[Ambassadors] DVD Media for North America

David Nalley david at gnsa.us
Thu Dec 18 14:49:32 UTC 2008


On Thu, Dec 18, 2008 at 9:43 AM, Clint Savage <herlo1 at gmail.com> wrote:
> On Thu, Dec 18, 2008 at 4:58 AM, David Nalley <david at gnsa.us> wrote:
>> On Thu, Dec 18, 2008 at 12:11 AM, Clint Savage <herlo1 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> So I anticipated this somewhat, but was hoping the prices were a bit
>>> closer to the CD media.  It turns out the media company we chose for
>>> replicating CDs gave us a great price:
>>>
>>> Item                            Quantity       Price per Disc
>>> Total Price
>>>
>>> x86 Live CDs                3000             $.576                       $1728
>>>
>>> These discs are in production and are slated to arrive on my doorstep
>>> December 23.  (A discussion of distribution has already been had, so
>>> please don't address that here.)
>>>
>>> Unfortunately, and it makes total sense, the DVD media requires more
>>> components and such, so the pricing is a bit higher:
>>>
>>> x86 Install DVDs          3000            $.785                        $2355
>>> x86_64 Install DVDs    3000            $.785                        $2355
>>>
>>> Which brings us to the dilemma.  The budget we just finished at
>>> yesterday's meeting indicates that we wanted two runs of DVDs at
>>> $1800.  Had I been thinking about it, the costs should have been
>>> higher for DVDs over CDs, so I apologize for the at oversight.
>>> However, the dilemma still remains, thus we have some options.  I
>>> discussed some of this with folks in IRC this evening and here are the
>>> options I see possible.
>>>
>>> Option 1:  Produce Live CDs for x86_64 as well as a smaller run of x86
>>> Install DVDs (approximately $1800 worth)
>>> Option 2:  Produce smaller amounts of the installer DVDs (both x86 and
>>> x86_64), approximately 2300 could be produced at this price.  The
>>> price point might be higher, I've got an email into the media company
>>> asking this exact question.
>>> Option 3:  Produce more Live CDs of x86_64 and then add Live CDs for
>>> x86 (or respins if they are ready soon).  This would ignore the
>>> install DVDs totally, and isn't an unreasonable idea, but I'm not for
>>> this one.
>>>
>>> There are probably other options, combinations of these that I didn't
>>> list because of time/space.  If you think one of these are viable,
>>> let's talk about them over the next couple days.  I'd like to place
>>> the order on Friday before 5pm EST.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>>
>>> Clint
>>>
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>>
>> I am somewhat disappointed in timing of stuff in production. Given
>> that we handed over an ISO ~20th of November this means their time to
>> produce is going to be in excess of a month. In addition the date
>> keeps slipping. That said - I am not in favor of us ordering again
>> before we have the CDs in hand, esp. given their continued schedule
>> slips. Perhaps we can use that as leverage to get media sooner. Since
>> we have an additional 5 days I'd argue we should put the DVD order out
>> for bid, if for no other reason than to have pricing leverage and
>> other options should we not like the product. We already know we don't
>> like their timing.
>> What were their terms on delivery guarantee? (I thought it was 10 days
>> after we provided an ISO) Part of the reason that this is such a
>> concern from my perspective is that we a really short window - 6
>> months - that media is really able to be used. 23rd puts us almost 1
>> month past release. Another month waiting on DVDs (or 2 months given
>> that it's two different ISOs) puts us 1/3 or 1/2 way through the
>> cycle, which IMO is untenable. Perhaps we need to evaluate using some
>> of the 3600 money for on-demand delivery from Karlie and use the
>> balance for ordering what can be delivered.
>
> I guess some of this is my fault, and so I'll take the blame there.  I
> think we're in a learning process here with the media.  I don't feel
> one month out is all that bad, mainly because there are two, maybe
> three holidays in the way.  There were lots of discussions and
> adjustments to the schedule due to unforeseen issues.  For instance,
> the Art approval wasn't until Dec 10, which really only puts them 3
> days behind schedule.  It took me a couple extra days to get the art
> to them, after Thanksgiving if I remember correctly.

That makes me feel a bit better. No need to shoulder blame. That said
you are right about a learning experience - we should start
documenting timelines and when things need to be done. Such as getting
artwork sent and approved long before release (and before they have
the iso)




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