[Ambassadors] inactive ambassadors, a proposed solution

Thu Feb 19 17:45:46 UTC 2009

On Thu, Feb 19, 2009 at 10:57 PM, Rodrigo Menezes <
rodrigomenezes12 at yahoo.com.br> wrote:

> María, I understood your point of view, and I agree with you in parts.
>
> But I my opinion, a mentoring situation is not the appropriated one. I
> don't
> feel comfortable having someone telling me what to do in my collaborative
> job. For this case, a "by country" group can control this actions. Not to
> tell an ambassador what he should do, but to watch his work, get reports.
> Off course, all big actions in some country need more contributors, we need
> more people in our magazine, updating our portal, etc., but we ONLY need
> people interested to put their hands to work.
>
> +1 to local groups (by country) to control local Ambassador membership.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Rodrigo Menezes
>
>
>
> De: fedora-ambassadors-list-bounces at redhat.com
> [mailto:fedora-ambassadors-list-bounces at redhat.com] Em nome de María
> Leandro
> Enviada em: quinta-feira, 19 de fevereiro de 2009 14:04
> Para: fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com
> Assunto: Re: [Ambassadors] inactive ambassadors, a proposed solution
>
> get in touch.
>
> sometimes news ambassadors only join this group because they like the
> "@fedoraproject.org" mail and get their names on the fedoraproject
> website... it should not be that way.
>
> Is not my idea say that "little countries are not important"... is the
> opossite; I'm in a country that is smaller that a 20 part of brazil; and we
> do things. My point is that be an ambassador has a purpose... and some
> people just forget that. so, we just need to get them in touch again and
> make that be a "fedora ambassador" mean something again for those "lost
> sheeps" (again... mentoring stuff explain with a better english by -Max-)
> :D
>
>
>
>
> 2009/2/20 Rodrigo Menezes <rodrigomenezes12 at yahoo.com.br>
> María,
>
> How can you identify a Ambassador who really works for the Project?
>
> Contribute as an Ambassador doesn't mean that you need to work in a
> upstream
> Project. If I produce lectures in my city (a small city in South Brazil),
> I'm contributing, and this work will never be noticed by you. How can you
> define if I'm working or not?
>
> How can you assign task for some Ambassador who use all of his free time to
> distribute DVDs, produce lectures? You cannot.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Rodrigo Menezes
>
>
>
> De: fedora-ambassadors-list-bounces at redhat.com
> [mailto:fedora-ambassadors-list-bounces at redhat.com] Em nome de María
> Leandro
> Enviada em: quinta-feira, 19 de fevereiro de 2009 13:26
> Para: fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com
> Assunto: Re: [Ambassadors] inactive ambassadors, a proposed solution
>
> We also know that we have some ambassadors that don't contribute with any
> project. What do we do with them?
>
> I think we should contact them an assign some task... just to incorporate
> them to the team
>
> 2009/2/20 Ashiqur Rahman Angel <angel at linux.org.bd>
> On Thu, Feb 19, 2009 at 5:34 PM, Max Spevack <mspevack at redhat.com> wrote:
> The purpose of this email is to try to lay out a roadmap for solving, once
> and for all, the question of inactive Fedora Ambassadors.
>
> GOALS OF IDENTIFYING INACTIVE AMBASSADORS:
>
> (1) Housekeeping.  All projects need to have their membership rosters
> pruned
> from time to time.  In Ambassadors, this is particularly important because
> non-Fedora people might get in touch with Ambassadors, and if they don't
> receive a response, it looks like Fedora is ignorning them.  Other
> sub-projects for which identifying inactive ambassadors are crucial is
> packaging.  If someone drops off the face of the earth, their packages need
> to be given to a new owner.
>
> Pages that need to a "refresh" policy:
>
> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/CountryList <-- I argue that
> CountryList is the wrong name for this page, and it should be called
> Directory.
>
> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/MembershipService/Verification
>
> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/Count <-- why do we even need
> this page?  Doesn't the CountryList page serve the same purpose?
>
> How often are these pages currently updated?  Is the process manual or
> automated, or a mixture of both?
>
>
> (2) Give a more prominent location to the "list of ambassadors per
> country".
>  That page should be the most visited page in all of Fedora Ambassadors.
>  People who are trying to find out about Fedora should be visiting it, and
> Ambassadors who are looking for other Fedora folks near them should be
> visiting it.
>
> We should have something on fedoraproject.org that says "are you
> interested
> in Fedora?  Find a Fedora Ambassador near you to give you some information"
> and you type in your location, and it spits back a list of Ambassadors near
> you.
>
>
> (3) In order for any of (2) to be successful, we need to make sure that the
> people who are listed as Ambassadors are actually paying attention to the
> Ambassadors part of Fedora.  If someone is not, it doesn't mean that they
> are a bad person -- it just means that they don't want to have to deal with
> organizing events or asking questions from newbies to the project.
>
> I wouldn't be offended if someone removed me from the Fedora Infrastructure
> group in FAS, because *I DON'T DO ANYTHING WITH FEDORA INFRASTRUCTURE*.  It
> doesn't mean I'm a bad person or not a Fedora contributor, it just means
> that I don't participate in that part of Fedora.
>
>
> HOW DO WE IDENTIFY ACTIVE AMBASSADORS?
>
> We come up with a policy that is simple, and fair.
>
> An active ambassador is someone who:
>
> 1) Has joined the group in FAS.
> 2) Reads and/or posts on fedora-ambassadors-list.
> 3) Has a useful, up-to-date personal page on the Fedora wiki.
>
> And does one or more of:
>
> * Attends or organizes an event once in a release cycle.
> * Maintains a blog on Planet Fedora, with about one post per month.
> * Participates on fedora-list or fedoraforum.org to help people w/
> questions.
> * Indicates their willingness to mentor and guide new contributors or new
> users.
>
> +1
>
> WHAT DO WE DO WITH INACTIVE AMBASSADORS?
>
> If someone is inactive, we *DO NOT* kick them out of the ambassadors group
> in FAS, and we *DO NOT* remove them from fedora-ambassadors list.
>
> But we should remove them from the "directory of Ambassadors sorted by
> country", which I argue again needs to be much more visible and useful, so
> that those inactive Ambassadors aren't being asked to do public-facing
> things.
>
> When someone re-surfaces or has more time for Ambassadors, we put them back
> on the directory.
>
> ==================
>
> Flame me.
>
> --Max
>
> But what do we do with inactive Ambassadors, who are inactive from a long
> time? Are they Ambassadors for ever??!!
>
>
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+1 to local groups to control local Ambassador membership.

Shambo Bose
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