From fcrippa at byte-code.com Mon Oct 1 09:25:16 2007 From: fcrippa at byte-code.com (Francesco Crippa) Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2007 11:25:16 +0200 (CEST) Subject: R: [Ambassadors] Linux Day in Italy In-Reply-To: <1191153651.3353.11.camel@nirvana.limasoftware.net> References: <46443.62.189.160.33.1190737269.squirrel@mail.byte-code.com> <8C9CDC1B99ABC1D-F6C-5BD@WEBMAIL-MA18.sysops.aol.com> <1191153651.3353.11.camel@nirvana.limasoftware.net> Message-ID: <32870.213.45.176.21.1191230716.squirrel@mail.byte-code.com> >> [...] > I'll be in fedora-mkgt today around 18.00 (CET) (infact I'm there > already logged but I'm going away for a couple of hours), if we want to > talk about it, I was thinking that a live meeting with other lugs would > be nice to have, if we can set up something that would be great! > [...] Hi Mario, I'm sorry, but I've read this mail only now (yesterday I was in flight...) Have you scheduled another meetings? You can find me in #fedora-meeting and #fedora-mktg (nick "fcrippa"). See you soon bye Francesco -- -------------------------------------------- Dott. Francesco Crippa Solutions Architect Byte-Code srl via Cechov, 1 20098 - San Giuliano Milanese (MI) tel. +39 02 9840047 fax. +39 02 98247475 cel. +39 328 3561528 fcrippa at byte-code.com From neugens at limasoftware.net Mon Oct 1 11:44:08 2007 From: neugens at limasoftware.net (Mario Torre) Date: Mon, 01 Oct 2007 13:44:08 +0200 Subject: [Ambassadors] Linux Day in Italy In-Reply-To: <32870.213.45.176.21.1191230716.squirrel@mail.byte-code.com> References: <46443.62.189.160.33.1190737269.squirrel@mail.byte-code.com> <8C9CDC1B99ABC1D-F6C-5BD@WEBMAIL-MA18.sysops.aol.com> <1191153651.3353.11.camel@nirvana.limasoftware.net> <32870.213.45.176.21.1191230716.squirrel@mail.byte-code.com> Message-ID: <1191239048.3432.4.camel@nirvana.limasoftware.net> Il giorno lun, 01/10/2007 alle 11.25 +0200, Francesco Crippa ha scritto: > >> [...] > > I'll be in fedora-mkgt today around 18.00 (CET) (infact I'm there > > already logged but I'm going away for a couple of hours), if we want to > > talk about it, I was thinking that a live meeting with other lugs would > > be nice to have, if we can set up something that would be great! > > [...] > > Hi Mario, > > I'm sorry, but I've read this mail only now (yesterday I was in flight...) > > Have you scheduled another meetings? You can find me in #fedora-meeting > and #fedora-mktg (nick "fcrippa"). > > See you soon > bye > > Francesco Hi Francesco, no worries. I think today around 9.00pm I'll be a bit on the channel, but I'll be out in the next 3, 4 days (I'll be in Torino to see Police live!! yeah :). Anyway, I'm always there (nick neugens), so no problems, if you find me, just ping. We could schedule a real meeting so that all the interested ambassadors could join by the end of this week, say on friday, around 18.00 pm CET? 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Regards Francesco Ugolini From francescougolini at aol.it Mon Oct 1 12:32:57 2007 From: francescougolini at aol.it (francescougolini at aol.it) Date: Mon, 01 Oct 2007 14:32:57 +0200 Subject: [Ambassadors] Linux Day in Italy In-Reply-To: <1191239048.3432.4.camel@nirvana.limasoftware.net> References: <46443.62.189.160.33.1190737269.squirrel@mail.byte-code.com> <8C9CDC1B99ABC1D-F6C-5BD@WEBMAIL-MA18.sysops.aol.com> <1191153651.3353.11.camel@nirvana.limasoftware.net> <32870.213.45.176.21.1191230716.squirrel@mail.byte-code.com> <1191239048.3432.4.camel@nirvana.limasoftware.net> Message-ID: <4700E8F9.9020900@aol.it> Mario Torre ha scritto: > Il giorno lun, 01/10/2007 alle 11.25 +0200, Francesco Crippa ha scritto: > >>>> [...] >>>> >>> I'll be in fedora-mkgt today around 18.00 (CET) (infact I'm there >>> already logged but I'm going away for a couple of hours), if we want to >>> talk about it, I was thinking that a live meeting with other lugs would >>> be nice to have, if we can set up something that would be great! >>> [...] >>> >> Hi Mario, >> >> I'm sorry, but I've read this mail only now (yesterday I was in flight...) >> >> Have you scheduled another meetings? You can find me in #fedora-meeting >> and #fedora-mktg (nick "fcrippa"). >> >> See you soon >> bye >> >> Francesco >> > > Hi Francesco, no worries. > > I think today around 9.00pm I'll be a bit on the channel, but I'll be > out in the next 3, 4 days (I'll be in Torino to see Police live!! > yeah :). Anyway, I'm always there (nick neugens), so no problems, if you > find me, just ping. > > We could schedule a real meeting so that all the interested ambassadors > could join by the end of this week, say on friday, around 18.00 pm CET? > > Let me know, > Mario > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > Ah, i forgot! I have 6 Fedora posters taken at LinuxTag Berlin, i may also send some of those Regards Francesco Ugolini From thinklinux.ssh at gmail.com Thu Oct 4 12:09:06 2007 From: thinklinux.ssh at gmail.com (susmit shannigrahi) Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2007 17:39:06 +0530 Subject: [Ambassadors] Announcing first (unofficial) public fedora mirror, India. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi *, WBUT (http://wbut.net) is glad to announce the opening up of their private Fedora mirror for public use. Probably, this is the first Public fedora mirror in India.(At least I am not aware of any other.) Though due to bandwidth constrain we are not considering ourself to be listed as a official mirror, we may be so in near future. It follows the standard directory structure and only mirror i386 and x86_64. Also we don't mirror srpms. The url is http://mirror.wbut.ac.in Happy downloading. -- Regards, Susmit. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ssh 0x86DD170A http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/SusmitShannigrahi -- Regards, Susmit. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ssh 0x86DD170A http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/SusmitShannigrahi From mrtom at fedoraproject.org Sun Oct 7 09:41:35 2007 From: mrtom at fedoraproject.org (Thomas Canniot) Date: Sun, 7 Oct 2007 11:41:35 +0200 Subject: [Ambassadors] REMINDER French Meeting today 1830 #fedora-meeting Message-ID: <20071007114135.7a3fa5d1@agnetha.mrtomlinux> This mail is a reminder for today?s meeting for French ambassadors and _every_ interested people. 2007-10-07 / 18:30 UTC IRC: freenode #fedora-meeting Ce mail est un rappel pour la r?union des ambassadeurs francophones, qui aura lieu ce dimanche (07 oct.) ? 20h30 heure de Paris sur IRC (freenode) #fedora-meeting . 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Regards Siddharth On 10/8/07, Mehul Patel wrote: > Hi Siddharth, > > I will be moving to Pune and will be able to burn atleast 1 DVD to start > with starting next week (15 Oct onwards). > > Would you please send me Fedora core 7 to following address? > > Mehul Patel > 508 Carnation, A wing, > Raheja Garden, > Wanavari, Pune 411040 > > > Thanks, > Mehul > > On 7/25/07, Siddharth Upmanyu < siddharth at techbugs.org> wrote: > > On 7/25/07, Mehul Patel < mgpatel at gmail.com> wrote: > > > Hi Siddharth, > > > > > > I would like to help here. I am not sure how. I am located at Ahmedabad. > > > > > > Thanks > > > Mehul > > > > > > > > > On 7/25/07, Siddharth Upmanyu < siddharth at techbugs.org> wrote: > > > > > > > > With 5 more from RamamurthyShiroor and 5 from Sushmit we have just > > > > left with 13 more for this month... > > > > if we can have some more volunteers who can take up even 1 disc that > > > > can really help.. > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > Siddharth > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > > > > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > > > > > > > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > > > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > > > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > > > > > > > > Well Mehul if you can burn and ship one DVD i can send u the address... > > > > Siddharth > > > > -- > > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > > > > > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > > From mrtom at fedoraproject.org Sun Oct 14 08:40:21 2007 From: mrtom at fedoraproject.org (Thomas Canniot) Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2007 10:40:21 +0200 Subject: [Ambassadors] REMINDER French Meeting today 1830 #fedora-meeting Message-ID: <20071014104021.4be5b5f5@mrtomlinux.org> This mail is a reminder for today?s meeting for French ambassadors and _every_ interested people. 2007-10-14 / 18:30 UTC IRC: freenode #fedora-meeting Ce mail est un rappel pour la r?union des ambassadeurs francophones, qui aura lieu ce dimanche (14 oct.) ? 20h30 heure de Paris sur IRC (freenode) #fedora-meeting . L'ordre du jour est disponible depuis cette page : http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/FrenchTeam/Reunions N'h?sitez pas ? la modifier pour rajouter des sujets qui vous semblent int?ressants. Thomas Canniot From jnanney at mscoast.com Tue Oct 16 05:28:45 2007 From: jnanney at mscoast.com (Jim Nanney) Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2007 00:28:45 -0500 Subject: [Ambassadors] Recent Activities to Report In-Reply-To: <20071014104021.4be5b5f5@mrtomlinux.org> References: <20071014104021.4be5b5f5@mrtomlinux.org> Message-ID: <47144C0D.5040908@mscoast.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 All, I have not been to many IRC meetings since the big discussion about active/inactive ambassadors, but I thought it appropriate to post about the activities of the past week. Last Friday, Chris Negus (of Fedora Linux Bible 6, 7, Linux Toys, Linux Toys 2, fame, and many, many more) interviewed me about my company and my use of open source and in particular Fedora for my small business. Expected press date of the book is in January of 2008. It was a pleasure to talk to him about the usefulness of completely "Free" software to a small business and home based businesses. And in "Free" I am more describing the unencumbered software, free of patent issues, free of vendor lock-in, and of course free to modify and distribute. I spoke about the need for more small businesses to realize the huge benefits of free software at length with him. I was told a complete section would be devoted to use cases and a couple of pages specifically about my business and its open source only devotion. Small business really is an overlooked aspect from my point of view and this needs more attention. The average startup company must spend a minimum of $5000 in just software to get a small business running. And in this initial purchase, a small business locks themselves into single vendor, proprietary solutions, that would require hundreds of man hours of work to change to an Open Source solution. Truly a small business can save lots of money using free software, not only in cost of the software, but in cost of not being locked to a single vendor. This is information that *needs* to be available to those about to start a business, so that they can make an informed decision about what is best for their company. This may only be my personal perception, but it seems lots of focus and attention is spent on showcasing large business benefiting from the switch to open source, but truly small business can benefit more percentage wise from making that decision upfront. The latter of which does not seem to to be highlighted in articles or media. As for other Ambassador activities, this evening I hosted the South Mississippi Linux Users Group meeting and gave a presentation on using graphics packages under Fedora (specifically the Gimp and Inkscape) to create web graphics, and distributed around 10 DVDs and Live CDs to members. While probably not a big thing to most of you, our LUG membership has dwindled to meetings of 2 or 3 people on some occasions. Tonight was the largest LUG meeting we've seen since pre Katrina days. Thanks for reading my ramblings and I hope the meat of what I am saying makes sense, - --Jim -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFHFEwN3GRPSy3vDJMRAtSFAJwOAtXaficrTixnUBKNj+3KlYqiwACfSBZR cFrtPxcja+v2O6LsgO5Ws1c= =T9w4 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From jmbabich at gmail.com Tue Oct 16 06:34:07 2007 From: jmbabich at gmail.com (John Babich) Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2007 09:34:07 +0300 Subject: [Ambassadors] Recent Activities to Report In-Reply-To: <47144C0D.5040908@mscoast.com> References: <20071014104021.4be5b5f5@mrtomlinux.org> <47144C0D.5040908@mscoast.com> Message-ID: <9d2c731f0710152334x23db5b46k71b44f2efebd4d5c@mail.gmail.com> On 10/16/07, Jim Nanney wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > All, > > I have not been to many IRC meetings since the big discussion about > active/inactive ambassadors, but I thought it appropriate to post about > the activities of the past week. > > Last Friday, Chris Negus (of Fedora Linux Bible 6, 7, Linux Toys, Linux > Toys 2, fame, and many, many more) interviewed me about my company and > my use of open source and in particular Fedora for my small business. > Expected press date of the book is in January of 2008. It was a > pleasure to talk to him about the usefulness of completely "Free" > software to a small business and home based businesses. And in "Free" I > am more describing the unencumbered software, free of patent issues, > free of vendor lock-in, and of course free to modify and distribute. I > spoke about the need for more small businesses to realize the huge > benefits of free software at length with him. I was told a complete > section would be devoted to use cases and a couple of pages specifically > about my business and its open source only devotion. > Congratulations on getting the message out and for the publicity for your work. > Small business really is an overlooked aspect from my point of view and > this needs more attention. The average startup company must spend a > minimum of $5000 in just software to get a small business running. And > in this initial purchase, a small business locks themselves into single > vendor, proprietary solutions, that would require hundreds of man hours > of work to change to an Open Source solution. > Having run a one-man consultng firm (pre-FOSS), I made similar mistakes. The big proprietary software companies are now targeting SMBs (Small and Medium Businesses) to get them locked-in early. We certainly need to publicize the free (as in libre and gratis) choices that FOSS provides. I especially would like non-profits and charities to spend less money on software and more on the people whom they are trting to help. > Truly a small business can save lots of money using free software, not > only in cost of the software, but in cost of not being locked to a > single vendor. This is information that *needs* to be available to > those about to start a business, so that they can make an informed > decision about what is best for their company. > +1 > This may only be my personal perception, but it seems lots of focus and > attention is spent on showcasing large business benefiting from the > switch to open source, but truly small business can benefit more > percentage wise from making that decision upfront. The latter of which > does not seem to to be highlighted in articles or media. > Agreed. I'll definitely promote it in my blog and encourage others to do the same. > As for other Ambassador activities, this evening I hosted the South > Mississippi Linux Users Group meeting and gave a presentation on using > graphics packages under Fedora (specifically the Gimp and Inkscape) to > create web graphics, and distributed around 10 DVDs and Live CDs to > members. While probably not a big thing to most of you, our LUG > membership has dwindled to meetings of 2 or 3 people on some occasions. > Tonight was the largest LUG meeting we've seen since pre Katrina days. > Being involved in user groups in the past, this is great to see your LUG have a good turnout and get the message out. The beauty of FOSS is that there are "no little people". Every person matters. > Thanks for reading my ramblings and I hope the meat of what I am saying > makes sense, Thanks for sharing them. John Babich Fedora Ambassador From tchung at fedoraproject.org Tue Oct 16 16:30:45 2007 From: tchung at fedoraproject.org (Thomas Chung) Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2007 09:30:45 -0700 Subject: [Ambassadors] Re: Summary: GNU/Linux event in Bangalore, India hosted by ITPF In-Reply-To: <47148EC1.20307@binaryvibes.co.in> References: <47148EC1.20307@binaryvibes.co.in> Message-ID: <369bce3b0710160930k3fd71315tfeec9c5e9b5f3b5f@mail.gmail.com> On 10/16/07, Sudheer Satyanarayana wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Hello, > > ITPF India, hosted a GNU/Linux seminar on 14 October, 2007 at their > premises in Indiranagar, Bangalore, India. I was requested to talk on > GNU/Linux for couple of hours. The participants of the seminar were > mostly young IT professionals wanting to learn about GNU/Linux. We > distributed Fedora 7 DVD to all the 15 participants free of cost. > > I talked about free and open source software, GNU/Linux, Fedora and > also demonstrated few desktop applications. The session was > interactive and the participants asked technical questions mostly > related to desktop applications. I told about the great Fedora > community and how they could join the Fedora project. All of them are > very likely to switch to free and open source software. > > ITPF India - http://www.itpfindia.org > > - -- > With Warm Regards, > Sudheer. S > http://www.binaryvibes.co.in Thank you for your event report. Regards, -- Thomas Chung http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ThomasChung From tchung at fedoraproject.org Tue Oct 16 16:32:46 2007 From: tchung at fedoraproject.org (Thomas Chung) Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2007 09:32:46 -0700 Subject: [Ambassadors] Recent Activities to Report In-Reply-To: <47144C0D.5040908@mscoast.com> References: <20071014104021.4be5b5f5@mrtomlinux.org> <47144C0D.5040908@mscoast.com> Message-ID: <369bce3b0710160932t216d4176hdba49bff5ee62733@mail.gmail.com> On 10/15/07, Jim Nanney wrote: >... > As for other Ambassador activities, this evening I hosted the South > Mississippi Linux Users Group meeting and gave a presentation on using > graphics packages under Fedora (specifically the Gimp and Inkscape) to > create web graphics, and distributed around 10 DVDs and Live CDs to > members. While probably not a big thing to most of you, our LUG > membership has dwindled to meetings of 2 or 3 people on some occasions. > Tonight was the largest LUG meeting we've seen since pre Katrina days. > ... Thank you for your event report. Regards, -- Thomas Chung http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ThomasChung From webpath at fedoraproject.org Wed Oct 17 22:56:12 2007 From: webpath at fedoraproject.org (Karlie Robinson) Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2007 18:56:12 -0400 Subject: [Ambassadors] [Fwd: Fedora Project volunteering] Message-ID: <4716930C.4040709@fedoraproject.org> Anyone have a good place for a trial-by-fire volunteer looking to learn what Fedora and Linux are all about? If so, please contact Steven directly. Thanks, Karlie -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Fedora Project volunteering Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2007 10:06:48 -0700 (PDT) From: Steven Meralevitz To: webpath at fedoraproject.org Dear Karlie, I'm new to Fedora and figure that the best way to learn Fedora Linux is to dive in and ask how I could contribute. Reporting from Chicago, I'm an English major-turned-computer geek. By day I write DHTML-based software documentation for an online brokerage firm and also run their help desk. By night, I contribute at forums.egullet.org, a food-and-cooking website. Here's a piece I wrote on my favorite divey fried chicken joint; it's called Bulletproof Cuisine: http://forums.egullet.org/index.php?showtopic=83603&hl= Finally, I'm fluent in Spanish so I could help with international marketing of Fedora. I'm happy to write documentation and translate from GeekSpeak to everyday English, but I'd especially like to learn the nuts-and-bolts of Linux, so I'll contribute in whatever way you think would help. I look forward to joining the Fedora community and buying my very own Penguinista sweatshirt. Steven Meralevitz From nihed at fedoraproject.org Wed Oct 17 22:28:58 2007 From: nihed at fedoraproject.org (nihed mbarek) Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2007 00:28:58 +0200 Subject: [Ambassadors] Arabic live cd Message-ID: <5bddd8fd0710171528x3c1debebl6cc299923c74c77a@mail.gmail.com> Hi, It's a pleasure for me to present for you my first arabic live cd. It work very well and i will distribute it in SFD 2007 Tunisia Thanxs fedora :) -- M'BAREK Med Nihed, Fedora Ambassador, TUNISIA, Northern Africa -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From himam at fedoraproject.org Thu Oct 18 17:50:38 2007 From: himam at fedoraproject.org (Hisham Abdel-Magid) Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2007 20:50:38 +0300 Subject: [Ambassadors] Arabic live cd In-Reply-To: <11204d710710180653h56bc671arecc0beae44291294@mail.gmail.com> References: <5bddd8fd0710171528x3c1debebl6cc299923c74c77a@mail.gmail.com> <11204d710710180653h56bc671arecc0beae44291294@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <59e007ed0710181050o7c29e7f7j7bd530c628dba166@mail.gmail.com> NIce work nihed +1 BTW, if u need any help with future translation to Arabic i will be more than glad to help :) HishamAbdelMagid On 10/18/07, Wael AMMAR wrote: > > +1 > > 2007/10/18, nihed mbarek : > > > > Hi, > > It's a pleasure for me to present for you my first arabic live cd. > > It work very well and i will distribute it in SFD 2007 Tunisia > > > > Thanxs fedora :) > > > > > > > > > > -- > > M'BAREK Med Nihed, > > Fedora Ambassador, TUNISIA, Northern Africa > > -- > > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > > > > > > > > > -- > Wael Ammar (TheCyberXP) > Tunisian Fedora Ambassador > Vice President Club FreeWays > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > > -- Eng. Hisham Isam M. Abdel-Magid Fedora Ambassador in Sudan, Dept. of Shelter & Physical Development (DSPD) Institute for Technological Research (ITR) National Center for Research (NCR) Ministry of Science and Technology (MOST) P.O.Box 2404 Khartoum Sudan Mobile: +249 122 007 122 E.mail: himam at fedoraproject.org wiki: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/HishamAbdelMagid -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Rodrigo Padula www.projetofedora.org nihed mbarek escreveu: > I also create a gnome version :) > > 2007/10/17, Rodrigo Padula de Oliveira >: > > Good Job! > > nihed mbarek escreveu: > > Hi, > > It's a pleasure for me to present for you my first arabic live cd. > > It work very well and i will distribute it in SFD 2007 Tunisia > > > > Thanxs fedora :) > > > > > > > > > > -- > > M'BAREK Med Nihed, > > Fedora Ambassador, TUNISIA, Northern Africa > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > -- > > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > > > > > -- > M'BAREK