From linux at elfshadow.net Sat Mar 1 02:17:13 2008 From: linux at elfshadow.net (Jeffrey Tadlock) Date: Fri, 29 Feb 2008 21:17:13 -0500 Subject: [Ambassadors] CLT08 Preparation In-Reply-To: <200802292300.06564.jsimon@fedoraproject.org> References: <200802292300.06564.jsimon@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <10e0a9b00802291817p44abe6fas508d7f461bc78c4a@mail.gmail.com> 2008/2/29 JoergSimon : > RobertScheck and i are save arrived at CLT and build up the booth - like last > year we have a table and a wall. We carefull decorated with the Posters we > have and then we hung a Fedora Flag on a wall above the booth - hope we don?t > get in trouble with that ;-) > We get our Identity Cards and meal tickets - and will enjoy the start tomorrow > morning at 08:00 am. > > Many potential contributors are waiting to be hired ;) Thanks for the post. I loved the place you hung the Fedora banner, the picture on your blog post was great. Enjoy the event. ~Jeffrey From jmbabich at gmail.com Sat Mar 1 18:16:57 2008 From: jmbabich at gmail.com (John Babich) Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2008 21:16:57 +0300 Subject: [Ambassadors] Fedora Ambassadors (FAmSCo) Meeting - 2008-02-29 - IRC Log Message-ID: <9d2c731f0803011016l66b58c8fhaf29cc02e06ece8b@mail.gmail.com> Feb 29 23:03:21 good, i think we can start Feb 29 23:03:29 * spevack just got out of his previous meeting Feb 29 23:03:41 Please call roll: Feb 29 23:03:50 FrancescoUgolini Feb 29 23:03:53 fugolini: rodrigopadula at gmail.com = Gtalk ocarado102 at msn.com = MESSENGER Feb 29 23:03:58 JohnBabich Feb 29 23:03:59 MaxSpevack Feb 29 23:04:00 JeffreyTadlock Feb 29 23:04:01 Andreas Rau Feb 29 23:04:09 Rodrigo Padula Feb 29 23:04:38 Good, we are enough :) Feb 29 23:04:51 First of all: Meeting Agenda Feb 29 23:05:07 1. Chair comunications Feb 29 23:05:17 2. Max comunications Feb 29 23:05:43 3. other questions (if we will have time) Feb 29 23:05:57 ok, first issue Feb 29 23:06:06 I will be brief. Feb 29 23:06:41 As you read we will have weekly meeting, instead of biweekly Feb 29 23:07:55 ones, so we will try to organize ourselves to help people who have time problem to join them at least two times a month Feb 29 23:08:08 Have you questions? Feb 29 23:08:29 I think all it's clear we will discuss, if it would be necessary, in the list Feb 29 23:08:31 ? Feb 29 23:08:39 iWolf: Feb 29 23:08:48 It is going to be Friday? Feb 29 23:08:51 eof Feb 29 23:09:46 We could rotate from friday to another day (please visit FAmSCo meeting calendar to add your preferences) Feb 29 23:10:13 But i think i took a lot of time, now i think we have to hear what Max has to say. eof Feb 29 23:10:16 spevack: Feb 29 23:10:29 ok, well i have probably a few things to say Feb 29 23:10:36 so feel free to just jump in any time with questions or comments Feb 29 23:10:51 I ask myself "what is the best service that FAMSCO can provide to the Ambassadors community" Feb 29 23:11:00 and i ask myself Feb 29 23:11:11 what are the opportunities that famsco has *today* that it did not have one year ago Feb 29 23:11:31 one of the things that I have always wanted famsco to take an active leadership role in Feb 29 23:11:46 has been directly giving resources to local ambassadors Feb 29 23:11:56 and then holding those ambassadors accountable for how they use those resources Feb 29 23:12:01 in the past, this was very difficult Feb 29 23:12:06 there was limited budget Feb 29 23:12:11 and all of that budget kind of went through me. Feb 29 23:12:19 Now, many of these problems have gone away Feb 29 23:12:30 So I would like to start by talking about the "Ambassadors and Events" budget for the coming year Feb 29 23:12:36 and make sure that all of FAMSCO understands it Feb 29 23:13:00 *then* we can talk about how we will (a) maximize the usage of that budget and (b) how we will "prove" that we generated value for Fedora from that budget Feb 29 23:13:03 any questions so far? Feb 29 23:13:24 ok Feb 29 23:13:29 go on, i'm understanding Feb 29 23:13:29 everyone go here Feb 29 23:13:29 http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/CommunityArchitecture/Expenses Feb 29 23:13:50 there are several line items in that budget that DIRECTLY impact Ambassadors Feb 29 23:14:03 * mdomsch has quit ("Leaving") Feb 29 23:14:04 The first are the "large events" that we specifically make separate entries for Feb 29 23:14:11 FUDCon @ Red Hat Summit in Boston Feb 29 23:14:17 Large FUDCon in Europe Feb 29 23:14:26 Fedora @ Linux Conf .AU Feb 29 23:14:32 Fedora @ FISL in Brazil Feb 29 23:14:35 Fedora @ LinuxTag Feb 29 23:14:38 Fedora @ FOSDEM Feb 29 23:14:48 The role of FAMSCO here is relatively straightforward Feb 29 23:15:01 (1) Ensure that there are *local* teams that take the organizational responsibility for these events Feb 29 23:15:07 For things like LinuxTag, this is done. Feb 29 23:15:18 For things like FISL, we have guys like Rodrigo who have taken leadership roles. Feb 29 23:15:29 For something like Linux Conf .AU, the "local leader" is less clear Feb 29 23:15:41 and identifying people and empowering those people is something FAMSCO can help with. Feb 29 23:15:56 In *each case*, someone from the Red Hat Community Architecture team is also responsible for helping to make this happen. Feb 29 23:16:10 The Red Hat community architecture team is me, Greg DeKoenigsberg, and Jack Aboutboul. Feb 29 23:16:23 Greg is focusing on Latin America -- he has been working with David barzilay and Rodrigo about FISL Feb 29 23:16:29 My focus is going to be on Europe Feb 29 23:16:52 in fact, Red Hat will be moving me to live in Europe so that I can devote myself entirely to being the community leader and community builder for Fedora and Red Hat in EMEA. Feb 29 23:17:19 The Asia community is less clear -- there are a number of people in that region who have lots of energy -- and one of our challenges will be to make sure the budget for Linux Conf .aU is well spent Feb 29 23:17:19 spevack, wow Feb 29 23:17:27 but that is all i want to say about the big shows right now Feb 29 23:17:31 Rock On Max! Feb 29 23:17:38 a second area where FAMSCO can be a *HUGE HELP* is in the line item that says Feb 29 23:17:44 "Global Events and Swag" Feb 29 23:17:56 the budget for this item is modest -- $12k USD per quarter Feb 29 23:18:07 but that is still *much more* than we have ever had to spend on general global event coverage than before. Feb 29 23:18:15 in *my* opinion Feb 29 23:18:34 you are right Feb 29 23:18:38 our goal should be to make sure that the FedoraEvents page is as complete as it can be, and that every single event on that page receives some level of support from FAMSCO Feb 29 23:18:43 Famsco's job is Feb 29 23:19:00 (1) identify a leader for each event -- again, the focus should always be on empowering local people to organize Feb 29 23:19:27 (2) figuirng out the level of resources that each event needs, and *balancing* those requests to map to the budget that we have set aside Feb 29 23:19:37 *this* is the area that we have always failed at before Feb 29 23:19:55 FAMSCo could never make decisions of "Event A is more important than Event B" because it was never clear what the total budget was Feb 29 23:20:10 ! Feb 29 23:20:11 But now it is clear -- $12k per quarter for everything that is not otherwise noted Feb 29 23:20:17 I'll stop now and take questions -- my fingers hurt Feb 29 23:20:23 RodrigoPadula: Feb 29 23:20:36 in Brazil we have a lot of bi regional events Feb 29 23:21:07 one in the Amazonic states .... another in the Northeast Feb 29 23:21:16 Central Feb 29 23:21:23 and South = FISL Feb 29 23:21:44 in october or november we will have tha Latinoware Feb 29 23:21:56 a Latin American big event in FOz do Iguacu - Brazil Feb 29 23:22:21 RodrigoPadula: are all of those on the FedoraEvents page? Feb 29 23:22:27 yes Feb 29 23:22:46 in this year i would like to realize the II Latin American Ambassadors and Users Conference Feb 29 23:23:11 i think that is all excellent. Feb 29 23:23:28 +1 Feb 29 23:23:28 i have support from the event organization for 4 Latin american Ambassador (probably Argentina, Chile, Venezuela, Mexico) Feb 29 23:23:39 and for 2 Brazilian Ambassador Feb 29 23:24:00 including: hotel, air tickets and others Feb 29 23:24:23 so, can we add this event in the BIG EVENTS LIST ? Feb 29 23:24:44 With the same budget for each one? Feb 29 23:24:45 RodrigoPadula: here is what we can and should do Feb 29 23:25:06 we need budget to booth, midias and others stuffs like banners, flyers Feb 29 23:25:26 (1) the "big events list" for this year has been set. It is what you see. But, I think it is in the best interest of *all Fedora Ambassadors* to have FAMSCO take the $12k USD for "global events and swag" and turn that into a more specific list Feb 29 23:25:35 much in the same way the engineers do Feb 29 23:25:37 for the Feb 29 23:25:39 in my opinio... the LATINOWARE is most important local event in South America Feb 29 23:25:41 features that go into Fedora Feb 29 23:25:43 more than FISL Feb 29 23:25:54 RodrigoPadula: i wish you had told us that long ago :) Feb 29 23:26:05 FAMSCO needs to say: Feb 29 23:26:08 in public Feb 29 23:26:11 to all ambassadors Feb 29 23:26:18 is the same Feb 29 23:26:20 "here is the money we have to spend" Feb 29 23:26:24 like 5.000 Feb 29 23:26:26 and we will make our decisions based on the FedoraEvents page Feb 29 23:26:43 does that make sense? Feb 29 23:26:49 ok Feb 29 23:26:52 yes, i really agree with you Feb 29 23:26:54 FAMSCO's job is to (1) prioritize events Feb 29 23:27:04 (2) resource those events based on priority Feb 29 23:27:13 (3) determine the metrics that are used to judge whether an event was successful or not Feb 29 23:27:25 (4) learn from the current year when it comes time to plan for the next year Feb 29 23:27:35 (5) Always seek to put accountability into the hands of Local Ambassadors Feb 29 23:27:48 we have separate meetings now for North America, Europe, etc. Feb 29 23:27:54 FAMSCO must tie those all together. Feb 29 23:27:59 EOF Feb 29 23:28:14 great Feb 29 23:28:39 +1 Feb 29 23:28:41 Have you qestions (before mine)? Feb 29 23:28:56 eof Feb 29 23:29:10 well Feb 29 23:29:12 my last comment is Feb 29 23:29:32 what we are going to do week by week to achieve those 5 goals. Feb 29 23:29:44 but that is actually dividing up work. first we must agree on the goals :) Feb 29 23:29:59 i want to ask just few things about this plan: Feb 29 23:30:40 go ahead Feb 29 23:30:54 the parameters we will use to prioritize will be decided by FAmSCo, Feb 29 23:31:49 after we have to make metrics Feb 29 23:32:03 with those ones. Feb 29 23:32:11 *we will Feb 29 23:32:16 it's right? Feb 29 23:32:40 because to make metrics we need some parameters Feb 29 23:32:47 eof Feb 29 23:32:50 the question we must ask is this: Feb 29 23:33:02 if we spend any amount of money to go to hold a fedora event Feb 29 23:33:04 anywhere in the world Feb 29 23:33:09 what did we get out of it? Feb 29 23:33:21 if people come to our booth, take a CD, leave, and never even install Fedora Feb 29 23:33:24 then it was a waste Feb 29 23:33:30 if a few people install Fedora, then there is minimal value Feb 29 23:33:40 if we can make even 1 person *passionate* enough about fedora Feb 29 23:33:56 that they want to join our community and move from being a *consumer* to a *producer* then we are beginning to be successful Feb 29 23:34:00 similarly Feb 29 23:34:11 +1 Feb 29 23:34:18 there is huge value, in my opinion, to having a few larger events that are used as a place for all Fedora people in a region to come toger Feb 29 23:34:22 er, together. Feb 29 23:34:27 things like FUDcon or Fedora Ambassador Days Feb 29 23:34:35 the *positive energy* generated at those events Feb 29 23:34:41 is the energey that keeps the community going Feb 29 23:34:46 yep Feb 29 23:34:59 but in short, Francesco Feb 29 23:35:01 * ldimaggi_ (n=ldimaggi at nat/redhat/x-291c7c0c6ce91645) has joined #fedora-meeting Feb 29 23:35:09 if someone says "I want $1000 for event Foo" Feb 29 23:35:17 we need to know what they intend to "get" for their $1000 Feb 29 23:35:30 and how they will demonstrate that it was a good decision for us to give it. Feb 29 23:35:38 and this is the same thing that I face Feb 29 23:35:43 to get the budget from Red Hat Feb 29 23:36:03 if I cannot go back at the end of the year and prove the value of doing all these things, then they will say "what is the point of having max here?" :) Feb 29 23:36:17 ok, i understood :) Feb 29 23:36:28 +1 Feb 29 23:36:31 this is why Event Reports are so important to me Feb 29 23:37:22 can you create a Report Template for this ? Feb 29 23:38:09 I would like someone to ask the community "if you are the leader of an event, what is the way that you want to report back to the community the results of that event" Feb 29 23:38:15 and a "report template" will come out of that discussion Feb 29 23:38:16 so, i can send to you all report from past to tje future events Feb 29 23:38:20 i was working on a "video" guide for ambassadors, one of the topic i want to explain is how to make a good report Feb 29 23:38:23 does someone want to take this action item? Feb 29 23:39:04 i think it would better to list all the tasks Feb 29 23:39:12 fugolini: ok. Feb 29 23:39:15 thanks Feb 29 23:39:31 so maybe i should say "are there more questions on what i have said. or should we move on to other topics so i don't steal the whole meeting?" Feb 29 23:39:45 * DanseMakabre (i=pat at bobo.ds5.agh.edu.pl) has joined #fedora-meeting Feb 29 23:40:16 ! Feb 29 23:40:18 go on Feb 29 23:40:23 thanks max, for me the next option is fine Feb 29 23:40:26 jmbuser: Feb 29 23:41:19 spevack: What I understand is that this part of the push (which I think is a good thing) t measure what can be measured, am I right? Feb 29 23:41:34 jmbuser: yes Feb 29 23:41:38 the way i see it Feb 29 23:41:48 in the past year we had enough budget to do "a few things" Feb 29 23:41:59 now we have argued for several times that budget Feb 29 23:42:11 hi guys Feb 29 23:42:18 but with that additional money comes a requirement to be more rigorous in determining how well we are spending the money :) Feb 29 23:42:29 spevack: agreed Feb 29 23:42:30 but doing it in a way that is palatable to the community Feb 29 23:43:16 spevack: That was my point - we have to remember to keep the ideals of the community foremost in our minds at the same time Feb 29 23:43:29 jmbuser: Absolutely. Feb 29 23:43:38 jmbuser: by accepting leadership roles in the community Feb 29 23:43:39 eof Feb 29 23:43:41 * wolfy (n=lonewolf at fedora/wolfy) has joined #fedora-meeting Feb 29 23:43:54 we can move on Feb 29 23:44:05 we have a responsibility to serve both the community, but also to understand that Daddy Shadowman holds people like me and Greg accountable Feb 29 23:44:13 so the Fedora leaders are the bridge between the two Feb 29 23:44:22 which is a hard job, but a rewarding one Feb 29 23:45:11 may i say one more thing? Feb 29 23:45:14 to all of you Feb 29 23:45:16 sure Feb 29 23:45:21 sure Feb 29 23:45:25 sure Feb 29 23:45:30 +1 Feb 29 23:45:34 I am very excited about the fact that Ambassadors in general has more opportunities (because of more budget) to do things all over the world this year Feb 29 23:45:40 but one of the things i have been thinking a lot about Feb 29 23:45:44 and worrying a lot about Feb 29 23:46:06 is how we can do this in a way where power and responsibility can be taken out of my hands and given directly to you guys Feb 29 23:46:13 i don't want to just sit here and say "here is how it will be" Feb 29 23:46:28 I want to help you guys build that relationship with all of Fedor aambassadors worldwide Feb 29 23:46:42 (it just so happens that part of my job will be specifically to help out in Europe) Feb 29 23:46:43 so i need you guys Feb 29 23:46:50 to tell me the best way that I can be useful to you! Feb 29 23:46:59 so far, all i have done is gotten a bunch more money Feb 29 23:47:07 but i need you to tell me what i should do with it, to some extent :) Feb 29 23:47:18 EOF Feb 29 23:47:23 +1 Feb 29 23:47:59 Yes, i think you are right. Maybe we have to make this relationship more durable than FAmSCo one, we stay on charge only a year Feb 29 23:48:05 and we need continuity. Feb 29 23:48:18 +1\\ Feb 29 23:48:31 Someone trusts on us but can we guarantee for the future? Feb 29 23:48:51 i think we have to define strictly our jobs into the FAmSCo Feb 29 23:49:23 but moreover if we Feb 29 23:49:42 will start this experience i think we will have the attention of all community Feb 29 23:50:00 and the greatest people will be able to distingush themselves Feb 29 23:50:02 * wolfy (n=lonewolf at fedora/wolfy) has left #fedora-meeting ("I intend to live forever - so far, so good.") Feb 29 23:50:38 as you say we have to make our work clear and i think people will help us Feb 29 23:50:44 this year will be a great year for Fedora In Brazil and in all Latin American, i will send more informations at FAMSCO's list Feb 29 23:51:34 Max, i can assure that this FAmSCo will be a good partner Feb 29 23:51:58 +1 Feb 29 23:52:13 today you give the course, now we have to be able to follow this Feb 29 23:52:28 fugolini: i have huge faith in all of you Feb 29 23:52:41 we will work together Feb 29 23:52:45 and work transparently with all ambassadors Feb 29 23:53:39 fugolini: what is the next topic? Feb 29 23:53:50 we will continue the discussion over the "tasks" in the M-L Feb 29 23:53:58 I am trying to represent well the Fedora in latin america. We are developing and evolving throughout America with a wide exchange of experiences! Feb 29 23:53:58 I am leading several initiatives and ideas. I think they can be copied by many countries to create local and regional communities Feb 29 23:54:13 Just to things Feb 29 23:54:17 *two Feb 29 23:54:59 1. Feb 29 23:55:41 fabian sent an email with some Feb 29 23:56:07 * gvarisco_ (n=gvarisco at nat/redhat/x-1c31cde41234ff73) has joined #fedora-meeting Feb 29 23:56:18 obsolete pages that we have to update, personally i will try to update as more as possible but it's necessary the help of the people Feb 29 23:57:06 2. Feb 29 23:58:18 For the Ambassadors Award we need some metrics before Feb 29 23:58:46 and i think the events metrics could be a good base to make community metrics Feb 29 23:59:23 I know some people aren't happy to see this, but it's a natural step for a project that it's evolving Mar 01 00:00:02 3. We will create the first poster with Ambassadors Thougt Mar 01 00:00:35 now i have just to define with Nicubunu the layout (he is helping me in this initiative). Mar 01 00:00:52 * gvarisco_ has quit (Client Quit) Mar 01 00:01:17 It would be better to see in each booth the "Ambassadors Voice" poster (with cool graphics) Mar 01 00:01:43 Now it's your time, i think nothing is more important than max issue Mar 01 00:02:03 i think the next meeting will be different Mar 01 00:02:25 if we consider the new way FAmSCo will assume Mar 01 00:02:27 i would like us to use this week to think about "concrete" tasks that we want to do with Ambassadors Project Mar 01 00:02:36 talk on the mailing lists Mar 01 00:02:44 and next week see what gets the most support Mar 01 00:02:45 sure, i'm just thinking :) (really) Mar 01 00:02:48 and figure out how to implement it Mar 01 00:03:20 * spevack has fingers that hurt from so much typing Mar 01 00:04:03 good, i invite all FAmSCo members to send their ideas Mar 01 00:05:05 * fab_a is now known as fabian_a Mar 01 00:05:06 i think if nobody has something to say we can adjourn the meeting Mar 01 00:05:16 3 Mar 01 00:05:23 2 Mar 01 00:05:28 thank you all for coming Mar 01 00:05:30 1 From stickster at gmail.com Sat Mar 1 18:29:46 2008 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Sat, 01 Mar 2008 13:29:46 -0500 Subject: [Ambassadors] CLT08 Preparation In-Reply-To: <200802292300.06564.jsimon@fedoraproject.org> References: <200802292300.06564.jsimon@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <1204396186.7747.19.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Fri, 2008-02-29 at 22:59 +0100, JoergSimon wrote: > one year is gone since we had our FedoraBooth on > CLT07 > and after a warm up last week on FOSDEM once again we have a booth on CLT08 in > the middle of CentOS and OpenBSD > . > CLT is the most important FOSS(only) related event besides Linuxtag Berlin in > Germany with around 4000 visitors. As the organizer points out the motto this > year is "Free Knowledge and Free Culture" and the main attraction is the OLPC > presented by a group olpc.at and SkoleLinux. > So i updated my knowledge about OLPC, to ask the right questions and know my > words about the deep hints about the relation of OLPC and the Fedora Project. > Booth build up will start tomorrow at 06:00 pm - and sadly we are only three > Ambassadors RobertScheck and JensKuehnel and i, we have LiveDVD?s, the "I am > Fedora" Shirts with the old Logo, Generic Posters on Truckplane, Posters from > FrancescoCrippa who gave us some Posters on FOSDEM and a big Fedora Flag. > Jens will give a talk - i could not see his talk on FOSDEM so i have another > chance. I covered many events in the past and truly this is the best > organized event in europe! Another hint - they have the best social event i > know! > So if you can come this year - be there - and if not, don?t miss it next year. > > RobertScheck and i are save arrived at CLT and build up the booth - like last > year we have a table and a wall. We carefull decorated with the Posters we > have and then we hung a Fedora Flag on a wall above the booth - hope we don?t > get in trouble with that ;-) > We get our Identity Cards and meal tickets - and will enjoy the start tomorrow > morning at 08:00 am. > > Many potential contributors are waiting to be hired ;) Joerg, the blog post was great -- can't wait to see the next update! -- Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Are there any German > > Ambassadors that know the people running http://openfacts.berlios.de ? > > http://www.berlios.de/contact/index.php.en or > http://developer.berlios.de/staff.php > > Kind regards, > > Fabian I sent emails to all of those addresses and still got no reply :( So does anybody perhaps knows them personally by chance? Cheers, Valent. -- http://kernelreloaded.blog385.com/ linux, blog, anime, spirituality, windsurf, wireless registered as user #367004 with the Linux Counter, http://counter.li.org. ICQ: 2125241, Skype: valent.turkovic From fab at fedoraproject.org Sun Mar 2 00:15:40 2008 From: fab at fedoraproject.org (Fabian Affolter) Date: Sun, 02 Mar 2008 01:15:40 +0100 Subject: [Ambassadors] Ambassador Meeting EMEA 2008-03-12 Message-ID: <47C9F1AC.7030905@fedoraproject.org> Hi all, There is a conflict between the OpenExpo [1] at Berne (Switzerland) in Europe where I will attend and the monthly Ambassadors meeting [2] for EMEA. Because of this I'm looking for a person who is willing to lead the meeting. If you want to be the chair for this meeting add your name to the meeting page [2]. Your job will basically only be to lead the ambassadors through the meeting. But also remind them to follow the protocol [3], work through the agenda, save the log, and wish everybody a nice morning/evening or a good night when the meeting is over ;-) . About the summary we can discuss after the meeting. If nobody steps up we have to cancel this meeting. Thanks in advance Kind regards, Fabian [1] http://www.openexpo.ch/openexpo-2008-bern/ [2] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/Meetings/2008-03-12 [3] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/IRCHowTo#Protocol From angel.fedora at gmail.com Sun Mar 2 07:46:05 2008 From: angel.fedora at gmail.com (Ashiqur Rahman) Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2008 13:46:05 +0600 Subject: [Ambassadors] How to open a new mailing list? Message-ID: Hello all, I am not sure, this is the appropriate place, for this mail or not. I want to open a new mailing list for Bangladeshi Fedora contributors and users. How it is possible? Is it really possible? -- Angel Fedora Ambassador for Bangladesh GPG key: 0xC4639705 http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/AshiqurRahman -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mahayalamkhan at gmail.com Sun Mar 2 07:53:53 2008 From: mahayalamkhan at gmail.com (mak) Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2008 13:53:53 +0600 Subject: [Ambassadors] How to open a new mailing list? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 02/03/2008, Ashiqur Rahman wrote: > > Hello all, > I am not sure, this is the appropriate place, for this mail or not. > I want to open a new mailing list for Bangladeshi Fedora contributors and > users. How it is possible? 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Check out http://www.redhatmagazine.com/2008/02/29/video-what-you-missed-at-fudcon-2008/ There is a video ... including Jim Whitehurst, the new CEO of Red Hat, wearing a Fedora T-Shirt :) Cheers, Matthias -- Matthias Kranz http://mkr.oerks.de From jsimon at fedoraproject.org Sun Mar 2 00:25:35 2008 From: jsimon at fedoraproject.org (JoergSimon) Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2008 01:25:35 +0100 Subject: [Ambassadors] CLT08 Stormy Day 1 Message-ID: <200803020125.40954.jsimon@fedoraproject.org> CLT08 Stormy Day 1 Storm "Emma"(in Germany a Wether phenomenon is named) catched us right as we leave the hotel so we had a really wet stormy start in this great day. Chemnitz is the former City "Karl-Marx-Stadt" and in front of the hotel there was a 3 Floor high Head of Karl Marx (!) - not sure what i should think about it. First - hurray our fedora flag hung on the same place - so no trouble were to fear. After placed the tech. Equipment - one Fedora 8 Laptop with Gnome, one Rawhide Laptop with KDE4, one OLPC B2 and a ALIX Board (close to the olpc hardware) wich is running Fedora. We started a IRC Session on the KDE Laptop so the visitors could ask questions on the fedora-de channel - without knowing it visitors are allready using one main aspect in the Kommunikation of the FedoraProject - but we told them! As a further aspect we started the Wiki with the "Join Fedora" Web-Page, not in german but in english because the german translation of this page is translated with the german courtliness-form to say a polite "you" (no idea how to explain this correct) and for the audience in Chemnitz this is a way to dissociate - so Fabian ;) we will discuss to find a way that match all - anyway thanks for your great work to translate all this stuff - as you see, we work on reinforcement - as example the two who asked you on IRC. On the Booth we had all kind of people Students, Professors, Kids, EndUser, Developer, Admins ... To hire them for Fedora is not easy, often i focused on the translation and artwork part of the project - i was happy that i had seen Dimitris Glezos Transifex talk last week - but this was surely not enough, so Fabian - i hope you get much questions and contributors. What we really achieved here? Much to less in form to get more committed contributors - but tomorrow is another chance! I visited the OLPC talk of Christoph Derndorfer olpc.at and i was impressed about the work that they have done and how many non technical ideas are behind it - nice side effect he told me that he visited Boston in the last weeks and had lunch with Greg de Koenigsberg so always the same suspects ;-) Dear Reader, if you are a Package Maintainer for Fedora, there is a list wich Fedora Packages are on the OLPC , so look, maybe you have done more then you know for the OLPC Project. We had a 10 year old girl on the booth that was playing 30 min with the OLPC, then she found a application and asked me hey it is in english why is it not german i tryed to solve this whith sugar-control-panel - but it was not there, after a view minutes in the OLPC Wiki and a short chat with Dennis Gilmore we deside not to ruin the OLPC B2 with upgrading it to a newer version - because i need it in good shape in a view days on the OpenExpo in Bern to support Fabian on his Booth. The social event was great as always - Menu 5 courses - great entertainment - i will look for some pictures. Thanks to everyone who encouraged me - it helps me to work on my clumsy english ;-) -- J?rg Simon jsimon at fedoraproject.org http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/JoergSimon Key Fingerprint: 3691 0989 2DCA 58A2 8D1F 2CAC C823 558E 5B5B 5688 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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By the way, I already made a Google group for Fedora Bangladeshi user. http://groups.google.com/group/fedora-bangladesh So you can delete fedorabd group, mak wrote: > On 02/03/2008, *Ashiqur Rahman* > wrote: > > Hello all, > I am not sure, this is the appropriate place, for this mail or not. > I want to open a new mailing list for Bangladeshi Fedora > contributors and users. How it is possible? Is it really possible? > > > created one: http://groups.google.com/group/fedorabd > join, and ask others to join. > > > -- > Regards > mak > ----------------------- > Hacking is good > Hackers human > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Sun Mar 2 09:12:25 2008 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Sun, 02 Mar 2008 14:42:25 +0530 Subject: [Ambassadors] How to open a new mailing list? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <47CA6F79.9010304@fedoraproject.org> Ashiqur Rahman wrote: > Hello all, > I am not sure, this is the appropriate place, for this mail or not. > I want to open a new mailing list for Bangladeshi Fedora contributors > and users. How it is possible? Is it really possible? Sure. File a request with Fedora infrastructure. Refer https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-infrastructure/newticket You have to login with your Fedora account first. Rahul From angel.fedora at gmail.com Sun Mar 2 09:17:11 2008 From: angel.fedora at gmail.com (Angel) Date: Sun, 02 Mar 2008 15:17:11 +0600 Subject: [Ambassadors] How to open a new mailing list? In-Reply-To: <47CA6F79.9010304@fedoraproject.org> References: <47CA6F79.9010304@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <47CA7097.4080709@gmail.com> Thank you. I am on the way to Fedora Infrastructure Rahul Sundaram wrote: > Ashiqur Rahman wrote: >> Hello all, >> I am not sure, this is the appropriate place, for this mail or not. >> I want to open a new mailing list for Bangladeshi Fedora contributors >> and users. How it is possible? Is it really possible? > > Sure. File a request with Fedora infrastructure. Refer > > https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-infrastructure/newticket > > You have to login with your Fedora account first. > > Rahul > > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list From mahayalamkhan at gmail.com Sun Mar 2 09:22:03 2008 From: mahayalamkhan at gmail.com (mak) Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2008 15:22:03 +0600 Subject: [Ambassadors] How to open a new mailing list? In-Reply-To: <47CA6F79.9010304@fedoraproject.org> References: <47CA6F79.9010304@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: On 02/03/2008, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > > Ashiqur Rahman wrote: > > Hello all, > > I am not sure, this is the appropriate place, for this mail or not. > > I want to open a new mailing list for Bangladeshi Fedora contributors > > and users. How it is possible? Is it really possible? > > > Sure. File a request with Fedora infrastructure. Refer > > https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-infrastructure/newticket > > You have to login with your Fedora account first. Rahul, I would like to ask / request older ambassadors should be made mailing list owner. So, I'm proposing http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ImtiazRahi should have the owner access to that mailing list. He is a long active ambassador in our Country. -- Regards mak ----------------------- Hacking is good Hackers human -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From angel.fedora at gmail.com Sun Mar 2 09:47:07 2008 From: angel.fedora at gmail.com (Angel) Date: Sun, 02 Mar 2008 15:47:07 +0600 Subject: [Ambassadors] How to open a new mailing list? In-Reply-To: References: <47CA6F79.9010304@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <47CA779B.208@gmail.com> mak wrote: > > Rahul, I would like to ask / request older ambassadors should be made > mailing list owner. > So, I'm proposing http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ImtiazRahi should have > the owner access to that mailing list. He is a long active ambassador > in our Country. > > > -- > Regards > mak > ----------------------- > Hacking is good > Hackers human > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ImtiazRahi should have the owner access to that mailing list? My question, then why did not he ever feel any need of fedora-bangladesh mailing list? I felt this, so I am requesting for the mailing list. Thank you. From fugolini at fedoraproject.org Sun Mar 2 09:57:50 2008 From: fugolini at fedoraproject.org (Francesco Ugolini) Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2008 10:57:50 +0100 Subject: [Ambassadors] How to open a new mailing list? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: 2008/3/2, Ashiqur Rahman : > Hello all, > I am not sure, this is the appropriate place, for this mail or not. > I want to open a new mailing list for Bangladeshi Fedora contributors and > users. How it is possible? Is it really possible? > > -- > Angel > Fedora Ambassador for Bangladesh > GPG key: 0xC4639705 > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/AshiqurRahman > > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > > I'm really happy to read that you are creating this list (it means the ambs group in your Country is growing), moreover i want to ask you to remember all ambassadors who will join the new list to follow also the Ambassadors List (like the other Local Groups are doing) and report their events reports in this list. This message is valid for each local group who created or is creating its own list. Regards Francesco Ugolini From angel.fedora at gmail.com Sun Mar 2 10:16:52 2008 From: angel.fedora at gmail.com (Angel) Date: Sun, 02 Mar 2008 16:16:52 +0600 Subject: [Ambassadors] How to open a new mailing list? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <47CA7E94.6020000@gmail.com> Thank you. I glad to hear such a positive comments from you. If you have any more suggestion for me, I will be happy. :-) Francesco Ugolini wrote: > > > I'm really happy to read that you are creating this list (it means the > ambs group in your Country is growing), moreover i want to ask you to > remember all ambassadors who will join the new list to follow also the > Ambassadors List (like the other Local Groups are doing) and report > their events reports in this list. > > This message is valid for each local group who created or is creating > its own list. > > Regards > > Francesco Ugolini > > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > From fab at fedoraproject.org Sun Mar 2 11:13:25 2008 From: fab at fedoraproject.org (Fabian Affolter) Date: Sun, 02 Mar 2008 12:13:25 +0100 Subject: [Ambassadors] Ambassador Meeting EMEA 2008-03-12 In-Reply-To: <1204447900.8528.17.camel@dhcp-0-189.muc.redhat.com> References: <47C9F1AC.7030905@fedoraproject.org> <1204447900.8528.17.camel@dhcp-0-189.muc.redhat.com> Message-ID: <47CA8BD5.5050809@fedoraproject.org> Matthias Kranz wrote: > On Sun, 2008-03-02 at 01:15 +0100, Fabian Affolter wrote: >> Hi all, >> >> There is a conflict between the OpenExpo [1] at Berne (Switzerland) in >> Europe where I will attend and the monthly Ambassadors meeting [2] for EMEA. >> >> Because of this I'm looking for a person who is willing to lead the >> meeting. If you want to be the chair for this meeting add your name to >> the meeting page [2]. Your job will basically only be to lead the >> ambassadors through the meeting. But also remind them to follow the >> protocol [3], work through the agenda, save the log, and wish everybody >> a nice morning/evening or a good night when the meeting is over ;-) . >> About the summary we can discuss after the meeting. >> >> If nobody steps up we have to cancel this meeting. > > I can lead this one. Will add my name to the mentioned page. Matthias Kranz will lead the meeting. Many thanks to him. Don't forget to attend and add your topics to the meeting page [1] before the meeting has started. Fabian [1] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/Meetings/2008-03-12 From lnxknight at gmail.com Sun Mar 2 12:36:25 2008 From: lnxknight at gmail.com (Matt McKenzie) Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2008 04:36:25 -0800 Subject: [Ambassadors] North & South America meeting time Message-ID: Hello, I have recently joined the Fedora Ambassadors. I would like to know if it is possible to use a different time for the N&SAm meeting on #fedora-meeting. I live on the west coast (Oregon), and it would be difficult to attend this meeting on Monday at 12:00pm PST (20:00UTC) in the middle of the work day. Perhaps we can discuss a better meeting time for those of us in the western hemisphere, since N&SAm are several hours off from UTC depending on where we live? 20:00UTC is good if you live near Greenwich, UK but it is difficult to attend an online meeting in the middle of the business day. For PST it is 12:00pm, which could mean lunch hour, but what about CST and EST? What if you don't have an hour for lunch, or you don't have internet access? It is most likely too late to change it for March but perhaps for April? I also hear a lot about the EMEA Ambassadors, LinuxTag and all these cool events in Europe. What about N&S America? Are there not many ambassadors in these areas? Thanks. -- ---------- Matt M. LinuxKnight -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From angel.fedora at gmail.com Sun Mar 2 12:52:22 2008 From: angel.fedora at gmail.com (Angel) Date: Sun, 02 Mar 2008 18:52:22 +0600 Subject: [Ambassadors] How to open a new mailing list? In-Reply-To: <47CA7097.4080709@gmail.com> References: <47CA6F79.9010304@fedoraproject.org> <47CA7097.4080709@gmail.com> Message-ID: <47CAA306.9020601@gmail.com> As I know some people from Bangladesh before, was ambassador, but they resigned from this project. Now I understand, what is the reason. mmahut wrote: > #427: fedora-bangladesh mailing list request > Bangladeshi Fedora contributors and users would like to request a new > mailing list. Suggested name is 'fedora-bangladesh'. > Initial member & admin should be: > Ashiqur Rahman , > ---------------------+------------------------------------------------------ > Reporter: angel | Owner: mmahut > Type: task | Status: new > Priority: major | Milestone: > Component: General | Version: > Severity: Normal | Resolution: > Keywords: | > ---------------------+------------------------------------------------------ > Changes (by mmahut): > > * owner: nobody => mmahut > > - From fugolini at fedoraproject.org Sun Mar 2 12:57:25 2008 From: fugolini at fedoraproject.org (Francesco Ugolini) Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2008 13:57:25 +0100 Subject: [Ambassadors] How to open a new mailing list? In-Reply-To: <47CAA306.9020601@gmail.com> References: <47CA6F79.9010304@fedoraproject.org> <47CA7097.4080709@gmail.com> <47CAA306.9020601@gmail.com> Message-ID: 2008/3/2, Angel : > As I know some people from Bangladesh before, was ambassador, but they > resigned from this project. > Now I understand, what is the reason. Could you explain the reason? Thank you Francesco Ugolini From angel.fedora at gmail.com Sun Mar 2 13:09:40 2008 From: angel.fedora at gmail.com (Angel) Date: Sun, 02 Mar 2008 19:09:40 +0600 Subject: [Ambassadors] How to open a new mailing list? In-Reply-To: References: <47CA6F79.9010304@fedoraproject.org> <47CA7097.4080709@gmail.com> <47CAA306.9020601@gmail.com> Message-ID: <47CAA714.4000407@gmail.com> I cant explain here. Already all other Bangladeshi ambassador gone against me. What I told just, mentioned the truth. Francesco Ugolini wrote: > 2008/3/2, Angel : > >> As I know some people from Bangladesh before, was ambassador, but they >> resigned from this project. >> Now I understand, what is the reason. >> > > Could you explain the reason? > > Thank you > > Francesco Ugolini > > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > From thomas.canniot at mrtomlinux.org Sun Mar 2 13:52:56 2008 From: thomas.canniot at mrtomlinux.org (Thomas Canniot) Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2008 14:52:56 +0100 Subject: [Ambassadors] REMINDER French Meeting today 1830 #fedora-meeting Message-ID: <20080302145256.ca2d2181.thomas.canniot@mrtomlinux.org> This mail is a reminder for today?s meeting for French ambassadors and _every_ interested people. 2008-03-02 / 18:30 UTC IRC: freenode #fedora-meeting Ce mail est un rappel pour la r?union des ambassadeurs francophones, qui aura lieu ce dimanche (02 mars) ? 20h30 heure de Paris sur IRC (freenode) #fedora-meeting . L'ordre du jour est disponible depuis cette page : http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/FrenchTeam/Reunions N'h?sitez pas ? la modifier pour rajouter des sujets qui vous semblent int?ressants. Thomas Canniot -- Thomas Canniot -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 190 bytes Desc: not available URL: From fhornain at gmail.com Sun Mar 2 14:20:17 2008 From: fhornain at gmail.com (Frederic Hornain) Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2008 15:20:17 +0100 Subject: [Ambassadors] Fedora Belgium In-Reply-To: <200802292301.29177.jbasse@fedoraproject.org> References: <3161376e0802290453u34d48020x9a8ccb5bf651be9c@mail.gmail.com> <20080229232424.257092b8.thomas.canniot@mrtomlinux.org> <200802292301.29177.jbasse@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <3161376e0803020620r1a9ce450if3988c02cacab226@mail.gmail.com> Dear *, Ok, everybody gave his own point of view however it was just a simple question. I did not say I am going to do that, did I ? I just wondering if it was possible and if it makes sense to do it. And the answer was "No really" as Max explain us. Indeed the community prefer to have a centralized organization. Fair enough ! :) > First of all there isn't any German entity, but an European (or better > EMEA) one (for legal reason it was founded in Germany). If you want > you can join Fedora EMEA (Europe - Middle East - Africa) NPO (No > Profit Organization), just talk with Fedora EMEA chair to know how to > do it. Excuse me, you are right, I made a mistake. There is an EMEA entity not a German one. Sorry for that but I am still human. So as Gerold wrote in one of these previous post, I am going to contact Fabian (fabian_a), Gerold himself (geroldka), Jeroen (kanarip) or Robert (rsc) [as the board of that organisation] in the next days. Kind Regards Frederic 2008/3/1 Jonathan Basse : > > > I encourage everyone to re-read my response on this thread and think > > > about how we can continue to work together as a EUROPEAN COMMUNITY and > > > not worry about individual countries. > > > > However I can hardly understand how such a big europen infrastructure could > > be able to manage local members individually. We are too many I think and > > have so many different cultures that I think it will be a very difficult > > task to handle. And I think this is were FAMSCO failed two years ago, it > > could not manage so many members because they were so different. > > My understanding is that Fedora EMEA NPO is more to provide a legal framework > as well as organizing the European community around Fedora > > > > Local entities are good as they can do this face to face job with local > > members. That's what we do here, and I should not make a mistake saying > > that european people first feels being from their countries before feeling > > European. I consider myself as being more French than European, however, > > Europe IS bigger than France and gives many laws to us. > > This therefore does not change the role of these 'local entities' which manage > this face to face job but actually provide them with central resource instead > of letting them 'working on their own' Moreover having this may reinforce > Fedora identity ensuring we are present when needed giving a unified message. > > I do not understand the need of creating NPO for each (country) group. This > may become a mess and make thinks difficult to follow and manage. It may be > worse designing for each country a kind of 'manager' who may be the interface > between Fedora EMEA NPO and the local community. Advocating on their needs > and providing resources for local activities. > > > > People are far from Europe from my point of view. EMEA organisation is > > good, but I personaly think it will be much easier task to communicate with > > identified local entities than with so many different local ambassadors. > > > > > > Thomas Canniot > > It was just my 0.2 $ > > Cheers, > -- > Jonathan Basse > Belgium Fedora Ambassador > > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > > -- ----------------------------------------------------- Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com Olpc mailing list olpc-open at laptop.org From jsimon at fedoraproject.org Sun Mar 2 14:34:54 2008 From: jsimon at fedoraproject.org (JoergSimon) Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2008 15:34:54 +0100 Subject: [Ambassadors] To the EMEA NPO Board about NPO Logo Message-ID: <200803021535.03839.jsimon@fedoraproject.org> I noticed a mail about a extra logo for the EMEA NPO - over the NPO Board-List - which is closed for normal members like me. That the list is closed - is absolut ok - if you discuss things like which bank account you will choose or when your next Boardmeeting will happen. But if you discuss things that affects the way how Fedora EMEA NPO presents the Fedora Project or the NPO itself like this Logo Proposal i insist that you do this in the open! Joerg -- J?rg Simon jsimon at fedoraproject.org http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/JoergSimon Key Fingerprint: 3691 0989 2DCA 58A2 8D1F 2CAC C823 558E 5B5B 5688 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part. URL: From jorge.izaac at gmail.com Sun Mar 2 14:36:14 2008 From: jorge.izaac at gmail.com (izaac zavaleta) Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2008 07:36:14 -0700 Subject: [Ambassadors] North & South America meeting time In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I was thinking in giving a comment on this topic recently, the 20:00 UTC is somewhat difficult to attend for us living in the North American zone (I'm in the Arizona -0700 GMT just about getting out from job). So I must read the meetings logs near always. So Matt I give a +1 to to this proposal. 2008/3/2 Matt McKenzie : > Hello, > > I have recently joined the Fedora Ambassadors. > > I would like to know if it is possible to use a different time for the > N&SAm meeting on #fedora-meeting. > I live on the west coast (Oregon), and it would be difficult to attend > this meeting on Monday at 12:00pm PST (20:00UTC) in the middle of the work > day. > > Perhaps we can discuss a better meeting time for those of us in the > western hemisphere, since N&SAm are several hours off from UTC depending on > where we live? 20:00UTC is good if you live near Greenwich, UK but it is > difficult to attend an online meeting in the middle of the business day. > For PST it is 12:00pm, which could mean lunch hour, but what about CST and > EST? What if you don't have an hour for lunch, or you don't have internet > access? > > It is most likely too late to change it for March but perhaps for April? > > I also hear a lot about the EMEA Ambassadors, LinuxTag and all these cool > events in Europe. What about N&S America? > Are there not many ambassadors in these areas? > > Thanks. > > -- > ---------- > Matt M. > LinuxKnight > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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What if you don't have an hour for lunch, or you don't have > internet access? > > It is most likely too late to change it for March but perhaps for April? > > I also hear a lot about the EMEA Ambassadors, LinuxTag and all these > cool events in Europe. What about N&S America? > Are there not many ambassadors in these areas? > > Thanks. > > -- > ---------- > Matt M. > LinuxKnight From matthiaskranz at gmx.de Sun Mar 2 15:44:24 2008 From: matthiaskranz at gmx.de (Matthias Kranz) Date: Sun, 02 Mar 2008 16:44:24 +0100 Subject: [Ambassadors] Ambassador Meeting EMEA 2008-03-12 In-Reply-To: <47CA8BD5.5050809@fedoraproject.org> References: <47C9F1AC.7030905@fedoraproject.org> <1204447900.8528.17.camel@dhcp-0-189.muc.redhat.com> <47CA8BD5.5050809@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <1204472664.8528.23.camel@dhcp-0-189.muc.redhat.com> On Sun, 2008-03-02 at 12:13 +0100, Fabian Affolter wrote: > Matthias Kranz wrote: > > On Sun, 2008-03-02 at 01:15 +0100, Fabian Affolter wrote: > >> Hi all, > >> > >> There is a conflict between the OpenExpo [1] at Berne (Switzerland) in > >> Europe where I will attend and the monthly Ambassadors meeting [2] for EMEA. > >> > >> Because of this I'm looking for a person who is willing to lead the > >> meeting. If you want to be the chair for this meeting add your name to > >> the meeting page [2]. Your job will basically only be to lead the > >> ambassadors through the meeting. But also remind them to follow the > >> protocol [3], work through the agenda, save the log, and wish everybody > >> a nice morning/evening or a good night when the meeting is over ;-) . > >> About the summary we can discuss after the meeting. > >> > >> If nobody steps up we have to cancel this meeting. > > > > I can lead this one. Will add my name to the mentioned page. > > Matthias Kranz will lead the meeting. Many thanks to him. > > Don't forget to attend and add your topics to the meeting page [1] > before the meeting has started. If you add your topics to the list, please add your name there, too. Otherwise it will be very difficult to discuss the items, given that possibly nobody else is able to talk about it ;). Many thanks. See you then. Matthias -- Matthias Kranz http://mkr.oerks.de From kanarip at kanarip.com Sun Mar 2 15:51:17 2008 From: kanarip at kanarip.com (Jeroen van Meeuwen) Date: Sun, 02 Mar 2008 16:51:17 +0100 Subject: [Ambassadors] To the EMEA NPO Board about NPO Logo In-Reply-To: <200803021535.03839.jsimon@fedoraproject.org> References: <200803021535.03839.jsimon@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <47CACCF5.1040404@kanarip.com> JoergSimon wrote: > I noticed a mail about a extra logo for the EMEA NPO - over the NPO > Board-List - which is closed for normal members like me. > That the list is closed - is absolut ok - if you discuss things like which > bank account you will choose or when your next Boardmeeting will happen. > But if you discuss things that affects the way how Fedora EMEA NPO presents > the Fedora Project or the NPO itself like this Logo Proposal i insist that > you do this in the open! > You're right, and we will. Mind that you haven't read the follow-up on that list, and it says there exactly what you've worded here. I sure hope that in the future, if you hear about what is being discussed (or actually in this case; just being submitted to) on our little private mailing list, you will appreciate that it is: 1) being directed to this list instead, by the other board members, or 2) put on the agenda for a board meeting (mind the agenda is being sent to this list as well) Also note that e-mail coming from either *@fedoraproject.org or *@redhat.com email addresses is directly accepted on the board's list[1] so that in effect it is a very good feedback / contact address for all of us, too. So, what we're working at now is setting a date to register at the German Authorities (it'll include some traveling for all of us), during which we'll most probably have a short board meeting as well. The agenda is being made up as we go and ideas firm up about what it is we can do and how we can do such. This agenda will be sent around by the time the date for registering and meeting is set, and will therefore have some time to collect feedback on the items on the agenda from all of you. Kind regards, Jeroen van Meeuwen -kanarip From kanarip at kanarip.com Sun Mar 2 15:56:48 2008 From: kanarip at kanarip.com (Jeroen van Meeuwen) Date: Sun, 02 Mar 2008 16:56:48 +0100 Subject: [Ambassadors] To the EMEA NPO Board about NPO Logo In-Reply-To: <47CACCF5.1040404@kanarip.com> References: <200803021535.03839.jsimon@fedoraproject.org> <47CACCF5.1040404@kanarip.com> Message-ID: <47CACE40.5060000@kanarip.com> Jeroen van Meeuwen wrote: > Also note that e-mail coming from either *@fedoraproject.org or > *@redhat.com email addresses is directly accepted on the board's list[1] which is board-list at fedoraemea.org btw, I forgot to add that to this message. Kind regards, Jeroen van Meeuwen -kanarip From paulds at bu.edu Sun Mar 2 16:07:04 2008 From: paulds at bu.edu (Paul Stauffer) Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2008 11:07:04 -0500 Subject: [Ambassadors] What you missed on FUDcon2008 In-Reply-To: <1204447519.8528.15.camel@dhcp-0-189.muc.redhat.com> References: <1204447519.8528.15.camel@dhcp-0-189.muc.redhat.com> Message-ID: <20080302160704.GA23839@jadzia.bu.edu> On Sun, Mar 02, 2008 at 09:45:19AM +0100, Matthias Kranz wrote: > http://www.redhatmagazine.com/2008/02/29/video-what-you-missed-at-fudcon-2008/ Argh, "FUDCon 2008"??? So what are we planning in Boston right now, "FUDCon 2008.1"? I thought we had standardized the naming of these events *two years ago* as "FUDCon [City] [Year]" so as to avoid confusion. I guess Red Hat's marketing department never got that memo... [grumble grumble] - Paul -- Paul Stauffer Manager of Research Computing Computer Science Department Boston University From thomas.canniot at mrtomlinux.org Sun Mar 2 17:17:20 2008 From: thomas.canniot at mrtomlinux.org (Thomas Canniot) Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2008 18:17:20 +0100 Subject: [Ambassadors] Re: [Fedora-fr-list] REMINDER French Meeting today 1830 #fedora-meeting In-Reply-To: <20080302145256.ca2d2181.thomas.canniot@mrtomlinux.org> References: <20080302145256.ca2d2181.thomas.canniot@mrtomlinux.org> Message-ID: <20080302181720.7e21b620@annifrid.mrtomlinux> Le Sun, 2 Mar 2008 14:52:56 +0100, Thomas Canniot a ?crit : > This mail is a reminder for today?s meeting for French ambassadors and > _every_ interested people. > > 2008-03-02 / 18:30 UTC > > > IRC: freenode > #fedora-meeting > > > Ce mail est un rappel pour la r?union des ambassadeurs francophones, > qui aura lieu ce dimanche (02 mars) ? 