[Ambassadors] FAmNA Meeting Minutes from 2009-01-13

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02:00 < inode0> FAmNA Meeting
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02:00 < inode0> Roll Call please
02:00  * lcafiero is Larry Cafiero
02:00  * ianweller appearing as himself
02:00 < ianweller> .wikiname ianweller
02:01 < ianweller> .list fedora
02:01 < zodbot> ianweller: branches, bug, ext, fas, fasinfo, fesco,
group, refresh, rel, swedish, ticket, what, whoowns, and wikilink
02:01 < ianweller> oh.
02:01 < ianweller> .wikilink ianweller
02:01 < zodbot> ianweller: [[User:Ianweller|Ian Weller]]
02:01 < inode0> djf_jeff: ping
02:01 < djf_jeff> .wikilink jfsaucier
02:01 < zodbot> djf_jeff: [[User:Jfsaucier|Jean-Francois Saucier]]
02:01 < inode0> welcome
02:02 < djf_jeff> my first meeting, happy to be with you!
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02:02  * DemonJester present
02:02 < inode0> ke4qqq and herlo?
02:02  * DemonJester has to leave in about 45 minutes though
02:03  * ianweller is eating dinner
02:03 < inode0> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Meeting:Ambassadors_2009-01-13
02:03  * inode0 hopes that meets with ianweller's approval
02:04  * ke4qqq is here
02:04 < inode0> There is one announcement listed from spevack ...
please read if you haven't and lcafiero may want to comment
02:04 < herlo> inode0: here but slightly unavailable
02:04 < ianweller> inode0: worksforme
02:04 < herlo> be available in 10mins at most
02:05 < inode0> that is fine herlo, thanks
02:05 < inode0> lcafiero: did you want to give us some thoughts about SCaLE?
02:06 < lcafiero> I do. But can I pass to have a chance to look at
spevack's message?
02:07 < lcafiero> Okay, sorry
02:07 < lcafiero> shall I go ahead, inode0?
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02:09 < lcafiero> Hearing no objection, I'll talk about SCaLE
02:10 < lcafiero> Both herlo and I spoke with the organizers at SCaLE
and it appears that we will have a FAD on Feb. 21 (the Friday before
SCaLE)
02:10 < lcafiero> What precipitated this was an e-mail from spevack
which some of you may have seen on the list. Also, agendized was
spevack's e-mail to the fedora board here
https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-advisory-board/2009-January/msg00017.html
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02:12  * jds2001 here, sorry im late
02:12 < lcafiero> In any case, I'll be coordinating FADs at SCaLE and
Linux Fest Northwest, unless someone closer to Washington wants to
carry the ball on the latter.
02:13 < lcafiero> What we will need -- and I think the e-mails on list
regarding the issue deal with them -- is a program
02:13 < lcafiero> And funding
02:13 < jds2001> what groups do we involve?
02:13 < lcafiero> And barring any questions, that's about the size of it.
02:13 < jds2001> ke4qqq and I were talking about packaging
02:13 < lcafiero> herlo has a pretty good handle on that part of it.
02:13 < jds2001> in order to reduce the backlog of reviews.
02:14 < lcafiero> (if our conversations with SCaLE are any indication)
02:14 < tibbs|h> Someone mention package reviews?
02:14 < jds2001> tibbs|h: :)
02:14  * herlo is here
02:15 < jds2001> tibbs|h: what we want is to get a FAD together in
order to get sponsors in the smae room to work on the backlog.
02:15 < jds2001> is that a reasonable thing?
02:15 < tibbs|h> Forgive me; what's FAD?
02:15 < lcafiero> I think that could be part of it, and something
herlo mentioned today with SCaLE
02:15  * ke4qqq thinks so
02:15 < lcafiero> I think
02:15 < jds2001> a "Fedora Activity Day"
02:15 < lcafiero> FAD = Fedora Activity Day
02:15 < tibbs|h> Ah.
02:15 < ke4qqq> but then I have a vested interest.
02:15 < jds2001> kinda like a mini-FUDCon that's quite focused.
02:16 < tibbs|h> Honestly I would have tried that at the fudcon
hackfests had I not been so ill.
