From satyajit at nerdshack.com Wed Oct 1 02:39:09 2008 From: satyajit at nerdshack.com (Satyajit Ranjeev) Date: Wed, 01 Oct 2008 09:39:09 +0700 Subject: [Ambassadors][STOP THIS THREAD] [Was: Educational spin ; The lack of quality video drivers is destroying Fedora.] In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1222828749.8144.0.camel@compaq.oakgrove.hom> Hi, My apologies. Satyajit On Wed, 2008-10-01 at 01:31 +0530, Kushal Das wrote: > 2008/10/1 Avi Alkalay : > > I wrote a tutorial (a basic copy-paste of some yum commands) on how to > > quickly install all codecs etc in a Fedora box. > > > > http://avi.alkalay.net/2007/06/fedora-post-installation-configurations.html > > > > You can play DVDs and DivX and H.264 and MP4 a few minutes after installing > > Fedora with this tutorial. > Go and read the rules, you are *NOT* supposed to discuss these things > on this mailing list. > > Stop replying to this thread. > > Kushal From herlo1 at gmail.com Wed Oct 1 03:21:55 2008 From: herlo1 at gmail.com (Clint Savage) Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2008 21:21:55 -0600 Subject: [Ambassadors] FAMNA Meetings - Follow Guidelines Message-ID: I'll admit this right out of the gate. I'm causing more havoc than I should in meetings because I'm not following the meeting guidelines at https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/IRCHowTo#Protocol. I want to point this out because I want to do better. Some of the ambassadors do a great job of following the guidelines and I want to encourage us all to use these guidelines in next week's meeting. I hope this doesn't sound like I'm trying to enforce rules, for one, I have no authority to do so. These guidelines work well for other meetings in which I've participated and I think our meetings will be more focused if we follow them. As such, I plan to start using them immediately for any meeting I am a part. I hope others will follow my lead. Again, I apologize for not doing a better job up front. Cheers Clint From bpowell01 at gmail.com Wed Oct 1 03:28:15 2008 From: bpowell01 at gmail.com (Brian Powell) Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2008 23:28:15 -0400 Subject: [Ambassadors] FAmNA Meeting Minutes from 2008-09-30 Message-ID: <96365e610809302028p3d241e2fl1d6981f4c21ae34c@mail.gmail.com> 21:00-!- ke4qqq changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: NA Ambassadors meeting 21:01 * herlo is Clint Savage and is present 21:01-!- herlo changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: FAMNA Meeting - Roll Call!! 21:01< KarlieRobinson> KarlieRobinson 21:01 * ke4qqq is also present 21:01-!- inode0 [n=inode0 at fedora/inode0] has joined #fedora-meeting 21:02 * DemonJester BrianPowell 21:03-!- spoleeba [n=one at fedora/Jef] has joined #fedora-meeting 21:04< herlo> anyone else? rislam?? 21:04-!- rdieter [n=rdieter at ip68-110-20-4.om.om.cox.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 21:04 * ianweller lurks 21:05-!- vwbusguy [n=scott at fedora/vwbusguy] has joined #fedora-meeting 21:05< vwbusguy> here 21:05-!- crossbytes [n=crossbyt at fedora/crossbytes] has joined #fedora-meeting 21:06< ke4qqq> lets begin then 21:06< ke4qqq> who wants to post irc log? 21:06< DemonJester> ! 21:07< ke4qqq> DemonJester has it. 21:07< ke4qqq> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/Meetings/2008-09-30#Agenda 21:07< ke4qqq> Agenda ^^^ 21:08< ke4qqq> Alright - first up - lets talk about recruiting new contributors to Fedora 21:09< herlo> wasn't that what rislam wanted to discuss?? 21:09< ke4qqq> no, he wanted to talk about involving new ambassadors 21:09< herlo> oh 21:09< ke4qqq> I added this one 21:09 * herlo yields the floor 21:10< ke4qqq> Alright - well I'll just say what I am thinking.....and that is that we aren't doing enough to recruit new people 21:10< ke4qqq> to contribute 21:10< ke4qqq> in NA 21:11-!- rislam [i=rislam at 74.198.38.238] has joined #fedora-meeting 21:11< ke4qqq> So I'd like to hear what people see as problems with getting people 21:11< herlo> direction 21:11< ke4qqq> recruited 21:11< KarlieRobinson> I met a guy through OLPC wanting to know how to become an ambassador 21:11< ke4qqq> interesting - that's true.... 21:11< KarlieRobinson> he seemed to think that it was hard to become one 21:11< herlo> I don't know about you, but what direction are we giving people to become contributors 21:11< rislam> sorry for being late 21:11< rislam> RashadulIslam 21:11< ke4qqq> well not just that, but are we even trying to recruit 21:12 * ke4qqq yields the meeting to rislam 21:12< DemonJester> my first thought is lack of numbers and effort. 21:12< rislam> thx ke4qqq 21:12< ke4qqq> lack of numbers of what?? and what kind of effort. 21:12< ke4qqq> maybe the better question is how do we fix it. 21:13< DemonJester> effort/direction.. lack of active ambassadors 21:13< DemonJester> lets face it out of the number of NA Ambassadors I am not seeing much done except by a very small group. 21:13< rislam> DemonJester: we need a solution for this 21:13< herlo> ! 21:13< ke4qqq> herlo: 21:14< rislam> my proposal is : monthly report 21:14< herlo> so the thing I want to point out is that while we don't have a ton of what you say *active* ambassadors, we do have quite a few we don't actually know about 21:14 * herlo shies away from that word in bold 21:14< ke4qqq> +1 21:14< DemonJester> I would agree as well but how do we find them? 21:15< herlo> I've been watching over the past few months and am realizing that many of our contributors are already ambassadors... 21:15< herlo> not in the formal sense 21:15< vwbusguy> yeah 21:15< rislam> +1 herlo 21:15< DemonJester> I would expand that to the point of normal Fedora users to some extent as well. 21:15< rislam> specially in my region the number is not so many 21:15< ke4qqq> sure - but really I am concerned about the ones who are doing the work and how we get them to bring in others - the people who are the 'unsigned ambassadors' we have little control over. 21:15< herlo> which is something we could focus on, but getting more contributors in NA I think is somewhat limited by the fact that we don't have organized groups out there 21:16< herlo> I think about the Ubuntu Loco's for instance. 21:16< crossbytes> I think it would be helpful to have a wiki showing us new ambassadors what groups are available and where we can contribute 21:16< herlo> I'm not suggesting we go and make fugs either 21:16< vwbusguy> crossbytes, +1 21:16< ke4qqq> I'll take exception to that crossbytes 21:16< vwbusguy> herlo, no but maybe a list of helpful cinlugs 21:16< herlo> crossbytes: join.fedoraproject.org is that place 21:16< vwbusguy> sorry lugs 21:16< ke4qqq> no offence 21:17< ke4qqq> but I have no idea what's going on in your state 21:17< ke4qqq> I have a hard enough time finding out what's going on in my state 21:17< ke4qqq> (and it is hard) 21:17< ke4qqq> but you are actually on the ground there - (and I have no idea what state you are in) 21:17< vwbusguy> maybe that could be up to the regional ambassadors to look into 21:17< herlo> the thing I think we need to focus on is getting these 'non-formal ambassadors' to go to the LUGs/Events in their area with fedora gear 21:18< herlo> as well as the formal ambassadors 21:18< herlo> the question I have is, how? 21:18< vwbusguy> and Fedora media :) 21:18< herlo> gear = media, swag, etc. 21:18< ke4qqq> hmmmm the question I have is why would they be willing to do the extra work if they aren't willing to join the ambassadors. 21:18< ke4qqq> not saying they all aren't 21:18< herlo> a lot of the times, I think they are already there 21:18< KarlieRobinson> most volunteers need to be asked before they'll do something 21:18< rislam> we should concentrate about new Ambassadors 21:19< ke4qqq> KarlieRobinson: I agree 21:19< vwbusguy> I guess what woul dappeal to someone who is already advocating Fedora on their own to join ambassadors? 21:19< rislam> KarlieRobinson, explain ur fucus statement pls 21:19< ke4qqq> vwbusguy: in the old days it was media/swag/etc.....now I don't know 21:19< rislam> focus* 21:19< KarlieRobinson> It's the point where you know what needs to be done and you ask till you find someone who says yes 21:20< ke4qqq> at times that makes me question the purpose of our existence - til I see how EMEA runs things 21:20< KarlieRobinson> Our task list, with direct "can you help with this?" 21:20< ke4qqq> ok KarlieRobinson - so let me try this - 21:21< ke4qqq> if I asked you to take responsibility (either goto or get someone else to) each LUG/installfest etc in western NY would that work? 21:21< KarlieRobinson> You'd get me talking 21:21< DemonJester> and me as well.. 21:21< KarlieRobinson> it wouldn't mean I have the time to do it, but you could certainly ask 21:21< herlo> I don't think it would. But if you asked her, would you go to this *one* event coming up in 3 weeks, can you do that? 21:21-!- jyulliano [n=jyullian at 189.25.89.109] has joined #fedora-meeting 21:22< KarlieRobinson> That would be a better way to do it Herlo 21:22< herlo> and then at the next event ask again, and ask others too... 21:22< ke4qqq> herlo: that's the problem 21:22< herlo> what we need maybe is a 'Call to Action' campaign 21:22< rislam> + KarlieRobinson and DemonJester 21:22-!- tuanta [n=tuanta at 222.254.7.135] has joined #fedora-meeting 21:22< ke4qqq> I have found 3 events that were advertised nowhere - that no other distro showed up to 21:22< herlo> in other words, we 'Call to Action' those that could help for a specific event/meeting 21:22< rislam> So we need a better speaker ? 21:23< KarlieRobinson> The thing with volunteers is that you have to be conscious about the time they're giving while still meeting your needs 21:23< ke4qqq> how do I know that ohena falls ny is having an installfest 21:23< inode0> I suggested once such a thing to run along with release events - those without events give one talk somewhere about Fedora 21:23< ke4qqq> ? 21:23< herlo> inode0: but that's not the only way to help 21:23< herlo> I think that's part of the problem 21:23< herlo> we're back to focusing only on events 21:24< inode0> no, but I am not going to ask someone to go to a lug in San Antonio because I don't know of such a lug either 21:24< ke4qqq> right......but we aren't even doing events well imo 21:24< ke4qqq> except the large stuff like olf 21:24< KarlieRobinson> so we've got two problems 21:24< herlo> what about the folks in #fedora, there's a wealth of people trying to get it running and need help. Once they have it up, they could be an excellent resource 21:24< KarlieRobinson> events and people to go to events 21:25< herlo> getting people to go to *big* events is easy 21:25< rislam> but how to make people involve with Fedora? 21:25< herlo> its the small ones that drive people to contribute IMO. We have more time to spend with them 21:25< rislam> we can get lots of new people from events? 21:25< herlo> sure, but it's about percentages 21:25< inode0> people at the local level need to find the local opportunities 21:25< ke4qqq> I tend to think so - esp at the small events 21:26< ke4qqq> +1 inode0 21:26< KarlieRobinson> it's one thing to have people flock to you, but you have to have something for them to do so they'll stay engaged with the project 21:26< inode0> we can help them with how to approach those opportunities 21:26 * herlo wants a definition now of *small* when it comes to events 21:26< ke4qqq> 20 people 21:26< ke4qqq> 20-50 is small 21:26< ke4qqq> imo 21:26< herlo> < 100 21:27< ke4qqq> I agree - thats where I think that we need to then mentor or introduce new contributors. 21:27< herlo> but again, we need more than just *events* to pull contributors from, which is why I keep going back to #fedora 21:27< rislam> to me we should discuss about these areasa to get new contributors for fedora: 21:27< KarlieRobinson> but what will these new folks do? 21:28< ke4qqq> herlo - I agree with you, but at this point - we need to concentrate on one thing - we aren't doing that one thing well yet - spreading us even more thin doesn't help. 21:28< herlo> KarlieRobinson: join.fedoraproject.org has a good list 21:28< ke4qqq> KarlieRobinson: so I have been recruiting in the past few weeks 21:28< ke4qqq> and asking specifically for Docs and OLPC - (because I know those areas) 21:28< ke4qqq> and then I introduce the new contribs 21:28< ke4qqq> to people like quaid 21:28< ke4qqq> who then gives them work 21:28< KarlieRobinson> so should we have a best practices sort of thing 21:29< rislam> +1 ke4qqq 21:29< herlo> +1 ke4qqq 21:29< herlo> I see the light here now 21:29< ke4qqq> and quaid despises me because I keep bringing him newbs to train :) j/k 21:29< herlo> we need a list of people and tasks 21:29< herlo> much like Seneca college asked for 21:29< rislam> we can easily find people who wants to help Fedora in specific area 21:29< ke4qqq> yes! 21:29< rislam> + herlo 21:29 * herlo tries to find that list 21:30< KarlieRobinson> again, best practices - senaca does it well, EMEA does things well, how can we use that to our advantage? To climb the learning curve 21:30< ke4qqq> so Karlie - would you be interested in writing that up for us? 21:31< herlo> http://zenit.senecac.on.ca/wiki/index.php/Project_List 21:31< ke4qqq> I agree seneca and emea do a fabulous job 21:31< ke4qqq> I mean look at what's going on in hungary right now 21:31< herlo> ke4qqq: lol 21:31< herlo> you gave KarlieRobinson a job :) 21:31< ke4qqq> while we want to go to events and hand out media (which is good) 21:31< KarlieRobinson> Well what about a simple Help wanted? 21:31< ke4qqq> :) 21:31< inode0> so we say emea does a fabulous job - who are they recruiting and how? 21:31< herlo> KarlieRobinson: that requires jobs, well defined jobs 21:31< ke4qqq> yes 21:32< herlo> or at least projects, well defined projects 21:32< ke4qqq> which requires that we know whats going on in the project 21:32< KarlieRobinson> I know she who shares it chairs it and all, but lets not get too hasty 21:32< ke4qqq> so I know that docs needs a newbs guide to filing bugs in bz.... 21:32< herlo> and Paul's latest passion, Triage 21:32< ke4qqq> yes 21:33< KarlieRobinson> So let's define what needs help so we know what type of people we need to find. 21:33< rislam> we need all kind of people 21:33< KarlieRobinson> but that's too broad 21:33< herlo> rislam: sure, but yeah 21:33< rislam> importantly, active people 21:33< herlo> what KarlieRobinson said 21:33< KarlieRobinson> we need to know who we're looking for 21:33< ke4qqq> everything needs help - lol.....but yes - we need to talk to the sub-project owners.....and see what NEWB work they need 21:34< herlo> rislam: avoiding the word active is something we really should do 21:34< herlo> its a long story, but trust me, you don't want to go there 21:34< ke4qqq> yes - we need that to become a kickban word 21:34< herlo> well 21:34< herlo> I wouldn't go that far 21:34< KarlieRobinson> I did distaster services with the American red cross for a long time 21:34< rislam> ok herlo, thx 21:34< herlo> distaster :) 21:34< KarlieRobinson> the point with voluntters, is that sometimes you have more than you can deal with and other times not enought 21:34< herlo> true 21:34< KarlieRobinson> let a woman type ok? 21:34< herlo> :) sorry 21:35< DemonJester> lol 21:35< KarlieRobinson> when you have something big you get folks who must be carefully selected for a job 21:35< rislam> KarlieRobinson: what about Women in Fedora 21:35< rislam> ? 21:35< KarlieRobinson> anyone can operate a fork, but not everyone should be part of a feeding station 21:36< KarlieRobinson> Fedora women is around sorta, but I haven't had much time to devote to it 21:36< KarlieRobinson> you must remember that I work with over 50 Linux projects 21:36< KarlieRobinson> and Now OLPC 21:36< rislam> another is: you ask to everyone, what kind of contributor you need/ 21:36< KarlieRobinson> yes 21:37< KarlieRobinson> now you're getting it 21:37< KarlieRobinson> almost like a job description 21:37< herlo> ! 21:37< ke4qqq> so what action items can we take from this? 21:37< herlo> pointing back to what I said before 21:37< herlo> the stuff that seneca college has listed 21:38< DemonJester> a defined project requirements document. 21:38< herlo> is a good start for us, the join.fedoraproject.org page also gives us a direction 21:38-!- bpepple_ [n=bpepple|@adsl-75-49-22-0.dsl.wotnoh.sbcglobal.net] has quit ["Ex-Chat"] 21:38< herlo> so we need to take those two resources and any other good resources we can find and make a list of positions within Fedora that people can contribute to in short-order 21:38< herlo> +1 DemonJester 21:38< ke4qqq> quaid has spent a good bit of time setting up tasks for newbs.....so we need to review that and then ask others 21:39< ke4qqq> and look at what other groups take to join 21:39< herlo> ke4qqq: link?? 21:39< herlo> ooh, and another thing, Ambassadors are mentors. 21:39< ke4qqq> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs_Project_content_tasks_for_new_contributors 21:39< ke4qqq> yes 21:39< ke4qqq> so don't drop them off after the fas account creation 21:39< herlo> we're here to help new contributors get started. Point them in the right direction and help them along the way 21:39< ke4qqq> follow up with people 21:40< herlo> once we see real contributions, it's not the end of the road 21:40< inode0> followup, does anyone know how emea is attacking the recruitment issue? 21:40< herlo> this, however, doesn't mean we need to know how to create art, or build rpms. It just means we need to know some people in those areas and help new contributors get there 21:41< herlo> inode0: nope, we should consider inviting emea to one of our meetings 21:41< ke4qqq> also another good newb task is triaging, and poelcat and jlaskas presentation is great - everyone should read it - just so you know what the new people will have to do to get involved. 21:41< KarlieRobinson> +1 herlo 21:41< herlo> we'd have to change the time for the meeting once though 21:41< ke4qqq> no, but we ought to know what's required to get involved 21:41< ke4qqq> and the people in the project 21:41 * inode0 thinks we should have a time convenient to emea to have a friendly chat about tactics 21:41< ke4qqq> so if it's art, we should know nicu and mizmo. 21:42< herlo> ke4qqq: right on 21:42< ke4qqq> inode0: look at the recent traffic about hungary on the list. 21:42-!- jyulliano [n=jyullian at 189.25.89.109] has quit ["Saindo"] 21:42< ke4qqq> alright - so lets invite a project a week to join us - how about art next week? let them tell us a 10 minute synopsis about getting involved 21:43< rislam> +1 ke4qqq 21:43< inode0> great idea 21:43< KarlieRobinson> +1 21:43< herlo> +1 ke4qqq 21:43< DemonJester> +1 21:43< herlo> should we do that every week for a while? 21:43< rislam> lets see what they want 21:43< ke4qqq> yes! 21:43< herlo> different groups 21:43< inode0> yes 21:43 * herlo will get docs lined up for late October then 21:43< herlo> let's build a schedule too 21:43< inode0> this would be very helpful to me I know 21:43< ke4qqq> ok, I'll take on art 21:43< herlo> I'll take tha ton 21:43< ke4qqq> yep 21:43 * herlo is assigned a schedule 21:43< ke4qqq> then triaging/QA thereafter? 21:43< rislam> this helps me a lot too 21:44< herlo> rislam: I should point out that you are the taskmaster this week 21:44< inode0> i can arrange triage 21:44< ke4qqq> don't let that stop you from talking to these people in irc though 21:44< herlo> rislam: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/NA/Tasks 21:44< ke4qqq> and asking questions 21:44< rislam> i am ready for that herlo 21:44< herlo> :) 21:44< crossbytes> this will help alot with my current "school" project 21:45< rislam> but you all help me to finalize the task 21:45< herlo> rislam: just add it on the tasks page and we'll help 21:46< herlo> crossbytes: how so? 21:46 * herlo is intrigued 21:46< crossbytes> being able to use the knowledge of the art meetings 21:46< herlo> :) 21:47< crossbytes> when it comes to meeting with school administrators 21:47< crossbytes> and getting Fedora in the school system here in WA 21:47< DemonJester> I can arrange QA / Release Rawhide Testing when needed in the future 21:47-!- lcafiero [n=larry at adsl-99-163-5-114.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has joined #fedora-meeting 21:48 * lcafiero apologizes for being so late and blames F10 Alpha not playing nice with his wireless card 21:49 * DemonJester reminds lcafiero that F10 Beta is out now.. ;-) 21:49< herlo> okay, rislam should we move on? 21:49< inode0> I will also volunteer to try to arrange a conference with emea ambassadors 21:49-!- herlo changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: Agenda is located at https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/Meetings/2008-09-30 21:50-!- herlo changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: FAMNA Meeting - Agenda is located at https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/Meetings/2008-09-30 21:50< rislam> give me 1 min pls 21:51< inode0> time's up 21:52< rislam> yes please move on 21:52< ke4qqq> rislam: you are leading the meeting 21:52< herlo> rislam: you are running ht show 21:52 * inode0 was kidding 21:52-!- lajjr [n=lajjr at pool-71-181-174-230.sctnpa.east.verizon.net] has joined #fedora-meeting 21:52< herlo> we can wait a bit more if you need 21:52< rislam> Topic 2 is : Involving New Ambassadors to enrich the Fedora Community 21:52 * DemonJester hears Jeopardy music playing in background 21:53 * herlo asks if that isn't the same basic topic 21:53< KarlieRobinson> +1 herlo 21:53< herlo> or if it is different, how... 21:53< rislam> not the same basic topic 21:54< rislam> but yes it is in some way 21:54< rislam> i need to propose few things before i start 21:55< rislam> can I? 21:55< inode0> sure 21:56< rislam> a) we should invite all the Engineering association to all university to make a group for Fedora and Give them a task 21:56< rislam> b) Everyone must need to attend a conference to give a short speech about Fedora and how to join 21:57< rislam> c) Manage monthly Report and send it to the root of all ambassador 21:58< rislam> d) Let people find what is the interest of Fedora and what side they like to work 21:58< rislam> thts it 21:59< DemonJester> ! 21:59< herlo> a and b are not feasible, but I really like c. d interests me, but I think that's because it is what we are already trying to do 21:59< rislam> these few are the best way to get new people and exactly for specific side of Fedora 21:59< lajjr> Am I allowed to say something? 21:59< inode0> I think (a) is very interesting 22:00< rislam> yes please lajjr 22:00< inode0> Maybe a Fedora sponsored engineering contest of some sort?! 22:00< herlo> anyone can speak up 22:00< lajjr> Well after talking to alot of student and teachers locally I find that they a intrested in more than one.. 22:00< DemonJester> careful we dont step on Red Hat's efforts with that though 22:01 * inode0 not concerned that much about Red Hat toes at the moment 22:01< ke4qqq> don't worry about RH - results are what matter - come away with results and don't hide what you are doing and no one will say anything 22:01< herlo> ! 22:01< lajjr> are they in fact in enter into more than one.. 22:01< ke4qqq> or if they do they will applaud you 22:01< rislam> +1 inode0, the idea was great 22:02< herlo> I'm concerned about a) in that it came across to me as inviting Fedora Engineering to appear at a university 22:02< herlo> if that's not what its purpose is, please clarify 22:02< inode0> well, I was thinking of it more as some direct attempt to engage more engineering groups at universities 22:02< herlo> I liek that idea better 22:03< rislam> i make it little more clear 22:03< rislam> marketting side to all the universities have a list of to do 22:03< rislam> the purpose of these are to make the university more high ranked 22:04< rislam> we can use that through the Engineering Association 22:04< herlo> ! 22:04< herlo> I think that goes back to our point in the previous conversation about contributors, and I agree 22:05< herlo> rislam: do you disagree? 22:05< rislam> as Fedora is free and big community, they wants to include themselves with it 22:05< herlo> no argument 22:05< rislam> +1 herlo 22:06< herlo> that's much clearer and while I think it is a great goal, it fits better with the 'contributor' more than the 'ambassador' 22:06< DemonJester> I agree 22:06< herlo> as far as b) goes, my opinion is that its completely infeasible. 22:07< herlo> while its nice to get peopel to go to conferences, not everyone can afford it, either in cost or in time 22:07< DemonJester> not to mention will keep intraverted people from even thinking about it 22:07< herlo> +1 22:07< crossbytes> +1 22:07< rislam> +1 22:07< herlo> c) is in the works, and I like the idea here 22:07< herlo> maybe we should expand it to be more than just events 22:07< rislam> +1 herlo 22:07< herlo> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/NA/EventTracking 22:08< herlo> it's not great yet, I need a better model here 22:08< rislam> b) is easy to handle because of the regional leader 22:08 * herlo disagrees 22:08< lajjr> I consider myself both..contributor and an ambassador... 22:08< herlo> there is no way everyone can attend a conference that is an ambassador, nor willthey 22:08< herlo> lajjr: right, all of us should 22:09 * herlo points directly at Southern_Gentlem as a great example 22:09< inode0> ambassadors shouldn't be required to give presentations at events, encouraged, but not required I don't think 22:09< herlo> he's a great contributor 22:09< herlo> in #fedora 22:09< lajjr> I have event can I add it to https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/NA/EventTracking 22:09< ke4qqq> yes - you should be involved in something more than ambassadors IMHO 22:09< herlo> and while he comes to FUDCon and other events, he clearly prefers to be an ambassador in #fedora 22:09< rislam> we should make certain rules for that, but we should encourage them in all possible ways 22:09< herlo> which I think we all shoudl participate too 22:10< herlo> +1 rislam 22:10< ke4qqq> lajjr: please yes- what's important is what's after the fact. 22:10< herlo> lajjr: +1 22:10< ke4qqq> also add to /Events 22:10-!- tuanta [n=tuanta at 222.254.7.135] has left #fedora-meeting [] 22:10< rislam> +1 ke4qqq 22:10< herlo> EventTracking is for after the event is over 22:10< herlo> Event is before/during 22:10< lajjr> ok. 22:11< herlo> rislam: do you think we have a good start on your topic? 22:11< rislam> yes herlo 22:11< inode0> art seems to me another possible area for an organized contest among university students 22:11< herlo> :) 22:11< herlo> inode0: agreed 22:11< rislam> +1 inode0 22:12< rislam> and it costs not too much 22:12 * inode0 will bounce the idea off mizmo 22:13< inode0> and a few engineers to see what they think 22:13< herlo> can we move to the next topic? 22:14 * herlo looks at his watch (aka known as the clock on gnome) 22:14< inode0> we better 22:14< herlo> pcalarco isn't here ?? 22:14< ke4qqq> he sent an update 22:14< rislam> so, you all want me to send a proposal for Fedora to all the universities in Canada 22:15< ke4qqq> rislam: send it to the list for more discussion I think 22:15< herlo> rislam: let's meet again next week or discuss in the ml 22:15< ke4qqq> get the benefit of the people (esp educators) there 22:15< herlo> start a draft 22:15< rislam> ok 22:15< ke4qqq> +1 herlo 22:15< rislam> +1 herlo 22:15 * herlo is building his karma 22:15< ke4qqq> lol 22:16< ke4qqq> anyone know santosh kumar? 22:16< ke4qqq> if so tell him to ping pascal 22:16< ke4qqq> otherwise lets leave the polo item 22:16< herlo> is this the idle discussion while we wait for rislam to move topics :) 22:16< herlo> oh 22:17< ke4qqq> yes 22:17< rislam> thx ke4qqq to help me 22:17< ke4qqq> and skip over one 22:17< rislam> Topic 3) Update on Ambassador polos, round II 22:17< inode0> does anyone know the status? have they been shipped? 22:18< DemonJester> yes they were shipped 22:18< ke4qqq> they have shipped with the exception of Santosh Kumar 22:18< herlo> pcalarco sent an update, I remember seeing it in the email 22:18< inode0> ok, what is next? 22:19< rislam> topic 4) FADNA @ OLF 22:19 * herlo slaps ke4qqq around a little for failing 22:19< herlo> :-D with a killer whale named hugh 22:19 * inode0 was billed for buttons but still no sign of them 22:20< herlo> inode0: from purebuttons.com? 22:20< inode0> yes 22:20< herlo> they'll come 22:20< ke4qqq> shirts? 22:20< herlo> I'd like to point out that we now have a budget 22:21< herlo> I worked a little on the shirts today, but I am not a great designre 22:21< herlo> I can order them, but designing takes longer. I'm going to bug ianweller and tell him I need his help 22:21< ke4qqq> can a lurker such as ianweller help any? :) 22:21< herlo> lol 22:21< ianweller> whuuuut 22:21< rislam> :) 22:22< inode0> ianweller can splash Fedora on a t-shirt better than most 22:22< ke4qqq> tell him we'll give him one if she designs for us 22:22< ke4qqq> s/she/he 22:22< herlo> lol 22:22< inode0> can we have the splatter on the back? :) 22:22< herlo> freudian slip if I've every seen one 22:22< rislam> speak carefully because all the ambassadors read it on their email 22:22< rislam> :) 22:22< herlo> :) 22:23< herlo> ianweller can take it 22:23< ke4qqq> ok, add that task to him 22:23< herlo> we think he's great! 22:23< ke4qqq> FADpub- have the poeple on the ground suggested a location? 22:23< ianweller> whuuuut 22:23< herlo> I'll do a little more work tonight, and see if I can't get something decent designed. If not, I'll chase down ianweller 22:23< herlo> ke4qqq: I did suggest that we move it to Friday night 22:24< rislam> ke4qqq please add the task 22:24< ke4qqq> rislam: k 22:24 * ianweller takes out some curly braces from some wiki templates and throws them at herlo 22:24< rislam> thx 22:24< herlo> ianweller: rofl 22:25< rislam> +1 ianweller 22:25< ianweller> the wiki doesn't need them 22:25 * ianweller watches template contents spill out on my keyboard 22:25< ianweller> whoops 22:25< herlo> okay, so we've been awarded $500 budget 22:25< herlo> but we have to submit receipts and get reimbursed 22:26< rislam> thx spevack 22:26< herlo> we have $160 for the room (fail on ke4qqq for not reserving today) at the Holiday Inn Express in Grove City for Sunday 22:26< inode0> yes, thank you spevack 22:26< herlo> FADNA will pick up Breakfast (probably) on Sunday and possibly lunch 22:26 * ke4qqq will do that before I get breakfast tomorrow 22:26< herlo> we'll have t-shirts (likely) 22:26< herlo> so let me calculate that 22:26< ke4qqq> ianweller: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/NA/Tasks#Assigned_Tasks 22:26< herlo> $160 - room 22:27< herlo> ~$100 - food 22:27< herlo> (breakfast only) 22:27< herlo> ~$150 - shirts 22:27< herlo> that's $410 22:27< herlo> leaving a little for FADPub 22:27< herlo> possibly 22:27< herlo> thoughts? 22:27< ke4qqq> and no lunch 22:27< herlo> well, or lunch 22:28< inode0> prefers lunch to breakfast 22:28< herlo> how many people are coming? 22:28< ke4qqq> me too 22:28< DemonJester> agrees 22:28< herlo> 8 I think last count 22:28 * ke4qqq is coming 22:28 * inode0 doesn't generally eat breakfast 22:28 * herlo is fine with making people pay for breakfast then and buying lunch a bit early 22:28< inode0> breakfast at noon or 5pm is ok though :) 22:28< herlo> but lunch is usually more costly... 22:28< herlo> ~$150 22:29< herlo> either way, I think we'll still be fine 22:29< rislam> Try to keep some change in case of emergency 22:29< ke4qqq> anything else on budget? 22:29< herlo> can't think of anything 22:29< herlo> anyone else? 22:29< rislam> Can we move on? 22:29< ke4qqq> lets talk about who is doing what to get remote people involved 22:29< ke4qqq> one second please rislam 22:30< ke4qqq> herlo - can we use utoscs icecast server? 22:30-!- LetoTo [n=paul at 76-10-173-74.dsl.teksavvy.com] has quit ["Leaving."] 22:30< herlo> ke4qqq: sure 22:30< ke4qqq> for audio 22:30< herlo> not an issue at all 22:30< ke4qqq> or perhaps we can do asterisk conference 22:30< ke4qqq> that's two way 22:30< herlo> I have everything needed to configure it 22:30< herlo> asterisk is doable too, we need to talk with jsmith 22:30< DemonJester> you have video inputs on the icecast server? 22:30< herlo> nope 22:30< ke4qqq> who wants to talk to jsmith? 22:30< herlo> but it can do that 22:30< herlo> ke4qqq: I can 22:31< ke4qqq> ok 22:31< herlo> DemonJester: icecast would just stream an ogg file, so if its video it will work 22:31 * herlo asks for a task on that 22:31< DemonJester> I am talking about a capture card for live streaming 22:31 * ke4qqq working on it 22:31< herlo> DemonJester: nope don't have one in my lappy 22:32< herlo> I'll be flying and won't be bringing any pc's with me 22:32< ke4qqq> whatabout a webcam 22:33< ke4qqq> ? 22:33< herlo> I have on eof those 22:33< ke4qqq> can we use that? 22:33< ke4qqq> to then encode and stream? 22:33< herlo> nope 22:33< ke4qqq> ohhhwell 22:34< herlo> not unless you know how to make istanbul record audio better with gstreamer 22:34< ke4qqq> audio will have to do then 22:34< herlo> its just too much of a challenge in a short amount of time 22:34< ke4qqq> I agree 22:34< ke4qqq> there's already plenty to do 22:34< ke4qqq> anything else? 22:34< herlo> audio is generally good enough though I know most people would like to see stuff 22:35< ke4qqq> yep 22:35< DemonJester> could we use a meeting room on Fedora Talk? 22:36< herlo> maybe 22:36 * herlo has never tested that 22:36< herlo> that's why jsmith will be involved 22:36< herlo> he'll help me get it set up if its doable 22:36< ke4qqq> see if we can get a sip phone with speaker to carry if possible 22:36< ke4qqq> even if we only borrow it 22:36< herlo> sure 22:36< herlo> I'll ask 22:37< herlo> is that it ?? 22:37< herlo> rislam: what say ye? 22:37< rislam> topic 5) Any other business 22:38 * inode0 points new business to next week 22:38< herlo> +1 22:38< rislam> please add it on next week's agenda 22:39-!- Evil_Sonar_Chick [n=Andrea at fedora/SonarGal] has quit ["Leaving"] 22:39< rislam> Can we adjourn the meeting 22:39< herlo> count it down 22:40< rislam> eof -- Regards, BrianPowell http://fedoraproject.org From larry.cafiero at gmail.com Wed Oct 1 03:28:39 2008 From: larry.cafiero at gmail.com (Larry Cafiero) Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2008 20:28:39 -0700 Subject: [Ambassadors] FAMNA Meetings - Follow Guidelines In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <7a0d56080809302028k19bd69feha4da38f867383aeb@mail.gmail.com> +1 On Tue, Sep 30, 2008 at 8:21 PM, Clint Savage wrote: > I'll admit this right out of the gate. I'm causing more havoc than I > should in meetings because I'm not following the meeting guidelines at > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/IRCHowTo#Protocol. > > I want to point this out because I want to do better. Some of the > ambassadors do a great job of following the guidelines and I want to > encourage us all to use these guidelines in next week's meeting. > > I hope this doesn't sound like I'm trying to enforce rules, for one, I > have no authority to do so. These guidelines work well for other > meetings in which I've participated and I think our meetings will be > more focused if we follow them. > > As such, I plan to start using them immediately for any meeting I am a > part. I hope others will follow my lead. Again, I apologize for not > doing a better job up front. > > Cheers > > Clint > > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > From bpowell01 at gmail.com Wed Oct 1 03:31:22 2008 From: bpowell01 at gmail.com (Brian Powell) Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2008 23:31:22 -0400 Subject: [Ambassadors] FAmNA Meeting Summary from 2008-09-30 Message-ID: <96365e610809302031g4287fcbdr76bcf95b646ebbc6@mail.gmail.com> Rashadul Islam led the meeting. * Lengthy discussion regarding recruiting new contributors for Fedora. Out of this discussion a suggestion was made to invite members of the various projects within Fedora to briefly discuss their project as well as what there current needs are in the realm of new contributors to the Fedora Ambassadors so we can better understand what they do and how to help them. Next week a member of the Art Team will be invited. * Current status of tasks - Ambassador Polo's second Round orders have shipped with the exception of Santosh Kumar. If you are or know this Ambassador please have him contact pascal with his shipping address. - FADNA2008 Updates. Discussions about actively including remote users who are not able to attend. Currently audio only due to time constraints. Other discussions were about some swag for the event, food and activities. Thanks to all the participants@ -- Regards, BrianPowell http://fedoraproject.org From tushar.neupaney at gmail.com Wed Oct 1 03:50:50 2008 From: tushar.neupaney at gmail.com (Tushar Neupaney) Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 09:35:50 +0545 Subject: [Ambassadors] Re: Recieved Fedora 9 CD's - Thankyou !! In-Reply-To: <8140ab7e0809300732h34aaa4afp65f6dc238e74ee15@mail.gmail.com> References: <8140ab7e0809300732h34aaa4afp65f6dc238e74ee15@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Great. Hope this will help you and your community. Let Open Source Live .... 2008/9/30 rajan vaish > Hi Tushar,I received the CD set today .Thanks for the same..Really > appreciate your help..Thanks ! > Rajan > 091 - 923 550 3181 > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From coldfire.hx at gmail.com Wed Oct 1 05:00:16 2008 From: coldfire.hx at gmail.com (Jay Bhatt) Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 10:30:16 +0530 Subject: [Ambassadors] About the DVD's Message-ID: <240999550809302200j5bc647fcud01d1f0ed955242f@mail.gmail.com> Hi friends. I have asked for some help with DVD's which i want to distribute about 300 DVD's among more then 5 collages and universities. Still now there is no reply from any one and no one is showing interest in this. If any body is out there who can help me then please contact +919714113007 (Jay). I dont need all DVD's from one person but if you can contribute just 5 r 10 that's even enough. Im trying to manage some of them by my self and im goign to able to manage 100 or 150 by my self but there are still a lot remaing. So i ask for your help once again. Thanking You Jay Bhatt -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From foss.mailinglists at gmail.com Wed Oct 1 05:04:06 2008 From: foss.mailinglists at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?B?IlNhbmthcnNoYW4gKOCmuOCmmeCnjeCmleCmsOCnjeCmt+Cmoyki?=) Date: Wed, 01 Oct 2008 10:34:06 +0530 Subject: [Ambassadors] About the DVD's In-Reply-To: <240999550809302200j5bc647fcud01d1f0ed955242f@mail.gmail.com> References: <240999550809302200j5bc647fcud01d1f0ed955242f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <48E304C6.8010907@gmail.com> Jay Bhatt wrote: > Still now there is no reply from any one and no one is showing interest > in this. If any body is out there who can help me then please contact > +919714113007 (Jay). Before we all get on to another mailstorm on DVDs, Jay can you take time to read the thread off the URL https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-ambassadors-list/2008-September/msg00519.html -- http://www.gutenberg.net - Fine literature digitally re-published http://www.plos.org - Public Library of Science http://www.creativecommons.org - Flexible copyright for creative work From electromech at electromech.info Wed Oct 1 05:23:44 2008 From: electromech at electromech.info (ElectroMech) Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 10:53:44 +0530 Subject: [Ambassadors] About the DVD's In-Reply-To: <240999550809302200j5bc647fcud01d1f0ed955242f@mail.gmail.com> References: <240999550809302200j5bc647fcud01d1f0ed955242f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <24233aca0809302223o48ad5bb0n9e4296be1d333485@mail.gmail.com> Hi, I think we talk personally and we are ready to provide it. You can collect it on monday or tuesday. Or when ever you required the qty , contact us. We are in same CT ahmedabad. 2008/10/1 Jay Bhatt > Hi friends. > > I have asked for some help with DVD's which i want to distribute about 300 > DVD's among more then 5 collages and universities. > > Still now there is no reply from any one and no one is showing interest in > this. If any body is out there who can help me then please contact > +919714113007 (Jay). > > I dont need all DVD's from one person but if you can contribute just 5 r 10 > that's even enough. Im trying to manage some of them by my self and im goign > to able to manage 100 or 150 by my self but there are still a lot remaing. > So i ask for your help once again. > > > Thanking You > Jay Bhatt > > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > > -- -- Nilesh Vaghela ElectroMech Redhat Channel Partner and Training Partner 16, Sun Rise complex, Nr. Mansi cross Road, Satellite Rd, Ahmedabad 25, The Emperor, Fatehgunj, Baroda. www.electromech.info -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mahayalamkhan at gmail.com Wed Oct 1 07:17:36 2008 From: mahayalamkhan at gmail.com (mak) Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 13:17:36 +0600 Subject: [Ambassadors] F10 Release Party Bangladesh - Budget Preview Message-ID: Dear List, It's our Eid holiday (like Christmas) is going on. I was busy arranging/buying gifts for my family and was unable to send my F10 Release Party Budget preview withing the given time frame. Though I'm sending this in this hope, if FAmSCO considers my event since I had arranged a successful F9 release party and have enlisted my event (in the wiki) prior to Q3 Budget draft. Just a recap of F9 Release party, we had more than 60 enthusiast joined the party. We had distributed DVD, had live USB stick creation station, had 3 talks/presentation, QA, had soft-drinks only without any snacks. Printed Digital banners and have had sent event report to this list. This time we are expecting approx. 100 Fedora lovers. The venue is in midst of two universities (Dhaka university and Bangladesh University of Engineering and Technology) which will definitely attract more presence, and moreover the venue is free of cost (as Francesco Ugolini suggested). We are thinking of 100 T-Shirts, which would cost 2 US$ if made locally. The draft budget preview: Banner / Flyer / Sticker - 50 US$ Blank DVD for burning (100 pcs) - 50 US$ T-Shirt (100 pcs) - 200 US$ Drink / Snacks (1 US$ per head) - 100 US$ The total would be around within 400 US$ approx. -- ================================= Regards Mahay Alam Khan gpg key: 4FDD30FB General Secretary - Ankur ICT Development Foundation http://www.ankur.org.bd Founder Member - Bangladesh Open Source Network http://www.bdosn.org OpenOffice.org MarCon Bangladesh Fedora Ambassador Bangladesh ================================= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From sparshme5 at gmail.com Wed Oct 1 09:32:50 2008 From: sparshme5 at gmail.com (gaurav taywade) Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 15:02:50 +0530 Subject: [Ambassadors] About the DVD's In-Reply-To: <240999550809302200j5bc647fcud01d1f0ed955242f@mail.gmail.com> References: <240999550809302200j5bc647fcud01d1f0ed955242f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: hi, jay plz specify u r address i will send 5-10 dvds of fedora 9 and i have pre-release of fedora 10 i will send one dvd of that also. thnx 2008/10/1 Jay Bhatt > Hi friends. > > I have asked for some help with DVD's which i want to distribute about 300 > DVD's among more then 5 collages and universities. > > Still now there is no reply from any one and no one is showing interest in > this. If any body is out there who can help me then please contact > +919714113007 (Jay). > > I dont need all DVD's from one person but if you can contribute just 5 r 10 > that's even enough. Im trying to manage some of them by my self and im goign > to able to manage 100 or 150 by my self but there are still a lot remaing. > So i ask for your help once again. > > > Thanking You > Jay Bhatt > > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > > -- Gaurav Taywade +99606-20260 Regd. Linux User : #412097 Secondary mail:sparshme5 at rediffmail.com Web:- http://sparshme5.googlepages.com http://ambanagari.googlepages.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From sparshme5 at gmail.com Wed Oct 1 09:34:50 2008 From: sparshme5 at gmail.com (gaurav taywade) Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 15:04:50 +0530 Subject: [Ambassadors] About the DVD's In-Reply-To: References: <240999550809302200j5bc647fcud01d1f0ed955242f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Jay i suggest you to contact with Mr. nilesh of electromech,he can surely help you in this problem otherwise i will send DVDS to u. On Wed, Oct 1, 2008 at 3:02 PM, gaurav taywade wrote: > hi, jay plz specify u r address i will send 5-10 dvds of fedora 9 and i > have pre-release of fedora 10 i will send one dvd of that also. > > thnx > > 2008/10/1 Jay Bhatt > >> Hi friends. >> >> I have asked for some help with DVD's which i want to distribute about 300 >> DVD's among more then 5 collages and universities. >> >> Still now there is no reply from any one and no one is showing interest in >> this. If any body is out there who can help me then please contact >> +919714113007 (Jay). >> >> I dont need all DVD's from one person but if you can contribute just 5 r >> 10 that's even enough. Im trying to manage some of them by my self and im >> goign to able to manage 100 or 150 by my self but there are still a lot >> remaing. So i ask for your help once again. >> >> >> Thanking You >> Jay Bhatt >> >> -- >> Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list >> Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list >> >> > > > -- > Gaurav Taywade > +99606-20260 > Regd. Linux User : #412097 > Secondary mail:sparshme5 at rediffmail.com > Web:- http://sparshme5.googlepages.com > http://ambanagari.googlepages.com > -- Gaurav Taywade +99606-20260 Regd. 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Some of the > ambassadors do a great job of following the guidelines and I want to > encourage us all to use these guidelines in next week's meeting. Following guidelines and formalities is great if it facilitates a more effective meeting, otherwise they are cumbersome and frankly disruptive. For a meeting with 5 or 6 people I think they tend to just be an annoyance. For a meeting with 20 people they are much more important to the meeting running smoothly. > I hope this doesn't sound like I'm trying to enforce rules, for one, I > have no authority to do so. These guidelines work well for other > meetings in which I've participated and I think our meetings will be > more focused if we follow them. Our meeting can have more focus if the moderator keeps things moving in a directed way. Since most of us helping out with moderation are new to that role at meetings I think if we prepared ourselves a bit better prior to the meeting that would help too. > As such, I plan to start using them immediately for any meeting I am a > part. I hope others will follow my lead. Again, I apologize for not > doing a better job up front. I'll have to think about whether I want to do this, for meetings with a small number of participants I don't think it is necessary and gets in the way of communication. My natural inclination is to err on the side of informality until there is a problem with that approach. John From fugolini at fedoraproject.org Wed Oct 1 14:35:53 2008 From: fugolini at fedoraproject.org (Francesco Ugolini) Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 16:35:53 +0200 Subject: [Ambassadors] FAMNA Meetings - Follow Guidelines In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: 2008/10/1 Clint Savage : > As such, I plan to start using them immediately for any meeting I am a > part. I hope others will follow my lead. Again, I apologize for not > doing a better job up front. Your idea sounds good. It seems could help leading better a meeting, so I'll take in consideration for my own meeting soon. Regards Francesco Ugolini From bpowell01 at gmail.com Wed Oct 1 15:24:52 2008 From: bpowell01 at gmail.com (Brian Powell) Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 11:24:52 -0400 Subject: [Ambassadors] FAMNA Meetings - Follow Guidelines In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <96365e610810010824k69161c4fk26711bd8e4e6d4eb@mail.gmail.com> On Wed, Oct 1, 2008 at 10:35 AM, Francesco Ugolini wrote: > 2008/10/1 Clint Savage : >> As such, I plan to start using them immediately for any meeting I am a >> part. I hope others will follow my lead. Again, I apologize for not >> doing a better job up front. > > Your idea sounds good. It seems could help leading better a meeting, > so I'll take in consideration for my own meeting soon. > > Regards > > Francesco Ugolini > > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > I think even though our numbers attending meetings may be small, following the guidelines will be helpful especially since we are inviting members of the other projects within Fedora to join us in the next coming weeks whom may be used to this already within their own meetings, this will allow them to discuss there agenda quickly without being interrupted and answer questions in an orderly fashion so we are not taking up too much of their time. -- Regards, BrianPowell http://fedoraproject.org From inode0 at gmail.com Wed Oct 1 15:27:56 2008 From: inode0 at gmail.com (inode0) Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 10:27:56 -0500 Subject: [Ambassadors] FAMNA Meetings - Follow Guidelines In-Reply-To: <96365e610810010824k69161c4fk26711bd8e4e6d4eb@mail.gmail.com> References: <96365e610810010824k69161c4fk26711bd8e4e6d4eb@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Wed, Oct 1, 2008 at 10:24 AM, Brian Powell wrote: > I think even though our numbers attending meetings may be small, > following the guidelines will be helpful especially since we are > inviting members of the other projects within Fedora to join us in the > next coming weeks whom may be used to this already within their own > meetings, this will allow them to discuss there agenda quickly without > being interrupted and answer questions in an orderly fashion so we are > not taking up too much of their time. This assumes that the person leading the meeting handles all the ?'s and !'s in an appropriate manner. Since I have not presided over meetings run this way before that would be a big assumption in my case. :) John From bpowell01 at gmail.com Wed Oct 1 15:35:46 2008 From: bpowell01 at gmail.com (Brian Powell) Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 11:35:46 -0400 Subject: [Ambassadors] FAMNA Meetings - Follow Guidelines In-Reply-To: References: <96365e610810010824k69161c4fk26711bd8e4e6d4eb@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <96365e610810010835y7ffe8c7fp6c01161fb90c5b7f@mail.gmail.com> On Wed, Oct 1, 2008 at 11:27 AM, inode0 wrote: > On Wed, Oct 1, 2008 at 10:24 AM, Brian Powell wrote: >> I think even though our numbers attending meetings may be small, >> following the guidelines will be helpful especially since we are >> inviting members of the other projects within Fedora to join us in the >> next coming weeks whom may be used to this already within their own >> meetings, this will allow them to discuss there agenda quickly without >> being interrupted and answer questions in an orderly fashion so we are >> not taking up too much of their time. > > This assumes that the person leading the meeting handles all the ?'s > and !'s in an appropriate manner. Since I have not presided over > meetings run this way before that would be a big assumption in my > case. :) > > John > > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > Very true as our meetings are more informal than others I would assume. -- Regards, BrianPowell http://fedoraproject.org From ahsan.jnl at gmail.com Wed Oct 1 15:39:21 2008 From: ahsan.jnl at gmail.com (Ahsan) Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 21:39:21 +0600 Subject: [Ambassadors] F10 Release Party Bangladesh - Budget Preview In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <49d06cc40810010839t4e9f104crb0254c6bafcdf99f@mail.gmail.com> where is the venue ? and whats the date/time ? -- Md. Ahsanur Rashid, ???: ??????? ???? Undergraduate Student, ?????? ??????????, Level-4, Term-1, ?????-?, ?????-?, Department of Computer Science and Engineering (CSE), ????????? ???? ?????, Bangladesh University of Engineering & Technology (BUET), ???????? ??????? ?????????????, Dhaka-1000, Bangladesh. ????-????, ????????? Cell: (+88) 01715621323 ????: (+??)??????????? Web: http://introspection.me.uk/ 2008/10/1 mak > Dear List, > It's our Eid holiday > (like Christmas) is going on. I was busy arranging/buying gifts for my > family and was unable to send my F10 Release Party Budget preview withing > the given time frame. Though I'm sending this in this hope, if FAmSCO > considers my event since I had arranged a successful F9 release party and > have enlisted my event (in the wiki) prior to Q3 Budget draft. > > Just a recap of F9 Release party, > we had more than 60 enthusiast joined the party. We had distributed DVD, had > live USB stick creation station, had 3 talks/presentation, QA, had > soft-drinks only without any snacks. Printed Digital banners and have had > sent event report to this list. > > This time we are expecting approx. 100 Fedora lovers. The venue is in midst > of two universities (Dhaka university and Bangladesh University of > Engineering and Technology) which will definitely attract more presence, and > moreover the venue is free of cost (as Francesco Ugolini suggested). We are > thinking of 100 T-Shirts, which would cost 2 US$ if made locally. > > The draft budget preview: > Banner / Flyer / Sticker - 50 US$ > Blank DVD for burning (100 pcs) - 50 US$ > T-Shirt (100 pcs) - 200 US$ > Drink / Snacks (1 US$ per head) - 100 US$ > > The total would be around within 400 US$ approx. > > > > > > -- > ================================= > Regards > > Mahay Alam Khan > gpg key: 4FDD30FB > General Secretary - Ankur ICT Development Foundation > http://www.ankur.org.bd > Founder Member - Bangladesh Open Source Network > http://www.bdosn.org > OpenOffice.org MarCon Bangladesh > Fedora Ambassador Bangladesh > ================================= > > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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And also take a look at Event wiki ( https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FedoraEvents/ReleaseParty/F10/Dhaka) the date was announced there long ago. -- ================================= Regards Mahay Alam Khan gpg key: 4FDD30FB General Secretary - Ankur ICT Development Foundation http://www.ankur.org.bd Founder Member - Bangladesh Open Source Network http://www.bdosn.org OpenOffice.org MarCon Bangladesh Fedora Ambassador Bangladesh ================================= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From herlo1 at gmail.com Wed Oct 1 16:15:42 2008 From: herlo1 at gmail.com (Clint Savage) Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 10:15:42 -0600 Subject: [Ambassadors] FAMNA Meetings - Follow Guidelines In-Reply-To: References: <96365e610810010824k69161c4fk26711bd8e4e6d4eb@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: > This assumes that the person leading the meeting handles all the ?'s > and !'s in an appropriate manner. Since I have not presided over > meetings run this way before that would be a big assumption in my > case. :) > > John After you pointed this out, I had to go back and re-read the guidelines. It's true that our meetings are informal, but I'd like to follow these rules to help us be more efficient as we tend to get off track easily and it takes much more time to get through a meeting than necessary than in my opinion. I'd like meetings to be closer to an hour than 1.5 hours. Am I wrong here? Thoughts? Cheers, Clint From herlo1 at gmail.com Wed Oct 1 16:23:50 2008 From: herlo1 at gmail.com (Clint Savage) Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 10:23:50 -0600 Subject: [Ambassadors] FAD-NA T-shirt Design Message-ID: So I spent a couple of hours last night mucking around and made a couple t-shirt designs for FAD-NA I liked this one the best: http://herlo.fedorapeople.org/files/fad-na2008-tshirt.png What do you guys think? Cheers, Clint From inode0 at gmail.com Wed Oct 1 16:36:01 2008 From: inode0 at gmail.com (inode0) Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 11:36:01 -0500 Subject: [Ambassadors] FAMNA Meetings - Follow Guidelines In-Reply-To: References: <96365e610810010824k69161c4fk26711bd8e4e6d4eb@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Wed, Oct 1, 2008 at 11:15 AM, Clint Savage wrote: > After you pointed this out, I had to go back and re-read the > guidelines. It's true that our meetings are informal, but I'd like to > follow these rules to help us be more efficient as we tend to get off > track easily and it takes much more time to get through a meeting than > necessary than in my opinion. I'd like meetings to be closer to an > hour than 1.5 hours. > > Am I wrong here? Thoughts? No, I completely agree with you about that and admit the last meeting I did I tried to push things along aggressively and it still ran 75 minutes. But I did not feel like we wasted much time really. I don't mind trying it but I think having the leader of the meeting prepare a good plan and stick to it would help too. On the other hand, interesting stuff comes up out of the blue and I like discussing new spontaneous ideas as well. Preventing or limiting interruptions is good when someone is reporting about something, I find having to raise my hand in the middle of a discussion to hinder the discussion though. So I do see value in some circumstances and harm in others I guess. John From fugolini at fedoraproject.org Wed Oct 1 16:44:02 2008 From: fugolini at fedoraproject.org (Francesco Ugolini) Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 18:44:02 +0200 Subject: [Ambassadors] FAD-NA T-shirt Design In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: 2008/10/1 Clint Savage : > So I spent a couple of hours last night mucking around and made a > couple t-shirt designs for FAD-NA > > I liked this one the best: > > http://herlo.fedorapeople.org/files/fad-na2008-tshirt.png > > What do you guys think? It looks beautiful, great design! Regards Francesco Ugolini From lajjr at yahoo.com Wed Oct 1 17:11:10 2008 From: lajjr at yahoo.com (Leo Jackson) Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 10:11:10 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Ambassadors] FAD-NA T-shirt Design In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <651565.5189.qm@web84304.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Clint, Nice very nice. Leo Albert Jackson Jr Owner Head Programmer LJ's Electronics and Software --- On Wed, 10/1/08, Clint Savage wrote: > From: Clint Savage > Subject: [Ambassadors] FAD-NA T-shirt Design > To: "Fedora Ambassadors" > Date: Wednesday, October 1, 2008, 12:23 PM > So I spent a couple of hours last night mucking around and > made a > couple t-shirt designs for FAD-NA > > I liked this one the best: > > http://herlo.fedorapeople.org/files/fad-na2008-tshirt.png > > What do you guys think? > > Cheers, > > Clint > > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list From herlo1 at gmail.com Wed Oct 1 17:28:14 2008 From: herlo1 at gmail.com (Clint Savage) Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 11:28:14 -0600 Subject: [Ambassadors] FAD-NA T-shirt Design In-Reply-To: <651565.5189.qm@web84304.mail.re1.yahoo.com> References: <651565.5189.qm@web84304.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On Wed, Oct 1, 2008 at 11:11 AM, Leo Jackson wrote: > Clint, > > Nice very nice. > > Leo Albert Jackson Jr > Owner Head Programmer > LJ's Electronics and Software Thank you. I was really hoping the Columbus skyline would look good. I spent a lot of time tracing that around. Now to get some t-shirts ordered :) Cheers, Clint From fab at fedoraproject.org Wed Oct 1 21:14:26 2008 From: fab at fedoraproject.org (Fabian Affolter) Date: Wed, 01 Oct 2008 23:14:26 +0200 Subject: [Ambassadors] FAmSCo Meeting - IRC Log 2008-10-01 Message-ID: <48E3E832.8020106@fedoraproject.org> HTML version of the log is here: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/SteeringCommittee/Meetings/2008-10-01 Raw log is here: AndreasRau is here too FrancescoUgolini FabianAffolter AndreasRau Max is here but a bit grumpy AndreasR: definitely not smiling tonight! ok, no problem JeffreyTadlock ThomasCanniot though it's great to see a big FAMSCo turnout tonight * fugolini too JohnBabich Meeting agenda: 1. Budget status 2. F10 Release Parties: owners preview review 3. Meeting time and date 4. Membership status 5. t.b.d. alright i guess i'm first? since it's budget time. yes it's your turn earlier this week, I sent out 4 separate budget-related emails to NA, SA, EMEA, and APAC/India ambassadors who have had events in September getting status reports, and collecting details to send money where needed It looks like most events are coming in UNDER budget so far. unfortunately MrTom had some logistical problems with PCDL (I don't blame you at all MrTom, I'm just sorry that the event wasn't better for you!). other events are pretty much on track. So this leads to a couple of good things because the "general events" are staying under budget, and because there was extra money left from FUDCon, I feel like we won't have any funding problems for the release events Great and I also was able to offer an additional $500 to the FAD NA event so that's about it... we're in good shape. any questions? Yes go ahead I've read your email and personally they help really My question is: for Q4, will us to change something? *will us have Or the system could work as it is? Personally I was feared by the lot of issues I think our general workflow is solid, and unless the rest of FAMSCo wants to make changes, I don't anticipate doing things too much differently *requests I am here to serve you guys! spevack: thank you so if you have a better way or better idea, just tell me! spevack: I just post an idea to track event in a way that it would be possible to query by owner, country etc but we will discuss on the list fugolini: here is my comment, for people to think about the FedoraEvents page is very easy for an individual ambassador to use and edit. It is also pretty easy for FAMSCo or me to look at it and see "oh, these are the events that are coming soon" or "these are the events that just finished, i probably should ask the owners if they need money" could it be more automated or database driven? sure. but i think that it would also make it a bit harder for people to add events. and one thing that i have noticed is that even though we sent a bunch of reminders for people to get their events on the page early a bunch still came in after our budget deadline. so if the barrier to creating an event goes up more, i am quite fearful that peole will just ignore the workflow I was moving my question just because today I was facing difficulties trying to search for specific events and email famsco directly, which will cause a bigger mess. just a thought EOF i would be interested to hear what everyone else thinks. spevack: thank you Anyone has comments on Budget and/or this issue? I would be inclined to keep the event listing in the wiki. it keeps the hurdle low and provides good visibility for a non-fedora contributor to see if we are going to be in the area at a conference. jmbuser I agree with keeping it on the wiki so people can easily add events EOF AndreasR: ! Okay, you are right why make it bigger... I think your comment was very clear I didn't thought about that eof MrTom: i think editing the wiki is not that difficult. It is very easy to understand how it works... just copy and paste. Having a webapp would need wok again from the infrastructure team I think, and management from someone again. EOF fabian_a ! MrTom: +1 -- who's going to have time to make the webapp. Websites and Infrastructure are already overloaded. ! if the events are no longer at the wiki we will be able to reuse a single entries on the front page as an example eof sp spevack: fugolini: nevermind :) ah As I said, I faced that issue wehn I'll try to get some useful data in a really brief time Probably it was my impression, but I just hate to type ctrl-f and try to filter content BTW, you are right when you say there isn't space to deploy a solution etc. But as FAmSCo is quite made by volunteers that use their free time, I though it could be helpful to give them a fast way to make query But sure, I don't want to annoy more with this issue, just because probably it's something I experienced I. So, just put it in the sandbox, and discuss about next, most important issues 2. F10 Release Parties I just send an email with people budget preview ! spevack: I thought it was a good email, and that your suggestions made sense. I think if we can keep the total bill for F10 release parties in Q3 (so the ones that happen in November) to about $1000 USD or less, we'll be fine. For the ones in December (Q4), we will deal with that in the next budget planning round fugolini: and thank you very much for your owrk +1 on thanks spevack: I'm trying to do my best. I have to thank you for all the suggestions and ideas you daily give us fugolini: no thanks needed but you are welcome :) So, you agree with my last mail about Release Events preview just give me a minute for the adress let me go line by line just to be sure Bangladesh, $100-$150 https://www.redhat.com/mailman/private/famsco-list/2008-October/msg00008.html Thessaloniki, $100-$150 Milan: 150-$200 yeah, agreed Maybe give Bangladesh $200 All agree? it won't really matter, and they don't ask for much let's give them what they want. So I would say: Bangladesh/Milan: $200 Thessaloniki: up to $150 eof i think there's enough money floating around the north american pot to take care of all their needs. and I'll be in contact with those guys anyway. spevack: that's what I need to know thanks +1 fugolini: i think we're in good shape. No bad feelings or worries here That make me happy Any question, suggestion, critic or whateverelse? no none from me Ok, we can move on. 3. Meeting time and date Take a look at this thread: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/private/famsco-list/2008-September/msg00072.html After a discussion, it seems people agreed to hold the meeting on Thursday at 19.00 UTC just take a look at timesanddates.com maybe it's not the correct adress but it sounds like this Any question? is that tomorrow? the next week :) ok, good. i'm on an airplane tomorrow, and I wanted to attend :) enjoy the travel if they have power plug in the seat, i will. ;) it ok for me on thursday evening I tried to figure out, as Fabian suggest, the perfect time from the Calendar page at /Ambassadors/SteeringCommittee/Meeting thursdays are intermittent for me as it conflicts with a $dayjob meeting every other week. *Meetings iWolf: that's a problem, could you suggest an alternative? ! ! AndreasR: this Wednesday time generally seems to work well for me. :) one week Wednesday the other Thursday eof fabian_a: for me it will not work before 20.00 utc, sorry eof ! fabian_a: the main problem is that with summertime, starting from october the 6th I'll have to wake up really early I don't knwo when we will start reusing sunlight time i know but with sunlight time 20.00 UTC is ok fugolini: not until november do the clocks change or end of october a few weeks fugolini: this is 22.00 cest fabian_a: for next week I could try, but I can be clearminded but to have a clear mind I need to sleep some time I have to wake up at 3.30 UTC fugolini: won't worry we will find a way that works for everybody fabian_a: ok, I'll try to stay up maybe sleeping before and after that time jmbuser: Wednesdays are my weekend, but doable for me Fridays through Tuesdays are not good - Thursday is best EOF I think we could alternate meeting, making him once on Wednesday and once on Thursday It's ok? why not yes ! fugolini: that's definitely not an option...sleeping before and after the meeting +1 sure, let's switch the days +1 fabian_a: sorry i missed the point do you agree with my idea? +1 Ok, so the motion is accepted Next item: 4. Membership status I want to thank kital for the work he has done during this week we have all experienced the new membership rules change I'm referring to the Ambassadors List welcome but, at the root, the work is going in the right way. Joerg (kital) is updating us about what is happening and that help us a lot I think that's all. Questions, comments or whatever else? ! AndreasR: thanks kital eof absolutely Any question? * kital hears that ;) no :) ok, someone has a topic to discuss? Tomorrow or maybe later this week I'll write an email to FAD NA attendees I can't be there. I'm not sure if someone from FAmSCo could be there iWolf: iWolf will be there will you be there? I can be there So, great. I'll send you the email, along with jmbuser It's one of the most important Ambassadors-related event this year. We will have a FAD EMEA too Re: [Famsco-list] EMEA - NA meeting Is being held until the list moderator can review it for approval. The reason it is being held: Post by non-member to a members-only list sorry :-( GeroldKa: i'll check GeroldKa: give me the time to access administrative interface and I'll check it BTW, fortunately I could join FAD EMEA jmbuser, iWolf you will be the voice of FAmSCo there for a Pizza Spaghetti ... we will love it :-) GeroldKa: yeah blah... ehehe .. there is a place for you reserved... and I am doing the nameplates Ok, anything else? What GeroldKa paste, it's the proposal to hold a common meeting with EMEA and NA to discuss about certain topic I personally happy to see this initiative proposed by NA Ambassadors I hope to be able to solve the technical issue Ok, i'm starting meeting count down. 3 2 thank you fugolini 1 fugolini: thanks! == Meeting adjourned == -- Fingerprint: 2F6C 930F D3C4 7E38 6AFA 4EB4 E23C D2DD 36A4 397F Fedora always leads and never follows. From fugolini at fedoraproject.org Wed Oct 1 21:30:50 2008 From: fugolini at fedoraproject.org (Francesco Ugolini) Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 23:30:50 +0200 Subject: [Ambassadors] FAmSCo Meeting - IRC Log 2008-10-01 In-Reply-To: <48E3E832.8020106@fedoraproject.org> References: <48E3E832.8020106@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: 2008/10/1 Fabian Affolter : > HTML version of the log is here: Thank you very, very much. Francesco Ugolini From fab at fedoraproject.org Wed Oct 1 21:30:49 2008 From: fab at fedoraproject.org (Fabian Affolter) Date: Wed, 01 Oct 2008 23:30:49 +0200 Subject: [Ambassadors] Ambassadors Polo Shirts EMEA Message-ID: <48E3EC09.7030109@fedoraproject.