[Ambassadors] Ambassadors Meeting EMEA - IRC Log 2008-02-13

Fabian Affolter fab at fedoraproject.org
Wed Feb 13 21:54:26 UTC 2008

<fabian_a> let's have monthly Fedora Ambassadors Meeting for EMEA
<fabian_a> Please state your wiki name please (aka roll call).
<spevack> MaxSpevack
<red_alert> SandroMathys
<fcrippa> FrancescoCrippa
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<fabian_a> FabianAffolter
<red_alert> AndreasRau told me he regrets to not be able to be here
* spevack thought this meeting was every week.. it's only once a month?
<spevack> is GeroldKa here?
<fabian_a> yes, only once a month
<kital> JoergSimon <- late
<fabian_a> where are all the other ambassadors?
<fabian_a> are we going to cancel this meeting because we are only 5 people?
<kital> wait a view minutes
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<spevack> i have a few questions i'd like to ask, while we at least have 
a few people here.
<spevack> hi ChitleshGoorah!
<rsc> oh
<rsc> RobertScheck
<ChitleshGoorah> hai spevack
<ChitleshGoorah> ChitleshGoorah
<fabian_a> spevack: go a head
<rsc> fabian_a: there was no reminder AFAIK
<red_alert> if Andreas hadn't told me he's not attending the meeting 
like 40 minutes ago...I'd have missed it too :/
<fabian_a> rsc: there was a reminder on monday
<spevack> Well, I wanted to see if everything is ready for FOSDEM -- if 
there is anything else people need.
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* ChitleshGoorah now confirms his presence at FOSDEM :)
<rsc> fabian_a: between Monday and today were worlds for me, sorry.
<ChitleshGoorah> but stays only up to 12h on sunday
<spevack> And second, I wanted to know if there is a separate meeting 
for the LinuxTag planning, or if we talk about that here.
<rsc> spevack: it is likely, that a second real-life meeting for 
LinuxTag will bring more results - just FYI
<rsc> Gerold mentioned such a second meeting vaguely in the past
<rsc> (of course, we can talk about everything here as well)
<fabian_a> spevack, right now there is only the mailing list. there is 
no further meeting planned so far
<spevack> fabian_a: can I get added to that mailing list (mspevack at 
redhat.com) for LinuxTag planning?
<spevack> I placed an order last week for 1,000 Fedora stickers and 200 
Fedora tshirts... almost all of that will be for LinuxTag
<fabian_a> spevack, i will take care about that
<spevack> we will make more swag than that later, but I wanted to order 
this stuff early because we had some extra money.
<kital> !
<fabian_a> kital:
<kital> should we make a second RoleCall ? and start the meeting?
<fabian_a> sure
<kital> do it! eof
<fabian_a> please state your wiki name and start with the meeting
<fabian_a> once again
<kanarip> JeroenVanMeeuwen
<fabian_a> FabianAffolter
<kital> JoergSimon
<fcrippa> FrancescoCrippa
<ChitleshGoorah> ChitleshGoorah:
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<spevack> MaxSpevack
<red_alert> SandroMathys
<red_alert> as I said before, AndreasRau regrets to not be able to attend
<rsc> RobertScheck
<MrTom> ThomasCanniot
<fabian_a> Just the normal reminder. We'll still follow our meeting 
protocol to make this meeting quick and efficient. 
<tw2113> MichaelBeckwith
<fabian_a> open our meeting page at 
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/Meetings/2008-02-13 if you like
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<fabian_a> 1. Report current status of FAmSCo
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<fabian_a> fugolini is not present. skip this...
<fabian_a> next topic: Ambassadors Membership
<fabian_a> As of 2008-02-11, 305 Ambassadors have been verified (signed 
CLA and joined 'ambassadors' group)
<spevack> !
<fabian_a> spevack:
<ChitleshGoorah> !
<spevack> do we know how many of those 305 are new since last month? 
And do we know how many of those 305 are in EMEA specifically?
<spevack> eof
<fabian_a> i guess not but there are ways to register the new 
ambassadors every month
<spevack> i think that it is very important
<spevack> to not only have the *total* number of ambassadors
<spevack> but also to know the growth each month, and the regions where 
that growth is happening.
<spevack> That is the sort of data that is very useful to Fedora Board 
and Red Hat in securing budget for Ambassadors.
