From wtogami at redhat.com Mon Apr 3 22:21:39 2006 From: wtogami at redhat.com (Warren Togami) Date: Mon, 03 Apr 2006 18:21:39 -0400 Subject: License for Community Contributed Art? Message-ID: <44319FF3.9070806@redhat.com> Hi Greg, Currently all Bluecurve theme art contained in Fedora is under the GPL. This however might not be the best license for art contributions to Fedora. Karsten Wade suggested maybe the OPL that we use for Fedora Documentation would be good for Fedora Art. Tango Project is using CC attribution share-alike license. Could you please talk to legal and figure out the best license for Fedora Art contributions? And do we want Bluecurve to remain under the GPL? Some art contributors were interested in submitting new icons in the Bluecurve theme, so we need to think about how we handle this as we grow the art community. Thanks, Warren Togami wtogami at redhat.com From gdk at redhat.com Mon Apr 3 23:44:57 2006 From: gdk at redhat.com (Greg DeKoenigsberg) Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2006 19:44:57 -0400 (EDT) Subject: License for Community Contributed Art? In-Reply-To: <44319FF3.9070806@redhat.com> References: <44319FF3.9070806@redhat.com> Message-ID: Propose an idea and let's get legal's stance on it. Propose a specific license, and why you think it is or isn't good. It's really better not to go to legal with open-ended questions. Figure out the answer that *you* want to get, and we'll fight to make it happen. --g ------------------------------------------------------------- Greg DeKoenigsberg || Fedora Project || fedoraproject.org Be an Ambassador || http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors ------------------------------------------------------------- On Mon, 3 Apr 2006, Warren Togami wrote: > Hi Greg, > > Currently all Bluecurve theme art contained in Fedora is under the GPL. > This however might not be the best license for art contributions to > Fedora. Karsten Wade suggested maybe the OPL that we use for Fedora > Documentation would be good for Fedora Art. Tango Project is using CC > attribution share-alike license. > > Could you please talk to legal and figure out the best license for > Fedora Art contributions? > > And do we want Bluecurve to remain under the GPL? Some art contributors > were interested in submitting new icons in the Bluecurve theme, so we > need to think about how we handle this as we grow the art community. > > Thanks, > Warren Togami > wtogami at redhat.com > From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Tue Apr 4 06:21:57 2006 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2006 09:21:57 +0300 Subject: License for Community Contributed Art? In-Reply-To: <44319FF3.9070806@redhat.com> References: <44319FF3.9070806@redhat.com> Message-ID: <44321085.4070708@nicubunu.ro> Warren Togami wrote: > Hi Greg, > > Currently all Bluecurve theme art contained in Fedora is under the GPL. > This however might not be the best license for art contributions to > Fedora. Karsten Wade suggested maybe the OPL that we use for Fedora > Documentation would be good for Fedora Art. Tango Project is using CC > attribution share-alike license. > > Could you please talk to legal and figure out the best license for > Fedora Art contributions? How 'Fedora Art contributions' are defined? Only the graphics included in the distro or all the graphics one can contribute, like web banners, buttons, optional wallpapers, screencasts, CD covers, t-shirt templates etc.? For the second option, try to find something 1. easy to understand 2. with a low barrier to entry. Usually graphics people are not experienced hackers, requiring them to use the Fedora Account System can be a show stopper. Look at Tango Project: a CC license so everyone can understand it and an easy way to contribute. Look also at art.gnome.org. Outside FOSS world, look at www.deviantart.com. > And do we want Bluecurve to remain under the GPL? Some art contributors > were interested in submitting new icons in the Bluecurve theme, so we > need to think about how we handle this as we grow the art community. Are there solid arguments for Bluecurve to NOT remain under GPL? Is this a good opportunity to ask about the future of Bluecurve? For a large period of time its development was almost stopped, it covers now only a tiny portion of the desktop, so it would need to either receive serious attention and heavy development (Bluecurve 2 ?) or to be dropped for another set which is actively maintained (Tango ?). -- nicu my hats collection: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/hats/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From dwnichols at charter.net Tue Apr 4 15:14:32 2006 From: dwnichols at charter.net (dwnichols at charter.net) Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2006 8:14:32 -0700 Subject: CD Artwork Message-ID: <14295385.1144163672185.JavaMail.root@fepweb05> Hello Everyone- I just browsed through the wiki and could not find any references to downloadable artwork for CD labels. Did I miss them or are you looking for someone to create them? The Distribution page of the wiki says "There is no standard regarding the preparation of media or packaging." Is this in the works as well? I know this is probably a question for the people in Marketing, but the individuals who are generating the artwork should have knowledge of, and a say in, any standard that affects artwork. TIA- Dave From dfong at redhat.com Tue Apr 4 16:06:38 2006 From: dfong at redhat.com (Diana Fong) Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2006 12:06:38 -0400 Subject: CD Artwork In-Reply-To: <14295385.1144163672185.JavaMail.root@fepweb05> References: <14295385.1144163672185.JavaMail.root@fepweb05> Message-ID: <1144166798.26706.20.camel@marshall.boston.redhat.com> Hi Dave... We are currently working on making Fedora graphics available on the site. For now...I can provide you with the images via email. What format would you like it in? By the way, please also view our guidelines and policies at http://fedora.redhat.com/About/legal/trademarks/ Diana On Tue, 2006-04-04 at 11:59 -0400, dwnichols at charter.net wrote: > Hello Everyone- > > I just browsed through the wiki and could not find any references to downloadable artwork for CD labels. Did I miss them or are you looking for someone to create them? > > The Distribution page of the wiki says "There is no standard regarding the preparation of media or packaging." Is this in the works as well? I know this is probably a question for the people in Marketing, but the individuals who are generating the artwork should have knowledge of, and a say in, any standard that affects artwork. > > TIA- > Dave > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list > From nman64 at n-man.com Tue Apr 4 17:58:32 2006 From: nman64 at n-man.com (Patrick Barnes) Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2006 11:58:32 -0600 Subject: License for Community Contributed Art? In-Reply-To: <44321085.4070708@nicubunu.ro> References: <44319FF3.9070806@redhat.com> <44321085.4070708@nicubunu.ro> Message-ID: <200604041258.35593.nman64@n-man.com> On Tuesday 04 April 2006 01:21, Nicu Buculei wrote: > Warren Togami wrote: > > Hi Greg, > > > > Currently all Bluecurve theme art contained in Fedora is under the GPL. > > This however might not be the best license for art contributions to > > Fedora. Karsten Wade suggested maybe the OPL that we use for Fedora > > Documentation would be good for Fedora Art. Tango Project is using CC > > attribution share-alike license. > > > > Could you please talk to legal and figure out the best license for > > Fedora Art contributions? > > How 'Fedora Art contributions' are defined? Only the graphics included > in the distro or all the graphics one can contribute, like web banners, > buttons, optional wallpapers, screencasts, CD covers, t-shirt templates > etc.? All artwork, whether included in the distribution or not, will need to be covered by the same license. > For the second option, try to find something 1. easy to understand 2. > with a low barrier to entry. Usually graphics people are not experienced > hackers, requiring them to use the Fedora Account System can be a show > stopper. The Account System will not be optional. We require the CLA for licensing, and no exceptions to this can be made. We all want to streamline the process and make it easier for new contributors to complete, but that will take time. -- Patrick "The N-Man" Barnes nman64 at n-man.com http://www.n-man.com/ Have I been helpful? Rate my assistance! http://rate.affero.net/nman64/ -- -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 191 bytes Desc: not available URL: From nman64 at n-man.com Tue Apr 4 18:02:37 2006 From: nman64 at n-man.com (Patrick Barnes) Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2006 12:02:37 -0600 Subject: CD Artwork In-Reply-To: <14295385.1144163672185.JavaMail.root@fepweb05> References: <14295385.1144163672185.JavaMail.root@fepweb05> Message-ID: <200604041302.40908.nman64@n-man.com> On Tuesday 04 April 2006 10:14, dwnichols at charter.net wrote: > Hello Everyone- > > I just browsed through the wiki and could not find any references to > downloadable artwork for CD labels. Did I miss them or are you looking for > someone to create them? Such artwork is forthcoming, but not yet available. > > The Distribution page of the wiki says "There is no standard regarding the > preparation of media or packaging." Is this in the works as well? I know > this is probably a question for the people in Marketing, but the > individuals who are generating the artwork should have knowledge of, and a > say in, any standard that affects artwork. > We are not expecting to standardize these. Artwork may eventually be created for some types of packaging, but no requirements are anticipated, except for those made by the Trademark Guidelines. We do want to give distributors as much flexibility as possible to use different types of media and packaging and to prepare and decorate that packaging in a suitable manner. -- Patrick "The N-Man" Barnes nman64 at n-man.com http://www.n-man.com/ Have I been helpful? Rate my assistance! http://rate.affero.net/nman64/ -- -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 191 bytes Desc: not available URL: From matt at 0xf00d.com Wed Apr 5 02:53:46 2006 From: matt at 0xf00d.com (Matthew Swasey) Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2006 22:53:46 -0400 Subject: bluecurve In-Reply-To: <200604041302.40908.nman64@n-man.com> References: <14295385.1144163672185.JavaMail.root@fepweb05> <200604041302.40908.nman64@n-man.com> Message-ID: <1144205626.5167.6.camel@tama.0xf00d.com> I would like to know if there are any specific plans for bluecurve as of yet. Although it is my favorite icon set, it could use some updating and revamping. Was the original author Garrett LeSage? Although I would not mind seeing some of the tango guidelines applied to bluecurve, it would be sad for Fedora/RedHat to ditch the bluecurve icons and replace them with Tango icons. I always thought the bluecurve icons (and other theme elements) gave Fedora a look of it's own, separating it visually from other distros. Ubuntu just developed their own icon set, but it's a little to hard on the eyes for day to day use IMO. From dwnichols at charter.net Thu Apr 6 01:10:34 2006 From: dwnichols at charter.net (David Nichols) Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2006 21:10:34 -0400 Subject: CD Artwork Message-ID: <44346A8A.4030009@charter.net> Hi Diana and Patrick - Thank you for the replies. Diana- Send me anything you have. If I can use it as