RES: [Ambassadors] inactive ambassadors, a proposed solution

Thu Feb 19 19:50:37 UTC 2009

I can say that I haven't much time yet due to a project at work, but I am
currently creating an event at a local college for April. I just have a
project that needs to be code complete relatively soon and we lost
developers so I am working more than
I wish. I have set up a blog and have created some posts in regards to
Fedora 10 FEL. I guess what I am trying to say that since I have only been
ambassador for about a month, that don't remove me from the list, I will be
more active once I clear my
workload. I apologize for not being active immediately.

2009/2/19 María Leandro <tatica at fedoraproject.org>

> Can't we have 1 ambassador report from each country/city ? In those extreme
> situations I think this could work
>
> 2009/2/20 Charly Manjarrez <charlymanja at yahoo.com.mx>
>
> Maybe if we define the list of the country leaders be much easy to know who
>> works or not
>>
>>
>>
>> Rodrigo Menezes wrote:
>>
>>> I don't know how these works in the rest of the world, but I'm one of the
>>> firsts Ambassadors in Brazil. We are 44 Ambassadors here, and we know who
>>> is
>>> working and who isn't.
>>>
>>> To be more focused in our country, we created a local mail list, and are
>>> working to provide local actions. In this mean time, 5 long years, we
>>> talked
>>> with Fedora Board to remove inactive Ambassadors, but how we set who is
>>> working and who isn't? We don't, we just try to contact every Ambassador,
>>> from time to time,  to get an report of their actions. I can tell you
>>> that
>>> 10% or 20% doesn't even respond our e-mails. We know that more 10% or 20%
>>> isn't working with Fedora, assign Ambassador Group to have their name in
>>> our
>>> staff. In this situation I believe necessary a kick off, only in this
>>> situation.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>>
>>> Rodrigo Menezes
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> De: fedora-ambassadors-list-bounces at redhat.com
>>> [mailto:fedora-ambassadors-list-bounces at redhat.com] Em nome de Adli
>>> Azaddin
>>> Enviada em: quinta-feira, 19 de fevereiro de 2009 13:56
>>> Para: fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com
>>> Assunto: Re: [Ambassadors] inactive ambassadors, a proposed solution
>>>
>>> i agree with Rodrigo Menezes
>>>
>>> cheers again :D
>>> On Fri, Feb 20, 2009 at 12:50 AM, Rodrigo Menezes
>>> <rodrigomenezes12 at yahoo.com.br> wrote:
>>> María,
>>>
>>> How can you identify a Ambassador who really works for the Project?
>>>
>>> Contribute as an Ambassador doesn't mean that you need to work in a
>>> upstream
>>> Project. If I produce lectures in my city (a small city in South Brazil),
>>> I'm contributing, and this work will never be noticed by you. How can you
>>> define if I'm working or not?
>>>
>>> How can you assign task for some Ambassador who use all of his free time
>>> to
>>> distribute DVDs, produce lectures? You cannot.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>>
>>> Rodrigo Menezes
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> De: fedora-ambassadors-list-bounces at redhat.com
>>> [mailto:fedora-ambassadors-list-bounces at redhat.com] Em nome de María
>>> Leandro
>>> Enviada em: quinta-feira, 19 de fevereiro de 2009 13:26
>>> Para: fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com
>>> Assunto: Re: [Ambassadors] inactive ambassadors, a proposed solution
>>>
>>> We also know that we have some ambassadors that don't contribute with any
>>> project. What do we do with them?
>>>
>>> I think we should contact them an assign some task... just to incorporate
>>> them to the team
>>> 2009/2/20 Ashiqur Rahman Angel <angel at linux.org.bd>
>>> On Thu, Feb 19, 2009 at 5:34 PM, Max Spevack <mspevack at redhat.com>
>>> wrote:
>>> The purpose of this email is to try to lay out a roadmap for solving,
>>> once
>>> and for all, the question of inactive Fedora Ambassadors.