<fabian_a> they can separate by countries -> 
<kanarip> +1
<spevack> the time i spent in europe last year was very useful for this
<spevack> and we have more money for Ambassadors in general -- all over 
the world -- because we saw how strong Europe was, and we also know that 
South America is very strong.
<spevack> and now Greg and I will be focusing much more on those two 
regions in the coming year than in the past.
<spevack> So it will be up to the local groups -- and also FAMSCO -- to 
continue to provide folks like me with the data that we need to get budget.
<spevack> EOF -- sorry to ramble
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<kanarip> !
<fabian_a> i will collect this data. like for the fad 2007 at berlin
<fabian_a> ChitleshGoorah,
<ChitleshGoorah> talking about CLA, I have noticed some contributors 
(packagers mostly) are using fake names rather than real names. this is 
mostly a fedora advisory board issue, but its worth that everyone knows 
this issue so that we can little by little prevent such things: _eoc_
<valen1> is this the channel for EMEA meeting? sorry for being late...
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<valen1> tehnical issues because I'm not connecting from home
<spevack> valen1: this is the right place :)
<spevack> ChitleshGoorah: can you send a mail to f-a-b about that?  and 
then they can take care of it (hopefully).
<spevack> ChitleshGoorah: maybe give some examples.  Or if you want, 
send me the examples and I will write the mail to f-a-b
<ChitleshGoorah> when i'll have time i'll do it
<spevack> EOF
<fabian_a> thanks ChitleshGoorah
<valen1> I'm Croatian Ambassador, and this is my first contact in any 
official irc ambassadors channel.
<spevack> valen1: Welcome!  we are all happy to meet you!
<valen1> thank you
<fabian_a> valen1, please follow the protocol 
<fabian_a> are we done with Ambassadors Membership?
<kanarip> i had an outstanding !
<fabian_a> sorry, kanarip
<kanarip> i remember i had to update the countrylist manually when i 
joined the ambassadors, so that isn't representing the numbers exactly. 
I recall FAS has some information about the country for each FAS member 
so maybe we can check who is where in the 'ambassadors' group using 
that. EOF
<spevack> !
<fabian_a> spevack,
<spevack> In the past 2 days I have sent email to mike mcgrath and 
toshio asking if they can help pull data like this from the FAS.  I 
think that it is probably very easy for them.
* spevack cares a lot about statistics and metrics/
<spevack> EOF
<kanarip> +1, or "cool"
<fabian_a> anything else?
<fabian_a> next, please open Fedora Events 
<kital> !
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<fabian_a> let's start with Linux Solutions, MrTom perhaps
<fabian_a> kital,
<kital> Material& Material Tracker?
<MrTom> !
<kital> The Generic Poster we decided is designed and i will get Prints 
on Truckplane tomorrow so we can see how they will work
<kital> so we have that for now
<spevack> !
<kital> eof
<fabian_a> we have kicked the material tracker because there was only a 
little feedback about this during the last year
<fabian_a> spevack,
<spevack> MrTom was first... i yield to him
<fabian_a> then MrTom,
<MrTom> ok Solutions Linux was a great success. We had the chance to 
received the 100 live cds the first morning of the event directly on the 
booth, thanks to Gerold reactivity. All the DVDs were sold or given.
<spevack> ?
<MrTom> we also tried to have contact with Franz Meier, but he was too 
busy and we missed him.
<MrTom> eof
<fabian_a> spevack,
<spevack> two things
<spevack> first
<spevack> i want everyone here to understand something about budget
<spevack> at Red Hat
<spevack> March 1 is the date where we get new budget for the year.
<spevack> For europe, we have several ideas for this budget -- a few big 
shows like LinuxTag and FOSDEM, probably one big FUDCon somewhere in 
Europe, etc.
<spevack> But also we have budget -- about $12,000 per quarter, for the 
entire world -- for smaller shows.
<spevack> So I look at the FedoraEvents page
<spevack> and I realize that we didn't help with LinuxSolutions at all 
for budget.
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<spevack> but I want to fix problems like that in the future
<fcrippa> !
<spevack> so i just want you all to know -- we will have much more 
budget starting March 1, and now that I am not the overall Fedora Leader 
anymore, I am going to be focusing lots of my time on Ambassadors
<spevack> and events worldwide.
<spevack> as is Greg DeKoenigsberg
<spevack> second thing...
<spevack> MrTom did we sign up any new contributors at LinuxSolutions?
<spevack> I think it is very important that we try to help new 
contributors sign the CLA and get their Fedora account at shows.