is- great! If I can't, then I have some learning to do. It's good either way. I've looked over the fair use of trademark documents you linked to, it's pretty standard stuff. Patrick- If it's forth coming, then I assume someone's working on it. If that's the case... Is there a similar project that no one is presently working on? I'm willing to take on a small project to get my feet wet but don't know what is needed. I have one comment to your statement: "We do want to give distributors as much flexibility as possible to use different types of media and packaging and to prepare and decorate that packaging in a suitable manner." "Suitable manner" is the question. As stated on the wiki, burning to CDR and writing "Fedora? Core 5" on it with a felt tip reflects poorly on the project as a whole and should be discouraged. I guess my question could be re-stated: "What's the minimum acceptable?" or "What's encouraged?". Obviously you don't want to set something up where the Fedora project has to "approve" layouts, but what would the Fedora project like to see? From nman64 at n-man.com Thu Apr 6 02:26:36 2006 From: nman64 at n-man.com (Patrick W. Barnes) Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2006 21:26:36 -0500 Subject: CD Artwork In-Reply-To: <44346A8A.4030009@charter.net> References: <44346A8A.4030009@charter.net> Message-ID: <200604052126.38924.nman64@n-man.com> On Wednesday 05 April 2006 20:10, David Nichols wrote: > Patrick- > If it's forth coming, then I assume someone's working on it. If that's > the case... Is there a similar project that no one is presently working on? > I'm willing to take on a small project to get my feet wet but don't know > what is needed. If you want to tackle materials that go along with packaging and labelling, we really don't have much. Beyond the logo and artwork on the website and the basic artwork for labelling DVD media, we really don't have much of anything. For example, we have nothing for box art. The Marketing project can always use new artwork, too. We can use presentations, brochures, hand-outs, banners, etc. If you want specific suggestions, try the project's mailing list. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing > I have one comment to your statement: > > "We do want to give distributors as > much flexibility as possible to use different types of media and packaging > and to prepare and decorate that packaging in a suitable manner." > > > "Suitable manner" is the question. As stated on the wiki, burning to CDR > and writing "Fedora? Core 5" on it with a felt tip reflects poorly on > the project as a whole and should be discouraged. I guess my question > could be re-stated: "What's the minimum acceptable?" or "What's > encouraged?". Obviously you don't want to set something up where the > Fedora project has to "approve" layouts, but what would the Fedora > project like to see? > New Trademark Guidelines are also in the works. They will more clearly define how the Fedora logo and trademark can be used. Until they are established, specific usage cases can be presented for consideration. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Logo Of course, we really don't want to stop the average user from burning CD-Rs and labelling them with a Sharpie, but vendors who sell the media are expected to produce more presentable materials. We don't have standards or guidelines for this right now, only the requirements named by the current trademark guidelines. Until we define something solid, we'll most likely just establish guidelines by precedent. -- Patrick "The N-Man" Barnes nman64 at n-man.com http://www.n-man.com/ Have I been helpful? Rate my assistance! http://rate.affero.net/nman64/ -- -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 191 bytes Desc: not available URL: From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Thu Apr 6 05:58:22 2006 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2006 08:58:22 +0300 Subject: CD Artwork In-Reply-To: <44346A8A.4030009@charter.net> References: <44346A8A.4030009@charter.net> Message-ID: <4434ADFE.5050109@nicubunu.ro> David Nichols wrote: > > Diana- > Send me anything you have. If I can use it as is- great! If I can't, > then I have some learning to do. It's good either way. > I've looked over the fair use of trademark documents you linked to, it's > pretty standard stuff. Here is something completely _unofficial_ which I quickly put together in about 5 minutes: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/cdart/cdlabel_bubbles.svg -- nicu my hats collection: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/hats/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Thu Apr 6 09:54:05 2006 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2006 12:54:05 +0300 Subject: CD Artwork In-Reply-To: <4434B4C4.5000703@redhat.com> References: <44346A8A.4030009@charter.net> <4434ADFE.5050109@nicubunu.ro> <4434B4C4.5000703@redhat.com> Message-ID: <4434E53D.1030204@nicubunu.ro> M?ir?n Duffy wrote: > Hi Nicu, > > I can't seem to get that URL to work, is your server still up? It is my personal server and is not very reliable, but today it was very ugly: a several hours long power outage. As soon as I got the opportunity I put a copy on deviantART: http://www.deviantart.com/deviation/31418451/ >> Here is something completely _unofficial_ which I quickly put together >> in about 5 minutes: >> http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/cdart/cdlabel_bubbles.svg -- nicu my hats collection: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/hats/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From llu at redhat.com Thu Apr 6 15:11:45 2006 From: llu at redhat.com (Lisa Lu Davidson) Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2006 11:11:45 -0400 Subject: CD Artwork In-Reply-To: <200604052126.38924.nman64@n-man.com> References: <44346A8A.4030009@charter.net> <200604052126.38924.nman64@n-man.com> Message-ID: <1144336305.32235.74.camel@dhcp59-116.rdu.redhat.com> Patrick, > If you want to tackle materials that go along with packaging and labelling, we > really don't have much. Beyond the logo and artwork on the website and the > basic artwork for labelling DVD media, we really don't have much of anything. > For example, we have nothing for box art. The Marketing project can always > use new artwork, too. We can use presentations, brochures, hand-outs, > banners, etc. If you want specific suggestions, try the project's mailing > list. > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing I took a quick look at the url you provided. Didn't see a full list of artwork we need. Is there a wiki page for that? I'm not sure you are the right person to ask or not. If not, let me know who the right person to talk to? thanks, Lisa > > I have one comment to your statement: > > > > "We do want to give distributors as > > much flexibility as possible to use different types of media and packaging > > and to prepare and decorate that packaging in a suitable manner." > > > > > > "Suitable manner" is the question. As stated on the wiki, burning to CDR > > and writing "Fedora??? Core 5" on it with a felt tip reflects poorly on > > the project as a whole and should be discouraged. I guess my question > > could be re-stated: "What's the minimum acceptable?" or "What's > > encouraged?". Obviously you don't want to set something up where the > > Fedora project has to "approve" layouts, but what would the Fedora > > project like to see? > > > > New Trademark Guidelines are also in the works. They will more clearly define > how the Fedora logo and trademark can be used. Until they are established, > specific usage cases can be presented for consideration. > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Logo > > Of course, we really don't want to stop the average user from burning CD-Rs > and labelling them with a Sharpie, but vendors who sell the media are > expected to produce more presentable materials. We don't have standards or > guidelines for this right now, only the requirements named by the current > trademark guidelines. Until we define something solid, we'll most likely > just establish guidelines by precedent. > > -- > Patrick "The N-Man" Barnes > nman64 at n-man.com > > http://www.n-man.com/ > > Have I been helpful? Rate my assistance! > http://rate.affero.net/nman64/ From nman64 at n-man.com Thu Apr 6 17:47:46 2006 From: nman64 at n-man.com (Patrick W. Barnes) Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2006 12:47:46 -0500 Subject: CD Artwork In-Reply-To: <1144336305.32235.74.camel@dhcp59-116.rdu.redhat.com> References: <44346A8A.4030009@charter.net> <200604052126.38924.nman64@n-man.com> <1144336305.32235.74.camel@dhcp59-116.rdu.redhat.com> Message-ID: <200604061247.49166.nman64@n-man.com> On Thursday 06 April 2006 10:11, Lisa Lu Davidson wrote: > Patrick, > > > If you want to tackle materials that go along with packaging and > > labelling, we really don't have much. Beyond the logo and artwork on the > > website and the basic artwork for labelling DVD media, we really don't > > have much of anything. For example, we have nothing for box art. The > > Marketing project can always use new artwork, too. We can use > > presentations, brochures, hand-outs, banners, etc. If you want specific > > suggestions, try the project's mailing list. > > > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing > > I took a quick look at the url you provided. Didn't see a full list of > artwork we need. Is there a wiki page for that? > > I'm not sure you are the right person to ask or not. If not, let me know > who the right person to talk to? > There is no single compiled list of materials. That's something we might develop with this project. We really don't have very much at this point, so you're welcome to contribute whatever sort of artwork you feel comfortable with creating. The fedora-marketing-list mailing list would be a good place to ask for ideas or for what other people are currently feeling a need for. https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list Of course, in a addition to marketing materials, any backgrounds, icons or other artwork for the distribution would be welcome. There's always room for improvement over our existing themes. Hopefully we'll gather enough mass around this project to develop a portal for artwork. A gallery solution is currently on the task list of the Fedora Websites project, but there isn't yet an ETA for that. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Websites If you have any ideas you think you want to tackle, you can always ask for feedback on this list. If you need a place to post your artwork for others to review, let us know and we'll make it happen. -- Patrick "The N-Man" Barnes nman64 at n-man.com http://www.n-man.com/ Have I been helpful? 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David From duffy at redhat.com Fri Apr 7 02:07:37 2006 From: duffy at redhat.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?M=E1ir=EDn_Duffy?=) Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2006 22:07:37 -0400 Subject: CD Artwork In-Reply-To: <1144359373.7336.30.camel@daxter.boston.redhat.com> References: <44346A8A.4030009@charter.net> <4434ADFE.5050109@nicubunu.ro> <1144359373.7336.30.camel@daxter.boston.redhat.com> Message-ID: <4435C969.6030201@redhat.com> Nicu, David Zeuthen wrote: > On Thu, 2006-04-06 at 08:58 +0300, Nicu Buculei wrote: > >>Here is something completely _unofficial_ which I quickly put together >>in about 5 minutes: >>http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/cdart/cdlabel_bubbles.svg > > > Good job! I really like it! I agree, it looks great! Can you put it up on the wiki? ~m From duffy at redhat.com Sat Apr 8 03:55:38 2006 From: duffy at redhat.