From hagr182 at gmail.com Sun Feb 1 01:32:21 2009 From: hagr182 at gmail.com (Hector Alfonso Gonzalez Ramirez) Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2009 19:32:21 -0600 Subject: [Ambassadors] I Love LUCI -- Linux UC Irvine in April 2009 In-Reply-To: <7a0d56080901310055v12f72e07v39c296a1793770bb@mail.gmail.com> References: <7a0d56080901310055v12f72e07v39c296a1793770bb@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1d24cdf80901311732n652436c8q69b409353e62b709@mail.gmail.com> I would participate, tough im currently semi broke and living in mexico, so I couldnt attend, But please invite me to any other event in the near future, if my economics allow it ill go 2009/1/31 Larry Cafiero > Hi, all -- > > Of particular interest to North American folks: Over the past couple of > weeks Joseph Smidt and I have discussed an event to be held at the > University of California Irvine in the spring. Originally, I was going to > give a mere presentation at UCI, but after lengthy discussions, it has grown > into something larger. > > What Joseph has come up with is Linux UC Irvine -- LUCI -- an event which > will take place in April of this year. > > LUCI serves as an introduction of Linux to the students and faculty of the > university, as well as serving as a basis for starting a Linux Users Group > on campus and, as a long-range goal, holding twice-a-year Linux festivals > every year on campus. > > While the format for this inaugural event needs to be hashed out -- I'm > imagining a presentation along with demonstrations of Fedora would be a main > ingredient of the event -- and other logistical facets need to be addressed, > I wanted to make everyone aware of this event and ask anyone in the Southern > California area (as well as anyone else who might be interested) who wants > to participate to contact either Joseph or me. > > The wiki for this event is at https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/LUCI > > Thanks, Joseph, for carrying the ball on this project and I'm hoping others > will join up. > > This project, of course, is in the planning stages, and Joseph and I can > answer any questions (and, Joseph, if I missed anything, feel free to jump > in here). > > Larry Cafiero > > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From steven.moix at axianet.ch Sun Feb 1 08:29:47 2009 From: steven.moix at axianet.ch (Steven Moix) Date: Sun, 01 Feb 2009 09:29:47 +0100 Subject: [Ambassadors] Freemedia + Unity Re-Spins, Thoughts? In-Reply-To: <4984C635.4050901@kanarip.com> References: <4982BCCE.8030700@fedoraproject.org> <4983567F.3000604@fedoraproject.org> <4984C635.4050901@kanarip.com> Message-ID: <1233476987.2816.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> Hello, On Sat, 2009-01-31 at 22:44 +0100, Jeroen van Meeuwen wrote: > For the record, the Fedora Unity Re-Spins are very well tested; We use > the same test cases as Fedora QA does for a given release, and often add > additional tests for things we think may have been fixed in the various > applications related to the installation procedures, and even fix those > ourselves if need be. Are these test cases/procedures available somewhere? I'm interested in them for my own remixes :) Thanks Steven From kanarip at kanarip.com Sun Feb 1 08:59:39 2009 From: kanarip at kanarip.com (Jeroen van Meeuwen) Date: Sun, 01 Feb 2009 09:59:39 +0100 Subject: [Ambassadors] Freemedia + Unity Re-Spins, Thoughts? In-Reply-To: <1233476987.2816.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <4982BCCE.8030700@fedoraproject.org> <4983567F.3000604@fedoraproject.org> <4984C635.4050901@kanarip.com> <1233476987.2816.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <4985647B.9050405@kanarip.com> Steven Moix wrote: > Hello, > > On Sat, 2009-01-31 at 22:44 +0100, Jeroen van Meeuwen wrote: >> For the record, the Fedora Unity Re-Spins are very well tested; We use >> the same test cases as Fedora QA does for a given release, and often add >> additional tests for things we think may have been fixed in the various >> applications related to the installation procedures, and even fix those >> ourselves if need be. > > Are these test cases/procedures available somewhere? I'm interested in > them for my own remixes :) > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Category:Installer_Test_Cases Kind regards, Jeroen van Meeuwen -kanarip From angel at linux.org.bd Sun Feb 1 09:30:28 2009 From: angel at linux.org.bd (Ashiqur Rahman Angel) Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2009 15:30:28 +0600 Subject: [Ambassadors] Fedora 11: What do we expect? Message-ID: Hi, It?s almost one year, I am with the Fedora community. In this one year, I met so many great people from Fedora community. I have visited hundreds of forums, mailing lists. I meet so many people who uses Fedora (also who doesn?t). I have learned so many things from them. Some of them are happy using Fedora and some them are not. And I think, as a community member, it?s my responsibility to inform you guys about some issues that I think, why people doesnt like to use Fedora or switching to other distros. And something, that we need to fix. 1. Need to include RPM Fusion with Fedora 11 default installation (but not activated, like Fedora test repo or raw hide, as we don?t include proprietary software). If this is not possible (may be because of some legal issue), then I?ll say, we need a working GUI solution to install RPM Fusion. According to RPM Fusion they explained a GUI solution to install the repo, but most of the time, it doesnt work at all (I myself, tested thousands time, also so many people there has, who tried, I searched for the solution, everyone give me CLI solution). And KPackage Kit can?t install it. So we need a solution that will work for GNOME and KDE both. 2. Need a GUI solution to install nVidia and ATI driver, that will automatically install the appropriate driver (Ubuntu has a GUI *Hardware Drivers *options that automatically download and install the driver, also they have Envy, its another GUI solution) 3. Need a GUI solution to install all kind of proprietary Multimedia codecs (Ubuntu has ubuntu-restricted-extras, they simply select it from package manager, and it installs all kind of codecs including JAVA) 4. Need a complete GUI solution to install softwares offline from cache (ofcourse if it can fix the dependency) or DVD Media. 5. There has a very easy way to install a rpm package from CLI (one single package, that has not any dependency issue or if it has, it?s possible to install the package by ignoring it). But from Fedora 9, GUI double click rpm install doesnt work at all. So, we need a GUI solution of it. 6. Need to add CD/DVD repo with Fedora 11 default installation, so people can use DVD to install softwares. 7. From /etc/yum.conf we need to edit keepcache=0 to 1 as default. So people can use the cache to install software later or to some other PC. Many of you will say, why we are following Ubuntu? Well, I?ll say, no, we are not following them. This is the truth, what users want. And many of you will think, this ideas are stupid, but truth is If this issues we can fix, for sure, so many people will start using Fedora. My apologies, if I am wrong anywhere. -- Angel GPG key: 0x34001F46 Bangladesh Linux Users Alliance Fedora Ambassador Bangladesh http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Angel Fedora -- Freedom? and rapid innovation -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From angel at linux.org.bd Sun Feb 1 13:31:22 2009 From: angel at linux.org.bd (Ashiqur Rahman Angel) Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2009 19:31:22 +0600 Subject: [Ambassadors] Re: Fedora 11: What do we expect? In-Reply-To: <635d8d560902010526g531bbd09qbb2c4ebfecda8f5c@mail.gmail.com> References: <635d8d560902010526g531bbd09qbb2c4ebfecda8f5c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Thanks. Ok. I am forwarding it there. On Sun, Feb 1, 2009 at 7:26 PM, Jonathan Roberts wrote: > 2009/2/1 Ashiqur Rahman Angel : > > Hi, > > > > It?s almost one year, I am with the Fedora community. In this one year, I > > met so many great people from Fedora community. I have visited hundreds > of > > forums, mailing lists. I meet so many people who uses Fedora (also who > > doesn?t). I have learned so many things from them. Some of them are > happy > > using Fedora and some them are not. And I think, as a community member, > it?s > > my responsibility to inform you guys about some issues that I think, why > > people doesnt like to use Fedora or switching to other distros. And > > something, that we need to fix. > > You'd probably be far better off discussing this on > fedora-devel-list at redhat.com > > Jon > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > -- Angel GPG key: 0x34001F46 Bangladesh Linux Users Alliance Fedora Ambassador Bangladesh http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Angel Fedora -- Freedom? and rapid innovation -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From chitlesh.goorah at gmail.com Sun Feb 1 14:05:45 2009 From: chitlesh.goorah at gmail.com (Chitlesh GOORAH) Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2009 15:05:45 +0100 Subject: [Ambassadors] FOSDEM In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <50baabb30902010605v1678af72m2837fbaf15d6d601@mail.gmail.com> On Thu, Jan 29, 2009 at 9:24 PM, Max Spevack wrote: > Are there any remaining questions, or organizational topics that need to be > addressed for FOSDEM? I was wondering whether there is sort of fedora social party saturday night ? We'll be more than 30 this time and during fosdem hours everyone will be scattered around. I believe if an internal gettogether would be feasible ? cheers Chitlesh From thomas.canniot at mrtomlinux.org Sun Feb 1 14:17:24 2009 From: thomas.canniot at mrtomlinux.org (Thomas Canniot) Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2009 15:17:24 +0100 Subject: [Ambassadors] REMINDER French Meeting today 1930UTC #fedora-meeting Message-ID: <20090201151724.5de6f68d@mrtomlinux.org> This mail is a reminder for today?s meeting for French ambassadors and _every_ interested people. 2009-02-01 / 19:30 UTC IRC: freenode #fedora-meeting Ce mail est un rappel pour la r?union des ambassadeurs francophones, qui aura lieu ce dimanche (2 fev.) ? 20h30 heure de Paris sur IRC (freenode) #fedora-meeting . L'ordre du jour est disponible depuis cette page : http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/FrenchTeam/Reunions N'h?sitez pas ? le modifier pour rajouter des sujets qui vous semblent int?ressants. Thomas Canniot -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 197 bytes Desc: not available URL: From mohaas05 at gmail.com Sun Feb 1 15:18:01 2009 From: mohaas05 at gmail.com (Kanin Horvath) Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2009 10:18:01 -0500 Subject: [Ambassadors] Re: Fedora 11: What do we expect? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8D52B6E0-973C-49D4-A654-A4950C3602AC@gmail.com> The goal of fedora isn't to make it super easy for new users to Linux. That's ubuntu's job. Fedora aims to be a free, usable OS. I agree with some of your points but I don't think they are part of the goals of Fedora. Fedora isn't meant to compete with other operating systems. It aims to provide an independent solution to users. -- Kamin Horvath Fedora Ambassadors USA http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/user:mohaas05 On Feb 1, 2009, at 4:30 AM, Ashiqur Rahman Angel wrote: > Hi, > It?s almost one year, I am with the Fedora community. In this one ye > ar, I met so many great people from Fedora community. I have visited > hundreds of forums, mailing lists. I meet so many people who uses F > edora (also who doesn?t). I have learned so many things from them. > Some of them are happy using Fedora and some them are not. And I thi > nk, as a community member, it?s my responsibility to inform you guys > about some issues that I think, why people doesnt like to use Fedor > a or switching to other distros. And something, that we need to fix. > > 1. Need to include RPM Fusion with Fedora 11 default installation > (but not activated, like Fedora test repo or raw hide, as we don?t i > nclude proprietary software). If this is not possible (may be becaus > e of some legal issue), then I?ll say, we need a working GUI solutio > n to install RPM Fusion. According to RPM Fusion they explained a GU > I solution to install the repo, but most of the time, it doesnt work > at all (I myself, tested thousands time, also so many people there > has, who tried, I searched for the solution, everyone give me CLI so > lution). And KPackage Kit can?t install it. So we need a solution th > at will work for GNOME and KDE both. > > 2. Need a GUI solution to install nVidia and ATI driver, that will > automatically install the appropriate driver (Ubuntu has a GUI > Hardware Drivers options that automatically download and install the > driver, also they have Envy, its another GUI solution) > > 3. Need a GUI solution to install all kind of proprietary Multimedia > codecs (Ubuntu has ubuntu-restricted-extras, they simply select it > from package manager, and it installs all kind of codecs including > JAVA) > 4. Need a complete GUI solution to install softwares offline from > cache (ofcourse if it can fix the dependency) or DVD Media. > > 5. There has a very easy way to install a rpm package from CLI (one > single package, that has not any dependency issue or if it has, it?s > possible to install the package by ignoring it). But from Fedora 9, > GUI double click rpm install doesnt work at all. So, we need a GUI > solution of it. > > 6. Need to add CD/DVD repo with Fedora 11 default installation, so > people can use DVD to install softwares. > > 7. From /etc/yum.conf we need to edit keepcache=0 to 1 as default. > So people can use the cache to install software later or to some > other PC. > > Many of you will say, why we are following Ubuntu? Well, I?ll say, n > o, we are not following them. This is the truth, what users want. An > d many of you will think, this ideas are stupid, but truth is If thi > s issues we can fix, for sure, so many people will start using Fedor > a. My apologies, if I am wrong anywhere. > > > -- > Angel > GPG key: 0x34001F46 > Bangladesh Linux Users Alliance > Fedora Ambassador Bangladesh > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Angel > > Fedora -- Freedom? and rapid innovation > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From angel at linux.org.bd Sun Feb 1 15:41:48 2009 From: angel at linux.org.bd (Ashiqur Rahman Angel) Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2009 10:41:48 -0500 Subject: [Ambassadors] Re: Fedora 11: What do we expect? In-Reply-To: <8D52B6E0-973C-49D4-A654-A4950C3602AC@gmail.com> References: <8D52B6E0-973C-49D4-A654-A4950C3602AC@gmail.com> Message-ID: According to Fedora Devel List, I have got some hope about this issues I have explained. May be soon we will get all the solutions. If not in this release (Fedora 11), then may be in Fedora 12. Thanks. 2009/2/1 Kanin Horvath > The goal of fedora isn't to make it super easy for new users to Linux. > That's ubuntu's job. Fedora aims to be a free, usable OS. I agree with some > of your points but I don't think they are part of the goals of Fedora. > > Fedora isn't meant to compete with other operating systems. It aims to > provide an independent solution to users. > > -- > Kamin Horvath > Fedora Ambassadors USA > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/user:mohaas05 > > > On Feb 1, 2009, at 4:30 AM, Ashiqur Rahman Angel > wrote: > > Hi, > > It?s almost one year, I am with the Fedora community. In this one year, I > met so many great people from Fedora community. I have visited hundreds of > forums, mailing lists. I meet so many people who uses Fedora (also who > doesn?t). I have learned so many things from them. Some of them are happy > using Fedora and some them are not. And I think, as a community member, it?s > my responsibility to inform you guys about some issues that I think, why > people doesnt like to use Fedora or switching to other distros. And > something, that we need to fix. > > 1. Need to include RPM Fusion with Fedora 11 default installation (but not > activated, like Fedora test repo or raw hide, as we don?t include > proprietary software). If this is not possible (may be because of some legal > issue), then I?ll say, we need a working GUI solution to install RPM Fusion. > According to RPM Fusion they > explained a GUI solution to install the repo, but most of the time, it > doesnt work at all (I myself, tested thousands time, also so many people > there has, who tried, I searched for the solution, everyone give me CLI > solution). And KPackage Kit can?t install it. So we need a solution that > will work for GNOME and KDE both. > > 2. Need a GUI solution to install nVidia and ATI driver, that will > automatically install the appropriate driver (Ubuntu has a GUI *Hardware > Drivers *options that automatically download and install the driver, also > they have Envy, its another GUI solution) > > 3. Need a GUI solution to install all kind of proprietary Multimedia codecs > (Ubuntu has ubuntu-restricted-extras, they simply select it from package > manager, and it installs all kind of codecs including JAVA) > > 4. Need a complete GUI solution to install softwares offline from cache > (ofcourse if it can fix the dependency) or DVD Media. > > 5. There has a very easy way to install a rpm package from CLI (one single > package, that has not any dependency issue or if it has, it?s possible to > install the package by ignoring it). But from Fedora 9, GUI double click rpm > install doesnt work at all. So, we need a GUI solution of it. > > 6. Need to add CD/DVD repo with Fedora 11 default installation, so people > can use DVD to install softwares. > > 7. From /etc/yum.conf we need to edit keepcache=0 to 1 as default. So > people can use the cache to install software later or to some other PC. > > Many of you will say, why we are following Ubuntu? Well, I?ll say, no, we > are not following them. This is the truth, what users want. And many of you > will think, this ideas are stupid, but truth is If this issues we can fix, > for sure, so many people will start using Fedora. My apologies, if I am > wrong anywhere. > > > -- > Angel > GPG key: 0x34001F46 > Bangladesh Linux Users Alliance > Fedora Ambassador Bangladesh > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Angel > > Fedora -- Freedom? and rapid innovation > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > -- Angel GPG key: 0x34001F46 Bangladesh Linux Users Alliance Fedora Ambassador Bangladesh http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Angel Fedora -- Freedom? and rapid innovation -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From danishka at gmail.com Sun Feb 1 16:09:23 2009 From: danishka at gmail.com (Danishka Navin) Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2009 21:39:23 +0530 Subject: [Ambassadors] Re: Fedora 11: What do we expect? In-Reply-To: <8D52B6E0-973C-49D4-A654-A4950C3602AC@gmail.com> References: <8D52B6E0-973C-49D4-A654-A4950C3602AC@gmail.com> Message-ID: 2009/2/1 Kanin Horvath > The goal of fedora isn't to make it super easy for new users to Linux. > > That's ubuntu's job. > Whats wrong with "super easy" Operating System if it include all security capabilities? To whom you are developing this? Is this for geeks? or for every one (including new users)? > > > Fedora aims to be a free, usable OS. I agree with some of your points but I > don't think they are part of the goals of Fedora. > > Fedora isn't meant to compete with other operating systems. It aims to > provide an independent solution to users. > > -- > Kamin Horvath > Fedora Ambassadors USA > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/user:mohaas05 > > > On Feb 1, 2009, at 4:30 AM, Ashiqur Rahman Angel > wrote: > > Hi, > > It?s almost one year, I am with the Fedora community. In this one year, I > met so many great people from Fedora community. I have visited hundreds of > forums, mailing lists. I meet so many people who uses Fedora (also who > doesn?t). I have learned so many things from them. Some of them are happy > using Fedora and some them are not. And I think, as a community member, it?s > my responsibility to inform you guys about some issues that I think, why > people doesnt like to use Fedora or switching to other distros. And > something, that we need to fix. > > 1. Need to include RPM Fusion with Fedora 11 default installation (but not > activated, like Fedora test repo or raw hide, as we don?t include > proprietary software). If this is not possible (may be because of some legal > issue), then I?ll say, we need a working GUI solution to install RPM Fusion. > According to RPM Fusion they > explained a GUI solution to install the repo, but most of the time, it > doesnt work at all (I myself, tested thousands time, also so many people > there has, who tried, I searched for the solution, everyone give me CLI > solution). And KPackage Kit can?t install it. So we need a solution that > will work for GNOME and KDE both. > > 2. Need a GUI solution to install nVidia and ATI driver, that will > automatically install the appropriate driver (Ubuntu has a GUI *Hardware > Drivers *options that automatically download and install the driver, also > they have Envy, its another GUI solution) > > 3. Need a GUI solution to install all kind of proprietary Multimedia codecs > (Ubuntu has ubuntu-restricted-extras, they simply select it from package > manager, and it installs all kind of codecs including JAVA) > > 4. Need a complete GUI solution to install softwares offline from cache > (ofcourse if it can fix the dependency) or DVD Media. > > 5. There has a very easy way to install a rpm package from CLI (one single > package, that has not any dependency issue or if it has, it?s possible to > install the package by ignoring it). But from Fedora 9, GUI double click rpm > install doesnt work at all. So, we need a GUI solution of it. > > 6. Need to add CD/DVD repo with Fedora 11 default installation, so people > can use DVD to install softwares. > > 7. From /etc/yum.conf we need to edit keepcache=0 to 1 as default. So > people can use the cache to install software later or to some other PC. > > Many of you will say, why we are following Ubuntu? Well, I?ll say, no, we > are not following them. This is the truth, what users want. And many of you > will think, this ideas are stupid, but truth is If this issues we can fix, > for sure, so many people will start using Fedora. My apologies, if I am > wrong anywhere. > > > -- > Angel > GPG key: 0x34001F46 > Bangladesh Linux Users Alliance > Fedora Ambassador Bangladesh > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Angel > > Fedora -- Freedom? and rapid innovation > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > > > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > > -- Danishka Navin http://danishkanavin.blogspot.com (use Sinhala Unicode fonts) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jsimon at fedoraproject.org Sun Feb 1 16:56:36 2009 From: jsimon at fedoraproject.org (Joerg Simon) Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2009 17:56:36 +0100 Subject: [Ambassadors] Re: Fedora 11: What do we expect? In-Reply-To: References: <8D52B6E0-973C-49D4-A654-A4950C3602AC@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200902011756.40759.jsimon@fedoraproject.org> On Sunday 01 February 2009 17:09:23 Danishka Navin wrote: > Whats wrong with "super easy" Operating System if it include all security > capabilities? > > To whom you are developing this? > Is this for geeks? or for every one (including new users)? if it compromise our freedom then it can easy as pie, then we do not want it please stop to crosspost this thread across 3 different Mailing Lists. CU Joerg -- Joerg (kital) Simon jsimon at fedoraproject.org http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/JoergSimon http://kitall.blogspot.com Key Fingerprint: 3691 0989 2DCA 58A2 8D1F 2CAC C823 558E 5B5B 5688 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 197 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part. URL: From kanarip at kanarip.com Sun Feb 1 17:14:52 2009 From: kanarip at kanarip.com (Jeroen van Meeuwen) Date: Sun, 01 Feb 2009 18:14:52 +0100 Subject: [Ambassadors] Fedora In-Reply-To: <200901302046.30469.jsimon@fedoraproject.org> References: <200901302046.30469.jsimon@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <4985D88C.4040204@kanarip.com> Joerg Simon wrote: > Dear Ambassadors, > > right now some so called FOSS events appear with a target audience which is > more focused for government agencies and bussines. To have Speakers at that > events could be a great chance for Fedora to attract them for sponsoring or > contribution. Here are some points i have made already in a discussion with a > small group of people before. Francesco suggested to invite all Ambassadors to > participate in this discussion. > > There are several topics that we could place to attract government agencies > and business, i am sure they will not know about that right now - and i hope > that we find more here on that list - or like Francesco suggested collect in a > WikiPage. > > - Company & Inhouse Builds! - a company who build software as FOSS or modify > FOSS for their own Enterprise Servers can use the benefit of Fedora Processes > and Infrastructure as well as the wide spreading of our Distribution with > contributing to Fedora + EPEL - this is good for the company and for Fedora. > This could be enhanced by a technical Track, to show them how they can package > and spread their Software within own Fedora Spins ... > This also goes to companies building (proprietary?) applications for commercial purposes, and stepping up to both maintaining the dependency stack for their application, as well as getting their dependencies packaged. Of course, this goes through Fedora, and would end up in EPEL for them and their customers to use on their Enterprise Linux systems. Kind regards, Jeroen van Meeuwen -kanarip From josephsmidt at gmail.com Sun Feb 1 17:22:42 2009 From: josephsmidt at gmail.com (Joseph Smidt) Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2009 09:22:42 -0800 Subject: [Ambassadors] Re: Fedora 11: What do we expect? In-Reply-To: References: <8D52B6E0-973C-49D4-A654-A4950C3602AC@gmail.com> Message-ID: <142682e10902010922v49c4cc21xdbe707d93cd09be8@mail.gmail.com> I think we are attacking the wrong goal. What people want is that their OS "Just Works". What Fedora really needs to do is find a legal way to make all of these things "Just Work". As long as the OS just works, newbies will love it. Most people don't care if their driver came from Nvidia or not, as long as it just works and gives equal performance. Joseph Smidt -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Joseph Smidt Physics and Astronomy 4129 Frederick Reines Hall Irvine, CA 92697-4575 Office: 949-824-3269 From angel at linux.org.bd Sun Feb 1 17:28:01 2009 From: angel at linux.org.bd (Ashiqur Rahman Angel) Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2009 23:28:01 +0600 Subject: [Ambassadors] Re: Fedora 11: What do we expect? In-Reply-To: <142682e10902010922v49c4cc21xdbe707d93cd09be8@mail.gmail.com> References: <8D52B6E0-973C-49D4-A654-A4950C3602AC@gmail.com> <142682e10902010922v49c4cc21xdbe707d93cd09be8@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Exactly, what I wanted to say. On Sun, Feb 1, 2009 at 11:22 PM, Joseph Smidt wrote: > I think we are attacking the wrong goal. What people want is > that their OS "Just Works". > > What Fedora really needs to do is find a legal way to make all of > these things "Just Work". As long as the OS just works, newbies will > love it. > > Most people don't care if their driver came from Nvidia or not, > as long as it just works and gives equal performance. > > Joseph Smidt > -- > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Joseph Smidt > > Physics and Astronomy > 4129 Frederick Reines Hall > Irvine, CA 92697-4575 > Office: 949-824-3269 > > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > -- Angel GPG key: 0x34001F46 Bangladesh Linux Users Alliance Fedora Ambassador Bangladesh http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Angel Fedora -- Freedom? and rapid innovation -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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True, this could be a easier way for them! -- Joerg (kital) Simon jsimon at fedoraproject.org http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/JoergSimon http://kitall.blogspot.com Key Fingerprint: 3691 0989 2DCA 58A2 8D1F 2CAC C823 558E 5B5B 5688 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 197 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part. URL: From felix at fetzig.org Sun Feb 1 19:32:40 2009 From: felix at fetzig.org (Felix Kaechele) Date: Sun, 01 Feb 2009 20:32:40 +0100 Subject: [Ambassadors] Re: Fedora 11: What do we expect? In-Reply-To: <200902011756.40759.jsimon@fedoraproject.org> References: <8D52B6E0-973C-49D4-A654-A4950C3602AC@gmail.com> <200902011756.40759.jsimon@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <4985F8D8.3010209@fetzig.org> Joerg Simon schrieb: > if it compromise our freedom then it can easy as pie, then we do not want it Im totally with you. It should be our task to do lobby-work to have more and more open standards in the world. This will eventually lead to more open source thinking. However, basically, nowadays people tend to chose solutions that "Just Works"(tm) without caring whether it impedes their personal freedom or not. While this pretty dumb, people often aren't aware that certain things (in this case software) aren't free even if they are free of cost. I think the Ambassadors should more actively explain the difference between gratis and libre [1] to the people. What I really hate to read is that some people are of the opinion that Fedora is not aimed to be an easy-to-use distro. Is this really one goal of Fedora _not_ to be that? I find Fedora pretty easy to use. However I also think that Fedora has more rough edges than other distros. Also I don't know in which way it impedes my freedom not to be able to choose proprietary software. So it would greatly enhance freedom to include some kind of integration of RPMFusion into Fedora. While I would always prefer free software over proprietary software there are many many people who don't. I experienced that some members of the Fedora community pro actively try to hinder people from using proprietary software and thus imposing some kind of mindset on them. I'd rather direct those people to some good literature on open source and free software (as opposed to proprietary software) and let them think again. Felix [1]: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gratis_versus_Libre From felix at fetzig.org Sun Feb 1 19:57:25 2009 From: felix at fetzig.org (Felix Kaechele) Date: Sun, 01 Feb 2009 20:57:25 +0100 Subject: [Ambassadors] FOSDEM In-Reply-To: <50baabb30902010605v1678af72m2837fbaf15d6d601@mail.gmail.com> References: <50baabb30902010605v1678af72m2837fbaf15d6d601@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4985FEA5.7090002@fetzig.org> Chitlesh GOORAH schrieb: > I was wondering whether there is sort of fedora social party saturday night ? > We'll be more than 30 this time and during fosdem hours everyone will > be scattered around. I believe if an internal gettogether would be > feasible ? + over 9000 I would really appreciate such party as I think it would be really essential to get in touch with the other people whose names all too often run across my screen. We could have some beers! Felix From jsimon at fedoraproject.org Sun Feb 1 20:19:47 2009 From: jsimon at fedoraproject.org (Joerg Simon) Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2009 21:19:47 +0100 Subject: [Ambassadors] Re: Fedora 11: What do we expect? In-Reply-To: <4985F8D8.3010209@fetzig.org> References: <200902011756.40759.jsimon@fedoraproject.org> <4985F8D8.3010209@fetzig.org> Message-ID: <200902012119.51264.jsimon@fedoraproject.org> On Sunday 01 February 2009 20:32:40 Felix Kaechele wrote: > Also I don't know in which way it impedes my freedom not to be able to > choose proprietary software. It is not only the Freedom to choose it is also Freedom for Fedora! We had a similar discussion already - CodecBuddy is history - i think this old thread give some nice points matching to this topic as well: CU Joerg -- Joerg (kital) Simon jsimon at fedoraproject.org http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/JoergSimon http://kitall.blogspot.com Key Fingerprint: 3691 0989 2DCA 58A2 8D1F 2CAC C823 558E 5B5B 5688 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 197 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part. URL: From robert at fedoraproject.org Sun Feb 1 20:27:55 2009 From: robert at fedoraproject.org (Robert Scheck) Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2009 21:27:55 +0100 Subject: [Ambassadors] Re: Fedora 11: What do we expect? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20090201202755.GA16859@hurricane.linuxnetz.de> On Sun, 01 Feb 2009, Ashiqur Rahman Angel wrote: > I didnt know this, Fedora's objective is, to make proprietary software > installation difficult. If this is, then I am sorry for the mail, I dont > have anything to say. "The Fedora Project is out front for you, leading the advancement of free, open software and content." - I can't read "proprietary software" there at all. As the sentence of our homepage says, we're focussed to free software and content, not to proprietary and closed source stuff. Speaking from the view of an ambassador, I hope, that you don't communicate ever such statements as above to users when acting as ambassador or when representing Fedora. Surely you didn't meant the sentence such hard as you have written it, nevertheless it seems you're lacking basics about Fedora. Please read http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ForbiddenItems carefully in order to understand what Fedora is doing and why things are so as they are - and especially regarding proprietary software, there called "forbidden items". The unlucky thing is, that third-party vendors are making the installation of their software unnecessarily hard by themself. So if they would license their software as open source, it would be much more easy to integrate them into Fedora or even ship their software, driver or whatelse as part of our Linux distribution. As ambassador your work around proprietary software should be to show stuff mentioned above to the Fedora users out there and explain them, that they need to get in touch with their closed source vendor and bother the vendor hard enough, that the licensing maybe gets changed or better integrateable (e.g. the vendor optimizes that by the use of own Fedora repositories) into Fedora and other Linux distributions. Most important thing around is: Proprietary software itself must not be bad at all, I understand that companies need to make money. But if then a user complains about, he or she needs to get pointed by an ambassador to the cause of that. We can't solve things, we are not responsible for. Of course the people supporting RPM Fusion's non-free repository are doing a very well job. But nevertheless it would be better, if we wouldn't have need for such a repository at all - I think we all can agree on this. So please get more involved into Fedora and try to get the lacking basics about Fedora. Ask people around the project, eg. Fedora Ambassadors, Fedora Ambassador Mentors or similar. This mailinglist can also be used to clarify such things, but avoid cross-posting over several mailing lists. Finally, I didn't want to blame you at all here, futhermore trying to lower your current deficits. Hopefully you're getting it also that way - thanks. Greetings, Robert From ppapadeas at gmail.com Sun Feb 1 22:10:31 2009 From: ppapadeas at gmail.com (Papadeas Pierros) Date: Mon, 02 Feb 2009 00:10:31 +0200 Subject: [Ambassadors] FOSDEM In-Reply-To: <4985FEA5.7090002@fetzig.org> References: <50baabb30902010605v1678af72m2837fbaf15d6d601@mail.gmail.com> <4985FEA5.7090002@fetzig.org> Message-ID: <1233526231.3543.7.camel@morpheus.mygroup> On Sun, 2009-02-01 at 20:57 +0100, Felix Kaechele wrote: > Chitlesh GOORAH schrieb: > > > I was wondering whether there is sort of fedora social party saturday night ? > > We'll be more than 30 this time and during fosdem hours everyone will > > be scattered around. I believe if an internal gettogether would be > > feasible ? > > + over 9000 > > I would really appreciate such party as I think it would be really > essential to get in touch with the other people whose names all too > often run across my screen. > > We could have some beers! > > Felix +9000^2 :P It would be a wonderful meeting! Maybe we could get to our hotels after the event and say an hour to meet downtown. Chlitesh is it possible to book a pub (or sth like that) in advance for ~30 person? Because i think it would be difficult to drag 30 people around to find a spot for beer. ~? -- Pierros Papadeas PGP key: 0x6130DBF8 liknus @ GRnet , Freenode -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 197 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From stickster at gmail.com Sun Feb 1 22:58:07 2009 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2009 17:58:07 -0500 Subject: [Ambassadors] Fedora DVDs for Red Hat AUS In-Reply-To: References: <20090130200221.GM28663@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <20090201225807.GF9993@localhost.localdomain> On Fri, Jan 30, 2009 at 08:32:36PM -0500, Max Spevack wrote: > On Fri, 30 Jan 2009, Clint Savage wrote: > >>> https://fedorahosted.org/famnarequests/ >> >> I also think we should send as many as would be the best pricing of *at >> least* 40 discs. I'd hate to send only 40 and them ask a week later for >> another 40. >> >> Thoughts? > > Nice to send them some stuff to take care of the one-off request, of > course. > > But my real thought is: > > Why aren't the RH folks in Australia just making their own, and (if > necessary) asking for permission to charge it to the Community budget? That's a good question, and I did ask them about it -- I think it's simply a matter of the clock running low. But if setup costs for a small run would make these discs cost $5 apiece (just a hypothetical), wouldn't you prefer to be footing the bill at <$1 apiece instead, as long as they're not depleting our stock by the hundreds? -- Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available URL: From stickster at gmail.com Sun Feb 1 22:59:26 2009 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2009 17:59:26 -0500 Subject: [Ambassadors] Fedora DVDs for Red Hat AUS In-Reply-To: References: <20090130200221.GM28663@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <20090201225926.GG9993@localhost.localdomain> On Fri, Jan 30, 2009 at 08:32:36PM -0500, Max Spevack wrote: > On Fri, 30 Jan 2009, Clint Savage wrote: > >>> https://fedorahosted.org/famnarequests/ >> >> I also think we should send as many as would be the best pricing of *at >> least* 40 discs. I'd hate to send only 40 and them ask a week later for >> another 40. >> >> Thoughts? > > Nice to send them some stuff to take care of the one-off request, of > course. > > But my real thought is: > > Why aren't the RH folks in Australia just making their own, and (if > necessary) asking for permission to charge it to the Community budget? Also, I wanted to point out that I don't think Red Hat AUS should be given any special consideration over other needs. 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If this is, then I am sorry for the mail, I dont > > have anything to say. > > > Speaking from the view of an ambassador, I hope, that you don't communicate > ever such statements as above to users when acting as ambassador or when > representing Fedora. Surely you didn't meant the sentence such hard as you > have written it, nevertheless it seems you're lacking basics about Fedora. > What do you expect his reply when someone from project says him ?You're not the first one to make these suggestions. Parroting them like a broken record isn't going to change any of the above. Sorry.? Dont you think, his sentence is also as hard as his? > > Please read http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ForbiddenItems carefully in > order > to understand what Fedora is doing and why things are so as they are - and > especially regarding proprietary software, there called "forbidden items". > > The unlucky thing is, that third-party vendors are making the installation > of their software unnecessarily hard by themself. So if they would license > their software as open source, it would be much more easy to integrate them > into Fedora or even ship their software, driver or whatelse as part of our > Linux distribution. > I am wondering, how Ubuntu make this third-party repo and packages installation easier. If they can, why we can?t? > As ambassador your work around proprietary software should be to show stuff > mentioned above to the Fedora users out there and explain them, that they > need to get in touch with their closed source vendor and bother the vendor > hard enough, that the licensing maybe gets changed or better integrateable > (e.g. the vendor optimizes that by the use of own Fedora repositories) into > Fedora and other Linux distributions. > > Most important thing around is: Proprietary software itself must not be bad > at all, I understand that companies need to make money. But if then a user > complains about, he or she needs to get pointed by an ambassador to the > cause of that. We can't solve things, we are not responsible for. Of course > the people supporting RPM Fusion's non-free repository are doing a very > well job. But nevertheless it would be better, if we wouldn't have need for > such a repository at all - I think we all can agree on this. > > So please get more involved into Fedora and try to get the lacking basics > about Fedora. Ask people around the project, eg. Fedora Ambassadors, Fedora > Ambassador Mentors or similar. This mailinglist can also be used to clarify > such things, but avoid cross-posting over several mailing lists. > > Finally, I didn't want to blame you at all here, futhermore trying to lower > your current deficits. Hopefully you're getting it also that way - thanks. > Here I have to remind you one thing, did he say to add close source packages with Fedora? No he didn?t say it, he just wanted a easier solution of this. What Fedora really needs to do is find a legal way to make all of these things easier. -- Ador GPG key: 0xCB42A910 Bangladesh Linux Users Alliance Fedora Ambassador Bangladesh http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Ador -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From angel at linux.org.bd Mon Feb 2 02:40:01 2009 From: angel at linux.org.bd (Ashiqur Rahman Angel) Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2009 08:40:01 +0600 Subject: [Ambassadors] Re: Fedora 11: What do we expect? In-Reply-To: References: <20090201202755.GA16859@hurricane.linuxnetz.de> Message-ID: When did I say, we have to include close source software with Fedora? I didn?t say it. All I just wish, easiest way of the solutions of this issues. So more people will start using Fedora. I am using Fedora from the beginning of the Fedora Core. Everything is easy for me. But think about a Windows User, who wants to switch to Linux, can you please tell me, why he will use Fedora instead of Ubuntu? In Ubuntu he can easily enable the close source repo, he can easily install all kind of multimedia software, he can easily install nvidia/ati driver. He can do this thing graphically, and anyone can easily do it. But in case of Fedora, he need to googleing to install close source software, as well as, codecs and other drivers. Now tell me, why he will use Fedora instead of Ubuntu, as Ubuntu is also an Open Source and Linux Operating System? Why? Because of free and freedom? Nop. Ubuntu is also free. They also don?t include close source software, but it?s very easier to enable close source. Now, if there is some other reason (please explain, i dont know) you can say, why they should use Fedora instead of Ubuntu, then I?ll say, users doesn?t care about those reasons at all. Prove is, Ubuntu is now most popular Linux OS. Now, if you tell me, Fedora is not for new users, then my apologies for opening this thread. I have nothing to say. I?ll change my strategy to promoting Fedora (I?ll encouarage only advanced Linux users to try Fedora, not a new user). At last, I just want to know, can anyone please tell me, why did I open this thread? I am giving the answer, it?s so simple, because I love Fedora, I want to promote Fedora in wider public of the world. And I want to see, other people is using Fedora. But amximum of yours impression is, I want to break Fedora?s goal. Please, open your mind. Try to understand. I have my study, I have my work. I don?t have any reasons to arguing with you. -- Angel GPG key: 0x34001F46 Bangladesh Linux Users Alliance Fedora Ambassador Bangladesh http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Angel Fedora -- Freedom? and rapid innovation -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mohaas05 at gmail.com Mon Feb 2 03:14:15 2009 From: mohaas05 at gmail.com (mohaas05 (Kaminator)) Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2009 22:14:15 -0500 Subject: [Ambassadors] Re: Fedora 11: What do we expect? In-Reply-To: References: <20090201202755.GA16859@hurricane.linuxnetz.de> Message-ID: <12edf1c30902011914m5e768f3bue0bec77df271b9fd@mail.gmail.com> I apologize if I worded myself incorrectly. I never meant to say that Fedora should not be easy at all. Rather I meant that we shouldn't go out of the way just to make it easy. It should really be a balance between increasing usability for new users while at the same time not hindering more advanced users. -- Kamin Horvath Fedora Ambassadors USA http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/user:mohaas05 2009/2/1 Ashiqur Rahman Angel > When did I say, we have to include close source software with Fedora? I > didn?t say it. All I just wish, easiest way of the solutions of this issues. > So more people will start using Fedora. > > I am using Fedora from the beginning of the Fedora Core. Everything is > easy for me. But think about a Windows User, who wants to switch to Linux, > can you please tell me, why he will use Fedora instead of Ubuntu? In Ubuntu > he can easily enable the close source repo, he can easily install all kind > of multimedia software, he can easily install nvidia/ati driver. He can do > this thing graphically, and anyone can easily do it. But in case of Fedora, > he need to googleing to install close source software, as well as, codecs > and other drivers. Now tell me, why he will use Fedora instead of Ubuntu, as > Ubuntu is also an Open Source and Linux Operating System? Why? Because of > free and freedom? Nop. Ubuntu is also free. They also don?t include close > source software, but it?s very easier to enable close source. Now, if there > is some other reason (please explain, i dont know) you can say, why they > should use Fedora instead of Ubuntu, then I?ll say, users doesn?t care about > those reasons at all. Prove is, Ubuntu is now most popular Linux OS. > > Now, if you tell me, Fedora is not for new users, then my apologies for > opening this thread. I have nothing to say. I?ll change my strategy to > promoting Fedora (I?ll encouarage only advanced Linux users to try Fedora, > not a new user). > > At last, I just want to know, can anyone please tell me, why did I open > this thread? I am giving the answer, it?s so simple, because I love Fedora, > I want to promote Fedora in wider public of the world. And I want to see, > other people is using Fedora. But amximum of yours impression is, I want to > break Fedora?s goal. Please, open your mind. Try to understand. I have my > study, I have my work. I don?t have any reasons to arguing with you. > > > -- > Angel > GPG key: 0x34001F46 > Bangladesh Linux Users Alliance > Fedora Ambassador Bangladesh > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Angel > > Fedora -- Freedom? and rapid innovation > > > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From david at gnsa.us Mon Feb 2 03:32:39 2009 From: david at gnsa.us (David Nalley) Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2009 22:32:39 -0500 Subject: [Ambassadors] Re: Fedora 11: What do we expect? In-Reply-To: <142682e10902010922v49c4cc21xdbe707d93cd09be8@mail.gmail.com> References: <8D52B6E0-973C-49D4-A654-A4950C3602AC@gmail.com> <142682e10902010922v49c4cc21xdbe707d93cd09be8@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Sun, Feb 1, 2009 at 12:22 PM, Joseph Smidt wrote: > I think we are attacking the wrong goal. What people want is > that their OS "Just Works". > > What Fedora really needs to do is find a legal way to make all of > these things "Just Work". As long as the OS just works, newbies will > love it. > > Most people don't care if their driver came from Nvidia or not, > as long as it just works and gives equal performance. This type of thread in general in my opinion illuminates the biggest philosophical difference between Fedora and Ubuntu. People, in general, do want their OS and applications to just work. They don't care about the technology or freedom. Fedora (and hopefully the vast majority, if not all of its contributors) do value freedom. The understand that one of the foundational goals that Fedora supports is Freedom. I am not on FESCo or the Fedora board, but I have to imagine that one of the main questions that those guys ask when faced with a decision is 'what's the impact to a users freedom?' I am of the opinion that you don't become more free by using, including, or advocating non-free software. Fedora, in my opinion, is rapidly becoming the standard-bearer for software freedom. Yes we tolerate binary blobs in firmware, but show me another distribution with the same dedication to freedom. The closest that I know of is gnewsense - and honestly they don't have anywhere near the footprint that Fedora or any other major distribution. Our stance on freedom has allowed us to even change some very large companies licensing agreements (Yahoo for instance http://www.zimbra.com/forums/announcements/19581-license-5-0-7-foss.html ). Honestly our goals are not necessarily to have the most users and even the biggest mindshare. Our goal is to further free software. I like the term that Rahul applied to us - Pragmatic Extremists http://rahulsundaram.livejournal.com/19456.html And in each of these suggestions - I think we need to ask if we are furthering freedom. - if we aren't then such a suggestion violates one of our four foundations, and should probably be dismissed out of hand. Rather than working on what will be a huge uphill battle to add non-free things like binary drivers for video cards we should invest that effort in projects like nouveau. Unfortunately this seems to pop up about every 3-4 months, and this seems to be a growing pain with people. I recall having a very similar argument over the mp3 codec with Greg DeKoenigsberg and Alex Maier about 3 years ago. I don't know how you impress upon people the ideological importance of software freedom in a project like Fedora, I don't really even know how my viewpoint came to be different, though I do note that the more I contribute to an open source project the more important that I feel that it is. Perhaps we can find a good way to convey this in our mentoring efforts. From angel at linux.org.bd Mon Feb 2 05:02:44 2009 From: angel at linux.org.bd (Ashiqur Rahman Angel) Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2009 11:02:44 +0600 Subject: [Ambassadors] Re: Fedora 11: What do we expect? In-Reply-To: References: <8D52B6E0-973C-49D4-A654-A4950C3602AC@gmail.com> <142682e10902010922v49c4cc21xdbe707d93cd09be8@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: I don?t how, but there is going another conversation in same title in this list. Please have a look there, I have replied, I think you missed it.. However here it?s, https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-ambassadors-list/2009-February/msg00024.html. On Mon, Feb 2, 2009 at 9:32 AM, David Nalley wrote: > On Sun, Feb 1, 2009 at 12:22 PM, Joseph Smidt > wrote: > > I think we are attacking the wrong goal. What people want is > > that their OS "Just Works". > > > > What Fedora really needs to do is find a legal way to make all of > > these things "Just Work". As long as the OS just works, newbies will > > love it. > > > > Most people don't care if their driver came from Nvidia or not, > > as long as it just works and gives equal performance. > > > This type of thread in general in my opinion illuminates the biggest > philosophical difference between Fedora and Ubuntu. > > People, in general, do want their OS and applications to just work. > They don't care about the technology or freedom. > > Fedora (and hopefully the vast majority, if not all of its > contributors) do value freedom. The understand that one of the > foundational goals that Fedora supports is Freedom. I am not on FESCo > or the Fedora board, but I have to imagine that one of the main > questions that those guys ask when faced with a decision is 'what's > the impact to a users freedom?' > I am of the opinion that you don't become more free by using, > including, or advocating non-free software. > > Fedora, in my opinion, is rapidly becoming the standard-bearer for > software freedom. Yes we tolerate binary blobs in firmware, but show > me another distribution with the same dedication to freedom. The > closest that I know of is gnewsense - and honestly they don't have > anywhere near the footprint that Fedora or any other major > distribution. Our stance on freedom has allowed us to even change some > very large companies licensing agreements (Yahoo for instance > http://www.zimbra.com/forums/announcements/19581-license-5-0-7-foss.html > ). > > Honestly our goals are not necessarily to have the most users and even > the biggest mindshare. Our goal is to further free software. > > I like the term that Rahul applied to us - Pragmatic Extremists > http://rahulsundaram.livejournal.com/19456.html > > And in each of these suggestions - I think we need to ask if we are > furthering freedom. - if we aren't then such a suggestion violates > one of our four foundations, and should probably be dismissed out of > hand. > > Rather than working on what will be a huge uphill battle to add > non-free things like binary drivers for video cards we should invest > that effort in projects like nouveau. > > Unfortunately this seems to pop up about every 3-4 months, and this > seems to be a growing pain with people. I recall having a very similar > argument over the mp3 codec with Greg DeKoenigsberg and Alex Maier > about 3 years ago. I don't know how you impress upon people the > ideological importance of software freedom in a project like Fedora, I > don't really even know how my viewpoint came to be different, though I > do note that the more I contribute to an open source project the more > important that I feel that it is. Perhaps we can find a good way to > convey this in our mentoring efforts. > > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > -- Angel GPG key: 0x34001F46 Bangladesh Linux Users Alliance Fedora Ambassador Bangladesh http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Angel Fedora -- Freedom? and rapid innovation -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From frankly3d at fedoraproject.org Mon Feb 2 07:30:35 2009 From: frankly3d at fedoraproject.org (Frank Murphy) Date: Mon, 02 Feb 2009 07:30:35 +0000 Subject: [Ambassadors] Re: Fedora 11: What do we expect? In-Reply-To: References: <20090201202755.GA16859@hurricane.linuxnetz.de> Message-ID: <4986A11B.4030200@fedoraproject.org> Md. Sabrul Jamil wrote: > > I am wondering, how Ubuntu make this third-party repo and packages > installation easier. If they can, why we can?t? > Basically Law. Fedora = USA Based. (patented Software inforce) Ubuntu = EU Based (Illegal to patent software) Frank From frankly3d at fedoraproject.org Mon Feb 2 07:58:19 2009 From: frankly3d at fedoraproject.org (Frank Murphy) Date: Mon, 02 Feb 2009 07:58:19 +0000 Subject: [Ambassadors] Re: Fedora 11: What do we expect? In-Reply-To: References: <20090201202755.GA16859@hurricane.linuxnetz.de> Message-ID: <4986A79B.40206@fedoraproject.org> 1st Apologies for cross post. (aaagh, Top-Post) Can we centralise all future-replies be kept to Ambassadors-List. Ashiqur Rahman Angel wrote: > When did I say, we have to include close source software with Fedora? I > didn?t say it. All I just wish, easiest way of the solutions of this > issues. So more people will start using Fedora. 1: Not closed-source, but patented. There is a fundamental difference between: O.S.S. and F.O.S.S. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open-source_software#Open_source_software_vs._free_software > > I am using Fedora from the beginning of the Fedora Core. Everything is > easy for me. But think about a Windows User, who wants to switch to > Linux, can you please tell me, why he will use Fedora instead of Ubuntu? > In Ubuntu he can easily enable the close source repo, he can easily > install all kind of multimedia software, he can easily install > nvidia/ati driver. He can do this thing graphically, and anyone can > easily do it. But in case of Fedora, he need to googleing to install > close source software, as well as, codecs and other drivers. Now tell > me, why he will use Fedora instead of Ubuntu, as Ubuntu is also an Open > Source and Linux Operating System? Why? Because of free and freedom? > Nop. Ubuntu is also free. 2: Refer: https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-ambassadors-list/2009-February/msg00028.html They also don?t include close source software, > but it?s very easier to enable close source. Now, if there is some other > reason (please explain, i dont know) you can say, why they should use > Fedora instead of Ubuntu, then I?ll say, users doesn?t care about those > reasons at all. Prove is, Ubuntu is now most popular Linux OS. > 3: refer 1: Most EU citizens will use Ubuntu, not so much because it's easier to use, but imho because it's EU based. Google the amount of complaints re. the latest Ubuntu release. Particularly wireless. http://www.linux.ie/lists/pipermail/ilug/2008-November/100179.html > Now, if you tell me, Fedora is not for new users, then my apologies for > opening this thread. I have nothing to say. I?ll change my strategy to > promoting Fedora (I?ll encouarage only advanced Linux users to try > Fedora, not a new user). Fedora is for All Users, and like anything. It takes getting used to, that is where the Ambassador comes in, with a printed list of where to get help. > > At last, I just want to know, can anyone please tell me, why did I open > this thread? I am giving the answer, it?s so simple, because I love > Fedora, I want to promote Fedora in wider public of the world. And I > want to see, other people is using Fedora. But amximum of yours > impression is, I want to break Fedora?s goal. Please, open your mind. > Try to understand. I have my study, I have my work. I don?t have any > reasons to arguing with you. > I fully understand your love for Fedora it can be seen. I too in school, have given Fedora 10 media to students. They in many cases have never heard of Linux. But one of the five, that got media is now dual-booting with Vista. My tutor is now using FEL, and another tutor is interested. These have been breastfed on Proprietary O.S. Frank From jsimon at fedoraproject.org Mon Feb 2 08:23:55 2009 From: jsimon at fedoraproject.org (JoergSimon) Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2009 09:23:55 +0100 Subject: [Ambassadors] Fedora Ambassadors Welcome Message-ID: <200902020923.59500.jsimon@fedoraproject.org> Dear Ambassadors, let?s welcome our new sponsored Ambassador Group Members: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Ricardovs from Chile https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Edgabaldi from Brazil https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Itbegins from United Kingdom https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Tenouk from Penang, Malaysia Regards Joerg p.s. Please do not send private "Welcome" Messages to Ambassador List -- Joerg (kital) Simon jsimon at fedoraproject.org http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/JoergSimon http://kitall.blogspot.com Key Fingerprint: 3691 0989 2DCA 58A2 8D1F 2CAC C823 558E 5B5B 5688 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I meant patented software here. > > 3: refer 1: > Most EU citizens will use Ubuntu, not so much because it's easier to > use, but imho because it's EU based. > Google the amount of complaints re. the latest Ubuntu release. > Particularly wireless. > http://www.linux.ie/lists/pipermail/ilug/2008-November/100179.html > > Nop. People are using Ubuntu from all over the world. And that?s why Ubuntu is most popular. > > > Now, if you tell me, Fedora is not for new users, then my apologies for > > opening this thread. I have nothing to say. I?ll change my strategy to > > promoting Fedora (I?ll encouarage only advanced Linux users to try > > Fedora, not a new user). > > Fedora is for All Users, and like anything. > It takes getting used to, that is where the Ambassador comes in, > with a printed list of where to get help. > Yes. Ofcourse Ambassadors are helping users. But just think, Ubuntu (October 20, 2004) is a new distro then Fedora. But it already passed everyone by in users and also popularity. > > At last, I just want to know, can anyone please tell me, why did I open > > this thread? I am giving the answer, it?s so simple, because I love > > Fedora, I want to promote Fedora in wider public of the world. And I > > want to see, other people is using Fedora. But amximum of yours > > impression is, I want to break Fedora?s goal. Please, open your mind. > > Try to understand. I have my study, I have my work. I don?t have any > > reasons to arguing with you. > > > > I fully understand your love for Fedora it can be seen. > I too in school, have given Fedora 10 media to students. > They in many cases have never heard of Linux. > But one of the five, that got media is now dual-booting with Vista. > My tutor is now using FEL, and another tutor is interested. > These have been breastfed on Proprietary O.S. > My whole family is using Fedora now. Also my many friends. About 15 days ago, I have distributed 100 free Fedora DVD ( http://angel.linux.org.bd/2009/01/22/fedora-infinity-day-2009/) here in Bangladesh. > > I am using Fedora from the beginning of the Fedora Core. Everything is > > easy for me. But think about a Windows User, who wants to switch to > > Linux, can you please tell me, why he will use Fedora instead of Ubuntu? > > In Ubuntu he can easily enable the close source repo, he can easily > > install all kind of multimedia software, he can easily install > > nvidia/ati driver. He can do this thing graphically, and anyone can > > easily do it. But in case of Fedora, he need to googleing to install > > close source software, as well as, codecs and other drivers. Now tell > > me, why he will use Fedora instead of Ubuntu, as Ubuntu is also an Open > > Source and Linux Operating System? Why? Because of free and freedom? > > Nop. Ubuntu is also free. > > 2: > Refer: > > https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-ambassadors-list/2009-February/msg00028.html > Fedora = USA Based. (patented Software inforce), this law can stop USA people (also other country who are following USA) to use Ubuntu, you can tell them to use Fedora. But not the whole world. And why you are bothering about patented software? I didnt tell Fedora must need to include patented software. *I just said, we need a easiest solution (i meant a GUI, so anyone can do it). What?s the problem, if developer can get a GUI solution of it?* Why you all are yelling about this? By making it easy we are not encouraging people to use petented software. If you think this is, then listen, you can?t push people to use Fedora. Give this feature, then people will come to try it. But now people are scaring to try it. So which one is better for promoting Fedora? -- Angel GPG key: 0x34001F46 Bangladesh Linux Users Alliance Fedora Ambassador Bangladesh http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Angel Fedora -- Freedom? and rapid innovation -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jsimon at fedoraproject.org Mon Feb 2 09:51:30 2009 From: jsimon at fedoraproject.org (Joerg Simon) Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2009 10:51:30 +0100 Subject: [Ambassadors] Re: Fedora 11: What do we expect? In-Reply-To: References: <4986A79B.40206@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <200902021051.34248.jsimon@fedoraproject.org> Please move further discussions to this topic to the fedora-marketing-list, we do not want continue with this multiple crosspostings! Thanks Joerg -- Joerg (kital) Simon jsimon at fedoraproject.org http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/JoergSimon http://kitall.blogspot.com Key Fingerprint: 3691 0989 2DCA 58A2 8D1F 2CAC C823 558E 5B5B 5688 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 197 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part. URL: From mspevack at redhat.com Mon Feb 2 19:39:10 2009 From: mspevack at redhat.com (Max Spevack) Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2009 14:39:10 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Ambassadors] FOSDEM In-Reply-To: <4985FEA5.7090002@fetzig.org> References: <50baabb30902010605v1678af72m2837fbaf15d6d601@mail.gmail.com> <4985FEA5.7090002@fetzig.org> Message-ID: On Sun, 1 Feb 2009, Felix Kaechele wrote: > + over 9000 > > I would really appreciate such party as I think it would be really > essential to get in touch with the other people whose names all too > often run across my screen. > > We could have some beers! I think we should make some plans at the booth on Saturday, and try to find a bar somewhere that a lot of us can all go to for some beers. I would expect that we'd have dinners with Fedora and Red Hat people together on Friday and Saturday nights, but I think we also might need to be flexible and split into smaller groups, simply because it is hard for 30+ people to all go to the same place :) --Max From felix at fetzig.org Mon Feb 2 19:55:09 2009 From: felix at fetzig.org (Felix Kaechele) Date: Mon, 02 Feb 2009 20:55:09 +0100 Subject: [Ambassadors] FOSDEM In-Reply-To: References: <50baabb30902010605v1678af72m2837fbaf15d6d601@mail.gmail.com> <4985FEA5.7090002@fetzig.org> Message-ID: <49874F9D.6080508@fetzig.org> Max Spevack schrieb: > I would expect that we'd have dinners with Fedora and Red Hat people > together on Friday and Saturday nights, but I think we also might need > to be flexible and split into smaller groups, simply because it is hard > for 30+ people to all go to the same place :) Depends on the place. The restaurant with the golden arches for example doesn't care too much if there are 30+ people for dinner. Just joking ;) Felix From robert at fedoraproject.org Mon Feb 2 23:16:48 2009 From: robert at fedoraproject.org (Robert Scheck) Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2009 00:16:48 +0100 Subject: [Ambassadors] Re: Fedora 11: What do we expect? In-Reply-To: References: <20090201202755.GA16859@hurricane.linuxnetz.de> Message-ID: <20090202231648.GA17741@hurricane.linuxnetz.de> On Mon, 02 Feb 2009, Md. Sabrul Jamil wrote: > What do you expect his reply when someone from project says him ?You're not > the first one to make these suggestions. Parroting them like a broken record > isn't going to change any of the above. Sorry.? Did I expect anything else in [1] rather possibly not blaming the Fedora Project for something which the Fedora Project can't not really take care of and for just doing "the right thing" when acting as ambassador? I tried to clarify a wrong situation which should be known to an ambassador. To be honest, I wasn't expecting any reply at all. If you don't like my words, simply delete my e-mails silently. Thank you. > Dont you think, his sentence is also as hard as his? I didn't get this sentence, but it doesn't solve this problem: I just was thinking, that he maybe had choosen the wrong or too hard words. And such things can easily happen. Please do not interpret something else, which I did not say. > I am wondering, how Ubuntu make this third-party repo and packages > installation easier. If they can, why we can?t? Looks like you are lacking legal information and basics. As now several times pointed out by e.g. Frank Murphy [2], it's a legal thing. Tom maybe wants to correct me here, but if I got him right in the legal discussion last year on FOSDEM, we can't put a red (or a blue) button into Fedora pointing to e.g. RPM Fusion or another third-party repository which offers proprietary software. Shipping such a button offering the user maybe illegal or just legally questionable software is something where Red Hat can be made legally total responsible for. That's maybe something hard to understand depending on local and regionals laws and/or licensings, yes. A real-life example for that are the packages "pgadmin3" and "libdvdcss". First one, pgadmin3 is licensed under "Artistic 1.0" which is legally questionable in the US, in Europe there seems to be no problem, in Asia there seems to be none as well. Fedora doesn't ship pgadmin3 any longer, it is included in RPM Fusions' non-free repository. When looking to package "libdvdcss", the second one, it is not allowed in the US and even legally questionable even in Europe (thus RPM Fusion is not shipping it at all), but if I'm aware about that correctly, it isn't a problem in Asia. Fedora has to follow US-laws as Red Hat can be made responsible for every action. Ubuntu is able to follow European laws, as Canonical [3] is located in Great Britain (Isle of Man). Unluckily European laws seem to be at that point more relaxed compared with the US ones, which makes Ubuntu solving such issues more easily. In times, where SuSE Linux was located in Germany, they also had no problem to ship proprietary software. Once they have been bought by Novell, they have been legally relocated to the US and now have really exactly the same legal problems as Fedora. As far as I can see in their products, they've removed anything proprietary (depends on the view, of course). Thus Ubuntu can, we can't (Tom, please correct me, if I did tell something wrong - hopefully not). > Here I have to remind you one thing, did he say to add close source packages > with Fedora? No he didn?t say it, he just wanted a easier solution of this. > What Fedora really needs to do is find a legal way to make all of these > things easier. Yes, but according the discussion I participated last year during FOSDEM with Tom, that's a hard thing and Fedora can't ship a direct link to e.g. RPM Fusion or another repository shipping maybe legally questionable stuff. And if there would be more easy ways, I'm pretty sure, Fedora would have taken them already. The issue didn't came up with Fedora 9 or 10, it is an older thing known inside in Fedora (at least it should be known). This thread is not to be continued on Fedora Ambassadors or at Fedora Marketing. If anything else should come up, please discuss this on the Fedora legal list [4]. [1] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-ambassadors-list/2009-February/msg00019.html [2] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-ambassadors-list/2009-February/msg00028.html [3] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canonical_Ltd. [4] https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-legal-list Greetings, Robert From david at gnsa.us Tue Feb 3 02:06:16 2009 From: david at gnsa.us (David Nalley) Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2009 21:06:16 -0500 Subject: [Ambassadors] Upcoming deadlines Message-ID: Thanks to Matt Domsch's excellent post I thought I'd bring up some important dates for some of the conferences that are quickly approaching. See Matt's post for more detail: http://domsch.com/blog/?p=30 # Linux Foundation Collaboration Summit, April 8-10 in San Francisco, CA. Proposals due Feb 15. # Linux Symposium, July 13-17 in Montreal, Canada. Call for Papers due Feb 28. # OSCON, July 20-24 in San Jose, California. Call for Participation due Feb 3. # OpenSourceWorld (formerly LinuxWorldExpo), August 10-13 in San Francisco, CA. Call for Papers due Feb 20. This month there are four conferences whose CFP ends. The closest one ends tomorrow. PLEASE, if you are interested in presenting a topic, please propose it to these groups. Even if you are worried about the financial ability to go, please propose something and we'll help you. I'd far rather spend a little money and have an Ambassador presenting and showing off some of the good things going on in Fedora than have us either not show up or just show up with a booth. Your material doesn't even have to be original - I just saw a presentation on Fedora Planet from Michael DeHaan that I plan on using in two weeks. There are scores of such presentations out there. Precious few of us are what you would call eloquent speakers, but for the most part Fedora excites us, so please share the excitement with others and pitch a talk. From kwade at redhat.com Tue Feb 3 08:31:02 2009 From: kwade at redhat.com (Karsten Wade) Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2009 00:31:02 -0800 Subject: [Ambassadors] Fedora In-Reply-To: <200901302046.30469.jsimon@fedoraproject.org> References: <200901302046.30469.jsimon@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <20090203083102.GF7772@calliope.phig.org> On Fri, Jan 30, 2009 at 08:46:26PM +0100, Joerg Simon wrote: > > - Company & Inhouse Builds! - a company who build software as FOSS or modify > FOSS for their own Enterprise Servers can use the benefit of Fedora Processes > and Infrastructure as well as the wide spreading of our Distribution with > contributing to Fedora + EPEL - this is good for the company and for Fedora. > This could be enhanced by a technical Track, to show them how they can package > and spread their Software within own Fedora Spins ... Last year we started a special interest group for independent software vendors (ISVs) interested in getting software in to Fedora: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ISV_SIG (Please pass that around to any open source software companies you come in contact with. It's a group of people who understand the challenges that are unique to ISVs with open source-based products.) What you are proposing sounds great, and in particular the 'Company Builds' is something I would like to help with. Perhaps we can imagine a class. It would cover ~4 hours and could be given by many Fedora Ambassadors: * Introduction to the Fedora Way -- why we do things the way we do, how it really matters * Overview of Fedora Packaging -- Packaging guidelines to koji, the entire process explained from a packager's point of view. * Fedora Packaging, inside the RPM -- How to build an RPM from the spec file view; cf. Spot's recurring talk where he essentially walks through an extremely verbosely commented spec file. * Next steps -- Walk through on finding resources (SIGs, using the wiki, getting a FAS account, finding a sponsor, etc.) > - Community Consulting! - show them the brilliance of our technology with > spacewalk, cobbler, func, puppet, FDS, KVM, FEL, our OLPC Success... Talk > about the possibility that a Fedora Contributor teaches a company for a > donation to the Fedora Project technicaly to see what the future will bring > and to use that knowledge for their enterprise enviroments because this > Enterprise Servers are build from our roots (or whatever) ... I'd like to talk more about this. One of the roles that our group inside of Red Hat tries to do is similar to to this. We of course know that our small team does not scale very well :) I am working on codifying some of our means and methods, and a big portion of that could be worked on in collaboration with other community members. Due to the complexity of the idea, such as a contributor teaching a company about Fedora and community in return for recompense to the Fedora Project, it has some challengs in figuring out the details. Let's start! > - Build a FOSS Career! - show the government why they should support using and > teaching of FOSS in educational institutions > Show them success stories we have learned from Kushal or Chitlesh or Rodrigo > or Paul - show the bussines why they should hire FOSS Contributors (peer > certification, ...) - show the bussines why they should sponsor local FOSS > Communities ... - show them how to become a FOSS Contributor inside Fedora. > Imagine a government which decides that kids in school get teached leading > edge software without licencing cost and with the possibility to enhance and > change that. 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I've cleared the order page at: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_Ambassadors_North_America_(FAMNA)#Fedora_Ambassador_Polo_Shirts_for_FAMNA They can probably deliver these in 3-4 weeks. Thanks, Pascal. Larry Cafiero -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rodrigopadula at projetofedora.org Tue Feb 3 15:11:24 2009 From: rodrigopadula at projetofedora.org (Rodrigo Padula de Oliveira) Date: Tue, 03 Feb 2009 13:11:24 -0200 Subject: [Ambassadors] Polos for North America In-Reply-To: <7a0d56080902030759l30c3483dwe59555d01f374847@mail.gmail.com> References: <7a0d56080902030759l30c3483dwe59555d01f374847@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <49885E9C.5050409@projetofedora.org> We made a different polo model for Brazil. You can see our idea here: http://www.jaymeayres.com/arquivos/tshirt.png Larry Cafiero escreveu: > Hi, all -- > > I've taken the liberty of contacting Pascal Calarco about ordering more > polos for those of us in North America (like me) who need one in what > will be a busy year for Ambassadors (if I have anything to do with it . > . . :-) ) > > According to Pascal, the vendor likes to do at least 10 at a time, and > we've drop-shipped these directly to people. I've cleared the order > page at: > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_Ambassadors_North_America_(FAMNA)#Fedora_Ambassador_Polo_Shirts_for_FAMNA > > They can probably deliver these in 3-4 weeks. > > Thanks, Pascal. > > Larry Cafiero > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list -- Rodrigo Padula de Oliveira M.Sc. Student - COPPE/UFRJ Fedora Community Manager - Latin America http://www.proyectofedora.org From herlo1 at gmail.com Tue Feb 3 17:34:32 2009 From: herlo1 at gmail.com (Clint Savage) Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2009 10:34:32 -0700 Subject: [Ambassadors] FAMNA Meeting @ 2009-02-03 9pm ET Message-ID: This is a reminder for FAMNA Meeting Just a quick reminder that we'll be holding our weekly meeting in #fedora-meeting (irc.freenode.net) tonight at 9pm ET (6pm PT) If you are interested in participating, or have something to contribute, feel free to add it to our agenda: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Meeting:Ambassadors_2009-02-03 A special visit from Mike McGrath of the Fedora Infrastructure team will be the highlight of the meeting. Additional Agenda Items: * Budget Review * Upcoming conferences and FADs (SCaLE, LFNW, PyCon, etc) * Task List Review * Open floor From chitlesh.goorah at gmail.com Tue Feb 3 17:48:07 2009 From: chitlesh.goorah at gmail.com (Chitlesh GOORAH) Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2009 18:48:07 +0100 Subject: [Ambassadors] FOSDEM In-Reply-To: <1233526231.3543.7.camel@morpheus.mygroup> References: <50baabb30902010605v1678af72m2837fbaf15d6d601@mail.gmail.com> <4985FEA5.7090002@fetzig.org> <1233526231.3543.7.camel@morpheus.mygroup> Message-ID: <50baabb30902030948k1df3822cn93e5c2f9a280a62b@mail.gmail.com> 2009/2/1 Papadeas Pierros <>: > Chitlesh is it possible to > book a pub (or sth like that) in advance for ~30 person? Because i think > it would be difficult to drag 30 people around to find a spot for beer. I've called 6 bars I know in brussels. But they all told me it's saturday and regular people will also come. However we are welcome to come and try. If we are lucky we can get 30 in at least 2 bars. Secondly, I'm planning to come to Brussels at about 18h30 onFriday after work. So who will already be there and what is the planning ? Where do we meet ? The social party of FOSDEM is at Delirium. I know it will be crowded. However,that bar is also one of the MUST sight-seeing in Brussels. I'm sure rdieter will confirm. Just for the intelligent minds: Delirium claims to have more than 2500 different kinds of beers :D PS: I'll take the last train back home. Chitlesh From herlo1 at gmail.com Tue Feb 3 18:04:31 2009 From: herlo1 at gmail.com (Clint Savage) Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2009 11:04:31 -0700 Subject: [Ambassadors] Upcoming deadlines In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Mon, Feb 2, 2009 at 7:06 PM, David Nalley wrote: > Thanks to Matt Domsch's excellent post I thought I'd bring up some > important dates for some of the conferences that are quickly > approaching. > See Matt's post for more detail: http://domsch.com/blog/?p=30 > > # Linux Foundation Collaboration Summit, April 8-10 in San Francisco, > CA. Proposals due Feb 15. > # Linux Symposium, July 13-17 in Montreal, Canada. Call for Papers due Feb 28. > # OSCON, July 20-24 in San Jose, California. Call for Participation due Feb 3. > # OpenSourceWorld (formerly LinuxWorldExpo), August 10-13 in San > Francisco, CA. Call for Papers due Feb 20. > > This month there are four conferences whose CFP ends. The closest one > ends tomorrow. > PLEASE, if you are interested in presenting a topic, please propose it > to these groups. Even if you are worried about the financial ability > to go, please propose something and we'll help you. I'd far rather > spend a little money and have an Ambassador presenting and showing off > some of the good things going on in Fedora than have us either not > show up or just show up with a booth > Your material doesn't even have to be original - I just saw a > presentation on Fedora Planet from Michael DeHaan that I plan on using > in two weeks. There are scores of such presentations out there. > Precious few of us are what you would call eloquent speakers, but for > the most part Fedora excites us, so please share the excitement with > others and pitch a talk. I've submitted Fedora Remix to OSCON for now. I'll be looking at the others soon, but I think we should get a few more people involved and have a presenter at each. Also, to build upon David's point regarding originality, most talks from Fedora a licensed freely (usually CC-BY-SA) and to that point, I've been using Paul Frields 'Fedora Remix' slides. He's got them up on his fedorapeople.org page. I guess we should get him to put it on the Presentations page[1] Cheers, Clint 1 - https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Presentations From robert at fedoraproject.org Tue Feb 3 18:27:19 2009 From: robert at fedoraproject.org (Robert Scheck) Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2009 19:27:19 +0100 Subject: [Ambassadors] Polos for North America In-Reply-To: <49885E9C.5050409@projetofedora.org> References: <7a0d56080902030759l30c3483dwe59555d01f374847@mail.gmail.com> <49885E9C.5050409@projetofedora.org> Message-ID: <20090203182719.GA12725@hurricane.linuxnetz.de> On Tue, 03 Feb 2009, Rodrigo Padula de Oliveira wrote: > We made a different polo model for Brazil. > > You can see our idea here: > > http://www.jaymeayres.com/arquivos/tshirt.png Ouch. You may want to rework your polo model, as a "don't" [1] of Fedora is there in use - the flag of a country. I think, as ambassadors we should respect such things more than somebody else at Fedora, and especially when getting in touch with people all over the world. It can give a worse taste to us as Fedora Project, as flags are politically dangerous. [1] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Languages#I_wish_to_use_my_country.27s_flag_to_refer_to_my_language... Greetings, Robert From larry.cafiero at gmail.com Tue Feb 3 18:49:32 2009 From: larry.cafiero at gmail.com (Larry Cafiero) Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2009 10:49:32 -0800 Subject: [Ambassadors] Polos for North America In-Reply-To: <20090203182719.GA12725@hurricane.linuxnetz.de> References: <7a0d56080902030759l30c3483dwe59555d01f374847@mail.gmail.com> <49885E9C.5050409@projetofedora.org> <20090203182719.GA12725@hurricane.linuxnetz.de> Message-ID: <7a0d56080902031049h1afe3d3dp3d8bacdf82833002@mail.gmail.com> An update: I got an e-mail off list from someone in Europe asking about availability. To my knowedge, as limited as that might be :-) , I believe Europe has its own order page here: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/PoloShirt As for North America, again the page is here: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/NA#Fedora_Ambassador_Polo_Shirts_for_FAMNA Sorry but I don't know what the order pages are for polos in other areas (South America, Asia, Antarctica . . . ), but if someone knows where to order for other areas, please jump in here. Thanks. Larry Cafiero On Tue, Feb 3, 2009 at 10:27 AM, Robert Scheck wrote: > On Tue, 03 Feb 2009, Rodrigo Padula de Oliveira wrote: > > We made a different polo model for Brazil. > > > > You can see our idea here: > > > > http://www.jaymeayres.com/arquivos/tshirt.png > > Ouch. You may want to rework your polo model, as a "don't" [1] of Fedora is > there in use - the flag of a country. 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Antarctica? Do we really have Fedora Ambassdors at the Antarctica (except the penguins living there anyway and unluckily unable to ever wear a Fedora Ambassador polo shirt)? This question was serious, even if it sounds funny. I don't think, we have any ambassadors there currently, right? If we really have ambassadors there, please hands up! Greetings, Robert From larry.cafiero at gmail.com Tue Feb 3 20:19:40 2009 From: larry.cafiero at gmail.com (Larry Cafiero) Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2009 12:19:40 -0800 Subject: [Ambassadors] Polos for North America In-Reply-To: <20090203192250.GA18616@hurricane.linuxnetz.de> References: <7a0d56080902030759l30c3483dwe59555d01f374847@mail.gmail.com> <49885E9C.5050409@projetofedora.org> <20090203182719.GA12725@hurricane.linuxnetz.de> <7a0d56080902031049h1afe3d3dp3d8bacdf82833002@mail.gmail.com> <20090203192250.GA18616@hurricane.linuxnetz.de> Message-ID: <7a0d56080902031219i27a9f03bl28a7df6a1f4095a7@mail.gmail.com> On Tue, Feb 3, 2009 at 11:22 AM, Robert Scheck wrote: > > Antarctica? Do we really have Fedora Ambassdors at the Antarctica (except > the penguins living there anyway and unluckily unable to ever wear a Fedora > Ambassador polo shirt)? This question was serious, even if it sounds funny. > I don't think, we have any ambassadors there currently, right? If we really > have ambassadors there, please hands up! I'd be willing to bet we don't have any in Antarctica, however I'd be willing to bet that some of all that scientific equipment down there used for research (computer-wise anyway) runs on Linux. Otherwise, how would you explain all the penguins down there? :-) Any scientists down there want to weigh in? Larry Cafiero -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Do we really have Fedora Ambassdors at the Antarctica (except > the penguins living there anyway and unluckily unable to ever wear a Fedora > Ambassador polo shirt)? This question was serious, even if it sounds funny. > I don't think, we have any ambassadors there currently, right? If we really > have ambassadors there, please hands up! > I honestly think that page should be reformatted into general regions, LATAM, NA, APAC, EMEA. There's no real reason why Ireland couldn't put their links under EMEA since they are in that larger region. Cheers, Clint From larry.cafiero at gmail.com Tue Feb 3 20:28:39 2009 From: larry.cafiero at gmail.com (Larry Cafiero) Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2009 12:28:39 -0800 Subject: [Ambassadors] Polos for North America In-Reply-To: <20090203192250.GA18616@hurricane.linuxnetz.de> References: <7a0d56080902030759l30c3483dwe59555d01f374847@mail.gmail.com> <49885E9C.5050409@projetofedora.org> <20090203182719.GA12725@hurricane.linuxnetz.de> <7a0d56080902031049h1afe3d3dp3d8bacdf82833002@mail.gmail.com> <20090203192250.GA18616@hurricane.linuxnetz.de> Message-ID: <7a0d56080902031228gbb0e45eja10e448e3664ada4@mail.gmail.com> On Tue, Feb 3, 2009 at 11:22 AM, Robert Scheck wrote: > > > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/PoloShirt > > That page also covers Mauritius, which is not really Europe for me. My mistake -- this is the EMEA page which covers Europe, Mideast and . . . Asia (trying to figure out what the other A stands for in EMEA). But all of which is to say that they'd be the ones you'd go to. 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But all of > which is to say that they'd be the ones you'd go to. > The A in EMEA stands for Africa. 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Cheers, Clint From malloc.core at gmail.com Tue Feb 3 22:09:17 2009 From: malloc.core at gmail.com (malloc) Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2009 23:09:17 +0100 Subject: [Ambassadors] Polos for North America In-Reply-To: <7a0d56080902031049h1afe3d3dp3d8bacdf82833002@mail.gmail.com> References: <7a0d56080902030759l30c3483dwe59555d01f374847@mail.gmail.com> <49885E9C.5050409@projetofedora.org> <20090203182719.GA12725@hurricane.linuxnetz.de> <7a0d56080902031049h1afe3d3dp3d8bacdf82833002@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Thanx Larry, I try to contact an european ambassador and maybe form an italian groupbuy. Filippo 2009/2/3 Larry Cafiero > An update: > > I got an e-mail off list from someone in Europe asking about availability. > To my knowedge, as limited as that might be :-) , I believe Europe has its > own order page here: > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/PoloShirt > > As for North America, again the page is here: > > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/NA#Fedora_Ambassador_Polo_Shirts_for_FAMNA > > Sorry but I don't know what the order pages are for polos in other areas > (South America, Asia, Antarctica . . . ), but if someone knows where to > order for other areas, please jump in here. > > Thanks. > > Larry Cafiero > > > On Tue, Feb 3, 2009 at 10:27 AM, Robert Scheck wrote: > >> On Tue, 03 Feb 2009, Rodrigo Padula de Oliveira wrote: >> > We made a different polo model for Brazil. >> > >> > You can see our idea here: >> > >> > http://www.jaymeayres.com/arquivos/tshirt.png >> >> Ouch. You may want to rework your polo model, as a "don't" [1] of Fedora >> is >> there in use - the flag of a country. I think, as ambassadors we should >> respect such things more than somebody else at Fedora, and especially when >> getting in touch with people all over the world. It can give a worse taste >> to us as Fedora Project, as flags are politically dangerous. >> >> [1] >> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Languages#I_wish_to_use_my_country.27s_flag_to_refer_to_my_language. >> .. >> >> >> Greetings, >> Robert >> >> -- >> Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list >> Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list >> > > > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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To my knowedge, as limited as that might > be :-) , I believe Europe has its own order page here: > > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/PoloShirt > > > As for North America, again the page is here: > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/NA#Fedora_Ambassador_Polo_Shirts_for_FAMNA > > Sorry but I don't know what the order pages are for polos in > other areas (South America, Asia, Antarctica . . . ), but if > someone knows where to order for other areas, please jump in > here. > > Thanks. > > Larry Cafiero > > > > On Tue, Feb 3, 2009 at 10:27 AM, Robert Scheck > wrote: > > On Tue, 03 Feb 2009, Rodrigo Padula de Oliveira wrote: > > We made a different polo model for Brazil. > > > > You can see our idea here: > > > > http://www.jaymeayres.com/arquivos/tshirt.png > > > Ouch. You may want to rework your polo model, as a > "don't" [1] of Fedora is > there in use - the flag of a country. I think, as > ambassadors we should > respect such things more than somebody else at Fedora, > and especially when > getting in touch with people all over the world. It > can give a worse taste > to us as Fedora Project, as flags are politically > dangerous. > > [1] > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Languages#I_wish_to_use_my_country.27s_flag_to_refer_to_my_language... > > > Greetings, > Robert > > > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > > > > > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > > > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list -- Gerold Kassube -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 197 bytes Desc: Dies ist ein digital signierter Nachrichtenteil URL: From malloc.core at gmail.com Tue Feb 3 22:33:07 2009 From: malloc.core at gmail.com (malloc) Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2009 23:33:07 +0100 Subject: [Ambassadors] Polos for North America In-Reply-To: <1233699852.3307.3.camel@F10Lap1.homenet.local> References: <7a0d56080902030759l30c3483dwe59555d01f374847@mail.gmail.com> <49885E9C.5050409@projetofedora.org> <20090203182719.GA12725@hurricane.linuxnetz.de> <7a0d56080902031049h1afe3d3dp3d8bacdf82833002@mail.gmail.com> <1233699852.3307.3.camel@F10Lap1.homenet.local> Message-ID: Ok, many thanks for your interest! :) 2009/2/3 Gerold Kassube > Ciao Filippo, > > please get in touch with FrancescoUgolini or any other Francesco in > Italy (@ the Ambassadors Group) :-) > All are well known and starting a great work, also with ordering a > groupbuy > > Regards > > Gerold > > > Am Dienstag, den 03.02.2009, 23:09 +0100 schrieb malloc: > > Thanx Larry, I try to contact an european ambassador and maybe form > > an italian groupbuy. > > Filippo > > > > > > 2009/2/3 Larry Cafiero > > An update: > > > > I got an e-mail off list from someone in Europe asking about > > availability. To my knowedge, as limited as that might > > be :-) , I believe Europe has its own order page here: > > > > > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/PoloShirt > > > > > > As for North America, again the page is here: > > > > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/NA#Fedora_Ambassador_Polo_Shirts_for_FAMNA > > > > Sorry but I don't know what the order pages are for polos in > > other areas (South America, Asia, Antarctica . . . ), but if > > someone knows where to order for other areas, please jump in > > here. > > > > Thanks. > > > > Larry Cafiero > > > > > > > > On Tue, Feb 3, 2009 at 10:27 AM, Robert Scheck > > wrote: > > > > On Tue, 03 Feb 2009, Rodrigo Padula de Oliveira wrote: > > > We made a different polo model for Brazil. > > > > > > You can see our idea here: > > > > > > http://www.jaymeayres.com/arquivos/tshirt.png > > > > > > Ouch. You may want to rework your polo model, as a > > "don't" [1] of Fedora is > > there in use - the flag of a country. I think, as > > ambassadors we should > > respect such things more than somebody else at Fedora, > > and especially when > > getting in touch with people all over the world. It > > can give a worse taste > > to us as Fedora Project, as flags are politically > > dangerous. > > > > [1] > > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Languages#I_wish_to_use_my_country.27s_flag_to_refer_to_my_language. > .. > > > > > > Greetings, > > Robert > > > > > > -- > > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > > > > > > -- > > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > -- > Gerold Kassube > > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From stickster at gmail.com Tue Feb 3 22:41:55 2009 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2009 17:41:55 -0500 Subject: [Ambassadors] Polos for North America In-Reply-To: <49885E9C.5050409@projetofedora.org> References: <7a0d56080902030759l30c3483dwe59555d01f374847@mail.gmail.com> <49885E9C.5050409@projetofedora.org> Message-ID: <20090203224155.GL28565@localhost.localdomain> On Tue, Feb 03, 2009 at 01:11:24PM -0200, Rodrigo Padula de Oliveira wrote: > We made a different polo model for Brazil. > > You can see our idea here: > > http://www.jaymeayres.com/arquivos/tshirt.png It would be really nice if we could at least standardize the polo on the blue color that's so recognizable. It's an attractive color and when people see it, it makes them think of Fedora! The badge on the Brazilian polo behind the Fedora logo could then be white to show the logo off correctly. One other general correction regardless of the color issue, though -- the leaves in the logo and the word "Ambassador" pass too close to the wordmark "fedora." There is a minimum space required around the logo, as set out in the logo usage guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Logo/UsageGuidelines -- Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available URL: From mspevack at redhat.com Wed Feb 4 08:26:16 2009 From: mspevack at redhat.com (Max Spevack) Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2009 09:26:16 +0100 (CET) Subject: [Ambassadors] Re: Fedora 'ambassadors-kit' In-Reply-To: <1d24cdf80901200523k2b908617ld1a484a9b4b30aea@mail.gmail.com> References: <20090114212841.17A202081FC@bastion.fedora.phx.redhat.com> <200901142235.58520.jsimon@fedoraproject.org> <4973B3EB.1040300@devnox.be> <200901191222.21831.jsimon@fedoraproject.org> <4974DD13.2090406@devnox.be> <8c4d97720901191635i5b1acafdoe563c756f17044f@mail.gmail.com> <1d24cdf80901200523k2b908617ld1a484a9b4b30aea@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 20 Jan 2009, Hector Alfonso Gonzalez Ramirez wrote: > I would also love to see the ambassador kit, we could customize it for > latam, of course if permission?s given Of course you have permission -- you don't need to ask for permission to build an Ambassador kit. Probably a good idea to work with Rodrigo on this project in LATAM. --Max From mspevack at redhat.com Wed Feb 4 08:27:27 2009 From: mspevack at redhat.com (Max Spevack) Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2009 09:27:27 +0100 (CET) Subject: [Ambassadors] Organize NA and EMEA IRC meeting In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Fri, 30 Jan 2009, Francesco Ugolini wrote: > Sometime ago, I was asked to help organizing a shared meeting with > EMEA and NA to share ideas about initiatives and have a better look at > each other. > > I want to ask all the interest to think about it, once again, maybe > trying to find a time/date to make this important meeting happening. Not until after FOSDEM -- I think things are too busy for the EMEA ambassadors this week (at least they are for me!). I would encourage Francesco to pick 2 or 3 times next week -- between the 10th and the 14th -- and we just use whatever time works for the most people. --Max From inode0 at gmail.com Wed Feb 4 18:20:35 2009 From: inode0 at gmail.com (inode0) Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2009 12:20:35 -0600 Subject: [Ambassadors] FAmNA Meeting Summary from 2009-02-03 Message-ID: * Announcements - herlo asks that we volunteer to suggest topics for upcoming sessions https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/IRC/Classroom - lcafiero announces Birds of a Feather added to FAD-SCaLE * XO Developer Program - ke4qqq reports that after initial discussions at FUDcon about using the ambassador program to help the XO developer program get XOs into the hands of developers the OLPC project has shipped 100 XOs to us which should arrive in a week or so. Further discussion of this item moved into the Open Floor section of the program. * Fedora Infrastructure - Mike McGrath joined the meeting to introduce us to the Fedora Infrastructure project. - Discussion covered a lot of ground. What work is the group involved with? What is the process to get new contributors involved? What skills are in high demand? How is the team organized? How does one get sponsored? What are all these FIGs? Is there a place for less skilled entry level contributors? Who contributes from a corporate/academic angle? And more ... - All ambassadors interested in learning more about the infrastructure team are encouraged to read the minutes for the complete discussion. * Montreal Linux Symposium [http://www.linuxsymposium.org/2009/cfp.php] - djf_jeff reports that he can now take ownership of the Fedora presence at MLS this year! We'll work with djf_jeff to help get the details coordinated with the MLS people and get whatever is needed sent up north. * FAD -- SCaLE and beyond [https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_Activity_Day_at_SCaLE_7x] - the_real_lcafier updates us on the planning for SCaLE and its FAD, things are moving forward nicely. - jsmidt updates us on the planning for LUCI http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/LUCI - quaid discusses some ideas about arranging remote participation at the FAD, met with hearty cheers. * Budget Review [https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/NA/Budget] - Reminder to keep updating the budget with needs and expenses - Start thinking about and filling in a Q1 budget * Tasks [https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/NA/Tasks] - No report * Open Floor - ke4qqq resumed discussion of the XO developer program. We need to get these moved out of our hands and into the hands of developers and be able to followup to show that good stuff is happening. Lots of enthusiastic volunteers to help. - Next meeting is in 2 weeks on February 17th and we'll set our schedule for the following quarter then. I would again like to thank all the participants, especially the new ambassadors joining us for the first time tonight. And a special thanks to Mike McGrath for taking the time to meet with ambassadors so they can better understand one critical area within the Fedora Project. From inode0 at gmail.com Wed Feb 4 18:21:48 2009 From: inode0 at gmail.com (inode0) Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2009 12:21:48 -0600 Subject: [Ambassadors] FAmNA Meeting Minutes from 2009-02-03 Message-ID: (08:00:34 PM) inode0: FAmNA Roll Call (08:00:54 PM) pcalarco: PascalCalarco (08:01:28 PM) ***lcafiero is Larry Cafiero (08:01:53 PM) ***jsmidt is Joseph Smidt (08:02:24 PM) DemonJester: .fas bpowell01 (08:02:25 PM) zodbot: DemonJester: bpowell01 'Brian Powell' (08:02:45 PM) djf_jeff: .fas jfsaucier (08:02:46 PM) zodbot: djf_jeff: jfsaucier 'Jean-Francois Saucier' (08:03:42 PM) ***inode0 looks around (08:04:55 PM) inode0: Well, mmcgrath should be joining us in a bit, may be delayed by another meeting so let's begin with announcements (08:05:15 PM) inode0: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/IRC/Classroom (08:05:37 PM) inode0: herlo asks that we volunteer to suggest topics for upcoming sessions (08:06:14 PM) ***inode0 missed everyone last week (08:06:27 PM) ***lcafiero says "ditto to that inode0" (08:06:29 PM) inode0: any other announcements from anyone (08:06:39 PM) djf_jeff: sadly I cannot attend, I am out of town this weekend, but, I think this event need more publicity. I follow all the fedora related blog and I just learn that this event occur this weekend... (08:06:44 PM) mmcgrath: inode0: hey (08:07:04 PM) lcafiero: There's a Birds of a Feather added to FAD-SCaLE but I'll talk about that more during that part of the meeting (08:07:06 PM) inode0: ok, our guest has arrived! (08:07:14 PM) mmcgrath: inode0: just checking, where am I on the schedule? Do I have 5 minutees or should I get started now? (08:07:26 PM) inode0: would you like 5 minutes? that is fine (08:07:41 PM) mmcgrath: 5 would be great! (08:07:55 PM) inode0: just ping when you are back and we will switch gears (08:07:57 PM) mmcgrath: my meeting ran a bit late, I'm still headed home (I'm in a gas station parking lot right now if you can believe that :) (08:08:05 PM) mmcgrath: sounds good, be back in just a second. (08:08:23 PM) lcafiero: What's gas going for there? :-) (08:08:33 PM) ***quaid arrives late (08:08:38 PM) ***lcafiero withdraws the question. (08:08:38 PM) inode0: $1.79 last time for me (08:09:01 PM) djf_jeff: $0.85 for me (08:09:09 PM) lcafiero: Mon dieu! (08:09:17 PM) inode0: you buy something non-gallons though don't you? (08:09:20 PM) djf_jeff: we are in liter not gallon ;) (08:09:46 PM) inode0: welcome quaid (08:09:59 PM) inode0: let's get the budget item out of the way next (08:09:59 PM) ***ke4qqq is late (08:10:10 PM) inode0: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/NA/Budget (08:10:32 PM) djf_jeff: inode0: just a little bit for the classroom, is there any publicity that I miss? (08:10:36 PM) inode0: Reminder to everyone to keep this fellow updated as best we can and if you have needs please add them (08:11:04 PM) inode0: djf_jeff: to be honest there hasn't been a lot, it gets some in IRC though (08:11:33 PM) inode0: some on mailing lists too iirc (08:11:46 PM) djf_jeff: ok thank you, maybe we can help with that because it's a lot of effort and the more people that join, the better (08:12:15 PM) ***inode0 thinks perhaps we should add the Q1 starter budget soonish (08:12:52 PM) inode0: djf_jeff: yes, great. Spread the word. We've talked about it from time to time. (08:13:11 PM) inode0: Max gave some sessions for ambassadors in the past and we promoted those internally (08:13:12 PM) djf_jeff: good, I will take care of that! (08:14:06 PM) inode0: task list we can skip in the interest of time tonight (08:14:23 PM) inode0: ke4qqq: want to slip your agenda item in here while we wait for Mike to return? (08:14:39 PM) ke4qqq: sure (08:15:00 PM) mmcgrath: inode0: ready whenever you are! (08:15:35 PM) ke4qqq: so at fudcon we talked abt integrating olpc into fedora (08:16:16 PM) ke4qqq: and an idea we pitched was letting the ambassadors run the dev. xo program (08:16:36 PM) ke4qqq: and they have now shipped 100 to us (08:16:42 PM) ***mmcgrath does apologize for the delay. (08:16:58 PM) inode0: mmcgrath: don't worry about it, you're next :) (08:18:10 PM) mmcgrath: k (08:18:10 PM) ke4qqq: so first we need to talk about how we will handle this, and since i am typing on goggle g1 i'll be available at the end of the mtg and let mike talk now (08:18:40 PM) inode0: good plan, we'll come back to the XO dev. program then (08:18:44 PM) DemonJester: show off! :-) (08:19:07 PM) inode0: So let me introduce mmcgrath to everyone and welcome him (08:19:38 PM) inode0: Can you begin by telling us a little about what the infrastructure team does? (08:19:40 PM) ***mmcgrath waves (08:20:15 PM) DemonJester: welcome! (08:20:31 PM) mmcgrath: So the infrastructure team is basically a group of sysadmins, engineers and developers that do all the normal things an IT shop would do (08:20:53 PM) mmcgrath: We run all of Fedora's "official" servers. (08:21:12 PM) mmcgrath: The team is divided up into a couple of different group's called "FIGs" (Fedora Infrastructure Group) (08:21:19 PM) mmcgrath: At the top of this group, is sysadmin-main. (08:21:25 PM) inode0: both servers and the services, right? (08:21:27 PM) mmcgrath: this is the group that has access to everything. (08:21:30 PM) mmcgrath: inode0: correct. (08:21:44 PM) mmcgrath: we basically handle everything all the way up to the actual content / presentation layer. (08:21:59 PM) mmcgrath: so when you go to docs.fedoraproject.org, we maintain everything there except the actual words on the page, and the look of the page. (08:22:16 PM) mmcgrath: The exception to this comes to our custom built webapps. (08:22:28 PM) mmcgrath: In most businesses there is a clear line between development and infrastructure. (08:22:33 PM) mmcgrath: "developers" and "sysadmins" (08:22:38 PM) mmcgrath: Fedora blurs that line. (08:22:52 PM) inode0: which is good for both imo (08:22:54 PM) mmcgrath: So applications like Bodhi, pkgdb, smolt, mirrormanager, etc. (08:23:08 PM) mmcgrath: Those are all developed, but all of those developers are also members of the sysadmin team. (08:23:17 PM) mmcgrath: inode0: yeah, it's worked remarkably well for us. (08:23:27 PM) mmcgrath: So aside from the sysadmin-main group. (08:23:35 PM) mmcgrath: we have a bunch of other FIGS that each have individual tasks. (08:23:49 PM) mmcgrath: this allows us to give people and new volunteers access to our systems, without handing over all the keys to the castle right away (08:23:52 PM) ***mmcgrath gets a link (08:24:03 PM) mmcgrath: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Infrastructure/FIGs (08:25:15 PM) mmcgrath: inode0: so thats the high level view :) (08:25:27 PM) inode0: if you'd like to talk about the process involved in joining that would be good too (08:25:41 PM) inode0: our goal is this (08:26:06 PM) inode0: understand what you do, identify contributors who might fit, help them get started (08:26:16 PM) mmcgrath: Sure, well here's the main link you want (08:26:18 PM) mmcgrath: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Infrastructure/GettingStarted (08:26:39 PM) mmcgrath: The two hard parts about joining are realizing it takes a large time commitment. (08:26:55 PM) mmcgrath: We've had volunteers (like myself before I got hired) put in 20-40 hours a week before. (08:27:15 PM) mmcgrath: But if you don't have at least 5-7 hours a week to give to the infrastructure team, its hard to really get involved. (08:27:24 PM) mmcgrath: The other hard part, is getting sponsorship. (08:27:33 PM) ***mmcgrath notes the Get Sponsored link on that page. (08:27:40 PM) mmcgrath: You really have to bug people to get sponsored. (08:27:46 PM) mmcgrath: Part of this is because people are busy and forget. (08:27:52 PM) mmcgrath: but the other part is to show dedication to join the team. (08:28:03 PM) mmcgrath: we have a _lot_ of turnover in the infrastructure team. (08:28:07 PM) mmcgrath: but the environment is complex. (08:28:18 PM) mmcgrath: it can take a couple of weeks to really get a handle on where everything is, finding help, etc. (08:28:21 PM) ke4qqq: so how do you show dedication without sponsorship? (08:28:30 PM) mmcgrath: ke4qqq: by keep asking for it :) (08:28:53 PM) mmcgrath: And by participating on the list and coming to the meetings. (08:28:53 PM) inode0: do you need sponsorship for sysadmin FIG itself? (08:29:04 PM) mmcgrath: Not for the main sysadmin group. (08:29:08 PM) mmcgrath: err sorry (08:29:15 PM) mmcgrath: you do for sysadmin-main, but not the basic 'sysadmin' group. (08:29:24 PM) mmcgrath: You just need to apply and introduce yourself to the list. (08:29:24 PM) inode0: right, I understood (08:29:41 PM) mmcgrath: the basic sysadmin group is mostly a tracker group, but nagios alerts also go to that group. (08:30:20 PM) mmcgrath: Its not that we like turning potential people away. (08:30:41 PM) mmcgrath: but it takes a lot of time to do the training, and if we trained everyone that showed up only to have them vanish in a week, we wouldn't get anything done :( (08:31:09 PM) inode0: sure, it makes sense to see who shows interest over time (08:31:12 PM) ke4qqq: whats ther base level of skills you are looking for... (08:31:20 PM) mmcgrath: we revisit this every now and again to make it better, but this method has worked fairly well in separating the people who think "this is a good idea" and then "I don't have time for this" from the "this is a good idea" and then "I'm still here and can totally work on it" (08:31:37 PM) mmcgrath: Generally we look for any and all skill levels. (08:31:38 PM) ke4qqq: for instance do you have entry level jobs for people or need they be sysadmin of the year types? (08:31:54 PM) mmcgrath: and I like to try to guess someones skill level, then give them a task just above it. (08:32:13 PM) mmcgrath: there's lots of tasks that involve research, but not direct changes to the servers. (08:32:17 PM) mmcgrath: we do have some entry level jobs. (08:32:23 PM) mmcgrath: sysadmin-noc is a good example. (08:32:28 PM) mmcgrath: Its critical to our infrastructure. (08:32:32 PM) mmcgrath: (they're our monitoring group) (08:32:39 PM) ***quaid notes just watching nagios alerts is a learning experience (08:32:46 PM) DemonJester: lol (08:32:51 PM) mmcgrath: but at the same time, they don't have a lot of sudo access so there's little chance they'll break something. (08:33:14 PM) mmcgrath: but often they're the first people on the scene, so even if they can't fix it. They can give someone like me info when I show up to fix it if I've been paged in the middle of the night. (08:33:28 PM) mmcgrath: and our switch to zabbix will be interesting because we're going to focus on more self-fixing. (08:33:40 PM) mmcgrath: other then that its a matter of finding more simple jobs vs more complex jobs. (08:34:58 PM) inode0: Do you have a feel for how your members come to fedora and infrastructure now? (08:35:28 PM) ***herlo is here for a few minutes... (08:35:33 PM) inode0: I mean, how do they find you? (08:35:37 PM) mmcgrath: inode0: I think so. We run into the people that think they want to get involved in infrastructure, but what they really want is something more on Fedora the operating system (like fixing bugs or submitting kernel patches) (08:35:52 PM) mmcgrath: We've been pretty lucky in getting a stead stream of new volunteers. (08:36:10 PM) mmcgrath: When I feel its going south or we need people for a specific task, I do a cattle call via an announce list and planet.fedoraproject.org (08:36:24 PM) mmcgrath: thats how I found out about Fedora Infrastructure actually (08:36:33 PM) mmcgrath: from a notice from sopwith way back in