[Ambassadors] The weekly ambassador meetings
Sudheer Satyanarayana
sudheer.s at binaryvibes.co.in
Sun Nov 4 05:38:40 UTC 2007
Claus Reheis wrote:
> Thanks for the quick answer!
>
>
>
> On Tue, 2007-10-30 at 13:20 -0400, francescougolini at aol.it wrote:
>
>> Actually only Fedora has its Ambassadoring project, yeah, the other
>> ones use to roganize events etc... without having a specific project.
>>
>>
>>
>> As i know the following project use those systems:
>>
>>
>> - Ubuntu: there is an internet form where everybody can ask for CDs
>> (for events more than 1)
>>
>>
>> - Gnome: there is (only for Gnome contributors) a box that you can
>> request for a specific event and then give them back.
>>
>>
>> Generally people send email to pojects' leaders, local contributors
>> etc...
>>
>>
>> This is what I know about the other project, probably someone in the
>> list will know more solutions.
>>
>>
>> Regards
>>
>>
>> Francesco Ugolini
>>
>
> There must be a way beside IRC and Mailing-lists where people can
> contribute their ideas and questions independent from time and location!
> In my opinion a forum style board would be something to think about!
> There I can just log in, look whats going on, see what is needed and
> contribute when I have time to do it!
>
I totally agree with you. I have never been able to catch up with folks
here because of the my work schedules. By the time I see something
interesting on the mailing list, the topic would old already. Joining
the meetings on IRC is also quite difficult for me. Message boards is
the way to go.
>
> Claus
>
>
>
>> -----Messaggio originario-----
>> Da: Claus Reheis <polytropolis at gmail.com>
>> A: fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com
>> Inviati: Mar 30 Ott 2007 18:03
>> Oggetto: Re: R: R: [Ambassadors] The weekly ambassador meetings
>>
>> Hi!
>>
>> Are there similar projects like the Fedora Ambassadors in other
>> distributions? (OpenSuse, Ubuntu...)
>> How do they handle the communication?
>> Maybe we should take a look how things are done there!
>>
>> Greetings,
>> Claus
>>
>> On Tue, 2007-10-30 at 11:46 -0400, francescougolini at aol.it wrote:
>>
>>> First of all i never proposed to fire people (i hope someone has
>>> understood this thing) and it wouldn't a proposal but a topic to start
>>> a serious discussion over the future of the project. I don't know
>>> where you have read the word "fire", "trown out" etc.... but as you
>>> know i want to help people not to create problems and frustrations or
>>> to force people doing something: I never thought to remove people
>>> from the project.
>>>
>>>
>>> And, please, stop this past (closed) discussion (see the Thomas
>>> Chung's Message to M-L for more information).
>>>
>> I am happy to do so!
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I think the IRC weekly meetings are one of the place you can
>>> communicate with Ambassadors, but there are a lot of other tools like
>>> M-L and Ambassadors' EMAIL (in many ambassadors' wikis).
>>>
>>>
>>> As happened for the last Italian Linux Day many contributors, that
>>> weren't ambassadors, ask me for CDs. DVDs and similar stuffs, and
>>> personally i've tried to complete all the request.
>>>
>>>
>>> I f you need help you may contact one of you country's ambassador
>>> asking him to help you not only asking him materials but what you
>>> want. At the end we are here to do those things.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Hoping i've answered (completely) to your questions and staying
>>> avaiable for any other ones
>>>
>>>
>>> Francesco Ugolini
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Messaggio originario-----
>>> Da: Claus Reheis <polytropolis at gmail.com>
>>> A: fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com
>>> Inviati: Mar 30 Ott 2007 14:21
>>> Oggetto: Re: R: [Ambassadors] The weekly ambassador meetings
>>>
>>> Dear Francesco Ugolini!
>>>
>>> In the year 2006 was a small Linux Day in Tirol/Austria!
>>> Because I am am big fan of the Fedora distribution and the lack of
>>> any Fedora presence on that event, I thought about doing some
>>> advertisement for the Fedora Project!
>>> There was no way to get some nice Fedora stuff, without joining the
>>> Fedora Ambassador Project!
>>> So I did that and I do not regret it.
>>>
>>>
>>> But the meetings are at times, very hard for me to attend!
>>> I work in a hotel and at (14:00 UTC) 16:00 I have to work all the time.
>>> Sure I have a day off, but that day changes every season.
>>> The meetings at (22:00 UTC) 0:00 are very late, especially when you have
>>> to get up early...
>>>
>>> I am sure there are also other people in my situation!
>>> We have our lives, our obligations, our work and our families!
>>> So why do we not think about a way to communicate where people can
>>> attend when and if they want?
>>> A Ambassador forum where we communicate via threads independent from
>>> time,location and situation!
>>>
>>> If there are IRC meetings every month, and the meetings are hold on
>>> times I can attend, I will attend.