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?M=E1ir=EDn_Duffy?=) Date: Fri, 07 Apr 2006 23:55:38 -0400 Subject: Future of Bluecurve & Partial Bluecurve Guidelines Available (was Re: bluecurve) In-Reply-To: <1144205626.5167.6.camel@tama.0xf00d.com> References: <14295385.1144163672185.JavaMail.root@fepweb05> <200604041302.40908.nman64@n-man.com> <1144205626.5167.6.camel@tama.0xf00d.com> Message-ID: <4437343A.20801@redhat.com> Hi Matthew, Matthew Swasey wrote: > I would like to know if there are any specific plans for bluecurve as of > yet. Although it is my favorite icon set, it could use some updating > and revamping. Was the original author Garrett LeSage? The original author was Garrett LeSage, although I don't know so many details about its origins as a Red Hat old-timer would. I'm on the Red Hat Network team and we use the icons extensively in the web gui, so I work with the icons a lot and I've created a few (very few) additional icons to the set. I'm sure Diana has too. What kind of updating / revamping do you have in mind? > Although I would not mind seeing some of the tango guidelines applied to > bluecurve, it would be sad for Fedora/RedHat to ditch the bluecurve > icons and replace them with Tango icons. I agree, the Tango guidelines are great, and I think it would be a good project to 'Tangoize' Bluecurve such that it follows the Tango icon specifications. I'm not aware of any current project doing so... It's my hope that we don't end up using the Tango icons if Bluecurve gets ditched, though. I think we need our own look. Tango is too close to Bluecurve to be compelling enough to switch IMHO. > I always thought the bluecurve icons (and other theme elements) gave > Fedora a look of it's own, separating it visually from other distros. > Ubuntu just developed their own icon set, but it's a little to hard on > the eyes for day to day use IMO. I know quite a few old-timers are sick of Bluecurve as it is now since it's been around since Red Hat Linux 9. I've also heard complaints that it's too cartoony and we need something fresh. If people enjoy it though, I don't see any reason why anyone shouldn't be able to contribute new icons to the set. It's definitely a very large set of icons. I haven't actually contributed my additions 'officially' in any capacity, for example, because there is no clear process for doing so. The icons are GPL'ed, btw. I have made a start at putting together some guidelines for creating icons to fit the set at: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/BluecurveIconGuidelines Diana, will you document the palette for this page? :) I'd like to build that page into a full set of guidelines up for those who'd like to create additional icons, and get a nice gallery of all the current icons in SVG format. Any feedback on what I've got so far would be greatly appreciated. :) ~m From nman64 at n-man.com Sat Apr 8 05:19:45 2006 From: nman64 at n-man.com (Patrick W. Barnes) Date: Sat, 8 Apr 2006 00:19:45 -0500 Subject: Future of Bluecurve & Partial Bluecurve Guidelines Available (was Re: bluecurve) In-Reply-To: <4437343A.20801@redhat.com> References: <14295385.1144163672185.JavaMail.root@fepweb05> <1144205626.5167.6.camel@tama.0xf00d.com> <4437343A.20801@redhat.com> Message-ID: <200604080019.48561.nman64@n-man.com> On Friday 07 April 2006 22:55, M?ir?n Duffy wrote: > I have made a start at putting together some guidelines for creating icons > to fit the set at: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/BluecurveIconGuidelines > Diana, will you document the palette for this page? :) > > I'd like to build that page into a full set of guidelines up for those > who'd like to create additional icons, and get a nice gallery of all the > current icons in SVG format. Any feedback on what I've got so far would be > greatly appreciated. :) > I have moved this page and updated the other links on the Artwork page to be subpages of the Artwork page. Any new pages that are related to this project should be created as subpages of the Artwork page and should be added to the CategoryArtwork category. This helps us to maintain organization on the wiki. -- Patrick "The N-Man" Barnes nman64 at n-man.com http://www.n-man.com/ Have I been helpful? Rate my assistance! http://rate.affero.net/nman64/ -- -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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At the time, what Garrett was doing was something kind of revolutionary for a Linux desktop: instead of using raster graphics made with Gimp he used vector graphics (made with Illustrator). This allowed an increased productivity and faster development. But is some cases, for example at small sizes, like in the "Applications" menu, the icons does no look very good. This can be approached and solved from different angles: artistic and technical. The largest problem I see with Bluecurve is its lack of completeness: the default desktop in FC5 is a mess: - the Gnome desktop is part Bluecurve, part Industrial, part Tango; - the office suite, OOo, is Industrial (at least, this is better than the default theme from FC4); - the browser, Firefox, has its own theme; (sorry, I cant comment on the default email client, I don't have Evolution installed). Making a statistic right out of my behind (i.e. without any concrete numbers) I would guess less than half of the icons an user of the default install see are Bluecurve. > I agree, the Tango guidelines are great, and I think it would be a good > project to 'Tangoize' Bluecurve such that it follows the Tango icon > specifications. I'm not aware of any current project doing so... I do not like parts of Tango guidelines: - hate the color palette, i think is too bright; - do not understand why they use 22x22 as the size for small icons. 24x24 is not only the traditional size in Gnome, it also fit the progression: 16x16, 24x24, 48x48 > It's my hope that we don't end up using the Tango icons if Bluecurve > gets ditched, though. I think we need our own look. Tango is too close > to Bluecurve to be compelling enough to switch IMHO. I can see the merit of having an own icon set. I only question if Fedora Project is ready to maintain an own set covering the *entire* desktop. The Tango guys seems very good at marketing, they gained a lot of mindshare and a large number of contributors. Making the decision of going with a new set of icons will make us accused of suffering of the Not Invented Here syndrome. note: I am not arguing for one of the solutions, just try to state some facts before a definitive decision is made. > I know quite a few old-timers are sick of Bluecurve as it is now since > it's been around since Red Hat Linux 9. I've also heard complaints that Is a little older, from RHL 8 era, in 2002 > it's too cartoony and we need something fresh. I have nothing against cartoons :p Look from this angle: Novell will soon launch SLED 10 with a new Tango look, Ubuntu Dapper will launch with a tangoified theme, screenshots of Windows Vista with it new set of icons are everywhere, only Fedora has the same 4 years old icon theme. Arguably, it can use some refreshment, even if it is a light one. > If people enjoy it though, I don't see any reason why anyone shouldn't > be able to contribute new icons to the set. It's definitely a very large > set of icons. I haven't actually contributed my additions 'officially' > in any capacity, for example, because there is no clear process for > doing so. The icons are GPL'ed, btw. GPL was also mentioned before. There is a solid reason / use case for icons to NOT be GPL? I do not see one. > I have made a start at putting together some guidelines for creating > icons to fit the set at: > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/BluecurveIconGuidelines As soon as I gets someone to give me edit right to he wiki (already sent private messages about that) I plan to add some minor things to it - for start, a SVG version of the isometric grid I think would be useful. > I'd like to build that page into a full set of guidelines up for those > who'd like to create additional icons, and get a nice gallery of all the > current icons in SVG format. Any feedback on what I've got so far would > be greatly appreciated. :) Nice guidelines you started here! Looking at those icons at a higher size, I can say the lighting does not appear consistent (for example the lock, the globe and the chess piece), so somw written words about the light source may be useful. And how about shadows? We want shadows? If yes, drop shadows, perspective or round like Tango? I think in the "Resources" section, a link to the Designing Effective Icons from the Gnome HIG would be useful: http://developer.gnome.org/projects/gup/hig/2.0/icons-design.html From nman64 at n-man.com Sat Apr 8 10:54:47 2006 From: nman64 at n-man.com (Patrick W. Barnes) Date: Sat, 8 Apr 2006 05:54:47 -0500 Subject: Future of Bluecurve & Partial Bluecurve Guidelines Available (was Re: bluecurve) In-Reply-To: <443777E6.7040701@nicubunu.ro> References: <14295385.1144163672185.JavaMail.root@fepweb05> <4437343A.20801@redhat.com> <443777E6.7040701@nicubunu.ro> Message-ID: <200604080554.50672.nman64@n-man.com> On Saturday 08 April 2006 03:44, Nicu Buculei wrote: > As soon as I gets someone to give me edit right to he wiki (already sent > private messages about that) I plan to add some minor things to it - for > start, a SVG version of the isometric grid I think would be useful. Done. You are in the EditGroup (again). Please stop by the UnlicensedGroup page and remove your name. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/UnlicensedGroup Now you can put your ideas to work and decorate the Artwork pages. ;-) -- Patrick "The N-Man" Barnes nman64 at n-man.com http://www.n-man.com/ Have I been helpful? Rate my assistance! http://rate.affero.net/nman64/ -- -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Great work!! I linked to the page you created in a bullet underneath 'Marketing Collateral' on the main Artwork page. :) ~m From matt at 0xf00d.com Sat Apr 8 18:27:26 2006 From: matt at 0xf00d.com (Matthew Swasey) Date: Sat, 08 Apr 2006 14:27:26 -0400 Subject: Future of Bluecurve & Partial Bluecurve Guidelines Available (was Re: bluecurve) In-Reply-To: <4437343A.20801@redhat.com> References: <14295385.1144163672185.JavaMail.root@fepweb05> <200604041302.40908.nman64@n-man.com> <1144205626.5167.6.camel@tama.0xf00d.com> <4437343A.20801@redhat.com> Message-ID: <1144520846.31534.10.camel@tama.0xf00d.com> M?ir?n, M?ir?n Duffy wrote: > Hi Matthew, > > Matthew Swasey wrote: > > I would like to know if there are any specific plans for bluecurve as of > > yet. Although it is my favorite icon set, it could use some updating > > and revamping. Was the original author Garrett LeSage? > > The original author was Garrett LeSage, although I don't know so many details > about its origins as a Red Hat old-timer would. I'm on the Red Hat Network team > and we use the icons extensively in the web gui, so I work with the icons a lot > and I've created a few (very few) additional icons to the set. I'm sure Diana > has too. > > What kind of updating / revamping do you have in mind? Nothing radical, like has already been mentioned, get some of the original icons in SVG format. Then start adding some more icons to the set, in order to make a more complete set. > > Although I would not mind seeing some of the tango guidelines applied to > > bluecurve, it would be sad for Fedora/RedHat to ditch the