From red at fedoraproject.org Mon Dec 1 00:20:26 2008 From: red at fedoraproject.org (Sandro "red" Mathys) Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2008 01:20:26 +0100 Subject: [Ambassadors] FAmSCo Election: Town Hall Time/Date In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <49332DCA.6080405@fedoraproject.org> Francesco Ugolini wrote: > Tell me the date/time you prefer. Since I broke my right hand at FAD EMEA, I'm not good at typing until end of the year...but I'm not working due to this and therefore any time/date should work for me. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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A part of Anime Oasis (another convention).It's basically a gathering of people who are rather into Manga (japanese comics), Anime (japanese cartoons), and things like that. I am there as a Dealer for Outpost 12, where I have usually the latest Fedora DVDs available for people to purchase for $4.However, sense we are at the convention, I am giving them away. So I guess what I'm looking at is, more of a "do you really know what your talking about?" or some Linux Trivia.Of course anything Fedora Project related or Linux community related is awesome too. Thanks! 2008/11/28 Larry Cafiero Robert -- Question: What is Tomodachi (Japanese for "friends") Fest? It'd help to know to provide questions. Larry Cafiero 2008/11/28 Robert Wright Hey Ambassadors!I'm giving away DVD copys of Fedora 10 Install Media and Live Media at Tomodachi Fest inside the Holiday Inn Convention Center! I just have one question!What would be good trivia to ask people to get a DVD? Thanks guys!I'll be there if any one is interested Tonight, Tomorrow, and Sunday anytime the Dealer's Room is open! (kid with the red hair and Fedora badge on) -- Robert W. Wright -- Idaho, USA - Fedora Ambassador Fedora Project -- CEO & Director of labs.aurohack// AuroHack Group LLC -- [208] 392.7698 - mobile r.wright at aurohack.com -- Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list -- Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list -- Robert W. Wright -- Idaho, USA - Fedora Ambassador Fedora Project -- CEO & Director of labs.aurohack// AuroHack Group LLC -- [208] 392.7698 - mobile r.wright at aurohack.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From thinklinux.ssh at gmail.com Mon Dec 1 02:05:23 2008 From: thinklinux.ssh at gmail.com (susmit shannigrahi) Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 07:35:23 +0530 Subject: [Ambassadors] Release Party in Nepal today In-Reply-To: References: <1227902909.21176.33.camel@localhost.localdomain> <775aa32d0811282349u61549450nb88883e3cae20b06@mail.gmail.com> <116089960811301212r4735a634m42d753f6a0749100@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Mon, Dec 1, 2008 at 1:46 AM, Francesco Ugolini wrote: > 2008/11/30 Shankar Pokharel : >> The party was rocking. Pls read about it at: The pictures says it all...wow!!! -- Regards, Susmit. ============================================= ssh 0x86DD170A http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/user:susmit ============================================= From thinklinux.ssh at gmail.com Mon Dec 1 04:37:22 2008 From: thinklinux.ssh at gmail.com (susmit shannigrahi) Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 10:07:22 +0530 Subject: [Ambassadors] Media for Indian ambassadors. Accepted list. Message-ID: Hi all, This[1] is the list of Indian Ambassadors who has requested F10 media, and we are going to ship shortly. I have checked a number of times, but if there is any mistake, please let me know immediately. If you have requested media but your name is not here also let me know. This is the final list, and probably I can not accept requests after this. [1] http://susmit.fedorapeople.org/ambassadors/media_requests.pdf Thanks. -- Regards, Susmit. ============================================= ssh 0x86DD170A http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/user:susmit ============================================= From sanjay.ankur at gmail.com Mon Dec 1 05:03:12 2008 From: sanjay.ankur at gmail.com (ankur sinha) Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 10:33:12 +0530 Subject: [Ambassadors] Re: [fedora-india] Media for Indian ambassadors. Accepted list. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5d5765800811302103h135f9329y566ac777d91745f3@mail.gmail.com> On Mon, Dec 1, 2008 at 10:07 AM, susmit shannigrahi < thinklinux.ssh at gmail.com> wrote: > Hi all, > > This[1] is the list of Indian Ambassadors who has requested F10 media, > and we are going to ship shortly. > > I have checked a number of times, but if there is any mistake, please > let me know immediately. > If you have requested media but your name is not here also let me know. > > This is the final list, and probably I can not accept requests after this. > > [1] http://susmit.fedorapeople.org/ambassadors/media_requests.pdf > > Thanks. > > -- > Regards, > Susmit. > > ============================================= > ssh > 0x86DD170A > http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/user:susmit > ============================================= > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-india mailing list > Fedora-india at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-india > hi, the list has Manipal written next to my name.. I had requested for them to be sent to Dhanbad since we have vacations at the time.. > Ankur Sinha > C/o Dr.S.K.Sinha > Madhuri Cardiac Care and Maternity, > katras Road, Matkuria, Vikas Nagar > Bank More, Dhanbad 826001 > Jharkhand > ph 9431191607 Is it possible to send them here please? regards, Ankur -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From thinklinux.ssh at gmail.com Mon Dec 1 05:06:36 2008 From: thinklinux.ssh at gmail.com (susmit shannigrahi) Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 10:36:36 +0530 Subject: [Ambassadors] Re: [fedora-india] Media for Indian ambassadors. Accepted list. In-Reply-To: <5d5765800811302103h135f9329y566ac777d91745f3@mail.gmail.com> References: <5d5765800811302103h135f9329y566ac777d91745f3@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: > hi, > > the list has Manipal written next to my name.. Yep, I guess that is what your base is i.e you are going to operate mostly from there. Are not you? >I had requested for them to > be sent to Dhanbad since we have vacations at the time.. It is being shipped to dhanbad. For obvious reason, we can not make the addresses public. Hence the misunderstanding. -- Regards, Susmit. ============================================= ssh 0x86DD170A http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/user:susmit ============================================= From mahayalamkhan at gmail.com Mon Dec 1 06:30:05 2008 From: mahayalamkhan at gmail.com (mak) Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 12:30:05 +0600 Subject: [Ambassadors] Release Party in Nepal today In-Reply-To: <116089960811301212r4735a634m42d753f6a0749100@mail.gmail.com> References: <1227902909.21176.33.camel@localhost.localdomain> <775aa32d0811282349u61549450nb88883e3cae20b06@mail.gmail.com> <116089960811301212r4735a634m42d753f6a0749100@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: 2008/12/1 Shankar Pokharel > The party was rocking. Pls read about it at: > > > http://memshankar.wordpress.com/2008/11/29/fedora-10-cambridge-release-party-in-nepal/ > > -Shankar > Excellent! Your party is great. The Rangoli is great. Thanks for sharing, this will help me for my event. Regards Mahay Alam Khan gpg key: 4FDD30FB Fedora Ambassador Bangladesh -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From sanjay.ankur at gmail.com Mon Dec 1 06:55:46 2008 From: sanjay.ankur at gmail.com (sanjay.ankur at gmail.com) Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2008 06:55:46 +0000 Subject: [Ambassadors] Re: Re: [fedora-india] Media for Indian ambassadors. Accepted list. Message-ID: <001485f3be624f5234045cf6b39c@google.com> On Dec 1, 2008 10:36am, susmit shannigrahi wrote: > > hi, > > > > > > the list has Manipal written next to my name.. > > > > Yep, I guess that is what your base is ie you are going to operate > > mostly from there. > > Are not you? > > > > >I had requested for them to > > > be sent to Dhanbad since we have vacations at the time.. > > > > It is being shipped to dhanbad. > > For obvious reason, we can not make the addresses public. > > Hence the misunderstanding. > > > > > > > > -- > > Regards, > > Susmit. > > > > ============================================= > > ssh > > 0x86DD170A > > http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/user:susmit > > ============================================= > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Fedora-india mailing list > > Fedora-india at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-india > > hi, Yeah.. Manipal is base until Im in college.. 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Message-ID: <20081201090309.35117.qmail@f5mail-237-242.rediffmail.com> ?hi i need fedora 10 DVD, guide me to request the media and if u can add my name also in the current request list On Mon, 01 Dec 2008 susmit shannigrahi wrote : >Hi all, > >This[1] is the list of Indian Ambassadors who has requested F10 media, >and we are going to ship shortly. > >I have checked a number of times, but if there is any mistake, please >let me know immediately. >If you have requested media but your name is not here also let me know. > >This is the final list, and probably I can not accept requests after this. > >[1] http://susmit.fedorapeople.org/ambassadors/media_requests.pdf > >Thanks. > >-- >Regards, >Susmit. > >============================================= >ssh >0x86DD170A >http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/user:susmit >============================================= > >-- >Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list >Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From aks at fedoraproject.org Mon Dec 1 10:57:23 2008 From: aks at fedoraproject.org (Abhishek Singh) Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2008 16:42:23 +0545 Subject: [Ambassadors] Release Party in Nepal today In-Reply-To: References: <1227902909.21176.33.camel@localhost.localdomain> <775aa32d0811282349u61549450nb88883e3cae20b06@mail.gmail.com> <116089960811301212r4735a634m42d753f6a0749100@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4933C313.3070307@fedoraproject.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 mak wrote: > 2008/12/1 Shankar Pokharel > >> The party was rocking. Pls read about it at: >> >> >> http://memshankar.wordpress.com/2008/11/29/fedora-10-cambridge-release-party-in-nepal/ >> >> -Shankar >> > > Excellent! Your party is great. The Rangoli is great. Thanks for sharing, > this will help me for my event. > > Regards > Mahay Alam Khan > gpg key: 4FDD30FB > Fedora Ambassador Bangladesh > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list Yeah. The event was rocking indeed. The media coverage in one of the Nepal's biggest TV network added to our success. At this moment we're positioning the Fedora market among students and media. Very soon we're planning to hit other market segments as well. Regards, Abhishek Singh -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkkzwxIACgkQyGHFRSEWVk/ehQCfbyrepgYN1DfH99Ec/SfMOmeA XbAAoI6vW4tJdka8YdrulnD6okoK51yj =RxcK -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From memshankar at gmail.com Mon Dec 1 11:33:16 2008 From: memshankar at gmail.com (Shankar Pokharel) Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 17:18:16 +0545 Subject: [Ambassadors] Release Party in Nepal today In-Reply-To: <4933C313.3070307@fedoraproject.org> References: <1227902909.21176.33.camel@localhost.localdomain> <775aa32d0811282349u61549450nb88883e3cae20b06@mail.gmail.com> <116089960811301212r4735a634m42d753f6a0749100@mail.gmail.com> <4933C313.3070307@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <116089960812010333i441bbca0r6eb4f372ac7dab63@mail.gmail.com> On 12/1/08, Abhishek Singh wrote: > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > > mak wrote: > > 2008/12/1 Shankar Pokharel > > > >> The party was rocking. Pls read about it at: > >> > >> > >> > > http://memshankar.wordpress.com/2008/11/29/fedora-10-cambridge-release-party-in-nepal/ > >> > >> -Shankar > >> > > > > Excellent! Your party is great. The Rangoli is great. Thanks for sharing, > > this will help me for my event. > > > > Regards > > Mahay Alam Khan > > gpg key: 4FDD30FB > > Fedora Ambassador Bangladesh > > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > -- > > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > > Yeah. The event was rocking indeed. The media coverage in one of the > Nepal's biggest TV network added to our success. Here's the YouTube video of the coverage recorded directly from the TV broadcast. It's in Nepali language. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vjp1SHw9QPI -Shankar At this moment we're > positioning the Fedora market among students and media. 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URL: From inode0 at gmail.com Mon Dec 1 14:26:03 2008 From: inode0 at gmail.com (inode0) Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 08:26:03 -0600 Subject: [Ambassadors] FAmNA Meeting Summary from 2008-11-26 Message-ID: * Announcements - F10 released - woohoo * Tasks [https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/NA/Tasks] * BarCamps - David Nalley discussed an initiative to improve the presence of Fedora at BarCamps across North America. http://barcamp.org/#USA Some discussion followed about formulating clear, quantifiable goals for North America with BarCamp participation as an example. More discussion of this is planned followed by a proposal for ambassadors for Q4 activities. * Finding Events - David Nalley raised some questions about how ambassadors go about finding events to participate in and whether we can assist that process in some way (it is a rather ad hoc and haphazard process currently). * Flyover State Campaign - David Nalley presented a new initiative to target pockets of North America that lack any Fedora presence to try to begin building a Fedora community in those geographic locations. The idea is to fund a couple of ambassadors to travel several times to these locations to work on community building. Looking for some good candidate locations now. * FUDcon/FADNA planning discussion was briefly revisited. * Open Street Map - Yaakov Nemoy reported about his ongoing work with OSM and BarCamp experiences related to that work. One of the interesting points in this discussion was the importance of thinking about how a community that you build will survive and grow on its own after you leave it. * Open Floor I would again like to thank all the participants, especially the new ambassadors joining us for the first time tonight. From inode0 at gmail.com Mon Dec 1 14:27:13 2008 From: inode0 at gmail.com (inode0) Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 08:27:13 -0600 Subject: [Ambassadors] FAmNA Meeting Minutes from 2008-11-26 Message-ID: (08:00:37 PM) inode0: FAmNA Roll Call (08:00:42 PM) ***ke4qqq is here (08:00:49 PM) ***DemonJester present (08:00:57 PM) ***ianweller isn't here (08:01:21 PM) inode0: hey, he was supposed to bring the cake (08:02:16 PM) inode0: Ok, lack of quorum doesn't phase inode0 (08:02:27 PM) ke4qqq: me either (08:02:27 PM) inode0: any announcements? (08:02:33 PM) ke4qqq: ! (08:02:36 PM) inode0: go (08:02:38 PM) ke4qqq: F10 was released today :) (08:02:41 PM) DemonJester: Fedora 10 was released :) (08:02:41 PM) ke4qqq: eof (08:02:42 PM) inode0: oh yeah (08:02:47 PM) DemonJester: lol (08:03:08 PM) ***inode0 is installing F10 on mini9 right now (08:03:25 PM) inode0: Task List Review (08:03:53 PM) inode0: Nothing is scheduled to be reported on tonight, I encourage others to add tasks to the list to help tracking (08:04:17 PM) inode0: Barcamps - ke4qqq has the floor (08:04:28 PM) ke4qqq: ok, so I'd direct your attention to: (08:04:38 PM) ke4qqq: http://barcamp.org/#USA (08:05:07 PM) ke4qqq: so there are a ton of barcamps coming up - (08:05:22 PM) ke4qqq: and to date we are only going to be at one, and I'd like that to change (08:05:41 PM) ke4qqq: soooooo....what can we do to incite others to action? (08:06:09 PM) inode0: don't suppose that one is in Boston is it? (08:06:15 PM) ke4qqq: no (08:06:23 PM) ke4qqq: it's in charlotte- fudcon doesn't count (08:07:02 PM) inode0: oh, a bunch of those are health camps (08:07:27 PM) ke4qqq: yeah some of them aren't applicable..... (08:08:00 PM) ke4qqq: yet we have ambassadors in dallas and we missed the one that's going on there today (08:08:03 PM) inode0: I know someone is STL I can poke about that one (08:08:18 PM) ke4qqq: harrisburg is coming up (08:08:23 PM) ke4qqq: and we have people near there (08:08:33 PM) DemonJester: I am working on getting to that one if possible (08:08:38 PM) ke4qqq: ummmm (08:08:44 PM) ke4qqq: we'd rather have you at fudcon though (08:08:52 PM) ke4qqq: (sorry that one caveat) (08:09:00 PM) DemonJester: oops forgot about that... ;) (08:09:18 PM) ke4qqq: but TX and CA are full of them (08:09:42 PM) ke4qqq: loupgaroublond just attended one in PA iirc (08:10:20 PM) ke4qqq: but regardless lots of opportunity there, how do we make this something people are excited about? (08:10:53 PM) ke4qqq: ohhh perhaps we should mention money and fame......money to sponsor the barcamp (they typically want nothing) (08:11:19 PM) ke4qqq: for instance we are the sole sponsor of BarCamp Charlotte, (or will be after Dec 1) and it cost us 250 (08:12:59 PM) ke4qqq: I suppose if no one else has anything then we can move on. (08:13:05 PM) DemonJester: we need to press those ambassadors on the ground in CA and TX and explain the importance of these to them (08:13:11 PM) inode0: this is the sort of thing where I think a group goal and tracking progress toward it might be good, although it won't motivate everyone who isn't generally excited about the ambassador program (08:13:31 PM) ke4qqq: so whats our goal this quarter (08:13:36 PM) ke4qqq: Dec 1 til Feb 28? (08:13:53 PM) ke4qqq: can we do 3? (08:14:02 PM) DemonJester: I was thinking the same number (08:14:07 PM) DemonJester: 2 to 3 (08:14:10 PM) inode0: I have only thought about goal setting for the group more abstractly to be honest (08:14:37 PM) ke4qqq: lets go with three (08:14:54 PM) inode0: If we have 50 ambassadors we should have a goal of 50 presentations or something, X barcamps, Y universities, and so on (08:15:19 PM) inode0: if we have 6 ambassadors then well, we do what we can (08:15:33 PM) ke4qqq: 6? (08:15:38 PM) ke4qqq: where does that number come from? (08:15:44 PM) inode0: I'm just picking numbers out of thin air (08:15:45 PM) ke4qqq: yes, but goals are useful. (08:16:18 PM) ***DemonJester agrees (08:16:24 PM) inode0: the idea is to motivate a large group to contribute a little and see it as part of the whole (08:16:40 PM) ke4qqq: yes, but the large group doesn't exist yet (08:16:48 PM) ke4qqq: and a barcamp is REALLY low barrier to entry (08:16:55 PM) inode0: which is why I said if we have 6 ... (08:17:01 PM) ke4qqq: lcafiero: ping (08:17:11 PM) ke4qqq: lcafiero: http://barcamp.org/BeaverBarCampII (08:18:10 PM) ke4qqq: nm that date changed (08:18:14 PM) ke4qqq: ok, ready to move on? (08:18:48 PM) inode0: how about we consider setting some goals for Q3, and try to track toward them? (08:19:00 PM) ke4qqq: +1 (08:19:04 PM) DemonJester: +1 (08:19:05 PM) inode0: one can be get more ambassadors :) (08:19:05 PM) ke4qqq: what goals do we want from NA (08:19:21 PM) ke4qqq: lets make it quantifiable goals.....more is vauge (08:19:23 PM) ke4qqq: vague (08:19:33 PM) inode0: exactly, we want numbers (08:19:53 PM) inode0: how many ambassadors do you think we have now? (08:20:13 PM) inode0: Who we can actually reach out to for help? (08:20:20 PM) ke4qqq: a dozen (08:20:27 PM) ke4qqq: that aren't rh employees (08:20:40 PM) inode0: Goal 1: double that number next quarter (08:21:00 PM) ke4qqq: thank you for avoiding the word that must not be uttered (08:21:01 PM) ke4qqq: :) (08:21:13 PM) DemonJester: lol I was waiting for it... (08:21:59 PM) inode0: ok, let's brainstorm out of the meeting about this and get some concrete goals that will challenge us but that are attainable (08:22:29 PM) ke4qqq: I think meeting time is great for goal setting (08:22:30 PM) inode0: Shall we move on? (08:22:38 PM) ke4qqq: I'd rather stay here a moment if we can (08:22:39 PM) ***DemonJester suggest doing it on the ml (08:22:57 PM) DemonJester: that way other not able to make the meetings can chime in (08:22:58 PM) inode0: Can we schedule it as a topic of discussion next week? (08:23:08 PM) ***ke4qqq defers (08:23:08 PM) DemonJester: sure (08:23:18 PM) inode0: we can formulate something, propose it on the list? (08:23:26 PM) inode0: let it evolve (08:23:59 PM) inode0: ok, I'll put that on the agenda for next week (08:24:11 PM) inode0: Finding events - ke4qqq (08:24:31 PM) ke4qqq: so how do we go about finding events now? (08:25:15 PM) ***inode0 is guilty of not actively searching for them (08:25:26 PM) DemonJester: lugs, linux mags, lists, at least that is what I am currently doing (08:25:31 PM) ke4qqq: so am I....but... (08:25:44 PM) ke4qqq: lugs are great, esp for smaller events, but really high SNR (08:25:53 PM) ke4qqq: wait that's really low SNR (08:26:35 PM) ke4qqq: so Debian (and I am sure ubuntu and other have mailing lists for events (08:26:42 PM) ke4qqq: OOo has a mailing list for events (08:27:21 PM) ke4qqq: that'd probably be worth subscribing. (08:27:30 PM) ke4qqq: http://lists.debian.org/debian-events-na/ (08:27:32 PM) DemonJester: I have been subscribed to Debian for awhile. (08:28:29 PM) ke4qqq: lets think about what else we can do to find events, I feel like we miss a ton, esp small local stuff (08:29:52 PM) ke4qqq: I am done with that (08:29:53 PM) DemonJester: small local stuff really ends up on the lug lists but as mentioned low SNR (08:30:00 PM) ke4qqq: if no one else has anything (08:30:11 PM) DemonJester: at least here they do. (08:30:21 PM) ke4qqq: same here (08:30:55 PM) ***inode0 is recruiting barcamper in another channel so slightly distracted (08:31:02 PM) DemonJester: not sure where else to look (08:31:05 PM) inode0: Flyover state campaign - ke4qqq (08:31:19 PM) ke4qqq: k (08:31:37 PM) ke4qqq: soooo there seem to be pockets of Fedora throughout the country - and then nothing (08:31:59 PM) ***lcafiero finishes his exam and joins the meeting already in progress. (08:32:01 PM) ke4qqq: GA and TN come to mind - I am aware of no Ambassadors or contributors at all in either of those states. (08:32:06 PM) ke4qqq: welcome lcafiero (08:33:04 PM) ke4qqq: soooo (08:33:09 PM) DemonJester: so what are you proposing ke4qqq (08:33:41 PM) ke4qqq: I talked with GDK about attacking some of these states, esp after vwbusguys statement that he had lots of time, but might need reimbursement. (08:33:55 PM) ke4qqq: GDK thought that we could do the travel expenses thing (08:34:13 PM) ke4qqq: so I'd like to pick a couple of states to start 'attacking' (08:34:30 PM) ke4qqq: and build up a Fedora presence (not necessarily Ambassadors) (08:34:55 PM) ke4qqq: thoughts? (08:35:02 PM) ke4qqq: any pet states we want to attack (08:35:09 PM) DemonJester: could this be another goal for the quarter? (08:35:36 PM) ke4qqq: it could be, but I'd like to know what quantifiable measure we use to say we were successful (08:35:42 PM) ke4qqq: showing up in three states doesn't do it for me (08:35:51 PM) DemonJester: agrees (08:35:57 PM) ke4qqq: neither does a number of meetings (08:36:11 PM) ke4qqq: I hate to say number of contributors or something like that....but.... (08:36:24 PM) ***lcafiero plans an invasion of Nevada (08:36:40 PM) XulChris: im from nevada (08:36:42 PM) DemonJester: if RH is footing the bill for this they will want to see the success as well (08:36:49 PM) lcafiero: Oh, then never mind. (08:37:02 PM) XulChris: im not an ambassador though (08:37:14 PM) DemonJester: you are now ;) (08:37:17 PM) XulChris: hehe (08:37:25 PM) DemonJester: see that was easy :) (08:37:33 PM) lcafiero: heh (08:37:34 PM) DemonJester: next state.. (08:37:38 PM) ke4qqq: lol (08:37:42 PM) ***DemonJester sorry (08:38:13 PM) DemonJester: seriously. do you have a projected number in mind? (08:38:14 PM) lcafiero: question to ke4qqq (08:38:16 PM) ke4qqq: ears burning? (08:38:40 PM) lcafiero: Do we know which states are lacking in presence? (08:38:43 PM) ke4qqq: I'd like to see us in 2 states at least....and making concerted efforts (08:39:06 PM) ke4qqq: I'd jokingly say anything other than NC and MA...but it's not that bad off (08:39:40 PM) inode0: picking a small number like 2 or 3 to try I think makes good sense (08:39:41 PM) ke4qqq: to my knowledge basically the entire SE excepting VA, NC, SC (08:40:12 PM) ***DemonJester apologizes ahead of time for my next question as I probably should know this but (08:40:26 PM) DemonJester: what about NE? (08:40:41 PM) DemonJester: anyone in Maine, Vermont, etc that you know of? (08:40:47 PM) inode0: NE has rdieter, right? (08:40:55 PM) ke4qqq: ummm MA is pretty good, NY seems ok, PA has a good number of folks....aside from that I don't know (08:41:16 PM) DemonJester: so you know as much as I do then.. I dont feel so bad now. (08:42:12 PM) ke4qqq: hard to know what you don't know (08:42:13 PM) inode0: NE probably didn't mean Nebraska there, did it? :) (08:42:32 PM) DemonJester: no it was NorthEast but that is ok ;) (08:42:32 PM) ke4qqq: plus the statistics are pretty far and few between - you know people are there because you know them..... (08:43:21 PM) inode0: question: can vwbusguy and whoever goes with him find two states to test? (08:43:26 PM) inode0: that they can manage? (08:43:35 PM) ke4qqq: he was supposed to have states staked out already (08:43:44 PM) ke4qqq: but I want to open it up to others as well.... (08:43:53 PM) ke4qqq: it's not a vwbusguy mission (08:43:53 PM) inode0: how many? (08:43:57 PM) ke4qqq: at least not alone (08:44:08 PM) loupgaroublond: i see my name mentioned..., hi folks (08:44:13 PM) ke4qqq: as many as will step up (08:44:17 PM) inode0: I understand (08:44:22 PM) ke4qqq: hi loupgaroublond we were talking about your barcamp experience (08:44:25 PM) loupgaroublond: ah (08:44:34 PM) loupgaroublond: any comments? questions? (08:44:36 PM) ke4qqq: and how we want to do more barcamps (08:44:42 PM) loupgaroublond: ah (08:44:44 PM) ke4qqq: yes - did you speak (08:44:47 PM) ke4qqq: and what on (08:44:50 PM) ke4qqq: and what was the reaction (08:44:52 PM) loupgaroublond: give me a minute or two, and then we can talk if you have time :) (08:45:04 PM) DemonJester: as much as I dont like doing it, perhaps a plea to the lists looking for unknown ambassadors in said states? (08:45:06 PM) loupgaroublond: but in short, yes, on OpenStretMap, and well received (08:45:07 PM) ke4qqq: ok, no rush. (08:45:09 PM) loupgaroublond: and i'll brb (08:45:11 PM) inode0: however having someone work a couple states for a while, report back, we all learn and can do it without repeating things that aren't effective (08:45:20 PM) inode0: that was my thinking anyway (08:45:40 PM) ke4qqq: well the first question in my mind is how we attack (08:46:02 PM) ke4qqq: I think it's more effective to pick out a neighboring state and make repeated disparate forays (08:46:14 PM) ke4qqq: than it is to say spend a week in $state (08:46:33 PM) DemonJester: agrees ^^ (08:46:40 PM) lcafiero: +1 (08:49:47 PM) inode0: are we finished with this? any more discussion? (08:49:51 PM) ***ke4qqq is eof on the subject unless someone has something more (08:50:17 PM) inode0: ok, I have a couple short comments to begin the open floor (08:50:26 PM) lcafiero: I only have two neighboring states, Nev. and Ore., and the latter seems to be covered. (08:50:47 PM) lcafiero: I'd be willing to go to Nev. if need be (08:51:10 PM) inode0: 1 - FUDcon for the F12 release is hoofies up at SELF (08:51:25 PM) inode0: timing just won't work for that (08:51:50 PM) ***ke4qqq laughs at 'hoofies up' having never heard that before (08:51:52 PM) inode0: we have been encouraged to still do something (mini-FUDcon perhaps) at the event (08:51:59 PM) loupgaroublond: and i'm back (08:52:24 PM) inode0: 2 - FADNA @ SELF? (08:52:36 PM) inode0: what do people think of doing that instead? (08:52:50 PM) ke4qqq: -1 too close to when fudcon would be (08:53:12 PM) inode0: keep in mind FUDcon will likely be 2 to 4 weeks after SELF (08:53:33 PM) inode0: why does proximity to FUDcon matter? (08:53:44 PM) DemonJester: when is SELF and where is FUDcon? (08:53:55 PM) ke4qqq: proximity in time (08:54:05 PM) ke4qqq: SELF is Jun something (08:54:08 PM) ke4qqq: 11th? (08:54:09 PM) inode0: SELF is June 13 - FUDcon is whenever Red Hat says it is (no sooner than the end of June) (08:54:32 PM) DemonJester: Boston again? (08:54:42 PM) inode0: and wherever they say it is, we don't know (08:55:02 PM) inode0: I get the sense it might not be in Boston (08:55:11 PM) ***DemonJester assumes Boston. Would prefer Raliegh ;) (08:55:32 PM) inode0: If it is left to Red Hat to make arrangements there aren't many likely locations (08:55:33 PM) ***ke4qqq would prefer SLC (08:55:40 PM) ke4qqq: or Austin (08:55:50 PM) inode0: this is a different issue (08:56:10 PM) inode0: why does FADNA a month before FUDcon matter? (08:56:49 PM) ke4qqq: travel, time off, time away from family (08:56:58 PM) ke4qqq: some can do it once a month (08:56:59 PM) loupgaroublond: cost of travel too (08:57:07 PM) ke4qqq: some can't do it all in the space of a month (08:57:14 PM) ke4qqq: ohhh yeah $$ (08:57:15 PM) inode0: sure, but a bunch of people are going to be at SELF anyway (08:57:23 PM) ke4qqq: true (08:57:39 PM) ke4qqq: but we will lose people who are already going to fudcon (08:58:01 PM) ke4qqq: and people who might otherwise try and make fudcon wn't....esp if self is closer (08:58:14 PM) inode0: maybe, but the other way we lose those at SELF who aren't going to FUDcon :) (08:58:27 PM) ke4qqq: true (08:58:42 PM) loupgaroublond: sounds like you need some good damned li^W^W statistics before you can make that deciision (08:59:02 PM) inode0: we need to get our heads wrapped around what we want the parameters to be for organizing FADNA I think (08:59:30 PM) ke4qqq: I'd rather be mid-release for FADNA (08:59:34 PM) ke4qqq: personally (08:59:37 PM) inode0: and whether we really expect FADNA attendees to also be at FUDcon (08:59:39 PM) ke4qqq: that spreads it out a bit (08:59:52 PM) ke4qqq: OLF was an ok fit for that (09:00:05 PM) inode0: I don't think it is reasonable to expect ambassadors to attend 2-4 FUDcon/FADNA events per year (09:00:34 PM) ke4qqq: 4 it's not, IMO, esp if the distance is great (09:01:33 PM) ke4qqq: but if we move it to a different side of the country (09:01:41 PM) ke4qqq: each time it becomes far more realistic (09:01:52 PM) ke4qqq: so we go to Cali for late in the year (09:02:17 PM) inode0: hopping from coast to coast is depressing me (09:02:57 PM) ***ke4qqq would really hesitate to fly cross country for a 2 day event (09:03:25 PM) ke4qqq: lcafiero: DemonJester thoughts? (09:03:35 PM) ***DemonJester notes unless there is something else going on in the area wont be doing that either (09:03:44 PM) inode0: I like attaching FADNA to another event as it helps draw a Fedora presence to that event and it adds value to the trip for the ambassadors (09:03:56 PM) lcafiero: What DemonJester said (09:04:27 PM) inode0: FADNA at OLF or SELF gives me two reasons to make those trips (09:04:36 PM) DemonJester: agrees with inode0 (09:05:01 PM) ke4qqq: ok - so FADNA at SELF it is - ready to move on? (09:05:14 PM) lcafiero: Where/When is SELF? (09:05:18 PM) inode0: possibly we could have FADNA at PyCon as well, that is March I think (09:05:40 PM) inode0: not sure what else is in that timeframe?! (09:05:46 PM) DemonJester: SCALE? (09:05:55 PM) inode0: when is SCALE? (09:05:57 PM) ke4qqq: ohhhh good point (09:05:59 PM) ke4qqq: Feb (09:06:08 PM) inode0: too close to January :) (09:06:09 PM) lcafiero: SCaLE is January/February (09:06:17 PM) ***lcafiero has to look (09:06:31 PM) DemonJester: honestly I doubt I could make that in such short time frame (09:06:50 PM) inode0: it is short and right after FUDcon (09:07:08 PM) DemonJester: inode0: exactly (09:07:25 PM) ***MadBus is sorry for being late (09:07:47 PM) ke4qqq: OSCON? (09:07:54 PM) lcafiero: SCaLE is Feb 20-22 (09:07:55 PM) ***ke4qqq shuts up now (09:08:08 PM) inode0: PyCon is end of March in Chicago (09:08:39 PM) ***MadBus has relatives in Portland (09:08:56 PM) ke4qqq: so shall we table this discussion? (09:09:10 PM) inode0: OSCON is usually in July isn't it? (09:09:11 PM) lcafiero: +1 (09:09:19 PM) MadBus: inode0, yes (09:09:29 PM) inode0: and it is big (09:09:37 PM) lcafiero: true that. (09:09:40 PM) inode0: or was when I last went (09:10:10 PM) inode0: ok, this has been good, I think there is some reasonable sentiment to try to space FADNAs around the midpoints for releases (09:10:16 PM) inode0: there is good logic in that (09:10:46 PM) inode0: we need to find places is all so keep your eyes open (09:10:56 PM) ke4qqq: ! (09:10:59 PM) inode0: go (09:11:03 PM) lcafiero: would like to revisit SCaLE (09:11:11 PM) ke4qqq: so can we get loupgaroublond to brief us on his barcamp experiences? (09:12:05 PM) loupgaroublond: sure (09:12:22 PM) inode0: yes, but please everyone think about what we might do at SELF given that we are bailing on FUDcon and FADNA (09:13:08 PM) loupgaroublond: so the barcamp was hosted by a guy who recently came back from hong kong and wanted to get back in touch with the tech community in the area (09:13:39 PM) loupgaroublond: he ran it piggy back on the WPLUG meeting here, and sent out invites to the blogging community in Pittsburgh (which is huge actually) (09:14:26 PM) ke4qqq: ? how many people showed up? (09:14:37 PM) loupgaroublond: there were about 10 in the end (09:14:55 PM) loupgaroublond: which is relatively good for pittsburgh (09:15:07 PM) ke4qqq: not bad for any 'first' meeting (09:15:26 PM) loupgaroublond: one time events have a hard time doing well, events need to be on a very regular basis (usually monthly) and always in the same location (09:16:11 PM) loupgaroublond: i've had a request to boost the fedora community here, boost openstreetmaps here, and i talked about doing this at the bar camp a bit (09:16:41 PM) ke4qqq: did the request to boost fedora come from your employer? (09:16:44 PM) loupgaroublond: but the bulk of the presentation i gave was why open source is important when it comes to mapping (09:16:46 PM) ke4qqq: or elsewhere? (09:16:59 PM) loupgaroublond: nope, it came from some BSD guys who are very supportive of Fedora and know of alot of fedora users in the area (09:17:13 PM) ke4qqq: wow (09:17:39 PM) lcafiero: hmmm (09:18:20 PM) ke4qqq: so you're a commarch person - what are you doing to grow pittsburgh? (09:18:30 PM) ***ke4qqq is curious to learn (09:18:53 PM) loupgaroublond: i'm going to start with a monthly OSM meeting, and perhaps work with the barcamp guys (09:19:03 PM) ke4qqq: OSM? (09:19:08 PM) loupgaroublond: open street map (09:19:41 PM) loupgaroublond: i have two goals with OSM, one get the members of this group to lobby different groups in the city to use open source tools to do their job (like Bike Pittsburgh! which makes bike maps of the city) (09:19:56 PM) loupgaroublond: and pass around LiveUSB images of Fedora running all the tools they need (09:20:16 PM) inode0: that is great (09:21:08 PM) loupgaroublond: but my number one focus in to make it monthly, so that it will hopefully continue on its own once i graduate in the spring and move on (09:21:28 PM) ke4qqq: is there a OSM spin?? lol (09:21:45 PM) loupgaroublond: yeah, i put it together last week (09:21:55 PM) loupgaroublond: it needs packages from openSuSE build service though (09:22:38 PM) ***lcafiero has to start paying attention in class -- be back later (09:22:56 PM) ke4qqq: cool! (09:23:01 PM) ***inode0 hopes we are finished before he gets back :) (09:23:21 PM) inode0: this is very cool loupgaroublond (09:23:52 PM) loupgaroublond: definitel, mapping's alot of fun (09:24:33 PM) loupgaroublond: and i'm guessing you guys want to figure out something about starting up local communities? (09:24:36 PM) MadBus: loupgaroublond, can you recompile the source for Fedora? (09:24:49 PM) ke4qqq: loupgaroublond: always looking for new insight (09:25:12 PM) loupgaroublond: theoretically yeah, but one of the packages is a java thing that the packager just threw the jar file into the RPM which is not the way to go (09:25:16 PM) inode0: even finding existing communities where we can make a difference (09:25:54 PM) loupgaroublond: overholt volunteered at one point to repackage it for us, but i don't know how busy he is now (09:26:30 PM) loupgaroublond: so two things to that, my current tack is to focus on getting people doing the things they do on open source platforms using fedora (09:27:08 PM) loupgaroublond: and second, richard weaits, who i'm trying to get involved in Fedora a bit more, is the commarch guy for OpenStreetMap's sponsor organization (09:27:45 PM) loupgaroublond: he knows alot about doing the community thing for OSM, and i've been mainly working with his methods to get things going (09:28:04 PM) ke4qqq: are his methods documented anywhere? (09:28:43 PM) loupgaroublond: hence, monthly meetings, use a very local focus such as organizations in the area that would have an interest, and get a local on the scenes guy to do work for you (09:29:03 PM) loupgaroublond: dunno, most of my contact with him has been in person (09:31:04 PM) ***loupgaroublond scans the OSM wiki for information (09:31:23 PM) inode0: we are 90 minutes in (09:31:25 PM) loupgaroublond: but they use their wiki for alot of collaboration (09:31:36 PM) inode0: friendly nudge (09:31:36 PM) ke4qqq: I'll check it out (09:31:54 PM) loupgaroublond: just open the main page and scroll down and you'll see what i mean (09:32:04 PM) ***ke4qqq recoils from the 'friendly' nudge and returns the floor to inode0 :) (09:32:07 PM) ke4qqq: ok (09:32:27 PM) inode0: ke4qqq: can report I have BarCampSTL covered (09:32:42 PM) ke4qqq: outstanding - that's 2 (09:32:47 PM) ke4qqq: just need a third now (09:33:01 PM) inode0: visit fedora-ambassadors and say welcome to jimi (09:33:44 PM) inode0: ok, I'd like to close up shop for this week - anything else urgent? (09:34:02 PM) inode0: 5 (09:34:05 PM) inode0: 4 (09:34:08 PM) inode0: 3 (09:34:11 PM) inode0: 2 (09:34:14 PM) loupgaroublond: can someone please approve richard weait's request to join f-ambassador@ list? (09:34:30 PM) inode0: only if he is an ambassador (09:34:34 PM) loupgaroublond: oh ok (09:34:41 PM) inode0: that isn't an open list (09:34:44 PM) loupgaroublond: ok (09:34:47 PM) inode0: 1 (09:35:00 PM) inode0: thanks everyone (09:35:02 PM) inode0: EOF From thinklinux.ssh at gmail.com Mon Dec 1 14:55:54 2008 From: thinklinux.ssh at gmail.com (susmit shannigrahi) Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 20:25:54 +0530 Subject: [Ambassadors] Ambassador probation period In-Reply-To: <9c21d6480812010012t485bd002laf67e0b6f0702ecb@mail.gmail.com> References: <9c21d6480812010012t485bd002laf67e0b6f0702ecb@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: > I am the one on probation period > Could anyone please tell me how to cross the probation period . You need not worry about this. Just go on doing your work and you shall get every help. This probation period is not very strictly enforced. >. I am holding a seminar in my college > about Fedora . Very nice. Now let us know these.. 1. What is the seminar is about? Only Fedora? A techfest? A Linux event ? 2. Who are going to speak? 3. What is the estimated attendance? How familiar they are with linux? 4. When is the event and what is it's duration? 5. What do you need for it? 6. How do you plan to follow this up? >If i need to > provide details regarding seminar & distibutution of DVDs . Probation or no probation, it is compulsory to send event report to the list. Thanks for the good work...please keep it up. :) -- Regards, Susmit. ============================================= ssh 0x86DD170A http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/user:susmit ============================================= From valent.turkovic at gmail.com Mon Dec 1 20:21:54 2008 From: valent.turkovic at gmail.com (Valent Turkovic) Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 21:21:54 +0100 Subject: [Ambassadors] Fedora distributed on public places... Message-ID: <64b14b300812011221k319caef2rcea2e150575ec815@mail.gmail.com> Hi, we would like to put Fedora in more and more hands. We have the will to do it in our home town (Osijek, Croatia) and have some spare cache to put into blank CD/DVD's and burn them. One thing we lack is some representative box to put Fedora discs into. We would like to put these Fedora boxes on public places like student cafeteria, pubs, pc hardware shops, etc... It would be nice that there would be some text on the box "It's Free - take one". I saw request for "AmbassadorKit Box " on this page: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/DesignService There are examples of Ubuntu. We would LOVE to have something similar - or even better than Ubuntu ;) Cheers, Valent. -- http://kernelreloaded.blog385.com/ linux, blog, anime, spirituality, windsurf, wireless registered as user #367004 with the Linux Counter, http://counter.li.org. ICQ: 2125241, Skype: valent.turkovic From tushar.neupaney at gmail.com Tue Dec 2 05:26:51 2008 From: tushar.neupaney at gmail.com (Tushar Neupaney) Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 11:11:51 +0545 Subject: [Ambassadors] Release Party in Nepal today In-Reply-To: <116089960812010333i441bbca0r6eb4f372ac7dab63@mail.gmail.com> References: <1227902909.21176.33.camel@localhost.localdomain> <775aa32d0811282349u61549450nb88883e3cae20b06@mail.gmail.com> <116089960811301212r4735a634m42d753f6a0749100@mail.gmail.com> <4933C313.3070307@fedoraproject.org> <116089960812010333i441bbca0r6eb4f372ac7dab63@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Was really a great program, Enjoyed a lot. Tushar Neupaney On 01/12/2008, Shankar Pokharel wrote: > On 12/1/08, Abhishek Singh wrote: >> >> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >> Hash: SHA1 >> >> >> mak wrote: >> > 2008/12/1 Shankar Pokharel >> > >> >> The party was rocking. Pls read about it at: >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> http://memshankar.wordpress.com/2008/11/29/fedora-10-cambridge-release-party-in-nepal/ >> >> >> >> -Shankar >> >> >> > >> > Excellent! Your party is great. The Rangoli is great. Thanks for >> > sharing, >> > this will help me for my event. >> > >> > Regards >> > Mahay Alam Khan >> > gpg key: 4FDD30FB >> > Fedora Ambassador Bangladesh >> > >> > >> >> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> > >> > -- >> > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list >> > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com >> > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list >> >> Yeah. The event was rocking indeed. The media coverage in one of the >> Nepal's biggest TV network added to our success. > > > > Here's the YouTube video of the coverage recorded directly from the TV > broadcast. It's in Nepali language. > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vjp1SHw9QPI > > -Shankar > > At this moment we're >> positioning the Fedora market among students and media. Very soon >> we're planning to hit other market segments as well. >> >> Regards, >> Abhishek Singh >> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- >> Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) >> Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org >> >> iEYEARECAAYFAkkzwxIACgkQyGHFRSEWVk/ehQCfbyrepgYN1DfH99Ec/SfMOmeA >> XbAAoI6vW4tJdka8YdrulnD6okoK51yj >> =RxcK >> -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- >> >> >> -- >> Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list >> Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list >> > From affix at fedoraproject.org Tue Dec 2 13:46:30 2008 From: affix at fedoraproject.org (Keiran Smith) Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 08:46:30 -0500 Subject: [Ambassadors] Fedora 10 and Adobe CS4 Message-ID: Running wine today I thought Id try install Adobe CS4 Master Collection. So far it has been running without any problems. I think that Both Fedora and Wine are making massive advanced in emulating the windows environment. It was just a few months ago when Photoshop 7 was the only Adobe application that runs in a windows emulated environment. So far I have tested Photoshop and Flash CS4. Im unsure whether anyone is interested in this. -- Keiran Smith - Fedora Ambassador - - Free Software Foundation Associate - Join the FSF as an Associate Member at: http://www.fsf.org/register_form?referrer=6705 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I've tried to do so, and I still couldn't do it ;/ 2008/12/2 Keiran Smith > Running wine today I thought Id try install Adobe CS4 Master Collection. So > far it has been running without any problems. I think that Both Fedora and > Wine are making massive advanced in emulating the windows environment. It > was just a few months ago when Photoshop 7 was the only Adobe application > that runs in a windows emulated environment. So far I have tested Photoshop > and Flash CS4. Im unsure whether anyone is interested in this. > > -- > Keiran Smith > - Fedora Ambassador - > - Free Software Foundation Associate - > > Join the FSF as an Associate Member at: > http://www.fsf.org/register_form?referrer=6705 > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by *MailScanner* , and is > believed to be clean. > > :::: CONTRIBUA COM O MEIO AMBIENTE. N?O IMPRIMA ESTA MENSAGEM ::::: > > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > > -- -- Atenciosamente, Lucas do Amaral CEFET-CE - UAB-CE. Linux System Administrator Trainee Fedora Ambassador & Fedora Translator -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kushaldas at gmail.com Tue Dec 2 16:17:17 2008 From: kushaldas at gmail.com (Kushal Das) Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 21:47:17 +0530 Subject: [Ambassadors] My event report on foss.in 2008 Message-ID: Hi all, I tried to make the report in the different way this time. You can find it at http://kushaldas.in/tmp/fossin2008.pdf (11MB). Suggestions are welcome. Kushal -- http://fedoraproject.org http://kushaldas.in From gerold at lugd.org Tue Dec 2 20:11:52 2008 From: gerold at lugd.org (Gerold Kassube) Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2008 21:11:52 +0100 Subject: [Ambassadors] FOSDEM 2009 Message-ID: <1228248712.3282.16.camel@localhost.localdomain> takes place from 2009-02-07 until 2009-02-08 in EUROPE, Belgium Bruxelles ... responsible Ambassador for this event is https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FredericHornain regardless the Accomodation page at https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FedoraEvents/FOSDEM/Accomodation I will stay again at http://www.marriott.com/hotels/travel/brubr-renaissance-brussels-hotel/ (because I have again a meeting with several guys in front of FOSDEM together with the Board of Fedora EMEA e.V.) the costs are at the moment for a double room EUR 79 / night and I will probably pay by my own :-( So I like to ask who else will stay in that hotel, please send me a short notice (per E-Mail) that we maybe combine and share rooms together. 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I'm sticking with you. Excellent hotel! - -Jeroen -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAkk1mDQACgkQKN6f2pNCvwgiqQCgpQXuE1IJqe1q+5PGNjUQC5Kz OzIAmwRzR3J7CV+YDQdTb0ny4445unVb =7X/5 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From cmpahar at gmail.com Tue Dec 2 14:23:01 2008 From: cmpahar at gmail.com (Christos Bacharakis) Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 16:23:01 +0200 Subject: [Ambassadors] Fedora 10 and Adobe CS4 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: 2008/12/2 Keiran Smith > Running wine today I thought Id try install Adobe CS4 Master Collection. So > far it has been running without any problems. I think that Both Fedora and > Wine are making massive advanced in emulating the windows environment. It > was just a few months ago when Photoshop 7 was the only Adobe application > that runs in a windows emulated environment. So far I have tested Photoshop > and Flash CS4. Im unsure whether anyone is interested in this. > > -- > Keiran Smith > - Fedora Ambassador - > - Free Software Foundation Associate - > > Join the FSF as an Associate Member at: > http://www.fsf.org/register_form?referrer=6705 > > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > > Perfect! Thank you very much Keiran. -- Christos Bacharakis cmpahar at fedoraproject.org http://cmpahar.wordpress.com GPG Key: CCFA0AEB -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From affix at ihack.co.uk Tue Dec 2 20:20:16 2008 From: affix at ihack.co.uk (Affix) Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 20:20:16 +0000 Subject: [Ambassadors] Fedora 10 and Adobe CS4 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Lucas, It was just a matter of running it with WINE. However I realized I can't open anything in non-psd format. Also The install may fail a few times before it actually works. But it does in the end. There is apost about it with a screenshot in the WINE App-DB 2008/12/2 Lucas - Linux Sys. Admin (CEFETCE/UAB) > How did you managed to do this? > > I've tried to do so, and I still couldn't do it ;/ > > 2008/12/2 Keiran Smith > >> Running wine today I thought Id try install Adobe CS4 Master Collection. >> So far it has been running without any problems. I think that Both Fedora >> and Wine are making massive advanced in emulating the windows environment. >> It was just a few months ago when Photoshop 7 was the only Adobe application >> that runs in a windows emulated environment. So far I have tested Photoshop >> and Flash CS4. Im unsure whether anyone is interested in this. >> >> -- >> Keiran Smith >> - Fedora Ambassador - >> - Free Software Foundation Associate - >> >> Join the FSF as an Associate Member at: >> http://www.fsf.org/register_form?referrer=6705 >> >> -- >> This message has been scanned for viruses and >> dangerous content by *MailScanner* , and is >> >> believed to be clean. >> >> :::: CONTRIBUA COM O MEIO AMBIENTE. 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In-Reply-To: <20081201090309.35117.qmail@f5mail-237-242.rediffmail.com> References: <20081201090309.35117.qmail@f5mail-237-242.rediffmail.com> Message-ID: 2008/12/1 sathish m babu : > hi > i need fedora 10 DVD, > guide me to request the media and if u can add my name also in the current > request list https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-india/2008-November/msg00058.html Are you an ambassador? Your homepage link please. -- Regards, Susmit. ============================================= ssh 0x86DD170A http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/user:susmit ============================================= From jsimon at fedoraproject.org Tue Dec 2 22:28:31 2008 From: jsimon at fedoraproject.org (JoergSimon) Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 23:28:31 +0100 Subject: [Ambassadors] FOSDEM 2009 In-Reply-To: <1228248712.3282.16.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1228248712.3282.16.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <200812022328.35361.jsimon@fedoraproject.org> Am Dienstag, 2. Dezember 2008 21:11:52 schrieb Gerold Kassube: > takes place from 2009-02-07 until 2009-02-08 in EUROPE, Belgium > Bruxelles ... > > responsible Ambassador for this event is > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FredericHornain > > regardless the Accomodation page at > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FedoraEvents/FOSDEM/Accomodation I will > stay again at > http://www.marriott.com/hotels/travel/brubr-renaissance-brussels-hotel/ I have already booked ;) -- Joerg (kital) Simon jsimon at fedoraproject.org http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/JoergSimon http://kitall.blogspot.com Key Fingerprint: 3691 0989 2DCA 58A2 8D1F 2CAC C823 558E 5B5B 5688 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part. URL: From fab at fedoraproject.org Tue Dec 2 22:51:17 2008 From: fab at fedoraproject.org (Fabian Affolter) Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2008 23:51:17 +0100 Subject: [Ambassadors] FOSDEM 2009 In-Reply-To: <1228248712.3282.16.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1228248712.3282.16.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <4935BBE5.80406@fedoraproject.org> Gerold Kassube schrieb: > takes place from 2009-02-07 until 2009-02-08 in EUROPE, Belgium > Bruxelles ... > So I like to ask who else will stay in that hotel, please send me a > short notice (per E-Mail) that we maybe combine and share rooms > together. I'm looking for a room mate ;-) Fabian -- Fingerprint: 2F6C 930F D3C4 7E38 6AFA 4EB4 E23C D2DD 36A4 397F Fedora always leads and never follows. From kanarip at kanarip.com Wed Dec 3 00:16:07 2008 From: kanarip at kanarip.com (Jeroen van Meeuwen) Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2008 01:16:07 +0100 Subject: [Ambassadors] FOSDEM 2009 In-Reply-To: <200812022328.35361.jsimon@fedoraproject.org> References: <1228248712.3282.16.camel@localhost.localdomain> <200812022328.35361.jsimon@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <4935CFC7.7000209@kanarip.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 JoergSimon wrote: | Am Dienstag, 2. Dezember 2008 21:11:52 schrieb Gerold Kassube: |> takes place from 2009-02-07 until 2009-02-08 in EUROPE, Belgium |> Bruxelles ... |> |> responsible Ambassador for this event is |> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FredericHornain |> |> regardless the Accomodation page at |> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FedoraEvents/FOSDEM/Accomodation I will |> stay again at |> http://www.marriott.com/hotels/travel/brubr-renaissance-brussels-hotel/ | | I have already booked ;) | /me too, for myself and Stefan Hartsuiker Kind regards, Jeroen van Meeuwen - -kanarip -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAkk1z8cACgkQKN6f2pNCvwhCHQCgziWexAKm00bASEk/9w83kMfV tx8An1AZblyU1UKDaO9wSRkDVGWC7cHU =loHS -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From matt at domsch.com Wed Dec 3 03:39:15 2008 From: matt at domsch.com (Matt Domsch) Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 21:39:15 -0600 Subject: [Ambassadors] FAmSCo Election: Town Hall Time/Date In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20081203033915.GA23919@domsch.com> On Mon, Nov 24, 2008 at 06:32:50PM +0100, Francesco Ugolini wrote: > According to [1] Matt Domsch email, we have to decide when we would > held a FAmSCo Town Hall. > > The discussions could be hold between December 4th and December 6th in > #fedora-townhall. > > Tell me the date/time you prefer. > > From my own perpective Saturday (6th) will be the best day, from 17.00 > UTC to 21.00 UTC. > > [1] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-advisory-board/2008-November/msg00092.html >From the comments received, it sounds like Saturday the 6th on or after 17.00 UTC is best for most (but not all). I need to find a moderator yet. I would do it, but I'm out of town and offline at this time. Would anyone care to volunteer? The only requirements are: a) they be online at this time b) they not be a nominee Simply copy questions from #fedora-townhall-public into #fedora-townhall. And move to the next question if the discussion gets sidetracked for too long. Pretty easy. Thanks, Matt From matt at domsch.com Wed Dec 3 03:45:22 2008 From: matt at domsch.com (Matt Domsch) Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 21:45:22 -0600 Subject: [Ambassadors] Re: Election Town Halls In-Reply-To: <20081124171632.GA3725@domsch.com> References: <20081124171632.GA3725@domsch.com> Message-ID: <20081203034522.GB23919@domsch.com> On Mon, Nov 24, 2008 at 11:16:32AM -0600, Matt Domsch wrote: > When setting up the upcoming elections, based on participant requests, > I announced we would have some IRC Town Halls, for each of the groups > being elected, between Thursday December 4 and Saturday December 6. > > I'd like to propose each group have at least one, and if the group so > wishes, two, such town halls. If two, schedule them at somewhat > opposite times of day to allow greatest community participation in at > least one. > > Schedule: non-overlapping, first-come-first-serve by the groups. I've > put up a placeholder schedule for the Board town halls, subject to > revision based on availability of the nominees. > > > Committee chairs: please discuss with your nominees the best times > they are available, and schedule on the wiki page [1] accordingly. > > > Moderators: consider this a call for moderators. If you would like to > moderate one or more sessions, please contact me directly. Moderators > will take questions from the -public IRC channel, ask them in the > -townhall channel, and try to keep the conversations on topic. We still need moderators for two town hall sessions: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Elections#Schedule Friday 02:00 UTC Fedora Project Board 9pm Eastern Thursday night Saturday 17:00 UTC FAMSCo Noon Eastern Saturday I would appreciate volunteers, but will draft people if necessary. :-) Thanks, Matt From pravda013 at fedoraproject.org Wed Dec 3 04:21:56 2008 From: pravda013 at fedoraproject.org (Ferenc Pravda) Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 05:21:56 +0100 Subject: [Ambassadors] Ambassador Poloshirts EMEA In-Reply-To: <200811041342.31621.jsimon@fedoraproject.org> References: <200811041342.31621.jsimon@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <5031e9cf0812022021j73f6a4b3y846f048f8be4fa73@mail.gmail.com> Hello Joerg, Currently I seem to be the only Serbian Fedora Ambassador, and I wish to have polo shirt on my Event at December 27th. Please, can you help me with shipment of one polo shirt even Deadline is closed? Milos Komarcevic (kmilos) from Serbian Translation Tim will sponsoring me with one if you be able to help me. Best Regards, Ferenc 2008/11/4 JoergSimon > > Dear EMEA Ambassadors, > > Because there are many Ambassadors who want polo shirts, but who cannot > attend the events where we distribute them, we have decided to appoint > individual country leaders as the distribution points for the shirts. > > The Fedora French community is a good example -- it is easiest to ship > all the polo shirts for the French community to one Ambassador in > France, and let him distribute them at local events. This saves a lot > of money on cross-border shipping costs also. > > For this to work, it is necessary that you organize yourself a bit > inside your country, to declare one Ambassador of each country as > responsible. This Ambassador is in charge for collecting the money and > shipping the Poloshirts inside his country and for providing the money > and a shipping address to us. The Money Transfer will processed over the > Fedora EMEA e.V. The WikiPage is prepared - what do you all think? > -- Ferenc Pravda Fedora Ambasador pravda013 at fedoraproject.org Key Fingerprint: 8A76 A556 EC86 7222 0EF0 B9E8 76AF BB74 9A3F B4B6 http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Pravda013_ENGLISH http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/pravda013 (Serbian) From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Wed Dec 3 04:44:06 2008 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2008 10:14:06 +0530 Subject: [Ambassadors] Fedora 10 Local Release Announcement - KKLUG In-Reply-To: <492C6934.90204@splash.co.za> References: <2d2e2de00811251136s720a7206s45ca15cad5851706@mail.gmail.com> <492C6934.90204@splash.co.za> Message-ID: <49360E96.7030507@fedoraproject.org> Richard Mayhew wrote: > Hi, > > Just scanned through the document and I think it looks pretty hot, just > not sure if one can use the "Solar" Graphic. Sure, you can very well use it. Not only is all Fedora artwork produced using tools within the distribution that are completely free and open source, they are also openly licensed in a way that allows redistribution or remixing. Rahul From eerpini at gmail.com Wed Dec 3 05:09:08 2008 From: eerpini at gmail.com (Satish Eerpini) Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 10:39:08 +0530 Subject: [Ambassadors] Fedora 10 dvd available (Vellore , India) Message-ID: <93655eb70812022109k429c220dscafde9b25d88a0df@mail.gmail.com> Hello everyone , I am from Vellore, Tamil Nadu , India , and I have a copy of the Fedora 10 i386 DVD and gnome Live cd . Anyone who wants to avail the media nearby my region can contact me. I will try to provide the media in and around Vellore. The media will be free of cost (except for the DVD/CD cost) ... Thanks Satish -- http://satish.playdrupal.com From bbbush.yuan at gmail.com Wed Dec 3 05:30:06 2008 From: bbbush.yuan at gmail.com (Yuan Yijun) Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 13:30:06 +0800 Subject: [Ambassadors] Re: F11 Naming: Sulphur -> Cambridge -> ? In-Reply-To: <20081202135607.GA2344@yoda.jdub.homelinux.org> References: <20081202135607.GA2344@yoda.jdub.homelinux.org> Message-ID: <76e72f800812022130t65508f50s8f52088d6f332edd@mail.gmail.com> 2008/12/2 Josh Boyer : > Hi All, > > It's that time of year again. Time to start the naming process > for the next Fedora release. > > To recap on the rules: > > 1) must have some link to Cambridge > > More specifically, the link should be > Cambridge is a and > is a > Where is the same for both > > 2) The link between and Cambridge cannot be the same as > between Sulphur and Cambridge. That link was "both are cities". > > We're doing the name collection differently this year than in > the past. Contributors wishing to make a suggestion are asked to > go to the F11 naming wiki page, and add an entry to the suggestion > table found there: > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Name_suggestions_for_Fedora_11 > > The naming submissions are open starting now until Dec 8. The > rest of the schedule is outlined on the wiki page. > > So, put on your thinking caps and come up with some really good > suggestions! > > Happy naming. > I think we may find a good name on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rabindranath_Tagore There is a famous peom 'Saying Goodbye to Cambridge Again' written by http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xu_Zhimo at 1922. Quote from wikipedia: "To commemorate Xu Zhimo, in July, 2008, a white marble stone has been installed at the back of King's College, University of Cambridge, on which is inscribed a verse from Xu's best-known poem, 'Saying Goodbye to Cambridge Again'." Since Cambridge is part of a poem, then we can always find a good poem with a sound title. I'd suggest "Crescent Moon" (of Tagore) because of the close relationship: Xu Zhimo also started a group called that name. Also we used "Solar" as artwork theme in Fedora 10. But this word seems to have been used by another software company, and a perl module(?), etc. I am not sure about the google result. Also it have close relationship with Mid-East, isn't it. India people may have more to say about Tagore. -- bbbush ^_^ From bbbush.yuan at gmail.com Wed Dec 3 05:32:54 2008 From: bbbush.yuan at gmail.com (Yuan Yijun) Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 13:32:54 +0800 Subject: [Ambassadors] Re: F11 Naming: Sulphur -> Cambridge -> ? In-Reply-To: <76e72f800812022130t65508f50s8f52088d6f332edd@mail.gmail.com> References: <20081202135607.GA2344@yoda.jdub.homelinux.org> <76e72f800812022130t65508f50s8f52088d6f332edd@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <76e72f800812022132v6c2ce63fh1a6965c2e11e3dba@mail.gmail.com> 2008/12/3 Yuan Yijun : > > I think we may find a good name on > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rabindranath_Tagore > > There is a famous peom 'Saying Goodbye to Cambridge Again' written by > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xu_Zhimo at 1922. Quote from wikipedia: > > "To commemorate Xu Zhimo, in July, 2008, a white marble stone has been > installed at the back of King's College, University of Cambridge, on > which is inscribed a verse from Xu's best-known poem, 'Saying Goodbye > to Cambridge Again'." > > Since Cambridge is part of a poem, then we can always find a good poem > with a sound title. Here is a translation of that poem: http://my.opera.com/hercyna/blog/show.dml/308333 Very quietly I take my leave As quietly as I came here; Quietly I wave good-bye To the rosy clouds in the western sky. ??????? ???????? ??????? ???????? The golden willows by the riverside Are young brides in the setting sun; Their reflections on the shimmering waves Always linger in the depth of my heart. ?????? ??????? ??????? ???????? The floatingheart growing in the sludge Sways leisurely under the water; In the gentle waves of Cambridge I would be a water plant! ??????? ????????? ???????? ???????? That pool under the shade of elm trees Holds not water but the rainbow from the sky; Shattered to pieces among the duckweeds Is the sediment of a rainbow-like dream? ???????? ????????? ??????? ????????? To seek a dream? Just to pole a boat upstream To where the green grass is more verdant; Or to have the boat fully loaded with starlight And sing aloud in the splendour of starlight. ????????? ????????? ??????? ???????? But I cannot sing aloud Quietness is my farewell music; Even summer insects heep silence for me Silent is Cambridge tonight! ??????? ????????? ???????? ????????? Very quietly I take my leave As quietly as I came here; Gently I flick my sleeves Not even a wisp of cloud will I bring away ??????? ???????? ??????? ???????? -- bbbush ^_^ From ianweller at gmail.com Wed Dec 3 06:16:14 2008 From: ianweller at gmail.com (Ian Weller) Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 00:16:14 -0600 Subject: [Ambassadors] fedora-event-splash Message-ID: <20081203061614.GB16684@gmail.com> Clint Savage (herlo) and I are planning to work on a program for the Ambassadors team called "fedora-event-splash", which will basically act as a home page for web browsers on computers at Fedora booths at events to show users how to get and join Fedora, as well as a general outlook on the Fedora community by aggregating from wherever people in Fedora hang out on the internetwebtubes (i.e., Planet and blog posts, Identi.ca, Flickr, whatever's aggregatable). You can read more at the Request for Resources with Infrastructure at https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-infrastructure/ticket/1026 Let us know if you're interested in helping. TurboGears hackers wanted! -- Ian Weller http://ianweller.org GnuPG fingerprint: E51E 0517 7A92 70A2 4226 B050 87ED 7C97 EFA8 4A36 "Technology is a word that describes something that doesn't work yet." ~ Douglas Adams -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 197 bytes Desc: not available URL: From uosiumen at gmail.com Wed Dec 3 07:35:04 2008 From: uosiumen at gmail.com (Krzysztof Hajdamowicz) Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 08:35:04 +0100 Subject: [Ambassadors] Re: F11 Naming: Sulphur -> Cambridge -> ? In-Reply-To: <76e72f800812022132v6c2ce63fh1a6965c2e11e3dba@mail.gmail.com> References: <20081202135607.GA2344@yoda.jdub.homelinux.org> <76e72f800812022130t65508f50s8f52088d6f332edd@mail.gmail.com> <76e72f800812022132v6c2ce63fh1a6965c2e11e3dba@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <849180620812022335n83e5d42q457688c4240b4867@mail.gmail.com> Maybe You should discuss it on wiki.fedoraproject.org, not the mailing list? -- cheers, Krzysztof "uosiu" Hajdamowicz mail: uosiumen on server uosiu dot info jabber: uosiu on server jabster dot pl From bbbush.yuan at gmail.com Wed Dec 3 08:03:57 2008 From: bbbush.yuan at gmail.com (Yuan Yijun) Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 16:03:57 +0800 Subject: [Ambassadors] Re: F11 Naming: Sulphur -> Cambridge -> ? In-Reply-To: <849180620812022335n83e5d42q457688c4240b4867@mail.gmail.com> References: <20081202135607.GA2344@yoda.jdub.homelinux.org> <76e72f800812022130t65508f50s8f52088d6f332edd@mail.gmail.com> <76e72f800812022132v6c2ce63fh1a6965c2e11e3dba@mail.gmail.com> <849180620812022335n83e5d42q457688c4240b4867@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <76e72f800812030003q4c14cc42g64c5e5e911f08ce8@mail.gmail.com> 2008/12/3 Krzysztof Hajdamowicz : > Maybe You should discuss it on wiki.fedoraproject.org, not the mailing list? > Hi, They are the same IMO. I ask on mailing list because I don't find a proper name yet, just an idea. 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Best regards Francesco Ugolini From herlo1 at gmail.com Wed Dec 3 16:15:37 2008 From: herlo1 at gmail.com (Clint Savage) Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 09:15:37 -0700 Subject: [Ambassadors] Release Party Wall Poster In-Reply-To: <7cb778c60812030701g34f0e9c9idd35e0d127bd9859@mail.gmail.com> References: <7cb778c60812030701g34f0e9c9idd35e0d127bd9859@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: 2008/12/3 Rishikesh Sharma : > Hi All, > > The Release party in Imphal is only 4 Days to go. We are doing the > advertisement in News Paper and Wall Posters are distributed all over. The > JPEG file used in advertising/Wall poster is available at > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Image:Wallposter.jpg > > > Regards, > Rishikesh Sharma > > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > > Rishikesh, Nice poster, I like the layout. I would, however suggest a couple changes. The fonts you use do not look like the recommended fonts (mgopen-fonts) from the Art team. I thought I'd throw in my contribution from a few weeks back as well as point out that there are inkscape sources available as well. https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/F10Themes/Solar#Fedora_10_Release_Poster I hope things go well for your release party. Cheers, Clint From stickster at gmail.com Wed Dec 3 17:06:12 2008 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 12:06:12 -0500 Subject: [Ambassadors] Release Party Wall Poster In-Reply-To: References: <7cb778c60812030701g34f0e9c9idd35e0d127bd9859@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20081203170612.GL13562@localhost.localdomain> On Wed, Dec 03, 2008 at 09:15:37AM -0700, Clint Savage wrote: > 2008/12/3 Rishikesh Sharma : > > Hi All, > > > > The Release party in Imphal is only 4 Days to go. We are doing the > > advertisement in News Paper and Wall Posters are distributed all over. The > > JPEG file used in advertising/Wall poster is available at > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Image:Wallposter.jpg > > > > > > Regards, > > Rishikesh Sharma > > > > -- > > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > > > > > > Rishikesh, > > Nice poster, I like the layout. I would, however suggest a couple > changes. The fonts you use do not look like the recommended fonts > (mgopen-fonts) from the Art team. I thought I'd throw in my > contribution from a few weeks back as well as point out that there are > inkscape sources available as well. > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/F10Themes/Solar#Fedora_10_Release_Poster > > I hope things go well for your release party. Also Rishikesh, please do not change the colors of the Fedora logo -- use the color version in blue and white. This helps us maintain our brand impact and notoriety. Thank you! -- Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available URL: From rishikesh at fedoraproject.org Thu Dec 4 03:33:15 2008 From: rishikesh at fedoraproject.org (Rishikesh Sharma) Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2008 09:03:15 +0530 Subject: [Ambassadors] Release Party Wall Poster In-Reply-To: <20081203170612.GL13562@localhost.localdomain> References: <7cb778c60812030701g34f0e9c9idd35e0d127bd9859@mail.gmail.com> <20081203170612.GL13562@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <7cb778c60812031933r6add278fha9b73568e166389b@mail.gmail.com> Ok, We will rectify the things. 2008/12/3 Paul W. Frields > On Wed, Dec 03, 2008 at 09:15:37AM -0700, Clint Savage wrote: > > 2008/12/3 Rishikesh Sharma : > > > Hi All, > > > > > > The Release party in Imphal is only 4 Days to go. We are doing the > > > advertisement in News Paper and Wall Posters are distributed all over. > The > > > JPEG file used in advertising/Wall poster is available at > > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Image:Wallposter.jpg > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > Rishikesh Sharma > > > > > > -- > > > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > > > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > > > > > > > > > > Rishikesh, > > > > Nice poster, I like the layout. I would, however suggest a couple > > changes. The fonts you use do not look like the recommended fonts > > (mgopen-fonts) from the Art team. I thought I'd throw in my > > contribution from a few weeks back as well as point out that there are > > inkscape sources available as well. > > > > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/F10Themes/Solar#Fedora_10_Release_Poster > > > > I hope things go well for your release party. > > Also Rishikesh, please do not change the colors of the Fedora logo -- > use the color version in blue and white. This helps us maintain our > brand impact and notoriety. Thank you! > > -- > Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ > gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 > http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ > irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug > > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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In-Reply-To: <525074060812040340k58d20956j6dadf7a1bae4320a@mail.gmail.com> References: <525074060812040340k58d20956j6dadf7a1bae4320a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: 2008/12/4 jorge Lara : > Hello everyone I want to comment that selecting mute the sound from the > panel of gnome and then watch a video or listen to music, the sound is heard > lowest despite being completely silenced. > > how can I fix it? > Jorge, You may wish to address your question to the fedora-list at redhat.com (you can sign up here: http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list), fedoraforum.org or #fedora on irc.freenode.net. This mailing list is for purposes of discussing recruiting and mentoring contributors. Please come back and join us if you wish to contribute. Cheers, Clint From bamirthampr at in.com Thu Dec 4 14:10:44 2008 From: bamirthampr at in.com (Amirtham purendra raman bala) Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2008 19:40:44 +0530 Subject: [Ambassadors] hi every one Message-ID: <1228399844.24b43fb034a10d78bec71274033b4096@mail.in.com> Hi i am new to fedora , now only i have joined fedora ambassador, help me out proceed further Dear Fedoraambassadorslist! Get Yourself a cool, short @in.com Email ID now! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Hope I answered your question Regards Francesco Ugolini From thinklinux.ssh at gmail.com Thu Dec 4 14:56:22 2008 From: thinklinux.ssh at gmail.com (susmit shannigrahi) Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2008 20:26:22 +0530 Subject: [Ambassadors] hi every one In-Reply-To: <1228399844.24b43fb034a10d78bec71274033b4096@mail.in.com> References: <1228399844.24b43fb034a10d78bec71274033b4096@mail.in.com> Message-ID: 2008/12/4 Amirtham purendra raman bala : > Hi i am new to fedora , now only i have joined fedora ambassador, help me > out proceed further Hi, Welcome. Please make sure you have joined the fedora-india list and you have a proper homepage. Anything particular you like to work on? -- Regards, Susmit. ============================================= ssh 0x86DD170A http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/user:susmit ============================================= From gnu.boi at gmail.com Thu Dec 4 15:46:57 2008 From: gnu.boi at gmail.com (gnu boi) Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2008 03:46:57 -1200 Subject: [Ambassadors] Re: F11 Naming: Sulphur -> Cambridge -> ? 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Dezember 2008 17:44:51 schrieb Amirtham purendra raman bala: > I hv not yet added in ambassdors list, i have also created login in FAS & > applied for ambassador group , what next to do====this is my wiki > page==https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Bamirthampr Hi Amirtham, to become sponsored it is imperative that you improve your Wiki Page, we need to know more about you. What was your intention to apply to Ambassadors, what is your plan as a Ambassador, how do you want to contribute or what do you have already done. I would like to introduce you to our Community Mentors from your region, where you can ask for help or point your ideas: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Susmit https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/KushalDas https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/RahulSundaram The Indian Fedora Community also have his own Mailing List where you should subscribe to become a active Member of your Region: http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-india cu Joerg -- Joerg (kital) Simon jsimon at fedoraproject.org http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/JoergSimon http://kitall.blogspot.com Key Fingerprint: 3691 0989 2DCA 58A2 8D1F 2CAC C823 558E 5B5B 5688 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part. 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Please do not send private "Welcome" Messages to Ambassador List -- Joerg (kital) Simon jsimon at fedoraproject.org http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/JoergSimon http://kitall.blogspot.com Key Fingerprint: 3691 0989 2DCA 58A2 8D1F 2CAC C823 558E 5B5B 5688 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part. URL: From fugolini at fedoraproject.org Fri Dec 5 15:10:42 2008 From: fugolini at fedoraproject.org (Francesco Ugolini) Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2008 16:10:42 +0100 Subject: [Ambassadors] FAmSCo Town Hall Reminder - Saturday 6th 17.00 UTC Message-ID: This is a reminder for tomorrow, Saturday 6th at 17.00 UTC, FAmSCo IRC Town Hall [1]. All Ambassadors (especially FAmSCo candidates) are invited to be there to discuss about the future of the project and hear candidates plans. I want to thank Jon Stanley [2] that volunteers to moderate the discussion. Hope to see you there with questions, ideas and everything you want to say. [1] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Elections#Schedule [2] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Jstanley Best regards Francesco Ugolini From thinklinux.ssh at gmail.com Sat Dec 6 09:09:57 2008 From: thinklinux.ssh at gmail.com (susmit shannigrahi) Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2008 14:39:57 +0530 Subject: [Ambassadors] Media for Indian ambassadors shipped. Message-ID: Hi, Its my pleasure to let you know that finally the media has been shipped. Each shipment contains one i386 and one x86_64 F10 DVD. They will reach you in three days time. Thanks. -- Regards, Susmit. ============================================= ssh 0x86DD170A http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/user:susmit ============================================= From thinklinux.ssh at gmail.com Sat Dec 6 12:44:46 2008 From: thinklinux.ssh at gmail.com (susmit shannigrahi) Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2008 18:14:46 +0530 Subject: [Ambassadors] Applause to Santosh for donating 100 DVD for freemedia India. Message-ID: Hi all, A ton of thanks to Santosh[1] who has donated 100 DVD to fedora freemedia India. We were in talk for a few days, and I have received the shipment just now. Santosh, your help will be most helpful for us. How they are spent will be updated on the wiki. For the time being, I have updated the donation page.[2] Thanks again. [1]https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/user:santosh [2]http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Distribution/FreeMedia/Donation -- Regards, Susmit. ============================================= ssh 0x86DD170A http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/user:susmit ============================================= From fugolini at fedoraproject.org Sat Dec 6 13:03:05 2008 From: fugolini at fedoraproject.org (Francesco Ugolini) Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2008 14:03:05 +0100 Subject: [Ambassadors] Applause to Santosh for donating 100 DVD for freemedia India. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: 2008/12/6 susmit shannigrahi : > Hi all, > > A ton of thanks to Santosh[1] who has donated 100 DVD to fedora freemedia India. > We were in talk for a few days, and I have received the shipment just now. > Santosh, your help will be most helpful for us. > > How they are spent will be updated on the wiki. > For the time being, I have updated the donation page.[2] > > Thanks again. > > > [1]https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/user:santosh > [2]http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Distribution/FreeMedia/Donation > > > > -- > Regards, > Susmit. > I agree completely with you Susmit. A lot of thanks to Santosh from me too! Regards Francesco Ugolini From ujjwol at fedoraproject.org Sat Dec 6 13:16:00 2008 From: ujjwol at fedoraproject.org (Ujjwol Lamichhane) Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2008 01:16:00 -1200 Subject: [Ambassadors] Giving Presentation Message-ID: <775aa32d0812060516l283112b2pf50f1be422445ba5@mail.gmail.com> As a fedora ambassador i gave a presentation on features of F10 .I was quite busy so couldn't blog on it and my blog has also not been added the fedora planet.check this out: http://ujjwollamichhane.blogspot.com/2008/12/giving-presentation-in-fedora-10.html Regards Ujjwol -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kushaldas at gmail.com Sat Dec 6 13:25:48 2008 From: kushaldas at gmail.com (Kushal Das) Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2008 18:55:48 +0530 Subject: [Ambassadors] Giving Presentation In-Reply-To: <775aa32d0812060516l283112b2pf50f1be422445ba5@mail.gmail.com> References: <775aa32d0812060516l283112b2pf50f1be422445ba5@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: 2008/12/6 Ujjwol Lamichhane : > As a fedora ambassador i gave a presentation on features of F10 .I was quite > busy so couldn't blog on it and my blog has also not been added the fedora > planet.check this > out:http://ujjwollamichhane.blogspot.com/2008/12/giving-presentation-in-fedora-10.html > Nice work :) Also add your blog to the planet , then everyone can read it from there only. Kushal -- http://fedoraproject.org http://kushaldas.in From cskjain at gmail.com Sat Dec 6 16:08:53 2008 From: cskjain at gmail.com (Santosh Jain) Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2008 10:08:53 -0600 Subject: [Ambassadors] Applause to Santosh for donating 100 DVD for freemedia India. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Sat, Dec 6, 2008 at 7:03 AM, Francesco Ugolini < fugolini at fedoraproject.org> wrote: > 2008/12/6 susmit shannigrahi : > > Hi all, > > > > A ton of thanks to Santosh[1] who has donated 100 DVD to fedora freemedia > India. > > We were in talk for a few days, and I have received the shipment just > now. > > Santosh, your help will be most helpful for us. > > > > How they are spent will be updated on the wiki. > > For the time being, I have updated the donation page.[2] > > > > Thanks again. > > > > > > [1]https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/user:santosh > > [2]http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Distribution/FreeMedia/Donation > > > > > > > > -- > > Regards, > > Susmit. > > > > I agree completely with you Susmit. > > A lot of thanks to Santosh from me too! > > Regards > > Francesco Ugolini Thanks guys, Its just a small gesture of support to my community. I remember those days, when there used to be huge list of unattended requests from India and that list would ever increase. Susmit, i sincerely need to appreciate the way you've been handling things. Please keep me updated about the DVD's, so that i could replace them for the next time. Regards, Santosh -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From aj at akshayjain.org Sat Dec 6 16:11:08 2008 From: aj at akshayjain.org (Akshay Jain) Date: Sat, 06 Dec 2008 21:41:08 +0530 Subject: [Ambassadors] Applause to Santosh for donating 100 DVD for freemedia India. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Santosh, I must say that this was a great gesture! This will definately help promote Fedora all over India! thanks! Akshay On Sat, 06 Dec 2008 21:38:53 +0530, Santosh Jain wrote: > On Sat, Dec 6, 2008 at 7:03 AM, Francesco Ugolini < > fugolini at fedoraproject.org> wrote: > >> 2008/12/6 susmit shannigrahi : >> > Hi all, >> > >> > A ton of thanks to Santosh[1] who has donated 100 DVD to fedora >> freemedia >> India. >> > We were in talk for a few days, and I have received the shipment just >> now. >> > Santosh, your help will be most helpful for us. >> > >> > How they are spent will be updated on the wiki. >> > For the time being, I have updated the donation page.[2] >> > >> > Thanks again. >> > >> > >> > [1]https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/user:santosh >> > [2]http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Distribution/FreeMedia/Donation >> > >> > >> > >> > -- >> > Regards, >> > Susmit. >> > >> >> I agree completely with you Susmit. >> >> A lot of thanks to Santosh from me too! >> >> Regards >> >> Francesco Ugolini > > > Thanks guys, Its just a small gesture of support to my community. I > remember > those days, when there used to be huge list of unattended requests from > India and that list would ever increase. Susmit, i sincerely need to > appreciate the way you've been handling things. Please keep me updated > about > the DVD's, so that i could replace them for the next time. > > > Regards, > Santosh From fugolini at fedoraproject.org Sat Dec 6 18:24:12 2008 From: fugolini at fedoraproject.org (Francesco Ugolini) Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2008 19:24:12 +0100 Subject: [Ambassadors] FAmSCo Town Hall Log Message-ID: Here's the log of the FAmSCo Town Hall: http://mdomsch.fedorapeople.org/fedora-townhalls/2008-12-06-FAMSCo/fedora-townhall.2008-12-06.log.html I want to thank you Jon Stanley that moderate it, all the candidates and all the atteendes. I hope the log could help you decide Best regards Francesco Ugolini From larry.cafiero at gmail.com Sat Dec 6 20:33:21 2008 From: larry.cafiero at gmail.com (Larry Cafiero) Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2008 12:33:21 -0800 Subject: [Ambassadors] FAmSCo Town Hall Log In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <7a0d56080812061233u21207d63u62d29a35edbd825c@mail.gmail.com> Thanks, Francesco, for posting this log; thanks, Jon, for the great moderation; and thanks to everyone who participated. Again, I apologize for having to leave early -- I can talk about Fedora all day, and I often do. 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Best regards Francesco Ugolini [1] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-marketing-list/2008-December/msg00041.html From thinklinux.ssh at gmail.com Sun Dec 7 12:43:14 2008 From: thinklinux.ssh at gmail.com (susmit shannigrahi) Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2008 18:13:14 +0530 Subject: [Ambassadors] Re: [fedora-india] Media for Indian ambassadors shipped. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Sun, Dec 7, 2008 at 6:09 PM, Sri Ramadoss M wrote: > Hi, > > are images that can be made into stickers and pasted to plain dvd's available? http://susmit.fedorapeople.org/art/final/ -- Regards, Susmit. ============================================= ssh 0x86DD170A http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/user:susmit ============================================= From larry.cafiero at gmail.com Sun Dec 7 16:13:57 2008 From: larry.cafiero at gmail.com (Larry Cafiero) Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2008 08:13:57 -0800 Subject: [Ambassadors] Perhaps OT, but interesting news story Message-ID: <7a0d56080812070813y27ffedebpf465faf79ed8971d@mail.gmail.com> Hey, all -- Forgive me if this is off-topic -- and forgive me if this seems irrelevant, especially to those outside the U.S. -- but I thought I'd share this RH story that appeared in the Raleigh newspaper: http://www.newsobserver.com/business/story/1314667.html Hopefully the Associated Press picked up this story so I can run it in tomorrow's editions of the daily newspaper for which I work. 