Med Nihed, > Fedora Ambassador, TUNISIA, Northern Africa > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list From nihed at fedoraproject.org Thu Oct 18 20:27:49 2007 From: nihed at fedoraproject.org (nihed mbarek) Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2007 22:27:49 +0200 Subject: [Ambassadors] Arabic live cd In-Reply-To: <47167D76.8050203@projetofedora.org> References: <5bddd8fd0710171528x3c1debebl6cc299923c74c77a@mail.gmail.com> <47167543.2060802@projetofedora.org> <5bddd8fd0710181254t684ea4e6i183cabe0aa69d91b@mail.gmail.com> <47167D76.8050203@projetofedora.org> Message-ID: <5bddd8fd0710181327y41949c58s59aadc5686f8c92b@mail.gmail.com> no, I use livecd-creator 2007/10/17, Rodrigo Padula de Oliveira : > > Are you using REVISOR ? > > The Brazilian Project will create a kde version in Brazilia Portuguese! > > Rodrigo Padula > www.projetofedora.org > > nihed mbarek escreveu: > > I also create a gnome version :) > > > > 2007/10/17, Rodrigo Padula de Oliveira > >: > > > > Good Job! > > > > nihed mbarek escreveu: > > > Hi, > > > It's a pleasure for me to present for you my first arabic live cd. > > > It work very well and i will distribute it in SFD 2007 Tunisia > > > > > > Thanxs fedora :) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > M'BAREK Med Nihed, > > > Fedora Ambassador, TUNISIA, Northern Africa > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > > > -- > > > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > > > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > > > > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > > > > -- > > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > > > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > > > > > > > > > > -- > > M'BAREK Med Nihed, > > Fedora Ambassador, TUNISIA, Northern Africa > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > -- > > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > -- M'BAREK Med Nihed, Fedora Ambassador, TUNISIA, Northern Africa -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jmbabich at gmail.com Thu Oct 18 20:37:32 2007 From: jmbabich at gmail.com (John Babich) Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2007 23:37:32 +0300 Subject: [Ambassadors] Arabic live cd In-Reply-To: <47167D76.8050203@projetofedora.org> References: <5bddd8fd0710171528x3c1debebl6cc299923c74c77a@mail.gmail.com> <47167543.2060802@projetofedora.org> <5bddd8fd0710181254t684ea4e6i183cabe0aa69d91b@mail.gmail.com> <47167D76.8050203@projetofedora.org> Message-ID: <9d2c731f0710181337i4b74a0a1i44bdcf1c81f59690@mail.gmail.com> Nihed: Mabruk! Congratulations! You should consider posting it as one of the Fedora spins. See http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/CustomSpins. John Babich Fedora Ambassador From adityaksharma at gmail.com Fri Oct 19 04:26:00 2007 From: adityaksharma at gmail.com (aDiTyA ShArMa) Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2007 09:56:00 +0530 Subject: [Ambassadors] Arabic live cd In-Reply-To: <9d2c731f0710181337i4b74a0a1i44bdcf1c81f59690@mail.gmail.com> References: <5bddd8fd0710171528x3c1debebl6cc299923c74c77a@mail.gmail.com> <47167543.2060802@projetofedora.org> <5bddd8fd0710181254t684ea4e6i183cabe0aa69d91b@mail.gmail.com> <47167D76.8050203@projetofedora.org> <9d2c731f0710181337i4b74a0a1i44bdcf1c81f59690@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <3c766be00710182126gf345208j7879b520e966b59e@mail.gmail.com> nice work +1 On 10/19/07, John Babich wrote: > > Nihed: > > Mabruk! > > Congratulations! > > You should consider posting it as one of the Fedora spins. > > See http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/CustomSpins. > > John Babich > Fedora Ambassador > > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > -- aDiTyA sHaRmA Fedora Ambassador (Noida , India.) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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On 10/19/07, aDiTyA ShArMa wrote: > > nice work +1 > > > > On 10/19/07, John Babich wrote: > > > > Nihed: > > > > Mabruk! > > > > Congratulations! > > > > You should consider posting it as one of the Fedora spins. > > > > See http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/CustomSpins. > > > > John Babich > > Fedora Ambassador > > > > -- > > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > > > > > > -- > aDiTyA sHaRmA > Fedora Ambassador (Noida , India.) > > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > > -- "Perfectionists never proclaim they are one , So do I" With Regards, Adarsh B Voice: (+62) 815 73202526 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Maybe just announce it here and we may help you get it to the right people? > > Thanks in advance for your great help. > > BR > Frederic Hornain > Fedora Linux Belgium > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FredericHornain Again, nice to see you're still here Bart -- Bart key fingerprint: 6AAB 544D 3432 D013 776D 3602 ADB6 6B2A D93F 0F93 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Have a look, it 's worth it URL : www.magentocommerce.com GNS3 : GNS3 is a graphical network simulator that allows you to design complex network topologies and to launch simulations on them. Excellent for Network cisco administrator. URL : http://www.gns3.net/ Have fun with FOSS ! Kind Regards Frederic Hornain Fedora Linux Belgium http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FredericHornain On 10/19/07, Bart Couvreur wrote: > > Op vrijdag 19-10-2007 om 10:33 uur [tijdzone +0200], schreef Frederic > Hornain: > > Dear * > > Hi Frederic, > > good to see you still around. > > > > First of all, I know I was not quite active these last months on this > > forum. :( > > But I have good reasons for that. Big Open source production projects > > first ! > > Same counts for me. > > > > So, I am available now. > > > > BTW, I have got one little question. > > If someone could help me to give me answer I would really appreciate. > > > > So, to who have I to suggest new interesting open source project in > > the fedora community ? > > It really depends what project it actually is. Maybe just announce it > here and we may help you get it to the right people? > > > > Thanks in advance for your great help. > > > > BR > > Frederic Hornain > > Fedora Linux Belgium > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FredericHornain > > Again, nice to see you're still here > > Bart > > -- > Bart > key fingerprint: 6AAB 544D 3432 D013 776D 3602 ADB6 6B2A D93F 0F93 > > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > > > -- ----------------------------------------------------- Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com Olpc mailing list olpc-open at laptop.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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More informations: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FedoraEvents/LATINOWARE Rodrigo Padula Brazilian Fedora Project http://www.projetofedora.org From ml at deadbabylon.de Fri Oct 19 22:26:36 2007 From: ml at deadbabylon.de (Sebastian Vahl) Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2007 00:26:36 +0200 Subject: [Ambassadors] Arabic live cd In-Reply-To: <47167D76.8050203@projetofedora.org> References: <5bddd8fd0710171528x3c1debebl6cc299923c74c77a@mail.gmail.com> <5bddd8fd0710181254t684ea4e6i183cabe0aa69d91b@mail.gmail.com> <47167D76.8050203@projetofedora.org> Message-ID: <200710200026.41578.ml@deadbabylon.de> Am Mi 17.Oktober 2007 schrieb Rodrigo Padula de Oliveira: > Are you using REVISOR ? > > The Brazilian Project will create a kde version in Brazilia Portuguese! Could you send me your config, please? I'm atm thinking about the best way to write a howto for customizing the kde live images (using livecd-creator). Sebastian -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From nihed at fedoraproject.org Sat Oct 20 04:50:47 2007 From: nihed at fedoraproject.org (nihed mbarek) Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2007 06:50:47 +0200 Subject: [Ambassadors] Arabic live cd In-Reply-To: <200710200026.41578.ml@deadbabylon.de> References: <5bddd8fd0710171528x3c1debebl6cc299923c74c77a@mail.gmail.com> <5bddd8fd0710181254t684ea4e6i183cabe0aa69d91b@mail.gmail.com> <47167D76.8050203@projetofedora.org> <200710200026.41578.ml@deadbabylon.de> Message-ID: <5bddd8fd0710192150va2395d7q3fc40260d0eee057@mail.gmail.com> My cpu is out of service now and my computer at costumer service, so when i will receive it (working) i will send you all that i made :) I'm so sorry 2007/10/20, Sebastian Vahl : > > Am Mi 17.Oktober 2007 schrieb Rodrigo Padula de Oliveira: > > Are you using REVISOR ? > > > > The Brazilian Project will create a kde version in Brazilia Portuguese! > > Could you send me your config, please? > I'm atm thinking about the best way to write a howto for customizing the > kde > live images (using livecd-creator). > > Sebastian > > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > > > -- M'BAREK Med Nihed, Fedora Ambassador, TUNISIA, Northern Africa -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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There were different categories of visitors: complete newbies who wanted to know "what's the difference between Fedora and Ubuntu", Linux users, few professionals etc. JDLL 2007 hosted stand from Mozilla Europe, GNOME-fr, PostgreSQL, OpenOffice.org, APRIL (French Free Software lobby group which federates many associations), Framasoft, traduc.org (French French Software translator group who host many translation project), LinuxChixFrance, etc.. Some companies were represented: Linagora, OpenSide, Kisoh (TuxDroids), Alinto, C-S etc... We had conferences about GNOME (V. Untz), Firefox 3 (Tristan Nitot, Mozilla Europe CEO) and XUL (Paul Rouget, Mozilla E.), DRMs (Sam Hocevar, Debian Project Leader and VLC developer),OpenSolaris (It rocks !), Free (as in speech) Music, Accessibility and free software, OpenOffice, Blender, RoR, Electronic voting etc.. etc .... Our communication focused more on FedoraProject and our community experience than Fedora Linux (the distro). Many people don't understand the difference between RedHat and FedoraProject and how our community works. People were quite impressed by system-config-tools, livecd-tools + revisor. Smolt and statistic project was also on the spot (2.2 millions FC6 installation, 1.7 millions for F7). People liked Rawhide's sober and clean artwork. Rawhide's animated wallpaper was a big hit ! Fedora Artwork team, you rocks guys ! Focusing our speech on the community and our philosophy (working upstream and leading innovation) has allowed us to catch the attention. People appreciated FedoraProject contribution to system-config-printer (which has been integrated in the latest Ubuntu), PackageKit, NetworkManager, selinux, AIGLX etc... We distributed few F7 live-cds we previously burnt, some will give a(nother) try to Fedora. We also spent some time presenting our new local association Fedora-FR. We had a special guest as Vincent Untz from GNOME fame who represented GNOME-fr. Llaumgui and I managed to have a lightning talk presenting FedoraProject and Fedora-FR association. This was a premiere of FedoraProject and Fedora-FR in JDLL, we hope to return next year and spread Fedora ! From karlthered2 at gmail.com Sat Oct 20 18:43:11 2007 From: karlthered2 at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?H._Gu=E9mar?=) Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2007 20:43:11 +0200 Subject: [Ambassadors] Re: [JDLL 2007] Conclusion In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Oops, I forgot to thank the Lyon's LUG who organize yearly JDLL (Free Software Days) and gave us a stand: ALDIL. (http://www.aldil.org/) Thank you guys, keep up with your good work ! From mxcarron at fedoraproject.org Sun Oct 21 00:46:14 2007 From: mxcarron at fedoraproject.org (Maxime Carron) Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2007 02:46:14 +0200 Subject: [Ambassadors] Re: [JDLL 2007] Conclusion In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20071021024614.7e774729@lolita.maxca.org> Le Sat, 20 Oct 2007 20:43:11 +0200, "H. Gu?mar" a ?crit : > Oops, I forgot to thank the Lyon's LUG who organize yearly JDLL (Free > Software Days) and gave us a stand: ALDIL. (http://www.aldil.org/) > Thank you guys, keep up with your good work ! Thanks to every poeple involded in the event, especially HaikelGuemar (aka Red_karl) GuillaumeKulakowski (went from Montpellier aka LLaumgi), and BenoitMarcelin (aka Sereinity). We were 4 ambassadors. It's always hard to organise such event. A big thanks to ALDIL (Lyon -my town- LUG too). Hope to see more of us next time. It's was a big pleasure to meet the new Debian Project Leader - Yes, he is French - but he's a really good guy. As the main developer of vlc he present us issues about DRM. I enjoy to speak with him, and heard about his projects, and his view of freesoftware future. Tristan Nitot, Mozilla Europe was here. OOo, Ubuntu-fr, OpenSolaris, GnomeFr(I love you VUntz), Traduc.org (The team who federate french translation, offer translation standards, and en2fr dictionaries) was here too. Really, this was a great event, a really good atmosphere, and it's always the way to meet friends and well virtual known people. Next year, JDLL (Free SoftWare Days) celebretes the 10th organised event. Lyon is the 2nd town in France, and JDLL is one of the most important event of free software community, so we hope to see more Fedora VIP there. We know that France is a really far country, but sometimes -even if we doesn't speak the same language- it is sensible to see that Fedora isn't only an english speaking community. Lot's of pictures will be published, and i'll blog in english tomorow (it's too late today, i need to sleep). Thanks to you who give us faith in free software, thanks to ALDIL and all fedora people who spend time to organise such event. Maxime From mrtom at fedoraproject.org Sun Oct 21 08:59:47 2007 From: mrtom at fedoraproject.org (Thomas Canniot) Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2007 10:59:47 +0200 Subject: [Ambassadors] REMINDER French Meeting today 1830 #fedora-meeting Message-ID: <20071021105947.6ba6c6b1@agnetha.mrtomlinux> This mail is a reminder for today?s meeting for French ambassadors and _every_ interested people. 2007-10-21 / 18:30 UTC IRC: freenode #fedora-meeting Ce mail est un rappel pour la r?union des ambassadeurs francophones, qui aura lieu ce dimanche (21 oct.) ? 20h30 heure de Paris sur IRC (freenode) #fedora-meeting . L'ordre du jour est disponible depuis cette page : http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/FrenchTeam/Reunions N'h?sitez pas ? la modifier pour rajouter des sujets qui vous semblent int?ressants. Thomas Canniot -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Actually ambassadors who confirmed their presence are (in alphabetical order): - Francesco Crippa | LinuxDay Lodi : speech on Ruby; presentation and demo of a fedora installation. - Francesco Ugolini | LinuxDay Pistoia: presentation of Fedora 7 (a brief previw of Fedora 8), cd distribution | http://www.ptlug.org/wiki/LinuxDay2007 - Mario Torre | LinuxDay Avellino | http://www.irlug.it/pagina/linuxday2007 We have, moreover, a fedora contributor who will help us: - Alessandro Gardich | LinuxDay Padova For more information you may visit the official website: www.linuxday.it (you will also find the link to the LUGs' sites). Best regards Francesco Ugolini From mrtom at fedoraproject.org Sun Oct 21 17:14:46 2007 From: mrtom at fedoraproject.org (Thomas Canniot) Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2007 19:14:46 +0200 Subject: [Ambassadors] FAD EMEA (2007-11-23 - 2007-11-25) In-Reply-To: <1190742105.3493.1.camel@F7NB.homenet.local> References: <1189853069.3253.8.camel@F7NB.homenet.local> <46F42AD5.50902@fedoraproject.org> <1190742105.3493.1.camel@F7NB.homenet.local> Message-ID: <20071021191446.23c3d937@fedoraproject.org> Le Tue, 25 Sep 2007 19:41:45 +0200, Gerold Kassube a ?crit : > Thanks Fabian, ... > > and also thanks for the setup of the FAD-page again in the WIKI on > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FAD/FADEMEA2007 where all Attendees > should fill in their names :-) > > Regards > > Gerold > > > Am Freitag, den 21.09.2007, 22:34 +0200 schrieb Fabian Affolter: > > Gerold Kassube wrote: > > > Hello Everybody! > > > > > > I'm again planing a FAD in November for all European Ambassadors > > > in the above mentioned timeframe near to the Swiss border in > > > Rheinfelden (next [low-cost-]airport is Basel; Transfer from > > > Basel-to Rheinfelden will be organized) > > > > > > The topics (at this time) are: > > > > > > - Events 2008 > > > (covering, attention, needs; budget discussions) > > > - Non profit organisation > > > (what will we do [next?!]) > > > - SWAG > > > (Memebership, Webshop, etc.) > > > - Discussions & Fun, Fun, Fun, Fun .... > > > > > > When you're willing to attend and be part of this FAD, please let > > > me know asap. > > > > I'll be attending > > > > Fabian > > Ok I'm working on the trip at the moment and I would like to know if the Fedora Project could reimburse the flight to go to Basel for 2 people. We would be 2 French people attending (me and Pierre-Yves Chibon) and coming by plane is much easier for us as it avoids 7 hours driving (10hours for Pierre-Yves). Moreover, we would have to come by night on Friday as well as we have courses to follow at the university. Thanks to let me know, Thomas From mrtom at fedoraproject.org Sun Oct 21 17:17:43 2007 From: mrtom at fedoraproject.org (Thomas Canniot) Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2007 19:17:43 +0200 Subject: [Ambassadors] FAD EMEA (2007-11-23 - 2007-11-25) In-Reply-To: <20071021191446.23c3d937@fedoraproject.org> References: <1189853069.3253.8.camel@F7NB.homenet.local> <46F42AD5.50902@fedoraproject.org> <1190742105.3493.1.camel@F7NB.homenet.local> <20071021191446.23c3d937@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <20071021191743.59192ae9@fedoraproject.org> Le Sun, 21 Oct 2007 19:14:46 +0200, Thomas Canniot a ?crit : > Le Tue, 25 Sep 2007 19:41:45 +0200, > Gerold Kassube a ?crit : > > > Thanks Fabian, ... > > > > and also thanks for the setup of the FAD-page again in the WIKI on > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FAD/FADEMEA2007 where all Attendees > > should fill in their names :-) > > > > Regards > > > > Gerold > > > > > > Am Freitag, den 21.09.2007, 22:34 +0200 schrieb Fabian Affolter: > > > Gerold Kassube wrote: > > > > Hello Everybody! > > > > > > > > I'm again planing a FAD in November for all European Ambassadors > > > > in the above mentioned timeframe near to the Swiss border in > > > > Rheinfelden (next [low-cost-]airport is Basel; Transfer from > > > > Basel-to Rheinfelden will be organized) > > > > > > > > The topics (at this time) are: > > > > > > > > - Events 2008 > > > > (covering, attention, needs; budget discussions) > > > > - Non profit organisation > > > > (what will we do [next?!]) > > > > - SWAG > > > > (Memebership, Webshop, etc.) > > > > - Discussions & Fun, Fun, Fun, Fun .... > > > > > > > > When you're willing to attend and be part of this FAD, please > > > > let me know asap. > > > > > > I'll be attending > > > > > > Fabian > > > > > > Ok I'm working on the trip at the moment and I would like to know if > the Fedora Project could reimburse the flight to go to Basel for 2 > people. > > We would be 2 French people attending (me and Pierre-Yves Chibon) > and coming by plane is much easier for us as it avoids 7 hours > driving (10hours for Pierre-Yves). > Moreover, we would have to come by night on Friday as well as we have > courses to follow at the university. > > Thanks to let me know, > > Thomas And I forgot to ask : where would people sleep ? Is there an hotel someone plan to order to ? What is the price of a night out there ? Cheers Thomas From nihed at fedoraproject.org Sun Oct 21 17:58:17 2007 From: nihed at fedoraproject.org (nihed mbarek) Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2007 19:58:17 +0200 Subject: [Ambassadors] Flyers fedora Message-ID: <5bddd8fd0710211058k4407c484obb9477e139353adc@mail.gmail.com> Hi, i want same flyers and poster to print it and used in manifestation Thank you -- M'BAREK Med Nihed, Fedora Ambassador, TUNISIA, Northern Africa -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Tor Vergata) Regards Francesco Ugolini From adarsh571 at gmail.com Mon Oct 22 03:25:08 2007 From: adarsh571 at gmail.com (Bhardwaj, Aadarsh) Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2007 10:25:08 +0700 Subject: [Ambassadors] I Fedora Latin American Ambassadors and Users Conference In-Reply-To: <471745A8.80902@projetofedora.org> References: <471745A8.80902@projetofedora.org> Message-ID: <1acfb2b70710212025i22167eecv284fdd53ebb183ba@mail.gmail.com> Hi Rodrigo In next month when you will going to have conference and what will be the agenda for the conference if I want to join then what i will have to do. On 10/18/07, Rodrigo Padula de Oliveira wrote: > > Hello Ambassadors!! > > In the next month We will have the first "Fedora Latin American > Ambassadors and Users Conference". We already have confirmed ambassadors > from: Brazil, Peru, Venezuela, Argentina. > > The ambassadors who are interested in participating, please mail me. > > More informations: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FedoraEvents/LATINOWARE > > > Rodrigo Padula > Brazilian Fedora Project > http://www.projetofedora.org > > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > -- "Perfectionists never proclaim they are one , So do I" With Regards, Adarsh B Voice: (+62) 815 73202526 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From himam at fedoraproject.org Mon Oct 22 08:41:32 2007 From: himam at fedoraproject.org (Hisham Abdel-Magid) Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2007 11:41:32 +0300 Subject: [Ambassadors] Flyers fedora In-Reply-To: <5bddd8fd0710211058k4407c484obb9477e139353adc@mail.gmail.com> References: <5bddd8fd0710211058k4407c484obb9477e139353adc@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <59e007ed0710220141t54ac6da5w1c3471d994d0b4c4@mail.gmail.com> do you have specific ideas about the contents of your flyers (the words and sentences)? i can help in designing the artwork for you if you like as i did with GITEX (have a look at: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FedoraEvents/GITEX ) what do u think? HishamAbdelMagid On 10/21/07, nihed mbarek wrote: > > Hi, > i want same flyers and poster to print it and used in manifestation > Thank you > > -- > M'BAREK Med Nihed, > Fedora Ambassador, TUNISIA, Northern Africa > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > > -- Eng. Hisham Isam M. Abdel-Magid Fedora Ambassador in Sudan, Dept. of Shelter & Physical Development (DSPD) Institute for Technological Research (ITR) National Center for Research (NCR) Ministry of Science and Technology (MOST) P.O.Box 2404 Khartoum Sudan Mobile: +249 122 007 122 E.mail: himam at fedoraproject.org wiki: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/HishamAbdelMagid -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nihed at fedoraproject.org Mon Oct 22 16:33:34 2007 From: nihed at fedoraproject.org (nihed mbarek) Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2007 18:33:34 +0200 Subject: [Ambassadors] Flyers fedora In-Reply-To: <59e007ed0710220141t54ac6da5w1c3471d994d0b4c4@mail.gmail.com> References: <5bddd8fd0710211058k4407c484obb9477e139353adc@mail.gmail.com> <59e007ed0710220141t54ac6da5w1c3471d994d0b4c4@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <5bddd8fd0710220933m26f5b3adw75913ad480841fe6@mail.gmail.com> It is ok :) hisham :) i want affiche to put it on the wall 2007/10/22, Hisham Abdel-Magid : > > do you have specific ideas about the contents of your flyers (the words > and sentences)? > i can help in designing the artwork for you if you like as i did with > GITEX (have a look at: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FedoraEvents/GITEX ) > > what do u think? > > HishamAbdelMagid > > > On 10/21/07, nihed mbarek < nihed at fedoraproject.org> wrote: > > > Hi, > > i want same flyers and poster to print it and used in manifestation > > Thank you > > > > -- > > M'BAREK Med Nihed, > > Fedora Ambassador, TUNISIA, Northern Africa > > -- > > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > > > > > > > -- > Eng. Hisham Isam M. Abdel-Magid > Fedora Ambassador in Sudan, > Dept. of Shelter & Physical Development (DSPD) > Institute for Technological Research (ITR) > National Center for Research (NCR) > Ministry of Science and Technology (MOST) > P.O.Box 2404 > Khartoum > Sudan > Mobile: +249 122 007 122 > E.mail: himam at fedoraproject.org > wiki: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/HishamAbdelMagid > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > > -- M'BAREK Med Nihed, Fedora Ambassador, TUNISIA, Northern Africa -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From himam at fedoraproject.org Tue Oct 23 06:39:16 2007 From: himam at fedoraproject.org (Hisham Abdel-Magid) Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2007 09:39:16 +0300 Subject: [Ambassadors] Flyers fedora In-Reply-To: <5bddd8fd0710220933m26f5b3adw75913ad480841fe6@mail.gmail.com> References: <5bddd8fd0710211058k4407c484obb9477e139353adc@mail.gmail.com> <59e007ed0710220141t54ac6da5w1c3471d994d0b4c4@mail.gmail.com> <5bddd8fd0710220933m26f5b3adw75913ad480841fe6@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <59e007ed0710222339t6a101bfh1acafa6ba8f20bef@mail.gmail.com> if i understand it correctly, i think you want a big poster for the wall (as a background or something) .. and u may also need some printed flyers (on paper).. for the flyers i will suggest a multilingual description (Arabic, English and French) on A4 papers. but i still need to know the dimensions of the big poster and the contents of it. regards On 10/22/07, nihed mbarek wrote: > > It is ok :) hisham > :) > i want affiche to put it on the wall > > > 2007/10/22, Hisham Abdel-Magid : > > > > do you have specific ideas about the contents of your flyers (the words > > and sentences)? > > i can help in designing the artwork for you if you like as i did with > > GITEX (have a look at: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FedoraEvents/GITEX) > > > > what do u think? > > > > HishamAbdelMagid > > > > > > On 10/21/07, nihed mbarek < nihed at fedoraproject.org> wrote: > > > > > Hi, > > > i want same flyers and poster to print it and used in manifestation > > > Thank you > > > > > > -- > > > M'BAREK Med Nihed, > > > Fedora Ambassador, TUNISIA, Northern Africa > > > -- > > > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > > > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Eng. Hisham Isam M. Abdel-Magid > > Fedora Ambassador in Sudan, > > Dept. of Shelter & Physical Development (DSPD) > > Institute for Technological Research (ITR) > > National Center for Research (NCR) > > Ministry of Science and Technology (MOST) > > P.O.Box 2404 > > Khartoum > > Sudan > > Mobile: +249 122 007 122 > > E.mail: himam at fedoraproject.org > > wiki: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/HishamAbdelMagid > > -- > > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > > > > > > > -- > M'BAREK Med Nihed, > Fedora Ambassador, TUNISIA, Northern Africa > > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > > -- Eng. Hisham Isam M. 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URL: From pingoufc4 at yahoo.fr Tue Oct 23 17:19:13 2007 From: pingoufc4 at yahoo.fr (pingou) Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2007 19:19:13 +0200 Subject: [Ambassadors] FAD EMEA (2007-11-23 - 2007-11-25) In-Reply-To: <20071021191743.59192ae9@fedoraproject.org> References: <1189853069.3253.8.camel@F7NB.homenet.local> <46F42AD5.50902@fedoraproject.org> <1190742105.3493.1.camel@F7NB.homenet.local> <20071021191446.23c3d937@fedoraproject.org> <20071021191743.59192ae9@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <471E2D11.40705@yahoo.fr> Thomas Canniot wrote: > And I forgot to ask : where would people sleep ? Is there an hotel > someone plan to order to ? What is the price of a night out there ? > Hi, No one know ?? It would be more than helpful for us to have these informations, personally I am busy with some courses and I need to plan this week end. The budget is however my main constraint, having an idea of the prices for the housing is important if you want to see us there. However the plane is still the biggest investment on that week end so it would be very nice if the Fedora Project could help us to come over. Waiting for a answer, Best regards, P.Yves ___________________________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Mail r?invente le mail ! D?couvrez le nouveau Yahoo! Mail et son interface r?volutionnaire. http://fr.mail.yahoo.com From gerold at lugd.org Tue Oct 23 19:17:40 2007 From: gerold at lugd.org (Gerold Kassube) Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2007 21:17:40 +0200 Subject: [Ambassadors] FAD EMEA (2007-11-23 - 2007-11-25) In-Reply-To: <471E2D11.40705@yahoo.fr> References: <1189853069.3253.8.camel@F7NB.homenet.local> <46F42AD5.50902@fedoraproject.org> <1190742105.3493.1.camel@F7NB.homenet.local> <20071021191446.23c3d937@fedoraproject.org> <20071021191743.59192ae9@fedoraproject.org> <471E2D11.40705@yahoo.fr> Message-ID: <1193167060.3525.1.camel@F7NB.homenet.local> Hi All, the accommodation; sleeping etc. will be at www.schloss-beuggen.de ... Hope this will help you. Have a look at the last FAD which takes place there (there are also some photos) ... Regards Gerold Am Dienstag, den 23.10.2007, 19:19 +0200 schrieb pingou: > Thomas Canniot wrote: > > > And I forgot to ask : where would people sleep ? Is there an hotel > > someone plan to order to ? What is the price of a night out there ? > > > Hi, > > No one know ?? > > It would be more than helpful for us to have these informations, > personally I am busy with some courses and I need to plan this week end. > > The budget is however my main constraint, having an idea of the prices > for the housing is important if you want to see us there. > > However the plane is still the biggest investment on that week end so it > would be very nice if the Fedora Project could help us to come over. > > Waiting for a answer, > Best regards, > > P.Yves > > > > > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > Yahoo! Mail rinvente le mail ! 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So if YOU registered yourself for the FAD, I'll book the room for you :-) Regards Gerold Am Dienstag, den 23.10.2007, 21:17 +0200 schrieb Gerold Kassube: > Hi All, > > the accommodation; sleeping etc. will be at www.schloss-beuggen.de ... > Hope this will help you. Have a look at the last FAD which takes place > there (there are also some photos) ... > > Regards > > Gerold > > Am Dienstag, den 23.10.2007, 19:19 +0200 schrieb pingou: > > Thomas Canniot wrote: > > > > > And I forgot to ask : where would people sleep ? Is there an hotel > > > someone plan to order to ? What is the price of a night out there ? > > > > > Hi, > > > > No one know ?? > > > > It would be more than helpful for us to have these informations, > > personally I am busy with some courses and I need to plan this week end. > > > > The budget is however my main constraint, having an idea of the prices > > for the housing is important if you want to see us there. > > > > However the plane is still the biggest investment on that week end so it > > would be very nice if the Fedora Project could help us to come over. > > > > Waiting for a answer, > > Best regards, > > > > P.Yves > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > > Yahoo! Mail rinvente le mail ! Dcouvrez le nouveau Yahoo! 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Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: Dies ist ein digital signierter Nachrichtenteil URL: From pingoufc4 at yahoo.fr Tue Oct 23 21:23:55 2007 From: pingoufc4 at yahoo.fr (pingou) Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2007 23:23:55 +0200 Subject: [Ambassadors] FAD EMEA (2007-11-23 - 2007-11-25) In-Reply-To: <1193174492.3525.7.camel@F7NB.homenet.local> References: <1189853069.3253.8.camel@F7NB.homenet.local> <46F42AD5.50902@fedoraproject.org> <1190742105.3493.1.camel@F7NB.homenet.local> <20071021191446.23c3d937@fedoraproject.org> <20071021191743.59192ae9@fedoraproject.org> <471E2D11.40705@yahoo.fr> <1193167060.3525.1.camel@F7NB.homenet.local> <1193174492.3525.7.camel@F7NB.homenet.local> Message-ID: <471E666B.3030807@yahoo.fr> Gerold Kassube wrote: > again me, ... > > please excuse :-( > > I have reserved a number of rooms which will be ordered directly from > myself (if there are all "other things" cleared and figured out). > So if YOU registered yourself for the FAD, I'll book the room for > you :-) > > Regards > > Gerold > well actually I would register if I could be sure to come, but as the budget is my constraint I can not assume yet whether I come or not. As soon as we have any news I will let you know, by irc, or here, what I do. Thanks a lot for your help, Best regards, P.Yves Chibon ___________________________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Mail r?invente le mail ! D?couvrez le nouveau Yahoo! Mail et son interface r?volutionnaire. http://fr.mail.yahoo.com From kanarip at kanarip.com Tue Oct 23 21:57:53 2007 From: kanarip at kanarip.com (Jeroen van Meeuwen) Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2007 23:57:53 +0200 Subject: [Ambassadors] FAD EMEA (2007-11-23 - 2007-11-25) In-Reply-To: <1193174492.3525.7.camel@F7NB.homenet.local> References: <1189853069.3253.8.camel@F7NB.homenet.local> <46F42AD5.50902@fedoraproject.org> <1190742105.3493.1.camel@F7NB.homenet.local> <20071021191446.23c3d937@fedoraproject.org> <20071021191743.59192ae9@fedoraproject.org> <471E2D11.40705@yahoo.fr> <1193167060.3525.1.camel@F7NB.homenet.local> <1193174492.3525.7.camel@F7NB.homenet.local> Message-ID: <471E6E61.2070400@kanarip.com> Gerold Kassube wrote: > again me, ... > > please excuse :-( > > I have reserved a number of rooms which will be ordered directly from > myself (if there are all "other things" cleared and figured out). > So if YOU registered yourself for the FAD, I'll book the room for > you :-) > ^^ LOL, I did!, register for the FAD. Nice work, thanks! ;-) > Regards > > Gerold > > > Am Dienstag, den 23.10.2007, 21:17 +0200 schrieb Gerold Kassube: >> Hi All, >> >> the accommodation; sleeping etc. will be at www.schloss-beuggen.de ... >> Hope this will help you. Have a look at the last FAD which takes place >> there (there are also some photos) ... >> >> Regards >> >> Gerold >> >> Am Dienstag, den 23.10.2007, 19:19 +0200 schrieb pingou: >>> Thomas Canniot wrote: >>> >>>> And I forgot to ask : where would people sleep ? Is there an hotel >>>> someone plan to order to ? What is the price of a night out there ? >>>> >>> Hi, >>> >>> No one know ?? >>> >>> It would be more than helpful for us to have these informations, >>> personally I am busy with some courses and I need to plan this week end. >>> >>> The budget is however my main constraint, having an idea of the prices >>> for the housing is important if you want to see us there. >>> >>> However the plane is still the biggest investment on that week end so it >>> would be very nice if the Fedora Project could help us to come over. >>> >>> Waiting for a answer, >>> Best regards, >>> >>> P.Yves >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ___________________________________________________________________________ >>> Yahoo! Mail rinvente le mail ! Dcouvrez le nouveau Yahoo! Mail et son interface rvolutionnaire. >>> http://fr.mail.yahoo.com >>> >>> -- >>> Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list >>> Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com >>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list >>> >> -- >> Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list >> Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> -- >> Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list >> Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list From fab at fedoraproject.org Thu Oct 25 22:49:50 2007 From: fab at fedoraproject.org (Fabian Affolter) Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2007 00:49:50 +0200 Subject: [Ambassadors] The weekly ambassador meetings Message-ID: <47211D8E.60005@fedoraproject.org> Hi all, It's a long time ago...exactly during the presentation during the FAD at Berlin I showed a slide (Page 7) [1]. This slide contains an overview of some weekly meetings. After a short discussion about why are there always a lot of European ambassadors at both time (FYI 22:00 UTC is midnight in western europe). Someone suggested to split the meetings. An European meeting at a pleasant moment...but now we can't split due to lack of attendance. Since LinuxTag there were 18 meetings. 14 were canceled! Do we still need weekly meetings? Is it an overkill? Is it just a waste of time? Today for me it was just wasting time. Three people showed up. Are the reasons... - I don't care what the other ambassadors do. - We have nothing to discuss. I don't know what to tell. - South America is far away, I'm not interested in stuff from there. - I have other stuff to do and can't take 30 min off. - I live in the wrong time zone. I guess that there is no more any need for exchanging information between the ambassadors about events and how stuff can be done because everybody have enough experience to handle it. On the Join page [2] of the Ambassadors Project... Step 1. Participate in weekly meetings Perhaps it would be a good idea to remove that step. No meeting, no possibility for a participation...FAMSco, this could be a topic for your next meeting. For your half-yearly meeting ;-) Just my thoughts... Regards, Fabian [1] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FAD/FADLinuxTag2007 [2] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/Join From david at lovesunix.net Fri Oct 26 00:33:22 2007 From: david at lovesunix.net (David Nielsen) Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2007 02:33:22 +0200 Subject: [Ambassadors] The weekly ambassador meetings In-Reply-To: <47211D8E.60005@fedoraproject.org> References: <47211D8E.60005@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <1193358802.3411.14.camel@dawkins> fre, 26 10 2007 kl. 00:49 +0200, skrev Fabian Affolter: > Hi all, > > It's a long time ago...exactly during the presentation during the FAD at > Berlin I showed a slide (Page 7) [1]. This slide contains an overview > of some weekly meetings. After a short discussion about why are there > always a lot of European ambassadors at both time (FYI 22:00 UTC is > midnight in western europe). Someone suggested to split the meetings. > An European meeting at a pleasant moment...but now we can't split due to > lack of attendance. > > Since LinuxTag there were 18 meetings. 14 were canceled! > > Do we still need weekly meetings? Is it an overkill? Is it just a > waste of time? Today for me it was just wasting time. Three people > showed up. > > Are the reasons... > > - I don't care what the other ambassadors do. > - We have nothing to discuss. I don't know what to tell. > - South America is far away, I'm not interested in stuff from there. > - I have other stuff to do and can't take 30 min off. > - I live in the wrong time zone. > > I guess that there is no more any need for exchanging information > between the ambassadors about events and how stuff can be done because > everybody have enough experience to handle it. > > On the Join page [2] of the Ambassadors Project... > > Step 1. Participate in weekly meetings > > Perhaps it would be a good idea to remove that step. No meeting, no > possibility for a participation...FAMSco, this could be a topic for your > next meeting. For your half-yearly meeting ;-) It might be more apt to just call for a meeting when we really need one instead of having one each week just for the sake of it, but being a global project IRC meetings will always be at the wrong time for someone - e.g. today was midnight for me and I was sleeping, even attending at such an hour is stetchy at best (never mind that I woke up at 2am). I say we aim towards a model that leverages the mailing list more, it's not like we can't have an intelligent debate this way and it would allow everyone to voice his/her opinion without interferring with mere human things like sleep, food or work. So +1 for removing the step from here. Regardless I think the low attentence is mainly down to the fact that in most parts of the world regardless of how you plan it, it's simply going to be time that is unavailable to most people to being IRCing. Besides what can we do in such a meeting that cannot be resolved by a nice mail thread? So I doubt it's a lack of caring. - David Nielsen -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: Dette er en digitalt underskrevet brevdel URL: From david at gnsa.us Fri Oct 26 01:24:55 2007 From: david at gnsa.us (David Nalley) Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2007 21:24:55 -0400 Subject: [Ambassadors] The weekly ambassador meetings In-Reply-To: <1193358802.3411.14.camel@dawkins> References: <47211D8E.60005@fedoraproject.org> <1193358802.3411.14.camel@dawkins> Message-ID: <472141E7.7040909@gnsa.us> David Nielsen wrote: > fre, 26 10 2007 kl. 00:49 +0200, skrev Fabian Affolter: > >> Hi all, >> >> It's a long time ago...exactly during the presentation during the FAD at >> Berlin I showed a slide (Page 7) [1]. This slide contains an overview >> of some weekly meetings. After a short discussion about why are there >> always a lot of European ambassadors at both time (FYI 22:00 UTC is >> midnight in western europe). Someone suggested to split the meetings. >> An European meeting at a pleasant moment...but now we can't split due to >> lack of attendance. >> >> Since LinuxTag there were 18 meetings. 14 were canceled! >> >> Do we still need weekly meetings? Is it an overkill? Is it just a >> waste of time? Today for me it was just wasting time. Three people >> showed up. >> >> Are the reasons... >> >> - I don't care what the other ambassadors do. >> - We have nothing to discuss. I don't know what to tell. >> - South America is far away, I'm not interested in stuff from there. >> - I have other stuff to do and can't take 30 min off. >> - I live in the wrong time zone. >> >> I guess that there is no more any need for exchanging information >> between the ambassadors about events and how stuff can be done because >> everybody have enough experience to handle it. >> >> On the Join page [2] of the Ambassadors Project... >> >> Step 1. Participate in weekly meetings >> >> Perhaps it would be a good idea to remove that step. No meeting, no >> possibility for a participation...FAMSco, this could be a topic for your >> next meeting. For your half-yearly meeting ;-) >> > > It might be more apt to just call for a meeting when we really need one > instead of having one each week just for the sake of it, but being a > global project IRC meetings will always be at the wrong time for someone > - e.g. today was midnight for me and I was sleeping, even attending at > such an hour is stetchy at best (never mind that I woke up at 2am). > > I say we aim towards a model that leverages the mailing list more, it's > not like we can't have an intelligent debate this way and it would allow > everyone to voice his/her opinion without interferring with mere human > things like sleep, food or work. > > So +1 for removing the step from here. > > Regardless I think the low attentence is mainly down to the fact that in > most parts of the world regardless of how you plan it, it's simply going > to be time that is unavailable to most people to being IRCing. Besides > what can we do in such a meeting that cannot be resolved by a nice mail > thread? So I doubt it's a lack of caring. > > - David Nielsen > I am one of those frequently absent ambassadors. I formerly attended meetings on a pretty regular basis, but largely I have to agree with David and Fabian they appear to largely have lost significance. Compared to other groups (like the Fedora Infrastructure group) it appears little is accomplished. Sit in on the infrastructure meeting and see the work that gets handed out, decisions that are made, etc. The ambassador meeting used to be this way - I remember before FC5 having discussions with people from RH (gregdek and Alex) about how CD/DVDs would be made, creating 'tours' for FC5, etc. I think a lot of that was because Greg and Alex really pushed Ambassadors and involvement before there was a lot of community infrastructure in the Fedora Project, perhaps a lot of those decisions have been pushed to other areas. The recent meetings I have been to or read the logs from tend to be reporting on events, and we have lots of meetings that are cancelled. The questions that I have had in determining whether to attend is: 1. What am I going to accomplish in return for attending. 2. How does my attendance further the aims of the Ambassadors or fp.o. I have used IRC for collaborating with other ambassadors when I have been working with them on an event, but could have just as easily used email. Have you looked at our schedule, which is supposed to be our agenda for meetings? Specifically - look at the issues, and closed issues - April 2006 as our last closed issue? Standing meetings are great, but if they don't accomplish anything perhaps we need to reexamine them. I am specifically interested in Greg's take on where the Ambassadors are today - is this what you envisioned? FAMSCO members, as fp.o grows, what is our continued role to be? From gerold at lugd.org Fri Oct 26 06:03:45 2007 From: gerold at lugd.org (Gerold Kassube) Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2007 08:03:45 +0200 Subject: [Ambassadors] The weekly ambassador meetings In-Reply-To: <47211D8E.60005@fedoraproject.org> References: <47211D8E.60005@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <1193378625.3487.11.camel@F7NB.homenet.local> Hi *, imho the weekly meetings are a little bit overkill :-( All the reasons Fabian wrote and asked for are a part of "why I don't attend" (for me) ... On the other hand, we have had the "GO" from Max on LT2007 to establish our own EMEA-Ambassadors meeting, BUT ... ... nobody taked care for it ... nobody has invited the other ... nobody is responsible for that kind of meeting(s) The Ambassadors in Germany meet each other a couple time in a year on a Event, on a FAD (reminder: next in approx. 