02:16 < lcafiero> As spevack has outlined it, probably micro FUDCon
may be more accurate, but with a lot of them
02:16 < tibbs|h> We've done it before and it has worked, though not to
the degree I would have liked.
02:16 < djf_jeff> I personally like the idea of FAD, the goal is
really clear and targeted
02:17 < lcafiero> question to djf_jeff
02:18 < tibbs|h> Anyway, anything that helps review packages is great.
02:18 < lcafiero> djf_jeff, did you say there was an event where your're at?
02:18 < lcafiero> *you're
02:19 < tibbs|h> I won't be there (unless someone wants to fly me
there) but I'm happy to hang around on IRC whenever people are meeting
and answer questions.
02:19 < djf_jeff> lcafiero: I think that is the next point of the
meeting after the FAD discussion
02:19 < lcafiero> Oh, got it.
02:20 < tibbs|h> Feel free to ping me if I can do anythin.
02:20 < jds2001> lcafiero: when are we doing packaging?
02:20  * DemonJester steps away for a few minutes
02:20 < jds2001> i think having tibbs|h would be invaluable :)
02:20 < jds2001> he's the head of the review SIG
02:21 < lcafiero> jds2001: good question. I don't know.
02:21 < jds2001> so we should budget to get him to whereever and
whenever we do it.
02:22 < lcafiero> jds2001, if you mean which FAD, we can schedule it for SCaLE
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02:22  * lcafiero may be having problems with irc -- anyone else?
02:23 < jds2001> not i
02:23 < djf_jeff> Small question, is there a plan to make FAD
available on the net, ex: a irc channel, a wiki page with a todo list,
etc, so people not able to make it can contribute?
02:23  * DemonJester is back
02:23 < tibbs|h> I just looked up SCaLE, though, and I'm unfortunately
occupied that weekend.
02:23 < tibbs|h> If indeed it's Feb 20-22.
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02:24 < jds2001> it is. :(
02:24 < herlo> it is
02:24 < tibbs|h> Have to run now, though; back in 12 minutes.
02:24 < jds2001> maybe do it at LFNW instead?
02:24 < lcafiero> djf_jeff, it/they could be, but I think by nature --
with there being a lot of them and regional, etc., it may not have to
be
02:24 < inode0> sigh
02:24  * djf_jeff is sorry for his english skills, french is my native
language, try to do the best!
02:24 < lcafiero> but that's my opinion, not fact.
02:25 < jds2001> djf_jeff: you're doing fine :)
02:25 < djf_jeff> lcafiero: I understand
02:25 < ke4qqq> djf_jeff: yes we can do that, but honestly it's not
like being isolated from things going on in your normal life, which is
hard to do if you are right there with them.
02:25 < lcafiero> If we have the resources, we could do what was done
at FUDCon, and I think herlo had a hand in that.
02:25 < ke4qqq> moonwalk?
02:25 < DemonJester> lol
02:25 < herlo> heh
02:26 < ke4qqq> lcafiero: what are you talking about?
02:26 < jds2001> audio streaming, i think
02:26 < herlo> ambkits would be my guess
02:26 < ke4qqq> see what I mean
02:26  * lcafiero is responding to djf_jeff who asked if there was
going to be a video feed, etc.
02:27 < ke4qqq> ahhhh sorry
02:27  * herlo isn't where he's supposed to be
02:28 < djf_jeff> not necessarily a video feed, but more a way to
participate on specific goal in the FAD without being there physically
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02:28 < djf_jeff> but I know it's not really the point of FAD
02:30 < ke4qqq> djf_jeff: yeah so the added benefit to FAD is lack of
distractions or increased focus
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02:31 < djf_jeff> yeah, effectively, it remove a good advantage of the FAD
02:32 < lcafiero> So at this point I think we should nail down what we
want to accomplish at SCaLE
02:32 < lcafiero> Not tonight, maybe, but hash it out on list
02:33 < lcafiero> and I know there has already been discussion on list
and here about what to schedule.
02:35 < inode0> sorry I am having problems tonight guys
02:36  * lcafiero is also
02:36 < crossbytes> same . it took 4 times to log in
02:37 < lcafiero> Is anyone else having trouble? my irc tends to be .
. . choppy is a good way to describe it.
02:37 < jds2001> no trouble at all.