20h30 heure de Paris sur IRC > (freenode) #fedora-meeting . > > L'ordre du jour est disponible depuis cette page : > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/FrenchTeam/Reunions > > N'h?sitez pas ? la modifier pour rajouter des sujets qui vous semblent > int?ressants. > > Thomas Canniot > > For which I won't be there as I am helping a friend of mine to leave her house. Could you try to decide how many dvds you will need for your local events during the meeting ? Thanks. Thomas -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available URL: From mspevack at redhat.com Sun Mar 2 18:20:36 2008 From: mspevack at redhat.com (Max Spevack) Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2008 13:20:36 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Ambassadors] Fedora Belgium In-Reply-To: <20080229232424.257092b8.thomas.canniot@mrtomlinux.org> References: <3161376e0802290453u34d48020x9a8ccb5bf651be9c@mail.gmail.com> <20080229201252.GA19008@hurricane.linuxnetz.de> <20080229232424.257092b8.thomas.canniot@mrtomlinux.org> Message-ID: On Fri, 29 Feb 2008, Thomas Canniot wrote: > Local entities are good as they can do this face to face job with > local members. That's what we do here, and I should not make a mistake > saying that european people first feels being from their countries > before feeling European. I consider myself as being more French than > European, however, Europe IS bigger than France and gives many laws to > us. I am very interested in allowing local people to be empowered -- I am glad that there is a French Fedora team that understands all the events in France, and that can come back to someone like me or FAMSCo and ask for resources. I am glad that there is a LinuxTag and FOSDEM organizational team that does similar things. I want that to continue to grow, and I want people all over the world to be able to get resources for local events and to promote Fedora locally: This is one of the goals of the Red Hat Community Architecture team, which I am a member of. But all of that is very different than going through the process of setting up a separate legal entity for each country, which I personally don't think gives us much value. But that is just my opinion. ;) --Max From jsimon at fedoraproject.org Sun Mar 2 22:42:34 2008 From: jsimon at fedoraproject.org (JoergSimon) Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2008 23:42:34 +0100 Subject: [Ambassadors] CLT08 Day2 Message-ID: <200803022342.38985.jsimon@fedoraproject.org> CLT08 Day2 CLT is over and i wished i could say we all arrived savely, but right now Jens Kuehnel makes a odysee accross Germany to reach Amsterdam in the netherlands latest tomorrow, because RedHat needs a trainer there! But Storm "Emma" destroyed the ways so he started an 01:00pm in Chemnitz - direction north - Leipzig - then further to Frankfurt Main - but much to late, because some ways are destroyed - so he must take a train to South of Germany Stuttgart to take a train direct to Amsterdam. What really angry is, i started with Robert Scheck at 06:00pm in the evening and reached Stuttgart two hours ago! After all, like Jens said yesterday - if you want contribute on a OpenSource Event, never Start with CLT - you will compare every event with this "best of the best" organized events and don?t want miss it anymore. In the other hand, i can?t imagine to have a better start. How was it? This event had the largest Debian presence i ever seen on a event. So every time i spoke with people who showed potential to contribute to the Fedora Project they commited "oh i use (contribute) only (to) Debian i would only hear what you do" :( Characteristic for Chemnitz is also, a high presence of women who are interested in Free Software - Chitlesh do you remember last year? And so i tried also to blabbing they in the Fedora Project but as before they use Debian, Ubuntu or one of the three BSD?s - geeky women! If you ask for potential of the "others", yes there is, but we need easier access as example for "Users" who want translate or do documentation work. Robert had his own little "install fest" with a guy who really needed his help. Jens gave his talk - and again i did?nt seen it. See some pictures - and notice this event shows much potential for contributors and i would suggest to raise the presence next year. cu Joerg -- J?rg Simon jsimon at fedoraproject.org http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/JoergSimon Key Fingerprint: 3691 0989 2DCA 58A2 8D1F 2CAC C823 558E 5B5B 5688 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part. URL: From kanarip at kanarip.com Sun Mar 2 22:59:23 2008 From: kanarip at kanarip.com (Jeroen van Meeuwen) Date: Sun, 02 Mar 2008 23:59:23 +0100 Subject: [Ambassadors] CLT08 Day2 In-Reply-To: <200803022342.38985.jsimon@fedoraproject.org> References: <200803022342.38985.jsimon@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <47CB314B.5030202@kanarip.com> JoergSimon wrote: > CLT08 Day2 > > CLT is over and i wished i could say we all arrived savely, but right now Jens > Kuehnel makes a odysee accross Germany to reach Amsterdam in the netherlands > latest tomorrow, because RedHat needs a trainer there! But Storm "Emma" > destroyed the ways so he started an 01:00pm in Chemnitz - direction north - > Leipzig - then further to Frankfurt Main - but much to late, because some > ways are destroyed - so he must take a train to South of Germany Stuttgart to > take a train direct to Amsterdam. What really angry is, i started with Robert > Scheck at 06:00pm in the evening and reached Stuttgart two hours ago! > > After all, like Jens said yesterday - if you want contribute on a OpenSource > Event, never Start with CLT - you will compare every event with this "best of > the best" organized events and don?t want miss it anymore. In the other hand, > i can?t imagine to have a better start. > > How was it? This event had the largest Debian presence i ever seen on a event. > So every time i spoke with people who showed potential to contribute to the > Fedora Project they commited "oh i use (contribute) only (to) Debian i would > only hear what you do" :( > Characteristic for Chemnitz is also, a high presence of women who are > interested in Free Software - Chitlesh do you remember last year? And so i > tried also to blabbing they in the Fedora Project but as before they use > Debian, Ubuntu or one of the three BSD?s - geeky women! If you ask for > potential of the "others", yes there is, but we need easier access as example > for "Users" who want translate or do documentation work. Robert had his own > little "install fest" with a guy who really needed his help. Jens gave his > talk - and again i did?nt seen it. > > See some pictures - and notice this event shows > much potential for contributors and i would suggest to raise the presence > next year. > Very nice! Once Jens is in the Netherlands though, he won't have any trouble other then the speed limit... I sure hope he makes it safe and sound. -- Kind regards, Jeroen van Meeuwen -kanarip From valent.turkovic at gmail.com Mon Mar 3 04:31:29 2008 From: valent.turkovic at gmail.com (Valent Turkovic) Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2008 05:31:29 +0100 Subject: [Ambassadors] What you missed on FUDcon2008 In-Reply-To: <1204447519.8528.15.camel@dhcp-0-189.muc.redhat.com> References: <1204447519.8528.15.camel@dhcp-0-189.muc.redhat.com> Message-ID: <64b14b300803022031i4ce6d09bu21b13781fd26b051@mail.gmail.com> On Sun, Mar 2, 2008 at 9:45 AM, Matthias Kranz wrote: > Hi! > > Check out > > http://www.redhatmagazine.com/2008/02/29/video-what-you-missed-at-fudcon-2008/ > > There is a video ... including Jim Whitehurst, the new CEO of Red Hat, Any chance of more videos getting out for us who weren't able to be there? Edited videos are nice promo but the rest of us who to who you already sold fedora now need the raw stuff :) Give us the full lenght videos so we can see how it really was there and so that we get the info that we all need so we can do better work for Fedora Project. Cheers, Valent. -- http://kernelreloaded.blog385.com/ linux, blog, anime, spirituality, windsurf, wireless registered as user #367004 with the Linux Counter, http://counter.li.org. ICQ: 2125241, Skype: valent.turkovic From valent.turkovic at gmail.com Mon Mar 3 04:34:01 2008 From: valent.turkovic at gmail.com (Valent Turkovic) Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2008 05:34:01 +0100 Subject: [Ambassadors] To the EMEA NPO Board about NPO Logo In-Reply-To: <200803021535.03839.jsimon@fedoraproject.org> References: <200803021535.03839.jsimon@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <64b14b300803022034nb58b539wa87718d5ebd212@mail.gmail.com> 2008/3/2 JoergSimon : > I noticed a mail about a extra logo for the EMEA NPO - over the NPO > Board-List - which is closed for normal members like me. > That the list is closed - is absolut ok - if you discuss things like which > bank account you will choose or when your next Boardmeeting will happen. > But if you discuss things that affects the way how Fedora EMEA NPO presents > the Fedora Project or the NPO itself like this Logo Proposal i insist that > you do this in the open! > > Joerg > -- > J?rg Simon > jsimon at fedoraproject.org > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/JoergSimon > Key Fingerprint: > 3691 0989 2DCA 58A2 8D1F 2CAC C823 558E 5B5B 5688 > > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > > +1 -- http://kernelreloaded.blog385.com/ linux, blog, anime, spirituality, windsurf, wireless registered as user #367004 with the Linux Counter, http://counter.li.org. ICQ: 2125241, Skype: valent.turkovic From fedora.lin at gmail.com Mon Mar 3 10:23:31 2008 From: fedora.lin at gmail.com (Juan Carlos Lin) Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2008 07:23:31 -0300 Subject: [Ambassadors] North & South America meeting time In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Ok, Please be at 20:00 UTC today and propose it 2008/3/2, Matt McKenzie : > > Hello, > > I have recently joined the Fedora Ambassadors. > > I would like to know if it is possible to use a different time for the > N&SAm meeting on #fedora-meeting. > I live on the west coast (Oregon), and it would be difficult to attend > this meeting on Monday at 12:00pm PST (20:00UTC) in the middle of the work > day. > > Perhaps we can discuss a better meeting time for those of us in the > western hemisphere, since N&SAm are several hours off from UTC depending on > where we live? 20:00UTC is good if you live near Greenwich, UK but it is > difficult to attend an online meeting in the middle of the business day. > For PST it is 12:00pm, which could mean lunch hour, but what about CST and > EST? 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Message-ID: <8e1ee2a30803030635j245f9692wbf35196010fd7dda@mail.gmail.com> Hi *, today talking on freenode's #fedora i came to know that there is'nt any standard HCL (Hardware Compatibility List) for fedora 8, possibly reason Fedora's 13 month life cycle, but i thought there must be one for at least more stable hardware? Regards, -- Nayyar Ahmad RHCE (ID:804006858622745) Skype: nayyares Blog: nayyares.blogspot.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Mon Mar 3 14:44:49 2008 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Mon, 03 Mar 2008 20:14:49 +0530 Subject: [Ambassadors] is there HCL for Fedora 8? In-Reply-To: <8e1ee2a30803030635j245f9692wbf35196010fd7dda@mail.gmail.com> References: <8e1ee2a30803030635j245f9692wbf35196010fd7dda@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <47CC0EE1.1060600@fedoraproject.org> Nayyar Ahmad wrote: > Hi *, > > today talking on freenode's #fedora i came to know that there is'nt any > standard HCL (Hardware Compatibility List) for fedora 8, possibly reason > Fedora's 13 month life cycle, but i thought there must be one for at > least more stable hardware? Lifecycle doesn't really have much to do with it but the sheer amount of effort required to maintain a accurate compatibility matrix without a associated test suite is just too high to be doing this manually. Smolt allows anyone to submit their hardware profile, rate it and document anything to do with their hardware including workarounds, additional drivers etc in the smolt wiki. Efforts like these are probably more effective. Rahul From mahayalamkhan at gmail.com Mon Mar 3 15:06:25 2008 From: mahayalamkhan at gmail.com (mak) Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2008 21:06:25 +0600 Subject: [Ambassadors] is there HCL for Fedora 8? In-Reply-To: <47CC0EE1.1060600@fedoraproject.org> References: <8e1ee2a30803030635j245f9692wbf35196010fd7dda@mail.gmail.com> <47CC0EE1.1060600@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: On 03/03/2008, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > > Nayyar Ahmad wrote: > > Hi *, > > > > today talking on freenode's #fedora i came to know that there is'nt any > > standard HCL (Hardware Compatibility List) for fedora 8, possibly reason > > Fedora's 13 month life cycle, but i thought there must be one for at > > least more stable hardware? > > > Lifecycle doesn't really have much to do with it but the sheer amount of > effort required to maintain a accurate compatibility matrix without a > associated test suite is just too high to be doing this manually. even Redhat discontinued the http://www.redhat.com/hcl Smolt allows anyone to submit their hardware profile, rate it and > document anything to do with their hardware including workarounds, > additional drivers etc in the smolt wiki. Efforts like these are > probably more effective. > > Rahul > > > > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > -- Regards mak ----------------------- Hacking is good Hackers human -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Mon Mar 3 15:15:36 2008 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Mon, 03 Mar 2008 20:45:36 +0530 Subject: [Ambassadors] is there HCL for Fedora 8? In-Reply-To: References: <8e1ee2a30803030635j245f9692wbf35196010fd7dda@mail.gmail.com> <47CC0EE1.1060600@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <47CC1618.3060701@fedoraproject.org> mak wrote: > On 03/03/2008, *Rahul Sundaram* > wrote: > > Nayyar Ahmad wrote: > > Hi *, > > > > today talking on freenode's #fedora i came to know that there > is'nt any > > standard HCL (Hardware Compatibility List) for fedora 8, possibly > reason > > Fedora's 13 month life cycle, but i thought there must be one for at > > least more stable hardware? > > > Lifecycle doesn't really have much to do with it but the sheer amount of > effort required to maintain a accurate compatibility matrix without a > associated test suite is just too high to be doing this manually. > > > even Redhat discontinued the http://www.redhat.com/hcl Nah.It simply moved to a different place https://hardware.redhat.com/ Rahul From jsimon at fedoraproject.org Mon Mar 3 18:03:45 2008 From: jsimon at fedoraproject.org (JoergSimon) Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2008 19:03:45 +0100 Subject: [Ambassadors] More CLT 08 Pictures Message-ID: <200803031903.49786.jsimon@fedoraproject.org> Find more CLT08 Pictures at http://chemnitzer.linux-tage.de/2008/info/bilder.html CU Joerg -- J?rg Simon jsimon at fedoraproject.org http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/JoergSimon Key Fingerprint: 3691 0989 2DCA 58A2 8D1F 2CAC C823 558E 5B5B 5688 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Regards Francesco Ugolini p.s Thank you for your detailed report :) From fhornain at gmail.com Tue Mar 4 11:23:22 2008 From: fhornain at gmail.com (Frederic Hornain) Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2008 12:23:22 +0100 Subject: [Ambassadors] Fedora Belgium In-Reply-To: <3161376e0803040320j5d74e84agab74a95046b62f9c@mail.gmail.com> References: <3161376e0802290453u34d48020x9a8ccb5bf651be9c@mail.gmail.com> <20080229201252.GA19008@hurricane.linuxnetz.de> <20080229232424.257092b8.thomas.canniot@mrtomlinux.org> <3161376e0803040320j5d74e84agab74a95046b62f9c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <3161376e0803040323v4bce3b4dg4a9d275ab2e60f9c@mail.gmail.com> Opps, I hit the "Enter" key inconveniently. I am going to resent this previous post as soon as it will be finished. Sorry again for that. KR Frederic On Tue, Mar 4, 2008 at 12:20 PM, Frederic Hornain wrote: > Dear Max, > > That is exactly the point what I wanted to approach. > Let's explain me why I launch the local entity debate. > > Well, one of my recurrent annual project is to promote Fedora locally > - Belgium - which is not in contradiction with what you wrote, isn't > it. > I organize and participate to commercial and non commercial event > with Red Hat Belgium and spread the words when it is possible. > In addition, I am trying to improve Fedora in Belgium from errors, > misses, etc I had from previous years. > However, I am beginning to be a little bit stuck. > > For instance, I do not have any resources in order to promote Fedora > locally. I requested them several time via > > > That the reason why for my point of view, we need to be more > organized, more empowered, more professional, more transparent. > And that is one of the reasons of the Fedora EMEA NPO creation. > > For instance, the FOSDEM has to be managed as a project. > So it needs annual scope, time and budget. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sun, Mar 2, 2008 at 7:20 PM, Max Spevack wrote: > > On Fri, 29 Feb 2008, Thomas Canniot wrote: > > > > > Local entities are good as they can do this face to face job with > > > local members. That's what we do here, and I should not make a mistake > > > saying that european people first feels being from their countries > > > before feeling European. I consider myself as being more French than > > > European, however, Europe IS bigger than France and gives many laws to > > > us. > > > > I am very interested in allowing local people to be empowered -- I am > > glad that there is a French Fedora team that understands all the events > > in France, and that can come back to someone like me or FAMSCo and ask > > for resources. > > > > I am glad that there is a LinuxTag and FOSDEM organizational team that > > does similar things. > > > > I want that to continue to grow, and I want people all over the world to > > be able to get resources for local events and to promote Fedora locally: > > > > This is one of the goals of the Red Hat Community Architecture team, > > which I am a member of. > > > > But all of that is very different than going through the process of > > setting up a separate legal entity for each country, which I personally > > don't think gives us much value. But that is just my opinion. ;) > > > > --Max > > > > > > > > -- > > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > > > > > > -- > ----------------------------------------------------- > > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > > > Olpc mailing list > olpc-open at laptop.org > -- ----------------------------------------------------- Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com Olpc mailing list olpc-open at laptop.org From fhornain at gmail.com Tue Mar 4 11:20:23 2008 From: fhornain at gmail.com (Frederic Hornain) Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2008 12:20:23 +0100 Subject: [Ambassadors] Fedora Belgium In-Reply-To: References: <3161376e0802290453u34d48020x9a8ccb5bf651be9c@mail.gmail.com> <20080229201252.GA19008@hurricane.linuxnetz.de> <20080229232424.257092b8.thomas.canniot@mrtomlinux.org> Message-ID: <3161376e0803040320j5d74e84agab74a95046b62f9c@mail.gmail.com> Dear Max, That is exactly the point what I wanted to approach. Let's explain me why I launch the local entity debate. Well, one of my recurrent annual project is to promote Fedora locally - Belgium - which is not in contradiction with what you wrote, isn't it. I organize and participate to commercial and non commercial event with Red Hat Belgium and spread the words when it is possible. In addition, I am trying to improve Fedora in Belgium from errors, misses, etc I had from previous years. However, I am beginning to be a little bit stuck. For instance, I do not have any resources in order to promote Fedora locally. I requested them several time via That the reason why for my point of view, we need to be more organized, more empowered, more professional, more transparent. And that is one of the reasons of the Fedora EMEA NPO creation. For instance, the FOSDEM has to be managed as a project. So it needs annual scope, time and budget. On Sun, Mar 2, 2008 at 7:20 PM, Max Spevack wrote: > On Fri, 29 Feb 2008, Thomas Canniot wrote: > > > Local entities are good as they can do this face to face job with > > local members. That's what we do here, and I should not make a mistake > > saying that european people first feels being from their countries > > before feeling European. I consider myself as being more French than > > European, however, Europe IS bigger than France and gives many laws to > > us. > > I am very interested in allowing local people to be empowered -- I am > glad that there is a French Fedora team that understands all the events > in France, and that can come back to someone like me or FAMSCo and ask > for resources. > > I am glad that there is a LinuxTag and FOSDEM organizational team that > does similar things. > > I want that to continue to grow, and I want people all over the world to > be able to get resources for local events and to promote Fedora locally: > > This is one of the goals of the Red Hat Community Architecture team, > which I am a member of. > > But all of that is very different than going through the process of > setting up a separate legal entity for each country, which I personally > don't think gives us much value. But that is just my opinion. ;) > > --Max > > > > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > -- ----------------------------------------------------- Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com Olpc mailing list olpc-open at laptop.org From fhornain at gmail.com Tue Mar 4 12:01:48 2008 From: fhornain at gmail.com (Frederic Hornain) Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2008 13:01:48 +0100 Subject: [Ambassadors] Fedora Belgium In-Reply-To: <3161376e0803040323v4bce3b4dg4a9d275ab2e60f9c@mail.gmail.com> References: <3161376e0802290453u34d48020x9a8ccb5bf651be9c@mail.gmail.com> <20080229201252.GA19008@hurricane.linuxnetz.de> <20080229232424.257092b8.thomas.canniot@mrtomlinux.org> <3161376e0803040320j5d74e84agab74a95046b62f9c@mail.gmail.com> <3161376e0803040323v4bce3b4dg4a9d275ab2e60f9c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <3161376e0803040401q6e29ac32se216ccf988b0c35d@mail.gmail.com> So : Dear Max, That is exactly the point what I wanted to approach. Let's explain me why I launch the local entity debate. Well, one of my recurrent annual project is to promote Fedora locally - Belgium - which is not in contradiction with what you wrote, isn't it. I organize and participate to commercial and non commercial event with Red Hat Belgium and spread the words when it is possible. In addition, I am trying to improve Fedora in Belgium from errors, misses, etc I had from previous years. However, I am beginning to be a little bit stuck. For instance, I do not have any resources in order to promote Fedora locally. I requested them several time via official and non-official ways but I did not receive it. Not yet, anyway. Another example is donation. So, my conclusion was to produce DVD and goodies myself with donation instead of waiting for nothing. Nonetheless in order to do that I should have to create an entity or an organization in order to buy, sell stuffs, receive donation and also to be transparent from Fedora community. That was the reason of my initial post on this discussion cause we need to be more organized, more empowered, more professional, more transparent than we are today. For instance, the FOSDEM has to be managed as a project. So it needs annual scope, time and budget. For the moment, we are nowhere. But if Fedora EMEA NPO or Red Hat Community Architecture team is attributing us a annual budget for that, it is ok for us otherwise we could not respond correctly to the demands - Fedora accommodation for instance - . Obviously on the other side,we would have to be transparent if you give us that power All that to say, I need to know in which way we go. Please clarify me it , Max Thanks for your comprehension. BR Frederic From valent.turkovic at gmail.com Tue Mar 4 14:50:53 2008 From: valent.turkovic at gmail.com (Valent Turkovic) Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2008 15:50:53 +0100 Subject: [Ambassadors] Fedora Belgium In-Reply-To: <3161376e0803040401q6e29ac32se216ccf988b0c35d@mail.gmail.com> References: <3161376e0802290453u34d48020x9a8ccb5bf651be9c@mail.gmail.com> <20080229201252.GA19008@hurricane.linuxnetz.de> <20080229232424.257092b8.thomas.canniot@mrtomlinux.org> <3161376e0803040320j5d74e84agab74a95046b62f9c@mail.gmail.com> <3161376e0803040323v4bce3b4dg4a9d275ab2e60f9c@mail.gmail.com> <3161376e0803040401q6e29ac32se216ccf988b0c35d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <64b14b300803040650k2abc930ds959b7c650ade4d39@mail.gmail.com> On Tue, Mar 4, 2008 at 1:01 PM, Frederic Hornain wrote: > So : > > > Dear Max, > > That is exactly the point what I wanted to approach. > Let's explain me why I launch the local entity debate. > > Well, one of my recurrent annual project is to promote Fedora locally > - Belgium - which is not in contradiction with what you wrote, isn't > it. > I organize and participate to commercial and non commercial event with > Red Hat Belgium and spread the words when it is possible. > In addition, I am trying to improve Fedora in Belgium from errors, > misses, etc I had from previous years. > However, I am beginning to be a little bit stuck. > > For instance, I do not have any resources in order to promote Fedora > locally. I requested them several time via official and non-official > ways but I did not receive it. Not yet, anyway. > > Another example is donation. > > So, my conclusion was to produce DVD and goodies myself with donation > instead of waiting for nothing. > Nonetheless in order to do that I should have to create an entity or > an organization in order to buy, sell stuffs, receive donation and > also to be transparent from Fedora community. > That was the reason of my initial post on this discussion cause we > > need to be more organized, more empowered, more professional, more > transparent than we are today. > > > For instance, the FOSDEM has to be managed as a project. So it needs > annual scope, time and budget. > For the moment, we are nowhere. > > But if Fedora EMEA NPO or Red Hat Community Architecture team is > attributing us a annual budget for that, it is ok for us otherwise we > could not respond correctly to the demands - Fedora accommodation for > instance - . > > Obviously on the other side,we would have to be transparent if you > give us that power > > All that to say, I need to know in which way we go. > Please clarify me it , Max > > Thanks for your comprehension. > > BR > Frederic I'm a new Fedora Ambassador but have years of NGO experience to know what Frederic is talking about. So +1 from me. Valent. -- http://kernelreloaded.blog385.com/ linux, blog, anime, spirituality, windsurf, wireless registered as user #367004 with the Linux Counter, http://counter.li.org. ICQ: 2125241, Skype: valent.turkovic From fcrippa at byte-code.com Tue Mar 4 16:37:41 2008 From: fcrippa at byte-code.com (Francesco Crippa) Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2008 17:37:41 +0100 (CET) Subject: [Ambassadors] More CLT 08 Pictures In-Reply-To: <1251451528.9911204648591200.JavaMail.root@mail.byte-code.com> Message-ID: <1404006364.9931204648661162.JavaMail.root@mail.byte-code.com> ----- "JoergSimon" wrote: > Find more CLT08 Pictures at > http://chemnitzer.linux-tage.de/2008/info/bilder.html > > CU Joerg :-) wonderful booth! Next year I'll be there! Well done Joerg! See you on Linux Tag bye Francesco -- Francesco Crippa http://people.byte-code.com/fcrippa From jsimon at fedoraproject.org Tue Mar 4 18:16:39 2008 From: jsimon at fedoraproject.org (JoergSimon) Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2008 19:16:39 +0100 Subject: [Ambassadors] Fedora Belgium In-Reply-To: <3161376e0803040401q6e29ac32se216ccf988b0c35d@mail.gmail.com> References: <3161376e0802290453u34d48020x9a8ccb5bf651be9c@mail.gmail.com> <3161376e0803040323v4bce3b4dg4a9d275ab2e60f9c@mail.gmail.com> <3161376e0803040401q6e29ac32se216ccf988b0c35d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200803041916.48255.jsimon@fedoraproject.org> Am Dienstag, 4. M?rz 2008 13:01:48 schrieb Frederic Hornain: > For instance, I do not have any resources in order to promote Fedora > locally. I requested them several time via official and non-official > ways but I did not receive it. Not yet, anyway. > For instance, the FOSDEM has to be managed as a project. So it needs > annual scope, time and budget. > For the moment, we are nowhere. Ask yourself, - who was the Projectowner and then ask the Projectowner - how was the communication in front of the event, - what was done to delegate tasks to participants - how was the commitment of the Projectowner to be with the core of contributors at times arround the event Get the answers and you know what to do. cu Joerg -- J?rg Simon jsimon at fedoraproject.org http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/JoergSimon Key Fingerprint: 3691 0989 2DCA 58A2 8D1F 2CAC C823 558E 5B5B 5688 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part. 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Thanks, ~Jeffrey From mspevack at redhat.com Tue Mar 4 20:51:27 2008 From: mspevack at redhat.com (Max Spevack) Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2008 15:51:27 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Ambassadors] Fedora Events In-Reply-To: <1204663411.5105.8.camel@F8NB.homenet.local> References: <1204663411.5105.8.camel@F8NB.homenet.local> Message-ID: On Tue, 4 Mar 2008, Gerold Kassube wrote: > since a couple of weeks I think about our Event page, and every time > when I get the mail of the changes (yes, I subscribed for changes *g*) > I think about again ... > > What do you think about splitting that global list in a reginal list? I did this last night :) --Max From mspevack at redhat.com Tue Mar 4 20:52:31 2008 From: mspevack at redhat.com (Max Spevack) Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2008 15:52:31 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Ambassadors] Fedora Events In-Reply-To: References: <1204663411.5105.8.camel@F8NB.homenet.local> Message-ID: On Tue, 4 Mar 2008, Max Spevack wrote: >> What do you think about splitting that global list in a reginal list? > > I did this last night :) Well, let me say it this way: I *started* this last night, but more could be done. But I did break it down by region, and by quarter. --Max From gerold at lugd.org Tue Mar 4 21:00:32 2008 From: gerold at lugd.org (Gerold Kassube) Date: Tue, 04 Mar 2008 22:00:32 +0100 Subject: [Ambassadors] Fedora Events In-Reply-To: <10e0a9b00803041250i723cd578g40b60da4f501b0fd@mail.gmail.com> References: <1204663411.5105.8.camel@F8NB.homenet.local> <10e0a9b00803041250i723cd578g40b60da4f501b0fd@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1204664432.5105.14.camel@F8NB.homenet.local> damned ... he's sooooo fast :-) yesterday I told him about my idea, and today it's done ... Outstanding, Max! Now we only find out what's the best view ... - first in region than in quarters or - first in quarters than in region .. What is more important for me to know? The Region or the overview of all events. both btw. but in that kind of view we have to decide. Maybe a calender with different colors for the regions? Is that possible in moin-moin? Am Dienstag, den 04.03.2008, 15:50 -0500 schrieb Jeffrey Tadlock: > 2008/3/4 Gerold Kassube : > > since a couple of weeks I think about our Event page, and every time > > when I get the mail of the changes (yes, I subscribed for changes *g*) I > > think about again ... > > > > What do you think about splitting that global list in a reginal list? > > Max split it up into being organized by quarter and then region > yesterday. Is that the format you had in mind? > > Thanks, > ~Jeffrey > > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > -- Gerold Kassube -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Because I am the person accountable for helping FAMSCO make sure the budget is all spent appropriately, I chose to separate it by quarter first. --Max From rodrigopadula at projetofedora.org Wed Mar 5 03:49:48 2008 From: rodrigopadula at projetofedora.org (Rodrigo Padula de Oliveira) Date: Tue, 04 Mar 2008 22:49:48 -0500 Subject: [Ambassadors] Fedora Events In-Reply-To: References: <1204663411.5105.8.camel@F8NB.homenet.local> <10e0a9b00803041250i723cd578g40b60da4f501b0fd@mail.gmail.com> <1204664432.5105.14.camel@F8NB.homenet.local> Message-ID: <47CE185C.1030201@projetofedora.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Max Spevack escreveu: | On Tue, 4 Mar 2008, Gerold Kassube wrote: | |> Outstanding, Max! | | ;) | |> Now we only find out what's the best view ... |> - first in region than in quarters or |> - first in quarters than in region .. |> |> What is more important for me to know? The Region or the overview of |> all events. both btw. but in that kind of view we have to decide. |> Maybe a calender with different colors for the regions? Is that |> possible in moin-moin? | | Because I am the person accountable for helping FAMSCO make sure the | budget is all spent appropriately, I chose to separate it by quarter first. For me, it's ok! Organized and very simple to edit! | | --Max | | -- | Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list | Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com | https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list | -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFHzhhbPg3HAC1vlg4RAqTRAKCTTEOp8FynA+EJBhBFWvMYrVDf8ACgm3U3 pggp5y49KKDJM+42SpK2J5w= =AK1Z -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From mspevack at redhat.com Wed Mar 5 02:32:51 2008 From: mspevack at redhat.com (Max Spevack) Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2008 21:32:51 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Ambassadors] CDs and DVDs for South America Message-ID: Hi Ambassadors: One of the topics that we talked about in the last Ambassadors meeting was CDs and DVDs for use at the big events that are upcoming in South America. April 17-19 FISL April 26 FLISOL May 2-4 ENSOL May 20-21 ESLAM The status, as I understood it, was: (1) Artwork has been made that the South American Ambassadors all liked, and that was quite consistent with Fedora's color and logo guidelines. (2) There was an opportunity to have 10,000 discs made for *free*, which is absolutely incredible. The questions I have: (1) Who is making sure that the media is produced? (2) Who is making sure that the media gets to each of the 4 events above? (3) Will it be possible to make Fedora 9 media once the final release comes out (at the end of April)? (4) Is there anything needed from either FAMSCo or from the Red Hat Community Architecture team to help with this? Thanks, Max From svbrand at alumnos.inf.utfsm.cl Wed Mar 5 04:17:07 2008 From: svbrand at alumnos.inf.utfsm.cl (Sven von Brand) Date: Wed, 05 Mar 2008 01:17:07 -0300 Subject: [Ambassadors] North&Soputh America Meeting reminder In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <47CE1EC3.9080001@alumnos.inf.utfsm.cl> Juan Carlos Lin wrote: > Just remind the North & South America meeting at 20:00 UTC today Monday > 03/03/2008 > > The meeting will cover the topic set to the same as 04/02/2008., please > fill free to add items to discuse. I'm sorry to say this, but I wasn't able to be in the meeting, I'm a Fedora Ambassador for Chile in South America and I can't find any log, could anyone point me where to look. Thanks -- Sven von Brand Laredo Estudiante de Ing. Civil Informatica, UTFSM Fedora Ambassador for Chile Coordinador Ciclo Charlas Tecnicas, DI, UTFSM From ncorrare at fedoraproject.org Wed Mar 5 13:32:27 2008 From: ncorrare at fedoraproject.org (Nicolas A. Corrarello) Date: Wed, 05 Mar 2008 11:32:27 -0200 Subject: [Ambassadors] CDs and DVDs for South America In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1204723947.14003.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> Max: With budget from Red Hat Marketing we're hoping to make 300 Live cd's with the release of F9 to use in Argentina for FLISOL and others... These are CD's printed with Fedora Artwork (in the cd's face) but not in a box or anything, just a sleeve. I'm hoping to assist to fisl. I'll coordinate with David to check if he need anything that I can get from Red Hat here (we've a few Fedora banners and such...). I'm also hoping to get a little time space, to talk about cluster, or Fedora-ds. Anyway, last year we distributed some F6 dvd's in FLISOL but installs where through network (PXE, HTTP, NFS), It saved us a lot of time. Let me know if I can help with anything -- - -- Nicolas A. Corrarello Fedora Ambassador Argentina c: +54 (911) 6017-2120 e: ncorrare at fedoraproject.org GPG Key: DFC893EE h: fedoraproject.org/wiki/NicolasCorrarello/ GPG Fingerprint: 5C93 42DA 98E1 4EEF B24B 7F8C E145 B2F9 DFC8 93EE Import my key: $ gpg --keyserver pgp.mit.edu --recv-key 0xDFC893EE On Tue, 2008-03-04 at 21:32 -0500, Max Spevack wrote: > Hi Ambassadors: > > One of the topics that we talked about in the last Ambassadors > meeting > was CDs and DVDs for use at the big events that are upcoming in South > America. > > April 17-19 FISL > April 26 FLISOL > May 2-4 ENSOL > May 20-21 ESLAM > > The status, as I understood it, was: > > (1) Artwork has been made that the South American Ambassadors all > liked, > and that was quite consistent with Fedora's color and logo guidelines. > > (2) There was an opportunity to have 10,000 discs made for *free*, > which > is absolutely incredible. > > The questions I have: > > (1) Who is making sure that the media is produced? > > (2) Who is making sure that the media gets to each of the 4 events > above? > > (3) Will it be possible to make Fedora 9 media once the final release > comes out (at the end of April)? > > (4) Is there anything needed from either FAMSCo or from the Red Hat > Community Architecture team to help with this? > > Thanks, > Max > > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list - - -- Nicolas A. 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I will keep in touch with more information Best regards P. -----Mensaje original----- De: fedora-ambassadors-list-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:fedora-ambassadors-list-bounces at redhat.com] En nombre de Max Spevack Enviado el: mi?rcoles, 05 de marzo de 2008 3:33 Para: fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com Asunto: [Ambassadors] CDs and DVDs for South America Hi Ambassadors: One of the topics that we talked about in the last Ambassadors meeting was CDs and DVDs for use at the big events that are upcoming in South America. April 17-19 FISL April 26 FLISOL May 2-4 ENSOL May 20-21 ESLAM The status, as I understood it, was: (1) Artwork has been made that the South American Ambassadors all liked, and that was quite consistent with Fedora's color and logo guidelines. (2) There was an opportunity to have 10,000 discs made for *free*, which is absolutely incredible. The questions I have: (1) Who is making sure that the media is produced? (2) Who is making sure that the media gets to each of the 4 events above? (3) Will it be possible to make Fedora 9 media once the final release comes out (at the end of April)? (4) Is there anything needed from either FAMSCo or from the Red Hat Community Architecture team to help with this? Thanks, Max -- Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list __________ Informacisn de NOD32, revisisn 2923 (20080305) __________ Este mensaje ha sido analizado con NOD32 antivirus system http://www.nod32.com From mspevack at redhat.com Wed Mar 5 15:47:58 2008 From: mspevack at redhat.com (Max Spevack) Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2008 10:47:58 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Ambassadors] CDs and DVDs for South America In-Reply-To: <1204723947.14003.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1204723947.14003.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: On Wed, 5 Mar 2008, Nicolas A. Corrarello wrote: > With budget from Red Hat Marketing we're hoping to make 300 Live cd's > with the release of F9 to use in Argentina for FLISOL and others... > These are CD's printed with Fedora Artwork (in the cd's face) but not > in a box or anything, just a sleeve. I'm hoping to assist to fisl. > I'll coordinate with David to check if he need anything that I can get > from Red Hat here (we've a few Fedora banners and such...). I'm also > hoping to get a little time space, to talk about cluster, or > Fedora-ds. Anyway, last year we distributed some F6 dvd's in FLISOL > but installs where through network (PXE, HTTP, NFS), It saved us a lot > of time. Let me know if I can help with anything That all sounds great -- I would say keep up with all of that. Greg DeKoenigsberg is going to be at FISL, and he is the guy in charge of the FISL budget. I know that he is working directly with David Barzilay to make sure that there is plenty of funding to produce DVDs, banners, flyers, etc. all locally for these events. Thanks! --Max From linux at elfshadow.net Wed Mar 5 19:23:39 2008 From: linux at elfshadow.net (Jeffrey Tadlock) Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2008 14:23:39 -0500 Subject: [Ambassadors] N. and S. America Ambassador IRC Meeting Log 2008-03-03 Message-ID: <10e0a9b00803051123o78b64950g4fd88993e935af82@mail.gmail.com> The IRC Meeting log from the March 3rd, 2008 North and South American Ambassador meeting is below. 15:03 < JuanCarlosLin> ready for the N&S A meeting? 15:03 < JuanCarlosLin> Please state your anmes 15:03 < rMenezes> yeap 15:03 < pcalarco> +1 15:04 < rMenezes> RodrigoMenezes 15:04 < spevack> MaxSpevack 15:04 < pcalarco> PascalCalarco 15:04 < gregdek> GregDeKoenigsberg 15:04 < JuanCarlosLin> only five of us? 15:05 < inode0> JohnRose 15:05 < JuanCarlosLin> how about to wait 5 minutes... 15:05 * spevack looks at the events page to see which people are in charge of upcoming events and try to find them 15:05 < spevack> where is Rodrigo Padula? 15:06 < spevack> stickster, f13: quick ping 15:06 < stickster> spevack: pong 15:06 -!- nim-nim [n=nim-nim at fedora/nim-nim] has quit [Excess Flood] 15:07 < spevack> we're looking at the Events page for Q1, and the only thing on there for North America right now is LFNW. Just wanted to see if there was anything you wanted to say about that in this meeting 15:07 < spevack> which is the North American/South American ambassadors 15:07 -!- valent [n=valentt at 252-34.dsl.iskon.hr] has joined #fedora-meeting 15:07 -!- nim-nim [n=nim-nim at fedora/nim-nim] has joined #fedora-meeting 15:08 < valent> hello from croatia 15:08 < spevack> stickster: how's the planning going? what do you need, if anything, etc? 15:09 < stickster> f13 and I talked about LFNW last week 15:09 < JuanCarlosLin> well, let? try again, please state your names for meeting 15:09 < pcalarco> PascalCalarco 15:09 < stickster> PaulFrields 15:09 < rMenezes> RodrigoMenezes 15:09 < inode0> JohnRose 15:09 < spevack> MaxSpevack is still here 15:10 < JuanCarlosLin> gregdek still there? 15:10 < stickster> spevack: We were debating about how to handle release schedule vs. the timing of the conference 15:10 < spevack> stickster: yes, that is a complex issue. what's the current thinking, seeing as Jesse is the point man for both 15:10 < stickster> There's some precedence set for having a sort of custom Fedora available at the show, as done for RHSummit '07 15:10 < spevack> *nod* 15:10 < gregdek> pong, sorry 15:11 < JuanCarlosLin> Ok, let's start meeting 15:11 < stickster> Anyway, we were trying to decide whether to do that as discs, or USB and offer for donations 15:11 < JuanCarlosLin> 1.-, Fedora Events 15:12 -!- valen1 [n=valentt at 213-203.dsl.iskon.hr] has joined #fedora-meeting 15:12 < spevack> JuanCarlosLin: perhaps we can let Paul finish talking about LFNW, and then we can talk about the other events. 15:12 < stickster> That crowd is a more hand-on user type crowd, so we'll be concentrating on "cool features" talk(s) 15:12 < JuanCarlosLin> Ok..., 15:13 < spevack> stickster: ok... well as you know, we definitely have budget to help with the media for the event. 15:13 < spevack> sounds like the hardest part will be finalizing the bits you want 15:13 < spevack> which will make it difficult to create media in advance 15:13 < stickster> Right, and the timing thereof vs. lead time for disc production if desired 15:13 < spevack> maybe we should try to find a bunch of 1GB usb keys cheap 15:13 < spevack> and you guys can burn USB keys for folks at the event 15:13 < stickster> *nod 15:13 < spevack> s/burn/install 15:14 < JuanCarlosLin> Only for records, I receive from Rodrigo Padula a design for Fedora DVD/ CD, and once aproved (within this days) will start production, first release 5000 DVD 5000 CD, in 2 weeks 15:14 < stickster> I think that was our preference. 15:14 < stickster> It might be good for us to establish a relationship with a vendor that can do screenprinted USB keys 15:14 < stickster> ISTR my old office ordering some from a place like that with preprinted classification notices 15:15 < spevack> stickster: indeed. at the very least, we can try someone out for this event and see how the service and quality is. 15:15 < stickster> Let me see what I can dig up for you then. 15:15 < spevack> stickster: is this something you want to own, or do you need someone to volunteer to take it? 15:15 < stickster> If someone can own it, I will at least find the vendor I used for this in my previous life 15:15 < stickster> The quality of the media was fine 15:16 < JuanCarlosLin> http://jaymeayres.com/arquivos/fedora_core_8__dvd4cores.jpg 15:16 < stickster> And I think they specialized in smaller sticks to make things affordable. 15:16 * spevack eventually needs a ballpark idea of cost, so we can plan budget distribution for the quarter 15:16 < spevack> stickster: why don't you dig up that info and send it to me? 15:16 * stickster adds TODO to get vendor info 15:16 < spevack> we'll go from there 15:16 < stickster> spevack: Done 15:16 -!- EvilBob changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: North And South American Ambassadors Meeting - Channel is used by various Fedora groups and committees for their regular meetings | Note that meetings often get logged | For questions about using Fedora please ask in #fedora | See http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/FedoraMeetingChannel for meeting schedule 15:16 < spevack> ok, thanks for the update. we'll let you get back to your stuff and give JuanCarlosLin control of the meeting back :) 15:16 * stickster disappears ("Pop!") 15:16 < JuanCarlosLin> ok... 15:16 < spevack> JuanCarlosLin: what's next? :) 15:17 < JuanCarlosLin> But i very good to discuse this thing ant the meeting 15:17 < JuanCarlosLin> well, 15:17 < JuanCarlosLin> Rodrigo PAdula, sent me image for DVD/CD 15:17 < JuanCarlosLin> please 15:17 < JuanCarlosLin> check at 15:17 < JuanCarlosLin> http://jaymeayres.com/arquivos/fedora_core_8__dvd4cores.jpg 15:17 < JuanCarlosLin> If ok, will release 5000 DVD / 5000 CD. 15:18 < JuanCarlosLin> then must set how to distribute it 15:18 < rMenezes> ! 15:18 < JuanCarlosLin> any one have idea? 15:18 < JuanCarlosLin> rMenezes 15:18 < rMenezes> is this amount for what? only brazil? 15:19 < JuanCarlosLin> well, is the quantity I got for free, there some guy form venezuela en argentina that need them, but we can sent some to toher countries... 15:19 < rMenezes> I'm asking this because some texts in this image is in pt_BR 15:20 < rMenezes> not spanish for example 15:20 < spevack> JuanCarlosLin: will you use all 10,000 at FISL??? Or are they for all South American shows? 15:21 < JuanCarlosLin> speavak, is for the ambassador program usages... and at this meeting we must set how to use it 15:21 < rMenezes> I think that 2k for FISL is enough, but'll use in every event and ship some through mail 15:21 < JuanCarlosLin> rMenezes: may be we can set one in spanish, and one in english 15:21 < JuanCarlosLin> or, all of them in the same art 15:21 -!- valen1 [n=valentt at 213-203.dsl.iskon.hr] has left #fedora-meeting [] 15:22 < rMenezes> there is two sentences in pt_BR, we could change that for english and use all around the world 15:22 < rMenezes> take a look "DVD de instala??o" and "ARQUITETURA" 15:23 < rMenezes> if we change that to english, we can use this layout for every place 15:23 < JuanCarlosLin> yes, what you guys thing about? 15:23 < pcalarco> +1 15:23 < gregdek> I have a question. 15:24 < JuanCarlosLin> yes gregdek 15:24 -!- jcollie [n=jcollie at 161.210.6.122] has joined #fedora-meeting 15:24 < gregdek> Are we currently talking about events? 15:24 < gregdek> Or is this a more generic discussion about "how to use DVDs"? 15:25 < JuanCarlosLin> no, is to set DVD/CD for events 15:25 < JuanCarlosLin> ther is another program free-media for that 15:26 < rMenezes> , these DVD will be crafted for FISL in Brazil, and we want to use this for all other events in South America (not only Brazil) 15:26 -!- valent [n=valentt at 252-34.dsl.iskon.hr] has quit [Connection timed out] 15:26 < gregdek> rMenezes: Over what period of time? 15:26 < pcalarco> ! 15:26 < JuanCarlosLin> yes 15:27 < JuanCarlosLin> yes pcalarco 15:27 < pcalarco> One suggestion: if we add Spanish and French to this (if there is room), we could use this one art for all North American events 15:28 < pcalarco> and English of course :) 15:28 < pcalarco> and South American events . . . 15:28 < JuanCarlosLin> pcalarco: I thing that will be room space problem. 15:29 < pcalarco> yes, perhaps 15:29 < gregdek> So who is coming to FISL? 15:30 < rMenezes> sorry, telephone 15:30 < rMenezes> only in march we have 3 big events 15:30 < rMenezes> maybe 10k is too much, but we use these midias in all south america these could be used 15:30 < spevack> rMenezes: 3 big events in march? why are none of them on FedoraEvents page? ;) 15:31 < rMenezes> FISL, ESLAM, FLISOL 15:31 < rMenezes> yes, they are there 15:31 < gregdek> So two in April, one in May? 15:31 < JuanCarlosLin> but is not on march... 15:32 < rMenezes> sorry, March 2008 - May 2008 15:32 < JuanCarlosLin> Let define the CD/DVD, who is on only english version? 15:32 < inode0> I'm ambivalent about the language issue here 15:33 < f13> ! 15:33 < inode0> English speakers can understand that fine 15:33 < JuanCarlosLin> f13: 15:33 < f13> I hate to ask this, but are you burning source DVDs too? 15:34 < JuanCarlosLin> please exlain your self 15:34 < f13> or otherwise have a plan to fulfull source reqirements when handing out binary DVDs? 15:34 * EvilBob smiles 15:34 < JuanCarlosLin> well, initail idea is Install DVD + Rescue CD 15:35 < f13> JuanCarlosLin: Fedora releases are released under the GPLv2, and under said license you have to either provide source at the time of hte binary offering, or provide a written offer to get the source that is good for 3 years 15:35 < EvilBob> The GPL has a source requirement 15:35 < inode0> how is that normally handled, say with the Summit special version? 