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hi all, - From time to time we (to be more precise Joerg Simon) order a bunch of Ambassadors Polo Shirts. We decided to make a new order for EMEA soon. If you plan to attend FAD EMEA in the middle of November or FOSDEM at the end of February and want a Poloshirt please add your details to the Fedora Ambassadors Poloshirt page [1] as soon as possible. Be aware, the ordering will only happen if there will be a total quantity of 15 pieces. Kind regards, Fabian [1] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/PoloShirt - -- Fingerprint: 2F6C 930F D3C4 7E38 6AFA 4EB4 E23C D2DD 36A4 397F Fedora always leads and never follows. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkjj7AgACgkQ4jzS3TakOX8PRQCdG9D4PUJEKBTuvc447yzIZTOB YcsAnAuh1unGvC5J49412nSKbSBSNcw9 =VL5u -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From kam at kamsalisbury.com Wed Oct 1 23:58:21 2008 From: kam at kamsalisbury.com (Kam Salisbury) Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 19:58:21 -0400 Subject: [Ambassadors] Release Events Budget Preview - Last Call Message-ID: <7b7b00ef0810011658w6dc4297cq451261b56cf38e5e@mail.gmail.com> I would like to understand the budget need better so that I could do a small Release Party with the Philly Linux Meet-Up group. They have a venue in center city Philly so the only cost for the aproximately 10-20 attendees would be... $40 Snacks and sodas of some kind $10 Blank CDR media for FD10 Live CDs (I read through all the logo guides, am I clear to just put a small Fedora sticker type label on them?) $??? Shirts, stickers, hats? (I am not sure how I get these items or if I should investigate having them locally produced) I already have all the equipment necessary to provide a "make a fedora-live usb" station as well as provide a demonstration platform. I plan on giving a short presentation highlighting the major improvements offered by the latest Fedora, say about 15 minutes in length. - -- Kam Salisbury http://kamsalisbury.com GPG key: FAF1751E -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Thanks Francesco Ugolini wrote: > 2008/10/1 Clint Savage : > >> So I spent a couple of hours last night mucking around and made a >> couple t-shirt designs for FAD-NA >> >> I liked this one the best: >> >> http://herlo.fedorapeople.org/files/fad-na2008-tshirt.png >> >> What do you guys think? >> > > It looks beautiful, great design! > > Regards > > Francesco Ugolini > > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > > From herlo1 at gmail.com Thu Oct 2 00:31:00 2008 From: herlo1 at gmail.com (Clint Savage) Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 18:31:00 -0600 Subject: [Ambassadors] FAD-NA T-shirt Design In-Reply-To: <48E41567.3070906@gmail.com> References: <48E41567.3070906@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Wed, Oct 1, 2008 at 6:27 PM, chicagonpg wrote: > How do we obtain a shirt for FAD-NA? > > Thanks Well, I'll be ordering enough for the folks who sign up by tonight (at midnight) on the FADNA page. I may not be able to get the t-shirts until after FADNA, so if that's the case, I'll ship them out. https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FAD/FADNA2008 Cheers, Clint From pcalarco at nd.edu Thu Oct 2 01:37:20 2008 From: pcalarco at nd.edu (Pascal Calarco) Date: Wed, 01 Oct 2008 21:37:20 -0400 Subject: [Ambassadors] FAD-NA T-shirt Design In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <48E425D0.3010503@nd.edu> Nicely done, Clint, and a great way to get us psyched for FAD-NA! Best, - pascal Clint Savage wrote: > So I spent a couple of hours last night mucking around and made a > couple t-shirt designs for FAD-NA > > I liked this one the best: > > http://herlo.fedorapeople.org/files/fad-na2008-tshirt.png > > What do you guys think? > > Cheers, > > Clint > > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > From chicagonpg at gmail.com Thu Oct 2 02:50:29 2008 From: chicagonpg at gmail.com (chicagonpg) Date: Wed, 01 Oct 2008 21:50:29 -0500 Subject: [Ambassadors] FAD-NA T-shirt Design In-Reply-To: References: <48E41567.3070906@gmail.com> Message-ID: <48E436F5.5010102@gmail.com> Clint Savage wrote: > On Wed, Oct 1, 2008 at 6:27 PM, chicagonpg wrote: > >> How do we obtain a shirt for FAD-NA? >> >> Thanks >> > > Well, I'll be ordering enough for the folks who sign up by tonight (at > midnight) on the FADNA page. I may not be able to get the t-shirts > until after FADNA, so if that's the case, I'll ship them out. > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FAD/FADNA2008 > > Cheers, > > Clint > > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > > Wonderful so then I'm covered. Can't wait for FADNA Shaun From bochecha at fedoraproject.org Thu Oct 2 08:08:20 2008 From: bochecha at fedoraproject.org (Mathieu Bridon (bochecha)) Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2008 10:08:20 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [Ambassadors] Ambassadors Polo Shirts EMEA In-Reply-To: <48E3EC09.7030109@fedoraproject.org> References: <48E3EC09.7030109@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <51061.VwBUX1dRCno=.1222934900.squirrel@webmail.no-log.org> Hi, > If you plan to attend FAD EMEA in the middle of November or FOSDEM at > the end of February and want a Poloshirt please add your details to the > Fedora Ambassadors Poloshirt page [1] as soon as possible. I won't be at FAD EMEA, I have no idea if I'll be at FOSDEM, but I'd love to have an Ambassador poloshirt. Should I add my details on this page ? > Be aware, the ordering will only happen if there will be a total > quantity of 15 pieces. There might be more ordered pieces if people not going to those events could order some :) Regards, ---------- Mathieu Bridon (bochecha) French Fedora Ambassador ---------- "They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety." ~Benjamin Franklin From fugolini at fedoraproject.org Thu Oct 2 08:33:18 2008 From: fugolini at fedoraproject.org (Francesco Ugolini) Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2008 10:33:18 +0200 Subject: [Ambassadors] Release Events Budget Preview - Last Call In-Reply-To: <7b7b00ef0810011658w6dc4297cq451261b56cf38e5e@mail.gmail.com> References: <7b7b00ef0810011658w6dc4297cq451261b56cf38e5e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: 2008/10/2 Kam Salisbury : > I would like to understand the budget need better so that I could do a > small Release Party with the Philly Linux Meet-Up group. Sorry, I missed the point. When? Actually in order to be qualified to ask for a reimbursment you have to organize you event in Q4. see fedoraproject.org/wiki/FedoraEvents Regards Francesco Ugolini From karlie_robinson at webpath.net Thu Oct 2 12:21:12 2008 From: karlie_robinson at webpath.net (Karlie Robinson) Date: Thu, 02 Oct 2008 08:21:12 -0400 Subject: [Ambassadors] XO demo Saturday in Rochester NY Message-ID: <48E4BCB8.70706@webpath.net> A brief FYI that I'll be taking the XO to a ROCGeeks Meet-up [1] on Saturday. I'll be doing show and tell with the machine as well as talking about G1G1 and the Fedora install option. ~Karlie [1] http://rocgeeks.com/ From boyz4135 at hotmail.com Thu Oct 2 15:44:01 2008 From: boyz4135 at hotmail.com (Mohd Aizat Zamani) Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2008 23:44:01 +0800 Subject: [Ambassadors] FAMNA Meetings - Follow Guidelines In-Reply-To: References: <96365e610810010824k69161c4fk26711bd8e4e6d4eb@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Hello to all Fedora Ambassadors. I'm Aizat the Asia Fedora Ambassadors i really need you all help. i don't log in to Fedora Ambassadors for a long time. and now i already forgot the password. what you all must help me is how to recover my forgotton password. Please!!!With Regards, MOHD AIZAT > Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 11:36:01 -0500> From: inode0 at gmail.com> To: fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com> Subject: Re: [Ambassadors] FAMNA Meetings - Follow Guidelines> > On Wed, Oct 1, 2008 at 11:15 AM, Clint Savage wrote:> > After you pointed this out, I had to go back and re-read the> > guidelines. It's true that our meetings are informal, but I'd like to> > follow these rules to help us be more efficient as we tend to get off> > track easily and it takes much more time to get through a meeting than> > necessary than in my opinion. I'd like meetings to be closer to an> > hour than 1.5 hours.> >> > Am I wrong here? Thoughts?> > No, I completely agree with you about that and admit the last meeting> I did I tried to push things along aggressively and it still ran 75> minutes. But I did not feel like we wasted much time really. I don't> mind trying it but I think having the leader of the meeting prepare a> good plan and stick to it would help too. On the other hand,> interesting stuff comes up out of the blue and I like discussing new> spontaneous ideas as well.> > Preventing or limiting interruptions is good when someone is reporting> about something, I find having to raise my hand in the middle of a> discussion to hinder the discussion though. So I do see value in some> circumstances and harm in others I guess.> > John> > --> Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list> Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list _________________________________________________________________ Easily publish your photos to your Spaces with Photo Gallery. http://get.live.com/photogallery/overview -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From herlo1 at gmail.com Thu Oct 2 16:06:52 2008 From: herlo1 at gmail.com (Clint Savage) Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2008 10:06:52 -0600 Subject: [Ambassadors] FAD-NA: Please add your shirt sizes Message-ID: Hi all, If you haven't already, please take a moment to add your shirt sizes to the FADNA208 page (https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FAD/FADNA2008#Attendees) so I can order the correct sizes. I will be placing this order around noon today (PDT) and hopefully I'll have a good number of you with shirt sizes. Cheers, Clint From kam at kamsalisbury.com Fri Oct 3 03:28:00 2008 From: kam at kamsalisbury.com (Kam) Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2008 23:28:00 -0400 Subject: [Ambassadors] Release Events Budget Preview - Last Call Message-ID: <48e59175.2b4a2c0a.11c8.ffffea43@mx.google.com> In December 2008. -- Kam http://kamsalisbury.com GPG key: FAF1751E -----Original Message----- From: "Francesco Ugolini" Subj: Re: [Ambassadors] Release Events Budget Preview - Last Call Date: Thu Oct 2, 2008 4:35 am Size: 542 bytes To: fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com 2008/10/2 Kam Salisbury : > I would like to understand the budget need better so that I could do a > small Release Party with the Philly Linux Meet-Up group. Sorry, I missed the point. When? Actually in order to be qualified to ask for a reimbursment you have to organize you event in Q4. see fedoraproject.org/wiki/FedoraEvents Regards Francesco Ugolini -- Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list From fugolini at fedoraproject.org Fri Oct 3 10:15:16 2008 From: fugolini at fedoraproject.org (Francesco Ugolini) Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2008 12:15:16 +0200 Subject: [Ambassadors] Release Events Budget Preview - Last Call In-Reply-To: <48e59175.2b4a2c0a.11c8.ffffea43@mx.google.com> References: <48e59175.2b4a2c0a.11c8.ffffea43@mx.google.com> Message-ID: 2008/10/3 Kam : > In December 2008. > So add your event in http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FedoraEvents in order to get some funds. Moreover, along with adding your event in /wiki/FedoraEvent page, I suggest you and whoever is planning to hold a event in Q4 to create their own Event Wiki Page to add all the details about this one. Hoping I answered your question Regards Francesco Ugolini From kwade at redhat.com Fri Oct 3 13:46:09 2008 From: kwade at redhat.com (Karsten 'quaid' Wade) Date: Fri, 03 Oct 2008 06:46:09 -0700 Subject: [Ambassadors] fact gathering from other groups Message-ID: <1223041569.3452.253.camel@calliope.phig.org> Lengthy discussion regarding recruiting new contributors for Fedora. Out of this discussion a suggestion was made to invite members of the various projects within Fedora to briefly discuss their project as well as what there current needs are in the realm of new contributors to the Fedora Ambassadors so we can better understand what they do and how to help them. Next week a member of the Art Team will be invited. Clint and I were discussing this the other day in light of the quality of the wiki/Join page. Historically, Mo and I were envisioning that work as a step in the process to a "Join tool", a kind of wizard to take people through joining the project as a participant. In meeting with these groups, if we do two things with that (overview of what their project does/how they do it; and how to join), we have something that we can teach to Ambassadors so they can talk about the various projects (becomes part of our own Joining/learning process). It also gives us a nice record of the join process for _everyone_. If we can find some programming resources to start on a join wizard, knowing what each group needs to join is a great fact gathering for that, without over-committing Ambassadors to "own the new Join tool". - Karsten -- Karsten Wade, Community Gardener Dev Fu : http://developer.redhatmagazine.com Fedora : http://quaid.fedorapeople.org gpg key : AD0E0C41 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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One thing I notice is those rules are most useful when the meeting is in a language that is common but not native to all writers. The rapid flow of discussion when everyone is fully familiar with the language is confusing to others not as cognizant of the language. One advantage we have in FAmNA meetings is that it is a region nearly the size of EMEA that speaks a common language and has common cultural references. We're not going to need as many meeting guidelines to be effective but it puts us at risk of: * Deep sidetracking due to side tracking on interesting cultural tidbits that are clearly off-topic; people don't do this in non-same language meetings (except for the World Cup!) * Losing non-native readers who are trying to follow along or read the IRC log afterward. * Longer meetings. I suggest the following as an iterative step: * Refer to those IRC meeting rules at the start of the meeting, and the moderator can move to "full meeting rules" mode at any time to shutdown side conversations and get things moving (reports, discussion, voting) * Make sure the moderator is prepared to focus on keeping the discussion moving, even while being a part of it (an art form) * Remind folks during the meeting to remember the non-native readers who are following along :) - Karsten -- Karsten Wade, Community Gardener Dev Fu : http://developer.redhatmagazine.com Fedora : http://quaid.fedorapeople.org gpg key : AD0E0C41 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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The first will be M?ir?n Duffy (mizmo) from the Art team at the October 7 meeting at 2100 EDT (October 8, 0100 UTC) in #fedora-meeting We already have Docs and QA/Bug Triaging lined up as well, and we will get others lined up in the coming weeks. We cordially invite anyone/everyone to attend this meeting regardless of your geographic location. Homework for NA Ambassadors: Please go check out http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork and other Art team pages BEFORE THE MEETING. Read what's there and be ready to ask questions, particularly if something isn't clear to you. From fugolini at fedoraproject.org Fri Oct 3 14:30:45 2008 From: fugolini at fedoraproject.org (Francesco Ugolini) Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2008 16:30:45 +0200 Subject: [Ambassadors] Special visitors at the upcoming NA Ambassadors meetings In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: 2008/10/3 David Nalley : > The NA Ambassadors meetings will have visitors over the next few > weeks. These visitors will be representatives from other projects > within Fedora. The will attempt to educate us on the specific 'Join' > process for their project as well as tasks they have that are suited > for new users. Since one of the purposes of the Ambassador project is > to recruit and foster new contributors we figured that we at least > need to be familiar with the quirks for those projects. > > The first will be M?ir?n Duffy (mizmo) from the Art team at the > October 7 meeting at 2100 EDT (October 8, 0100 UTC) in #fedora-meeting > > We already have Docs and QA/Bug Triaging lined up as well, and we will > get others lined up in the coming weeks. Absolute great! My congratulation with NA Fedora Ambassadors and Contributors who will join the forces to recruit new contributors too. If you need any kind of help tell me. Regards Francesco Ugolini From fugolini at fedoraproject.org Fri Oct 3 14:50:15 2008 From: fugolini at fedoraproject.org (Francesco Ugolini) Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2008 16:50:15 +0200 Subject: [Ambassadors] fact gathering from other groups In-Reply-To: <1223041569.3452.253.camel@calliope.phig.org> References: <1223041569.3452.253.camel@calliope.phig.org> Message-ID: 2008/10/3 Karsten 'quaid' Wade : > In meeting with these groups, if we do two things with that (overview of > what their project does/how they do it; and how to join), we have > something that we can teach to Ambassadors so they can talk about the > various projects (becomes part of our own Joining/learning process). It > also gives us a nice record of the join process for _everyone_. Yes, that could be helpful. > If we can find some programming resources to start on a join wizard, > knowing what each group needs to join is a great fact gathering for > that, without over-committing Ambassadors to "own the new Join tool". I, personally, agree with this idea. I think if we create a easy to understand tool, it could help people figuring out where and what they can do. Regards Francesco Ugolini From inode0 at gmail.com Fri Oct 3 16:20:21 2008 From: inode0 at gmail.com (inode0) Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2008 11:20:21 -0500 Subject: [Ambassadors] Special visitors at the upcoming NA Ambassadors meetings In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Fri, Oct 3, 2008 at 9:13 AM, David Nalley wrote: > In case you didn't read the minutes of the most recent NA Ambassadors meeting: > > The NA Ambassadors meetings will have visitors over the next few > weeks. These visitors will be representatives from other projects > within Fedora. The will attempt to educate us on the specific 'Join' > process for their project as well as tasks they have that are suited > for new users. Since one of the purposes of the Ambassador project is > to recruit and foster new contributors we figured that we at least > need to be familiar with the quirks for those projects. > > The first will be M?ir?n Duffy (mizmo) from the Art team at the > October 7 meeting at 2100 EDT (October 8, 0100 UTC) in #fedora-meeting > > We already have Docs and QA/Bug Triaging lined up as well, and we will > get others lined up in the coming weeks. Jon Stanley (jds2001) will join us to discuss Bug Triaging at the October 14th meeting. > We cordially invite anyone/everyone to attend this meeting regardless > of your geographic location. > > Homework for NA Ambassadors: > Please go check out http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork and other > Art team pages BEFORE THE MEETING. Read what's there and be ready to > ask questions, particularly if something isn't clear to you. Added homework assignment: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/BugZappers John From herlo1 at gmail.com Fri Oct 3 16:24:22 2008 From: herlo1 at gmail.com (Clint Savage) Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2008 10:24:22 -0600 Subject: [Ambassadors] Special visitors at the upcoming NA Ambassadors meetings In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Fri, Oct 3, 2008 at 8:30 AM, Francesco Ugolini wrote: > 2008/10/3 David Nalley : >> The NA Ambassadors meetings will have visitors over the next few >> weeks. These visitors will be representatives from other projects >> within Fedora. The will attempt to educate us on the specific 'Join' >> process for their project as well as tasks they have that are suited >> for new users. Since one of the purposes of the Ambassador project is >> to recruit and foster new contributors we figured that we at least >> need to be familiar with the quirks for those projects. >> >> The first will be M?ir?n Duffy (mizmo) from the Art team at the >> October 7 meeting at 2100 EDT (October 8, 0100 UTC) in #fedora-meeting >> >> We already have Docs and QA/Bug Triaging lined up as well, and we will >> get others lined up in the coming weeks. I'm confirming docs for October 21. Karsten Wade (and possibly others) will be along to help us see the vision for the Docs project. As far as urls go and our homework for Monday Oct 20: Please Read http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject/Join http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject To get more information for this group. From thinklinux.ssh at gmail.com Fri Oct 3 16:36:40 2008 From: thinklinux.ssh at gmail.com (susmit shannigrahi) Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2008 22:06:40 +0530 Subject: [Ambassadors] Axis'08 Event report Message-ID: Hi, These are the event reports for Axis'08. One more post and few more pics are on way from Arindam. My heartiest thanks to the organisers (One of whom I am cc'ing) for being so very accommodating and friendly. It was a great event for us. I am sure the activity that started with Axis'08 will continue and gain momentum. Thanks. Event reports: [1] http://susmit.wordpress.com/2008/10/01/axis08-report-part-1-preprations/ [2] http://susmit.wordpress.com/2008/10/03/axis%e2%80%9908-report-part-2-event/ [3] http://subhodipbiswas.wordpress.com/2008/10/03/axis-08-detailed-report/ Photos: [1] http://www.flickr.com/photos/makghosh/tags/axis/ -- Regards, Susmit. ============================================= ssh 0x86DD170A http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/user:susmit ============================================= From herlo1 at gmail.com Fri Oct 3 17:18:32 2008 From: herlo1 at gmail.com (Clint Savage) Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2008 11:18:32 -0600 Subject: [Ambassadors] fact gathering from other groups In-Reply-To: References: <1223041569.3452.253.camel@calliope.phig.org> Message-ID: On Fri, Oct 3, 2008 at 8:50 AM, Francesco Ugolini wrote: > 2008/10/3 Karsten 'quaid' Wade : > >> In meeting with these groups, if we do two things with that (overview of >> what their project does/how they do it; and how to join), we have >> something that we can teach to Ambassadors so they can talk about the >> various projects (becomes part of our own Joining/learning process). It >> also gives us a nice record of the join process for _everyone_. > > Yes, that could be helpful. > >> If we can find some programming resources to start on a join wizard, >> knowing what each group needs to join is a great fact gathering for >> that, without over-committing Ambassadors to "own the new Join tool". > > I, personally, agree with this idea. I think if we create a easy to > understand tool, it could help people figuring out where and what they > can do. While it's great to desire programming resources to complete this task, I think we could actually design and build much of what we need without a programmer. Essentially, we need to figure out the flow, mock up some web pages and then develop the project. It would be nice to have the developer up front, but it isn't necessary if we have a well defined plan as to how the project should look and feel. I'd suggest even that we start discussing the decision tree here in this email to find out what direction we think future contributors might take and what the best approach would be to this structure. Also, it would be good to spend some research time asking people who are new to the project why they joined and what they'd like to see to make it easier to get involved. I'm guessing some of this research has already commenced/completed. However, I do not have any knowledge. of these resources, please share :) Cheers, Clint From david at gnsa.us Fri Oct 3 17:37:39 2008 From: david at gnsa.us (David Nalley) Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2008 13:37:39 -0400 Subject: [Ambassadors] fact gathering from other groups In-Reply-To: References: <1223041569.3452.253.camel@calliope.phig.org> Message-ID: On Fri, Oct 3, 2008 at 1:18 PM, Clint Savage wrote: > On Fri, Oct 3, 2008 at 8:50 AM, Francesco Ugolini > wrote: >> 2008/10/3 Karsten 'quaid' Wade : >> >>> In meeting with these groups, if we do two things with that (overview of >>> what their project does/how they do it; and how to join), we have >>> something that we can teach to Ambassadors so they can talk about the >>> various projects (becomes part of our own Joining/learning process). It >>> also gives us a nice record of the join process for _everyone_. >> >> Yes, that could be helpful. >> >>> If we can find some programming resources to start on a join wizard, >>> knowing what each group needs to join is a great fact gathering for >>> that, without over-committing Ambassadors to "own the new Join tool". >> >> I, personally, agree with this idea. I think if we create a easy to >> understand tool, it could help people figuring out where and what they >> can do. > > While it's great to desire programming resources to complete this > task, I think we could actually design and build much of what we need > without a programmer. Essentially, we need to figure out the flow, > mock up some web pages and then develop the project. It would be nice > to have the developer up front, but it isn't necessary if we have a > well defined plan as to how the project should look and feel. > > I'd suggest even that we start discussing the decision tree here in > this email to find out what direction we think future contributors > might take and what the best approach would be to this structure. > Also, it would be good to spend some research time asking people who > are new to the project why they joined and what they'd like to see to > make it easier to get involved. > > I'm guessing some of this research has already commenced/completed. > However, I do not have any knowledge. of these resources, please share > :) > Moreover why don't we solicit the opinion of some new contributors. I can think of a couple who I am sure would be happy to tell us their thoughts. From shambo.linux at gmail.com Fri Oct 3 17:49:36 2008 From: shambo.linux at gmail.com (Shambo Bose) Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2008 23:19:36 +0530 Subject: [Ambassadors] fact gathering from other groups In-Reply-To: References: <1223041569.3452.253.camel@calliope.phig.org> Message-ID: On Fri, Oct 3, 2008 at 10:48 PM, Clint Savage wrote: > On Fri, Oct 3, 2008 at 8:50 AM, Francesco Ugolini > wrote: > > 2008/10/3 Karsten 'quaid' Wade : > > > >> In meeting with these groups, if we do two things with that (overview of > >> what their project does/how they do it; and how to join), we have > >> something that we can teach to Ambassadors so they can talk about the > >> various projects (becomes part of our own Joining/learning process). It > >> also gives us a nice record of the join process for _everyone_. > > > > Yes, that could be helpful. > > > >> If we can find some programming resources to start on a join wizard, > >> knowing what each group needs to join is a great fact gathering for > >> that, without over-committing Ambassadors to "own the new Join tool". > > > > I, personally, agree with this idea. I think if we create a easy to > > understand tool, it could help people figuring out where and what they > > can do. > > While it's great to desire programming resources to complete this > task, I think we could actually design and build much of what we need > without a programmer. Essentially, we need to figure out the flow, > mock up some web pages and then develop the project. It would be nice > to have the developer up front, but it isn't necessary if we have a > well defined plan as to how the project should look and feel. > > I'd suggest even that we start discussing the decision tree here in > this email to find out what direction we think future contributors > might take and what the best approach would be to this structure. > Also, it would be good to spend some research time asking people who > are new to the project why they joined and what they'd like to see to > make it easier to get involved. > > I'm guessing some of this research has already commenced/completed. > However, I do not have any knowledge. of these resources, please share > :) > > Cheers, > > Clint > > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > Hello, I personally think that too many hyperlinks in the project details page should be avoided as they create confusion . 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Soc -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: http://getfiregpg.org iD8DBQFI5qBuoIK4BlImohYRAhcVAKCOMoHKevNXChtWUuDmyrvTI+fkugCfSwcF E0xCnKh6gd5cVCJOan6RwZM= =rnU8 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From irashadul at gmail.com Sat Oct 4 06:18:34 2008 From: irashadul at gmail.com (Rashadul Islam) Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2008 02:18:34 -0400 Subject: [Ambassadors] FAMNA Meetings - Follow Guidelines In-Reply-To: <1223042655.3452.266.camel@calliope.phig.org> References: <96365e610810010824k69161c4fk26711bd8e4e6d4eb@mail.gmail.com> <1223042655.3452.266.camel@calliope.phig.org> Message-ID: <17fa59580810032318n5aacf72ao3f17c37673c98eec@mail.gmail.com> Couple things on this thread: 1) Please make he/her to read Roberts Rules who wants to/will chair a meeting. It could someway better to understand how to chair a meeting without any hesitation. --> I know our meeting is informal, but to me it should be very formal because of our large community. 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Wir wollen dabei ein m?glichst breites Spektrum freier Software pr?sentieren und in Vortr?gen auf neue/interessante M?glichkeiten und Gefahren in diesem Bereich hinweisen. Soweit zu uns. Sollten Sie die M?glichkeit haben das Projekt Fedora entweder an einem Tisch zu pr?sentieren und m?glicherweise einen Vortrag ?ber neue Funktionen zu halten, w?rde uns dies sehr freuen. F?r eine kurzfristige R?cksprache stehe ich auch telefonisch zur Verf?gung. (0234 476175) Ansonsten ist der Stand der Vorbereitungen (mit zeitlicher Verz?gerung) auf www.come2linux.org zu entnehmen. Mit freundlichen Gr??en Gerd Hofmann-Credner -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFI5z+5tMB2vbNrb7kRAuW4AJ9TdC9TYxVGjP8nhw8lNwqWfWHFyACgmN/S wK3gStbQMa2x4QR/YK3ymPE= =baPR -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -------------- next part -------------- An embedded message was scrubbed... From: Gerd Hofmann-Credner Subject: come2linux Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2008 19:02:51 +0200 Size: 2489 URL: From peter at reuschlein.de Sat Oct 4 10:07:54 2008 From: peter at reuschlein.de (Peter Reuschlein) Date: Sat, 04 Oct 2008 12:07:54 +0200 Subject: [Ambassadors] Attandance request for com2linux in Essen (Germany) In-Reply-To: <48E73FB9.3070400@reuschlein.de> References: <48E73FB9.3070400@reuschlein.de> Message-ID: <48E7407A.8070204@reuschlein.de> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Arg, i just noticed, its exact the time when we have the FAD, heh that was the thing my calender told me as "booked" i?ll just tell him that. regards Peter -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFI50B6tMB2vbNrb7kRAtbQAKCa00mqnhN09BjGTu3tJuhFEFm/nwCgnkoF GNEUhoJbwVndDznDfTeOOqc= =kypD -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From david at gnsa.us Sat Oct 4 17:13:39 2008 From: david at gnsa.us (David Nalley) Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2008 13:13:39 -0400 Subject: [Ambassadors] Event Report: Southern Wesleyan University Message-ID: I visited Southern Wesleyan University on Friday 3 October 2008. The class I was invited to was a VB class. About 8 people showed up. I showed off the OLPC XO and that garnered the most attention. I also talked about why college students should get involved in open source projects. I unfortunately can't say that it was the most engaged audience. I distributed media to everyone. From kam at kamsalisbury.com Sat Oct 4 18:09:00 2008 From: kam at kamsalisbury.com (Kam) Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2008 14:09:00 -0400 Subject: [Ambassadors] Event Report: Southern Wesleyan University Message-ID: <48e7b179.0936640a.7711.ffff9009@mx.google.com> David, did they contact you to present at this event? -- Kam http://kamsalisbury.com GPG key: FAF1751E -----Original Message----- From: "David Nalley" Subj: [Ambassadors] Event Report: Southern Wesleyan University Date: Sat Oct 4, 2008 1:14 pm Size: 533 bytes To: fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com I visited Southern Wesleyan University on Friday 3 October 2008. The class I was invited to was a VB class. About 8 people showed up. I showed off the OLPC XO and that garnered the most attention. I also talked about why college students should get involved in open source projects. I unfortunately can't say that it was the most engaged audience. I distributed media to everyone. -- Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list From karlie_robinson at webpath.net Sat Oct 4 21:02:01 2008 From: karlie_robinson at webpath.net (Karlie Robinson) Date: Sat, 04 Oct 2008 17:02:01 -0400 Subject: [Ambassadors] Re: XO demo Saturday in Rochester NY In-Reply-To: <48E4BC7C.8010905@webpath.net> References: <48E4BC7C.8010905@webpath.net> Message-ID: <48E7D9C9.9020500@webpath.net> Brief Follow-up. The meet-up went well. There were about a dozen people in attendance. Linux, Mac and Win users The XO laptops were front and center and I believe almost everyone had a chance to use one if they wanted to. I discussed the XO, it's basic functions, the concept of OLPC and Fedora's involvement with the project. I even had to show the machine to people in the shop who weren't part of the meet up group. There are some pictures posted at http://geek.meetup.com/2/photos/450928/5738036/#5738036 (I even wore my Fedora t shirt) ~Karlie Karlie Robinson wrote: > A brief FYI that I'll be taking the XO to a ROCGeeks Meet-up [1] on > Saturday. > I'll be doing show and tell with the machine as well as talking about > G1G1 and the Fedora install option. > ~Karlie > [1] http://rocgeeks.com/ From fugolini at fedoraproject.org Sat Oct 4 21:10:02 2008 From: fugolini at fedoraproject.org (Francesco Ugolini) Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2008 23:10:02 +0200 Subject: [Ambassadors] Re: XO demo Saturday in Rochester NY In-Reply-To: <48E7D9C9.9020500@webpath.net> References: <48E4BC7C.8010905@webpath.net> <48E7D9C9.9020500@webpath.net> Message-ID: 2008/10/4 Karlie Robinson : > Brief Follow-up. > The meet-up went well. There were about a dozen people in attendance. > Linux, Mac and Win users > > The XO laptops were front and center and I believe almost everyone had a > chance to use one if they wanted to. > I discussed the XO, it's basic functions, the concept of OLPC and Fedora's > involvement with the project. > I even had to show the machine to people in the shop who weren't part of the > meet up group. > There are some pictures posted at > http://geek.meetup.com/2/photos/450928/5738036/#5738036 (I even wore my > Fedora t shirt) > > ~Karlie > Great to hear! Thank you for this report Francesco Ugolini From david at gnsa.us Sun Oct 5 00:50:36 2008 From: david at gnsa.us (David Nalley) Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2008 20:50:36 -0400 Subject: [Ambassadors] Event Report: Southern Wesleyan University In-Reply-To: <48e7b179.0936640a.7711.ffff9009@mx.google.com> References: <48e7b179.0936640a.7711.ffff9009@mx.google.com> Message-ID: On Sat, Oct 4, 2008 at 2:09 PM, Kam wrote: > David, did they contact you to present at this event? > No, I've had to reach out to every educational institution that I've talked to. I have had some ask me, but I've passed those opportunities along to others who are geographically closer to the schools in question. From david at gnsa.us Sun Oct 5 00:54:18 2008 From: david at gnsa.us (David Nalley) Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2008 20:54:18 -0400 Subject: [Ambassadors] Re: XO demo Saturday in Rochester NY In-Reply-To: <48E7D9C9.9020500@webpath.net> References: <48E4BC7C.8010905@webpath.net> <48E7D9C9.9020500@webpath.net> Message-ID: On Sat, Oct 4, 2008 at 5:02 PM, Karlie Robinson wrote: > Brief Follow-up. > The meet-up went well. There were about a dozen people in attendance. > Linux, Mac and Win users > > The XO laptops were front and center and I believe almost everyone had a > chance to use one if they wanted to. > I discussed the XO, it's basic functions, the concept of OLPC and Fedora's > involvement with the project. > I even had to show the machine to people in the shop who weren't part of the > meet up group. > There are some pictures posted at > http://geek.meetup.com/2/photos/450928/5738036/#5738036 (I even wore my > Fedora t shirt) > > ~Karlie > Outstanding Karlie - thanks for doing this. One question though - was there any interest in getting involved with OLPC from the attendees or just users wanting to see technology? Thanks, David Nalley From thomas.canniot at mrtomlinux.org Sun Oct 5 08:05:49 2008 From: thomas.canniot at mrtomlinux.org (Thomas Canniot) Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2008 10:05:49 +0200 Subject: [Ambassadors] REMINDER French Meeting today 1830 #fedora-meeting Message-ID: <20081005100549.74ec7bf5@mrtomlinux.org> This mail is a reminder for today?s meeting for French ambassadors and _every_ interested people. 2008-10-05 / 18:30 UTC IRC: freenode #fedora-meeting Ce mail est un rappel pour la r?union des ambassadeurs francophones, qui aura lieu ce dimanche (05 oct.) ? 20h30 heure de Paris sur IRC (freenode) #fedora-meeting . L'ordre du jour est disponible depuis cette page : http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/FrenchTeam/Reunions N'h?sitez pas ? le modifier pour rajouter des sujets qui vous semblent int?ressants. 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Their conversation included the adventure of standing inline for iPhones, so I leaned more towards Give 1, Get 1 as a way to get involved. I'm hoping to get the XO's out to the LUG where I should be able to get more into how to help. I'm also exploring RIT and the other colleges in Rochester about show and tell in their IT departments. From opossum1er at fedoraproject.org Sun Oct 5 14:26:15 2008 From: opossum1er at fedoraproject.org (Carlos Vassalo (opossum1er)) Date: Sun, 05 Oct 2008 16:26:15 +0200 Subject: [Ambassadors] Ambassadors Polo Shirts EMEA In-Reply-To: <51061.VwBUX1dRCno=.1222934900.squirrel@webmail.no-log.org> References: <48E3EC09.7030109@fedoraproject.org> <51061.VwBUX1dRCno=.1222934900.squirrel@webmail.no-log.org> Message-ID: <1223216775.3603.42.camel@lap1.lusonet.selfip.org> Le jeudi 02 octobre 2008 ? 10:08 +0200, Mathieu Bridon (bochecha) a ?crit : > I won't be at FAD EMEA, I have no idea if I'll be at FOSDEM, but I'd love > to have an Ambassador poloshirt. Should I add my details on this page ? Me too, and we have more french ambassadors in this situation. > There might be more ordered pieces if people not going to those events > could order some :) Maybe we can group orders for all french ambassadors that are interested. It would be great if all french ambassadors could wear their polo during the F10 install party on december in Paris. Regards -- Carlos Vassalo (opossum1er) French fedora Ambassador opossum1er at fedoraproject.org PGP fingerprint : 1E38 D153 476F C831 0CF6 0A6A 2E7A 992F 8958 8851 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Oktober 2008 16:26:15 schrieb Carlos Vassalo (opossum1er): > Le jeudi 02 octobre 2008 ? 10:08 +0200, Mathieu Bridon (bochecha) a > ?crit : > > I won't be at FAD EMEA, I have no idea if I'll be at FOSDEM, but I'd love > > to have an Ambassador poloshirt. Should I add my details on this page ? > Me too, and we have more french ambassadors in this situation. > > There might be more ordered pieces if people not going to those events > > could order some :) > Maybe we can group orders for all french ambassadors that are > interested. It would be great if all french ambassadors could wear their > polo during the F10 install party on december in Paris. Please point this to the Event Owner of F10 install party on december in Paris. We had produced recently PoloShirts for a french event https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Polo_france maybe we can set up another Stock for this event! 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URL: From makghosh at gmail.com Mon Oct 6 15:22:08 2008 From: makghosh at gmail.com (Arindam Ghosh) Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2008 20:52:08 +0530 Subject: [Ambassadors] Axis'08 Event report In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8990327d0810060822t40fd8688q55c21f5647a20d93@mail.gmail.com> Hi, On Fri, Oct 3, 2008 at 10:06 PM, susmit shannigrahi wrote: > > Event reports: > > [1] http://susmit.wordpress.com/2008/10/01/axis08-report-part-1-preprations/ > [2] http://susmit.wordpress.com/2008/10/03/axis%e2%80%9908-report-part-2-event/ > [3] http://subhodipbiswas.wordpress.com/2008/10/03/axis-08-detailed-report/ > And here's my event report: [ http://arindamghosh.wordpress.com/2008/10/04/axis08-event-report/ ] Axis'08 was a great event and hope it becomes even better! > Photos: > > [1] http://www.flickr.com/photos/makghosh/tags/axis/ > cheers, Arindam -- Arindam Ghosh Fedora Ambassador [http://arindamghosh.wordpress.com] GPG Key: 0EE58920 Key Server: http://pgp.mit.edu From herlo1 at gmail.com Tue Oct 7 15:47:33 2008 From: herlo1 at gmail.com (Clint Savage) Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2008 09:47:33 -0600 Subject: [Ambassadors] [Reminder] FAMNA Meeting @ 2008-10-07 9pm EDT Message-ID: Clint Savage, this is a reminder for FAMNA Meeting 2008-10-07 9pm EDt irc.freenode.net #fedora-meeting Just a quick reminder that we'll be holding our weekly meeting in #fedora-meeting (irc.freenode.net) tonight at 9pm EDT (01:00 UTC) If you are interested in participating, or have something to contribute, feel free to add it to our agenda http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/Meetings/2008-10-07 See you all there. Cheers, Clint From sebastiancobaleda at hotmail.com Tue Oct 7 21:53:38 2008 From: sebastiancobaleda at hotmail.com (Juan Sebastian Cobaleda Cano) Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2008 16:53:38 -0500 Subject: [Ambassadors] i want to be a ambassador member Message-ID: _________________________________________________________________ Explore the seven wonders of the world http://search.msn.com/results.aspx?q=7+wonders+world&mkt=en-US&form=QBRE From jyulliano at gmail.com Tue Oct 7 22:07:28 2008 From: jyulliano at gmail.com (Jyulliano Rocha) Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2008 19:07:28 -0300 Subject: [Ambassadors] i want to be a ambassador member In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <9b8fa6100810071507t7199ae6dn6f9841372c2fba2a@mail.gmail.com> ??? 2008/10/7, Juan Sebastian Cobaleda Cano : > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Explore the seven wonders of the world > http://search.msn.com/results.aspx?q=7+wonders+world&mkt=en-US&form=QBRE > > > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > -- Jyulliano Rocha -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lajjr at yahoo.com Tue Oct 7 22:32:51 2008 From: lajjr at yahoo.com (Leo Jackson) Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2008 15:32:51 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Ambassadors] i want to be a ambassador member In-Reply-To: <9b8fa6100810071507t7199ae6dn6f9841372c2fba2a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <526677.59479.qm@web84307.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Jyulliano, Go to https://admin.fedoraproject.org/accounts/user/new Create an account after that verify it. login to your account then update it gpg ssh and any other info for you. read and sign a cla with your gpg if you agree to it. Login upper right top of screen login if you missed it. On left click join group the a's will pop up ambassador click on join there you go... I will send you an invite might be better... Leo Albert Jackson Jr Owner Head Programmer LJ's Electronics and Software --- On Tue, 10/7/08, Jyulliano Rocha wrote: > From: Jyulliano Rocha > Subject: Re: [Ambassadors] i want to be a ambassador member > To: fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > Date: Tuesday, October 7, 2008, 6:07 PM > ??? > > 2008/10/7, Juan Sebastian Cobaleda Cano > : > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Explore the seven wonders of the world > > > http://search.msn.com/results.aspx?q=7+wonders+world&mkt=en-US&form=QBRE > > > > > > -- > > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > > > > > > -- > Jyulliano Rocha > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list From heqichen at yahoo.com.cn Wed Oct 8 02:14:51 2008 From: heqichen at yahoo.com.cn (=?gb2312?q?=BA=CE=E7=F7=B3=BD?=) Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2008 10:14:51 +0800 (CST) Subject: [Ambassadors] prolem about SSH key In-Reply-To: <526677.59479.qm@web84307.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <801613.86800.qm@web15002.mail.cnb.yahoo.com> hi all, i meet with a porblem when i submit a certificate. when i log in my fedora account, I receive a message that "You have not submitted an SSH key, some Fedora resources require an SSH key. Please submit yours by editing My Account Download a client-side certificate " but after i submit the certificate(file name is gencert) in My Account, an error message occur... Error! The following error(s) have occured with your request: * ssh_key: Error - Not a valid RSA SSH key: Certificate: How can i submit the ssh key? Thank you HE Qichen 2008-10-8 --------------------------------- ???????????? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lajjr at yahoo.com Wed Oct 8 04:01:35 2008 From: lajjr at yahoo.com (Leo Jackson) Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2008 21:01:35 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Ambassadors] problem about SSH key In-Reply-To: <801613.86800.qm@web15002.mail.cnb.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <837101.19016.qm@web84303.mail.re1.yahoo.com> ??????Qichen, ??????????????????? ????????????????? ??vi ~/.ssh/id_rsa?????????????????? If you are logged in on account details you see edit click on it. You go to browse find file on your local system. Or vi ~/.ssh/id_rsa copy text to text box next to browse and save. ????????????????????????????????? ??errored????????ssh?ssh-keygen - t rsa? ??????? ???cert gencert.htm cp gencert.htm ~/.fedora.cert You only need certificate on your system if you plan to be a maintainer When you login you get certificate. If errored follow direction above to put ssh in ssh-keygen -t rsa . Once you get it in. you get a cert gencert.htm cp gencert.htm ~/.fedora.cert Leo Albert Jackson Jr Owner Head Programmer LJ's Electronics and Software --- On Tue, 10/7/08, ??? wrote: > From: ??? > Subject: [Ambassadors] prolem about SSH key > To: fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > Date: Tuesday, October 7, 2008, 10:14 PM > hi all, > i meet with a porblem when i submit a certificate. > when i log in my fedora account, I receive a message that > "You have not submitted an SSH key, some Fedora > resources require an SSH key. Please submit yours by editing > My Account Download a client-side certificate " > > but after i submit the certificate(file name is gencert) in > My Account, an error message occur... > > Error! > The following error(s) have occured with your request: > * ssh_key: Error - Not a valid RSA SSH key: > Certificate: > > How can i submit the ssh key? > Thank you > > HE Qichen > 2008-10-8 > > > > > --------------------------------- > ????????????-- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list From azneita at fedoraproject.org Wed Oct 8 05:32:48 2008 From: azneita at fedoraproject.org (Heherson Pagcaliwagan) Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2008 13:32:48 +0800 Subject: [Ambassadors] prolem about SSH key In-Reply-To: <801613.86800.qm@web15002.mail.cnb.yahoo.com> References: <526677.59479.qm@web84307.mail.re1.yahoo.com> <801613.86800.qm@web15002.mail.cnb.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <928156be0810072232m463b7bf3h1307b832d5616c40@mail.gmail.com> How can i submit the ssh key? > Please follow this -> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Cryptography#Creating_SSH_Keys. By default, your new private and public keys will be stored in ~/.ssh/id_rsaand ~/.ssh/id_rsa.pub, respectively. Upload ~/.ssh/id_rsa.pub. -- Heherson Pagcaliwagan http://project.azneita.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wariola at fedoraproject.org Wed Oct 8 09:31:00 2008 From: wariola at fedoraproject.org (syamsul anuar) Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2008 17:31:00 +0800 Subject: [Ambassadors] FOSS.my 2008 Message-ID: <6c8846340810080231j18295978tbd7ba2b722a18ad7@mail.gmail.com> Greetings All, The Open Source Community Malaysia will be hosting FOSS.my 2008 on the 8th and 9th of November 2008 (more info http://foss.my) to showcase the best of Open Source in Malaysia and the world. All of you are welcome to attend this event and hope to see you there! Fedora Ambassador Malaysia team will be hosting a booth during the event. As this is our first time doing any kind of event (as we are a quite small team compared to Ubuntu Malaysia team) we would like some suggestions, Live Media's (100-200 pcs would do) and any kind of assistance for the event. We are also unclear regarding the procedure to request any amount of money or other type of sponsorship / CDs. Our idea as of now is selling and giving away T-Shirts, Live USB demo / Revisor and some install fest. Would like more idea from the community regarding this matter. Kindly pls assist. -- .: war|ola :. Use Fedora Linux for better computing experience http://fedoraproject.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Hi, This list is definitely not the right place for this kind of question: see https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list for that or http://bugzilla.redhat.com ;). Regarding your problem, it has nothing to do with yum: xmms-mp3 is from Livna it requires xmms-lib of version 1.2.10 You have installed xmms-lib from the official fedora repositories and thus you have the version 1.2.11 The problem comes from Livna, not Yum neither Fedora. Finally, your printscreen did not need to be so big, the combination of alt+print screen would have taken only the terminal which was more than enough... You could also have just past the code into a text file... Best regards, Pierre From lajjr at yahoo.com Wed Oct 8 12:28:04 2008 From: lajjr at yahoo.com (Leo Jackson) Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2008 05:28:04 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Ambassadors] problem about SSH key In-Reply-To: <553369.85355.qm@web84308.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <436898.21896.qm@web84307.mail.re1.yahoo.com> yes .pub version only don't give the one without .pub to anyone. vi ~/.ssh/id_rsa.pub > From: Leo Jackson > Subject: Re: [Ambassadors] problem about SSH key > > Date: Wednesday, October 8, 2008, 8:25 AM > yes .pub version only don't give the one without .pub to > anyone. vi ~/.ssh/id_rsa.pub > > Leo Albert Jackson Jr > Owner Head Programmer > LJ's Electronics and Software > > > --- On Wed, 10/8/08, Leo Jackson > wrote: > > > From: Leo Jackson > > Subject: Re: [Ambassadors] problem about SSH key > > To: fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > > Date: Wednesday, October 8, 2008, 12:01 AM > > ??????Qichen, > > > > > ??????????????????? > > ????????????????? > ??vi > > > ~/.ssh/id_rsa?????????????????? > > > > If you are logged in on account details you see edit > click > > on it. You go to browse find file on your local > system. Or > > vi ~/.ssh/id_rsa copy text to text box next to browse > and > > save. > > > > > ????????????????????????????????? > > ??errored????????ssh?ssh-keygen > - t > > rsa? ??????? ???cert gencert.htm > cp > > gencert.htm ~/.fedora.cert > > > > You only need certificate on your system if you plan > to be > > a maintainer > > When you login you get certificate. If errored follow > > direction above to put ssh in ssh-keygen -t rsa . Once > you > > get it in. you get a cert gencert.htm cp gencert.htm > > ~/.fedora.cert > > > > Leo Albert Jackson Jr > > Owner Head Programmer > > LJ's Electronics and Software > > > > > > --- On Tue, 10/7/08, ??? > > wrote: > > > > > From: ??? > > > Subject: [Ambassadors] prolem about SSH key > > > To: fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > > > Date: Tuesday, October 7, 2008, 10:14 PM > > > hi all, > > > i meet with a porblem when i submit a > certificate. > > > when i log in my fedora account, I receive a > message > > that > > > "You have not submitted an SSH key, some > Fedora > > > resources require an SSH key. Please submit yours > by > > editing > > > My Account Download a client-side certificate > " > > > > > > but after i submit the certificate(file name is > > gencert) in > > > My Account, an error message occur... > > > > > > Error! > > > The following error(s) have occured with your > > request: > > > * ssh_key: Error - Not a valid RSA SSH key: > > > Certificate: > > > > > > How can i submit the ssh key? > > > Thank you > > > > > > HE Qichen > > > 2008-10-8 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > > > ????????????-- > > > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > > > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > > > > > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > > > > -- > > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list From harish.pillay at gmail.com Wed Oct 8 13:26:01 2008 From: harish.pillay at gmail.com (Harish Pillay) Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2008 21:26:01 +0800 Subject: [Ambassadors] FOSS.my 2008 In-Reply-To: <6c8846340810080231j18295978tbd7ba2b722a18ad7@mail.gmail.com> References: <6c8846340810080231j18295978tbd7ba2b722a18ad7@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: war|ola - Hi. I can arrange for some F9 LiveCDs to be shipped from here, Red Hat Singapore. F10 might already be out by then, but F9 could still be useful. Do email me privately your shipping address. Thanks. -- Harish Pillay h.pillay at ieee.org gpg id: 746809E3 fingerprint: F7F5 5CCD 25B9 FC25 303E 3DA2 0F80 27DB 7468 09E3 From david at gnsa.us Wed Oct 8 14:19:56 2008 From: david at gnsa.us (David Nalley) Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2008 10:19:56 -0400 Subject: [Ambassadors] problem about SSH key In-Reply-To: <837101.19016.qm@web84303.mail.re1.yahoo.com> References: <801613.86800.qm@web15002.mail.cnb.yahoo.com> <837101.19016.qm@web84303.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: PLEASE do not do that. id_rsa is your PRIVATE key, and we neither want to know its contents nor should you share them with anyone. id_rsa.pub is the public key. > > If you are logged in on account details you see edit click on it. You go to browse find file on your local system. Or vi ~/.ssh/id_rsa copy text to text box next to browse and save. From fugolini at fedoraproject.org Wed Oct 8 15:33:07 2008 From: fugolini at fedoraproject.org (Francesco Ugolini) Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2008 17:33:07 +0200 Subject: [Ambassadors] FOSS.my 2008 In-Reply-To: <6c8846340810080231j18295978tbd7ba2b722a18ad7@mail.gmail.com> References: <6c8846340810080231j18295978tbd7ba2b722a18ad7@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: 2008/10/8 syamsul anuar : > Fedora Ambassador Malaysia team will be hosting a booth during the event. As > this is our first time doing any kind of event (as we are a quite small team > compared to Ubuntu Malaysia team) we would like some suggestions, Live > Media's (100-200 pcs would do) and any kind of assistance for the event. We > are also unclear regarding the procedure to request any amount of money or > other type of sponsorship / CDs. See events in http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FedoraEvents. To guarantee a better resources management we ask people to add their event one month before the beginning of the Fiscal Quarter it would be hold. I'm really sorry not to be able to process your resources request just because we need to plan our budget on a Quartely base (Q3 is from Spetember to November). I can suggest you to ask APAC contacts to get some help for medias (CDs and DVDs) and the other stuff you are going to offer. Maybe try to contact Susmit and the other APAC main contacts. I'm sure your event will be great and you'll understand our budget policy. Hoping to give you more help in the future. Francesco Ugolini From aacosta at fedoraproject.org Wed Oct 8 17:42:48 2008 From: aacosta at fedoraproject.org (Alejandro Acosta) Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2008 11:42:48 -0600 Subject: [Ambassadors] Event report - Festival GNU 08 Message-ID: <6ad0ab20810081042v3ccb1f7bq218a321c248c7756@mail.gmail.com> It is my pleasure and joy to announce that Festival GNU 08 has come to an end with excellent results. This has been a 3 day event with conferences and discussions about free software with a special approach to our local community - Chihuahua. My report in now published [1] and I hope to receive from the community the more honest and constructive feedback since this is my first event as an ambassador. I did mention it in the report but still I'd like to thank to the people who supported me with advices and resources. Specially Rodrigo, Rahul, Nicu and Juan Manuel. And also thanks to everyone of you for participating in this great project. Hoping for the next event to start soon, please receive all my affection and gratitude. Viva Fedora !!! Alejandro Acosta [1] http://alejandroacosta.com/eventos -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From affix at FedoraProject.org Wed Oct 8 18:36:15 2008 From: affix at FedoraProject.org (Keiran Smith) Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2008 19:36:15 +0100 Subject: [Ambassadors] Problem with Yum In-Reply-To: <48EC981F.6090203@pingoured.fr> References: <7cb778c60810080356m5026f5c3t456f954a19094a07@mail.gmail.com> <48EC981F.6090203@pingoured.fr> Message-ID: On Wed, Oct 8, 2008 at 12:23 PM, Pierre-Yves wrote: > Rishikesh Sharma wrote: > >> Hi All, >> >> I am not sure whether this is the right place to inform this yum problem. >> But I want to highlight the issue regarding Fedora yum. Everything was >> working fine before i update my system. After updating my system just 10 >> minutes (Oct 8, 4:14 IST) ago, i am not able to install xmms-mp3 for >> Fedora. >> I have attached a screenshot for the problem. Please rectify this on >> priority. >> > > Hi, > > This list is definitely not the right place for this kind of question: see > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list for that or > http://bugzilla.redhat.com ;). > > Regarding your problem, it has nothing to do with yum: > xmms-mp3 is from Livna > it requires xmms-lib of version 1.2.10 > You have installed xmms-lib from the official fedora repositories and thus > you have the version 1.2.11 > > The problem comes from Livna, not Yum neither Fedora. > > Finally, your printscreen did not need to be so big, the combination of > alt+print screen would have taken only the terminal which was more than > enough... You could also have just past the code into a text file... > > Best regards, > > Pierre > > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > Might not be the place but that says XMMS is already installe try yum uninstall xmms-mp3 -y Then Reinstall. If you want MP3 try rythmbox and do the following yum install gstreamer-plugins-ugly -y Will install all the PLugins for restricted Media -- - Fedora Ambasador - - Free Software Foundation Associate - Join the FSF as an Associate Member at: http://www.fsf.org/register_form?referrer=6705 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fab at fedoraproject.org Wed Oct 8 20:47:50 2008 From: fab at fedoraproject.org (Fabian Affolter) Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2008 22:47:50 +0200 Subject: [Ambassadors] FAmSCo Meeting - IRC Log 2008-10-08 Message-ID: <48ED1C76.60202@fedoraproject.org> HTML version of the log is here: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/SteeringCommittee/Meetings/2008-10-08 Raw log is here: So, roll call: fabian_a: thank you AndreasRau FrancescoUgolini JeffreyTadlock FabianAffolter Great, first of all I want to thank all of you for your attention I've to be sincere when I say that I had no time to write the Weekly report but sincerely this week there weren't so bidg discussions or topic discussed ok, that's the meeting's agenda: 1. Budget 2. FAmSCo Election 2. Release Parties updates For the budget side there isn't anything special JohnBabich - better late than never jmbuser: no problem, you are in time Currently the reimbursmets are going well enough and we are received good reports by events owner Unfortunately Max is currently holding a meeting and he isn't able to attend this meeting. But I'm sure that the complete situation Any question from the budget side? I have to add only a small thing: actually many people who want to hold an event in Q3 but they post their request in the previous week couldn't be able to get resources from FAmSCo I'm sorry with that, just because our goal is to satisfy the Ambassadors interest, but we have to guarantee continuity and we have to respect the Budget and FY schedules I'm sorry with all the people, but I hope everyone will understand. It seems burocracy but it's the only way to get resources eof Anything to say? 3 2 1 MrTom: have you something to say about budget? or can we talk about the next topic? no i did not have time to look at it by the way move on MrTom: no problem thanks 2. FAmSCo Election I'm sure it's the best time to discuss about this topic You probably noticed this one in Fedora Advisory List and Marketing List too and I'm sure it's one of the most crucial community activity each year I want, with your support, to define something e.g. helping figure out a schedule proposal to send to Fedora Board ? and just try to organize something to help Ambassadors understanding the importance of the election AndreasR: we were voted by the board.. how could we help.. that's an boardissue in my eyes.. or do I understand something wrong eof AndreasR: I think as part of Fedora we need to help the Board taking this decision just because it's a FAmSCo chair duty to call for election ! after have discussed with all the others FAmSCo members AndreasR: ahhh okay.. eof :) I think board have to steer this process because it's the first time we have a more than one project elections I see there are several *SCo and part of the board and I'm sure it could help keeping people interested by elections stickster: anything yet decided for elections? stickster: sorry if I'm disturbing you, just to have some waypoints to follow Ok, just move one Anything to say from that perspective? Personally I replied to FAdvisory List giving my personal opinion fugolini, yes i hope they are not till january because here in the USA we are up to our noses in elections a perfect election have to be hold in the late november, first weeks of december (just before cristhmas) Southern_Gentlem: ah ok just perfect totally disagree why? same reason listed above ! yes i know the fedora elections are small to national elections but i am already have election burnout Southern_Gentlem: I didn't notice the US elections so, you are right jmbuser: * fugolini know there will be US elections, just didn't think about it for *SCos elections Likewise, I'm trying how to vote absentee ballot - big distraction, but a good one to figure out how, that is EOF jmbuser, i thought that had to be in on last monday Depends on the home state ah ok so, do you agree with me let Board schedule everything, maybe we could just give our opinion in Advisory list if needed ok? +1 +1 +1 Ok, so this will be our move towards the Fedora elections Last, known, topic: 2. Release Parties updates There aren't big updates since the last week I think it would be better to add this topic to FWN and maybe asking to add this activity in the Press Release Maybe in the release week Is there (#fedora-meeting) someone who is working on Press Release? ping quaid fugolini: pong quaid: are you the person in charge of Press Release? shared with Paul, etc., yes quaid: first of all thank you and sorry for the ping np quaid: Could be possible to say something about release events? stickster is working on the formal, from Red Hat press release I know a press release must be brief and effective ah ok I'm working on the talking points for the informal release announcements so, definitely a good one to add to the release announcement talking points I'm unsure about the formal press release, but +1 from me to the idea quaid: thank you, a talking point could be great too quaid: thank you for the time and for the answer So, anything to say about this topic? 