02:37 < djf_jeff> it seems to be good here
02:37  * lcafiero uses xchat and gets laughed at by his esteemed colleagues.
02:37 < inode0> I mostly have not been here and have no idea where we are
02:37  * jds2001 uses irssi on my vps
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02:37 < lcafiero> I think we're finished with SCaLE and ready to go on
to the next item
02:38 < inode0> jds2001: could you send me the log after the meeting
since I did not capture it tonigh
02:38 < jds2001> inode0: sure
02:39 < inode0> so next would be Montreal, please start on that djf_jeff
02:39 < djf_jeff> ok, I have seen in the previous meetings minutes
that there is a call for an Ambassador to do something at the Montreal
Linux Symposium, what is the plan?
02:39 < ke4qqq> djf_jeff: the plan
02:40 < ke4qqq> is for us to find someone to run it
02:40 < ke4qqq> which thus far we have failed at
02:40 < DemonJester> preferably someone local
02:40 < inode0> we are looking for you to make our plan :)
02:41 < djf_jeff> inode0: ;) good, but this being my first meeting, I
don't really know what to plan!
02:41 < inode0> well, run something - could be a FAD, could be something else
02:41 < djf_jeff> ah ok, good
02:41 < inode0> something for fedora at MLS
02:41 < ke4qqq> djf_jeff: we can help you with that - we really just
need someone on the ground to help
02:42 < inode0> are there booths at MLS?
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02:42 < djf_jeff> I cannot confirm my presence tonight, I need to see
with my employer what can be done for the Symposium dates, I can
return in a future meeting about that
02:42 < ke4qqq> probably, but they wanted a hackfest as well.....
02:42 < lcafiero> Or check in on the e-mail list?
02:42 < ke4qqq> djf_jeff: mailing list may be easier
02:43 < inode0> they basically were offering us space to use how we want
02:43 < djf_jeff> ke4qqq: ambassador list?
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02:44  * lcafiero is still here
02:44 < ke4qqq> djf_jeff: yes
02:44 < herlo> hi
02:44 < ke4qqq> hola herlo
02:44 < herlo> I've been lurking
02:45 < inode0> djf_jeff: we could use some help generally with Canada I think
02:45 < lcafiero> +1
02:45 < djf_jeff> I will be glad to offer it the best I can
02:46 < inode0> great, thanks
02:46 < inode0> so we are going to continue with MLS on the f-a-l?
02:47 < lcafiero> +1
02:47 < djf_jeff> +1, I have take a note to check my availability for
the dates and to think what we can do there
02:47 < inode0> That is great djf_jeff
02:47 < inode0> Anyone have anything to report related to FUDcon?
02:47 < ke4qqq> djf_jeff: where are you at in CA?
02:48 < herlo> djf_jeff: put yerself on our regions page :)
02:48 < herlo> ke4qqq: can give you the link
02:48  * ianweller has a bad want to respond to inode0's query with
"What you missed at FUDConF11" from ianweller.org
02:48 < djf_jeff> there?
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/CountryList#NorthernAmerica
02:48 < herlo> no
02:49 < djf_jeff> I am from Quebec City
02:49 < ke4qqq> ianweller: so did I
02:49 < inode0> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/NA/Regions
02:49 < herlo> djf_jeff: always use https on fp.o otherwise you can't edit
02:50 < ianweller> i have a greasemonkey script to make sure fp.o/wiki
is always on https. i should fix it and post it sometime.
02:51 < djf_jeff> ok it's done
02:52 < inode0> fine, moving on them
02:52 < inode0> then
02:52 < herlo> ianweller: u should
02:52 < inode0> how to proceed with scheduling meetings? is everyone
here agreeable to herlo's suggestion?
02:53 < ke4qqq> which was?
02:53 < herlo> biweekly?
02:53 < inode0> 2nd Tue and 4th Thu was it?
02:53 < jds2001> we tend to use an hour every week!
02:53 < jds2001> how can we go biweekly???
02:53 < herlo> we can
02:53  * lcafiero thought there was a Saturday involved, but he could be wrong
02:54 < herlo> that was a suggestion
02:54 < jds2001> we'll still be meeting at 3AM, oh well :)
02:54 < lcafiero> got it
02:54  * ke4qqq argues that it should be the same day/time regardless
of frequency
02:54 < herlo> but sat/sun generally is harder for some
02:54  * jds2001 too, I couldn't possibly keep track.