15:35 < f13> JuanCarlosLin: for simplicity, I would suggest burning a small number of source isos that can be offered at the time you are offering binary DVDs. Nobody has to take them, but as long as you offered, you're in the clear. 15:35 < f13> inode0: 'poorly' 15:36 < f13> inode0: quite frankly, we didn't handle it and just hoped nobody would ask. 15:36 * EvilBob asked 15:36 -!- rdieter [n=rdieter at sting.unl.edu] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 15:36 < spevack> f13: we would say "please visit our website where you can download everything" ;) 15:36 < EvilBob> spevack: not acceptable 15:36 < JuanCarlosLin> +1 15:36 < f13> I'm working to change things so that folks can reference an offer from Fedora itself, but that isn't in place right now. 15:36 * spevack would like to see this conversation steer back to the 3 big events in South America, and the logistics for them. 15:37 < f13> ok, I've planted the seed, that's all. 15:37 < spevack> f13: thanks for the heads up 15:37 < JuanCarlosLin> Ok, let discusse the source in the next meeting, 15:38 < gregdek> So who is responsible for producing the CDs/DVDs, and why don't we simply leave the language question to their best judgment? 15:38 < JuanCarlosLin> well, there is new events that need help? 15:39 < rMenezes> I'll make two presentations in local Colleges in my city, in march 19 and 26 15:39 < rMenezes> just small events 15:39 < JuanCarlosLin> ok, some one else have to coment new events? 15:39 -!- GeroldKa [n=GeroldKa at fedora/geroldka] has joined #fedora-meeting 15:40 < JuanCarlosLin> Ok, let go to next point 15:40 < JuanCarlosLin> 2.- Materials 15:40 < JuanCarlosLin> There some issue about to exchange ideas? 15:40 -!- JSchmitt [n=s4504kr at fedora/JSchmitt] has quit ["Konversation terminated!"] 15:40 < spevack> ! 15:41 < JuanCarlosLin> spevack 15:41 < spevack> who is responsible for the CDs and DVDs? Rodrigo Padula or someone else? 15:41 < JuanCarlosLin> Rodrigo Padula sent to me the art, and I will be responsible for the production 15:42 < spevack> JuanCarlosLin: then i have a question for you 15:42 < JuanCarlosLin> ok 15:42 < spevack> it is easy, of course, to use the "official 15:42 < spevack> Fedora 8 ISO 15:42 < spevack> but 15:42 < spevack> do you think it is worthwhile to try to make a customized ISO for Brazilian Portuguese? 15:42 < spevack> this will take some extra work 15:42 < spevack> and you are more likely than me 15:43 < spevack> to know if it is "worth it" for something like FISL 15:43 < rMenezes> ! 15:43 < JuanCarlosLin> Well, we have a problem that the local factory only manage 4 colors, so I ask hem to help me 15:43 < spevack> because we must find someone to do the work 15:43 < spevack> JuanCarlosLin: it has nothing to do with colors 15:43 < spevack> JuanCarlosLin: it has to do with the *data* that goes on the ISO 15:44 < spevack> JuanCarlosLin: am i explaining my question properly? 15:44 < JuanCarlosLin> spevack: the problem was only the silk-screen printing colorthat was no available 15:44 < JuanCarlosLin> yes, rMenezes: 15:45 < rMenezes> I'm talking with Rodrigo Padula on MSN, he told me that 3k DVDs is enough 15:45 < rMenezes> 10k for Brazil only is too much 15:45 < gregdek> ? 15:46 < JuanCarlosLin> gregdek? 15:46 < gregdek> Remind me who's paying for these DVDs? :) 15:46 < JuanCarlosLin> will be free 15:46 < gregdek> Brilliant -- but how? 15:47 < rMenezes> for Fedora 8, 5k DVD only will be enough for all events 15:47 < JuanCarlosLin> Iwork in a group that produce 10.000k CD/DVD / month, and when I ask to colaborate to the program, got free CD/DVD 15:47 < spevack> JuanCarlosLin: wonderful! 15:48 < gregdek> ESLAM will be in late May -- can we have F9 discs in time? 15:48 < JuanCarlosLin> And, now, I think we can ship it writeable, and without data, how about this way to solve diferences? 15:48 < JuanCarlosLin> and each one, for each event, write costum ISO 15:49 < JuanCarlosLin> gregdek: I am not sure 15:49 < gregdek> ! 15:49 < JuanCarlosLin> agree with no data CD /DVD ? 15:49 < JuanCarlosLin> gregdek: 15:50 < gregdek> Are there any other topics to cover? We've spent about 1/2hr on DVDs... 15:50 < JuanCarlosLin> yes... 15:50 < JuanCarlosLin> let final thi item 15:50 < JuanCarlosLin> agree with no data CD /DVD ? 15:50 < gregdek> Whatever is easiest for you. 15:50 < gregdek> JuanCarlosLin: You're going to be the one producing, yes? 15:51 < JuanCarlosLin> gregdek: yes 15:51 < gregdek> Then +1 to whatever you say. :) 15:51 < JuanCarlosLin> gregdek: :) 15:51 < gregdek> I'm sure people who receive the DVDs will be grateful to have whatever you can give them. 15:52 < JuanCarlosLin> well, let go the next item... 15:52 < JuanCarlosLin> material tracking... There some other issue to talk about? 15:52 < JuanCarlosLin> ok, 15:53 < JuanCarlosLin> let to next: some one neeed to verify membership? 15:53 < JuanCarlosLin> Ok,, next, Polo Shirt 15:53 < JuanCarlosLin> Some one can explain about Plo Shirts? 15:54 < JuanCarlosLin> Some one can explain about Polo Shirts? 15:54 < gregdek> Is the idea that all Fedora "members" get polo shirts for these events? 15:54 < pcalarco> from discussion on the list, we need to find some vendors who can make these locally in N & S America 15:55 < JuanCarlosLin> Ok., who can be in cahrge of thi for next meeting 15:56 < pcalarco> I can update with information from the existing vendor in Ohio, USA 15:56 < JuanCarlosLin> +1 15:56 < gregdek> That's good for NA -- what about SA? 15:56 < gregdek> Let me ask David Barzilay from Red Hat Brasil if there's a vendor he uses. 15:57 < JuanCarlosLin> ok., then gregdek/ pcalarco: please detail in next meeting 15:57 < gregdek> OK. 15:57 < pcalarco> +1 15:58 < JuanCarlosLin> next topic. Event Report Requirment. 15:58 < JuanCarlosLin> Some one can explain 15:58 < gregdek> We want to know all about every event that ambassadors attend. 15:58 -!- jcollie [n=jcollie at 161.210.6.122] has quit ["Ex-Chat"] 15:59 < pcalarco> ! 15:59 < rMenezes> ! 15:59 < gregdek> pcalarco? 16:00 < JuanCarlosLin> pcalarc: 16:00 < pcalarco> Question: do we want to list this on the Events wiki or the ambassadors list, or both? 16:00 < f13> ! 16:00 * gregdek thinks the polite irc rules slow us down. :) 16:01 < JuanCarlosLin> rMenezes: 16:01 < JuanCarlosLin> pcalarco: in both will be good, but at lease on the ambassadors, 16:01 < JuanCarlosLin> rMenezes: 16:02 < pcalarco> ok, thank you 16:02 < JuanCarlosLin> f13: 16:02 < rMenezes> question: we do a lot of meetings in local Colleges, these meetings has 50, 100 or even 200 studants, is this meetings included in this reports? 16:02 < f13> It would be good if somebody could draft up a template for doing event reports. Don't have to make it mandatory, but having a tempate or example to work from would help a lot. 16:02 < JuanCarlosLin> rMenezes: will be good report it, but if is not official, can report in on mail list 16:03 < spevack> f13: we talked about that in FAMSCO the other day 16:03 < JuanCarlosLin> + 16:03 < rMenezes> ok 16:03 < spevack> it's coming 16:03 < inode0> question: I gave a talk to a private group, don't mind reporting it but uncomfortable reporting in very public way without their consent 16:03 < f13> spevack: cheers. 16:04 < JuanCarlosLin> inode0: report only the event, to guide other amabassador to sharp their efforts 16:05 < JuanCarlosLin> spevack: please let us know when have the template 16:05 < spevack> JuanCarlosLin: i will 16:06 < JuanCarlosLin> ok, I will like to add a last topic: need a co-leader: please volunteers 16:06 < pcalarco> ! 16:07 < JuanCarlosLin> pcalarco 16:07 < pcalarco> could you detail the responsibilities? 16:08 < JuanCarlosLin> well, leade meeting when I am not available, sent reminders, edit meeting page, transcripts, etc. 16:08 < gregdek> ! 16:09 < pcalarco> I am willing to assist with this, but will defer to anyone else who might be able to 16:09 < JuanCarlosLin> gregdek: 16:09 < gregdek> Two things. 16:09 < JuanCarlosLin> yes 16:10 < gregdek> 1. I'm willing to help. 16:10 < gregdek> 2. Why are North America and South America meeting together? 16:10 < inode0> low participation? 16:11 < gregdek> Does everyone agree? Is that the reason? 16:11 < JuanCarlosLin> gregdek: 1.- thank, 2.- about time zone 16:12 < pcalarco> ! 16:12 < JuanCarlosLin> pcalarco: 16:13 < pcalarco> perhaps I am naive aboyt this, but is it also to create a more global sense of the fedora project effort? The same as why Europe Africa and the Middle East are one unit as well? 16:13 -!- rMenezes [n=rMenezes at 189-31-3-39.cbace701.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br] has quit ["ChatZilla 0.9.81 [Firefox 2.0.0.12/2008020121]"] 16:14 * gregdek hrms. 16:14 < inode0> well, the North America meeting just kept getting canceled for lack of participation so that is a real problem I think 16:14 < JuanCarlosLin> well, the last year, several meeting were cancellled 16:15 < gregdek> Here's what I want to avoid: 16:15 < JuanCarlosLin> to solve this, were splitted in tow time zones 16:15 < JuanCarlosLin> I hope this can help 16:15 < JuanCarlosLin> but meeting as today is very construtive 16:16 -!- Nushio [n=John at 189.160.11.185] has joined #fedora-meeting 16:16 < gregdek> If NA is having problems keeping ambassadors interested, I don't want those problems to prevent SA from being successful. 16:17 < pcalarco> +1 16:17 < gregdek> This meeting was mostly about SA. I'm glad, since there are a lot of big events coming up. 16:17 < gregdek> I would love to focus on those, because there's a lot of potential. 16:18 < gregdek> And since I'm coming to FISL, I want to make sure that everyone is ready. :) 16:20 < gregdek> Did I chase everyone away? :) 16:20 < inode0> NA ambassadors want to help, not hinder SA ... and I am grateful to be included in a larger group that can meet 16:20 < JuanCarlosLin> Yes...I just want to focus something: windows has the goverment as allia, in envery school you can find windows, but not all of htem you can find Fedora or Generic Linux, the child learn in this way and reject naturaly Linux. This is the firm topic to aim to transform Fedora in a Great Project 16:20 < pcalarco> 16:20 -!- geek_cl [n=lletelie at 200.75.18.211] has joined #fedora-meeting 16:21 < pcalarco> ! 16:22 < JuanCarlosLin> pcalarco 16:22 < pcalarco> there was some traffic on the ambassador list about need for a potential time change for this meeting; do we want to consider this, or is it inevitabvle that some time zones will have inconvenient times? 16:23 < geek_cl> Greetins from Chile 16:23 < JuanCarlosLin> we can discusse next meeting new time schedule to fit 16:24 < pcalarco> +1 16:24 < gregdek> Pick the time that gives us maximum participation. Use the mailing list. 16:24 < JuanCarlosLin> ok... there is not more item to discuesse., let finish the meeting, and talk freely to exchange ideas 16:24 < JuanCarlosLin> yes i will. 16:25 < JuanCarlosLin> thank you alll 16:26 < pcalarco> thank you, Juan Carlos 16:27 < inode0> so we meet again on the 7th of April? 16:27 < JuanCarlosLin> yes, 16:30 < gregdek> ... 16:31 < gregdek> A month? 16:31 < gregdek> Doesn't that seem like a long time? 16:33 < pcalarco> we agreed to meet once a month at the January meeting 16:34 < inode0> with additional meetings as needed scheduled in between From linux at elfshadow.net Wed Mar 5 19:40:56 2008 From: linux at elfshadow.net (Jeffrey Tadlock) Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2008 14:40:56 -0500 Subject: [Ambassadors] North&Soputh America Meeting reminder In-Reply-To: <47CE1EC3.9080001@alumnos.inf.utfsm.cl> References: <47CE1EC3.9080001@alumnos.inf.utfsm.cl> Message-ID: <10e0a9b00803051140j49961d8bjafe31f1906e67b8@mail.gmail.com> On Tue, Mar 4, 2008 at 11:17 PM, Sven von Brand wrote: > I'm sorry to say this, but I wasn't able to be in the meeting, I'm a > Fedora Ambassador for Chile in South America and I can't find any log, > could anyone point me where to look. I've posted the raw IRC log to the Ambassadors list here: https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-ambassadors-list/2008-March/msg00062.html And an HTML version posted here: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/Meetings/2008-03-03/HTML_Log Thanks! Jeffrey From jorge.izaac at gmail.com Thu Mar 6 00:01:37 2008 From: jorge.izaac at gmail.com (izaac zavaleta) Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2008 17:01:37 -0700 Subject: [Ambassadors] North&Soputh America Meeting reminder In-Reply-To: <10e0a9b00803051140j49961d8bjafe31f1906e67b8@mail.gmail.com> References: <47CE1EC3.9080001@alumnos.inf.utfsm.cl> <10e0a9b00803051140j49961d8bjafe31f1906e67b8@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Excellent! great job Jeffrey! Thanks a lot. 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The Region or the overview of > |> all events. both btw. but in that kind of view we have to decide. > |> Maybe a calender with different colors for the regions? Is that > |> possible in moin-moin? > | > | Because I am the person accountable for helping FAMSCO make sure the > | budget is all spent appropriately, I chose to separate it by quarter > first. > > For me, it's ok! Organized and very simple to edit! > > | > | --Max > | > | -- > | Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > | Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > | https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > | > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (GNU/Linux) > > iD8DBQFHzhhbPg3HAC1vlg4RAqTRAKCTTEOp8FynA+EJBhBFWvMYrVDf8ACgm3U3 > pggp5y49KKDJM+42SpK2J5w= > =AK1Z > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > -- Nayyar Ahmad RHCE (ID:804006858622745) Skype: nayyares Blog: nayyares.blogspot.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Matt_Domsch at Dell.com Fri Mar 7 01:55:18 2008 From: Matt_Domsch at Dell.com (Matt_Domsch at Dell.com) Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2008 19:55:18 -0600 Subject: [Ambassadors] RE: Sponsorship... References: <162483.5207.qm@web83108.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Thanks for your offer to contribute to Fedora. I'm forwarding this to the Fedora Ambassadors team to follow up with you directly. Thanks, Matt -- Matt Domsch Linux Technology Strategist, Dell Office of the CTO linux.dell.com & www.dell.com/linux -----Original Message----- From: Frank Turcaz [mailto:frank at lacontainer.com] Sent: Thu 3/6/2008 7:50 PM To: admin at fedoraproject.org Subject: Sponsorship... Hey Admin, I'm trying to get a couple of linux projects sponsored with our products. We manufacture CD and DVD cases in Yorba Linda, California. Yes, all of our products are actually manufactured here in the US. If you could point me in the right direction that would be great. I would need to know what quantities you would need per month and see if we could sponsor a batch or two. We may even be able to hotstamp the fedora logo on the outside of these cases. Any info would be great. Here is a link to our disc holder site. www.discons.com Thanks, Frank Turcaz CAD/CAM Design Dept. www.lacontainer.com From matt at domsch.com Fri Mar 7 16:38:16 2008 From: matt at domsch.com (Matt Domsch) Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2008 10:38:16 -0600 Subject: [Ambassadors] FW: Sponsorship... Message-ID: <20080307163816.GA11163@domsch.com> Thanks for your offer to contribute to Fedora. I'm forwarding this to the Fedora Ambassadors team to follow up with you directly. Ambassadors - please follow up with Frank Turcaz . Thanks, Matt -- Matt Domsch Linux Technology Strategist, Dell Office of the CTO linux.dell.com & www.dell.com/linux -----Original Message----- From: Frank Turcaz [mailto:frank at lacontainer.com] Sent: Thu 3/6/2008 7:50 PM To: admin at fedoraproject.org Subject: Sponsorship... Hey Admin, I'm trying to get a couple of linux projects sponsored with our products. We manufacture CD and DVD cases in Yorba Linda, California. Yes, all of our products are actually manufactured here in the US. If you could point me in the right direction that would be great. I would need to know what quantities you would need per month and see if we could sponsor a batch or two. We may even be able to hotstamp the fedora logo on the outside of these cases. Any info would be great. Here is a link to our disc holder site. www.discons.com Thanks, Frank Turcaz CAD/CAM Design Dept. www.lacontainer.com ----- End forwarded message ----- From romal at fedoraproject.org Fri Mar 7 19:46:30 2008 From: romal at fedoraproject.org (Robert M. Albrecht) Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2008 20:46:30 +0100 Subject: [Ambassadors] Cebit 2008 Message-ID: Hi, I will attend Cebit 2008 this weekend at the KDE booth to represent Fedora. I will post some pictures in my blog.romal.de cu romal -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From valent.turkovic at gmail.com Fri Mar 7 22:35:36 2008 From: valent.turkovic at gmail.com (Valent Turkovic) Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2008 23:35:36 +0100 Subject: [Ambassadors] Speaking engagement at Northeastern University report In-Reply-To: <20080228102642.75c628a9@redhat.com> References: <20080227165216.17b10129@redhat.com> <20080228085819.481600b3@redhat.com> <20080228102642.75c628a9@redhat.com> Message-ID: <64b14b300803071435m6a6463cbr281c08bb031601e@mail.gmail.com> 2008/2/28 Jesse Keating : > On Thu, 28 Feb 2008 10:15:11 -0500 > "Jon Stanley" wrote: > > > Is there video of the presentation maybe? I'd like to "learn" how to > > do these - yes, I realize it's not rocket science, but structure and > > flow are everything, and where I tend to fall flat on my face :) > > Yes, actually there was somebody videoing the talk. I'm trying to get > a copy of that now. Any chance that video getting shared somewhere online soon? I have a workshop and talk about fedora and any help would be greatly appreciated. Valent. -- http://kernelreloaded.blog385.com/ linux, blog, anime, spirituality, windsurf, wireless registered as user #367004 with the Linux Counter, http://counter.li.org. ICQ: 2125241, Skype: valent.turkovic From jkeating at redhat.com Sat Mar 8 00:10:51 2008 From: jkeating at redhat.com (Jesse Keating) Date: Fri, 07 Mar 2008 19:10:51 -0500 Subject: [Ambassadors] Speaking engagement at Northeastern University report In-Reply-To: <64b14b300803071435m6a6463cbr281c08bb031601e@mail.gmail.com> References: <20080227165216.17b10129@redhat.com> <20080228085819.481600b3@redhat.com> <20080228102642.75c628a9@redhat.com> <64b14b300803071435m6a6463cbr281c08bb031601e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1204935051.3288.29.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Fri, 2008-03-07 at 23:35 +0100, Valent Turkovic wrote: > Any chance that video getting shared somewhere online soon? I have a > workshop and talk about fedora and any help would be greatly > appreciated. I'm still waiting :/ -- Jesse Keating Fedora -- All my bits are free, are yours? -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 197 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From jonstanley at gmail.com Sat Mar 8 00:15:36 2008 From: jonstanley at gmail.com (Jon Stanley) Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2008 19:15:36 -0500 Subject: [Ambassadors] Speaking engagement at Northeastern University report In-Reply-To: <1204935051.3288.29.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <20080227165216.17b10129@redhat.com> <20080228085819.481600b3@redhat.com> <20080228102642.75c628a9@redhat.com> <64b14b300803071435m6a6463cbr281c08bb031601e@mail.gmail.com> <1204935051.3288.29.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: 2008/3/7 Jesse Keating : > I'm still waiting :/ In the meantime can you share the outline that you used? From jkeating at redhat.com Sat Mar 8 00:49:44 2008 From: jkeating at redhat.com (Jesse Keating) Date: Fri, 07 Mar 2008 19:49:44 -0500 Subject: [Ambassadors] Speaking engagement at Northeastern University report In-Reply-To: References: <20080227165216.17b10129@redhat.com> <20080228085819.481600b3@redhat.com> <20080228102642.75c628a9@redhat.com> <64b14b300803071435m6a6463cbr281c08bb031601e@mail.gmail.com> <1204935051.3288.29.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1204937384.3288.31.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Fri, 2008-03-07 at 19:15 -0500, Jon Stanley wrote: > 2008/3/7 Jesse Keating : > > > I'm still waiting :/ > > In the meantime can you share the outline that you used? What makes a Linux Distribution? Based on Linux kernel Linus Torvalds 1991 Replacement for MINIX GNU Software 1984 Needed a kernel, bam, we have GNU/Linux POSIX, a history Portable Operating System Interface Started around 1985 Define an API for Unix operating system LSB Based on POSIX Extended for Linux specifics FHS Defines layout for files/directories on Linux Classes of Distributions Package Management RPM .deb Other Init System SysVinit BSDinit Upstart Completely Community Debian Individuals, Debian Developers Commercial RHEL Red Hat, based on Fedora, subscription model SLES Novell, loosely based on OpenSuSE, subscription model Commercially backed Community Fedora Individuals and paid (RH) developers. Elected && assigned project board / elected committees. OpenSuSE Paid (Novell) developers, community testers / repos. Assigned teams mostly? Ubuntu Paid (Canonical) developers for main/restricted, community for univers/multiverse. What sets Fedora apart? Only truly open commercially backed Community distro OpenSuSE - Can't commit to packages, do builds, etc... Ubuntu - Only employees can commit to core packages, do builds, etc... Fedora allows any contributor to commit to packages, do builds, join groups, govern, etc... Fedora Infrastructure, more than just a distribution, open source Central account system, gpg key, ssl cert Build system (why a "Service" isn't really needed) Project hosting Translation Services Direct pipeline to users/developers/testers -- Jesse Keating Fedora -- All my bits are free, are yours? -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Please let me know if you do so I can help make sure you have what you need for the event and coordinate with the NOTACON organizers. Thanks! Jeffrey [1] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/HelpWanted/Events [2] http://www.notacon.org/ [3] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FedoraEvents From thomas.canniot at mrtomlinux.org Sun Mar 9 13:25:22 2008 From: thomas.canniot at mrtomlinux.org (Thomas Canniot) Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2008 14:25:22 +0100 Subject: [Ambassadors] WARNING : No French Meeting today Message-ID: <20080309142522.37eaa800@agnetha.mrtomlinux> This mail is a warning to say that there won't be any meeting to for French Ambassadors due to township elections. Ce mail vous informe qu'il n'y aura pas de r?union ce soir pour cause d'?lections municipales. La liste reste disponibles pour toutes discussions ?ventuelles. Thomas Canniot -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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If you want to help/contribute just tell us (here or writing an email to FAmSCo). For more infos visit: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/SteeringCommittee/CleanUpPages Regards Francesco Ugolini From valent.turkovic at gmail.com Sun Mar 9 15:59:44 2008 From: valent.turkovic at gmail.com (Valent Turkovic) Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2008 16:59:44 +0100 Subject: [Ambassadors] Fedora Hoarding Artwork - an update? Message-ID: <64b14b300803090859q56a1d238n2dffa0fdcac05de1@mail.gmail.com> Hi, can somebody please explain what is the meaning of this page for fedora ambassadors: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/Hoarding I read it, opened the attachments and I still don't get it :( The artwork looks really old - like FC3 or FC4, and the quality is pretty bad :( Can artwork team do something with this so we get some nice graphics? Cheers, Valent. -- http://kernelreloaded.blog385.com/ linux, blog, anime, spirituality, windsurf, wireless registered as user #367004 with the Linux Counter, http://counter.li.org. ICQ: 2125241, Skype: valent.turkovic From jsimon at fedoraproject.org Sun Mar 9 16:08:46 2008 From: jsimon at fedoraproject.org (JoergSimon) Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2008 17:08:46 +0100 Subject: [Ambassadors] Fedora Ambassadors Hoardings and Wiki Contents updates needed In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200803091708.51919.jsimon@fedoraproject.org> Am Sonntag, 9. M?rz 2008 15:58:08 schrieb Francesco Ugolini: > It's time to update the Hoardings' wiki page with new/updated > contents: all ambassadors are invited to give their help creating new > hoardings. > > there isn't a fixed deadline but it would be great if in a month we > could be able to have some cool hoardings ready. This something the EventBox should cover - One Step was to develop the generic Poster Design wich came up in the last weeks. 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In-Reply-To: <64b14b300803090859q56a1d238n2dffa0fdcac05de1@mail.gmail.com> References: <64b14b300803090859q56a1d238n2dffa0fdcac05de1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: 2008/3/9, Valent Turkovic : > Hi, > can somebody please explain what is the meaning of this page for > fedora ambassadors: > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/Hoarding > > I read it, opened the attachments and I still don't get it :( > > The artwork looks really old - like FC3 or FC4, and the quality is pretty bad :( > >From the page: "Below you should find some hoarding in order to let people know you are present at an Open Source event meeting and so on ..." There isn't a specific goals: they are only hoardings (they are used to "let people know", in our case about your presence at an event etc...) > Can artwork team do something with this so we get some nice graphics? FAmSCo decided to ask preliminarily Ambassadors for ideas/models. Regards Francesco From inode0 at gmail.com Sun Mar 9 21:05:10 2008 From: inode0 at gmail.com (inode0) Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2008 16:05:10 -0500 Subject: [Ambassadors] Fedora Hoarding Artwork - an update? In-Reply-To: References: <64b14b300803090859q56a1d238n2dffa0fdcac05de1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Sun, Mar 9, 2008 at 1:53 PM, Francesco Ugolini wrote: > >From the page: "Below you should find some hoarding in order to let > people know you are present at an Open Source event meeting and so on > ..." > > There isn't a specific goals: they are only hoardings (they are used > to "let people know", in our case about your presence at an event > etc...) Sorry if this is off the track here but it seems to me that most ambassadors are very mobile while at events and it would be fruitful to find ways to advertise their connection with Fedora while they aren't sitting in a booth. Fedora branded badge lanyards, notebook stickers, and options for clothing would seem to be useful ways to catch the eyes of passersby. I know there is some effort in at least some of those areas too but I think it is really important to have people be able to visually spot someone as a "Fedora guy" and use that cue to start up a conversation. John From mspevack at redhat.com Mon Mar 10 00:25:47 2008 From: mspevack at redhat.com (Max Spevack) Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2008 20:25:47 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Ambassadors] Fedora Hoarding Artwork - an update? In-Reply-To: <64b14b300803090859q56a1d238n2dffa0fdcac05de1@mail.gmail.com> References: <64b14b300803090859q56a1d238n2dffa0fdcac05de1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Sun, 9 Mar 2008, Valent Turkovic wrote: > can somebody please explain what is the meaning of this page for > fedora ambassadors: > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/Hoarding > > I read it, opened the attachments and I still don't get it :( > > The artwork looks really old - like FC3 or FC4, and the quality is > pretty bad :( Wow... almost everything on that page is either so old as to no longer be useful, or totally in violation of Fedora usage (like Tux with the Fedora logo). I nominate the page for deletion, wikipedia-style. :) --Max From stickster at gmail.com Mon Mar 10 03:01:51 2008 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Sun, 09 Mar 2008 23:01:51 -0400 Subject: [Ambassadors] Fedora Hoarding Artwork - an update? In-Reply-To: References: <64b14b300803090859q56a1d238n2dffa0fdcac05de1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1205118111.27990.16.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Sun, 2008-03-09 at 20:25 -0400, Max Spevack wrote: > On Sun, 9 Mar 2008, Valent Turkovic wrote: > > > can somebody please explain what is the meaning of this page for > > fedora ambassadors: > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/Hoarding > > > > I read it, opened the attachments and I still don't get it :( > > > > The artwork looks really old - like FC3 or FC4, and the quality is > > pretty bad :( > > Wow... almost everything on that page is either so old as to no longer > be useful, or totally in violation of Fedora usage (like Tux with the > Fedora logo). > > I nominate the page for deletion, wikipedia-style. :) I second that. So much so that I did it. ;-) -- Paul W. 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KDE rendet a flat for a week and all kde-people stayed there. Seems that many Hannover residents leave the town for the cebit-week and rent their flat / home to companys. Food is very expensive, so you have to bring your own. Getting some slots for presentations or talks is fairly easy. Most people came to the KDE booth and asked non-kde questions (installation, can I run MS Office, drivers, ...) , so there is a large audience for spreading linux and open source in general. Debian had a small booth and ubuntu had both booths, althoug very badly placed. KDE and Gnome were perfectly placed. Opensuse was present with two PCs at Novell. I posted some pictures in my blog: blog.romal.de And sadly, Fedora ist not very know in Germany. Suse and Ubuntu are the big players. The weekend was mainly enduser, the other day are business-users. We had a lot more visitors on saturday than on sunday. As Cebit is the worlds largest computer fair, we should really get a presence their next year. cu romal From gerold at lugd.org Mon Mar 10 08:34:55 2008 From: gerold at lugd.org (Gerold) Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2008 09:34:55 +0100 (CET) Subject: [Ambassadors] Cebit Report 2008 In-Reply-To: <47D4EDFE.1070000@gmail.com> References: <47D4EDFE.1070000@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1359.217.162.12.42.1205138095.squirrel@www.gbc.net> ... > As Cebit is the worlds largest computer fair, we should really get a > presence their next year. ^^ I agree with one objection: The costs are somewhere in a budget and payable ... Regards Gerold From oliver at linux-kernel.at Mon Mar 10 13:17:38 2008 From: oliver at linux-kernel.at (Oliver Falk) Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2008 14:17:38 +0100 Subject: [Ambassadors] RE: LinuxTag hotel (readme if you will attend LT) In-Reply-To: <4565.217.162.12.42.1204105473.squirrel@www.gbc.net> References: <1367.62.2.77.2.1202458218.squirrel@www.gbc.net> <47C523E9.3000703@linux-kernel.at> <4565.217.162.12.42.1204105473.squirrel@www.gbc.net> Message-ID: <47D534F2.9010008@linux-kernel.at> Gerold wrote: > Hi Oliver, > >> Guys, this is YACO (Yet Another COnfirmation). :-) >> >> I'll be there. Flight is already booked. I'm coming together with one of >> my colleagues on 28th Mai early in the morning and fly back on Monday >> evening ('bout 20:00 I believe). Secretary is still searching for some >> hotel, but that should not be a real problem. > ^^ > fine :-) > do you want to come as visitor of Linuxtag or as Ambassador to help? What help is required? I'd like to come and help as an ambassador of course! [ ... ] >> Any wiki/list where I should put my name on? > ^^ > see the below mail, there are all your question concerning this question > answered .... > > but if you don't find the link > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FedoraEvents/LinuxTag/LinuxTag2008 here it > is again I'd like but... internal server error when trying to log in :-( -of From robert at fedoraproject.org Mon Mar 10 13:26:17 2008 From: robert at fedoraproject.org (Robert Scheck) Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2008 14:26:17 +0100 Subject: [Ambassadors] Cebit Report 2008 In-Reply-To: <1359.217.162.12.42.1205138095.squirrel@www.gbc.net> References: <47D4EDFE.1070000@gmail.com> <1359.217.162.12.42.1205138095.squirrel@www.gbc.net> Message-ID: <20080310132617.GA5792@hurricane.linuxnetz.de> On Mon, 10 Mar 2008, Gerold wrote: > > As Cebit is the worlds largest computer fair, we should really get a > > presence their next year. > ^^ > I agree with one objection: The costs are somewhere in a budget and > payable ... Maybe Max and Paul can increase the budget for Fedora for FY10 just a very little bit, that the 100 sqm are possible at Cebit as well? :-))) Cebit is quite expensive, booth and hotel. And on the other hand, business is not really the target audience of Fedora, sorry. Maybe CentOS should get there, but not Fedora as bleeding edge for hackers. Just my 5 Ct... Greetings, Robert From kanarip at kanarip.com Mon Mar 10 13:43:10 2008 From: kanarip at kanarip.com (Jeroen van Meeuwen) Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2008 14:43:10 +0100 Subject: [Ambassadors] Cebit Report 2008 In-Reply-To: <1359.217.162.12.42.1205138095.squirrel@www.gbc.net> References: <47D4EDFE.1070000@gmail.com> <1359.217.162.12.42.1205138095.squirrel@www.gbc.net> Message-ID: <47D53AEE.1060103@kanarip.com> Gerold wrote: > ... >> As Cebit is the worlds largest computer fair, we should really get a >> presence their next year. > ^^ > I agree with one objection: The costs are somewhere in a budget and > payable ... > That is not an objection, that's a problem ;-) Or, as I like to look at problems; it's a challenge :) Kind regards, Jeroen van Meeuwen -kanarip From fugolini at fedoraproject.org Mon Mar 10 14:49:28 2008 From: fugolini at fedoraproject.org (Francesco Ugolini) Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2008 15:49:28 +0100 Subject: [Ambassadors] Fedora Hoarding Artwork - an update? In-Reply-To: <1205118111.27990.16.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <64b14b300803090859q56a1d238n2dffa0fdcac05de1@mail.gmail.com> <1205118111.27990.16.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: 2008/3/10, Paul W. Frields : > On Sun, 2008-03-09 at 20:25 -0400, Max Spevack wrote: > > On Sun, 9 Mar 2008, Valent Turkovic wrote: > > > > > can somebody please explain what is the meaning of this page for > > > fedora ambassadors: > > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/Hoarding > > > > > > I read it, opened the attachments and I still don't get it :( > > > > > > The artwork looks really old - like FC3 or FC4, and the quality is > > > pretty bad :( > > > > Wow... almost everything on that page is either so old as to no longer > > be useful, or totally in violation of Fedora usage (like Tux with the > > Fedora logo). > > > > I nominate the page for deletion, wikipedia-style. :) > > > I second that. So much so that I did it. ;-) > > > -- > Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ > gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 > http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ > irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug I think it would be better to remove all the odd contents and create new ones (following the tademark guidelines etc.) Regards Francesco Ugolini From stickster at gmail.com Mon Mar 10 17:55:10 2008 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2008 17:55:10 +0000 Subject: [Ambassadors] LinuxWorld SF - Aug 4-7, 2008 Message-ID: <1205171710.27990.118.camel@localhost.localdomain> I see that Fedora is listed in the exhibitors section. Just curious: who is going to this event and/or doing something on Fedora's behalf there? -- Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From matt at domsch.com Mon Mar 10 18:27:21 2008 From: matt at domsch.com (Matt Domsch) Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2008 12:27:21 -0600 Subject: [Ambassadors] LinuxWorld SF - Aug 4-7, 2008 In-Reply-To: <1205171710.27990.118.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1205171710.27990.118.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <20080310182720.GB3941@domsch.com> On Mon, Mar 10, 2008 at 05:55:10PM +0000, Paul W. Frields wrote: > I see that Fedora is listed in the exhibitors section. Just curious: > who is going to this event and/or doing something on Fedora's behalf > there? I submitted a proposal to present MirrorManager. Have not heard of it's acceptance yet though. I have a few other Dell-related proposals submitted as well, which may or may not be accepted. If none are, I won't attend. -Matt From mspevack at redhat.com Mon Mar 10 20:34:00 2008 From: mspevack at redhat.com (Max Spevack) Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2008 16:34:00 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Ambassadors] LinuxWorld SF - Aug 4-7, 2008 In-Reply-To: <1205171710.27990.118.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1205171710.27990.118.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: On Mon, 10 Mar 2008, Paul W. Frields wrote: > I see that Fedora is listed in the exhibitors section. Just curious: > who is going to this event and/or doing something on Fedora's behalf > there? Whoever is going to be the overall responsible party for this event needs to add it to the FedoraEvents page and claim ownership. Jack, is this one you, or does someone else have the LinuxWorld ball? --Max From stickster at gmail.com Mon Mar 10 21:45:53 2008 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2008 17:45:53 -0400 Subject: [Ambassadors] LinuxWorld SF - Aug 4-7, 2008 In-Reply-To: References: <1205171710.27990.118.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1205185553.4555.14.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Mon, 2008-03-10 at 16:34 -0400, Max Spevack wrote: > On Mon, 10 Mar 2008, Paul W. Frields wrote: > > > I see that Fedora is listed in the exhibitors section. Just curious: > > who is going to this event and/or doing something on Fedora's behalf > > there? > > Whoever is going to be the overall responsible party for this event > needs to add it to the FedoraEvents page and claim ownership. > > Jack, is this one you, or does someone else have the LinuxWorld ball? I put it on the list, but left the owner field blank. I probably can't do this one. -- Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From stickster at gmail.com Tue Mar 11 11:16:01 2008 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2008 07:16:01 -0400 Subject: [Ambassadors] LinuxWorld SF - Aug 4-7, 2008 In-Reply-To: <1205197333.9362.288.camel@deepfort> References: <1205171710.27990.118.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1205185553.4555.14.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1205197333.9362.288.camel@deepfort> Message-ID: <1205234161.27573.10.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Mon, 2008-03-10 at 21:02 -0400, Jack Aboutboul wrote: > On Mon, 2008-03-10 at 17:45 -0400, Paul W. Frields wrote: > > On Mon, 2008-03-10 at 16:34 -0400, Max Spevack wrote: > > > On Mon, 10 Mar 2008, Paul W. Frields wrote: > > > > > > > I see that Fedora is listed in the exhibitors section. Just curious: > > > > who is going to this event and/or doing something on Fedora's behalf > > > > there? > > > > > > Whoever is going to be the overall responsible party for this event > > > needs to add it to the FedoraEvents page and claim ownership. > > > > > > Jack, is this one you, or does someone else have the LinuxWorld ball? > > > > I put it on the list, but left the owner field blank. I probably can't > > do this one. > > > Umm, I put it on the list. What list are you looking at? Well, that's just frickin' bizarre. I swear I put this on http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FedoraEvents yesterday. Meh, no matter, it's there now. -- Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From jmbabich at gmail.com Tue Mar 11 14:05:53 2008 From: jmbabich at gmail.com (John Babich) Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2008 17:05:53 +0300 Subject: [Ambassadors] Cebit Report 2008 In-Reply-To: <47D53AEE.1060103@kanarip.com> References: <47D4EDFE.1070000@gmail.com> <1359.217.162.12.42.1205138095.squirrel@www.gbc.net> <47D53AEE.1060103@kanarip.com> Message-ID: <9d2c731f0803110705q29dcd404n7cf2e4352a882c52@mail.gmail.com> On Mon, Mar 10, 2008 at 4:43 PM, Jeroen van Meeuwen wrote: > Gerold wrote: > > ... > >> As Cebit is the worlds largest computer fair, we should really get a > >> presence their next year. > > ^^ > > I agree with one objection: The costs are somewhere in a budget and > > payable ... > > > > That is not an objection, that's a problem ;-) Or, as I like to look at > problems; it's a challenge :) > +1 on need for presence at Cebit +1 on challenge, not problem, of budget As you may know, I organized the first Fedora presence at GITEX in Dubai last September. See http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FedoraEvents/GITEX for details. I was new to the process, but despite my ignorance, Lloyd Almeida, a local Fedora ambassador, and I managed to make one-on-one presentations, booth talks on Fedora Project and OLPC, and give aways hundreds of DVDs and live CDs. It's hard to measure metrics on such an event (for one thing, we were swamped with interested people), but I would guess the 500 media distributed would count for something. What was beyond measure was the benefit of sharing the Red Hat booth with a few other Red Hat partners, who eagerly promoted Fedora along with Red Hat. Despite the high cost of living in Dubai, I managed to spend 5 days there for under $140, thanks to a friend providing a place to stay. It's a different audience than FOSS events, but well worth the effort. Best Regards, John Babich Fedora Ambassador Member, FAmSCo From codigoabierto at yahoo.com.ar Tue Mar 11 16:06:35 2008 From: codigoabierto at yahoo.com.ar (Pablo Barrera) Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2008 09:06:35 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Ambassadors] Fedora Day 2008 : Buenos Aires Argentina Message-ID: <238732.8634.qm@web45904.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Hi Ambassadors The First Fedora Day 2008 is confirmed in Buenos Aires Argentina, the next May 10th in buenos aires city. I will bring some Cds DVDs from Brasil from next FISL from Rodrigo to give this cds in Buenos Aires. See the news here (spanish) http://www.proyectofedora.org/argentina/?p=44 Best regards! Pablo Barrera ----- Mensaje original ---- De: Paul W. Frields Para: Jack Aboutboul CC: fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com Enviado: martes 11 de marzo de 2008, 12:16:01 Asunto: Re: [Ambassadors] LinuxWorld SF - Aug 4-7, 2008 On Mon, 2008-03-10 at 21:02 -0400, Jack Aboutboul wrote: > On Mon, 2008-03-10 at 17:45 -0400, Paul W. Frields wrote: > > On Mon, 2008-03-10 at 16:34 -0400, Max Spevack wrote: > > > On Mon, 10 Mar 2008, Paul W. Frields wrote: > > > > > > > I see that Fedora is listed in the exhibitors section. Just curious: > > > > who is going to this event and/or doing something on Fedora's behalf > > > > there? > > > > > > Whoever is going to be the overall responsible party for this event > > > needs to add it to the FedoraEvents page and claim ownership. > > > > > > Jack, is this one you, or does someone else have the LinuxWorld ball? > > > > I put it on the list, but left the owner field blank.. I probably can't > > do this one. > > > Umm, I put it on the list.. What list are you looking at? Well, that's just frickin' bizarre. I swear I put this on http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FedoraEvents yesterday. Meh, no matter, it's there now. -- Paul W. 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Frields | Para: Jack Aboutboul | CC: fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com | Enviado: martes 11 de marzo de 2008, 12:16:01 | Asunto: Re: [Ambassadors] LinuxWorld SF - Aug 4-7, 2008 | | On Mon, 2008-03-10 at 21:02 -0400, Jack Aboutboul wrote: | > On Mon, 2008-03-10 at 17:45 -0400, Paul W. Frields wrote: | > > On Mon, 2008-03-10 at 16:34 -0400, Max Spevack wrote: | > > > On Mon, 10 Mar 2008, Paul W.. Frields wrote: | > > > | > > > > I see that Fedora is listed in the exhibitors section. Just | curious: | > > > > who is going to this event and/or doing something on Fedora's | behalf | > > > > there? | > > > | > > > Whoever is going to be the overall responsible party for this event | > > > needs to add it to the FedoraEvents page and claim ownership. | > > > | > > > Jack, is this one you, or does someone else have the LinuxWorld ball? | > > | > > I put it on the list, but left the owner field blank. I probably can't | > > do this one. | > > | > Umm, I put it on the list. 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M?rz 2008 15:05:53 schrieb John Babich: > +1 on need for presence at Cebit > +1 on challenge, not problem, of budget > It's a different audience than FOSS events, but well worth the effort. Who is the audience? Can we push them to support the FedoraProject? If yes, how? And because it is a business focused event, there should be a concept to achieve certain goals, like - indroduce them the EPEL Repo, or how it can help to raise the quality of their "inhouse builds" to package for the EPEL Repo, or explain them why it is a good thing to encourage their employees to work for the Fedoraproject. Yes Fedora should be there. Viele Guesse Joerg -- J?rg Simon jsimon at fedoraproject.org http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/JoergSimon Key Fingerprint: 3691 0989 2DCA 58A2 8D1F 2CAC C823 558E 5B5B 5688 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part. URL: From romal at fedoraproject.org Tue Mar 11 20:25:03 2008 From: romal at fedoraproject.org (Robert M. Albrecht) Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2008 21:25:03 +0100 Subject: [Ambassadors] [Fwd: Fwd: Auto-discard notification] Message-ID: <47D6EA9F.9050508@gmail.com> Hi, as I wrote, booths are provided by Linux New Media. Neither Debian nor Amarock nor OLPC nor Scribus ... are targeted for business. Perhaps we can do it with CentOS together ? cu romal Robert Scheck schrieb: > On Mon, 10 Mar 2008, Gerold wrote: >>> As Cebit is the worlds largest computer fair, we should really get a >>> presence their next year. >> ^^ >> I agree with one objection: The costs are somewhere in a budget and >> payable ... > > Maybe Max and Paul can increase the budget for Fedora for FY10 just a very > little bit, that the 100 sqm are possible at Cebit as well? :-))) > > Cebit is quite expensive, booth and hotel. And on the other hand, business > is not really the target audience of Fedora, sorry. Maybe CentOS should get > there, but not Fedora as bleeding edge for hackers. Just my 5 Ct... > > > Greetings, > Robert From romal at fedoraproject.org Tue Mar 11 20:38:47 2008 From: romal at fedoraproject.org (Robert M. Albrecht) Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2008 21:38:47 +0100 Subject: [Ambassadors] Cebit Report 2008 In-Reply-To: <200803112021.11515.jsimon@fedoraproject.org> References: <47D4EDFE.1070000@gmail.com> <47D53AEE.1060103@kanarip.com> <9d2c731f0803110705q29dcd404n7cf2e4352a882c52@mail.gmail.com> <200803112021.11515.jsimon@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <47D6EDD7.8090108@gmail.com> Hi, > Who is the audience? Cebit is mainly business, but there is a high percentage of endusers. Cebit is flooding people with free tickets, as the visitors declinded the last years. Saturday they had even free entry for women. And Fedora is not strictly non-business. We use it in our company, Wikipedia uses Fedora, Nasa, ... And Cebit is worldwide! I attended the KDE booth this year and had some interessting talks to people from all over the world: India, Russia, Chinese, some smaller countries like Rumania, Aserbaidshan and Ukraine. > Can we push them to support the FedoraProject? The first step is to increase its visibility at all. Fedora is mostly unkown in Germany. And for competitive reasons alone: Ubuntu, Debian and openSuse are present. The whole Redhat family is missing. Redhat was absent this year (god knows why). Fedora and CentOS too. > And because it is a business focused event, there should be a concept to > achieve certain goals, like - indroduce them the EPEL Repo, or how it can > help to raise the quality of their "inhouse builds" to package for the EPEL > Repo, or explain them why it is a good thing to encourage their employees to > work for the Fedoraproject. EPEL might be a good thing to show in a talk. I will try to get a presence in 2009. cu romal From gerold at lugd.org Tue Mar 11 20:53:52 2008 From: gerold at lugd.org (Gerold Kassube) Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2008 21:53:52 +0100 Subject: [Ambassadors] Cebit Report 2008 In-Reply-To: <47D6EDD7.8090108@gmail.com> References: <47D4EDFE.1070000@gmail.com> <47D53AEE.1060103@kanarip.com> <9d2c731f0803110705q29dcd404n7cf2e4352a882c52@mail.gmail.com> <200803112021.11515.jsimon@fedoraproject.org> <47D6EDD7.8090108@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1205268832.3806.6.camel@F8NB.homenet.local> Well Robert, maybe we should discuss this issue off topic on Linuxtag in a group together with Max becuase I also see at the moment some "challenges" to do so and also not to do so ... Regards+ Gerold Am Dienstag, den 11.03.2008, 21:38 +0100 schrieb Robert M. Albrecht: > Hi, > > > Who is the audience? > > Cebit is mainly business, but there is a high percentage of endusers. Cebit > is flooding people with free tickets, as the visitors declinded the last years. > > Saturday they had even free entry for women. > > And Fedora is not strictly non-business. We use it in our company, > Wikipedia uses Fedora, Nasa, ... > > And Cebit is worldwide! I attended the KDE booth this year and had some > interessting talks to people from all over the world: India, Russia, > Chinese, some smaller countries like Rumania, Aserbaidshan and Ukraine. > > > Can we push them to support the FedoraProject? > > The first step is to increase its visibility at all. Fedora is mostly > unkown in Germany. > > And for competitive reasons alone: Ubuntu, Debian and openSuse are present. > > The whole Redhat family is missing. Redhat was absent this year (god knows > why). Fedora and CentOS too. > > > And because it is a business focused event, there should be a concept to > > achieve certain goals, like - indroduce them the EPEL Repo, or how it can > > help to raise the quality of their "inhouse builds" to package for the EPEL > > Repo, or explain them why it is a good thing to encourage their employees to > > work for the Fedoraproject. > > EPEL might be a good thing to show in a talk. > > I will try to get a presence in 2009. > > cu romal > > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > -- Gerold Kassube -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I attended the KDE booth this year and had some interessting talks to people from all over the world: India, Russia, Chinese, some smaller countries like Rumania, Aserbaidshan and Ukraine. Might be interresting especially because its getting more and more "non - profi" users. Cebit got in the enduser area during the last years also it was focused on b2b. | | | The first step is to increase its visibility at all. Fedora is mostly unkown in Germany. | | And for competitive reasons alone: Ubuntu, Debian and openSuse are present. | | The whole Redhat family is missing. Redhat was absent this year (god knows why). Fedora and CentOS too. Don?t know if is an good idea, but like the idea of a booth for all together. So present the diffrent ways within the projects / products. Mainly for endusers with Fedora, the Server enviroment with CentOS and the productive and mission - critical Systems with Redhat. That would show that there is only a single way to go. Why learn 3 diffrent OS when there is something like Fedora / CentOS / RHEL that are pretty familiar to each others. The question might be if there will be a catching the users from each others. Not so deep into that things yet greetings Peter -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFH1vKetMB2vbNrb7kRAgc/AJ9/6NXo80nrMraHU7PJ2pBNlL1CjwCgsZ88 5v8UgMUxKWj7eEIqIJQE+js= =2wbz -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From fab at fedoraproject.org Tue Mar 11 23:21:40 2008 From: fab at fedoraproject.org (Fabian Affolter) Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 00:21:40 +0100 Subject: [Ambassadors] REMINDER: EMEA Ambassador Meeting this Wednesday ! Message-ID: <47D71404.5000106@fedoraproject.org> Hi all, This mail is a reminder for the monthly ambassadors meeting for all ambassadors from the EMEA region. Of course all other ambassadors are invited, too. Please add your topic to the agenda at the wiki meeting page [1] before the meeting started. 