the day. (08:36:59 PM) quaid: I've always thought linux sysadmins are a hugely under-tapped contributor base; do you get many people who are RHC*/sysadmins for their $dayjob? (08:37:15 PM) mmcgrath: quaid: yes, and I try to encourage that. (08:37:19 PM) mmcgrath: SmootherFrOgZ is a good example. (08:37:27 PM) mmcgrath: He seems to be using all the sweet new technologies we are at his job. (08:37:28 PM) ***inode0 could be a victim (08:37:45 PM) mmcgrath: I think what he does for $DAYJOB and what he does in $FEDORA work well together. (08:37:52 PM) mmcgrath: I know when I was a volunteer it was invaluable. (08:37:57 PM) quaid: I think it' (08:38:05 PM) quaid: s a sweet spot, yeah (08:38:21 PM) ***quaid talks with sysadmins at Linux events a fair amount (08:39:02 PM) mmcgrath: The hard part is convincing them to work with their employer to get them to be paid to work on fedora, during work hours for a couple hours a week. (08:39:09 PM) ***mmcgrath has been putting documentation together for that. (08:39:34 PM) inode0: academic places seem open to that (08:39:34 PM) mmcgrath: I know being involved in Fedora actually greatly improved the quality of my work at $DAYJOB. (08:39:59 PM) mmcgrath: if for no other reason then I had two teams of sysadmins to talk to with their own issues and experiences instead of just the one team. (08:40:06 PM) mmcgrath: (08:40:55 PM) djf_jeff: mmcgrath: can you give the documentation in question please? (08:41:29 PM) mmcgrath: djf_jeff: it's not published yet but it'll be part of the csi documentation at: http://infrastructure.fedoraproject.org/csi/ (08:41:44 PM) djf_jeff: thank you! (08:42:40 PM) mmcgrath: one thing I'll add that makes Fedora Infrastructure unique from other places I've worked is focus on OSS. (08:42:41 PM) inode0: so on the developer side what are the current needs in particular (08:42:50 PM) mmcgrath: We use only Free Software everywhere its feasible. (08:42:59 PM) mmcgrath: So, for example, it doesn't run on our cisco switches (yet) (08:43:09 PM) inode0: are there certain skills in big demand by infrastructure (08:43:09 PM) mmcgrath: but every bit we have in Fedora, you can do where you work. (08:43:21 PM) mmcgrath: which includes our build system, web services, telephony system, etc. (08:44:52 PM) ***jsmidt_ is really jsmidt jsmidt jsmidt_ (08:45:11 PM) inode0: your disguise wasn't clever enough to fool us jsmidt (08:45:28 PM) mmcgrath: :) (08:45:38 PM) mmcgrath: you guys have any other questions on Infrastructure? (08:45:44 PM) mmcgrath: Its really an old concept but being done in a new way :) (08:45:45 PM) jsmidt_: I got kicked off and won't let me log back in as jsmidt (08:45:49 PM) inode0: so database, TG, python? (08:45:58 PM) mmcgrath: yep (08:46:00 PM) mmcgrath: everything (08:46:04 PM) mmcgrath: oh, and we're heavily virtualized. (08:46:09 PM) mmcgrath: and have been for a little over 2 years now. (08:46:14 PM) mmcgrath: so we were pretty early adopters of that. (08:46:29 PM) inode0: shouldn't surprise anyone here (08:46:29 PM) ke4qqq: when is cloud coming? (08:46:35 PM) jsmidt_: mmcgrath, how is the preformance og kvm coming (08:46:51 PM) mmcgrath: ke4qqq: thats a good question. We have the hardware, its installed and powered. We're blocking on two network bits. (08:46:58 PM) mmcgrath: the first is our private network / switch configuration. (08:47:11 PM) mmcgrath: the next is getting 80 public IP's and ultimately somewhere around 400-500 public IP's (08:47:18 PM) mmcgrath: which is proving to take longer then the network guys thought I think :) (08:47:43 PM) inode0: mmcgrath: one last question from me (08:47:46 PM) mmcgrath: jsmidt_: good question, we still use xen + paravirt everywhere in Fedora. I've heard KVM's performance is getting closer to paravirt every day. They're probably very similar right nwo. (08:47:57 PM) jsmidt_: good (08:48:18 PM) inode0: is there anything you can think of that we can do to help make recruitment of new contributors easier? (08:48:43 PM) mmcgrath: inode0: I think the biggest thing is them not even reading what is there and not knowing what to expect. (08:48:45 PM) inode0: if not immediately please keep us in mind as we are willing to try anything we can to help (08:48:50 PM) ***lcafiero will be back in about 15 minutes (08:48:56 PM) mmcgrath: One thing I've been working on is some webcasting/podcasting abilities in Asterisk. (08:49:01 PM) mmcgrath: I'm pretty close to getting it up and ready. (08:49:10 PM) mmcgrath: what I'd like to do is create "want to get involved" type podcasts. (08:49:19 PM) mmcgrath: where users can just listen to what to do instead of all the reading. (08:49:33 PM) mmcgrath: as important as reading is, I think there's so much of it, people get turned off initially. (08:50:00 PM) inode0: I would make the observation that of the groups I've spent 10 minutes visiting the wiki for yours is one of the best for clearly laying things out (08:50:18 PM) ***mmcgrath is happy to hear that (08:50:39 PM) ***quaid sometimes has to read, hear, *and* be shown, fwiw (08:50:45 PM) inode0: are there any other questions for mmcgrath tonight? (08:51:05 PM) mmcgrath: quaid: yeah, everyone's different. And even individuals can be in a different mood for something depending on how their day is going :) (08:51:05 PM) djf_jeff: mmcgrath: does the infrastructure consist only on Fedora servers? (08:51:27 PM) mmcgrath: djf_jeff: so, here's a quick history lesson. (08:51:34 PM) mmcgrath: about 2 years ago we only had something like 13 servers. (08:51:40 PM) mmcgrath: Almost all of which were in Phoenix. (08:51:45 PM) mmcgrath: which is Red Hat's colo. (08:51:54 PM) mmcgrath: We did have a couple elsewhere, like at Duke. (08:52:13 PM) mmcgrath: our explosive growth, plus virtualization, we've now expanded to well over 100 servers. (08:52:22 PM) mmcgrath: and many of them are not in PHX and not on Red Hat owned hardware. (08:52:44 PM) mmcgrath: fedorahosted.org, talk.fedoraproject.org, fedorapeople, all sorts of services exist on no RH hardware at all. (08:52:52 PM) mmcgrath: fedorapeople.org for example, is provided by Boston University (08:53:02 PM) mmcgrath: we still maintain the actual operating system and everything on it. (08:53:14 PM) mmcgrath: but the hardware, power, network, etc. Has all been donated. (08:53:32 PM) mmcgrath: On the actual servers themselves we run both Red Hat Enterprise Linux and Fedora depending on the task of the server. (08:53:37 PM) mmcgrath: we even have some rawhide out there :) (08:54:15 PM) ***mmcgrath notes his proud sponsors - http://fedoraproject.org/sponsors (08:54:23 PM) djf_jeff: good, thank you for the answer! (08:54:35 PM) ke4qqq: how much donated equipment as a percentage is there? (08:54:40 PM) ke4qqq: ie not donated by RH (08:55:01 PM) mmcgrath: Thats a good question. (08:55:22 PM) mmcgrath: If you exclude the public mirrors and the buildsystem. (08:55:35 PM) mmcgrath: I'd say only about 40% of the physical servers are owned by Red Hat. (08:55:43 PM) mmcgrath: compared to 90% just a couple of years ago. (08:56:03 PM) ke4qqq: wow that's impressive (08:56:06 PM) mmcgrath: The buildsystem kind of throws things for a loop but even including the buildsystem I'd say its only 60-70% RH owned. (08:56:12 PM) inode0: really nice that more people/companies are getting involved (08:56:15 PM) mmcgrath: I've worked hard to spread our servers. (08:56:38 PM) ke4qqq: so as we are talking with companies - anything in particular you are looking for hardware wise (08:56:39 PM) mmcgrath: It benefits everyone. Its cheaper for RH, puts more ownership in the community and allows companies to get involved with Fedora in an official manner. (08:57:01 PM) mmcgrath: ke4qqq: really the biggest request would be a server with lots of ram, bandwidth and power. (08:57:22 PM) mmcgrath: our standard request is a 32G RAM box, 2 quad core processors, and 250-750G drive space. (08:57:32 PM) mmcgrath: using virtualization... a server like that can go a VERY long way. (08:57:43 PM) mmcgrath: in theory we could fit 64 test hosts on a server like that. (08:58:00 PM) mmcgrath: production level stuff around 5-10 hosts (08:58:05 PM) mmcgrath: if you do a "dig fedoraproject.org" (08:58:09 PM) mmcgrath: you'll notice we're multihomed. (08:58:11 PM) ke4qqq: that's not too bad, maybe 5k in cost for the hardware (08:58:16 PM) quaid: yeah, we should be able to recruit hosting sponsors at events. (08:58:22 PM) ke4qqq: yeah (08:58:23 PM) mmcgrath: ke4qqq: yep, 5k on the low end 10k on the very high end. (08:58:38 PM) mmcgrath: we've really got a mature environment, and having additional hosting can go a long way. (08:58:53 PM) ke4qqq: what if someone wants to do a one time gift rather than coloing - can they just ship you a server? (08:59:02 PM) mmcgrath: ke4qqq: yep, we've had that before too. (08:59:09 PM) inode0: are there university sponsors beyond BU and Duke? (08:59:12 PM) mmcgrath: Or even one company gives a free server, the other gives free hosting. (08:59:20 PM) mmcgrath: inode0: actually Duke is no longer a sponsor I'm afraid (08:59:27 PM) ke4qqq: I remeber talk of space issues in phx, so I wasn't sure (08:59:55 PM) mmcgrath: I don't think there are other university sponsors. Ibiblio might sortof count (09:00:26 PM) inode0: we can work on that too :) (09:00:46 PM) ***mmcgrath likes working with universities, it feels... natural. (09:00:53 PM) ke4qqq: yeah... lots of opportunity there (09:01:35 PM) inode0: this has been great (09:02:03 PM) ***mmcgrath is always happy to talk about this stuff so just let me know or stop by #fedora-admin (09:02:04 PM) inode0: I don't want to chase mmcgrath off but don't want to keep him too much longer either, he is busy and needs to sleep (09:02:13 PM) DemonJester: yes, very interesting and informative thanks for your time! (09:02:15 PM) mmcgrath: :) (09:02:37 PM) inode0: yes, thanks a bunch mmcgrath, we'll keep in touch (09:02:39 PM) pcalarco: thanks much, mmcgrath! (09:02:42 PM) djf_jeff: thanks for your time, I really appreciate the informations! (09:02:45 PM) ke4qqq: thanks Mike! (09:02:51 PM) mmcgrath: well I'll get to some stuff but I'll be around for a while so if you want to know anything, just ping! (09:03:17 PM) inode0: feel free to jump in if are moved to :) (09:03:44 PM) inode0: Next agenda time is FAD et. al. - lcafiero (09:03:45 PM) jsmidt_: thanks mmcgrath (09:04:09 PM) inode0: did larry come back? (09:04:41 PM) inode0: perhaps next will be Montreal - djf_jeff :) (09:04:54 PM) djf_jeff: ok, np (09:04:54 PM) ***DemonJester needs to step away for a bit. (09:05:27 PM) djf_jeff: very good news, my employer is happy to pay my travel cost, salary and let me stay at our company apartment in Montreal for the week! So, I can confirm my presence for the symposium! (09:05:34 PM) ke4qqq: outstanding (09:05:36 PM) ke4qqq: ! (09:05:39 PM) inode0: woot (09:05:47 PM) pcalarco: awesome (09:06:30 PM) inode0: ke4qqq (09:06:35 PM) djf_jeff: yeah, really kind of him (09:06:50 PM) ke4qqq: what can we do to facilitate your success? (09:07:21 PM) ke4qqq: inode0? (09:07:36 PM) djf_jeff: now, I am relatively new to the Ambassador group, so I will need your help and guidance for the event (09:08:24 PM) djf_jeff: what is normally planned for an event like that, what is the normal Fedora presence, is there anything extra that we can do, etc? (09:08:34 PM) ke4qqq: ok, well we can certainly help you there. (09:09:04 PM) ***inode0 steps out for 5 minutes (09:09:11 PM) djf_jeff: I know that some of you has already talk to the symposium people on some details, like booth, etc (09:09:34 PM) ke4qqq: yes - well matt has talked to people - we'll get you hooked up with those folks and see what you can grow it into (09:10:20 PM) djf_jeff: good, you will certainly see me on #fedora-ambassador asking questions ;) (09:10:44 PM) djf_jeff: #fedora-ambassadors or else I will be alone (09:11:03 PM) ke4qqq: ok (09:11:15 PM) ke4qqq: we'll get you hooked up (09:11:59 PM) ke4qqq: welcome larry (09:12:05 PM) ke4qqq: tell us abotu fad (09:12:07 PM) ***the_real_lcafier is the real Larry Cafiero (09:12:20 PM) ***the_real_lcafier urges you to accept no substitutes. (09:12:23 PM) quaid: /msg nickserv help ghost (09:12:34 PM) djf_jeff: so for the moment, I am done with my point and can let lcafiero to his point (09:12:35 PM) quaid: the_real_lcafier: ^^^^^^ (09:12:56 PM) the_real_lcafier: Oh, sorry djf_jeff (09:13:11 PM) djf_jeff: np, I was already done! (09:13:16 PM) ***quaid ready to play straight man for the_real_lcafier (09:13:25 PM) the_real_lcafier: Thanks, quaid (09:13:40 PM) the_real_lcafier: Okay, sorry. I had to go home because my wife locked herself out of the house (09:13:48 PM) the_real_lcafier: Anyway, FAD-SCaLE and beyond. (09:14:21 PM) the_real_lcafier: FAD-SCaLE planning is going as scheduled. We have the Kennedy Room at the Westin Airport Los Angeles on Friday 2/20 from 9-6 (09:15:00 PM) the_real_lcafier: Today we scheduled a Birds of a Feather for 7-8 in the room next to it, where we can either do what's normally done at BoF or continue working (09:15:18 PM) ***the_real_lcafier votes for the former. (09:15:48 PM) the_real_lcafier: We;re anticipating the participation of ke4qqq, who may fly from sea to shining sea to join us, true? (09:15:54 PM) ke4qqq: perhaps (09:16:02 PM) ke4qqq: still waiting on $dayjob to tell me yes or no (09:16:06 PM) the_real_lcafier: And everyone else who may be in the neighborhood who might want to participate. (09:16:13 PM) ***the_real_lcafier crosses fingers (09:16:14 PM) ke4qqq: though at least one day will be dedicated to zenoss if i do (09:16:26 PM) ke4qqq: have you hit the socal people up? (09:16:44 PM) the_real_lcafier: zenoss may be at the same time as FAD, and if so I'm pulling the fire alarm near the Zanoss presentation. (09:17:20 PM) the_real_lcafier: We also have one or two more slots for volunteers to staff the booth. (09:17:42 PM) the_real_lcafier: So far it's herlo, quaid, me, jsmidt_ and . . . is anyone here I'm missing? (09:17:56 PM) quaid: ke4qqq perhaps (09:17:58 PM) quaid: jds2001: (09:17:59 PM) ke4qqq: adora hopefully (09:18:04 PM) ke4qqq: jds2001 is flying in (09:18:06 PM) jsmidt_: yep (09:18:16 PM) the_real_lcafier: adora is moving from san diego to santa cruz that weekend and is unavailable. (09:18:26 PM) inode0: be sure to add your names to the list at (09:18:29 PM) ke4qqq: she's moving to quaidtown??? (09:18:32 PM) ke4qqq: with david? (09:18:33 PM) inode0: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_Activity_Day_at_SCaLE_7x (09:18:37 PM) quaid: ain't that funny (09:18:55 PM) the_real_lcafier: indeed. (09:19:00 PM) ke4qqq: I expect her to be fully indoctrinated shortly thereafter (09:19:32 PM) the_real_lcafier: Looking forward a little bit, we've contacted LFNW to have a FAD and booth there in April. (09:19:42 PM) ***djf_jeff need to step out for 10 minutes (09:20:14 PM) quaid: ke4qqq: she doesn't know it, but we're going to talk her in to leading the in-danger SlugLUG :) (09:20:16 PM) the_real_lcafier: Also -- jsmidt_ can pipe in here too since he's in the forefront of this -- we're also planning an event at UC Irvine called LUCI -- Linux UC Irvine. (09:20:30 PM) the_real_lcafier: +1 to quaid :-) (09:20:37 PM) jsmidt_: yes on April 11 (09:20:37 PM) ke4qqq: lol (09:20:48 PM) the_real_lcafier: Want to talk about LUCI, jsmidt_ ? (09:20:53 PM) jsmidt_: Sure (09:20:54 PM) the_real_lcafier: Or shall I drone on?? (09:21:02 PM) ke4qqq: she used to organize barcamp SD so she should be a good resource. (09:21:39 PM) jsmidt_: We want to build a Linux presence in the Irvine (09:22:08 PM) jsmidt_: the_real_lcafier, and myself along with the Ubuntu Loco team have decided to hold an event we are calling LUCI (09:22:32 PM) jsmidt_: We will also invite any upstream who would like to attend. (09:23:08 PM) jsmidt_: We will give talks and presentations for students as well as how educators can use Linux in their enviornment (09:23:29 PM) jsmidt_: I think I have found the right place to hold the event (09:23:37 PM) the_real_lcafier: +1 jsmidt_ (09:24:00 PM) jsmidt_: There is a decent semiar room with a lounge with couches and space to set up displays/booths, etc (09:24:12 PM) jsmidt_: Everyone is invited. (09:24:24 PM) the_real_lcafier: wiki: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/LUCI (09:24:33 PM) jsmidt_: I hope this helps gets Linux noticed by local eduactors and students (09:24:44 PM) jsmidt_: That's it in a nutshell (09:25:34 PM) the_real_lcafier: Also, there's an emphasis on upstream here, I think. But anyway, jsmidt_ is on campus and it's a pretty good opportunity to get exposure for Fedora in a rather populous area. (09:25:35 PM) inode0: fantastic stuff going on on the west coast (09:26:00 PM) the_real_lcafier: Orange County is bigger than several states, population wise (09:26:22 PM) inode0: better orange juice than most states too (09:26:37 PM) the_real_lcafier: I prefer Iowa orange juice, inode0 (09:26:38 PM) inode0: people who live there may not know that :) (09:26:39 PM) the_real_lcafier: :-) (09:27:02 PM) the_real_lcafier: But essentially, there are a list of the upcoming FADs on the FAD wiki page (09:27:10 PM) the_real_lcafier: the name of which escapes me (09:27:40 PM) inode0: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FAD (09:27:53 PM) the_real_lcafier: And I wanted to touch on one thing that someone said on list -- I think someone wanted to know when the FAD in there area was going to happen, and I haven't replied but I would have said "When do you plan to organize it?" (09:28:00 PM) the_real_lcafier: Thanks, inode0! (09:28:36 PM) quaid: that came up during the Board IRC meeting today (09:28:40 PM) quaid: in the public channel (09:28:46 PM) inode0: mmcgrath is also working on a Chicago area FAD and others may want to consider joining with him to make that happen (09:28:57 PM) quaid: one thing about this coming FAD at SCaLE (09:28:59 PM) the_real_lcafier: I'm sorry I missed the Montreal presentation earlier while driving home (09:29:07 PM) quaid: I REALLY want to include virtual folks (09:29:23 PM) quaid: via irc and talk (09:29:25 PM) ke4qqq: lcafiero: see I can attend Zenoss and FAD virtually :) (09:29:29 PM) inode0: quaid: might that be possible at SCaLE? (09:29:31 PM) the_real_lcafier: +1 quaid -- we discussed that today and that's something we're going to do at FAD SCaLE (09:29:39 PM) ***pcalarco can likely help with a Chicago FAD (09:29:40 PM) quaid: I'm hoping the much lower distraction, higher focus of a small FAD group will facilitate that (09:29:44 PM) quaid: inode0: that's the one (09:29:44 PM) inode0: because I'm very interested in trying to participate remotely (09:29:48 PM) the_real_lcafier: we = quaid and me (09:30:18 PM) quaid: inode0: yes; for the User Guide and Fonts packaging; I want to see if we can get the lead for the UG and maybe nim-nim available during some/all of the time (09:30:22 PM) ***the_real_lcafier is relieved he doesn't have to pull the fire alarm (09:30:34 PM) quaid: plus anyone else who wants to help (09:31:03 PM) inode0: sweet (09:31:05 PM) quaid: so if anyone wants to bring SIP phone or audio gear ... :) (09:31:13 PM) ianweller: i would help if i didn't live 5 states away or have school or no money, fyi. :) (09:31:20 PM) the_real_lcafier: is this something we should include in the event box, quaid? (09:31:21 PM) ***ianweller continues lurking (09:31:28 PM) quaid: the_real_lcafier: good question (09:31:35 PM) inode0: that has come up (09:31:45 PM) quaid: inode0: if you are around on 20 Feb you'll surely be asked for something :) (09:31:47 PM) the_real_lcafier: ianweller, you can still attend virtually (09:31:52 PM) ianweller: the_real_lcafier: \o/ (09:32:34 PM) the_real_lcafier: wouldn't be the same without you, ianweller (09:32:46 PM) inode0: we can and should spend persistent infrastructure resources on getting audio gear for event boxes, at least I completely support that (09:33:11 PM) the_real_lcafier: Sounds like an agenda item for the next meeting . . . . (09:33:14 PM) ke4qqq: stickster_afk: can we ship lcafiero a sip phone for this adventure? (09:33:20 PM) ***the_real_lcafier agrees with inode0 (09:33:32 PM) quaid: I have one that needs a PoE adapter (09:33:39 PM) quaid: I can bring that p'raps (09:34:00 PM) ke4qqq: ianweller: I thought you were hooking quaid up with that (09:34:39 PM) quaid: oh? (09:35:51 PM) ***quaid disappears for a bit (09:36:07 PM) ke4qqq: alright - has inode0 reappeared? (09:36:09 PM) inode0: Shall we open the floor now? (09:36:16 PM) ***ke4qqq raises his hand (09:36:17 PM) inode0: Any other topics (09:36:20 PM) inode0: ke4qqq: (09:36:33 PM) ke4qqq: ok, so OLPC is shipping me 20k worth of XOs (09:36:42 PM) ke4qqq: that we have 6 months to do something with (09:36:52 PM) ke4qqq: and show that we have a positive return for them (09:37:04 PM) ke4qqq: they were very pleased with the QA stuff last release (09:37:21 PM) ke4qqq: sooooo.... first things first - i need to get them in Ambassadors hands (09:37:37 PM) ke4qqq: multiple of them, because your job is to get rid of them. (09:37:40 PM) inode0: don't you need to get them in developers hands?! (09:37:41 PM) ke4qqq: to develoeprs (09:38:00 PM) ke4qqq: I can't do that if people who interact with potential develoeprs don't have them to hand out (09:38:23 PM) ***inode0 has no idea how you are planning to disperse them (09:38:33 PM) ke4qqq: so I'll send 6-10 with inode0 for Pycon.... (09:38:54 PM) ke4qqq: he can keep one, and work on finding some dedicated python hackers (09:39:00 PM) inode0: possibly not a good idea since inode0 doesn't know if he is going to pycon (09:39:03 PM) ke4qqq: to work on sugar or olpc or whatever (09:39:13 PM) ke4qqq: well pretend that for my example you are (09:39:20 PM) herlo: you guys can't forget spot for the FAD at SCaLE :) (09:39:20 PM) inode0: but we can get them to pycon through someone who is (09:39:51 PM) jsmidt_: ke4qqq, I'm confused, what are people supposed to do with these? (09:40:09 PM) inode0: good place to back up to (09:40:11 PM) ke4qqq: b/c this is unexpected, I'll likely only ship some for SCALE this month so as not to tear our shipping budget to shreds (09:40:24 PM) ke4qqq: ok (09:40:28 PM) ke4qqq: so a bit of history (09:40:41 PM) ke4qqq: OLPC's Give one get one program this year didn't do so well (09:40:48 PM) ke4qqq: as a matter of fact it did really poorly.... (09:40:58 PM) ke4qqq: they were dependent on that for funding engineering (09:41:14 PM) ke4qqq: so now they are working to have a stock f11 work on the xo (09:41:28 PM) ke4qqq: which means all of the hacks they introduced have to be merged or coded around (09:41:34 PM) ke4qqq: which means lots of packaging. (09:41:46 PM) ke4qqq: in addition there are lots of things that just need to be written as sugar activities (09:42:00 PM) ke4qqq: one of the ways that we encourage contributors to contribute (09:42:05 PM) ke4qqq: is handing out an XO (09:42:16 PM) ***pcalarco read on the OLPC wiki that they raised $35M on this last G1G1 (09:42:44 PM) ke4qqq: pcalarco: that must be the LAST LAST ie 2 chrismases ago (09:42:47 PM) inode0: sounds wrong (09:42:50 PM) pcalarco: http://blogs.zdnet.com/BTL/?p=7502 (09:42:55 PM) ke4qqq: pcalarco: i know the real numbers and that isn't close (09:43:02 PM) pcalarco: ah, last year sry (09:43:21 PM) ke4qqq: so they are going to be a pure Fedora distro, not a remix or anything (09:43:28 PM) inode0: http://www.olpcnews.com/sales_talk/g1g1_2008/olpc_bust_g1g1_2008_sales.html (09:43:31 PM) ke4qqq: and there are 750k oLPC users (09:43:43 PM) ke4qqq: running what is essentially Fedora now (09:43:56 PM) the_real_lcafier: there is an active olpc user group in san francisco that I think we can draw help from (09:43:58 PM) inode0: that would be from the 2007 one pcalarco (09:44:09 PM) the_real_lcafier: at san francisco state university (09:44:13 PM) DemonJester: I could probably get about 8 devs between local college guys here and rochester if I can get them (09:44:28 PM) ke4qqq: DemonJester: done (09:44:31 PM) ke4qqq: i'll ship you 10 (09:44:40 PM) DemonJester: that would be cool! (09:44:46 PM) ke4qqq: now (09:45:00 PM) ke4qqq: the onus is on us to prove that this is beneficial (09:45:08 PM) ke4qqq: so we need to know who they went to (09:45:12 PM) ke4qqq: and what they are doing with them (09:45:16 PM) ke4qqq: and show results (09:45:22 PM) herlo: hrm, so can I be a negative nilly for a bit? (09:45:24 PM) ke4qqq: be it a month down the road or 6 months (09:45:32 PM) ke4qqq: give me one more minute (09:45:39 PM) ke4qqq: and then you can (09:45:42 PM) herlo: k, I'll go when you are ready, just let me know (09:45:52 PM) ke4qqq: and that also means you need to know what the OLPC sig is looking for (09:46:06 PM) ke4qqq: so read the minutes, send email to the list, etc. (09:46:10 PM) ke4qqq: herlo: go negative (09:46:52 PM) herlo: I'm all for making the OLPC successful, but I'm certain that while we can get some devs and even do some follow up, I'd like to know what we're going to do to make sure we cover our bases and track these things. (09:46:52 PM) DemonJester: ke4qqq: will do (09:47:35 PM) herlo: handing them out left and right only guarantees that we're giving them away. I'm happy to take a few myself (send them to lcafiero), but I find myself torn because tracking progress and providing results are very intertwined (09:47:56 PM) herlo: so my negative comment is, who's going to track all these laptops and the devs we give them to? And how? (09:48:00 PM) ke4qqq: wiki page should work I think, that also gives us a basis to follow up (09:48:13 PM) ke4qqq: the people who hand them out should do the follow up (09:48:18 PM) herlo: it seems like a big job to do for each of us who is already busy with a bunch of other things and lives to boot (09:48:34 PM) herlo: I'm just trying to put a bit of reality in here... (09:48:51 PM) the_real_lcafier: herlo is right, but I'm willing to add that to the list of things I have to do in my somewhat mundane life (09:48:54 PM) ke4qqq: one of the problems that olpc had a problem with is handling this program....I mean we asked for 4, and it took us months - and that's with two Fedora people on the inside lobbying for it, to get them. (09:49:27 PM) herlo: ke4qqq: but you said you got a ton coming quickly this last time right? (09:49:31 PM) ke4qqq: nothing says you have to, but i don't think it's more onerous than doing followup with people from shows that we do already (09:49:50 PM) herlo: we're supposed to follow up with people from shows ?? :-P (09:49:53 PM) ke4qqq: 100 are enroute, and i'm storing them unless someone else wants them (09:50:24 PM) the_real_lcafier: lol @ herlo (09:50:25 PM) jsmidt_: I can try to find a developer (09:50:33 PM) ke4qqq: right, the problem olpc had was they'd get someone interested, they'd start doing work ask for an XO and it'd never show up (09:50:41 PM) ke4qqq: or it'd show up after they gave up. (09:50:45 PM) the_real_lcafier: If you want to send me some for SCaLE, as herlo suggests, you can send some to me ke4qqq (09:50:56 PM) herlo: jsmidt_: that's kind of where I am, I don't know too many developers... (09:51:02 PM) ke4qqq: the_real_lcafier: I plan on it. (09:51:11 PM) the_real_lcafier: and I can find people to work on them. (09:51:28 PM) ke4qqq: it's python for crying out loud, not assembly (09:51:32 PM) the_real_lcafier: The Felton LUG doesn't realize what a great project they're about to embark on, bwahahahaha! (09:51:37 PM) ke4qqq: lol (09:51:39 PM) herlo: lol (09:51:40 PM) jsmidt_: I'm sure I can find someone. If you give one to give to the_real_lcafier he can get it to me (09:51:44 PM) jsmidt_: If before Scale (09:51:47 PM) herlo: I guess I could offer them to the LUGs around here... (09:51:50 PM) ke4qqq: k (09:51:58 PM) herlo: might get a few bites.. (09:52:10 PM) ke4qqq: be an interesting project for a lug - a lot of simple activities are in the request queue right now (09:52:11 PM) ***herlo is less negative now, but wants a better process (09:52:14 PM) ke4qqq: like simple addition (09:52:18 PM) the_real_lcafier: I will also talk to sameer verma at sf state to see if we can draft some folks from up there. (09:52:22 PM) ke4qqq: yes, I have to codify the process (09:52:30 PM) ke4qqq: ohhh so that's an interesting thing (09:52:35 PM) djf_jeff: ke4qqq: I could use one, being a bugzilla guy always trying to fix some bug. But for the moment, it will really be to show off to some government and more useful, to some university and lug in my region that can help us if the get in the project (09:52:36 PM) jsmidt_: There has to be developers in the LA area (09:52:37 PM) herlo: ke4qqq: one app I'd like to see is a real chat app, one that uses xmpp or something (09:52:49 PM) jsmidt_: That are interested (09:52:51 PM) pcalarco: OLPC Summer of Code! (09:52:54 PM) herlo: ya! (09:52:59 PM) ke4qqq: I had a college here ready to pay undergrads to work on OLPC (09:53:00 PM) ***herlo slaps his horse (09:53:02 PM) ke4qqq: but (09:53:14 PM) ke4qqq: OLPC didn't get them a machine fast enough so they lost funding for it (09:53:19 PM) ke4qqq: that's the kind of thing we want to avoid (09:53:22 PM) the_real_lcafier: Clemson? (09:53:28 PM) ke4qqq: College of Charletson (09:53:47 PM) ke4qqq: that's the kind of thing that's ideal (09:54:05 PM) ke4qqq: sooooo all of you people wanting these - fill out a famna request :0 (09:54:08 PM) the_real_lcafier: I'll also talk to faculty at Oregon State to see if there's an interest up there. (09:54:24 PM) the_real_lcafier: +1 ke4qqq (09:54:44 PM) jsmidt_: ke4qqq, where are famna requests? (09:54:49 PM) ke4qqq: I told Ed Mcnierney that if he gave us the tools to do the job that we'd do a better job in 6 motnhs than they have in 2 years. (09:55:02 PM) ke4qqq: fedorahosted.org/famna-requests (09:55:06 PM) ke4qqq: right/ (09:55:08 PM) ke4qqq: ? (09:55:08 PM) pcalarco: I can talk to the folks in CompSci here as well; there is also interest in using XOs in a University project in Nigeria that ND has going (09:55:10 PM) djf_jeff: ke4qqq: but, does it count if it's just one unit to show off to potential dev, because I don't know 10 devs right now (09:55:25 PM) djf_jeff: and I don't want to get 10 olpc just for fun (09:55:29 PM) ke4qqq: djf_jeff: yes, you'll get oen (09:55:41 PM) ke4qqq: you have to show them off to get people interested (09:55:47 PM) ke4qqq: and it's a great geek magnet (09:55:48 PM) inode0: but we will have to track you djf_jeff :) (09:55:51 PM) ke4qqq: lol (09:56:10 PM) ke4qqq: yeah, I do expect some reports about how you are showing these off - even if just blog posts.... (09:56:13 PM) the_real_lcafier: heh (09:56:15 PM) ke4qqq: olpc is reading them (09:56:48 PM) ke4qqq: the reason they agreed aside from greg telling them to send them to me, was they saw that I pushed OLPC and mentioned it in my blog at every speaking opportunity (09:56:50 PM) djf_jeff: np with that, there is a lug meeting each month with ~15-25 peoples, surely one or two will be interested (09:56:58 PM) ke4qqq: right (09:58:01 PM) ke4qqq: and we completely run this - no one is telling us how, so if you have a good idea for how to increase people working on Fedora/olpc and it involves an XO, get it done (09:58:10 PM) ke4qqq: we have the equipment coming (09:58:19 PM) ke4qqq: it should be here next week (09:58:33 PM) ke4qqq: and btw (09:58:45 PM) ke4qqq: the most awesome demonstration i've seen with an XO yet (09:59:00 PM) ke4qqq: is to watch gdk kick an XO across the room - so don't be afraid to do that (09:59:09 PM) the_real_lcafier: cool (09:59:10 PM) ke4qqq: they really will take it with no problems (09:59:27 PM) the_real_lcafier: I'd even stand with my arms up as a goalpost (09:59:32 PM) ke4qqq: lol (09:59:37 PM) ke4qqq: any questions (09:59:38 PM) ke4qqq: ? (09:59:41 PM) djf_jeff: kick like in really big kick? (09:59:52 PM) djf_jeff: chuck norris style? ;) (10:00:00 PM) the_real_lcafier: Yeah, they were dropping them a couple of years ago on purpose at LinuxWorld. (10:00:04 PM) ke4qqq: like in enough to send a 3-4 lb laptop across a 15 foot room. (10:00:47 PM) djf_jeff: wow, didn't know it was built so hard (10:01:14 PM) the_real_lcafier: so we go to fedorahosted.org/famna-requests, ke4qqq (10:01:14 PM) ke4qqq: ok - then since no questions - i am done (10:01:18 PM) inode0: everyone can take a bit of time to think about this maybe ... sort of sudden news to absorb in 15 minutes (10:01:19 PM) ke4qqq: yep (10:01:26 PM) ke4qqq: yeah it is (10:01:31 PM) the_real_lcafier: Well, it's pretty interesting, yeah. (10:01:35 PM) ke4qqq: I honestly had doubts about whether they were going to let us (10:01:46 PM) ke4qqq: but they left chitown today (10:01:47 PM) the_real_lcafier: But at least I have several developers who I know might want to take a stab at it (10:01:53 PM) inode0: with some thought this group can come up with ideas (10:01:54 PM) the_real_lcafier: off the top of my head. (10:02:19 PM) ***the_real_lcafier is being called to dinner (10:02:26 PM) ke4qqq: and btw, promotion in my opinion is on the same level as developing if you are working to get contributors (even if they do nothing but qa work0 (10:02:32 PM) inode0: end of a 2 hour long meeting at the end of a 24 hour long day isn't conducive to clear thinking :) (10:03:12 PM) ke4qqq: you'll see more about this on the list in a day or so and a page on the wiki as well (10:03:28 PM) inode0: ok, before we wrap let me remind everyone next meeting is in 2 weeks on the 17th (10:03:35 PM) ***herlo wonders if bi-monthly meetings are the best idea :) (10:03:47 PM) inode0: try it for one month maybe :) (10:03:56 PM) inode0: or we'll never know (10:04:31 PM) herlo: hehe, it's fine with me, gives me more time to get things ready (10:04:36 PM) ke4qqq: indeed (10:04:45 PM) djf_jeff: ke4qqq: what is the status of the olpc translation just to know? (10:04:53 PM) inode0: if we need to go into emergency session next week we can if someone sends the secret signal (10:05:16 PM) ke4qqq: djf_jeff: it will be the same as Fedora's translation for this coming release (10:05:19 PM) ke4qqq: for past i don't know (10:05:41 PM) djf_jeff: ok, thank you (10:05:43 PM) ke4qqq: they are going stock F11 for their next release (10:06:00 PM) djf_jeff: stock F11 with sugar interface? (10:06:13 PM) ke4qqq: yes (10:06:18 PM) inode0: perhaps a gregdek visit sometime in our future would be good? (10:06:24 PM) ke4qqq: perhaps so (10:06:33 PM) djf_jeff: wow, really a good point for Fedora (10:06:34 PM) ke4qqq: next meeting? (10:06:51 PM) ke4qqq: it's always been Fedora (since f7) but they added their own stuff to it (10:06:56 PM) ke4qqq: now it's stock (10:07:04 PM) ***DemonJester notes I need to make time to attend the olpc meetings again (10:07:27 PM) inode0: will there be a lot of SCaLE/FAD stuff next meeting? (10:07:54 PM) inode0: we also need to set the post February meeting schedule before it is post February (10:08:17 PM) inode0: as I requested proposed times so far there have been none (10:08:45 PM) ke4qqq: that sounds like we stay the same (10:08:54 PM) ***DemonJester agrees (10:09:27 PM) inode0: by same you mean 1st/3rd Tuesday? or weekly on Tuesday? (10:09:48 PM) inode0: or just Tuesday same time whenever we decide? (10:10:05 PM) ke4qqq: time wise (10:10:09 PM) ke4qqq: 9pm eastern (10:10:26 PM) ke4qqq: we are still evaluating the twice monthly meeting (10:10:45 PM) inode0: I'm going to post one last time and announce the decision will be made next meeting ... so if there are no specific times proposed for the change it will stay the same. (10:11:17 PM) inode0: if there are we'll take it up in 2 weeks? (10:11:33 PM) ***DemonJester heads out (10:11:41 PM) inode0: we need to rap this up now (10:11:44 PM) ke4qqq: +1 (10:11:51 PM) inode0: thanks everyone for the long night (10:11:52 PM) inode0: 5 (10:11:54 PM) inode0: 4 (10:11:57 PM) inode0: 3 (10:11:58 PM) inode0: 2 (10:11:59 PM) inode0: 1 (10:12:01 PM) inode0: EOF From inode0 at gmail.com Wed Feb 4 18:35:15 2009 From: inode0 at gmail.com (inode0) Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2009 12:35:15 -0600 Subject: [Ambassadors] FAmNA Meetings Revisited In-Reply-To: References: <49634CE1.5080201@nd.edu> <17fa59580901061311q429f8be8o29f198d056257334@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Wed, Jan 14, 2009 at 1:00 AM, inode0 wrote: > In Q1 we are willing to try meeting at least once a month at a > different time and/or day. As best as I can tell there have been two > people in this thread who can't come to our meetings now and who have > expressed an interest in doing so. We ask them to propose a specific > time/day they would like the meeting at and if most of the regular > group can make that work we'll try it during Q1 and see how it goes. > We would ask this to be done reasonably soon as we are trying to > schedule additional guests to speak with us during meetings from > various groups within the project in the future. The group is planning to make a decision on when to meet in Q1 at the February 17th meeting. If you are interested in seeing it at a different time please suggest a time before that meeting to have it considered. In the absence of specific suggestions at that point the sentiment seems to be to leave well enough alone but we are open to making a move beginning in March. So please touch base with us if you would like us to meet at a new time. John From hagr182 at gmail.com Wed Feb 4 21:27:38 2009 From: hagr182 at gmail.com (Hector Alfonso Gonzalez Ramirez) Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2009 15:27:38 -0600 Subject: [Ambassadors] FAmNA Meetings Revisited In-Reply-To: References: <49634CE1.5080201@nd.edu> <17fa59580901061311q429f8be8o29f198d056257334@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1d24cdf80902041327o264ef0b4nc8144b1dfc80a1f1@mail.gmail.com> Tuesdays are ok for me as I dont either work or go to school on wednesdays, tough thursdays also seem like a good idea. On Wed, Feb 4, 2009 at 12:35 PM, inode0 wrote: > On Wed, Jan 14, 2009 at 1:00 AM, inode0 wrote: > > In Q1 we are willing to try meeting at least once a month at a > > different time and/or day. As best as I can tell there have been two > > people in this thread who can't come to our meetings now and who have > > expressed an interest in doing so. We ask them to propose a specific > > time/day they would like the meeting at and if most of the regular > > group can make that work we'll try it during Q1 and see how it goes. > > We would ask this to be done reasonably soon as we are trying to > > schedule additional guests to speak with us during meetings from > > various groups within the project in the future. > > The group is planning to make a decision on when to meet in Q1 at the > February 17th meeting. If you are interested in seeing it at a > different time please suggest a time before that meeting to have it > considered. In the absence of specific suggestions at that point the > sentiment seems to be to leave well enough alone but we are open to > making a move beginning in March. So please touch base with us if you > would like us to meet at a new time. > > John > > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From herlo1 at gmail.com Wed Feb 4 22:37:50 2009 From: herlo1 at gmail.com (Clint Savage) Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2009 15:37:50 -0700 Subject: [Ambassadors] FAmNA Meetings Revisited In-Reply-To: <1d24cdf80902041327o264ef0b4nc8144b1dfc80a1f1@mail.gmail.com> References: <49634CE1.5080201@nd.edu> <17fa59580901061311q429f8be8o29f198d056257334@mail.gmail.com> <1d24cdf80902041327o264ef0b4nc8144b1dfc80a1f1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: 2009/2/4 Hector Alfonso Gonzalez Ramirez : > Tuesdays are ok for me as I dont either work or go to school on wednesdays, > tough thursdays also seem like a good idea. > > On Wed, Feb 4, 2009 at 12:35 PM, inode0 wrote: >> >> On Wed, Jan 14, 2009 at 1:00 AM, inode0 wrote: >> > In Q1 we are willing to try meeting at least once a month at a >> > different time and/or day. As best as I can tell there have been two >> > people in this thread who can't come to our meetings now and who have >> > expressed an interest in doing so. We ask them to propose a specific >> > time/day they would like the meeting at and if most of the regular >> > group can make that work we'll try it during Q1 and see how it goes. >> > We would ask this to be done reasonably soon as we are trying to >> > schedule additional guests to speak with us during meetings from >> > various groups within the project in the future. >> >> The group is planning to make a decision on when to meet in Q1 at the >> February 17th meeting. If you are interested in seeing it at a >> different time please suggest a time before that meeting to have it >> considered. In the absence of specific suggestions at that point the >> sentiment seems to be to leave well enough alone but we are open to >> making a move beginning in March. So please touch base with us if you >> would like us to meet at a new time. >> My preference is that we do it Thursdays at the same time. I'm going to be unable to attend meetings (but a few minutes) on Tuesdays for the foreseeable future. Cheers, Clint From lnxknight at gmail.com Wed Feb 4 23:21:42 2009 From: lnxknight at gmail.com (Matt McKenzie) Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2009 15:21:42 -0800 Subject: [Ambassadors] FAmNA Meetings Revisited In-Reply-To: References: <49634CE1.5080201@nd.edu> <17fa59580901061311q429f8be8o29f198d056257334@mail.gmail.com> <1d24cdf80902041327o264ef0b4nc8144b1dfc80a1f1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Wed, Feb 4, 2009 at 2:37 PM, Clint Savage wrote: > 2009/2/4 Hector Alfonso Gonzalez Ramirez : >> Tuesdays are ok for me as I dont either work or go to school on wednesdays, >> tough thursdays also seem like a good idea. >> >> On Wed, Feb 4, 2009 at 12:35 PM, inode0 wrote: >>> >>> On Wed, Jan 14, 2009 at 1:00 AM, inode0 wrote: >>> > In Q1 we are willing to try meeting at least once a month at a >>> > different time and/or day. As best as I can tell there have been two >>> > people in this thread who can't come to our meetings now and who have >>> > expressed an interest in doing so. We ask them to propose a specific >>> > time/day they would like the meeting at and if most of the regular >>> > group can make that work we'll try it during Q1 and see how it goes. >>> > We would ask this to be done reasonably soon as we are trying to >>> > schedule additional guests to speak with us during meetings from >>> > various groups within the project in the future. >>> >>> The group is planning to make a decision on when to meet in Q1 at the >>> February 17th meeting. If you are interested in seeing it at a >>> different time please suggest a time before that meeting to have it >>> considered. In the absence of specific suggestions at that point the >>> sentiment seems to be to leave well enough alone but we are open to >>> making a move beginning in March. So please touch base with us if you >>> would like us to meet at a new time. >>> > > My preference is that we do it Thursdays at the same time. I'm going > to be unable to attend meetings (but a few minutes) on Tuesdays for > the foreseeable future. > > Cheers, > > Clint > > -- My preference is any day except Tuesday, if the prevailing opinion is Thursdays then I agree with that. Thanks. From larry.cafiero at gmail.com Wed Feb 4 23:22:17 2009 From: larry.cafiero at gmail.com (Larry Cafiero) Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2009 15:22:17 -0800 Subject: [Ambassadors] FAmNA Meetings Revisited In-Reply-To: References: <49634CE1.5080201@nd.edu> <17fa59580901061311q429f8be8o29f198d056257334@mail.gmail.com> <1d24cdf80902041327o264ef0b4nc8144b1dfc80a1f1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <7a0d56080902041522m52288748n1c5975441cb722e9@mail.gmail.com> On Wed, Feb 4, 2009 at 2:37 PM, Clint Savage wrote: > > My preference is that we do it Thursdays at the same time. I'm going > to be unable to attend meetings (but a few minutes) on Tuesdays for > the foreseeable future. I'm good with Thursdays as well, but then I'm pretty flexible, time-wise. Larry Cafiero -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mspevack at redhat.com Thu Feb 5 09:50:30 2009 From: mspevack at redhat.com (Max Spevack) Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2009 10:50:30 +0100 (CET) Subject: [Ambassadors] FOSDEM In-Reply-To: <50baabb30902030948k1df3822cn93e5c2f9a280a62b@mail.gmail.com> References: <50baabb30902010605v1678af72m2837fbaf15d6d601@mail.gmail.com> <4985FEA5.7090002@fetzig.org> <1233526231.3543.7.camel@morpheus.mygroup> <50baabb30902030948k1df3822cn93e5c2f9a280a62b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 3 Feb 2009, Chitlesh GOORAH wrote: > Secondly, I'm planning to come to Brussels at about 18h30 onFriday > after work. So who will already be there and what is the planning ? > Where do we meet ? The social party of FOSDEM is at Delirium. I know > it will be crowded. However,that bar is also one of the MUST > sight-seeing in Brussels. I'm sure rdieter will confirm. I expect that we'll probably use the Beer Event at Delirium to find each other, and then wander to wherever we might want to go from there. --Max From francesco at ephisia.org Thu Feb 5 10:42:39 2009 From: francesco at ephisia.org (Francesco Ugolini) Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2009 11:42:39 +0100 Subject: [Ambassadors] Organize NA and EMEA IRC meeting In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Wed, Feb 4, 2009 at 9:27 AM, Max Spevack wrote: > On Fri, 30 Jan 2009, Francesco Ugolini wrote: > >> Sometime ago, I was asked to help organizing a shared meeting with EMEA >> and NA to share ideas about initiatives and have a better look at each >> other. >> >> I want to ask all the interest to think about it, once again, maybe trying >> to find a time/date to make this important meeting happening. > > Not until after FOSDEM -- I think things are too busy for the EMEA > ambassadors this week (at least they are for me!). > > I would encourage Francesco to pick 2 or 3 times next week -- between the > 10th and the 14th -- and we just use whatever time works for the most > people. > > --Max > This week I couldn't be able too. I was talking about long term plan (mid-end February). I wanted only to not hide a long discussion stated some months ago that needed to be "achieved". I'm sorry if this point was unclear, btw, thank you for the advice. Regards Francesco Ugolini From christoph.wickert at googlemail.com Thu Feb 5 11:39:02 2009 From: christoph.wickert at googlemail.com (Christoph Wickert) Date: Thu, 05 Feb 2009 12:39:02 +0100 Subject: [Ambassadors] Reminder: FOSDEM people, please singn up for booth attendance Message-ID: <1233833942.3384.16.camel@localhost.localdomain> We have more than 30 people who are going to FOSDEM this weekend and said that they are going to help at the booth. But so far only 10 People have signed for booth attendance. Please add yourself at https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FOSDEM_2009_Booth_Attendance We still have time slots where there are not enough people present. Regards, Christoph From mspevack at redhat.com Thu Feb 5 13:27:30 2009 From: mspevack at redhat.com (Max Spevack) Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2009 14:27:30 +0100 (CET) Subject: [Ambassadors] Polos for North America In-Reply-To: <200902032214.47120.jsimon@fedoraproject.org> References: <7a0d56080902030759l30c3483dwe59555d01f374847@mail.gmail.com> <20090203192250.GA18616@hurricane.linuxnetz.de> <200902032214.47120.jsimon@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: On Tue, 3 Feb 2009, Joerg Simon wrote: >> I honestly think that page should be reformatted into general >> regions, > > +1 It's a wiki...... :) From jsimon at fedoraproject.org Thu Feb 5 21:48:12 2009 From: jsimon at fedoraproject.org (JoergSimon) Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2009 22:48:12 +0100 Subject: [Ambassadors] Fedora Ambassadors Welcome Message-ID: <200902052248.16373.jsimon@fedoraproject.org> Dear Ambassadors, let?s welcome our new sponsored Ambassador Group Members: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Malloc from Italy https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Mhoungbo from Benin https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Artel19 from India https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Pssompura from Vadodara, India Regards Joerg p.s. 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URL: From nirmal.pathak at gmail.com Fri Feb 6 01:07:55 2009 From: nirmal.pathak at gmail.com (Nirmal Pathak) Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2009 06:37:55 +0530 Subject: [Ambassadors] Fedora Ambassadors Welcome In-Reply-To: <200902052248.16373.jsimon@fedoraproject.org> References: <200902052248.16373.jsimon@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <7c9ab4ad0902051707p7da58cc2p670c82205352acd3@mail.gmail.com> 2009/2/6 JoergSimon > Dear Ambassadors, > > let?s welcome our new sponsored Ambassador Group Members: > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Malloc from Italy > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Mhoungbo from Benin > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Artel19 from India > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Pssompura from Vadodara, India > > > Regards Joerg > p.s. 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It can give a worse taste > to us as Fedora Project, as flags are politically dangerous. > > [1] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Languages#I_wish_to_use_my_country.27s_flag_to_refer_to_my_language... I don't think that applies in this case. The flag on this polo is specifically to represent a country, which uses a specific flag. I'm presuming the Brazilian flag is there to say, "I am an Ambassador from Brazil." If the flag meant, "I speak Brazilian Portguese," then the rule about flags for languages should apply, right? - Karsten -- Karsten 'quaid' Wade, Community Gardener http://quaid.fedorapeople.org AD0E0C41 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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In this regard myself and some of my close friends have experienced a start up problem (within 7 days I will confirm this is a bug or not) during testing the Fedora 10 final on both i386 and 64 platform. So I am eagerly want to ask that whether a server operating system really needs to up within 20 second? Cheers Gopal Das Fedora India Ambassador -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dezone24 at gmail.com Fri Feb 6 13:23:26 2009 From: dezone24 at gmail.com (Diego Escobar) Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2009 08:23:26 -0500 Subject: [Ambassadors] a fedora feature criticized In-Reply-To: <6f631c430902060146o6dfdf7f6u280496413a45bb66@mail.gmail.com> References: <6f631c430902060146o6dfdf7f6u280496413a45bb66@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: I agree with you. But, you should keep in mind this is a Alpha version. According to the feature list for Fedora 11, 20 second start up has only 10% completed, which is so far from an stable and reliable feature. Maybe, in the beta release we can say if it really works. By the way, thanks for testing, this is the idea. Regards! 2009/2/6 gopal das > Hi, > After seeing all the features of Fedora11 Alpha, everything appeared really > impressive and nice except the one feature which may not bring a good > future. > *Feature "*20 second startup": Perhaps nobody will unhappy if a system > starts up within 1 minuet when various services and scripts has been started > correctly, attached new hardware detection is ok, other crucial job such as > successfully scanning the whole file systems with huge data on it, > successfully starts virtualization platform etc. But Surely everybody will > annoyed when a system starts up within 20 second where without one of the > said crucial jobs. In this regard myself and some of my close friends have > experienced a start up problem (within 7 days I will confirm this is a bug > or not) during testing the Fedora 10 final on both i386 and 64 platform. So > I am eagerly want to ask that whether a server operating system really needs > to up within 20 second? > > Cheers > Gopal Das > Fedora India Ambassador > > > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > > -- Diego Escobar Fedora Ambassador for Colombia Fedora Release 10 (Cambridge): Linux Kernel 2.6.27 + KDE 4.2 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fugolini at fedoraproject.org Fri Feb 6 19:21:10 2009 From: fugolini at fedoraproject.org (Francesco Ugolini) Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2009 20:21:10 +0100 Subject: [Ambassadors] F11 Release Events Meeting Message-ID: It's time to start thinking about Release Events, using all the suggestions collected during the previous ones (the last on particularly) and, from these ones, working building another unique and marvellous initiative. Here is what it's necessary to think about: - one (or more) IRC meetings to have a look at what is needed - if you want to plan a Release Event and you are sure to hold it, add it to fedoraproject.org/wiki/FedoraEvents and do whatever needed in order to give us all the tool to better address your necessities - keep in mind a Release isn't a steady thing but it's subject to changes (so, if I'm not wrong think about the early beginning of june), so Q3 This is all, for now. Tell me what you think, giving suggestions, moving critiques etc. Best regards Francesco Ugolini From jbenedictlow at gmail.com Fri Feb 6 20:25:53 2009 From: jbenedictlow at gmail.com (Jason Benedict Low) Date: Sat, 07 Feb 2009 04:25:53 +0800 Subject: [Ambassadors] a fedora feature criticized In-Reply-To: References: <6f631c430902060146o6dfdf7f6u280496413a45bb66@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <498C9CD1.3000603@gmail.com> my 2cts worth - a server OS do not need that 20sec startup BUT i like some others uses Fedora as Desktop for day in day out will love to have that 20 sec startup. Diego Escobar wrote: > > I agree with you. > > But, you should keep in mind this is a Alpha version. According to the > feature list for Fedora 11, 20 second start up has only 10% completed, > which is so far from an stable and reliable feature. > > Maybe, in the beta release we can say if it really works. By the way, > thanks for testing, this is the idea. > > Regards! > > 2009/2/6 gopal das > > > Hi, > After seeing all the features of Fedora11 Alpha, everything > appeared really impressive and nice except the one feature which > may not bring a good future. > */Feature/ "*20 second startup": Perhaps nobody will unhappy if a > system starts up within 1 minuet when various services and scripts > has been started correctly, attached new hardware detection is ok, > other crucial job such as successfully scanning the whole file > systems with huge data on it, successfully starts virtualization > platform etc. But Surely everybody will annoyed when a system > starts up within 20 second where without one of the said crucial > jobs. In this regard myself and some of my close friends have > experienced a start up problem (within 7 days I will confirm this > is a bug or not) during testing the Fedora 10 final on both i386 > and 64 platform. So I am eagerly want to ask that whether a server > operating system really needs to up within 20 second? > > Cheers > Gopal Das > Fedora India Ambassador > > > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > > > > > -- > Diego Escobar > Fedora Ambassador for Colombia > Fedora Release 10 (Cambridge): Linux Kernel 2.6.27 + KDE 4.2 > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > -- Best Regards, Jason http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Jason_Benedict_Low VoIP = sip:jasonbenedict at fedoraproject.org ------ When i work nobody care. When i rest everybody stare. ------ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From stickster at gmail.com Fri Feb 6 23:03:49 2009 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul Frields) Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2009 18:03:49 -0500 Subject: [Ambassadors] Max's FOSDEM schedule for Saturday Message-ID: Hello Ambassadors -- Max is having an email problem at the hotel and asked me to pass this along to you. I hope everyone is having a great FOSDEM so far! Paul = = = = = FYI for the FOSDEM attendees: Greg and I should arrive at the event between 8:30 and 9:00, depending on whether or not we get delayed by anything in the morning. We will be bringing with us a bunch of shirts, stickers, Live CDs, and flyers that have the Fedora speaking schedule for both days on them. Once the booth is set up, and everything is in order, I will probably find a quiet place where I can take 60-90 minutes in order to run through my talk once or twice, which is at 3:00 PM. So if anyone is looking for me mid-morning and it seems like I have disappeared, please understand that is why. In the afternoon, I will sit in on Joe Brockmeier's talk about openSUSE at 2:00 PM, which is right before my talk. It was great to see a bunch of you tonight -- if I didn't see you, I apologize. See you all tomorrow! Thanks, Max P.S. I will have several hours of booth time on Sunday. Given the number of Ambassadors we have attending, I'm not too worried about the booth being empty. :) From chitlesh.goorah at gmail.com Fri Feb 6 23:51:46 2009 From: chitlesh.goorah at gmail.com (Chitlesh GOORAH) Date: Sat, 7 Feb 2009 00:51:46 +0100 Subject: [Ambassadors] fosdem fedora social party saturday night Message-ID: <50baabb30902061551j50701a4bk28caf2646ce7305a@mail.gmail.com> Hello there, Tonight, we found a nice place that we can all meet saturday 7 feb at 20h. At Churchills bar: http://www.churchills.be/ It is 2 mins by foot from the fosdem beer event. The barman told me that we are welcome however he can't refuse regular customers. The bar is divided into 2 parts: groundfloor and upstairs. We can have upstairs. At 21h there will be a concert below. People can play pool upstairs. I will not be able to check my mails during this weekend. So please spread the word to your fedora colleagues. Chitlesh From azneita at fedoraproject.org Sat Feb 7 02:29:02 2009 From: azneita at fedoraproject.org (Heherson Pagcaliwagan) Date: Sat, 7 Feb 2009 10:29:02 +0800 Subject: [Ambassadors] APAC Meeting @ 2009-02-15 03:00 UTC Message-ID: <928156be0902061829w7c91e5d1mea14774551aa42fc@mail.gmail.com> Just a quick reminder that we'll be holding our monthly meeting in #fedora-meeting (irc.freenode.net) next Sunday 15 February 03:00 UTC . If you are interested in participating, or have something to contribute, feel free to add it to our agenda: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/Meetings/2009-02-15 See you guys! Heherson Pagcaliwagan -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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[1] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/NA/Tasks 2009/2/7 Heherson Pagcaliwagan : > Just a quick reminder that we'll be holding our monthly meeting in > #fedora-meeting (irc.freenode.net) next Sunday 15 February 03:00 UTC. > > If you are interested in participating, or have something to > contribute, feel free to add it to our agenda: > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/Meetings/2009-02-15 > > See you guys! > > Heherson Pagcaliwagan > > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > > -- Regards, Susmit. ============================================= ssh 0x86DD170A http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/user:susmit ============================================= From g5_fosslover at yahoo.in Sat Feb 7 04:38:38 2009 From: g5_fosslover at yahoo.in (Gaurav Prabhu) Date: Sat, 7 Feb 2009 10:08:38 +0530 (IST) Subject: [Ambassadors] APAC Meeting @ 2009-02-15 03:00 UTC In-Reply-To: <928156be0902061829w7c91e5d1mea14774551aa42fc@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <903748.77182.qm@web95114.mail.in2.yahoo.com> --- On Sat, 7/2/09, Heherson Pagcaliwagan wrote: From: Heherson Pagcaliwagan Subject: [Ambassadors] APAC Meeting @ 2009-02-15 03:00 UTC To: fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com Date: Saturday, 7 February, 2009, 2:29 AM Just a quick reminder that we'll be holding our monthly meeting in #fedora-meeting (irc.freenode.net) next Sunday 15 February 03:00 UTC. If you are interested in participating, or have something to contribute, feel free to add it to our agenda: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/Meetings/2009-02-15 See you guys! Heherson Pagcaliwagan -- Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list Hi, I would like to join for the meet. How to go about doing it? Do I need to add myself in the above page under participants. By the way what is the agenda for the meet? Connect with friends all over the world. Get Yahoo! India Messenger at http://in.messenger.yahoo.com/?wm=n/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From mspevack at redhat.com Sat Feb 7 06:51:06 2009 From: mspevack at redhat.com (Max Spevack) Date: Sat, 7 Feb 2009 07:51:06 +0100 (CET) Subject: [Ambassadors] fosdem fedora social party saturday night In-Reply-To: <50baabb30902061551j50701a4bk28caf2646ce7305a@mail.gmail.com> References: <50baabb30902061551j50701a4bk28caf2646ce7305a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Sat, 7 Feb 2009, Chitlesh GOORAH wrote: > Tonight, we found a nice place that we can all meet saturday 7 feb at > 20h. At Churchills bar: http://www.churchills.be/ > > It is 2 mins by foot from the fosdem beer event. > > The barman told me that we are welcome however he can't refuse regular > customers. The bar is divided into 2 parts: groundfloor and upstairs. > We can have upstairs. At 21h there will be a concert below. People can > play pool upstairs. > > I will not be able to check my mails during this weekend. So please > spread the word to your fedora colleagues. Let's plan to use this as a rally point on Saturday night, after FOSDEM. Spread the word. --Max From thinklinux.ssh at gmail.com Sat Feb 7 10:04:46 2009 From: thinklinux.ssh at gmail.com (susmit shannigrahi) Date: Sat, 7 Feb 2009 15:34:46 +0530 Subject: [fedora-india] Re: [Ambassadors] a fedora feature criticized In-Reply-To: References: <6f631c430902060146o6dfdf7f6u280496413a45bb66@mail.gmail.com> <498D4FA1.8020006@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: > In fact a server system is configured manually to specifically run > services or not to. As a server administrator you would want it to > boot as fast as possible since the specific services that you want are > either turned off or turned on by you. You would not really want to > wait for foo bar services running on a server and waiting for it just > to turn it off. So if you say that for a server a fast boot up time is > not required I think you are missing the mark. On the other hand, servers are so infrequently rebooted that a 20 sec boot or a 60 sec boot does not make much difference. Still it will be nice to have, and for desktop, a faster boot up is a must. -- Regards, Susmit. ============================================= ssh 0x86DD170A http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/user:susmit ============================================= From ujjwol at fedoraproject.org Sat Feb 7 11:52:11 2009 From: ujjwol at fedoraproject.org (Ujjwol Lamichhane) Date: Sat, 7 Feb 2009 17:37:11 +0545 Subject: [Ambassadors] a fedora feature criticized In-Reply-To: <6f631c430902060146o6dfdf7f6u280496413a45bb66@mail.gmail.com> References: <6f631c430902060146o6dfdf7f6u280496413a45bb66@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <775aa32d0902070352i1a145870k70e7cb49ae84a94@mail.gmail.com> > So I am eagerly want to ask that whether a server operating system really > needs to up within 20 second? 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Shipping should be within 3-4 weeks or so. If any of those who've placed an order already need a polo ASAP, I have two XL and one L on hand. Jon Stanley, if you are going to SCALE and need one for then, I can ship these to you now. Does anyone need a large polo who is going to SCALE? Let me know. Larry, sorry I don't have any stock your size. Thanks! - pascal https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Pcalarco From larry.cafiero at gmail.com Sat Feb 7 19:09:28 2009 From: larry.cafiero at gmail.com (Larry Cafiero) Date: Sat, 7 Feb 2009 11:09:28 -0800 Subject: [Ambassadors] FAmNA Polos: Order yours by Tuesday, February 10th In-Reply-To: <498DB095.1060700@nd.edu> References: <498DB095.1060700@nd.edu> Message-ID: <7a0d56080902071109wc51aa5dr5f4c785067a42d7d@mail.gmail.com> On Sat, Feb 7, 2009 at 8:02 AM, Pascal Calarco wrote: > Larry, sorry I don't have any stock your size. Rats. 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[Fedora 10 DVDs and Fedora 10 Live-CD KDE were distributed] Feedback : A huge success, demands of conducting another one. [working on it already...sometime in the middle of Feb. probably ...thinking of introducing GCC this time.] The event went out as planned. Since the audience had no prior knowledge about Linux or FOSS, we began with talking on FOSS and Linux. The '4F' of FOSS was explained and other advantages were discussed. Also, we emphasized on the difference between the EULA and GPL license agreements, also emphasized that Linux is not affected by viruses, and is highly secured. We then spoke about the Linux filesystem and explained that it does not require any defragmention. The audience were really amazed at and impressed by the advantages of Linux over Windows. Then, we informed them about the different distributions of Linux available and made them realise their "Freedom of Choice" and that there can be a day without "Microsoft Windows". Gradually, we moved forward and began installation. The distro to be installed was Fedora 10. Step-by-Step installation procedure was being shown via a projector(we used Virtual Box to virtually install on a system and connected t to the projector). Simultaneously, 10 DGPLUG volunteers who were guiding the students with the installation of Fedora 10 in their computer systems. We again resumed our discussion when the package installation had started. Then we emphasized on The Linux Users' Group of Durgapur, DGPLUG and its activities in increasing Linux awareness in the area. We discussed about the ongoing Bijra Project (bijra.dgplug.org), showed the audience some videos on OLPC, Truth Happens, History of Fedora. After the installation was done, we did a session on vim and then on gcc. Then we showed the Kdeedu tools, the Gnome and KDE Desktop environments, the Compiz effects ( it really captivated the audience who had by then become the spectators), the Sound and Video applications, Pidgin, XChat and others. We finally wrapped everything up with the "I'm Fedora" video. Finally, at around 4:30 p.m. everyone went back satisfied. Regards, The Linux Users' Group of Durgapur, DGPLUG From sanjay.ankur at gmail.com Sat Feb 7 19:22:10 2009 From: sanjay.ankur at gmail.com (Ankur Sinha) Date: Sun, 08 Feb 2009 00:52:10 +0530 Subject: [Ambassadors] Install Fest : BCREC In-Reply-To: <467c41720902071117k60b08648lb2e9b079f7faf76b@mail.gmail.com> References: <467c41720902071117k60b08648lb2e9b079f7faf76b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1234034530.3671.18.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Sun, 2009-02-08 at 00:47 +0530, Ratnadeep Debnath wrote: > What : Install Fest cum Talk on Linux/FOSS. > > When : Friday, the 30th of January '09. > > Where : Dr. B. C. Roy Engineering College, Durgapur. > > By : The Linux Users' Group of Durgapur, DGPLUG. > > Head Count : 100-120. > > Systems Installed : 10. [most of the first year students have not > bought a system yet...expecting another few installations when they do > so.] > > Media Distributed : 60 (appx.) [Fedora 10 DVDs and Fedora 10 Live-CD > KDE were distributed] > > Feedback : A huge success, demands of conducting another one. > [working on it already...sometime in the middle of Feb. probably > ...thinking of introducing GCC this time.] > > The event went out as planned. Since the audience had no prior > knowledge about Linux or FOSS, we began with talking on FOSS and > Linux. The '4F' of FOSS was explained and other advantages were > discussed. Also, we emphasized on the difference between the EULA and > GPL license agreements, also emphasized that Linux is not affected by > viruses, and is highly secured. We then spoke about the Linux > filesystem and explained that it does not require any defragmention. > The audience were really amazed at and impressed by the advantages of > Linux over Windows. Then, we informed them about the different > distributions of Linux available and made them realise their "Freedom > of Choice" and that there can be a day without "Microsoft Windows". > > Gradually, we moved forward and began installation. The distro to be > installed was Fedora 10. Step-by-Step installation procedure was being > shown via a projector(we used Virtual Box to virtually install on a > system and connected t to the projector). Simultaneously, 10 DGPLUG > volunteers who were guiding the students with the installation of > Fedora 10 in their computer systems. > > We again resumed our discussion when the package installation had > started. Then we emphasized on The Linux Users' Group of Durgapur, > DGPLUG and its activities in increasing Linux awareness in the area. > We discussed about the ongoing Bijra Project (bijra.dgplug.org), > showed the audience some videos on OLPC, Truth Happens, History of > Fedora. After the installation was done, we did a session on vim and > then on gcc. Then we showed the Kdeedu tools, the Gnome and KDE > Desktop environments, the Compiz effects ( it really captivated the > audience who had by then become the spectators), the Sound and Video > applications, Pidgin, XChat and others. We finally wrapped everything > up with the "I'm Fedora" video. > > Finally, at around 4:30 p.m. everyone went back satisfied. > > Regards, > The Linux Users' Group of Durgapur, DGPLUG > > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list hi, Great event. Youve given me ideas for the Fest we're holding later. Thanks and well done! regards, Ankur From pcalarco at nd.edu Sat Feb 7 19:37:29 2009 From: pcalarco at nd.edu (Pascal Calarco) Date: Sat, 07 Feb 2009 14:37:29 -0500 Subject: [Ambassadors] FAmNA Polos: Order yours by Tuesday, February 10th In-Reply-To: <7a0d56080902071109wc51aa5dr5f4c785067a42d7d@mail.gmail.com> References: <498DB095.1060700@nd.edu> <7a0d56080902071109wc51aa5dr5f4c785067a42d7d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <498DE2F9.5010606@nd.edu> Larry Cafiero wrote: > On Sat, Feb 7, 2009 at 8:02 AM, Pascal Calarco > wrote: > > Larry, sorry I don't have any stock your size. > > > Rats. I guess I'll just have to go out and run about 400 laps, or spend > the night in the steam room, to get into shape :-) No worries, Larry. I should likely join you on the run! > Thanks for handling this round of polo orders, Pascal. Glad to help, thanks! > Larry Cafiero - pascal From rtnpro at gmail.com Sat Feb 7 20:28:12 2009 From: rtnpro at gmail.com (Ratnadeep Debnath) Date: Sun, 8 Feb 2009 01:58:12 +0530 Subject: [Ambassadors] Install Fest : BCREC In-Reply-To: <1234034530.3671.18.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <467c41720902071117k60b08648lb2e9b079f7faf76b@mail.gmail.com> <1234034530.3671.18.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <467c41720902071228i4d564e8g14f629e267450537@mail.gmail.com> It feels nice to be of some help. Thank you, Regards The Linux Users' Group of Durgapur, DGPLUG On Sun, Feb 8, 2009 at 12:52 AM, Ankur Sinha wrote: > On Sun, 2009-02-08 at 00:47 +0530, Ratnadeep Debnath wrote: >> What : Install Fest cum Talk on Linux/FOSS. >> >> When : Friday, the 30th of January '09. >> >> Where : Dr. B. C. Roy Engineering College, Durgapur. >> >> By : The Linux Users' Group of Durgapur, DGPLUG. >> >> Head Count : 100-120. >> >> Systems Installed : 10. [most of the first year students have not >> bought a system yet...expecting another few installations when they do >> so.] >> >> Media Distributed : 60 (appx.) [Fedora 10 DVDs and Fedora 10 Live-CD >> KDE were distributed] >> >> Feedback : A huge success, demands of conducting another one. >> [working on it already...sometime in the middle of Feb. probably >> ...thinking of introducing GCC this time.] >> >> The event went out as planned. Since the audience had no prior >> knowledge about Linux or FOSS, we began with talking on FOSS and >> Linux. The '4F' of FOSS was explained and other advantages were >> discussed. Also, we emphasized on the difference between the EULA and >> GPL license agreements, also emphasized that Linux is not affected by >> viruses, and is highly secured. We then spoke about the Linux >> filesystem and explained that it does not require any defragmention. >> The audience were really amazed at and impressed by the advantages of >> Linux over Windows. Then, we informed them about the different >> distributions of Linux available and made them realise their "Freedom >> of Choice" and that there can be a day without "Microsoft Windows". >> >> Gradually, we moved forward and began installation. The distro to be >> installed was Fedora 10. Step-by-Step installation procedure was being >> shown via a projector(we used Virtual Box to virtually install on a >> system and connected t to the projector). Simultaneously, 10 DGPLUG >> volunteers who were guiding the students with the installation of >> Fedora 10 in their computer systems. >> >> We again resumed our discussion when the package installation had >> started. Then we emphasized on The Linux Users' Group of Durgapur, >> DGPLUG and its activities in increasing Linux awareness in the area. >> We discussed about the ongoing Bijra Project (bijra.dgplug.org), >> showed the audience some videos on OLPC, Truth Happens, History of >> Fedora. After the installation was done, we did a session on vim and >> then on gcc. Then we showed the Kdeedu tools, the Gnome and KDE >> Desktop environments, the Compiz effects ( it really captivated the >> audience who had by then become the spectators), the Sound and Video >> applications, Pidgin, XChat and others. We finally wrapped everything >> up with the "I'm Fedora" video. >> >> Finally, at around 4:30 p.m. everyone went back satisfied. >> >> Regards, >> The Linux Users' Group of Durgapur, DGPLUG >> >> -- >> Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list >> Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > > hi, > > Great event. Youve given me ideas for the Fest we're holding later. > Thanks and well done! > > regards, > > Ankur > > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > From jsimon at fedoraproject.org Sat Feb 7 22:51:45 2009 From: jsimon at fedoraproject.org (JoergSimon) Date: Sat, 7 Feb 2009 23:51:45 +0100 Subject: [Ambassadors] Fedora Ambassadors Welcome Message-ID: <200902072351.49495.jsimon@fedoraproject.org> Dear Ambassadors, let?s welcome our new sponsored Ambassador Group Members: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Xpress09 from Gujarat, India https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Laubersm from North Carolina, USA https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Joseda from Albacete, Spain Regards Joerg p.s. 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There are so many Fedora Ambassadors here that in some cases I have only been able to shake your hand and say hello briefly, but I hope that I have a chance to talk with more folks on Sunday. --Max From eerpini at gmail.com Sun Feb 8 12:10:51 2009 From: eerpini at gmail.com (Satish Eerpini) Date: Sun, 8 Feb 2009 17:40:51 +0530 Subject: [Ambassadors] Satish E has sent you a private message In-Reply-To: <1234083943.22783.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <200902080552.n185qv6j027590@mx2.redhat.com> <1234083943.22783.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <93655eb70902080410o32eef9d7ya478d0cd3587f8cd@mail.gmail.com> I am extremely sorry , but I did not even send the email , it went automatically, :-( ... Please forgive me ! Satish On Sun, Feb 8, 2009 at 2:35 PM, Carlos Vassalo (opossum1er) wrote: > Le dimanche 08 f?vrier 2009 ? 00:52 -0500, Satish E a ?crit : >> >> FanIQ >> Satish E has sent you a private message >> >> Click to read message >> Read private message >> >> Please read it or Satish will think you ignored this :( >> >> This message has been forwarded at the request of eerpini at gmail.com. >> To block all emails from FanIQ, please click here. FanIQ is located at >> 604 mission St, Suite 600, San Francisco, CA 94105, USA. >> >> -- >> Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list >> Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > > Please, remove ambassadors-list from yours friends-list... > > Regards > > > -- > Carlos Vassalo (opossum1er) > French fedora ambassador > opossum1er at fedoraproject.org > GPG fingerprint : 1E38 D153 476F C831 0CF6 0A6A 2E7A 992F 8958 8851 > -- http://satish.playdrupal.com From francesco at ephisia.org Sun Feb 8 15:23:37 2009 From: francesco at ephisia.org (Francesco Ugolini) Date: Sun, 8 Feb 2009 16:23:37 +0100 Subject: [Ambassadors] Satish E has sent you a private message In-Reply-To: <93655eb70902080410o32eef9d7ya478d0cd3587f8cd@mail.gmail.com> References: <200902080552.n185qv6j027590@mx2.redhat.com> <1234083943.22783.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> <93655eb70902080410o32eef9d7ya478d0cd3587f8cd@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Sun, Feb 8, 2009 at 1:10 PM, Satish Eerpini wrote: > I am extremely sorry , but I did not even send the email , it went > automatically, :-( > ... Please forgive me ! > > Satish > Don't worry. Unfortunately sometime happens. I encourage everyone when using Social Servicies to NOT include M-Ls, expecially Fedora ones :) Best regards Francesco Ugolini From thomas.canniot at mrtomlinux.org Sun Feb 8 22:57:31 2009 From: thomas.canniot at mrtomlinux.org (Thomas Canniot) Date: Sun, 8 Feb 2009 23:57:31 +0100 Subject: [Ambassadors] My thanks for FOSDEM !! Message-ID: <20090208235731.0a4878f9@mrtomlinux.org> Hello all ! Just a quick mail to thank everybody who was at fosdem promoting fedora. It was really cool to see news faces around motivated to go to people and show how fedora is good for every one who is in it. My special big thanks to Frederic Hornain, who's been dealing with FOSDEM organization in a smart way since 4 or 5 years. He's been the first I met when I first attend, and I was really happy to meet him again. Once more, thank you very much for everything ! 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Use Fedora as Desktop save you - like i had been using for years and it's getting better every releases. Just sharing my experince. Satish Eerpini wrote: > I am extremely sorry , but I did not even send the email , it went > automatically, :-( > ... Please forgive me ! > > Satish > > On Sun, Feb 8, 2009 at 2:35 PM, Carlos Vassalo (opossum1er) > wrote: > >> Le dimanche 08 f?vrier 2009 ? 00:52 -0500, Satish E a ?crit : >> >>> FanIQ >>> Satish E has sent you a private message >>> >>> Click to read message >>> Read private message >>> >>> Please read it or Satish will think you ignored this :( >>> >>> This message has been forwarded at the request of eerpini at gmail.com. >>> To block all emails from FanIQ, please click here. FanIQ is located at >>> 604 mission St, Suite 600, San Francisco, CA 94105, USA. >>> >>> -- >>> Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list >>> Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com >>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list >>> >> Please, remove ambassadors-list from yours friends-list... >> >> Regards >> >> >> -- >> Carlos Vassalo (opossum1er) >> French fedora ambassador >> opossum1er at fedoraproject.org >> GPG fingerprint : 1E38 D153 476F C831 0CF6 0A6A 2E7A 992F 8958 8851 >> >> > > > > -- Best Regards, Jason Singapore Fedora Ambassador http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Jason_Benedict_Low VoIP = sip:jasonbenedict at fedoraproject.org ------ When i work nobody care. When i rest everybody stare. ------ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Just sharing my > experince. > > Satish Eerpini wrote: > > I am extremely sorry , but I did not even send the email , it went > automatically, :-( > ... Please forgive me ! > > Satish > > On Sun, Feb 8, 2009 at 2:35 PM, Carlos Vassalo (opossum1er) > wrote: > > > Le dimanche 08 f?vrier 2009 ? 00:52 -0500, Satish E a ?crit : > > > FanIQ > Satish E has sent you a private message > > Click to read message > Read private message > > Please read it or Satish will think you ignored this :( > > This message has been forwarded at the request of eerpini at gmail.com. > To block all emails from FanIQ, please click here. FanIQ is located at > 604 mission St, Suite 600, San Francisco, CA 94105, USA. > > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > > > Please, remove ambassadors-list from yours friends-list... > > Regards > > > -- > Carlos Vassalo (opossum1er) > French fedora ambassador > opossum1er at fedoraproject.org > GPG fingerprint : 1E38 D153 476F C831 0CF6 0A6A 2E7A 992F 8958 8851 > > > > > > -- > Best Regards, > Jason > Singapore Fedora Ambassador > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Jason_Benedict_Low > VoIP = sip:jasonbenedict at fedoraproject.org > ------ When i work nobody care. When i rest everybody stare. ------ > > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > > -- http://satish.playdrupal.com From foss.mailinglists at gmail.com Mon Feb 9 11:18:18 2009 From: foss.mailinglists at gmail.com (Sankarshan Mukhopadhyay) Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2009 16:48:18 +0530 Subject: [Ambassadors] Fosdem 09 Report In-Reply-To: <200902091211.18421.jsimon@fedoraproject.org> References: <200902091211.18421.jsimon@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <35586fc00902090318l232627b8ld77b7f796a0e3ff9@mail.gmail.com> 2009/2/9 Joerg Simon : > i have learned that more Ambassadors then i thought do not read our Planet, > where the most Reports for Events are posted! *That* is a scary nugget of information considering that the Planet is a window into the Fedora world. Very scary. /me shakes head ... -- http://www.gutenberg.net - Fine literature digitally re-published http://www.plos.org - Public Library of Science http://www.creativecommons.org - Flexible copyright for creative work From mspevack at redhat.com Mon Feb 9 11:32:00 2009 From: mspevack at redhat.com (Max Spevack) Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2009 12:32:00 +0100 (CET) Subject: [Ambassadors] Planet Fedora In-Reply-To: <200902091211.18421.jsimon@fedoraproject.org> References: <200902091211.18421.jsimon@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: On Mon, 9 Feb 2009, Joerg Simon wrote: > on http://planet.fedoraproject.org/ you will find much more from the > others In fact, I would go so far as to say that it is a *requirement* that all Fedora Ambassadors read Planet Fedora. You will be amazed at how much good information is on Planet Fedora. Please, please, please read it every day if you can! My FOSDEM trip report will appear there sometime today. --Max From jsimon at fedoraproject.org Mon Feb 9 11:33:08 2009 From: jsimon at fedoraproject.org (Joerg Simon) Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2009 12:33:08 +0100 Subject: [Ambassadors] Fosdem 09 Report In-Reply-To: <35586fc00902090318l232627b8ld77b7f796a0e3ff9@mail.gmail.com> References: <200902091211.18421.jsimon@fedoraproject.org> <35586fc00902090318l232627b8ld77b7f796a0e3ff9@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200902091233.12584.jsimon@fedoraproject.org> On Monday 09 February 2009 12:18:18 Sankarshan Mukhopadhyay wrote: > *That* is a scary nugget of information considering that the Planet is > a window into the Fedora world. Very scary. /me shakes head ... it is true - but hopefully we make a better job with mentoring - we broke the 700 Ambassadors mark last week and should have much more quality - but i do not want to start an active/inactive discussion ;P Thanks Sankarshan for your clear words! CU Joerg -- Joerg (kital) Simon jsimon at fedoraproject.org http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/JoergSimon http://kitall.blogspot.com Key Fingerprint: 3691 0989 2DCA 58A2 8D1F 2CAC C823 558E 5B5B 5688 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 197 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part. URL: From bochecha at fedoraproject.org Mon Feb 9 11:59:58 2009 From: bochecha at fedoraproject.org (Mathieu Bridon (bochecha)) Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2009 12:59:58 +0100 Subject: [Ambassadors] Planet Fedora In-Reply-To: References: <200902091211.18421.jsimon@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <2d319b780902090359k5ddb18ebge72edeeb61c8c0c8@mail.gmail.com> > You will be amazed at how much good information is on Planet Fedora. Please, > please, please read it every day if you can! Obviously, we can't read it everyday. And even if we did, sometimes there are so much articles in one day that you must read it several times a day if you want to miss no article. IMHO, it is still lacking a way to see more than one page of articles, being able to browse back throught articles you may have missed. ---------- Mathieu Bridon (bochecha) French Fedora Ambassador ---------- "They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety." ~Benjamin Franklin From loupgaroublond at gmail.com Mon Feb 9 13:57:23 2009 From: loupgaroublond at gmail.com (Yaakov Nemoy) Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2009 14:57:23 +0100 Subject: [Ambassadors] HAR 2009 Event Message-ID: <7f692fec0902090557y7a5a846cqad6259b5c5f9cb15@mail.gmail.com> Hey all, This weekend, spurred on by Fosdem, i've put a wiki page for HAR 2009. https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/HAR2009 In short, HAR2009 is a hacking camp, with a very unstructured style. I will try to attend, and if any other Ambassadors or contributers out there would also like to come, it might be good to put together a Fedora track/village. I encourage everyone to sign up soon, as the ticket price is on a deep discount for the next few weeks. I also recommend people to submit papers to the main track, if you have anything of interest. Meanwhile, i would like to see if there is any interest in a mini-fudcon, or a FAD as well. Events like these are a great time to get together to work on a project. Please let me know if you are interested, so we can begin planning this. Finally, while this is a camping event, there are luxury cabins available for anyone who prefers not to 'rough it'. They are a bit more expensive, but if the price is split, it is not any more expensive than a hotel for 4 days. We can coordinate sharing one if there are enough requests. Also, if you would like to bring your family, or just can't bear to be away from them from too long, there is also a family village there. While i describe this event as a bit radical, the rules for the family village are very strict and above all, bad behavior is not tolerated anywhere at the event. Hope to see you there, Yaakov From fugolini at fedoraproject.org Mon Feb 9 14:10:45 2009 From: fugolini at fedoraproject.org (Francesco Ugolini) Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2009 15:10:45 +0100 Subject: [Ambassadors] FOSDEM, my thanks Message-ID: Unfortunately I couldn't join FOSDEM 2009, but I've truly enjoyed reading all the reports about this amazing events. Thank you for all your work, everyone has done something great and I'm really proud to be a Fedora Ambassador: your passion and you work say clearly what a community is. I hope to read more reports and enjoy this experience (even if virtually). Best regards Francesco Ugolini From loupgaroublond at gmail.com Mon Feb 9 14:23:35 2009 From: loupgaroublond at gmail.com (Yaakov Nemoy) Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2009 15:23:35 +0100 Subject: [Ambassadors] Planet Fedora In-Reply-To: <2d319b780902090359k5ddb18ebge72edeeb61c8c0c8@mail.gmail.com> References: <200902091211.18421.jsimon@fedoraproject.org> <2d319b780902090359k5ddb18ebge72edeeb61c8c0c8@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <7f692fec0902090623k633b40cdocd9b6e3827d9c03c@mail.gmail.com> 2009/2/9 Mathieu Bridon (bochecha) : >> You will be amazed at how much good information is on Planet Fedora. Please, >> please, please read it every day if you can! > > Obviously, we can't read it everyday. And even if we did, sometimes > there are so much articles in one day that you must read it several > times a day if you want to miss no article. > > IMHO, it is still lacking a way to see more than one page of articles, > being able to browse back throught articles you may have missed. Use an RSS reader? -Yaakov From oisinfeeley at imapmail.org Mon Feb 9 14:45:44 2009 From: oisinfeeley at imapmail.org (Oisin Feeley) Date: Mon, 09 Feb 2009 09:45:44 -0500 Subject: [Ambassadors] Planet Fedora In-Reply-To: <2d319b780902090359k5ddb18ebge72edeeb61c8c0c8@mail.gmail.com> References: <200902091211.18421.jsimon@fedoraproject.org> <2d319b780902090359k5ddb18ebge72edeeb61c8c0c8@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1234190744.8190.1299344109@webmail.messagingengine.com> On Mon, 9 Feb 2009 12:59:58 +0100, "Mathieu Bridon (bochecha)" said: > > You will be amazed at how much good information is on Planet Fedora. Please, > > please, please read it every day if you can! > > Obviously, we can't read it everyday. And even if we did, sometimes > there are so much articles in one day that you must read it several > times a day if you want to miss no article. > > IMHO, it is still lacking a way to see more than one page of articles, > being able to browse back throught articles you may have missed. This seems like a good opportunity to blow the trumpet of Fedora Weekly News. Specifically Adam Batkin is doing a great job providing a concise weekly roundup of Planet Fedora: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FWN/Issue161#Planet_Fedora This week's issue (#162) will be out in a few hours. We aim to provide a concise overview of the otherwise overwhelming waves of information that ripple out from the many active corners of the Fedora Project. Best wishes, -- Oisin Feeley http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/OisinFeeley From stickster at gmail.com Mon Feb 9 14:48:00 2009 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2009 09:48:00 -0500 Subject: [Ambassadors] Planet Fedora In-Reply-To: <7f692fec0902090623k633b40cdocd9b6e3827d9c03c@mail.gmail.com> References: <200902091211.18421.jsimon@fedoraproject.org> <2d319b780902090359k5ddb18ebge72edeeb61c8c0c8@mail.gmail.com> <7f692fec0902090623k633b40cdocd9b6e3827d9c03c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20090209144800.GD8694@localhost.localdomain> On Mon, Feb 09, 2009 at 03:23:35PM +0100, Yaakov Nemoy wrote: > 2009/2/9 Mathieu Bridon (bochecha) : > >> You will be amazed at how much good information is on Planet Fedora. Please, > >> please, please read it every day if you can! > > > > Obviously, we can't read it everyday. And even if we did, sometimes > > there are so much articles in one day that you must read it several > > times a day if you want to miss no article. > > > > IMHO, it is still lacking a way to see more than one page of articles, > > being able to browse back throught articles you may have missed. > > Use an RSS reader? Precisely. Here's something that *all* Ambassadors should do -- use your favorite RSS reader, be it Liferea, Blam, the evolution-rss plugin, aKgregator, or even a Web-based reader like Google Reader. Add a subscription to one of these URLs: http://planet.fedoraproject.org/rss20.xml http://planet.fedoraproject.org/atom.xml You don't absolutely need to read it every day, but you should try to catch up at least every couple of days. Reading the feed on the Web page "planet.fedoraproject.org" is definitely non-optimal because the feed moves too fast. You'll find out a LOT more about the project and what's going on by reading this feed. And as others have noted, it should probably be a requirement for Ambassadors to know what's going on in the community, especially since many Ambassadors post on the planet! If you have problems making a reader work, remember that you can stop by #fedora-ambassadors on IRC Freenode for help. 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We aim to provide > a concise overview of the otherwise overwhelming waves of information > that ripple out from the many active corners of the Fedora Project. While I do skim the planet almost daily using an RSS feed I do much appreciate the FWN coverage and links which allows those too busy to monitor the planet daily and those who find too much time consumed by working around articles they either can't read or don't care about a very nice vehicle to get to the meat of the information relevant to ambassadors. I really appreciate the coverage in FWN. Thanks, John From mspevack at redhat.com Mon Feb 9 16:01:19 2009 From: mspevack at redhat.com (Max Spevack) Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2009 17:01:19 +0100 (CET) Subject: [Ambassadors] Max's FOSDEM trip report Message-ID: It was great to see everyone. Thank you to the entire team of Ambassadors that helped to organize the event, that spoke, and that took care of the booth. See you all soon! Here is my trip report: http://spevack.livejournal.com/74638.html --Max From christoph.wickert at googlemail.com Mon Feb 9 18:04:35 2009 From: christoph.wickert at googlemail.com (Christoph Wickert) Date: Mon, 09 Feb 2009 19:04:35 +0100 Subject: [Ambassadors] a fedora feature criticized In-Reply-To: <6f631c430902060146o6dfdf7f6u280496413a45bb66@mail.gmail.com> References: <6f631c430902060146o6dfdf7f6u280496413a45bb66@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1234202675.3335.29.camel@localhost.localdomain> Preface: Ambassadors-list is not the right place for technical discussions. Use fedora-devel instead. Am Freitag, den 06.02.2009, 15:16 +0530 schrieb gopal das: > Perhaps nobody will unhappy if a system starts up within 1 minuet when > various services and scripts has been started correctly, attached new > hardware detection is ok, other crucial job such as successfully > scanning the whole file systems with huge data on it, successfully > starts virtualization platform etc. But Surely everybody will annoyed > when a system starts up within 20 second where without one of the said > crucial jobs. If you criticize the 20 sec startup then please provide at least enough information for others to verify your critique. So which if the jobs you mentioned is not run? > In this regard myself and some of my close friends have experienced a > start up problem (within 7 days I will confirm this is a bug or not) > during testing the Fedora 10 final on both i386 and 64 platform. If you told us what is going wrong in your opinion we could maybe tell you if it's a bug or a feature. BTW: Fedora 10 had 30 second startup targeted, this is something different than the 20 second startup feature. Regards, Christoph From kwade at redhat.com Mon Feb 9 20:46:21 2009 From: kwade at redhat.com (Karsten Wade) Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2009 12:46:21 -0800 Subject: [Ambassadors] post-FAD surveys Message-ID: <20090209204621.GL4142@calliope.phig.org> I'd like to start requesting Activity Day participants answer a short survey as the last thing they do when finishing or leaving a FAD. This is going to help all of us to improve the FADs from the very first one. It also helps us understand how this compares as a way to spend Fedora's event budget compared to e.g. FUDCons. Here is the master page for planning out the overall FAD survey strategy. We may want to make that part of an overall event survey strategy. I am separating them because the questions we ask people who attend a generic Fedora event are different than what we ask from FAD participants. https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Post_Activity_Day_(FAD)_Survey Especially right now I need help figuring out the first set of questions we'll as at the SCaLE 7x FAD: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Post_FAD_survey_for_SCaLE_7x I'm still working on my initial question set, input welcome at any time. - Karsten -- Karsten 'quaid' Wade, Community Gardener http://quaid.fedorapeople.org AD0E0C41 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Please do not send private "Welcome" Messages to Ambassador List -- Joerg (kital) Simon jsimon at fedoraproject.org http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/JoergSimon http://kitall.blogspot.com Key Fingerprint: 3691 0989 2DCA 58A2 8D1F 2CAC C823 558E 5B5B 5688 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 197 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part. URL: From mspevack at redhat.com Tue Feb 10 12:06:42 2009 From: mspevack at redhat.com (Max Spevack) Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 13:06:42 +0100 (CET) Subject: [Ambassadors] monthly EMEA meeting Message-ID: Our next monthly Ambassadors meeting for EMEA will be on Wednesday February 18th. Last time we held the meeting at 20:00 UTC and a few people said they wanted to revisit the meeting time. So I offer you four choices, and you may +1 as many of them as you like. Whatever gets the most +1s will be the meeting time. 19:00 UTC 20:00 UTC 21:00 UTC 22:00 UTC --Max From makghosh at fedoraproject.org Tue Feb 10 12:16:50 2009 From: makghosh at fedoraproject.org (Arindam Ghosh) Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 17:46:50 +0530 Subject: [Ambassadors] Mukti'09 Event report Message-ID: <8990327d0902100416l2f43a42bn5e688d1f91736333@mail.gmail.com> Hi all, These are the event report of 'A Day with Fedora' during Mukti'09 organized at NIT, Durgapur, India. Some more pics are awaited from subhodip. My thanks to the organizers (cc'ing one of them) who did a nice job to make the event possible. It went on quite well. I sincerely hope that the event gains momentum in Mukti & NIT, Duragapur as such in near future. Event Report: [1] http://arindamghosh.wordpress.com/2009/02/10/mukti09-event-report/ [2] http://subhodipbiswas.wordpress.com/2009/02/10/past-few-days-including-mukti-09/ Photos: [1] http://www.flickr.com/photos/makghosh/tags/mukti09/ --thanks Arindam -- Arindam Ghosh [http://arindamghosh.wordpress.com] GPG Key: 0EE58920 Key Server: http://pgp.mit.edu From makghosh at fedoraproject.org Tue Feb 10 12:19:46 2009 From: makghosh at fedoraproject.org (Arindam Ghosh) Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 17:49:46 +0530 Subject: [Ambassadors] Re: Mukti'09 Event report In-Reply-To: <8990327d0902100416l2f43a42bn5e688d1f91736333@mail.gmail.com> References: <8990327d0902100416l2f43a42bn5e688d1f91736333@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <8990327d0902100419g42c8e5ads898663a0916c7934@mail.gmail.com> On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 5:46 PM, Arindam Ghosh wrote: > It went on quite well. I sincerely hope that the event gains momentum > in Mukti & NIT, Duragapur as such in near future. ^^^^^^^^^^ Err..typo....s/Durgapur --Arindam From b.okal at jacobs-university.de Tue Feb 10 12:25:04 2009 From: b.okal at jacobs-university.de (Billy Okal) Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 13:25:04 +0100 Subject: [Ambassadors] monthly EMEA meeting In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1234268704.6671.1.camel@makokal-tower> I will go for 22:00 UTC +1 21.00 UTC +1 On Tue, 2009-02-10 at 13:06 +0100, Max Spevack wrote: > Our next monthly Ambassadors meeting for EMEA will be on Wednesday > February 18th. > > Last time we held the meeting at 20:00 UTC and a few people said they > wanted to revisit the meeting time. > > So I offer you four choices, and you may +1 as many of them as you > like. Whatever gets the most +1s will be the meeting time. > > > 19:00 UTC > > 20:00 UTC > > 21:00 UTC > > 22:00 UTC > > > --Max > > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list ________________________________________________________________________ Billy Okal Jacobs University Bremen, Electrical Engineering and Computer Science(EECS), College Ring 6, Mailbox # 387 Room: Ext 5389, Mobile: +49 176 890 42726 ________________________________________________________________________ From gerold at lugd.org Tue Feb 10 12:29:41 2009 From: gerold at lugd.org (Gerold) Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 13:29:41 +0100 (CET) Subject: [Ambassadors] monthly EMEA meeting In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <24963.217.162.12.42.1234268981.squirrel@www.gbc.net> > Whatever gets the most +1s will be the meeting time. > > > 19:00 UTC --1 > 20:00 UTC -1 > 21:00 UTC +1 > 22:00 UTC ++1 GeroldKa From diaaradwan at gmail.com Tue Feb 10 12:29:12 2009 From: diaaradwan at gmail.com (Diaa Radwan) Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 14:29:12 +0200 Subject: [Ambassadors] monthly EMEA meeting In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <182b9f450902100429x203da782p9997deeb76fc334b@mail.gmail.com> On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 2:06 PM, Max Spevack wrote: > Our next monthly Ambassadors meeting for EMEA will be on Wednesday February > 18th. > > Last time we held the meeting at 20:00 UTC and a few people said they wanted > to revisit the meeting time. > > So I offer you four choices, and you may +1 as many of them as you like. > Whatever gets the most +1s will be the meeting time. > > > 19:00 UTC > 19:00 UTC +1 > 20:00 UTC > > 21:00 UTC > > 22:00 UTC > > > --Max > > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > From red at fedoraproject.org Tue Feb 10 12:30:21 2009 From: red at fedoraproject.org (Sandro "red" Mathys) Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 13:30:21 +0100 Subject: [Ambassadors] monthly EMEA meeting In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4991735D.80808@fedoraproject.org> > 19:00 UTC > 20:00 UTC +1 > 21:00 UTC +1 > 22:00 UTC -- red From wonderer4711 at gmx.de Tue Feb 10 12:40:32 2009 From: wonderer4711 at gmx.de (wonderer) Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 13:40:32 +0100 Subject: [Ambassadors] monthly EMEA meeting In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <499175C0.1000105@gmx.de> Hy, just my 23 Cents: > 21:00 UTC +1 > 22:00 UTC +1 mit freundlichen Gr??en / best regards Henrik Heigl - wonderer at fedoraproject.org From Andreas.Rau at unibas.ch Tue Feb 10 12:56:06 2009 From: Andreas.Rau at unibas.ch (Andreas Rau) Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 13:56:06 +0100 Subject: [Ambassadors] monthly EMEA meeting In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1234270566.27553.43.camel@urz-ar224> Hi all, I would prefer the following times > > 19:00 UTC > > 20:00 UTC +1 > 21:00 UTC ++1 > 22:00 UTC +1 kind regards, Andi Rau From luca at foppiano.org Tue Feb 10 12:57:46 2009 From: luca at foppiano.org (Luca Foppiano) Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 13:57:46 +0100 Subject: [Ambassadors] monthly EMEA meeting In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1234270666.3805.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Tue, 2009-02-10 at 13:06 +0100, Max Spevack wrote: > Our next monthly Ambassadors meeting for EMEA will be on Wednesday > February 18th. > > Last time we held the meeting at 20:00 UTC and a few people said they > wanted to revisit the meeting time. > > So I offer you four choices, and you may +1 as many of them as you > like. Whatever gets the most +1s will be the meeting time. > > > 19:00 UTC > > 20:00 UTC +1 > 21:00 UTC +1 > 22:00 UTC +1 Luca -- Today is Sweetmorn, the 41st day of Chaos in the YOLD 3175 Never argue with a man who buys ink by the barrel. From fcrippa at byte-code.com Tue Feb 10 13:05:44 2009 From: fcrippa at byte-code.com (Francesco Crippa) Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 14:05:44 +0100 (CET) Subject: [Ambassadors] monthly EMEA meeting In-Reply-To: <664615271.233741234270492192.JavaMail.root@mail.byte-code.com> Message-ID: <1200561341.233811234271144574.JavaMail.root@mail.byte-code.com> ----- "Max Spevack" wrote: > Our next monthly Ambassadors meeting for EMEA will be on Wednesday > February 18th. > [...] > 19:00 UTC -1 > 20:00 UTC ++1 > 21:00 UTC ++1 > 22:00 UTC +1 Take care Francesco -- Francesco Crippa fcrippa at byte-code.com http://people.byte-code.com/fcrippa From bochecha at fedoraproject.org Tue Feb 10 13:53:12 2009 From: bochecha at fedoraproject.org (Mathieu Bridon (bochecha)) Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 14:53:12 +0100 Subject: [Ambassadors] monthly EMEA meeting In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2d319b780902100553y4876184fhfc7077039378f3fc@mail.gmail.com> > 19:00 UTC +1 > 20:00 UTC +1 ---------- Mathieu Bridon (bochecha) French Fedora Ambassador ---------- "They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety." ~Benjamin Franklin From jdieter at gmail.com Tue Feb 10 13:59:05 2009 From: jdieter at gmail.com (Jonathan Dieter) Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 15:59:05 +0200 Subject: [Ambassadors] monthly EMEA meeting In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1234274345.15891.0.camel@jdlaptop.lesbg.loc> On Tue, 2009-02-10 at 13:06 +0100, Max Spevack wrote: > 19:00 UTC +1 Jonathan -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Some of our more prominent EMEA Ambassadors couldn't make 20:00 UTC, so I'd like to propose that we use 21:00 UTC (which is 22:00 CET) for our monthly meetings, beginning on Wednesday February 18. --Max From thinklinux.ssh at gmail.com Tue Feb 10 15:54:47 2009 From: thinklinux.ssh at gmail.com (susmit shannigrahi) Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 21:24:47 +0530 Subject: [Ambassadors] APAC Meeting @ 2009-02-15 03:00 UTC In-Reply-To: <928156be0902062157k4e8aa939wa625934c77297f12@mail.gmail.com> References: <928156be0902061829w7c91e5d1mea14774551aa42fc@mail.gmail.com> <903748.77182.qm@web95114.mail.in2.yahoo.com> <928156be0902062157k4e8aa939wa625934c77297f12@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Heherson, Please have a discussion on 1. Budget requirement of APAC. 2. Possible events and F11 release events at the meeting. Famsco will be working on it as soon as we get the requirements. Thanks. -- Regards, Susmit. ============================================= ssh 0x86DD170A http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/user:susmit ============================================= From fugolini at fedoraproject.org Tue Feb 10 15:55:51 2009 From: fugolini at fedoraproject.org (Francesco Ugolini) Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 16:55:51 +0100 Subject: [Ambassadors] Re: Organize NA and EMEA IRC meeting In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Ok, FOSDEM is past. I think we should think about a possible date/time to finally have this meeting. I want to ask all of you (expecially who suggested this initiative) what is the preferred date/time in order to have at least some people from both side. After this experiment FAmSCo will analize the results and, surely (no doubt of it), will try to investigate the possibility to have such meetings with other regions tool. Keep in mind that its aim is to give local groups the possibility to share experience/solve common problems and discuss about the wide possibility to collaborate on common tasks. This initiative should be taken when needed and, according to the initiative sponsors, there were some common topics to take care of it. I invite, moreover, to suggest a chair for this meeting, maybe one of the regional meeting chair and tell here again the agends. Thank you with the people who suggest this initiative Hoping to received feedbacks (and sure answers) Francesco Ugolini From sherry151 at gmail.com Tue Feb 10 19:58:02 2009 From: sherry151 at gmail.com (Rangeen Basu) Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 01:28:02 +0530 Subject: [Ambassadors] Re: Mukti'09 Event report Message-ID: > Our next monthly Ambassadors meeting for EMEA will be on Wednesday February > 18th. > > Last time we held the meeting at 20:00 UTC and a few people said they wanted > to revisit the meeting time. > > So I offer you four choices, and you may +1 as many of them as you like. > Whatever gets the most +1s will be the meeting time. > > > 19:00 UTC > 19:00 UTC ++1 20:00 UTC +1 sherry151 Rangeen Basu Roy Chowdhury !!!Windows is "micro"-soft[ware]..I like bigger things!!! From herlo1 at gmail.com Tue Feb 10 22:31:58 2009 From: herlo1 at gmail.com (Clint Savage) Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 15:31:58 -0700 Subject: [Ambassadors] Re: [Fedora-mentors-list] regional Fedora Ambassadors Mentoring In-Reply-To: <200902101855.17520.jsimon@fedoraproject.org> References: <200902101855.17520.jsimon@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 10:55 AM, Joerg Simon wrote: > Hi Fellows, > > it is time to put the regional mentoring in the hands of the regional > Ambassador Mentors - i talked to herlo yesterday and he took charge to > organize the regional Mentoring. As AMA and FAMSCO i will participate in > this process and all the meetings as a liason and a part of the mentoring > team. Thanks herlo, to take this important task. > > CU Joerg Hi all, Thanks Joerg for passing the baton, I'll do my best to get the Mentoring Project off the ground and running smoothly. My hope is to make a great team effort to provide some positive mentoring experiences for the new (and upcoming) contributors. To start off with, Joerg tells me the mentors meeting never materialized last time, so I'd like to take a moment and see if we can't schedule another meeting for the Fedora Mentoring Project. I'd like to say that the point of this meeting is to help define some goals for the Mentoring Project going forward. We'll discuss what the NA Ambassadors (and any others) we can do with the information they've been gathering regarding mentoring. I've scheduled a meeting this coming Sunday, February 15 @ 16:00 UTC (That's 12pm ET, 6pm in Brussels) [1] and we meet in #fedora-meeting. Please make it a point to attend, we're going to discuss how we should move forward, basic goals and how we can make a positive impact. I'll be working on an agenda shortly, so watch for another email and if you have anything you'd like to submit, feel free to reply with suggestions. Cheers, Clint 1 - https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Meeting_channel#Time_table From thinklinux.ssh at gmail.com Tue Feb 10 22:35:55 2009 From: thinklinux.ssh at gmail.com (susmit shannigrahi) Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 04:05:55 +0530 Subject: [Ambassadors] Re: [Fedora-mentors-list] regional Fedora Ambassadors Mentoring In-Reply-To: References: <200902101855.17520.jsimon@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: I shall be at GUnify 2009 on 13-14th at Pune, India. We are going to have a discussion on mentoring there. Its on agenda. Shall update the list about it. On Wed, Feb 11, 2009 at 4:01 AM, Clint Savage wrote: > On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 10:55 AM, Joerg Simon wrote: >> Hi Fellows, >> >> it is time to put the regional mentoring in the hands of the regional >> Ambassador Mentors - i talked to herlo yesterday and he took charge to >> organize the regional Mentoring. As AMA and FAMSCO i will participate in >> this process and all the meetings as a liason and a part of the mentoring >> team. Thanks herlo, to take this important task. >> >> CU Joerg > > Hi all, > > Thanks Joerg for passing the baton, I'll do my best to get the > Mentoring Project off the ground and running smoothly. My hope is to > make a great team effort to provide some positive mentoring > experiences for the new (and upcoming) contributors. > > To start off with, Joerg tells me the mentors meeting never > materialized last time, so I'd like to take a moment and see if we > can't schedule another meeting for the Fedora Mentoring Project. > > I'd like to say that the point of this meeting is to help define some > goals for the Mentoring Project going forward. We'll discuss what the > NA Ambassadors (and any others) we can do with the information they've > been gathering regarding mentoring. > > I've scheduled a meeting this coming Sunday, February 15 @ 16:00 UTC > (That's 12pm ET, 6pm in Brussels) [1] and we meet in #fedora-meeting. > Please make it a point to attend, we're going to discuss how we should > move forward, basic goals and how we can make a positive impact. > > I'll be working on an agenda shortly, so watch for another email and > if you have anything you'd like to submit, feel free to reply with > suggestions. > > Cheers, > > Clint > > 1 - https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Meeting_channel#Time_table > > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > -- Regards, Susmit. ============================================= ssh 0x86DD170A http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/user:susmit ============================================= From azneita.dev at gmail.com Tue Feb 10 23:31:20 2009 From: azneita.dev at gmail.com (Heherson Pagcaliwagan) Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 07:31:20 +0800 Subject: [Ambassadors] APAC Meeting @ 2009-02-15 03:00 UTC In-Reply-To: References: <928156be0902061829w7c91e5d1mea14774551aa42fc@mail.gmail.com> <903748.77182.qm@web95114.mail.in2.yahoo.com> <928156be0902062157k4e8aa939wa625934c77297f12@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <54E3B78E-298B-4818-B3ED-97A71ED9D19C@gmail.com> Ok. We'll be working on them. I just hope that many will attend. :D On 02 10, 09, at 11:54 PM, susmit shannigrahi wrote: > Heherson, > > Please have a discussion on > 1. Budget requirement of APAC. > 2. Possible events and F11 release events > at the meeting. > > Famsco will be working on it as soon as we get the requirements. > Thanks. > > -- > Regards, > Susmit. > > ============================================= > ssh > 0x86DD170A > http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/user:susmit > ============================================= > > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list From stickster at gmail.com Wed Feb 11 01:03:38 2009 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 20:03:38 -0500 Subject: [Ambassadors] Re: [Fedora-mentors-list] regional Fedora Ambassadors Mentoring In-Reply-To: References: <200902101855.17520.jsimon@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <20090211010338.GC4580@localhost.localdomain> On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 03:31:58PM -0700, Clint Savage wrote: > On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 10:55 AM, Joerg Simon wrote: > > Hi Fellows, > > > > it is time to put the regional mentoring in the hands of the regional > > Ambassador Mentors - i talked to herlo yesterday and he took charge to > > organize the regional Mentoring. As AMA and FAMSCO i will participate in > > this process and all the meetings as a liason and a part of the mentoring > > team. Thanks herlo, to take this important task. > > > > CU Joerg > > Hi all, > > Thanks Joerg for passing the baton, I'll do my best to get the > Mentoring Project off the ground and running smoothly. My hope is to > make a great team effort to provide some positive mentoring > experiences for the new (and upcoming) contributors. > > To start off with, Joerg tells me the mentors meeting never > materialized last time, so I'd like to take a moment and see if we > can't schedule another meeting for the Fedora Mentoring Project. > > I'd like to say that the point of this meeting is to help define some > goals for the Mentoring Project going forward. We'll discuss what the > NA Ambassadors (and any others) we can do with the information they've > been gathering regarding mentoring. > > I've scheduled a meeting this coming Sunday, February 15 @ 16:00 UTC > (That's 12pm ET, 6pm in Brussels) [1] and we meet in #fedora-meeting. > Please make it a point to attend, we're going to discuss how we should > move forward, basic goals and how we can make a positive impact. Trivial time detail -- I think it's actually 11:00am ET, 5:00pm in Brussels. 