4 weeks) to talk in person, to organize Events, to have fun together. And in my eyes, the FAD is more effectiv that one year of IRC-Meetings ... Please don`t misunderstood, IRC metings are important, too. For sure, but not every week. Maybe there are different steps to get us all at the round table ... ... change period from weekly to monthly ... meetings in timezones +1 and -1 or max. +2 and -2 ... define two responsible Ambassadors for each region ... more contact und presence from/with Max JUst my five cents Gerold Am Freitag, den 26.10.2007, 00:49 +0200 schrieb Fabian Affolter: > Hi all, > > It's a long time ago...exactly during the presentation during the FAD at > Berlin I showed a slide (Page 7) [1]. This slide contains an overview > of some weekly meetings. After a short discussion about why are there > always a lot of European ambassadors at both time (FYI 22:00 UTC is > midnight in western europe). Someone suggested to split the meetings. > An European meeting at a pleasant moment...but now we can't split due to > lack of attendance. > > Since LinuxTag there were 18 meetings. 14 were canceled! > > Do we still need weekly meetings? Is it an overkill? Is it just a > waste of time? Today for me it was just wasting time. Three people > showed up. > > Are the reasons... > > - I don't care what the other ambassadors do. > - We have nothing to discuss. I don't know what to tell. > - South America is far away, I'm not interested in stuff from there. > - I have other stuff to do and can't take 30 min off. > - I live in the wrong time zone. > > I guess that there is no more any need for exchanging information > between the ambassadors about events and how stuff can be done because > everybody have enough experience to handle it. > > On the Join page [2] of the Ambassadors Project... > > Step 1. Participate in weekly meetings > > Perhaps it would be a good idea to remove that step. No meeting, no > possibility for a participation...FAMSco, this could be a topic for your > next meeting. For your half-yearly meeting ;-) > > Just my thoughts... > > Regards, > > Fabian > > [1] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FAD/FADLinuxTag2007 > [2] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/Join > > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > -- Gerold Kassube -Vorstandsvorsitzender- Linux Usergroup L?rrach e.V. Marie-Curie-Strasse 8 79539 L?rrach _ ASCII ribbon campaign ( ) - against HTML email X & vCards / \ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Regards, -- Thomas Chung http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ThomasChung From himam at fedoraproject.org Fri Oct 26 19:04:51 2007 From: himam at fedoraproject.org (Hisham Abdel-Magid) Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2007 22:04:51 +0300 Subject: [Ambassadors] The weekly ambassador meetings In-Reply-To: <369bce3b0710261133r3967b0e2le17b06f9f36371ee@mail.gmail.com> References: <47211D8E.60005@fedoraproject.org> <1193378625.3487.11.camel@F7NB.homenet.local> <369bce3b0710261133r3967b0e2le17b06f9f36371ee@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <59e007ed0710261204r79708029s53cba0328b64e0a4@mail.gmail.com> +1 On 10/26/07, Thomas Chung wrote: > > On 10/25/07, Gerold Kassube wrote: > > Hi *, > > > > imho the weekly meetings are a little bit overkill :-( > > All the reasons Fabian wrote and asked for are a part of "why I don't > > attend" (for me) ... > > > Hi Gerold and Fabian, > I hate to say but I agree with you. > I think weekly meeting *is* overkill for our current situation. > > Therefore, I would like to propose the meeting frequency to monthly. > Please let me know your thought. > > Regards, > -- > Thomas Chung > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ThomasChung > > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > -- Eng. 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URL: From ben.lewis at benl.co.uk Sat Oct 27 08:11:49 2007 From: ben.lewis at benl.co.uk (Benjamin Lewis) Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2007 09:11:49 +0100 Subject: [Ambassadors] The weekly ambassador meetings In-Reply-To: <369bce3b0710261133r3967b0e2le17b06f9f36371ee@mail.gmail.com> References: <47211D8E.60005@fedoraproject.org> <1193378625.3487.11.camel@F7NB.homenet.local> <369bce3b0710261133r3967b0e2le17b06f9f36371ee@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200710270911.54077.ben.lewis@benl.co.uk> +1 -- Benjamin Lewis Fedora Ambassador ben.lewis at benl.co.uk ----------------------------------------------------------------------- http://benl.co.uk./ PGP Key: 0x647E480C "In cases of major discrepancy, it is always reality that got it wrong" -- RFC 1118 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 827 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part. URL: From bhanupatial at yahoo.com Sat Oct 27 08:33:06 2007 From: bhanupatial at yahoo.com (Bhanu Patial) Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2007 01:33:06 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Ambassadors] The weekly ambassador meetings Message-ID: <460534.69548.qm@web53801.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Hi all, +1 for monthly meetings. Another work around is to divide and schedule them with time zones. For us in India it's +0530 hrs and make it at 0330 hrs. If meetings are rotated properly then it may help. But i havn't seen meetings being rotated. Bhanu Patial http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/BhanuPatial ----- Original Message ---- From: Thomas Chung To: fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com Sent: Saturday, October 27, 2007 12:03:54 AM Subject: Re: [Ambassadors] The weekly ambassador meetings On 10/25/07, Gerold Kassube wrote: > Hi *, > > imho the weekly meetings are a little bit overkill :-( > All the reasons Fabian wrote and asked for are a part of "why I don't > attend" (for me) ... Hi Gerold and Fabian, I hate to say but I agree with you. I think weekly meeting *is* overkill for our current situation. Therefore, I would like to propose the meeting frequency to monthly. Please let me know your thought. Regards, -- Thomas Chung http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ThomasChung -- Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gerold at lugd.org Sat Oct 27 09:10:39 2007 From: gerold at lugd.org (Gerold Kassube) Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2007 11:10:39 +0200 Subject: [Ambassadors] The weekly ambassador meetings In-Reply-To: <460534.69548.qm@web53801.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <460534.69548.qm@web53801.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1193476239.3491.5.camel@F7NB.homenet.local> Hi *, I personally prefer such a solution: Amnbassador meeting is on the x thursday per month, in #fedroa-meeting, for Americas at 8 p.m. local time, for EMEA at 8 p.m., for APAC at 8 p.m. and so on depends on which region we have to cover ... But always local time (of the time zone)! And this meetings are "mandatory" (if possible) for the region in which you live; if you want and your time zone allows you, you can also attend meetings in other regions :-) What do you think about? Regards Gerold Am Samstag, den 27.10.2007, 01:33 -0700 schrieb Bhanu Patial: > Hi all, > +1 for monthly meetings. Another work around is to divide and schedule > them with > time zones. For us in India it's +0530 hrs and make it at 0330 hrs. > > If meetings are rotated properly then it may help. But i havn't seen > meetings being rotated. > > Bhanu Patial > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/BhanuPatial > > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: Thomas Chung > To: fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > Sent: Saturday, October 27, 2007 12:03:54 AM > Subject: Re: [Ambassadors] The weekly ambassador meetings > > On 10/25/07, Gerold Kassube wrote: > > Hi *, > > > > imho the weekly meetings are a little bit overkill :-( > > All the reasons Fabian wrote and asked for are a part of "why I > don't > > attend" (for me) ... > > > Hi Gerold and Fabian, > I hate to say but I agree with you. > I think weekly meeting *is* overkill for our current situation. > > Therefore, I would like to propose the meeting frequency to monthly. > Please let me know your thought. > > Regards, > -- > Thomas Chung > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ThomasChung > > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? 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Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: Dies ist ein digital signierter Nachrichtenteil URL: From pingoufc4 at yahoo.fr Sat Oct 27 09:35:26 2007 From: pingoufc4 at yahoo.fr (pingou) Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2007 11:35:26 +0200 Subject: [Ambassadors] The weekly ambassador meetings In-Reply-To: <1193476239.3491.5.camel@F7NB.homenet.local> References: <460534.69548.qm@web53801.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <1193476239.3491.5.camel@F7NB.homenet.local> Message-ID: <4723065E.7070504@yahoo.fr> Gerold Kassube wrote: > Hi *, > > I personally prefer such a solution: > > Amnbassador meeting is on the x thursday per month, in #fedroa-meeting, > for Americas at 8 p.m. local time, for EMEA at 8 p.m., for APAC at 8 > p.m. and so on depends on which region we have to cover ... > > But always local time (of the time zone)! > > What do you think about? > +1 P.Yves ___________________________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Mail r?invente le mail ! 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Mail et son interface r?volutionnaire. http://fr.mail.yahoo.com From ben.lewis at benl.co.uk Sat Oct 27 09:50:06 2007 From: ben.lewis at benl.co.uk (Benjamin Lewis) Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2007 10:50:06 +0100 Subject: [Ambassadors] The weekly ambassador meetings In-Reply-To: <1193476239.3491.5.camel@F7NB.homenet.local> References: <460534.69548.qm@web53801.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <1193476239.3491.5.camel@F7NB.homenet.local> Message-ID: <200710271050.12303.ben.lewis@benl.co.uk> On Saturday 27 October 2007 10:10:39 am Gerold Kassube wrote: > Hi *, > > I personally prefer such a solution: > > Amnbassador meeting is on the x thursday per month, in #fedroa-meeting, > for Americas at 8 p.m. local time, for EMEA at 8 p.m., for APAC at 8 > p.m. and so on depends on which region we have to cover ... > > But always local time (of the time zone)! > > And this meetings are "mandatory" (if possible) for the region in which > you live; if you want and your time zone allows you, you can also attend > meetings in other regions :-) > Not mandatory in the sense one has to go to each and every one, but more like "regularly" attend. > > What do you think about? > > Regards > > Gerold > -- Benjamin Lewis Fedora Ambassador ben.lewis at benl.co.uk ----------------------------------------------------------------------- http://benl.co.uk./ PGP Key: 0x647E480C "In cases of major discrepancy, it is always reality that got it wrong" -- RFC 1118 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Not Thursday...we need to switch to Wednesday if we will choose 8 p.m. because at 8 p.m. on Thursday is Infrastructure meeting [1]. > But always local time (of the time zone)! +1 Fabian [1] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Meetings From adityaksharma at gmail.com Sat Oct 27 10:28:36 2007 From: adityaksharma at gmail.com (aDiTyA ShArMa) Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2007 15:58:36 +0530 Subject: [Ambassadors] The weekly ambassador meetings In-Reply-To: <4723104C.10105@fedoraproject.org> References: <460534.69548.qm@web53801.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <1193476239.3491.5.camel@F7NB.homenet.local> <4723104C.10105@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <3c766be00710270328q6f12031aye42e881e5889df7c@mail.gmail.com> +1 for monthly meetings.. On 10/27/07, Fabian Affolter wrote: > > Gerold Kassube schrieb: > > As I see a lot ambassadors agree for the solution with a monthly > meeting. Me too. > > > Amnbassador meeting is on the x thursday per month, in #fedroa-meeting, > > for Americas at 8 p.m. local time, for EMEA at 8 p.m., for APAC at 8 > > p.m. and so on depends on which region we have to cover ... > > Not Thursday...we need to switch to Wednesday if we will choose 8 p.m. > because at 8 p.m. on Thursday is Infrastructure meeting [1]. > > > But always local time (of the time zone)! > > +1 > > Fabian > > [1] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Meetings > > > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > -- aDiTyA sHaRmA -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fab at fedoraproject.org Sat Oct 27 10:29:24 2007 From: fab at fedoraproject.org (Fabian Affolter) Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2007 12:29:24 +0200 Subject: [Ambassadors] The weekly ambassador meetings In-Reply-To: <1193476239.3491.5.camel@F7NB.homenet.local> References: <460534.69548.qm@web53801.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <1193476239.3491.5.camel@F7NB.homenet.local> Message-ID: <47231304.1090607@fedoraproject.org> Gerold Kassube schrieb: sorry, once again... > Amnbassador meeting is on the x thursday per month, in #fedroa-meeting, > for Americas at 8 p.m. local time, for EMEA at 8 p.m., for APAC at 8 > p.m. and so on depends on which region we have to cover ... What's about sunday? There is already the meeting of the french ambassadors. Perhaps we can combine the two meeting for EMEA. Fabian From gerold at lugd.org Sat Oct 27 11:07:49 2007 From: gerold at lugd.org (Gerold Kassube) Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2007 13:07:49 +0200 Subject: [Ambassadors] The weekly ambassador meetings In-Reply-To: <47231304.1090607@fedoraproject.org> References: <460534.69548.qm@web53801.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <1193476239.3491.5.camel@F7NB.homenet.local> <47231304.1090607@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <1193483269.3491.7.camel@F7NB.homenet.local> I'm not sure, they want ... ... to shift their own meeting to another day and time; because the meeting of the french Ambassadors are in their native language, ... Am Samstag, den 27.10.2007, 12:29 +0200 schrieb Fabian Affolter: > Gerold Kassube schrieb: > > sorry, once again... > > > Amnbassador meeting is on the x thursday per month, in #fedroa-meeting, > > for Americas at 8 p.m. local time, for EMEA at 8 p.m., for APAC at 8 > > p.m. and so on depends on which region we have to cover ... > > What's about sunday? There is already the meeting of the french > ambassadors. Perhaps we can combine the two meeting for EMEA. > > Fabian > > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > -- Gerold Kassube -Vorstandsvorsitzender- Linux Usergroup L?rrach e.V. Marie-Curie-Strasse 8 79539 L?rrach _ ASCII ribbon campaign ( ) - against HTML email X & vCards / \ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: Dies ist ein digital signierter Nachrichtenteil URL: From pingoufc4 at yahoo.fr Sat Oct 27 11:27:36 2007 From: pingoufc4 at yahoo.fr (pingou) Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2007 13:27:36 +0200 Subject: [Ambassadors] The weekly ambassador meetings In-Reply-To: <1193483269.3491.7.camel@F7NB.homenet.local> References: <460534.69548.qm@web53801.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <1193476239.3491.5.camel@F7NB.homenet.local> <47231304.1090607@fedoraproject.org> <1193483269.3491.7.camel@F7NB.homenet.local> Message-ID: <472320A8.4010005@yahoo.fr> Gerold Kassube wrote: > I'm not sure, they want ... > > ... to shift their own meeting to another day and time; > > because the meeting of the french Ambassadors are in their native > language, ... > Another reason would be that what is discussed on these meetings are quite related to the french speaking community (we speak about the association, the website, the french events...) and not only french ambassador are present, but all the member of the community that wants to be a bit more involved present on the community. What I mean is that people not part of that community would I guess be quite bored on these meeting. However I do be in favor of the EMEA meetings, I think it would be much more interesting in the way that you definitively feel more concerned by a event that occurs close to you . Another point that needs to be discussed, I think, is what do would be the subject of such meetings ? Is it a review of what have been done and what will be done ? Is it a discussion of what is going on around your country ? Is it like on event, reflection of what can be done and how to do it to improve the promotion of fedora, the organization of the people involved in the fedora project ? Is it a review of what has been good or bad in the relation to the fedora project ? Is it a reflection on how to improve them ? If we want to get people involved for long in these meeting, we need to have subject, that "can not" be discussed via the mailing list... "Why should we go to the meeting ?" This question is, to my mind, one of the most important. Well that is it for me :) Just my two cents to the reflection about these meetings :) Best regards, P.Yves ___________________________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Mail r?invente le mail ! D?couvrez le nouveau Yahoo! Mail et son interface r?volutionnaire. http://fr.mail.yahoo.com From polytropolis at gmail.com Sat Oct 27 14:14:54 2007 From: polytropolis at gmail.com (Claus Reheis) Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2007 16:14:54 +0200 Subject: [Ambassadors] The weekly ambassador meetings In-Reply-To: <1193476239.3491.5.camel@F7NB.homenet.local> References: <460534.69548.qm@web53801.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <1193476239.3491.5.camel@F7NB.homenet.local> Message-ID: <1193494494.11881.0.camel@claus-laptop> HI @all! On Sat, 2007-10-27 at 11:10 +0200, Gerold Kassube wrote: > Hi *, > > I personally prefer such a solution: > > Amnbassador meeting is on the x thursday per month, in #fedroa-meeting, > for Americas at 8 p.m. local time, for EMEA at 8 p.m., for APAC at 8 > p.m. and so on depends on which region we have to cover ... > > But always local time (of the time zone)! > > And this meetings are "mandatory" (if possible) for the region in which > you live; if you want and your time zone allows you, you can also attend > meetings in other regions :-) > > > What do you think about? > > Regards > > Gerold Nice idea! +1 Claus > > > Am Samstag, den 27.10.2007, 01:33 -0700 schrieb Bhanu Patial: > > Hi all, > > +1 for monthly meetings. Another work around is to divide and schedule > > them with > > time zones. For us in India it's +0530 hrs and make it at 0330 hrs. > > > > If meetings are rotated properly then it may help. But i havn't seen > > meetings being rotated. > > > > Bhanu Patial > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/BhanuPatial > > > > > > ----- Original Message ---- > > From: Thomas Chung > > To: fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > > Sent: Saturday, October 27, 2007 12:03:54 AM > > Subject: Re: [Ambassadors] The weekly ambassador meetings > > > > On 10/25/07, Gerold Kassube wrote: > > > Hi *, > > > > > > imho the weekly meetings are a little bit overkill :-( > > > All the reasons Fabian wrote and asked for are a part of "why I > > don't > > > attend" (for me) ... > > > > > > Hi Gerold and Fabian, > > I hate to say but I agree with you. > > I think weekly meeting *is* overkill for our current situation. > > > > Therefore, I would like to propose the meeting frequency to monthly. > > Please let me know your thought. > > > > Regards, > > -- > > Thomas Chung > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ThomasChung > > > > -- > > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > > http://mail.yahoo.com > > -- > > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Sat Oct 27 14:20:17 2007 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2007 19:50:17 +0530 Subject: [Ambassadors] FOSS.in Talks shortlist Message-ID: <47234921.8000007@fedoraproject.org> Hi, https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-india/2007-October/msg00020.html Sign yourself up in the Fedora India mailing for more updates and discussions. Rahul From francescougolini at aol.it Sat Oct 27 20:45:47 2007 From: francescougolini at aol.it (francescougolini at aol.it) Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2007 16:45:47 -0400 Subject: R: [Ambassadors] The weekly ambassador meetings In-Reply-To: <47211D8E.60005@fedoraproject.org> References: <47211D8E.60005@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <8C9E6F17CE06289-978-706E@mblk-d19.sysops.aol.com> I've stopped to lead meetings because nobody took care of those. I know they could became a de facto standard for the communication between people living in different country. But actually it doesn't make sens at all. Yeah, we can discuss about the reason to organize or not to organize a meeting, but first of all we have to ask ourselves: are we interested in those "events"? Personally i think they are really important, if more than 15%/20% of Ambassadors will join this. Best regards Francesco Ugolini -----Messaggio originario----- Da: Fabian Affolter A: fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com Inviati: Ven 26 Ott 2007 0:49 Oggetto: [Ambassadors] The weekly ambassador meetings Hi all, It's a long time ago...exactly during the presentation during the FAD at Berlin I showed a slide (Page 7) [1]. This slide contains an overview of some weekly meetings. After a short discussion about why are there always a lot of European ambassadors at both time (FYI 22:00 UTC is midnight in western europe). Someone suggested to split the meetings. An European meeting at a pleasant moment...but now we can't split due to lack of attendance. Since LinuxTag there were 18 meetings. 14 were canceled! Do we still need weekly meetings? Is it an overkill? Is it just a waste of time? Today for me it was just wasting time. Three people showed up. Are the reasons... - I don't care what the other ambassadors do. - We have nothing to discuss. I don't know what to tell. - South America is far away, I'm not interested in stuff from there. - I have other stuff to do and can't take 30 min off. - I live in the wrong time zone. I guess that there is no more any need for exchanging information between the ambassadors about events and how stuff can be done because everybody have enough experience to handle it. On the Join page [2] of the Ambassadors Project... Step 1. Participate in weekly meetings Perhaps it would be a good idea to remove that step. No meeting, no possibility for a participation...FAMSco, this could be a topic for your next meeting. For your half-yearly meeting ;-) Just my thoughts... Regards, Fabian [1] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FAD/FADLinuxTag2007 [2] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/Join -- Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list ________________________________________________________________________ Email gratis per tutti su AOL! Scopri tutti i servizi gratuiti di AOL su AOL.it. From gotencoolwebmaster at yahoo.es Sat Oct 27 23:52:37 2007 From: gotencoolwebmaster at yahoo.es (Eduardo =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Villagr=E1n?