<spevack> EOF
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<MrTom> !
<glezos> hi all, sorry I'm late -- was at work
<fabian_a> fcrippa,
<fabian_a> then MrTom,
<fcrippa> I've seen there's a "RedHat Partner Summit" in EMEA this year, 
very similar to RH Summit (usa) format
<fcrippa> do you think it could be possible to have a "fedora" space 
into this event?
<spevack> fcrippa: I think that Red Hat is planning *something* in 
Europe similar to the RH Summit in the USA.  And if/when that happens, 
we will try to have a Fedora event at the same time.
<valen1> +1 for helping contributos sing CLA
<fcrippa> eof
<spevack> fcrippa: we are having a FUDCon at the same time as the RH 
Summit in USA.
<spevack> And from now on, we will have a FUDCon at every RH Summit, 
anywhere in the world.
<fcrippa> http://www.europe.redhat.com/mktg/partnersummit/?sc_cid=547
<spevack> EOF
<MrTom> spevack, unfortunately no, most people come here to know what 
fedora is, get a cd,  and to make criticism (good or bad) of the distro, 
or to have a chat with us. eof
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<spevack> MrTom: ok.
<glezos> spevack: that's great news
<fabian_a> next event: Lolug Pillole at Lodi (formally "Fedora by Night")
<spevack> fcrippa: This is the first I have heard of the partner summit 
in your link... so i don't know if Fedora will be there.  But *after* 
that, we will definitely have Fedora at all major RH events in Europe 
(that is my plan)
<spevack> EOF
<fcrippa> spevack: +1
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<fabian_a> fcrippa, something about Lolug Pillole at Lodi
<fcrippa> ok
<fcrippa> Everything should be ready
<fcrippa> I've received dvds from spevack some weeks ago
<fabian_a> thanks fcrippa
<fcrippa> t-shirts and caps (20 items) from spriedshirt last week (with 
local "own" budget)
<fcrippa> and tomorrow I hope to have mairin posters printed
<spevack> !
<fcrippa> We've got al least 3 big online italian newspaper that report 
news about "fedora by night"
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<fcrippa> eof
<fabian_a> spevack,
<spevack> After March 1 when we have our new budget
<spevack> I will be happy to pay the costs of several sets of Mairin's 
posters to be made for the European ambassadors
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<spevack> so if fcrippa or kital are making them, i can pay you back in 
a few weeks.
<spevack> one question.
<spevack> are we translating the posters?
<spevack> or just english?
<spevack> EOF
<fcrippa> !
<rsc> !
* kital not - because i use it in Brussels Germany and Poland
<rsc> +1
<fabian_a> fcrippa
<fcrippa> just english
<fcrippa> in Italian they sound a bit strange...
<fcrippa> best results with english version
<fcrippa> eof
<red_alert> +1
<glezos> spevack: FWIW, I'll translate it for a local event.
<fabian_a> rsc,
<rsc> fabian_a: just the same as kital (and +1 as mentioned) EOF
<fabian_a> ok
<valen1> ?
<fabian_a> valen1,
<valen1> I have a question about budgeting. Does the budget cover some 
events that promote fedora but aren't shows?
<valen1> I have a project in mind that would get quite large media 
coverage in Croatian mainstream media and I would like to present it 
like Red Hat/Fedora sponsored event.
<spevack> !
<valen1> It would be localisation marathon - we would get 10-15 
contributors to work on translation of Fedora, Gnome and other projects 
to Croatia. That would be a great way of promoting Fedora as a 
distribution for education, local groverment, etc...
<valen1> I believe that this would be a really not expensive event. And 
we would also like to distribute fedora promo materials on this event 
that would be 2 days long. We could do this every month... and we 
believe that after 2-3 events we would get local companies to cover the 
<valen1> How does this sound to you?
<valen1> eof
<spevack> valen1: I think it sounds very, very interesting.  and I would 
think that glezos, who is our translation and localization king, could 
probably help you out.  I am happy to support an activity like that.
<spevack> I really need to do a longer presentation to all of you about 
our budget.
<spevack> But to explain it in 30 seconds:
<spevack> there is money set aside specifically for shows and events
<spevack> but there is also money set aside for localization, and for 
other opportunities that we can't forsee but that come up.
<spevack> valen1: for anything specific to the actual *work* around 
localization, i suggest you talk to glezos.  For any money needs, I am 
the guy to talk to.