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Clint From makghosh at fedoraproject.org Wed Feb 11 04:16:20 2009 From: makghosh at fedoraproject.org (Arindam Ghosh) Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 09:46:20 +0530 Subject: Fwd: Re: [Ambassadors] Mukti'09 Event report In-Reply-To: <8990327d0902101324i60aef324laa49039e8c2a3687@mail.gmail.com> References: <8990327d0902100416l2f43a42bn5e688d1f91736333@mail.gmail.com> <8990327d0902101324i60aef324laa49039e8c2a3687@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <8990327d0902102016r1da70d63h9bcb75b9685090c6@mail.gmail.com> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Arindam Ghosh Date: Wed, Feb 11, 2009 at 2:54 AM Subject: Re: [Ambassadors] Mukti'09 Event report To: Francesco Ugolini On Wed, Feb 11, 2009 at 1:40 AM, Francesco Ugolini wrote: > > Great report and great event too! > > Best regards > > Francesco Ugolini > Thanks for your support. Would like to make them much better in the future :) --best Arindam -- Arindam Ghosh [http://arindamghosh.wordpress.com] GPG Key: 0EE58920 Key Server: http://pgp.mit.edu From fhornain at gmail.com Wed Feb 11 20:40:49 2009 From: fhornain at gmail.com (Frederic Hornain) Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 21:40:49 +0100 Subject: [Ambassadors] Fedora at FOSDEM'09 - Thank you all - Message-ID: <3161376e0902111240l48826852ta55fe36d1b894ccb@mail.gmail.com> Dear *, Many thanks - to you all for having make FOSDEM'09 a real success ! - to the FOSDEM'09 Team and theirs volunteers ! - to all of them who stands at the booth ! - to all speakers for their great works ! - and finally to our CentOS, Debian and so on friends for theirs amiabilities ! Congratulations Guys ! 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Cheers, Clint From harish.pillay at gmail.com Fri Feb 13 07:47:27 2009 From: harish.pillay at gmail.com (Harish Pillay) Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2009 15:47:27 +0800 Subject: [Ambassadors] Media for APAC Ambassadors Message-ID: APAC Ambassadors - Hi. I have 1000 LiveCDs and 1000 DVDs of Fedora 10 x86 ready for distribution to APAC Ambassadors. I am not putting this info on: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Distribution/FreeMedia for now. Please contact me directly with quantity you need and I will arrange for it to be shipped to you. Thanks. -- Harish Pillay hpillay at redhat.com gpg id: 746809E3 Red Hat Asia Pacific, 8 Shenton Way #10-00, Singapore 068811 fingerprint: F7F5 5CCD 25B9 FC25 303E 3DA2 0F80 27DB 7468 09E3 From azneita at fedoraproject.org Fri Feb 13 10:46:00 2009 From: azneita at fedoraproject.org (Heherson Pagcaliwagan) Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2009 18:46:00 +0800 Subject: [Ambassadors] Media for APAC Ambassadors In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <49954F68.10403@fedoraproject.org> > Hi. I have 1000 LiveCDs and 1000 DVDs of Fedora 10 x86 ready for > distribution to APAC Ambassadors. Thank you for the heads up Harish. I think Magie can make use of them for our upcoming event on the 18th[1]. I just hope it can come ahead of time :) > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Distribution/FreeMedia > > for now. Please contact me directly with quantity you need and I > will arrange for it to be shipped to you. > > Thanks. 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Use fedora-devel instead. > > Am Freitag, den 06.02.2009, 15:16 +0530 schrieb gopal das: > > Perhaps nobody will unhappy if a system starts up within 1 minuet when > > various services and scripts has been started correctly, attached new > > hardware detection is ok, other crucial job such as successfully > > scanning the whole file systems with huge data on it, successfully > > starts virtualization platform etc. But Surely everybody will annoyed > > when a system starts up within 20 second where without one of the said > > crucial jobs. > > If you criticize the 20 sec startup then please provide at least enough > information for others to verify your critique. So which if the jobs you > mentioned is not run? > > > In this regard myself and some of my close friends have experienced a > > start up problem (within 7 days I will confirm this is a bug or not) > > during testing the Fedora 10 final on both i386 and 64 platform. > > If you told us what is going wrong in your opinion we could maybe tell > you if it's a bug or a feature. BTW: Fedora 10 had 30 second startup. > targeted, this is something different than the 20 second startup > feature. > > Regards, > Christoph > > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > Hi, I have installed Fedora 10 (nearly 12 times) on 5 desktop PCs (including 2 NOs. of AMD X2 and 2 NOs. of Intel Core 2 Duo and 1 Intel Pentium 4). In every installation I tested with ACPI on and off. But on each case a message has shown at the starting poing of the booting, like this "Could not detect stabilization, wait 10 second" . And even once or twice booting not started after count down the five seconds of grub menu and I need to restart the PC with CPU button. But previously I installed Fedora 8 and Fedora 9 on those PCs and they booted fine without any trouble. And the thing which creating all the trouble that may be the new booting technology ("30 second startup" feature is introduced in Fedora 10). I am of course not against the faster booting (30 second 20 whatever it is) but confused with the big big quistion, is that, why this king of booting problem is occuring to a system (with Fedora 10) which is booting fine with Fedora 8 or Fedora 9 or Debian or Slackware? Cheers Gopal Das Fedora India Ambassador -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dezone24 at gmail.com Fri Feb 13 13:06:24 2009 From: dezone24 at gmail.com (Diego Escobar) Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2009 08:06:24 -0500 Subject: [Ambassadors] a fedora feature criticized In-Reply-To: <6f631c430902130312y67a40480h5d2aaba96b19ef64@mail.gmail.com> References: <6f631c430902060146o6dfdf7f6u280496413a45bb66@mail.gmail.com> <1234202675.3335.29.camel@localhost.localdomain> <6f631c430902130312y67a40480h5d2aaba96b19ef64@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Maybe this is not the corrrect list for this question. But also, I had the problem "Could not detect stabilization, wait 10 second". I understand there is an update fixing this. I installed from testing respo, but currently I dont know if it is stable now. Maybe this works for you: (Spanish) http://www.rubin-de-celis.com/blog/2008/12/26/error-en-fedora-10-could-not-detect-stabilization/ 2009/2/13 gopal das > > > On Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 11:34 PM, Christoph Wickert < > christoph.wickert at googlemail.com> wrote: > >> Preface: Ambassadors-list is not the right place for technical >> discussions. Use fedora-devel instead. >> >> Am Freitag, den 06.02.2009, 15:16 +0530 schrieb gopal das: >> > Perhaps nobody will unhappy if a system starts up within 1 minuet when >> > various services and scripts has been started correctly, attached new >> > hardware detection is ok, other crucial job such as successfully >> > scanning the whole file systems with huge data on it, successfully >> > starts virtualization platform etc. But Surely everybody will annoyed >> > when a system starts up within 20 second where without one of the said >> > crucial jobs. >> >> If you criticize the 20 sec startup then please provide at least enough >> information for others to verify your critique. So which if the jobs you >> mentioned is not run? >> >> > In this regard myself and some of my close friends have experienced a >> > start up problem (within 7 days I will confirm this is a bug or not) >> > during testing the Fedora 10 final on both i386 and 64 platform. >> >> If you told us what is going wrong in your opinion we could maybe tell >> you if it's a bug or a feature. BTW: Fedora 10 had 30 second startup. >> targeted, this is something different than the 20 second startup >> feature. >> >> Regards, >> Christoph >> >> -- >> Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list >> Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list >> > > > Hi, > I have installed Fedora 10 (nearly 12 times) on 5 desktop PCs (including 2 > NOs. of AMD X2 and 2 NOs. of Intel Core 2 Duo and 1 Intel Pentium 4). In > every installation I tested with ACPI on and off. But on each case a message > has shown at the starting poing of the booting, like this "Could not detect > stabilization, wait 10 second" . And even once or twice booting not started > after count down the five seconds of grub menu and I need to restart the PC > with CPU button. > But previously I installed Fedora 8 and Fedora 9 on those PCs and they > booted fine without any trouble. And the thing which creating all the > trouble that may be the new booting technology ("30 second startup" feature > is introduced in Fedora 10). > I am of course not against the faster booting (30 second 20 whatever it is) > but confused with the big big quistion, is that, why this king of booting > problem is occuring to a system (with Fedora 10) which is booting fine with > Fedora 8 or Fedora 9 or Debian or Slackware? > > > Cheers > Gopal Das > Fedora India Ambassador > > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > > -- Diego Escobar Fedora Ambassador for Colombia Fedora Release 10 (Cambridge): Linux Kernel 2.6.27 + KDE 4.2 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Undergraduate Student, ?????? ??????????, Level-4, Term-1, ?????-?, ?????-?, Department of Computer Science and Engineering (CSE), ????????? ???? ?????, Bangladesh University of Engineering & Technology (BUET), ???????? ??????? ??????????????, Dhaka-1000, Bangladesh. ????-????, ????????? Cell: (+88) 01715-621-323 ???: (+??) ?????-???-??? On Fri, Feb 13, 2009 at 1:47 PM, Harish Pillay wrote: > APAC Ambassadors - > > Hi. I have 1000 LiveCDs and 1000 DVDs of Fedora 10 x86 ready for > distribution to APAC Ambassadors. > > I am not putting this info on: > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Distribution/FreeMedia > > for now. Please contact me directly with quantity you need and I > will arrange for it to be shipped to you. > > Thanks. > -- > Harish Pillay hpillay at redhat.com gpg id: 746809E3 > Red Hat Asia Pacific, 8 Shenton Way #10-00, Singapore 068811 > fingerprint: F7F5 5CCD 25B9 FC25 303E 3DA2 0F80 27DB 7468 09E3 > > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From chakrabortydipanjan at fedoraproject.org Fri Feb 13 16:31:16 2009 From: chakrabortydipanjan at fedoraproject.org (Dipanjan Chakraborty) Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2009 22:01:16 +0530 Subject: [Ambassadors] Media for APAC Ambassadors In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Fri, Feb 13, 2009 at 1:17 PM, Harish Pillay wrote: > APAC Ambassadors - > > Hi. I have 1000 LiveCDs and 1000 DVDs of Fedora 10 x86 ready for > distribution to APAC Ambassadors. > > I am not putting this info on: > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Distribution/FreeMedia > > for now. Please contact me directly with quantity you need and I > will arrange for it to be shipped to you. > > Thanks. > -- > Harish Pillay hpillay at redhat.com gpg id: 746809E3 > Red Hat Asia Pacific, 8 Shenton Way #10-00, Singapore 068811 > fingerprint: F7F5 5CCD 25B9 FC25 303E 3DA2 0F80 27DB 7468 09E3 > > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > Thanks for the gesture. We could do with some for distribution among our LUG members and college students. Here's the address: Prof. Ritabari Roychowdhury Students' Linux Users' Group RCC Institute of Information Technology Canal South Road Beliaghata Kolkata - 700015 India I am not mentioning any quantity: consider whatever you deem fit. 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Thanks for the correction. > > Clint > > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > Can we make sure this meeting is logged and posted? I planned on attending this but with the recent airline tragedy that happened last evening here, a large group of us from the community has volunteered our time on Sunday to assist with the cleanup and help out with anything else we can. -- Regards, Brian Powell http://fedoraproject.org http://wnylug.org From herlo1 at gmail.com Fri Feb 13 17:31:08 2009 From: herlo1 at gmail.com (Clint Savage) Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2009 10:31:08 -0700 Subject: [Ambassadors] Re: [Fedora-mentors-list] regional Fedora Ambassadors Mentoring In-Reply-To: <96365e610902130908q21537648ud9ebf32e77613188@mail.gmail.com> References: <200902101855.17520.jsimon@fedoraproject.org> <20090211010338.GC4580@localhost.localdomain> <96365e610902130908q21537648ud9ebf32e77613188@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Fri, Feb 13, 2009 at 10:08 AM, Brian Powell wrote: > On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 9:32 PM, Clint Savage wrote: >>> Trivial time detail -- I think it's actually 11:00am ET, 5:00pm in >>> Brussels. Anyway, I'm going to try to be there if I can. >> >> Paul, >> >> You are correct! Thanks for the correction. >> >> Clint >> >> -- >> Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list >> Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list >> > > Can we make sure this meeting is logged and posted? > > I planned on attending this but with the recent airline tragedy that > happened last evening here, a large group of us from the community has > volunteered our time on Sunday to assist with the cleanup and help out > with anything else we can. > > -- > Regards, > > Brian Powell > http://fedoraproject.org > http://wnylug.org Brian, Yep will do. Glad to hear volunteerism goes beyond Fedora. 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In-Reply-To: References: <496F9BC5.4090306@fedoraproject.org> <497008EE.3070409@gmail.com> <35586fc00901282023p5edc0479x9bf28622a599108f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Thu, Jan 29, 2009 at 12:14 PM, susmit shannigrahi wrote: > On Thu, Jan 29, 2009 at 9:53 AM, Sankarshan Mukhopadhyay > wrote: >> On Fri, Jan 16, 2009 at 9:46 AM, susmit shannigrahi >> wrote: >> >>> Not yet, but thanks for the idea. :) >>> I shall do it after testing it for another couple of days. >> >> Will be looking forward to that. > > I did it that day and sent the link to the list. :) > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Distribution/FreeMedia/GoLive > > > > -- > Regards, > Susmit. > Hello, I have been participating of free media program since December 2008. I followed and tested the automated processing of the freemedia. But I haven't see any request on February. I just wanted to know what happened with this. -- Neville https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Yn1v Linux User # 473217 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Check: http://www.clickmanagua.com - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - From stickster at gmail.com Fri Feb 13 19:49:56 2009 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2009 14:49:56 -0500 Subject: [Ambassadors] Re: [Fedora-mentors-list] regional Fedora Ambassadors Mentoring In-Reply-To: References: <200902101855.17520.jsimon@fedoraproject.org> <20090211010338.GC4580@localhost.localdomain> <96365e610902130908q21537648ud9ebf32e77613188@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20090213194956.GC2498@localhost.localdomain> On Fri, Feb 13, 2009 at 10:31:08AM -0700, Clint Savage wrote: > On Fri, Feb 13, 2009 at 10:08 AM, Brian Powell wrote: > > On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 9:32 PM, Clint Savage wrote: > >>> Trivial time detail -- I think it's actually 11:00am ET, 5:00pm in > >>> Brussels. 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Max is also working on buying a CD duplicator for the LATAM community, at the request of Rodrigo Padula. Max is also dealing with sponsoring SouthEast LinuxFest Fedora people. The planning for Q1 is to be done next week. The RedHat budget for Q1 for ambassadors should be known very soon. Max highlights the way local leaders make managing budget easier. 2. Current Task Review ## Task Ambassadors Administration A git repo has been set up by the well known Fabian Affolter which will be used to maintain the script used to manage Ambassadors' accounts. Joerg Simon also specifies that TRAC system is also to be used to manage Ambassadors' registeration. ## Task Mentoring The first mentoring meeting welcomed 3 people only. A new one is to be organized in the next Sunday. ## Hungary and Rumanian investments Thanks to Max, we will send Jeroen van Meeuwen to Romania for the eLiberatica event. Dimitriz Glezos also agreed to attend a Translation Marathon in Kyrgysztan, where there is no native translation of any Operating system. Fedora will be the first translated one. About Hungary, we will have a event in Szeged later this year. The budget is still being discussed with Max. Joerg Simon also adds that there is no Hungarian ambassador, and one in Kyrgyzstan (mirlan) ## Release Parties Francesco is starting this task by the will to contact local leaders to ping FAMSCo as much as possible about their needs on organizing a Release Event. Rodrigo Padula is organizing the agenda for LATAM and the Release Event is going to be discussed soon. Thomas Canniot adds he will take care of it as well, and look at the needs in small Fedorian Communities in Africa and North America for a start, on the good advises of Francesco Fugolini, Joerg Simon and David Nalley. Moreover, Rodrigo Padula would like to help in Africa as well, as some countries speaks Portuguese. 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According to the > feature list for Fedora 11, 20 second start up has only 10% completed, which > is so far from an stable and reliable feature. > > Maybe, in the beta release we can say if it really works. By the way, > thanks for testing, this is the idea. > > Regards! > > 2009/2/6 gopal das > >> Hi, >> After seeing all the features of Fedora11 Alpha, everything appeared >> really impressive and nice except the one feature which may not bring a good >> future. >> *Feature "*20 second startup": Perhaps nobody will unhappy if a system >> starts up within 1 minuet when various services and scripts has been started >> correctly, attached new hardware detection is ok, other crucial job such as >> successfully scanning the whole file systems with huge data on it, >> successfully starts virtualization platform etc. But Surely everybody will >> annoyed when a system starts up within 20 second where without one of the >> said crucial jobs. In this regard myself and some of my close friends have >> experienced a start up problem (within 7 days I will confirm this is a bug >> or not) during testing the Fedora 10 final on both i386 and 64 platform. So >> I am eagerly want to ask that whether a server operating system really needs >> to up within 20 second? >> >> Cheers >> Gopal Das >> Fedora India Ambassador >> >> >> -- >> Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list >> Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list >> >> > > > -- > Diego Escobar > Fedora Ambassador for Colombia > Fedora Release 10 (Cambridge): Linux Kernel 2.6.27 + KDE 4.2 > > ------------------------------ > > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing listFedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.comhttps://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > > > -- > Best Regards, > Jasonhttp://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Jason_Benedict_Low > VoIP = sip:jasonbenedict at fedoraproject.org > ------ When i work nobody care. 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I downloaded it :-) -- Best Regards, Jason Singapore Fedora Ambassador http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Jason_Benedict_Low VoIP = sip:jasonbenedict at fedoraproject.org ------ When i work nobody care. When i rest everybody stare. ------ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From thinklinux.ssh at gmail.com Sat Feb 14 05:29:34 2009 From: thinklinux.ssh at gmail.com (susmit shannigrahi) Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2009 10:59:34 +0530 Subject: [Ambassadors] Fedora Freemedia processing is now automated. Testing required. (please read.) In-Reply-To: References: <496F9BC5.4090306@fedoraproject.org> <497008EE.3070409@gmail.com> <35586fc00901282023p5edc0479x9bf28622a599108f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: > I have been participating of free media program since December 2008. I > followed and tested the automated processing of the freemedia. But I > haven't see any request on February. I just wanted to know what > happened with this. I don't know. But I still don't know how the form get opened and closed. That is, how it is decided to close the form? based on date ? based on number of e requests? Unless we are clear about these, we can not open it to public. For a start, I am going to create a page under http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Infrastructure/SOP/ to clear out the process. you can edit it here https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Infrastructure/SOP/FreeMedia Thanks. -- Regards, Susmit. ============================================= ssh 0x86DD170A http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/user:susmit ============================================= From thinklinux.ssh at gmail.com Sat Feb 14 06:17:13 2009 From: thinklinux.ssh at gmail.com (susmit shannigrahi) Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2009 11:47:13 +0530 Subject: [Ambassadors] Media for APAC Ambassadors In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: > Thanks for the gesture. We could do with some for distribution among our LUG > members and college students. Here's the address: > Prof. Ritabari Roychowdhury > Students' Linux Users' Group > RCC Institute of Information Technology > Canal South Road > Beliaghata > Kolkata - 700015 > India For India we have produced enough numbers. We can leave those LiveCDs and DVDs for rest of APAC :) Thanks. > I am not mentioning any quantity: consider whatever you deem fit. It will > immensely help us if you do ship them to us. > > -- > Yours sincerely, > > Dipanjan Chakraborty > > http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/DipanjanChakraborty > > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > > -- Regards, Susmit. ============================================= ssh 0x86DD170A http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/user:susmit ============================================= From thinklinux.ssh at gmail.com Sat Feb 14 07:16:13 2009 From: thinklinux.ssh at gmail.com (susmit shannigrahi) Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2009 12:46:13 +0530 Subject: [Ambassadors] Asking for fedora 10 Dvd In-Reply-To: <234374.21333.qm@web94304.mail.in2.yahoo.com> References: <234374.21333.qm@web94304.mail.in2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: 2009/2/13 rabi kumar : > I am RABI Kumar (Lug coordinator,wbut lug).Some of WBUT students and > faculties requires DVDs of F10.Can i get it.I am sending mailing address : I guess we had a mirror at wbut. Why don't you take care of it and take the DVD s from there? BTW, how many would you need? > > > Rabi kumar > BF-142,salt lake kolkata. > > phone no:9903391705 > > ________________________________ > Download prohibited? No problem. CHAT from any browser, without download. > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > > -- Regards, Susmit. ============================================= ssh 0x86DD170A http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/user:susmit ============================================= From thinklinux.ssh at gmail.com Sat Feb 14 07:58:18 2009 From: thinklinux.ssh at gmail.com (susmit shannigrahi) Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2009 13:28:18 +0530 Subject: [Ambassadors] [Discussion] Reporting template for ambassadors. Message-ID: Hi, As we were just discussing this, we are getting lots of new ambassadors. For Fedora India, its couple of them almost every week. But it is time to think if we getting as much output as well. So how will it be to have a standard template for monthly -- Regards, Susmit. ============================================= ssh 0x86DD170A http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/user:susmit ============================================= From angel at linux.org.bd Sat Feb 14 08:20:34 2009 From: angel at linux.org.bd (Ashiqur Rahman Angel) Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2009 14:20:34 +0600 Subject: [Ambassadors] Media for APAC Ambassadors In-Reply-To: <49d06cc40902130822o6237f974m42c6a3d9018e1095@mail.gmail.com> References: <49d06cc40902130822o6237f974m42c6a3d9018e1095@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: 2009/2/13 Ahsan > Thanks a lot for the offer. > I could use it to distribute among the students of my university - BUET > (Bangladesh University of Engineering & Technology), They are going to have > a vacation soon and will be interested in learning about fedora. Not that > they dont know already, but most of the non CS students and many CS students > are yet to use Fedora/Linux on their machines ! > > Do let me know if shipping to my country is possible. > > Thanks and have a nice time. > Hi Ahsan, If you need DVDs or CDs for free distribution, you can get it from me. Contact with me directly with quantity you need and the purpose. I?ll manage rest of the thing. -- Angel Bangladesh Linux Users Alliance Fedora Bangladesh http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Angel 0DF8 3CD4 AFE3 68C6 2CDA 9F17 14B8 1A15 E5F7 73C2 Fedora -- Freedom? and rapid innovation -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From christoph.wickert at googlemail.com Sat Feb 14 11:41:21 2009 From: christoph.wickert at googlemail.com (Christoph Wickert) Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2009 12:41:21 +0100 Subject: [Ambassadors] a fedora feature criticized In-Reply-To: <6f631c430902130312y67a40480h5d2aaba96b19ef64@mail.gmail.com> References: <6f631c430902060146o6dfdf7f6u280496413a45bb66@mail.gmail.com> <1234202675.3335.29.camel@localhost.localdomain> <6f631c430902130312y67a40480h5d2aaba96b19ef64@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1234611681.3577.14.camel@localhost.localdomain> Am Freitag, den 13.02.2009, 16:42 +0530 schrieb gopal das: > Hi, > I have installed Fedora 10 (nearly 12 times) on 5 desktop PCs > (including 2 NOs. of AMD X2 and 2 NOs. of Intel Core 2 Duo and 1 Intel > Pentium 4). If you do 12 installations on 5 computers, you are installing each one at least twice. Why that? This is not Windows ;) > In every installation I tested with ACPI on and off. But on each case > a message has shown at the starting poing of the booting, like this > "Could not detect stabilization, wait 10 second" . This was a problem with mkinird that had absolutely nothing to 20 second startup feature. It also appeared on RHEL 5, and RHEL doesn't have the new sturtup. In your previous mail you criticized that "various services and scripts" and "other crucial jobs" have not been run correctly. So let me ask you again: What were you talking about? > And the thing which creating all the trouble that may be the new > booting technology ("30 second startup" feature is introduced in > Fedora 10). I suggest to search bugzilla before shooting in the dark. > I am of course not against the faster booting (30 second 20 whatever > it is) but confused with the big big quistion, is that, why this king > of booting problem is occuring to a system (with Fedora 10) which is > booting fine with Fedora 8 or Fedora 9 or Debian or Slackware? Is any of them running the same kernel/mkinird? Regards, Christoph P.S.: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines#No_HTML_Mail.2C_Please From g5_fosslover at yahoo.in Sat Feb 14 18:19:28 2009 From: g5_fosslover at yahoo.in (Gaurav Prabhu) Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2009 23:49:28 +0530 (IST) Subject: [Ambassadors] Fedora 11 Alpha Review Message-ID: <268.31961.qm@web95112.mail.in2.yahoo.com> Hello, Check out my Fedora 11 Alpha Review at, http://gauravlive.com/open-source/fedora-11-alpha-review/ Add more friends to your messenger and enjoy! Go to http://messenger.yahoo.com/invite/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I?ll manage > rest of the thing. > > > -- > Angel > Bangladesh Linux Users Alliance > Fedora Bangladesh > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Angel > 0DF8 3CD4 AFE3 68C6 2CDA 9F17 14B8 1A15 E5F7 73C2 > > Fedora -- Freedom? and rapid innovation > > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > > Hi, I need around 10 Fedora 10 x86 DVD . I shall be grateful if anyone can send me those. I need to distribute them as free media request. Thank You in advance. Shambo Bose 33, Ramkrishna Park P.O. Laskarpur, Kolkata - 700153 West Bengal INDIA -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Then, I'd like to discuss the following items: 1 - Working with leadership in each SIG / Sub-project to identify direct contacts for new contributors 2 - Providing resources to new contributors to help them find their way * Identify possible SIGs/Sub-projects which the new contributor might participate * Help them get a better understanding of the workflow in their chosen groups 3 - Each group has a slightly different join process, and we're here to lower that barrier, not do the work for them. What can we do to make it easier to become a contributor. 4 - Statistics gathering * The conversion ratio from those who join the project to those who contribute something (1 week, 1 month, 1 year, etc) See you all tomorrow Cheers, Clint From jbenedictlow at gmail.com Sun Feb 15 06:36:02 2009 From: jbenedictlow at gmail.com (Jason Benedict Low) Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2009 14:36:02 +0800 Subject: [Ambassadors] Fedora 11 Alpha Review In-Reply-To: <268.31961.qm@web95112.mail.in2.yahoo.com> References: <268.31961.qm@web95112.mail.in2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4997B7D2.7090005@gmail.com> Really a short quick review, nice work. ;-) hmm, KDE 4.2, wondering what is on with Gnome and F11, any review on it? Gaurav Prabhu wrote: > Hello, > > Check out my Fedora 11 Alpha Review at, > > http://gauravlive.com/open-source/fedora-11-alpha-review/ > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Add more friends to your messenger and enjoy! 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Waiting for an answer Regards Francesco Ugolini From fugolini at fedoraproject.org Sun Feb 15 11:56:07 2009 From: fugolini at fedoraproject.org (Francesco Ugolini) Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2009 12:56:07 +0100 Subject: [Ambassadors] Re: Organize NA and EMEA IRC meeting In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 4:55 PM, Francesco Ugolini wrote: > > Hoping to received feedbacks (and sure answers) > > Francesco Ugolini > Ok, this is a proposal, let me know if it could work. What about Wednesday 25th at 18.00 UTC? Is good enough ? Regards Francesco Ugolini From gerold at lugd.org Sun Feb 15 12:17:27 2009 From: gerold at lugd.org (Gerold Kassube) Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2009 13:17:27 +0100 Subject: [Ambassadors] Re: Organize NA and EMEA IRC meeting In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1234700248.3346.47.camel@F10Lap1.homenet.local> Hi, in case that somebody wants me to attend the meeting, ... 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Clint From thinklinux.ssh at gmail.com Mon Feb 16 01:35:03 2009 From: thinklinux.ssh at gmail.com (susmit shannigrahi) Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 07:05:03 +0530 Subject: [Ambassadors] [Discussion] Reporting template for ambassadors. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Sun, Feb 15, 2009 at 5:24 PM, Francesco Ugolini wrote: > On Sat, Feb 14, 2009 at 8:58 AM, susmit shannigrahi > wrote: >> Hi, >> As we were just discussing this, we are getting lots of new ambassadors. >> For Fedora India, its couple of them almost every week. >> But it is time to think if we getting as much output as well. >> >> So how will it be to have a standard template for monthly >> >> -- >> Regards, >> Susmit. > > > Are you talking about Event Reporting or New Members Reporting? No, am talking about report from exsisting ambassadors on what they are doing. > Sorry, but I missed the point. > > Waiting for an answer > > Regards > > Francesco Ugolini > > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > -- Regards, Susmit. ============================================= ssh 0x86DD170A http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/user:susmit ============================================= From hagr182 at gmail.com Mon Feb 16 02:33:34 2009 From: hagr182 at gmail.com (Hector Alfonso Gonzalez Ramirez) Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2009 20:33:34 -0600 Subject: [Ambassadors] Fedora 11 Alpha Review In-Reply-To: <318722.45118.qm@web95104.mail.in2.yahoo.com> References: <4997B7D2.7090005@gmail.com> <318722.45118.qm@web95104.mail.in2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1d24cdf80902151833h5d653c4bu7d1e695abcf980c3@mail.gmail.com> Nice review havent got time myself to check out f11 yet, tough that may change, I was even planning to attend FAD as I was offered some support, but due to school / job issues I cant and I havent even been able to check my email in the last few weeks!!! tough I will be surely checking out f11 ASAP 2009/2/15 Gaurav Prabhu > Really a short quick review, nice work. ;-) hmm, KDE 4.2, wondering what > is on with Gnome and F11, any review on it? > > _____________________________________________________________________________ > > > > I didn't download the DVD image, so can't comment on that. > > Regards, > Gaurav > > > ------------------------------ > Get perfect Email ID for your Resume. 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I believe he is talking about a format/template which will be useful for Ambassadors to use to record details about work done during a given time period. /me would be waiting for Susmit to write in with more... -- http://www.gutenberg.net - Fine literature digitally re-published http://www.plos.org - Public Library of Science http://www.creativecommons.org - Flexible copyright for creative work From david at gnsa.us Mon Feb 16 04:40:04 2009 From: david at gnsa.us (David Nalley) Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2009 23:40:04 -0500 Subject: [Ambassadors] [Discussion] Reporting template for ambassadors. In-Reply-To: <35586fc00902152014q2c49d432m3f43c35060bb92e8@mail.gmail.com> References: <35586fc00902152014q2c49d432m3f43c35060bb92e8@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Sun, Feb 15, 2009 at 11:14 PM, Sankarshan Mukhopadhyay wrote: > On Sun, Feb 15, 2009 at 5:24 PM, Francesco Ugolini > wrote: > >> Are you talking about Event Reporting or New Members Reporting? > > I believe he is talking about a format/template which will be useful > for Ambassadors to use to record details about work done during a > given time period. > > /me would be waiting for Susmit to write in with more... > > -- > We have: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FedoraEvents/ReportingGuidelines From unidentified221 at gmail.com Mon Feb 16 04:44:54 2009 From: unidentified221 at gmail.com (Emilio Simpkins) Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2009 22:44:54 -0600 Subject: [Ambassadors] [Discussion] Reporting template for ambassadors. In-Reply-To: References: <35586fc00902152014q2c49d432m3f43c35060bb92e8@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: I kind of got the drift we would be "reporting" to a certain group of people for evaluation, but your idea sounds better On Mon, Feb 16, 2009 at 10:40 PM, David Nalley wrote: > On Sun, Feb 15, 2009 at 11:14 PM, Sankarshan Mukhopadhyay > wrote: > > On Sun, Feb 15, 2009 at 5:24 PM, Francesco Ugolini > > wrote: > > > >> Are you talking about Event Reporting or New Members Reporting? > > > > I believe he is talking about a format/template which will be useful > > for Ambassadors to use to record details about work done during a > > given time period. > > > > /me would be waiting for Susmit to write in with more... > > > > -- > > > > We have: > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FedoraEvents/ReportingGuidelines > > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From thinklinux.ssh at gmail.com Mon Feb 16 04:53:15 2009 From: thinklinux.ssh at gmail.com (susmit shannigrahi) Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 10:23:15 +0530 Subject: [Ambassadors] [Discussion] Reporting template for ambassadors. In-Reply-To: <35586fc00902152014q2c49d432m3f43c35060bb92e8@mail.gmail.com> References: <35586fc00902152014q2c49d432m3f43c35060bb92e8@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: > /me would be waiting for Susmit to write in with more... My point is, there are a lot of Fedora Ambassadors and a lot of them are inactive or pseudo active. There may not be a way to show them the door right away, but surely we can ask for details on what they did for Fedora in recent past. This is becoming a *requirement* as there was serious allegations against some ambassadors, who, in spite of claiming to be active Fedora Ambassador, didn't participate in the recent events at their locality. Skipping an event is ok if someone is busy. But more serious allegation was, they didn't replied the mails asking for help in organising the Fedora Events or neither did they forward the mails to lists. So, there must be a way to verify what people are contributing as Ambassadors. How about having a standard questionnaire which ambassadors will fill every month(or in a couple of months) giving details of what they have been doing as an ambassador during the last couple of months. This way we may have more data and better handling of things. Thanks. -- Regards, Susmit. ============================================= ssh 0x86DD170A http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/user:susmit ============================================= From thinklinux.ssh at gmail.com Mon Feb 16 04:59:00 2009 From: thinklinux.ssh at gmail.com (susmit shannigrahi) Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 10:29:00 +0530 Subject: [Ambassadors] [Discussion] Reporting template for ambassadors. In-Reply-To: References: <35586fc00902152014q2c49d432m3f43c35060bb92e8@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: 2009/2/16 Emilio Simpkins : > I kind of got the drift we would be "reporting" to a certain group of people > for evaluation, but your idea sounds better No...if we have the reports, it will be open to all...public reports. May be we can do it under our respective homepage, or under some kind of publicly accessible infrastructure. -- Regards, Susmit. ============================================= ssh 0x86DD170A http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/user:susmit ============================================= From foss.mailinglists at gmail.com Mon Feb 16 05:00:20 2009 From: foss.mailinglists at gmail.com (Sankarshan Mukhopadhyay) Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 10:30:20 +0530 Subject: [Ambassadors] [Discussion] Reporting template for ambassadors. In-Reply-To: References: <35586fc00902152014q2c49d432m3f43c35060bb92e8@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <35586fc00902152100t3ba43365gcc8b31d649505b54@mail.gmail.com> On Mon, Feb 16, 2009 at 10:23 AM, susmit shannigrahi wrote: >> /me would be waiting for Susmit to write in with more... > > My point is, there are a lot of Fedora Ambassadors and a lot of them > are inactive or pseudo active. Doing this on a regular basis would provide everyone with an idea of what has been happening around the world within a time snapshot. -- http://www.gutenberg.net - Fine literature digitally re-published http://www.plos.org - Public Library of Science http://www.creativecommons.org - Flexible copyright for creative work From unidentified221 at gmail.com Mon Feb 16 05:03:14 2009 From: unidentified221 at gmail.com (Emilio Simpkins) Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2009 23:03:14 -0600 Subject: [Ambassadors] [Discussion] Reporting template for ambassadors. In-Reply-To: References: <35586fc00902152014q2c49d432m3f43c35060bb92e8@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: what do you mean pseudo-active? On Sun, Feb 15, 2009 at 10:53 PM, susmit shannigrahi < thinklinux.ssh at gmail.com> wrote: > > /me would be waiting for Susmit to write in with more... > > My point is, there are a lot of Fedora Ambassadors and a lot of them > are inactive or pseudo active. > > There may not be a way to show them the door right away, but surely we > can ask for details on what they did for Fedora in recent past. > > This is becoming a *requirement* as there was serious allegations > against some ambassadors, who, in spite of claiming to be active > Fedora Ambassador, didn't participate in the recent events at their > locality. > > Skipping an event is ok if someone is busy. But more serious > allegation was, they didn't replied the mails asking for help in > organising the Fedora Events or neither did they forward the mails to > lists. > > So, there must be a way to verify what people are contributing as > Ambassadors. > > How about having a standard questionnaire which ambassadors will fill > every month(or in a couple of months) giving details of what they have > been doing as an ambassador during the last couple of months. > > This way we may have more data and better handling of things. > > Thanks. > -- > Regards, > Susmit. > > ============================================= > ssh > 0x86DD170A > http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/user:susmit > ============================================= > > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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In-Reply-To: References: <35586fc00902152014q2c49d432m3f43c35060bb92e8@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: 2009/2/16 Emilio Simpkins : > what do you mean pseudo-active? For example, who claims to be active in mailing lists and irc, but does not reply to mails when a local LUG asks for help in organising a Fedora Event. This is sad, but it just happened. -- Regards, Susmit. ============================================= ssh 0x86DD170A http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/user:susmit ============================================= From nacross at gmail.com Mon Feb 16 05:09:49 2009 From: nacross at gmail.com (Neville A. Cross) Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2009 23:09:49 -0600 Subject: [Ambassadors] [Discussion] Reporting template for ambassadors. In-Reply-To: <35586fc00902152100t3ba43365gcc8b31d649505b54@mail.gmail.com> References: <35586fc00902152014q2c49d432m3f43c35060bb92e8@mail.gmail.com> <35586fc00902152100t3ba43365gcc8b31d649505b54@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Sun, Feb 15, 2009 at 11:00 PM, Sankarshan Mukhopadhyay wrote: > On Mon, Feb 16, 2009 at 10:23 AM, susmit shannigrahi > wrote: >>> /me would be waiting for Susmit to write in with more... >> >> My point is, there are a lot of Fedora Ambassadors and a lot of them >> are inactive or pseudo active. > > Doing this on a regular basis would provide everyone with an idea of > what has been happening around the world within a time snapshot. > If there is a template to follow in each ambassador page that require periodically to be updated... it will show right away if he or she is active or not. For example if you have a time line on your activities, it will show your last activities, and also may show for how long an ambassador has been dormant. It is a bit of work, but it will help keep track of things. -- Neville https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Yn1v Linux User # 473217 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Check: http://www.clickmanagua.com - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - From unidentified221 at gmail.com Mon Feb 16 05:11:39 2009 From: unidentified221 at gmail.com (Emilio Simpkins) Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2009 23:11:39 -0600 Subject: [Ambassadors] [Discussion] Reporting template for ambassadors. In-Reply-To: References: <35586fc00902152014q2c49d432m3f43c35060bb92e8@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Oh....well i've only recently just joined Fedora as a Ambassador, so I havent gotten any emails about a Fedora Event in my area. On Sun, Feb 15, 2009 at 11:07 PM, susmit shannigrahi < thinklinux.ssh at gmail.com> wrote: > 2009/2/16 Emilio Simpkins : > > what do you mean pseudo-active? > > For example, who claims to be active in mailing lists and irc, but > does not reply to mails when a local LUG asks for help in organising a > Fedora Event. > > This is sad, but it just happened. > > > -- > Regards, > Susmit. > > ============================================= > ssh > 0x86DD170A > http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/user:susmit > ============================================= > > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nacross at gmail.com Mon Feb 16 05:36:52 2009 From: nacross at gmail.com (Neville A. Cross) Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2009 23:36:52 -0600 Subject: [Ambassadors] [Discussion] Reporting template for ambassadors. In-Reply-To: References: <35586fc00902152014q2c49d432m3f43c35060bb92e8@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Sun, Feb 15, 2009 at 11:07 PM, susmit shannigrahi wrote: > 2009/2/16 Emilio Simpkins : >> what do you mean pseudo-active? > > For example, who claims to be active in mailing lists and irc, but > does not reply to mails when a local LUG asks for help in organising a > Fedora Event. > > This is sad, but it just happened. > > All this rings a bell regarding ambassador page template (or templates) to help organize personal information in a more coherent way. When you see one ambassador page and then see another, ther are time that you can not relate the info. Let alone those pages that are almost empty. I followed the template discussion, but I can't recall a conclusion on that topic. There are also ambassador listed that haven't created their page. They are highlighted in red, some of them have more that two month old without taking care of this duty. I have been tracking my activities on my page. I have created an orderly account but without aesthetically considerations. I don't know if that example may help Susmit ideas. Best regards -- Neville https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Yn1v Linux User # 473217 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Check: http://www.clickmanagua.com - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - From sanjay.ankur at gmail.com Mon Feb 16 06:48:43 2009 From: sanjay.ankur at gmail.com (Ankur Sinha) Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 12:18:43 +0530 Subject: [Ambassadors] [Discussion] Reporting template for ambassadors. In-Reply-To: References: <35586fc00902152014q2c49d432m3f43c35060bb92e8@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1234766923.10073.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Mon, 2009-02-16 at 10:37 +0530, susmit shannigrahi wrote: > 2009/2/16 Emilio Simpkins : > > what do you mean pseudo-active? > > For example, who claims to be active in mailing lists and irc, but > does not reply to mails when a local LUG asks for help in organising a > Fedora Event. > > This is sad, but it just happened. > > hi, How would the activity be "judged" ? Is it based on events conducted/ helped in or also what work you do at the project? I mean Packaging etc? eg: Some packages hardly require any changes so the packager is going to be dormant in that while. Will that come under pseudo activity? I'm just saying that a set of guidelines needs to be put up if this is to be implemented. regards, Ankur From thinklinux.ssh at gmail.com Mon Feb 16 07:08:35 2009 From: thinklinux.ssh at gmail.com (susmit shannigrahi) Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 12:38:35 +0530 Subject: [Ambassadors] [Discussion] Reporting template for ambassadors. In-Reply-To: <1234766923.10073.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <35586fc00902152014q2c49d432m3f43c35060bb92e8@mail.gmail.com> <1234766923.10073.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: > hi, > > How would the activity be "judged" ? Is it based on events conducted/ > helped in or also what work you do at the project? I mean Packaging > etc? No, we are taking about the jobs ambassadors are supposed to do. > eg: Some packages hardly require any changes so the packager is going to > be dormant in that while. Will that come under pseudo activity? I guess an ambassador may be a packager, but that is not the job *as* an ambassador. If you are an ambassador, your role is clearly defined here http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors#Contributing_roles_in_the_Ambassadors_Project Someone may be very good in packaging, coding or any other job, but that does not make someone a good ambassador as well. The above link will be a good example which are the areas ambassadors should focus. But an ambassador must not be limited to that only. > I'm just saying that a set of guidelines needs to be put up if this is > to be implemented. > > regards, > > Ankur > > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > -- Regards, Susmit. ============================================= ssh 0x86DD170A http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/user:susmit ============================================= From thinklinux.ssh at gmail.com Mon Feb 16 07:13:28 2009 From: thinklinux.ssh at gmail.com (susmit shannigrahi) Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 12:43:28 +0530 Subject: [Ambassadors] [Discussion] Reporting template for ambassadors. In-Reply-To: References: <35586fc00902152014q2c49d432m3f43c35060bb92e8@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: > All this rings a bell regarding ambassador page template (or > templates) to help organize personal information in a more coherent > way. When you see one ambassador page and then see another, ther are > time that you can not relate the info. Let alone those pages that are > almost empty. I followed the template discussion, but I can't recall a > conclusion on that topic. There was not!!! I guess we need to automate the new home page creation, so that whenever someone is approved, the page is automatically created. >There are also ambassador listed that > haven't created their page. > They are highlighted in red, some of them > have more that two month old without taking care of this duty. I shall work on this homeless ambassador thing in our next meeting. Thanks for raising this. > I have been tracking my activities on my page. I have created an > orderly account but without aesthetically considerations. I don't know > if that example may help Susmit ideas. This is exactly what I am trying to say. Thanks for it. I shall make it a point of reference. :) > Best regards > > -- > Neville > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Yn1v > Linux User # 473217 > > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > Check: http://www.clickmanagua.com > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > -- Regards, Susmit. ============================================= ssh 0x86DD170A http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/user:susmit ============================================= From red at fedoraproject.org Mon Feb 16 07:55:50 2009 From: red at fedoraproject.org (Sandro "red" Mathys) Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 08:55:50 +0100 Subject: [Ambassadors] Re: Organize NA and EMEA IRC meeting In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <49991C06.7060501@fedoraproject.org> > What about Wednesday 25th at 18.00 UTC? +1 (i.e. I should be able to attend, but as I'm looking for a new flat this could change rapidly) From sanjay.ankur at gmail.com Mon Feb 16 12:45:25 2009 From: sanjay.ankur at gmail.com (Ankur Sinha) Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 18:15:25 +0530 Subject: [Ambassadors] [Discussion] Reporting template for ambassadors. In-Reply-To: References: <35586fc00902152014q2c49d432m3f43c35060bb92e8@mail.gmail.com> <1234766923.10073.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1234788325.10073.13.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Mon, 2009-02-16 at 12:38 +0530, susmit shannigrahi wrote: > > hi, > > > > How would the activity be "judged" ? Is it based on events conducted/ > > helped in or also what work you do at the project? I mean Packaging > > etc? > > No, we are taking about the jobs ambassadors are supposed to do. > > > eg: Some packages hardly require any changes so the packager is going to > > be dormant in that while. Will that come under pseudo activity? > > I guess an ambassador may be a packager, but that is not the job *as* > an ambassador. > If you are an ambassador, your role is clearly defined here > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors#Contributing_roles_in_the_Ambassadors_Project > > Someone may be very good in packaging, coding or any other job, but > that does not make someone a good ambassador as well. > > The above link will be a good example which are the areas ambassadors > should focus. > But an ambassador must not be limited to that only. > > > I'm just saying that a set of guidelines needs to be put up if this is > > to be implemented. > > > > regards, > > > > Ankur > > > > -- > > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > > hi, Okay.. I understand it now.. Thanks for the clarification.. regards, Ankur From azneita at fedoraproject.org Mon Feb 16 17:12:43 2009 From: azneita at fedoraproject.org (Heherson Pagcaliwagan) Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 01:12:43 +0800 Subject: [Ambassadors] Quick APAC Meeting Report Message-ID: <928156be0902160912p646e5568y6202cebe7a14de2d@mail.gmail.com> Just want to make a quick report that nobody else made it to the APAC meeting last Sunday as scheduled. Even though I already half expected it, I was still surprised by the no show. So here's what I discussed with myself: 1. Philippines has two upcoming events that I know of - the ITE Roadshow and the Summer Geek Camp 2 (both of which are now already on FedoraEvents) 2. Harish just promised to provide media for the ITE Roadshow and he has my lots of thanks. 3. APAC needs an event that will bring the community together - something like this FOSDEM I've been hearing a lot of lately :D Regards, -- Heherson Pagcaliwagan http://project.azneita.org From bpowell01 at gmail.com Mon Feb 16 17:55:03 2009 From: bpowell01 at gmail.com (Brian Powell) Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 12:55:03 -0500 Subject: [Ambassadors] Re: Organize NA and EMEA IRC meeting In-Reply-To: <49991C06.7060501@fedoraproject.org> References: <49991C06.7060501@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <96365e610902160955j26137234pad894c9133ce44c2@mail.gmail.com> On Mon, Feb 16, 2009 at 2:55 AM, Sandro red Mathys wrote: >> What about Wednesday 25th at 18.00 UTC? > > +1 > (i.e. I should be able to attend, but as I'm looking for a new flat this > could change rapidly) > > > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > This works for me as well. -- Regards, Brian Powell http://fedoraproject.org http://wnylug.org From francesco at ephisia.org Mon Feb 16 19:24:57 2009 From: francesco at ephisia.org (Francesco Ugolini) Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 20:24:57 +0100 Subject: [Ambassadors] Re: Organize NA and EMEA IRC meeting In-Reply-To: <1234700248.3346.47.camel@F10Lap1.homenet.local> References: <1234700248.3346.47.camel@F10Lap1.homenet.local> Message-ID: 2009/2/15 Gerold Kassube : > Hi, > > in case that somebody wants me to attend the meeting, ... > For me it's impossible to be there before 22 CET because of "business > cases", family and "dog related" options :-( > But I'm also sure that there are many, many, other persons who attend > and will give their ideas for a successfully teamwork between the > "groups" .. > > > Regards > > Gerold > Your presence is really important, I'm sure your Ambassadorial experience is something so precious. The BIG problem is that it's necessary to find a time zone that could be ok both for EMEA and NA, so, I'm taking note of the people feedbacks and I'm sure during this week I should be able to give you a defined answer. BTW, your option is taken in consideration as well as the other. Thank you Francesco Ugolini From chakraborty.dipanjan at gmail.com Mon Feb 16 19:31:56 2009 From: chakraborty.dipanjan at gmail.com (Dipanjan Chakraborty) Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 01:01:56 +0530 Subject: [Ambassadors] Quick APAC Meeting Report In-Reply-To: <928156be0902160912p646e5568y6202cebe7a14de2d@mail.gmail.com> References: <928156be0902160912p646e5568y6202cebe7a14de2d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Mon, Feb 16, 2009 at 10:42 PM, Heherson Pagcaliwagan < azneita at fedoraproject.org> wrote: > Just want to make a quick report that nobody else made it to the APAC > meeting last Sunday as scheduled. Even though I already half expected > it, I was still surprised by the no show. > > So here's what I discussed with myself: > 1. Philippines has two upcoming events that I know of - the ITE > Roadshow and the Summer Geek Camp 2 (both of which are now already on > FedoraEvents) > 2. Harish just promised to provide media for the ITE Roadshow and he > has my lots of thanks. > 3. APAC needs an event that will bring the community together - > something like this FOSDEM I've been hearing a lot of lately :D > > Regards, > -- > Heherson Pagcaliwagan > http://project.azneita.org > > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > I am very sorry that I could not make it as I am kept very busy these days. I didn't know that the turnout will be this bad. -- Yours sincerely, Dipanjan Chakraborty -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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In-Reply-To: References: <35586fc00902152014q2c49d432m3f43c35060bb92e8@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Mon, Feb 16, 2009 at 10:23 AM, susmit shannigrahi < thinklinux.ssh at gmail.com> wrote: > > /me would be waiting for Susmit to write in with more... > > My point is, there are a lot of Fedora Ambassadors and a lot of them > are inactive or pseudo active. > > There may not be a way to show them the door right away, but surely we > can ask for details on what they did for Fedora in recent past. > > This is becoming a *requirement* as there was serious allegations > against some ambassadors, who, in spite of claiming to be active > Fedora Ambassador, didn't participate in the recent events at their > locality. > > Skipping an event is ok if someone is busy. But more serious > allegation was, they didn't replied the mails asking for help in > organising the Fedora Events or neither did they forward the mails to > lists. > > So, there must be a way to verify what people are contributing as > Ambassadors. > > How about having a standard questionnaire which ambassadors will fill > every month(or in a couple of months) giving details of what they have > been doing as an ambassador during the last couple of months. > > This way we may have more data and better handling of things. > > Thanks. > -- > Regards, > Susmit. > > ============================================= > ssh > 0x86DD170A > http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/user:susmit > ============================================= > > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > Thats a really nice idea. 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APAC needs an event that will bring the community together - > something like this FOSDEM I've been hearing a lot of lately :D > > Regards, > -- > Heherson Pagcaliwagan > http://project.azneita.org > > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > FOSDEM sort of a thing would definitely be a new stride. I would propose to have more discussion on this particular topic. -- Rangeen Basu Roy Chowdhury sherry151 at gmail.com !!!Windows is "micro"-soft[ware]..I like bigger things!!! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Philippines has two upcoming events that I know of - the ITE > Roadshow and the Summer Geek Camp 2 (both of which are now already on > FedoraEvents) The ITE Roadshow happens tomorrow. Magie, Kim ,and the other Fedora Philippines community members available on that day will man the Fedora booth. I will deliver a 2-hour presentation about Fedora, the Fedora Project, and Koji. > 2. Harish just promised to provide media for the ITE Roadshow and he > has my lots of thanks. Thanks Harish! I hope the media reaches us in time. Regards, Engels From mspevack at redhat.com Tue Feb 17 07:15:24 2009 From: mspevack at redhat.com (Max Spevack) Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 08:15:24 +0100 (CET) Subject: [Ambassadors] Quick APAC Meeting Report In-Reply-To: References: <928156be0902160912p646e5568y6202cebe7a14de2d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 17 Feb 2009, Rangeen Basu wrote: >> 3. APAC needs an event that will bring the community together - >> something like this FOSDEM I've been hearing a lot of lately :D Is this something that can happen at the global level -- is there a community-friendly event in APAC that we can use as a rallying point for our community -- or is it something that we need to create ourselves? --Max From thinklinux.ssh at gmail.com Tue Feb 17 07:53:49 2009 From: thinklinux.ssh at gmail.com (susmit shannigrahi) Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 13:23:49 +0530 Subject: [Ambassadors] Quick APAC Meeting Report In-Reply-To: References: <928156be0902160912p646e5568y6202cebe7a14de2d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: > Is this something that can happen at the global level -- is there a > community-friendly event in APAC that we can use as a rallying point for our > community -- or is it something that we need to create ourselves? I am not very sure about this. Probably we need to create one. But this is surely we need to do. Attendance in meeting and mails to list from APAC are low. What's wrong with APAC? . -- Regards, Susmit. ============================================= ssh 0x86DD170A http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/user:susmit ============================================= From sherry151 at gmail.com Tue Feb 17 08:02:18 2009 From: sherry151 at gmail.com (Rangeen Basu) Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 13:32:18 +0530 Subject: [Ambassadors] Help reequired for install fest in Kalyani Govt. Engineering College, West Bengal Message-ID: The Linux Users of Kalyani Govt. Engineering College(KGEC) are willing to organize an install fest. They need support like free media and expertise. I am willing to help them but I don't have DVDs neither can I arrange for them right now. If anybody can provide free media then it will be of great help. Please contact me if anybody has any DVDs or live cds with him. 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They need support like free media > and expertise. I am willing to help them but I don't have DVDs neither > can I arrange for them right now. If anybody can provide free media > then it will be of great help. Please contact me if anybody has any > DVDs or live cds with him. This saturday is a probable date for the > install fest, so need to act fast. > > -- > Rangeen Basu Roy Chowdhury > > sherry151 at gmail.com > > !!!Windows is "micro"-soft[ware]..I like bigger things!!! > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list -- Gerold Kassube -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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But for having those you need to follow http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FedoraEvents/Introduction Please make sure you have a wiki page for the event and proper details with web link to the event(events), estimated number of attendance, and other details. If there is no entry in the event page, it is hard to allocate resources for it. Thanks. -- Regards, Susmit. ============================================= ssh 0x86DD170A http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/user:susmit ============================================= Sent from: Kolkata West Bengal India. From sherry151 at gmail.com Tue Feb 17 09:12:30 2009 From: sherry151 at gmail.com (Rangeen Basu) Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 14:42:30 +0530 Subject: [Ambassadors] Help reequired for install fest in Kalyani Govt. Engineering College, West Bengal In-Reply-To: References: <8990327d0902170041l2ec4cbb9od15d480079b29467@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: > > You can get media as Susmit told. But before that you just need to put > up an event page (ex. for mukti: > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FedoraEvents/Mukti09 ) putting in > details like what do you plan to do? expected audience? what all > things you need like media, stickers, posters etc. > > And then put it up as Fedora Event here: > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FedoraEvents > > Announce the event on f-ambassador/india mailing lists with those web-links > :) > > > --best > > Arindam > Done whatever Susmit asked. The links are here. https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FedoraEvents#Asia.2C_India.2C_Australia_Q4 https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FedoraEvents/KGEC_Install_Fest Since I am still in my probation period, it will be a great help if anyone else wants to attend the FAD in KGEC. -- Rangeen Basu Roy Chowdhury sherry151 at gmail.com !!!Windows is "micro"-soft[ware]..I like bigger things!!! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Engineering College, West Bengal In-Reply-To: References: <8990327d0902170041l2ec4cbb9od15d480079b29467@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: This has been taken care of. Thanks. :) On Tue, Feb 17, 2009 at 2:42 PM, Rangeen Basu wrote: > > >> >> >> You can get media as Susmit told. But before that you just need to put >> up an event page (ex. for mukti: >> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FedoraEvents/Mukti09 ) putting in >> details like what do you plan to do? expected audience? what all >> things you need like media, stickers, posters etc. >> >> And then put it up as Fedora Event here: >> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FedoraEvents >> >> Announce the event on f-ambassador/india mailing lists with those >> web-links :) >> >> >> --best >> >> Arindam > > > Done whatever Susmit asked. The links are here. > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FedoraEvents#Asia.2C_India.2C_Australia_Q4 > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FedoraEvents/KGEC_Install_Fest > > Since I am still in my probation period, it will be a great help if anyone > else wants to attend the FAD in KGEC. > -- > Rangeen Basu Roy Chowdhury > > sherry151 at gmail.com > !!!Windows is "micro"-soft[ware]..I like bigger things!!! > > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-india mailing list > Fedora-india at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-india > -- Regards, Susmit. ============================================= ssh 0x86DD170A http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/user:susmit ============================================= Sent from: Kolkata West Bengal India. From sherry151 at gmail.com Tue Feb 17 10:46:39 2009 From: sherry151 at gmail.com (Rangeen Basu) Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 16:16:39 +0530 Subject: [Ambassadors] Re: [fedora-india] Help reequired for install fest in Kalyani Govt. Engineering College, West Bengal In-Reply-To: References: <8990327d0902170041l2ec4cbb9od15d480079b29467@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: > > Also, I shall be handing over 50 DVDs and some stickers for this event. > If more needed, Dipanjan, please take care from your quota, I shall > give it to you. I shall get in touch with Dipanjan and Sarbatha for further action. > > > But I have rarely seen any install fest of that size. > If it happens it will be great. Well that's the number the organizers gave me. Lets see if we can see this through. > > > Rangeen, after event, I shall be needing all the details to whom media > was distributed. i.e Name, address, email, designation of all the > participants as soft copy, in addition to the customary event report. > Dipanjan, Sarbartha can guide you. > > Also, if any media is in excess, please return those. > > Thanks. > Once the event is done, I shall give a complete update of the event and also mail you the list of people to whom the media has been distribute. I shall return any excess dvd to you or to Dipanjan. If possible let me know if anyone else is coming to the event and where and when I can collect the media provided Dipanjan or Sabatha are not coming. -- Rangeen Basu Roy Chowdhury sherry151 at gmail.com !!!Windows is "micro"-soft[ware]..I like bigger things!!! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Thanks, John From inode0 at gmail.com Tue Feb 17 14:51:50 2009 From: inode0 at gmail.com (inode0) Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 08:51:50 -0600 Subject: [Ambassadors] [Discussion] Reporting template for ambassadors. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Sat, Feb 14, 2009 at 1:58 AM, susmit shannigrahi wrote: > Hi, > As we were just discussing this, we are getting lots of new ambassadors. > For Fedora India, its couple of them almost every week. > But it is time to think if we getting as much output as well. > > So how will it be to have a standard template for monthly Hi Susmit. I would like to see this discussion broadened to include FAmSCo and ambassadors from areas like North America who I don't think have participated in this discussion up to now. >From the discussion I've seen here it seems the impetus for this is to fix a small number of situations where an ambassador perhaps did not perform expected duties, especially troubling when it comes to ignoring a request from the broader community. In North America I think there is a weakness in that it is hard for the broader community to even figure out who to contact within Fedora about whether Fedora would like to participate in an event. These inquiries when they come seem to almost always get redirected to the ambassadors group from someone else who was contacted first. I think it might be good to have these sorts of contacts be made to the larger group of ambassadors so no one falls through the cracks. I am hesitant to endorse monthly reporting of routine contributions. While I see the motivation is good for asking for this I worry that creating a burden for all those who do contribute to find out who doesn't contribute isn't really fair to those who are contributing. If we make being an ambassador too much like having a paid job (without the pay) there may be unexpected negative outcomes. In order for this reporting to be useful in determining who is and who isn't contributing opens up a can of worms as well. It requires monitoring the data, making judgments about it, taking actions which I presume are punitive in nature against those deemed to be not contributing. I will add that when FAmNA was reborn we tried to contact every ambassador then listed for North America and the response rate was very disappointing. Most did not respond at all to our inquiries and encouragement that they join in the reorganization efforts. So we felt the sting of what appears to be large numbers of people listed as ambassadors who didn't even return an email. I can support the desire to clean up things some so when a visitor comes to the wiki and finds an ambassador they can at least expect a reply to an email. But I would rather add the burden to those who seem to have left the program rather than add it to those who are busy promoting Fedora now. Can the FAmSCo membership folks suggest a good way to deal with this? Thanks for bringing up one option we have Susmit. This is a festering problem that is only going to get worse the longer we ignore it. John From azneita at fedoraproject.org Tue Feb 17 14:56:40 2009 From: azneita at fedoraproject.org (Heherson Pagcaliwagan) Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 22:56:40 +0800 Subject: [Ambassadors] Quick APAC Meeting Report In-Reply-To: References: <928156be0902160912p646e5568y6202cebe7a14de2d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <928156be0902170656y584092dds6f4e1df161120857@mail.gmail.com> > Attendance in meeting and mails to list from APAC are low. > What's wrong with APAC? Nothing. I believe APAC is the same as all the other regions except that we're more geographically challenged than others - we can't convene that easily and/or we're not predisposed to do so. In terms of efforts, FedoraEvents shows that APAC events are ever increasing in numbers: 2009 - 5 (as of February 17); 2008 - 22; 2007 - 6; 2006 - 10 and 2005 - 0. This goes on to show that APAC is alive and well. Why are our mails and meeting logs low and almost bare? Because efforts are being done in isolation. There's no impetus to report or to ask for resources. Now is this good or bad? Depends on who you talk to. But if we want them here, we should encourage them to use our channels and make it worth their while. How? By making sure resources reach those who needs them and by giving due recognition to those who deserve them - all through Fedora APAC. -- Heherson Pagcaliwagan http://project.azneita.org From azneita at fedoraproject.org Tue Feb 17 15:11:49 2009 From: azneita at fedoraproject.org (Heherson Pagcaliwagan) Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 23:11:49 +0800 Subject: [Ambassadors] [Discussion] Reporting template for ambassadors. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <928156be0902170711n44daeb15x5eff05472dd56a77@mail.gmail.com> How about a karma-like points system? Event owners get a set number of points when they accomplished all the reporting requirements and then they get to distribute another set of points on those who helped out. Although I'm afraid it will just be a popularity contest but hey my two cents is still two cents :D -- Heherson Pagcaliwagan http://project.azneita.org From maxamillion at gmail.com Tue Feb 17 15:20:18 2009 From: maxamillion at gmail.com (Adam Miller) Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 09:20:18 -0600 Subject: [Ambassadors] [Discussion] Reporting template for ambassadors. In-Reply-To: <928156be0902170711n44daeb15x5eff05472dd56a77@mail.gmail.com> References: <928156be0902170711n44daeb15x5eff05472dd56a77@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: I don't really like the idea of a points system for events. I'm currently attending college at Sam Houston State University which is where I do majority of my ambassador work, trying to get my fellow computer science students involved, get faculty involved, even working towards getting the computer science department to fund some open source development and the work I do won't exactly rank very high on a points system because I'm not able to make it to thinks like fosdem and fudcon due to financial limitations. I also agree with inode0 in a big way. I work full time, I'm a full time college student, I'm a fedora package maintainer, I'm a fedora ambassador, and outside that I try to have some interaction with the real world. Adding mandatory monthly reporting to my list in order to prove or disprove contributions that I have or have not done will honestly be discouraging and a big burden for my already lacking free time. Just my thoughts. -Adam On Tue, Feb 17, 2009 at 9:11 AM, Heherson Pagcaliwagan wrote: > How about a karma-like points system? Event owners get a set number of > points when they accomplished all the reporting requirements and then > they get to distribute another set of points on those who helped out. > Although I'm afraid it will just be a popularity contest but hey my > two cents is still two cents :D > > -- > Heherson Pagcaliwagan > http://project.azneita.org > > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > -- http://maxamillion.googlepages.com --------------------------------------------------------- () ascii ribbon campaign - against html e-mail /\ www.asciiribbon.org - against proprietary attachments From thinklinux.ssh at gmail.com Tue Feb 17 15:35:05 2009 From: thinklinux.ssh at gmail.com (susmit shannigrahi) Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 21:05:05 +0530 Subject: [Famsco-list] Re: [Ambassadors] [Discussion] Reporting template for ambassadors. In-Reply-To: References: <35586fc00902152014q2c49d432m3f43c35060bb92e8@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: > To what end?? Are we going to kick out people who aren't performing up > to some predefined amount of work?? > I find it awfully difficult to justify adding yet more overhead to > people who are already working (and most likely quite busy) Suppose, someone is not any more interested contributing, neither they plan to do it again in future. What we currently do is to keep their junk pages in the wiki. People coming for help visits them, mails for help and get no reply. Should not we ping our ambassadors periodically and ensure they are still contributing or atleast interested in contributing? If someone is contributing, fine. If someone is not available for sometime, let him/her reply back that he/she will be unavailable for a specific period of time. Someone may be busy for a certain period of time, but that does not mean he/she can not reply back his/her unavailability. If someone does not reply in a month, it is for sure that he/she is not interested any more. What we can do is mail all the ambassadors asking if they are still "alive", if someone does not reply in a couple of week, send him/her another ping and even he/she does not reply in a month, remove him/her. My suggestion is not to kick out people, for a start, identify those who are dead for Fedora and remove them. > Don't get me wrong, I think accountability is a good thing - and in > volunteer organizations it's the way to ensure that things get done, > but not sure that mandatory reporting is the way to go. Generally I > have found that within a volunteer organization the people who are > going to do the work are going to go and get it done, occasionally > they need some motivation. Periodic meetings are great from that, but > I'd say that probably less than 10% of Ambassadors attend their > regional meetings, and reporting would likely have even less effect. -- Regards, Susmit. ============================================= ssh 0x86DD170A http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/user:susmit ============================================= From david at gnsa.us Tue Feb 17 15:43:55 2009 From: david at gnsa.us (David Nalley) Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 10:43:55 -0500 Subject: [Ambassadors] [Discussion] Reporting template for ambassadors. In-Reply-To: <928156be0902170711n44daeb15x5eff05472dd56a77@mail.gmail.com> References: <928156be0902170711n44daeb15x5eff05472dd56a77@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Tue, Feb 17, 2009 at 10:11 AM, Heherson Pagcaliwagan wrote: > How about a karma-like points system? Event owners get a set number of > points when they accomplished all the reporting requirements and then > they get to distribute another set of points on those who helped out. > Although I'm afraid it will just be a popularity contest but hey my > two cents is still two cents :D > To what end?? What does it benefit me to have 5000 points, or for someone else to have 5,000,0000? Would you have us kick people out that don't maintain a certain point level? Here is the problem that we are really trying to deal with: For better or worse we have a low barrier to entry in the Ambassadors. In many respects I think that's great, because it allows people to get involved easily. On the other hand we have these 'representatives' of Fedora who may have no prior experience with the project, perhaps even no real experience with the F/LOSS community in general. There are times (they generally follow the email threads that hit the ambassadors list every few months about including proprietary blobs in the kernel or patent encumbered media codecs in Fedora) when I think that the Ambassadors group should be something that existing contributors attain to - that after you have been known to the community and we know you will do the work that you are invited to become an ambassador and begin representing us. The rest of the time I think that the low barrier is a good thing, after all it's how I became involved with Fedora (though I had been involved with another OSS project prior to that) I was one of those 'hardly does anything' Ambassadors for a number of months at a time. I also was one of the people who once advocated for patent encumbered codecs to be included. From thinklinux.ssh at gmail.com Tue Feb 17 15:48:20 2009 From: thinklinux.ssh at gmail.com (susmit shannigrahi) Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 21:18:20 +0530 Subject: [Ambassadors] [Discussion] Reporting template for ambassadors. In-Reply-To: References: <928156be0902170711n44daeb15x5eff05472dd56a77@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: > I don't really like the idea of a points system for events. Neither do I. > I'm > currently attending college at Sam Houston State University which is > where I do majority of my ambassador work, trying to get my fellow > computer science students involved, get faculty involved, even working > towards getting the computer science department to fund some open > source development and the work I do won't exactly rank very high on a > points system because I'm not able to make it to thinks like fosdem > and fudcon due to financial limitations. How do you conclude that attending Events make contribution better than what you do? As an ambassador, I believe your work is great!!! My point is not having category system in Ambassadors. Point is to let the world know that ambassadors are reliable person, one can atleast have a proper information or pointer to informations from them. If someone is unable to do even that, (replying to mails, pointing to wiki or mailing lists) it will be better not to have them as ambassador. And this is just happening. > I also agree with inode0 in a big way. I work full time, I'm a full > time college student, I'm a fedora package maintainer, I'm a fedora > ambassador, and outside that I try to have some interaction with the > real world. Adding mandatory monthly reporting to my list in order to > prove or disprove contributions that I have or have not done will > honestly be discouraging and a big burden for my already lacking free > time. Monthly report was just a suggestion to get the conversation going. It is not that I insist on that only. If we get some other way which works, I am fine with that too.. -- Regards, Susmit. ============================================= ssh 0x86DD170A http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/user:susmit ============================================= Sent from: Calcutta Wb India. From inode0 at gmail.com Tue Feb 17 16:01:13 2009 From: inode0 at gmail.com (inode0) Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 10:01:13 -0600 Subject: [Famsco-list] Re: [Ambassadors] [Discussion] Reporting template for ambassadors. In-Reply-To: References: <35586fc00902152014q2c49d432m3f43c35060bb92e8@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Tue, Feb 17, 2009 at 9:35 AM, susmit shannigrahi wrote: >> To what end?? Are we going to kick out people who aren't performing up >> to some predefined amount of work?? >> I find it awfully difficult to justify adding yet more overhead to >> people who are already working (and most likely quite busy) > > > Suppose, someone is not any more interested contributing, neither they > plan to do it again in future. > > What we currently do is to keep their junk pages in the wiki. > People coming for help visits them, mails for help and get no reply. > > Should not we ping our ambassadors periodically and ensure they are > still contributing or atleast interested in contributing? If someone > is contributing, fine. If someone is not available for sometime, let > him/her reply back that he/she will be unavailable for a specific > period of time. This is exactly right. Here is an example of someone still listed as an ambassador but who claims to be a "former" ambassador on his wiki page linked from the ambassadors list. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/BobJensen I would assume he would be perfectly happy to be removed from the ambassador list. There are many examples of others who don't even provide the courtesy of saying they are no longer involved but rather just don't give any reply to attempts to contact them and give no other indication of their availability on the wiki. > Should not we ping our ambassadors periodically and ensure they are > still contributing or atleast interested in contributing? If someone > is contributing, fine. If someone is not available for sometime, let > him/her reply back that he/she will be unavailable for a specific > period of time. > > Someone may be busy for a certain period of time, but that does not > mean he/she can not reply back his/her unavailability. If someone does > not reply in a month, it is for sure that he/she is not interested any > more. > > What we can do is mail all the ambassadors asking if they are still > "alive", if someone does not reply in a couple of week, send him/her > another ping and even he/she does not reply in a month, remove > him/her. I think I can agree with this more easily. This sort of housecleaning could be done periodically and probably wouldn't need to be done that often. I would think once a year or one a release cycle would help matters a lot. > My suggestion is not to kick out people, for a start, identify those > who are dead for Fedora and remove them. I agree with this, they might well not be dead for Fedora. Bob who I singled out above is not at all dead for Fedora, but isn't interested in the ambassadors program any more as I understand him. John From jsimon at fedoraproject.org Tue Feb 17 16:18:54 2009 From: jsimon at fedoraproject.org (Joerg Simon) Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 17:18:54 +0100 Subject: [Ambassadors] [Discussion] Reporting template for ambassadors. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200902171719.02452.jsimon@fedoraproject.org> Am Dienstag 17 Februar 2009 15:51:50 schrieb inode0: > Can the FAmSCo membership folks suggest a good way to deal with this? > Thanks for bringing up one option we have Susmit. This is a festering > problem that is only going to get worse the longer we ignore it. I have not read all emails in this thread right now and posted similar intention to this topic to famsco-list before - all this reminds me to the famous active/inactive discussion we had ;) in 2007 We should notice that people like EvilBob and others, left Ambassadors because whe have no quality measures like the packagers, artwork, infra or docs where they have to proof commitment before they get sponsored. If you want that someone have to proof a real contribution before i can sponsor him, how should quality measures look like? A Ambassador should be noisy in his work, but we need to be carefull with judging the work of our not so noisy fellows, we should offer them our help in form of mentoring and leave them alone, if they do not want our help - as long as they make no harm to the project or the reputation of other Ambassadors. We have many glorious examples how valuable contribution within Ambassador Group can look like and i understand that all hard working Ambassadors are annoyed if they did not get help from Ambassadors around there regional Area. But what is our real goal? We should not waste our Power with hunting inactive Ambassadors, lets put this energy in better mentoring and better tools to increase our quality. CU Joerg -- Joerg (kital) Simon jsimon at fedoraproject.org http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/JoergSimon http://kitall.blogspot.com Key Fingerprint: 3691 0989 2DCA 58A2 8D1F 2CAC C823 558E 5B5B 5688 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 197 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part. URL: From david at gnsa.us Tue Feb 17 16:20:18 2009 From: david at gnsa.us (David Nalley) Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 11:20:18 -0500 Subject: [Famsco-list] Re: [Ambassadors] [Discussion] Reporting template for ambassadors. In-Reply-To: <200902171642.50762.jsimon@fedoraproject.org> References: <200902171642.50762.jsimon@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: On Tue, Feb 17, 2009 at 10:42 AM, Joerg Simon wrote: > This reminds me to the famous active inactive discussion we had ;) > April/msg00004.html> > Before we get too far down the road with this - perhaps we should all go back and read this thread - this isn't the first time this conversation has come up - and Joerg was smart enough to reference it. There are a ton of messages in this thread where we hotly debated the issue two years ago (I think this was the second time it had been brought up) The thread is worth reading. This always ends up alienating people. From nacross at gmail.com Tue Feb 17 16:26:44 2009 From: nacross at gmail.com (Neville A. Cross) Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 10:26:44 -0600 Subject: [Ambassadors] [Discussion] Reporting template for ambassadors. In-Reply-To: References: <928156be0902170711n44daeb15x5eff05472dd56a77@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Tue, Feb 17, 2009 at 9:48 AM, susmit shannigrahi wrote: > > Monthly report was just a suggestion to get the conversation going. It > is not that I insist on that only. If we get some other way which > works, I am fine with that too.. > > > -- > Regards, > Susmit. > I feel that if someone is too busy to report means that probably is overdoing his or her contribution to the project. Peak contributions are not sustainable on the long run. I am not advocate for monthly formal reports, but some sort of report may be good. I think that will be good to have a better system that helps purge "dead" people. The low barrier entry allows many people to be enlisted and it is good. The problem is that a lot of people get in, but there is no way out. If the person does not take care to tell his or her inactivity in the personal page, there is no other way to tell. Worst when the just go away without telling. Take the example of Central America, there are ambassadors listed for Guatemala, Honduras, El Salvador, Costa Rica and Panama for more than two months and they haven't created their page. I can tell because I checked for it when I joined free media program by the end of November 2008. There will be a Central American FOSS gathering coming on June 2009 and I can not contact them. At the end of the year we can show statistics of Ambassadors growing, but aren't real because there is no system to trim down the numbers. I feel that there is need to tackle the issue of "dead" people. Reports are good but, I may think of that as a suggestion more than a request. I don't mind low activity ambassadors. I have write a lot... my two cents... what others have to said? -- Neville https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Yn1v Linux User # 473217 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Check: http://www.clickmanagua.com - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - From thinklinux.ssh at gmail.com Tue Feb 17 16:33:43 2009 From: thinklinux.ssh at gmail.com (susmit shannigrahi) Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 22:03:43 +0530 Subject: [Ambassadors] [Discussion] Reporting template for ambassadors. In-Reply-To: References: <928156be0902170711n44daeb15x5eff05472dd56a77@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: > I feel that there is need to tackle the issue of "dead" people. > Reports are good but, I may think of that as a suggestion more than a > request. I don't mind low activity ambassadors. Exactly. I/we have no issues with low activity ambassadors, whatever little someone's contribution is, it is still worth counting. What matters is that we *must* get rid of our *dead* ambassadors first. I guess that will be a reasonable chunk. -- Regards, Susmit. ============================================= ssh 0x86DD170A http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/user:susmit ============================================= Sent from: Calcutta Wb India. From bochecha at fedoraproject.org Tue Feb 17 16:36:09 2009 From: bochecha at fedoraproject.org (Mathieu Bridon (bochecha)) Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 17:36:09 +0100 Subject: [Ambassadors] [Discussion] Reporting template for ambassadors. In-Reply-To: References: <928156be0902170711n44daeb15x5eff05472dd56a77@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <2d319b780902170836q35803a0fpc22bbf12a7c9aeef@mail.gmail.com> > Take the example of Central America, there are ambassadors listed for > Guatemala, Honduras, El Salvador, Costa Rica and Panama for more than > two months and they haven't created their page. I can tell because I > checked for it when I joined free media program by the end of November > 2008. There will be a Central American FOSS gathering coming on June > 2009 and I can not contact them. IIRC, when Joerg contacted mewhen I applied to be an Ambassador, one of the items of the list of things he asked me to do was to create a personal page with ways of contacting me. Isn't that list mandatory ? Can someone be validated as an Ambassador if he didn't complete all the steps ? ---------- Mathieu Bridon (bochecha) "They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety." ~Benjamin Franklin From herlo1 at gmail.com Tue Feb 17 17:11:39 2009 From: herlo1 at gmail.com (Clint Savage) Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 10:11:39 -0700 Subject: [Ambassadors] FAmNA meeting today - Meeting Schedule Verdict In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Tue, Feb 17, 2009 at 7:06 AM, inode0 wrote: > This is a reminder that we have our regularly scheduled meeting > tonight. As always you can find when the next meeting is scheduled on > the meeting page at > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/Meetings > > We will be making some decision about the time future meetings will > occur tonight. We have four options listed on the agenda currently. > Please add any other options you want to be considered prior to the > meeting.. > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Meeting:Ambassadors_2009-02-17 > > As Q4 draws to a close we should begin making concrete budget plans > for Q1 as well so if you have thoughts or needs related to Q1 budget > please come and let us know. > > Thanks, > John Well, It's unfortunate that I will not be able to attend this meeting. However, I've stated my preference of Thursdays at 9pm ET as the meeting time. Also, I put together the budget page for FAmNA, feel free to edit it to your hearts content in the meeting. It's available here: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/NA/Budget Clint PS - John, do I need to stop sending the reminders? :-P From maxamillion at gmail.com Tue Feb 17 17:33:49 2009 From: maxamillion at gmail.com (Adam Miller) Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 11:33:49 -0600 Subject: [Ambassadors] Presentation for SHSU Message-ID: I am giving a presentation tomorrow for the SHACS (Sam Houston Association for Computer Scientist) organization here at the University I attend. I updated the events wiki and have the upcoming event listed: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FedoraEvents#North_America_Q1 I am also working towards becoming a Campus Ambassador as that role more suites what I am already doing, but I would also like the be an ambassador otherwise as I would like to participate in events such as fosdem and fudcon in the future. Any feedback and/or questions are welcome. -Adam -- http://maxamillion.googlepages.com --------------------------------------------------------- () ascii ribbon campaign - against html e-mail /\ www.asciiribbon.org - against proprietary attachments From mspevack at redhat.com Tue Feb 17 17:36:32 2009 From: mspevack at redhat.com (Max Spevack) Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 18:36:32 +0100 (CET) Subject: [Famsco-list] Re: [Ambassadors] [Discussion] Reporting template for ambassadors. In-Reply-To: References: <35586fc00902152014q2c49d432m3f43c35060bb92e8@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: (Removing famsco-list from the Cc) On Tue, 17 Feb 2009, inode0 wrote: > There are many examples of others who don't even provide the courtesy > of saying they are no longer involved but rather just don't give any > reply to attempts to contact them and give no other indication of > their availability on the wiki. You have touched on the key distinction between Ambassadors and some of the other parts of the Fedora Project, which is that Ambassadors are a high-touch entry point to the community, where *personal interaction* is more common than just getting on a mailing list. You become a contributor after meeting someone at an event. You form a cluster of contributors who all are in the same region, or who are all in Fedora because another Ambassador recruited them. Look at all the people that Gerold and Joerg have recruited into the project, for example. ======= The CountryList page shouldn't just be a page. It should be a little web form where people give their location and get back a list of the Ambassadors who are closest to them. Then the potential contributor can talk with that Ambassador, learn more about Fedora, and be put into contact with the right other people who can help them be successful. Ambassadorship and mentorship are very similar, and Ambassadors are in some ways the "guidance counselors" of Fedora. They need to know enough about everything going on in the Project to speak intelligently and point someone in the right direction. So yeah, knowing who is active or dormant in the *AMBASSADORS CONTEXT* is an important thing. The distinction that John (inode) and Susmit make is a good one. ======= >> Someone may be busy for a certain period of time, but that does not >> mean he/she can not reply back his/her unavailability. If someone >> does not reply in a month, it is for sure that he/she is not >> interested any more. >> >> What we can do is mail all the ambassadors asking if they are still >> "alive", if someone does not reply in a couple of week, send him/her >> another ping and even he/she does not reply in a month, remove >> him/her. > > I think I can agree with this more easily. This sort of housecleaning > could be done periodically and probably wouldn't need to be done that > often. I would think once a year or one a release cycle would help > matters a lot. I think this is one useful action item, good for someone who enjoys policy and process. I think that making the CountryList page more interactive is another, and that is good for someone who wants to work with the Fedora Account System, or who wants to bribe one of the Websites/Infrastructure/FAS guys to help them out. --Max From mspevack at redhat.com Tue Feb 17 17:43:50 2009 From: mspevack at redhat.com (Max Spevack) Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 18:43:50 +0100 (CET) Subject: [Ambassadors] remember the mission Message-ID: When you put your Ambassadors hat on (as opposed to any of your other roles in Fedora), remember: (1) You give a face and a name to Fedora. You are a person, friendly and approachable. Fedora is big and scary, but you are going to help make sure that *one person* finds their way through all the confusion into the place where they can contribute. (2) You are the glue. You help connect different people in different parts of the Project, because you are always dealing with people whose interests are different. You should be eager and happy to work with other parts of Fedora to solve problems. (3) People are the key. Everything that we do -- events, budgets, swag, membership verifications, blogging -- it's all done as an attempt to make personal connections with folks who either want to use or contribute to Fedora. Places where Ambassadors get together are one of the few times that Fedora contributors have an opportunity to meet face to face (other than FUDCons and FADs). (4) You are the expert in your region. You understand the culture, the needs, and the best ways to communicate about Fedora and FOSS in your region. FAmSCo and other "leaders" in Fedora *work for you*, and need to listen to what you are saying makes sense. We can't ignore the global picture, but we need to be flexible in adapting to local needs. These are things I have been thinking about while reading ambassadors-list recently. --Max From sherry151 at gmail.com Tue Feb 17 17:45:44 2009 From: sherry151 at gmail.com (Rangeen Basu) Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 23:15:44 +0530 Subject: [Ambassadors] Re: [fedora-india] Help reequired for install fest in Kalyani Govt. Engineering College, West Bengal In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: This is regarding the install fest at KGEC on saturday. Please let me know if you are attending or not. I shall provide all the details tomorrow. https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FedoraEvents#Asia.2C_India.2C_Australia_Q4 https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FedoraEvents/KGEC_Install_Fest -- Rangeen Basu Roy Chowdhury sherry151 at gmail.com !!!Windows is "micro"-soft[ware]..I like bigger things!!! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bochecha at fedoraproject.org Tue Feb 17 17:49:40 2009 From: bochecha at fedoraproject.org (Mathieu Bridon (bochecha)) Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 18:49:40 +0100 Subject: [Famsco-list] Re: [Ambassadors] [Discussion] Reporting template for ambassadors. In-Reply-To: References: <35586fc00902152014q2c49d432m3f43c35060bb92e8@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <2d319b780902170949j606ebf7en2b1c3985a9b3fbd1@mail.gmail.com> > The CountryList page shouldn't just be a page. It should be a little web > form where people give their location and get back a list of the Ambassadors > who are closest to them. Then the potential contributor can talk with that > Ambassador, learn more about Fedora, and be put into contact with the right > other people who can help them be successful. [snip] > I think that making the CountryList page more interactive is another, and > that is good for someone who wants to work with the Fedora Account System, > or who wants to bribe one of the Websites/Infrastructure/FAS guys to help > them out. Couldn't it be a nice interactive map showing where our contributors are ? Like say, what I'm trying to build here: http://fedorahosted.org/shomyu ---------- Mathieu Bridon (bochecha) "They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety." ~Benjamin Franklin From mspevack at redhat.com Tue Feb 17 17:50:22 2009 From: mspevack at redhat.com (Max Spevack) Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 18:50:22 +0100 (CET) Subject: [Famsco-list] Re: [Ambassadors] [Discussion] Reporting template for ambassadors. In-Reply-To: References: <35586fc00902152014q2c49d432m3f43c35060bb92e8@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 17 Feb 2009, Max Spevack wrote: > I think this is one useful action item, good for someone who enjoys > policy and process. I don't mean to make it sound like that is decided -- I was just offering my opinion. > I think that making the CountryList page more interactive is another, > and that is good for someone who wants to work with the Fedora Account > System, or who wants to bribe one of the Websites/Infrastructure/FAS > guys to help them out. This, I think we should definitely do. And if this existed, it would make it crucial that the results returned are for people who *want* to get emails from potential newbies. === The risk of alienating someone only exists if a person is "removed" from their role as an Ambassador without being asked first. If a person is told "hey, you're an Ambassador, so if $FOO or $BAR happens, will you be eager to deal with it?" and the answer is "no" then it makes sense to say "well, then let's take you off the list of people who might be asked to do $FOO or $BAR until you want to be added back on to it." --Max From mspevack at redhat.com Tue Feb 17 17:56:38 2009 From: mspevack at redhat.com (Max Spevack) Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 18:56:38 +0100 (CET) Subject: [Famsco-list] Re: [Ambassadors] [Discussion] Reporting template for ambassadors. In-Reply-To: <2d319b780902170949j606ebf7en2b1c3985a9b3fbd1@mail.gmail.com> References: <35586fc00902152014q2c49d432m3f43c35060bb92e8@mail.gmail.com> <2d319b780902170949j606ebf7en2b1c3985a9b3fbd1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 17 Feb 2009, Mathieu Bridon (bochecha) wrote: > Couldn't it be a nice interactive map showing where our contributors > are ? > > Like say, what I'm trying to build here: > http://fedorahosted.org/shomyu Yes, yes it could! Good work! Is there anyone else helping you? Don't you eventually need to get data out of the FAS for this to really work? --Max From jsimon at fedoraproject.org Tue Feb 17 17:56:45 2009 From: jsimon at fedoraproject.org (Joerg Simon) Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 18:56:45 +0100 Subject: [Famsco-list] Re: [Ambassadors] [Discussion] Reporting template for ambassadors. In-Reply-To: <2d319b780902170949j606ebf7en2b1c3985a9b3fbd1@mail.gmail.com> References: <2d319b780902170949j606ebf7en2b1c3985a9b3fbd1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200902171856.49186.jsimon@fedoraproject.org> Am Dienstag 17 Februar 2009 18:49:40 schrieb Mathieu Bridon (bochecha): > Couldn't it be a nice interactive map showing where our contributors are ? > > Like say, what I'm trying to build here: http://fedorahosted.org/shomyu Rahul started a Frappr Map years ago - did not know if this is still maintained? -- Joerg (kital) Simon jsimon at fedoraproject.org http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/JoergSimon http://kitall.blogspot.com Key Fingerprint: 3691 0989 2DCA 58A2 8D1F 2CAC C823 558E 5B5B 5688 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 197 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part. 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I think each of us has his own background and we use to work in different way, so I think, in order to simplify the work, we have to let people be free to use or not a "possible" template. Then, if someone will need a scheme/template to report his/her activity he/she could use the template and the other one could be able to continue using M-L, blog posts and so on. I'm sure this could be a really interesting way to face different demands, isn't it? Regards Francesco Ugolini From gerold at lugd.org Tue Feb 17 21:28:23 2009 From: gerold at lugd.org (Gerold Kassube) Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 22:28:23 +0100 Subject: [Ambassadors] REMINDER ==> FRT: Fedora Stammtisch / Fedora Round Table Message-ID: <1234906103.3400.63.camel@F10Lap1.homenet.local> ** english translation below ** Hallo allerseits, nur noch wenige Tage bis zum ersten "Fedora Stammtisch" in Karlsruhe. nachfolgend nochmals die wichtigsten Daten: am: 28. Februar 2009 um: 16:00 h im: Der kleine Vogel http://www.vogelbraeu.de/karlsruhe/2_1_1.html Sinn und Zweck des FRT soll es sein, lokale Gruppen zu f?rdern, zu unterst?tzen und selbst ins Gespr?ch zu kommen. Dieser FRT wird regelm??ig alle ZWEI MONATE im s?ddeutschen Raum (KA, S, FR) durchgef?hrt und soll ein 1/2 bis 3/4 Tag sein. Gruss Gerold BTW.: Wir haben schon bereits mehr als 20 best?tigte Anmeldungen; darunter auch Fedora Prominenz .... https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FedoraEvents/FRT + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + Hi there, not many days left, untill the first "Fedora Round Table" starts ... please find below the important dates for your attention at: 2008-02-28 time: 16:00 local time where: "Der kleine Vogel" http://www.vogelbraeu.de/karlsruhe/2_1_1.html Target audience and goal of the FRT should be, that we want to support local groups, come together, get in touch and also to meet each other in person. We want to establish the FRT in a TWO MONTH periodical meeting in the south of Germany around KA, S, FR; a meeting for 1/2 or 3/4 day and opened for everyone. btw.: We have more than 20 confirmed registrations, also with Fedora VIP, check out at https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FedoraEvents/FRT C U soon in Karlsruhe Regards Gerold -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 197 bytes Desc: Dies ist ein digital signierter Nachrichtenteil URL: From inode0 at gmail.com Wed Feb 18 00:31:53 2009 From: inode0 at gmail.com (inode0) Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 18:31:53 -0600 Subject: [Ambassadors] [Discussion] Reporting template for ambassadors. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Tue, Feb 17, 2009 at 3:15 PM, Francesco Ugolini wrote: > On Tue, Feb 17, 2009 at 3:51 PM, inode0 wrote: >> Can the FAmSCo membership folks suggest a good way to deal with this? > > Absolutely, I've just wrote about this and I receive an answer that > helped me figuring out how the discussion is evolving. > > I think a template is a good thing if someone needs it. From my POV I > could say that if someone volunteer to create this one, he/she will be > welcomed, BTW, I'm sure everyone should be free to use it or no. Why? > > I think each of us has his own background and we use to work in > different way, so I think, in order to simplify the work, we have to > let people be free to use or not a "possible" template. Then, if > someone will need a scheme/template to report his/her activity he/she > could use the template and the other one could be able to continue > using M-L, blog posts and so on. > > I'm sure this could be a really interesting way to face different > demands, isn't it? Oh, yes, as a voluntary model for activity reporting this would be fine. My question, which wasn't clear enough, was about how to deal with ambassadors listed on our wiki who won't even respond to other ambassadors who contact them? It seems quite a few of us view this as a problem that can only get worse and it is important that when someone seeks out an ambassador for help or guidance on the wiki that they find someone willing and eager to provide assistance. While I know you have worked on similar questions in the past it might be time to revisit those in this one confined area. Without necessarily considering ambassador group membership, can we find a way to make the wiki's list of ambassadors a more useful and effective way for the public and Fedora community members to contact ambassadors for whatever reason? Some great ideas are popping up about this now. John From inode0 at gmail.com Wed Feb 18 04:51:39 2009 From: inode0 at gmail.com (inode0) Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 22:51:39 -0600 Subject: [Ambassadors] FAmNA Meeting Summary from 2009-02-17 Message-ID: * Announcements - SCaLE/FAD is this weekend in Los Angeles. Will announce on f-a-l if there are any developments on remote participation. * Meeting Schedule Beginning in March and Continuing Through Q1 - After discussing several options for the when to meet in the next quarter the following was agreed to: 1st Thursday and 3rd Tuesday at the current time (9pm in the east and 6pm in the west, 02:00 UTC the morning of the following day). So the schedule for now will be to meet on the following evenings: Thursday March 5 Tuesday March 17 Thursday April 2 Tuesday April 21 Thursday May 7 Tuesday May 19 We hope this will allow some new ambassadors to participate in the meetings as we continue to develop the Ambassador program in North America. It was also agreed that should anyone feel the need exists we will call additional meetings as necessary. * Budget Review [https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/NA/Budget] - Q4 is at an end, very productive quarter for NA. - Q1 budget development needs to be done now. * Tasks [https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/NA/Tasks] - No report * Open Floor - KarlieRobinson reported about some events planned in her area. - inode0 discussed creating a Fedora presence at the Red Hat Summit. - djf_jeff/mdomsch coordinated some details for getting started with the Montreal Linux Symposium. I would again like to thank all the participants, especially the new ambassadors joining us for the first time tonight. From inode0 at gmail.com Wed Feb 18 04:52:47 2009 From: inode0 at gmail.com (inode0) Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 22:52:47 -0600 Subject: [Ambassadors] FAmNA Meeting Minutes from 2009-02-17 Message-ID: (08:00:02 PM) inode0: FAmNA Meeting - Roll Call (08:00:17 PM) ***lcafiero is Larry Cafiero, packed and ready to go to SCaLE (08:00:31 PM) ***laubersm is Susan Lauber (08:00:49 PM) DemonJester: .fas DemonJester (08:00:50 PM) zodbot: DemonJester: bpowell01 'Brian Powell' (08:00:58 PM) djf_jeff: .fas jfsaucier (08:00:58 PM) zodbot: djf_jeff: jfsaucier 'Jean-Francois Saucier' (08:01:50 PM) inode0: welcome laubersm (08:02:15 PM) inode0: KarlieRobinson: are you here for the FAmNA meeting? (08:02:24 PM) KarlieRobinson: Yep, just getting here (08:02:30 PM) inode0: excellent (08:03:15 PM) inode0: We have two main objectives tonight - Meeting Schedule & Budget (08:03:34 PM) inode0: Are there any announcements before we hit those (08:03:49 PM) lcafiero: SCaLE is this weekend in Los Angeles (08:04:13 PM) inode0: quick question about that (08:04:18 PM) lcafiero: okay (08:04:35 PM) inode0: there was talk of remote participation, is anything set in that dept? (08:05:32 PM) lcafiero: There was talk, but I don't know where it stands. quaid may know more, but I know for the Fedora Ambassador Day, we were going to try to set up something where folks could participate remotely. (08:06:13 PM) inode0: let's be sure to get something out to the list if that develops, I'd love to if it is possible (08:06:26 PM) lcafiero: FAD = Friday, all day, 9 a.m. to 6 p.m. PST. (08:06:26 PM) lcafiero: Fedora Activity Day, sorry. (08:06:26 PM) lcafiero: I'll have to put that info on the mailing list, right. (08:07:04 PM) inode0: I think that would be good so people can drop in if they can (08:07:23 PM) djf_jeff: pst is gmt -8 iirc? (08:07:34 PM) inode0: yes I think (08:07:37 PM) lcafiero: right -- quaid was working on getting some of the hardware needed, but I don't know where we stand on that. (08:07:47 PM) lcafiero: djf_jeff, oui (08:08:09 PM) inode0: shall we move to scheduling? (08:08:21 PM) lcafiero: yes (and I'll be right back) (08:08:32 PM) inode0: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Meeting:Ambassadors_2009-02-17 (08:09:01 PM) inode0: has some options that have been discussed, although the Tue/Thu one we might suggest switching the days around on (08:09:46 PM) inode0: I guess what I want to do is consider each, then go through and take a straw poll (08:09:51 PM) KarlieRobinson: all I can tell you is that 9EDT is a killer for a certified morning person (08:10:19 PM) inode0: yeah, I understand (08:10:37 PM) inode0: but in the evening going any earlier is a killer for west coast folks (08:10:58 PM) KarlieRobinson: I know (08:11:10 PM) KarlieRobinson: the good thing is you don't have to schedule around me (08:11:31 PM) inode0: I suggested a weekend around mid-day but that didn't seem to excite people (08:11:53 PM) KarlieRobinson: Yeah, that could be worse (08:12:16 PM) KarlieRobinson: I'm not a big fan of Thursday because all the Linux groups in Rochester meet on Thursday (08:12:21 PM) inode0: my hope was to make it possible for people not in NA to attend from time to time, there has been expressed interest (08:12:55 PM) KarlieRobinson: Is it possible to alternate the time (08:12:58 PM) KarlieRobinson: ? (08:13:09 PM) inode0: let's start by stating whether either Tue or Thu just makes it impossible for you (08:13:33 PM) inode0: yes, I was thinking once about one Tue evening which works well for most and one other day around mid-day (08:13:58 PM) inode0: I'm open to meeting at different times and days (08:14:08 PM) laubersm: Tue is better for me than Thu. (08:14:29 PM) laubersm: Late night 2x/month is doable (08:14:40 PM) inode0: herlo isn't present tonight but for the next few months Tue is impossible for him (08:15:00 PM) inode0: djf_jeff: is Thu still impossible for you? (08:15:19 PM) djf_jeff: everything "normal" for GMT -5 is good for me except Thu (08:15:36 PM) djf_jeff: but I understand the need to make meeting available to more people (08:15:59 PM) inode0: and we have one ambassador who wants to come who has never been able to on Tue but Thu would work for (08:16:20 PM) inode0: so neither day is perfect for everyone, changing days can be confusing (08:16:33 PM) laubersm: are we still talking 1st and 3rd weeks? (08:16:38 PM) djf_jeff: Thu would work for me if it's before 19:00 GMT -5 (08:16:41 PM) inode0: I'm willing to accept confusing if we get more people involved (08:16:57 PM) KarlieRobinson: the Marketing meeting use to alternate between 10am gmt-5 and an afternoon every other week (08:16:58 PM) inode0: laubersm: I'd like to stay with twice a month (08:17:23 PM) inode0: others have expressed to me an interest in going back to weekly (08:17:50 PM) inode0: weekly makes alternating days more difficult and promotes burnout imo (08:18:05 PM) laubersm: LUG here is 2nd thursday (and I almost always have other things that week) but others are not as busy (08:18:41 PM) ***DemonJester likes the bi-weekly unless event require otherwise (08:18:44 PM) inode0: does anything think it would be really bad if some people only could meet once a month? (08:19:10 PM) inode0: we would meet twice but with slightly different casts of characters (08:19:17 PM) KarlieRobinson: That would be more in-line with other clubs/orgs we're all involved with (08:19:17 PM) djf_jeff: inode0: do you think herlo would like to keep the current time on Thu or make it a little sooner? (08:19:41 PM) inode0: I don't think anyone wants to move the time if it is in the evening (08:19:44 PM) laubersm: inode: works for me (08:19:52 PM) DemonJester: are they currently participating in meetings now? if not then no, if so then maybe (08:19:55 PM) inode0: going earlier makes the west coast people not home from work (08:20:31 PM) inode0: four time zones to deal with makes the evening tough (08:21:04 PM) inode0: ok, I'll give you my current preference (08:21:08 PM) djf_jeff: I don't really mind testing Tue and Thu for a few weeks, but if nobody show up on Thu, I would like it to come back to Tue (08:21:29 PM) inode0: 1st Thu and 3rd Tue plus we can always call additional meetings as needed (08:22:18 PM) inode0: that opens the door for both herlo and LinuxKnight to attend once a month (08:23:04 PM) inode0: seems most here are happy with twice a month as the routine arrangement (08:23:19 PM) DemonJester: LinuxKnight = West Coast? (08:23:23 PM) inode0: let's do some voting (08:23:25 PM) inode0: yes, he is (08:23:44 PM) inode0: but all of Tue is impossible for him (08:24:00 PM) DemonJester: Yeah I remember.. (08:24:19 PM) inode0: does anyone even want to vote on weekly options? (08:24:27 PM) ***inode0 watches for +1 -1 (08:24:33 PM) DemonJester: -1 (08:24:35 PM) laubersm: -1 weekly (08:24:37 PM) djf_jeff: -1 (08:24:45 PM) inode0: -1 (08:24:51 PM) KarlieRobinson: -1 (08:25:10 PM) inode0: ok, let's look at the others (08:25:39 PM) inode0: alternating Thu and Tue twice a month? (08:25:46 PM) KarlieRobinson: +1 (08:25:47 PM) DemonJester: +1 (08:25:58 PM) djf_jeff: +1 (08:26:04 PM) inode0: +1 (08:26:09 PM) laubersm: +1 (08:26:30 PM) inode0: Tue twice a month? (08:26:41 PM) DemonJester: +1 as well (08:27:09 PM) djf_jeff: +1 as well (08:27:14 PM) laubersm: +1 as well (08:27:15 PM) KarlieRobinson: I'm good for anything other than weekly so +1 (08:27:36 PM) inode0: -1 to promote including some who haven't been able to participate (08:28:28 PM) inode0: shall we agree to give this Q1 to run and see if it works (08:28:41 PM) djf_jeff: +1 (08:28:41 PM) ***DemonJester assumed herlo and ke4qqq had a vote as well (08:29:02 PM) inode0: I'll send out reminders leading up to meetings since there will be some confusion (08:29:15 PM) ***DemonJester thanks inode0 :) (08:29:17 PM) inode0: It is an open meeting, they are free to vote :) (08:29:39 PM) inode0: actually, herlo wants the Thu/Tue option but prefers weekly (08:29:41 PM) laubersm: +1 but email reminders more than 24 hours in advance will be helpful with alt days.... (08:30:12 PM) inode0: laubersm: yes, I'll try for 2 or 3 days in advance and another maybe on the day of the meeting (08:30:31 PM) ***laubersm got a few lines behind :) (08:30:47 PM) inode0: ke4qqq did not tell me his position so I can't proxy for him (08:30:55 PM) djf_jeff: so just to be sure, 1st Thu and 3rd Tue for Q1? (08:31:15 PM) inode0: correct, both days at the current time (sorry it isn't perfect) (08:31:25 PM) KarlieRobinson: +1 (08:32:01 PM) inode0: and if someone feels we need to squeeze in another meeting we can always do that (08:32:31 PM) djf_jeff: yeah, and there is always the ambassadors channel (08:32:38 PM) inode0: any other discussion about this? I'm happy with the level of agreement (08:33:15 PM) inode0: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/NA/Budget#Q1_2010_Budget_.28March_2009_-_May_2009.29 (08:33:26 PM) inode0: Budget, Q4 is basically over today (08:33:38 PM) inode0: At least we can't spend any more Q4 funds (08:34:18 PM) inode0: although I believe in addition to the 2500 buttons I ordered this morning we are getting around 3000 case badges produced from Q4 (08:34:51 PM) inode0: some items, notably SCaLE/FAD are slipping into Q1 (08:35:32 PM) inode0: we did purchase a second Event Box in Q4 but need to provision it with banners and such before it goes into service (08:36:28 PM) inode0: Q1 is expected to be funded a bit less than Q4 was, we expect 7000 - 8000 to be allocated to us but that isn't final yet (08:37:01 PM) inode0: Q4 had major media expenses that Q1 won't have, Q1 will have lots more events to fund (08:37:38 PM) inode0: all ambassadors are encouraged to consider our budget and make suggestions/changes to the budget page on the wiki (08:38:05 PM) inode0: if you identify a need that we should be funding that we aren't you need to tell us! (08:38:07 PM) ***kuei hi how are you (08:38:26 PM) inode0: kuei: are you here for the FAmNA meeting? (08:38:50 PM) ***kuei what is the FAMNA meeting? (08:39:29 PM) inode0: this channel is for meetings, the meeting of Fedora Ambassadors from North America is the current meeting (08:39:30 PM) ***kuei I guess I am not, I am just test the channel for my thursday meeing? (08:39:51 PM) inode0: ok, back to the meeting :) (08:39:57 PM) inode0: nice to meet you kuei (08:40:34 PM) kuei: Thank you, I wish you a good evening! (08:40:43 PM) inode0: other thoughts from anyone regarding the budget? how Q4 went? anything we need for Q1? (08:41:09 PM) KarlieRobinson: I got nothing (08:41:12 PM) ***kuei quit (08:41:20 PM) inode0: The Q1 stuff is just a first thought from herlo, it will be changed quite a bit in the coming days (08:41:40 PM) KarlieRobinson: I am working on a few events in NYS for the spring, but most will be spur of the moment, Fedora/OLPC SIG type stuff (08:41:43 PM) inode0: and we'll find out what our budget is soon as well (08:41:51 PM) DemonJester: KarlieRobinson: are you just speaking at the RochBarCamp? (08:42:00 PM) inode0: KarlieRobinson: have you requested an ambassador kit? (08:42:08 PM) KarlieRobinson: Yes, and there's an EdTechDay at Ithaca College (08:42:13 PM) inode0: we have those ready to deliver (08:42:19 PM) KarlieRobinson: No I haven't I was just going to pop over (08:42:32 PM) KarlieRobinson: I can make my own discs and such (08:43:12 PM) inode0: so everyone knows they can request ambassador kits from FAmNA - sort of a small kit of swag to have handy for short notice events (08:43:38 PM) inode0: we also have plenty of pressed F10 media (08:44:00 PM) DemonJester: KarlieRobinson: would a booth be beneficial at RochBarCamp? (08:44:03 PM) inode0: so don't be bashful about asking for some to use at any events large or small (08:44:27 PM) KarlieRobinson: DemonJester: The last time I went it was in and out of class rooms, so a booth wouldn't work well (08:44:50 PM) KarlieRobinson: I may ask for some stickers and such, but I'll probably make Sugar Spins to take to complement the OLPC SIG info (08:44:56 PM) DemonJester: KarlieRobinson: thats what I was looking for. I am thinking of attended regardless (08:45:08 PM) inode0: barcamps should be added to the event page if you know about them in advance, we might be able to give some funding to those (08:45:28 PM) KarlieRobinson: There are about 50 people so far but like all barcamps could change day of (08:45:53 PM) KarlieRobinson: this event has been added (08:46:10 PM) KarlieRobinson: EdTech at Ithaca College is still unknown so I haven't added it (08:46:14 PM) inode0: if we are done with the budget recap, let's just go to open floor and discuss events or other topics that you have on your mind now ... (08:46:51 PM) inode0: I don't want to cut off this conversation though (08:47:21 PM) inode0: I have one small thing to raise (08:47:28 PM) KarlieRobinson: NP - I do have to call about edtech again tomorrow but you can check their site at http://www.ithaca.edu/edtechday/ in case you're curious about it (08:47:47 PM) inode0: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Red_Hat_Summit_2009 (08:48:22 PM) inode0: I am intent on changing the first thing on that page - we should definitely have a booth at the Summit (08:49:00 PM) inode0: I will be contacting people right after this meeting about arranging that (08:49:00 PM) djf_jeff: yeah, that's what I was thinking (08:49:09 PM) DemonJester: no booth?? they are kidding right? (08:49:50 PM) inode0: well, I'll follow-up, but I plan to make sure there is a booth (08:50:24 PM) DemonJester: I will help out with it. (08:50:26 PM) inode0: get it confirmed and change that page to advertise our presence (08:50:50 PM) inode0: ok, great, I'm sure others will help out too (08:51:33 PM) inode0: Even though it won't be a FUDcon this year, we can do a FAD if there is interest and FAmNA can allocate resources as it wants to the event (08:51:54 PM) DemonJester: +1 (08:52:05 PM) inode0: RHEL customers have an obvious self-interest in Fedora, very natural place for us to have a strong presence (08:52:29 PM) DemonJester: agreed (08:52:48 PM) inode0: that is all I had on that (08:52:50 PM) herlo has changed the topic to: Fedora Ambassadors North America (FAmNA) Meeting (08:52:53 PM) ***herlo is not here (08:53:08 PM) inode0: we noticed you are not here (08:53:17 PM) herlo: shhhh (08:53:42 PM) inode0: any MLS news djf_jeff? (08:54:07 PM) djf_jeff: not for the moment, I think in the background what I would like to do there (08:54:19 PM) djf_jeff: do you have any news if there will be a bus from Boston? (08:54:44 PM) inode0: no, someone will need to touch base with the contact mdomsch has (08:55:00 PM) inode0: and that someone is named djf_jeff :) (08:55:08 PM) mdomsch: inode0, good evening (08:55:16 PM) inode0: mdomsch: hey (08:55:32 PM) mdomsch: djf_jeff, contact for Linux Symposium Montreal is Andrew J. Hutton (08:55:38 PM) inode0: we have an ambassador to handle something for the linux symposium now (08:55:40 PM) mdomsch: and he's looking forward to hearing from you soon (08:55:43 PM) djf_jeff: inode0: good! I will check with him (08:55:48 PM) djf_jeff: mdomsch: hi! (08:56:38 PM) djf_jeff: good I will take care of that before the end of the week (08:56:46 PM) djf_jeff: I will keep you informed (08:56:47 PM) mdomsch: djf_jeff, thank you much (08:57:01 PM) inode0: so I'd suggest finding out what is available to us, how many folks are expected, whether we want a booth, etc. (08:57:06 PM) mdomsch: ajh is trying to finish up space planning for the conference center (08:57:13 PM) mdomsch: no booth (08:57:27 PM) mdomsch: (there's no expo or booth space) (08:57:27 PM) inode0: nix the booth (08:58:05 PM) inode0: but we can basically have a room? (08:59:23 PM) inode0: well, find out what you can about logistics and we'll help however we can with resources (08:59:42 PM) djf_jeff: if we setup a bus from Boston, how many people do you expect to come? (09:00:13 PM) inode0: I don't think we can do that, but they suggested they might be doing it (09:00:43 PM) inode0: I really don't have any idea about how many people might come at this time (09:01:13 PM) KarlieRobinson: yawn... Bed time for me guys kanarip KarlieRobinson (09:01:22 PM) inode0: night KarlieRobinson, thanks for coming (09:01:24 PM) djf_jeff: ok good, I will get in touch with him and see what come from there (09:01:31 PM) DemonJester: good night KarlieRobinson (09:01:33 PM) djf_jeff: good night KarlieRobinson (09:01:36 PM) KarlieRobinson: good nigh everyone (09:01:46 PM) KarlieRobinson: :-* (09:02:34 PM) inode0: anything else? (09:02:44 PM) ***DemonJester has nothing (09:03:06 PM) ***laubersm is falling asleep (09:03:08 PM) djf_jeff: not from my part (09:03:23 PM) inode0: ok, let's wrap until the 1st Thursday in March (09:03:26 PM) inode0: 5 (09:03:28 PM) inode0: 4 (09:03:29 PM) yn1v: I have a question, but is not jus FamNa (09:03:41 PM) inode0: is it for FAmNA at all? (09:03:54 PM) yn1v: I wonder about the freemedia (09:04:03 PM) yn1v: it is not open for frebruary (09:04:05 PM) inode0: ok, we will pause for this (09:04:24 PM) inode0: it normally is only open at the very beginning of the month (09:04:57 PM) yn1v: yeap, and haven't opened (09:05:03 PM) inode0: we can't process requests continuously, so it opens at the beginning, we get overwhelmed with requests, and close it while we get those out (09:05:14 PM) yn1v: I am member of the freemedia and was expecting to send some DVD (09:06:03 PM) inode0: checking (09:06:31 PM) inode0: you are right, I'm not sure what happened (09:07:11 PM) yn1v: there was a work for automating freemedia, but the form never open on february (09:07:27 PM) inode0: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ScottHarvanek not runs the program, so perhaps we should ping him? (09:07:59 PM) inode0: now runs (09:08:01 PM) jds2001: maybe just a newbie oversight (09:08:13 PM) jds2001: god knows i've had a ton of those with FESCo :) (09:08:18 PM) inode0: well, they are working on the new TRAC system (09:08:46 PM) yn1v: I did some testing for the TRAC (09:09:29 PM) inode0: but while we are interesting and many of us are freemedia contributors too, let me close this meeting and we can continue (09:09:39 PM) inode0: 5 (09:09:40 PM) inode0: 4 (09:09:42 PM) inode0: 3 (09:09:43 PM) inode0: 2 (09:09:46 PM) inode0: 1 (09:09:53 PM) inode0: Thank you everyone for coming tonight (09:09:55 PM) inode0: EOF From kwade at redhat.com Wed Feb 18 06:17:59 2009 From: kwade at redhat.com (Karsten Wade) Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 22:17:59 -0800 Subject: [Ambassadors] Remote FAD'ing Message-ID: <20090218061759.GG4287@calliope.phig.org> Our goal this coming Friday is to be connected to a Fedora Talk conference room throughout the Activity Day. In addition to IRC, this will facilitate communication with people involved in the User Guide, font packaging, or OLPC/Sugar related to the activity day goals. sip:2008 at talk.fedoraproject.org You can set your VoIP password via your Fedora account, and read up on the talk service: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/accounts/asterisk/ http://talk.fedoraproject.org/ For example, if you cannot get a softphone or hardphone VoIP client to work, you can use a dial-in number instead. According to the schedule[1], we'll work to keep a conference line open during these times PST (UTC): 10 am (1800 UTC) to 6 pm (0200 UTC) There is a lunch in there, but ideally we'll be ordering take-out. There is a dinner on the schedule, but we also have BoF in the same room starting at 7 pm PST, so it's probable that dinner will also be a take out affair or conducted late (after 8 pm.) Talk with you then, - Karsten [1] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_Activity_Day_at_SCaLE_7x#Schedule -- Karsten 'quaid' Wade, Community Gardener http://quaid.fedorapeople.org AD0E0C41 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available URL: From bochecha at fedoraproject.org Wed Feb 18 07:58:50 2009 From: bochecha at fedoraproject.org (Mathieu Bridon (bochecha)) Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2009 08:58:50 +0100 Subject: [Famsco-list] Re: [Ambassadors] [Discussion] Reporting template for ambassadors. In-Reply-To: References: <35586fc00902152014q2c49d432m3f43c35060bb92e8@mail.gmail.com> <2d319b780902170949j606ebf7en2b1c3985a9b3fbd1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <2d319b780902172358i3e820900xab276398142b172a@mail.gmail.com> On Tue, Feb 17, 2009 at 6:56 PM, Max Spevack wrote: > On Tue, 17 Feb 2009, Mathieu Bridon (bochecha) wrote: > >> Couldn't it be a nice interactive map showing where our contributors are ? >> >> Like say, what I'm trying to build here: http://fedorahosted.org/shomyu > > Yes, yes it could! Good work! Is there anyone else helping you? Don't you > eventually need to get data out of the FAS for this to really work? Nope, I'm alone ATM (but would accept any help as I have very few time to hack on it, see the frequency of commits to the git repository :( ) For the FAS stuff, well, right now I'm trying to have shomyu actually work properly :) Once it is suitable, if we want to use it the Fedora Infrastructure, then yes, it'll need to use the FAS bindings (guess why I developed it in python ? ;) In the future, I'd love to see it integrated in our MyFedora project (for contributors to locate themselves), as well as in a public page for (people to consult). But once again, it is in an early development stage, and help is very welcome :) ---------- Mathieu Bridon (bochecha) "They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety." ~Benjamin Franklin From bochecha at fedoraproject.org Wed Feb 18 08:01:05 2009 From: bochecha at fedoraproject.org (Mathieu Bridon (bochecha)) Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2009 09:01:05 +0100 Subject: [Famsco-list] Re: [Ambassadors] [Discussion] Reporting template for ambassadors. In-Reply-To: <200902171856.49186.jsimon@fedoraproject.org> References: <2d319b780902170949j606ebf7en2b1c3985a9b3fbd1@mail.gmail.com> <200902171856.49186.jsimon@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <2d319b780902180001n4d0c0d78n4c124048612a1c2c@mail.gmail.com> 2009/2/17 Joerg Simon : > Am Dienstag 17 Februar 2009 18:49:40 schrieb Mathieu Bridon (bochecha): >> Couldn't it be a nice interactive map showing where our contributors are ? >> >> Like say, what I'm trying to build here: http://fedorahosted.org/shomyu > > Rahul started a Frappr Map years ago - did not know if this is still > maintained? Frappr is: 1. a non free (as in free speech) service 2. a service where _your_ data are not stored in _your_ infrastructure (guess how they can provide for free as in free beer ?) 3. using a non-free technology, flash (and it doesn't even work with the free flash players available in fedora) Can we really even think about using it for promoting and developing free software ? ---------- Mathieu Bridon (bochecha) "They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety." ~Benjamin Franklin From jsimon at fedoraproject.org Wed Feb 18 08:18:52 2009 From: jsimon at fedoraproject.org (Joerg Simon) Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2009 09:18:52 +0100 Subject: [Famsco-list] Re: [Ambassadors] [Discussion] Reporting template for ambassadors. In-Reply-To: <2d319b780902180001n4d0c0d78n4c124048612a1c2c@mail.gmail.com> References: <200902171856.49186.jsimon@fedoraproject.org> <2d319b780902180001n4d0c0d78n4c124048612a1c2c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200902180918.55591.jsimon@fedoraproject.org> Am Mittwoch 18 Februar 2009 09:01:05 schrieb Mathieu Bridon (bochecha): > > Rahul started a Frappr Map years ago - did not know if this is still > > maintained? > > Frappr is: > 1. a non free (as in free speech) service > 2. a service where _your_ data are not stored in _your_ infrastructure > (guess how they can provide for free as in free beer ?) > 3. using a non-free technology, flash (and it doesn't even work with > the free flash players available in fedora) > > Can we really even think about using it for promoting and developing > free software ? maybe that's the reason why it is dead ;) cu Joerg -- Joerg (kital) Simon jsimon at fedoraproject.org http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/JoergSimon http://kitall.blogspot.com Key Fingerprint: 3691 0989 2DCA 58A2 8D1F 2CAC C823 558E 5B5B 5688 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Durgapur: a) Intercity Express (7:20 AM in Durgapur, arrives Naihati at 10:00 AM. You will have to catch "Kalyani Simanta Local" - 10:22 AM from platform 3 and Reach "Kalyani Ghosh Para" (20 min). There will be Richshaw (Rs. 10-15) and VAN (Rs. 5) availiable from station to KGEC Campus). b) Train Route: Durgapur - Bardhaman - Bandel - Naihati - Kalyani main - Kalyani Ghosh Para. c) Bus Route: Catch a BUS from "Citi Centre" (time - 5:15 AM) to Kalyani. Bus Stop: Kalyani Ghosh Para - ITI More. 2. Kolkata: a) Catch "Kalyani Simanta Local" from Sealdah and Reach "Kalyani Ghosh Para" Station (Rs. 12). Duration: 1:30 to 2 hrs. There will be Richshaw (Rs. 10-15) and VAN (Rs. 5) availiable from station to KGEC Campus. b) There are bus service availiable from Esplanade (Kalyani Express). Bus Stop: Kalyani Ghosh Para - ITI More. c) There are many locals availiable from Sealdah to "Kalyani main" like Ranaghat local, Khrishnanagar local, Gede local, Shantipur local. You will have to reach "Kalyani main" and catch an auto (Rs. 5) "ITI More - Kalyani ghosh para". Then you can catch a Richshaw (Rs. 10-15) and VAN (Rs. 5) availiable from ITI-More to KGEC Campus). Kalyani Simanta Time table from Sealdah: 4:12 AM, 5:35 AM, 6:30 AM, 7:25 AM, 8:30 AM, 9:20 AM, 11:20 AM, 12:25 PM, 2:40 PM, 3:25 PM, 4:50 PM, 6:12 PM, 7:10 PM, 8:10, PM, 10:05 PM. for trains to "Kalyani main" there are many. Request: If possibe, arrange for few "Fedora Electronics Lab" DVD's. Electronics students are very interested. Many Many thanks for your initiative and approval. -- Rohit Gupta. Event Co-ordinator KGEC -- Rangeen Basu Roy Chowdhury sherry151 at gmail.com !!!Windows is "micro"-soft[ware]..I like bigger things!!! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From luca at foppiano.org Wed Feb 18 10:05:43 2009 From: luca at foppiano.org (Luca Foppiano) Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2009 11:05:43 +0100 Subject: [Ambassadors] Max's FOSDEM trip report In-Reply-To: <50baabb30902131731n321c9120s6bc5a46862d1d7f@mail.gmail.com> References: <50baabb30902131731n321c9120s6bc5a46862d1d7f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1234951543.22394.73.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Sat, 2009-02-14 at 02:31 +0100, Chitlesh GOORAH wrote: > Hello everyone, > > here is my report: > > http://clunixchit.blogspot.com/2009/02/report-fel-fosdem-2009.html > > Time went by so quickly :( > > @Max : you owe me a review :) My report: http://blog.foppiano.org/2009/02/16/fosdem-what-a-cool-event/ My photos: http://flickr.com/photos/lfoppiano/sets/72157614016605267/ Luca -- Today is Pungenday, the 48th day of Chaos in the YOLD 3175 FORTH IF HONK THEN From francesco at ephisia.org Wed Feb 18 14:14:28 2009 From: francesco at ephisia.org (Francesco Ugolini) Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2009 15:14:28 +0100 Subject: [Ambassadors] [Discussion] Reporting template for ambassadors. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Wed, Feb 18, 2009 at 1:31 AM, inode0 wrote: with ambassadors listed on our wiki who won't even respond to other > ambassadors who contact them? It seems quite a few of us view this as > a problem that can only get worse and it is important that when > someone seeks out an ambassador for help or guidance on the wiki that > they find someone willing and eager to provide assistance. The goals between Membership and Mentoring initiative is to help solving this lack, working with new Ambassadors and create a direct relation between the Project and the new members. > While I know you have worked on similar questions in the past it might > be time to revisit those in this one confined area. Without > necessarily considering ambassador group membership, can we find a way > to make the wiki's list of ambassadors a more useful and effective way > for the public and Fedora community members to contact ambassadors for > whatever reason? Some great ideas are popping up about this now. > > John Great question. This is a quite complicate issue, we have first of all to consider what could be public and what couldn't be. If you take a look at Privacy policy (http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Legal/PrivacyPolicy), this is the possible usage of personal informations: | Fedora uses the personal information you provide to: | | * create and maintain your accounts; | * answer your questions; | * send you information; | * for research activities, including the production of statistical reports (such aggregated information is not used to contact the subjects of the report); | * send you surveys. I'm not a lawyer, but I could assume that if something is not present in the list, couldn't be done without the consent of the user. So having a only, public space with people information (without asking people to do this volunteer) isn't simple as it could be. I want to underline that what I'm saying isn't a professional advice, just some consideration on a legal paper. Suggestions are welcome. Regards Francesco Ugolini From rtnpro at gmail.com Wed Feb 18 14:47:21 2009 From: rtnpro at gmail.com (Ratnadeep Debnath) Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2009 20:17:21 +0530 Subject: [Ambassadors] Re: [fedora-india] Fwd: Details of installfest and how to reach KGEC... In-Reply-To: References: <42f5a9550902180044k8630374w6eac0cd364844a38@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <467c41720902180647t3c29852dmc27c68f945cafa5c@mail.gmail.com> Hello, It is really nice to hear about the install fest to be organized in Kalyani Govt. College. Ratnadeep Debnath and Kishan Goyal from DGPLUG plan to be there too. Regards, Ratnadeep Debnath Kishan Goyal On Wed, Feb 18, 2009 at 2:50 PM, Rangeen Basu wrote: > > We have made all necessary arrangements for the installfest and FAD. We will > even get required funds from TEQUIP (college has approved). > Date: 21st Feb '09 > Time of Registration: 10:30 am > Time of Commencement: 11:00 Noon > Venue : Seminar Room. (all facility available). > > We are also trying to get Labs for that will give a good us good Networking > and Internet. Bandwidth: upto 2MBPS. (Not confirmed) > > We are doing intensive publicity. 100 participants are well expected. > > The event will be well conducted. > > How to Reach KGEC: > 1. Durgapur: > a) Intercity Express (7:20 AM in Durgapur, arrives Naihati at > 10:00 AM. You will have to catch "Kalyani Simanta Local" - 10:22 AM from > platform 3 and Reach "Kalyani Ghosh Para" (20 min). There will be Richshaw > (Rs. 10-15) and VAN (Rs. 5) availiable from station to KGEC Campus). > > b) Train Route: Durgapur - Bardhaman - Bandel - Naihati - > Kalyani main - Kalyani Ghosh Para. > > c) Bus Route: Catch a BUS from "Citi Centre" (time - 5:15 AM) to > Kalyani. Bus Stop: Kalyani Ghosh Para - ITI More. > > 2. Kolkata: > a) Catch "Kalyani Simanta Local" from Sealdah and Reach "Kalyani > Ghosh Para" Station (Rs. 12). Duration: 1:30 to 2 hrs. There will be > Richshaw (Rs. 10-15) and VAN (Rs. 5) availiable from station to KGEC Campus. > > b) There are bus service availiable from Esplanade (Kalyani > Express). Bus Stop: Kalyani Ghosh Para - ITI More. > > c) There are many locals availiable from Sealdah to "Kalyani > main" like Ranaghat local, Khrishnanagar local, Gede local, Shantipur local. > You will have to reach "Kalyani main" and catch an auto (Rs. 5) "ITI More - > Kalyani ghosh para". Then you can catch a Richshaw (Rs. 10-15) and VAN (Rs. > 5) availiable from ITI-More to KGEC Campus). > > Kalyani Simanta Time table from Sealdah: > 4:12 AM, 5:35 AM, 6:30 AM, 7:25 AM, 8:30 AM, 9:20 AM, 11:20 AM, 12:25 PM, > 2:40 PM, 3:25 PM, 4:50 PM, 6:12 PM, 7:10 PM, 8:10, PM, 10:05 PM. > > for trains to "Kalyani main" there are many. > > Request: If possibe, arrange for few "Fedora Electronics Lab" DVD's. > Electronics students are very interested. > > Many Many thanks for your initiative and approval. > > -- > Rohit Gupta. > Event Co-ordinator > KGEC > > > -- > Rangeen Basu Roy Chowdhury > > sherry151 at gmail.com > > !!!Windows is "micro"-soft[ware]..I like bigger things!!! > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-india mailing list > Fedora-india at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-india > From mspevack at redhat.com Wed Feb 18 18:09:15 2009 From: mspevack at redhat.com (Max Spevack) Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2009 19:09:15 +0100 (CET) Subject: [Ambassadors] REMINDER: EMEA meeting Wed Feb 18 @ 21:00 UTC Message-ID: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/Meetings/2009-02-18 Please add any additional agenda items that you would like to discuss. Also please note the meeting will be at 21:00 UTC (22:00 CET). --Max From nacross at gmail.com Wed Feb 18 18:13:41 2009 From: nacross at gmail.com (Neville A. Cross) Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2009 12:13:41 -0600 Subject: [Ambassadors] [Discussion] Reporting template for ambassadors. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Wed, Feb 18, 2009 at 8:14 AM, Francesco Ugolini wrote: > If you take a look at Privacy policy > (http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Legal/PrivacyPolicy), this is the > possible usage of personal informations: > > | Fedora uses the personal information you provide to: > | > | * create and maintain your accounts; > | * answer your questions; > | * send you information; > | * for research activities, including the production of > statistical reports (such aggregated information is not used to > contact the subjects of the report); > | * send you surveys. > > I'm not a lawyer, but I could assume that if something is not present > in the list, couldn't be done without the consent of the user. > > So having a only, public space with people information (without asking > people to do this volunteer) isn't simple as it could be. > > I want to underline that what I'm saying isn't a professional advice, > just some consideration on a legal paper. Suggestions are welcome. > > Regards > > Francesco Ugolini > Should this means that a more inclusive document has to be accepted by ambassadors Or maybe it points to the need to a "members only pages" that will allow ambassadors to have more info regarding other ambassadors, than what will be available to the public? I just thinking out loud here. I think the most urgent topic is to shake the tree so the "dead" leaves fall. Better if this can became a process to avoid accumulation of non relevant data. Streamlining the info, may help to figure out if more complex actions are required. Again, I am not against an ambassador that do a little activity or do a lot but does not show it on-line. I am in favour of having a better way to get in touch with each other when it is needed. Should be that ambassadors get a yearly reminder to refresh their membership and failing to answer that automated email within a month move you to inactive status. Failing twice delete the account. It is just an idea. The time frame may need better thinking. Best regards. -- Neville https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Yn1v Linux User # 473217 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Check: http://www.clickmanagua.com - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - From jsimon at fedoraproject.org Wed Feb 18 18:50:39 2009 From: jsimon at fedoraproject.org (Joerg Simon) Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2009 19:50:39 +0100 Subject: [Ambassadors] REMINDER: EMEA meeting Wed Feb 18 @ 21:00 UTC In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200902181950.46185.jsimon@fedoraproject.org> Am Mittwoch 18 Februar 2009 19:09:15 schrieb Max Spevack: > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/Meetings/2009-02-18 > > Please add any additional agenda items that you would like to discuss. > > Also please note the meeting will be at 21:00 UTC (22:00 CET). i am under heavy workload for my company - i will attend to answer all your questions, but can not focus on the meeting all the time - CU Joerg -- Joerg (kital) Simon jsimon at fedoraproject.org http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/JoergSimon http://kitall.blogspot.com Key Fingerprint: 3691 0989 2DCA 58A2 8D1F 2CAC C823 558E 5B5B 5688 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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My concerns were related to Ambassadors maps etc. > I think the most urgent topic is to shake the tree so the "dead" > leaves fall. Better if this can became a process to avoid > accumulation of non relevant data. Streamlining the info, may help to > figure out if more complex actions are required. We had such discussion twice or more since Ambassadors come to life. If you take a look at the past years M-L archive you will find that, at the end of the discussion, the conclusions were that nobody should be removed even if inactive: we SHOULD concentrate on active members. I can assure you that actually is possible to understand who is active or not: take a look at event reports, M-L activity, IRC presence and, even if we didn't see them, to the thousands of micro events around the earth (LUG meetings etc). All those facts should encourage us not to think at the inactive side, but working improving active ambassadors experience. Your attention to such topic underline the importance you give to the project, and, using and sharing this passion, we should create a better future for Fedora. Just to be clear: with the new Membership Policy (see September 08 M-L archive), we have enhanced the joining process, know it would be difficult to have people that automatically fill a form, but, whoever want to became an ambassadors, should follow a process (many of us have just tried it). > Should be that ambassadors get a yearly reminder to refresh their > membership and failing to answer that automated email within a month > move you to inactive status. Failing twice delete the account. It is > just an idea. The time frame may need better thinking. See the considerations above. BTW, as I just said, this situation was reduced with the new Membership policies. Regards Francesco Ugolini From mspevack at redhat.com Wed Feb 18 20:03:42 2009 From: mspevack at redhat.com (Max Spevack) Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2009 21:03:42 +0100 (CET) Subject: [Ambassadors] REMINDER: EMEA meeting Wed Feb 18 @ 21:00 UTC In-Reply-To: <200902181950.46185.jsimon@fedoraproject.org> References: <200902181950.46185.jsimon@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: On Wed, 18 Feb 2009, Joerg Simon wrote: > i am under heavy workload for my company - i will attend to answer all > your questions, but can not focus on the meeting all the time - No problem, sir! --Max From jsimon at fedoraproject.org Wed Feb 18 20:16:06 2009 From: jsimon at fedoraproject.org (JoergSimon) Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2009 21:16:06 +0100 Subject: [Ambassadors] Fedora Ambassadors Welcome Message-ID: <200902182116.10489.jsimon@fedoraproject.org> Dear Ambassadors, let?s welcome our new sponsored Ambassador Group Members: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Arthurbuliva from Nairobi, Kenya https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Taylon from Brazil https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Rejaul from Bangladesh Regards Joerg p.s. Please do not send private "Welcome" Messages to Ambassador List -- Joerg (kital) Simon jsimon at fedoraproject.org http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/JoergSimon http://kitall.blogspot.com Key Fingerprint: 3691 0989 2DCA 58A2 8D1F 2CAC C823 558E 5B5B 5688 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 197 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part. 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Regarding > these restrictions, could you tell me what kind of tasks can I do? > I have some plans for Fedora in Iran. I'm waiting for your helps and > comments. > > > Mostafa Daneshvar > http://mostafadaneshvar.com > > > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list -- Gerold Kassube -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 197 bytes Desc: Dies ist ein digital signierter Nachrichtenteil URL: From david at gnsa.us Wed Feb 18 22:25:29 2009 From: david at gnsa.us (David Nalley) Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2009 17:25:29 -0500 Subject: [Ambassadors] what can I do in Iran? In-Reply-To: <1234995308.2858.81.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1234995308.2858.81.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: 2009/2/18 Mostafa Daneshvar : > > Hello; > I newly joined this group. I am From Iran. I think my case is very > special because I'm from an embargoed destination (Iran). Regarding > these restrictions, could you tell me what kind of tasks can I do? > I have some plans for Fedora in Iran. I'm waiting for your helps and > comments. > > > Mostafa Daneshvar > http://mostafadaneshvar.com Hi Mostafa, I have actually been pondering that over the past few days - after seeing your blog post and the join notification from Joerg. It strikes me that, regardless of our personal opinions on the matter that this is a situation that honestly we need some guidance from someone qualified to tell us what we can help you do. Please note that differs rom what you do as an individual, but there may also be implications of you acting on behalf of the Fedora project. For instance, if you burn media that you download and distribute it as a Fedora Ambassador is that Fedora doing the distributing or you as an individual. I said all of that to say I don't know - but we'll find out. We'll ping RH-legal and ask their expert opinions, unfortunately that probably means no immediate answer. From mostafa.daneshvar at gmail.com Wed Feb 18 22:37:04 2009 From: mostafa.daneshvar at gmail.com (Mostafa Daneshvar) Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2009 02:07:04 +0330 Subject: [Ambassadors] what can I do in Iran? In-Reply-To: <1234995794.3323.3.camel@F10Lap1.homenet.local> References: <1234995308.2858.81.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1234995794.3323.3.camel@F10Lap1.homenet.local> Message-ID: <1234996624.2858.91.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Wed, 2009-02-18 at 23:23 +0100, Gerold Kassube wrote: > Hi, > > so why don't you tell us about your ideas? Share them with us and we try > to help you best as we can ... > my ideas: 1.FAD Tehran 2. FAD in main cites of Iran 3. distributing some Media as gifts for New Persian year (3/21) 4. and ..... > Regards > > Gerold > > > Am Donnerstag, den 19.02.2009, 01:45 +0330 schrieb Mostafa Daneshvar: > > Hello; > > I newly joined this group. I am From Iran. I think my case is very > > special because I'm from an embargoed destination (Iran). Regarding > > these restrictions, could you tell me what kind of tasks can I do? > > I have some plans for Fedora in Iran. I'm waiting for your helps and > > comments. > > > > > > Mostafa Daneshvar http://mostafadaneshvar.com -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 197 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From mostafa.daneshvar at gmail.com Wed Feb 18 22:48:20 2009 From: mostafa.daneshvar at gmail.com (Mostafa Daneshvar) Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2009 02:18:20 +0330 Subject: [Ambassadors] what can I do in Iran? In-Reply-To: References: <1234995308.2858.81.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1234997300.2858.105.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Wed, 2009-02-18 at 17:25 -0500, David Nalley wrote: > 2009/2/18 Mostafa Daneshvar : > > > > Hello; > > I newly joined this group. I am From Iran. I think my case is very > > special because I'm from an embargoed destination (Iran). Regarding > > these restrictions, could you tell me what kind of tasks can I do? > > I have some plans for Fedora in Iran. I'm waiting for your helps and > > comments. > > > > > > Mostafa Daneshvar > > http://mostafadaneshvar.com > > Hi Mostafa, > > I have actually been pondering that over the past few days - after > seeing your blog post and the join notification from Joerg. > It strikes me that, regardless of our personal opinions on the matter > that this is a situation that honestly we need some guidance from > someone qualified to tell us what we can help you do. Please note that > differs rom what you do as an individual, but there may also be > implications of you acting on behalf of the Fedora project. For > instance, if you burn media that you download and distribute it as a > Fedora Ambassador is that Fedora doing the distributing or you as an > individual. > > I said all of that to say I don't know - but we'll find out. We'll > ping RH-legal and ask their expert opinions, unfortunately that > probably means no immediate answer. Thank you David for your comments. I always consider rules and regulations governing Fedora. Also I want to do my job as a Fedoran in my country. Mostafa Daneshvar http://mostafadaneshvar.com -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 197 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From hacataka at gmail.com Wed Feb 18 23:24:20 2009 From: hacataka at gmail.com (Hacataka Comodo) Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2009 18:24:20 -0500 Subject: [Ambassadors] what can I do in Iran? In-Reply-To: <1234997300.2858.105.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1234995308.2858.81.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1234997300.2858.105.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: saludos coordiales desde America Latina... -- HACATAKA http://bitacorahelpdesk.blogspot.com/ https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Hacataka 2009/2/18 Mostafa Daneshvar > On Wed, 2009-02-18 at 17:25 -0500, David Nalley wrote: > > 2009/2/18 Mostafa Daneshvar : > > > > > > Hello; > > > I newly joined this group. I am From Iran. I think my case is very > > > special because I'm from an embargoed destination (Iran). Regarding > > > these restrictions, could you tell me what kind of tasks can I do? > > > I have some plans for Fedora in Iran. I'm waiting for your helps and > > > comments. > > > > > > > > > Mostafa Daneshvar > > > http://mostafadaneshvar.com > > > > Hi Mostafa, > > > > I have actually been pondering that over the past few days - after > > seeing your blog post and the join notification from Joerg. > > It strikes me that, regardless of our personal opinions on the matter > > that this is a situation that honestly we need some guidance from > > someone qualified to tell us what we can help you do. Please note that > > differs rom what you do as an individual, but there may also be > > implications of you acting on behalf of the Fedora project. For > > instance, if you burn media that you download and distribute it as a > > Fedora Ambassador is that Fedora doing the distributing or you as an > > individual. > > > > I said all of that to say I don't know - but we'll find out. We'll > > ping RH-legal and ask their expert opinions, unfortunately that > > probably means no immediate answer. > Thank you David for your comments. I always consider rules and > regulations governing Fedora. Also I want to do my job as a Fedoran in > my country. > Mostafa Daneshvar > http://mostafadaneshvar.com > > > > > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > > -- HACATAKA http://bitacorahelpdesk.blogspot.com/ https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Hacataka -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From thinklinux.ssh at gmail.com Thu Feb 19 02:56:16 2009 From: thinklinux.ssh at gmail.com (susmit shannigrahi) Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2009 08:26:16 +0530 Subject: [Ambassadors] [Discussion] Reporting template for ambassadors. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: > We had such discussion twice or more since Ambassadors come to life. > If you take a look at the past years M-L archive you will find that, > at the end of the discussion, the conclusions were that nobody should > be removed even if inactive: we SHOULD concentrate on active members. This is not about active/inactive thing. This is about *dead* ambassadors. They are different. I agree nobody should be removed if inactive, they need mentoring. I don't agree that nobody should be removed even if he left the project. > I can assure you that actually is possible to understand who is active > or not: take a look at event reports, M-L activity, IRC presence and, > eveteamsn if we didn't see them, to the thousands of micro events around > the earth (LUG meetings etc). All those facts should encourage us not > to think at the inactive side, but working improving active > ambassadors experience. I am, in fact many of us are not at all interested in knowing who are inactive. We want the ambassadors who are not anymore with fedora to be removed, just because of the simple fact is these are coming into our way with their dead wiki pages. Almost all the other teams do their house cleaning. Doc team does, packaging team does. So what's the problem with us? inode0 said a nice thing on IRC that if we don't do house keeping, we will end up with 20000 pages of ambassadors and 90% of them unresponsive. Also I have problem with dead ambassadors personally. When people cone us to me and say "Fedora ambassadors are non responsive...in spite of having 120 Ambassadors for India, nobody helped us", I feel bad. This was not because we are inactive, this person went to the wiki page of some local ambassador who are dead. So he didn't got any reply from any of them in spite of repeated emails. If we choose too ignore the issue, these allegations will increase rapidly in near future. I am not, rather we are not ok with that. Thannks. -- Regards, Susmit. ============================================= ssh 0x86DD170A http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/user:susmit ============================================= Sent from: Kolkata West Bengal India. From nacross at gmail.com Thu Feb 19 03:18:36 2009 From: nacross at gmail.com (Neville A. Cross) Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2009 21:18:36 -0600 Subject: [Ambassadors] [Discussion] Reporting template for ambassadors. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Wed, Feb 18, 2009 at 8:56 PM, susmit shannigrahi wrote: > Almost all the other teams do their house cleaning. Doc team does, > packaging team does. So what's the problem with us? > inode0 said a nice thing on IRC that if we don't do house keeping, we > will end up with 20000 pages of ambassadors and 90% of them > unresponsive. > > Also I have problem with dead ambassadors personally. > > When people cone us to me and say "Fedora ambassadors are non > responsive...in spite of having 120 Ambassadors for India, nobody > helped us", I feel bad. > > This was not because we are inactive, this person went to the wiki > page of some local ambassador who are dead. So he didn't got any reply > from any of them in spite of repeated emails. > Francesco said that I feel this way because I am passionate about the project. This is a good thing, but let me thinking that maybe I am a bit too much enthusiastic. Trying to encompass unresponsive (or dead) ambassadors with not kicking people out... what we need is a better way to direct people to those who do respond. The problem is I can't imagine a way of doing this without making a system that pings people. The report template make sense to show where you last drop your participation. Maybe we need some one with an esthetically appreciation to design a chronological template to brag about last stuff that they have done, then invite people to use it. Those who pick up this will more likely to be contacted as they show recent activity. Luckily this may became a common practice. I feel the urge to keep this going as the idea of ambassador template that was for having the minimal info .... never happened. I still feel that some housekeeping will be good. But I am trying to propose a less passionate approach, trying to be half way with other perspectives. Not sure If I am making sense, or if I am attaining a middle ground. Probably I am deflating my two cents by writing too much :) -- Neville https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Yn1v Linux User # 473217 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Check: http://www.clickmanagua.com - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - From mohaas05 at gmail.com Thu Feb 19 03:35:11 2009 From: mohaas05 at gmail.com (Kamin Horvath) Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2009 22:35:11 -0500 Subject: [Ambassadors] what can I do in Iran? Message-ID: Of course if Fedora is indeed barred from distribution on your area, you could always work with a Fedora based distribution that isn't subject to US law. However of course that would mean support would be more limited. Hopefully we'll be able to resolve this easily. Kamin Horvath Fedora Ambassadors USA On Feb 18, 2009, at 5:48 PM, Mostafa Daneshvar wrote: > On Wed, 2009-02-18 at 17:25 -0500, David Nalley wrote: >> 2009/2/18 Mostafa Daneshvar : >>> >>> Hello; >>> I newly joined this group. I am From Iran. I think my case is very >>> special because I'm from an embargoed destination (Iran). Regarding >>> these restrictions, could you tell me what kind of tasks can I do? >>> I have some plans for Fedora in Iran. I'm waiting for your helps and >>> comments. >>> >>> >>> Mostafa Daneshvar >>> http://mostafadaneshvar.com >> >> Hi Mostafa, >> >> I have actually been pondering that over the past few days - after >> seeing your blog post and the join notification from Joerg. >> It strikes me that, regardless of our personal opinions on the matter >> that this is a situation that honestly we need some guidance from >> someone qualified to tell us what we can help you do. Please note >> that >> differs rom what you do as an individual, but there may also be >> implications of you acting on behalf of the Fedora project. For >> instance, if you burn media that you download and distribute it as a >> Fedora Ambassador is that Fedora doing the distributing or you as an >> individual. >> >> I said all of that to say I don't know - but we'll find out. We'll >> ping RH-legal and ask their expert opinions, unfortunately that >> probably means no immediate answer. > Thank you David for your comments. I always consider rules and > regulations governing Fedora. Also I want to do my job as a Fedoran in > my country. > Mostafa Daneshvar > http://mostafadaneshvar.com > > > > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list From jbenedictlow at gmail.com Thu Feb 19 04:27:58 2009 From: jbenedictlow at gmail.com (Jason Benedict Low) Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2009 12:27:58 +0800 Subject: [Ambassadors] [Discussion] Reporting template for ambassadors. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <499CDFCE.1000503@gmail.com> + susmit shannigrahi wrote: >> We had such discussion twice or more since Ambassadors come to life. >> If you take a look at the past years M-L archive you will find that, >> at the end of the discussion, the conclusions were that nobody should >> be removed even if inactive: we SHOULD concentrate on active members. >> > > This is not about active/inactive thing. This is about *dead* > ambassadors. They are different. > > I agree nobody should be removed if inactive, they need mentoring. > I don't agree that nobody should be removed even if he left the project. > > > >> I can assure you that actually is possible to understand who is active >> or not: take a look at event reports, M-L activity, IRC presence and, >> eveteamsn if we didn't see them, to the thousands of micro events around >> the earth (LUG meetings etc). All those facts should encourage us not >> to think at the inactive side, but working improving active >> ambassadors experience. >> > > I am, in fact many of us are not at all interested in knowing who are inactive. > We want the ambassadors who are not anymore with fedora to be removed, > just because of the simple fact is these are coming into our way with > their dead wiki pages. > > Almost all the other teams do their house cleaning. Doc team does, > packaging team does. So what's the problem with us? > inode0 said a nice thing on IRC that if we don't do house keeping, we > will end up with 20000 pages of ambassadors and 90% of them > unresponsive. > > Also I have problem with dead ambassadors personally. > > When people cone us to me and say "Fedora ambassadors are non > responsive...in spite of having 120 Ambassadors for India, nobody > helped us", I feel bad. > > This was not because we are inactive, this person went to the wiki > page of some local ambassador who are dead. So he didn't got any reply > from any of them in spite of repeated emails. > > If we choose too ignore the issue, these allegations will increase > rapidly in near future. > I am not, rather we are not ok with that. > > Thannks. > > -- Best Regards, Jason Singapore Fedora Ambassador http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Jason_Benedict_Low VoIP = sip:jasonbenedict at fedoraproject.org ------ When i work nobody care. When i rest everybody stare. ------ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From me at royong.com Thu Feb 19 05:34:10 2009 From: me at royong.com (Roy Ong) Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2009 13:34:10 +0800 Subject: [Ambassadors] [Discussion] Reporting template for ambassadors. In-Reply-To: <499CDFCE.1000503@gmail.com> References: <499CDFCE.1000503@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1235021650.5032.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Thu, 2009-02-19 at 12:27 +0800, Jason Benedict Low wrote: > + > > susmit shannigrahi wrote: > > > We had such discussion twice or more since Ambassadors come to life. > > > If you take a look at the past years M-L archive you will find that, > > > at the end of the discussion, the conclusions were that nobody should > > > be removed even if inactive: we SHOULD concentrate on active members. > > > > > > > This is not about active/inactive thing. This is about *dead* > > ambassadors. They are different. > > > > I agree nobody should be removed if inactive, they need mentoring. > > I don't agree that nobody should be removed even if he left the project. > > > > > > > > > I can assure you that actually is possible to understand who is active > > > or not: take a look at event reports, M-L activity, IRC presence and, > > > eveteamsn if we didn't see them, to the thousands of micro events around > > > the earth (LUG meetings etc). All those facts should encourage us not > > > to think at the inactive side, but working improving active > > > ambassadors experience. > > > > > > > I am, in fact many of us are not at all interested in knowing who are inactive. > > We want the ambassadors who are not anymore with fedora to be removed, > > just because of the simple fact is these are coming into our way with > > their dead wiki pages. > > > > Almost all the other teams do their house cleaning. Doc team does, > > packaging team does. So what's the problem with us? > > inode0 said a nice thing on IRC that if we don't do house keeping, we > > will end up with 20000 pages of ambassadors and 90% of them > > unresponsive. > > > > Also I have problem with dead ambassadors personally. > > > > When people cone us to me and say "Fedora ambassadors are non > > responsive...in spite of having 120 Ambassadors for India, nobody > > helped us", I feel bad. > > > > This was not because we are inactive, this person went to the wiki > > page of some local ambassador who are dead. So he didn't got any reply > > from any of them in spite of repeated emails. > > > > If we choose too ignore the issue, these allegations will increase > > rapidly in near future. > > I am not, rather we are not ok with that. > > > > Thannks. > > > > + + i think there is a need to agree on a proper definition of "dead ambassadors" ... From fusion94 at gmail.com Thu Feb 19 05:39:25 2009 From: fusion94 at gmail.com (Tony Guntharp) Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2009 21:39:25 -0800 Subject: [Ambassadors] [Discussion] Reporting template for ambassadors. In-Reply-To: <1235021650.5032.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <499CDFCE.1000503@gmail.com> <1235021650.5032.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <78f7d5500902182139r75a82da0y36d49151809c3d8b@mail.gmail.com> Correct me if I'm wrong but it seems like this very subject is brought up at least once every calendar year. I can only speak for myself but is someone is an ambassador regardless of how active they appear to be to other ambassadors if they aren't asking for $$ or other stuff what does it matter? Does it somehow diminish your role as an ambassador? I don't think it does. Can Karsten or Max or someone please make a goddamn decision and put this to rest once an for all and make an entry into the wiki somewhere? -t Tony Guntharp Co-Founder SourceForge.net fusion94 at gmail.com 1 (415) 694-3732 On Wed, Feb 18, 2009 at 21:34, Roy Ong wrote: > > > On Thu, 2009-02-19 at 12:27 +0800, Jason Benedict Low wrote: >> + >> >> susmit shannigrahi wrote: >> > > We had such discussion twice or more since Ambassadors come to life. >> > > If you take a look at the past years M-L archive you will find that, >> > > at the end of the discussion, the conclusions were that nobody should >> > > be removed even if inactive: we SHOULD concentrate on active members. >> > > >> > >> > This is not about active/inactive thing. This is about *dead* >> > ambassadors. They are different. >> > >> > I agree nobody should be removed if inactive, they need mentoring. >> > I don't agree that nobody should be removed even if he left the project. >> > >> > >> > >> > > I can assure you that actually is possible to understand who is active >> > > or not: take a look at event reports, M-L activity, IRC presence and, >> > > eveteamsn if we didn't see them, to the thousands of micro events around >> > > the earth (LUG meetings etc). All those facts should encourage us not >> > > to think at the inactive side, but working improving active >> > > ambassadors experience. >> > > >> > >> > I am, in fact many of us are not at all interested in knowing who are inactive. >> > We want the ambassadors who are not anymore with fedora to be removed, >> > just because of the simple fact is these are coming into our way with >> > their dead wiki pages. >> > >> > Almost all the other teams do their house cleaning. Doc team does, >> > packaging team does. So what's the problem with us? >> > inode0 said a nice thing on IRC that if we don't do house keeping, we >> > will end up with 20000 pages of ambassadors and 90% of them >> > unresponsive. >> > >> > Also I have problem with dead ambassadors personally. >> > >> > When people cone us to me and say "Fedora ambassadors are non >> > responsive...in spite of having 120 Ambassadors for India, nobody >> > helped us", I feel bad. >> > >> > This was not because we are inactive, this person went to the wiki >> > page of some local ambassador who are dead. So he didn't got any reply >> > from any of them in spite of repeated emails. >> > >> > If we choose too ignore the issue, these allegations will increase >> > rapidly in near future. >> > I am not, rather we are not ok with that. >> > >> > Thannks. >> > >> > > > + + > i think there is a need to agree on a proper definition of "dead > ambassadors" ... > > > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > From inode0 at gmail.com Thu Feb 19 05:43:03 2009 From: inode0 at gmail.com (inode0) Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2009 23:43:03 -0600 Subject: [Ambassadors] [Discussion] Reporting template for ambassadors. In-Reply-To: <1235021650.5032.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <499CDFCE.1000503@gmail.com> <1235021650.5032.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: On Wed, Feb 18, 2009 at 11:34 PM, Roy Ong wrote: > + + > i think there is a need to agree on a proper definition of "dead > ambassadors" ... I haven't referred to them as "dead" ambassadors but the ambassadors we are talking about are ambassadors who don't respond to email when they are contacted via their ambassador wiki links. All I am in favor of is removing the wiki links to them, not removing them as ambassadors as they may well be doing other ambassador activities. We simply don't want to frustrate people who are trying to contact us via wiki links, which is one common way for people both inside the Fedora community and outside to try to contact us. We also don't want to miss important opportunities for Fedora which now happens when those contacted don't respond to inquiries. John From me at royong.com Thu Feb 19 05:59:50 2009 From: me at royong.com (Roy Ong) Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2009 13:59:50 +0800 Subject: [Ambassadors] [Discussion] Reporting template for ambassadors. In-Reply-To: References: <499CDFCE.1000503@gmail.com> <1235021650.5032.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1235023190.5032.12.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Wed, 2009-02-18 at 23:43 -0600, inode0 wrote: > On Wed, Feb 18, 2009 at 11:34 PM, Roy Ong wrote: > > + + > > i think there is a need to agree on a proper definition of "dead > > ambassadors" ... > > I haven't referred to them as "dead" ambassadors but the ambassadors > we are talking about are ambassadors who don't respond to email when > they are contacted via their ambassador wiki links. All I am in favor > of is removing the wiki links to them, not removing them as > ambassadors as they may well be doing other ambassador activities. > > We simply don't want to frustrate people who are trying to contact us > via wiki links, which is one common way for people both inside the > Fedora community and outside to try to contact us. We also don't want > to miss important opportunities for Fedora which now happens when > those contacted don't respond to inquiries. > > John i'll agree on that. responding to an email and keeping the wiki updated with a valid email address is the least that one should do. From thinklinux.ssh at gmail.com Thu Feb 19 06:03:38 2009 From: thinklinux.ssh at gmail.com (susmit shannigrahi) Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2009 11:33:38 +0530 Subject: [Ambassadors] [Discussion] Reporting template for ambassadors. In-Reply-To: <78f7d5500902182139r75a82da0y36d49151809c3d8b@mail.gmail.com> References: <499CDFCE.1000503@gmail.com> <1235021650.5032.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> <78f7d5500902182139r75a82da0y36d49151809c3d8b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Thu, Feb 19, 2009 at 11:09 AM, Tony Guntharp wrote: > Correct me if I'm wrong but it seems like this very subject is brought > up at least once every calendar year. Correct !!! > I can only speak for myself but is someone is an ambassador regardless of how > active they appear to be > to other ambassadors if they aren't asking for $$ or other stuff what > does it matter? >From individual point of view it does not hurt anyone. This is not about money or godies either. But if you think from Fedora Project's point of view, it surely hurts Fedora's prospect of getting spread. Also it gets bad reputation of inactivity and incoordination to the project. > Does it somehow diminish your role as an ambassador? I > don't think it does. No it does not. But as I said earlier, I am not concerned about myself. I am concerned about Fedora. -- Regards, Susmit. ============================================= ssh 0x86DD170A http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/user:susmit ============================================= Sent from: Calcutta Wb India. From sherry151 at gmail.com Thu Feb 19 07:55:47 2009 From: sherry151 at gmail.com (Rangeen Basu) Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2009 13:25:47 +0530 Subject: [Ambassadors] Final Details for Kalyani Govt. Engineering Collg. Install Fest and FAD Message-ID: This is regarding the install fest and FAD at KGEC. The organizers have arranged everything that we wanted. They have changed the venue to their LAB where we will get 2 MBps internet connectivity. They have also managed to get funds in just 2 days and are arranging for food packets for everybody including the participants. There is no participation fee for the event. Participation well over 100 is expected. The FAD starts at 11:00 a.m and continues till the evening with a break in between. The agenda is upon us to decide. Its an install fest cum FAD. So will definitely need all the help we can get to man the booth in the morning and help out in the workshops as well. Bring whatever slides you can. Will decide what exactly to do. The agenda I was thinking is 1> Introduction to Linux and Fedora (Arindam's slides) 2> Installation(using DVD) and configuration( probably using a local mirror) 3> Talk on Myths about Linux busted with Fedora (Subodip's slideshow) 4> A demo and workshop on the various softwares and utilities. 5> Talk on how to contribute to FOSS and how to join Fedora ( Possibly using Satya's slides) The speakers are yet to be decided. All I know is that Debayan, Ratnadeep, Kishan Goyal and me along with Indranil da are attending the event. Don't know about Dipanjan or Sarbartha. hey haven't confirmed yet. I want Indranil da to say something. Will talk to him tomorrow. Suggest anything, any change or any addition, you want. Remember, the agenda for the event isn't final yet. Anyone who wants to speak on anything else please let me know. I will be needing 100 DVDs. Anyone who has it please supply. Debayan is bringing some, maybe 50. I'll need atleast 50 more and some FEL DVDs as well. Please reply ASAP. The journey details are as follows: How to Reach KGEC: 1. Durgapur: a) Intercity Express (7:20 AM in Durgapur, arrives Naihati at 10:00 AM. You will have to catch "Kalyani Simanta Local" - 10:22 AM from platform 3 and Reach "Kalyani Ghosh Para" (20 min). There will be Richshaw (Rs. 10-15) and VAN (Rs. 5) availiable from station to KGEC Campus). b) Train Route: Durgapur - Bardhaman - Bandel - Naihati - Kalyani main - Kalyani Ghosh Para. c) Bus Route: Catch a BUS from "Citi Centre" (time - 5:15 AM) to Kalyani. Bus Stop: Kalyani Ghosh Para - ITI More. 2. Kolkata: a) Catch "Kalyani Simanta Local" from Sealdah and Reach "Kalyani Ghosh Para" Station (Rs. 12). Duration: 1:30 to 2 hrs. There will be Richshaw (Rs. 10-15) and VAN (Rs. 5) availiable from station to KGEC Campus. b) There are bus service availiable from Esplanade (Kalyani Express). Bus Stop: Kalyani Ghosh Para - ITI More. c) There are many locals availiable from Sealdah to "Kalyani main" like Ranaghat local, Khrishnanagar local, Gede local, Shantipur local. You will have to reach "Kalyani main" and catch an auto (Rs. 5) "ITI More - Kalyani ghosh para". Then you can catch a Richshaw (Rs. 10-15) and VAN (Rs. 5) availiable from ITI-More to KGEC Campus). Kalyani Simanta Time table from Sealdah: 4:12 AM, 5:35 AM, 6:30 AM, 7:25 AM, 8:30 AM, 9:20 AM, 11:20 AM, 12:25 PM, 2:40 PM, 3:25 PM, 4:50 PM, 6:12 PM, 7:10 PM, 8:10, PM, 10:05 PM. for trains to "Kalyani main" there are many. 3)Back from Kalyani Ghosh Para to Sealdah "Kalyani Simanta Local" Time table from Simanta to Sealdah (5 min to Kalyani Ghosh Para) 6:04 AM, 7:15 AM, 8:12 AM, 9:16 AM, 10:10 AM, 1:18 PM, 2:14 PM, 4:30 PM, 5:30 PM, 7:03 PM, 8:00 PM 9:15 PM, 10:10 PM You can catch this train from "Kalyani Ghosh Para", the nearest station here. Add 5 mins to the time as it is from "Kalyani Simanta". Thank You -- Rangeen Basu Roy Chowdhury sherry151 at gmail.com !!!Windows is "micro"-soft[ware]..I like bigger things!!! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From thinklinux.ssh at gmail.com Thu Feb 19 08:57:49 2009 From: thinklinux.ssh at gmail.com (susmit shannigrahi) Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2009 14:27:49 +0530 Subject: [Ambassadors] Re: [fedora-india] Final Details for Kalyani Govt. Engineering Collg. Install Fest and FAD In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: > The speakers are yet to be decided. All I know is that Debayan, > Ratnadeep, Kishan Goyal and me along with Indranil da are attending the > event. > Don't know about Dipanjan or Sarbartha. hey haven't confirmed yet. Probably they are not coming. > I > want Indranil da to say something. Will talk to him tomorrow. Suggest > anything, any change or any addition, you want. Remember, the agenda for the > event isn't final yet. Anyone who wants to speak on anything else please let > me know. I will be needing 100 DVDs. Anyone who has it please supply. > Debayan is bringing some, maybe 50. I'll need atleast 50 more and some FEL > DVDs as well. Please reply ASAP. I guess I promised you the DVDs. I understand your excitement, but it is better to keep your cool. :) Once you have been promised some resources, it is inappropriate to send another call for help on the same thing. Anyway, can I have your mobile number offlist? Can you pick the DVDs today evening or tomorrow morning from Jadavpur? I have my mobile no on my page. Thanks. -- Regards, Susmit. ============================================= ssh 0x86DD170A http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/user:susmit ============================================= Sent from: Kolkata West Bengal India. From mspevack at redhat.com Thu Feb 19 11:34:20 2009 From: mspevack at redhat.com (Max Spevack) Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2009 12:34:20 +0100 (CET) Subject: [Ambassadors] inactive ambassadors, a proposed solution Message-ID: The purpose of this email is to try to lay out a roadmap for solving, once and for all, the question of inactive Fedora Ambassadors. GOALS OF IDENTIFYING INACTIVE AMBASSADORS: (1) Housekeeping. All projects need to have their membership rosters pruned from time to time. In Ambassadors, this is particularly important because non-Fedora people might get in touch with Ambassadors, and if they don't receive a response, it looks like Fedora is ignorning them. Other sub-projects for which identifying inactive ambassadors are crucial is packaging. If someone drops off the face of the earth, their packages need to be given to a new owner. Pages that need to a "refresh" policy: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/CountryList <-- I argue that CountryList is the wrong name for this page, and it should be called Directory. https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/MembershipService/Verification https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/Count <-- why do we even need this page? Doesn't the CountryList page serve the same purpose? How often are these pages currently updated? Is the process manual or automated, or a mixture of both? (2) Give a more prominent location to the "list of ambassadors per country". That page should be the most visited page in all of Fedora Ambassadors. People who are trying to find out about Fedora should be visiting it, and Ambassadors who are looking for other Fedora folks near them should be visiting it. We should have something on fedoraproject.org that says "are you interested in Fedora? Find a Fedora Ambassador near you to give you some information" and you type in your location, and it spits back a list of Ambassadors near you. (3) In order for any of (2) to be successful, we need to make sure that the people who are listed as Ambassadors are actually paying attention to the Ambassadors part of Fedora. If someone is not, it doesn't mean that they are a bad person -- it just means that they don't want to have to deal with organizing events or asking questions from newbies to the project. I wouldn't be offended if someone removed me from the Fedora Infrastructure group in FAS, because *I DON'T DO ANYTHING WITH FEDORA INFRASTRUCTURE*. It doesn't mean I'm a bad person or not a Fedora contributor, it just means that I don't participate in that part of Fedora. HOW DO WE IDENTIFY ACTIVE AMBASSADORS? We come up with a policy that is simple, and fair. An active ambassador is someone who: 1) Has joined the group in FAS. 2) Reads and/or posts on fedora-ambassadors-list. 3) Has a useful, up-to-date personal page on the Fedora wiki. And does one or more of: * Attends or organizes an event once in a release cycle. * Maintains a blog on Planet Fedora, with about one post per month. * Participates on fedora-list or fedoraforum.org to help people w/ questions. * Indicates their willingness to mentor and guide new contributors or new users. WHAT DO WE DO WITH INACTIVE AMBASSADORS? If someone is inactive, we *DO NOT* kick them out of the ambassadors group in FAS, and we *DO NOT* remove them from fedora-ambassadors list. But we should remove them from the "directory of Ambassadors sorted by country", which I argue again needs to be much more visible and useful, so that those inactive Ambassadors aren't being asked to do public-facing things. When someone re-surfaces or has more time for Ambassadors, we put them back on the directory. ================== Flame me. --Max From itamar at ispbrasil.com.br Thu Feb 19 12:02:41 2009 From: itamar at ispbrasil.com.br (Itamar Reis Peixoto) Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2009 09:02:41 -0300 Subject: [Ambassadors] what can I do in Iran? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: my suggestion is to create a fork of fedora wih another name something like fedoiran then you need to grab fedora sources and recompile yourself you will need to build your own build system, something like koji http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/ >>>> I newly joined this group. I am From Iran. I think my case is very >>>> special because I'm from an embargoed destination (Iran). Regarding >>>> these restrictions, could you tell me what kind of tasks can I do? >>>> I have some plans for Fedora in Iran. I'm waiting for your helps and >>>> comments. ------------ Itamar Reis Peixoto e-mail/msn: itamar at ispbrasil.com.br sip: itamar at ispbrasil.com.br skype: itamarjp icq: 81053601 +55 11 4063 5033 +55 34 3221 8599 From kam at kamsalisbury.com Thu Feb 19 12:38:14 2009 From: kam at kamsalisbury.com (Kam) Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2009 04:38:14 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Ambassadors] [Discussion] Reporting template for ambassadors. Message-ID: <499d52b6.0c17400a.3f2f.fffff712@mx.google.com> -----Original Message----- From: "Neville A. Cross" Subj: Re: [Ambassadors] [Discussion] Reporting template for ambassadors. Date: Wed Feb 18, 2009 10:18 pm Size: 2K To: fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com On Wed, Feb 18, 2009 at 8:56 PM, susmit shannigrahi wrote: > Almost all the other teams do their house cleaning. Doc team does, > packaging team does. So what's the problem with us? > inode0 said a nice thing on IRC that if we don't do house keeping, we > will end up with 20000 pages of ambassadors and 90% of them > unresponsive. > > Also I have problem with dead ambassadors personally. > > When people cone us to me and say "Fedora ambassadors are non > responsive...in spite of having 120 Ambassadors for India, nobody > helped us", I feel bad. > > This was not because we are inactive, this person went to the wiki > page of some local ambassador who are dead. So he didn't got any reply > from any of them in spite of repeated emails. > Francesco said that I feel this way because I am passionate about the project. This is a good thing, but let me thinking that maybe I am a bit too much enthusiastic. Trying to encompass unresponsive (or dead) ambassadors with not kicking people out... what we need is a better way to direct people to those who do respond. The problem is I can't imagine a way of doing this without making a system that pings people. The report template make sense to show where you last drop your participation. Maybe we need some one with an esthetically appreciation to design a chronological template to brag about last stuff that they have done, then invite people to use it. Those who pick up this will more likely to be contacted as they show recent activity. Luckily this may became a common practice. I feel the urge to keep this going as the idea of ambassador template that was for having the minimal info .... never happened. I still feel that some housekeeping will be good. But I am trying to propose a less passionate approach, trying to be half way with other perspectives. Not sure If I am making sense, or if I am attaining a middle ground. Probably I am deflating my two cents by writing too much :) -- Neville https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Yn1v Linux User # 473217 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Check: http://www.clickmanagua.com - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -- Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list I think most active Ambassadors agree some criteria needs set to address inactive folks. Would requiring at least a wiki page update every quarter be enough? This indicator is easier to track than irc attendance. A housekeeping, second step, would be to archive all the wiki pages that correspond with bounced list addresses. -- Kam http://kamsalisbury.com GPG key: FAF1751E From bochecha at fedoraproject.org Thu Feb 19 12:39:55 2009 From: bochecha at fedoraproject.org (Mathieu Bridon (bochecha)) Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2009 13:39:55 +0100 Subject: [Ambassadors] inactive ambassadors, a proposed solution In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2d319b780902190439t4508f3eah24469016f1c2e353@mail.gmail.com> > HOW DO WE IDENTIFY ACTIVE AMBASSADORS? > > We come up with a policy that is simple, and fair. > > An active ambassador is someone who: > > 1) Has joined the group in FAS. > 2) Reads and/or posts on fedora-ambassadors-list. > 3) Has a useful, up-to-date personal page on the Fedora wiki. > > And does one or more of: > > * Attends or organizes an event once in a release cycle. > * Maintains a blog on Planet Fedora, with about one post per month. > * Participates on fedora-list or fedoraforum.org to help people w/ > questions. => or other forums from local communities of course ;) > * Indicates their willingness to mentor and guide new contributors or new > users. And who will get to say if one is or is not doing all those things properly ? To me, very few people can: the local leaders. They are the ones who know the Ambassadors in their region and what they do. And if there's an Ambassador in their region they never heard of, maybe it means he is inactive... Regards, ---------- Mathieu Bridon (bochecha) "They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety." ~Benjamin Franklin From mspevack at redhat.com Thu Feb 19 13:02:11 2009 From: mspevack at redhat.com (Max Spevack) Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2009 14:02:11 +0100 (CET) Subject: [Ambassadors] inactive ambassadors, a proposed solution In-Reply-To: <2d319b780902190439t4508f3eah24469016f1c2e353@mail.gmail.com> References: <2d319b780902190439t4508f3eah24469016f1c2e353@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 19 Feb 2009, Mathieu Bridon (bochecha) wrote: > => or other forums from local communities of course ;) Of course. >> * Indicates their willingness to mentor and guide new contributors or >> new users. > > And who will get to say if one is or is not doing all those things > properly ? > > To me, very few people can: the local leaders. They are the ones who > know the Ambassadors in their region and what they do. And if there's > an Ambassador in their region they never heard of, maybe it means he > is inactive... I agree. --Max From jsimon at fedoraproject.org Thu Feb 19 13:19:34 2009 From: jsimon at fedoraproject.org (Joerg Simon) Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2009 14:19:34 +0100 Subject: [Ambassadors] inactive ambassadors, a proposed solution In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200902191419.38599.jsimon@fedoraproject.org> Am Donnerstag 19 Februar 2009 12:34:20 schrieb Max Spevack: > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/CountryList <-- I argue that > CountryList is the wrong name for this page, and it should be called > Directory. +1 (is maintained by hand) > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/MembershipService/Verification > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/Count <-- why do we even need > this page? Doesn't the CountryList page serve the same purpose? We feed this pages from FAS - we just started to collect the scripts in a git repo https://admin.fedoraproject.org/accounts/group/view/gitfama but we have just started > How often are these pages currently updated? Is the process manual or > automated, or a mixture of both? right now it is a mixture > (2) Give a more prominent location to the "list of ambassadors per > country". That page should be the most visited page in all of Fedora > Ambassadors. People who are trying to find out about Fedora should be > visiting it, and Ambassadors who are looking for other Fedora folks near > them should be visiting it. > We should have something on fedoraproject.org that says "are you > interested in Fedora? Find a Fedora Ambassador near you to give you > some information" and you type in your location, and it spits back a > list of Ambassadors near you. +1 > (3) In order for any of (2) to be successful, we need to make sure that > the people who are listed as Ambassadors are actually paying attention > to the Ambassadors part of Fedora. If someone is not, it doesn't mean > that they are a bad person -- it just means that they don't want to have > to deal with organizing events or asking questions from newbies to the > project. > I wouldn't be offended if someone removed me from the Fedora > Infrastructure group in FAS, because *I DON'T DO ANYTHING WITH FEDORA > INFRASTRUCTURE*. It doesn't mean I'm a bad person or not a Fedora > contributor, it just means that I don't participate in that part of > Fedora. +1 > > WHAT DO WE DO WITH INACTIVE AMBASSADORS? > > If someone is inactive, we *DO NOT* kick them out of the ambassadors > group in FAS, and we *DO NOT* remove them from fedora-ambassadors list. > > But we should remove them from the "directory of Ambassadors sorted by > country", which I argue again needs to be much more visible and useful, > so that those inactive Ambassadors aren't being asked to do > public-facing things. > > When someone re-surfaces or has more time for Ambassadors, we put them > back on the directory. +1 good compromise CU Joerg -- Joerg (kital) Simon jsimon at fedoraproject.org http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/JoergSimon http://kitall.blogspot.com Key Fingerprint: 3691 0989 2DCA 58A2 8D1F 2CAC C823 558E 5B5B 5688 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Never thought of that, guilty. > * Participates on fedora-list or fedoraforum.org to help people w/ > questions. > * Indicates their willingness to mentor and guide new contributors or > new users. I could do with some myself. As I am currently back in school, and learning some web stuff. Hope to catch up :) Frank From thecyberxp at gmail.com Thu Feb 19 13:29:33 2009 From: thecyberxp at gmail.com (Wael Ammar) Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2009 14:29:33 +0100 Subject: [Ambassadors] inactive ambassadors, a proposed solution In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <11204d710902190529m629c29c8u24dbe21630848b0@mail.gmail.com> Hi, > (2) Give a more prominent location to the "list of ambassadors per > country". That page should be the most visited page in all of Fedora > Ambassadors. People who are trying to find out about Fedora should be > visiting it, and Ambassadors who are looking for other Fedora folks near > them should be visiting it. > > We should have something on fedoraproject.org that says "are you > interested in Fedora? Find a Fedora Ambassador near you to give you some > information" and you type in your location, and it spits back a list of > Ambassadors near you. > +1 I'm totally agree with that... it will be useful > > > (3) In order for any of (2) to be successful, we need to make sure that the > people who are listed as Ambassadors are actually paying attention to the > Ambassadors part of Fedora. If someone is not, it doesn't mean that they > are a bad person -- it just means that they don't want to have to deal with > organizing events or asking questions from newbies to the project. > > I wouldn't be offended if someone removed me from the Fedora Infrastructure > group in FAS, because *I DON'T DO ANYTHING WITH FEDORA INFRASTRUCTURE*. It > doesn't mean I'm a bad person or not a Fedora contributor, it just means > that I don't participate in that part of Fedora. > +1 > > > HOW DO WE IDENTIFY ACTIVE AMBASSADORS? > > We come up with a policy that is simple, and fair. > > An active ambassador is someone who: > > 1) Has joined the group in FAS. > 2) Reads and/or posts on fedora-ambassadors-list. > 3) Has a useful, up-to-date personal page on the Fedora wiki. > Done for me :) > > And does one or more of: > > * Attends or organizes an event once in a release cycle. We (Tunisian Ambassador) organize more than 3 or 4 event per year (2 Release Party and 2 other, juste to promote) > > * Maintains a blog on Planet Fedora, with about one post per month. Done, but at Fedora Fr Planet ;) > > * Participates on fedora-list or fedoraforum.org to help people w/ > questions. We do our better to be present at all the ML and forum, specially at the Fedora Fr community > > * Indicates their willingness to mentor and guide new contributors or new > users. > Clear :) Regards, -- Wael Ammar (TheCyberXP) Tunisian Fedora Ambassador Secr?taire G?n?ral Club FreeWays http://www.wael-ammar.com/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From inode0 at gmail.com Thu Feb 19 14:26:06 2009 From: inode0 at gmail.com (inode0) Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2009 08:26:06 -0600 Subject: [Ambassadors] inactive ambassadors, a proposed solution In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Thu, Feb 19, 2009 at 5:34 AM, Max Spevack wrote: > The purpose of this email is to try to lay out a roadmap for solving, once > and for all, the question of inactive Fedora Ambassadors. Perhaps I'm thinking about this problem in a more surgical way. Ambassadors contribute in so many different ways that I don't even feel comfortable thinking I can enumerate them and so I prefer to not label an ambassador inactive because they don't contribute in the ways I can enumerate. > GOALS OF IDENTIFYING INACTIVE AMBASSADORS: > > (1) Housekeeping. All projects need to have their membership rosters pruned > from time to time. In Ambassadors, this is particularly important because > non-Fedora people might get in touch with Ambassadors, and if they don't > receive a response, it looks like Fedora is ignorning them. Other > sub-projects for which identifying inactive ambassadors are crucial is > packaging. If someone drops off the face of the earth, their packages need > to be given to a new owner. This to my mind is the core of the issue at hand. In FAmNA we have been encouraging ambassadors in our part of the community to use https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/NA/Regions This is voluntary, ambassadors may put themselves on this page if they so choose. If they do then it is a reasonable expectation that they will respond to people who try to contact them using it. They might spend 5 hours a day helping others in #fedora but if they don't respond to someone contacting them from this page then they should not be on this page. One ambassador might prefer and enjoy being the conference booth face of Fedora, another might enjoy being the IRC face of Fedora. Both of those groups are self-selecting. The wiki face of Fedora should be self-selecting also, not something everyone in the ambassador group belongs to by default. > ... snip ... > > (2) Give a more prominent location to the "list of ambassadors per country". > That page should be the most visited page in all of Fedora Ambassadors. > People who are trying to find out about Fedora should be visiting it, and > Ambassadors who are looking for other Fedora folks near them should be > visiting it. > > We should have something on fedoraproject.org that says "are you interested > in Fedora? Find a Fedora Ambassador near you to give you some information" > and you type in your location, and it spits back a list of Ambassadors near > you. I agree this is important. Opening f-a-l (which I will never advocate again) was motivated by the desire to have an obvious place for people to contact *someone* who is an ambassador about whatever they need assistance with. That objective can be accomplished with the wiki too. > (3) In order for any of (2) to be successful, we need to make sure that the > people who are listed as Ambassadors are actually paying attention to the > Ambassadors part of Fedora. If someone is not, it doesn't mean that they > are a bad person -- it just means that they don't want to have to deal with > organizing events or asking questions from newbies to the project. Here is where I think there is a much simpler approach. Do they respond to email at whatever address they have listed on the wiki. If no that means they aren't paying attention to being the wiki face of Fedora and probably would be fine not being a part of that piece of the ambassador puzzle. Really at this point that is the only piece that concerns me. > ... snip ... 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URL: From irashadul at gmail.com Thu Feb 19 14:47:03 2009 From: irashadul at gmail.com (Rashadul Islam) Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2009 20:47:03 +0600 Subject: [Ambassadors] inactive ambassadors, a proposed solution In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <17fa59580902190647t46315b11n8d8e942638f4c944@mail.gmail.com> Thu, Feb 19, 2009 at 8:26 PM, inode0 wrote: > On Thu, Feb 19, 2009 at 5:34 AM, Max Spevack wrote: > > The purpose of this email is to try to lay out a roadmap for solving, > once > > and for all, the question of inactive Fedora Ambassadors. > > Perhaps I'm thinking about this problem in a more surgical way. > Ambassadors contribute in so many different ways that I don't even > feel comfortable thinking I can enumerate them and so I prefer to not > label an ambassador inactive because they don't contribute in the ways > I can enumerate. > > > GOALS OF IDENTIFYING INACTIVE AMBASSADORS: > > > > (1) Housekeeping. All projects need to have their membership rosters > pruned > > from time to time. In Ambassadors, this is particularly important > because > > non-Fedora people might get in touch with Ambassadors, and if they don't > > receive a response, it looks like Fedora is ignorning them. Other > > sub-projects for which identifying inactive ambassadors are crucial is > > packaging. If someone drops off the face of the earth, their packages > need > > to be given to a new owner. > > This to my mind is the core of the issue at hand. In FAmNA we have > been encouraging ambassadors in our part of the community to use > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/NA/Regions > > This is voluntary, ambassadors may put themselves on this page if they > so choose. If they do then it is a reasonable expectation that they > will respond to people who try to contact them using it. They might > spend 5 hours a day helping others in #fedora but if they don't > respond to someone contacting them from this page then they should not > be on this page. > > One ambassador might prefer and enjoy being the conference booth face > of Fedora, another might enjoy being the IRC face of Fedora. Both of > those groups are self-selecting. The wiki face of Fedora should be > self-selecting also, not something everyone in the ambassador group > belongs to by default. > > > ... snip ... > > > > (2) Give a more prominent location to the "list of ambassadors per > country". > > That page should be the most visited page in all of Fedora Ambassadors. > > People who are trying to find out about Fedora should be visiting it, > and > > Ambassadors who are looking for other Fedora folks near them should be > > visiting it. > > > > We should have something on fedoraproject.org that says "are you > interested > > in Fedora? Find a Fedora Ambassador near you to give you some > information" > > and you type in your location, and it spits back a list of Ambassadors > near > > you. > > I agree this is important. Opening f-a-l (which I will never advocate > again) was motivated by the desire to have an obvious place for people > to contact *someone* who is an ambassador about whatever they need > assistance with. That objective can be accomplished with the wiki too. > > > (3) In order for any of (2) to be successful, we need to make sure that > the > > people who are listed as Ambassadors are actually paying attention to the > > Ambassadors part of Fedora. If someone is not, it doesn't mean that they > > are a bad person -- it just means that they don't want to have to deal > with > > organizing events or asking questions from newbies to the project. > > Here is where I think there is a much simpler approach. Do they > respond to email at whatever address they have listed on the wiki. If > no that means they aren't paying attention to being the wiki face of > Fedora and probably would be fine not being a part of that piece of > the ambassador puzzle. Really at this point that is the only piece > that concerns me. > > > ... snip ... > > John > > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > Just one more note that each ambassador has a speciality or target for his/her region for Fedora and its respected community. The authority should have to think about replacement before taking any action for the inactive ambassadors. More over, we should encourage the ambassadors for his task always. Finding inactive ambassador is great but everyone should have to make sure that given task of that region is going smoothly. 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Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available URL: From me at royong.com Thu Feb 19 15:02:57 2009 From: me at royong.com (Roy Ong) Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2009 23:02:57 +0800 Subject: [Ambassadors] inactive ambassadors, a proposed solution In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1235055777.3825.34.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Thu, 2009-02-19 at 12:34 +0100, Max Spevack wrote: > The purpose of this email is to try to lay out a roadmap for solving, > once and for all, the question of inactive Fedora Ambassadors. > > GOALS OF IDENTIFYING INACTIVE AMBASSADORS: > > (1) Housekeeping. All projects need to have their membership rosters > pruned from time to time. In Ambassadors, this is particularly > important because non-Fedora people might get in touch with Ambassadors, > and if they don't receive a response, it looks like Fedora is ignorning > them. Other sub-projects for which identifying inactive ambassadors are > crucial is packaging. If someone drops off the face of the earth, their > packages need to be given to a new owner. > > Pages that need to a "refresh" policy: > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/CountryList <-- I argue that > CountryList is the wrong name for this page, and it should be called > Directory. +1 > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/MembershipService/Verification > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/Count <-- why do we even need > this page? Doesn't the CountryList page serve the same purpose? No idea. The CountryList seems to serve sufficiently unless someone can come up with an instance as to why we need a Count page ... > How often are these pages currently updated? Is the process manual or > automated, or a mixture of both? > > > (2) Give a more prominent location to the "list of ambassadors per > country". That page should be the most visited page in all of Fedora > Ambassadors. People who are trying to find out about Fedora should be > visiting it, and Ambassadors who are looking for other Fedora folks near > them should be visiting it. > > We should have something on fedoraproject.org that says "are you > interested in Fedora? Find a Fedora Ambassador near you to give you > some information" and you type in your location, and it spits back a > list of Ambassadors near you. +1 ... (roy raises both his hands in support of this) > (3) In order for any of (2) to be successful, we need to make sure that > the people who are listed as Ambassadors are actually paying attention > to the Ambassadors part of Fedora. If someone is not, it doesn't mean > that they are a bad person -- it just means that they don't want to have > to deal with organizing events or asking questions from newbies to the > project. > > I wouldn't be offended if someone removed me from the Fedora > Infrastructure group in FAS, because *I DON'T DO ANYTHING WITH FEDORA > INFRASTRUCTURE*. It doesn't mean I'm a bad person or not a Fedora > contributor, it just means that I don't participate in that part of > Fedora. > > > HOW DO WE IDENTIFY ACTIVE AMBASSADORS? > > We come up with a policy that is simple, and fair. > > An active ambassador is someone who: > > 1) Has joined the group in FAS. > 2) Reads and/or posts on fedora-ambassadors-list. > 3) Has a useful, up-to-date personal page on the Fedora wiki. (1) Done (2) Fairly consistent reader of fedora-ambassadors-list but I don't reply ... mmm, I guess I have to be more "vocal" then :P (3) Sufficient information on the wiki. It has a link to my personal site so I am definitely within reach > And does one or more of: > > * Attends or organizes an event once in a release cycle. > * Maintains a blog on Planet Fedora, with about one post per month. > * Participates on fedora-list or fedoraforum.org to help people w/ > questions. > * Indicates their willingness to mentor and guide new contributors or > new users. Mmm, this might be kind of tricky. I guess a lot of us do some form of "promotion" and "encourage" the use of Fedora in our own little ways. Event organization might be a stretch for some. Blogging is possible but some would rather do so on their preferred blogging platform like LJ or BS rather than on Planet Fedora. I don't have a better suggestion at present but I am sure we could explore this a little more. > > WHAT DO WE DO WITH INACTIVE AMBASSADORS? > > If someone is inactive, we *DO NOT* kick them out of the ambassadors > group in FAS, and we *DO NOT* remove them from fedora-ambassadors list. > > But we should remove them from the "directory of Ambassadors sorted by > country", which I argue again needs to be much more visible and useful, > so that those inactive Ambassadors aren't being asked to do > public-facing things. > > When someone re-surfaces or has more time for Ambassadors, we put them > back on the directory. 2cents suggestion ... leave the inactive ambassadors on the directory of ambassadors but flag them with an "Inactive" tag. That way, the public can still elect to contact an inactive ambassador should they feel absolutely necessary (or perhaps in an obscure situation, an "inactive" ambassador might actually provide a more prompt response than an active one :P) ... An ambassador with an "Inactive" tag for say, 6/12 months, can then be removed from the listing as per suggestion above. This prevents the sudden "disappearance" of an appointed ambassador and allows the "inactive" ambassador an opportunity to work on gaining back that "active" award before he's removed from the list. From stickster at gmail.com Thu Feb 19 15:04:37 2009 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2009 10:04:37 -0500 Subject: [Ambassadors] inactive ambassadors, a proposed solution In-Reply-To: <499D5CCE.5010604@fedoraproject.org> References: <499D5CCE.5010604@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <20090219150437.GE18190@localhost.localdomain> On Thu, Feb 19, 2009 at 01:21:18PM +0000, Frank Murphy wrote: > Max Spevack wrote: > > > > > > > > > 1) Has joined the group in FAS. > > 2) Reads and/or posts on fedora-ambassadors-list. > > 3) Has a useful, up-to-date personal page on the Fedora wiki. > > > 3) I still have trouble with, as can't seem to grasp the wiki. > > Every time text is put in it's gone the next day. Please feel free to stop by #fedora-ambassadors or even #fedora-docs if you need some help. Part of what makes this a community is our desire to help each other when we have problems. The first step is letting us know you're encountering one -- so thanks. -- Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available URL: From francesco at ephisia.org Thu Feb 19 15:50:04 2009 From: francesco at ephisia.org (Francesco Ugolini) Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2009 16:50:04 +0100 Subject: [Ambassadors] [Discussion] Reporting template for ambassadors. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Thu, Feb 19, 2009 at 3:56 AM, susmit shannigrahi wrote: > This is not about active/inactive thing. This is about *dead* > ambassadors. They are different. > > I agree nobody should be removed if inactive, they need mentoring. > I don't agree that nobody should be removed even if he left the project. If someone want to leave the project he/she has to communicate to Membership Administrators (and then FAmSCo) and he/she will be removed, but with a specific request of the person. The big problem is how we can understand if a person is inactive or dead. I know it seems a stupid question, at the end when we use the term inactive we don't talk about people that haven't do anything for an x period, but generally who isn't active. I think we have to think at the problem from the positive side. Who is active? I just answered the question in my previous mail. Who is inactive? Simply who isn't active, and the community in the last years clearly express the will that we need to focus on active community. A person isn't recoginzed simply by being member Ambassadors Account System group and having a wiki page: an Ambassador is a person that do something (from the smallest to the biggest activity) and do this for the benefit of all community. >From my side, it would be difficult to decide who could be considered dead or inactive. If someone think that he/she isn't able to do something for Fedora (in Ambassadors Project), he/she has to take on his/her own the decision to remove him/herself. To be sincere a year ago I had a different vision, but sharing with community opinions I understand the important principle that we have to start from the most important side: the active one, working, that's for sure, inviting "inactive" people joining our initiative, suggesting ideas to make them again active etc. > I am, in fact many of us are not at all interested in knowing who are inactive. > We want the ambassadors who are not anymore with fedora to be removed, > just because of the simple fact is these are coming into our way with > their dead wiki pages. It's simple to understand who is active, I just said this. You can simply see who is reporting about events/initiative, who is involved in discussion in the list/IRC and who is organizing small initiative in his city/neighbourhood or simply talk with people around him about Fedora. From the last point I agree it's difficult to measure this, but this is the primary reason I think we shouldn't think to give a person active or inactive status. > > Also I have problem with dead ambassadors personally. > > When people cone us to me and say "Fedora ambassadors are non > responsive...in spite of having 120 Ambassadors for India, nobody > helped us", I feel bad. Maybe it could be usefull, with the acceptance of the people (due to privacy policy concern), creating a page with a contact list. Ambassador "job" is a wide range "job": many people aren't directly involved in discussion in the list, but they are doing a big an precious job. The big problem is that it's not simple to verify this phenomenon: I agree if someone tell me to think about a solution for really small initiative reporting, but, as it happened one year, or more, ago, I learned that an Ambassador from a small country (take a look at the M-L) wasn't able to connect due to a concrete lack of technology: from a outer POV everyone could think he was inactive, but from a inner POV he was active. I think the idea someone expressed in the previous posts, to have a page could work, but each person would personally have to make the choice to have his name in a Contact list (please don't call it with "active" or "not inactive" tag). I'm sure this idea could be a real way to know who is available to be contacted. >From the past experience I could clearly say that just from a small event you can simply understand who is active. I hope to have cleared my thoughts. Regards Francesco Ugolini From francesco at ephisia.org Thu Feb 19 15:53:30 2009 From: francesco at ephisia.org (Francesco Ugolini) Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2009 16:53:30 +0100 Subject: [Ambassadors] inactive ambassadors, a proposed solution In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Thu, Feb 19, 2009 at 12:34 PM, Max Spevack wrote: > The purpose of this email is to try to lay out a roadmap for solving, once > and for all, the question of inactive Fedora Ambassadors. > > GOALS OF IDENTIFYING INACTIVE AMBASSADORS: > > (1) Housekeeping. All projects need to have their membership rosters pruned > from time to time. In Ambassadors, this is particularly important because > non-Fedora people might get in touch with Ambassadors, and if they don't > receive a response, it looks like Fedora is ignorning them. Other > sub-projects for which identifying inactive ambassadors are crucial is > packaging. If someone drops off the face of the earth, their packages need > to be given to a new owner. > > Pages that need to a "refresh" policy: > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/CountryList <-- I argue that > CountryList is the wrong name for this page, and it should be called > Directory. > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/MembershipService/Verification > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/Count <-- why do we even need > this page? Doesn't the CountryList page serve the same purpose? > > How often are these pages currently updated? Is the process manual or > automated, or a mixture of both? > > > (2) Give a more prominent location to the "list of ambassadors per country". > That page should be the most visited page in all of Fedora Ambassadors. > People who are trying to find out about Fedora should be visiting it, and > Ambassadors who are looking for other Fedora folks near them should be > visiting it. > > We should have something on fedoraproject.org that says "are you interested > in Fedora? Find a Fedora Ambassador near you to give you some information" > and you type in your location, and it spits back a list of Ambassadors near > you. > > > (3) In order for any of (2) to be successful, we need to make sure that the > people who are listed as Ambassadors are actually paying attention to the > Ambassadors part of Fedora. If someone is not, it doesn't mean that they > are a bad person -- it just means that they don't want to have to deal with > organizing events or asking questions from newbies to the project. > > I wouldn't be offended if someone removed me from the Fedora Infrastructure > group in FAS, because *I DON'T DO ANYTHING WITH FEDORA INFRASTRUCTURE*. It > doesn't mean I'm a bad person or not a Fedora contributor, it just means > that I don't participate in that part of Fedora. > > > HOW DO WE IDENTIFY ACTIVE AMBASSADORS? > > We come up with a policy that is simple, and fair. > > An active ambassador is someone who: > > 1) Has joined the group in FAS. > 2) Reads and/or posts on fedora-ambassadors-list. > 3) Has a useful, up-to-date personal page on the Fedora wiki. > > And does one or more of: > > * Attends or organizes an event once in a release cycle. > * Maintains a blog on Planet Fedora, with about one post per month. > * Participates on fedora-list or fedoraforum.org to help people w/ > questions. > * Indicates their willingness to mentor and guide new contributors or new > users. > > > WHAT DO WE DO WITH INACTIVE AMBASSADORS? > > If someone is inactive, we *DO NOT* kick them out of the ambassadors group > in FAS, and we *DO NOT* remove them from fedora-ambassadors list. > > But we should remove them from the "directory of Ambassadors sorted by > country", which I argue again needs to be much more visible and useful, so > that those inactive Ambassadors aren't being asked to do public-facing > things. > > When someone re-surfaces or has more time for Ambassadors, we put them back > on the directory. > > ================== > > Flame me. > > --Max > I absolutely agree with this proposal (I just give my opinions in the other related thread, please refer to my e-mail there to not repet myself). Thank you Francesco Ugolini From foss.mailinglists at gmail.com Thu Feb 19 15:58:45 2009 From: foss.mailinglists at gmail.com (Sankarshan Mukhopadhyay) Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2009 21:28:45 +0530 Subject: [Ambassadors] inactive ambassadors, a proposed solution In-Reply-To: <2d319b780902190439t4508f3eah24469016f1c2e353@mail.gmail.com> References: <2d319b780902190439t4508f3eah24469016f1c2e353@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <35586fc00902190758v601a0f85s582a6d1286078330@mail.gmail.com> On Thu, Feb 19, 2009 at 6:09 PM, Mathieu Bridon (bochecha) wrote: > To me, very few people can: the local leaders. They are the ones who > know the Ambassadors in their region and what they do. And if there's > an Ambassador in their region they never heard of, maybe it means he > is inactive... Nicely put. Completely agree. -- http://www.gutenberg.net - Fine literature digitally re-published http://www.plos.org - Public Library of Science http://www.creativecommons.org - Flexible copyright for creative work From foss.mailinglists at gmail.com Thu Feb 19 16:01:46 2009 From: foss.mailinglists at gmail.com (Sankarshan Mukhopadhyay) Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2009 21:31:46 +0530 Subject: [Ambassadors] inactive ambassadors, a proposed solution In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <35586fc00902190801s479cb329i98ad1a722d1e125b@mail.gmail.com> On Thu, Feb 19, 2009 at 5:04 PM, Max Spevack wrote: > WHAT DO WE DO WITH INACTIVE AMBASSADORS? > > If someone is inactive, we *DO NOT* kick them out of the ambassadors group > in FAS, and we *DO NOT* remove them from fedora-ambassadors list. > > But we should remove them from the "directory of Ambassadors sorted by > country", which I argue again needs to be much more visible and useful, so > that those inactive Ambassadors aren't being asked to do public-facing > things. > > When someone re-surfaces or has more time for Ambassadors, we put them back > on the directory. +1 to this and, thanks for writing this up. -- http://www.gutenberg.net - Fine literature digitally re-published http://www.plos.org - Public Library of Science http://www.creativecommons.org - Flexible copyright for creative work From lletelier at fedoraproject.org Thu Feb 19 16:03:49 2009 From: lletelier at fedoraproject.org (Larry Letelier N.) Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2009 13:03:49 -0300 Subject: [Ambassadors] change password Message-ID: <66a9d0582e33f757fad55eca09dcc100@localhost> Hi guys; . when i try to change my pass, the system fail constantly. ------------------ 500 Internal error The server encountered an unexpected condition which prevented it from fulfilling the request. ------------------ i need re-active my ambassador account. but like this i can't what can i do? greetings from chile -- Larry Letelier N. lletelier at fedoraproject.org From tatica at fedoraproject.org Thu Feb 19 16:04:49 2009 From: tatica at fedoraproject.org (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Mar=EDa_Leandro?=) Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2009 11:34:49 +1930 Subject: [Ambassadors] inactive ambassadors, a proposed solution In-Reply-To: <35586fc00902190801s479cb329i98ad1a722d1e125b@mail.gmail.com> References: <35586fc00902190801s479cb329i98ad1a722d1e125b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <27a6293b0902190804t4816f905u69c9a0c0c6f9342f@mail.gmail.com> +1 2009/2/20 Sankarshan Mukhopadhyay > On Thu, Feb 19, 2009 at 5:04 PM, Max Spevack wrote: > > > WHAT DO WE DO WITH INACTIVE AMBASSADORS? > > > > If someone is inactive, we *DO NOT* kick them out of the ambassadors > group > > in FAS, and we *DO NOT* remove them from fedora-ambassadors list. > > > > But we should remove them from the "directory of Ambassadors sorted by > > country", which I argue again needs to be much more visible and useful, > so > > that those inactive Ambassadors aren't being asked to do public-facing > > things. > > > > When someone re-surfaces or has more time for Ambassadors, we put them > back > > on the directory. > > +1 to this and, thanks for writing this up. > > -- > > http://www.gutenberg.net - Fine literature digitally re-published > http://www.plos.org - Public Library of Science > http://www.creativecommons.org - Flexible copyright for creative work > > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > -- tatica Maria Gracia Leandro http://www.tatica.org http://www.iseit.net http://www.latinux.org http://www.latinux.com http://www.fedora-ve.org http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/MariaLeandro LinuxUser= 440285 GPG Public Key: E1CDCC56 "Be yourself... 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Here what it states: | | Fedora's software and/or technical data may NOT be exported/reexported, either directly or indirectly, to the following U.S. | embargoed or restricted destinations: | | Cuba, Iran, Iraq, North Korea, Sudan or Syria. | | Please note: this list is subject to change. | I don't know what "technical data" means in legalese, but it could be interesting, as David suggested, to have a better clarification on this issue. Regards Francesco Ugolini From wcervini at fedoraproject.org Thu Feb 19 16:20:03 2009 From: wcervini at fedoraproject.org (Walter Cervini) Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2009 11:50:03 +1930 Subject: [Ambassadors] inactive ambassadors, a proposed solution In-Reply-To: <27a6293b0902190804t4816f905u69c9a0c0c6f9342f@mail.gmail.com> References: <35586fc00902190801s479cb329i98ad1a722d1e125b@mail.gmail.com> <27a6293b0902190804t4816f905u69c9a0c0c6f9342f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <9d1478d80902190820o5e9c1f2bgff20be51deb8bde@mail.gmail.com> +1 2009/2/20 Mar?a Leandro > +1 > > 2009/2/20 Sankarshan Mukhopadhyay > > On Thu, Feb 19, 2009 at 5:04 PM, Max Spevack wrote: >> >> > WHAT DO WE DO WITH INACTIVE AMBASSADORS? >> > >> > If someone is inactive, we *DO NOT* kick them out of the ambassadors >> group >> > in FAS, and we *DO NOT* remove them from fedora-ambassadors list. >> > >> > But we should remove them from the "directory of Ambassadors sorted by >> > country", which I argue again needs to be much more visible and useful, >> so >> > that those inactive Ambassadors aren't being asked to do public-facing >> > things. >> > >> > When someone re-surfaces or has more time for Ambassadors, we put them >> back >> > on the directory. >> >> +1 to this and, thanks for writing this up. >> >> -- >> >> http://www.gutenberg.net - Fine literature digitally re-published >> http://www.plos.org - Public Library of Science >> http://www.creativecommons.org - Flexible copyright for creative work >> >> -- >> Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list >> Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list >> > > > > -- > tatica > Maria Gracia Leandro > http://www.tatica.org > http://www.iseit.net > http://www.latinux.org > http://www.latinux.com > http://www.fedora-ve.org > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/MariaLeandro > LinuxUser= 440285 > GPG Public Key: E1CDCC56 > "Be yourself... Don't be anyone else" > > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > > -- W at lt3r C3rv1n| -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From angel at linux.org.bd Thu Feb 19 16:21:09 2009 From: angel at linux.org.bd (Ashiqur Rahman Angel) Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2009 22:21:09 +0600 Subject: [Ambassadors] inactive ambassadors, a proposed solution In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Thu, Feb 19, 2009 at 5:34 PM, Max Spevack wrote: > The purpose of this email is to try to lay out a roadmap for solving, once > and for all, the question of inactive Fedora Ambassadors. > > GOALS OF IDENTIFYING INACTIVE AMBASSADORS: > > (1) Housekeeping. All projects need to have their membership rosters > pruned from time to time. In Ambassadors, this is particularly important > because non-Fedora people might get in touch with Ambassadors, and if they > don't receive a response, it looks like Fedora is ignorning them. Other > sub-projects for which identifying inactive ambassadors are crucial is > packaging. If someone drops off the face of the earth, their packages need > to be given to a new owner. > > Pages that need to a "refresh" policy: > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/CountryList <-- I argue that > CountryList is the wrong name for this page, and it should be called > Directory. > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/MembershipService/Verification > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/Count <-- why do we even need > this page? Doesn't the CountryList page serve the same purpose? > > How often are these pages currently updated? Is the process manual or > automated, or a mixture of both? > > > (2) Give a more prominent location to the "list of ambassadors per > country". That page should be the most visited page in all of Fedora > Ambassadors. People who are trying to find out about Fedora should be > visiting it, and Ambassadors who are looking for other Fedora folks near > them should be visiting it. > > We should have something on fedoraproject.org that says "are you > interested in Fedora? Find a Fedora Ambassador near you to give you some > information" and you type in your location, and it spits back a list of > Ambassadors near you. > > > (3) In order for any of (2) to be successful, we need to make sure that the > people who are listed as Ambassadors are actually paying attention to the > Ambassadors part of Fedora. If someone is not, it doesn't mean that they > are a bad person -- it just means that they don't want to have to deal with > organizing events or asking questions from newbies to the project. > > I wouldn't be offended if someone removed me from the Fedora Infrastructure > group in FAS, because *I DON'T DO ANYTHING WITH FEDORA INFRASTRUCTURE*. It > doesn't mean I'm a bad person or not a Fedora contributor, it just means > that I don't participate in that part of Fedora. > > > HOW DO WE IDENTIFY ACTIVE AMBASSADORS? > > We come up with a policy that is simple, and fair. > > An active ambassador is someone who: > > 1) Has joined the group in FAS. > 2) Reads and/or posts on fedora-ambassadors-list. > 3) Has a useful, up-to-date personal page on the Fedora wiki. > > And does one or more of: > > * Attends or organizes an event once in a release cycle. > * Maintains a blog on Planet Fedora, with about one post per month. > * Participates on fedora-list or fedoraforum.org to help people w/ > questions. > * Indicates their willingness to mentor and guide new contributors or new > users. > +1 > WHAT DO WE DO WITH INACTIVE AMBASSADORS? > > If someone is inactive, we *DO NOT* kick them out of the ambassadors group > in FAS, and we *DO NOT* remove them from fedora-ambassadors list. > > But we should remove them from the "directory of Ambassadors sorted by > country", which I argue again needs to be much more visible and useful, so > that those inactive Ambassadors aren't being asked to do public-facing > things. > > When someone re-surfaces or has more time for Ambassadors, we put them back > on the directory. > > ================== > > Flame me. > > --Max > > But what do we do with inactive Ambassadors, who are inactive from a long time? Are they Ambassadors for ever??!! -- Angel http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Angel 0DF8 3CD4 AFE3 68C6 2CDA 9F17 14B8 1A15 E5F7 73C2 Fedora -- Freedom? and rapid innovation -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tatica at fedoraproject.org Thu Feb 19 16:25:45 2009 From: tatica at fedoraproject.org (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Mar=EDa_Leandro?=) Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2009 11:55:45 +1930 Subject: [Ambassadors] inactive ambassadors, a proposed solution In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <27a6293b0902190825s3ea0c475nfaa6171262417693@mail.gmail.com> We also know that we have some ambassadors that don't contribute with any project. What do we do with them? I think we should contact them an assign some task... just to incorporate them to the team 2009/2/20 Ashiqur Rahman Angel > On Thu, Feb 19, 2009 at 5:34 PM, Max Spevack wrote: > >> The purpose of this email is to try to lay out a roadmap for solving, once >> and for all, the question of inactive Fedora Ambassadors. >> >> GOALS OF IDENTIFYING INACTIVE AMBASSADORS: >> >> (1) Housekeeping. All projects need to have their membership rosters >> pruned from time to time. In Ambassadors, this is particularly important >> because non-Fedora people might get in touch with Ambassadors, and if they >> don't receive a response, it looks like Fedora is ignorning them. Other >> sub-projects for which identifying inactive ambassadors are crucial is >> packaging. If someone drops off the face of the earth, their packages need >> to be given to a new owner. >> >> Pages that need to a "refresh" policy: >> >> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/CountryList <-- I argue that >> CountryList is the wrong name for this page, and it should be called >> Directory. >> >> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/MembershipService/Verification >> >> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/Count <-- why do we even need >> this page? Doesn't the CountryList page serve the same purpose? >> >> How often are these pages currently updated? Is the process manual or >> automated, or a mixture of both? >> >> >> (2) Give a more prominent location to the "list of ambassadors per >> country". That page should be the most visited page in all of Fedora >> Ambassadors. People who are trying to find out about Fedora should be >> visiting it, and Ambassadors who are looking for other Fedora folks near >> them should be visiting it. >> >> We should have something on fedoraproject.org that says "are you >> interested in Fedora? Find a Fedora Ambassador near you to give you some >> information" and you type in your location, and it spits back a list of >> Ambassadors near you. >> >> >> (3) In order for any of (2) to be successful, we need to make sure that >> the people who are listed as Ambassadors are actually paying attention to >> the Ambassadors part of Fedora. If someone is not, it doesn't mean that >> they are a bad person -- it just means that they don't want to have to deal >> with organizing events or asking questions from newbies to the project. >> >> I wouldn't be offended if someone removed me from the Fedora >> Infrastructure group in FAS, because *I DON'T DO ANYTHING WITH FEDORA >> INFRASTRUCTURE*. It doesn't mean I'm a bad person or not a Fedora >> contributor, it just means that I don't participate in that part of Fedora. >> >> >> HOW DO WE IDENTIFY ACTIVE AMBASSADORS? >> >> We come up with a policy that is simple, and fair. >> >> An active ambassador is someone who: >> >> 1) Has joined the group in FAS. >> 2) Reads and/or posts on fedora-ambassadors-list. >> 3) Has a useful, up-to-date personal page on the Fedora wiki. >> >> And does one or more of: >> >> * Attends or organizes an event once in a release cycle. >> * Maintains a blog on Planet Fedora, with about one post per month. >> * Participates on fedora-list or fedoraforum.org to help people w/ >> questions. >> * Indicates their willingness to mentor and guide new contributors or new >> users. >> > > +1 > > >> WHAT DO WE DO WITH INACTIVE AMBASSADORS? >> >> If someone is inactive, we *DO NOT* kick them out of the ambassadors group >> in FAS, and we *DO NOT* remove them from fedora-ambassadors list. >> >> But we should remove them from the "directory of Ambassadors sorted by >> country", which I argue again needs to be much more visible and useful, so >> that those inactive Ambassadors aren't being asked to do public-facing >> things. >> >> When someone re-surfaces or has more time for Ambassadors, we put them >> back on the directory. >> >> ================== >> >> Flame me. >> >> --Max >> >> > But what do we do with inactive Ambassadors, who are inactive from a long > time? Are they Ambassadors for ever??!! > > > -- > Angel > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Angel > 0DF8 3CD4 AFE3 68C6 2CDA 9F17 14B8 1A15 E5F7 73C2 > > Fedora -- Freedom? and rapid innovation > > > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > > -- tatica Maria Gracia Leandro http://www.tatica.org http://www.iseit.net http://www.latinux.org http://www.latinux.com http://www.fedora-ve.org http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/MariaLeandro LinuxUser= 440285 GPG Public Key: E1CDCC56 "Be yourself... Don't be anyone else" -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Steven From paul at paulmellors.net Thu Feb 19 16:30:14 2009 From: paul at paulmellors.net (Paul Mellors) Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2009 16:30:14 +0000 Subject: [Ambassadors] inactive ambassadors, a proposed solution In-Reply-To: <27a6293b0902190825s3ea0c475nfaa6171262417693@mail.gmail.com> References: <27a6293b0902190825s3ea0c475nfaa6171262417693@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <499D8916.9090804@paulmellors.net> Mar?a Leandro wrote: > We also know that we have some ambassadors that don't contribute with > any project. What do we do with them? > > I think we should contact them an assign some task... just to > incorporate them to the team > Assigning tasks? Would feel like i'm back at school and i'm being given homework :) Paul From jsimon at fedoraproject.org Thu Feb 19 16:36:35 2009 From: jsimon at fedoraproject.org (Joerg Simon) Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2009 17:36:35 +0100 Subject: [Ambassadors] inactive ambassadors, a proposed solution In-Reply-To: <1235060978.14181.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1235060978.14181.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <200902191736.39612.jsimon@fedoraproject.org> Am Donnerstag 19 Februar 2009 17:29:38 schrieb Steven Moix: > I also think this is a good idea, at the same time we verify the > accuracy of the FAS accounts. Spot has promised that he verifies the FAS Accounts when he check for CLA compliance - even as Administrator of Ambassador Group i can not see all the Account Contents if the privacy flag is set -- Joerg (kital) Simon jsimon at fedoraproject.org http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/JoergSimon http://kitall.blogspot.com Key Fingerprint: 3691 0989 2DCA 58A2 8D1F 2CAC C823 558E 5B5B 5688 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 197 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part. URL: From nacross at gmail.com Thu Feb 19 16:48:02 2009 From: nacross at gmail.com (Neville A. Cross) Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2009 10:48:02 -0600 Subject: [Ambassadors] inactive ambassadors, a proposed solution In-Reply-To: <499D8916.9090804@paulmellors.net> References: <27a6293b0902190825s3ea0c475nfaa6171262417693@mail.gmail.com> <499D8916.9090804@paulmellors.net> Message-ID: On Thu, Feb 19, 2009 at 10:30 AM, Paul Mellors wrote: > Mar?a Leandro wrote: >> >> We also know that we have some ambassadors that don't contribute with any >> project. What do we do with them? >> >> I think we should contact them an assign some task... just to incorporate >> them to the team >> > > Assigning tasks? Would feel like i'm back at school and i'm being given > homework :) > > Paul I feel what Mar?a meant was something that was pointed early: Mentoring. Help people to find what to do or how to help. I think mentoring has to improve, I feel lost at some points. And there is not much people on IRC channel for mentors. But I liked the relationship: tasks <-> homework :) I really like what Max summarized. +1 -- Neville https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Yn1v Linux User # 473217 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Check: http://www.clickmanagua.com - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - From rodrigomenezes12 at yahoo.com.br Thu Feb 19 16:50:26 2009 From: rodrigomenezes12 at yahoo.com.br (Rodrigo Menezes) Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2009 13:50:26 -0300 Subject: RES: [Ambassadors] inactive ambassadors, a proposed solution In-Reply-To: <27a6293b0902190825s3ea0c475nfaa6171262417693@mail.gmail.com> References: <27a6293b0902190825s3ea0c475nfaa6171262417693@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <00de01c992b2$2b6800c0$82380240$@com.br> Mar?a, How can you identify a Ambassador who really works for the Project? Contribute as an Ambassador doesn?t mean that you need to work in a upstream Project. If I produce lectures in my city (a small city in South Brazil), I?m contributing, and this work will never be noticed by you. How can you define if I?m working or not? How can you assign task for some Ambassador who use all of his free time to distribute DVDs, produce lectures? You cannot. Cheers, Rodrigo Menezes De: fedora-ambassadors-list-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:fedora-ambassadors-list-bounces at redhat.com] Em nome de Mar?a Leandro Enviada em: quinta-feira, 19 de fevereiro de 2009 13:26 Para: fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com Assunto: Re: [Ambassadors] inactive ambassadors, a proposed solution We also know that we have some ambassadors that don't contribute with any project. What do we do with them? I think we should contact them an assign some task... just to incorporate them to the team 2009/2/20 Ashiqur Rahman Angel On Thu, Feb 19, 2009 at 5:34 PM, Max Spevack wrote: The purpose of this email is to try to lay out a roadmap for solving, once and for all, the question of inactive Fedora Ambassadors. GOALS OF IDENTIFYING INACTIVE AMBASSADORS: (1) Housekeeping. ?All projects need to have their membership rosters pruned from time to time. ?In Ambassadors, this is particularly important because non-Fedora people might get in touch with Ambassadors, and if they don't receive a response, it looks like Fedora is ignorning them. ?Other sub-projects for which identifying inactive ambassadors are crucial is packaging. ?If someone drops off the face of the earth, their packages need to be given to a new owner. Pages that need to a "refresh" policy: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/CountryList <-- I argue that CountryList is the wrong name for this page, and it should be called Directory. https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/MembershipService/Verification https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/Count <-- why do we even need this page? ?Doesn't the CountryList page serve the same purpose? How often are these pages currently updated? ?Is the process manual or automated, or a mixture of both? (2) Give a more prominent location to the "list of ambassadors per country". ?That page should be the most visited page in all of Fedora Ambassadors. ?People who are trying to find out about Fedora should be visiting it, and Ambassadors who are looking for other Fedora folks near them should be visiting it. We should have something on fedoraproject.org that says "are you interested in Fedora? ?Find a Fedora Ambassador near you to give you some information" and you type in your location, and it spits back a list of Ambassadors near you. (3) In order for any of (2) to be successful, we need to make sure that the people who are listed as Ambassadors are actually paying attention to the Ambassadors part of Fedora. ?If someone is not, it doesn't mean that they are a bad person -- it just means that they don't want to have to deal with organizing events or asking questions from newbies to the project. I wouldn't be offended if someone removed me from the Fedora Infrastructure group in FAS, because *I DON'T DO ANYTHING WITH FEDORA INFRASTRUCTURE*. ?It doesn't mean I'm a bad person or not a Fedora contributor, it just means that I don't participate in that part of Fedora. HOW DO WE IDENTIFY ACTIVE AMBASSADORS? We come up with a policy that is simple, and fair. An active ambassador is someone who: 1) Has joined the group in FAS. 2) Reads and/or posts on fedora-ambassadors-list. 3) Has a useful, up-to-date personal page on the Fedora wiki. And does one or more of: * Attends or organizes an event once in a release cycle. * Maintains a blog on Planet Fedora, with about one post per month. * Participates on fedora-list or fedoraforum.org to help people w/ questions. * Indicates their willingness to mentor and guide new contributors or new users. +1 ? WHAT DO WE DO WITH INACTIVE AMBASSADORS? If someone is inactive, we *DO NOT* kick them out of the ambassadors group in FAS, and we *DO NOT* remove them from fedora-ambassadors list. But we should remove them from the "directory of Ambassadors sorted by country", which I argue again needs to be much more visible and useful, so that those inactive Ambassadors aren't being asked to do public-facing things. When someone re-surfaces or has more time for Ambassadors, we put them back on the directory. ================== Flame me. --Max But what do we do with inactive Ambassadors, who are inactive from a long time? Are they Ambassadors for ever??!! -- Angel http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Angel 0DF8 3CD4 AFE3 68C6 2CDA 9F17 14B8 1A15 E5F7 73C2 Fedora -- Freedom? and rapid innovation -- Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list -- tatica Maria Gracia Leandro http://www.tatica.org http://www.iseit.net http://www.latinux.org http://www.latinux.com http://www.fedora-ve.org http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/MariaLeandro LinuxUser= 440285 GPG Public Key: E1CDCC56 "Be yourself... Don't be anyone else" __________________________________________________ Fa?a liga??es para outros computadores com o novo Yahoo! Messenger http://br.beta.messenger.yahoo.com/ From adliazaddin at gmail.com Thu Feb 19 16:55:58 2009 From: adliazaddin at gmail.com (Adli Azaddin) Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2009 00:55:58 +0800 Subject: [Ambassadors] inactive ambassadors, a proposed solution In-Reply-To: <00de01c992b2$2b6800c0$82380240$@com.br> References: <27a6293b0902190825s3ea0c475nfaa6171262417693@mail.gmail.com> <00de01c992b2$2b6800c0$82380240$@com.br> Message-ID: <21179be0902190855t52f60649m5e51d17d88cb5888@mail.gmail.com> i agree with Rodrigo Menezes cheers again :D On Fri, Feb 20, 2009 at 12:50 AM, Rodrigo Menezes < rodrigomenezes12 at yahoo.com.br> wrote: > Mar?a, > > How can you identify a Ambassador who really works for the Project? > > Contribute as an Ambassador doesn't mean that you need to work in a > upstream > Project. If I produce lectures in my city (a small city in South Brazil), > I'm contributing, and this work will never be noticed by you. How can you > define if I'm working or not? > > How can you assign task for some Ambassador who use all of his free time to > distribute DVDs, produce lectures? You cannot. > > Cheers, > > Rodrigo Menezes > > > > De: fedora-ambassadors-list-bounces at redhat.com > [mailto:fedora-ambassadors-list-bounces at redhat.com] Em nome de Mar?a > Leandro > Enviada em: quinta-feira, 19 de fevereiro de 2009 13:26 > Para: fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > Assunto: Re: [Ambassadors] inactive ambassadors, a proposed solution > > We also know that we have some ambassadors that don't contribute with any > project. What do we do with them? > > I think we should contact them an assign some task... just to incorporate > them to the team > > 2009/2/20 Ashiqur Rahman Angel > On Thu, Feb 19, 2009 at 5:34 PM, Max Spevack wrote: > The purpose of this email is to try to lay out a roadmap for solving, once > and for all, the question of inactive Fedora Ambassadors. > > GOALS OF IDENTIFYING INACTIVE AMBASSADORS: > > (1) Housekeeping. All projects need to have their membership rosters > pruned > from time to time. In Ambassadors, this is particularly important because > non-Fedora people might get in touch with Ambassadors, and if they don't > receive a response, it looks like Fedora is ignorning them. Other > sub-projects for which identifying inactive ambassadors are crucial is > packaging. If someone drops off the face of the earth, their packages need > to be given to a new owner. > > Pages that need to a "refresh" policy: > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/CountryList <-- I argue that > CountryList is the wrong name for this page, and it should be called > Directory. > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/MembershipService/Verification > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/Count <-- why do we even need > this page? Doesn't the CountryList page serve the same purpose? > > How often are these pages currently updated? Is the process manual or > automated, or a mixture of both? > > > (2) Give a more prominent location to the "list of ambassadors per > country". > That page should be the most visited page in all of Fedora Ambassadors. > People who are trying to find out about Fedora should be visiting it, and > Ambassadors who are looking for other Fedora folks near them should be > visiting it. > > We should have something on fedoraproject.org that says "are you > interested > in Fedora? Find a Fedora Ambassador near you to give you some information" > and you type in your location, and it spits back a list of Ambassadors near > you. > > > (3) In order for any of (2) to be successful, we need to make sure that the > people who are listed as Ambassadors are actually paying attention to the > Ambassadors part of Fedora. If someone is not, it doesn't mean that they > are a bad person -- it just means that they don't want to have to deal with > organizing events or asking questions from newbies to the project. > > I wouldn't be offended if someone removed me from the Fedora Infrastructure > group in FAS, because *I DON'T DO ANYTHING WITH FEDORA INFRASTRUCTURE*. It > doesn't mean I'm a bad person or not a Fedora contributor, it just means > that I don't participate in that part of Fedora. > > > HOW DO WE IDENTIFY ACTIVE AMBASSADORS? > > We come up with a policy that is simple, and fair. > > An active ambassador is someone who: > > 1) Has joined the group in FAS. > 2) Reads and/or posts on fedora-ambassadors-list. > 3) Has a useful, up-to-date personal page on the Fedora wiki. > > And does one or more of: > > * Attends or organizes an event once in a release cycle. > * Maintains a blog on Planet Fedora, with about one post per month. > * Participates on fedora-list or fedoraforum.org to help people w/ > questions. > * Indicates their willingness to mentor and guide new contributors or new > users. > > +1 > > WHAT DO WE DO WITH INACTIVE AMBASSADORS? > > If someone is inactive, we *DO NOT* kick them out of the ambassadors group > in FAS, and we *DO NOT* remove them from fedora-ambassadors list. > > But we should remove them from the "directory of Ambassadors sorted by > country", which I argue again needs to be much more visible and useful, so > that those inactive Ambassadors aren't being asked to do public-facing > things. > > When someone re-surfaces or has more time for Ambassadors, we put them back > on the directory. > > ================== > > Flame me. > > --Max > > But what do we do with inactive Ambassadors, who are inactive from a long > time? Are they Ambassadors for ever??!! > > > -- > Angel > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Angel > 0DF8 3CD4 AFE3 68C6 2CDA > 9F17 14B8 1A15 E5F7 73C2 > > Fedora -- Freedom? and rapid innovation > > > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > > > > -- > tatica > Maria Gracia Leandro > http://www.tatica.org > http://www.iseit.net > http://www.latinux.org > http://www.latinux.com > http://www.fedora-ve.org > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/MariaLeandro > LinuxUser= 440285 > GPG Public Key: E1CDCC56 > "Be yourself... Don't be anyone else" > > __________________________________________________ > Fa?a liga??es para outros computadores com o novo Yahoo! Messenger > http://br.beta.messenger.yahoo.com/ > > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tatica at fedoraproject.org Thu Feb 19 17:04:28 2009 From: tatica at fedoraproject.org (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Mar=EDa_Leandro?=) Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2009 12:34:28 +1930 Subject: [Ambassadors] inactive ambassadors, a proposed solution In-Reply-To: <00de01c992b2$2b6800c0$82380240$@com.br> References: <27a6293b0902190825s3ea0c475nfaa6171262417693@mail.gmail.com> <00de01c992b2$2b6800c0$82380240$@com.br> Message-ID: <27a6293b0902190904s10bf4cd8t98daeca17690887b@mail.gmail.com> get in touch. sometimes news ambassadors only join this group because they like the "@ fedoraproject.org" mail and get their names on the fedoraproject website... it should not be that way. Is not my idea say that "little countries are not important"... is the opossite; I'm in a country that is smaller that a 20 part of brazil; and we do things. My point is that be an ambassador has a purpose... and some people just forget that. so, we just need to get them in touch again and make that be a "fedora ambassador" mean something again for those "lost sheeps" (again... mentoring stuff explain with a better english by -Max-) :D 2009/2/20 Rodrigo Menezes > Mar?a, > > How can you identify a Ambassador who really works for the Project? > > Contribute as an Ambassador doesn't mean that you need to work in a > upstream > Project. If I produce lectures in my city (a small city in South Brazil), > I'm contributing, and this work will never be noticed by you. How can you > define if I'm working or not? > > How can you assign task for some Ambassador who use all of his free time to > distribute DVDs, produce lectures? You cannot. > > Cheers, > > Rodrigo Menezes > > > > De: fedora-ambassadors-list-bounces at redhat.com > [mailto:fedora-ambassadors-list-bounces at redhat.com] Em nome de Mar?a > Leandro > Enviada em: quinta-feira, 19 de fevereiro de 2009 13:26 > Para: fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > Assunto: Re: [Ambassadors] inactive ambassadors, a proposed solution > > We also know that we have some ambassadors that don't contribute with any > project. What do we do with them? > > I think we should contact them an assign some task... just to incorporate > them to the team > > 2009/2/20 Ashiqur Rahman Angel > On Thu, Feb 19, 2009 at 5:34 PM, Max Spevack wrote: > The purpose of this email is to try to lay out a roadmap for solving, once > and for all, the question of inactive Fedora Ambassadors. > > GOALS OF IDENTIFYING INACTIVE AMBASSADORS: > > (1) Housekeeping. All projects need to have their membership rosters > pruned > from time to time. In Ambassadors, this is particularly important because > non-Fedora people might get in touch with Ambassadors, and if they don't > receive a response, it looks like Fedora is ignorning them. Other > sub-projects for which identifying inactive ambassadors are crucial is > packaging. If someone drops off the face of the earth, their packages need > to be given to a new owner. > > Pages that need to a "refresh" policy: > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/CountryList <-- I argue that > CountryList is the wrong name for this page, and it should be called > Directory. > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/MembershipService/Verification > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/Count <-- why do we even need > this page? Doesn't the CountryList page serve the same purpose? > > How often are these pages currently updated? Is the process manual or > automated, or a mixture of both? > > > (2) Give a more prominent location to the "list of ambassadors per > country". > That page should be the most visited page in all of Fedora Ambassadors. > People who are trying to find out about Fedora should be visiting it, and > Ambassadors who are looking for other Fedora folks near them should be > visiting it. > > We should have something on fedoraproject.org that says "are you > interested > in Fedora? Find a Fedora Ambassador near you to give you some information" > and you type in your location, and it spits back a list of Ambassadors near > you. > > > (3) In order for any of (2) to be successful, we need to make sure that the > people who are listed as Ambassadors are actually paying attention to the > Ambassadors part of Fedora. If someone is not, it doesn't mean that they > are a bad person -- it just means that they don't want to have to deal with > organizing events or asking questions from newbies to the project. > > I wouldn't be offended if someone removed me from the Fedora Infrastructure > group in FAS, because *I DON'T DO ANYTHING WITH FEDORA INFRASTRUCTURE*. It > doesn't mean I'm a bad person or not a Fedora contributor, it just means > that I don't participate in that part of Fedora. > > > HOW DO WE IDENTIFY ACTIVE AMBASSADORS? > > We come up with a policy that is simple, and fair. > > An active ambassador is someone who: > > 1) Has joined the group in FAS. > 2) Reads and/or posts on fedora-ambassadors-list. > 3) Has a useful, up-to-date personal page on the Fedora wiki. > > And does one or more of: > > * Attends or organizes an event once in a release cycle. > * Maintains a blog on Planet Fedora, with about one post per month. > * Participates on fedora-list or fedoraforum.org to help people w/ > questions. > * Indicates their willingness to mentor and guide new contributors or new > users. > > +1 > > WHAT DO WE DO WITH INACTIVE AMBASSADORS? > > If someone is inactive, we *DO NOT* kick them out of the ambassadors group > in FAS, and we *DO NOT* remove them from fedora-ambassadors list. > > But we should remove them from the "directory of Ambassadors sorted by > country", which I argue again needs to be much more visible and useful, so > that those inactive Ambassadors aren't being asked to do public-facing > things. > > When someone re-surfaces or has more time for Ambassadors, we put them back > on the directory. > > ================== > > Flame me. > > --Max > > But what do we do with inactive Ambassadors, who are inactive from a long > time? Are they Ambassadors for ever??!! > > > -- > Angel > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Angel > 0DF8 3CD4 AFE3 68C6 2CDA > 9F17 14B8 1A15 E5F7 73C2 > > Fedora -- Freedom? and rapid innovation > > > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > > > > -- > tatica > Maria Gracia Leandro > http://www.tatica.org > http://www.iseit.net > http://www.latinux.org > http://www.latinux.com > http://www.fedora-ve.org > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/MariaLeandro > LinuxUser= 440285 > GPG Public Key: E1CDCC56 > "Be yourself... Don't be anyone else" > > __________________________________________________ > Fa?a liga??es para outros computadores com o novo Yahoo! Messenger > http://br.beta.messenger.yahoo.com/ > > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > -- tatica Maria Gracia Leandro http://www.tatica.org http://www.iseit.net http://www.latinux.org http://www.latinux.com http://www.fedora-ve.org http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/MariaLeandro LinuxUser= 440285 GPG Public Key: E1CDCC56 "Be yourself... Don't be anyone else" -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From adliazaddin at gmail.com Thu Feb 19 17:07:30 2009 From: adliazaddin at gmail.com (Adli Azaddin) Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2009 01:07:30 +0800 Subject: [Ambassadors] inactive ambassadors, a proposed solution In-Reply-To: <27a6293b0902190904s10bf4cd8t98daeca17690887b@mail.gmail.com> References: <27a6293b0902190825s3ea0c475nfaa6171262417693@mail.gmail.com> <00de01c992b2$2b6800c0$82380240$@com.br> <27a6293b0902190904s10bf4cd8t98daeca17690887b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <21179be0902190907y345a8007p59539cc31544351a@mail.gmail.com> maybe you should define inactive more clearly thanks :D 2009/2/20 Mar?a Leandro > get in touch. > > sometimes news ambassadors only join this group because they like the "@ > fedoraproject.org" mail and get their names on the fedoraproject > website... it should not be that way. > > Is not my idea say that "little countries are not important"... is the > opossite; I'm in a country that is smaller that a 20 part of brazil; and we > do things. My point is that be an ambassador has a purpose... and some > people just forget that. so, we just need to get them in touch again and > make that be a "fedora ambassador" mean something again for those "lost > sheeps" (again... mentoring stuff explain with a better english by -Max-) :D > > > > > > 2009/2/20 Rodrigo Menezes > > Mar?a, >> >> How can you identify a Ambassador who really works for the Project? >> >> Contribute as an Ambassador doesn't mean that you need to work in a >> upstream >> Project. If I produce lectures in my city (a small city in South Brazil), >> I'm contributing, and this work will never be noticed by you. How can you >> define if I'm working or not? >> >> How can you assign task for some Ambassador who use all of his free time >> to >> distribute DVDs, produce lectures? You cannot. >> >> Cheers, >> >> Rodrigo Menezes >> >> >> >> De: fedora-ambassadors-list-bounces at redhat.com >> [mailto:fedora-ambassadors-list-bounces at redhat.com] Em nome de Mar?a >> Leandro >> Enviada em: quinta-feira, 19 de fevereiro de 2009 13:26 >> Para: fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com >> Assunto: Re: [Ambassadors] inactive ambassadors, a proposed solution >> >> We also know that we have some ambassadors that don't contribute with any >> project. What do we do with them? >> >> I think we should contact them an assign some task... just to incorporate >> them to the team >> >> 2009/2/20 Ashiqur Rahman Angel >> On Thu, Feb 19, 2009 at 5:34 PM, Max Spevack wrote: >> The purpose of this email is to try to lay out a roadmap for solving, once >> and for all, the question of inactive Fedora Ambassadors. >> >> GOALS OF IDENTIFYING INACTIVE AMBASSADORS: >> >> (1) Housekeeping. All projects need to have their membership rosters >> pruned >> from time to time. In Ambassadors, this is particularly important because >> non-Fedora people might get in touch with Ambassadors, and if they don't >> receive a response, it looks like Fedora is ignorning them. Other >> sub-projects for which identifying inactive ambassadors are crucial is >> packaging. If someone drops off the face of the earth, their packages >> need >> to be given to a new owner. >> >> Pages that need to a "refresh" policy: >> >> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/CountryList <-- I argue that >> CountryList is the wrong name for this page, and it should be called >> Directory. >> >> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/MembershipService/Verification >> >> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/Count <-- why do we even need >> this page? Doesn't the CountryList page serve the same purpose? >> >> How often are these pages currently updated? Is the process manual or >> automated, or a mixture of both? >> >> >> (2) Give a more prominent location to the "list of ambassadors per >> country". >> That page should be the most visited page in all of Fedora Ambassadors. >> People who are trying to find out about Fedora should be visiting it, and >> Ambassadors who are looking for other Fedora folks near them should be >> visiting it. >> >> We should have something on fedoraproject.org that says "are you >> interested >> in Fedora? Find a Fedora Ambassador near you to give you some >> information" >> and you type in your location, and it spits back a list of Ambassadors >> near >> you. >> >> >> (3) In order for any of (2) to be successful, we need to make sure that >> the >> people who are listed as Ambassadors are actually paying attention to the >> Ambassadors part of Fedora. If someone is not, it doesn't mean that they >> are a bad person -- it just means that they don't want to have to deal >> with >> organizing events or asking questions from newbies to the project. >> >> I wouldn't be offended if someone removed me from the Fedora >> Infrastructure >> group in FAS, because *I DON'T DO ANYTHING WITH FEDORA INFRASTRUCTURE*. >> It >> doesn't mean I'm a bad person or not a Fedora contributor, it just means >> that I don't participate in that part of Fedora. >> >> >> HOW DO WE IDENTIFY ACTIVE AMBASSADORS? >> >> We come up with a policy that is simple, and fair. >> >> An active ambassador is someone who: >> >> 1) Has joined the group in FAS. >> 2) Reads and/or posts on fedora-ambassadors-list. >> 3) Has a useful, up-to-date personal page on the Fedora wiki. >> >> And does one or more of: >> >> * Attends or organizes an event once in a release cycle. >> * Maintains a blog on Planet Fedora, with about one post per month. >> * Participates on fedora-list or fedoraforum.org to help people w/ >> questions. >> * Indicates their willingness to mentor and guide new contributors or new >> users. >> >> +1 >> >> WHAT DO WE DO WITH INACTIVE AMBASSADORS? >> >> If someone is inactive, we *DO NOT* kick them out of the ambassadors group >> in FAS, and we *DO NOT* remove them from fedora-ambassadors list. >> >> But we should remove them from the "directory of Ambassadors sorted by >> country", which I argue again needs to be much more visible and useful, so >> that those inactive Ambassadors aren't being asked to do public-facing >> things. >> >> When someone re-surfaces or has more time for Ambassadors, we put them >> back >> on the directory. >> >> ================== >> >> Flame me. >> >> --Max >> >> But what do we do with inactive Ambassadors, who are inactive from a long >> time? Are they Ambassadors for ever??!! >> >> >> -- >> Angel >> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Angel >> 0DF8 3CD4 AFE3 68C6 >> 2CDA 9F17 14B8 1A15 E5F7 73C2 >> >> Fedora -- Freedom? and rapid innovation >> >> >> -- >> Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list >> Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list >> >> >> >> -- >> tatica >> Maria Gracia Leandro >> http://www.tatica.org >> http://www.iseit.net >> http://www.latinux.org >> http://www.latinux.com >> http://www.fedora-ve.org >> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/MariaLeandro >> LinuxUser= 440285 >> GPG Public Key: E1CDCC56 >> "Be yourself... Don't be anyone else" >> >> __________________________________________________ >> Fa?a liga??es para outros computadores com o novo Yahoo! 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URL: From rodrigomenezes12 at yahoo.com.br Thu Feb 19 17:21:24 2009 From: rodrigomenezes12 at yahoo.com.br (Rodrigo Menezes) Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2009 14:21:24 -0300 Subject: RES: [Ambassadors] inactive ambassadors, a proposed solution In-Reply-To: <21179be0902190855t52f60649m5e51d17d88cb5888@mail.gmail.com> References: <27a6293b0902190825s3ea0c475nfaa6171262417693@mail.gmail.com> <00de01c992b2$2b6800c0$82380240$@com.br> <21179be0902190855t52f60649m5e51d17d88cb5888@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <00e801c992b6$7ee04560$7ca0d020$@com.br> I don?t know how these works in the rest of the world, but I?m one of the firsts Ambassadors in Brazil. We are 44 Ambassadors here, and we know who is working and who isn?t. To be more focused in our country, we created a local mail list, and are working to provide local actions. In this mean time, 5 long years, we talked with Fedora Board to remove inactive Ambassadors, but how we set who is working and who isn?t? We don?t, we just try to contact every Ambassador, from time to time, to get an report of their actions. I can tell you that 10% or 20% doesn't even respond our e-mails. We know that more 10% or 20% isn't working with Fedora, assign Ambassador Group to have their name in our staff. In this situation I believe necessary a kick off, only in this situation. Cheers, Rodrigo Menezes De: fedora-ambassadors-list-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:fedora-ambassadors-list-bounces at redhat.com] Em nome de Adli Azaddin Enviada em: quinta-feira, 19 de fevereiro de 2009 13:56 Para: fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com Assunto: Re: [Ambassadors] inactive ambassadors, a proposed solution i agree with Rodrigo Menezes cheers again :D On Fri, Feb 20, 2009 at 12:50 AM, Rodrigo Menezes wrote: Mar?a, How can you identify a Ambassador who really works for the Project? Contribute as an Ambassador doesn't mean that you need to work in a upstream Project. If I produce lectures in my city (a small city in South Brazil), I'm contributing, and this work will never be noticed by you. How can you define if I'm working or not? How can you assign task for some Ambassador who use all of his free time to distribute DVDs, produce lectures? You cannot. Cheers, Rodrigo Menezes De: fedora-ambassadors-list-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:fedora-ambassadors-list-bounces at redhat.com] Em nome de Mar?a Leandro Enviada em: quinta-feira, 19 de fevereiro de 2009 13:26 Para: fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com Assunto: Re: [Ambassadors] inactive ambassadors, a proposed solution We also know that we have some ambassadors that don't contribute with any project. What do we do with them? I think we should contact them an assign some task... just to incorporate them to the team 2009/2/20 Ashiqur Rahman Angel On Thu, Feb 19, 2009 at 5:34 PM, Max Spevack wrote: The purpose of this email is to try to lay out a roadmap for solving, once and for all, the question of inactive Fedora Ambassadors. GOALS OF IDENTIFYING INACTIVE AMBASSADORS: (1) Housekeeping. ?All projects need to have their membership rosters pruned from time to time. ?In Ambassadors, this is particularly important because non-Fedora people might get in touch with Ambassadors, and if they don't receive a response, it looks like Fedora is ignorning them. ?Other sub-projects for which identifying inactive ambassadors are crucial is packaging. ?If someone drops off the face of the earth, their packages need to be given to a new owner. Pages that need to a "refresh" policy: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/CountryList <-- I argue that CountryList is the wrong name for this page, and it should be called Directory. https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/MembershipService/Verification https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/Count <-- why do we even need this page? ?Doesn't the CountryList page serve the same purpose? How often are these pages currently updated? ?Is the process manual or automated, or a mixture of both? (2) Give a more prominent location to the "list of ambassadors per country". ?That page should be the most visited page in all of Fedora Ambassadors. ?People who are trying to find out about Fedora should be visiting it, and Ambassadors who are looking for other Fedora folks near them should be visiting it. We should have something on fedoraproject.org that says "are you interested in Fedora? ?Find a Fedora Ambassador near you to give you some information" and you type in your location, and it spits back a list of Ambassadors near you. (3) In order for any of (2) to be successful, we need to make sure that the people who are listed as Ambassadors are actually paying attention to the Ambassadors part of Fedora. ?If someone is not, it doesn't mean that they are a bad person -- it just means that they don't want to have to deal with organizing events or asking questions from newbies to the project. I wouldn't be offended if someone removed me from the Fedora Infrastructure group in FAS, because *I DON'T DO ANYTHING WITH FEDORA INFRASTRUCTURE*. ?It doesn't mean I'm a bad person or not a Fedora contributor, it just means that I don't participate in that part of Fedora. HOW DO WE IDENTIFY ACTIVE AMBASSADORS? We come up with a policy that is simple, and fair. An active ambassador is someone who: 1) Has joined the group in FAS. 2) Reads and/or posts on fedora-ambassadors-list. 3) Has a useful, up-to-date personal page on the Fedora wiki. And does one or more of: * Attends or organizes an event once in a release cycle. * Maintains a blog on Planet Fedora, with about one post per month. * Participates on fedora-list or fedoraforum.org to help people w/ questions. * Indicates their willingness to mentor and guide new contributors or new users. +1 ? WHAT DO WE DO WITH INACTIVE AMBASSADORS? If someone is inactive, we *DO NOT* kick them out of the ambassadors group in FAS, and we *DO NOT* remove them from fedora-ambassadors list. But we should remove them from the "directory of Ambassadors sorted by country", which I argue again needs to be much more visible and useful, so that those inactive Ambassadors aren't being asked to do public-facing things. When someone re-surfaces or has more time for Ambassadors, we put them back on the directory. ================== Flame me. --Max But what do we do with inactive Ambassadors, who are inactive from a long time? Are they Ambassadors for ever??!! -- Angel http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Angel 0DF8 3CD4 AFE3 68C6 2CDA 9F17 14B8 1A15 E5F7 73C2 Fedora -- Freedom? and rapid innovation -- Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list -- tatica Maria Gracia Leandro http://www.tatica.org http://www.iseit.net http://www.latinux.org http://www.latinux.com http://www.fedora-ve.org http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/MariaLeandro LinuxUser= 440285 GPG Public Key: E1CDCC56 "Be yourself... Don't be anyone else" __________________________________________________ Fa?a liga??es para outros computadores com o novo Yahoo! Messenger http://br.beta.messenger.yahoo.com/ -- Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list _______________________________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - Sempre a melhor op??o para voc?! Experimente j? e veja as novidades. http://br.yahoo.com/mailbeta/tudonovo/ From angel at linux.org.bd Thu Feb 19 17:24:52 2009 From: angel at linux.org.bd (Ashiqur Rahman Angel) Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2009 23:24:52 +0600 Subject: [Ambassadors] inactive ambassadors, a proposed solution In-Reply-To: <27a6293b0902190904s10bf4cd8t98daeca17690887b@mail.gmail.com> References: <27a6293b0902190825s3ea0c475nfaa6171262417693@mail.gmail.com> <00de01c992b2$2b6800c0$82380240$@com.br> <27a6293b0902190904s10bf4cd8t98daeca17690887b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: 2009/2/19 Mar?a Leandro > t my idea say that "little countries are not important"... is the opossite; > I'm in a country that is smaller that a 20 part of brazil; and we do things. > My point is that be an ambassador has a purpose... and some people just > forget that. so, we just need to get them in touch again and make that be a > "fedora ambassador" mean something again for those "lost sheeps" (again... > mentoring stuff explain with a better english by -Max-) :D > +1 Exactly, what I want to say. This is same about my country also, like Mar?a explained. -- Angel http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Angel 0DF8 3CD4 AFE3 68C6 2CDA 9F17 14B8 1A15 E5F7 73C2 Fedora -- Freedom? and rapid innovation -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rodrigomenezes12 at yahoo.com.br Thu Feb 19 17:27:17 2009 From: rodrigomenezes12 at yahoo.com.br (Rodrigo Menezes) Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2009 14:27:17 -0300 Subject: RES: [Ambassadors] inactive ambassadors, a proposed solution In-Reply-To: <27a6293b0902190904s10bf4cd8t98daeca17690887b@mail.gmail.com> References: <27a6293b0902190825s3ea0c475nfaa6171262417693@mail.gmail.com> <00de01c992b2$2b6800c0$82380240$@com.br> <27a6293b0902190904s10bf4cd8t98daeca17690887b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <010401c992b7$50f60260$f2e20720$@com.br> Mar?a, I understood your point of view, and I agree with you in parts. But I my opinion, a mentoring situation is not the appropriated one. I don't feel comfortable having someone telling me what to do in my collaborative job. For this case, a "by country" group can control this actions. Not to tell an ambassador what he should do, but to watch his work, get reports. Off course, all big actions in some country need more contributors, we need more people in our magazine, updating our portal, etc., but we ONLY need people interested to put their hands to work. +1 to local groups (by country) to control local Ambassador membership. Cheers, Rodrigo Menezes De: fedora-ambassadors-list-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:fedora-ambassadors-list-bounces at redhat.com] Em nome de Mar?a Leandro Enviada em: quinta-feira, 19 de fevereiro de 2009 14:04 Para: fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com Assunto: Re: [Ambassadors] inactive ambassadors, a proposed solution get in touch. sometimes news ambassadors only join this group because they like the "@fedoraproject.org" mail and get their names on the fedoraproject website... it should not be that way. Is not my idea say that "little countries are not important"... is the opossite; I'm in a country that is smaller that a 20 part of brazil; and we do things. My point is that be an ambassador has a purpose... and some people just forget that. so, we just need to get them in touch again and make that be a "fedora ambassador" mean something again for those "lost sheeps" (again... mentoring stuff explain with a better english by -Max-) :D 2009/2/20 Rodrigo Menezes Mar?a, How can you identify a Ambassador who really works for the Project? Contribute as an Ambassador doesn't mean that you need to work in a upstream Project. If I produce lectures in my city (a small city in South Brazil), I'm contributing, and this work will never be noticed by you. How can you define if I'm working or not? How can you assign task for some Ambassador who use all of his free time to distribute DVDs, produce lectures? You cannot. Cheers, Rodrigo Menezes De: fedora-ambassadors-list-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:fedora-ambassadors-list-bounces at redhat.com] Em nome de Mar?a Leandro Enviada em: quinta-feira, 19 de fevereiro de 2009 13:26 Para: fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com Assunto: Re: [Ambassadors] inactive ambassadors, a proposed solution We also know that we have some ambassadors that don't contribute with any project. What do we do with them? I think we should contact them an assign some task... just to incorporate them to the team 2009/2/20 Ashiqur Rahman Angel On Thu, Feb 19, 2009 at 5:34 PM, Max Spevack wrote: The purpose of this email is to try to lay out a roadmap for solving, once and for all, the question of inactive Fedora Ambassadors. GOALS OF IDENTIFYING INACTIVE AMBASSADORS: (1) Housekeeping. ?All projects need to have their membership rosters pruned from time to time. ?In Ambassadors, this is particularly important because non-Fedora people might get in touch with Ambassadors, and if they don't receive a response, it looks like Fedora is ignorning them. ?Other sub-projects for which identifying inactive ambassadors are crucial is packaging. ?If someone drops off the face of the earth, their packages need to be given to a new owner. Pages that need to a "refresh" policy: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/CountryList <-- I argue that CountryList is the wrong name for this page, and it should be called Directory. https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/MembershipService/Verification https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/Count <-- why do we even need this page? ?Doesn't the CountryList page serve the same purpose? How often are these pages currently updated? ?Is the process manual or automated, or a mixture of both? (2) Give a more prominent location to the "list of ambassadors per country". ?That page should be the most visited page in all of Fedora Ambassadors. ?People who are trying to find out about Fedora should be visiting it, and Ambassadors who are looking for other Fedora folks near them should be visiting it. We should have something on fedoraproject.org that says "are you interested in Fedora? ?Find a Fedora Ambassador near you to give you some information" and you type in your location, and it spits back a list of Ambassadors near you. (3) In order for any of (2) to be successful, we need to make sure that the people who are listed as Ambassadors are actually paying attention to the Ambassadors part of Fedora. ?If someone is not, it doesn't mean that they are a bad person -- it just means that they don't want to have to deal with organizing events or asking questions from newbies to the project. I wouldn't be offended if someone removed me from the Fedora Infrastructure group in FAS, because *I DON'T DO ANYTHING WITH FEDORA INFRASTRUCTURE*. ?It doesn't mean I'm a bad person or not a Fedora contributor, it just means that I don't participate in that part of Fedora. HOW DO WE IDENTIFY ACTIVE AMBASSADORS? We come up with a policy that is simple, and fair. An active ambassador is someone who: 1) Has joined the group in FAS. 2) Reads and/or posts on fedora-ambassadors-list. 3) Has a useful, up-to-date personal page on the Fedora wiki. And does one or more of: * Attends or organizes an event once in a release cycle. * Maintains a blog on Planet Fedora, with about one post per month. * Participates on fedora-list or fedoraforum.org to help people w/ questions. * Indicates their willingness to mentor and guide new contributors or new users. +1 ? WHAT DO WE DO WITH INACTIVE AMBASSADORS? If someone is inactive, we *DO NOT* kick them out of the ambassadors group in FAS, and we *DO NOT* remove them from fedora-ambassadors list. But we should remove them from the "directory of Ambassadors sorted by country", which I argue again needs to be much more visible and useful, so that those inactive Ambassadors aren't being asked to do public-facing things. When someone re-surfaces or has more time for Ambassadors, we put them back on the directory. ================== Flame me. --Max But what do we do with inactive Ambassadors, who are inactive from a long time? Are they Ambassadors for ever??!! -- Angel http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Angel 0DF8 3CD4 AFE3 68C6 2CDA 9F17 14B8 1A15 E5F7 73C2 Fedora -- Freedom? and rapid innovation -- Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list -- tatica Maria Gracia Leandro http://www.tatica.org http://www.iseit.net http://www.latinux.org http://www.latinux.com http://www.fedora-ve.org http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/MariaLeandro LinuxUser= 440285 GPG Public Key: E1CDCC56 "Be yourself... Don't be anyone else" __________________________________________________ Fa?a liga??es para outros computadores com o novo Yahoo! Messenger http://br.beta.messenger.yahoo.com/ -- Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list -- tatica Maria Gracia Leandro http://www.tatica.org http://www.iseit.net http://www.latinux.org http://www.latinux.com http://www.fedora-ve.org http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/MariaLeandro LinuxUser= 440285 GPG Public Key: E1CDCC56 "Be yourself... Don't be anyone else" __________________________________________________ Fa?a liga??es para outros computadores com o novo Yahoo! Messenger http://br.beta.messenger.yahoo.com/ From bamirthampr at in.com Thu Feb 19 17:44:16 2009 From: bamirthampr at in.com (Amirtham purendra raman bala) Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2009 23:14:16 +0530 Subject: =?UTF-8?B?RndkOlJlOiBbQW1iYXNzYWRvcnNdIGluYWN0aXZlIGFtYmFzc2Fkb3JzLCBhIHByb3Bvc2VkIHNvbHV0aW9u?= In-Reply-To: <9d1478d80902190820o5e9c1f2bgff20be51deb8bde@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1235065456.0ad5292c158f3924f8b480367fcbeb94@mail.in.com> Original message From:Walter Cervini< wcervini at fedoraproject.org >Date: 19 Feb 09 21:50:03Subject:Re: [Ambassadors] inactive ambassadors, a proposed solutionTo: fedoraambassadorslist at redhat.com+12009/2/20 Mar?a Leandro+12009/2/20 Sankarshan Mukhopadhyay On Thu, Feb 19, 2009 at 5:04 PM, Max Spevackwrote:> WHAT DO WE DO WITH INACTIVE AMBASSADORS? > > If someone is inactive, we *DO NOT* kick them out of the ambassadors group > in FAS, and we *DO NOT* remove them from fedoraambassadors list. > > But we should remove them from the "directory of Ambassadors sorted by > country", which I argue again needs to be much more visible and useful, so > that those inactive Ambassadors aren't being asked to do publicfacing > things. > > When someone resurfaces or has more time for Ambassadors, we put them back > on the directory.+1 to this and, thanks for writing this up.http://www.gutenberg..net Fine literature digitally republished http://www.plos.org Public Library of Science http:// www.creativecommons.org Flexible copyright for creative work Fedoraambassadorslist mailing list Fedoraambassadorslist at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedoraambassadorslist taticaMaria Gracia Leandrohttp://www.tatica.orghttp://www.iseit.net http://www.latinux.org http://www.latinux.comhttp://www.fedorave.orghttp://fedoraproject.org/wiki/MariaLeandroLinuxUser= 440285GPG Public Key: E1CDCC56"Be yourself... Don't be anyone else" Fedoraambassadorslist mailing list Fedoraambassadorslist at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedoraambassadorslist W at lt3r C3rv1n| -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shambo.linux at gmail.com Thu Feb 19 17:45:46 2009 From: shambo.linux at gmail.com (Shambo Bose) Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2009 23:15:46 +0530 Subject: [Ambassadors] inactive ambassadors, a proposed solution In-Reply-To: <010401c992b7$50f60260$f2e20720$@com.br> References: <27a6293b0902190825s3ea0c475nfaa6171262417693@mail.gmail.com> <00de01c992b2$2b6800c0$82380240$@com.br> <27a6293b0902190904s10bf4cd8t98daeca17690887b@mail.gmail.com> <010401c992b7$50f60260$f2e20720$@com.br> Message-ID: On Thu, Feb 19, 2009 at 10:57 PM, Rodrigo Menezes < rodrigomenezes12 at yahoo.com.br> wrote: > Mar?a, I understood your point of view, and I agree with you in parts. > > But I my opinion, a mentoring situation is not the appropriated one. I > don't > feel comfortable having someone telling me what to do in my collaborative > job. For this case, a "by country" group can control this actions. Not to > tell an ambassador what he should do, but to watch his work, get reports. > Off course, all big actions in some country need more contributors, we need > more people in our magazine, updating our portal, etc., but we ONLY need > people interested to put their hands to work. > > +1 to local groups (by country) to control local Ambassador membership. > > Cheers, > > Rodrigo Menezes > > > > De: fedora-ambassadors-list-bounces at redhat.com > [mailto:fedora-ambassadors-list-bounces at redhat.com] Em nome de Mar?a > Leandro > Enviada em: quinta-feira, 19 de fevereiro de 2009 14:04 > Para: fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > Assunto: Re: [Ambassadors] inactive ambassadors, a proposed solution > > get in touch. > > sometimes news ambassadors only join this group because they like the > "@fedoraproject.org" mail and get their names on the fedoraproject > website... it should not be that way. > > Is not my idea say that "little countries are not important"... is the > opossite; I'm in a country that is smaller that a 20 part of brazil; and we > do things. My point is that be an ambassador has a purpose... and some > people just forget that. so, we just need to get them in touch again and > make that be a "fedora ambassador" mean something again for those "lost > sheeps" (again... mentoring stuff explain with a better english by -Max-) > :D > > > > > 2009/2/20 Rodrigo Menezes > Mar?a, > > How can you identify a Ambassador who really works for the Project? > > Contribute as an Ambassador doesn't mean that you need to work in a > upstream > Project. If I produce lectures in my city (a small city in South Brazil), > I'm contributing, and this work will never be noticed by you. How can you > define if I'm working or not? > > How can you assign task for some Ambassador who use all of his free time to > distribute DVDs, produce lectures? You cannot. > > Cheers, > > Rodrigo Menezes > > > > De: fedora-ambassadors-list-bounces at redhat.com > [mailto:fedora-ambassadors-list-bounces at redhat.com] Em nome de Mar?a > Leandro > Enviada em: quinta-feira, 19 de fevereiro de 2009 13:26 > Para: fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > Assunto: Re: [Ambassadors] inactive ambassadors, a proposed solution > > We also know that we have some ambassadors that don't contribute with any > project. What do we do with them? > > I think we should contact them an assign some task... just to incorporate > them to the team > > 2009/2/20 Ashiqur Rahman Angel > On Thu, Feb 19, 2009 at 5:34 PM, Max Spevack wrote: > The purpose of this email is to try to lay out a roadmap for solving, once > and for all, the question of inactive Fedora Ambassadors. > > GOALS OF IDENTIFYING INACTIVE AMBASSADORS: > > (1) Housekeeping. All projects need to have their membership rosters > pruned > from time to time. In Ambassadors, this is particularly important because > non-Fedora people might get in touch with Ambassadors, and if they don't > receive a response, it looks like Fedora is ignorning them. Other > sub-projects for which identifying inactive ambassadors are crucial is > packaging. If someone drops off the face of the earth, their packages need > to be given to a new owner. > > Pages that need to a "refresh" policy: > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/CountryList <-- I argue that > CountryList is the wrong name for this page, and it should be called > Directory. > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/MembershipService/Verification > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/Count <-- why do we even need > this page? Doesn't the CountryList page serve the same purpose? > > How often are these pages currently updated? Is the process manual or > automated, or a mixture of both? > > > (2) Give a more prominent location to the "list of ambassadors per > country". > That page should be the most visited page in all of Fedora Ambassadors. > People who are trying to find out about Fedora should be visiting it, and > Ambassadors who are looking for other Fedora folks near them should be > visiting it. > > We should have something on fedoraproject.org that says "are you > interested > in Fedora? Find a Fedora Ambassador near you to give you some information" > and you type in your location, and it spits back a list of Ambassadors near > you. > > > (3) In order for any of (2) to be successful, we need to make sure that the > people who are listed as Ambassadors are actually paying attention to the > Ambassadors part of Fedora. If someone is not, it doesn't mean that they > are a bad person -- it just means that they don't want to have to deal with > organizing events or asking questions from newbies to the project. > > I wouldn't be offended if someone removed me from the Fedora Infrastructure > group in FAS, because *I DON'T DO ANYTHING WITH FEDORA INFRASTRUCTURE*. It > doesn't mean I'm a bad person or not a Fedora contributor, it just means > that I don't participate in that part of Fedora. > > > HOW DO WE IDENTIFY ACTIVE AMBASSADORS? > > We come up with a policy that is simple, and fair. > > An active ambassador is someone who: > > 1) Has joined the group in FAS. > 2) Reads and/or posts on fedora-ambassadors-list. > 3) Has a useful, up-to-date personal page on the Fedora wiki. > > And does one or more of: > > * Attends or organizes an event once in a release cycle. > * Maintains a blog on Planet Fedora, with about one post per month. > * Participates on fedora-list or fedoraforum.org to help people w/ > questions. > * Indicates their willingness to mentor and guide new contributors or new > users. > > +1 > > WHAT DO WE DO WITH INACTIVE AMBASSADORS? > > If someone is inactive, we *DO NOT* kick them out of the ambassadors group > in FAS, and we *DO NOT* remove them from fedora-ambassadors list. > > But we should remove them from the "directory of Ambassadors sorted by > country", which I argue again needs to be much more visible and useful, so > that those inactive Ambassadors aren't being asked to do public-facing > things. > > When someone re-surfaces or has more time for Ambassadors, we put them back > on the directory. > > ================== > > Flame me. > > --Max > > But what do we do with inactive Ambassadors, who are inactive from a long > time? Are they Ambassadors for ever??!! > > > -- > Angel > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Angel > 0DF8 3CD4 AFE3 68C6 2CDA > 9F17 14B8 1A15 E5F7 73C2 > > Fedora -- Freedom? and rapid innovation > > > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > > > > -- > tatica > Maria Gracia Leandro > http://www.tatica.org > http://www.iseit.net > http://www.latinux.org > http://www.latinux.com > http://www.fedora-ve.org > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/MariaLeandro > LinuxUser= 440285 > GPG Public Key: E1CDCC56 > "Be yourself... Don't be anyone else" > __________________________________________________ > Fa?a liga??es para outros computadores com o novo Yahoo! Messenger > http://br.beta.messenger.yahoo.com/ > > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > > > > -- > tatica > Maria Gracia Leandro > http://www.tatica.org > http://www.iseit.net > http://www.latinux.org > http://www.latinux.com > http://www.fedora-ve.org > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/MariaLeandro > LinuxUser= 440285 > GPG Public Key: E1CDCC56 > "Be yourself... Don't be anyone else" > > __________________________________________________ > Fa?a liga??es para outros computadores com o novo Yahoo! Messenger > http://br.beta.messenger.yahoo.com/ > > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > +1 to local groups to control local Ambassador membership. Shambo Bose -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rtnpro at gmail.com Thu Feb 19 17:56:14 2009 From: rtnpro at gmail.com (Ratnadeep Debnath) Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2009 23:26:14 +0530 Subject: [Ambassadors] Finally prepared the offline repo for the Install Fest at Kalyani Govt. College Message-ID: <467c41720902190956v3a46e2dt85cd6b3d13cb72d3@mail.gmail.com> Hello, Finally I have prepared an offline Fedora 10 repo ( though not complete), which is ready to install all the basic audio, video, image softwares, audio-video codecs, KDE 4.2 update, KdeEdu, VirtualBox, Kernel 2.6.27.12-170.2.5.fc10.i686, nvidia drivers, etc. I successfully installed updates in my system and another system of my friend offline via an FTP server. I have also prepared a kickstart file to automate Fedora 10 installation. Hope this all works fine and smoothly during the day of the Install Fest in Kalyani Govt. College. Regards, Ratnadeep Debnath, DGPLUG http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Rtnpro ratnadeepdebnath.wordpress.com From itamar at ispbrasil.com.br Thu Feb 19 18:00:40 2009 From: itamar at ispbrasil.com.br (Itamar Reis Peixoto) Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2009 15:00:40 -0300 Subject: [Ambassadors] what can I do in Iran? In-Reply-To: References: <1234995308.2858.81.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: and about downloading source code and rebuilding like centos does ? On Thu, Feb 19, 2009 at 1:08 PM, Francesco Ugolini wrote: > 2009/2/18 Mostafa Daneshvar : >> >> Hello; >> I newly joined this group. I am From Iran. I think my case is very >> special because I'm from an embargoed destination (Iran). Regarding >> these restrictions, could you tell me what kind of tasks can I do? >> I have some plans for Fedora in Iran. I'm waiting for your helps and >> comments. >> >> >> Mostafa Daneshvar >> http://mostafadaneshvar.com > > I'm not a lawyer, doing a search in the wiki I see a written > limitation in the Export Policy > (http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Legal/Export). > > Here what it states: > | > | Fedora's software and/or technical data may NOT be > exported/reexported, either directly or indirectly, to the following > U.S. > | embargoed or restricted destinations: > | > | Cuba, Iran, Iraq, North Korea, Sudan or Syria. > | > | Please note: this list is subject to change. > | > > I don't know what "technical data" means in legalese, but it could be > interesting, as David suggested, to have a better clarification on > this issue. > > Regards > > Francesco Ugolini > > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > -- ------------ Itamar Reis Peixoto e-mail/msn: itamar at ispbrasil.com.br sip: itamar at ispbrasil.com.br skype: itamarjp icq: 81053601 +55 11 4063 5033 +55 34 3221 8599 From thinklinux.ssh at gmail.com Thu Feb 19 18:01:55 2009 From: thinklinux.ssh at gmail.com (susmit shannigrahi) Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2009 23:31:55 +0530 Subject: [Ambassadors] Re: [fedora-india] Finally prepared the offline repo for the Install Fest at Kalyani Govt. College In-Reply-To: <467c41720902190956v3a46e2dt85cd6b3d13cb72d3@mail.gmail.com> References: <467c41720902190956v3a46e2dt85cd6b3d13cb72d3@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Thu, Feb 19, 2009 at 11:26 PM, Ratnadeep Debnath wrote: > Hello, > Finally I have prepared an offline Fedora 10 repo ( though not > complete), which is ready to install all the basic audio, video, image > softwares, audio-video codecs, KDE 4.2 update, KdeEdu, VirtualBox, > Kernel 2.6.27.12-170.2.5.fc10.i686, nvidia drivers, etc. I > successfully installed updates in my system and another system of my > friend offline via an FTP server. Please ensure it is explained during the fest, why codecs and nvidia drivers are not there in fedora by default . > I have also prepared a kickstart > file to automate Fedora 10 installation. Won't it be better to let them learn the "manual" way? > Hope this all works fine and smoothly during the day of the Install > Fest in Kalyani Govt. College. > > Regards, > Ratnadeep Debnath, > DGPLUG > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Rtnpro > ratnadeepdebnath.wordpress.com > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-india mailing list > Fedora-india at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-india > -- Regards, Susmit. ============================================= ssh 0x86DD170A http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/user:susmit ============================================= Sent from: Calcutta Wb India. From sanjay.ankur at gmail.com Thu Feb 19 18:06:40 2009 From: sanjay.ankur at gmail.com (Ankur Sinha) Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2009 23:36:40 +0530 Subject: [Ambassadors] Re: [fedora-india] Finally prepared the offline repo for the Install Fest at Kalyani Govt. College In-Reply-To: <467c41720902190956v3a46e2dt85cd6b3d13cb72d3@mail.gmail.com> References: <467c41720902190956v3a46e2dt85cd6b3d13cb72d3@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1235066800.3922.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Thu, 2009-02-19 at 23:26 +0530, Ratnadeep Debnath wrote: > Hello, > Finally I have prepared an offline Fedora 10 repo ( though not > complete), which is ready to install all the basic audio, video, image > softwares, audio-video codecs, KDE 4.2 update, KdeEdu, VirtualBox, > Kernel 2.6.27.12-170.2.5.fc10.i686, nvidia drivers, etc. I > successfully installed updates in my system and another system of my > friend offline via an FTP server. I have also prepared a kickstart > file to automate Fedora 10 installation. > Hope this all works fine and smoothly during the day of the Install > Fest in Kalyani Govt. College. > > Regards, > Ratnadeep Debnath, > DGPLUG > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Rtnpro > ratnadeepdebnath.wordpress.com > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-india mailing list > Fedora-india at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-india hi, I was making one myself.. I have an install fest on 23rd of March where we intend to install the latest unity release and codecs etc from a local repo. Can you please enumerate the steps you tool to make the repo? I'll cross check.. Is it on a dvd/cd ? regards, Ankur From jbenedictlow at gmail.com Thu Feb 19 18:09:19 2009 From: jbenedictlow at gmail.com (Jason Benedict Low) Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2009 02:09:19 +0800 Subject: [Ambassadors] inactive ambassadors, a proposed solution In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <499DA04F.40605@gmail.com> + Max Spevack wrote: > The purpose of this email is to try to lay out a roadmap for solving, > once and for all, the question of inactive Fedora Ambassadors. > > GOALS OF IDENTIFYING INACTIVE AMBASSADORS: > > (1) Housekeeping. All projects need to have their membership rosters > pruned from time to time. In Ambassadors, this is particularly > important because non-Fedora people might get in touch with > Ambassadors, and if they don't receive a response, it looks like > Fedora is ignorning them. Other sub-projects for which identifying > inactive ambassadors are crucial is packaging. If someone drops off > the face of the earth, their packages need to be given to a new owner. > > Pages that need to a "refresh" policy: > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/CountryList <-- I argue > that CountryList is the wrong name for this page, and it should be > called Directory. > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/MembershipService/Verification > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/Count <-- why do we even > need this page? Doesn't the CountryList page serve the same purpose? > > How often are these pages currently updated? Is the process manual or > automated, or a mixture of both? > > > (2) Give a more prominent location to the "list of ambassadors per > country". That page should be the most visited page in all of Fedora > Ambassadors. People who are trying to find out about Fedora should be > visiting it, and Ambassadors who are looking for other Fedora folks > near them should be visiting it. > > We should have something on fedoraproject.org that says "are you > interested in Fedora? Find a Fedora Ambassador near you to give you > some information" and you type in your location, and it spits back a > list of Ambassadors near you. > > > (3) In order for any of (2) to be successful, we need to make sure > that the people who are listed as Ambassadors are actually paying > attention to the Ambassadors part of Fedora. If someone is not, it > doesn't mean that they are a bad person -- it just means that they > don't want to have to deal with organizing events or asking questions > from newbies to the project. > > I wouldn't be offended if someone removed me from the Fedora > Infrastructure group in FAS, because *I DON'T DO ANYTHING WITH FEDORA > INFRASTRUCTURE*. It doesn't mean I'm a bad person or not a Fedora > contributor, it just means that I don't participate in that part of > Fedora. > > > HOW DO WE IDENTIFY ACTIVE AMBASSADORS? > > We come up with a policy that is simple, and fair. > > An active ambassador is someone who: > > 1) Has joined the group in FAS. > 2) Reads and/or posts on fedora-ambassadors-list. > 3) Has a useful, up-to-date personal page on the Fedora wiki. > > And does one or more of: > > * Attends or organizes an event once in a release cycle. > * Maintains a blog on Planet Fedora, with about one post per month. > * Participates on fedora-list or fedoraforum.org to help people w/ > questions. > * Indicates their willingness to mentor and guide new contributors or > new users. > > > WHAT DO WE DO WITH INACTIVE AMBASSADORS? > > If someone is inactive, we *DO NOT* kick them out of the ambassadors > group in FAS, and we *DO NOT* remove them from fedora-ambassadors list. > > But we should remove them from the "directory of Ambassadors sorted by > country", which I argue again needs to be much more visible and > useful, so that those inactive Ambassadors aren't being asked to do > public-facing things. > > When someone re-surfaces or has more time for Ambassadors, we put them > back on the directory. > > ================== > > Flame me. > > --Max > > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > -- Best Regards, Jason Singapore Fedora Ambassador http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Jason_Benedict_Low VoIP = sip:jasonbenedict at fedoraproject.org ------ When i work nobody care. When i rest everybody stare. ------ From br4in5t0rmm at gmail.com Thu Feb 19 18:09:20 2009 From: br4in5t0rmm at gmail.com (Erick Henrique) Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2009 15:09:20 -0300 Subject: [Ambassadors] inactive ambassadors, a proposed solution In-Reply-To: References: <27a6293b0902190825s3ea0c475nfaa6171262417693@mail.gmail.com> <00de01c992b2$2b6800c0$82380240$@com.br> <27a6293b0902190904s10bf4cd8t98daeca17690887b@mail.gmail.com> <010401c992b7$50f60260$f2e20720$@com.br> Message-ID: <67d66b7b0902191009x29a24cb7r9b059efccdab3837@mail.gmail.com> +1 " local groups (by country) to control local Ambassador membership." 2009/2/19 Shambo Bose > > > On Thu, Feb 19, 2009 at 10:57 PM, Rodrigo Menezes < > rodrigomenezes12 at yahoo.com.br> wrote: > >> Mar?a, I understood your point of view, and I agree with you in parts. >> >> But I my opinion, a mentoring situation is not the appropriated one. I >> don't >> feel comfortable having someone telling me what to do in my collaborative >> job. For this case, a "by country" group can control this actions. Not to >> tell an ambassador what he should do, but to watch his work, get reports. >> Off course, all big actions in some country need more contributors, we >> need >> more people in our magazine, updating our portal, etc., but we ONLY need >> people interested to put their hands to work. >> >> +1 to local groups (by country) to control local Ambassador membership. >> >> Cheers, >> >> Rodrigo Menezes >> >> >> >> De: fedora-ambassadors-list-bounces at redhat.com >> [mailto:fedora-ambassadors-list-bounces at redhat.com] Em nome de Mar?a >> Leandro >> Enviada em: quinta-feira, 19 de fevereiro de 2009 14:04 >> Para: fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com >> Assunto: Re: [Ambassadors] inactive ambassadors, a proposed solution >> >> get in touch. >> >> sometimes news ambassadors only join this group because they like the >> "@fedoraproject.org" mail and get their names on the fedoraproject >> website... it should not be that way. >> >> Is not my idea say that "little countries are not important"... is the >> opossite; I'm in a country that is smaller that a 20 part of brazil; and >> we >> do things. My point is that be an ambassador has a purpose... and some >> people just forget that. so, we just need to get them in touch again and >> make that be a "fedora ambassador" mean something again for those "lost >> sheeps" (again... mentoring stuff explain with a better english by -Max-) >> :D >> >> >> >> >> 2009/2/20 Rodrigo Menezes >> Mar?a, >> >> How can you identify a Ambassador who really works for the Project? >> >> Contribute as an Ambassador doesn't mean that you need to work in a >> upstream >> Project. If I produce lectures in my city (a small city in South Brazil), >> I'm contributing, and this work will never be noticed by you. How can you >> define if I'm working or not? >> >> How can you assign task for some Ambassador who use all of his free time >> to >> distribute DVDs, produce lectures? You cannot. >> >> Cheers, >> >> Rodrigo Menezes >> >> >> >> De: fedora-ambassadors-list-bounces at redhat.com >> [mailto:fedora-ambassadors-list-bounces at redhat.com] Em nome de Mar?a >> Leandro >> Enviada em: quinta-feira, 19 de fevereiro de 2009 13:26 >> Para: fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com >> Assunto: Re: [Ambassadors] inactive ambassadors, a proposed solution >> >> We also know that we have some ambassadors that don't contribute with any >> project. What do we do with them? >> >> I think we should contact them an assign some task... just to incorporate >> them to the team >> >> 2009/2/20 Ashiqur Rahman Angel >> On Thu, Feb 19, 2009 at 5:34 PM, Max Spevack wrote: >> The purpose of this email is to try to lay out a roadmap for solving, once >> and for all, the question of inactive Fedora Ambassadors. >> >> GOALS OF IDENTIFYING INACTIVE AMBASSADORS: >> >> (1) Housekeeping. All projects need to have their membership rosters >> pruned >> from time to time. In Ambassadors, this is particularly important because >> non-Fedora people might get in touch with Ambassadors, and if they don't >> receive a response, it looks like Fedora is ignorning them. Other >> sub-projects for which identifying inactive ambassadors are crucial is >> packaging. If someone drops off the face of the earth, their packages >> need >> to be given to a new owner. >> >> Pages that need to a "refresh" policy: >> >> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/CountryList <-- I argue that >> CountryList is the wrong name for this page, and it should be called >> Directory. >> >> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/MembershipService/Verification >> >> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/Count <-- why do we even need >> this page? Doesn't the CountryList page serve the same purpose? >> >> How often are these pages currently updated? Is the process manual or >> automated, or a mixture of both? >> >> >> (2) Give a more prominent location to the "list of ambassadors per >> country". >> That page should be the most visited page in all of Fedora Ambassadors. >> People who are trying to find out about Fedora should be visiting it, and >> Ambassadors who are looking for other Fedora folks near them should be >> visiting it. >> >> We should have something on fedoraproject.org that says "are you >> interested >> in Fedora? Find a Fedora Ambassador near you to give you some >> information" >> and you type in your location, and it spits back a list of Ambassadors >> near >> you. >> >> >> (3) In order for any of (2) to be successful, we need to make sure that >> the >> people who are listed as Ambassadors are actually paying attention to the >> Ambassadors part of Fedora. If someone is not, it doesn't mean that they >> are a bad person -- it just means that they don't want to have to deal >> with >> organizing events or asking questions from newbies to the project. >> >> I wouldn't be offended if someone removed me from the Fedora >> Infrastructure >> group in FAS, because *I DON'T DO ANYTHING WITH FEDORA INFRASTRUCTURE*. >> It >> doesn't mean I'm a bad person or not a Fedora contributor, it just means >> that I don't participate in that part of Fedora. >> >> >> HOW DO WE IDENTIFY ACTIVE AMBASSADORS? >> >> We come up with a policy that is simple, and fair. >> >> An active ambassador is someone who: >> >> 1) Has joined the group in FAS. >> 2) Reads and/or posts on fedora-ambassadors-list. >> 3) Has a useful, up-to-date personal page on the Fedora wiki. >> >> And does one or more of: >> >> * Attends or organizes an event once in a release cycle. >> * Maintains a blog on Planet Fedora, with about one post per month. >> * Participates on fedora-list or fedoraforum.org to help people w/ >> questions. >> * Indicates their willingness to mentor and guide new contributors or new >> users. >> >> +1 >> >> WHAT DO WE DO WITH INACTIVE AMBASSADORS? >> >> If someone is inactive, we *DO NOT* kick them out of the ambassadors group >> in FAS, and we *DO NOT* remove them from fedora-ambassadors list. >> >> But we should remove them from the "directory of Ambassadors sorted by >> country", which I argue again needs to be much more visible and useful, so >> that those inactive Ambassadors aren't being asked to do public-facing >> things. >> >> When someone re-surfaces or has more time for Ambassadors, we put them >> back >> on the directory. >> >> ================== >> >> Flame me. >> >> --Max >> >> But what do we do with inactive Ambassadors, who are inactive from a long >> time? Are they Ambassadors for ever??!! >> >> >> -- >> Angel >> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Angel >> 0DF8 3CD4 AFE3 68C6 >> 2CDA 9F17 14B8 1A15 E5F7 73C2 >> >> Fedora -- Freedom? and rapid innovation >> >> >> -- >> Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list >> Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list >> >> >> >> -- >> tatica >> Maria Gracia Leandro >> http://www.tatica.org >> http://www.iseit.net >> http://www.latinux.org >> http://www.latinux.com >> http://www.fedora-ve.org >> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/MariaLeandro >> LinuxUser= 440285 >> GPG Public Key: E1CDCC56 >> "Be yourself... Don't be anyone else" >> __________________________________________________ >> Fa?a liga??es para outros computadores com o novo Yahoo! Messenger >> http://br.beta.messenger.yahoo.com/ >> >> -- >> Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list >> Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list >> >> >> >> -- >> tatica >> Maria Gracia Leandro >> http://www.tatica.org >> http://www.iseit.net >> http://www.latinux.org >> http://www.latinux.com >> http://www.fedora-ve.org >> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/MariaLeandro >> LinuxUser= 440285 >> GPG Public Key: E1CDCC56 >> "Be yourself... Don't be anyone else" >> >> __________________________________________________ >> Fa?a liga??es para outros computadores com o novo Yahoo! Messenger >> http://br.beta.messenger.yahoo.com/ >> >> -- >> Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list >> Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list >> > > > +1 to local groups to control local Ambassador membership. > > Shambo Bose > > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > > -- http://www.projetofedora.org http://www.mytoons.com/br4in *********************************************** GAME DESIGNER *********************************************** <> -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From sherry151 at gmail.com Thu Feb 19 18:16:51 2009 From: sherry151 at gmail.com (Rangeen Basu) Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2009 23:46:51 +0530 Subject: [Ambassadors] Re: [fedora-india] Finally prepared the offline repo for the Install Fest at Kalyani Govt. College In-Reply-To: References: <467c41720902190956v3a46e2dt85cd6b3d13cb72d3@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: > Please ensure it is explained during the fest, why codecs and nvidia > drivers are not there in fedora by default . Subhodip's presentation will take care of that . > > I have also prepared a kickstart > > file to automate Fedora 10 installation. > > Won't it be better to let them learn the "manual" way? > I was thinking that since we are installing using DVDs, so we can simply keep demonstrating them on projector how to follow the steps and create partitions instead of using the kickstart method since we are not installing on one machine at a time. Kickstart works well for standalone installations but not in situations like install fest.. We will have enough experienced people out there to help anyone facing a problem with the manual way. Though the offline repo is a job well done by Ratnadeep. -- Rangeen Basu Roy Chowdhury sherry151 at gmail.com !!!Windows is "micro"-soft[ware]..I like bigger things!!! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hacataka at gmail.com Thu Feb 19 18:16:58 2009 From: hacataka at gmail.com (Hacataka Comodo) Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2009 13:16:58 -0500 Subject: [Ambassadors] inactive ambassadors, a proposed solution In-Reply-To: <499DA04F.40605@gmail.com> References: <499DA04F.40605@gmail.com> Message-ID: when you update the list of ambassador I think I miss in the list ... 2009/2/19 Jason Benedict Low > + > > > Max Spevack wrote: > >> The purpose of this email is to try to lay out a roadmap for solving, once >> and for all, the question of inactive Fedora Ambassadors. >> >> GOALS OF IDENTIFYING INACTIVE AMBASSADORS: >> >> (1) Housekeeping. All projects need to have their membership rosters >> pruned from time to time. In Ambassadors, this is particularly important >> because non-Fedora people might get in touch with Ambassadors, and if they >> don't receive a response, it looks like Fedora is ignorning them. Other >> sub-projects for which identifying inactive ambassadors are crucial is >> packaging. If someone drops off the face of the earth, their packages need >> to be given to a new owner. >> >> Pages that need to a "refresh" policy: >> >> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/CountryList <-- I argue that >> CountryList is the wrong name for this page, and it should be called >> Directory. >> >> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/MembershipService/Verification >> >> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/Count <-- why do we even need >> this page? Doesn't the CountryList page serve the same purpose? >> >> How often are these pages currently updated? Is the process manual or >> automated, or a mixture of both? >> >> >> (2) Give a more prominent location to the "list of ambassadors per >> country". That page should be the most visited page in all of Fedora >> Ambassadors. People who are trying to find out about Fedora should be >> visiting it, and Ambassadors who are looking for other Fedora folks near >> them should be visiting it. >> >> We should have something on fedoraproject.org that says "are you >> interested in Fedora? Find a Fedora Ambassador near you to give you some >> information" and you type in your location, and it spits back a list of >> Ambassadors near you. >> >> >> (3) In order for any of (2) to be successful, we need to make sure that >> the people who are listed as Ambassadors are actually paying attention to >> the Ambassadors part of Fedora. If someone is not, it doesn't mean that >> they are a bad person -- it just means that they don't want to have to deal >> with organizing events or asking questions from newbies to the project. >> >> I wouldn't be offended if someone removed me from the Fedora >> Infrastructure group in FAS, because *I DON'T DO ANYTHING WITH FEDORA >> INFRASTRUCTURE*. It doesn't mean I'm a bad person or not a Fedora >> contributor, it just means that I don't participate in that part of Fedora. >> >> >> HOW DO WE IDENTIFY ACTIVE AMBASSADORS? >> >> We come up with a policy that is simple, and fair. >> >> An active ambassador is someone who: >> >> 1) Has joined the group in FAS. >> 2) Reads and/or posts on fedora-ambassadors-list. >> 3) Has a useful, up-to-date personal page on the Fedora wiki. >> >> And does one or more of: >> >> * Attends or organizes an event once in a release cycle. >> * Maintains a blog on Planet Fedora, with about one post per month. >> * Participates on fedora-list or fedoraforum.org to help people w/ >> questions. >> * Indicates their willingness to mentor and guide new contributors or new >> users. >> >> >> WHAT DO WE DO WITH INACTIVE AMBASSADORS? >> >> If someone is inactive, we *DO NOT* kick them out of the ambassadors group >> in FAS, and we *DO NOT* remove them from fedora-ambassadors list. >> >> But we should remove them from the "directory of Ambassadors sorted by >> country", which I argue again needs to be much more visible and useful, so >> that those inactive Ambassadors aren't being asked to do public-facing >> things. >> >> When someone re-surfaces or has more time for Ambassadors, we put them >> back on the directory. >> >> ================== >> >> Flame me. >> >> --Max >> >> -- >> Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list >> Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list >> >> > -- > Best Regards, > Jason > Singapore Fedora Ambassador > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Jason_Benedict_Low > VoIP = sip:jasonbenedict at fedoraproject.org > ------ When i work nobody care. When i rest everybody stare. ------ > > > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > -- HACATAKA http://bitacorahelpdesk.blogspot.com/ https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Hacataka -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nacross at gmail.com Thu Feb 19 18:21:26 2009 From: nacross at gmail.com (Neville A. Cross) Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2009 12:21:26 -0600 Subject: [Ambassadors] inactive ambassadors, a proposed solution In-Reply-To: References: <27a6293b0902190825s3ea0c475nfaa6171262417693@mail.gmail.com> <00de01c992b2$2b6800c0$82380240$@com.br> <27a6293b0902190904s10bf4cd8t98daeca17690887b@mail.gmail.com> <010401c992b7$50f60260$f2e20720$@com.br> Message-ID: 2009/2/19 Shambo Bose : > > +1 to local groups to control local Ambassador membership. > > Shambo Bose That may work for mature groups. What happen with those countries that only have one ambassador. Or when the group members have better communication to fedora at large that among thenselves? But sure, if the is the local group can handle it, better leave at local level. -- Neville https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Yn1v Linux User # 473217 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Check: http://www.clickmanagua.com - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - From rodrigomenezes12 at yahoo.com.br Thu Feb 19 18:28:50 2009 From: rodrigomenezes12 at yahoo.com.br (Rodrigo Menezes) Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2009 15:28:50 -0300 Subject: RES: [Ambassadors] inactive ambassadors, a proposed solution In-Reply-To: References: <27a6293b0902190825s3ea0c475nfaa6171262417693@mail.gmail.com> <00de01c992b2$2b6800c0$82380240$@com.br> <27a6293b0902190904s10bf4cd8t98daeca17690887b@mail.gmail.com> <010401c992b7$50f60260$f2e20720$@com.br> Message-ID: <012a01c992bf$ebf48810$c3dd9830$@com.br> Neville, In a country with few members, a near country could monitor their actions provide guidelines for they. As a worldwide program, the core doesn't know how local users in each country works, but near country does, or should do. "Or when the group members have better communication to fedora at large that among themselves?" Why not create this communication for all group members? Off course USA will talk directly with Fedora Core, but other groups should create this mature local group to be stronger and accomplish bigger goals. Cheers, Rodrigo Menezes -----Mensagem original----- De: fedora-ambassadors-list-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:fedora-ambassadors-list-bounces at redhat.com] Em nome de Neville A. Cross Enviada em: quinta-feira, 19 de fevereiro de 2009 15:21 Para: fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com Assunto: Re: [Ambassadors] inactive ambassadors, a proposed solution 2009/2/19 Shambo Bose : > > +1 to local groups to control local Ambassador membership. > > Shambo Bose That may work for mature groups. What happen with those countries that only have one ambassador. Or when the group members have better communication to fedora at large that among thenselves? But sure, if the is the local group can handle it, better leave at local level. -- Neville https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Yn1v Linux User # 473217 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Check: http://www.clickmanagua.com - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -- Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list __________________________________________________ Fa?a liga??es para outros computadores com o novo Yahoo! Messenger http://br.beta.messenger.yahoo.com/ From francesco at ephisia.org Thu Feb 19 18:32:42 2009 From: francesco at ephisia.org (Francesco Ugolini) Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2009 19:32:42 +0100 Subject: [Ambassadors] inactive ambassadors, a proposed solution In-Reply-To: <67d66b7b0902191009x29a24cb7r9b059efccdab3837@mail.gmail.com> References: <27a6293b0902190825s3ea0c475nfaa6171262417693@mail.gmail.com> <00de01c992b2$2b6800c0$82380240$@com.br> <27a6293b0902190904s10bf4cd8t98daeca17690887b@mail.gmail.com> <010401c992b7$50f60260$f2e20720$@com.br> <67d66b7b0902191009x29a24cb7r9b059efccdab3837@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: I think we should start considering what Activity means, as Max clearly underline, in one of the best definition we should have: > An active ambassador is someone who: > > 1) Has joined the group in FAS. > 2) Reads and/or posts on fedora-ambassadors-list. > 3) Has a useful, up-to-date personal page on the Fedora wiki. > > And does one or more of: > > * Attends or organizes an event once in a release cycle. > * Maintains a blog on Planet Fedora, with about one post per month. > * Participates on fedora-list or fedoraforum.org to help people w/ questions. > * Indicates their willingness to mentor and guide new contributors or new users. Ok, except for exceptional cases (someone who leaves in a country/province/region without a stable internet connection), those criteria give the definition of Active Ambassador. I think we should agree with those criteria. For the other side of the proposal, I want to ask people who are sceptic about this approach to give a try to the proposed solution. I'm sure this proposal is a really a straightforward one. Let me know. Regards Francesco Ugolini From luca at foppiano.org Thu Feb 19 18:42:54 2009 From: luca at foppiano.org (Luca Foppiano) Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2009 19:42:54 +0100 Subject: [Ambassadors] inactive ambassadors, a proposed solution In-Reply-To: <2d319b780902190439t4508f3eah24469016f1c2e353@mail.gmail.com> References: <2d319b780902190439t4508f3eah24469016f1c2e353@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1235068974.6846.273.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Thu, 2009-02-19 at 13:39 +0100, Mathieu Bridon (bochecha) wrote: > To me, very few people can: the local leaders. They are the ones who > know the Ambassadors in their region and what they do. And if there's > an Ambassador in their region they never heard of, maybe it means he > is inactive... +1 Luca -- Today is Setting Orange, the 50th day of Chaos in the YOLD 3175 Celebrate Chaoflux To generalize is to be an idiot. -- William Blake From crossbytes at gmail.com Thu Feb 19 18:53:41 2009 From: crossbytes at gmail.com (Kevin Higgins) Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2009 10:53:41 -0800 Subject: [Ambassadors] missed meeting Message-ID: I am sorry that I missed the meeting we had a donation of 25 computer systems and had to pick them up from the International Air Academy here in Vancouver. I will read the minutes to get up to speed sorry again... -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From inode0 at gmail.com Thu Feb 19 18:58:12 2009 From: inode0 at gmail.com (inode0) Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2009 12:58:12 -0600 Subject: [Ambassadors] missed meeting In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: 2009/2/19 Kevin Higgins : > I am sorry that I missed the meeting we had a donation of 25 computer > systems and had to pick them up from the International Air Academy here in > Vancouver. > > I will read the minutes to get up to speed sorry again... No problem Kevin. You had a good reason it sounds like! Make a note of the new times we will be meeting beginning in March though. John From francesco at ephisia.org Thu Feb 19 19:00:02 2009 From: francesco at ephisia.org (Francesco Ugolini) Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2009 20:00:02 +0100 Subject: [Ambassadors] what can I do in Iran? In-Reply-To: References: <1234995308.2858.81.