>>>
>>> And your proposal in the past to fire people from the Ambassador
>>> project, is imho just unconscionable.
>>>
>>> There are people like me, not involved in IT, wo have to work for their
>>> life, their family, attend their friends and little rest of the time
>>> to their hobbies!Maybe one of this hobby is Linux/Fedora.
>>> So if they advertise Fedora to everyone who is interested in Linux,
>>> talk about it and even go to local events and represent the Fedora
>>> Project, imho that is enought to be an ambassador!
>>>
>>> I am one of this kind and if you wish to fire someone, start with me.
>>>
>>> Claus Reheis
>>>
>>> On Tue, 2007-10-30 at 06:09 -0400, francescougolini at aol.it wrote:
>>>
>>>> Nobody was trow out: we had a discussion and people said clearly they
>>>> disagree completely with this proposal.
>>>>
>>>> So i think it couldn't really help the project trying to speculate
>>>> using obsolete arguments: we have just to do what you want (freely) to
>>>> do.
>>>>
>>>> Yes, yo may disagree with my idea, but i'm not an imperor (i'm an
>>>> ambassador like you), i've just prosed some (costructive) discussions
>>>> and, as you have seen, a lot of people join those ones and take their
>>>> position (and they won).
>>>>
>>>> Another point. We don't want to make comparison between ambassadors,
>>>> countries etc...: this isn't the right place and we know each person
>>>> has different possibilities.
>>>>
>>>> So, I hope you will think about those words.
>>>>
>>>> We haven't fire anybody, we don't want to give a prize for the most
>>>> active ambassadors' Country but we want people who are not angried,
>>>> unsatisfied or just disappointed.
>>>>
>>>> Best regards
>>>>
>>>> Francesco Ugolini
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Messaggio originario-----
>>>> Da: Robert 'Bob' Jensen <marketing-list at fedoralinks.org>
>>>> A: fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com
>>>> Inviati: Lun 29 Ott 2007 18:25
>>>> Oggetto: Re: [Ambassadors] The weekly ambassador meetings
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Fabian Affolter wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>
>>>>> It's a long time ago...exactly during the presentation during the FAD
>>>>>
>>>> at
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Berlin I showed a slide (Page 7) [1]. This slide contains an
>>>>>
>>>> overview
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> of some weekly meetings. After a short discussion about why are
>>>>>
>>>> there
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> always a lot of European ambassadors at both time (FYI 22:00 UTC is
>>>>>
>>>>> midnight in western europe). Someone suggested to split the
>>>>>
>>>> meetings.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> An European meeting at a pleasant moment...but now we can't split due
>>>>>
>>>> to
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> lack of attendance.
>>>>>
>>>>> Since LinuxTag there were 18 meetings. 14 were canceled!
>>>>>
>>>>> Do we still need weekly meetings? Is it an overkill? Is it just a
>>>>>
>>>>> waste of time? Today for me it was just wasting time. Three people
>>>>>
>>>>> showed up.
>>>>>
>>>>> Are the reasons...
>>>>>
>>>>> - I don't care what the other ambassadors do.
>>>>>
>>>>> - We have nothing to discuss. I don't know what to tell.
>>>>>
>>>>> - South America is far away, I'm not interested in stuff from there.
>>>>>
>>>>> - I have other stuff to do and can't take 30 min off.
>>>>>
>>>>> - I live in the wrong time zone.
>>>>>
>>>>> I guess that there is no more any need for exchanging information
>>>>>
>>>>> between the ambassadors about events and how stuff can be done
>>>>>
>>>> because
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> everybody have enough experience to handle it.
>>>>>
>>>>> On the Join page [2] of the Ambassadors Project...
>>>>>
>>>>> Step 1. Participate in weekly meetings
>>>>>
>>>>> Perhaps it would be a good idea to remove that step. No meeting, no
>>>>>
>>>>> possibility for a participation...FAMSco, this could be a topic for
>>>>>
>>>> your
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> next meeting. For your half-yearly meeting ;-)
>>>>>
>>>>> Just my thoughts...
>>>>>
>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>
>>>>> Fabian
>>>>>
>>>>> [1] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FAD/FADLinuxTag2007
>>>>>
>>>>> [2] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/Join
>>>>>
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>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Personally I quit giving a crap about the ambassadors project and
>>>> meetings when there was talk about throwing people out, creating a good
>>>> ole boys club. As it appears this happened anyhow, only people were
>>>> not
>>>> thrown out they were just alienated. There are no events in my area of
>>>> the US and quite honestly I do not have the resources to create one or
>>>> travel more than an hour by car to get to one. The heavy activity of
>>>> European Ambassadors does not help many of us in the US and perhaps
>>>> other parts of the world because of cultural differences. It seams
>>>> that
>>>> the EU Ambassadors have no trouble traveling and taking time off of
>>>> work
>>>> to do something for the project, I on the other hand have a family to
>>>> feed and a business to take care of.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Robert 'Bob' Jensen
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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