2008-03-12 / 20:00 UTC (21:00 local time) irc.freenode.net - #fedora-meeting Kind regards, Fabian [1] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/Meetings/2008-03-12 From matthiaskranz at gmx.de Wed Mar 12 08:06:01 2008 From: matthiaskranz at gmx.de (Matthias Kranz) Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 09:06:01 +0100 Subject: [Ambassadors] Cebit Report 2008 In-Reply-To: <47D6EDD7.8090108@gmail.com> References: <47D4EDFE.1070000@gmail.com> <47D53AEE.1060103@kanarip.com> <9d2c731f0803110705q29dcd404n7cf2e4352a882c52@mail.gmail.com> <200803112021.11515.jsimon@fedoraproject.org> <47D6EDD7.8090108@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1205309161.4538.10.camel@dhcp-0-189.muc.redhat.com> On Tue, 2008-03-11 at 21:38 +0100, Robert M. Albrecht wrote: > The whole Redhat family is missing. Redhat was absent this year (god knows > why). Well he does of course. But one of the reasons certainly is that Red Hat is a company who does a cost-benefit analysis for every marketing effort. The CeBIT has changed over the last ten years. Marketing strategies have changed, too. And to add my personal experience to this thread: I was attending the CeBIT for the last 12 years. Most times I was there for the whole week or the eight days it once was. There are zillions of end users just browsing over the fair area. They are of course especially attracted by the areas in which they will find some free stuff to take with as well as those areas in which the booth staff is used to talk to them and not interested in classifying them as "non-business equals non-interesting". Matthias -- Matthias Kranz http://mkr.oerks.de From davidsonpaulo at gmail.com Wed Mar 12 17:02:02 2008 From: davidsonpaulo at gmail.com (Davidson Rodrigues Paulo) Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 14:02:02 -0300 Subject: [Ambassadors] Fedora Project Brazil releases online magazine Message-ID: Hi, We are proud to announce the release of the first issue of Revista Fedora Brasil (Fedora Brazil Magazine), an online magazine about Fedora made by Brazilian Ambassadors and Linux community members for those who speak Portuguese. Starting our release cicle, we've choosen "Fedora 8" as the cover story and central theme of the magazine, including articles about system-config-firewall and IcedTea. We also included an interview with FAmSCo member Rodrigo Padula, a column by Igor Soares and some Fedora news selected by Rodrigo Menezes and his team. Official release announce: * http://projetofedora.org/node/424 Download it now (PDF, 5.1 MB): * http://www.projetofedora.org/revista/arquivos/RevistaFedoraBrasil001.pdf We hope we have been done a good job, but we know we can do even better. To make this possible, we are working to turn easy for our readers to send comments, sugestions and, of course, content to be published. Any feedback will be very welcome. Thanks, -- Davidson Paulo Fedora Brazil Magazine, Editor-In-Chief Linux System Administrator LPI Certified Level 1: LPI000132770 Brazilian Fedora Ambassador http://daveandnaty.blogspot.com/ http://davidsonenatalia.blogspot.com/ From matthiaskranz at gmx.de Wed Mar 12 21:16:26 2008 From: matthiaskranz at gmx.de (Matthias Kranz) Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 22:16:26 +0100 Subject: [Ambassadors] Ambassadors Meeting EMEA - IRC Log 2008-03-12 Message-ID: <1205356586.4538.12.camel@dhcp-0-189.muc.redhat.com> 21:00 #fedora-meeting: < mkranz> Hi folks! 21:01 #fedora-meeting: < spevack> hi! 21:01 #fedora-meeting: < mkranz> Anybody here for the EMEA Ambassador meeting? :) 21:01 #fedora-meeting: < mkranz> Hi Max! 21:01 #fedora-meeting: * spevack waves 21:01 #fedora-meeting: < jmbuser> jsmith-teaching: just finished the meeting - moving to fedora-docs 21:01 #fedora-meeting: < fcrippa> mkranz: yep ;-) 21:01 #fedora-meeting: < jsmith-teaching> Perfect timing 21:01 #fedora-meeting: < quaid> feel free to just grab the /topic 21:01 #fedora-meeting: * jsmith-teaching unlurks 21:01 #fedora-meeting: < quaid> since I can't get to the original on the wiki page atm 21:02 #fedora-meeting: < zydoon> hi 21:02 #fedora-meeting: < mkranz> Okay, does not sound like hundreds of Ambassadors ... :) 21:02 #fedora-meeting: * spevack tries to pull up the agenda on the wiki 21:02 #fedora-meeting: < tc1415> hi all 21:02 #fedora-meeting: < zydoon> ZiedFakhfakh 21:02 #fedora-meeting: < mkranz> Hi, welcome all to our monthly EMEA Ambassador call. 21:03 #fedora-meeting: < tc1415> BenLewis 21:03 #fedora-meeting: < Milanito> hi all 21:03 #fedora-meeting: < jmbuser> JohnBabich 21:03 #fedora-meeting: < spevack> Max Spevack 21:03 #fedora-meeting: < mkranz> Matthias Kranz 21:03 #fedora-meeting: < fcrippa> FrancescoCrippa 21:04 #fedora-meeting: < mkranz> tc1415? 21:04 #fedora-meeting: < mkranz> Milanito? 21:04 #fedora-meeting: < tc1415> BenLewis 21:04 #fedora-meeting: < mkranz> tc1415: Ah, sorry, Ben! 21:04 #fedora-meeting: < tc1415> mkranz, thats ok 21:04 #fedora-meeting: < Milanito> actually im not yet an ambassador i'm here to learn ^^ but i did ask to be one 21:05 #fedora-meeting: < Milanito> MatthieuRondeau on the wiki 21:05 #fedora-meeting: < mkranz> Milanito: Merci beaucoup! 21:05 #fedora-meeting: < spevack> Milanito: welcome 21:05 #fedora-meeting: < Milanito> ty 21:05 #fedora-meeting: < Milanito> thanks* 21:05 #fedora-meeting: < mkranz> Okay, then let's start with the first topic on the agenda. 21:05 #fedora-meeting: < fcrippa> Milanito: welcome! 21:06 #fedora-meeting: < mkranz> - News from Famsco 21:06 #fedora-meeting: < mkranz> Anybody? 21:06 #fedora-meeting: < spevack> If no one else from famsco is here, i can say a few words 21:06 #fedora-meeting: * mkranz hides since he has no clue. 21:06 #fedora-meeting: < AndreasR> I am here 21:06 #fedora-meeting: < spevack> AndreasR: why don't you go ahead, and then I 21:06 #fedora-meeting: < AndreasR> but at the moment I ve nothing to say 21:06 #fedora-meeting: < spevack> will add on 21:06 #fedora-meeting: < spevack> ok, I'll go then :) 21:06 #fedora-meeting: < AndreasR> Max 21:06 #fedora-meeting: < AndreasR> thx 21:07 #fedora-meeting: < spevack> So I am not an "official" member of FAMSCo, but one of the things that I am spending more of my time on now 21:07 #fedora-meeting: < spevack> is being a "mentor" and "helper" to FAMSCo 21:07 #fedora-meeting: < spevack> there are a few things FAMSCo is working on 21:07 #fedora-meeting: < spevack> that will be of interest to Fedora EMEA 21:07 #fedora-meeting: < spevack> the first is making sure that every event can have financial support 21:07 #fedora-meeting: < spevack> Famsco will be sending an email to fedora-ambassadors-list soon 21:07 #fedora-meeting: < spevack> but basically 21:07 #fedora-meeting: < spevack> if you look at the Events page on the Fedora wiki 21:07 #fedora-meeting: < glezos> Dimitris Glezos 21:08 #fedora-meeting: < glezos> :) 21:08 #fedora-meeting: * jmbuser got distracted - continue Max 21:08 #fedora-meeting: < spevack> you will see that we break the year down into 4 quarters 21:08 #fedora-meeting: < spevack> and we are going to plan the funding for events based on those quarters 21:08 #fedora-meeting: < spevack> because that is how Red Hat handles its budgets 21:08 #fedora-meeting: < spevack> For EMEA 21:08 #fedora-meeting: < spevack> the only event left on the schedule until the end of may is linuxtag 21:08 #fedora-meeting: < spevack> and that has a "separate" budget 21:09 #fedora-meeting: < spevack> but for the June - August quarter, we will try to have all worldwide ambassadors update the event page by May 1 with the events that will be in June-August, and then we will be able to give funding. 21:09 #fedora-meeting: < spevack> the email that will come out soon will have more detailed explanations 21:09 #fedora-meeting: < spevack> any questions right now? 21:09 #fedora-meeting: < tc1415> ? 21:09 #fedora-meeting: < spevack> go ahead 21:09 #fedora-meeting: < tc1415> I assume that that May 1st date is the deadline for having funding? 21:09 #fedora-meeting: < tc1415> eof 21:10 #fedora-meeting: < spevack> Well, we want to make a deadline of "getting the list of all events" 1 month before the beginning of the quarter. 21:10 #fedora-meeting: < spevack> So March - May is one quarter 21:10 #fedora-meeting: < spevack> but the only event left is LinuxTag 21:10 #fedora-meeting: < spevack> June - August is the 2nd quarter, and we want to try to know by May 1 all the events we need to fund 21:10 #fedora-meeting: < spevack> so that there is 1 month to plan 21:10 #fedora-meeting: < tc1415> right, ok, just wondering 21:11 #fedora-meeting: < spevack> similarly, the 3rd quarter will be Sep - Nov, and we will try to have an August 1 deadline 21:11 #fedora-meeting: < spevack> ok.. good question! 21:11 #fedora-meeting: < spevack> any other questions or comments? 21:11 #fedora-meeting: < Milanito> ? 21:11 #fedora-meeting: < spevack> go ahead 21:11 #fedora-meeting: < spevack> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FedoraEvents in case anyone doesn't know where the events page is. 21:11 #fedora-meeting: < Milanito> might seem silly but i was wondering how do you define event because in my school we might be organising a linux event 21:12 #fedora-meeting: < spevack> the definition is fairly loose. 21:12 #fedora-meeting: < spevack> in my opinion, an event is any time someone or a group of people 21:12 #fedora-meeting: < spevack> is going to speak about Fedora, or "represent" Fedora in an official kind of way 21:12 #fedora-meeting: < spevack> Some events are huge, like LinuxTag 21:13 #fedora-meeting: < spevack> some events are small, like someone going to speak at a school or university. 21:13 #fedora-meeting: < spevack> from the perspective of framsco 21:13 #fedora-meeting: < spevack> s/framsco/FAMSCO/ 21:13 #fedora-meeting: < spevack> what we want to know about is events that the Ambassador requires assistance either with planning, or with materials, or with content, etc. 21:13 #fedora-meeting: < spevack> does that answer your question? 21:14 #fedora-meeting: < Milanito> yeah pretty much the event will be more like a presentation of linux, with fedora ubuntu etc... 21:14 #fedora-meeting: < Milanito> so i guess it can be considered as an event 21:14 #fedora-meeting: < spevack> That is definitely something that we would be happy to assist with 21:14 #fedora-meeting: < Milanito> thats great then 21:14 #fedora-meeting: < spevack> feel free to add it to the page, and then as it gets closer, we will discuss/plan for it 21:14 #fedora-meeting: < spevack> If there are no other questions, we can move on to the next agenda item. 21:14 #fedora-meeting: * spevack looks at mkranz :) 21:15 #fedora-meeting: * mkranz feels observed. 21:15 #fedora-meeting: < mkranz> Okay. 21:15 #fedora-meeting: * spevack looks at AndreasR instead 21:15 #fedora-meeting: < AndreasR> not at this point 21:15 #fedora-meeting: < AndreasR> thx 21:15 #fedora-meeting: < AndreasR> later 21:15 #fedora-meeting: < mkranz> Max, anything else to add from Famsco? 21:15 #fedora-meeting: < spevack> no, that's all from me. 21:15 #fedora-meeting: < mkranz> Okay. 21:16 #fedora-meeting: < mkranz> Then next point of the agenda. 21:16 #fedora-meeting: < AndreasR> ! 21:16 #fedora-meeting: < mkranz> AndreasR: go ahead! 21:16 #fedora-meeting: < AndreasR> I think it is important that we get the agenda points... if it is okay I want to say something at the end 21:16 #fedora-meeting: < AndreasR> eof 21:16 #fedora-meeting: < mkranz> AndreasR: Yes, of course. 21:16 #fedora-meeting: < mkranz> No problem. 21:17 #fedora-meeting: < mkranz> I think we will be through very quickly. 21:17 #fedora-meeting: < mkranz> Next point is: 21:17 #fedora-meeting: < mkranz> - Report current status of Ambassadors Materials Tracker and Ambassadors Membership Verification 21:17 #fedora-meeting: < mkranz> Anybody? 21:17 #fedora-meeting: * mkranz hides because he had no fingers on the agenda. 21:17 #fedora-meeting: < spevack> The Tracker is empty. Lots of swag is being made. As requests come in, we can fill them. 21:18 #fedora-meeting: < zydoon> ? 21:18 #fedora-meeting: < mkranz> zydoon: go ahead. 21:18 #fedora-meeting: < glezos> ? 21:18 #fedora-meeting: < zydoon> as we will organising F launch day (s install party 21:18 #fedora-meeting: < zydoon> we gonna need some media 21:18 #fedora-meeting: < zydoon> in Tunisia 21:18 #fedora-meeting: < spevack> ! 21:18 #fedora-meeting: < zydoon> would you please tell me how long will take to have them shipped, 21:19 #fedora-meeting: < mkranz> spevack: go ahead! 21:19 #fedora-meeting: < zydoon> so I can prepare my self, if I will burn them here 21:19 #fedora-meeting: < zydoon> eof 21:19 #fedora-meeting: < spevack> I think that we need to make media somewhere in EMEA that can ship to other places in EMEA. And we make media in USA for places in USA. But it is a waste of money to ship CDs across the ocean, and pay for customs. 21:20 #fedora-meeting: < spevack> Fedora can pay the bill, but I need help from locals in Europe to find a good manufacturer and price. 21:20 #fedora-meeting: < zydoon> indeed 21:20 #fedora-meeting: < mkranz> ! 21:20 #fedora-meeting: < spevack> if someone wants to work with me offline, I can explain the requirements and price range. 21:20 #fedora-meeting: < spevack> EOF 21:20 #fedora-meeting: < mkranz> glezos: You first, then me! 21:21 #fedora-meeting: < mkranz> glezos: Or I would like to add something to the current thread. 21:21 #fedora-meeting: < mkranz> spevack: I could help out probably. 21:21 #fedora-meeting: < glezos> mkranz: oh, I was just wondering a similar thing to zydoon. I'm presenting at a medium-ish event in Athens next Friday and I was wondering if there was any possibility to have some media with such late notice. 21:21 #fedora-meeting: < mkranz> As you may know I am working for Red Hat in Munich, Germany. 21:21 #fedora-meeting: < mkranz> We are producing the DVDs for our local CollStuffStore. 21:22 #fedora-meeting: < spevack> glezos: nothing i can do to help, unfortunately. we're completely out of F8 media. maybe you could offer to take people's usb keys and turn them into LiveUSB's? 21:22 #fedora-meeting: < mkranz> And we are able to get them produced for very small money. 21:22 #fedora-meeting: < spevack> mkranz: maybe you and i can talk offline then about options for Fedora 9 21:22 #fedora-meeting: < glezos> spevack: excellend idea, thanks. 21:22 #fedora-meeting: < spevack> and LinuxTag 21:22 #fedora-meeting: < mkranz> glezos: How many DVDs do you need? 21:22 #fedora-meeting: < mkranz> spevack: Yep, we will do. 21:22 #fedora-meeting: < glezos> mkranz: 100-150 I guess. 21:22 #fedora-meeting: * spevack makes a note to follow up 21:23 #fedora-meeting: < mkranz> glezos: Please send me an email to mkranz at redhat.com with your contact details. 21:23 #fedora-meeting: < mkranz> glezos: When do you need them? 21:23 #fedora-meeting: < glezos> It's a FOSS community event, ie target audience not users but contributors, so I think a strong presence would be important. But I neglected letting you guys know earlier, too much happening recently. 21:23 #fedora-meeting: < glezos> mkranz: By Thu 20/3 21:24 #fedora-meeting: < mkranz> glezos: Where are you located? 21:24 #fedora-meeting: < glezos> mkranz: stuff could be shipped to Athens, Greece 21:24 #fedora-meeting: < mkranz> Ah, I see, in Athens, Greece. 21:24 #fedora-meeting: < zydoon> ! 21:24 #fedora-meeting: < glezos> maybe we could take this offline, and let the meeting continue. 21:24 #fedora-meeting: < mkranz> glezos: Pretty sure. 21:24 #fedora-meeting: < mkranz> zydoon: go ahead! 21:25 #fedora-meeting: < zydoon> we will holding f9 launch day 10 days after release 21:25 #fedora-meeting: < zydoon> so if you think it's better I make the media locally, please tell me 21:25 #fedora-meeting: < zydoon> eof 21:25 #fedora-meeting: < mkranz> zydoon: That's a pretty tight schedule when it comes to procuding the DVDs here in Munich. 21:25 #fedora-meeting: < zydoon> ok 21:25 #fedora-meeting: < spevack> zydoon: if i were you 21:25 #fedora-meeting: < zydoon> I'll do it here 21:25 #fedora-meeting: < spevack> i would begin looking into a local producer. 21:25 #fedora-meeting: < zydoon> ok 21:25 #fedora-meeting: < zydoon> fine 21:25 #fedora-meeting: < mkranz> I don't think that we are going to make it in time. 21:25 #fedora-meeting: < spevack> because the F9 bits only are finalized 3 or 4 days before release 21:26 #fedora-meeting: < mkranz> That's the problem. 21:26 #fedora-meeting: < zydoon> understood 21:26 #fedora-meeting: < spevack> it is very hard to turn around media in that kind of timeframe with any shipping 21:26 #fedora-meeting: < zydoon> it's not a problem :) 21:26 #fedora-meeting: < spevack> zydoon: we can help pay! please stay in touch :) 21:26 #fedora-meeting: < zydoon> I'll handle it 21:26 #fedora-meeting: < mkranz> Okay. 21:26 #fedora-meeting: < zydoon> ok thanks 21:26 #fedora-meeting: < zydoon> eof 21:26 #fedora-meeting: < mkranz> Next point in the agenda: 21:26 #fedora-meeting: < mkranz> - Report current status of upcoming Fedora Events in EMEA. See Fedora Events page. 21:27 #fedora-meeting: < mkranz> Okay, anybody here who could speak about 21:27 #fedora-meeting: < mkranz> - Lolug Pillole at Lodi (formally "Fedora by Night") 21:27 #fedora-meeting: < mkranz> - FOSDEM 2008 21:27 #fedora-meeting: < mkranz> - Chemnitzer LinuxTage 2008 21:27 #fedora-meeting: < mkranz> - (OpenExpo 2008 Berne) 21:27 #fedora-meeting: < mkranz> ? 21:28 #fedora-meeting: < fcrippa> ! 21:28 #fedora-meeting: < mkranz> I mean, in addition to the great reports we have seen on our beloved mailing list. 21:28 #fedora-meeting: < mkranz> fcrippa: go ahead! 21:28 #fedora-meeting: < fcrippa> I reported about "Fedora by Night" event during last Fedora EMEA Abassadors Meeting (one month ago?) 21:28 #fedora-meeting: < fcrippa> I don't know why it's still in agenda 21:28 #fedora-meeting: < fcrippa> by the way, you can find all information and photos here: 21:28 #fedora-meeting: < glezos> ! 21:28 #fedora-meeting: < mkranz> fcrippa: Do not know it, too. 21:28 #fedora-meeting: < fcrippa> http://www.flickr.com/photos/fcrippa/sets/72157603949413659/ 21:28 #fedora-meeting: < fcrippa> http://people.byte-code.com/fcrippa/2008/02/21/fedora-by-night-the-day-after/ 21:29 #fedora-meeting: * spevack remembers hearing great things about Fedora By Night and FOSDEM. 21:29 #fedora-meeting: < fcrippa> eof 21:29 #fedora-meeting: < mkranz> glezos: go ahead! 21:29 #fedora-meeting: < spevack> ! (after glezos) 21:29 #fedora-meeting: < glezos> I found FOSDEM (once again) a *great* conference for EMEA to get together. I propose to try and somewhat advocate it as something like an annual meetup for EMEA and the L10n project. 21:30 #fedora-meeting: < fcrippa> glezos: +1 21:30 #fedora-meeting: < glezos> For example, we could try and cover some expenses for making sure the EMEA folks and the (soon to be created) Fedora L10n Steering Committee could be there. 21:30 #fedora-meeting: < glezos> (eof) 21:30 #fedora-meeting: < mkranz> spevack: go ahead! 21:30 #fedora-meeting: < spevack> glezos: on the subject of FOSDEM 21:31 #fedora-meeting: < spevack> glezos: the CommunityArchitecture team (which I am now part of) has listed LinuxTag and FOSDEM as the two *major* European events. Each gets its own separate funding. We have $15,000 USD set aside for FOSDEM 2009, so your vision will be reality. 21:31 #fedora-meeting: < spevack> on the topic of events in general 21:31 #fedora-meeting: < glezos> fantastic. 21:32 #fedora-meeting: < spevack> I think the reports on ambassadors-list and Fedora Planet have been very high quality lately, and I am happy. 21:32 #fedora-meeting: < spevack> EOF 21:32 #fedora-meeting: < mkranz> spevack: I think we all are happy about this! 21:32 #fedora-meeting: < jmbuser> +1 21:32 #fedora-meeting: < AndreasR> :) 21:32 #fedora-meeting: < spevack> AndreasR always tells me I need to smile more :) 21:32 #fedora-meeting: < AndreasR> right 21:32 #fedora-meeting: < mkranz> Okay, last minor topic in this major bullet point is: 21:33 #fedora-meeting: < mkranz> - News about LinuxTag 2008 21:33 #fedora-meeting: < mkranz> Anybody? 21:33 #fedora-meeting: < spevack> well, Gerold is not here right now, but I have been paying attention and I believe that everything is on target. 21:33 #fedora-meeting: < AndreasR> +1 21:33 #fedora-meeting: < spevack> We should be sure to get a big update next month, since it will be only 5 weeks before LinuxTag 21:34 #fedora-meeting: < spevack> EOF 21:34 #fedora-meeting: < mkranz> spevack: I will talk to Gerold about it. 21:34 #fedora-meeting: < valent> npr. za placanje standova za konferencije 21:34 #fedora-meeting: < AndreasR> ! 21:34 #fedora-meeting: < mkranz> By the way, for all people who are interested: 21:34 #fedora-meeting: < mkranz> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FedoraEvents/LinuxTag/LinuxTag2008 21:35 #fedora-meeting: < mkranz> AndreasR: go ahead! 21:35 #fedora-meeting: < spevack> mkranz: you will be at LT? 21:35 #fedora-meeting: < valent> sorry wrong irc window 21:35 #fedora-meeting: < AndreasR> you are right I talked to him yesterday... they are doing well 21:35 #fedora-meeting: < AndreasR> but I think it is better to wait... till next week 21:35 #fedora-meeting: < mkranz> spevack: I will try to make it, yes. 21:35 #fedora-meeting: < AndreasR> Gerold or someone else will give us an update 21:35 #fedora-meeting: < AndreasR> eof 21:36 #fedora-meeting: < spevack> Gerold is very busy at work right now, I believe. 21:36 #fedora-meeting: < AndreasR> yes 21:36 #fedora-meeting: < mkranz> spevack: But as you know, it is the most important quarter in the history of ... 21:36 #fedora-meeting: < mkranz> Okay. 21:36 #fedora-meeting: < mkranz> Next point. 21:36 #fedora-meeting: < spevack> mkranz: LOL 21:37 #fedora-meeting: < mkranz> - Status of the NPO 21:37 #fedora-meeting: < mkranz> We have seen the reports about FOSDEM and the "side note" of the NPO :) 21:37 #fedora-meeting: < mkranz> Anybody here wants to add something to it? 21:37 #fedora-meeting: < spevack> I don't think any of the Board Members of the NPO are here right now..... 21:38 #fedora-meeting: < spevack> Gerold, Jeroen, and Robert 21:38 #fedora-meeting: < mkranz> I would propose that Gerold should give an update/introduction about this next month as well! 21:38 #fedora-meeting: < AndreasR> ! 21:38 #fedora-meeting: < mkranz> AndreasR: go ahead! 21:38 #fedora-meeting: < fcrippa> spevack: ...and Fabian ;-) 21:39 #fedora-meeting: < AndreasR> I will talk tomorrow with gerold... he will be informed 21:39 #fedora-meeting: < AndreasR> eof 21:39 #fedora-meeting: < mkranz> AndreasR: Great! Thanks a lot. 21:40 #fedora-meeting: < mkranz> Last point on our agenda: Open floor! 21:40 #fedora-meeting: < mkranz> Anybody wants to speak about anything? 21:40 #fedora-meeting: < spevack> i have one 21:40 #fedora-meeting: < mkranz> Let's gather some points. 21:41 #fedora-meeting: < mkranz> AndreasR: You wanted to add something? 21:41 #fedora-meeting: < AndreasR> jep 21:41 #fedora-meeting: < AndreasR> is it the time 21:41 #fedora-meeting: * spevack will go after andreas 21:41 #fedora-meeting: < AndreasR> As a famsco member I wanted to add a small (maybe mid size) comment - 21:41 #fedora-meeting: < AndreasR> As you know currently famsco got some tasks for what they (we) are ... EventBudget... helping with events... etc... you can read it on the wiki... 21:41 #fedora-meeting: < AndreasR> but everything will not work if we will not get information from you... 21:41 #fedora-meeting: < AndreasR> so as Francesco did it in the past I want to do it again - 21:41 #fedora-meeting: < AndreasR> We need you to do this job - Information is the key.. and you are the source - 21:42 #fedora-meeting: < AndreasR> so please if there is a problem or anything else we can be helpfull please don't be (don't know that term)... let us know - please send us mails - send us informations - reports... everything we can work with 21:42 #fedora-meeting: < AndreasR> Max something to add .... 21:42 #fedora-meeting: < rsc> mkranz: sorry, I'm very late. Status of NPO is, that we'll be on monday at the register court to get e.V. and we can really start hopefully soon. 21:42 #fedora-meeting: < AndreasR> eof 21:42 #fedora-meeting: < mkranz> AndreasR: +1 21:42 #fedora-meeting: < jmbuser> As a fellow member of FAmSco, a big +1 21:42 #fedora-meeting: < jmbuser> eof 21:43 #fedora-meeting: < mkranz> rsc: Thanks for the update. 21:43 #fedora-meeting: < spevack> +1 to Andreas also 21:43 #fedora-meeting: < mkranz> Okay, spevack go ahead! 21:44 #fedora-meeting: < spevack> I just wanted to add quickly -- some of you already have seen on my blog (http://spevack.livejournal.com) but Red Hat will be sending me to Europe in May to take a leadership role in community building and fedora through the EMEA region. Very exciting for all of us, and gives me a chance to work much closer with folks like mkranz and all our Fedora Ambassadors 21:44 #fedora-meeting: < spevack> My job will be to lead Fedora/Red Hat community efforts throughout EMEA. 21:44 #fedora-meeting: < spevack> EOF 21:44 #fedora-meeting: < Milanito> ! 21:45 #fedora-meeting: < mkranz> Milanito: go ahead! 21:46 #fedora-meeting: * mkranz feels sorry for being unresponsive. 21:46 #fedora-meeting: < Milanito> ok since I'm not yet an ambassador, it a message for the future, but I try to get involved in the community, actually working with the french trad team, and we are gathereing some people from the french forum in paris 21:47 #fedora-meeting: < valent> ? 21:47 #fedora-meeting: < Milanito> and I'd be very happy to meet and share information with people based in europe 21:47 #fedora-meeting: < mkranz> Milanito: You probably know that there is a quite active Ambassador community in France?! 21:48 #fedora-meeting: < Milanito> yeah I know I"ve also made contact with them 21:48 #fedora-meeting: < mkranz> valent: You will be the next, just hang on for a second. 21:48 #fedora-meeting: < Milanito> but since I'm here why not say so too ^^ 21:48 #fedora-meeting: < valent> where will these EMEA meetings take place? Which countries? In Croatia for example I just statred to be ambassador.... 21:48 #fedora-meeting: < valent> sorry 21:48 #fedora-meeting: < mkranz> Milanito: You're welcome of course! 21:48 #fedora-meeting: < mkranz> I just wanted to make sure that you know about it :) 21:48 #fedora-meeting: < Milanito> for example there will be next friday a meeting about fedora with some guy of the french forums 21:49 #fedora-meeting: < Milanito> eof 21:49 #fedora-meeting: < mkranz> valent: What do you mean with "EMEA meetings"? 21:50 #fedora-meeting: < valent> where will these EMEA meetings take place? Which countries? In Croatia for example I just statred to be ambassador.... 21:50 #fedora-meeting: < valent> and there isn't really some community but I'm willing to travel somewhere to a fedora emea meeting in a country not too far from croatia. 21:50 #fedora-meeting: < valent> I mean emea meetings with max 21:50 #fedora-meeting: < spevack> valent: i will be traveling to many events throughout emea 21:50 #fedora-meeting: < valent> eof 21:50 #fedora-meeting: < spevack> valent: one of the goals that we have with our increased funding for events 21:50 #fedora-meeting: < spevack> is specifically in order to help Ambassadors with travel costs from time to time 21:50 #fedora-meeting: < spevack> so that people who are spread in different countries 21:50 #fedora-meeting: < spevack> all have a chance to meet face to face 21:50 #fedora-meeting: < valent> ? 21:51 #fedora-meeting: < spevack> go ahead 21:51 #fedora-meeting: < valent> That is clear to me... but you still don't know where exactly 21:51 #fedora-meeting: < valent> that is why I wanted to know. 21:51 #fedora-meeting: < valent> eof 21:51 #fedora-meeting: < spevack> well, LinuxTag in Berlin is the next really big event that many Fedora people will be at. 21:51 #fedora-meeting: < spevack> beyond that, I have to look at the list.... 21:52 #fedora-meeting: < spevack> one of the things that we will discuss 21:52 #fedora-meeting: < spevack> as a community 21:52 #fedora-meeting: < valent> ok, I'll be reading your blog and stocking you :) 21:52 #fedora-meeting: < spevack> once I am settled in Europe 21:52 #fedora-meeting: < mkranz> spevack: By the way. Do you already know where exactly in Europe you want to settle? :) 21:52 #fedora-meeting: < spevack> is having one or two "Fedora Ambassador Days" where we gather people together. Maybe one in Western Europe (using LinuxTag) and something else in Eastern Europe. 21:52 #fedora-meeting: < mkranz> Not that Europe is really big but ... 21:52 #fedora-meeting: < mkranz> ;) 21:53 #fedora-meeting: < spevack> mkranz: all the conversations I have had with HR have focused on my "home base" being the Netherlands. 21:53 #fedora-meeting: < spevack> but i will do a good bit of travel to various places... compared to getting around the US I am not too worried :) 21:54 #fedora-meeting: < spevack> any other questions for me? 21:54 #fedora-meeting: < valent> nope 21:54 #fedora-meeting: < GeroldKa> hi all 21:54 #fedora-meeting: < mkranz> spevack: Ah, great. Bring some Regenstiefel then. 21:54 #fedora-meeting: < spevack> valent: we'll stay in touch. we know where to find each other ;) 21:54 #fedora-meeting: < spevack> hi GeroldKa! 21:55 #fedora-meeting: < mkranz> GeroldKa: Great to see you. 21:55 #fedora-meeting: < GeroldKa> sorry for beeing late :-( 21:55 #fedora-meeting: < mkranz> GeroldKa: No prob at all. 21:55 #fedora-meeting: < fcrippa> GeroldKa: jusy in time 21:55 #fedora-meeting: < spevack> well, unless GeroldKa wants to give a quick update about LinuxTag, I think we are almost done? 21:55 #fedora-meeting: < GeroldKa> was with a accident (Volleyball) at the hospital 21:55 #fedora-meeting: < GeroldKa> but not me :-) 21:55 #fedora-meeting: < mkranz> GeroldKa: Lucky you! 21:56 #fedora-meeting: < mkranz> GeroldKa: I wonder, if you would like to give a brief status of the preparation of LinuxTag? 21:56 #fedora-meeting: < mkranz> Just a quick one? 21:56 #fedora-meeting: < mkranz> And then we are through for tonight. 21:56 #fedora-meeting: < GeroldKa> well ... 21:56 #fedora-meeting: < GeroldKa> I asked the team for an update but I don't receive any responds till now 21:57 #fedora-meeting: < GeroldKa> we have a reserved booth ... 21:57 #fedora-meeting: < GeroldKa> we have a lot of things planed 21:57 #fedora-meeting: < GeroldKa> we have a confirmed and reserved room contingent in Berlin 21:57 #fedora-meeting: < GeroldKa> and we have a lot of VIPs at Linuxtag 21:57 #fedora-meeting: < GeroldKa> that's all at the moment :-( 21:58 #fedora-meeting: < spevack> AndreasR: tell Gerold to smile! 21:58 #fedora-meeting: < GeroldKa> unfortunatly I'm waiting for trouble shooting contest, also confirmation of FUDCon 21:58 #fedora-meeting: < AndreasR> sir , yes , sir 21:58 #fedora-meeting: < mkranz> GeroldKa: No prob at all. 21:58 #fedora-meeting: < AndreasR> Gerold smile 21:58 #fedora-meeting: < GeroldKa> :-) 21:58 #fedora-meeting: < AndreasR> max.. 21:58 #fedora-meeting: < mkranz> That's a big smile, indeed. 21:58 #fedora-meeting: < mkranz> Okay. 21:59 #fedora-meeting: < GeroldKa> one "leader" to rule them all ........ 21:59 #fedora-meeting: < GeroldKa> *g* 21:59 #fedora-meeting: < mkranz> I'd like to finish then with the official part of the meeting. 21:59 #fedora-meeting: < mkranz> And then we might have some virtual beer together. 21:59 #fedora-meeting: < mkranz> ;) 21:59 #fedora-meeting: < mkranz> Anything to add by anyone? 21:59 #fedora-meeting: * spevack will buy people real beer in Berlin 21:59 #fedora-meeting: < mkranz> 5 21:59 #fedora-meeting: < mkranz> 4 21:59 #fedora-meeting: < mkranz> 3 21:59 #fedora-meeting: < valent> +1 21:59 #fedora-meeting: < GeroldKa> ! 22:00 #fedora-meeting: < mkranz> Shit. 22:00 #fedora-meeting: < spevack> thank you everyone -- please email me with anything you need 22:00 #fedora-meeting: < mkranz> GeroldKa: go ahead! 22:00 #fedora-meeting: < GeroldKa> I take that point Max, and I'll remember you .... 22:00 #fedora-meeting: < mkranz> Ah, okay. 22:00 #fedora-meeting: < GeroldKa> day by day :-P 22:00 #fedora-meeting: < mkranz> 2 22:00 #fedora-meeting: < GeroldKa> eof 22:00 #fedora-meeting: < mkranz> 1 22:00 #fedora-meeting: * mkranz is ringing the bell. 22:00 #fedora-meeting: < mkranz> See you next time then. 22:00 #fedora-meeting: < spevack> mkranz: thanks for leading the meeting 22:00 #fedora-meeting: < jmbuser> :-D 22:00 #fedora-meeting: < AndreasR> have a good night or whatever 22:00 #fedora-meeting: < AndreasR> will need coffee 22:00 #fedora-meeting: < zydoon> good night everyone and thank you 22:01 #fedora-meeting: < mkranz> spevack: You're welcome! 22:01 #fedora-meeting: < mkranz> Thank you all for attending this call tonight. I wish you a pleasant night - Gute Nacht! See/read you next month. -- Matthias Kranz http://mkr.oerks.de From simon at simline.de Wed Mar 12 22:52:30 2008 From: simon at simline.de (JoergSimon) Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 23:52:30 +0100 Subject: [Ambassadors] Open Expo Day1 Message-ID: <200803122352.30341.simon@simline.de> My personal event hat-trick - three big FOSS events in three weeks in three different countries - is almost finished. I have little work in Bern, Switzerland to do related to my job, and so i am in the lucky position to support this event. After a stormy trip from Stuttgart to Bern - btw. i started 04:00 AM at my place - i arrived at 07:30 to help Timea, Fabian, Sandro to polish the booth and start the day. As seen on FOSDEM and CLT the Posters are working fine. We had a nice little booth. There was also a install zone where people could bring Hardware to fix problems or install Linux, and Sandro did a great job to help the people there. Frederic from the Frankfurt RedHat Office brought us DVD?s and we switched him in a Fedora Contributor, put him in a Fedora Shirt and send him to help Sandro. Later, Alan arrived and stayed with us almost the whole day, some of his masterpieces was a strange construct of Powerplugs to match the swiss electrical sockets maybe someone remember my own Power Plug Adventure ;-) - another one on the social event, he jailed google in a bottle jail, i am sure Fabian or Sandro who has taken pictures off it, can tell this story better then i. The event itself was incredible, the area with exhibitors is larger then Linuxtag in Germany - and much much people, hope i get some numbers tomorrow. We had good talks with visitors about our Fedora Project, but - they want to try it, "maybe" want use it - and are to shy to contribute to it. We gave away some DVD?s, LiveCD?s, Flyers and Stickers. I am sure, now there are a lot more people in Bern, Switzerland who know the role off the Fedora Project - in German there is metapher - constant dropping wears the stone. We achieved so much in the last weeks - Linux Magazin will bring a illustrated Story about Fedora EMEA, Robert will give a Podcast about Fedora in the next Weeks, and i had also a premiere, today was my first official interview with a guy from the University of Bern - i will keep you informed what happened with it. The social event - as expected not able to beat CLT ;-) - was nice and valorized with lightening talks.I am really look forward to the Open Expo Day 2 - the Community Day. -- J?rg Simon jsimon at fedoraproject.org http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/JoergSimon Key Fingerprint: 3691 0989 2DCA 58A2 8D1F 2CAC C823 558E 5B5B 5688 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part. URL: From uosiumen at gmail.com Thu Mar 13 12:21:45 2008 From: uosiumen at gmail.com (Krzysztof Hajdamowicz) Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 13:21:45 +0100 Subject: [Ambassadors] RE: Ambassadors Meeting EMEA - IRC Log 2008-03-12 Message-ID: <849180620803130521y15333e32t7f7b3f2a45917847@mail.gmail.com> > 21:19 #fedora-meeting: < spevack> I think that we need to make media > somewhere in EMEA that can ship to other places in EMEA. And we make > media in USA for places in USA. But it is a waste of money to ship CDs > across the ocean, and pay for customs. > 21:20 #fedora-meeting: < spevack> Fedora can pay the bill, but I need > help from locals in Europe to find a good manufacturer and price. I can talk with TAKT CD/DVD manufacter. the WWW is http://www.takt.com.pl/index.html (english and dutch languages availble). Minimum quantity is 500DVDs, I think that it is not enough for Europe. I should know price within 2-3 days -- regards, uosiu mail: uosiumen na serwerze uosiu kropka info jabber: uosiu na serwerze jabberpl kropka org From matthiaskranz at gmx.de Thu Mar 13 12:31:18 2008 From: matthiaskranz at gmx.de (Matthias Kranz) Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 13:31:18 +0100 Subject: [Ambassadors] RE: Ambassadors Meeting EMEA - IRC Log 2008-03-12 In-Reply-To: <849180620803130521y15333e32t7f7b3f2a45917847@mail.gmail.com> References: <849180620803130521y15333e32t7f7b3f2a45917847@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1205411478.4538.32.camel@dhcp-0-189.muc.redhat.com> On Thu, 2008-03-13 at 13:21 +0100, Krzysztof Hajdamowicz wrote: > > 21:19 #fedora-meeting: < spevack> I think that we need to make media > > somewhere in EMEA that can ship to other places in EMEA. And we make > > media in USA for places in USA. But it is a waste of money to ship CDs > > across the ocean, and pay for customs. > > 21:20 #fedora-meeting: < spevack> Fedora can pay the bill, but I need > > help from locals in Europe to find a good manufacturer and price. > > I can talk with TAKT CD/DVD manufacter. the WWW is > http://www.takt.com.pl/index.html (english and dutch languages > availble). > Minimum quantity is 500DVDs, I think that it is not enough for Europe. > I should know price within 2-3 days IMO, we already have a solution for EMEA. At least we have produced FC{5,6} and Fedora{7,8} here in Munich for a very low price. Quality was pretty good. You can see them here: https://www.redhat-coolstuff-store.com/index.php?o=4275 I will follow up with Max and the Fedora EMEA board regarding providing a order+ship process for EMEA-based events. Cheers, Matthias -- Matthias Kranz http://mkr.oerks.de From uosiumen at gmail.com Thu Mar 13 13:51:42 2008 From: uosiumen at gmail.com (Krzysztof Hajdamowicz) Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 14:51:42 +0100 Subject: [Ambassadors] RE: Ambassadors Meeting EMEA - IRC Log 2008-03-12 Message-ID: <849180620803130651q70953d7ib61d608e07f1c20@mail.gmail.com> So, I've spoken with TAKT, they can do 500DVD for 509,41 EUR (including 22% VAT) -- regards, uosiu mail: uosiumen on server uosiu with a small dot info jabber: uosiu on server jabberpl with a small dot org From fugolini at fedoraproject.org Thu Mar 13 19:23:58 2008 From: fugolini at fedoraproject.org (Francesco Ugolini) Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 20:23:58 +0100 Subject: [Ambassadors] RE: Ambassadors Meeting EMEA - IRC Log 2008-03-12 In-Reply-To: <1205411478.4538.32.camel@dhcp-0-189.muc.redhat.com> References: <849180620803130521y15333e32t7f7b3f2a45917847@mail.gmail.com> <1205411478.4538.32.camel@dhcp-0-189.muc.redhat.com> Message-ID: 2008/3/13, Matthias Kranz : > On Thu, 2008-03-13 at 13:21 +0100, Krzysztof Hajdamowicz wrote: > > > 21:19 #fedora-meeting: < spevack> I think that we need to make media > > > somewhere in EMEA that can ship to other places in EMEA. And we make > > > media in USA for places in USA. But it is a waste of money to ship CDs > > > across the ocean, and pay for customs. > > > 21:20 #fedora-meeting: < spevack> Fedora can pay the bill, but I need > > > help from locals in Europe to find a good manufacturer and price. > > > > I can talk with TAKT CD/DVD manufacter. the WWW is > > http://www.takt.com.pl/index.html (english and dutch languages > > availble). > > Minimum quantity is 500DVDs, I think that it is not enough for Europe. > > I should know price within 2-3 days > > > IMO, we already have a solution for EMEA. At least we have produced > FC{5,6} and Fedora{7,8} here in Munich for a very low price. Quality was > pretty good. You can see them here: > https://www.redhat-coolstuff-store.com/index.php?o=4275 > > I will follow up with Max and the Fedora EMEA board regarding providing > a order+ship process for EMEA-based events. > > Cheers, > > Matthias > > -- > Matthias Kranz > http://mkr.oerks.de > Sorry but i couldn't be there for this meeting ( i hope to take part to the next one ). I read the log and i found really interesting. You are working great :) Regards Francesco p.s. I will try to follow as better as i can all the local meeting. From jsimon at fedoraproject.org Thu Mar 13 22:46:26 2008 From: jsimon at fedoraproject.org (JoergSimon) Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 23:46:26 +0100 Subject: [Ambassadors] OpenExpo Day 2 Message-ID: <200803132346.31154.jsimon@fedoraproject.org> Today was our last Day at Open Expo. We were a strong team Fabian, Timea , Sandro, Frederic and finally Alan Cox and Jan Wildeboer. We all answered questions an encouraged people to work with us. A view minutes before i get a mail from a new contributor who want support Chitlesh with Fedora Electronic Lab. Jan and i had conversations with OLPC.ch and arranged some contacts to support/start a project in Jericho. Because Jan brought his OLPC B1 with a newer SW Version as the OLPC B2 that we had, i decided to upgrade firmware and software to try the colaboration stuff, Alan crossed his Fingers and after a view workarounds both OLPC could work together. Even the formating process looks great. Max&Seth, you see your old OLPC get a second life :-) All DVD?s, CD and many Flyers are given away - Fabian has the numbers. From the countless number of people with i had conversation at this day, there were around 10 People who will do something to support Fedora in some way. Yes, we need that "Join Fedora Station" and a coordinated mentoring to pick them up. I had also interesting talks with business people and told them how they can participate to the Fedora Project and get benefit (not in Money counts) with it. It is impossible to describe the fun and all the good things - that is somewhat you must experience by yourself. Find some pictures http://www.simline.de/OpenExpo08/ cu -- J?rg Simon jsimon at fedoraproject.org http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/JoergSimon Key Fingerprint: 3691 0989 2DCA 58A2 8D1F 2CAC C823 558E 5B5B 5688 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part. URL: From jmbabich at gmail.com Fri Mar 14 06:25:35 2008 From: jmbabich at gmail.com (John Babich) Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 09:25:35 +0300 Subject: [Ambassadors] OpenExpo Day 2 In-Reply-To: <200803132346.31154.jsimon@fedoraproject.org> References: <200803132346.31154.jsimon@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <9d2c731f0803132325q384ebfaha4aeba60ccbe2930@mail.gmail.com> 2008/3/14 JoergSimon : > Today was our last Day at Open Expo. We were a strong team Fabian, Timea , > Sandro, Frederic and finally Alan Cox and Jan Wildeboer. We all answered > questions an encouraged people to work with us. A view minutes before i get a > mail from a new contributor who want support Chitlesh with Fedora Electronic > Lab. A great Fedora team at the event. > Jan and i had conversations with OLPC.ch and arranged some contacts to > support/start a project in Jericho. Because Jan brought his OLPC B1 with a > newer SW Version as the OLPC B2 that we had, i decided to upgrade firmware > and software to try the colaboration stuff, Alan crossed his Fingers and > after a view workarounds both OLPC could work together. Even the formating > process looks great. Max&Seth, you see your old OLPC get a second life :-) > All DVD?s, CD and many Flyers are given away - Fabian has the numbers. From > the countless number of people with i had conversation at this day, there > were around 10 People who will do something to support Fedora in some way. > Yes, we need that "Join Fedora Station" and a coordinated mentoring to pick > them up. It sounds to me like you were very busy and had a very productive time. > I had also interesting talks with business people and told them how they can > participate to the Fedora Project and get benefit (not in Money counts) with > it. Fedora has a lot to offer to businesses, large and small, both in functionality, and even contributing savings to the bottom line. > It is impossible to describe the fun and all the good things - that is > somewhat you must experience by yourself. > Find some pictures http://www.simline.de/OpenExpo08/ I like the giant Fedora posters. Best Regards, John Babich Fedora Ambassador Member, FAmSCo From fab at fedoraproject.org Fri Mar 14 18:51:25 2008 From: fab at fedoraproject.org (Fabian Affolter) Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 19:51:25 +0100 Subject: [Ambassadors] OpenExpo 2008, Berne - Wednesday Message-ID: <47DAC92D.7010706@fedoraproject.org> The long first day of OpenExpo 2008 at Berne is over and the XO is still a good way to make the visitors stop at our booth. In Switzerland a lot of people have heard about the XO but never seen one and/or never had the possibility to play with. Most of them would like to pay for two and get one because it would be a very cool gift. To enter the fair ground 90 min before the official opening time to setup the booth is definitely to early. We were a bit lonely. Our "booth" has a small table, four chairs and a wall for Mo's poster. We also reuse some banners that Joerg has produced for FOSDEM. We splited our group because we had to handle the booth and the install zone. red decided to start at the install zone (he stayed the whole day there at the end) and Joerg, Timea und I managed the booth. My feeling were that there are more people around from beginning than in autumn 2007 at Zurich. It was a very good idea to have some flyers because often visitors only wanted some information about Fedora. Frederik Bijlsma arrived after a long train passage, unpacked the Fedora install DVDs, overlaid a "I am Fedora" t-shirt, and started to help us at the booth. Alan arrived before lunch time, too. OpenExpo provided snacks and drinks for free for all attendees for lunch, as always. Power plugs are different. You can build every interesting constructions to bring a UK plug in a swiss plug. And of course there aren't never enough places free for all those European laptop power adapters and it's good to have a "modified" version of a power distribution unit somewhere (unfortunately this device was 10 min away by foot). I have already learned my lessons during past events...I met a lot of people during the afternoon who are very happy with their system and Fedora. Amazingly one guy told me that he is using Fedora on a lot of web servers in a productive environment and that he still have two machines with Fedora Core 1 (he didn't express any details about the usage of this systems). One big issue are still the codecs. 5 to 6 people asked me how they can configure their systems to play DVDs or mp3. Why never ask anybody something about the synchronization of a mobile phone with Linux or something like that? I guess that there is no need for such things...DVD playback cares everyone. The operator of a well known search engine sponsored the social event. There were some lightning talks and some Freebeer. We sat together around a table and chatted a lit bit. Slowly I was getting tired and we went along with Joerg because he didn't know exactly where his hotel was. Tomorrow will be a new day and don't forget: Fedora always leads, never follows... http://fabaff.blogspot.com/2008/03/openexpo-01.html From fab at fedoraproject.org Fri Mar 14 18:58:42 2008 From: fab at fedoraproject.org (Fabian Affolter) Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 19:58:42 +0100 Subject: [Ambassadors] OpenExpo 2008, Berne - Thursday Message-ID: <47DACAE2.4040002@fedoraproject.org> The second day started as busy as the first one. I guess this was basically because the talk of Alan was the first one of the day. Everybody wanted to listen to his talk. 20 min before he started most seats in the room were already occupied. 10 min before the start there was no more standing room. 5 min later there was a 2 m long queue in front of the door. For us this was perfect because our booth was not far away from the door and so were able to grab all visitors who haven't found a seat. Alan became a Cypertool from the OpenExpo organization team for his talk. And what did Alan with this gift? He decided to pass this tool to us and Joerg and I agreed that we take it as a donation for the Fedora EventBox. So far the tool has a place in my personal EventBox till the "real" EventBox is available in Europe. Alan, thank you very much. Jan brought his OLPC along with a newer software version than the one of Joerg. Joerg was a bit jealousy and during the afternoon he started to update the OLPC from Seth. The formating process is very interesting. After the update Jan and Joerg tried to get the collaboration stuff to work. It took some time but at the end it worked. Only very slowly, but that unimportant. Because there was a big interest in the XO we gave out some flyers from the OLPC Switzerland Project and a report of a pilot study. As a countertrade they told the people about Fedora and gave away our flyers. Slowly the communities are becoming bigger and bigger and I guess that the point why a lot of university are interested in this processes. On Wednesday Joerg was interviewed by a guy from the University of Berne. Today it was my turn. A guy from the University of Munich asked me a lot of questions about the Fedora community, how we works, how the leadership is guiding us, how we are making decisions, what influences Red Hat has, what the ways are for building a good working community, and so on and on. At the end it took 40 min to answer all his questions. I guess that Max will kick my ass when we meet the next time because I have definitely a lack of knowledge about the work and the influence of the board, the position and the exact role of the community manager and the handling of important decisions which affects Red Hat and Fedora. Next time I will be more prepared, I promise... As usual the event was in a familiar atmosphere and it's was very good to meet a lot of people from the last OpenExpo and other projects again. Some numbers... * more or less 5 attendees -> 60% increase in comparison to the last OpenExpo in 2007 (there were exactly 4 ambassadors and 3 Red Hat employees. I don't took Alan and Jan into account because we didn't expected that Jan will be there too and that Alan hang around at your booth all time) * 150 flyers -> all gone (only one of the copy masters is left. Fortunately it did not disturb the people that the quality of the copies was not as good as I would gladly have had it) * around 70 Live CDs -> all gone * approximated 200 Install media Fedora 8 (from Red Hat Germany) -> all gone * 20 Fedora Sticker -> all gone * FUDCon rubber bands still a huge amount left * T-Shirts "I am Fedora" still a lot left (it's very useful to have some t-shirts in the back hand because if there are any new attendees they can wear them) * My impression was that there were more visitors than last autumn but this is only subjective. We hope that we will get some numbers about the visitors soon. Some remarks... * IMHO tables are not the right way to present anything to visitors because tables are too low and often too small. For looking at the XO everybody had to stoop when the battery of the XO was empty. Next point, even if you have free chairs the visitors will not take a seat. Excepting they have a lot of specific question or want an interview. * Don't sit the whole day at your table behind your laptop and hack. This shows to the visitors "move away and don't ask me anything". Just a little reminder. This issue was discussed already many many times in the past. * Having flyers is as important as Live media because nobody can remember 68 URLs... * Fedora Ambassador Business cards are apparently a most have. During the last year I used around 15 pieces most for PGP keysigning. During OpenExpo for me it would have been possible to give away around 30 because some people are interested in talks about Fedora and others just want to have a Fedora contact in their city. Now it's time to say "thank you" to all attendees. I like to thanks Frederik Bijlsma from Red Hat Frankfurt to provide us with a lot of Fedora 8 Install DVDs and helping at the booth. Again Alan Cox for the donation of the cybertool for the European Eventbox and that he hanged out a lot of hours at our booth and make people stop. Jan Wildeboer for his sweeping lightning talk during the social event and for taking care of the business interested visitors who have any questions about RHEL. A big thank goes to red (Sandro Mathys) for taking care of the install zone and Timea Rusz for helping at the booth, too. Joerg Simon for bringing all the stuff from FOSDEM like the posters, textile banners, Live media, t-shirts, and the XO. Without their help it would not have been possible to cover this event. http://fabaff.blogspot.com/2008/03/openexpo-2008-02.html From fab at fedoraproject.org Fri Mar 14 19:02:53 2008 From: fab at fedoraproject.org (Fabian Affolter) Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 20:02:53 +0100 Subject: [Ambassadors] OpenExpo 2008 Berne Message-ID: <47DACBDD.90508@fedoraproject.org> Hi guys, this is the collection of the reports, images, and other stuff around the OpenExpo 2008 at Berne so far. https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FedoraEvents/OpenExpo/OpenExpo2008_Berne Blog entries: red: Day 0 : http://blog.sandro-mathys.ch/2008/03/11/openexpo-2008-in-bern-switzerland-day-zero/ Joerg: Day 1 : http://kitall.blogspot.com/2008/03/open-expo-day1.html Day 2 : http://kitall.blogspot.com/2008/03/open-expo-day-2.html Fabian: Day 0 : http://fabaff.blogspot.com/2008/03/der-tag-vor-der-openexpo-oder-openexpo.html Day 1 : http://fabaff.blogspot.com/2008/03/openexpo-01.html Day 2 : http://fabaff.blogspot.com/2008/03/openexpo-2008-02.html Images: Joerg : http://www.simline.de/OpenExpo08/ Fabian : http://gallery.bernewireless.net/thumbnails.php?album=106 (later this day they will be online) Press: See red in action: http://www.espace.ch/artikel_494936.html http://www.espace.ch/artikel_494265.html http://www.espace.ch/artikel_494398.html http://www.espace.ch/artikel_494342.html Kind regards, Fabian From red at fedoraproject.org Fri Mar 14 19:20:12 2008 From: red at fedoraproject.org (Sandro "red" Mathys) Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 20:20:12 +0100 Subject: [Ambassadors] OpenExpo 2008 Berne In-Reply-To: <47DACBDD.90508@fedoraproject.org> References: <47DACBDD.90508@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <47DACFEC.7080401@fedoraproject.org> hi * Fabian seems to have missed my two most recent blog posts, I included them to the list below for completion. I won't mail the text of those reports separately to the list as my fellows did. Either visit the links or read the posts on the planet...I wouldn't like to fill up your mail box with those. Regards red Fabian Affolter wrote: > Hi guys, > > this is the collection of the reports, images, and other stuff around > the OpenExpo 2008 at Berne so far. > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FedoraEvents/OpenExpo/OpenExpo2008_Berne > > Blog entries: > > red: > Day 0 : > http://blog.sandro-mathys.ch/2008/03/11/openexpo-2008-in-bern-switzerland-day-zero/ Day 1: http://blog.sandro-mathys.ch/2008/03/14/openexpo-2008-in-bern-switzerland-day-one/ Day 2: http://blog.sandro-mathys.ch/2008/03/14/openexpo-2008-in-bern-switzerland-day-two/ > > > Joerg: > Day 1 : http://kitall.blogspot.com/2008/03/open-expo-day1.html > Day 2 : http://kitall.blogspot.com/2008/03/open-expo-day-2.html > > Fabian: > Day 0 : > http://fabaff.blogspot.com/2008/03/der-tag-vor-der-openexpo-oder-openexpo.html > > Day 1 : http://fabaff.blogspot.com/2008/03/openexpo-01.html > Day 2 : http://fabaff.blogspot.com/2008/03/openexpo-2008-02.html > > Images: > > Joerg : http://www.simline.de/OpenExpo08/ > Fabian : http://gallery.bernewireless.net/thumbnails.php?album=106 > (later this day they will be online) > > Press: > > See red in action: http://www.espace.ch/artikel_494936.html > > http://www.espace.ch/artikel_494265.html > http://www.espace.ch/artikel_494398.html > http://www.espace.ch/artikel_494342.html > > Kind regards, > > Fabian > > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list From kwade at redhat.com Sat Mar 15 03:45:34 2008 From: kwade at redhat.com (Karsten 'quaid' Wade) Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 20:45:34 -0700 Subject: [Ambassadors] LinuxWorld SF - Aug 4-7, 2008 In-Reply-To: References: <1205171710.27990.118.