bluecurve > > icons and replace them with Tango icons. > > I agree, the Tango guidelines are great, and I think it would be a good project > to 'Tangoize' Bluecurve such that it follows the Tango icon specifications. I'm > not aware of any current project doing so... The one thing that I think the Tango wiki could use (along with any open icon project) is the ability for users to comment and critique each individual icon. For example, while I like most of the Tango icons, there are a few that I find violate the beauty of the rest of the set, such as the ugly rhombus "computer" icon. On the tango page, there is a section that displays each individual icons, so implementing a way to comment on them should not be too hard. > It's my hope that we don't end up using the Tango icons if Bluecurve gets > ditched, though. I think we need our own look. Tango is too close to Bluecurve > to be compelling enough to switch IMHO. > I have made a start at putting together some guidelines for creating icons to > fit the set at: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/BluecurveIconGuidelines > Diana, will you document the palette for this page? :) This is looking very good so far. From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Sun Apr 9 08:50:12 2006 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Sun, 09 Apr 2006 11:50:12 +0300 Subject: Future of Bluecurve & Partial Bluecurve Guidelines Available (was Re: bluecurve) In-Reply-To: <1144520846.31534.10.camel@tama.0xf00d.com> References: <14295385.1144163672185.JavaMail.root@fepweb05> <200604041302.40908.nman64@n-man.com> <1144205626.5167.6.camel@tama.0xf00d.com> <4437343A.20801@redhat.com> <1144520846.31534.10.camel@tama.0xf00d.com> Message-ID: <4438CAC4.2080600@nicubunu.ro> Matthew Swasey wrote: > M?ir?n Duffy wrote: >> >> What kind of updating / revamping do you have in mind? > > Nothing radical, like has already been mentioned, get some of the > original icons in SVG format. Then start adding some more icons to the > set, in order to make a more complete set. - replace a few of the most visible icons with an improved version; perhaps the most bang-for-the-buck can be obtained by changing the folder icon*; - currently the large majority of icons have no shadows. add shadows in a consistent way (the same kind of shadows to all elements); - make the lighting consistent across the entire icon set; - add more icons - perhaps the best strategy is to go per application basis: for example set Firefox as a first target, do the entire icon set, go to the next application. * I am not very satisfied by it, but here is a possible approach: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/f_icons/folder_nicu.svg - it still a folder, looks pretty much like Bluecurve but is different. -- nicu From wtogami at redhat.com Sun Apr 9 20:47:55 2006 From: wtogami at redhat.com (Warren Togami) Date: Sun, 09 Apr 2006 16:47:55 -0400 Subject: Official Fedora CD/DVD Art? In-Reply-To: <369bce3b0604091345j7ed474a8p9c5465d7e72f6e7b@mail.gmail.com> References: <369bce3b0604091345j7ed474a8p9c5465d7e72f6e7b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <443972FB.50804@redhat.com> Thomas Chung wrote: > Patrick and Alex, > Are we considering these as an Official Fedora CD/DVD Art? > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/CDArt What happened to the "Fedora Core 5" jacket art used on the DVD's we gave out at LinuxWorld Boston and FUDCON? Warren Togami wtogami at redhat.com From duffy at redhat.com Sun Apr 9 21:25:03 2006 From: duffy at redhat.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?M=E1ir=EDn_Duffy?=) Date: Sun, 09 Apr 2006 17:25:03 -0400 Subject: Official Fedora CD/DVD Art? In-Reply-To: <443972FB.50804@redhat.com> References: <369bce3b0604091345j7ed474a8p9c5465d7e72f6e7b@mail.gmail.com> <443972FB.50804@redhat.com> Message-ID: <44397BAF.20002@redhat.com> Warren Togami wrote: > Thomas Chung wrote: > >> Patrick and Alex, >> Are we considering these as an Official Fedora CD/DVD Art? >> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/CDArt > > > What happened to the "Fedora Core 5" jacket art used on the DVD's we > gave out at LinuxWorld Boston and FUDCON? Let's get that up on the wiki too so it's available. Does anyone have copies? (SVG format preferred! But I can convert *.AI if needed) ~m From nman64 at n-man.com Sun Apr 9 22:17:18 2006 From: nman64 at n-man.com (Patrick W. Barnes) Date: Sun, 9 Apr 2006 17:17:18 -0500 Subject: Official Fedora CD/DVD Art? In-Reply-To: <443972FB.50804@redhat.com> References: <369bce3b0604091345j7ed474a8p9c5465d7e72f6e7b@mail.gmail.com> <443972FB.50804@redhat.com> Message-ID: <200604091717.21252.nman64@n-man.com> On Sunday 09 April 2006 15:47, Warren Togami wrote: > Thomas Chung wrote: > > Patrick and Alex, > > Are we considering these as an Official Fedora CD/DVD Art? > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/CDArt > > What happened to the "Fedora Core 5" jacket art used on the DVD's we > gave out at LinuxWorld Boston and FUDCON? > The CDArt page contains community submissions. They have not been deemed official by anyone. There are actually quite a few different ideas floating around that have been created due to the "official" artwork not being available. I think a goal of the Artwork team should be the collection of the different ideas and nomination of a select few to be the official piece. Those nominees could then be opened for review and voted upon. -- Patrick "The N-Man" Barnes nman64 at n-man.com http://www.n-man.com/ Have I been helpful? Rate my assistance! http://rate.affero.net/nman64/ -- -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 191 bytes Desc: not available URL: From duffy at redhat.com Sun Apr 9 22:26:50 2006 From: duffy at redhat.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?M=E1ir=EDn_Duffy?=) Date: Sun, 09 Apr 2006 18:26:50 -0400 Subject: Official Fedora CD/DVD Art? In-Reply-To: <200604091717.21252.nman64@n-man.com> References: <369bce3b0604091345j7ed474a8p9c5465d7e72f6e7b@mail.gmail.com> <443972FB.50804@redhat.com> <200604091717.21252.nman64@n-man.com> Message-ID: <44398A2A.7070706@redhat.com> Patrick W. Barnes wrote: > The CDArt page contains community submissions. They have not been deemed > official by anyone. There are actually quite a few different ideas floating > around that have been created due to the "official" artwork not being > available. I think a goal of the Artwork team should be the collection of > the different ideas and nomination of a select few to be the official piece. > Those nominees could then be opened for review and voted upon. From an earlier thread about this on fedora-art-list: 'The Distribution page of the wiki says "There is no standard regarding the preparation of media or packaging." ' Can we actually have 'official' CD art then? Or just 'official' suggestions?? Also, I recommend not having a open vote.... I've been burned by this in the past - it's a pain to control for cheating (which unfortunately happens), and in the end, 'design by open committee' tends to be a lot lower quality than 'design by a knowledgable few' I think a Fedora brand book is being worked on? Something like that would make this sort of thing easier... ~m From nman64 at n-man.com Mon Apr 10 01:03:33 2006 From: nman64 at n-man.com (Patrick W. Barnes) Date: Sun, 9 Apr 2006 20:03:33 -0500 Subject: Official Fedora CD/DVD Art? In-Reply-To: <44398A2A.7070706@redhat.com> References: <369bce3b0604091345j7ed474a8p9c5465d7e72f6e7b@mail.gmail.com> <200604091717.21252.nman64@n-man.com> <44398A2A.7070706@redhat.com> Message-ID: <200604092003.38606.nman64@n-man.com> On Sunday 09 April 2006 17:26, M?ir?n Duffy wrote: > Patrick W. Barnes wrote: > > The CDArt page contains community submissions. They have not been deemed > > official by anyone. There are actually quite a few different ideas > > floating around that have been created due to the "official" artwork not > > being available. I think a goal of the Artwork team should be the > > collection of the different ideas and nomination of a select few to be > > the official piece. Those nominees could then be opened for review and > > voted upon. > > From an earlier thread about this on fedora-art-list: > > 'The Distribution page of the wiki says "There is no standard regarding the > preparation of media or packaging." ' > > Can we actually have 'official' CD art then? Or just 'official' > suggestions?? Our options are open. Our 'official' selection would most likely be a suggestion. As long as we label one selection as 'official', most vendors and individual distributors will use that selection, and the standardization will help to give the appearance of a coherent community. Those who cannot use the official artwork would still be able to use simpler labelling. Not everyone will be able to print full-color CD labels, so I don't want to prevent them from producing media. > > Also, I recommend not having a open vote.... I've been burned by this in > the past - it's a pain to control for cheating (which unfortunately > happens), and in the end, 'design by open committee' tends to be a lot > lower quality than 'design by a knowledgable few' We can discuss how wide we want to open the process. We will need to have a reasonable scope to cover all interests. In addition to the Artwork team, we should at least include the Distribution team and a small selection from the Marketing team. Having the Artwork team select the nominees will make the vote a lot less painful, but closing the vote to just the Artwork team may leave us with a selection that nobody wants to use. -- Patrick "The N-Man" Barnes nman64 at n-man.com http://www.n-man.com/ Have I been helpful? Rate my assistance! http://rate.affero.net/nman64/ -- -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 191 bytes Desc: not available URL: From duffy at redhat.com Mon Apr 10 01:15:34 2006 From: duffy at redhat.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?M=E1ir=EDn_Duffy?