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: On Thu, Feb 19, 2009 at 7:00 PM, Itamar Reis Peixoto wrote: > and about downloading source code and rebuilding like centos does ? I can suggest to wait an official answer, I or FAmSCo can't say something specific, only Board along with Fedora Legal counsel should take a position on this issue. I'm sorry to not be able to be more responsive than this Best regards Francesco Ugolini From charlymanja at yahoo.com.mx Thu Feb 19 19:14:17 2009 From: charlymanja at yahoo.com.mx (Charly Manjarrez) Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2009 13:14:17 -0600 Subject: RES: [Ambassadors] inactive ambassadors, a proposed solution In-Reply-To: <00de01c992b2$2b6800c0$82380240$@com.br> References: <27a6293b0902190825s3ea0c475nfaa6171262417693@mail.gmail.com> <00de01c992b2$2b6800c0$82380240$@com.br> Message-ID: <499DAF89.1060002@yahoo.com.mx> This is true, not all Ambassadors works with the list, i work with the people in my city with my own resources providing DVDs and help!!! maybe i am not a very active in the list, but there are to many who works!!! I think we have to ask to the Ambassadors if they want been part of this project or make a list to re-subscribe on the FAS regards!!! Rodrigo Menezes wrote: > Mar?a, > > How can you identify a Ambassador who really works for the Project? > > Contribute as an Ambassador doesn?t mean that you need to work in a upstream > Project. If I produce lectures in my city (a small city in South Brazil), > I?m contributing, and this work will never be noticed by you. How can you > define if I?m working or not? > > How can you assign task for some Ambassador who use all of his free time to > distribute DVDs, produce lectures? You cannot. > > Cheers, > > Rodrigo Menezes > > > > De: fedora-ambassadors-list-bounces at redhat.com > [mailto:fedora-ambassadors-list-bounces at redhat.com] Em nome de Mar?a Leandro > Enviada em: quinta-feira, 19 de fevereiro de 2009 13:26 > Para: fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > Assunto: Re: [Ambassadors] inactive ambassadors, a proposed solution > > We also know that we have some ambassadors that don't contribute with any > project. What do we do with them? > > I think we should contact them an assign some task... just to incorporate > them to the team > > 2009/2/20 Ashiqur Rahman Angel > On Thu, Feb 19, 2009 at 5:34 PM, Max Spevack wrote: > The purpose of this email is to try to lay out a roadmap for solving, once > and for all, the question of inactive Fedora Ambassadors. > > GOALS OF IDENTIFYING INACTIVE AMBASSADORS: > > (1) Housekeeping. All projects need to have their membership rosters pruned > from time to time. In Ambassadors, this is particularly important because > non-Fedora people might get in touch with Ambassadors, and if they don't > receive a response, it looks like Fedora is ignorning them. Other > sub-projects for which identifying inactive ambassadors are crucial is > packaging. If someone drops off the face of the earth, their packages need > to be given to a new owner. > > Pages that need to a "refresh" policy: > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/CountryList <-- I argue that > CountryList is the wrong name for this page, and it should be called > Directory. > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/MembershipService/Verification > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/Count <-- why do we even need > this page? Doesn't the CountryList page serve the same purpose? > > How often are these pages currently updated? Is the process manual or > automated, or a mixture of both? > > > (2) Give a more prominent location to the "list of ambassadors per country". > That page should be the most visited page in all of Fedora Ambassadors. > People who are trying to find out about Fedora should be visiting it, and > Ambassadors who are looking for other Fedora folks near them should be > visiting it. > > We should have something on fedoraproject.org that says "are you interested > in Fedora? Find a Fedora Ambassador near you to give you some information" > and you type in your location, and it spits back a list of Ambassadors near > you. > > > (3) In order for any of (2) to be successful, we need to make sure that the > people who are listed as Ambassadors are actually paying attention to the > Ambassadors part of Fedora. If someone is not, it doesn't mean that they > are a bad person -- it just means that they don't want to have to deal with > organizing events or asking questions from newbies to the project. > > I wouldn't be offended if someone removed me from the Fedora Infrastructure > group in FAS, because *I DON'T DO ANYTHING WITH FEDORA INFRASTRUCTURE*. It > doesn't mean I'm a bad person or not a Fedora contributor, it just means > that I don't participate in that part of Fedora. > > > HOW DO WE IDENTIFY ACTIVE AMBASSADORS? > > We come up with a policy that is simple, and fair. > > An active ambassador is someone who: > > 1) Has joined the group in FAS. > 2) Reads and/or posts on fedora-ambassadors-list. > 3) Has a useful, up-to-date personal page on the Fedora wiki. > > And does one or more of: > > * Attends or organizes an event once in a release cycle. > * Maintains a blog on Planet Fedora, with about one post per month. > * Participates on fedora-list or fedoraforum.org to help people w/ > questions. > * Indicates their willingness to mentor and guide new contributors or new > users. > > +1 > > WHAT DO WE DO WITH INACTIVE AMBASSADORS? > > If someone is inactive, we *DO NOT* kick them out of the ambassadors group > in FAS, and we *DO NOT* remove them from fedora-ambassadors list. > > But we should remove them from the "directory of Ambassadors sorted by > country", which I argue again needs to be much more visible and useful, so > that those inactive Ambassadors aren't being asked to do public-facing > things. > > When someone re-surfaces or has more time for Ambassadors, we put them back > on the directory. > > ================== > > Flame me. > > --Max > > But what do we do with inactive Ambassadors, who are inactive from a long > time? Are they Ambassadors for ever??!! > > > From charlymanja at yahoo.com.mx Thu Feb 19 19:17:03 2009 From: charlymanja at yahoo.com.mx (Charly Manjarrez) Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2009 13:17:03 -0600 Subject: RES: [Ambassadors] inactive ambassadors, a proposed solution In-Reply-To: <00e801c992b6$7ee04560$7ca0d020$@com.br> References: <27a6293b0902190825s3ea0c475nfaa6171262417693@mail.gmail.com> <00de01c992b2$2b6800c0$82380240$@com.br> <21179be0902190855t52f60649m5e51d17d88cb5888@mail.gmail.com> <00e801c992b6$7ee04560$7ca0d020$@com.br> Message-ID: <499DB02F.3010704@yahoo.com.mx> Maybe if we define the list of the country leaders be much easy to know who works or not Rodrigo Menezes wrote: > I don?t know how these works in the rest of the world, but I?m one of the > firsts Ambassadors in Brazil. We are 44 Ambassadors here, and we know who is > working and who isn?t. > > To be more focused in our country, we created a local mail list, and are > working to provide local actions. In this mean time, 5 long years, we talked > with Fedora Board to remove inactive Ambassadors, but how we set who is > working and who isn?t? We don?t, we just try to contact every Ambassador, > from time to time, to get an report of their actions. I can tell you that > 10% or 20% doesn't even respond our e-mails. We know that more 10% or 20% > isn't working with Fedora, assign Ambassador Group to have their name in our > staff. In this situation I believe necessary a kick off, only in this > situation. > > Cheers, > > Rodrigo Menezes > > > > De: fedora-ambassadors-list-bounces at redhat.com > [mailto:fedora-ambassadors-list-bounces at redhat.com] Em nome de Adli Azaddin > Enviada em: quinta-feira, 19 de fevereiro de 2009 13:56 > Para: fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > Assunto: Re: [Ambassadors] inactive ambassadors, a proposed solution > > i agree with Rodrigo Menezes > > cheers again :D > On Fri, Feb 20, 2009 at 12:50 AM, Rodrigo Menezes > wrote: > Mar?a, > > How can you identify a Ambassador who really works for the Project? > > Contribute as an Ambassador doesn't mean that you need to work in a upstream > Project. If I produce lectures in my city (a small city in South Brazil), > I'm contributing, and this work will never be noticed by you. How can you > define if I'm working or not? > > How can you assign task for some Ambassador who use all of his free time to > distribute DVDs, produce lectures? You cannot. > > Cheers, > > Rodrigo Menezes > > > > De: fedora-ambassadors-list-bounces at redhat.com > [mailto:fedora-ambassadors-list-bounces at redhat.com] Em nome de Mar?a Leandro > Enviada em: quinta-feira, 19 de fevereiro de 2009 13:26 > Para: fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > Assunto: Re: [Ambassadors] inactive ambassadors, a proposed solution > > We also know that we have some ambassadors that don't contribute with any > project. What do we do with them? > > I think we should contact them an assign some task... just to incorporate > them to the team > 2009/2/20 Ashiqur Rahman Angel > On Thu, Feb 19, 2009 at 5:34 PM, Max Spevack wrote: > The purpose of this email is to try to lay out a roadmap for solving, once > and for all, the question of inactive Fedora Ambassadors. > > GOALS OF IDENTIFYING INACTIVE AMBASSADORS: > > (1) Housekeeping. All projects need to have their membership rosters pruned > from time to time. In Ambassadors, this is particularly important because > non-Fedora people might get in touch with Ambassadors, and if they don't > receive a response, it looks like Fedora is ignorning them. Other > sub-projects for which identifying inactive ambassadors are crucial is > packaging. If someone drops off the face of the earth, their packages need > to be given to a new owner. > > Pages that need to a "refresh" policy: > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/CountryList <-- I argue that > CountryList is the wrong name for this page, and it should be called > Directory. > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/MembershipService/Verification > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/Count <-- why do we even need > this page? Doesn't the CountryList page serve the same purpose? > > How often are these pages currently updated? Is the process manual or > automated, or a mixture of both? > > > (2) Give a more prominent location to the "list of ambassadors per country". > That page should be the most visited page in all of Fedora Ambassadors. > People who are trying to find out about Fedora should be visiting it, and > Ambassadors who are looking for other Fedora folks near them should be > visiting it. > > We should have something on fedoraproject.org that says "are you interested > in Fedora? Find a Fedora Ambassador near you to give you some information" > and you type in your location, and it spits back a list of Ambassadors near > you. > > > (3) In order for any of (2) to be successful, we need to make sure that the > people who are listed as Ambassadors are actually paying attention to the > Ambassadors part of Fedora. If someone is not, it doesn't mean that they > are a bad person -- it just means that they don't want to have to deal with > organizing events or asking questions from newbies to the project. > > I wouldn't be offended if someone removed me from the Fedora Infrastructure > group in FAS, because *I DON'T DO ANYTHING WITH FEDORA INFRASTRUCTURE*. It > doesn't mean I'm a bad person or not a Fedora contributor, it just means > that I don't participate in that part of Fedora. > > > HOW DO WE IDENTIFY ACTIVE AMBASSADORS? > > We come up with a policy that is simple, and fair. > > An active ambassador is someone who: > > 1) Has joined the group in FAS. > 2) Reads and/or posts on fedora-ambassadors-list. > 3) Has a useful, up-to-date personal page on the Fedora wiki. > > And does one or more of: > > * Attends or organizes an event once in a release cycle. > * Maintains a blog on Planet Fedora, with about one post per month. > * Participates on fedora-list or fedoraforum.org to help people w/ > questions. > * Indicates their willingness to mentor and guide new contributors or new > users. > > +1 > > WHAT DO WE DO WITH INACTIVE AMBASSADORS? > > If someone is inactive, we *DO NOT* kick them out of the ambassadors group > in FAS, and we *DO NOT* remove them from fedora-ambassadors list. > > But we should remove them from the "directory of Ambassadors sorted by > country", which I argue again needs to be much more visible and useful, so > that those inactive Ambassadors aren't being asked to do public-facing > things. > > When someone re-surfaces or has more time for Ambassadors, we put them back > on the directory. > > ================== > > Flame me. > > --Max > > But what do we do with inactive Ambassadors, who are inactive from a long > time? Are they Ambassadors for ever??!! > > > -- > Angel > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Angel > 0DF8 3CD4 AFE3 68C6 2CDA 9F17 14B8 1A15 E5F7 73C2 > > Fedora -- Freedom? and rapid innovation > > > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > > > -- > tatica > Maria Gracia Leandro > http://www.tatica.org > http://www.iseit.net > http://www.latinux.org > http://www.latinux.com > http://www.fedora-ve.org > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/MariaLeandro > LinuxUser= 440285 > GPG Public Key: E1CDCC56 > "Be yourself... Don't be anyone else" > > __________________________________________________ > Fa?a liga??es para outros computadores com o novo Yahoo! Messenger > http://br.beta.messenger.yahoo.com/ > > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________________ > Yahoo! Mail - Sempre a melhor op??o para voc?! > Experimente j? e veja as novidades. > http://br.yahoo.com/mailbeta/tudonovo/ > > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > > From hacataka at gmail.com Thu Feb 19 19:20:51 2009 From: hacataka at gmail.com (Hacataka Comodo) Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2009 14:20:51 -0500 Subject: RES: [Ambassadors] inactive ambassadors, a proposed solution In-Reply-To: <499DAF89.1060002@yahoo.com.mx> References: <27a6293b0902190825s3ea0c475nfaa6171262417693@mail.gmail.com> <00de01c992b2$2b6800c0$82380240$@com.br> <499DAF89.1060002@yahoo.com.mx> Message-ID: I wanted to be an active member of fedora and able to participate in events such as an installer or help you see the configuration of servers and users .... is little English but I'm looking for it 2009/2/19 Charly Manjarrez > This is true, not all Ambassadors works with the list, i work with the > people in my city with my own resources providing DVDs and help!!! maybe i > am not a very active in the list, but there are to many who works!!! > > I think we have to ask to the Ambassadors if they want been part of this > project or make a list to re-subscribe on the FAS > > regards!!! > > > Rodrigo Menezes wrote: > >> Mar?a, >> >> How can you identify a Ambassador who really works for the Project? >> >> Contribute as an Ambassador doesn't mean that you need to work in a >> upstream >> Project. If I produce lectures in my city (a small city in South Brazil), >> I'm contributing, and this work will never be noticed by you. How can you >> define if I'm working or not? >> >> How can you assign task for some Ambassador who use all of his free time >> to >> distribute DVDs, produce lectures? You cannot. >> >> Cheers, >> >> Rodrigo Menezes >> >> >> >> De: fedora-ambassadors-list-bounces at redhat.com >> [mailto:fedora-ambassadors-list-bounces at redhat.com] Em nome de Mar?a >> Leandro >> Enviada em: quinta-feira, 19 de fevereiro de 2009 13:26 >> Para: fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com >> Assunto: Re: [Ambassadors] inactive ambassadors, a proposed solution >> >> We also know that we have some ambassadors that don't contribute with any >> project. What do we do with them? >> >> I think we should contact them an assign some task... just to incorporate >> them to the team >> >> 2009/2/20 Ashiqur Rahman Angel >> On Thu, Feb 19, 2009 at 5:34 PM, Max Spevack wrote: >> The purpose of this email is to try to lay out a roadmap for solving, once >> and for all, the question of inactive Fedora Ambassadors. >> >> GOALS OF IDENTIFYING INACTIVE AMBASSADORS: >> >> (1) Housekeeping. All projects need to have their membership rosters >> pruned >> from time to time. In Ambassadors, this is particularly important because >> non-Fedora people might get in touch with Ambassadors, and if they don't >> receive a response, it looks like Fedora is ignorning them. Other >> sub-projects for which identifying inactive ambassadors are crucial is >> packaging. If someone drops off the face of the earth, their packages >> need >> to be given to a new owner. >> >> Pages that need to a "refresh" policy: >> >> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/CountryList <-- I argue that >> CountryList is the wrong name for this page, and it should be called >> Directory. >> >> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/MembershipService/Verification >> >> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/Count <-- why do we even need >> this page? Doesn't the CountryList page serve the same purpose? >> >> How often are these pages currently updated? Is the process manual or >> automated, or a mixture of both? >> >> >> (2) Give a more prominent location to the "list of ambassadors per >> country". >> That page should be the most visited page in all of Fedora Ambassadors. >> People who are trying to find out about Fedora should be visiting it, and >> Ambassadors who are looking for other Fedora folks near them should be >> visiting it. >> >> We should have something on fedoraproject.org that says "are you >> interested >> in Fedora? Find a Fedora Ambassador near you to give you some >> information" >> and you type in your location, and it spits back a list of Ambassadors >> near >> you. >> >> >> (3) In order for any of (2) to be successful, we need to make sure that >> the >> people who are listed as Ambassadors are actually paying attention to the >> Ambassadors part of Fedora. If someone is not, it doesn't mean that they >> are a bad person -- it just means that they don't want to have to deal >> with >> organizing events or asking questions from newbies to the project. >> >> I wouldn't be offended if someone removed me from the Fedora >> Infrastructure >> group in FAS, because *I DON'T DO ANYTHING WITH FEDORA INFRASTRUCTURE*. >> It >> doesn't mean I'm a bad person or not a Fedora contributor, it just means >> that I don't participate in that part of Fedora. >> >> >> HOW DO WE IDENTIFY ACTIVE AMBASSADORS? >> >> We come up with a policy that is simple, and fair. >> >> An active ambassador is someone who: >> >> 1) Has joined the group in FAS. >> 2) Reads and/or posts on fedora-ambassadors-list. >> 3) Has a useful, up-to-date personal page on the Fedora wiki. >> >> And does one or more of: >> >> * Attends or organizes an event once in a release cycle. >> * Maintains a blog on Planet Fedora, with about one post per month. >> * Participates on fedora-list or fedoraforum.org to help people w/ >> questions. >> * Indicates their willingness to mentor and guide new contributors or new >> users. >> >> +1 >> WHAT DO WE DO WITH INACTIVE AMBASSADORS? >> >> If someone is inactive, we *DO NOT* kick them out of the ambassadors group >> in FAS, and we *DO NOT* remove them from fedora-ambassadors list. >> >> But we should remove them from the "directory of Ambassadors sorted by >> country", which I argue again needs to be much more visible and useful, so >> that those inactive Ambassadors aren't being asked to do public-facing >> things. >> >> When someone re-surfaces or has more time for Ambassadors, we put them >> back >> on the directory. >> >> ================== >> >> Flame me. >> >> --Max >> >> But what do we do with inactive Ambassadors, who are inactive from a long >> time? Are they Ambassadors for ever??!! >> >> >> >> > > > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > -- HACATAKA http://bitacorahelpdesk.blogspot.com/ https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Hacataka -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tatica at fedoraproject.org Thu Feb 19 19:22:11 2009 From: tatica at fedoraproject.org (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Mar=EDa_Leandro?=) Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2009 14:52:11 +1930 Subject: RES: [Ambassadors] inactive ambassadors, a proposed solution In-Reply-To: <499DB02F.3010704@yahoo.com.mx> References: <27a6293b0902190825s3ea0c475nfaa6171262417693@mail.gmail.com> <00de01c992b2$2b6800c0$82380240$@com.br> <21179be0902190855t52f60649m5e51d17d88cb5888@mail.gmail.com> <00e801c992b6$7ee04560$7ca0d020$@com.br> <499DB02F.3010704@yahoo.com.mx> Message-ID: <27a6293b0902191122k7fd2b876s9dce46d52fdf9808@mail.gmail.com> Can't we have 1 ambassador report from each country/city ? In those extreme situations I think this could work 2009/2/20 Charly Manjarrez > Maybe if we define the list of the country leaders be much easy to know who > works or not > > > > Rodrigo Menezes wrote: > >> I don't know how these works in the rest of the world, but I'm one of the >> firsts Ambassadors in Brazil. We are 44 Ambassadors here, and we know who >> is >> working and who isn't. >> >> To be more focused in our country, we created a local mail list, and are >> working to provide local actions. In this mean time, 5 long years, we >> talked >> with Fedora Board to remove inactive Ambassadors, but how we set who is >> working and who isn't? We don't, we just try to contact every Ambassador, >> from time to time, to get an report of their actions. I can tell you that >> 10% or 20% doesn't even respond our e-mails. We know that more 10% or 20% >> isn't working with Fedora, assign Ambassador Group to have their name in >> our >> staff. In this situation I believe necessary a kick off, only in this >> situation. >> >> Cheers, >> >> Rodrigo Menezes >> >> >> >> De: fedora-ambassadors-list-bounces at redhat.com >> [mailto:fedora-ambassadors-list-bounces at redhat.com] Em nome de Adli >> Azaddin >> Enviada em: quinta-feira, 19 de fevereiro de 2009 13:56 >> Para: fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com >> Assunto: Re: [Ambassadors] inactive ambassadors, a proposed solution >> >> i agree with Rodrigo Menezes >> >> cheers again :D >> On Fri, Feb 20, 2009 at 12:50 AM, Rodrigo Menezes >> wrote: >> Mar?a, >> >> How can you identify a Ambassador who really works for the Project? >> >> Contribute as an Ambassador doesn't mean that you need to work in a >> upstream >> Project. If I produce lectures in my city (a small city in South Brazil), >> I'm contributing, and this work will never be noticed by you. How can you >> define if I'm working or not? >> >> How can you assign task for some Ambassador who use all of his free time >> to >> distribute DVDs, produce lectures? You cannot. >> >> Cheers, >> >> Rodrigo Menezes >> >> >> >> De: fedora-ambassadors-list-bounces at redhat.com >> [mailto:fedora-ambassadors-list-bounces at redhat.com] Em nome de Mar?a >> Leandro >> Enviada em: quinta-feira, 19 de fevereiro de 2009 13:26 >> Para: fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com >> Assunto: Re: [Ambassadors] inactive ambassadors, a proposed solution >> >> We also know that we have some ambassadors that don't contribute with any >> project. What do we do with them? >> >> I think we should contact them an assign some task... just to incorporate >> them to the team >> 2009/2/20 Ashiqur Rahman Angel >> On Thu, Feb 19, 2009 at 5:34 PM, Max Spevack wrote: >> The purpose of this email is to try to lay out a roadmap for solving, once >> and for all, the question of inactive Fedora Ambassadors. >> >> GOALS OF IDENTIFYING INACTIVE AMBASSADORS: >> >> (1) Housekeeping. All projects need to have their membership rosters >> pruned >> from time to time. In Ambassadors, this is particularly important because >> non-Fedora people might get in touch with Ambassadors, and if they don't >> receive a response, it looks like Fedora is ignorning them. Other >> sub-projects for which identifying inactive ambassadors are crucial is >> packaging. If someone drops off the face of the earth, their packages >> need >> to be given to a new owner. >> >> Pages that need to a "refresh" policy: >> >> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/CountryList <-- I argue that >> CountryList is the wrong name for this page, and it should be called >> Directory. >> >> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/MembershipService/Verification >> >> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/Count <-- why do we even need >> this page? Doesn't the CountryList page serve the same purpose? >> >> How often are these pages currently updated? Is the process manual or >> automated, or a mixture of both? >> >> >> (2) Give a more prominent location to the "list of ambassadors per >> country". >> That page should be the most visited page in all of Fedora Ambassadors. >> People who are trying to find out about Fedora should be visiting it, and >> Ambassadors who are looking for other Fedora folks near them should be >> visiting it. >> >> We should have something on fedoraproject.org that says "are you >> interested >> in Fedora? Find a Fedora Ambassador near you to give you some >> information" >> and you type in your location, and it spits back a list of Ambassadors >> near >> you. >> >> >> (3) In order for any of (2) to be successful, we need to make sure that >> the >> people who are listed as Ambassadors are actually paying attention to the >> Ambassadors part of Fedora. If someone is not, it doesn't mean that they >> are a bad person -- it just means that they don't want to have to deal >> with >> organizing events or asking questions from newbies to the project. >> >> I wouldn't be offended if someone removed me from the Fedora >> Infrastructure >> group in FAS, because *I DON'T DO ANYTHING WITH FEDORA INFRASTRUCTURE*. >> It >> doesn't mean I'm a bad person or not a Fedora contributor, it just means >> that I don't participate in that part of Fedora. >> >> >> HOW DO WE IDENTIFY ACTIVE AMBASSADORS? >> >> We come up with a policy that is simple, and fair. >> >> An active ambassador is someone who: >> >> 1) Has joined the group in FAS. >> 2) Reads and/or posts on fedora-ambassadors-list. >> 3) Has a useful, up-to-date personal page on the Fedora wiki. >> >> And does one or more of: >> >> * Attends or organizes an event once in a release cycle. >> * Maintains a blog on Planet Fedora, with about one post per month. >> * Participates on fedora-list or fedoraforum.org to help people w/ >> questions. >> * Indicates their willingness to mentor and guide new contributors or new >> users. >> >> +1 >> WHAT DO WE DO WITH INACTIVE AMBASSADORS? >> >> If someone is inactive, we *DO NOT* kick them out of the ambassadors group >> in FAS, and we *DO NOT* remove them from fedora-ambassadors list. >> >> But we should remove them from the "directory of Ambassadors sorted by >> country", which I argue again needs to be much more visible and useful, so >> that those inactive Ambassadors aren't being asked to do public-facing >> things. >> >> When someone re-surfaces or has more time for Ambassadors, we put them >> back >> on the directory. >> >> ================== >> >> Flame me. >> >> --Max >> >> But what do we do with inactive Ambassadors, who are inactive from a long >> time? Are they Ambassadors for ever??!! >> >> >> -- >> Angel >> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Angel >> 0DF8 3CD4 AFE3 68C6 2CDA 9F17 14B8 1A15 E5F7 73C2 >> >> Fedora -- Freedom? and rapid innovation >> >> >> -- >> Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list >> Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list >> >> >> -- >> tatica >> Maria Gracia Leandro >> http://www.tatica.org >> http://www.iseit.net >> http://www.latinux.org >> http://www.latinux.com >> http://www.fedora-ve.org >> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/MariaLeandro >> LinuxUser= 440285 >> GPG Public Key: E1CDCC56 >> "Be yourself... Don't be anyone else" >> >> __________________________________________________ >> Fa?a liga??es para outros computadores com o novo Yahoo! Messenger >> http://br.beta.messenger.yahoo.com/ >> >> -- >> Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list >> Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - >> Sempre a melhor op??o para voc?! Experimente j? e veja as novidades. >> http://br.yahoo.com/mailbeta/tudonovo/ >> >> -- >> Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list >> Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list >> >> >> > > > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > -- tatica Maria Gracia Leandro http://www.tatica.org http://www.iseit.net http://www.latinux.org http://www.latinux.com http://www.fedora-ve.org http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/MariaLeandro LinuxUser= 440285 GPG Public Key: E1CDCC56 "Be yourself... Don't be anyone else" -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fhornain at gmail.com Thu Feb 19 19:49:27 2009 From: fhornain at gmail.com (Frederic Hornain) Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2009 20:49:27 +0100 Subject: RES: [Ambassadors] inactive ambassadors, a proposed solution In-Reply-To: <27a6293b0902191122k7fd2b876s9dce46d52fdf9808@mail.gmail.com> References: <27a6293b0902190825s3ea0c475nfaa6171262417693@mail.gmail.com> <00de01c992b2$2b6800c0$82380240$@com.br> <21179be0902190855t52f60649m5e51d17d88cb5888@mail.gmail.com> <00e801c992b6$7ee04560$7ca0d020$@com.br> <499DB02F.3010704@yahoo.com.mx> <27a6293b0902191122k7fd2b876s9dce46d52fdf9808@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <3161376e0902191149p349736b6gbb577a619d298824@mail.gmail.com> > To me, very few people can: the local leaders. They are the ones who > know the Ambassadors in their region and what they do. And if there's > an Ambassador in their region they never heard of, maybe it means he > is inactive... +1 BR Frederic 2009/2/19 Mar?a Leandro > Can't we have 1 ambassador report from each country/city ? In those extreme > situations I think this could work > > 2009/2/20 Charly Manjarrez > > Maybe if we define the list of the country leaders be much easy to know who >> works or not >> >> >> >> Rodrigo Menezes wrote: >> >>> I don't know how these works in the rest of the world, but I'm one of the >>> firsts Ambassadors in Brazil. We are 44 Ambassadors here, and we know who >>> is >>> working and who isn't. >>> >>> To be more focused in our country, we created a local mail list, and are >>> working to provide local actions. In this mean time, 5 long years, we >>> talked >>> with Fedora Board to remove inactive Ambassadors, but how we set who is >>> working and who isn't? We don't, we just try to contact every Ambassador, >>> from time to time, to get an report of their actions. I can tell you >>> that >>> 10% or 20% doesn't even respond our e-mails. We know that more 10% or 20% >>> isn't working with Fedora, assign Ambassador Group to have their name in >>> our >>> staff. In this situation I believe necessary a kick off, only in this >>> situation. >>> >>> Cheers, >>> >>> Rodrigo Menezes >>> >>> >>> >>> De: fedora-ambassadors-list-bounces at redhat.com >>> [mailto:fedora-ambassadors-list-bounces at redhat.com] Em nome de Adli >>> Azaddin >>> Enviada em: quinta-feira, 19 de fevereiro de 2009 13:56 >>> Para: fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com >>> Assunto: Re: [Ambassadors] inactive ambassadors, a proposed solution >>> >>> i agree with Rodrigo Menezes >>> >>> cheers again :D >>> On Fri, Feb 20, 2009 at 12:50 AM, Rodrigo Menezes >>> wrote: >>> Mar?a, >>> >>> How can you identify a Ambassador who really works for the Project? >>> >>> Contribute as an Ambassador doesn't mean that you need to work in a >>> upstream >>> Project. If I produce lectures in my city (a small city in South Brazil), >>> I'm contributing, and this work will never be noticed by you. How can you >>> define if I'm working or not? >>> >>> How can you assign task for some Ambassador who use all of his free time >>> to >>> distribute DVDs, produce lectures? You cannot. >>> >>> Cheers, >>> >>> Rodrigo Menezes >>> >>> >>> >>> De: fedora-ambassadors-list-bounces at redhat.com >>> [mailto:fedora-ambassadors-list-bounces at redhat.com] Em nome de Mar?a >>> Leandro >>> Enviada em: quinta-feira, 19 de fevereiro de 2009 13:26 >>> Para: fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com >>> Assunto: Re: [Ambassadors] inactive ambassadors, a proposed solution >>> >>> We also know that we have some ambassadors that don't contribute with any >>> project. What do we do with them? >>> >>> I think we should contact them an assign some task... just to incorporate >>> them to the team >>> 2009/2/20 Ashiqur Rahman Angel >>> On Thu, Feb 19, 2009 at 5:34 PM, Max Spevack >>> wrote: >>> The purpose of this email is to try to lay out a roadmap for solving, >>> once >>> and for all, the question of inactive Fedora Ambassadors. >>> >>> GOALS OF IDENTIFYING INACTIVE AMBASSADORS: >>> >>> (1) Housekeeping. All projects need to have their membership rosters >>> pruned >>> from time to time. In Ambassadors, this is particularly important >>> because >>> non-Fedora people might get in touch with Ambassadors, and if they don't >>> receive a response, it looks like Fedora is ignorning them. Other >>> sub-projects for which identifying inactive ambassadors are crucial is >>> packaging. If someone drops off the face of the earth, their packages >>> need >>> to be given to a new owner. >>> >>> Pages that need to a "refresh" policy: >>> >>> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/CountryList <-- I argue that >>> CountryList is the wrong name for this page, and it should be called >>> Directory. >>> >>> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/MembershipService/Verification >>> >>> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/Count <-- why do we even need >>> this page? Doesn't the CountryList page serve the same purpose? >>> >>> How often are these pages currently updated? Is the process manual or >>> automated, or a mixture of both? >>> >>> >>> (2) Give a more prominent location to the "list of ambassadors per >>> country". >>> That page should be the most visited page in all of Fedora Ambassadors. >>> People who are trying to find out about Fedora should be visiting it, >>> and >>> Ambassadors who are looking for other Fedora folks near them should be >>> visiting it. >>> >>> We should have something on fedoraproject.org that says "are you >>> interested >>> in Fedora? Find a Fedora Ambassador near you to give you some >>> information" >>> and you type in your location, and it spits back a list of Ambassadors >>> near >>> you. >>> >>> >>> (3) In order for any of (2) to be successful, we need to make sure that >>> the >>> people who are listed as Ambassadors are actually paying attention to the >>> Ambassadors part of Fedora. If someone is not, it doesn't mean that they >>> are a bad person -- it just means that they don't want to have to deal >>> with >>> organizing events or asking questions from newbies to the project. >>> >>> I wouldn't be offended if someone removed me from the Fedora >>> Infrastructure >>> group in FAS, because *I DON'T DO ANYTHING WITH FEDORA INFRASTRUCTURE*. >>> It >>> doesn't mean I'm a bad person or not a Fedora contributor, it just means >>> that I don't participate in that part of Fedora. >>> >>> >>> HOW DO WE IDENTIFY ACTIVE AMBASSADORS? >>> >>> We come up with a policy that is simple, and fair. >>> >>> An active ambassador is someone who: >>> >>> 1) Has joined the group in FAS. >>> 2) Reads and/or posts on fedora-ambassadors-list. >>> 3) Has a useful, up-to-date personal page on the Fedora wiki. >>> >>> And does one or more of: >>> >>> * Attends or organizes an event once in a release cycle. >>> * Maintains a blog on Planet Fedora, with about one post per month. >>> * Participates on fedora-list or fedoraforum.org to help people w/ >>> questions. >>> * Indicates their willingness to mentor and guide new contributors or new >>> users. >>> >>> +1 >>> WHAT DO WE DO WITH INACTIVE AMBASSADORS? >>> >>> If someone is inactive, we *DO NOT* kick them out of the ambassadors >>> group >>> in FAS, and we *DO NOT* remove them from fedora-ambassadors list. >>> >>> But we should remove them from the "directory of Ambassadors sorted by >>> country", which I argue again needs to be much more visible and useful, >>> so >>> that those inactive Ambassadors aren't being asked to do public-facing >>> things. >>> >>> When someone re-surfaces or has more time for Ambassadors, we put them >>> back >>> on the directory. >>> >>> ================== >>> >>> Flame me. >>> >>> --Max >>> >>> But what do we do with inactive Ambassadors, who are inactive from a long >>> time? Are they Ambassadors for ever??!! >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Angel >>> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Angel >>> 0DF8 3CD4 AFE3 68C6 2CDA 9F17 14B8 1A15 E5F7 73C2 >>> >>> Fedora -- Freedom? and rapid innovation >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list >>> Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com >>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list >>> >>> >>> -- >>> tatica >>> Maria Gracia Leandro >>> http://www.tatica.org >>> http://www.iseit.net >>> http://www.latinux.org >>> http://www.latinux.com >>> http://www.fedora-ve.org >>> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/MariaLeandro >>> LinuxUser= 440285 >>> GPG Public Key: E1CDCC56 >>> "Be yourself... Don't be anyone else" >>> >>> __________________________________________________ >>> Fa?a liga??es para outros computadores com o novo Yahoo! Messenger >>> http://br.beta.messenger.yahoo.com/ >>> >>> -- >>> Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list >>> Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com >>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - >>> Sempre a melhor op??o para voc?! Experimente j? e veja as novidades. >>> http://br.yahoo.com/mailbeta/tudonovo/ >>> >>> -- >>> Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list >>> Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com >>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list >> Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list >> > > > > -- > tatica > Maria Gracia Leandro > http://www.tatica.org > http://www.iseit.net > http://www.latinux.org > http://www.latinux.com > http://www.fedora-ve.org > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/MariaLeandro > LinuxUser= 440285 > GPG Public Key: E1CDCC56 > "Be yourself... 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URL: From terrance.hutchinson at gmail.com Thu Feb 19 19:50:37 2009 From: terrance.hutchinson at gmail.com (Terrance Hutchinson) Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2009 12:50:37 -0700 Subject: RES: [Ambassadors] inactive ambassadors, a proposed solution In-Reply-To: <27a6293b0902191122k7fd2b876s9dce46d52fdf9808@mail.gmail.com> References: <27a6293b0902190825s3ea0c475nfaa6171262417693@mail.gmail.com> <00de01c992b2$2b6800c0$82380240$@com.br> <21179be0902190855t52f60649m5e51d17d88cb5888@mail.gmail.com> <00e801c992b6$7ee04560$7ca0d020$@com.br> <499DB02F.3010704@yahoo.com.mx> <27a6293b0902191122k7fd2b876s9dce46d52fdf9808@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <90460ac00902191150n74394c85w5e23b1a77b578c18@mail.gmail.com> I can say that I haven't much time yet due to a project at work, but I am currently creating an event at a local college for April. I just have a project that needs to be code complete relatively soon and we lost developers so I am working more than I wish. I have set up a blog and have created some posts in regards to Fedora 10 FEL. I guess what I am trying to say that since I have only been ambassador for about a month, that don't remove me from the list, I will be more active once I clear my workload. I apologize for not being active immediately. 2009/2/19 Mar?a Leandro > Can't we have 1 ambassador report from each country/city ? In those extreme > situations I think this could work > > 2009/2/20 Charly Manjarrez > > Maybe if we define the list of the country leaders be much easy to know who >> works or not >> >> >> >> Rodrigo Menezes wrote: >> >>> I don't know how these works in the rest of the world, but I'm one of the >>> firsts Ambassadors in Brazil. We are 44 Ambassadors here, and we know who >>> is >>> working and who isn't. >>> >>> To be more focused in our country, we created a local mail list, and are >>> working to provide local actions. In this mean time, 5 long years, we >>> talked >>> with Fedora Board to remove inactive Ambassadors, but how we set who is >>> working and who isn't? We don't, we just try to contact every Ambassador, >>> from time to time, to get an report of their actions. I can tell you >>> that >>> 10% or 20% doesn't even respond our e-mails. We know that more 10% or 20% >>> isn't working with Fedora, assign Ambassador Group to have their name in >>> our >>> staff. In this situation I believe necessary a kick off, only in this >>> situation. >>> >>> Cheers, >>> >>> Rodrigo Menezes >>> >>> >>> >>> De: fedora-ambassadors-list-bounces at redhat.com >>> [mailto:fedora-ambassadors-list-bounces at redhat.com] Em nome de Adli >>> Azaddin >>> Enviada em: quinta-feira, 19 de fevereiro de 2009 13:56 >>> Para: fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com >>> Assunto: Re: [Ambassadors] inactive ambassadors, a proposed solution >>> >>> i agree with Rodrigo Menezes >>> >>> cheers again :D >>> On Fri, Feb 20, 2009 at 12:50 AM, Rodrigo Menezes >>> wrote: >>> Mar?a, >>> >>> How can you identify a Ambassador who really works for the Project? >>> >>> Contribute as an Ambassador doesn't mean that you need to work in a >>> upstream >>> Project. If I produce lectures in my city (a small city in South Brazil), >>> I'm contributing, and this work will never be noticed by you. How can you >>> define if I'm working or not? >>> >>> How can you assign task for some Ambassador who use all of his free time >>> to >>> distribute DVDs, produce lectures? You cannot. >>> >>> Cheers, >>> >>> Rodrigo Menezes >>> >>> >>> >>> De: fedora-ambassadors-list-bounces at redhat.com >>> [mailto:fedora-ambassadors-list-bounces at redhat.com] Em nome de Mar?a >>> Leandro >>> Enviada em: quinta-feira, 19 de fevereiro de 2009 13:26 >>> Para: fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com >>> Assunto: Re: [Ambassadors] inactive ambassadors, a proposed solution >>> >>> We also know that we have some ambassadors that don't contribute with any >>> project. What do we do with them? >>> >>> I think we should contact them an assign some task... just to incorporate >>> them to the team >>> 2009/2/20 Ashiqur Rahman Angel >>> On Thu, Feb 19, 2009 at 5:34 PM, Max Spevack >>> wrote: >>> The purpose of this email is to try to lay out a roadmap for solving, >>> once >>> and for all, the question of inactive Fedora Ambassadors. >>> >>> GOALS OF IDENTIFYING INACTIVE AMBASSADORS: >>> >>> (1) Housekeeping. All projects need to have their membership rosters >>> pruned >>> from time to time. In Ambassadors, this is particularly important >>> because >>> non-Fedora people might get in touch with Ambassadors, and if they don't >>> receive a response, it looks like Fedora is ignorning them. Other >>> sub-projects for which identifying inactive ambassadors are crucial is >>> packaging. If someone drops off the face of the earth, their packages >>> need >>> to be given to a new owner. >>> >>> Pages that need to a "refresh" policy: >>> >>> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/CountryList <-- I argue that >>> CountryList is the wrong name for this page, and it should be called >>> Directory. >>> >>> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/MembershipService/Verification >>> >>> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/Count <-- why do we even need >>> this page? Doesn't the CountryList page serve the same purpose? >>> >>> How often are these pages currently updated? Is the process manual or >>> automated, or a mixture of both? >>> >>> >>> (2) Give a more prominent location to the "list of ambassadors per >>> country". >>> That page should be the most visited page in all of Fedora Ambassadors. >>> People who are trying to find out about Fedora should be visiting it, >>> and >>> Ambassadors who are looking for other Fedora folks near them should be >>> visiting it. >>> >>> We should have something on fedoraproject.org that says "are you >>> interested >>> in Fedora? Find a Fedora Ambassador near you to give you some >>> information" >>> and you type in your location, and it spits back a list of Ambassadors >>> near >>> you. >>> >>> >>> (3) In order for any of (2) to be successful, we need to make sure that >>> the >>> people who are listed as Ambassadors are actually paying attention to the >>> Ambassadors part of Fedora. If someone is not, it doesn't mean that they >>> are a bad person -- it just means that they don't want to have to deal >>> with >>> organizing events or asking questions from newbies to the project. >>> >>> I wouldn't be offended if someone removed me from the Fedora >>> Infrastructure >>> group in FAS, because *I DON'T DO ANYTHING WITH FEDORA INFRASTRUCTURE*. >>> It >>> doesn't mean I'm a bad person or not a Fedora contributor, it just means >>> that I don't participate in that part of Fedora. >>> >>> >>> HOW DO WE IDENTIFY ACTIVE AMBASSADORS? >>> >>> We come up with a policy that is simple, and fair. >>> >>> An active ambassador is someone who: >>> >>> 1) Has joined the group in FAS. >>> 2) Reads and/or posts on fedora-ambassadors-list. >>> 3) Has a useful, up-to-date personal page on the Fedora wiki. >>> >>> And does one or more of: >>> >>> * Attends or organizes an event once in a release cycle. >>> * Maintains a blog on Planet Fedora, with about one post per month. >>> * Participates on fedora-list or fedoraforum.org to help people w/ >>> questions. >>> * Indicates their willingness to mentor and guide new contributors or new >>> users. >>> >>> +1 >>> WHAT DO WE DO WITH INACTIVE AMBASSADORS? >>> >>> If someone is inactive, we *DO NOT* kick them out of the ambassadors >>> group >>> in FAS, and we *DO NOT* remove them from fedora-ambassadors list. >>> >>> But we should remove them from the "directory of Ambassadors sorted by >>> country", which I argue again needs to be much more visible and useful, >>> so >>> that those inactive Ambassadors aren't being asked to do public-facing >>> things. >>> >>> When someone re-surfaces or has more time for Ambassadors, we put them >>> back >>> on the directory. >>> >>> ================== >>> >>> Flame me. >>> >>> --Max >>> >>> But what do we do with inactive Ambassadors, who are inactive from a long >>> time? Are they Ambassadors for ever??!! >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Angel >>> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Angel >>> 0DF8 3CD4 AFE3 68C6 2CDA 9F17 14B8 1A15 E5F7 73C2 >>> >>> Fedora -- Freedom? and rapid innovation >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list >>> Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com >>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list >>> >>> >>> -- >>> tatica >>> Maria Gracia Leandro >>> http://www.tatica.org >>> http://www.iseit.net >>> http://www.latinux.org >>> http://www.latinux.com >>> http://www.fedora-ve.org >>> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/MariaLeandro >>> LinuxUser= 440285 >>> GPG Public Key: E1CDCC56 >>> "Be yourself... Don't be anyone else" >>> >>> __________________________________________________ >>> Fa?a liga??es para outros computadores com o novo Yahoo! 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URL: From nacross at gmail.com Thu Feb 19 19:54:29 2009 From: nacross at gmail.com (Neville A. Cross) Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2009 13:54:29 -0600 Subject: [Ambassadors] inactive ambassadors, a proposed solution In-Reply-To: <012a01c992bf$ebf48810$c3dd9830$@com.br> References: <27a6293b0902190825s3ea0c475nfaa6171262417693@mail.gmail.com> <00de01c992b2$2b6800c0$82380240$@com.br> <27a6293b0902190904s10bf4cd8t98daeca17690887b@mail.gmail.com> <010401c992b7$50f60260$f2e20720$@com.br> <012a01c992bf$ebf48810$c3dd9830$@com.br> Message-ID: On Thu, Feb 19, 2009 at 12:28 PM, Rodrigo Menezes wrote: > Neville, > > In a country with few members, a near country could monitor their actions > provide guidelines for they. As a worldwide program, the core doesn't know > how local users in each country works, but near country does, or should do. > > "Or when the group members have better communication to fedora at large that > among themselves?" > > Why not create this communication for all group members? Off course USA will > talk directly with Fedora Core, but other groups should create this mature > local group to be stronger and accomplish bigger goals. > > Cheers, > > Rodrigo Menezes > > > I will love to have a Central American Ambassador Group... but hey! All the other country leaders are flagged in red when you check the country list. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/CountryList#Central_America So, I can not contact them to submit my monthly report. What I really want to point is that not all country/regions are at the same level of maturity. So the solution should have to accommodate some differences or be flexible. -- Neville https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Yn1v Linux User # 473217 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Check: http://www.clickmanagua.com - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - From crossbytes at gmail.com Thu Feb 19 20:00:41 2009 From: crossbytes at gmail.com (Kevin Higgins) Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2009 12:00:41 -0800 Subject: RES: [Ambassadors] inactive ambassadors, a proposed solution In-Reply-To: <27a6293b0902191122k7fd2b876s9dce46d52fdf9808@mail.gmail.com> References: <27a6293b0902190825s3ea0c475nfaa6171262417693@mail.gmail.com> <00de01c992b2$2b6800c0$82380240$@com.br> <21179be0902190855t52f60649m5e51d17d88cb5888@mail.gmail.com> <00e801c992b6$7ee04560$7ca0d020$@com.br> <499DB02F.3010704@yahoo.com.mx> <27a6293b0902191122k7fd2b876s9dce46d52fdf9808@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: >HOW DO WE IDENTIFY ACTIVE AMBASSADORS? >We come up with a policy that is simple, and fair. >An active ambassador is someone who: >1) Has joined the group in FAS. >2) Reads and/or posts on fedora-ambassadors-list. >3) Has a useful, up-to-date personal page on the Fedora wiki. >And does one or more of: >* Attends or organizes an event once in a release cycle. >* Maintains a blog on Planet Fedora, with about one post per month. >* Participates on fedora-list or fedoraforum.org to help people w/questions. >* Indicates their willingness to mentor and guide new contributors or new users. Every Computer System that we put out into the Schools has Fedora Installed and I have to do a presentation at every School several times over.. but I would not consider these "Events" ..so based on the above requirements I would be considered a non-active Ambassador..and I do think that I am very active and contributing a lot to the Open Source Community and in Particular Fedora.. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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And if there's > > > an Ambassador in their region they never heard of, maybe it means he > > > is inactive... > > > > +1 > > +1 for me too... I think the local leaders will be a crucial point on > any system or process for identifying an inactive ambassador. > > ~? > > > Luca > -- > Pierros Papadeas > PGP key: 0x6130DBF8 > > liknus @ GRnet , Freenode > > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From svbrand at alumnos.inf.utfsm.cl Thu Feb 19 20:40:03 2009 From: svbrand at alumnos.inf.utfsm.cl (Sven von Brand) Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2009 17:40:03 -0300 Subject: RES: [Ambassadors] inactive ambassadors, a proposed solution In-Reply-To: <012a01c992bf$ebf48810$c3dd9830$@com.br> References: <27a6293b0902190825s3ea0c475nfaa6171262417693@mail.gmail.com> <00de01c992b2$2b6800c0$82380240$@com.br> <27a6293b0902190904s10bf4cd8t98daeca17690887b@mail.gmail.com> <010401c992b7$50f60260$f2e20720$@com.br> <012a01c992bf$ebf48810$c3dd9830$@com.br> Message-ID: <499DC3A3.4040709@alumnos.inf.utfsm.cl> Rodrigo Menezes wrote: > Neville, > > In a country with few members, a near country could monitor their actions > provide guidelines for they. As a worldwide program, the core doesn't know > how local users in each country works, but near country does, or should do. > We have a situation like that here in Chile, but we are participating in many events, and this year we're part of the organization of the biggest Linux related event in Chile, Encuentro Linux, in this event there will be more than 5 Universities participating and also many communities, including the Debian's and Ubuntu's. In 2008 event we represented Fedora, by giving a speech about Fedora, we made T-Shirts and gave DVD's to the public. We haven't participated here much, in part because of the work we're doing for the upcoming event. So I also think each country should try to make a self cleaning, as some Ambassadors don't speek English well enough to actively participate in this list and other projects, but are a great contribution to their own country. > "Or when the group members have better communication to fedora at large that > among themselves?" > > Why not create this communication for all group members? Off course USA will > talk directly with Fedora Core, but other groups should create this mature > local group to be stronger and accomplish bigger goals. > > Cheers, > > Rodrigo Menezes > > > > -----Mensagem original----- > De: fedora-ambassadors-list-bounces at redhat.com > [mailto:fedora-ambassadors-list-bounces at redhat.com] Em nome de Neville A. > Cross > Enviada em: quinta-feira, 19 de fevereiro de 2009 15:21 > Para: fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > Assunto: Re: [Ambassadors] inactive ambassadors, a proposed solution > > 2009/2/19 Shambo Bose : > >> +1 to local groups to control local Ambassador membership. >> >> Shambo Bose >> > > That may work for mature groups. What happen with those countries that > only have one ambassador. Or when the group members have better > communication to fedora at large that among thenselves? > > But sure, if the is the local group can handle it, better leave at local > level. > > -- Sven von Brand Fedora Ambassador for Chile From luca at foppiano.org Thu Feb 19 20:55:03 2009 From: luca at foppiano.org (Luca Foppiano) Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2009 21:55:03 +0100 Subject: [Ambassadors] inactive ambassadors, a proposed solution In-Reply-To: References: <27a6293b0902190825s3ea0c475nfaa6171262417693@mail.gmail.com> <00de01c992b2$2b6800c0$82380240$@com.br> <27a6293b0902190904s10bf4cd8t98daeca17690887b@mail.gmail.com> <010401c992b7$50f60260$f2e20720$@com.br> <012a01c992bf$ebf48810$c3dd9830$@com.br> Message-ID: <1235076903.6846.441.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Thu, 2009-02-19 at 13:54 -0600, Neville A. Cross wrote: > I will love to have a Central American Ambassador Group... but hey! > All the other country leaders are flagged in red when you check the > country list. > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/CountryList#Central_America > > So, I can not contact them to submit my monthly report. > > What I really want to point is that not all country/regions are at the > same level of maturity. So the solution should have to accommodate > some differences or be flexible. yes, of course... but I think any decision about active/inactive ambassadors will be pass through local community members... Luca -- Today is Setting Orange, the 50th day of Chaos in the YOLD 3175 Celebrate Chaoflux You are a very redundant person, that's what kind of person you are. From fab at fedoraproject.org Thu Feb 19 21:56:51 2009 From: fab at fedoraproject.org (Fabian Affolter) Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2009 22:56:51 +0100 Subject: [Ambassadors] inactive ambassadors, a proposed solution In-Reply-To: <200902191419.38599.jsimon@fedoraproject.org> References: <200902191419.38599.jsimon@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <499DD5A3.90303@fedoraproject.org> Joerg Simon schrieb: > Am Donnerstag 19 Februar 2009 12:34:20 schrieb Max Spevack: >> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/MembershipService/Verification A simple script grab the data out of the FAS but the wiki part has to be done by hand. >> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/Count <-- why do we even need >> this page? Doesn't the CountryList page serve the same purpose? The Count page is a summary of all country categories from the wiki. If an ambassador put '[[Category:AmbassadorsCountry]]' on her/his page then the name shows up on the country category page. As you know this is a mediawiki feature. Fabian -- Fingerprint: 2F6C 930F D3C4 7E38 6AFA 4EB4 E23C D2DD 36A4 397F Fedora always leads and never follows. From electromech at electromech.info Fri Feb 20 03:55:54 2009 From: electromech at electromech.info (Electromech) Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2009 09:25:54 +0530 Subject: [Ambassadors] Small seminar at AIT Engineering college , Ahmedabad Gujarat In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <499E29CA.8000606@electromech.info> Hi All, I am going to conduct one small seminar for Linux and Fedora at AIT Engeneering college , AHMEDABAD. This is only limited for the college students and general Linux and Fedora only. I am going to distribute Fedora 10 DVD free at the college. ( approximate 60 DVDs ). It is on 21st Feb 2009. Will submit the report. Thanx -- Nilesh Vaghela ElectroMech Redhat Channel Partner and Training Partner 16, Sun Rise complex, Nr. Mansi cross Road, Satellite Rd, Ahmedabad 25, The Emperor, Fatehgunj, Baroda. www.electromech.info From sudheer.s at binaryvibes.co.in Fri Feb 20 05:12:38 2009 From: sudheer.s at binaryvibes.co.in (Sudheer) Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2009 10:42:38 +0530 Subject: RES: [Ambassadors] inactive ambassadors, a proposed solution In-Reply-To: References: <27a6293b0902190825s3ea0c475nfaa6171262417693@mail.gmail.com> <00de01c992b2$2b6800c0$82380240$@com.br> <21179be0902190855t52f60649m5e51d17d88cb5888@mail.gmail.com> <00e801c992b6$7ee04560$7ca0d020$@com.br> <499DB02F.3010704@yahoo.com.mx> <27a6293b0902191122k7fd2b876s9dce46d52fdf9808@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <499E3BC6.8020905@binaryvibes.co.in> Kevin Higgins wrote: > >HOW DO WE IDENTIFY ACTIVE AMBASSADORS? > > >We come up with a policy that is simple, and fair. > > >An active ambassador is someone who: > > >1) Has joined the group in FAS. > >2) Reads and/or posts on fedora-ambassadors-list. > >3) Has a useful, up-to-date personal page on the Fedora wiki. > > >And does one or more of: > > >* Attends or organizes an event once in a release cycle. Like other people have noted, there are numerous ways to contribute to the Fedora project. I have helped more than 100 people in my city to obtain the Fedora image. I just burn the Fedora image to the DVD media they bring. Initially, I was updating each media burn on the Wiki. Nowadays, I have stopped updating the Wiki. But I do help people obtain Fedora media. I even help lot of people with Fedora related technical issues. I run my own blog and forum site where I write about Fedora too and answer questions about Fedora. > >* Maintains a blog on Planet Fedora, with about one post per month. With a little effort, maybe I can enlist myself in the planet. > >* Participates on fedora-list or fedoraforum.org > to help people w/questions. How about IRC and other Forums? -- With warm regards, Sudheer. S Business: http://binaryvibes.co.in, Tech stuff: http://techchorus.net, Personal: http://sudheer.net From foss.mailinglists at gmail.com Fri Feb 20 05:44:26 2009 From: foss.mailinglists at gmail.com (Sankarshan Mukhopadhyay) Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2009 11:14:26 +0530 Subject: RES: [Ambassadors] inactive ambassadors, a proposed solution In-Reply-To: References: <27a6293b0902190825s3ea0c475nfaa6171262417693@mail.gmail.com> <00de01c992b2$2b6800c0$82380240$@com.br> <21179be0902190855t52f60649m5e51d17d88cb5888@mail.gmail.com> <00e801c992b6$7ee04560$7ca0d020$@com.br> <499DB02F.3010704@yahoo.com.mx> <27a6293b0902191122k7fd2b876s9dce46d52fdf9808@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <35586fc00902192144l20019a08q2d9c6286aba20cda@mail.gmail.com> 2009/2/20 Kevin Higgins : > Every Computer System that we put out into the Schools has Fedora Installed > and I have to do a presentation at every School several times over.. but I > would not consider these "Events" ..so based on the above requirements I > would be considered a non-active Ambassador..and I do think that I am very > active and contributing a lot to the Open Source Community and in Particular > Fedora.. Let's ask a simple question - do schools and folks in your region who want to know/learn_about/install Fedora *know* that you are the Fedora Ambassador ? And, if they want to get some activity going around Fedora they can contact you and get support/help/guidance/participation ? >From what I read in your response, the answer is a 'Yes'. And, for me that is an Ambassador. Now, let's take the other point-of-view. A person who is a Fedora Ambassador has the name listed on the web-page. Someone in the region wants this Ambassador to help out in some Fedora/FOSS related event and yet receives no response. This could be because of a number of reasons, but the bottom-line remains the same. The potential participant in the Fedora Project goes back disappointed. As the project grows and, we have more Ambassadors, such cases have a tendency to increase. A mail asking the Ambassadors about what they have been doing or, what help they need is a way of figuring how active they are. Just as on IRC, a 'ping' followed by a 'pong' encourages conversation, it does so in real life. We need to see the 'pong' (s) because we then know whom to point new entrants to. A Fedora Ambassador is an Ambassador for life unless they cause immense harm to the Fedora principles, foundations and our general way of collaboration. No one is planning to throw them off the boat, we would rather give them space to allow them to come back into their role once their 'daily life' (or, whatever keeps them away) is set. -- http://www.gutenberg.net - Fine literature digitally re-published http://www.plos.org - Public Library of Science http://www.creativecommons.org - Flexible copyright for creative work From shambo.linux at gmail.com Fri Feb 20 06:52:33 2009 From: shambo.linux at gmail.com (Shambo Bose) Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2009 12:22:33 +0530 Subject: RES: [Ambassadors] inactive ambassadors, a proposed solution In-Reply-To: <35586fc00902192144l20019a08q2d9c6286aba20cda@mail.gmail.com> References: <27a6293b0902190825s3ea0c475nfaa6171262417693@mail.gmail.com> <00de01c992b2$2b6800c0$82380240$@com.br> <21179be0902190855t52f60649m5e51d17d88cb5888@mail.gmail.com> <00e801c992b6$7ee04560$7ca0d020$@com.br> <499DB02F.3010704@yahoo.com.mx> <27a6293b0902191122k7fd2b876s9dce46d52fdf9808@mail.gmail.com> <35586fc00902192144l20019a08q2d9c6286aba20cda@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Fri, Feb 20, 2009 at 11:14 AM, Sankarshan Mukhopadhyay < foss.mailinglists at gmail.com> wrote: > 2009/2/20 Kevin Higgins : > > > Every Computer System that we put out into the Schools has Fedora > Installed > > and I have to do a presentation at every School several times over.. but > I > > would not consider these "Events" ..so based on the above requirements I > > would be considered a non-active Ambassador..and I do think that I am > very > > active and contributing a lot to the Open Source Community and in > Particular > > Fedora.. > > Let's ask a simple question - do schools and folks in your region who > want to know/learn_about/install Fedora *know* that you are the Fedora > Ambassador ? And, if they want to get some activity going around > Fedora they can contact you and get > support/help/guidance/participation ? > > >From what I read in your response, the answer is a 'Yes'. And, for me > that is an Ambassador. > > Now, let's take the other point-of-view. A person who is a Fedora > Ambassador has the name listed on the web-page. Someone in the region > wants this Ambassador to help out in some Fedora/FOSS related event > and yet receives no response. This could be because of a number of > reasons, but the bottom-line remains the same. The potential > participant in the Fedora Project goes back disappointed. > > As the project grows and, we have more Ambassadors, such cases have a > tendency to increase. A mail asking the Ambassadors about what they > have been doing or, what help they need is a way of figuring how > active they are. Just as on IRC, a 'ping' followed by a 'pong' > encourages conversation, it does so in real life. We need to see the > 'pong' (s) because we then know whom to point new entrants to. > > A Fedora Ambassador is an Ambassador for life unless they cause > immense harm to the Fedora principles, foundations and our general way > of collaboration. No one is planning to throw them off the boat, we > would rather give them space to allow them to come back into their > role once their 'daily life' (or, whatever keeps them away) is set. > > -- > > http://www.gutenberg.net - Fine literature digitally re-published > http://www.plos.org - Public Library of Science > http://www.creativecommons.org - Flexible copyright for creative work > > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > We should automate listing of ambassador name in the country directory as soon as he joins as ambassador ( of course after approval), when a person requests to join Fedora Ambassador program he should create the personal wiki through a form then and there so that the ambassador who is approving the request can check that. 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URL: From engels at bluepoint.com.ph Fri Feb 20 07:06:04 2009 From: engels at bluepoint.com.ph (Engels Antonio) Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2009 15:06:04 +0800 (PHT) Subject: RES: [Ambassadors] inactive ambassadors, a proposed solution In-Reply-To: References: <27a6293b0902190825s3ea0c475nfaa6171262417693@mail.gmail.com> <00de01c992b2$2b6800c0$82380240$@com.br> <21179be0902190855t52f60649m5e51d17d88cb5888@mail.gmail.com> <00e801c992b6$7ee04560$7ca0d020$@com.br> <499DB02F.3010704@yahoo.com.mx> <27a6293b0902191122k7fd2b876s9dce46d52fdf9808@mail.gmail.com> <35586fc00902192144l20019a08q2d9c6286aba20cda@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <63656.10.0.0.4.1235113564.squirrel@mail.bluepoint.com.ph> On Fri, February 20, 2009 2:52 pm, Shambo Bose wrote: > Every country should have a central group of ambassadors consists of a > ambassador from each region of the country who will be mentoring new > ambassador from that region . I think this will diminish the number of > inactive ambassadors in a region . I agree. This is also what we are trying to do in the Philippines to help keep local Fedora Ambassadors active. -- Engels Antonio, RHCE, RHCX Bluepoint Foundation http://bluepoint.com.ph/ From adliazaddin at gmail.com Fri Feb 20 07:12:21 2009 From: adliazaddin at gmail.com (Adli Azaddin) Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2009 15:12:21 +0800 Subject: RES: [Ambassadors] inactive ambassadors, a proposed solution In-Reply-To: References: <27a6293b0902190825s3ea0c475nfaa6171262417693@mail.gmail.com> <00de01c992b2$2b6800c0$82380240$@com.br> <21179be0902190855t52f60649m5e51d17d88cb5888@mail.gmail.com> <00e801c992b6$7ee04560$7ca0d020$@com.br> <499DB02F.3010704@yahoo.com.mx> <27a6293b0902191122k7fd2b876s9dce46d52fdf9808@mail.gmail.com> <35586fc00902192144l20019a08q2d9c6286aba20cda@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <21179be0902192312t5155db28ve485bc2605a4f24f@mail.gmail.com> i agree with Shambo Bose cheers! 2009/2/20 Shambo Bose > > > On Fri, Feb 20, 2009 at 11:14 AM, Sankarshan Mukhopadhyay < > foss.mailinglists at gmail.com> wrote: > >> 2009/2/20 Kevin Higgins : >> >> > Every Computer System that we put out into the Schools has Fedora >> Installed >> > and I have to do a presentation at every School several times over.. >> but I >> > would not consider these "Events" ..so based on the above requirements I >> > would be considered a non-active Ambassador..and I do think that I am >> very >> > active and contributing a lot to the Open Source Community and in >> Particular >> > Fedora.. >> >> Let's ask a simple question - do schools and folks in your region who >> want to know/learn_about/install Fedora *know* that you are the Fedora >> Ambassador ? And, if they want to get some activity going around >> Fedora they can contact you and get >> support/help/guidance/participation ? >> >> >From what I read in your response, the answer is a 'Yes'. And, for me >> that is an Ambassador. >> >> Now, let's take the other point-of-view. A person who is a Fedora >> Ambassador has the name listed on the web-page. Someone in the region >> wants this Ambassador to help out in some Fedora/FOSS related event >> and yet receives no response. This could be because of a number of >> reasons, but the bottom-line remains the same. The potential >> participant in the Fedora Project goes back disappointed. >> >> As the project grows and, we have more Ambassadors, such cases have a >> tendency to increase. A mail asking the Ambassadors about what they >> have been doing or, what help they need is a way of figuring how >> active they are. Just as on IRC, a 'ping' followed by a 'pong' >> encourages conversation, it does so in real life. We need to see the >> 'pong' (s) because we then know whom to point new entrants to. >> >> A Fedora Ambassador is an Ambassador for life unless they cause >> immense harm to the Fedora principles, foundations and our general way >> of collaboration. No one is planning to throw them off the boat, we >> would rather give them space to allow them to come back into their >> role once their 'daily life' (or, whatever keeps them away) is set. >> >> -- >> >> http://www.gutenberg.net - Fine literature digitally re-published >> http://www.plos.org - Public Library of Science >> http://www.creativecommons.org - Flexible copyright for creative work >> >> -- >> Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list >> Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list >> > > We should automate listing of ambassador name in the country directory as > soon as he joins as ambassador ( of course after approval), when a person > requests to join Fedora Ambassador program he should create the personal > wiki through a form then and there so that the ambassador who is approving > the request can check that. > > Every country should have a central group of ambassadors consists of a > ambassador from each region of the country who will be mentoring new > ambassador from that region . I think this will diminish the number of > inactive ambassadors in a region . > > > Shambo Bose > > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From josephsmidt at gmail.com Fri Feb 20 07:52:37 2009 From: josephsmidt at gmail.com (Joseph Smidt) Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2009 23:52:37 -0800 Subject: [Ambassadors] I'll be at scale, just running a little late. Message-ID: <142682e10902192352nd70ef79o3e3918bf9b98105a@mail.gmail.com> Sorry to distract people who don't need to hear this, but I will be running a little late to scale and will be there around lunch. I am excited to do some packaging. :) Joseph Smidt -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Joseph Smidt Physics and Astronomy 4129 Frederick Reines Hall Irvine, CA 92697-4575 Office: 949-824-3269 From get_ravi_online2002 at yahoo.com Fri Feb 20 10:54:30 2009 From: get_ravi_online2002 at yahoo.com (rabi kumar) Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2009 16:24:30 +0530 (IST) Subject: [Ambassadors] Distributions of fedora10 DVDS In-Reply-To: <20090219195102.E3615619C56@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <891749.13612.qm@web94308.mail.in2.yahoo.com> Few days before some students from wbut came to me and asking for LINUX DVDS.Today i managed to get it and distributed among all the students who were interested.One of faculty of WBUT? Mr.Santanu Chaterjee was asking me for fedora? stikers? for laptop and i found it was very nice idea that we can design laptop stikers and we can put it in laptops in the place ?of Vista or Windows stikers. ? ? 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URL: From sanjay.ankur at gmail.com Fri Feb 20 11:17:50 2009 From: sanjay.ankur at gmail.com (Ankur Sinha) Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2009 16:47:50 +0530 Subject: [Ambassadors] Distributions of fedora10 DVDS In-Reply-To: <891749.13612.qm@web94308.mail.in2.yahoo.com> References: <891749.13612.qm@web94308.mail.in2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1235128670.3922.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Fri, 2009-02-20 at 16:24 +0530, rabi kumar wrote: > > Few days before some students from wbut came to me and asking for > LINUX DVDS.Today i managed to get it and distributed among all the > students who were interested.One of faculty of WBUT Mr.Santanu > Chaterjee was asking me for fedora stikers for laptop and i found it > was very nice idea that we can design laptop stikers and we can put it > in laptops in the place of Vista or Windows stikers. > > > > > > Rabi kumar > hi, Do you mean something like these :) ? http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/MarketingCollateral regards, Ankur From foss.mailinglists at gmail.com Fri Feb 20 11:49:16 2009 From: foss.mailinglists at gmail.com (Sankarshan Mukhopadhyay) Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2009 17:19:16 +0530 Subject: [Ambassadors] Distributions of fedora10 DVDS In-Reply-To: <891749.13612.qm@web94308.mail.in2.yahoo.com> References: <20090219195102.E3615619C56@hormel.redhat.com> <891749.13612.qm@web94308.mail.in2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <35586fc00902200349vf802ed6j675b7be89b51044f@mail.gmail.com> 2009/2/20 rabi kumar : > Few days before some students from wbut came to me and asking for LINUX > DVDS.Today i managed to get it and distributed among all the students who > were interested.One of faculty of WBUT Mr.Santanu Chaterjee was asking me > for fedora stikers for laptop and i found it was very nice idea that we > can design laptop stikers and we can put it in laptops in the place of > Vista or Windows stikers. Since you are based out of Kolkata, please do get in touch with Susmit (once he is back from BHU) -- http://www.gutenberg.net - Fine literature digitally re-published http://www.plos.org - Public Library of Science http://www.creativecommons.org - Flexible copyright for creative work From rodrigomenezes12 at yahoo.com.br Fri Feb 20 12:02:22 2009 From: rodrigomenezes12 at yahoo.com.br (Rodrigo Menezes) Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2009 09:02:22 -0300 Subject: RES: [Ambassadors] inactive ambassadors, a proposed solution In-Reply-To: References: <27a6293b0902190825s3ea0c475nfaa6171262417693@mail.gmail.com> <00de01c992b2$2b6800c0$82380240$@com.br> <27a6293b0902190904s10bf4cd8t98daeca17690887b@mail.gmail.com> <010401c992b7$50f60260$f2e20720$@com.br> <012a01c992bf$ebf48810$c3dd9830$@com.br> Message-ID: <004b01c99353$17c45040$474cf0c0$@com.br> Neville, you are correct, but this red page is not what we need as a Group. In this way Max's Guideline for Inactive Ambassadors cover very well: >An active ambassador is someone who: >3) Has a useful, up-to-date personal page on the Fedora wiki. But, what we need is not only to remove Ambassadors from Country List, we need to remove people from our system. FAS has their e-mails used to assign in the system, let us try to contact these gentlemen and take actions about their membership. Cheers, Rodrigo Menezes -----Mensagem original----- De: fedora-ambassadors-list-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:fedora-ambassadors-list-bounces at redhat.com] Em nome de Neville A. Cross Enviada em: quinta-feira, 19 de fevereiro de 2009 16:54 Para: fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com Assunto: Re: [Ambassadors] inactive ambassadors, a proposed solution On Thu, Feb 19, 2009 at 12:28 PM, Rodrigo Menezes wrote: > Neville, > > In a country with few members, a near country could monitor their actions > provide guidelines for they. As a worldwide program, the core doesn't know > how local users in each country works, but near country does, or should do. > > "Or when the group members have better communication to fedora at large that > among themselves?" > > Why not create this communication for all group members? Off course USA will > talk directly with Fedora Core, but other groups should create this mature > local group to be stronger and accomplish bigger goals. > > Cheers, > > Rodrigo Menezes > > > I will love to have a Central American Ambassador Group... but hey! All the other country leaders are flagged in red when you check the country list. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/CountryList#Central_America So, I can not contact them to submit my monthly report. What I really want to point is that not all country/regions are at the same level of maturity. So the solution should have to accommodate some differences or be flexible. -- Neville https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Yn1v Linux User # 473217 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Check: http://www.clickmanagua.com - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -- Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list __________________________________________________ Fa?a liga??es para outros computadores com o novo Yahoo! Messenger http://br.beta.messenger.yahoo.com/ From rodrigomenezes12 at yahoo.com.br Fri Feb 20 12:07:01 2009 From: rodrigomenezes12 at yahoo.com.br (Rodrigo Menezes) Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2009 09:07:01 -0300 Subject: RES: RES: [Ambassadors] inactive ambassadors, a proposed solution In-Reply-To: <499E3BC6.8020905@binaryvibes.co.in> References: <27a6293b0902190825s3ea0c475nfaa6171262417693@mail.gmail.com> <00de01c992b2$2b6800c0$82380240$@com.br> <21179be0902190855t52f60649m5e51d17d88cb5888@mail.gmail.com> <00e801c992b6$7ee04560$7ca0d020$@com.br> <499DB02F.3010704@yahoo.com.mx> <27a6293b0902191122k7fd2b876s9dce46d52fdf9808@mail.gmail.com> <499E3BC6.8020905@binaryvibes.co.in> Message-ID: <004c01c99353$bda69770$38f3c650$@com.br> Sudheer, There's no way to create a single channel to participate. Every country will have their channels. Max told about FedoraForum, but he is talking about sites "like" FedoraForum.org, maybe in your country IRC is more often used, this is valid too. Cheers, Rodrigo Menezes -----Mensagem original----- De: fedora-ambassadors-list-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:fedora-ambassadors-list-bounces at redhat.com] Em nome de Sudheer Enviada em: sexta-feira, 20 de fevereiro de 2009 02:13 Para: fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com Assunto: Re: RES: [Ambassadors] inactive ambassadors, a proposed solution Kevin Higgins wrote: > >HOW DO WE IDENTIFY ACTIVE AMBASSADORS? > > >We come up with a policy that is simple, and fair. > > >An active ambassador is someone who: > > >1) Has joined the group in FAS. > >2) Reads and/or posts on fedora-ambassadors-list. > >3) Has a useful, up-to-date personal page on the Fedora wiki. > > >And does one or more of: > > >* Attends or organizes an event once in a release cycle. Like other people have noted, there are numerous ways to contribute to the Fedora project. I have helped more than 100 people in my city to obtain the Fedora image. I just burn the Fedora image to the DVD media they bring. Initially, I was updating each media burn on the Wiki. Nowadays, I have stopped updating the Wiki. But I do help people obtain Fedora media. I even help lot of people with Fedora related technical issues. I run my own blog and forum site where I write about Fedora too and answer questions about Fedora. > >* Maintains a blog on Planet Fedora, with about one post per month. With a little effort, maybe I can enlist myself in the planet. > >* Participates on fedora-list or fedoraforum.org > to help people w/questions. How about IRC and other Forums? -- With warm regards, Sudheer. S Business: http://binaryvibes.co.in, Tech stuff: http://techchorus.net, Personal: http://sudheer.net -- Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list __________________________________________________ Fa?a liga??es para outros computadores com o novo Yahoo! Messenger http://br.beta.messenger.yahoo.com/ From mathias.houngbo at gmail.com Fri Feb 20 12:14:43 2009 From: mathias.houngbo at gmail.com (Mathias HOUNGBO) Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2009 13:14:43 +0100 Subject: [Ambassadors] Distributions of fedora10 DVDS In-Reply-To: <891749.13612.qm@web94308.mail.in2.yahoo.com> References: <20090219195102.E3615619C56@hormel.redhat.com> <891749.13612.qm@web94308.mail.in2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <91b3572a0902200414q4ff5bba5kaf73be1fd46a027f@mail.gmail.com> Is it possible to have hundreds of DVDs for Benin? -- Mathias HOUNGBO Fedora Ambassador for B?nin. Mon blog - Made in B?nin - http://mathias.houngbo.net Des infos sur le B?nin ? http://planet.beninois.net Communaut? 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FAS has their e-mails used to assign > in the system, let us try to contact these gentlemen and take actions about > their membership. +1 -- Carlos Vassalo (opossum1er) French fedora ambassador opossum1er at fedoraproject.org GPG fingerprint : 1E38 D153 476F C831 0CF6 0A6A 2E7A 992F 8958 8851 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 197 bytes Desc: Ceci est une partie de message num?riquement sign?e URL: From oliver at linux-kernel.at Fri Feb 20 12:37:46 2009 From: oliver at linux-kernel.at (Oliver Falk) Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2009 13:37:46 +0100 Subject: [Ambassadors] [Fwd: Linuxwochen Wien 2009] Message-ID: <499EA41A.4020604@linux-kernel.at> Hi! Anyone interessted? Feel free to forward it to others who might be interessted. At the moment I'm quite sure, that I'll not be in Vienna at this time. Best, Oliver -------------- next part -------------- An embedded message was scrubbed... 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In-Reply-To: <499EA4B2.2010409@fedoraproject.org> References: <499EA4B2.2010409@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <2d319b780902200446u4ad24b71mf1e88f507599903d@mail.gmail.com> On Fri, Feb 20, 2009 at 1:40 PM, Frank Murphy wrote: > Has anyone else difficulty responding to html emails? > I find it impossible to insert within the mail. > Is there anything can be done? Enforce the ML guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines Maybe replying _personnally_ to the offenders with this link might help ? ---------- Mathieu Bridon (bochecha) "They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety." ~Benjamin Franklin From stickster at gmail.com Fri Feb 20 14:51:46 2009 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2009 09:51:46 -0500 Subject: [Ambassadors] Responding to emails, within this list? In-Reply-To: <2d319b780902200446u4ad24b71mf1e88f507599903d@mail.gmail.com> References: <499EA4B2.2010409@fedoraproject.org> <2d319b780902200446u4ad24b71mf1e88f507599903d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20090220145146.GC20305@localhost.localdomain> On Fri, Feb 20, 2009 at 01:46:26PM +0100, Mathieu Bridon (bochecha) wrote: > On Fri, Feb 20, 2009 at 1:40 PM, Frank Murphy > wrote: > > Has anyone else difficulty responding to html emails? > > I find it impossible to insert within the mail. > > Is there anything can be done? > > Enforce the ML guidelines: > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines > > Maybe replying _personnally_ to the offenders with this link might help ? And of course, doing it in a kind and helpful way. Offering to help the person with their client configuration is a nice way to respond, rather than just "Fix your email client please." :-) -- Paul W. 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Also, we're going to have people able to contribute to Fedora Activity Day remotely -- so by all means if you're not in the Los Angeles area, stop by. Details to follow. [Meanwhile, in a fit of shameless self-promotion, I'll be blogging about SCaLE throughout the weekend on both Larry the Fedora Guy, featured on Fedora Planet, and Larry the Free Software Guy, which isn't. URLs http://larrythefedoraguy.wordpress.com and http://larrythefreesoftwareguy.wordpress.com ] Larry Cafiero On Thu, Feb 19, 2009 at 11:52 PM, Joseph Smidt wrote: > Sorry to distract people who don't need to hear this, but I will be > running a little late to scale and will be there around lunch. 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URL: From matiasmaceira at gmail.com Fri Feb 20 15:47:41 2009 From: matiasmaceira at gmail.com (Matias Maceira) Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2009 13:47:41 -0200 Subject: RES: [Ambassadors] inactive ambassadors, a proposed solution In-Reply-To: <1235132498.3479.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <00de01c992b2$2b6800c0$82380240$@com.br> <27a6293b0902190904s10bf4cd8t98daeca17690887b@mail.gmail.com> <010401c992b7$50f60260$f2e20720$@com.br> <012a01c992bf$ebf48810$c3dd9830$@com.br> <004b01c99353$17c45040$474cf0c0$@com.br> <1235132498.3479.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <933cb3780902200747v961fc65jef291573cb75fef5@mail.gmail.com> Hi, I read the comments. I think the person who knows best if an ambassador is active is the community leader of each country. In Argentina I'm coordinating the Ambassadors and we are focused on keep on growing as a community, taking as a guide the fedora Brazil and Venezuela projects. I think that every leader should have the autonomy to decide the status of an ambassador and the ability to remove him or set him as inactive, in every case supervised by the regional leader. We should stablish the parameters to decide the status of an ambassador. There are may ambassadors working on the project who invests their time on local projects. Most of them have no time to work actively on Ambassadors project, but they do a lot of local (and important) work. The problem here is that their work is only known by their local leader, and they are inactive to the Ambassadors's community eyes. I believe that is our job as community managers to stablish the difference between the active and inactive ambassadors. Yours. Matias Maceira Fedora Argentina Community Manager From frankly3d at fedoraproject.org Fri Feb 20 15:49:41 2009 From: frankly3d at fedoraproject.org (Frank Murphy) Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2009 15:49:41 +0000 Subject: [Ambassadors] Responding to emails, within this list? In-Reply-To: <20090220145146.GC20305@localhost.localdomain> References: <499EA4B2.2010409@fedoraproject.org> <2d319b780902200446u4ad24b71mf1e88f507599903d@mail.gmail.com> <20090220145146.GC20305@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <499ED115.5070907@fedoraproject.org> Paul W. Frields wrote: > On Fri, Feb 20, 2009 at 01:46:26PM +0100, Mathieu Bridon (bochecha) wrote: >> On Fri, Feb 20, 2009 at 1:40 PM, Frank Murphy >> wrote: >>> Has anyone else difficulty responding to html emails? >>> I find it impossible to insert within the mail. >>> Is there anything can be done? >> Enforce the ML guidelines: >> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines >> >> Maybe replying _personnally_ to the offenders with this link might help ? > > And of course, doing it in a kind and helpful way. Offering to help > the person with their client configuration is a nice way to respond, > rather than just "Fix your email client please." :-) Then how about a link to the guidelines on each signup page eg: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list place a link prominantly on it\them Maybe this could be discussed further at the relevant list(Docs)? Frank From ecardinali at gmail.com Fri Feb 20 15:59:29 2009 From: ecardinali at gmail.com (Ezequiel Cardinali) Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2009 13:59:29 -0200 Subject: RES: [Ambassadors] inactive ambassadors, a proposed solution In-Reply-To: <933cb3780902200747v961fc65jef291573cb75fef5@mail.gmail.com> References: <27a6293b0902190904s10bf4cd8t98daeca17690887b@mail.gmail.com> <010401c992b7$50f60260$f2e20720$@com.br> <012a01c992bf$ebf48810$c3dd9830$@com.br> <004b01c99353$17c45040$474cf0c0$@com.br> <1235132498.3479.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> <933cb3780902200747v961fc65jef291573cb75fef5@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: 2009/2/20 Matias Maceira : > Hi, > > I read the comments. > > I think the person who knows best if an ambassador is active > is the community leader of each country. > > In Argentina I'm coordinating the Ambassadors and > we are focused on keep on growing as a community, > taking as a guide the fedora Brazil and Venezuela projects. > > I think that every leader should have the autonomy to > decide the status of an ambassador and the ability to > remove him or set him as inactive, in every case supervised > by the regional leader. > > We should stablish the parameters to decide the status > of an ambassador. > > There are may ambassadors working on the project who > invests their time on local projects. Most of them have no > time to work actively on Ambassadors project, but they > do a lot of local (and important) work. > The problem here is that their work is only known by > their local leader, and they are inactive to the > Ambassadors's community eyes. > > I believe that is our job as community managers to > stablish the difference between the active and > inactive ambassadors. > > Yours. > > Matias Maceira > Fedora Argentina Community Manager > > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > +1 Matias Maceira -- ======================================= Ezequiel M. Cardinali - Fedora Ambassador --------------------------------------------------------------- * http://proyectofedora.org/argentina * https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Ezq --------------------------------------------------------------- 8DCB DEAE DF60 0C08 43D6 CF6B B29F C9E1 FCF0 68FD ======================================= From gbraad at fedoraproject.org Fri Feb 20 16:28:20 2009 From: gbraad at fedoraproject.org (Gerard Braad) Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2009 17:28:20 +0100 Subject: [Ambassadors] Re: inactive ambassadors, a proposed solution In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Thu, 2009-02-19 at 19:42 +0100, Luca Foppiano wrote: > On Thu, 2009-02-19 at 13:39 +0100, Mathieu Bridon (bochecha) wrote: > > To me, very few people can: the local leaders. They are the ones who > > know the Ambassadors in their region and what they do. And if there's > > an Ambassador in their region they never heard of, maybe it means he > > is inactive... > +1 +1 I do agree a local leader would play an important role... But, every region has a different level of maturity. Even for The Netherlands it would be difficult for a local leader to know about activities of the ambassadors in his region, without him having to do some administrative work. example; Currently, because of my day time job, it is difficult to make my presence in the community noticeable (no internet connection allowed). It doesn't mean I am not active, at home I try to compensate as much time as possible. Sharing knowledge about the Emerging Technologies, cobbler, koan, spacewalk is still spreading the awareness of Fedora and it's community. When possible I am helping people with packaging, installation support and education about how to use a system from desktop to server use. How could a local leader know without approaching me, or me keeping him up to date? I can imagine a local leader would ask for an overview of performed tasks... although I would doubt about it's true effectiveness. We should find an effective way to keep the ambassadors in the loop. An occasional social email? ;) Gerard From bochecha at fedoraproject.org Fri Feb 20 16:33:26 2009 From: bochecha at fedoraproject.org (Mathieu Bridon (bochecha)) Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2009 17:33:26 +0100 Subject: [Ambassadors] Re: inactive ambassadors, a proposed solution In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2d319b780902200833m16a2e907p231d7cb7a1347f6c@mail.gmail.com> > example; Currently, because of my day time job, it is difficult to > make my presence in the community noticeable (no internet connection > allowed). It doesn't mean I am not active, at home I try to compensate > as much time as possible. Sharing knowledge about the Emerging > Technologies, cobbler, koan, spacewalk is still spreading the > awareness of Fedora and it's community. When possible I am helping > people with packaging, installation support and education about how to > use a system from desktop to server use. How could a local leader know > without approaching me, or me keeping him up to date? When you joined, didn't you get in touch with the already established ambassadors in your region ? If you did, then the local leaders already know you ;) If you didn't, whether you should have, whether you were the first one (aren't you the local leader all the others will get in touch with then ?) ---------- Mathieu Bridon (bochecha) "They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety." ~Benjamin Franklin From gbraad at fedoraproject.org Fri Feb 20 17:08:07 2009 From: gbraad at fedoraproject.org (Gerard Braad) Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2009 18:08:07 +0100 Subject: [Ambassadors] Re: Fedora-ambassadors-list Digest, Vol 37, Issue 34 In-Reply-To: <20090220170056.101C061B541@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20090220170056.101C061B541@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: From: "Mathieu Bridon (bochecha)" >> How could a local leader know >> without approaching me, or me keeping him up to date? > When you joined, didn't you get in touch with the already established > ambassadors in your region ? I meant this a little more general... activities and involvement can change over time. It is impossible for him to know about everything what is going on, without some 'administrative work'... that is what I meant with the occasional social email :P. From g5_fosslover at yahoo.in Fri Feb 20 18:25:59 2009 From: g5_fosslover at yahoo.in (Gaurav Prabhu) Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2009 23:55:59 +0530 (IST) Subject: [Ambassadors] inactive ambassadors, a proposed solution In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <57350.39142.qm@web95106.mail.in2.yahoo.com> --- On Thu, 19/2/09, Max Spevack wrote: From: Max Spevack Subject: [Ambassadors] inactive ambassadors, a proposed solution To: fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com Date: Thursday, 19 February, 2009, 11:34 AM The purpose of this email is to try to lay out a roadmap for solving, once and for all, the question of inactive Fedora Ambassadors. GOALS OF IDENTIFYING INACTIVE AMBASSADORS: (1) Housekeeping. All projects need to have their membership rosters pruned from time to time. In Ambassadors, this is particularly important because non-Fedora people might get in touch with Ambassadors, and if they don't receive a response, it looks like Fedora is ignorning them. Other sub-projects for which identifying inactive ambassadors are crucial is packaging. If someone drops off the face of the earth, their packages need to be given to a new owner. Pages that need to a "refresh" policy: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/CountryList <-- I argue that CountryList is the wrong name for this page, and it should be called Directory. https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/MembershipService/Verification https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/Count <-- why do we even need this page? Doesn't the CountryList page serve the same purpose? How often are these pages currently updated? Is the process manual or automated, or a mixture of both? (2) Give a more prominent location to the "list of ambassadors per country". That page should be the most visited page in all of Fedora Ambassadors. People who are trying to find out about Fedora should be visiting it, and Ambassadors who are looking for other Fedora folks near them should be visiting it. We should have something on fedoraproject.org that says "are you interested in Fedora? Find a Fedora Ambassador near you to give you some information" and you type in your location, and it spits back a list of Ambassadors near you. (3) In order for any of (2) to be successful, we need to make sure that the people who are listed as Ambassadors are actually paying attention to the Ambassadors part of Fedora. If someone is not, it doesn't mean that they are a bad person -- it just means that they don't want to have to deal with organizing events or asking questions from newbies to the project. I wouldn't be offended if someone removed me from the Fedora Infrastructure group in FAS, because *I DON'T DO ANYTHING WITH FEDORA INFRASTRUCTURE*. It doesn't mean I'm a bad person or not a Fedora contributor, it just means that I don't participate in that part of Fedora. HOW DO WE IDENTIFY ACTIVE AMBASSADORS? We come up with a policy that is simple, and fair. An active ambassador is someone who: 1) Has joined the group in FAS. 2) Reads and/or posts on fedora-ambassadors-list. 3) Has a useful, up-to-date personal page on the Fedora wiki. And does one or more of: * Attends or organizes an event once in a release cycle. * Maintains a blog on Planet Fedora, with about one post per month. * Participates on fedora-list or fedoraforum.org to help people w/ questions. * Indicates their willingness to mentor and guide new contributors or new users. WHAT DO WE DO WITH INACTIVE AMBASSADORS? If someone is inactive, we *DO NOT* kick them out of the ambassadors group in FAS, and we *DO NOT* remove them from fedora-ambassadors list. But we should remove them from the "directory of Ambassadors sorted by country", which I argue again needs to be much more visible and useful, so that those inactive Ambassadors aren't being asked to do public-facing things. When someone re-surfaces or has more time for Ambassadors, we put them back on the directory. ================== Flame me. --Max -- Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list Though I agree with you on some points, but still I feel removing them is not the way out. If they do not wish to contribute then it's their wish. Who are we to remove them from the list? Also people have their own set of hurdles, diffculties. Some people are under a bad patch of their life. Hence we cannot remove theme even if they do not post on mailing list. Take the example of myself, I just joined an month ago, still haven't done anything since I do not have skills. I am still finding my foor in the Fedora community. Besides making some posts on the mailing list, I haven't done anything significant. So If I were to be removed, I would feel rejected & would develop a negative attitude towards Fedora community. Even though I wish to return, I won't return for sure. So I feel we should not be too strict. After all everybody loves Freedom. Regards, Gaurav Prabhu Add more friends to your messenger and enjoy! Go to http://messenger.yahoo.com/invite/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nushio at gmail.com Fri Feb 20 18:38:04 2009 From: nushio at gmail.com (Juan M. Rodriguez) Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2009 12:38:04 -0600 Subject: [Ambassadors] inactive ambassadors, a proposed solution In-Reply-To: <57350.39142.qm@web95106.mail.in2.yahoo.com> References: <57350.39142.qm@web95106.mail.in2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: 2009/2/20 Gaurav Prabhu > > > --- On *Thu, 19/2/09, Max Spevack * wrote: > > From: Max Spevack > Subject: [Ambassadors] inactive ambassadors, a proposed solution > To: fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > Date: Thursday, 19 February, 2009, 11:34 AM > > The purpose of this email is to try to lay out a roadmap for solving, once and > for all, the question of inactive Fedora Ambassadors. > > GOALS OF IDENTIFYING INACTIVE AMBASSADORS: > > (1) Housekeeping. All projects need to have their membership rosters pruned > from time to time. In Ambassadors, this is particularly important because > non-Fedora people might get in touch with Ambassadors, and if they don't > receive a response, it looks like Fedora > is ignorning them. Other sub-projects > for which identifying inactive ambassadors are crucial is packaging. If someone > drops off the face of the earth, their packages need to be given to a new owner. > > Pages that need to a "refresh" policy: > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/CountryList <-- I argue that > CountryList is the wrong name for this page, and it should be called Directory. > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/MembershipService/Verification > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/Count <-- why do we even need > this page? Doesn't the CountryList page serve the same purpose? > > How often are these pages currently updated? Is the process manual or > automated, or a mixture of both? > > > (2) Give a more prominent location to the "list of ambassadors per > country". That page should be the most visited page in all of Fedora > Ambassadors. People who are trying to find out > about Fedora should be visiting > it, and Ambassadors who are looking for other Fedora folks near them should be > visiting it. > > We should have something on fedoraproject.org that says "are you > interested in Fedora? Find a Fedora Ambassador near you to give you some > information" and you type in your location, and it spits back a list of > Ambassadors near you. > > > (3) In order for any of (2) to be successful, we need to make sure that the > people who are listed as Ambassadors are actually paying attention to the > Ambassadors part of Fedora. If someone is not, it doesn't mean that they > are a bad person -- it just means that they don't want to have to deal with > organizing events or asking questions from newbies to the project. > > I wouldn't be offended if someone removed me from the Fedora Infrastructure > group in FAS, because *I DON'T DO ANYTHING WITH FEDORA INFRASTRUCTURE*. It > doesn't mean I'm a bad person or > not a Fedora contributor, it just means > that I don't participate in that part of Fedora. > > > HOW DO WE IDENTIFY ACTIVE AMBASSADORS? > > We come up with a policy that is simple, and fair. > > An active ambassador is someone who: > > 1) Has joined the group in FAS. > 2) Reads and/or posts on fedora-ambassadors-list. > 3) Has a useful, up-to-date personal page on the Fedora wiki. > > And does one or more of: > > * Attends or organizes an event once in a release cycle. > * Maintains a blog on Planet Fedora, with about one post per month. > * Participates on fedora-list or fedoraforum.org to help people w/ questions. > * Indicates their willingness to mentor and guide new contributors or new > users. > > > WHAT DO WE DO WITH INACTIVE AMBASSADORS? > > If someone is inactive, we *DO NOT* kick them out of the ambassadors group in > FAS, and we *DO NOT* remove them from fedora-ambassadors list. > > But we should remove > them from the "directory of Ambassadors sorted by > country", which I argue again needs to be much more visible and useful, so > that those inactive Ambassadors aren't being asked to do public-facing > things. > > When someone re-surfaces or has more time for Ambassadors, we put them back on > the directory. > > ================== > > Flame me. > > --Max > > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > > > Though I agree with you on some points, but still I feel removing them is not the way out. > If they do not wish to contribute then it's their wish. Who are we to remove them from the list? > Also people have their own set of hurdles, diffculties. Some people are under a bad patch of their life. > Hence we cannot remove theme even if they do not post on mailing list. Take the example of myself, I just joined an month ago, > still haven't > done anything since I do not have skills. I am still finding my foor in the Fedora community. Besides making some posts on the mailing list, I haven't done anything significant. > So If I were to be removed, I would feel rejected & would develop a negative attitude towards Fedora community. Even though I wish to return, I won't return for sure. > So I feel we should not be too strict. After all everybody loves Freedom. > > Regards, > Gaurav Prabhu > > > ------------------------------ > Connect with friends all over the world.. Get Yahoo! India Messenger. > > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > > I agree with not removing the ambassadors, maybe simply marking them as inactive? I feel that it would be akin to developing software and abandoning it later... Then someone comes along and removes your name from the credits simply because you're not actively developing it anymore. What would the inactive ambassadors have to do in order to regain their active status again? Re-sign the CLA? Simply say "I'm here now"? -Nushio -- Ing. Juan M. Rodriguez Moreno Desarrollador de Sistemas Abiertos Sitio: http://proyectofedora.org/mexico -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From willy_garcia at yahoo.com Fri Feb 20 19:27:31 2009 From: willy_garcia at yahoo.com (Willy Garcia) Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2009 17:27:31 -0200 (ARST) Subject: RES: [Ambassadors] inactive ambassadors, a proposed solution In-Reply-To: <933cb3780902200747v961fc65jef291573cb75fef5@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <733130.35020.qm@web31905.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I 100% agree! I think our local coordinator must be responsible for local Ambassador's work. As Gerard said, every region has a different level of maturity, I'm absolutely identified with this idea. So, +1 Salud, Amigos! Guillermo Garcia (AKA Willy Garcia) Analista de Sistemas (Univ. del Salvador) Yahoo! Cocina Recetas pr?cticas y comida saludable http://ar.mujer.yahoo.com/cocina/ From nacross at gmail.com Fri Feb 20 20:10:50 2009 From: nacross at gmail.com (Neville A. Cross) Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2009 14:10:50 -0600 Subject: RES: [Ambassadors] inactive ambassadors, a proposed solution In-Reply-To: <733130.35020.qm@web31905.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <933cb3780902200747v961fc65jef291573cb75fef5@mail.gmail.com> <733130.35020.qm@web31905.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: It has been said that we should focus on active ambassadors. What about a public page where people who is willing to been bombarded by mail is displayed? That list is voluntary and you have to sing up for it. As you signed up for many emails, one of those email will be a confirmation that you are up to keep this pressure. If you fail to reply this, you are automatically take down of this list. You can sign up again at any time. No punishment for taking a break. This does not has anything to do with the performance or commitment of one ambassador. It is just another option among the many task that an ambassador may undertake. It will be asked to those ambassadors that are alone in one country to sing up in this list. But no one should be forced to do it. This list has to be prominent within the wiki. This should became the way to find people to support events. This people task is to answer request or point people in the right direction. This will solve the problem of unresponsive ambassadors. This does not solve the problem of "dead" ambassadors. Dead as people that drooped absolutely without the courtesy of given proper notice. I still think that some sort of housekeeping is needed. I still would like that someone with artistic skills propose a template, so those who wanted to brag about recent accomplishments may do so. -- Neville https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Yn1v Linux User # 473217 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Check: http://www.clickmanagua.com - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - From rodrigomenezes12 at yahoo.com.br Fri Feb 20 20:18:02 2009 From: rodrigomenezes12 at yahoo.com.br (Rodrigo Menezes) Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2009 17:18:02 -0300 Subject: RES: [Ambassadors] inactive ambassadors, a proposed solution In-Reply-To: <57350.39142.qm@web95106.mail.in2.yahoo.com> References: <57350.39142.qm@web95106.mail.in2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <002401c99398$56115ba0$023412e0$@com.br> Gaurav, We are talking about people within one or more years of inactivity. Yes, they exist, a lot!!! Cheers, Rodrigo Menezes De: fedora-ambassadors-list-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:fedora-ambassadors-list-bounces at redhat.com] Em nome de Gaurav Prabhu Enviada em: sexta-feira, 20 de fevereiro de 2009 15:26 Para: fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com Assunto: Re: [Ambassadors] inactive ambassadors, a proposed solution --- On Thu, 19/2/09, Max Spevack wrote: From: Max Spevack Subject: [Ambassadors] inactive ambassadors, a proposed solution To: fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com Date: Thursday, 19 February, 2009, 11:34 AM The purpose of this email is to try to lay out a roadmap for solving, once and for all, the question of inactive Fedora Ambassadors. GOALS OF IDENTIFYING INACTIVE AMBASSADORS: (1) Housekeeping. All projects need to have their membership rosters pruned from time to time. In Ambassadors, this is particularly important because non-Fedora people might get in touch with Ambassadors, and if they don't receive a response, it looks like Fedora is ignorning them. Other sub-projects for which identifying inactive ambassadors are crucial is packaging. If someone drops off the face of the earth, their packages need to be given to a new owner. Pages that need to a "refresh" policy: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/CountryList <-- I argue that CountryList is the wrong name for this page, and it should be called Directory. https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/MembershipService/Verification https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/Count <-- why do we even need this page? Doesn't the CountryList page serve the same purpose? How often are these pages currently updated? Is the process manual or automated, or a mixture of both? (2) Give a more prominent location to the "list of ambassadors per country". That page should be the most visited page in all of Fedora Ambassadors. People who are trying to find out about Fedora should be visiting it, and Ambassadors who are looking for other Fedora folks near them should be visiting it. We should have something on fedoraproject.org that says "are you interested in Fedora? Find a Fedora Ambassador near you to give you some information" and you type in your location, and it spits back a list of Ambassadors near you. (3) In order for any of (2) to be successful, we need to make sure that the people who are listed as Ambassadors are actually paying attention to the Ambassadors part of Fedora. If someone is not, it doesn't mean that they are a bad person -- it just means that they don't want to have to deal with organizing events or asking questions from newbies to the project. I wouldn't be offended if someone removed me from the Fedora Infrastructure group in FAS, because *I DON'T DO ANYTHING WITH FEDORA INFRASTRUCTURE*. It doesn't mean I'm a bad person or not a Fedora contributor, it just means that I don't participate in that part of Fedora. HOW DO WE IDENTIFY ACTIVE AMBASSADORS? We come up with a policy that is simple, and fair. An active ambassador is someone who: 1) Has joined the group in FAS. 2) Reads and/or posts on fedora-ambassadors-list. 3) Has a useful, up-to-date personal page on the Fedora wiki. And does one or more of: * Attends or organizes an event once in a release cycle. * Maintains a blog on Planet Fedora, with about one post per month. * Participates on fedora-list or fedoraforum.org to help people w/ questions. * Indicates their willingness to mentor and guide new contributors or new users. WHAT DO WE DO WITH INACTIVE AMBASSADORS? If someone is inactive, we *DO NOT* kick them out of the ambassadors group in FAS, and we *DO NOT* remove them from fedora-ambassadors list. But we should remove them from the "directory of Ambassadors sorted by country", which I argue again needs to be much more visible and useful, so that those inactive Ambassadors aren't being asked to do public-facing things. When someone re-surfaces or has more time for Ambassadors, we put them back on the directory. ================== Flame me. --Max -- Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list Though I agree with you on some points, but still I feel removing them is not the way out. If they do not wish to contribute then it's their wish. Who are we to remove them from the list? Also people have their own set of hurdles, diffculties. Some people are under a bad patch of their life. Hence we cannot remove theme even if they do not post on mailing list. Take the example of myself, I just joined an month ago, still haven't done anything since I do not have skills. I am still finding my foor in the Fedora community. Besides making some posts on the mailing list, I haven't done anything significant. So If I were to be removed, I would feel rejected & would develop a negative attitude towards Fedora community. Even though I wish to return, I won't return for sure. So I feel we should not be too strict. After all everybody loves Freedom. Regards, Gaurav Prabhu ________________________________________ Connect with friends all over the world.. Get Yahoo! India Messenger. __________________________________________________ Fa?a liga??es para outros computadores com o novo Yahoo! Messenger http://br.beta.messenger.yahoo.com/ From shambo.linux at gmail.com Fri Feb 20 21:01:32 2009 From: shambo.linux at gmail.com (Shambo Bose) Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2009 02:31:32 +0530 Subject: [Ambassadors] inactive ambassadors, a proposed solution In-Reply-To: <002401c99398$56115ba0$023412e0$@com.br> References: <57350.39142.qm@web95106.mail.in2.yahoo.com> <002401c99398$56115ba0$023412e0$@com.br> Message-ID: On Sat, Feb 21, 2009 at 1:48 AM, Rodrigo Menezes < rodrigomenezes12 at yahoo.com.br> wrote: > Gaurav, > > We are talking about people within one or more years of inactivity. Yes, > they exist, a lot!!! > > Cheers, > > Rodrigo Menezes > > > > De: fedora-ambassadors-list-bounces at redhat.com [mailto: > fedora-ambassadors-list-bounces at redhat.com] Em nome de Gaurav Prabhu > Enviada em: sexta-feira, 20 de fevereiro de 2009 15:26 > Para: fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > Assunto: Re: [Ambassadors] inactive ambassadors, a proposed solution > > > > --- On Thu, 19/2/09, Max Spevack wrote: > From: Max Spevack > Subject: [Ambassadors] inactive ambassadors, a proposed solution > To: fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > Date: Thursday, 19 February, 2009, 11:34 AM > The purpose of this email is to try to lay out a roadmap for solving, once > and > for all, the question of inactive Fedora Ambassadors. > > GOALS OF IDENTIFYING INACTIVE AMBASSADORS: > > (1) Housekeeping. All projects need to have their membership rosters > pruned > from time to time. In Ambassadors, this is particularly important because > non-Fedora people might get in touch with Ambassadors, and if they don't > receive a response, it looks like Fedora > is ignorning them. Other sub-projects > for which identifying inactive ambassadors are crucial is packaging. If > someone > drops off the face of the earth, their packages need to be given to a new > owner. > > Pages that need to a "refresh" policy: > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/CountryList <-- I argue that > CountryList is the wrong name for this page, and it should be called > Directory. > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/MembershipService/Verification > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/Count <-- why do we even need > this page? Doesn't the CountryList page serve the same purpose? > > How often are these pages currently updated? Is the process manual or > automated, or a mixture of both? > > > (2) Give a more prominent location to the "list of ambassadors per > country". That page should be the most visited page in all of Fedora > Ambassadors. People who are trying to find out > about Fedora should be visiting > it, and Ambassadors who are looking for other Fedora folks near them should > be > visiting it. > > We should have something on fedoraproject.org that says "are you > interested in Fedora? Find a Fedora Ambassador near you to give you some > information" and you type in your location, and it spits back a list of > Ambassadors near you. > > > (3) In order for any of (2) to be successful, we need to make sure that the > people who are listed as Ambassadors are actually paying attention to the > Ambassadors part of Fedora. If someone is not, it doesn't mean that they > are a bad person -- it just means that they don't want to have to deal with > organizing events or asking questions from newbies to the project. > > I wouldn't be offended if someone removed me from the Fedora Infrastructure > group in FAS, because *I DON'T DO ANYTHING WITH FEDORA INFRASTRUCTURE*. It > doesn't mean I'm a bad person or > not a Fedora contributor, it just means > that I don't participate in that part of Fedora. > > > HOW DO WE IDENTIFY ACTIVE AMBASSADORS? > > We come up with a policy that is simple, and fair. > > An active ambassador is someone who: > > 1) Has joined the group in FAS. > 2) Reads and/or posts on fedora-ambassadors-list. > 3) Has a useful, up-to-date personal page on the Fedora wiki. > > And does one or more of: > > * Attends or organizes an event once in a release cycle. > * Maintains a blog on Planet Fedora, with about one post per month. > * Participates on fedora-list or fedoraforum.org to help people w/ > questions. > * Indicates their willingness to mentor and guide new contributors or new > users. > > > WHAT DO WE DO WITH INACTIVE AMBASSADORS? > > If someone is inactive, we *DO NOT* kick them out of the ambassadors group > in > FAS, and we *DO NOT* remove them from fedora-ambassadors list. > > But we should remove > them from the "directory of Ambassadors sorted by > country", which I argue again needs to be much more visible and useful, so > that those inactive Ambassadors aren't being asked to do public-facing > things. > > When someone re-surfaces or has more time for Ambassadors, we put them back > on > the directory. > > ================== > > Flame me. > > --Max > > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > > > Though I agree with you on some points, but still I feel removing them is > not the way out. > If they do not wish to contribute then it's their wish. Who are we to > remove them from the list? > Also people have their own set of hurdles, diffculties. Some people are > under a bad patch of their life. > Hence we cannot remove theme even if they do not post on mailing list. Take > the example of myself, I just joined an month ago, > still haven't > done anything since I do not have skills. I am still finding my foor in the > Fedora community. Besides making some posts on the mailing list, I haven't > done anything significant. > So If I were to be removed, I would feel rejected & would develop a > negative attitude towards Fedora community. Even though I wish to return, I > won't return for sure. > So I feel we should not be too strict. After all everybody loves Freedom. > > Regards, > Gaurav Prabhu > > ________________________________________ > Connect with friends all over the world.. Get Yahoo! India Messenger. > > __________________________________________________ > Fa?a liga??es para outros computadores com o novo Yahoo! Messenger > http://br.beta.messenger.yahoo.com/ > > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > Marking as Inactive is a great idea. And they can re-sign CLA as told by Juan M. Rodriguez Moreno to take active participation in the project once again. regards , Shambo Bose -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From a.mani.cms at gmail.com Fri Feb 20 22:25:55 2009 From: a.mani.cms at gmail.com (Mani A) Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2009 03:55:55 +0530 Subject: [Ambassadors] Custom SPIN for DF-Day+ Message-ID: <78323d480902201425u56596d1cw9faba475ca5acda9@mail.gmail.