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1205552734.13919.131.camel@calliope.phig.org> On Mon, 2008-03-10 at 16:34 -0400, Max Spevack wrote: > On Mon, 10 Mar 2008, Paul W. Frields wrote: > > > I see that Fedora is listed in the exhibitors section. Just curious: > > who is going to this event and/or doing something on Fedora's behalf > > there? > > Whoever is going to be the overall responsible party for this event > needs to add it to the FedoraEvents page and claim ownership. > > Jack, is this one you, or does someone else have the LinuxWorld ball? I can attend but realistically shouldn't be counted on for much with planning. LWSF is still a touchstone for the West Coast free softies; regardless of value to others, LWSF should be on our list of events to hit pretty hard. Maybe we can coordinate a bit with the Red Hat event planners? Even though RHT hasn't had a booth there for a while, there are always people and announcements and industry receptions going on. - Karsten -- Karsten Wade, Developer Community Mgr. Dev Fu : http://developer.redhatmagazine.com Fedora : http://quaid.fedorapeople.org gpg key : AD0E0C41 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From linux at elfshadow.net Sat Mar 15 13:06:23 2008 From: linux at elfshadow.net (Jeffrey Tadlock) Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2008 09:06:23 -0400 Subject: [Ambassadors] Fedora Events Budget Message-ID: <10e0a9b00803150606x4f8e3187qc43b57205eee9376@mail.gmail.com> Max Spevack has alluded to the increased budget we have for Fedora Events this upcoming year. We are sure many have been wondering what this means for the Ambassadors as we prepare for events all around the world. FAmSCo has been busy getting information from Max and working with him to figure out the processes we will use to handle these funds. We operate on the Red Hat fiscal year for purposes of this budget. The Red Hat fiscal year quarters run as follows: March 2008 - May 2008 June 2008 - August 2008 September 2008 - November 2008 December 2008 - February 2008 Money has been set aside specifically for larger events and $12,000 USD has been set aside for global events and swag per quarter. Additional details are available from the Community Architecture Budget page [1] in the wiki. We are already into the first quarter and FAmSCo will work with the budget "on the fly" for events within the first quarter. For the second quarter starting in June 2008 we will be using a more formalized process to determine how to distribute the funds. We will use the Fedora Events page [2] in the wiki to determine which events will be considered. Because of this it will be imperative to make sure any event you are planning needs to be on that page. We are setting a deadline of May 1st, 2008 to have events posted that fall in the second quarter (June 2008 to August 2008) to the Fedora Events page. With an increased budget comes an increased responsibility as well. Max and the community architecture team has worked hard to help obtain the funds we need. In order to justify the increased budget we will need to show how this additional money has helped us spread Fedora to more people and made an impact. We will do this through increased event reporting. Many have already seen the event reports starting to be sent to the mailing lists and appearing on planet.fp.o. These reports are a quick way to raise visibility of Fedora and the events we attend. If you receive funds for an event from Fedora Project, these reports will be a requirement of receiving those funds. Event reports should include one blog post per day of event, a summary post to the Ambassadors list, the blog should be part of Fedora Planet and they should be completed within one week of the end of the event. We will be providing some additional guidelines of possible things to highlight from an event. FAmSCo is also developing a more templated report which can be reported to FAmSCo to aid in the gathering of metrics to help justify the increased budget. This has been a long email, but we wanted to make sure the Ambassador community was aware of what was happening. We will post additional details as we get them worked out. In summary, these are the important points to take from this email: ** We have an increased Fedora Event budget this year ** We need any events that need funds during the second quarter (June 2008 to August 2008) to be added to the Fedora Events page no later than May 1st, 2008. ** If you receive funds for an event there will be reporting requirements which include blog postings to Fedora Planet, a summary report to the Ambassadors mailing list and a metrics based report to FAmSCo. These are exciting times! Please let any FAmSCo member [3] know if you have any questions. Thanks, Jeffrey Tadlock on Behalf of FAmSCo [1] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/CommunityArchitecture/Expenses [2] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FedoraEvents [3] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/SteeringCommittee/ From fab at fedoraproject.org Sat Mar 15 17:00:14 2008 From: fab at fedoraproject.org (Fabian Affolter) Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2008 18:00:14 +0100 Subject: [Ambassadors] Linuxdays Geneva Message-ID: <47DC009E.6090303@fedoraproject.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hi all, At Thursday at the OpenExpo whilst I was filling out a feedback form. I saw a flyer about a two-day event at Geneva called Linuxdays [1]. Did anybody ever hear something about this event? It's seems to be a business event. Red Hat has attended in 2007. But that's more or less all I was able to find out. OK, my french is very bad. Kind regards, Fabian [1] http://linuxdays.ch/ -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFH3ACe4jzS3TakOX8RAqNbAJ9OIKjxAn2orqppp7htHlxn6KkixQCfSydK zYmaG1DCQjeRNoewhvceADE= =yruy -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From gerold at lugd.org Sat Mar 15 19:26:15 2008 From: gerold at lugd.org (Gerold Kassube) Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2008 20:26:15 +0100 Subject: [Ambassadors] Linuxdays Geneva In-Reply-To: <47DC009E.6090303@fedoraproject.org> References: <47DC009E.6090303@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <1205609175.3494.8.camel@F8NB.homenet.local> Hi Fabian, I "know" about that event, because I discussed attendence of myself or Fedora with some Board members of /ch/open [1] many month ago ... But as you already mentioned, it is more "business" driven and only in french and due a lack of my knowledge in speaking and understanding french I for myself decided: no attendence there BUT maybe we can ask Thomas Canniot and his Team to attend and help with french :-) Regards Gerold [1] http://www.ch-open.ch Am Samstag, den 15.03.2008, 18:00 +0100 schrieb Fabian Affolter: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Hi all, > > At Thursday at the OpenExpo whilst I was filling out a feedback form. I > saw a flyer about a two-day event at Geneva called Linuxdays [1]. > > Did anybody ever hear something about this event? It's seems to be a > business event. Red Hat has attended in 2007. But that's more or less > all I was able to find out. 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John = jmbuser fugolini: No problem thank you Today's agenda: 1. Events Budgets status (to be defined in the list) 2. Wiki Pages Cleanup status 3. Ambassadors Project status (events, activities etc...) 1. As i said Jeffrey can't be here well, i think we pretty much worked out all that budget stuff on the mailing list, and Jeffrey will send it to ambassadors list this weekend He is working hard defining great budget policies sorry but i'm typing on a real small keyboard spevack: do you want to say something about it ? well, just one quick thing i think that once jeffrey sends it to the list. it is important to remember that we have been thinking about this for a week or two now * jmn has quit ("Leaving.") other ambassadors might have questions, and let's make sure that we take time to watch the mailing list and help people understand I think that we need to be open to suggestions too the entire point of the process around getting th Events page updated one month before the quarter starts is that so everyone can make sure that we are using our money well the processes we are proposing are not too complicated but i want to make sure people know that we are open to feedback EOF Surely i will personally work overe there, i love feedbacks :) thank you Max? Ok, personally what i had to say about it is on the M-L take a look at it Let's go on 2. Wiki Pages Cleanup status Today i want to spend some time over this issue because it was a little bit undertaken and i was one of the people that undertook this During the last meeting i gave a deadline can i ask a quick question since i missed the last meeting? yep Is the goal basically to look at every page under Ambassadors/* on the wiki, determine if it is still useful, should be deleted, needs updating, etc? this is the first task we wanted to take care i think that is a very good idea and one that we are hoping that various Steering committees for all sub-projects will do with their part of the wiki. * MrTom (n=mrtom at fedora/MrTom) has joined #fedora-meeting Here is what I was thinking about doing. Francesco, you can tell me what you think ThomasCanniot * bop80medic (n=zeus at urz-ar224.urz.unibas.ch) has joined #fedora-meeting (sorry for being late) it's an hard job, but we have to divide the work between us MrTom: np + I was simply going to do a search on the wiki for all the pages under Ambassadors/* and make a list of pages that I think could be ok to delete, put those in a list, and let people consider it. EOF ! bop80medic: go ahead spevack: good, i created i small wiki page you can see here: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/SteeringCommittee/CleanUpPages bop80medic: fugolin1: i will add to it I am a bit late.. and I have to go on here I am AndreasR happy to see you we change our corenetwork this weekend and I have to go one with some work so I can not participate our meeting bop80medic: after the meeting we will send to Ambs and FAmSCo list the log eof thx a lot, sorry but I have still a lot things to plan will read the log and communicate throught our mailinglist eof I think everyone at famsco (except who is working in other task, like budget, but they are accepted if they want to work ) so thanks max :) ! jmbuser: thx too ... will leave now.. have a good meeting I can do some wiki cleanup too eof now it's only listing, but after we will finish such task we will start working over it fugolin1: i think the wiki cleanup is important, and i will help! * bop80medic has quit ("Verlassend") so, i think we could spend 10 minutes per day browsing the wiki the next task will be the concrete activity fugolin1: let's make it a goal to have a list of all the pages under Ambassadors/* that we think either should be deleted or that are "questionable" for next week? +1 +1 +1 too there are only about 300 pages, and most of them are meeting logs, so it won't be too hard http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FedoraMain?action=fullsearch&context=180&value=Ambassadors&titlesearch=Titles so, the next task after the listing will be the cleanup work i think we could ask for a wide partecipation off all Ambs proj * petreu has quit ("( www.nnscript.de :: NoNameScript 4.02 :: www.XLhost.de )") my personal idea is that we have to create a soustenable way to update faster and frequently * poelcat (n=slick at fedora/poelcat) has left #fedora-meeting it's not possible to have a lot of outdated pages and noboday takes care of it FAmSCo will coordinate the work, it would be responsible for some "sensible" pages and the other pages would be updated by the other ambs. eof What do you think? fugolin1: sounds like a decent plan. i'm sure it will work out, especially once we start to identify pages ! jmbuser: * jwb is now known as jwb_vac Is everyone familiar with how to track wiki changes using a wildcard? eof * spevack is * nim-nim has quit ("Leaving.") It's in your UserPreferences page spevack: correct If you put "Ambassadors.*" for example, then you will get an email when any page with Ambassadors in it changes. just in case anyone doesn't know spevack: That was my point - thanks i tracked some pages in the past * nim-nim (n=nim-nim at fedora/nim-nim) has joined #fedora-meeting i'm using this tool in wikipedia but this is offtopic ! The next meeting we will discuss about the result of the first part jmbuser We should remind people of this facility when we ask for help on the list eof * J5 has quit ("Ex-Chat") yes * RodrigoPadula (n=rodrigop at 201008255213.user.veloxzone.com.br) has joined #fedora-meeting I think we have to take care of this issue this week, i invite everyone to report everything he thinks important concerning this issue hi all! sorry.. im late it's important that everyone knows the opinion of the other RodrigoPadula: np *others if nobody has other questions we can go ahead ok ? 3 2 1 3. Ambassadors Project status (events, activities etc...) the last year we didn't have a lot of FAmSCo meetings i think it could be a good idea to have a small space to discuss briefly about less important issues etc... I want to start with a simple one: Fedora Ambassadors Voice posters * tibbs has quit ("Konversation terminated!") thanks to Nicubunu (he made a great job) we had some cool posters +1 As jeffrey remembered the flag template doesn't follow our policies so i think we could accept two posters the Post-It one and the Face one i think we could produce some of them and put at some events * fab_a (n=fabian at 147.87.134.44) has joined #fedora-meeting to sponsorize our sub-project that's all +1 +1 +1 this is exactly the sort of stuff that our $12k per quarter budget is for. good :) The next small issue is FAmSCo member events partecipations i think all we had to know where FAmSCo is just to have an ideas to improve our presence in certain countries/regions i don't know if you agree with me that's only a proposal tell me +1 here is what i think FAMSCo members should try to get to at least one or two events a year that are relatively close to their location. ! most famsco members already do FAR MORE than this especially in europe eof like fabian for example :) you sure ? :) and you too tom ;) roll on next one :) ! unfortunately this year was not good for me (expecially in may/june due to exams) i will try to carry the second part of year events *BIG events i will also work in Italy (but with smallest ones) fugolin1: it's no problem. i will be there too, which will help with having more people at events. in EMEA i attend an event mostly as an ambassador and not as a member of famsco. of course i'm a member of famsco but the visitors don't care about that :-) RodrigoPadula: here in brazil i'm covering all important events (see the events list) and now, i'm working to improve and support the latin american events and communities I think we have done a very good job of having people who are active leaders in Ambassadors end up on FAMSCo. And also, FAMSCo has a very global makeup. this year.. will be a good year for fedora in the latin america US, EMEA, South America, etc. ! eof jmbuser: and that is important -- because Greg and I -- our goal from *Red Hat* is to ensure that Fedora continues to glow globally, not just in the USA. s/glow/grow EOF I like glow I can cover Middle East and South Asia fairly easily - and parts of Africa if needed I think we could map the avaiability I think GITEX in Dubai was a success and would like to do it again this Autumn EOF jmbuser: +1 of FAmSCo members jmbuser: i want to come :) we are improving the resources to support the latin american community: now we have magazines in Portugues and Spanish, F?rum, Web sites and others FISL will be great!!! With Greg, me, David, and others spevack: You're always welcome :-) I think we have to be able to make some presentations at the events Max, you need to come to Brazil ;-) RodrigoPadula: at some point I will... Greg will be there this year! As you know, my focus is going to be on Europe, so i will be over there... but some day ;) ;-) it's all ok? * fab_a has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) i think we have to be able to make some presentations at the events i know our primarily work is not to promote ambs project i'm presenting 2 or 3 Lectures by event but i think our project is an innvoative one * fab_a (n=fabian at 147.87.134.44) has joined #fedora-meeting ! it is my belief that the most *valuable* events are not ones where the is only a booth, but where we have a Birds of a Feather session, or a Q&A, or various opportunities to speak or give a talk +1 i think we could make some slides that everyone at famsco could use to start i think people could be interested by such discussions ! spevack: * fabian_a has quit (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) * mether (n=ask at fedora/mether) has joined #fedora-meeting my opinion -- it is moderately useful to try to make slides for people, but overall i am not sure how useful this is everyone has a different presentation style +1 some people (like me) try to *never* use slides unless it is absolutely necessary i think that the most important thing we can do is make it clear to people who organize events that we want to see people giving talks about Feodra ! and events that are going to include sessions or talks get more funding, as a means of us demonstrating that importance. not to say that every event must have a session but the big ones definitely should EOF i'm talking about slides, but i was talking about something that can resume the keypoint of a possible discussion jmbuser: offtopic -- /me needs to go in about 5 minutes One important consideration is the type of event - trade show, commercial, open source, etc. ok, this is the last topic we are discussing today * rdieter has quit (Remote closed the connection) jmbuser: +1 Is the target developers and/or end users, management, etc? jmbuser: it was only an idea, i wasn't talking about defined talks etc... * fab_a has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) eof * fabian_a (n=fabian at 147.87.134.44) has joined #fedora-meeting as i said this meeting would be the place to discuss case per case each event and try to define some guidelines that's all read the beggining of this topic i think that one of the positive side effects of trying to use May 1 as a deadline for the June - August events is that it will give us a chance to examine each event and suggest to the organizers what sorts of things should be at it depending on size, what type of people come, etc. EOF +1 +1 i have many events to cover!! sugestion are very welcome! RodrigoPadula: as i said at the begginning of this issue this would be the place to discuss about this RodrigoPadula: you are already doing a great job ;) after i took an off-topic way At the end: would to add thyouis space or just to define some key meetings to talk about such issue? bad keyboard Would you add this space in each meeting or ... that's a question ! jmbuser: Do you mean something like - these are upcoming events and discuss strategy? eof ok, i was a little bit caotic i'm talking about upcoming events that will be covered by a famsco member i think it would be better to define it in a mail fugolin1: why don't we move it to the list then, and talk about it there? * spevack needs to go anyway :( yep +1 it is what i want :) for today we have finished thank you for leading our meeting today francesco! +1 thank you too talk to you all later -- have a good weekend. ok thanks to be here i will post the proposal tomorrow thanks max!! today i'm using my ibook and it has a really uncofortable keyboard blah.... see you! I will send to you a mail with many latin american results ;-) the next time i will use a wired one RodrigoPadula: great as you know i love feedbacks ;-) i love results hehehe i work better if i had some datas to analyze ehehe result is my second name :) Is the meeting over officially? in latin american... all is going very well ops == Meeting Adjourned == From jmbabich at gmail.com Sat Mar 15 20:13:07 2008 From: jmbabich at gmail.com (John Babich) Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2008 23:13:07 +0300 Subject: [Ambassadors] IRC Log of FAmSCo Meeting - 07 Mar 2008 In-Reply-To: <9d2c731f0803081055l43cd066fw4c1bef84ef3a0975@mail.gmail.com> References: <9d2c731f0803081055l43cd066fw4c1bef84ef3a0975@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <9d2c731f0803151313ucb2358ey5582790451d027aa@mail.gmail.com> Sorry, I just realized that this was not posted to the Fedora Ambassadors List last week Best Regards, John Babich Member, FAmSCo ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: John Babich Date: Sat, Mar 8, 2008 at 9:55 PM Subject: IRC Log of FAmSCo Meeting - 07 Mar 2008 To: famsco-list at redhat.com, For discussions about marketing and expanding the Fedora user base who is here? * fabian_a :-) * iWolf is here * jmbuser is here ok, we have the legal number roll call: FrancescoUgolini FabianAffolter JohnBabich rats. I have to leave. My wife called to say she slid off the road into the ditch (snow). So sorry guys... I will read the logs and catch up. my apologies again..... :( iwolf: I hope she's ok ok, so we will have an informal meetin (jeffrey: no problem, good luck) no problem log? ? ! jmbuser: Are we keeping a log or is this off-the-record? eof we have an IRC log if someone want to keep it fugolini" I'll keep it good ok, today we will discuss about "soft" issues, we are less than the FAmSCo majority and Max couldn't be here givining us more detail about budget issue (we will continue the discussion in the M-L) * ChitleshGoorah has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) Meeting agenda: 1. FAmSCo and Ambassadors wiki pages updates 2. Open Ambassadors Initiatives status if someone want to add other issues please tell me now 3 2 1 Ok, we start with the first issue in the agenda: FAmSCo and Ambassadors wiki pages updates Fabian wrote in the list that there are a lot of obsolete wiki pages ! He was right. fabian_a: (after i have to ask you a question concerning this topic) as example: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/Hoarding the ambassador start page http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors (there is too much content) http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/Schedule * MrTom (n=mrtom at fedora/MrTom) has joined #fedora-meeting and there are some more... eof ThomasCanniot fabian_a: you answered my question, i was in search of hoarding page (i asked you in one of my mail to your thread) but now it's ok? I think we have to take care of those page perhaps we should move this kind of content to art those are our references now i'm talking about the content pages for the Hoarding page etc... i think we could start asking to Ambassadors and then, with the help of art team we can improve them it's ok? +1 +1 ok, i'll write an email to the list tomorrow ! jmbuser: This is good time to be reviewing the wiki content and pages with the migration to MediaWiki coming soon. eof this is the second part of this issue i wanted to start that's an hard work and i think each FAmSCo member with the help of all ambassadors has to take care of We have to reorganize the welcome page (as fabian suggested), adding new content to ambassadors help pages work on new meeting templates etc... i think we have to make a list of what we have to update (like a To-Do list) +1 +1 +1 If there aren't volunteers for such issue, i will (tomorrow) create a wiki page where each person could add the page he thinks it's necessary to update we have moreover to decide a deadline: it's 15 days ok? back - wife is rescued... (15 days starting from the creating of the wiki page= iWolf: good ! *creation jmbuser: 15 days should be OK, but I believe no firm date has been set for the migration eof * iWolf is caught up +1 on wiki cleanup we can delay it whenever we want, it's just a trick to put us at work :) starting from me ehehe ok, so tomorrow (nobody offers himself) i will create a wiki page with such list if nobody as anything to say, we can leap to the next discussion 3 2 1 2. Open Ambassadors Initiatives I think you know the Fedora Ambassadors Wall initiative? ok, we have received a lot of messages and we are able to create the first poster with those ! for the layout i will ask nicubunu who gave me his avaiability for such work iWolf: Is there a link to the first post? I think I missed it. eof s/post/poster/ first post? about Fedora Ambassadors Wall? ah ok i didn't talk with nicubuntu yet givinig him the "go" i wanted to ask you before i want to ask you about the title: is ok "The Ambassadors Voice" a? Second: at the bottom there will be the Fedora Ambassadors site it would be a way to give more visibility to us This is the reason i want to officialize it today with an ok from FAmSCo we could create our first Ambassadors Poster it's ok? Have you concernings about it? ! jmbuser: Go for it - let's see what the Art team can come up with eof ok, i think it's not necessary to vote for this issue Now before adjourn the meeting i want to remember that we will continue to discuss abot those issue on the M-L. * iWolf phone Currently (i don't forget past issue, but now we have different priorities) we have two main issue: *issues 1. FAmSCo Budget: as i remembered we are discussing about this on the M-L. Jeffrey is doing a great job defining report guidelines, defining the structure of this one +1 FAmSCo members are invited to give thei opinions/ideas in the list 2. Wiki cleanup: we have to update contents and make informations easy to find * Mostafa (n=root at 217.219.95.36) has joined #fedora-meeting i will take care of it (if someone else want to do this) ! jmbuser: I can assist, but I can't drive it... eof happy to hear this thank you Once again i have to ask you if there are other issues you want to discuss 3 2 1 * kital has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) So, thank all the attendees From mspevack at redhat.com Sat Mar 15 20:56:12 2008 From: mspevack at redhat.com (Max Spevack) Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2008 16:56:12 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Ambassadors] Cebit Report 2008 In-Reply-To: <1359.217.162.12.42.1205138095.squirrel@www.gbc.net> References: <47D4EDFE.1070000@gmail.com> <1359.217.162.12.42.1205138095.squirrel@www.gbc.net> Message-ID: On Mon, 10 Mar 2008, Gerold wrote: >> As Cebit is the worlds largest computer fair, we should really get a >> presence their next year. > ^^ > I agree with one objection: The costs are somewhere in a budget and > payable ... We are putting process in place from FAMSCo that will ensure significantly better funding of events in the future year, worldwide. Jeffrey Tadlock has already sent a draft of this new process out to all Ambassadors for review. I am traveling this week (actually writing this email from a plane), but I will be available to answer questions, and I am 100% confident that FAMSCo can also handle any questions that might show up. Our event process this coming year will be significantly improved -- I will personally guarantee it and work to ensure it. Thank you all for your hard work as Ambassadors worldwide. --Max From matt at domsch.com Sun Mar 16 01:29:09 2008 From: matt at domsch.com (Matt Domsch) Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2008 19:29:09 -0600 Subject: [Ambassadors] LugRadio Live USA? Message-ID: <20080316012908.GA3026@domsch.com> Is anyone planning on attending LugRadio Live USA in San Francisco, April 12-13? http://lugradio.org/live/USA2008/ I note several other distributions will be present in the exhibitor space. There is no cost to exhibit. I don't see it on the Ambassadors calendar at present. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FedoraEvents Thanks, Matt From linux at elfshadow.net Sun Mar 16 01:36:38 2008 From: linux at elfshadow.net (Jeffrey Tadlock) Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2008 21:36:38 -0400 Subject: [Ambassadors] Event Reporting Guidelines Message-ID: <10e0a9b00803151836s2b4a5d56v6e93cbb4b8db37a2@mail.gmail.com> As mentioned in the earlier email [1] regarding the increased budget for Fedora events, there will be a reporting requirement for Ambassadors that receive funds or materials from Fedora Project for their event. These reports will be used to help show the increased budget was warranted and had a positive impact on promoting Fedora. To assist with these reports a new page has been created in the wiki to show the reporting requirements and to suggest content for these reports. The Event Reporting Guidelines are located here: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FedoraEvents/ReportingGuidelines If you have any questions please post them to the list or contact a FAmSCo member [2]. Thanks! Jeffrey [1] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-ambassadors-list/2008-March/msg00117.html [2] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/SteeringCommittee/ From fugolini at fedoraproject.org Sun Mar 16 08:51:14 2008 From: fugolini at fedoraproject.org (Francesco Ugolini) Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2008 09:51:14 +0100 Subject: [Ambassadors] IRC Log of FAMSCo Meeting - 14 Mar 2008 In-Reply-To: <9d2c731f0803151305t6497917fg17cfd8486517a5a6@mail.gmail.com> References: <9d2c731f0803151305t6497917fg17cfd8486517a5a6@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: 2008/3/15, John Babich : > hi, just 2 mins > hi francesco > hi guys > hi everybody > ok, i think the others will join us in the next minutes > we can start > * cebbert (n=cebbert at nat/redhat/x-5e55eba896d60c17) has joined #fedora-meeting > It's time for the roll call > FrancescoUgolini > JohnBabich > FabianAffolter > MaxSpevack > * knurd is now known as knurd_afk > * wolfy (n=lonewolf at fedora/wolfy) has left #fedora-meeting ("Your'er > so cheap, I bet you look under the bed in the morning to see if you > lost any sleep.") > * fugolini has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) > * spevack thinks things have been going pretty well overall the last > few weeks for famsco. lots of good progress > Unfortunately Jeffrey can't join the meeting due to work issues > spevack: this sounds good :) > Before we start with the agenda i want to know who will log > this meeting > last week was John > is ok for you to do this again ? > John = jmbuser > fugolini: No problem > thank you > Today's agenda: > 1. Events Budgets status (to be defined in the list) > 2. Wiki Pages Cleanup status > 3. Ambassadors Project status (events, activities etc...) > 1. As i said Jeffrey can't be here > well, i think we pretty much worked out all that budget > stuff on the mailing list, and Jeffrey will send it to ambassadors > list this weekend > He is working hard defining great budget policies > sorry but i'm typing on a real small keyboard > spevack: do you want to say something about it ? > well, just one quick thing > i think that once jeffrey sends it to the list. > it is important to remember that we have been thinking about > this for a week or two now > * jmn has quit ("Leaving.") > other ambassadors might have questions, and let's make sure > that we take time to watch the mailing list and help people understand > I think that we need to be open to suggestions too > the entire point of the process around getting th Events page updated > one month before the quarter starts > is that so everyone can make sure that we are using our money well > the processes we are proposing are not too complicated > but i want to make sure people know that we are open to feedback > EOF > Surely i will personally work overe there, i love feedbacks :) > thank you Max? > Ok, personally what i had to say about it is on the M-L > take a look at it > Let's go on > 2. Wiki Pages Cleanup status > Today i want to spend some time over this issue > because it was a little bit undertaken > and i was one of the people that undertook this > During the last meeting i gave a deadline > can i ask a quick question > since i missed the last meeting? > yep > Is the goal basically to look at every page under > Ambassadors/* on the wiki, determine if it is still useful, should be > deleted, needs updating, etc? > this is the first task we wanted to take care > i think that is a very good idea > and one that we are hoping that various Steering committees > for all sub-projects will do with their part of the wiki. > * MrTom (n=mrtom at fedora/MrTom) has joined #fedora-meeting > Here is what I was thinking about doing. Francesco, you can > tell me what you think > ThomasCanniot > * bop80medic (n=zeus at urz-ar224.urz.unibas.ch) has joined #fedora-meeting > (sorry for being late) > it's an hard job, but we have to divide the work between us > MrTom: np > + > I was simply going to do a search on the wiki for all the > pages under Ambassadors/* and make a list of pages that I think could > be ok to delete, put those in a list, and let people consider it. > EOF > ! > bop80medic: go ahead > spevack: good, i created i small wiki page you can see > here: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/SteeringCommittee/CleanUpPages > bop80medic: > fugolin1: i will add to it > I am a bit late.. and I have to go on here > I am AndreasR > happy to see you > we change our corenetwork this weekend and I have to go > one with some work > so I can not participate our meeting > bop80medic: after the meeting we will send to Ambs and > FAmSCo list the log > eof > thx a lot, sorry > but I have still a lot things to plan > will read the log and communicate throught our mailinglist > eof > I think everyone at famsco (except who is working in other > task, like budget, but they are accepted if they want to work ) > so thanks max > :) > ! > jmbuser: > thx too ... will leave now.. have a good meeting > I can do some wiki cleanup too > eof > now it's only listing, but after we will finish such task > we will start working over it > fugolin1: i think the wiki cleanup is important, and i will help! > * bop80medic has quit ("Verlassend") > so, i think we could spend 10 minutes per day browsing the wiki > the next task will be the concrete activity > fugolin1: let's make it a goal to have a list of all the > pages under Ambassadors/* that we think either should be deleted or > that are "questionable" for next week? > +1 > +1 > +1 too > there are only about 300 pages, and most of them are meeting > logs, so it won't be too hard > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FedoraMain?action=fullsearch&context=180&value=Ambassadors&titlesearch=Titles > so, the next task after the listing will be the cleanup work > i think we could ask for a wide partecipation off all Ambs proj > * petreu has quit ("( www.nnscript.de :: NoNameScript 4.02 :: www.XLhost.de )") > my personal idea is that we have to create a soustenable > way to update > faster and frequently > * poelcat (n=slick at fedora/poelcat) has left #fedora-meeting > it's not possible to have a lot of outdated pages and > noboday takes care of it > FAmSCo will coordinate the work, it would be responsible > for some "sensible" pages > and the other pages would be updated by the other ambs. > eof > What do you think? > fugolin1: sounds like a decent plan. i'm sure it will work > out, especially once we start to identify pages > ! > jmbuser: > * jwb is now known as jwb_vac > Is everyone familiar with how to track wiki changes using a wildcard? > eof > * spevack is > * nim-nim has quit ("Leaving.") > It's in your UserPreferences page > spevack: correct > If you put "Ambassadors.*" for example, then you will get an > email when any page with Ambassadors in it changes. > just in case anyone doesn't know > spevack: That was my point - thanks > i tracked some pages in the past > * nim-nim (n=nim-nim at fedora/nim-nim) has joined #fedora-meeting > i'm using this tool in wikipedia > but this is offtopic > ! > The next meeting we will discuss about the result of the first part > jmbuser > We should remind people of this facility when we ask for > help on the list > eof > * J5 has quit ("Ex-Chat") > yes > * RodrigoPadula (n=rodrigop at 201008255213.user.veloxzone.com.br) has > joined #fedora-meeting > I think we have to take care of this issue this week, i > invite everyone to report everything he thinks important concerning > this issue > hi all! > sorry.. im late > it's important that everyone knows the opinion of the other > RodrigoPadula: np > *others > if nobody has other questions we can go ahead > ok ? > 3 > 2 > 1 > 3. Ambassadors Project status (events, activities etc...) > the last year we didn't have a lot of FAmSCo meetings > i think it could be a good idea to have a small space to > discuss briefly about less important issues etc... > I want to start with a simple one: Fedora Ambassadors Voice posters > * tibbs has quit ("Konversation terminated!") > thanks to Nicubunu (he made a great job) we had some cool posters > +1 > As jeffrey remembered the flag template doesn't follow our policies > so i think we could accept two posters the Post-It one and > the Face one > i think we could produce some of them and put at some events > * fab_a (n=fabian at 147.87.134.44) has joined #fedora-meeting > to sponsorize our sub-project > that's all > +1 > +1 > +1 > this is exactly the sort of stuff that our $12k per quarter > budget is for. > good :) > The next small issue is FAmSCo member events partecipations > i think all we had to know where FAmSCo is > just to have an ideas to improve our presence in certain > countries/regions > i don't know if you agree with me > that's only a proposal > tell me > +1 > here is what i think > FAMSCo members should try to get to at least one or two > events a year that are relatively close to their location. > ! > most famsco members already do FAR MORE than this > especially in europe > eof > like fabian for example :) > you sure ? :) > and you too tom ;) > roll on next one :) > ! > unfortunately this year was not good for me (expecially in > may/june due to exams) > i will try to carry the second part of year events > *BIG events > i will also work in Italy (but with smallest ones) > fugolin1: it's no problem. i will be there too, which will > help with having more people at events. > in EMEA > i attend an event mostly as an ambassador and not as a member > of famsco. of course i'm a member of famsco but the visitors don't > care about that :-) > RodrigoPadula: > here in brazil i'm covering all important events (see > the events list) > and now, i'm working to improve and support the latin > american events and communities > I think we have done a very good job of having people who > are active leaders in Ambassadors end up on FAMSCo. And also, FAMSCo > has a very global makeup. > this year.. will be a good year for fedora in the latin america > US, EMEA, South America, etc. > ! > eof > jmbuser: > and that is important -- because Greg and I -- our goal from > *Red Hat* is to ensure that Fedora continues to glow globally, not > just in the USA. > s/glow/grow > EOF > I like glow > I can cover Middle East and South Asia fairly easily - and > parts of Africa if needed > I think we could map the avaiability > I think GITEX in Dubai was a success and would like to do it > again this Autumn > EOF > jmbuser: +1 > of FAmSCo members > jmbuser: i want to come :) > we are improving the resources to support the latin > american community: now we have magazines in Portugues and Spanish, > F?rum, Web sites and others > FISL will be great!!! With Greg, me, David, and others > spevack: You're always welcome :-) > I think we have to be able to make some presentations at the events > Max, you need to come to Brazil ;-) > RodrigoPadula: at some point I will... Greg will be there > this year! As you know, my focus is going to be on Europe, so i will > be over there... but some day ;) > ;-) > it's all ok? > * fab_a has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) > i think we have to be able to make some presentations at the events > i know our primarily work is not to promote ambs project > i'm presenting 2 or 3 Lectures by event > but i think our project is an innvoative one > * fab_a (n=fabian at 147.87.134.44) has joined #fedora-meeting > ! > it is my belief that the most *valuable* events are not ones > where the is only a booth, but where we have a Birds of a Feather > session, or a Q&A, or various opportunities to speak or give a talk > +1 > i think we could make some slides that everyone at famsco > could use to start > i think people could be interested by such discussions > ! > spevack: > * fabian_a has quit (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) > * mether (n=ask at fedora/mether) has joined #fedora-meeting > my opinion -- it is moderately useful to try to make slides > for people, but overall i am not sure how useful this is > everyone has a different presentation style > +1 > some people (like me) try to *never* use slides unless it is > absolutely necessary > i think that the most important thing we can do > is make it clear to people who organize events that we want > to see people giving talks about Feodra > ! > and events that are going to include sessions or talks > get more funding, as a means of us demonstrating that importance. > not to say that every event must have a session > but the big ones definitely should > EOF > i'm talking about slides, but i was talking about something > that can resume the keypoint of a possible discussion > jmbuser: > offtopic -- /me needs to go in about 5 minutes > One important consideration is the type of event - trade > show, commercial, open source, etc. > ok, this is the last topic we are discussing today > * rdieter has quit (Remote closed the connection) > jmbuser: +1 > Is the target developers and/or end users, management, etc? > jmbuser: it was only an idea, i wasn't talking about > defined talks etc... > * fab_a has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) > eof > * fabian_a (n=fabian at 147.87.134.44) has joined #fedora-meeting > as i said this meeting would be the place to discuss case per case > each event > and try to define some guidelines > that's all > read the beggining of this topic > i think that one of the positive side effects > of trying to use May 1 as a deadline for the June - August events > is that it will give us a chance to examine each event > and suggest to the organizers what sorts of things should be at it > depending on size, what type of people come, etc. > EOF > +1 > +1 > i have many events to cover!! sugestion are very welcome! > RodrigoPadula: as i said at the begginning of this issue > this would be the place to discuss about this > RodrigoPadula: you are already doing a great job ;) > after i took an off-topic way > At the end: would to add thyouis space or just to define > some key meetings to talk about such issue? > bad keyboard > Would you add this space in each meeting or ... > that's a question > ! > jmbuser: > Do you mean something like - these are upcoming events and > discuss strategy? > eof > ok, i was a little bit caotic > i'm talking about upcoming events that will be covered by a > famsco member > i think it would be better to define it in a mail > fugolin1: why don't we move it to the list then, and talk > about it there? > * spevack needs to go anyway :( > yep > +1 > it is what i want :) > for today we have finished > thank you for leading our meeting today francesco! > +1 > thank you too > talk to you all later -- have a good weekend. > ok > thanks to be here > i will post the proposal tomorrow > thanks max!! > today i'm using my ibook and it has a really uncofortable keyboard > blah.... > see you! I will send to you a mail with many latin > american results ;-) > the next time i will use a wired one > RodrigoPadula: great > as you know i love feedbacks > ;-) > i love results hehehe > i work better if i had some datas to analyze > ehehe > result is my second name :) > Is the meeting over officially? > in latin american... all is going very well > ops > == Meeting Adjourned == > > Thank you John. This afternoon i'm going to start working over the Wiki pages cleanup. Regards Francesco Ugolini From fab at fedoraproject.org Sun Mar 16 11:39:33 2008 From: fab at fedoraproject.org (Fabian Affolter) Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2008 12:39:33 +0100 Subject: [Ambassadors] Open Source Expo Karlsruhe Message-ID: <47DD06F5.10603@fedoraproject.org> Hi all, While browsing the net I found some information about a new event in Karlsruhe, Germany [1]. Maybe some local ambassadors want to cover this event (May 25-26, 2008) right in front of LinuxTag. If you have a lot of time [2], here is your schedule for May ;-) May 21-22, 2008 LinuxDays Geneva, Switzerland May 25-26, 2008 Open Source Expo Karlsruhe, Germany May 27, 2008 FAD Berlin Berlin, Germany May 28-31, 2008 LinuxTag Berlin, Germany Kind regards, Fabian [1] http://entwickler.com/konferenzen/opensourceexpo08/cf-project.php [2] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FedoraEvents From jonstanley at gmail.com Sun Mar 16 14:23:35 2008 From: jonstanley at gmail.com (Jon Stanley) Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2008 10:23:35 -0400 Subject: [Ambassadors] IRC Log of FAMSCo Meeting - 14 Mar 2008 In-Reply-To: References: <9d2c731f0803151305t6497917fg17cfd8486517a5a6@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Sun, Mar 16, 2008 at 4:51 AM, Francesco Ugolini wrote: > This afternoon i'm going to start working over the Wiki pages cleanup. You might want to take into account what John Poelstra and I did with the bug triage pages as we relaunched that project. The whole section of the wiki had a quite extreme makeover. We loosely based it on Infrastructure - a landing page (http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/BugZappers) which is short, sweet, to the point, and more pages underneath that with the real details. We tried to avoid duplication of information as much as possible, and make each page deal with 1 or at the most 2 related topics. I really like how it came out, as opposed to the previous (http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/BugZappers?action=recall&rev=41) jumble of old, obsolete nonsense that it was. Just a suggestion, I don't think I'm really qualified to help on the Ambassadors section :) -Jon From elio at tondo.it Sun Mar 16 18:40:25 2008 From: elio at tondo.it (Elio Tondo) Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2008 19:40:25 +0100 Subject: [Ambassadors] IRC Log of FAMSCo Meeting - 14 Mar 2008 In-Reply-To: References: <9d2c731f0803151305t6497917fg17cfd8486517a5a6@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <47DD6999.8020007@tondo.it> Francesco Ugolini wrote: > This afternoon i'm going to start working over the Wiki pages cleanup. Maybe someone already reported that (I have currently over 400 messages unread on Marketing and Ambassadors lists...), but I just noticed that at the bottom of the Fedora 9 Feature List: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/9/FeatureList there is a link to the Fedora 9 Release Summary: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/9/ReleaseSummary that seems an incomplete template, beginning with Fedora 9 (codename) Release Summary and contents like: Exciting feature blah Lah lah lah Wonderful improvement foo oh my!. Screenshots.. Maybe the right page is somewhere else, and the link needs updating? Regards Elio From fugolini at fedoraproject.org Sun Mar 16 19:45:41 2008 From: fugolini at fedoraproject.org (Francesco Ugolini) Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2008 20:45:41 +0100 Subject: [Ambassadors] IRC Log of FAMSCo Meeting - 14 Mar 2008 In-Reply-To: <47DD6999.8020007@tondo.it> References: <9d2c731f0803151305t6497917fg17cfd8486517a5a6@mail.gmail.com> <47DD6999.8020007@tondo.it> Message-ID: 2008/3/16, Elio Tondo : > Francesco Ugolini wrote: > > > This afternoon i'm going to start working over the Wiki pages cleanup. > > > Maybe someone already reported that (I have currently over 400 messages > unread on Marketing and Ambassadors lists...), but I just noticed that > at the bottom of the Fedora 9 Feature List: > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/9/FeatureList > > there is a link to the Fedora 9 Release Summary: > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/9/ReleaseSummary > > that seems an incomplete template, beginning with > > Fedora 9 (codename) Release Summary > > and contents like: > > Exciting feature blah > Lah lah lah > > Wonderful improvement foo > oh my!. Screenshots.. > > Maybe the right page is somewhere else, and the link needs updating? > > Regards > > Elio > > I was talking about /Ambassadors/ pages (the cleanup process is related to Ambassadors Project pages). I think, according to Marketing M-L's mails, Marketing project is working on Fedora 9 Release Summary. Anyway thank you for this advice, many Ambassadors (like me) are member of Marketing Project, I think someone will take care of it (and surely is working over it). Regards Francesco Ugolini From valent.turkovic at gmail.com Sun Mar 16 21:59:24 2008 From: valent.turkovic at gmail.com (Valent Turkovic) Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2008 22:59:24 +0100 Subject: [Ambassadors] F8 Live CD respin without first boot wizard?!? Message-ID: <64b14b300803161459k14d82c89y8a071487fac00b72@mail.gmail.com> Hi, our local LUG organized Fedora/Ubuntu install fest and I created for that occasion respin of Fedora 8 Live CD with updated packages because I didn't want to have 10 people go and try to get 200MB (or is it even more) of updates all at once. I found out one bug that livecd.creator has or kickstart file, or something else, so please help me because I don't know where to file this bug. I recreated the Fedora 8 Live CD with this command: livecd-creator -c livecd-fedora-8-desktop.ks -f F8Desktop -t /virtual/tmp It boots and it installs to hard disk without problems, but after first boot there is no "first boot wizard" that creates user so all users get is an empty gdm screen to which then can it they know enter root as a user. Has anybody tried making respins for F8 Live CD? Do your lice CDs work as original F8 so that you get first time boot wizard that asks for user name and password so you create user that will log on later? Cheers, Valent. -- http://kernelreloaded.blog385.com/ linux, blog, anime, spirituality, windsurf, wireless registered as user #367004 with the Linux Counter, http://counter.li.org. ICQ: 2125241, Skype: valent.turkovic From lfelipebm at yahoo.com.br Mon Mar 17 12:44:00 2008 From: lfelipebm at yahoo.com.br (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Luis_Felipe_Marzag=E3o/Yahoo?=) Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2008 09:44:00 -0300 Subject: RES: [Ambassadors] F8 Live CD respin without first boot wizard?!? In-Reply-To: <64b14b300803161459k14d82c89y8a071487fac00b72@mail.gmail.com> References: <64b14b300803161459k14d82c89y8a071487fac00b72@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <002601c8882c$983248f0$cc00a8c0@rbsm204> I?m having this issue also, but only when I enable the updates repo. Please, take a look at the attached screenshot. This is what happens when the system tries to run firstboot. It's the same message when I try to run it from CLI in a terminal window: [root at localhost ~]# firstboot File "/usr/sbin/firstboot", line 101, in firstbootWindow(fb) File "/usr/share/firstboot/firstbootWindow.py", line 150, in __init__ self.loadModules() File "/usr/share/firstboot/firstbootWindow.py", line 426, in loadModules loaded = imputil.imp.load_module(module, found[0], found[1], found[2]) File "/usr/share/firstboot/modules/smolt.py", line 10, in from firstboot.config import * Doesn't matter if it's a LiveCD installed or a DVDInstall installed. The error is the same. LuisMarzagao -----Mensagem original----- De: fedora-ambassadors-list-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:fedora-ambassadors-list-bounces at redhat.com] Em nome de Valent Turkovic Enviada em: domingo, 16 de mar?o de 2008 18:59 Para: Fedora Development; Fedora Ambassadors Assunto: [Ambassadors] F8 Live CD respin without first boot wizard?!? Hi, our local LUG organized Fedora/Ubuntu install fest and I created for that occasion respin of Fedora 8 Live CD with updated packages because I didn't want to have 10 people go and try to get 200MB (or is it even more) of updates all at once. I found out one bug that livecd.creator has or kickstart file, or something else, so please help me because I don't know where to file this bug. I recreated the Fedora 8 Live CD with this command: livecd-creator -c livecd-fedora-8-desktop.ks -f F8Desktop -t /virtual/tmp It boots and it installs to hard disk without problems, but after first boot there is no "first boot wizard" that creates user so all users get is an empty gdm screen to which then can it they know enter root as a user. Has anybody tried making respins for F8 Live CD? Do your lice CDs work as original F8 so that you get first time boot wizard that asks for user name and password so you create user that will log on later? Cheers, Valent. -- http://kernelreloaded.blog385.com/ linux, blog, anime, spirituality, windsurf, wireless registered as user #367004 with the Linux Counter, http://counter.li.org. ICQ: 2125241, Skype: valent.turkovic -- Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: firstboot_issue.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 107265 bytes Desc: not available URL: From kanarip at kanarip.com Mon Mar 17 14:03:44 2008 From: kanarip at kanarip.com (Jeroen van Meeuwen) Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2008 15:03:44 +0100 Subject: RES: [Ambassadors] F8 Live CD respin without first boot wizard?!? In-Reply-To: <002601c8882c$983248f0$cc00a8c0@rbsm204> References: <64b14b300803161459k14d82c89y8a071487fac00b72@mail.gmail.com> <002601c8882c$983248f0$cc00a8c0@rbsm204> Message-ID: <47DE7A40.608@kanarip.com> I've been getting reports from Re-Spins in which first-boot / smolt is b0rked, too. It's not a LiveCD or Installation Media issue though, neither in composing nor installation; it really is a problem caused by the related packages: judging from the traceback it's related to smolt and firstboot. I suggest you log a bug upstream if there isn't one already (I haven't seen it). Kind regards, Jeroen van Meeuwen -kanarip Luis Felipe Marzag?o/Yahoo wrote: > I?m having this issue also, but only when I enable the updates repo. > > Please, take a look at the attached screenshot. This is what happens > when the system tries to run firstboot. > > It's the same message when I try to run it from CLI in a terminal window: > > > [root at localhost ~]# firstboot > File "/usr/sbin/firstboot", line 101, in > firstbootWindow(fb) > File "/usr/share/firstboot/firstbootWindow.py", line 150, in __init__ > self.loadModules() > File "/usr/share/firstboot/firstbootWindow.py", line 426, in loadModules > loaded = imputil.imp.load_module(module, found[0], found[1], found[2]) > File "/usr/share/firstboot/modules/smolt.py", line 10, in > from firstboot.config import * > > Doesn't matter if it's a LiveCD installed or a DVDInstall installed. The > error is the same. > > LuisMarzagao > > -----Mensagem original----- > De: fedora-ambassadors-list-bounces at redhat.com > [mailto:fedora-ambassadors-list-bounces at redhat.com] Em nome de Valent > Turkovic > Enviada em: domingo, 16 de mar?o de 2008 18:59 > Para: Fedora Development; Fedora Ambassadors > Assunto: [Ambassadors] F8 Live CD respin without first boot wizard?!? > > Hi, > our local LUG organized Fedora/Ubuntu install fest and I created for that > occasion respin of Fedora 8 Live CD with updated packages because I didn't > want to have 10 people go and try to get 200MB (or is it even > more) of updates all at once. > > I found out one bug that livecd.creator has or kickstart file, or something > else, so please help me because I don't know where to file this bug. > > I recreated the Fedora 8 Live CD with this command: > livecd-creator -c livecd-fedora-8-desktop.ks -f F8Desktop -t /virtual/tmp > > It boots and it installs to hard disk without problems, but after first boot > there is no "first boot wizard" that creates user so all users get is an > empty gdm screen to which then can it they know enter root as a user. > > Has anybody tried making respins for F8 Live CD? Do your lice CDs work as > original F8 so that you get first time boot wizard that asks for user name > and password so you create user that will log on later? > > Cheers, > Valent. > > -- > http://kernelreloaded.blog385.com/ > linux, blog, anime, spirituality, windsurf, wireless registered as user > #367004 with the Linux Counter, http://counter.li.org. > ICQ: 2125241, Skype: valent.turkovic > > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list From valent.turkovic at gmail.com Mon Mar 17 14:10:39 2008 From: valent.turkovic at gmail.com (Valent Turkovic) Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2008 15:10:39 +0100 Subject: RES: [Ambassadors] F8 Live CD respin without first boot wizard?!? In-Reply-To: <47DE7A40.608@kanarip.com> References: <64b14b300803161459k14d82c89y8a071487fac00b72@mail.gmail.com> <002601c8882c$983248f0$cc00a8c0@rbsm204> <47DE7A40.608@kanarip.com> Message-ID: <64b14b300803170710o3d1f5621t9f8e04e42dbb8dd5@mail.gmail.com> On Mon, Mar 17, 2008 at 3:03 PM, Jeroen van Meeuwen wrote: > I've been getting reports from Re-Spins in which first-boot / smolt is > b0rked, too. It's not a LiveCD or Installation Media issue though, > neither in composing nor installation; it really is a problem caused by > the related packages: judging from the traceback it's related to smolt > and firstboot. > > I suggest you log a bug upstream if there isn't one already (I haven't > seen it). > > Kind regards, > > Jeroen van Meeuwen > -kanarip https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=437765 Is this ok? -- http://kernelreloaded.blog385.com/ linux, blog, anime, spirituality, windsurf, wireless registered as user #367004 with the Linux Counter, http://counter.li.org. ICQ: 2125241, Skype: valent.turkovic From kanarip at kanarip.com Mon Mar 17 14:15:20 2008 From: kanarip at kanarip.com (Jeroen van Meeuwen) Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2008 15:15:20 +0100 Subject: RES: [Ambassadors] F8 Live CD respin without first boot wizard?!? In-Reply-To: <64b14b300803170710o3d1f5621t9f8e04e42dbb8dd5@mail.gmail.com> References: <64b14b300803161459k14d82c89y8a071487fac00b72@mail.gmail.com> <002601c8882c$983248f0$cc00a8c0@rbsm204> <47DE7A40.608@kanarip.com> <64b14b300803170710o3d1f5621t9f8e04e42dbb8dd5@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <47DE7CF8.50109@kanarip.com> Valent Turkovic wrote: > On Mon, Mar 17, 2008 at 3:03 PM, Jeroen van Meeuwen wrote: >> I've been getting reports from Re-Spins in which first-boot / smolt is >> b0rked, too. It's not a LiveCD or Installation Media issue though, >> neither in composing nor installation; it really is a problem caused by >> the related packages: judging from the traceback it's related to smolt >> and firstboot. >> >> I suggest you log a bug upstream if there isn't one already (I haven't >> seen it). >> >> Kind regards, >> >> Jeroen van Meeuwen >> -kanarip > > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=437765 > > Is this ok? > Looks about right but I have changed the component to smolt, see comments in the bug. Kind regards, Jeroen van Meeuwen -kanarip From valent.turkovic at gmail.com Mon Mar 17 14:19:09 2008 From: valent.turkovic at gmail.com (Valent Turkovic) Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2008 15:19:09 +0100 Subject: [Ambassadors] RFEs and bugs I posted today (please look) Message-ID: <64b14b300803170719h87192a4o60eccd772f126ee4@mail.gmail.com> I've been busy today so please look at these RFEs and bugs: RFE: Warn before closing install window: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=437772 RFE: Make Live CD time zone behave like Evolution time zone chooser: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=437767 After install of F8 respin firstboot wizard isn't started: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=437765 reopened: RFE: Anaconda needs to rename "advanced" to "assisted" partitioning mode and add real advanced mode https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=430087 update: RFE: add link to nautilus burner somewhere in Applications menu https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=315141 -- http://kernelreloaded.blog385.com/ linux, blog, anime, spirituality, windsurf, wireless registered as user #367004 with the Linux Counter, http://counter.li.org. ICQ: 2125241, Skype: valent.turkovic From kanarip at kanarip.com Mon Mar 17 14:26:50 2008 From: kanarip at kanarip.com (Jeroen van Meeuwen) Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2008 15:26:50 +0100 Subject: [Ambassadors] RFEs and bugs I posted today (please look) In-Reply-To: <64b14b300803170719h87192a4o60eccd772f126ee4@mail.gmail.com> References: <64b14b300803170719h87192a4o60eccd772f126ee4@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <47DE7FAA.2090703@kanarip.com> Valent Turkovic wrote: > I've been busy today so please look at these RFEs and bugs: > > RFE: Warn before closing install window: > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=437772 > Take this one to the LiveCD devel/support list: fedora-livecd-list at redhat.com > RFE: Make Live CD time zone behave like Evolution time zone chooser: > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=437767 > Same thing here > After install of F8 respin firstboot wizard isn't started: > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=437765 > I corrected the component for this bug. > reopened: > RFE: Anaconda needs to rename "advanced" to "assisted" partitioning > mode and add real advanced mode > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=430087 > This is typically something for the anaconda-devel-list at redhat.com, or possibly even fedora-devel-list at redhat.com first. > update: > RFE: add link to nautilus burner somewhere in Applications menu > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=315141 > I don't know where this should go, probably fedora-devel-list at redhat.com, but it most definitely does not belong on the Ambassadors list. Kind regards, Jeroen van Meeuwen -kanarip From stickster at gmail.com Mon Mar 17 15:56:53 2008 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2008 15:56:53 +0000 Subject: [Ambassadors] LugRadio Live USA? In-Reply-To: <20080316012908.GA3026@domsch.com> References: <20080316012908.GA3026@domsch.com> Message-ID: <1205769413.351.52.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Sat, 2008-03-15 at 19:29 -0600, Matt Domsch wrote: > Is anyone planning on attending LugRadio Live USA in San Francisco, > April 12-13? > > http://lugradio.org/live/USA2008/ > > I note several other distributions will be present in the exhibitor > space. There is no cost to exhibit. > > I don't see it on the Ambassadors calendar at present. > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FedoraEvents Do we have any local Ambassadors who want to own this event? That would cut down on the cost in a busy calendar. This is more of a social conference, and the F9 release is a few weeks afterward, so maybe we should discuss the value of attendance. We were not asked to provide any speakers, but we might be able to get a booth still if someone's interested. -- Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Frields) Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2008 07:06:12 -0400 Subject: [Ambassadors] LinuxTag Message-ID: <1205838372.25162.22.camel@localhost.localdomain> I'm sure most travelers to LinuxTag already know this, but you can find important travel and visa information for Germany at: http://www.cometogermany.com/ENU/infocenter/entry_customs_regulations.htm -- Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From stickster at gmail.com Wed Mar 19 11:24:00 2008 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2008 07:24:00 -0400 Subject: [Ambassadors] GPL compliance Message-ID: <1205925840.12292.9.camel@localhost.localdomain> Giving out CDs/DVDs -------------------- The Fedora Project Board wants our project to remain in compliance with Free and Open Source Software licenses. We also want to make sure our Ambassadors are properly following those licenses when they distribute Fedora. By making sure we are meeting our obligations under these licenses, we protect Fedora and all its contributors, including you, our Ambassadors. The Board asks you to do the following at events where you hand out CDs or DVDs of Fedora: 1) Let people know that source code for everything on the CDs/DVDs is available for download from fedoraproject.org. Place at least a simple piece of paper on the table at the booth, which states: Source Code available on http://fedoraproject.org. Physical media with source code available upon request. 2) Bring blank CDs, a computer with a CD burner, and a copy of the SRPMS directory matching the Fedora release for which you're handing out media. Encourage anyone who asks for the source code to download it from fedoraproject.org. If someone insists, burn them CDs containing the source code. You will probably not need to do this often, but this step is necessary to comply with the licenses. http://domsch.com/linux/fedora/fedora-8-livecd-srpms.txt contains the list of SRPMS corresponding to the packages on the Fedora 8 i686 and x86_64 Live images. Use whichever tools you like to download and burn those to media. Thank you for your attention to this matter, and thank you for supporting Fedora! Reasons Why This is Important ----------------------------- The Fedora Project distributes its software under terms of each of the licenses, including the GNU General Public License, version 2. These licenses often have a requirement, such as in GPLv2 paragraph 3, to make the "corresponding source code" available to recipients of binary code. The Fedora Project publishes the binaries, and source code, on the same web sites for download. By that definition, the Fedora Project distributes under paragraph 3(a). Refer also to: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Legal/Distribution When Ambassadors hand out CDs and DVDs at events, they need to be able to give recipients the corresponding source code on physical media. One way to do this is to produce (or be ready to burn on-site) a few CDs with the source code, as downloaded from fedoraproject.org. At events, you could post a sign such as: Source Code available on http://fedoraproject.org. CDs with source code available upon request. Now, if someone at the show asks, you can encourage them to download the code themselves (and become a contributor to Fedora). If they insist on getting source code on physical media, then provide them with CDs with the source code. This is an additional bit of work on the part of our Ambassadors, but it protects both the Ambassadors, and the Fedora Project, from any undue criticism and future obligation under these licenses. Matt Domsch has started a project on fedorahosted.org, called 'correspondingsource'. The goal of 'correspondingsource' is to make it easy to get the Source RPMs for any binary bits that may be on any Fedora media. This facility would allow the Fedora Project to start relying upon GPLv2 paragraph 3(b). GPLv2 paragraph 3(b) requires us to make the source code available for at least three (3) years (from the last date anyone hands out a CD/DVD - so quite a long time). This capability is not in place today - the code is in the Fedora Package Source Code Control system (currently CVS), but we don't hang on to the built SRPMS indefinitely, nor do we have a way to easily generate an ISO image with SRPMS on it. Matt would welcome help with this project, and the Board encourages Fedora contributors to get involved to help ease any burden on the community. Signed, The Fedora Project Board Paul W. Frields, Chair -- Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Best regards, Matthew Cascio Cell (703) 505-8700 From matt at domsch.com Wed Mar 19 11:49:25 2008 From: matt at domsch.com (Matt Domsch) Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2008 05:49:25 -0600 Subject: [Ambassadors] Re: GPL compliance In-Reply-To: <1205925840.12292.9.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1205925840.12292.9.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <20080319114924.GA23331@domsch.com> On Wed, Mar 19, 2008 at 07:24:00AM -0400, Paul W. Frields wrote: > http://domsch.com/linux/fedora/fedora-8-livecd-srpms.txt > contains the list of SRPMS corresponding to the packages on > the Fedora 8 i686 and x86_64 Live images. Use whichever tools > you like to download and burn those to media. http://git.fedorahosted.org/git/?p=correspondingsource.git;a=tree;f=srpmlists;hb=HEAD has the list of SRPMS for all the live images now. We'll be adding new live image SRPM lists here. Thanks, Matt From mr.gopal.das at gmail.com Thu Mar 20 07:02:01 2008 From: mr.gopal.das at gmail.com (gopal das) Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2008 12:32:01 +0530 Subject: [Ambassadors] Re: Need to do something about Freemedia India. In-Reply-To: References: <539333cb0803152237n6f40b355vcd7b6f43987cde0c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <6f631c430803200002hbecf5dbtd11588f1832533f2@mail.gmail.com> Thank you Susmith, thank you Siddharth. "Blank media and return envelop" idea is good. We can make a decision if we make us available for a meeting in near future at fedora-india irc. A long gap when we do not arrange a meeting. And I also have some topic to discuss regarding some fedora training program at schools. I have already started some initiative regarding this but I like to discuss the matter with other Indian ambassadors. So please fix up a date for a meeting so that we can made it more prominent. Cheers Gopal Das On Sun, Mar 16, 2008 at 1:55 PM, Siddharth Upmanyu wrote: > On 3/16/08, subhodip biswas wrote: > > On Sun, Mar 16, 2008 at 10:51 AM, susmit shannigrahi > > wrote: > > > Hi all, > > > > > > This is about current condition of Freemedia _India_. > > > Saying in a line... It is badly messed up. > > > > > > Counting from Dec 2007 to March 2008 we have *17* fulfilled request > > > and ~380 pending requests. > > > That indicates only one thing, its going to shut down in near > future. > > > > > > So lets do something about it. > > > > > > My suggestions are > > > > > > 1. Let's gather from contributors how many DVDs are available for > the > > > month and accept that many requests only. > > > > > > +1 for that . Loads of pending request discourage users > > > > > > > For that we can give contributors a week's time to declare and then > > > open the request form. > > > For a month if there is no contributor, there will be no requests. > > > However, thats not going to increase the quantity of media. > > > But this will ensure all requests are fulfilled. > > > > > > 2. Lets make posting of Blank Media compulsory for requesting > Freemedia. > > > Thats going to cost INR 20-25 at max. > > > Well, that will create a negative impression no doubt, but the > current > > > situation is not bright either. > > > > > > A suggestion may be is to have regional requests as as to break up > > requests into modules .this actually lowers the load on free media > > team . > > Existing fedora ambassadors may help in this . > > > > > > > For those who genuinely want to use Fedora but don't have that much > > > bandwidth, it may be helpful. > > > > > > > > > Any other suggestions? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Regards, > > > Susmit. > > > > > > ============================================= > > > ssh > > > 0x86DD170A > > > http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/SusmitShannigrahi > > > ============================================= > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Regards > > Subhodip Biswas > > > > GPG key : FAEA34AB > > Server : pgp.mit.edu > > http://subhodipbiswas.wordpress.com > > http:/www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/SubhodipBiswas > > > > > > -- > > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > > > > The Most obvious problem is contribution... we have very less active > India Ambassadors and there appears no real solution in near future... > as it is initiated.. to send a blank media .. should be an option not > a requirement (my view) .. > > as i see it we first need a saparate freemedia request form where we > can put proper information and restrictions.. i can work like this : > 1. in the last week of every month we (India Ambassadors) decide on > freemedia capacity > 2. when the form open the decided number of requests are allowed . > 3. when the limit is reached .. the users are given option to send a > blank media with return envelop to get the Fedora Media > > Regards > Siddharth > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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The basic idea is to make something similar to Francesco Crippa's "Fedora by Night": some speeches (I prefer a discussion between the speakers and the public) and, after those ones, a party. During the party you could set up some machines with F9 and invite who want F9 to take with him a USB Pen and copy the live image on it (see Live USB pen page for more informations), or, if you have a burning device, you could burn some Fedora 9's Live Cd's and DVDs (remember to make a copy of the source rpms, see GPL requirements). If you have questions or if you need support don't esitate to ask here, FAmSCo or me (you know my email). The planned release date, according to http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/9/Schedule , is April 29th. If you decide to organize an event feel free to add this one in the http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FedoraEvents : if we will reach a high number of those ones I will create an event subpage. Regards Francesco Ugolini From stickster at gmail.com Thu Mar 20 15:32:05 2008 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2008 15:32:05 +0000 Subject: [Ambassadors] Re: [Famsco-list] F9 Release Day - Fedora 9 Party In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1206027125.27516.74.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Thu, 2008-03-20 at 16:08 +0100, Francesco Ugolini wrote: > During the party you could set up some machines with F9 and invite who > want F9 to take with him a USB Pen and copy the live image on it (see > Live USB pen page for more informations), or, if you have a burning > device, you could burn some Fedora 9's Live Cd's and DVDs (remember to > make a copy of the source rpms, see GPL requirements). Just to be crystal clear -- you only need to make a copy of the source RPMs if someone asks for media right there. Having a couple ready doesn't hurt, but you don't have to make them for anyone who doesn't ask for them. You can still encourage people to download from fedoraproject.org directly, but if they insist on having media, simply provide it to them. > If you have questions or if you need support don't esitate to ask > here, FAmSCo or me (you know my email). > > The planned release date, according to > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/9/Schedule , is April 29th. And keep watching the announcement list(s) for any changes. Our talented contributors are trying like mad to avoid any slip in the final release! -- Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Best regards, Matthew Cascio Cell (703) 505-8700 From red at fedoraproject.org Thu Mar 20 15:57:14 2008 From: red at fedoraproject.org (Sandro "red" Mathys) Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2008 16:57:14 +0100 Subject: [Ambassadors] F9 Release Day - Fedora 9 Party In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <47E2895A.3080202@fedoraproject.org> Francesco Ugolini wrote: > I want to invite all the Ambassadors to organize something for the > upcoming Fedora 9's release. > > The basic idea is to make something similar to Francesco Crippa's > "Fedora by Night": some speeches (I prefer a discussion between the > speakers and the public) and, after those ones, a party. > > During the party you could set up some machines with F9 and invite who > want F9 to take with him a USB Pen and copy the live image on it (see > Live USB pen page for more informations), or, if you have a burning > device, you could burn some Fedora 9's Live Cd's and DVDs (remember to > make a copy of the source rpms, see GPL requirements). > > If you have questions or if you need support don't esitate to ask > here, FAmSCo or me (you know my email). > > The planned release date, according to > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/9/Schedule , is April 29th. I'd recommend to make such a party at least one week after that date. Seeing that Alpha and Beta both slipped (as well as most (or all?) other releases in the past), it's _very_ likely that F9 final will slip too... Of course you could still make a party with RC1, if final slips (unless RC1 slips too and even that one is getting late for the party). Just as a side note and only my 5 ct ;) > If you decide to organize an event feel free to add this one in the > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FedoraEvents : if we will reach a high > number of those ones I will create an event subpage. > > Regards > > Francesco Ugolini > > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list From linux at elfshadow.net Fri Mar 21 02:03:50 2008 From: linux at elfshadow.net (Jeffrey Tadlock) Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2008 22:03:50 -0400 Subject: [Ambassadors] Re: [Famsco-list] F9 Release Day - Fedora 9 Party In-Reply-To: <1206027125.27516.74.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1206027125.27516.74.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <10e0a9b00803201903u5bc2f44eoca6d90ffbe33df55@mail.gmail.com> 2008/3/20 Paul W. Frields : > Just to be crystal clear -- you only need to make a copy of the source > RPMs if someone asks for media right there. Having a couple ready > doesn't hurt, but you don't have to make them for anyone who doesn't ask > for them. You can still encourage people to download from > fedoraproject.org directly, but if they insist on having media, simply > provide it to them. >From my experience I would encourage having a couple DVDs on hand with the source just in case. From booths I have worked in the past I have had people ask for source and be very interested in whether we had any source DVDs to hand out. We have always pointed them to fedoraproject.org and this did satisfy them in those cases. With the attention this has obtained in some outlets this past week I believe it even more likely folks out there will be more tempted to ask for a source DVD - simply to see if we are following through or have it available. I wouldn't anticipate huge numbers of this, but keeping a couple on hand as Paul mentioned would be wise. ~Jeffrey From thomas.canniot at mrtomlinux.org Sun Mar 23 09:14:26 2008 From: thomas.canniot at mrtomlinux.org (Thomas Canniot) Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2008 10:14:26 +0100 Subject: [Ambassadors] REMINDER French Meeting today 1830 #fedora-meeting Message-ID: <20080323101426.4bd5d485@agnetha.mrtomlinux> This mail is a reminder for today?s meeting for French ambassadors and _every_ interested people. 2008-03-23 / 18:30 UTC IRC: freenode #fedora-meeting Ce mail est un rappel pour la r?union des ambassadeurs francophones, qui aura lieu ce dimanche (23 mars) ? 20h30 heure de Paris sur IRC (freenode) #fedora-meeting . L'ordre du jour est disponible depuis cette page : http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/FrenchTeam/Reunions N'h?sitez pas ? la modifier pour rajouter des sujets qui vous semblent int?ressants. 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And I also have some topic to discuss regarding some fedora >> training program at schools. I have already started some initiative >> regarding this but I like to discuss the matter with other Indian >> ambassadors. So please fix up a date for a meeting so that we can made it >> more prominent. > > Is it possible to work with the local Linux magazine publishers like > LinuxForU to see if they can bundle the Fedora DVD with their magazine? > I believe the magazine is affordable to most, and this can help lighten > the media request load. Linux For You already includes every release of Fedora the month after it has been released IIRC. Fedora is pretty popular in India but LFY doesn't reach everywhere and people are not aware of the magazine of that it includes Fedora for that particular month. Pointing more people to magazines like this is a pretty good idea and one I have done so personally on a few occasions. Rahul From jsimon at fedoraproject.org Mon Mar 24 12:32:59 2008 From: jsimon at fedoraproject.org (JoergSimon) Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2008 13:32:59 +0100 Subject: [Ambassadors] New Charge of Ambassador Poloshirts Message-ID: <200803241333.03996.jsimon@fedoraproject.org> Hi, for Attendees of Linuxtag08 Berlin[1] a new charge of Ambassador Poloshirts is planed. If you are a Ambassador and come to Linuxtag08 you can order. Maybe one Ambassador of your Country attend here, then you should also order and instruct him to bring and ship it if he/she is back. We have to pay around 25-30? per shirt to the manufacturer - you reimburse the Fedora EMEA NPO on Linuxtag08 in exchange for your PoloShirt(s) Add your Name and common informations to the List on the Wiki[2] . Deadline 25.April 2008 08:00PM UTC! [1] [2] Cheers Joerg -- J?rg Simon jsimon at fedoraproject.org http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/JoergSimon Key Fingerprint: 3691 0989 2DCA 58A2 8D1F 2CAC C823 558E 5B5B 5688 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part. URL: From valent.turkovic at gmail.com Mon Mar 24 19:59:28 2008 From: valent.turkovic at gmail.com (Valent Turkovic) Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2008 20:59:28 +0100 Subject: [Ambassadors] Fedora Local Language Spins In-Reply-To: <47B96E02.9070406@fedoraproject.org> References: <47B96E02.9070406@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <64b14b300803241259g597c8341kbacc8729d967e9a9@mail.gmail.com> On Mon, Feb 18, 2008 at 12:37 PM, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > Hi, > > As some of you might be aware already, I am working on several regional > language spins and have created a basic set of kickstart files that can > be easily reused to create say a Fedora Greek Spin or French Spin or > whatever language you use and want to promote. All of the Indian > language spins inherit > > http://sundaram.fedorapeople.org/spins/livecd-fedora-8-base-desktop-localized.ks > > Then merely add the language code, timezone settings and language > support. One example is > > http://sundaram.fedorapeople.org/spins/livecd-fedora-8-desktop-hindi.ks > > This is simple enough and since many of the ambassadors are involved > with the L10N efforts in Fedora, I would encourage you to take a look at > this and promote spin variants for your local language. If you need any > help, feel free to mail to fedora-livecd-list. More information at > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FedoraLiveCD/LiveCDHowTo > > If you want to propose the spin officially, > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Infrastructure/CustomSpins > > If you need help with the processes, let me know. I am mether on > freenode IRC and usually hang out in #fedora-devel, #fedora-india and > other channels. > > Rahul > > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > I made Croatian spin of Fedora Live CD. Please check it out. I build an iso file and tested it in VirtualBox and it works great. Cheers, Valent . -- http://kernelreloaded.blog385.com/ linux, blog, anime, spirituality, windsurf, wireless registered as user #367004 with the Linux Counter, http://counter.li.org. ICQ: 2125241, Skype: valent.turkovic -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: livecd-fedora-8-desktop-croatian.ks Type: application/octet-stream Size: 284 bytes Desc: not available URL: From tcallawa at redhat.com Mon Mar 24 20:39:55 2008 From: tcallawa at redhat.com (Tom "spot" Callaway) Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2008 16:39:55 -0400 Subject: [Ambassadors] LugRadio Live USA? In-Reply-To: <20080316012908.GA3026@domsch.com> References: <20080316012908.GA3026@domsch.com> Message-ID: <1206391195.3083.57.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Sat, 2008-03-15 at 19:29 -0600, Matt Domsch wrote: > Is anyone planning on attending LugRadio Live USA in San Francisco, > April 12-13? I can't attend, due to FISL. ~spot From jsimon at fedoraproject.org Mon Mar 24 21:59:54 2008 From: jsimon at fedoraproject.org (JoergSimon) Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2008 22:59:54 +0100 Subject: [Ambassadors] Meeting Minutes of Fedora EMEA NPO Meeting Message-ID: <200803242259.54836.jsimon@fedoraproject.org> Hello Fellows, The Board meeting of the Fedora EMEA NPO - founded in February on FOSDEM08 - took place in Rheinfelden, there was much work to do and several bureaucratic duties to fulfill. I have the order and the pleasure to share the outcome of the "Fedora EMEA Board Meeting" with you. Cheers JoergSimon = Fedora EMEA Board Meeting Minutes = ?* Date(s): ? ?1. Sunday, March 16th 2008, 14:00 - 23:00 UTC ? ?1. Monday, March 17th 2008, 7:30 - 17:00 UTC ?* Location: Rheinfelden, Germany == Attendees == ?1. Gerold Kassube (President), ?1. Fabian Affolter (Vice-President), ?1. Jeroen van Meeuwen (Vice-President), ?1. Robert Scheck (Treasury) == Regrets == ?1. ... == Meeting Chair and Minutes Secretary == ?* Chair is Gerold Kassube ?* Minutes Secretary is Jeroen van Meeuwen == Agenda == The ?Meeting Topics? is a short list of items and topics that have come up on mailing lists, etc., the separate topic ?Meeting Topics? shows some more details. ?* Opening ?* Assigning meeting chair and minutes secretary ?* Assess Agenda ?* Minutes from previous meeting(s) ?* Meeting Topics ? ?* Bank Account ? ?* Foundation Accounting / Membership Registration Software ? ?* A Budget Plan ? ?* Web Page / Registration Form / Email Addresses ? ?* PO Box / Mailing Address ? ?* Factual Goals ? ?* Use of the Board Mailing List ? ?* What do members get from becoming a member? ? ?* Store / How to make money? / How to generate revenue? ? ?* Logo ? ?* Templates for OOo ? ?* Announcement on Membership Fees / ways to register / etc ?* After-talk, Evaluation ?* Propositions ?* Any Other Business ?* Next meeting ?* Closing == Meeting Topics == === Bank Account === ?* Need bank account for financial transactions ?* Optionally seek for ways to debit other accounts (credit card, Direct Debit?) ?* Ownership: Robert Scheck ?* Progress: - ?* Meeting Minutes: ? ?* Credit card acceptance (MasterCard/VISA) not for free; 99 EURO/year, 25 EURO set-up, .3% of transactions, 5 year contract. ? ?* Credit cards have booking periods (30-90 days) ? ?* Other ways of making international transactions easier would be things like PayPal (but not really PayPal) ? ?* Don't really need to accept credit-cards ? ?* Debiting directly is allowed, bank account is free for an NPO, registration and sign-up is a matter of submitting the form. ? ?* Possibly re-visit credit cards / paypal later ?* Action Items ? ?* Create bank account ? ?* Needs registration number ? ?* Gr?ndungsprotocol & Satzung ? ?* Gerold's signature and ID === Foundation Accounting and Membership Registration Software === ?* Ownership: Robert Scheck ?* Progress: - ?* Meeting Minutes: ? ?* Available software costs money, ranging from 10-100 EURO/month, or one-time fees. ? ?* FOSS Software is old, unmaintained, or buggy/crappy. We do not have any explicit requirements to administration / accounting. ? ?* For now, a fairly simple spreadsheet should do, but with more members you do need professional software to be able to keep track of mutations. ? ?* Professional software has the advantage of being able to have professional invoices and accounting as well. ? ?* (Suggestion) Buy software or keep a spread-sheet, and look into linking into FAS2, keeping the additional information downstream but using the available information from upstream. ? ?* Look into more sustainable software then professional / commercial / proprietary anyway. ?* Action Item: ? ?* Robert Scheck buys professional software judging from what the bank recommends. ? ?* Requirements: ? ? ?* Professional Membership Management [mandatory] ? ? ?* Accounting [mandatory] ? ? ?* Invoices / Bills [mandatory] ? ? ?* Donation Receipts [mandatory] ? ? ?* English version [optional] === Budget Plan === A budget plan to break down the actual spendings on events that are being sponsored, and for overall expenses. ?* Ownership: Gerold Kassube ?* Progress: - ?* Meeting Minutes: ? ?* Lots of money being spend on events, but little to no budget breaking down the actual spendings ? ?* Little insight on spendings other then the general amount of sponsoring. ?* Action Items: ? ?* Break down the budget for LinuxTag (Gerold) ? ?* Break down the budget for FOSDEM (Event Owner) ? ?* Try and get some insight on actual spendings other then sponsorships. === Web Page / Registration Form / Email Addresses === For general operations Fedora EMEA e.V. will need a website with the following requirements: ?* Ownership: Fabian Affolter ?* Progress: - ?* Meeting Minutes: ? ?* Website content: ? ? ?* A membership subscription form [mandatory] ? ? ? ?* Needs to be off-line as German law requires a real signature [mandatory] ? ? ? ?* Draft Proposed by Robert Scheck (Accepted with minor changes) ? ? ?* A public email address to contact us [mandatory] (Jeroen) ? ? ?* A web page that briefly explains who we are and what we do [mandatory] ? ? ?* Possibly a brief explanation as to why it is we do not have a full-blown website [optional] ? ? ?* For normal operations, a suggestion was made we create (personal) ... at fedoraemea.org email addresses. ?* Action Items: ? ?* Finalize Membership subscription form (Fabian) ? ? ?* Use draft from Robert, Remove Fax number, add FAS account, make some of the entries ?optional?, others mandatory ? ?* Create public contact email addresses (Jeroen) ? ? ?* board@, press@, contact@, info@ === PO Box / Mailing Address === This obviously applies to off-line ?snail? mail. Gerold suggested we could use his private address to being with. ?* Ownership: Gerold Kassube unless decided otherwise ?* Progress: Done ?* Meeting Minutes: ? ?* Can use Gerold's private address. ?* Action Items: ? ?* Using Gerold's private address. === Factual Goals === Rather then the goals set forth in the Statutes, what is in-scope for us right now, what is in-scope for us in the (near) future, and what is out-of-scope for us? ?* Things in-scope ? ?* Organizing/Attending events ? ?* swag for those events ? ?* hotel/travel expenses ? ?* ambassador initiatives in general (EventBox, etc) ?* Things maybe in-scope ? ?* Hosting stuff the Fedora Project can't, but Ambassadors want. ? ? ?* Localized spins? ? ? ?* Offer services such as e-mail, fora, wiki for local groups? ? ?* Getting an online store for selling swag and generating revenue in a way that doesn't get in the way with the Fedora Store SIG, possibly even facilitate what they need to get done by introducing resources they can't get, or seek some other form of cooperation. ?* Ownership: All ?* Progress: - ?* Meeting Minutes: ? ?* Another factual goal is to train, educate users (not necessarily in class-rooms). Fedora Gatherings. ? ?* Like to see the a store in coorporation with the Store SIG be in-scope ?* Action Items: ? ?* Jerroen van Meeuwen coordinates with Fedora Store SIG === Use of the Board Mailing List === How should the board's list be used? ?* Ownership: Jeroen van Meeuwen ?* Progress: - ?* Meeting Minutes: ? ?* Use of the board mailing list is 1) private, 2) secret, 3) exposed/moved to the public when appropriate / necessary. What we say reflects upon the organization. ? ?* Ways to contact the board or the organization in general. ?* Action Items: ? ?* Create public mailing lists ? ? ?* Open for submission ? ? ?* Subscription approved by list administrator required ? ? ?* Same lists as in the "Web site / Email addresses" Meeting Topic ? ?* Ask Joerg Simon to become the contact person / spokesman for the organization ? ? ?* The board asked Joerg right-away and we're glad he accepted this position ? ? ? === What do members get from becoming a member? === ?* Ownership: All ?* Progress: - ?* Meeting Minutes: ? ?* Chosen a welcome present for new members ? ? ?* Order a few dozen for existing members, as well as new members ? ? ?* Goodie will not be sold in a store, one-off and exclusive for members ? ?* Members get to vote on what we do with money (or actually hold the board accountable) ? ? ?* ?What do you think should happen for Fedora?? ? ? ?* ?What do you need to get done for Fedora?? ? ?* Sending releases to members at General Availability is not sustainable (time-constraints, last-minute changes and release date slips) ? ?* Re-Spins is not viable either (burden on Fedora Unity, no time-based releases there, too much uncertainties to start doing time-based releases) ? ?* Of items we can sell / distribute, balance item's costs and value ? ? ?* A membership card that can also be used as a badge ? ?* Any revenue right now goes into producing new swag ? ?* Cooperation / Co-existence Other Non-Profit Organizations and Fedora Project itself ? ? ?* Model for spreading revenue, assistance from and to other NPOs, examples; ? ? ? ?* Fedora France ? ? ? ?* Fedora Unity (US) ?* Action Items: ? ?* Get a quote on mass-production of membercards with a one-off print on them (name, number) ? ?* (Again) Contact Fedora Store SIG and coordinate with them === Logo === Question: Does Fedora EMEA need a (separate) logo? Suggestions: ?1. No logo at all ?1. Yes ?1. Upstream (Artwork team) ?1. Upstream (no separate logo, use upstream's logo) ?* Ownership: All ?* Progress: Done ?* Meeting Minutes: ? ?* Motion: If any, use upstream logo, unmodified ? ?* Motion unanimously accepted ?* Action Items: ? ?* None === Templates for OOo === Creating templates for OpenOffice.org programs to use in official letters (to members), etc. ?* Ownership: Robert Scheck & Fabian Affolter ?* Progress: - ?* Meeting Minutes: ? ?* Put the templates upstream first (Fedora Project wiki), then pull then downstream and add Fedora EMEA specific stuff (if needed) ?* Action Items: ? ?* Robert Scheck & Fabian Affolter will look into creating templates. Letter heads. Presentation Templates. === Announcement on Membership Fees / ways to register / etc === Where do announcements get send? Where do we put them online? Different Languages? ?* Ownership: Joerg Simon ?* Progress: - ?* Meeting Minutes: ? ?* Suggestions to distribute (amongst others?): ? ? ?* fedora-advisory-board ? ? ?* fedora-ambassadors-list ? ? ?* fedora-announce-list ? ? ?* fedora-users-list ? ? ?* Linux Magazine / LinuxTag organization (including other press) ?* Action Items: ? ?* Gerold and Joerg to prepare announcements -- J?rg Simon jsimon at fedoraproject.org http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/JoergSimon Key Fingerprint: 3691 0989 2DCA 58A2 8D1F 2CAC C823 558E 5B5B 56 From igorsoares at gmail.com Tue Mar 25 00:39:22 2008 From: igorsoares at gmail.com (Igor Pires Soares) Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2008 21:39:22 -0300 Subject: [Ambassadors] Fedora Local Language Spins In-Reply-To: <64b14b300803241259g597c8341kbacc8729d967e9a9@mail.gmail.com> References: <47B96E02.9070406@fedoraproject.org> <64b14b300803241259g597c8341kbacc8729d967e9a9@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1206405562.3116.24.camel@AMD5600> Em Seg, 2008-03-24 ?s 20:59 +0100, Valent Turkovic escreveu: > I made Croatian spin of Fedora Live CD. > Please check it out. I build an iso file and tested it in VirtualBox > and it works great. > > Cheers, > Valent By the way, does anybody know if there is a guideline about the creation of spins? I would like to make something special for events in Brazil, but some people in the development list are radical against some changes. For instance, I would like change the following things in the original Live CD spin: * Change the package selection * Set nautilus default navigation to browser mode * Maybe put a different wallpaper related to the event, with the Fedora logo. * Fix the liveinst icon in the desktop The issue is that I don't know what is valid and what is not. That's why I need a official word about this. If none of that is possible the Local Language Spins are pointless, because it will just be about changing the language. We created the .ks files based on Rahul's ones. If someone wants to take a look, here it goes: http://igor.fedorapeople.org/spin-pt_BR/ Note that we are not including any packages from extra repositories, neither proprietary or patented content. Everything is from Fedora official repositories. Regards, Igor From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Tue Mar 25 00:46:16 2008 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2008 06:16:16 +0530 Subject: [Ambassadors] Fedora Local Language Spins In-Reply-To: <1206405562.3116.24.camel@AMD5600> References: <47B96E02.9070406@fedoraproject.org> <64b14b300803241259g597c8341kbacc8729d967e9a9@mail.gmail.com> <1206405562.3116.24.camel@AMD5600> Message-ID: <47E84B58.50403@fedoraproject.org> Igor Pires Soares wrote: > Em Seg, 2008-03-24 ?s 20:59 +0100, Valent Turkovic escreveu: >> I made Croatian spin of Fedora Live CD. >> Please check it out. I build an iso file and tested it in VirtualBox >> and it works great. >> >> Cheers, >> Valent > > By the way, does anybody know if there is a guideline about the creation > of spins? > > I would like to make something special for events in Brazil, but some > people in the development list are radical against some changes. > > For instance, I would like change the following things in the original > Live CD spin: > > * Change the package selection > * Set nautilus default navigation to browser mode > * Maybe put a different wallpaper related to the event, with the Fedora > logo. > * Fix the liveinst icon in the desktop 1) would be valid usually 2) Probably not 3) Should be ok 4) Must be fixed in livecd-creator itself. File a bug report. Rahul From igorsoares at gmail.com Tue Mar 25 02:06:26 2008 From: igorsoares at gmail.com (Igor Pires Soares) Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2008 23:06:26 -0300 Subject: [Ambassadors] Fedora Local Language Spins In-Reply-To: <47E84B58.50403@fedoraproject.org> References: <47B96E02.9070406@fedoraproject.org> <64b14b300803241259g597c8341kbacc8729d967e9a9@mail.gmail.com> <1206405562.3116.24.camel@AMD5600> <47E84B58.50403@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <1206410786.7062.1.camel@AMD5600> Em Ter, 2008-03-25 ?s 06:16 +0530, Rahul Sundaram escreveu: > Igor Pires Soares wrote: > > By the way, does anybody know if there is a guideline about the creation > > of spins? > > > > I would like to make something special for events in Brazil, but some > > people in the development list are radical against some changes. > > > > For instance, I would like change the following things in the original > > Live CD spin: > > > > * Change the package selection > > * Set nautilus default navigation to browser mode > > * Maybe put a different wallpaper related to the event, with the Fedora > > logo. > > * Fix the liveinst icon in the desktop > > 1) would be valid usually > 2) Probably not > 3) Should be ok > 4) Must be fixed in livecd-creator itself. File a bug report. > > Rahul Thanks for clarifying it Rahul. From stickster at gmail.com Tue Mar 25 02:14:45 2008 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2008 22:14:45 -0400 Subject: [Ambassadors] Fedora Local Language Spins In-Reply-To: <47E84B58.50403@fedoraproject.org> References: <47B96E02.9070406@fedoraproject.org> <64b14b300803241259g597c8341kbacc8729d967e9a9@mail.gmail.com> <1206405562.3116.24.camel@AMD5600> <47E84B58.50403@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <1206411285.10863.27.