= Morales) Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2007 20:52:37 -0300 Subject: [Ambassadors] The weekly ambassador meetings In-Reply-To: <369bce3b0710261133r3967b0e2le17b06f9f36371ee@mail.gmail.com> References: <47211D8E.60005@fedoraproject.org> <1193378625.3487.11.camel@F7NB.homenet.local> <369bce3b0710261133r3967b0e2le17b06f9f36371ee@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1193529157.2976.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> El vie, 26-10-2007 a las 11:33 -0700, Thomas Chung escribi?: > On 10/25/07, Gerold Kassube wrote: > > Hi *, > > > > imho the weekly meetings are a little bit overkill :-( > > All the reasons Fabian wrote and asked for are a part of "why I don't > > attend" (for me) ... > > > Hi Gerold and Fabian, > I hate to say but I agree with you. > I think weekly meeting *is* overkill for our current situation. > > Therefore, I would like to propose the meeting frequency to monthly. > Please let me know your thought. +1 for monthly meetings > > Regards, -- Eduardo Villagr?n Morales Embajador Fedora Linuxdiinf.org -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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One of the reason I think the amb meeting used to work but didn't, is that, from my point of view, that i never recovered from alex's departure. She was more than a guide for us and had such a strong personality that her action was more than motivating. Then I think that the amb meeting are good for new amb only. When people get to know each other, they work on events by their own means, and not through the meetings. > > Another point that needs to be discussed, I think, is what do would > be the subject of such meetings ? > Is it a review of what have been done and what will be done ? > Is it a discussion of what is going on around your country ? > Is it like on event, reflection of what can be done and how to do it > to improve the promotion of fedora, the organization of the people > involved in the fedora project ? > Is it a review of what has been good or bad in the relation to the > fedora project ? > Is it a reflection on how to improve them ? > > If we want to get people involved for long in these meeting, we need > to have subject, that "can not" be discussed via the mailing list... > > "Why should we go to the meeting ?" > This question is, to my mind, one of the most important. That is why our French meeting work that great... our mailing list is not as active as I would have liked it to be, and not as active as the fp amb ml one. For example, such a topic would have been discussed during a meeting only. Too bad perhaps, but the meetings for French Ambs about French activities is a damn good way to know that other people are active and take part in the marketing process of the distro. About the time and date, we first had our meeting on a private French channel, then we were asked by someone from the fp to do it on #fedora-meeting and changing once more would disappoint my troups :) The hour seems to be ideal for French people, I don't think we would agree to change it. Otherwise, it would mean we would have to recreate all the stuff that make people want to attend it and feel deeply sorry not to. > > Well that is it for me :) > Just my two cents to the reflection about these meetings :) > > Best regards, > P.Yves From mrtom at fedoraproject.org Sun Oct 28 07:46:02 2007 From: mrtom at fedoraproject.org (Thomas Canniot) Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2007 08:46:02 +0100 Subject: [Ambassadors] The weekly ambassador meetings In-Reply-To: <369bce3b0710261133r3967b0e2le17b06f9f36371ee@mail.gmail.com> References: <47211D8E.60005@fedoraproject.org> <1193378625.3487.11.camel@F7NB.homenet.local> <369bce3b0710261133r3967b0e2le17b06f9f36371ee@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20071028084602.60ce5649@fedoraproject.org> Le Fri, 26 Oct 2007 11:33:54 -0700, "Thomas Chung" a ?crit : > On 10/25/07, Gerold Kassube wrote: > > Hi *, > > > > imho the weekly meetings are a little bit overkill :-( > > All the reasons Fabian wrote and asked for are a part of "why I > > don't attend" (for me) ... > > > Hi Gerold and Fabian, > I hate to say but I agree with you. > I think weekly meeting *is* overkill for our current situation. > > Therefore, I would like to propose the meeting frequency to monthly. > Please let me know your thought. > > Regards, Well, monthly meeting will be a failure as well from my point of view. Alex used to recall the list before each meeting. Not 30 min before, but several hours before. (at least 12h). For example, I am completely unable to tell you what is the present time of the amb meeting. Thomas From mrtom at fedoraproject.org Sun Oct 28 07:56:55 2007 From: mrtom at fedoraproject.org (Thomas Canniot) Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2007 08:56:55 +0100 Subject: [Ambassadors] REMINDER French Meeting today 1830 #fedora-meeting Message-ID: <20071028085655.08b97644@mrtomlinux.org> This mail is a reminder for today?s meeting for French ambassadors and _every_ interested people. 2007-10-28 / 18:30 UTC IRC: freenode #fedora-meeting Ce mail est un rappel pour la r?union des ambassadeurs francophones, qui aura lieu ce dimanche (28 oct.) ? 20h30 heure de Paris sur IRC (freenode) #fedora-meeting . L'ordre du jour est disponible depuis cette page : http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/FrenchTeam/Reunions N'h?sitez pas ? la modifier pour rajouter des sujets qui vous semblent int?ressants. Thomas Canniot From francescougolini at aol.it Sun Oct 28 09:56:03 2007 From: francescougolini at aol.it (francescougolini at aol.it) Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2007 05:56:03 -0400 Subject: R: [Ambassadors] The weekly ambassador meetings In-Reply-To: <20071028084337.0caffc0b@fedoraproject.org> References: <460534.69548.qm@web53801.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <1193476239.3491.5.camel@F7NB.homenet.local> <47231304.1090607@fedoraproject.org> <1193483269.3491.7.camel@F7NB.homenet.local> <472320A8.4010005@yahoo.fr> <20071028084337.0caffc0b@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <8C9E75FE2C2514A-628-7AD4@FWM-M37.sysops.aol.com> The weekly meetings absence is a long time problem, now we haven't to speculate with lies etc... But i don't want be polemic. I've led a big piece of this year metting (i've stop to do that after nobody takes care of those), and i may say people join those ones only for "controversial" proposal. But this isn't the real reason: because we discuss about something interested them, because the topics touch them. Probably the cause is mine, but i think a (Global, EMEA, etc...) meeting is usefull only when discuss about things that interest all. So, we haven't to make the list of the next events, we know they annoy people; we haven't to say the same things they can find in the Mailing List. We have to focus on something that will make Weekly (Monthly, Yearly ....) IRC meeting's interesting. This is the problem ... no others Regards Francesco Ugolini -----Messaggio originario----- Da: Thomas Canniot A: fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com Inviati: Dom 28 Ott 2007 8:43 Oggetto: Re: [Ambassadors] The weekly ambassador meetings Le Sat, 27 Oct 2007 13:27:36 +0200, pingou a ??crit : > However I do be in favor of the EMEA meetings, I think it would be > much more interesting in the way that you definitively feel more > concerned by a event that occurs close to you . One of the reason I think the amb meeting used to work but didn't, is that, from my point of view, that i never recovered from alex's departure. She was more than a guide for us and had such a strong personality that her action was more than motivating. Then I think that the amb meeting are good for new amb only. When people get to know each other, they work on events by their own means, and not through the meetings. > > Another point that needs to be discussed, I think, is what do would > be the subject of such meetings ? > Is it a review of what have been done and what will be done ? > Is it a discussion of what is going on around your country ? > Is it like on event, reflection of what can be done and how to do it > to improve the promotion of fedora, the organization of the people > involved in the fedora project ? > Is it a review of what has been good or bad in the relation to the > fedora project ? > Is it a reflection on how to improve them ? > > If we want to get people involved for long in these meeting, we need > to have subject, that "can not" be discussed via the mailing list... > > "Why should we go to the meeting ?" > This question is, to my mind, one of the most important. That is why our French meeting work that great... our mailing list is not as active as I would have liked it to be, and not as active as the fp amb ml one. For example, such a topic would have been discussed during a meeting only. Too bad perhaps, but the meetings for French Ambs about French activities is a damn good way to know that other people are active and take part in the marketing process of the distro. About the time and date, we first had our meeting on a private French channel, then we were asked by someone from the fp to do it on #fedora-meeting and changing once more would disappoint my troups :) The hour seems to be ideal for French people, I don't think we would agree to change it. Otherwise, it would mean we would have to recreate all the stuff that make people want to attend it and feel deeply sorry not to. > > Well that is it for me :) > Just my two cents to the reflection about these meetings :) > > Best regards, > P.Yves -- Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list ________________________________________________________________________ Email gratis per tutti su AOL! Scopri tutti i servizi gratuiti di AOL su AOL.it. From francescougolini at aol.it Sun Oct 28 10:09:28 2007 From: francescougolini at aol.it (francescougolini at aol.it) Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2007 06:09:28 -0400 Subject: R: [Ambassadors] The weekly ambassador meetings In-Reply-To: <20071028084602.60ce5649@fedoraproject.org> References: <47211D8E.60005@fedoraproject.org> <1193378625.3487.11.camel@F7NB.homenet.local> <369bce3b0710261133r3967b0e2le17b06f9f36371ee@mail.gmail.com> <20071028084602.60ce5649@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <8C9E761C28D8AF8-628-7AEE@FWM-M37.sysops.aol.com> Sorry Thomas, we used to recall people one day before, see the M-L archives (and refer to meeting organized by FAmSCo) . The problem aren't the organizers, and Global meetings are different from French Meetings, we are talking about meeting that involving all the World (and different languages), we have to discuss about thing could real interest all attendees, we have to find a solution that differs for meeting reminders etc... You are continuing speculate on Alex meetings, see (all) the past meetings logs and see how many people attend those ones: you will find tha same number since the beginnig of Amb. project. It's not a problem of leadership, there is a lack of Arguments. Ok, we can continue discussing this problem for days and days, but we will never arrive to a conclusion if we will not focus on a real (concrete) solution. Regards Francesco Ugolini -----Messaggio originario----- Da: Thomas Canniot A: fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com Inviati: Dom 28 Ott 2007 8:46 Oggetto: Re: [Ambassadors] The weekly ambassador meetings Alex used to recall the list before each meeting. Not 30 min before, but several hours before. (at least 12h). For example, I am completely unable to tell you what is the present time of the amb meeting. Thomas ------------------------------------------- ________________________________________________________________________ Email gratis per tutti su AOL! Scopri tutti i servizi gratuiti di AOL su AOL.it. From linux at elfshadow.net Sun Oct 28 12:50:42 2007 From: linux at elfshadow.net (Jeffrey Tadlock) Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2007 08:50:42 -0400 Subject: [Ambassadors] The weekly ambassador meetings In-Reply-To: <20071028084337.0caffc0b@fedoraproject.org> References: <460534.69548.qm@web53801.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <1193476239.3491.5.camel@F7NB.homenet.local> <47231304.1090607@fedoraproject.org> <1193483269.3491.7.camel@F7NB.homenet.local> <472320A8.4010005@yahoo.fr> <20071028084337.0caffc0b@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <10e0a9b00710280550g21ed683o778ee924baf22212@mail.gmail.com> On 10/28/07, Thomas Canniot wrote: > Le Sat, 27 Oct 2007 13:27:36 +0200, > pingou a ?(c)crit : > > Then I think that the amb meeting are good for new amb only. When > people get to know each other, they work on events by their own means, > and not through the meetings. I think this is an accurate statement. For those of us that have done a few events we know how things are supposed to work for event, how to get materials for the event and we don't have as much of a need to discuss the event in a meeting. I know for the first Ohio Linux Fest we attended in 2006, I attended meetings to help get questions answered for that event. This year we ran the booth again for the Ohio Linux Fest and we just didn't have many questions - so less need for a meeting. --Jeffrey From mrtom at fedoraproject.org Sun Oct 28 16:23:41 2007 From: mrtom at fedoraproject.org (Thomas Canniot) Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2007 17:23:41 +0100 Subject: R: [Ambassadors] The weekly ambassador meetings In-Reply-To: <8C9E761C28D8AF8-628-7AEE@FWM-M37.sysops.aol.com> References: <47211D8E.60005@fedoraproject.org> <1193378625.3487.11.camel@F7NB.homenet.local> <369bce3b0710261133r3967b0e2le17b06f9f36371ee@mail.gmail.com> <20071028084602.60ce5649@fedoraproject.org> <8C9E761C28D8AF8-628-7AEE@FWM-M37.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <20071028172341.23a2057c@fedoraproject.org> Le Sun, 28 Oct 2007 06:09:28 -0400, francescougolini at aol.it a ?crit : > > Ok, we can continue discussing this problem for days and days, but we > will never arrive to a conclusion if we will not focus on a real > (concrete) solution. That you don't do either. Thomas From francescougolini at aol.it Sun Oct 28 18:00:24 2007 From: francescougolini at aol.it (francescougolini at aol.it) Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2007 14:00:24 -0400 Subject: R: R: [Ambassadors] The weekly ambassador meetings In-Reply-To: <20071028172341.23a2057c@fedoraproject.org> References: <47211D8E.60005@fedoraproject.org> <1193378625.3487.11.camel@F7NB.homenet.local> <369bce3b0710261133r3967b0e2le17b06f9f36371ee@mail.gmail.com> <20071028084602.60ce5649@fedoraproject.org> <8C9E761C28D8AF8-628-7AEE@FWM-M37.sysops.aol.com> <20071028172341.23a2057c@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <8C9E7A38C74D6B2-4B8-8E95@webmail-db02.sysops.aol.com> I have just expresses my position one or two days ago: i agree completely with Gerold ideas. Now the others ambassadors can explain their proposal and/or express their possition on the actual ones. Best regards Francesco Ugolini -----Messaggio originario----- Da: Thomas Canniot A: fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com Inviati: Dom 28 Ott 2007 17:23 Oggetto: Re: R: [Ambassadors] The weekly ambassador meetings Le Sun, 28 Oct 2007 06:09:28 -0400, francescougolini at aol.it a ?crit : > > Ok, we can continue discussing this problem for days and days, but we > will never arrive to a conclusion if we will not focus on a real > (concrete) solution. That you don't do either. Thomas -- Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list ________________________________________________________________________ Email gratis per tutti su AOL! Scopri tutti i servizi gratuiti di AOL su AOL.it. From fab at fedoraproject.org Sun Oct 28 22:47:01 2007 From: fab at fedoraproject.org (Fabian Affolter) Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2007 23:47:01 +0100 Subject: [Ambassadors] The weekly ambassador meetings In-Reply-To: <472320A8.4010005@yahoo.fr> References: <460534.69548.qm@web53801.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <1193476239.3491.5.camel@F7NB.homenet.local> <47231304.1090607@fedoraproject.org> <1193483269.3491.7.camel@F7NB.homenet.local> <472320A8.4010005@yahoo.fr> Message-ID: <47251165.7070902@fedoraproject.org> pingou schrieb: > Gerold Kassube wrote: >> because the meeting of the french Ambassadors are in their native >> language, ... >> > Another reason would be that what is discussed on these meetings are > quite related to the french speaking community (we speak about the > association, the website, the french events...) and not only french > ambassador are present, but all the member of the community that wants > to be a bit more involved present on the community. > What I mean is that people not part of that community would I guess be > quite bored on these meeting. I was not talking about shifting that meeting. This meeting is a community meeting, maybe it's a possibility to held the regular ambassador meeting after that. Because the french ambassador are already online at this time :-) Because Fabian From tchung at fedoraproject.org Mon Oct 29 03:24:50 2007 From: tchung at fedoraproject.org (Thomas Chung) Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2007 20:24:50 -0700 Subject: [Ambassadors] The weekly ambassador meetings In-Reply-To: <47251165.7070902@fedoraproject.org> References: <460534.69548.qm@web53801.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <1193476239.3491.5.camel@F7NB.homenet.local> <47231304.1090607@fedoraproject.org> <1193483269.3491.7.camel@F7NB.homenet.local> <472320A8.4010005@yahoo.fr> <47251165.7070902@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <369bce3b0710282024l2eadfbebr2113b26d326f91d5@mail.gmail.com> It seems most of us are agreeing on the idea of monthly meeting. Great. I also like the idea of having regional group meetings by America, Europe and Asia at local times. Now, we need meeting leaders for each region. If you'd like be the leader for the regional group meeting just like French Ambassadors, please step up and let Fabian know. Fabian, please collect information from everyone who wants to be the leader the regional Ambassadors meeting and update our meeting wiki page accordingly[1]. Their meeting time could be determined by their leaders. BTW, I'm giving Fabian an executive power to form *whole* new way of having future Fedora Ambassadors meetings base on this conversation. In fact, please archive current wiki page[1] and create a new wiki page to start a new chapter. [1] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/Meetings Regards, -- Thomas Chung http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ThomasChung From francescougolini at aol.it Mon Oct 29 16:37:03 2007 From: francescougolini at aol.it (francescougolini at aol.it) Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2007 12:37:03 -0400 Subject: R: [Ambassadors] The weekly ambassador meetings In-Reply-To: <369bce3b0710282024l2eadfbebr2113b26d326f91d5@mail.gmail.com> References: <460534.69548.qm@web53801.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <1193476239.3491.5.camel@F7NB.homenet.local> <47231304.1090607@fedoraproject.org> <1193483269.3491.7.camel@F7NB.homenet.local> <472320A8.4010005@yahoo.fr> <47251165.7070902@fedoraproject.org> <369bce3b0710282024l2eadfbebr2113b26d326f91d5@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <8C9E86111F70D04-434-111E@FWM-M09.sysops.aol.com> Great! I think we can try this (concrete) solution. Regards Francesco Ugolini -----Messaggio originario----- Da: Thomas Chung A: fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com Inviati: Lun 29 Ott 2007 4:24 Oggetto: Re: [Ambassadors] The weekly ambassador meetings It seems most of us are agreeing on the idea of monthly meeting. Great. I also like the idea of having regional group meetings by America, Europe and Asia at local times. Now, we need meeting leaders for each region. If you'd like be the leader for the regional group meeting just like French Ambassadors, please step up and let Fabian know. Fabian, please collect information from everyone who wants to be the leader the regional Ambassadors meeting and update our meeting wiki page accordingly[1]. Their meeting time could be determined by their leaders. BTW, I'm giving Fabian an executive power to form *whole* new way of having future Fedora Ambassadors meetings base on this conversation. In fact, please archive current wiki page[1] and create a new wiki page to start a new chapter. [1] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/Meetings Regards, -- Thomas Chung http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ThomasChung -- Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list ________________________________________________________________________ Email gratis per tutti su AOL! Scopri tutti i servizi gratuiti di AOL su AOL.it. From francescougolini at aol.it Mon Oct 29 16:41:14 2007 From: francescougolini at aol.it (francescougolini at aol.it) Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2007 12:41:14 -0400 Subject: R: [Ambassadors] The weekly ambassador meetings In-Reply-To: <47251165.7070902@fedoraproject.org> References: <460534.69548.qm@web53801.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <1193476239.3491.5.camel@F7NB.homenet.local> <47231304.1090607@fedoraproject.org> <1193483269.3491.7.camel@F7NB.homenet.local> <472320A8.4010005@yahoo.fr> <47251165.7070902@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <8C9E861A7651129-434-116D@FWM-M09.sysops.aol.com> Fabian, i think that would be a great idea to organize an EMEA IRC meeting, as you and other europeans proposed: this will create a more unified european ambassadors group. Regards Francesco Ugolini -----Messaggio originario----- Da: Fabian Affolter A: fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com Inviati: Dom 28 Ott 2007 23:47 Oggetto: Re: [Ambassadors] The weekly ambassador meetings pingou schrieb: > Gerold Kassube wrote: >> because the meeting of the french Ambassadors are in their native >> language, ... >> > Another reason would be that what is discussed on these meetings are > quite related to the french speaking community (we speak about the > association, the website, the french events...) and not only french > ambassador are present, but all the member of the community that wants > to be a bit more involved present on the community. > What I mean is that people not part of that community would I guess be > quite bored on these meeting. I was not talking about shifting that meeting. This meeting is a community meeting, maybe it's a possibility to held the regular ambassador meeting after that. Because the french ambassador are already online at this time :-) Because Fabian -- Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list ________________________________________________________________________ Email gratis per tutti su AOL! Scopri tutti i servizi gratuiti di AOL su AOL.it. From marketing-list at fedoralinks.org Mon Oct 29 17:25:28 2007 From: marketing-list at fedoralinks.org (Robert 'Bob' Jensen) Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2007 12:25:28 -0500 Subject: [Ambassadors] The weekly ambassador meetings In-Reply-To: <47211D8E.60005@fedoraproject.org> References: <47211D8E.60005@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <47261788.1060306@fedoralinks.org> Fabian Affolter wrote: > Hi all, > > It's a long time ago...exactly during the presentation during the FAD at > Berlin I showed a slide (Page 7) [1]. This slide contains an overview > of some weekly meetings. After a short discussion about why are there > always a lot of European ambassadors at both time (FYI 22:00 UTC is > midnight in western europe). Someone suggested to split the meetings. > An European meeting at a pleasant moment...but now we can't split due to > lack of attendance. > > Since LinuxTag there were 18 meetings. 