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That's all ;-) > > If you want the job, add your name to the Ambassadors meeting page [1] > and lead your first meeting at 2008-12-17. > > Kind regards > > Fabian > > [1] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/Meetings Just to bring it up again... -- Fingerprint: 2F6C 930F D3C4 7E38 6AFA 4EB4 E23C D2DD 36A4 397F Fedora always leads and never follows. From hagr182 at gmail.com Mon Dec 8 05:16:52 2008 From: hagr182 at gmail.com (Hector Alfonso Gonzalez Ramirez) Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2008 06:16:52 +0100 Subject: [Ambassadors] my apologies Message-ID: <1d24cdf80812072116o59d0ef89n7077bea2b7c25424@mail.gmail.com> As many of you noted I did not attend the town hall meetings held this saturday, the reason being that I was out of town at the time, I hope you can all forgive this fact; a friend of the family was getting married so I couldnt attend; But that does not means Im not willing to answer all your questions, you can send them here and I?ll answer inmediatly or if so you wish, we could all attend an extra official meeting. I truly hope we can arrange this, and if not I totally understand. At your service Hector Gonzalez. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Please do not send private "Welcome" Messages to Ambassador List -- Joerg (kital) Simon jsimon at fedoraproject.org http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/JoergSimon http://kitall.blogspot.com Key Fingerprint: 3691 0989 2DCA 58A2 8D1F 2CAC C823 558E 5B5B 5688 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part. URL: From mspevack at redhat.com Mon Dec 8 11:27:39 2008 From: mspevack at redhat.com (Max Spevack) Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2008 12:27:39 +0100 (CET) Subject: [Ambassadors] spending our Q4 money smartly and globally Message-ID: Hi Ambassadors, I'm a bit late with this, but I want to start talking about how we can divide up our Q4 money worldwide. There are two very specific goals that I have for the current round of budget: (1) Support the events that are taking place in December, January, and February. (2) Give regions the resources that they need to create swag, CDs, and any sort of marketing materials that the regional leadership wants. The hope is that all the stuff created can last for the entirety of the Fedora 10 release cycle, or reusable resources that folks need. In short, long-term planning with short-term money. =============== I've combined the "Global events and swag" line item with the "Fedora 10 marketing" line item, and removed a few thousand dollars to stash aside as a "buffer" that I like to maintain each quarter, for the unexpected. With that in mind, I want to discuss how we can allocate about $23k wisely. =============== I'm going to start with EMEA, because all year long, I've been planning that a big chunk of this Q4 money needs to go to the Fedora-fr team, to really jump-start their 2009 planning, give them the resources that they need for Linux Solutions, and to cover some swag production and smaller events that they organize. To that end, I'm going to earmark $5,000 USD for Fedora France (about 4000 EUR at today's exchange rates). My hope is that we can give Fedora France most of the money they'll need for 2009 now, and future budget needs will be a bit smaller. Feedback from the French team would be great. Another $5,000 USD (about 4000 EUR) should cover the rest of EMEA not only for Q4 (which includes FOSDEM), but also for creating any swag that will be used further down the road. I think that we need some new posters (the old ones are getting pretty beaten up), stickers, or whatever else folks want to purchase. EMEA -- about $10,000 USD total (about 8000 EUR), which will be transferred to either Fedora-fr non-profit or the Fedora EMEA e.V. non-profit. NA -- From an event perspective, Q4 is a bunch of smaller events, so in my mind I set aside about $2,000 for that. I'd like to set aside another $5,000 USD for the NA leadership to tell me the best way to spend it. Some of it is already allocated for the purchase of stickers in NA that Mairin Duffy is taking care of. NA -- about $7,000 USD total. LATAM doesn't have any events at all in Q4, but I'd still like to get about $3,000 USD spent on our behalf in that region, just to start to get shirts, stickers, posters, or whatever stuff they'll need as next year's conference season gets started. I expect that we'll spend more money on LATAM in the early parts of next year's budget. LATAM -- about $3,000 USD total. APAC -- I'd like to let Harish Pillay take charge (from Singapore) of getting a bunch of Fedora swag made up and available for distribution in that region to our Ambassadors. For this, and also for funding some of the events currently in that region, I'm allocating about $3,000. APAC -- about $3,000 USD total. =============== Other things to consider: Sankarshan continues to manage a budget for community stuff in India, so swag production in India as well as individual Ambassadors who need funding should go directly to him (but feel free to Cc me). =============== Feedback is welcome. Thanks, Max From mspevack at redhat.com Mon Dec 8 14:58:33 2008 From: mspevack at redhat.com (Max Spevack) Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2008 15:58:33 +0100 (CET) Subject: [Ambassadors] New Meeting leader for EMEA In-Reply-To: <493C020E.80200@fedoraproject.org> References: <4933010F.4050209@fedoraproject.org> <493C020E.80200@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: On Sun, 7 Dec 2008, Fabian Affolter wrote: > Just to bring it up again... I've got it. --Max From foss.mailinglists at gmail.com Mon Dec 8 15:57:06 2008 From: foss.mailinglists at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?B?IlNhbmthcnNoYW4gKOCmuOCmmeCnjeCmleCmsOCnjeCmt+Cmoyki?=) Date: Mon, 08 Dec 2008 21:27:06 +0530 Subject: [Ambassadors] Re: [fedora-india] Manipur Fedora 10 Release and Install Fest 2008 Event Report and Pictures In-Reply-To: <7cb778c60812070828i40e256a9kf832576b94ecb66c@mail.gmail.com> References: <7cb778c60812070828i40e256a9kf832576b94ecb66c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <493D43D2.2020401@gmail.com> Rishikesh Sharma wrote: > Manipur Fedora 10 Release and Install Fest 2008 held today at Nupilal > Complex, Imphal., The event report and pictures are available at > http://rishikeshsharma.blogspot.com. Nicely done. Do introduce the new users to the channels where from they can obtain help should they get stuck on some issue. -- http://www.gutenberg.net - Fine literature digitally re-published http://www.plos.org - Public Library of Science http://www.creativecommons.org - Flexible copyright for creative work From robert at fedoraproject.org Tue Dec 9 00:25:40 2008 From: robert at fedoraproject.org (Robert Scheck) Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2008 01:25:40 +0100 Subject: [Ambassadors] What Fedora makes sucking for me - or why I am NOT Fedora Message-ID: <20081209002540.GA25637@hurricane.linuxnetz.de> Good evening everybody, I've unluckily several points and issues, I'm trying to get solved for even for a longer time now (depending on the point on my list), but nobody in and around the Fedora Project seems or don't want to care about that. I am also annoyed, that I have to write such an e-mail, but the following really is, what Fedora makes sucking for me. Ah, and now first of all to the guys who will surely answer "use Ubuntu", "choose another distribution", "you're sucking as well" or similar: Go, run and die in a fire - immediately! I know, that this e-mail will make me the bogeyman for many of you, but that hopefully and luckily moves out Thorsten for a short time of his usual position while taking the seat myself... ;-) Well, we had the intrusion into the servers of the Fedora Project. That is now nearly 4 months ago. I remember to the words of our dear Fedora Project leader, who made us believing with the sentence "We will continue to keep the Fedora community notified of any updates." - but nothing happend after that. We all are still waiting for final report about the intrusion into the servers of the Fedora Project! Yes, we can: Open Source, but unluckily no Open Communication! Even the communication during the intrusion time was worse, e-mails to the Infrastructure team and to our Fedora Project leader got not really answered (or just when reasking and bugging) when asking for the issue and details even when it was mostly clear, that we're no longer really men about ourself - the intrusion. Our German translation is only quantitative, not qualitative. And the worse thing is, the team leader of the German translation team finds the current position and its current status okay. That's wrong and never should happen. If a German person is not able to understand the context of a translated sentence, the phrase should not be commited. Many people are even not re- reading the tsentence whether it has any meaning after the translation. But our team leader says, quantitative translation is okay. Ugly grammar and spelling issues are another thing; seems too much to re-read or to use a spellchecker before commiting - our teamleader says, that everything must fast go to upstream...great! I now know lots of German speaking people (in their mother tongue), which use Fedora only in English - including myself - to avoid the must of reading that horrible German. Surely, we can fix that, but if always people are working against, that does not help. Unluckily, language translations don't make it that often into Fedora updates during the lifetime of a Fedora release. So mostly, a broken translation is kept there for the whole release. But it's okay to be only quantitative and not qualitative, our team leader of the German translation project prays. Oh, we've the Live CD for a long time now. Did anybody use that medium on a slower, older computer? Surely not. Otherwise you would have noticed, that the Live CD is very slow there. The USB stick/variant may be fast, but the CD which we're now promoting at our download page better and more that the installation DVD, is IMHO not a good store sign as it is just slow. It even has not a localisation - folks, not the whole world is speaking english, just there is America on the worldmap! I know people from fairs, which are really frusted by their first try with a Live CD as it was just English. Yes, we maybe can create a spin, but these ones, we cannot offer on the FTP and HTTP mirrors, because Fedora is already too big. On the other hand, the issue of a non-US keyboard layout when trying to generate a localized version of the Live medium is still not fixed. There were some tries to solve that on LinuxTag 2008, but as far as I know, afterwards nobody again cared about and it went down. Remembering, that promoting our so cool Live CDs does not help in areas where the Internet is slow and old, I'm doing hereby, too. I don't want to remember, that the Fedora 8 Live media even killed crypted swap partitions...really a nice feature. By the way, does it do that still? Yeah, Anaconda got a bigger rewrite for Fedora 10 and took care of the old and often claimed issue, that the user needs to know the URL of a mirror in order to install Fedora via netinstall. But now, the screen got completely ripped out or is (if it really still exists, which I don't believe) too good hidden somewhere. Instead of that, somebody - that must have been an American - made the "repo=" option for the command line prompt if somebody wants to specify a local mirror. Urgs! At that point, no non-US keyboard layout is loaded! I now have to type something like "repo?http?--my.local- mirror-fedora-something-" or so on my non-US keyboard. Folks, the worldmap not only has American people with a US keyboard layout out there, even if some people think so. Even the "repo=xxx" is worse documented, but yes, who cares? Just me as it seems somehow... In order to support the RPM Fusion (former Livna) project, I tried to install the mirrormanager serverlist on a RHEL 4 with python 2.3 and having suexec in httpd enabled - and poorly failed. Mirrormanager is worse up to not documented at all and only focussed to RHEL 5+. So for a not really mirrormanager specific person it is nearly impossible to run mirrormanager serverlist in a secured/hardend environment out of the box without taking much action. Luckily I got support for several python 2.3 specific issues by a mirror admin and by the webteam leader - unluckily not so much help by the developer of mirrormanager who caused the stuff...I'm still getting a zombie process after a request by the *.wsgi which is surely no feature. Pushing packages into Fedora still takes ages in form of days or weeks. And this unluckily and especially also for security updates. The reason for this seems to be Bodhi, as the updates are usually happening very fast on EPEL which hasn't Bodhi. For EPEL it normally just takes hours, for Fedora mostly multiple days up to a week. I know, what I'm talking about here, I am co-maintaining phpMyAdmin which has more holes that a swiss cheese; the EPEL people know very well, what I'm talking about, too. I also had a lot of other security updates for other packages during 2008 and EPEL is always faster there, why Fedora is so slow? There must be a real reason, why we do not get rid of this for a long time now...and I would like to see this same good or even well in Fedora as in EPEL - or do we have to kill bodhi first? Hmmm, the "Merge Reviews" that somewhere have been declared as blockers for Fedora 7 (!) are still not done. It AFAIK was said somewhen, that not reviewed packages are getting removed from Fedora. This did not happen for anything, yet. The "Merge Reviews" are sometimes also blocked by Red Hat employees for very base/core packages by just refusing the Fedora Packaging guidelines, because it's the packager of the package. This can't be case! The Red Hat people have to follow the Fedora packaging guidelines and rules same as the Fedora folks - without any exception! If you would like to know which packages and people I'm talking about, have a look to Bugzilla and search for the bug reports I'm watching via Cc - there are lots of examples out there...without wanting to blame somebody special here on the list. But this has to be solved, the reviews need to be done, and the Red Hat people sitting on some base/core packages, must follow the Fedora rules same and without any refusing as they currently do. BTW, why is nobody controlling the success of the "Merge Reviews"? Shouldn't somebody watch this and tell us all the progress inside of e.g. the weekly Fedora newsletter or so? Oh, did I mention, that RPM 4.6, our dear big change in RPM at Fedora for years now is still buggy and so? When reading the article about a review of Fedora 10 by pro-linux.de (http://www.pro-linux.de/berichte/fedora10.html), I had to notice, that our dear rpm.org developers still did not get rid of the "hanging rpm" now must be solved by killing the RPM processes, removing the /var/lib/rpm/__* and rebuilding the rpmdb. Putting the (now cheap) oil into the fire would be a solution: rpm5.org solved the above mentioned very annoying issue already years ago. But yes I know, some yum developing and supporting individuals don't like the rpm5.org project by other individuals even not honoring their work, but even not backporting the fixes, developed there to solve old problems. I don't know of any "feature" in rpm.org, that is not already in rpm5.org; why do we put double efforts with so much delay in rpm.org when rpm5.org already has done the work? And before I know hear some derogatives about rpm5.org people: You're always getting the echo for what you did, but unluckily you often do not always remember to what you did or say before - and that AFAIK applies to all rpm5.org people related personal issues. And if we are now RPM; are there advantages of having some kinds of an APT API? PackageKit, another broken software which is in a pre-bleeding edge state I would say. PackageKit is resizing windows during installation or updating of packages; it's resizing and thus hopping the window if I e.g. select a package or if I click around inside of the application. That's something, which proves, that there is no usability for end users yet. That's IMHO more worse than alpha - but we're shipping it with releases, yay. And the related GNOME tray utility is also slow and usually is behind the current action...that's packagekitd, yes? One of these utilities also often blocks the usage of yum with saying, that another application currently holds the lock. Why are we locking something when not performing a writing action on the RPM database? That seems to be mis-engineered very well. Independent of that, PackageKit is somehow slow, has issues that it doesn't understand always where it is or whether an action is already completed. Oh and it kills my Firefox nicely during package updating, well-well done. Some more experiences about the broken-ness are mentioned in the review of Fedora 10 on pro-linux.de (http://www.pro-linux.de/berichte/fedora10.html). Why do we ship such software? Only because we're bleeding edge and want to beat the guys of Ubuntu? When talking about PackageKit, DBUS is another issue. The recent DBUS pkg update broke PackageKit stuff - thanks to our cool QA. And clever as we are, we did not revoke the update and we also did not push a fixed package really immediately out after to solve this. I know, that many of the desktop people actually love DBUS, but it is horrible stuff, which can break down much things with lacking QA like in this case. Did you desktop people ever think about, that DBUS is not the perfect choice for a server system and Fedora is some kind of preview of RHEL? Yes, Fedora is not the playground of Red Hat, but on the other hand, Fedora is - why else is Red Hat putting efforts into Fedora if they wouldn't benefit? I really can only hope here, that Red Hat removes much of the DBUS breakage and dumbness for the next RHEL release and that less DBUS linked packages are making it into there... And as we're cool, we need a daemon for everything: packagekitd, dbusd, hal daemon, mcstransd, setroubleshootd, yum-updatesd - yay. And nearly every of this daemons is written in the memory consuming python and has nice memory leaks or other breakdown bugs. mcstransd is still slower for me (even after the speedup somebody of the SELinux guys did) as previous implementation without the daemon. But yes, we need daemons; restorecond would now be just another example. I think, there's much more which can be solved without a daemon and at least without memory-wasting worse written python. I'm aware, that python is the Red Hat internal defacto default and that scripting is much more faster rather coding low-level C. But lets waste ressources as e.g. kerneloops daemon does which always consumes a bit of CPU and thus not increases the consuming of energy in a positive way. But hey, let's create another daemon to monitor where we're wasting and leaking memory... Plymouth is nice - sometimes. Why did we put so much effort into that? It does not work with many graphic cards and it doesn't make things really faster for me. You also forgot to put a message somewhere, that hitting ESC can abort that thing and showing the regular messages instead. But this is what is "usability" called, when putting such an information not onto the screen. Maybe plymouth is faster as previous stuff, possible. But compared with the work of Arjan van de Ven, Linux developer at Intel and author of PowerTOP, it's still slow. He's booting up an Asus EeePC within 5 seconds; with plymouth it anyway takes a multiple of that for me. But yes, plymouth looks nice to end users and we like to waste time for that. When already being on booting: Does somebody remember to the Ubuntu stuff we really needed some releases ago? I'm talking about upstart, the event driven/based init system we've been hot to. And now? We're using the compat mode and that's it. Everything else uses just the same compatibility mode and AFAIK nothing in Fedora uses the "advantages" of upstart. But yes, we are bleeding edge with that. Did it make sense? No. But we wanted it. Okay. Why the hell did we need a event driven/based init system so much, if we still are not using any features of it and replacing the old init skeleton by the new things? I thought, we're bleeding edge? Looks like we only need to have the latest sharp razor, but we're never using it for cutting. Is upstream of upstart still alive? And is there any forward development some where in the world? Fedora EMEA e.V. also seems to be a mostly dead tree. Of course we have founded the association as legal vehicle. But it would be nice to see where my money, my membership fee, the 128 Euro per year are spent to. I now could assume, that the money is just collected and nothing happens or some guys of the board are buying and eating ice cream with, but I really hope that's not true. Fedora EMEA e.V. really needs to communicate a bit more to its members what they're doing and how the money is handled. Organisation is lacking much transparency and about their activities. AFAIK, a mailing list for the members of Fedora EMEA e.V. was created, I think it never was used yet. 128 Euro per year is IMHO too much for the current level of what seems to happen with the money. And for that money I could support the Free Software Foundation Europe (FSFE) with multiple membership fees per year. And sorry, just one cool bathrobe isn't a good reason for spending 128 Euro away per year. Without enough transparency and communication, it's like throwing the money out of the window of my room. If you're reading this, you've hopefully read all I wrote above. The main issue is, that all of the issues are known (if you try to tell me something else you're either blind and deaf-mute or you don't care about Fedora that much) - to their leader/owner and to others inside of the Fedora Project. But nobody really follows, is having a look to these issues and problems or even takes care of it...why? I think, this should be the job of the Fedora Project leader, shouldn't it? I don't want to blame neither Paul nor Max in this e-mail, I think everybody of us needs to be more sensitive to issues around the Fedora Project and needs to take more care before developing or forking something. And things exist, we don't need to re-invent always the wheel just because it's cool and bleeding edge. More work to get patches to upstream and so would avoid some of the pseudo-forks on Fedora Hosted as well. We definately need Open Communication, not only Open Source. But as it seems, even Fedora Talk didn't help that until now. So maybe the "f" of Free spech got lost somewhere in the latest slogan redesign? Oh...I'm really sorry now, that I used the phrase "bleeding edge" together with "Fedora" and that I called "Fedora" as "bleeding edge". I already got dispraised multiple times by individuals (eg. as part of the Fedora website team), that I think, Fedora is bleeding edge. If you've really read all of my irony, frustration, comments and suggestions above, you should have to agree with me, that Fedora is "bleeding edge". Fedora is far away from stable, it's a sharp razor with many edges where somebody can be easily cut with - and that's why we mostly like it. My points above are what Fedora makes sucking for me - or why I am NOT Fedora! At least I'm thinking that. Maybe you're thinking about my e-mail before replying. I would also like to hear comments (even private ones) by the affected parts of the Fedora Project. Thanks for taking the time. Greetings, Robert From robert at fedoraproject.org Tue Dec 9 00:33:21 2008 From: robert at fedoraproject.org (Robert Scheck) Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2008 01:33:21 +0100 Subject: [Ambassadors] Re: What Fedora makes sucking for me - or why I am NOT Fedora In-Reply-To: <20081209002540.GA25637@hurricane.linuxnetz.de> Message-ID: <20081209003321.GA14689@hurricane.linuxnetz.de> On Tue, 09 Dec 2008, Robert Scheck wrote: > My points above are what Fedora makes sucking for me - or why I am NOT > Fedora! At least I'm thinking that. Oh...and to be clear, I currently do not have any plans to leave Fedora. It's still my favourite Linux distribution :) And I really would like to see the things getting better...thus such an e-mail. 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It's far to rambling, even for me... and that's saying a lot. -jef From thomas.canniot at mrtomlinux.org Mon Dec 8 20:39:41 2008 From: thomas.canniot at mrtomlinux.org (Thomas Canniot) Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2008 21:39:41 +0100 Subject: [Ambassadors] spending our Q4 money smartly and globally In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20081208213941.77d4250c@mrtomlinux.org> Le Mon, 8 Dec 2008 12:27:39 +0100 (CET), Max Spevack a ?crit : > Hi Ambassadors, > > I'm a bit late with this, but I want to start talking about how we > can divide up our Q4 money worldwide. > > There are two very specific goals that I have for the current round > of budget: > > (1) Support the events that are taking place in December, January, > and February. > > (2) Give regions the resources that they need to create swag, CDs, > and any sort of marketing materials that the regional leadership > wants. The hope is that all the stuff created can last for the > entirety of the Fedora 10 release cycle, or reusable resources that > folks need. In short, long-term planning with short-term money. > > =============== > > I've combined the "Global events and swag" line item with the "Fedora > 10 marketing" line item, and removed a few thousand dollars to stash > aside as a "buffer" that I like to maintain each quarter, for the > unexpected. > > With that in mind, I want to discuss how we can allocate about $23k > wisely. > > =============== > > I'm going to start with EMEA, because all year long, I've been > planning that a big chunk of this Q4 money needs to go to the > Fedora-fr team, to really jump-start their 2009 planning, give them > the resources that they need for Linux Solutions, and to cover some > swag production and smaller events that they organize. To that end, > I'm going to earmark $5,000 USD for Fedora France (about 4000 EUR at > today's exchange rates). My hope is that we can give Fedora France > most of the money they'll need for 2009 now, and future budget needs > will be a bit smaller. Feedback from the French team would be great. > > Another $5,000 USD (about 4000 EUR) should cover the rest of EMEA not > only for Q4 (which includes FOSDEM), but also for creating any swag > that will be used further down the road. I think that we need some > new posters (the old ones are getting pretty beaten up), stickers, or > whatever else folks want to purchase. > > EMEA -- about $10,000 USD total (about 8000 EUR), which will be > transferred to either Fedora-fr non-profit or the Fedora EMEA e.V. > non-profit. Hello Max ! I'm very glad you decided to lend us such amount of money. This is obviously the higher amount we cold have dreamt of. I say "lend" because it represent an investment from Fedora Project to lend this money, as the whole projet benefits from the incredible job that every French ambassador achieve on his own. This lets us a wide field of action to actively promote fedora in France AND other French speaking countries, which are going to be more and more our targets in the upcoming months. As usual, if we have more money than we have dreams, we will not accept more money and will continue to live on what you offered us. We had a successful install fest this week end, I will come very soon with a little report about it with nice pictures. ;) Thanks a lot, Regards Thomas Canniot > > NA -- From an event perspective, Q4 is a bunch of smaller events, so > in my mind I set aside about $2,000 for that. I'd like to set aside > another $5,000 USD for the NA leadership to tell me the best way to > spend it. Some of it is already allocated for the purchase of > stickers in NA that Mairin Duffy is taking care of. > > NA -- about $7,000 USD total. > > LATAM doesn't have any events at all in Q4, but I'd still like to get > about $3,000 USD spent on our behalf in that region, just to start to > get shirts, stickers, posters, or whatever stuff they'll need as next > year's conference season gets started. I expect that we'll spend > more money on LATAM in the early parts of next year's budget. > > LATAM -- about $3,000 USD total. > > APAC -- I'd like to let Harish Pillay take charge (from Singapore) of > getting a bunch of Fedora swag made up and available for distribution > in that region to our Ambassadors. For this, and also for funding > some of the events currently in that region, I'm allocating about > $3,000. > > APAC -- about $3,000 USD total. > > =============== > > Other things to consider: > > Sankarshan continues to manage a budget for community stuff in India, > so swag production in India as well as individual Ambassadors who > need funding should go directly to him (but feel free to Cc me). > > =============== > > Feedback is welcome. > > Thanks, > Max > > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 197 bytes Desc: not available URL: From jonstanley at gmail.com Tue Dec 9 02:36:00 2008 From: jonstanley at gmail.com (Jon Stanley) Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2008 21:36:00 -0500 Subject: [Ambassadors] Re: What Fedora makes sucking for me - or why I am NOT Fedora In-Reply-To: <20081209002540.GA25637@hurricane.linuxnetz.de> References: <20081209002540.GA25637@hurricane.linuxnetz.de> Message-ID: As Jeff noted in his email after I started composing this, this is very rambling. I've attempted to reply to every point in this mail that I feel I'm qualified to. Maybe we could split this out into major sub-threads? On Mon, Dec 8, 2008 at 7:25 PM, Robert Scheck wrote: > Good evening everybody, > > I've unluckily several points and issues, I'm trying to get solved for even > for a longer time now (depending on the point on my list), but nobody in > and around the Fedora Project seems or don't want to care about that. I am > also annoyed, that I have to write such an e-mail, but the following really > is, what Fedora makes sucking for me. I'll reply where I feel I'm qualified here. > Ah, and now first of all to the guys who will surely answer "use Ubuntu", > "choose another distribution", "you're sucking as well" or similar: Go, run > and die in a fire - immediately! I know, that this e-mail will make me the > bogeyman for many of you, but that hopefully and luckily moves out Thorsten > for a short time of his usual position while taking the seat myself... ;-) Nah, this sort of feedback is extremely valuable, and I'm really happy that you took the time to write it. Without honest, frank feedback about where we're going wrong, there's nothing that we can do to improve. > Well, we had the intrusion into the servers of the Fedora Project. That is > now nearly 4 months ago. I remember to the words of our dear Fedora Project > leader, who made us believing with the sentence "We will continue to keep > the Fedora community notified of any updates." - but nothing happend after > that. We all are still waiting for final report about the intrusion into > the servers of the Fedora Project! Yes, we can: Open Source, but unluckily > no Open Communication! Even the communication during the intrusion time was > worse, e-mails to the Infrastructure team and to our Fedora Project leader > got not really answered (or just when reasking and bugging) when asking for > the issue and details even when it was mostly clear, that we're no longer > really men about ourself - the intrusion. I have no firsthand knowledge of this beyond what anybody else does. However, there is likely still an investigation ongoing into what happened. As such, it would be inappropriate to share information about it until law enforcement is complete with their work (which they are not known to be fast about), and the lawyers say what's OK to share without spoiling any possible litigation. > Our German translation is only quantitative, not qualitative. And the worse > thing is, the team leader of the German translation team finds the current > position and its current status okay. That's wrong and never should happen. > If a German person is not able to understand the context of a translated > sentence, the phrase should not be commited. Many people are even not re- > reading the tsentence whether it has any meaning after the translation. But > our team leader says, quantitative translation is okay. Ugly grammar and > spelling issues are another thing; seems too much to re-read or to use a > spellchecker before commiting - our teamleader says, that everything must > fast go to upstream...great! I now know lots of German speaking people (in > their mother tongue), which use Fedora only in English - including myself - > to avoid the must of reading that horrible German. Surely, we can fix that, > but if always people are working against, that does not help. Unluckily, > language translations don't make it that often into Fedora updates during > the lifetime of a Fedora release. So mostly, a broken translation is kept > there for the whole release. But it's okay to be only quantitative and not > qualitative, our team leader of the German translation project prays. Unfortunately, I am one of those people that only speaks American English. However, if I were German and being forced to read phrases that I didn't understand because they were translated poorly, I'd attempt to correct the translation. If the local leader feels this is OK, I would take the matter to FLSCo, and attempt to assume the leader role yourself (if you have the time and desire to do so). If you don't have the time, find someone else who shares your views, and work with them. > Oh, we've the Live CD for a long time now. Did anybody use that medium on a > slower, older computer? Surely not. Otherwise you would have noticed, that > the Live CD is very slow there. The USB stick/variant may be fast, but the CD's are as slow as the reader, which is agonizingly slow on any computer, not really restricted to older ones. Obviously newer computers would probably have faster drives, more RAM, etc, and I've found various LiveCD's acceptable on newer hardware. I unfortunately don't have anything to test on that would be considered "older hardware" - I did before I moved to a tiny apartment, but that stuff had to stay behind :) > CD which we're now promoting at our download page better and more that the > installation DVD, is IMHO not a good store sign as it is just slow. It even > has not a localisation - folks, not the whole world is speaking english, I agree that this is unfortunate, and also note that Ubuntu does a better job than we do in this area, with a menu to select the language when booting the Live CD. Maybe something that could be worked on. If you have experience, feel free to pitch in! I've not engaged in a comparison between the Ubuntu Live CD and ours, however I'm assuming that they sacrifice a lot of functionality on the Live CD in order to have room for the various languages. Everything is a trade-off, unfortunately. > just there is America on the worldmap! I know people from fairs, which are > really frusted by their first try with a Live CD as it was just English. > Yes, we maybe can create a spin, but these ones, we cannot offer on the FTP > and HTTP mirrors, because Fedora is already too big. On the other hand, the What can be offered is a torrent, not ideal but better than nothing. > issue of a non-US keyboard layout when trying to generate a localized > version of the Live medium is still not fixed. There were some tries to > solve that on LinuxTag 2008, but as far as I know, afterwards nobody again > cared about and it went down. Remembering, that promoting our so cool Live > CDs does not help in areas where the Internet is slow and old, I'm doing In what way does it not help? > hereby, too. I don't want to remember, that the Fedora 8 Live media even > killed crypted swap partitions...really a nice feature. By the way, does it > do that still? I'm not familiar with that. > Yeah, Anaconda got a bigger rewrite for Fedora 10 and took care of the old > and often claimed issue, that the user needs to know the URL of a mirror in > order to install Fedora via netinstall. But now, the screen got completely > ripped out or is (if it really still exists, which I don't believe) too > good hidden somewhere. Instead of that, somebody - that must have been an > American - made the "repo=" option for the command line prompt if somebody > wants to specify a local mirror. Urgs! At that point, no non-US keyboard > layout is loaded! I now have to type something like "repo?http?--my.local- > mirror-fedora-something-" or so on my non-US keyboard. Folks, the worldmap > not only has American people with a US keyboard layout out there, even if > some people think so. Even the "repo=xxx" is worse documented, but yes, who > cares? Just me as it seems somehow... I certainly don't think that, even though I'm an American. This really falls into the area of usability and QA. Most of our QA contributors are in the US, and I didn't have as much time as I would have liked this time around due to $DAYJOB constraints. However, my local mirror is set up in MirrorManager, such that it gets delivered to me first in mirrorlists, so I likely wouldn't have noticed this anyway, unfortuantely. ' > In order to support the RPM Fusion (former Livna) project, I tried to > install the mirrormanager serverlist on a RHEL 4 with python 2.3 and having > suexec in httpd enabled - and poorly failed. Mirrormanager is worse up to > not documented at all and only focussed to RHEL 5+. So for a not really MirrorManager was designed for use in Fedora Infrastructure, which happens to run on RHEL5. No one ever claimed that it was possible to run it on RHEL4, however efforts were made to get it working for you. > mirrormanager specific person it is nearly impossible to run mirrormanager > serverlist in a secured/hardend environment out of the box without taking > much action. Luckily I got support for several python 2.3 specific issues If I recall, you were attempting to make it do things that it was not ever designed or purported to be able to do. > by a mirror admin and by the webteam leader - unluckily not so much help by > the developer of mirrormanager who caused the stuff...I'm still getting a > zombie process after a request by the *.wsgi which is surely no feature. Note that the author of MM (Matt Domsch), while I don't like to speak for him, is not a python guru, just a "normal" python programmer. You received help from python gurus. Also, MM was our first TurboGears app in infrastructure, and there are surely bugs with it. Matt graciously accepts patches. > Pushing packages into Fedora still takes ages in form of days or weeks. And > this unluckily and especially also for security updates. The reason for Package pushes continue to b e a manual process. However, the last package that I pushed took less than 24 hours. > not get rid of this for a long time now...and I would like to see this same > good or even well in Fedora as in EPEL - or do we have to kill bodhi first? No need to kill bodhi, simply implement a signing server in a secure fashion. > without any refusing as they currently do. BTW, why is nobody controlling > the success of the "Merge Reviews"? Shouldn't somebody watch this and tell > us all the progress inside of e.g. the weekly Fedora newsletter or so? This sounds like a perfect opportunity for you to assume a leadership role within the community (the second one so far in this mail!). Fedora is a culture of contribution, if you notice problems such as this, then it is entirely within your power to fix it. You need to find a likeminded group of folks, and proceed to implement a solution. > Oh, did I mention, that RPM 4.6, our dear big change in RPM at Fedora for I can't really comment on this. > > PackageKit, another broken software which is in a pre-bleeding edge state I Again, I can't really comment on this except for the last part. We are not wanting to "beat" Ubuntu to anything - there's not an arms race here or anything like that. We are simply normally the first to adopt > When talking about PackageKit, DBUS is another issue. The recent DBUS pkg > update broke PackageKit stuff - thanks to our cool QA. And clever as we Unfortunately I don't think that I can tell from bodhi what the initial request for this particular update was, testing or stable. I suspect stable, since it was a security update, and it was pushed within 2 hours of the update being submitted. Therefore, there was no opportunity for QA. However, QA is an area where we are desperately lacking resources. Help is welcome there. > And as we're cool, we need a daemon for everything: packagekitd, dbusd, hal > daemon, mcstransd, setroubleshootd, yum-updatesd - yay. And nearly every of You are free to turn them off if you find that you don't need them. How else would you suggest we implement these services? > Plymouth is nice - sometimes. Why did we put so much effort into that? It > does not work with many graphic cards and it doesn't make things really > faster for me. You also forgot to put a message somewhere, that hitting ESC Please file a bug about that and see where it goes. > When already being on booting: Does somebody remember to the Ubuntu stuff > we really needed some releases ago? I'm talking about upstart, the event > driven/based init system we've been hot to. And now? We're using the compat > mode and that's it. Everything else uses just the same compatibility mode Ubuntu also simply uses the compatibility mode. Some features of upstart to enable us to make more use of it did not make it into 0.5, so we're continuing in compatibility mode. Casey Dahlin could shed more light on this. > Fedora EMEA e.V. also seems to be a mostly dead tree. Of course we have > founded the association as legal vehicle. But it would be nice to see where Interesting, I thought that it was going well. Perhaps you should ask FAmSCo to enlighten us here? > > If you're reading this, you've hopefully read all I wrote above. The main > issue is, that all of the issues are known (if you try to tell me something > else you're either blind and deaf-mute or you don't care about Fedora that > much) - to their leader/owner and to others inside of the Fedora Project. There are several issues noted above where *you* could be the leader/owner if you wanted to be, and I would encourage that, and will help in any way that I can. > But nobody really follows, is having a look to these issues and problems or > even takes care of it...why? I think, this should be the job of the Fedora > Project leader, shouldn't it? I don't want to blame neither Paul nor Max in > this e-mail, I think everybody of us needs to be more sensitive to issues I really don't think that the FPL could possibly personally oversee each and every thing that goes on in Fedora, his job is to make sure overall things are going in the right direction. However, I expect Paul to respond to this once he's had a chance to digest it (note that this response has taken me over an hour to write). > well. We definately need Open Communication, not only Open Source. But as > it seems, even Fedora Talk didn't help that until now. So maybe the "f" of > Free spech got lost somewhere in the latest slogan redesign? Communication is an area where any distributed organization could undoubtedly do better. Fedora is no exception. This was recently mentioned in the election townhalls, for instance. > Oh...I'm really sorry now, that I used the phrase "bleeding edge" together > with "Fedora" and that I called "Fedora" as "bleeding edge". I already got > dispraised multiple times by individuals (eg. as part of the Fedora website > team), that I think, Fedora is bleeding edge. If you've really read all of I think that Fedora is "the best of what works today", and that involves being on the leading edge of advancement in the FOSS community. Does this mean that a little blood is necessarily shed from time to time? Absolutely. However, it also doesn't mean Fedora is hemorrhaging :) > the affected parts of the Fedora Project. Thanks for taking the time. I'd like to thank you for taking the time to write this! From herlo1 at gmail.com Mon Dec 8 22:34:03 2008 From: herlo1 at gmail.com (Clint Savage) Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2008 15:34:03 -0700 Subject: [Ambassadors] UTAH F10 Release Party - Report Message-ID: This past Saturday was the Fedora 10 release party for Utah. I planned it apparently on a day when most folks in Utah are attending Holiday parties or have family events. I planned for approximately 30 people to attend, bought food, the whole nine yards, and I guess I was being *really* optimistic. However, we had just 5 people attend. It wasn't a total loss though. We did break out the video recording equipment that can do a screencast from boot. I believe we were able to install Cambridge on 3 different machines and should have a good video experience installing F10 once post-processing is completed. The big hit was Plymouth, and I was able to modify my boot sequence from the 'solar' to the 'pulse' theme. There are other themes, and maybe I'll do a screencast of them in the near future. Sounds like something fun to do actually. Of the folks that arrived, we were able to install two machines fully, and get one upgraded as well. In addition, we had a late arrival who had a macbook G3 and while he had already installed F10, we tinkered with the VESA modes to see if we could get plymouth working, but ran out of time. I do have a few pictures, but have yet to post them. I hope to have them up soon. Cheers, Clint From inode0 at gmail.com Tue Dec 9 04:41:20 2008 From: inode0 at gmail.com (inode0) Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2008 22:41:20 -0600 Subject: [Ambassadors] FAmNA Meeting Summary from 2008-12-03 Message-ID: Apologies for being a week late getting these out ... I'll try to do better in the coming weeks. * Announcements - A new ambassador has offered to represent Fedora at the St. Louis BarCamp in December. Will propose a Cobbler session. - Max Spevack (and others) will be doing some interesting classes on IRC this weekend. Please attend if you can. https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/IRC/Classroom - Request for ambassadors to blog about IRC Classroom this week and to volunteer to teach. * F10 Media Distribution - x86 Live gnome media ordered and should be available soonish - x86_64 Live and both x86 and x86_64 DVDs to be ordered later this week - How media will be distributed was discussed * Should we get a UPS or FedEx account for this? * Media will be shipped to the four regional ambassadors and they will process requests from ambassadors for events * Q4 Goals - 3 BarCamps / 2 scheduled currently - Discussion of other quantifiable goals - Discussion of a specialized sign-up page to use at events to help ambassadors track new contributors who sign up at events - 12-15 events in the quarter reported on the event page * Tasks [https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/NA/Tasks] - Bulk ordering event swag Brian Powell discussed some ideas about bulk ordering swag for NA. While loads of small items can be reasonably purchased the one big item where tremendous volume savings are possible is t-shirts. An order of 300 t-shirts is around $1000, so we need to think about funding this order in some way as this is way more bang for the buck than what we've been doing. * Open Floor - Suggestion for a tutorial for "Fedora in a nutshell" similar to one provided by the Debian. Need to investigate this document and compare it with existing Fedora documentation. I would again like to thank all the participants, especially the new ambassadors joining us for the first time tonight. From inode0 at gmail.com Tue Dec 9 04:43:48 2008 From: inode0 at gmail.com (inode0) Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2008 22:43:48 -0600 Subject: [Ambassadors] FAmNA Meeting Minutes from 2008-12-03 Message-ID: (08:00:43 PM) inode0: Ok, let's being the meeting tonight with Roll Call (08:00:46 PM) Quickstart: true (08:00:47 PM) inode0: begin (08:01:00 PM) ***ke4qqq is here (08:01:06 PM) Quickstart: QUICKSTART HERE (08:01:20 PM) crossbytes: crossbytes here (08:01:21 PM) ***DemonJester present (08:01:25 PM) herlo: .fasinfo herlo (08:01:27 PM) zodbot: herlo: User: herlo, Name: Clint Savage, email: herlo1 at gmail.com, Creation: 2007-05-20, IRC Nick: herlo, Timezone: UTC, Locale: en, Extension: 5101661 (08:01:28 PM) ***loupgaroublond (08:01:28 PM) zodbot: herlo: Approved Groups: cla_done web fedorabugs packager docs ambassadors art freemedia cla_fedora gitspins gitinstall-guide (08:01:29 PM) zodbot: herlo: Unapproved Groups: marketing (08:01:44 PM) DemonJester: .fasinfo Luisotero2 (08:01:45 PM) zodbot: DemonJester: An error has occurred and has been logged. 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(08:02:00 PM) DemonJester: :( (08:02:03 PM) loupgaroublond: .fasinfo ynemoy (08:02:04 PM) zodbot: loupgaroublond: User: ynemoy, Name: Yaakov Meir Nemoy, email: loupgaroublond at gmail.com, Creation: 2007-05-29, IRC Nick: loupgaroublond, Timezone: UTC, Locale: en, Extension: 5101728 (08:02:06 PM) zodbot: loupgaroublond: Approved Groups: cla_done fedorabugs ambassadors hgsmolt gitrevisor cla_fedora sysadmin-test gitwevisor gitfas gsoc_2008 gitnetbookdora (08:02:07 PM) DemonJester: doesnt like us (08:02:08 PM) zodbot: loupgaroublond: Unapproved Groups: None (08:02:16 PM) inode0: for the new folks hit the meeting page to see tonight's agenda please (08:02:27 PM) herlo: it's in the topic (08:02:32 PM) inode0: Announcements ... (08:02:39 PM) inode0: I have two (08:02:51 PM) ***herlo has one (08:02:59 PM) Quickstart: inode the meeting page is blank (08:03:02 PM) loupgaroublond: i'm just kibitzing :) (08:03:12 PM) herlo: Quickstart: no it's not (08:03:17 PM) inode0: (1) during last week's discussion about BarCamps we recruited coverage at the St. Louis BarCamp this month (08:03:53 PM) inode0: hopefully we have a new ambassador in that area, plan is to propose a cobbler talk (08:04:05 PM) herlo: cool! (08:04:08 PM) ke4qqq: +1 (08:04:11 PM) Quickstart: sounds good (08:04:17 PM) ke4qqq: is it on /Events? (08:04:20 PM) loupgaroublond: when is it? (08:04:37 PM) herlo: ke4qqq: you mean /FedoraEvents :) (08:04:46 PM) inode0: oh, I'm not sure if it is ... the event is on the 13th (08:05:18 PM) inode0: I'll talk to Jimmy about getting it on the events page if it isn't (08:05:19 PM) ke4qqq: herlo: no - I mean http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Events (08:05:45 PM) ke4qqq: and yes I know it's redirect, but (08:05:54 PM) herlo: see :) (08:05:54 PM) Quickstart: where is the BarCamp located? (08:05:58 PM) herlo: st louis (08:06:01 PM) inode0: (2) previously I announced Max Spevack's February IRC class (08:06:21 PM) inode0: A second one has been added for this Saturday (08:06:29 PM) inode0: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/IRC/Classroom (08:06:50 PM) inode0: Please try to attend one of them even though both are at funny times for NA :( (08:07:03 PM) Quickstart: will do (08:07:07 PM) ke4qqq: is this worth trying to get spevack to hold during one of our famna meetings? (08:07:33 PM) inode0: I'll report back if I am awake at 6am this Saturday :) (08:07:46 PM) inode0: I plan to try (08:07:49 PM) Quickstart: *chuckle (08:08:08 PM) inode0: I'm sure any talk by Max with us would be worthwhile (08:08:19 PM) DemonJester: +1 (08:08:32 PM) herlo: here's my announcement: just want to remind everyone in here to blog about Fedora Classroom this week. Sooner the better! We still need to fill most of Sunday (08:08:41 PM) ke4qqq: yeah but 9pm EST is painful for him (08:09:12 PM) inode0: and I'll add that there are other nice class opportunities by some of our ambassador peers this weekend as well (08:09:20 PM) inode0: so do consider the other classes too (08:09:40 PM) herlo: the point of Classroom is to get people who usually are in #fedora or on fedoraforum.org involved. But we need topics to present. It's really not that hard and you can do a presentation on anything relevant. I've done one on SELinux basics and am presenting on LVM and RAID this Saturday (08:10:04 PM) herlo: I mean just LVM (08:10:22 PM) inode0: next item? (08:10:45 PM) inode0: F10 Media Distribution - herlo (08:10:47 PM) herlo: +1 (08:11:06 PM) herlo: okay, so I am starting to get requests for media to be delivered to individual Ambassadors (08:11:13 PM) herlo: I had one yesterday and one last week (08:11:32 PM) herlo: I expect those to grow, but I want us to discuss how we plan to distribute the media (08:11:40 PM) ***ke4qqq wonders if he can make a request for media (08:11:45 PM) herlo: ke4qqq: haha (08:11:46 PM) herlo: yes (08:11:51 PM) DemonJester: Regionals distibute? (08:11:51 PM) herlo: here's the thing (08:12:03 PM) herlo: I will get the cd's approx Dec 10 (08:12:09 PM) herlo: that's my guess (08:12:19 PM) loupgaroublond: is the media not going through Alex in the RH office this time? (08:12:26 PM) herlo: loupgaroublond: nope, me (08:12:42 PM) ke4qqq: loupgaroublond: we were able to do it for 1/3 the price RH did media for (08:12:42 PM) loupgaroublond: gotcha, good luck :P (08:12:52 PM) herlo: the media that I'll be getting is *only* x86 GNOME Live stuff (08:13:06 PM) herlo: loupgaroublond: it's been easy so far, great prices too (08:13:18 PM) Quickstart: One question regarding the media distribution will it all consist of Live CD's or a DVD image? (08:13:20 PM) loupgaroublond: i mean the regional distribution stuff, that's a headache (08:13:43 PM) ke4qqq: loupgaroublond: that's one thing we need to discuss - hopefully tonight (08:13:58 PM) herlo: Later this week (have to deal with my job search first) I'll order x86_64 Live, x86 DVD and x86_65 DVDs (08:14:01 PM) loupgaroublond: might i throw in that i always try to bring ISOs on my laptop to events and encourage people to BYO usb stick (08:14:17 PM) herlo: I have to get approval from Max for the amounts and get the order placed with the Media company (08:14:21 PM) ke4qqq: yeah most of us do the same thing (08:14:29 PM) herlo: so (08:14:35 PM) inode0: so how can we help you now herlo (08:14:35 PM) herlo: I plan to do this in two phases (08:14:41 PM) herlo: Phase I (08:15:01 PM) herlo: on or around Dec 10, I will ship out deliveries to the regional ambassadors (08:15:16 PM) herlo: I expect to be reimbursed for this from CommArch (08:15:33 PM) ***ke4qqq wonders if we need to setup a UPS or Fedex acct (08:15:39 PM) herlo: the question is, should I send Media directly to those who request? (08:15:51 PM) herlo: or should I let the regionals handle that (08:15:59 PM) DemonJester: I wouldnt, direct them to the regionals (08:16:04 PM) ke4qqq: depends on timeliness in my mind (08:16:09 PM) ke4qqq: if they need it by the 15th (08:16:11 PM) herlo: I don't know who is going to pay for that cost (08:16:13 PM) ke4qqq: ship it to them (08:16:14 PM) inode0: if it can get to STL in time I'd appreciate you sending that one direct (08:16:28 PM) ke4qqq: if it can wait a week or two, let us handle it. (08:16:31 PM) loupgaroublond: ke4qqq, have you talked to max about using the RH fedex account? (08:16:33 PM) inode0: if not, he will need to deal with it (08:16:42 PM) herlo: now you understand that I will be in a money crunch situation for the short term until I land a new job (08:16:42 PM) ke4qqq: loupgaroublond: I have not (08:16:51 PM) ke4qqq: so (08:16:53 PM) herlo: so that's my only other concern (08:16:55 PM) ke4qqq: my understanding all along (08:17:04 PM) ke4qqq: was that shipping media would be funded from events (08:17:14 PM) herlo: probably will (08:17:25 PM) herlo: but we should probably have an account set up so we can just pay it monthly (08:17:28 PM) herlo: or quarterly (08:17:37 PM) herlo: I'm sure that's what RH does (08:17:55 PM) ke4qqq: I'm not, but that's what we talked about (08:18:10 PM) ke4qqq: the other option there is to retain some ourselves and ship the balance to Alex (08:18:11 PM) herlo: if that can get set up soon, I can ship Live Media to anyone who requests because I will just drop it at the Fedex/UPS drop location (08:18:23 PM) ke4qqq: and let her use the RH fedex acct (08:18:37 PM) herlo: so that seems like double costs (08:18:54 PM) herlo: ship them to her so she can ship them back to us or people in our region? (08:19:10 PM) ke4qqq: yes (08:19:19 PM) ke4qqq: as she did with F9 (08:19:19 PM) herlo: I think we can probably get an account set up easily enough and in plenty of time (08:19:22 PM) ke4qqq: ok (08:19:28 PM) inode0: it isn't much different than shipping them to us to ship out again really (08:19:34 PM) herlo: well, sure, but she had them shipped to her only (08:19:35 PM) ke4qqq: if we do, that's great (08:19:47 PM) herlo: oh, but it is different (08:19:52 PM) herlo: here's how (08:19:52 PM) ke4qqq: I like the idea of it coming to us (08:19:56 PM) DemonJester: I woudl say if time is short ship it directly, if not direct them to the regionals (08:19:57 PM) ke4qqq: gives us more involvement (08:19:58 PM) loupgaroublond: to ship to her is much cheaper than shipping out to individuals, because you get bulk pricing (08:20:08 PM) inode0: so do I, we should handle it all if at all possible (08:20:08 PM) herlo: I think I can even get the media company to ship them directly to each of the regionals (08:20:24 PM) ke4qqq: I think that is included in the price (08:20:28 PM) ***DemonJester agrees with inode0 (08:20:44 PM) herlo: ke4qqq: I am not so sure. But I think that's what I'll tell them to do... (08:20:55 PM) ke4qqq: but if there are concerns - I'd rather not have egg on my face b/c we can't deliver (08:21:01 PM) ke4qqq: we know alex can handle it (08:21:13 PM) herlo: there are 4 of us, we'll be able to deliver (08:21:25 PM) herlo: if you aren't available, the other regionals can cover it (08:21:29 PM) ke4qqq: k (08:21:31 PM) DemonJester: +1 (08:21:34 PM) herlo: that's a reasonable thing to expect (08:22:05 PM) herlo: so let m eget this straight (08:22:19 PM) Quickstart: I have a suggestion you could always place all the copies on a spool and send the envelopes seperate (08:22:25 PM) Quickstart: may save on cost (08:22:39 PM) herlo: I will tell the Media company to ship directly to the 4 ambassadors (08:22:57 PM) herlo: Quickstart: it actually won't be much different, matters of fractions of a penny each (08:23:24 PM) loupgaroublond: Quickstart, that only matters when dealing in bulk like 10k+ and then only if the CDs come from one plant and the sleeves from another (08:23:28 PM) herlo: then when the funds are approved for the other 3 batches, we'll get those orderd and delivered asap (08:23:30 PM) Quickstart: oh ic (08:23:31 PM) herlo: same process (08:23:49 PM) DemonJester: sounds like a plan :) (08:24:06 PM) pcalarco: apologies for being late, all (08:24:07 PM) herlo: I'll also talk with max (is it?) to see about getting an Ambassaors FedEx/UPS account (08:24:17 PM) inode0: np pcalarco, glad to see you (08:24:19 PM) ke4qqq: whats our timelines on getting other media started (08:24:21 PM) herlo: inode0: mind tasking me with that? (08:24:32 PM) herlo: ke4qqq: depends on the budget approval (08:24:40 PM) herlo: I plan on talking with Max about that tomorrow morning (08:24:46 PM) inode0: herlo: sure (08:24:46 PM) ke4qqq: herlo: /me doesn't think we need to get blessing to setup the account (08:25:05 PM) herlo: ke4qqq: it's not about getting a blessing. It's about making sure it'll get funded (08:25:25 PM) herlo: setting up the account can probably be done online right now (08:25:35 PM) ke4qqq: right (08:25:39 PM) herlo: any other questions? (08:25:53 PM) ke4qqq: well we can handle that easily enough - (08:25:58 PM) DemonJester: hurry hurry hurry with the delivery :) (08:25:59 PM) herlo: yes, I think so (08:26:05 PM) ke4qqq: just refuse to send media if we don't get money :) (08:26:05 PM) herlo: DemonJester: I'll do my best (08:26:10 PM) DemonJester: :) (08:26:11 PM) herlo: lol (08:26:40 PM) loupgaroublond: any chance to get media by the end of next week? the lug here's clamoring for hot off the presses media (08:26:50 PM) herlo: loupgaroublond: nope, not likely (08:27:04 PM) ke4qqq: unless they are willing to pay for overnight shipping (08:27:09 PM) Quickstart: you could always lightscribe them on some discs cost a pretty penny (08:27:24 PM) loupgaroublond: ok, USB sticks it is (08:27:34 PM) herlo: burning your own is never a bad idea, but pressed media is *so* much prettier (08:27:50 PM) DemonJester: herlo: you had to go there didnt ya? ;) (08:28:01 PM) herlo: loupgaroublond: if they are done sooner, I'll let you all know (08:28:19 PM) Quickstart: well they do have some stickon labels and print cds on sale saves a bundle (08:28:19 PM) herlo: DemonJester: of course ;) (08:28:23 PM) DemonJester: lol (08:28:32 PM) herlo: inode0: I'm done I think (08:28:35 PM) Quickstart: the print cds only need a compatible printer lol that may cost something (08:28:43 PM) loupgaroublond: herlo, no worries, it's just that we moved to a new community center location, and left a few ubuntu CDs at the reception desk, i'm itching to replace them with nice looking fedora media (08:28:56 PM) inode0: Q4 Goals ... (08:29:15 PM) inode0: ke4qqq: did you want to talk some about this one to get us started? (08:29:19 PM) herlo: loupgaroublond: me too (08:29:20 PM) DemonJester: 1. have loupgaroublond hand out Fedora cd's instead of Ubuntu :) (08:29:25 PM) ke4qqq: sure I'll get it started (08:29:28 PM) ke4qqq: DemonJester: +1 (08:29:39 PM) ke4qqq: So we want 3 BarCamps this quarter (08:29:46 PM) ke4qqq: it sounds like 2 are already scheduled (08:29:50 PM) ke4qqq: we need one more (08:29:54 PM) ke4qqq: sooooooooo (08:30:12 PM) ***herlo is going to possibly plan one for March/April timeframe (08:30:16 PM) ***inode0 goes to look at the list again (08:30:22 PM) ke4qqq: 1. Regional peeps, start scoping a coercing people to 'own' a barcamp (08:30:23 PM) herlo: not Q4 though (08:30:46 PM) DemonJester: ke4qqq: I am presenting in PA this weekend hopefully get someone interested in picking up the HBG one in Jan. (08:30:58 PM) ke4qqq: we are currently the _only_ sponsor for Charlotte's BarCamp (08:31:02 PM) ke4qqq: DemonJester: COOL!!!!! (08:31:12 PM) ke4qqq: after the event in Harrisburg we should have some peepe sthere (08:31:23 PM) DemonJester: I have 3 different schools lined up right now. (08:31:28 PM) loupgaroublond: DemonJester, is that you going to harrisburg? (08:31:29 PM) ke4qqq: outstanding (08:31:42 PM) DemonJester: yep (08:31:52 PM) loupgaroublond: awesome, we have good traction there :) (08:32:27 PM) ke4qqq: so next up is # of contributors (08:32:32 PM) ke4qqq: I hate chasing numbers like this (08:32:40 PM) ke4qqq: BUT I don't know what else quantifiably we can chase (08:32:41 PM) ***herlo thinks we shouldn't then (08:32:50 PM) ***ke4qqq is open to other options (08:33:08 PM) ke4qqq: I know it's like # of speeding tickets written, or number of people taken to jail (08:33:09 PM) herlo: what about tracking # of new projects in Fedora by quarter or something? (08:33:27 PM) ke4qqq: I think we have precious little control over that (08:33:29 PM) loupgaroublond: how about policy instead of quota, the goal is to write policy on how to encourage new and persistant fas signups rather than just counting numbers (08:33:32 PM) herlo: I mean they do announce the new Ambassadors. (08:33:41 PM) ke4qqq: or at least I haven't been trying to recruit (08:33:58 PM) ke4qqq: in that way (08:34:01 PM) herlo: loupgaroublond: that goes back to our mentoring discussions a couple months back ++1 (08:34:16 PM) ke4qqq: yeah - we need to get that started again as an aside (08:34:24 PM) ke4qqq: perhaps we want to do # of events (08:34:31 PM) herlo: could do (08:34:37 PM) Quickstart: we can always get college recruits and forum hunts (08:34:39 PM) ke4qqq: but I don't want to show up to just hand out media (08:34:42 PM) Quickstart: as well as facebool (08:34:46 PM) herlo: that' would be easier to track, and I think that was my point of making the FedoraEvents page have reporting (08:35:03 PM) ke4qqq: part of it is conversations, business card exchanges, etc. (08:35:14 PM) loupgaroublond: one thing we can do though is encourage the use of the 'show' plugin in FAS when signing up new contributers (08:35:38 PM) loupgaroublond: i'm going to do a rush of ekg development over winter break, i can definitely integrate the two (08:36:29 PM) herlo: loupgaroublond: can you clarify to me what that plugin does? (08:36:31 PM) Quickstart: could it be a requierment to become a contributer and have a contributer group for FAS (08:36:49 PM) ke4qqq: thats cla_done (08:36:51 PM) herlo: Quickstart: that's signed_CLA afaik (08:36:57 PM) herlo: :) (08:37:04 PM) ke4qqq: stop it herlo! (08:37:05 PM) ke4qqq: lol (08:37:08 PM) Quickstart: oh IC k (08:37:10 PM) loupgaroublond: herlo, it's a specialized 'sign up' page that you can use at the events that adds a label to sign-up-ees that tracks where they signed up (08:37:11 PM) DemonJester: deja vu :) (08:37:24 PM) Quickstart: well I am a noob so try to learn as much lol (08:37:26 PM) ke4qqq: yeah we talked about that last quarter iirc (08:37:28 PM) loupgaroublond: i originally intended it to provide ambassadors a good way to follow up with people after the event (08:37:57 PM) ke4qqq: my concern there is that I hand out business cards - and I people email me - and half the time I don't remember them (08:38:10 PM) herlo: loupgaroublond: not at this point, but that's something that we made possible recently with the new dns structure (08:38:13 PM) ke4qqq: so pointing them to chaslug.join.fp.o doesn't work (08:38:21 PM) ***ianweller lurks (08:38:28 PM) loupgaroublond: 'lo ianweller (08:38:28 PM) herlo: we could easily create a olf.fedoraproject.org page that had sign up info (08:38:31 PM) ke4qqq: ianweller: participate (08:38:31 PM) ***inode0 still wants cake (08:38:47 PM) ***ianweller throws a pie at inode0 (08:38:48 PM) ianweller: inode0: that good? (08:38:51 PM) ***ianweller stops distracting (08:38:57 PM) loupgaroublond: herlo, how about http://admin.fp.o/accounts/show/join/fudcon11 for example? (08:38:57 PM) herlo: ke4qqq: your url is better (08:39:06 PM) herlo: loupgaroublond: no, that's too long (08:39:21 PM) herlo: but the idea is the same with what we were suggesting and even that was the point (08:39:30 PM) ianweller: ya know, you could probably set up an http://events.fp.o/$EVENTSHORTNAME that would redirect to the accounts page. (08:39:35 PM) herlo: someone just needs to code the web stuff... (08:39:39 PM) loupgaroublond: herlo, it's not a URL to pass out to people, it's just meant to be used as a home page for test machines at events and shows (08:39:51 PM) ianweller: oh (08:39:51 PM) ianweller: hmm (08:39:52 PM) herlo: loupgaroublond: why not? (08:39:55 PM) loupgaroublond: herlo, it's coded, i did it (08:40:02 PM) herlo: loupgaroublond: that's what I thought (08:40:08 PM) herlo: I just didn't know who did it (08:40:09 PM) ianweller: oh ricky and i were actually discussing doing a crazy thing that would track identi.ca posts, planet feeds, and flickr photos for events (08:40:20 PM) herlo: ianweller: get to work! (08:40:23 PM) herlo: :) (08:40:32 PM) herlo: inode0: assign that to ianweller :) :) :) (08:40:32 PM) ke4qqq: yeah we don't do that much in US - I know EMEA does it - but I hate telling people to sign up then and there - I think it inflates numbers (08:40:32 PM) ianweller: mokay! (08:40:44 PM) ianweller: we were gonna have it auto-refresh but i decided against that, too much work. just doing it like that is simple (08:41:06 PM) loupgaroublond: ke4qqq, my original intention was that the ambassadors could go back over the list and say 'i recognize these five peeople, let me send them a personalized follow up email' (08:41:07 PM) herlo: loupgaroublond: what if we gave out cards that had olf.join.fp.o on them for each event. Something simple to go in the Media or something (08:41:14 PM) herlo: they could sign up at their leisure that way (08:41:17 PM) Quickstart: I can help out with the html code (08:41:32 PM) Quickstart: I may need a graphic designer to create the link tabs (08:41:38 PM) herlo: loupgaroublond: well that'd be another way anyway (08:41:42 PM) ke4qqq: interesting - yeah we do a poor job of follow up (08:41:47 PM) ke4qqq: IMO (08:41:47 PM) loupgaroublond: herlo, no objections :), so long as there is a commitment from the ambassadors to follow up one way or another (08:41:51 PM) herlo: NA sucks at follow-up (08:41:53 PM) herlo: :) (08:41:57 PM) ***herlo is the worst offender (08:42:17 PM) ianweller: ya know what, i'm actually gonna get started on that concept right now by asking mmcgrath some questions over in #fedora-admin ;) (08:42:22 PM) herlo: loupgaroublond: but if someone were to sigh up, we could get that info (08:42:24 PM) loupgaroublond: ok, agenda item, modify the indoctrination materials to include a section on follow up :) (08:42:35 PM) herlo: hehe (08:42:39 PM) ke4qqq: indoctrination materials heh (08:42:41 PM) ***herlo points at spevack (08:42:50 PM) herlo: and his classroom sessions (08:43:00 PM) ke4qqq: what else cna we measure and set as a goal (08:43:02 PM) ke4qqq: ? (08:43:03 PM) ke4qqq: ? (08:43:07 PM) loupgaroublond: let me shoot an email over to max real quick about that then (08:43:09 PM) Quickstart: One question: could there be a timed script that will popup when demos are being shown? (08:43:31 PM) loupgaroublond: Quickstart, why? (08:43:47 PM) Quickstart: well it could be a good way to collect follow up information (08:43:57 PM) Quickstart: or have an extra ambassador to do signups (08:44:17 PM) ke4qqq: I know this sounds old school, but I don't think you can beat talking to people, getting their contact info and following up (08:44:26 PM) ke4qqq: even if the goal isn't to make them a contributor (08:44:33 PM) herlo: ke4qqq: right, which is the point I was making (08:44:36 PM) crossbytes: +1 (08:44:54 PM) herlo: give them a card, and some Media, hopefully they sign up, but we need to do our part as well (08:44:58 PM) Quickstart: true (08:45:18 PM) ke4qqq: part of it - is building relationships (the Friend foundation) (08:45:44 PM) Quickstart: thats true more friendlier then the new automated phone systems (08:46:21 PM) crossbytes: +1 +1 ke4qqq old school networking (08:46:30 PM) ke4qqq: anyway - back to goals - what else can we measure (08:46:39 PM) ke4qqq: # of events? and if so how many do we want for this quarter? (08:46:45 PM) ke4qqq: or something completely different? (08:47:50 PM) Quickstart: well I was thinking in the upcomming year doing a talk about Linux at my old college (08:47:54 PM) herlo: ke4qqq: the FedoraEvents page should be where the # of events is tracked (08:48:19 PM) inode0: Quickstart: that is great and should be listed as an event (08:48:30 PM) ke4qqq: cool Quickstart please list it as an event so you can get funding (08:49:00 PM) inode0: and that is something I think should be encouraged and could be a goal ... local talks which every ambassador should be able to do (08:49:18 PM) herlo: if everyone is encouraged to put events, no matter how minor (isn't that what we've been doing?) it'll be easy to track (08:49:36 PM) ke4qqq: 30 events this quarter? (08:49:56 PM) inode0: how about more than the same quarter last year? just grow? (08:50:01 PM) herlo: ke4qqq: Q4? (08:50:06 PM) Quickstart: it could work (08:50:13 PM) herlo: inode0: +1 (08:50:24 PM) ke4qqq: yes (08:50:34 PM) Quickstart: I just need to get some permissions and it is a small college, but I have some contacts should be soon (08:50:42 PM) ke4qqq: how many were there last year in NA? (08:50:49 PM) ke4qqq: I say we double? (08:51:24 PM) herlo: ke4qqq: 20% (08:51:33 PM) ke4qqq: lets see the numbers first (08:51:45 PM) herlo: here's my problem with constant growth (08:52:02 PM) herlo: at some point, there will be a deficit in growth (08:52:17 PM) herlo: it's bound to happen, we can't always grow (08:52:24 PM) ke4qqq: yes this is for this quarter only (08:52:34 PM) ke4qqq: there look to have been 3 events last Q4 (08:52:37 PM) inode0: goals aren't always met (08:52:40 PM) Quickstart: that's true life cycle (08:52:41 PM) herlo: I just want to point out that we should plan this quarterly (08:53:10 PM) inode0: agrees (08:53:11 PM) herlo: so Q4 2007 v Q4 2008 would be good (08:53:16 PM) ke4qqq: right (08:53:22 PM) ke4qqq: Q407 == 3 NA events (08:53:26 PM) ke4qqq: from what I see (08:53:32 PM) inode0: we can spank that (08:53:34 PM) herlo: Q408 == 10 (08:53:34 PM) ke4qqq: anyone have a problem with wanting more than that? (08:53:37 PM) DemonJester: is this any event? (08:53:44 PM) herlo: DemonJester: yes (08:53:51 PM) herlo: I don't see why not (08:53:53 PM) DemonJester: I mean I am having 4 myself in the next week? (08:53:58 PM) ke4qqq: 10 are already on the board (08:54:07 PM) herlo: next years numbers will be a better comparison (08:54:14 PM) DemonJester: herlo: +1 (08:54:23 PM) herlo: because we've been more vigilant about getting evetns on the board (08:54:29 PM) Quickstart: I have a suggestion what usually is the target audience for Fedora users? (08:54:40 PM) DemonJester: Quickstart: depends it varies (08:54:43 PM) loupgaroublond: Quickstart, you'll get a million answers for that (08:55:14 PM) ke4qqq: Quickstart: humans (08:55:25 PM) DemonJester: if they are able to make it to the event in one shape or another they are the targeted audience :) (08:55:43 PM) herlo: DemonJester: +1 (08:56:01 PM) ke4qqq: 10 are already on the board (08:56:04 PM) inode0: I'm comfortable with throwing a number like 15-20 at this quarter as a goal (08:56:14 PM) DemonJester: agrees (08:56:19 PM) ***herlo wants 12 (08:56:23 PM) Quickstart: true well I just wanted to ask because there are alot of convencions in the NYC area and mostly we can start a both at a Ani con (08:56:27 PM) ***ke4qqq wants 15 (08:56:43 PM) ke4qqq: Quickstart: anywhere you can get a booth (08:56:47 PM) ***ianweller wants 238423 (08:56:47 PM) ke4qqq: is a place we want to be (08:56:52 PM) ianweller: what are we talking about? :P (08:56:57 PM) ke4qqq: how many are you holding ianweller ??? (08:57:02 PM) Quickstart: ok I'll se what I can find (08:57:09 PM) ***ianweller stops distracting again (08:57:34 PM) ke4qqq: anything else we want as goals (08:57:43 PM) ke4qqq: ?? (08:58:01 PM) loupgaroublond: if you want small events on the board, i can certainly add a few (08:58:05 PM) DemonJester: yes have a min. of 2 FADs this year (08:58:07 PM) ke4qqq: please do (08:58:12 PM) loupgaroublond: there are barcamps and OSM meetings coming up here (08:58:13 PM) inode0: loupgaroublond: do, add all events (08:58:16 PM) ke4qqq: that outside this quarter though (08:58:38 PM) inode0: we want to know about events of all sorts desperately (08:58:42 PM) ke4qqq: yeah and take money to sponsor them - Max siad we'd make money for that (08:59:14 PM) herlo: if you know about it and can represent fedora in some way there, add it! (08:59:29 PM) Quickstart: How bout a party? (08:59:40 PM) inode0: release parties are definitely events (08:59:51 PM) herlo: :) (08:59:54 PM) herlo: add it! (08:59:59 PM) herlo: add it! (09:00:01 PM) ke4qqq: My personal goal for this quarter is to 'own' barcamps - have as many covered and even sponsored as we can (09:00:01 PM) herlo: add it! (09:00:04 PM) Quickstart: the thing is that I don't know if the latest release party is available in my area (09:00:22 PM) herlo: Quickstart: what do you mean available? (09:00:24 PM) Quickstart: I'll see what I can do and report it next meeting (09:00:41 PM) ke4qqq: Quickstart: work with DemonJester - he'll get you squared away (09:00:41 PM) DemonJester: Quickstart: jds2001 is holding one sometime this month iirc (09:00:45 PM) Quickstart: well I haven't heard anything about a release part for 10 (09:01:01 PM) ke4qqq: if it isn't on /Events (09:01:03 PM) loupgaroublond: Quickstart, do you have connections to otherp eople in your area who are interested in getting an introduction to linux? even just 3-4 people? (09:01:14 PM) ke4qqq: then it prolly isn't happening (09:01:19 PM) inode0: ok, we have one interesting task list item on the agenda, so I'd like to move to it soon (09:01:20 PM) ke4qqq: so just schedule one and go with it (09:01:22 PM) DemonJester: Quickstart: you should have already received an email from me earlier this week (09:01:34 PM) herlo: Quickstart: you can make it happen :) (09:01:37 PM) Quickstart: well neighbor is one father's class and I could get something going on in the alma matre (09:01:41 PM) ke4qqq: inode0: I surrender the floor (09:02:13 PM) Quickstart: I just need sometime right now (09:02:19 PM) inode0: DemonJester: hang around for me after the meeting please ... (09:02:26 PM) DemonJester: Quickstart: if you need help let me know. (09:02:29 PM) DemonJester: inode0: ok (09:02:35 PM) Quickstart: give me two wks to get situated (09:02:41 PM) inode0: Bulk ordering event swag - DemonJester (09:02:43 PM) Quickstart: k DJester (09:02:59 PM) DemonJester: bear with me on this one. (09:03:06 PM) loupgaroublond: Quickstart, all you need to do is get them all together, maybe at your house, maybe at a coffee shop, and just pass around a few Install CDs ;) (09:03:10 PM) ***herlo hires the bear! (09:03:21 PM) DemonJester: I would like to get a buk order together for swag (shirts, stickers, etc) (09:03:25 PM) DemonJester: bulk (09:03:38 PM) ke4qqq: stickers should already be ordered (09:03:38 PM) DemonJester: I am not sure if we could get funding for this ahead of time or not (09:03:40 PM) herlo: +1 (09:03:46 PM) Quickstart: Well I was thinking on doing something for my dads Web Class just need to have a Live CD with Bluefish though (09:03:48 PM) ke4qqq: but I'd like toadd tattoos (09:03:51 PM) ke4qqq: to your mix (09:04:06 PM) DemonJester: my thought is this if we already have them made it makes distributing them much easier (09:04:19 PM) ke4qqq: I don't think so (09:04:20 PM) loupgaroublond: Quickstart, i'll PM you information about making spins (09:04:22 PM) ke4qqq: but it's more cost effective (09:04:26 PM) inode0: rolls of infinity stickers or fedora inside style stickers are in high demand (09:04:27 PM) ***herlo also wants to make more standard type stickers, you know rectangle ones that fit over the slot where your floppy used to be (09:04:31 PM) Quickstart: k (09:04:44 PM) herlo: inode0: called 'case badges' (09:04:53 PM) inode0: yes (09:04:58 PM) DemonJester: I recently ran into a problem trying to get shirts at a decent price but the order was to small and the cost was high so I scrapped the idea (09:05:15 PM) ke4qqq: well we are unlikely to get all of it... - lets pick the 'high value' swag targets (09:05:19 PM) ke4qqq: and email max tonight! (09:05:27 PM) herlo: DemonJester: generaly bulk order is a good idea, since we'll need them for AmbassadorKit (09:05:37 PM) DemonJester: would it be possible to get funding for something like this. I am thinking 300 shirts to start (09:05:52 PM) DemonJester: plus "Powered by Fedora" laptop stickers (09:06:09 PM) herlo: this is what I want: * One DIY box / container * 20 LiveCDs (3 DVDs) only 10 will fit in the box * T-Shirt (1-2) * Fedora stickers (10 sheets) * Fedora buttons (10 or so) * Fedora labeled USB sticks (4-5, costly, so initial efforts won't include these) (09:06:29 PM) herlo: buttons, stickers and tshirts seem to be the order (09:06:35 PM) herlo: and maybe tattoos (09:06:39 PM) ke4qqq: DemonJester: 300 shirts is likely 1800 bucks - but maybe (09:06:48 PM) DemonJester: herlo: usb stics 2 gigs for $7.00 a piece (09:06:57 PM) ke4qqq: buttons, stickers (already made) and tattoos are cheap. (09:07:01 PM) Quickstart: well at staples they have this thing where you can get a spindle of 10 for 10.00 its just trying to get the labels is an issue (09:07:01 PM) DemonJester: ke4qqq: nope about $1000 (09:07:08 PM) ke4qqq: really - that's good pricing (09:07:26 PM) DemonJester: ke4qqq: exactly the more you order the better the price. (09:07:28 PM) ke4qqq: we should try for that (09:07:44 PM) herlo: I think that's doable (09:07:47 PM) herlo: +2 (09:07:50 PM) ke4qqq: me too (09:08:04 PM) ke4qqq: esp since we'll effectively have most of the swag cost - (09:08:10 PM) ke4qqq: we got what 4500 last quarter for NA (09:08:16 PM) ke4qqq: so 20% shouldn't be a problem (09:08:22 PM) ke4qqq: as long as we have funding for media (09:09:07 PM) Quickstart: thats true (09:09:19 PM) herlo: media should be in addition to that cost (09:09:24 PM) DemonJester: herlo: can you ask max about this when you talk with him? (09:09:38 PM) herlo: DemonJester: sure, inode0 add that to the task :) (09:09:48 PM) herlo: please (09:09:49 PM) ke4qqq: DemonJester: can you send details on the pricing you have seen? (09:10:00 PM) DemonJester: to the list? (09:10:10 PM) ke4qqq: list works (09:10:13 PM) inode0: herlo: your phone call to max is a task now? (09:10:27 PM) herlo: not a phone call (09:10:33 PM) DemonJester: herlo: thanks :) (09:10:35 PM) ke4qqq: well gents - I must depart (09:10:37 PM) DemonJester: eof (09:10:47 PM) inode0: ok, thanks ke4qqq (09:10:49 PM) herlo: inode0: re: Media budgeting and swag budgeting (09:10:59 PM) herlo: need a task to get that approved (09:11:00 PM) inode0: ok herlo (09:11:03 PM) Quickstart: take it easy ke4qqqq (09:11:04 PM) herlo: inode0: thanks (09:11:07 PM) ***herlo has to run as well (09:11:08 PM) DemonJester: gnite ke4qqq (09:11:11 PM) Quickstart: it was a pleasure meeting you (09:11:18 PM) Quickstart: night herlo (09:11:19 PM) DemonJester: gnite herlo (09:11:24 PM) herlo: night all (09:11:26 PM) ke4qqq: night all (09:11:32 PM) inode0: ok, we have open floor now if there are any other topics people want to discuss before we wrap (09:11:35 PM) DemonJester: Quickstart: thanks for coming let me know if I can help (09:12:12 PM) DemonJester: I am good. (09:12:20 PM) ***ianweller read that as "I am god." (09:12:23 PM) inode0: hearing none ... (09:12:28 PM) inode0: 5 (09:12:30 PM) ***DemonJester notes that too :) (09:12:32 PM) inode0: 4 (09:12:32 PM) Quickstart: no problem I am here (09:12:35 PM) inode0: 3 (09:12:37 PM) Quickstart: one thing (09:12:41 PM) inode0: ... (09:12:43 PM) Quickstart: I noticed that there was an online (09:12:53 PM) Quickstart: tutorial for Debian linux is there one for fedora? quaid Quickstart (09:13:14 PM) inode0: you understand I have to start this countdown over from the beginning when you do that Quickstart? :) (09:13:21 PM) DemonJester: lol (09:13:36 PM) DemonJester: Quickstart: for using Debian or contributing? (09:13:38 PM) Quickstart: sorry inode (09:13:49 PM) inode0: just kidding Quickstart (09:13:56 PM) Quickstart: Its an online tutorial that gives linux in a nutshell (09:14:00 PM) Quickstart: *I know (09:14:14 PM) Quickstart: but the tutorial is basically using Debian (09:14:18 PM) inode0: show us a link and maybe we can point you at something similar (09:14:24 PM) Quickstart: I propose that we can create one for Fedora (09:14:31 PM) Quickstart: ok (09:14:36 PM) Quickstart: one sec (09:14:41 PM) ***DemonJester assigns Quickstart with that task :) (09:14:44 PM) inode0: the docs group has lots of stuff and would love to meet you I'm sure (09:15:45 PM) Quickstart: sure no prob a noob to teach noobs it works (09:15:48 PM) Quickstart: lol (09:16:06 PM) inode0: sometimes that works out well actually (09:16:16 PM) DemonJester: learning for all.... (09:16:32 PM) DemonJester: nothing assumed that way either (09:16:37 PM) inode0: every teacher knows you learn a lot by teaching (09:16:47 PM) Quickstart: thats true (09:16:49 PM) DemonJester: spokend like a true teacher :) (09:17:05 PM) ***DemonJester I cant spell for nothing tonight.. (09:17:26 PM) inode0: Quickstart: join us in #fedora-ambassadors any time, we can continue this there (09:17:45 PM) ***inode0 is about to restart the countdown (09:17:53 PM) ***DemonJester needs to create an auto-spelling correction script for irssi. (09:17:57 PM) inode0: 5 (09:18:02 PM) inode0: 4 (09:18:08 PM) inode0: 3 (09:18:13 PM) inode0: 2 (09:18:19 PM) inode0: 1 (09:18:23 PM) inode0: EOF From herlo1 at gmail.com Tue Dec 9 06:01:16 2008 From: herlo1 at gmail.com (Clint Savage) Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2008 23:01:16 -0700 Subject: [Ambassadors] FAMNA Meeting @ 2008-12-09 9pm EST (01:00 + 1 day UTC) Message-ID: This is a reminder for the FAMNA Meeting 2008-12-09 9pm EST Just a quick reminder that we'll be holding our weekly meeting in #fedora-meeting (irc.freenode.net) tonight at 9pm EST If you are interested in participating, or have something to contribute, feel free to add it to our agenda: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/Meetings/2008-12-09 Cheers, Clint From bochecha at fedoraproject.org Tue Dec 9 09:51:10 2008 From: bochecha at fedoraproject.org (Mathieu Bridon (bochecha)) Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2008 10:51:10 +0100 (CET) Subject: [Ambassadors] Re: What Fedora makes sucking for me - or why I am NOT Fedora In-Reply-To: References: <20081209002540.GA25637@hurricane.linuxnetz.de> Message-ID: <39317.VwBUX1dRCno=.1228816270.squirrel@webmail.no-log.org> >> Well, we had the intrusion into the servers of the Fedora Project. That >> is >> now nearly 4 months ago. I remember to the words of our dear Fedora >> Project >> leader, who made us believing with the sentence "We will continue to >> keep >> the Fedora community notified of any updates." - but nothing happend >> after >> that. We all are still waiting for final report about the intrusion into >> the servers of the Fedora Project! Yes, we can: Open Source, but >> unluckily >> no Open Communication! Even the communication during the intrusion time >> was >> worse, e-mails to the Infrastructure team and to our Fedora Project >> leader >> got not really answered (or just when reasking and bugging) when asking >> for >> the issue and details even when it was mostly clear, that we're no >> longer >> really men about ourself - the intrusion. > > I have no firsthand knowledge of this beyond what anybody else does. > However, there is likely still an investigation ongoing into what > happened. As such, it would be inappropriate to share information > about it until law enforcement is complete with their work (which they > are not known to be fast about), and the lawyers say what's OK to > share without spoiling any possible litigation. How do we know there is still an ongoing investigation ? To me, it looks like everything is fine, but we never were said it was. If an investigation is still ongoing, then a regular communication should be made, even if it only repeats each time "the investigation is still ongoing". Really, I totally agree with Robert here, the communication about this "issue" was (and still is) awful. About the legal constraints, I can totally understand that RedHat (the private company) has to keep some informations. But in that case, RedHat engineers should take over the issue and no one in Fedora should be aware of it. Right now, we're in some kind of middle stage where only an elit of Fedora people can be in the secret, and others are being despised. This doesn't make a healthy community. >> Our German translation is only quantitative, not qualitative. And the >> worse >> thing is, the team leader of the German translation team finds the >> current >> position and its current status okay. That's wrong and never should >> happen. >> If a German person is not able to understand the context of a translated >> sentence, the phrase should not be commited. Many people are even not >> re- >> reading the tsentence whether it has any meaning after the translation. >> But >> our team leader says, quantitative translation is okay. Ugly grammar and >> spelling issues are another thing; seems too much to re-read or to use a >> spellchecker before commiting - our teamleader says, that everything >> must >> fast go to upstream...great! I now know lots of German speaking people >> (in >> their mother tongue), which use Fedora only in English - including >> myself - >> to avoid the must of reading that horrible German. Surely, we can fix >> that, >> but if always people are working against, that does not help. Unluckily, >> language translations don't make it that often into Fedora updates >> during >> the lifetime of a Fedora release. So mostly, a broken translation is >> kept >> there for the whole release. But it's okay to be only quantitative and >> not >> qualitative, our team leader of the German translation project prays. > > Unfortunately, I am one of those people that only speaks American > English. However, if I were German and being forced to read phrases > that I didn't understand because they were translated poorly, I'd > attempt to correct the translation. If the local leader feels this is > OK, I would take the matter to FLSCo, and attempt to assume the leader > role yourself (if you have the time and desire to do so). If you > don't have the time, find someone else who shares your views, and work > with them. I don't know if that's already possible (pardon me if it is), but we should be able to report translation mistakes as bugs, on our Bugzilla. This way, the FLSCo could be automatically noticed, as well as people from QA who would then be aware that some leader is not willing to improve quality over time (the problem is not that we suck, but not improving is). >> CD which we're now promoting at our download page better and more that >> the >> installation DVD, is IMHO not a good store sign as it is just slow. It >> even >> has not a localisation - folks, not the whole world is speaking english, > > I agree that this is unfortunate, and also note that Ubuntu does a > better job than we do in this area, with a menu to select the language > when booting the Live CD. Maybe something that could be worked on. If > you have experience, feel free to pitch in! I've not engaged in a > comparison between the Ubuntu Live CD and ours, however I'm assuming > that they sacrifice a lot of functionality on the Live CD in order to > have room for the various languages. Everything is a trade-off, > unfortunately. I'm afraid I don't really understand this issue. To me, all languages were present on the liveCD. Last time I checked, you could chose your language / keyboard on the GDM screen. That's exactly what we did in fact for our fr_FR live Media: Nicolas Chauvet used a special rpmmacro to tell RPM to install only the french language of each package (and obviously the default one in case there is no translation available). IIRC, he told me that the default Fedora Live Media (~700MB) was reduced about half only doing this. This allowed us to put OOo and other great apps on our spin that is not present on the official one for space issues. >> just there is America on the worldmap! I know people from fairs, which >> are >> really frusted by their first try with a Live CD as it was just English. >> Yes, we maybe can create a spin, but these ones, we cannot offer on the >> FTP >> and HTTP mirrors, because Fedora is already too big. On the other hand, >> the > > What can be offered is a torrent, not ideal but better than nothing. What we do is that we have our own infrastructure for the french speaking community (forum, documentation, our own web server, etc...). So we have a torrent tracker on that server for downloading our spins. A local community like the German one should be able to do the same. Smaller local communities could get in touch with bigger ones that or not too far away to ask for help on those matters. >> Yeah, Anaconda got a bigger rewrite for Fedora 10 and took care of the >> old >> and often claimed issue, that the user needs to know the URL of a mirror >> in >> order to install Fedora via netinstall. But now, the screen got >> completely >> ripped out or is (if it really still exists, which I don't believe) too >> good hidden somewhere. Instead of that, somebody - that must have been >> an >> American - made the "repo=" option for the command line prompt if >> somebody >> wants to specify a local mirror. Urgs! At that point, no non-US keyboard >> layout is loaded! I now have to type something like >> "repo?http?