[Ambassadors] Re: inactive ambassadors, a proposed solution

Sat Feb 21 03:36:48 UTC 2009

I agree with that. Just because we are not "reporting" on what were doing,
doesnt mean we are not here. I dont want this taken the wrong way, but on
top of work and school, and trying to interact with my parents and friends,
i have close to 0 free time. So it most likely wont be spent updating a wiki
page or trying to convience someone that im promoting Fedora.

2009/2/20 gordon dunlop <astrozubenel at googlemail.com>

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> 2009/2/20 Johan Hasan <johanhsn at gmail.com>
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>> Just want to say hi and let you know, that I am still exist :)
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>> We all exist as Fedora Ambassadors, by the the way this my first post on
>> this mailing list as a U.K. Ambassador from Scotland. We all work behind the
>> scenes promoting Fedora and Linux in general within our country and locality
>> and just because we do not shout about it does not mean we are doing
>> nothing. At the moment within the U.K. we are petitioning our government to
>> adopt free and open software within education :
>> http://petitions.number10.gov.uk/nonMSschool/sign
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>  Paul did say that we are not schoolboys and we should not be treated as
> such so why do we have the high handedness within the Fedora Organisation.
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> Gordon Dunlop
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>> Johan Hasan
>> Fedora Ambassador, Surabaya
>> Indonesia.
>> email: johanhsn at gmail.com
>> yahoo messenger: johanhsn2000
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>> Rodrigo Menezes wrote:
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>>> Gaurav,
>>>
>>> We are talking about people within one or more years of inactivity. Yes,
>>> they exist, a lot!!!
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>>
>>> Rodrigo Menezes
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> De: fedora-ambassadors-list-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:
>>> fedora-ambassadors-list-bounces at redhat.com] Em nome de Gaurav Prabhu
>>> Enviada em: sexta-feira, 20 de fevereiro de 2009 15:26
>>> Para: fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com
>>> Assunto: Re: [Ambassadors] inactive ambassadors, a proposed solution
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --- On Thu, 19/2/09, Max Spevack <mspevack at redhat.com> wrote:
>>> From: Max Spevack <mspevack at redhat.com>
>>> Subject: [Ambassadors] inactive ambassadors, a proposed solution
>>> To: fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com
>>> Date: Thursday, 19 February, 2009, 11:34 AM
>>> The purpose of this email is to try to lay out a roadmap for solving,
>>> once and
>>> for all, the question of inactive Fedora Ambassadors.
>>>
>>> GOALS OF IDENTIFYING INACTIVE AMBASSADORS:
>>>
>>> (1) Housekeeping.  All projects need to have their membership rosters
>>> pruned
>>> from time to time.  In Ambassadors, this is particularly important
>>> because
>>> non-Fedora people might get in touch with Ambassadors, and if they don't
>>> receive a response, it looks like Fedora
>>>  is ignorning them.  Other sub-projects
>>> for which identifying inactive ambassadors are crucial is packaging.  If
>>> someone
>>> drops off the face of the earth, their packages need to be given to a new
>>> owner.
>>>
>>> Pages that need to a "refresh" policy:
>>>
>>> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/CountryList <-- I argue that
>>> CountryList is the wrong name for this page, and it should be called
>>> Directory.
>>>
>>> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/MembershipService/Verification
>>>
>>> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/Count <-- why do we even need
>>> this page?  Doesn't the CountryList page serve the same purpose?
>>>
>>> How often are these pages currently updated?  Is the process manual or
>>> automated, or a mixture of both?
>>>
>>>
>>> (2) Give a more prominent location to the "list of ambassadors per
>>> country".  That page should be the most visited page in all of Fedora
>>> Ambassadors.  People who are trying to find out
>>>  about Fedora should be visiting
>>> it, and Ambassadors who are looking for other Fedora folks near them
>>> should be
>>> visiting it.
>>>
>>> We should have something on fedoraproject.org that says "are you
>>> interested in Fedora?  Find a Fedora Ambassador near you to give you some
>>> information" and you type in your location, and it spits back a list of
>>> Ambassadors near you.
>>>
>>>
>>> (3) In order for any of (2) to be successful, we need to make sure that
>>> the
>>> people who are listed as Ambassadors are actually paying attention to the
>>> Ambassadors part of Fedora.  If someone is not, it doesn't mean that they
>>> are a bad person -- it just means that they don't want to have to deal
>>> with
>>> organizing events or asking questions from newbies to the project.
>>>
>>> I wouldn't be offended if someone removed me from the Fedora
>>> Infrastructure
>>> group in FAS, because *I DON'T DO ANYTHING WITH FEDORA INFRASTRUCTURE*.
>>>  It
>>> doesn't mean I'm a bad person or
>>>  not a Fedora contributor, it just means
>>> that I don't participate in that part of Fedora.
>>>
>>>
>>> HOW DO WE IDENTIFY ACTIVE AMBASSADORS?
>>>
>>> We come up with a policy that is simple, and fair.
>>>
>>> An active ambassador is someone who:
>>>
>>> 1) Has joined the group in FAS.
>>> 2) Reads and/or posts on fedora-ambassadors-list.
>>> 3) Has a useful, up-to-date personal page on the Fedora wiki.
>>>
>>> And does one or more of:
>>>
>>> * Attends or organizes an event once in a release cycle.
>>> * Maintains a blog on Planet Fedora, with about one post per month.
>>> * Participates on fedora-list or fedoraforum.org to help people w/
>>> questions.
>>> * Indicates their willingness to mentor and guide new contributors or new
>>> users.
>>>
>>>
>>> WHAT DO WE DO WITH INACTIVE AMBASSADORS?
>>>
>>> If someone is inactive, we *DO NOT* kick them out of the ambassadors
>>> group in
>>> FAS, and we *DO NOT* remove them from fedora-ambassadors list.
>>>
>>> But we should remove
>>>  them from the "directory of Ambassadors sorted by
>>> country", which I argue again needs to be much more visible and useful,
>>> so
>>> that those inactive Ambassadors aren't being asked to do public-facing
>>> things.
>>>
>>> When someone re-surfaces or has more time for Ambassadors, we put them
>>> back on
>>> the directory.
>>>
>>> ==================
>>>
>>> Flame me.
>>>
>>> --Max
>>>
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>>>
>>> Though I agree with you on some points, but still I feel removing them is
>>> not the way out.
>>> If they do not wish to contribute then it's their wish. Who are we to
>>> remove them from the list?
>>> Also people have their own set of hurdles, diffculties. Some people are
>>> under a bad patch of their life.
>>> Hence we cannot remove theme even if they do not post on mailing list.
>>> Take the example of myself, I just joined an month ago,
>>>  still haven't
>>> done anything since I do not have skills. I am still finding my foor in
>>> the Fedora community. Besides making some posts on the mailing list, I
>>> haven't done anything significant.
>>> So If I were to be removed, I would feel rejected & would develop a
>>> negative attitude towards Fedora community. Even though I wish to return, I
>>> won't return for sure.
>>> So I feel we should not be too strict. After all everybody loves Freedom.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Gaurav Prabhu
>>>
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