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Document Freedom Day is on the 25thof March. Plenty of teams will be taking part in the event (I am coordinating the Kolkata team IlugCalinfo ) Is it possible for somebody to make a custom spin including: 1. Mainly destop oriented packages (updated to stable Fedora10) 2. All Open Office stuff with good collection of templates, Dictonaries 3. Scribus, GIMP, Koffice, Gnumeric, Docbook, Lua, Quanta etc (latest stable) 4. TexLive and IDEs 5. Lots of Advocacy related documentation + Whitepapers, Technical reports, Tutorials etc (for DF-Day): (I can help) 6. Documentation More (please suggest) (a non official spin can be considered for some locales ... for rpmfusion things) I think many teams would be able to make copies and do lot more. Best A. Mani -- A. Mani Member, Cal. Math. Soc -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAkmfLuQACgkQunMISzvdfU6RTwCfRC92xf81fWxnUSWptO5eagxG Z+kAnRt0hFEqyR47jJq/JUz2E5IoZ3eI =pjJO -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From johanhsn at gmail.com Fri Feb 20 23:38:46 2009 From: johanhsn at gmail.com (Johan Hasan) Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2009 17:38:46 -0600 Subject: [Ambassadors] Re: inactive ambassadors, a proposed solution In-Reply-To: <002401c99398$56115ba0$023412e0$@com.br> References: <57350.39142.qm@web95106.mail.in2.yahoo.com> <002401c99398$56115ba0$023412e0$@com.br> Message-ID: <499F3F06.8060702@gmail.com> Just want to say hi and let you know, that I am still exist :) I have given lecturer in Introduction in IT using Fedora for my students. The lecturing delivered using project based learning besides instructional. In 20th December 2008, I was introducing Fedora 10 and workshop to a small society in Surabaya, freely. But the participants for Fedora workshop aren't really much, just about 15 person. Maybe because the time was too tight and I didn't do a marketing very well. I also copy Fedora-10 for 1000 pieces with my own money for giving to others freely. A half of them were supported by local vendors then, so they give it as a souvenir in the computer exhibition. I am Fedora Ambassador in Indonesia since last year, but I still have no chance to meet my colleague from Indonesia. There are six fedora Ambassador from Indonesia including me (it is still small number for the country with the population more than 237 million peoples). The one I have contacted and chatted was Indrayana from Jakarta. Perhaps one day I can meet my other colleagues. Right now, I am in Kansas City until June 2008 since I have sent by my university to learn about entrepreneurship from Kauffman Foundation. So maybe I can not active for a while, but still happy if I can meet other Fedora Ambassador in USA. Tomorrow, I will go to Stanford for a week and the next following week, I will be in Boston and after that I will come back to Kansas City. Perhaps, I can learn some idea about Fedora from colleagues in USA. By the way, if there are some Fedora Ambassador visit to Surabaya - Indonesia, please contact me. I am really welcome. Or maybe we can launch Fedora in Bali, Indonesia? It will be fun :) Thank you. Johan Hasan Fedora Ambassador, Surabaya Indonesia. email: johanhsn at gmail.com yahoo messenger: johanhsn2000 Rodrigo Menezes wrote: > Gaurav, > > We are talking about people within one or more years of inactivity. Yes, they exist, a lot!!! > > Cheers, > > Rodrigo Menezes > > > > De: fedora-ambassadors-list-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:fedora-ambassadors-list-bounces at redhat.com] Em nome de Gaurav Prabhu > Enviada em: sexta-feira, 20 de fevereiro de 2009 15:26 > Para: fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > Assunto: Re: [Ambassadors] inactive ambassadors, a proposed solution > > > > --- On Thu, 19/2/09, Max Spevack wrote: > From: Max Spevack > Subject: [Ambassadors] inactive ambassadors, a proposed solution > To: fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > Date: Thursday, 19 February, 2009, 11:34 AM > The purpose of this email is to try to lay out a roadmap for solving, once and > for all, the question of inactive Fedora Ambassadors. > > GOALS OF IDENTIFYING INACTIVE AMBASSADORS: > > (1) Housekeeping. All projects need to have their membership rosters pruned > from time to time. In Ambassadors, this is particularly important because > non-Fedora people might get in touch with Ambassadors, and if they don't > receive a response, it looks like Fedora > is ignorning them. Other sub-projects > for which identifying inactive ambassadors are crucial is packaging. If someone > drops off the face of the earth, their packages need to be given to a new owner. > > Pages that need to a "refresh" policy: > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/CountryList <-- I argue that > CountryList is the wrong name for this page, and it should be called Directory. > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/MembershipService/Verification > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/Count <-- why do we even need > this page? Doesn't the CountryList page serve the same purpose? > > How often are these pages currently updated? Is the process manual or > automated, or a mixture of both? > > > (2) Give a more prominent location to the "list of ambassadors per > country". That page should be the most visited page in all of Fedora > Ambassadors. People who are trying to find out > about Fedora should be visiting > it, and Ambassadors who are looking for other Fedora folks near them should be > visiting it. > > We should have something on fedoraproject.org that says "are you > interested in Fedora? Find a Fedora Ambassador near you to give you some > information" and you type in your location, and it spits back a list of > Ambassadors near you. > > > (3) In order for any of (2) to be successful, we need to make sure that the > people who are listed as Ambassadors are actually paying attention to the > Ambassadors part of Fedora. If someone is not, it doesn't mean that they > are a bad person -- it just means that they don't want to have to deal with > organizing events or asking questions from newbies to the project. > > I wouldn't be offended if someone removed me from the Fedora Infrastructure > group in FAS, because *I DON'T DO ANYTHING WITH FEDORA INFRASTRUCTURE*. It > doesn't mean I'm a bad person or > not a Fedora contributor, it just means > that I don't participate in that part of Fedora. > > > HOW DO WE IDENTIFY ACTIVE AMBASSADORS? > > We come up with a policy that is simple, and fair. > > An active ambassador is someone who: > > 1) Has joined the group in FAS. > 2) Reads and/or posts on fedora-ambassadors-list. > 3) Has a useful, up-to-date personal page on the Fedora wiki. > > And does one or more of: > > * Attends or organizes an event once in a release cycle. > * Maintains a blog on Planet Fedora, with about one post per month. > * Participates on fedora-list or fedoraforum.org to help people w/ questions. > * Indicates their willingness to mentor and guide new contributors or new > users. > > > WHAT DO WE DO WITH INACTIVE AMBASSADORS? > > If someone is inactive, we *DO NOT* kick them out of the ambassadors group in > FAS, and we *DO NOT* remove them from fedora-ambassadors list. > > But we should remove > them from the "directory of Ambassadors sorted by > country", which I argue again needs to be much more visible and useful, so > that those inactive Ambassadors aren't being asked to do public-facing > things. > > When someone re-surfaces or has more time for Ambassadors, we put them back on > the directory. > > ================== > > Flame me. > > --Max > > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > > > Though I agree with you on some points, but still I feel removing them is not the way out. > If they do not wish to contribute then it's their wish. Who are we to remove them from the list? > Also people have their own set of hurdles, diffculties. Some people are under a bad patch of their life. > Hence we cannot remove theme even if they do not post on mailing list. Take the example of myself, I just joined an month ago, > still haven't > done anything since I do not have skills. I am still finding my foor in the Fedora community. Besides making some posts on the mailing list, I haven't done anything significant. > So If I were to be removed, I would feel rejected & would develop a negative attitude towards Fedora community. Even though I wish to return, I won't return for sure. > So I feel we should not be too strict. After all everybody loves Freedom. > > Regards, > Gaurav Prabhu > > ________________________________________ > Connect with friends all over the world.. Get Yahoo! India Messenger. > > __________________________________________________ > Fa?a liga??es para outros computadores com o novo Yahoo! Messenger > http://br.beta.messenger.yahoo.com/ > > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > > From astrozubenel at googlemail.com Sat Feb 21 00:44:08 2009 From: astrozubenel at googlemail.com (gordon dunlop) Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2009 00:44:08 +0000 Subject: [Ambassadors] Re: inactive ambassadors, a proposed solution In-Reply-To: <499F3F06.8060702@gmail.com> References: <57350.39142.qm@web95106.mail.in2.yahoo.com> <002401c99398$56115ba0$023412e0$@com.br> <499F3F06.8060702@gmail.com> Message-ID: <84b9284b0902201644s4510d871hbfcbe6b482108f0b@mail.gmail.com> 2009/2/20 Johan Hasan > Just want to say hi and let you know, that I am still exist :) > > We all exist as Fedora Ambassadors, by the the way this my first post on > this mailing list as a U.K. Ambassador from Scotland. We all work behind the > scenes promoting Fedora and Linux in general within our country and locality > and just because we do not shout about it does not mean we are doing > nothing. At the moment within the U.K. we are petitioning our government to > adopt free and open software within education : > http://petitions.number10.gov.uk/nonMSschool/sign Paul did say that we are not schoolboys and we should not be treated as such so why do we have the high handedness within the Fedora Organisation. Gordon Dunlop > > > Johan Hasan > Fedora Ambassador, Surabaya > Indonesia. > email: johanhsn at gmail.com > yahoo messenger: johanhsn2000 > > Rodrigo Menezes wrote: > >> Gaurav, >> >> We are talking about people within one or more years of inactivity. Yes, >> they exist, a lot!!! >> >> Cheers, >> >> Rodrigo Menezes >> >> >> >> De: fedora-ambassadors-list-bounces at redhat.com [mailto: >> fedora-ambassadors-list-bounces at redhat.com] Em nome de Gaurav Prabhu >> Enviada em: sexta-feira, 20 de fevereiro de 2009 15:26 >> Para: fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com >> Assunto: Re: [Ambassadors] inactive ambassadors, a proposed solution >> >> >> >> --- On Thu, 19/2/09, Max Spevack wrote: >> From: Max Spevack >> Subject: [Ambassadors] inactive ambassadors, a proposed solution >> To: fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com >> Date: Thursday, 19 February, 2009, 11:34 AM >> The purpose of this email is to try to lay out a roadmap for solving, once >> and >> for all, the question of inactive Fedora Ambassadors. >> >> GOALS OF IDENTIFYING INACTIVE AMBASSADORS: >> >> (1) Housekeeping. All projects need to have their membership rosters >> pruned >> from time to time. In Ambassadors, this is particularly important because >> non-Fedora people might get in touch with Ambassadors, and if they don't >> receive a response, it looks like Fedora >> is ignorning them. Other sub-projects >> for which identifying inactive ambassadors are crucial is packaging. If >> someone >> drops off the face of the earth, their packages need to be given to a new >> owner. >> >> Pages that need to a "refresh" policy: >> >> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/CountryList <-- I argue that >> CountryList is the wrong name for this page, and it should be called >> Directory. >> >> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/MembershipService/Verification >> >> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/Count <-- why do we even need >> this page? Doesn't the CountryList page serve the same purpose? >> >> How often are these pages currently updated? Is the process manual or >> automated, or a mixture of both? >> >> >> (2) Give a more prominent location to the "list of ambassadors per >> country". That page should be the most visited page in all of Fedora >> Ambassadors. People who are trying to find out >> about Fedora should be visiting >> it, and Ambassadors who are looking for other Fedora folks near them >> should be >> visiting it. >> >> We should have something on fedoraproject.org that says "are you >> interested in Fedora? Find a Fedora Ambassador near you to give you some >> information" and you type in your location, and it spits back a list of >> Ambassadors near you. >> >> >> (3) In order for any of (2) to be successful, we need to make sure that >> the >> people who are listed as Ambassadors are actually paying attention to the >> Ambassadors part of Fedora. If someone is not, it doesn't mean that they >> are a bad person -- it just means that they don't want to have to deal >> with >> organizing events or asking questions from newbies to the project. >> >> I wouldn't be offended if someone removed me from the Fedora >> Infrastructure >> group in FAS, because *I DON'T DO ANYTHING WITH FEDORA INFRASTRUCTURE*. >> It >> doesn't mean I'm a bad person or >> not a Fedora contributor, it just means >> that I don't participate in that part of Fedora. >> >> >> HOW DO WE IDENTIFY ACTIVE AMBASSADORS? >> >> We come up with a policy that is simple, and fair. >> >> An active ambassador is someone who: >> >> 1) Has joined the group in FAS. >> 2) Reads and/or posts on fedora-ambassadors-list. >> 3) Has a useful, up-to-date personal page on the Fedora wiki. >> >> And does one or more of: >> >> * Attends or organizes an event once in a release cycle. >> * Maintains a blog on Planet Fedora, with about one post per month. >> * Participates on fedora-list or fedoraforum.org to help people w/ >> questions. >> * Indicates their willingness to mentor and guide new contributors or new >> users. >> >> >> WHAT DO WE DO WITH INACTIVE AMBASSADORS? >> >> If someone is inactive, we *DO NOT* kick them out of the ambassadors group >> in >> FAS, and we *DO NOT* remove them from fedora-ambassadors list. >> >> But we should remove >> them from the "directory of Ambassadors sorted by >> country", which I argue again needs to be much more visible and useful, so >> that those inactive Ambassadors aren't being asked to do public-facing >> things. >> >> When someone re-surfaces or has more time for Ambassadors, we put them >> back on >> the directory. >> >> ================== >> >> Flame me. >> >> --Max >> >> -- >> Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list >> Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list >> >> >> Though I agree with you on some points, but still I feel removing them is >> not the way out. >> If they do not wish to contribute then it's their wish. Who are we to >> remove them from the list? >> Also people have their own set of hurdles, diffculties. Some people are >> under a bad patch of their life. >> Hence we cannot remove theme even if they do not post on mailing list. >> Take the example of myself, I just joined an month ago, >> still haven't >> done anything since I do not have skills. I am still finding my foor in >> the Fedora community. Besides making some posts on the mailing list, I >> haven't done anything significant. >> So If I were to be removed, I would feel rejected & would develop a >> negative attitude towards Fedora community. Even though I wish to return, I >> won't return for sure. >> So I feel we should not be too strict. After all everybody loves Freedom. >> >> Regards, >> Gaurav Prabhu >> >> ________________________________________ >> Connect with friends all over the world.. Get Yahoo! India Messenger. >> >> __________________________________________________ >> Fa?a liga??es para outros computadores com o novo Yahoo! Messenger >> http://br.beta.messenger.yahoo.com/ >> -- >> Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list >> Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list >> >> >> > > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From unidentified221 at gmail.com Sat Feb 21 03:36:48 2009 From: unidentified221 at gmail.com (Emilio Simpkins) Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2009 21:36:48 -0600 Subject: [Ambassadors] Re: inactive ambassadors, a proposed solution In-Reply-To: <84b9284b0902201644s4510d871hbfcbe6b482108f0b@mail.gmail.com> References: <57350.39142.qm@web95106.mail.in2.yahoo.com> <002401c99398$56115ba0$023412e0$@com.br> <499F3F06.8060702@gmail.com> <84b9284b0902201644s4510d871hbfcbe6b482108f0b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: I agree with that. Just because we are not "reporting" on what were doing, doesnt mean we are not here. I dont want this taken the wrong way, but on top of work and school, and trying to interact with my parents and friends, i have close to 0 free time. So it most likely wont be spent updating a wiki page or trying to convience someone that im promoting Fedora. 2009/2/20 gordon dunlop > > > 2009/2/20 Johan Hasan > >> Just want to say hi and let you know, that I am still exist :) >> > > >> We all exist as Fedora Ambassadors, by the the way this my first post on >> this mailing list as a U.K. Ambassador from Scotland. We all work behind the >> scenes promoting Fedora and Linux in general within our country and locality >> and just because we do not shout about it does not mean we are doing >> nothing. At the moment within the U.K. we are petitioning our government to >> adopt free and open software within education : >> http://petitions.number10.gov.uk/nonMSschool/sign > > Paul did say that we are not schoolboys and we should not be treated as > such so why do we have the high handedness within the Fedora Organisation. > > Gordon Dunlop > >> >> >> Johan Hasan >> Fedora Ambassador, Surabaya >> Indonesia. >> email: johanhsn at gmail.com >> yahoo messenger: johanhsn2000 >> >> Rodrigo Menezes wrote: >> >>> Gaurav, >>> >>> We are talking about people within one or more years of inactivity. Yes, >>> they exist, a lot!!! >>> >>> Cheers, >>> >>> Rodrigo Menezes >>> >>> >>> >>> De: fedora-ambassadors-list-bounces at redhat.com [mailto: >>> fedora-ambassadors-list-bounces at redhat.com] Em nome de Gaurav Prabhu >>> Enviada em: sexta-feira, 20 de fevereiro de 2009 15:26 >>> Para: fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com >>> Assunto: Re: [Ambassadors] inactive ambassadors, a proposed solution >>> >>> >>> >>> --- On Thu, 19/2/09, Max Spevack wrote: >>> From: Max Spevack >>> Subject: [Ambassadors] inactive ambassadors, a proposed solution >>> To: fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com >>> Date: Thursday, 19 February, 2009, 11:34 AM >>> The purpose of this email is to try to lay out a roadmap for solving, >>> once and >>> for all, the question of inactive Fedora Ambassadors. >>> >>> GOALS OF IDENTIFYING INACTIVE AMBASSADORS: >>> >>> (1) Housekeeping. All projects need to have their membership rosters >>> pruned >>> from time to time. In Ambassadors, this is particularly important >>> because >>> non-Fedora people might get in touch with Ambassadors, and if they don't >>> receive a response, it looks like Fedora >>> is ignorning them. Other sub-projects >>> for which identifying inactive ambassadors are crucial is packaging. If >>> someone >>> drops off the face of the earth, their packages need to be given to a new >>> owner. >>> >>> Pages that need to a "refresh" policy: >>> >>> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/CountryList <-- I argue that >>> CountryList is the wrong name for this page, and it should be called >>> Directory. >>> >>> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/MembershipService/Verification >>> >>> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/Count <-- why do we even need >>> this page? Doesn't the CountryList page serve the same purpose? >>> >>> How often are these pages currently updated? Is the process manual or >>> automated, or a mixture of both? >>> >>> >>> (2) Give a more prominent location to the "list of ambassadors per >>> country". That page should be the most visited page in all of Fedora >>> Ambassadors. People who are trying to find out >>> about Fedora should be visiting >>> it, and Ambassadors who are looking for other Fedora folks near them >>> should be >>> visiting it. >>> >>> We should have something on fedoraproject.org that says "are you >>> interested in Fedora? Find a Fedora Ambassador near you to give you some >>> information" and you type in your location, and it spits back a list of >>> Ambassadors near you. >>> >>> >>> (3) In order for any of (2) to be successful, we need to make sure that >>> the >>> people who are listed as Ambassadors are actually paying attention to the >>> Ambassadors part of Fedora. If someone is not, it doesn't mean that they >>> are a bad person -- it just means that they don't want to have to deal >>> with >>> organizing events or asking questions from newbies to the project. >>> >>> I wouldn't be offended if someone removed me from the Fedora >>> Infrastructure >>> group in FAS, because *I DON'T DO ANYTHING WITH FEDORA INFRASTRUCTURE*. >>> It >>> doesn't mean I'm a bad person or >>> not a Fedora contributor, it just means >>> that I don't participate in that part of Fedora. >>> >>> >>> HOW DO WE IDENTIFY ACTIVE AMBASSADORS? >>> >>> We come up with a policy that is simple, and fair. >>> >>> An active ambassador is someone who: >>> >>> 1) Has joined the group in FAS. >>> 2) Reads and/or posts on fedora-ambassadors-list. >>> 3) Has a useful, up-to-date personal page on the Fedora wiki. >>> >>> And does one or more of: >>> >>> * Attends or organizes an event once in a release cycle. >>> * Maintains a blog on Planet Fedora, with about one post per month. >>> * Participates on fedora-list or fedoraforum.org to help people w/ >>> questions. >>> * Indicates their willingness to mentor and guide new contributors or new >>> users. >>> >>> >>> WHAT DO WE DO WITH INACTIVE AMBASSADORS? >>> >>> If someone is inactive, we *DO NOT* kick them out of the ambassadors >>> group in >>> FAS, and we *DO NOT* remove them from fedora-ambassadors list. >>> >>> But we should remove >>> them from the "directory of Ambassadors sorted by >>> country", which I argue again needs to be much more visible and useful, >>> so >>> that those inactive Ambassadors aren't being asked to do public-facing >>> things. >>> >>> When someone re-surfaces or has more time for Ambassadors, we put them >>> back on >>> the directory. >>> >>> ================== >>> >>> Flame me. >>> >>> --Max >>> >>> -- >>> Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list >>> Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com >>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list >>> >>> >>> Though I agree with you on some points, but still I feel removing them is >>> not the way out. >>> If they do not wish to contribute then it's their wish. Who are we to >>> remove them from the list? >>> Also people have their own set of hurdles, diffculties. Some people are >>> under a bad patch of their life. >>> Hence we cannot remove theme even if they do not post on mailing list. >>> Take the example of myself, I just joined an month ago, >>> still haven't >>> done anything since I do not have skills. I am still finding my foor in >>> the Fedora community. Besides making some posts on the mailing list, I >>> haven't done anything significant. >>> So If I were to be removed, I would feel rejected & would develop a >>> negative attitude towards Fedora community. Even though I wish to return, I >>> won't return for sure. >>> So I feel we should not be too strict. After all everybody loves Freedom. >>> >>> Regards, >>> Gaurav Prabhu >>> >>> ________________________________________ >>> Connect with friends all over the world.. Get Yahoo! India Messenger. >>> >>> __________________________________________________ >>> Fa?a liga??es para outros computadores com o novo Yahoo! Messenger >>> http://br.beta.messenger.yahoo.com/ >>> -- >>> Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list >>> Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com >>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list >>> >>> >>> >> >> -- >> Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list >> Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list >> > > > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From inode0 at gmail.com Sat Feb 21 05:00:39 2009 From: inode0 at gmail.com (inode0) Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2009 23:00:39 -0600 Subject: [Ambassadors] Re: inactive ambassadors, a proposed solution In-Reply-To: <499F3F06.8060702@gmail.com> References: <57350.39142.qm@web95106.mail.in2.yahoo.com> <002401c99398$56115ba0$023412e0$@com.br> <499F3F06.8060702@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Fri, Feb 20, 2009 at 5:38 PM, Johan Hasan wrote: > Just want to say hi and let you know, that I am still exist :) Hi Johan, I could not be more proud to be your fellow Fedora ambassador and hope while you are visiting here I might get the chance to meet you in person one day. Your story and the stories of others in this thread remind me of what bonds us together and that we should take the greatest care to not break those bonds over something trivial. We participate spreading the message of Fedora in small and large ways, in small and large communities, and with small and large effects. Losing one Johan or one Gordon or one Emilio by continuing down this path is a price that is too high to pay. We need to trust each other as ambassadors to do what is right, promote Fedora as best we can, in the ways we can, at the times we can. > I have given lecturer in Introduction in IT using Fedora for my students. > The lecturing delivered using project based learning besides instructional. > In 20th December 2008, I was introducing Fedora 10 and workshop to a small > society in Surabaya, freely. But the participants for Fedora workshop aren't > really much, just about 15 person. Maybe because the time was too tight and > I didn't do a marketing very well. I also copy Fedora-10 for 1000 pieces > with my own money for giving to others freely. A half of them were supported > by local vendors then, so they give it as a souvenir in the computer > exhibition. > > I am Fedora Ambassador in Indonesia since last year, but I still have no > chance to meet my colleague from Indonesia. There are six fedora Ambassador > from Indonesia including me (it is still small number for the country with > the population more than 237 million peoples). The one I have contacted and > chatted was Indrayana from Jakarta. Perhaps one day I can meet my other > colleagues. > > Right now, I am in Kansas City until June 2008 since I have sent by my > university to learn about entrepreneurship from Kauffman Foundation. So > maybe I can not active for a while, but still happy if I can meet other > Fedora Ambassador in USA. Tomorrow, I will go to Stanford for a week and the > next following week, I will be in Boston and after that I will come back to > Kansas City. Perhaps, I can learn some idea about Fedora from colleagues in > USA. Please stop by #fedora-ambassadors on freenode and chat with us any time. And you are more than welcome to participate in our FAmNA meetings (the next one will be in early March). We might learn more from you than you will from us, we'd love to talk with you. > By the way, if there are some Fedora Ambassador visit to Surabaya - > Indonesia, please contact me. I am really welcome. > Or maybe we can launch Fedora in Bali, Indonesia? It will be fun :) I propose we do the following now. (1) Stop further discussion of putting labels of active and inactive on ambassadors. We are all Fedora ambassadors, let's leave it at that. (2) Work with FAmSCo to solve the actual problem that began this discussion and create an effective way for our community to contact ambassadors and for the non-Fedora community to contact us. This can be done without creating any new bureaucracy that burdens Fedora ambassadors. Several reasonable suggestions that accomplish this have already been offered for consideration. Let's take a collective deep breath. John From foss.mailinglists at gmail.com Sat Feb 21 05:05:53 2009 From: foss.mailinglists at gmail.com (Sankarshan Mukhopadhyay) Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2009 10:35:53 +0530 Subject: [Ambassadors] Custom SPIN for DF-Day+ In-Reply-To: <78323d480902201425u56596d1cw9faba475ca5acda9@mail.gmail.com> References: <78323d480902201425u56596d1cw9faba475ca5acda9@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <35586fc00902202105h6ede8493y1a242f5ea3cb272f@mail.gmail.com> On Sat, Feb 21, 2009 at 3:55 AM, Mani A wrote: > Is it possible for somebody to make a custom spin including: > > 1. Mainly destop oriented packages (updated to stable Fedora10) > 2. All Open Office stuff with good collection of templates, Dictonaries > 3. Scribus, GIMP, Koffice, Gnumeric, Docbook, Lua, Quanta etc (latest stable) > 4. TexLive and IDEs > 5. Lots of Advocacy related documentation + Whitepapers, Technical > reports, Tutorials etc (for DF-Day): (I can help) > 6. Documentation > More (please suggest) Can you put up the desired content on a wiki page and pass the link to the mailing list ? Creating a spin is reasonably easy, what is important is: * figuring if the content does actually fit into a CD/DVD * all content can be packaged within a Fedora spin * the relevant packages are explicitly mentioned (in the form how they are in the kickstart) -- http://www.gutenberg.net - Fine literature digitally re-published http://www.plos.org - Public Library of Science http://www.creativecommons.org - Flexible copyright for creative work From diamond_ramsey at hotmail.com Sat Feb 21 05:14:16 2009 From: diamond_ramsey at hotmail.com (David Ramsey) Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2009 00:14:16 -0500 Subject: [Ambassadors] Re: inactive ambassadors, a proposed solution In-Reply-To: References: <57350.39142.qm@web95106.mail.in2.yahoo.com> <002401c99398$56115ba0$023412e0$@com.br> <499F3F06.8060702@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hello Everyone, Greetings. :) I appreciate reading everyone's post. I concur with John's proposal. :) > I propose we do the following now. > > (1) Stop further discussion of putting labels of active and inactive > on ambassadors. We are all Fedora ambassadors, let's leave it at that. Sounds like a plan to me. > (2) Work with FAmSCo to solve the actual problem that began this > discussion and create an effective way for our community to contact > ambassadors and for the non-Fedora community to contact us. This can > be done without creating any new bureaucracy that burdens Fedora > ambassadors. Several reasonable suggestions that accomplish this have > already been offered for consideration. True. > Let's take a collective deep breath. +1 Please have a good day and an enjoyable weekend! :~) Thank You Sincerely =-=-=-=-= - David - =-=-=-=-= > Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2009 23:00:39 -0600 > Subject: Re: [Ambassadors] Re: inactive ambassadors, a proposed solution > From: inode0 at gmail.com > To: fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > > On Fri, Feb 20, 2009 at 5:38 PM, Johan Hasan wrote: > > Just want to say hi and let you know, that I am still exist :) > > Hi Johan, > > I could not be more proud to be your fellow Fedora ambassador and hope > while you are visiting here I might get the chance to meet you in > person one day. > > Your story and the stories of others in this thread remind me of what > bonds us together and that we should take the greatest care to not > break those bonds over something trivial. > > We participate spreading the message of Fedora in small and large > ways, in small and large communities, and with small and large > effects. Losing one Johan or one Gordon or one Emilio by continuing > down this path is a price that is too high to pay. We need to trust > each other as ambassadors to do what is right, promote Fedora as best > we can, in the ways we can, at the times we can. > > > I have given lecturer in Introduction in IT using Fedora for my students. > > The lecturing delivered using project based learning besides instructional. > > In 20th December 2008, I was introducing Fedora 10 and workshop to a small > > society in Surabaya, freely. But the participants for Fedora workshop aren't > > really much, just about 15 person. Maybe because the time was too tight and > > I didn't do a marketing very well. I also copy Fedora-10 for 1000 pieces > > with my own money for giving to others freely. A half of them were supported > > by local vendors then, so they give it as a souvenir in the computer > > exhibition. > > > > I am Fedora Ambassador in Indonesia since last year, but I still have no > > chance to meet my colleague from Indonesia. There are six fedora Ambassador > > from Indonesia including me (it is still small number for the country with > > the population more than 237 million peoples). The one I have contacted and > > chatted was Indrayana from Jakarta. Perhaps one day I can meet my other > > colleagues. > > > > Right now, I am in Kansas City until June 2008 since I have sent by my > > university to learn about entrepreneurship from Kauffman Foundation. So > > maybe I can not active for a while, but still happy if I can meet other > > Fedora Ambassador in USA. Tomorrow, I will go to Stanford for a week and the > > next following week, I will be in Boston and after that I will come back to > > Kansas City. Perhaps, I can learn some idea about Fedora from colleagues in > > USA. > > Please stop by #fedora-ambassadors on freenode and chat with us any > time. And you are more than welcome to participate in our FAmNA > meetings (the next one will be in early March). We might learn more > from you than you will from us, we'd love to talk with you. > > > By the way, if there are some Fedora Ambassador visit to Surabaya - > > Indonesia, please contact me. I am really welcome. > > Or maybe we can launch Fedora in Bali, Indonesia? It will be fun :) > > I propose we do the following now. > > (1) Stop further discussion of putting labels of active and inactive > on ambassadors. We are all Fedora ambassadors, let's leave it at that. > > (2) Work with FAmSCo to solve the actual problem that began this > discussion and create an effective way for our community to contact > ambassadors and for the non-Fedora community to contact us. This can > be done without creating any new bureaucracy that burdens Fedora > ambassadors. Several reasonable suggestions that accomplish this have > already been offered for consideration. > > Let's take a collective deep breath. > > John > > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shambo.linux at gmail.com Sat Feb 21 05:49:00 2009 From: shambo.linux at gmail.com (Shambo Bose) Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2009 11:19:00 +0530 Subject: [Ambassadors] Re: inactive ambassadors, a proposed solution In-Reply-To: References: <57350.39142.qm@web95106.mail.in2.yahoo.com> <002401c99398$56115ba0$023412e0$@com.br> <499F3F06.8060702@gmail.com> Message-ID: 2009/2/21 David Ramsey > Hello Everyone, > > Greetings. :) > > I appreciate reading everyone's post. I concur with John's proposal. :) > > > I propose we do the following now. > > > > (1) Stop further discussion of putting labels of active and inactive > > on ambassadors. We are all Fedora ambassadors, let's leave it at that. > > Sounds like a plan to me. > > > (2) Work with FAmSCo to solve the actual problem that began this > > discussion and create an effective way for our community to contact > > ambassadors and for the non-Fedora community to contact us. This can > > be done without creating any new bureaucracy that burdens Fedora > > ambassadors. Several reasonable suggestions that accomplish this have > > already been offered for consideration. > > True. > > > Let's take a collective deep breath. > > +1 > > Please have a good day and an enjoyable weekend! :~) > > Thank You > Sincerely > =-=-=-=-= > - David - > =-=-=-=-= > > > Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2009 23:00:39 -0600 > > Subject: Re: [Ambassadors] Re: inactive ambassadors, a proposed solution > > From: inode0 at gmail.com > > To: fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > > > > On Fri, Feb 20, 2009 at 5:38 PM, Johan Hasan wrote: > > > Just want to say hi and let you know, that I am still exist :) > > > > Hi Johan, > > > > I could not be more proud to be your fellow Fedora ambassador and hope > > while you are visiting here I might get the chance to meet you in > > person one day. > > > > Your story and the stories of others in this thread remind me of what > > bonds us together and that we should take the greatest care to not > > break those bonds over something trivial. > > > > We participate spreading the message of Fedora in small and large > > ways, in small and large communities, and with small and large > > effects. Losing one Johan or one Gordon or one Emilio by continuing > > down this path is a price that is too high to pay. We need to trust > > each other as ambassadors to do what is right, promote Fedora as best > > we can, in the ways we can, at the times we can. > > > > > I have given lecturer in Introduction in IT using Fedora for my > students. > > > The lecturing delivered using project based learning besides > instructional. > > > In 20th December 2008, I was introducing Fedora 10 and workshop to a > small > > > society in Surabaya, freely. But the participants for Fedora workshop > aren't > > > really much, just about 15 person. Maybe because the time was too tight > and > > > I didn't do a marketing very well. I also copy Fedora-10 for 1000 > pieces > > > with my own money for giving to others freely. A half of them were > supported > > > by local vendors then, so they give it as a souvenir in the computer > > > exhibition. > > > > > > I am Fedora Ambassador in Indonesia since last year, but I still have > no > > > chance to meet my colleague from Indonesia. There are six fedora > Ambassador > > > from Indonesia including me (it is still small number for the country > with > > > the population more than 237 million peoples). The one I have contacted > and > > > chatted was Indrayana from Jakarta. Perhaps one day I can meet my other > > > colleagues. > > > > > > Right now, I am in Kansas City until June 2008 since I have sent by my > > > university to learn about entrepreneurship from Kauffman Foundation. So > > > maybe I can not active for a while, but still happy if I can meet other > > > Fedora Ambassador in USA. Tomorrow, I will go to Stanford for a week > and the > > > next following week, I will be in Boston and after that I will come > back to > > > Kansas City. Perhaps, I can learn some idea about Fedora from > colleagues in > > > USA. > > > > Please stop by #fedora-ambassadors on freenode and chat with us any > > time. And you are more than welcome to participate in our FAmNA > > meetings (the next one will be in early March). We might learn more > > from you than you will from us, we'd love to talk with you. > > > > > By the way, if there are some Fedora Ambassador visit to Surabaya - > > > Indonesia, please contact me. I am really welcome. > > > Or maybe we can launch Fedora in Bali, Indonesia? It will be fun :) > > > > I propose we do the following now. > > > > (1) Stop further discussion of putting labels of active and inactive > > on ambassadors. We are all Fedora ambassadors, let's leave it at that. > > > > (2) Work with FAmSCo to solve the actual problem that began this > > discussion and create an effective way for our community to contact > > ambassadors and for the non-Fedora community to contact us. This can > > be done without creating any new bureaucracy that burdens Fedora > > ambassadors. Several reasonable suggestions that accomplish this have > > already been offered for consideration. > > > > Let's take a collective deep breath. > > > > John > > > > -- > > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > > +1 But I think some kind of reporting should be done. I am telling this though I don't get enough time to update wiki , attend meetings myself but from the point of view of Fedora we should consider the scenario too. May be we are working silently and are active but how come other ambassadors will know that ? We should at least report our activities once a week, if not possible every fortnight in the wiki or to this mailing list or to other ambassador in our region. I am going to follow this from now on rather I should. Regards , Shambo Bose -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From angel at linux.org.bd Sat Feb 21 06:03:43 2009 From: angel at linux.org.bd (Ashiqur Rahman Angel) Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2009 12:03:43 +0600 Subject: [Ambassadors] Re: inactive ambassadors, a proposed solution In-Reply-To: References: <57350.39142.qm@web95106.mail.in2.yahoo.com> <002401c99398$56115ba0$023412e0$@com.br> <499F3F06.8060702@gmail.com> Message-ID: 2009/2/21 Shambo Bose > > +1 > But I think some kind of reporting should be done. I am telling this though > I don't get enough time to update wiki , attend meetings myself but from the > point of view of Fedora we should consider the scenario too. May be we are > working silently and are active but how come other ambassadors will know > that ? We should at least report our activities once a week, if not possible > every fortnight in the wiki or to this mailing list or to other ambassador > in our region. > I am going to follow this from now on rather I should. > > Regards , > > Shambo Bose > > +1. Let others know, what you are doing. I think, everyone can give 10 minutes to write a report at least once in a month. And I don't think, it's impossible to give 10 minutes, once in a month, no matter, what you are, where you from or what you are doing. Now if you can't do this, surely, you are not active or you just don't care! And if you can't give 10 minutes for the project (once in a month), why did you apply for Ambassadors? -- Angel http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Angel 0DF8 3CD4 AFE3 68C6 2CDA 9F17 14B8 1A15 E5F7 73C2 Fedora -- Freedom? and rapid innovation -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From inode0 at gmail.com Sat Feb 21 06:19:09 2009 From: inode0 at gmail.com (inode0) Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2009 00:19:09 -0600 Subject: [Ambassadors] Re: inactive ambassadors, a proposed solution In-Reply-To: References: <57350.39142.qm@web95106.mail.in2.yahoo.com> <002401c99398$56115ba0$023412e0$@com.br> <499F3F06.8060702@gmail.com> Message-ID: 2009/2/21 Ashiqur Rahman Angel : > Now if you can't do this, surely, you are not active or you just don't care! > And if you can't give 10 minutes for the project (once in a month), why did > you apply for Ambassadors? I believe in free software, I was inspired by someone I admire, I believe in the Fedora Project's core values. Freedom. Friends. Features. First. I give way more than 10 minutes each day to the Fedora Project. Writing monthly reports was most definitely not on my list of reasons. John From angel at linux.org.bd Sat Feb 21 06:33:49 2009 From: angel at linux.org.bd (Ashiqur Rahman Angel) Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2009 12:33:49 +0600 Subject: [Ambassadors] Re: inactive ambassadors, a proposed solution In-Reply-To: References: <57350.39142.qm@web95106.mail.in2.yahoo.com> <002401c99398$56115ba0$023412e0$@com.br> <499F3F06.8060702@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Sat, Feb 21, 2009 at 12:19 PM, inode0 wrote: > > I believe in free software, I was inspired by someone I admire, I > believe in the Fedora Project's core values. Freedom. Friends. > Features. First. I give way more than 10 minutes each day to the > Fedora Project. Writing monthly reports was most definitely not on my > list of reasons. > > John > > What I meant, if you do anything for Fedora (no matter, its talking with people or helping in Forum), then you can spend another 10 minutes to write a report, at least in a month. -- Angel http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Angel 0DF8 3CD4 AFE3 68C6 2CDA 9F17 14B8 1A15 E5F7 73C2 Fedora -- Freedom? and rapid innovation -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From inode0 at gmail.com Sat Feb 21 06:55:20 2009 From: inode0 at gmail.com (inode0) Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2009 00:55:20 -0600 Subject: [Ambassadors] Re: inactive ambassadors, a proposed solution In-Reply-To: References: <57350.39142.qm@web95106.mail.in2.yahoo.com> <002401c99398$56115ba0$023412e0$@com.br> <499F3F06.8060702@gmail.com> Message-ID: 2009/2/21 Ashiqur Rahman Angel : > On Sat, Feb 21, 2009 at 12:19 PM, inode0 wrote: >> >> I believe in free software, I was inspired by someone I admire, I >> believe in the Fedora Project's core values. Freedom. Friends. >> Features. First. I give way more than 10 minutes each day to the >> Fedora Project. Writing monthly reports was most definitely not on my >> list of reasons. > > What I meant, if you do anything for Fedora (no matter, its talking with > people or helping in Forum), then you can spend another 10 minutes to write > a report, at least in a month. Yes, I could choose to write a report once a month. But I don't. I make a different choice as do a lot of people about how we want to spend our time contributing. I suggest you lead by example and just do it. You don't need a rule. Reports are wonderful. Blogs are wonderful. Giving keynote addresses at conferences are wonderful. These things and hundreds more are wonderful ways an ambassador can contribute. None of them are required. We will all be happier if we can choose to contribute in ways we enjoy and if we are not required to do things we don't enjoy. John From me at royong.com Sat Feb 21 08:02:27 2009 From: me at royong.com (Roy Ong) Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2009 16:02:27 +0800 Subject: [Ambassadors] Re: inactive ambassadors, a proposed solution In-Reply-To: References: <57350.39142.qm@web95106.mail.in2.yahoo.com> <002401c99398$56115ba0$023412e0$@com.br> <499F3F06.8060702@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1235203347.4086.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Sat, 2009-02-21 at 00:55 -0600, inode0 wrote: > 2009/2/21 Ashiqur Rahman Angel : > > On Sat, Feb 21, 2009 at 12:19 PM, inode0 wrote: > >> > >> I believe in free software, I was inspired by someone I admire, I > >> believe in the Fedora Project's core values. Freedom. Friends. > >> Features. First. I give way more than 10 minutes each day to the > >> Fedora Project. Writing monthly reports was most definitely not on my > >> list of reasons. > > > > What I meant, if you do anything for Fedora (no matter, its talking with > > people or helping in Forum), then you can spend another 10 minutes to write > > a report, at least in a month. > > Yes, I could choose to write a report once a month. But I don't. I > make a different choice as do a lot of people about how we want to > spend our time contributing. I suggest you lead by example and just do > it. You don't need a rule. > > Reports are wonderful. Blogs are wonderful. Giving keynote addresses > at conferences are wonderful. These things and hundreds more are > wonderful ways an ambassador can contribute. None of them are > required. We will all be happier if we can choose to contribute in > ways we enjoy and if we are not required to do things we don't enjoy. > > John I guess all the points that have been highlighted are valid in their own ways. We all have different ways of fulfilling our duties as Fedora Ambassadors. Some feel 10mins a month for report typing is justifiable while others feel the 10mins a month could be better used. At the end of the day, I think its now time for someone to come forth and make a decision for the rest of the ambassadors to adhere. No silver bullet here and every suggestion has its merits and accordingly, its own downside. From chitlesh.goorah at gmail.com Sat Feb 21 12:22:51 2009 From: chitlesh.goorah at gmail.com (Chitlesh GOORAH) Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2009 13:22:51 +0100 Subject: RES: [Ambassadors] inactive ambassadors, a proposed solution In-Reply-To: <90460ac00902191150n74394c85w5e23b1a77b578c18@mail.gmail.com> References: <27a6293b0902190825s3ea0c475nfaa6171262417693@mail.gmail.com> <00de01c992b2$2b6800c0$82380240$@com.br> <21179be0902190855t52f60649m5e51d17d88cb5888@mail.gmail.com> <00e801c992b6$7ee04560$7ca0d020$@com.br> <499DB02F.3010704@yahoo.com.mx> <27a6293b0902191122k7fd2b876s9dce46d52fdf9808@mail.gmail.com> <90460ac00902191150n74394c85w5e23b1a77b578c18@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <50baabb30902210422i45eb879an29ccdab7f338de9@mail.gmail.com> 2009/2/19 Terrance Hutchinson < hidden >: > ?I have set up a blog and have created some posts in regards to > Fedora 10 FEL. I guess what I am trying to say that since I have only been > ambassador for about a month, that don't remove me from the list,?I will be > more active once I?clear my > workload. I apologize for not being active immediately. Hello Terrance, I welcome your initiative for blogging FEL and invite you to add this blog on the Fedora Planet. http://planet.fedoraproject.org At the same time, I invite you to join the FEL mailing list as we are constantly discussing on ways to improve it. Some discussions are even for F-12 timeframe. http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-electronic-lab-list Kind regards, Chitlesh From chitlesh.goorah at gmail.com Sat Feb 21 12:29:04 2009 From: chitlesh.goorah at gmail.com (Chitlesh GOORAH) Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2009 13:29:04 +0100 Subject: [Ambassadors] Final Details for Kalyani Govt. Engineering Collg. Install Fest and FAD In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <50baabb30902210429t1ef01b6bq9ef5842375def5b2@mail.gmail.com> 2009/2/19 Rangeen Basu: > I'll need atleast 50 more and some FEL DVDs as well. Hello there, India has shown a lot of interests on FEL this year. I should spend some time preparing some - slides/pdf - documentation so that ambassadors can easily spread the word. FYI: A gentoo developer has seen its users switching to Fedora to design hardware: http://blogs.gentoo.org/index.php/2009/02/19/moving-in-and-out?blog=83 Chitlesh From chitlesh.goorah at gmail.com Sat Feb 21 12:40:33 2009 From: chitlesh.goorah at gmail.com (Chitlesh GOORAH) Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2009 13:40:33 +0100 Subject: [Ambassadors] Re: Fedora 11: What do we expect? In-Reply-To: <4986A79B.40206@fedoraproject.org> References: <20090201202755.GA16859@hurricane.linuxnetz.de> <4986A79B.40206@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <50baabb30902210440w75e5fb69q7436fb13feb81bf0@mail.gmail.com> On Mon, Feb 2, 2009 at 8:58 AM, Frank Murphy wrote: > My tutor is now using FEL, and another tutor is interested. Hello Frank, I've booked some timeslots to spend on lowering any difficult barrier for end-users to switch to FEL-11. can you give me some feedbacks about - your difficulties in promoting FEL in your surroundings - what your tutors thinks about FEL and what is lacking - which field of electronics they use FEL (analog, digital, mixed, pcb, ..) ? - your city and country - any relevant to FEL thank you. Chitlesh From sanjay.ankur at gmail.com Sat Feb 21 13:16:03 2009 From: sanjay.ankur at gmail.com (Ankur Sinha) Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2009 18:46:03 +0530 Subject: [Ambassadors] Re: Fedora 11: What do we expect? In-Reply-To: <50baabb30902210440w75e5fb69q7436fb13feb81bf0@mail.gmail.com> References: <20090201202755.GA16859@hurricane.linuxnetz.de> <4986A79B.40206@fedoraproject.org> <50baabb30902210440w75e5fb69q7436fb13feb81bf0@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1235222163.3817.12.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Sat, 2009-02-21 at 13:40 +0100, Chitlesh GOORAH wrote: > On Mon, Feb 2, 2009 at 8:58 AM, Frank Murphy wrote: > > My tutor is now using FEL, and another tutor is interested. > > Hello Frank, > > I've booked some timeslots to spend on lowering any difficult barrier > for end-users to switch to FEL-11. > > can you give me some feedbacks about > - your difficulties in promoting FEL in your surroundings > - what your tutors thinks about FEL and what is lacking > - which field of electronics they use FEL (analog, digital, mixed, pcb, ..) ? > - your city and country > - any relevant to FEL > > thank you. > > Chitlesh > > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list hi Chitesh, I wasn't really aware of the FEL, (since it isn't my stream). Now that I've read up the brochures etc. on your page, I think Ill introduce FEL to the electronics related depts here at college and see what they have to say about it. regards, Ankur From jsimon at fedoraproject.org Sat Feb 21 16:59:02 2009 From: jsimon at fedoraproject.org (JoergSimon) Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2009 17:59:02 +0100 Subject: [Ambassadors] Fedora Ambassadors Welcome Message-ID: <200902211759.10882.jsimon@fedoraproject.org> Dear Ambassadors, let?s welcome our new sponsored Ambassador Group Members: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Rabikumar from India https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Jibeshpatra from India https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Alyy from Istanbul, Turkey https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Dbpatankar from India https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Fabriziolapiello from Italy https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Dejavu87 from Pakistan https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Skyscanner4u from Pakistan Regards Joerg p.s. 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I honestly barely have the time to read my emails, much less to reply to all of them... However, thus far, I have been able to reach thousands of university students, did a seminar on "How to use Linux (Fedora) as a reliable OS", and constantly am spreading the word around. Heck, even my IT manager asked me a couple of days ago to give him both the 32 & 64 bit Fedora DVD's: our proxy servers will soon get what's best out there to drive them: Fedora 10! And maybe our workstations will be finally fueled with the most productive OS one can lay hands on. I side by inode0 with: "...I suggest you lead by example and just do it. You don't need a rule." And I think Roy's got a point: "...At the end of the day, I think its now time for someone to come forth and make a decision for the rest of the ambassadors to adhere." 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I honestly barely have the time to read my emails, much less to reply to all of them...However, thus far, I have been able to reach thousands of university students, did a seminar on "How to use Linux (Fedora) as a reliable OS", and constantly am spreading the word around. Heck, even my IT manager asked me a couple of days ago to give him both the 32 & 64 bit Fedora DVD's: our proxy servers will soon get what's best out ther e to drive them: Fedora 10!And maybe our workstations will be finally fueled with the most productive OS one can lay hands on. I side by inode0 with:"...I suggest you lead by example and just do it. You don't need a rule."And I think Roy's got a point:"...At the end of the day, I think its now time for someone to come forth and make a decision for the rest of the ambassadors to adhere."Until the next reply of this interesting (and long) thread, have a nice weekend, all of you! 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Thanx to all Cooperative Helpful Quizzical @daptable $kilful !nvincible Mysterious Responsible @mbitious Zealous @ctive -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dejavu87 at gmail.com Sun Feb 22 07:38:52 2009 From: dejavu87 at gmail.com (ali r) Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2009 12:38:52 +0500 Subject: [Ambassadors] Ali Here Message-ID: <91dc35e70902212338g38733d4amf25e480172422e0@mail.gmail.com> hi everyone, ali here. Fedora rocks and theres no doubt about it, well in my community i've been taking some serious steps. we have fedora installed in almost all the computers of our department and i have requested the chairman that the same should be done for the other departments of our university. plus wer are also planning a hands-on workshop so that fedora is no longer an alien technology for the faculty and students. regards On Sun, Feb 22, 2009 at 12:10 PM, < fedora-ambassadors-list-request at redhat.com> wrote: > Send Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list submissions to > fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > fedora-ambassadors-list-request at redhat.com > > You can reach the person managing the list at > fedora-ambassadors-list-owner at redhat.com > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Fedora-ambassadors-list digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Re: inactive ambassadors, a proposed solution (gordon dunlop) > 2. Re: Re: inactive ambassadors, a proposed solution > (Paul-Marc Bougharios) > 3. Re: Re: inactive ambassadors, a proposed solution > (Amirtham purendra raman bala) > 4. Re: Re: inactive ambassadors, a proposed solution (Leroy) > 5. New Arrival (qasim raza) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2009 20:33:39 +0000 > From: gordon dunlop > Subject: Re: [Ambassadors] Re: inactive ambassadors, a proposed > solution > To: fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > Message-ID: > <84b9284b0902211233t4099c2d4k6ab8ecbd28ae2334 at mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > 2009/2/21 gordon dunlop > > > > > > > 2009/2/20 Johan Hasan > > > >> At the moment within the U.K. we are petitioning our government to adopt > >> free and open software within education: > >> http://petitions.number10.gov.uk/nonMSschools/ > > > > Sorry I gave you all a dead link. > > Gordon Dunlop > > > >> > >> > >> -- > >> Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > >> Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > >> > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-ambassadors-list/attachments/20090221/8bdcc1be/attachment.html > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2009 00:26:19 +0200 > From: Paul-Marc Bougharios > Subject: Re: [Ambassadors] Re: inactive ambassadors, a proposed > solution > To: fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > Message-ID: > <920e95a50902211426g1e259a29y741ce842fbd11492 at mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Hi all, > > I consider myself one of those ambassadors who are quite active in their > community, but fail to "report back" on wiki's and blogs, or even reply to > mailing lists. > > Not that I wouldn't want to write reports or chat with fellows from a > community I take pride to being member of, but I tend to spend my spare > time > (if any) working on getting people to love Fedora. > I honestly barely have the time to read my emails, much less to reply to > all > of them... > > However, thus far, I have been able to reach thousands of university > students, did a seminar on "How to use Linux (Fedora) as a reliable OS", > and > constantly am spreading the word around. > Heck, even my IT manager asked me a couple of days ago to give him both the > 32 & 64 bit Fedora DVD's: our proxy servers will soon get what's best out > there to drive them: Fedora 10! And maybe our workstations will be finally > fueled with the most productive OS one can lay hands on. > > I side by inode0 with: > "...I suggest you lead by example and just do it. You don't need a rule." > > And I think Roy's got a point: > "...At the end of the day, I think its now time for someone to come forth > and make a > decision for the rest of the ambassadors to adhere." > > Until the next reply of this interesting (and long) thread, have a nice > weekend, all of you! > -- > Take care, > Paul-Marc Bougharios, Engr > > http://www.paulmarc.org/ > > May God Be With You > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-ambassadors-list/attachments/20090222/9ecd8340/attachment.html > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2009 06:55:40 +0530 > From: "Amirtham purendra raman bala" > Subject: Re: [Ambassadors] Re: inactive ambassadors, a proposed > solution > To: > Message-ID: <1235265940.4496bf24afe7fab6f046bf4923da8de6 at mail.in.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Original message From:PaulMarc Bougharios< paulmarc at ieee.org >Date: 22 > Feb 09 03:56:19Subject:Re: [Ambassadors] Re: inactive ambassadors, a > proposed solutionTo: fedoraambassadorslist at redhat.comHi all,I consider > myself one of those ambassadors who are quite active in their community, but > fail to "report back" on wiki's and blogs, or even reply to mailing > lists.Not that I wouldn't want to write reports or chat with fellows from a > community I take pride to being member of, but I tend to spend my spare time > (if any) working on getting people to love Fedora. I honestly barely have > the time to read my emails, much less to reply to all of them...However, > thus far, I have been able to reach thousands of university students, did a > seminar on "How to use Linux (Fedora) as a reliable OS", and constantly am > spreading the word around. Heck, even my IT manager asked me a couple of > days ago to give him both the 32 & 64 bit Fedora DVD's: our proxy servers > will soon get what's best out ther > e to drive them: Fedora 10!And maybe our workstations will be finally > fueled with the most productive OS one can lay hands on. I side by inode0 > with:"...I suggest you lead by example and just do it. You don't need a > rule."And I think Roy's got a point:"...At the end of the day, I think its > now time for someone to come forth and make a decision for the rest of the > ambassadors to adhere."Until the next reply of this interesting (and long) > thread, have a nice weekend, all of you! Take care,PaulMarc Bougharios, > Engrhttp://www.paulmarc.org/ May God Be With You > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-ambassadors-list/attachments/20090222/d88d85d7/attachment.html > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2009 14:52:00 +0800 > From: Leroy > Subject: Re: [Ambassadors] Re: inactive ambassadors, a proposed > solution > To: fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Hi all, > > Just to let you all know I'm still alive and active, although not attending > meetings and reporting back due to being jobless and looking for jobs > nowadays. (thanks to being retrenched). > > Sometimes nowadays, I try to contribute what I can, by teaching students at > Vocational Institutes and Colleges on how to use Fedora and recommending > them to my friends and family and students. From my perspective, inactivity > of Fedora Ambassadors should not be considered on whether Fedora > Ambassadors > report back or not, all of us has a different method of how we contribute > to > The Fedora Project. > > As for the concept of housekeeping. +1 > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-ambassadors-list/attachments/20090222/97bf9f33/attachment.html > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2009 23:09:59 -0800 (PST) > From: qasim raza > Subject: [Ambassadors] New Arrival > To: Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > Message-ID: <894113.68913.qm at web50011.mail.re2.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Hi to all my Seniors in this Field! > I am Qasim, a new ambassidor from pakistan. I want to be an energetic part > of Fedora project. I have plans , but not clear to implement the. I want > little bit guidance , in start what i have to do. Once i go through it. 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I am new to the list. > Can anyone please explain what should I do now ? > I have read my duties already but please tell me some methods to implement > them. > Thanks in advance. > > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > hi Digvijay, welcome to the ambassadors list. all you have to do is go through the posts on the list regularly, give feedbacks if necessary, submit event reports of FOSS events that you are part of, and as an ambassador, make sure you're always there to assist others who are facing problems related to Fedora in particular. also try to be active in an LUG if there is one in your area. Feel free to put up any questions that you have related to Fedora and also post anynthing new that you come across related to Fedora, on the list. Cheers Suyash Kumar -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I am new to the list. > Can anyone please explain what should I do now ? > I have read my duties already but please tell me some methods to implement > them. > Thanks in advance. > > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From foxhaund at gmail.com Sun Feb 22 10:13:51 2009 From: foxhaund at gmail.com (Foxhaund) Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2009 13:13:51 +0300 Subject: [Ambassadors] inactive ambassadors, a proposed solution In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Max, as for me: i have an account in FAS, i have a personal page in Fedora-Wiki, but i write to the fedora-list very seldom, but i always reading it. Am i inactive? I prefer to work with people to sitting in the mailing list and discussing questions. But, of course i agree with you. 19.02.2009, ? 14:34, Max Spevack ???????(?): > The purpose of this email is to try to lay out a roadmap for > solving, once and for all, the question of inactive Fedora > Ambassadors. > > GOALS OF IDENTIFYING INACTIVE AMBASSADORS: > > (1) Housekeeping. All projects need to have their membership > rosters pruned from time to time. In Ambassadors, this is > particularly important because non-Fedora people might get in touch > with Ambassadors, and if they don't receive a response, it looks > like Fedora is ignorning them. Other sub-projects for which > identifying inactive ambassadors are crucial is packaging. If > someone drops off the face of the earth, their packages need to be > given to a new owner. > > Pages that need to a "refresh" policy: > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/CountryList <-- I argue > that CountryList is the wrong name for this page, and it should be > called Directory. > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/MembershipService/Verification > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/Count <-- why do we even > need this page? Doesn't the CountryList page serve the same purpose? > > How often are these pages currently updated? Is the process manual > or automated, or a mixture of both? > > > (2) Give a more prominent location to the "list of ambassadors per > country". That page should be the most visited page in all of > Fedora Ambassadors. People who are trying to find out about Fedora > should be visiting it, and Ambassadors who are looking for other > Fedora folks near them should be visiting it. > > We should have something on fedoraproject.org that says "are you > interested in Fedora? Find a Fedora Ambassador near you to give you > some information" and you type in your location, and it spits back a > list of Ambassadors near you. > > > (3) In order for any of (2) to be successful, we need to make sure > that the people who are listed as Ambassadors are actually paying > attention to the Ambassadors part of Fedora. If someone is not, it > doesn't mean that they are a bad person -- it just means that they > don't want to have to deal with organizing events or asking > questions from newbies to the project. > > I wouldn't be offended if someone removed me from the Fedora > Infrastructure group in FAS, because *I DON'T DO ANYTHING WITH > FEDORA INFRASTRUCTURE*. It doesn't mean I'm a bad person or not a > Fedora contributor, it just means that I don't participate in that > part of Fedora. > > > HOW DO WE IDENTIFY ACTIVE AMBASSADORS? > > We come up with a policy that is simple, and fair. > > An active ambassador is someone who: > > 1) Has joined the group in FAS. > 2) Reads and/or posts on fedora-ambassadors-list. > 3) Has a useful, up-to-date personal page on the Fedora wiki. > > And does one or more of: > > * Attends or organizes an event once in a release cycle. > * Maintains a blog on Planet Fedora, with about one post per month. > * Participates on fedora-list or fedoraforum.org to help people w/ > questions. > * Indicates their willingness to mentor and guide new contributors > or new users. > > > WHAT DO WE DO WITH INACTIVE AMBASSADORS? > > If someone is inactive, we *DO NOT* kick them out of the ambassadors > group in FAS, and we *DO NOT* remove them from fedora-ambassadors > list. > > But we should remove them from the "directory of Ambassadors sorted > by country", which I argue again needs to be much more visible and > useful, so that those inactive Ambassadors aren't being asked to do > public-facing things. > > When someone re-surfaces or has more time for Ambassadors, we put > them back on the directory. > > ================== > > Flame me. > > --Max > > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list From nayyares at gmail.com Sun Feb 22 11:35:21 2009 From: nayyares at gmail.com (Nayyar Ahmad) Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2009 13:35:21 +0200 Subject: [Ambassadors] New Arrival In-Reply-To: <894113.68913.qm@web50011.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <894113.68913.qm@web50011.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <8e1ee2a30902220335j7af75655o1e3c78f1c4a96536@mail.gmail.com> Hi Qasim, i hope you went through Join Fedorasteps. if Yes, i can't see your wiki page at CountryList . you are welcome to ask for any further help/guidance in Fedora Project promotion. cheers 2009/2/22 qasim raza > Hi to all my Seniors in this Field!I am Qasim, a new ambassidor from > pakistan. I want to be an energetic part of Fedora project. I have plans , > but not clear to implement the. I want little bit guidance , in start what i > have to do. Once i go through it. Then i will do a lot for it. > > Thanx to all > > *Cooperative He**lpful* > *Quizzical **@daptable **$kilful **!nvincible M**ysterious* > *Responsible **@mbitious **Zealous @**ctive* > ** > ** > > > > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > > -- Nayyar Ahmad RHCE (ID:804006858622745) Skype: nayyares Blog: nayyares.blogspot.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Jose M Manimala 2009/2/22 Foxhaund > Max, as for me: i have an account in FAS, i have a personal page in > Fedora-Wiki, but i write to the fedora-list very seldom, but i always > reading it. > > Am i inactive? > > I prefer to work with people to sitting in the mailing list and discussing > questions. > > But, of course i agree with you. > > > 19.02.2009, ? 14:34, Max Spevack ???????(?): > > > The purpose of this email is to try to lay out a roadmap for solving, once >> and for all, the question of inactive Fedora Ambassadors. >> >> GOALS OF IDENTIFYING INACTIVE AMBASSADORS: >> >> (1) Housekeeping. All projects need to have their membership rosters >> pruned from time to time. In Ambassadors, this is particularly important >> because non-Fedora people might get in touch with Ambassadors, and if they >> don't receive a response, it looks like Fedora is ignorning them. Other >> sub-projects for which identifying inactive ambassadors are crucial is >> packaging. If someone drops off the face of the earth, their packages need >> to be given to a new owner. >> >> Pages that need to a "refresh" policy: >> >> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/CountryList <-- I argue that >> CountryList is the wrong name for this page, and it should be called >> Directory. >> >> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/MembershipService/Verification >> >> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/Count <-- why do we even need >> this page? Doesn't the CountryList page serve the same purpose? >> >> How often are these pages currently updated? Is the process manual or >> automated, or a mixture of both? >> >> >> (2) Give a more prominent location to the "list of ambassadors per >> country". That page should be the most visited page in all of Fedora >> Ambassadors. People who are trying to find out about Fedora should be >> visiting it, and Ambassadors who are looking for other Fedora folks near >> them should be visiting it. >> >> We should have something on fedoraproject.org that says "are you >> interested in Fedora? Find a Fedora Ambassador near you to give you some >> information" and you type in your location, and it spits back a list of >> Ambassadors near you. >> >> >> (3) In order for any of (2) to be successful, we need to make sure that >> the people who are listed as Ambassadors are actually paying attention to >> the Ambassadors part of Fedora. If someone is not, it doesn't mean that >> they are a bad person -- it just means that they don't want to have to deal >> with organizing events or asking questions from newbies to the project. >> >> I wouldn't be offended if someone removed me from the Fedora >> Infrastructure group in FAS, because *I DON'T DO ANYTHING WITH FEDORA >> INFRASTRUCTURE*. It doesn't mean I'm a bad person or not a Fedora >> contributor, it just means that I don't participate in that part of Fedora. >> >> >> HOW DO WE IDENTIFY ACTIVE AMBASSADORS? >> >> We come up with a policy that is simple, and fair. >> >> An active ambassador is someone who: >> >> 1) Has joined the group in FAS. >> 2) Reads and/or posts on fedora-ambassadors-list. >> 3) Has a useful, up-to-date personal page on the Fedora wiki. >> >> And does one or more of: >> >> * Attends or organizes an event once in a release cycle. >> * Maintains a blog on Planet Fedora, with about one post per month. >> * Participates on fedora-list or fedoraforum.org to help people w/ >> questions. >> * Indicates their willingness to mentor and guide new contributors or new >> users. >> >> >> WHAT DO WE DO WITH INACTIVE AMBASSADORS? >> >> If someone is inactive, we *DO NOT* kick them out of the ambassadors group >> in FAS, and we *DO NOT* remove them from fedora-ambassadors list. >> >> But we should remove them from the "directory of Ambassadors sorted by >> country", which I argue again needs to be much more visible and useful, so >> that those inactive Ambassadors aren't being asked to do public-facing >> things. >> >> When someone re-surfaces or has more time for Ambassadors, we put them >> back on the directory. >> >> ================== >> >> Flame me. >> >> --Max >> >> -- >> Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list >> Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list >> > > > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > -- Jose M Manimala Ph: +919790824111 http://www.jmmblog.in.eu.org GPGkeyID: F5DD9656 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Our program started at 3.30pm, 1st our invited speaker Miss. Netra explained about the linux/FOSS,its advantages/disadvantages ,Future of Linux,etc. After half an hour our next speaker gave some brief introduction about the linux kernel and then he showed live installation of Fedora 10 on projector.at around 5oclock we finished with installation and then we started the session of question and answers. At around 6.15 we finished the program. Due to my exam schedule I didn't get time to write this report. Sorry for late. Regards, Gaurav Taywade Vishwakarma Institute Pune, Linux Users' Group -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From thinklinux.ssh at gmail.com Mon Feb 23 02:31:10 2009 From: thinklinux.ssh at gmail.com (susmit shannigrahi) Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 08:01:10 +0530 Subject: [Ambassadors] Final Details for Kalyani Govt. Engineering Collg. Install Fest and FAD In-Reply-To: <50baabb30902210429t1ef01b6bq9ef5842375def5b2@mail.gmail.com> References: <50baabb30902210429t1ef01b6bq9ef5842375def5b2@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: There were a number of fedora people there and we are still awaiting the report of this. Hope that will arrive soon. Thanks. -- Regards, Susmit. ============================================= ssh 0x86DD170A http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/user:susmit ============================================= Sent from: Calcutta Wb India. From eagerclouds at gmail.com Mon Feb 23 03:28:33 2009 From: eagerclouds at gmail.com (Li, Songlin) Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 11:28:33 +0800 Subject: [Ambassadors] Fedora Ambassadors Welcome In-Reply-To: <200902211759.10882.jsimon@fedoraproject.org> References: <200902211759.10882.jsimon@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: Welcome 2009/2/22 JoergSimon > Dear Ambassadors, > > let?s welcome our new sponsored Ambassador Group Members: > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Rabikumar from India > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Jibeshpatra from India > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Alyy from Istanbul, Turkey > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Dbpatankar from India > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Fabriziolapiello from Italy > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Dejavu87 from Pakistan > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Skyscanner4u from Pakistan > > Regards Joerg > p.s. Please do not send private "Welcome" Messages to Ambassador List > -- > Joerg (kital) Simon > jsimon at fedoraproject.org > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/JoergSimon > http://kitall.blogspot.com > Key Fingerprint: > 3691 0989 2DCA 58A2 8D1F 2CAC C823 558E 5B5B 5688 > > > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > > -- Regards ----------------------------------------- Aaron, Li ???? Beijing, China TEL: +86 0 138 104 957 91 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From foss.mailinglists at gmail.com Mon Feb 23 04:07:41 2009 From: foss.mailinglists at gmail.com (Sankarshan Mukhopadhyay) Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 09:37:41 +0530 Subject: [Ambassadors] Final Details for Kalyani Govt. Engineering Collg. Install Fest and FAD In-Reply-To: <50baabb30902210429t1ef01b6bq9ef5842375def5b2@mail.gmail.com> References: <50baabb30902210429t1ef01b6bq9ef5842375def5b2@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <35586fc00902222007t2d8c4923j4c425ad16944552b@mail.gmail.com> On Sat, Feb 21, 2009 at 5:59 PM, Chitlesh GOORAH wrote: > India has shown a lot of interests on FEL this year. I should spend > some time preparing some > - slides/pdf > - documentation > so that ambassadors can easily spread the word. If the FEL article does get published in March09 (I am yet to chase Aanjhan for details on that), I'd expect much more interest along the following lines: - how to use it as a development platform - how to put requests for enhancements - how to 'market' it to more institutions The beauty of FEL is that it fits right into the curriculum without requiring a modification in the curriculum contents. That plug-n-play part is going to be of immense help when augmented with slides/pdf or, even a small recording talking about FEL, its genesis and its roadmap. -- http://www.gutenberg.net - Fine literature digitally re-published http://www.plos.org - Public Library of Science http://www.creativecommons.org - Flexible copyright for creative work From skyscanner4u at gmail.com Mon Feb 23 04:43:41 2009 From: skyscanner4u at gmail.com (CODE BRE@KER) Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 09:43:41 +0500 Subject: [Ambassadors] Fedora Ambassadors Welcome In-Reply-To: References: <200902211759.10882.jsimon@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <5771a5af0902222043v51b08696ge011b322515c8844@mail.gmail.com> Thanx, i will do my best to promote the fedora Core . In this regard i want your kind guidance and help. please do provide some necessary basic informations.. That will help us , to accelerate our efforts. 2009/2/23 Li, Songlin > Welcome > > 2009/2/22 JoergSimon > >> Dear Ambassadors, >> >> let?s welcome our new sponsored Ambassador Group Members: >> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Rabikumar from India >> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Jibeshpatra from India >> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Alyy from Istanbul, Turkey >> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Dbpatankar from India >> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Fabriziolapiello from Italy >> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Dejavu87 from Pakistan >> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Skyscanner4u from Pakistan >> >> Regards Joerg >> p.s. Please do not send private "Welcome" Messages to Ambassador List >> -- >> Joerg (kital) Simon >> jsimon at fedoraproject.org >> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/JoergSimon >> http://kitall.blogspot.com >> Key Fingerprint: >> 3691 0989 2DCA 58A2 8D1F 2CAC C823 558E 5B5B 5688 >> >> >> -- >> Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list >> Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list >> >> > > > -- > Regards > ----------------------------------------- > Aaron, Li > ???? Beijing, China > TEL: +86 0 138 104 957 91 > > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > > -- C0DE BRE at KER -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Besides making some posts on the mailing list, I haven't > done anything significant. If you'd love to meet some of the other Indian Ambassadors or, talk out loud about what you can do as small steps towards meeting your Ambassador role, do hop over to #fedora-india. There are a lot of folks on the channel who would be more than happy to learn from your experience and share their knowledge. -- http://www.gutenberg.net - Fine literature digitally re-published http://www.plos.org - Public Library of Science http://www.creativecommons.org - Flexible copyright for creative work From satyajit at nerdshack.com Mon Feb 23 07:44:23 2009 From: satyajit at nerdshack.com (Satyajit) Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 14:44:23 +0700 Subject: [Ambassadors] Active or Inactive Message-ID: <49A253D7.1090408@nerdshack.com> Hi all, I have been an ambassador for Fedora for the past one year. During this time I have promoted fedora by conducting seminars and talking to people about fedora. I have also provided many of them with fedora live discs and installed it on their usbs. Now I have not been active on the irc or the mailing list. Yet I am very passionate about fedora and have been using it since fedora core 4. Does my stand make me an inactive ambassador or an active one? Satyajit From paul at paulmellors.net Mon Feb 23 09:24:31 2009 From: paul at paulmellors.net (Paul Mellors) Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 09:24:31 +0000 Subject: [Ambassadors] Fedora Ambassadors Welcome In-Reply-To: <5771a5af0902222043v51b08696ge011b322515c8844@mail.gmail.com> References: <200902211759.10882.jsimon@fedoraproject.org> <5771a5af0902222043v51b08696ge011b322515c8844@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <49A26B4F.7090307@paulmellors.net> CODE BRE at KER wrote: > Thanx, i will do my best to promote the fedora Core . In this regard i > want your kind guidance and help. please do provide some necessary basic > informations.. Perhaps, unless you've already seen it, you need to read this http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors It gives you helpful advice on Events, Reporting an FAQ etc it's a good starting point. Paul From jsimon at fedoraproject.org Mon Feb 23 09:36:46 2009 From: jsimon at fedoraproject.org (JoergSimon) Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 10:36:46 +0100 Subject: [Ambassadors] Fedora Ambassadors Welcome Message-ID: <200902231036.50336.jsimon@fedoraproject.org> Dear Ambassadors, let?s welcome our new sponsored Ambassador Group Members: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Thierry from Oslo, Norway https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Navinv from India https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Tiagovieira from United Kingdom https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Smcbrien from USA https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Gonz0 from USA Regards Joerg p.s. Please do not send private "Welcome" Messages to Ambassador List -- Joerg (kital) Simon jsimon at fedoraproject.org http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/JoergSimon http://kitall.blogspot.com Key Fingerprint: 3691 0989 2DCA 58A2 8D1F 2CAC C823 558E 5B5B 5688 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 197 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part. URL: From rtnpro at gmail.com Mon Feb 23 10:14:22 2009 From: rtnpro at gmail.com (Ratnadeep Debnath) Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 15:44:22 +0530 Subject: [Ambassadors] Final Details for Kalyani Govt. Engineering Collg. Install Fest and FAD In-Reply-To: References: <50baabb30902210429t1ef01b6bq9ef5842375def5b2@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <467c41720902230214k22ddd4abk7ba2a456f8f7d3dc@mail.gmail.com> Hello, Sorry for the delay. Here's a report of the Fedora Activity Day in Kalyani Govt. Engg. College, Kalyani. http://ratnadeepdebnath.wordpress.com/2009/02/22/what-an-install-fest-in-kalyani-govt-engg-college-o/ Regards, Ratnadeep Debnath | rtnpro On Mon, Feb 23, 2009 at 8:01 AM, susmit shannigrahi wrote: > There were a number of fedora people there and > we are still awaiting the report of this. > Hope that will arrive soon. > Thanks. > > > -- > Regards, > Susmit. > > ============================================= > ssh > 0x86DD170A > http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/user:susmit > ============================================= > Sent from: Calcutta Wb India. > > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > From diaaradwan at gmail.com Mon Feb 23 11:34:40 2009 From: diaaradwan at gmail.com (Diaa Radwan) Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 13:34:40 +0200 Subject: [Ambassadors] Fedora Day at Misr University for Science and Technology, Egypt Message-ID: <182b9f450902230334o2791c5a4p2e5c47b57fc1b39c@mail.gmail.com> Dear All, I just posted a fedora day event report , check it on "http://fossology.net/Fedora_Day_at_Misr_University_for_Science_and_Technology" On 12 December 2008, we had other successful fedora event at Misr University for Science and Technology, It was one of the last fedora events in 2008, it was just after the reporting Fedora Day at Menoufiya University. -- Diaa Radwa http://fossology.net From stickster at gmail.com Mon Feb 23 13:14:40 2009 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 08:14:40 -0500 Subject: [Ambassadors] Fedora Ambassadors Welcome In-Reply-To: <5771a5af0902222043v51b08696ge011b322515c8844@mail.gmail.com> References: <200902211759.10882.jsimon@fedoraproject.org> <5771a5af0902222043v51b08696ge011b322515c8844@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20090223131440.GD4370@localhost.localdomain> On Mon, Feb 23, 2009 at 09:43:41AM +0500, CODE BRE at KER wrote: > Thanx, i will do my best to promote the fedora Core . In this regard i want > your kind guidance and help. please do provide some necessary basic > informations.. > That will help us , to accelerate our efforts. Keep in mind it's not "Fedora Core," just "Fedora" nowadays. Our repositories were merged a couple years ago so there is no more "Core"/"Extras" split. -- Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available URL: From skyscanner4u at gmail.com Mon Feb 23 13:31:23 2009 From: skyscanner4u at gmail.com (CODE BRE@KER) Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 18:31:23 +0500 Subject: [Ambassadors] Fedora Ambassadors Welcome In-Reply-To: <20090223131440.GD4370@localhost.localdomain> References: <200902211759.10882.jsimon@fedoraproject.org> <5771a5af0902222043v51b08696ge011b322515c8844@mail.gmail.com> <20090223131440.GD4370@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <5771a5af0902230531n72b0eeb4jcc8a88f24b818012@mail.gmail.com> Thanx for the clarification...... 2009/2/23 Paul W. Frields > On Mon, Feb 23, 2009 at 09:43:41AM +0500, CODE BRE at KER wrote: > > Thanx, i will do my best to promote the fedora Core . In this regard i > want > > your kind guidance and help. please do provide some necessary basic > > informations.. > > That will help us , to accelerate our efforts. > > Keep in mind it's not "Fedora Core," just "Fedora" nowadays. Our > repositories were merged a couple years ago so there is no more > "Core"/"Extras" split. > > -- > Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ > gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 > http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ > irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug > > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > > -- C0DE BRE at KER -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From linux at blogmethat.net Mon Feb 23 23:41:04 2009 From: linux at blogmethat.net (Andrew Jamison) Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 18:41:04 -0500 Subject: [Ambassadors] Fedora Test Day - Tacoma Linux Users Group In-Reply-To: <1235428818.9121.55.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1235428818.9121.55.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <49A33410.2000007@blogmethat.net> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Jesse Keating wrote: > I'm part of Tacoma Linux Users Group (taclug.org) and for our next > meeting I'm pitching a "test-fest" for Fedora 11 Beta. The meeting is > March 21st and we won't quite have Beta public, but I should have copies > of the isos necessary to do testing. > > Since this will be our first meeting at the local University, we're > going to try and get more students involved. I have no idea how many > people are going to show up, it should be interesting. > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list It sounds interesting let me know how this goes I will be anxious to find out as the LUG here was talking about possible having something similar for the new Ubuntu when it gets to beta but i would love to do something like this with them. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iJsEAQECAAYFAkmjNA8ACgkQh7SjI2F18kP7owP3UNu9mB7uWknTfgfP6syzNd3d v4fk/gozJwQ1YsFjCOLBMd1+pJOt8LmL/5UFAT/13q1Up3/CVIcM1afa7lIdBMXs YflrS70b0y5H1qry9Mohp/y+lI1awahmdhn/SI0nPu4ezXFwOqQVQ4SOtrYKC8Iy PTtFbtzqzD6viyz0iw== =w8hG -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From herlo1 at gmail.com Tue Feb 24 03:38:19 2009 From: herlo1 at gmail.com (Clint Savage) Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 20:38:19 -0700 Subject: [Ambassadors] SCaLE 7x Event Reports Message-ID: More and more SCaLE 7x reports are coming in from the event this weekend. I've been hard at work collecting them on the SCaLE7x Event page on the wiki[1] Please take a moment and make sure I got them all and add yours if I didn't. Also, please take a moment and blog about the FAD if you already didn't. Especially what you liked and didn't like about the process and how it can be improved. I think FADs are the best tool for socializing and getting stuff done. My thought is we will be holding one at every major event we participate. Cheers, Clint 1 - https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SCaLE_7x_Event#Blogs_and_Reports From kwade at redhat.com Tue Feb 24 03:41:00 2009 From: kwade at redhat.com (Karsten Wade) Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 19:41:00 -0800 Subject: [Ambassadors] Event effects [Re: Outage Notification - Koji, plague 2009-02-21 15:00 UTC] Message-ID: <20090224034100.GH7548@calliope.phig.org> I saw this Koji outage affect us at the SCaLE booth just once this weekend, but I don't know how many more there might have been. Do we want to ask Infrastructure to consider the events schedule when planning outages? Not as a trump card, just a consideration. ----- Forwarded message from Dennis Gilmore ----- From: Dennis Gilmore To: fedora-devel-announce at redhat.com Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 12:38:07 -0600 Subject: Re: Outage Notification - Koji, plague 2009-02-21 15:00 UTC X-BeenThere: fedora-devel-announce at redhat.com On Friday 13 February 2009 09:54:58 pm Dennis Gilmore wrote: > There will be an outage starting at 2009-02-21 15:00 UTC, which will last > approximately 48 hours. > > To convert UTC to your local time, take a look at > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Infrastructure/UTCHowto > or run: > > date -d '2009-02-21 15:00 UTC' > > Affected Services: > > Buildsystem (koji and plague) > > Unaffected Services: > CVS / Source Control > Database > DNS > Fedora Hosted > Fedora People > Fedora Talk > Mail > Mirror System > Torrent > Translation Services > Websites > > Ticket Link: > https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-infrastructure/ticket/1187 > > Reason for Outage: > Maintenance of /mnt/koji filesystem, > koji DB Maintainence > Upgrade koji to support EPEL, noarch subpackages, srpm's built in a chroot. > along with lots of bug fixes. > > Contact Information: > > Please join #fedora-admin in irc.freenode.net or respond to this email to > track the status of this outage. This has been completed and building is back to normal. ?please report any odd failures. ?there has been a very large change in koji. noarch subpackages are now supported, ?which needs srpms to be built in a chroot. ?the last of F-11's features that needed koji changes are now ready to deploy. Dennis _______________________________________________ Fedora-devel-announce mailing list Fedora-devel-announce at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-announce ----- End forwarded message ----- -- Karsten 'quaid' Wade, Community Gardener http://quaid.fedorapeople.org AD0E0C41 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available URL: From makghosh at fedoraproject.org Tue Feb 24 05:01:00 2009 From: makghosh at fedoraproject.org (Arindam Ghosh) Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2009 10:31:00 +0530 Subject: [Ambassadors] Final Details for Kalyani Govt. Engineering Collg. Install Fest and FAD In-Reply-To: References: <50baabb30902210429t1ef01b6bq9ef5842375def5b2@mail.gmail.com> <467c41720902230214k22ddd4abk7ba2a456f8f7d3dc@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <8990327d0902232101j37f3d435yd486c6507f64e8b0@mail.gmail.com> Hi More event reports: [1] http://arindamghosh.wordpress.com/2009/02/24/kgec-fad/ [2] http://subhodipbiswas.wordpress.com/2009/02/24/install-fest-kgec/ Pictures: [3] http://www.flickr.com/photos/tags/kgec/ [4] http://picasaweb.google.co.in/kgeclug/KGECInstallfest09 -- Arindam Ghosh [http://arindamghosh.wordpress.com] GPG Key: 0EE58920 Key Server: http://pgp.mit.edu -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From linux at blogmethat.net Tue Feb 24 05:34:16 2009 From: linux at blogmethat.net (Andrew Jamison) Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2009 00:34:16 -0500 Subject: [Ambassadors] Final Details for Kalyani Govt. Engineering Collg. Install Fest and FAD In-Reply-To: <8990327d0902232101j37f3d435yd486c6507f64e8b0@mail.gmail.com> References: <50baabb30902210429t1ef01b6bq9ef5842375def5b2@mail.gmail.com> <467c41720902230214k22ddd4abk7ba2a456f8f7d3dc@mail.gmail.com> <8990327d0902232101j37f3d435yd486c6507f64e8b0@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <49A386D8.7020909@blogmethat.net> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Arindam Ghosh wrote: > Hi > > More event reports: > > [1] http://arindamghosh.wordpress.com/2009/02/24/kgec-fad/ > [2] http://subhodipbiswas.wordpress.com/2009/02/24/install-fest-kgec/ > > Pictures: > > [3] http://www.flickr.com/photos/tags/kgec/ > [4] http://picasaweb.google.co.in/kgeclug/KGECInstallfest09 > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list Looks like your install fest was a wooping success good job guys -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iJwEAQECAAYFAkmjhtgACgkQh7SjI2F18kMzVgP+LqElW49r275dJB/88UQ9aGDW baiJ3HjSpUkICTp+aDYNRkxDBzngk/Eno0b35wMjUWl+bJXfDnKii9OINunaq3g6 fNOFQLcUsF2OBu6XYfTxXSnm1teQ5oDan1u2SbnwZJBP/E7rUameikkw0SN286hD 9LfBIxNmW0Q0fsaozXQ= =J6ld -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From thinklinux.ssh at gmail.com Tue Feb 24 05:47:12 2009 From: thinklinux.ssh at gmail.com (susmit shannigrahi) Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2009 11:17:12 +0530 Subject: [Ambassadors] Final Details for Kalyani Govt. Engineering Collg. Install Fest and FAD In-Reply-To: <8990327d0902232101j37f3d435yd486c6507f64e8b0@mail.gmail.com> References: <50baabb30902210429t1ef01b6bq9ef5842375def5b2@mail.gmail.com> <467c41720902230214k22ddd4abk7ba2a456f8f7d3dc@mail.gmail.com> <8990327d0902232101j37f3d435yd486c6507f64e8b0@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Tue, Feb 24, 2009 at 10:31 AM, Arindam Ghosh wrote: > Hi > > More event reports: > > [1] http://arindamghosh.wordpress.com/2009/02/24/kgec-fad/ > [2] http://subhodipbiswas.wordpress.com/2009/02/24/install-fest-kgec/ > > Pictures: > > [3] http://www.flickr.com/photos/tags/kgec/ > [4] http://picasaweb.google.co.in/kgeclug/KGECInstallfest09 Nice work guys... Applauses and thanks from me :). -- Regards, Susmit. ============================================= ssh 0x86DD170A http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/user:susmit ============================================= From sherry151 at gmail.com Tue Feb 24 06:08:02 2009 From: sherry151 at gmail.com (Rangeen Basu) Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2009 11:38:02 +0530 Subject: [Ambassadors] Rangeen's KGEC Install Fest and FAD report..[Cross Posted to Fedora-India and Fedora-Ambassadors list] Message-ID: There goes my blog.. KGEC Install Fest & FAD report http://tinyurl.com/aa37ka and picasa Album http://tinyurl.com/ao82mq -- Rangeen Basu Roy Chowdhury Fedora Ambassador sherry151 at gmail.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From sherry151 at gmail.com Tue Feb 24 06:24:16 2009 From: sherry151 at gmail.com (Rangeen Basu) Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2009 11:54:16 +0530 Subject: [Ambassadors] Final Details for Kalyani Govt. Engineering Collg. Install Fest and FAD In-Reply-To: References: <50baabb30902210429t1ef01b6bq9ef5842375def5b2@mail.gmail.com> <467c41720902230214k22ddd4abk7ba2a456f8f7d3dc@mail.gmail.com> <8990327d0902232101j37f3d435yd486c6507f64e8b0@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Here's the completed events page.. https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FedoraEvents/KGEC_Install_Fest -- Rangeen Basu Roy Chowdhury Fedora Ambassador sherry151 at gmail.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From maxamillion at gmail.com Tue Feb 24 06:47:39 2009 From: maxamillion at gmail.com (Adam Miller) Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2009 00:47:39 -0600 Subject: [Ambassadors] SHACS Presentation report Message-ID: This is my report from the event I had scheduled for February 18, 2009 listed in North America Q1 : http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FedoraEvents Sorry it took so long to get my report put together, I've been wonderfully busy with activities that have spawned from this presentation. Report: http://pseudogen.blogspot.com/2009/02/first-ever-fedora-ambassador-tech-talk.html -- http://maxamillion.googlepages.com --------------------------------------------------------- () ascii ribbon campaign - against html e-mail /\ www.asciiribbon.org - against proprietary attachments From linux at blogmethat.net Tue Feb 24 07:32:19 2009 From: linux at blogmethat.net (Andrew Jamison) Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2009 02:32:19 -0500 Subject: [Ambassadors] SHACS Presentation report In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <49A3A283.5040803@blogmethat.net> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Adam Miller wrote: > This is my report from the event I had scheduled for February 18, 2009 > listed in North America Q1 : > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FedoraEvents > > Sorry it took so long to get my report put together, I've been > wonderfully busy with activities that have spawned from this > presentation. > > Report: http://pseudogen.blogspot.com/2009/02/first-ever-fedora-ambassador-tech-talk.html > Sounds like you did a good job with the event did you have a big turn out as far as people becoming interested in Fedora -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iJwEAQECAAYFAkmjooMACgkQh7SjI2F18kMprgP/Y1qKxtDZ8oZjRpacwNrvCRRV Vhy55ToXJT2+YmDuw8LtKF3Tlxd1cus3UrLvYAxXpViwGWj9rPU8VR8K6qCs5L7q admBVRxv9j8g1be/XiuQaMtHvRxmyAQNByulT43d9+GCbB+CHKHA/AbGEd1qVsSd 0BBkx9B4yMIUiPo6GVk= =jKPk -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From maxamillion at gmail.com Tue Feb 24 07:42:47 2009 From: maxamillion at gmail.com (Adam Miller) Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2009 01:42:47 -0600 Subject: [Ambassadors] SHACS Presentation report In-Reply-To: References: <49A3A283.5040803@blogmethat.net> Message-ID: I had roughly 40 people show up and I have about 5 - 10 who are interested in getting involved with devlopment and packaging. Already have one who has submitted his first review request and is waiting for a sponsor. Others want to get more involved with writing utilities for the security spin (our University Computer Science deparment recently opened a Digital Forensics department so that is still new and fresh with a lot of people going that direction). I've been in touch with lmacken about the security spin stuff and I hope to move forward with that asap. -Adam (From my G1) On Feb 24, 2009 1:33 AM, "Andrew Jamison" wrote: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Adam Miller wrote: > This is my report from the event I had scheduled for February 18, 2009 > liste... Sounds like you did a good job with the event did you have a big turn out as far as people becoming interested in Fedora -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iJwEAQECAAYFAkmjooMACgkQh7SjI2F18kMprgP/Y1qKxtDZ8oZjRpacwNrvCRRV Vhy55ToXJT2+YmDuw8LtKF3Tlxd1cus3UrLvYAxXpViwGWj9rPU8VR8K6qCs5L7q admBVRxv9j8g1be/XiuQaMtHvRxmyAQNByulT43d9+GCbB+CHKHA/AbGEd1qVsSd 0BBkx9B4yMIUiPo6GVk= =jKPk -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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In this particular case I don't think it would have changed the timing of the outage, which was mandatory to complete Fedora 11 feature work. However participants in the show would know ahead of time and expect the outage. -- Jesse Keating Fedora -- Freedom? is a feature! identi.ca: http://identi.ca/jkeating -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 197 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From larry.cafiero at gmail.com Tue Feb 24 08:43:34 2009 From: larry.cafiero at gmail.com (Larry Cafiero) Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2009 00:43:34 -0800 Subject: [Ambassadors] SHACS Presentation report In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <7a0d56080902240043x1e691634v371f702c0325606@mail.gmail.com> Adam -- Excellent -- I'll make sure I report on this presentation in next week's Fedora Weekly News. Keep up the great work. 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URL: From linux at blogmethat.net Tue Feb 24 13:42:58 2009 From: linux at blogmethat.net (Andrew Jamison) Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2009 08:42:58 -0500 Subject: [Ambassadors] SHACS Presentation report In-Reply-To: References: <49A3A283.5040803@blogmethat.net> Message-ID: <49A3F962.90909@blogmethat.net> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Very nice good to see the user base growing -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iJwEAQECAAYFAkmj+WIACgkQh7SjI2F18kOTHQP/RoIcooPMnIxBHk10UPQwOLqB M1VmzHnKGbKZD6Wy6/Xmj/Ec/aBuMEYf051A5sFoUYNG+guWMNx0aa/uM/rwyEao jCrS+X4kA7i1T92drb+xTHoyasqOx5JiZjaY38tZWbsxodzFYKsstKRot2/I+dSj 66oaFFIiyqbJlJZK+CM= =noDB -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From hpillay at redhat.com Tue Feb 24 15:35:39 2009 From: hpillay at redhat.com (Harish Pillay) Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2009 23:35:39 +0800 Subject: [Ambassadors] Equivalent document for Fedora Message-ID: <49A413CB.9050805@redhat.com> Ambassadors - Hi. The following is from Linux Format and the document covers the use of Ubuntu all the way. Can we find a way to get Linux Format to perhaps update their Starter Pack with Fedora this time? http://www.tuxradar.com/linuxstarterpack Thanks. -- Harish Pillay 9v1hp hpillay at redhat.com +65.9636.9253 gpg id: 746809E3 gpg fingerprint: F7F5 5CCD 25B9 FC25 303E 3DA2 0F80 27DB 7468 09E3 From mackay3 at gmail.com Tue Feb 24 16:03:11 2009 From: mackay3 at gmail.com (John Mackay) Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2009 10:03:11 -0600 Subject: [Ambassadors] inactive ambassadors, a proposed solution In-Reply-To: <35586fc00902222223p364c21d9v92491eb2da351401@mail.gmail.com> References: <57350.39142.qm@web95106.mail.in2.yahoo.com> <35586fc00902222223p364c21d9v92491eb2da351401@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <5d88dfb00902240803k69d6b900k77d243a48ca787cf@mail.gmail.com> Why do we need to locate inactive ambassadors, and remove them? Why not keep em? It might be better to have people helping esporadically, that no help at all. Before someone asks, I am sporadic. 2009/2/23 Sankarshan Mukhopadhyay > 2009/2/20 Gaurav Prabhu : > > > Though I agree with you on some points, but still I feel removing them is > > not the way out. > > If they do not wish to contribute then it's their wish. Who are we to > remove > > them from the list? > > Also people have their own set of hurdles, diffculties. Some people are > > under a bad patch of their life. > > Hence we cannot remove theme even if they do not post on mailing list. > Take > > the example of myself, I just joined an month ago, > > still haven't > > done anything since I do not have skills. I am still finding my foor in > the > > Fedora community. 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URL: From smcbrien at gmail.com Tue Feb 24 17:19:54 2009 From: smcbrien at gmail.com (Scott McBrien) Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2009 12:19:54 -0500 Subject: [Ambassadors] inactive ambassadors, a proposed solution In-Reply-To: <5d88dfb00902240803k69d6b900k77d243a48ca787cf@mail.gmail.com> References: <57350.39142.qm@web95106.mail.in2.yahoo.com> <35586fc00902222223p364c21d9v92491eb2da351401@mail.gmail.com> <5d88dfb00902240803k69d6b900k77d243a48ca787cf@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: There are two valid points, for one, the Ambassadorship guidelines are very open, more or less, do what you want. On the other hand, how useful is it to have someone listed as an ambassador for an area when they are MIA? And what kind of impression does it make if someone is trying to work with Fedora, but their Ambassador is non-responsive? Perhaps the Regional Ambassador setup that's been going on in NA is a step people can agree on? Or maybe having one Ambassador per area that is known by the community as being active to help maintain a list of other active ambassadors in their area? -Scott On Feb 24, 2009, at 11:03 AM, John Mackay wrote: > Why do we need to locate inactive ambassadors, and remove them? Why > not keep em? > It might be better to have people helping esporadically, that no > help at all. > Before someone asks, I am sporadic. > 2009/2/23 Sankarshan Mukhopadhyay > 2009/2/20 Gaurav Prabhu : > > > Though I agree with you on some points, but still I feel removing > them is > > not the way out. > > If they do not wish to contribute then it's their wish. Who are we > to remove > > them from the list? > > Also people have their own set of hurdles, diffculties. Some > people are > > under a bad patch of their life. > > Hence we cannot remove theme even if they do not post on mailing > list. Take > > the example of myself, I just joined an month ago, > > still haven't > > done anything since I do not have skills. I am still finding my > foor in the > > Fedora community. Besides making some posts on the mailing list, I > haven't > > done anything significant. > > If you'd love to meet some of the other Indian Ambassadors or, talk > out loud about what you can do as small steps towards meeting your > Ambassador role, do hop over to #fedora-india. 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URL: From subhodip at fedoraproject.org Tue Feb 24 20:05:00 2009 From: subhodip at fedoraproject.org (subhodip biswas) Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 01:35:00 +0530 Subject: [Ambassadors] Final Details for Kalyani Govt. Engineering Collg. Install Fest and FAD In-Reply-To: References: <50baabb30902210429t1ef01b6bq9ef5842375def5b2@mail.gmail.com> <467c41720902230214k22ddd4abk7ba2a456f8f7d3dc@mail.gmail.com> <8990327d0902232101j37f3d435yd486c6507f64e8b0@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <539333cb0902241205y6e07f304ge30dd7ec07751607@mail.gmail.com> hi ! 2009/2/24 Rangeen Basu : > > Here's the completed events page.. > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FedoraEvents/KGEC_Install_Fest > > > -- > Rangeen Basu Roy Chowdhury > Fedora Ambassador > sherry151 at gmail.com > Nice work , Appreciate the pain taken and the student response . > > -- Regards Subhodip Biswas GPG key : FAEA34AB Server : pgp.mit.edu http://subhodipbiswas.wordpress.com http:/www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/SubhodipBiswas From fugolini at fedoraproject.org Tue Feb 24 20:43:41 2009 From: fugolini at fedoraproject.org (Francesco Ugolini) Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2009 21:43:41 +0100 Subject: [Ambassadors] Inactive Ambassadors Proposal - FAmSCo answer Message-ID: Your voice is a real precious one and FAmSCo is really interested in knowing what you think about this topic and the other interesting connected discussions. This discussion clearly show us the different POVs that each person has. For a variety of reason everyone here explained clearly and with good argumentations his/her reasons: this demonstrated how deep is your interest in the project and the real passion you have. Now it's time to take a decision, the most reasonable and the best one for the project but, firstly, for all Ambassadors, especially the active ones. FAmSCo had a discussion during its last meeting and in its list, finally we all agreed to work on a clean up of the wiki page, as described in the first mail on this thread [1]. Also, we will stay in touch with Local Contacts and, absolutely, with the community, tracking the evolution of all the concerns moved and, if needed, taking action on those one. I think this discussion helped each other to face one of the most complicated and difficult discussion, your words were as useful as precious for the future of this project (even if you could see the effects in the short time). [1] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-ambassadors-list/2009-February/msg00279.html Best regards Francesco Ugolini From francesco at ephisia.org Tue Feb 24 21:13:37 2009 From: francesco at ephisia.org (Francesco Ugolini) Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2009 22:13:37 +0100 Subject: [Ambassadors] Responding to emails, within this list? In-Reply-To: <499ED115.5070907@fedoraproject.org> References: <499EA4B2.2010409@fedoraproject.org> <2d319b780902200446u4ad24b71mf1e88f507599903d@mail.gmail.com> <20090220145146.GC20305@localhost.localdomain> <499ED115.5070907@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: On Fri, Feb 20, 2009 at 4:49 PM, Frank Murphy wrote: > > Then how about a link to the guidelines on each signup page > eg: > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list > > place a link prominantly on it\them > Maybe this could be discussed further at the relevant list(Docs)? > > Frank > Is not possible to do this directly from the About section of the Mailing List Page ? If you was referring to that section of the page, at least for Ambassadors List, I could try to add it, naturally, if there is the guidelines link :) Regards Francesco Ugolini From karlie_robinson at webpath.net Tue Feb 24 21:16:50 2009 From: karlie_robinson at webpath.net (Karlie Robinson) Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2009 16:16:50 -0500 Subject: [Ambassadors] Ed Tech Day Ithaca College in NY Message-ID: <49A463C2.2000700@webpath.net> Forgive the cross posting as this is sort of crossing over between an Ambassador Event and an OLPC SIG item. I just got off the phone with EdTech Day[1] organizers at Ithaca College and they will be giving me a speakers slot in their program to talk about the XO - after all you can't get much more edtech than that. I want the focus to be on what I know about - obviously - Fedora/OLPC together in harmony and changing the world one line of code at a time - specifically what's going on today at Fedora to propel the OLPC Mission. So most likely 4th grade math curriculum and the massive amount of work being done regarding packages. More importantly, this is your opportunity to fill me full of talking points. Of course I'm happy to wing it, but I'd really love it if you could tell me more about what's important to you. If you were giving the talk, what should be said? ~Karlie [1] http://www.ithaca.edu/edtechday/ From gdk at redhat.com Tue Feb 24 21:29:30 2009 From: gdk at redhat.com (Greg Dekoenigsberg) Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2009 16:29:30 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Ambassadors] Re: Ed Tech Day Ithaca College in NY In-Reply-To: <49A463C2.2000700@webpath.net> References: <49A463C2.2000700@webpath.net> Message-ID: On Tue, 24 Feb 2009, Karlie Robinson wrote: > Forgive the cross posting as this is sort of crossing over between an > Ambassador Event and an OLPC SIG item. > I just got off the phone with EdTech Day[1] organizers at Ithaca College and > they will be giving me a speakers slot in their program to talk about the XO > - after all you can't get much more edtech than that. > I want the focus to be on what I know about - obviously - Fedora/OLPC > together in harmony and changing the world one line of code at a time - > specifically what's going on today at Fedora to propel the OLPC Mission. So > most likely 4th grade math curriculum and the massive amount of work being > done regarding packages. > More importantly, this is your opportunity to fill me full of talking points. > Of course I'm happy to wing it, but I'd really love it if you could tell me > more about what's important to you. If you were giving the talk, what should > be said? > ~Karlie > > [1] http://www.ithaca.edu/edtechday/ Make sure that you have read "Disrupting Class", and then encourage attendees to think about how the principles therein -- disruptive technology, serving underserved markets like poor rural school districts, etc. -- dovetail with the unique value-adds provided by a Free Culture approach. Get people to think about the following problem: what if, instead of Addison-Wesley producing dozens of 4th grade math textbooks, a community of educators could get together to produce one single electronic 4th grade textbook? Solving this problem unlocks a whole world. Encourage people to think *deeply* about the ramifications of this. Man, I need to videotape the talk I gave at FOSDEM. --g -- Got an XO that you're not using? Loan it to a needy developer! [[ http://wiki.laptop.org/go/XO_Exchange_Registry ]] From linux.rafa at gmail.com Tue Feb 24 21:50:29 2009 From: linux.rafa at gmail.com (Rafael Gomes) Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2009 18:50:29 -0300 Subject: [Ambassadors] Fedora Talk In-Reply-To: References: <7256ccd50901291833p6af7d805p3f104f19f2a47ac0@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <7256ccd50902241350q2284fc6ma345eb4df5404bbe@mail.gmail.com> I participate of localization project. I just wanna know documents about this config. Thanks Iuri and Francesco. Rafael Gomes Consultor em TI Embaixador Fedora LPIC-1 (71) 8146-5772 Fedora Talk : 5103520 On Fri, Jan 30, 2009 at 4:10 PM, Francesco Ugolini wrote: > 2009/1/30 Rafael Gomes : > > Hi Guys, > > > > I translated the website talk.fedoraproject for brazilian portuguese and > I > > am interested to use this project in Brazil. > > > I configured twinkle and ekiga and it is very easy, I think. 