[Ambassadors] inactive ambassadors, a proposed solution

inode0 inode0 at gmail.com
Thu Feb 19 14:26:06 UTC 2009

On Thu, Feb 19, 2009 at 5:34 AM, Max Spevack <mspevack at redhat.com> wrote:
> The purpose of this email is to try to lay out a roadmap for solving, once
> and for all, the question of inactive Fedora Ambassadors.

Perhaps I'm thinking about this problem in a more surgical way.
Ambassadors contribute in so many different ways that I don't even
feel comfortable thinking I can enumerate them and so I prefer to not
label an ambassador inactive because they don't contribute in the ways
I can enumerate.

> (1) Housekeeping.  All projects need to have their membership rosters pruned
> from time to time.  In Ambassadors, this is particularly important because
> non-Fedora people might get in touch with Ambassadors, and if they don't
> receive a response, it looks like Fedora is ignorning them.  Other
> sub-projects for which identifying inactive ambassadors are crucial is
> packaging.  If someone drops off the face of the earth, their packages need
> to be given to a new owner.

This to my mind is the core of the issue at hand. In FAmNA we have
been encouraging ambassadors in our part of the community to use


This is voluntary, ambassadors may put themselves on this page if they
so choose. If they do then it is a reasonable expectation that they
will respond to people who try to contact them using it. They might
spend 5 hours a day helping others in #fedora but if they don't
respond to someone contacting them from this page then they should not
be on this page.

One ambassador might prefer and enjoy being the conference booth face
of Fedora, another might enjoy being the IRC face of Fedora. Both of
those groups are self-selecting. The wiki face of Fedora should be
self-selecting also, not something everyone in the ambassador group
belongs to by default.

> ... snip ...
> (2) Give a more prominent location to the "list of ambassadors per country".
>  That page should be the most visited page in all of Fedora Ambassadors.
>  People who are trying to find out about Fedora should be visiting it, and
> Ambassadors who are looking for other Fedora folks near them should be
> visiting it.
> We should have something on fedoraproject.org that says "are you interested
> in Fedora?  Find a Fedora Ambassador near you to give you some information"
> and you type in your location, and it spits back a list of Ambassadors near
> you.

I agree this is important. Opening f-a-l (which I will never advocate
again) was motivated by the desire to have an obvious place for people
to contact *someone*  who is an ambassador about whatever they need
assistance with. That objective can be accomplished with the wiki too.

> (3) In order for any of (2) to be successful, we need to make sure that the
> people who are listed as Ambassadors are actually paying attention to the
> Ambassadors part of Fedora.  If someone is not, it doesn't mean that they
> are a bad person -- it just means that they don't want to have to deal with
> organizing events or asking questions from newbies to the project.

Here is where I think there is a much simpler approach. Do they
respond to email at whatever address they have listed on the wiki. If
no that means they aren't paying attention to being the wiki face of
Fedora and probably would be fine not being a part of that piece of
the ambassador puzzle. Really at this point that is the only piece
that concerns me.

> ... snip ...


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