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Tue, 2008-03-25 at 06:16 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > Igor Pires Soares wrote: > > Em Seg, 2008-03-24 ?s 20:59 +0100, Valent Turkovic escreveu: > >> I made Croatian spin of Fedora Live CD. > >> Please check it out. I build an iso file and tested it in VirtualBox > >> and it works great. > >> > >> Cheers, > >> Valent > > > > By the way, does anybody know if there is a guideline about the creation > > of spins? > > > > I would like to make something special for events in Brazil, but some > > people in the development list are radical against some changes. > > > > For instance, I would like change the following things in the original > > Live CD spin: > > > > * Change the package selection > > * Set nautilus default navigation to browser mode > > * Maybe put a different wallpaper related to the event, with the Fedora > > logo. > > * Fix the liveinst icon in the desktop > > 1) would be valid usually > 2) Probably not > 3) Should be ok > 4) Must be fixed in livecd-creator itself. File a bug report. A spins policy is being drafted, but the most important guideline is that to use the Fedora name, a spin can only include software from the Fedora repository. Currently I don't think we have any cut and dried rules on what sort of default-changing is acceptable. Some people have indicated that changing default behaviors in %post is acceptable. I think maybe this is not the right time or place to simply declare what's in that policy. To follow the policy development, join the fedora-advisory-board list, and/or check the archives at: http://redhat.com/archives/fedora-advisory-board -- Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From nayyares at gmail.com Tue Mar 25 06:15:46 2008 From: nayyares at gmail.com (Nayyar Ahmad) Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2008 08:15:46 +0200 Subject: [Ambassadors] Meeting Minutes of Fedora EMEA NPO Meeting In-Reply-To: <200803242259.54836.jsimon@fedoraproject.org> References: <200803242259.54836.jsimon@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <8e1ee2a30803242315h6d5e29c9v37de65058104ed47@mail.gmail.com> It looks a very handsome start... cheers. On Mon, Mar 24, 2008 at 11:59 PM, JoergSimon wrote: > Hello Fellows, > > The Board meeting of the Fedora EMEA NPO - founded in February on FOSDEM08 > - > took place in Rheinfelden, there was much work to do and several > bureaucratic > duties to fulfill. > I have the order and the pleasure to share the outcome of the "Fedora EMEA > Board Meeting" with you. > Cheers JoergSimon > > > = Fedora EMEA Board Meeting Minutes = > > * Date(s): > 1. Sunday, March 16th 2008, 14:00 - 23:00 UTC > 1. Monday, March 17th 2008, 7:30 - 17:00 UTC > * Location: Rheinfelden, Germany > > == Attendees == > > 1. Gerold Kassube (President), > 1. Fabian Affolter (Vice-President), > 1. Jeroen van Meeuwen (Vice-President), > 1. Robert Scheck (Treasury) > > == Regrets == > > 1. ... > > == Meeting Chair and Minutes Secretary == > > * Chair is Gerold Kassube > * Minutes Secretary is Jeroen van Meeuwen > > == Agenda == > > The "Meeting Topics" is a short list of items and topics that have come > up on > mailing lists, etc., the separate topic "Meeting Topics" shows some more > details. > > * Opening > * Assigning meeting chair and minutes secretary > * Assess Agenda > * Minutes from previous meeting(s) > * Meeting Topics > * Bank Account > * Foundation Accounting / Membership Registration Software > * A Budget Plan > * Web Page / Registration Form / Email Addresses > * PO Box / Mailing Address > * Factual Goals > * Use of the Board Mailing List > * What do members get from becoming a member? > * Store / How to make money? / How to generate revenue? > * Logo > * Templates for OOo > * Announcement on Membership Fees / ways to register / etc > * After-talk, Evaluation > * Propositions > * Any Other Business > * Next meeting > * Closing > > == Meeting Topics == > > === Bank Account === > > * Need bank account for financial transactions > * Optionally seek for ways to debit other accounts (credit card, Direct > Debit?) > * Ownership: Robert Scheck > * Progress: - > * Meeting Minutes: > * Credit card acceptance (MasterCard/VISA) not for free; 99 EURO/year, > 25 > EURO set-up, .3% of transactions, 5 year contract. > * Credit cards have booking periods (30-90 days) > * Other ways of making international transactions easier would be > things > like PayPal (but not really PayPal) > * Don't really need to accept credit-cards > * Debiting directly is allowed, bank account is free for an NPO, > registration and sign-up is a matter of submitting the form. > * Possibly re-visit credit cards / paypal later > * Action Items > * Create bank account > * Needs registration number > * Gr?ndungsprotocol & Satzung > * Gerold's signature and ID > > === Foundation Accounting and Membership Registration Software === > > * Ownership: Robert Scheck > * Progress: - > * Meeting Minutes: > * Available software costs money, ranging from 10-100 EURO/month, or > one-time fees. > * FOSS Software is old, unmaintained, or buggy/crappy. We do not have > any > explicit requirements to administration / accounting. > * For now, a fairly simple spreadsheet should do, but with more > members > you do need professional software to be able to keep track of mutations. > * Professional software has the advantage of being able to have > professional invoices and accounting as well. > * (Suggestion) Buy software or keep a spread-sheet, and look into > linking > into FAS2, keeping the additional information downstream but using the > available information from upstream. > * Look into more sustainable software then professional / commercial / > proprietary anyway. > * Action Item: > * Robert Scheck buys professional software judging from what the bank > recommends. > * Requirements: > * Professional Membership Management [mandatory] > * Accounting [mandatory] > * Invoices / Bills [mandatory] > * Donation Receipts [mandatory] > * English version [optional] > > === Budget Plan === > > A budget plan to break down the actual spendings on events that are being > sponsored, and for overall expenses. > > * Ownership: Gerold Kassube > * Progress: - > * Meeting Minutes: > * Lots of money being spend on events, but little to no budget > breaking > down the actual spendings > * Little insight on spendings other then the general amount of > sponsoring. > * Action Items: > * Break down the budget for LinuxTag (Gerold) > * Break down the budget for FOSDEM (Event Owner) > * Try and get some insight on actual spendings other then > sponsorships. > > === Web Page / Registration Form / Email Addresses === > > For general operations Fedora EMEA e.V. will need a website with the > following requirements: > > * Ownership: Fabian Affolter > * Progress: - > * Meeting Minutes: > * Website content: > * A membership subscription form [mandatory] > * Needs to be off-line as German law requires a real signature > [mandatory] > * Draft Proposed by Robert Scheck (Accepted with minor changes) > * A public email address to contact us [mandatory] (Jeroen) > * A web page that briefly explains who we are and what we do > [mandatory] > * Possibly a brief explanation as to why it is we do not have a > full-blown website [optional] > * For normal operations, a suggestion was made we create > (personal) ... at fedoraemea.org email addresses. > * Action Items: > * Finalize Membership subscription form (Fabian) > * Use draft from Robert, Remove Fax number, add FAS account, make > some > of the entries "optional", others mandatory > * Create public contact email addresses (Jeroen) > * board@, press@, contact@, info@ > > === PO Box / Mailing Address === > > This obviously applies to off-line "snail" mail. Gerold suggested we > could > use his private address to being with. > > * Ownership: Gerold Kassube unless decided otherwise > * Progress: Done > * Meeting Minutes: > * Can use Gerold's private address. > * Action Items: > * Using Gerold's private address. > > === Factual Goals === > > Rather then the goals set forth in the Statutes, what is in-scope for us > right now, what is in-scope for us in the (near) future, and what is > out-of-scope for us? > > * Things in-scope > * Organizing/Attending events > * swag for those events > * hotel/travel expenses > * ambassador initiatives in general (EventBox, etc) > > * Things maybe in-scope > * Hosting stuff the Fedora Project can't, but Ambassadors want. > * Localized spins? > * Offer services such as e-mail, fora, wiki for local groups? > * Getting an online store for selling swag and generating revenue in a > way > that doesn't get in the way with the Fedora Store SIG, possibly even > facilitate what they need to get done by introducing resources they can't > get, or seek some other form of cooperation. > > * Ownership: All > * Progress: - > * Meeting Minutes: > * Another factual goal is to train, educate users (not necessarily in > class-rooms). Fedora Gatherings. > * Like to see the a store in coorporation with the Store SIG be > in-scope > * Action Items: > * Jerroen van Meeuwen coordinates with Fedora Store SIG > > === Use of the Board Mailing List === > > How should the board's list be used? > > * Ownership: Jeroen van Meeuwen > * Progress: - > * Meeting Minutes: > * Use of the board mailing list is 1) private, 2) secret, 3) > exposed/moved > to the public when appropriate / necessary. What we say reflects upon the > organization. > * Ways to contact the board or the organization in general. > * Action Items: > * Create public mailing lists > * Open for submission > * Subscription approved by list administrator required > * Same lists as in the "Web site / Email addresses" Meeting Topic > * Ask Joerg Simon to become the contact person / spokesman for the > organization > * The board asked Joerg right-away and we're glad he accepted this > position > > === What do members get from becoming a member? === > > * Ownership: All > * Progress: - > * Meeting Minutes: > * Chosen a welcome present for new members > * Order a few dozen for existing members, as well as new members > * Goodie will not be sold in a store, one-off and exclusive for > members > * Members get to vote on what we do with money (or actually hold the > board > accountable) > * "What do you think should happen for Fedora?" > * "What do you need to get done for Fedora?" > * Sending releases to members at General Availability is not > sustainable > (time-constraints, last-minute changes and release date slips) > * Re-Spins is not viable either (burden on Fedora Unity, no time-based > releases there, too much uncertainties to start doing time-based releases) > * Of items we can sell / distribute, balance item's costs and value > * A membership card that can also be used as a badge > * Any revenue right now goes into producing new swag > * Cooperation / Co-existence Other Non-Profit Organizations and Fedora > Project itself > * Model for spreading revenue, assistance from and to other NPOs, > examples; > * Fedora France > * Fedora Unity (US) > * Action Items: > * Get a quote on mass-production of membercards with a one-off print > on > them (name, number) > * (Again) Contact Fedora Store SIG and coordinate with them > > === Logo === > > Question: Does Fedora EMEA need a (separate) logo? > > Suggestions: > 1. No logo at all > 1. Yes > 1. Upstream (Artwork team) > 1. Upstream (no separate logo, use upstream's logo) > > * Ownership: All > * Progress: Done > * Meeting Minutes: > * Motion: If any, use upstream logo, unmodified > * Motion unanimously accepted > * Action Items: > * None > > === Templates for OOo === > > Creating templates for OpenOffice.org programs to use in official letters > (to > members), etc. > > * Ownership: Robert Scheck & Fabian Affolter > * Progress: - > * Meeting Minutes: > * Put the templates upstream first (Fedora Project wiki), then pull > then > downstream and add Fedora EMEA specific stuff (if needed) > * Action Items: > * Robert Scheck & Fabian Affolter will look into creating templates. > Letter heads. Presentation Templates. > > === Announcement on Membership Fees / ways to register / etc === > > Where do announcements get send? > Where do we put them online? > Different Languages? > > * Ownership: Joerg Simon > * Progress: - > * Meeting Minutes: > * Suggestions to distribute (amongst others?): > * fedora-advisory-board > * fedora-ambassadors-list > * fedora-announce-list > * fedora-users-list > * Linux Magazine / LinuxTag organization (including other press) > * Action Items: > * Gerold and Joerg to prepare announcements > -- > J?rg Simon > jsimon at fedoraproject.org > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/JoergSimon > Key Fingerprint: > 3691 0989 2DCA 58A2 8D1F 2CAC C823 558E 5B5B 56 > > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > -- Nayyar Ahmad RHCE (ID:804006858622745) Skype: nayyares Blog: nayyares.blogspot.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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We do not > have any explicit requirements to administration / accounting. > ? ?* For now, a fairly simple spreadsheet should do, but with more > members you do need professional software to be able to keep track of > mutations. > ? ?* Professional software has the advantage of being able to have > professional invoices and accounting as well. > ? ?* (Suggestion) Buy software or keep a spread-sheet, and look into > linking into FAS2, keeping the additional information downstream but > using the available information from upstream. > ? ?* Look into more sustainable software then professional / > commercial / proprietary anyway. > ?* Action Item: > ? ?* Robert Scheck buys professional software judging from what the > bank recommends. > ? ?* Requirements: > ? ? ?* Professional Membership Management [mandatory] > ? ? ?* Accounting [mandatory] > ? ? ?* Invoices / Bills [mandatory] > ? ? ?* Donation Receipts [mandatory] > ? ? ?* English version [optional] I don't think it fullfil all your needs, but have a look at http://galette.tuxfamily.org/en/doku.php It is maintained by the treasurer of Fedora-fr and translated into English by myself. 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We do not > have any explicit requirements to administration / accounting. > ? ?* For now, a fairly simple spreadsheet should do, but with more > members you do need professional software to be able to keep track of > mutations. > ? ?* Professional software has the advantage of being able to have > professional invoices and accounting as well. > ? ?* (Suggestion) Buy software or keep a spread-sheet, and look into > linking into FAS2, keeping the additional information downstream but > using the available information from upstream. > ? ?* Look into more sustainable software then professional / > commercial / proprietary anyway. > ?* Action Item: > ? ?* Robert Scheck buys professional software judging from what the > bank recommends. > ? ?* Requirements: > ? ? ?* Professional Membership Management [mandatory] > ? ? ?* Accounting [mandatory] > ? ? ?* Invoices / Bills [mandatory] > ? ? ?* Donation Receipts [mandatory] > ? ? ?* English version [optional] I don't think it fullfil all your needs, but have a look at http://galette.tuxfamily.org/en/doku.php It is maintained by the treasurer of Fedora-fr and translated into English by myself. 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I look forward to being active in helping to get the word out regarding Fedora. Thanks Donnell -- GPG key: B66C666F Server : pgp.mit.edu http:/www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/DonnellNichols From gerold at lugd.org Tue Mar 25 08:51:54 2008 From: gerold at lugd.org (Gerold) Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2008 09:51:54 +0100 (CET) Subject: [Ambassadors] Introduction In-Reply-To: <1206432638.3057.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1206432638.3057.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1512.62.2.77.2.1206435114.squirrel@www.gbc.net> So welcome :-) We love people who are willing to spread the word in Japan and Sansibar *g* Where do you live? In which area do you work? Hopefully not *only* in Japan :-) just kidding ... regards Gerold (from Europe) > Hello > > My name is Donnell Nichols, I am happy to be a part of the Fedora > Ambassadors group. I am currently a consultant working in information > security and critical infrastructure protection. My main area of focus > is research, development and marketing of software, products, and > equipment that can be deployed during disasters to not only protect > critical infrastructure, but also deployable platforms that will enhance > the abilities of corporations and NGO's continuity of operations plans. > > I look forward to being active in helping to get the word out regarding > Fedora. > > Thanks > Donnell > -- > GPG key: B66C666F > Server : pgp.mit.edu > http:/www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/DonnellNichols > > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > From luca at foppiano.org Tue Mar 25 09:28:05 2008 From: luca at foppiano.org (Luca Foppiano) Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2008 10:28:05 +0100 Subject: [Ambassadors] introduce myself Message-ID: <1206437285.4332.15.camel@sboing.byte-code.lan> Hi, my name is Luca Foppiano and I come from Italy, near Milan. I'm an active LOLUG (Lodi Linux User Group) member (www.lolug.net). I'm happy to join into fedora project, I want to help as much as possible to spread fedora project word. Luca -- Today is Setting Orange, the 7th day of Discord in the YOLD 3174 From donnell.nichols at nsirt-tacticalgroup1.us Tue Mar 25 09:55:10 2008 From: donnell.nichols at nsirt-tacticalgroup1.us (=?utf-8?B?RG9ubmVsbCBOaWNob2xz?=) Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2008 09:55:10 +0000 Subject: [Ambassadors] Introduction In-Reply-To: <1512.62.2.77.2.1206435114.squirrel@www.gbc.net> References: <1206432638.3057.8.camel@localhost.localdomain><1512.62.2.77.2.1206435114.squirrel@www.gbc.net> Message-ID: <998377263-1206435338-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-586905276-@bxe143.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Sorry, I forgot to put my location in the posting. I live and work in New York, NY. Thanks for the welcome...... Sent from my BlackBerry? wireless device -----Original Message----- From: "Gerold" Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2008 09:51:54 To:nicholsd at fedoraproject.org, fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com Subject: Re: [Ambassadors] Introduction So welcome :-) We love people who are willing to spread the word in Japan and Sansibar *g* Where do you live? In which area do you work? Hopefully not *only* in Japan :-) just kidding ... regards Gerold (from Europe) > Hello > > My name is Donnell Nichols, I am happy to be a part of the Fedora > Ambassadors group. I am currently a consultant working in information > security and critical infrastructure protection. My main area of focus > is research, development and marketing of software, products, and > equipment that can be deployed during disasters to not only protect > critical infrastructure, but also deployable platforms that will enhance > the abilities of corporations and NGO's continuity of operations plans. > > I look forward to being active in helping to get the word out regarding > Fedora. > > Thanks > Donnell > -- > GPG key: B66C666F > Server : pgp.mit.edu > http:/www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/DonnellNichols > > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > -- Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list From fzied at dottn.com Tue Mar 25 10:08:19 2008 From: fzied at dottn.com (Zied Fakhfakh) Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2008 11:08:19 +0100 Subject: [Ambassadors] introduce myself In-Reply-To: <1206437285.4332.15.camel@sboing.byte-code.lan> References: <1206437285.4332.15.camel@sboing.byte-code.lan> Message-ID: Welcome aboard On Tue, Mar 25, 2008 at 10:28 AM, Luca Foppiano wrote: > Hi, > my name is Luca Foppiano and I come from Italy, near Milan. > > I'm an active LOLUG (Lodi Linux User Group) member (www.lolug.net). > I'm happy to join into fedora project, I want to help as much as > possible to spread fedora project word. > > Luca > > > -- Today is Setting Orange, the 7th day of Discord in the YOLD 3174 > > > > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > > -- Zied Fakhfakh Dot TN - CTO Centre Molka, Esc E, Bur 17 Manar 2 - 2092 - Tunis Tunisia T : +216 71 886112 F : +216 71 885499 M : +216 22 535604 W : http://www.dottn.com GPG Key : gpg --keyserver pgp.mit.edu --recv-keys D2F4EE8C From nayyares at gmail.com Tue Mar 25 10:21:29 2008 From: nayyares at gmail.com (Nayyar Ahmad) Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2008 12:21:29 +0200 Subject: [Ambassadors] introduce myself In-Reply-To: <1206437285.4332.15.camel@sboing.byte-code.lan> References: <1206437285.4332.15.camel@sboing.byte-code.lan> Message-ID: <8e1ee2a30803250321h3d668d96ld265a03c15d852b7@mail.gmail.com> welcome ! 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Francesco 2008/3/25, Donnell Nichols : > Hello > > My name is Donnell Nichols, I am happy to be a part of the Fedora > Ambassadors group. I am currently a consultant working in information > security and critical infrastructure protection. My main area of focus > is research, development and marketing of software, products, and > equipment that can be deployed during disasters to not only protect > critical infrastructure, but also deployable platforms that will enhance > the abilities of corporations and NGO's continuity of operations plans. > > I look forward to being active in helping to get the word out regarding > Fedora. > > Thanks > Donnell > > > -- > GPG key: B66C666F > Server : pgp.mit.edu > http:/www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/DonnellNichols > > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > From jonstanley at gmail.com Tue Mar 25 12:24:33 2008 From: jonstanley at gmail.com (Jon Stanley) Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2008 08:24:33 -0400 Subject: [Ambassadors] Introduction In-Reply-To: <998377263-1206435338-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-586905276-@bxe143.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> References: <1206432638.3057.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1512.62.2.77.2.1206435114.squirrel@www.gbc.net> <998377263-1206435338-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-586905276-@bxe143.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Message-ID: On Tue, Mar 25, 2008 at 5:55 AM, Donnell Nichols wrote: > I forgot to put my location in the posting. I live and work in New York, NY. Welcome from a fellow NYC Ambassador (though I live in downtown Jersey City :) )! From mahayalamkhan at gmail.com Tue Mar 25 12:33:27 2008 From: mahayalamkhan at gmail.com (mak) Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2008 18:33:27 +0600 Subject: [Ambassadors] Introduction In-Reply-To: References: <1206432638.3057.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1512.62.2.77.2.1206435114.squirrel@www.gbc.net> <998377263-1206435338-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-586905276-@bxe143.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Message-ID: Sagotom welcome On 25/03/2008, Jon Stanley wrote: > > On Tue, Mar 25, 2008 at 5:55 AM, Donnell Nichols > wrote: > > > I forgot to put my location in the posting. I live and work in New > York, NY. > > Welcome from a fellow NYC Ambassador (though I live in downtown Jersey > City :) )! > > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > -- Regards mak ----------------------- Hacking is good Hackers human -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I live and work in New > > York, NY. > > > > Welcome from a fellow NYC Ambassador (though I live in downtown Jersey > > City :) )! > > > > -- > > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > > > > > > -- > Regards > mak > ----------------------- > Hacking is good > Hackers human > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > > -- Regards ----------------------------------------- ??? Li, Songlin ???? Beijing, China TEL: +86 0 138 104 957 91 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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From engels at bluepoint.com.ph Tue Mar 25 13:17:56 2008 From: engels at bluepoint.com.ph (Engels Antonio) Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2008 21:17:56 +0800 (PHT) Subject: [Ambassadors] Introduction In-Reply-To: References: <1206432638.3057.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1512.62.2.77.2.1206435114.squirrel@www.gbc.net> <998377263-1206435338-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-586905276-@bxe143.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Message-ID: <55094.10.0.0.4.1206451076.squirrel@mail.bluepoint.com.ph> Welcome Donnell! On Tue, March 25, 2008 9:07 pm, Li, Songlin wrote: > Welcome > > 2008/3/25, mak : >> >> Sagotom >> welcome From fcrippa at byte-code.com Tue Mar 25 14:08:45 2008 From: fcrippa at byte-code.com (Francesco Crippa) Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2008 15:08:45 +0100 Subject: [Ambassadors] introduce myself In-Reply-To: <1206437285.4332.15.camel@sboing.byte-code.lan> References: <1206437285.4332.15.camel@sboing.byte-code.lan> Message-ID: <1206454125.6045.9.camel@pong-fc8.byte-code.lan> On Tue, 2008-03-25 at 10:28 +0100, Luca Foppiano wrote: > Hi, > my name is Luca Foppiano and I come from Italy, near Milan. > > I'm an active LOLUG (Lodi Linux User Group) member (www.lolug.net). > I'm happy to join into fedora project, I want to help as much as > possible to spread fedora project word. Welcome Luca! I'm happy to see you here. Right now byte-code and lolug have two fedora ambassadors in their staff. :-) francesco -- -------------------------------------------- Dott. Francesco Crippa Solutions Architect Byte-Code srl via Cechov, 1 20098 - San Giuliano Milanese (MI) tel. +39 02 9840047 fax. +39 02 98247475 cel. +39 328 3561528 fcrippa at byte-code.com From notting at redhat.com Tue Mar 25 18:57:52 2008 From: notting at redhat.com (Bill Nottingham) Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2008 14:57:52 -0400 Subject: [Ambassadors] Re: Meeting Minutes of Fedora EMEA NPO Meeting In-Reply-To: <200803242058.22211.press@fedoraemea.org> References: <200803242058.22211.press@fedoraemea.org> Message-ID: <20080325185752.GA6662@nostromo.devel.redhat.com> JoergSimon (press at fedoraemea.org) said: > === Foundation Accounting and Membership Registration Software === > > ?* Ownership: Robert Scheck > ?* Progress: - > ?* Meeting Minutes: > ? ?* Available software costs money, ranging from 10-100 EURO/month, or > one-time fees. > ? ?* FOSS Software is old, unmaintained, or buggy/crappy. We do not have any > explicit requirements to administration / accounting. > ? ?* For now, a fairly simple spreadsheet should do, but with more members > you do need professional software to be able to keep track of mutations. > ? ?* Professional software has the advantage of being able to have > professional invoices and accounting as well. > ? ?* (Suggestion) Buy software or keep a spread-sheet, and look into linking > into FAS2, keeping the additional information downstream but using the > available information from upstream. > ? ?* Look into more sustainable software then professional / commercial / > proprietary anyway. > ?* Action Item: > ? ?* Robert Scheck buys professional software judging from what the bank > recommends. > ? ?* Requirements: > ? ? ?* Professional Membership Management [mandatory] > ? ? ?* Accounting [mandatory] > ? ? ?* Invoices / Bills [mandatory] > ? ? ?* Donation Receipts [mandatory] > ? ? ?* English version [optional] This seems odd. Max, for example, has been doing budgets and placing them on the wiki without having to resort to additional software. How many of the various open source packages (GnuCash, sql-ledger, SugarCRM, etc.) have you investigated? Bill From gerold at lugd.org Tue Mar 25 20:21:38 2008 From: gerold at lugd.org (Gerold Kassube) Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2008 21:21:38 +0100 Subject: [Ambassadors] Re: Meeting Minutes of Fedora EMEA NPO Meeting In-Reply-To: <20080325185752.GA6662@nostromo.devel.redhat.com> References: <200803242058.22211.press@fedoraemea.org> <20080325185752.GA6662@nostromo.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1206476498.2710.7.camel@F8NB.homenet.local> Bill, it's a pleasure for us, seeing you reading our meeting minutes and responding; that's the feedback we want, that's the feedback we need for doing our job well ... Maybe it looks curious that some issues seems to be done twice or done more times but please belive me/us that we try to look upstream with all things we like to do. By now, we are a "association" or a "company" call it whatever you want and fortunately and also unfortunatly we have to cover legal things, law etc. and most of theses things are discussed at our first Board meeting and were topic of the agenda. If you show us a software with which we can handle all our issues like membershio administration, invoicing, balance reports etc. which cover also additional German Law, we'll be glad to have your input! Robert is looking for more than a month for the things we need to get all issues clearly covered ... As written, feel free if you have a solution, tell us! Friendly yours Gerold Am Dienstag, den 25.03.2008, 14:57 -0400 schrieb Bill Nottingham: > JoergSimon (press at fedoraemea.org) said: > > === Foundation Accounting and Membership Registration Software === > > > > * Ownership: Robert Scheck > > * Progress: - > > * Meeting Minutes: > > * Available software costs money, ranging from 10-100 EURO/month, or > > one-time fees. > > * FOSS Software is old, unmaintained, or buggy/crappy. We do not have any > > explicit requirements to administration / accounting. > > * For now, a fairly simple spreadsheet should do, but with more members > > you do need professional software to be able to keep track of mutations. > > * Professional software has the advantage of being able to have > > professional invoices and accounting as well. > > * (Suggestion) Buy software or keep a spread-sheet, and look into linking > > into FAS2, keeping the additional information downstream but using the > > available information from upstream. > > * Look into more sustainable software then professional / commercial / > > proprietary anyway. > > * Action Item: > > * Robert Scheck buys professional software judging from what the bank > > recommends. > > * Requirements: > > * Professional Membership Management [mandatory] > > * Accounting [mandatory] > > * Invoices / Bills [mandatory] > > * Donation Receipts [mandatory] > > * English version [optional] > > This seems odd. Max, for example, has been doing budgets and placing them on the > wiki without having to resort to additional software. How many of the various > open source packages (GnuCash, sql-ledger, SugarCRM, etc.) have you investigated? > > Bill > > _______________________________________________ > fedora-advisory-board mailing list > fedora-advisory-board at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-advisory-board > -- Gerold Kassube -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Robert is > looking for more than a month for the things we need to get all issues > clearly covered ... Obviously I'm unfamiliar with German law, but there *are* packages that handle invoicing, balancing, etc. And people say the American legal system is hostile to open source... Bill From gerold at lugd.org Tue Mar 25 20:58:16 2008 From: gerold at lugd.org (Gerold Kassube) Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2008 21:58:16 +0100 Subject: [Ambassadors] Re: Meeting Minutes of Fedora EMEA NPO Meeting In-Reply-To: <20080325203025.GA11806@nostromo.devel.redhat.com> References: <200803242058.22211.press@fedoraemea.org> <20080325185752.GA6662@nostromo.devel.redhat.com> <1206476498.2710.7.camel@F8NB.homenet.local> <20080325203025.GA11806@nostromo.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1206478696.2710.16.camel@F8NB.homenet.local> Hi Bill, again me :-) If there *are* packages and Suites, please show us. We haven't found at least one who will fit our needs :-( We are always looking for *ONE* solution; because we know and found several single solution; but not one, and we haven't the power to code our own at the moment ... Thanks gerold Am Dienstag, den 25.03.2008, 16:30 -0400 schrieb Bill Nottingham: > Gerold Kassube (gerold at lugd.org) said: > > By now, we are a "association" or a "company" call it whatever you want > > and fortunately and also unfortunatly we have to cover legal things, law > > etc. and most of theses things are discussed at our first Board meeting > > and were topic of the agenda. > > > > If you show us a software with which we can handle all our issues like > > membershio administration, invoicing, balance reports etc. which cover > > also additional German Law, we'll be glad to have your input! Robert is > > looking for more than a month for the things we need to get all issues > > clearly covered ... > > Obviously I'm unfamiliar with German law, but there *are* packages that > handle invoicing, balancing, etc. And people say the American > legal system is hostile to open source... > > Bill > -- Gerold Kassube -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Managing regular memberships or similar things is not the goal the software you have mentioned in your mails. A membership is a yearly fee, not a product. And if somebody has to add the "membership product" to all of the members yearly, it isn't IMHO the target audience - just to name an example. Greetings, Robert From jsimon at fedoraproject.org Tue Mar 25 21:16:46 2008 From: jsimon at fedoraproject.org (JoergSimon) Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2008 22:16:46 +0100 Subject: [Ambassadors] Re: Meeting Minutes of Fedora EMEA NPO Meeting In-Reply-To: <20080325185752.GA6662@nostromo.devel.redhat.com> References: <200803242058.22211.press@fedoraemea.org> <20080325185752.GA6662@nostromo.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <200803252217.14282.jsimon@fedoraproject.org> Am Dienstag, 25. M?rz 2008 19:57:52 schrieb Bill Nottingham: > This seems odd. Max, for example, has been doing budgets and placing them > on the wiki without having to resort to additional software. How many of > the various open source packages (GnuCash, sql-ledger, SugarCRM, etc.) have > you investigated? Thanks Bill, yes it is odd, Robert(rsc) has done a lot reviewing - after all - we will keep it simple stupid. As example we have to store the Data as Backup for 10 years, and have to provide useable access to them at any time for the government, and this is just the start ... cheers Joerg -- J?rg Simon jsimon at fedoraproject.org http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/JoergSimon Key Fingerprint: 3691 0989 2DCA 58A2 8D1F 2CAC C823 558E 5B5B 5688 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part. URL: From notting at redhat.com Tue Mar 25 21:23:02 2008 From: notting at redhat.com (Bill Nottingham) Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2008 17:23:02 -0400 Subject: [Ambassadors] Re: Meeting Minutes of Fedora EMEA NPO Meeting In-Reply-To: <200803252217.14282.jsimon@fedoraproject.org> References: <200803242058.22211.press@fedoraemea.org> <20080325185752.GA6662@nostromo.devel.redhat.com> <200803252217.14282.jsimon@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <20080325212302.GB13649@nostromo.devel.redhat.com> JoergSimon (jsimon at fedoraproject.org) said: > > This seems odd. Max, for example, has been doing budgets and placing them > > on the wiki without having to resort to additional software. How many of > > the various open source packages (GnuCash, sql-ledger, SugarCRM, etc.) have > > you investigated? > > Thanks Bill, yes it is odd, Robert(rsc) has done a lot reviewing - after all - > we will keep it simple stupid. > As example we have to store the Data as Backup for 10 years, and have to > provide useable access to them at any time for the government, and this is > just the start ... Good luck. As someone who was around for the Fedora Foundation, I understand the pain. :) Bill From jmbabich at gmail.com Wed Mar 26 00:01:17 2008 From: jmbabich at gmail.com (John Babich) Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2008 03:01:17 +0300 Subject: [Ambassadors] IRC Log of FAmSCo Meeting - 24 Mar 2008 Message-ID: <9d2c731f0803251701g7ebbffc9t9d3e7957bb278b80@mail.gmail.com> meeting? yep just few minutes fugolini: OK * spevack waves ok, we can start roll call FrancescoUgolini JohnBabich FabianAffolter Max Spevack good Join mether has joined this channel (n=ask at fedora/mether). Quit jmbuser has left this server (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)). This is a special meeting Nick jmbuser_ is now known as jmbuser. PaulFrields audits According to "FAmSCo "special" meeting reminder - Monday 24th at 20.00 UTC" mail today's meeting agenda is: 1. Define Fedora Event Budget criterias 2. Event Reporting Guidelines 3. Ambassadors' pages list Starting from the first one jeffrey today can't be here I wrote an email about the first one about an hour ago did anyone have a chance to read it? spevack: just read yes jeffrey today can't be here, he sent a post in the list (hoping you read it), the key point he expressed was: that it's necessary to define a standardize amount that we could give for each event and to figure out some key criteria that we need to know of an event (that's the first part of his mail, read it to understand better= for the first issue he proposed to set a base per event e.g. 100 attendes = 300$ my thoughts were that it is a function of (1) size and (2) region Join J5 has joined this channel (n=quintice at nat/redhat/x-ca41bb18d4c46472). and (3) how much sharing of materials can be done between ambassadors in the same region for example, if we can make a bunch of DVDs for North America, and send them to a variety of events anyway i wrote this up longer in my email as a proposal what did people think of my idea of beginning to discuss it on the main ambassadors list? i think we have to discuss before in the list to have an approximative idea i want to give all of FAMSCo an opportunity to read my mail and respond, and we will have our discussion. especially Jeffrey we can risk to start a long time discussion without an head *a we could use the past events to determine the presumtive amount fugolini: you're right. We need to have the first idea of some general parameters for example jmbuser: what do you think? we have $12k to divide each quarter. we want to represent regions fairly based on how much activity is in each region and the size of the shows and the comparative "importance" of the shows this shouldn't be too hard to do in a reasonably fair way spevack: i see in your blog a map of the regional activity, could be available for the determination of the amount of resources? fugolini: perhaps. But also, we just need to ask the Ambassadors who own each show to give us some idea of the size. finally: I just don't want to make this more complicated than it needs to be. If there are 10 shows, then we can start by saying "well, the average show gets $1,200" And then we look at each show and see if it is "bigger" or "smaller" than average. spevack: sorry - I agree with the approach so far anyway, i think we can discuss this on the list in that thread. maybe we should move on? does anyone else have comments? finally: ! (i was tring to resume .) GeroldKa: * fugolini is lagged we (as Fedora Emea e.V.) are also creating or try to create a form which should be used for each event in EMEA BEFORE (goal is one year before) the event starts and should also be a budget plan because we think it's important for us to see, how we spend our money also for Fedora Project as Project AND also for Red Hat GeroldKa: that's excellent. Part of what I hope is that FAMSCo can simply maybe divide money up among regions, and then allow the 2 or 3 Ambassadors who own events in each region to talk amongst themselves a bit on how to further subdivide it. hope you find this usefull and you're willing to have a look for our "form" We have more discussion to do... I think maybe we will try a few strategies this year and see what works best eof fugolini: i think that as long as we are clear to the Ambassadors and that FAMSCo keeps an open mind, we will be successful in the end. the best governance is the one that does the least necessary. Quit buggbot has left this server (Broken pipe). EOF Join bzbot has joined this channel (n=supybot at landfill.bugzilla.org). Define Fedora Event Budget criterias : we will finish the discussion on the list, then we will open it to Ambs list next issue: 2. Event Reporting Guidelines fomr jeffrey post: I posted an announcement to the Ambasssadors list and added a page to the wiki to help cover this for Ambassadors. We may still need to address the "hard" numbers. I.E. what numbers do we really want an ambassador to send us after an event? Like the previsous discussion i think we have to create a base scheme as you say a lot of time we need open reports who owns this item? Jeffrey? it's part of the reporting guidelines yep I feel like I am one of the owners of the budget item, by the way. I consider myself accountable for making sure that gets figured out ok i think it could be usefull just to have some based data this item is connected with our first issue if we know how many attendees at the booth etc... we could able to work over reosurce destinations *resources' Off the top of my head: here is the minimum stuff I would want to see 1) how many Fedora representatives were there? 2) how many (if any) Red Hat employees were there? 3) about how many people total attended the event? 4) what were the most popular questions at the booth? there was an email that had many, many good suggestions in it i think this discussion, like the other, needs to be discussed in the list the IRC meeting is usefull because we can figure out the core issues and then we can manage better the work someone else want to say something? ! jmbuser: I agree that this meeting is great for organizing topics to better present to the mailing list - that way we can get the best response from the list it seems like most of our work right now is all list-related then the decision is well thought-out and transparent what othe rthings do we need to talk about on IRC today? i'm quite tedious during the meeting (sometime in the list too) eof spevack: Ambassadors pages Clean Up i've try to make a list like you suggested i review some of the pages i'm working over it many pages are ok but there are a lot of page out-of-date i think it would be necessary to contact the creators of those ones fugolini: this is also an important task because soon we will move to a new wiki instance and if we can identify pages that are old and delete them now there is less data to migrate http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/SteeringCommittee/CleanUpPages when i wrote update it means that this page is out-of-date and could be deleted if nobody will not care of it i faced some difficulties understand the local ambassadors pages so i didn't take care of them ! i'm waiting the next EMEA meeting and i just post in the M-L a mail to thomas cannoit *canniot jmbuser: I cleaned up and rearranged http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/SteeringCommittee/Meetings so that the meetings are in reverse chronological order eof i saw it Quit tibbs has left this server ("Konversation terminated!"). moreover i saw a lot of redoundant pages that have content from other pages e.g. Infrastucture (alias, AS) *other pages from other sub-project i think we could semplify everything redirecting to the right pages fugolini: +1, i trust your judgement on what is important another task is Ambassadors home page i think we could discuss about this after we review and cleaned all the pages so we have a clear map of what we have and what we have not *we could have done Quit bpepple|lt has left this server ("Ex-Chat"). that's all i invite everyone who see that something in the list is incorrect or have suggestions *sees/has to express those ones I think the cleanup page is great. i will look through it and make my comments of what i think can be deleted +1 thanks so if someone has other issue to discuss ... *another so i'm going to post my opinion on your mails i think we can adjourn the meeting we are going to have another one this firday we have discussed enought 3 2 thank you francesco 1 let's try to have made progress on everything by friday so we can approve our decisions and move to new topics! == Meeting adjourned == From jsimon at fedoraproject.org Wed Mar 26 10:08:06 2008 From: jsimon at fedoraproject.org (JoergSimon) Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2008 11:08:06 +0100 Subject: [Ambassadors] Re: Co-branding? In-Reply-To: <47EA0F86.3040406@fedoraproject.org> References: <47E9A4C3.80708@fedoraproject.org> <200803260921.37146.jsimon@fedoraproject.org> <47EA0F86.3040406@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <200803261108.11954.jsimon@fedoraproject.org> Am Mittwoch, 26. M?rz 2008 09:55:34 schrieb Rahul Sundaram: > JoergSimon wrote: > > Hi Rahul, > > > > just in private and in peace! > > Why starting this as a public discussion, this is strange? > > I don't see what is wrong with a public discussion. OK as you wish, marketing list is the wrong place - and a lot of Ambassadors did not read the marketing list Am Mittwoch, 26. M?rz 2008 02:20:03 schrieb Rahul Sundaram: > Should there be some > of co-branding within the distribution and a prominent hint in other > places? > Something like Fedora - Powered by Red Hat/ Sponsored by Red Hat or some > such. Am Mittwoch, 26. M?rz 2008 09:21:29 schrieb JoergSimon(altered): > Why starting this as a public discussion, this is strange? Why not with the > Ambassadors? They have to deal with that. > We in europe and Contributors all over the world worked hard to have the > Fedora Brand unique, i know that some > people in the project are trying to get more contributions from companies - > like "contribute inhouse builds to EPEL you have it for RHEL with a lot of > benefits". For Fedora this is good - i bed if there are companies wich > build software for RHEL then they know the Fedora Project! > A Double Brand for RedHat maybe it is good for a short term marketing > boost. But RedHat have to pay for this double Brand - not much direct with > money, like "oh you are sponsored by RedHat then you must pay for your > booth" .... Me for my self, i work for the Fedoraproject with all what i > can do and i love the work of RedHat and the RedHat People and i hold some > RedHat Certificates - but i am not a wannabe RedHat Contributor - if the > Project will go in the OpenSuse direction i am sure the Fedora Project will > get maybe more users - but lose Contributors. > > Cheers And yes, RedHat does major work and give much money - but Fedora would not exist in the way as it is, because of the work and the commitment of all the free contributors and i know and i feel, i dont want it marked as a RedHat SubProject. This is wrong! cheers -- J?rg Simon jsimon at fedoraproject.org http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/JoergSimon Key Fingerprint: 3691 0989 2DCA 58A2 8D1F 2CAC C823 558E 5B5B 5688 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part. URL: From jsimon at fedoraproject.org Wed Mar 26 10:55:08 2008 From: jsimon at fedoraproject.org (JoergSimon) Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2008 11:55:08 +0100 Subject: [Ambassadors] Re: Co-branding? In-Reply-To: <47EA22F9.8050809@fedoraproject.org> References: <47E9A4C3.80708@fedoraproject.org> <200803261108.11954.jsimon@fedoraproject.org> <47EA22F9.8050809@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <200803261155.14865.jsimon@fedoraproject.org> Am Mittwoch, 26. M?rz 2008 11:18:33 schrieb Rahul Sundaram: > Branding is more concerned with marketing. Besides if ambassadors are > not subscribed to the marketing list, they are not following the > recommend procedure at > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/Join yes > We don't > want to cross post either. Refer > http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-marketing-list/2007-March/msg00007.ht >ml I know the guidelines very well! It was only to shift it to the people who must deal with the consequences of this issue. And if you want play this odd guideline game, then you must admit, we don?t want discuss the same topics again and again! (There are a lot more ... ) https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-marketing-list/2007-July/msg00086.html I want to stop this, because there was enough confusion in the past. And there are clear guidelines that we are not RedHat - and we don?t want. i will quote GregdeKoenigsberg: "The Fedora brand must evolve separately from Red Hat's brand. Fedora is very important to Red Hat, but Fedora is not Red Hat. It's really crucial to understand that distinction." so -1 again. cheers -- J?rg Simon jsimon at fedoraproject.org http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/JoergSimon Key Fingerprint: 3691 0989 2DCA 58A2 8D1F 2CAC C823 558E 5B5B 5688 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part. URL: From stickster at gmail.com Wed Mar 26 16:10:19 2008 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2008 12:10:19 -0400 Subject: [Ambassadors] Re: Co-branding? In-Reply-To: <200803261155.14865.jsimon@fedoraproject.org> References: <47E9A4C3.80708@fedoraproject.org> <200803261108.11954.jsimon@fedoraproject.org> <47EA22F9.8050809@fedoraproject.org> <200803261155.14865.jsimon@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <1206547819.17855.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Wed, 2008-03-26 at 11:55 +0100, JoergSimon wrote: > Am Mittwoch, 26. M?rz 2008 11:18:33 schrieb Rahul Sundaram: > > Branding is more concerned with marketing. Besides if ambassadors are > > not subscribed to the marketing list, they are not following the > > recommend procedure at > > > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/Join > > yes > > > We don't > > want to cross post either. Refer > > http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-marketing-list/2007-March/msg00007.ht > >ml > > I know the guidelines very well! It was only to shift it to the people who > must deal with the consequences of this issue. > And if you want play this odd guideline game, then you must admit, we don?t > want discuss the same topics again and again! (There are a lot more ... ) > https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-marketing-list/2007-July/msg00086.html > > I want to stop this, because there was enough confusion in the past. And there > are clear guidelines that we are not RedHat - and we don?t want. > > i will quote GregdeKoenigsberg: > > "The Fedora brand must evolve separately from Red Hat's brand. Fedora is very > important to Red Hat, but Fedora is not Red Hat. It's really crucial to > understand that distinction." > > so -1 again. +1 to Joerg, and -1 to co-branding. -- Paul W. 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Managing > regular memberships or similar things is not the goal the software you have > mentioned in your mails. > > A membership is a yearly fee, not a product. And if somebody has to add the > "membership product" to all of the members yearly, it isn't IMHO the target > audience - just to name an example. Understood that you've been looking for a while for a workable solution. However, this is the first that most of us have heard about the search, and already you have had some good advice[1]. It also comes out that you don't feel there is expertise or time in the EMEA NPO group to do any needed coding. Perhaps this is a problem that can be solved with help from the larger Fedora community? Before you decide you have to go with a closed-source solution, recommend that you take the problem to the greater Fedora community (via blog posts, mailing lists, IRC, etc.). cheers - Karsten [1] http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-marketing-list/2008-March/msg00206.html -- Karsten Wade, Sr. Developer Community Mgr. Dev Fu : http://developer.redhatmagazine.com Fedora : http://quaid.fedorapeople.org gpg key : AD0E0C41 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From kanarip at kanarip.com Wed Mar 26 23:34:04 2008 From: kanarip at kanarip.com (Jeroen van Meeuwen) Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 00:34:04 +0100 Subject: [Ambassadors] Re: Meeting Minutes of Fedora EMEA NPO Meeting In-Reply-To: <1206570752.4531.229.camel@calliope.phig.org> References: <200803242058.22211.press@fedoraemea.org> <20080325185752.GA6662@nostromo.devel.redhat.com> <1206476498.2710.7.camel@F8NB.homenet.local> <20080325203025.GA11806@nostromo.devel.redhat.com> <20080325210021.GA583@hurricane.linuxnetz.de> <1206570752.4531.229.camel@calliope.phig.org> Message-ID: <47EADD6C.80105@kanarip.com> Karsten 'quaid' Wade wrote: > On Tue, 2008-03-25 at 22:00 +0100, Robert Scheck wrote: >> On Tue, 25 Mar 2008, Bill Nottingham wrote: >>> Obviously I'm unfamiliar with German law, but there *are* packages that >>> handle invoicing, balancing, etc. And people say the American >>> legal system is hostile to open source... >> Please be aware, that ERP/GnuCash etc. != NPO management software. Managing >> regular memberships or similar things is not the goal the software you have >> mentioned in your mails. >> >> A membership is a yearly fee, not a product. And if somebody has to add the >> "membership product" to all of the members yearly, it isn't IMHO the target >> audience - just to name an example. > > Understood that you've been looking for a while for a workable solution. Yes, we've scouted Google results, contacted some of the other parties in FOSS, and I've even requested my company to take this one up for a case-study and let new eployees/students, soon-to-be programmers, work on it. That's obviously merely scratching the surface but with the little amount of time that we had between the foundation meeting and the first board meeting (which included official registration), that's actually quite a lot of work in under 3 weeks with each of us having our own day-jobs. Needless to say though you're right; we should take this up within our community and see if anyone has anything we might be able to use. Thomas Canniot already suggested Galette which we'll certainly be looking in to; Others might pop up with a few alternatives and like you suggested, we may need to add some more exposure to our quest for FOSS NPO Accounting Software. We'll most likely do that, because we (or do I need to say "I") will simply not commit to non-FOSS software no matter how much pressure there is, but at this point we will need something (whether it be a spreadsheet or SAP-like POS), and we will need to do it right, right-away. I'd rather do it right with something temporary, then do it wrong with something soon-to-be-sustainable. Thanks for the suggestions[1] ;-) Kind regards, Jeroen van Meeuwen -kanarip [1] Recommended blog post ;-) http://blogs.fedoraunity.org/kanarip/looking-for-npo-accounting-software From fab at fedoraproject.org Wed Mar 26 23:39:14 2008 From: fab at fedoraproject.org (Fabian Affolter) Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 00:39:14 +0100 Subject: [Ambassadors] EMEA Ambassador Meeting Message-ID: <47EADEA2.1010304@fedoraproject.