<spevack> EOF
<glezos> !
<fabian_a> glezos,
<glezos> valen1: *any* help I can give, just yell. In fact, I'll come 
private now or a bit later to make sure you have everything you need.
<glezos> eof
<fabian_a> ok, next event
<fabian_a> FOSDEM 2008
<fabian_a> any news?
<glezos> wiki page: 
<glezos> !
<fabian_a> glezos,
<kital> !
<glezos> fabian_a: seems we'll be a big bunch of people, yay!
<fabian_a> we will :-)
<glezos> I have scheduled a meeting with the mediawiki guys to talk 
about localization, since we're thinking about having it as our wiki 
<glezos> And also I'd really like us to sit down and discuss 
localization, our tools, community around translations and *everything* 
around this issue.
<glezos> So I'll make sure to go around and find a slot of 1-2 hours to 
properly cover everything, so that I'll make sure you have what you need 
for getting the word out to any local group/language
<glezos> eof
<kanarip> hold on guys i gotta jump irc servers the one i'm connected to 
is going down for maintainance
* ChitleshGoorah now confirms his presence at FOSDEM :) but will return 
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<fabian_a> kital,
* kital will bring "older" OLPC from Max, will bring the Posters - and 
the Fedora Ambassador  Polos which are ordered and will arrive in time
<kital> eof
* spevack is trying to get some new OLPC in time for LinuxTag
* ChitleshGoorah will bring a KDE4 on a laptop + FEL applications :)
* glezos will bring a Tux poster 3m high :P
<fabian_a> anything else about FOSDEM?
<red_alert> !
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<fabian_a> red_alert,
<MrTom> !
<red_alert> I just got message from the linuxtag organizers...they'll 
attend FOSDEM (and some other european events in the next some weeks) 
too...maybe a good chance to clear some things in person where necessary
<red_alert> eof
<fabian_a> MrTom,
<MrTom> french people should normaly bring 100 Fedora badges, this is an 
exprimental order from us.
<MrTom> we don't know if we'll got them on time
<MrTom> eof
<fabian_a> thanks, MrTom and red_alert
<fabian_a> next event: Chemnitzer LinuxTage 2008
<kital> !
<fabian_a> kital,
<kital> Booth is allocated 
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<kanarip> !
<kital> special Poster generated http://jsimon.fedorapeople.org/clt2.pdf
* kital and rsc, JensKuehnel DanielKretzschmer are Ambassadors off duty
<kital> eof
* ChitleshGoorah motivates ambassadors to go to chemnitz, their social 
party is great :)
<fabian_a> thanks, kital
<fabian_a> next will be OpenExpo 2008 Berne
<spevack> !
<fabian_a> spevack,
<spevack> if either fabian_a or kital need some budget to help make your 
events more successful, I can give you that after March 1.  Let me know.
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<spevack> eof
<fabian_a> thanks, spevack. so far we have Live CDs from GeroldKa and 
some posters from last year. maybe a text-banner too
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<fabian_a> i want to discuss the rest during fosdem because kital is 
there, too
<fabian_a> next: LinuxTag
<fabian_a> there was a offline meeting at the begin of february
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<fabian_a> check out 
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FedoraEvents/LinuxTag/LinuxTag2008/FLTT if 
you want to help
<fabian_a> anything else about Fedora Events?
<glezos> (Thumbs-up for organizing stuff in the open, on the wiki!)
<spevack> !
<fabian_a> spevack,
<spevack> I have one quick question
<spevack> i notice that there are lots of EMEA events in Feb, Mar, Apr, May.
<spevack> After linux tag
<spevack> the EventsList for Europe drops off a lot
<spevack> are there no other events, or are they just not on the list yet?
<spevack> eof
<rsc> !
<fabian_a> rsc,
<rsc> AFAIK there are nearly less to no bigger events. Correct me, if 
I'm wrong.
<rsc> EOF
<kital> !
<fabian_a> kital,
<kital> Froscon, Frühjahrsfachgespräch are the only - i know
<kital> eof
<fabian_a> froscon is already on the list
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<fcrippa> !
<fabian_a> fcrippa,
<fcrippa> In Italy will be "Linux Day"
<spevack> well, then the less busy time will be a good time to try to 
organize a Europe FUDCon ;)
<fcrippa> more then 100 small event in the same moment
<fcrippa> one for each italian cities
<fcrippa> last year ubuntu dominated dvd distribution...