02:54  * DemonJester agrees with ke4qqq
02:54 < inode0> you guys don't have calendars?
02:54 < djf_jeff> +1 for ke4qqq
02:55 < jds2001> nope
02:55 < DemonJester> yes but also personal lives as well
02:55 < lcafiero> jds2001, in the best of all possible worlds, much
can be hashed out on the list
02:55 < herlo> ke4qqq: I'll remind you
02:55 < lcafiero> but you do have a good point re time
02:55  * DemonJester asks herlo to remind me as well
02:55 < herlo> the problem qith the same day is that it fails to
involve others who can't make tuesdays
02:55 < herlo> demonjester: I'll remind everyone :)
02:56  * ke4qqq is familiar with the problem
02:56 < ke4qqq> but also reminds herlo of his comment - those who want
to will show up
02:56 < inode0> ke4qqq: what precisely would you propose
02:56 < herlo> ke4qqq: hehe, sure
02:57 < herlo> ke4qqq: I've since been convinced
02:57 < herlo> that others can help more :)
02:57 < ke4qqq> IF the group of people who show up regularly decide
that they want to move it - move it to a different day that stays the
same all of the time
02:57 < ke4qqq> so if you do Thursday at 3am, each meeting stays at thursday
02:57 < herlo> and since I can make both (most likely) it's good
02:58 < ke4qqq> frequency is a different issue.
02:58 < inode0> ok, those who show up seem content to me
02:58 < crossbytes> the thing that i noticed in fal is that the only
people commenting is the people that go to the Tu meeting...
02:58 < inode0> and one person who can't
02:58 < herlo> ke4qqq: what if we try it for 2-4 months to see?
02:59 < ke4qqq> ohhh interesting observation
02:59 < inode0> two people who can't
02:59 < ke4qqq> so are we talking about a single person wanting to
move it? seems like Tuesday works for most of us?
02:59 < herlo> inode0: max?
03:00 < inode0> and the guy who raised this last year
03:00 < ke4qqq> Max doesn't count - he isn't in NA, and he is from RH
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03:00 < djf_jeff> personally, I cannot attend on Thu for the moment
(both personal reasons and because of the Quebec LUG)
03:00 < inode0> I'm sorry, any FAmSCo member who wants to come to our
meetings counts in my book
03:00 < ke4qqq> we are NOT adjusting schedule fro a @RH person.
03:00 < herlo> ke4qqq: I dont think it was suggested to accommodate
one other but rather as an opportunity to spread our wings
03:00 < ke4qqq> that's the opposite of how it should be
03:01 < jds2001> ke4qqq: but if I were in the netherlands temporarily
would you adjust the schedule for me?
03:01 < ke4qqq> no
03:01 < inode0> and the proposed time suggested by herlo does not
accommodate max anyway
03:01 < herlo> I'm not moving for any one person, @rh or not..
03:01 < ke4qqq> jds2001: I'd tell you to get involved with EMEA
03:01 < jds2001> if I already am?
03:01 < ke4qqq> while you were there
03:01 < inode0> timeout
03:02 < inode0> we aren't adjusting the schedule for max
03:02 < herlo> I'm interested in seeing who else might attend if we
had two available days
03:02 < ke4qqq> then great - I am not changing the schedule to
accomodate one person not in the region for a year.
03:02 < inode0> while we are adjusting the schedule I think we should
consider max
03:02 < ke4qqq> We've asked, and per crossbytes gotten one response
other than Max.
03:02  * DemonJester thinks is will be the same that attend now
03:02 < inode0> if it doesn't work out it doesn't work out
03:02 < ke4qqq> what does it cost us if it fails?
03:02 < herlo> are we adjusting the schedule?  ke4qqq seems adamant we shouldn't
03:03  * ke4qqq isn't saying that at all
03:03  * herlo wants to see what will happen if we try it
03:03  * ke4qqq is saying we shouldn't adjust to accomodate Max's schedule.
03:03 < herlo> and we're not
03:03 < inode0> Here is what I'm going to propose tonight - the rest
of this quarter we move to 1st and 3rd Tue at the same time
03:03 < ke4qqq> I am happy to consider other times and frequencies
03:03 < crossbytes> my 2 cents .. i do not think we should adjust but
adding an extra day a month to test the theory out might be good..
03:04 < inode0> Beginning in Mar those who want it different can make
their case on f-a-l?!
03:04 < inode0> Or in time to begin in Mar?
03:04 < herlo> crossbytes, I could go for that
03:05  * ke4qqq likes inode0's idea - but thinks we should prolly look
at it as we proceed.
03:05 < ke4qqq> herlo: are your reminders still going out?
03:05 < herlo> ke4qqq: I didnt do it tonight but yeah
03:05  * ke4qqq thought it was automated
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03:06 < herlo> nope
03:06 < ke4qqq> inode0 has made a proposal, thoughts? flames? comments?
03:06 < herlo> though it can be.  I might ask for resources to make it automatic
03:07 < lcafiero> +1 to inode0
03:07 < herlo> I say we do both inode0's and crossbytes ideas
03:07 < djf_jeff> +1, I think we can test the proposal
03:07  * lcafiero can go for that, too
03:07 < DemonJester> I think we should do one or the other personaly
03:07 < ke4qqq> +1 from me too
03:07 < DemonJester> personally..
03:07 < herlo> run 1st and 3rd Tues and 4th Thurs
03:07 < ke4qqq> DemonJester: why is that?
03:07 < inode0> I don't know if a one off meeting is a fair test but
I'm game to try it
03:08 < DemonJester> are we not talking about bi weekly?
03:08 < inode0> why stop there? how about a weekend during the day too?
03:08  * herlo will check his calendar to make sure those dates werq
03:08 < herlo> inode0 feel free
03:08 < inode0> how about someone/anyone who wants it changed propose
a time to test rather than us doing it?
03:09  * lcafiero will be away from the keyboard for a few minutes --
dinner is on the table.
03:09 < ke4qqq> well the thing is - historically non-same day/time
meetings have failed....regardless of organization - people are
creatures of habit.
03:09 < herlo> inode0: I thought you proposed it :)
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03:09 < ke4qqq> herlo: no he proposed changing frequency
03:09 < inode0> and I suspect half of us won't show up at any other
time for a one off meeting
03:09 < ke4qqq> not date
03:09 < DemonJester> ke4qqq: I missed herlo's message of 1st and 3rd
tues and 4th thurs.
03:09 < inode0> but we would if that were the real meeting time
03:10 < herlo> thus my request to try it for a few months
03:10 < inode0> oh, I misunderstood - ok
03:10 < inode0> thought just try it one week
03:10 < ke4qqq> same 3 month time period?
03:11 < herlo> sure
03:11 < herlo> why not
03:11 < inode0> let's run the test in Q1 and iron it out on f-a-l?
03:11 < inode0> mainly we need a time that makes whoever isn't coming happy
03:11 < herlo> so we're not doing any of this until q1?
03:12  * herlo was planning on starting asap
03:12 < inode0> I'd like to go to 1st and 3rd Tue for the rest of Q4
03:12 < inode0> we have a guest already scheduled for 1st Tue next month
03:12 < crossbytes> is the q1 q2 .. fiscal?
03:12 < herlo> no
03:12  * DemonJester apologizes but I need to leave. I will go with
whatever you guys decide. Just remind me herlo ;)
03:12  * herlo has to go
03:13 < jds2001> herlo: yes it is
03:13 < jds2001> herlo: red hat's fiscal year
03:13 < djf_jeff> yeah, because normally, we are already in Q1
03:13 < jds2001> March 1 - Feb 28 is Red Hat's fiscal year.
03:13 < inode0> fiscal year starts in March
03:13 < jds2001> so we're in fiscal Q4 right now.
03:13 < inode0> so we are in Q4 now
03:13 < djf_jeff> a ok, based on Red Hat fiscal
03:13 < inode0> yes
03:14 < crossbytes> can i suggest to put that on the FAD and Events wiki
03:14 < inode0> So I'm suggesting we finish out this month and next
with a couple of weeks off and start something new in March
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03:15 < inode0> or decide to not start something new, either way
03:15 < jds2001> we alredy have mmcgrath lined up.
03:16 < inode0> yes, 1st Tue in Feb
03:16 < inode0> it is on his schedule and I think we should keep that meeting
03:16 < inode0> no matter what else we do
03:17 < ke4qqq> +1
03:17 < jds2001> and why would we otherwise take a month hiatus????
03:17 < djf_jeff> +1 for 1st and 3rd Tue for the moment
03:19 < inode0> I'll post to f-a-l the plan, that we are basically
happy with Tue, and ask anyone wishing to change it to propose a good
time and we'll schedule a test drive in March?!
03:19 < jds2001> sure
03:19 < crossbytes> +1
03:19 < ke4qqq> +1
03:20 < djf_jeff> ok, and do we change anything for the moment?
03:20 < inode0> we will immediately go to 1st and 3rd Tue I think if I
understand
03:20 < ke4qqq> inode0: you are the one stating the plan so I hope you
understand
03:20 < ke4qqq> :)
03:21 < inode0> If I don't ke4qqq can explain my plan to me later
03:21 < inode0> let's go to tasks now
03:22 < inode0> anyone do their contact speakers bits?
03:22 < inode0> if not I'll change next report date to the 20th
03:23 < inode0> ambassador kit creation report is due after FUDcon
03:23 < inode0> I think we say done?
03:23 < jds2001> ambkits were created.
03:23 < ke4qqq> +1
03:23 < ke4qqq> and shipped out
03:23 < inode0> will move to completed
03:24 < inode0> event box task - shall we see about extra funds going
to buy one of these in Q4
03:24 < ke4qqq> we should
03:25 < inode0> I'll task myself with doing that too
03:25 < inode0> it is late but are there any open floor things for this evening?
03:25  * ke4qqq has one
03:26 < ke4qqq> or two actually
03:26 < inode0> ke4qqq has the floor until he yields
03:26 < ke4qqq> ok....1.
03:27 < ke4qqq> we have begun the process for evaluating npo status or
umbrella - SFLC has assigned us pro bono counsel
03:27 < ke4qqq> that is all for number 1
03:27 < ke4qqq> updates will follow as known
03:28 < inode0> question: who is we?
03:28 < inode0> since I know nothing about this
03:28 < ke4qqq> essentially FAMNA
03:28 < ke4qqq> we talked about it at FADNA
03:28 < ke4qqq> and said we would explore it
03:28 < ke4qqq> so rather than our amateur minds trying to do so
03:29 < ke4qqq> a guy at fudcon who works for SFLC has hooked us up with SFLC
03:29 < ke4qqq> to help us evaluate our options
03:29 < ke4qqq> and determine the least risky way.
03:29 -!- nman64 is now known as nman64_away
03:29 < jds2001> remy is a good guy.
03:29 < ke4qqq> whether that be under the Software Freedom Conservancy
03:29 < ke4qqq> or on our own
03:29 < ke4qqq> and in what state if necessary
03:29 < inode0> this should be documented on the wiki
03:29 < ke4qqq> yeah REMY is
03:29 < ke4qqq> Greg suggested that I not
03:30 < inode0> sigh, I'll shut up for tonight
03:30 < ke4qqq> not that we want to hide it from the community - but
he said we don't want to get RH legal involved
03:30 < ke4qqq> until we have our stuff done
03:30  * herlo is back now
03:31 < ke4qqq> he suggested that we follow EMEA's lead.
03:31 < ke4qqq> and 'just do it'
03:31 < ke4qqq> ready for #2?
03:31 < ke4qqq> or more questions?
03:31 < herlo> is this stuff going to be on the irc log?
03:32 < jds2001> sure
03:32 < ke4qqq> yes
03:32 < ke4qqq> but that's only posted to the FAL list
03:32 < ke4qqq> which requires membership to view
03:32 < herlo> okay, just wondered if we have a concern there is all
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03:32 < ke4qqq> and to the Meeting: namespace which isn't in default search
03:32 < ke4qqq> anything else?
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03:33 < ke4qqq> ready for 2?
03:33 < jds2001> dutr
03:33 < ke4qqq> dutr?