=) Date: Sun, 09 Apr 2006 21:15:34 -0400 Subject: Official Fedora CD/DVD Art? In-Reply-To: <200604092003.38606.nman64@n-man.com> References: <369bce3b0604091345j7ed474a8p9c5465d7e72f6e7b@mail.gmail.com> <200604091717.21252.nman64@n-man.com> <44398A2A.7070706@redhat.com> <200604092003.38606.nman64@n-man.com> Message-ID: <4439B1B6.2050308@redhat.com> Patrick W. Barnes wrote: > Our options are open. Our 'official' selection would most likely be a > suggestion. As long as we label one selection as 'official', most vendors > and individual distributors will use that selection, and the standardization > will help to give the appearance of a coherent community. Makes sense. Those who cannot > use the official artwork would still be able to use simpler labelling. Not > everyone will be able to print full-color CD labels, so I don't want to > prevent them from producing media. That's an important consideration I think, we should have a nice-looking b&w version available as well. >>Also, I recommend not having a open vote.... I've been burned by this in >>the past - it's a pain to control for cheating (which unfortunately >>happens), and in the end, 'design by open committee' tends to be a lot >>lower quality than 'design by a knowledgable few' > > > We can discuss how wide we want to open the process. We will need to have a > reasonable scope to cover all interests. In addition to the Artwork team, we > should at least include the Distribution team and a small selection from the > Marketing team. Having the Artwork team select the nominees will make the > vote a lot less painful, but closing the vote to just the Artwork team may > leave us with a selection that nobody wants to use. Sounds like a good plan. ~m From david at fubar.dk Mon Apr 10 04:20:18 2006 From: david at fubar.dk (David Zeuthen) Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2006 00:20:18 -0400 Subject: Future of Bluecurve & Partial Bluecurve Guidelines Available (was Re: bluecurve) In-Reply-To: <4437343A.20801@redhat.com> References: <14295385.1144163672185.JavaMail.root@fepweb05> <200604041302.40908.nman64@n-man.com> <1144205626.5167.6.camel@tama.0xf00d.com> <4437343A.20801@redhat.com> Message-ID: <14F4AFE1-8638-4A7F-9708-5DA40A942AC5@fubar.dk> On Apr 7, 2006, at 11:55 PM, M?ir?n Duffy wrote: > It's my hope that we don't end up using the Tango icons if > Bluecurve gets ditched, though. I think we need our own look. It's interesting to see what the Ubuntu crowd is doing here https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperUbuntuIcons including the ten priority levels... Anyway, I bet that if you replaced, say, the 50 (just to pick a number) "most important" or "most visible" [1] icons with Fedora specific ones, I bet you can still maintain our own look and/or brand while reaping all the benefits of the Tango project. Definitely something to consider I'd say. David [1] : like the audio volume, computer, folder, drive/media/cdrom icons, gnome-power-manager icons [2], NetworkManager icons [3] to start with (I'm not particular fond of the g-p-m nor the NM tangofied icons...) [2] : http://jimmac.musichall.cz/i.php?i=PowerManager [3] : http://jimmac.musichall.cz/i.php?i=NetworkManager From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Mon Apr 10 05:46:50 2006 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2006 08:46:50 +0300 Subject: Official Fedora CD/DVD Art? In-Reply-To: <200604092003.38606.nman64@n-man.com> References: <369bce3b0604091345j7ed474a8p9c5465d7e72f6e7b@mail.gmail.com> <200604091717.21252.nman64@n-man.com> <44398A2A.7070706@redhat.com> <200604092003.38606.nman64@n-man.com> Message-ID: <4439F14A.9050804@nicubunu.ro> Patrick W. Barnes wrote: > On Sunday 09 April 2006 17:26, M?ir?n Duffy wrote: > >> Also, I recommend not having a open vote.... I've been burned by this in >> the past - it's a pain to control for cheating (which unfortunately >> happens), and in the end, 'design by open committee' tends to be a lot >> lower quality than 'design by a knowledgable few' Being involved in some community votes for graphics in various projects, I agree with this: open vote is not a good idea. IMO, cheating is not the main problem, the problem is voters usually does not have the knowledge to make a good choice. > We can discuss how wide we want to open the process. We will need to have a > reasonable scope to cover all interests. In addition to the Artwork team, we > should at least include the Distribution team and a small selection from the > Marketing team. Having the Artwork team select the nominees will make the > vote a lot less painful, but closing the vote to just the Artwork team may > leave us with a selection that nobody wants to use. It is a good solution. The opposite could be also used: the Artwork team select a few and from those public vote select one. But I still think this can be decide just inside the Artwork team. -- nicu my hats collection: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/hats/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Mon Apr 10 08:32:03 2006 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2006 11:32:03 +0300 Subject: Future of Bluecurve & Partial Bluecurve Guidelines Available (was Re: bluecurve) In-Reply-To: <14F4AFE1-8638-4A7F-9708-5DA40A942AC5@fubar.dk> References: <14295385.1144163672185.JavaMail.root@fepweb05> <200604041302.40908.nman64@n-man.com> <1144205626.5167.6.camel@tama.0xf00d.com> <4437343A.20801@redhat.com> <14F4AFE1-8638-4A7F-9708-5DA40A942AC5@fubar.dk> Message-ID: <443A1803.70702@nicubunu.ro> David Zeuthen wrote: > > It's interesting to see what the Ubuntu crowd is doing here > > https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperUbuntuIcons > > including the ten priority levels... Anyway, I bet that if you replaced, > say, the 50 (just to pick a number) "most important" or "most visible" > [1] icons with Fedora specific ones, I bet you can still maintain our > own look and/or brand while reaping all the benefits of the Tango > project. Definitely something to consider I'd say. This is worth considering, the Tango guys are very persuasive and work with a lot of upstream projects for "tangoification", for example they develop the so-called "ArtLibreSet" (a subset of Tango) which is at various points of adoption in Gimp, Scribus and Inkscape. This strategy would impose a constraint: those replacement 50 icons should have the style (palette, perspective, shadows, light, size) very close to the original set (Tango), so there will not be very much space for modifications (the same style so the entire desktop remain consistent and differences between icons from various levels* are not easily noticeable). *levels as defined by Ubuntu in the link above -- nicu my hats collection: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/hats/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From nman64 at n-man.com Mon Apr 10 16:20:44 2006 From: nman64 at n-man.com (Patrick W. Barnes) Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2006 11:20:44 -0500 Subject: IRC Channel Message-ID: <200604101120.46542.nman64@n-man.com> I've taken the liberty of creating a new IRC channel on freenode for the Artwork project. #fedora-art on freenode is now open. :-) -- Patrick "The N-Man" Barnes nman64 at n-man.com http://www.n-man.com/ Have I been helpful? Rate my assistance! http://rate.affero.net/nman64/ -- -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 191 bytes Desc: not available URL: From nisses.mail at home.se Tue Apr 11 19:01:48 2006 From: nisses.mail at home.se (Andreas Nilsson) Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 21:01:48 +0200 Subject: Tango, foxtrot, charlie Message-ID: <443BFD1C.6020605@home.se> Hi, I just subscribed to this list! I read the archives and saw there was some discussion on icons. As I've been involved in Tango since it was announced and some time ago I put together a couple of icons using similar colors as Bluecurve, mostly as a test, but Steven Garrity liked them, so I did a whole set. These are only in scalable size yet, but I can fix the 22x22 and 16x16 sizes pretty quick. If you have any questions regarding the tango-project, please feel free to bug me on this list. It would be really cool if Garretts LeSages initial goal for Bluecurve could be achieved. Here is the icons: http://ramnet.se/~nisse/diverse/temp/foxtrot.tar.gz and here is a little screenshot: http://ramnet.se/~nisse/blog/images/foxtrot.png - Andreas Nilsson From duffy at redhat.com Tue Apr 11 19:21:37 2006 From: duffy at redhat.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?M=E1ir=EDn_Duffy?=) Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 15:21:37 -0400 Subject: Tango, foxtrot, charlie In-Reply-To: <443BFD1C.6020605@home.se> References: <443BFD1C.6020605@home.se> Message-ID: <443C01C1.5080602@redhat.com> Andreas Nilsson wrote: > Hi, I just subscribed to this list! > I read the archives and saw there was some discussion on icons. > As I've been involved in Tango since it was announced and some time ago > I put together a couple of icons using similar colors as Bluecurve, > mostly as a test, but Steven Garrity liked them, so I did a whole set. > These are only in scalable size yet, but I can fix the 22x22 and 16x16 > sizes pretty quick. > If you have any questions regarding the tango-project, please feel free > to bug me on this list. It would be really cool if Garretts LeSages > initial goal for Bluecurve could be achieved. > > Here is the icons: http://ramnet.se/~nisse/diverse/temp/foxtrot.tar.gz > and here is a little screenshot: > http://ramnet.se/~nisse/blog/images/foxtrot.png For everyone's benefit, we had a discussion about this on irc, attached. ~m -------------- next part -------------- An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: fedora-art-log.txt URL: From duffy at redhat.com Tue Apr 11 19:55:19 2006 From: duffy at redhat.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?M=E1ir=EDn_Duffy?=) Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 15:55:19 -0400 Subject: Tango, foxtrot, charlie In-Reply-To: <443C01C1.5080602@redhat.com> References: <443BFD1C.6020605@home.se> <443C01C1.5080602@redhat.com> Message-ID: <443C09A7.8070603@redhat.com> M?ir?n Duffy wrote: > For everyone's benefit, we had a discussion about this on irc, attached. > > ~m Attached is the log part 2. I'll be writing up a summary tonight. :) ~m -------------- next part -------------- An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: fedora-art-log.2.txt URL: From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Wed Apr 12 15:15:37 2006 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 18:15:37 +0300 Subject: Bluecurve palette Message-ID: <443D1999.4020107@nicubunu.ro> Seeing the recently added Palette sections on the Icon Guidelines page (http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/BluecurveIconGuidelines) I uploaded a .gpl palette file, which can be used in Inkscape and GIMP - http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/BluecurveIconGuidelines?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=bluecurve.gpl Just save it in ~/.inkscape/palettes/ and is ready to use in Inkscape, respectively ~/.gimp-2.2/palettes/ for GIMP. Doing this, I noticed two typos in the figure illustrating the palette: - 00BEDD should be DDBEDD - FEDFE3 should be FEDFB3 -- nicu my hats collection: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/hats/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From iamseawolf at gmail.com Wed Apr 12 16:00:32 2006 From: iamseawolf at gmail.com (..// seawolf //..) Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 17:00:32 +0100 Subject: Python error whilst attempting to join "art" group Message-ID: <9c3bfa1d0604120900i139fde97yc33aa23788b42ab7@mail.gmail.com> Afternoon, I'm, trying to join this group, but recieve the following error on the page: [4. Join the 'art' group in the Account System] https://admin.fedora.redhat.com/accounts/userbox.cgi -- --> --> AttributeError Python 2.2.3: /usr/bin/python2 Wed Apr 12 08:51:08 2006 A problem occurred in a Python script. Here is the sequence of function calls leading up to the error, in the order they occurred. /var/www/html/admin/accounts/userbox.cgi 305 if username and action=='edit': 306 website.handle_group_mods(dbh, form, 'userbox.cgi', username, 307 None, fixed_item='username', auth_username=auth_username) 308 309 website.print_footer("Fedora User") None undefined, fixed_item undefined, auth_username = 'seawolf' /var/www/html/admin/accounts/website.py in handle_group_mods(dbh=, form=FieldStorage(None, None, [MiniFieldStorage('user..., '0'), MiniFieldStorage('_role_show_all', '1')]), url='userbox.cgi', username='seawolf', groupname=None, fixed_item='username', auth_username='seawolf') 403 role_group = form['groupname'].value 404 role_user = form['username'].value 405 allowed_actions = get_allowed_group_actions(dbh, auth_username, role_group, group_info=group_info, for_username=role_user) 406 if role_user == auth_username: 407 permitted = 'add_self' in allowed_actions allowed_actions undefined, global get_allowed_group_actions = , dbh = , auth_username = 'seawolf', role_group = 'art', group_info = {}, for_username undefined, role_user = 'seawolf' /var/www/html/admin/accounts/website.py in get_allowed_group_actions(dbh=, auth_username='seawolf', groupname='art', group_info={}, for_username='seawolf') 370 my_group_info = group_info 371 ginfo = get_group_info(dbh, groupname) 372 my_group_info.update(ginfo) 373 if my_group_info['name'] == 'cla_done': 374 return [] my_group_info = {}, my_group_info.update = , ginfo = None AttributeError: keys __doc__ = 'Attribute not found.' __getitem__ = > __init__ = > __module__ = 'exceptions' __str__ = > args = ('keys',) [end] All the purple is very nice, but doesn't help me. Can anyone else join me to the Art group, please? Many thanks, seawolf -- ..