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hi all, FYI, the next EMEA Ambassador Meeting will be at Wednesday, April 16th, 2008 [1] Kind regards, Fabian [1] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/Meetings/2008-04-16 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFH6t6i4jzS3TakOX8RAta1AJ9pZ6fEkeaABL8CS+EOQt05UEuTBgCfbdI4 PNWxTufLJRyfDqwuRn3OYpM= =GlTd -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From linux at elfshadow.net Thu Mar 27 02:30:09 2008 From: linux at elfshadow.net (Jeffrey Tadlock) Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2008 22:30:09 -0400 Subject: [Ambassadors] Event Flyer Message-ID: <10e0a9b00803261930s605186edy22c36b099fc129f1@mail.gmail.com> We were needing a flyer for an event next weekend. I took the one that the Fedora Malaysian Ambassadors did for Fedora Core 6 and updated it a bit for Fedora 8. I removed references to Core 6, added some of the new features in Fedora 8, modified a few of the links in the Getting Fedora section and added a how to contribute section. However, I am not very artistic and probably not the greatest at designing marketing materials. I have posted the modified version here: http://jeffreyt.fedorapeople.org/drafts/fedora-flyer-mod.odt Could some of the more artistically inclined, marketing oriented people take a look at it and make modifications as you see fit? We need the flyer by next weekend, so we are in a bit of a time crunch at this point. Thanks! Jeffrey From matthiaskranz at gmx.de Thu Mar 27 09:14:08 2008 From: matthiaskranz at gmx.de (Matthias Kranz) Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 10:14:08 +0100 Subject: [Ambassadors] Event Flyer In-Reply-To: <10e0a9b00803261930s605186edy22c36b099fc129f1@mail.gmail.com> References: <10e0a9b00803261930s605186edy22c36b099fc129f1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1206609248.3067.1.camel@dhcp-0-189.muc.redhat.com> On Wed, 2008-03-26 at 22:30 -0400, Jeffrey Tadlock wrote: > We were needing a flyer for an event next weekend. I took the one > that the Fedora Malaysian Ambassadors did for Fedora Core 6 and > updated it a bit for Fedora 8. I removed references to Core 6, added > some of the new features in Fedora 8, modified a few of the links in > the Getting Fedora section and added a how to contribute section. > > However, I am not very artistic and probably not the greatest at > designing marketing materials. I have posted the modified version > here: > > http://jeffreyt.fedorapeople.org/drafts/fedora-flyer-mod.odt > > Could some of the more artistically inclined, marketing oriented > people take a look at it and make modifications as you see fit? We > need the flyer by next weekend, so we are in a bit of a time crunch at > this point. Jeffrey, might be a better place to ask. Cheers, Matthias From luca at foppiano.org Thu Mar 27 11:54:52 2008 From: luca at foppiano.org (Luca Foppiano) Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 12:54:52 +0100 Subject: [Ambassadors] fedora ambassador talk at liberaMENTE (Opera, italy, Message-ID: <1206618892.4183.62.camel@sboing.byte-code.lan> Hi all, from 18 to 20 April, in Opera (near Milan, Italy) ti will be a manifestation: LiberaMENTE which want focus topics on open and shared participation, knowledge, contents and software. Me, Francesco Crippa and other LOLUG (http://www.lolug.net) decided to participate with few talks. We will to focus one of this talks on fedora project introduction (Francesco Crippa will be the speaker ;-)), because fedora need more spread in italy and also because there will be a huge Ubuntu participation. :? Anyone is invited to come there and to give feedback :-) Our talk it will be 19 April about at 17:30 (GMT +1). I just added it at fedora Events http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FedoraEvents. Unfortunatly there is no more time (we receive invitation later) and ATM there isn't an official event web site. Luca -- Today is Sweetmorn, the 13rd day of Discord in the YOLD 3174 From valent.turkovic at gmail.com Thu Mar 27 12:34:59 2008 From: valent.turkovic at gmail.com (Valent Turkovic) Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 13:34:59 +0100 Subject: [Ambassadors] Speaking engagement at Northeastern University report In-Reply-To: <1204937384.3288.31.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <20080227165216.17b10129@redhat.com> <20080228085819.481600b3@redhat.com> <20080228102642.75c628a9@redhat.com> <64b14b300803071435m6a6463cbr281c08bb031601e@mail.gmail.com> <1204935051.3288.29.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1204937384.3288.31.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <64b14b300803270534r6537d3b9g49757d3c316d7b72@mail.gmail.com> 2008/3/8 Jesse Keating : > On Fri, 2008-03-07 at 19:15 -0500, Jon Stanley wrote: > > 2008/3/7 Jesse Keating : > > > > > I'm still waiting :/ > > > > In the meantime can you share the outline that you used? Thank you Jesse for your outlines - they helped me greatly in preparing my speech. Any news about the video? Cheers, Valent. -- http://kernelreloaded.blog385.com/ linux, blog, anime, spirituality, windsurf, wireless registered as user #367004 with the Linux Counter, http://counter.li.org. ICQ: 2125241, Skype: valent.turkovic From stickster at gmail.com Thu Mar 27 12:35:31 2008 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 08:35:31 -0400 Subject: [Ambassadors] Event Flyer In-Reply-To: <10e0a9b00803261930s605186edy22c36b099fc129f1@mail.gmail.com> References: <10e0a9b00803261930s605186edy22c36b099fc129f1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1206621331.7745.23.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Wed, 2008-03-26 at 22:30 -0400, Jeffrey Tadlock wrote: > We were needing a flyer for an event next weekend. I took the one > that the Fedora Malaysian Ambassadors did for Fedora Core 6 and > updated it a bit for Fedora 8. I removed references to Core 6, added > some of the new features in Fedora 8, modified a few of the links in > the Getting Fedora section and added a how to contribute section. > > However, I am not very artistic and probably not the greatest at > designing marketing materials. I have posted the modified version > here: > > http://jeffreyt.fedorapeople.org/drafts/fedora-flyer-mod.odt > > Could some of the more artistically inclined, marketing oriented > people take a look at it and make modifications as you see fit? We > need the flyer by next weekend, so we are in a bit of a time crunch at > this point. Is this for people who already know things about Linux? The reason I ask is that there's a lot of jargon in here -- "GNOME 2.20," "KDE 3.5.8," "XFCE 4.4.1," "hot-switching audio outputs," etc. -- Paul W. 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Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From valent.turkovic at gmail.com Thu Mar 27 12:37:09 2008 From: valent.turkovic at gmail.com (Valent Turkovic) Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 13:37:09 +0100 Subject: [Ambassadors] Event Flyer In-Reply-To: <1206609248.3067.1.camel@dhcp-0-189.muc.redhat.com> References: <10e0a9b00803261930s605186edy22c36b099fc129f1@mail.gmail.com> <1206609248.3067.1.camel@dhcp-0-189.muc.redhat.com> Message-ID: <64b14b300803270537x780f093dwffc315895bfacc2e@mail.gmail.com> On Thu, Mar 27, 2008 at 10:14 AM, Matthias Kranz wrote: > On Wed, 2008-03-26 at 22:30 -0400, Jeffrey Tadlock wrote: > > We were needing a flyer for an event next weekend. I took the one > > that the Fedora Malaysian Ambassadors did for Fedora Core 6 and > > updated it a bit for Fedora 8. I removed references to Core 6, added > > some of the new features in Fedora 8, modified a few of the links in > > the Getting Fedora section and added a how to contribute section. > > > > However, I am not very artistic and probably not the greatest at > > designing marketing materials. I have posted the modified version > > here: > > > > http://jeffreyt.fedorapeople.org/drafts/fedora-flyer-mod.odt > > > > Could some of the more artistically inclined, marketing oriented > > people take a look at it and make modifications as you see fit? We > > need the flyer by next weekend, so we are in a bit of a time crunch at > > this point. > > Jeffrey, > > > > might be a better place to ask. > > Cheers, > Matthias You mean fedora-artwork list? Cheers, Valent. -- http://kernelreloaded.blog385.com/ linux, blog, anime, spirituality, windsurf, wireless registered as user #367004 with the Linux Counter, http://counter.li.org. ICQ: 2125241, Skype: valent.turkovic From linux at elfshadow.net Thu Mar 27 12:44:39 2008 From: linux at elfshadow.net (Jeffrey Tadlock) Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 08:44:39 -0400 Subject: [Ambassadors] Event Flyer In-Reply-To: <1206621331.7745.23.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <10e0a9b00803261930s605186edy22c36b099fc129f1@mail.gmail.com> <1206621331.7745.23.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <10e0a9b00803270544r3a556910i720f20b71aa67927@mail.gmail.com> 2008/3/27 Paul W. Frields : > Is this for people who already know things about Linux? The reason I > ask is that there's a lot of jargon in here -- "GNOME 2.20," "KDE > 3.5.8," "XFCE 4.4.1," "hot-switching audio outputs," etc. The specific event it is for is Notacon, which will draw a more technically inclined crowd. I will likely continue to modify it a bit and use it at Ohio Linux Fest as well when it rolls around. The OLF crowd is more of an already Linux aware crowd as well. I did wonder when I added the version numbers for GNOME, KDE and XFCE if that made it read more like a spec sheet though. I can drop those from the flyer again to help take that edge off of it. Since there is only a small amount of space, do you think their is something I should showcase more than - "we have this, we have that" type of thing? Thanks for the feedback! Jeffrey From linux at elfshadow.net Thu Mar 27 12:48:46 2008 From: linux at elfshadow.net (Jeffrey Tadlock) Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 08:48:46 -0400 Subject: [Ambassadors] Event Flyer In-Reply-To: <64b14b300803270537x780f093dwffc315895bfacc2e@mail.gmail.com> References: <10e0a9b00803261930s605186edy22c36b099fc129f1@mail.gmail.com> <1206609248.3067.1.camel@dhcp-0-189.muc.redhat.com> <64b14b300803270537x780f093dwffc315895bfacc2e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <10e0a9b00803270548y73fe7bd6r9232b0a449f57c42@mail.gmail.com> On Thu, Mar 27, 2008 at 8:37 AM, Valent Turkovic wrote: > On Thu, Mar 27, 2008 at 10:14 AM, Matthias Kranz wrote: > > > > > > might be a better place to ask. > > You mean fedora-artwork list? The Marketing list as Matthias suggested would most likely have been a better place. I went with the Ambassadors list as this would be a flyer that Ambassadors could use at their events and wanted their input on it specifically. But, Ambassadors are also supposed to track the Marketing list so I could have hit the broader Marketing list types and Ambassadors by posting there. I guess that's what I get for pushing that out just before bed! :) I don't think the artwork list is right quite yet, as I am still trying to get verbage and what should be highlighted sorted out first. Thanks! Jeffrey From jkeating at redhat.com Thu Mar 27 12:49:16 2008 From: jkeating at redhat.com (Jesse Keating) Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 08:49:16 -0400 Subject: [Ambassadors] Speaking engagement at Northeastern University report In-Reply-To: <64b14b300803270534r6537d3b9g49757d3c316d7b72@mail.gmail.com> References: <20080227165216.17b10129@redhat.com> <20080228085819.481600b3@redhat.com> <20080228102642.75c628a9@redhat.com> <64b14b300803071435m6a6463cbr281c08bb031601e@mail.gmail.com> <1204935051.3288.29.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1204937384.3288.31.camel@localhost.localdomain> <64b14b300803270534r6537d3b9g49757d3c316d7b72@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1206622156.3158.162.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Thu, 2008-03-27 at 13:34 +0100, Valent Turkovic wrote: > > Thank you Jesse for your outlines - they helped me greatly in > preparing my speech. > Any news about the video? 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We've got to increase Fedora visibility during linux events (this event is an example: we proposed a talk and a presence about fedora some days ago, but ubuntu Italian community was already contacted to be present with a talk, and fedora will be present only hearing by chance... ) > Anyone is invited to come there and to give feedback :-) > Our talk it will be 19 April about at 17:30 (GMT +1). we'll report about "fedora vs. ubuntu" flame ;-) I've got some ideas we're able to discuss during next ambassadors meeting. For example I think we need a poster or a banner to paste on a pc with graphics and messages like: "put your usb pen in this computer and get your fedora live media" (Samuele, a friend of mine, is a real skilled designer and he should prepare something by the end of next week. Then we'll send a draft to artwork/ambassadors ml...) Do you know if is it possible to have a OLPC (maybe through RedHat Italy) for this event? See you then bye francesco -- Francesco Crippa http://people.byte-code.com/fcrippa From fugolini at fedoraproject.org Thu Mar 27 18:32:59 2008 From: fugolini at fedoraproject.org (Francesco Ugolini) Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 19:32:59 +0100 Subject: [Ambassadors] fedora ambassador talk at liberaMENTE (Opera, italy, In-Reply-To: <1206618892.4183.62.camel@sboing.byte-code.lan> References: <1206618892.4183.62.camel@sboing.byte-code.lan> Message-ID: That's great! > Anyone is invited to come there and to give feedback :-) > Our talk it will be 19 April about at 17:30 (GMT +1). I think i'm free on that day, i will try to be there :) Regards Francesco Ugolini From gvarisco at redhat.com Thu Mar 27 18:47:07 2008 From: gvarisco at redhat.com (Gianluca Varisco) Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 19:47:07 +0100 Subject: [Ambassadors] fedora ambassador talk at liberaMENTE (Opera, italy, In-Reply-To: <1206628709.3483.33.camel@pong-fc8.byte-code.lan> References: <1206618892.4183.62.camel@sboing.byte-code.lan> <1206628709.3483.33.camel@pong-fc8.byte-code.lan> Message-ID: <47EBEBAB.1060100@redhat.com> Francesco Crippa wrote: > Do you know if is it possible to have a OLPC (maybe through RedHat > Italy) for this event? > Hi guys, I've been here since few weeks, and I still haven't introduced myself (I'll do it later, believe me :> ). I'm one of the guys of the Redhat's office in Milan and I received in September an OLPC from a colleague of mine; It's a Beta Test 3 system [1] with the latest stable release, Build 656 (2008-01-17). I can be there at liberaMENTE on the 19th April and bring with me the OLPC ;-) What do you think about that? Is it OK for you, guys? ;-) Let me know! Cheers, [1] http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Hardware_specification#Beta_Test_3_Systems_.28BTest-3.2C_or_B3.29 -- Gianluca Varisco, RHCE Intern GPS, Red Hat Italia Tel.: +39 02 9737 4654 (direct) +39 02 5681 4487 Fax : +39 02 669 3111 Cel.: +39 333 574 0934 Address/Indirizzo: Via Antonio Da Recanate 1 20124 Milano From valent.turkovic at gmail.com Thu Mar 27 20:49:59 2008 From: valent.turkovic at gmail.com (Valent Turkovic) Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 21:49:59 +0100 Subject: [Ambassadors] Speaking engagement at Northeastern University report In-Reply-To: <1206622156.3158.162.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <20080227165216.17b10129@redhat.com> <20080228085819.481600b3@redhat.com> <20080228102642.75c628a9@redhat.com> <64b14b300803071435m6a6463cbr281c08bb031601e@mail.gmail.com> <1204935051.3288.29.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1204937384.3288.31.camel@localhost.localdomain> <64b14b300803270534r6537d3b9g49757d3c316d7b72@mail.gmail.com> <1206622156.3158.162.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <64b14b300803271349h3e97120bqcdaaa1271958c075@mail.gmail.com> 2008/3/27 Jesse Keating : > On Thu, 2008-03-27 at 13:34 +0100, Valent Turkovic wrote: > > > > Thank you Jesse for your outlines - they helped me greatly in > > preparing my speech. > > Any news about the video? > > Unfortunately I'm still waiting :( Would pinging them help? Valent. -- http://kernelreloaded.blog385.com/ linux, blog, anime, spirituality, windsurf, wireless registered as user #367004 with the Linux Counter, http://counter.li.org. ICQ: 2125241, Skype: valent.turkovic From valent.turkovic at gmail.com Thu Mar 27 21:01:09 2008 From: valent.turkovic at gmail.com (Valent Turkovic) Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 22:01:09 +0100 Subject: [Ambassadors] Event Flyer In-Reply-To: <10e0a9b00803270548y73fe7bd6r9232b0a449f57c42@mail.gmail.com> References: <10e0a9b00803261930s605186edy22c36b099fc129f1@mail.gmail.com> <1206609248.3067.1.camel@dhcp-0-189.muc.redhat.com> <64b14b300803270537x780f093dwffc315895bfacc2e@mail.gmail.com> <10e0a9b00803270548y73fe7bd6r9232b0a449f57c42@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <64b14b300803271401k5ef5373fkc5579a42a8dc085b@mail.gmail.com> On Thu, Mar 27, 2008 at 1:48 PM, Jeffrey Tadlock wrote: > On Thu, Mar 27, 2008 at 8:37 AM, Valent Turkovic > wrote: > > On Thu, Mar 27, 2008 at 10:14 AM, Matthias Kranz wrote: > > > > > > > > > > might be a better place to ask. > > > > > You mean fedora-artwork list? > > The Marketing list as Matthias suggested would most likely have been a > better place. I went with the Ambassadors list as this would be a > flyer that Ambassadors could use at their events and wanted their > input on it specifically. But, Ambassadors are also supposed to track > the Marketing list so I could have hit the broader Marketing list > types and Ambassadors by posting there. I guess that's what I get for > pushing that out just before bed! :) > > I don't think the artwork list is right quite yet, as I am still > trying to get verbage and what should be highlighted sorted out first. > > Thanks! > Jeffrey Sorry, I miss understood that the flyer content is decided on and that you wanted graphical touch up... Valent. -- http://kernelreloaded.blog385.com/ linux, blog, anime, spirituality, windsurf, wireless registered as user #367004 with the Linux Counter, http://counter.li.org. ICQ: 2125241, Skype: valent.turkovic From jkeating at redhat.com Thu Mar 27 22:04:29 2008 From: jkeating at redhat.com (Jesse Keating) Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 18:04:29 -0400 Subject: [Ambassadors] Speaking engagement at Northeastern University report In-Reply-To: <64b14b300803271349h3e97120bqcdaaa1271958c075@mail.gmail.com> References: <20080227165216.17b10129@redhat.com> <20080228085819.481600b3@redhat.com> <20080228102642.75c628a9@redhat.com> <64b14b300803071435m6a6463cbr281c08bb031601e@mail.gmail.com> <1204935051.3288.29.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1204937384.3288.31.camel@localhost.localdomain> <64b14b300803270534r6537d3b9g49757d3c316d7b72@mail.gmail.com> <1206622156.3158.162.camel@localhost.localdomain> <64b14b300803271349h3e97120bqcdaaa1271958c075@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1206655469.3158.196.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Thu, 2008-03-27 at 21:49 +0100, Valent Turkovic wrote: > 2008/3/27 Jesse Keating : > > On Thu, 2008-03-27 at 13:34 +0100, Valent Turkovic wrote: > > > > > > Thank you Jesse for your outlines - they helped me greatly in > > > preparing my speech. > > > Any news about the video? > > > > Unfortunately I'm still waiting :( > > Would pinging them help? > > Valent. 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I can drop those > from the flyer again to help take that edge off of it. > > Since there is only a small amount of space, do you think their is > something I should showcase more than - "we have this, we have that" > type of thing? Instead of showing the specs of it (or at least mostly), why not show "What it can do or is capable of" instead? What can you do with it? How easy is it to update? How secure is it? How easy is it to administer and/or setup? I think those type things would get over more, more like to "Wow" them, where as doing a lot of specs would just bore them. Hope that helps, good luck. -- Mike Chambers Fedora Project - Ambassador, Bug Zapper, Tester, User, etc.. mikec302 at fedoraproject.org From fcrippa at byte-code.com Fri Mar 28 09:48:18 2008 From: fcrippa at byte-code.com (Francesco Crippa) Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2008 10:48:18 +0100 Subject: [Ambassadors] fedora ambassador talk at liberaMENTE (Opera, italy, In-Reply-To: <47EBEBAB.1060100@redhat.com> References: <1206618892.4183.62.camel@sboing.byte-code.lan> <1206628709.3483.33.camel@pong-fc8.byte-code.lan> <47EBEBAB.1060100@redhat.com> Message-ID: <1206697698.4316.11.camel@pong-fc8.byte-code.lan> On Thu, 2008-03-27 at 19:47 +0100, Gianluca Varisco wrote: > Francesco Crippa wrote: > > Do you know if is it possible to have a OLPC (maybe through RedHat > > Italy) for this event? > > > > Hi guys, > > I've been here since few weeks, and I still haven't introduced myself > (I'll do it later, believe me :> ). > I'm one of the guys of the Redhat's office in Milan and I received in > September an OLPC from a colleague of mine; It's a Beta Test 3 system > [1] with the latest stable release, Build 656 (2008-01-17). I can be > there at liberaMENTE on the 19th April and bring with me the OLPC ;-) > > What do you think about that? Is it OK for you, guys? ;-) Let me know! :-) I think it's great! Take care bye francesco -- -------------------------------------------- Dott. Francesco Crippa Solutions Architect Byte-Code srl via Cechov, 1 20098 - San Giuliano Milanese (MI) tel. +39 02 9840047 fax. +39 02 98247475 cel. +39 328 3561528 fcrippa at byte-code.com From stickster at gmail.com Fri Mar 28 22:08:45 2008 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2008 18:08:45 -0400 Subject: [Ambassadors] FUDCon Lodging Message-ID: <1206742125.897.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> As the co-organizers for the North American FUDCon F10, the illustrious Max Spevack and I are trying to get a handle on our true hotel needs for the event. To that end, I?ve made a couple changes to the FUDCon planning page so we can gather information on who needs lodging for the show: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FUDCon/FUDConF10#Attendees PLEASE visit that page and add your information to the table of attendees. We?re asking who?s attending the Summit as a customer so we can weigh the logistics of using ?shoulder dates?[1] at the Red Hat Summit-affiliated hotels to house our FUDCon attendees. There are a number of factors to consider, including but not limited to cost and convenience to the FUDCon location. We hope to have all hotel details and room blocks shortly. You can bank on more news the moment that happens. If you need to list your attendance as "tentative" or if you have special needs (or can offer lodging), please feel free to list that information as well. = = = = = [1] For people who don?t know, ?shoulder dates? are dates surrounding a booked event, for which the hotel guarantees rooms at the event rate. 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Close open issues 17:08 < fugolini> 2. Start new ones 17:08 < fugolini> 1. 17:08 < fugolini> Actually we have three issue on discussion that need to be complete 17:09 < fugolini> see fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/SteeringCommittee/Agenda 17:09 < fugolini> First one: 17:10 < fugolini> Define Fedora Event Budget criterias 17:10 < fugolini> at this point we haven't formalize anything 17:11 < fugolini> During this weekend we will able to close this issue 17:11 < kanarip> nice 17:12 < fugolini> and we will send to Ambs M-L for a review 17:12 < kanarip> even nicer ;-) 17:12 < fugolini> Someone want to say something? 17:12 < fugolini> spevack ? iWolf? 17:13 * kanarip does 17:13 < fugolini> kanarip: 17:13 < kanarip> as we have budget for LinuxTag, here's what we're doing: we're going to break it down from a general budget for the event to actual spendings 17:14 < kanarip> think of things like hotel, swag, booth (buildup), the amount of square footage we have on the event, etc 17:14 < kanarip> although we're not actually spending the money, we're going to try and keep track of what it is that is being spend exactly 17:15 < kanarip> is that useful for you regarding these guidelines? 17:15 < fugolini> i think we can discuss deeply about this in the next issue: Event Reporting Guidelines 17:15 < fugolini> but yes 17:16 < kanarip> hmm 17:16 < fugolini> we are working to find some criterias based on the event and regional activity 17:16 < iWolf> ! 17:16 < fugolini> iWolf: 17:16 < iWolf> re: budget, yes, I think when Max posts to the Ambassador list, that will move us towards being able to close that line item. 17:16 < iWolf> eof 17:17 -!- ldimagg__ [n=ldimaggi at nat/redhat/x-7348664fefdebc29] has quit ["Leaving"] 17:17 -!- nim-nim [n=nim-nim at fedora/nim-nim] has quit ["Leaving."] 17:17 < fugolini> So, we can move on the next topic: Event Reporting Guidelines 17:18 < iWolf> ! 17:18 < fugolini> kanarip: can you send a detailed mail of what do you want ? 17:19 < fugolini> so we can discuss with more care in the list 17:19 -!- nim-nim [n=nim-nim at fedora/nim-nim] has joined #fedora-meeting 17:19 < fugolini> iWolf: 17:19 < kanarip> fugolini, i might, it's in the EMEA Board meeting minutes 17:19 < iWolf> I think we have the basis for the reporting guidelines done. We just need to make sure we capture the metrics (i.e. the hard numbers). 17:20 < iWolf> I think Max made a few suggestions of what we would want to capture in the last IRC meeting on Monday. 17:20 -!- nim-nim [n=nim-nim at fedora/nim-nim] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 17:20 < kanarip> see what it is now; we request budget and get some; what we're targeting is to request budget with an actual break down on what it is being spent on 17:20 < iWolf> We probably just need to take those, make sure we approve and work from there. 17:20 < iWolf> eof 17:20 < fugolini> iWolf: ok, so we can put on vote 17:21 < iWolf> yep, a mailing list vote - we just need to dig the things Max mentioned from the last meeting. 17:21 < fugolini> yes, that's what i mean 17:22 < fugolini> kanarip: i think this question is related 17:22 -!- mbacovsk [n=mbacovsk at okr2fw.topnet.cz] has joined #fedora-meeting 17:22 < fugolini> to treasurery 17:22 < kanarip> fugolini, it might, but it's not the reporting we're targeting with breaking down the budget 17:23 < fugolini> sorry, breaking down? 17:23 < kanarip> fugolini, suppose you see: 17:23 < kanarip> LinuxTag, $20k 17:23 < kanarip> breaking it down would be: 17:24 < kanarip> LinuxTag Hotel for people that help at the booth: $3k, Booth Footage (hire): $2k, Booth itself: $2k, etc 17:24 -!- than_home [n=than_hom at p5B2054BD.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #fedora-meeting 17:25 < fugolini> ok, i had understand another thing 17:25 < fugolini> so, it can really help 17:25 < kanarip> right ;-) 17:25 < kanarip> so that's what you'll be getting from us 17:26 * fugolini has a terrible headache (Influence) 17:26 < kanarip> as i think it's one of the majorly important aspects for budgets assigned to events; you might be able to use it in your guidelines for requesting and assigning budgets, right? 17:27 < fugolini> yes, it can help Fedora Event Budget 17:27 < fugolini> we split the budget in two three: 1. have some guidelines 2. determine the budget (usgin guidelines) 17:28 < fugolini> *the budget issue 17:28 < fugolini> *tree 17:28 < fugolini> is ok? 17:29 < fugolini> so, starting the 2nd issue: 17:29 < fugolini> *finishing 17:29 < fugolini> Event Reporting Guidelines: we will vote on M-L and then we will report Ambs list 17:30 < fugolini> ok? 17:30 < iWolf> +1 17:30 -!- lutter [n=dlutter at dsl081-244-080.sfo1.dsl.speakeasy.net] has left #fedora-meeting [] 17:30 < fabian_a> +1 17:30 < fugolini> +1 17:30 < MrTom> +1 17:31 < fugolini> next topic: Ambassadors' pages list 17:31 < fugolini> fabian_a makes review many pages 17:32 < fugolini> and i tried to make the best i could 17:32 < fugolini> there are several issues open: 17:32 < fugolini> Local pages 17:32 < fugolini> i found two big trees: EMEA and french pages 17:33 < fabian_a> ? 17:33 < fugolini> Personally i didn't list them in the page 17:33 < fugolini> ok, i try to explain 17:33 < fugolini> if you searxh page under /Ambassadors 17:34 < fugolini> you will find the pages i listed and other pages like /Ambassadors/EMEA or /Ambassadors/French 17:34 < fugolini> or something similar 17:34 < fugolini> i think due to the type of content to split those two from the list 17:35 -!- gregdek is now known as gregdek_gone 17:35 < fugolini> asking (see the bottom of http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/SteeringCommittee/CleanUpPages) 17:35 < fugolini> to make their own lists 17:35 < fugolini> i think it the most correctly way to respect the local autonomies 17:36 < fugolini> It's ok? 17:36 < iWolf> +1 17:36 < fabian_a> +1 17:36 < fugolini> so, i have sent an email to FAmSCo (in the cleanup thread) asking for help in this way 17:37 < fugolini> fortunately we have MrTom president of Fedora France and fabian_a VP of Fedora EMEA 17:37 < iWolf> :) 17:37 < fugolini> i'm asking you to take the reposnability to inform your respective members 17:38 < fugolini> now we have kanarip 17:38 < fugolini> VP of Fedora EMEA 17:38 < kanarip> pong? 17:38 < MrTom> ! 17:38 < fugolini> MrTom 17:38 < MrTom> what do you mena by "make their own list" ? 17:38 < MrTom> eof 17:39 < fugolini> to list all the page in the /ambassadors/french 17:39 < MrTom> ah ok 17:39 < fugolini> and review them 17:39 < MrTom> ok 17:39 < GeroldKa> fugolini, what's up? 17:39 < fugolini> hi mr.president :) 17:40 < fugolini> GeroldKa: is president of fedora EMEA 17:40 < GeroldKa> hello Mr. Chair 17:40 < GeroldKa> fugolini, is chair of FAMSCo 17:40 < fugolini> i was talking about the ambassadors wiki pages under /EMEA/ directory 17:40 < GeroldKa> what can I do for you? 17:41 < GeroldKa> btw. ...... 17:41 < GeroldKa> Mr. Chair .... 17:41 < fugolini> we are making a list of /Ambassadors 17:41 < GeroldKa> fabian_a, is DOUBLE-Vice 17:41 < fabian_a> Ambassadors/EMEA there are only 6 pages... 17:42 < GeroldKa> 6 pages of what? 17:42 < fugolini> that's why i'm asking you 17:43 < iWolf> let 17:43 < iWolf> 's move on if we can. 17:44 < fugolini> So i will send a mail with more clarification 17:44 < fugolini> just stay tuned 17:44 < iWolf> +1 17:44 < MrTom> we will :) 17:44 < fugolini> Next week i will send an email to invite the whole community 17:45 < fugolini> to partecipate in the updating process 17:45 < fugolini> some pages, like hp, /SteeringCommittee etc... will directly managed by FAmSCo 17:46 < fugolini> you can see this in the link i show you before 17:46 < fugolini> Any objection? 17:46 < fugolini> Ok. We can start, briefly, the second part of our meeting 17:47 < fugolini> After a month we have closed our first issues 17:47 < fugolini> but we have to face new ones 17:47 < fugolini> I spoke a lot, i want, first of all, your ideas 17:48 -!- LetoTo [n=paul at bofh.xelerance.com] has joined #fedora-meeting 17:48 < iWolf> ! 17:48 < fugolini> iWolf: 17:48 -!- LetoTo [n=paul at bofh.xelerance.com] has left #fedora-meeting [] 17:48 < iWolf> I think FAmSCo needs to put some energy behind your release parties suggestion. 17:49 < iWolf> we need to make sure to push this idea to the ambassador community and do whatever we can to help facilitate these parties. 17:49 < iWolf> help them get some flyers, ideas as to what to do at a release party, etc, etc. 17:49 < fugolini> Yes. I agree with you. 17:49 < iWolf> So I would suggest we work on that in the next few days on the famsco list and then push those ideas to the ambassadors list. 17:49 < iWolf> eof 17:49 < MrTom> +1 17:49 < fabian_a> +1 17:50 < iWolf> so let's brainstorm some on the list and get some energy going on that. 17:50 < fugolini> In fact, uring the Marketing meeting, we were asked to give some updates over this initiative 17:50 * iWolf wonders if we could stage a contest of sorts 17:51 < fugolini> i expect before thursday to have something to report 17:51 < fugolini> iWolf: great idea! 17:52 < fugolini> i think we have first of all to have a map of our action 17:52 < fugolini> i think something like 17:53 < fugolini> 1.Event Organization 2. "Promotional" material 3. Reporting 4. FAmSCo support 17:53 < fugolini> maybe a wiki could help this brainstorm 17:53 < fugolini> ehehe 17:53 < iWolf> :) 17:54 < fugolini> tomorrow i will send a mail to Ambs M-L 17:55 < fugolini> asking for ideas etc... meanwhile i will create a wiki page to be used like a sand box 17:55 < fugolini> sounds good? 17:55 < iWolf> that sounds good to me - brainstorming is good and the wiki will work to bring that together. 17:56 < fugolini> For agenda purpose i need the owners, i think iWolf you need to be one 17:56 < iWolf> we'll need to move fast on this though, in order to give people time to plan and announce their party. 17:56 < iWolf> that's fine, you can assign me as an owner. 17:56 < MrTom> ! 17:56 < fugolini> the deadline is next mktg meeting 17:56 < fugolini> i will take care of the wiki 17:56 < iWolf> okat 17:57 < fugolini> MrTom: 17:57 < iWolf> s/okat/okay/ 17:57 < MrTom> we have to take care of one important information i think before *announcing parties* 17:57 < MrTom> we are used to make release parties here and i'll be glad to help on this issue 17:58 < MrTom> but we often had problem concerning the release date and the release party date 17:58 < fugolini> i read about this concern in the list 17:58 < fugolini> that's true 17:58 < MrTom> as the fedora project has the habit to delay releases, it is sometimes difficult to benefit from the release happiness for a release party 17:58 < MrTom> eof 18:00 < fugolini> That's a good question, i think we could ask spot 18:00 < fugolini> but i think we couldn't be sure with 100% 18:00 < iWolf> for parties we do, we sort of announce when we are sure of a release date 18:00 < iWolf> and usually even then, the party isn't on the actual release date, but within the following week. 18:00 < MrTom> but we can warn about not making release party the next day of a general release 18:00 < MrTom> or even a week later 18:00 < iWolf> +1 18:01 < fugolini> What are the main problems: 18:01 < MrTom> as we'll never now, we have to warn and inform 18:02 < fugolini> 1. with a 60% the realease could be delaied 18:02 < fugolini> (that's a number, don't take care of it) 18:02 < fugolini> 2. we could risk to make a party without F9 18:02 < fugolini> but we could use a less stable rawhied or RC 18:03 < fugolini> with all the problem it could have 18:03 < fugolini> *s 18:03 < fugolini> 3. people have to book a place to organize the event 18:03 < fugolini> 4. people have to announce their own events 18:04 < fugolini> i summarize what we have said 18:04 < fugolini> i think we have to decide a deadline 18:04 < fugolini> to say a day 18:04 < fugolini> *a/the 18:05 < fugolini> if we will not sure about the date we will see 18:05 < fugolini> ok? 18:06 < MrTom> ok 18:06 < fugolini> so at this point we have to: 18:06 -!- couf [n=bart at fedora/couf] has quit ["leaving"] 18:06 < fugolini> 1. Ambs brainstorming on flyers, activites etc. 18:07 < fugolini> 2. Pay attention to the development process and try to foresee a date 18:08 < fugolini> iWolf: for the contest etc... i think we could discuss about it in the list, to have more "space" 18:08 < iWolf> fugolini: sounds good to me. 18:08 < fugolini> what's the next? 18:09 < fugolini> i think this week we have just a lot of stuff to close and a big one to start 18:09 < iWolf> I agree. 18:09 < fugolini> try to focuse on those ones and then see what will happen 18:09 < fugolini> Have you something to say before adjourn the meeting? 18:09 < iWolf> nothing from me. 18:09 < fugolini> Some complaints :), ideas, etc? 18:10 < EvilBob> ! 18:10 < fugolini> EvilBob: 18:10 < EvilBob> Just so you know release engineering is concerned about screwing up release parties 18:10 < EvilBob> it was brought up in their meeting this week 18:10 < EvilBob> EOF 18:10 < iWolf> good deal! 18:11 < MrTom> yep :) 18:11 < fugolini> good 18:12 < fugolini> i think release parties could help the "branding process" and the "community development" 18:13 < fugolini> community devellopment: creation of a strenght community 18:13 < fugolini> 3 18:13 < fugolini> 2 18:13 < fugolini> 1 18:13 < fugolini> == Meeting Adjourned == From jkeating at redhat.com Sat Mar 29 12:12:16 2008 From: jkeating at redhat.com (Jesse Keating) Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2008 08:12:16 -0400 Subject: [Ambassadors] Speaking engagement at Northeastern University report In-Reply-To: <20080228102642.75c628a9@redhat.com> References: <20080227165216.17b10129@redhat.com> <20080228085819.481600b3@redhat.com> <20080228102642.75c628a9@redhat.com> Message-ID: <1206792736.3615.26.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Thu, 2008-02-28 at 10:26 -0500, Jesse Keating wrote: > > Yes, actually there was somebody videoing the talk. I'm trying to get > a copy of that now. > Finally got the video! http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3244837865617736871&hl=en -- Jesse Keating Fedora -- All my bits are free, are yours? -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 197 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From fab at fedoraproject.org Sat Mar 29 15:09:22 2008 From: fab at fedoraproject.org (Fabian Affolter) Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2008 16:09:22 +0100 Subject: [Ambassadors] FAD LinuxTag 2008 - Country Overview Message-ID: Hi all, In front of the LinuxTag 2008 is a FAD [1] like last in 2007. Mostly for briefing and organizing the open issues about LinuxTag, but there is a lot of other stuff to discuss about Fedora in Europe, too. This FAD will be hold at Berlin at May 27, 2008. Like at the other FADs we would like to have a Country overviews of the participating countries. Details about all other European countries are welcome too. Please use this template at the Fedora wiki [2]. I hope that two months are enough to get this information...if there are no volunteers I will assign this job to you ;-) Please visit the FAD LinuxTag 2008 page [1] for more details about the FAD. Btw, there is a section "Attendees". Add yourself to the list if you are able to join us at this FAD or you are an attendee at LinuxTag. More details about the exact location and time will follow as soon as this information is available. Kind regard, Fabian [1] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FAD/FADLinuxTag2008 [2] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FAD/FADLinuxTag2008/CountryOverview From inode0 at gmail.com Sat Mar 29 16:28:07 2008 From: inode0 at gmail.com (inode0) Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2008 11:28:07 -0500 Subject: [Ambassadors] Speaking engagement at Northeastern University report In-Reply-To: <1206792736.3615.26.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <20080227165216.17b10129@redhat.com> <20080228085819.481600b3@redhat.com> <20080228102642.75c628a9@redhat.com> <1206792736.3615.26.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: 2008/3/29 Jesse Keating : > On Thu, 2008-02-28 at 10:26 -0500, Jesse Keating wrote: > > > > Yes, actually there was somebody videoing the talk. I'm trying to get > > a copy of that now. > > > > Finally got the video! > > http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3244837865617736871&hl=en Nice talk Jesse, I enjoyed listening and watching very much. 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Now, its your turn :) [1] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-ambassadors-list/2008-March/msg00210.htm [2] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/ReleaseEvents Regards Francesco Ugolini p.s. We are tuned to know F9's Release date. From danishka at gmail.com Mon Mar 31 03:24:26 2008 From: danishka at gmail.com (Danishka Navin) Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2008 08:54:26 +0530 Subject: [Ambassadors] Fedora private mirrors for Sri Lanka Message-ID: Hi All, Currently I'm handling Free-media project for Sri Lanka, and Maintaining Sinhala language for the Fedora. But I relized that Free-media project is not a total solution for a distribution. Sometimes we are busy with our work. And the Form activation is only one day per month. But still Free-media project is good. But we can go ahead. I have proposed to Sri Lanka Linux community to have private mirrors on each and every university. Its the 1st phase. As the the 2nd phase putting Fedora mirror on the Sri Lanka School-net, thats is the official VPN for all the schools in Sri Lanka. Please provide a rough idea of space, connectivity and bandwidth assuming a test case like this. you host latest stable release synchronize every two weeks 100 regular users per university My ultimate target is to cover each and every academic and region IT centers in Sri Lanka. Appreciate you earliest response. Regards, -- Danishka Navin -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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As the the 2nd phase putting Fedora mirror on the Sri > Lanka School-net, thats is the official VPN for all the schools in Sri > Lanka. > > Please provide a rough idea of space, connectivity and bandwidth assuming > a test case like this. > > you host latest stable release > synchronize every two weeks > 100 regular users per university The full Fedora 8 install tree is 88GB, including the ppc arch and debuginfo packages, which you may not need. If only carrying i386 and x86_64, and no debuginfo, it's 39GB. The updates tree for Fedora 8 is another 47GB including ppc and debuginfo, 16GB if not. The releases tree changes only every 6 months (excluding test releases). The updates tree should be synced daily. Budgeting 200GB for Fedora 9 is not too much, especially as we've been growing the releases over time. I expect the full install tree to be 120GB, and over time the updates tree will grow as it has with Fedora 8. We have no public mirrors registered for Sri Lanka, and would appreciate having some. We have only 2 public mirrors in India (presumably where your users are pulling from today). As for bandwidth required, we recommend no less than 10Mbit/sec, and prefer 100Mbit/sec or higher if available. Often times educational networks will have even higher available bandwidth inside a single university or between universities. > My ultimate target is to cover each and every academic and region IT > centers in Sri Lanka. That would be fantastic. > Appreciate you earliest response. > > Regards, > -- > Danishka Navin Thanks, Matt Fedora Mirror Wrangler http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Infrastructure/Mirroring From danishka at gmail.com Mon Mar 31 05:04:54 2008 From: danishka at gmail.com (Danishka Navin) Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2008 10:34:54 +0530 Subject: [Ambassadors] Fedora private mirrors for Sri Lanka In-Reply-To: <20080331044819.GA31289@domsch.com> References: <20080331044819.GA31289@domsch.com> Message-ID: Hi Matt, Thanks for your quick responce. :) On Mon, Mar 31, 2008 at 10:18 AM, Matt Domsch wrote: > On Mon, Mar 31, 2008 at 08:54:26AM +0530, Danishka Navin wrote: > > Hi All, > > > > Currently I'm handling Free-media project for Sri Lanka, and > Maintaining > > Sinhala language for the Fedora. > > But I relized that Free-media project is not a total solution for a > > distribution. > > Sometimes we are busy with our work. And the Form activation is only > one > > day per month. > > But still Free-media project is good. But we can go ahead. > > > > I have proposed to Sri Lanka Linux community to have private mirrors > on > > each and every university. > > Its the 1st phase. As the the 2nd phase putting Fedora mirror on the > Sri > > Lanka School-net, thats is the official VPN for all the schools in > Sri > > Lanka. > > > > Please provide a rough idea of space, connectivity and bandwidth > assuming > > a test case like this. > > > > you host latest stable release > > synchronize every two weeks > > 100 regular users per university > > The full Fedora 8 install tree is 88GB, including the ppc arch and > debuginfo packages, which you may not need. If only carrying i386 and > x86_64, and no debuginfo, it's 39GB. > > The updates tree for Fedora 8 is another 47GB including ppc and > debuginfo, 16GB if not. > > The releases tree changes only every 6 months (excluding test > releases). The updates tree should be synced daily. > > Budgeting 200GB for Fedora 9 is not too much, especially as we've been > growing the releases over time. I expect the full install tree to be > 120GB, and over time the updates tree will grow as it has with Fedora > 8. > > We have no public mirrors registered for Sri Lanka, and would > appreciate having some. We have only 2 public mirrors in India > (presumably where your users are pulling from today). yeah, We I am planning proposed to www.sltidc.lk for a public mirror. :) > > As for bandwidth required, we recommend no less than 10Mbit/sec, and > prefer 100Mbit/sec or higher if available. Often times educational > networks will have even higher available bandwidth inside a single > university or between universities. > Now all major universities are connected to LEARN network (University VLAN ) via a Optical Fiber having a bandwidth of at least 10Mbps. And hope to host internal mirror at one of the University and others can sync from that. > > > > My ultimate target is to cover each and every academic and region IT > > centers in Sri Lanka. > > That would be fantastic. > > > Appreciate you earliest response. > > > > Regards, > > -- > > Danishka Navin > > > Thanks, > Matt > Fedora Mirror Wrangler > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Infrastructure/Mirroring > > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > -- Danishka Navin -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gvarisco at redhat.com Mon Mar 31 14:56:20 2008 From: gvarisco at redhat.com (Gianluca Varisco) Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2008 16:56:20 +0200 Subject: [Ambassadors] Fedora and Italian communities: What-a-Mess! Message-ID: <47F0FB94.9050902@redhat.com> Hi guys, I'd like to discuss with all of you the current situation we have in Italy regarding the Fedora Project and its unofficial communities. # Fedora-it.org [ http://www.fedora-it.org/ ] Maintained by ILDN (Italian Linux Distro Network), they provide both a forum (total users registered: 457) and a mailing list [1] in which there are registered, at the moment, 53 users: - 36 non-digest users - 17 digest users # Fedora Italia [ http://www.fedoraitalia.org/ ] Maintained by one guy, Glauco Zuccaccia; His site provide both news and a forum. He was one of the guys behind the website maintained by ILDN before the split (due to internal problems with the other guys, IIRC). As I wrote above, both of them have also a lot of user base that could be better helped and trained regarding the Fedora project and its amazing community. I already discussed about my thoughts with some of the italian guys that did a great job with Fedora byNight (members of LOLUG, probably the most active LUG in Italy at the moment regarding Fedora) and we thought about have an official mailing list hosted by Fedora itself: fedora-it-list We could also try to merge existent italian mailing lists regarding Fedora in fedora-it-list and declare it as 'official'. Next step with this mailing list would be, definitely, working with the existent communities and try to establish a bridge where work all together: OUR goal should be Fedora, how to spread it and how to help users, not doing personal wars for stupid things! And possibly, an unified, STRONG, system/community ;-) We already have an IRC channel on Freenode, #fedora-it, and we would like to discuss these tings here with other ambassadors and read what they think about our ideas. Best Regards, [1] http://www.ildn.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/fedora-it-lists.ildn.net -- Gianluca Varisco, RHCE Intern - Web Engineering, Red Hat Italia Tel.: +39 02 9737 4654 (direct) +39 02 5681 4487 Fax : +39 02 669 3111 Cel.: +39 333 574 0934 Address/Indirizzo: Via Antonio Da Recanate 1 20124 Milano From luca at foppiano.org Mon Mar 31 15:25:40 2008 From: luca at foppiano.org (Luca Foppiano) Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2008 17:25:40 +0200 Subject: [Ambassadors] Re: Fedora and Italian communities: What-a-Mess! In-Reply-To: <47F0FB94.9050902@redhat.com> References: <47F0FB94.9050902@redhat.com> Message-ID: <1206977140.4268.30.camel@sboing.byte-code.lan> On Mon, 2008-03-31 at 16:56 +0200, Gianluca Varisco wrote: [cut] > We could also try to merge existent italian mailing lists regarding > Fedora in fedora-it-list and declare it as 'official'. > > Next step with this mailing list would be, definitely, working with the > existent communities and try to establish a bridge where work all > together: OUR goal should be Fedora, how to spread it and how to help > users, not doing personal wars for stupid things! And possibly, an > unified, STRONG, system/community ;-) > We already have an IRC channel on Freenode, #fedora-it, and we would > like to discuss these tings here with other ambassadors and read what > they think about our ideas. I completely agree. Every time a new guy come on our channel (#fedora-it), ask us about an official forum or a localized official web site. Italian community need a localized official place, not only for technical reasons (there are a lot of ubuntu users that want to switch or try fedora but they are blocked by English language, for example) but also to allow Italian Fedora community strengthening. Regards Luca -- Today is Setting Orange, the 17th day of Discord in the YOLD 3174 From fugolini at fedoraproject.org Mon Mar 31 19:31:27 2008 From: fugolini at fedoraproject.org (Francesco Ugolini) Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2008 21:31:27 +0200 Subject: [Ambassadors] Re: Fedora and Italian communities: What-a-Mess! In-Reply-To: <1206977140.4268.30.camel@sboing.byte-code.lan> References: <47F0FB94.9050902@redhat.com> <1206977140.4268.30.camel@sboing.byte-code.lan> Message-ID: > (#fedora-it), ask us about an official forum or a localized official web > site. Official web site: fedoraproject.org without doubts :) We can host our pages there (through the wiki) and we can work translating the existing contents. I think a global point of reference is the best way to recognized fedora brand moreover create another site could be quite confusing for people (and for us) and it could be, also, difficult to mantain. Forum: i know in the past there were a lot of problems, fedora-it was a fork of another forum, so, i don't know how many support we could receive when we will ask them to come back all together. I think we could use diplomacy and try to find a, possible, solution. Another important point is that there aren't official fedora forums. What we can do is to work creating a great community and cancel all division between Italian fedorians :) That's my point of view. Regards Francesco Ugolini