03:33 < jds2001> sure
03:33  * jds2001 cant type
03:33 < ke4qqq> 2: OLPC has recently layed off almost ALL of their
engineering staff
03:33 < ke4qqq> and they will be relying on the community for a LOT of work
03:33 < ke4qqq> and by community I mean Fedora
03:34 < ke4qqq> so I pitched that OLPC should let FAMNA handle XO
developer program (the way developers get XOs) and that we use that as
a tool to rapidly increase OLPC contributor numbers.
03:35 < inode0> no, it doesn't require anything to view
03:35 < jds2001> huh?
03:35 < ke4qqq> Greg seconded the idea ......sooo hopefully we'll see
what they say in a day or so.
03:35 < inode0> f-a-l is open to read
03:35 < ke4qqq> no it isn't
03:36 < ke4qqq> is it?
03:36 < jds2001> yes it is :)
03:36 < ke4qqq> ahhh well
03:36 < jds2001> it's not a big worry, I'm sure.
03:36 < inode0> and this should not be done in secret
03:36 < inode0> I doubt Red Hat legal reads it
03:36 < ke4qqq> it's not being done in secret - I just told
everyone...we just aren't telling the lawyers
03:36 < ke4qqq> we've openly talked about it at FADNA
03:36 < crossbytes> can you post there answer to the list about the XO
03:37 < ke4qqq> crossbytes: absolutely
03:37  * jds2001 is gonna do some 8.2.1 testing soonish.
03:37  * ke4qqq has 8.2.1 loaded and likes the improvements.
03:37 < jds2001> have the files downloaded, might put it on tonight.
03:38 < djf_jeff> ke4qqq: what is the percentage of stuff done by the
Fedora community in the XO project? do you have any numbers?
03:38 < ke4qqq> djf_jeff: prevoiously they just used our bits....
03:38 < jds2001> most packages aare ours.
03:38 < jds2001> there's a very few branched for olpc-4
03:39 < ke4qqq> djf_jeff: in the future - we'll essentially do all of
the QA, packaging, virtually everything.....they have only one
engineer left at OLPC
03:39 < jds2001> [jstanley at rugrat ~]$ koji list-tagged dist-olpc4 | wc -l
03:39 < jds2001> 42
03:39 < ke4qqq> jds2001: right, and they are working at reducing those
03:39 < djf_jeff> thank you, seems like a good opportunity for the
Fedora community
03:39 < ke4qqq> indeed!
03:41 < ke4qqq> eof from me unless there are any other questions.
03:41  * lcafiero is back
03:42 < inode0> anything else from anyone?
03:42 < djf_jeff> not for me
03:42 < lcafiero> nor me
03:42  * jds2001 has one thing
03:42 < inode0> go ahead please
03:43 < jds2001> i *might* be doing a presentatiaon next wednesday for ~50
03:43 < ke4qqq> cool!
03:43 < jds2001> depnds on if they need me :)
03:43 < jds2001> the other speaker could fall through at NYLUG
03:43 < ke4qqq> what do you need from us?
03:44 < jds2001> nothing i dont think, just FYI
03:44 < jds2001> I got an ambkit at fudcon.]
03:44 < ke4qqq> jds2001: on the event page yet?
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03:44 < jds2001> not yet confirmed.
03:45 < ianweller> oh god, we've broken back into the tradition of
105-minute meetings again?
03:45 < herlo> longest meeting evar!!!
03:45 < inode0> sadly
03:46 < jds2001> this is why i have reservations about every other week :)
03:46 < inode0> but that means we have things to talk about which
isn't all bad :)
03:46  * jds2001 will still be up at 3AM eastern meeting!
03:46 < inode0> won't happen jds2001 - we'll type faster
03:46 < ke4qqq> lol
03:46 < inode0> we will meet next week again ...
03:46  * ke4qqq twice monthly meetings come with speedtyping lessons
03:47 < ke4qqq> :)
03:47 < lcafiero> heh
03:47 < inode0> let's wrap this one - thanks everyone and welcome djf_jeff
03:47 < inode0> 5
03:47 < inode0> 4
03:47 < lcafiero> bienvenue djf_jeff
03:47 < inode0> 3
03:47 < djf_jeff> thank you!
03:47 < inode0> 2
03:47 < inode0> 1
03:47 < herlo> welcom djf_jeff
03:47 < inode0> EOF