--my.local- >> mirror-fedora-something-" or so on my non-US keyboard. Folks, the >> worldmap >> not only has American people with a US keyboard layout out there, even >> if >> some people think so. Even the "repo=xxx" is worse documented, but yes, >> who >> cares? Just me as it seems somehow... > > I certainly don't think that, even though I'm an American. This > really falls into the area of usability and QA. Most of our QA > contributors are in the US, and I didn't have as much time as I would > have liked this time around due to $DAYJOB constraints. However, my > local mirror is set up in MirrorManager, such that it gets delivered > to me first in mirrorlists, so I likely wouldn't have noticed this > anyway, unfortuantely. Didn't experienced this issue, but I have my own one that is _very_ problematic in F10's Anaconda. However, that's not the place to discuss it so I'll just open a bug report once I can narrow it ;) >> PackageKit, another broken software which is in a pre-bleeding edge >> state I > > Again, I can't really comment on this except for the last part. We > are not wanting to "beat" Ubuntu to anything - there's not an arms > race here or anything like that. We are simply normally the first to > adopt Do not mistake PackageKit and it's graphical front-end. Most of your (and a lot of PK detractors') complaints about PK are in fact about Gnome-PackageKit. PackageKit is a great tool with excellent features in se. But yes, it definitely needs some love on the front-end part. That's where the guys from Ubuntu could help us a lot if they were wiling to adopt PK. They have a good (IMHO) experience on usability and ergonomy stuff. >> When talking about PackageKit, DBUS is another issue. The recent DBUS >> pkg >> update broke PackageKit stuff - thanks to our cool QA. And clever as we > > Unfortunately I don't think that I can tell from bodhi what the > initial request for this particular update was, testing or stable. I > suspect stable, since it was a security update, and it was pushed > within 2 hours of the update being submitted. Therefore, there was no > opportunity for QA. However, QA is an area where we are desperately > lacking resources. Help is welcome there. Couldn't we have something implemented in Bohdi that refuses an update if all depending packages were not rebuilt for this particular update ? This already happens with some Firefox updates. And this is not IMHO a QA / packager issue. Packagers are human, and human is fallible. There should be some automatic protection against those problems. (I know, great idea, but where is the code ? Well, not everyone with ideai is a good programmer I fear) >> Plymouth is nice - sometimes. Why did we put so much effort into that? >> It >> does not work with many graphic cards and it doesn't make things really >> faster for me. You also forgot to put a message somewhere, that hitting >> ESC > > Please file a bug about that and see where it goes. Do not misktake things. Plymouth is a graphical frontend to make booting sequence more eye-candy. Making boot faster was a completely different feature in F10 Feature process. The only thing that could speed up the boot regarding Plymouth is the KMS (which is different but needed for a graphical Plymouth) as it allows to get rid of the "blinks" between the boot sequence and the GDM screen. But hey, how many seconds does it wastes ? 1 ? 2 ? And again, that's KMS, not Plymouth. >> Fedora EMEA e.V. also seems to be a mostly dead tree. Of course we have >> founded the association as legal vehicle. But it would be nice to see >> where > > Interesting, I thought that it was going well. Perhaps you should ask > FAmSCo to enlighten us here? I haver the same issue with EMEA as Robert. I'm french, we have our own association (and had it before the creation of EMEA). Our fee is 20?. EMEA is 128?. Guess which one I (and each and every french people) adhered to ? About them not being transparent enough, I must admit that I didn't try to interest myself about what they are doing, mainly because I will not adhere to it as long as the fee is so prohibitively high. For now, they are (to me) only a way to acquire really nice poloshirts (and thank you Joerg for taking care of that :) Regards, ---------- Mathieu Bridon (bochecha) French Fedora Ambassador ---------- "They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety." ~Benjamin Franklin From fugolini at fedoraproject.org Tue Dec 9 10:36:33 2008 From: fugolini at fedoraproject.org (Francesco Ugolini) Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2008 11:36:33 +0100 Subject: [Ambassadors] What Fedora makes sucking for me - or why I am NOT Fedora In-Reply-To: <20081209002540.GA25637@hurricane.linuxnetz.de> References: <20081209002540.GA25637@hurricane.linuxnetz.de> Message-ID: 2008/12/9 Robert Scheck : > Good evening everybody, > Fedora EMEA e.V. also seems to be a mostly dead tree. Of course we have > founded the association as legal vehicle. But it would be nice to see where > my money, my membership fee, the 128 Euro per year are spent to. I now > could assume, that the money is just collected and nothing happens or some > guys of the board are buying and eating ice cream with, but I really hope > that's not true. Fedora EMEA e.V. really needs to communicate a bit more to > its members what they're doing and how the money is handled. Organisation > is lacking much transparency and about their activities. AFAIK, a mailing > list for the members of Fedora EMEA e.V. was created, I think it never was > used yet. 128 Euro per year is IMHO too much for the current level of what > seems to happen with the money. And for that money I could support the Free > Software Foundation Europe (FSFE) with multiple membership fees per year. > And sorry, just one cool bathrobe isn't a good reason for spending 128 Euro > away per year. Without enough transparency and communication, it's like > throwing the money out of the window of my room. It's not a dead tree, it's a resource bridge, with the founds given by the associate members and with some of "FAmSCo budget" cover part of the costs of EMEA big events. Q4 will be the crucial step toward a working Fedora EMEA e.V., most of the money needed by the EMEA people will be bridge by this one, having a better "resource distribution" infrastructure in EMEA and improving the ambassadors experience. I hope to be concrete. If I said something not clear or maybe wrong, feel free to add your toguths. BTW, Fedora EMEA is still alive and will open completely its wings soon :) Regards Francesco Ugolini From christoph.wickert at googlemail.com Tue Dec 9 11:42:21 2008 From: christoph.wickert at googlemail.com (Christoph Wickert) Date: Tue, 09 Dec 2008 12:42:21 +0100 Subject: [Ambassadors] Fedora EMEA e.v. (was Re: What Fedora makes sucking ...) In-Reply-To: References: <20081209002540.GA25637@hurricane.linuxnetz.de> Message-ID: <1228822941.4444.18.camel@wicktop.localdomain> Am Dienstag, den 09.12.2008, 11:36 +0100 schrieb Francesco Ugolini: > 2008/12/9 Robert Scheck : > > Good evening everybody, > > > Fedora EMEA e.V. also seems to be a mostly dead tree. Of course we have > > founded the association as legal vehicle. But it would be nice to see where > > my money, my membership fee, the 128 Euro per year are spent to. I now > > could assume, that the money is just collected and nothing happens or some > > guys of the board are buying and eating ice cream with, but I really hope > > that's not true. Fedora EMEA e.V. really needs to communicate a bit more to > > its members what they're doing and how the money is handled. Organisation > > is lacking much transparency and about their activities. AFAIK, a mailing > > list for the members of Fedora EMEA e.V. was created, I think it never was > > used yet. 128 Euro per year is IMHO too much for the current level of what > > seems to happen with the money. And for that money I could support the Free > > Software Foundation Europe (FSFE) with multiple membership fees per year. > > And sorry, just one cool bathrobe isn't a good reason for spending 128 Euro > > away per year. Without enough transparency and communication, it's like > > throwing the money out of the window of my room. > > It's not a dead tree, it's a resource bridge, with the founds given by > the associate members and with some of "FAmSCo budget" cover part of > the costs of EMEA big events. Would it be possible (at least for members) to get a quarterly report on what EMEA did and how much money was spent on what? Or would that just be too much work? > Q4 will be the crucial step toward a working Fedora EMEA e.V., most of > the money needed by the EMEA people will be bridge by this one, having > a better "resource distribution" infrastructure in EMEA and improving > the ambassadors experience. > > I hope to be concrete. If I said something not clear or maybe wrong, > feel free to add your toguths. IMHO this is not really concrete. One question I have for example is: What decisions were made when, for example regarding the budget or regarding events. And who made this decisions? Is there a place where we can follow this decision-making, mail, irc logs or whatever? I don't see any public discussion on this list. Instead the EMEA chronology [1] stops at Mai 27th. Has nothing important happened since then? Regards, Christoph [1] http://fedoraemea.org/board.shtml From mspevack at redhat.com Tue Dec 9 12:06:27 2008 From: mspevack at redhat.com (Max Spevack) Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2008 13:06:27 +0100 (CET) Subject: Fedora EMEA e.V. (was: Re: [Ambassadors] Re: What Fedora makes sucking for me - or why I am NOT Fedora) In-Reply-To: <39317.VwBUX1dRCno=.1228816270.squirrel@webmail.no-log.org> References: <20081209002540.GA25637@hurricane.linuxnetz.de> <39317.VwBUX1dRCno=.1228816270.squirrel@webmail.no-log.org> Message-ID: On Tue, 9 Dec 2008, Mathieu Bridon (bochecha) wrote: >>> Fedora EMEA e.V. also seems to be a mostly dead tree. Of course we >>> have founded the association as legal vehicle. But it would be nice >>> to see where >> >> Interesting, I thought that it was going well. Perhaps you should >> ask FAmSCo to enlighten us here? > > I haver the same issue with EMEA as Robert. I'm french, we have our > own association (and had it before the creation of EMEA). Our fee is > 20?. EMEA is 128?. Guess which one I (and each and every french > people) adhered to ? > > About them not being transparent enough, I must admit that I didn't > try to interest myself about what they are doing, mainly because I > will not adhere to it as long as the fee is so prohibitively high. For > now, they are (to me) only a way to acquire really nice poloshirts > (and thank you Joerg for taking care of that :) Personally, I don't care at all about the membership fee for Fedora EMEA e.V. The value to me is not in getting Euros from already existing Fedora members. The membership fee could be 1 EUR, and I wouldn't care. The value of Fedora-fr's organization and Fedora EMEA e.V. is that they are LEGAL ENTITIES that can hold resources, and that can accept resources from multiple parties. Read over my email from yesterday about the Q4 budget. The fact that in EMEA, I can have Red Hat make one money transfer of budget to another legal entity's bank account makes my life so much easier, and it means that even if we don't spend all the money in one quarter, it doesn't disappear. These non-profit organizations: (a) allow us to do a better job planning our expenses (b) allow non-Red Hat organizations to give money directly to the Fedora Project without requiring them to give money to Red Hat, which is a very important detail. I believe that we are incredibly transparent about the manner in which our budget is spent. From the moment I became the Fedora Project Leader in February 2006, I have tracked the budget that I manage publicly on the Fedora wiki. If there are specific questions that you (or anyone) has, feel free to list them and I will do my best to answer. --Max From robert at fedoraproject.org Tue Dec 9 12:15:26 2008 From: robert at fedoraproject.org (Robert Scheck) Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2008 13:15:26 +0100 Subject: [Ambassadors] What Fedora makes sucking for me - or why I am NOT Fedora In-Reply-To: References: <20081209002540.GA25637@hurricane.linuxnetz.de> Message-ID: <20081209121526.GA28394@hurricane.linuxnetz.de> Hello Francesco, On Tue, 09 Dec 2008, Francesco Ugolini wrote: > BTW, Fedora EMEA is still alive and will open completely its wings soon :) the STILL ALIVE is my problem. Fedora EMEA e.V. is lacking communication and also transparency! I'm not getting informed what happens to my money. I think, I'm also one of the persons knowing best about Fedora EMEA e.V. and the reasons why founding it, as I was the former treasurer. But this still does not explain what Fedora EMEA e.V. does or maybe does not with the (my) money currently. And for beeing such quiet as currently, the 128 Euro are IMHO too much money... Greetings, Robert From mspevack at redhat.com Tue Dec 9 12:27:30 2008 From: mspevack at redhat.com (Max Spevack) Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2008 13:27:30 +0100 (CET) Subject: [Ambassadors] Re: What Fedora makes sucking for me - or why I am NOT Fedora In-Reply-To: <20081209002540.GA25637@hurricane.linuxnetz.de> References: <20081209002540.GA25637@hurricane.linuxnetz.de> Message-ID: On Tue, 9 Dec 2008, Robert Scheck wrote: > 128 Euro per year is IMHO too much for the current level of what seems > to happen with the money. And for that money I could support the Free > Software Foundation Europe (FSFE) with multiple membership fees per > year. And sorry, just one cool bathrobe isn't a good reason for > spending 128 Euro away per year. Without enough transparency and > communication, it's like throwing the money out of the window of my > room. As I mentioned in another email (just to Ambassadors list), there are a couple of points I'd like to make: (1) Since I started as the FPL in February 2006, I've tracked the money spent on Fedora publicly on the Fedora wiki not because I needed to or because someone told me to, but because I believed it was the right thing to do. That's almost 3 full years of total financial transparency. The money given to Fedora EMEA e.V. is a small piece of that budget, and it is repoted along with everything else. I can't think of another Linux distro that is as transparent with its finances as we are. (2) I never understood why the membership fees are anything other than nominal. The purpose of a legal entity like Fedora EMEA e.V. is *not* to collect money from Fedora contributors, but to serve as a legal entity that can hold onto resources from Red Hat (freeing us from having to spend resources in a 3-month window or watching them vanish) as well as to hold resources from other organizations that want to contribute directly to Fedora without having to contribute to Red Hat. > But nobody really follows, is having a look to these issues and > problems or even takes care of it...why? I think, this should be the > job of the Fedora Project leader, shouldn't it? I don't want to blame > neither Paul nor Max in this e-mail, I think everybody of us needs to > be more sensitive to issues around the Fedora Project and needs to > take more care before developing or forking something. There has long been a difficult balance between the overall day to day leadership of the Fedora Project, and the manner in which specific technical decisions are made. Many of the things you mentioned in your initial email fall into the latter category. I won't speak for Paul, but for me, I always knew that it would be inappropriate for me to try to micromanage individual technical pieces of Fedora, because that wasn't my expertise. So I never tried to, and instead tried to make it clear that FESCO and other engineering leaders within Fedora take that on. Looking back, I think that things have ended up going well enough, but I definitely could have done a better job in that area of my old FPL job. Recognizing this weakness was part of what led me to advocate for the creation of a Fedora Engineering Manager position (which Spot holds) at the same time that we brought in Paul to take over as the Fedora Project Leader. If the FPL is Fedora's "CEO" then the FEM is Fedora's "CTO". I also don't want to speak for Spot, but I think that it would be very appropriate for him to give a talk at FUDCon that represents his view of what Fedora's roadmap and critical path are from an engineering perspective in 2009. Maybe that should be the keynote, actually, since Paul gave the "Fedora State of the Union" in Boston back in June. I could write a few more paragraphs, but I think I've said enough for one email. --Max From bochecha at fedoraproject.org Tue Dec 9 12:29:56 2008 From: bochecha at fedoraproject.org (Mathieu Bridon (bochecha)) Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2008 13:29:56 +0100 (CET) Subject: Fedora EMEA e.V. (was: Re: [Ambassadors] Re: What Fedora makes sucking for me - or why I am NOT Fedora) In-Reply-To: References: <20081209002540.GA25637@hurricane.linuxnetz.de> <39317.VwBUX1dRCno=.1228816270.squirrel@webmail.no-log.org> Message-ID: <58627.VwBUX1dRCno=.1228825796.squirrel@webmail.no-log.org> > On Tue, 9 Dec 2008, Mathieu Bridon (bochecha) wrote: > >>>> Fedora EMEA e.V. also seems to be a mostly dead tree. Of course we >>>> have founded the association as legal vehicle. But it would be nice >>>> to see where >>> >>> Interesting, I thought that it was going well. Perhaps you should >>> ask FAmSCo to enlighten us here? >> >> I haver the same issue with EMEA as Robert. I'm french, we have our >> own association (and had it before the creation of EMEA). Our fee is >> 20?. EMEA is 128?. Guess which one I (and each and every french >> people) adhered to ? >> >> About them not being transparent enough, I must admit that I didn't >> try to interest myself about what they are doing, mainly because I >> will not adhere to it as long as the fee is so prohibitively high. For >> now, they are (to me) only a way to acquire really nice poloshirts >> (and thank you Joerg for taking care of that :) > > Personally, I don't care at all about the membership fee for Fedora EMEA > e.V. The value to me is not in getting Euros from already existing > Fedora members. The membership fee could be 1 EUR, and I wouldn't care. Well, for some people, there's a huge difference between spending 1? and 128?. > The value of Fedora-fr's organization and Fedora EMEA e.V. is that they > are LEGAL ENTITIES that can hold resources, and that can accept > resources from multiple parties. > > Read over my email from yesterday about the Q4 budget. The fact that in > EMEA, I can have Red Hat make one money transfer of budget to another > legal entity's bank account makes my life so much easier, and it means > that even if we don't spend all the money in one quarter, it doesn't > disappear. These non-profit organizations: > > (a) allow us to do a better job planning our expenses > > (b) allow non-Red Hat organizations to give money directly to the Fedora > Project without requiring them to give money to Red Hat, which is a very > important detail. True, and I never denied it. It is really important that everywhere, local communities can create legal entities for all the reason you listed, as well as: (c) be a legal, structured and credible reprentative in front of the countries / universities / companies / ... > I believe that we are incredibly transparent about the manner in which > our budget is spent. From the moment I became the Fedora Project Leader > in February 2006, I have tracked the budget that I manage publicly on > the Fedora wiki. > > If there are specific questions that you (or anyone) has, feel free to > list them and I will do my best to answer. Well, I did said that I wasn't commenting the "transparency issue" in EMEA as I myself didn't even try to look at what they were doing. The reason: I simply can't go and see how transparent are all the NPOs I'm not a member of ^_^ About the way you manage the Fedora Project budget, well, I'd love that if my employer would manage it the same way, and as transparently as you do. :) But that's the Fedora Project budget, and the EMEA budget is only a part of it. Anyway, this might have been the least important part of my own message, and I'm truly sorry if it offended you. All I said is that the fee is way too high for all the interested people to subscribe. I didn't want to raise any transparency issue. If that's how you understood my message, then I'm going back to learn english all over again :) Regards, ---------- Mathieu Bridon (bochecha) French Fedora Ambassador ---------- "They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety." ~Benjamin Franklin From stickster at gmail.com Tue Dec 9 12:31:01 2008 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2008 07:31:01 -0500 Subject: [Ambassadors] What Fedora makes sucking for me - or why I am NOT Fedora In-Reply-To: <20081209002540.GA25637@hurricane.linuxnetz.de> References: <20081209002540.GA25637@hurricane.linuxnetz.de> Message-ID: <20081209123101.GA6150@localhost.localdomain> On Tue, Dec 09, 2008 at 01:25:40AM +0100, Robert Scheck wrote: > Well, we had the intrusion into the servers of the Fedora Project. That is > now nearly 4 months ago. I remember to the words of our dear Fedora Project > leader, who made us believing with the sentence "We will continue to keep > the Fedora community notified of any updates." - but nothing happend after > that. We all are still waiting for final report about the intrusion into > the servers of the Fedora Project! Yes, we can: Open Source, but unluckily > no Open Communication! Even the communication during the intrusion time was > worse, e-mails to the Infrastructure team and to our Fedora Project leader > got not really answered (or just when reasking and bugging) when asking for > the issue and details even when it was mostly clear, that we're no longer > really men about ourself - the intrusion. The communications I've made thus far about the intrusion are the sum total of what we've been able to report with certainty and as fact. This is a rather complex situation made worse because the intrusion affected both Fedora and our sponsor, Red Hat. As I've indicated in my most recent statement about the intrusion, it is my intention to produce a detailed report as soon as we can. I continue to be in contact with the security and executive teams within Red Hat about this matter on a regular basis. I'm sorry these communications can't fall more in line with your expectations, but rest assured the matter has not been, and will not be, forgotten. Mike McGrath and I plan to sit down at FUDCon to talk about our response and communications plan for future incidents. If, heaven forbid, we ever suffer another intrusion, we want the community to know in advance what to expect in the way of announcements. -- Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available URL: From gerold at lugd.org Tue Dec 9 12:36:46 2008 From: gerold at lugd.org (Gerold) Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2008 13:36:46 +0100 (CET) Subject: [Ambassadors] What Fedora makes sucking for me - or why I am NOT Fedora In-Reply-To: <20081209121526.GA28394@hurricane.linuxnetz.de> References: <20081209002540.GA25637@hurricane.linuxnetz.de> <20081209121526.GA28394@hurricane.linuxnetz.de> Message-ID: <50343.155.208.254.98.1228826206.squirrel@www.gbc.net> > Hello Francesco, > > On Tue, 09 Dec 2008, Francesco Ugolini wrote: >> BTW, Fedora EMEA is still alive and will open completely its wings soon >> :) > > the STILL ALIVE is my problem. Fedora EMEA e.V. is lacking communication > and also transparency! I'm not getting informed what happens to my money. > I think, I'm also one of the persons knowing best about Fedora EMEA e.V. > and the reasons why founding it, as I was the former treasurer. But this > still does not explain what Fedora EMEA e.V. does or maybe does not with > the (my) money currently. And for beeing such quiet as currently, the 128 > Euro are IMHO too much money... > > > Greetings, > Robert ^^ I?m sorry, sitting in Boeblingen, Germany at a education and have not my "environment" with me to answer you in detail. But you?re right if you?ll say our or mine activity was not very strong in the past; exactly since end of Linuxtag but this are private issues (better say business and payed by my employer). You as a foundation member, also as elected Treasurer of the Fedora EMEA e.V. haveand also as Ambassador have all posibility to ask the board whatever you want and you?ll get an answer. But Robert, please also allow us to do our legal paperwork for the german financial departments and create the yearly mandatory financial report. Maybe you forgot, the NPO was founded in February this year. There is no general report done right now, because the end of the year is still ready. ... Ad by the way, would you get a report of every cent which you "spend to Fedora EMEA e.V." because you don?t trust the Board or why? I can?t understand your complains in details :-( Nobody needs to be member of this NPO! regards gerold From mspevack at redhat.com Tue Dec 9 12:38:01 2008 From: mspevack at redhat.com (Max Spevack) Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2008 13:38:01 +0100 (CET) Subject: Fedora EMEA e.V. (was: Re: [Ambassadors] Re: What Fedora makes sucking for me - or why I am NOT Fedora) In-Reply-To: <58627.VwBUX1dRCno=.1228825796.squirrel@webmail.no-log.org> References: <20081209002540.GA25637@hurricane.linuxnetz.de> <39317.VwBUX1dRCno=.1228816270.squirrel@webmail.no-log.org> <58627.VwBUX1dRCno=.1228825796.squirrel@webmail.no-log.org> Message-ID: On Tue, 9 Dec 2008, Mathieu Bridon (bochecha) wrote: > Well, for some people, there's a huge difference between spending 1? > and 128?. I don't mean that from a *personal* point of view, only that I don't think taking money from other Fedora contributors is the point. Sorry if I was unclear. > Anyway, this might have been the least important part of my own > message, and I'm truly sorry if it offended you. Not at all! I'm sorry if my reply sounded harsh. I was trying to address your points as well as Robert's initial ones! Everything's ok from my end :) --Max From fugolini at fedoraproject.org Tue Dec 9 13:01:37 2008 From: fugolini at fedoraproject.org (Francesco Ugolini) Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2008 14:01:37 +0100 Subject: [Ambassadors] Fedora EMEA e.v. (was Re: What Fedora makes sucking ...) In-Reply-To: <1228822941.4444.18.camel@wicktop.localdomain> References: <20081209002540.GA25637@hurricane.linuxnetz.de> <1228822941.4444.18.camel@wicktop.localdomain> Message-ID: 2008/12/9 Christoph Wickert : > Would it be possible (at least for members) to get a quarterly report on > what EMEA did and how much money was spent on what? Or would that just > be too much work? I'm not part of the board, like you I'm a member of the foundation. I could say only what FAmSCo knows: if I'm not wrong those money were used part for FAD EMEA 08 costs and part for LinuxTAG costs (swags etc...). BTW, only Fedora EMEA e.V. board could give more detailed numbers/facts. > IMHO this is not really concrete. One question I have for example is: > What decisions were made when, for example regarding the budget or > regarding events. And who made this decisions? Is there a place where we > can follow this decision-making, mail, irc logs or whatever? I don't see > any public discussion on this list. > See above. I have added in the To: address box, Fedora EMEA contact, in order to clearify all the doubts. >From my side I trust the NPO and its board and all its/their actions. Regards Francesco Ugolini From christoph.wickert at googlemail.com Tue Dec 9 13:14:23 2008 From: christoph.wickert at googlemail.com (Christoph Wickert) Date: Tue, 09 Dec 2008 14:14:23 +0100 Subject: [Ambassadors] Fedora EMEA e.v. (was Re: What Fedora makes sucking ...) In-Reply-To: References: <20081209002540.GA25637@hurricane.linuxnetz.de> <1228822941.4444.18.camel@wicktop.localdomain> Message-ID: <1228828463.4444.55.camel@wicktop.localdomain> Am Dienstag, den 09.12.2008, 14:01 +0100 schrieb Francesco Ugolini: > 2008/12/9 Christoph Wickert : > > > Would it be possible (at least for members) to get a quarterly report on > > what EMEA did and how much money was spent on what? Or would that just > > be too much work? > > I'm not part of the board, like you I'm a member of the foundation. Correction: I AM NOT member of EMEA e.V., I refuse to become member due to the fact that the current membership fee excludes people who would like to get involved. Site note: I recently became member of the LXDE foundation [1]. The member fee is just 1 ? a month. > >From my side I trust the NPO and its board and all its/their actions. As I said before: It's not about trust but about transparency. And I'd like to add: It's not about blaming someone but about improving things. Regards, Christoph [1] http://foundation.lxde.org/ From ricky at fedoraproject.org Tue Dec 9 13:15:41 2008 From: ricky at fedoraproject.org (Ricky Zhou) Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2008 08:15:41 -0500 Subject: [Ambassadors] Re: What Fedora makes sucking for me - or why I am NOT Fedora In-Reply-To: <39317.VwBUX1dRCno=.1228816270.squirrel@webmail.no-log.org> References: <20081209002540.GA25637@hurricane.linuxnetz.de> <39317.VwBUX1dRCno=.1228816270.squirrel@webmail.no-log.org> Message-ID: <20081209131541.GB15222@sphe.res.cmu.edu> On 2008-12-09 10:51:10 AM, Mathieu Bridon (bochecha) wrote: > About the legal constraints, I can totally understand that RedHat (the > private company) has to keep some informations. But in that case, RedHat > engineers should take over the issue and no one in Fedora should be aware > of it. Right now, we're in some kind of middle stage where only an elit of > Fedora people can be in the secret, and others are being despised. This > doesn't make a healthy community. I'm sorry, where did you get the idea that any "elite group" of Fedora people are in to some secret? What bothers me about this whole thing is that some Fedora community members are taking the heat for not giving enough information, even though they're not the ones making the decision of what they're allowed to say. Please don't bash them for somebody else's decision. Thanks, Ricky -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 197 bytes Desc: not available URL: From stickster at gmail.com Tue Dec 9 13:16:24 2008 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2008 08:16:24 -0500 Subject: [Ambassadors] Re: What Fedora makes sucking for me - or why I am NOT Fedora In-Reply-To: References: <20081209002540.GA25637@hurricane.linuxnetz.de> Message-ID: <20081209131624.GB4580@localhost.localdomain> On Tue, Dec 09, 2008 at 01:27:30PM +0100, Max Spevack wrote: > On Tue, 9 Dec 2008, Robert Scheck wrote: > >> But nobody really follows, is having a look to these issues and >> problems or even takes care of it...why? I think, this should be the >> job of the Fedora Project leader, shouldn't it? I don't want to blame >> neither Paul nor Max in this e-mail, I think everybody of us needs to >> be more sensitive to issues around the Fedora Project and needs to >> take more care before developing or forking something. > > There has long been a difficult balance between the overall day to day > leadership of the Fedora Project, and the manner in which specific > technical decisions are made. Many of the things you mentioned in your > initial email fall into the latter category. > > I won't speak for Paul, but for me, I always knew that it would be > inappropriate for me to try to micromanage individual technical pieces > of Fedora, because that wasn't my expertise. So I never tried to, and > instead tried to make it clear that FESCO and other engineering leaders > within Fedora take that on. For whatever it's worth, I've taken much the same position. Having an FPL who is an engineering micromanager would, I think, be an enormous detriment to the project and would be a disincentive for our many technically-minded contributors to solve problems in creative ways. > Looking back, I think that things have ended up going well enough, but I > definitely could have done a better job in that area of my old FPL job. I'm not sure that's the case, Max. "More" is not the same as "better" -- I'm absolutely confident you could have done *more* technical management as the FPL, but that wouldn't have led to you doing a better job in my opinion. Engineers tend, by and large, to be heavily Type A personalities: ego-driven, controlling, and detail-oriented. (I'm not speaking about Max or anyone in particular, just generalizing.) All these traits are very beneficial for problem solving and creating technical advancements. But in a manager they can be a heavy albatross, because the same people you're managing react poorly to those very behaviors! To me, creating an environment where people can solve these problems, and solving them oneself, are very different goals. > Recognizing this weakness was part of what led me to advocate for the > creation of a Fedora Engineering Manager position (which Spot holds) at > the same time that we brought in Paul to take over as the Fedora Project > Leader. > > If the FPL is Fedora's "CEO" then the FEM is Fedora's "CTO". I also > don't want to speak for Spot, but I think that it would be very > appropriate for him to give a talk at FUDCon that represents his view of > what Fedora's roadmap and critical path are from an engineering > perspective in 2009. Maybe that should be the keynote, actually, since > Paul gave the "Fedora State of the Union" in Boston back in June. 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I know and that's understandable to me. > But you're right if you'll say our or mine activity was not very strong > in the past; exactly since end of Linuxtag but this are private issues > (better say business and payed by my employer). This is not specific to you, more to the board of Fedora EMEA e.V. in total as you've e.g. two other guys which are allowed to represent the NPO into the world as well. > You as a foundation member, also as elected Treasurer of the Fedora EMEA > e.V. have and also as Ambassador have all posibility to ask the board > whatever you want and you'll get an answer. But Robert, please also allow > us to do our legal paperwork for the german financial departments and > create the yearly mandatory financial report. Maybe you forgot, the NPO > was founded in February this year. There is no general report done right > now, because the end of the year is still ready. The question for information and details was AFAIK handed out to the Fedora EMEA e.V. board already multiple times and as far as I can trust the voices regarding the FAD EMEA, the NPO wasn't also a theme on the topic there. It is not always me asking directly, but I'm also hearing voices and what I'm seeing is, that we all didn't get any message about what Fedora EMEA e.V. did the last half year. I am not the financial department, so I'm not interested how every cent was used or not used, but some rough general information when giving the money away should be possible, right? Of course not for every cent and not for every 50 or 100 Euro, but no communication is definately the wrong way, we currently drive. > ... Ad by the way, would you get a report of every cent which you "spend > to Fedora EMEA e.V." because you don't trust the Board or why? Sorry, if I maybe was unclear. I was not expecting a detailed report about every cent, but some news or messages like "we've payed t-shirts for XYZ" or "we have given money to ABC because of Blahfoo" to the members of the NPO via the already existing mailinglist would have been enough from my point of view - that should be a thing which seems to nothing special and also nothing much timeconsuming to me...otherwise delegate it? Fedora EMEA e.V. has a press person which could take care of that, right? But without the information, that something can get published, even a press person can not do that... > Nobody needs to be member of this NPO! Means? That we don't need any members in the NPO? I don't want to question the NPO, but if I'm allowed to remember, the NPO exists out of members which should get some knowledge about what happens inside and so on. If we just would have needed a legal organisation, we also could have founded a (non-profit) company rather an organisation, right? Greetings, Robert From mspevack at redhat.com Tue Dec 9 13:18:36 2008 From: mspevack at redhat.com (Max Spevack) Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2008 14:18:36 +0100 (CET) Subject: [Ambassadors] Fedora EMEA e.v. (was Re: What Fedora makes sucking ...) In-Reply-To: <1228828463.4444.55.camel@wicktop.localdomain> References: <20081209002540.GA25637@hurricane.linuxnetz.de> <1228822941.4444.18.camel@wicktop.localdomain> <1228828463.4444.55.camel@wicktop.localdomain> Message-ID: On Tue, 9 Dec 2008, Christoph Wickert wrote: > Correction: I AM NOT member of EMEA e.V., I refuse to become member > due to the fact that the current membership fee excludes people who > would like to get involved. Here's the interesting thing: In order to fulfill its mission, Fedora EMEA e.V. doesn't need any "members". What is important is having members of the Fedora Project. The non-profit is simply a safe, trusted place where resources can be held in escrow. Am I wrong? --Max From christoph.wickert at googlemail.com Tue Dec 9 13:20:15 2008 From: christoph.wickert at googlemail.com (Christoph Wickert) Date: Tue, 09 Dec 2008 14:20:15 +0100 Subject: [Ambassadors] What Fedora makes sucking for me - or why I am NOT Fedora In-Reply-To: <50343.155.208.254.98.1228826206.squirrel@www.gbc.net> References: <20081209002540.GA25637@hurricane.linuxnetz.de> <20081209121526.GA28394@hurricane.linuxnetz.de> <50343.155.208.254.98.1228826206.squirrel@www.gbc.net> Message-ID: <1228828815.4444.57.camel@wicktop.localdomain> Am Dienstag, den 09.12.2008, 13:36 +0100 schrieb Gerold: > ... Ad by the way, would you get a report of every cent which you "spend > to Fedora EMEA e.V." because you don?t trust the Board or why? This has nothing to do with trust but with transparency. > I can?t understand your complains in details :-( > > Nobody needs to be member of this NPO! This attitude comes very close to the "if you don't like it, get yourself a better linux distro"-attitude that Robert has criticized in his initial mail. Robert doesn't criticize Fedora or the NPO because he doesn't like/trust them but _because_he_cares. I have to admit that Robert's criticism is harsh, but still the president of EMEA e. V. needs to be able to understand it and cope with it. > regards > > gerold Kind regards, Christoph From felix at fetzig.org Tue Dec 9 13:23:49 2008 From: felix at fetzig.org (Felix Kaechele) Date: Tue, 09 Dec 2008 14:23:49 +0100 Subject: [Ambassadors] Fedora EMEA e.v. (was Re: What Fedora makes sucking ...) In-Reply-To: References: <20081209002540.GA25637@hurricane.linuxnetz.de> <1228822941.4444.18.camel@wicktop.localdomain> <1228828463.4444.55.camel@wicktop.localdomain> Message-ID: <493E7165.7000001@fetzig.org> Max Spevack schrieb: > Here's the interesting thing: In order to fulfill its mission, Fedora > EMEA e.V. doesn't need any "members". What is important is having > members of the Fedora Project. So membership is all about the bathrobes? :D Felix From robert at fedoraproject.org Tue Dec 9 13:27:12 2008 From: robert at fedoraproject.org (Robert Scheck) Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2008 14:27:12 +0100 Subject: [Ambassadors] Fedora EMEA e.v. (was Re: What Fedora makes sucking ...) In-Reply-To: References: <20081209002540.GA25637@hurricane.linuxnetz.de> <1228822941.4444.18.camel@wicktop.localdomain> <1228828463.4444.55.camel@wicktop.localdomain> Message-ID: <20081209132712.GA4954@hurricane.linuxnetz.de> Hello Max, On Tue, 09 Dec 2008, Max Spevack wrote: > Here's the interesting thing: In order to fulfill its mission, Fedora > EMEA e.V. doesn't need any "members". What is important is having > members of the Fedora Project. Fedora EMEA e.V. needs members to exist at all. At least the board + 1 if I know correctly. So without any members, the organisation dies and the whole money is transfered to the Free Software Foundation Europe (FSFE). > The non-profit is simply a safe, trusted place where resources can be > held in escrow. > > Am I wrong? No, I think you aren't wrong and I agree with you. My main issue is regarding the membership fee: I don't know, whether I am one of the less guys thinking, that giving 128 Euro per year to somewhere out of my private pocket is too much money if I don't hear anything by that organisation. And you surely can agree with me, that a simple message "we have bought XYZ poloshirts for ABC" would have been not to much, when I am now looking to the (by law allowed) representative part of the board, which is of course excluding you as treasurer being non-representative as by the statutes. Maybe the 128 Euro per year are the real issue. Maybe we should reduce to e.g. 12 Euro per year or similar, that people like me don't care about what happens with the (my) money. Greetings, Robert From mspevack at redhat.com Tue Dec 9 13:34:50 2008 From: mspevack at redhat.com (Max Spevack) Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2008 14:34:50 +0100 (CET) Subject: [Ambassadors] What Fedora makes sucking for me - or why I am NOT Fedora In-Reply-To: <20081209131513.GA4257@hurricane.linuxnetz.de> References: <20081209002540.GA25637@hurricane.linuxnetz.de> <20081209121526.GA28394@hurricane.linuxnetz.de> <50343.155.208.254.98.1228826206.squirrel@www.gbc.net> <20081209131513.GA4257@hurricane.linuxnetz.de> Message-ID: On Tue, 9 Dec 2008, Robert Scheck wrote: > The question for information and details was AFAIK handed out to the > Fedora EMEA e.V. board already multiple times and as far as I can > trust the voices regarding the FAD EMEA, the NPO wasn't also a theme > on the topic there. It is not always me asking directly, but I'm also > hearing voices and what I'm seeing is, that we all didn't get any > message about what Fedora EMEA e.V. did the last half year. Red Hat has given 6000 EUR to Fedora EMEA e.V. so far this year. Membership fees and other small donations added to this amount, but from a percentage-basis, probably over 80% of the funds that the non-profit has come from Red Hat. A big chunk of money was spent on things that people saw at LinuxTag -- bathrobes, polo shirts, USB sticks, etc. We also used the money from the non-profit to make the fedora tshirts that we're currently using at various EMEA events. We supported OpenExpo and RMLL out of Fedora EMEA e.V. funds, as well as supporting some of the costs associated with the meeting I had with a bunch of the French Ambassadors earlier in the year. There have been other miscellaneous expenses as well -- shipping things, etc. There are probably some other things that I am forgetting right now, also. Of course, there is also unspent money that we haven't done anything with yet. That's a broad overview. Does that help? --Max From pingou at pingoured.fr Tue Dec 9 13:33:43 2008 From: pingou at pingoured.fr (Pierre-Yves) Date: Tue, 09 Dec 2008 14:33:43 +0100 Subject: [Ambassadors] Fedora EMEA e.v. (was Re: What Fedora makes sucking ...) In-Reply-To: References: <20081209002540.GA25637@hurricane.linuxnetz.de> <1228822941.4444.18.camel@wicktop.localdomain> <1228828463.4444.55.camel@wicktop.localdomain> Message-ID: <493E73B7.90207@pingoured.fr> Max Spevack wrote: > On Tue, 9 Dec 2008, Christoph Wickert wrote: > >> Correction: I AM NOT member of EMEA e.V., I refuse to become member >> due to the fact that the current membership fee excludes people who >> would like to get involved. > > Here's the interesting thing: In order to fulfill its mission, Fedora > EMEA e.V. doesn't need any "members". What is important is having > members of the Fedora Project. > > The non-profit is simply a safe, trusted place where resources can be > held in escrow. > > Am I wrong? Here is the big misunderstanding about the EMEA NPO. Speaking from Fedora-fr we created the NPO in order to have members and some funds at a time when RH was not supporting us in the way it is now. Fedora EMEA's main goal is not to have members but it was created to have a legal platform in EMEA that could centralized the money from RH and handle the budget for the europen events. The problem comes from the fact that people *want* to be member of the NPO. They want to support their distro by giving some funds. If the fees were lower sure I would be member, but as I said Fedora EMEA is not about having members rather than a legal entity that can handle RH money for EMEA. Fedora EMEA is not about having members, but what if I want to support Fedora but can't afford 128? ? Fedora-Fr handled this problem by seting different fees for different categories: normal, student or company. Every one can thus be member but not for the same amount. Actually I do not remember why EMEA should not have member ? If the fees are 10? that nothing compared to the EMEA budget, but if there are 10 people giving 10? that's make 100? more that can be invested into an event. Please correct me if I am wrong :) BTW Fedora EMEA is doing something, it is supporting the organization of most of the events in EMEA ! Best regards, Pierre From mspevack at redhat.com Tue Dec 9 13:38:26 2008 From: mspevack at redhat.com (Max Spevack) Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2008 14:38:26 +0100 (CET) Subject: [Ambassadors] Fedora EMEA e.v. (was Re: What Fedora makes sucking ...) In-Reply-To: <20081209132712.GA4954@hurricane.linuxnetz.de> References: <20081209002540.GA25637@hurricane.linuxnetz.de> <1228822941.4444.18.camel@wicktop.localdomain> <1228828463.4444.55.camel@wicktop.localdomain> <20081209132712.GA4954@hurricane.linuxnetz.de> Message-ID: On Tue, 9 Dec 2008, Robert Scheck wrote: > Fedora EMEA e.V. needs members to exist at all. At least the board + 1 > if I know correctly. So without any members, the organisation dies and > the whole money is transfered to the Free Software Foundation Europe > (FSFE). Sure, it needs a bare minimum amount of members. But its *purpose* isn't to grow its membership rolls, if that makes sense. >> The non-profit is simply a safe, trusted place where resources can be >> held in escrow. >> >> Am I wrong? > > No, I think you aren't wrong and I agree with you. > > My main issue is regarding the membership fee: I don't know, whether I > am one of the less guys thinking, that giving 128 Euro per year to > somewhere out of my private pocket is too much money if I don't hear > anything by that organisation. And you surely can agree with me, that > a simple message "we have bought XYZ poloshirts for ABC" would have > been not to much, when I am now looking to the (by law allowed) > representative part of the board, which is of course excluding you as > treasurer being non-representative as by the statutes. See my other email in this thread, sent a few minutes ago. > Maybe the 128 Euro per year are the real issue. Maybe we should reduce > to e.g. 12 Euro per year or similar, that people like me don't care > about what happens with the (my) money. That would be fine with me. To be honest, I don't remember what the original rationale was for setting the membership fee at 128. --Max From mspevack at redhat.com Tue Dec 9 13:40:03 2008 From: mspevack at redhat.com (Max Spevack) Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2008 14:40:03 +0100 (CET) Subject: [Ambassadors] Fedora EMEA e.v. (was Re: What Fedora makes sucking ...) In-Reply-To: <493E7165.7000001@fetzig.org> References: <20081209002540.GA25637@hurricane.linuxnetz.de> <1228822941.4444.18.camel@wicktop.localdomain> <1228828463.4444.55.camel@wicktop.localdomain> <493E7165.7000001@fetzig.org> Message-ID: On Tue, 9 Dec 2008, Felix Kaechele wrote: > So membership is all about the bathrobes? :D I wear mine to fancy restaurants. --Max From gerold at lugd.org Tue Dec 9 13:40:02 2008 From: gerold at lugd.org (Gerold) Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2008 14:40:02 +0100 (CET) Subject: [Ambassadors] Fedora EMEA e.v. (was Re: What Fedora makes sucking ...) In-Reply-To: <20081209132712.GA4954@hurricane.linuxnetz.de> References: <20081209002540.GA25637@hurricane.linuxnetz.de> <1228822941.4444.18.camel@wicktop.localdomain> <1228828463.4444.55.camel@wicktop.localdomain> <20081209132712.GA4954@hurricane.linuxnetz.de> Message-ID: <21772.155.208.254.98.1228830002.squirrel@www.gbc.net> > Hello Max, > > On Tue, 09 Dec 2008, Max Spevack wrote: >> Here's the interesting thing: In order to fulfill its mission, Fedora >> EMEA e.V. doesn't need any "members". What is important is having >> members of the Fedora Project. > > Fedora EMEA e.V. needs members to exist at all. At least the board + 1 if > I > know correctly. So without any members, the organisation dies and the > whole > money is transfered to the Free Software Foundation Europe (FSFE). > >> The non-profit is simply a safe, trusted place where resources can be >> held in escrow. >> >> Am I wrong? > > No, I think you aren't wrong and I agree with you. > > My main issue is regarding the membership fee: I don't know, whether I am > one of the less guys thinking, that giving 128 Euro per year to somewhere > out of my private pocket is too much money if I don't hear anything by > that > organisation. And you surely can agree with me, that a simple message "we > have bought XYZ poloshirts for ABC" would have been not to much, when I am > now looking to the (by law allowed) representative part of the board, > which > is of course excluding you as treasurer being non-representative as by the > statutes. > > Maybe the 128 Euro per year are the real issue. Maybe we should reduce to > e.g. 12 Euro per year or similar, that people like me don't care about > what > happens with the (my) money. ^^ To be honest; I don?t want to keep this discussion away from the ML because THIS is only PART and DECISSION by the emembers of Fedora EMEA e.V. and not a topic which must discussed here in the "Ambassadors world"; ... I?m very unlucky seeing that discussion about the NPO; but also understand it on one hand (and not on the other hand). And, Christoph, Robert and all other, I feel and see this "discussions" and "complains" very, very, very personall because I was one of the power to found that NPO. But as said, every member can have my seat after my first period and be a better "President" than me! Gerold From peter at reuschlein.de Tue Dec 9 13:42:38 2008 From: peter at reuschlein.de (Peter Reuschlein) Date: Tue, 09 Dec 2008 14:42:38 +0100 Subject: [Ambassadors] What Fedora makes sucking for me - or why I am NOT Fedora In-Reply-To: <50343.155.208.254.98.1228826206.squirrel@www.gbc.net> References: <20081209002540.GA25637@hurricane.linuxnetz.de> <20081209121526.GA28394@hurricane.linuxnetz.de> <50343.155.208.254.98.1228826206.squirrel@www.gbc.net> Message-ID: <493E75CE.6020806@reuschlein.de> > ^^ > I?m sorry, sitting in Boeblingen, Germany at a education and have not my > "environment" with me to answer you in detail. > But you?re right if you?ll say our or mine activity was not very strong in > the past; exactly since end of Linuxtag but this are private issues > (better say business and payed by my employer). > You as a foundation member, also as elected Treasurer of the Fedora EMEA > e.V. haveand also as Ambassador have all posibility to ask the board > whatever you want and you?ll get an answer. But Robert, please also allow > us to do our legal paperwork for the german financial departments and > create the yearly mandatory financial report. Maybe you forgot, the NPO > was founded in February this year. There is no general report done right > now, because the end of the year is still ready. > > ... Ad by the way, would you get a report of every cent which you "spend > to Fedora EMEA e.V." because you don?t trust the Board or why? > > I can?t understand your complains in details :-( > > Nobody needs to be member of this NPO! Hi, just a suggestion. I know Max published his complete accouting in the wiki. Why not doing the same for the FAD EMEA?. Then the hole process would be transparent and noone can complain about it. Also i think people take this hole discussion too personally. We all have the same target to improve Fedora. The methods may be diffrent but we should be able to discuss this. regards Peter -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 259 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From felix at fetzig.org Tue Dec 9 14:05:08 2008 From: felix at fetzig.org (Felix Kaechele) Date: Tue, 09 Dec 2008 15:05:08 +0100 Subject: [Ambassadors] Fedora EMEA e.v. (was Re: What Fedora makes sucking ...) In-Reply-To: References: <20081209002540.GA25637@hurricane.linuxnetz.de> <1228822941.4444.18.camel@wicktop.localdomain> <1228828463.4444.55.camel@wicktop.localdomain> <20081209132712.GA4954@hurricane.linuxnetz.de> Message-ID: <493E7B14.6070705@fetzig.org> Max Spevack schrieb: > On Tue, 9 Dec 2008, Robert Scheck wrote: >> Maybe the 128 Euro per year are the real issue. Maybe we should reduce >> to e.g. 12 Euro per year or similar, that people like me don't care >> about what happens with the (my) money. > > That would be fine with me. To be honest, I don't remember what the > original rationale was for setting the membership fee at 128. Quoting Max Spevack from https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-ambassadors-list/2008-May/msg00051.html According to Gerold there were two reasons for the 128 EUR: a) "we are binary people" and 128 EUR equals 2*2*2*2*2*2*2. b) "we are having the same fee in my local LUG, too" Honestly I don't think that any of these sounds convincing. Maybe there are better reasons, but this is what Gerold told me on the phone. Hope that helps, Felix From felix at fetzig.org Tue Dec 9 14:06:39 2008 From: felix at fetzig.org (Felix Kaechele) Date: Tue, 09 Dec 2008 15:06:39 +0100 Subject: [Ambassadors] Fedora EMEA e.v. (was Re: What Fedora makes sucking ...) In-Reply-To: <493E7B14.6070705@fetzig.org> References: <20081209002540.GA25637@hurricane.linuxnetz.de> <1228822941.4444.18.camel@wicktop.localdomain> <1228828463.4444.55.camel@wicktop.localdomain> <20081209132712.GA4954@hurricane.linuxnetz.de> <493E7B14.6070705@fetzig.org> Message-ID: <493E7B6F.70007@fetzig.org> Felix Kaechele schrieb: > Quoting Max Spevack from > https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-ambassadors-list/2008-May/msg00051.html WAIT :D Sorry Max, that wasn't you writing that but Christoph Wickert. Felix From gerold at lugd.org Tue Dec 9 14:24:37 2008 From: gerold at lugd.org (Gerold) Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2008 15:24:37 +0100 (CET) Subject: [Ambassadors] What Fedora makes sucking for me - or why I am NOT Fedora In-Reply-To: <1228828815.4444.57.camel@wicktop.localdomain> References: <20081209002540.GA25637@hurricane.linuxnetz.de> <20081209121526.GA28394@hurricane.linuxnetz.de> <50343.155.208.254.98.1228826206.squirrel@www.gbc.net> <1228828815.4444.57.camel@wicktop.localdomain> Message-ID: <17628.155.208.254.98.1228832677.squirrel@www.gbc.net> Sorry for such words only in german; but for everybody who will understand: Use a translator :-( ... ich wolle erst schreiben, "if you don't understand this kind of criticism I'd like to kindly ask you not to run for the NPO's presidency again", aber ich habe angst vor den reaktionen .... And for the writer of that lines: Be sure that I don?t run again for President. Maybe you will and you can the better next President. And "Last but not least", maybe I should give up every "activitys" in the Ambassador Project, because it hurts too much seeing, what you?re doing right now. Over and end From stickster at gmail.com Tue Dec 9 14:30:43 2008 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2008 09:30:43 -0500 Subject: [Ambassadors] Re: What Fedora makes sucking for me - or why I am NOT Fedora In-Reply-To: <20081209131541.GB15222@sphe.res.cmu.edu> References: <20081209002540.GA25637@hurricane.linuxnetz.de> <39317.VwBUX1dRCno=.1228816270.squirrel@webmail.no-log.org> <20081209131541.GB15222@sphe.res.cmu.edu> Message-ID: <20081209143043.GB7415@localhost.localdomain> On Tue, Dec 09, 2008 at 08:15:41AM -0500, Ricky Zhou wrote: > On 2008-12-09 10:51:10 AM, Mathieu Bridon (bochecha) wrote: > > About the legal constraints, I can totally understand that RedHat (the > > private company) has to keep some informations. But in that case, RedHat > > engineers should take over the issue and no one in Fedora should be aware > > of it. Right now, we're in some kind of middle stage where only an elit of > > Fedora people can be in the secret, and others are being despised. This > > doesn't make a healthy community. > I'm sorry, where did you get the idea that any "elite group" of Fedora > people are in to some secret? > > What bothers me about this whole thing is that some Fedora community > members are taking the heat for not giving enough information, even > though they're not the ones making the decision of what they're allowed > to say. > > Please don't bash them for somebody else's decision. There are *NO* Fedora community members who should be taking heat for anything to do with the intrusion report, other than myself. If anyone has questions about forthcoming information, they should be directed to me. -- Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available URL: From gerold at lugd.org Tue Dec 9 14:34:21 2008 From: gerold at lugd.org (Gerold) Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2008 15:34:21 +0100 (CET) Subject: [Ambassadors] Fedora EMEA e.v. (was Re: What Fedora makes sucking ...) In-Reply-To: <493E7B6F.70007@fetzig.org> References: <20081209002540.GA25637@hurricane.linuxnetz.de> <1228822941.4444.18.camel@wicktop.localdomain> <1228828463.4444.55.camel@wicktop.localdomain> <20081209132712.GA4954@hurricane.linuxnetz.de> <493E7B14.6070705@fetzig.org> <493E7B6F.70007@fetzig.org> Message-ID: <42573.155.208.254.98.1228833261.squirrel@www.gbc.net> Was immer Ihr im #fedora-de Chat (?ber mich GANZ pers?nlich, meine Arbeit f?r Fedora und meine Ideen und Visionen) gesagt habt; HUT AB und meinen VOLLEN RESPEKT!!!!! Schade, dass ich nicht pers?nlich dabei sein konnte ... Ganz artig bedanke ich mich bei Euch f?r Euer Vertrauen und Euer Engagement, mich bisher zu unterst?tzen. Ich muss mir allen Ernstes ?berlegen ob ich noch gewillt und bereit bin, meine Freizeit f?r so tolle Kollegen und "Freunde" zu opfern ... Wenn Ihr w?sstet, wie Ihr mich verletzt habt! Gerold From fugolini at fedoraproject.org Tue Dec 9 14:34:43 2008 From: fugolini at fedoraproject.org (Francesco Ugolini) Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2008 15:34:43 +0100 Subject: [Ambassadors] What Fedora makes sucking for me - or why I am NOT Fedora In-Reply-To: <17628.155.208.254.98.1228832677.squirrel@www.gbc.net> References: <20081209002540.GA25637@hurricane.linuxnetz.de> <20081209121526.GA28394@hurricane.linuxnetz.de> <50343.155.208.254.98.1228826206.squirrel@www.gbc.net> <1228828815.4444.57.camel@wicktop.localdomain> <17628.155.208.254.98.1228832677.squirrel@www.gbc.net> Message-ID: Ok, I think it's time to end to this discussion (at list in the list). I'm sure Gerold, Max and Paul emails, along with the other Fedora EMEA e.V. members suggestions, have clarified all the doubts moved by Robert and the other ambassadors. I don't want to hurt anyone closing this discussion, I think the NPO has its own, by-law, tools to discuss about the steering of this one. >From a Fedora Project POV I agree with all the points moved by Max and Paul. Best regards Francesco Ugolini From bochecha at fedoraproject.org Tue Dec 9 14:37:03 2008 From: bochecha at fedoraproject.org (Mathieu Bridon (bochecha)) Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2008 15:37:03 +0100 (CET) Subject: [Ambassadors] Re: What Fedora makes sucking for me - or why I am NOT Fedora Message-ID: <50148.VwBUX1dRCno=.1228833423.squirrel@webmail.no-log.org> > On 2008-12-09 10:51:10 AM, Mathieu Bridon (bochecha) wrote: >> About the legal constraints, I can totally understand that RedHat (the >> private company) has to keep some informations. But in that case, RedHat >> engineers should take over the issue and no one in Fedora should be >> aware >> of it. Right now, we're in some kind of middle stage where only an elit >> of >> Fedora people can be in the secret, and others are being despised. This >> doesn't make a healthy community. > I'm sorry, where did you get the idea that any "elite group" of Fedora > people are in to some secret? Some know, some don't. That makes an elit group who is in the secret for me. > What bothers me about this whole thing is that some Fedora community > members are taking the heat for not giving enough information, even > though they're not the ones making the decision of what they're allowed > to say. > > Please don't bash them for somebody else's decision. Did I bash someone ? Did I say there was some conspiration from this "elit" group I spoke about ? Did I say that they were happy of this situation ? Read again what I said. If _RedHat_ has to hide some informations (which is totally understandable on a legal point of view for a private company), then the whole Fedora community should be kept unaware _even the ones working for RedHat_. IMHO, that's the only way to preserve both: - the secrecy needed by such an investigation - the cohesion and transparency of the community Once again, evasive informations are totally understandable when they come from a private company facing such an issue, but they hurt when they come from a suposedly open and transparent community you felt you were playing an integral part. Sorry for the rant, but if we should not rant and simply accept what's coming from the top, then I fear we are even less open and transparent that what the intrusion showed us. Regards, ---------- Mathieu Bridon (bochecha) French Fedora Ambassador ---------- "They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety." ~Benjamin Franklin From christoph.wickert at googlemail.com Tue Dec 9 14:32:59 2008 From: christoph.wickert at googlemail.com (Christoph Wickert) Date: Tue, 09 Dec 2008 15:32:59 +0100 Subject: [Ambassadors] Fedora EMEA e.v. (was Re: What Fedora makes sucking ...) In-Reply-To: <21772.155.208.254.98.1228830002.squirrel@www.gbc.net> References: <20081209002540.GA25637@hurricane.linuxnetz.de> <1228822941.4444.18.camel@wicktop.localdomain> <1228828463.4444.55.camel@wicktop.localdomain> <20081209132712.GA4954@hurricane.linuxnetz.de> <21772.155.208.254.98.1228830002.squirrel@www.gbc.net> Message-ID: <1228833179.4444.70.camel@wicktop.localdomain> Am Dienstag, den 09.12.2008, 14:40 +0100 schrieb Gerold: > And, Christoph, Robert and all other, I feel and see this "discussions" > and "complains" very, very, very personall because I was one of the power > to found that NPO. Maybe this is part of your problem: You must not take things personally. You felt offended when I criticized one very particular point in the design of the EMEA. I did not criticize you though. > But as said, every member can have my seat after my first period and be a > better "President" than me! I still think you are doing a great job for Fedora in general and the ambassadors in particular, so I wouldn't but dare saying that you can not run for presidency for another year (note: I cannot decide on that anyway, since I'm not a member). All I'd like to say: As a president you need to be able to cope with criticism because it's part of the job. It's burden and basic requirement at the same time. > > Gerold Kind Regards, Christoph From stickster at gmail.com Tue Dec 9 14:46:42 2008 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2008 09:46:42 -0500 Subject: [Ambassadors] Re: What Fedora makes sucking for me - or why I am NOT Fedora In-Reply-To: <50148.VwBUX1dRCno=.1228833423.squirrel@webmail.no-log.org> References: <50148.VwBUX1dRCno=.1228833423.squirrel@webmail.no-log.org> Message-ID: <20081209144642.GC7415@localhost.localdomain> On Tue, Dec 09, 2008 at 03:37:03PM +0100, Mathieu Bridon (bochecha) wrote: > Read again what I said. If _RedHat_ has to hide some informations (which > is totally understandable on a legal point of view for a private company), > then the whole Fedora community should be kept unaware _even the ones > working for RedHat_. > > IMHO, that's the only way to preserve both: > - the secrecy needed by such an investigation > - the cohesion and transparency of the community Ah, I see. You're under the impression that I or someone else in the Fedora community also knows what's going on in Red Hat's internal investigation. I can assure you that I, for one, don't. And that's been done, I believe, so the internal investigation and response isn't compromised. Does this clarify the situation, then? -- Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available URL: From ricky at fedoraproject.org Tue Dec 9 15:06:04 2008 From: ricky at fedoraproject.org (Ricky Zhou) Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2008 10:06:04 -0500 Subject: [Ambassadors] Re: What Fedora makes sucking for me - or why I am NOT Fedora In-Reply-To: <50148.VwBUX1dRCno=.1228833423.squirrel@webmail.no-log.org> References: <50148.VwBUX1dRCno=.1228833423.squirrel@webmail.no-log.org> Message-ID: <20081209150604.GB2585@sphe.res.cmu.edu> On 2008-12-09 03:37:03 PM, Mathieu Bridon (bochecha) wrote: > >> Fedora people can be in the secret, and others are being despised. This > >> doesn't make a healthy community. > > I'm sorry, where did you get the idea that any "elite group" of Fedora > > people are in to some secret? > > Some know, some don't. That makes an elit group who is in the secret for me. Sorry, the phrases "elite group" and "others are being despised" struck a nerve, so I probably misinterpreted what you were trying to imply. > Read again what I said. If _RedHat_ has to hide some informations (which > is totally understandable on a legal point of view for a private company), > then the whole Fedora community should be kept unaware _even the ones > working for RedHat_. Even in retrospect, I don't think your approach would have been practical, as the Incident clearly needed some sort of response from Fedora. Either way, I think this could be a very meaningful discussion to have after more information is released. I would definitely agree that there were some big problems in how the Incident was handled, but it's probably best to wait until we have more details before coming to definite conslusions about how things should have been done. Thanks, Ricky -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 197 bytes Desc: not available URL: From bochecha at fedoraproject.org Tue Dec 9 15:18:30 2008 From: bochecha at fedoraproject.org (Mathieu Bridon (bochecha)) Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2008 16:18:30 +0100 (CET) Subject: [Ambassadors] Re: What Fedora makes sucking for me - or why I am NOT Fedora Message-ID: <37724.VwBUX1dRCno=.1228835910.squirrel@webmail.no-log.org> > On Tue, Dec 09, 2008 at 03:37:03PM +0100, Mathieu Bridon (bochecha) wrote: >> Read again what I said. If _RedHat_ has to hide some informations (which >> is totally understandable on a legal point of view for a private >> company), >> then the whole Fedora community should be kept unaware _even the ones >> working for RedHat_. >> >> IMHO, that's the only way to preserve both: >> - the secrecy needed by such an investigation >> - the cohesion and transparency of the community > > Ah, I see. You're under the impression that I or someone else in the > Fedora community also knows what's going on in Red Hat's internal > investigation. I can assure you that I, for one, don't. And that's > been done, I believe, so the internal investigation and response isn't > compromised. > > Does this clarify the situation, then? Totally. And if that's the case, I do think it would have made a tremendous difference regarding the community reaction if it had been made totally clear from the very beginning. I don't know, maybe you could have said it in your announces. Or maybe someone from RedHat who is _not_ part of the Fedora community could have taken over the issue and communicated instead of you. Anyway, now that you explained it, I feel totally dumb ^_^ Please, do clarify this outside of this list so that the FUD about the openness and transparency of the Fedora Community can stop (and yes, even if I've been part of the FUD, it's been hurting me). Regards, ---------- Mathieu Bridon (bochecha) French Fedora Ambassador ---------- "They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety." ~Benjamin Franklin From mspevack at redhat.com Tue Dec 9 15:21:50 2008 From: mspevack at redhat.com (Max Spevack) Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2008 16:21:50 +0100 (CET) Subject: [Ambassadors] final thoughts (for now) about Fedora EMEA e.V. Message-ID: A few quick things, to try to tie up today's discussion: (1) Final accounting for 2008 will take place, and I assure you all that the report will be available to everyone when it is. I briefly sketched out some of the information earlier, which I hope was useful. (2) If *anyone* who paid their 128 EUR membership fee regrets doing so (either because it was too much money, or for any reason at all), tell me privately and we will give you your money back. No questions asked, and no hard feelings. (3) Membership in Fedora EMEA e.V. and membership in the larger Fedora Project really don't need to have anything to do with each other at all. The goal of the non-profit is to *make life easier* when getting resources (money, and the things money buys) to people in our community across EMEA. Any side-effects of the group that are not helping with that mission should be discussed, fixed, and/or eliminated. Thanks for your time, Max From christoph.wickert at googlemail.com Tue Dec 9 15:30:46 2008 From: christoph.wickert at googlemail.com (Christoph Wickert) Date: Tue, 09 Dec 2008 16:30:46 +0100 Subject: [Ambassadors] Fedora EMEA e.v. (was Re: What Fedora makes sucking ...) In-Reply-To: <493E73B7.90207@pingoured.fr> References: <20081209002540.GA25637@hurricane.linuxnetz.de> <1228822941.4444.18.camel@wicktop.localdomain> <1228828463.4444.55.camel@wicktop.localdomain> <493E73B7.90207@pingoured.fr> Message-ID: <1228836646.4444.109.camel@wicktop.localdomain> Am Dienstag, den 09.12.2008, 14:33 +0100 schrieb Pierre-Yves: > Max Spevack wrote: > > On Tue, 9 Dec 2008, Christoph Wickert wrote: > > > >> Correction: I AM NOT member of EMEA e.V., I refuse to become member > >> due to the fact that the current membership fee excludes people who > >> would like to get involved. > > > > Here's the interesting thing: In order to fulfill its mission, Fedora > > EMEA e.V. doesn't need any "members". What is important is having > > members of the Fedora Project. > > > > The non-profit is simply a safe, trusted place where resources can be > > held in escrow. > > > > Am I wrong? > > Here is the big misunderstanding about the EMEA NPO. > Speaking from Fedora-fr we created the NPO in order to have members and > some funds at a time when RH was not supporting us in the way it is now. > > Fedora EMEA's main goal is not to have members but it was created to > have a legal platform in EMEA that could centralized the money from RH > and handle the budget for the europen events. This is why I'm surprised to hear the numbers from Max. I thought the EMEA e.V. is the legal entity for the whole budget given by RH and not just 6000 ?. Maybe Max can elaborate this is little? > The problem comes from the fact that people *want* to be member of the > NPO. They want to support their distro by giving some funds. If the fees > were lower sure I would be member, but as I said Fedora EMEA is not > about having members rather than a legal entity that can handle RH money > for EMEA. > > Fedora EMEA is not about having members, but what if I want to support > Fedora but can't afford 128? ? > Fedora-Fr handled this problem by seting different fees for different > categories: normal, student or company. Every one can thus be member but > not for the same amount. I already made this suggestion half a year ago, but did not get posivite feedback. > > Actually I do not remember why EMEA should not have member ? > If the fees are 10? that nothing compared to the EMEA budget, but if > there are 10 people giving 10? that's make 100? more that can be > invested into an event. > > Please correct me if I am wrong :) > > BTW Fedora EMEA is doing something, it is supporting the organization of > most of the events in EMEA ! I wouldn't say so: Most events are organized by Fedora ambassadors and some of them happen to be also members of the NPO. ATM I cant see a leadership of the NPO or that it's doing more than the rest of us. > > Best regards, > > Pierre Regards, Christoph From mspevack at redhat.com Tue Dec 9 15:53:19 2008 From: mspevack at redhat.com (Max Spevack) Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2008 16:53:19 +0100 (CET) Subject: [Ambassadors] Fedora EMEA e.v. (was Re: What Fedora makes sucking ...) In-Reply-To: <1228836646.4444.109.camel@wicktop.localdomain> References: <20081209002540.GA25637@hurricane.linuxnetz.de> <1228822941.4444.18.camel@wicktop.localdomain> <1228828463.4444.55.camel@wicktop.localdomain> <493E73B7.90207@pingoured.fr> <1228836646.4444.109.camel@wicktop.localdomain> Message-ID: On Tue, 9 Dec 2008, Christoph Wickert wrote: > This is why I'm surprised to hear the numbers from Max. I thought the > EMEA e.V. is the legal entity for the whole budget given by RH and not > just 6000 ?. Maybe Max can elaborate this is little? Sure, I'll try. First, look at things from the perspective of the Red Hat Community Architecture team, which I am the budget manager for. We do a bunch of things with our money -- the details, as many people have seen, are on the Fedora wiki at CommunityArchitecture/Expenses. One of the things that my team does is make sure that the budget for Fedora events and swag all over the world exists, and that it gets into the hands of the right people. Worldwide, this budget is usually somewhere around $15k USD per quarter. This happens a few different ways. (1) I pay for stuff with my Red Hat credit card, file an expense report, and note the amount in my budget calculations. (2) Ambassadors spend money, send me their receipts, and get reimbursed with PayPal. This happens a lot in North America, and it occasionally happens in EMEA. IMPORTANT POINT NUMBER ONE: Some of the EMEA expenses for the Fedora Project are reimbursed directly to Ambassadors by me without ever going through Fedora EMEA e.V. IMPORTANT POINT NUMBER TWO: Some of the EMEA expenses for the Fedora Project are paid directly by Red Hat, without ever going through Fedora EMEA e.V. For example, the Fedora 9 and Fedora 10 CDs that are made in the Munich office and charged to my budget. (3) Ambassadors are reimbursed by folks like Sankarshan (in India) or Harish (in APAC). Sankarshan or Harish file expense reports, which are counted against my budget. So, let me summarize: * Our budget for Fedora marketing/events/swag is spent all over the world, and it is spent in many different ways. * Sometimes, people in EMEA are reimbursed directly by me via PayPal, or even via cash, and they just hand me their receipts. Moving on... The value that the Fedora EMEA e.V. non-profit provides is the legal entity and the ability for US Dollars (which is what my budget is in) to be transferred to Euros, and for those Euros to be transferred to either Ambassadors, or other vendors (like the people who made our shirts) via simple payment methods. A lot of our Ambassadors in EMEA can't take Paypal. If I do personal bank transfers from my US bank, Red Hat gets angry at me and sometimes doesn't pay me back -- this is the problem we have with funding LATAM many times. By filling out the paperwork which allows Red Hat to give some money to Fedora EMEA e.V. (which is a legal entity), I can say "well, there's probably 3000 EUR worth of costs coming up that are going to be spread around EMEA. Let's make one transfer to the Fedora EMEA e.V. group, and then we can pay out all the money we need to from there." Does this make things more clear? We start with the total budget for Fedora events & marketing. Call it $X. From there, we end up with a sub-set that will be spent in EMEA, call it $Y. Some amount of $Y will be spent either directly by me -- like paying for the hotel at FAD EMEA. But some amount of $Y can be handed to Fedora EMEA e.V. (call this $Z). Fedora EMEA e.V. holds on to $Z until it is ready to go to whatever its final location is. ============== The whole idea of "membership" is what is causing the problem here. Fedora EMEA e.V. is a "hack", albeit a perfectly legal one, that simply makes it easier to move Fedora's resources from one part of the world to another, with a minimum of headaches. If it's doing its job properly, people shouldn't even know that it exists, and they shouldn't even care. Maybe the best thing to do is to figure out what the smallest "membership" requirements are for the group to maintain its legal status, and implement it that way in 2009. ========== I cannot be more clear about this final point: The Fedora Project *does not want money* from people who are already contributing their time and effort. People already pay out of their own pocket sometimes to travel to events. A "membership fee" for Fedora EMEA e.V. isn't something that I care about at all. Having a way to turn my budget of dollars into Euros, and to get those Euros to the people who need them, is what I care about. That is what is important. It's a way to prevent me from being the "middle man" between the Fedora budget and all the Ambassadors worldwide, which causes me a lot of headaches. I can't pay for all of Fedora's costs out of my own pocket, and then wait to see which of those costs Red Hat is willing to reimburse me for. --Max From christoph.wickert at googlemail.com Tue Dec 9 16:39:54 2008 From: christoph.wickert at googlemail.com (Christoph Wickert) Date: Tue, 09 Dec 2008 17:39:54 +0100 Subject: [Ambassadors] Fedora EMEA e.v. (was Re: What Fedora makes sucking ...) In-Reply-To: References: <20081209002540.GA25637@hurricane.linuxnetz.de> <1228822941.4444.18.camel@wicktop.localdomain> <1228828463.4444.55.camel@wicktop.localdomain> <493E73B7.90207@pingoured.fr> <1228836646.4444.109.camel@wicktop.localdomain> Message-ID: <1228840794.4444.143.camel@wicktop.localdomain> Am Dienstag, den 09.12.2008, 16:53 +0100 schrieb Max Spevack: > Does this make things more clear? Yes it does, thanks! The fact that only a small amount of the money is going to EMEA e. V. also makes the high membership more comprehensible. Thanks for this mail, now I do unterstand some things that were still left unclear the discussion back in May. Regards, Christoph From christoph.wickert at googlemail.com Tue Dec 9 16:42:24 2008 From: christoph.wickert at googlemail.com (Christoph Wickert) Date: Tue, 09 Dec 2008 17:42:24 +0100 Subject: [Ambassadors] Re: What Fedora makes sucking for me - or why I am NOT Fedora In-Reply-To: <20081209143043.GB7415@localhost.localdomain> References: <20081209002540.GA25637@hurricane.linuxnetz.de> <39317.VwBUX1dRCno=.1228816270.squirrel@webmail.no-log.org> <20081209131541.GB15222@sphe.res.cmu.edu> <20081209143043.GB7415@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1228840944.4444.146.camel@wicktop.localdomain> Am Dienstag, den 09.12.2008, 09:30 -0500 schrieb Paul W. Frields: > > There are *NO* Fedora community members who should be taking heat for > anything to do with the intrusion report, other than myself. If > anyone has questions about forthcoming information, they should be > directed to me. Ok, here they are: Is the investigation finished or still ongoing? When will we get a (hopefully) final report? TIA Christoph From bochecha at fedoraproject.org Tue Dec 9 16:53:46 2008 From: bochecha at fedoraproject.org (Mathieu Bridon (bochecha)) Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2008 17:53:46 +0100 (CET) Subject: [Ambassadors] Fedora EMEA e.v. (was Re: What Fedora makes sucking ...) In-Reply-To: References: <20081209002540.GA25637@hurricane.linuxnetz.de> <1228822941.4444.18.camel@wicktop.localdomain> <1228828463.4444.55.camel@wicktop.localdomain> <493E73B7.90207@pingoured.fr> <1228836646.4444.109.camel@wicktop.localdomain> Message-ID: <41883.VwBUX1dRCno=.1228841626.squirrel@webmail.no-log.org> > The whole idea of "membership" is what is causing the problem here. > > Fedora EMEA e.V. is a "hack", albeit a perfectly legal one, that simply > makes it easier to move Fedora's resources from one part of the world to > another, with a minimum of headaches. > > If it's doing its job properly, people shouldn't even know that it > exists, and they shouldn't even care. > > Maybe the best thing to do is to figure out what the smallest > "membership" requirements are for the group to maintain its legal > status, and implement it that way in 2009. Or simply close membership. On EMEA web site, write something like "EMEA is only a 'hack' for moving resources, not an actual NPO, so we don't need members." As Pierre-Yves said, if there is a membership process, people will want to subscribe, as everyone see it as an easy way to contribute (and that's definitely what's happening in Fedora-FR). And if the fee is too high, they will complain (as we are doing right now :) If the fee is low, EMEA will have a lot of members, but it seems that it's not the goal. > ========== > > I cannot be more clear about this final point: The Fedora Project *does > not want money* from people who are already contributing their time and > effort. People already pay out of their own pocket sometimes to travel > to events. A "membership fee" for Fedora EMEA e.V. isn't something that > I care about at all. Speaking about our own example in France, the membership fee does help us asking for less money from the Fedora budget. This means that the excedent can go to other local communities who have less resources, or to organize more events, or... > I can't pay for all of Fedora's costs out of my own pocket, > and then wait to see which of those costs Red Hat is willing to > reimburse me for. Can't you ? ^_^ Regards, ---------- Mathieu Bridon (bochecha) French Fedora Ambassador ---------- "They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety." ~Benjamin Franklin From stickster at gmail.com Tue Dec 9 16:58:42 2008 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2008 11:58:42 -0500 Subject: [Ambassadors] Re: What Fedora makes sucking for me - or why I am NOT Fedora In-Reply-To: <1228840944.4444.146.camel@wicktop.localdomain> References: <20081209002540.GA25637@hurricane.linuxnetz.de> <39317.VwBUX1dRCno=.1228816270.squirrel@webmail.no-log.org> <20081209131541.GB15222@sphe.res.cmu.edu> <20081209143043.GB7415@localhost.localdomain> <1228840944.4444.146.camel@wicktop.localdomain> Message-ID: <20081209165842.GB17698@localhost.localdomain> On Tue, Dec 09, 2008 at 05:42:24PM +0100, Christoph Wickert wrote: > Am Dienstag, den 09.12.2008, 09:30 -0500 schrieb Paul W. Frields: > > > > > There are *NO* Fedora community members who should be taking heat for > > anything to do with the intrusion report, other than myself. 