14 were canceled! > > Do we still need weekly meetings? Is it an overkill? Is it just a > waste of time? Today for me it was just wasting time. Three people > showed up. > > Are the reasons... > > - I don't care what the other ambassadors do. > - We have nothing to discuss. I don't know what to tell. > - South America is far away, I'm not interested in stuff from there. > - I have other stuff to do and can't take 30 min off. > - I live in the wrong time zone. > > I guess that there is no more any need for exchanging information > between the ambassadors about events and how stuff can be done because > everybody have enough experience to handle it. > > On the Join page [2] of the Ambassadors Project... > > Step 1. Participate in weekly meetings > > Perhaps it would be a good idea to remove that step. No meeting, no > possibility for a participation...FAMSco, this could be a topic for your > next meeting. For your half-yearly meeting ;-) > > Just my thoughts... > > Regards, > > Fabian > > [1] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FAD/FADLinuxTag2007 > [2] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/Join > > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list Personally I quit giving a crap about the ambassadors project and meetings when there was talk about throwing people out, creating a good ole boys club. As it appears this happened anyhow, only people were not thrown out they were just alienated. There are no events in my area of the US and quite honestly I do not have the resources to create one or travel more than an hour by car to get to one. The heavy activity of European Ambassadors does not help many of us in the US and perhaps other parts of the world because of cultural differences. It seams that the EU Ambassadors have no trouble traveling and taking time off of work to do something for the project, I on the other hand have a family to feed and a business to take care of. Robert 'Bob' Jensen From francescougolini at aol.it Tue Oct 30 10:09:43 2007 From: francescougolini at aol.it (francescougolini at aol.it) Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2007 06:09:43 -0400 Subject: R: [Ambassadors] The weekly ambassador meetings In-Reply-To: <47261788.1060306@fedoralinks.org> References: <47211D8E.60005@fedoraproject.org> <47261788.1060306@fedoralinks.org> Message-ID: <8C9E8F4205733C2-188-3751@WEBMAIL-DC05.sysops.aol.com> Nobody was trow out: we had a discussion and people said clearly they disagree completely with this proposal. So i think it couldn't really help the project trying to speculate using obsolete arguments: we have just to do what you want (freely) to do. Yes, yo may disagree with my idea, but i'm not an imperor (i'm an ambassador like you), i've just prosed some (costructive) discussions and, as you have seen, a lot of people join those ones and take their position (and they won). Another point. We don't want to make comparison between ambassadors, countries etc...: this isn't the right place and we know each person has different possibilities. So, I hope you will think about those words. We haven't fire anybody, we don't want to give a prize for the most active ambassadors' Country but we want people who are not angried, unsatisfied or just disappointed. Best regards Francesco Ugolini -----Messaggio originario----- Da: Robert 'Bob' Jensen A: fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com Inviati: Lun 29 Ott 2007 18:25 Oggetto: Re: [Ambassadors] The weekly ambassador meetings Fabian Affolter wrote:? > Hi all,? > > It's a long time ago...exactly during the presentation during the FAD at? > Berlin I showed a slide (Page 7) [1]. This slide contains an overview? > of some weekly meetings. After a short discussion about why are there? > always a lot of European ambassadors at both time (FYI 22:00 UTC is? > midnight in western europe). Someone suggested to split the meetings.? > An European meeting at a pleasant moment...but now we can't split due to? > lack of attendance.? > > Since LinuxTag there were 18 meetings. 14 were canceled!? > > Do we still need weekly meetings? Is it an overkill? Is it just a? > waste of time? Today for me it was just wasting time. Three people? > showed up.? > > Are the reasons...? > > - I don't care what the other ambassadors do.? > - We have nothing to discuss. I don't know what to tell.? > - South America is far away, I'm not interested in stuff from there.? > - I have other stuff to do and can't take 30 min off.? > - I live in the wrong time zone.? > > I guess that there is no more any need for exchanging information? > between the ambassadors about events and how stuff can be done because? > everybody have enough experience to handle it.? > > On the Join page [2] of the Ambassadors Project...? > > Step 1. Participate in weekly meetings? > > Perhaps it would be a good idea to remove that step. No meeting, no? > possibility for a participation...FAMSco, this could be a topic for your? > next meeting. For your half-yearly meeting ;-)? > > Just my thoughts...? > > Regards,? > > Fabian? > > [1] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FAD/FADLinuxTag2007? > [2] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/Join? > > --? > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list? > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com? > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list? ? Personally I quit giving a crap about the ambassadors project and meetings when there was talk about throwing people out, creating a good ole boys club. As it appears this happened anyhow, only people were not thrown out they were just alienated. There are no events in my area of the US and quite honestly I do not have the resources to create one or travel more than an hour by car to get to one. The heavy activity of European Ambassadors does not help many of us in the US and perhaps other parts of the world because of cultural differences. It seams that the EU Ambassadors have no trouble traveling and taking time off of work to do something for the project, I on the other hand have a family to feed and a business to take care of.? ? Robert 'Bob' Jensen? ? ? --? Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list? Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com? https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list? ________________________________________________________________________ Email gratis per tutti su AOL! Scopri tutti i servizi gratuiti di AOL su AOL.it. From polytropolis at gmail.com Tue Oct 30 13:21:58 2007 From: polytropolis at gmail.com (Claus Reheis) Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2007 14:21:58 +0100 Subject: R: [Ambassadors] The weekly ambassador meetings In-Reply-To: <8C9E8F4205733C2-188-3751@WEBMAIL-DC05.sysops.aol.com> References: <47211D8E.60005@fedoraproject.org> <47261788.1060306@fedoralinks.org> <8C9E8F4205733C2-188-3751@WEBMAIL-DC05.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <1193750518.16521.39.camel@laptop.site> Dear Francesco Ugolini! In the year 2006 was a small Linux Day in Tirol/Austria! Because I am am big fan of the Fedora distribution and the lack of any Fedora presence on that event, I thought about doing some advertisement for the Fedora Project! There was no way to get some nice Fedora stuff, without joining the Fedora Ambassador Project! So I did that and I do not regret it. But the meetings are at times, very hard for me to attend! I work in a hotel and at (14:00 UTC) 16:00 I have to work all the time. Sure I have a day off, but that day changes every season. The meetings at (22:00 UTC) 0:00 are very late, especially when you have to get up early... I am sure there are also other people in my situation! We have our lives, our obligations, our work and our families! So why do we not think about a way to communicate where people can attend when and if they want? A Ambassador forum where we communicate via threads independent from time,location and situation! If there are IRC meetings every month, and the meetings are hold on times I can attend, I will attend. And your proposal in the past to fire people from the Ambassador project, is imho just unconscionable. There are people like me, not involved in IT, wo have to work for their life, their family, attend their friends and little rest of the time to their hobbies!Maybe one of this hobby is Linux/Fedora. So if they advertise Fedora to everyone who is interested in Linux, talk about it and even go to local events and represent the Fedora Project, imho that is enought to be an ambassador! I am one of this kind and if you wish to fire someone, start with me. Claus Reheis On Tue, 2007-10-30 at 06:09 -0400, francescougolini at aol.it wrote: > Nobody was trow out: we had a discussion and people said clearly they > disagree completely with this proposal. > > So i think it couldn't really help the project trying to speculate > using obsolete arguments: we have just to do what you want (freely) to > do. > > Yes, yo may disagree with my idea, but i'm not an imperor (i'm an > ambassador like you), i've just prosed some (costructive) discussions > and, as you have seen, a lot of people join those ones and take their > position (and they won). > > Another point. We don't want to make comparison between ambassadors, > countries etc...: this isn't the right place and we know each person > has different possibilities. > > So, I hope you will think about those words. > > We haven't fire anybody, we don't want to give a prize for the most > active ambassadors' Country but we want people who are not angried, > unsatisfied or just disappointed. > > Best regards > > Francesco Ugolini > > > -----Messaggio originario----- > Da: Robert 'Bob' Jensen > A: fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > Inviati: Lun 29 Ott 2007 18:25 > Oggetto: Re: [Ambassadors] The weekly ambassador meetings > > > > > > > Fabian Affolter wrote: > > > Hi all, > > > > > It's a long time ago...exactly during the presentation during the FAD > at > > > Berlin I showed a slide (Page 7) [1]. This slide contains an > overview > > > of some weekly meetings. After a short discussion about why are > there > > > always a lot of European ambassadors at both time (FYI 22:00 UTC is > > > midnight in western europe). Someone suggested to split the > meetings. > > > An European meeting at a pleasant moment...but now we can't split due > to > > > lack of attendance. > > > > > Since LinuxTag there were 18 meetings. 14 were canceled! > > > > > Do we still need weekly meetings? Is it an overkill? Is it just a > > > waste of time? Today for me it was just wasting time. Three people > > > showed up. > > > > > Are the reasons... > > > > > - I don't care what the other ambassadors do. > > > - We have nothing to discuss. I don't know what to tell. > > > - South America is far away, I'm not interested in stuff from there. > > > - I have other stuff to do and can't take 30 min off. > > > - I live in the wrong time zone. > > > > > I guess that there is no more any need for exchanging information > > > between the ambassadors about events and how stuff can be done > because > > > everybody have enough experience to handle it. > > > > > On the Join page [2] of the Ambassadors Project... > > > > > Step 1. Participate in weekly meetings > > > > > Perhaps it would be a good idea to remove that step. No meeting, no > > > possibility for a participation...FAMSco, this could be a topic for > your > > > next meeting. For your half-yearly meeting ;-) > > > > > Just my thoughts... > > > > > Regards, > > > > > Fabian > > > > > [1] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FAD/FADLinuxTag2007 > > > [2] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/Join > > > > > -- > > > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > > > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > > > Personally I quit giving a crap about the ambassadors project and > meetings when there was talk about throwing people out, creating a good > ole boys club. As it appears this happened anyhow, only people were > not > thrown out they were just alienated. There are no events in my area of > the US and quite honestly I do not have the resources to create one or > travel more than an hour by car to get to one. The heavy activity of > European Ambassadors does not help many of us in the US and perhaps > other parts of the world because of cultural differences. It seams > that > the EU Ambassadors have no trouble traveling and taking time off of > work > to do something for the project, I on the other hand have a family to > feed and a business to take care of. > > > Robert 'Bob' Jensen > > > > > -- > > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > Email gratis per tutti su AOL! Scopri tutti i servizi gratuiti di AOL > su AOL.it. > > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list From francescougolini at aol.it Tue Oct 30 15:46:03 2007 From: francescougolini at aol.it (francescougolini at aol.it) Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2007 11:46:03 -0400 Subject: R: R: [Ambassadors] The weekly ambassador meetings In-Reply-To: <1193750518.16521.39.camel@laptop.site> References: <47211D8E.60005@fedoraproject.org> <47261788.1060306@fedoralinks.org> <8C9E8F4205733C2-188-3751@WEBMAIL-DC05.sysops.aol.com> <1193750518.16521.39.camel@laptop.site> Message-ID: <8C9E9231CB06BB0-A74-7B6B@WEBMAIL-MB16.sysops.aol.com> First of all i never proposed to fire people (i hope someone has understood this thing) and it wouldn't a proposal but a topic to start a serious discussion over the future of the project. I don't know where you have read the word "fire", "trown out" etc.... but as you know i want to help people not to create problems and frustrations or to force people doing something: ?I never thought to remove people from the project. ? And, please, stop this past (closed) discussion (see the Thomas Chung's Message to M-L for more information). I think the IRC weekly meetings are one of the place you can communicate with Ambassadors, but there are a lot of other tools like M-L and ?Ambassadors' EMAIL (in many ambassadors' wikis). As happened for the last Italian Linux Day many contributors, that weren't ambassadors, ask me for CDs. DVDs and similar stuffs, and personally i've tried to complete all the request. I f you need help you may contact one of you country's ambassador asking him to help you not only asking him materials but what you want. At the end we are here to do those things.? Hoping i've answered (completely) to your questions and staying avaiable for any other ones Francesco Ugolini -----Messaggio originario----- Da: Claus Reheis A: fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com Inviati: Mar 30 Ott 2007 14:21 Oggetto: Re: R: [Ambassadors] The weekly ambassador meetings Dear Francesco Ugolini! In the year 2006 was a small Linux Day in Tirol/Austria! Because I am am big fan of the Fedora distribution and the lack of any Fedora presence on that event, I thought about doing some advertisement for the Fedora Project! There was no way to get some nice Fedora stuff, without joining the Fedora Ambassador Project! So I did that and I do not regret it. But the meetings are at times, very hard for me to attend! I work in a hotel and at (14:00 UTC) 16:00 I have to work all the time. Sure I have a day off, but that day changes every season. The meetings at (22:00 UTC) 0:00 are very late, especially when you have to get up early... I am sure there are also other people in my situation! We have our lives, our obligations, our work and our families! So why do we not think about a way to communicate where people can attend when and if they want? A Ambassador forum where we communicate via threads independent from time,location and situation! If there are IRC meetings every month, and the meetings are hold on times I can attend, I will attend. And your proposal in the past to fire people from the Ambassador project, is imho just unconscionable. There are people like me, not involved in IT, wo have to work for their life, their family, attend their friends and little rest of the time to their hobbies!Maybe one of this hobby is Linux/Fedora. So if they advertise Fedora to everyone who is interested in Linux, talk about it and even go to local events and represent the Fedora Project, imho that is enought to be an ambassador! I am one of this kind and if you wish to fire someone, start with me. Claus Reheis On Tue, 2007-10-30 at 06:09 -0400, francescougolini at aol.it wrote: > Nobody was trow out: we had a discussion and people said clearly they > disagree completely with this proposal. > > So i think it couldn't really help the project trying to speculate > using obsolete arguments: we have just to do what you want (freely) to > do. > > Yes, yo may disagree with my idea, but i'm not an imperor (i'm an > ambassador like you), i've just prosed some (costructive) discussions > and, as you have seen, a lot of people join those ones and take their > position (and they won). > > Another point. We don't want to make comparison between ambassadors, > countries etc...: this isn't the right place and we know each person > has different possibilities. > > So, I hope you will think about those words. > > We haven't fire anybody, we don't want to give a prize for the most > active ambassadors' Country but we want people who are not angried, > unsatisfied or just disappointed. > > Best regards > > Francesco Ugolini > > > -----Messaggio originario----- > Da: Robert 'Bob' Jensen > A: fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > Inviati: Lun 29 Ott 2007 18:25 > Oggetto: Re: [Ambassadors] The weekly ambassador meetings > > > > > > > Fabian Affolter wrote: > > > Hi all, > > > > > It's a long time ago...exactly during the presentation during the FAD > at > > > Berlin I showed a slide (Page 7) [1]. This slide contains an > overview > > > of some weekly meetings. After a short discussion about why are > there > > > always a lot of European ambassadors at both time (FYI 22:00 UTC is > > > midnight in western europe). Someone suggested to split the > meetings. > > > An European meeting at a pleasant moment...but now we can't split due > to > > > lack of attendance. > > > > > Since LinuxTag there were 18 meetings. 14 were canceled! > > > > > Do we still need weekly meetings? Is it an overkill? Is it just a > > > waste of time? Today for me it was just wasting time. Three people > > > showed up. > > > > > Are the reasons... > > > > > - I don't care what the other ambassadors do. > > > - We have nothing to discuss. I don't know what to tell. > > > - South America is far away, I'm not interested in stuff from there. > > > - I have other stuff to do and can't take 30 min off. > > > - I live in the wrong time zone. > > > > > I guess that there is no more any need for exchanging information > > > between the ambassadors about events and how stuff can be done > because > > > everybody have enough experience to handle it. > > > > > On the Join page [2] of the Ambassadors Project... > > > > > Step 1. Participate in weekly meetings > > > > > Perhaps it would be a good idea to remove that step. No meeting, no > > > possibility for a participation...FAMSco, this could be a topic for > your > > > next meeting. For your half-yearly meeting ;-) > > > > > Just my thoughts... > > > > > Regards, > > > > > Fabian > > > > > [1] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FAD/FADLinuxTag2007 > > > [2] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/Join > > > > > -- > > > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > > > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > > > Personally I quit giving a crap about the ambassadors project and > meetings when there was talk about throwing people out, creating a good > ole boys club. As it appears this happened anyhow, only people were > not > thrown out they were just alienated. There are no events in my area of > the US and quite honestly I do not have the resources to create one or > travel more than an hour by car to get to one. The heavy activity of > European Ambassadors does not help many of us in the US and perhaps > other parts of the world because of cultural differences. It seams > that > the EU Ambassadors have no trouble traveling and taking time off of > work > to do something for the project, I on the other hand have a family to > feed and a business to take care of. > > > Robert 'Bob' Jensen > > > > > -- > > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > Email gratis per tutti su AOL! Scopri tutti i servizi gratuiti di AOL > su AOL.it. > > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list -- Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list ________________________________________________________________________ Email gratis per tutti su AOL! Scopri tutti i servizi gratuiti di AOL su AOL.it. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From polytropolis at gmail.com Tue Oct 30 17:03:47 2007 From: polytropolis at gmail.com (Claus Reheis) Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2007 18:03:47 +0100 Subject: R: R: [Ambassadors] The weekly ambassador meetings In-Reply-To: <8C9E9231CB06BB0-A74-7B6B@WEBMAIL-MB16.sysops.aol.com> References: <47211D8E.60005@fedoraproject.org> <47261788.1060306@fedoralinks.org> <8C9E8F4205733C2-188-3751@WEBMAIL-DC05.sysops.aol.com> <1193750518.16521.39.camel@laptop.site> <8C9E9231CB06BB0-A74-7B6B@WEBMAIL-MB16.