From baerjj at gmail.com Fri Dec 1 02:36:47 2006 From: baerjj at gmail.com (John Baer) Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2006 21:36:47 -0500 Subject: planet propose for FC7 In-Reply-To: <20061129074754.9061A73548@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20061129074754.9061A73548@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1164940607.9075.11.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Wed, 2006-11-29 at 02:47 -0500, fedora-art-list-request at redhat.com wrote: > mola pahnadayan wrote: > > hi :) > mola, The number of comments on your "Planet Fedora" wallpaper is a testimony to your talent and the quality of your artwork. I am very impressed and would like to see this grow. Questions 1. Is your desire to expand this into a theme? 2. If so, do you need assistance in the development of some other images? 3. Do you need help with the theme wiki page? If this is to be a theme I would suggest the theme title be expanded to something like "the universe of fedora" as IMHO this would allow additional space images. In my mind "fedora planet" renders to images of earthy landscapes and things. Either way thank you for your contribution. Cheers, John From luya_tfz at thefinalzone.com Mon Dec 4 05:01:12 2006 From: luya_tfz at thefinalzone.com (Luya Tshimbalanga) Date: Sun, 03 Dec 2006 21:01:12 -0800 Subject: Metacity concept Message-ID: <4573AB98.2010903@thefinalzone.com> Updated concept about metacity http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/LuyaTshimbalanga/MetacityConcept based from http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/LuyaTshimbalanga/ConceptWidget -- ??D0 From luya at fedoraproject.org Mon Dec 4 04:54:58 2006 From: luya at fedoraproject.org (Luya Tshimbalanga) Date: Sun, 03 Dec 2006 20:54:58 -0800 Subject: Metacity Concept Message-ID: <4573AA22.9070004@fedoraproject.org> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-encrypted Size: 11 bytes Desc: PGP/MIME version identification URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Since I know someone is working on a submission but asked for up until this Wednesday (Dec 6) to submit, I'm going to extend the submission deadline a couple of days. Once we get everything in Wednesday night I'll write up a list of all the proposals and we can start discussing them for round 2. Thanks, ~m From jjmasek at gmail.com Tue Dec 5 10:20:20 2006 From: jjmasek at gmail.com (Jiri Jakub Masek) Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2006 11:20:20 +0100 Subject: HELP WANTED Message-ID: Hi people, could you help me? I did the CLA, I did an account on FedoraWiki, but it's not just enough of time to learn creating Wiki pages to publish my proposal. So, I posted it to my web, http://jjm.xf.cz Could somebody to create that Wiki page for me, please? I promise that I'll learn creating Wiki pages for the next need. JJM -- I'm still learning English... Ji?? Jakub Ma?ek - Mr Jiri Jakub Masek Czech Republic, European Union -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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About learning to create Wiki pages: is easy, just go to a similar page, click "Edit", select and copy all the text, create your new page, paste the text and modify it. -- nicu Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From jjmasek at gmail.com Tue Dec 5 13:44:39 2006 From: jjmasek at gmail.com (Jiri Jakub Masek) Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2006 14:44:39 +0100 Subject: HELP WANTED In-Reply-To: <4575521A.3050201@nicubunu.ro> References: <4575521A.3050201@nicubunu.ro> Message-ID: Hi Nicu, thanks, if I understand it, I can't add myself to EditGroup, you can. So, do it, please, my username could be JiriJakubMasek, or simply JiriMasek JJM 2006/12/5, Nicu Buculei : > > Jiri Jakub Masek wrote: > > Hi people, could you help me? > > > > I did the CLA, I did an account on FedoraWiki, but it's not just enough > > of time to learn creating Wiki pages to publish my proposal. So, I > > posted it to my web, http://jjm.xf.cz > > I see you signed the CLA (as jjm) but are not listed on the EditGroup > (http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/EditGroup), I can add you but I need your > user name. > > > Could somebody to create that Wiki page for me, please? I promise that > > I'll learn creating Wiki pages for the next need. > > Here is it: > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fc7ThemeProposalEnergyInterferences > But you should add some words and describe your concept. > > About learning to create Wiki pages: is easy, just go to a similar page, > click "Edit", select and copy all the text, create your new page, paste > the text and modify it. > > -- > nicu > Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ > Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org > my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list > -- I'm still learning English... Ji?? Jakub Ma?ek - Mr Jiri Jakub Masek Czech Republic, European Union -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I made minor adjustments to the "Fedora by moon light" wall paper and I added a splash image corrected to 16 colors. Cheers, John http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fc7ThemeProposalFlyingHigh From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Wed Dec 6 11:52:32 2006 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Wed, 06 Dec 2006 13:52:32 +0200 Subject: [FC7 theme proposal] Flying High with Fedora 7 - Round 1 In-Reply-To: <1165403940.3407.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1165403940.3407.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <4576AF00.2050002@nicubunu.ro> John Baer wrote: > > I made minor adjustments to the "Fedora by moon light" wall paper and I > added a splash image corrected to 16 colors. It seems more themes have a convergence on the "starry night" idea: this "moon light" in "Flying High", the new additions in "Borealis", the whole "Planet"... Even "Dreams" may be somewhat connected with "night" -- Join the Fedora Art group on Mugshot: http://mugshot.org/group?who=DrZ42qVjmPWmnh From jjmasek at gmail.com Wed Dec 6 13:23:47 2006 From: jjmasek at gmail.com (Jiri Jakub Masek) Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2006 14:23:47 +0100 Subject: HELP WANTED In-Reply-To: <45759506.3010700@redhat.com> References: <4575521A.3050201@nicubunu.ro> <45759506.3010700@redhat.com> Message-ID: Thanks JJM 2006/12/5, Diana Fong : > > Jiri Jakub Masek wrote: > > Hi Nicu, thanks, if I understand it, I can't add myself to EditGroup, > > you can. So, do it, please, my username could be JiriJakubMasek, or > > simply JiriMasek > > > > JJM > > JJM > > I just added you to EditGroup as JiriJakubMasek. > > Diana Fong > --- > Red Hat > Visual Designer | Desktop Group > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list > -- I'm still learning English... Ji?? 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I see no announcement for another extension, so here is a list of the proposals gathered so far (in chronological order): - Borealis, by M?ir?n Duffy: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fc7ThemeProposalFedoraBorealis - Flying High, by John Baer: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fc7ThemeProposalFlyingHigh - Dreams, by John Baer: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fc7ThemeProposalFedoraDreams - Planet, by Mola Pahnadayan: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fc7ThemeProposalplanet - Energy Interferences, by Jiri Jakub Masek: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fc7ThemeProposalEnergyInterferences We had a couple of other ideas advanced, but lacking a formal proposal accompanied by the required wiki page: - Games, by Ifeoma Onuorah: https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-art-list/2006-August/msg00213.html and https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-art-list/2006-October/msg00121.html - Tangram, by Jiri Jakub Masek: https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-art-list/2006-October/msg00099.html (this one has an adaptation for Flying High: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fc7ThemeProposalFlyingHigh?