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So really I guess I should be thankful that wireless didn't work flawlessly for me that week. -jef From jsimon at fedoraproject.org Tue Dec 9 18:04:52 2008 From: jsimon at fedoraproject.org (JoergSimon) Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2008 19:04:52 +0100 Subject: [Ambassadors] Fedora Ambassadors Welcome Message-ID: <200812091904.52951.jsimon@fedoraproject.org> Dear Ambassadors, let?s welcome two new sponsored Ambassador Group Members: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Bamirthampr from India https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Anouar from Tetouan, Morocco Regards Joerg p.s. Please do not send private "Welcome" Messages to Ambassador List -- Joerg (kital) Simon jsimon at fedoraproject.org http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/JoergSimon http://kitall.blogspot.com Key Fingerprint: 3691 0989 2DCA 58A2 8D1F 2CAC C823 558E 5B5B 5688 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Please do not send private "Welcome" Messages to Ambassador List > -- > Joerg (kital) Simon > jsimon at fedoraproject.org > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/JoergSimon > http://kitall.blogspot.com > Key Fingerprint: > 3691 0989 2DCA 58A2 8D1F 2CAC C823 558E 5B5B 5688 > Once again, thank you for this precious work. (tell me if I'm sending you too much email, I don't want to abuse of your time and of your email box space). Regards Francesco Ugolini From gerold at lugd.org Tue Dec 9 22:21:52 2008 From: gerold at lugd.org (Gerold) Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2008 23:21:52 +0100 (CET) Subject: [Ambassadors] Re: What Fedora makes sucking for me - or why I am NOT Fedora Message-ID: <1215.91.32.106.49.1228861312.squirrel@www.gbc.net> > Good evening everybody, ^^ also a good evening Robert, many time is gone since we meet each other in person and had a fine conversation. But I'm glad that this will happen tomorrow and we'll have the possibility to talk together (above not Fedora related items) ... I personally would like to answer you and also the ML my thoughts about your topic regarding the NPO (after a long working day; misunderstooden mails between door and table in a training, personal issues and so on) ... So I hope it's OK for you if I delete all other stuff you mentioned because there are other people more responsible than me. > > Fedora EMEA e.V. also seems to be a mostly dead tree. Of course we have founded the association as legal vehicle. But it would be nice to see where > my money, my membership fee, the 128 Euro per year are spent to. I now could assume, that the money is just collected and nothing happens or some > guys of the board are buying and eating ice cream with, but I really hope > that's not true. ^^ To be honest, Robert; we're still active. We had conversation with several suppliers supporting Fedora and get a taxreductable receipt on the one hand; on the other hand we're working close to fairs getting more space, value and effort to our "presentation at a fair"; staying in contact with a Store who can be maybe an "official licenced Store for Europe" with supporting us with swag, producing for us and also supporting us with money ... Please don't say or write that we're dead; that's not fair. But as a member of the NPO you have ever the right and also the duty to ask, what the board is doing and WHAT you can do for YOUR association; instead of asking "What does the association for me" ;-) Be active in your role as member; WE need you! > Fedora EMEA e.V. really needs to communicate a bit more > to > its members what they're doing and how the money is handled. ^^ we'll do as it is written down in the statues; trust me! If YOU as a member are not satisfied with the answer the Treasurer gives you, come to me and we'll find a way to help you getting the information, you need! > Organisation > is lacking much transparency and about their activities. ^^ I'm sorry, that is my personal fault! After Linuxtag in May I had a lot of personal workload to move and rebuild a complete DataCenter for my business and I forgot to inform the members, what we're doing in the back. Hope you can accept my apologize. > AFAIK, a mailing > list for the members of Fedora EMEA e.V. was created, I think it never was > used yet. ^^ Can be correct; I don't know exactly; BUT as you are involved in the discussion we said, we want to be "upstream as upstram can" and want to use officialy ways ... > 128 Euro per year is IMHO too much for the current level of what seems to happen with the money. And for that money I could support the Free > Software Foundation Europe (FSFE) with multiple membership fees per year. ^^ Sorry that I can't accept that point of criticism. The membership meeting at the foundation voted for that amount and to be honest, either me nor the Board can change this amount. This is a legal part and must be changed by the yearly membership meeting. Hope you can understand that point of view. > And sorry, just one cool bathrobe isn't a good reason for spending 128 Euro > away per year. Without enough transparency and communication, it's like throwing the money out of the window of my room. ^^ I totally agree with you, saying such a sentence, because we as Board decided to produce such a exclusive bathrope ONLY for members of Fedora EMEA e.V. and you only get it once in your life; and it is not the only value you'll earn. Maybe you were part of the last FAD in Schloss Beuggen where I asked the Ambassadors attending that FAD to give me a little money that we can pay a train ticket for a Ambassador who was (or is still) student with no income that he'll get reimbursed. With your membership fee and mine and other members AND the support of Red Hat hopefully it is no longer necessary that a small group (who attend) help in such a situation because of all members will help whereever they can with their small support of EUR 120 / Year as a full membership fee (also you remeber, that we have a step down for students, military, families e.g.). And please one other thing to everybody (to whom it may concern): If something went wrong with the Fedora EMEA e.V. please use my E-Mail Adress and if you don't trust me, take another member of the NPO who elected myself as their President. Stop try blaming our work here in the mailing list, this is not the right and correct forum for the work the NPO did; also not the same forum for the french NPO (which is more silent than this one). Friendly yours and hope we're friends for a long time Gerold From mspevack at redhat.com Tue Dec 9 22:42:16 2008 From: mspevack at redhat.com (Max Spevack) Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2008 23:42:16 +0100 (CET) Subject: [Ambassadors] Re: What Fedora makes sucking for me - or why I am NOT Fedora In-Reply-To: <1215.91.32.106.49.1228861312.squirrel@www.gbc.net> References: <1215.91.32.106.49.1228861312.squirrel@www.gbc.net> Message-ID: Let's leave fedora-devel-list off this sub-thread for all future replies, since we're talking about the one item on Robert's list that isn't technical in nature, and leave it on fedora-ambassadors-list where it belongs. This should be the LAST email in this thread to include fedora-devel-list. Check your headers before you hit send! Thanks, Max From ujjwol at fedoraproject.org Wed Dec 10 02:18:53 2008 From: ujjwol at fedoraproject.org (Ujjwol Lamichhane) Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 08:03:53 +0545 Subject: [Ambassadors] What Fedora makes sucking for me - or why I am NOT Fedora In-Reply-To: <20081209002540.GA25637@hurricane.linuxnetz.de> References: <20081209002540.GA25637@hurricane.linuxnetz.de> Message-ID: <775aa32d0812091818g2270146dr5bc0922f29b407c2@mail.gmail.com> Oh, we've the Live CD for a long time now. Did anybody use that medium on a > slower, older computer? Surely not. Otherwise you would have noticed, that > the Live CD is very slow there. The USB stick/variant may be fast, but the > CD which we're now promoting at our download page better and more that the > installation DVD, is IMHO not a good store sign as it is just slow. It even > has not a localisation - folks, not the whole world is speaking english, > just there is America on the worldmap! I know people from fairs, which are > really frusted by their first try with a Live CD as it was just English. > Yes, we maybe can create a spin, but these ones, we cannot offer on the FTP > and HTTP mirrors, because Fedora is already too big. On the other hand, the > issue of a non-US keyboard layout when trying to generate a localized > version of the Live medium is still not fixed. There were some tries to > solve that on LinuxTag 2008, but as far as I know, afterwards nobody again > cared about and it went down. Remembering, that promoting our so cool Live > CDs does not help in areas where the Internet is slow and old, I'm doing > hereby, too. I don't want to remember, that the Fedora 8 Live media even > killed crypted swap partitions...really a nice feature. By the way, does it > do that still? > I completely agree with Robert in Live CD. 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This will definately > help promote Fedora all over India! > > thanks! > Akshay > > > On Sat, 06 Dec 2008 21:38:53 +0530, Santosh Jain > wrote: > > On Sat, Dec 6, 2008 at 7:03 AM, Francesco Ugolini < >> fugolini at fedoraproject.org> wrote: >> >> 2008/12/6 susmit shannigrahi : >>> > Hi all, >>> > >>> > A ton of thanks to Santosh[1] who has donated 100 DVD to fedora >>> freemedia >>> India. >>> > We were in talk for a few days, and I have received the shipment just >>> now. >>> > Santosh, your help will be most helpful for us. >>> > >>> > How they are spent will be updated on the wiki. >>> > For the time being, I have updated the donation page.[2] >>> > >>> > Thanks again. >>> > >>> > >>> > [1]https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/user:santosh >>> > [2]http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Distribution/FreeMedia/Donation >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > -- >>> > Regards, >>> > Susmit. >>> > >>> >>> I agree completely with you Susmit. >>> >>> A lot of thanks to Santosh from me too! >>> >>> Regards >>> >>> Francesco Ugolini >>> >> >> >> Thanks guys, Its just a small gesture of support to my community. I >> remember >> those days, when there used to be huge list of unattended requests from >> India and that list would ever increase. Susmit, i sincerely need to >> appreciate the way you've been handling things. Please keep me updated >> about >> the DVD's, so that i could replace them for the next time. >> >> >> Regards, >> Santosh >> > > > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From inode0 at gmail.com Wed Dec 10 04:56:42 2008 From: inode0 at gmail.com (inode0) Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2008 22:56:42 -0600 Subject: [Ambassadors] FAmNA Meeting Summary from 2008-12-10 Message-ID: * Announcements - Max Spevack's class for ambassadors was attended by inode0 who found it to be very worthwhile. The log of the class can be seen here https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Classroom/AmbassadorTipsandTraining Please attend a future session if you can. - lcafiero reports an F10 event at the Felton LUG, 15 live CDs went out the door and everyone got an F10 install demonstration. * FADNA More discussion of where to hold the next FADNA, feeling of participants was that we should choose between SCaLE soon if that is our choice. SELF is still a serious contender and has a lot to offer. lcafiero will touch base with Max Spevack to get some clarification about the future plans for FADNAs before a decision is made. * F10 Media Update - herlo reports proofs for the artwork were approved for F10 media. http://herlo.fedorapeople.org/files/f10-jacket.PDF http://herlo.fedorapeople.org/files/f10-media.pdf - Media should start showing up in around 10 days now. * Tasks [https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/NA/Tasks] - Ambassadors FedEx/UPS account: update delayed until next week. - Task added to cleanup wiki meeting minutes for the past couple of months - report on that work next week as well. * Open Floor - DemonJester reported about presentations he gave last week at the ITT Technical Institute in PA where he presented on how they can use Open Source and Fedora to build work portfolios and experience while going to school. Follow-ups are happening now with potential new contributors. I would again like to thank all the participants, especially the new ambassadors joining us for the first time tonight. From inode0 at gmail.com Wed Dec 10 04:57:50 2008 From: inode0 at gmail.com (inode0) Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2008 22:57:50 -0600 Subject: [Ambassadors] FAmNA Meeting Minutes from 2008-12-10 Message-ID: (08:00:26 PM) inode0: FAmNA meeting time (08:00:30 PM) inode0: Roll Call (08:01:46 PM) ***lcafiero is playing the role of Larry Cafiero (08:01:56 PM) DemonJester: .fas bpowell01 (08:01:57 PM) zodbot: DemonJester: bpowell01 'Brian Powell' (08:02:42 PM) ***lcafiero give a sideward glance and mutters, "showoff" :-) (08:03:03 PM) DemonJester: :P (08:03:14 PM) ***inode0 notes that doing that is very helpful for creating the attendee list (08:03:25 PM) lcafiero: .fas lcafiero (08:03:26 PM) zodbot: lcafiero: lcafiero 'Larry Cafiero' (08:03:45 PM) ***inode0 also notes it opens you up to spam :) (08:03:47 PM) lcafiero: there (08:04:07 PM) DemonJester: yeah I noticed that.. (08:04:19 PM) lcafiero: Just us three? (08:04:31 PM) inode0: ok, let's begin - we can assign a lot of tasks tonight I think (08:04:34 PM) DemonJester: 15 minute meeting! spevack spot spstarr_work (08:04:49 PM) lcafiero: +1 (08:05:18 PM) inode0: My only announcement is that I attended spevack's class for ambassadors and thought it was really valuable - points others to times it will be repeated. (08:05:34 PM) DemonJester: was it logged? (08:06:07 PM) inode0: I imagine so but since I was there I guess I don't know - they post logs of all classes don't they? (08:06:20 PM) DemonJester: I hope so.. (08:06:46 PM) inode0: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Classroom/AmbassadorTipsandTraining (08:06:56 PM) lcafiero: thanks, inode. (08:07:09 PM) DemonJester: thanks! (08:07:42 PM) inode0: 1st agenda item tonight is FADNA (08:07:57 PM) lcafiero: Announcement: We had an F10 event at the Felton LUG monthly installfest in Felton, Calif., on Saturday. I gave out about 15 Live CDs and got to install it in front of everyone. (08:08:07 PM) lcafiero: It went very well. (08:08:11 PM) lcafiero: Sorry inode0 (08:08:15 PM) inode0: np (08:08:31 PM) inode0: herlo had a party too as reported in his blog (08:08:45 PM) DemonJester: mine is this coming saturday (08:09:14 PM) inode0: mine is being delayed likely until students come back in January (08:09:49 PM) inode0: alright, I'd like to get some idea of what to do with FADNA (08:10:19 PM) inode0: I don't think a group of us will ever agree completely in the abstract about where and when to do it (08:10:28 PM) DemonJester: agrees (08:10:29 PM) lcafiero: True. (08:10:50 PM) inode0: so I think someone needs to latch onto it and make it happen somewhere (08:10:53 PM) lcafiero: But I think we can agree, or discuss, that we should hold FADNA in conjunction with another event, rather than having it as a stand alone, no? (08:11:23 PM) inode0: we have discussed it several times, some people think yes and others think no (08:11:39 PM) lcafiero: Yeah, I know, but we should probably nail that down, no? (08:11:46 PM) inode0: I'm happy to discuss it further, I think the three of us say yes?! (08:12:00 PM) ***lcafiero has been swayed to the holding-it-in-conjunction caucus (08:12:04 PM) DemonJester: I am a yes to hold it with other events (08:12:06 PM) lcafiero: Yes. (08:12:19 PM) lcafiero: Then it's unanimous! :-) (08:12:24 PM) DemonJester: lol (08:12:31 PM) DemonJester: next item.... (08:12:32 PM) lcafiero: SCaLE is Feb. 20-22 (08:12:51 PM) inode0: SELF is June 13 (08:13:13 PM) inode0: those seem to be the two candidate events (08:13:14 PM) lcafiero: It'll be tight, but I think holding it with SCaLE would be good. (08:13:39 PM) lcafiero: Choices are L.A. or SELF is in Charleston? (08:13:46 PM) lcafiero: Do you know, inode0? (08:13:47 PM) inode0: can we get free facilities at SCaLE? (08:13:58 PM) inode0: SELF is in Clemson (08:14:13 PM) lcafiero: I'm looking into that. Trading e-mails with organizers on a few different issues. (08:14:17 PM) ***lcafiero may present a paper there. (08:14:38 PM) lcafiero: But I can have more answers by next week. (08:14:54 PM) inode0: what do you perceive the advantages of SCaLE to be aside from it being over there? (08:15:34 PM) DemonJester: A ton of attendees.. At least from what I have heard about the event (08:15:37 PM) lcafiero: It's near me . . . relatively speaking. :-) But other than this it is a growing gathering, probably the biggest Linux event next to LinuxWorld in California (08:15:48 PM) ***inode0 is not disagreeing about being "over there" as an advantage (08:16:07 PM) lcafiero: One caveat is that they're holding it in the same hotel as last year, and last year people were flowing out of the conference rooms since it was so well attended (08:16:16 PM) inode0: Isn't it similar in size to OLF? (08:16:30 PM) lcafiero: I don't know how big OLF is, but I would gather it is. (08:16:35 PM) inode0: about 1000 (08:16:52 PM) lcafiero: That sounds like SCaLE numbers. (08:16:57 PM) lcafiero: Where was OLF held? (08:17:04 PM) inode0: Columbus, OH (08:17:11 PM) lcafiero: An auditorium? Hotel? Stadium? (08:18:00 PM) lcafiero: Yeah, this is in a Westin, which is a -1 for location. (08:18:14 PM) inode0: Advantages I see for SELF are: (08:18:16 PM) lcafiero: It's usually packed, and they need to consider holding it in a larger venue. (08:18:29 PM) inode0: (1) Free facilities for our use (08:18:47 PM) inode0: (2) Cheap housing made available to us by the university (08:19:09 PM) inode0: (3) Supporting a brand new regional community conference (08:19:11 PM) DemonJester: dorms?? (08:19:23 PM) inode0: more like student apartments I think (08:19:29 PM) DemonJester: wow! (08:19:42 PM) inode0: cost is something like $25/night (08:19:50 PM) inode0: can be a little more or less (08:20:10 PM) lcafiero: That definitely would outdo anything I can get in L.A., price wise. (08:20:17 PM) lcafiero: Without taking hostages, that is. (08:20:22 PM) inode0: Disadvantages: (08:20:38 PM) inode0: (1) Clemson is a pretty clumsy location to get to for those flying (08:21:00 PM) inode0: (2) June 13 is likely within 3 weeks of FUDcon (08:22:18 PM) inode0: It would be nice to have some idea of whether we can get some funding this year for this event (wasn't clear to me where it falls exactly) (08:22:50 PM) DemonJester: we need that clarified first in my opinion (08:22:58 PM) lcafiero: Wouldn't funding for SELF be in the next quarter? (08:23:01 PM) inode0: if we could even help 2 people get across the country either way that would be nice to know (08:23:11 PM) lcafiero: as opposed to funding for SCaLE which would be this quarter? (08:23:28 PM) inode0: good point (08:23:35 PM) lcafiero: I would be glad to keep looking into SCaLE if someone wants to take the ball on SELF (08:23:47 PM) lcafiero: ke4qqq, white courtesy phone (08:23:56 PM) inode0: spevack in the town hall mentioned working on something that might affect this as well (08:24:25 PM) lcafiero: That's right. I have to talk to him about something else, so should I also bring this up?> (08:25:16 PM) inode0: yes please - nail down if you can what he is trying to arrange for FADNA and any suggestions he might have for how we should proceed with planning one for the 1st half of 2009 ke4qqq kennyp (08:25:41 PM) lcafiero: Aye sir. (08:25:49 PM) inode0: I've done work with SELF as has ke4qqq and we have the door open (08:26:16 PM) lcafiero: Other than the location, it looks like SELF has advantages (08:26:21 PM) lcafiero: over SCaLE (08:26:24 PM) inode0: we can do something other than FADNA there though, it doesn't have to be FADNA (08:26:57 PM) inode0: but if we decide to go with SCaLE we really need to make that decision soon (08:27:30 PM) lcafiero: True. (08:27:41 PM) inode0: I'll schedule this for next week again on the agenda, let's see what Max is doing and how that affects our thinking?! (08:27:47 PM) lcafiero: +1 (08:27:58 PM) DemonJester: +1 (08:28:14 PM) inode0: next agenda item ... (08:28:27 PM) inode0: Media Update (hopefully) (08:28:51 PM) inode0: not sensing herlo's presence I think we lose (08:29:10 PM) DemonJester: moving on? (08:29:13 PM) inode0: he did mention elsewhere that artwork was approved (08:29:18 PM) inode0: that is all I think I know (08:29:41 PM) lcafiero: I remember that he did, but that's all I know. (08:29:41 PM) inode0: the only task list item was also herlo (08:29:59 PM) inode0: so we'll let that slide (08:30:29 PM) inode0: that was about distribution of media and a possible fedex/ups account for our use (08:30:48 PM) inode0: Open floor? (08:31:01 PM) inode0: Anything else you'd like to talk about? (08:31:07 PM) DemonJester: ! (08:31:09 PM) lcafiero: On the issue of media, I've been rolling my own. (08:31:17 PM) ***lcafiero yields to DemonJester (08:31:46 PM) DemonJester: The presentations I held on Monday went very well, I have quite a few peeps interested in joining Fedora. (08:32:14 PM) inode0: Where did you speak and about what? (08:32:24 PM) DemonJester: 5 have emailed me since yesterday requesting more info. (08:32:56 PM) inode0: them taking the initiative to follow-up is very encouraging (08:33:00 PM) DemonJester: at ITT Technical Institute in PA, Spoke about how they can use Open Source and Fedora to build work portfolios and experience while going to school (08:33:26 PM) DemonJester: by contributing in some fashion or another (08:34:13 PM) DemonJester: thats all I have, I just need to follow up with each of them now :) (08:34:37 PM) lcafiero: Great DemonJester (08:35:07 PM) inode0: alright, shall we set the world record? (08:35:18 PM) DemonJester: countdown on! (08:35:20 PM) inode0: 5 (08:35:23 PM) inode0: 4 (08:35:24 PM) herlo: sorry, I forgot (08:35:29 PM) DemonJester: lol (08:35:30 PM) herlo: Im here (08:35:32 PM) lcafiero: wait, I . . . (08:35:34 PM) lcafiero: never mind (08:35:47 PM) inode0: ok, we return to herlo's media update now :) (08:35:47 PM) ***lcafiero lost a step against herlo (08:36:01 PM) herlo: give 2 mins and i will b home (08:36:20 PM) lcafiero: So much for the record (08:36:32 PM) DemonJester: either of you running ati vid cards with f10? (08:36:46 PM) ***lcafiero wonders if herlo is texting and driving . . . ? (08:36:57 PM) lcafiero: Not me, DemonJester (08:37:15 PM) DemonJester: inode0: ^^^^ (08:37:18 PM) herlo: nope (08:37:35 PM) herlo: irc & driving (08:37:44 PM) lcafiero: That's a dangerous combo (08:37:45 PM) herlo: at lights (08:37:50 PM) herlo: only (08:37:59 PM) lcafiero: SuuuuUUUuuuuuure (08:38:08 PM) DemonJester: lol (08:38:17 PM) inode0: well, drive faster before ke4qqq shows up too (08:38:57 PM) DemonJester: I am out at 10, still need to get some stuff done for work tomorrow. (08:39:24 PM) inode0: you can always check the log later, I'm really going to try to not be a week late posting them (08:41:01 PM) inode0: reminder to everyone to vote if you want to :) (08:41:12 PM) inode0: and if you haven't already :) (08:41:15 PM) lcafiero: Vote for me (08:41:41 PM) lcafiero: Actually, as ke4qqq mentioned, all the candidates are good for FAmSCo (08:41:51 PM) ianweller: are we doin a meeting? (08:42:03 PM) herlo: sorry (08:42:05 PM) herlo: I'm here (08:42:05 PM) herlo: now (08:42:11 PM) lcafiero: We are now. (08:42:11 PM) inode0: go herlo! (08:42:13 PM) lcafiero: :-) (08:42:16 PM) herlo: okay, so here's the update on the media (08:42:33 PM) herlo: we got proofs back yesterday, they look great, I'll upload them right now for everyone to see (08:42:51 PM) herlo: Max approved them same day (08:43:01 PM) herlo: media should be delivered within 10 days at most (08:43:26 PM) inode0: F10 for the holidays (08:43:39 PM) herlo: yahoo! (08:43:53 PM) lcafiero: Will look good under the tree . . . (08:43:57 PM) herlo: I also asked Max about the budget for media, haven't heard back a reply (08:44:08 PM) inode0: update on fedex/ups account matter? (08:44:11 PM) herlo: and about a FedEx/UPS account, no reply either (08:44:13 PM) herlo: :) (08:44:31 PM) inode0: alrighty, thanks herlo (08:44:47 PM) lcafiero: I've been making my own, and Cabrillo College has been doing the same, but we'd welcome CDs (08:44:51 PM) lcafiero: and DVDs (08:44:53 PM) inode0: did you have anything else to discuss? (08:45:31 PM) herlo: yes, I was going to show you all the media covers, but they should look pretty familiar (08:45:56 PM) ***herlo waits for his fp.o page to load (08:46:04 PM) herlo: http://herlo.fedorapeople.org/files/f10-jacket.PDF (08:46:11 PM) herlo: http://herlo.fedorapeople.org/files/f10-media.pdf (08:46:49 PM) ***herlo is madly getting his stuff done, it's been a crazy night (08:46:51 PM) herlo: sorry guys (08:47:07 PM) DemonJester: they look good! (08:47:11 PM) herlo: okay, inode0 I'm done now (08:47:16 PM) herlo: unless anyone has questions (08:47:25 PM) inode0: those look fabulous (08:47:27 PM) herlo: lcafiero: I really wasn't driving and texting (08:47:34 PM) herlo: :) I'm happy about them too. (08:47:36 PM) lcafiero: herlo: I gathered (08:47:54 PM) herlo: DemonJester: sorry about the lateness, but Dec 13 seems to be out of the question (08:47:58 PM) lcafiero: media covers are great, herlo -- +10 (08:47:59 PM) inode0: ok, I'll move back the report on the new task to next week (08:48:16 PM) herlo: inode0: hopefully, I'll have good news :) (08:48:16 PM) DemonJester: herlo: nw, I will make due :) (08:48:25 PM) herlo: I know, but I was hoping (08:48:30 PM) herlo: still, the quality seems great so far (08:48:44 PM) herlo: and the folks over at the media place are great (08:49:29 PM) inode0: ok, let's head back to our home IRC channel for anything else (08:49:35 PM) inode0: thanks for coming everyone (08:49:36 PM) herlo: k, I'm out then, have a good night (08:49:38 PM) inode0: 5 (08:49:39 PM) inode0: 4 (08:49:40 PM) inode0: 3 (08:49:41 PM) inode0: 2 (08:49:42 PM) inode0: 1 (08:49:44 PM) inode0: EOF From mip1983 at yahoo.com Wed Dec 10 08:12:32 2008 From: mip1983 at yahoo.com (mir ip) Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 00:12:32 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Ambassadors] F10 Kyrgyzstan release report. Message-ID: <756250.52270.qm@web36302.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi, So Fedora 10 released in Kyrgyzstan with grate success. Release report and some photos are available in http://kyrdev.blogspot.com/ . Best Regards, Mirlan Ipasov(gantu) Fedora Kyrgyzstan Ambassador? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From felix at fetzig.org Wed Dec 10 08:45:44 2008 From: felix at fetzig.org (Felix Kaechele) Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 09:45:44 +0100 Subject: [Ambassadors] F10 Kyrgyzstan release report. In-Reply-To: <756250.52270.qm@web36302.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <756250.52270.qm@web36302.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <493F81B8.8030702@fetzig.org> mir ip schrieb: > Hi, > So Fedora 10 released in Kyrgyzstan with grate success. Wow. Looks like you really bring forward Fedora and Open Source in Kyrgyzstan. 100-200 attendees is a great number for a release event! Congratulations on this great event! Felix From jsimon at fedoraproject.org Wed Dec 10 09:03:12 2008 From: jsimon at fedoraproject.org (JoergSimon) Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 10:03:12 +0100 Subject: [Ambassadors] F10 Kyrgyzstan release report. In-Reply-To: <756250.52270.qm@web36302.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <756250.52270.qm@web36302.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <200812101003.16573.jsimon@fedoraproject.org> Am Mittwoch, 10. Dezember 2008 09:12:32 schrieb mir ip: > Hi, > So Fedora 10 released in Kyrgyzstan with grate success. Release report and > some photos are available in http://kyrdev.blogspot.com/ Awesome! You have done it from nothing! You have all my Respect! cu Joerg -- Joerg (kital) Simon jsimon at fedoraproject.org http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/JoergSimon http://kitall.blogspot.com Key Fingerprint: 3691 0989 2DCA 58A2 8D1F 2CAC C823 558E 5B5B 5688 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Regards, Nigel Jones ----- Forwarded Message ----- From: "Nigel Jones" To: fedora-announce-list at redhat.com, fedora-devel-announce at redhat.com, fedora-advisory-board at redhat.com, fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com, fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com Sent: Sunday, December 7, 2008 10:06:46 AM GMT +10:00 Brisbane Subject: Fedora Elections - Important Information Hi Everyone, The elections for the Fedora Board, Fedora Engineering Steering Committee (FESCo) and the Fedora Ambassadors Steering Committee (FAmSCo) are now live (as of 0000 UTC on 7th December 2008) and will run until 2359 UTC on 20th December 2008. All groups have chosen to use the Range Voting method (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Range_voting). Ballots may be cast on the Fedora Elections System at https://admin.fedoraproject.org/voting. If this is the first time you've used the voting system, please refer to the Fedora Elections Guide, currently located at http://nigelj.fedorapeople.org/feg/. Fedora Board Election: ---------------------- This election, the Fedora Board is electing two candidates and will appoint another two members. Vacating the seats on the board this election are Matt Domsch, Jef Spaleta, Bill Nottingham and Karsten Wade. Christopher Aillon was announced as the board's first appointee with the second to be decided after the election. The candidates for this election, in no particular order are: Matt Domsch (mdomsch) Dimitris Glezos (glezos) Michael DeHaan (mpdehaan) Josh Boyer (jwb) David Cantrell (dcantrell) Jon Stanley (jds2001) Bill Nottingham (notting) To vote, you must have a signed Contributor License Agreement (CLA). Vote Here: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/voting/about/boardf11 Townhall Logs: * http://mdomsch.fedorapeople.org/fedora-townhalls/2008-12-04-Board/fedora-townhall.2008-12-04.log.html * http://mdomsch.fedorapeople.org/fedora-townhalls/2008-12-05-Board/fedora-townhall.2008-12-05.log.html Fedora Engineering Steering Committee Election: ----------------------------------------------- For this election, FESCo will be electing four candidates to sit on the committee. Vacating the seats on FESCo this election are Jarod Wilson, Josh Boyer, Karsten Hopp, and Jon Stanley. The candidates for this election, in no particular order are: Josh Boyer (jwb) Dan Hor?k (sharkcz) Dominik Mierzejewski (rathann) Jon Stanley (jds2001) Jarod Wilson (jwilson) To vote, you must have a signed Contributor License Agreement (CLA) and be a member of any other group. 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Vote Here: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/voting/about/famscof11 Townhall Log: * http://mdomsch.fedorapeople.org/fedora-townhalls/2008-12-06-FAMSCo/fedora-townhall.2008-12-06.log.html *** I'd also like to point out the following from Paul Frields' announcement for the June 2008 Board Election: "I'd like everyone voting to remember that this isn't a popularity contest, or a reward system. Think about how you'd like to Board to look when you vote, the same way you think about how you'd like any government body to look when you cast votes for their elections. We have a lot of worthy candidates on this list, and you should pick the ones that you feel will best represent you in advancing the Fedora Project. This is one of numerous ways in which our community makes decisions about the leadership of Fedora. Your vote counts, and I hope you take advantage of it." *** This advice is still valid, not just for the Fedora Board election but for all three elections. Regards, Nigel Jones Fedora Election Admin -- fedora-announce-list mailing list fedora-announce-list at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-announce-list From kanarip at kanarip.com Tue Dec 9 11:29:18 2008 From: kanarip at kanarip.com (Jeroen van Meeuwen) Date: Tue, 09 Dec 2008 12:29:18 +0100 Subject: [Ambassadors] Live CD & Localization (was: What Fedora makes sucking for me - or why I am NOT Fedora) In-Reply-To: <20081209002540.GA25637@hurricane.linuxnetz.de> References: <20081209002540.GA25637@hurricane.linuxnetz.de> Message-ID: <493E568E.3090404@kanarip.com> Robert Scheck wrote: > Oh, we've the Live CD for a long time now. Did anybody use that medium on a > slower, older computer? Surely not. Otherwise you would have noticed, that > the Live CD is very slow there. The USB stick/variant may be fast, but the > CD which we're now promoting at our download page better and more that the > installation DVD, is IMHO not a good store sign as it is just slow. It even > has not a localisation - folks, not the whole world is speaking english, > just there is America on the worldmap! I know people from fairs, which are > really frusted by their first try with a Live CD as it was just English. > Yes, we maybe can create a spin, but these ones, we cannot offer on the FTP > and HTTP mirrors, because Fedora is already too big. On the other hand, the > issue of a non-US keyboard layout when trying to generate a localized > version of the Live medium is still not fixed. There were some tries to > solve that on LinuxTag 2008, but as far as I know, afterwards nobody again > cared about and it went down. > As the Spin SIG leader, I feel this is my piece of the pie. As far as the localization of Live CDs and DVDs is concerned, I cannot but wholeheartedly agree; The Live media is supposed to be the perfect show-case of whatever Fedora can do or KDE 4.X foo brings. If that's in English by default, that's fine, I'm not saying we should include kde-l10n-* on a LiveCD because that simply won't fit. However, if that supposedly perfect show-case can be in German, Dutch, Swahili or you-name-the-language, the better. Localization is one of the selling points of Linux in general (because you get a lot of it for no mentionable effort -other then selecting your locale and browsing through the giant list of available locales), and it's one of the selling points of Fedora specifically (transifex, upstream, you know the story). And that's besides the difficulty or annoyance people sometimes experience when that supposedly perfect show-case is not in their favorite language. In an effort to make these localized LiveCDs maintainable, I've accepted every contributor that wanted to create localized extensions of each spin concept. I know that Fabian Affolter and Igor Pieres Soares have done a good job at creating and maintaining their locales, and I ship them in the spin-kickstarts package for everyone to use. Of course, that's only one small piece of the pie. We would love to create the spins on Fedora Infrastructure, or outside of Fedora Infrastructure (but that introduces verifiability constraints we're unable to get past yet) and have them promoted and distributed by the Fedora Project. However, that only stretches so far. There's a limited amount of Release Engineering the Fedora Project can do -being Jesse Keating, especially around Fedora N GA. In addition, there's a limited amount of QA the Fedora Project can do, and since it would be the Fedora Project composing, promoting and distributing such localized spin, it better be a good one. Instead of thinking in terms of problems though, I like to think in terms of (potential) solutions. One of the solutions I suggested is that outside of Release Engineering, the localized spins can be created by peers (possibly Spin SIG members, possibly localized Spin maintainers) -to offload Release Engineering. It's a standard, pretty straight-forward process. As for the promotion part... Well that's not really a problem, is it? It just depends on the composing and distribution parts. Then in terms of distribution, which is another challenge for the Fedora Project, I've suggested we let the seeds for a torrent be the responsibility of the Spin maintainers. In practice, that responsibility boils down to: No Seeds, No Spin. The Fedora Project however would still host the torrent tracker so they have control over revocation and/or modification of the spin/torrent. Since then, the discussion has come to a halt. I guess we were involved with other stuff, we didn't see much localization happening yet (as far as the kickstart repo is concerned, that is), and we lost interest in pursuing it for Fedora 10. I hope this brings some perspective to the issue of localized live media, and I certainly hope this starts up a new discussion around including localized versions of spins, one way or the other, in F11. Kind regards, Jeroen van Meeuwen -kanarip From ayush.hakmn at gmail.com Wed Dec 10 11:16:40 2008 From: ayush.hakmn at gmail.com (Ayush Maheshwari) Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 16:46:40 +0530 Subject: [Ambassadors] F10 usage problems Message-ID: <9c21d6480812100316n7092044cv92b0b27433960e5c@mail.gmail.com> hi all, I've installed F10 on my desktop.When i used to use F8 or F9 i login with "root" account but since i've installed, it denies me as an root user(although, password is correct) but when i login with other account it grants me the permission. I'd like to login as a privileged user ,please help me to make it happen? Another problem i am encountering is that Mozilla Firefox 3.0.4 is not displaying the progress bar. Ayush Maheshwari, hakmn at fedoraproject.org hakmn.blogspot.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kanarip at kanarip.com Wed Dec 10 11:39:53 2008 From: kanarip at kanarip.com (Jeroen van Meeuwen) Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 12:39:53 +0100 Subject: [Ambassadors] Fedora EMEA e.v. (was Re: What Fedora makes sucking ...) In-Reply-To: References: <20081209002540.GA25637@hurricane.linuxnetz.de> <1228822941.4444.18.camel@wicktop.localdomain> <1228828463.4444.55.camel@wicktop.localdomain> Message-ID: <493FAA89.90904@kanarip.com> Max Spevack wrote: > On Tue, 9 Dec 2008, Christoph Wickert wrote: > >> Correction: I AM NOT member of EMEA e.V., I refuse to become member >> due to the fact that the current membership fee excludes people who >> would like to get involved. > > Here's the interesting thing: In order to fulfill its mission, Fedora > EMEA e.V. doesn't need any "members". What is important is having > members of the Fedora Project. > > The non-profit is simply a safe, trusted place where resources can be > held in escrow. > > Am I wrong? > This is exactly what we envisioned for Fedora EMEA to be, and this is exactly what it is. As we've said before, it's not to become the largest sub-set of Fedora Project Contributors, and we don't want the money coming from Fedora Project Contributors. In fact, it's completely vice-versa. We want the Fedora EMEA money to end up with the Fedora Project Contributors. We've also said before that Fedora EMEA is not the decisive organ in where money gets spend and where it doesn't. FAmSCo makes up the budget per-event. -Jeroen From kanarip at kanarip.com Wed Dec 10 11:57:15 2008 From: kanarip at kanarip.com (Jeroen van Meeuwen) Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 12:57:15 +0100 Subject: [Ambassadors] Fedora EMEA e.v. (was Re: What Fedora makes sucking ...) In-Reply-To: <493E7165.7000001@fetzig.org> References: <20081209002540.GA25637@hurricane.linuxnetz.de> <1228822941.4444.18.camel@wicktop.localdomain> <1228828463.4444.55.camel@wicktop.localdomain> <493E7165.7000001@fetzig.org> Message-ID: <493FAE9B.40409@kanarip.com> Felix Kaechele wrote: > Max Spevack schrieb: >> Here's the interesting thing: In order to fulfill its mission, Fedora >> EMEA e.V. doesn't need any "members". What is important is having >> members of the Fedora Project. > > So membership is all about the bathrobes? :D > Becoming a member of the Fedora EMEA NPO puts you in a position where you need to set aside your own personal opinion, and listen to decisive bodies within the Fedora Project. Those Fedora Project bodies are elected from within the *entire* Fedora Project contributor community, and thus follow the principles of democracy and Fedora Project's governance model, whereas the board of the Fedora EMEA NPO is elected from within a small sub-set of Fedora Project contributors, by a small sub-set of Fedora Project contributors. And with a "small sub-set", I mean the Fedora EMEA NPO members, who are a small sub-set of the Fedora Project contributors. No matter how large that sub-set may become, it will always remain a sub-set, as we cannot and will not make membership mandatory in any way. Kind regards, Jeroen van Meeuwen -kanarip From nayyares at gmail.com Wed Dec 10 11:59:29 2008 From: nayyares at gmail.com (Nayyar Ahmad) Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 13:59:29 +0200 Subject: [Ambassadors] F10 usage problems In-Reply-To: <9c21d6480812100316n7092044cv92b0b27433960e5c@mail.gmail.com> References: <9c21d6480812100316n7092044cv92b0b27433960e5c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <8e1ee2a30812100359r118b0e6aq5f3bf7db480c530f@mail.gmail.com> Hi Ayush, Wrong place to ask such questions, try to post at http://fedoraforum.org/ or freenode's #fedora. thanks On 12/10/08, Ayush Maheshwari wrote: > hi all, > I've installed F10 on my desktop.When i used to use F8 or F9 i login with > "root" account but since i've installed, it denies me as an root > user(although, password is correct) but when i login with other account it > grants me the permission. > I'd like to login as a privileged user ,please help me to make it happen? > Another problem i am encountering is that Mozilla Firefox 3.0.4 is not > displaying the progress bar. > > Ayush Maheshwari, > hakmn at fedoraproject.org > hakmn.blogspot.com > -- Nayyar Ahmad RHCE (ID:804006858622745) Skype: nayyares Blog: nayyares.blogspot.com From kanarip at kanarip.com Wed Dec 10 12:09:34 2008 From: kanarip at kanarip.com (Jeroen van Meeuwen) Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 13:09:34 +0100 Subject: [Ambassadors] Fedora EMEA e.v. (was Re: What Fedora makes sucking ...) In-Reply-To: <493E73B7.90207@pingoured.fr> References: <20081209002540.GA25637@hurricane.linuxnetz.de> <1228822941.4444.18.camel@wicktop.localdomain> <1228828463.4444.55.camel@wicktop.localdomain> <493E73B7.90207@pingoured.fr> Message-ID: <493FB17E.5060809@kanarip.com> Pierre-Yves wrote: > Max Spevack wrote: >> On Tue, 9 Dec 2008, Christoph Wickert wrote: >> >>> Correction: I AM NOT member of EMEA e.V., I refuse to become member >>> due to the fact that the current membership fee excludes people who >>> would like to get involved. >> >> Here's the interesting thing: In order to fulfill its mission, Fedora >> EMEA e.V. doesn't need any "members". What is important is having >> members of the Fedora Project. >> >> The non-profit is simply a safe, trusted place where resources can be >> held in escrow. >> >> Am I wrong? > > Here is the big misunderstanding about the EMEA NPO. > Speaking from Fedora-fr we created the NPO in order to have members and > some funds at a time when RH was not supporting us in the way it is now. > > Fedora EMEA's main goal is not to have members but it was created to > have a legal platform in EMEA that could centralized the money from RH > and handle the budget for the europen events. > The problem comes from the fact that people *want* to be member of the > NPO. They want to support their distro by giving some funds. If the fees > were lower sure I would be member, but as I said Fedora EMEA is not > about having members rather than a legal entity that can handle RH money > for EMEA. > > Fedora EMEA is not about having members, but what if I want to support > Fedora but can't afford 128? ? You donate to Fedora EMEA whatever you want to donate. Even if it's 0,10? but of course the fees for transferring smaller amounts of money could exceed the donation itself. In the end, Fedora EMEA will spend the money where the Fedora Project sees fit, decisive bodies being the Fedora Board and FAmSCo. > Fedora-Fr handled this problem by seting different fees for different > categories: normal, student or company. Every one can thus be member but > not for the same amount. > > Actually I do not remember why EMEA should not have member ? Let me refer you to the previous thread: https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-ambassadors-list/2008-May/msg00047.html and https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-ambassadors-list/2008-May/msg00067.html And, in the interest of full disclosure, here's how it went down for 2008: https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-ambassadors-list/2008-May/msg00068.html > If the fees are 10? that nothing compared to the EMEA budget, but if > there are 10 people giving 10? that's make 100? more that can be > invested into an event. > Again, feel free to donate whatever money you would like to donate. It can be as small as 0,10?, or as large as ... well there's no real maximum. Kind regards, Jeroen van Meeuwen -kanarip From kanarip at kanarip.com Wed Dec 10 12:14:20 2008 From: kanarip at kanarip.com (Jeroen van Meeuwen) Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 13:14:20 +0100 Subject: [Ambassadors] Fedora EMEA (was: What Fedora makes sucking for me - or why I am NOT Fedora) In-Reply-To: <20081209002540.GA25637@hurricane.linuxnetz.de> References: <20081209002540.GA25637@hurricane.linuxnetz.de> Message-ID: <493FB29C.2030709@kanarip.com> Robert Scheck wrote: > I now > could assume, that the money is just collected and nothing happens or some > guys of the board are buying and eating ice cream with, but I really hope > that's not true. > I deeply resent the suggestion anyone in the Fedora EMEA Board is spending any EMEA money on themselves. In fact, I would like you to apologize for merely bringing up the suggestion. Personally, I've spent a fair amount of money (maybe more then anyone else) getting where I need to be and doing what I need to do. That is also the reason why I deeply resent your suggestion. Kind regards, Jeroen van Meeuwen -kanarip From kanarip at kanarip.com Wed Dec 10 12:15:41 2008 From: kanarip at kanarip.com (Jeroen van Meeuwen) Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 13:15:41 +0100 Subject: [Ambassadors] Fedora EMEA e.v. (was Re: What Fedora makes sucking ...) In-Reply-To: <493E7B14.6070705@fetzig.org> References: <20081209002540.GA25637@hurricane.linuxnetz.de> <1228822941.4444.18.camel@wicktop.localdomain> <1228828463.4444.55.camel@wicktop.localdomain> <20081209132712.GA4954@hurricane.linuxnetz.de> <493E7B14.6070705@fetzig.org> Message-ID: <493FB2ED.1020802@kanarip.com> Felix Kaechele wrote: > Max Spevack schrieb: >> On Tue, 9 Dec 2008, Robert Scheck wrote: >>> Maybe the 128 Euro per year are the real issue. Maybe we should reduce >>> to e.g. 12 Euro per year or similar, that people like me don't care >>> about what happens with the (my) money. >> That would be fine with me. To be honest, I don't remember what the >> original rationale was for setting the membership fee at 128. > > Quoting Max Spevack from > https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-ambassadors-list/2008-May/msg00051.html > > According to Gerold there were two reasons for the 128 EUR: > a) "we are binary people" and 128 EUR equals 2*2*2*2*2*2*2. > b) "we are having the same fee in my local LUG, too" > Honestly I don't think that any of these sounds convincing. Maybe there > are better reasons, but this is what Gerold told me on the phone. > If you feel like quoting, make sure you read my messages from the same thread. Kind regards, Jeroen van Meeuwen -kanarip From mspevack at redhat.com Wed Dec 10 12:33:31 2008 From: mspevack at redhat.com (Max Spevack) Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 13:33:31 +0100 (CET) Subject: [Ambassadors] emea thoughts Message-ID: All of the bitterness around the Fedora EMEA non-profit is really causing me a lot of sadness. I want all of you to stop for a moment and think about the series of events that have gotten us to where we are today: (1) The Fedora community in Europe -- guys like Gerold, Sandro, Robert, Christoph, Jeroen, Joerg, Pawel, Dimitris, etc. etc. (I'm sorry if I left your name out) established itself as the most proactive & resourceful regional community that we had in Fedora. (2) Recognizing the need to increase that support, we (temporarily) relocated me to Europe so that we could ensure that there was an even stronger connection between our EMEA community leaders and Red Hat, and so that when I eventually move back to the US, the personal connections that we all formed back at FOSDEM in 2007 and LinuxTag 2007 have carried through from a year of us seeing each other at smaller events, spending FAD together, starting a process by which we have a FUDCon in EMEA each year, etc. When I head back to the US, it is *critically important* to me that the community in EMEA will continue to thrive. I believe that the non-profit is an important piece of this, because it will make the local creation and distribution of materials and swag an easier process than it was in the past. (3) The non-profit, I repeat again, is a LEGAL TOOL that helps make it easier for Red Hat to spend money for Fedora in Europe. Can we all at least agree that these three things are true, and that our collective goal is to continue to strengthen our community in the region, as well as the personal relationships that we have all formed? ============ I am convinced that as soon as possible, the non-profit should eliminate the idea of "members" all together, and have its official size be exactly the minimum needed to maintain its legal status so that it can continue in its primary mission, which is as a trusted place for Fedora resources to be held. Similarly, if there are *any* concerns about the transparency of Fedora's spending, I encourage you to *ask me directly*. I can tell you exactly how much money was spent at each event we have held that came out of the Fedora budget. Finally, as I said yesterday, anyone who would like their 128 EUR membership fee back simply needs to ask, and we will refund it, no hard feelings. ============ There is a lot of good work to be done promoting Fedora and open source in Europe. I continue to be proud of the community that we have built here, both in terms of what it achieves, but also because when I see everyone together at events, it really feels like a group of friends. I hate to see people pulled apart, arguing about something (the non-profit) that is simply meant to be a tool to make all of our lives easier. So please, let's focus on what is positive, and important. We all recognize that we need to change the "membership" structure of Fedora EMEA e.V., and we will do so. But unless there are other major problems with the way things are being handled across Europe, let's put this to rest and all move on, and remember what brings us together. We've had a large number of events in multiple countries. We continue to expand into new areas -- see the latest reports today about Fedora in Kyrgyzstan thanks to Joerg Simon and Mirlan. We had an incredible FUDCon in Brno, and we've started planning next year's FUDCon. https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FUDCon/FUDConEMEA2009 And we have a brand new Fedora release, which is excellent, that we should be focusing on. Thank you for your time. --Max From felix at fetzig.org Wed Dec 10 12:37:32 2008 From: felix at fetzig.org (Felix Kaechele) Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 13:37:32 +0100 Subject: [Ambassadors] Fedora EMEA e.v. (was Re: What Fedora makes sucking ...) In-Reply-To: <493E7B14.6070705@fetzig.org> References: <20081209002540.GA25637@hurricane.linuxnetz.de> <1228822941.4444.18.camel@wicktop.localdomain> <1228828463.4444.55.camel@wicktop.localdomain> <20081209132712.GA4954@hurricane.linuxnetz.de> <493E7B14.6070705@fetzig.org> Message-ID: <493FB80C.4060508@fetzig.org> Felix Kaechele schrieb: > According to Gerold there were two reasons for the 128 EUR: > a) "we are binary people" and 128 EUR equals 2*2*2*2*2*2*2. > b) "we are having the same fee in my local LUG, too" > Honestly I don't think that any of these sounds convincing. Maybe there > are better reasons, but this is what Gerold told me on the phone. It has come to my mind that it would probably be better to also read the other post within that thread more thoroughly as this single quote does not reflect the entire background on how the fees have been determined. Just to be correct and to make sure nobody is offended by this. Greetings, Felix From stickster at gmail.com Wed Dec 10 13:04:41 2008 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 08:04:41 -0500 Subject: [Ambassadors] emea thoughts In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20081210130441.GB3443@localhost.localdomain> On Wed, Dec 10, 2008 at 01:33:31PM +0100, Max Spevack wrote: > All of the bitterness around the Fedora EMEA non-profit is really > causing me a lot of sadness. And me as well. [...snip...] > I am convinced that as soon as possible, the non-profit should eliminate > the idea of "members" all together, and have its official size be > exactly the minimum needed to maintain its legal status so that it can > continue in its primary mission, which is as a trusted place for Fedora > resources to be held. > > Similarly, if there are *any* concerns about the transparency of > Fedora's spending, I encourage you to *ask me directly*. I can tell you > exactly how much money was spent at each event we have held that came > out of the Fedora budget. > > Finally, as I said yesterday, anyone who would like their 128 EUR > membership fee back simply needs to ask, and we will refund it, no hard > feelings. I think making the Fedora EMEA e.V. membership as small as legally required is a perfectly reasonable suggestion. As has been pointed out elsewhere by other people involved in the group, the decisions on where resources are expended lie with Fedora anyway -- FAMSCo and, maybe in the background or only when needed, the Fedora Board. Membership in the NPO has never been, and will never be, required for any Ambassador to participate fully in the Fedora Project in any way. As for the handling of money, everyone should know that Max works as the treasurer of the Fedora EMEA e.V. group. I would think that the level to which he's always conducted business, openly and transparently, truly speaks for itself. Any suggestion that money is not being used in the best interest of the Fedora EMEA group really means that it's not being used in the best interest of Fedora, and that would be a completely irresponsible statement. Max has set a very high standard for how funds are handled and reported, and it should inspire confidence in everyone, not mistrust. Here's a little example. On Monday, my wife and I went to see our attorney to set up formal wills and trusts. When it came time to name an executor, there were only a few people who came to my mind to do this. One of them was Max -- yes, I seriously considered emailing him this week to ask him abou it. But fortunately for him, my sister is also very dependable and lives close by. Nevertheless, he is exactly the kind of person I would trust with that sort of business, not to mention with the handling of Fedora Project money. > There is a lot of good work to be done promoting Fedora and open source > in Europe. I continue to be proud of the community that we have built > here, both in terms of what it achieves, but also because when I see > everyone together at events, it really feels like a group of friends. > > I hate to see people pulled apart, arguing about something (the > non-profit) that is simply meant to be a tool to make all of our lives > easier. > > So please, let's focus on what is positive, and important. Absolutely -- the European community has been a beacon for the rest of the world, and the North American group, for example, has taken many cues from the fine work done in Europe. There is still much other important work to be done and we should be setting our sights forward, and figuring out how we can best accomplish our goals as part of Fedora, with healthy respect for each other and for the potential of the whole Fedora community. -- Paul W. 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URL: From obi at unixkiste.org Wed Dec 10 17:52:58 2008 From: obi at unixkiste.org (Stefan Held) Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 18:52:58 +0100 Subject: [Ambassadors] Fedora EMEA (was: What Fedora makes sucking for me - or why I am NOT Fedora) In-Reply-To: <493FB29C.2030709@kanarip.com> References: <20081209002540.GA25637@hurricane.linuxnetz.de> <493FB29C.2030709@kanarip.com> Message-ID: <1228931578.9213.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> Am Mittwoch, den 10.12.2008, 13:14 +0100 schrieb Jeroen van Meeuwen: > Personally, I've spent a fair amount of money (maybe more then anyone > else) getting where I need to be and doing what I need to do. That is > also the reason why I deeply resent your suggestion. Buying all this fancy hats is expensive. Red Fedoras, Blue Fedoras and Orange Sombreros :) This would kill my budget. At least we now know that you weren't forced to eat Pizza with Spaghetti with that money :) > Kind regards, > > Jeroen van Meeuwen > -kanarip > > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list -- Stefan Held VI has only 2 Modes: obi unixkiste org The first one is for beeping all the time, FreeNode: foo_bar the second destroys the text. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Fedora Ambassador: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/StefanHeld --------------------------------------------------------------------------- perl -e'map{print pack c,($|++?1:13)+ord,select$,,$,,$,,$|}split//,ESEL.$/' --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From fugolini at fedoraproject.org Wed Dec 10 18:07:09 2008 From: fugolini at fedoraproject.org (Francesco Ugolini) Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 19:07:09 +0100 Subject: [Ambassadors] Fedora Elections - Important Information In-Reply-To: <413189019.324941228905255585.JavaMail.root@zmail01.collab.prod.int.phx2.redhat.com> References: <289726810.324881228905197933.JavaMail.root@zmail01.collab.prod.int.phx2.redhat.com> <413189019.324941228905255585.JavaMail.root@zmail01.collab.prod.int.phx2.redhat.com> Message-ID: 2008/12/10 Nigel Jones : > Hi Ambassadors, > > It seems that my original e-mail did not transmit correctly and I do not wish to take away your opportunity to vote in your own elections! > > There is still approximately 10 days to vote (until 20th Dec 2359 UTC). > > Regards, > > Nigel Jones Thank you for the advice :) Regards Francesco Ugolini From herlo1 at gmail.com Wed Dec 10 20:15:42 2008 From: herlo1 at gmail.com (Clint Savage) Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 13:15:42 -0700 Subject: [Ambassadors] Recording FUDCon Audio Message-ID: I'm not really sure where to start this conversation, so I thought I'd at least start here and see where it goes. I've recently purchased a new 8channel mixer for the local Utah Open Source Foundation (UTOS)[1] which I run. We record and stream[2] as many of the Local User Groups (LUGs)[3] we can in the area. We also podcast[4] them afterward as well. At the last FUDCon, I did a little bit of streaming on our UTOS streaming server and even podcasted one on Fedora TV (remember that?). This year, with this mixer, I'd like to take the time to stream and record audio for at least all of the classes that I can attend as well as Paul's keynote. I understand there may be desire to video record this presentation as well, and I wonder what plans, if any, there are in place already. The thought I had was possibly to request resources from infrastructure to build a icecast streaming server with FAS authentication (maybe) and use that. If that fails, I can still use the UTOS streaming server. Anyway, lend your thoughts. Cheers, Clint 1 - http://utos.org 2 - http://stream.utos.org:8080 3 - http://blog.utos.org/utah-tech-groups/ 4 - http://podcast.utos.org From stickster at gmail.com Wed Dec 10 21:42:58 2008 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 16:42:58 -0500 Subject: [Ambassadors] Recording FUDCon Audio In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20081210214258.GI4364@localhost.localdomain> On Wed, Dec 10, 2008 at 01:15:42PM -0700, Clint Savage wrote: > I'm not really sure where to start this conversation, so I thought I'd > at least start here and see where it goes. > > I've recently purchased a new 8channel mixer for the local Utah Open > Source Foundation (UTOS)[1] which I run. We record and stream[2] as > many of the Local User Groups (LUGs)[3] we can in the area. We also > podcast[4] them afterward as well. > > At the last FUDCon, I did a little bit of streaming on our UTOS > streaming server and even podcasted one on Fedora TV (remember that?). > This year, with this mixer, I'd like to take the time to stream and > record audio for at least all of the classes that I can attend as well > as Paul's keynote. I understand there may be desire to video record > this presentation as well, and I wonder what plans, if any, there are > in place already. > > The thought I had was possibly to request resources from > infrastructure to build a icecast streaming server with FAS > authentication (maybe) and use that. If that fails, I can still use > the UTOS streaming server. > > Anyway, lend your thoughts. It's funny you mention this Clint -- we talked about this very topic in the Tuesday Fedora Board meeting. (Not about you doing it specifically, but how to bring some audio for at least one or two rooms to non-physical attendees.) Chris Tyler was taking that topic on from the Board side -- I'm going to cc him and you guys can work on it in whichever public list makes the most sense to you. Chris, Clint is coming to this FUDCon so it makes great sense for you guys to partner up on this. I'm hoping we have enough preparation time still so Clint can spend all of Friday on Ambassador hackfesty topics, as opposed to figuring out software. Since Fedora is paying for a small number of NA Ambassadors to come together at FUDCon physically, it would be great if they could take advantage of that in-person time for whatever tasks are appropriate that lend themselves to physical presence. -- Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Plenty of space is available for a 2-day concurrent > > conference, and he's working on chartered busses from several (nearby) > > cities such as Boston, Ottawa, and Toronto to ease getting to > > Montreal. > > > > This wouldn't be a Fedora 12 planning FUDCon as we've traditionally > > had such, given that mid-July is pretty late for such assuming we get > > back to our May 1 / October 31 release schedule. But it could be an > > opportunity for Fedora-specific side-tracks to LS, or a hackfest, or > > any number of ways to use the time and space. If we had 2 days and > > space for 100+ people in Montreal that week,, how could we use it? > > > > I'd like an interested Ambassador to step up and volunteer to run such > > an event. Volunteers? > > Wow, this is a great opportunity. We have some ambassadors on the > ground in Montreal so let's try to make this happen if we can. Can anyone volunteer to coordinate Fedora's involvement in this event? Andrew would like to know if Fedora is interested and start planning space needs. Thanks, Matt From bigyan.techie at gmail.com Thu Dec 11 03:07:10 2008 From: bigyan.techie at gmail.com (Bigyan Bhar) Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 08:37:10 +0530 Subject: [Ambassadors] Media for Indian ambassadors shipped. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8a9a812b0812101907o49935b1ctab4b91d7e660f8e1@mail.gmail.com> I have got my media yesterday. Thanks to Susmit for sending both the 32bit as well as the 64bit versions. from, Bigyan Bhar Check out my Blog : http://naygib.blogspot.com/ Imagination is more important than knowledge. Knowledge is limited. Imagination encircles the world. --- Albert Einstein Imagination is the mother of creativity --- D.Tamal 2008/12/6 susmit shannigrahi > Hi, > > Its my pleasure to let you know that finally the media has been shipped. > Each shipment contains one i386 and one x86_64 F10 DVD. > They will reach you in three days time. > Thanks. > > -- > Regards, > Susmit. > > ============================================= > ssh > 0x86DD170A > http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/user:susmit > ============================================= > > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rishikesh at fedoraproject.org Thu Dec 11 03:24:20 2008 From: rishikesh at fedoraproject.org (Rishikesh Sharma) Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 08:54:20 +0530 Subject: [Ambassadors] Media for Indian ambassadors shipped. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <7cb778c60812101924pb1eef4fwd71b5b3ace32ab86@mail.gmail.com> Thanks Susmit. I have got the shipment today. Thank you so much for the effrot. Regards, Rishikesh Sharma 2008/12/10 Dipanjan Chakraborty > > > On Sat, Dec 6, 2008 at 2:39 PM, susmit shannigrahi < > thinklinux.ssh at gmail.com> wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> Its my pleasure to let you know that finally the media has been shipped. >> Each shipment contains one i386 and one x86_64 F10 DVD. >> They will reach you in three days time. >> Thanks. >> >> -- >> Regards, >> Susmit. >> >> ============================================= >> ssh >> 0x86DD170A >> http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/user:susmit >> ============================================= >> >> -- >> Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list >> Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list >> > > Received my copy of the DVDs today. Thanksalot Susmit Da. > > -- > Yours sincerely, > Dipanjan Chakraborty > > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From sanjay.ankur at gmail.com Thu Dec 11 07:50:35 2008 From: sanjay.ankur at gmail.com (ankur sinha) Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 13:20:35 +0530 Subject: [Ambassadors] Media for Indian ambassadors shipped. In-Reply-To: <7cb778c60812101924pb1eef4fwd71b5b3ace32ab86@mail.gmail.com> References: <7cb778c60812101924pb1eef4fwd71b5b3ace32ab86@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <5d5765800812102350k5334198ak789be68fe16fec7c@mail.gmail.com> 2008/12/11 Rishikesh Sharma > Thanks Susmit. I have got the shipment today. Thank you so much for the > effrot. > > > Regards, > Rishikesh Sharma > > 2008/12/10 Dipanjan Chakraborty > >> >> >> On Sat, Dec 6, 2008 at 2:39 PM, susmit shannigrahi < >> thinklinux.ssh at gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> Hi, >>> >>> Its my pleasure to let you know that finally the media has been shipped. >>> Each shipment contains one i386 and one x86_64 F10 DVD. >>> They will reach you in three days time. >>> Thanks. >>> >>> -- >>> Regards, >>> Susmit. >>> >>> ============================================= >>> ssh >>> 0x86DD170A >>> http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/user:susmit >>> ============================================= >>> >>> -- >>> Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list >>> Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com >>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list >>> >> >> Received my copy of the DVDs today. Thanksalot Susmit Da. >> >> -- >> Yours sincerely, >> Dipanjan Chakraborty >> >> -- >> Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list >> Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list >> >> > > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > hi, got mine too.. installed and working.. thanks.. regards, Ankur -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pankdh6006 at gmail.com Thu Dec 11 08:07:42 2008 From: pankdh6006 at gmail.com (dj-sh) Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 13:37:42 +0530 Subject: [Ambassadors] Media for Indian ambassadors shipped. In-Reply-To: <5d5765800812102350k5334198ak789be68fe16fec7c@mail.gmail.com> References: <7cb778c60812101924pb1eef4fwd71b5b3ace32ab86@mail.gmail.com> <5d5765800812102350k5334198ak789be68fe16fec7c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <46c1230812110007m3cb3d42cld37d2ed96515e46a@mail.gmail.com> I received my DVDs in fine condition , Thank You Djays http://djsh.net Some people keep looking at blue screens and blackouts .. Other People Use Linux -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mspevack at redhat.com Thu Dec 11 11:52:35 2008 From: mspevack at redhat.com (Max Spevack) Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 12:52:35 +0100 (CET) Subject: [Ambassadors] FOSDEM 2009 Updates - 8th Dec 2009 - In-Reply-To: <3161376e0812081256x4e93552dk41ac5ca083ce45b5@mail.gmail.com> References: <3161376e0812081256x4e93552dk41ac5ca083ce45b5@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 8 Dec 2008, Frederic Hornain wrote: > - Swags and DVDs. I can take care of CDs and tshirts, since I have a lot of that stuff already. I'll be taking the train from Amsterdam, so transport shouldn't be too hard. Maybe Jeroen wants to take the train with me and help carry stuff. If he does, I'll buy him a steak tartare! --Max From gerold at lugd.org Thu Dec 11 12:26:08 2008 From: gerold at lugd.org (Gerold) Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 13:26:08 +0100 (CET) Subject: [Ambassadors] FOSDEM 2009 Updates - 8th Dec 2009 - In-Reply-To: References: <3161376e0812081256x4e93552dk41ac5ca083ce45b5@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <6412.155.208.254.98.1228998368.squirrel@www.gbc.net> > On Mon, 8 Dec 2008, Frederic Hornain wrote: > >> - Swags and DVDs. > > I can take care of CDs and tshirts, since I have a lot of that stuff > already. I'll be taking the train from Amsterdam, so transport > shouldn't be too hard. Maybe Jeroen wants to take the train with me and > help carry stuff. If he does, I'll buy him a steak tartare! ^^ be carefully Max; ... he?ll love that! :-) Gerold From oisinfeeley at imapmail.org Thu Dec 11 14:10:25 2008 From: oisinfeeley at imapmail.org (Oisin Feeley) Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 09:10:25 -0500 Subject: [Ambassadors] Fedora conference co-located with Linux Symposium? In-Reply-To: <20081211025827.GA20503@domsch.com> References: <20081025001728.GB13706@domsch.com> <20081211025827.GA20503@domsch.com> Message-ID: <1229004625.7587.1289515803@webmail.messagingengine.com> On Wed, 10 Dec 2008 20:58:27 -0600, "Matt Domsch" said: > On Fri, Oct 24, 2008 at 08:16:44PM -0500, inode0 wrote: > > On Fri, Oct 24, 2008 at 7:17 PM, Matt Domsch wrote: > > > Andrew Hutton caught me online earlier today and asked if Fedora would > > > be interested in hosting a conference of any size, to run concurrent > > > with the Linux Symposium (previously held in Ottawa) in Montreal 13-17 > > > July 2009). Plenty of space is available for a 2-day concurrent > > > conference, and he's working on chartered busses from several (nearby) > > > cities such as Boston, Ottawa, and Toronto to ease getting to > > > Montreal. > > > > > > This wouldn't be a Fedora 12 planning FUDCon as we've traditionally > > > had such, given that mid-July is pretty late for such assuming we get > > > back to our May 1 / October 31 release schedule. But it could be an > > > opportunity for Fedora-specific side-tracks to LS, or a hackfest, or > > > any number of ways to use the time and space. If we had 2 days and > > > space for 100+ people in Montreal that week,, how could we use it? > > > > > > I'd like an interested Ambassador to step up and volunteer to run such > > > an event. Volunteers? > > > > Wow, this is a great opportunity. We have some ambassadors on the > > ground in Montreal so let's try to make this happen if we can. > > > Can anyone volunteer to coordinate Fedora's involvement in this event? > Andrew would like to know if Fedora is interested and start planning > space needs. I am _not_ volunteering to co-ordinate as I have little experience in organising such events. I am also two hours drive away from Montreal (in Sherbrooke), but I can provide basic gruntwork on the relevant days if someone else needs assistance. Best wishes -- Oisin Feeley http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/OisinFeeley From sparshme5 at gmail.com Thu Dec 11 14:10:49 2008 From: sparshme5 at gmail.com (gaurav taywade) Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 19:40:49 +0530 Subject: [Ambassadors] Media for Indian ambassadors shipped. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: thnx a lot susmit... 2008/12/10 Dipanjan Chakraborty > > > On Sat, Dec 6, 2008 at 2:39 PM, susmit shannigrahi < > thinklinux.ssh at gmail.com> wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> Its my pleasure to let you know that finally the media has been shipped. >> Each shipment contains one i386 and one x86_64 F10 DVD. >> They will reach you in three days time. >> Thanks. >> >> -- >> Regards, >> Susmit. >> >> ============================================= >> ssh >> 0x86DD170A >> http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/user:susmit >> ============================================= >> >> -- >> Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list >> Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list >> > > Received my copy of the DVDs today. Thanksalot Susmit Da. > > -- > Yours sincerely, > Dipanjan Chakraborty > > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > > -- Gaurav Taywade +99606-20260 Regd. Linux User : #412097 Ubuntu User : # 24271 Secondary mail:sparshme5 at rediffmail.com Web:- http://sparshme5.googlepages.com http://ambanagari.googlepages.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rishi_setiya09 at yahoo.co.in Thu Dec 11 15:44:38 2008 From: rishi_setiya09 at yahoo.co.in (rishi setiya) Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 21:14:38 +0530 (IST) Subject: [Ambassadors] Media for Indian ambassadors shipped. Message-ID: <154613.84133.qm@web95413.mail.in2.yahoo.com> Thanks For the DVD's Regards Rishi Get perfect Email ID for your Resume. Grab now http://in.promos.yahoo.com/address -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mspevack at redhat.com Thu Dec 11 17:46:53 2008 From: mspevack at redhat.com (Max Spevack) Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 18:46:53 +0100 (CET) Subject: [Ambassadors] FOSDEM 2009 Updates - 8th Dec 2009 - In-Reply-To: <6412.155.208.254.98.1228998368.squirrel@www.gbc.net> References: <3161376e0812081256x4e93552dk41ac5ca083ce45b5@mail.gmail.com> <6412.155.208.254.98.1228998368.squirrel@www.gbc.net> Message-ID: On Thu, 11 Dec 2008, Gerold wrote: >> help carry stuff. If he does, I'll buy him a steak tartare! > ^^ > be carefully Max; ... I hate to disappoint all of you in advance, but I will *not* be ordering that again just for the sake of "tradition". --Max From robert at fedoraproject.org Thu Dec 11 20:25:16 2008 From: robert at fedoraproject.org (Robert Scheck) Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 21:25:16 +0100 Subject: [Ambassadors] Re: What Fedora makes sucking for me - or why I am NOT Fedora In-Reply-To: References: <20081209002540.GA25637@hurricane.linuxnetz.de> Message-ID: <20081211202516.GA17915@hurricane.linuxnetz.de> Hello Max, On Tue, 09 Dec 2008, Max Spevack wrote: > (2) I never understood why the membership fees are anything other than > nominal. The purpose of a legal entity like Fedora EMEA e.V. is *not* > to collect money from Fedora contributors, but to serve as a legal > entity that can hold onto resources from Red Hat (freeing us from having > to spend resources in a 3-month window or watching them vanish) as well > as to hold resources from other organizations that want to contribute > directly to Fedora without having to contribute to Red Hat. the scheme for the membership fees was suggested by Gerold when he was using the statutes from his Linux Usergroup Loerrach as base. AFAIK we all agreed completely and closed to that paragraph inside the statutes when founding Fedora EMEA on FOSDEM 2008. This moves the issue not to Gerold, but to all of the foundation members, if we want to blame somebody - which is not my indention. We (the foundation members) _maybe_ didn't think about it enough when deciding that. It looks like I'm one of the few people talking about the amount of the membership fees - when listening to the voices around, the common feedback is, that the membership fee is just too heavy. The voices are coming from Fedora EMEA e.V. members and from non-members and I'm not naming somebody here, looks like Fedora contributors and NPO members are somehow a bit shy regarding that... ;-) My personal result after that heavy discussion the last few days is, that I definately want to see a *real* discussion including a possible change of the membership fees on the next general member meeting of Fedora EMEA e.V. So please put that on the agenda when sending the next invitations for such a cometogether. And as Max said, Fedora EMEA e.V. does not want to collect money from the Fedora contributors already spending their time, so I can't see any barrier why we should not change the membership fee in order to make more people happy and getting a member of Fedora EMEA e.V. Please note, that according to the statutes, the membership fee needs to be a number with the base of two (but it's AFAIK open whether Euro or Cent), so 128 Euro are possible same as 10,24 Euro (because of 1024 Cent). With a bit of mathematics we can nearly deal every lower membership fee (if we want that) without changing the statutes itself, I would assume and say. Please note: According to our statutes, two third (2/3) are needed to change the membership fees, so that should be 10 out of 15 people in total. If we're less than the half of all members, that would be 7 people, the decision has to be moved on to the next general member meeting, so our statutes say. There also should be no petition needed as we don't change our statutes itself, but maybe just the membership fees managed in separate document. If any petition or request is anyway needed, see that as offical request for it. Finally of this e-mail speaking for myself: I don't want to get reimbursed for my membership fee, my issue is not the height itself, but what with the money happens more or less - which Max nicely explained in another e-mail. I'll surely write an reply there as well, currently I'm trying to get the echo (~ 300 mails) for my initial e-mail read and answered... ;-) Greetings, Robert From mspevack at redhat.com Thu Dec 11 20:40:06 2008 From: mspevack at redhat.com (Max Spevack) Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 21:40:06 +0100 (CET) Subject: [Ambassadors] Re: What Fedora makes sucking for me - or why I am NOT Fedora In-Reply-To: <20081211202516.GA17915@hurricane.linuxnetz.de> References: <20081209002540.GA25637@hurricane.linuxnetz.de> <20081211202516.GA17915@hurricane.linuxnetz.de> Message-ID: Thanks for the reply, Robert. > My personal result after that heavy discussion the last few days is, > that I definately want to see a *real* discussion including a possible > change of the membership fees on the next general member meeting of > Fedora EMEA e.V. So please put that on the agenda when sending the > next invitations for such a cometogether. I have already proposed this myself several times in various emails, and I agree that it must be discussed. > And as Max said, Fedora EMEA e.V. does not want to collect money from > the Fedora contributors already spending their time Yes, I believe this very strongly. > Finally of this e-mail speaking for myself: I don't want to get > reimbursed for my membership fee, my issue is not the height itself, > but what with the money happens more or less - which Max nicely > explained in another e-mail. I'll surely write an reply there as well If you have any further questions, I'll be happy to reply. Also please note that one of the things on the TODO list for January is to completely finalize the accounting details of Fedora EMEA e.V. from its creation through the end of 2008. Thanks, Max From fhornain at gmail.com Thu Dec 11 20:42:52 2008 From: fhornain at gmail.com (Frederic Hornain) Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 21:42:52 +0100 Subject: [Ambassadors] Fedora Hosted Project ?? Message-ID: <3161376e0812111242x7c706a37xe51d7fdfe01cb2cb@mail.gmail.com> Dear *, Does someone know if the "Fedora Hosted Project" is a project in itself or is it part of more global project.? For my part, I think it is a great idea. Congratulation ! Best Regards Frederic -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lletelier at fedoraproject.org Thu Dec 11 21:05:54 2008 From: lletelier at fedoraproject.org (Larry Letelier N.) Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 18:05:54 -0300 Subject: [Ambassadors] Fedora Hosted Project =?UTF-8?Q?=3F=3F?