[Ambassadors] inactive ambassadors, a proposed solution

Thu Feb 19 18:09:20 UTC 2009

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" local groups (by country) to control local Ambassador membership."

2009/2/19 Shambo Bose <shambo.linux at gmail.com>

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>
> On Thu, Feb 19, 2009 at 10:57 PM, Rodrigo Menezes <
> rodrigomenezes12 at yahoo.com.br> wrote:
>
>> María, I understood your point of view, and I agree with you in parts.
>>
>> But I my opinion, a mentoring situation is not the appropriated one. I
>> don't
>> feel comfortable having someone telling me what to do in my collaborative
>> job. For this case, a "by country" group can control this actions. Not to
>> tell an ambassador what he should do, but to watch his work, get reports.
>> Off course, all big actions in some country need more contributors, we
>> need
>> more people in our magazine, updating our portal, etc., but we ONLY need
>> people interested to put their hands to work.
>>
>> +1 to local groups (by country) to control local Ambassador membership.
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Rodrigo Menezes
>>
>>
>>
>> De: fedora-ambassadors-list-bounces at redhat.com
>> [mailto:fedora-ambassadors-list-bounces at redhat.com] Em nome de María
>> Leandro
>> Enviada em: quinta-feira, 19 de fevereiro de 2009 14:04
>> Para: fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com
>> Assunto: Re: [Ambassadors] inactive ambassadors, a proposed solution
>>
>> get in touch.
>>
>> sometimes news ambassadors only join this group because they like the
>> "@fedoraproject.org" mail and get their names on the fedoraproject
>> website... it should not be that way.
>>
>> Is not my idea say that "little countries are not important"... is the
>> opossite; I'm in a country that is smaller that a 20 part of brazil; and
>> we
>> do things. My point is that be an ambassador has a purpose... and some
>> people just forget that. so, we just need to get them in touch again and
>> make that be a "fedora ambassador" mean something again for those "lost
>> sheeps" (again... mentoring stuff explain with a better english by -Max-)
>> :D
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> 2009/2/20 Rodrigo Menezes <rodrigomenezes12 at yahoo.com.br>
>> María,
>>
>> How can you identify a Ambassador who really works for the Project?
>>
>> Contribute as an Ambassador doesn't mean that you need to work in a
>> upstream
>> Project. If I produce lectures in my city (a small city in South Brazil),
>> I'm contributing, and this work will never be noticed by you. How can you
>> define if I'm working or not?
>>
>> How can you assign task for some Ambassador who use all of his free time
>> to
>> distribute DVDs, produce lectures? You cannot.
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Rodrigo Menezes
>>
>>
>>
>> De: fedora-ambassadors-list-bounces at redhat.com
>> [mailto:fedora-ambassadors-list-bounces at redhat.com] Em nome de María
>> Leandro
>> Enviada em: quinta-feira, 19 de fevereiro de 2009 13:26
>> Para: fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com
>> Assunto: Re: [Ambassadors] inactive ambassadors, a proposed solution
>>
>> We also know that we have some ambassadors that don't contribute with any
>> project. What do we do with them?
>>
>> I think we should contact them an assign some task... just to incorporate
>> them to the team
>>
>> 2009/2/20 Ashiqur Rahman Angel <angel at linux.org.bd>
>> On Thu, Feb 19, 2009 at 5:34 PM, Max Spevack <mspevack at redhat.com> wrote:
>> The purpose of this email is to try to lay out a roadmap for solving, once
>> and for all, the question of inactive Fedora Ambassadors.
>>
>> GOALS OF IDENTIFYING INACTIVE AMBASSADORS:
>>
>> (1) Housekeeping.  All projects need to have their membership rosters
>> pruned
>> from time to time.  In Ambassadors, this is particularly important because
>> non-Fedora people might get in touch with Ambassadors, and if they don't
>> receive a response, it looks like Fedora is ignorning them.  Other
>> sub-projects for which identifying inactive ambassadors are crucial is
>> packaging.  If someone drops off the face of the earth, their packages
>> need
>> to be given to a new owner.
>>
>> Pages that need to a "refresh" policy:
>>
>> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/CountryList <-- I argue that
>> CountryList is the wrong name for this page, and it should be called
>> Directory.
>>
>> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/MembershipService/Verification
>>
>> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/Count <-- why do we even need
>> this page?  Doesn't the CountryList page serve the same purpose?
>>
>> How often are these pages currently updated?  Is the process manual or
>> automated, or a mixture of both?
>>
>>
>> (2) Give a more prominent location to the "list of ambassadors per
>> country".
>>  That page should be the most visited page in all of Fedora Ambassadors.
>>  People who are trying to find out about Fedora should be visiting it, and
>> Ambassadors who are looking for other Fedora folks near them should be
>> visiting it.
>>
>> We should have something on fedoraproject.org that says "are you
>> interested
>> in Fedora?  Find a Fedora Ambassador near you to give you some
>> information"
>> and you type in your location, and it spits back a list of Ambassadors
>> near
>> you.
>>
>>
>> (3) In order for any of (2) to be successful, we need to make sure that
>> the
>> people who are listed as Ambassadors are actually paying attention to the
>> Ambassadors part of Fedora.  If someone is not, it doesn't mean that they
>> are a bad person -- it just means that they don't want to have to deal
>> with
>> organizing events or asking questions from newbies to the project.
>>
>> I wouldn't be offended if someone removed me from the Fedora
>> Infrastructure
>> group in FAS, because *I DON'T DO ANYTHING WITH FEDORA INFRASTRUCTURE*.
>>  It
>> doesn't mean I'm a bad person or not a Fedora contributor, it just means
>> that I don't participate in that part of Fedora.
>>
>>
>> HOW DO WE IDENTIFY ACTIVE AMBASSADORS?
>>
>> We come up with a policy that is simple, and fair.
>>
>> An active ambassador is someone who:
>>
>> 1) Has joined the group in FAS.
>> 2) Reads and/or posts on fedora-ambassadors-list.
>> 3) Has a useful, up-to-date personal page on the Fedora wiki.
>>
>> And does one or more of:
>>
>> * Attends or organizes an event once in a release cycle.
>> * Maintains a blog on Planet Fedora, with about one post per month.
>> * Participates on fedora-list or fedoraforum.org to help people w/
>> questions.
>> * Indicates their willingness to mentor and guide new contributors or new
>> users.
>>
>> +1
>>
>> WHAT DO WE DO WITH INACTIVE AMBASSADORS?
>>
>> If someone is inactive, we *DO NOT* kick them out of the ambassadors group
>> in FAS, and we *DO NOT* remove them from fedora-ambassadors list.
>>
>> But we should remove them from the "directory of Ambassadors sorted by
>> country", which I argue again needs to be much more visible and useful, so
>> that those inactive Ambassadors aren't being asked to do public-facing
>> things.
>>
>> When someone re-surfaces or has more time for Ambassadors, we put them
>> back
>> on the directory.
>>
>> ==================
>>
>> Flame me.
>>
>> --Max
>>
>> But what do we do with inactive Ambassadors, who are inactive from a long
>> time? Are they Ambassadors for ever??!!
>>
>>
>> --
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> +1 to local groups to control local Ambassador membership.
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