[Ambassadors] Re: inactive ambassadors, a proposed solution

gordon dunlop astrozubenel at googlemail.com
Sat Feb 21 00:44:08 UTC 2009

2009/2/20 Johan Hasan <johanhsn at gmail.com>

> Just want to say hi and let you know, that I am still exist :)

> We all exist as Fedora Ambassadors, by the the way this my first post on
> this mailing list as a U.K. Ambassador from Scotland. We all work behind the
> scenes promoting Fedora and Linux in general within our country and locality
> and just because we do not shout about it does not mean we are doing
> nothing. At the moment within the U.K. we are petitioning our government to
> adopt free and open software within education :
> http://petitions.number10.gov.uk/nonMSschool/sign

 Paul did say that we are not schoolboys and we should not be treated as
such so why do we have the high handedness within the Fedora Organisation.

Gordon Dunlop

> Johan Hasan
> Fedora Ambassador, Surabaya
> Indonesia.
> email: johanhsn at gmail.com
> yahoo messenger: johanhsn2000
> Rodrigo Menezes wrote:
>> Gaurav,
>> We are talking about people within one or more years of inactivity. Yes,
>> they exist, a lot!!!
>> Cheers,
>> Rodrigo Menezes
>> De: fedora-ambassadors-list-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:
>> fedora-ambassadors-list-bounces at redhat.com] Em nome de Gaurav Prabhu
>> Enviada em: sexta-feira, 20 de fevereiro de 2009 15:26
>> Para: fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com
>> Assunto: Re: [Ambassadors] inactive ambassadors, a proposed solution
>> --- On Thu, 19/2/09, Max Spevack <mspevack at redhat.com> wrote:
>> From: Max Spevack <mspevack at redhat.com>
>> Subject: [Ambassadors] inactive ambassadors, a proposed solution
>> To: fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com
>> Date: Thursday, 19 February, 2009, 11:34 AM
>> The purpose of this email is to try to lay out a roadmap for solving, once
>> and
>> for all, the question of inactive Fedora Ambassadors.
>> (1) Housekeeping.  All projects need to have their membership rosters
>> pruned
>> from time to time.  In Ambassadors, this is particularly important because
>> non-Fedora people might get in touch with Ambassadors, and if they don't
>> receive a response, it looks like Fedora
>>  is ignorning them.  Other sub-projects
>> for which identifying inactive ambassadors are crucial is packaging.  If
>> someone
>> drops off the face of the earth, their packages need to be given to a new
>> owner.
>> Pages that need to a "refresh" policy:
>> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/CountryList <-- I argue that
>> CountryList is the wrong name for this page, and it should be called
>> Directory.
>> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/MembershipService/Verification
>> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/Count <-- why do we even need
>> this page?  Doesn't the CountryList page serve the same purpose?
>> How often are these pages currently updated?  Is the process manual or
>> automated, or a mixture of both?
>> (2) Give a more prominent location to the "list of ambassadors per
>> country".  That page should be the most visited page in all of Fedora
>> Ambassadors.  People who are trying to find out
>>  about Fedora should be visiting
>> it, and Ambassadors who are looking for other Fedora folks near them
>> should be
>> visiting it.
>> We should have something on fedoraproject.org that says "are you
>> interested in Fedora?  Find a Fedora Ambassador near you to give you some
>> information" and you type in your location, and it spits back a list of
>> Ambassadors near you.
>> (3) In order for any of (2) to be successful, we need to make sure that
>> the
>> people who are listed as Ambassadors are actually paying attention to the
>> Ambassadors part of Fedora.  If someone is not, it doesn't mean that they
>> are a bad person -- it just means that they don't want to have to deal
>> with
>> organizing events or asking questions from newbies to the project.
>> I wouldn't be offended if someone removed me from the Fedora
>> Infrastructure
>>  It
>> doesn't mean I'm a bad person or
>>  not a Fedora contributor, it just means
>> that I don't participate in that part of Fedora.
>> We come up with a policy that is simple, and fair.
>> An active ambassador is someone who:
>> 1) Has joined the group in FAS.
>> 2) Reads and/or posts on fedora-ambassadors-list.
>> 3) Has a useful, up-to-date personal page on the Fedora wiki.
>> And does one or more of:
>> * Attends or organizes an event once in a release cycle.
>> * Maintains a blog on Planet Fedora, with about one post per month.
>> * Participates on fedora-list or fedoraforum.org to help people w/
>> questions.
>> * Indicates their willingness to mentor and guide new contributors or new
>> users.
>> If someone is inactive, we *DO NOT* kick them out of the ambassadors group
>> in
>> FAS, and we *DO NOT* remove them from fedora-ambassadors list.
>> But we should remove
>>  them from the "directory of Ambassadors sorted by
>> country", which I argue again needs to be much more visible and useful, so
>> that those inactive Ambassadors aren't being asked to do public-facing
>> things.
>> When someone re-surfaces or has more time for Ambassadors, we put them
>> back on
>> the directory.
>> ==================
>> Flame me.
>> --Max
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>> Though I agree with you on some points, but still I feel removing them is
>> not the way out.
>> If they do not wish to contribute then it's their wish. Who are we to
>> remove them from the list?
>> Also people have their own set of hurdles, diffculties. Some people are
>> under a bad patch of their life.
>> Hence we cannot remove theme even if they do not post on mailing list.
>> Take the example of myself, I just joined an month ago,
>>  still haven't
>> done anything since I do not have skills. I am still finding my foor in
>> the Fedora community. Besides making some posts on the mailing list, I
>> haven't done anything significant.
>> So If I were to be removed, I would feel rejected & would develop a
>> negative attitude towards Fedora community. Even though I wish to return, I
>> won't return for sure.
>> So I feel we should not be too strict. After all everybody loves Freedom.
>> Regards,
>> Gaurav Prabhu
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