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Unfortunately, I don't, hence the call out. -- Harish Pillay 9v1hp hpillay at redhat.com +65.9636.9253 gpg id: 746809E3 gpg fingerprint: F7F5 5CCD 25B9 FC25 303E 3DA2 0F80 27DB 7468 09E3 From pablobarrera at proyectofedora.org Wed Feb 25 12:46:05 2009 From: pablobarrera at proyectofedora.org (Pablo Barrera) Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 10:46:05 -0200 Subject: [Ambassadors] Equivalent document for Fedora In-Reply-To: <49A4BA3D.1050102@redhat.com> References: <49A413CB.9050805@redhat.com> <49A4BA73.6070301@fedoraproject.org> <49A4BA3D.1050102@redhat.com> Message-ID: <1235565965.2924.11.camel@localhost.localdomain> Hi all > Unfortunately, I don't, hence the call out. > Theres no need to use the same concept. Here in Argentina in 2007 we printed a mazagine with starting points to Fedora installation. I think that a "begginers guide" printed with resources, could be enough. No need to ask permission for a "concept". Namaste P. From skyscanner4u at gmail.com Wed Feb 25 13:10:39 2009 From: skyscanner4u at gmail.com (CODE BRE@KER) Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 18:10:39 +0500 Subject: [Ambassadors] Fedora Ambassadors Welcome In-Reply-To: <200902242101.32414.jsimon@fedoraproject.org> References: <200902242101.32414.jsimon@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <5771a5af0902250510h67459173ube5664c8310e706d@mail.gmail.com> Wellcome to the Fedora world 2009/2/25 JoergSimon > Dear Ambassadors, > > let?s welcome our new sponsored Ambassador Group Members: > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Jrobertomercadog from Mexico > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Theamoeba from SouthAfrica > > Regards Joerg > p.s. Please do not send private "Welcome" Messages to Ambassador List > -- > Joerg (kital) Simon > jsimon at fedoraproject.org > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/JoergSimon > http://kitall.blogspot.com > Key Fingerprint: > 3691 0989 2DCA 58A2 8D1F 2CAC C823 558E 5B5B 5688 > > > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > > -- C0DE BRE at KER -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mspevack at redhat.com Wed Feb 25 14:04:36 2009 From: mspevack at redhat.com (Max Spevack) Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 15:04:36 +0100 (CET) Subject: [Ambassadors] Active or Inactive In-Reply-To: <49A253D7.1090408@nerdshack.com> References: <49A253D7.1090408@nerdshack.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 23 Feb 2009, Satyajit wrote: > I have been an ambassador for Fedora for the past one year. During > this time I have promoted fedora by conducting seminars and talking to > people about fedora. I have also provided many of them with fedora > live discs and installed it on their usbs. Now I have not been active > on the irc or the mailing list. Yet I am very passionate about fedora > and have been using it since fedora core 4. Does my stand make me an > inactive ambassador or an active one? I think your email answers your own question, by virtue of the fact that you (a) read the mailing list, (b) wrote the email, and (c) promote Fedora and help introduce people to it. Sounds pretty active to me :) --Max From saadsaidi at gmail.com Wed Feb 25 14:09:52 2009 From: saadsaidi at gmail.com (SaadAldine AlSaidi) Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 16:09:52 +0200 Subject: [Ambassadors] Active or Inactive In-Reply-To: References: <49A253D7.1090408@nerdshack.com> Message-ID: <1ee8c4800902250609v321e0f81j39252541f519eeab@mail.gmail.com> How can one be evaluated as active and inactive? IRC meetings are always in conflict with my schedule..... On Wed, Feb 25, 2009 at 4:04 PM, Max Spevack wrote: > On Mon, 23 Feb 2009, Satyajit wrote: > > I have been an ambassador for Fedora for the past one year. During this >> time I have promoted fedora by conducting seminars and talking to people >> about fedora. I have also provided many of them with fedora live discs and >> installed it on their usbs. Now I have not been active on the irc or the >> mailing list. Yet I am very passionate about fedora and have been using it >> since fedora core 4. Does my stand make me an inactive ambassador or an >> active one? >> > > I think your email answers your own question, by virtue of the fact that > you (a) read the mailing list, (b) wrote the email, and (c) promote Fedora > and help introduce people to it. > > Sounds pretty active to me :) > > --Max > > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > -- Saadaldine AlSaidi IT Manager AlShora International Tayyouneh Rotary Old Saida Road - Princess Buldg. Beirut - Lebanon Tel: +961 1 391140 Fax: +961 1 381140 Mob: +961 3 934285 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Yet I am > very passionate about fedora and have been using it since fedora > core 4. Does my stand make me an inactive ambassador or an > active one? > > > I think your email answers your own question, by virtue of the fact > that you (a) read the mailing list, (b) wrote the email, and (c) > promote Fedora and help introduce people to it. > > Sounds pretty active to me :) > > --Max > > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > > > > > -- > Saadaldine AlSaidi > > IT Manager > AlShora International > Tayyouneh Rotary > Old Saida Road - Princess Buldg. > Beirut - Lebanon > Tel: +961 1 391140 > Fax: +961 1 381140 > Mob: +961 3 934285 > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list I think Max said it all previously, you've read the mailing list, responded therefor you're [at this current time] active :) Paul From b.okal at jacobs-university.de Wed Feb 25 14:23:00 2009 From: b.okal at jacobs-university.de (Billy Okal) Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 15:23:00 +0100 Subject: [Ambassadors] Active or Inactive In-Reply-To: <49A552FA.7020409@paulmellors.net> References: <49A253D7.1090408@nerdshack.com> <1ee8c4800902250609v321e0f81j39252541f519eeab@mail.gmail.com> <49A552FA.7020409@paulmellors.net> Message-ID: <1235571780.6923.3.camel@makokal-tower> What about those who attend meetings in IRC but don't necessarily respond to all emails because of some commitments On Wed, 2009-02-25 at 14:17 +0000, Paul Mellors wrote: > SaadAldine AlSaidi wrote: > > How can one be evaluated as active and inactive? > > IRC meetings are always in conflict with my schedule..... > > > > > > On Wed, Feb 25, 2009 at 4:04 PM, Max Spevack > > wrote: > > > > On Mon, 23 Feb 2009, Satyajit wrote: > > > > I have been an ambassador for Fedora for the past one year. > > During this time I have promoted fedora by conducting seminars > > and talking to people about fedora. I have also provided many of > > them with fedora live discs and installed it on their usbs. Now > > I have not been active on the irc or the mailing list. Yet I am > > very passionate about fedora and have been using it since fedora > > core 4. Does my stand make me an inactive ambassador or an > > active one? > > > > > > I think your email answers your own question, by virtue of the fact > > that you (a) read the mailing list, (b) wrote the email, and (c) > > promote Fedora and help introduce people to it. > > > > Sounds pretty active to me :) > > > > --Max > > > > -- > > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > > > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Saadaldine AlSaidi > > > > IT Manager > > AlShora International > > Tayyouneh Rotary > > Old Saida Road - Princess Buldg. > > Beirut - Lebanon > > Tel: +961 1 391140 > > Fax: +961 1 381140 > > Mob: +961 3 934285 > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > -- > > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > > I think Max said it all previously, you've read the mailing list, > responded therefor you're [at this current time] active :) > > Paul > > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list ________________________________________________________________________ Billy Okal Jacobs University Bremen, Electrical Engineering and Computer Science(EECS), College Ring 6, Mailbox # 387 Room: Ext 5389, Mobile: +49 176 890 42726 ________________________________________________________________________ From christoph.wickert at googlemail.com Wed Feb 25 14:23:29 2009 From: christoph.wickert at googlemail.com (Christoph Wickert) Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 15:23:29 +0100 Subject: [Ambassadors] Fedora Ambassadors Welcome In-Reply-To: <5771a5af0902250510h67459173ube5664c8310e706d@mail.gmail.com> References: <200902242101.32414.jsimon@fedoraproject.org> <5771a5af0902250510h67459173ube5664c8310e706d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1235571809.3511.12.camel@localhost.localdomain> Am Mittwoch, den 25.02.2009, 18:10 +0500 schrieb CODE BRE at KER: > Wellcome to the Fedora world > Please be so kind as - not to use HTML and - not to top-post with full quotes. For more info please read https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines If you have any questions, don't hesitate to contact me. Regards, Christoph From paul at paulmellors.net Wed Feb 25 14:25:40 2009 From: paul at paulmellors.net (Paul Mellors) Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 14:25:40 +0000 Subject: [Ambassadors] Active or Inactive In-Reply-To: <1235571780.6923.3.camel@makokal-tower> References: <49A253D7.1090408@nerdshack.com> <1ee8c4800902250609v321e0f81j39252541f519eeab@mail.gmail.com> <49A552FA.7020409@paulmellors.net> <1235571780.6923.3.camel@makokal-tower> Message-ID: <49A554E4.1020308@paulmellors.net> Billy Okal wrote: > What about those who attend meetings in IRC but don't necessarily > respond to all emails because of some commitments > > On Wed, 2009-02-25 at 14:17 +0000, Paul Mellors wrote: >> SaadAldine AlSaidi wrote: >>> How can one be evaluated as active and inactive? >>> IRC meetings are always in conflict with my schedule..... >>> >>> >>> On Wed, Feb 25, 2009 at 4:04 PM, Max Spevack >> > wrote: >>> >>> On Mon, 23 Feb 2009, Satyajit wrote: >>> >>> I have been an ambassador for Fedora for the past one year. >>> During this time I have promoted fedora by conducting seminars >>> and talking to people about fedora. I have also provided many of >>> them with fedora live discs and installed it on their usbs. Now >>> I have not been active on the irc or the mailing list. Yet I am >>> very passionate about fedora and have been using it since fedora >>> core 4. Does my stand make me an inactive ambassador or an >>> active one? >>> >>> >>> I think your email answers your own question, by virtue of the fact >>> that you (a) read the mailing list, (b) wrote the email, and (c) >>> promote Fedora and help introduce people to it. >>> >>> Sounds pretty active to me :) >>> >>> --Max >>> >>> -- >>> Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list >>> Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com >>> >>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Saadaldine AlSaidi >>> >>> IT Manager >>> AlShora International >>> Tayyouneh Rotary >>> Old Saida Road - Princess Buldg. >>> Beirut - Lebanon >>> Tel: +961 1 391140 >>> Fax: +961 1 381140 >>> Mob: +961 3 934285 >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>> >>> -- >>> Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list >>> Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com >>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list >> I think Max said it all previously, you've read the mailing list, >> responded therefor you're [at this current time] active :) >> >> Paul >> >> -- >> Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list >> Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > > > Forgive me if i'm wrong as this thread has been going on for AGGGGGGEEEES :) if you use IRC, read the mailing list, tell a mate about Fedora, mention Fedora in passing to your mum or dad then you're active? Just my 20p :) Paul From christoph.wickert at googlemail.com Wed Feb 25 14:25:47 2009 From: christoph.wickert at googlemail.com (Christoph Wickert) Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 15:25:47 +0100 Subject: [Ambassadors] Fedora Ambassadors Welcome In-Reply-To: <1235571809.3511.12.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <200902242101.32414.jsimon@fedoraproject.org> <5771a5af0902250510h67459173ube5664c8310e706d@mail.gmail.com> <1235571809.3511.12.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1235571947.3511.14.camel@localhost.localdomain> Am Mittwoch, den 25.02.2009, 15:23 +0100 schrieb Christoph Wickert: > [...] Sorry, this wasn't supposed to go out to the list but only to Code Bre at ker. Perhaps it's useful as a template for other people... Sorry for the noise, Christoph From saadsaidi at gmail.com Wed Feb 25 14:26:12 2009 From: saadsaidi at gmail.com (SaadAldine AlSaidi) Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 16:26:12 +0200 Subject: [Ambassadors] Active or Inactive In-Reply-To: <1235571780.6923.3.camel@makokal-tower> References: <49A253D7.1090408@nerdshack.com> <1ee8c4800902250609v321e0f81j39252541f519eeab@mail.gmail.com> <49A552FA.7020409@paulmellors.net> <1235571780.6923.3.camel@makokal-tower> Message-ID: <1ee8c4800902250626q30d40b86m57b8dbb421319408@mail.gmail.com> Then they are active. I guess being active is at least to participate in any or all activities related to the fedora ambassador program. On Wed, Feb 25, 2009 at 4:23 PM, Billy Okal wrote: > What about those who attend meetings in IRC but don't necessarily > respond to all emails because of some commitments > > On Wed, 2009-02-25 at 14:17 +0000, Paul Mellors wrote: > > SaadAldine AlSaidi wrote: > > > How can one be evaluated as active and inactive? > > > IRC meetings are always in conflict with my schedule..... > > > > > > > > > On Wed, Feb 25, 2009 at 4:04 PM, Max Spevack > > > wrote: > > > > > > On Mon, 23 Feb 2009, Satyajit wrote: > > > > > > I have been an ambassador for Fedora for the past one year. > > > During this time I have promoted fedora by conducting seminars > > > and talking to people about fedora. I have also provided many > of > > > them with fedora live discs and installed it on their usbs. Now > > > I have not been active on the irc or the mailing list. Yet I am > > > very passionate about fedora and have been using it since > fedora > > > core 4. Does my stand make me an inactive ambassador or an > > > active one? > > > > > > > > > I think your email answers your own question, by virtue of the fact > > > that you (a) read the mailing list, (b) wrote the email, and (c) > > > promote Fedora and help introduce people to it. > > > > > > Sounds pretty active to me :) > > > > > > --Max > > > > > > -- > > > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > > > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > > > > > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Saadaldine AlSaidi > > > > > > IT Manager > > > AlShora International > > > Tayyouneh Rotary > > > Old Saida Road - Princess Buldg. > > > Beirut - Lebanon > > > Tel: +961 1 391140 > > > Fax: +961 1 381140 > > > Mob: +961 3 934285 > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > > > -- > > > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > > > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > > > > I think Max said it all previously, you've read the mailing list, > > responded therefor you're [at this current time] active :) > > > > Paul > > > > -- > > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > > > > > Billy Okal > Jacobs University Bremen, > Electrical Engineering and Computer Science(EECS), > College Ring 6, Mailbox # 387 > Room: Ext 5389, Mobile: +49 176 890 42726 > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > > > > > > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > -- Saadaldine AlSaidi IT Manager AlShora International Tayyouneh Rotary Old Saida Road - Princess Buldg. 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There are many ways to contribute: promoting fedora in your city, talk with people who could became possible contributors and so on, join events etc. There isn't a powerful meter than ourselves :) For the "inactive/active mailing list discussion" see FAmSCo answer at: https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-ambassadors-list/2009-February/msg00448.html Regards Francesco Ugolini From skyscanner4u at gmail.com Wed Feb 25 14:32:15 2009 From: skyscanner4u at gmail.com (CODE BRE@KER) Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 19:32:15 +0500 Subject: [Ambassadors] Fedora Ambassadors Welcome In-Reply-To: <1235571947.3511.14.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <200902242101.32414.jsimon@fedoraproject.org> <5771a5af0902250510h67459173ube5664c8310e706d@mail.gmail.com> <1235571809.3511.12.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1235571947.3511.14.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <5771a5af0902250632k50547c5cs580e5dc9b56316c4@mail.gmail.com> Christoph may i ask what was that, which you mentioned...........if you dont mind to tell me.. On Wed, Feb 25, 2009 at 7:25 PM, Christoph Wickert < christoph.wickert at googlemail.com> wrote: > Am Mittwoch, den 25.02.2009, 15:23 +0100 schrieb Christoph Wickert: > > [...] > > Sorry, this wasn't supposed to go out to the list but only to Code > Bre at ker. Perhaps it's useful as a template for other people... > > Sorry for the noise, > Christoph > > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > -- C0DE BRE at KER -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From sparshme5 at gmail.com Wed Feb 25 14:33:18 2009 From: sparshme5 at gmail.com (gaurav taywade) Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 20:03:18 +0530 Subject: [Ambassadors] Re: F10 Install Fest and Introductory talk on Linux/FOSS at VIT pune.. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: testing to see if my event report emails now reach the list On Mon, Feb 23, 2009 at 1:39 AM, gaurav taywade wrote: > > F10 Install Fest and Introductory talk on Linux/FOSS. > > Date: Tuesday, the 6th of January '09. > > Venue : Computer Department ,Vishwakarma Institute of > technology,Pune,Maharastra > > By : Vishwakarma Institute Pune, Linux Users' Group (VIPLUG) in association > with Concept systems ,pune > > Head Count : 140 > > Media Distributed : 50 (appx.) [20 Fedora 10(32 bit) DVDs, 5 Fedora 10 (64 > bit) DVD and 25 cds of other linux distribution were distributed] and now we > are providing F10 DVD for every college student who register himself on our > website http://viplug.weebly.com. > > Feedback : A huge success, and we got 110 registration for our next event > (i.e. 3 days workshop)that is going to happen in last week of april'09. > > > Our program started at 3.30pm, 1st our invited speaker Miss. Netra explained > about the linux/FOSS,its advantages/disadvantages ,Future of Linux,etc. > > After half an hour our next speaker gave some brief introduction about the > linux kernel and then he showed live installation of Fedora 10 on > projector.at around 5oclock we finished with installation and then we > started the session of question and answers. > > At around 6.15 we finished the program. > > Due to my exam schedule I didn't get time to write this report. Sorry for > late. > > > > > Regards, > > > Gaurav Taywade > > Vishwakarma Institute Pune, Linux Users' Group > > > -- Gaurav Taywade +99606-20260 Regd. Linux User : #412097 Ubuntu User : # 24271 Secondary mail:sparshme5 at rediffmail.com Web:- http://sparshme5.googlepages.com http://ambanagari.googlepages.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Luca -- Today is Sweetmorn, the 56th day of Chaos in the YOLD 3175 In war, truth is the first casualty. -- U Thant From linux at glossolalie.org Wed Feb 25 14:43:20 2009 From: linux at glossolalie.org (Thierry Sayegh De Bellis) Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 15:43:20 +0100 Subject: [Ambassadors] Fedora Ambassadors Welcome In-Reply-To: <1235572587.19061.2379.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <200902242101.32414.jsimon@fedoraproject.org> <5771a5af0902250510h67459173ube5664c8310e706d@mail.gmail.com> <1235571809.3511.12.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1235572587.19061.2379.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <49A55908.4030001@glossolalie.org> > uhm I didn't know there are guidelines about MailingList... > I think a lot of people here need to read that page, I mean all the > things about quoting. > > Just read the thread about inactive Ambassadors... > > Luca that link is at the bottom of every single fedora-list email though :) From mspevack at redhat.com Wed Feb 25 15:07:31 2009 From: mspevack at redhat.com (Max Spevack) Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 16:07:31 +0100 (CET) Subject: [Ambassadors] Active or Inactive In-Reply-To: <49A554E4.1020308@paulmellors.net> References: <49A253D7.1090408@nerdshack.com> <1ee8c4800902250609v321e0f81j39252541f519eeab@mail.gmail.com> <49A552FA.7020409@paulmellors.net> <1235571780.6923.3.camel@makokal-tower> <49A554E4.1020308@paulmellors.net> Message-ID: On Wed, 25 Feb 2009, Paul Mellors wrote: > Forgive me if i'm wrong as this thread has been going on for > AGGGGGGEEEES :) if you use IRC, read the mailing list, tell a mate > about Fedora, mention Fedora in passing to your mum or dad then you're > active? In my opinion, anyone who cares to read, think about, or respond to this ongoing thread is considered active :) --Max From linux at blogmethat.net Wed Feb 25 15:18:00 2009 From: linux at blogmethat.net (Andrew Jamison) Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 10:18:00 -0500 Subject: [Ambassadors] Re: F10 Install Fest and Introductory talk on Linux/FOSS at VIT pune.. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <49A56128.4010604@blogmethat.net> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 gaurav taywade wrote: > testing to see if my event report emails now reach the list > > On Mon, Feb 23, 2009 at 1:39 AM, gaurav taywade wrote: > >> F10 Install Fest and Introductory talk on Linux/FOSS. >> >> Date: Tuesday, the 6th of January '09. >> >> Venue : Computer Department ,Vishwakarma Institute of >> technology,Pune,Maharastra >> >> By : Vishwakarma Institute Pune, Linux Users' Group (VIPLUG) in association >> with Concept systems ,pune >> >> Head Count : 140 >> >> Media Distributed : 50 (appx.) [20 Fedora 10(32 bit) DVDs, 5 Fedora 10 (64 >> bit) DVD and 25 cds of other linux distribution were distributed] and now we >> are providing F10 DVD for every college student who register himself on our >> website http://viplug.weebly.com. >> >> Feedback : A huge success, and we got 110 registration for our next event >> (i.e. 3 days workshop)that is going to happen in last week of april'09. >> >> >> Our program started at 3.30pm, 1st our invited speaker Miss. Netra explained >> about the linux/FOSS,its advantages/disadvantages ,Future of Linux,etc. >> >> After half an hour our next speaker gave some brief introduction about the >> linux kernel and then he showed live installation of Fedora 10 on >> projector.at around 5oclock we finished with installation and then we >> started the session of question and answers. >> >> At around 6.15 we finished the program. >> >> Due to my exam schedule I didn't get time to write this report. Sorry for >> late. >> >> >> >> >> Regards, >> >> >> Gaurav Taywade >> >> Vishwakarma Institute Pune, Linux Users' Group >> >> >> > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list Test recieved -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iJwEAQECAAYFAkmlYScACgkQh7SjI2F18kOMOwP/a7bJJSUyPG/d9GmkqEr58SA5 VgAiXXKc33Fu69thSGKmKutv4pQzD07H28GrtQrvO/cy0LvEQeYpNSEJUIie5r1Q et/ibYrPf6gXhFEMymLF0Is5BKejDHf4lcv3DcsO4n24moeUNiOPeZE98RWVIvLj le3E3rhAB3vy7m/NnCs= =ur83 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From mspevack at redhat.com Wed Feb 25 15:23:37 2009 From: mspevack at redhat.com (Max Spevack) Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 16:23:37 +0100 (CET) Subject: [Ambassadors] Re: Organize NA and EMEA IRC meeting In-Reply-To: <96365e610902160955j26137234pad894c9133ce44c2@mail.gmail.com> References: <49991C06.7060501@fedoraproject.org> <96365e610902160955j26137234pad894c9133ce44c2@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: > What about Wednesday 25th at 18.00 UTC? Is this happening today? For whenever it does happen, here are some topics I think are worth discussing. Maybe it's better to have these discussions over email, so that we can have some threads with more substance than "active or inactive". (1) Where is work being duplicated between teams? In the places where it is, is that duplication necessary, or redundant? IMHO, I think that most of the duplicated work is necessary due to geographical problems. (2) What's the relationship with Red Hat like in both regions? Where can we get better support? What do you need that you aren't getting? (3) Do people feel like they have enough resources? How do we deal with the challenge of having more events than we can possibly fund properly, and therefore having to prioritize some events over others, without hurting the feelings of individual event owners? (4) What are the problems we are currently trying to solve in each region, and how are we going about doing it? (5) Is FAMSCO giving you what you need? --Max From sinkopas at gmail.com Wed Feb 25 15:25:59 2009 From: sinkopas at gmail.com (_oSkAr_ B) Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 11:25:59 -0400 Subject: [Ambassadors] Active or Inactive In-Reply-To: References: <49A253D7.1090408@nerdshack.com> <1ee8c4800902250609v321e0f81j39252541f519eeab@mail.gmail.com> <49A552FA.7020409@paulmellors.net> <1235571780.6923.3.camel@makokal-tower> <49A554E4.1020308@paulmellors.net> Message-ID: > > "Forgive me if i'm wrong as this thread has been going on for AGGGGGGEEEES >> :) if you use IRC, read the mailing list, tell a mate about Fedora, mention >> Fedora in passing to your mum or dad then you're active? >> > > In my opinion, anyone who cares to read, think about, or respond to this > ongoing thread is considered active :) > > --Max" > > You are right, I have been following this thread and there has been a lot > of proposals for considering someone active or not, or to take inactive ones > out from here. 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URL: From linux at blogmethat.net Wed Feb 25 15:33:47 2009 From: linux at blogmethat.net (Andrew Jamison) Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 10:33:47 -0500 Subject: [Ambassadors] Interesting fact Message-ID: <49A564DB.4090407@blogmethat.net> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hello fellow ambassadors, I am not responsible for this being this way so do not give me credit for it but I was looking at my classes for degree and found that one of my classes in my networking administration degree used to have Fedora as a requirement to pass the class :) Update: It appears after revisiting it that said requirement was changed from Fedora to "a linux distribution" Implying that any will do. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iJwEAQECAAYFAkmlZNsACgkQh7SjI2F18kPztQQAqN2Dp2ymcHShoSmWl4VBYgZd qm+jjbufUnAM9q7VJIZEiP4XnAyWoLWJYWkr/euxG59en8Jrx230NDxUOXXTmjcc J5PVKj3oyRrzyPRZE9kO4khLLUrOgiHayQL76HEZ4Mez84qRrXdbGs31adl0UtIJ P/xbU9PsCTubh1dCGXI= =AlXd -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From francesco at ephisia.org Wed Feb 25 15:39:22 2009 From: francesco at ephisia.org (Francesco Ugolini) Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 16:39:22 +0100 Subject: [Ambassadors] Re: Organize NA and EMEA IRC meeting In-Reply-To: References: <49991C06.7060501@fedoraproject.org> <96365e610902160955j26137234pad894c9133ce44c2@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Wed, Feb 25, 2009 at 4:23 PM, Max Spevack wrote: >> What about Wednesday 25th at 18.00 UTC? > > Is this happening today? It was a question after reviewing many possibility. BTW, if people could be there today, I'll be there. If not, I'll add in my agenda next Wednesday as meeting time and I'll send all the reminders. (see below, at the end of the email) I'm sorry but the discussion we had in this list took most of my time and I didn't notice we were near to this deadline (wed 25th). Don't worry, if it couldn't be today, it would be the next week :) Regards Francesco Ugolini > For whenever it does happen, here are some topics I think are worth > discussing. ?Maybe it's better to have these discussions over email, so that > we can have some threads with more substance than "active or inactive". I agree completely with you. I think it should be a good start to have this question answered by people. > (1) Where is work being duplicated between teams? ?In the places where it > is, is that duplication necessary, or redundant? ?IMHO, I think that most of > the duplicated work is necessary due to geographical problems. > > (2) What's the relationship with Red Hat like in both regions? ?Where can we > get better support? ?What do you need that you aren't getting? > > (3) Do people feel like they have enough resources? ?How do we deal with the > challenge of having more events than we can possibly fund properly, and > therefore having to prioritize some events over others, without hurting the > feelings of individual event owners? > > (4) What are the problems we are currently trying to solve in each region, > and how are we going about doing it? > > (5) Is FAMSCO giving you what you need? So, if you agree with me, we should postpone the meeting next week after all of those questions will be reviewed/thought. Is this ok? Thank you Max for these good points. Regards Francesco Ugolini From mspevack at redhat.com Wed Feb 25 15:41:38 2009 From: mspevack at redhat.com (Max Spevack) Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 16:41:38 +0100 (CET) Subject: [Ambassadors] Re: inactive ambassadors, a proposed solution In-Reply-To: References: <57350.39142.qm@web95106.mail.in2.yahoo.com> <002401c99398$56115ba0$023412e0$@com.br> <499F3F06.8060702@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 20 Feb 2009, inode0 wrote: > I propose we do the following now. > > (1) Stop further discussion of putting labels of active and inactive > on ambassadors. We are all Fedora ambassadors, let's leave it at that. > > (2) Work with FAmSCo to solve the actual problem that began this > discussion and create an effective way for our community to contact > ambassadors and for the non-Fedora community to contact us. This can > be done without creating any new bureaucracy that burdens Fedora > ambassadors. Several reasonable suggestions that accomplish this have > already been offered for consideration. There are many many different ways to be a Fedora Ambassador. It is not for me to tell anyone "you are" or "you are not". This is the first time I ever even bothered to respond to this thread, and now I regret writing the first email. ============= The ACTUAL PROBLEM that we need to solve is making sure that we have a list of Ambassadors in different countries who choose to commit that THEIR CONTRIBUTION to Fedora Ambassadors is being a point of contact on email or irc for users and potential contributors in their country who might have questions. Solving THAT PROBLEM is why I think we need to do a better job of automating and advertising a list of Ambassadors per country. Some people are great at organizing events. Some people are great at distributing CDs. Some people are great at answering newbie questions. Not everybody wants to do all of those things. Everyone needs to first recognize that it is OK to specialize, and also needs to recognize that no one is "more" or "less" of an Ambassador, only different. ============= I have nothing left to add to this thread. I feel like I have done a poor job of explaining myself, and that everything I say just makes it worse, so I'm going to go back to worrying about things like budget and FUDCon, where the world makes sense :) --Max From francesco at ephisia.org Wed Feb 25 15:41:26 2009 From: francesco at ephisia.org (Francesco Ugolini) Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 16:41:26 +0100 Subject: [Ambassadors] Interesting fact In-Reply-To: <49A564DB.4090407@blogmethat.net> References: <49A564DB.4090407@blogmethat.net> Message-ID: On Wed, Feb 25, 2009 at 4:33 PM, Andrew Jamison wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Hello fellow ambassadors, > I am not responsible for this being this way so do not give me credit > for it but I was looking at my classes for degree and found that one of > my classes in my networking administration degree used to have Fedora as > a requirement to pass the class :) Great news. > Update: It appears after revisiting it that said requirement was changed > from Fedora to "a linux distribution" Implying that any will do. No problem. I think you could promote Fedora in your class, maybe distributing media or just show people how powerful is Fedora. Regards Francesco Ugolini From linux at blogmethat.net Wed Feb 25 15:43:45 2009 From: linux at blogmethat.net (Andrew Jamison) Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 10:43:45 -0500 Subject: [Ambassadors] Interesting fact In-Reply-To: References: <49A564DB.4090407@blogmethat.net> Message-ID: <49A56731.9000308@blogmethat.net> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Francesco Ugolini wrote: > On Wed, Feb 25, 2009 at 4:33 PM, Andrew Jamison wrote: >> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >> Hash: SHA1 >> >> Hello fellow ambassadors, >> I am not responsible for this being this way so do not give me credit >> for it but I was looking at my classes for degree and found that one of >> my classes in my networking administration degree used to have Fedora as >> a requirement to pass the class :) > > Great news. > >> Update: It appears after revisiting it that said requirement was changed >> from Fedora to "a linux distribution" Implying that any will do. > > No problem. I think you could promote Fedora in your class, maybe > distributing media or just show people how powerful is Fedora. > > Regards > > Francesco Ugolini > > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list Yeah I plan to try and "Convert" the entire class. I hopefully will end up with more Fedorians as a result -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iJwEAQECAAYFAkmlZzEACgkQh7SjI2F18kOyuAQAjagdqsc4S10KnTstvpI2cf9I CSw6amszVJe7kZ5RwRN4FOXodLDjnbBlFCXHGqiZK7WVY3XiqyEjP1Jc/CxeXaDv 4jzt7WYxL1JYfOPAzP1lRAZsqc43G5Mkyny0zlwv0GGuXlIy2UsF7hJiKK5rpmf3 2/t3qSCG1iJPmgZmO4A= =LgOC -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From mspevack at redhat.com Wed Feb 25 15:45:58 2009 From: mspevack at redhat.com (Max Spevack) Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 16:45:58 +0100 (CET) Subject: [Ambassadors] Re: Organize NA and EMEA IRC meeting In-Reply-To: References: <49991C06.7060501@fedoraproject.org> <96365e610902160955j26137234pad894c9133ce44c2@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 25 Feb 2009, Francesco Ugolini wrote: > It was a question after reviewing many possibility. > > BTW, if people could be there today, I'll be there. > > If not, I'll add in my agenda next Wednesday as meeting time and I'll > send all the reminders. (see below, at the end of the email) > > I'm sorry but the discussion we had in this list took most of my time > and I didn't notice we were near to this deadline (wed 25th). > > Don't worry, if it couldn't be today, it would be the next week :) Well, let's put it this way. I will be hanging out in #fedora-ambassadors at 18:00 UTC (a little over 2 hours from right now). I'll be happy to talk to anyone else who shows up about anything they like :) --Max From mspevack at redhat.com Wed Feb 25 15:46:39 2009 From: mspevack at redhat.com (Max Spevack) Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 16:46:39 +0100 (CET) Subject: [Ambassadors] Re: Organize NA and EMEA IRC meeting In-Reply-To: References: <49991C06.7060501@fedoraproject.org> <96365e610902160955j26137234pad894c9133ce44c2@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 25 Feb 2009, Francesco Ugolini wrote: > I think it should be a good start to have this question answered by > people. > >> (1) Where is work being duplicated between teams? ?In the places >> where it is, is that duplication necessary, or redundant? ?IMHO, I >> think that most of the duplicated work is necessary due to >> geographical problems. >> >> (2) What's the relationship with Red Hat like in both regions? ?Where >> can we get better support? ?What do you need that you aren't getting? >> >> (3) Do people feel like they have enough resources? ?How do we deal >> with the challenge of having more events than we can possibly fund >> properly, and therefore having to prioritize some events over others, >> without hurting the feelings of individual event owners? >> >> (4) What are the problems we are currently trying to solve in each >> region, and how are we going about doing it? >> >> (5) Is FAMSCO giving you what you need? > > So, if you agree with me, we should postpone the meeting next week > after all of those questions will be reviewed/thought. I replied before I read this part of your email, but I think it will be interesting to see what various people think about these topics over the next few days. --Max From edh.drake at gmail.com Wed Feb 25 15:57:22 2009 From: edh.drake at gmail.com (ELIJAH HANSON) Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 15:57:22 +0000 Subject: [Ambassadors] Fedora Ambassadors Welcome In-Reply-To: <49A55908.4030001@glossolalie.org> References: <200902242101.32414.jsimon@fedoraproject.org> <5771a5af0902250510h67459173ube5664c8310e706d@mail.gmail.com> <1235571809.3511.12.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1235572587.19061.2379.camel@localhost.localdomain> <49A55908.4030001@glossolalie.org> Message-ID: Hi,Thierry You are welcome.Hugs On Wed, Feb 25, 2009 at 2:43 PM, Thierry Sayegh De Bellis < linux at glossolalie.org> wrote: > > uhm I didn't know there are guidelines about MailingList... >> I think a lot of people here need to read that page, I mean all the >> things about quoting. >> >> Just read the thread about inactive Ambassadors... >> >> Luca >> > that link is at the bottom of every single fedora-list email though > > :) > > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From karlie_robinson at webpath.net Wed Feb 25 16:13:51 2009 From: karlie_robinson at webpath.net (Karlie Robinson) Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 11:13:51 -0500 Subject: [Ambassadors] Re: Ed Tech Day Ithaca College in NY In-Reply-To: <5396c0d10902250159h4559cb2bw56a4541378a20b5c@mail.gmail.com> References: <49A463C2.2000700@webpath.net> <5396c0d10902250159h4559cb2bw56a4541378a20b5c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <49A56E3F.4080801@webpath.net> Samuel Klein wrote: > On Tue, Feb 24, 2009 at 4:29 PM, Greg Dekoenigsberg wrote: > >> Get people to think about the following problem: what if, instead of >> Addison-Wesley producing dozens of 4th grade math textbooks, a community of >> educators could get together to produce one single electronic 4th grade >> textbook? Solving this problem unlocks a whole world. Encourage people to >> think *deeply* about the ramifications of this. >> > > without seeing it, I'll second that. > > SJ > > Ok, so if you don't mind me borrowing this what about the presentation being titled - One Laptop Per Child - What if...? Synopsis - What if a community of educators could get together to produce one single electronic 4th grade textbook? Of course I'll cover history and mission of OLPC, but I'd like the talk to focus on the NA Ambassadors work on the 4th grade math curriculum. By then I also hope to have RIT on board and helping so I can show that it's not just a hypothetical. From inode0 at gmail.com Wed Feb 25 16:16:21 2009 From: inode0 at gmail.com (inode0) Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 10:16:21 -0600 Subject: [Ambassadors] 2009 Red Hat Summit Call for Papers Message-ID: As we work to organize a strong Fedora presence at the Red Hat Summit this September one thing I would like everyone to do now is submit a paper for consideration. The call for papers closes on March 9th. Details are available here: http://www.redhat.com/promo/summit/2009/ There are several tracks where talks about open source and Fedora in particular fit well into the conference program. If you are planning on attending please also take a minute to sign-up at https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Red_Hat_Summit_2009 so we can work together to make this a great event for the Fedora community. Thanks, John From herlo1 at gmail.com Wed Feb 25 17:19:52 2009 From: herlo1 at gmail.com (Clint Savage) Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 10:19:52 -0700 Subject: [Ambassadors] Re: Organize NA and EMEA IRC meeting In-Reply-To: References: <49991C06.7060501@fedoraproject.org> <96365e610902160955j26137234pad894c9133ce44c2@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: 2009/2/25 Max Spevack : > On Wed, 25 Feb 2009, Francesco Ugolini wrote: > >> I think it should be a good start to have this question answered by >> people. >> >>> (1) Where is work being duplicated between teams? ?In the places where it >>> is, is that duplication necessary, or redundant? ?IMHO, I think that most of >>> the duplicated work is necessary due to geographical problems. >>> >>> (2) What's the relationship with Red Hat like in both regions? ?Where can >>> we get better support? ?What do you need that you aren't getting? >>> >>> (3) Do people feel like they have enough resources? ?How do we deal with >>> the challenge of having more events than we can possibly fund properly, and >>> therefore having to prioritize some events over others, without hurting the >>> feelings of individual event owners? >>> >>> (4) What are the problems we are currently trying to solve in each >>> region, and how are we going about doing it? >>> >>> (5) Is FAMSCO giving you what you need? >> >> So, if you agree with me, we should postpone the meeting next week after >> all of those questions will be reviewed/thought. > > I replied before I read this part of your email, but I think it will be > interesting to see what various people think about these topics over the > next few days. > > --Max > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > > I'll be there for about 30 minutes. Clint From vonbrand at inf.utfsm.cl Wed Feb 25 19:55:01 2009 From: vonbrand at inf.utfsm.cl (Horst H. von Brand) Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 16:55:01 -0300 Subject: [Ambassadors] Active or Inactive In-Reply-To: References: <49A253D7.1090408@nerdshack.com> <1ee8c4800902250609v321e0f81j39252541f519eeab@mail.gmail.com> <49A552FA.7020409@paulmellors.net> <1235571780.6923.3.camel@makokal-tower> <49A554E4.1020308@paulmellors.net> Message-ID: <1490.1235591701@laptop14.inf.utfsm.cl> Max Spevack wrote: > On Wed, 25 Feb 2009, Paul Mellors wrote: > > > Forgive me if i'm wrong as this thread has been going on for > > AGGGGGGEEEES :) if you use IRC, read the mailing list, tell a mate > > about Fedora, mention Fedora in passing to your mum or dad then > > you're active? > > In my opinion, anyone who cares to read, think about, or respond to > this ongoing thread is considered active :) OK, I was holding back so as not to add to the noise, but if I'm required to do so.. ;-) -- Dr. Horst H. von Brand User #22616 counter.li.org Departamento de Informatica Fono: +56 32 2654431 Universidad Tecnica Federico Santa Maria +56 32 2654239 Casilla 110-V, Valparaiso, Chile 2340000 Fax: +56 32 2797513 From himam at fedoraproject.org Wed Feb 25 19:55:21 2009 From: himam at fedoraproject.org (Hisham Abdel-Magid) Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 22:55:21 +0300 Subject: [Ambassadors] Location of a FA ! Message-ID: <59e007ed0902251155r5e915abcw404354503f5f6789@mail.gmail.com> hello all ^_^ i have a Q... when i signed to join FA i used to live and work in my home country (Sudan), and i am the only FA there ... now i work in a different country (Qatar), in which it appears that there is no ambassador yet. ... so, my Q is: I do promote and assist about Fedora wherever i go and work, but where shall I count my self? Sudan or Qatar? .. am i a FA in both? .. if "Yes" i would be the "only" FA in either! .. if "No" then do i need to re-submit for FAS account with the other country?! ... i think i'm a bit confused :| ... (besides, i think those r more than one Q ^_^) ... any sort of advise would be really appreciated regards -- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- HishamAbdelMagid Fedora Ambassador in Sudan, -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hisham.imam at gmail.com Wed Feb 25 19:57:48 2009 From: hisham.imam at gmail.com (Hisham Abdel-Magid) Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 22:57:48 +0300 Subject: [Ambassadors] Active or Inactive In-Reply-To: <1490.1235591701@laptop14.inf.utfsm.cl> References: <49A253D7.1090408@nerdshack.com> <1ee8c4800902250609v321e0f81j39252541f519eeab@mail.gmail.com> <49A552FA.7020409@paulmellors.net> <1235571780.6923.3.camel@makokal-tower> <49A554E4.1020308@paulmellors.net> <1490.1235591701@laptop14.inf.utfsm.cl> Message-ID: <59e007ed0902251157j11bbd166j43a3e9514d880f69@mail.gmail.com> +1 to Horst ^_^ ~hisham On Wed, Feb 25, 2009 at 10:55 PM, Horst H. von Brand wrote: > Max Spevack wrote: > > On Wed, 25 Feb 2009, Paul Mellors wrote: > > > > > Forgive me if i'm wrong as this thread has been going on for > > > AGGGGGGEEEES :) if you use IRC, read the mailing list, tell a mate > > > about Fedora, mention Fedora in passing to your mum or dad then > > > you're active? > > > > In my opinion, anyone who cares to read, think about, or respond to > > this ongoing thread is considered active :) > > OK, I was holding back so as not to add to the noise, but if I'm > required to do so.. ;-) > -- > Dr. Horst H. von Brand User #22616 counter.li.org > Departamento de Informatica Fono: +56 32 2654431 > Universidad Tecnica Federico Santa Maria +56 32 2654239 > Casilla 110-V, Valparaiso, Chile 2340000 Fax: +56 32 2797513 > > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Eng. Hisham Isam M. Abdel-Magid Civil & Infrastructures Engineer Dar Al-Handasah Consultants (Shair and Partners) P.O.Box: 40358 Mobile: +974 5042547 - +974 5543080 E.mail: hisham.abdelmagid at dargroup.com Websites: www.dargroup.com - www.thepearlqatar.com Fedora Ambassador in Sudan, E.mail: himam at fedoraproject.org wiki: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/HishamAbdelMagid -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From francesco at ephisia.org Wed Feb 25 20:01:13 2009 From: francesco at ephisia.org (Francesco Ugolini) Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 21:01:13 +0100 Subject: [Ambassadors] Location of a FA ! In-Reply-To: <59e007ed0902251155r5e915abcw404354503f5f6789@mail.gmail.com> References: <59e007ed0902251155r5e915abcw404354503f5f6789@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: 2009/2/25 Hisham Abdel-Magid : > hello all ^_^ > > i have a Q... > > when i signed to join FA i used to live and work in my home country (Sudan), > and i am the only FA there ... now i work in a different country (Qatar), in > which it appears that there is no ambassador yet. ... > > so, my Q is: I do promote and assist about Fedora wherever i go and work, > but where shall I count my self? Sudan or Qatar? ..? am i a FA in both? .. > if "Yes" i would be the "only" FA in either! .. if "No" then do i need to > re-submit for FAS account with the other country?! ... > > i think i'm a bit confused :| ... (besides, i think those r more than one Q > ^_^) ... > > any sort of advise would be really appreciated > > regards > > -- > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > HishamAbdelMagid > > Fedora Ambassador in Sudan, > It doesn't matter where you leave, the most important thing is to work with people around you and let them know about Fedora. We use to divide ambassadors by Countries/Regions just because it could be easy to offer tools and coordinates activities. Keep in mind that wherever you are, you are a Fedora Ambassadors :) Regards Francesco Ugolini From mspevack at redhat.com Wed Feb 25 20:05:34 2009 From: mspevack at redhat.com (Max Spevack) Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 21:05:34 +0100 (CET) Subject: [Ambassadors] Active or Inactive In-Reply-To: <1490.1235591701@laptop14.inf.utfsm.cl> References: <49A253D7.1090408@nerdshack.com> <1ee8c4800902250609v321e0f81j39252541f519eeab@mail.gmail.com> <49A552FA.7020409@paulmellors.net> <1235571780.6923.3.camel@makokal-tower> <49A554E4.1020308@paulmellors.net> <1490.1235591701@laptop14.inf.utfsm.cl> Message-ID: On Wed, 25 Feb 2009, Horst H. von Brand wrote: >> In my opinion, anyone who cares to read, think about, or respond to >> this ongoing thread is considered active :) > > OK, I was holding back so as not to add to the noise, but if I'm > required to do so.. ;-) I did not mean that everyone should send an email to this thread! Personally I am hoping that all these "active" and "inactive" threads die soon :) From hisham.imam at gmail.com Wed Feb 25 20:12:45 2009 From: hisham.imam at gmail.com (Hisham Abdel-Magid) Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 23:12:45 +0300 Subject: [Ambassadors] Location of a FA ! In-Reply-To: References: <59e007ed0902251155r5e915abcw404354503f5f6789@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <59e007ed0902251212v1ac61b95v92dcda77cbf7030c@mail.gmail.com> thanx Francesco ^_^ so, does this mean that it is possible to add "Qatar" to the FA country list? regards ~hisham On Wed, Feb 25, 2009 at 11:01 PM, Francesco Ugolini wrote: > 2009/2/25 Hisham Abdel-Magid : > > hello all ^_^ > > > > i have a Q... > > > > when i signed to join FA i used to live and work in my home country > (Sudan), > > and i am the only FA there ... now i work in a different country (Qatar), > in > > which it appears that there is no ambassador yet. ... > > > > so, my Q is: I do promote and assist about Fedora wherever i go and work, > > but where shall I count my self? Sudan or Qatar? .. am i a FA in both? > .. > > if "Yes" i would be the "only" FA in either! .. if "No" then do i need to > > re-submit for FAS account with the other country?! ... > > > > i think i'm a bit confused :| ... 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URL: From francesco at ephisia.org Wed Feb 25 20:14:30 2009 From: francesco at ephisia.org (Francesco Ugolini) Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 21:14:30 +0100 Subject: [Ambassadors] Location of a FA ! In-Reply-To: <59e007ed0902251212v1ac61b95v92dcda77cbf7030c@mail.gmail.com> References: <59e007ed0902251155r5e915abcw404354503f5f6789@mail.gmail.com> <59e007ed0902251212v1ac61b95v92dcda77cbf7030c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: 2009/2/25 Hisham Abdel-Magid : > thanx?Francesco ^_^ > > so, does this mean that it is possible to add "Qatar" to the FA country > list? > > regards > > ~hisham > If you'll cover activities in quatar (any kind of fedora-related-activities), feel free to do this. Thank you for your interest and passion Regards Francesco Ugolini From red at fedoraproject.org Wed Feb 25 20:23:01 2009 From: red at fedoraproject.org (Sandro red Mathys ) Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 21:23:01 +0100 (CET) Subject: [Ambassadors] Location of a FA ! In-Reply-To: <59e007ed0902251155r5e915abcw404354503f5f6789@mail.gmail.com> References: <59e007ed0902251155r5e915abcw404354503f5f6789@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi, > when i signed to join FA i used to live and work in my home country > (Sudan), > and i am the only FA there ... now i work in a different country (Qatar), > in > which it appears that there is no ambassador yet. ... It's a pity that there are no ambassadors yet - but luckily, now you're an ambassador :) Thanks for helping us spread the word about Fedora where no-one else does so yet! > so, my Q is: I do promote and assist about Fedora wherever i go and work, > but where shall I count my self? Sudan or Qatar? .. am i a FA in both? .. > if "Yes" i would be the "only" FA in either! .. if "No" then do i need to > re-submit for FAS account with the other country?! ... You can be an ambassador in both, Sudan an Qatar. Normally, you take the role of an ambassador in the country you live and/or work or a country that is really nearby of your position (like 30min drive and you're there). But you are free where and in how many countries you are an ambassador. If you think you can help present Fedora in both countries, that's great! If you think you can only be active in the country you live now, that's fine. Your FAS account does not need to be re-submitted, it's not tied to the place you live or the original task it was created for (like being an ambassador in country XY). Even if one day you decide to no longer be an ambassador but you're active in another team (like translation or documentation), your FAS account keeps the same. > > i think i'm a bit confused :| ... (besides, i think those r more than one > Q I hope I was able to lift the confusion from you and give As to all your Qs. If you still have questions regarding this, feel free to reply and ask them to the list. Also, if you need any help on how to spread Fedora in your countries, ask the list! -- red From hernan.pachas at gmail.com Wed Feb 25 20:26:14 2009 From: hernan.pachas at gmail.com (Hernan Pachas) Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 15:26:14 -0500 Subject: [Ambassadors] Active or Inactive In-Reply-To: <1490.1235591701@laptop14.inf.utfsm.cl> References: <49A253D7.1090408@nerdshack.com> <1ee8c4800902250609v321e0f81j39252541f519eeab@mail.gmail.com> <49A552FA.7020409@paulmellors.net> <1235571780.6923.3.camel@makokal-tower> <49A554E4.1020308@paulmellors.net> <1490.1235591701@laptop14.inf.utfsm.cl> Message-ID: +1 > > > > In my opinion, anyone who cares to read, think about, or respond to > > this ongoing thread is considered active :) > > OK, I was holding back so as not to add to the noise, but if I'm > required to do so.. ;-) > -- > Dr. Horst H. von Brand User #22616 counter.li.org > Departamento de Informatica Fono: +56 32 2654431 > Universidad Tecnica Federico Santa Maria +56 32 2654239 > Casilla 110-V, Valparaiso, Chile 2340000 Fax: +56 32 2797513 > > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hisham.imam at gmail.com Wed Feb 25 20:29:47 2009 From: hisham.imam at gmail.com (Hisham Abdel-Magid) Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 23:29:47 +0300 Subject: [Ambassadors] Location of a FA ! In-Reply-To: References: <59e007ed0902251155r5e915abcw404354503f5f6789@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <59e007ed0902251229q32fde428w8dd868e7737a596c@mail.gmail.com> crystal clear :) thanx red ^_^ ~hisham On Wed, Feb 25, 2009 at 11:23 PM, Sandro red Mathys wrote: > Hi, > > > when i signed to join FA i used to live and work in my home country > > (Sudan), > > and i am the only FA there ... now i work in a different country (Qatar), > > in > > which it appears that there is no ambassador yet. ... > > It's a pity that there are no ambassadors yet - but luckily, now you're an > ambassador :) Thanks for helping us spread the word about Fedora where > no-one else does so yet! > > > so, my Q is: I do promote and assist about Fedora wherever i go and work, > > but where shall I count my self? Sudan or Qatar? .. am i a FA in both? > .. > > if "Yes" i would be the "only" FA in either! .. if "No" then do i need to > > re-submit for FAS account with the other country?! ... > > You can be an ambassador in both, Sudan an Qatar. Normally, you take the > role of an ambassador in the country you live and/or work or a country > that is really nearby of your position (like 30min drive and you're > there). But you are free where and in how many countries you are an > ambassador. If you think you can help present Fedora in both countries, > that's great! If you think you can only be active in the country you live > now, that's fine. > > Your FAS account does not need to be re-submitted, it's not tied to the > place you live or the original task it was created for (like being an > ambassador in country XY). 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Frields) Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 15:55:35 -0500 Subject: [Ambassadors] 2009 Red Hat Summit Call for Papers In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20090225205535.GC15592@localhost.localdomain> On Wed, Feb 25, 2009 at 10:16:21AM -0600, inode0 wrote: > As we work to organize a strong Fedora presence at the Red Hat Summit > this September one thing I would like everyone to do now is submit a > paper for consideration. The call for papers closes on March 9th. > Details are available here: > > http://www.redhat.com/promo/summit/2009/ > > There are several tracks where talks about open source and Fedora in > particular fit well into the conference program. > > If you are planning on attending please also take a minute to sign-up at > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Red_Hat_Summit_2009 > > so we can work together to make this a great event for the Fedora community. I am hoping to attend the Summit and have signed up. 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I wasn't able to attend this one personally but Engels and company look like they had fun. :D ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Engels Antonio Date: Wed, Feb 25, 2009 at 5:44 PM Subject: Re: [FedoraPH] TIP ITE Roadshow To: Heherson Pagcaliwagan In case you're interested, the TIP ITE Roadshow pictures are online here: http://fedora.bluepoint.com.ph/index.php?entry=20090218191420&show=album Sorry I forgot to announce it last week. :( Thanks to Allan and Mark for manning the Fedora booth with me. :) Please visit the following URL for the full thread: http://fedora.bluepoint.com.ph//index.php?entry=20090218191420&show=comments -- Fedora Philippines http://fedora.bluepoint.com.ph/ -- Heherson Pagcaliwagan http://project.azneita.org From richter143 at yahoo.com Thu Feb 26 00:57:25 2009 From: richter143 at yahoo.com (Emerson Richt Fabian) Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 16:57:25 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Ambassadors] Fwd: [FedoraPH] TIP ITE Roadshow References: <20090225094422.1CACB242F1@bluepoint.com.ph> <928156be0902251441l20287a7evb390c150f477e837@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <233417.99436.qm@web36403.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Herson, That's great. I hope I can help the next time there's an event like this in Metro Manila. Regards.. ________________________________ From: Heherson Pagcaliwagan To: fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2009 6:41:14 AM Subject: [Ambassadors] Fwd: [FedoraPH] TIP ITE Roadshow Forwarding here Engel's report on the TIP ITE Roadshow held last week. I wasn't able to attend this one personally but Engels and company look like they had fun. :D ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Engels Antonio Date: Wed, Feb 25, 2009 at 5:44 PM Subject: Re: [FedoraPH] TIP ITE Roadshow To: Heherson Pagcaliwagan In case you're interested, the TIP ITE Roadshow pictures are online here: http://fedora.bluepoint.com.ph/index.php?entry=20090218191420&show=album Sorry I forgot to announce it last week. :( Thanks to Allan and Mark for manning the Fedora booth with me. :) Please visit the following URL for the full thread: http://fedora.bluepoint.com.ph//index.php?entry=20090218191420&show=comments -- Fedora Philippines http://fedora.bluepoint.com.ph/ -- Heherson Pagcaliwagan http://project.azneita.org -- Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I am wondering why we want to talk about this. 2009/2/26 Hernan Pachas > +1 > > > > >> > >> > In my opinion, anyone who cares to read, think about, or respond to >> > this ongoing thread is considered active :) >> >> OK, I was holding back so as not to add to the noise, but if I'm >> required to do so.. ;-) >> -- >> Dr. Horst H. von Brand User #22616 counter.li.org >> Departamento de Informatica Fono: +56 32 2654431 >> Universidad Tecnica Federico Santa Maria +56 32 2654239 >> Casilla 110-V, Valparaiso, Chile 2340000 Fax: +56 32 2797513 >> >> -- >> Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list >> Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list >> > > > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > > -- Regards ----------------------------------------- Aaron, Li ???? 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Li, Songlin wrote: > It's boring arguing about "active" and "inactive". > I am wondering why we want to talk about this. > > 2009/2/26 Hernan Pachas > > >> +1 >> >> >> >> >> >>>> In my opinion, anyone who cares to read, think about, or respond to >>>> this ongoing thread is considered active :) >>>> >>> OK, I was holding back so as not to add to the noise, but if I'm >>> required to do so.. ;-) >>> -- >>> Dr. Horst H. von Brand User #22616 counter.li.org >>> Departamento de Informatica Fono: +56 32 2654431 >>> Universidad Tecnica Federico Santa Maria +56 32 2654239 >>> Casilla 110-V, Valparaiso, Chile 2340000 Fax: +56 32 2797513 >>> >>> -- >>> Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list >>> Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com >>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list >>> >>> >> -- >> Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list >> Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list >> >> >> > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > From engels at bluepoint.com.ph Thu Feb 26 03:43:24 2009 From: engels at bluepoint.com.ph (Engels Antonio) Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2009 11:43:24 +0800 (PHT) Subject: [Ambassadors] Fwd: [FedoraPH] TIP ITE Roadshow In-Reply-To: <928156be0902251441l20287a7evb390c150f477e837@mail.gmail.com> References: <20090225094422.1CACB242F1@bluepoint.com.ph> <928156be0902251441l20287a7evb390c150f477e837@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <6469.10.0.0.4.1235619804.squirrel@mail.bluepoint.com.ph> There were roughly 800 roadshow attendees. Magie (Fedora Ambassador + LinuxChix Coordinator) and I took turns manning the Fedora booth and giving talks on stage. ;) On Thu, February 26, 2009 6:41 am, Heherson Pagcaliwagan wrote: > Forwarding here Engel's report on the TIP ITE Roadshow held last week. > I wasn't able to attend this one personally but Engels and company > look like they had fun. :D > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: Engels Antonio > Date: Wed, Feb 25, 2009 at 5:44 PM > Subject: Re: [FedoraPH] TIP ITE Roadshow > To: Heherson Pagcaliwagan > > > In case you're interested, the TIP ITE Roadshow pictures are online here: > > http://fedora.bluepoint.com.ph/index.php?entry=20090218191420&show=album > > Sorry I forgot to announce it last week. :( > > Thanks to Allan and Mark for manning the Fedora booth with me. :) From inode0 at gmail.com Thu Feb 26 04:32:04 2009 From: inode0 at gmail.com (inode0) Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 22:32:04 -0600 Subject: [Ambassadors] Fedora Pecha Kucha Hour Message-ID: This may be an off the wall idea but bear with me (flame me later if you want). I recently ran across the pecha kucha[1][2] style of presentation and began thinking about different aspects of it that I find appealing. The short description of this style is that each presentation consists of exactly 20 slides and each slide is displayed for exactly 20 seconds as the speaker talks. The entire presentation is 6 minutes and 40 seconds long. Period. So similar in length to a lightning talk but visually more structured. So what do I find appealing about this? (1) Strict time limit - make an interesting point and sit down. (2) With the 20 second per slide rule the role of the slides has to change from traditional slide deck presentations. This I think lends itself to encouraging the presenter to focus more on using slides for visual support of his talk rather than for conveying written information. (3) Resulting from the strict timing the presenter needs to really work on timing his talk to stay in sync with the slides. This forces a focus on preparation that I think might also help focus the talk. (4) Imagining myself in the audience I think I would find this highly entertaining especially if done well. If not done well, it only last 6 minutes and 40 seconds. As you think more about this style one can see it being more amenable to certain sorts of subject matter but with imagination and cleverness I think even quite technical material could be presented in this format. Where am I going with this? Well, in about 1 hour you could have probably 6 or 7 of these talks. Are any of you uninhibited enough to consider trying a Fedora themed pecha kucha hour at the Summit? I'm thinking of a lead-off talk about Fedora which would briefly introduce our four foundations followed by a talk about each of those four foundations. John [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pecha_Kucha [2] http://www.pecha-kucha.org/ From herlo1 at gmail.com Thu Feb 26 07:30:29 2009 From: herlo1 at gmail.com (Clint Savage) Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2009 00:30:29 -0700 Subject: [Ambassadors] Fedora Pecha Kucha Hour In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Wed, Feb 25, 2009 at 9:32 PM, inode0 wrote: > This may be an off the wall idea but bear with me (flame me later if you want). > > I recently ran across the pecha kucha[1][2] style of presentation and > began thinking about different aspects of it that I find appealing. > The short description of this style is that each presentation consists > of exactly 20 slides and each slide is displayed for exactly 20 > seconds as the speaker talks. The entire presentation is 6 minutes and > 40 seconds long. Period. So similar in length to a lightning talk but > visually more structured. > > So what do I find appealing about this? > > (1) Strict time limit - make an interesting point and sit down. > (2) With the 20 second per slide rule the role of the slides has to > change from traditional slide deck presentations. This I think lends > itself to encouraging the presenter to focus more on using slides for > visual support of his talk rather than for conveying written > information. > (3) Resulting from the strict timing the presenter needs to really > work on timing his talk to stay in sync with the slides. This forces a > focus on preparation that I think might also help focus the talk. > (4) Imagining myself in the audience I think I would find this highly > entertaining especially if done well. If not done well, it only last 6 > minutes and 40 seconds. > > As you think more about this style one can see it being more amenable > to certain sorts of subject matter but with imagination and cleverness > I think even quite technical material could be presented in this > format. > > Where am I going with this? Well, in about 1 hour you could have > probably 6 or 7 of these talks. Are any of you uninhibited enough to > consider trying a Fedora themed pecha kucha hour at the Summit? I'm > thinking of a lead-off talk about Fedora which would briefly introduce > our four foundations followed by a talk about each of those four > foundations. > > John > > [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pecha_Kucha > [2] http://www.pecha-kucha.org/ > > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > John, I've actually attended a conference here in SLC (called Ignite Salt Lake [1]) and it's an awesomely fun evening. We had around 10 talks in just over two hours and it was amazing the things I learned in just that short of a time. From a 12 foot motorized and computerized jellyfish which visits Burning Man every year, to an art project created in someone's home before they tore it down to rebuild. If you are interested, visit the site and learn more. They're having another one coming next month too. http://ignitesaltlake.com Cheers, Clint From stickster at gmail.com Thu Feb 26 14:04:37 2009 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2009 09:04:37 -0500 Subject: [Ambassadors] BarCamp Mobile (Alabama, US) Message-ID: <20090226140437.GA639@localhost.localdomain> A press notice was received by our press at fp.o email address to tell us about this event: http://barcampmobile.org/BarCamp_Mobile/Welcome.html BarCamp Mobile (Alabama, USA), March 20-21, 2009 If you're a US ambassador interested in attending, free registration is available through the event site. If you'd like to bring some Fedora media, I'm sure that can be arranged through the normal NA Ambassador channels. -- Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available URL: From suyash.kmr at gmail.com Thu Feb 26 14:08:48 2009 From: suyash.kmr at gmail.com (S.K.) Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2009 19:38:48 +0530 Subject: [Ambassadors] Active or Inactive In-Reply-To: <49A6039C.7030405@gmail.com> References: <49A253D7.1090408@nerdshack.com> <1ee8c4800902250609v321e0f81j39252541f519eeab@mail.gmail.com> <49A552FA.7020409@paulmellors.net> <1235571780.6923.3.camel@makokal-tower> <49A554E4.1020308@paulmellors.net> <1490.1235591701@laptop14.inf.utfsm.cl> <49A6039C.7030405@gmail.com> Message-ID: +1 2009/2/26 Digvijay Patankar > Yes, I too am support Li, Songlin. Why we need to discuss this and waste > our time? > Better talk on something else. > There is no point on talking on "active" or "inactive". > > Li, Songlin wrote: > > It's boring arguing about "active" and "inactive". > > I am wondering why we want to talk about this. > > > > 2009/2/26 Hernan Pachas > > > > > >> +1 > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >>>> In my opinion, anyone who cares to read, think about, or respond to > >>>> this ongoing thread is considered active :) > >>>> > >>> OK, I was holding back so as not to add to the noise, but if I'm > >>> required to do so.. ;-) > >>> -- > >>> Dr. Horst H. von Brand User #22616 counter.li.org > >>> Departamento de Informatica Fono: +56 32 2654431 > >>> Universidad Tecnica Federico Santa Maria +56 32 2654239 > >>> Casilla 110-V, Valparaiso, Chile 2340000 Fax: +56 32 2797513 > >>> > >>> -- > >>> Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > >>> Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > >>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > >>> > >>> > >> -- > >> Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > >> Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > -- > > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > > > > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > -- S.K. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From david at gnsa.us Thu Feb 26 14:46:19 2009 From: david at gnsa.us (David Nalley) Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2009 09:46:19 -0500 Subject: [Ambassadors] BarCamp Mobile (Alabama, US) In-Reply-To: <20090226140437.GA639@localhost.localdomain> References: <20090226140437.GA639@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: 2009/2/26 Paul W. Frields : > A press notice was received by our press at fp.o email address to tell us > about this event: > > http://barcampmobile.org/BarCamp_Mobile/Welcome.html > BarCamp Mobile (Alabama, USA), March 20-21, 2009 > > If you're a US ambassador interested in attending, free registration > is available through the event site. ?If you'd like to bring some > Fedora media, I'm sure that can be arranged through the normal NA > Ambassador channels. > > -- > Paul W. Frields ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?http://paul.frields.org/ > ?gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 ?5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 > ?http://redhat.com/ ? - ?- ?- ?- ? http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ > ?irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug > > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > > Wow! I'd love for us to pick this up and perhaps even sponsor it. Is there anyone in/near this event? We did really well last quarter with three BarCamps. From cskjain at gmail.com Thu Feb 26 16:55:45 2009 From: cskjain at gmail.com (Santosh Jain) Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2009 10:55:45 -0600 Subject: [Ambassadors] Active or Inactive In-Reply-To: References: <49A253D7.1090408@nerdshack.com> <49A552FA.7020409@paulmellors.net> <1235571780.6923.3.camel@makokal-tower> <49A554E4.1020308@paulmellors.net> <1490.1235591701@laptop14.inf.utfsm.cl> <49A6039C.7030405@gmail.com> Message-ID: Talking about which, i'd like to disassociate myself from being an Ambassador in Bangalore, India and concentrate just on Oklahoma where i live now till i move back to Bangalore. On 2/26/09, S.K. wrote: > +1 > 2009/2/26 Digvijay Patankar > >> Yes, I too am support Li, Songlin. Why we need to discuss this and waste >> our time? >> Better talk on something else. >> There is no point on talking on "active" or "inactive". >> >> Li, Songlin wrote: >> > It's boring arguing about "active" and "inactive". >> > I am wondering why we want to talk about this. >> > >> > 2009/2/26 Hernan Pachas >> > >> > >> >> +1 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>> In my opinion, anyone who cares to read, think about, or respond to >> >>>> this ongoing thread is considered active :) >> >>>> >> >>> OK, I was holding back so as not to add to the noise, but if I'm >> >>> required to do so.. ;-) >> >>> -- >> >>> Dr. Horst H. von Brand User #22616 counter.li.org >> >>> Departamento de Informatica Fono: +56 32 2654431 >> >>> Universidad Tecnica Federico Santa Maria +56 32 2654239 >> >>> Casilla 110-V, Valparaiso, Chile 2340000 Fax: +56 32 2797513 >> >>> >> >>> -- >> >>> Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list >> >>> Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com >> >>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list >> >>> >> >>> >> >> -- >> >> Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list >> >> Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com >> >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> > >> > >> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> > >> > -- >> > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list >> > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com >> > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list >> > >> >> -- >> Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list >> Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list >> > > > > -- > S.K. > From rishikesh at fedoraproject.org Fri Feb 27 00:41:45 2009 From: rishikesh at fedoraproject.org (Rishikesh Sharma) Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2009 06:11:45 +0530 Subject: [Ambassadors] Active or Inactive In-Reply-To: References: <49A253D7.1090408@nerdshack.com> <49A552FA.7020409@paulmellors.net> <1235571780.6923.3.camel@makokal-tower> <49A554E4.1020308@paulmellors.net> <1490.1235591701@laptop14.inf.utfsm.cl> <49A6039C.7030405@gmail.com> Message-ID: <7cb778c60902261641r1ad8388bl88815d3ee042f751@mail.gmail.com> Please stop this too long boring email war. It is totally meaningless to discuss this here. Instead of unnecessary discussion, our project must go on. Rishikesh Sharma Imphal, Manipur. 2009/2/26 S.K. > > +1 > 2009/2/26 Digvijay Patankar > >> Yes, I too am support Li, Songlin. Why we need to discuss this and waste >> our time? >> Better talk on something else. >> There is no point on talking on "active" or "inactive". >> >> Li, Songlin wrote: >> > It's boring arguing about "active" and "inactive". >> > I am wondering why we want to talk about this. >> > >> > 2009/2/26 Hernan Pachas >> > >> > >> >> +1 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>> In my opinion, anyone who cares to read, think about, or respond to >> >>>> this ongoing thread is considered active :) >> >>>> >> >>> OK, I was holding back so as not to add to the noise, but if I'm >> >>> required to do so.. ;-) >> >>> -- >> >>> Dr. Horst H. von Brand User #22616 counter.li.org >> >>> Departamento de Informatica Fono: +56 32 2654431 >> >>> Universidad Tecnica Federico Santa Maria +56 32 2654239 >> >>> Casilla 110-V, Valparaiso, Chile 2340000 Fax: +56 32 2797513 >> >>> >> >>> -- >> >>> Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list >> >>> Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com >> >>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list >> >>> >> >>> >> >> -- >> >> Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list >> >> Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com >> >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> > >> > >> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> > >> > -- >> > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list >> > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com >> > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list >> > >> >> -- >> Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list >> Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list >> > > > > -- > S.K. > > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From g5_fosslover at yahoo.in Fri Feb 27 04:45:06 2009 From: g5_fosslover at yahoo.in (Gaurav Prabhu) Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2009 10:15:06 +0530 (IST) Subject: [Ambassadors] Active or Inactive In-Reply-To: <1490.1235591701@laptop14.inf.utfsm.cl> Message-ID: <455632.26693.qm@web95115.mail.in2.yahoo.com> --- On Wed, 25/2/09, Horst H. von Brand wrote: > From: Horst H. von Brand > Subject: Re: [Ambassadors] Active or Inactive > To: fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com, "Max Spevack" > Date: Wednesday, 25 February, 2009, 7:55 PM > Max Spevack wrote: > > On Wed, 25 Feb 2009, Paul Mellors wrote: > > > > > Forgive me if i'm wrong as this thread has > been going on for > > > AGGGGGGEEEES :) if you use IRC, read the mailing > list, tell a mate > > > about Fedora, mention Fedora in passing to your > mum or dad then > > > you're active? > > > > In my opinion, anyone who cares to read, think about, > or respond to > > this ongoing thread is considered active :) Yes, I am active. My activities are currently on hold due to my exams. Soon I will be more active than before. Regards, Gaurav Prabhu Check out the all-new Messenger 9.0! Go to http://in.messenger.yahoo.com/ From skyscanner4u at gmail.com Fri Feb 27 10:44:13 2009 From: skyscanner4u at gmail.com (CODE BRE@KER) Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2009 15:44:13 +0500 Subject: [Ambassadors] A new community group Message-ID: <5771a5af0902270244h530c7330g747867eb010ddbfe@mail.gmail.com> Hi to all my fellow ambassadors , i have just made a new group at facebook, the reason behind is that i want to activate the promotion and acknowledging activities in Pakistan. which are not been updated , so i want all of you to be suppportive and do participate in it, and especially all ambassadors from Pakistan should join it and have a regular updating session here. so that we all should be contacted and the combine efforts we could do, should be planned..And all other ambassadors are to be invited , to join so they can guide us, in this regard.. http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=64723013320 Best Regards to all -- C0DE BRE at KER -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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And all other ambassadors are to be invited , to join so they > can guide us, in this regard.. > > http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=64723013320 > > Best Regards to all > > -- > C0DE BRE at KER > > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > > -- Nayyar Ahmad RHCE (ID:804006858622745) Skype: nayyares Blog: nayyares.blogspot.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From osamakhn at gmail.com Fri Feb 27 11:36:43 2009 From: osamakhn at gmail.com (Osama Khan) Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2009 14:36:43 +0300 Subject: [Ambassadors] A new community group In-Reply-To: <8e1ee2a30902270329h72a18834g967b401445140422@mail.gmail.com> References: <5771a5af0902270244h530c7330g747867eb010ddbfe@mail.gmail.com> <8e1ee2a30902270329h72a18834g967b401445140422@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4bb4ddb10902270336of605d52xaa8fc9e4549e7dd4@mail.gmail.com> Hi, Well done skyscanner .... I am from karachi and its nice to see some activity in pakistan.. i guess we can arrange a local meet of linux users in pakistan..... Much appreciate your effort .. lets get in touch ... -- Regards. Osama Khan Institute of Business Administration cell:(92)33-33-52-48-84 linkedin: http://www.linkedin.com/in/osamakhn blog:osama-khan.blogspot.com From tatica at fedoraproject.org Fri Feb 27 12:07:28 2009 From: tatica at fedoraproject.org (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Mar=EDa_Leandro?=) Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2009 07:37:28 +1930 Subject: [Ambassadors] A new community group In-Reply-To: <4bb4ddb10902270336of605d52xaa8fc9e4549e7dd4@mail.gmail.com> References: <5771a5af0902270244h530c7330g747867eb010ddbfe@mail.gmail.com> <8e1ee2a30902270329h72a18834g967b401445140422@mail.gmail.com> <4bb4ddb10902270336of605d52xaa8fc9e4549e7dd4@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <27a6293b0902270407g3edeb2acm5128170b28419f35@mail.gmail.com> Excelent! I did that same thing yesterday with Fedora Venezuela! great job :P 2009/2/28 Osama Khan > Hi, > > Well done skyscanner .... I am from karachi and its nice to see some > activity in pakistan.. i guess we can arrange a local meet of linux > users in pakistan..... > > Much appreciate your effort .. lets get in touch ... > > > -- > Regards. > > Osama Khan > Institute of Business Administration > > cell:(92)33-33-52-48-84 > linkedin: http://www.linkedin.com/in/osamakhn > blog:osama-khan.blogspot.com > > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > -- tatica Maria Gracia Leandro http://www.tatica.org http://www.iseit.net http://www.latinux.org http://www.latinux.com http://www.fedora-ve.org http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/MariaLeandro LinuxUser= 440285 GPG Public Key: E1CDCC56 "Be yourself... Don't be anyone else" -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Osama, Skyscanner, you both can choose a meeting time & date, and can send it to rest of Pakistani ambassadors....see you on #fedora-meeting. 1. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_meeting_channel 2. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/IRCHowTo#Meeting_Protocol cheers On Fri, Feb 27, 2009 at 1:36 PM, Osama Khan wrote: > Hi, > > Well done skyscanner .... I am from karachi and its nice to see some > activity in pakistan.. i guess we can arrange a local meet of linux > users in pakistan..... > > Much appreciate your effort .. lets get in touch ... > > > -- > Regards. > > Osama Khan > Institute of Business Administration > > cell:(92)33-33-52-48-84 > linkedin: http://www.linkedin.com/in/osamakhn > blog:osama-khan.blogspot.com > > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > -- Nayyar Ahmad RHCE (ID:804006858622745) Skype: nayyares Blog: nayyares.blogspot.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From david at gnsa.us Fri Feb 27 14:18:45 2009 From: david at gnsa.us (David Nalley) Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2009 09:18:45 -0500 Subject: [Ambassadors] NA: OLPC 4th grade math development list. Message-ID: Hey guys, For those of you in NA working to put XOs in developers hands - there is a list you need to point them to: http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/fourthgrademath Let's make sure that we get the previous recipients subscribed to that list as well. From stickster at gmail.com Fri Feb 27 16:50:15 2009 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2009 11:50:15 -0500 Subject: [Ambassadors] A new community group In-Reply-To: <5771a5af0902270244h530c7330g747867eb010ddbfe@mail.gmail.com> References: <5771a5af0902270244h530c7330g747867eb010ddbfe@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20090227165015.GE9867@localhost.localdomain> On Fri, Feb 27, 2009 at 03:44:13PM +0500, CODE BRE at KER wrote: > Hi to all my fellow ambassadors , i have just made a new group at facebook, the > reason behind is that i want to activate the promotion and acknowledging > activities in Pakistan. which are not been updated , so i want all of you to be > suppportive and do participate in it, and especially all ambassadors from > Pakistan should join it and have a regular updating session here. so that we > all should be contacted and the combine efforts we could do, should be > planned.. > And all other ambassadors are to be invited , to join so they can guide us, in > this regard.. > > http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=64723013320 Please make sure that as you create additional Facebook groups for supporting Fedora, you do the following: * You MUST follow the trademark guidelines on our Legal pages for displaying the Fedora logo on a website: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Legal:Trademark_guidelines#Noncommercial_and_community_web_sites * You SHOULD ask all members of your group to also make themselves members of the official *global* Fedora group in Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=11454680248 This keeps our Fedora communities more engaged with each other and shows the unity of our Project. * You SHOULD ask all members of your group to also become fans of the Fedora Project: http://www.facebook.com/pages/Fedora-Project/7670534782 And you can encourage them to check out and join other Fedora groups too. -- Paul W. 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URL: From osamakhn at gmail.com Fri Feb 27 17:24:47 2009 From: osamakhn at gmail.com (Osama Khan) Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2009 20:24:47 +0300 Subject: [Ambassadors] A new community group In-Reply-To: <91dc35e70902270914v74eb800cm47c43de9b4485a34@mail.gmail.com> References: <91dc35e70902270914v74eb800cm47c43de9b4485a34@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4bb4ddb10902270924o7953caecu9a6826905d92e5a9@mail.gmail.com> boys let meet up physically ... like have any of u attended the recent bloggers meet up .. why not get some sponsors and you are are most invited to karachi for this purpose ... -- Regards. Osama Khan Institute of Business Administration cell:(92)33-33-52-48-84 linkedin: http://www.linkedin.com/in/osamakhn blog:osama-khan.blogspot.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From skyscanner4u at gmail.com Fri Feb 27 17:25:51 2009 From: skyscanner4u at gmail.com (CODE BRE@KER) Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2009 22:25:51 +0500 Subject: [Ambassadors] A new community group In-Reply-To: <91dc35e70902270914v74eb800cm47c43de9b4485a34@mail.gmail.com> References: <91dc35e70902270914v74eb800cm47c43de9b4485a34@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <5771a5af0902270925n46999976w2d85232813c92c3f@mail.gmail.com> On Sunday anytime , that suites to all of you guys , do tell me , well i prefer it would be at 1100hrs PK ST. If you have any other suitable option then inform.and channel should be #pakistan at freenode or #fedora-ambassador at freenode Best wishes to all and thanx for your response 2009/2/27 ali r > count me in guys..just let us know when and in which channel are you > hosting it > > On Fri, Feb 27, 2009 at 10:00 PM, < > fedora-ambassadors-list-request at redhat.com> wrote: > >> A new community group > > > > > -- > Ali Raza > President Computer Cell > Fedora Ambassador > Department of Computer Science & Information Technology > NWFP UET > msn: dejavu87 at gmail.com > yahoo: r3b3l_87 > skype: ali.uet > cell# +92321-986-2931 > http://dejavu87.blogspot.com > > > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > > -- C0DE BRE at KER -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Please do not send private "Welcome" Messages to Ambassador List > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list ________________________________________________________________________ Billy Okal Jacobs University Bremen, Electrical Engineering and Computer Science(EECS), College Ring 6, Mailbox # 387 Room: Ext 5389, Mobile: +49 176 890 42726 ________________________________________________________________________ From thomas.canniot at mrtomlinux.org Sat Feb 28 11:27:11 2009 From: thomas.canniot at mrtomlinux.org (Thomas Canniot) Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2009 12:27:11 +0100 Subject: [Ambassadors] 02 19 2009 FAmSCo Meeting report Message-ID: <20090228122711.2d35f9b4@mrtomlinux.org> Hello and welcome to this fifthe FAMSCO weekly meeting summary. I sincerely apologize for being late on FAmSCo reporting. The latest meeting was hold on February 19th 2009 on #fedora-meeting Attendees: Rodrigo Padula Susmit Shannigrahi Francesco Fugolini Max Spevack Regreted attendees: ThomasCanniot Joerg Simon David Nalley Francesco starts by announcing the meeting agenda : 1) Current Tasks Review 2) Ambassadors template 3) Inactive Ambassadors 4) Budget 1) Current Tasks Review 1.9 LATAM Events Rodirogo Padula is leading a global LATAM effort to organize FLISOL in many countries. FLISOL is supported by big companies like Oracle. Rodrigo is also negociating about having a FUDConS during this big event. Mentorship meeting A meeting took place and the log of the meeting can be read there: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mentors_Meeting_Minutes_2009-02-15 Rodrigo volunteered himself to attend next Mentoring meeting. 2) Ambassadors template No update, then the task is skipped by owner. 3) Inactive Ambassadors Max wrote a email giving a clear and concrete proposal to have a better management of members. In this mail, he defines what an ? active ambassador ? is. However Rodrigo pointed out that Max does not mention removing Ambassadors. Francsco sums up Max's proposal: to have an active ambassadors contact list page, which would make the inactive ambassdors remain hidden. Rodrigo disagrees with this proposal, as from his POV, some people don't help the Fedora Project at all, but keep the same rights. Max intervened to explain his POV: make ambassadors management as simple as possible, and let the inactive/dead account remain as they are. He also add that people would never agree on a unique definition of active/inactive definition for ambassadors. What remains important is that we have to find a way to be sure someone who emails an ambassador will have an answer very quickly. The meeting is adjourned. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Regards Joerg -- Joerg (kital) Simon jsimon at fedoraproject.org http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/JoergSimon http://kitall.blogspot.com Key Fingerprint: 3691 0989 2DCA 58A2 8D1F 2CAC C823 558E 5B5B 5688 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 197 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part. URL: From steven.moix at axianet.ch Sat Feb 28 13:06:11 2009 From: steven.moix at axianet.ch (Steven Moix) Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2009 14:06:11 +0100 Subject: [Ambassadors] Fedora marketing needs you! Message-ID: <1235826371.5933.19.camel@localhost.localdomain> Hello dear Fedora Ambassadors, During the last couple of weeks, the Fedora Marketing [1] group has done some serious internal reorganization, most of which you probably don't care about very much right now ;) One important thing to notice is the apparition of something called the "News Distribution Network" [2]. This is where we need you, the Ambassadors! The News Distribution Network is a joint effort between the marketing group and the ambassador group to effectively push Fedora news to the media. As you can see on [2], we are currently searching 2-3 people for each of the following languages: * English, German, French, Spanish, Portuguese, Hindi and Italian Your role will be to help us spread news. If you read the whole page [2], it should be pretty clear what we expect from you :) If you are interested, feel free to contact me so we can discuss your candidature during the next IRC marketing meeting next Tuesday. 1: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing 2: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing_news_distribution_network Have a nice day Steven Moix - Fedora marketing group From francesco at ephisia.org Sat Feb 28 13:10:38 2009 From: francesco at ephisia.org (Francesco Ugolini) Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2009 14:10:38 +0100 Subject: [Ambassadors] Fedora marketing needs you! In-Reply-To: <1235826371.5933.19.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1235826371.5933.19.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: On Sat, Feb 28, 2009 at 2:06 PM, Steven Moix wrote: > Hello dear Fedora Ambassadors, > > During the last couple of weeks, the Fedora Marketing [1] group has done > some serious internal reorganization, most of which you probably don't > care about very much right now ;) > > One important thing to notice is the apparition of something called the > "News Distribution Network" [2]. This is where we need you, the > Ambassadors! > > The News Distribution Network is a joint effort between the marketing > group and the ambassador group to effectively push Fedora news to the > media. As you can see on [2], we are currently searching 2-3 people for > each of the following languages: > > * English, German, French, Spanish, Portuguese, Hindi and Italian > > Your role will be to help us spread news. If you read the whole page > [2], it should be pretty clear what we expect from you :) > > If you are interested, feel free to contact me so we can discuss your > candidature during the next IRC marketing meeting next Tuesday. > > 1: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing > 2: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing_news_distribution_network > > Have a nice day > > Steven Moix - Fedora marketing group Great initiative! I invite all the ambassadors, who want to spend some time on this task, to think about it :) Regards Francesco Ugolini From shambo.linux at gmail.com Sat Feb 28 15:32:55 2009 From: shambo.linux at gmail.com (Shambo Bose) Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2009 21:02:55 +0530 Subject: [Ambassadors] Fedora marketing needs you! In-Reply-To: References: <1235826371.5933.19.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: On Sat, Feb 28, 2009 at 6:40 PM, Francesco Ugolini wrote: > On Sat, Feb 28, 2009 at 2:06 PM, Steven Moix > wrote: > > Hello dear Fedora Ambassadors, > > > > During the last couple of weeks, the Fedora Marketing [1] group has done > > some serious internal reorganization, most of which you probably don't > > care about very much right now ;) > > > > One important thing to notice is the apparition of something called the > > "News Distribution Network" [2]. This is where we need you, the > > Ambassadors! > > > > The News Distribution Network is a joint effort between the marketing > > group and the ambassador group to effectively push Fedora news to the > > media. As you can see on [2], we are currently searching 2-3 people for > > each of the following languages: > > > > * English, German, French, Spanish, Portuguese, Hindi and Italian > > > > Your role will be to help us spread news. If you read the whole page > > [2], it should be pretty clear what we expect from you :) > > > > If you are interested, feel free to contact me so we can discuss your > > candidature during the next IRC marketing meeting next Tuesday. > > > > 1: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing > > 2: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing_news_distribution_network > > > > Have a nice day > > > > Steven Moix - Fedora marketing group > > Great initiative! > > I invite all the ambassadors, who want to spend some time on this > task, to think about it :) > > Regards > > Francesco Ugolini > > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > Hi, +1 . I will do it in English. Thanks. Regards, Shambo Bose -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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The call for papers closes on March 9th. > > Details are available here: > > > > http://www.redhat.com/promo/summit/2009/ > > > > There are several tracks where talks about open source and Fedora in > > particular fit well into the conference program. > > > > If you are planning on attending please also take a minute to sign-up at > > > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Red_Hat_Summit_2009 > > > > so we can work together to make this a great event for the Fedora > community. > > I am hoping to attend the Summit and have signed up. Regardless of > whether I attend, I will continue working inside Red Hat, in > partnership with John and anyone else who wants to work on the event, > to make sure that Fedora has a meaningful presence at the Summit. > > -- > Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ > gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 > http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ > irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug > > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > > Hi, I would have loved to attend that but I stay in India, it will not possible for me attend the summit. Regards, Shambo Bose -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From thomas.canniot at mrtomlinux.org Sat Feb 28 15:52:12 2009 From: thomas.canniot at mrtomlinux.org (Thomas Canniot) Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2009 16:52:12 +0100 Subject: [Ambassadors] 02 26 2009 FAmSCo Meeting report Message-ID: <20090228165212.1e8e6653@mrtomlinux.org> Hello and welcome to this sixth FAMSCO weekly meeting summary. The latest meeting was hold on February 26th 2009 on #fedora-meeting Attendees: Susmit Shannigrahi Francesco Fugolini Max Spevack Joerg Simon Regreted attendees: ThomasCanniot David Nalley Rodrigo Padula Francesco starts by announcing the meeting agenda : 1) Current Tasks Review 2) Inactive Ambassadors 3) Budget 4) Defining a SOP for FreeMedia program 1) Current Tasks Review 1.5 Moving from Joerg application to TRAC to verify membership. The task has not been started yet, as the process needs to be explained by Joerg very deeply to Susmit. From Susmit POV, all FAmSCo related task should go to FAmSCo. 1.6 Ambassadors Membership Administration Joerg will use FAS as the basis for country list sorting to locate Ambassadors. Max pointed out that some people may not be sharing their country. He also adds that it is a good opportunity to ask people to keep their FAS information up to date and to remind them about our privacy options. 1.7 FAD FAD at SCALe was a good event from Max's POV. There were also good reports from Indian Ambassadors. 4 of them are now in various Fedora Project and active contributors. 1.8 Release Parties Francsco is waiting from all the release workflow to stabilize and look at what both Artwork and Marketing teams are doing to get the release ready. 1.13 Ambassadors Mentoring Max will do another Fedora Classroom session about how to be a good ambassador. 3) Budget Max informed FAmSCo that Q4 spending is 95% finalized. He also started Q1 planning with the NA ambassadors regional leaders. The LATAM budget is also going to be determined very soon with Rodrigo and his boss. Fugolini suggested it would be nice to invite regional leaders to join FAmSCo meeting and discuss directly with them. The idea was welcomed by FAmSCo. Susmit also added it would require budget to achieve some Fedora plan he has in his school. 4) Defining a SOP for FreeMedia program Susmit recall how the FreeMedia program was managed by Thomas Chung. Now thanks to the new infrastructure we are moving to, we have to clearly define a Standard Operating procedure: when to open the request form and when to close it. Susmit suggested to open it on the 2st of each month and close it few days afters. At the end of the months, it suggests to close all the pending requests. The meeting is adjourned. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 197 bytes Desc: not available URL: From dbpatankar at gmail.com Sat Feb 28 15:59:47 2009 From: dbpatankar at gmail.com (Digvijay Patankar) Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2009 21:29:47 +0530 Subject: [Ambassadors] Fedora marketing needs you! In-Reply-To: <1235826371.5933.19.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1235826371.5933.19.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: On Sat, Feb 28, 2009 at 6:36 PM, Steven Moix wrote: > Hello dear Fedora Ambassadors, > > During the last couple of weeks, the Fedora Marketing [1] group has done > some serious internal reorganization, most of which you probably don't > care about very much right now ;) > > One important thing to notice is the apparition of something called the > "News Distribution Network" [2]. This is where we need you, the > Ambassadors! > > The News Distribution Network is a joint effort between the marketing > group and the ambassador group to effectively push Fedora news to the > media. As you can see on [2], we are currently searching 2-3 people for > each of the following languages: > > * English, German, French, Spanish, Portuguese, Hindi and Italian > > Your role will be to help us spread news. If you read the whole page > [2], it should be pretty clear what we expect from you :) > > If you are interested, feel free to contact me so we can discuss your > candidature during the next IRC marketing meeting next Tuesday. > > 1: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing > 2: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing_news_distribution_network > > Have a nice day > > Steven Moix - Fedora marketing group > > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list Hi, I am ready to do it for HINDI. Thanks and regards, Digvijay Patankar. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From francesco at ephisia.org Sat Feb 28 16:07:22 2009 From: francesco at ephisia.org (Francesco Ugolini) Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2009 17:07:22 +0100 Subject: [Ambassadors] 02 26 2009 FAmSCo Meeting report In-Reply-To: <20090228165212.1e8e6653@mrtomlinux.org> References: <20090228165212.1e8e6653@mrtomlinux.org> Message-ID: 2009/2/28 Thomas Canniot : > Hello and welcome to this sixth FAMSCO weekly meeting summary. > > The latest meeting was hold on February 26th 2009 on #fedora-meeting > > Attendees: > Susmit Shannigrahi > Francesco Fugolini > Max Spevack > Joerg Simon > > Regreted attendees: > ThomasCanniot > David Nalley > Rodrigo Padula > > > Francesco starts by announcing the meeting agenda : > 1) Current Tasks Review > 2) Inactive Ambassadors > 3) Budget > 4) Defining a SOP for FreeMedia program > > 1) Current Tasks Review > 1.5 Moving from Joerg application to TRAC to verify membership. > The task has not been started yet, as the process needs to be explained > by Joerg very deeply to Susmit. From Susmit POV, all FAmSCo related > task should go to FAmSCo. > > 1.6 Ambassadors Membership Administration > Joerg will use FAS as the basis for country list sorting to locate > Ambassadors. Max pointed out that some people may not be sharing their > country. He also adds that it is a good opportunity to ask people to > keep their FAS information up to date and to remind them about our > privacy options. > > 1.7 FAD > FAD at SCALe was a good event from Max's POV. > > There were also good reports from Indian Ambassadors. 4 of them are now > in various Fedora Project and active contributors. > > 1.8 Release Parties > Francsco is waiting from all the release workflow to stabilize and look > at what both Artwork and Marketing teams are doing to get the release > ready. > > 1.13 Ambassadors Mentoring > Max will do another Fedora Classroom session about how to be a good > ambassador. > > 3) Budget > Max informed FAmSCo that Q4 spending is 95% finalized. > He also started Q1 planning with the NA ambassadors regional leaders. > The LATAM budget is also going to be determined very soon with Rodrigo > and his boss. > > Fugolini suggested it would be nice to invite regional leaders to join > FAmSCo meeting and discuss directly with them. The idea was welcomed by > FAmSCo. > > Susmit also added it would require budget to achieve some Fedora plan > he has in his school. > > 4) Defining a SOP for FreeMedia program > Susmit recall how the FreeMedia program was managed by Thomas Chung. > Now thanks to the new infrastructure we are moving to, we have to > clearly define a Standard Operating procedure: when to open the request > form and when to close it. Susmit suggested to open it on the 2st of > each month and close it few days afters. At the end of the months, it > suggests to close all the pending requests. > > The meeting is adjourned. > > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > > Once again, my deep thanks for your precious work. Regards Francesco Ugolini From hacataka at gmail.com Sat Feb 28 16:16:30 2009 From: hacataka at gmail.com (Hacataka Comodo) Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2009 11:16:30 -0500 Subject: [Ambassadors] Fedora Ambassadors Welcome In-Reply-To: <200902281331.33004.jsimon@fedoraproject.org> References: <200902281120.31491.jsimon@fedoraproject.org> <1235816983.6923.0.camel@makokal-tower> <200902281331.33004.jsimon@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: welcome - bienvenidos FEDORIANOS...........! 2009/2/28 Joerg Simon > Am Samstag 28 Februar 2009 11:29:43 schrieb Billy Okal: > > Welcome to Fedora, dont hesistate to ask anything > > I am sure it is well-meant to give new Ambassadors your personal/private > welcome on the list, but it is "off topic" - we are 734 Ambassadors and we > try > to keep the noise low in the Ambassadors List to keep it usable - it was a > community demand that we reduce the introductions and its welcome traffic - > therefore we send one official welcome for our new Fellows. 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Thanks for >> your >> understanding. >> >> Regards Joerg >> >> -- >> Joerg (kital) Simon >> jsimon at fedoraproject.org >> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/JoergSimon >> http://kitall.blogspot.com >> Key Fingerprint: >> 3691 0989 2DCA 58A2 8D1F 2CAC C823 558E 5B5B 5688 >> >> -- >> Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list >> Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list >> >> > > > -- > HACATAKA > http://bitacorahelpdesk.blogspot.com/ > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Hacataka > > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > > -- Esteban Baez Ing. Sistemas/ Electronica Digital/ Consultor Ti Fedora Project Ambassadors https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/EstebanBaez F-Py / Fedora Paraguay (En Construccion) http://proyectofedora.org/paraguay -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From sparshme5 at gmail.com Sat Feb 28 18:35:15 2009 From: sparshme5 at gmail.com (gaurav taywade) Date: Sun, 1 Mar 2009 00:05:15 +0530 Subject: [Ambassadors] Fedora marketing needs you! In-Reply-To: References: <1235826371.5933.19.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: i am ready to do it in hindi.... 2009/2/28 Digvijay Patankar > On Sat, Feb 28, 2009 at 6:36 PM, Steven Moix wrote: > >> Hello dear Fedora Ambassadors, >> >> During the last couple of weeks, the Fedora Marketing [1] group has done >> some serious internal reorganization, most of which you probably don't >> care about very much right now ;) >> >> One important thing to notice is the apparition of something called the >> "News Distribution Network" [2]. This is where we need you, the >> Ambassadors! >> >> The News Distribution Network is a joint effort between the marketing >> group and the ambassador group to effectively push Fedora news to the >> media. As you can see on [2], we are currently searching 2-3 people for >> each of the following languages: >> >> * English, German, French, Spanish, Portuguese, Hindi and Italian >> >> Your role will be to help us spread news. If you read the whole page >> [2], it should be pretty clear what we expect from you :) >> >> If you are interested, feel free to contact me so we can discuss your >> candidature during the next IRC marketing meeting next Tuesday. >> >> 1: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing >> 2: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing_news_distribution_network >> >> Have a nice day >> >> Steven Moix - Fedora marketing group >> >> -- >> Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list >> Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > > > Hi, > > I am ready to do it for HINDI. > > Thanks and regards, > Digvijay Patankar. > > > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > > -- Gaurav Taywade +99606-20260 Regd. 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I can do it in spanish! /me join #marketing 2009/3/1 gaurav taywade > i am ready to do it in hindi.... > > 2009/2/28 Digvijay Patankar > > On Sat, Feb 28, 2009 at 6:36 PM, Steven Moix wrote: >> >>> Hello dear Fedora Ambassadors, >>> >>> During the last couple of weeks, the Fedora Marketing [1] group has done >>> some serious internal reorganization, most of which you probably don't >>> care about very much right now ;) >>> >>> One important thing to notice is the apparition of something called the >>> "News Distribution Network" [2]. This is where we need you, the >>> Ambassadors! >>> >>> The News Distribution Network is a joint effort between the marketing >>> group and the ambassador group to effectively push Fedora news to the >>> media. As you can see on [2], we are currently searching 2-3 people for >>> each of the following languages: >>> >>> * English, German, French, Spanish, Portuguese, Hindi and Italian >>> >>> Your role will be to help us spread news. If you read the whole page >>> [2], it should be pretty clear what we expect from you :) >>> >>> If you are interested, feel free to contact me so we can discuss your >>> candidature during the next IRC marketing meeting next Tuesday. >>> >>> 1: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing >>> 2: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing_news_distribution_network >>> >>> Have a nice day >>> >>> Steven Moix - Fedora marketing group >>> >>> -- >>> Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list >>> Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com >>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list >> >> >> Hi, >> >> I am ready to do it for HINDI. >> >> Thanks and regards, >> Digvijay Patankar. >> >> >> -- >> Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list >> Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list >> >> > > > -- > Gaurav Taywade > +99606-20260 > Regd. 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