// seawolf //.. iamseawolf (at) gmail (dot) com http://clik.to/seawolfsanctuary MSN, ICQ & Yahoo! available Red Hat Fedora Core Linux 5 Ask Me For GnuPG Public Key From duffy at redhat.com Wed Apr 12 17:06:34 2006 From: duffy at redhat.com (=?UTF-8?B?TcOhaXLDrW4gRHVmZnk=?=) Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 13:06:34 -0400 Subject: Python error whilst attempting to join "art" group In-Reply-To: <9c3bfa1d0604120900i139fde97yc33aa23788b42ab7@mail.gmail.com> References: <9c3bfa1d0604120900i139fde97yc33aa23788b42ab7@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <443D339A.80900@redhat.com> I got the same thing when I tried it - Patrick did you add that to the wiki page? Do you know if there actually is an art group? ~m ..// seawolf //.. wrote: > Afternoon, > > I'm, trying to join this group, but recieve the following error on the page: > [4. Join the 'art' group in the Account System] > https://admin.fedora.redhat.com/accounts/userbox.cgi -- > --> --> > > AttributeError Python 2.2.3: /usr/bin/python2 > Wed Apr 12 08:51:08 2006 > > A problem occurred in a Python script. Here is the sequence of > function calls leading up to the error, in the order they occurred. > > /var/www/html/admin/accounts/userbox.cgi > 305 if username and action=='edit': > 306 website.handle_group_mods(dbh, form, 'userbox.cgi', username, > 307 None, fixed_item='username', > auth_username=auth_username) > 308 > 309 website.print_footer("Fedora User") > None undefined, fixed_item undefined, auth_username = 'seawolf' > > /var/www/html/admin/accounts/website.py in > handle_group_mods(dbh=, > form=FieldStorage(None, None, [MiniFieldStorage('user..., '0'), > MiniFieldStorage('_role_show_all', '1')]), url='userbox.cgi', > username='seawolf', groupname=None, fixed_item='username', > auth_username='seawolf') > 403 role_group = form['groupname'].value > 404 role_user = form['username'].value > 405 allowed_actions = get_allowed_group_actions(dbh, > auth_username, role_group, group_info=group_info, > for_username=role_user) > 406 if role_user == auth_username: > 407 permitted = 'add_self' in allowed_actions > allowed_actions undefined, global get_allowed_group_actions = > , dbh = > , auth_username = 'seawolf', > role_group = 'art', group_info = {}, for_username undefined, role_user > = 'seawolf' > > /var/www/html/admin/accounts/website.py in > get_allowed_group_actions(dbh=, > auth_username='seawolf', groupname='art', group_info={}, > for_username='seawolf') > 370 my_group_info = group_info > 371 ginfo = get_group_info(dbh, groupname) > 372 my_group_info.update(ginfo) > 373 if my_group_info['name'] == 'cla_done': > 374 return [] > my_group_info = {}, my_group_info.update = dict object>, ginfo = None > > AttributeError: keys > __doc__ = 'Attribute not found.' > __getitem__ = > > __init__ = > > __module__ = 'exceptions' > __str__ = > > args = ('keys',) > > > [end] > > All the purple is very nice, but doesn't help me. Can anyone else join > me to the Art group, please? > > Many thanks, > seawolf > -- > ..// seawolf //.. > iamseawolf (at) gmail (dot) com > http://clik.to/seawolfsanctuary > MSN, ICQ & Yahoo! available > Red Hat Fedora Core Linux 5 > Ask Me For GnuPG Public Key > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list -- M?ir?n Duffy Interaction Designer Red Hat Network :: Red Hat, Inc. Westford, MA 978.392.3908 From tchung at fedoraproject.org Wed Apr 12 17:22:46 2006 From: tchung at fedoraproject.org (Thomas Chung) Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 10:22:46 -0700 Subject: Python error whilst attempting to join "art" group In-Reply-To: <443D339A.80900@redhat.com> References: <9c3bfa1d0604120900i139fde97yc33aa23788b42ab7@mail.gmail.com> <443D339A.80900@redhat.com> Message-ID: <369bce3b0604121022t85e6b65od2e5e439670194ec@mail.gmail.com> On 4/12/06, M?ir?n Duffy wrote: > I got the same thing when I tried it - Patrick did you add that to the wiki > page? Do you know if there actually is an art group? > > ~m Hi M?ir?n and Seawolf (?), The "art" group is not ready in Fedora Account System to join. Please wait for another announcement from Patrick. Regards, -- Thomas Chung http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ThomasChung From iamseawolf at gmail.com Wed Apr 12 17:37:14 2006 From: iamseawolf at gmail.com (..// seawolf //..) Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 18:37:14 +0100 Subject: Python error whilst attempting to join "art" group In-Reply-To: <369bce3b0604121022t85e6b65od2e5e439670194ec@mail.gmail.com> References: <9c3bfa1d0604120900i139fde97yc33aa23788b42ab7@mail.gmail.com> <443D339A.80900@redhat.com> <369bce3b0604121022t85e6b65od2e5e439670194ec@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <9c3bfa1d0604121037x2957a483u996722ce7a18f7e8@mail.gmail.com> Ah. Thanks for your replys. On 12/04/06, Thomas Chung wrote: > On 4/12/06, M?ir?n Duffy wrote: > > I got the same thing when I tried it - Patrick did you add that to the wiki > > page? Do you know if there actually is an art group? > > > > ~m > > Hi M?ir?n and Seawolf (?), > The "art" group is not ready in Fedora Account System to join. > Please wait for another announcement from Patrick. > Regards, > -- > Thomas Chung > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ThomasChung > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list > -- ..// seawolf //.. e-mail / msn / icq / yahoo iamseawolf (at) gmail (dot) com http://clik.to/seawolfsanctuary fedora core 5 : artwork GnuPG Available - ask me! From dfong at redhat.com Wed Apr 12 17:49:32 2006 From: dfong at redhat.com (Diana Fong) Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 13:49:32 -0400 Subject: Bluecurve palette In-Reply-To: <443D1999.4020107@nicubunu.ro> References: <443D1999.4020107@nicubunu.ro> Message-ID: <1144864172.24897.3.camel@marshall.boston.redhat.com> fixed! =) diana On Wed, 2006-04-12 at 18:15 +0300, Nicu Buculei wrote: > Seeing the recently added Palette sections on the Icon Guidelines page > (http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/BluecurveIconGuidelines) I > uploaded a .gpl palette file, which can be used in Inkscape and GIMP - > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/BluecurveIconGuidelines?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=bluecurve.gpl > > Just save it in ~/.inkscape/palettes/ and is ready to use in Inkscape, > respectively ~/.gimp-2.2/palettes/ for GIMP. > > Doing this, I noticed two typos in the figure illustrating the palette: > - 00BEDD should be DDBEDD > - FEDFE3 should be FEDFB3 > From duffy at redhat.com Wed Apr 12 20:21:54 2006 From: duffy at redhat.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?M=E1ir=EDn_Duffy?=) Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 16:21:54 -0400 Subject: [Fwd: Fedora Arts - DVD - T-shirts - Banner - Flyer] Message-ID: <443D6162.7090003@redhat.com> -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Fedora Arts - DVD - T-shirts - Banner - Flyer Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 17:24:57 -0300 From: Rodrigo Padula de Oliveira Reply-To: Discussions on expanding the Fedora user base To: fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com, Discussions on expanding the Fedora user base -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hi People!!!! These are the arts created for FISL (Brasil). Fedora Banner (120cm x 90cm ) - - www.projetofedora.org/arquivos/fisl/fedora_banner.jpg Fedora DVD (FEDORA CORE 5) - - www.projetofedora.org/arquivos/fisl/fedora_dvd.jpg Fedora Flyer - - www.projetofedora.org/arquivos/fisl/fedora_flyer.jpg Fedora t-shirt Black (S,L,XL) - - www.projetofedora.org/arquivos/fisl/blackt.jpg Fedora t-shirt White (S,L,XL) - - www.projetofedora.org/arquivos/fisl/blankt.jpg Artwork by Jayme Ayres (jayme.ayres AT gmail.com) - - http://jaymeayres.orgfree.com/ - -- +================================================+ RODRIGO PADULA DE OLIVEIRA (o- MESTRANDO EM ENGENHARIA DE SISTEMAS //\ LINHA DE PESQUISA: BANCO DE DADOS V_/_ COPPE/UFRJ PostgreSQL - PHP - WML - Linux +================================================+ Embaixador do Fedora Core no Brasil http://www.projetofedora.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2.2 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFEPWIYPg3HAC1vlg4RAu9qAJ9UUYI1eIDQHiSVHEqiqzy8DQaIcwCdGUqH h/hiP5smdiwkKzWvi1E+Viw= =BMRN -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list -- M?ir?n Duffy Interaction Designer Red Hat Network :: Red Hat, Inc. Westford, MA 978.392.3908 From nman64 at n-man.com Thu Apr 13 00:44:58 2006 From: nman64 at n-man.com (Patrick W. Barnes) Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 19:44:58 -0500 Subject: Python error whilst attempting to join "art" group In-Reply-To: <9c3bfa1d0604121037x2957a483u996722ce7a18f7e8@mail.gmail.com> References: <9c3bfa1d0604120900i139fde97yc33aa23788b42ab7@mail.gmail.com> <369bce3b0604121022t85e6b65od2e5e439670194ec@mail.gmail.com> <9c3bfa1d0604121037x2957a483u996722ce7a18f7e8@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200604121945.01657.nman64@n-man.com> The 'art' group has been established, and anyone who has been active on this mailing list and has completed the CLA process has been added and approved as a member. -- Patrick "The N-Man" Barnes nman64 at n-man.com http://www.n-man.com/ Have I been helpful? Rate my assistance! http://rate.affero.net/nman64/ -- -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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From vonchez at sympatico.ca Fri Apr 14 22:52:10 2006 From: vonchez at sympatico.ca (Dave Vazquez-Abrams) Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2006 18:52:10 -0400 Subject: Icons anyone? Message-ID: Hey, I've worked on some example icons for everyone to take a peek at, and any constructive criticism/ praise and love would be greatly appreciated. Check 'em out: http://www.geocities.com/vonchez/folder.jpg http://www.geocities.com/vonchez/folderopen.jpg http://www.geocities.com/vonchez/monitor.jpg I wouldn't mind making a full set of icons, but I can't promise that I can do it for free, but, if you do need a sort of coffee gopher, I can do little stuff for zip, zero, nada! -Dave -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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In my understanding, one of the purposes of this subproject is to create a full set of icons for free. -- nicu From wtogami at redhat.com Mon Apr 17 03:13:47 2006 From: wtogami at redhat.com (Warren Togami) Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2006 23:13:47 -0400 Subject: Icons anyone? In-Reply-To: <44412F64.1090109@nicubunu.ro> References: <44412F64.1090109@nicubunu.ro> Message-ID: <444307EB.7030301@redhat.com> Nicu Buculei wrote: > > In my understanding, one of the purposes of this subproject is to create > a full set of icons for free. > The purpose is whatever you make it. If you think that would be a worthwhile goal, then create the organization and specifications around it. You already made some large steps in