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<fcrippa> so I hope this year also fedora can participate to dvd war..
<glezos> spevack: definitely! Distances are small here, so we could get 
a lot of people together more easily.
<fcrippa> eof
<fcrippa> (linux day should be last week of october)
<valen1> ?
<fcrippa> spevack: +1
<fabian_a> valen1,
<valen1> Will there be a full text copy of this meeting - if it will - 
where and when?
<valen1> glezos please contact me offline because I have to go now. My 
email is valent.turkovic at gmail.com because I have lots of localization 
<valen1> Thank you all and bye.
<valen1> eof
<glezos> valen1: will do!
<fabian_a> more issues about events?
<kanarip> there's an event called "HCC dagen" with about 120.000 
visitors in Oct/Nov in the Netherlands
<red_alert> !
<spevack> kanarip: add it! :)
<fabian_a> please add all events to 
<fabian_a> red_alert,
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<red_alert> I know that FrOSCon is taking place no earlier than 
august...but just to check, is there someone feeling responsible for 
that event? they should  add themselves to the FedoraEvents page
<red_alert> eof
<fabian_a> next topic: NPO
<fabian_a> kanarip please
<kanarip> ok
<kanarip> i've sent the latest draft of the NPO statutes to the mailing 
list, incorporating some of the comments made on the first draft
<kanarip> Gerold indicates that the financial department in Germany 
still needs to "OK" the first draft and that is just to indicate there 
are no fundamental problems -nothing official about their answer-
<kanarip> We've set up a page where you can self-nominate if you would 
want to run for board and the law requires a minimum of 4 people on the 
board, and so far 4 people have nominated themselves
<rsc> !
<kanarip> note that amongst those 4 is MaxSpevack, who regretably will 
not be able to attend FOSDEM and can therefore not be elected :/
<spevack> :(
<kanarip> again, that's a requirement by law and not something we made 
up on the spot < sorry max :/
<spevack> kanarip: but i will someday stage a coup! ;)
<kanarip> you will i'm sure i'll be watching you ;-)
<spevack> kanarip: it's ok.  I even noted that on the page
* spot ponders a coup
<kanarip> so far, so good, gerold and i have been thinking about 
postponing the foundation if there is 1) not enough candidates for 
board, or 2) if the ambassadors think max should be there when it all 
goes down
<rsc> There was a parol "OK" by a German financial department for the 
first draft (?), but nothing in written form, yet -- EOF (fabian_a, 
you're to slow)
<kanarip> 3) whatever other reason you can think of... fill us in
<kanarip> any questions?
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<fabian_a> now it's up to rsc :-)
<kanarip> there is an opportunity on the table to motion... i'll ask 
again, any questions?
<red_alert> ?
<fabian_a> red_alert,
<glezos> kanarip: FWIW, I'm planning on nominate for the board as well
<spevack> spot: i called dibs on the coup, but you can be my minion if 
you like ;)
<kanarip> no-one wants to suggest postponing and make a motion to do so?
<kanarip> red_alert, there's your answer i guess ;-)
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<red_alert> we could still have a general member meeting at linuxtag in 
berlin in order to give more members to be voted into the board that 
can't go to FOSDEM, right? of course we still need 4 nominees at FOSDEM
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<spot> spevack: yes, but i will be at fosdem. muahaa!
* spevack shakes his fist
<red_alert> oh...eof
<kanarip> red_alert, maybe we could i'll have to clear that up with Gerold
<kanarip> fabian_a, i guess there's no more questions or comments so we 
can continue ;-)
<kanarip> EOF
<rsc> kanarip: +1 / red_alert: -1
<fabian_a> thanks, kanarip
<fabian_a> the stage is open
<kanarip> rsc, +1 to what exactly?
<ChitleshGoorah> Here is presentation I did for Fedora Electronic Lab, 
http://chitlesh.fedorapeople.org/FEL/fel-fabless-solutions.pdf , please 
pass it on to those you may know who might interested. I talked about 
where FEL applications can be used and how academic institutions might 
take advantage of it.
<ChitleshGoorah> eof
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<fabian_a> anything else?
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<kanarip> apparently not
<fabian_a> ok
<rsc> kanarip: communication with Gerold about this/doing it still on FOSDEM
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<fabian_a> Fedora Ambassadors Meeting EMEA 2008-02-13 has been 
adjourned. Next meeting in March 2008.

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