= In-Reply-To: <3161376e0812111242x7c706a37xe51d7fdfe01cb2cb@mail.gmail.com> References: <3161376e0812111242x7c706a37xe51d7fdfe01cb2cb@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <743dd1649bcdb279b5c7fd5a3b434f9b@localhost> On Thu, 11 Dec 2008 21:42:52 +0100, "Frederic Hornain" wrote: > Dear *, > > Does someone know if the "Fedora Hosted Project" is a project in itself or > is it part of more global project.? > For my part, I think it is a great idea. Congratulation ! > > Best Regards > Frederic Mr. Frederic: Can you see this: https://fedorahosted.org/web/about -- Larry Letelier N. lletelier at fedoraproject.org From christoph.wickert at googlemail.com Thu Dec 11 22:47:25 2008 From: christoph.wickert at googlemail.com (Christoph Wickert) Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 23:47:25 +0100 Subject: Fedora EMEA e.V. (was: Re: [Ambassadors] Re: What Fedora makes sucking for me - or why I am NOT Fedora) In-Reply-To: References: <20081209002540.GA25637@hurricane.linuxnetz.de> <39317.VwBUX1dRCno=.1228816270.squirrel@webmail.no-log.org> Message-ID: <1229035645.3381.103.camel@wicktop.localdomain> Am Dienstag, den 09.12.2008, 13:06 +0100 schrieb Max Spevack: > On Tue, 9 Dec 2008, Mathieu Bridon (bochecha) wrote: > > >>> Fedora EMEA e.V. also seems to be a mostly dead tree. Of course we > >>> have founded the association as legal vehicle. But it would be nice > >>> to see where > >> > >> Interesting, I thought that it was going well. Perhaps you should > >> ask FAmSCo to enlighten us here? > > > > I haver the same issue with EMEA as Robert. I'm french, we have our > > own association (and had it before the creation of EMEA). Our fee is > > 20?. EMEA is 128?. Guess which one I (and each and every french > > people) adhered to ? > > > > About them not being transparent enough, I must admit that I didn't > > try to interest myself about what they are doing, mainly because I > > will not adhere to it as long as the fee is so prohibitively high. For > > now, they are (to me) only a way to acquire really nice poloshirts > > (and thank you Joerg for taking care of that :) > > Personally, I don't care at all about the membership fee for Fedora EMEA > e.V. The value to me is not in getting Euros from already existing > Fedora members. The membership fee could be 1 EUR, and I wouldn't care. We need to decide what the e.V. really should be. If it is just a "hack" for legal reasons, then it can remain as is. But if we also want to make it a really powerful organization of the ambassadors, then this needs to be revisited. Let me repeat my question from half a year ago: The "ME" in EMEA stands for "Middle East", the A for Afrika. Does anybody really think somebody from Africa or the Middle East is able to pay 128 euros a year? Do we have anyone from ME or A in in the e.V? > The value of Fedora-fr's organization and Fedora EMEA e.V. is that they > are LEGAL ENTITIES that can hold resources, and that can accept > resources from multiple parties. > > Read over my email from yesterday about the Q4 budget. The fact that in > EMEA, I can have Red Hat make one money transfer of budget to another > legal entity's bank account makes my life so much easier, and it means > that even if we don't spend all the money in one quarter, it doesn't > disappear. These non-profit organizations: > > (a) allow us to do a better job planning our expenses > > (b) allow non-Red Hat organizations to give money directly to the Fedora > Project without requiring them to give money to Red Hat, which is a very > important detail. > > I believe that we are incredibly transparent about the manner in which > our budget is spent. From the moment I became the Fedora Project Leader > in February 2006, I have tracked the budget that I manage publicly on > the Fedora wiki. And you are doing very well with that, so I suggest to make the NPO's budget available somewhere too. I don't care if it's in the fpo wiki or somewhere on fedoraemea.org > If there are specific questions that you (or anyone) has, feel free to > list them and I will do my best to answer. Here is one, not only addressed to you, Max: Half a year ago I asked what will happen if the ambassadors and the NPO disagree on a topic. The answer I got was: This wont happen, because the NPO is committed to the community of ambassadors. Is it really? As J?rg said [1]: <---- "The Fedora Board has given Fedora EMEA e.V. the right to use the Brand "Fedora" (Name, Artwork, Logo ...) and requested quarterly Report to have the overview that we act in there terms. If we will not do our Job, they can take us this right - without this Fedora EMEA e.V. is nothing." ----> Has the Fedora Board ever received such a quarterly report? I doubt that from a legal POV the Fedora Board even has the power to request it, so the only 100% save solution I can think of is to write this down in the NPO's statutes. ATM the statutes say nothing about the relation from the NPO to the ambassadors or it's duties. We (or the members of the e.V.) should work out an addition to the statutes that everybody can agree on and that can be ratified during the next general member meeting Can you please put this onto the agenda for the next general member meeting? > > --Max TIA Christoph [1] http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-ambassadors-list/2008-May/msg00154.html From mspevack at redhat.com Thu Dec 11 22:56:12 2008 From: mspevack at redhat.com (Max Spevack) Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 23:56:12 +0100 (CET) Subject: Fedora EMEA e.V. (was: Re: [Ambassadors] Re: What Fedora makes sucking for me - or why I am NOT Fedora) In-Reply-To: <1229035645.3381.103.camel@wicktop.localdomain> References: <20081209002540.GA25637@hurricane.linuxnetz.de> <39317.VwBUX1dRCno=.1228816270.squirrel@webmail.no-log.org> <1229035645.3381.103.camel@wicktop.localdomain> Message-ID: On Thu, 11 Dec 2008, Christoph Wickert wrote: Hi Christoph, I really appreciate you taking the time to share your thoughts. > Let me repeat my question from half a year ago: The "ME" in EMEA > stands for "Middle East", the A for Afrika. Does anybody really think > somebody from Africa or the Middle East is able to pay 128 euros a > year? Do we have anyone from ME or A in in the e.V? Not right now, we don't. At least, I don't think we do. I don't know off the top of my head our exact membership roster. I am on the record as saying that I believe we need to dramatically reduce the membership fee. That is a "business" decision that will continue to be discussed. It's not my decision to make alone, of course. > And you are doing very well with that, so I suggest to make the NPO's > budget available somewhere too. I don't care if it's in the fpo wiki > or somewhere on fedoraemea.org I think that once we finalize all of the 2008 finances in January, making that information available is a fine thing to do. In order to do the job right, though, people need to be patient for another 4-6 weeks. I would hope that you guys all trust me enough to know that I want to make sure we do a good job of this. > Here is one, not only addressed to you, Max: Half a year ago I asked > what will happen if the ambassadors and the NPO disagree on a topic. The > answer I got was: This wont happen, because the NPO is committed to the > community of ambassadors. Is it really? As J?rg said [1]: > <---- > "The Fedora Board has given Fedora EMEA e.V. the right to use the > Brand "Fedora" (Name, Artwork, Logo ...) and requested quarterly Report > to have the overview that we act in there terms. If we will not do our > Job, they can take us this right - without this Fedora EMEA e.V. is > nothing." > ----> > Has the Fedora Board ever received such a quarterly report? Yes. A while back, the Fedora Board asked for a status update on Fedora EMEA e.V. I attended the Fedora Board meeting, gave a short talk, answered a few questions, etc. I expect that once 2008 is concluded, the Fedora Board will ask for another report, and I will again provide it. > I doubt that from a legal POV the Fedora Board even has the power to > request it, so the only 100% save solution I can think of is to write > this down in the NPO's statutes. ATM the statutes say nothing about > the relation from the NPO to the ambassadors or it's duties. We (or > the members of the e.V.) should work out an addition to the statutes > that everybody can agree on and that can be ratified during the next > general member meeting > > Can you please put this onto the agenda for the next general member > meeting? I'll leave this to Gerold, Jeroen, or Fabian. Thanks again for sharing your thoughts. --Max From robert at fedoraproject.org Thu Dec 11 23:40:41 2008 From: robert at fedoraproject.org (Robert Scheck) Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 00:40:41 +0100 Subject: [Ambassadors] What Fedora makes sucking for me - or why I am NOT Fedora In-Reply-To: References: <20081209002540.GA25637@hurricane.linuxnetz.de> <20081209121526.GA28394@hurricane.linuxnetz.de> <50343.155.208.254.98.1228826206.squirrel@www.gbc.net> <20081209131513.GA4257@hurricane.linuxnetz.de> Message-ID: <20081211234041.GA10605@hurricane.linuxnetz.de> Hello Max, On Tue, 09 Dec 2008, Max Spevack wrote: > That's a broad overview. Does that help? yes, thank you very much for the overview. Maybe we can combine such information in the future with the quarterly reports to the Fedora Board and publish or send them around somehow? Or maybe we can put it onto the wiki as well? The simple showing what was done with the money (even without the numbers, just the results) about a quarter year is something that gives more transparency to all of us. Showing outside, that we're active is also something, which we IMHO can use for sponsors to show them, that we're not only collecting money and getting interest for it. I personally can't imagine a company or an organisation to hand out money without seeing already activity and usage cases. The annual reports required by the statutes are separate of that and they of course include usually mostly numbers; so I see them a bit separate from the idea above. Greetings, Robert From pingou at pingoured.fr Thu Dec 11 23:53:01 2008 From: pingou at pingoured.fr (Pierre-Yves) Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 00:53:01 +0100 Subject: [Ambassadors] FOSDEM 2009 Updates - 8th Dec 2009 - In-Reply-To: References: <3161376e0812081256x4e93552dk41ac5ca083ce45b5@mail.gmail.com> <6412.155.208.254.98.1228998368.squirrel@www.gbc.net> Message-ID: <4941A7DD.1090006@pingoured.fr> Max Spevack wrote: > On Thu, 11 Dec 2008, Gerold wrote: > >>> help carry stuff. If he does, I'll buy him a steak tartare! >> ^^ >> be carefully Max; ... > > I hate to disappoint all of you in advance, but I will *not* be ordering > that again just for the sake of "tradition". It is not because you will *not* that *we* will not :p just for the sake of "tradition" ! Pierre From robert at fedoraproject.org Thu Dec 11 23:54:37 2008 From: robert at fedoraproject.org (Robert Scheck) Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 00:54:37 +0100 Subject: [Ambassadors] Fedora EMEA e.v. (was Re: What Fedora makes sucking ...) In-Reply-To: <21772.155.208.254.98.1228830002.squirrel@www.gbc.net> References: <20081209002540.GA25637@hurricane.linuxnetz.de> <1228822941.4444.18.camel@wicktop.localdomain> <1228828463.4444.55.camel@wicktop.localdomain> <20081209132712.GA4954@hurricane.linuxnetz.de> <21772.155.208.254.98.1228830002.squirrel@www.gbc.net> Message-ID: <20081211235437.GB10605@hurricane.linuxnetz.de> Hello Gerold, On Tue, 09 Dec 2008, Gerold wrote: > To be honest; I don?t want to keep this discussion away from the ML > because THIS is only PART and DECISSION by the emembers of Fedora EMEA > e.V. and not a topic which must discussed here in the "Ambassadors world"; > ... Sorry, but there I still don't really agree with you. The Fedora EMEA e.V. was founded in order to support the Fedora Project and also the activities of the Fedora Project including its ambassadors, right? Unluckily we somehow missed to have a more deep linking between Fedora EMEA e.V. and the Fedora Project inside of the NPO statutes, but we should solve this with the next membership meeting. Yes, the NPO stands somehow for its alone, but as we're still under the Fedora umbrella, we should get linking also using the legal way inside of our statutes. > And, Christoph, Robert and all other, I feel and see this "discussions" > and "complains" very, very, very personall because I was one of the power > to found that NPO. We also had a personal talk about this yesterday during dinner. I of course can understand, that you're supporting the NPO with heart and soul, but you please should not treat every critics against yourself. The points claimed here are not to blame you as person, it's because I care...as Christoph pointed out already in another mail. Nobody is perfect, mistakes or unlucky things can happen, stuff can get forgotten and that includes also the board of Fedora EMEA e.V. Please try to take the critics not against you personal as I also told you during our talk - that would make me more happy. Greetings, Robert From robert at fedoraproject.org Fri Dec 12 00:01:02 2008 From: robert at fedoraproject.org (Robert Scheck) Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 01:01:02 +0100 Subject: [Ambassadors] What Fedora makes sucking for me - or why I am NOT Fedora In-Reply-To: <493E75CE.6020806@reuschlein.de> References: <20081209002540.GA25637@hurricane.linuxnetz.de> <20081209121526.GA28394@hurricane.linuxnetz.de> <50343.155.208.254.98.1228826206.squirrel@www.gbc.net> <493E75CE.6020806@reuschlein.de> Message-ID: <20081212000102.GC10605@hurricane.linuxnetz.de> Hello Peter, On Tue, 09 Dec 2008, Peter Reuschlein wrote: > I know Max published his complete accouting in the wiki. > Why not doing the same for the FAD EMEA?. > > Then the hole process would be transparent and noone can complain about > it. > > Also i think people take this hole discussion too personally. We all > have the same target to improve Fedora. The methods may be diffrent but > we should be able to discuss this. that's an interesting suggestion which nobody followed, yet. I'm assuming this got somehow lost amongst all the other e-mails. I'm not sure, but as far as I can see, there should be nothing, which could prevent the NPO from doing so - and it would be very transparent, no question. I'm adding this idea to my list of points which should get addressed during the next membership meeting. What for the Fedora Project works, also should work and succeed for Fedora EMEA e.V. And as far as I know, the German law doesn't forbidd such a thing. Greetings, Robert From christoph.wickert at googlemail.com Fri Dec 12 01:49:39 2008 From: christoph.wickert at googlemail.com (Christoph Wickert) Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 02:49:39 +0100 Subject: [Ambassadors] What Fedora makes sucking for me - or why I am NOT Fedora In-Reply-To: <20081212000102.GC10605@hurricane.linuxnetz.de> References: <20081209002540.GA25637@hurricane.linuxnetz.de> <20081209121526.GA28394@hurricane.linuxnetz.de> <50343.155.208.254.98.1228826206.squirrel@www.gbc.net> <493E75CE.6020806@reuschlein.de> <20081212000102.GC10605@hurricane.linuxnetz.de> Message-ID: <1229046579.3381.252.camel@wicktop.localdomain> Am Freitag, den 12.12.2008, 01:01 +0100 schrieb Robert Scheck: > Hello Peter, > > On Tue, 09 Dec 2008, Peter Reuschlein wrote: > > I know Max published his complete accouting in the wiki. > > Why not doing the same for the FAD EMEA?. > > > > Then the hole process would be transparent and noone can complain about > > it. > > > > Also i think people take this hole discussion too personally. We all > > have the same target to improve Fedora. The methods may be diffrent but > > we should be able to discuss this. > > that's an interesting suggestion which nobody followed, yet. I'm assuming > this got somehow lost amongst all the other e-mails. If I unterstand Max correctly he already took this suggestion into account, see https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-ambassadors-list/2008-December/msg00177.html > > Greetings, > Robert Regards, Christoph From nacross at gmail.com Fri Dec 12 04:36:55 2008 From: nacross at gmail.com (Neville A. Cross) Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 22:36:55 -0600 Subject: [Ambassadors] update sfd2008 Nicaragua In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Wed, Nov 26, 2008 at 9:45 AM, Francesco Ugolini wrote: > 2008/11/26 Neville A. Cross : > > This is really a great news for Fedora and for the whole community! > > Thank you for your work and your presence at the event. > > Regards > > Francesco Ugolini > A friend from the local LUG made a video about the SFD2008 Nicaragua. He posted the video at youtube [1] You can spot Rafael Marquez, another fedora ambassador, from minute 5:38 to 5:44 Best regards [1] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7e3riAMApDM -- Neville https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Yn1v Linux User # 473217 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Check: http://www.clickmanagua.com - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - From thinklinux.ssh at gmail.com Fri Dec 12 05:51:55 2008 From: thinklinux.ssh at gmail.com (susmit shannigrahi) Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 11:21:55 +0530 Subject: [Ambassadors] APAC ambassadors meeting . Message-ID: Hi, As the election process is on, I am reluctant to have the meeting tomorrow. (Second Sunday as fixed in the previous meeting) How about the third sunday of this month? That is 21th Dec 3UTC. -- Regards, Susmit. ============================================= ssh 0x86DD170A http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/user:susmit ============================================= From azneita at fedoraproject.org Fri Dec 12 06:01:30 2008 From: azneita at fedoraproject.org (Heherson Pagcaliwagan) Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 14:01:30 +0800 Subject: [Ambassadors] APAC ambassadors meeting . In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <928156be0812112201u37b56184q2d52bfed88157548@mail.gmail.com> > How about the third sunday of this month? That is 21th Dec 3UTC. Might be too near the holidays for some but no problem to me. -- Heherson Pagcaliwagan http://project.azneita.org From thinklinux.ssh at gmail.com Fri Dec 12 06:04:44 2008 From: thinklinux.ssh at gmail.com (susmit shannigrahi) Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 11:34:44 +0530 Subject: [Ambassadors] APAC ambassadors meeting . In-Reply-To: <928156be0812112201u37b56184q2d52bfed88157548@mail.gmail.com> References: <928156be0812112201u37b56184q2d52bfed88157548@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Fri, Dec 12, 2008 at 11:31 AM, Heherson Pagcaliwagan wrote: >> How about the third sunday of this month? That is 21th Dec 3UTC. > > Might be too near the holidays for some but no problem to me. Its a one hour business at most. :) But the date,time is always open for change. -- Regards, Susmit. ============================================= ssh 0x86DD170A http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/user:susmit ============================================= From gerold at lugd.org Fri Dec 12 06:33:22 2008 From: gerold at lugd.org (Gerold) Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 07:33:22 +0100 (CET) Subject: [Ambassadors] Fedora EMEA e.v. (was Re: What Fedora makes sucking ...) In-Reply-To: <20081211235437.GB10605@hurricane.linuxnetz.de> References: <20081209002540.GA25637@hurricane.linuxnetz.de> <1228822941.4444.18.camel@wicktop.localdomain> <1228828463.4444.55.camel@wicktop.localdomain> <20081209132712.GA4954@hurricane.linuxnetz.de> <21772.155.208.254.98.1228830002.squirrel@www.gbc.net> <20081211235437.GB10605@hurricane.linuxnetz.de> Message-ID: <49316.91.32.104.188.1229063602.squirrel@www.gbc.net> Hi Robert, first of all, it was nice and important to meet you again in person, thanks that it has happened. I will like to answer you right now only short, because I need to check some issues which I can?t do here (I need my equipment) > Hello Gerold, > > On Tue, 09 Dec 2008, Gerold wrote: >> To be honest; I don?t want to keep this discussion away from the ML >> because THIS is only PART and DECISSION by the emembers of Fedora EMEA >> e.V. and not a topic which must discussed here in the "Ambassadors >> world"; >> ... > > Sorry, but there I still don't really agree with you. The Fedora EMEA e.V. > was founded in order to support the Fedora Project and also the activities > of the Fedora Project including its ambassadors, right? ^^ right > > Unluckily we somehow missed to have a more deep linking between Fedora > EMEA > e.V. and the Fedora Project inside of the NPO statutes, but we should > solve > this with the next membership meeting. Yes, the NPO stands somehow for its > alone, but as we're still under the Fedora umbrella, we should get linking > also using the legal way inside of our statutes. ^^ I need to check that point extremly deep, because the targets of the association must have provided pharagraphes to be a taxreductable association. But let me check, I will come back with a better answer for this issue > >> And, Christoph, Robert and all other, I feel and see this "discussions" >> and "complains" very, very, very personall because I was one of the >> power >> to found that NPO. > > We also had a personal talk about this yesterday during dinner. I of > course > can understand, that you're supporting the NPO with heart and soul, but > you > please should not treat every critics against yourself. The points claimed > here are not to blame you as person, it's because I care...as Christoph > pointed out already in another mail. Nobody is perfect, mistakes or > unlucky > things can happen, stuff can get forgotten and that includes also the > board > of Fedora EMEA e.V. Please try to take the critics not against you > personal > as I also told you during our talk - that would make me more happy. ^^ I?ll try, believe me! GreetzzZZZz gerold From memshankar at gmail.com Fri Dec 12 09:24:19 2008 From: memshankar at gmail.com (Shankar Pokharel) Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 15:09:19 +0545 Subject: [Ambassadors] APAC ambassadors meeting . In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <116089960812120124y7d34d1f9m518a8ece07a50891@mail.gmail.com> On 12/12/08, susmit shannigrahi wrote: > > Hi, > > As the election process is on, I am reluctant to have the meeting > tomorrow. (Second Sunday as fixed in the previous meeting) > How about the third sunday of this month? That is 21th Dec 3UTC. The time and date are fine for me. -Shankar -- > Regards, > Susmit. > > ============================================= > ssh > 0x86DD170A > http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/user:susmit > ============================================= > > > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mspevack at redhat.com Fri Dec 12 10:12:57 2008 From: mspevack at redhat.com (Max Spevack) Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 11:12:57 +0100 (CET) Subject: Fedora EMEA e.V. (was: Re: [Ambassadors] Re: What Fedora makes sucking for me - or why I am NOT Fedora) In-Reply-To: References: <20081209002540.GA25637@hurricane.linuxnetz.de> <39317.VwBUX1dRCno=.1228816270.squirrel@webmail.no-log.org> <1229035645.3381.103.camel@wicktop.localdomain> Message-ID: On Thu, 11 Dec 2008, Max Spevack wrote: > I think that once we finalize all of the 2008 finances in January, > making that information available is a fine thing to do. In order to > do the job right, though, people need to be patient for another 4-6 > weeks. I would hope that you guys all trust me enough to know that I > want to make sure we do a good job of this. I would like to make one other comment, if you would all give me a few more minutes of your time. When the NPO was first founded, as you all know, I was not its treasurer. The entire board was made up of non-Red Hat community members, and I liked this very much. It seemed like the most community-friendly way to operate. However, when Robert was unable to continue as treasurer (not due to anything related to the NPO, but due simply to other requirements on his time), a few people asked me if I would consider taking the role, especially because I manage the Fedora budget from the Red Hat side, and it seemed like it would be very easy and convenient to have me also be the NPO's treasurer. I said yes, though somewhat reluctantly. Now, let's fast-forward 6 or 7 months to the present. If the community would prefer to have a non-Red Hat employee in the treasurer's position, I have absolutely no problem with that. I'll help finalize the accounting for 2008, and the truth is that I will continue to manage the Fedora budget for Red Hat in the same way regardless of whether or not I have an "official" position within the NPO. It doesn't really matter to me, and it doesn't really change very much day to day for me. In fact, I might even prefer it. It would make my day to day job a *little* bit easier. I'm open to this conversation. All I care about is enabling our community in EMEA to get things done with a minimum of bureaucratic and financial headaches. My job is to do whatever it takes to make that a reality. Thanks, Max From nihedmm at gmail.com Fri Dec 12 11:53:05 2008 From: nihedmm at gmail.com (nihed mbarek) Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 12:53:05 +0100 Subject: [Ambassadors] Fedora Release party Tunisia Message-ID: <5bddd8fd0812120353t4e0204f5h3fa7ba782a75efc2@mail.gmail.com> Fedora Tunisia will organise tomorow a release party for fedora 10. Local website are dispatch information : http://www.gnet.tn/net-informatique/lancement-en-tunisie-de-fedora-10/id-menu-473.html http://www.businessnews.com.tn/home/view_article_Business?=&a=1086003 a facebook event are available : http://www.facebook.com/home.php#/event.php?eid=52210306083 and more surprise for tomorow, best regards -- M'BAREK Med Nihed, Analyst Revenue Assurance http://www.nihed.com Fedora Ambassador, TUNISIA, Northern Africa Association for Computing Machinery Member PUB 1024D/FCC5B291 2006-02-28 [expires: 2008-12-27] FPR 16A4 AC3F 0B84 B3D1 A0E5 9BCC AD13 0DAE FCC5 B291 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From danishka at gmail.com Fri Dec 12 14:42:32 2008 From: danishka at gmail.com (Danishka Navin) Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 20:12:32 +0530 Subject: [Ambassadors] Important: Fedora && ADSL modems In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Guys, At the moment lot of people interest on F10 in our community. Most people (home users) migrated from Windows but unfortunately they could not find proper driver for the ZTE ZXDSL 852 ADSL modem. Its the common modem in my country. There is a solution for both Ubuntu and OpenSuse [1]. Appreciate if any body support us. [1] http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/home:/adrian5632/openSUSE_11.0/src/ Note: I raised this question in #fedora on behalf of other Fedora lovers, but there wasn't any positive response. -- Danishka Navin http://danishkanavin.blogspot.com (use Sinhala Unicode fonts) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From robert at fedoraproject.org Fri Dec 12 17:36:40 2008 From: robert at fedoraproject.org (Robert Scheck) Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 18:36:40 +0100 Subject: Fedora EMEA e.V. (was: Re: [Ambassadors] Re: What Fedora makes sucking for me - or why I am NOT Fedora) In-Reply-To: References: <20081209002540.GA25637@hurricane.linuxnetz.de> <39317.VwBUX1dRCno=.1228816270.squirrel@webmail.no-log.org> <1229035645.3381.103.camel@wicktop.localdomain> Message-ID: <20081212173640.GA1337@hurricane.linuxnetz.de> Hello Max, On Fri, 12 Dec 2008, Max Spevack wrote: > Now, let's fast-forward 6 or 7 months to the present. If the community > would prefer to have a non-Red Hat employee in the treasurer's position, > I have absolutely no problem with that. I'll help finalize the > accounting for 2008, and the truth is that I will continue to manage the > Fedora budget for Red Hat in the same way regardless of whether or not I > have an "official" position within the NPO. you wrote, that you liked it very much see the board of the NPO only with non-Red Hat community members. It sounds a bit, that you're no unhappy with the situation now? I only can speak for myself, but I think, you're doing a good job and you are connecting the NPO with Red Hat (seen as our biggest sponsor) more than a non-Red Hat community member IMHO could do. Of course we all don't know, how it looks in the future, but I also can only speak for the past and for the moment. Greetings, Robert From robert at fedoraproject.org Fri Dec 12 17:47:34 2008 From: robert at fedoraproject.org (Robert Scheck) Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 18:47:34 +0100 Subject: Fedora EMEA e.V. (was: Re: [Ambassadors] Re: What Fedora makes sucking for me - or why I am NOT Fedora) In-Reply-To: <20081212173640.GA1337@hurricane.linuxnetz.de> References: <20081209002540.GA25637@hurricane.linuxnetz.de> <39317.VwBUX1dRCno=.1228816270.squirrel@webmail.no-log.org> <1229035645.3381.103.camel@wicktop.localdomain> <20081212173640.GA1337@hurricane.linuxnetz.de> Message-ID: <20081212174734.GA4482@hurricane.linuxnetz.de> On Fri, 12 Dec 2008, Robert Scheck wrote: > you wrote, that you liked it very much see the board of the NPO only with > non-Red Hat community members. It sounds a bit, that you're no unhappy with > the situation now? I meant: "It sounds a bit, that you're unhappy with the situation now?". No double negotiation... ;-) Greetings, Robert From fugolini at fedoraproject.org Fri Dec 12 20:50:53 2008 From: fugolini at fedoraproject.org (Francesco Ugolini) Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 21:50:53 +0100 Subject: [Ambassadors] FAmSCo Election Message-ID: Hi, this is a reminder that FAmSCo votation period will be open until December 20th. I invite all Ambassadors to cast their vote visiting https://admin.fedoraproject.org/voting . Best regards Francesco Ugolini From fedora at romal.de Fri Dec 12 21:59:20 2008 From: fedora at romal.de (Robert M. Albrecht) Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 22:59:20 +0100 Subject: [Ambassadors] Fedora EMEA e.v. (was Re: What Fedora makes sucking ...) In-Reply-To: <20081211235437.GB10605@hurricane.linuxnetz.de> References: <20081209002540.GA25637@hurricane.linuxnetz.de> <1228822941.4444.18.camel@wicktop.localdomain> <1228828463.4444.55.camel@wicktop.localdomain> <20081209132712.GA4954@hurricane.linuxnetz.de> <21772.155.208.254.98.1228830002.squirrel@www.gbc.net> <20081211235437.GB10605@hurricane.linuxnetz.de> Message-ID: <4942DEB8.8030200@romal.de> Hi, maybe I'm a silly Fedora fanboy :-) But I like Fedora. I don't use it for daily work, most time I spend on my Apple. But I really like toying around with the newest technology and toys. And I think that is exactly Fedoras purpose. If it crashes or an update kills yum, so what ? Let`s be honest: Fedora releases are really only installable Rawhide-snapshots. And Rawhide is supposed to eat your babys. If someone needs a stable system he should use CentOS or RHEL or Ubuntu. But to Robert: yes, Fedora did loose a lot of users (at least in my surroundings) as the last Fedora releases really had a lot of problems, even for bleeding edge users. That really is bad :-( Today I returned from the third Secure Linux Administration Conference, and there was only one Fedora user. Even my laptop did run on Ubuntu, as the appliction I was giving a lecture on is written in Java and does not even start on F10. But tomorrow I will reinstall Fedora, as Ubuntu is boring :-) And the Fedora marketing is great. Did you see this: http://www.google.de/search?hl=de&q=fedora+plymouth If you search for Fedora and Plymouth, the first hit is a Ubuntu-Brainstorm link "We want Plymouth!". Isn't that great? 10 years ago only Microsoft could sell unfinished software to customers :-) cu romal Am 12.12.2008 0:54 Uhr, schrieb Robert Scheck: > Hello Gerold, > > On Tue, 09 Dec 2008, Gerold wrote: >> To be honest; I don?t want to keep this discussion away from the ML >> because THIS is only PART and DECISSION by the emembers of Fedora EMEA >> e.V. and not a topic which must discussed here in the "Ambassadors world"; >> ... > > Sorry, but there I still don't really agree with you. The Fedora EMEA e.V. > was founded in order to support the Fedora Project and also the activities > of the Fedora Project including its ambassadors, right? > > Unluckily we somehow missed to have a more deep linking between Fedora EMEA > e.V. and the Fedora Project inside of the NPO statutes, but we should solve > this with the next membership meeting. Yes, the NPO stands somehow for its > alone, but as we're still under the Fedora umbrella, we should get linking > also using the legal way inside of our statutes. > >> And, Christoph, Robert and all other, I feel and see this "discussions" >> and "complains" very, very, very personall because I was one of the power >> to found that NPO. > > We also had a personal talk about this yesterday during dinner. I of course > can understand, that you're supporting the NPO with heart and soul, but you > please should not treat every critics against yourself. The points claimed > here are not to blame you as person, it's because I care...as Christoph > pointed out already in another mail. Nobody is perfect, mistakes or unlucky > things can happen, stuff can get forgotten and that includes also the board > of Fedora EMEA e.V. Please try to take the critics not against you personal > as I also told you during our talk - that would make me more happy. > > > Greetings, > Robert > > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > From robert at fedoraproject.org Fri Dec 12 23:42:23 2008 From: robert at fedoraproject.org (Robert Scheck) Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 00:42:23 +0100 Subject: [Ambassadors] Re: What Fedora makes sucking for me - or why I am NOT Fedora In-Reply-To: <20081209165842.GB17698@localhost.localdomain> References: <20081209002540.GA25637@hurricane.linuxnetz.de> <39317.VwBUX1dRCno=.1228816270.squirrel@webmail.no-log.org> <20081209131541.GB15222@sphe.res.cmu.edu> <20081209143043.GB7415@localhost.localdomain> <1228840944.4444.146.camel@wicktop.localdomain> <20081209165842.GB17698@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <20081212234223.GA9692@hurricane.linuxnetz.de> Hello Paul, On Tue, 09 Dec 2008, Paul W. Frields wrote: > On Tue, Dec 09, 2008 at 05:42:24PM +0100, Christoph Wickert wrote: > > Am Dienstag, den 09.12.2008, 09:30 -0500 schrieb Paul W. Frields: > > > There are *NO* Fedora community members who should be taking heat for > > > anything to do with the intrusion report, other than myself. If > > > anyone has questions about forthcoming information, they should be > > > directed to me. > > > > Ok, here they are: > > Is the investigation finished or still ongoing? > > When will we get a (hopefully) final report? > > 1. This is an ongoing matter. > 2. As soon as possible once it's concluded. Hmm...still an ongoing matter? We're now 4 months after the intrusion into the servers. That's something which looks a bit strange to me. Sorry, when I'm in doubt here, but 4 months is a very long time. Am I allowed to remember, that many press articles are sticking to, that we still did not release any final report regard the intrusion into the Fedora servers? I'm still missing Open Communication here, because we all are now for 4 months "on hold". And as there was now no update for > 3 months, I am afraid, that this non-saying state is maybe forever, because who cares in another 4 months about the intrusion into the Fedora servers? Sorry, when I'm seeing that such negative, but this is how it looks like to me. When looking to my daily job, an intrusion analysis including a report within 4 months should be possible or is there a bigger picture, the Fedora Community is not aware about...except the being of Red Hat and the closed doors they have? Greetings, Robert From jchendra at gmail.com Sat Dec 13 03:05:33 2008 From: jchendra at gmail.com (John Chendra) Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 11:05:33 +0800 Subject: [Ambassadors] APAC ambassadors meeting . In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <7660c38c0812121905k3f8d9e47h7cb497049d0c4b22@mail.gmail.com> On Fri, Dec 12, 2008 at 1:51 PM, susmit shannigrahi < thinklinux.ssh at gmail.com> wrote: > Hi, > > As the election process is on, I am reluctant to have the meeting > tomorrow. (Second Sunday as fixed in the previous meeting) > How about the third sunday of this month? That is 21th Dec 3UTC. > > Will try my best to attend, that's just a day after our release party in my hometown.. will report at the meeting :) -- http://john.chendra.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mspevack at redhat.com Sat Dec 13 13:31:53 2008 From: mspevack at redhat.com (Max Spevack) Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 14:31:53 +0100 (CET) Subject: Fedora EMEA e.V. (was: Re: [Ambassadors] Re: What Fedora makes sucking for me - or why I am NOT Fedora) In-Reply-To: <20081212173640.GA1337@hurricane.linuxnetz.de> References: <20081209002540.GA25637@hurricane.linuxnetz.de> <39317.VwBUX1dRCno=.1228816270.squirrel@webmail.no-log.org> <1229035645.3381.103.camel@wicktop.localdomain> <20081212173640.GA1337@hurricane.linuxnetz.de> Message-ID: On Fri, 12 Dec 2008, Robert Scheck wrote: > you wrote, that you liked it very much see the board of the NPO only > with non-Red Hat community members. It sounds a bit, that you're no > unhappy with the situation now? > > I only can speak for myself, but I think, you're doing a good job and > you are connecting the NPO with Red Hat (seen as our biggest sponsor) > more than a non-Red Hat community member IMHO could do. Of course we > all don't know, how it looks in the future, but I also can only speak > for the past and for the moment. I am fine with the situation as it is. I was simply looking for feedback, because I want to continue to make sure that our entire community in EMEA is collectively happy with the way things are. Red Hat will continue to sponsor Fedora, and Fedora EMEA e.V., regardless of whether or not there is a RH employee as one of the "leaders" of the group. As much as I can, I just want to make sure that everyone is happy. --Max From prakhar at fedoraproject.org Sat Dec 13 15:52:51 2008 From: prakhar at fedoraproject.org (Prakhar Agarwal) Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 21:22:51 +0530 Subject: [Ambassadors] JIIT WAP-2008 event reports!!! Message-ID: Hi guys!! Apologies for the delay. I have finally found a work around to access my hard drives which were long incarcerated in a dumb(down) PC. JIIT WAP Event: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FedoraEvents/ReleaseParty/F10/Noida Reports are available here: http://prakhar.miniorb.in/blog/?p=23 I hope they give an insight into what happened during our workshop. Some more reports are in the progress and for that I have encouraged students to be volunteers. I will try to incorporate something from each one and prepare a final draft and post it on my blog mentioned above. Comments are welcome! Cheers! -- Prakhar Agarwal Linux User# 474643 http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Prakhar "Life is the greatest teacher" -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From vaish.rajan at gmail.com Sat Dec 13 16:12:16 2008 From: vaish.rajan at gmail.com (rajan vaish) Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 21:42:16 +0530 Subject: [Ambassadors] JIIT WAP-2008 event reports!!! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8140ab7e0812130812i988a30ck1a00a7203a4f3a8d@mail.gmail.com> I was one of the witness of the event,and response was truly awesome ..Many students were curious to learn Linux and know more about it.Many totally formatted their computer to become "only Linux" person. I saw that Prakhar has a great reputation in the University and his talks were inspiring students, from what I saw,I see the number of students increasing in future. Good work Prakhar,getting 150 students for Fedora is an awesome contribution and it becomes even more valuable when people get to know that you did it all during your 15 credits Final year Project presentation preparation. You Rock ! Rajan Vaish http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Vaishrajan 2008/12/13 Prakhar Agarwal > Hi guys!! > Apologies for the delay. I have finally found a work around to access my > hard drives which were long incarcerated in a dumb(down) PC. > > JIIT WAP Event: > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FedoraEvents/ReleaseParty/F10/Noida > Reports are available here: http://prakhar.miniorb.in/blog/?p=23 > > I hope they give an insight into what happened during our workshop. Some > more reports are in the progress and for that I have encouraged students to > be volunteers. I will try to incorporate something from each one and prepare > a final draft and post it on my blog mentioned above. Comments are welcome! > > Cheers! > -- > Prakhar Agarwal > Linux User# 474643 > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Prakhar > "Life is the greatest teacher" > > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Dezember 2008 12:53:05 schrieb nihed mbarek: > > Fedora Tunisia will organise tomorow a release party for fedora 10. > > Local website are dispatch information : > > and more surprise for tomorow, > > i can not wait to see more! ;) > > cu Joerg > -- > Joerg (kital) Simon > jsimon at fedoraproject.org > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/JoergSimon > http://kitall.blogspot.com > Key Fingerprint: > 3691 0989 2DCA 58A2 8D1F 2CAC C823 558E 5B5B 5688 > > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > > -- M'BAREK Med Nihed, Analyst Revenue Assurance http://www.nihed.com Fedora Ambassador, TUNISIA, Northern Africa Association for Computing Machinery Member PUB 1024D/FCC5B291 2006-02-28 [expires: 2008-12-27] FPR 16A4 AC3F 0B84 B3D1 A0E5 9BCC AD13 0DAE FCC5 B291 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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It would be nice to put in place a rawhide (or a given release) within Tunisia so that people can update their machines quickly, i.e without having to download all the packages from distant servers. What do you think about this idea? The average Tunisian guy is behind a 256 kbps ADSL which is slow compared to the other countries. And having a local mirror is definitely a very good idea. Can you propagate this idea to maximum interested people in your entourage? Regards, Ilyes Gouta. nihed mbarek wrote: > Hi, > For this release party we create an ftp server with fedora everything, > update, rpm fusion free and nonfree for 64 bit and 32 bit. We also provide > livecd of fedora 10. Some drinks are offered for ours guests. > Photo are available on this link : > http://picasaweb.google.com/nihedmm/FedoraReleaseParty# > > > > Thank You > > > 2008/12/12 JoergSimon > >> Am Freitag, 12. Dezember 2008 12:53:05 schrieb nihed mbarek: >>> Fedora Tunisia will organise tomorow a release party for fedora 10. >>> Local website are dispatch information : >>> and more surprise for tomorow, >> i can not wait to see more! ;) >> >> cu Joerg >> -- >> Joerg (kital) Simon >> jsimon at fedoraproject.org >> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/JoergSimon >> http://kitall.blogspot.com >> Key Fingerprint: >> 3691 0989 2DCA 58A2 8D1F 2CAC C823 558E 5B5B 5688 >> >> -- >> Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list >> Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list >> >> > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list From nihedmm at gmail.com Sat Dec 13 17:12:54 2008 From: nihedmm at gmail.com (nihed mbarek) Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 18:12:54 +0100 Subject: [Ambassadors] Fedora Release party Tunisia In-Reply-To: <4943E99A.2090902@gmail.com> References: <5bddd8fd0812120353t4e0204f5h3fa7ba782a75efc2@mail.gmail.com> <200812121616.45160.jsimon@fedoraproject.org> <5bddd8fd0812130827s700ac9fey89a5525788769b8d@mail.gmail.com> <4943E99A.2090902@gmail.com> Message-ID: <5bddd8fd0812130912q2038b821x42d0f7b56ca3cf1a@mail.gmail.com> Hi Ilyes, A fedora local server was deployed on Iset Charguia :) for student at this faculty. Esprit another faculty want this service. Any faculty that want that can contact me or other fedora tunisia members to make necessary job. Best regards On Sat, Dec 13, 2008 at 5:58 PM, Ilyes Gouta wrote: > Hi Nihed, > > This is Ilyes Gouta, we met during a previous Ubuntu event in the "Parc > Technologique El-Ghazala" 2 months ago, do you remember? I asked you if you > had rawhide DVDs available so that I can update my machine quickly :) and > talked about webcams, X server and kernel driver. Congratulation for the > party. > > I just wanted to ask you if the FTP server you put in place for the party > is a available for the Tunisian, fedora-lovin' people or not? Is it going to > be a permanent server or not? It would be nice to put in place a rawhide (or > a given release) within Tunisia so that people can update their machines > quickly, i.e without having to download all the packages from distant > servers. What do you think about this idea? The average Tunisian guy is > behind a 256 kbps ADSL which is slow compared to the other countries. And > having a local mirror is definitely a very good idea. > > Can you propagate this idea to maximum interested people in your entourage? > > Regards, > Ilyes Gouta. > > nihed mbarek wrote: > >> Hi, >> For this release party we create an ftp server with fedora everything, >> update, rpm fusion free and nonfree for 64 bit and 32 bit. We also provide >> livecd of fedora 10. Some drinks are offered for ours guests. >> Photo are available on this link : >> http://picasaweb.google.com/nihedmm/FedoraReleaseParty# >> >> >> >> Thank You >> >> >> 2008/12/12 JoergSimon >> >> Am Freitag, 12. Dezember 2008 12:53:05 schrieb nihed mbarek: >>> >>>> Fedora Tunisia will organise tomorow a release party for fedora 10. >>>> Local website are dispatch information : >>>> and more surprise for tomorow, >>>> >>> i can not wait to see more! ;) >>> >>> cu Joerg >>> -- >>> Joerg (kital) Simon >>> jsimon at fedoraproject.org >>> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/JoergSimon >>> http://kitall.blogspot.com >>> Key Fingerprint: >>> 3691 0989 2DCA 58A2 8D1F 2CAC C823 558E 5B5B 5688 >>> >>> -- >>> Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list >>> Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com >>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> -- >> Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list >> Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list >> > -- M'BAREK Med Nihed, Analyst Revenue Assurance http://www.nihed.com Fedora Ambassador, TUNISIA, Northern Africa Association for Computing Machinery Member PUB 1024D/FCC5B291 2006-02-28 [expires: 2008-12-27] FPR 16A4 AC3F 0B84 B3D1 A0E5 9BCC AD13 0DAE FCC5 B291 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Thanks. -- Regards, Susmit. ============================================= ssh 0x86DD170A http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/user:susmit ============================================= From prakhar at fedoraproject.org Sun Dec 14 18:27:46 2008 From: prakhar at fedoraproject.org (Prakhar Agarwal) Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 23:57:46 +0530 Subject: [Ambassadors] Re: JIIT WAP-2008 event reports!!! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Sun, Dec 14, 2008 at 10:25 AM, susmit shannigrahi < thinklinux.ssh at gmail.com> wrote: > > > That's great. > But it would be nice to have the pictures, if any. > Thanks. > > Hey, we do have some pics. They are distributed on 2-3 cameras. I will compile and post soon. Cheers! -- Prakhar Agarwal Linux User# 474643 http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Prakhar "Life is the greatest teacher" -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Pictures of the event coming up soon. ty. cheers, Debjit From thomas.canniot at mrtomlinux.org Sun Dec 14 21:44:37 2008 From: thomas.canniot at mrtomlinux.org (Thomas Canniot) Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 22:44:37 +0100 Subject: [Ambassadors] REMINDER French Meeting today 1930UTC #fedora-meeting Message-ID: <20081214224437.37e82074@mrtomlinux.org> This mail is a reminder for today?s meeting for French ambassadors and _every_ interested people. 2008-12-14 / 19:30 UTC IRC: freenode #fedora-meeting Ce mail est un rappel pour la r?union des ambassadeurs francophones, qui aura lieu ce dimanche (14 d?c.) ? 20h30 heure de Paris sur IRC (freenode) #fedora-meeting . L'ordre du jour est disponible depuis cette page : http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/FrenchTeam/Reunions N'h?sitez pas ? le modifier pour rajouter des sujets qui vous semblent int?ressants. Thomas Canniot -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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So please add your stuff there to complete this page a bit more. best regards Henrik Heigl - wonderer at fedoraproject.org From thomas.canniot at mrtomlinux.org Sun Dec 14 09:06:21 2008 From: thomas.canniot at mrtomlinux.org (Thomas Canniot) Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 10:06:21 +0100 Subject: [Ambassadors] REMINDER French Meeting today 1930UTC #fedora-meeting Message-ID: <20081214100621.03350459@mrtomlinux.org> This mail is a reminder for today?s meeting for French ambassadors and _every_ interested people. 2008-12-14 / 19:30 UTC IRC: freenode #fedora-meeting Ce mail est un rappel pour la r?union des ambassadeurs francophones, qui aura lieu ce dimanche (14 d?c.) ? 20h30 heure de Paris sur IRC (freenode) #fedora-meeting . L'ordre du jour est disponible depuis cette page : http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/FrenchTeam/Reunions N'h?sitez pas ? le modifier pour rajouter des sujets qui vous semblent int?ressants. Thomas Canniot -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 197 bytes Desc: not available URL: From fzied at dottn.com Mon Dec 15 07:46:19 2008 From: fzied at dottn.com (Zied Fakhfakh) Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 08:46:19 +0100 Subject: [Ambassadors] Fedora Release party Tunisia In-Reply-To: <4943E99A.2090902@gmail.com> References: <5bddd8fd0812120353t4e0204f5h3fa7ba782a75efc2@mail.gmail.com> <200812121616.45160.jsimon@fedoraproject.org> <5bddd8fd0812130827s700ac9fey89a5525788769b8d@mail.gmail.com> <4943E99A.2090902@gmail.com> Message-ID: <436bc6ca0812142346u78b5df05gdeb335369962fa15@mail.gmail.com> Hi, As for a Tunisian MIrror of Fedora, we are building a server, an IBM Express Q550, dual PPC64 processors. The actual HDD storage capacity, is 2x73G. we need more. and we need hosting fees. The ISET charguia Mirror, is for private use. but as Nihed said, any institution who wants to build a private or public mirror, we can glady help (in Tunisia). kind regards, Zied. On Sat, Dec 13, 2008 at 5:58 PM, Ilyes Gouta wrote: > Hi Nihed, > > This is Ilyes Gouta, we met during a previous Ubuntu event in the "Parc > Technologique El-Ghazala" 2 months ago, do you remember? I asked you if you > had rawhide DVDs available so that I can update my machine quickly :) and > talked about webcams, X server and kernel driver. Congratulation for the > party. > > I just wanted to ask you if the FTP server you put in place for the party is > a available for the Tunisian, fedora-lovin' people or not? Is it going to be > a permanent server or not? It would be nice to put in place a rawhide (or a > given release) within Tunisia so that people can update their machines > quickly, i.e without having to download all the packages from distant > servers. What do you think about this idea? The average Tunisian guy is > behind a 256 kbps ADSL which is slow compared to the other countries. And > having a local mirror is definitely a very good idea. > > Can you propagate this idea to maximum interested people in your entourage? > > Regards, > Ilyes Gouta. > > nihed mbarek wrote: >> >> Hi, >> For this release party we create an ftp server with fedora everything, >> update, rpm fusion free and nonfree for 64 bit and 32 bit. We also provide >> livecd of fedora 10. Some drinks are offered for ours guests. >> Photo are available on this link : >> http://picasaweb.google.com/nihedmm/FedoraReleaseParty# >> >> >> >> Thank You >> >> >> 2008/12/12 JoergSimon >> >>> Am Freitag, 12. Dezember 2008 12:53:05 schrieb nihed mbarek: >>>> >>>> Fedora Tunisia will organise tomorow a release party for fedora 10. >>>> Local website are dispatch information : >>>> and more surprise for tomorow, >>> >>> i can not wait to see more! ;) >>> >>> cu Joerg >>> -- >>> Joerg (kital) Simon >>> jsimon at fedoraproject.org >>> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/JoergSimon >>> http://kitall.blogspot.com >>> Key Fingerprint: >>> 3691 0989 2DCA 58A2 8D1F 2CAC C823 558E 5B5B 5688 >>> >>> -- >>> Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list >>> Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com >>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list >>> >>> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> -- >> Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list >> Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > -- Zied Fakhfakh Dot TN - CTO Centre Molka, Esc E, Bur 17 Manar 2 - 2092 - Tunis Tunisia From ilyes.gouta at gmail.com Mon Dec 15 09:05:33 2008 From: ilyes.gouta at gmail.com (Ilyes Gouta) Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 10:05:33 +0100 Subject: [Ambassadors] Fedora Release party Tunisia In-Reply-To: <436bc6ca0812142346u78b5df05gdeb335369962fa15@mail.gmail.com> References: <5bddd8fd0812120353t4e0204f5h3fa7ba782a75efc2@mail.gmail.com> <200812121616.45160.jsimon@fedoraproject.org> <5bddd8fd0812130827s700ac9fey89a5525788769b8d@mail.gmail.com> <4943E99A.2090902@gmail.com> <436bc6ca0812142346u78b5df05gdeb335369962fa15@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <234fa2210812150105r55fa5a38la4801eb41cab3481@mail.gmail.com> Hi, When would such a service become available for the public consumption? :) Does funding constitute a short term issue? What about Internet bandwidth? We can configure such a server (initially) to be accessible only from within Tunisia, this would reduce the hosting costs required by l'ATI. Regards, Ilyes Gouta. On Mon, Dec 15, 2008 at 8:46 AM, Zied Fakhfakh wrote: > Hi, > > As for a Tunisian MIrror of Fedora, we are building a server, an IBM > Express Q550, dual PPC64 processors. > > The actual HDD storage capacity, is 2x73G. we need more. > and we need hosting fees. > > The ISET charguia Mirror, is for private use. but as Nihed said, any > institution who wants to build a private or public mirror, we can > glady help (in Tunisia). > > kind regards, > Zied. > > > > On Sat, Dec 13, 2008 at 5:58 PM, Ilyes Gouta wrote: >> Hi Nihed, >> >> This is Ilyes Gouta, we met during a previous Ubuntu event in the "Parc >> Technologique El-Ghazala" 2 months ago, do you remember? I asked you if you >> had rawhide DVDs available so that I can update my machine quickly :) and >> talked about webcams, X server and kernel driver. Congratulation for the >> party. >> >> I just wanted to ask you if the FTP server you put in place for the party is >> a available for the Tunisian, fedora-lovin' people or not? Is it going to be >> a permanent server or not? It would be nice to put in place a rawhide (or a >> given release) within Tunisia so that people can update their machines >> quickly, i.e without having to download all the packages from distant >> servers. What do you think about this idea? The average Tunisian guy is >> behind a 256 kbps ADSL which is slow compared to the other countries. And >> having a local mirror is definitely a very good idea. >> >> Can you propagate this idea to maximum interested people in your entourage? >> >> Regards, >> Ilyes Gouta. >> >> nihed mbarek wrote: >>> >>> Hi, >>> For this release party we create an ftp server with fedora everything, >>> update, rpm fusion free and nonfree for 64 bit and 32 bit. We also provide >>> livecd of fedora 10. Some drinks are offered for ours guests. >>> Photo are available on this link : >>> http://picasaweb.google.com/nihedmm/FedoraReleaseParty# >>> >>> >>> >>> Thank You >>> >>> >>> 2008/12/12 JoergSimon >>> >>>> Am Freitag, 12. Dezember 2008 12:53:05 schrieb nihed mbarek: >>>>> >>>>> Fedora Tunisia will organise tomorow a release party for fedora 10. >>>>> Local website are dispatch information : >>>>> and more surprise for tomorow, >>>> >>>> i can not wait to see more! ;) >>>> >>>> cu Joerg >>>> -- >>>> Joerg (kital) Simon >>>> jsimon at fedoraproject.org >>>> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/JoergSimon >>>> http://kitall.blogspot.com >>>> Key Fingerprint: >>>> 3691 0989 2DCA 58A2 8D1F 2CAC C823 558E 5B5B 5688 >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list >>>> Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com >>>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>> >>> -- >>> Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list >>> Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com >>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list >> >> -- >> Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list >> Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list >> > > > > -- > Zied Fakhfakh > Dot TN - CTO > Centre Molka, Esc E, Bur 17 > Manar 2 - 2092 - Tunis > Tunisia > > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > From mspevack at redhat.com Mon Dec 15 10:16:00 2008 From: mspevack at redhat.com (Max Spevack) Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 11:16:00 +0100 (CET) Subject: [Ambassadors] FOSDEM hotel & lodging Message-ID: Hi Ambassadors, I'm working on a little bit of re-organization of the FOSDEM pages on the wiki today, in order to help Frederic out. The first thing that I would like people to do is update this page (just follow the information on the table) with their lodging information. https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FedoraEvents/FOSDEM/Accommodation Stay tuned for more information about FOSDEM. Thanks, Max From electromech at electromech.info Mon Dec 15 10:46:20 2008 From: electromech at electromech.info (ElectroMech) Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 16:16:20 +0530 Subject: [Ambassadors] [suggestion]Project for college student Message-ID: <24233aca0812150246x7d051ddbw92c5b15a9091a3b2@mail.gmail.com> Dear All, We offer different projects to college student as a part of their studies. They can work for 3-4 month at our place. Every year 6 to 8 students do their project with us. ( If required it can be upto 12 student also ). How to encourage or involve them in to Fedora development projects. Or who is the right person to contact for this activities. Presently as we do all admin work for manage service we offer projects only on networking. As example. OpenNMS, Clustering configuration and performance testing ( Fail over, LVS, Heart beat etc) SMS server Bandwidth management. Backup service Thanks waiting for your valuable suggestion. -- -- Nilesh Vaghela ElectroMech Redhat Channel Partner and Training Partner 16, Sun Rise complex, Nr. Mansi cross Road, Satellite Rd, Ahmedabad 25, The Emperor, Fatehgunj, Baroda. www.electromech.info -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nihedmm at gmail.com Mon Dec 15 10:59:39 2008 From: nihedmm at gmail.com (nihed mbarek) Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 11:59:39 +0100 Subject: [Ambassadors] Fedora Release party Tunisia In-Reply-To: <234fa2210812150105r55fa5a38la4801eb41cab3481@mail.gmail.com> References: <5bddd8fd0812120353t4e0204f5h3fa7ba782a75efc2@mail.gmail.com> <200812121616.45160.jsimon@fedoraproject.org> <5bddd8fd0812130827s700ac9fey89a5525788769b8d@mail.gmail.com> <4943E99A.2090902@gmail.com> <436bc6ca0812142346u78b5df05gdeb335369962fa15@mail.gmail.com> <234fa2210812150105r55fa5a38la4801eb41cab3481@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <5bddd8fd0812150259x775a1c7cqf1f015c7361e8cf1@mail.gmail.com> New link with photos http://www.gnet.tn/net-informatique/logiciel-libres-lancement-de-fedora-10-en-tunisie/id-menu-473.html On Mon, Dec 15, 2008 at 10:05 AM, Ilyes Gouta wrote: > Hi, > > When would such a service become available for the public consumption? :) > Does funding constitute a short term issue? What about Internet bandwidth? > > We can configure such a server (initially) to be accessible only from > within Tunisia, this would reduce the hosting costs required by l'ATI. > > Regards, > Ilyes Gouta. > > On Mon, Dec 15, 2008 at 8:46 AM, Zied Fakhfakh wrote: > > Hi, > > > > As for a Tunisian MIrror of Fedora, we are building a server, an IBM > > Express Q550, dual PPC64 processors. > > > > The actual HDD storage capacity, is 2x73G. we need more. > > and we need hosting fees. > > > > The ISET charguia Mirror, is for private use. but as Nihed said, any > > institution who wants to build a private or public mirror, we can > > glady help (in Tunisia). > > > > kind regards, > > Zied. > > > > > > > > On Sat, Dec 13, 2008 at 5:58 PM, Ilyes Gouta > wrote: > >> Hi Nihed, > >> > >> This is Ilyes Gouta, we met during a previous Ubuntu event in the "Parc > >> Technologique El-Ghazala" 2 months ago, do you remember? I asked you if > you > >> had rawhide DVDs available so that I can update my machine quickly :) > and > >> talked about webcams, X server and kernel driver. Congratulation for the > >> party. > >> > >> I just wanted to ask you if the FTP server you put in place for the > party is > >> a available for the Tunisian, fedora-lovin' people or not? Is it going > to be > >> a permanent server or not? It would be nice to put in place a rawhide > (or a > >> given release) within Tunisia so that people can update their machines > >> quickly, i.e without having to download all the packages from distant > >> servers. What do you think about this idea? The average Tunisian guy is > >> behind a 256 kbps ADSL which is slow compared to the other countries. > And > >> having a local mirror is definitely a very good idea. > >> > >> Can you propagate this idea to maximum interested people in your > entourage? > >> > >> Regards, > >> Ilyes Gouta. > >> > >> nihed mbarek wrote: > >>> > >>> Hi, > >>> For this release party we create an ftp server with fedora everything, > >>> update, rpm fusion free and nonfree for 64 bit and 32 bit. We also > provide > >>> livecd of fedora 10. Some drinks are offered for ours guests. > >>> Photo are available on this link : > >>> http://picasaweb.google.com/nihedmm/FedoraReleaseParty# > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> Thank You > >>> > >>> > >>> 2008/12/12 JoergSimon > >>> > >>>> Am Freitag, 12. Dezember 2008 12:53:05 schrieb nihed mbarek: > >>>>> > >>>>> Fedora Tunisia will organise tomorow a release party for fedora 10. > >>>>> Local website are dispatch information : > >>>>> and more surprise for tomorow, > >>>> > >>>> i can not wait to see more! ;) > >>>> > >>>> cu Joerg > >>>> -- > >>>> Joerg (kital) Simon > >>>> jsimon at fedoraproject.org > >>>> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/JoergSimon > >>>> http://kitall.blogspot.com > >>>> Key Fingerprint: > >>>> 3691 0989 2DCA 58A2 8D1F 2CAC C823 558E 5B5B 5688 > >>>> > >>>> -- > >>>> Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > >>>> Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > >>>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > >>>> > >>>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >>> > >>> -- > >>> Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > >>> Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > >>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > >> > >> -- > >> Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > >> Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > >> > > > > > > > > -- > > Zied Fakhfakh > > Dot TN - CTO > > Centre Molka, Esc E, Bur 17 > > Manar 2 - 2092 - Tunis > > Tunisia > > > > -- > > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > > > > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > -- M'BAREK Med Nihed, Analyst Revenue Assurance http://www.nihed.com Fedora Ambassador, TUNISIA, Northern Africa Association for Computing Machinery Member PUB 1024D/FCC5B291 2006-02-28 [expires: 2008-12-27] FPR 16A4 AC3F 0B84 B3D1 A0E5 9BCC AD13 0DAE FCC5 B291 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mspevack at redhat.com Mon Dec 15 11:27:29 2008 From: mspevack at redhat.com (Max Spevack) Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 12:27:29 +0100 (CET) Subject: [Ambassadors] FOSDEM wiki updated Message-ID: Hi everyone, I have updated the FOSDEM wiki pages: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FedoraEvents/FOSDEM/FOSDEM2009 https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FedoraEvents/FOSDEM/Accommodation The main FOSDEM page has been updated so that the top of the page includes: * Signup for booth duty & attendance. * Signup to bring something that we need. * Signup to speak in the dev room. In particular, we need people to sign up to speak in the dev room. IF YOU ARE GOING TO ATTEND FOSDEM, PLEASE ADD YOUR INFORMATION TO THE MAIN PAGE AND THE ACCOMODATION PAGE. Thanks, Max From mspevack at redhat.com Mon Dec 15 14:31:01 2008 From: mspevack at redhat.com (Max Spevack) Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 15:31:01 +0100 (CET) Subject: [Ambassadors] Re: spending our Q4 money (README) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Mon, 8 Dec 2008, Max Spevack wrote: > (2) Give regions the resources that they need to create swag, CDs, and > any sort of marketing materials that the regional leadership wants. > The hope is that all the stuff created can last for the entirety of > the Fedora 10 release cycle, or reusable resources that folks need. > In short, long-term planning with short-term money. > > NA -- From an event perspective, Q4 is a bunch of smaller events, so > in my mind I set aside about $2,000 for that. I'd like to set aside > another $5,000 USD for the NA leadership to tell me the best way to > spend it. Some of it is already allocated for the purchase of > stickers in NA that Mairin Duffy is taking care of. Hey NA Ambassadors -- help me spend this money. I'd like to figure out what we want to do with most of it before we all disappear for Christmas. How can we spend a few thousand now to set you guys up for the next few months in terms of re-usable resources and/or swag? Clint, I know you sent me an email about CDs recently that I haven't written back to -- why don't you guys who are leading things up in NA ping me some time on IRC and we can brainstorm if need be. > LATAM doesn't have any events at all in Q4, but I'd still like to get > about $3,000 USD spent on our behalf in that region, just to start to > get shirts, stickers, posters, or whatever stuff they'll need as next > year's conference season gets started. I expect that we'll spend more > money on LATAM in the early parts of next year's budget. Rodrigo, I desparately need your guidance here. I also need to know when FISL will be in 2009, and what you're thinking you want to make Fedora's goals for that show. > APAC -- I'd like to let Harish Pillay take charge (from Singapore) of > getting a bunch of Fedora swag made up and available for distribution > in that region to our Ambassadors. For this, and also for funding > some of the events currently in that region, I'm allocating about > $3,000. Also looking for some guidance here. One thing we've been discussing is trying to get some of our APAC ambassadors together at an event like OSSPAC, or something else in Singapore. Separate this potential money from money to be spent in India. I'd like to hear from some of our APAC Ambassadors what they'd like to do with the money. Is Charles Peng on this list? I see him a lot on Planet Fedora, and I'd like to hear any of his thoughts. ========= In general, I'm afraid that if we don't make responsible plans for how to spend this money, the quarter will trickle on by and we'll miss the chance to set ourselves up with resources that we need for 2009. thanks, Max From fedora at romal.de Mon Dec 15 14:34:24 2008 From: fedora at romal.de (Robert M. Albrecht) Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 15:34:24 +0100 Subject: [Ambassadors] FAD EMEA 2008 In-Reply-To: <49458B85.80504@gmx.de> References: <49458B85.80504@gmx.de> Message-ID: <49466AF0.3030903@romal.de> Hi, I saw on the FAD wiki page, there was a discussion on Cebit 2009 planned ? Are there any meeting minutes ? btw. Systems fair does not exist anymore. cu romal From rdsharma4u at gmail.com Mon Dec 15 14:34:40 2008 From: rdsharma4u at gmail.com (Ravi D. Sharma) Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 20:04:40 +0530 Subject: [Ambassadors] Media for Indian ambassadors shipped. In-Reply-To: <154613.84133.qm@web95413.mail.in2.yahoo.com> References: <154613.84133.qm@web95413.mail.in2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hello Susmit, Thanks buddy i got the media before 4 days, regards, R.D.Sharma 2008/12/11 rishi setiya > Thanks For the DVD's > > Regards > Rishi > > ------------------------------ > Get rid of Add-Ons in your email ID. Get yourname at rocketmail.com. Sign up > now! > > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > > -- R.D. Sharma --------------------------------------------- Lecturer, Bioinformatics, Department of Microbiology C.C.S. University,Meerut,India ----------------------------------------------- -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Mon, Dec 15, 2008 at 3:44 PM, susmit shannigrahi wrote: > Can anyone please let me know where the *closed* freemedia form resides? > A code dump will also do for me. > But this is urgent and I need it desperately. > Thanks. > > -- > Regards, > Susmit. > Personally I don't know. I'm not sure maybe it gone lost with MediaWiki migration. But as I say, I could be wrong. You should try to get in touch with Thomas Chung. Regards Francesco Ugolini From mspevack at redhat.com Mon Dec 15 14:51:28 2008 From: mspevack at redhat.com (Max Spevack) Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 15:51:28 +0100 (CET) Subject: [Ambassadors] FAD EMEA 2008 In-Reply-To: <49466AF0.3030903@romal.de> References: <49458B85.80504@gmx.de> <49466AF0.3030903@romal.de> Message-ID: On Mon, 15 Dec 2008, Robert M. Albrecht wrote: > I saw on the FAD wiki page, there was a discussion on Cebit 2009 > planned ? Are there any meeting minutes ? There is nothing "major" planned for Cebit. If a few Fedora folks are going and want to organize a booth, we will be happy to fund it the same way we do other events, but it won't be one of the "big" EMEA events for next year, mostly because we feel like Fedora is competing with so much other stuff for attention at an event like Cebit. --Max From stickster at gmail.com Mon Dec 15 14:52:25 2008 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 09:52:25 -0500 Subject: [Ambassadors] Re: spending our Q4 money (README) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20081215145225.GA26941@localhost.localdomain> On Mon, Dec 15, 2008 at 03:31:01PM +0100, Max Spevack wrote: > On Mon, 8 Dec 2008, Max Spevack wrote: > >> (2) Give regions the resources that they need to create swag, CDs, and >> any sort of marketing materials that the regional leadership wants. >> The hope is that all the stuff created can last for the entirety of >> the Fedora 10 release cycle, or reusable resources that folks need. In >> short, long-term planning with short-term money. >> >> NA -- From an event perspective, Q4 is a bunch of smaller events, so >> in my mind I set aside about $2,000 for that. I'd like to set aside >> another $5,000 USD for the NA leadership to tell me the best way to >> spend it. Some of it is already allocated for the purchase of >> stickers in NA that Mairin Duffy is taking care of. > > Hey NA Ambassadors -- help me spend this money. I'd like to figure out > what we want to do with most of it before we all disappear for > Christmas. How can we spend a few thousand now to set you guys up for > the next few months in terms of re-usable resources and/or swag? Clint, I > know you sent me an email about CDs recently that I haven't written back > to -- why don't you guys who are leading things up in NA ping me some > time on IRC and we can brainstorm if need be. One possibility I had previously raised with the NA guys was purchasing a nicer backdrop for our "big" shows, to give a more polished, professional appearance. Expenditures that help our appearance should take a back seat to those that help produce more substantial project growth. Nevertheless it would be nice to have a booth setup that is self-contained and free-standing. -- Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Well, things like this -- investment in resources that can be used at multiple events during the coming calendar year -- is exactly what I'm hoping to spend some of the Q4 budget on. This is a lighter quarter for events, and therefore if we purchase the stuff that we need for events, when the heavy event quarters come back around next year, we'll have more money for travel and things like that. I want to invest in the infrastructure of Ambassadors while we have the chance to. --Max From nacross at gmail.com Mon Dec 15 15:37:56 2008 From: nacross at gmail.com (Neville A. Cross) Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 09:37:56 -0600 Subject: [Ambassadors] Location of closed freemedia form. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Mon, Dec 15, 2008 at 8:44 AM, susmit shannigrahi wrote: > Can anyone please let me know where the *closed* freemedia form resides? > A code dump will also do for me. > But this is urgent and I need it desperately. > Thanks. > It only says: "Fedora Free Media Request Form CLOSED" you can find it at: http://fedoranews.org/form/FreeMedia.html Best regards -- Neville https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Yn1v Linux User # 473217 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Check: http://www.clickmanagua.com - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - From bpowell01 at gmail.com Mon Dec 15 15:46:48 2008 From: bpowell01 at gmail.com (Brian Powell) Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 10:46:48 -0500 Subject: [Ambassadors] Fedora Presentation and F10 Release Party / InstallFest Event Reports Message-ID: <96365e610812150746s1450e6d9kb335167a75d2d2d3@mail.gmail.com> I have had a pretty busy past week so please forgive me if I am a little late in reporting these. --------------------------------------- On Monday December 8th, 2008 I gave a Fedora presentation at ITT Technical Institute in Harrisburg PA to 2 different groups of students throughout the day (the overall total was around 55 or 60). The entire group consisted of Multi-Media, Programming, Criminal Justice and Networking students. ITT Technical Institute already is utilizing Fedora in their Networking curriculum (currently Fedora 8). My presentation was geared mainly towards how students could build experience and a work portfolio while going to school by contributing to Fedora as well as some of the new features of F10 and I also did a small presentation on the XO and OLPC program. The presentation was well received in fact I was invited by the IT Chair to do another presentation in the upcoming Spring semester. I collected quite a number of email addresses of interested students that I am currently following up with on becoming possible contributors. --------------------------------------- This past weekend I held a Fedora F10 Release Party and InstallFest with the WNYLug (http://wnylug.org). I presented to the group (around 23) about the Fedora Project and how they could join to become contributors. During the event I created quite a few F10 Live-USB keys and assisted with new installations of F10 on laptops and desktop that were brought in by the attendees and any other questions that they had with existing installations. Special thanks to the WNYLug (who has only been in existence since Oct 2008) for making this event a huge success and helping out with burning install media and live-cd's. Pics from this event will be posted shortly on the WNYlug site (http://wnylug.org) -- Regards, BrianPowell http://fedoraproject.org http://wnylug.org From shekhawat.anirudh at gmail.com Mon Dec 15 17:31:13 2008 From: shekhawat.anirudh at gmail.com (anirudh shekhawat) Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 23:01:13 +0530 Subject: [Ambassadors] Re: Media for Indian ambassadors shipped. Message-ID: <6145529c0812150931y3684004jf71b952790f4448b@mail.gmail.com> Hi there, I guess i'm late for this but since i was signed/included in the ambassadors group after the process of sending the F-10 media concluded so can you guys still send me the media.I live in Jaipur /India https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Acedip thanking in anticipation From makghosh at fedoraproject.org Mon Dec 15 17:53:15 2008 From: makghosh at fedoraproject.org (Arindam Ghosh) Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 23:23:15 +0530 Subject: [Ambassadors] Media for Indian ambassadors shipped. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8990327d0812150953o22ef331fm4961af664c6b3582@mail.gmail.com> Hi Susmit Media recieved loads of thanks :) --Arindam From jsimon at fedoraproject.org Mon Dec 15 19:54:03 2008 From: jsimon at fedoraproject.org (JoergSimon) Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 20:54:03 +0100 Subject: [Ambassadors] Fedora Ambassadors Welcome Message-ID: <200812152054.03228.jsimon@fedoraproject.org> Dear Ambassadors, let?s welcome our new sponsored Ambassador Group Members: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Valente from Romania https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Amachu from Tamil Nadu, India. https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Elb17090 from Hagerstown, MD, USA Regards Joerg p.s. 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URL: From herlo1 at gmail.com Tue Dec 16 04:35:41 2008 From: herlo1 at gmail.com (Clint Savage) Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 21:35:41 -0700 Subject: [Ambassadors] [Reminder] FAMNA Meeting @ 2008-12-16 9pm EST (02:00 +1 day UTC) Message-ID: This is a reminder for FAMNA Meeting 2008-12-16 9pm EST irc.freenode.net #fedora-meeting (map) Just a quick reminder that we'll be holding our weekly meeting in #fedora-meeting (irc.freenode.net) tonight at 9pm EDT (02:00 UTC) If you are interested in participating, or have something to contribute, feel free to add it to our agenda: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/Meetings/2008-12-16 See you all there! Cheers, Clint From yogesh.bute at gmail.com Tue Dec 16 05:58:55 2008 From: yogesh.bute at gmail.com (Yogesh Bute) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 11:28:55 +0530 Subject: [Ambassadors] Media for Indian ambassadors shipped. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <224ac7ba0812152158i517e90c3v3f57eeef5a7c5466@mail.gmail.com> Susmit, Received both the i368 and the 64 bit DVDs. Hope to do a better job of distribution of Fedora medias in Pune this time around :) Thanks, Yogesh. On Sat, Dec 6, 2008 at 2:39 PM, susmit shannigrahi wrote: > Hi, > > Its my pleasure to let you know that finally the media has been shipped. > Each shipment contains one i386 and one x86_64 F10 DVD. > They will reach you in three days time. > Thanks. > > -- > Regards, > Susmit. > > ============================================= > ssh > 0x86DD170A > http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/user:susmit > ============================================= > > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > From saahil.in at gmail.com Tue Dec 16 12:09:48 2008 From: saahil.in at gmail.com (Saahil Hakimuddin) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 17:39:48 +0530 Subject: [Ambassadors] Media for Indian ambassadors shipped. In-Reply-To: <224ac7ba0812152158i517e90c3v3f57eeef5a7c5466@mail.gmail.com> References: <224ac7ba0812152158i517e90c3v3f57eeef5a7c5466@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: susmit, thanks a lot! recieved them... saahil On Tue, Dec 16, 2008 at 11:28 AM, Yogesh Bute wrote: > Susmit, > Received both the i368 and the 64 bit DVDs. > Hope to do a better job of distribution of Fedora medias in Pune this > time around :) > > Thanks, > Yogesh. > > On Sat, Dec 6, 2008 at 2:39 PM, susmit shannigrahi > wrote: > > Hi, > > > > Its my pleasure to let you know that finally the media has been shipped. > > Each shipment contains one i386 and one x86_64 F10 DVD. > > They will reach you in three days time. > > Thanks. > > > > -- > > Regards, > > Susmit. > > > > ============================================= > > ssh > > 0x86DD170A > > http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/user:susmit > > ============================================= > > > > -- > > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > > > > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jaa at redhat.com Tue Dec 16 12:25:03 2008 From: jaa at redhat.com (Jack Aboutboul) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 07:25:03 -0500 Subject: [Ambassadors] [suggestion]Project for college student In-Reply-To: <24233aca0812150246x7d051ddbw92c5b15a9091a3b2@mail.gmail.com> References: <24233aca0812150246x7d051ddbw92c5b15a9091a3b2@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <49479E1F.5050003@redhat.com> Hello Nilesh, I think I can help and would be glad to aid assist with this. Would you please email me more specifics about the program and maybe we can set up a time to discuss how to drive students in areas of fedora development. Thanks, Jack ElectroMech wrote: > Dear All, > > We offer different projects to college student as a part of their studies. > > They can work for 3-4 month at our place. > > Every year 6 to 8 students do their project with us. ( If required it > can be upto 12 student also ). > > How to encourage or involve them in to Fedora development projects. > > Or who is the right person to contact for this activities. > > Presently as we do all admin work for manage service we offer projects > only on networking. > > As example. > > OpenNMS, > Clustering configuration and performance testing ( Fail over, LVS, > Heart beat etc) > SMS server > Bandwidth management. > Backup service > > Thanks waiting for your valuable suggestion. > > -- > > -- > Nilesh Vaghela > ElectroMech > Redhat Channel Partner and Training Partner > 16, Sun Rise complex, > Nr. Mansi cross Road, > Satellite Rd, Ahmedabad > 25, The Emperor, Fatehgunj, Baroda. > www.electromech.info > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > From mspevack at redhat.com Tue Dec 16 12:46:34 2008 From: mspevack at redhat.com (Max Spevack) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 13:46:34 +0100 (CET) Subject: [Ambassadors] exciting news for Fedora in LATAM Message-ID: Re-posting from my blog: http://spevack.livejournal.com/70806.html It's my pleasure to inform the Fedora community that our long-time LATAM community superstar, Rodrigo Padula, has accepted a job with Red Hat's LATAM marketing team, and will officially get his red fedora on February 2nd. Rodrigo has been leading Fedora's event organization, community building, and OLPC efforts in that region of the world for about 4 years now, and I've always been impressed with his organizational skills and commitment to Fedora and free software. I have not had the opportunity to meet Rodrigo in person, but Greg and Dennis traveled to FISL last year and had an excellent experience. I'm really excited that Rodrigo has accepted this job, because it is another step in achieving the Community Architecture team's goal of ensuring that each region of the world has someone within Red Hat who is their primary point of contact for Fedora and community related activities. I firmly believe that the more we can push accountability, authority, and budget to local regions of our community, the more successful it will be, and the faster it will grow. Rodrigo's hire also gives Red Hat another person in the region who can serve as an evangelist, community builder, and open source advocate not just for Fedora, but for the entire company. We're going to be looking to Rodrigo for his advice and thoughts on the best time and place to organize our first FUDCon LATAM somewhere in 2009. Congratulations to Rodrigo on joining the Red Hat family. --Max From foss.mailinglists at gmail.com Tue Dec 16 13:01:08 2008 From: foss.mailinglists at gmail.com (Sankarshan Mukhopadhyay) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 18:31:08 +0530 Subject: [Ambassadors] exciting news for Fedora in LATAM In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <35586fc00812160501g10ee0e9fjd3cec94c339375ed@mail.gmail.com> On Tue, Dec 16, 2008 at 6:16 PM, Max Spevack wrote: [snipping some nice stuff] > Rodrigo's hire also gives Red Hat another person in the region who can serve > as an evangelist, community builder, and open source advocate not just for > Fedora, but for the entire company. We're going to be looking to Rodrigo for > his advice and thoughts on the best time and place to organize our first > FUDCon LATAM somewhere in 2009. > > Congratulations to Rodrigo on joining the Red Hat family. yay !! -- http://www.gutenberg.net - Fine literature digitally re-published http://www.plos.org - Public Library of Science http://www.creativecommons.org - Flexible copyright for creative work From stickster at gmail.com Tue Dec 16 13:22:20 2008 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 08:22:20 -0500 Subject: [Ambassadors] exciting news for Fedora in LATAM In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20081216132220.GF24772@localhost.localdomain> On Tue, Dec 16, 2008 at 01:46:34PM +0100, Max Spevack wrote: > Re-posting from my blog: > http://spevack.livejournal.com/70806.html > > It's my pleasure to inform the Fedora community that our long-time LATAM > community superstar, Rodrigo Padula, has accepted a job with Red Hat's > LATAM marketing team, and will officially get his red fedora on February > 2nd. This is great news for Red Hat, great news for the LATAM community, and great news for the whole Fedora Project. Rodrigo, we look forward to working with you! -- Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available URL: From jsimon at fedoraproject.org Tue Dec 16 13:23:49 2008 From: jsimon at fedoraproject.org (JoergSimon) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 14:23:49 +0100 Subject: [Ambassadors] exciting news for Fedora in LATAM In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200812161423.57874.jsimon@fedoraproject.org> Am Dienstag, 16. Dezember 2008 13:46:34 schrieb Max Spevack: > It's my pleasure to inform the Fedora community that our long-time LATAM > community superstar, Rodrigo Padula, has accepted a job with Red Hat's > LATAM marketing team, and will officially get his red fedora on February > 2nd. Good Luck! Health and Happiness Joerg -- Joerg (kital) Simon jsimon at fedoraproject.org http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/JoergSimon http://kitall.blogspot.com Key Fingerprint: 3691 0989 2DCA 58A2 8D1F 2CAC C823 558E 5B5B 5688 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part. URL: From jbizama at lotinux.com Tue Dec 16 13:51:54 2008 From: jbizama at lotinux.com (jbizama at lotinux.com) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 10:51:54 -0300 Subject: [Ambassadors] exciting news for Fedora in LATAM In-Reply-To: <200812161423.57874.jsimon@fedoraproject.org> References: <200812161423.57874.jsimon@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <940cb230de6d9f09ed9eda9a4e1d5fba@localhost> On Tue, 16 Dec 2008 14:23:49 +0100, JoergSimon wrote: > Am Dienstag, 16. Dezember 2008 13:46:34 schrieb Max Spevack: >> It's my pleasure to inform the Fedora community that our long-time LATAM >> community superstar, Rodrigo Padula, has accepted a job with Red Hat's >> LATAM marketing team, and will officially get his red fedora on February >> 2nd. > > Good Luck! > > Health and Happiness Joerg > > congratulations. atte. Jonathan Bizama S. Fedora user: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Jbizama http://jbizama.lotinux.com From princedehunza at gmail.com Tue Dec 16 20:11:30 2008 From: princedehunza at gmail.com (Salman Ullah Baig) Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 01:11:30 +0500 Subject: [Ambassadors] I am unable to login to FAS with correct UserName and Passwd! Message-ID: <1229458290.3965.6.camel@wazirkutz> My subject describes my problem very will.. Could any body tell me how to get my current ID and Passwd form FSA to my mail account if incase it has been changed ?? Thanks Baig. From fugolini at fedoraproject.org Tue Dec 16 15:12:32 2008 From: fugolini at fedoraproject.org (Francesco Ugolini) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 16:12:32 +0100 Subject: [Ambassadors] exciting news for Fedora in LATAM In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Tue, Dec 16, 2008 at 1:46 PM, Max Spevack wrote: > Re-posting from my blog: > http://spevack.livejournal.com/70806.html > > It's my pleasure to inform the Fedora community that our long-time LATAM > community superstar, Rodrigo Padula, has accepted a job with Red Hat's LATAM > marketing team, and will officially get his red fedora on February 2nd. > > Rodrigo has been leading Fedora's event organization, community building, > and OLPC efforts in that region of the world for about 4 years now, and I've > always been impressed with his organizational skills and commitment to > Fedora and free software. I have not had the opportunity to meet Rodrigo in > person, but Greg and Dennis traveled to FISL last year and had an excellent > experience. > > I'm really excited that Rodrigo has accepted this job, because it is another > step in achieving the Community Architecture team's goal of ensuring that > each region of the world has someone within Red Hat who is their primary > point of contact for Fedora and community related activities. I firmly > believe that the more we can push accountability, authority, and budget to > local regions of our community, the more successful it will be, and the > faster it will grow. > > Rodrigo's hire also gives Red Hat another person in the region who can serve > as an evangelist, community builder, and open source advocate not just for > Fedora, but for the entire company. We're going to be looking to Rodrigo for > his advice and thoughts on the best time and place to organize our first > FUDCon LATAM somewhere in 2009. > > Congratulations to Rodrigo on joining the Red Hat family. > > --Max > Congratulation Rodrigo, it's a real pleasure to see this. I wish you a good luck Regards Francesco Ugolini From jsimon at fedoraproject.org Tue Dec 16 15:19:29 2008 From: jsimon at fedoraproject.org (JoergSimon) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 16:19:29 +0100 Subject: [Ambassadors] I am unable to login to FAS with correct UserName and Passwd! In-Reply-To: <1229458290.3965.6.camel@wazirkutz> References: <1229458290.3965.6.camel@wazirkutz> Message-ID: <200812161619.32799.jsimon@fedoraproject.org> Am Dienstag, 16. Dezember 2008 21:11:30 schrieb Salman Ullah Baig: > My subject describes my problem very will.. Could any body tell me how > to get my current ID and Passwd form FSA to my mail account if incase it > has been changed ?? 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URL: From luizmachado at fedoraproject.org Tue Dec 16 15:55:53 2008 From: luizmachado at fedoraproject.org (Luiz Augusto Machado da Silva) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 10:55:53 -0500 Subject: [Ambassadors] exciting news for Fedora in LATAM In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <415d5c5a0812160755t50e623c3n6112ddb07032168b@mail.gmail.com> We are very excited with it Congratulations Rodrigo On Tue, Dec 16, 2008 at 10:12 AM, Francesco Ugolini < fugolini at fedoraproject.org> wrote: > On Tue, Dec 16, 2008 at 1:46 PM, Max Spevack wrote: > > Re-posting from my blog: > > http://spevack.livejournal.com/70806.html > > > > It's my pleasure to inform the Fedora community that our long-time LATAM > > community superstar, Rodrigo Padula, has accepted a job with Red Hat's > LATAM > > marketing team, and will officially get his red fedora on February 2nd. > > > > Rodrigo has been leading Fedora's event organization, community building, > > and OLPC efforts in that region of the world for about 4 years now, and > I've > > always been impressed with his organizational skills and commitment to > > Fedora and free software. I have not had the opportunity to meet Rodrigo > in > > person, but Greg and Dennis traveled to FISL last year and had an > excellent > > experience. > > > > I'm really excited that Rodrigo has accepted this job, because it is > another > > step in achieving the Community Architecture team's goal of ensuring that > > each region of the world has someone within Red Hat who is their primary > > point of contact for Fedora and community related activities. I firmly > > believe that the more we can push accountability, authority, and budget > to > > local regions of our community, the more successful it will be, and the > > faster it will grow. > > > > Rodrigo's hire also gives Red Hat another person in the region who can > serve > > as an evangelist, community builder, and open source advocate not just > for > > Fedora, but for the entire company. 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URL: From igorsoares at gmail.com Tue Dec 16 16:49:44 2008 From: igorsoares at gmail.com (Igor Pires Soares) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 14:49:44 -0200 Subject: [Ambassadors] exciting news for Fedora in LATAM In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1229446184.3325.28.camel@localhost.localdomain> Em Ter, 2008-12-16 ?s 13:46 +0100, Max Spevack escreveu: > Re-posting from my blog: > http://spevack.livejournal.com/70806.html > > It's my pleasure to inform the Fedora community that our long-time LATAM > community superstar, Rodrigo Padula, has accepted a job with Red Hat's > LATAM marketing team, and will officially get his red fedora on February > 2nd. > > Rodrigo has been leading Fedora's event organization, community > building, and OLPC efforts in that region of the world for about 4 years > now, and I've always been impressed with his organizational skills and > commitment to Fedora and free software. I have not had the opportunity > to meet Rodrigo in person, but Greg and Dennis traveled to FISL last > year and had an excellent experience. > > I'm really excited that Rodrigo has accepted this job, because it is > another step in achieving the Community Architecture team's goal of > ensuring that each region of the world has someone within Red Hat who is > their primary point of contact for Fedora and community related > activities. I firmly believe that the more we can push accountability, > authority, and budget to local regions of our community, the more > successful it will be, and the faster it will grow. > > Rodrigo's hire also gives Red Hat another person in the region who can > serve as an evangelist, community builder, and open source advocate not > just for Fedora, but for the entire company. We're going to be looking > to Rodrigo for his advice and thoughts on the best time and place to > organize our first FUDCon LATAM somewhere in 2009. > > Congratulations to Rodrigo on joining the Red Hat family. This is really great! Rodrigo has always been supportive for my work on Fedora and I'm glad he will be able to spread the success we have accomplished in Brazil to other countries in LATAM. Recently, Mike McGrath pointed out in his blog that en_US.UTF-8 language use has dropped below 50% in Smolt statistics. So I believe this goal of ensuring that each region has someone as a point of reference will help Fedora and Red Hat to improve community relations. Congratulations Rodrigo! Regards, Igor Pires Soares From electromech at electromech.info Tue Dec 16 18:19:56 2008 From: electromech at electromech.info (ElectroMech) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 23:49:56 +0530 Subject: [Ambassadors] [suggestion]Project for college student In-Reply-To: <336b19260812160808x5e91a68dif09ed5dc6cf57b03@mail.gmail.com> References: <24233aca0812150246x7d051ddbw92c5b15a9091a3b2@mail.gmail.com> <49479E1F.5050003@redhat.com> <336b19260812160808x5e91a68dif09ed5dc6cf57b03@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <24233aca0812161019k561aa925q51758a2b9de4df6@mail.gmail.com> Thanx, Those projects are already done. We offer different projects to college students at India, Gujarat only. They call it industrial training come project. The spend 4 month 6-7 hrs. at our premises and will work according to our guidance. *I need suggestion how to involve those students in fedora development work. * I am sending some link any body interested the project already done. 1. SMS server http://vglug.googlegroups.com/web/smddocs.pdf?gda=d5kOqT0AAACPDvn8E6o6YUvvXa92J97HfOvmGsZZ0hGkuBYBC3JQ54QRjlufJgzYh7IfW0ufGP_lNv--OykrTYJH3lVGu2Z5 2. http://groups.google.com/group/VGLUG/web/finalformat1.doc Suggestion are welcome. 