>>>
>>> GOALS OF IDENTIFYING INACTIVE AMBASSADORS:
>>>
>>> (1) Housekeeping.  All projects need to have their membership rosters
>>> pruned
>>> from time to time.  In Ambassadors, this is particularly important
>>> because
>>> non-Fedora people might get in touch with Ambassadors, and if they don't
>>> receive a response, it looks like Fedora is ignorning them.  Other
>>> sub-projects for which identifying inactive ambassadors are crucial is
>>> packaging.  If someone drops off the face of the earth, their packages
>>> need
>>> to be given to a new owner.
>>>
>>> Pages that need to a "refresh" policy:
>>>
>>> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/CountryList <-- I argue that
>>> CountryList is the wrong name for this page, and it should be called
>>> Directory.
>>>
>>> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/MembershipService/Verification
>>>
>>> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/Count <-- why do we even need
>>> this page?  Doesn't the CountryList page serve the same purpose?
>>>
>>> How often are these pages currently updated?  Is the process manual or
>>> automated, or a mixture of both?
>>>
>>>
>>> (2) Give a more prominent location to the "list of ambassadors per
>>> country".
>>>  That page should be the most visited page in all of Fedora Ambassadors.
>>>  People who are trying to find out about Fedora should be visiting it,
>>> and
>>> Ambassadors who are looking for other Fedora folks near them should be
>>> visiting it.
>>>
>>> We should have something on fedoraproject.org that says "are you
>>> interested
>>> in Fedora?  Find a Fedora Ambassador near you to give you some
>>> information"
>>> and you type in your location, and it spits back a list of Ambassadors
>>> near
>>> you.
>>>
>>>
>>> (3) In order for any of (2) to be successful, we need to make sure that
>>> the
>>> people who are listed as Ambassadors are actually paying attention to the
>>> Ambassadors part of Fedora.  If someone is not, it doesn't mean that they
>>> are a bad person -- it just means that they don't want to have to deal
>>> with
>>> organizing events or asking questions from newbies to the project.
>>>
>>> I wouldn't be offended if someone removed me from the Fedora
>>> Infrastructure
>>> group in FAS, because *I DON'T DO ANYTHING WITH FEDORA INFRASTRUCTURE*.
>>>  It
>>> doesn't mean I'm a bad person or not a Fedora contributor, it just means
>>> that I don't participate in that part of Fedora.
>>>
>>>
>>> HOW DO WE IDENTIFY ACTIVE AMBASSADORS?
>>>
>>> We come up with a policy that is simple, and fair.
>>>
>>> An active ambassador is someone who:
>>>
>>> 1) Has joined the group in FAS.
>>> 2) Reads and/or posts on fedora-ambassadors-list.
>>> 3) Has a useful, up-to-date personal page on the Fedora wiki.
>>>
>>> And does one or more of:
>>>
>>> * Attends or organizes an event once in a release cycle.
>>> * Maintains a blog on Planet Fedora, with about one post per month.
>>> * Participates on fedora-list or fedoraforum.org to help people w/
>>> questions.
>>> * Indicates their willingness to mentor and guide new contributors or new
>>> users.
>>>
>>> +1
>>>  WHAT DO WE DO WITH INACTIVE AMBASSADORS?
>>>
>>> If someone is inactive, we *DO NOT* kick them out of the ambassadors
>>> group
>>> in FAS, and we *DO NOT* remove them from fedora-ambassadors list.
>>>
>>> But we should remove them from the "directory of Ambassadors sorted by
>>> country", which I argue again needs to be much more visible and useful,
>>> so
>>> that those inactive Ambassadors aren't being asked to do public-facing
>>> things.
>>>
>>> When someone re-surfaces or has more time for Ambassadors, we put them
>>> back
>>> on the directory.
>>>
>>> ==================
>>>
>>> Flame me.
>>>
>>> --Max
>>>
>>> But what do we do with inactive Ambassadors, who are inactive from a long
>>> time? Are they Ambassadors for ever??!!
>>>
>>>
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