[Ambassadors] IRC Log of FAMSCo Meeting - 14 Mar 2008

Francesco Ugolini fugolini at fedoraproject.org
Sun Mar 16 08:51:14 UTC 2008

2008/3/15, John Babich <jmbabich at gmail.com>:
> <fugolin1>      hi, just 2 mins
>  <spevack>       hi francesco
>  <fabian_a>      hi guys
>  <jmbuser>       hi everybody
>  <fugolin1>      ok, i think the others will join us in the next minutes
>  <fugolin1>      we can start
>  *       cebbert (n=cebbert at nat/redhat/x-5e55eba896d60c17) has joined #fedora-meeting
>  <fugolin1>      It's time for the roll call
>  <fugolin1>      FrancescoUgolini
>  <jmbuser>       JohnBabich
>  <fabian_a>      FabianAffolter
>  <spevack>       MaxSpevack
>  *       knurd is now known as knurd_afk
>  *       wolfy (n=lonewolf at fedora/wolfy) has left #fedora-meeting ("Your'er
>  so cheap, I bet you look under the bed in the morning to see if you
>  lost any sleep.")
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>  *       spevack thinks things have been going pretty well overall the last
>  few weeks for famsco.  lots of good progress
>  <fugolin1>      Unfortunately Jeffrey can't join the meeting due to work issues
>  <fugolin1>      spevack: this sounds good :)
>  <fugolin1>      Before we start with the agenda i want to know who will log
>  this meeting
>  <fugolin1>      last week was John
>  <fugolin1>      is ok for you to do this again ?
>  <fugolin1>      John = jmbuser
>  <jmbuser>       fugolini: No problem
>  <fugolin1>      thank you
>  <fugolin1>      Today's agenda:
>  <fugolin1>       1. Events Budgets status (to be defined in the list)
>  <fugolin1>      2. Wiki Pages Cleanup status
>  <fugolin1>      3. Ambassadors Project status (events, activities etc...)
>  <fugolin1>      1. As i said Jeffrey can't be here
>  <spevack>       well, i think we pretty much worked out all that budget
>  stuff on the mailing list, and Jeffrey will send it to ambassadors
>  list this weekend
>  <fugolin1>      He is working hard defining great budget policies
>  <fugolin1>      sorry but i'm typing on a real small keyboard
>  <fugolin1>      spevack: do you want to say something about it ?
>  <spevack>       well, just one quick thing
>  <spevack>       i think that once jeffrey sends it to the list.
>  <spevack>       it is important to remember that we have been thinking about
>  this for a week or two now
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>  <spevack>       other ambassadors might have questions, and let's make sure
>  that we take time to watch the mailing list and help people understand
>  <spevack>       I think that we need to be open to suggestions too
>  <spevack>       the entire point of the process around getting th Events page updated
>  <spevack>       one month before the quarter starts
>  <spevack>       is that so everyone can make sure that we are using our money well
>  <spevack>       the processes we are proposing are not too complicated
>  <spevack>       but i want to make sure people know that we are open to feedback
>  <spevack>       EOF
>  <fugolin1>      Surely i will personally work overe there, i love feedbacks :)
>  <fugolin1>      thank you Maxù
>  <fugolin1>      Ok, personally what i had to say about it is on the M-L
>  <fugolin1>      take a look at it
>  <fugolin1>      Let's go on
>  <fugolin1>       2. Wiki Pages Cleanup status
>  <fugolin1>      Today i want to spend some time over this issue
>  <fugolin1>      because it was a little bit undertaken
>  <fugolin1>      and i was one of the people that undertook this
>  <fugolin1>      During the last meeting i gave a deadline
>  <spevack>       can i ask a quick question
>  <spevack>       since i missed the last meeting?
>  <fugolin1>      yep
>  <spevack>       Is the goal basically to look at every page under
>  Ambassadors/* on the wiki, determine if it is still useful, should be
>  deleted, needs updating, etc?