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <1193763827.17625.4.camel@laptop.site> Hi! Are there similar projects like the Fedora Ambassadors in other distributions? (OpenSuse, Ubuntu...) How do they handle the communication? Maybe we should take a look how things are done there! Greetings, Claus On Tue, 2007-10-30 at 11:46 -0400, francescougolini at aol.it wrote: > First of all i never proposed to fire people (i hope someone has > understood this thing) and it wouldn't a proposal but a topic to start > a serious discussion over the future of the project. I don't know > where you have read the word "fire", "trown out" etc.... but as you > know i want to help people not to create problems and frustrations or > to force people doing something: I never thought to remove people > from the project. > > > And, please, stop this past (closed) discussion (see the Thomas > Chung's Message to M-L for more information). I am happy to do so! > > > > > > I think the IRC weekly meetings are one of the place you can > communicate with Ambassadors, but there are a lot of other tools like > M-L and Ambassadors' EMAIL (in many ambassadors' wikis). > > > As happened for the last Italian Linux Day many contributors, that > weren't ambassadors, ask me for CDs. DVDs and similar stuffs, and > personally i've tried to complete all the request. > > > I f you need help you may contact one of you country's ambassador > asking him to help you not only asking him materials but what you > want. At the end we are here to do those things. > > > > Hoping i've answered (completely) to your questions and staying > avaiable for any other ones > > > Francesco Ugolini > > > > > > -----Messaggio originario----- > Da: Claus Reheis > A: fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > Inviati: Mar 30 Ott 2007 14:21 > Oggetto: Re: R: [Ambassadors] The weekly ambassador meetings > > Dear Francesco Ugolini! > > In the year 2006 was a small Linux Day in Tirol/Austria! > Because I am am big fan of the Fedora distribution and the lack of > any Fedora presence on that event, I thought about doing some > advertisement for the Fedora Project! > There was no way to get some nice Fedora stuff, without joining the > Fedora Ambassador Project! > So I did that and I do not regret it. > > > But the meetings are at times, very hard for me to attend! > I work in a hotel and at (14:00 UTC) 16:00 I have to work all the time. > Sure I have a day off, but that day changes every season. > The meetings at (22:00 UTC) 0:00 are very late, especially when you have > to get up early... > > I am sure there are also other people in my situation! > We have our lives, our obligations, our work and our families! > So why do we not think about a way to communicate where people can > attend when and if they want? > A Ambassador forum where we communicate via threads independent from > time,location and situation! > > If there are IRC meetings every month, and the meetings are hold on > times I can attend, I will attend. > > And your proposal in the past to fire people from the Ambassador > project, is imho just unconscionable. > > There are people like me, not involved in IT, wo have to work for their > life, their family, attend their friends and little rest of the time > to their hobbies!Maybe one of this hobby is Linux/Fedora. > So if they advertise Fedora to everyone who is interested in Linux, > talk about it and even go to local events and represent the Fedora > Project, imho that is enought to be an ambassador! > > I am one of this kind and if you wish to fire someone, start with me. > > Claus Reheis > > On Tue, 2007-10-30 at 06:09 -0400, francescougolini at aol.it wrote: > > Nobody was trow out: we had a discussion and people said clearly they > > disagree completely with this proposal. > > > > So i think it couldn't really help the project trying to speculate > > using obsolete arguments: we have just to do what you want (freely) to > > do. > > > > Yes, yo may disagree with my idea, but i'm not an imperor (i'm an > > ambassador like you), i've just prosed some (costructive) discussions > > and, as you have seen, a lot of people join those ones and take their > > position (and they won). > > > > Another point. We don't want to make comparison between ambassadors, > > countries etc...: this isn't the right place and we know each person > > has different possibilities. > > > > So, I hope you will think about those words. > > > > We haven't fire anybody, we don't want to give a prize for the most > > active ambassadors' Country but we want people who are not angried, > > unsatisfied or just disappointed. > > > > Best regards > > > > Francesco Ugolini > > > > > > -----Messaggio originario----- > > Da: Robert 'Bob' Jensen > > A: fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > > Inviati: Lun 29 Ott 2007 18:25 > > Oggetto: Re: [Ambassadors] The weekly ambassador meetings > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Fabian Affolter wrote: > > > > > Hi all, > > > > > > > > It's a long time ago...exactly during the presentation during the FAD > > at > > > > > Berlin I showed a slide (Page 7) [1]. This slide contains an > > overview > > > > > of some weekly meetings. After a short discussion about why are > > there > > > > > always a lot of European ambassadors at both time (FYI 22:00 UTC is > > > > > midnight in western europe). Someone suggested to split the > > meetings. > > > > > An European meeting at a pleasant moment...but now we can't split due > > to > > > > > lack of attendance. > > > > > > > > Since LinuxTag there were 18 meetings. 14 were canceled! > > > > > > > > Do we still need weekly meetings? Is it an overkill? Is it just a > > > > > waste of time? Today for me it was just wasting time. Three people > > > > > showed up. > > > > > > > > Are the reasons... > > > > > > > > - I don't care what the other ambassadors do. > > > > > - We have nothing to discuss. I don't know what to tell. > > > > > - South America is far away, I'm not interested in stuff from there. > > > > > - I have other stuff to do and can't take 30 min off. > > > > > - I live in the wrong time zone. > > > > > > > > I guess that there is no more any need for exchanging information > > > > > between the ambassadors about events and how stuff can be done > > because > > > > > everybody have enough experience to handle it. > > > > > > > > On the Join page [2] of the Ambassadors Project... > > > > > > > > Step 1. Participate in weekly meetings > > > > > > > > Perhaps it would be a good idea to remove that step. No meeting, no > > > > > possibility for a participation...FAMSco, this could be a topic for > > your > > > > > next meeting. For your half-yearly meeting ;-) > > > > > > > > Just my thoughts... > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > Fabian > > > > > > > > [1] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FAD/FADLinuxTag2007 > > > > > [2] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/Join > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > > > > > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > > > > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > > > > > > Personally I quit giving a crap about the ambassadors project and > > meetings when there was talk about throwing people out, creating a good > > ole boys club. As it appears this happened anyhow, only people were > > not > > thrown out they were just alienated. There are no events in my area of > > the US and quite honestly I do not have the resources to create one or > > travel more than an hour by car to get to one. The heavy activity of > > European Ambassadors does not help many of us in the US and perhaps > > other parts of the world because of cultural differences. It seams > > that > > the EU Ambassadors have no trouble traveling and taking time off of > > work > > to do something for the project, I on the other hand have a family to > > feed and a business to take care of. > > > > > > Robert 'Bob' Jensen > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > > > > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > > > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > > Email gratis per tutti su AOL! Scopri tutti i servizi gratuiti di AOL > > su AOL.it. > > > > -- > > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Email gratis per tutti su AOL! Scopri tutti i servizi gratuiti di AOL > su AOL.it. > > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list From francescougolini at aol.it Tue Oct 30 17:20:57 2007 From: francescougolini at aol.it (francescougolini at aol.it) Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2007 13:20:57 -0400 Subject: R: R: R: [Ambassadors] The weekly ambassador meetings In-Reply-To: <1193763827.17625.4.camel@laptop.site> References: <47211D8E.60005@fedoraproject.org> <47261788.1060306@fedoralinks.org> <8C9E8F4205733C2-188-3751@WEBMAIL-DC05.sysops.aol.com> <1193750518.16521.39.camel@laptop.site> <8C9E9231CB06BB0-A74-7B6B@WEBMAIL-MB16.sysops.aol.com> <1193763827.17625.4.camel@laptop.site> Message-ID: <8C9E9305E5768E6-DC4-47B@WEBMAIL-MB16.sysops.aol.com> Actually only Fedora has its Ambassadoring project, yeah, the other ones use to roganize events etc... without having a specific project. ? As i know the following project use those systems: - Ubuntu: there is an internet form where everybody can ask for CDs (for events more than 1) - Gnome: there is (only for Gnome contributors) a box that you can request for a specific event and then give them back. Generally people send email to pojects' leaders, local contributors etc... This is what I know about the other project, probably someone in the list will know more solutions. Regards Francesco Ugolini -----Messaggio originario----- Da: Claus Reheis A: fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com Inviati: Mar 30 Ott 2007 18:03 Oggetto: Re: R: R: [Ambassadors] The weekly ambassador meetings Hi! Are there similar projects like the Fedora Ambassadors in other distributions? (OpenSuse, Ubuntu...) How do they handle the communication? Maybe we should take a look how things are done there! Greetings, Claus On Tue, 2007-10-30 at 11:46 -0400, francescougolini at aol.it wrote: > First of all i never proposed to fire people (i hope someone has > understood this thing) and it wouldn't a proposal but a topic to start > a serious discussion over the future of the project. I don't know > where you have read the word "fire", "trown out" etc.... but as you > know i want to help people not to create problems and frustrations or > to force people doing something: I never thought to remove people > from the project. > > > And, please, stop this past (closed) discussion (see the Thomas > Chung's Message to M-L for more information). I am happy to do so! > > > > > > I think the IRC weekly meetings are one of the place you can > communicate with Ambassadors, but there are a lot of other tools like > M-L and Ambassadors' EMAIL (in many ambassadors' wikis). > > > As happened for the last Italian Linux Day many contributors, that > weren't ambassadors, ask me for CDs. DVDs and similar stuffs, and > personally i've tried to complete all the request. > > > I f you need help you may contact one of you country's ambassador > asking him to help you not only asking him materials but what you > want. At the end we are here to do those things. > > > > Hoping i've answered (completely) to your questions and staying > avaiable for any other ones > > > Francesco Ugolini > > > > > > -----Messaggio originario----- > Da: Claus Reheis > A: fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > Inviati: Mar 30 Ott 2007 14:21 > Oggetto: Re: R: [Ambassadors] The weekly ambassador meetings > > Dear Francesco Ugolini! > > In the year 2006 was a small Linux Day in Tirol/Austria! > Because I am am big fan of the Fedora distribution and the lack of > any Fedora presence on that event, I thought about doing some > advertisement for the Fedora Project! > There was no way to get some nice Fedora stuff, without joining the > Fedora Ambassador Project! > So I did that and I do not regret it. > > > But the meetings are at times, very hard for me to attend! > I work in a hotel and at (14:00 UTC) 16:00 I have to work all the time. > Sure I have a day off, but that day changes every season. > The meetings at (22:00 UTC) 0:00 are very late, especially when you have > to get up early... > > I am sure there are also other people in my situation! > We have our lives, our obligations, our work and our families! > So why do we not think about a way to communicate where people can > attend when and if they want? > A Ambassador forum where we communicate via threads independent from > time,location and situation! > > If there are IRC meetings every month, and the meetings are hold on > times I can attend, I will attend. > > And your proposal in the past to fire people from the Ambassador > project, is imho just unconscionable. > > There are people like me, not involved in IT, wo have to work for their > life, their family, attend their friends and little rest of the time > to their hobbies!Maybe one of this hobby is Linux/Fedora. > So if they advertise Fedora to everyone who is interested in Linux, > talk about it and even go to local events and represent the Fedora > Project, imho that is enought to be an ambassador! > > I am one of this kind and if you wish to fire someone, start with me. > > Claus Reheis > > On Tue, 2007-10-30 at 06:09 -0400, francescougolini at aol.it wrote: > > Nobody was trow out: we had a discussion and people said clearly they > > disagree completely with this proposal. > > > > So i think it couldn't really help the project trying to speculate > > using obsolete arguments: we have just to do what you want (freely) to > > do. > > > > Yes, yo may disagree with my idea, but i'm not an imperor (i'm an > > ambassador like you), i've just prosed some (costructive) discussions > > and, as you have seen, a lot of people join those ones and take their > > position (and they won). > > > > Another point. We don't want to make comparison between ambassadors, > > countries etc...: this isn't the right place and we know each person > > has different possibilities. > > > > So, I hope you will think about those words. > > > > We haven't fire anybody, we don't want to give a prize for the most > > active ambassadors' Country but we want people who are not angried, > > unsatisfied or just disappointed. > > > > Best regards > > > > Francesco Ugolini > > > > > > -----Messaggio originario----- > > Da: Robert 'Bob' Jensen > > A: fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > > Inviati: Lun 29 Ott 2007 18:25 > > Oggetto: Re: [Ambassadors] The weekly ambassador meetings > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Fabian Affolter wrote: > > > > > Hi all, > > > > > > > > It's a long time ago...exactly during the presentation during the FAD > > at > > > > > Berlin I showed a slide (Page 7) [1]. This slide contains an > > overview > > > > > of some weekly meetings. After a short discussion about why are > > there > > > > > always a lot of European ambassadors at both time (FYI 22:00 UTC is > > > > > midnight in western europe). Someone suggested to split the > > meetings. > > > > > An European meeting at a pleasant moment...but now we can't split due > > to > > > > > lack of attendance. > > > > > > > > Since LinuxTag there were 18 meetings. 14 were canceled! > > > > > > > > Do we still need weekly meetings? Is it an overkill? Is it just a > > > > > waste of time? Today for me it was just wasting time. Three people > > > > > showed up. > > > > > > > > Are the reasons... > > > > > > > > - I don't care what the other ambassadors do. > > > > > - We have nothing to discuss. I don't know what to tell. > > > > > - South America is far away, I'm not interested in stuff from there. > > > > > - I have other stuff to do and can't take 30 min off. > > > > > - I live in the wrong time zone. > > > > > > > > I guess that there is no more any need for exchanging information > > > > > between the ambassadors about events and how stuff can be done > > because > > > > > everybody have enough experience to handle it. > > > > > > > > On the Join page [2] of the Ambassadors Project... > > > > > > > > Step 1. Participate in weekly meetings > > > > > > > > Perhaps it would be a good idea to remove that step. No meeting, no > > > > > possibility for a participation...FAMSco, this could be a topic for > > your > > > > > next meeting. For your half-yearly meeting ;-) > > > > > > > > Just my thoughts... > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > Fabian > > > > > > > > [1] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FAD/FADLinuxTag2007 > > > > > [2] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/Join > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > > > > > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > > > > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > > > > > > Personally I quit giving a crap about the ambassadors project and > > meetings when there was talk about throwing people out, creating a good > > ole boys club. As it appears this happened anyhow, only people were > > not > > thrown out they were just alienated. There are no events in my area of > > the US and quite honestly I do not have the resources to create one or > > travel more than an hour by car to get to one. The heavy activity of > > European Ambassadors does not help many of us in the US and perhaps > > other parts of the world because of cultural differences. It seams > > that > > the EU Ambassadors have no trouble traveling and taking time off of > > work > > to do something for the project, I on the other hand have a family to > > feed and a business to take care of. > > > > > > Robert 'Bob' Jensen > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > > > > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > > > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > > Email gratis per tutti su AOL! 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URL: From gdk at redhat.com Tue Oct 30 17:27:56 2007 From: gdk at redhat.com (Greg DeKoenigsberg) Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2007 13:27:56 -0400 (EDT) Subject: R: R: R: [Ambassadors] The weekly ambassador meetings In-Reply-To: <8C9E9305E5768E6-DC4-47B@WEBMAIL-MB16.sysops.aol.com> References: <47211D8E.60005@fedoraproject.org> <47261788.1060306@fedoralinks.org> <8C9E8F4205733C2-188-3751@WEBMAIL-DC05.sysops.aol.com> <1193750518.16521.39.camel@laptop.site> <8C9E9231CB06BB0-A74-7B6B@WEBMAIL-MB16.sysops.aol.com> <1193763827.17625.4.camel@laptop.site> <8C9E9305E5768E6-DC4-47B@WEBMAIL-MB16.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 30 Oct 2007, francescougolini at aol.it wrote: > Actually only Fedora has its Ambassadoring project, yeah, the other ones > use to roganize events etc... without having a specific project. ? > > - Ubuntu: there is an internet form where everybody can ask for CDs (for > events more than 1) I don't think we'll ever have the budget to do that. It's a disadvantage for us, yes, but one we have to live with. > - Gnome: there is (only for Gnome contributors) a box that you can > request for a specific event and then give them back. Now this is something I think we *should* be able to do. --g -- Greg DeKoenigsberg Community Development Manager Red Hat, Inc. :: 1-919-754-4255 "To whomsoever much hath been given... ...from him much shall be asked" From polytropolis at gmail.com Tue Oct 30 17:45:51 2007 From: polytropolis at gmail.com (Claus Reheis) Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2007 18:45:51 +0100 Subject: R: R: R: [Ambassadors] The weekly ambassador meetings In-Reply-To: References: <47211D8E.60005@fedoraproject.org> <47261788.1060306@fedoralinks.org> <8C9E8F4205733C2-188-3751@WEBMAIL-DC05.sysops.aol.com> <1193750518.16521.39.camel@laptop.site> <8C9E9231CB06BB0-A74-7B6B@WEBMAIL-MB16.sysops.aol.com> <1193763827.17625.4.camel@laptop.site> <8C9E9305E5768E6-DC4-47B@WEBMAIL-MB16.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <1193766351.17625.9.camel@laptop.site> Hi! On Tue, 2007-10-30 at 13:27 -0400, Greg DeKoenigsberg wrote: > On Tue, 30 Oct 2007, francescougolini at aol.it wrote: > > > Actually only Fedora has its Ambassadoring project, yeah, the other ones > > use to roganize events etc... without having a specific project. > > > > - Ubuntu: there is an internet form where everybody can ask for CDs (for > > events more than 1) > > I don't think we'll ever have the budget to do that. It's a disadvantage > for us, yes, but one we have to live with. Understandable! > > > - Gnome: there is (only for Gnome contributors) a box that you can > > request for a specific event and then give them back. > > Now this is something I think we *should* be able to do. What kind of equipment do I need to produce nice Fedora DVDs? Is GNU/Linux able to work with LightScribe technology? > > --g > > -- > Greg DeKoenigsberg > Community Development Manager > Red Hat, Inc. :: 1-919-754-4255 > "To whomsoever much hath been given... > ...from him much shall be asked" > -- Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list Claus From polytropolis at gmail.com Tue Oct 30 17:52:57 2007 From: polytropolis at gmail.com (Claus Reheis) Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2007 18:52:57 +0100 Subject: [Ambassadors] The weekly ambassador meetings In-Reply-To: <8C9E9305E5768E6-DC4-47B@WEBMAIL-MB16.sysops.aol.com> References: <47211D8E.60005@fedoraproject.org> <47261788.1060306@fedoralinks.org> <8C9E8F4205733C2-188-3751@WEBMAIL-DC05.sysops.aol.com> <1193750518.16521.39.camel@laptop.site> <8C9E9231CB06BB0-A74-7B6B@WEBMAIL-MB16.sysops.aol.com> <1193763827.17625.4.camel@laptop.site> <8C9E9305E5768E6-DC4-47B@WEBMAIL-MB16.