that direction with additions to the Bluecurve specifications page. Good job to you, and everyone else who contributed. Warren Togami wtogami at redhat.com From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Mon Apr 17 13:19:34 2006 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2006 16:19:34 +0300 Subject: upload large files in the Wiki Message-ID: <444395E6.7050801@nicubunu.ro> Recently I polished some floating heads for Planet Fedora and I privately got asked about tome tips on the subject, so I wrote this: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/NicuBuculei/Hackerogotchi It seems my short tutorial was not clear enough, I was asked for a more detailed description, so I made a screencast. Which leads me to the subject of this question: What is considered acceptable use for uploading files on the Wiki? How about a 13 MB video file in OGG Theora format? Also, how about hot linking? Is it forbidden or tolerated? -- nicu - still frustrated by the experience of making a screencast: Istanbul and Byzanz crashes, had to eat crow and use Flash and transcode it later to Theora From tchung at fedoraproject.org Mon Apr 17 17:29:51 2006 From: tchung at fedoraproject.org (Thomas Chung) Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2006 10:29:51 -0700 Subject: upload large files in the Wiki In-Reply-To: <444395E6.7050801@nicubunu.ro> References: <444395E6.7050801@nicubunu.ro> Message-ID: <369bce3b0604171029g65b8f1bax8a1d0877cfea4085@mail.gmail.com> On 4/17/06, Nicu Buculei wrote: > Recently I polished some floating heads for Planet Fedora and I > privately got asked about tome tips on the subject, so I wrote this: > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/NicuBuculei/Hackerogotchi > > It seems my short tutorial was not clear enough, I was asked for a more > detailed description, so I made a screencast. Which leads me to the > subject of this question: > > What is considered acceptable use for uploading files on the Wiki? How > about a 13 MB video file in OGG Theora format? Also, how about hot > linking? Is it forbidden or tolerated? I would say it's acceptable. I've uploaded about the same size of ogg theora for Marketing/Ambassadors Project in the past. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Tours/FedoraCore5 -- Thomas Chung http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ThomasChung From duffy at redhat.com Mon Apr 17 17:45:20 2006 From: duffy at redhat.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?M=E1ir=EDn_Duffy?=) Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2006 13:45:20 -0400 Subject: Fedora Logo Modification Message-ID: <4443D430.9000107@redhat.com> JordanN pointed this out in the #fedora-art channel: http://www.gnome-look.org/content/show.php?content=37879 ~m From nman64 at n-man.com Mon Apr 17 17:49:15 2006 From: nman64 at n-man.com (Patrick W. Barnes) Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2006 12:49:15 -0500 Subject: upload large files in the Wiki In-Reply-To: <369bce3b0604171029g65b8f1bax8a1d0877cfea4085@mail.gmail.com> References: <444395E6.7050801@nicubunu.ro> <369bce3b0604171029g65b8f1bax8a1d0877cfea4085@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200604171249.18517.nman64@n-man.com> On Monday 17 April 2006 12:29, "Thomas Chung" wrote: > On 4/17/06, Nicu Buculei wrote: > > Recently I polished some floating heads for Planet Fedora and I > > privately got asked about tome tips on the subject, so I wrote this: > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/NicuBuculei/Hackerogotchi > > > > It seems my short tutorial was not clear enough, I was asked for a more > > detailed description, so I made a screencast. Which leads me to the > > subject of this question: > > > > What is considered acceptable use for uploading files on the Wiki? How > > about a 13 MB video file in OGG Theora format? Also, how about hot > > linking? Is it forbidden or tolerated? > > I would say it's acceptable. I've uploaded about the same size of ogg > theora for Marketing/Ambassadors Project in the past. > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Tours/FedoraCore5 Indeed. A 13 MiB file would be fine, as long as it is relevant. If you end up needing to upload larger files or a larger number of files at this size, get in touch with the Websites team to make alternative arrangements. You are also free to host it elsewhere and link to it. Linking is permitted as long as it doesn't violate our Forbidden Items policies. -- Patrick "The N-Man" Barnes nman64 at n-man.com http://www.n-man.com/ Have I been helpful? Rate my assistance! http://rate.affero.net/nman64/ -- -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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We don't have money to pay for a full set of icons to be created - the idea is that we'd create them working together, and make the icons available for anyone to use (GPL'ed). I suppose we could do some sort of fundraising thing to try to raise money to have a set of icons created - but creating a full set of icons is a gigantic task and a bit much for one person to do, even if they were getting paid to do it. I think it's better if we work together, and there's plenty of talent in the community. ~m From duffy at redhat.com Mon Apr 17 20:31:43 2006 From: duffy at redhat.com (=?UTF-8?B?TcOhaXLDrW4gRHVmZnk=?=) Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2006 16:31:43 -0400 Subject: My Intro In-Reply-To: <9c3bfa1d0604141125y158f82a2t81dd08e902c6f04d@mail.gmail.com> References: <9c3bfa1d0604141125y158f82a2t81dd08e902c6f04d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4443FB2F.50901@redhat.com> ..// seawolf //.. wrote: > Just thought I'd better say hi. > My names Ben, I'm a 16yr old college student at the mo, doing multimedia. > I've had Linux since 2003, i think: my online nickname of seawolf was > the codename for Red Hat Linux 7.1 -- my first distro. > I haven't got an abundance of time free, but I'll help out where I can > and I'm more than happy to be involved. > > That's me, I hope to be of some use :-) Hey, welcome aboard, Ben! Feel free to dive into whatever you like! Do you have any particular interests in joining the group? (Theming, icon creation, wallpapers, etc.?) ~m From wart at kobold.org Tue Apr 18 00:35:15 2006 From: wart at kobold.org (Michael Thomas) Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2006 17:35:15 -0700 Subject: non-desktop art? Message-ID: <44443443.3060205@kobold.org> I tried asking this on #fedora-art, but it seems quite over there right now. Is there any interest from the Fedora art community in helping out with artwork for some of the Fedora games? Or is that outside the charter of this group? --Mike -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: smime.p7s Type: application/x-pkcs7-signature Size: 3820 bytes Desc: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature URL: From vonchez at sympatico.ca Tue Apr 18 01:23:24 2006 From: vonchez at sympatico.ca (Dave Vazquez-Abrams) Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2006 21:23:24 -0400 Subject: Icons anyone? In-Reply-To: <4443FAD0.3080804@redhat.com> References: <44412F64.1090109@nicubunu.ro> <4443FAD0.3080804@redhat.com> Message-ID: <2E26C81C-3384-4BFB-85C9-0664EB86744C@sympatico.ca> Totally agreed. Thanks for the guidance and kind words everyone. It's my first time doing anything of this sort, so I'm not really to sure about the different little rules and stuff with it, but I'm sure I'll learn fast. -Dave On 17-Apr-06, at 4:30 PM, M?ir?n Duffy wrote: > Nicu Buculei wrote: >> Dave Vazquez-Abrams wrote: >> >>> I've worked on some example icons for everyone to take a peek at, >>> and any constructive criticism/ praise and love would be greatly >>> appreciated. >>> I wouldn't mind making a full set of icons, but I can't promise >>> that I can do it for free, but, if you do need a sort of coffee >>> gopher, I can do little stuff for zip, zero, nada! >> In my understanding, one of the purposes of this subproject is to >> create a full set of icons for free. > > We don't have money to pay for a full set of icons to be created - > the idea is that we'd create them working together, and make the > icons available for anyone to use (GPL'ed). > > I suppose we could do some sort of fundraising thing to try to > raise money to have a set of icons created - but creating a full > set of icons is a gigantic task and a bit much for one person to > do, even if they were getting paid to do it. I think it's better if > we work together, and there's plenty of talent in the community. > > ~m > > > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list From duffy at redhat.com Tue Apr 18 01:47:48 2006 From: duffy at redhat.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?M=E1ir=EDn_Duffy?=) Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2006 21:47:48 -0400 Subject: non-desktop art? In-Reply-To: <44443443.3060205@kobold.org> References: <44443443.3060205@kobold.org> Message-ID: <44444544.3000707@redhat.com> Hi Mike, Michael Thomas wrote: > I tried asking this on #fedora-art, but it seems quite over there right now. > > Is there any interest from the Fedora art community in helping out with > artwork for some of the Fedora games? Or is that outside the charter of > this group? Do you mean the gnome games? What games are you talking about specifically? Pretty much anything art-related is fair game. We've even got some 'marketing' artwork for the CD-ROMs (thanks Nicu :) ). ~m From wart at kobold.org Tue Apr 18 02:04:17 2006 From: wart at kobold.org (Wart) Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2006 19:04:17 -0700 Subject: non-desktop art? In-Reply-To: <44444544.3000707@redhat.com> References: <44443443.3060205@kobold.org> <44444544.3000707@redhat.com> Message-ID: <44444921.6090909@kobold.org> M?ir?n Duffy wrote: > Hi Mike, > > Michael Thomas wrote: > >> I tried asking this on #fedora-art, but it seems quite over there >> right now. >> >> Is there any interest from the Fedora art community in helping out with >> artwork for some of the Fedora games? Or is that outside the charter of >> this group? > > > Do you mean the gnome games? What games are you talking about specifically? > > Pretty much anything art-related is fair game. We've even got some > 'marketing' artwork for the CD-ROMs (thanks Nicu :) ). > > ~m > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list There's one developer who is still working on a game, but does intend to package it for FE. The Games SIG has already offered him help with his software development. Unfortunately, he has had some trouble getting images to use in his game. I thought that f-a-l might be able to help out by providing him with some open-source images that he could use instead of trying to relicense images from other games. See the thread on f-e-l for more info: https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-extras-list/2006-April/msg00951.html A second game that could use a lot of help is freedoom, a freely redistributable set of replacement game files for Doom2. The freedoom project has produce quite a lot of content already, but is missing some sprites for several of the monsters later in the game. freedoom has already been packaged for FE, but the missing sprites make for an odd experience on some of the later levels when you get attacked by a floating text box in the air that reads "Freedoom missing graphic". :) We've already packaged two Doom file editors in FE, yadex and deutex, that can help merge new sprites into game files, so all we really need are the images themselves. --Mike