3 2 1 0 Ok, anything to add for this meeting? I just finished all the official discussion topics Any important communication from APAC, LATAM, NA, EMEA ? 3 ! jm jmbuser: I'm sorry to say that I can't make GITEX 2008 in Dubai this month - too much $DAYJOB activity EOF jmbuser: absolutely no problem. Everyone here have to do what he/she can do I hope next year you'll be able to be there eof Anything else? 2 1 0 == Meeting Adjourned == -- Fingerprint: 2F6C 930F D3C4 7E38 6AFA 4EB4 E23C D2DD 36A4 397F Fedora always leads and never follows. From kam at kamsalisbury.com Wed Oct 8 22:20:05 2008 From: kam at kamsalisbury.com (Kam Salisbury) Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2008 18:20:05 -0400 Subject: [Ambassadors] December08 FC10 Release Party in Philadelphia Message-ID: <7b7b00ef0810081520x4d6c765ck803563f84073edd4@mail.gmail.com> The Philadelphia Pennsylvania USA Linux Meetup group, http://linux.meetup.com/432/ is glad to host the December 2008 Fedora Core 10 Release and Demo/Install Fest! 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Pizzas and drinks will be generally available. Anyone who'd like to participate online will find us on #fedora-el on Freenode. Saturday evening we'll go to a remote village to eat fresh steaks. Accommodation for Saturday night is available to anyone who might need it. -d -- Dimitris Glezos Jabber ID: glezos at jabber.org, GPG: 0xA5A04C3B http://dimitris.glezos.com/ "He who gives up functionality for ease of use loses both and deserves neither." (Anonymous) -- From david at gnsa.us Thu Oct 9 02:51:08 2008 From: david at gnsa.us (David Nalley) Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2008 22:51:08 -0400 Subject: [Ambassadors] RFP: SITE 2009--Technology & Teacher Ed. Call (Charleston, SC): Due Oct. 17 Message-ID: I'd like for us to submit a paper to this, perhaps akin to what we did with CUE. ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: AACE-SITE Annoucements Date: Wed, Oct 8, 2008 at 10:46 PM Subject: SITE 2009--Technology & Teacher Ed. Call (Charleston, SC): Due Oct. 17 To: EDUCTECH at listserv.uh.edu ______________________________________________________ >> Call for Participation Deadline: October 17 << ** Join with 1,200+ Colleagues from 50 Countries ** * Please forward to a colleague * http://site.aace.org/conf/ ______________________________________________________ SITE 2009 Society for Information Technology and Teacher Education International Conference March 2-6, 2009 * Charleston, South Carolina (Embassy Suites Hotel/Convention Center) CALL FOR PARTICIPATION ** Submissions Due: Oct. 17, 2008 ** Organized by Society for Information Technology and Teacher Education (SITE) http://site.aace.org/ and Association for the Advancement of Computing in Education (AACE) http://www.aace.org/ ______________________________________________________________ ** What are your colleagues saying about SITE conferences? ** http://site.aace.org/conf/testimonials.htm COLOR POSTER--SITE 2009 CALL FOR PARTICIPATION Available to Print & Distribute (PDF to print; 200kb) http://site.aace.org/conf/pdf/SITE09poster.pdf _____________________________________________________ ** NEW FOR SITE 2009 ** Submit Your Full Paper for Publication in the New Book-- "Research Highlights in Technology and Teacher Education 2009" http://site.aace.org/conf/researchbook.htm SITE 2009 will offer for the first time an alternative Full Paper submission category. 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Deadlines: http://site.aace.org/conf/deadlines.htm INVITATION: SITE 2009 is the 20th annual conference of the Society for Information Technology and Teacher Education. This society represents individual teacher educators and affiliated organizations of teacher educators in all disciplines, who are interested in the creation and dissemination of knowledge about the use of information technology in teacher education and faculty/staff development. SITE is a society of AACE. You are invited to participate in this international forum which offers numerous opportunities to explore the research, development, and applications in this important field. All proposals are peer reviewed. SITE is the premiere international conference in this field and annually attracts more than 1,200 leaders in the field from over 50 countries. ----------------------- To submit a proposal, complete the online form at: http://site.aace.org/conf/submitguide.htm For Presentation and AV guidelines, see: http://site.aace.org/conf/PresenterLounge ------------------------- PROGRAM ACTIVITIES: * Keynote Speakers * Invited Panels/Speakers * Papers (Full & Brief) * Posters/Demonstrations * Corporate Showcases & Demonstrations * Tutorials/Workshops * Roundtables * Symposia SCOPE: The Conference invites proposals from the introductory through advanced level on all topics related to: (1) the use of information technology in teacher education, and (2) instruction about information technology in * Preservice * Inservice * Graduate Teacher Education * Faculty & Staff Development Proposals which address the theory, research and applications as well as describe innovative projects are encouraged. MAJOR TOPICS GENERAL TOPICS: * Assessment and E-folios * Corporate * Development of Future Faculty * Digital Video * Distance/Flexible Education * Electronic Playground * Equity and Social Justice * Evaluation and Research * Games and Simulations * Graduate Education and Faculty Development * Information Literacy * Information Technology Diffusion/Integration * International Education * Latino/Spanish Speaking Community * Leadership * New Possibilities with Information Technologies * Web/Learning Communities * Workforce Education CONTENT AREA TOPICS: * Art Education * Assistive Technologies * Early Childhood Education * English Education * Human Languages Education * Information Technology Education * NSF ITEST: Innovative Technology Experiences for Teachers and Students (US Gov. Funded Projects) * Mathematics Education * Middle School Education * Science Education * Social Studies Education * Special Education/Assistive Technology * Technological, Pedagogical, And Content Knowledge (TPACK) PT3: US Dept. of Ed. PT3: Preparing Tomorrow's Teachers to Use Technology (US Gov. Funded Projects) Submissions in each of these areas will be blind reviewed primarily by the members of the SIG (Special Interest Group) corresponding to the topic chosen. For information on each SITE SIG, see: http://site.aace.org/sigs/ PRESENTATION CATEGORIES: http://site.aace.org/conf/categories.htm The Technical Program includes a wide range of interesting and useful activities designed to facilitate the exchange of ideas and information. These include keynote and invited talks, paper presentations, roundtables, poster/demonstrations, tutorials/workshops, panels, and corporate showcases. PROCEEDINGS: http://www.EdITLib.org Accepted papers will be published by AACE in the Technology and Teacher Education Annual proceedings series. Books in this series serve as major source documents indicating the current state of teacher education and information technology. This proceedings will be published as a searchable electronic book on CD-ROM. The Annuals are internationally distributed through and archived in the Education and Information Technology Digital Library, http://www.EdITLib.org. First and second paper authors are limited to two papers published in the Annual. PAPER AWARDS: http://site.aace.org/pubs/ All presented papers will be considered for Best Paper Awards within several categories. Award winning papers may be invited for publication in the: - Journal of Technology and Teacher Education (JTATE) (http://site.aace.org/pubs/jtate/) or - Online journal, Contemporary Issues in Technology & Teacher Education (CITE) (http://www.citejournal.org/), Highlighted in the: - AACE online periodical AACE Journal (http://www.aace.org/pubs/aacej/), and EdITLib--Education and Information Technology Digital Library, http://www.EdITLib.org. CORPORATE PARTICIPATION: http://site.aace.org/conf/corporate.htm A variety of opportunities are available to present research-oriented papers, or to showcase and market your products and services. For information about Corporate Showcases (30 minutes) and Corporate Demonstrations (2-hours, scheduled with the Poster/Demos), click here. FOR BUDGETING PURPOSES: http://site.aace.org/conf/rates.htm http://site.aace.org/conf/hotel.htm The conference registration fee for all presenters and participants will be approximately $295 (members); $340 (non-members). Registration includes Proceedings on CD, receptions, and all sessions except tutorials. The conference hotel (Embassy Suites Hotel/Convention Center) specially discounted guest room rate is $155 (single/double). http://site.aace.org/conf/hotel.htm CHARLESTON, SOUTH CAROLINA: Where History Lives--Indulge, Play, and Explore! http://site.aace.org/conf/cities/charleston For more information about Charleston, South Carolina, USA see: http://www.charlestoncvb.com/ DEADLINES: Proposals Due: Oct. 17, 2008 Authors Notified: Nov. 26, 2008 Proceedings File Due: Jan. 21, 2009 Early Registration: Jan. 21, 2009 Hotel Reservation: Jan. 29, 2009 Conference: Mar. 2-6, 2009 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To be added to the mailing list for this conference, link to http://www.aace.org/info.htm If you have a question about SITE, please send an e-mail to SITE/AACE Conference Services, conf at aace.org Contact: SITE--Society for Information Technology and Teacher Education P.O. Box 1545 Chesapeake, Virginia 23327 USA Phone: 757-366-5606 * Fax: 703-997-8760 E-mail: conf at aace.org * http://site.AACE.org ======================================================== To Unsubscribe from this listserv, send "unsubscribe eductech" to listserv at listserv.uh.edu; to Subscribe, send "subscribe eductech your_name" to the same address. From aaadewunmi at yahoo.com Thu Oct 9 12:03:24 2008 From: aaadewunmi at yahoo.com (Adewunmi Adebolatan) Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2008 05:03:24 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Ambassadors] fedora event in nigeria Message-ID: <294471.6939.qm@web56807.mail.re3.yahoo.com> I am planning on holding an awareness program on fedora open source utilization and its benefits compared to proprietory software. the awareness program will be targeted at ICT-inclined undergraduate and postgraduate students in the Lagos State University. Undergraduates are the future ICT decision formulators. I presently work n the Lagos State University, ICT Center as a Network Administrator. All our servers run on open-source platform. I need to know how to get funding for the materials e.g. live CDs and DVDs and other promotional kits that I will be using for the event. Adebolatan Adewunmi; B.sc,CCNP,MCP From fugolini at fedoraproject.org Thu Oct 9 14:47:31 2008 From: fugolini at fedoraproject.org (Francesco Ugolini) Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2008 16:47:31 +0200 Subject: [Ambassadors] fedora event in nigeria In-Reply-To: <294471.6939.qm@web56807.mail.re3.yahoo.com> References: <294471.6939.qm@web56807.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: 2008/10/9 Adewunmi Adebolatan : > I am planning on holding an awareness program on fedora open source utilization and its benefits compared to proprietory software. the awareness program will be targeted at ICT-inclined undergraduate and postgraduate students in the Lagos State University. > > Undergraduates are the future ICT decision formulators. > > I presently work n the Lagos State University, ICT Center as a Network Administrator. All our servers run on open-source platform. > > I need to know how to get funding for the materials e.g. live CDs and DVDs and other promotional kits that I will be using for the event. > > Adebolatan Adewunmi; B.sc,CCNP,MCP Ok, first of all in order to be qualified to get resources you have to hold your event in Q4 (December - February) or later, just because Q3 (September - November) was closed on August. After you have to add your event in http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FedoraEvents so that we can take care of your request. It's highly suggested to create your own event page with all the details, and how much are you asking. After those passages you have to wait the beginning of Q4, if you are planning your event in that quarter, to see IF and How Much FAmSCo would able to give you (it depends on the quantity of events and the amount of the request). That's all the process, I hope everything is clear. I want to thank you for holding this event in Africa, it's really important to be present everywhere and guarantee a global coverage. I hope we could help you in that process. Best regards Francesco Ugolini From fugolini at fedoraproject.org Thu Oct 9 14:54:03 2008 From: fugolini at fedoraproject.org (Francesco Ugolini) Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2008 16:54:03 +0200 Subject: [Ambassadors] RFP: SITE 2009--Technology & Teacher Ed. Call (Charleston, SC): Due Oct. 17 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: 2008/10/9 David Nalley : > I'd like for us to submit a paper to this, perhaps akin to what we did with CUE. Yeah, it sounds a good event. If you need something please feel free to ask here. Best regards Francesco Ugolini From christoph.wickert at googlemail.com Fri Oct 10 02:57:47 2008 From: christoph.wickert at googlemail.com (Christoph Wickert) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 04:57:47 +0200 Subject: [Ambassadors] URGENT: XO needed for an event in Germany Message-ID: <1223607467.3465.6.camel@wicktop.localdomain> Sorry, I'm a little late with this, but I have been informed about the event yesterday. :( Can anybody from the German ambassadors borrow me an XO for the "I-Party", an Cross-Distro-Linux install party here in M?nster, which is held on Oct. 19th? If so, please contact me off-list, so we can check the details. TIA Christoph From danishka at gmail.com Fri Oct 10 15:34:26 2008 From: danishka at gmail.com (Danishka Navin) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 21:04:26 +0530 Subject: [Ambassadors] Fedora implementations around the world Message-ID: Folks, Appreciate if you can list out major fedora implementations around the world. 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Rahul From mahayalamkhan at gmail.com Sat Oct 11 03:27:52 2008 From: mahayalamkhan at gmail.com (mak) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 15:27:52 -1200 Subject: [Ambassadors] Re: F10 Release Party Bangladesh - Budget Preview In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: 2008/9/30 mak > Dear List, > It's our Eid holiday > (like Christmas) is going on. I was busy arranging/buying gifts for my > family and was unable to send my F10 Release Party Budget preview withing > the given time frame. Though I'm sending this in this hope, if FAmSCO > considers my event since I had arranged a successful F9 release party and > have enlisted my event (in the wiki) prior to Q3 Budget draft. > > Just a recap of F9 Release party, > we had more than 60 enthusiast joined the party. We had distributed DVD, had > live USB stick creation station, had 3 talks/presentation, QA, had > soft-drinks only without any snacks. Printed Digital banners and have had > sent event report to this list. > > This time we are expecting approx. 100 Fedora lovers. The venue is in midst > of two universities (Dhaka university and Bangladesh University of > Engineering and Technology) which will definitely attract more presence, and > moreover the venue is free of cost (as Francesco Ugolini suggested). We are > thinking of 100 T-Shirts, which would cost 2 US$ if made locally. > > The draft budget preview: > Banner / Flyer / Sticker - 50 US$ > Blank DVD for burning (100 pcs) - 50 US$ > T-Shirt (100 pcs) - 200 US$ > Drink / Snacks (1 US$ per head) - 100 US$ > > The total would be around within 400 US$ approx. > I get to know from the FAmSCo meeting minutes, that Bangladesh F10 Release party would get 200 US$. I would like to ask if it is possible for anyone concerned (Harish Pillay?!) staying at Singapore to give it to me at Singapore Changi airport tomorrow. I'm returning back to Bangladesh from Cambodia (met the KhemrOS ppl) via Changi and will have a 8 hour transit there. I am requesting this, cause it will be easier, rather than sending the money to Bangladesh. Regards Mak gpg key: 4FDD30FB Fedora Ambassador Bangladesh -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From harish.pillay at gmail.com Sat Oct 11 04:49:07 2008 From: harish.pillay at gmail.com (Harish Pillay) Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2008 12:49:07 +0800 Subject: [Ambassadors] Re: F10 Release Party Bangladesh - Budget Preview In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: >> It's our Eid holiday (like Christmas) is going on. I was busy >> arranging/buying gifts for my family and was unable to send my F10 Release >> Party Budget preview withing the given time frame. Though I'm sending this >> in this hope, if FAmSCO considers my event since I had arranged a successful >> F9 release party and have enlisted my event (in the wiki) prior to Q3 Budget >> draft. >> >> Just a recap of F9 Release party, we had more than 60 enthusiast joined >> the party. We had distributed DVD, had live USB stick creation station, had >> 3 talks/presentation, QA, had soft-drinks only without any snacks. Printed >> Digital banners and have had sent event report to this list. >> >> This time we are expecting approx. 100 Fedora lovers. The venue is in >> midst of two universities (Dhaka university and Bangladesh University of >> Engineering and Technology) which will definitely attract more presence, and >> moreover the venue is free of cost (as Francesco Ugolini suggested). We are >> thinking of 100 T-Shirts, which would cost 2 US$ if made locally. >> >> The draft budget preview: >> Banner / Flyer / Sticker - 50 US$ >> Blank DVD for burning (100 pcs) - 50 US$ >> T-Shirt (100 pcs) - 200 US$ >> Drink / Snacks (1 US$ per head) - 100 US$ >> >> The total would be around within 400 US$ approx. > > I get to know from the FAmSCo meeting minutes, that Bangladesh F10 Release > party would get 200 US$. I would like to ask if it is possible for anyone > concerned (Harish Pillay?!) staying at Singapore to give it to me at > Singapore Changi airport tomorrow. I'm returning back to Bangladesh from > Cambodia (met the KhemrOS ppl) via Changi and will have a 8 hour transit > there. > > I am requesting this, cause it will be easier, rather than sending the money > to Bangladesh. Send me private email please. -- Harish Pillay h.pillay at ieee.org gpg id: 746809E3 fingerprint: F7F5 5CCD 25B9 FC25 303E 3DA2 0F80 27DB 7468 09E3 From thomas.canniot at mrtomlinux.org Sun Oct 12 08:23:03 2008 From: thomas.canniot at mrtomlinux.org (Thomas Canniot) Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2008 10:23:03 +0200 Subject: [Ambassadors] REMINDER French Meeting today 1830 #fedora-meeting Message-ID: <20081012102303.59bafdb6@mrtomlinux.org> This mail is a reminder for today?s meeting for French ambassadors and _every_ interested people. 2008-10-12 / 18:30 UTC IRC: freenode #fedora-meeting Ce mail est un rappel pour la r?union des ambassadeurs francophones, qui aura lieu ce dimanche (12 oct.) ? 20h30 heure de Paris sur IRC (freenode) #fedora-meeting . L'ordre du jour est disponible depuis cette page : http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/FrenchTeam/Reunions N'h?sitez pas ? le modifier pour rajouter des sujets qui vous semblent int?ressants. 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Message-ID: <48F221CC.7030703@fedoraproject.org> Ladies and gentlemen, Don't you remember there is an EMEA Ambassador meeting next Wednesday (Europe, the Middle East, and Africa) on #fedora-meeting ? Day : Wednesday, October 15th, 2008 Time : 20:00 UTC (check http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?day=15&month=10&year=2008&hour=20&min=0&sec=0&p1=0 to know your own time depending on your countries) Channel : #fedora-meeting Meeting agenda (add your topic before the meeting please) : http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/Meetings/2008-10-15 Update your agendas, and don't forget to join us. Kind regards, Fabian -- Fingerprint: 2F6C 930F D3C4 7E38 6AFA 4EB4 E23C D2DD 36A4 397F Fedora always leads and never follows. From eerpini at gmail.com Mon Oct 13 14:34:16 2008 From: eerpini at gmail.com (Satish Eerpini) Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 20:04:16 +0530 Subject: [Ambassadors] (no subject) Message-ID: <93655eb70810130734v461e4784xd825bb4453d92d@mail.gmail.com> -- http://satish.playdrupal.com From eerpini at gmail.com Mon Oct 13 14:37:35 2008 From: eerpini at gmail.com (Satish Eerpini) Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 20:07:35 +0530 Subject: [Ambassadors] Fedora 10 [beta] Screenshots Message-ID: <93655eb70810130737y677b578bs2e688a16b7af1e79@mail.gmail.com> I upgraded from Fedora 8 to Fedora 10 beta (yeah , i was excited , couldn't wait for the stable release ;-)) ..... I was spellbound by the way i could toss around my MPlayer screen with Compiz active , .... i took a few screenshots and here they are : on Flickr : http://www.flickr.com/photos/22772039 at N08/ the original article on my blog : http://satish.playdrupal.com/?q=node/65 DIGG it here : http://digg.com/linux_unix/Fedora_10_BETA_Screenshots_2 -- http://satish.playdrupal.com From eerpini at gmail.com Mon Oct 13 14:41:12 2008 From: eerpini at gmail.com (Satish Eerpini) Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 20:11:12 +0530 Subject: [Ambassadors] (no subject) In-Reply-To: <93655eb70810130734v461e4784xd825bb4453d92d@mail.gmail.com> References: <93655eb70810130734v461e4784xd825bb4453d92d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <93655eb70810130741s3edc467dy789f838a4b612c35@mail.gmail.com> i am extremely sorry for this , .. i was sending a mail with subject "Fedora 10 [beta] Screenshots " , and somehow ended up sending a blank email , ... i am extremely sorry ! Satish On 10/13/08, Satish Eerpini wrote: > -- > http://satish.playdrupal.com > > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > -- http://satish.playdrupal.com From dimitris at glezos.com Mon Oct 13 19:35:20 2008 From: dimitris at glezos.com (Dimitris Glezos) Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 22:35:20 +0300 Subject: [Ambassadors] Re: Fedora 10 hackfest in Greece In-Reply-To: <6d4237680810081547y25759392y9c2ef02f52e8fd9e@mail.gmail.com> References: <6d4237680810081547y25759392y9c2ef02f52e8fd9e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <6d4237680810131235k7d6794ebqd88ce66e117ecca@mail.gmail.com> 2008/10/9 Dimitris Glezos : > On the weekend of 11 and 12 of October, the Greek Fedora team will be > having a workshop in Patras, Greece, for the upcoming release of > Fedora 10. The weekend will be devoted to coding, testing, > documenting, translating, marketing etc for the November release. The > goal of the event is: "Get stuff done". > > Depending on the people attending, the goals will be decided on the > spot, however, it's pretty certain we'll work on testing Fedora 10 on > OLPC, Greek and Brazilian Portuguese translations for Fedora 10, and > organization of Fedora's presence at Athens Digital Week. > > The hackfest will begin on Saturday, 9am and end on Sunday 7pm. Pizzas > and drinks will be generally available. Anyone who'd like to > participate online will find us on #fedora-el on Freenode. Saturday > evening we'll go to a remote village to eat fresh steaks. > Accommodation for Saturday night is available to anyone who might need > it. Here's a machine-translation of my blog post about the whole event: http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fdimitris.glezos.com%2Fweblog%2F2008%2F10%2F13%2Ff10-el-hackfest-recap%2F&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&sl=el&tl=en Had some good hacking, lots of Fedora-related discussions, new contributors, and some Fedora-buzz in the Greek hacker community. Overall a success, from what I feel and hear. Good vibes, lots of fun. -? -- Dimitris Glezos Jabber ID: glezos at jabber.org, GPG: 0xA5A04C3B http://dimitris.glezos.com/ "He who gives up functionality for ease of use loses both and deserves neither." (Anonymous) -- From loupgaroublond at gmail.com Tue Oct 14 04:55:08 2008 From: loupgaroublond at gmail.com (Yaakov Nemoy) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2008 00:55:08 -0400 Subject: [Ambassadors] CPOSC this weekend Message-ID: <7f692fec0810132155x482d0f8aw34b67fa1365ae359@mail.gmail.com> Hi List, I want to announce and remind everyone that the Central Pennsylvania Open Source Conference is going to be in Harrisburg PA (that's in the US) this coming Sunday. The CPOSC is open to all ends of the Open Source spectrum, from applications to low level hardware and a whole smattering of IT. Fedora will be sponsoring the event this year, and we'll be hosting a small table for all things Fedora as well. We currently are already staffed and have everything running on schedule (so far), and we have volunteers already for manning our table.. Still, we love seeing faces of Fedora users. If you want to come help out, show up wearing a Fedora T-shirt or your trusty Ambassador Polo. Todd M Zullinger mentioned that he would like to hold a relatively informal keysigning. If you want to participate, bring a copy of your PGP and some form of photo ID. There will be a get together of out of town guests and any locals with some free time Saturday, the night before. We'll be meeting at a bar/restaurant near the conference hall, although more details are to follow. Links: http://www.cposc.org/ I look forward to seeing you there! -Yaakov Nemoy From loupgaroublond at gmail.com Tue Oct 14 04:55:08 2008 From: loupgaroublond at gmail.com (Yaakov Nemoy) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2008 00:55:08 -0400 Subject: [Ambassadors] CPOSC this weekend Message-ID: <7f692fec0810132155x482d0f8aw34b67fa1365ae359@mail.gmail.com> Hi List, I want to announce and remind everyone that the Central Pennsylvania Open Source Conference is going to be in Harrisburg PA (that's in the US) this coming Sunday. The CPOSC is open to all ends of the Open Source spectrum, from applications to low level hardware and a whole smattering of IT. Fedora will be sponsoring the event this year, and we'll be hosting a small table for all things Fedora as well. We currently are already staffed and have everything running on schedule (so far), and we have volunteers already for manning our table.. Still, we love seeing faces of Fedora users. If you want to come help out, show up wearing a Fedora T-shirt or your trusty Ambassador Polo. Todd M Zullinger mentioned that he would like to hold a relatively informal keysigning. If you want to participate, bring a copy of your PGP and some form of photo ID. There will be a get together of out of town guests and any locals with some free time Saturday, the night before. We'll be meeting at a bar/restaurant near the conference hall, although more details are to follow. Links: http://www.cposc.org/ I look forward to seeing you there! -Yaakov Nemoy From kam at kamsalisbury.com Tue Oct 14 12:14:39 2008 From: kam at kamsalisbury.com (Kam) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2008 05:14:39 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Ambassadors] CPOSC this weekend Message-ID: <48f48d2f.17042c0a.2cab.ffff9266@mx.google.com> This is close to my location (Philadelphia PA USA) but I already have other plans. Will anyone on the list be at ITEC in Philadelphia this year? -- Kam http://kamsalisbury.com GPG key: FAF1751E -----Original Message----- From: "Yaakov Nemoy" Subj: [Ambassadors] CPOSC this weekend Date: Tue Oct 14, 2008 12:57 am Size: 1K To: "fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com" Hi List, I want to announce and remind everyone that the Central Pennsylvania Open Source Conference is going to be in Harrisburg PA (that's in the US) this coming Sunday. The CPOSC is open to all ends of the Open Source spectrum, from applications to low level hardware and a whole smattering of IT. Fedora will be sponsoring the event this year, and we'll be hosting a small table for all things Fedora as well. We currently are already staffed and have everything running on schedule (so far), and we have volunteers already for manning our table.. Still, we love seeing faces of Fedora users. If you want to come help out, show up wearing a Fedora T-shirt or your trusty Ambassador Polo. Todd M Zullinger mentioned that he would like to hold a relatively informal keysigning. If you want to participate, bring a copy of your PGP and some form of photo ID. There will be a get together of out of town guests and any locals with some free time Saturday, the night before. We'll be meeting at a bar/restaurant near the conference hall, although more details are to follow. Links: http://www.cposc.org/ I look forward to seeing you there! -Yaakov Nemoy -- Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list --- message truncated --- From herlo1 at gmail.com Tue Oct 14 15:00:55 2008 From: herlo1 at gmail.com (Clint Savage) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2008 09:00:55 -0600 Subject: [Ambassadors] =?utf-8?q?=5BReminder=5D_FAMNA_Meeting_=40_2008-10?= =?utf-8?q?-14_7pm_=E2=80=93_8pm_=28Personal=29?= In-Reply-To: <00151757357ce3d77c04592dcf32@google.com> References: <00151757357ce3d77c04592dcf32@google.com> Message-ID: This is a reminder for FAMNA Meeting 2008-10-14 9pm EDT irc.freenode.net #fedora-meeting (map) Just a quick reminder that we'll be holding our weekly meeting in #fedora-meeting (irc.freenode.net) tonight at 9pm EDT (01:00 UTC) Tonight's meeting will focus on the process involved in contributing to the Fedora Bug Triage Team (aka BugZappers) If you are interested in participating, or have something to contribute, feel free to add it to our agenda http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/Meetings/2008-10-14 See you all there. From eerpini at gmail.com Tue Oct 14 18:56:06 2008 From: eerpini at gmail.com (Satish Eerpini) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 00:26:06 +0530 Subject: [Ambassadors] Fedora Logo : with DVDs Message-ID: <93655eb70810141156q71ada584x250ce32792294d64@mail.gmail.com> Well this might be the height of how crazy i can get about Fedora , ... but here is something i tried out , .... i laid down all the Linux Distro DVDs i had onto my bed in the shape of the Fedora Logo ........ and took a snapshot of that ,..... it looks great ( atleast to my eyes ) , ...... The image is here http://satish.playdrupal.com/?q=node/67 ......... what i really wanted to clarify is , whether i can do such work , .. i mean representing the LOGO this way ?? what do u say guys ? Thanks Satish -- http://satish.playdrupal.com From kam at kamsalisbury.com Tue Oct 14 19:13:00 2008 From: kam at kamsalisbury.com (Kam) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2008 15:13:00 -0400 Subject: [Ambassadors] Fedora Logo : with DVDs Message-ID: <48f4ef84.478b260a.3e2c.08fe@mx.google.com> Neat picture! I am not sure about the usage rights part. -- Kam http://kamsalisbury.com GPG key: FAF1751E -----Original Message----- From: "Satish Eerpini" Subj: [Ambassadors] Fedora Logo : with DVDs Date: Tue Oct 14, 2008 3:03 pm Size: 708 bytes To: fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com Well this might be the height of how crazy i can get about Fedora , ... but here is something i tried out , .... i laid down all the Linux Distro DVDs i had onto my bed in the shape of the Fedora Logo ........ and took a snapshot of that ,..... it looks great ( atleast to my eyes ) , ...... The image is here http://satish.playdrupal.com/?q=node/67 ......... what i really wanted to clarify is , whether i can do such work , .. i mean representing the LOGO this way ?? what do u say guys ? Thanks Satish -- http://satish.playdrupal.com -- Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list From pcalarco at nd.edu Tue Oct 14 19:36:03 2008 From: pcalarco at nd.edu (Pascal Calarco) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2008 15:36:03 -0400 Subject: [Ambassadors] Fedora Logo : with DVDs In-Reply-To: <48f4ef84.478b260a.3e2c.08fe@mx.google.com> References: <48f4ef84.478b260a.3e2c.08fe@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <48F4F4A3.3030806@nd.edu> I'd say that this is different enough from the official Fedora logo that you could not use this and legally be able to call it Fedora or use it to represent Fedora, but I am no lawyer. I like you enthusiasm though, Satish! - pascal --- Pascal Calarco, MLIS Fedora Ambassador, Indiana USA Kam wrote: > Neat picture! > > I am not sure about the usage rights part. > > -- > Kam > http://kamsalisbury.com > GPG key: FAF1751E > > -----Original Message----- > > From: "Satish Eerpini" > Subj: [Ambassadors] Fedora Logo : with DVDs > Date: Tue Oct 14, 2008 3:03 pm > Size: 708 bytes > To: fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > > Well this might be the height of how crazy i can get about Fedora , > ... but here is something i tried out , .... i laid down all the > Linux Distro DVDs i had onto my bed in the shape of the Fedora Logo > ........ and took a snapshot of that ,..... it looks great ( atleast > to my eyes ) , ...... > The image is here http://satish.playdrupal.com/?q=node/67 ......... > > what i really wanted to clarify is , whether i can do such work , .. i > mean representing the LOGO this way ?? what do u say guys ? > > Thanks > Satish From gerold at lugd.org Tue Oct 14 19:42:27 2008 From: gerold at lugd.org (Gerold Kassube) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2008 21:42:27 +0200 Subject: [Ambassadors] Fedora Logo : with DVDs In-Reply-To: <48F4F4A3.3030806@nd.edu> References: <48f4ef84.478b260a.3e2c.08fe@mx.google.com> <48F4F4A3.3030806@nd.edu> Message-ID: <1224013347.2956.5.camel@F9NB.homenet.local> All issues are figured out at https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Logo/UsageGuidelines If you take care for this page, everything and everybody will be fine with it :-) Regards Gerold Am Dienstag, den 14.10.2008, 15:36 -0400 schrieb Pascal Calarco: > I'd say that this is different enough from the official Fedora logo that > you could not use this and legally be able to call it Fedora or use it > to represent Fedora, but I am no lawyer. > > I like you enthusiasm though, Satish! > > - pascal > --- > Pascal Calarco, MLIS > Fedora Ambassador, Indiana USA > > Kam wrote: > > Neat picture! > > > > I am not sure about the usage rights part. > > > > -- > > Kam > > http://kamsalisbury.com > > GPG key: FAF1751E > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: "Satish Eerpini" > > Subj: [Ambassadors] Fedora Logo : with DVDs > > Date: Tue Oct 14, 2008 3:03 pm > > Size: 708 bytes > > To: fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > > > > Well this might be the height of how crazy i can get about Fedora , > > ... but here is something i tried out , .... i laid down all the > > Linux Distro DVDs i had onto my bed in the shape of the Fedora Logo > > ........ and took a snapshot of that ,..... it looks great ( atleast > > to my eyes ) , ...... > > The image is here http://satish.playdrupal.com/?q=node/67 ......... > > > > what i really wanted to clarify is , whether i can do such work , .. i > > mean representing the LOGO this way ?? what do u say guys ? > > > > Thanks > > Satish > > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > -- Gerold Kassube -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Thanks Satish On 10/15/08, Gerold Kassube wrote: > All issues are figured out at > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Logo/UsageGuidelines > > If you take care for this page, everything and everybody will be fine > with it :-) > > Regards > > Gerold > > > Am Dienstag, den 14.10.2008, 15:36 -0400 schrieb Pascal Calarco: >> I'd say that this is different enough from the official Fedora logo that >> you could not use this and legally be able to call it Fedora or use it >> to represent Fedora, but I am no lawyer. >> >> I like you enthusiasm though, Satish! >> >> - pascal >> --- >> Pascal Calarco, MLIS >> Fedora Ambassador, Indiana USA >> >> Kam wrote: >> > Neat picture! >> > >> > I am not sure about the usage rights part. >> > >> > -- >> > Kam >> > http://kamsalisbury.com >> > GPG key: FAF1751E >> > >> > -----Original Message----- >> > >> > From: "Satish Eerpini" >> > Subj: [Ambassadors] Fedora Logo : with DVDs >> > Date: Tue Oct 14, 2008 3:03 pm >> > Size: 708 bytes >> > To: fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com >> > >> > Well this might be the height of how crazy i can get about Fedora , >> > ... but here is something i tried out , .... i laid down all the >> > Linux Distro DVDs i had onto my bed in the shape of the Fedora Logo >> > ........ and took a snapshot of that ,..... it looks great ( atleast >> > to my eyes ) , ...... >> > The image is here http://satish.playdrupal.com/?q=node/67 ......... >> > >> > what i really wanted to clarify is , whether i can do such work , .. i >> > mean representing the LOGO this way ?? what do u say guys ? >> > >> > Thanks >> > Satish >> >> -- >> Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list >> Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list >> > -- > Gerold Kassube > -- http://satish.playdrupal.com From eerpini at gmail.com Tue Oct 14 20:31:31 2008 From: eerpini at gmail.com (Satish Eerpini) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 02:01:31 +0530 Subject: [Ambassadors] Sponsorship for the Technical Event in UVCE, Bangalore, INDIA In-Reply-To: <1224014998.2956.10.camel@F9NB.homenet.local> References: <1224014998.2956.10.camel@F9NB.homenet.local> Message-ID: <93655eb70810141331j44634d64m68e8b206a7e00573@mail.gmail.com> Hey apart from the official support from Fedora , i think if you are really planning to promote Linux(Fedora) , ... you can distribute free copies of the installation media ,..... what say ?? and Gerold ,... that was by far one of the best replies i have seen ;-) !..... Regards Satish On 10/15/08, Gerold Kassube wrote: > Hi back :-) > > to be honest, please follow the "Guidelines" as every contributor > (should) do, fell free and knock at the correct desk :-) > > Details are here: > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FedoraEvents/Organization > > Soonest reply .... > > Friendly yours > > Gerold > > > > Am Mittwoch, den 15.10.2008, 01:31 +0530 schrieb SatyaSagar: >> Hi, >> >> Pursuing my graduation from UVCE(University Visvesvaraya College of >> Engineering), Bangalore, INDIA, I am currently involved in organizing >> the INSPIRON, a technical and entrepreneurship extravagance; scheduled >> in the 2nd week of November. I would like to take this opportunity to >> familiarize the Open-Source Product (Linux). Can i expect anything in >> form of Sponsorships or rather Goodies/Freebies for the Technical >> Event Participants. Please reply as soon as possible. >> >> -- >> Regards, >> SatyaSagar Bhat >> +91 98 4455 9393 >> >> -- >> Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list >> Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > -- > Regards > > Gerold Kassube > Fedora Ambassador > > Deutschland / Germany > Schweiz / Switzerland > Email: GeroldKa at fedoraproject.org > > 1024D/F33128B9 4ABC A903 F1F4 D9CC C422 AACA EDF1 DF42 F331 28B9 > -- http://satish.playdrupal.com From jkeating at redhat.com Tue Oct 14 22:17:22 2008 From: jkeating at redhat.com (Jesse Keating) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2008 15:17:22 -0700 Subject: [Ambassadors] Linux Fest Northwest 2009 Message-ID: <1224022642.4122.37.camel@luminos.localdomain> http://linuxfestnorthwest.org/ I go to this event every year. I have done this for a number of years, both before I joined RH and after as well, traveling as far as from Boston. This year I'm back in the Pacific Northwest, and I'll be going again. However I would like to see a stronger Fedora presence than me giving a couple talks and lots of fans in the audience. A table, some goodies in the grab bags, some Fedora sponsored or themed talks, etc... However, I lack the amount of time to be able to coordinate such an effort, so I'm looking for an Ambassador volunteer to help lead this. I'll try to support as much as possible, including acting as a familiar laison to the LFNW folks, providing some logistical support, etc.. We're quite a few months away from the event, but that should give us plenty of time to plan and budget it. Thanks for your help! -- Jesse Keating Fedora -- Freedom? is a feature! identi.ca: http://identi.ca/jkeating -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I showed them http://irc.freenode.com and the channel for fedora and open source etc. I have been trying to get all pictures together but to no avail I will post up dates with pictures and possible the video on my site and link to it from here. We want to do this again soon, and we have a Penn state campus up here. I would like to go the computers labs and Vo-tech as well that deal with IT and computer software and programming. I would also like to add high schools to this as well. Leo Albert Jackson Jr Owner Head Programmer LJ's Electronics and Software From lajjr at yahoo.com Wed Oct 15 15:50:29 2008 From: lajjr at yahoo.com (Leo Jackson) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 08:50:29 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Ambassadors] The Event in Scranton Pa Message-ID: <592017.28669.qm@web84303.mail.re1.yahoo.com> To All, I had a event in Scranton Oct 9 - 13 2008, but no one showed on the 13 but all good it wasn't listed in the newspaper add due to holiday. I received disks for the Admins 75 total 50 x86 DVD install 25 x86 live . The whole event was 429 people from two local colleges up here U of S and Marywood We spoke of open source and fedora OLPC it was great. Yesterday I was worn out due to fix and to get the systems running they were coming till almost 12 midnight 11:50 exactly. Today some of the same. I showed them http://irc.freenode.com and the channel for fedora and open source etc. I have been trying to get all pictures together but to no avail I will post up dates with pictures and possible the video on my site and link to it from here. We want to do this again soon, and we have a Penn state campus up here. I would like to go the computers labs and Vo-tech as well that deal with IT and computer software and programming. I would also like to add high schools to this as well. Leo Albert Jackson Jr Owner Head Programmer LJ's Electronics and Software From bpowell01 at gmail.com Wed Oct 15 15:55:47 2008 From: bpowell01 at gmail.com (Brian Powell) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 11:55:47 -0400 Subject: =?UTF-8?Q?Re:_[Ambassadors]_[Reminder]_FAMNA_Mee?= =?UTF-8?Q?ting_@_2008-10-14_7pm_=E2=80=93_8pm_(Personal)?= In-Reply-To: <287432.30102.qm@web84307.mail.re1.yahoo.com> References: <287432.30102.qm@web84307.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <96365e610810150855kb7c4fe3p5862259e7e4e4990@mail.gmail.com> On Wed, Oct 15, 2008 at 11:48 AM, Leo Jackson wrote: > To All, > > I had a event in Scranton Oct 9 - 13 2008, but no one showed on the 13 but all good it wasn't listed in the newspaper add due to holiday. I received disks for the Admins 75 total 50 x86 DVD install 25 x86 live . The whole event was 429 people from two local colleges up here U of S and Marywood We spoke of open source and fedora OLPC it was great. Yesterday I was worn out due to fix and to get the systems running they were coming till almost 12 midnight 11:50 exactly. Today some of the same. I showed them http://irc.freenode.com and the channel for fedora and open source etc. I have been trying to get all pictures together but to no avail I will post up dates with pictures and possible the video on my site and link to it from here. We want to do this again soon, and we have a Penn state campus up here. I would like to go the computers labs and Vo-tech as well that deal with IT and computer software and programming. I would also like to add high schools > to this as well. > > Leo Albert Jackson Jr > Owner Head Programmer > LJ's Electronics and Software > > > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > Leo, In the future if you have any events planned and you would like or need help with it from another Ambassador give me some heads up on it and I may be able to make the trip down to help you out, if you want or need it. My wife and I still have family in PA and I can turn it into a mini vacation. -- Regards, BrianPowell http://fedoraproject.org From fugolini at fedoraproject.org Wed Oct 15 17:07:34 2008 From: fugolini at fedoraproject.org (Francesco Ugolini) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 19:07:34 +0200 Subject: [Ambassadors] FADNA2008, some links Message-ID: I'm sorry if I didn't collect all the links when they appeared in the planet, just let me post the ones I found: they made me wonder how beautiful and amazing was this event: http://vwbusguy.wordpress.com/2008/10/15/ohio-linuxfest/ http://jtadlock.wordpress.com/2008/10/14/fadna-report/ http://jbwillia.wordpress.com/2008/10/14/fadna/ http://jbwillia.wordpress.com/2008/10/14/hello-world/ http://www.nalley.sc/david/?p=112 http://jtadlock.wordpress.com/2008/10/13/ohio-linux-fest-2008-report/ If there are missing links, please send them! I think from an Ambassador point of view that FADs are really important and offer a way to meet the other people and share with them your passion, your knowledge and your vision of all the things connected with it. Reading this posts I see people enjoyed this event: I want to congratulate with all attendees, both ambassadors and contributors, who helped make it happen. Best regards Francesco Ugolini From pcalarco at nd.edu Wed Oct 15 17:18:14 2008 From: pcalarco at nd.edu (Pascal Calarco) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 13:18:14 -0400 Subject: [Ambassadors] FADNA2008, some links In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <48F625D6.50101@nd.edu> One more report to add: http://pascalcalarco.wordpress.com/2008/10/13/ohio-linuxfest-the-strength-of-community/ It really was a great event to get so many Ambassadors there working together for Fedora! I plan to make OLF an annual destination for me professionally. - pascal Francesco Ugolini wrote: > I'm sorry if I didn't collect all the links when they appeared in the > planet, just let me post the ones I found: they made me wonder how > beautiful and amazing was this event: > > http://vwbusguy.wordpress.com/2008/10/15/ohio-linuxfest/ > > http://jtadlock.wordpress.com/2008/10/14/fadna-report/ > > http://jbwillia.wordpress.com/2008/10/14/fadna/ > http://jbwillia.wordpress.com/2008/10/14/hello-world/ > > http://www.nalley.sc/david/?p=112 > > http://jtadlock.wordpress.com/2008/10/13/ohio-linux-fest-2008-report/ > > If there are missing links, please send them! > > I think from an Ambassador point of view that FADs are really > important and offer a way to meet the other people and share with them > your passion, your knowledge and your vision of all the things > connected with it. > > Reading this posts I see people enjoyed this event: I want to > congratulate with all attendees, both ambassadors and contributors, > who helped make it happen. > > Best regards > > Francesco Ugolini From herlo1 at gmail.com Wed Oct 15 17:20:36 2008 From: herlo1 at gmail.com (Clint Savage) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 11:20:36 -0600 Subject: [Ambassadors] FADNA2008, some links In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Wed, Oct 15, 2008 at 11:07 AM, Francesco Ugolini wrote: > I'm sorry if I didn't collect all the links when they appeared in the > planet, just let me post the ones I found: they made me wonder how > beautiful and amazing was this event: > > http://vwbusguy.wordpress.com/2008/10/15/ohio-linuxfest/ > > http://jtadlock.wordpress.com/2008/10/14/fadna-report/ > > http://jbwillia.wordpress.com/2008/10/14/fadna/ > http://jbwillia.wordpress.com/2008/10/14/hello-world/ > > http://www.nalley.sc/david/?p=112 > > http://jtadlock.wordpress.com/2008/10/13/ohio-linux-fest-2008-report/ > > If there are missing links, please send them! http://sexysexypenguins.com/2008/10/12/fad-na-day-1/ http://sexysexypenguins.com/2008/10/12/olf-day-1-fadna-day-1/ http://sexysexypenguins.com/2008/10/11/ohio-linux-fest-day-0-fadna-day-2/ > I think from an Ambassador point of view that FADs are really > important and offer a way to meet the other people and share with them > your passion, your knowledge and your vision of all the things > connected with it. > > Reading this posts I see people enjoyed this event: I want to > congratulate with all attendees, both ambassadors and contributors, > who helped make it happen. > Francesco, FADNA was great and thank you for the letter too. Cheers, Clint From bpowell01 at gmail.com Wed Oct 15 18:20:18 2008 From: bpowell01 at gmail.com (Brian Powell) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 14:20:18 -0400 Subject: [Ambassadors] FADNA2008, some links In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <96365e610810151120s6c0f0275t5fc9f4266db50929@mail.gmail.com> On Wed, Oct 15, 2008 at 1:20 PM, Clint Savage wrote: > On Wed, Oct 15, 2008 at 11:07 AM, Francesco Ugolini > wrote: >> I'm sorry if I didn't collect all the links when they appeared in the >> planet, just let me post the ones I found: they made me wonder how >> beautiful and amazing was this event: >> >> http://vwbusguy.wordpress.com/2008/10/15/ohio-linuxfest/ >> >> http://jtadlock.wordpress.com/2008/10/14/fadna-report/ >> >> http://jbwillia.wordpress.com/2008/10/14/fadna/ >> http://jbwillia.wordpress.com/2008/10/14/hello-world/ >> >> http://www.nalley.sc/david/?p=112 >> >> http://jtadlock.wordpress.com/2008/10/13/ohio-linux-fest-2008-report/ >> >> If there are missing links, please send them! > > http://sexysexypenguins.com/2008/10/12/fad-na-day-1/ > http://sexysexypenguins.com/2008/10/12/olf-day-1-fadna-day-1/ > http://sexysexypenguins.com/2008/10/11/ohio-linux-fest-day-0-fadna-day-2/ > >> I think from an Ambassador point of view that FADs are really >> important and offer a way to meet the other people and share with them >> your passion, your knowledge and your vision of all the things >> connected with it. >> >> Reading this posts I see people enjoyed this event: I want to >> congratulate with all attendees, both ambassadors and contributors, >> who helped make it happen. >> > > Francesco, FADNA was great and thank you for the letter too. > > Cheers, > > Clint > > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > I'll add one more. http://blog.rhatters.org/2008/10/12/olf-and-fadna-summary/ -- Regards, BrianPowell http://fedoraproject.org http://wnylug.org From tymensk at yahoo.com Wed Oct 15 20:42:21 2008 From: tymensk at yahoo.com (Samuel Teyemensah) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 13:42:21 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Ambassadors] meeting time Message-ID: <395772.13222.qm@web55603.mail.re4.yahoo.com> can someone please give me the time and channel for the EMEA meeting of the fedora ambassadors. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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B-82 65 79 41 Directores: Michael Cunningham, Charlie Peters y David Owens Direcci?n Registrada: Red Hat S.L., C/ Velazquez 63, Madrid 28001, Espa?a Direcci?n contacto: C/Jose Bardasano Baos, 9, Edif. Gorbea 3, Planta 3?D, 28016 Madrid, Spain From fab at fedoraproject.org Wed Oct 15 21:00:15 2008 From: fab at fedoraproject.org (Fabian Affolter) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 23:00:15 +0200 Subject: [Ambassadors] meeting time In-Reply-To: <27407479.30461224103772215.JavaMail.iranzo@Deneb.no-ip.org> References: <27407479.30461224103772215.JavaMail.iranzo@Deneb.no-ip.org> Message-ID: <48F659DF.70007@fedoraproject.org> Pablo Iranzo G?mez wrote: > It was 49 minutes ago at #fedora-meeting http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/Meetings Fabian -- Fingerprint: 2F6C 930F D3C4 7E38 6AFA 4EB4 E23C D2DD 36A4 397F Fedora always leads and never follows. From tymensk at yahoo.com Wed Oct 15 21:03:24 2008 From: tymensk at yahoo.com (Samuel Teyemensah) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 14:03:24 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Ambassadors] Did the EMEA ambassoadors meeting take place today Message-ID: <520524.79837.qm@web55602.mail.re4.yahoo.com> Did the EMEA meeting come on today, because I have been at #fedora-meeting since 8:04 pm and there seem to be no meeting taking place -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fab at fedoraproject.org Wed Oct 15 21:08:01 2008 From: fab at fedoraproject.org (Fabian Affolter) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 23:08:01 +0200 Subject: [Ambassadors] Ambassadors Meeting EMEA - IRC Log 2008-10-15 Message-ID: <48F65BB1.1060409@fedoraproject.org> HTML version of the log is here: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/Meetings/2008-10-15/HTML_Log Raw log is here: Let's have Fedora Ambassadors Meeting EMEA. it's time :) Roll call, please Max Christoph Wickert Steven Moix Henrik Heigl Felix Kaechele Fabian Affolter Simon Wesp wonderer1: did you get those tshirts from fabian_a ? wonderer1: sorry i couldn't send them out myself spevack: not right now, but he said its on the way. thx. spevack: np. CDs are allready here ;-) wonderer01: the package was delivered to Gerold last wednesday Just a reminder. We'll still follow our meeting protocol to make this meeting quick and efficient. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/IRCHowTo#Protocol Now, please open our meeting page at http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/Meetings/2008-10-15 for the agenda. Report current status of FAmSCo fugolini: ping so, we skip this if spevack have no objections normally i would jump in with an update from famsco myself but i have been traveling the last week and a half (in Raleigh), so I missed the meeting and I'm a little bit behind. but i know the F10 release parties are being finalized and budget is also moving along I do have one request for everyone If you have had an event this quarter (since September 1) and not gotten me your requests for reimbursement yet, please do so this week. I want to try to get everything up to date with the budget. thanks! EOF i will keep that in mind Current status of Fedora Events (passed & upcoming), passed first anybody? about OpenExpo, please visit http://fabaff.blogspot.com/2008/09/openexpo-2008-winterthur-collection.html for the collection sure ! spevack, i was at OpenExpo with Fabian * spevack looks for his blog post !! Sorry I'm late! (JensKuehnel) http://spevack.livejournal.com/66777.html It was a good event from the perspective of seeing several community members -- we had some good discussions, and pre-meeting for FAD topics (like LinuxTag) I think everyone would have liked to see more traffic overall at OpenExpo yesterday I spoke to 30 university students in The Hague University and that went really well i think we will get a few new contributors, I hope. tomorrow I am going to Athens, and I will be there until Saturday. Athens Digital Week invited me to give a keynote speech, which is on Friday I will see Dimitris Glezos as well. and i will see the Parthenon :) EOF ! moixs, Nothing really fancy, but I gave a Fedora presentation in my university of applied sciences (HEIG-VD, part of the HES-SO) It was done instead of an Ubuntu one, and around 20 people got to install Fedora Note: they are still using RedHat 9 in the IT labs eof moixs: thanks if there is nothing else about past events in EMEA, let's move on to the upcoming events ! ! wonderer1, Only small announcement: next weekend, 18th Oct. is the Linuxinfotag in Landau, germany. I'll be there with a little booth and some stuff. if anybody wants to attend, come in :) its also linked on the upcoming wiki page. eof wonderer1: thanks so far we have still no confirmation about LinuxDay in Austria. I'm working on this and I hope to fix it soon red_alert sent some details about the FAD EMEA to all attendees anything else about any upcoming event? ! cwickert, we have "I-Party" this weekend here in M?nster, a linux install party with different distributions. ! ! I wonder if any of the german ambassadors can borrow me an XO, because last year we had huge interest in it ! not much more to say: I don't need a budget, I don't need posters, I have everything I need spevack, eof Just wanted to remind folks again how important it is to make sure your FAD EMEA details are all in on the wiki. eof Karl_le_Rouge, then jenskuehnel 17-18th Oct, this is JDLL (Free Software Days) in Lyon (France), Fedora will be represented by 2 ambassadors (Beno?t Marcellin and myself) and some local users folks we will have also a booth eof EOF ! iranzo, Hi, I'm Pablo Iranzo, from Spain (sorry for the late start but was at dinner) we're planning to get an official mirror at university with RedIris networking ! they actually use it for internal deployment and after recent rains is not available, but plan to have it ready in order to coordinate it with a LUG presentation about F10 features) will post on list when everything is ready, both at lug and with mirroring eof iranzo: thanks wonderer1, I have asked Famsco about Budget for the systems2008 in munic (spevack), so I get no last-response (I know it was late and expensive) can I assume, that there will be no budget for this year? then I can move on with other projects and can better plan it for next year in detail... maybe max has new infos. eof i'm afraid there's just no budget for it, i'm sorry henrik. Ok, np. I only want to be shure. maybe next year :) eof :) before we open up the floor, just one thing ambassadors poloshirt... https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/PoloShirt * wonderer1 hopes that there will be available soon ;-) please add yourself to this list if you want one because we have to order soon. now, the stage is open there was a entry about moving the meeting time red? ! cassmodiah: ping fabian_a jea? jenskuehnel, Has anyone who asked for a XO recieved one? ! ! jenskuehnel: yes, cwickert. wonderer1: no, jens means something different ok, sorry. From the last round, I got my deny about 3-5 days ago. http://gregdek.livejournal.com/37425.html I was talking about test fedora10 on it. Thanks fabian_a that exactly heffer, then iranzo jenskuehnel, not me, but got two persons confirming being included, one at EMEA one in the States (sorry) just wanted to not that a deadline should be added to the polo shirt wikipage eof sorry, was answer for jenskuehnel two lines up. eof heffer: i'm in contact with kital about the shirt, he will place the oder * gregdek is still fighting to get shipping info. EOF ! wonderer1, gregdek: do you want me to get you a fedora polo shirt? I saw on the FAD EMEA page some things are not clear. Maybe red can later finish some things in detail, but maybe some folks can complete things. Just remind to look at the page. eof spevack: I'm good, dude. The wife won't let me have any more Fedora shirts. cassmodiah: about moving the meeting time for future meetings from UTC 20:00 to UTC 19:00 ! cassmodiah: go ahead i'm working from 4:00 to 13:00 (UTC +2) i have to stand up at 3:00. Meeting Time 22:00 (UTC +2) is a little problem for me. it would be a little bit better for me if we can move it without problems to 21:00 (UTC +2)... If there is a problem i will learn to life with it :-) * spevack will come to the meeting at any time ! eof the daylight saving will switch soon, but i personally think to go on with 22.00 cwickert, according to https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/FedoraMeetingChannel the channel is already occupied by the docs meeting at 19:00 utc eof ! cassmodiah, oh, sorry, i don't saw this. sorry... eof ! wonderer1, Only two small things: I saw at http://alejandroacosta.com/eventos these "plates" wich goes to all guys there. Maybe thats an idea for FAD Meetings (not for this year, but next year or so). * moixs has an exam tomorrow, going to bed If somebody think that could be a good idea, please tell me and I look who we can buidl such things and what this can/will cost, maybe as "Free as free beer" thingy. secodn: I just build some themes/wallpapers for my Blackberry for Events. If also somebody was interrested in one please tell me. thanks. eof Any more questions, remarks, or open issues before we close this meeting? Fedora Ambassadors Meeting EMEA 2008-10-15 has been adjourned. Next meeting in November 2008. -- Fingerprint: 2F6C 930F D3C4 7E38 6AFA 4EB4 E23C D2DD 36A4 397F Fedora always leads and never follows. From pravda013 at fedoraproject.org Thu Oct 16 04:30:02 2008 From: pravda013 at fedoraproject.org (Ferenc Pravda) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2008 06:30:02 +0200 Subject: [Ambassadors] Help to organize Fedora 10 release party and Fedora Install Fest in Vrsac , Serbia Message-ID: <5031e9cf0810152130t5ad01c5oc644319c6af1db8c@mail.gmail.com> Hello, I need to organize Event in Serbia for fedora, and i ask for a help. Can you please be able to help me? > > I'm sure you'll find useful the chapter "Organize the participation at > an event": this is a easy, well written, scheme that summarize the > core step in order to organize an event. - I am find out that is large interest about Fedora Event in Serbia, and i am yet finished that steps. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FedoraEvents#Europe.2C_Middle_East.2C_Africa_Q4 http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FedoraEvents/Serbia-Vrsac If is that OK what can i do more? It will be in Vrsac, place of Red Hat Regional Centre For Support, Research and Development in Serbia. Probable can i have some support from them to? :-) Please, i truly need a support. Best regards, Ferenc 2008/9/19 Francesco Ugolini : > 2008/9/19 Ferenc Pravda : >> Hello, >> >> I am novice in Fedora Ambassadors, and glad to become a member of >> Fedora Ambassadors Group. >> Just recently subscribed to the Ambassadors mailing list. >> > > Welcome on board! > >> My plans: >> >> I wish to become active in Ambassadors, because of that i join to the >> Ambassadors Group with large plans for Fedora Project in Serbia >> (Fedora Freemedia, Events, user support...etc) in appetite. In Serbia >> is a little number of Fedora users under 200 users, my plan is to >> enlarge Fedora community in Serbia soon trought FreeMedia, Local >> Marketing, Serbian Forums, Blogs...etc >> Therefore i wish to recruit additional users and trainee to enlarge community. > > That's the way to contribute. If you need help feel free to ask here too. > >> I have plan to join an Fedora Event (OpenExpo 2008 Zurich, but it is >> impossible to me. >> For the time being, i will be present at Fedora Events in Serbia. >> Maybe i will organize some Event in my city, and some othere city with >> your support. (introduction in Fedora 10, or else)?! > > Yes. It could be a nice way to start. > > I hope this link could help you organizing it: > > - http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FedoraEvents/Organization (actually > only in English, we hope to offer translations soon) > > I'm sure you'll find useful the chapter "Organize the participation at > an event": this is a easy, well written, scheme that summarize the > core step in order to organize an event. > > Tell me if you have other questions and concerns. > > Hoping to be helpful > > Regards > > Francesco Ugolini > > P.S. I will be absent from Sunday 21st to Sunday 28th > > -- From pravda013 at fedoraproject.org Thu Oct 16 04:31:34 2008 From: pravda013 at fedoraproject.org (Ferenc Pravda) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2008 06:31:34 +0200 Subject: [Ambassadors] Help to organize Fedora 10 release party and Fedora Install Fest in Vrsac , Serbia Message-ID: <5031e9cf0810152131p1bf9384ayb386b5554c42c393@mail.gmail.com> Hello, I need to organize Event in Serbia for fedora, and i ask for a help. Can you please be able to help me? > > I'm sure you'll find useful the chapter "Organize the participation at > an event": this is a easy, well written, scheme that summarize the > core step in order to organize an event. - I am find out that is large interest about Fedora Event in Serbia, and i am yet finished that steps. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FedoraEvents#Europe.2C_Middle_East.2C_Africa_Q4 http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FedoraEvents/Serbia-Vrsac If is that OK what can i do more? It will be in Vrsac, place of Red Hat Regional Centre For Support, Research and Development in Serbia. Probable can i have some support from them to? :-) Please, i truly need a support. Best regards, Ferenc 2008/9/19 Francesco Ugolini : > 2008/9/19 Ferenc Pravda : >> Hello, >> >> I am novice in Fedora Ambassadors, and glad to become a member of >> Fedora Ambassadors Group. >> Just recently subscribed to the Ambassadors mailing list. >> > > Welcome on board! > >> My plans: >> >> I wish to become active in Ambassadors, because of that i join to the >> Ambassadors Group with large plans for Fedora Project in Serbia >> (Fedora Freemedia, Events, user support...etc) in appetite. In Serbia >> is a little number of Fedora users under 200 users, my plan is to >> enlarge Fedora community in Serbia soon trought FreeMedia, Local >> Marketing, Serbian Forums, Blogs...etc >> Therefore i wish to recruit additional users and trainee to enlarge community. > > That's the way to contribute. If you need help feel free to ask here too. > >> I have plan to join an Fedora Event (OpenExpo 2008 Zurich, but it is >> impossible to me. >> For the time being, i will be present at Fedora Events in Serbia. >> Maybe i will organize some Event in my city, and some othere city with >> your support. (introduction in Fedora 10, or else)?! > > Yes. It could be a nice way to start. > > I hope this link could help you organizing it: > > - http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FedoraEvents/Organization (actually > only in English, we hope to offer translations soon) > > I'm sure you'll find useful the chapter "Organize the participation at > an event": this is a easy, well written, scheme that summarize the > core step in order to organize an event. > > Tell me if you have other questions and concerns. > > Hoping to be helpful > > Regards > > Francesco Ugolini > > P.S. I will be absent from Sunday 21st to Sunday 28th > > -- From inode0 at gmail.com Thu Oct 16 04:56:22 2008 From: inode0 at gmail.com (inode0) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 23:56:22 -0500 Subject: [Ambassadors] FAmNA Meeting Summary from 2008-10-15 Message-ID: inode0 was roped into leading the meeting. * Jon Stanley introduced us to the madness of bug triaging. We went over the process involved in joining the group, how to get started once the formalities are finished, how to find bugs to triage, identify low hanging bugs that beginners can process, where to get help on more advanced issues or just get some feedback that what you've done is correct. inode0 volunteered to be an example of a new bug triager and went through the process live during the meeting - triaging his first bug. Several of the ambassadors are going to triage some bugs this week and join the weekly triage meeting next week to report about our experience and have further discussion. * Ohio LinuxFest Report Several ambassadors reported on their impressions of OLF. Everyone was very pleased with event and especially with the buzz of constant activity at the Fedora booth. The first NA event box was in use and on display. In addition to the generous contribution of 4 XO laptops from OLPC it now looks like we have a commitment from HP to provide us with 4 2133 netbooks to also travel around the continent in our event boxes and be used at Fedora booths everywhere. Thanks OLPC and HP for your support. * Fedora Ambassador Day NA Several ambassadors also reported on the first FADNA event held mostly the day following OLF. I'm sure those of us lucky enough to attend this will look back fondly in years to come recalling it as a seminal moment in the NA ambassador program. We would encourage all to read the many blogs that have already hit the planet and this mailing list concerning details of the event. A collection of notes from the meetings is also available at https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FAD/FADNA2008#Meeting_Notes * Miscellaneous other business was discussed and the meeting adjourned. I would again like to thank all the participants, especially the new ambassadors joining us for the first time tonight and our guest speaker Jon Stanley. From inode0 at gmail.com Thu Oct 16 04:59:32 2008 From: inode0 at gmail.com (inode0) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 23:59:32 -0500 Subject: [Ambassadors] FAmNA Meeting Minutes from 2008-10-15 Message-ID: (08:00:15 PM) inode0: opa! opa! opa! (08:00:29 PM) pcalarco: lol (08:00:52 PM) herlo has changed the topic to: FAmNA Meeting, starts now! (08:01:22 PM) inode0: roll call (08:01:26 PM) pcalarco: PascalCalarco (08:01:33 PM) herlo: Clint Savage (08:01:44 PM) jimi_c: James Cammarata (08:01:46 PM) iWolf: JeffreyTadlock (though, daughter is crying, may just be lurking) (08:01:50 PM) ***DemonJester BrianPowell (08:01:50 PM) ***jds2001 (08:01:55 PM) jds2001: Jon Stanley (08:02:04 PM) ke4qqq: david nalley (08:02:59 PM) inode0: I'd like to start by extending out thanks to jds2001 for agreeing to speak with us about the bug triage efforts he is leading (08:03:23 PM) jds2001: not a problem :) (08:03:37 PM) inode0: jds2001: Would you give us an overview now of how folks get started zapping bugs? (08:04:02 PM) jds2001: sure, it's a tad unstructured (08:04:22 PM) jds2001: what basically needs to happen is get a FAS account (08:04:30 PM) jds2001: and apply for the 'fedorabugs' group (08:04:56 PM) ***jds2001 is a sponsor in that group, so I get mail every time someone does that. (08:05:06 PM) jds2001: and I go click the button. (08:05:20 PM) jds2001: then you can start going forth. (08:05:28 PM) jds2001: perhaps that's a tad *too* unstructured? (08:05:40 PM) herlo: going forth doing what? (08:05:43 PM) inode0: so I do that? how do I go forth? :) (08:05:51 PM) jds2001: oh, we have weekly meetings at 14:00UTC on Tuesdays (08:06:44 PM) jds2001: well we have wiki pages on how to do that (08:07:06 PM) jds2001: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/BugZappers/Joining (08:07:23 PM) inode0: one of the things we would like to learn is how to spot good triaging prospects for you (08:07:40 PM) jds2001: hmm, that's a tough oone (08:07:42 PM) inode0: what sort of characteristics should we look for? (08:07:59 PM) jds2001: folks that enjoy lots of work and getting flamed for it? :) (08:08:27 PM) jds2001: seriously, a good triagers would have some sort of experience (need not be a whole lot) (08:08:37 PM) herlo: I think maybe we should ask what triaging is and how one might get started... (08:08:52 PM) herlo: I don't see any references as to how to do that on the page you gave (08:09:08 PM) jds2001: go up one level (08:09:51 PM) jds2001: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/BugZappers/GettingStarted (08:10:07 PM) jds2001: is that more what you're looking for? (08:10:38 PM) jds2001: we have an array of pages underneath the BugZappers namespace (08:10:57 PM) herlo: yeah, I see that (08:11:26 PM) pcalarco: so a lot of it is trying to replicate bugs across different hardware as part of the triaging? (08:11:29 PM) herlo: I guess what I am after is a way to go from join to bug triage in a short time (08:13:04 PM) jds2001: pcalarco: that can be part of it. (08:13:19 PM) ***vwbusguy- <- sorry for being late (08:13:19 PM) herlo: jds2001: so I'd like you to take a moment and actually walk us through what you'd do if someone signed up for bugzappers and wanted to get started (08:13:53 PM) herlo: but really didn't understand the wiki pages that well, becuase currently, that's a lot to read and I'd like to just have a quickstart guide (08:13:57 PM) jds2001: sure, they make contact, I point them to the guidelines and how to find new bugs (08:14:31 PM) jds2001: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/BugZappers/FindingBugs (08:14:42 PM) herlo: k, so let me back up a little (08:15:18 PM) herlo: last week we asked a ton of questions of mizmo about art, and one of them was basically to get her to layout the process step-by-step here (08:15:30 PM) jds2001: ok (08:15:37 PM) jds2001: 1) sign up for a bugzilla acct (08:15:40 PM) herlo: and so I wonder if, rather than pointing us to the wiki, if you could kinda do that (08:15:42 PM) jds2001: 2) sign up for a FAS acct (08:15:54 PM) jds2001: 3) apply for the 'fedorabugs' group (08:16:08 PM) ***lcafiero sheepishly sneaks in (08:16:16 PM) jds2001: (note that approval there is automatic provided cla_done) (08:16:22 PM) herlo: oh, wow (08:16:34 PM) ***vwbusguy- didn't realize it was that easy (08:16:59 PM) jds2001: 4) wait a bit for bugzilla to sync, and you have the necessary access (08:17:08 PM) herlo: 1-2 hrs then? (08:17:27 PM) jds2001: i think the bugzilla sync happens at the top of the hour, yeaahs (08:18:24 PM) herlo: jds2001: so what's next? (08:18:34 PM) jds2001: then you find a bug, and start triagaing it. (08:18:50 PM) inode0: I have done 1-4, really (08:19:01 PM) herlo: how does one find a bug? How do you know what triaging is done (08:19:03 PM) inode0: I don't know how to proceed (08:19:04 PM) jds2001: in order to do that, you need to know that the bug in question is well-described and is something actionable for a developer (08:19:38 PM) herlo: I still don't see how I get to bugzilla from here (08:19:47 PM) jds2001: OK, you can find a bug via RSS feed, via some preformatted queries we have, etc (08:19:47 PM) ***herlo is playing devils advocate (08:20:09 PM) jds2001: yeah, come to think of it the process is probably a little busted (08:20:23 PM) jds2001: maybe it'a bit *too* easy and unstructured. (08:20:34 PM) herlo: which is our goal, to help you get more people we need to understand the *small* details (08:20:38 PM) jds2001: but we didn't want to put tons of beuaarucatatic stuff (08:20:52 PM) ***inode0 notes that it is a bad idea to try to paste preformatted query example in here (08:20:55 PM) herlo: no argument there (08:21:06 PM) DemonJester: I wouldnt say busted there is just a lot of assumptions after the sign up which can intimidate folks I think. (08:21:13 PM) herlo: inode0: a screenshot? (08:21:15 PM) jds2001: http://feeds.feedburner.com/rawhide-new-7days (08:21:38 PM) inode0: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/BugZappers/FindingBugs <- links here (08:22:41 PM) inode0: 2798 bugs found. (08:22:43 PM) ***herlo goes back to asking the questions here and expecting simple answers here (08:22:53 PM) herlo: maybe I shouldn't though (08:23:04 PM) jds2001: no, it's a valid point. (08:23:18 PM) herlo: I don't understand the FindingBugs page (08:23:26 PM) jds2001: how does one *find* that wiki page assuming they haven't seen our wiki? (08:23:43 PM) inode0: on what possible basis do I choose one? don't I need to know something about other bugs before processing one? (08:23:45 PM) herlo: google search :) (08:24:08 PM) herlo: inode0: is that statement directed at me? (08:24:21 PM) jds2001: you can conceivaably pick any of those 2798 bugs (08:24:22 PM) inode0: jds2001 but if you can answer it I'm ok with that :) (08:24:39 PM) herlo: k, just checking (08:25:14 PM) jds2001: so what these queries look for is bugs in a state of NEW (08:25:35 PM) jds2001: which supposedly (but not in practice) means that no one has looked at them (08:26:10 PM) ***DemonJester found that out the hard way. (08:26:17 PM) jds2001: if there's a bug that you click on that has the assignee looking at it, just move it to ASSIGNED and move on. (08:26:58 PM) jds2001: and you gain the access to do that by completing the signup steps. (08:27:07 PM) inode0: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=463410 (08:27:09 PM) buggbot: Bug 463410: medium, medium, ---, axel.thimm at atrpms.net, NEW, AVC Denial fail2ban (08:27:14 PM) ke4qqq: except for package review stuff (08:27:18 PM) inode0: so that would be a candidate for this? (08:27:34 PM) jds2001: lemme look, bugzilla is slow (08:27:47 PM) jds2001: but looking at buggbot's summary, yes (08:28:02 PM) jds2001: it's in NEW, etc (08:28:07 PM) ***inode0 might process his first bug tonight (08:28:22 PM) jds2001: now this one may need to be moved to selinux-policy-targeted if it's not already there (08:28:44 PM) ***jds2001 still waiting for it to load (08:29:00 PM) ***inode0 waiting to login (08:29:03 PM) jds2001: so AVC denials go against the policy (08:29:19 PM) jds2001: that way dwalsh can see it and do his magic :) (08:30:08 PM) herlo: what do you mean 'against the poicy'? (08:30:42 PM) inode0: the selinux policy (08:30:45 PM) inode0: component (08:31:03 PM) herlo: so you triage it to the right person or what? (08:31:23 PM) jds2001: yep (08:31:36 PM) jds2001: looks as though dwalsh had already looked at this one, though (08:31:49 PM) herlo: how do yo uknow the right person? (08:31:57 PM) ***herlo is still waiting for bugzilla to load (08:32:09 PM) ke4qqq: herlo you don't assign a person you assign a component (08:32:20 PM) ke4qqq: bz automagically knows the person based on the component (08:32:24 PM) jds2001: right (08:32:38 PM) inode0: ok, this looks like fail2ban badness, not selinux policy badness (08:32:48 PM) inode0: so I think it stays here, but moves to assigned? (08:33:29 PM) jds2001: right (08:33:43 PM) herlo: so how do you do that, click edit or something? (08:33:56 PM) ***herlo still ahs to login it seems (08:33:58 PM) inode0: shall I fire? (08:34:32 PM) ke4qqq: yes! (08:34:33 PM) inode0: anything beyond moving to assigned to do at this point? (08:35:10 PM) jds2001: nope (08:35:40 PM) jds2001: soryy stepped away for a few seconds to grab a coke :) (08:35:45 PM) inode0: should I have looked through other fail2ban and targeted policy bugs for dup? (08:35:58 PM) jds2001: yes. (08:36:03 PM) ***jds2001 forgot about that (08:36:08 PM) jds2001: there are some tools for thagt (08:36:26 PM) jds2001: bugz.fp.o/ is what i use for small components (08:36:27 PM) inode0: it is assigned anyway - missile launched (08:36:33 PM) jds2001: in terms of number of bugs (08:36:38 PM) jds2001: this is another thing about triage (08:36:51 PM) jds2001: if you make a mistake, it's really not the end of the world :) (08:37:04 PM) jds2001: you can go undo it. (08:37:15 PM) ke4qqq: so kinda like the wiki - triage boldly? (08:37:41 PM) ***inode0 does happy dance and shouts opa! opa! opa! while joining the triage team (08:38:00 PM) jds2001: ke4qqq: exactly (08:38:34 PM) jds2001: you can always see the history, and you can't really do an action that can't be undone :) (08:38:37 PM) inode0: is there any sort of review process, to help me, uh, a new triager, gain confidence in what they are doing? (08:38:54 PM) jds2001: sure, stop by #fedora-qa (08:39:11 PM) jds2001: if you have questions, send them to f-t-l (08:39:14 PM) ke4qqq: so let me ask something jds2001 - so if we want to assign homework of triaging 10 bugs per ambassador by next week.....can we come to you and polecat and ask questions and get that 'review' (08:39:16 PM) inode0: and say what, will someone look at this and see if I did it ok? (08:40:41 PM) ke4qqq: inode0: exactly - provide a link to the bug and what you are thinking of doing (08:41:02 PM) ke4qqq: and people there are pretty helpful (08:41:29 PM) jds2001: take this for example: (08:41:33 PM) jds2001: https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-test-list/2008-September/msg00493.html (08:42:54 PM) ***inode0 steps away for a minute (08:43:00 PM) ***vwbusguy- has no idea how to be a triager. (08:43:20 PM) jds2001: vwbusguy-: how so? (08:43:26 PM) ke4qqq: so what of this doesn't make sense (08:43:33 PM) ke4qqq: that's what we need to capture (08:43:49 PM) vwbusguy-: maybe I'm just not familiar with the word 'triage' (08:44:03 PM) jds2001: ok, that's easy (08:44:05 PM) vwbusguy-: is that like deciding where bugs go, how they're assigned? (08:44:10 PM) jds2001: yes (08:44:12 PM) vwbusguy-: ok (08:44:16 PM) jds2001: sort, categorize, etc (08:44:22 PM) vwbusguy-: just a difference in terminology then (08:44:27 PM) vwbusguy-: I'm used to in house terms for it (08:44:34 PM) jds2001: what did you think it required? (08:44:36 PM) vwbusguy-: (Criterion Controls Board) (08:44:41 PM) herlo: 1) The principle or practice of prioritizing patients in an emergency situation in which there are a great number of injured or ill (08:44:47 PM) herlo: that's the most common definition (08:44:55 PM) vwbusguy-: haha (08:45:22 PM) vwbusguy-: triage sounded like a French-based word pertaining with something to do with three (08:45:34 PM) jds2001: lol (08:46:01 PM) jds2001: instead of priortizing patients, we're prioritizing bugs. And there are a great number :) (08:46:07 PM) herlo: vwbusguy-: menage a trois (08:46:12 PM) herlo: that's what you are thinking of (08:46:43 PM) jds2001: if you want to be more advanced, you can even align bugs to blockers, etc if they'er that important (08:48:05 PM) inode0: you sometimes have mentoring irc sessions? (08:48:20 PM) ***vwbusguy- is getting way sleepy. (08:48:20 PM) jds2001: occasionally during the weekly meetings. (08:48:39 PM) jds2001: we're thinking about doing focused bug days, too. (08:48:48 PM) inode0: how many active triagers do you have now if you know? (08:49:12 PM) jds2001: no idea (08:49:55 PM) inode0: ok, what percentage of bugs are generally outstanding? how large the problem is sort of what I'm looking for? (08:50:01 PM) jds2001: 14 according to our page (08:50:26 PM) inode0: 14 seems way too small a group (08:50:38 PM) jds2001: mcepl gave us bad news today though :( (08:51:13 PM) vwbusguy-: ok, I gotta go to bed (08:51:14 PM) jds2001: 22:26 < mcepl> poelcat: I am not sure in which all places I have reported my situation ... (08:51:17 PM) jds2001: 22:27 < mcepl> my wife broke her foot, so I got daddy-cares-for-children medical leave to watch over kids. I will probably be around IRC after 15:00 EST, but I cannot promise anything regular for next couple of weeks (three or four) (08:52:39 PM) ke4qqq: so does everyone now feel comfortable and feel like you can go start triaging? (08:52:52 PM) inode0: I started tonight! (08:53:19 PM) jds2001: more importantly, can we pick up new contributors at events and such? (08:53:25 PM) pcalarco: I'm willing to give it a shot; seems like it is a good learning opportunity as well (08:53:27 PM) inode0: I don't feel entirely comfortable but will try to continue and ask question in fedora-qa this week (08:53:28 PM) herlo: ke4qqq: I don't intend to do much of it, but I understand it better (08:53:47 PM) ***jds2001 will have my GXP-2000 sometime soon, so call me if you have issues! (08:53:50 PM) herlo: I like that I can help others do this if they don't know what else they can do since its pretty simple... (08:54:11 PM) ke4qqq: so can we take the action item to do 10 by next week so we can talk intelligently about bug triaging? (08:54:38 PM) ke4qqq: anyone find that offensive?? (08:54:41 PM) inode0: Maybe those of us who are interested should attend the meeting of triagers next week (08:54:48 PM) ke4qqq: ohhh +1 (08:54:58 PM) ***ke4qqq claims inode0 as a recruit :) (08:55:04 PM) ke4qqq: lol (08:55:10 PM) inode0: we can give some feedback about our experience (08:55:20 PM) jds2001: we would love that! (08:55:29 PM) ***inode0 was already in the group but as a jds2001 guinnea pig (08:55:37 PM) jds2001: 14:00UTC Tuesday right here! (08:55:47 PM) jds2001: pcalarco: you learn a lot (08:55:55 PM) herlo: jds2001: what time is that EDT? (08:56:01 PM) jds2001: herlo: 10:00 (08:56:11 PM) inode0: I think if some of get a decent feel for it we will also be more comfortable encouraging others (08:56:26 PM) ke4qqq: exactly inode0 (08:56:40 PM) herlo: jds2001: so I could possible make one of thos emeetings when I'm home then (08:57:01 PM) inode0: we are about 1 hour in, anything else for jds2001 before we close this and move on? (08:57:03 PM) jds2001: sure, you normally lecturing at that time or something? (08:57:14 PM) jds2001: if you have to come and go, that's fine too :) (08:57:56 PM) jds2001: am I getting kicked out or something? :) (08:58:01 PM) ke4qqq: jds2001: can you or poelcat run reports for us next tuesday so we can see how many bugs we have done (08:58:06 PM) inode0: my impression is that beginners can work on really low hanging fruit, more experience triagers can do more (08:58:15 PM) jds2001: inode0: exactly (08:58:33 PM) herlo: jds2001: no kicking you out, you rock (08:58:46 PM) jds2001: REALLY low hanging fruit is stuff that's been in needinfo for 30 days+ (08:59:00 PM) jds2001: trying to either nudge it along or closing it. (08:59:05 PM) ke4qqq: yes - I had a query for that somewhere (08:59:08 PM) inode0: not trying to rush you but we don't want a 3 hour long meeting either :) (08:59:10 PM) jds2001: we have templates for common actions like that. (08:59:19 PM) jds2001: aww, why not? (08:59:25 PM) jds2001: FESCo has two hours now :) (08:59:28 PM) VileGent: anyway we can have another meeting next tuesday (08:59:44 PM) VileGent: evening (08:59:56 PM) inode0: yes, we'll do some followup at the triage meeting next week (08:59:58 PM) jds2001: well i think stickster is joining us next evening (09:00:02 PM) jds2001: next tuesday (09:00:12 PM) ke4qqq: http://tinyurl.com/3sl24r <-- needinfo greater than 30 days query iirc. (09:00:18 PM) VileGent: the problem is the day job (09:00:25 PM) ke4qqq: VileGent: we have a meeting every tuesday evening (09:00:39 PM) jds2001: VileGent: and I'm around most of the time. (09:00:41 PM) inode0: moving on now ... I think we should hear a bit of a report on FADNA and OLF (09:00:49 PM) jds2001: indeed. (09:01:15 PM) ***jds2001 hears crickets instead (09:01:23 PM) ***lcafiero wants to hear about the melee at the bar (09:01:24 PM) inode0: jump right in (09:01:39 PM) DemonJester: lcafiero: I won ;-) (09:01:40 PM) jds2001: well, I got to OLF on Friday (09:02:01 PM) jds2001: bpepple picked me up at the airport, we then went and picked up stickster. (09:02:11 PM) inode0: hrm (09:02:33 PM) inode0: maybe a little too detailed there jds2001 (09:02:33 PM) jds2001: not the report you were looking for? (09:02:42 PM) DemonJester: lol (09:02:55 PM) inode0: impressions of booth on Saturday? fabulous success? (09:03:04 PM) herlo: aye aye (09:03:12 PM) DemonJester: +1 (09:03:19 PM) ke4qqq: yes (09:03:36 PM) ke4qqq: we are still having stuff come in (09:03:45 PM) herlo: I think the main thing I took from OLF was that we're going to be seing more geek families at community conferences (09:03:56 PM) herlo: because of things like the OLPC (09:04:01 PM) ke4qqq: OLF is strange though (09:04:01 PM) jds2001: yeah, and that's a great thing (09:04:05 PM) herlo: :) yep! (09:04:08 PM) inode0: hanging around most of the day I thought that the Fedora and Ubuntu booths seemed the busiest by quite a bit (09:04:15 PM) herlo: ke4qqq: no, I don't think it will be (09:04:18 PM) ke4qqq: because there is no cost to attend (09:04:25 PM) ke4qqq: families can come with 'dad' (09:04:28 PM) ke4qqq: or 'mom' (09:04:35 PM) ke4qqq: otherwise they might not (09:04:41 PM) crossbytes: families meaning spouses or kids also? (09:04:45 PM) ***jds2001 was at the Fedora booth most of the day (09:04:48 PM) jds2001: crossbytes: kids too (09:04:48 PM) herlo: ke4qqq: yeah, but I went to SCaLE and it seemed that there were younger people ther too (09:04:54 PM) ke4qqq: really.... (09:05:07 PM) herlo: not quite as many since it cost more (09:05:10 PM) ke4qqq: hmmm I wouldn't pay 65 for a kid to attend a conference, but that's just me (09:05:23 PM) herlo: and they were generally at least 12 (09:05:32 PM) VileGent: ke4qqq, i did (09:05:35 PM) DemonJester: ke4qqq: I wouldnt either (09:05:38 PM) ke4qqq: OLF had lots younger than that. (09:05:38 PM) inode0: I'd like to hear about the first experience we had with our first event box (09:05:39 PM) crossbytes: was there a spin for edu for the kids/families? (09:05:55 PM) ke4qqq: ohhhhh crossbytes there is but we didn't have it (09:06:13 PM) inode0: good thing to note for future conferences (09:06:17 PM) VileGent: corssbytes that is a good idea (09:06:57 PM) inode0: did the event box work well? (09:07:06 PM) DemonJester: can we get it on a pressed cd ;-) (09:07:06 PM) VileGent: appeared to (09:07:15 PM) jds2001: it worked out faboulously as far as i could see. (09:07:15 PM) herlo: DemonJester: yes (09:07:15 PM) ke4qqq: DemonJester: unlikely (09:07:25 PM) inode0: Is there anything new to put into the event box? :) (09:07:28 PM) ke4qqq: it was really nice - I am envious and want to buy one now (09:07:33 PM) herlo: DemonJester: but it would be in short runs and quite expensive (09:07:35 PM) ke4qqq: we put the AP in it (09:07:53 PM) jds2001: ke4qqq: that was a joke :) (09:07:57 PM) herlo: yep and there's tons of CDs and swag (09:08:00 PM) VileGent: inode0, more buttons more stickers (09:08:01 PM) inode0: No announcements? (09:08:16 PM) jds2001: I'll be at CPOSC this weekend. (09:08:19 PM) inode0: Little tiny announcements? (09:08:29 PM) DemonJester: me too. (09:08:37 PM) inode0: From the best sponsor at OLF? (09:08:45 PM) pcalarco: hehe (09:09:06 PM) ke4qqq: ohhhh (09:09:07 PM) ke4qqq: ohhh (09:09:11 PM) ke4qqq: yeah my new favorite (09:09:14 PM) ke4qqq: hardware vendor (09:09:20 PM) crossbytes: so is the event box coming to Portland? (09:09:28 PM) inode0: why is this like pulling teeth? :) (09:09:45 PM) herlo: crossbytes: for what? (09:09:45 PM) ke4qqq: HP has agreed to send us a mini-note for each region - to put in our eventboxes (09:09:54 PM) jds2001: crossbytes: what's in portland? (09:09:57 PM) inode0: opa! opa! opa! (09:09:58 PM) ke4qqq: inode0: I don't know :) (09:10:08 PM) lcafiero: Lindependence Portland (09:10:12 PM) VileGent: inode0, dont know what you are hinting at (09:10:12 PM) lcafiero: On Oct. 25 (09:10:20 PM) ke4qqq: wow (09:10:24 PM) inode0: So we have both a mini-note and an XO per event box (09:10:30 PM) herlo: yup (09:10:30 PM) lcafiero: LinuxKnight and I are going to rep Fedora at the event. (09:10:42 PM) ke4qqq: or we will - supposed to ship first of next week from what I hear (09:10:44 PM) jds2001: cool, how big? (09:10:49 PM) herlo: lcafiero: well, its going to PA this weekend, but it can get shipped after that (09:10:53 PM) ke4qqq: lcafiero: you need to talk to DemonJester (09:10:59 PM) ke4qqq: he will have it after the event (09:11:03 PM) inode0: Really great news and a big thanks to both HP and OLPC (09:11:03 PM) herlo: lcafiero: how many people are going to be there? (09:11:06 PM) jds2001: lcafiero: do you have a budget for that? (09:11:09 PM) herlo: not that it maters? (09:11:27 PM) herlo: lcafiero: just reply here (09:11:41 PM) DemonJester: FSOSS in toronto is also next week (09:11:48 PM) herlo: oh, wow (09:11:49 PM) ke4qqq: ohhhh - we may need (09:11:53 PM) ke4qqq: to replicate (09:11:57 PM) herlo: quickly (09:11:58 PM) ke4qqq: does FSOSS have budget (09:12:06 PM) ke4qqq: wait I still have plenty of budget (09:12:07 PM) herlo: the box is only $180 (09:12:08 PM) lcafiero: We're in good shape for Portland. We really only need media, stickers, etc. (09:12:12 PM) ke4qqq: but can I get it that fast (09:12:14 PM) DemonJester: not sure I havent talked to chris yet (09:12:23 PM) herlo: ke4qqq: I got mine in 4 days (09:12:24 PM) ke4qqq: lcafiero: have you gotten media squared away (09:12:43 PM) inode0: we should find the $180 to get a second one asap I think (09:12:48 PM) DemonJester: the event box only has live cds left (09:13:05 PM) herlo: we'll need banners and to duplicate other stuff too (09:13:06 PM) ke4qqq: yaakov has media squared away already (09:13:09 PM) ke4qqq: yep (09:13:10 PM) jds2001: DemonJester: we've got 75 DVD's on the way (09:13:19 PM) ***inode0 votes to just use discretionary funds if necessary (09:13:39 PM) jds2001: we can probably restock at CPOSC (09:13:40 PM) herlo: iWolf still has plenty of money left over from OLF bw (09:13:50 PM) lcafiero: If we can't get media, we'll make our own. That's what the Cabrillo College GNU/Linux Users Group did for Fedora 9 disks for Lindependence Felton in July (09:13:56 PM) ***inode0 is going to ding that (09:14:22 PM) herlo: lcafiero: how many ppl show up (09:14:27 PM) ke4qqq: where do we get banners and stuff? (09:14:35 PM) DemonJester: lcafiero: contact alex for the media, stickers and shirts I am not sure about though (09:14:44 PM) inode0: I would like to defer further discussion of this so we can summarize the FADNA event quickly on the record (09:14:51 PM) ke4qqq: no stickers or shirts left (09:14:54 PM) herlo: well, I think banners and stickers and things need to get done locally (09:14:58 PM) ke4qqq: inode0: good point (09:15:22 PM) ke4qqq: so we have had a request to show up at two conferences from OLF (09:15:36 PM) ke4qqq: stickster: was interviewed on one podcast (09:15:43 PM) ke4qqq: and is scheduled on another (TLLTS) (09:15:58 PM) herlo: ke4qqq: which conferences? (09:16:02 PM) ke4qqq: and we had some impromptu nerdcore (09:16:11 PM) ke4qqq: pycon (they want us to send two speakers) (09:16:15 PM) ke4qqq: and pyohio (09:16:32 PM) herlo: lol, the nerdcore rap ruled! (09:16:41 PM) herlo: ke4qqq: I would love to go to pycon (09:16:41 PM) jds2001: we have developers that go to pycon anyways (09:16:44 PM) inode0: Did anyone go to FADNA? (09:16:51 PM) jds2001: but I can go to pycon too. (09:16:54 PM) herlo: inode0: what's FANDA? (09:17:02 PM) herlo: er FADNA? (09:17:11 PM) herlo: didn't we just have that? (09:17:14 PM) ke4qqq: ohhhh sorry thought we were talking about OLF (09:17:17 PM) jds2001: i think so. (09:17:33 PM) ***jds2001 all confuzzled now (09:17:38 PM) herlo: yup (09:17:43 PM) inode0: We were talking about OLF, wanted to get a summary of FADNA as well (09:18:01 PM) herlo: inode0: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FAD/FADNA2008 (09:18:03 PM) herlo: its on that page (09:18:16 PM) herlo: specifically: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FAD/FADNA2008#Meeting_Notes (09:18:22 PM) herlo: thank pcalarco for that (09:18:24 PM) inode0: Great, thanks pcalarco and whoever else contributed to recording it (09:18:36 PM) pcalarco: np (09:18:45 PM) jds2001: and i somehow abscounded with a FADNA t-shirt, sorry :( (09:19:03 PM) ke4qqq: WOW, pcalarco did great notes! (09:19:13 PM) inode0: ok, oops (09:19:16 PM) herlo: inode0: I have the recording but haven't posted it yet (09:19:30 PM) pcalarco: librarians tend to be compulsive like that lol (09:19:57 PM) inode0: was about to open the floor and redirect discussion to portland (09:19:59 PM) herlo: jds2001: it's okay, I ended up with an extra medium if anyone wants a shirt (09:20:09 PM) herlo: inode0: sounds good (09:20:27 PM) inode0: I'll open the floor to any other discussion now (09:20:49 PM) pcalarco: ! (09:20:54 PM) ***herlo is listening to nerdcore rapper DualCore! (09:20:55 PM) inode0: go ahead pcalarco (09:21:25 PM) pcalarco: i was thinking we could start working with our regionals to organize ourselves at the state level more (09:21:52 PM) pcalarco: I started looking at the Ubuntu groups LoCo and think we should follow a similar model (09:21:58 PM) inode0: I think that makes a lot of sense especially for Indiana (09:22:12 PM) herlo: pcalarco: that was my original idea of the FAmNA structure (09:22:15 PM) pcalarco: we have six ambassadors here (09:22:18 PM) inode0: once there are several ambassadors in a state (09:22:45 PM) crossbytes: I have been trying to find others in Washington . . (09:22:48 PM) herlo: they can run themselves (09:23:03 PM) pcalarco: great, vmbusguys and I will follow up with iwolf and get the others active too (09:23:17 PM) inode0: keep us posted (09:23:25 PM) pcalarco: will do (09:23:31 PM) herlo: crossbytes: cool (09:23:45 PM) herlo: it seems I've lost LinuxKnight a little (09:24:10 PM) VileGent: i have sent emails to the linux groups on the west side of Virginia (09:24:32 PM) inode0: which reminds me (09:24:42 PM) VileGent: offering my help and support (09:25:01 PM) ke4qqq: outstanding VileGent! (09:25:03 PM) inode0: I couldn't help but notice that the respins flew out the door at OLF as fast as they could be produced (09:25:17 PM) VileGent: re-spins (09:25:25 PM) crossbytes: Which respins? (09:25:26 PM) inode0: sorry (09:25:38 PM) pcalarco: Fedora Unity respins (09:25:49 PM) ***VileGent directs crossbytes to http://fedoraunity.org/news-archives/fedora-9-re-spin-released (09:25:52 PM) inode0: I think perhaps we should plan if possible to get those to as many events as possible when timely (09:25:58 PM) crossbytes: KDE /XFCE ?? (09:26:05 PM) ke4qqq: inode0: the problem is really cost..... (09:26:08 PM) herlo: VileGent: get used to people not spelling that right :) (09:26:14 PM) VileGent: i am (09:26:18 PM) crossbytes: sorry.. (09:26:18 PM) VileGent: and have been (09:26:20 PM) inode0: even if we use volunteer burners (09:26:21 PM) ***herlo likes respins better than re-spins :) (09:26:30 PM) VileGent: herlo tough (09:26:45 PM) herlo: VileGent: not really, I can use whatever I like :) (09:26:48 PM) VileGent: respins are livemedia re-spins are repackaging (09:27:03 PM) herlo: ugh, that's not really a differentiation (09:27:20 PM) ke4qqq: ohhh is that what you are talking about all day? (09:27:28 PM) herlo: no wonder people have a hard time understanding it (09:27:29 PM) VileGent: respins are livemedia re-spins are repackaging of the distro released isos with updates (09:27:40 PM) inode0: directs squabbling ambassadors to #fedora-ambassadors to discuss the semantic of re-spins vs. respins (09:27:46 PM) herlo: that has *got* to change (09:28:04 PM) DemonJester: so where is the event box going after PA? (09:28:04 PM) inode0: anything else before we close in 3 minutes? (09:28:15 PM) inode0: 2 minutes? (09:28:16 PM) DemonJester: portland or toronto (09:28:19 PM) ke4qqq: yes we need to get that squared away (09:28:36 PM) herlo: Portland (09:28:42 PM) lcafiero: We can yield to toronto -- I'll have a Intel and PPC laptops running f9 (09:28:45 PM) herlo: it belongs in the west (09:28:54 PM) ke4qqq: true (09:28:55 PM) herlo: that's my only argument (09:28:58 PM) ke4qqq: it's wests (09:29:03 PM) ke4qqq: so herlo tell us where you want it (09:29:08 PM) lcafiero: But I do need media and swag. (09:29:10 PM) DemonJester: I send it where you tell me too. (09:29:19 PM) lcafiero: +1 to west, if we can get it :-) (09:29:25 PM) herlo: hang on (09:29:31 PM) herlo: I asked this question already (09:29:37 PM) herlo: but haven't had an answer (09:29:40 PM) jds2001: ke4qqq: i can work on building one for the east if you'd like.' (09:29:43 PM) herlo: how many people will be at each event? (09:29:47 PM) VileGent: so event box cost 180? (09:29:51 PM) herlo: yup (09:29:54 PM) lcafiero: I don't know about Portland -- 100+ (09:29:55 PM) ***inode0 thinks while we have only one it makes sense to ship it to the largest event but will defer to others (09:29:56 PM) ke4qqq: no far more (09:29:56 PM) jds2001: just the box (09:29:57 PM) DemonJester: FSOSS about 300 (09:30:10 PM) herlo: jds2001: $180 yes (09:30:14 PM) herlo: for just the box (09:30:17 PM) ke4qqq: lcafiero: what's ur budget (09:30:55 PM) inode0: meeting enters extra minutes or whatever those football people call it (09:30:59 PM) crossbytes: Portland is going to be F9 and F10beta? or just F9? (09:31:01 PM) ke4qqq: yeah banners will cost more than that. (09:31:07 PM) lcafiero: Overtime, or sudden death. (09:31:07 PM) herlo: inode0: overtime (09:31:23 PM) inode0: no, they don't call it either of those (09:31:27 PM) DemonJester: shoot-out :-) (09:31:32 PM) herlo: sudden death only happens in playoffs and hockey (09:31:34 PM) lcafiero: I would like to have F9 for Portland (09:31:44 PM) lcafiero: I do have F10 beta on one of the laptops, the intel one. (09:31:48 PM) herlo: lcafiero: how many people (09:31:59 PM) crossbytes: I have F10 on our ASUS EEE (09:32:00 PM) herlo: oh, now I see it (09:32:05 PM) jds2001: I'll bring my rawhide lappy to PA, as well. (09:32:22 PM) jds2001: one thing that we missed at OLF (09:32:23 PM) lcafiero: I think Portland will draw at least 100, probably more. (09:32:37 PM) VileGent: toronto how many attendees (09:32:40 PM) DemonJester: chris (FSOSS) has not asked for the event box if that means anything (09:32:56 PM) DemonJester: according to the event page 300 (09:33:01 PM) inode0: doesn't mean anything to me, does he know it is available to him? (09:33:09 PM) pcalarco: I think the Toronto show is quite small at this point? (09:33:19 PM) herlo: send it to Portland, but (09:33:23 PM) DemonJester: ask paul he is going to it (09:33:46 PM) herlo: send some of the media off to toronto (09:33:51 PM) herlo: what do you think of that? (09:33:55 PM) ke4qqq: herlo: why? (09:34:00 PM) ke4qqq: alex can send media to toronto (09:34:02 PM) ke4qqq: or with paul (09:34:04 PM) herlo: oh (09:34:06 PM) herlo: okay (09:34:11 PM) ke4qqq: we're okay with media (09:34:14 PM) ke4qqq: I think (09:34:17 PM) VileGent: at this point toronto 300 vs portland 100 (09:34:28 PM) lcafiero: Looks like toronto wins. (09:34:31 PM) ***inode0 thinks toronto (09:34:34 PM) DemonJester: I am pinging stickster now to ask about the FSOSS numbers (09:34:37 PM) ke4qqq: but toronto will have more people (09:34:39 PM) lcafiero: Give us media and stuff and we'll be fine (09:34:40 PM) ***jds2001 votes Toronto (09:34:45 PM) herlo: right, its not enough to make that big of a difference (09:34:55 PM) ke4qqq: from fedora (09:35:05 PM) herlo: the eventbox could go either way (09:35:07 PM) ke4qqq: my concern is shipping (09:35:11 PM) herlo: right (09:35:19 PM) ke4qqq: chris doesn't know to budget for it (09:35:20 PM) herlo: it only cost $37 to ship it to OLF (09:35:23 PM) DemonJester: 4 days to go cross country (09:35:23 PM) crossbytes: There is no LUG in Vancouver to help out I do not know about Portland LUG (09:35:25 PM) ke4qqq: and lcafiero has no budget for it (09:35:26 PM) inode0: isn't it possible for us to order another and begin provisioning it in portland? (09:35:29 PM) lcafiero: We don't really need the box in Portland, again. (09:35:32 PM) herlo: DemonJester: right (09:35:46 PM) inode0: you can use my share of discretionary funds to pay for most of it (09:36:19 PM) ke4qqq: inode0: the box yes, posters and banners probably not (09:36:30 PM) inode0: start provisioning it ... (09:36:32 PM) lcafiero: In Portland, LinuxKnight and I are going to staff the table. (09:36:35 PM) ke4qqq: we'd need to get them designed (or the old files pulled up) (09:36:40 PM) lcafiero: Others in the area are welcome. (09:36:54 PM) lcafiero: I am going to be up there speaking at OSU on the thursday prior to the event. (09:37:04 PM) lcafiero: In corvallis, then up to portland. (09:37:19 PM) jds2001: lcafiero: have you talked to poelcat? (09:37:25 PM) herlo: lcafiero: I can help you get other stuff. What do you need? (09:37:53 PM) ke4qqq: but you are right we need to start provisioning it (09:37:54 PM) crossbytes: could u send mor info on your talk would like to attend.. (09:38:05 PM) lcafiero: Are you in corvallis crossbytes (09:38:06 PM) lcafiero: ? (09:38:16 PM) crossbytes: No in Vancouver WA (09:38:40 PM) ***stickster puts head up (09:38:43 PM) stickster: DemonJester: wha? (09:38:58 PM) DemonJester: stickster: how many are attending FSOSS event? (09:39:18 PM) stickster: I don't know. (09:39:19 PM) inode0: aha, we enter extra minutes and our fearless leader shows up to score the winning goal! (09:39:24 PM) stickster: DemonJester: You'll have to ask ctyler. (09:39:47 PM) DemonJester: stickster: ok thanks. (09:39:55 PM) stickster: Who is DemonJester? (09:40:11 PM) ***DemonJester Brian Powell (09:40:18 PM) stickster: ah (09:40:21 PM) stickster: k (09:40:26 PM) VileGent: ok who spiked sticksters drinks this weekend (09:41:13 PM) DemonJester: so is it going to Toronto or Portland, I dont remember seeing a definitive answer (09:41:19 PM) herlo: crossbytes: that's pretty close to lcafiero (09:41:27 PM) inode0: we need to wrap this meeting up in time for it to start again next week guys (09:41:36 PM) crossbytes: yes just a few minutes (09:42:17 PM) lcafiero: I yielded to toronto. (09:42:22 PM) inode0: conversation can continue after the meeting unless there is something you need to get into the record ... (09:42:23 PM) lcafiero: For the record. (09:42:40 PM) inode0: thanks lcafiero (09:42:47 PM) lcafiero: With the proviso that I actually DO need media for Portland (09:42:57 PM) inode0: I still think we should try to get you a new box .... (09:43:18 PM) lcafiero: I have a sort of box that I made up -- I guess it's closer to an ambassador box than an event box (09:43:22 PM) lcafiero: But it has a lot of stuff. (09:43:35 PM) lcafiero: Lindependence Felton wiped me out of disks, though. (09:43:51 PM) inode0: one of us will make sure you get media (09:44:04 PM) ke4qqq: lets move this discussion back to f-a since this is closing out (09:44:25 PM) lcafiero: Okay. I have to go back to class, though. The instructor thinks I'm actually doing schoolwork here. (09:44:29 PM) inode0: 30 seconds to close ... (09:44:35 PM) ***lcafiero busted by professor . . . . (09:44:52 PM) pcalarco: g'nite all (09:44:59 PM) inode0: opa! opa! opa! EOF (09:45:07 PM) pcalarco: exit (09:45:07 PM) inode0: thanks everyone as always (09:45:15 PM) ke4qqq: thanks inode0 (09:45:20 PM) herlo: thre he goes (09:45:23 PM) jds2001: thx inode0 for hosting (09:45:27 PM) herlo: no more lcafiero (09:45:34 PM) inode0: thanks jds2001 for bearing with us (09:45:59 PM) jds2001: np, i just think that herlo might punch my face in tomorrow :) (09:46:12 PM) herlo: lol, why? (09:46:22 PM) VileGent: jds2001, run he wont (09:46:24 PM) herlo: jds2001: I wouldn't do that (09:46:37 PM) jds2001: hehe i know (09:46:39 PM) ***herlo might tackle VileGent though :) (09:46:51 PM) jds2001: you did a good job playing devil (09:46:59 PM) jds2001: devil's advocate ,that is. (09:47:02 PM) crossbytes: fyi I thought lcafiero was in Portland he is in Calif. (09:47:04 PM) herlo: lol (09:47:06 PM) ***jds2001 hates pressing enter too soon (09:50:34 PM) ***inode0 observes that stickster's kick sailed high over the crossbar (09:51:39 PM) inode0: and one afterthough, I'd like to thank and ambassadors who made it to OLF and participated in FADNA (09:51:50 PM) inode0: it was a great and productive time for all (09:52:54 PM) ke4qqq: yes it was (09:59:00 PM) VileGent: see you there next year From arnavkalra007 at gmail.com Thu Oct 16 07:04:59 2008 From: arnavkalra007 at gmail.com (Arnav Kalra) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2008 12:34:59 +0530 Subject: [Ambassadors] wikipedia bye redhat bye fedora Message-ID: <5ac533d50810160004t47b337f2l9a4e11551f0bcc73@mail.gmail.com> why don't we have a long even no. release which is supported for two more long releases + 1 month. the odd no. releases are scraped and instead of them like opensolaris test releases which are released every two weeks except for a month after release of 1 long release. in that month features are planned for the next long release. a new long release will be released after 1 yr. the numbering system of those 2 week testing release will be as follows ;after 1 month of release 10 long it will be 11.05 , 11.1 , 11.15 as follows 11.9 will be 12 beta , 11.95 be 12 preview and finally fedora 12 -- arnav kalra (linux inside) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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There're already opened threads about this topic in a bunch of our mailing lists. Thanks. Have a nice day! Cheers, -- Gianluca Varisco, RHCE Intern - Web Engineering, Red Hat Italia From arnavkalra007 at gmail.com Thu Oct 16 07:55:32 2008 From: arnavkalra007 at gmail.com (Arnav Kalra) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2008 13:25:32 +0530 Subject: [Ambassadors] wikipedia bye redhat bye fedora In-Reply-To: <48F6EACE.4030502@redhat.com> References: <5ac533d50810160004t47b337f2l9a4e11551f0bcc73@mail.gmail.com> <48F6EACE.4030502@redhat.com> Message-ID: <5ac533d50810160055j4f3505c3yb357ef9217674699@mail.gmail.com> so where to discuss -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From pingou at pingoured.fr Thu Oct 16 08:09:55 2008 From: pingou at pingoured.fr (Pierre-Yves) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2008 10:09:55 +0200 Subject: [Ambassadors] wikipedia bye redhat bye fedora In-Reply-To: <5ac533d50810160055j4f3505c3yb357ef9217674699@mail.gmail.com> References: <5ac533d50810160004t47b337f2l9a4e11551f0bcc73@mail.gmail.com> <48F6EACE.4030502@redhat.com> <5ac533d50810160055j4f3505c3yb357ef9217674699@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <48F6F6D3.60008@pingoured.fr> Arnav Kalra wrote: > so where to discuss > I think you can start there: https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2008-October/msg00671.html or there: https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-marketing-list/2008-October/msg00070.html Regards, Pierre From rmishra.001 at gmail.com Thu Oct 16 12:33:55 2008 From: rmishra.001 at gmail.com (Rohit Mishra) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2008 18:03:55 +0530 Subject: [Ambassadors] Fedora Logo : with DVDs In-Reply-To: <93655eb70810141328m4d7352e4p8fa1b5adafa9efcb@mail.gmail.com> References: <48f4ef84.478b260a.3e2c.08fe@mx.google.com> <48F4F4A3.3030806@nd.edu> <1224013347.2956.5.camel@F9NB.homenet.local> <93655eb70810141328m4d7352e4p8fa1b5adafa9efcb@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <2141dfc60810160533q88e2b81icb6840b99306115c@mail.gmail.com> A great way to represent the logo. Try it with the cds flipped also facing us. Then you can highlight the distro version and the new features in that distro. A nice way, I suppose, to represent Fedora's timeline. Regards Rohit Mishra VIT University On 10/15/08, Satish Eerpini wrote: > > Thanks Pascal , ...... I went through the guidelines at > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Logo/UsageGuidelines already , ... but > what i have done is so far from the logos given there that i could > really decide ! .... > I just wanted to show my liking for Fedora , and this idea clicked :-) ! > Please let me know , if i am wrong .... > > Thanks > Satish > > On 10/15/08, Gerold Kassube wrote: > > All issues are figured out at > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Logo/UsageGuidelines > > > > If you take care for this page, everything and everybody will be fine > > with it :-) > > > > Regards > > > > Gerold > > > > > > Am Dienstag, den 14.10.2008, 15:36 -0400 schrieb Pascal Calarco: > >> I'd say that this is different enough from the official Fedora logo that > >> you could not use this and legally be able to call it Fedora or use it > >> to represent Fedora, but I am no lawyer. > >> > >> I like you enthusiasm though, Satish! > >> > >> - pascal > >> --- > >> Pascal Calarco, MLIS > >> Fedora Ambassador, Indiana USA > >> > >> Kam wrote: > >> > Neat picture! > >> > > >> > I am not sure about the usage rights part. > >> > > >> > -- > >> > Kam > >> > http://kamsalisbury.com > >> > GPG key: FAF1751E > >> > > >> > -----Original Message----- > >> > > >> > From: "Satish Eerpini" > >> > Subj: [Ambassadors] Fedora Logo : with DVDs > >> > Date: Tue Oct 14, 2008 3:03 pm > >> > Size: 708 bytes > >> > To: fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > >> > > >> > Well this might be the height of how crazy i can get about Fedora , > >> > ... but here is something i tried out , .... i laid down all the > >> > Linux Distro DVDs i had onto my bed in the shape of the Fedora Logo > >> > ........ and took a snapshot of that ,..... it looks great ( atleast > >> > to my eyes ) , ...... > >> > The image is here http://satish.playdrupal.com/?q=node/67 ......... > >> > > >> > what i really wanted to clarify is , whether i can do such work , .. i > >> > mean representing the LOGO this way ?? what do u say guys ? > >> > > >> > Thanks > >> > Satish > >> > >> -- > >> Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > >> Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > >> > > -- > > Gerold Kassube > > > > > -- > http://satish.playdrupal.com > > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > -- Check out my blog "Moving Ahead - The Agent of Change" -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Thank you to NA Ambassadors, I'll read the meeting log today. Best regards Francesco Ugolini From fugolini at fedoraproject.org Thu Oct 16 13:31:31 2008 From: fugolini at fedoraproject.org (Francesco Ugolini) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2008 15:31:31 +0200 Subject: [Ambassadors] Help to organize Fedora 10 release party and Fedora Install Fest in Vrsac , Serbia In-Reply-To: <5031e9cf0810152130t5ad01c5oc644319c6af1db8c@mail.gmail.com> References: <5031e9cf0810152130t5ad01c5oc644319c6af1db8c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: 2008/10/16 Ferenc Pravda : > Hello, > > I need to organize Event in Serbia for fedora, and i ask for a help. > Can you please be able to help me? > >> >> I'm sure you'll find useful the chapter "Organize the participation at >> an event": this is a easy, well written, scheme that summarize the >> core step in order to organize an event. > > - I am find out that is large interest about Fedora Event in Serbia, > and i am yet finished that steps. > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FedoraEvents#Europe.2C_Middle_East.2C_Africa_Q4 > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FedoraEvents/Serbia-Vrsac > > If is that OK what can i do more? > > It will be in Vrsac, place of Red Hat Regional Centre For Support, > Research and Development in Serbia. > Probable can i have some support from them to? :-) > Please, i truly need a support. > > Best regards, > Ferenc > > Now, you have to wait until FAmSCo will not discuss about budget fro Q4 (you'll read about it at the beginning of december). FAmSCo now will discuss about the resources distribution around the events. Best regards Francesco Ugolini From romal at gmx.de Thu Oct 16 21:13:11 2008 From: romal at gmx.de (Robert M. Albrecht) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2008 23:13:11 +0200 Subject: [Ambassadors] Cebit 2009 In-Reply-To: <48E21D49.4010906@kanarip.com> References: <20080930120151.225150@gmx.net> <48E21D49.4010906@kanarip.com> Message-ID: <48F7AE67.8070001@gmx.de> Hi, all people wanting to help with Cebit, please fill: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FedoraEvents/Cebit/Cebit2009 If we get enough people, I will apply for a booth. cu romal www.romal.de blog.romal.de On 30.09.2008 14:36 Uhr, Jeroen van Meeuwen wrote: > Robert M. Albrecht wrote: >> Hi, >> >> who want`s to participate in Cebit 2009 ? >> >> http://www.golem.de/0809/62683.html >> > > I do. > > Kind regards, > > Jeroen van Meeuwen > -kanarip > > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list From gerold at lugd.org Fri Oct 17 04:31:04 2008 From: gerold at lugd.org (Gerold Kassube) Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2008 06:31:04 +0200 Subject: [Ambassadors] Cebit 2009 In-Reply-To: <48F7AE67.8070001@gmx.de> References: <20080930120151.225150@gmx.net> <48E21D49.4010906@kanarip.com> <48F7AE67.8070001@gmx.de> Message-ID: <1224217864.3044.2.camel@F9NB.homenet.local> Hi Romal, to be honest, what is the amount personally I have to calculate with if I attend for ... - accomodation - food - transport and so on? Would you please so kind and calculate an approximatly amount? Thanks Gerold Am Donnerstag, den 16.10.2008, 23:13 +0200 schrieb Robert M. Albrecht: > Hi, > > all people wanting to help with Cebit, please fill: > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FedoraEvents/Cebit/Cebit2009 > > If we get enough people, I will apply for a booth. > > cu romal > > www.romal.de > blog.romal.de > > On 30.09.2008 14:36 Uhr, Jeroen van Meeuwen wrote: > > Robert M. Albrecht wrote: > >> Hi, > >> > >> who want`s to participate in Cebit 2009 ? > >> > >> http://www.golem.de/0809/62683.html > >> > > > > I do. > > > > Kind regards, > > > > Jeroen van Meeuwen > > -kanarip > > > > -- > > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > -- Gerold Kassube -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Albrecht wrote: > Hi, > > all people wanting to help with Cebit, please fill: > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FedoraEvents/Cebit/Cebit2009 > > If we get enough people, I will apply for a booth. > I put my name on the list, Kind regards, Jeroen van Meeuwen -kanarip From simon at simline.de Fri Oct 17 11:48:14 2008 From: simon at simline.de (simon) Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2008 13:48:14 +0200 Subject: [Ambassadors] Welcome to new Ambassadors Message-ID: <200810171348.14275.simon@simline.de> Dear Ambassadors, let me welcome our new sponsored Ambassador Group Members: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Cobaleda https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Dearvinit https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Jakshay https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Osamakhn https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:souley Regards Joerg p.s. Please do not send private "Welcome" Messages to Ambassador List -- Joerg (kital) Simon jsimon at fedoraproject.org http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/JoergSimon From thinklinux.ssh at gmail.com Sat Oct 18 08:11:54 2008 From: thinklinux.ssh at gmail.com (susmit shannigrahi) Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2008 13:41:54 +0530 Subject: [Ambassadors] AXIS'08 follow-up Message-ID: Hi list, So, this[1] is the follow up of our AXIS'08 excursion. The group is new, (only a week, operational for a couple of days) so don't expect much content over there. We are actively participating there. Please join them if you have some spare time as they are totally new and need a bit guidance. I hope to get a couple of active ambassadors in a couple of week or so. [1] http://groups.google.com/group/lnxvnit?hl=en Thanks. -- Regards, Susmit. ============================================= ssh 0x86DD170A http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/user:susmit ============================================= From thinklinux.ssh at gmail.com Sat Oct 18 18:05:28 2008 From: thinklinux.ssh at gmail.com (susmit shannigrahi) Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2008 23:35:28 +0530 Subject: [Ambassadors] Fwd: Fedora repository at VNIT.. In-Reply-To: <61741.220.227.213.131.1224351875.squirrel@mail.vnit.ac.in> References: <61741.220.227.213.131.1224351875.squirrel@mail.vnit.ac.in> Message-ID: ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Anand , VNIT-Nagpur Date: Sat, Oct 18, 2008 at 11:14 PM Subject: Fedora repository at VNIT.. To: susmit shannigrahi Hi Susmit, How's it going? How was the other event at Kolkata? Thanks for informing. I have already joined the group. I am starting the work on Fedora repository at our college. Wanted your help in that. Can you summarize how to go about it. 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URL: From neo.reeves at gmail.com Sat Oct 18 18:54:39 2008 From: neo.reeves at gmail.com (Neo Reeves) Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2008 23:54:39 +0500 Subject: [Ambassadors] Rapidshare download of Fedora ISO In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Randika, Yeah I know...but most of them can't provide enough bandwidth for rapid speed downloads. Thnx, Sameeh 2008/10/18 Randika Rathugama > Hi Sameeh, > > We have so many mirrors > http://mirrors.fedoraproject.org/publiclist/Fedora/9/ so far, instead of > asking new comers to download from rapidshare, how about expanding the > mirrors? > > Thanks, > Randika > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Randika > > 2008/10/19 Neo Reeves > >> Hello all, >> >> I am an Ambassador for Maldives, and I was thinking whether how it would >> be to upload Fedora ISOs to Rapidshare...Impatient users can get the fastest >> download speeds that way. What do you guys think ? >> >> Thnx, >> Sameeh >> >> -- >> Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list >> Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list >> >> > > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > > -- .:: BELIEVE THE UNBELIEVABLE ::. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From matt at domsch.com Sat Oct 18 19:56:24 2008 From: matt at domsch.com (Matt Domsch) Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2008 14:56:24 -0500 Subject: [Ambassadors] Fwd: Fedora repository at VNIT.. In-Reply-To: References: <61741.220.227.213.131.1224351875.squirrel@mail.vnit.ac.in> Message-ID: <20081018195624.GA12529@domsch.com> On Sat, Oct 18, 2008 at 11:35:28PM +0530, susmit shannigrahi wrote: > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: Anand , VNIT-Nagpur > Date: Sat, Oct 18, 2008 at 11:14 PM > Subject: Fedora repository at VNIT.. > To: susmit shannigrahi > > > Hi Susmit, > > How's it going? How was the other event at Kolkata? > > Thanks for informing. I have already joined the group. I am starting the > work on Fedora repository at our college. Wanted your help in that. Can > you summarize how to go about it. We want it to be intracollege repository > since keeping it open will increase the burden on servers here. So it > would be great help if can provide help in it. > > thanks and regards, > Anand. See http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Infrastructure/Mirroring for details on how to set up a private mirror, register it in MirrorManager, and thus serve your college. Thanks, Matt Fedora Mirror Wrangler From matt at domsch.com Sat Oct 18 20:01:01 2008 From: matt at domsch.com (Matt Domsch) Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2008 15:01:01 -0500 Subject: [Ambassadors] Rapidshare download of Fedora ISO In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20081018200101.GB12529@domsch.com> On Sat, Oct 18, 2008 at 11:38:50PM +0500, Neo Reeves wrote: > Hello all, > > I am an Ambassador for Maldives, and I was thinking whether how it would > be to upload Fedora ISOs to Rapidshare...Impatient users can get the > fastest download speeds that way. What do you guys think ? even Premium Rapidshare members have a 4GB/day download limit. That's less than a single DVD. I would welcome additional mirrors in all countries, especially those under-served. http://mdomsch.fedorapeople.org/map.png is a recent map of where our current public mirrors are located. Thanks, Matt From christoph.wickert at googlemail.com Sat Oct 18 20:06:26 2008 From: christoph.wickert at googlemail.com (Christoph Wickert) Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2008 22:06:26 +0200 Subject: [Ambassadors] Rapidshare download of Fedora ISO In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1224360386.14402.14.camel@wicktop.localdomain> (please don't top post) Am Samstag, den 18.10.2008, 23:54 +0500 schrieb Neo Reeves: > > Yeah I know...but most of them can't provide enough bandwidth for > rapid speed downloads. >From my experience I'd say most of them can easily provide that speeds, even more. Much more if you compare to the free (unregistered) downloads, because their speed is strongly limited. It's not fair to compare to the premium downloads because these are not free and I'd don't think we should promote downloads of free software through a service that people need to pay for. Another think that scares my about your idea: Everyone can upload to rapidshare. How do we make sure the images are really the original images? There is no way to validate the downloads e.g. with md5sums. IMO we should encourage the use of bittorrent. Most of the time it's the fastet way to download, it disburdens the mirrors and promotes the idea of sharing. Regards, Christoph From lajjr at yahoo.com Sat Oct 18 20:27:46 2008 From: lajjr at yahoo.com (Leo Jackson) Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2008 13:27:46 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Ambassadors] Rapidshare download of Fedora ISO In-Reply-To: <1224360386.14402.14.camel@wicktop.localdomain> Message-ID: <286595.8141.qm@web84306.mail.re1.yahoo.com> I agree rapid share is not a good idea. I downloaded, and verify that the file is good and find that items downloaded from uploads md5 check sum is wrong I reverse a package and the original with a bin-diff checker and find files that are not right. Or all md5 on files wrong. anti virus check find Trojan hidden file for rewrite of files. And bad ISO so if you download anything always do a check sum ASAP. Rapid share has long been a source for warez and other stuff. Regards, Leo Albert Jackson Jr Owner Head Programmer LJ's Electronics and Software --- On Sat, 10/18/08, Christoph Wickert wrote: > From: Christoph Wickert > Subject: Re: [Ambassadors] Rapidshare download of Fedora ISO > To: fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > Date: Saturday, October 18, 2008, 4:06 PM > (please don't top post) > > Am Samstag, den 18.10.2008, 23:54 +0500 schrieb Neo Reeves: > > > > Yeah I know...but most of them can't provide > enough bandwidth for > > rapid speed downloads. > > >From my experience I'd say most of them can easily > provide that speeds, > even more. Much more if you compare to the free > (unregistered) > downloads, because their speed is strongly limited. > It's not fair to > compare to the premium downloads because these are not free > and I'd > don't think we should promote downloads of free > software through a > service that people need to pay for. > > Another think that scares my about your idea: Everyone can > upload to > rapidshare. How do we make sure the images are really the > original > images? There is no way to validate the downloads e.g. with > md5sums. > > IMO we should encourage the use of bittorrent. Most of the > time it's the > fastet way to download, it disburdens the mirrors and > promotes the idea > of sharing. > > Regards, > Christoph > > > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list From nacross at gmail.com Sat Oct 18 21:13:52 2008 From: nacross at gmail.com (Neville A. Cross) Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2008 15:13:52 -0600 Subject: [Ambassadors] Fwd: Fedora repository at VNIT.. In-Reply-To: <20081018195624.GA12529@domsch.com> References: <61741.220.227.213.131.1224351875.squirrel@mail.vnit.ac.in> <20081018195624.GA12529@domsch.com> Message-ID: On Sat, Oct 18, 2008 at 1:56 PM, Matt Domsch wrote: >> Thanks for informing. I have already joined the group. I am starting the >> work on Fedora repository at our college. Wanted your help in that. Can >> you summarize how to go about it. We want it to be intracollege repository >> since keeping it open will increase the burden on servers here. So it >> would be great help if can provide help in it. >> >> thanks and regards, >> Anand. > > See http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Infrastructure/Mirroring for details > on how to set up a private mirror, register it in MirrorManager, and > thus serve your college. The information on the link above is very useful for the general work of the mirror, but for the fine details of creating a local mirror and updating the files contained on the mirror I will suggest that you also look at this link: http://www.howtoforge.com/setting-up-a-local-yum-repository-fedora8 Good luck -- Neville https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Yn1v Linux User # 473217 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Check: http://www.clickmanagua.com - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - From thinklinux.ssh at gmail.com Sat Oct 18 21:21:11 2008 From: thinklinux.ssh at gmail.com (susmit shannigrahi) Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2008 02:51:11 +0530 Subject: [Ambassadors] Fwd: Fedora repository at VNIT.. In-Reply-To: References: <61741.220.227.213.131.1224351875.squirrel@mail.vnit.ac.in> <20081018195624.GA12529@domsch.com> Message-ID: >> See http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Infrastructure/Mirroring for details >> on how to set up a private mirror, register it in MirrorManager, and >> thus serve your college. > > The information on the link above is very useful for the general work > of the mirror, but for the fine details of creating a local mirror and > updating the files contained on the mirror I will suggest that you > also look at this link: > > http://www.howtoforge.com/setting-up-a-local-yum-repository-fedora8 Thanks for the links. But I already manage one fedora mirror and a few other FOSS mirrors. I forwarded the mail only to let the list know about a new mirror coming up :) Thanks again. -- Regards, Susmit. ============================================= ssh 0x86DD170A http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/user:susmit ============================================= From neo.reeves at gmail.com Sun Oct 19 06:28:54 2008 From: neo.reeves at gmail.com (Neo Reeves) Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2008 11:28:54 +0500 Subject: [Ambassadors] Rapidshare download of Fedora ISO In-Reply-To: <286595.8141.qm@web84306.mail.re1.yahoo.com> References: <1224360386.14402.14.camel@wicktop.localdomain> <286595.8141.qm@web84306.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I never knew about the Warez/Trojan, usually cracked software come with them from Rapidshare, and the 4GB limit?? No I download more than that from Rapidshare per day. Ok since all of you share a common idea towards rapidshare I guess it is not a good choice after all. Thanks for the replies everyone. Thnx, Sameeh On Sun, Oct 19, 2008 at 1:27 AM, Leo Jackson wrote: > I agree rapid share is not a good idea. I downloaded, and verify that the > file is good and find that items downloaded from uploads md5 check sum is > wrong I reverse a package and the original with a bin-diff checker and find > files that are not right. Or all md5 on files wrong. anti virus check find > Trojan hidden file for rewrite of files. And bad ISO so if you download > anything always do a check sum ASAP. Rapid share has long been a source for > warez and other stuff. > > Regards, > > Leo Albert Jackson Jr > Owner Head Programmer > LJ's Electronics and Software > > > --- On Sat, 10/18/08, Christoph Wickert > wrote: > > > From: Christoph Wickert > > Subject: Re: [Ambassadors] Rapidshare download of Fedora ISO > > To: fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > > Date: Saturday, October 18, 2008, 4:06 PM > > (please don't top post) > > > > Am Samstag, den 18.10.2008, 23:54 +0500 schrieb Neo Reeves: > > > > > > Yeah I know...but most of them can't provide > > enough bandwidth for > > > rapid speed downloads. > > > > >From my experience I'd say most of them can easily > > provide that speeds, > > even more. Much more if you compare to the free > > (unregistered) > > downloads, because their speed is strongly limited. > > It's not fair to > > compare to the premium downloads because these are not free > > and I'd > > don't think we should promote downloads of free > > software through a > > service that people need to pay for. > > > > Another think that scares my about your idea: Everyone can > > upload to > > rapidshare. How do we make sure the images are really the > > original > > images? There is no way to validate the downloads e.g. with > > md5sums. > > > > IMO we should encourage the use of bittorrent. Most of the > > time it's the > > fastet way to download, it disburdens the mirrors and > > promotes the idea > > of sharing. > > > > Regards, > > Christoph > > > > > > -- > > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > -- .:: BELIEVE THE UNBELIEVABLE ::. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Distributing the live cd iamages should work size wise. -- Kam http://kamsalisbury.com GPG key: FAF1751E From neo.reeves at gmail.com Sun Oct 19 17:11:00 2008 From: neo.reeves at gmail.com (Neo Reeves) Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2008 22:11:00 +0500 Subject: [Ambassadors] Rapidshare download of Fedora ISO In-Reply-To: <48fb69b4.1e0f2c0a.3b26.70e6@mx.google.com> References: <48fb69b4.1e0f2c0a.3b26.70e6@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Finally, Someone almost kinda said a yes... any one else ?? Thnx Kam On Sun, Oct 19, 2008 at 10:08 PM, Kam wrote: > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Matt Domsch > Subj: Re: [Ambassadors] Rapidshare download of Fedora ISO > Date: Sat Oct 18, 2008 4:02 pm > Size: 762 bytes > To: fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > > On Sat, Oct 18, 2008 at 11:38:50PM +0500, Neo Reeves wrote: > > Hello all, > > > > I am an Ambassador for Maldives, and I was thinking whether how it > would > > be to upload Fedora ISOs to Rapidshare...Impatient users can get the > > fastest download speeds that way. What do you guys think ? > > even Premium Rapidshare members have a 4GB/day download limit. That's > less than a single DVD. > > > Distributing the live cd iamages should work size wise. > > -- > Kam > http://kamsalisbury.com > GPG key: FAF1751E > > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > -- .:: BELIEVE THE UNBELIEVABLE ::. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wonderer4711 at gmx.de Sun Oct 19 21:13:50 2008 From: wonderer4711 at gmx.de (wonderer) Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2008 23:13:50 +0200 Subject: [Ambassadors] Rapidshare download of Fedora ISO In-Reply-To: References: <48fb69b4.1e0f2c0a.3b26.70e6@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <48FBA30E.4040204@gmx.de> hello, sorry, but I find this idea very unreliable. rapidshare, megaload & Co. are in minds for unserious downloads like cracked software and stuff like that but not for whole OS downloads. Maybe you should look at bittorrent or something like that. best regards Henrik Heigl - wonderer at fedoraproject.org Neo Reeves schrieb: > Finally, > > Someone almost kinda said a yes... > any one else ?? > > Thnx Kam > > On Sun, Oct 19, 2008 at 10:08 PM, Kam > wrote: > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Matt Domsch > > Subj: Re: [Ambassadors] Rapidshare download of Fedora ISO > Date: Sat Oct 18, 2008 4:02 pm > Size: 762 bytes > To: fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > > > On Sat, Oct 18, 2008 at 11:38:50PM +0500, Neo Reeves wrote: > > Hello all, > > > > I am an Ambassador for Maldives, and I was thinking whether > how it would > > be to upload Fedora ISOs to Rapidshare...Impatient users can > get the > > fastest download speeds that way. What do you guys think ? > > even Premium Rapidshare members have a 4GB/day download limit. That's > less than a single DVD. > > > Distributing the live cd iamages should work size wise. > > -- > Kam > http://kamsalisbury.com > GPG key: FAF1751E > > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > > > > > -- > .:: BELIEVE THE UNBELIEVABLE ::. > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > From linux at elfshadow.net Mon Oct 20 01:24:05 2008 From: linux at elfshadow.net (Jeffrey Tadlock) Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2008 21:24:05 -0400 Subject: [Ambassadors] Event Report: Ohio Linux Fest 2008 Message-ID: <10e0a9b00810191824k1355055dud67082b38155238b@mail.gmail.com> The Ohio Linux Fest was held last weekend in Columbus, Ohio. It was a great event with 13 ambassadors in attendance and available to help out on Saturday. In addtion, on Sunday we held the first ever Fedora Ambassadors Day North America which was also a great success. Most of the details from the event can be found in the blog posts made by attendees in the week following the event. I have added links to all of the reports I am aware of here: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FedoraEvents/OhioLinuxFest/OhioLinuxFest2008#Reports And photos here: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FedoraEvents/OhioLinuxFest/OhioLinuxFest2008#Photos We look forward to doing this event again next year! From heqichen at yahoo.com.cn Mon Oct 20 04:49:27 2008 From: heqichen at yahoo.com.cn (=?gb2312?q?=BA=CE=E7=F7=B3=BD?=) Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2008 12:49:27 +0800 (CST) Subject: [Ambassadors] about WGA Message-ID: <692302.71516.qm@web15006.mail.cnb.yahoo.com> Microsoft released an update that cause desktop to turn black continually as an anti-piracy strategy. What should Open Source Community do? __________________________________________________ ??????????????? http://cn.mail.yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From harish.pillay at gmail.com Mon Oct 20 05:01:17 2008 From: harish.pillay at gmail.com (Harish Pillay) Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2008 13:01:17 +0800 Subject: [Ambassadors] about WGA In-Reply-To: <692302.71516.qm@web15006.mail.cnb.yahoo.com> References: <692302.71516.qm@web15006.mail.cnb.yahoo.com> Message-ID: > Microsoft released an update that cause desktop to turn black continually as > an anti-piracy strategy. > What should Open Source Community do? What *can* we do? If Microsoft wants to annoy their users, they have many years of experience. So, I say, let it be. You could proactively provide these users with a Fedora liveCD. -- Harish Pillay h.pillay at ieee.org gpg id: 746809E3 fingerprint: F7F5 5CCD 25B9 FC25 303E 3DA2 0F80 27DB 7468 09E3 From opossum1er at fedoraproject.org Mon Oct 20 06:31:37 2008 From: opossum1er at fedoraproject.org (Carlos Vassalo (opossum1er)) Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2008 08:31:37 +0200 Subject: [Ambassadors] about WGA In-Reply-To: References: <692302.71516.qm@web15006.mail.cnb.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1224484297.3092.0.camel@lap1.lusonet.selfip.org> Le lundi 20 octobre 2008 ? 13:01 +0800, Harish Pillay a ?crit : > > Microsoft released an update that cause desktop to turn black continually as > > an anti-piracy strategy. > > What should Open Source Community do? > > What *can* we do? If Microsoft wants to annoy their users, they have > many years of experience. So, I say, let it be. You could proactively > provide these users with a Fedora liveCD. +1 -- Carlos Vassalo (opossum1er) French fedora ambassador opossum1er at fedoraproject.org GPG fingerprint : 1E38 D153 476F C831 0CF6 0A6A 2E7A 992F 8958 8851 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 197 bytes Desc: Ceci est une partie de message num?riquement sign?e URL: From lucas at cefetce.br Mon Oct 20 12:26:08 2008 From: lucas at cefetce.br (Lucas - Linux Sys. Admin (CEFETCE/UAB)) Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2008 09:26:08 -0300 Subject: [Ambassadors] about WGA In-Reply-To: <1224484297.3092.0.camel@lap1.lusonet.selfip.org> References: <692302.71516.qm@web15006.mail.cnb.yahoo.com> <1224484297.3092.0.camel@lap1.lusonet.selfip.org> Message-ID: That's what we can do for now, get ready you CD/DVD burners ! eheheheh :) 2008/10/20 Carlos Vassalo (opossum1er) > Le lundi 20 octobre 2008 ? 13:01 +0800, Harish Pillay a ?crit : > > > Microsoft released an update that cause desktop to turn black > continually as > > > an anti-piracy strategy. > > > What should Open Source Community do? > > > > What *can* we do? If Microsoft wants to annoy their users, they have > > many years of experience. So, I say, let it be. You could proactively > > provide these users with a Fedora liveCD. > +1 > > -- > Carlos Vassalo (opossum1er) > French fedora ambassador > opossum1er at fedoraproject.org > GPG fingerprint : 1E38 D153 476F C831 0CF6 0A6A 2E7A 992F 8958 8851 > > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > > -- -- -- Atenciosamente, Lucas do Amaral Saboya CEFET-CE - UAB-CE. Linux System Administrator Trainee Fedora Ambassador & Fedora Translator -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lucas at cefetce.br Mon Oct 20 12:28:33 2008 From: lucas at cefetce.br (Lucas - Linux Sys. Admin (CEFETCE/UAB)) Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2008 09:28:33 -0300 Subject: [Ambassadors] Rapidshare download of Fedora ISO In-Reply-To: <48FBA30E.4040204@gmx.de> References: <48fb69b4.1e0f2c0a.3b26.70e6@mx.google.com> <48FBA30E.4040204@gmx.de> Message-ID: BT is a good idea indeed, we already got a lot of servers seeding, besides our community, which does most of the job! :) On Sun, Oct 19, 2008 at 6:13 PM, wonderer wrote: > hello, > > sorry, but I find this idea very unreliable. rapidshare, megaload & Co. > are in minds for unserious downloads like cracked software and stuff > like that but not for whole OS downloads. Maybe you should look at > bittorrent or something like that. > > best regards > Henrik Heigl - wonderer at fedoraproject.org > > Neo Reeves schrieb: > > Finally, > > > > Someone almost kinda said a yes... > > any one else ?? > > > > Thnx Kam > > > > On Sun, Oct 19, 2008 at 10:08 PM, Kam > > wrote: > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: Matt Domsch > > > Subj: Re: [Ambassadors] Rapidshare download of Fedora ISO > > Date: Sat Oct 18, 2008 4:02 pm > > Size: 762 bytes > > To: fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > > > > > > On Sat, Oct 18, 2008 at 11:38:50PM +0500, Neo Reeves wrote: > > > Hello all, > > > > > > I am an Ambassador for Maldives, and I was thinking whether > > how it would > > > be to upload Fedora ISOs to Rapidshare...Impatient users can > > get the > > > fastest download speeds that way. What do you guys think ? > > > > even Premium Rapidshare members have a 4GB/day download limit. > That's > > less than a single DVD. > > > > > > Distributing the live cd iamages should work size wise. > > > > -- > > Kam > > http://kamsalisbury.com > > GPG key: FAF1751E > > > > -- > > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > > > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > > > > > > > > > > -- > > .:: BELIEVE THE UNBELIEVABLE ::. > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > -- > > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > > > > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by MailScanner, and is > believed to be clean. > > :::: CONTRIBUA COM O MEIO AMBIENTE. N?O IMPRIMA ESTA MENSAGEM ::::: > > > -- -- -- Atenciosamente, Lucas do Amaral Saboya CEFET-CE - UAB-CE. Linux System Administrator Trainee Fedora Ambassador & Fedora Translator -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From aks at fedoraproject.org Mon Oct 20 12:45:32 2008 From: aks at fedoraproject.org (Abhishek Singh) Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2008 18:30:32 +0545 Subject: [Ambassadors] about WGA In-Reply-To: References: <692302.71516.qm@web15006.mail.cnb.yahoo.com> <1224484297.3092.0.camel@lap1.lusonet.selfip.org> Message-ID: <48FC7D6C.5060709@fedoraproject.org> Lucas - Linux Sys. Admin (CEFETCE/UAB) wrote: > That's what we can do for now, get ready you CD/DVD burners ! eheheheh :) > > > 2008/10/20 Carlos Vassalo (opossum1er) > > > Le lundi 20 octobre 2008 ? 13:01 +0800, Harish Pillay a ?crit : > > > Microsoft released an update that cause desktop to turn black > continually as > > > an anti-piracy strategy. > > > What should Open Source Community do? > > > > What *can* we do? If Microsoft wants to annoy their users, they > have > > many years of experience. So, I say, let it be. You could > proactively > > provide these users with a Fedora liveCD. > +1 > > -- > Carlos Vassalo (opossum1er) > French fedora ambassador > opossum1er at fedoraproject.org > GPG fingerprint : 1E38 D153 476F C831 0CF6 0A6A 2E7A 992F 8958 8851 > > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > > > > > -- > -- > -- > Atenciosamente, > Lucas do Amaral Saboya > > CEFET-CE - UAB-CE. > Linux System Administrator Trainee > Fedora Ambassador & Fedora Translator > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > We must rather see it as an opportunity for the Open Source enthusiasts to capture another great segment of user towards our community. Lets convince them of the benefits of FOSS. Distributing Fedora Live CDs would be great. We can even strengthen our campaign through Local LUGs, and probably organize discussions. That would help. Regards, Abhishek Singh -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 259 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From fugolini at fedoraproject.org Mon Oct 20 16:57:21 2008 From: fugolini at fedoraproject.org (Francesco Ugolini) Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2008 18:57:21 +0200 Subject: [Ambassadors] Fedora Release Events status Message-ID: To all the ambassadors interested in F10 Release Events, in the last weeks I didn't talk so much here about those inititiave, so I want to know if there are problems or if you have questions about the organization. On my front I was working trying to mapping al the event and release a KML file that you could use with your proffered web map to promote the event (actually a need-to-be-updated version is stored in my fedora space at /fugolini.fedorapeople.org/replace.kml):eel free to suggest me changes about those data etc. (edit or add your event and then send me the changes). Secondly, I want to know from another marketing point of view what do you think if we will cover weekly (after the release) the release events, maybe posting the reports link in FWN. This is the most important fedora organized and worldwide spread event (we are going from America to Asia), so I think we have to make something special. I know this is the second time we hold such event and surely we will have other opportunities to improve this one, but I'm sure we can try to figure out what we can do now and try to fix all the problems we may face from the root. Thank you for your precious work Best regards Francesco Ugolini From coolsagy at gmail.com Mon Oct 20 18:08:20 2008 From: coolsagy at gmail.com (SatyaSagar) Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2008 23:38:20 +0530 Subject: [Ambassadors] about WGA In-Reply-To: <48FC7D6C.5060709@fedoraproject.org> References: <692302.71516.qm@web15006.mail.cnb.yahoo.com> <1224484297.3092.0.camel@lap1.lusonet.selfip.org> <48FC7D6C.5060709@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: But From where can we get Fedora Live Cds.??? Am a novice into this league... So give me out more info on this.. 2008/10/20 Abhishek Singh > Lucas - Linux Sys. Admin (CEFETCE/UAB) wrote: > > That's what we can do for now, get ready you CD/DVD burners ! eheheheh :) > > > > > > 2008/10/20 Carlos Vassalo (opossum1er) > > > > > > Le lundi 20 octobre 2008 ? 13:01 +0800, Harish Pillay a ?crit : > > > > Microsoft released an update that cause desktop to turn black > > continually as > > > > an anti-piracy strategy. > > > > What should Open Source Community do? > > > > > > What *can* we do? If Microsoft wants to annoy their users, they > > have > > > many years of experience. So, I say, let it be. You could > > proactively > > > provide these users with a Fedora liveCD. > > +1 > > > > -- > > Carlos Vassalo (opossum1er) > > French fedora ambassador > > opossum1er at fedoraproject.org > > GPG fingerprint : 1E38 D153 476F C831 0CF6 0A6A 2E7A 992F 8958 8851 > > > > -- > > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > > > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > > > > > > > > > > -- > > -- > > -- > > Atenciosamente, > > Lucas do Amaral Saboya > > > > CEFET-CE - UAB-CE. > > Linux System Administrator Trainee > > Fedora Ambassador & Fedora Translator > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > -- > > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > > > We must rather see it as an opportunity for the Open Source enthusiasts > to capture another great segment of user towards our community. Lets > convince them of the benefits of FOSS. Distributing Fedora Live CDs > would be great. We can even strengthen our campaign through Local LUGs, > and probably organize discussions. That would help. > > Regards, > Abhishek Singh > > > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > > -- Regards, SatyaSagar Bhat -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From harish.pillay at gmail.com Mon Oct 20 18:10:25 2008 From: harish.pillay at gmail.com (Harish Pillay) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2008 02:10:25 +0800 Subject: [Ambassadors] about WGA In-Reply-To: References: <692302.71516.qm@web15006.mail.cnb.yahoo.com> <1224484297.3092.0.camel@lap1.lusonet.selfip.org> <48FC7D6C.5060709@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: > But From where can we get Fedora Live Cds.??? > Am a novice into this league... > So give me out more info on this.. Tell us where you live and that will help locate the closest Fedora Ambassador who could mail you a copy of the LiveCD. Harish From coolsagy at gmail.com Mon Oct 20 21:26:42 2008 From: coolsagy at gmail.com (SatyaSagar) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2008 02:56:42 +0530 Subject: [Ambassadors] about WGA In-Reply-To: References: <692302.71516.qm@web15006.mail.cnb.yahoo.com> <1224484297.3092.0.camel@lap1.lusonet.selfip.org> <48FC7D6C.5060709@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: I live in Bangalore, INDIA. (+91 98 4455 9393) On 10/20/08, Harish Pillay wrote: >> But From where can we get Fedora Live Cds.??? >> Am a novice into this league... >> So give me out more info on this.. > > Tell us where you live and that will help locate the closest Fedora > Ambassador who could mail you a copy of the LiveCD. > > Harish > > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > -- Regards, SatyaSagar Bhat From linuxinprojects at gmail.com Tue Oct 21 00:30:22 2008 From: linuxinprojects at gmail.com (shaun mallette) Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2008 19:30:22 -0500 Subject: [Ambassadors] about WGA In-Reply-To: References: <692302.71516.qm@web15006.mail.cnb.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <48FD229E.3070802@gmail.com> We all can laugh, we run Linux. Harish Pillay wrote: >> Microsoft released an update that cause desktop to turn black continually as >> an anti-piracy strategy. >> What should Open Source Community do? >> > > What *can* we do? If Microsoft wants to annoy their users, they have > many years of experience. So, I say, let it be. You could proactively > provide these users with a Fedora liveCD. > > From christoph.wickert at googlemail.com Tue Oct 21 10:44:15 2008 From: christoph.wickert at googlemail.com (Christoph Wickert) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2008 12:44:15 +0200 Subject: [Ambassadors] Rapidshare download of Fedora ISO In-Reply-To: References: <48fb69b4.1e0f2c0a.3b26.70e6@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <1224585855.3416.22.camel@wicktop.localdomain> Am Sonntag, den 19.10.2008, 22:11 +0500 schrieb Neo Reeves: > Finally, > > Someone almost kinda said a yes... But I count at least 4 people who had objections. Regards, Christoph From neo.reeves at gmail.com Tue Oct 21 11:40:57 2008 From: neo.reeves at gmail.com (Neo Reeves) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2008 16:40:57 +0500 Subject: [Ambassadors] Rapidshare download of Fedora ISO In-Reply-To: <1224585855.3416.22.camel@wicktop.localdomain> References: <48fb69b4.1e0f2c0a.3b26.70e6@mx.google.com> <1224585855.3416.22.camel@wicktop.localdomain> Message-ID: yeah NO GO then... lets wrap this up.. On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 3:44 PM, Christoph Wickert < christoph.wickert at googlemail.com> wrote: > Am Sonntag, den 19.10.2008, 22:11 +0500 schrieb Neo Reeves: > > Finally, > > > > Someone almost kinda said a yes... > > But I count at least 4 people who had objections. > > Regards, > Christoph > > > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > -- .:: BELIEVE THE UNBELIEVABLE ::. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From frankly3d at gmail.com Tue Oct 21 12:18:16 2008 From: frankly3d at gmail.com (Frank Murphy) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2008 13:18:16 +0100 Subject: [Ambassadors] about WGA In-Reply-To: <692302.71516.qm@web15006.mail.cnb.yahoo.com> References: <692302.71516.qm@web15006.mail.cnb.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1224591496.5808.2.camel@frank-01> On Mon, 2008-10-20 at 12:49 +0800, ??? wrote: > Microsoft released an update that cause desktop to turn black > continually as an anti-piracy strategy. > What should Open Source Community do? > Basically irrelevant. Unless they have a licensed copy, dual booted\Virtualised with Fedora. and it causes Fedora problems. Frank -- gpg id EB547226 Revoked Forgot Password :( aMSN: Frankly3D http://www.frankly3d.com From herlo1 at gmail.com Tue Oct 21 15:12:00 2008 From: herlo1 at gmail.com (Clint Savage) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2008 09:12:00 -0600 Subject: [Ambassadors] Fwd: [Reminder] FAMNA Meeting @ 2008-10-21 9pm EDT Message-ID: FAMNA Meeting 2008-10-21 9pm EDT irc.freenode.net #fedora-meeting Just a quick reminder that we'll be holding our weekly meeting in #fedora-meeting (irc.freenode.net) tonight at 9pm EDT (01:00 UTC) The main meeting topic will follow the theme of the last two weeks -- 'Mentoring - How to improve the contributor joining process'. Tonight's guests are from the docs team, Karsten 'quaid' Wade and Jared Smith (among others). If you are interested in participating, or have something to contribute, feel free to add it to our agenda http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/Meetings/2008-10-21 See you all there. From herlo1 at gmail.com Wed Oct 22 13:43:27 2008 From: herlo1 at gmail.com (Clint Savage) Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2008 07:43:27 -0600 Subject: [Ambassadors] FAmNA Meeting Minutes from 2008-10-21 Message-ID: -!- herlo changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: FAmNA meeting < herlo> rollcall * quaid is here < pcalarco> PascalCalarco * DemonJester BrianPowell -!- herlo changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: FAmNA Meeting - Agenda located here: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/Meetings/2008-10-21 * herlo is Clint Savage * jsmith is Jared Smith < crossbytes> crossbytes is Kevin Higgins * inode0 is inode0 < herlo> orly? < inode0> look me up in FAS :) < quaid> .fas inode0 < zodbot> quaid: inode0 'John T. Rose' * quaid is going to answer rollcall from now on this way: < quaid> .fas quaid < zodbot> quaid: quaid 'Karsten Wade' < herlo> good idea * herlo adds that to the meeting policies :) < herlo> alright, looks like the stragglers will join us soon < lajjr> * < herlo> let's get started < herlo> Per the agenda, I'll be running this meeting and our first item of business is to do what we've done over the past couple weeks with different groups. < herlo> we need to understand better the Join process from docs this week < quaid> ok! < herlo> so, how this process usually works < quaid> jsmith was getting some food, stickster is putting people to bed, so I'm the designated hot-seater * jsmith is here to silently support quaid < herlo> is we start by having you describe the process in pretty good detail. Wiki links are helpful, but we'd like the full process in front of us here < quaid> yay1 < herlo> so quaid, if you don't mind, and thank you for being here. < herlo> could you go through hwat it takes to become a docs project member? < quaid> .fashowtojoindocs * quaid j/k < herlo> lol < DemonJester> lol < herlo> +1 though < jsmith> Good one quaid < quaid> one day maybe < quaid> ok, let's see ... < quaid> first comes the burning desire, and it cannot be something gastric < quaid> the basics are: < quaid> Join the mailing list and send a self-introduction; this is old practice, still worth it, and first in the process. < quaid> s/Join/1. Join/ < quaid> 2. Register for accounts - bugzilla, FAS, wiki < herlo> any requests on the join email? Like, should they say why they are good at documentation or what they've accomplished? < quaid> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject/Join/CheckList < quaid> yes, there is a page with details for the self-introl < jsmith> and let me just add that it's important for existing members to reply to that intro email and say "Welcome to the team! How can we help you get started?" < quaid> exactly < quaid> I commonly ask people if they want direction at tasks or want to look around themselves and find something to do. < quaid> after that initial joining, there are documents people must read and understand < quaid> cf. Packaging Guidelines < quaid> so, style guide, how to write on the wiki, same for DocBook conversion, wachlist usage, etc. < quaid> we need to update that page < quaid> to reflect the moving of guides from CVS to individual fedorahosted.org projecs < quaid> so that is something new < quaid> we have each guide/document have a stand-alone project on fedorahosted.org < quaid> so a community of contributors can grow around the docs, cf. packages and code < herlo> so let's see if we can nail this down quickly then what is needed to join the DocsProject < herlo> 1. FAS Account < quaid> in that case, it is *not* a requirement to be in Docs 'docs' to be a part of a guide < herlo> 2. Join Mailing list and send a self intro < quaid> e.g. a developer could get commit access to git/package-guide without going through the DOcs join hools < quaid> hoops < Dp67> I was encouraged *not* to send a self intro.. That should should be changed so that everyone is on the same page. < herlo> 3. Register for bugzilla, wiki, etc < quaid> herlo: I say, swap 1. and 2. < herlo> Dp67: depends, we're discussing docs, not ambassadors < Dp67> OK < herlo> Dp67: certain groups do it differently < herlo> quaid: okay < herlo> quaid: you can join the ml without being part of FAS? < quaid> herlo: yes, it's hosted on redhat.com < jsmith> herlo: Absolutely! < quaid> herlo: but that's a good point ... < herlo> so is it read only? or just anyone can post? < herlo> not that I worry, just wondering < quaid> you have to be a subscriber to post < quaid> but we review the moderation queue semi-regularly < herlo> well, yeah < quaid> oh < quaid> we do not require membership or self-intro to post < quaid> just to be "part of Docs" < quaid> which really means 'docs' group in FAS < herlo> okay, so that's good to know < herlo> so 1 and 2 are swapped. < quaid> in the older days, that was a big deal -- we were a group that gave early access to CVS when it was scarce, pre-Extras days. < quaid> what we get < quaid> which others get too < quaid> are people requesting 'docs' in FAS and never self-introing, even with a prod. < herlo> what do you mean requesting 'docs'? < quaid> that is why I like the 'self-intro first', even though people can do whatever order in reality. < quaid> that's the FAS 'docs' group < herlo> meaning they request to be a member of docs, but then never go through the process?? < quaid> yes < quaid> but the process is not linked from within FAS * herlo points out this common thread among all groups we've talked with so far < quaid> "F < quaid> :D < herlo> a stopping point < quaid> why I pointed it out < herlo> and how do we get them past it, that's hopefully what we can chagne < quaid> because I've heard about it, too, and I've filed UI RFEs around it, but don't have a clear answer. < quaid> you know < quaid> I don't think a self-intro is a bad stopping point. < herlo> okay, so here's where it gets fuzzy for me, once you become a member of docs, and have clearance to work on some, where do you go? < quaid> if people do not want to introduce themselves, say what they want to do, etc., what do we think they are going to do? < herlo> no argument < quaid> ok, so .... < herlo> it's a hard thing < herlo> to fix < quaid> i. wiki is open to all, but Docs are the gardeners, so we put people to work there < quaid> ii. each guide happens in a separate fedorahosted.org project, so people request e.g. gitinstall-guide and start on that < herlo> is that a FAS group now? < quaid> iii. beat writers go to work in Docs/Beats/ (soon to be renamed after F10 releases) < herlo> what are beat writers exactly? < quaid> herlo: gitinstall-guide, gitreadme, etc. < quaid> ok, so < quaid> the idea is bigger than release notes, but that is what it is mainly used for. * herlo asks questions, expecting answers at some point, no rush < quaid> they are like embedded writers, who work within a SIG, sub-project, or alongside a package/technology of interest. < quaid> "I administrate 20 Samba servers, so I go hang out on f-devel-l and a samba list to learn the latest; read the feature pages; and write the changes in to Docs/Beats/Samba" < herlo> so technically, they should be writing this stuff up on a regular basis? < quaid> the focus is on a release, because we turn those in to the release notes < herlo> oh, okay < quaid> but this does happen, in that Fedora Weekly News now has beats < herlo> cool < quaid> and there _could_ be a combination around that < quaid> but that ain't there yet < quaid> a better example, for me: < quaid> when I was writing the Red Hat SELinux Guide, I was working on fedora-selinux-list daily, maintained the SELinux FAQ, and wrote the SELinux beat for the release notes < quaid> so I turned my for-free community work in to understanding and content to support my for-pay work @redhat.com. < herlo> nice < quaid> and that experience is what spawned the beats concept, back in the FC3 days. < herlo> how many beats are there? < herlo> and I suppose you expect them to grow? < quaid> looks like around 50 < herlo> okay, that's a lot < quaid> they change per release, growing and contracting. < quaid> and not all are written to each release, some stay empty and are trimmed for GA. < herlo> do we have 50 beat writers? and is that your goal? to have one beat writer per beat? < herlo> or are you looking for a couple three beats per writer? < quaid> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs/Beats#Beat_Assignments < quaid> "it depends" < quaid> for a long time, mether wrote 50%+ of the content across many, many beats < quaid> but that is not sustainable :) < herlo> yeah, that seems a bit much for one person to take on < quaid> I'd say ... there might be one per beat, depending on how people are in sub-projects < quaid> but the key is, each SIG and sub-proj needs "Beat writer" as a role < herlo> plus stickster probably did some too, but being the FPL can't make time as free, my guess < quaid> to maintain the FWN connection as well as relnotes < herlo> does that mean each SIG should recruit them or docs should? < quaid> each SIG should < quaid> but Docs also does it, < quaid> pointing people at where there are holes, and where they might have interest. < herlo> so do the SIGs know do to this? < quaid> probably not < quaid> despite publicity over the years < herlo> okay, well we can help with that I think < quaid> okay, be aware - I am going to swear here * jsmith covers herlo's ears * inode0 puts hands over ears < herlo> uh oh, quaid get mad! < quaid> it is really fucking easy to contribute to our release notes, and contributions are pretty piss poor considering how many people spend their days on fedora-devel-list. < quaid> it's worse than 100:1\ < quaid> or nearly < quaid> improvement has been linear and nearly flat over the years < quaid> so that's a specific goal I have to make, to figure out how to fix that :) < herlo> so can you explain the process of how a SIG should contribute one person? I am guessing a lot of them think that docs is 'not their job' < herlo> or contribute in general < kam> ? < herlo> kam: go < kam> So... * ke4qqq is late and apologizes < quaid> just use the Docs/Beats/ page as a note taking space, more relaxed than e.g. the Feature pages. < kam> considering I have an interest in Liove < kam> Live < kam> I go to https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs/Beats/Live < kam> login with my FAS account < kam> then edit away? < herlo> quaid: ? < herlo> wanna take that one? < jsmith> kam: Exactly :-) * quaid back < quaid> basically, yes < quaid> ideally you also watch that page, so when we update your changes, you learn or know, or can respond. < kam> Using the beats list from this meeting, Live is "open" so if al I have to do is edit https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs/Beats/Live then I am up for it < quaid> kam: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs/Beats/HowTo < jsmith> We have people on the docs team that will help with the other parts (conversion to DocBook, getting it into revision control, etc.) Just write! < herlo> quaid: look at that, right in our meeting :) a new contributor to docs... < kam> ok, I can hadle the wiriting, thanks! < kam> yup, sign me up for Live, I will do some edits this week < jsmith> kam: Welcome to the team :-) < lajjr> me too.. < quaid> kam: go ahead and add your name to Beat_Assignments in the table < kam> Gee, thanks < herlo> jsmith: that's a good thing to point out though. It's not all writing too, some people could be programmatically inclined and could help work on docs software < kam> Will do now. Thanks again < gregdek> .fas gdk < quaid> kam: these changes are going to appear in the GA; we've already pulled content for the Preview Release < herlo> gregdek: welcome < gregdek> Aw. < gregdek> :) < gregdek> .fas gdk < zodbot> gregdek: gdk 'Greg DeKoenigsberg' < lajjr> doc software great. < gregdek> Yeah! :) < quaid> herlo: in fact, we now maintian 'content' and 'admin' distinctions in tasks, where 'admin' can be very programmtic < herlo> okay, so back on topic a little bit here, I think we're getting close to wrapping up < quaid> we do need code help :) < lajjr> love it. coding is my life and art too LOL < kam> Ok. It is a good point though. While I can write I am not skilled in docbook so maybe that comes later as skills develop < quaid> kam: exactly, evolution of the individual < herlo> so if there were three things you'd like to see come out of a mentoring project from Ambassadors, what would those things be? < jsmith> Yes, there's some programmatic admin work, but some of us use that as an excuse not to write more docs ;-) < quaid> herlo: can you be more specific? just so jsmith is clear, too < herlo> sure < herlo> In general, we would like to help you get people into docs and bring them along so that it's easier for them and for you as Docs folks < herlo> our goal is to be the nudge in their back, the kick in their side, etc < herlo> what I want to know, is what areas should we be considering pointing people < herlo> wiki for sure, software development and beats seem reasonable, but I'm not always contributing to docs like I probably should < herlo> so maybe there's a bigger need somewhere < quaid> i. wiki is pretty important and needs tons of work; we have a lot of help for wiki gardeners now < quaid> -- so they need help finding that help < quaid> -- and encouragement to be bold < quaid> ii. technical documentation is _way_ thin, beef up there < quaid> -- we rely upon upstream docs too much < quaid> -- for starters, we need to get the Fedora Packaging Guide into XML, versioned, and translated < quaid> --- that is a big ball of wax, btw :) < quaid> -- we always have interest in helping end-users, so that's why the focus for tech docs < quaid> iii ??? * quaid leaves that open for the moment for stickster or jsmith input < herlo> what about admins?? < quaid> well, yes < herlo> programmers, et al < quaid> admins are a form of end-user and admin tasks abound < quaid> seen this: < quaid> http://www.redhat.com/docs/en-US/Red_Hat_Enterprise_Linux/5.2/html/Deployment_Guide/index.html < quaid> that beast is supposed to arrive as an upstream doc we can contribute t < quaid> so the entirety of a useful admin doc is there, we just need to funnel writers to it. < herlo> okay, cool < herlo> what I was referring to was more about maintaining the software (aka docbook, etc) < herlo> but that might be good too < quaid> ah, thanks < quaid> yeah, we do need some people who can help us care for and grow out toolchaiin < quaid> publican does docbook, but that is only a piece < herlo> what's the name of the new software that is used now? < herlo> publican, yeah that's it < quaid> we have CMS needs, wiki customizations, etc. < herlo> I'm guessing websites helps you some with this, but seems to me like a bit of a crossover < quaid> yeah, ianweller, ricky, and G are super helpful with the wiki, CMS < herlo> cool < quaid> but we are bleeding them from other important stuff * jsmith is happy to tutor people in the basics of Publican < herlo> okay, so only one other question from me... < quaid> so we could use ... 2+ people who work crossover with Websites on Docs stuff < herlo> well, I might be able to help there, we'll talk later < herlo> anyway, one more question for you quaid, then I think we'll wrap this up for others < herlo> to ask < quaid> ok < herlo> quaid: explain wiki gardening. I understand it, but I want to get the concept here so we can share < quaid> ok < herlo> and get people interested in it < quaid> the wiki is so big and getting bigger < quaid> that the only way to reign over it is to imagine it like a gigantic park < quaid> and we are the stewards < quaid> so wherever we go, we keep a pair pruning shears, a small garden trowel, and are ready to: < quaid> * prune pages < quaid> ** converting long ones into smaller < quaid> * organizing < quaid> ** adding pages to Category:Foo < quaid> * composting < quaid> ** moving old pages to Archive:Old/Wiki/PageNameMostLikely < quaid> ** moving meetings to Meeting: < quaid> * watching certain pages < quaid> ** needs love < quaid> etc. < quaid> we provide a general map of how things should go; Help:Wiki_structure, Help:Editing < herlo> okay, so that's good to know. I for one think that Wiki Gardening could be happening in more areas pretty easily... < quaid> I'm working on a 'how to rename your 100 wiki pages' guide since we need to do that for DocsProject.* < herlo> maybe we as ambassadors can take on some of that to help ease the burden... < quaid> sure, it's a project-wide thing, not Docs specific < herlo> right, my point < quaid> we are ultimately accountable for getting it done, but that doesn't mean we have to do all the work < quaid> in fact, the best wiki gardeners aren't in docs < quaid> s/the best/some of the best/ < herlo> okay, so let's open the floor for questions really quick < quaid> go! < ke4qqq> ? < herlo> ke4qqq: go ahead < ke4qqq> so if I am an aspiring docs writer.... < ke4qqq> or an ambassador trying to mentor < ke4qqq> how do I know whats out there to work on. < jsmith> ke4qqq: There's always http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs/Drafts < quaid> which should be < jsmith> ke4qqq: But don't hesitate to ask on the mailing list or in IRC, and we'll guide you along :-) < quaid> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Category:Draft_Documentation < DemonJester> ? < herlo> go DemonJester < ke4qqq> hmmm I was looking for the list of tasks actually < quaid> ke4qqq: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs_Project_tasks < DemonJester> any specific skillsets you look for or would like in a potential Docs contributor? < quaid> DemonJester: ability/willingness to learn; some staying power and be responsible < quaid> writing and editing are, strangely enough, not requirements < quaid> nor is English, per se < quaid> if a team wants to write in another language, as long as they follow all the processes, it's good enough < quaid> I'll read it when it gets translated to en-US :) < herlo> neat < DemonJester> hehe * herlo didn't know that < herlo> time for one more question < herlo> okay, that's it for me on the Docs mentoring, thanks quaid, jsmith for your enlightenment < quaid> word++ < DemonJester> yes thank you quaid and jsmith! < quaid> Say hello to your mother for me < pcalarco> very intersting, thanks! < kam> +1 < herlo> alright, quickly, let's move through the tasks, for those of you who haven't looked at it in a while, I have updated the list... < herlo> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/NA/Tasks < herlo> it's quite trimmed down... * quaid moves to the house < herlo> first up is the eventual addition of 3 more EventBoxen, I just wanted to mention it was there, and would like to see these completed by 2009 sometime. < herlo> any thoughts, opinions on this? < inode0> I agree, especially with contributions coming in for them it is important we get them as soon as we can < pcalarco> its mostly funds that are needed to complete this at this point? < ke4qqq> sounds good - we are already hitting conflicts and thus need at least another one < herlo> pretty much, and a decent process for managing them < herlo> pcalarco: ^^ * inode0 volunteered his share of discretionary funds for that purpose ke4qqq < herlo> I think getting a budget for them isn't hard. We already have $125/region extra available... < herlo> maybe we could use that to get the boxen themselves, which is essentially the most expensive part < ke4qqq> _1 < pcalarco> seems very doable by 2009 < ke4qqq> +1 < herlo> agreed < ke4qqq> I think that I'll ask max if I can use some of my unused event funds for this. < herlo> +1 < herlo> I'm going to move on, okay? < ke4qqq> k < herlo> the next item I'd like to discuss is the EventTracking status. < herlo> it came to my attention that this is going to be very challenging to keep track of on a separate page from the FedoraEvents page < herlo> so my thought was, why not add a *reports* column to the Event list < pcalarco> +1 < herlo> and link to the event reports, and have this be part of the process for an event owner, should be pretty easy to manage. Plus we can add events after the fact here too < herlo> any other thoughts on this one? < ke4qqq> I am worried that we are going to compress thing - and we are forcing changes on groups other than NA < ke4qqq> but I like the idea. < herlo> well, the tables are separated by region, so we only have to do it for our region < DemonJester> ke4qqq: agreed < ke4qqq> good point < DemonJester> +1 < crossbytes> +1 < ke4qqq> so you are going to announce that we are making the change and then do it? < herlo> sweet, I'll get that in motion then. It should be pretty easy < herlo> ke4qqq: I could, or we could do it and then announce it < herlo> order doesn't seem important to me personally < ke4qqq> me either < ke4qqq> but if we are going to do it we might as well let people know < herlo> k, I'll get it on the wiki, and then ask you all to blog about it again... < ke4qqq> k * herlo assigns himself a modified task < herlo> okay, there are two here we can't/won't discuss AmbKit (coming to a FUDCon near you) and media production < ke4qqq> ? < herlo> but I would like to make a note that we *really* need to bug iWolf on getting approval for our pricing < herlo> ke4qqq: go < ke4qqq> I was going to say something about bugging iwolf as well < herlo> :) lol < herlo> ke4qqq: I assign you that task and me too and inode0 < herlo> :-D < ke4qqq> k * inode0 can be proficient bugging people < herlo> we good here? * herlo moves forward to the last item, EventBox transfer policy < jds2001> we should get him to setup fedora talk and take turns bugging him. < pcalarco> quick random question < herlo> jds2001: good idea +1 < pcalarco> for after we are done agenda < ke4qqq> jds2001: he has a hardphone for Ftalk < herlo> pcalarco: only one more item... < pcalarco> yep * jds2001 finally off the phone with $DAYJOB :) < ke4qqq> .ext iwolf < zodbot> ke4qqq: Error getting info for user: "iwolf" < jds2001> .fas tadlock < zodbot> jds2001: jeffreyt 'Jeffrey Tadlock' < herlo> we had a lively discussion this morning/afternoon about the transfer policy. Unfortunately for me, I was not on my real irc client so I'll have to go bakc and read up < jds2001> .ext jeffreyt < zodbot> jds2001: 5100386 < herlo> however, the eventbox policy has been started. I heard a lot of good ideas about the policy. < herlo> I want to get those down on the wiki page < herlo> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/NA/Drafts/EventBoxShipping < herlo> if any of you have time in the next week, let's get this policy updated and in place at least enough to make it useable and friendly < jds2001> looks usable to me as is, what's wrong with it? < herlo> do we want to have the discussion about the eventbox shipping policy here now? or should we just work on it over the next couple weeks and report back mid-november * jds2001 suggests removing option 2 from what to do after event. < herlo> jds2001: I think it is, there were discussions of adding and/or removing items < herlo> like that < herlo> jds2001: the reason that is there, is so we regional ambassadors can do an accounting and/or accommodate a long layover where event owners might not be able to handle the box for an extended period < herlo> for many reasons < ke4qqq> but it's costly < herlo> maybe < jds2001> yes, but it's quite ineffecient < ke4qqq> which is my objection.... < herlo> I disagree that it's unnecessarily costly < ke4qqq> if I trust you enough to send it to you, I trust you enough to do inventory. < herlo> I'm guessing that it might get to us regionals anyway since we'll be in charge of events < herlo> besides, it isn't just about inventory < ke4qqq> true - or at least at an event < jds2001> we only have X dollars, we need to make it go as far as possible. < DemonJester> as I stated earlier the issue currently is only one box in production. < herlo> how about if I add a qualifier to that statement < inode0> I'd just like to see it not very precisely formulated. < herlo> something like "This option is a last resort and must be cleared with that regional ambassador" or some such < inode0> 1 - send the box asap to the next event owner < inode0> 2 - hold it if necessary for a time if possible < inode0> 3 - any other issues contact a regional ambassador for guidance < inode0> something like that < herlo> okay, 1 is too vague. The costs should be as low as possible < jds2001> asap doesn't mean first overnight or anything :) < herlo> I think that if we send it early we can always get a good price on shipping < herlo> jds2001: no, but I think it could be interpreted that way < inode0> it can be sent asap by a slow boat < herlo> and in some cases, we *should* do that < herlo> overnight, that is < herlo> but very rarely < ke4qqq> no I disagree < herlo> which is why I say With more than 5days < ke4qqq> thats why we have multiple (or will) < herlo> so what if you have an event in NYC (1000+) on saturday and an event in Atlanta on Tuesday-Friday the next week? < herlo> east coast both of them < herlo> and likely < ke4qqq> we hope that central will loan us one < ke4qqq> and doesn't have a conflict < herlo> maybe < ke4qqq> but whoever the con organizers are < herlo> depending on whether central is busy with theres < inode0> I don't think we should have a problem letting them all float where needed < ke4qqq> didn't plan well < herlo> sure, floating is good, but I see them under high demand and quickly < herlo> especially as we advertise them < ke4qqq> and if we get that we ask for more boxes < herlo> all could be in heavy use all the time < ke4qqq> we hope they are < DemonJester> wont the request form eliminate some of that? < herlo> request form? < herlo> I have *no* intention of doing that < herlo> too much beauracracy < DemonJester> are we just sending these to anyone? < herlo> I think an email is good enough < inode0> which is something to base a refinement to the policy on when the time comes, we don't need to worry about it now < herlo> I disagree inode0 < ke4qqq> DemonJester: same policies as getting money < ke4qqq> 6 months plus Amb membership - and owner of an event. < herlo> ke4qqq: make a request in advance, maybe on the events page? < DemonJester> ke4qqq: ok < ke4qqq> maybe that's another column < herlo> well, that will definitely simplify things... < ke4qqq> on the events page? < herlo> holy columns batman < herlo> :) +1 ke4qqq < herlo> inode0: I think the policy should be fit for the resources it has. Sounds like we might have a winner though... < herlo> I like the idea of making requests for the next quarter's events and making it part of their budget too < ke4qqq> me too < herlo> any other votes? * herlo wants to close the meeting if not... < ke4qqq> +1 < pcalarco> i have a quick unrelated ? < DemonJester> how is the box getting out of toronto? < DemonJester> I only ask because shipping electronics across the border it real touchy. < DemonJester> s/it/is < herlo> DemonJester: good question, I guess we'll address that this coming week with the OntarioLF guys < herlo> pcalarco: okay, thanks for the reminder < pcalarco> doing travel planning already for next year and someone mentioned that FUDCon next year would be in Chicago; is this for F11 or F12? < herlo> pcalarco: I actually heard that it might *not* be in Chicago < ke4qqq> pcalarco: complete speculation at this point < pcalarco> ok < ke4qqq> stickster would be more authoritative than us though < herlo> I think it could be up to us, but it would be for F12 < herlo> F11 will be in Boston area < ke4qqq> F11 is def. boston < pcalarco> great thanks; gotta make one of these sometime :) < herlo> pcalarco: yes, F11 Boston :) < herlo> any other business we need to address?? < DemonJester> None here < stickster> F11 will be Boston, F12 uncertain but probably *not* at the Summit in Chicago. * herlo votes to close the meeting < DemonJester> +1 < pcalarco> +1 < herlo> 10 < herlo> 9 < herlo> 8 < herlo> 7 < herlo> 6 < herlo> 5 < herlo> 4 < herlo> 3 < herlo> 2 < herlo> 1 < herlo> Meeting adjourned! < herlo> Thanks gang From dpiazza at hotmallo.com Wed Oct 22 14:45:29 2008 From: dpiazza at hotmallo.com (dpiazza) Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2008 07:45:29 -0700 Subject: [Ambassadors] FAmNA Meeting Minutes from 2008-10-21 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20081022144454.M47009@hotmallo.com> Thank you for the minutes! It's hard to attend the meetings when you are on the west coast. Look forward to working with you all! Derek On Wed, 22 Oct 2008 07:43:27 -0600, Clint Savage wrote > -!- herlo changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: FAmNA meeting > < herlo> rollcall > * quaid is here > < pcalarco> PascalCalarco > * DemonJester BrianPowell > -!- herlo changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: FAmNA Meeting - > Agenda located here: > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/Meetings/2008-10-21 > * herlo is Clint Savage > * jsmith is Jared Smith > < crossbytes> crossbytes is Kevin Higgins > * inode0 is inode0 > < herlo> orly? > < inode0> look me up in FAS :) > < quaid> .fas inode0 > < zodbot> quaid: inode0 'John T. Rose' > * quaid is going to answer rollcall from now on this way: > < quaid> .fas quaid > < zodbot> quaid: quaid 'Karsten Wade' > < herlo> good idea > * herlo adds that to the meeting policies :) > < herlo> alright, looks like the stragglers will join us soon > < lajjr> * > < herlo> let's get started > < herlo> Per the agenda, I'll be running this meeting and our first > item of business is to do what we've done over the past couple weeks > with different groups. > < herlo> we need to understand better the Join process from docs this week > < quaid> ok! > < herlo> so, how this process usually works > < quaid> jsmith was getting some food, stickster is putting people to > bed, so I'm the designated hot-seater > * jsmith is here to silently support quaid > < herlo> is we start by having you describe the process in pretty good > detail. Wiki links are helpful, but we'd like the full process in > front of us here > < quaid> yay1 > < herlo> so quaid, if you don't mind, and thank you for being here. > < herlo> could you go through hwat it takes to become a docs project member? > < quaid> .fashowtojoindocs > * quaid j/k > < herlo> lol > < DemonJester> lol > < herlo> +1 though > < jsmith> Good one quaid > < quaid> one day maybe > < quaid> ok, let's see ... > < quaid> first comes the burning desire, and it cannot be something gastric > < quaid> the basics are: > < quaid> Join the mailing list and send a self-introduction; this is > old practice, still worth it, and first in the process. > < quaid> s/Join/1. Join/ > < quaid> 2. Register for accounts - bugzilla, FAS, wiki > < herlo> any requests on the join email? Like, should they say why > they are good at documentation or what they've accomplished? > < quaid> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject/Join/CheckList > < quaid> yes, there is a page with details for the self-introl > < jsmith> and let me just add that it's important for existing members > to reply to that intro email and say "Welcome to the team! How can we > help you get started?" > < quaid> exactly > < quaid> I commonly ask people if they want direction at tasks or want > to look around themselves and find something to do. > < quaid> after that initial joining, there are documents people must > read and understand > < quaid> cf. Packaging Guidelines > < quaid> so, style guide, how to write on the wiki, same for DocBook > conversion, wachlist usage, etc. > < quaid> we need to update that page > < quaid> to reflect the moving of guides from CVS to individual > fedorahosted.org projecs > < quaid> so that is something new > < quaid> we have each guide/document have a stand-alone project on > fedorahosted.org > < quaid> so a community of contributors can grow around the docs, cf. > packages and code > < herlo> so let's see if we can nail this down quickly then what is > needed to join the DocsProject > < herlo> 1. FAS Account > < quaid> in that case, it is *not* a requirement to be in Docs 'docs' > to be a part of a guide > < herlo> 2. Join Mailing list and send a self intro > < quaid> e.g. a developer could get commit access to git/package-guide > without going through the DOcs join hools > < quaid> hoops > < Dp67> I was encouraged *not* to send a self intro.. That should > should be changed so that everyone is on the same page. > < herlo> 3. Register for bugzilla, wiki, etc > < quaid> herlo: I say, swap 1. and 2. > < herlo> Dp67: depends, we're discussing docs, not ambassadors > < Dp67> OK > < herlo> Dp67: certain groups do it differently > < herlo> quaid: okay > < herlo> quaid: you can join the ml without being part of FAS? > < quaid> herlo: yes, it's hosted on redhat.com > < jsmith> herlo: Absolutely! > < quaid> herlo: but that's a good point ... > < herlo> so is it read only? or just anyone can post? > < herlo> not that I worry, just wondering > < quaid> you have to be a subscriber to post > < quaid> but we review the moderation queue semi-regularly > < herlo> well, yeah > < quaid> oh > < quaid> we do not require membership or self-intro to post > < quaid> just to be "part of Docs" > < quaid> which really means 'docs' group in FAS > < herlo> okay, so that's good to know > < herlo> so 1 and 2 are swapped. > < quaid> in the older days, that was a big deal -- we were a group > that gave early access to CVS when it was scarce, pre-Extras days. > < quaid> what we get > < quaid> which others get too > < quaid> are people requesting 'docs' in FAS and never self-introing, > even with a prod. > < herlo> what do you mean requesting 'docs'? > < quaid> that is why I like the 'self-intro first', even though people > can do whatever order in reality. > < quaid> that's the FAS 'docs' group > < herlo> meaning they request to be a member of docs, but then never > go through the process?? > < quaid> yes > < quaid> but the process is not linked from within FAS > * herlo points out this common thread among all groups we've talked with so > far < quaid> "F < quaid> :D < herlo> a stopping point < quaid> why I pointed > it out < herlo> and how do we get them past it, that's hopefully what we can chagne > < quaid> because I've heard about it, too, and I've filed UI RFEs > around it, but don't have a clear answer. > < quaid> you know > < quaid> I don't think a self-intro is a bad stopping point. > < herlo> okay, so here's where it gets fuzzy for me, once you become a > member of docs, and have clearance to work on some, where do you go? > < quaid> if people do not want to introduce themselves, say what they > want to do, etc., what do we think they are going to do? > < herlo> no argument > < quaid> ok, so .... > < herlo> it's a hard thing > < herlo> to fix > < quaid> i. wiki is open to all, but Docs are the gardeners, so we put > people to work there > < quaid> ii. each guide happens in a separate fedorahosted.org > project, so people request e.g. gitinstall-guide and start on that > < herlo> is that a FAS group now? > < quaid> iii. beat writers go to work in Docs/Beats/ (soon to be > renamed after F10 releases) > < herlo> what are beat writers exactly? > < quaid> herlo: gitinstall-guide, gitreadme, etc. > < quaid> ok, so > < quaid> the idea is bigger than release notes, but that is what it is > mainly used for. > * herlo asks questions, expecting answers at some point, no rush > < quaid> they are like embedded writers, who work within a SIG, > sub-project, or alongside a package/technology of interest. > < quaid> "I administrate 20 Samba servers, so I go hang out on > f-devel-l and a samba list to learn the latest; read the feature > pages; and write the changes in to Docs/Beats/Samba" > < herlo> so technically, they should be writing this stuff up on a > regular basis? > < quaid> the focus is on a release, because we turn those in to the > release notes > < herlo> oh, okay > < quaid> but this does happen, in that Fedora Weekly News now has beats > < herlo> cool > < quaid> and there _could_ be a combination around that > < quaid> but that ain't there yet > < quaid> a better example, for me: > < quaid> when I was writing the Red Hat SELinux Guide, I was working > on fedora-selinux-list daily, maintained the SELinux FAQ, and wrote > the SELinux beat for the release notes > < quaid> so I turned my for-free community work in to understanding > and content to support my for-pay work @redhat.com. > < herlo> nice > < quaid> and that experience is what spawned the beats concept, back > in the FC3 days. > < herlo> how many beats are there? > < herlo> and I suppose you expect them to grow? > < quaid> looks like around 50 > < herlo> okay, that's a lot > < quaid> they change per release, growing and contracting. > < quaid> and not all are written to each release, some stay empty and > are trimmed for GA. > < herlo> do we have 50 beat writers? and is that your goal? to have > one beat writer per beat? > < herlo> or are you looking for a couple three beats per writer? > < quaid> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs/Beats#Beat_Assignments > < quaid> "it depends" > < quaid> for a long time, mether wrote 50%+ of the content across > many, many beats > < quaid> but that is not sustainable :) > < herlo> yeah, that seems a bit much for one person to take on > < quaid> I'd say ... there might be one per beat, depending on how > people are in sub-projects > < quaid> but the key is, each SIG and sub-proj needs "Beat writer" as a role > < herlo> plus stickster probably did some too, but being the FPL can't > make time as free, my guess > < quaid> to maintain the FWN connection as well as relnotes > < herlo> does that mean each SIG should recruit them or docs should? > < quaid> each SIG should > < quaid> but Docs also does it, > < quaid> pointing people at where there are holes, and where they > might have interest. > < herlo> so do the SIGs know do to this? > < quaid> probably not > < quaid> despite publicity over the years > < herlo> okay, well we can help with that I think > < quaid> okay, be aware - I am going to swear here > * jsmith covers herlo's ears > * inode0 puts hands over ears > < herlo> uh oh, quaid get mad! > < quaid> it is really fucking easy to contribute to our release notes, > and contributions are pretty piss poor considering how many people > spend their days on fedora-devel-list. > < quaid> it's worse than 100:1\ > < quaid> or nearly > < quaid> improvement has been linear and nearly flat over the years > < quaid> so that's a specific goal I have to make, to figure out how > to fix that :) > < herlo> so can you explain the process of how a SIG should contribute > one person? I am guessing a lot of them think that docs is 'not their > job' > < herlo> or contribute in general > < kam> ? > < herlo> kam: go > < kam> So... > * ke4qqq is late and apologizes > < quaid> just use the Docs/Beats/ page as a note taking space, more > relaxed than e.g. the Feature pages. > < kam> considering I have an interest in Liove > < kam> Live > < kam> I go to https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs/Beats/Live > < kam> login with my FAS account > < kam> then edit away? > < herlo> quaid: ? > < herlo> wanna take that one? > < jsmith> kam: Exactly :-) > * quaid back > < quaid> basically, yes > < quaid> ideally you also watch that page, so when we update your > changes, you learn or know, or can respond. > < kam> Using the beats list from this meeting, Live is "open" so if al > I have to do is edit https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs/Beats/Live > then I am up for it > < quaid> kam: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs/Beats/HowTo > < jsmith> We have people on the docs team that will help with the > other parts (conversion to DocBook, getting it into revision control, > etc.) Just write! > < herlo> quaid: look at that, right in our meeting :) a new > contributor to docs... > < kam> ok, I can hadle the wiriting, thanks! > < kam> yup, sign me up for Live, I will do some edits this week > < jsmith> kam: Welcome to the team :-) > < lajjr> me too.. > < quaid> kam: go ahead and add your name to Beat_Assignments in the table > < kam> Gee, thanks > < herlo> jsmith: that's a good thing to point out though. It's not > all writing too, some people could be programmatically inclined and > could help work on docs software > < kam> Will do now. Thanks again > < gregdek> .fas gdk > < quaid> kam: these changes are going to appear in the GA; we've > already pulled content for the Preview Release > < herlo> gregdek: welcome > < gregdek> Aw. > < gregdek> :) > < gregdek> .fas gdk > < zodbot> gregdek: gdk 'Greg DeKoenigsberg' > < lajjr> doc software great. > < gregdek> Yeah! :) > < quaid> herlo: in fact, we now maintian 'content' and 'admin' > distinctions in tasks, where 'admin' can be very programmtic > < herlo> okay, so back on topic a little bit here, I think we're > getting close to wrapping up > < quaid> we do need code help :) > < lajjr> love it. coding is my life and art too LOL > < kam> Ok. It is a good point though. While I can write I am not > skilled in docbook so maybe that comes later as skills develop > < quaid> kam: exactly, evolution of the individual > < herlo> so if there were three things you'd like to see come out of a > mentoring project from Ambassadors, what would those things be? > < jsmith> Yes, there's some programmatic admin work, but some of us > use that as an excuse not to write more docs ;-) > < quaid> herlo: can you be more specific? just so jsmith is clear, too > < herlo> sure > < herlo> In general, we would like to help you get people into docs > and bring them along so that it's easier for them and for you as Docs > folks > < herlo> our goal is to be the nudge in their back, the kick in their side, etc > < herlo> what I want to know, is what areas should we be considering > pointing people > < herlo> wiki for sure, software development and beats seem > reasonable, but I'm not always contributing to docs like I probably > should > < herlo> so maybe there's a bigger need somewhere > < quaid> i. wiki is pretty important and needs tons of work; we have a > lot of help for wiki gardeners now > < quaid> -- so they need help finding that help > < quaid> -- and encouragement to be bold > < quaid> ii. technical documentation is _way_ thin, beef up there > < quaid> -- we rely upon upstream docs too much > < quaid> -- for starters, we need to get the Fedora Packaging Guide > into XML, versioned, and translated > < quaid> --- that is a big ball of wax, btw :) > < quaid> -- we always have interest in helping end-users, so that's > why the focus for tech docs > < quaid> iii ??? > * quaid leaves that open for the moment for stickster or jsmith input > < herlo> what about admins?? > < quaid> well, yes > < herlo> programmers, et al > < quaid> admins are a form of end-user and admin tasks abound > < quaid> seen this: > < quaid> http://www.redhat.com/docs/en- US/Red_Hat_Enterprise_Linux/5.2/html/Deployment_Guide/index.html > < quaid> that beast is supposed to arrive as an upstream doc we can contribute > t < quaid> so the entirety of a useful admin doc is there, we just need to > funnel writers to it. < herlo> okay, cool < herlo> what I was referring to was > more about maintaining the software (aka docbook, etc) < herlo> but that might > be good too < quaid> ah, thanks < quaid> yeah, we do need some people who can > help us care for and grow out toolchaiin < quaid> publican does docbook, but > that is only a piece < herlo> what's the name of the new software that is used > now? < herlo> publican, yeah that's it < quaid> we have CMS needs, wiki > customizations, etc. < herlo> I'm guessing websites helps you some with this, > but seems to me like a bit of a crossover < quaid> yeah, ianweller, ricky, > and G are super helpful with the wiki, CMS < herlo> cool < quaid> but we are > bleeding them from other important stuff * jsmith is happy to tutor people in > the basics of Publican < herlo> okay, so only one other question from me... < > quaid> so we could use ... 2+ people who work crossover with Websites on Docs stuff > < herlo> well, I might be able to help there, we'll talk later > < herlo> anyway, one more question for you quaid, then I think we'll > wrap this up for others > < herlo> to ask > < quaid> ok > < herlo> quaid: explain wiki gardening. I understand it, but I want > to get the concept here so we can share > < quaid> ok > < herlo> and get people interested in it > < quaid> the wiki is so big and getting bigger > < quaid> that the only way to reign over it is to imagine it like a > gigantic park > < quaid> and we are the stewards > < quaid> so wherever we go, we keep a pair pruning shears, a small > garden trowel, and are ready to: > < quaid> * prune pages > < quaid> ** converting long ones into smaller > < quaid> * organizing > < quaid> ** adding pages to Category:Foo > < quaid> * composting > < quaid> ** moving old pages to Archive:Old/Wiki/PageNameMostLikely > < quaid> ** moving meetings to Meeting: > < quaid> * watching certain pages > < quaid> ** needs love > < quaid> etc. > < quaid> we provide a general map of how things should go; > Help:Wiki_structure, Help:Editing > < herlo> okay, so that's good to know. I for one think that Wiki > Gardening could be happening in more areas pretty easily... > < quaid> I'm working on a 'how to rename your 100 wiki pages' guide > since we need to do that for DocsProject.* > < herlo> maybe we as ambassadors can take on some of that to help ease > the burden... > < quaid> sure, it's a project-wide thing, not Docs specific > < herlo> right, my point > < quaid> we are ultimately accountable for getting it done, but that > doesn't mean we have to do all the work > < quaid> in fact, the best wiki gardeners aren't in docs > < quaid> s/the best/some of the best/ > < herlo> okay, so let's open the floor for questions really quick > < quaid> go! > < ke4qqq> ? > < herlo> ke4qqq: go ahead > < ke4qqq> so if I am an aspiring docs writer.... > < ke4qqq> or an ambassador trying to mentor > < ke4qqq> how do I know whats out there to work on. > < jsmith> ke4qqq: There's always http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs/Drafts > < quaid> which should be > < jsmith> ke4qqq: But don't hesitate to ask on the mailing list or in > IRC, and we'll guide you along :-) > < quaid> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Category:Draft_Documentation > < DemonJester> ? > < herlo> go DemonJester > < ke4qqq> hmmm I was looking for the list of tasks actually > < quaid> ke4qqq: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs_Project_tasks > < DemonJester> any specific skillsets you look for or would like in a > potential Docs contributor? > < quaid> DemonJester: ability/willingness to learn; some staying power > and be responsible > < quaid> writing and editing are, strangely enough, not requirements > < quaid> nor is English, per se > < quaid> if a team wants to write in another language, as long as they > follow all the processes, it's good enough > < quaid> I'll read it when it gets translated to en-US :) > < herlo> neat > < DemonJester> hehe > * herlo didn't know that > < herlo> time for one more question > < herlo> okay, that's it for me on the Docs mentoring, thanks quaid, > jsmith for your enlightenment > < quaid> word++ > < DemonJester> yes thank you quaid and jsmith! > < quaid> Say hello to your mother for me > < pcalarco> very intersting, thanks! > < kam> +1 > < herlo> alright, quickly, let's move through the tasks, for those of > you who haven't looked at it in a while, I have updated the list... > < herlo> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/NA/Tasks > < herlo> it's quite trimmed down... > * quaid moves to the house > < herlo> first up is the eventual addition of 3 more EventBoxen, I > just wanted to mention it was there, and would like to see these > completed by 2009 sometime. > < herlo> any thoughts, opinions on this? > < inode0> I agree, especially with contributions coming in for them it > is important we get them as soon as we can > < pcalarco> its mostly funds that are needed to complete this at this point? > < ke4qqq> sounds good - we are already hitting conflicts and thus need > at least another one > < herlo> pretty much, and a decent process for managing them > < herlo> pcalarco: ^^ > * inode0 volunteered his share of discretionary funds for that purpose ke4qqq > < herlo> I think getting a budget for them isn't hard. We already > have $125/region extra available... > < herlo> maybe we could use that to get the boxen themselves, which is > essentially the most expensive part > < ke4qqq> _1 > < pcalarco> seems very doable by 2009 > < ke4qqq> +1 > < herlo> agreed > < ke4qqq> I think that I'll ask max if I can use some of my unused > event funds for this. > < herlo> +1 > < herlo> I'm going to move on, okay? > < ke4qqq> k > < herlo> the next item I'd like to discuss is the EventTracking status. > < herlo> it came to my attention that this is going to be very > challenging to keep track of on a separate page from the FedoraEvents > page > < herlo> so my thought was, why not add a *reports* column to the Event list > < pcalarco> +1 > < herlo> and link to the event reports, and have this be part of the > process for an event owner, should be pretty easy to manage. Plus we > can add events after the fact here too > < herlo> any other thoughts on this one? > < ke4qqq> I am worried that we are going to compress thing - and we > are forcing changes on groups other than NA > < ke4qqq> but I like the idea. > < herlo> well, the tables are separated by region, so we only have to > do it for our region > < DemonJester> ke4qqq: agreed > < ke4qqq> good point > < DemonJester> +1 > < crossbytes> +1 > < ke4qqq> so you are going to announce that we are making the change > and then do it? > < herlo> sweet, I'll get that in motion then. It should be pretty easy > < herlo> ke4qqq: I could, or we could do it and then announce it > < herlo> order doesn't seem important to me personally > < ke4qqq> me either > < ke4qqq> but if we are going to do it we might as well let people know > < herlo> k, I'll get it on the wiki, and then ask you all to blog > about it again... > < ke4qqq> k > * herlo assigns himself a modified task > < herlo> okay, there are two here we can't/won't discuss AmbKit > (coming to a FUDCon near you) and media production > < ke4qqq> ? > < herlo> but I would like to make a note that we *really* need to bug > iWolf on getting approval for our pricing > < herlo> ke4qqq: go > < ke4qqq> I was going to say something about bugging iwolf as well > < herlo> :) lol > < herlo> ke4qqq: I assign you that task and me too and inode0 > < herlo> :-D > < ke4qqq> k > * inode0 can be proficient bugging people > < herlo> we good here? > * herlo moves forward to the last item, EventBox transfer policy > < jds2001> we should get him to setup fedora talk and take turns bugging him. > < pcalarco> quick random question > < herlo> jds2001: good idea +1 > < pcalarco> for after we are done agenda > < ke4qqq> jds2001: he has a hardphone for Ftalk > < herlo> pcalarco: only one more item... > < pcalarco> yep > * jds2001 finally off the phone with $DAYJOB :) > < ke4qqq> .ext iwolf > < zodbot> ke4qqq: Error getting info for user: "iwolf" > < jds2001> .fas tadlock > < zodbot> jds2001: jeffreyt 'Jeffrey Tadlock' > < herlo> we had a lively discussion this morning/afternoon about the > transfer policy. Unfortunately for me, I was not on my real irc > client so I'll have to go bakc and read up > < jds2001> .ext jeffreyt > < zodbot> jds2001: 5100386 > < herlo> however, the eventbox policy has been started. I heard a lot > of good ideas about the policy. > < herlo> I want to get those down on the wiki page > < herlo> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/NA/Drafts/EventBoxShipping > < herlo> if any of you have time in the next week, let's get this > policy updated and in place at least enough to make it useable and > friendly > < jds2001> looks usable to me as is, what's wrong with it? > < herlo> do we want to have the discussion about the eventbox shipping > policy here now? or should we just work on it over the next couple > weeks and report back mid-november > * jds2001 suggests removing option 2 from what to do after event. > < herlo> jds2001: I think it is, there were discussions of adding > and/or removing items > < herlo> like that > < herlo> jds2001: the reason that is there, is so we regional > ambassadors can do an accounting and/or accommodate a long layover > where event owners might not be able to handle the box for an extended > period > < herlo> for many reasons > < ke4qqq> but it's costly > < herlo> maybe > < jds2001> yes, but it's quite ineffecient > < ke4qqq> which is my objection.... > < herlo> I disagree that it's unnecessarily costly > < ke4qqq> if I trust you enough to send it to you, I trust you enough > to do inventory. > < herlo> I'm guessing that it might get to us regionals anyway since > we'll be in charge of events > < herlo> besides, it isn't just about inventory > < ke4qqq> true - or at least at an event > < jds2001> we only have X dollars, we need to make it go as far as possible. > < DemonJester> as I stated earlier the issue currently is only one box > in production. > < herlo> how about if I add a qualifier to that statement > < inode0> I'd just like to see it not very precisely formulated. > < herlo> something like "This option is a last resort and must be > cleared with that regional ambassador" or some such > < inode0> 1 - send the box asap to the next event owner > < inode0> 2 - hold it if necessary for a time if possible > < inode0> 3 - any other issues contact a regional ambassador for guidance > < inode0> something like that > < herlo> okay, 1 is too vague. The costs should be as low as possible > < jds2001> asap doesn't mean first overnight or anything :) > < herlo> I think that if we send it early we can always get a good > price on shipping > < herlo> jds2001: no, but I think it could be interpreted that way > < inode0> it can be sent asap by a slow boat > < herlo> and in some cases, we *should* do that > < herlo> overnight, that is > < herlo> but very rarely > < ke4qqq> no I disagree > < herlo> which is why I say With more than 5days > < ke4qqq> thats why we have multiple (or will) > < herlo> so what if you have an event in NYC (1000+) on saturday and > an event in Atlanta on Tuesday-Friday the next week? > < herlo> east coast both of them > < herlo> and likely > < ke4qqq> we hope that central will loan us one > < ke4qqq> and doesn't have a conflict > < herlo> maybe > < ke4qqq> but whoever the con organizers are > < herlo> depending on whether central is busy with theres > < inode0> I don't think we should have a problem letting them all > float where needed > < ke4qqq> didn't plan well > < herlo> sure, floating is good, but I see them under high demand and quickly > < herlo> especially as we advertise them > < ke4qqq> and if we get that we ask for more boxes > < herlo> all could be in heavy use all the time > < ke4qqq> we hope they are > < DemonJester> wont the request form eliminate some of that? > < herlo> request form? > < herlo> I have *no* intention of doing that > < herlo> too much beauracracy > < DemonJester> are we just sending these to anyone? > < herlo> I think an email is good enough > < inode0> which is something to base a refinement to the policy on > when the time comes, we don't need to worry about it now > < herlo> I disagree inode0 > < ke4qqq> DemonJester: same policies as getting money > < ke4qqq> 6 months plus Amb membership - and owner of an event. > < herlo> ke4qqq: make a request in advance, maybe on the events page? > < DemonJester> ke4qqq: ok > < ke4qqq> maybe that's another column > < herlo> well, that will definitely simplify things... > < ke4qqq> on the events page? > < herlo> holy columns batman > < herlo> :) +1 ke4qqq > < herlo> inode0: I think the policy should be fit for the resources it > has. Sounds like we might have a winner though... > < herlo> I like the idea of making requests for the next quarter's > events and making it part of their budget too > < ke4qqq> me too > < herlo> any other votes? > * herlo wants to close the meeting if not... > < ke4qqq> +1 > < pcalarco> i have a quick unrelated ? > < DemonJester> how is the box getting out of toronto? > < DemonJester> I only ask because shipping electronics across the > border it real touchy. > < DemonJester> s/it/is > < herlo> DemonJester: good question, I guess we'll address that this > coming week with the OntarioLF guys > < herlo> pcalarco: okay, thanks for the reminder > < pcalarco> doing travel planning already for next year and someone > mentioned that FUDCon next year would be in Chicago; is this for F11 > or F12? > < herlo> pcalarco: I actually heard that it might *not* be in Chicago > < ke4qqq> pcalarco: complete speculation at this point > < pcalarco> ok > < ke4qqq> stickster would be more authoritative than us though > < herlo> I think it could be up to us, but it would be for F12 > < herlo> F11 will be in Boston area > < ke4qqq> F11 is def. boston > < pcalarco> great thanks; gotta make one of these sometime :) > < herlo> pcalarco: yes, F11 Boston :) > < herlo> any other business we need to address?? > < DemonJester> None here > < stickster> F11 will be Boston, F12 uncertain but probably *not* at > the Summit in Chicago. > * herlo votes to close the meeting > < DemonJester> +1 > < pcalarco> +1 > < herlo> 10 > < herlo> 9 > < herlo> 8 > < herlo> 7 > < herlo> 6 > < herlo> 5 > < herlo> 4 > < herlo> 3 > < herlo> 2 > < herlo> 1 > < herlo> Meeting adjourned! > < herlo> Thanks gang > > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list ----- ----- Hotmallo.com Office: 503-345-4199 Dirrect: 503-360-1717 Cell: 971-533-0073 From herlo1 at gmail.com Wed Oct 22 17:12:07 2008 From: herlo1 at gmail.com (Clint Savage) Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2008 11:12:07 -0600 Subject: [Ambassadors] FAmNA Meeting Summary from 2008-10-21 Message-ID: This summary is from the meeting minutes at https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-ambassadors-list/2008-October/msg00174.html == DOCS == The first 45 minutes or so was dedicated to the Join process for the DocsProject. Karsten 'quaid' Wade and Jared Smith joined us to understand how we could better mentor new contributors wishing to participate in the Docs Project. We gained the following knowledge from this discussion: (from https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject/Join/CheckList) * Joining Docs is simple and only requires ** A burning desire to explain stuff better ** Joining the fedora-docs-list mailing list and sending a self-introduction ** Creating a FAS Account and requesting bugzilla, wiki and other docs related groups ** Knowing where to go next to start documenting This final step seemed to be the point where many people would not continue. It continues the theme from Art and BugZappers from weeks before. The discussion included several links from the DocsProject section of the wiki showing what work was available and how to get involved: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs/Beats <-- work a beat, especially if you have knowledge in this area or want to improve your skill in the area. https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs/Beats/HowTo <-- If you don't know how to work a beat, read this One point that came out was that many of the Beats could and/or should be written by those already involved in the SIG. It makes sense that this should happen, but many of the SIGs don't know or don't want to participate, despite the efforts from Docs. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject/WritingUsingTheWiki <-- Docs are written on the Wiki and there is no need to understand how to use DocBook or Publican. We discussed wiki gardening as something Ambassadors might be able to help with. As it really fits within everyone's best interest. Even if it's ultimately part of Docs responsibility. >From IRC Karsten explained Wiki Gardening like this: < quaid> the wiki is so big and getting bigger < quaid> that the only way to reign over it is to imagine it like a gigantic park < quaid> and we are the stewards < quaid> so wherever we go, we keep a pair pruning shears, a small garden trowel, and are ready to: < quaid> * prune pages < quaid> ** converting long ones into smaller < quaid> * organizing < quaid> ** adding pages to Category:Foo < quaid> * composting < quaid> ** moving old pages to Archive:Old/Wiki/PageNameMostLikely < quaid> ** moving meetings to Meeting: < quaid> * watching certain pages < quaid> ** needs love < quaid> etc. < quaid> we provide a general map of how things should go; This will be used to evaluate the new Join process being developed by Fedora Ambassadors as well as the new Mentoring project taken on by FAmNA overall. Special thanks to quaid and jsmith for their input. == TASKS == The next topic was the tasks left over from the previous weeks. They can be found: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/NA/Tasks 1 A discussion of starting 3 more EventBoxen was seen as a positive. ** David, John and Rashadul should start to look into using discretionary funds to purchase the actual box. 2 The Event Tracking page on the wiki is weak and doesn't get updated well. ** The suggestion was to move the reports of events to the NA section of the FedoraEvents page on the wiki with a new column in the table. ** Adding events after the fact would not be an issue and links to the reports could easily be found here ** Blogging about this concept will be happening over the next few weeks after we create this new column 3 Media Production came up again ** Pricing has been in place for some time, but we've not heard approval from FAmSCo ** Efforts will be made to get that into the next FAmSCo meeting. Jeffrey Tadlock will be informed that we'd like this done soon. 4 EventBox Shipping Policy ** Draft Policy is started, needs more updates and input. <-- https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/NA/Drafts/EventBoxShipping ** This discussion clearly isn't settled as many feel strongly about what should happen between events and who should pay the costs ** As it stands there is only one EventBox which affects its availability to events (see #1 above) so shipping can get costly, planning is important ** One idea was to add another column to the FedoraEvents page (NA section) to request an EventBox. Approval will happen like the budget happens, about one month before the quarter, the schedule for the EventBoxen should be in place. All of this detail and attendees is available on the meeting page: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/Meetings/2008-10-21 From fab at fedoraproject.org Wed Oct 22 20:14:22 2008 From: fab at fedoraproject.org (Fabian Affolter) Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2008 22:14:22 +0200 Subject: [Ambassadors] FAmSCo Meeting - IRC Log 2008-10-22 Message-ID: <48FF899E.70507@fedoraproject.org> HTML version of the log is here: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/SteeringCommittee/Meetings/2008-10-22 Raw log is here: Ok, here we are. Call roll please: FrancescoUgolini Max Spevack FabianAffolter ThomasCanniot Great! Actually I can't access the list archive page (i have to search my pswd), BTW, this is our agenda: 1. Budget 2. Release Events status 3. Membership status 4. t.b.d. Budget! spevack: I've done quite a bit of budget work over the past few days FUDCon is about 90% paid for As far as ambassadors in different parts of the world go: North America is almost up to date -- the Ohio Linux Fest receipts are still coming In India, things are in order, more or less. APAC folks are getting their money. In EMEA, I actually need info from fabian_a and MrTom -- I need your receipts from events, especially yours MrTom, I want to make sure Fedora-fr gets the money that it needs. ! fabian_a: i know you have some costs from OpenExpo, which I can give you the money for. MrTom: yeah, go ahead MrTom we are actively working on F10 install Fest, and I think we will go a bit further from the $500 first discussed budget. but as we did not used the $1000 for the others past event, I hope this is doable. I wanted to ask fasmco about this. eof MrTom: in the original budget, I set aside 1000 EUR for for whatever Fedora-fr needs. ! So if you give me the bank information for where that money needs to go, I will get it to you go ahead it was even $1500 with 3 events linked to them. 1000 EUR is about $1500 USD at least, it was when we made the budget :) so yeah, $1500, whatever that is in EUR However, we must take into account that some day, the Tunisian boy will wake up and ask for financing. I still can't have them communicate in official channels about their projects unfortunately. well, when he wakes up, we'll deal with it then :) for the moment, you are the one who is here, and I don't want Fedora-fr to feel forgotten sorry I did not see you were talking in EUR and not USD :) I'm quite happy the EUR is devaluating a bit at the moment :) me too :) according to google, $1500 USD = 1170 EUR I don't feel forgotten and I know we can count on your precious suport MrTom: can you send me the bank account information? So I can pay Fedora-fr? we are going to finance french live cd for our next 6 months F10 related events for example yep i'll do it spevack MrTom: perfect. Live CD is a good use of money also i agree. fabian_a: i also don't want your costs from OpenExpo to be forgotten :) we will also strongly communicate and aske attendees about having branded fedora usb key with a fedora preload on it spevack: i will send you the summary soon ok, that's all for budget. I have not started looking at the December - February budget yet, but I will send a reminder to Ambassadors list to get their events on the page. fabian_a: no problem. ok, that's all I have for budget, fugolini spevack: thank you for what you have reported it's impressive to see what you have just done and what you are doing I hope to give more details on the activities I take care of (see Release Events) To all the meeting attendees: have you questions regard this topic? fugolini: sounds good. Unlike this time last quarter, when I was very worried about budget, I think we are in very nice shape this quarter. It is a good feeling! EOF spevack: yes, i agree with you Ok, move on! 2. Release Events status I have few announcements regarding this topic: 1. I have received the ok to use the logo for the Release Event map it's a really stupid thing but it's part of the marketing 2. I send an email to the list asking Release Events owner and attendees to tell us about the problem they are facing in the organization etc. 3. I'll send an email next thusday asking to have a confimation of the events, just to better know the place and the date to start writing about event in FWN, Fedora Magazine, maybe in Fedora Announce (i need someone who is responsible for this) and absolutely to start promoting this event. We have cool flyers with solar theme and ... I think that's all for now Any question? sounds good to me thank you for all your hard work on the release events +1 ok for me vwbusguy-: high school junior spevack: the hard work was done by all the contibutors who are making it happens ianweller, ah, k ianweller: you'd better apply next year ok, next topic: 3. Membership status As you can see we are experiencing the benefit of Ambassadors Policy updates During the last weeks Joerg with the help of fabian_a keep the sponsoring process up to date and that make me really happy. We need people who are able to handle this job, and personally I have to say Thanks! to all the active Membership Administrators the work that joerg has been doing is excellent spevack: +1 and thanks to fabian_a for helping out So, if nobody as something to say, we could be able to adjourn the meeting to next week Once again I'm sorry not to be able to attend the last meeting, but I simply didn't hear the alarm clock it's no probem francesco Ok, so we can adjourn the meeting -- Fingerprint: 2F6C 930F D3C4 7E38 6AFA 4EB4 E23C D2DD 36A4 397F Fedora always leads and never follows. From jsimon at fedoraproject.org Thu Oct 23 13:25:44 2008 From: jsimon at fedoraproject.org (JoergSimon) Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2008 15:25:44 +0200 Subject: [Ambassadors] Fedora Ambassadors Welcome Message-ID: <200810231525.49953.jsimon@fedoraproject.org> Dear Ambassadors, let me welcome our new sponsored Ambassador Group Members: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Vitola https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Coolsagy https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Cobaleda https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Subaruboi https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Randika https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Slasherzee As Fabian posted a view weeks before, some Personal Wikipages are in a poor shape - i want ask all new sponsored Ambassadors, who have not a meaningful Wikipage, for more effort in creating and maintaining one of your tools - please remember that personal wikipages - particular of Ambassadors - reflects your own reputation and commitment. Regards Joerg p.s. Please do not send private "Welcome" Messages to Ambassador List! -- Joerg (kital) Simon jsimon at fedoraproject.org http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/JoergSimon http://kitall.blogspot.com Key Fingerprint: 3691 0989 2DCA 58A2 8D1F 2CAC C823 558E 5B5B 5688 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part. URL: From fugolini at fedoraproject.org Thu Oct 23 14:07:43 2008 From: fugolini at fedoraproject.org (Francesco Ugolini) Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2008 16:07:43 +0200 Subject: [Ambassadors] FAmSCo Meeting - IRC Log 2008-10-22 In-Reply-To: <48FF899E.70507@fedoraproject.org> References: <48FF899E.70507@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: 2008/10/22 Fabian Affolter : > HTML version of the log is here: > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/SteeringCommittee/Meetings/2008-10-22 > Thank you very much for the log. Best regards Francesco Ugolini From fugolini at fedoraproject.org Thu Oct 23 17:46:26 2008 From: fugolini at fedoraproject.org (Francesco Ugolini) Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2008 19:46:26 +0200 Subject: [Ambassadors] F10 Release Parties - 2nd part Message-ID: Current situation: - Actually we have 18 release events listed in http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FedoraEvents/ReleaseParty/F10 (if you have put your event only in FedoraEvents page, please list in F10 Release Parties page too). - We have assigned the required budget for Q3 Release Events (for Q4 assignment wait until December). - We received logo usage permission for the Release Map (see https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-ambassadors-list/2008-October/msg00165.html) - According to http://poelstra.fedorapeople.org/schedules/f-10/f-10-art-tasks.html F10 Release Parties posters work is set from Tue 2008-11-18 to Tue 2008-11-25. Just my Big thanks with the whole Art Team! ---------------------------- To-do: - confirm events schedule - Ask owners/attendees/community is everything is ok (if no, try to help them) - Search for writers that want to try to promote F10 Release Events through the FWN, Fedora Announce ---------------------------- Just my last thought. Remember, the first thing you have to keep in mind is: Enjoy, Enjoy, Enjoy. That's the most important, if not necessary, priority task you have to keep in mind. If you think there is something that it isn't working, please let us know and, stay sure, we will help you. Best regards Francesco Ugolini From matt at domsch.com Sat Oct 25 00:17:28 2008 From: matt at domsch.com (Matt Domsch) Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2008 19:17:28 -0500 Subject: [Ambassadors] Fedora conference co-located with Linux Symposium? Message-ID: <20081025001728.GB13706@domsch.com> Andrew Hutton caught me online earlier today and asked if Fedora would be interested in hosting a conference of any size, to run concurrent with the Linux Symposium (previously held in Ottawa) in Montreal 13-17 July 2009). Plenty of space is available for a 2-day concurrent conference, and he's working on chartered busses from several (nearby) cities such as Boston, Ottawa, and Toronto to ease getting to Montreal. This wouldn't be a Fedora 12 planning FUDCon as we've traditionally had such, given that mid-July is pretty late for such assuming we get back to our May 1 / October 31 release schedule. But it could be an opportunity for Fedora-specific side-tracks to LS, or a hackfest, or any number of ways to use the time and space. If we had 2 days and space for 100+ people in Montreal that week,, how could we use it? I'd like an interested Ambassador to step up and volunteer to run such an event. Volunteers? Thanks, Matt From inode0 at gmail.com Sat Oct 25 01:16:44 2008 From: inode0 at gmail.com (inode0) Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2008 20:16:44 -0500 Subject: [Ambassadors] Fedora conference co-located with Linux Symposium? In-Reply-To: <20081025001728.GB13706@domsch.com> References: <20081025001728.GB13706@domsch.com> Message-ID: On Fri, Oct 24, 2008 at 7:17 PM, Matt Domsch wrote: > Andrew Hutton caught me online earlier today and asked if Fedora would > be interested in hosting a conference of any size, to run concurrent > with the Linux Symposium (previously held in Ottawa) in Montreal 13-17 > July 2009). Plenty of space is available for a 2-day concurrent > conference, and he's working on chartered busses from several (nearby) > cities such as Boston, Ottawa, and Toronto to ease getting to > Montreal. > > This wouldn't be a Fedora 12 planning FUDCon as we've traditionally > had such, given that mid-July is pretty late for such assuming we get > back to our May 1 / October 31 release schedule. But it could be an > opportunity for Fedora-specific side-tracks to LS, or a hackfest, or > any number of ways to use the time and space. If we had 2 days and > space for 100+ people in Montreal that week,, how could we use it? > > I'd like an interested Ambassador to step up and volunteer to run such > an event. Volunteers? Wow, this is a great opportunity. We have some ambassadors on the ground in Montreal so let's try to make this happen if we can. John From aaadewunmi at yahoo.com Sun Oct 26 09:35:57 2008 From: aaadewunmi at yahoo.com (Adewunmi Adebolatan) Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2008 02:35:57 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Ambassadors] Fedora conference co-located with Linux Symposium? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <527108.65816.qm@web56807.mail.re3.yahoo.com> I am still relatively new as a Fedora Ambassador. I am from Nigeria and will like to attend meetings outside my country. This will make me more versatile with the fedora softwares. is there anything like sponsorships to attend meetings? From thomas.canniot at mrtomlinux.org Sun Oct 26 10:27:22 2008 From: thomas.canniot at mrtomlinux.org (Thomas Canniot) Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2008 11:27:22 +0100 Subject: [Ambassadors] REMINDER French Meeting today 1930UTC #fedora-meeting Message-ID: <20081026112722.71bece98@agnetha.mrtomlinux> This mail is a reminder for today?s meeting for French ambassadors and _every_ interested people. 2008-10-26 / 19:30 UTC IRC: freenode #fedora-meeting Ce mail est un rappel pour la r?union des ambassadeurs francophones, qui aura lieu ce dimanche (26 oct.) ? 20h30 heure de Paris sur IRC (freenode) #fedora-meeting . L'ordre du jour est disponible depuis cette page : http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/FrenchTeam/Reunions N'h?sitez pas ? le modifier pour rajouter des sujets qui vous semblent int?ressants. Thomas Canniot -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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We both didn't notice how time flew by and talked for nearly half an hour. This certainly is to long and needs some cutting. The interview is scheduled for broadcast on November 22nd, just a few days before the release of F10. Until then you can listen to the interview I did last year [3]. Steward said that I have a good voice for radio, and asked me if I wanted to officially join the Antenne Tux team. Of course I do! I hope I will be able to promote Fedora better and more professional there. Read the full article with some photos at http://www.christoph-wickert.de/blog/2008/10/26/i-party-2008-at-muenster-germany/ Regards, Christoph [1] I-Party Announcement: http://www.antennetux.de/joomla/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=27&Itemid=37 [2] Antenne Tux: http://www.antennetux.de/ [3] "Freedom is a feature" - Interview with Fedora Ambassador Christoph Wickert (German only, 2007): http://www.antennetux.de/joomla/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=112&Itemid=51 P.S.: Sorry I didn't manage to blog about this earlier, but I had been waiting for the photos. From gerold at lugd.org Sun Oct 26 16:16:33 2008 From: gerold at lugd.org (Gerold Kassube) Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2008 17:16:33 +0100 Subject: [Ambassadors] Event Report: I-Party 08 at =?ISO-8859-1?Q?M=FCnster=2C?= Germany In-Reply-To: <1225029823.3410.20.camel@wicktop.localdomain> References: <1225029823.3410.20.camel@wicktop.localdomain> Message-ID: <1225037793.3812.4.camel@F9NB.homenet.local> congrats Christoph, sounds that you have a great success personally and also for Fedora! It males me happy to see that on the one hand, seeing how you promote Fedora and on the other hand that you're sharing your knowlege, your thoughts and your experience with us ... ... we missed that from some guys in the past but once again: my personall congratulation and I'm happy to see u again soon in BASEL :-) Enjoy your weekend Gerold Am Sonntag, den 26.10.2008, 15:03 +0100 schrieb Christoph Wickert: > Last Sunday I attended the annual I-Party [1], a Linux installation > party here in M?nster held by Antenne Tux [2], a Linux radio station. I > have been there last year too, but this year was much better: We had > more visitors, more distributions and more installations. The atmosphere > was intensive but concentrated, there was free food and drinks and we > had a lot of fun. > > The Antenne Tux guys were pleased to have a Fedora ambassador attending > and asked me for an interview. Steward, the interviewer, was very well > informed about Fedora, so we had a lot of interesting questions discuss. > We both didn't notice how time flew by and talked for nearly half an > hour. This certainly is to long and needs some cutting. The interview is > scheduled for broadcast on November 22nd, just a few days before the > release of F10. Until then you can listen to the interview I did last > year [3]. > > Steward said that I have a good voice for radio, and asked me if I > wanted to officially join the Antenne Tux team. Of course I do! I hope I > will be able to promote Fedora better and more professional there. > > Read the full article with some photos at > http://www.christoph-wickert.de/blog/2008/10/26/i-party-2008-at-muenster-germany/ > > Regards, > Christoph > > > [1] I-Party Announcement: > http://www.antennetux.de/joomla/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=27&Itemid=37 > > [2] Antenne Tux: http://www.antennetux.de/ > > [3] "Freedom is a feature" - Interview with Fedora Ambassador Christoph > Wickert (German only, 2007): > http://www.antennetux.de/joomla/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=112&Itemid=51 > > > P.S.: Sorry I didn't manage to blog about this earlier, but I had been > waiting for the photos. > > > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > -- Gerold Kassube -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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The correct link to last year's interview is http://www.antennetux.de/joomla/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=111&Itemid=51 2. This year's interview will be broadcasted on November 27th, not 22nd. I'm looking forward to meet all of you guys in Basel soon! Regards, Christoph From herlo1 at gmail.com Mon Oct 27 06:07:59 2008 From: herlo1 at gmail.com (Clint Savage) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 00:07:59 -0600 Subject: [Ambassadors] Re: store SIG? In-Reply-To: <20081027035540.GA30983@gmail.com> References: <20081027035540.GA30983@gmail.com> Message-ID: 2008/10/26 Ian Weller : > Hey all, > > I haven't heard a thing about the Store SIG [1] for months. Is that > still going on behind the scenes or does it need revived? There was some discussion about reviving it FADNA this last month. Not sure there was a conclusion other than to say that we all were interested in discussing it more and getting it going IIRC. Cheers, Clint From red at fedoraproject.org Mon Oct 27 09:58:10 2008 From: red at fedoraproject.org (Sandro red Mathys ) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 10:58:10 +0100 (CET) Subject: [Ambassadors] Re: store SIG? In-Reply-To: References: <20081027035540.GA30983@gmail.com> Message-ID: <5dbd2bad2564cd3c99910c564ca4e328.squirrel@webmail.sandro-mathys.ch> > 2008/10/26 Ian Weller : >> Hey all, >> >> I haven't heard a thing about the Store SIG [1] for months. Is that >> still going on behind the scenes or does it need revived? The Store SIG is pretty much dead, AFAICS. But I'm actually thinking about just opening a store at spreadshirt.net (or similar) for Europe. There's been too much talking about this topic instead of just realizing the simple idea. If nobody has a sound objection, I'm going to propose/discuss this shortly at the upcoming FAD EMEA 2008 in Basel in mid-November before opening such a store for Europe (except France, where such a shop exists already). It's time to act. -- red From mspevack at redhat.com Mon Oct 27 10:17:41 2008 From: mspevack at redhat.com (Max Spevack) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 11:17:41 +0100 (CET) Subject: [Ambassadors] Re: store SIG? In-Reply-To: References: <20081027035540.GA30983@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 27 Oct 2008, Clint Savage wrote: > There was some discussion about reviving it FADNA this last month. Not > sure there was a conclusion other than to say that we all were > interested in discussing it more and getting it going IIRC. IMHO, the Store SIG was a more interesting idea before we got to the point where NA and EMEA ambassadors are both regionally self-sufficient in producing all the things they need. It seems like the evolution of Ambassadors may have rendered one of the Store SIG's goals irrelevant. That's not a bad thing -- progress was made on the root problem, just in a different way. Personally, I think the Store SIG can be retired for the time being. --Max From red at fedoraproject.org Mon Oct 27 10:26:17 2008 From: red at fedoraproject.org (Sandro red Mathys ) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 11:26:17 +0100 (CET) Subject: [Ambassadors] Re: store SIG? In-Reply-To: References: <20081027035540.GA30983@gmail.com> Message-ID: <7f1ac9bc6586f7737a77f00dba2c9efd.squirrel@webmail.sandro-mathys.ch> > On Mon, 27 Oct 2008, Max Spevack wrote: > IMHO, the Store SIG was a more interesting idea before we got to the > point where NA and EMEA ambassadors are both regionally self-sufficient > in producing all the things they need. I think that's true for ambassadors producing the polos and swag they need for events. But we'd still need a store for people who want to buy some merchandise over the internet. The online store can also offer more different products (with different printings) than we can at an event (because we're restricted in money to stock those things and in space to offer them at the events). From scott at tekkie.org Mon Oct 27 12:14:58 2008 From: scott at tekkie.org (Scott Thistle) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 09:44:58 -0230 Subject: [Ambassadors] Re: store SIG? In-Reply-To: <7f1ac9bc6586f7737a77f00dba2c9efd.squirrel@webmail.sandro-mathys.ch> References: <20081027035540.GA30983@gmail.com> <7f1ac9bc6586f7737a77f00dba2c9efd.squirrel@webmail.sandro-mathys.ch> Message-ID: <3d0809e40810270514t22592ab9o97e2e038f583c6c6@mail.gmail.com> I totally agree. I, for one, would like to be able to simply buy a Fedora shirt for myself without having to order a hundred of them. I am in Canada btw. On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 7:56 AM, Sandro red Mathys wrote: > > On Mon, 27 Oct 2008, Max Spevack wrote: > > IMHO, the Store SIG was a more interesting idea before we got to the > > point where NA and EMEA ambassadors are both regionally self-sufficient > > in producing all the things they need. > > I think that's true for ambassadors producing the polos and swag they need > for events. > > But we'd still need a store for people who want to buy some merchandise > over the internet. The online store can also offer more different products > (with different printings) than we can at an event (because we're > restricted in money to stock those things and in space to offer them at > the events). > > > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > -- Scott Thistle scott at tekkie.org sthistle at fedoraproject.org https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Sthistle -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kwade at redhat.com Mon Oct 27 15:52:02 2008 From: kwade at redhat.com (Karsten 'quaid' Wade) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 08:52:02 -0700 Subject: [Ambassadors] event kit update Message-ID: <1225122722.21380.610.camel@calliope.phig.org> Just a note that I heard good things about the effect of the event kit for FSOSS in Toronto this last weekend. The box is in the Red Hat Toronto office, waiting to go wherever it is needed next. You can contact Andrew Overholt when you know where it needs to go next. When you get it, please find a way to sticker it with your event and/or city, as it is getting to be quite the world traveler. :) - Karsten -- Karsten Wade, Community Gardener Dev Fu : http://developer.redhatmagazine.com Fedora : http://quaid.fedorapeople.org gpg key : AD0E0C41 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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You can > contact Andrew Overholt when you know where it needs to go next. > > When you get it, please find a way to sticker it with your event and/or > city, as it is getting to be quite the world traveler. :) Wouldn't it be wiser to have one in other RedHat offices around the world ? We are likely to have several events in the same time (think Release Parties), so sending the one kit we have around the world is likely to be totally inefficient. Even better, don't rely on RedHat and have one kit for each local team :) Regards, ---------- Mathieu Bridon (bochecha) French Fedora Ambassador ---------- "They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety." ~Benjamin Franklin From david at gnsa.us Mon Oct 27 16:51:18 2008 From: david at gnsa.us (David Nalley) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 12:51:18 -0400 Subject: [Ambassadors] event kit update In-Reply-To: <60949.VwBUX1dRCno=.1225125310.squirrel@webmail.no-log.org> References: <1225122722.21380.610.camel@calliope.phig.org> <60949.VwBUX1dRCno=.1225125310.squirrel@webmail.no-log.org> Message-ID: On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 12:35 PM, Mathieu Bridon (bochecha) wrote: >> Just a note that I heard good things about the effect of the event kit >> for FSOSS in Toronto this last weekend. The box is in the Red Hat >> Toronto office, waiting to go wherever it is needed next. You can >> contact Andrew Overholt when you know where it needs to go next. >> >> When you get it, please find a way to sticker it with your event and/or >> city, as it is getting to be quite the world traveler. :) > > Wouldn't it be wiser to have one in other RedHat offices around the world ? > > We are likely to have several events in the same time (think Release > Parties), so sending the one kit we have around the world is likely to be > totally inefficient. > > Even better, don't rely on RedHat and have one kit for each local team :) > Eventually NA hopes to have 4 of these event boxes - the problem is that in the end each event box has (or will have) well nigh 1000 USD worth of equipment in it. Right now there is an XO, there will soon be an HP 2133 Mininote. The box itself is around 160 dollars, and then you have banners and posters and other associated items. Unfortunately the US is so dispersed that with a few exceptions there aren't really 'local' teams. From bochecha at fedoraproject.org Mon Oct 27 17:24:59 2008 From: bochecha at fedoraproject.org (Mathieu Bridon (bochecha)) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 18:24:59 +0100 (CET) Subject: [Ambassadors] event kit update In-Reply-To: References: <1225122722.21380.610.camel@calliope.phig.org> <60949.VwBUX1dRCno=.1225125310.squirrel@webmail.no-log.org> Message-ID: <42849.VwBUX1dRCno=.1225128299.squirrel@webmail.no-log.org> >> Wouldn't it be wiser to have one in other RedHat offices around the >> world ? >> >> We are likely to have several events in the same time (think Release >> Parties), so sending the one kit we have around the world is likely to >> be >> totally inefficient. >> >> Even better, don't rely on RedHat and have one kit for each local team >> :) >> > > Eventually NA hopes to have 4 of these event boxes - the problem is > that in the end each event box has (or will have) well nigh 1000 USD > worth of equipment in it. Right now there is an XO, there will soon be > an HP 2133 Mininote. The box itself is around 160 dollars, and then > you have banners and posters and other associated items. Unfortunately > the US is so dispersed that with a few exceptions there aren't really > 'local' teams. Hmmm... US is only *one* country, so, to me, that's basically *one* local team. Remember that other countries exist in the world outside US :) About the XO, is it _really_ necessary to include it in the event kit ? For example, lot's of people were volontary for the Fedora on XO test campaign, so they already have one to bring to events. I'll personnally buy one when the G1G1 opens again on Amazon. Same thing for the HP mininote, why include a computer in an event kit ? Are you really planning on sending this all around the world like Karten said ? o_O Can't we simply have a list of the materials somewhere, and then a budget is allowed to each local team meeting some arbitrary criteria (more than XX members for example) especially to compose their kit (print the banners, etc...) ---------- Mathieu Bridon (bochecha) French Fedora Ambassador ---------- "They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety." ~Benjamin Franklin From pingou at pingoured.fr Mon Oct 27 17:35:53 2008 From: pingou at pingoured.fr (Pierre-Yves) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 18:35:53 +0100 Subject: [Ambassadors] event kit update In-Reply-To: <42849.VwBUX1dRCno=.1225128299.squirrel@webmail.no-log.org> References: <1225122722.21380.610.camel@calliope.phig.org> <60949.VwBUX1dRCno=.1225125310.squirrel@webmail.no-log.org> <42849.VwBUX1dRCno=.1225128299.squirrel@webmail.no-log.org> Message-ID: <4905FBF9.7020003@pingoured.fr> Mathieu Bridon (bochecha) wrote: >> Eventually NA hopes to have 4 of these event boxes - the problem is >> that in the end each event box has (or will have) well nigh 1000 USD >> worth of equipment in it. Right now there is an XO, there will soon be >> an HP 2133 Mininote. The box itself is around 160 dollars, and then >> you have banners and posters and other associated items. Unfortunately >> the US is so dispersed that with a few exceptions there aren't really >> 'local' teams. > > Hmmm... US is only *one* country, so, to me, that's basically *one* local > team. > > Remember that other countries exist in the world outside US :) Except that severals discussion have been held about the event kit in EMEA (including in the FAD last year) and that they concluded that to different regions different needs ;) If event box are going to be rediscuss for EMEA I think that should be another thread. Cheers, Pierre From mspevack at redhat.com Mon Oct 27 17:41:59 2008 From: mspevack at redhat.com (Max Spevack) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 18:41:59 +0100 (CET) Subject: [Ambassadors] event kit update In-Reply-To: <42849.VwBUX1dRCno=.1225128299.squirrel@webmail.no-log.org> References: <1225122722.21380.610.camel@calliope.phig.org> <60949.VwBUX1dRCno=.1225125310.squirrel@webmail.no-log.org> <42849.VwBUX1dRCno=.1225128299.squirrel@webmail.no-log.org> Message-ID: On Mon, 27 Oct 2008, Mathieu Bridon (bochecha) wrote: > Remember that other countries exist in the world outside US :) We have somewhere between 5-10 XOs floating around EMEA right now, and the ability to get other swag to people as needed -- banners, posters, etc. We also have regional budgets for Ambassadors to make things like banners and stickers. Also, I still have a few hundred of the "I *heart* Fedora" shirts in my apartment, and they don't have any of those in the US. So everyone should be getting the resources they need. No worries. And Mathieu, if there's some resources that you guys need in France that you haven't gotten, let's take care of it. I asked MrTom to send me the Fedora-fr bank information last week so that I can get you guys some more budget. How you spend that budget is entirely up to you! --Max From bochecha at fedoraproject.org Mon Oct 27 17:54:59 2008 From: bochecha at fedoraproject.org (Mathieu Bridon (bochecha)) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 18:54:59 +0100 (CET) Subject: [Ambassadors] event kit update In-Reply-To: <4905FBF9.7020003@pingoured.fr> References: <1225122722.21380.610.camel@calliope.phig.org> <60949.VwBUX1dRCno=.1225125310.squirrel@webmail.no-log.org> <42849.VwBUX1dRCno=.1225128299.squirrel@webmail.no-log.org> <4905FBF9.7020003@pingoured.fr> Message-ID: <46274.VwBUX1dRCno=.1225130099.squirrel@webmail.no-log.org> > Mathieu Bridon (bochecha) wrote: >>> Eventually NA hopes to have 4 of these event boxes - the problem is >>> that in the end each event box has (or will have) well nigh 1000 USD >>> worth of equipment in it. Right now there is an XO, there will soon be >>> an HP 2133 Mininote. The box itself is around 160 dollars, and then >>> you have banners and posters and other associated items. Unfortunately >>> the US is so dispersed that with a few exceptions there aren't really >>> 'local' teams. >> >> Hmmm... US is only *one* country, so, to me, that's basically *one* >> local >> team. >> >> Remember that other countries exist in the world outside US :) > > > Except that severals discussion have been held about the event kit in > EMEA (including in the FAD last year) and that they concluded that to > different regions different needs ;) > If event box are going to be rediscuss for EMEA I think that should be > another thread. Well, this thread didn't seem to be US specific (look at the subject), that's why I jumped in :) If it's already been discussed for EMEA, it must have been before I became an Ambassador, Pierre-Yves, can we discuss that at our next meeting for France ? ---------- Mathieu Bridon (bochecha) French Fedora Ambassador ---------- "They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety." ~Benjamin Franklin From pingou at pingoured.fr Mon Oct 27 18:04:50 2008 From: pingou at pingoured.fr (Pierre-Yves) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 19:04:50 +0100 Subject: [Ambassadors] event kit update In-Reply-To: <46274.VwBUX1dRCno=.1225130099.squirrel@webmail.no-log.org> References: <1225122722.21380.610.camel@calliope.phig.org> <60949.VwBUX1dRCno=.1225125310.squirrel@webmail.no-log.org> <42849.VwBUX1dRCno=.1225128299.squirrel@webmail.no-log.org> <4905FBF9.7020003@pingoured.fr> <46274.VwBUX1dRCno=.1225130099.squirrel@webmail.no-log.org> Message-ID: <490602C2.3050204@pingoured.fr> Mathieu Bridon (bochecha) wrote: >> Mathieu Bridon (bochecha) wrote: > If it's already been discussed for EMEA, it must have been before I became > an Ambassador, Pierre-Yves, can we discuss that at our next meeting for > France ? Indeed the discussion was sometime ago, we can always discuss the point again if you like (even if I am not sure of the interest), I let you add this point to the agenda. Cheers, Pierre From bochecha at fedoraproject.org Mon Oct 27 18:05:36 2008 From: bochecha at fedoraproject.org (Mathieu Bridon (bochecha)) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 19:05:36 +0100 (CET) Subject: [Ambassadors] event kit update In-Reply-To: References: <1225122722.21380.610.camel@calliope.phig.org> <60949.VwBUX1dRCno=.1225125310.squirrel@webmail.no-log.org> <42849.VwBUX1dRCno=.1225128299.squirrel@webmail.no-log.org> Message-ID: <46672.VwBUX1dRCno=.1225130736.squirrel@webmail.no-log.org> > On Mon, 27 Oct 2008, Mathieu Bridon (bochecha) wrote: > >> Remember that other countries exist in the world outside US :) > > We have somewhere between 5-10 XOs floating around EMEA right now, and > the ability to get other swag to people as needed -- banners, posters, > etc. We also have regional budgets for Ambassadors to make things like > banners and stickers. Also, I still have a few hundred of the "I > *heart* Fedora" shirts in my apartment, and they don't have any of those > in the US. > > So everyone should be getting the resources they need. No worries. > > And Mathieu, if there's some resources that you guys need in France that > you haven't gotten, let's take care of it. I asked MrTom to send me the > Fedora-fr bank information last week so that I can get you guys some > more budget. How you spend that budget is entirely up to you! Oh, it looks like what I said didn't sound like I wanted :-/ I know we are doing lot's of stuff in EMEA and that we can have a lot of money for basically everything we need (except a nice sport car for my personal use :D). I just said that having *one* event kit in Toronto to send it around the world seemed not really reasonable. ---------- Mathieu Bridon (bochecha) French Fedora Ambassador ---------- "They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety." ~Benjamin Franklin From david at gnsa.us Mon Oct 27 18:09:29 2008 From: david at gnsa.us (David Nalley) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 14:09:29 -0400 Subject: [Ambassadors] event kit update In-Reply-To: <42849.VwBUX1dRCno=.1225128299.squirrel@webmail.no-log.org> References: <1225122722.21380.610.camel@calliope.phig.org> <60949.VwBUX1dRCno=.1225125310.squirrel@webmail.no-log.org> <42849.VwBUX1dRCno=.1225128299.squirrel@webmail.no-log.org> Message-ID: > > Hmmm... US is only *one* country, so, to me, that's basically *one* local > team. Of course, at the same time, few countries have the kind of distances involved in the US - for instance going to Linuxworld in California would be almost a 3000 mile trip for me. In terms of size, the US is more analogous to the entire European continent. (US is 9.8 million square kilometers, while Europe is 10.18 million square kilometers). Also I referred to NA - not just the US - and while for our purposes that's effectively the US and Canada that's still larger than any 'local' team could hope to cover without significant travel funding. > > About the XO, is it _really_ necessary to include it in the event kit ? > For example, lot's of people were volontary for the Fedora on XO test > campaign, so they already have one to bring to events. I'll personnally > buy one when the G1G1 opens again on Amazon. For our purposes - it's absolutely necessary - for two reasons: 1. It attracts tons of people 2. One of our missions (and by our I mean NA Ambassadors) is to recruit new contributors - and the OLPC SIG is in dire need of them - carrying that machine around has garnered a number of contributors (many of whom now have their own machine) Furthermore - 1cc provided them to us for that purpose - so we can't let them sit idel. > > Same thing for the HP mininote, why include a computer in an event kit ? > Are you really planning on sending this all around the world like Karten > said ? o_O Not all around the world, but certainly all around the continent. The HP mininote - well because it makes a nice display for Fedora that at the same time is small and light. Plus it can be setup for USB creation station - which is in our plan as soon as they arrive. Moreover they are being donated to NA Ambassadors - and as much as I'd like to hang on to one personally, I can't see that as a wise use for HP's donation. > > Can't we simply have a list of the materials somewhere, and then a budget > is allowed to each local team meeting some arbitrary criteria (more than > XX members for example) especially to compose their kit (print the > banners, etc...) That's actually exactly what we were trying to avoid - good high quality banners tend to be expensive. They also take some time to get ordered. Often times in the US the conferences and events that we are attending have the 'Fedora Event Owner' serving on staff. Like the event reports that came out of OLF, it makes life VERY easy when the box roles in and you can start hanging banners and signs and pull equipment out. And with a relative certainty know that, excluding consumables, the box has everything you need to run a booth. Especially if the booth is being run by someone who has never done it before. From linux at elfshadow.net Mon Oct 27 18:35:56 2008 From: linux at elfshadow.net (Jeffrey Tadlock) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 14:35:56 -0400 Subject: [Ambassadors] Re: store SIG? In-Reply-To: <5dbd2bad2564cd3c99910c564ca4e328.squirrel@webmail.sandro-mathys.ch> References: <20081027035540.GA30983@gmail.com> <5dbd2bad2564cd3c99910c564ca4e328.squirrel@webmail.sandro-mathys.ch> Message-ID: <10e0a9b00810271135v2c27373oc0dd6ad3bdb41cb2@mail.gmail.com> On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 5:58 AM, Sandro red Mathys wrote: > The Store SIG is pretty much dead, AFAICS. But I'm actually thinking about > just opening a store at spreadshirt.net (or similar) for Europe. There's > been too much talking about this topic instead of just realizing the > simple idea. As Clint mentioned the Store SIG was discussed at the FADNA this year in Ohio. I was able to show the various quality of shirts from cafepress and spreadshirt in comparison to a similar shirt actually made at a screen printer. Though the color accuracy of spreadshirt is off a bit, it was deemed close enough to not be a major issue. While setting up the store seems simple there are a couple of details that need decided. One was what potential ramifications does it have on Fedora Project to sell items with a small profit. In the US that would require reporting said profit which Fedora Project is not really in the position to do. The EMEA group would likely be able to work around this by opening the store under their control and having it fall under the non-profit status. We do not have that in the US as of now. The other issue, which largely just requires some organization is to make sure access to the behind the scenes portion of the store is not left to a single person. People get busy and their amount of time to volunteer varies. So having a group of trusted people to manage the store is important as well - again, not a major issue but a decision that does need made. The Store SIG was also attempting to provide a front-end at store.fp.o to lead people to the on demand vendor of choice. That way ambassadors and such could easily refer people to store.fp.o when a person wanted to order an item from the store. Another decision the Store SIG had to reach was whether a single entity could serve everyone. After looking at the various options it is most likely that one store cannot adequately serve all areas of the world. Spreadshirt does lend itself well though to having one based in the European region and a second in the North American region to get started - though they would be two separate stores - they could be given a similar look and feel. Also, the French already have a spreadshirt store, so it might be wise for the EMEA to see about working with them to avoid paying the annual fees to have a customizable store twice. Thanks, Jeffrey From satyajit at nerdshack.com Tue Oct 28 04:13:28 2008 From: satyajit at nerdshack.com (Satyajit Ranjeev) Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 11:13:28 +0700 Subject: [Ambassadors] Fedora Discs Message-ID: <1225167208.4190.22.camel@aytas.oakgrove.hom> Hi, I have noticed that the Fedora ISO images available on the fedora site are the same from the release time. If I were to download a live cd image I would have to install atleast 600M of updates. Now just think of this, I have just downloaded 700M for the live cd and when I update I have again 600+M to download. I do realize there is the respins and fedora unity. But for first time users it would be rather ridiculous. The new users are just going to come to the web site and download the old cd image. Is there any way where we could update these images? Satyajit Ranjeev > From lnxknight at gmail.com Tue Oct 28 04:23:40 2008 From: lnxknight at gmail.com (Matt McKenzie) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 21:23:40 -0700 Subject: [Ambassadors] Fedora Discs In-Reply-To: <1225167208.4190.22.camel@aytas.oakgrove.hom> References: <1225167208.4190.22.camel@aytas.oakgrove.hom> Message-ID: On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 9:13 PM, Satyajit Ranjeev wrote: > Hi, > > I have noticed that the Fedora ISO images available on the fedora > site > are the same from the release time. If I were to download a live cd > image I would have to install atleast 600M of updates. Now just think of > this, I have just downloaded 700M for the live cd and when I update I > have again 600+M to download. I do realize there is the respins and > fedora unity. But for first time users it would be rather ridiculous. > The new users are just going to come to the web site and download the > old cd image. > > Is there any way where we could update these images? > > Satyajit Ranjeev > > > > > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > The Fedora Unity Project has what you are asking for. These are "re-spins", that are completely up to date as of the date listed, so you won't have to download as much or any updates. http://spins.fedoraunity.org/spins -- ---------- Matt M. LinuxKnight -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lnxknight at gmail.com Tue Oct 28 04:38:43 2008 From: lnxknight at gmail.com (Matt McKenzie) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 21:38:43 -0700 Subject: [Ambassadors] Fedora Discs In-Reply-To: References: <1225167208.4190.22.camel@aytas.oakgrove.hom> Message-ID: OK I should have read your whole post before replying- but at any rate your best options are either have them download the outdated official ISO of the current release (F9), have them download a respin that won't need to be updated, or download an official Beta ISO of the upcoming release (F10). There is no real reason to update the official images on the main site, they are going to be obsolete in 6 months. This is why the Unity project exists, to provide more updated ISO images, while not tying up the main release engineers' time making new ISOs all the time. Their time is better spent working on the next release. This is how it is in the free software / open source world, it is a constantly moving target. Pick the latest one and go for it. What is so ridiculous having a new user download a respin instead of official image, if a new release is less than a month away (for example)? Or, why not burn it for them? IMHO. On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 9:23 PM, Matt McKenzie wrote: > On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 9:13 PM, Satyajit Ranjeev wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> I have noticed that the Fedora ISO images available on the fedora >> site >> are the same from the release time. If I were to download a live cd >> image I would have to install atleast 600M of updates. Now just think of >> this, I have just downloaded 700M for the live cd and when I update I >> have again 600+M to download. I do realize there is the respins and >> fedora unity. But for first time users it would be rather ridiculous. >> The new users are just going to come to the web site and download the >> old cd image. >> >> Is there any way where we could update these images? >> >> Satyajit Ranjeev >> > >> >> >> -- >> Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list >> Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list >> > > > The Fedora Unity Project has what you are asking for. > These are "re-spins", that are completely up to date as of the date listed, > so you won't have to download as much or any updates. > > http://spins.fedoraunity.org/spins > > > > > > -- > ---------- > Matt M. > LinuxKnight > -- ---------- Matt M. LinuxKnight -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From herlo1 at gmail.com Tue Oct 28 05:14:13 2008 From: herlo1 at gmail.com (Clint Savage) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 23:14:13 -0600 Subject: [Ambassadors] event kit update In-Reply-To: References: <1225122722.21380.610.camel@calliope.phig.org> <60949.VwBUX1dRCno=.1225125310.squirrel@webmail.no-log.org> <42849.VwBUX1dRCno=.1225128299.squirrel@webmail.no-log.org> Message-ID: On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 12:09 PM, David Nalley wrote: >> >> Hmmm... US is only *one* country, so, to me, that's basically *one* local >> team. > > Of course, at the same time, few countries have the kind of distances > involved in the US - for instance going to Linuxworld in California > would be almost a 3000 mile trip for me. In terms of size, the US is > more analogous to the entire European continent. (US is 9.8 million > square kilometers, while Europe is 10.18 million square kilometers). > Also I referred to NA - not just the US - and while for our purposes > that's effectively the US and Canada that's still larger than any > 'local' team could hope to cover without significant travel funding. > >> >> About the XO, is it _really_ necessary to include it in the event kit ? >> For example, lot's of people were volontary for the Fedora on XO test >> campaign, so they already have one to bring to events. I'll personnally >> buy one when the G1G1 opens again on Amazon. > > For our purposes - it's absolutely necessary - for two reasons: > 1. It attracts tons of people > 2. One of our missions (and by our I mean NA Ambassadors) is to > recruit new contributors - and the OLPC SIG is in dire need of them - > carrying that machine around has garnered a number of contributors > (many of whom now have their own machine) Furthermore - 1cc provided > them to us for that purpose - so we can't let them sit idel. > >> >> Same thing for the HP mininote, why include a computer in an event kit ? >> Are you really planning on sending this all around the world like Karten >> said ? o_O > > Not all around the world, but certainly all around the continent. > The HP mininote - well because it makes a nice display for Fedora that > at the same time is small and light. Plus it can be setup for USB > creation station - which is in our plan as soon as they arrive. > Moreover they are being donated to NA Ambassadors - and as much as I'd > like to hang on to one personally, I can't see that as a wise use for > HP's donation. > > >> >> Can't we simply have a list of the materials somewhere, and then a budget >> is allowed to each local team meeting some arbitrary criteria (more than >> XX members for example) especially to compose their kit (print the >> banners, etc...) > > > That's actually exactly what we were trying to avoid - good high > quality banners tend to be expensive. They also take some time to get > ordered. Often times in the US the conferences and events that we are > attending have the 'Fedora Event Owner' serving on staff. Like the > event reports that came out of OLF, it makes life VERY easy when the > box roles in and you can start hanging banners and signs and pull > equipment out. And with a relative certainty know that, excluding > consumables, the box has everything you need to run a booth. > Especially if the booth is being run by someone who has never done it > before. > > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > I love the debate here, it's great to see so many people liking the first EventBox. I should point out that the EventBox came from the GNOME folks and I believe EMEA created the page we used to design it. https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/EventBox I would like to point out the official name as the EventBox and not the EventKit. It's not a kit for making an event. It's a box which holds items useful for Events at which Fedorans will be involved. Either way, it's mostly a naming convention and nothing more. I put this together in a hope that it would drive this sort of attention and would work as well as it has. I think in the next year or so, we should see 4 in North America alone and I hope the rest of the Regions follow suit as it is a great idea. I love standing on the shoulders of others and hacking something real-world into place that has become so great. Thanks for the vote of confidence. And as for getting the EventBox on to it's next destination, I think we decided at the last FAmNA meeting that it would be based upon what the next event was listed in the North American Section of the FedoraEvents (https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FedoraEvents#September_2008_-_November_2008_.28FY09_Q3.29) page. Looking forward to excellent reports about the EventBoxen around the world. Cheers, Clint Savage From satyajit at nerdshack.com Tue Oct 28 05:23:33 2008 From: satyajit at nerdshack.com (Satyajit Ranjeev) Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 12:23:33 +0700 Subject: [Ambassadors] Fedora Discs In-Reply-To: References: <1225167208.4190.22.camel@aytas.oakgrove.hom> Message-ID: <1225171413.4190.29.camel@aytas.oakgrove.hom> > This is how it is in the free software / open source world, it is a > constantly moving target. Pick the latest one and go for it. Why dont we atleast provide a link in the download pages to direct them to the fedora unity project page? In that way new users will have the latest image. > What is so ridiculous having a new user download a respin instead of > official image, if a new release is less than a month away (for > example)? It is ridiculous for a new user to download the old iso images and then update their system again. > Or, why not burn it for them? I am actually doing it for them (I should consider joining the free media group though) But this is for the ones who download it straight from the internet. What about them? From danishka at gmail.com Tue Oct 28 07:21:12 2008 From: danishka at gmail.com (Danishka Navin) Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 12:51:12 +0530 Subject: [Ambassadors] FOSS event @ Richmond College Message-ID: <4906BD68.9070808@gmail.com> Folks, Yesterday (27th) we had a good event at Richmond College, Galle , Sri Lanak [organized by Richmond College LUG]. It was targeting Grade 8 and Grade 9 students . University of Ruhuna and LKLUG geeks were conducted the event. Few photos : http://www.flickr.com/photos/danishkanavin/tags/richlug/ Danishka From randika at randika.com Tue Oct 28 07:43:59 2008 From: randika at randika.com (Randika Rathugama) Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 13:13:59 +0530 Subject: [Ambassadors] FOSS event @ Richmond College In-Reply-To: <4906BD68.9070808@gmail.com> References: <4906BD68.9070808@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi Danishka, I recently join with the project. Hope to join with you guys in future. Please don't forget to update me any future events too. Still I'm a n00b here. Btw nice work with Rich Lug ! 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Please don't forget to update me any > future events too. > Still I'm a n00b here. Btw nice work with Rich Lug ! Sure! > > > Thanks > -- > Randika Rathugama - Sri Lanka > Email/GTalk : randika at randika.com > Web : http://developerwiki.org > > > On Tue, Oct 28, 2008 at 12:51 PM, Danishka Navin wrote: > >> Folks, >> >> Yesterday (27th) we had a good event at Richmond College, Galle , Sri >> Lanak [organized by Richmond College LUG]. >> It was targeting Grade 8 and Grade 9 students . >> University of Ruhuna and LKLUG geeks were conducted the event. >> >> Few photos : http://www.flickr.com/photos/danishkanavin/tags/richlug/ >> >> Danishka >> >> -- >> Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list >> Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list >> > > > > > > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > > -- Danishka Navin http://danishkanavin.blogspot.com (use Sinhala Unicode fonts) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From red at fedoraproject.org Tue Oct 28 08:11:09 2008 From: red at fedoraproject.org (Sandro "red" Mathys) Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 09:11:09 +0100 Subject: [Ambassadors] Re: store SIG? In-Reply-To: <10e0a9b00810271135v2c27373oc0dd6ad3bdb41cb2@mail.gmail.com> References: <20081027035540.GA30983@gmail.com> <5dbd2bad2564cd3c99910c564ca4e328.squirrel@webmail.sandro-mathys.ch> <10e0a9b00810271135v2c27373oc0dd6ad3bdb41cb2@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4906C91D.1000504@fedoraproject.org> Jeffrey Tadlock wrote: > (...) sell items with a small profit. In the US that > would require reporting said profit which Fedora Project is not really > in the position to do. The EMEA group would likely be able to work > around this by opening the store under their control and having it > fall under the non-profit status. We do not have that in the US as of > now. Good point. I didn't thought about profit reporting yet, but I thought about having EMEA's association deal with the European store anyway since we need someone to control and distribute the profits. Why not open the NA-store with the EMEA NPO, too? Might make it more difficult or even impossible to have the profits help the NA ambassadors. But at least people in NA would be able to get merchandise stuff (which again is some sort of advertisement for us) which they hardly can nowadays. We could still transfer that store to the NA NPO as soon as one is established. > Another decision the Store SIG had to reach was whether a single > entity could serve everyone. After looking at the various options it > is most likely that one store cannot adequately serve all areas of the > world. I totally agree on this. I actually think that's the point where the Store SIG spent too much time, trying to have one global store. And spreadshirt is really perfectly organized to cover north America and Europe with just two stores. > Also, the French already have a spreadshirt store, so it might be wise > for the EMEA to see about working with them to avoid paying the annual > fees to have a customizable store twice. I think it might prove difficult to do this as the French store collects money for the French association, while the European store is meant to get the EMEA association some money. But we'll look at this - what do you think about that, MrTom? I'd also like to ask spreadshirt if it's possible to have 2 or 3 stores (NA, EU, maybe FR) that have the same items and pricing and only pay the annual fee once...somehow. Or maybe for a reduced fee. -- red From wonderer4711 at gmx.de Tue Oct 28 10:24:28 2008 From: wonderer4711 at gmx.de (wonderer) Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 11:24:28 +0100 Subject: [Ambassadors] event kit update In-Reply-To: <1225122722.21380.610.camel@calliope.phig.org> References: <1225122722.21380.610.camel@calliope.phig.org> Message-ID: <4906E85C.2010904@gmx.de> Hy, sounds good. But is it possible to get some pics of that particular box in the wiki at https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/EventBox because there is mentioned a "event box" and a "personal box" and now it sounds like a "official fedora event box" ... a little bit confusing over the time ;-) Also maybe we can get a short Inventory overview. Maybe for later it will be possible to get an online calendar or something like that where someone can book the box for a timeperiod (maybe implementable over the FAS, like google calendar or something like that). So everyone has an overview where the box stays and if one (or more) boxes are available. mit freundlichen Gr??en / best regards Henrik Heigl - wonderer at fedoraproject.org Karsten 'quaid' Wade schrieb: > Just a note that I heard good things about the effect of the event kit > for FSOSS in Toronto this last weekend. The box is in the Red Hat > Toronto office, waiting to go wherever it is needed next. You can > contact Andrew Overholt when you know where it needs to go next. > > When you get it, please find a way to sticker it with your event and/or > city, as it is getting to be quite the world traveler. :) > > - Karsten > From herlo1 at gmail.com Tue Oct 28 13:53:20 2008 From: herlo1 at gmail.com (Clint Savage) Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 07:53:20 -0600 Subject: [Ambassadors] event kit update In-Reply-To: <4906E85C.2010904@gmx.de> References: <1225122722.21380.610.camel@calliope.phig.org> <4906E85C.2010904@gmx.de> Message-ID: On Tue, Oct 28, 2008 at 4:24 AM, wonderer wrote: > Hy, > > sounds good. But is it possible to get some pics of that particular box > in the wiki at https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/EventBox > because there is mentioned a "event box" and a "personal box" and now it > sounds like a "official fedora event box" ... a little bit confusing > over the time ;-) Yep, I can put them up. I already have some on flickr - http://flickr.com/photos/herlo0/2866570109/ Also, I'll revamp the page so it actually looks like it's something we have rather than something we're planning. > Also maybe we can get a short Inventory overview. The inventory overview you see there should be fairly accurate. We have yet to include the XOs as they are pretty new. > Maybe for later it will be possible to get an online calendar or > something like that where someone can book the box for a timeperiod > (maybe implementable over the FAS, like google calendar or something > like that). So everyone has an overview where the box stays and if one > (or more) boxes are available. > For right now, the EventBox is requested on a quarterly basis from the FedoraEvents[1] page. There's also an explanation as to how to get an EventBox for any particular event along with what's required[2]. I think in the future, once the quarterly events are planned and the EventBox has it's route, it wouldn't be a bad idea to have a calendar that shares this info. In fact, I think it would be rad to have a Fedora calendar overall. Cheers, Clint 1 - https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FedoraEvents 2 - https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/EventBox#Can_I_use_an_Event_Box_for_my_Event.3F From harish.pillay at gmail.com Tue Oct 28 14:30:09 2008 From: harish.pillay at gmail.com (Harish Pillay) Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 22:30:09 +0800 Subject: [Ambassadors] FOSS event In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: > More than twenty students and other professionals participated at the seminar and the demonstration held at Amparai - Sri Lanka (08/Oct/2008). The objective of the seminar was to demonstrate the cost effectiveness of the system and its benefits to training centers and to the small organizations working with tight budgets. > > http://www.lankanet.org/events.php?tag=1 Thanks for the report and the link. Are any of the ambassadors in Sri Lanka planning any F10 activities? -- Harish Pillay h.pillay at ieee.org gpg id: 746809E3 fingerprint: F7F5 5CCD 25B9 FC25 303E 3DA2 0F80 27DB 7468 09E3 From danishka at gmail.com Tue Oct 28 16:17:51 2008 From: danishka at gmail.com (Danishka Navin) Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 21:47:51 +0530 Subject: [Ambassadors] FOSS event In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <49073B2F.4020607@gmail.com> Harish Pillay wrote: >> More than twenty students and other professionals participated at the seminar and the demonstration held at Amparai - Sri Lanka (08/Oct/2008). The objective of the seminar was to demonstrate the cost effectiveness of the system and its benefits to training centers and to the small organizations working with tight budgets. >> >> http://www.lankanet.org/events.php?tag=1 >> > > Thanks for the report and the link. Are any of the ambassadors in Sri Lanka > planning any F10 activities? > > Harish, Not Specifically for the F10 release. But at the moment I am running 57 workshop for local authorities in Western Province of the Sri Lanka. This is continuing till end of this year. It was about introducing Localization + FOSS. So, I am distributing both F9 and F10 beta. However, I'm planning to make a sound about F10. :) Danishka From dezone24 at gmail.com Tue Oct 28 17:01:52 2008 From: dezone24 at gmail.com (Diego Escobar) Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 12:01:52 -0500 Subject: [Ambassadors] Fedora Discs In-Reply-To: <1225171413.4190.29.camel@aytas.oakgrove.hom> References: <1225167208.4190.22.camel@aytas.oakgrove.hom> <1225171413.4190.29.camel@aytas.oakgrove.hom> Message-ID: 2008/10/28 Satyajit Ranjeev > > > > This is how it is in the free software / open source world, it is a > > constantly moving target. Pick the latest one and go for it. > > Why dont we atleast provide a link in the download pages to direct them > to the fedora unity project page? In that way new users will have the > latest image. > +1 > > > What is so ridiculous having a new user download a respin instead of > > official image, if a new release is less than a month away (for > > example)? > It is ridiculous for a new user to download the old iso images and then > update their system again. > > > > Or, why not burn it for them? > I am actually doing it for them (I should consider joining the free media > group though) > But this is for the ones who download it straight from the internet. > What about them? > > > > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > -- Diego Escobar Fedora Ambassador for Colombia Fedora Release 9 (Sulphur): Linux Kernel 2.6.25 + Gnome 2.22 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From herlo1 at gmail.com Tue Oct 28 17:02:50 2008 From: herlo1 at gmail.com (Clint Savage) Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 11:02:50 -0600 Subject: [Ambassadors] [Reminder] FAMNA Meeting @ 2008-10-28 9pm EDT (01:00 UTC) Message-ID: This is a reminder for FAMNA Meeting 2008-10-28 9pm EDT irc.freenode.net #fedora-meeting Just a quick reminder that we'll be holding our weekly meeting in #fedora-meeting (irc.freenode.net) tonight at 9pm EDT (01:00 UTC) If you are interested in participating, or have something to contribute, feel free to add it to our agenda http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/Meetings/2008-10-28 See you all there. Cheers, Clint From loupgaroublond at gmail.com Tue Oct 28 22:43:03 2008 From: loupgaroublond at gmail.com (Yaakov Nemoy) Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 18:43:03 -0400 Subject: [Ambassadors] Working with OpenStreetMap Message-ID: <7f692fec0810281543v59fdf2adv21ee538154115d21@mail.gmail.com> Hi List, This weekend at the Ontario LinuxFest, I met Richard Weait, who is one of the organizers behind the LinuxFest. His $dayjob, as it turns out is to work as a Community Manager for OpenStreetMap, and he is responsible for the NA Northeast region. In two weeks, he is looking to do a mapping party in Pittsburgh, and he asked for local help in organising the local details, namely, marketing and providing good advice on a decent central location. I am curious if the rest of the Ambassadors are willing to help out here too. Would it be a good idea, and are you, the Ambassadors willing, to offer up our help in providing local resources? This means I will point Richard to our Ambassadors roster, and suggest that he plan mapping parties where there are Fedora presences. He would feel free to contact anyone who is an Ambassador to ask for pointers on how to market, where to run, and how to run a mapping party in that local region. One of the OpenStreetMap guys would come and run the actual party, so I would imagine it wouldn't be more than just handling a few emails and maybe an hour of contacting a local venue (local cafes are excellent) to get the necessary permissions. Is this something that has some potential within the Fedora Ambassadors? -Yaakov From christoph.wickert at googlemail.com Tue Oct 28 22:43:49 2008 From: christoph.wickert at googlemail.com (Christoph Wickert) Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 23:43:49 +0100 Subject: [Ambassadors] Fedora Discs In-Reply-To: <1225171413.4190.29.camel@aytas.oakgrove.hom> References: <1225167208.4190.22.camel@aytas.oakgrove.hom> <1225171413.4190.29.camel@aytas.oakgrove.hom> Message-ID: <1225233829.8668.36.camel@wicktop.localdomain> Am Dienstag, den 28.10.2008, 12:23 +0700 schrieb Satyajit Ranjeev: > > Why dont we atleast provide a link in the download pages to direct them > to the fedora unity project page? Because Fedora Unity is a completely independent project that Fedora has no control over. So we cannot guarantee for the quality of the re-spins. Don't get me wrong: A lot of the Unity contributors are also part of Fedora and I trust in them, I'm just trying to explain why there is no link on the official download page. Regards, Christoph From harish.pillay at gmail.com Tue Oct 28 22:52:03 2008 From: harish.pillay at gmail.com (Harish Pillay) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 06:52:03 +0800 Subject: [Ambassadors] FOSS event In-Reply-To: <49073B2F.4020607@gmail.com> References: <49073B2F.4020607@gmail.com> Message-ID: Danishka - > Not Specifically for the F10 release. > > But at the moment I am running 57 workshop for local authorities in Western > Province of the Sri Lanka. > This is continuing till end of this year. > It was about introducing Localization + FOSS. > So, I am distributing both F9 and F10 beta. > > However, I'm planning to make a sound about F10. :) Good. Do update the wiki page when you do plan on something. -- Harish Pillay h.pillay at ieee.org gpg id: 746809E3 fingerprint: F7F5 5CCD 25B9 FC25 303E 3DA2 0F80 27DB 7468 09E3 From kam at kamsalisbury.com Tue Oct 28 23:58:10 2008 From: kam at kamsalisbury.com (Domain Admin) Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 19:58:10 -0400 Subject: [Ambassadors] Swag Resources Message-ID: <818ac3c70810281658s74f8d0eex2af549e2ee7b86fe@mail.gmail.com> In the US, what are the SWAG options? I will need stickers and T-Shirts for an event in December 2008. Past threads have said to have shirts produced locally (whoever has the "I 'heart' Fedora" T-Shirts please email me off list so I can get several of them?) But stickers and other promotionals? Is there an existing wiki page with a basic "how to" for swag items? ANyone know where to get branded USB flash keys? 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URL: From david at gnsa.us Wed Oct 29 02:47:59 2008 From: david at gnsa.us (David Nalley) Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 22:47:59 -0400 Subject: [Ambassadors] Swag Resources In-Reply-To: <818ac3c70810281658s74f8d0eex2af549e2ee7b86fe@mail.gmail.com> References: <818ac3c70810281658s74f8d0eex2af549e2ee7b86fe@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi Kam The first step is to get your item on the /Events page which I see you have. My understanding is that events have to be there by Nov 1. to get funding. Second you'll get money allocated - from that you can acquire swag. That budget will have to pay for Media (if it's even available by then), Tshirts, etc. If you need a small quantity you may want to work with your regional ambassador (I think that's me at the moment) to purchase with others. As an aside it looks like we'll be drafting a NA-SWAG faq in the not to distant future. 2008/10/28 Domain Admin : > In the US, what are the SWAG options? I will need stickers and T-Shirts for > an event in December 2008. > > Past threads have said to have shirts produced locally (whoever has the "I > 'heart' Fedora" T-Shirts please email me off list so I can get several of > them?) > > But stickers and other promotionals? > > Is there an existing wiki page with a basic "how to" for swag items? > > ANyone know where to get branded USB flash keys? They would need to be 2GB > flash drives. > > -- > Kam Salisbury > http://kamsalisbury.com > GPG key: FAF1751E > > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > > From danishka at gmail.com Wed Oct 29 03:57:35 2008 From: danishka at gmail.com (Danishka Navin) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 09:27:35 +0530 Subject: [Ambassadors] FOSS event In-Reply-To: References: <49073B2F.4020607@gmail.com> Message-ID: Harish, On Wed, Oct 29, 2008 at 4:22 AM, Harish Pillay wrote: > Danishka - > > > Not Specifically for the F10 release. > > > > But at the moment I am running 57 workshop for local authorities in > Western > > Province of the Sri Lanka. > > This is continuing till end of this year. > > It was about introducing Localization + FOSS. > > So, I am distributing both F9 and F10 beta. > > > > However, I'm planning to make a sound about F10. :) > > Good. Do update the wiki page when you do plan on something. Sure! -- Danishka Navin http://danishkanavin.blogspot.com (use Sinhala Unicode fonts) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ianweller at gmail.com Wed Oct 29 04:25:49 2008 From: ianweller at gmail.com (Ian Weller) Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 23:25:49 -0500 Subject: [Ambassadors] Re: store SIG? In-Reply-To: <4906C91D.1000504@fedoraproject.org> References: <20081027035540.GA30983@gmail.com> <5dbd2bad2564cd3c99910c564ca4e328.squirrel@webmail.sandro-mathys.ch> <10e0a9b00810271135v2c27373oc0dd6ad3bdb41cb2@mail.gmail.com> <4906C91D.1000504@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <20081029042538.GA4619@gmail.com> On Tue, Oct 28, 2008 at 09:11:09AM +0100, Sandro red Mathys wrote: > I'd also like to ask spreadshirt if it's possible to have 2 or 3 stores > (NA, EU, maybe FR) that have the same items and pricing and only pay the > annual fee once...somehow. 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Paul Frields joined us to lay a foundation so we better understand the FUDcon planning process and its expectations. This was immensely helpful. Thanks Paul. We will continue to develop potential sites and keep Paul and Max Spevack informed. Additionally we discussed making sure there was a good Fedora presence at the inaugural Southeast LinuxFest (SELF) next summer. This could be a potential FUDcon site or possibly a site for FADNA or something else. We are going to begin thinking about how and where to hold future FADNA events now. * Task List Items Event Box Update from Clint Savage. We have received tremendously positive feedback about the first Event Box and Clint has done some major updates to the wiki about the Event Boxes. A log book was suggested to be included or perhaps on the wiki for reporting about the adventures of each box. Clint also updated us on the development of a transfer policy to help these boxes travel smoothly from event to event. Q3 funding and media acquisition was touched on. We will follow up on these with the relevant parties to get this all straight in the next week or two. * Open Floor Clint raised the question of how to more effectively process requests from ambassadors for various sorts of swag. Some discussion followed and Clint will work on setting up something on the wiki we can refer folks to for more information. Clint also pointed out the new columns on Fedora Events page which will support requesting and reporting about the event boxes in the future. David Nalley raised the issue of further dividing the US so that the workload/responsibilities can be spread out more. Some discussion of this followed and we will revisit this subject at a future meeting. I would again like to thank all the participants, especially the new ambassadors joining us for the first time tonight. From inode0 at gmail.com Wed Oct 29 05:59:57 2008 From: inode0 at gmail.com (inode0) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 00:59:57 -0500 Subject: [Ambassadors] FAMNA Meeting Minutes from 2008-10-29 Message-ID: (08:00:14 PM) ***inode0 looks around (08:00:27 PM) ***ke4qqq-afk looks at inode0 looking around (08:00:32 PM) ke4qqq-afk is now known as ke4qqq (08:01:46 PM) inode0: is this the KDE SIG meeting? (08:02:07 PM) ke4qqq has changed the topic to: FAMNA meeting (08:02:58 PM) inode0: Welcome everyone, roll call please (08:03:10 PM) ***quaid [[User:Kwade|quaid]] (08:03:11 PM) ***ke4qqq is here (08:03:19 PM) inode0: agenda (short this week) at https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/Meetings/2008-10-29 (08:03:23 PM) ***lajjr is here (08:03:25 PM) ***DemonJester here (08:03:31 PM) KarlieRobinson: Karlie (08:03:34 PM) ***VileGent [[user:jbwillia]] (08:04:32 PM) inode0: If anyone has read Matt's email please do now (08:04:39 PM) inode0: https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-ambassadors-list/2008-October/msg00181.html (08:05:11 PM) inode0: Do we have any Canadian ambassadors present tonight? (08:06:10 PM) ***herlo is here as Clint Savage (08:06:26 PM) ***tardboy211 is here as Matthew Garrison (08:06:53 PM) inode0: opportunities like the Linux Symposium don't come along every day, what shall we do with this one? (08:07:03 PM) herlo: inode0: when is it? (08:07:14 PM) herlo: oh, a long time off (08:07:14 PM) inode0: Montreal 13-17 July 2009 (08:07:26 PM) DemonJester: If noone steps up I will try to take it. But I would rather one of the Canadian guys handle it if possible (08:07:28 PM) ke4qqq: fudcon? (08:07:42 PM) inode0: it isn't good timing for a FUDcon (08:07:56 PM) ***herlo thinks FUDCon would be June ish (08:08:29 PM) inode0: how should we determine if there is developer and/or user interest in one a month after FUDcon? (08:08:44 PM) VileGent: f11 fudcon is 2 months after the f10 release (08:08:47 PM) inode0: or should we just go with it and drum up interest? (08:08:59 PM) ke4qqq: I think it will be the latter (08:09:10 PM) VileGent: so july would be 2 months after f11 (08:09:18 PM) herlo: VileGent: that's the general rule, but it probably won't be that way since it's been more than that and less than that (08:09:26 PM) herlo: recently (08:09:36 PM) DemonJester: rismal is in Montreal has anyone contacted him directly about the event? (08:09:40 PM) inode0: and this one is especially late I think (08:09:46 PM) KarlieRobinson: who says it has to be a fudcon - can't we do something else? (08:09:46 PM) herlo: rismal? (08:09:57 PM) herlo: DemonJester: rislam? (08:09:59 PM) inode0: KarlieRobinson: I was thinking something else (08:10:17 PM) VileGent: yeah but it will be time frame for a fudcon (08:10:23 PM) herlo: yup (08:10:28 PM) inode0: FUDcon is next on the agenda and we should merge it into the discussion now (08:10:29 PM) DemonJester: yeah thats what I meant ;-) (08:10:50 PM) inode0: we should propose a site for the summer FUDcon (08:11:05 PM) ke4qqq: lets get an action item for montrial first (08:11:08 PM) ke4qqq: montreal (08:11:19 PM) inode0: some of us are thinking outside of the east coast is possible this year (08:11:42 PM) inode0: ke4qqq: I just want to be sure we don't want to have FUDcon in Montreal (08:11:53 PM) herlo: we should email rislam and get him to round it up IMO (08:11:57 PM) inode0: because that is possible too (08:12:07 PM) ***herlo doesn't want a FUDCon in Montreal -1 (08:12:21 PM) ke4qqq: well Fudcon brings lots of sponsorship money (08:12:26 PM) inode0: we have rislam and another Montreal ambassador, I will contact both (08:12:31 PM) ke4qqq: and DEMANDS someone on the ground (08:12:40 PM) ke4qqq: that has the time and willingness to tackle it (08:12:41 PM) herlo: there are three on the Regions page (08:12:44 PM) DemonJester: If there are no takers by Dec 1 I will take it, but it is 7 hours for me (08:13:13 PM) inode0: there is an advantage to Montreal in that it is providing facilities and possible transportation from Boston (08:13:17 PM) quaid: remember that FUDCon is not a limited thing; we *can* have extra ones in a yar (08:13:39 PM) herlo: yeah, but RH seems to fund them and it's unlikely we'd have more than 2 a year (08:13:57 PM) quaid: this sounds much cheaper, though (08:14:06 PM) herlo: in what sense? (08:14:08 PM) quaid: I'm unclear if the LS space is free or low cost (08:14:12 PM) quaid: to us. (08:14:36 PM) ke4qqq: sounded like it was free to us - but regardless - doesn't travel make up the bulk of fudcon expenses (08:14:42 PM) ***inode0 had the impression it was free (08:14:55 PM) herlo: flying all of the NA Fedora ppl across the border isn't going to be cheap. The time to get passports (because they will be required by then) and what not is going to be painful (08:14:56 PM) quaid: yes, it does, but how much travel does RHT actually pay for? (08:15:02 PM) inode0: travel is the biggest FUDcon expense I believe (08:15:18 PM) quaid: I thought the majority of RHT budget was space and amenities (08:15:35 PM) ke4qqq: only because it's been coloed with the summit (08:15:35 PM) inode0: the last FUDcon had a budget around $20k I think (08:15:55 PM) quaid: ke4qqq: right, we rode on other people's travel budget (08:15:57 PM) herlo: yeah, as I understood it, the last FUDCon got the space for nothing or nearly nothing (08:16:36 PM) inode0: I propose we briefly discuss other FUDcon locations so we can weigh the options (08:16:39 PM) herlo: the one at Boston University anyway. The Hackfest may have cost something (08:16:59 PM) VileGent: i would rather see fudcon in columbus ohio (08:17:15 PM) herlo: well, There's Indianapolis, Salt Lake City, Dallas, and one other IIRC discussed previously (08:17:19 PM) VileGent: or somewhere central zone (08:17:37 PM) inode0: that is my list (08:17:42 PM) inode0: and Chicago (08:17:45 PM) herlo: ahh, yes (08:18:29 PM) inode0: assuming we can arrange university or other nearly free facilities for the event are there thoughts about those? (08:18:34 PM) DemonJester: is this targeted mainly for developers or users? (08:18:48 PM) ke4qqq: ok - so to get back to Montreal - I'll email rislam and ask him to follow up and for now consider it a sep. item - we may call it a fudcon but as of right now we it won't be f12 fudcon - though that's subject to change (08:19:00 PM) herlo: in SLC, I can arrange something at several schools (08:19:14 PM) ke4qqq: inode0: so Clemson didn't make the cut? (08:19:39 PM) inode0: ke4qqq: I volunteered to contact him but I did not have the impression that we are dismissing it yet?! (08:19:49 PM) quaid: stickster: ping (08:19:51 PM) ***ke4qqq steps back (08:20:00 PM) ke4qqq: ok - sorry I missed that task (08:20:02 PM) stickster: pong (08:20:04 PM) ke4qqq: I'll defer to you (08:20:05 PM) ***stickster only sorta here (08:20:09 PM) quaid: stickster: tell me about FUDCon ... (08:20:10 PM) quaid: in this way (08:20:14 PM) inode0: I would be pleased to consider Clemson for FUDcon but no one brought it up before. (08:20:27 PM) quaid: stickster: discussing the fwd from mdomsch about colo something at LS in Montreal next July (08:20:45 PM) quaid: is the FUDCon 'brand thing' that RHT sponsors it? (08:20:48 PM) ke4qqq: Clemson would be about the right timeframe for F12 Fudcon - but it's on the east coast - and very south - which makes it very warm. (08:21:00 PM) stickster: quaid: I think it should be that RHT pays the bill for FUDCon (08:21:13 PM) stickster: quaid: Where it occurs is up to the people who pay for it (08:21:14 PM) quaid: stickster: thus meaning if we want to do extra stuff/locations (08:21:16 PM) stickster: quaid: And having said that (08:21:22 PM) quaid: stickster: it needs another name? (08:21:47 PM) stickster: quaid: I am sure that at least community architecture will be happy to locate FUDCon anywhere we can have an effective conference (08:22:12 PM) stickster: Be aware that a lot of people "want" FUDCon in specific places (08:22:14 PM) inode0: stickster: does that mean we should drop it or proceed with trying to propose a site for F12? (08:22:29 PM) stickster: inode0: I think it's a great conversation to start having now (08:22:44 PM) stickster: Probably on f-amb-l or f-mktg-l (08:22:48 PM) ***herlo believes the Ambassadors is a good place to *organize* a conversation about having FUDCon somewhere specific... (08:23:10 PM) stickster: Toronto already threw their name in the hat as well (08:23:16 PM) stickster: prior to mdomsch's note (08:23:20 PM) herlo: giving people an opportunity to vote/nominate a place from some sort of an approved list ?? (08:23:45 PM) herlo: the only question I can see is, where does the *approved* list come from stickster StillBob stiv2k (08:24:02 PM) herlo: what do we think of this idea? (08:24:07 PM) inode0: stickster: can you give us any sort of timeframe for when RH would want to decide this for F12? (08:24:25 PM) stickster: inode0: We'd need to have it decided by around February 1 (08:24:45 PM) stickster: Look, here's the scoop (08:24:55 PM) stickster: Red Hat's fiscal year runs March 1 - Feb. 28/29 (08:25:33 PM) stickster: Any money that departments want to spend have to be in the budget requests substantially before that time. (08:25:40 PM) stickster: Maybe as early as January (08:26:07 PM) stickster: I wasn't @RHT in January 2008 so I can't be sure of when that process started, but I'm certain it didn't start as late as the middle of February. (08:26:10 PM) stickster: Now (08:26:22 PM) stickster: To answer the question of "Can we have FUDCon at " (08:26:42 PM) stickster: We need to know the answer to the question of "Who needs to attend FUDCon for it to be an effective use of Red Hat funds?" (08:27:04 PM) stickster: If money were no object, we could fly everyone to Hawaii and be done with it :-) (08:27:14 PM) ***herlo is ready for that :) (08:27:49 PM) stickster: which is why the decision of "where" needs to be made in conjunction with "who" (08:27:53 PM) herlo: but seriously, please define 'effective use' in that context. (08:28:18 PM) inode0: this always seems to come back around to somewhere close to the east coast in my mind (08:28:37 PM) stickster: It doesn't have to, as long as we can secure sufficient funds ahead of time (08:28:41 PM) VileGent: inode or central (08:28:44 PM) inode0: because the rest of the developer community is so scattered (08:28:58 PM) stickster: I think what's confusing people -- (08:29:09 PM) stickster: is that this year, the even-numbered FUDCon was held (again) in Boston (08:29:15 PM) stickster: Because that's where the Summit happened. (08:29:31 PM) stickster: Max's team had planned to travel with the Summit for even-numbered FUDCons (08:29:43 PM) stickster: and the odd-numbered FUDCon (winter) would be held in Boston (08:29:55 PM) VileGent: brrrrr (08:29:58 PM) stickster: Having the Summit in Boston makes the plan seem to have fizzled, when actually we were holding to it. (08:30:34 PM) stickster: This coming year we are leaning *away* from doing FUDCon at the Summit again. (08:30:46 PM) stickster: The ROI was not phenomenal. (08:30:56 PM) stickster: But we can hold it away from the East Coast (08:31:07 PM) stickster: As long as we are planning in a financially responsible way (08:31:21 PM) herlo: stickster: ? (08:31:23 PM) stickster: i.e. If someone suggests San Francisco, I'd probably say that's going to be very expensive (08:31:29 PM) inode0: ok, let's work to get a site or two in line to propose before the end of the year as a goal (08:31:36 PM) stickster: As opposed to, say, Columbus (08:31:38 PM) stickster: Or SLC (08:31:41 PM) stickster: Or Austin (08:31:45 PM) stickster: Or... (08:31:53 PM) stickster: Does this make sense? (08:32:03 PM) VileGent: yep (08:32:06 PM) inode0: Indianapolis, Clemson, and Chicago are the others mentioned at this point (08:32:15 PM) stickster: Wherever we put FUDCon, we have to make a substantial number of community members and RH people appear there ("as if by magic!") (08:32:19 PM) stickster: And that costs money. (08:32:40 PM) stickster: So to answer the question of "where" we need to also establish "who" (08:32:47 PM) herlo: So my question pertains to the 'effective use' definition again, and sorry for keeping it here. But to me, there are two sets of people supposed to be involved in FUDCons, Users (aka contributors of non-development functionality) and developers. (08:32:49 PM) stickster: herlo: Does this make more sense now? (08:33:15 PM) herlo: my question is , would Users be an effective use of RHT's funds? (08:33:21 PM) herlo: and if not, why not (08:33:23 PM) ***ke4qqq has a ? after herlo is done (08:33:45 PM) stickster: I think having FUDCon at a place where there is a large local user base is a good thing. (08:33:54 PM) herlo: what I'm driving at is I'd like to see one FUDCon focus on the dev side (probably the one in Boston) and the other focus on what the User's can provide... (08:33:55 PM) stickster: Wait (08:34:18 PM) stickster: herlo: sorry, I think you're confusing the meaning of users. (08:34:29 PM) herlo: well, I'm trying to be broad (08:34:33 PM) stickster: herlo: It's confusing. (08:34:40 PM) herlo: yes, it is (08:34:52 PM) stickster: herlo: Developers, to me, includes contributors of code and collateral. (08:35:11 PM) stickster: We want to attract users who are local to wherever FUDCon is being held. (08:35:25 PM) stickster: where "users" == potential but not current contributors. (08:35:31 PM) herlo: okay, fair enough, and I can see the need for actual 'Users'. I'd like to see them grow... stickster StillBob stiv2k (08:35:51 PM) stickster: yes, but flying users to a conference is not, IMHO, a very effective use of funds. (08:35:55 PM) herlo: so a focus more toward them would be *really* good. Either way you slice it. (08:35:59 PM) herlo: agreed. (08:36:03 PM) tardboy211: stickster: for that, I think you have to look at where most technology based business is (08:36:04 PM) stickster: Instead, we should try and locate the conference in a place that will attract them. (08:36:36 PM) VileGent: any chance for having it in raliegh again? (08:36:39 PM) inode0: tardboy211: or where they might be anyway at another event (08:36:53 PM) stickster: I think we should start thinking of FUDCon as being not just the two events we typically run. (08:37:00 PM) herlo: right, that I can see. For me, it's really about making it more available... (08:37:12 PM) herlo: to everyone, not just us contributors. (08:37:15 PM) stickster: i.e. the developer-centric jumpstarts for the next release (08:37:19 PM) ke4qqq: so how does RH determine ROI?? Is it based on # of devs present per dollar? or the results of a given fudcon, or something else entirely? (08:37:31 PM) herlo: stickster: thank you (08:37:34 PM) tardboy211 is now known as tardboy21 (08:37:42 PM) stickster: A FUDCon can be held anywhere there are sufficient people to organize it (08:37:48 PM) stickster: And the funding would depend on the kind of event (08:38:33 PM) stickster: In other words, we can plan FUDCon like other events. (08:38:44 PM) inode0: stickster: do you and/or RH have a preference for a window FUDcon should ideally fall in? thinking for F12 would July be late? (08:39:03 PM) stickster: inode0: Maybe not, depending on how the release schedule for F11 goes (08:39:29 PM) stickster: There's not a "preference," just something that makes sense given the release schedule (08:39:51 PM) inode0: hard to time that so far in advance (08:40:05 PM) stickster: ke4qqq: It's a fuzzy quantity, but a lot of it has to do with the work that gets started, finished, or furthered at FUDCon (08:41:24 PM) quaid: which is why the ability to get active contributors there is key. (08:41:33 PM) inode0: stickster: are you comfortable with us forging ahead considering places to suggest and we'll keep you informed of our progress and get your feedback as you think we need it? (08:41:34 PM) stickster: inode0: the schedule discussions are ongoing but we'd expect to have it down before F10 releases (08:41:56 PM) stickster: inode0: which means that there should still be plenty of time to discuss locations for FUDCon F12 (08:42:09 PM) stickster: inode0: as well as ideas for furthering FUDCon beyond "FUDCon Fn" (08:42:33 PM) stickster: inode0: To answer your last question, yes, absolutely (08:42:51 PM) inode0: wonderful, thanks for your time tonight - it has been very helpful (08:43:01 PM) stickster: inode0: Keep in mind that FUDCon F12 this coming summer will be paid for out of Max's budget, not my dept's (08:43:20 PM) stickster: inode0: So you'll want to keep both of us informed (08:43:24 PM) inode0: will do (08:44:00 PM) inode0: Shall we move on? (08:44:05 PM) stickster: One last point (08:44:07 PM) herlo: +1 (08:44:21 PM) quaid: thx, I should have been able to say all that, but it is still a bit confusing to me :) (08:44:24 PM) ***inode0 waits for last point (08:44:32 PM) stickster: We have multiple FUDCons in Europe already, some as mini-FUDCons colocated with some other big event (08:45:34 PM) stickster: Doing similarly here might allow for more exposure to users and a very cost-effective way to increase Fedora awareness (08:45:51 PM) inode0: and if somewhere we'd like doesn't pan out we might try that too (08:46:11 PM) inode0: or even if it does pan out (08:46:15 PM) stickster: And if such an event were already being attended by a bunch of local ambassadors, there's not a need to fly a huge bunch of people around to have a very successful event (08:46:50 PM) stickster: The FADNA was really like a mini-mini-FUDCon (08:46:56 PM) stickster: except focused on one topic (08:47:14 PM) inode0: right, and that could have been easily expanded some (08:47:22 PM) stickster: So having regional ambassador coverage really opens up a lot of doors (08:47:40 PM) stickster: Strategically there's a lot of value in making sure we have good cross-country ambassadorial coverage. (08:48:06 PM) stickster: That way we can make mini-FUDCons happen at extremely low, maybe zero, cost -- more often. (08:48:19 PM) stickster: (08:48:37 PM) inode0: thanks a bunch for you time and insight tonight stickster (08:48:49 PM) stickster: Thanks guys for your time (08:48:53 PM) DemonJester: yes thank you stickster (08:49:09 PM) inode0: next on the agenda, and related, are SELF and FADNA (08:49:38 PM) inode0: SELF is a conference next June I'd really like to see us help get off to a great start (08:50:11 PM) inode0: I'm partial to the idea of having FADNA meet at a regional conference and SELF is perfect in that regard (08:50:19 PM) DemonJester: where is it at? (08:50:25 PM) inode0: But SELF is also a nice candidate for FUDcon too (08:50:33 PM) inode0: Clemson, SC (08:50:43 PM) DemonJester: thx :) (08:50:46 PM) inode0: mid June (08:50:47 PM) herlo: why? seems FUDCon would be around then, I think we should stick to spring/fall FADNAs... Just an opinion (08:51:36 PM) inode0: well, I wasn't concerned with the timing so much as promoting regional conferences and getting more of us to them (08:52:07 PM) herlo: I'm not opposed to making an effort to get SELF off the ground, just that I think a FADNA should happen again before then :) (08:52:10 PM) inode0: I'm just as open to having FADNA at utosc to be honest, and to having FUDcon in SLC (08:52:36 PM) herlo: SLC would be great, but that's not necessary (08:53:10 PM) inode0: I just wanted to get the discussion started and am completely open to FADNA ideas (hadn't really heard any since OLF) (08:53:12 PM) herlo: I fly a lot as it is, and planning one major get together each year would probably be too much for me to be honest, maybe once every other year or something. (08:54:22 PM) herlo: anyone else have an opinion? (08:54:25 PM) inode0: What do others think of Clemson/SELF as a potential FUDcon site? (08:54:33 PM) ke4qqq: well I like it (08:54:36 PM) ke4qqq: but I am biased (08:54:45 PM) ke4qqq: as a 10min drive is better than 10 hours (08:54:53 PM) inode0: ke4qqq: and you think we could get some good cooperation from the local organizers? (08:55:02 PM) DemonJester: I think it would work for me (08:55:07 PM) ke4qqq: what do you want from the organizers? (08:55:11 PM) herlo: lol, yeah. Clemson's on the East coast right? Didn't we just get through saying we didn't want one on the East coast :) (08:55:33 PM) ke4qqq: herlo: yes yes we did (08:55:41 PM) inode0: yes, but not quite on the coast and it is a timing thing (08:55:54 PM) herlo: I was *mostly* kidding (08:55:56 PM) inode0: if it is a good site it is a good site :) (08:56:07 PM) VileGent: if we can get the infrastructure we need (08:56:26 PM) VileGent: cheap and what is the closest major airport (08:56:36 PM) ke4qqq: define major (08:56:42 PM) inode0: yes, I mean can we get facilities for the hackfest days? barcamp at Clemson itself? that sort of cooperation ... (08:56:55 PM) ke4qqq: infrastructure is no big deal - we have access to all the classrooms and space we want (08:57:05 PM) inode0: for 3 days? (08:57:23 PM) VileGent: a major hub (08:57:25 PM) ke4qqq: sure, I think we could pull that off (08:57:33 PM) ke4qqq: ATL and CLT are closest major hubs (08:57:40 PM) ke4qqq: both ~2 hours away :( (08:58:02 PM) ke4qqq: GSP is an international airport - but certainly not a major hub (08:58:14 PM) ke4qqq: more like Cincinnati's airport in size (08:58:27 PM) VileGent: where is gsp (08:58:39 PM) ke4qqq: GSP is ~30 minutes away from clemson (08:59:14 PM) VileGent: ok does the local hotels have free or low cost shuttles to the airport (08:59:30 PM) VileGent: or some type of mass transit (08:59:55 PM) KarlieRobinson: Sorry guys, but I've got to go (08:59:59 PM) KarlieRobinson: beauty sleep and all (09:00:01 PM) inode0: we aren't going to decide anything tonight and we are an hour into this now (09:00:07 PM) inode0: goodnight KarlieRobinson (09:00:19 PM) VileGent: nite karlie good to see you again (09:00:32 PM) KarlieRobinson: bye (09:00:36 PM) ke4qqq: VileGent: hotels do - and Clemson is going to operate busses for us as well (09:00:39 PM) ke4qqq: night Karlie (09:00:49 PM) inode0: shall I schedule this for a slot next week or the week after where we can discuss options in more detail? (09:01:11 PM) VileGent: ke4qqq, i am trying to bring up issues to think about (09:01:27 PM) inode0: get a feel for the advantages and disadvantage of several possible locations (09:01:53 PM) herlo: inode0: yes, I think so (09:01:58 PM) tardboy21: is the the best medium for the discussion to be ongoing? (09:02:14 PM) inode0: and we can all start giving some thought to when a good time for the next FADNA might be as well (09:02:33 PM) herlo: yes, for sure (09:02:58 PM) inode0: tardboy21: I expect we will discuss things during the week in fedora-ambassadors and perhaps on f-a-l as well (09:03:15 PM) tardboy21: ok (09:03:18 PM) inode0: informally (09:03:23 PM) inode0: bounce around ideas (09:03:27 PM) inode0: pie in the sky (09:03:44 PM) inode0: task list items (09:04:03 PM) inode0: any Event Box news to note? (09:04:06 PM) herlo: yes (09:04:24 PM) herlo: made tons of changes to the coverage, planing to blog about it this week (09:04:36 PM) herlo: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/EventBox (09:05:01 PM) VileGent: we need a log book put in the box (09:05:05 PM) herlo: also have a page specifically for the regional boxen now, only West is created, but others can follow suit. I plan to add pics there tonight (09:05:17 PM) inode0: there has been some great feedback from Event Box users so far (09:05:20 PM) herlo: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/EventBox/NA/West (09:05:42 PM) herlo: VileGent: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/EventBox/Details <-- that's kind of what I thought :) (09:06:00 PM) herlo: maybe we could put it in the box, but maybe we could put it on line :) (09:06:16 PM) VileGent: herlo, one in the boxes as well (09:06:45 PM) herlo: well, if we put it in the box, nobody will do the one online IMO (09:06:46 PM) herlo: so (09:06:58 PM) DemonJester: or it will get misplaced (09:07:07 PM) herlo: I suggest we put one in the box, with only information on how to get to the one oneline (09:07:10 PM) herlo: online even (09:08:00 PM) herlo: I'm planning on writing a simple instruction booklet that covers what's in the box and attaching it to the inner lid when it comes back around. Or if someone else wants to do that (09:08:18 PM) herlo: also, for the EventBox transfer policy, I think we've got a good structure (09:08:23 PM) ke4qqq: where is it going next? (09:08:33 PM) herlo: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FedoraEvents#North_America_Q3 (09:08:46 PM) herlo: ke4qqq: good question, nothing is scheduled until January next year (09:08:51 PM) herlo: nothing major anyway (09:09:18 PM) ke4qqq: actually GDK and I may be going to Charleston's nuke school - with 2500 people attending (09:09:25 PM) ke4qqq: but I haven't firmed up details yet (09:09:51 PM) herlo: however, we can determine the schedule of the EventBoxen each quarter about the same time the Budget is done. I really like this process, makes it easy for the Ambassadors to determine a schedule in advance (09:09:54 PM) DemonJester: Do you want it shipped to you? Andrew was asking me what he should do (09:10:24 PM) inode0: one thing I'd like to do is touch up the lingering task list items for update points?! (09:10:28 PM) herlo: having the AmbassadorKits early next year, should help ease the ad-hoc events needs for a small event (09:10:28 PM) ke4qqq: DemonJester: not yet - let me get things firmed up - so many schedules HAVE to agree - it may not happen til January (09:10:54 PM) DemonJester: ok I told him to sit on it until I got back to him. Its at the Toronto Red Hat office now (09:11:06 PM) herlo: ke4qqq: DemonJester: it's at RH in Ontario right? They have no problem holding onto it there? If not, it'd be nice to keep it there until we know for sure (09:11:23 PM) DemonJester: yep they are fine keeping it there for now (09:11:33 PM) ke4qqq: +1 (09:11:47 PM) DemonJester: I will let Andrew know that. (09:11:57 PM) herlo: inode0: so anyway, I think the EventBoxen really need to ramp up (09:12:00 PM) herlo: we need more (09:12:07 PM) ***inode0 agrees (09:12:16 PM) DemonJester: we have any funds left for q3? (09:12:20 PM) ke4qqq: I agree - East certainly needs to come online (09:12:23 PM) inode0: I want to figure out the budget issues for Q3 (09:12:32 PM) ke4qqq: DemonJester: yes - but how much is unknown - at least to me (09:12:42 PM) herlo: I am developing pages to make it easy to get it around to other events, so that should make it cheaper as we get more EventBoxen (09:12:47 PM) inode0: I really don't think the region matters (09:12:55 PM) herlo: inode0: it does (09:12:57 PM) herlo: and here's why (09:13:14 PM) herlo: if we only have to ship it within a few hundred miles, it's going to be cheaper, faster and easier to manage (09:13:29 PM) inode0: it doesn't and here is why :) (09:13:48 PM) herlo: I can get an event box from California to Utah in a day or two for the same price as I can ship it from SLC to Ohio in a week (09:13:49 PM) inode0: if central US gets the next one it will go wherever the conference are just the same :) (09:14:02 PM) herlo: huh? (09:14:29 PM) inode0: I mean if I have discretionary funds I'm happy to spend them on a box and let it travel the east coast now (09:14:34 PM) herlo: do you mean to say that if there is one in West, Central and East, it will go wherever? (09:14:53 PM) herlo: well, yeah, for now. I'm thinking a bit longer term than that, like 6 months from now (09:15:05 PM) inode0: the boxes will tend to be on the east and west coasts anyway (09:15:06 PM) herlo: in 6 months, I hope we have 3 or 4 EventBoxen (09:15:24 PM) herlo: well, the midwest one can roam a little maybe, it is pretty central (09:15:46 PM) inode0: right, so let's just try to get another box without worrying about regional issues (09:16:01 PM) ***ajaaya wonders why not Boulder or Austin (09:16:03 PM) inode0: and my funds are free for that purpose as far as I'm concerned (09:16:16 PM) herlo: I like sticksters idea of having the EventBox get stickered wherever it goes (09:16:24 PM) inode0: yes, that is excellent (09:16:26 PM) ke4qqq: at least until we get 4 - I think wests has been to 3 of the 4 different regions now (09:16:45 PM) herlo: inode0: costs can be lowered if we have more sooner (09:16:54 PM) ke4qqq: yeah I am firing off an email to max to find out what's left in q3 budget (09:17:02 PM) herlo: yes, it only hasn't been to its own region :) (09:17:11 PM) inode0: so, would someone raise their hand to ping iWolf and get to the bottom of the budget issues for Q3 this week? (09:17:13 PM) herlo: and it could have easily (09:17:24 PM) inode0: ok, max is good too (09:17:45 PM) herlo: well, we need iWolf too (09:17:58 PM) inode0: we need to learn about media decisions from famsco (09:18:02 PM) herlo: specifically for the next task (09:18:05 PM) herlo: yep (09:18:39 PM) inode0: I'll update the media task to expect an update next week then if no objections (09:19:04 PM) herlo: inode0: we need a task to bug iWolf too :) (09:19:22 PM) inode0: ok, herlo volunteered to bug iWolf (09:19:28 PM) herlo: that's not what I said (09:19:40 PM) inode0: that is what I said but you can overrule me (09:19:42 PM) ***herlo won't be able to do that until next week and that will be too late (09:19:48 PM) herlo: sorry (09:20:01 PM) ke4qqq: herlo: I just fired off an email about media (09:20:03 PM) inode0: ok, someone will bug iWolf (09:20:16 PM) ke4qqq: so I'll make sure it gets cronjobbed and repeated til we get a response (09:20:21 PM) herlo: lol (09:20:41 PM) inode0: leaving tasks now unless there is more to discuss ... (09:20:46 PM) herlo: I've got a couple other things to add for new business when we're there (09:20:55 PM) inode0: open floor, go (09:21:27 PM) herlo: one is, I got this email here about where to get swag and stuff (09:21:42 PM) herlo: https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-ambassadors-list/2008-October/msg00223.html (09:21:45 PM) ***ke4qqq just saw that (09:21:48 PM) herlo: now, I know how to answer it (09:21:48 PM) inode0: I read it too (09:22:04 PM) ***DemonJester read it as well (09:22:11 PM) ***inode0 still hasn't received anything from Alex (09:22:16 PM) herlo: but what I'm going to say is that I'd like to have a resource somewhere on the wiki or somehting so that people who ask that question can be pointed somewhere (09:22:41 PM) herlo: so we don't have to keep answering qeuestions like these (09:22:54 PM) ke4qqq: what would you say in such a document? (09:22:57 PM) herlo: because they will keep coming up. and while it's important we address them (09:23:10 PM) herlo: ke4qqq: FAQs (09:23:18 PM) herlo: or something similar (09:23:30 PM) herlo: I like canned responses because I'm lazy (09:23:34 PM) ke4qqq: me too (09:23:38 PM) ke4qqq: on both counts (09:23:52 PM) ke4qqq: there is already one of those up though (09:23:58 PM) DemonJester: +1 (09:24:07 PM) herlo: It reminds me of what fedora-websites needs to do when people email about buying domains :) (09:24:16 PM) herlo: we have common responses to give (09:24:18 PM) herlo: ke4qqq: where? (09:24:27 PM) inode0: we have something of a problem when the canned response says ask someone who doesn't have anything though (09:24:47 PM) herlo: huh? (09:25:05 PM) inode0: the normal answer is ask your regional ambassador (09:25:07 PM) herlo: I'm sorry inode0 , I'm just missing your points tonight, forgive me (09:25:33 PM) ke4qqq: there used to be anyway (09:25:36 PM) DemonJester: I will assist Kam with the answer and getting shirts locally. (09:25:36 PM) herlo: well, I'd like that to stop. I think we're all empowered (09:25:57 PM) DemonJester: if that is the route taken. (09:26:01 PM) herlo: and having a simple 'heres some suggestions' page, might be a good idea (09:26:09 PM) herlo: DemonJester: I see nothing wrong with that (09:26:33 PM) herlo: going to the Regional Ambassador should be a last resort on that page (09:26:55 PM) ke4qqq: inode0: what were you expecting from alex? (09:26:55 PM) inode0: what is the first resort to say a media request? (09:27:00 PM) inode0: media (09:27:11 PM) herlo: I'll be happy to try to devise this sort of page, but I just want some input (09:27:17 PM) herlo: inode0: right now, I don't know actually (09:27:22 PM) herlo: and that's the problem (09:27:43 PM) DemonJester: shouldnt it be the regionals contacting alex for media though? (09:27:44 PM) herlo: it could be, Fill out this form, and we'll get back to you in 3-9 years, but I've never seen such a form (09:28:03 PM) herlo: DemonJester: probably, but that's only one example (09:28:32 PM) ke4qqq: herlo: it used to be petition FAMSCO at least a month in advance (09:28:38 PM) DemonJester: ok I misunderstood what was being said then sorry. (09:28:49 PM) herlo: I'm thinking wider range than just t-shirts and media. inode0 is trying to nail it too a specific function (09:28:50 PM) ke4qqq: DemonJester: that's how it is now (09:29:02 PM) ke4qqq: but it won't be in a couple of months (09:29:29 PM) DemonJester: why not, wont the media be handled directly by the regionals at that point? (09:29:47 PM) ke4qqq: it will be, but alex won't be in the picture (09:29:56 PM) ke4qqq: since we (hopefully) are handling media (09:30:15 PM) herlo: right, so what I am asying is that we are going to be dictating a bit of policy in the near future (09:30:18 PM) DemonJester: +1 (09:30:42 PM) ke4qqq: ohhh good point (09:30:44 PM) herlo: and we need to come up with a simple process for handling such requests. Many of them are already being handled (09:30:49 PM) ***inode0 would expect ambassador kits to alleviate some of this in the future as well (09:30:55 PM) herlo: true (09:30:57 PM) ke4qqq: true (09:31:04 PM) herlo: thing is, we need to say that somewhere (09:31:13 PM) ke4qqq: so - FAMSCO used to have a probationary period before you could get resources will we? (09:31:19 PM) ke4qqq: are you wanting that input now? (09:31:22 PM) herlo: because right now, people ask on the mailing list and we have to answer with a best guess. (09:31:36 PM) herlo: no, I'm wanting to start the discussion right now (09:31:43 PM) herlo: so we can be ready in a few months time (09:31:55 PM) herlo: that is all (09:32:04 PM) ke4qqq: k (09:32:05 PM) inode0: you had a second issue? (09:32:10 PM) herlo: I will start building tools for us to use (09:32:19 PM) herlo: on the wiki to begin, then elsewhere possibly (09:32:23 PM) herlo: later on (09:32:53 PM) inode0: herlo: ? (09:32:55 PM) herlo: the other one, I think we kind of addressed already but (09:33:16 PM) ***ke4qqq has one too (09:33:28 PM) herlo: I just wanted to point out quickly that we now have more columns on the FedoraEvents page for Q3 (09:33:54 PM) herlo: we will want to put in a policy for requesting the EventBox and blog about that and the need for reports on the FedoraEvents Page too (09:33:54 PM) inode0: Event Box column! (09:33:58 PM) herlo: that is all (09:34:02 PM) ke4qqq: ! (09:34:05 PM) herlo: yep (09:34:09 PM) inode0: ke4qqq: (09:34:45 PM) herlo: inode0: click the link at the top of the column and it will be explained to you (09:34:48 PM) ke4qqq: so there's been talk of splitting the US up because we have so many people and divide that responsibility/burden a bit.....do we want to talk more about that or just start the process (09:35:46 PM) herlo: I think we should talk next week specifically about that (09:35:57 PM) ke4qqq: ok - well I have now seeded that conversation (09:36:09 PM) herlo: add it to the task list plz :) (09:36:11 PM) ke4qqq: so folks - be thinking about that, particularly if you are in the east (09:36:16 PM) inode0: this is related to pcalarco's request? (09:36:26 PM) herlo: pcalarco had a request? (09:36:31 PM) ke4qqq: hmmmm I don't think so - what is pcalarcos request (09:36:31 PM) ***herlo wants to know what it was (09:37:07 PM) inode0: he requested that his state organize its own structure (09:37:36 PM) inode0: that maybe didn't come out quite right (09:37:42 PM) ***ke4qqq is all for it - tell him to organize away - most states don't have enough structure or people for that. (09:37:53 PM) inode0: have a state ambassador leader (09:38:04 PM) ***inode0 is all for it too (09:38:34 PM) inode0: does that fit into what you are talking about, or do you want northeast and southeast or something? (09:38:41 PM) herlo: oh, well yeah, that's definitely something we should do (09:38:56 PM) herlo: but that's a much *longer* term solution (09:39:12 PM) herlo: state/city ambassadors would be great (09:39:12 PM) ***ke4qqq isn't opposed to starting it now - IF the people are present. (09:39:25 PM) herlo: sure, but what I'm driving at is that it has to grow over time (09:39:33 PM) ***ke4qqq doesn't want to be SC state ambassador - it's pointless to direct myself. (09:39:38 PM) herlo: can't happen in every state/major city right away (09:39:44 PM) herlo: lol (09:39:57 PM) DemonJester: why not ;-) (09:40:09 PM) herlo: DemonJester: is that directed at me or ke4qqq ?? (09:40:14 PM) inode0: ke4qqq: can you amplify a tiny bit on what you are talking about? (09:40:27 PM) DemonJester: you herlo (09:40:52 PM) ke4qqq: so iirc, in pcalarco's case there are 5 or so ambassadors who are extremely (09:41:14 PM) ke4qqq: it makes sense to coordinate them for greater effectiveness (09:41:26 PM) herlo: DemonJester: because not every city/state has an ambassador existing/willing/able to make that happen today. That is one of our goals, however. (09:41:32 PM) ke4qqq: and reduce load on upstream (09:41:38 PM) ke4qqq: regional ambassador (09:41:47 PM) ke4qqq: ie, instead of dealing with 5 he only deals with 1 (09:41:57 PM) inode0: right (09:42:40 PM) herlo: +1 (09:43:21 PM) ke4qqq: so what I'd propose is that we set a minimum number of ambassadors per state before we want a state to org. (09:43:28 PM) ke4qqq: to get ahead of that issue (09:43:34 PM) herlo: ke4qqq: what about major cities? (09:43:42 PM) herlo: though I agree (09:43:57 PM) ke4qqq: same thing there perhaps as a subset of states (09:44:15 PM) ***ke4qqq doesn't think that's a problem ATM except in RTP and Beantown (09:44:17 PM) herlo: the way I kind of see it is that a major city is just like a state (09:44:29 PM) ke4qqq: so do we want to avoid 'state' (09:44:33 PM) ***inode0 honestly would be happy if the first ambassador from a state took that initiative (09:44:35 PM) herlo: no (09:44:51 PM) ke4qqq: inode0: no - they may not all want it (09:45:00 PM) inode0: no one is forcing them (09:45:14 PM) ke4qqq: sorry - I see 'be happy' now (09:45:18 PM) herlo: What I mean is, if the state has 5 and the major city within that same state also has 5, then both should /could exist together (09:45:55 PM) herlo: my thinking is that some folks in the city might not be able / willing to travel to the sticks and vice versa (09:45:58 PM) ke4qqq: are the two 5's unique? (09:46:28 PM) herlo: uh, the number isn't really important, but the people are probably different folks, yes (09:46:44 PM) ke4qqq: that's what I mean (09:46:58 PM) ke4qqq: two sets of 5 (09:47:25 PM) herlo: the point I make is that city events and state events can be separate, though not a requirement. Just makes it easier to know who to contact (09:48:03 PM) inode0: I'd like to defer worrying about 5 ambassadors in a city for later. (09:48:33 PM) herlo: I don't think it matters which happens first (09:48:55 PM) inode0: And I'd like to understand in general what ke4qqq is thinking in the bigger picture, since he brought this up without the context of Indiana (09:49:10 PM) ke4qqq: wow (09:49:12 PM) herlo: just that it might not be a state that's represented if all the ambassadors are unwilling/unable to get to events outsides the city which they live (09:49:52 PM) herlo: ke4qqq: ? (09:49:57 PM) ***ke4qqq suggests that herlo and inode0 go read the budget email from Max (09:50:28 PM) ke4qqq: we have three weeks to burn that (09:50:40 PM) ***herlo thinks of things to buy (09:52:07 PM) inode0: well, ke4qqq, anything further on organization? (09:52:12 PM) ke4qqq: none (09:52:15 PM) ke4qqq: one other task for herlp (09:52:18 PM) ke4qqq: herlo (09:52:24 PM) herlo: that is? (09:52:33 PM) ke4qqq: can you/did you find out if net 30 was possible with media? (09:52:41 PM) ke4qqq: or is it due up front? (09:53:00 PM) herlo: oh, I asked (09:53:10 PM) herlo: but I don't recall the answer, I'll ask again tomorrow (09:53:32 PM) ke4qqq: ok - lets plan on conf call re media tomorrow - you are the time constrained one - so feel free to suggest (09:54:09 PM) ***ke4qqq is ready to shut up now (09:54:14 PM) inode0: ok, let's wrap it for this week shall we? (09:54:18 PM) herlo: ke4qqq: after 6pm PTD (09:54:32 PM) ke4qqq: herlo: k (09:54:52 PM) ***herlo has to run, time with the kid (09:55:35 PM) ***inode0 thinking everyone else has fallen asleep ... (09:55:38 PM) herlo: ke4qqq: though I wolud prefer after 8pm PDT, that still work for you? (09:55:54 PM) ke4qqq: herlo: I am not worried about me - I am worried about Max (09:55:56 PM) ***herlo leaves and will read up later (09:56:04 PM) ke4qqq: read your email. (09:56:14 PM) herlo: oh, good point (09:56:19 PM) herlo: k (09:57:01 PM) inode0: EOF (09:57:22 PM) inode0: thank you everyone for the shortest meeting ever :) (09:57:23 PM) herlo: thanks inode0 (09:57:27 PM) DemonJester: lol (09:57:34 PM) ke4qqq: thanks inode0 ! From bochecha at fedoraproject.org Wed Oct 29 09:24:04 2008 From: bochecha at fedoraproject.org (Mathieu Bridon (bochecha)) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 10:24:04 +0100 (CET) Subject: [Ambassadors] Working with OpenStreetMap In-Reply-To: <7f692fec0810281543v59fdf2adv21ee538154115d21@mail.gmail.com> References: <7f692fec0810281543v59fdf2adv21ee538154115d21@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <53426.VwBUX1dRCno=.1225272244.squirrel@webmail.no-log.org> Hi, > Is this something that has some potential within the Fedora Ambassadors? I'm currently developing an application using OSM, so yes, I'm totally interested in it ! However, I'm curious, what is a "mapping party" ? How is it run ? Anyway, count me in, as much as my agenda permits it :) ---------- Mathieu Bridon (bochecha) French Fedora Ambassador ---------- "They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety." ~Benjamin Franklin From lfelipebm at yahoo.com.br Wed Oct 29 10:54:44 2008 From: lfelipebm at yahoo.com.br (Luis Felipe Marzagao) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 08:54:44 -0200 Subject: [Ambassadors] About Fedora Forum In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <490840F4.3090206@yahoo.com.br> I think it?s completely outside Fedora Project. But it?s indeed referenced in the wiki: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate#Forums Randika Rathugama escreveu: > Hi Friends, > > I need to clarify something with you guys, Its about this Forum > http://fedoraforum.org/forum/ > Is this a part of http://fedoraproject.org ? or is that something out > side of the Official Fedora project? If it is, where is our forum? > > --Randika Rathumaga > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Randika (My simple Profile) > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > __________________________________________________ Fa?a liga??es para outros computadores com o novo Yahoo! Messenger http://br.beta.messenger.yahoo.com/ From rodrigomenezes12 at yahoo.com.br Wed Oct 29 11:00:00 2008 From: rodrigomenezes12 at yahoo.com.br (Rodrigo Menezes) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 09:00:00 -0200 Subject: [Ambassadors] Latinoware - Second Fedora Latin-American Conference for users and Ambassadors Message-ID: <00b601c939b5$7ed100a0$7c7301e0$@com.br> During Latinoware conference in Foz do Igua?u, Paran?, Brazil, the Fedora Project will promote the second Latin-American Conference for users and Ambassadors. Wiki below: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FedoraEvents/Latinoware/Latinoware2008 In this second edition, the Fedora team will be present with full power, showing 8 lectures and 4 small courses, with 10 Ambassadors from Brazil and 4 from Latin-America. Beside the lectures and small courses, we'll be presenting the distribution in a booth during all event days. There we'll be answer questions, recruiting users and distributing gifts for all presents. Check it out all events: Lectures: - Opening talk - Fedora Project in Latin America (Rodrigo Padula, Matias Maceira, Diego Escobar and Guillermo Gomez) - Fedora Education (Cristiano Furtado) - Fedora Artwork (Jayme Ayres) - Fedora for servers - Services and Security (Guillermo Gomez and Matias Maceira) - Sugar / XO Educational Laptops (Rodrigo Padula) - Managing files and e-mails with KyaPanel and Fedora (Anahuac) - Digging Fedora - Tricks and configurations for your Desktop (Luiz Marzagao) - Translating Open Software: upstream collaboration trough Fedora Project (Igor Soares) Small courses - Backups with Bacula in Fedora (Heitor Medrado) - Fedora Spins (Igor Soares) - FedoraArt School (Guilherme RazGriz) - Configurations in your Desktop - Fedora EasyLife (Luiz Marzagao) The main goal for this event is to publish Fedora Project, recruit new collaborators and integrate all open source communities in Latin America. Don't loose it!!! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From sanjay.ankur at gmail.com Wed Oct 29 11:05:03 2008 From: sanjay.ankur at gmail.com (ankur sinha) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 16:35:03 +0530 Subject: [Ambassadors] About Fedora Forum In-Reply-To: <490840F4.3090206@yahoo.com.br> References: <490840F4.3090206@yahoo.com.br> Message-ID: <5d5765800810290405x5c1ee114i9fcf88693a5a72f6@mail.gmail.com> hi, Ive used the forum a lot.. Learnt a lot there.. It does have something to do with the project.. I dont exactly know the connection though.. regards, Ankur On Wed, Oct 29, 2008 at 4:24 PM, Luis Felipe Marzagao < lfelipebm at yahoo.com.br> wrote: > I think it?s completely outside Fedora Project. But it?s indeed referenced > in the wiki: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate#Forums > > Randika Rathugama escreveu: > >> Hi Friends, >> >> I need to clarify something with you guys, Its about this Forum >> http://fedoraforum.org/forum/ >> Is this a part of http://fedoraproject.org ? or is that something out >> side of the Official Fedora project? If it is, where is our forum? >> >> --Randika Rathumaga >> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Randika (My simple Profile) >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> -- >> Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list >> Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list >> >> > > __________________________________________________ > Fa?a liga??es para outros computadores com o novo Yahoo! Messenger > http://br.beta.messenger.yahoo.com/ > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From satyajit at nerdshack.com Wed Oct 29 15:15:48 2008 From: satyajit at nerdshack.com (Satyajit Ranjeev) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 22:15:48 +0700 Subject: [Ambassadors] About Fedora Forum In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1225293348.4506.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> fedoraforum.org is the forum endorsed by the Fedora Project. On Wed, 2008-10-29 at 11:25 +0530, Randika Rathugama wrote: > Hi Friends, > > I need to clarify something with you guys, Its about this Forum > http://fedoraforum.org/forum/ > Is this a part of http://fedoraproject.org ? or is that something out > side of the Official Fedora project? If it is, where is our forum? > > --Randika Rathumaga > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Randika (My simple Profile) > > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list From fugolini at fedoraproject.org Wed Oct 29 16:04:40 2008 From: fugolini at fedoraproject.org (Francesco Ugolini) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 17:04:40 +0100 Subject: [Ambassadors] SA meeting In-Reply-To: <200810282111.24242.ahoffsta@inf.utfsm.cl> References: <200810282111.24242.ahoffsta@inf.utfsm.cl> Message-ID: 2008/10/29 Arturo Hoffstadt Urrutia : > Hello: > > I would like to know when the next SA meeting will be held. > In the Ambassadors page, there is a date quite old. > > See ya! > -- > Arturo Alejandro Hoffstadt Urrutia ahoffsta at inf.utfsm.cl > Estudiante Ingenieria Civil Informatica http://arturo.hoffstadt.cl > Universidad Tecnica Federico Santa Maria http://www.utfsm.cl > Thank you for this question. I think it's important to know when the next SA is going to be held, just to make it clear for the whole community. If anyone in SA know it, please let us know. Regards Francesco Ugolini From fugolini at fedoraproject.org Wed Oct 29 16:13:41 2008 From: fugolini at fedoraproject.org (Francesco Ugolini) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 17:13:41 +0100 Subject: [Ambassadors] About Fedora Forum In-Reply-To: <1225293348.4506.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1225293348.4506.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: 2008/10/29 Satyajit Ranjeev : > fedoraforum.org is the forum endorsed by the Fedora Project. > It received the permission to use the logo, but nor the content or the administration is controlled/owned by Fedora in any way. Regards Francesco Ugolini From fugolini at fedoraproject.org Wed Oct 29 16:15:49 2008 From: fugolini at fedoraproject.org (Francesco Ugolini) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 17:15:49 +0100 Subject: [Ambassadors] FAmNA Meeting Summary from 2008-10-29 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: 2008/10/29 inode0 : > inode0 was roped into leading the meeting. > Thank you for this summary I and all FAmSCo will take in consideration it during the next FAmSCo meetings. BTW, you are doing a good job handling all those stuffs. Once again, if you will need direct support from famsco, feel free to ask. Best regards Francesco Ugolini From pcalarco at nd.edu Wed Oct 29 16:30:19 2008 From: pcalarco at nd.edu (Pascal Calarco) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 12:30:19 -0400 Subject: [Ambassadors] FAmNA Meeting Summary from 2008-10-29 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <49088F9B.70607@nd.edu> Thanks so much for the summary, Jeffrey! I am sorry I wasn't able to participate last night as you folks had a good meeting. Tentatively, I can help Matt and others with a FADNA or FUDCon event colocated at the Ottawa Linux Symposium to be held next July in Montreal. I did my graduate school at McGill and lived in Montreal for two years and still have good contacts at the University which might help with organizing a Fedora event there. I'd love a reason to go back and have wanted to attend the Ottawa Symposium for some time now. I can get travel funding for this internally. Also, I'll chime in and step up to be willing to help find space and organize if there is an interest for Indianapolis for a FUDCon next summer. I have contacts at both Indiana University-Purdue University Indanapolis, which is right downtown, and also the IU School of Medicine in Indianapolis and I am sure we could find space at either, perhaps by leveraging the one of the IU LUGs as a co-sponsor of the FUDCon. I probably would only have funding to attend either the Linux Symposium or the Con at Clemson but not both, so if FUDCon ends up being at Clemson, I'd probably opt for Montreal, myself (no offense, David! :). I should be able to make next week's FAMNA IRC. - pascal inode0 wrote: > inode0 was roped into leading the meeting. > > * Conference Planning > > There was extensive discussion concerning the Linux Symposium in > Montreal next summer and the possibility of organizing a Fedora > conference in conjunction with it, possibly the F12 FUDcon. We will > contact our Canadian ambassadors to see if they can take ownership > of this event. Brian Powell will if they are unable to. > > We then discussed planning for a site for the F12 FUDcon more generally. > Some sites that have been mentioned include Indianapolis, Chicago, Salt > Lake City, Austin or Dallas, and Clemson. Paul Frields joined us to lay > a foundation so we better understand the FUDcon planning process and its > expectations. This was immensely helpful. Thanks Paul. We will continue > to develop potential sites and keep Paul and Max Spevack informed. > > Additionally we discussed making sure there was a good Fedora presence > at the inaugural Southeast LinuxFest (SELF) next summer. This could be > a potential FUDcon site or possibly a site for FADNA or something else. > We are going to begin thinking about how and where to hold future FADNA > events now. > > * Task List Items > > Event Box Update from Clint Savage. We have received tremendously > positive feedback about the first Event Box and Clint has done some > major updates to the wiki about the Event Boxes. A log book was suggested > to be included or perhaps on the wiki for reporting about the adventures > of each box. Clint also updated us on the development of a transfer > policy to help these boxes travel smoothly from event to event. > > Q3 funding and media acquisition was touched on. We will follow up on > these with the relevant parties to get this all straight in the next > week or two. > > * Open Floor > > Clint raised the question of how to more effectively process requests > from ambassadors for various sorts of swag. Some discussion followed > and Clint will work on setting up something on the wiki we can refer > folks to for more information. > > Clint also pointed out the new columns on Fedora Events page which will > support requesting and reporting about the event boxes in the future. > > David Nalley raised the issue of further dividing the US so that the > workload/responsibilities can be spread out more. Some discussion of this > followed and we will revisit this subject at a future meeting. > > I would again like to thank all the participants, especially the new > ambassadors joining us for the first time tonight. > > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > From randika at randika.com Wed Oct 29 16:48:12 2008 From: randika at randika.com (Randika Rathugama) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 22:18:12 +0530 Subject: [Ambassadors] About Fedora Forum In-Reply-To: References: <1225293348.4506.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: Hi Everyone, Ok, I can understand fedoraforum.org is endorsed by the "Fedora Project". But is there any specific reason for not conducting a "Forum" of our own, on our own domain? We have, http://fedoraproject.org/ as the home web site http://docs.fedoraproject.org/ for documentation http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ as the collaborative writing project additionally, how about our own forum here, http://docs.fedoraproject.org/forum/ for discussions on "fedora project" and may be we can provide/get technical help to the community . What would you think about this? Thanks for reading. With regards, --Randika Rathugama On Wed, Oct 29, 2008 at 9:43 PM, Francesco Ugolini < fugolini at fedoraproject.org> wrote: > 2008/10/29 Satyajit Ranjeev : > > fedoraforum.org is the forum endorsed by the Fedora Project. > > > > It received the permission to use the logo, but nor the content or the > administration is controlled/owned by Fedora in any way. > > Regards > > Francesco Ugolini > > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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We have, http://fedoraproject.org/ as the home web site http://docs.fedoraproject.org/ for documentation http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ as the collaborative writing project additionally, how about our own forum here, http://fedoraproject.org/forum/for discussions on "fedora project" and may be we can provide/get technical help to the community . What would you think about this? Thanks for reading. With regards, --Randika Rathugama On Wed, Oct 29, 2008 at 9:43 PM, Francesco Ugolini < fugolini at fedoraproject.org> wrote: > 2008/10/29 Satyajit Ranjeev : > > fedoraforum.org is the forum endorsed by the Fedora Project. > > > > It received the permission to use the logo, but nor the content or the > administration is controlled/owned by Fedora in any way. > > Regards > > Francesco Ugolini > > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fugolini at fedoraproject.org Wed Oct 29 16:55:04 2008 From: fugolini at fedoraproject.org (Francesco Ugolini) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 17:55:04 +0100 Subject: [Ambassadors] About Fedora Forum In-Reply-To: References: <1225293348.4506.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: 2008/10/29 Randika Rathugama : > Hi Everyone, > > Ok, I can understand fedoraforum.org is endorsed by the "Fedora Project". > But is there any specific reason for not conducting a "Forum" of our own, on > our own domain? > > We have, > http://fedoraproject.org/ as the home web site > http://docs.fedoraproject.org/ for documentation > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ as the collaborative writing project > > additionally, how about our own forum here, > http://docs.fedoraproject.org/forum/ for discussions on "fedora project" and > may be we can provide/get technical help to the community . > > What would you think about this? Thanks for reading. > > With regards, > --Randika Rathugama > It isnt' endorsed by Fedora, it has only the logo usage permission. It isn't the official forum nor anything connected directly with Fedora. BTW, there are many Fedora users that contribute to this forum, but I can't say (as I know) this is the Forum side of Fedora. This is my humble opinion (it can't be considered the truth, but just what I know from this side). Regards Francesco Ugolini From jonstanley at gmail.com Wed Oct 29 16:56:54 2008 From: jonstanley at gmail.com (Jon Stanley) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 12:56:54 -0400 Subject: [Ambassadors] About Fedora Forum In-Reply-To: References: <1225293348.4506.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: 2008/10/29 Randika Rathugama : > Sorry, > Typo on the suggested forum URL, please consider it as > http://fedoraproject.org/forum > Thanks. What advantage does that give us that the current fedoraforum.org does not? In order to run our own forum, we'd need more servers to do that, moderation volunteers, and many other things that already exist over at fedoraforum.org In other words, I see no upside, and some potential downside to it. From randika at randika.com Wed Oct 29 17:25:26 2008 From: randika at randika.com (Randika Rathugama) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 22:55:26 +0530 Subject: [Ambassadors] About Fedora Forum In-Reply-To: References: <1225293348.4506.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: @ Jon Stanley Hi Jon, I'm not saying fedoraforum.org is not capable of or not serving to the fedora project. It's a good addition for the project. But don't you feel like we are a community with out a an official forum ? with my understandings a Forum is the best communication platform for an Open source project. As you mentioned we may need more hardware resources for the forum. I'm totally agree with this. But I do not agree with the "Volunteers" that we require for run a forum. Fedora Project is a not a community without experts or volunteers. Think about the number of people who starts using fedora, from the installation process itself they need some help most of the times. while they google for solutions if they can't find out a forum from the official fedora project, to ask their questions, it seems like a problem for me. anyway its my personal opinion. let's wait for others too. Thanks On Wed, Oct 29, 2008 at 10:26 PM, Jon Stanley wrote: > 2008/10/29 Randika Rathugama : > > Sorry, > > Typo on the suggested forum URL, please consider it as > > http://fedoraproject.org/forum > > Thanks. > > What advantage does that give us that the current fedoraforum.org does > not? In order to run our own forum, we'd need more servers to do that, > moderation volunteers, and many other things that already exist over > at fedoraforum.org > > In other words, I see no upside, and some potential downside to it. > > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nacross at gmail.com Wed Oct 29 17:45:05 2008 From: nacross at gmail.com (Neville A. Cross) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 11:45:05 -0600 Subject: [Ambassadors] About Fedora Forum In-Reply-To: References: <1225293348.4506.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: 2008/10/29 Randika Rathugama : > > Think about the number of people who starts using fedora, from the > installation process itself they need some help most of the times. while > they google for solutions if they can't find out a forum from the official > fedora project, to ask their questions, it seems like a problem for me. > anyway its my personal opinion. let's wait for others too. > If getting a official forum get started, I would suggest more restrictive release tags. One thing that made my experience less useful in the fedoraforum.org is reviewing if the solution offered in older posts are still good with new versions. Most time they do, but some time you get hints to obsolete packages or work around of fixed bugs. In the other hand, creating a new forum is a commitment, because at some extend it will undermine fedoraforum.org We may be diluting traffic and support efforts that may get disperse between the two forums. So, my opinion, if it goes ahead it should be done seriusly and not just like a test. -- Neville https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Yn1v Linux User # 473217 From mspevack at redhat.com Wed Oct 29 18:12:31 2008 From: mspevack at redhat.com (Max Spevack) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 19:12:31 +0100 (CET) Subject: [Ambassadors] About Fedora Forum In-Reply-To: References: <1225293348.4506.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: On Wed, 29 Oct 2008, Randika Rathugama wrote: > Ok, I can understand fedoraforum.org is endorsed by the "Fedora > Project". But is there any specific reason for not conducting a > "Forum" of our own, on our own domain? Hi Randika, Thanks for your question -- it is a good one that people do ask us every now and then. Let me see if I can help answer. There are a few reasons why we don't have a forum hosted within fedoraproject.org. Mainly, it would be bad from a community building point of view. The fedoraforum.org is maintained by a team of people who provide a wonderful service to the Fedora Project. Starting a competing forum would do two things: (1) It would confuse users, and fragment the community of people who actually use the forum. (2) It would be an act of disrespect to the people who have maintained fedoraforum for so long on their own. Far better for the Fedora Project to continue to give fedoraforum our blessing, and our offers for support and help if they need it. It is in the top google search results for "fedora help" and "fedora questions" and it is the top result for "fedora forum". They are successful, they are an asset to the community, and they do great work. No reason to do anything to get in their way. I hope this helps to answer your question. --Max From kwade at redhat.com Wed Oct 29 20:10:32 2008 From: kwade at redhat.com (Karsten 'quaid' Wade) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 13:10:32 -0700 Subject: [Ambassadors] About Fedora Forum In-Reply-To: References: <1225293348.4506.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1225311032.28007.121.camel@calliope.phig.org> On Wed, 2008-10-29 at 19:12 +0100, Max Spevack wrote: +1 to all the good stuff I snipped. :) > Far better for the Fedora Project to continue to give fedoraforum our > blessing, and our offers for support and help if they need it. This in fact is something good to discuss here. We've talked about asking Ambassadors (as a "should do" item) to hang out and help on fedoraforum.org, representing the Fedora Project more formally. From what I've read, the fedoraforum.org moderators are good at what they do. They are also doing a job that we cannot do from within the formal project. We want to do anything reasonable to endorse them while using simple social skills to keep the discourse civil, accurate, and useful in both directions. One other item, I'd like to find a way to distill some of the common complaints from fforum.org that don't make it to bug reports, etc. For example, in the last release, I read several times on fforum.org that people felt the marketing materials were too positive without discussing the potential problems in using Fedora. In other words, we brought in a bunch of new people on promises without telling them of the bad parts, and many of those people ended up on fforum.org. What I hope for is, at least, fforum.org moderators join fedora-advisory-board. 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Just my Big thanks with the whole Art Team! > > ---------------------------- > > To-do: > > - confirm events schedule > > - Ask owners/attendees/community is everything is ok (if no, try to help them) > > - Search for writers that want to try to promote F10 Release Events > through the FWN, Fedora Announce > > ---------------------------- > > Just my last thought. > > Remember, the first thing you have to keep in mind is: Enjoy, Enjoy, > Enjoy. That's the most important, if not necessary, priority task you > have to keep in mind. > > If you think there is something that it isn't working, please let us > know and, stay sure, we will help you. > > Best regards > > Francesco Ugolini > So, no reply for now. Is all ok? Let me know, just to adress better tomorrow FAmSCo meeting. Regards Francesco Ugolini From bpowell01 at gmail.com Wed Oct 29 20:51:16 2008 From: bpowell01 at gmail.com (Brian Powell) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 16:51:16 -0400 Subject: [Ambassadors] Re: F10 Release Parties - 2nd part In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <96365e610810291351k6ec01bd5vefc09f949ea7bd5e@mail.gmail.com> On Wed, Oct 29, 2008 at 4:36 PM, Francesco Ugolini wrote: > 2008/10/23 Francesco Ugolini : >> Current situation: >> >> - Actually we have 18 release events listed in >> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FedoraEvents/ReleaseParty/F10 (if you >> have put your event only in FedoraEvents page, please list in F10 >> Release Parties page too). >> >> - We have assigned the required budget for Q3 Release Events (for Q4 >> assignment wait until December). >> >> - We received logo usage permission for the Release Map (see >> https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-ambassadors-list/2008-October/msg00165.html) >> >> - According to http://poelstra.fedorapeople.org/schedules/f-10/f-10-art-tasks.html >> F10 Release Parties posters work is set from Tue 2008-11-18 to Tue >> 2008-11-25. Just my Big thanks with the whole Art Team! >> >> ---------------------------- >> >> To-do: >> >> - confirm events schedule >> >> - Ask owners/attendees/community is everything is ok (if no, try to help them) >> >> - Search for writers that want to try to promote F10 Release Events >> through the FWN, Fedora Announce >> >> ---------------------------- >> >> Just my last thought. >> >> Remember, the first thing you have to keep in mind is: Enjoy, Enjoy, >> Enjoy. That's the most important, if not necessary, priority task you >> have to keep in mind. >> >> If you think there is something that it isn't working, please let us >> know and, stay sure, we will help you. >> >> Best regards >> >> Francesco Ugolini >> > > So, no reply for now. Is all ok? > > Let me know, just to adress better tomorrow FAmSCo meeting. > > Regards > > Francesco Ugolini > > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > Looks good to me :-) -- Regards, BrianPowell http://fedoraproject.org http://wnylug.org From mahayalamkhan at gmail.com Wed Oct 29 21:37:30 2008 From: mahayalamkhan at gmail.com (mak) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 03:37:30 +0600 Subject: [Ambassadors] Re: F10 Release Parties - 2nd part In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: 2008/10/30 Francesco Ugolini > 2008/10/23 Francesco Ugolini : > > Current situation: > > > > - Actually we have 18 release events listed in > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FedoraEvents/ReleaseParty/F10 (if you > > have put your event only in FedoraEvents page, please list in F10 > > Release Parties page too). > > > > - We have assigned the required budget for Q3 Release Events (for Q4 > > assignment wait until December). > > > > - We received logo usage permission for the Release Map (see > > > https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-ambassadors-list/2008-October/msg00165.html > ) > > > > - According to > http://poelstra.fedorapeople.org/schedules/f-10/f-10-art-tasks.html > > F10 Release Parties posters work is set from Tue 2008-11-18 to Tue > > 2008-11-25. Just my Big thanks with the whole Art Team! > > > > ---------------------------- > > > > To-do: > > > > - confirm events schedule > > > > - Ask owners/attendees/community is everything is ok (if no, try to help > them) > > > > - Search for writers that want to try to promote F10 Release Events > > through the FWN, Fedora Announce > > > > ---------------------------- > > > > Just my last thought. > > > > Remember, the first thing you have to keep in mind is: Enjoy, Enjoy, > > Enjoy. That's the most important, if not necessary, priority task you > > have to keep in mind. > > > > If you think there is something that it isn't working, please let us > > know and, stay sure, we will help you. > > > > Best regards > > > > Francesco Ugolini > > > > So, no reply for now. Is all ok? > > Let me know, just to adress better tomorrow FAmSCo meeting. > I'm the Event owner in Bangladesh. We don't have any problem (Harish Pillay also disbursed the amount) except the confusion amongst local Fedora enthusiast going on about the release date (25th Nov) and our release party date(31st Oct). So, we (3 Ambassadors) are thinking to postpone until the final release . -- Regards Mahay Alam Khan gpg key: 4FDD30FB Fedora Ambassador Bangladesh -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lfbm.andamentos at gmail.com Wed Oct 29 22:53:16 2008 From: lfbm.andamentos at gmail.com (Luis Felipe Marzagao) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 20:53:16 -0200 Subject: [Ambassadors] About Fedora Forum In-Reply-To: <1225311032.28007.121.camel@calliope.phig.org> References: <1225293348.4506.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1225311032.28007.121.camel@calliope.phig.org> Message-ID: <4908E95C.6080902@yahoo.com.br> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From juankprada at gmail.com Thu Oct 30 03:23:32 2008 From: juankprada at gmail.com (Juan Camilo Prada) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 22:23:32 -0500 Subject: [Ambassadors] About Fedora Forum In-Reply-To: <1225311032.28007.121.camel@calliope.phig.org> References: <1225293348.4506.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1225311032.28007.121.camel@calliope.phig.org> Message-ID: <1225337012.20790.15.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Wed, 2008-10-29 at 13:10 -0700, Karsten 'quaid' Wade wrote: > On Wed, 2008-10-29 at 19:12 +0100, Max Spevack wrote: > > +1 to all the good stuff I snipped. :) > > > Far better for the Fedora Project to continue to give fedoraforum our > > blessing, and our offers for support and help if they need it. > > This in fact is something good to discuss here. How about proposing something like a mixing-forces deal to integrate forums and all other sources of information that are actually ours. AFAIK there is some kind of restriction/patent/license with the forum engine fedoraforum.org uses, and im not sure if a migration is actually a possibility here, but pheraps making the forums integrate more with the rest of the websites we currently have would make the whole fedora community more united. This issue was something I criticized on one of my blog posts, although back then i was only talking about Fedora Project's site and not related projects efforts. Forums are a great source of information and the fact that we dont have an official one which is actually ours kinda makes you think the project isnt interested in sharing info with you (yeah i know whe have docs.fp.org and all that stuff but still). So perhaps working alongside with the ff.org guys maybe helping them change their style sheet on the forums to make it look more fedoraish styled and making it the official forums (being linked from fp.o) wouldn't be too difficult and would actually be good for the project as the community might look more integrated and not just some separate efforts of different communities. -- Juan Camilo Prada From bpowell01 at gmail.com Thu Oct 30 03:45:41 2008 From: bpowell01 at gmail.com (Brian Powell) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 23:45:41 -0400 Subject: [Ambassadors] Swag Resources In-Reply-To: References: <818ac3c70810281658s74f8d0eex2af549e2ee7b86fe@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <96365e610810292045t60aa7573y5abd89c09c41938c@mail.gmail.com> On Tue, Oct 28, 2008 at 10:47 PM, David Nalley wrote: > Hi Kam > > The first step is to get your item on the /Events page which I see you > have. My understanding is that events have to be there by Nov 1. to > get funding. > Second you'll get money allocated - from that you can acquire swag. > That budget will have to pay for Media (if it's even available by > then), Tshirts, etc. > If you need a small quantity you may want to work with your regional > ambassador (I think that's me at the moment) to purchase with others. > > As an aside it looks like we'll be drafting a NA-SWAG faq in the not > to distant future. > > > > > 2008/10/28 Domain Admin : >> In the US, what are the SWAG options? I will need stickers and T-Shirts for >> an event in December 2008. >> >> Past threads have said to have shirts produced locally (whoever has the "I >> 'heart' Fedora" T-Shirts please email me off list so I can get several of >> them?) >> >> But stickers and other promotionals? >> >> Is there an existing wiki page with a basic "how to" for swag items? >> >> ANyone know where to get branded USB flash keys? They would need to be 2GB >> flash drives. >> >> -- >> Kam Salisbury >> http://kamsalisbury.com >> GPG key: FAF1751E >> >> -- >> Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list >> Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list >> >> > > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > Kam, I am planning on putting an order together for some Fedora shirts (Fedora on the front chest, big Fedora logo on the back) for my release party and a few other events I have coming up. If you would like and have the funding I can add yours along with my order. If I can be of any help let me know. -- Regards, BrianPowell http://fedoraproject.org http://wnylug.org From pravda013 at fedoraproject.org Thu Oct 30 04:34:23 2008 From: pravda013 at fedoraproject.org (Ferenc Pravda) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 00:34:23 -0400 Subject: [Ambassadors] Re: F10 Release Parties - 2nd part In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5031e9cf0810292134l4365632doea05e367203582c4@mail.gmail.com> Hello, Considering to my first Fedora Event organizing, I will need some help. I find some volunteers, who will participate online marketing, organize invitations to talkers in Serbia, as well as Install Fest part of Event, installing Fedora to new users. Part of them are from LUGoNS (Linux Users Group of Novi Sad), One of the greatly advanced LUG in Serbia, othere part is local enthusiasts and Linux users. I hope that i am not very much enthusiastic about this? 2008/10/29 mak : > > > 2008/10/30 Francesco Ugolini >> >> 2008/10/23 Francesco Ugolini : >> > Current situation: >> > >> > - Actually we have 18 release events listed in >> > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FedoraEvents/ReleaseParty/F10 (if you >> > have put your event only in FedoraEvents page, please list in F10 >> > Release Parties page too). >> > >> > - We have assigned the required budget for Q3 Release Events (for Q4 >> > assignment wait until December). >> > >> > - We received logo usage permission for the Release Map (see >> > >> > https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-ambassadors-list/2008-October/msg00165.html) >> > >> > - According to >> > http://poelstra.fedorapeople.org/schedules/f-10/f-10-art-tasks.html >> > F10 Release Parties posters work is set from Tue 2008-11-18 to Tue >> > 2008-11-25. Just my Big thanks with the whole Art Team! >> > >> > ---------------------------- >> > >> > To-do: >> > >> > - confirm events schedule >> > >> > - Ask owners/attendees/community is everything is ok (if no, try to help >> > them) >> > >> > - Search for writers that want to try to promote F10 Release Events >> > through the FWN, Fedora Announce >> > >> > ---------------------------- >> > >> > Just my last thought. >> > >> > Remember, the first thing you have to keep in mind is: Enjoy, Enjoy, >> > Enjoy. That's the most important, if not necessary, priority task you >> > have to keep in mind. >> > >> > If you think there is something that it isn't working, please let us >> > know and, stay sure, we will help you. >> > >> > Best regards >> > >> > Francesco Ugolini >> > >> >> So, no reply for now. Is all ok? >> >> Let me know, just to adress better tomorrow FAmSCo meeting. > > I'm the Event owner in Bangladesh. We don't have any problem (Harish Pillay > also disbursed the amount) except the confusion amongst local Fedora > enthusiast going on about the release date (25th Nov) and our release party > date(31st Oct). So, we (3 Ambassadors) are thinking to postpone until the > final release. > > > -- > Regards > > Mahay Alam Khan > gpg key: 4FDD30FB > Fedora Ambassador Bangladesh > > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > > -- Ferenc Pravda Fedora Ambasador pravda013 at fedoraproject.org Key Fingerprint: 8A76 A556 EC86 7222 0EF0 B9E8 76AF BB74 9A3F B4B6 http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Pravda013_ENGLISH http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/pravda013 (Serbian) From slasherzee at yahoo.com Thu Oct 30 04:50:06 2008 From: slasherzee at yahoo.com (Doug Berry) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 21:50:06 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Ambassadors] Fedoraforum......... Message-ID: <799308.54113.qm@web63501.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Hey guys, Just a word about the Fedora Forum topic raised by Randika. I not sure about creating a whole new forum, whether that is workable or not. But Randika raised a very valid point about Fedoraforum.org, that being that in searching it, you often get outdated and obsolete information. There is nothing worse then having an inexperienced user trying to do something that no longer works, because he found it on the Forum. This user wants to do thus and such, and he ends up in a terminal, trying to create directories or "make" something, and screwing it all up, when the 2,674th result in that search is some guy saying: "why don't you just yum install the rpm from atrpms." That user would certainly wish that his search started with that result. That criticism is valid for all the other Linux forums also. Google a search topic to find info about something and the recent, up-to-date stuff might in last place out of the 2 million hits you get. -- w Douglas Berry -- slasherzee at fedoraproject.org From jonstanley at gmail.com Thu Oct 30 04:57:03 2008 From: jonstanley at gmail.com (Jon Stanley) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 00:57:03 -0400 Subject: [Ambassadors] F10 Release Parties - 2nd part In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Thu, Oct 23, 2008 at 1:46 PM, Francesco Ugolini wrote: > Current situation: > > - Actually we have 18 release events listed in > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FedoraEvents/ReleaseParty/F10 (if you > have put your event only in FedoraEvents page, please list in F10 > Release Parties page too). I'm sorry, this email missed me when it came through the first time. I have added a page with more details about my plans, hopefully it's not too late. > To-do: > > - confirm events schedule I need to confirm costs with the venue. They have a private room that I'd probably get for this, which has all the required technology already in place. From fugolini at fedoraproject.org Thu Oct 30 14:43:39 2008 From: fugolini at fedoraproject.org (Francesco Ugolini) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 15:43:39 +0100 Subject: [Ambassadors] Re: F10 Release Parties - 2nd part In-Reply-To: <5031e9cf0810292134l4365632doea05e367203582c4@mail.gmail.com> References: <5031e9cf0810292134l4365632doea05e367203582c4@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: 2008/10/30 Ferenc Pravda : > Hello, > > Considering to my first Fedora Event organizing, I will need some help. > I find some volunteers, who will participate online marketing, > organize invitations to talkers in Serbia, as well as Install Fest > part of Event, installing Fedora to new users. Feel free to ask EMEA Ambassadors (me too) if you have something to solve. I can't assure we will solve all your problems, but I'm sure we will try to make our best :) > Part of them are from LUGoNS (Linux Users Group of Novi Sad), One of > the greatly advanced LUG in Serbia, othere part is local enthusiasts > and Linux users. Sounds good. Enjoy your release party Best regards Francesco Ugolini From a.mani.cms at gmail.com Thu Oct 30 14:46:11 2008 From: a.mani.cms at gmail.com (Mani A) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 20:16:11 +0530 Subject: [Ambassadors] Fedoraforum......... In-Reply-To: <799308.54113.qm@web63501.mail.re1.yahoo.com> References: <799308.54113.qm@web63501.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <78323d480810300746y42901166ic84230cb0f0a1f57@mail.gmail.com> On Thu, Oct 30, 2008 at 10:20 AM, Doug Berry wrote: > > But Randika raised a very valid point about Fedoraforum.org, > that being that in searching it, you often get outdated > and obsolete information. There is nothing worse then > having an inexperienced user trying to do something > that no longer works, because he found it on the Forum. Basically the user must be instructed to use advanced search or 'search' must default to up-to-date posts. For the latter it will become necessary to rate posts on subjective terms. These should be among "newbie-friendly",... A search for 'recent posts' may not be that helpful. Best A. Mani -- A. Mani Member, Cal. Math. Soc From fugolini at fedoraproject.org Thu Oct 30 14:51:58 2008 From: fugolini at fedoraproject.org (Francesco Ugolini) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 15:51:58 +0100 Subject: [Ambassadors] Re: F10 Release Parties - 2nd part In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: 2008/10/29 mak : > I'm the Event owner in Bangladesh. We don't have any problem (Harish Pillay > also disbursed the amount) except the confusion amongst local Fedora > enthusiast going on about the release date (25th Nov) and our release party > date(31st Oct). So, we (3 Ambassadors) are thinking to postpone until the > final release. Thank you for the update and for the feedback. Feel free to organize the event with the schedule you prefer. Enjoy you Release Event! Best regards Francesco Ugolini From fugolini at fedoraproject.org Thu Oct 30 14:49:54 2008 From: fugolini at fedoraproject.org (Francesco Ugolini) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 15:49:54 +0100 Subject: [Ambassadors] F10 Release Parties - 2nd part In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: 2008/10/30 Jon Stanley : > I'm sorry, this email missed me when it came through the first time. > I have added a page with more details about my plans, hopefully it's > not too late. I'm sure there is a confirmed budget for NA Release Events (according to fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/SteeringCommittee/Budget). Thank you for the details page. > I need to confirm costs with the venue. They have a private room that > I'd probably get for this, which has all the required technology > already in place. > Just take a look at the page I linked above or ask directly NA contacts (David, Jeffrey etc.). Thank you very much for your updates. I hope you'll enjoy your Release party Regards Francesco Ugolini From felix at fetzig.org Thu Oct 30 15:07:39 2008 From: felix at fetzig.org (Felix Kaechele) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 16:07:39 +0100 Subject: [Ambassadors] Fedoraforum......... In-Reply-To: <799308.54113.qm@web63501.mail.re1.yahoo.com> References: <799308.54113.qm@web63501.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4909CDBB.2060604@fetzig.org> Doug Berry schrieb: > But Randika raised a very valid point about Fedoraforum.org, > that being that in searching it, you often get outdated > and obsolete information. There is nothing worse then > having an inexperienced user trying to do something > that no longer works, because he found it on the Forum. I believe that a Wiki could serve a better purpose for newbies. The German Fedora community has a wiki that mostly contains HOWTOs and Tricks of topics that arose in the German Fedora forum. It's much easier to maintain such information in a wiki and keeping it up to date. Also newbies have useful information at a glance. Maybe it's just that (or FedoraSolved) that need more love. And of course a clearly visible link from the Forums telling newbies to consult the Wiki for basic questions first. Felix From fugolini at fedoraproject.org Thu Oct 30 14:49:54 2008 From: fugolini at fedoraproject.org (Francesco Ugolini) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 15:49:54 +0100 Subject: [Ambassadors] F10 Release Parties - 2nd part In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: 2008/10/30 Jon Stanley : > I'm sorry, this email missed me when it came through the first time. > I have added a page with more details about my plans, hopefully it's > not too late. I'm sure there is a confirmed budget for NA Release Events (according to fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/SteeringCommittee/Budget). Thank you for the details page. > I need to confirm costs with the venue. They have a private room that > I'd probably get for this, which has all the required technology > already in place. > Just take a look at the page I linked above or ask directly NA contacts (David, Jeffrey etc.). Thank you very much for your updates. I hope you'll enjoy your Release party Regards Francesco Ugolini From fzied at dottn.com Thu Oct 30 17:11:04 2008 From: fzied at dottn.com (Zied Fakhfakh) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 18:11:04 +0100 Subject: [Ambassadors] F10 Release Parties - 2nd part In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <436bc6ca0810301011x7e9d8dbcu89cf6f43f7b98f85@mail.gmail.com> Hi, we are still in the stage of planning. Soon, very soon, we will post the details here: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FedoraEvents/ReleaseParty/F10/Tunis Regards, Zied. On Thu, Oct 23, 2008 at 6:46 PM, Francesco Ugolini < fugolini at fedoraproject.org> wrote: > Current situation: > > - Actually we have 18 release events listed in > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FedoraEvents/ReleaseParty/F10 (if you > have put your event only in FedoraEvents page, please list in F10 > Release Parties page too). > > - We have assigned the required budget for Q3 Release Events (for Q4 > assignment wait until December). > > - We received logo usage permission for the Release Map (see > > https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-ambassadors-list/2008-October/msg00165.html > ) > > - According to > http://poelstra.fedorapeople.org/schedules/f-10/f-10-art-tasks.html > F10 Release Parties posters work is set from Tue 2008-11-18 to Tue > 2008-11-25. Just my Big thanks with the whole Art Team! > > ---------------------------- > > To-do: > > - confirm events schedule > > - Ask owners/attendees/community is everything is ok (if no, try to help > them) > > - Search for writers that want to try to promote F10 Release Events > through the FWN, Fedora Announce > > ---------------------------- > > Just my last thought. > > Remember, the first thing you have to keep in mind is: Enjoy, Enjoy, > Enjoy. That's the most important, if not necessary, priority task you > have to keep in mind. > > If you think there is something that it isn't working, please let us > know and, stay sure, we will help you. > > Best regards > > Francesco Ugolini > > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > -- Zied Fakhfakh Dot TN - CTO Centre Molka, Esc E, Bur 17 Manar 2 - 2092 - Tunis Tunisia -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Thu Oct 30 17:33:07 2008 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 23:03:07 +0530 Subject: [Ambassadors] Fedoraforum......... In-Reply-To: <799308.54113.qm@web63501.mail.re1.yahoo.com> References: <799308.54113.qm@web63501.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4909EFD3.9010601@fedoraproject.org> Doug Berry wrote: > Hey guys, > > Just a word about the Fedora Forum topic raised by > Randika. I not sure about creating a whole new forum, > whether that is workable or not. > > But Randika raised a very valid point about Fedoraforum.org, > that being that in searching it, you often get outdated > and obsolete information. There is nothing worse then > having an inexperienced user trying to do something > that no longer works, because he found it on the Forum. Quick note: Fedoraforum.org is a completely independent and privately owned and operated website not connected to Fedora infrastructure. Suggestions for improvements should go to them directly. Rahul From kam at kamsalisbury.com Thu Oct 30 17:56:00 2008 From: kam at kamsalisbury.com (Kam) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 13:56:00 -0400 Subject: [Ambassadors] Re: F10 Release Parties - 2nd part Message-ID: <4909f57c.1bb97e0a.28d5.1a47@mx.google.com> -----Original Message----- From: mak Subj: Re: [Ambassadors] Re: F10 Release Parties - 2nd part Date: Wed Oct 29, 2008 5:38 pm Size: 345 bytes To: fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com 2008/10/30 Francesco Ugolini --- message truncated --- The appropriate information for the Philadelphia PA USA release party is now in the wiki in the additional places. -- Kam http://kamsalisbury.com GPG key: FAF1751E From fugolini at fedoraproject.org Thu Oct 30 19:50:14 2008 From: fugolini at fedoraproject.org (Francesco Ugolini) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 20:50:14 +0100 Subject: [Ambassadors] F10 Release Parties - 2nd part In-Reply-To: <436bc6ca0810301011x7e9d8dbcu89cf6f43f7b98f85@mail.gmail.com> References: <436bc6ca0810301011x7e9d8dbcu89cf6f43f7b98f85@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: 2008/10/30 Zied Fakhfakh : > Hi, > > we are still in the stage of planning. > Soon, very soon, we will post the details here: > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FedoraEvents/ReleaseParty/F10/Tunis > > Regards, > Zied. Thank you for this update. Enjoy your Relese Event! Best regards Francesco Ugolini From loupgaroublond at gmail.com Thu Oct 30 20:27:00 2008 From: loupgaroublond at gmail.com (Yaakov Nemoy) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 16:27:00 -0400 Subject: [Ambassadors] Working with OpenStreetMap In-Reply-To: <53426.VwBUX1dRCno=.1225272244.squirrel@webmail.no-log.org> References: <7f692fec0810281543v59fdf2adv21ee538154115d21@mail.gmail.com> <53426.VwBUX1dRCno=.1225272244.squirrel@webmail.no-log.org> Message-ID: <7f692fec0810301327p49a4b27ax36c3faf5efcdabab@mail.gmail.com> On Wed, Oct 29, 2008 at 5:24 AM, Mathieu Bridon (bochecha) wrote: > Hi, > >> Is this something that has some potential within the Fedora Ambassadors? > > I'm currently developing an application using OSM, so yes, I'm totally > interested in it ! > > However, I'm curious, what is a "mapping party" ? How is it run ? > > Anyway, count me in, as much as my agenda permits it :) Sounds awesome. I'll be sure to let the OSM guys know about this. I would still like to know, as a whole, can i recommend Fedora Ambassadors to OSM in any official capacity, or is there by and large a total lack of interest in helping out another community? -Yaakov From david at gnsa.us Thu Oct 30 20:54:37 2008 From: david at gnsa.us (David Nalley) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 16:54:37 -0400 Subject: [Ambassadors] Working with OpenStreetMap In-Reply-To: <7f692fec0810301327p49a4b27ax36c3faf5efcdabab@mail.gmail.com> References: <7f692fec0810281543v59fdf2adv21ee538154115d21@mail.gmail.com> <53426.VwBUX1dRCno=.1225272244.squirrel@webmail.no-log.org> <7f692fec0810301327p49a4b27ax36c3faf5efcdabab@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Thu, Oct 30, 2008 at 4:27 PM, Yaakov Nemoy wrote: > On Wed, Oct 29, 2008 at 5:24 AM, Mathieu Bridon (bochecha) > wrote: >> Hi, >> >>> Is this something that has some potential within the Fedora Ambassadors? >> >> I'm currently developing an application using OSM, so yes, I'm totally >> interested in it ! >> >> However, I'm curious, what is a "mapping party" ? How is it run ? >> >> Anyway, count me in, as much as my agenda permits it :) > > Sounds awesome. I'll be sure to let the OSM guys know about this. > > I would still like to know, as a whole, can i recommend Fedora > Ambassadors to OSM in any official capacity, or is there by and large > a total lack of interest in helping out another community? > > -Yaakov Yaakov, My initial reaction is "Cool - I'd love to do this" quickly followed by 'where will I find the time?'. The upcoming release has a lot of people heavily committed to getting stuff pushed out. That said - post-release this is something I think we could look at more seriously. From david at gnsa.us Thu Oct 30 20:58:56 2008 From: david at gnsa.us (David Nalley) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 16:58:56 -0400 Subject: [Ambassadors] NA Release Party Owners: F10 t-shirt proposal Message-ID: Clint and I were discussing some of the upcoming release issues and he came up with the idea of having an F10 release shirt available. So I am announcing the proposal and 1) trying to gauge interest in the proposal. and 2) Solicit input for the proposal. Clint, in conjunction with at least one member of the art team will be working on the artwork. Feel free to continue this thread with ideas or just flood Clint on irc :) So are you interested in having t-shirts for release events? If so, how would you have them look? From jsimon at fedoraproject.org Thu Oct 30 20:58:36 2008 From: jsimon at fedoraproject.org (JoergSimon) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 21:58:36 +0100 Subject: [Ambassadors] Fedora Ambassadors Welcome Message-ID: <200810302158.40277.jsimon@fedoraproject.org> Dear Ambassadors, let?s welcome our new sponsored Ambassador Group Members: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Rdsharma4u https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Gantu https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Mgarrison Regards Joerg p.s. Please do not send private "Welcome" Messages to Ambassador List -- Joerg (kital) Simon jsimon at fedoraproject.org http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/JoergSimon http://kitall.blogspot.com Key Fingerprint: 3691 0989 2DCA 58A2 8D1F 2CAC C823 558E 5B5B 5688 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part. URL: From fugolini at fedoraproject.org Thu Oct 30 21:13:01 2008 From: fugolini at fedoraproject.org (Francesco Ugolini) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 22:13:01 +0100 Subject: [Ambassadors] NA Release Party Owners: F10 t-shirt proposal In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: 2008/10/30 David Nalley : > Clint and I were discussing some of the upcoming release issues and he > came up with the idea of having an F10 release shirt available. That's a really cool idea. Great job! Regards Francesco Ugolini From gdk at redhat.com Thu Oct 30 21:08:55 2008 From: gdk at redhat.com (Greg Dekoenigsberg) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 17:08:55 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Ambassadors] NA Release Party Owners: F10 t-shirt proposal In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Thu, 30 Oct 2008, David Nalley wrote: > Clint and I were discussing some of the upcoming release issues and he > came up with the idea of having an F10 release shirt available. > > So I am announcing the proposal and 1) trying to gauge interest in the > proposal. and 2) Solicit input for the proposal. > > Clint, in conjunction with at least one member of the art team will be > working on the artwork. > > Feel free to continue this thread with ideas or just flood Clint on irc :) > > So are you interested in having t-shirts for release events? > If so, how would you have them look? Just sell them on cafepress? --g From david at gnsa.us Thu Oct 30 21:24:31 2008 From: david at gnsa.us (David Nalley) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 17:24:31 -0400 Subject: [Ambassadors] NA Release Party Owners: F10 t-shirt proposal In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Thu, Oct 30, 2008 at 5:08 PM, Greg Dekoenigsberg wrote: > > On Thu, 30 Oct 2008, David Nalley wrote: > >> Clint and I were discussing some of the upcoming release issues and he >> came up with the idea of having an F10 release shirt available. >> >> So I am announcing the proposal and 1) trying to gauge interest in the >> proposal. and 2) Solicit input for the proposal. >> >> Clint, in conjunction with at least one member of the art team will be >> working on the artwork. >> >> Feel free to continue this thread with ideas or just flood Clint on irc :) >> >> So are you interested in having t-shirts for release events? >> If so, how would you have them look? > > Just sell them on cafepress? > > --g > We plan on pushing the design to spreadshirt perhaps as part of the opening of the NA store sig if we can get some of the other issues that Jeffrey is researching worked out. The problem is cafepress and spreadshirt make it 3x more expensive than if we buy them. So the FADNA shirts which we got through spreadshirt cost us $16 each - while the shirts we had produced in relative bulk (75) for OLF cost around $6 each. So if the events budget has to pay for shirts - 6 is more attractive than 16. From herlo1 at gmail.com Thu Oct 30 21:29:03 2008 From: herlo1 at gmail.com (Clint Savage) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 15:29:03 -0600 Subject: [Ambassadors] NA Release Party Owners: F10 t-shirt proposal In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Thu, Oct 30, 2008 at 3:24 PM, David Nalley wrote: > On Thu, Oct 30, 2008 at 5:08 PM, Greg Dekoenigsberg wrote: >> >> On Thu, 30 Oct 2008, David Nalley wrote: >> >>> Clint and I were discussing some of the upcoming release issues and he >>> came up with the idea of having an F10 release shirt available. >>> >>> So I am announcing the proposal and 1) trying to gauge interest in the >>> proposal. and 2) Solicit input for the proposal. >>> >>> Clint, in conjunction with at least one member of the art team will be >>> working on the artwork. >>> >>> Feel free to continue this thread with ideas or just flood Clint on irc :) >>> >>> So are you interested in having t-shirts for release events? >>> If so, how would you have them look? >> >> Just sell them on cafepress? >> >> --g >> > > We plan on pushing the design to spreadshirt perhaps as part of the > opening of the NA store sig if we can get some of the other issues > that Jeffrey is researching worked out. > The problem is cafepress and spreadshirt make it 3x more expensive > than if we buy them. So the FADNA shirts which we got through > spreadshirt cost us $16 each - while the shirts we had produced in > relative bulk (75) for OLF cost around $6 each. So if the events > budget has to pay for shirts - 6 is more attractive than 16. > David, The problems with the $6 vs $16 argument is that the $6 deal is only if we can get them in time to the printer and if the art is ready in time. We'll have to give them some lead time (probably at least 2 weeks) and pay a setup charge for the art. The other issue is that the $6 is one sided and limited colors. Though I think we'll only have one or two colors, it could be hard depending on gradients and what not. Keep these things in mind as you discuss this, but both are currently doable. Cheers, Clint From david at gnsa.us Thu Oct 30 21:33:31 2008 From: david at gnsa.us (David Nalley) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 17:33:31 -0400 Subject: [Ambassadors] NA Release Party Owners: F10 t-shirt proposal In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Thu, Oct 30, 2008 at 5:29 PM, Clint Savage wrote: > On Thu, Oct 30, 2008 at 3:24 PM, David Nalley wrote: >> On Thu, Oct 30, 2008 at 5:08 PM, Greg Dekoenigsberg wrote: >>> >>> On Thu, 30 Oct 2008, David Nalley wrote: >>> >>>> Clint and I were discussing some of the upcoming release issues and he >>>> came up with the idea of having an F10 release shirt available. >>>> >>>> So I am announcing the proposal and 1) trying to gauge interest in the >>>> proposal. and 2) Solicit input for the proposal. >>>> >>>> Clint, in conjunction with at least one member of the art team will be >>>> working on the artwork. >>>> >>>> Feel free to continue this thread with ideas or just flood Clint on irc :) >>>> >>>> So are you interested in having t-shirts for release events? >>>> If so, how would you have them look? >>> >>> Just sell them on cafepress? >>> >>> --g >>> >> >> We plan on pushing the design to spreadshirt perhaps as part of the >> opening of the NA store sig if we can get some of the other issues >> that Jeffrey is researching worked out. >> The problem is cafepress and spreadshirt make it 3x more expensive >> than if we buy them. So the FADNA shirts which we got through >> spreadshirt cost us $16 each - while the shirts we had produced in >> relative bulk (75) for OLF cost around $6 each. So if the events >> budget has to pay for shirts - 6 is more attractive than 16. >> > > David, > > The problems with the $6 vs $16 argument is that the $6 deal is only > if we can get them in time to the printer and if the art is ready in > time. We'll have to give them some lead time (probably at least 2 > weeks) and pay a setup charge for the art. The other issue is that > the $6 is one sided and limited colors. Though I think we'll only > have one or two colors, it could be hard depending on gradients and > what not. > > Keep these things in mind as you discuss this, but both are currently doable. > > Cheers, > > Clint > Sure, I was merely citing previous examples - I don't know that 'the artsy' side of this idea won't design something incredibly complex that is expensive to print :) Regardless though it's almost assuredly cheaper provided we can get it to the printer, print in sufficient quantities,etc. From hagr182 at gmail.com Fri Oct 31 02:24:13 2008 From: hagr182 at gmail.com (Hector Alfonso Gonzalez Ramirez) Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2008 03:24:13 +0100 Subject: [Ambassadors] MIDs and PS3s Message-ID: <1d24cdf80810301924u6f5ad8d6je446fa2e801993c7@mail.gmail.com> Well my friends, Ive been doing a bit of research and well Fedora doesnt mix very well with the PS3, my point is: -We should promote the creation of a Fedora 10 alternate cd install (as of right now the best version for the PS3 is core 5). -We should promote the creation of an MID edition of Fedora. I know both projects arent exactly an easy piece of cake, but we need to get ahead already, the PS3 is a perfect opotunity to make fedora popular, as the PS3 represents a whopping 45% of the console market, of course well be competing head to head with ubuntu and yellow dogLinux. On the other hand MID devices are becoming pretty common, so we should promote MID development aswell, on both projects im more than willing to help- -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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On the other hand > MID devices are becoming pretty common, so we should promote MID development > aswell, on both projects im more than willing to help- > Hi Hector: I don't know that f-a-l is the best place to bring these subjects up -devel makes a bit more sense in my mind. That said - the PS3 just works with F9 according to: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/PlayStation As for MID - have you heard the recent news about Moblin http://www.desktoplinux.com/news/NS2068665492.html http://software.intel.com/en-us/blogs/2008/10/20/moblin-development-ubuntu-and-fedora-on-one-box/ From rishikesh at fedoraproject.org Fri Oct 31 02:27:30 2008 From: rishikesh at fedoraproject.org (Rishikesh Sharma) Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2008 07:57:30 +0530 Subject: [Ambassadors] Re: F10 Release Parties - 2nd part Message-ID: <490a6f6a.1e078e0a.467e.0de1@mx.google.com> I am ok for my december 7 lease event in imphal. Rishikesh Sharma -----Original Message----- From: "Francesco Ugolini" To: "Fedora Ambassadors List" ; "FAmSCo List" Sent: 30-Oct-08 2:06 AM Subject: [Ambassadors] Re: F10 Release Parties - 2nd part 2008/10/23 Francesco Ugolini : > Current situation: > > - Actually we have 18 release events listed in > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FedoraEvents/ReleaseParty/F10 (if you > have put your event only in FedoraEvents page, please list in F10 > Release Parties page too). > > - We have assigned the required budget for Q3 Release Events (for Q4 > assignment wait until December). > > - We received logo usage permission for the Release Map (see > https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-ambassadors-list/2008-October/msg00165.html) > > - According to http://poelstra.fedorapeople.org/schedules/f-10/f-10-art-tasks.html > F10 Release Parties posters work is set from Tue 2008-11-18 to Tue > 2008-11-25. Just my Big thanks with the whole Art Team! > > ---------------------------- > > To-do: > > - confirm events schedule > > - Ask owners/attendees/community is everything is ok (if no, try to help them) > > - Search for writers that want to try to promote F10 Release Events > through the FWN, Fedora Announce > > ---------------------------- > > Just my last thought. > > Remember, the first thing you have to keep in mind is: Enjoy, Enjoy, > Enjoy. That's the most important, if not necessary, priority task you > have to keep in mind. > > If you think there is something that it isn't working, please let us > know and, stay sure, we will help you. > > Best regards > > Francesco Ugolini > So, no reply for now. Is all ok? Let me know, just to adress better tomorrow FAmSCo meeting. Regards Francesco Ugolini -- Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list From rishikesh at fedoraproject.org Fri Oct 31 04:20:18 2008 From: rishikesh at fedoraproject.org (Rishikesh Sharma) Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2008 09:50:18 +0530 Subject: [Ambassadors] Fedora 10 Presentation Message-ID: <7cb778c60810302120w49d9f7dao2111c916391945c0@mail.gmail.com> Hi All, I need a Fedora 10 overview and features presentation (English) to showcase on my upcoming event "Manipur Fedora 10 Release Party and Install Fest 2008" at Imphal on 7 December, 2008. My event url is http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FedoraEvents/ReleaseParty/F10/Manipur I have gone through event resource page and only found presentations for Fedora 8 and 9 only. I request someone to prepare a nice presentation on Fedora 10 overview and features. 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I want to proove Linux is very user > Friendly > > Thanks, > Keiran > > -- > - Fedora Ambasador - > - Free Software Foundation Associate - Hi Keiran, as I saw your E-Mail-adress I wonder about your question ... Don't you know: http://fedoraproject.org/get-fedora or https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FedoraEvents/Organization I guess you forgot them :-) Regards Gerold From affix at fedoraproject.org Fri Oct 31 07:40:13 2008 From: affix at fedoraproject.org (Keiran Smith) Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2008 07:40:13 +0000 Subject: [Ambassadors] Fedora DVDs In-Reply-To: <21206.213.200.224.146.1225438136.squirrel@www.gbc.net> References: <21206.213.200.224.146.1225438136.squirrel@www.gbc.net> Message-ID: Yeah my fedora email address is affix at fedoraproject.org. Forgot to use the dropdown heh. The problem is I am in training with the Royal Air Force and can't Afford blank disks. On Fri, Oct 31, 2008 at 7:28 AM, Gerold wrote: > > Hello Fellow Ambassadors, > > I was wondering how I could get around 100 DVDs to donate to people > > around > > West Lothian College. And to be used for a Fedora 10 Release Party to > > introduce new users to Fedora. > > Ive been using Fedora since Core 1 and before that I used RedHat I want > > other people to experience Fedora and become members of the Open Source > > Community. Alot of C Developers I know are afraid of Linux because of the > > lack of Support for some of the IDEs they use and they dont seem to > > understand the GUI is very simple to use and there are alternatives to > > almost every IDE Windows Has to offer. I want to proove Linux is very > user > > Friendly > > > > Thanks, > > Keiran > > > > -- > > - Fedora Ambasador - > > - Free Software Foundation Associate - > > Hi Keiran, > > as I saw your E-Mail-adress I wonder about your question ... > Don't you know: http://fedoraproject.org/get-fedora or > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FedoraEvents/Organization > I guess you forgot them :-) > > Regards > > Gerold > > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > -- - Fedora Ambasador - - Free Software Foundation Associate - Join the FSF as an Associate Member at: http://www.fsf.org/register_form?referrer=6705 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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The problem is I am in training with the Royal Air Force and > can't Afford blank disks. ^^ take a (ejection)seat and have a look there: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Distribution/FreeMedia regards Gerold From bochecha at fedoraproject.org Fri Oct 31 10:30:17 2008 From: bochecha at fedoraproject.org (Mathieu Bridon (bochecha)) Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2008 11:30:17 +0100 (CET) Subject: [Ambassadors] Fedora 10 Presentation In-Reply-To: <7cb778c60810302120w49d9f7dao2111c916391945c0@mail.gmail.com> References: <7cb778c60810302120w49d9f7dao2111c916391945c0@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <57988.VwBUX1dRCno=.1225449017.squirrel@webmail.no-log.org> Hi, > I request someone to prepare a nice presentation on > Fedora 10 overview and features. I request you to read the release notes, you'll find there everything you need. Regards, ---------- Mathieu Bridon (bochecha) French Fedora Ambassador ---------- "They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety." ~Benjamin Franklin From kam at kamsalisbury.com Fri Oct 31 11:14:31 2008 From: kam at kamsalisbury.com (Kam) Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2008 04:14:31 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Ambassadors] NA Release Party Owners: F10 t-shirt proposal Message-ID: <490ae897.0405be0a.06ca.7e9d@mx.google.com> -----Original Message----- From: "David Nalley" Subj: [Ambassadors] NA Release Party Owners: F10 t-shirt proposal Date: Thu Oct 30, 2008 5:09 pm Size: 686 bytes To: fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com Clint and I were discussing some of the upcoming release issues and he came up with the idea of having an F10 release shirt available. So I am announcing the proposal and 1) trying to gauge interest in the proposal. and 2) Solicit input for the proposal. Clint, in conjunction with at least one member of the art team will be working on the artwork. Feel free to continue this thread with ideas or just flood Clint on irc :) So are you interested in having t-shirts for release events? If so, how would you have them look? Brian and I just started emailing about this (I am rarely on irc due to sleep and firewalls) Maybe something generic is the way to go so the shirts can still be relevant after the release month? -- Kam http://kamsalisbury.com GPG key: FAF1751E From thinklinux.ssh at gmail.com Fri Oct 31 15:45:21 2008 From: thinklinux.ssh at gmail.com (susmit shannigrahi) Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2008 21:15:21 +0530 Subject: [Ambassadors] Call for help from TLDP and a question. Message-ID: Hi list, This _may be_ slightly off topic here. But as it is very much related to Linux and many of us still consult LDP, I can not resist myself from forwarding this to you. Please see the mail below. Please help if you have time. The new URL is wiki.tldp.org. BTW according to jdd , LDP used to be included as RPM in RedHat. If yes, can we include them again if document licences permit? Thanks. Susmit ======================================================================= ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: jdd for http://tldp.org Date: Fri, Oct 31, 2008 at 8:47 PM Subject: Re: [discuss] http://wiki.tldp.org/Page_Status To: Susmit Hello, I see that you work with Fedora. I have two things to do with Fedora :-) * do you know if the ldp HOWTOs are included in the fedora rpms? they used to be in red Hat, but the last time I checked was... extremely long time ago :-( * could you relay to the fedora user's mailing list the need of help for the LDP? thanks jdd -- jdd for the Linux Documentation Project http://wiki.tldp.org http://www.dodin.net From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Fri Oct 31 16:28:09 2008 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2008 21:58:09 +0530 Subject: [Ambassadors] Re: [fedora-india] Call for help from TLDP and a question. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <490B3219.5090907@fedoraproject.org> > Hello, > > I see that you work with Fedora. > > I have two things to do with Fedora :-) > > * do you know if the ldp HOWTOs are included in the fedora rpms? Not anymore but it might be permitted if someone volunteers to package it again. Be aware that packaging guidelines has some restrictions on the type of content permitted however. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/PackageMaintainers/Join http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Packaging/Guidelines#Code_Vs_Content Rahul From ador.fedora at gmail.com Fri Oct 31 16:30:55 2008 From: ador.fedora at gmail.com (Md. Sabrul Jamil) Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2008 22:30:55 +0600 Subject: [Ambassadors] Intro Message-ID: Hello, I am novice in Fedora Ambassadors, and glad to become a member of Fedora Ambassadors Group. Just recently subscribed to the Ambassadors mailing list. I'm a student of EEE ( Electrical & Electronic Engineering) in The University of Asia Pacific , Dhaka, Bangladesh. Personal info: Name: Sabrul Jamil Location: Dhaka, Bangladesh. IRC (Freenode) Nick: ador Google ID: ador.sj E-mail: ador at fedoraproject.org Started in:Fedora Ambassador in Bangladesh. My plans: I wish to become active in Ambassadors, because of that i join to the Ambassadors Group with large plans for Fedora Project in Bangladesh. In Bangladesh there is a very few number of Fedora users , my plan is to enlarge Fedora community in Bangladesh soon. Therefore i wish to recruit additional users and trainee to enlarge community.For the time being, i will be present at Fedora Events in Bangladesh. Maybe i will organize some Event in my city. Glad to become a part of Fedora project and community. Best regards, Sabrul Jamil ador at fedoraproject.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From thinklinux.ssh at gmail.com Fri Oct 31 16:37:05 2008 From: thinklinux.ssh at gmail.com (susmit shannigrahi) Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2008 22:07:05 +0530 Subject: [Ambassadors] Re: [fedora-india] Call for help from TLDP and a question. In-Reply-To: <490B3219.5090907@fedoraproject.org> References: <490B3219.5090907@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: On Fri, Oct 31, 2008 at 9:58 PM, Rahul Sundaram wrote: >> Hello, >> >> I see that you work with Fedora. >> >> I have two things to do with Fedora :-) >> >> * do you know if the ldp HOWTOs are included in the fedora rpms? > > Not anymore but it might be permitted if someone volunteers to package it > again. Be aware that packaging guidelines has some restrictions on the type > of content permitted however. Good, the LDP are moving towards separating the free and non free docs. Once that is done (or a reasonable portion of it is done), I volunteer to take up the packaging. :) Thanks. -- Regards, Susmit. ============================================= ssh 0x86DD170A http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/user:susmit ============================================= From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Fri Oct 31 16:46:04 2008 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2008 22:16:04 +0530 Subject: [Ambassadors] Re: [fedora-india] Call for help from TLDP and a question. In-Reply-To: References: <490B3219.5090907@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <490B364C.1080308@fedoraproject.org> susmit shannigrahi wrote: > On Fri, Oct 31, 2008 at 9:58 PM, Rahul Sundaram > wrote: >>> Hello, >>> >>> I see that you work with Fedora. >>> >>> I have two things to do with Fedora :-) >>> >>> * do you know if the ldp HOWTOs are included in the fedora rpms? >> Not anymore but it might be permitted if someone volunteers to package it >> again. Be aware that packaging guidelines has some restrictions on the type >> of content permitted however. > > Good, the LDP are moving towards separating the free and non free docs. > Once that is done (or a reasonable portion of it is done), I volunteer > to take up the packaging. :) I recommend talking to Spot (cc'ed) to confirm that LDP content would be permitted. Rahul From foxhaund at gmail.com Fri Oct 31 17:09:51 2008 From: foxhaund at gmail.com (Foxhaund) Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2008 20:09:51 +0300 Subject: [Ambassadors] NA Release Party Owners: F10 t-shirt proposal In-Reply-To: <490ae897.0405be0a.06ca.7e9d@mx.google.com> References: <490ae897.0405be0a.06ca.7e9d@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <511774140810311009y5af7d29fp69f296120419ee29@mail.gmail.com> About purchasing of t-shirt. I live in Russia...and as for me - the best way to have such a t-shirt - is to make it by myself. That's why one of the good variants is to publish anniversary-t-shirt design with free access to download imho 2008/10/31 Kam > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: "David Nalley" > Subj: [Ambassadors] NA Release Party Owners: F10 t-shirt proposal > Date: Thu Oct 30, 2008 5:09 pm > Size: 686 bytes > To: fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > > Clint and I were discussing some of the upcoming release issues and he > came up with the idea of having an F10 release shirt available. > > So I am announcing the proposal and 1) trying to gauge interest in the > proposal. and 2) Solicit input for the proposal. > > Clint, in conjunction with at least one member of the art team will be > working on the artwork. > > Feel free to continue this thread with ideas or just flood Clint on irc :) > > So are you interested in having t-shirts for release events? > If so, how would you have them look? > > Brian and I just started emailing about this (I am rarely on irc due to > sleep and firewalls) > > Maybe something generic is the way to go so the shirts can still be > relevant after the release month? > > -- > Kam > http://kamsalisbury.com > GPG key: FAF1751E > > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > -- ____________________________________ Best Regards, Dmitry (Foxhaund) Vorotnikov.| http://foxhaund.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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