2008/12/16 Anouar > Hello Nilesh, > > I think that your projects are very interesting. But I'm wondering if your > offer is only for college students in the US ? > > Thanks. > > > Anouar Abtoy > > > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > > -- -- Nilesh Vaghela ElectroMech Redhat Channel Partner and Training Partner 16, Sun Rise complex, Nr. Mansi cross Road, Satellite Rd, Ahmedabad 25, The Emperor, Fatehgunj, Baroda. www.electromech.info -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fugolini at fedoraproject.org Tue Dec 16 19:13:04 2008 From: fugolini at fedoraproject.org (Francesco Ugolini) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 20:13:04 +0100 Subject: [Ambassadors] F10 Release Parties - Feedbacks page Message-ID: Hi, I know there are other Fedora 10 Release Parties to come, by the way, I wanted to create a page to start collecting all the thoughts/suggestions/critiques on this amazing experience to help next FAmSCo better addressing its activity. I invite events' owners', attendees and whoever want to add their suggestions visiting https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FedoraEvents/ReleaseParty/F10/Feedbacks . Feel free to add everything, whenever you want and in the way you best prefer. Regards Francesco Ugolini From herlo1 at gmail.com Tue Dec 16 20:28:06 2008 From: herlo1 at gmail.com (Clint Savage) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 13:28:06 -0700 Subject: [Ambassadors] F10 Release Parties - Feedbacks page In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Tue, Dec 16, 2008 at 12:13 PM, Francesco Ugolini wrote: > Hi, > > I know there are other Fedora 10 Release Parties to come, by the way, > I wanted to create a page to start collecting all the > thoughts/suggestions/critiques on this amazing experience to help next > FAmSCo better addressing its activity. > > I invite events' owners', attendees and whoever want to add their > suggestions visiting > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FedoraEvents/ReleaseParty/F10/Feedbacks > . > > Feel free to add everything, whenever you want and in the way you best prefer. > Regards > > Francesco Ugolini > > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > Francesco, I have already done something similar to this and integrated it right into the FedoraEvents[1] page on the wiki. Not sure if that's quite what you are after, but in the North America table for Q3 and Q4, you will see a column for 'reports'. I figure, that's not the only place, but it's a good start to what people have thought or felt about particular event, including Release Parties. Anyway, just a thought and much more centralized. Cheers, Clint 1 - https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FedoraEvents#North_America_Q4 From fugolini at fedoraproject.org Tue Dec 16 21:37:44 2008 From: fugolini at fedoraproject.org (Francesco Ugolini) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 22:37:44 +0100 Subject: [Ambassadors] F10 Release Parties - Feedbacks page In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Tue, Dec 16, 2008 at 9:28 PM, Clint Savage wrote: > On Tue, Dec 16, 2008 at 12:13 PM, Francesco Ugolini > wrote: >> Hi, >> >> I know there are other Fedora 10 Release Parties to come, by the way, >> I wanted to create a page to start collecting all the >> thoughts/suggestions/critiques on this amazing experience to help next >> FAmSCo better addressing its activity. >> >> I invite events' owners', attendees and whoever want to add their >> suggestions visiting >> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FedoraEvents/ReleaseParty/F10/Feedbacks >> . >> >> Feel free to add everything, whenever you want and in the way you best prefer. >> Regards >> >> Francesco Ugolini >> >> -- >> Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list >> Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list >> > > Francesco, > > I have already done something similar to this and integrated it right > into the FedoraEvents[1] page on the wiki. Not sure if that's quite > what you are after, but in the North America table for Q3 and Q4, you > will see a column for 'reports'. I figure, that's not the only place, > but it's a good start to what people have thought or felt about > particular event, including Release Parties. > > Anyway, just a thought and much more centralized. > > Cheers, > > Clint > > 1 - https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FedoraEvents#North_America_Q4 > The proposed page was not properly for events reports, but to collect ideas to improve next release events: we will use this along with all the amazing reports people have done. Thank you for your precious job! I think it's a genius idea to keep track of all the suggestion in the events page, with this idea we really could take track of all the report. My infinite gratitude Francesco Ugolini From larry.cafiero at gmail.com Wed Dec 17 00:55:42 2008 From: larry.cafiero at gmail.com (Larry Cafiero) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 16:55:42 -0800 Subject: [Ambassadors] Tonight's meeting re SCaLE Message-ID: <7a0d56080812161655t817e097p4308d70b0fde39ae@mail.gmail.com> Folks -- I have a final exam in my BASH scripting class tonight, and I may not be able to get on to IRC until after 7 (if then). I wanted to mention that I am still in the process of finding out if we will have space available at the Westin for FADNA (and if not, maybe at a nearby hotel), and I am also still awaiting a return e-mail from SCaLE organizers about this and several other things. For reasons of proximity (primarily), I'd like to urge that we hold FADNA in Los Angeles in February. Despite the fact that it's cutting it a bit close, time wise, I will be glad to take the lead in organizing this project if that is the will of the group to hold it there. 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URL: From jbenedictlow at gmail.com Wed Dec 17 04:04:28 2008 From: jbenedictlow at gmail.com (Jason Benedict Low) Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 12:04:28 +0800 Subject: [Ambassadors] exciting news for Fedora in LATAM In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <49487A4C.9070605@gmail.com> Max Spevack wrote: > Re-posting from my blog: > http://spevack.livejournal.com/70806.html > > It's my pleasure to inform the Fedora community that our long-time > LATAM community superstar, Rodrigo Padula, has accepted a job with Red > Hat's LATAM marketing team, and will officially get his red fedora on > February 2nd. congratuation to you, Rodrigo. -- Best Regards, Jason http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Jason_Benedict_Low VoIP = sip:jasonbenedict at fedoraproject.org ------ When i work nobody care. When i rest everybody stare. ------ From jbizama at lotinux.com Wed Dec 17 04:37:18 2008 From: jbizama at lotinux.com (jbizama at lotinux.com) Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 01:37:18 -0300 Subject: [Ambassadors] How can I get some dvd or cd Fedora? Message-ID: How can I get some dvd or cd Fedora? I am organizing an event, in conjunction with the community GNU / Linux and FOSS Lota, whose goal is to spread more fedora in our area Is it possible to send me some? greetings atte. jonathan Bizama S. Fedora user: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Jbizama http://jbizama.lotinux.com From inode0 at gmail.com Wed Dec 17 05:57:09 2008 From: inode0 at gmail.com (inode0) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 23:57:09 -0600 Subject: [Ambassadors] FAmNA Meeting Summary from 2008-12-17 Message-ID: * Announcements - Fedora election reminder - voting closes on the 20th. - We need an owner for the Linux Symposium in Montreal next July. * FADNA - Larry Cafiero sent mail to f-a-l indicating willingness to take ownership of hosting FADNA at SCaLE in February. - Discussion about several possible alternate sites and timing. - Agreed to let Larry run with this, need to discuss it in more detail during the coming week and sign off officially at next week's meeting if all goes well. - Not likely to be very much in our Q4 budget for this so we need to try to proceed prudently. * Q4 Budget [https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/NA/Budget] - Work is ongoing to firm up Q4 budget items. - Will try to organize the budget to be as helpful to Max as possible for his future planning and understanding of our needs. - The budget link above contains a work in progress currently and should be finished up in a day or two. * Tasks [https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/NA/Tasks] - Ambassadors UPS account: has been arranged and should be functional for media delivery. - Task to cleanup wiki meeting minutes for the past couple of months - partially complete, goal to finish by end of the year. - F10 Media should be available within one week for delivery. * Open Floor - Rounding up more Fedora project people to speak with us was brought back to our radar screens. Everyone is encouraged to make arrangements with those in areas of the project we would like to learn more about to recruit speakers and schedule them at their convenience to join us for a meeting. - Mentoring meeting with EMEA? This was discussed and we will try to make it happen sometime after FUDconF11. I would again like to thank all the participants, especially the new ambassadors joining us for the first time tonight. From inode0 at gmail.com Wed Dec 17 05:58:33 2008 From: inode0 at gmail.com (inode0) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 23:58:33 -0600 Subject: [Ambassadors] FAmNA Meeting Minutes from 2008-12-17 Message-ID: (08:00:41 PM) inode0: FAmNA Meeting Roll Call (08:01:09 PM) ***ke4qqq is here (08:01:34 PM) ***DemonJester present (08:01:39 PM) QUICKSTART: QUICKSTART READY TO START (08:02:40 PM) ***inode0 notes herlo is here in spirit (08:02:55 PM) ke4qqq: lol (08:02:57 PM) inode0: Annoucements ... (08:03:13 PM) inode0: (1) elections - voting closes on the 20th so don't forget (08:03:43 PM) inode0: (2) we need an owner for the Linux Symposium in Montreal next July (08:03:47 PM) ke4qqq: has everyone voted?? (08:03:53 PM) ke4qqq: anyone need help? (08:04:00 PM) ***ke4qqq apologizes (08:04:06 PM) QUICKSTART: Too far from Montreal and no money for the flight sorry (08:04:09 PM) ***inode0 is sure everyone has not voted :) (08:04:10 PM) ***DemonJester has voted already (08:04:29 PM) ke4qqq: ! (08:04:39 PM) QUICKSTART: I haven't voted (08:04:51 PM) inode0: ke4qqq (08:04:54 PM) QUICKSTART: link for the candidates please? (08:05:07 PM) ke4qqq: so - can we talk real briefly about the original OLS message (08:05:21 PM) inode0: sure (08:05:39 PM) QUICKSTART: by all means lead the way (08:05:44 PM) ke4qqq: so they originally wanted a hackfest or something of that nature that Fedora would hold there -sort of a mini-fudcon iirc (08:05:59 PM) inode0: yes (08:06:17 PM) ***jimi_c is here... sorry for being late (08:06:18 PM) ke4qqq: but perhaps it's a location for FADNA - which we'll discuss later - but regardless we need at a minimum to find someone to 'own' OLS - regardless of the rest (08:06:47 PM) inode0: agreed (08:06:50 PM) QUICKSTART: does the person have to be physically present? (08:06:53 PM) DemonJester: inode0: any luck with Adam? (08:06:57 PM) ke4qqq: hi lisa (08:07:04 PM) Adora: heya! (08:07:07 PM) inode0: I've contacted the last person I know in Montreal, no reply yet from Adam (08:07:08 PM) Adora: <--- lisa (08:07:18 PM) ke4qqq: ianweller: ping (08:08:13 PM) ke4qqq: QUICKSTART: yes (08:08:35 PM) inode0: it would at least help a lot (08:08:52 PM) ke4qqq: ok - well no good movement there (08:09:03 PM) ke4qqq: I suggest that if we don't have someone by end of the week (08:09:13 PM) ke4qqq: we tell them we simply don't have anyone to own (08:09:13 PM) QUICKSTART: Too far from Montreal and no money for the flight sorrdyasfsdfjalskdjf;kjlkasdjlf;jghqoirupoqewurmzxnv.mzxcnvx (08:09:14 PM) ke4qqq: it (08:09:17 PM) inode0: I just sent a feeler this afternoon to Adam, let's give him a couple of days (08:09:26 PM) QUICKSTART: sorry had a lag with the key board (08:09:34 PM) ke4qqq: end of the week == a couple of days? (08:09:39 PM) ke4qqq: lets get this out on the list too (08:09:49 PM) DemonJester: agrees ^^^^^ (08:09:49 PM) ***ke4qqq doesn't want someone to say we didn't tell them (08:10:00 PM) inode0: it has been on the list (08:10:01 PM) ***ke4qqq takes that action item (08:10:12 PM) ke4qqq: I know - but I am going to say we simply won't do it (08:10:18 PM) ke4qqq: which may motivate one person (08:10:31 PM) ke4qqq: anyway eof from me (08:10:53 PM) inode0: well, let's give Adam the rest of the week in case he is interested - then post to f-a-l something dire (08:11:04 PM) ke4qqq: ok (08:11:28 PM) inode0: any announcements from others? (08:11:53 PM) inode0: Let's move on to FADNA then (08:11:57 PM) ke4qqq: ok (08:12:04 PM) DemonJester: +1 (08:12:14 PM) inode0: Larry posted to f-a-l tonight (08:12:24 PM) inode0: about SCaLE (08:12:36 PM) inode0: he is willing to own that (08:12:47 PM) ke4qqq: scale or fadna at scale? (08:12:57 PM) inode0: FADNA @ SCaLE (08:12:57 PM) DemonJester: https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-ambassadors-list/2008-December/msg00250.html (08:13:05 PM) inode0: herlo owns SCaLE I think (08:14:02 PM) inode0: so does anyone have a big objection to doing the next FADNA at SCaLE on fairly short notice? (08:14:31 PM) ***ke4qqq does but it doesn't matter (08:14:35 PM) DemonJester: I can only be there in spirit and or stream / conference call (08:14:54 PM) ***ke4qqq thinks it's awfully close to fudcon (08:15:03 PM) inode0: ok, let's talk about that (08:15:07 PM) Adora: how many west coasters are going to fudcon? (08:15:13 PM) inode0: SCaLE, SELF, and OLS are all close to FUDcon (08:15:31 PM) inode0: if close is defined to be within 2 months of FUDcon (08:15:31 PM) ke4qqq: indeed (08:15:35 PM) DemonJester: Adora: not sure to be honest (08:15:37 PM) ke4qqq: OLF wasn't (08:15:40 PM) ke4qqq: and was ideal (08:15:42 PM) ke4qqq: IMO (08:15:47 PM) ke4qqq: whatabout LFNW? (08:15:50 PM) ke4qqq: or OSCON? (08:15:54 PM) inode0: SCaLE is actually the farthest away from FUDcon of the conferences currently on the table (08:16:16 PM) ke4qqq: adora: that I know of, 2-3 unless you consider hi to be west coast :) then add one :) (08:16:28 PM) ke4qqq: true (08:16:30 PM) inode0: what about them? no one has come forward suggesting them seriously that I'm aware of (08:16:58 PM) admin1lbo: sorry I left so abruptly (08:17:13 PM) admin1lbo: lost control of my computer (08:17:23 PM) ***herlo is here somewhat (08:17:39 PM) inode0: combining with OSCON I view as problematic, same problems EMEA had I would expect we would have doing that (08:17:50 PM) ke4qqq: I agree (08:17:55 PM) DemonJester: as do I (08:18:35 PM) inode0: PyCon is at a nice time, perhaps not a nice location?! (08:18:39 PM) ***herlo htinks either LFNW or SCaLE are viable targets (08:18:51 PM) inode0: when is LFNW? (08:18:52 PM) herlo: where's pycon? (08:19:01 PM) inode0: pycon is chicago in march (08:19:10 PM) herlo: April (08:19:14 PM) herlo: lfnw (08:19:23 PM) ke4qqq: inode0: Herlo mentioned it! (08:19:36 PM) inode0: but seriously? :) (08:19:52 PM) ke4qqq: lol (08:20:14 PM) herlo: what did I mention? (08:20:29 PM) herlo: http://linuxfestnorthwest.org/ (08:20:46 PM) inode0: I'm sympathetic to a west coast FADNA ... that can happen sooner than a west coast FUDcon (08:21:00 PM) ke4qqq: url == serious mention inode0 (08:21:02 PM) ke4qqq: indeed (08:21:08 PM) herlo: LNFW is on the west coast (08:21:17 PM) ke4qqq: I am not against it aside from proximity to fudcon (08:21:23 PM) inode0: and it might be a good opportunity to experiment with Max - including a small hackfest or something (08:21:56 PM) ke4qqq: what are we doing to Max? (08:22:19 PM) inode0: Max expressed interest in expanding FAD a bit (08:23:03 PM) inode0: and on the west coast it might be nice to give developers an opportunity to get together too if we can (08:23:31 PM) inode0: if not, we aren't out anything, just something to chew on (08:23:56 PM) inode0: ke4qqq: is LFNW too close to FUDcon? (08:24:00 PM) ke4qqq: date? (08:24:13 PM) DemonJester: 4/25 - 4/26 (08:24:13 PM) inode0: herlo said april, right? (08:24:39 PM) ke4qqq: that looks better- but how many people can attend is the next question (08:24:40 PM) inode0: ke4qqq: let's just define "too close to FUDcon" please (08:24:47 PM) ke4qqq: 60 days? (08:24:51 PM) ke4qqq: is that too broad? (08:24:56 PM) ke4qqq: 45 days at least IMO (08:25:02 PM) ke4qqq: but I don't want to legislate this. (08:25:13 PM) ke4qqq: but for instance (08:25:16 PM) inode0: ok, I want to know what you think is too close - I don't really care about it being close (08:25:18 PM) ***ke4qqq is going to pick on adora (08:25:22 PM) Adora: o_0 (08:25:24 PM) herlo: 60 days (08:25:25 PM) ke4qqq: adora is on the west coast - (08:25:41 PM) ke4qqq: if she has to choose between stretching things for fudcon and attending fadna in her backyard (08:25:44 PM) inode0: because 60 days on each side doesn't leave much :) (08:25:47 PM) ke4qqq: I'd bet it'd be the latter (08:26:19 PM) herlo: let's not go back to this conversation about whether people can make one or both. It doesn't benefit us (08:26:43 PM) ke4qqq: then why do we care if it is too close? (08:26:46 PM) herlo: let's just pick a date, whether it'll be with a con or not, and go forward (08:26:46 PM) inode0: agreed, it can't be resolved (08:26:51 PM) DemonJester: whoever can make it makes it, I say pick a spot on the West coast and run with it (08:26:59 PM) Adora: if there's a true benefit to fudcon, people will make the effort to go (and it sounds like there is) (08:27:03 PM) ke4qqq: SCALE has an owner - let him run with it (08:27:12 PM) herlo: fudcon is the only thing I'd concern myself with, I'd like it to be the opposite 3 months from the fudcons... (08:27:25 PM) ke4qqq: why? (08:27:43 PM) ke4qqq: is that just a preference? (08:27:46 PM) Adora: and for people who can't, in my opinion it's good for the community to have another event around the same time that they can feel involved with (08:27:47 PM) herlo: because as was pointed out previously, if it comes down to a debate between the two... (08:27:48 PM) ke4qqq: or?? (08:28:01 PM) inode0: we aren't talking about that tonight herlo :) (08:28:04 PM) ke4qqq: thought we weren't arguing that? (08:28:05 PM) ke4qqq: lo.l (08:28:06 PM) ke4qqq: lol (08:28:14 PM) herlo: inode0: oh, sorry (08:28:34 PM) admin1lbo: why am I logged off (08:28:49 PM) ke4qqq: I say if lcafiero wants to run with it, we give him our blessing if we don't care about competition (08:28:52 PM) herlo: that's not what I was pointing out. but rather an example of the only concern we should have... (08:28:58 PM) ke4qqq: not that he needs it (08:29:03 PM) herlo: hehe (08:29:09 PM) inode0: I sense sympathy with let larry run with SCaLE if he wants to. He might be interested in whether core ambassadors can or can't attend though. (08:29:46 PM) ke4qqq: one thing that I think would define it is budget (08:29:56 PM) ke4qqq: if he gets budget to put people up (08:30:03 PM) ke4qqq: (as EMEA FADs do) (08:30:03 PM) inode0: let's touch base with larry this week and see if he wants to run (08:30:08 PM) herlo: April would be better for budget (08:30:14 PM) ke4qqq: would it? (08:30:26 PM) ke4qqq: whats the basis of that? (08:30:32 PM) inode0: budget is coming up very shortly tonight - likely a small budget for Q4 FADNA (08:30:34 PM) ke4qqq: aside from we already have everything spent :) (08:30:38 PM) kanarip: what about the EMEA FADs? (08:30:42 PM) herlo: well, we have about 400 left this quarter, assuming we have a budget at all (08:31:06 PM) inode0: kanarip: EMEA FADs are funded differently now (08:31:24 PM) kanarip: yes they are (08:31:26 PM) inode0: that may change this year (08:31:32 PM) ianweller: pong (08:31:45 PM) QUICKSTART: 400$ or more then 4 hundred? (08:31:45 PM) inode0: we may get one FAD funded more heavily (08:31:55 PM) inode0: but it won't be in Q4 (08:32:49 PM) inode0: ok, let's talk with larry and try to finalize this next week (08:33:03 PM) inode0: any other FADNA discussion? (08:33:19 PM) inode0: Q4 Budget (08:33:22 PM) inode0: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/NA/Budget (08:33:34 PM) inode0: comments? (08:33:57 PM) ***ke4qqq really wants to maintain some spare change and honeslty 400 scares me (08:34:01 PM) inode0: if there are any budget items you think we should be spending funds for that aren't listed please get them on the table now (08:34:03 PM) ke4qqq: wish it was more (08:34:11 PM) ke4qqq: or if you don't like the amounts (08:34:32 PM) ***inode0 is inclined to not leave any slack (08:35:02 PM) herlo: why? (08:35:15 PM) inode0: or at least allocate it to some category (discretionary, miscellaneous, or some such) (08:35:15 PM) ke4qqq: why what herlo ? (08:35:29 PM) herlo: ke4qqq: why that ^^ (08:35:30 PM) ke4qqq: I am worried about an opportunity coming up - or an overage (08:35:32 PM) herlo: inode0: answered it (08:35:46 PM) ke4qqq: say tshirts are 1100 with shipping or something (08:36:12 PM) ***DemonJester notes I will be getting an exact quote end of this week on those (08:36:13 PM) inode0: max has indicated there is likely to be more, and I think we should have a wish list here that is as long as we want really (08:36:17 PM) herlo: sure, thus inode0's point, make it be discretionary (08:36:53 PM) ke4qqq: DemonJester: can we have it any sooner? (08:36:53 PM) inode0: if FADNA @ SCaLE I think it should be allocated there (08:37:18 PM) DemonJester: ke4qqq: I can try for tomorrow but I am out of office most of the day. (08:37:29 PM) ke4qqq: ok (08:37:29 PM) QUICKSTART: question how do we order CDs ? (08:37:36 PM) QUICKSTART: are they free or do we pay? (08:37:40 PM) ke4qqq: QUICKSTART: who do you mean by we (08:37:41 PM) herlo: QUICKSTART: we'll get to that (08:37:47 PM) inode0: please hold that until the budget is passed (08:37:49 PM) QUICKSTART: ok thnaks (08:38:28 PM) ke4qqq: ok - ...suggest we make event box and tattoos contingent on (08:38:33 PM) ke4qqq: FADNA @ SCALE (08:38:44 PM) ke4qqq: and we retain current balance for unforeseen expenses (08:39:02 PM) ke4qqq: and if larry makes it tonight lets get it ironed out then (08:39:05 PM) herlo: eventbox is Wests anyway, that should be no biggie (08:39:18 PM) ke4qqq: right but additional event box would be cut (08:39:25 PM) ke4qqq: at least for this quarter (08:39:46 PM) herlo: oh, I see (08:41:46 PM) ke4qqq: ok (08:41:52 PM) ke4qqq: so here is what I propose (08:42:13 PM) ke4qqq: we allocate the balance to FADNA at SCALE - and failing that a second event box (08:42:23 PM) ke4qqq: or discretionary funding for regionals to use (08:43:08 PM) ke4qqq: with the understanding that that funding (and tats, and eventboxes) may get killed if needed for events or other things that promote fedora better (08:43:12 PM) ke4qqq: thoughts? (08:43:37 PM) inode0: we might have some play with the shipping number too (08:43:47 PM) QUICKSTART: how bout shirts (08:43:53 PM) inode0: with only two event box events that could be a bit high (08:44:03 PM) ke4qqq: inode0: we have to ship tons of media (08:44:06 PM) ke4qqq: and stickers (08:44:08 PM) QUICKSTART: hold a contest or something (08:44:09 PM) ke4qqq: and shirts (08:44:25 PM) herlo: how much is that then? (08:44:27 PM) herlo: for FADNA (08:44:28 PM) ke4qqq: that's based on alex's 250/quarter meeting (08:44:29 PM) QUICKSTART: I mean like a design contest for the official fedora shirt or something like that (08:44:42 PM) ke4qqq: right now it's 433 (08:44:51 PM) inode0: for what exactly? (08:44:51 PM) ke4qqq: QUICKSTART: let us get through the budget first (08:44:56 PM) herlo: that'd be a nice number for a FADNA (08:44:57 PM) ke4qqq: FADNA (08:45:00 PM) QUICKSTART: k (08:46:15 PM) inode0: we need to talk to larry about the cost of FADNA, but I think $500 is about the minimum (08:46:55 PM) ke4qqq: why is that? (08:47:05 PM) DemonJester: West Coast! (08:47:19 PM) herlo: I think SCALE's budget can help (08:47:34 PM) ke4qqq: lol (08:48:28 PM) ke4qqq: ok - I just updated budget (08:48:48 PM) ***herlo is going to look (08:49:08 PM) inode0: well, $500 or $433, I wasn't quibbling - just think it will need something in that ballpark to barely function (08:49:43 PM) ke4qqq: and updated again (08:49:49 PM) ke4qqq: with a disclaimer (08:49:53 PM) inode0: ok, aside from FADNA, are there other spending items we should list? (08:50:00 PM) inode0: even if we can't fund them now (08:50:26 PM) inode0: maybe we should list what is being skipped by funding at $0 - like the missing media (08:50:39 PM) ke4qqq: ohhh yeah (08:50:57 PM) herlo: ambassadorkit (08:51:02 PM) ***herlo keeps bringing this up (08:51:12 PM) inode0: good point herlo (08:51:14 PM) Adora: I like kits. =] (08:51:23 PM) herlo: we need to do r&d on this at FUDCon (08:51:27 PM) ***inode0 steps away briefly, please continue (08:51:27 PM) herlo: so we need some funds for that (08:52:01 PM) ke4qqq: how much is R&D exclusive of shippin (08:52:03 PM) ke4qqq: shipping (08:52:11 PM) ke4qqq: guesstimate? (08:52:32 PM) ***ke4qqq admits he really doesn't understand the R&D costs (08:52:58 PM) herlo: I want to purchase boxes or at least do some research on the boxes (08:53:07 PM) ke4qqq: shipping boxes? (08:53:11 PM) ke4qqq: or?? (08:53:19 PM) herlo: both (08:53:24 PM) ke4qqq: both? (08:53:29 PM) herlo: shipping boxes and the display boxes to hold the media (08:53:37 PM) ke4qqq: shipping boxes are free - just ask for them to be sent to you. (08:53:44 PM) herlo: no (08:53:49 PM) herlo: they arent for what I want (08:53:55 PM) ke4qqq: hmmmmm then I don't get it (08:53:56 PM) herlo: I'd like to have reusable boxen (08:54:02 PM) ke4qqq: link? (08:54:11 PM) herlo: don't have anything yet, thus R&D (08:54:27 PM) herlo: as far as the display box, there is some on the designservice (08:54:31 PM) ke4qqq: soooo guesstimate on cost (08:54:32 PM) ***herlo looks to find it (08:54:36 PM) ke4qqq: right - but that's not done yet right? (08:55:08 PM) herlo: for R&D? $1billion (08:55:17 PM) herlo: :-P (08:55:23 PM) ke4qqq: ok - I'll list that (08:55:30 PM) ***inode0 is back (08:55:31 PM) DemonJester: lol (08:55:46 PM) ***QUICKSTART falling out of my seat shaking my head (08:55:47 PM) herlo: thank you thank you (08:56:11 PM) ***inode0 suggests $200 out of thin air (08:56:14 PM) ***QUICKSTART chuckles (08:56:18 PM) ianweller: herlo: sorry that's an invalid xml tag! (08:56:22 PM) ianweller: tsk tsk tsk (08:56:28 PM) ke4qqq: just updated the wiki (08:56:29 PM) DemonJester: I was thinking that amount as well (08:56:31 PM) Adora: hahaha (08:56:32 PM) ke4qqq: with a valid xml tag (08:56:34 PM) herlo: ianweller: oh, I'll fix that later (08:56:47 PM) herlo: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/DesignService#AmbassadorKit_Box (08:56:52 PM) ***DemonJester files a bug with bugzilla ;) (08:56:52 PM) herlo: for those who are interested (08:57:02 PM) ***ianweller is done with the distractions... for now! (08:57:21 PM) ke4qqq: I doubt it (08:57:34 PM) ianweller: shh. (08:58:05 PM) ***QUICKSTART finishes ianweller with the never ending laugh from the movie (08:58:27 PM) inode0: can I make a suggestion about the budget table? (08:58:39 PM) ke4qqq: ok - so lets see what lcafiero says on fadna - but you can have tat money if not :( (08:58:43 PM) ***ke4qqq really wants fedora tats (08:58:48 PM) ke4qqq: sure (08:58:55 PM) inode0: I'll buy the tats if need be (08:59:13 PM) ***DemonJester suggest ke4qqq goes and gets a real one then :) (08:59:23 PM) ke4qqq: DemonJester: I am allergic to pain (08:59:32 PM) inode0: I'd like the table to have another column, along with expected costs have an allocated funds column (08:59:35 PM) ***DemonJester notes they dont hurt that much... (08:59:38 PM) ke4qqq: and with my luck mizmo will comeup with a new logo next year (08:59:52 PM) DemonJester: ke4qqq: lol (09:00:07 PM) inode0: break the media into three lines, two with $1800 allocations and one with $0 allocated (09:00:22 PM) ke4qqq: Adora: suggested that I use this as justification for tats: http://www.flickr.com/photos/sophistechate/2668775671/ (09:00:32 PM) QUICKSTART: ouch (09:00:36 PM) inode0: I think this will more clearly show the folks making our budget what we need, and the choices we are forced to make (09:00:45 PM) ke4qqq: interesting idea (09:00:59 PM) ke4qqq: I'll make those changes after the meeting if no one is offended (09:01:02 PM) Adora: >_< (09:01:33 PM) herlo: ke4qqq: for the R&D, I think $100 would be enough... (09:01:39 PM) ke4qqq: ok (09:01:47 PM) Adora: I have no defense, I was at SXSW and things got out of hand... (09:01:49 PM) ke4qqq: I could just reduce from 5000 tats to 2.5k (09:01:51 PM) inode0: we might include a line for some booth display (persistent infrastructure) as Paul suggested (09:02:11 PM) ke4qqq: I like the idea of persistent infrastructure (09:02:14 PM) inode0: obviously getting $0 this quarter (09:02:18 PM) ke4qqq: but there just isn't money in my opinion (09:02:20 PM) ke4qqq: lol (09:03:12 PM) inode0: it will help reinforce the idea that we need funds for persistent infrastructure but that they aren't recurring costs like media (09:04:34 PM) inode0: let's add case badges too, and find costs if we have them (09:04:57 PM) inode0: I think for small expenses tats and case badges are big bang for the buck (09:05:22 PM) DemonJester: agrees ^^^^^ (09:05:24 PM) ke4qqq: agreed (09:05:33 PM) herlo: ke4qqq: that's actually a good idea, 2.5k tattoos should be enough (09:06:24 PM) ke4qqq: they only last a few weeks (09:06:25 PM) ke4qqq: lol (09:06:31 PM) herlo: :) (09:06:42 PM) inode0: but they are fun and great advertising (09:06:47 PM) herlo: agreed (09:06:59 PM) herlo: we'd need to come up with a cool tat like that with all the cool designs on the side (09:07:01 PM) QUICKSTART: how bout sponsering a highway (09:07:09 PM) QUICKSTART: there are a couple up for grabs right now (09:07:20 PM) DemonJester: Fedora Tribal!! (09:07:36 PM) ***ke4qqq is almost afraid to do this (09:07:42 PM) ke4qqq: but suggests we let mo design a tat for us (09:07:53 PM) DemonJester: or nicu (09:07:58 PM) ke4qqq: oohhhh nicu (09:08:02 PM) inode0: ok, this has been a good discussion (09:08:07 PM) ke4qqq: anyway (09:08:10 PM) ke4qqq: thats' OT (09:08:32 PM) inode0: since we need to get budget to max asap, can we deal with it more if needed after this meeting in fedora-ambassadors? (09:08:42 PM) herlo: yes (09:08:48 PM) DemonJester: sure (09:09:11 PM) inode0: ok, let's move to task list review now (09:09:24 PM) inode0: herlo: you have an update on UPS (09:09:27 PM) inode0: or ke4qqq (09:09:29 PM) herlo: inode0: nope (09:09:31 PM) herlo: ke4qqq: does (09:09:39 PM) ke4qqq: we have an account (09:09:43 PM) ***inode0 notes it is herlo's task :) (09:09:45 PM) ke4qqq: but apparenlty no one can use it (09:09:51 PM) ***ke4qqq took it during herlos job search (09:09:59 PM) herlo: inode0: I did get it, but ke4qqq set up the account (09:10:01 PM) ke4qqq: it's billed to spevack's card (09:10:13 PM) ***herlo should mention he is now employed starting tomorrow (09:10:20 PM) ke4qqq: I still have to iron out that one wrinkle (09:10:30 PM) inode0: the good news is we will be able to ship UPS without paying for it directly out of pocket at some point (09:10:37 PM) ***ke4qqq can use it but seems no one else can (09:10:41 PM) inode0: herlo: great news (09:11:16 PM) herlo: inode0: thanks, but UPS needs to be called so we can figure out how to get us all on the account (09:11:22 PM) ke4qqq: yeah (09:11:28 PM) ke4qqq: and honestly just haven't had the time (09:11:42 PM) ke4qqq: tried sitting through hold music (09:11:44 PM) inode0: yes, we need to get that done before media arrives if possible (09:11:45 PM) ke4qqq: and gave up once (09:11:53 PM) ke4qqq: media!!! (09:11:57 PM) herlo: :) (09:12:01 PM) DemonJester: where???? (09:12:04 PM) DemonJester: lol (09:12:07 PM) inode0: media update? (09:12:13 PM) herlo: well, so I suspect it will be delivered by Friday (09:12:23 PM) ke4qqq: outstanding (09:12:24 PM) inode0: excellent (09:12:26 PM) herlo: and back to QUICKSTART's question (09:12:30 PM) herlo: it's free (09:12:30 PM) DemonJester: +10 (09:12:38 PM) ke4qqq: if we move forward with this budget tomorrow AM when will you order? (09:12:45 PM) herlo: you just have to promise to give some away too (09:12:47 PM) f13: oh yeah, there's going to be some amount of media hitting my house right? (09:12:54 PM) herlo: ke4qqq: I can order immediately (09:12:57 PM) f13: since you know, I made the darn thing (09:13:02 PM) ke4qqq: f13: we looked into a tshirt cannon (09:13:05 PM) herlo: f13: hehe sure (09:13:10 PM) ke4qqq: but perhaps a media cannon is more apropos (09:13:16 PM) f13: ke4qqq: lol, ouch (09:13:22 PM) inode0: put the cannon on the budget (09:13:24 PM) QUICKSTART: ok so is it a limit to how many cds we can order (09:13:35 PM) ke4qqq: QUICKSTART: yes and no (09:13:42 PM) inode0: details about this can wait for open floor please (09:13:52 PM) herlo: right (09:13:52 PM) ke4qqq: QUICKSTART: talk to your regional ambassador he has discretion in how much to send or not send (09:13:56 PM) ***inode0 tries to get through business (09:13:58 PM) QUICKSTART: k (09:14:07 PM) inode0: last task is mine (09:14:19 PM) herlo: I'll talk with the guys tomorrow and get the orders started for the DVDs (09:14:27 PM) inode0: fixing backlog of meeting minutes - 1/20th complete :( (09:14:35 PM) herlo: I suspect we could have that by FUDCon, but no promises (09:14:41 PM) ke4qqq: that'd be cool (09:14:44 PM) ke4qqq: except for shipping (09:14:46 PM) ke4qqq: or flying (09:14:54 PM) ke4qqq: would they ship to RH Boston? (09:14:57 PM) herlo: no (09:14:59 PM) herlo: my house (09:15:01 PM) ***inode0 sets goal of year end to be caught up (09:15:06 PM) ke4qqq: bah a pox on them :) (09:15:07 PM) herlo: but, they're local and I can bring them/ship them (09:15:34 PM) inode0: that is it for tasks (09:15:38 PM) ke4qqq: cool (09:15:38 PM) inode0: Open Floor (09:15:58 PM) ke4qqq: QUICKSTART: where are you based out of? (09:16:11 PM) inode0: sorry for cutting you off QUICKSTART, let fly with all your questions/comments/suggestions now :) (09:16:13 PM) f13: Anybody around the pacific NW and want to help me out with Linux Fest Northwest? (09:16:25 PM) herlo: f13: lcafiero (09:16:30 PM) herlo: but I don't know if he's available (09:16:33 PM) inode0: f13: do you want FADNA there? :) (09:16:39 PM) ke4qqq: f13: will your budget include money for a flight from SC to LFNW? :) (09:16:41 PM) f13: what's FADNA ? (09:16:50 PM) ke4qqq: FAD in NA (09:16:51 PM) ke4qqq: lol (09:16:51 PM) herlo: Fedora Ambassador Day North America (09:16:59 PM) f13: ke4qqq: thus far I don't know what (if any) budget there is (09:16:59 PM) ***inode0 sees there is a communication failure (09:17:07 PM) herlo: apparently our marketing skills need to improve :) (09:17:29 PM) f13: LFNW is in April, and I've been going for many years (09:17:31 PM) QUICKSTART: lol ok (09:17:43 PM) f13: usually I just do a talk or 2 about Fedora/RH/Open Source, but this year I'd like to have a Fedora booth (09:17:55 PM) f13: a couple of my friends in the area have offered to do some booth time to hand out stuff (09:17:55 PM) QUICKSTART: I was think is it possible to set up contest to get more people to get into the who fedora game (09:18:00 PM) herlo: f13: I would love to go, but I can't be sure I'll have the availability by then (09:18:02 PM) f13: and I think I've convinced Paul Frields into coming (09:18:14 PM) ke4qqq: you still want to own the event, f13 - we'll make sure that funds are there. (09:18:20 PM) f13: I've never "ran" an event before (09:18:25 PM) f13: so I'll need lots of hand holding (09:18:34 PM) herlo: f13: we can help with that (09:18:36 PM) f13: k (09:18:44 PM) ***herlo is an experienced conference owner (09:18:47 PM) ke4qqq: in return for a few package reviews (09:18:48 PM) ke4qqq: :) (09:18:53 PM) f13: then yeah, for lack of anybody else, I'll own the event. (09:18:56 PM) ***herlo runs UTOSC.com (09:19:08 PM) herlo: ke4qqq: haha (09:19:37 PM) inode0: Adora: thanks for coming tonight, great meeting you and I hope to see a lot more of you now (09:20:10 PM) Adora: I hope to be around! (09:20:24 PM) Adora: I'm sure ke4qqq will help with that with frequent and swift kicks in the rear (09:20:40 PM) QUICKSTART: well it was a good meeting lol time to call it quits all the questions are done with for now lol (09:20:51 PM) QUICKSTART: me/ raises pinky to mouth and laughs (09:20:56 PM) herlo: Adora: I'll be there to kick you as well. I'm happy to be your regional ambassador (09:21:05 PM) QUICKSTART: whoops /me raises pinky to mouth and laughs (09:21:12 PM) ***QUICKSTART raises pinky to mouth and laughs (09:21:24 PM) ***inode0 applauds seeing learning in action (09:21:33 PM) DemonJester: lol (09:21:59 PM) ***ianweller scratches his head and pushes everyone out the door (09:22:50 PM) inode0: QUICKSTART: let's talk about your idea in fedora-ambassador sometime for expanding Fedora's base (09:22:52 PM) ***QUICKSTART laughs (09:23:00 PM) QUICKSTART: will do inode (09:23:10 PM) QUICKSTART: have a bunch of ideas (09:23:34 PM) inode0: if can translate them into tasks we'll be all set :) (09:23:37 PM) inode0: if we (09:24:07 PM) inode0: any other open floor business before we adjourn back to our home channel? (09:24:25 PM) inode0: oh, I had two thing! (09:24:27 PM) inode0: +s (09:24:33 PM) ke4qqq: yes? (09:24:37 PM) inode0: Rounding up more Fedora project people to speak with us (FESCo maybe?) (09:24:50 PM) inode0: we have dropped the ball on guest speakers (09:24:57 PM) ke4qqq: +1 (09:25:02 PM) herlo: infra? (09:25:07 PM) herlo: is that who you mean? (09:25:15 PM) inode0: want to ping mcgrath or someone? (09:25:37 PM) inode0: yes, that is exactly what I meant (09:25:45 PM) herlo: what about l10n? (09:25:54 PM) inode0: any other fedora groups (09:26:15 PM) inode0: warren might be a good guest (09:26:22 PM) herlo: did we do packagers? (09:26:28 PM) inode0: nope (09:26:47 PM) inode0: art/bugzappers/docs (09:27:13 PM) ke4qqq: l10n is a bad idea imo (09:27:16 PM) ke4qqq: we all speak english (09:27:19 PM) ke4qqq: I think (09:27:58 PM) inode0: but with the issues raised by warren at the town halls I think we all need to be more aware of non-English speaking users/contributors (09:28:15 PM) inode0: and mmcgrath's recent numbers suggest we are dwindling (09:28:26 PM) QUICKSTART: if you need a translator I can be one for spanish users (09:29:02 PM) ke4qqq: ahhh interesting (09:29:10 PM) ke4qqq: perhaps we also need to get infra in here (09:29:24 PM) inode0: I think infra would be a great next one (09:30:01 PM) inode0: but we can schedule these far in advance too, so let's just try to start getting some lined up for the future (09:30:19 PM) inode0: Mentoring meeting with EMEA? (09:30:36 PM) inode0: We poked EMEA about having an IRC meeting with us as well, another dropped ball. (09:31:03 PM) inode0: Shall I pick that back up? (09:31:48 PM) inode0: We could talk to EMEA ambassadors about whatever, but how they mentor new contributors is one topic I thought would be useful. (09:32:45 PM) ke4qqq: ohhh indeed (09:33:11 PM) herlo: I think we shoot for after FUDCon (09:33:19 PM) ke4qqq: agreed (09:33:22 PM) inode0: ok, I'll get that moving again ... sure (09:33:23 PM) ke4qqq: fudcon isn't far off (09:33:35 PM) herlo: yep (09:33:38 PM) ke4qqq: 4 weeks? or less (09:33:39 PM) ***herlo is excited for fudcon (09:33:45 PM) herlo: less, Jan 9-11 (09:33:47 PM) inode0: alright, it is last call (09:34:02 PM) inode0: anyone need me to call them a taxi? (09:34:35 PM) ***herlo always needs a taxi (09:34:57 PM) ***QUICKSTART walks up to the teleporter waves and beams out (09:35:04 PM) ***DemonJester will just sleep on the floor :) (09:35:05 PM) inode0: congratulations to DemonJester's Buffalo Bulls for doing the unthinkable this year (09:35:12 PM) ***QUICKSTART teleporter doesn't work calls Scottie (09:35:12 PM) inode0: 5 (09:35:16 PM) inode0: 4 (09:35:20 PM) inode0: 3 (09:35:23 PM) inode0: 2 (09:35:26 PM) inode0: 1 (09:35:30 PM) inode0: thanks everyone (09:35:32 PM) inode0: EOF From saadsaidi at gmail.com Wed Dec 17 07:59:01 2008 From: saadsaidi at gmail.com (SaadAldine AlSaidi) Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 09:59:01 +0200 Subject: [Ambassadors] Regarding password reset Message-ID: <1ee8c4800812162359k30b7b11fv4b7a518f48d818ae@mail.gmail.com> When I try to reset my password, on the following link, https://admin.fedoraproject.org/accounts/user/resetpass, I just get a blank page, and I never did get any email. Any advice. -- Saadaldine AlSaidi IT Manager AlShora International Tayyouneh Rotary Old Saida Road - Princess Buldg. Beirut - Lebanon Tel: +961 1 391140 Fax: +961 1 381140 Mob: +961 3 934285 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jsimon at fedoraproject.org Wed Dec 17 08:11:29 2008 From: jsimon at fedoraproject.org (JoergSimon) Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 09:11:29 +0100 Subject: [Ambassadors] Regarding password reset In-Reply-To: <1ee8c4800812162359k30b7b11fv4b7a518f48d818ae@mail.gmail.com> References: <1ee8c4800812162359k30b7b11fv4b7a518f48d818ae@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200812170911.34549.jsimon@fedoraproject.org> Am Mittwoch, 17. Dezember 2008 08:59:01 schrieb SaadAldine AlSaidi: > When I try to reset my password, on the following link, > https://admin.fedoraproject.org/accounts/user/resetpass, I just get a blank > page, and I never did get any email. check your inbox again, you should no get a email. catch me on irc if you need further help. Joerg -- Joerg (kital) Simon jsimon at fedoraproject.org http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/JoergSimon http://kitall.blogspot.com Key Fingerprint: 3691 0989 2DCA 58A2 8D1F 2CAC C823 558E 5B5B 5688 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part. 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Dezember 2008 08:59:01 schrieb SaadAldine AlSaidi: > > When I try to reset my password, on the following link, > > https://admin.fedoraproject.org/accounts/user/resetpass, I just get a > > blank page, and I never did get any email. > > check your inbox again, you should no get a email. s/no/now -- Joerg (kital) Simon jsimon at fedoraproject.org http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/JoergSimon http://kitall.blogspot.com Key Fingerprint: 3691 0989 2DCA 58A2 8D1F 2CAC C823 558E 5B5B 5688 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part. URL: From saadsaidi at gmail.com Wed Dec 17 08:28:28 2008 From: saadsaidi at gmail.com (SaadAldine AlSaidi) Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 10:28:28 +0200 Subject: [Ambassadors] Regarding password reset In-Reply-To: <200812170924.47718.jsimon@fedoraproject.org> References: <1ee8c4800812162359k30b7b11fv4b7a518f48d818ae@mail.gmail.com> <200812170911.34549.jsimon@fedoraproject.org> <200812170924.47718.jsimon@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <1ee8c4800812170028med025a4w53ce6b9bafd6d608@mail.gmail.com> I should have emailed before. Many thanks :D 2008/12/17 JoergSimon > Am Mittwoch, 17. Dezember 2008 09:11:29 schrieb JoergSimon: > > Am Mittwoch, 17. Dezember 2008 08:59:01 schrieb SaadAldine AlSaidi: > > > When I try to reset my password, on the following link, > > > https://admin.fedoraproject.org/accounts/user/resetpass, I just get a > > > blank page, and I never did get any email. > > > > check your inbox again, you should no get a email. > > s/no/now > > > -- > Joerg (kital) Simon > jsimon at fedoraproject.org > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/JoergSimon > http://kitall.blogspot.com > Key Fingerprint: > 3691 0989 2DCA 58A2 8D1F 2CAC C823 558E 5B5B 5688 > > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > > -- Saadaldine AlSaidi IT Manager AlShora International Tayyouneh Rotary Old Saida Road - Princess Buldg. Beirut - Lebanon Tel: +961 1 391140 Fax: +961 1 381140 Mob: +961 3 934285 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From prakhar at fedoraproject.org Wed Dec 17 10:44:54 2008 From: prakhar at fedoraproject.org (Prakhar Agarwal) Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 02:44:54 -0800 Subject: [Ambassadors] JIIT WAP: Workshop after-thoughts In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: ====As posted by me on http://groups.google.co.in/group/jiitlug === Hello Guys, The Linux workshop has not ended yet!! Before you start thinking a lot, let me clarify that IEEE has officially declared it closed, but guys what about un-official?? We did not do it. did we?? :) Anyways, I would like to share my thoughts/feelings that I came across in past 15 days. I feel extremely happy to write this letter. First of all, I would like to thank and congratulate to everybody who was a part of this extragavanza. It was the first official event related to Linux/FOSS and I feel that we did pretty well. The enthusiasm displayed by you all was much above my expectations. 15 days is not a short time and I'm happy that we could connect to each other well. FOSS seems to have bridged many gaps amongst us. We did not have 1st, 2nd, 3rd years sitting in the sessions; we had JIITians!! Secondly, I see this workshop as the foundation of FOSS at JIIT. My partners Ankur and Puneet have done a splendid job. Without their efforts and fundoo attitude we could not have lived the moments we cherish now. IEEE JIIT Student Chapter (IJSB) has provided us with a much needed platform to showcase FOSS. Gaurav Darbari, Priyanka, Chandni, Varun Mittal and and the whole IJSB team has really come together as great people supporting our endeavors. I originally planned for an event in October but I guess December was the month cut out for this. And tell you what, it was the perfect time that we could have ever asked for. Thirdly, I would like to thank Satyaakam Goswami Sir for his guidance during the workshop. He went out of the way to setup dates with the guests like Supreet (the Python guy) and Karunakar (l10n, i18n guy). Satyaakam Sir's mentorship was a blessing for us and I hope that the relation will continue further and we all will gain more and more. I also thank Rajan Vaish (JUIT Solan), Chirag Anand (JUIT Solan) and Khushbu Mohta (KEC) for sharing their experiences with us. This indeed helped us to connect to FOSS as students. I also thank Susmit Shannigrahi and the Fedora team who provided us with the Fedora material and Gora Mohanty Sir who carried them all the way from Bangalore to Delhi which were then picked up by Satyaakam Sir. See how things happen in FOSS. :) I leave it upto you to search for the unknown names I just mentioned and share with other on JIIT-LUG. On a much personal front, I would like to say that I enjoyed sharing these 15 days with all of you. Just for the record, I never had this high attendance in any of the semesters till date which was even brought to my notice by my family :P I hope we have touched FOSS well enough for you to explore further. FOSS for me is a very emotional affair, its something that I was long been longing for. I feel delighted to be associated with each one of you. If someone asks me what is my contribution to FOSS till now, I would say "JIIT" without any second thoughts. I feel very fortunate that I could convince you people to join this side of software development. Lastly, I wish that everyone who participated will not let the FOSS inside you die with the receipt of certificate. It took birth to grow and blossom. It would be very disheartening if the number of FOSSy guys from Workshop drops. We had some 80+ guys at the beginning and on last day we had 40+. Some of our friends left in between the workshop due to various reasons. Though they did miss out on some things but NOTHING is lost. If you have some complains/doubts/anything, please post on this thread. Don't keep it inside you. We in FOSS world don't close anything, we share!! Also, I request you to work towards spreading the FOSSness around JIIT. There were many who did not join us this time. They also need to be made aware of what we are upto. Talk about your experience and share your knowledge with others to achieve this. Ask for help if you feel and I believe you know what/how to do in FOSS. I hope you have put up the stickers wherever possible. :) Also, I have done a small exercise in past 2 day to sum up the workshop. I will divulge the details soon(its a surprise!). Next, I was wondering if we can call ourselves FOSS family?? I have some roles/plans for this family and everyone will easily fit in it. Please do post here and express your views about anything. (BUT, please don't hijack the thread) :) Keep you doubts/concerns pouring on JIIT-LUG. We have not started to stop. Wishing you all happy vacations and a fun-filled FOSS journey, I hereby announce Linux Workshop un-officialy closed! Let the FOSSness spread!! -- Prakhar Agarwal Linux User# 474643 http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Prakhar "Life is the greatest teacher" -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rodrigopadula at projetofedora.org Wed Dec 17 14:35:55 2008 From: rodrigopadula at projetofedora.org (Rodrigo Padula de Oliveira) Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 12:35:55 -0200 Subject: [Ambassadors] exciting news for Fedora in LATAM In-Reply-To: <20081216132220.GF24772@localhost.localdomain> References: <20081216132220.GF24772@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <49490E4B.8000905@projetofedora.org> Paul W. Frields escreveu: > On Tue, Dec 16, 2008 at 01:46:34PM +0100, Max Spevack wrote: >> Re-posting from my blog: >> http://spevack.livejournal.com/70806.html >> >> It's my pleasure to inform the Fedora community that our long-time LATAM >> community superstar, Rodrigo Padula, has accepted a job with Red Hat's >> LATAM marketing team, and will officially get his red fedora on February >> 2nd. > > This is great news for Red Hat, great news for the LATAM community, > and great news for the whole Fedora Project. Rodrigo, we look forward > to working with you! Thank you fellows ambassadors! 2009 will be a great year for Fedora on LATAM! I will do my best for Fedora and Red Hat here. It's a pleasure to work with you guys! -- Rodrigo Padula de Oliveira M.Sc. Student - COPPE/UFRJ Fedora Community Manager - Latin America http://www.proyectofedora.org From inode0 at gmail.com Wed Dec 17 14:45:52 2008 From: inode0 at gmail.com (inode0) Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 08:45:52 -0600 Subject: [Ambassadors] Re: spending our Q4 money (README) In-Reply-To: References: <20081215145225.GA26941@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: On Mon, Dec 15, 2008 at 8:55 AM, Max Spevack wrote: > On Mon, 15 Dec 2008, Paul W. Frields wrote: > >> One possibility I had previously raised with the NA guys was purchasing a >> nicer backdrop for our "big" shows, to give a more polished, professional >> appearance. Expenditures that help our appearance should take a back seat >> to those that help produce more substantial project growth. Nevertheless it >> would be nice to have a booth setup that is self-contained and >> free-standing. > > Well, things like this -- investment in resources that can be used at > multiple events during the coming calendar year -- is exactly what I'm > hoping to spend some of the Q4 budget on. This is a lighter quarter for > events, and therefore if we purchase the stuff that we need for events, when > the heavy event quarters come back around next year, we'll have more money > for travel and things like that. > > I want to invest in the infrastructure of Ambassadors while we have the > chance to. Given our media needs for F10 I'm not sure we have the chance this quarter even though our event schedule is light. We still need to purchase the media in fairly large quantities. The goal of investing in permanent infrastructure is one I think we all agree with. After OLF we spent some time looking at vendors who provide backdrops similar to the one our next door neighbors used at that event. Those are fairly expensive and have a couple of other downsides to remember. Due to cost we probably could only get one and use it at the very largest conferences. It would be an item that would require additional recurring shipping charges. It would not remotely fit into an event box so it would require separate shipping and transportation to each event. There are less expensive, more portable, and still nice and polished display options. These often go by the name of banner stands. Here is one that was recommended during our discussions last evening. http://www.postupstand.com/products/scrolling-banner.htm These are available in more or less fancy flavors and can be sized to be transported inside event boxes which would be a bonus to the event organizers, reduce recurring shipping costs, and make them available to a broader range of events. While I love the nice big professional backdrop for the booth I also think we might get a bigger bang for our advertising dollar by starting with something smaller. John From thinklinux.ssh at gmail.com Wed Dec 17 14:51:37 2008 From: thinklinux.ssh at gmail.com (susmit shannigrahi) Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 20:21:37 +0530 Subject: [Ambassadors] Fedora booth at IOTA convention at Science City, Kolkata. Message-ID: IOTA[1], a society under the Dept of IT, Govt. Of West Bengal is organising a convention on "Freedom in Computer Technology".[2] There will be eminent speakers[3] here. Also there will be people from corporate and universities. Participation if free. I have managed to secure a booth for Fedora. Also it gives the ambassadors from Eastern India the opportunity to meet up. (Unoffcially though). So we need volunteers to attend the booth. Also I shall request all the Ambassadors from Kolkata and nearby to please come up so that we can meet. Please register here http://iotawb.org/registration.html I have talked with them and they are open to extend the registration period, in case anyone left out. The date of convention is 26/27/28 Dec. 2008. For any other questions please let me know. [1] http://iotawb.org/ [2] http://iotawb.org/fctprog.html [3]http://iotawb.org/program.html -- Regards, Susmit. ============================================= ssh 0x86DD170A http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/user:susmit ============================================= From stickster at gmail.com Wed Dec 17 14:59:04 2008 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 09:59:04 -0500 Subject: [Ambassadors] Re: spending our Q4 money (README) In-Reply-To: References: <20081215145225.GA26941@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <20081217145904.GK4053@localhost.localdomain> On Wed, Dec 17, 2008 at 08:45:52AM -0600, inode0 wrote: > On Mon, Dec 15, 2008 at 8:55 AM, Max Spevack wrote: > > On Mon, 15 Dec 2008, Paul W. Frields wrote: > > > >> One possibility I had previously raised with the NA guys was purchasing a > >> nicer backdrop for our "big" shows, to give a more polished, professional > >> appearance. Expenditures that help our appearance should take a back seat > >> to those that help produce more substantial project growth. Nevertheless it > >> would be nice to have a booth setup that is self-contained and > >> free-standing. > > > > Well, things like this -- investment in resources that can be used at > > multiple events during the coming calendar year -- is exactly what I'm > > hoping to spend some of the Q4 budget on. This is a lighter quarter for > > events, and therefore if we purchase the stuff that we need for events, when > > the heavy event quarters come back around next year, we'll have more money > > for travel and things like that. > > > > I want to invest in the infrastructure of Ambassadors while we have the > > chance to. > > Given our media needs for F10 I'm not sure we have the chance this > quarter even though our event schedule is light. We still need to > purchase the media in fairly large quantities. > > The goal of investing in permanent infrastructure is one I think we > all agree with. After OLF we spent some time looking at vendors who > provide backdrops similar to the one our next door neighbors used at > that event. Those are fairly expensive and have a couple of other > downsides to remember. Due to cost we probably could only get one and > use it at the very largest conferences. It would be an item that would > require additional recurring shipping charges. It would not remotely > fit into an event box so it would require separate shipping and > transportation to each event. > > There are less expensive, more portable, and still nice and polished > display options. These often go by the name of banner stands. Here is > one that was recommended during our discussions last evening. > > http://www.postupstand.com/products/scrolling-banner.htm > > These are available in more or less fancy flavors and can be sized to > be transported inside event boxes which would be a bonus to the event > organizers, reduce recurring shipping costs, and make them available > to a broader range of events. > > While I love the nice big professional backdrop for the booth I also > think we might get a bigger bang for our advertising dollar by > starting with something smaller. Options are great! In no way do I want to dictate the type of booth setup materials that we buy, nor do I want our booth to look just like someone else's. I would just like something nicer than what we have -- if and only if our budget will support it without shorting more pressing needs. Honestly, I would leave the comparisons and decision making up to the Ambassadors and FAMSCo, as it should be. -- Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Until now, my impression, wrongly it appears, was that we were locked into either SCaLE or SELF, the latter of which was deemed to be too close to FUDcon. If LFNW is an option, we should look at it closely, not only because of the time factor involved -- both in organizational terms as well as financial terms (this falls in Q1, right?) -- but also in the fact that this is an historical year for LFNW, it's 10th anniversary. I'll retain ownership of this, needless to say, but I think it might be best to take a closer look at LFNW rather than rush to make SCaLE. I'll do the legwork on both and report back during the course of the week and have something for Tuesday's meeting. But those are my thoughts after reading the minutes and, naturally, I welcome input on the issue. Lots. Larry Cafiero -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Event boxes are another example of this and we are going to budget for a second event box in Q4 to be ready for the busy conference season ahead in 2009. John From mspevack at redhat.com Wed Dec 17 15:55:12 2008 From: mspevack at redhat.com (Max Spevack) Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 16:55:12 +0100 (CET) Subject: Revisiting FADNA (was: Re: [Ambassadors] FAmNA Meeting Summary from 2008-12-17) In-Reply-To: <7a0d56080812170746s5e23187dn909248a066b5adfe@mail.gmail.com> References: <7a0d56080812170746s5e23187dn909248a066b5adfe@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 17 Dec 2008, Larry Cafiero wrote: > If LFNW is an option, we should look at it closely, not only because > of the time factor involved -- both in organizational terms as well as > financial terms (this falls in Q1, right?) -- but also in the fact > that this is an historical year for LFNW, it's 10th anniversary. > > I'll retain ownership of this, needless to say, but I think it might > be best to take a closer look at LFNW rather than rush to make SCaLE. > I'll do the legwork on both and report back during the course of the > week and have something for Tuesday's meeting. But those are my > thoughts after reading the minutes and, naturally, I welcome input on > the issue. Lots. I recommend involving Jesse Keating in LinuxFest Northwest planning, regardless of how grand or minor we want to make the event. It's basically in his backyard, and I'm sure he'll want to participate and/or own the event. I've Cc'd him on this message. --Max From inode0 at gmail.com Wed Dec 17 16:00:36 2008 From: inode0 at gmail.com (inode0) Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 10:00:36 -0600 Subject: Revisiting FADNA (was: Re: [Ambassadors] FAmNA Meeting Summary from 2008-12-17) In-Reply-To: References: <7a0d56080812170746s5e23187dn909248a066b5adfe@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Wed, Dec 17, 2008 at 9:55 AM, Max Spevack wrote: > On Wed, 17 Dec 2008, Larry Cafiero wrote: > >> If LFNW is an option, we should look at it closely, not only because of >> the time factor involved -- both in organizational terms as well as >> financial terms (this falls in Q1, right?) -- but also in the fact that this >> is an historical year for LFNW, it's 10th anniversary. >> >> I'll retain ownership of this, needless to say, but I think it might be >> best to take a closer look at LFNW rather than rush to make SCaLE. I'll do >> the legwork on both and report back during the course of the week and have >> something for Tuesday's meeting. But those are my thoughts after reading the >> minutes and, naturally, I welcome input on the issue. Lots. > > I recommend involving Jesse Keating in LinuxFest Northwest planning, > regardless of how grand or minor we want to make the event. It's basically > in his backyard, and I'm sure he'll want to participate and/or own the > event. LFNW does have nicer timing. April is a bit farther away from other events ambassadors might like to attend. It also is in Q1 which perhaps would allow more budget to be allocated to it. I would be happy with it as a host for FADNA as well. John From mspevack at redhat.com Wed Dec 17 20:14:44 2008 From: mspevack at redhat.com (Max Spevack) Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 21:14:44 +0100 (CET) Subject: [Ambassadors] F10 release events -- reimbursement $$$ Message-ID: If you have not been reimbursed for your F10 release event, please send your receipts and your PayPal information to me off-list, and I will try to get the money to you before I go on Christmas vacation. Thank you so much for all your hard work organizing these events. The reports and pictures have been fantastic. --Max From jsimon at fedoraproject.org Wed Dec 17 20:41:57 2008 From: jsimon at fedoraproject.org (JoergSimon) Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 21:41:57 +0100 Subject: [Ambassadors] Fedora Ambassadors Welcome Message-ID: <200812172141.57238.jsimon@fedoraproject.org> Dear Ambassadors, let?s welcome our new sponsored Ambassador Group Members: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Gbraad from Apeldoorn, The Netherlands https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Vijaykakkar from New Delhi, India https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Pedrosilva from Portugal https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:minholi from Brazil Regards Joerg p.s. Please do not send private "Welcome" Messages to Ambassador List -- Joerg (kital) Simon jsimon at fedoraproject.org http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/JoergSimon http://kitall.blogspot.com Key Fingerprint: 3691 0989 2DCA 58A2 8D1F 2CAC C823 558E 5B5B 5688 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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A fifteen minute overview of the Fedora Core 10 release began over an hour of questions and answers session about the new FC10 release as well a Fedora in general. Fedora Core 10 Live CDs were free for the taking with approximately 8 CDs being taken for use elsewhere. A few people had their laptop in hand and tried Fedora right on the spot tonight! A few other people had brought USB flash drives so that they could try the non-destructive and persistent installs of Fedora. There was even interest for the "Sugar" spin of Fedora! The meeting room, overhead projection as well as all pizza and beverages were provided by Yoh. (So, absolutely no cost to the Fedora Project for this release party! I gladly donated the Live CDs) Thank you everyone for your advice and mentoring these past few months. I felt very comfortable speaking about Fedora with this group because of the support from all of you on the Ambassador's list. -- Kam Salisbury http://kamsalisbury.com GPG key: FAF1751E -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bpowell01 at gmail.com Thu Dec 18 03:13:39 2008 From: bpowell01 at gmail.com (Brian Powell) Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 22:13:39 -0500 Subject: [Ambassadors] Philadelphia FC10 Release Party Success! In-Reply-To: <818ac3c70812171909jc3e139j88b1cffba87b9dfb@mail.gmail.com> References: <818ac3c70812171909jc3e139j88b1cffba87b9dfb@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <96365e610812171913h1ec4ef4ew7c51cda250df64c0@mail.gmail.com> 2008/12/17 Kam Salisbury : > A great Linux Meetup happened tonight ( > http://linux.meetup.com/432/calendar/9014167/ ) > > For the Philadelphia Pennsylvania USA Fedora Core 10 release party, 13 > people met tonight at 7pm EST in the Day & Zimmerman building. A fifteen > minute overview of the Fedora Core 10 release began over an hour of > questions and answers session about the new FC10 release as well a Fedora in > general. > > Fedora Core 10 Live CDs were free for the taking with approximately 8 CDs > being taken for use elsewhere. A few people had their laptop in hand and > tried Fedora right on the spot tonight! A few other people had brought USB > flash drives so that they could try the non-destructive and persistent > installs of Fedora. There was even interest for the "Sugar" spin of Fedora! > > The meeting room, overhead projection as well as all pizza and beverages > were provided by Yoh. (So, absolutely no cost to the Fedora Project for this > release party! I gladly donated the Live CDs) > > Thank you everyone for your advice and mentoring these past few months. I > felt very comfortable speaking about Fedora with this group because of the > support from all of you on the Ambassador's list. > > -- > Kam Salisbury > http://kamsalisbury.com > GPG key: FAF1751E > > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > > Kam, Great to hear the success from your event! Excellent report as well. Keep up the great work! -- Regards, BrianPowell http://fedoraproject.org http://wnylug.org From kam at kamsalisbury.com Thu Dec 18 03:16:26 2008 From: kam at kamsalisbury.com (Kam Salisbury) Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 22:16:26 -0500 Subject: [Ambassadors] Re: spending our Q4 money (README) In-Reply-To: References: <20081215145225.GA26941@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <818ac3c70812171916j594b7d26ka9166bec1855486b@mail.gmail.com> On Wed, Dec 17, 2008 at 9:45 AM, inode0 wrote: > On Mon, Dec 15, 2008 at 8:55 AM, Max Spevack wrote: > > On Mon, 15 Dec 2008, Paul W. Frields wrote: > > > >> One possibility I had previously raised with the NA guys was purchasing > a > >> nicer backdrop for our "big" shows, to give a more polished, > professional > >> appearance. Expenditures that help our appearance should take a back > seat > >> to those that help produce more substantial project growth. > Nevertheless it > >> would be nice to have a booth setup that is self-contained and > >> free-standing. > -snip > > > While I love the nice big professional backdrop for the booth I also > think we might get a bigger bang for our advertising dollar by > starting with something smaller. > > John > > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > Is it an option to go with a small presentation projector? Displaying Fedora on the blank back wall of the booth? It allows a demonstration capability as well as banner type displays. A smaller banner could still be used in this type of configuration. -- Kam Salisbury http://kamsalisbury.com GPG key: FAF1751E -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From herlo1 at gmail.com Thu Dec 18 05:11:16 2008 From: herlo1 at gmail.com (Clint Savage) Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 22:11:16 -0700 Subject: [Ambassadors] DVD Media for North America Message-ID: Hi all, So I anticipated this somewhat, but was hoping the prices were a bit closer to the CD media. It turns out the media company we chose for replicating CDs gave us a great price: Item Quantity Price per Disc Total Price x86 Live CDs 3000 $.576 $1728 These discs are in production and are slated to arrive on my doorstep December 23. (A discussion of distribution has already been had, so please don't address that here.) Unfortunately, and it makes total sense, the DVD media requires more components and such, so the pricing is a bit higher: x86 Install DVDs 3000 $.785 $2355 x86_64 Install DVDs 3000 $.785 $2355 Which brings us to the dilemma. The budget we just finished at yesterday's meeting indicates that we wanted two runs of DVDs at $1800. Had I been thinking about it, the costs should have been higher for DVDs over CDs, so I apologize for the at oversight. However, the dilemma still remains, thus we have some options. I discussed some of this with folks in IRC this evening and here are the options I see possible. Option 1: Produce Live CDs for x86_64 as well as a smaller run of x86 Install DVDs (approximately $1800 worth) Option 2: Produce smaller amounts of the installer DVDs (both x86 and x86_64), approximately 2300 could be produced at this price. The price point might be higher, I've got an email into the media company asking this exact question. Option 3: Produce more Live CDs of x86_64 and then add Live CDs for x86 (or respins if they are ready soon). This would ignore the install DVDs totally, and isn't an unreasonable idea, but I'm not for this one. There are probably other options, combinations of these that I didn't list because of time/space. If you think one of these are viable, let's talk about them over the next couple days. I'd like to place the order on Friday before 5pm EST. Cheers, Clint From bpowell01 at gmail.com Thu Dec 18 05:21:34 2008 From: bpowell01 at gmail.com (Brian Powell) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 00:21:34 -0500 Subject: [Ambassadors] DVD Media for North America In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <96365e610812172121s71da4d63la36bf133cff5dd5e@mail.gmail.com> On Thu, Dec 18, 2008 at 12:11 AM, Clint Savage wrote: > Hi all, > > So I anticipated this somewhat, but was hoping the prices were a bit > closer to the CD media. It turns out the media company we chose for > replicating CDs gave us a great price: > > Item Quantity Price per Disc > Total Price > > x86 Live CDs 3000 $.576 $1728 > > These discs are in production and are slated to arrive on my doorstep > December 23. (A discussion of distribution has already been had, so > please don't address that here.) > > Unfortunately, and it makes total sense, the DVD media requires more > components and such, so the pricing is a bit higher: > > x86 Install DVDs 3000 $.785 $2355 > x86_64 Install DVDs 3000 $.785 $2355 > > Which brings us to the dilemma. The budget we just finished at > yesterday's meeting indicates that we wanted two runs of DVDs at > $1800. Had I been thinking about it, the costs should have been > higher for DVDs over CDs, so I apologize for the at oversight. > However, the dilemma still remains, thus we have some options. I > discussed some of this with folks in IRC this evening and here are the > options I see possible. > > Option 1: Produce Live CDs for x86_64 as well as a smaller run of x86 > Install DVDs (approximately $1800 worth) > Option 2: Produce smaller amounts of the installer DVDs (both x86 and > x86_64), approximately 2300 could be produced at this price. The > price point might be higher, I've got an email into the media company > asking this exact question. > Option 3: Produce more Live CDs of x86_64 and then add Live CDs for > x86 (or respins if they are ready soon). This would ignore the > install DVDs totally, and isn't an unreasonable idea, but I'm not for > this one. > > There are probably other options, combinations of these that I didn't > list because of time/space. If you think one of these are viable, > let's talk about them over the next couple days. I'd like to place > the order on Friday before 5pm EST. > > Cheers, > > Clint > > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > Clint, My opinion is Option 2: Produce smaller amounts of the installer DVDs (both x86 and x86_64), In my experience I have more people asking for install DVD's than I do live's, so I would sooner go with a smaller run of live's than I would install DVD's. Just my 2 cents. -- Regards, Brian Powell http://fedoraproject.org http://wnylug.org From slasherzee at yahoo.com Thu Dec 18 07:20:45 2008 From: slasherzee at yahoo.com (Doug Berry) Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 23:20:45 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Ambassadors] About creating a Fedora coffee table book.... Message-ID: <855893.50124.qm@web63504.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Hey Guys, I think Ian, Jack, and Lisa, and all the others, have come up with a great idea. A Fedora coffee table book would be a great visual aide as well as a great keepsake for the Fedora community. Pictures from all over the world would demonstrate the diversity of the Fedora community, like nothing else. I am a book packager and author. I have put together several books, both my own and for others, and I think I have a fair understanding of what might entail with putting together a coffee table book. So let me chime in as follows. First the downside: 1. Coffee table books, or any picture book, are the most expensive books to create and publish, going. The "4-color" offset process means four plates for every image or picture. 2. Ordinary snapshots, taken at an event or FUDCON, would be totally unsuitable for such a book. Mainly because of quality, but also because of content. Web graphics, as many of you know, look fine at 72 DPI (dots per inch), which is the standard setting in the GIMP for web graphics. But picture book quality graphics, especially large visual images, start at 600 DPI. Many publishers now want 1200 DPI: and up. 3. Most high quality pictures (above 600 DPI) are staged. Meaning they are models (or ordinary people) being absolutely still. Any movement appears as a blur. 4. The above means the pictures must be shot with a high quality camera. Cameras that will overcome movement are expensive. 5. Such books usually use high quality and thus, more expensive paper suitable for photo images (and water-proof), adding to the end price of the book. 6. Binding for such a book, is usually stitched. Perfect Bound, clumps of folded pages glued together, the most inexpensive binding going, would need a larger amount of pages, usually above 130 before they will hold together. 7. Taking all of this into account, the cost-driven price of such a book would probably be in the $25.00 dollar range and up, even as a paperback. Assuming there was a need to generate a profit from the book. 8. Coffee table books are usually larger, 11 x 16, or something. The size will determine the photographs used and will establish a quality goal for them. A 6 x 8 photo may look good at that size, but scale it up to say 12 x 16 and it may be unsuitable. An old rule of thumb is to scan photos instead of scaling them. Scaling is one-dimensional; scanning allows you options. The plus side: Now, having said all that, I still think it would be doable. The main downside would be getting the high quality photographs we would need. That would mean we would have to be selective in the photo-images we used. We could possibly use images from a FUDCON, but not all images. Maybe some could be cropped and be suitable, others could be dithered with, others still might pass right from the start. But we would probably need hundreds of photographs to get the few necessary. That means that having hundreds of people sending in stacks of photos, is probably not going to work. A photo has to be chosen according to its print quality and not just "cool" content. As much as we would all like to have a copy of that photo showing Paul Fields shoving Bill Gates off a cliff, if it does not print well it would not make the book. However, there is a reliable test everyone can do to weed out the unsuitable pictures before they get submitted, meaning that whoever is selecting the photos for a book, would not be as swamped. This is a simple test that many printers use to determine photo quality for printed material. Take the photo, run it through a scanner, one that you can set the resolution and DPI values to at least 600 DPI. And you can play with these values somewhat. High quality scanners often allow you to dither with the photo. Now, don't look at the image on your computer screen, print it out and see what you get. Even a cheap ink jet printer (or better) will give you an idea of what the results will be. The actual packaging of the book is nothing. I or someone else could do that for nothing. There have been several books packaged using Scribus, an up-stream open source package that was not part of F10, but easily added. So, having said all that, please understand that I am not claiming to be the "be all and end all" of publishing or book packaging. In fact, I am probably somewhat behind the times and if anybody has a better idea or way, lets hear it. But I know enough to know that creating a quality book product depends on the quality of the material that makes up the book and not just the publishing or printing aspect. I have not even mentioned publishers, or printers. Today they are really just middlemen; publishers are quickly becoming book marketers and not book creators. They are still necessary, but are slowly becoming obsolete as the industry reels from innovation. So, perhaps we could do this as a start. Maybe we could get a couple hundred photos, from all over the planet and the Fedora community, and pass them around a committee. Everyone chooses the ones they like and we toss the rest. Then we could put the selected ones on-line and people could vote or something. For a 110 page book, with print quality photographs on the base pages and text on the back pages, we would need probably 50 or 60 good photographs. Double that with photos on the back pages. So, what do say you? Anyone want to take a shot at this? -- w Douglas Berry -- slasherzee at fedoraproject.org From ppapadeas at gmail.com Thu Dec 18 09:48:45 2008 From: ppapadeas at gmail.com (Papadeas Pierros) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 11:48:45 +0200 Subject: [Ambassadors] Philadelphia FC10 Release Party Success! In-Reply-To: <96365e610812171913h1ec4ef4ew7c51cda250df64c0@mail.gmail.com> References: <818ac3c70812171909jc3e139j88b1cffba87b9dfb@mail.gmail.com> <96365e610812171913h1ec4ef4ew7c51cda250df64c0@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1229593725.4554.8.camel@morpheus.mygroup> On Wed, 2008-12-17 at 22:13 -0500, Brian Powell wrote: > 2008/12/17 Kam Salisbury : > > A great Linux Meetup happened tonight ( > > http://linux.meetup.com/432/calendar/9014167/ ) > > > > For the Philadelphia Pennsylvania USA Fedora Core 10 release party, 13 > > people met tonight at 7pm EST in the Day & Zimmerman building. A fifteen > > minute overview of the Fedora Core 10 release began over an hour of > > questions and answers session about the new FC10 release as well a Fedora in > > general. > > > > Fedora Core 10 Live CDs were free for the taking with approximately 8 CDs > > being taken for use elsewhere. A few people had their laptop in hand and > > tried Fedora right on the spot tonight! A few other people had brought USB > > flash drives so that they could try the non-destructive and persistent > > installs of Fedora. There was even interest for the "Sugar" spin of Fedora! > > > > The meeting room, overhead projection as well as all pizza and beverages > > were provided by Yoh. (So, absolutely no cost to the Fedora Project for this > > release party! I gladly donated the Live CDs) > > > > Thank you everyone for your advice and mentoring these past few months. I > > felt very comfortable speaking about Fedora with this group because of the > > support from all of you on the Ambassador's list. > > > > -- > > Kam Salisbury > > http://kamsalisbury.com > > GPG key: FAF1751E > > > > -- > > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > > > > > > Kam, > > Great to hear the success from your event! Excellent report as well. > > Keep up the great work! > Indeed well done for the great job! Just a little reminder: Across internet there are many users that continue to refer to Fedora OS as "Fedora Core" This matter is resolved from Fedora 7 [1] and it's a same to feedback the naming FC to the internet users. I hope this little thing to be corrected for the next Fedora Release Event. Keep "fedoring"! ~? -------------------------- Pierros Papadeas PGP key: 0x6130DBF8 liknus @ GRnet , Freenode -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 197 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From ppapadeas at gmail.com Thu Dec 18 09:57:42 2008 From: ppapadeas at gmail.com (Papadeas Pierros) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 11:57:42 +0200 Subject: [Ambassadors] DVD Media for North America In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1229594262.4554.15.camel@morpheus.mygroup> On Wed, 2008-12-17 at 22:11 -0700, Clint Savage wrote: > Hi all, > > So I anticipated this somewhat, but was hoping the prices were a bit > closer to the CD media. It turns out the media company we chose for > replicating CDs gave us a great price: > > Item Quantity Price per Disc > Total Price > > x86 Live CDs 3000 $.576 $1728 > > These discs are in production and are slated to arrive on my doorstep > December 23. (A discussion of distribution has already been had, so > please don't address that here.) > > Unfortunately, and it makes total sense, the DVD media requires more > components and such, so the pricing is a bit higher: > > x86 Install DVDs 3000 $.785 $2355 > x86_64 Install DVDs 3000 $.785 $2355 > > Which brings us to the dilemma. The budget we just finished at > yesterday's meeting indicates that we wanted two runs of DVDs at > $1800. Had I been thinking about it, the costs should have been > higher for DVDs over CDs, so I apologize for the at oversight. > However, the dilemma still remains, thus we have some options. I > discussed some of this with folks in IRC this evening and here are the > options I see possible. > > Option 1: Produce Live CDs for x86_64 as well as a smaller run of x86 > Install DVDs (approximately $1800 worth) > Option 2: Produce smaller amounts of the installer DVDs (both x86 and > x86_64), approximately 2300 could be produced at this price. The > price point might be higher, I've got an email into the media company > asking this exact question. > Option 3: Produce more Live CDs of x86_64 and then add Live CDs for > x86 (or respins if they are ready soon). This would ignore the > install DVDs totally, and isn't an unreasonable idea, but I'm not for > this one. > > There are probably other options, combinations of these that I didn't > list because of time/space. If you think one of these are viable, > let's talk about them over the next couple days. I'd like to place > the order on Friday before 5pm EST. > > Cheers, > > Clint > > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list Great prices indeed. I would go for Option 1, as during our events (EMEA events) many asked for a Live 64bit and the use of DVD-32bit is declining... The live CDs must not be less in quantity. Nevertheless my opinion is that we should as a project the use of x86_64 over the years little by little. This could be done by just producing more x86_64 that x86. ~? -- -------------------------- Pierros Papadeas PGP key: 0x6130DBF8 liknus @ GRnet , Freenode -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 197 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From david at gnsa.us Thu Dec 18 11:58:58 2008 From: david at gnsa.us (David Nalley) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 06:58:58 -0500 Subject: [Ambassadors] DVD Media for North America In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Thu, Dec 18, 2008 at 12:11 AM, Clint Savage wrote: > Hi all, > > So I anticipated this somewhat, but was hoping the prices were a bit > closer to the CD media. It turns out the media company we chose for > replicating CDs gave us a great price: > > Item Quantity Price per Disc > Total Price > > x86 Live CDs 3000 $.576 $1728 > > These discs are in production and are slated to arrive on my doorstep > December 23. (A discussion of distribution has already been had, so > please don't address that here.) > > Unfortunately, and it makes total sense, the DVD media requires more > components and such, so the pricing is a bit higher: > > x86 Install DVDs 3000 $.785 $2355 > x86_64 Install DVDs 3000 $.785 $2355 > > Which brings us to the dilemma. The budget we just finished at > yesterday's meeting indicates that we wanted two runs of DVDs at > $1800. Had I been thinking about it, the costs should have been > higher for DVDs over CDs, so I apologize for the at oversight. > However, the dilemma still remains, thus we have some options. I > discussed some of this with folks in IRC this evening and here are the > options I see possible. > > Option 1: Produce Live CDs for x86_64 as well as a smaller run of x86 > Install DVDs (approximately $1800 worth) > Option 2: Produce smaller amounts of the installer DVDs (both x86 and > x86_64), approximately 2300 could be produced at this price. The > price point might be higher, I've got an email into the media company > asking this exact question. > Option 3: Produce more Live CDs of x86_64 and then add Live CDs for > x86 (or respins if they are ready soon). This would ignore the > install DVDs totally, and isn't an unreasonable idea, but I'm not for > this one. > > There are probably other options, combinations of these that I didn't > list because of time/space. If you think one of these are viable, > let's talk about them over the next couple days. I'd like to place > the order on Friday before 5pm EST. > > Cheers, > > Clint > > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > I am somewhat disappointed in timing of stuff in production. Given that we handed over an ISO ~20th of November this means their time to produce is going to be in excess of a month. In addition the date keeps slipping. That said - I am not in favor of us ordering again before we have the CDs in hand, esp. given their continued schedule slips. Perhaps we can use that as leverage to get media sooner. Since we have an additional 5 days I'd argue we should put the DVD order out for bid, if for no other reason than to have pricing leverage and other options should we not like the product. We already know we don't like their timing. What were their terms on delivery guarantee? (I thought it was 10 days after we provided an ISO) Part of the reason that this is such a concern from my perspective is that we a really short window - 6 months - that media is really able to be used. 23rd puts us almost 1 month past release. Another month waiting on DVDs (or 2 months given that it's two different ISOs) puts us 1/3 or 1/2 way through the cycle, which IMO is untenable. Perhaps we need to evaluate using some of the 3600 money for on-demand delivery from Karlie and use the balance for ordering what can be delivered. That said - if we can work out the scheduling problems, option 2 seems more realistic. From david at gnsa.us Thu Dec 18 12:06:16 2008 From: david at gnsa.us (David Nalley) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 07:06:16 -0500 Subject: [Ambassadors] Re: spending our Q4 money (README) In-Reply-To: <818ac3c70812171916j594b7d26ka9166bec1855486b@mail.gmail.com> References: <20081215145225.GA26941@localhost.localdomain> <818ac3c70812171916j594b7d26ka9166bec1855486b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: 2008/12/17 Kam Salisbury : > On Wed, Dec 17, 2008 at 9:45 AM, inode0 wrote: >> >> On Mon, Dec 15, 2008 at 8:55 AM, Max Spevack wrote: >> > On Mon, 15 Dec 2008, Paul W. Frields wrote: >> > >> >> One possibility I had previously raised with the NA guys was purchasing >> >> a >> >> nicer backdrop for our "big" shows, to give a more polished, >> >> professional >> >> appearance. Expenditures that help our appearance should take a back >> >> seat >> >> to those that help produce more substantial project growth. >> >> Nevertheless it >> >> would be nice to have a booth setup that is self-contained and >> >> free-standing. >> -snip >> >> While I love the nice big professional backdrop for the booth I also >> think we might get a bigger bang for our advertising dollar by >> starting with something smaller. >> >> John >> >> -- >> Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list >> Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > > Is it an option to go with a small presentation projector? Displaying Fedora > on the blank back wall of the booth? It allows a demonstration capability as > well as banner type displays. A smaller banner could still be used in this > type of configuration. > > -- > Kam Salisbury > http://kamsalisbury.com > GPG key: FAF1751E > > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > > That's an interesting idea, especially with some of the new really compact projectors From princedehunza at gmail.com Thu Dec 18 17:58:38 2008 From: princedehunza at gmail.com (Salman Ullah Baig) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 22:58:38 +0500 Subject: [Ambassadors] Regarding password reset In-Reply-To: <1ee8c4800812162359k30b7b11fv4b7a518f48d818ae@mail.gmail.com> References: <1ee8c4800812162359k30b7b11fv4b7a518f48d818ae@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1229623118.14348.1.camel@wazirkutz> The same had happened to me and i went to the resetpass link and i was sent an email to my mail account and I successfully changed my password, now am able to log in to my account.. Cheers!! On Wed, 2008-12-17 at 09:59 +0200, SaadAldine AlSaidi wrote: > When I try to reset my password, on the following link, > https://admin.fedoraproject.org/accounts/user/resetpass, I just get a > blank page, and I never did get any email. > > Any advice. > > > -- > Saadaldine AlSaidi > > IT Manager > AlShora International > Tayyouneh Rotary > Old Saida Road - Princess Buldg. > Beirut - Lebanon > Tel: +961 1 391140 > Fax: +961 1 381140 > Mob: +961 3 934285 > > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list From a.mani.cms at gmail.com Thu Dec 18 13:33:02 2008 From: a.mani.cms at gmail.com (Mani A) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 19:03:02 +0530 Subject: [Ambassadors] Fedora booth at IOTA convention at Science City, Kolkata. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <78323d480812180533h1e4f2979w2ff8c4f5b6e7f7a4@mail.gmail.com> On Wed, Dec 17, 2008 at 8:21 PM, susmit shannigrahi wrote: > IOTA[1], a society under the Dept of IT, Govt. Of West Bengal is > organising a convention on "Freedom in Computer Technology".[2] > There will be eminent speakers[3] here. Also there will be people from > corporate and universities. > Participation if free. > > I have managed to secure a booth for Fedora. > Also it gives the ambassadors from Eastern India the opportunity to > meet up. (Unoffcially though). Maybe we can make it official. > So we need volunteers to attend the booth. Also I shall request all > the Ambassadors from Kolkata and nearby to please come up so that we > can meet. > > The date of convention is 26/27/28 Dec. 2008. I am attending the convention on 27th and the 28th. Booth will remain open from .... to .... hrs ? What activities are planned? I think apart from 1. Fedora media 2. Other promotional pamphlets, etc 3. PCs running Fedora (any open hardware? killer technologies?) we should have a few books on display at least. Best A. Mani -- A. Mani Member, Cal. Math. Soc From thinklinux.ssh at gmail.com Thu Dec 18 14:03:15 2008 From: thinklinux.ssh at gmail.com (susmit shannigrahi) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 19:33:15 +0530 Subject: [Ambassadors] Fedora booth at IOTA convention at Science City, Kolkata. In-Reply-To: <78323d480812180533h1e4f2979w2ff8c4f5b6e7f7a4@mail.gmail.com> References: <78323d480812180533h1e4f2979w2ff8c4f5b6e7f7a4@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: > Maybe we can make it official. I talked to the organisers. That's not possible for them. >> So we need volunteers to attend the booth. Also I shall request all >> the Ambassadors from Kolkata and nearby to please come up so that we >> can meet. >> The date of convention is 26/27/28 Dec. 2008. > I am attending the convention on 27th and the 28th. Great. Other people from kolkata and nearby..are you coming? > Booth will remain open from .... to .... hrs ? Throughout the day. 10-5. > What activities are planned? Distribution/ Display and an unofficial meet of fedora people. > I think apart from > 1. Fedora media > 2. Other promotional pamphlets, etc > 3. PCs running Fedora (any open hardware? killer technologies?) > we should have a few books on display at least. Which books? Any suggestions? And their availability? One more thing I forgot to mention, sorry for the mistake, we shall be sharing this booth with ilug-cal.org, a local lug from kolkata. -- Regards, Susmit. ============================================= ssh 0x86DD170A http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/user:susmit ============================================= From herlo1 at gmail.com Thu Dec 18 14:43:14 2008 From: herlo1 at gmail.com (Clint Savage) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 07:43:14 -0700 Subject: [Ambassadors] DVD Media for North America In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Thu, Dec 18, 2008 at 4:58 AM, David Nalley wrote: > On Thu, Dec 18, 2008 at 12:11 AM, Clint Savage wrote: >> Hi all, >> >> So I anticipated this somewhat, but was hoping the prices were a bit >> closer to the CD media. It turns out the media company we chose for >> replicating CDs gave us a great price: >> >> Item Quantity Price per Disc >> Total Price >> >> x86 Live CDs 3000 $.576 $1728 >> >> These discs are in production and are slated to arrive on my doorstep >> December 23. (A discussion of distribution has already been had, so >> please don't address that here.) >> >> Unfortunately, and it makes total sense, the DVD media requires more >> components and such, so the pricing is a bit higher: >> >> x86 Install DVDs 3000 $.785 $2355 >> x86_64 Install DVDs 3000 $.785 $2355 >> >> Which brings us to the dilemma. The budget we just finished at >> yesterday's meeting indicates that we wanted two runs of DVDs at >> $1800. Had I been thinking about it, the costs should have been >> higher for DVDs over CDs, so I apologize for the at oversight. >> However, the dilemma still remains, thus we have some options. I >> discussed some of this with folks in IRC this evening and here are the >> options I see possible. >> >> Option 1: Produce Live CDs for x86_64 as well as a smaller run of x86 >> Install DVDs (approximately $1800 worth) >> Option 2: Produce smaller amounts of the installer DVDs (both x86 and >> x86_64), approximately 2300 could be produced at this price. The >> price point might be higher, I've got an email into the media company >> asking this exact question. >> Option 3: Produce more Live CDs of x86_64 and then add Live CDs for >> x86 (or respins if they are ready soon). This would ignore the >> install DVDs totally, and isn't an unreasonable idea, but I'm not for >> this one. >> >> There are probably other options, combinations of these that I didn't >> list because of time/space. If you think one of these are viable, >> let's talk about them over the next couple days. I'd like to place >> the order on Friday before 5pm EST. >> >> Cheers, >> >> Clint >> >> -- >> Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list >> Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list >> > > I am somewhat disappointed in timing of stuff in production. Given > that we handed over an ISO ~20th of November this means their time to > produce is going to be in excess of a month. In addition the date > keeps slipping. That said - I am not in favor of us ordering again > before we have the CDs in hand, esp. given their continued schedule > slips. Perhaps we can use that as leverage to get media sooner. Since > we have an additional 5 days I'd argue we should put the DVD order out > for bid, if for no other reason than to have pricing leverage and > other options should we not like the product. We already know we don't > like their timing. > What were their terms on delivery guarantee? (I thought it was 10 days > after we provided an ISO) Part of the reason that this is such a > concern from my perspective is that we a really short window - 6 > months - that media is really able to be used. 23rd puts us almost 1 > month past release. Another month waiting on DVDs (or 2 months given > that it's two different ISOs) puts us 1/3 or 1/2 way through the > cycle, which IMO is untenable. Perhaps we need to evaluate using some > of the 3600 money for on-demand delivery from Karlie and use the > balance for ordering what can be delivered. I guess some of this is my fault, and so I'll take the blame there. I think we're in a learning process here with the media. I don't feel one month out is all that bad, mainly because there are two, maybe three holidays in the way. There were lots of discussions and adjustments to the schedule due to unforeseen issues. For instance, the Art approval wasn't until Dec 10, which really only puts them 3 days behind schedule. It took me a couple extra days to get the art to them, after Thanksgiving if I remember correctly. > > That said - if we can work out the scheduling problems, option 2 seems > more realistic. I am not trying to defend them, but the price also may have something to do with the timing. Originally, we told them, they would have 3+ weeks to produce media. We hinted at the fact that it wasn't a rush, which I think got us the better price. So to me, while they are behind schedule, it isn't as great as you say. I'll make sure to get a time commitment out of them this time so there is no confusion, but I suspect they'll be able to make a January 7 deadline so that I can bring them to FUDCon. :) Cheers, Clint From david at gnsa.us Thu Dec 18 14:49:32 2008 From: david at gnsa.us (David Nalley) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 09:49:32 -0500 Subject: [Ambassadors] DVD Media for North America In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Thu, Dec 18, 2008 at 9:43 AM, Clint Savage wrote: > On Thu, Dec 18, 2008 at 4:58 AM, David Nalley wrote: >> On Thu, Dec 18, 2008 at 12:11 AM, Clint Savage wrote: >>> Hi all, >>> >>> So I anticipated this somewhat, but was hoping the prices were a bit >>> closer to the CD media. It turns out the media company we chose for >>> replicating CDs gave us a great price: >>> >>> Item Quantity Price per Disc >>> Total Price >>> >>> x86 Live CDs 3000 $.576 $1728 >>> >>> These discs are in production and are slated to arrive on my doorstep >>> December 23. (A discussion of distribution has already been had, so >>> please don't address that here.) >>> >>> Unfortunately, and it makes total sense, the DVD media requires more >>> components and such, so the pricing is a bit higher: >>> >>> x86 Install DVDs 3000 $.785 $2355 >>> x86_64 Install DVDs 3000 $.785 $2355 >>> >>> Which brings us to the dilemma. The budget we just finished at >>> yesterday's meeting indicates that we wanted two runs of DVDs at >>> $1800. Had I been thinking about it, the costs should have been >>> higher for DVDs over CDs, so I apologize for the at oversight. >>> However, the dilemma still remains, thus we have some options. I >>> discussed some of this with folks in IRC this evening and here are the >>> options I see possible. >>> >>> Option 1: Produce Live CDs for x86_64 as well as a smaller run of x86 >>> Install DVDs (approximately $1800 worth) >>> Option 2: Produce smaller amounts of the installer DVDs (both x86 and >>> x86_64), approximately 2300 could be produced at this price. The >>> price point might be higher, I've got an email into the media company >>> asking this exact question. >>> Option 3: Produce more Live CDs of x86_64 and then add Live CDs for >>> x86 (or respins if they are ready soon). This would ignore the >>> install DVDs totally, and isn't an unreasonable idea, but I'm not for >>> this one. >>> >>> There are probably other options, combinations of these that I didn't >>> list because of time/space. If you think one of these are viable, >>> let's talk about them over the next couple days. I'd like to place >>> the order on Friday before 5pm EST. >>> >>> Cheers, >>> >>> Clint >>> >>> -- >>> Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list >>> Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com >>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list >>> >> >> I am somewhat disappointed in timing of stuff in production. Given >> that we handed over an ISO ~20th of November this means their time to >> produce is going to be in excess of a month. In addition the date >> keeps slipping. That said - I am not in favor of us ordering again >> before we have the CDs in hand, esp. given their continued schedule >> slips. Perhaps we can use that as leverage to get media sooner. Since >> we have an additional 5 days I'd argue we should put the DVD order out >> for bid, if for no other reason than to have pricing leverage and >> other options should we not like the product. We already know we don't >> like their timing. >> What were their terms on delivery guarantee? (I thought it was 10 days >> after we provided an ISO) Part of the reason that this is such a >> concern from my perspective is that we a really short window - 6 >> months - that media is really able to be used. 23rd puts us almost 1 >> month past release. Another month waiting on DVDs (or 2 months given >> that it's two different ISOs) puts us 1/3 or 1/2 way through the >> cycle, which IMO is untenable. Perhaps we need to evaluate using some >> of the 3600 money for on-demand delivery from Karlie and use the >> balance for ordering what can be delivered. > > I guess some of this is my fault, and so I'll take the blame there. I > think we're in a learning process here with the media. I don't feel > one month out is all that bad, mainly because there are two, maybe > three holidays in the way. There were lots of discussions and > adjustments to the schedule due to unforeseen issues. For instance, > the Art approval wasn't until Dec 10, which really only puts them 3 > days behind schedule. It took me a couple extra days to get the art > to them, after Thanksgiving if I remember correctly. That makes me feel a bit better. No need to shoulder blame. That said you are right about a learning experience - we should start documenting timelines and when things need to be done. Such as getting artwork sent and approved long before release (and before they have the iso) From rishikesh at fedoraproject.org Thu Dec 18 16:52:41 2008 From: rishikesh at fedoraproject.org (Rishikesh Sharma) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 22:22:41 +0530 Subject: [Ambassadors] F10 release events -- reimbursement $$$ In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <7cb778c60812180852u4df96338xcef3c86262b50e24@mail.gmail.com> I am on APAC region and can i sent my receipts for reimbursement to you directly? I have concluded my release party on 7 December. Regards, Rishikesh Sharma On Thu, Dec 18, 2008 at 1:44 AM, Max Spevack wrote: > If you have not been reimbursed for your F10 release event, please send > your receipts and your PayPal information to me off-list, and I will try to > get the money to you before I go on Christmas vacation. > > Thank you so much for all your hard work organizing these events. The > reports and pictures have been fantastic. > > --Max > > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From flyankur at gmail.com Thu Dec 18 17:57:00 2008 From: flyankur at gmail.com (ankur saxena) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 23:27:00 +0530 Subject: [Ambassadors] Re: JIIT WAP-2008 event reports!!! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4d2e18590812180957x4f6aa49cv9b0166e4a1a164f7@mail.gmail.com> Are you a part of the revolutionary bracket [ Internet | Technology | Opensource] Subscribe to the News letter, be Informed !! keep visiting www.techbracket.net Regards Ankur saxena flyankur at gmail.com On Sun, Dec 14, 2008 at 10:25 AM, susmit shannigrahi < thinklinux.ssh at gmail.com> wrote: > On Sat, Dec 13, 2008 at 9:22 PM, Prakhar Agarwal > wrote: > > Hi guys!! > > Apologies for the delay. I have finally found a work around to access my > > hard drives which were long incarcerated in a dumb(down) PC. > > > > JIIT WAP Event: > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FedoraEvents/ReleaseParty/F10/Noida > > Reports are available here: http://prakhar.miniorb.in/blog/?p=23 > > > > I hope they give an insight into what happened during our workshop. Some > > more reports are in the progress and for that I have encouraged students > to > > be volunteers. I will try to incorporate something from each one and > prepare > > a final draft and post it on my blog mentioned above. Comments are > welcome! > > > That's great. > But it would be nice to have the pictures, if any. > Thanks. > hey everyone, Here is the album of some of the pics of Linux workshop held at jiit, Noida. It was a 15 day workshop orgranized to make all enthusiastic students familiar with linux and help them in development. The workshop also focus many aspects of FOSS . 1. History,some videos also 2. Open Source terminology 3. Importance of Open Source for student/professionals/industry 4. Linux file system 5. Shell 6. vi editor 7. C Programming using gcc 8. Python programming 9. Qt Programming 10. IRC basics + online communication (soft skills) 11. SVN or Git 12. Wiki 13. Software packaging 14. Localization Check out the Album of JIIT lug : http://picasaweb.google.co.in/flyankur/Wap2008LinuxWorkshop > -- > Regards, > Susmit. > > ============================================= > ssh > 0x86DD170A > http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/user:susmit > ============================================= > > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jaa at redhat.com Thu Dec 18 19:06:04 2008 From: jaa at redhat.com (Jack Aboutboul) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 14:06:04 -0500 Subject: [Ambassadors] About creating a Fedora coffee table book.... In-Reply-To: <855893.50124.qm@web63504.mail.re1.yahoo.com> References: <855893.50124.qm@web63504.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <494A9F1C.7040509@redhat.com> This corresponds to a post on the marketing list. Please look there if you seem confused. Jack Doug Berry wrote: > Hey Guys, > > I think Ian, Jack, and Lisa, and all the others, have come up with a great idea. A Fedora coffee table book would be a great visual aide as well as a great keepsake for the Fedora community. Pictures from all over the world would demonstrate the diversity of the Fedora community, like nothing else. > > I am a book packager and author. I have put together several books, both my own and for others, and I think I have a fair understanding of what might entail with putting together a coffee table book. So let me chime in as follows. > > First the downside: > > 1. Coffee table books, or any picture book, are the most expensive books to create and publish, going. The "4-color" offset process means four plates for every image or picture. > 2. Ordinary snapshots, taken at an event or FUDCON, would be totally unsuitable for such a book. Mainly because of quality, but also because of content. Web graphics, as many of you know, look fine at 72 DPI (dots per inch), which is the standard setting in the GIMP for web graphics. But picture book quality graphics, especially large visual images, start at 600 DPI. Many publishers now want 1200 DPI: and up. > 3. Most high quality pictures (above 600 DPI) are staged. Meaning they are models (or ordinary people) being absolutely still. Any movement appears as a blur. > 4. The above means the pictures must be shot with a high quality camera. Cameras that will overcome movement are expensive. > 5. Such books usually use high quality and thus, more expensive paper suitable for photo images (and water-proof), adding to the end price of the book. > 6. Binding for such a book, is usually stitched. Perfect Bound, clumps of folded pages glued together, the most inexpensive binding going, would need a larger amount of pages, usually above 130 before they will hold together. > 7. Taking all of this into account, the cost-driven price of such a book would probably be in the $25.00 dollar range and up, even as a paperback. Assuming there was a need to generate a profit from the book. > 8. Coffee table books are usually larger, 11 x 16, or something. The size will determine the photographs used and will establish a quality goal for them. A 6 x 8 photo may look good at that size, but scale it up to say 12 x 16 and it may be unsuitable. An old rule of thumb is to scan photos instead of scaling them. Scaling is one-dimensional; scanning allows you options. > > The plus side: > > Now, having said all that, I still think it would be doable. The main downside would be getting the high quality photographs we would need. > That would mean we would have to be selective in the photo-images we used. We could possibly use images from a FUDCON, but not all images. Maybe some could be cropped and be suitable, others could be dithered with, others still might pass right from the start. But we would probably need hundreds of photographs to get the few necessary. > > That means that having hundreds of people sending in stacks of photos, is probably not going to work. A photo has to be chosen according to its print quality and not just "cool" content. As much as we would all like to have a copy of that photo showing Paul Fields shoving Bill Gates off a cliff, if it does not print well it would not make the book. > > However, there is a reliable test everyone can do to weed out the unsuitable pictures before they get submitted, meaning that whoever is selecting the photos for a book, would not be as swamped. This is a simple test that many printers use to determine photo quality for printed material. Take the photo, run it through a scanner, one that you can set the resolution and DPI values to at least 600 DPI. And you can play with these values somewhat. High quality scanners often allow you to dither with the photo. Now, don't look at the image on your computer screen, print it out and see what you get. Even a cheap ink jet printer (or better) will give you an idea of what the results will be. > > The actual packaging of the book is nothing. I or someone else could do that for nothing. There have been several books packaged using Scribus, an > up-stream open source package that was not part of F10, but easily added. > > So, having said all that, please understand that I am not claiming to be the "be all and end all" of publishing or book packaging. In fact, I am probably somewhat behind the times and if anybody has a better idea or way, lets hear it. But I know enough to know that creating a quality book product depends on the quality of the material that makes up the book and not just the publishing or printing aspect. > > I have not even mentioned publishers, or printers. Today they are really just middlemen; publishers are quickly becoming book marketers and not book creators. They are still necessary, but are slowly becoming obsolete as the industry reels from innovation. > > So, perhaps we could do this as a start. Maybe we could get a couple hundred photos, from all over the planet and the Fedora community, and pass them around a committee. Everyone chooses the ones they like and we toss the rest. Then we could put the selected ones on-line and people could vote or something. For a 110 page book, with print quality photographs on the base pages and text on the back pages, we would need probably 50 or 60 good photographs. Double that with photos on the back pages. > > So, what do say you? Anyone want to take a shot at this? > > -- w Douglas Berry -- > slasherzee at fedoraproject.org > > > > > > > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > From slasherzee at yahoo.com Thu Dec 18 19:14:47 2008 From: slasherzee at yahoo.com (Doug Berry) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 11:14:47 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Ambassadors] Re: About Fedora coffee table book.... Message-ID: <962267.87515.qm@web63507.mail.re1.yahoo.com> >Nicu Buculei wrote: >Why do you make the assumption that we don't know to use GIMP? And we are >talking here about imported photos, not about newly created images. The GIMP or any other imaging program is just a means to an end - it is a way of taking lesser quality images and enhancing them. You can bet that every photograph published in a book anywhere was gone over and enhanced at some point, either by the original photographer or some where down the line. >Yes, we don't have the perfect conditions, but knowing the goal is print >we can work a bit more on the photos. Exactly. The point may have gotten lost somewhere, but ultimately, it should be the picture taker who test prints and enhances their own photos before they submit them. >Do you think we use our mobile phones to take photos? Most of the cameras >I saw used at the last FUDCon were DSLRs. Isn't this enough? Maybe, maybe not. Most digital cameras are set to take lower resolution photos, simply so you can fit more pictures onto the storage disc. Taking more pictures is the assumed goal. For example, a digital photo shot at 150 dpi may come in at 100K. If you beefed it up to say 600 or1000 dpi it might top out at 100 megs. Most people set there camera resolutions as low as possible to get more pictures. And digital cameras are still relatively expensive and not everybody in the Fedora World Community may have them. Many dinosaurs like me still use film. >I don't remember seeing something about turning a profit. I think someone said something about donating any proceeds to charity, or something like that. >We have over 600 photos made at the Brno FUDCon and a lot more of them >were left out: http://www.flickr.com/groups/fudconbrno/pool/ (and we have >not planned for a book) I'm sure we could probably come up with thousands of photos, worldwide. And if they are all high-res digital quality then that would make to job so much easier. But it is probably best to assume that most will not make the cut for one reason or another. >How I can run trough a scanner my photos, they are already in a digital >format... Are submissions for the book only open to persons who have digital cameras? I would think that would rule out a lot of people from participating, right there. >Scribus *is* part of Fedora, however, not part of the default install. >I for one would be interested in reading a bit about how Scribus can be >used to create such a book with it. Scribus is great, I have used it for so much and it keeps getting better and better. On the Scribus website, www.scribus.net, they list several books that were developed using Scribus. One new one is a Chinese language text book on the morphology of the leaf-beetle. >How about using something like lulu.com as a publisher? For example >http://www.lulu.com/en/products/photo_books/?cid=en_product_portal Lulu is okay, but they are pricey. Print-On-Demand is great for authors. It pays the highest royalties in the business. And the process, where no books are printed unless there is a paid order, is good too. As compared to large print runs for a fixed price. But if the books do not sale you have a garage full of books. But what POD publishers do not do, or for which they charge a fortune, is all the little things that add quality to a book. Like: spell-checking, grammar-checking, fact-checking, cover art (many force you to use gaudy one-size-fits-all cover templates), and layout. Layout is the most important part of the process, and is something that authors should do themselves: authors or their Book Packagers. So, as far as a publisher goes, POD is a viable option, but perhaps something like Cafe Press would be a better choice. Although I have never used them, as I understand and this may have changed, if we laid out and created the embedded PDF files containing the book, burn them onto a CD or DVD, send them to Cafe Press, for a nominal fee ($200.00, I've heard, but it may be more for a coffee table book) they assign an ISBN, create the bar-code and send the book to Lightning Source, their printer fulfiller. Or we could bypass a publisher altogether and publish it ourselves. Fedora Publishing Project, and how you might ask would we accomplish that. Well, Red Hat must already be a digital or even a print publisher, perhaps we could spin-off a print franchise or something. Red Hat must also have some sort of relationship with a quality printer, for labels, brochures, advertising, etc. RED Hat may already have everything we would need. Such as ISBN numbers (block of ten around $300.00), since published software requires ISBN type control numbers, bar-codes, and the like. Packaging a DVD is not much different then packaging a book. We already have the necessary software to layout and create all the elements of the book. Using Scribus, OO, Abiword, and the GIMP, we could create every part of the book ourselves. In fact, I think we already have everything we would need to make the book; it is more like assembling it then it is creating it from scratch. Or we could take Fedora Publishing to Lightning Source. They are a division of Ingrams and they do not charge their publishers a fortune. They make their money printing and selling books. They charge a reasonable set-up fee, and a small per book printing charge. Then they take the order, print the book, and mail it to the customer . Publisher does none of that. As an example of this, Scribus just had published their latest manual in book form. I am assuming they did all the layout and the book is coming out almost as we speak. Is different then out book, a 450 page tome, that costs 26 pounds. So this is just an example to show it can be done. -- w Douglas Berry -- slasherzee at fedoraproject.org From ianweller at gmail.com Thu Dec 18 20:21:32 2008 From: ianweller at gmail.com (Ian Weller) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 14:21:32 -0600 Subject: [Ambassadors] Re: About Fedora coffee table book.... In-Reply-To: <962267.87515.qm@web63507.mail.re1.yahoo.com> References: <962267.87515.qm@web63507.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20081218202132.GA5464@gmail.com> On Thu, Dec 18, 2008 at 11:14:47AM -0800, Doug Berry wrote: > The GIMP or any other imaging program is just a means to an end - it is a way of taking lesser quality images and enhancing them. You can bet that every photograph published in a book anywhere was gone over and enhanced at some point, either by the original photographer or some where down the line. > I guess you fail to realize that Nicu and I are both on the art team, and we have Mo helping us out with this. We all know how to use the GIMP pretty fluently. > >Do you think we use our mobile phones to take photos? Most of the cameras >I saw used at the last FUDCon were DSLRs. Isn't this enough? > > Maybe, maybe not. Most digital cameras are set to take lower resolution photos, simply so you can fit more pictures onto the storage disc. Taking more pictures is the assumed goal. For example, a digital photo shot at 150 dpi may come in at 100K. If you beefed it up to say 600 or1000 dpi it might top out at 100 megs. Most people set there camera resolutions as low as possible to get more pictures. > > And digital cameras are still relatively expensive and not everybody in the Fedora World Community may have them. Many dinosaurs like me still use film. > Mo has a DSLR, she'll be at FUDCon Boston. > >I don't remember seeing something about turning a profit. > > I think someone said something about donating any proceeds to charity, or something like that. > I did mention possibly donating to OLPC or something *if* we turned up a profit, which would be totally unnecessary. > Lulu is okay, but they are pricey. Print-On-Demand is great for authors. It pays the highest royalties in the business. And the process, where no books are printed unless there is a paid order, is good too. As compared to large print runs for a fixed price. But if the books do not sale you have a garage full of books. > > But what POD publishers do not do, or for which they charge a fortune, is all the little things that add quality to a book. Like: spell-checking, grammar-checking, fact-checking, cover art (many force you to use gaudy one-size-fits-all cover templates), and layout. Layout is the most important part of the process, and is something that authors should do themselves: authors or their Book Packagers. > The book sources will be posted to fedora-art-list, fedora-marketing-list, and plenty of other lists for people to check over. I will diligently be checking every page's grammer and speeling, and I'm sure others will be too. > So, as far as a publisher goes, POD is a viable option, but perhaps something like Cafe Press would be a better choice. Although I have never used them, as I understand and this may have changed, if we laid out and created the embedded PDF files containing the book, burn them onto a CD or DVD, send them to Cafe Press, for a nominal fee ($200.00, I've heard, but it may be more for a coffee table book) they assign an ISBN, create the bar-code and send the book to Lightning Source, their printer fulfiller. > > Or we could bypass a publisher altogether and publish it ourselves. Fedora Publishing Project, and how you might ask would we accomplish that. Well, Red Hat must already be a digital or even a print publisher, perhaps we could spin-off a print franchise or something. Red Hat must also have some sort of relationship with a quality printer, for labels, brochures, advertising, etc. RED Hat may already have everything we would need. Such as ISBN numbers (block of ten around $300.00), since published software requires ISBN type control numbers, bar-codes, and the like. Packaging a DVD is not much different then packaging a book. > This seems like a very viable option, thanks for brining that up. > We already have the necessary software to layout and create all the elements of the book. Using Scribus, OO, Abiword, and the GIMP, we could create every part of the book ourselves. In fact, I think we already have everything we would need to make the book; it is more like assembling it then it is creating it from scratch. > Yeah, I realize that :) > Or we could take Fedora Publishing to Lightning Source. They are a division of Ingrams and they do not charge their publishers a fortune. They make their money printing and selling books. They charge a reasonable set-up fee, and a small per book printing charge. Then they take the order, print the book, and mail it to the customer . Publisher does none of that. > Ooh, nice. > As an example of this, Scribus just had published their latest manual in book form. I am assuming they did all the layout and the book is coming out almost as we speak. Is different then out book, a 450 page tome, that costs 26 pounds. So this is just an example to show it can be done. > Douglas, are you willing to help us with the publishing process? If so, pipe in on fedora-marketing-list, or start making necessary edits to the page on the wiki[1]. I'm not worried at all about having high-enough quality photos or the inability to edit the pages together (I'm already starting to work on mockups, I'll be sending those out soonish) -- what I am worried about is getting this done in a timely matter with the least cost to us and those who want to buy the book. I'm glad you have some experience in this business... I have a lot of experience with POD for shirts, but not books. Maybe we can talk on IRC sometime, ping me in #fedora-marketing (ianweller). Please, I would like to keep this all on fedora-marketing-list. [1]: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Picture_book -- Ian Weller http://ianweller.org GnuPG fingerprint: E51E 0517 7A92 70A2 4226 B050 87ED 7C97 EFA8 4A36 "Technology is a word that describes something that doesn't work yet." ~ Douglas Adams -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 197 bytes Desc: not available URL: From foss.mailinglists at gmail.com Sat Dec 20 05:19:08 2008 From: foss.mailinglists at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?B?IlNhbmthcnNoYW4gKOCmuOCmmeCnjeCmleCmsOCnjeCmt+Cmoyki?=) Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 10:49:08 +0530 Subject: [Ambassadors] F10 release events -- reimbursement $$$ In-Reply-To: <7cb778c60812180852u4df96338xcef3c86262b50e24@mail.gmail.com> References: <7cb778c60812180852u4df96338xcef3c86262b50e24@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <494C804C.4060000@gmail.com> Rishikesh Sharma wrote: > I am on APAC region and can i sent my receipts for reimbursement to you > directly? I have concluded my release party on 7 December. I guess in your case it would be to me :) ~s -- http://www.gutenberg.net - Fine literature digitally re-published http://www.plos.org - Public Library of Science http://www.creativecommons.org - Flexible copyright for creative work From fugolini at fedoraproject.org Fri Dec 19 20:33:43 2008 From: fugolini at fedoraproject.org (Francesco Ugolini) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 21:33:43 +0100 Subject: [Ambassadors] FAmSCo Election - Last Call (is going to end 2008-12-20 23:59:59) Message-ID: If you haven't vote yet, you have only 1 day to do this visiting https://admin.fedoraproject.org/voting/about/famscof11 . Regards Francesco Ugolini From mr.gopal.das at gmail.com Sat Dec 20 01:25:22 2008 From: mr.gopal.das at gmail.com (gopal das) Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 06:55:22 +0530 Subject: [Ambassadors] Fedora booth at IOTA convention at Science City, Kolkata. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6f631c430812191725r4ea9a2a4q41e944b88689edf5@mail.gmail.com> On Wed, Dec 17, 2008 at 8:21 PM, susmit shannigrahi < thinklinux.ssh at gmail.com> wrote: > IOTA[1], a society under the Dept of IT, Govt. Of West Bengal is > organising a convention on "Freedom in Computer Technology".[2] > There will be eminent speakers[3] here. Also there will be people from > corporate and universities. > Participation if free. > > I have managed to secure a booth for Fedora. > Also it gives the ambassadors from Eastern India the opportunity to > meet up. (Unoffcially though). > > So we need volunteers to attend the booth. Also I shall request all > the Ambassadors from Kolkata and nearby to please come up so that we > can meet. > > Please register here http://iotawb.org/registration.html > > I have talked with them and they are open to extend the registration > period, in case anyone left out. > > The date of convention is 26/27/28 Dec. 2008. > > For any other questions please let me know. > > [1] http://iotawb.org/ > [2] http://iotawb.org/fctprog.html > [3]http://iotawb.org/program.html > > -- > Regards, > Susmit. > > ============================================= > ssh > 0x86DD170A > http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/user:susmit > ============================================= > > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > Hi Susmit Its a great news for the fedora enthusiasts from eastern India. I can attend the booth on 26th and 28th. I am agreed with Mani on making this event a official one, if its possible. A person has agreed to donate some DVDs to us for this purpose. If someone can manage to bring some fedora/redhat books for display it will be excellent. I think, We need some fedora banner at our booth as well. Cheers Gopal -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From foss.mailinglists at gmail.com Sat Dec 20 03:56:57 2008 From: foss.mailinglists at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?B?IlNhbmthcnNoYW4gKOCmuOCmmeCnjeCmleCmsOCnjeCmt+Cmoyki?=) Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 09:26:57 +0530 Subject: [Ambassadors] Fedora booth at IOTA convention at Science City, Kolkata. In-Reply-To: <6f631c430812191725r4ea9a2a4q41e944b88689edf5@mail.gmail.com> References: <6f631c430812191725r4ea9a2a4q41e944b88689edf5@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <494C6D09.8050103@gmail.com> gopal das wrote: [snipping off the original mail from Susmit] > Its a great news for the fedora enthusiasts from eastern India. I can > attend the booth on 26th and 28th. Lovely. Thanks for joining in and hope to see you there. > I am agreed with Mani on making this event a official one, if its possible. I am a bit confused over here. What's the 'official' part in this ? And, why are we so interested in it ? The way I look at it, there is a Fedora Booth and that provides us with a place to do a large number of stuff including, meet up and share some ideas about what can be done (based on what we have been doing) > A person has agreed to donate some DVDs to us for this purpose. Good news. Can you take it offline with Susmit - since he is involved in producing some DVDs ? > If someone can manage to bring some fedora/redhat books for display it > will be excellent. There aren't any Fedora books to put out on display - but this is something that can be thought about for coming events. I guess, printing out the Installation Guide would be a nice idea. > I think, We need some fedora banner at our booth as well. If I recall correctly, Susmit has a banner, if not, we can consider getting a generic one done (so as to encourage re-use at other events) -- http://www.gutenberg.net - Fine literature digitally re-published http://www.plos.org - Public Library of Science http://www.creativecommons.org - Flexible copyright for creative work From thinklinux.ssh at gmail.com Sat Dec 20 04:04:52 2008 From: thinklinux.ssh at gmail.com (susmit shannigrahi) Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 09:34:52 +0530 Subject: [Ambassadors] Fedora booth at IOTA convention at Science City, Kolkata. In-Reply-To: <494C6D09.8050103@gmail.com> References: <6f631c430812191725r4ea9a2a4q41e944b88689edf5@mail.gmail.com> <494C6D09.8050103@gmail.com> Message-ID: >> A person has agreed to donate some DVDs to us for this purpose. > > Good news. Can you take it offline with Susmit - since he is involved in > producing some DVDs ? Sure... >> If someone can manage to bring some fedora/redhat books for display it >> will be excellent. > > There aren't any Fedora books to put out on display - but this is > something that can be thought about for coming events. I guess, printing > out the Installation Guide would be a nice idea. But that changes with every release...so we have to print everytime :) We can print other books like (for example) http://freeknowledge.eu/projects/SELF/Coursebook_Intro_Free_Software and other cc licensed books. I guess you will be able to list a considerable number here. :) >> I think, We need some fedora banner at our booth as well. > > If I recall correctly, Susmit has a banner, if not, we can consider > getting a generic one done (so as to encourage re-use at other events) No, I have the design, not the banner. But I shall print a few for future use. -- Regards, Susmit. ============================================= ssh 0x86DD170A http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/user:susmit ============================================= From foss.mailinglists at gmail.com Sat Dec 20 04:15:45 2008 From: foss.mailinglists at gmail.com (Sankarshan Mukhopadhyay) Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 09:45:45 +0530 Subject: [Ambassadors] Fedora booth at IOTA convention at Science City, Kolkata. In-Reply-To: References: <6f631c430812191725r4ea9a2a4q41e944b88689edf5@mail.gmail.com> <494C6D09.8050103@gmail.com> Message-ID: <35586fc00812192015r5dbad5b7jb2dedb72d22ce51b@mail.gmail.com> On Sat, Dec 20, 2008 at 9:34 AM, susmit shannigrahi wrote: > But that changes with every release...so we have to print everytime :) > We can print other books like (for example) > http://freeknowledge.eu/projects/SELF/Coursebook_Intro_Free_Software > and other cc licensed books. > I guess you will be able to list a considerable number here. :) Yes, I would be (and, so would be others). Let's make this a point of discussion during the next Indian Ambassadors meeting as well. > No, I have the design, not the banner. But I shall print a few for future use. Awesome. Thank you. -- http://www.gutenberg.net - Fine literature digitally re-published http://www.plos.org - Public Library of Science http://www.creativecommons.org - Flexible copyright for creative work From thinklinux.ssh at gmail.com Sat Dec 20 08:18:52 2008 From: thinklinux.ssh at gmail.com (susmit shannigrahi) Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 13:48:52 +0530 Subject: [Ambassadors] Fedora booth at IOTA convention at Science City, Kolkata. In-Reply-To: <35586fc00812192015r5dbad5b7jb2dedb72d22ce51b@mail.gmail.com> References: <6f631c430812191725r4ea9a2a4q41e944b88689edf5@mail.gmail.com> <494C6D09.8050103@gmail.com> <35586fc00812192015r5dbad5b7jb2dedb72d22ce51b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: If you are attending the event..please let me know your t-shirt size. -- Regards, Susmit. ============================================= ssh 0x86DD170A http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/user:susmit ============================================= From ppapadeas at gmail.com Sat Dec 20 09:33:07 2008 From: ppapadeas at gmail.com (Papadeas Pierros) Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 11:33:07 +0200 Subject: [Ambassadors] Promotional Material on FOSDEM 2009 Message-ID: <1229765587.3176.31.camel@morpheus.mygroup> Hi folks! In order to make a robust appearance at the upcoming FOSDEM it would be great if we could have some flyers [1] to give away combined with stickers and of-course the live CDs. F10 live CDs will be brought by Max so we are OK on that. I will bring ~1500 Stickers of Fedora Logo (9cm square). For the flyers, I designed [2] an updated version independent (for use even with F11 in the future) A4 3-folded flyer. I would love some feedback on that. When we are ready with the design i contacted a printing-company which offers to print as 1000 A4 and ~1000 A5 (illustration paper ready folded) for about 270 Euro (~370 $) which is pretty good price for Greek standards. Of course we need to design an A5 flyer too, but that's something easy. For those attending FOSDEM it would be nice if you could get a quote from a local printing-company of yours in order to compare prices. In my opinion the quantity (1000+1000) is right for FOSDEM and if there is a surplus it could be used in other EMEA events. [1] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing/Flyer [2] http://ppapadeas.fedorapeople.org/files/fedora-flyer-ind-en.odt Waiting for your ideas, ~? -------------------------- Pierros Papadeas PGP key: 0x6130DBF8 liknus @ GRnet , Freenode -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 197 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From dezone24 at gmail.com Sat Dec 20 15:04:04 2008 From: dezone24 at gmail.com (Diego Escobar) Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 10:04:04 -0500 Subject: [Ambassadors] Fedora 10 How To Message-ID: Hi all: Now, it's avaible a little "how to" for Fedora 10 named "Aprende Fedora 10" (Learning Fedora 10). This guide is designed for new Linux and Fedora user's and its part of spread Fedora on Latam and spanish speakers people (its in Spanish ;) ). Installation, productivity, instant messaging until customization are convered on easy way. 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Installation, productivity, instant messaging until > customization are convered on easy way. > Diego: Good work. I will distribute copies of this guide as much as I can to new users. Thanks, you are making my life a lot more easier. (Now in Spanish) Buen trabajo. Yo voy a distribuir copia de esta guia tanto como pueda a los nuevos usuarios. Gracias, estas haciendo mi vida m?s sencilla. -- Neville https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Yn1v Linux User # 473217 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Check: http://www.clickmanagua.com - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - From hagr182 at gmail.com Sat Dec 20 16:19:06 2008 From: hagr182 at gmail.com (Hector Alfonso Gonzalez Ramirez) Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 17:19:06 +0100 Subject: [Ambassadors] FAmSCo Election - Ends tonight Message-ID: <1d24cdf80812200819m3300271q48240479b3f01909@mail.gmail.com> People: The FAmSCo election end today SATURDAY 20TH at 23:59, we need your votes to ensure the right people get into the comitee, and by the right people I mean the ones that adapt better to the project?s ideals, as everyone seems to be good to me, but not everyone can win. So please do vote, to do so go to: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/voting/about/famscof11 . 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Thanks, you are making my life a lot more easier. > > (Now in Spanish) Buen trabajo. Yo voy a distribuir copia de esta guia > tanto como pueda a los nuevos usuarios. Gracias, estas haciendo mi > vida m?s sencilla. > > > -- > Neville > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Yn1v > Linux User # 473217 > > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > Check: http://www.clickmanagua.com > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > -- Jorge Lara Cravero Adm. de Linux Fedora Ambassador for Chile. jlarac at gmail.com http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Jlara http://geekslinuxchile.blogspot.com/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Regards Francesco Ugolini From charlymanja at yahoo.com.mx Sat Dec 20 21:18:52 2008 From: charlymanja at yahoo.com.mx (Charly Manjarrez) Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 15:18:52 -0600 Subject: [Ambassadors] Fedora 10 How To In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <494D613C.7060300@yahoo.com.mx> Greate stuff, I thinking to use it on FLISOL 2009, thanks a lot. Diego Escobar wrote: > > Hi all: > > Now, it's avaible a little "how to" for Fedora 10 named "Aprende > Fedora 10" (Learning Fedora 10). This guide is designed for new Linux > and Fedora user's and its part of spread Fedora on Latam and spanish > speakers people (its in Spanish ;) ). Installation, productivity, > instant messaging until customization are convered on easy way. > > If you consider useful you can download it: > http://suservidorwp.googlepages.com/AprendeFedora10.pdf > > Official Announce: > http://proyectofedora.org/colombia/manuales/%C2%A1aprende-fedora-10/ > > > Suggestions are welcome. > > Regards! > > -- > Diego Escobar > Fedora Ambassador for Colombia > Fedora Release 9 (Sulphur): Linux Kernel 2.6.25 + Gnome 2.22 > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > -- Carlos Manjarrez charlymanja at fedoraproject.org ID: A86964ED Finger Print: F7F5 EB32 D657 8F0C 995C 84CD 0D52 BF8C A869 64ED http://compartelo.wordpress.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From david at gnsa.us Sun Dec 21 05:15:35 2008 From: david at gnsa.us (David Nalley) Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2008 00:15:35 -0500 Subject: [Ambassadors] help, weird bug In-Reply-To: <1d24cdf80812202113t48499831m71afecda595aa562@mail.gmail.com> References: <1d24cdf80812202113t48499831m71afecda595aa562@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: f-a-l really isn't the place to seek help, and certainly not the first place. Currently on the top of every wiki page is a link to this which should help you: https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-announce-list/2008-December/msg00012.html 2008/12/21 Hector Alfonso Gonzalez Ramirez : > Guys I seriously need your help, my brother was messing around with my f10 > laptop and now everytime i search for packages or try to install anything it > gives me this error, please we need your help: > > > Error Type: > Error Value: 'NoneType' object is unsubscriptable > File : /usr/share/PackageKit/helpers/yum/yumBackend.py, line 2202, in > > main() > File : /usr/share/PackageKit/helpers/yum/yumBackend.py, line 2199, in main > backend.dispatcher(sys.argv[1:]) > File : /usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/packagekit/backend.py, line 610, > in dispatcher > self.dispatch_command(args[0], args[1:]) > File : /usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/packagekit/backend.py, line 561, > in dispatch_command > self.search_group(options, searchterms) > File : /usr/share/PackageKit/helpers/yum/yumBackend.py, line 479, in > search_group > pkgfilter.add_available(self._get_available_from_names(all_packages)) > File : /usr/share/PackageKit/helpers/yum/yumBackend.py, line 363, in > _get_available_from_names > pkgs = self.yumbase.pkgSack.searchNames(names=name_list) > File : /usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/yum/__init__.py, line 592, in > > pkgSack = property(fget=lambda self: self._getSacks(), > File : /usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/yum/__init__.py, line 435, in > _getSacks > self.repos.populateSack(which=repos) > File : /usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/yum/repos.py, line 223, in > populateSack > self.doSetup() > File : /usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/yum/repos.py, line 71, in doSetup > self.ayum.plugins.run('postreposetup') > File : /usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/yum/plugins.py, line 176, in run > func(conduitcls(self, self.base, conf, **kwargs)) > File : /usr/lib/yum-plugins/rpm-warm-cache.py, line 31, in > postreposetup_hook > if commands[0] in ('upgrade', 'install', 'remove'): > > > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > > From hagr182 at gmail.com Sun Dec 21 05:33:35 2008 From: hagr182 at gmail.com (Hector Alfonso Gonzalez Ramirez) Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 23:33:35 -0600 Subject: [Ambassadors] help, weird bug In-Reply-To: References: <1d24cdf80812202113t48499831m71afecda595aa562@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1d24cdf80812202133i1c88321cx1e31b73e6bb98662@mail.gmail.com> THANK YOU SO MUCH, I know this isnt the place to ask for such things, but as ambassadors we must help each other, as a matter of fact you solved my problem, which was causing me to work on my sister's vista ultimate laptop, should i be able to help you dont hessistate to ask. Regards Hector, the desperate ambassador (lol) On Sat, Dec 20, 2008 at 11:15 PM, David Nalley wrote: > f-a-l really isn't the place to seek help, and certainly not the first > place. > > Currently on the top of every wiki page is a link to this which should help > you: > > > https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-announce-list/2008-December/msg00012.html > > 2008/12/21 Hector Alfonso Gonzalez Ramirez : > > Guys I seriously need your help, my brother was messing around with my > f10 > > laptop and now everytime i search for packages or try to install anything > it > > gives me this error, please we need your help: > > > > > > Error Type: > > Error Value: 'NoneType' object is unsubscriptable > > File : /usr/share/PackageKit/helpers/yum/yumBackend.py, line 2202, in > > > > main() > > File : /usr/share/PackageKit/helpers/yum/yumBackend.py, line 2199, in > main > > backend.dispatcher(sys.argv[1:]) > > File : /usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/packagekit/backend.py, line > 610, > > in dispatcher > > self.dispatch_command(args[0], args[1:]) > > File : /usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/packagekit/backend.py, line > 561, > > in dispatch_command > > self.search_group(options, searchterms) > > File : /usr/share/PackageKit/helpers/yum/yumBackend.py, line 479, in > > search_group > > pkgfilter.add_available(self._get_available_from_names(all_packages)) > > File : /usr/share/PackageKit/helpers/yum/yumBackend.py, line 363, in > > _get_available_from_names > > pkgs = self.yumbase.pkgSack.searchNames(names=name_list) > > File : /usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/yum/__init__.py, line 592, in > > > > pkgSack = property(fget=lambda self: self._getSacks(), > > File : /usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/yum/__init__.py, line 435, in > > _getSacks > > self.repos.populateSack(which=repos) > > File : /usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/yum/repos.py, line 223, in > > populateSack > > self.doSetup() > > File : /usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/yum/repos.py, line 71, in > doSetup > > self.ayum.plugins.run('postreposetup') > > File : /usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/yum/plugins.py, line 176, in > run > > func(conduitcls(self, self.base, conf, **kwargs)) > > File : /usr/lib/yum-plugins/rpm-warm-cache.py, line 31, in > > postreposetup_hook > > if commands[0] in ('upgrade', 'install', 'remove'): > > > > > > -- > > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > > > > > > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From princedehunza at gmail.com Sun Dec 21 10:50:59 2008 From: princedehunza at gmail.com (Salman Ullah Baig) Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2008 15:50:59 +0500 Subject: [Ambassadors] help, weird bug In-Reply-To: <1d24cdf80812202113t48499831m71afecda595aa562@mail.gmail.com> References: <1d24cdf80812202113t48499831m71afecda595aa562@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1229856659.2633.2.camel@wazirkutz> Hi, It very simple to make your YUM work again... Download SMART PACKAGE MANAGER FROM ANY REPO, it of about 800KBs. install through rpm -i package.. then issue the following command smart remove yum smart install yum and I hope you are done!! Cheers!! Baig On Sat, 2008-12-20 at 23:13 -0600, Hector Alfonso Gonzalez Ramirez wrote: > Guys I seriously need your help, my brother was messing around with my > f10 laptop and now everytime i search for packages or try to install > anything it gives me this error, please we need your help: > > > Error Type: > Error Value: 'NoneType' object is unsubscriptable > File : /usr/share/PackageKit/helpers/yum/yumBackend.py, line 2202, > in > main() > File : /usr/share/PackageKit/helpers/yum/yumBackend.py, line 2199, > in main > backend.dispatcher(sys.argv[1:]) > File : /usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/packagekit/backend.py, line > 610, in dispatcher > self.dispatch_command(args[0], args[1:]) > File : /usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/packagekit/backend.py, line > 561, in dispatch_command > self.search_group(options, searchterms) > File : /usr/share/PackageKit/helpers/yum/yumBackend.py, line 479, in > search_group > > pkgfilter.add_available(self._get_available_from_names(all_packages)) > File : /usr/share/PackageKit/helpers/yum/yumBackend.py, line 363, in > _get_available_from_names > pkgs = self.yumbase.pkgSack.searchNames(names=name_list) > File : /usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/yum/__init__.py, line 592, > in > pkgSack = property(fget=lambda self: self._getSacks(), > File : /usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/yum/__init__.py, line 435, > in _getSacks > self.repos.populateSack(which=repos) > File : /usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/yum/repos.py, line 223, in > populateSack > self.doSetup() > File : /usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/yum/repos.py, line 71, in > doSetup > self.ayum.plugins.run('postreposetup') > File : /usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/yum/plugins.py, line 176, in > run > func(conduitcls(self, self.base, conf, **kwargs)) > File : /usr/lib/yum-plugins/rpm-warm-cache.py, line 31, in > postreposetup_hook > if commands[0] in ('upgrade', 'install', 'remove'): > > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list From thomas.canniot at mrtomlinux.org Sun Dec 21 09:03:02 2008 From: thomas.canniot at mrtomlinux.org (Thomas Canniot) Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2008 10:03:02 +0100 Subject: [Ambassadors] REMINDER French Meeting today 1930UTC #fedora-meeting Message-ID: <20081221100302.7fdfc8ea@mrtomlinux.org> This mail is a reminder for today?s meeting for French ambassadors and _every_ interested people. 2008-12-21 / 19:30 UTC IRC: freenode #fedora-meeting Ce mail est un rappel pour la r?union des ambassadeurs francophones, qui aura lieu ce dimanche (21 d?c.) ? 20h30 heure de Paris sur IRC (freenode) #fedora-meeting . L'ordre du jour est disponible depuis cette page : http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/FrenchTeam/Reunions N'h?sitez pas ? le modifier pour rajouter des sujets qui vous semblent int?ressants. Thomas Canniot -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 197 bytes Desc: not available URL: From bbbush.yuan at gmail.com Sun Dec 21 12:45:03 2008 From: bbbush.yuan at gmail.com (Yuan Yijun) Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2008 20:45:03 +0800 Subject: [Ambassadors] APAC ambassadors meeting . In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <76e72f800812210445q2518ffccj4536737f84414a9c@mail.gmail.com> 2008/12/12 susmit shannigrahi : > Hi, > > As the election process is on, I am reluctant to have the meeting > tomorrow. (Second Sunday as fixed in the previous meeting) > How about the third sunday of this month? That is 21th Dec 3UTC. > /me took a whole day examination today, where is the meeting log please? -- bbbush ^_^ From pankdh6006 at gmail.com Sun Dec 21 15:19:49 2008 From: pankdh6006 at gmail.com (dj-sh) Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2008 20:49:49 +0530 Subject: [Ambassadors] Fedora 10 How To In-Reply-To: <494D613C.7060300@yahoo.com.mx> References: <494D613C.7060300@yahoo.com.mx> Message-ID: <46c1230812210719l3ee12207ha5bd13b91c23259b@mail.gmail.com> Hi guys Forgot to tell about my Fedora 10 Guides have a look http://djsh.net/fedora-10-cambridge/ Please suggest any changes. Thanks Dhananjay Singh http://djsh.net 2008/12/21 Charly Manjarrez > Greate stuff, I thinking to use it on FLISOL 2009, thanks a lot. > > Diego Escobar wrote: > > > Hi all: > > Now, it's avaible a little "how to" for Fedora 10 named "Aprende Fedora 10" > (Learning Fedora 10). This guide is designed for new Linux and Fedora user's > and its part of spread Fedora on Latam and spanish speakers people (its in > Spanish ;) ). Installation, productivity, instant messaging until > customization are convered on easy way. > > If you consider useful you can download it: > http://suservidorwp.googlepages.com/AprendeFedora10.pdf > > Official Announce: > http://proyectofedora.org/colombia/manuales/%C2%A1aprende-fedora-10/ > > Suggestions are welcome. > > Regards! > > -- > Diego Escobar > Fedora Ambassador for Colombia > Fedora Release 9 (Sulphur): Linux Kernel 2.6.25 + Gnome 2.22 > > ------------------------------ > > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing listFedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.comhttps://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > > > > -- > Carlos Manjarrez > charlymanja at fedoraproject.org > ID: A86964ED > Finger Print: F7F5 EB32 D657 8F0C 995C 84CD 0D52 BF8C A869 64EDhttp://compartelo.wordpress.com > > > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fugolini at fedoraproject.org Sun Dec 21 15:21:45 2008 From: fugolini at fedoraproject.org (Francesco Ugolini) Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2008 16:21:45 +0100 Subject: [Ambassadors] FAMSCo 2008 Election Result In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: It's my pleasure to announce the election result for FAmSCo. Here the communication made by Nigel Jones, the Elections Administrator, with the election result: ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Election Results for FAmSCo - Fedora 11 Cycle Voting Period: 07 December 2008 00:00:00 UTC to 20 December 23:59:59 UTC Nominations: * David Nalley (ke4qqq) * Francesco Ugolini (fugolini) * Hector Gonzalez (hagr182) * Joerg Simon (kital) * Larry Cafiero (lcafiero) * Max Spevack (spevack) * Rodrigo Padula (RodrigoPadula) * Sandro Mathys (red_alert) * Susmit Shannigrahi (susmit) * Thomas Canniot (MrTom) Outcomes: As defined in the election text, the seven (7) candidate(s) with the greatest number of votes will be elected for full 2 release term. Information: At close of voting there were: 126 valid ballots Using the Fedora Range Voting method, each candidate could attain a maximum of 1260 votes (10*126). Results: 1. Max Spevack (spevack) 917 2. Joerg Simon (kital) 695 3. Francesco Ugolini (fugolini) 684 4. Thomas Canniot (MrTom) 561 5. Rodrigo Padula (RodrigoPadula) 548 6. David Nalley (ke4qqq) 487 7. Susmit Shannigrahi (susmit) 442 ***** 8. Sandro Mathys (red_alert) 356 9. Larry Cafiero (lcafiero) 346 10. Hector Gonzalez (hagr182) 252 As such, Max Spevack, Joerg Simon, Francesco Ugolini, Thomas Canniot, Rodrigo Padula, David Nalley and Susmit Shannigrahi are elected to FAmSCo for a full 2 relase term. Signed, Nigel Jones Elections Administrator ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Congratulation to all the winners and big thanks to all the partecipants of this amazing race: your name, along with your ideas, will help next FAmSCo and Ambassadors Project having a better future! Many thanks to Nigel for his precious work and to whoever helped organizing this election. Best regards on behalf of former FAmSCo Francesco Ugolini From lucas at cefetce.br Sun Dec 21 15:24:23 2008 From: lucas at cefetce.br (Lucas - Linux Sys. Admin (CEFETCE/UAB)) Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2008 12:24:23 -0300 Subject: [Ambassadors] FAMSCo 2008 Election Result In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Awsome ! We got a brazilian there again ! :) On 12/21/08, Francesco Ugolini wrote: > It's my pleasure to announce the election result for FAmSCo. > > Here the communication made by Nigel Jones, the Elections > Administrator, with the election result: > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Election Results for FAmSCo - Fedora 11 Cycle > > Voting Period: 07 December 2008 00:00:00 UTC to 20 December 23:59:59 UTC > > Nominations: > > * David Nalley (ke4qqq) > * Francesco Ugolini (fugolini) > * Hector Gonzalez (hagr182) > * Joerg Simon (kital) > * Larry Cafiero (lcafiero) > * Max Spevack (spevack) > * Rodrigo Padula (RodrigoPadula) > * Sandro Mathys (red_alert) > * Susmit Shannigrahi (susmit) > * Thomas Canniot (MrTom) > > Outcomes: > > As defined in the election text, the seven (7) candidate(s) with the > greatest number of votes will be elected for full 2 release term. > > Information: > > At close of voting there were: > 126 valid ballots > > Using the Fedora Range Voting method, each candidate could attain a > maximum of 1260 votes (10*126). > > Results: > > 1. Max Spevack (spevack) 917 > 2. Joerg Simon (kital) 695 > 3. Francesco Ugolini (fugolini) 684 > 4. Thomas Canniot (MrTom) 561 > 5. Rodrigo Padula (RodrigoPadula) 548 > 6. David Nalley (ke4qqq) 487 > 7. Susmit Shannigrahi (susmit) 442 > ***** > 8. Sandro Mathys (red_alert) 356 > 9. Larry Cafiero (lcafiero) 346 > 10. Hector Gonzalez (hagr182) 252 > > As such, Max Spevack, Joerg Simon, Francesco Ugolini, Thomas Canniot, > Rodrigo Padula, David Nalley and Susmit Shannigrahi are elected to > FAmSCo for a full 2 relase term. > > Signed, > > Nigel Jones > Elections Administrator > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Congratulation to all the winners and big thanks to all the > partecipants of this amazing race: your name, along with your ideas, > will help next FAmSCo and Ambassadors Project having a better future! > > Many thanks to Nigel for his precious work and to whoever helped > organizing this election. > > Best regards > > on behalf of former FAmSCo > Francesco Ugolini > > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by MailScanner, and is > believed to be clean. > > :::: CONTRIBUA COM O MEIO AMBIENTE. N?O IMPRIMA ESTA MENSAGEM ::::: > > > -- -- Atenciosamente, Lucas do Amaral CEFET-CE - UAB-CE. Linux System Administrator Trainee Fedora Ambassador & Fedora Translator From axjslack at gmail.com Sun Dec 21 15:27:33 2008 From: axjslack at gmail.com (Alexjan Carraturo) Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2008 16:27:33 +0100 Subject: [Ambassadors] FAMSCo 2008 Election Result In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: 2008/12/21 Lucas - Linux Sys. Admin (CEFETCE/UAB) : > Awsome ! We got a brazilian there again ! :) > > > I'm happy for Francesco.... compliments!!! > On 12/21/08, Francesco Ugolini wrote: >> It's my pleasure to announce the election result for FAmSCo. >> >> Here the communication made by Nigel Jones, the Elections >> Administrator, with the election result: >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> Election Results for FAmSCo - Fedora 11 Cycle >> >> Voting Period: 07 December 2008 00:00:00 UTC to 20 December 23:59:59 UTC >> >> Nominations: >> >> * David Nalley (ke4qqq) >> * Francesco Ugolini (fugolini) >> * Hector Gonzalez (hagr182) >> * Joerg Simon (kital) >> * Larry Cafiero (lcafiero) >> * Max Spevack (spevack) >> * Rodrigo Padula (RodrigoPadula) >> * Sandro Mathys (red_alert) >> * Susmit Shannigrahi (susmit) >> * Thomas Canniot (MrTom) >> >> Outcomes: >> >> As defined in the election text, the seven (7) candidate(s) with the >> greatest number of votes will be elected for full 2 release term. >> >> Information: >> >> At close of voting there were: >> 126 valid ballots >> >> Using the Fedora Range Voting method, each candidate could attain a >> maximum of 1260 votes (10*126). >> >> Results: >> >> 1. Max Spevack (spevack) 917 >> 2. Joerg Simon (kital) 695 >> 3. Francesco Ugolini (fugolini) 684 >> 4. Thomas Canniot (MrTom) 561 >> 5. Rodrigo Padula (RodrigoPadula) 548 >> 6. David Nalley (ke4qqq) 487 >> 7. Susmit Shannigrahi (susmit) 442 >> ***** >> 8. Sandro Mathys (red_alert) 356 >> 9. Larry Cafiero (lcafiero) 346 >> 10. Hector Gonzalez (hagr182) 252 >> >> As such, Max Spevack, Joerg Simon, Francesco Ugolini, Thomas Canniot, >> Rodrigo Padula, David Nalley and Susmit Shannigrahi are elected to >> FAmSCo for a full 2 relase term. >> >> Signed, >> >> Nigel Jones >> Elections Administrator >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> Congratulation to all the winners and big thanks to all the >> partecipants of this amazing race: your name, along with your ideas, >> will help next FAmSCo and Ambassadors Project having a better future! >> >> Many thanks to Nigel for his precious work and to whoever helped >> organizing this election. >> >> Best regards >> >> on behalf of former FAmSCo >> Francesco Ugolini >> >> -- >> Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list >> Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list >> >> -- >> This message has been scanned for viruses and >> dangerous content by MailScanner, and is >> believed to be clean. >> >> :::: CONTRIBUA COM O MEIO AMBIENTE. N?O IMPRIMA ESTA MENSAGEM ::::: >> >> >> > > > -- > -- > Atenciosamente, > Lucas do Amaral > CEFET-CE - UAB-CE. > Linux System Administrator Trainee > Fedora Ambassador & Fedora Translator > > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > -- #################################### Alexjan Carraturo admin of Free Software Users Group Italia http://www.fsugitalia.org #################################### From princedehunza at gmail.com Sun Dec 21 20:38:35 2008 From: princedehunza at gmail.com (Salman Ullah Baig) Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2008 01:38:35 +0500 Subject: [Ambassadors] FAMSCo 2008 Election Result In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1229891915.3057.1.camel@wazirkutz> Congratulations to all participants. Cheers On Sun, 2008-12-21 at 16:27 +0100, Alexjan Carraturo wrote: > 2008/12/21 Lucas - Linux Sys. Admin (CEFETCE/UAB) : > > Awsome ! We got a brazilian there again ! :) > > > > > > > > I'm happy for Francesco.... compliments!!! > > > On 12/21/08, Francesco Ugolini wrote: > >> It's my pleasure to announce the election result for FAmSCo. > >> > >> Here the communication made by Nigel Jones, the Elections > >> Administrator, with the election result: > >> > >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > >> > >> Election Results for FAmSCo - Fedora 11 Cycle > >> > >> Voting Period: 07 December 2008 00:00:00 UTC to 20 December 23:59:59 UTC > >> > >> Nominations: > >> > >> * David Nalley (ke4qqq) > >> * Francesco Ugolini (fugolini) > >> * Hector Gonzalez (hagr182) > >> * Joerg Simon (kital) > >> * Larry Cafiero (lcafiero) > >> * Max Spevack (spevack) > >> * Rodrigo Padula (RodrigoPadula) > >> * Sandro Mathys (red_alert) > >> * Susmit Shannigrahi (susmit) > >> * Thomas Canniot (MrTom) > >> > >> Outcomes: > >> > >> As defined in the election text, the seven (7) candidate(s) with the > >> greatest number of votes will be elected for full 2 release term. > >> > >> Information: > >> > >> At close of voting there were: > >> 126 valid ballots > >> > >> Using the Fedora Range Voting method, each candidate could attain a > >> maximum of 1260 votes (10*126). > >> > >> Results: > >> > >> 1. Max Spevack (spevack) 917 > >> 2. Joerg Simon (kital) 695 > >> 3. Francesco Ugolini (fugolini) 684 > >> 4. Thomas Canniot (MrTom) 561 > >> 5. Rodrigo Padula (RodrigoPadula) 548 > >> 6. David Nalley (ke4qqq) 487 > >> 7. Susmit Shannigrahi (susmit) 442 > >> ***** > >> 8. Sandro Mathys (red_alert) 356 > >> 9. Larry Cafiero (lcafiero) 346 > >> 10. Hector Gonzalez (hagr182) 252 > >> > >> As such, Max Spevack, Joerg Simon, Francesco Ugolini, Thomas Canniot, > >> Rodrigo Padula, David Nalley and Susmit Shannigrahi are elected to > >> FAmSCo for a full 2 relase term. > >> > >> Signed, > >> > >> Nigel Jones > >> Elections Administrator > >> > >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > >> > >> Congratulation to all the winners and big thanks to all the > >> partecipants of this amazing race: your name, along with your ideas, > >> will help next FAmSCo and Ambassadors Project having a better future! > >> > >> Many thanks to Nigel for his precious work and to whoever helped > >> organizing this election. > >> > >> Best regards > >> > >> on behalf of former FAmSCo > >> Francesco Ugolini > >> > >> -- > >> Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > >> Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > >> > >> -- > >> This message has been scanned for viruses and > >> dangerous content by MailScanner, and is > >> believed to be clean. > >> > >> :::: CONTRIBUA COM O MEIO AMBIENTE. N?O IMPRIMA ESTA MENSAGEM ::::: > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > -- > > -- > > Atenciosamente, > > Lucas do Amaral > > CEFET-CE - UAB-CE. > > Linux System Administrator Trainee > > Fedora Ambassador & Fedora Translator > > > > -- > > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 197 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From armel.kermorvant at orange.fr Sun Dec 21 16:15:39 2008 From: armel.kermorvant at orange.fr (Armel Kermorvant) Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2008 17:15:39 +0100 Subject: [Ambassadors] FAMSCo 2008 Election Result In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <86AF1385-8655-4057-AC4C-EE8B2C60CE95@orange.fr> Hi, Congratulations !!!! Armelk Le 21 d?c. 08 ? 16:21, "Francesco Ugolini" a ?crit : > > It's my pleasure to announce the election result for FAmSCo. > > Here the communication made by Nigel Jones, the Elections > Administrator, with the election result: > > --- > --- > --- > --- > --- > --- > --- > --- > --- > --- > --- > --- > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Election Results for FAmSCo - Fedora 11 Cycle > > Voting Period: 07 December 2008 00:00:00 UTC to 20 December 23:59:59 > UTC > > Nominations: > > * David Nalley (ke4qqq) > * Francesco Ugolini (fugolini) > * Hector Gonzalez (hagr182) > * Joerg Simon (kital) > * Larry Cafiero (lcafiero) > * Max Spevack (spevack) > * Rodrigo Padula (RodrigoPadula) > * Sandro Mathys (red_alert) > * Susmit Shannigrahi (susmit) > * Thomas Canniot (MrTom) > > Outcomes: > > As defined in the election text, the seven (7) candidate(s) with the > greatest number of votes will be elected for full 2 release term. > > Information: > > At close of voting there were: > 126 valid ballots > > Using the Fedora Range Voting method, each candidate could attain a > maximum of 1260 votes (10*126). > > Results: > > 1. Max Spevack (spevack) 917 > 2. Joerg Simon (kital) 695 > 3. Francesco Ugolini (fugolini) 684 > 4. Thomas Canniot (MrTom) 561 > 5. Rodrigo Padula (RodrigoPadula) 548 > 6. David Nalley (ke4qqq) 487 > 7. Susmit Shannigrahi (susmit) 442 > ***** > 8. Sandro Mathys (red_alert) 356 > 9. Larry Cafiero (lcafiero) 346 > 10. Hector Gonzalez (hagr182) 252 > > As such, Max Spevack, Joerg Simon, Francesco Ugolini, Thomas Canniot, > Rodrigo Padula, David Nalley and Susmit Shannigrahi are elected to > FAmSCo for a full 2 relase term. > > Signed, > > Nigel Jones > Elections Administrator > > --- > --- > --- > --- > --- > --- > --- > --- > --- > --- > --- > --- > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Congratulation to all the winners and big thanks to all the > partecipants of this amazing race: your name, along with your ideas, > will help next FAmSCo and Ambassadors Project having a better future! > > Many thanks to Nigel for his precious work and to whoever helped > organizing this election. > > Best regards > > on behalf of former FAmSCo > Francesco Ugolini > > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > --- > --- > --- > --- > --- > --- > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > Orange vous informe que cet e-mail a ete controle par l'anti-virus > mail. > Aucun virus connu a ce jour par nos services n'a ete detecte. > > From thinklinux.ssh at gmail.com Sun Dec 21 16:20:35 2008 From: thinklinux.ssh at gmail.com (susmit shannigrahi) Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2008 21:50:35 +0530 Subject: [Ambassadors] APAC ambassadors meeting . In-Reply-To: <76e72f800812210445q2518ffccj4536737f84414a9c@mail.gmail.com> References: <76e72f800812210445q2518ffccj4536737f84414a9c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Sun, Dec 21, 2008 at 6:15 PM, Yuan Yijun wrote: > 2008/12/12 susmit shannigrahi : >> Hi, >> >> As the election process is on, I am reluctant to have the meeting >> tomorrow. (Second Sunday as fixed in the previous meeting) >> How about the third sunday of this month? That is 21th Dec 3UTC. >> > > /me took a whole day examination today, where is the meeting log please? No meeting could be held. Its my fault, I apologise for it. -- Regards, Susmit. ============================================= ssh 0x86DD170A http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/user:susmit ============================================= From thomas.canniot at mrtomlinux.org Sun Dec 21 19:06:39 2008 From: thomas.canniot at mrtomlinux.org (Thomas Canniot) Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2008 20:06:39 +0100 Subject: [Ambassadors] FAMSCo 2008 Election Result In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20081221200639.1b073c38@mrtomlinux.org> Le Sun, 21 Dec 2008 16:21:45 +0100, "Francesco Ugolini" a ?crit : > It's my pleasure to announce the election result for FAmSCo. > > Here the communication made by Nigel Jones, the Elections > Administrator, with the election result: > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Election Results for FAmSCo - Fedora 11 Cycle > > Voting Period: 07 December 2008 00:00:00 UTC to 20 December 23:59:59 > UTC > > Nominations: > > * David Nalley (ke4qqq) > * Francesco Ugolini (fugolini) > * Hector Gonzalez (hagr182) > * Joerg Simon (kital) > * Larry Cafiero (lcafiero) > * Max Spevack (spevack) > * Rodrigo Padula (RodrigoPadula) > * Sandro Mathys (red_alert) > * Susmit Shannigrahi (susmit) > * Thomas Canniot (MrTom) > > Outcomes: > > As defined in the election text, the seven (7) candidate(s) with the > greatest number of votes will be elected for full 2 release term. > > Information: > > At close of voting there were: > 126 valid ballots > > Using the Fedora Range Voting method, each candidate could attain a > maximum of 1260 votes (10*126). > > Results: > > 1. Max Spevack (spevack) 917 > 2. Joerg Simon (kital) 695 > 3. Francesco Ugolini (fugolini) 684 > 4. Thomas Canniot (MrTom) 561 > 5. Rodrigo Padula (RodrigoPadula) 548 > 6. David Nalley (ke4qqq) 487 > 7. Susmit Shannigrahi (susmit) 442 > ***** > 8. Sandro Mathys (red_alert) 356 > 9. Larry Cafiero (lcafiero) 346 > 10. Hector Gonzalez (hagr182) 252 > > As such, Max Spevack, Joerg Simon, Francesco Ugolini, Thomas Canniot, > Rodrigo Padula, David Nalley and Susmit Shannigrahi are elected to > FAmSCo for a full 2 relase term. > > Signed, > > Nigel Jones > Elections Administrator > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Congratulation to all the winners and big thanks to all the > partecipants of this amazing race: your name, along with your ideas, > will help next FAmSCo and Ambassadors Project having a better future! > > Many thanks to Nigel for his precious work and to whoever helped > organizing this election. > > Best regards > > on behalf of former FAmSCo > Francesco Ugolini Congrats and thanks to every amabassadors for their implication ! Thomas -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Regards Joerg -- Joerg (kital) Simon jsimon at fedoraproject.org http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/JoergSimon http://kitall.blogspot.com Key Fingerprint: 3691 0989 2DCA 58A2 8D1F 2CAC C823 558E 5B5B 5688 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part. URL: From jmbabich at gmail.com Sun Dec 21 20:07:22 2008 From: jmbabich at gmail.com (John Babich) Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2008 23:07:22 +0300 Subject: [Ambassadors] FAMSCo 2008 Election Result In-Reply-To: <200812212020.56263.jsimon@fedoraproject.org> References: <200812212020.56263.jsimon@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <9d2c731f0812211207g466acd77saf6e1d97b4923aed@mail.gmail.com> 2008/12/21 JoergSimon : > Am Sonntag, 21. Dezember 2008 16:21:45 schrieb Francesco Ugolini: >> As such, Max Spevack, Joerg Simon, Francesco Ugolini, Thomas Canniot, >> Rodrigo Padula, David Nalley and Susmit Shannigrahi are elected to >> FAmSCo for a full 2 relase term. > Congratulations to all those elected! Have a great 2009! John Babich Volunteer, Fedora Project ex-Member, FAmSCo From mahayalamkhan at gmail.com Sun Dec 21 20:28:58 2008 From: mahayalamkhan at gmail.com (mak) Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2008 02:28:58 +0600 Subject: [Ambassadors] FAMSCo 2008 Election Result In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: 2008/12/21 Francesco Ugolini > [....] > > As such, Max Spevack, Joerg Simon, Francesco Ugolini, Thomas Canniot, > Rodrigo Padula, David Nalley and Susmit Shannigrahi are elected to > FAmSCo for a full 2 relase term. > [......] > Congratulation to all and to my buddy Susmit. -- Regards Mahay Alam Khan gpg key: 4FDD30FB Fedora Ambassador Bangladesh -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From diaa.radwan at gmail.com Sun Dec 21 22:14:00 2008 From: diaa.radwan at gmail.com (Diaa Radwan) Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2008 00:14:00 +0200 Subject: [Ambassadors] Reporting Fedora day in Menoufiya University, Egypt Message-ID: <182b9f450812211414j34eeba49g35dcf62c27b3b3b3@mail.gmail.com> We had a successful fedora day in Egypt, it was organized by Mufix community. the event went great. The event held on 16-Dec-2008, we have started first with checking the registration booth. On registration process attendees answered several questions such as (do you know what is FOSS? did you used fedora linux before? do you have any GNU/Linux installed?), almost everyone checked on hearing about foss and fedora. Here is the full report http://fossology.net/Fedora_Day_at_Menoufiya_Universty_Egypt_release_10 -- Diaa Radwan http://www.fossology.net From thinklinux.ssh at gmail.com Mon Dec 22 03:23:51 2008 From: thinklinux.ssh at gmail.com (susmit shannigrahi) Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2008 08:53:51 +0530 Subject: [Ambassadors] FAMSCo 2008 Election Result In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: >> As such, Max Spevack, Joerg Simon, Francesco Ugolini, Thomas Canniot, >> Rodrigo Padula, David Nalley and Susmit Shannigrahi are elected to >> FAmSCo for a full 2 relase term. >> [......] > > Congratulation to all and to my buddy Susmit. Thank you all for your nice support, congrats to all the Candidates. Thanks Mak. Hope this is going to be a very productive year for Fedora. -- Regards, Susmit. ============================================= ssh 0x86DD170A http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/user:susmit ============================================= From mr.gopal.das at gmail.com Mon Dec 22 04:12:29 2008 From: mr.gopal.das at gmail.com (gopal das) Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2008 09:42:29 +0530 Subject: [Ambassadors] FAMSCo 2008 Election Result In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6f631c430812212012r14f5ae80i19b9363a11ba6b11@mail.gmail.com> On Sun, Dec 21, 2008 at 8:51 PM, Francesco Ugolini < fugolini at fedoraproject.org> wrote: > It's my pleasure to announce the election result for FAmSCo. > > Here the communication made by Nigel Jones, the Elections > Administrator, with the election result: > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Election Results for FAmSCo - Fedora 11 Cycle > > Voting Period: 07 December 2008 00:00:00 UTC to 20 December 23:59:59 UTC > > Nominations: > > * David Nalley (ke4qqq) > * Francesco Ugolini (fugolini) > * Hector Gonzalez (hagr182) > * Joerg Simon (kital) > * Larry Cafiero (lcafiero) > * Max Spevack (spevack) > * Rodrigo Padula (RodrigoPadula) > * Sandro Mathys (red_alert) > * Susmit Shannigrahi (susmit) > * Thomas Canniot (MrTom) > > Outcomes: > > As defined in the election text, the seven (7) candidate(s) with the > greatest number of votes will be elected for full 2 release term. > > Information: > > At close of voting there were: > 126 valid ballots > > Using the Fedora Range Voting method, each candidate could attain a > maximum of 1260 votes (10*126). > > Results: > > 1. Max Spevack (spevack) 917 > 2. Joerg Simon (kital) 695 > 3. Francesco Ugolini (fugolini) 684 > 4. Thomas Canniot (MrTom) 561 > 5. Rodrigo Padula (RodrigoPadula) 548 > 6. David Nalley (ke4qqq) 487 > 7. Susmit Shannigrahi (susmit) 442 > ***** > 8. Sandro Mathys (red_alert) 356 > 9. Larry Cafiero (lcafiero) 346 > 10. Hector Gonzalez (hagr182) 252 > > As such, Max Spevack, Joerg Simon, Francesco Ugolini, Thomas Canniot, > Rodrigo Padula, David Nalley and Susmit Shannigrahi are elected to > FAmSCo for a full 2 relase term. > > Signed, > > Nigel Jones > Elections Administrator > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Congratulation to all the winners and big thanks to all the > partecipants of this amazing race: your name, along with your ideas, > will help next FAmSCo and Ambassadors Project having a better future! > > Many thanks to Nigel for his precious work and to whoever helped > organizing this election. > > Best regards > > on behalf of former FAmSCo > Francesco Ugolini > > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > Hi, Congratulation to all who have selected. Congratulation to Susmit. 