[Ambassadors] inactive ambassadors, a proposed solution

Francesco Ugolini francesco at ephisia.org
Thu Feb 19 15:53:30 UTC 2009

On Thu, Feb 19, 2009 at 12:34 PM, Max Spevack <mspevack at redhat.com> wrote:
> The purpose of this email is to try to lay out a roadmap for solving, once
> and for all, the question of inactive Fedora Ambassadors.
> (1) Housekeeping.  All projects need to have their membership rosters pruned
> from time to time.  In Ambassadors, this is particularly important because
> non-Fedora people might get in touch with Ambassadors, and if they don't
> receive a response, it looks like Fedora is ignorning them.  Other
> sub-projects for which identifying inactive ambassadors are crucial is
> packaging.  If someone drops off the face of the earth, their packages need
> to be given to a new owner.
> Pages that need to a "refresh" policy:
> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/CountryList <-- I argue that
> CountryList is the wrong name for this page, and it should be called
> Directory.
> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/MembershipService/Verification
> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/Count <-- why do we even need
> this page?  Doesn't the CountryList page serve the same purpose?
> How often are these pages currently updated?  Is the process manual or
> automated, or a mixture of both?
> (2) Give a more prominent location to the "list of ambassadors per country".
>  That page should be the most visited page in all of Fedora Ambassadors.
>  People who are trying to find out about Fedora should be visiting it, and
> Ambassadors who are looking for other Fedora folks near them should be
> visiting it.
> We should have something on fedoraproject.org that says "are you interested
> in Fedora?  Find a Fedora Ambassador near you to give you some information"
> and you type in your location, and it spits back a list of Ambassadors near
> you.
> (3) In order for any of (2) to be successful, we need to make sure that the
> people who are listed as Ambassadors are actually paying attention to the
> Ambassadors part of Fedora.  If someone is not, it doesn't mean that they
> are a bad person -- it just means that they don't want to have to deal with
> organizing events or asking questions from newbies to the project.
> I wouldn't be offended if someone removed me from the Fedora Infrastructure
> doesn't mean I'm a bad person or not a Fedora contributor, it just means
> that I don't participate in that part of Fedora.
> We come up with a policy that is simple, and fair.
> An active ambassador is someone who:
> 1) Has joined the group in FAS.
> 2) Reads and/or posts on fedora-ambassadors-list.
> 3) Has a useful, up-to-date personal page on the Fedora wiki.
> And does one or more of:
> * Attends or organizes an event once in a release cycle.
> * Maintains a blog on Planet Fedora, with about one post per month.
> * Participates on fedora-list or fedoraforum.org to help people w/
> questions.
> * Indicates their willingness to mentor and guide new contributors or new
> users.
> If someone is inactive, we *DO NOT* kick them out of the ambassadors group
> in FAS, and we *DO NOT* remove them from fedora-ambassadors list.
> But we should remove them from the "directory of Ambassadors sorted by
> country", which I argue again needs to be much more visible and useful, so
> that those inactive Ambassadors aren't being asked to do public-facing
> things.
> When someone re-surfaces or has more time for Ambassadors, we put them back
> on the directory.
> ==================
> Flame me.
> --Max

I absolutely agree with this proposal (I just give my opinions in the
other related thread, please refer to my e-mail there to not repet

Thank you

Francesco Ugolini

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