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <1193766777.17625.17.camel@laptop.site> Thanks for the quick answer! On Tue, 2007-10-30 at 13:20 -0400, francescougolini at aol.it wrote: > Actually only Fedora has its Ambassadoring project, yeah, the other > ones use to roganize events etc... without having a specific project. > > > > As i know the following project use those systems: > > > - Ubuntu: there is an internet form where everybody can ask for CDs > (for events more than 1) > > > - Gnome: there is (only for Gnome contributors) a box that you can > request for a specific event and then give them back. > > > Generally people send email to pojects' leaders, local contributors > etc... > > > This is what I know about the other project, probably someone in the > list will know more solutions. > > > Regards > > > Francesco Ugolini There must be a way beside IRC and Mailing-lists where people can contribute their ideas and questions independent from time and location! In my opinion a forum style board would be something to think about! There I can just log in, look whats going on, see what is needed and contribute when I have time to do it! Claus > > > -----Messaggio originario----- > Da: Claus Reheis > A: fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > Inviati: Mar 30 Ott 2007 18:03 > Oggetto: Re: R: R: [Ambassadors] The weekly ambassador meetings > > Hi! > > Are there similar projects like the Fedora Ambassadors in other > distributions? (OpenSuse, Ubuntu...) > How do they handle the communication? > Maybe we should take a look how things are done there! > > Greetings, > Claus > > On Tue, 2007-10-30 at 11:46 -0400, francescougolini at aol.it wrote: > > First of all i never proposed to fire people (i hope someone has > > understood this thing) and it wouldn't a proposal but a topic to start > > a serious discussion over the future of the project. I don't know > > where you have read the word "fire", "trown out" etc.... but as you > > know i want to help people not to create problems and frustrations or > > to force people doing something: I never thought to remove people > > from the project. > > > > > > And, please, stop this past (closed) discussion (see the Thomas > > Chung's Message to M-L for more information). > I am happy to do so! > > > > > > > > > > > > I think the IRC weekly meetings are one of the place you can > > communicate with Ambassadors, but there are a lot of other tools like > > M-L and Ambassadors' EMAIL (in many ambassadors' wikis). > > > > > > As happened for the last Italian Linux Day many contributors, that > > weren't ambassadors, ask me for CDs. DVDs and similar stuffs, and > > personally i've tried to complete all the request. > > > > > > I f you need help you may contact one of you country's ambassador > > asking him to help you not only asking him materials but what you > > want. At the end we are here to do those things. > > > > > > > > Hoping i've answered (completely) to your questions and staying > > avaiable for any other ones > > > > > > Francesco Ugolini > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Messaggio originario----- > > Da: Claus Reheis > > A: fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > > Inviati: Mar 30 Ott 2007 14:21 > > Oggetto: Re: R: [Ambassadors] The weekly ambassador meetings > > > > Dear Francesco Ugolini! > > > > In the year 2006 was a small Linux Day in Tirol/Austria! > > Because I am am big fan of the Fedora distribution and the lack of > > any Fedora presence on that event, I thought about doing some > > advertisement for the Fedora Project! > > There was no way to get some nice Fedora stuff, without joining the > > Fedora Ambassador Project! > > So I did that and I do not regret it. > > > > > > But the meetings are at times, very hard for me to attend! > > I work in a hotel and at (14:00 UTC) 16:00 I have to work all the time. > > Sure I have a day off, but that day changes every season. > > The meetings at (22:00 UTC) 0:00 are very late, especially when you have > > to get up early... > > > > I am sure there are also other people in my situation! > > We have our lives, our obligations, our work and our families! > > So why do we not think about a way to communicate where people can > > attend when and if they want? > > A Ambassador forum where we communicate via threads independent from > > time,location and situation! > > > > If there are IRC meetings every month, and the meetings are hold on > > times I can attend, I will attend. > > > > And your proposal in the past to fire people from the Ambassador > > project, is imho just unconscionable. > > > > There are people like me, not involved in IT, wo have to work for their > > life, their family, attend their friends and little rest of the time > > to their hobbies!Maybe one of this hobby is Linux/Fedora. > > So if they advertise Fedora to everyone who is interested in Linux, > > talk about it and even go to local events and represent the Fedora > > Project, imho that is enought to be an ambassador! > > > > I am one of this kind and if you wish to fire someone, start with me. > > > > Claus Reheis > > > > On Tue, 2007-10-30 at 06:09 -0400, francescougolini at aol.it wrote: > > > Nobody was trow out: we had a discussion and people said clearly they > > > disagree completely with this proposal. > > > > > > So i think it couldn't really help the project trying to speculate > > > using obsolete arguments: we have just to do what you want (freely) to > > > do. > > > > > > Yes, yo may disagree with my idea, but i'm not an imperor (i'm an > > > ambassador like you), i've just prosed some (costructive) discussions > > > and, as you have seen, a lot of people join those ones and take their > > > position (and they won). > > > > > > Another point. We don't want to make comparison between ambassadors, > > > countries etc...: this isn't the right place and we know each person > > > has different possibilities. > > > > > > So, I hope you will think about those words. > > > > > > We haven't fire anybody, we don't want to give a prize for the most > > > active ambassadors' Country but we want people who are not angried, > > > unsatisfied or just disappointed. > > > > > > Best regards > > > > > > Francesco Ugolini > > > > > > > > > -----Messaggio originario----- > > > Da: Robert 'Bob' Jensen > > > A: fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > > > Inviati: Lun 29 Ott 2007 18:25 > > > Oggetto: Re: [Ambassadors] The weekly ambassador meetings > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Fabian Affolter wrote: > > > > > > > Hi all, > > > > > > > > > > > It's a long time ago...exactly during the presentation during the FAD > > > at > > > > > > > Berlin I showed a slide (Page 7) [1]. This slide contains an > > > overview > > > > > > > of some weekly meetings. After a short discussion about why are > > > there > > > > > > > always a lot of European ambassadors at both time (FYI 22:00 UTC is > > > > > > > midnight in western europe). Someone suggested to split the > > > meetings. > > > > > > > An European meeting at a pleasant moment...but now we can't split due > > > to > > > > > > > lack of attendance. > > > > > > > > > > > Since LinuxTag there were 18 meetings. 14 were canceled! > > > > > > > > > > > Do we still need weekly meetings? Is it an overkill? Is it just a > > > > > > > waste of time? Today for me it was just wasting time. Three people > > > > > > > showed up. > > > > > > > > > > > Are the reasons... > > > > > > > > > > > - I don't care what the other ambassadors do. > > > > > > > - We have nothing to discuss. I don't know what to tell. > > > > > > > - South America is far away, I'm not interested in stuff from there. > > > > > > > - I have other stuff to do and can't take 30 min off. > > > > > > > - I live in the wrong time zone. > > > > > > > > > > > I guess that there is no more any need for exchanging information > > > > > > > between the ambassadors about events and how stuff can be done > > > because > > > > > > > everybody have enough experience to handle it. > > > > > > > > > > > On the Join page [2] of the Ambassadors Project... > > > > > > > > > > > Step 1. Participate in weekly meetings > > > > > > > > > > > Perhaps it would be a good idea to remove that step. No meeting, no > > > > > > > possibility for a participation...FAMSco, this could be a topic for > > > your > > > > > > > next meeting. For your half-yearly meeting ;-) > > > > > > > > > > > Just my thoughts... > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > Fabian > > > > > > > > > > > [1] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FAD/FADLinuxTag2007 > > > > > > > [2] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/Join > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > > > > > > > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > > > > > > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > > > > > > > > > Personally I quit giving a crap about the ambassadors project and > > > meetings when there was talk about throwing people out, creating a good > > > ole boys club. As it appears this happened anyhow, only people were > > > not > > > thrown out they were just alienated. There are no events in my area of > > > the US and quite honestly I do not have the resources to create one or > > > travel more than an hour by car to get to one. The heavy activity of > > > European Ambassadors does not help many of us in the US and perhaps > > > other parts of the world because of cultural differences. It seams > > > that > > > the EU Ambassadors have no trouble traveling and taking time off of > > > work > > > to do something for the project, I on the other hand have a family to > > > feed and a business to take care of. > > > > > > > > > Robert 'Bob' Jensen > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > > > > > > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > > > > > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > > > Email gratis per tutti su AOL! Scopri tutti i servizi gratuiti di AOL > > > su AOL.it. > > > > > > -- > > > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > > > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > > > > -- > > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > > Email gratis per tutti su AOL! Scopri tutti i servizi gratuiti di AOL > > su AOL.it. > > > > -- > > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Email gratis per tutti su AOL! Scopri tutti i servizi gratuiti di AOL > su AOL.it. > > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list From fab at fedoraproject.org Tue Oct 30 22:59:26 2007 From: fab at fedoraproject.org (Fabian Affolter) Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2007 23:59:26 +0100 Subject: [Ambassadors] The weekly ambassador meetings In-Reply-To: <1193766777.17625.17.camel@laptop.site> References: <47211D8E.60005@fedoraproject.org> <47261788.1060306@fedoralinks.org> <8C9E8F4205733C2-188-3751@WEBMAIL-DC05.sysops.aol.com> <1193750518.16521.39.camel@laptop.site> <8C9E9231CB06BB0-A74-7B6B@WEBMAIL-MB16.sysops.aol.com> <1193763827.17625.4.camel@laptop.site> <8C9E9305E5768E6-DC4-47B@WEBMAIL-MB16.sysops.aol.com> <1193766777.17625.17.camel@laptop.site> Message-ID: <4727B74E.1050701@fedoraproject.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hi all, Back to the topic. After the discussions around the weekly Ambassadors Meeting [1] we are going to make a reorganization. This should improve the quality and the efficiency of the meetings. Now, I know that not everybody agrees that IRC Ambassadors Meetings are the right way. I like FADs much more than IRC meetings. But as long as the financial resources us not allow to hold every month a FAD somewhere on earth we have to do it online. Most important changes - - one meeting a month (I hope to start in December with a large attendance :-) ) - - we divide the world into three areas - North and South America - APAC and all other countries in this time zone - EMEA and all other countries in this time zone - - the meetings will be during the evening (local time) - - we are looking forward to have for every region a leader and a co-leader. The points to discuss are the topics which you are interest in. There will be separate email about the talking points. Just as a little input. It's up to YOU to make the Ambassadors Program as strong as it was in the beginning and give again more weight to it inside the Fedora Project. I know in the beginning everything was better and the ambassadors program was the heart of several other activities. But now it's the present, we are a large group (maybe the largest) and we should show this. I guess that nobody want to lose everything we have build up in the past due to lack of communication between all participants. Regards, Fabian [1] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/Meetings -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFHJ7dO4jzS3TakOX8RAvwxAKCNev1jCN/4dEZX5XkM9RJJcFpwvQCfUco6 /RW5mKjqJWrVL5T7xviA53A= =K6xx -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From fab at fedoraproject.org Tue Oct 30 23:08:51 2007 From: fab at fedoraproject.org (Fabian Affolter) Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2007 00:08:51 +0100 Subject: [Ambassadors] Leader for the monthly meetings Message-ID: <4727B983.7040904@fedoraproject.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hi all, We need for all three areas a leader and a co-leader or a replacement for the new monthly Ambassadors Meeting. The leader hasn't to do all stuff alone, of course. She/He is the person in charge about the meeting but she/he can delegate the issues to ambassadors how are able to help in the same region. Your mission will be: First part - - Fix the time for the meeting in your region. Keep the wishes of your ambassadors in mind, please. - - Fix the day (check [1] for free time slots) - - Invite all persons in your area to participate and everything else in your head... Second part - - Collect the topic for the meeting - - Send a reminder for the meeting - - Update the wiki page - - Chair during the meetings - - Create a summary and the IRC log and everything which I forgot right now All volunteers are welcome. Take the opportunity to bring your area forward and become one of the meeting leaders. I hope that we will have leaders for all three parts of the world within two weeks. Regards, Fabian [1] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Meetings -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFHJ7mD4jzS3TakOX8RAvUdAJ44kBUK0Gc3QVBaOvu0rvtGIMJPXwCcCBuF ObBig2GzehhcX/en/7Hspe8= =aZbc -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From matthiaskranz at gmx.de Wed Oct 31 07:52:39 2007 From: matthiaskranz at gmx.de (Matthias Kranz) Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2007 08:52:39 +0100 Subject: R: R: R: [Ambassadors] The weekly ambassador meetings In-Reply-To: <1193766351.17625.9.camel@laptop.site> References: <47211D8E.60005@fedoraproject.org> <47261788.1060306@fedoralinks.org> <8C9E8F4205733C2-188-3751@WEBMAIL-DC05.sysops.aol.com> <1193750518.16521.39.camel@laptop.site> <8C9E9231CB06BB0-A74-7B6B@WEBMAIL-MB16.sysops.aol.com> <1193763827.17625.4.camel@laptop.site> <8C9E9305E5768E6-DC4-47B@WEBMAIL-MB16.sysops.aol.com> <1193766351.17625.9.camel@laptop.site> Message-ID: <1193817159.5746.14.camel@dhcp-0-189.muc.redhat.com> On Tue, 2007-10-30 at 18:45 +0100, Claus Reheis wrote: > On Tue, 2007-10-30 at 13:27 -0400, Greg DeKoenigsberg wrote: > > Now this is something I think we *should* be able to do. > What kind of equipment do I need to produce nice Fedora DVDs? Hmm. What does the "event box" have to do with producing nice Fedora DVDs? The event box is thought to provide all the necessary equipment for a typical event, e.g. a TFT, laptops or mini computers, maybe a mini beamer, some collateral, some ... > Is GNU/Linux able to work with LightScribe technology? http://www.lightscribe.com will let you download an RPM. Cheers, Matthias -- Matthias Kranz Fedora Ambassador mkranz at fedoraproject.org http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/MatthiasKranz From matthiaskranz at gmx.de Wed Oct 31 07:10:07 2007 From: matthiaskranz at gmx.de (Matthias Kranz) Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2007 08:10:07 +0100 Subject: R: R: R: [Ambassadors] The weekly ambassador meetings In-Reply-To: References: <47211D8E.60005@fedoraproject.org> <47261788.1060306@fedoralinks.org> <8C9E8F4205733C2-188-3751@WEBMAIL-DC05.sysops.aol.com> <1193750518.16521.39.camel@laptop.site> <8C9E9231CB06BB0-A74-7B6B@WEBMAIL-MB16.sysops.aol.com> <1193763827.17625.4.camel@laptop.site> <8C9E9305E5768E6-DC4-47B@WEBMAIL-MB16.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <1193814607.5746.8.camel@dhcp-0-189.muc.redhat.com> On Tue, 2007-10-30 at 13:27 -0400, Greg DeKoenigsberg wrote: > On Tue, 30 Oct 2007, francescougolini at aol.it wrote: > > - Ubuntu: there is an internet form where everybody can ask for CDs (for > > events more than 1) > > I don't think we'll ever have the budget to do that. It's a disadvantage > for us, yes, but one we have to live with. Hmm. Greg, in our Red Hat Cool Stuff Store in EMEA we offer the Fedora 7 DVDs for *external* customers for only 0,90? which is roughly 1,25US$. I may tell you that it is far cheaper for internal people. So, basically, if we really wanted to, I am pretty sure that we could organize something ... even without corporate funding. > > - Gnome: there is (only for Gnome contributors) a box that you can > > request for a specific event and then give them back. > > Now this is something I think we *should* be able to do. This is something which I would really like to support! We probably would need one box for every interested region. Matthias -- Matthias Kranz Fedora Ambassador mkranz at fedoraproject.org http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/MatthiasKranz From gerold at lugd.org Wed Oct 31 10:30:18 2007 From: gerold at lugd.org (Gerold) Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2007 11:30:18 +0100 (CET) Subject: R: R: R: [Ambassadors] The weekly ambassador meetings In-Reply-To: <1193814607.5746.8.camel@dhcp-0-189.muc.redhat.com> References: <47211D8E.60005@fedoraproject.org> <47261788.1060306@fedoralinks.org> <8C9E8F4205733C2-188-3751@WEBMAIL-DC05.sysops.aol.com> <1193750518.16521.39.camel@laptop.site> <8C9E9231CB06BB0-A74-7B6B@WEBMAIL-MB16.sysops.aol.com> <1193763827.17625.4.camel@laptop.site> <8C9E9305E5768E6-DC4-47B@WEBMAIL-MB16.sysops.aol.com> <1193814607.5746.8.camel@dhcp-0-189.muc.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1249.193.80.55.114.1193826618.squirrel@www.gbc.net> > On Tue, 2007-10-30 at 13:27 -0400, Greg DeKoenigsberg wrote: >> On Tue, 30 Oct 2007, francescougolini at aol.it wrote: >> > - Ubuntu: there is an internet form where everybody can ask for CDs >> (for >> > events more than 1) >> >> I don't think we'll ever have the budget to do that. It's a >> disadvantage >> for us, yes, but one we have to live with. > > Hmm. Greg, in our Red Hat Cool Stuff Store in EMEA we offer the Fedora 7 > DVDs for *external* customers for only 0,90??? which is roughly 1,25US$. I > may tell you that it is far cheaper for internal people. So, basically, > if we really wanted to, I am pretty sure that we could organize > something ... even without corporate funding. ^^ It's a topic on the FAD EMEA November 2007, owned by Joerg Simon who will show and tell what we'll do in EMEA ... http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FAD/FADEMEA2007 > >> > - Gnome: there is (only for Gnome contributors) a box that you can >> > request for a specific event and then give them back. >> >> Now this is something I think we *should* be able to do. > > This is something which I would really like to support! We probably > would need one box for every interested region. ^^ ... also a topic on the next FAD, owned by Fabian Affolter to present it to all ... http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FAD/FADEMEA2007 Matthias, can't you attend? Haven't you got the invitation? Let me know, I will also invite you (again) ... regards Gerold From linux at elfshadow.net Wed Oct 31 12:18:46 2007 From: linux at elfshadow.net (Jeffrey Tadlock) Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2007 08:18:46 -0400 Subject: R: R: R: [Ambassadors] The weekly ambassador meetings In-Reply-To: <1193814607.5746.8.camel@dhcp-0-189.muc.redhat.com> References: <47211D8E.60005@fedoraproject.org> <47261788.1060306@fedoralinks.org> <8C9E8F4205733C2-188-3751@WEBMAIL-DC05.sysops.aol.com> <1193750518.16521.39.camel@laptop.site> <8C9E9231CB06BB0-A74-7B6B@WEBMAIL-MB16.sysops.aol.com> <1193763827.17625.4.camel@laptop.site> <8C9E9305E5768E6-DC4-47B@WEBMAIL-MB16.sysops.aol.com> <1193814607.5746.8.camel@dhcp-0-189.muc.redhat.com> Message-ID: <10e0a9b00710310518g55313c3m8d7f8b3a44fc3f4@mail.gmail.com> On 10/31/07, Matthias Kranz wrote: > > > - Gnome: there is (only for Gnome contributors) a box that you can > > > request for a specific event and then give them back. > > > > Now this is something I think we *should* be able to do. > > This is something which I would really like to support! We probably > would need one box for every interested region. I started the following page quite some time ago: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/EventBox It has a start to what should be in a box and people have added things to the page - including building a personal event box for individuals to use at events for themselves. --Jeffrey From matthiaskranz at gmx.de Wed Oct 31 12:20:53 2007 From: matthiaskranz at gmx.de (Matthias Kranz) Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2007 13:20:53 +0100 Subject: R: R: R: [Ambassadors] The weekly ambassador meetings In-Reply-To: <1249.193.80.55.114.1193826618.squirrel@www.gbc.net> References: <47211D8E.60005@fedoraproject.org> <47261788.1060306@fedoralinks.org> <8C9E8F4205733C2-188-3751@WEBMAIL-DC05.sysops.aol.com> <1193750518.16521.39.camel@laptop.site> <8C9E9231CB06BB0-A74-7B6B@WEBMAIL-MB16.sysops.aol.com> <1193763827.17625.4.camel@laptop.site> <8C9E9305E5768E6-DC4-47B@WEBMAIL-MB16.sysops.aol.com> <1193814607.5746.8.camel@dhcp-0-189.muc.redhat.com> <1249.193.80.55.114.1193826618.squirrel@www.gbc.net> Message-ID: <1193833253.5746.29.camel@dhcp-0-189.muc.redhat.com> On Wed, 2007-10-31 at 11:30 +0100, Gerold wrote: > > On Tue, 2007-10-30 at 13:27 -0400, Greg DeKoenigsberg wrote: > > > I don't think we'll ever have the budget to do that. It's a > > > disadvantage for us, yes, but one we have to live with. > > > > Hmm. Greg, in our Red Hat Cool Stuff Store in EMEA we offer the Fedora 7 > > DVDs for *external* customers for only 0,90??? which is roughly 1,25US$. I > > may tell you that it is far cheaper for internal people. So, basically, > > if we really wanted to, I am pretty sure that we could organize > > something ... even without corporate funding. > ^^ > It's a topic on the FAD EMEA November 2007, owned by Joerg Simon who will > show and tell what we'll do in EMEA ... > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FAD/FADEMEA2007 Hmm. Cannot see it there? I only see that you want to talk about a WebShop. This is not what Greg and I were talking about. It was about whether to provide a real free media program or not. And I used the Red Hat EMEA Cool Stuff Store offering as an example for how cheap it could be to produce and offer the DVDs. Such a program could be funded by Red Hat (according to Greg this is not probable) or just by other willing parties. Matthias -- Matthias Kranz http://mkr.oerks.de From polytropolis at gmail.com Wed Oct 31 14:25:17 2007 From: polytropolis at gmail.com (Claus Reheis) Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2007 15:25:17 +0100 Subject: R: R: R: [Ambassadors] The weekly ambassador meetings In-Reply-To: <1193817159.5746.14.camel@dhcp-0-189.muc.redhat.com> References: <47211D8E.60005@fedoraproject.org> <47261788.1060306@fedoralinks.org> <8C9E8F4205733C2-188-3751@WEBMAIL-DC05.sysops.aol.com> <1193750518.16521.39.camel@laptop.site> <8C9E9231CB06BB0-A74-7B6B@WEBMAIL-MB16.sysops.aol.com> <1193763827.17625.4.camel@laptop.site> <8C9E9305E5768E6-DC4-47B@WEBMAIL-MB16.sysops.aol.com> <1193766351.17625.9.camel@laptop.site> <1193817159.5746.14.camel@dhcp-0-189.muc.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1193840717.26722.3.camel@laptop.site> Hi! On Wed, 2007-10-31 at 08:52 +0100, Matthias Kranz wrote: > On Tue, 2007-10-30 at 18:45 +0100, Claus Reheis wrote: > > On Tue, 2007-10-30 at 13:27 -0400, Greg DeKoenigsberg wrote: > > > Now this is something I think we *should* be able to do. > > What kind of equipment do I need to produce nice Fedora DVDs? > > Hmm. What does the "event box" have to do with producing nice Fedora > DVDs? The event box is thought to provide all the necessary equipment > for a typical event, e.g. a TFT, laptops or mini computers, maybe a mini > beamer, some collateral, some ... Ah, I did not know the term "event box"! Thanks for the explanation! > > > Is GNU/Linux able to work with LightScribe technology? > > http://www.lightscribe.com will let you download an RPM. > > Cheers, > Matthias Claus