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Steven On Mon, 2008-12-22 at 15:09 +0100, Francesco Ugolini wrote: > Hi, > > this is the 2008 (FY09) FAmSCo Activities and Events report, I hope it > could help new FAmSCo members to figure out what the past FAmSCo has > done with some suggestion to improve the future experience. > > This report is for all Ambassadors too: I hope you'll find a brief, > simple scheme of what was done, thank, primarily, to the marvelous job > you have done and, I'm sure, you'll continue to do. > > My big thanks to you, fellow Ambassadors, who made FAmSCo job really > easy and helped it focusing on your necessities, ideas and proposal. > > Former FAmSCo, moreover, want to wish you a happy New Year and all the > best for you, as ambassadors and persons. > > Regards > > on behalf of former FAmSCo > Francesco Ugolini > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list From herlo1 at gmail.com Mon Dec 22 17:02:42 2008 From: herlo1 at gmail.com (Clint Savage) Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2008 10:02:42 -0700 Subject: [Ambassadors] FAmSCo 2008 Activities and Events Report In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: 2008/12/22 Francesco Ugolini : > Hi, > > this is the 2008 (FY09) FAmSCo Activities and Events report, I hope it > could help new FAmSCo members to figure out what the past FAmSCo has > done with some suggestion to improve the future experience. > > This report is for all Ambassadors too: I hope you'll find a brief, > simple scheme of what was done, thank, primarily, to the marvelous job > you have done and, I'm sure, you'll continue to do. > > My big thanks to you, fellow Ambassadors, who made FAmSCo job really > easy and helped it focusing on your necessities, ideas and proposal. > > Former FAmSCo, moreover, want to wish you a happy New Year and all the > best for you, as ambassadors and persons. > > Regards > > on behalf of former FAmSCo > Francesco Ugolini > Francesco and FAmSCo, Thank you for this nice report. I really learned a lot about the value gained from the Fedora Ambassadors. It was really informative and useful and I hope to see more of these each year. Because of its usefulness, I had two questions and a clarification for the report. Question 1 - The reporting done here does not seem to be based on the Fiscal Year defined by Red Hat as March 2008-February 2009, but rather Jan 2008-December 2008. Why was this chosen? I have assumptions, but wanted to get a clear statement to help all Ambassadors understand. Question 2 - Also, would someone be willing to report based upon FY09 as defined by Red Hat's budget? As I believe it to be useful to stick to that budget for reporting. Clarification - In the report, it is stated that FAD in North America was held 2008-10-10 (Friday), but it was actually held 2008-10-12 (Sunday). I hope this helps. Thanks again for the amazing report, and I look forward to more information like this in the future. Cheers, Clint Grateful North American Ambassador From fugolini at fedoraproject.org Mon Dec 22 17:18:37 2008 From: fugolini at fedoraproject.org (Francesco Ugolini) Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2008 18:18:37 +0100 Subject: [Ambassadors] FAmSCo 2008 Activities and Events Report In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Mon, Dec 22, 2008 at 6:02 PM, Clint Savage wrote: > Question 1 - The reporting done here does not seem to be based on the > Fiscal Year defined by Red Hat as March 2008-February 2009, but rather > Jan 2008-December 2008. Why was this chosen? I have assumptions, but > wanted to get a clear statement to help all Ambassadors understand. The former FAmSCo was elected in Jannuary so I started counting new members since that period. For the Budget, instead, we count the event starting from Q1, so from december 2007. > Question 2 - Also, would someone be willing to report based upon FY09 > as defined by Red Hat's budget? As I believe it to be useful to stick > to that budget for reporting. Except that Q4 is missing in some chart, because it isn't closed yet, all the other data where taken counting all the events (from FedoraEvents page) and taking information from the CommunityArchitecture budget distribution plan. So, maybe I missed the point, btw, for a numeric POV budget datas represents RH FY. > Clarification - In the report, it is stated that FAD in North America > was held 2008-10-10 (Friday), but it was actually held 2008-10-12 > (Sunday). I hope this helps. You are right, I just took this data from the main (or something similar) FADs page. I'll correct this as soon as possible. Thank you for your interesting points, I hope to have answered all your questions, tell me if I missed the point and I'll try to give a better answer. Regards Francesco Ugolini From herlo1 at gmail.com Mon Dec 22 17:34:16 2008 From: herlo1 at gmail.com (Clint Savage) Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2008 10:34:16 -0700 Subject: [Ambassadors] Artwork for x86_64 Live CDs and Install DVDs for North America Message-ID: Hi all, I was perusing the Media Art page today looking for label and sleeve art for the x86_64 architecture. NA is ordering LiveCDs and Install DVDs for these arches in addition to the x86 media. My concern is that there is not any artwork for the x86_64 architecture on the wiki as of yet. per this discussion: https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-art-list/2008-November/msg00075.html There was a follow-up in irc #fedora-ambassadors (unfortunately, I don't have the log of the info off-hand, I'll try to find it) discussing the labeling for x86 vs x86_64. I believe the results were: x86: For Intel compatible PC's x86_64: For 64-bit Intel compatible PC's I'm planning to take the labels / sleeves from the F10 Media Art page[1] and update them to include new scribus, pdf and eps versions for the 64-bit arch. I should have the new media art up by tomorrow evening at the latest. As soon as I have this art, I'll follow-up asking for a few +1s so we can pass them onto the media company. If anyone can get them up faster, I would love the help, just let me know. Cheers, Clint For those not familiar with this discussion, I wanted to make sure the reasoning is explained here. Many computers in NA (and EMEA as I understand it) are now shipping 64-bit processors. Most manufacturers are moving away from the 32-bit model. The thing is, that while the 32-bit spins will work on 64-bit machines, they are not taking full advantage. Because of this, NA decided to ship 64-bit as well as 32-bit media. The cost of media has been reduced and thus we are able to produce more media for less cost. From luca at foppiano.org Mon Dec 22 20:41:40 2008 From: luca at foppiano.org (Luca Foppiano) Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2008 21:41:40 +0100 Subject: [Ambassadors] fedora 10 release parties - Italy Message-ID: <1229978500.3456.13.camel@localhost.localdomain> Hi all, I'm sorry for delay, it's a "not so good period", here the reports and photos about fedora 10 release party. * Rome photos: http://picasaweb.google.it/palazzotti/Fedora10Party reports: http://pallinux.blogspot.com/2008/12/fedora-10-release-partygreat.html http://www.ismprofessional.net/pascucci/index.php/2008/12/fedora-10-release-party-roma-tutto-bene/ * Milan reports: http://blog.foppiano.org/2008/12/21/fedora-10-release-party-report/ http://people.byte-code.com/fcrippa/2008/12/19/fedora-release-party-milan-italy/ photos: http://www.flickr.com/photos/fcrippa/sets/72157611253122256/ http://www.fsugitalia.org/fotografie/v/fedora10rp/ bye Luca -- Today is Sweetmorn, the 64th day of The Aftermath in the YOLD 3174 Wonderful day. Your hangover just makes it seem terrible. From fabhoneydew at gmail.com Tue Dec 23 05:46:34 2008 From: fabhoneydew at gmail.com (kishan goyal) Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2008 11:16:34 +0530 Subject: [Ambassadors] Fedora booth at IOTA convention at Science City, Kolkata. In-Reply-To: References: <6f631c430812191725r4ea9a2a4q41e944b88689edf5@mail.gmail.com> <494C6D09.8050103@gmail.com> <35586fc00812192015r5dbad5b7jb2dedb72d22ce51b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <9f45b2730812222146o315e13a3n70acc7c627862609@mail.gmail.com> I would be attending it. It is a great opportunity for a newbie like me to meet others and I wouldn't like to miss it at any chance. Regards, Kishan. On 12/20/08, susmit shannigrahi wrote: > If you are attending the event..please let me know your t-shirt size. > -- > Regards, > Susmit. > > ============================================= > ssh > 0x86DD170A > http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/user:susmit > ============================================= > > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > From shambo.linux at gmail.com Tue Dec 23 09:30:43 2008 From: shambo.linux at gmail.com (Shambo Bose) Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2008 15:00:43 +0530 Subject: [Ambassadors] Fedora booth at IOTA convention at Science City, Kolkata. In-Reply-To: <9f45b2730812222146o315e13a3n70acc7c627862609@mail.gmail.com> References: <6f631c430812191725r4ea9a2a4q41e944b88689edf5@mail.gmail.com> <494C6D09.8050103@gmail.com> <35586fc00812192015r5dbad5b7jb2dedb72d22ce51b@mail.gmail.com> <9f45b2730812222146o315e13a3n70acc7c627862609@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: hi, I will attend the booth on 27th or 28th , I can't tell you the exact date because I will have a exam on 26th and then either on 27th or 28th the date is till not fixed. regards, Shambo On Tue, Dec 23, 2008 at 11:16 AM, kishan goyal wrote: > I would be attending it. It is a great opportunity for a newbie like > me to meet others and I wouldn't like to miss it at any chance. > Regards, > Kishan. > > On 12/20/08, susmit shannigrahi wrote: > > If you are attending the event..please let me know your t-shirt size. > > -- > > Regards, > > Susmit. > > > > ============================================= > > ssh > > 0x86DD170A > > http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/user:susmit > > ============================================= > > > > -- > > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > > > > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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If the event is anything like eth-0 last year, the process for getting a paper in is very simple, and can even be done last minute. (Such as when you show up at the door.) For those of you that like to do things in a more timely fashion, i'm forwarding this on to the list, so you can decide if you want to present. The call for papers can be found here: https://har2009.org/index.php?p=86 If you are interested in submitting a paper and would like to see a Fedora presence there, please reply on this list, so we can figure out what kind of interest there is. -Yaakov From dezone24 at gmail.com Wed Dec 24 02:02:27 2008 From: dezone24 at gmail.com (Diego Escobar) Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2008 21:02:27 -0500 Subject: [Ambassadors] Fedora 10 How To In-Reply-To: <46c1230812210719l3ee12207ha5bd13b91c23259b@mail.gmail.com> References: <494D613C.7060300@yahoo.com.mx> <46c1230812210719l3ee12207ha5bd13b91c23259b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi: Thanks to everebody for yours comments. I wrote this guide in my language (spanish) because there are less documentation in this language than English. This is one of the reasons what we think, people don't use Linux on their computers. In English there are a lot of excelent documentation (including official Fedora guides). I am only translate and write it in a easy way. (For newbies :) ) So, if you consider that a English version could be useful for more people around the world, let's go. If somebody can translate it into English, Francais o wharever you want... go for it! Just let me know. Regards! 2008/12/21 dj-sh > Hi guys > Forgot to tell about my Fedora 10 Guides have a look > http://djsh.net/fedora-10-cambridge/ > Please suggest any changes. > > Thanks > Dhananjay Singh > http://djsh.net > > > > 2008/12/21 Charly Manjarrez > >> Greate stuff, I thinking to use it on FLISOL 2009, thanks a lot. >> >> Diego Escobar wrote: >> >> >> Hi all: >> >> Now, it's avaible a little "how to" for Fedora 10 named "Aprende Fedora >> 10" (Learning Fedora 10). This guide is designed for new Linux and Fedora >> user's and its part of spread Fedora on Latam and spanish speakers people >> (its in Spanish ;) ). Installation, productivity, instant messaging until >> customization are convered on easy way. >> >> If you consider useful you can download it: >> http://suservidorwp.googlepages.com/AprendeFedora10.pdf >> >> Official Announce: >> http://proyectofedora.org/colombia/manuales/%C2%A1aprende-fedora-10/ >> >> Suggestions are welcome. >> >> Regards! >> >> -- >> Diego Escobar >> Fedora Ambassador for Colombia >> Fedora Release 9 (Sulphur): Linux Kernel 2.6.25 + Gnome 2.22 >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> -- >> Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing listFedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.comhttps://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list >> >> >> >> -- >> Carlos Manjarrez >> charlymanja at fedoraproject.org >> ID: A86964ED >> Finger Print: F7F5 EB32 D657 8F0C 995C 84CD 0D52 BF8C A869 64EDhttp://compartelo.wordpress.com >> >> >> -- >> Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list >> Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list >> >> > > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > > -- Diego Escobar Fedora Ambassador for Colombia Fedora Release 9 (Sulphur): Linux Kernel 2.6.25 + Gnome 2.22 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shambo.linux at gmail.com Wed Dec 24 05:50:06 2008 From: shambo.linux at gmail.com (Shambo Bose) Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2008 11:20:06 +0530 Subject: [Ambassadors] FAMSCo 2008 Election Result In-Reply-To: <6f631c430812212012r14f5ae80i19b9363a11ba6b11@mail.gmail.com> References: <6f631c430812212012r14f5ae80i19b9363a11ba6b11@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: 2008/12/22 gopal das > > > On Sun, Dec 21, 2008 at 8:51 PM, Francesco Ugolini < > fugolini at fedoraproject.org> wrote: > >> It's my pleasure to announce the election result for FAmSCo. >> >> Here the communication made by Nigel Jones, the Elections >> Administrator, with the election result: >> >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> Election Results for FAmSCo - Fedora 11 Cycle >> >> Voting Period: 07 December 2008 00:00:00 UTC to 20 December 23:59:59 UTC >> >> Nominations: >> >> * David Nalley (ke4qqq) >> * Francesco Ugolini (fugolini) >> * Hector Gonzalez (hagr182) >> * Joerg Simon (kital) >> * Larry Cafiero (lcafiero) >> * Max Spevack (spevack) >> * Rodrigo Padula (RodrigoPadula) >> * Sandro Mathys (red_alert) >> * Susmit Shannigrahi (susmit) >> * Thomas Canniot (MrTom) >> >> Outcomes: >> >> As defined in the election text, the seven (7) candidate(s) with the >> greatest number of votes will be elected for full 2 release term. >> >> Information: >> >> At close of voting there were: >> 126 valid ballots >> >> Using the Fedora Range Voting method, each candidate could attain a >> maximum of 1260 votes (10*126). >> >> Results: >> >> 1. Max Spevack (spevack) 917 >> 2. Joerg Simon (kital) 695 >> 3. Francesco Ugolini (fugolini) 684 >> 4. Thomas Canniot (MrTom) 561 >> 5. Rodrigo Padula (RodrigoPadula) 548 >> 6. David Nalley (ke4qqq) 487 >> 7. Susmit Shannigrahi (susmit) 442 >> ***** >> 8. Sandro Mathys (red_alert) 356 >> 9. Larry Cafiero (lcafiero) 346 >> 10. Hector Gonzalez (hagr182) 252 >> >> As such, Max Spevack, Joerg Simon, Francesco Ugolini, Thomas Canniot, >> Rodrigo Padula, David Nalley and Susmit Shannigrahi are elected to >> FAmSCo for a full 2 relase term. >> >> Signed, >> >> Nigel Jones >> Elections Administrator >> >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> Congratulation to all the winners and big thanks to all the >> partecipants of this amazing race: your name, along with your ideas, >> will help next FAmSCo and Ambassadors Project having a better future! >> >> Many thanks to Nigel for his precious work and to whoever helped >> organizing this election. >> >> Best regards >> >> on behalf of former FAmSCo >> Francesco Ugolini >> >> -- >> Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list >> Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list >> > > > Hi, > > Congratulation to all who have selected. Congratulation to Susmit. > > > Cheers > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > > Hi, Congrats to all selected candidates , especially to Susmit . Merry Christmas. regards, Shambo Bose -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From chakraborty.dipanjan at gmail.com Wed Dec 24 07:01:18 2008 From: chakraborty.dipanjan at gmail.com (Dipanjan Chakraborty) Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2008 12:31:18 +0530 Subject: [Ambassadors] FAMSCo 2008 Election Result In-Reply-To: References: <6f631c430812212012r14f5ae80i19b9363a11ba6b11@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: 2008/12/24 Shambo Bose > > > 2008/12/22 gopal das > > >> >> On Sun, Dec 21, 2008 at 8:51 PM, Francesco Ugolini < >> fugolini at fedoraproject.org> wrote: >> >>> It's my pleasure to announce the election result for FAmSCo. >>> >>> Here the communication made by Nigel Jones, the Elections >>> Administrator, with the election result: >>> >>> >>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> >>> Election Results for FAmSCo - Fedora 11 Cycle >>> >>> Voting Period: 07 December 2008 00:00:00 UTC to 20 December 23:59:59 UTC >>> >>> Nominations: >>> >>> * David Nalley (ke4qqq) >>> * Francesco Ugolini (fugolini) >>> * Hector Gonzalez (hagr182) >>> * Joerg Simon (kital) >>> * Larry Cafiero (lcafiero) >>> * Max Spevack (spevack) >>> * Rodrigo Padula (RodrigoPadula) >>> * Sandro Mathys (red_alert) >>> * Susmit Shannigrahi (susmit) >>> * Thomas Canniot (MrTom) >>> >>> Outcomes: >>> >>> As defined in the election text, the seven (7) candidate(s) with the >>> greatest number of votes will be elected for full 2 release term. >>> >>> Information: >>> >>> At close of voting there were: >>> 126 valid ballots >>> >>> Using the Fedora Range Voting method, each candidate could attain a >>> maximum of 1260 votes (10*126). >>> >>> Results: >>> >>> 1. Max Spevack (spevack) 917 >>> 2. Joerg Simon (kital) 695 >>> 3. Francesco Ugolini (fugolini) 684 >>> 4. Thomas Canniot (MrTom) 561 >>> 5. Rodrigo Padula (RodrigoPadula) 548 >>> 6. David Nalley (ke4qqq) 487 >>> 7. Susmit Shannigrahi (susmit) 442 >>> ***** >>> 8. Sandro Mathys (red_alert) 356 >>> 9. Larry Cafiero (lcafiero) 346 >>> 10. Hector Gonzalez (hagr182) 252 >>> >>> As such, Max Spevack, Joerg Simon, Francesco Ugolini, Thomas Canniot, >>> Rodrigo Padula, David Nalley and Susmit Shannigrahi are elected to >>> FAmSCo for a full 2 relase term. >>> >>> Signed, >>> >>> Nigel Jones >>> Elections Administrator >>> >>> >>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> >>> Congratulation to all the winners and big thanks to all the >>> partecipants of this amazing race: your name, along with your ideas, >>> will help next FAmSCo and Ambassadors Project having a better future! >>> >>> Many thanks to Nigel for his precious work and to whoever helped >>> organizing this election. >>> >>> Best regards >>> >>> on behalf of former FAmSCo >>> Francesco Ugolini >>> >>> -- >>> Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list >>> Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com >>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list >>> >> >> >> Hi, >> >> Congratulation to all who have selected. Congratulation to Susmit. >> >> >> Cheers >> -- >> Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list >> Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list >> >> > Hi, > > Congrats to all selected candidates , especially to Susmit . > Merry Christmas. > > regards, > > Shambo Bose > > > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > > Congrats to all elected. Many congratulations to Susmit Da. Have a very nice time. -- Yours sincerely, Dipanjan Chakraborty -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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(For newbies > :) ) > > So, if you consider that a English version could be useful for more people > around the world, let's go. If somebody can translate it into English, > Francais o wharever you want... go for it! Just let me know. > > Regards! > > 2008/12/21 dj-sh > >> Hi guys >> Forgot to tell about my Fedora 10 Guides have a look >> http://djsh.net/fedora-10-cambridge/ >> Please suggest any changes. >> >> Thanks >> Dhananjay Singh >> http://djsh.net >> >> >> >> 2008/12/21 Charly Manjarrez >> >>> Greate stuff, I thinking to use it on FLISOL 2009, thanks a lot. >>> >>> Diego Escobar wrote: >>> >>> >>> Hi all: >>> >>> Now, it's avaible a little "how to" for Fedora 10 named "Aprende Fedora >>> 10" (Learning Fedora 10). This guide is designed for new Linux and Fedora >>> user's and its part of spread Fedora on Latam and spanish speakers people >>> (its in Spanish ;) ). Installation, productivity, instant messaging until >>> customization are convered on easy way. >>> >>> If you consider useful you can download it: >>> http://suservidorwp.googlepages.com/AprendeFedora10.pdf >>> >>> Official Announce: >>> http://proyectofedora.org/colombia/manuales/%C2%A1aprende-fedora-10/ >>> >>> Suggestions are welcome. >>> >>> Regards! >>> >>> -- >>> Diego Escobar >>> Fedora Ambassador for Colombia >>> Fedora Release 9 (Sulphur): Linux Kernel 2.6.25 + Gnome 2.22 >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> -- >>> Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing listFedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.comhttps://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Carlos Manjarrez >>> charlymanja at fedoraproject.org >>> ID: A86964ED >>> Finger Print: F7F5 EB32 D657 8F0C 995C 84CD 0D52 BF8C A869 64EDhttp://compartelo.wordpress.com >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list >>> Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com >>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list >>> >>> >> >> -- >> Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list >> Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list >> >> > > > -- > Diego Escobar > Fedora Ambassador for Colombia > Fedora Release 9 (Sulphur): Linux Kernel 2.6.25 + Gnome 2.22 > > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From irashadul at gmail.com Wed Dec 24 15:45:10 2008 From: irashadul at gmail.com (Rashadul Islam) Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2008 16:15:10 +0030 Subject: [Ambassadors] FAMSCo 2008 Election Result In-Reply-To: References: <6f631c430812212012r14f5ae80i19b9363a11ba6b11@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <17fa59580812240745t50764886xe55543bedf5bdd2c@mail.gmail.com> Congratulations to u all. It would be a great year for all the fellow ambassadors. On 12/24/08, Dipanjan Chakraborty wrote: > 2008/12/24 Shambo Bose > >> >> >> 2008/12/22 gopal das >> >> >>> >>> On Sun, Dec 21, 2008 at 8:51 PM, Francesco Ugolini < >>> fugolini at fedoraproject.org> wrote: >>> >>>> It's my pleasure to announce the election result for FAmSCo. >>>> >>>> Here the communication made by Nigel Jones, the Elections >>>> Administrator, with the election result: >>>> >>>> >>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>> >>>> Election Results for FAmSCo - Fedora 11 Cycle >>>> >>>> Voting Period: 07 December 2008 00:00:00 UTC to 20 December 23:59:59 UTC >>>> >>>> Nominations: >>>> >>>> * David Nalley (ke4qqq) >>>> * Francesco Ugolini (fugolini) >>>> * Hector Gonzalez (hagr182) >>>> * Joerg Simon (kital) >>>> * Larry Cafiero (lcafiero) >>>> * Max Spevack (spevack) >>>> * Rodrigo Padula (RodrigoPadula) >>>> * Sandro Mathys (red_alert) >>>> * Susmit Shannigrahi (susmit) >>>> * Thomas Canniot (MrTom) >>>> >>>> Outcomes: >>>> >>>> As defined in the election text, the seven (7) candidate(s) with the >>>> greatest number of votes will be elected for full 2 release term. >>>> >>>> Information: >>>> >>>> At close of voting there were: >>>> 126 valid ballots >>>> >>>> Using the Fedora Range Voting method, each candidate could attain a >>>> maximum of 1260 votes (10*126). >>>> >>>> Results: >>>> >>>> 1. Max Spevack (spevack) 917 >>>> 2. Joerg Simon (kital) 695 >>>> 3. Francesco Ugolini (fugolini) 684 >>>> 4. Thomas Canniot (MrTom) 561 >>>> 5. Rodrigo Padula (RodrigoPadula) 548 >>>> 6. David Nalley (ke4qqq) 487 >>>> 7. Susmit Shannigrahi (susmit) 442 >>>> ***** >>>> 8. Sandro Mathys (red_alert) 356 >>>> 9. Larry Cafiero (lcafiero) 346 >>>> 10. Hector Gonzalez (hagr182) 252 >>>> >>>> As such, Max Spevack, Joerg Simon, Francesco Ugolini, Thomas Canniot, >>>> Rodrigo Padula, David Nalley and Susmit Shannigrahi are elected to >>>> FAmSCo for a full 2 relase term. >>>> >>>> Signed, >>>> >>>> Nigel Jones >>>> Elections Administrator >>>> >>>> >>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>> >>>> Congratulation to all the winners and big thanks to all the >>>> partecipants of this amazing race: your name, along with your ideas, >>>> will help next FAmSCo and Ambassadors Project having a better future! >>>> >>>> Many thanks to Nigel for his precious work and to whoever helped >>>> organizing this election. >>>> >>>> Best regards >>>> >>>> on behalf of former FAmSCo >>>> Francesco Ugolini >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list >>>> Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com >>>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list >>>> >>> >>> >>> Hi, >>> >>> Congratulation to all who have selected. Congratulation to Susmit. >>> >>> >>> Cheers >>> -- >>> Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list >>> Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com >>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list >>> >>> >> Hi, >> >> Congrats to all selected candidates , especially to Susmit . >> Merry Christmas. >> >> regards, >> >> Shambo Bose >> >> >> -- >> Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list >> Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list >> >> > Congrats to all elected. Many congratulations to Susmit Da. Have a very nice > time. > > -- > Yours sincerely, > Dipanjan Chakraborty > -- Rashadul Islam ---------------------- Fedora Ambassador Canada/Montreal GPG Key 5557BFAC Finger Print 3869 732D FC43 92B4 2805 85DD C072 0238 4C74 3A69 From irashadul at gmail.com Wed Dec 24 15:45:21 2008 From: irashadul at gmail.com (Rashadul Islam) Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2008 16:15:21 +0030 Subject: [Ambassadors] FAMSCo 2008 Election Result In-Reply-To: <17fa59580812240745t50764886xe55543bedf5bdd2c@mail.gmail.com> References: <6f631c430812212012r14f5ae80i19b9363a11ba6b11@mail.gmail.com> <17fa59580812240745t50764886xe55543bedf5bdd2c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <17fa59580812240745i7130cbbasdb724d895344a8e3@mail.gmail.com> Congratulations to u all. It would be a great year for all the fellow ambassadors. On 12/24/08, Rashadul Islam wrote: > Congratulations to u all. It would be a great year for all the fellow > ambassadors. > > On 12/24/08, Dipanjan Chakraborty wrote: >> 2008/12/24 Shambo Bose >> >>> >>> >>> 2008/12/22 gopal das >>> >>> >>>> >>>> On Sun, Dec 21, 2008 at 8:51 PM, Francesco Ugolini < >>>> fugolini at fedoraproject.org> wrote: >>>> >>>>> It's my pleasure to announce the election result for FAmSCo. >>>>> >>>>> Here the communication made by Nigel Jones, the Elections >>>>> Administrator, with the election result: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>> >>>>> Election Results for FAmSCo - Fedora 11 Cycle >>>>> >>>>> Voting Period: 07 December 2008 00:00:00 UTC to 20 December 23:59:59 >>>>> UTC >>>>> >>>>> Nominations: >>>>> >>>>> * David Nalley (ke4qqq) >>>>> * Francesco Ugolini (fugolini) >>>>> * Hector Gonzalez (hagr182) >>>>> * Joerg Simon (kital) >>>>> * Larry Cafiero (lcafiero) >>>>> * Max Spevack (spevack) >>>>> * Rodrigo Padula (RodrigoPadula) >>>>> * Sandro Mathys (red_alert) >>>>> * Susmit Shannigrahi (susmit) >>>>> * Thomas Canniot (MrTom) >>>>> >>>>> Outcomes: >>>>> >>>>> As defined in the election text, the seven (7) candidate(s) with the >>>>> greatest number of votes will be elected for full 2 release term. >>>>> >>>>> Information: >>>>> >>>>> At close of voting there were: >>>>> 126 valid ballots >>>>> >>>>> Using the Fedora Range Voting method, each candidate could attain a >>>>> maximum of 1260 votes (10*126). >>>>> >>>>> Results: >>>>> >>>>> 1. Max Spevack (spevack) 917 >>>>> 2. Joerg Simon (kital) 695 >>>>> 3. Francesco Ugolini (fugolini) 684 >>>>> 4. Thomas Canniot (MrTom) 561 >>>>> 5. Rodrigo Padula (RodrigoPadula) 548 >>>>> 6. David Nalley (ke4qqq) 487 >>>>> 7. Susmit Shannigrahi (susmit) 442 >>>>> ***** >>>>> 8. Sandro Mathys (red_alert) 356 >>>>> 9. Larry Cafiero (lcafiero) 346 >>>>> 10. Hector Gonzalez (hagr182) 252 >>>>> >>>>> As such, Max Spevack, Joerg Simon, Francesco Ugolini, Thomas Canniot, >>>>> Rodrigo Padula, David Nalley and Susmit Shannigrahi are elected to >>>>> FAmSCo for a full 2 relase term. >>>>> >>>>> Signed, >>>>> >>>>> Nigel Jones >>>>> Elections Administrator >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>> >>>>> Congratulation to all the winners and big thanks to all the >>>>> partecipants of this amazing race: your name, along with your ideas, >>>>> will help next FAmSCo and Ambassadors Project having a better future! >>>>> >>>>> Many thanks to Nigel for his precious work and to whoever helped >>>>> organizing this election. >>>>> >>>>> Best regards >>>>> >>>>> on behalf of former FAmSCo >>>>> Francesco Ugolini >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list >>>>> Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com >>>>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Hi, >>>> >>>> Congratulation to all who have selected. Congratulation to Susmit. >>>> >>>> >>>> Cheers >>>> -- >>>> Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list >>>> Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com >>>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list >>>> >>>> >>> Hi, >>> >>> Congrats to all selected candidates , especially to Susmit . >>> Merry Christmas. >>> >>> regards, >>> >>> Shambo Bose >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list >>> Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com >>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list >>> >>> >> Congrats to all elected. Many congratulations to Susmit Da. Have a very >> nice >> time. >> >> -- >> Yours sincerely, >> Dipanjan Chakraborty >> > > > -- > Rashadul Islam > ---------------------- > Fedora Ambassador > Canada/Montreal > GPG Key 5557BFAC > Finger Print 3869 732D FC43 92B4 2805 85DD C072 0238 4C74 3A69 > -- Rashadul Islam ---------------------- Fedora Ambassador Canada/Montreal GPG Key 5557BFAC Finger Print 3869 732D FC43 92B4 2805 85DD C072 0238 4C74 3A69 From arnavkalra007 at gmail.com Thu Dec 25 04:34:40 2008 From: arnavkalra007 at gmail.com (Arnav Kalra) Date: Thu, 25 Dec 2008 10:04:40 +0530 Subject: [Ambassadors] FAMSCo 2008 Election Result In-Reply-To: <17fa59580812240745i7130cbbasdb724d895344a8e3@mail.gmail.com> References: <6f631c430812212012r14f5ae80i19b9363a11ba6b11@mail.gmail.com> <17fa59580812240745t50764886xe55543bedf5bdd2c@mail.gmail.com> <17fa59580812240745i7130cbbasdb724d895344a8e3@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <5ac533d50812242034h3335eff6x784cdc0f67008473@mail.gmail.com> Susmit merry christmas , a happy new year and a happy release term. arnav kalra (fedora inside) On Wed, Dec 24, 2008 at 9:15 PM, Rashadul Islam wrote: > Congratulations to u all. It would be a great year for all the fellow > ambassadors. > > On 12/24/08, Rashadul Islam wrote: > > Congratulations to u all. It would be a great year for all the fellow > > ambassadors. > > > > On 12/24/08, Dipanjan Chakraborty > wrote: > >> 2008/12/24 Shambo Bose > >> > >>> > >>> > >>> 2008/12/22 gopal das > >>> > >>> > >>>> > >>>> On Sun, Dec 21, 2008 at 8:51 PM, Francesco Ugolini < > >>>> fugolini at fedoraproject.org> wrote: > >>>> > >>>>> It's my pleasure to announce the election result for FAmSCo. > >>>>> > >>>>> Here the communication made by Nigel Jones, the Elections > >>>>> Administrator, with the election result: > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > >>>>> > >>>>> Election Results for FAmSCo - Fedora 11 Cycle > >>>>> > >>>>> Voting Period: 07 December 2008 00:00:00 UTC to 20 December 23:59:59 > >>>>> UTC > >>>>> > >>>>> Nominations: > >>>>> > >>>>> * David Nalley (ke4qqq) > >>>>> * Francesco Ugolini (fugolini) > >>>>> * Hector Gonzalez (hagr182) > >>>>> * Joerg Simon (kital) > >>>>> * Larry Cafiero (lcafiero) > >>>>> * Max Spevack (spevack) > >>>>> * Rodrigo Padula (RodrigoPadula) > >>>>> * Sandro Mathys (red_alert) > >>>>> * Susmit Shannigrahi (susmit) > >>>>> * Thomas Canniot (MrTom) > >>>>> > >>>>> Outcomes: > >>>>> > >>>>> As defined in the election text, the seven (7) candidate(s) with the > >>>>> greatest number of votes will be elected for full 2 release term. > >>>>> > >>>>> Information: > >>>>> > >>>>> At close of voting there were: > >>>>> 126 valid ballots > >>>>> > >>>>> Using the Fedora Range Voting method, each candidate could attain a > >>>>> maximum of 1260 votes (10*126). > >>>>> > >>>>> Results: > >>>>> > >>>>> 1. Max Spevack (spevack) 917 > >>>>> 2. Joerg Simon (kital) 695 > >>>>> 3. Francesco Ugolini (fugolini) 684 > >>>>> 4. Thomas Canniot (MrTom) 561 > >>>>> 5. Rodrigo Padula (RodrigoPadula) 548 > >>>>> 6. David Nalley (ke4qqq) 487 > >>>>> 7. Susmit Shannigrahi (susmit) 442 > >>>>> ***** > >>>>> 8. Sandro Mathys (red_alert) 356 > >>>>> 9. Larry Cafiero (lcafiero) 346 > >>>>> 10. Hector Gonzalez (hagr182) 252 > >>>>> > >>>>> As such, Max Spevack, Joerg Simon, Francesco Ugolini, Thomas Canniot, > >>>>> Rodrigo Padula, David Nalley and Susmit Shannigrahi are elected to > >>>>> FAmSCo for a full 2 relase term. > >>>>> > >>>>> Signed, > >>>>> > >>>>> Nigel Jones > >>>>> Elections Administrator > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > >>>>> > >>>>> Congratulation to all the winners and big thanks to all the > >>>>> partecipants of this amazing race: your name, along with your ideas, > >>>>> will help next FAmSCo and Ambassadors Project having a better future! > >>>>> > >>>>> Many thanks to Nigel for his precious work and to whoever helped > >>>>> organizing this election. > >>>>> > >>>>> Best regards > >>>>> > >>>>> on behalf of former FAmSCo > >>>>> Francesco Ugolini > >>>>> > >>>>> -- > >>>>> Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > >>>>> Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > >>>>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > >>>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> Hi, > >>>> > >>>> Congratulation to all who have selected. Congratulation to Susmit. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> Cheers > >>>> -- > >>>> Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > >>>> Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > >>>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > >>>> > >>>> > >>> Hi, > >>> > >>> Congrats to all selected candidates , especially to Susmit . > >>> Merry Christmas. > >>> > >>> regards, > >>> > >>> Shambo Bose > >>> > >>> > >>> -- > >>> Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > >>> Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > >>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > >>> > >>> > >> Congrats to all elected. Many congratulations to Susmit Da. 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URL: From gerold at lugd.org Thu Dec 25 08:34:00 2008 From: gerold at lugd.org (Gerold Kassube) Date: Thu, 25 Dec 2008 09:34:00 +0100 Subject: [Ambassadors] FAMSCo 2008 Election Result In-Reply-To: <5ac533d50812242034h3335eff6x784cdc0f67008473@mail.gmail.com> References: <6f631c430812212012r14f5ae80i19b9363a11ba6b11@mail.gmail.com> <17fa59580812240745t50764886xe55543bedf5bdd2c@mail.gmail.com> <17fa59580812240745i7130cbbasdb724d895344a8e3@mail.gmail.com> <5ac533d50812242034h3335eff6x784cdc0f67008473@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1230194040.3233.1.camel@F10Lap1.homenet.local> Am Donnerstag, den 25.12.2008, 10:04 +0530 schrieb Arnav Kalra: > Susmit merry christmas , a happy new year and a happy release term. > > arnav kalra (fedora inside) > ^^ Also merry Christmas to Arnav and also a happy to year to Arnav .... and nobody else! Gerold > > > On Wed, Dec 24, 2008 at 9:15 PM, Rashadul Islam > wrote: > Congratulations to u all. It would be a great year for all the > fellow > ambassadors. > > > > On 12/24/08, Rashadul Islam wrote: > > Congratulations to u all. It would be a great year for all > the fellow > > ambassadors. > > > > On 12/24/08, Dipanjan Chakraborty > wrote: > >> 2008/12/24 Shambo Bose > >> > >>> > >>> > >>> 2008/12/22 gopal das > >>> > >>> > >>>> > >>>> On Sun, Dec 21, 2008 at 8:51 PM, Francesco Ugolini < > >>>> fugolini at fedoraproject.org> wrote: > >>>> > >>>>> It's my pleasure to announce the election result for > FAmSCo. > >>>>> > >>>>> Here the communication made by Nigel Jones, the > Elections > >>>>> Administrator, with the election result: > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > >>>>> > >>>>> Election Results for FAmSCo - Fedora 11 Cycle > >>>>> > >>>>> Voting Period: 07 December 2008 00:00:00 UTC to 20 > December 23:59:59 > >>>>> UTC > >>>>> > >>>>> Nominations: > >>>>> > >>>>> * David Nalley (ke4qqq) > >>>>> * Francesco Ugolini (fugolini) > >>>>> * Hector Gonzalez (hagr182) > >>>>> * Joerg Simon (kital) > >>>>> * Larry Cafiero (lcafiero) > >>>>> * Max Spevack (spevack) > >>>>> * Rodrigo Padula (RodrigoPadula) > >>>>> * Sandro Mathys (red_alert) > >>>>> * Susmit Shannigrahi (susmit) > >>>>> * Thomas Canniot (MrTom) > >>>>> > >>>>> Outcomes: > >>>>> > >>>>> As defined in the election text, the seven (7) > candidate(s) with the > >>>>> greatest number of votes will be elected for full 2 > release term. > >>>>> > >>>>> Information: > >>>>> > >>>>> At close of voting there were: > >>>>> 126 valid ballots > >>>>> > >>>>> Using the Fedora Range Voting method, each candidate > could attain a > >>>>> maximum of 1260 votes (10*126). > >>>>> > >>>>> Results: > >>>>> > >>>>> 1. Max Spevack (spevack) 917 > >>>>> 2. Joerg Simon (kital) 695 > >>>>> 3. Francesco Ugolini (fugolini) 684 > >>>>> 4. Thomas Canniot (MrTom) 561 > >>>>> 5. Rodrigo Padula (RodrigoPadula) 548 > >>>>> 6. David Nalley (ke4qqq) 487 > >>>>> 7. Susmit Shannigrahi (susmit) 442 > >>>>> ***** > >>>>> 8. Sandro Mathys (red_alert) 356 > >>>>> 9. Larry Cafiero (lcafiero) 346 > >>>>> 10. Hector Gonzalez (hagr182) 252 > >>>>> > >>>>> As such, Max Spevack, Joerg Simon, Francesco Ugolini, > Thomas Canniot, > >>>>> Rodrigo Padula, David Nalley and Susmit Shannigrahi are > elected to > >>>>> FAmSCo for a full 2 relase term. > >>>>> > >>>>> Signed, > >>>>> > >>>>> Nigel Jones > >>>>> Elections Administrator > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > >>>>> > >>>>> Congratulation to all the winners and big thanks to all > the > >>>>> partecipants of this amazing race: your name, along with > your ideas, > >>>>> will help next FAmSCo and Ambassadors Project having a > better future! > >>>>> > >>>>> Many thanks to Nigel for his precious work and to > whoever helped > >>>>> organizing this election. > >>>>> > >>>>> Best regards > >>>>> > >>>>> on behalf of former FAmSCo > >>>>> Francesco Ugolini > >>>>> > >>>>> -- > >>>>> Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > >>>>> Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > >>>>> > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > >>>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> Hi, > >>>> > >>>> Congratulation to all who have selected. Congratulation > to Susmit. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> Cheers > >>>> -- > >>>> Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > >>>> Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > >>>> > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > >>>> > >>>> > >>> Hi, > >>> > >>> Congrats to all selected candidates , especially to > Susmit . > >>> Merry Christmas. > >>> > >>> regards, > >>> > >>> Shambo Bose > >>> > >>> > >>> -- > >>> Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > >>> Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > >>> > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > >>> > >>> > >> Congrats to all elected. Many congratulations to Susmit Da. > Have a very > >> nice > >> time. > >> > >> -- > >> Yours sincerely, > >> Dipanjan Chakraborty > >> > > > > > > -- > > Rashadul Islam > > ---------------------- > > Fedora Ambassador > > Canada/Montreal > > GPG Key 5557BFAC > > Finger Print 3869 732D FC43 92B4 2805 85DD C072 0238 4C74 > 3A69 > > > > > -- > Rashadul Islam > ---------------------- > Fedora Ambassador > Canada/Montreal > GPG Key 5557BFAC > Finger Print 3869 732D FC43 92B4 2805 85DD C072 0238 4C74 3A69 > > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > > > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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In this > loveliest of seasons may you find many reasons for happiness. > > Personally I wish every one of you a wonderfull christmas time and a > more wonderfull "Happy New Year 2009". > > Friendly yours from Germany > > Germany > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rdsharma4u at gmail.com Thu Dec 25 09:27:34 2008 From: rdsharma4u at gmail.com (Ravi D. Sharma) Date: Thu, 25 Dec 2008 14:57:34 +0530 Subject: [Ambassadors] Christmas time ... In-Reply-To: <4953509E.6090207@fedoraproject.org> References: <1230194657.3233.4.camel@F10Lap1.homenet.local> <4953509E.6090207@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: Hi guys Merry christmas to fedora family, regards, 2008/12/25 Souleyman DOUAR > Hi guys, > > My best wishes for you and your familly > I hoppe 2009 will be great year for you > > Souleyman > French fedora ambassador > > > Gerold Kassube a ?crit : > > To all Ambassadors, > > Let the spirit of love gently fill our hearts and homes. In this > loveliest of seasons may you find many reasons for happiness. > > Personally I wish every one of you a wonderfull christmas time and a > more wonderfull "Happy New Year 2009". > > Friendly yours from Germany > > Germany > > > > ------------------------------ > > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing listFedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.comhttps://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > > > > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > > -- R.D. Sharma --------------------------------------------- Lecturer, Bioinformatics, Department of Microbiology C.C.S. University,Meerut,India ----------------------------------------------- -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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In this > > loveliest of seasons may you find many reasons for happiness. > > > > Personally I wish every one of you a wonderfull christmas time and a > > more wonderfull "Happy New Year 2009". > > > > Friendly yours from Germany > > > > Germany > > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > > > > -- > > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > > > > > > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > > > > > -- > R.D. Sharma > --------------------------------------------- > Lecturer, Bioinformatics, > Department of Microbiology > C.C.S. University,Meerut,India > ----------------------------------------------- > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list -- -------------------------- Pierros Papadeas PGP key: 0x6130DBF8 liknus @ GRnet , Freenode -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 197 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From suyash.kmr at gmail.com Thu Dec 25 09:52:31 2008 From: suyash.kmr at gmail.com (S.K.) Date: Thu, 25 Dec 2008 15:22:31 +0530 Subject: [Ambassadors] Christmas time ... In-Reply-To: <1230198384.3120.1.camel@morpheus.mygroup> References: <1230194657.3233.4.camel@F10Lap1.homenet.local> <4953509E.6090207@fedoraproject.org> <1230198384.3120.1.camel@morpheus.mygroup> Message-ID: Merry Christmas everyone. Have a lovely day.Suyash Kumar Indian Fedora Ambassador 2008/12/25 Papadeas Pierros > Merry Christmas and a Happy New (Productive and Creating) Year for > Fedora! > > best regards, > > From the Greek Ambassadors > > On Thu, 2008-12-25 at 14:57 +0530, Ravi D. Sharma wrote: > > Hi guys > > > > > > Merry christmas to fedora family, > > > > > > regards, > > > > 2008/12/25 Souleyman DOUAR > > Hi guys, > > > > My best wishes for you and your familly > > I hoppe 2009 will be great year for you > > > > Souleyman > > French fedora ambassador > > > > > > Gerold Kassube a ?crit : > > > > > > To all Ambassadors, > > > > > > Let the spirit of love gently fill our hearts and homes. In > this > > > loveliest of seasons may you find many reasons for happiness. > > > > > > Personally I wish every one of you a wonderfull christmas time > and a > > > more wonderfull "Happy New Year 2009". > > > > > > Friendly yours from Germany > > > > > > Germany > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > > > > > > -- > > > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > > > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > > > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > > > > > > > > > > -- > > R.D. Sharma > > --------------------------------------------- > > Lecturer, Bioinformatics, > > Department of Microbiology > > C.C.S. 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In-Reply-To: References: <1230194657.3233.4.camel@F10Lap1.homenet.local> <4953509E.6090207@fedoraproject.org> <1230198384.3120.1.camel@morpheus.mygroup> Message-ID: <8E4FFC22-F545-4AA3-9A3F-4C8D6F2FB58F@orange.fr> Merry Christmas and Happy New Year from the French Community Armelk Le 25 d?c. 08 ? 10:52, "S.K." a ?crit : > Merry Christmas everyone. Have a lovely day. > Suyash Kumar > Indian Fedora Ambassador > > 2008/12/25 Papadeas Pierros > Merry Christmas and a Happy New (Productive and Creating) Year for > Fedora! > > best regards, > > >From the Greek Ambassadors > > On Thu, 2008-12-25 at 14:57 +0530, Ravi D. Sharma wrote: > > Hi guys > > > > > > Merry christmas to fedora family, > > > > > > regards, > > > > 2008/12/25 Souleyman DOUAR > > Hi guys, > > > > My best wishes for you and your familly > > I hoppe 2009 will be great year for you > > > > Souleyman > > French fedora ambassador > > > > > > Gerold Kassube a ?crit : > > > > > > To all Ambassadors, > > > > > > Let the spirit of love gently fill our hearts and homes. > In this > > > loveliest of seasons may you find many reasons for > happiness. > > > > > > Personally I wish every one of you a wonderfull > christmas time and a > > > more wonderfull "Happy New Year 2009". > > > > > > Friendly yours from Germany > > > > > > Germany > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > > > > > > -- > > > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > > > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > > > > > > > > > > -- > > R.D. 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Admin (CEFETCE/UAB)) Date: Thu, 25 Dec 2008 08:14:13 -0300 Subject: [Ambassadors] Christmas time ... In-Reply-To: <8E4FFC22-F545-4AA3-9A3F-4C8D6F2FB58F@orange.fr> References: <1230194657.3233.4.camel@F10Lap1.homenet.local> <4953509E.6090207@fedoraproject.org> <1230198384.3120.1.camel@morpheus.mygroup> <8E4FFC22-F545-4AA3-9A3F-4C8D6F2FB58F@orange.fr> Message-ID: Happy Holidays for you all ! :) 2008/12/25 Armel Kermorvant > Merry Christmas and Happy New Year from the French Community > > Armelk > > Le 25 d?c. 08 ? 10:52, "S.K." a ?crit : > > Merry Christmas everyone. Have a lovely day.Suyash Kumar > Indian Fedora Ambassador > > 2008/12/25 Papadeas Pierros < ppapadeas at gmail.com> > >> Merry Christmas and a Happy New (Productive and Creating) Year for >> Fedora! >> >> best regards, >> >> >From the Greek Ambassadors >> >> On Thu, 2008-12-25 at 14:57 +0530, Ravi D. Sharma wrote: >> > Hi guys >> > >> > >> > Merry christmas to fedora family, >> > >> > >> > regards, >> > >> > 2008/12/25 Souleyman DOUAR < >> souley at fedoraproject.org> >> > Hi guys, >> > >> > My best wishes for you and your familly >> > I hoppe 2009 will be great year for you >> > >> > Souleyman >> > French fedora ambassador >> > >> > >> > Gerold Kassube a ?crit : >> > > >> > > To all Ambassadors, >> > > >> > > Let the spirit of love gently fill our hearts and homes. In >> this >> > > loveliest of seasons may you find many reasons for happiness. >> > > >> > > Personally I wish every one of you a wonderfull christmas time >> and a >> > > more wonderfull "Happy New Year 2009". >> > > >> > > Friendly yours from Germany >> > > >> > > Germany >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > ____________________________________________________________ >> > > >> > > -- >> > > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list >> > > >> Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com >> > > >> >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list >> > > >> > >> > >> > >> > -- >> > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list >> > >> Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com >> > >> >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > -- >> > R.D. Sharma >> > --------------------------------------------- >> > Lecturer, Bioinformatics, >> > Department of Microbiology >> > C.C.S. University,Meerut,India >> > ----------------------------------------------- >> > -- >> > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list >> > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com >> > >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list >> -- >> -------------------------- >> Pierros Papadeas >> PGP key: 0x6130DBF8 >> < ppapadeas at gmail.com> >> liknus @ GRnet , Freenode >> >> -- >> Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list >> Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com >> >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list >> >> > > > -- > S.K. > > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by *MailScanner* , and is > believed to be clean. > > :::: CONTRIBUA COM O MEIO AMBIENTE. 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And Merry Christmas and happy new year to you all. :) -- Regards, Susmit. ============================================= ssh 0x86DD170A http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/user:susmit ============================================= From jmbabich at gmail.com Thu Dec 25 16:11:15 2008 From: jmbabich at gmail.com (John Babich) Date: Thu, 25 Dec 2008 19:11:15 +0300 Subject: [Ambassadors] Christmas time ... In-Reply-To: References: <1230194657.3233.4.camel@F10Lap1.homenet.local> <4953509E.6090207@fedoraproject.org> <1230198384.3120.1.camel@morpheus.mygroup> <8E4FFC22-F545-4AA3-9A3F-4C8D6F2FB58F@orange.fr> Message-ID: <9d2c731f0812250811o28bc1ce2g936136a1be45237d@mail.gmail.com> Ambassadors: Brazilian Portuguese:Festas e Feliz Ano Novo English: Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year French: Joyeux Noel German: Froehliche Weihnachten und ein glueckliches Neues Jahr Greek: Kala Christouyenna! Spanish: Feliz Navidad and to everyone: Esperanto: Gajan Kristnaskon :-) John Babich Volunteer, Fedora Project On 12/25/08, Lucas - Linux Sys. Admin (CEFETCE/UAB) wrote: > Happy Holidays for you all ! :) > > 2008/12/25 Armel Kermorvant > >> Merry Christmas and Happy New Year from the French Community >> >> Armelk >> >> Le 25 d?c. 08 ? 10:52, "S.K." a ?crit : >> >> Merry Christmas everyone. Have a lovely day.Suyash Kumar >> Indian Fedora Ambassador >> >> 2008/12/25 Papadeas Pierros < ppapadeas at gmail.com> >> >>> Merry Christmas and a Happy New (Productive and Creating) Year for >>> Fedora! >>> >>> best regards, >>> >>> >From the Greek Ambassadors >>> >>> On Thu, 2008-12-25 at 14:57 +0530, Ravi D. Sharma wrote: >>> > Hi guys >>> > >>> > >>> > Merry christmas to fedora family, >>> > >>> > >>> > regards, >>> > >>> > 2008/12/25 Souleyman DOUAR < >>> souley at fedoraproject.org> >>> > Hi guys, >>> > >>> > My best wishes for you and your familly >>> > I hoppe 2009 will be great year for you >>> > >>> > Souleyman >>> > French fedora ambassador >>> > >>> > >>> > Gerold Kassube a ?crit : >>> > > >>> > > To all Ambassadors, >>> > > >>> > > Let the spirit of love gently fill our hearts and homes. In >>> this >>> > > loveliest of seasons may you find many reasons for happiness. >>> > > >>> > > Personally I wish every one of you a wonderfull christmas >>> > time >>> and a >>> > > more wonderfull "Happy New Year 2009". >>> > > >>> > > Friendly yours from Germany >>> > > >>> > > Germany >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > ____________________________________________________________ >>> > > >>> > > -- >>> > > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list >>> > > >>> Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com >>> > > >>> >>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list >>> > > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > -- >>> > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list >>> > >>> Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com >>> > >>> >>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > -- >>> > R.D. Sharma >>> > --------------------------------------------- >>> > Lecturer, Bioinformatics, >>> > Department of Microbiology >>> > C.C.S. University,Meerut,India >>> > ----------------------------------------------- >>> > -- >>> > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list >>> > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com >>> > >>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list >>> -- >>> -------------------------- >>> Pierros Papadeas >>> PGP key: 0x6130DBF8 >>> < ppapadeas at gmail.com> >>> liknus @ GRnet , Freenode >>> >>> -- >>> Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list >>> Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com >>> >>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> S.K. >> >> -- >> Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list >> Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list >> >> >> -- >> This message has been scanned for viruses and >> dangerous content by *MailScanner* , and is >> believed to be clean. >> >> :::: CONTRIBUA COM O MEIO AMBIENTE. N?O IMPRIMA ESTA MENSAGEM ::::: >> >> -- >> Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list >> Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list >> >> > > > -- > -- > Atenciosamente, > Lucas do Amaral > CEFET-CE - UAB-CE. > Linux System Administrator Trainee > Fedora Ambassador & Fedora Translator > From ppapadeas at gmail.com Thu Dec 25 23:01:58 2008 From: ppapadeas at gmail.com (Papadeas Pierros) Date: Fri, 26 Dec 2008 01:01:58 +0200 Subject: [Ambassadors] Fedora USB Stick kit Message-ID: <1230246118.5122.73.camel@morpheus.mygroup> Hi folks! It would be nice if we could have a more organized approach on the Fedora USB creation stick. There is a view on it [1] which is pretty well done, but we (Kostas Antonakoglou and I) thought we could give it a second shot. So we created a wiki page on it [2]. We need some help on the creation of the Live DVD for it. Anyone interested may contact me. Hope this idea grows up and ends up to the creation of at least one USB Stick Kit for every region (EMEA, NA , APAC, LATAM) or even more preferably the integration of the kit to the regional Event Box. If we manage to create the the Kit by February we could turn up in FOSDEM2009 with it :) ~? [1] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FedoraEvents/LinuxDay/LinuxDay2008#Fedora_USB_Stick_kit [2] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/USBStickCreationKit -- Pierros Papadeas PGP key: 0x6130DBF8 liknus @ GRnet , Freenode -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I believe the admission price is 50% off (normal price is $60) for those who help at the booth, and possibly for every Fedora contributor (more info to come on this later). This year looks to be an even greater year for Fedora, with a big movement of Ambassadors in North America, SCaLE promises to be a big success for us again. The booth this year is again looking for volunteers and we need to fill the three days from 9am to 5pm, so if you are interested in helping, let us know by signing up at the SCALE7x wiki page[2]. In addition, I'd like to see some new banners to put into the Fedora EventBox[3] and some posters for the four f's (this is indeed our new mantra) as well. I know this art is already created, we just need to get it in place. Thus, I suggest we update the EventBox(en) out there with these materials ASAP. I've seen discussion of this in IRC and mailing lists. If you know anything about this, please respond here with that information as well. I look forward to a very successful year of Fedora Events, starting with SCaLE 7x. Cheers, Clint 1 - https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FedoraEvents/SCALE/SCALE6X 2 - https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SCALE7X_Event 3 - https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/EventBox/NA/West From jsimon at fedoraproject.org Fri Dec 26 17:51:37 2008 From: jsimon at fedoraproject.org (JoergSimon) Date: Fri, 26 Dec 2008 18:51:37 +0100 Subject: [Ambassadors] Fedora Ambassadors Welcome Message-ID: <200812261851.37856.jsimon@fedoraproject.org> Dear Ambassadors, let?s welcome our new sponsored Ambassador Group Members: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Willygarcia from La Pampa, Argentina https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Obarrios from La Serena, Chile https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Jscharff2 from New Jersey, USA Regards Joerg p.s. Please do not send private "Welcome" Messages to Ambassador List -- Joerg (kital) Simon jsimon at fedoraproject.org http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/JoergSimon http://kitall.blogspot.com Key Fingerprint: 3691 0989 2DCA 58A2 8D1F 2CAC C823 558E 5B5B 5688 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part. URL: From nacross at gmail.com Fri Dec 26 18:01:51 2008 From: nacross at gmail.com (Neville A. Cross) Date: Fri, 26 Dec 2008 12:01:51 -0600 Subject: [Ambassadors] Fedora Ambassadors Welcome In-Reply-To: <200812261851.37856.jsimon@fedoraproject.org> References: <200812261851.37856.jsimon@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: 2008/12/26 JoergSimon : > Dear Ambassadors, > > let?s welcome our new sponsored Ambassador Group Members: > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Willygarcia from La Pampa, Argentina > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Obarrios from La Serena, Chile > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Jscharff2 from New Jersey, USA > I am always happy to see the number of fedora ambassadors growing. So I want to extend a warm welcome to Jonathan Scharff. But as a Latin Amaerican ambassador I am more proud to see Latino newcomers. My welcome greetings are bigger for Willy from Argentina and Oscar from Chile. Best regards and happy new year! -- Neville https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Yn1v Linux User # 473217 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Check: http://www.clickmanagua.com - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - From inode0 at gmail.com Sat Dec 27 01:46:27 2008 From: inode0 at gmail.com (inode0) Date: Fri, 26 Dec 2008 19:46:27 -0600 Subject: [Ambassadors] Community Management Literature? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Mon, Nov 24, 2008 at 7:10 AM, Max Spevack wrote: > On Sun, 23 Nov 2008, inode0 wrote: > >> I am wondering if our community leaders (Paul, Max, Greg, anyone else) >> might have one or two books they recommend that bear in important ways on >> community management that might be of interest to ambassadors? Please share >> if you do as I need some winter reading. > > The Starfish and the Spider. Everyone should read it. Hi Max, I found this under the tree yesterday and couldn't put it down today. Hardly a page went by without finding myself thinking about how this applies to Fedora, Red Hat, and the organization I spend my days working for. I imagine you have spent some time thinking about how these ideas are expressed in both Fedora and Red Hat individually and perhaps in a sense combined as well. I'm really very curious about how you view the Fedora project within this framework? In particular, do you view Fedora as a hybrid organization? Whether you care to answer those questions or not thank you very much for recommending this thought provoking, entertaining book. And by all means feel free to recommend others. John From willy_garcia at yahoo.com Sat Dec 27 12:09:30 2008 From: willy_garcia at yahoo.com (Willy Garcia) Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2008 10:09:30 -0200 (ARST) Subject: [Ambassadors] Fedora Ambassadors Welcome In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <556535.67994.qm@web31907.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Thanks a lot, Neville! As a Latinoamericano, I will work very hard to Fedora's growing. Argentina needs much more Fedora, I am sure. It's good, we share the pride of being Latin American. Big Hug! Happy New Year 2009! Guillermo Garcia (AKA Willy Garcia) Analista de Sistemas (Univ. del Salvador) Yahoo! Cocina Recetas pr?cticas y comida saludable http://ar.mujer.yahoo.com/cocina/ From willy_garcia at yahoo.com Sat Dec 27 12:09:30 2008 From: willy_garcia at yahoo.com (Willy Garcia) Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2008 10:09:30 -0200 (ARST) Subject: [Ambassadors] Fedora Ambassadors Welcome In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <556535.67994.qm@web31907.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Thanks a lot, Neville! As a Latinoamericano, I will work very hard to Fedora's growing. Argentina needs much more Fedora, I am sure. It's good, we share the pride of being Latin American. Big Hug! Happy New Year 2009! Guillermo Garcia (AKA Willy Garcia) Analista de Sistemas (Univ. del Salvador) Yahoo! Cocina Recetas pr?cticas y comida saludable http://ar.mujer.yahoo.com/cocina/ From nacross at gmail.com Sat Dec 27 15:31:36 2008 From: nacross at gmail.com (Neville A. Cross) Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2008 09:31:36 -0600 Subject: [Ambassadors] Community Management Literature? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Fri, Dec 26, 2008 at 7:46 PM, inode0 wrote: > On Mon, Nov 24, 2008 at 7:10 AM, Max Spevack wrote: >> On Sun, 23 Nov 2008, inode0 wrote: >> >>> I am wondering if our community leaders (Paul, Max, Greg, anyone else) >>> might have one or two books they recommend that bear in important ways on >>> community management that might be of interest to ambassadors? Please share >>> if you do as I need some winter reading. >> >> The Starfish and the Spider. Everyone should read it. > > Hi Max, > > I found this under the tree yesterday and couldn't put it down today. > Hardly a page went by without finding myself thinking about how this > applies to Fedora, Red Hat, and the organization I spend my days > working for. > I am also wishing to thanks for the recomendation. I ordered when I saw the post. It put my brain to work how to improve the local fedora group and the local FOSS community. If some one have a book like this on knowledge management I will be apreciated any tip. Best regards and happy new year. -- Neville https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Yn1v Linux User # 473217 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Check: http://www.clickmanagua.com - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - From david at gnsa.us Sat Dec 27 19:27:49 2008 From: david at gnsa.us (David Nalley) Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2008 14:27:49 -0500 Subject: [Ambassadors] Community Management Literature? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Fri, Dec 26, 2008 at 8:46 PM, inode0 wrote: > On Mon, Nov 24, 2008 at 7:10 AM, Max Spevack wrote: >> On Sun, 23 Nov 2008, inode0 wrote: >> >>> I am wondering if our community leaders (Paul, Max, Greg, anyone else) >>> might have one or two books they recommend that bear in important ways on >>> community management that might be of interest to ambassadors? Please share >>> if you do as I need some winter reading. >> >> The Starfish and the Spider. Everyone should read it. > > Hi Max, > > I found this under the tree yesterday and couldn't put it down today. > Hardly a page went by without finding myself thinking about how this > applies to Fedora, Red Hat, and the organization I spend my days > working for. > > I imagine you have spent some time thinking about how these ideas are > expressed in both Fedora and Red Hat individually and perhaps in a > sense combined as well. I'm really very curious about how you view the > Fedora project within this framework? In particular, do you view > Fedora as a hybrid organization? > > Whether you care to answer those questions or not thank you very much > for recommending this thought provoking, entertaining book. And by all > means feel free to recommend others. > > John > > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > Like John I also recently found this book under the tree - and unfortunately I have only had time to get half way through it with all of the family things going on. That said I am astounded. This was a great book recommendation. (from Greg on his blog and Max in this thread). From herlo1 at gmail.com Sat Dec 27 20:39:13 2008 From: herlo1 at gmail.com (Clint Savage) Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2008 13:39:13 -0700 Subject: [Ambassadors] Fedora Media for North America Message-ID: As posted on my blog[0] today, I'd like to make the following announcement and provide information to help North American Ambassadors. The Fedora Live CDs arrived this past week, right in time for Christmas. They look great. (see http://herlo.fedorapeople.org/files/f10media/) If you are interested in obtaining some pressed media to distribute at an event or Local User Group (LUG), please make a request on the new FAmNA Resource Request tracker[1]. (A special thanks to Jon Stanley for setting this up.) Make sure to include the following information (at minimum): * Name and Address * The number of LiveCDs you'd like - Currently, we only have 32-bit LiveCDs. The order has been placed for 32-bit and 64-bit install media, delivery is expected around mid-January. When this media arrives, I will announce the availability. * A short explanation of your request and how it might promote Fedora * Phone Number (optional) * How you would like the shipped (Choose Ground unless you can justify faster shipping) * Your region (shown as component) - Do Not assign the task to anyone, it is automatically assigned to the correct person based upon region. In addition, you will likely get a 'TICKET_VIEW privileges are required to perform this operation' error. We do this because we are asking for mailing addresses and do not wish to share them with anyone else. Check your email, if you received a confirmation of the ticket, it has been filed and we'll address it as quickly as possible. If you are interested in who is getting your request, you may wish to head on over to the North America regional list[2]. If you are an Event Owner for Q4 2009, please do not send requests. Events are handled by the FedoraEvents[3] page. We are aware of the events and will coordinate with you individually. In addition, at the upcoming FUDCon[4], we'll be building an AmbassadorKit[5]. The AmbassadorKit is designed to be a small package delivered to any Fedora contributor who wishes to spread Fedora. The AmbassadorKit will include the following (at minimum): * Between 10 and 20 bits of Media (LiveCDs, DVDs) * A display box for holding media * One or Two Fedora t-shirts * A few sheets of Fedora Stickers * Fedora Buttons Other items can be included in the AmbassadorKit, such as: * Fedora Temporary Tattoos (while supplies last) * Fedora LiveUSBs (in the future, or if some sponsor would like to donate them hint hint) * Anything else you can think of that would be useful for promoting Fedora. Once the AmbassadorKits are designed and can easily be built and delivered, we will add them to the FAmNA Resource Request tracker so they can also be requested. I look forward to delivering massive amounts of media over the next few months to those who need it. Cheers, Clint 0 - http://sexysexypenguins.com 1 - https://fedorahosted.org/famnarequests/ 2 - https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/NA/Regions 3 - https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FedoraEvents 4 - https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FUDCon/FUDConF11 5 - https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/AmbassadorKit From jonstanley at gmail.com Sat Dec 27 21:50:25 2008 From: jonstanley at gmail.com (Jon Stanley) Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2008 16:50:25 -0500 Subject: [Ambassadors] Fedora Media for North America In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Sat, Dec 27, 2008 at 3:39 PM, Clint Savage wrote: > In addition, you will likely get a 'TICKET_VIEW privileges are > required to perform this operation' error. We do this because we are > asking for mailing addresses and do not wish to share them with anyone > else. Check your email, if you received a confirmation of the ticket, > it has been filed and we'll address it as quickly as possible. I'm happy to report that this is no longer the case with the successful implementation of http://trac-hacks.org/wiki/PrivateTicketsPlugin in this trac instance :) From mspevack at redhat.com Sun Dec 28 01:51:17 2008 From: mspevack at redhat.com (Max Spevack) Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2008 09:51:17 +0800 (HKT) Subject: [Ambassadors] Community Management Literature? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Fri, 26 Dec 2008, inode0 wrote: > I'm really very curious about how you view the Fedora project within > this framework? In particular, do you view Fedora as a hybrid > organization? I'm going to have to thumb through it again the next time I'm in Raleigh before I can say anything too intelligent, but my gut tells me that Fedora is definitely a hybrid-like organization. We try to push authority, accountability, and decision-making as far to the edges as possible, but there is still a bit of a hierarchy in terms of committees, and in some cases the people who are paid by RH to work on Fedora full time -- I think Fedora Infrastructure is the perfect hybrid example. Everyone is a leader and a doer, but Mike McGrath holds a "first among equals" kind of a role. It's been a long time since I flipped through this book and chatted about it w/ Greg. I might be getting terms wrong. I'll refresh my memory when I'm in Raleigh in January. I'm glad people are enjoying the book though! --Max From thomas.canniot at mrtomlinux.org Sun Dec 28 09:22:19 2008 From: thomas.canniot at mrtomlinux.org (Thomas Canniot) Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2008 10:22:19 +0100 Subject: [Ambassadors] REMINDER French Meeting today 1930UTC #fedora-meeting Message-ID: <20081228102219.27b83c8f@mrtomlinux.org> This mail is a reminder for today?s meeting for French ambassadors and _every_ interested people. 2008-12-28 / 19:30 UTC IRC: freenode #fedora-meeting Ce mail est un rappel pour la r?union des ambassadeurs francophones, qui aura lieu ce dimanche (28 d?c.) ? 20h30 heure de Paris sur IRC (freenode) #fedora-meeting . L'ordre du jour est disponible depuis cette page : http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/FrenchTeam/Reunions N'h?sitez pas ? le modifier pour rajouter des sujets qui vous semblent int?ressants. Thomas Canniot -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Each group should have a good join page in my opinion and our should be the example. I wonder if there is somewhere documented the new process besides the mailing list? And if not, should we take the time to improve the Join page? I think we should, but wanted to open the discussion to all Ambassadors to see others opinions. I look forward to hearing responses and suggestions over the next few days. Cheers, Clint https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/Join From herlo1 at gmail.com Sun Dec 28 17:40:02 2008 From: herlo1 at gmail.com (Clint Savage) Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2008 10:40:02 -0700 Subject: [Ambassadors] Re: The Ambassadors/Join page is incorrect In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Sun, Dec 28, 2008 at 10:24 AM, Clint Savage wrote: > Hi all, > > I was just reading the Ambassadors/Join page at > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/Join, which I believe is > the recommended way to get Ambassadors to join the Fedora Project. > Problem is, it's wrong, plain wrong. Per the messages a month or two > back from Francesco Ugolini and Joerg Simon, new ambassadors have a > very different process than what I was told. > > The problem with this is that we ambassadors are the first point of > contact with many who are wishing to be contributors to Fedora. I am > interested in mentoring these folks into the project and want to show > them a model for joining and getting involved. Each group should have > a good join page in my opinion and our should be the example. > > I wonder if there is somewhere documented the new process besides the > mailing list? And if not, should we take the time to improve the Join > page? I think we should, but wanted to open the discussion to all > Ambassadors to see others opinions. > > I look forward to hearing responses and suggestions over the next few days. > > Cheers, > > Clint > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/Join > Here is the link regarding the new process: https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-ambassadors-list/2008-September/msg00359.html Cheers, Clint From fugolini at fedoraproject.org Sun Dec 28 17:54:37 2008 From: fugolini at fedoraproject.org (Francesco Ugolini) Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2008 18:54:37 +0100 Subject: [Ambassadors] The Ambassadors/Join page is incorrect In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: There is a great wiki page done by Joerg Simon about the new procedures: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/MembershipService You are right maybe it's time to renew the [[Ambassadors/Join]] page. Is there any volunteer? Regrads Francesco Ugolini On Sun, Dec 28, 2008 at 6:24 PM, Clint Savage wrote: > Hi all, > > I was just reading the Ambassadors/Join page at > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/Join, which I believe is > the recommended way to get Ambassadors to join the Fedora Project. > Problem is, it's wrong, plain wrong. Per the messages a month or two > back from Francesco Ugolini and Joerg Simon, new ambassadors have a > very different process than what I was told. > > The problem with this is that we ambassadors are the first point of > contact with many who are wishing to be contributors to Fedora. I am > interested in mentoring these folks into the project and want to show > them a model for joining and getting involved. Each group should have > a good join page in my opinion and our should be the example. > > I wonder if there is somewhere documented the new process besides the > mailing list? And if not, should we take the time to improve the Join > page? I think we should, but wanted to open the discussion to all > Ambassadors to see others opinions. > > I look forward to hearing responses and suggestions over the next few days. > > Cheers, > > Clint > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/Join > > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > From linux at blogmethat.net Sun Dec 28 18:39:22 2008 From: linux at blogmethat.net (Andrew Jamison) Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2008 13:39:22 -0500 Subject: [Ambassadors] Questions (may not apply here) Message-ID: <1230489562.7973.12.camel@andrew-desktop> Hello, I was talking to some friends about Fedora and trying to use my new found position of ambassador to help convey my message about fedora. I ran into a question that I am sure is way over my head I told them i would attempt to find out and get back to them so here it is Can someone use Fedora Directory server to attach a local machine to the FAS system? That is to say can you login to your computer at home using your same login for the FAS. Now they asked this because they were used to a windows domain and thought this would allow them the experience of what a Linux based domain equivalent would be. Any ideas on how to explain this or links on where i can send them? Thanks, Andrew From gauravagrawal30 at gmail.com Mon Dec 29 04:29:25 2008 From: gauravagrawal30 at gmail.com (gaurav agrawal) Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2008 09:59:25 +0530 Subject: [Ambassadors] New year warm greetings Message-ID: <94c1b78f0812282029s6e7cfe6en8abf55ed70cc862a@mail.gmail.com> wishing entire fedora family a very happy and prosperous new year.... may this new year brings in us more capabilities and opportunities.... 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That is to say can you login to your computer at home > using your same login for the FAS. > > Now they asked this because they were used to a windows domain and > thought this would allow them the experience of what a Linux based > domain equivalent would be. > > Any ideas on how to explain this or links on where i can send them? Hi Andrew, The Fedora Infrastructure list (fedora-infrastructure-list at redhat.com) or #fedora-admin on freenode IRC would probably be the best place for you to get these answers. --Max From jsimon at fedoraproject.org Tue Dec 30 10:50:01 2008 From: jsimon at fedoraproject.org (JoergSimon) Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2008 11:50:01 +0100 Subject: [Ambassadors] The Ambassadors/Join page is incorrect In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200812301150.08300.jsimon@fedoraproject.org> Am Sonntag, 28. Dezember 2008 18:24:08 schrieb Clint Savage: > And if not, should we take the time to improve the Join > page? I think we should, but wanted to open the discussion to all > Ambassadors to see others opinions. Thanks herlo, you are right! We should change/improve it soon - i will make my proposal as soon as i am back from holidays. Arround 05 January 2009 - do think this is soon enough? CU Joerg -- Joerg (kital) Simon jsimon at fedoraproject.org http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/JoergSimon http://kitall.blogspot.com Key Fingerprint: 3691 0989 2DCA 58A2 8D1F 2CAC C823 558E 5B5B 5688 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part. 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Happy New Year, Max From mspevack at redhat.com Tue Dec 30 14:57:52 2008 From: mspevack at redhat.com (Max Spevack) Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2008 22:57:52 +0800 (HKT) Subject: [Ambassadors] The Ambassadors/Join page is incorrect In-Reply-To: <200812301150.08300.jsimon@fedoraproject.org> References: <200812301150.08300.jsimon@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: On Tue, 30 Dec 2008, JoergSimon wrote: > Thanks herlo, you are right! We should change/improve it soon - i will > make my proposal as soon as i am back from holidays. Arround 05 > January 2009 - do think this is soon enough? I think that making this a project for January is an excellent plan. --Max From josemanimala at gmail.com Tue Dec 30 14:03:19 2008 From: josemanimala at gmail.com (josemanimala at gmail.com) Date: 30 Dec 2008 14:03:19 -0000 Subject: [Ambassadors] Invitation from josemanimala@gmail.com Message-ID: <20081230140319.8383.qmail@jaagore.com> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From chakraborty.dipanjan at gmail.com Tue Dec 30 15:08:29 2008 From: chakraborty.dipanjan at gmail.com (Dipanjan Chakraborty) Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2008 20:38:29 +0530 Subject: [Ambassadors] Invitation from josemanimala@gmail.com In-Reply-To: <20081230140319.8383.qmail@jaagore.com> References: <20081230140319.8383.qmail@jaagore.com> Message-ID: 2008/12/30 > > > Hey, > > I've been awakened and I want you to be awake too. I realised how > important it is to vote and how simple it is now. Jaago re! One Billion > Votes has made it possible to register to vote online and it only takes five > minutes. > > Go to *www.jaagore.com*to learn more. > > If you're already registered to vote, you can still join the Jaago re! One > Billion Votes movement and be part of the awakening. > > Go to *www.jaagore.com > * for more information. > > Thanks, > > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > > Are you sure you wanted to post this here? -- Yours sincerely, Dipanjan Chakraborty -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From herlo1 at gmail.com Tue Dec 30 16:27:53 2008 From: herlo1 at gmail.com (Clint Savage) Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2008 09:27:53 -0700 Subject: [Ambassadors] The Ambassadors/Join page is incorrect In-Reply-To: References: <200812301150.08300.jsimon@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: On Tue, Dec 30, 2008 at 7:57 AM, Max Spevack wrote: > On Tue, 30 Dec 2008, JoergSimon wrote: > >> Thanks herlo, you are right! We should change/improve it soon - i will >> make my proposal as soon as i am back from holidays. Arround 05 January 2009 >> - do think this is soon enough? > > I think that making this a project for January is an excellent plan. > > --Max > > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > Works for me Joerg. I can likely help you around then as well. Cheers, Clint From herlo1 at gmail.com Tue Dec 30 17:47:52 2008 From: herlo1 at gmail.com (Clint Savage) Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2008 10:47:52 -0700 Subject: [Ambassadors] [Reminder] FAMNA Meeting @ 2008-12-30 9pm EST (6pm PST) Message-ID: This is a reminder for FAMNA Meeting 2008-12-30 9pm EST (6pm PST) irc.freenode.net #fedora-meeting (map) Just a quick reminder that we'll be holding our weekly meeting in #fedora-meeting (irc.freenode.net) tonight at 9pm ET (7pm PT) If you are interested in participating, or have something to contribute, feel free to add it to our agenda: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/Meetings/2008-12-30 See you all there. Clint From a.mani.cms at gmail.com Wed Dec 31 14:33:11 2008 From: a.mani.cms at gmail.com (Mani A) Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2008 20:03:11 +0530 Subject: [Ambassadors] Fedora 10 How To In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <78323d480812310633n50ff31c1o4f52e4ad3ea5a5e1@mail.gmail.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 2008/12/20 Diego Escobar wrote: > > Hi all: > > Now, it's avaible a little "how to" for Fedora 10 named "Aprende Fedora 10" > (Learning Fedora 10). This guide is designed for new Linux and Fedora user's > and its part of spread Fedora on Latam and spanish speakers people (its in > Spanish ;) ). Installation, productivity, instant messaging until > customization are convered on easy way. > > If you consider useful you can download it: > http://suservidorwp.googlepages.com/AprendeFedora10.pdf Nice work. Please try to use persistent internal links within the document. The image with partitions is just bad. ntfs--90+GB and / --20Gb. please use a better image with plenty of Linux partitions and bigger / (you can reduce the ntfs one to 9GB or just remove it). It sends the wrong messages. Best A. Mani -- A. Mani Member, Cal. Math. Soc -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFJW4RvoIK4BlImohYRArlaAJ9p73m2+ao0xQdgLiHm+GfFW4qHgwCdGawC xL6bpBdJC2Rp3BYzeuaTWoY= =65Hy -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From henriquecsj at gmail.com Wed Dec 31 14:40:13 2008 From: henriquecsj at gmail.com (Henrique Junior) Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2008 12:40:13 -0200 Subject: [Ambassadors] Fedora Brazil Magazine #4 released Message-ID: <4f629b520812310640t53aa4c81g883346ad03484ac0@mail.gmail.com> To end 2008 with a cherry on top, the Fedora Project is glad to announce the release of the 4th issue of Fedora Brazil Magazine. This issue brings a editorial written by Augusto Campos, who draws a retrospective review of Fedora's 5 years and he presents a picture of how it changed the Linux Distributions ecosystem after Fedora's first release announcement. Furthermore, the magazine displays a special approach to the brand new Fedora 10, presenting it in a clearly and simply way all new features and changes of this new release. Enjoy yourself and take part of Fedora Brazil Magazine's promotion and compete for a copy of the book "*Java ? Fundamentos, pr?tica & certifica??o*", by Adilson Bonanovisk. Shell script classes continues. There is also a stroll through SELinux mysteries, headshots in Urban Terror game and an unfailing walkthrough to build your own Fedora up. And there's a lot more, 66 pages where variety won't be a problem. Happy new year and do not forget to download the magazine in the link below: http://www.projetofedora.org/revista/RevistaFedoraBrasil004.pdf P.S.: Scribus source in the beginning of January. -- Henrique "LonelySpooky" Junior http://www.lonelyspooky.com ------------------------------------------------------------- "In a world without walls and fences, who needs windows and gates?!" -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From vfernandezg at gmail.com Wed Dec 31 15:27:28 2008 From: vfernandezg at gmail.com (Victor Fernandez) Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2008 16:27:28 +0100 Subject: [Ambassadors] Fedora Brazil Magazine #4 released In-Reply-To: <4f629b520812310640t53aa4c81g883346ad03484ac0@mail.gmail.com> References: <4f629b520812310640t53aa4c81g883346ad03484ac0@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <23edaffd0812310727t1ea2053do257c535091f2f9a@mail.gmail.com> Real good my friends ! This guys Rocks ;-) Regards. 2008/12/31 Henrique Junior > To end 2008 with a cherry on top, the Fedora Project is glad to announce > the release of the 4th issue of Fedora Brazil Magazine. This issue brings > a editorial written by Augusto Campos, who draws a retrospective review of > Fedora's 5 years and he presents a picture of how it changed the Linux > Distributions ecosystem after Fedora's first release announcement. > Furthermore, the magazine displays a special approach to the brand new > Fedora 10, presenting it in a clearly and simply way all new features and > changes of this new release. Enjoy yourself and take part of Fedora Brazil > Magazine's promotion and compete for a copy of the book "*Java ? > Fundamentos, pr?tica & certifica??o*", by Adilson Bonanovisk. > > Shell script classes continues. There is also a stroll through SELinux > mysteries, headshots in Urban Terror game and an unfailing walkthrough to > build your own Fedora up. And there's a lot more, 66 pages where variety > won't be a problem. > > Happy new year and do not forget to download the magazine in the link > below: > > http://www.projetofedora.org/revista/RevistaFedoraBrasil004.pdf > > P.S.: Scribus source in the beginning of January. > > > -- > Henrique "LonelySpooky" Junior > http://www.lonelyspooky.com > ------------------------------------------------------------- > "In a world without walls and fences, who needs windows and gates?!" > > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > > -- Victor M. Fernandez http://vfernandezg.blogspot.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From josemanimala at gmail.com Wed Dec 31 18:14:38 2008 From: josemanimala at gmail.com (jose manimala) Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2008 23:44:38 +0530 Subject: [Ambassadors] Applologies Message-ID: <53a863600812311014n5392c58cwf10b287ebfecd09c@mail.gmail.com> Hello everyone, I am really sorry about that forward. The website imported my entire addressbook. It will not happen again. I deeply regret my mistake. Sorry again regards -- Jose M Manimala Ph: +919790824111 http://www.jmmblog.in.eu.org GPGkeyID: F5DD9656 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From josemanimala at gmail.com Wed Dec 31 18:16:34 2008 From: josemanimala at gmail.com (jose manimala) Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2008 23:46:34 +0530 Subject: [Ambassadors] Sorry Message-ID: <53a863600812311016p756cdb0w62f610167212cb0e@mail.gmail.com> Hi everyone, I am really sorry about the accidental forward. I apologize for my mistake sorry again. 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The website imported my entire address > book and I didnt know that every email address I ever used was included in > it. > > regards > > -- > Jose M Manimala > Ph: +919790824111 > http://www.jmmblog.in.eu.org > GPGkeyID: F5DD9656 > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > > Its ok, I had fallen into the same trap once upon a time. :) -- Yours sincerely, Dipanjan Chakraborty -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From santosh at fedoraproject.org Wed Dec 31 18:29:50 2008 From: santosh at fedoraproject.org (Santosh Kumar) Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2008 12:29:50 -0600 Subject: [Ambassadors] Fedora 10 How To In-Reply-To: <78323d480812310633n50ff31c1o4f52e4ad3ea5a5e1@mail.gmail.com> References: <78323d480812310633n50ff31c1o4f52e4ad3ea5a5e1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi all I'd love to work on the translation. Does anyone have any objections? Santosh https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Santosh On Wed, Dec 31, 2008 at 8:33 AM, Mani A wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > > > 2008/12/20 Diego Escobar wrote: > > > > > Hi all: > > > > Now, it's avaible a little "how to" for Fedora 10 named "Aprende Fedora > 10" > > (Learning Fedora 10). This guide is designed for new Linux and Fedora > user's > > and its part of spread Fedora on Latam and spanish speakers people (its > in > > Spanish ;) ). Installation, productivity, instant messaging until > > customization are convered on easy way. > > > > If you consider useful you can download it: > > http://suservidorwp.googlepages.com/AprendeFedora10.pdf > > Nice work. > > Please try to use persistent internal links within the document. > > The image with partitions is just bad. ntfs--90+GB and / --20Gb. > please use a better image with plenty of Linux partitions and bigger / > (you can reduce the ntfs one to 9GB or just remove it). It sends the > wrong messages. > > Best > > A. Mani > > > -- > A. Mani > Member, Cal. Math. Soc > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) > > iD8DBQFJW4RvoIK4BlImohYRArlaAJ9p73m2+ao0xQdgLiHm+GfFW4qHgwCdGawC > xL6bpBdJC2Rp3BYzeuaTWoY= > =65Hy > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > -- Santosh Kumar **************** CAUTION - Disclaimer ************ This e-mail contains PRIVILEGED AND CONFIDENTIAL INFORMATION intended solely for the use of the addressee(s). If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender by e-mail and delete the original message. Further, you are not to copy, disclose, or distribute this e-mail or its contents to any other person and any such actions are unlawful. This e-mail may contain viruses. 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