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=jjm-flying-high01.png) Hope I have not missed anything -- Join the Fedora Art group on Mugshot: http://mugshot.org/group?who=DrZ42qVjmPWmnh From onuorah_ifeoma at yahoo.com Thu Dec 7 19:55:05 2006 From: onuorah_ifeoma at yahoo.com (Ifeoma Onuorah) Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2006 11:55:05 -0800 (PST) Subject: FC7 themes In-Reply-To: <4577C149.7030703@nicubunu.ro> Message-ID: <20061207195505.32783.qmail@web35715.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I proposed the "games theme" but I haven't really developed it. Maybe it's something that could be discussed more for the next release of Fedora. as for now the themes that are more advanced and that people seem to really enjoy (i.e. Fedora Borealis, Tangrams..etc) seem really cool! For the next release hopefully I'll be a little more productive and actually make a wiki page :) ____________________________________________________________________________________ Cheap talk? Check out Yahoo! Messenger's low PC-to-Phone call rates. http://voice.yahoo.com From sdl.web at gmail.com Thu Dec 7 21:41:24 2006 From: sdl.web at gmail.com (Leo) Date: Thu, 07 Dec 2006 21:41:24 +0000 Subject: FC7 themes References: <4577C149.7030703@nicubunu.ro> <20061207195505.32783.qmail@web35715.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On THU, 7 DEC 2006, Ifeoma Onuorah wrote: > I proposed the "games theme" but I haven't really > developed it. Maybe it's something that could be > discussed more for the next release of Fedora. as for > now the themes that are more advanced and that people > seem to really enjoy (i.e. Fedora Borealis, > Tangrams..etc) seem really cool! For the next release > hopefully I'll be a little more productive and > actually make a wiki page :) > I think the theme proposal time is over. We might need to wait for the decision and start working on that specific one:) -- Leo From onuorah_ifeoma at yahoo.com Thu Dec 7 21:55:48 2006 From: onuorah_ifeoma at yahoo.com (Ifeoma Onuorah) Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2006 13:55:48 -0800 (PST) Subject: FC7 themes In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20061207215548.74502.qmail@web35715.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- Leo wrote: > On THU, 7 DEC 2006, Ifeoma Onuorah wrote: > > > I proposed the "games theme" but I haven't really > > developed it. Maybe it's something that could be > > discussed more for the next release of Fedora. as > for > > now the themes that are more advanced and that > people > > seem to really enjoy (i.e. Fedora Borealis, > > Tangrams..etc) seem really cool! For the next > release > > hopefully I'll be a little more productive and > > actually make a wiki page :) > > > > I think the theme proposal time is over. We might > need to wait for the > decision and start working on that specific one:) > > -- > Leo Ohh I know deadlines are over I was talking in respects to FC8 and the gaming theme maybe.. I'm very excited to see what will be developed in Round 2 of FC7 w/ the excellent themes that people have developed :) > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Want to start your own business? Learn how on Yahoo! Small Business. http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/r-index From sdl.web at gmail.com Thu Dec 7 22:44:22 2006 From: sdl.web at gmail.com (Leo) Date: Thu, 07 Dec 2006 22:44:22 +0000 Subject: FC7 themes References: <20061207215548.74502.qmail@web35715.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On THU, 7 DEC 2006, Ifeoma Onuorah wrote: > Ohh I know deadlines are over I was talking in > respects to FC8 and the gaming theme maybe.. I'm very > excited to see what will be developed in Round 2 of > FC7 w/ the excellent themes that people have developed How about turning them into real wallpapers? That would impress more people for sure. -- Leo From onuorah_ifeoma at yahoo.com Thu Dec 7 22:54:19 2006 From: onuorah_ifeoma at yahoo.com (Ifeoma Onuorah) Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2006 14:54:19 -0800 (PST) Subject: FC7 themes In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <337359.45101.qm@web35708.mail.mud.yahoo.com> That's actually a great idea and was my original intention. I don't see the "gaming theme" fitting in that well as a fedora theme. But I think they would look nice as wallpapers :) I'll definately expand on that. Thanx for the advice!! -Ify --- Leo wrote: > On THU, 7 DEC 2006, Ifeoma Onuorah wrote: > > > Ohh I know deadlines are over I was talking in > > respects to FC8 and the gaming theme maybe.. I'm > very > > excited to see what will be developed in Round 2 > of > > FC7 w/ the excellent themes that people have > developed > > How about turning them into real wallpapers? That > would impress more > people for sure. > > -- > Leo > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Need a quick answer? Get one in minutes from people who know. Ask your question on www.Answers.yahoo.com From duffy at redhat.com Fri Dec 8 03:18:31 2006 From: duffy at redhat.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?M=E1ir=EDn_Duffy?=) Date: Thu, 07 Dec 2006 22:18:31 -0500 Subject: FC7 Theme Round 1 is over, let's start round 2! (was Re: Round 1 Submission Deadline Extension) In-Reply-To: <4577C149.7030703@nicubunu.ro> References: <45743E0D.9090700@redhat.com> <4577C149.7030703@nicubunu.ro> Message-ID: <4578D987.8040907@redhat.com> Okay, so round 1 is officially over. The list that Nicu so helpfully compiled (thanks!!) is the official list of theme candidates for FC7. I linked to all of them from the FC7 Theme page as well: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/FC7Themes I've also took a lot of the round 1 specific information out of the page and added round 2 specific information. Basically, here's how I'm hoping we can run round 2 as is written on the wiki page: "There is no formal voting process for themes right now (in round 2). You vote with your time and effort! So if you really like a theme idea, chip in and help refine it! For our next round (round 3), we'll take stock of how the themes have evolved and try to figure out which ones we need to choose between if there is no clear standout candidate." While the main point of round 1 was to figure out concepts we felt would relate to Fedora, for round 2 we should be focusing on rendering those concepts and making them visually appealing. As part of this, we'll probably want to start thinking about how some key theme pieces will look - GDM (login), RHGB (start-up progress screen), and of course the desktop wallpaper. But there's no need to flesh every theming piece out for round 2 (that's what round 3 will be all about!) The name of the game now though is definitely 'polish'. Anyway, to further develop the theme(s) of your selection, try thinking about some of these kinds of questions and sketch out your answers: - Does the color palette of this theme reflect the idea I'm trying to portray? - Does the style this theme is rendered in reflect its concept? What other styles might be appropriate? - What other pieces of art or design that I've seen also reflect this concept and could serve as inspiration to this theme? - How grating or pleasant would this theme be for a desktop user to see every single day? Is there anything about it that stands out and calls too much attention to itself? How can I 'mute' this design so it stands in the background without compromising its ability to relate its concept? - Are there alternative ways of arranging the visual elements in this theme that might be more effective? Try looking through some of the Gestalt principles [1] for inspiration on alternative ways to represent your concept and to play around with your theme visually. You may want to try to recruit other artists to help out with your theme. Deviant art [2] is one good place to do that; I'm sure there are others. Anyway, here's the list Nicu put together with a summary of what each theme is about. I took off the two themes that weren't formally proposed since they don't actually have a concept statement or wiki pages: > - Borealis, by M?ir?n Duffy: > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fc7ThemeProposalFedoraBorealis 'One of the core values of Fedora is only including free and open source software, without including non-free software, codecs, drivers, patents, etc. We try to be a *pure* operating system. So the main word I'd use to describe this theme is pure.' > - Flying High, by John Baer: > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fc7ThemeProposalFlyingHigh 'Flying high reflects the level of achievement obtained by the core 7 release of fedora.' > - Dreams, by John Baer: > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fc7ThemeProposalFedoraDreams 'The idea here is you are only limited by what you can imagine.' > > - Planet, by Mola Pahnadayan: > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fc7ThemeProposalplanet (none stated) > - Energy Interferences, by Jiri Jakub Masek: > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fc7ThemeProposalEnergyInterferences 'All of this universe is built on the energy interferences. The theme is based on a visualization how could these interferences look if we could see them in a *sub-subatomic* level.' ~m [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gestalt_psychology [2] http://www.deviantart.com/ From sdl.web at gmail.com Fri Dec 8 04:05:35 2006 From: sdl.web at gmail.com (Leo) Date: Fri, 08 Dec 2006 04:05:35 +0000 Subject: FC7 Theme Round 1 is over, let's start round 2! References: <45743E0D.9090700@redhat.com> <4577C149.7030703@nicubunu.ro> <4578D987.8040907@redhat.com> Message-ID: On FRI, 8 DEC 2006, M?ir?n Duffy wrote: > Okay, so round 1 is officially over. The list that Nicu so helpfully > compiled (thanks!!) is the official list of theme candidates for > FC7. I linked to all of them from the FC7 Theme page as well: > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/FC7Themes Those are great pictures! Thanks everyone. One thing that confuses me for a long time is the fact that the art team is rather concentrated on creating those wallpaper-like pictures. I am not saying it is not important. They are critical elements of a consistent-looking theme. But what about the gtk2 and metacity themes, and the icon theme? Particularly the icon theme, it is overdue for a change. Cheers, -- Leo From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Fri Dec 8 04:08:25 2006 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Fri, 08 Dec 2006 09:38:25 +0530 Subject: FC7 Theme Round 1 is over, let's start round 2! In-Reply-To: References: <45743E0D.9090700@redhat.com> <4577C149.7030703@nicubunu.ro> <4578D987.8040907@redhat.com> Message-ID: <4578E539.1020902@fedoraproject.org> Leo wrote: > On FRI, 8 DEC 2006, M?ir?n Duffy wrote: > >> Okay, so round 1 is officially over. The list that Nicu so helpfully >> compiled (thanks!!) is the official list of theme candidates for >> FC7. I linked to all of them from the FC7 Theme page as well: >> >> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/FC7Themes > > Those are great pictures! Thanks everyone. > > One thing that confuses me for a long time is the fact that the art > team is rather concentrated on creating those wallpaper-like > pictures. I am not saying it is not important. They are critical > elements of a consistent-looking theme. But what about the gtk2 and > metacity themes, and the icon theme? Particularly the icon theme, it > is overdue for a change. Window manager theme was discussed a few weeks at https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-art-list/2006-November/msg00085.html. We just need to pick that up and polish it more. The Fedora development tree aka 'rawhide' already has a new icon theme. See http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/EchoDevelopment. Rahul From duffy at redhat.com Fri Dec 8 04:15:02 2006 From: duffy at redhat.com (=?UTF-8?B?TcOhaXLDrW4gRHVmZnk=?=) Date: Thu, 07 Dec 2006 23:15:02 -0500 Subject: FC7 Theme Round 1 is over, let's start round 2! In-Reply-To: References: <45743E0D.9090700@redhat.com> <4577C149.7030703@nicubunu.ro> <4578D987.8040907@redhat.com> Message-ID: <4578E6C6.8030708@redhat.com> Hi Leo, Leo wrote: > On FRI, 8 DEC 2006, M?ir?n Duffy wrote: > >> Okay, so round 1 is officially over. The list that Nicu so helpfully >> compiled (thanks!!) is the official list of theme candidates for >> FC7. I linked to all of them from the FC7 Theme page as well: >> >> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/FC7Themes > > Those are great pictures! Thanks everyone. > > One thing that confuses me for a long time is the fact that the art > team is rather concentrated on creating those wallpaper-like > pictures. I am not saying it is not important. They are critical > elements of a consistent-looking theme. > But what about the gtk2 and > metacity themes, I think for gtk2 we are probably going to stick with Clearlooks. Clearlooks is getting some features that give it the glossiness Murrine has, and it's also the GNOME upstream theming engine. Andy Fitzsimon put together a Murrine theme that has very very nice Fedora colors, and I think he's working on porting it to Clearlooks. > and the icon theme? Particularly the icon theme, it > is overdue for a change. Well, I think there are some working on Echo. I'm not really involved in that, though. I think I've mentioned before I like some of Andy Fitzsimon's ideas around using Tango as an upstream and applying styles to it [1]. ~m [1] http://live.gnome.org/AwesomeArtShit (towards the bottom of the page) From sdl.web at gmail.com Fri Dec 8 04:38:51 2006 From: sdl.web at gmail.com (Leo) Date: Fri, 08 Dec 2006 04:38:51 +0000 Subject: FC7 Theme Round 1 is over, let's start round 2! References: <45743E0D.9090700@redhat.com> <4577C149.7030703@nicubunu.ro> <4578D987.8040907@redhat.com> <4578E539.1020902@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: On FRI, 8 DEC 2006, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > Window manager theme was discussed a few weeks at > https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-art-list/2006-November/msg00085.html. We > just need to pick that up and polish it more. > This one has been in the public for a few months before Andrea submitted to this list. > The Fedora development tree aka 'rawhide' already has a new icon > theme. See http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/EchoDevelopment. > That page has not been updated for a while. -- Leo From sdl.web at gmail.com Fri Dec 8 04:42:36 2006 From: sdl.web at gmail.com (Leo) Date: Fri, 08 Dec 2006 04:42:36 +0000 Subject: FC7 Theme Round 1 is over, let's start round 2! References: <45743E0D.9090700@redhat.com> <4577C149.7030703@nicubunu.ro> <4578D987.8040907@redhat.com> <4578E6C6.8030708@redhat.com> Message-ID: On FRI, 8 DEC 2006, M?ir?n Duffy wrote: > I think for gtk2 we are probably going to stick with > Clearlooks. Clearlooks is getting some features that give it the > glossiness Murrine has, and it's also the GNOME upstream theming > engine. Andy Fitzsimon put together a Murrine theme that has very > very nice Fedora colors, and I think he's working on porting it to > Clearlooks. Sounds very good! I didn't know this going on. > >> and the icon theme? Particularly the icon theme, it >> is overdue for a change. > > Well, I think there are some working on Echo. I'm not really involved > in that, though. I think I've mentioned before I like some of Andy > Fitzsimon's ideas around using Tango as an upstream and applying > styles to it [1]. > Andy's idea is unique and I like it too. > ~m > > [1] http://live.gnome.org/AwesomeArtShit (towards the bottom of the page) -- Leo From duffy at redhat.com Fri Dec 8 05:33:49 2006 From: duffy at redhat.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?M=E1ir=EDn_Duffy?=) Date: Fri, 08 Dec 2006 00:33:49 -0500 Subject: Flying High with Fedora: Round 2 Message-ID: <4578F93D.8090306@redhat.com> Hey, So I added another iteration of Flying High with Fedora (Try 6): http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fc7ThemeProposalFlyingHigh ~m From onuorah_ifeoma at yahoo.com Fri Dec 8 05:43:01 2006 From: onuorah_ifeoma at yahoo.com (Ifeoma Onuorah) Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2006 21:43:01 -0800 (PST) Subject: Flying High with Fedora: Round 2 In-Reply-To: <4578F93D.8090306@redhat.com> Message-ID: <124898.57660.qm@web35704.