>  <fugolin1>      this is the first task we wanted to take care
>  <spevack>       i think that is a very good idea
>  <spevack>       and one that we are hoping that various Steering committees
>  for all sub-projects will do with their part of the wiki.
>  *       MrTom (n=mrtom at fedora/MrTom) has joined #fedora-meeting
>  <spevack>       Here is what I was thinking about doing.  Francesco, you can
>  tell me what you think
>  <MrTom> ThomasCanniot
>  *       bop80medic (n=zeus at urz-ar224.urz.unibas.ch) has joined #fedora-meeting
>  <MrTom> (sorry for being late)
>  <fugolin1>      it's an hard job, but we have to divide the work between us
>  <fugolin1>      MrTom: np
>  <bop80medic>    +
>  <spevack>       I was simply going to do a search on the wiki for all the
>  pages under Ambassadors/* and make a list of pages that I think could
>  be ok to delete, put those in a list, and let people consider it.
>  <spevack>       EOF
>  <bop80medic>    !
>  <spevack>       bop80medic: go ahead
>  <fugolin1>      spevack: good, i created i small wiki page you can see
>  here: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/SteeringCommittee/CleanUpPages
>  <fugolin1>      bop80medic:
>  <spevack>       fugolin1: i will add to it
>  <bop80medic>    I am a bit late.. and I have to go on here
>  <bop80medic>    I am AndreasR
>  <fugolin1>      happy to see you
>  <bop80medic>    we change our corenetwork this weekend and I have to go
>  one with some work
>  <bop80medic>    so I can not participate our meeting
>  <fugolin1>      bop80medic: after the meeting we will send to Ambs and
>  FAmSCo list the log
>  <bop80medic>    eof
>  <bop80medic>    thx a lot, sorry
>  <bop80medic>    but I have still a lot things to plan
>  <bop80medic>    will read the log and communicate throught our mailinglist
>  <bop80medic>    eof
>  <fugolin1>      I think everyone at famsco (except who is working in other
>  task, like budget,  but they are accepted if they want to work )
>  <fugolin1>      so thanks max
>  <fugolin1>      :)
>  <jmbuser>       !
>  <fugolin1>      jmbuser:
>  <bop80medic>    thx too ... will leave now.. have a good meeting
>  <jmbuser>       I can do some wiki cleanup too
>  <jmbuser>       eof
>  <fugolin1>      now it's only listing, but after we will finish such task
>  we will start working over it
>  <spevack>       fugolin1: i think the wiki cleanup is important, and i will help!
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>  <fugolin1>      so, i think we could spend 10 minutes per day browsing the wiki
>  <fugolin1>      the next task will be the concrete activity
>  <spevack>       fugolin1: let's make it a goal to have a list of all the
>  pages under Ambassadors/* that we think either should be deleted or
>  that are "questionable" for next week?
>  <fabian_a>      +1
>  <jmbuser>       +1
>  <fugolin1>      +1 too
>  <spevack>       there are only about 300 pages, and most of them are meeting
>  logs, so it won't be too hard
>  <spevack>       http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FedoraMain?action=fullsearch&context=180&value=Ambassadors&titlesearch=Titles
>  <fugolin1>      so, the next task after the listing will be the cleanup work
>  <fugolin1>      i think we could ask for a wide partecipation off all Ambs proj
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>  <fugolin1>      my personal idea is that we have to create a soustenable
>  way to update
>  <fugolin1>      faster and frequently
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>  <fugolin1>      it's not possible to have a lot of outdated pages and
>  noboday takes care of it
>  <fugolin1>      FAmSCo will coordinate the work, it would be responsible
>  for some "sensible" pages
>  <fugolin1>      and the other pages would be updated by the other ambs.
>  <fugolin1>      eof
>  <fugolin1>      What do you think?
>  <spevack>       fugolin1: sounds like a decent plan.  i'm sure it will work
>  out, especially once we start to identify pages
>  <jmbuser>       !
>  <fugolin1>      jmbuser:
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>  <jmbuser>       Is everyone familiar with how to track wiki changes using a wildcard?
>  <jmbuser>       eof
>  *       spevack is
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>  <spevack>       It's in your UserPreferences page
>  <jmbuser>       spevack: correct
>  <spevack>       If you put "Ambassadors.*" for example, then you will get an
>  email when any page with Ambassadors in it changes.
>  <spevack>       just in case anyone doesn't know
>  <jmbuser>       spevack: That was my point - thanks
>  <fugolin1>      i tracked some pages in the past
>  *       nim-nim (n=nim-nim at fedora/nim-nim) has joined #fedora-meeting
>  <fugolin1>      i'm using this tool in wikipedia
>  <fugolin1>      but this is offtopic
>  <jmbuser>       !
>  <fugolin1>      The next meeting we will discuss about the result of the first part
>  <fugolin1>      jmbuser
>  <jmbuser>       We should remind people of this facility when we ask for
>  help on the list
>  <jmbuser>       eof
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>  <fugolin1>      yes
>  *       RodrigoPadula (n=rodrigop at 201008255213.user.veloxzone.com.br) has
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>  <fugolin1>      I think we have to take care of this issue this week, i
>  invite everyone to report everything he thinks important concerning
>  this issue
>  <RodrigoPadula> hi all!
>  <RodrigoPadula> sorry.. im late
>  <fugolin1>      it's important that everyone knows the opinion of the other
>  <fugolin1>      RodrigoPadula: np
>  <fugolin1>      *others
>  <fugolin1>      if nobody has other questions we can go ahead
>  <fugolin1>      ok ?
>  <fugolin1>      3
>  <fugolin1>      2
>  <fugolin1>      1
>  <fugolin1>       3. Ambassadors Project status (events, activities etc...)
>  <fugolin1>      the last year we didn't have a lot of FAmSCo meetings
>  <fugolin1>      i think it could be a good idea to have a small space to
>  discuss briefly about less important issues etc...
>  <fugolin1>      I want to start with a simple one: Fedora Ambassadors Voice posters
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>  <fugolin1>      thanks to Nicubunu (he made a great job) we had some cool posters
>  <jmbuser>       +1
>  <fugolin1>      As jeffrey remembered the flag template doesn't follow our policies
>  <fugolin1>      so i think we could accept two posters the Post-It one and
>  the Face one
>  <fugolin1>      i think we could produce some of them and put at some events
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>  <fugolin1>      to sponsorize our sub-project
>  <fugolin1>      that's all
>  <spevack>       +1
>  <RodrigoPadula> +1
>  <jmbuser>       +1
>  <spevack>       this is exactly the sort of stuff that our $12k per quarter
>  budget is for.
>  <fugolin1>      good :)
>  <fugolin1>      The next small issue is FAmSCo member events partecipations
>  <fugolin1>      i think all we had to know where FAmSCo is
>  <fugolin1>      just to have an ideas to improve our presence in certain
>  countries/regions
>  <fugolin1>      i don't know if you agree with me
>  <fugolin1>      that's only a proposal
>  <fugolin1>      tell me
>  <fugolin1>      +1
>  <spevack>       here is what i think
>  <spevack>       FAMSCo members should try to get to at least one or two
>  events a year that are relatively close to their location.
>  <fab_a> !
>  <spevack>       most famsco members already do FAR MORE than this
>  <spevack>       especially in europe
>  <spevack>       eof
>  <spevack>       like fabian for example :)
>  <MrTom> you sure ? :)
>  <spevack>       and you too tom ;)
>  <MrTom> roll on next one :)
>  <RodrigoPadula> !
>  <fugolin1>      unfortunately this year was not good for me (expecially in
>  may/june due to exams)
>  <fugolin1>      i will try to carry the second part of year events
>  <fugolin1>      *BIG events
>  <fugolin1>      i will also work in Italy (but with smallest ones)
>  <spevack>       fugolin1: it's no problem.  i will be there too, which will
>  help with having more people at events.
>  <spevack>       in EMEA
>  <fab_a> i attend an event mostly as an ambassador and not as a member
>  of famsco. of course i'm a member of famsco but the visitors don't
>  care about that :-)
>  <fugolin1>      RodrigoPadula:
>  <RodrigoPadula> here in brazil i'm covering all important events (see
>  the events list)
>  <RodrigoPadula> and now, i'm working to improve and support the latin
>  american events and communities
>  <spevack>       I think we have done a very good job of having people who
>  are active leaders in Ambassadors end up on FAMSCo.  And also, FAMSCo
>  has a very global makeup.
>  <RodrigoPadula> this year.. will be a good year for fedora in the latin america
>  <spevack>       US, EMEA, South America, etc.
>  <jmbuser>       !
>  <RodrigoPadula> eof
>  <fugolin1>      jmbuser:
>  <spevack>       and that is important -- because Greg and I -- our goal from
>  *Red Hat* is to ensure that Fedora continues to glow globally, not
>  just in the USA.
>  <spevack>       s/glow/grow
>  <spevack>       EOF
>  <skvidal>       I like glow
>  <jmbuser>       I can cover Middle East and South Asia fairly easily - and
>  parts of Africa if needed
>  <fugolin1>      I think we could map the avaiability
>  <jmbuser>       I think GITEX in Dubai was a success and would like to do it
>  again this Autumn
>  <jmbuser>       EOF
>  <spevack>       jmbuser: +1
>  <fugolin1>      of FAmSCo members
>  <spevack>       jmbuser: i want to come :)
>  <RodrigoPadula> we are improving the resources to support the latin
>  american community: now we have magazines in Portugues and Spanish,
>  Fórum, Web sites and others
>  <RodrigoPadula> FISL will be great!!! With Greg, me, David, and others
>  <jmbuser>       spevack: You're always welcome :-)
>  <fugolin1>      I think we have to be able to make some presentations at the events
>  <RodrigoPadula> Max, you need to come to Brazil ;-)
>  <spevack>       RodrigoPadula: at some point I will... Greg will be there
>  this year!  As you know, my focus is going to be on Europe, so i will
>  be over there... but some day ;)
>  <RodrigoPadula> ;-)
>  <fugolin1>      it's all ok?
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>  <fugolin1>      i think we have to be able to make some presentations at the events
>  <fugolin1>      i know our primarily work is not to promote ambs project
>  <RodrigoPadula> i'm presenting 2 or 3 Lectures by event
>  <fugolin1>      but i think our project is an innvoative one
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>  <jmbuser>       !
>  <spevack>       it is my belief that the most *valuable* events are not ones
>  where the is only a booth, but where we have a Birds of a Feather
>  session, or a Q&A, or various opportunities to speak or give a talk
>  <RodrigoPadula> +1
>  <fugolin1>      i think we could make some slides that everyone at famsco
>  could use to start
>  <fugolin1>      i think people could be interested by such discussions
>  <spevack>       !
>  <fugolin1>      spevack:
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>  <spevack>       my opinion -- it is moderately useful to try to make slides
>  for people, but overall i am not sure how useful this is
>  <spevack>       everyone has a different presentation style
>  <RodrigoPadula> +1
>  <spevack>       some people (like me) try to *never* use slides unless it is
>  absolutely necessary
>  <spevack>       i think that the most important thing we can do
>  <spevack>       is make it clear to people who organize events that we want
>  to see people giving talks about Feodra
>  <jmbuser>       !
>  <spevack>       and events that are going to include sessions or talks
>  <spevack>       get more funding, as a means of us demonstrating that importance.
>  <spevack>       not to say that every event must have a session
>  <spevack>       but the big ones definitely should
>  <spevack>       EOF
>  <fugolin1>      i'm talking about slides, but i was talking about something
>  that can resume the keypoint of a possible discussion
>  <fugolin1>      jmbuser:
>  <spevack>       offtopic -- /me needs to go in about 5 minutes
>  <jmbuser>       One important consideration is the type of event - trade
>  show, commercial, open source, etc.
>  <fugolin1>      ok, this is the last topic we are discussing today
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>  <spevack>       jmbuser: +1
>  <jmbuser>       Is the target developers and/or end users, management, etc?
>  <fugolin1>      jmbuser: it was only an idea, i wasn't talking about
>  defined talks etc...
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>  <jmbuser>       eof
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>  <fugolin1>      as i said this meeting would be the place to discuss case per case
>  <fugolin1>      each event
>  <fugolin1>      and try to define some guidelines
>  <fugolin1>      that's all
>  <fugolin1>      read the beggining of this topic
>  <spevack>       i think that one of the positive side effects
>  <spevack>       of trying to use May 1 as a deadline for the June - August events
>  <spevack>       is that it will give us a chance to examine each event
>  <spevack>       and suggest to the organizers what sorts of things should be at it
>  <spevack>       depending on size, what type of people come, etc.
>  <spevack>       EOF
>  <jmbuser>       +1
>  <RodrigoPadula> +1
>  <RodrigoPadula> i have many events to cover!! sugestion are very welcome!
>  <fugolin1>      RodrigoPadula: as i said at the begginning of this issue
>  <fugolin1>      this would be the place to discuss about this
>  <spevack>       RodrigoPadula: you are already doing a great job ;)
>  <fugolin1>      after i took an off-topic way
>  <fugolin1>      At the end: would  to add thyouis space or just to define
>  some key meetings to talk about such issue?
>  <fugolin1>      bad keyboard
>  <fugolin1>      Would you add this space in each meeting or ...
>  <fugolin1>      that's a question
>  <jmbuser>       !
>  <fugolin1>      jmbuser:
>  <jmbuser>       Do you mean something like - these are upcoming events and
>  discuss strategy?
>  <jmbuser>       eof
>  <fugolin1>      ok, i was a little bit caotic
>  <fugolin1>      i'm talking about upcoming events that will be covered by a
>  famsco member
>  <fugolin1>      i think it would be better to define it in a mail
>  <spevack>       fugolin1: why don't we move it to the list then, and talk
>  about it there?
>  *       spevack needs to go anyway :(
>  <fugolin1>      yep
>  <jmbuser>       +1
>  <fugolin1>      it is what i want :)
>  <fugolin1>      for today we have finished
>  <spevack>       thank you for leading our meeting today francesco!
>  <jmbuser>       +1
>  <fugolin1>      thank you too
>  <spevack>       talk to you all later -- have a good weekend.
>  <fugolin1>      ok
>  <fugolin1>      thanks to be here
>  <fugolin1>      i will post the proposal tomorrow
>  <RodrigoPadula> thanks max!!
>  <fugolin1>      today i'm using my ibook and it has a really uncofortable keyboard
>  <fugolin1>      blah....
>  <RodrigoPadula> see you! I will send to you a mail with many latin
>  american results ;-)
>  <fugolin1>      the next time i will use a wired one
>  <fugolin1>      RodrigoPadula: great
>  <fugolin1>      as you know i love feedbacks
>  <RodrigoPadula> ;-)
>  <RodrigoPadula> i love results hehehe
>  <fugolin1>      i work better if i had some datas to analyze
>  <fugolin1>      ehehe
>  <fugolin1>      result is my second name :)
>  <jmbuser>       Is the meeting over officially?
>  <RodrigoPadula> in latin american... all is going very well
>  <fugolin1>      ops
>  <fugolin1>      == Meeting Adjourned ==

Thank you John.

This afternoon i'm going to start working over the Wiki pages cleanup.


Francesco Ugolini

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