[Ambassadors] mentorship, sponsorship, etc.

[Jason Benedict Low]

Roy Ong wrote:
> On Tue, 2009-03-31 at 13:27 +0300, Ewan Luca wrote:
>   
>>                         sorry if i don't understand about this big
>>                         fuss of "Ambassador" ? I see for years Fedora
>>                         is running better and better not only the
>>                         Fedora Core OS but as the whole in community. 
>>                 
>>                 + 1
>>         +1 from me too
>>
>>  
>> -10e1000
>> So, with this, problem solved. Everything it's "just fine". Despite
>> the fact this is the longest thread I saw until now on this mailing
>> list (apart from the useless "me too"). 
>> If we can't agree on a solution to the problem it doesn't mean the
>> problem isn't there! Let's just stick out heads on the sand. "Fedora
>> it's going great!" There is no such thing of Ubuntu (it seems to be
>> tabu to talk about this), there is no such thing as 40% of the
>> registered ambassadors (this is almost 1 in 2 of them!) inactive. The
>> activity of the rest of them consists mainly on asking in vain "what
>> can I do?". I'm sorry but it doesn't seems to me that things are ok at
>> all. 
>> We have every week a few new ambassadors registred. This is really a
>> good thing. But how many of them will end up being real contributors?
>> If we continue like this, we'll have next year 2000 ambassadors (wich
>> looks great on paper) and the next survey will prove that 90% of them
>> are inactive. We might as well create 10000 fictive accounts on Fedora
>> ambassadors list and be proud of our "strenght".
>> I whant to know that this thread will be closed in N days and the
>> decisions are XYand Z. Whatever decisions will come up it will be
>> better that ignoring the problem.
>>
>> Ewan Luca
>>     
>
> The idea about it is that it takes too much effort to "police" the
> system. You can set the bar really high and make it "difficult" to
> achieve the Ambassador status or set it lower and make it all inclusive.
>
> Quantity or Quality? I know we all want Quality ... but how does one
> quantify ambassador behavior that is worthwhile for the community? 
>
> FOR EXAMPLE, imagine if we set up a scoring system that only renews your
> ambassador status for the next month only if you score 500 or higher
> (you will be automatically de-registered from the ambassador system if
> you end the month with less than 500 points)
>
> ->  all ambassadors start with 500 points 
> ->  there is an auto-write down of 100 points every month
> ->  +100 for finishing and completing new ambassador briefing/training
> ->  +100 for successfully initiating and driving a community event
> ->  +100 for delivering an address at an approved event
> ->  -100 for not participating actively/effectively on mailing lists
> ->  -200 for not attending meetings
> ->  -200 for not responding to your fedora emails in a timely fashion 
>
> This system ensures that we will have "active" ambassadors but just how
> many ambassadors will be left at the end of the year? 10? 15? 
>
> Its a tough balancing act. Too many ambassadors and we are seen to be
> ineffective. Too few ambassadors and others may feel that its only an
> "exclusive" few that get to "promote" Fedora.
>
> While I definitely agree that "772 Ambassadors in FAS, 300 were
> inactive" as shown in Max's initial email on 26 Mar 2009 is high, at
> this time, we just need a simple mechanism to "remove" these inactive
> accounts and keep going. No point spending too much time and effort to
> monitor these inactive accounts. Let's spend time on the core efforts
> instead. 
>
> My personal 2cents ...
>
> (a) if you do not have valid contact information on your wiki page, it
> tells the world that you are not willing to have others contact you
>
> (b) if you do not keep a valid email address on the FAS system, it shows
> that you don't want the administrator to contact you
>
> (c) if you don't want the world to contact you and you don't want the
> administrator to contact you ... then shouldn't you be excused from the
> ambassador list?
>
> If this (a) + (b) + (c) brings the list down to a reasonable size, then
> we would have achieve the objective. Its simple and shouldn't annoy
> anyone ....... or at least, that's what I hope :)
>   

+1 :-)

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Best Regards,
Jason
Singapore Fedora Ambassador
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