From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Tue Apr 18 06:00:20 2006 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2006 09:00:20 +0300 Subject: My Intro In-Reply-To: <4443FB2F.50901@redhat.com> References: <9c3bfa1d0604141125y158f82a2t81dd08e902c6f04d@mail.gmail.com> <4443FB2F.50901@redhat.com> Message-ID: <44448074.8050601@nicubunu.ro> M?ir?n Duffy wrote: > > Hey, welcome aboard, Ben! Feel free to dive into whatever you like! Do > you have any particular interests in joining the group? (Theming, icon > creation, wallpapers, etc.?) Now if you ask that, i am not Ben but i am interested in various things, one of them being wallpapers, so what can i do with my wallpapers beside submitting them to fedoraforum.org, art.gnome.org and the likes? -- nicu - struggling to get his http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ from 3-rd place to the first in a Google query for "fedora wallpapers" with over 1 million results From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Tue Apr 18 06:22:29 2006 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2006 09:22:29 +0300 Subject: non-desktop art? In-Reply-To: <44444544.3000707@redhat.com> References: <44443443.3060205@kobold.org> <44444544.3000707@redhat.com> Message-ID: <444485A5.10602@nicubunu.ro> M?ir?n Duffy wrote: > Michael Thomas wrote: >> >> Is there any interest from the Fedora art community in helping out with >> artwork for some of the Fedora games? Or is that outside the charter of >> this group? > > Do you mean the gnome games? What games are you talking about specifically? Yesterday when i learned about the games SIG i was hit about an idea: is some interest on personalizing the look of Gnome games? I realize this is somewhat contrary to the desire of staying as close as possible to upstream. I just started to feel the taste of modifying graphics on those games with Gnome 2.14 which have my graphics as default in gnobots and my playing cards on gnome-games-extras. Ideas for such personalization: - a set of stones in Same Gnome featuring the infinity symbol from the logo; - the back of the playing cards being in Fedora's blue. -- nicu my hats collection: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/hats/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From wart at kobold.org Tue Apr 18 06:40:14 2006 From: wart at kobold.org (Wart) Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2006 23:40:14 -0700 Subject: non-desktop art? In-Reply-To: <444485A5.10602@nicubunu.ro> References: <44443443.3060205@kobold.org> <44444544.3000707@redhat.com> <444485A5.10602@nicubunu.ro> Message-ID: <444489CE.2010909@kobold.org> Cross-posting to f-g-l due to relevance: Nicu Buculei wrote: > M?ir?n Duffy wrote: > >> Michael Thomas wrote: >> >>> >>> Is there any interest from the Fedora art community in helping out with >>> artwork for some of the Fedora games? Or is that outside the charter of >>> this group? >> >> >> Do you mean the gnome games? What games are you talking about >> specifically? > > > Yesterday when i learned about the games SIG i was hit about an idea: is > some interest on personalizing the look of Gnome games? I realize this > is somewhat contrary to the desire of staying as close as possible to > upstream. > > I just started to feel the taste of modifying graphics on those games > with Gnome 2.14 which have my graphics as default in gnobots and my > playing cards on gnome-games-extras. > > Ideas for such personalization: > - a set of stones in Same Gnome featuring the infinity symbol from the > logo; > - the back of the playing cards being in Fedora's blue. I think this is a fine idea. From what I can tell, installing a new same-gnome theme is just a matter of dropping a new .png file into /usr/share/gnome-games/same-gnome/themes. Other gnome games are probably just as easy to re-theme. I can see two ways to add the additional themes. The preferred method would be to submit them upstream and get them included in the original upstream package. This would simplify the packaging and installation process greatly. If, for whatever reason, upstream is not receptive to adding new themes, then we can make a new 'gnome-games-themes' package that contains the new themes. The advantage of using a separate package is that new themes could be added without having to coordinate with upstream gnome-games releases. I would welcome new themes for these games and would be willing to help coordinate with upstream or package them separately as needed. --Wart From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Tue Apr 18 08:34:41 2006 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2006 11:34:41 +0300 Subject: non-desktop art? In-Reply-To: <444489CE.2010909@kobold.org> References: <44443443.3060205@kobold.org> <44444544.3000707@redhat.com> <444485A5.10602@nicubunu.ro> <444489CE.2010909@kobold.org> Message-ID: <4444A4A1.4000203@nicubunu.ro> Wart wrote: > Cross-posting to f-g-l due to relevance: I thought myself about cross-posting in the first place, sorry for not doing it :p > Nicu Buculei wrote: >> Ideas for such personalization: >> - a set of stones in Same Gnome featuring the infinity symbol from the >> logo; >> - the back of the playing cards being in Fedora's blue. > > I think this is a fine idea. From what I can tell, installing a new > same-gnome theme is just a matter of dropping a new .png file into > /usr/share/gnome-games/same-gnome/themes. Other gnome games are > probably just as easy to re-theme. Right, usually just dropping a PNG or SVG file. See a simple example: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/games/same_fedora.svg (it have to be modified for final use, a little animation is needed). Just drop in the same-gnome themes directory. Or just look at the screenshot: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/games/Screenshot-Same%20GNOME.png > I can see two ways to add the additional themes. The preferred method > would be to submit them upstream and get them included in the original > upstream package. This would simplify the packaging and installation > process greatly. I do not think is useful to send branded themes to upstream, almost sure they will not want to promote any specific distro. > I would welcome new themes for these games and would be willing to help > coordinate with upstream or package them separately as needed. I think i'm going now to do an animated version of the theme, just for my amusement :p -- nicu my hats collection: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/hats/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Tue Apr 18 10:06:40 2006 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2006 13:06:40 +0300 Subject: non-desktop art? In-Reply-To: <4444A4A1.4000203@nicubunu.ro> References: <44443443.3060205@kobold.org> <44444544.3000707@redhat.com> <444485A5.10602@nicubunu.ro> <444489CE.2010909@kobold.org> <4444A4A1.4000203@nicubunu.ro> Message-ID: <4444BA30.1060202@nicubunu.ro> Nicu Buculei wrote: > See a simple example: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/games/same_fedora.svg > (it have to be modified for final use, a little animation is needed). [...] > > I think i'm going now to do an animated version of the theme, just for > my amusement :p I updated the SVG, now is animated. -- nicu my hats collection: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/hats/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From wart at kobold.org Tue Apr 18 14:27:05 2006 From: wart at kobold.org (Wart) Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2006 07:27:05 -0700 Subject: non-desktop art? In-Reply-To: <4444BA30.1060202@nicubunu.ro> References: <44443443.3060205@kobold.org> <44444544.3000707@redhat.com> <444485A5.10602@nicubunu.ro> <444489CE.2010909@kobold.org> <4444A4A1.4000203@nicubunu.ro> <4444BA30.1060202@nicubunu.ro> Message-ID: <4444F739.6090907@kobold.org> Nicu Buculei wrote: > Nicu Buculei wrote: > >> See a simple example: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/games/same_fedora.svg >> (it have to be modified for final use, a little animation is needed). > > [...] > >> >> I think i'm going now to do an animated version of the theme, just for >> my amusement :p > > > I updated the SVG, now is animated. Very nice. Here is what I found about contributing these to upstream: http://www.gnome.org/projects/gnome-games/contributing.html It basically says to file a bug report in the Gnome bugzilla system: http://bugzilla.gnome.org/ Go ahead and do this. If they are not responsive or decide not to include your themes then let me know and we can work on a add-on theme package. Regards, --Wart From dfong at redhat.com Wed Apr 19 00:13:29 2006 From: dfong at redhat.com (Diana Fong) Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2006 20:13:29 -0400 Subject: CD/DVD art used at LinuxWorld and FUDCon 2006 Message-ID: <444580A9.7060908@redhat.com> Just posted the CD/DVD art used on the Fedora Core 5 DVDs given out at LinuxWorld and FUDCon (Boston) 2006. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/CDArt Diana From tchung at fedoraproject.org Wed Apr 19 00:17:20 2006 From: tchung at fedoraproject.org (Thomas Chung) Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2006 17:17:20 -0700 Subject: CD/DVD art used at LinuxWorld and FUDCon 2006 In-Reply-To: <444580A9.7060908@redhat.com> References: <444580A9.7060908@redhat.com> Message-ID: <369bce3b0604181717k7a4a84cdq1e9892d788a5584f@mail.gmail.com> On 4/18/06, Diana Fong wrote: > Just posted the CD/DVD art used on the Fedora Core 5 DVDs given out at > LinuxWorld and FUDCon (Boston) 2006. > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/CDArt > > Diana Thank you Diana. I really appreciated. Regards, -- Thomas Chung http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ThomasChung From iamseawolf at gmail.com Wed Apr 19 11:29:34 2006 From: iamseawolf at gmail.com (..// seawolf //..) Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 12:29:34 +0100 Subject: My Intro In-Reply-To: <4443FB2F.50901@redhat.com> References: <9c3bfa1d0604141125y158f82a2t81dd08e902c6f04d@mail.gmail.com> <4443FB2F.50901@redhat.com> Message-ID: <9c3bfa1d0604190429m61449653y51ffd48b76b0e12@mail.gmail.com> Really, I'd like to start some theming as it's something I haven't really done before and I like seeing pretty graphics fit together. Also, for little things like the CD/DVD artwork would be good -- the little things :-) On 17/04/06, M?ir?n Duffy wrote: > Hey, welcome aboard, Ben! Feel free to dive into whatever you like! Do you have > any particular interests in joining the group? (Theming, icon creation, > wallpapers, etc.?) -- ..// seawolf //.. e-mail / msn / icq / yahoo iamseawolf (at) gmail (dot) com http://clik.to/seawolfsanctuary fedora core 5 : artwork GnuPG Available - ask me! From ivazquez at ivazquez.net Thu Apr 20 18:10:43 2006 From: ivazquez at ivazquez.net (Ignacio Vazquez-Abrams) Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 14:10:43 -0400 Subject: Music Applet needs an icon Message-ID: <1145556643.10885.10.camel@ignacio.lan> Paul Kuliniewicz is looking for an icon for Music Applet (gnome-applet-music in Fedora Extras). Music Applet is a GNOME panel applet designed to control Rhythmbox (Core), Banshee (Extras), and XMMS2 (not in Fedora). More details are available at: http://web.ics.purdue.edu/~kuliniew/wp/archives/2006/03/28/call-for-artwork/ http://web.ics.purdue.edu/~kuliniew/music-applet/ -- Ignacio Vazquez-Abrams http://fedora.ivazquez.net/ gpg --keyserver hkp://subkeys.pgp.net --recv-key 38028b72 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 191 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: