[Ambassadors] inactive ambassadors, a proposed solution

[Shambo Bose]

On Sat, Feb 21, 2009 at 1:48 AM, Rodrigo Menezes <
rodrigomenezes12 at yahoo.com.br> wrote:

> Gaurav,
>
> We are talking about people within one or more years of inactivity. Yes,
> they exist, a lot!!!
>
> Cheers,
>
> Rodrigo Menezes
>
>
>
> De: fedora-ambassadors-list-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:
> fedora-ambassadors-list-bounces at redhat.com] Em nome de Gaurav Prabhu
> Enviada em: sexta-feira, 20 de fevereiro de 2009 15:26
> Para: fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com
> Assunto: Re: [Ambassadors] inactive ambassadors, a proposed solution
>
>
>
> --- On Thu, 19/2/09, Max Spevack <mspevack at redhat.com> wrote:
> From: Max Spevack <mspevack at redhat.com>
> Subject: [Ambassadors] inactive ambassadors, a proposed solution
> To: fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com
> Date: Thursday, 19 February, 2009, 11:34 AM
> The purpose of this email is to try to lay out a roadmap for solving, once
> and
> for all, the question of inactive Fedora Ambassadors.
>
> GOALS OF IDENTIFYING INACTIVE AMBASSADORS:
>
> (1) Housekeeping.  All projects need to have their membership rosters
> pruned
> from time to time.  In Ambassadors, this is particularly important because
> non-Fedora people might get in touch with Ambassadors, and if they don't
> receive a response, it looks like Fedora
>  is ignorning them.  Other sub-projects
> for which identifying inactive ambassadors are crucial is packaging.  If
> someone
> drops off the face of the earth, their packages need to be given to a new
> owner.
>
> Pages that need to a "refresh" policy:
>
> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/CountryList <-- I argue that
> CountryList is the wrong name for this page, and it should be called
> Directory.
>
> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/MembershipService/Verification
>
> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/Count <-- why do we even need
> this page?  Doesn't the CountryList page serve the same purpose?
>
> How often are these pages currently updated?  Is the process manual or
> automated, or a mixture of both?
>
>
> (2) Give a more prominent location to the "list of ambassadors per
> country".  That page should be the most visited page in all of Fedora
> Ambassadors.  People who are trying to find out
>  about Fedora should be visiting
> it, and Ambassadors who are looking for other Fedora folks near them should
> be
> visiting it.
>
> We should have something on fedoraproject.org that says "are you
> interested in Fedora?  Find a Fedora Ambassador near you to give you some
> information" and you type in your location, and it spits back a list of
> Ambassadors near you.
>
>
> (3) In order for any of (2) to be successful, we need to make sure that the
> people who are listed as Ambassadors are actually paying attention to the
> Ambassadors part of Fedora.  If someone is not, it doesn't mean that they
> are a bad person -- it just means that they don't want to have to deal with
> organizing events or asking questions from newbies to the project.
>
> I wouldn't be offended if someone removed me from the Fedora Infrastructure
> group in FAS, because *I DON'T DO ANYTHING WITH FEDORA INFRASTRUCTURE*.  It
> doesn't mean I'm a bad person or
>  not a Fedora contributor, it just means
> that I don't participate in that part of Fedora.
>
>
> HOW DO WE IDENTIFY ACTIVE AMBASSADORS?
>
> We come up with a policy that is simple, and fair.
>
> An active ambassador is someone who:
>
> 1) Has joined the group in FAS.
> 2) Reads and/or posts on fedora-ambassadors-list.
> 3) Has a useful, up-to-date personal page on the Fedora wiki.
>
> And does one or more of:
>
> * Attends or organizes an event once in a release cycle.
> * Maintains a blog on Planet Fedora, with about one post per month.
> * Participates on fedora-list or fedoraforum.org to help people w/
> questions.
> * Indicates their willingness to mentor and guide new contributors or new
> users.
>
>
> WHAT DO WE DO WITH INACTIVE AMBASSADORS?
>
> If someone is inactive, we *DO NOT* kick them out of the ambassadors group
> in
> FAS, and we *DO NOT* remove them from fedora-ambassadors list.
>
> But we should remove
>  them from the "directory of Ambassadors sorted by
> country", which I argue again needs to be much more visible and useful, so
> that those inactive Ambassadors aren't being asked to do public-facing
> things.
>
> When someone re-surfaces or has more time for Ambassadors, we put them back
> on
> the directory.
>
> ==================
>
> Flame me.
>
> --Max
>
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>
> Though I agree with you on some points, but still I feel removing them is
> not the way out.
> If they do not wish to contribute then it's their wish. Who are we to
> remove them from the list?
> Also people have their own set of hurdles, diffculties. Some people are
> under a bad patch of their life.
> Hence we cannot remove theme even if they do not post on mailing list. Take
> the example of myself, I just joined an month ago,
>  still haven't
> done anything since I do not have skills. I am still finding my foor in the
> Fedora community. Besides making some posts on the mailing list, I haven't
> done anything significant.
> So If I were to be removed, I would feel rejected & would develop a
> negative attitude towards Fedora community. Even though I wish to return, I
> won't return for sure.
> So I feel we should not be too strict. After all everybody loves Freedom.
>
> Regards,
> Gaurav Prabhu
>
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Marking as Inactive is a great idea. And they can re-sign CLA as told by Juan
M. Rodriguez Moreno to take active participation in the project once again.

regards ,

Shambo Bose
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