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- M?ir?n Duffy wrote: I really like this new version of flying high! Is there a reason why there are no signature fedora F's present? > Hey, > > So I added another iteration of Flying High with > Fedora (Try 6): > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fc7ThemeProposalFlyingHigh > > ~m > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Cheap talk? Check out Yahoo! Messenger's low PC-to-Phone call rates. http://voice.yahoo.com From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Fri Dec 8 06:51:29 2006 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Fri, 08 Dec 2006 08:51:29 +0200 Subject: FC7 Theme Round 1 is over, let's start round 2! (was Re: Round 1 Submission Deadline Extension) In-Reply-To: <4578D987.8040907@redhat.com> References: <45743E0D.9090700@redhat.com> <4577C149.7030703@nicubunu.ro> <4578D987.8040907@redhat.com> Message-ID: <45790B71.4050509@nicubunu.ro> M?ir?n Duffy wrote: > > I've also took a lot of the round 1 specific information out of the page > and added round 2 specific information. Basically, here's how I'm hoping > we can run round 2 as is written on the wiki page: You should also set a deadline for round 2. I guess we can allow one or even two months for this round. One month probably is not enough considering the vacancy around winter holidays, two months may be too long considering Fedora's development cycle. -- nicu Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Fri Dec 8 06:59:16 2006 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Fri, 08 Dec 2006 08:59:16 +0200 Subject: FC7 Theme Round 1 is over, let's start round 2! In-Reply-To: References: <45743E0D.9090700@redhat.com> <4577C149.7030703@nicubunu.ro> <4578D987.8040907@redhat.com> Message-ID: <45790D44.1060709@nicubunu.ro> Leo wrote: > > One thing that confuses me for a long time is the fact that the art > team is rather concentrated on creating those wallpaper-like > pictures. I am not saying it is not important. They are critical > elements of a consistent-looking theme. But what about the gtk2 and > metacity themes, and the icon theme? Particularly the icon theme, it > is overdue for a change. Wallpapers, gtk themes and icons are orthogonal. Development on one of them does not affect directly the other. Also, different people can work on each of them. Working on gtk themes require knowledge of gtk and some programming abilities, icons are a little scary because the work is huge (we need a lot of them) so obviously people tend to concentrate on what seems easier and with a lower barrier to entry: wallpaper-like images. I believe we are not superhumans :p -- nicu Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Fri Dec 8 07:03:10 2006 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Fri, 08 Dec 2006 09:03:10 +0200 Subject: FC7 Theme Round 1 is over, let's start round 2! In-Reply-To: <4578E6C6.8030708@redhat.com> References: <45743E0D.9090700@redhat.com> <4577C149.7030703@nicubunu.ro> <4578D987.8040907@redhat.com> <4578E6C6.8030708@redhat.com> Message-ID: <45790E2E.9040403@nicubunu.ro> M?ir?n Duffy wrote: > > Well, I think there are some working on Echo. I'm not really involved in > that, though. I think I've mentioned before I like some of Andy > Fitzsimon's ideas around using Tango as an upstream and applying styles > to it [1]. Sorry for being so blunt: Andy's idea look very cool on paper, but do you have realistic expectation of it being implemented in due time even for FC 8? -- nicu Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Fri Dec 8 07:13:26 2006 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Fri, 08 Dec 2006 09:13:26 +0200 Subject: tools Message-ID: <45791096.40204@nicubunu.ro> This is a warning for people wanting to improve the proposals in Round 2. The majority of images in SVG format are using Inkscape bleeding edge features (like the new implemented blur filter), so the Inkscape from FC6 or even Rawhide is too old, you will need to grab a development version from Inkscape's SVN and make a build for yourself. Alternatively (and I really hate to say this), go to Inkscape website and download and install a version in Autopackage format. -- nicu Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From nicolas.mailhot at laposte.net Fri Dec 8 08:31:14 2006 From: nicolas.mailhot at laposte.net (Nicolas Mailhot) Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2006 09:31:14 +0100 (CET) Subject: tools In-Reply-To: <45791096.40204@nicubunu.ro> References: <45791096.40204@nicubunu.ro> Message-ID: <30148.192.54.193.51.1165566674.squirrel@rousalka.dyndns.org> Le Ven 8 d?cembre 2006 08:13, Nicu Buculei a ?crit : > This is a warning for people wanting to improve the proposals in Round 2. > > The majority of images in SVG format are using Inkscape bleeding edge > features (like the new implemented blur filter), so the Inkscape from > FC6 or even Rawhide is too old, you will need to grab a development > version from Inkscape's SVN and make a build for yourself. > Alternatively (and I really hate to say this), go to Inkscape website > and download and install a version in Autopackage format. IMHO that's grounds enough to gently ping the inkscape packager so a newer version hits rawhide -- Nicolas Mailhot From nicolas.mailhot at laposte.net Fri Dec 8 09:02:48 2006 From: nicolas.mailhot at laposte.net (Nicolas Mailhot) Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2006 10:02:48 +0100 (CET) Subject: FC7 Theme Round 1 is over, let's start round 2! (was Re: Round 1 Submission Deadline Extension) In-Reply-To: <4578D987.8040907@redhat.com> References: <45743E0D.9090700@redhat.com> <4577C149.7030703@nicubunu.ro> <4578D987.8040907@redhat.com> Message-ID: <18161.192.54.193.51.1165568568.squirrel@rousalka.dyndns.org> Le Ven 8 d?cembre 2006 04:18, M?ir?n Duffy a ?crit : >> - Borealis, by M?ir?n Duffy: >> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fc7ThemeProposalFedoraBorealis > > 'One of the core values of Fedora is only including free and open source > software, without including non-free software, codecs, drivers, patents, > etc. We try to be a *pure* operating system. So the main word I'd use to > describe this theme is pure.' This theme is a bit too peaceful a static (except for the drapes variant). We don't want people to get the idea nothing happens in Fedora or a new release is not a special event. I'd add at least one dynamic element (shooting star, plane trace, ground activity) to add some life to the theme. >> - Flying High, by John Baer: >> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fc7ThemeProposalFlyingHigh > > 'Flying high reflects the level of achievement obtained by the core 7 > release of fedora.' I like the way the two balloons on try 5 get the idea of community accross. The other variants either show a single lonely balloon or spread them too much to convene the group idea. >> - Dreams, by John Baer: >> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fc7ThemeProposalFedoraDreams > > 'The idea here is you are only limited by what you can imagine.' I don't really feel any central theme there, though some images are nice. >> - Planet, by Mola Pahnadayan: >> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fc7ThemeProposalplanet > > (none stated) This one has already been discussed. I'll add that the caps on Fedora Project do not seem to respect usual guidelines >> - Energy Interferences, by Jiri Jakub Masek: >> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fc7ThemeProposalEnergyInterferences > > 'All of this universe is built on the energy interferences. The theme is > based on a visualization how could these interferences look if we could > see them in a *sub-subatomic* level.' Sorry, but no. We don't need to stress the hardcore engineer/math/geek aspect of the distro, if anything we need to deemphasize it. Regards, -- Nicolas Mailhot From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Fri Dec 8 09:11:19 2006 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Fri, 08 Dec 2006 11:11:19 +0200 Subject: Flying High with Fedora: Round 2 In-Reply-To: <124898.57660.qm@web35704.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <124898.57660.qm@web35704.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <45792C37.2090200@nicubunu.ro> Ifeoma Onuorah wrote: > I really like this new version of flying high! Is > there a reason why there are no signature fedora F's > present? It may be a little abusing and become boring after a while if we put the logo on everything, so is worth exploring a few images with the logo put discrete, in a corner or without a logo at all. I like this version very much too, but I am not sure it work as a wallpaper (is try 6 in the wallpapers section), because parts of it are very contrasting: dark at the top and light at the bottom, I prefer some uniformity in my wallpapers, to not have a part of the screen distracting my attention. But having something like it for example in the Anaconda graphic would be excellent (IMO). -- nicu Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From duffy at redhat.com Fri Dec 8 14:56:27 2006 From: duffy at redhat.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?M=E1ir=EDn_Duffy?=) Date: Fri, 08 Dec 2006 09:56:27 -0500 Subject: FC7 Theme Round 1 is over, let's start round 2! (was Re: Round 1 Submission Deadline Extension) In-Reply-To: <45790B71.4050509@nicubunu.ro> References: <45743E0D.9090700@redhat.com> <4577C149.7030703@nicubunu.ro> <4578D987.8040907@redhat.com> <45790B71.4050509@nicubunu.ro> Message-ID: <45797D1B.20509@redhat.com> Nicu Buculei wrote: > M?ir?n Duffy wrote: >> >> I've also took a lot of the round 1 specific information out of the >> page and added round 2 specific information. Basically, here's how I'm >> hoping we can run round 2 as is written on the wiki page: > > You should also set a deadline for round 2. > I guess we can allow one or even two months for this round. One month > probably is not enough considering the vacancy around winter holidays, > two months may be too long considering Fedora's development cycle. Excellent point, Nicu. The schedule for FC7 (or whichever it will be called ;-) ) isn't set yet [1] but we can be pretty certain it will be a spring release. FC6 went out late October - if we add 6 months we get late April. I think we should allow at *least* a month for round 3 (finalizing all the artwork for the various theme pieces). I'm going to set Monday, February 12 as the due date for all theme rendering / artwork improvements for round 2. That give us a little over 2 months, to account for the holidays, to get round 2 done. It also gives us at least 1 month to break the theme out into the various pieces (login, anaconda, grub, etc.) we need and to get it into a test release and gives us some time to apply fixes/modifications before final release. I'll add the due date to the FC 7 Theme page. ~m [1] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Core/Schedule From duffy at redhat.com Fri Dec 8 15:03:04 2006 From: duffy at redhat.com (=?UTF-8?B?TcOhaXLDrW4gRHVmZnk=?=) Date: Fri, 08 Dec 2006 10:03:04 -0500 Subject: FC7 Theme Round 1 is over, let's start round 2! In-Reply-To: <45790E2E.9040403@nicubunu.ro> References: <45743E0D.9090700@redhat.com> <4577C149.7030703@nicubunu.ro> <4578D987.8040907@redhat.com> <4578E6C6.8030708@redhat.com> <45790E2E.9040403@nicubunu.ro> Message-ID: <45797EA8.7030701@redhat.com> Nicu Buculei wrote: > M?ir?n Duffy wrote: >> >> Well, I think there are some working on Echo. I'm not really involved >> in that, though. I think I've mentioned before I like some of Andy >> Fitzsimon's ideas around using Tango as an upstream and applying >> styles to it [1]. > > Sorry for being so blunt: Andy's idea look very cool on paper, but do > you have realistic expectation of it being implemented in due time even > for FC 8? It depends. It would necessitate us getting involved with Tango and treating them as an upstream. What really needs to happen: (1) Small modifications to Inkscape's UI to make it easier to label layers/shapes/outlines with metadata we can use in the Fedora stylesheet. (2) Working with Andy & the Tango folks, coming up with a naming spec for the various icon elements so that we know how to label them and so that new icons creating in Tango will be labeled properly. (3) Development of a stylesheet to apply Fedora-style changes to Tango. (4) (This is the gruntwork/manual labor part that will take a while) - Going through the existing Tango icons and labeling them properly, doing any cleanup work necessary. FC8? Probably not. Maybe FC10? :) But, I think it's a totally worthy effort. It will help bring together FOSS artists - instead of working in our separate distro (or icon theme as it may be) buckets, we can all work together and get things done faster, we can get to know each other and learn from each other (learn from the seasoned pros in Tango for example), it will drive Inkscape's development, and it will pave the way to make it much easier for distros to maintain their own brand while contributing to an upstream project rather than working in their own silos / reinventing the wheel. ~m From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Fri Dec 8 15:14:11 2006 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Fri, 08 Dec 2006 20:44:11 +0530 Subject: FC7 Theme Round 1 is over, let's start round 2! In-Reply-To: <45797EA8.7030701@redhat.com> References: <45743E0D.9090700@redhat.com> <4577C149.7030703@nicubunu.ro> <4578D987.8040907@redhat.com> <4578E6C6.8030708@redhat.com> <45790E2E.9040403@nicubunu.ro> <45797EA8.7030701@redhat.com> Message-ID: <45798143.9070206@fedoraproject.org> M?ir?n Duffy wrote: > Nicu Buculei wrote: >> M?ir?n Duffy wrote: >>> >>> Well, I think there are some working on Echo. I'm not really involved >>> in that, though. I think I've mentioned before I like some of Andy >>> Fitzsimon's ideas around using Tango as an upstream and applying >>> styles to it [1]. >> >> Sorry for being so blunt: Andy's idea look very cool on paper, but do >> you have realistic expectation of it being implemented in due time >> even for FC 8? > > It depends. It would necessitate us getting involved with Tango and > treating them as an upstream. What really needs to happen: > > (1) Small modifications to Inkscape's UI to make it easier to label > layers/shapes/outlines with metadata we can use in the Fedora stylesheet. > > (2) Working with Andy & the Tango folks, coming up with a naming spec > for the various icon elements so that we know how to label them and so > that new icons creating in Tango will be labeled properly. > > (3) Development of a stylesheet to apply Fedora-style changes to Tango. > > (4) (This is the gruntwork/manual labor part that will take a while) - > Going through the existing Tango icons and labeling them properly, doing > any cleanup work necessary. Well, if we are going this route, just replace the prominent dozen icons in Tango themes with a Fedora look and feel and we get something available for release within a week at max. Later do what Andy wants to do. Rahul From mola at c100c.com Sat Dec 9 09:37:56 2006 From: mola at c100c.com (mola pahnadayan) Date: Sat, 09 Dec 2006 13:07:56 +0330 Subject: christmas wallpaper :) Message-ID: <1165657076.16261.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> Hi all ;) http://www.fedoraforum.org/gallery/showimage.php?i=2744 From onuorah_ifeoma at yahoo.com Sat Dec 9 14:55:40 2006 From: onuorah_ifeoma at yahoo.com (Ifeoma Onuorah) Date: Sat, 9 Dec 2006 06:55:40 -0800 (PST) Subject: christmas wallpaper :) In-Reply-To: <1165657076.16261.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <160997.71665.qm@web35707.mail.mud.yahoo.com> OHH wow! That's really awesome! nice way to get into the christmas spirit. --- mola pahnadayan wrote: > Hi all ;) > > http://www.fedoraforum.org/gallery/showimage.php?i=2744 > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From dfong at redhat.com Sat Dec 9 21:18:30 2006 From: dfong at redhat.com (Diana Fong) Date: Sat, 09 Dec 2006 16:18:30 -0500 Subject: Fedora Release Graphics Specs Message-ID: <457B2826.6010501@redhat.com> Greetings... As the creation of graphics for the next Fedora release is being open for design, it will be worthwhile to know what pieces are needed for a complete and useful set. I've constructed a Fedora Release Graphics wiki (http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/ReleaseGraphics) containing a list of components (in general order of appearance), illustrations, and specifications that goes into redesigning a release. Also included are screenshots of Fedora Core 5 and 6 to illustrate the possible changes as well as to show Fedora Core's visual progression. These are the notes and specifications I've accumulated from having completed 4-5 release designs. I realize that some of the info posted might not agree with README.txt but this is what I've found to work upon implementation and I will be updating it as our technology changes. If you find serious discrepancies or have questions, contact me or post to this list. Its content is similar to that of the ThemingOverview page, but I hesitated to overwrite it as it contained brief sections on Metacity and GTK which I chose not to cover. The reasoning being that they do not change per release nor are they really effected by the subject/look chosen for the release (though they could). Thinking ahead, and if there are no objections, I'd like to revamp the ThemingOverview wiki to link to ReleaseGraphics, thus clearing the overlapped information, and further expand the list to include such specs for screensavers and other themable graphics that are not necessarily tied to each release design subject. Diana Fong --- Red Hat Visual Designer | Desktop Group From jjmasek at gmail.com Sun Dec 10 09:45:08 2006 From: jjmasek at gmail.com (Jiri Jakub Masek) Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2006 10:45:08 +0100 Subject: Fedora Release Graphics Specs In-Reply-To: <457B2826.6010501@redhat.com> References: <457B2826.6010501@redhat.com> Message-ID: Good work, Diana, this overview was needed longer time. JJM 2006/12/9, Diana Fong : > > Greetings... > > As the creation of graphics for the next Fedora release is being open > for design, it will be worthwhile to know what pieces are needed for a > complete and useful set. I've constructed a Fedora Release Graphics > wiki (http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/ReleaseGraphics) containing > a list of components (in general order of appearance), illustrations, > and specifications that goes into redesigning a release. Also included > are screenshots of Fedora Core 5 and 6 to illustrate the possible > changes as well as to show Fedora Core's visual progression. > > These are the notes and specifications I've accumulated from having > completed 4-5 release designs. I realize that some of the info posted > might not agree with README.txt but this is what I've found to work upon > implementation and I will be updating it as our technology changes. If > you find serious discrepancies or have questions, contact me or post to > this list. > > Its content is similar to that of the ThemingOverview page, but I > hesitated to overwrite it as it contained brief sections on Metacity and > GTK which I chose not to cover. The reasoning being that they do not > change per release nor are they really effected by the subject/look > chosen for the release (though they could). Thinking ahead, and if > there are no objections, I'd like to revamp the ThemingOverview wiki to > link to ReleaseGraphics, thus clearing the overlapped information, and > further expand the list to include such specs for screensavers and other > themable graphics that are not necessarily tied to each release design > subject. > > Diana Fong > --- > Red Hat > Visual Designer | Desktop Group > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list > -- I'm still learning English... Ji?? Jakub Ma?ek - Mr Jiri Jakub Masek Czech Republic, European Union -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dimitris at glezos.com Sun Dec 10 13:54:48 2006 From: dimitris at glezos.com (Dimitris Glezos) Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2006 13:54:48 +0000 Subject: Fedora Release Graphics Specs In-Reply-To: <457B2826.6010501@redhat.com> References: <457B2826.6010501@redhat.com> Message-ID: <457C11A8.5080900@glezos.com> O/H Diana Fong ??????: > As the creation of graphics for the next Fedora release is being open > for design, it will be worthwhile to know what pieces are needed for a > complete and useful set. I've constructed a Fedora Release Graphics > wiki (http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/ReleaseGraphics) containing > a list of components (in general order of appearance), illustrations, > and specifications that goes into redesigning a release. Also included > are screenshots of Fedora Core 5 and 6 to illustrate the possible > changes as well as to show Fedora Core's visual progression. Diana, bravo! Invaluable reference. -d -- Dimitris Glezos Jabber ID: glezos at jabber.org, GPG: 0xA5A04C3B http://dimitris.glezos.com/ "He who gives up functionality for ease of use loses both and deserves neither." (Anonymous) -- From duffy at redhat.com Sun Dec 10 16:32:00 2006 From: duffy at redhat.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?M=E1ir=EDn_Duffy?=) Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2006 11:32:00 -0500 Subject: Fedora Release Graphics Specs In-Reply-To: <457B2826.6010501@redhat.com> References: <457B2826.6010501@redhat.com> Message-ID: <457C3680.6030501@redhat.com> Hello Diana, Diana Fong wrote: > Its content is similar to that of the ThemingOverview page, but I > hesitated to overwrite it as it contained brief sections on Metacity and > GTK which I chose not to cover. The reasoning being that they do not > change per release nor are they really effected by the subject/look > chosen for the release (though they could). Thinking ahead, and if > there are no objections, I'd like to revamp the ThemingOverview wiki to > link to ReleaseGraphics, thus clearing the overlapped information, and > further expand the list to include such specs for screensavers and other > themable graphics that are not necessarily tied to each release design > subject. Thank you for putting this information together in one place and making it available. It would probably be nice to link to ReleaseGraphics from the front Artwork page - I didn't see it there. Some issues with the information: 1. 'File Name + Extension:' - You should include the full path of the image so people know where to place it when they're testing their images. Just the filename isn't that helpful. 2. We really need information on how to test each graphic. I know how to do a few of these so I'll write them up - maybe it would be better to have a separate page for each type of graphic with an index page linking them and detailed testing information for each. 3. 'File Name + Extension: background.png + gdm' This isn't actually correct. GDM themes are more complicated than this. The theme is actually an XML file in /usr/share/gdm/themes/$THEME_NAME that references images, and the name of the XML file & image names and filepaths can be rather arbitrary. 4. Should probably take out the screensaver lock dialogs information since I don't believe those are open for graphic design anymore. The sprites can certainly be modified though. 5. Since a new page was started from scratch rather than using the old one with all the history info, you might also want to give credit to the folks who wrote the information on ThemingOverview as I see some of it on here (eg. the GDM testing information.) Myself, Andy Shellam, and Rahul all contributed to that page as well. ~m From duffy at redhat.com Sun Dec 10 17:04:11 2006 From: duffy at redhat.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?M=E1ir=EDn_Duffy?=) Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2006 12:04:11 -0500 Subject: Fedora Release Graphics Specs In-Reply-To: <457B2826.6010501@redhat.com> References: <457B2826.6010501@redhat.com> Message-ID: <457C3E0B.10008@redhat.com> Diana Fong wrote: > These are the notes and specifications I've accumulated from having > completed 4-5 release designs. I realize that some of the info posted > might not agree with README.txt but this is what I've found to work upon > implementation and I will be updating it as our technology changes. What README.txt is this btw? ~m From duffy at redhat.com Sun Dec 10 17:27:16 2006 From: duffy at redhat.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?M=E1ir=EDn_Duffy?=) Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2006 12:27:16 -0500 Subject: Fedora Release Graphics Specs In-Reply-To: <457C3680.6030501@redhat.com> References: <457B2826.6010501@redhat.com> <457C3680.6030501@redhat.com> Message-ID: <457C4374.9030305@redhat.com> M?ir?n Duffy wrote: > Some issues with the information: > > 1. 'File Name + Extension:' - You should include the full path of the > image so people know where to place it when they're testing their > images. Just the filename isn't that helpful. > > 2. We really need information on how to test each graphic. I know how to > do a few of these so I'll write them up - maybe it would be better to > have a separate page for each type of graphic with an index page linking > them and detailed testing information for each. I just added testing information for the anaconda splash screen and firstboot as well as the image location info for the anaconda splash and firstboot images. I don't know how to test out the anaconda splash screen, just a little bit on info on how to convert the graphic to the right format, so that information isn't complete yet. ~m From baerjj at gmail.com Sun Dec 10 20:53:20 2006 From: baerjj at gmail.com (John Baer) Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2006 15:53:20 -0500 Subject: [FC7 theme proposal] Flying High with Fedora 7 - Round 2 In-Reply-To: <20061210170005.F0C1873432@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20061210170005.F0C1873432@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1165784000.3692.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> Diana, Wow, great job on the reference. I updated the Flying High Theme wiki(s) to accept submissions for round two. To your list I added optional artwork for a gimp splash, open office splash, and the cd/dvd cover/jewel case. A total 18 images. I guess it's time to get to work! Cheers, John From duffy at redhat.com Sun Dec 10 21:10:12 2006 From: duffy at redhat.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?M=E1ir=EDn_Duffy?=) Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2006 16:10:12 -0500 Subject: [FC7 theme proposal] Flying High with Fedora 7 - Round 2 In-Reply-To: <1165784000.3692.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <20061210170005.F0C1873432@hormel.redhat.com> <1165784000.3692.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <457C77B4.9060807@redhat.com> Hi John, John Baer wrote: > I updated the Flying High Theme wiki(s) > to accept submissions for round two. > > To your list I added optional artwork for a gimp splash, open office > splash, and the cd/dvd cover/jewel case. A total 18 images. I don't really think we should be that specific for round 2. We really need to get the rendering polished before moving on to breaking out the different art formats. ~m From mikechalmers70 at gmail.com Sun Dec 10 22:48:49 2006 From: mikechalmers70 at gmail.com (Mike Chalmers) Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2006 17:48:49 -0500 Subject: more natural colors Message-ID: <148c52290612101448g56c3f3a8tfd9af7aec52b27c2@mail.gmail.com> I was wondering what y'all thought about Fedora using more natural colors on their logos, backgrounds, website, etc.? I would like to see a mixture of different shades of green, blue, yellow, white, etc. instead of red, black, purple. Also I would like Fedora to be more involved with nature, what do y'all think about that? Kind Regards, Mike From gabriel.hurley at gmail.com Sun Dec 10 23:59:34 2006 From: gabriel.hurley at gmail.com (Gabriel Hurley) Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2006 17:59:34 -0600 Subject: [FC7 theme proposal] Flying High with Fedora 7 - Round 2 In-Reply-To: <457C77B4.9060807@redhat.com> References: <20061210170005.F0C1873432@hormel.redhat.com> <1165784000.3692.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> <457C77B4.9060807@redhat.com> Message-ID: <395ebc340612101559t60d3dccfk2f537009ef133240@mail.gmail.com> I hope there is no conflict with the former Corel logo. (see http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/4/4e/Corel_Ballon_Logo.gif) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gabriel.hurley at gmail.com Mon Dec 11 00:12:06 2006 From: gabriel.hurley at gmail.com (Gabriel Hurley) Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2006 18:12:06 -0600 Subject: more natural colors In-Reply-To: <148c52290612101448g56c3f3a8tfd9af7aec52b27c2@mail.gmail.com> References: <148c52290612101448g56c3f3a8tfd9af7aec52b27c2@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <395ebc340612101612i5fbd0c9bke1e9ac85fcb75f39@mail.gmail.com> See http://people.redhat.com/dfong/theme/panels.html On 12/10/06, Mike Chalmers wrote: > > I was wondering what y'all thought about Fedora using more natural > colors on their logos, backgrounds, website, etc.? I would like to see > a mixture of different shades of green, blue, yellow, white, etc. > instead of red, black, purple. > > Also I would like Fedora to be more involved with nature, what do > y'all think about that? > > Kind Regards, > Mike > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From sdl.web at gmail.com Mon Dec 11 00:12:22 2006 From: sdl.web at gmail.com (Leo) Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2006 00:12:22 +0000 Subject: [FC7 theme proposal] Flying High with Fedora 7 - Round 2 References: <20061210170005.F0C1873432@hormel.redhat.com> <1165784000.3692.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> <457C77B4.9060807@redhat.com> <395ebc340612101559t60d3dccfk2f537009ef133240@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: * [2006.12.10 17:59 -0600] Gabriel Hurley wrote: ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > I hope there is no conflict with the former Corel logo. (see http:// > upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/4/4e/Corel_Ballon_Logo.gif) > Good catch :-) Corel was bought by SCO, right? -- Leo From mikechalmers70 at gmail.com Mon Dec 11 00:16:49 2006 From: mikechalmers70 at gmail.com (Mike Chalmers) Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2006 19:16:49 -0500 Subject: more natural colors In-Reply-To: <395ebc340612101612i5fbd0c9bke1e9ac85fcb75f39@mail.gmail.com> References: <148c52290612101448g56c3f3a8tfd9af7aec52b27c2@mail.gmail.com> <395ebc340612101612i5fbd0c9bke1e9ac85fcb75f39@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <148c52290612101616p2dcedcf1ga08ab821bd57a393@mail.gmail.com> On 12/10/06, Gabriel Hurley wrote: > See http://people.redhat.com/dfong/theme/panels.html > > > On 12/10/06, Mike Chalmers < mikechalmers70 at gmail.com> wrote: > > > > I was wondering what y'all thought about Fedora using more natural > > colors on their logos, backgrounds, website, etc.? I would like to see > > a mixture of different shades of green, blue, yellow, white, etc. > > instead of red, black, purple. > > > > Also I would like Fedora to be more involved with nature, what do > > y'all think about that? > > > > Kind Regards, > > Mike > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Fedora-art-list mailing list > > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list > > > That is nice and pleasant, but will Fedora's logos, etc. change to more natural colors. I think it would be great if they got very natural. From gabriel.hurley at gmail.com Mon Dec 11 00:38:12 2006 From: gabriel.hurley at gmail.com (Gabriel Hurley) Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2006 18:38:12 -0600 Subject: more natural colors In-Reply-To: <148c52290612101616p2dcedcf1ga08ab821bd57a393@mail.gmail.com> References: <148c52290612101448g56c3f3a8tfd9af7aec52b27c2@mail.gmail.com> <395ebc340612101612i5fbd0c9bke1e9ac85fcb75f39@mail.gmail.com> <148c52290612101616p2dcedcf1ga08ab821bd57a393@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <395ebc340612101638g67ba710erf27ff2791a074e81@mail.gmail.com> I doubt it. Fedora is a Blue distribution, just as Ubuntu is an Orange/Brown distribution. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From duffy at redhat.com Mon Dec 11 01:10:55 2006 From: duffy at redhat.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?M=E1ir=EDn_Duffy?=) Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2006 20:10:55 -0500 Subject: more natural colors In-Reply-To: <148c52290612101616p2dcedcf1ga08ab821bd57a393@mail.gmail.com> References: <148c52290612101448g56c3f3a8tfd9af7aec52b27c2@mail.gmail.com> <395ebc340612101612i5fbd0c9bke1e9ac85fcb75f39@mail.gmail.com> <148c52290612101616p2dcedcf1ga08ab821bd57a393@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <457CB01F.2030709@redhat.com> Mike Chalmers wrote: > On 12/10/06, Gabriel Hurley wrote: >> See http://people.redhat.com/dfong/theme/panels.html Those mockups were made by 'Gentleman' and posted to gnome-look.org as the 'Gentle Gnome' mockups [1]. The wallpaper in those mockups is made by a very talented artist on Deviant Art who goes by '-kol' [2]. Neither work has a whole lot to do with Fedora, unfortunately. > That is nice and pleasant, but will Fedora's logos, etc. change to > more natural colors. I think it would be great if they got very > natural. Fedora's logo will not change - it has been trademarked and already has brand recognition. We can certainly try for theme artwork with a more 'natural' color palette, though. If you look at some of the mockups for flying high with Fedora you'll see some examples of this, and Fedora Borealis has some potential in that direction as well, the aurora being a natural phenomenon (are you the person who posted a request for more colors in the latest borealis mocks? I tried out the changes you suggested, just haven't posted them yet. :) ) ~m [1] http://www.gnome-look.org/content/show.php?content=31128 [2] http://www.deviantart.com/deviation/24425611/ From duffy at redhat.com Mon Dec 11 01:23:09 2006 From: duffy at redhat.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?M=E1ir=EDn_Duffy?=) Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2006 20:23:09 -0500 Subject: [FC7 theme proposal] Flying High with Fedora 7 - Round 2 In-Reply-To: <395ebc340612101559t60d3dccfk2f537009ef133240@mail.gmail.com> References: <20061210170005.F0C1873432@hormel.redhat.com> <1165784000.3692.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> <457C77B4.9060807@redhat.com> <395ebc340612101559t60d3dccfk2f537009ef133240@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <457CB2FD.4000204@redhat.com> Gabriel Hurley wrote: > I hope there is no conflict with the former Corel logo. (see > http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/4/4e/Corel_Ballon_Logo.gif) IANAL, but I doubt this is an issue. It would be one thing if the artwork for their balloon was ripped off here, or if a derivative work was made using their logo. The simple fact that the artwork includes a hot-air balloon, though, in a theme for a Linux distro is just not enough to indicate IP infringement. Recommended reading: [1] ~m [1] http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/product-description/0226046389/ref=dp_proddesc_0/103-7126390-8336636?ie=UTF8&n=283155&s=books From mikechalmers70 at gmail.com Mon Dec 11 01:43:38 2006 From: mikechalmers70 at gmail.com (Mike Chalmers) Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2006 20:43:38 -0500 Subject: more natural colors In-Reply-To: <457CB01F.2030709@redhat.com> References: <148c52290612101448g56c3f3a8tfd9af7aec52b27c2@mail.gmail.com> <395ebc340612101612i5fbd0c9bke1e9ac85fcb75f39@mail.gmail.com> <148c52290612101616p2dcedcf1ga08ab821bd57a393@mail.gmail.com> <457CB01F.2030709@redhat.com> Message-ID: <148c52290612101743y1a5894b5pa4421cea02ffc3f7@mail.gmail.com> On 12/10/06, M?ir?n Duffy wrote: > Mike Chalmers wrote: > > On 12/10/06, Gabriel Hurley wrote: > >> See http://people.redhat.com/dfong/theme/panels.html > > Those mockups were made by 'Gentleman' and posted to gnome-look.org as > the 'Gentle Gnome' mockups [1]. The wallpaper in those mockups is made > by a very talented artist on Deviant Art who goes by '-kol' [2]. Neither > work has a whole lot to do with Fedora, unfortunately. > > > That is nice and pleasant, but will Fedora's logos, etc. change to > > more natural colors. I think it would be great if they got very > > natural. > > Fedora's logo will not change - it has been trademarked and already has > brand recognition. We can certainly try for theme artwork with a more > 'natural' color palette, though. If you look at some of the mockups for > flying high with Fedora you'll see some examples of this, and Fedora > Borealis has some potential in that direction as well, the aurora being > a natural phenomenon (are you the person who posted a request for more > colors in the latest borealis mocks? I tried out the changes you > suggested, just haven't posted them yet. :) ) > > ~m > > [1] http://www.gnome-look.org/content/show.php?content=31128 > [2] http://www.deviantart.com/deviation/24425611/ > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list > No I am not that person. I just want to say again that, going very natural would be great. There are so many shades of green, yellow, blue, white, etc. that I am sure y'all could find something that is great for Fedora. Also, y'all could be known as the best free distro, and most natrural! Personally, I would change the logo colors but I know y'all are better at art than I. The futuristic technological colors are not that great in my opinion. I think y'all should keep the logo the same, but change the colors of the logo and backgrounds. Have some very natural things, like 3d bark, trees towering thousands of feet with mountains around them, villages built in trees??? (maybe something like that), beautiful colors of grasses (ex. blue mixed with green and yellow), plant life that is pure that is not of this earth, y'all could create plants and trees and name them and stuff, different color skies and sunsets, very defined things in 3d that look very very real and nice, crystal clear lakes that move on your desktop with natural things around them, the list goes on, etc., etc., etc. Use natural creativity. This is just an idea, but I thought it was pretty good. That theme was good. :-) From leifer at gmail.com Mon Dec 11 02:23:35 2006 From: leifer at gmail.com (Leif Gruenwoldt) Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2006 21:23:35 -0500 Subject: more natural colors In-Reply-To: <148c52290612101743y1a5894b5pa4421cea02ffc3f7@mail.gmail.com> References: <148c52290612101448g56c3f3a8tfd9af7aec52b27c2@mail.gmail.com> <395ebc340612101612i5fbd0c9bke1e9ac85fcb75f39@mail.gmail.com> <148c52290612101616p2dcedcf1ga08ab821bd57a393@mail.gmail.com> <457CB01F.2030709@redhat.com> <148c52290612101743y1a5894b5pa4421cea02ffc3f7@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <596b55b40612101823r6b643592p680c06bc2cad4665@mail.gmail.com> Mike, I agree with you that mockup looks nice. By the sounds of it you've got a lot of great ideas and energy for a complete theme. However it's important that fedora "as a brand" not flip flop with it's image. It's fairly safe to say there are at least two things in the art department that are working out really well for fedora: 1) the colour blue 2) the fedora logo Cheers, On 12/10/06, Mike Chalmers wrote: > On 12/10/06, M?ir?n Duffy wrote: > > Mike Chalmers wrote: > > > On 12/10/06, Gabriel Hurley wrote: > > >> See http://people.redhat.com/dfong/theme/panels.html > > > > Those mockups were made by 'Gentleman' and posted to gnome-look.org as > > the 'Gentle Gnome' mockups [1]. The wallpaper in those mockups is made > > by a very talented artist on Deviant Art who goes by '-kol' [2]. Neither > > work has a whole lot to do with Fedora, unfortunately. > > > > > That is nice and pleasant, but will Fedora's logos, etc. change to > > > more natural colors. I think it would be great if they got very > > > natural. > > > > Fedora's logo will not change - it has been trademarked and already has > > brand recognition. We can certainly try for theme artwork with a more > > 'natural' color palette, though. If you look at some of the mockups for > > flying high with Fedora you'll see some examples of this, and Fedora > > Borealis has some potential in that direction as well, the aurora being > > a natural phenomenon (are you the person who posted a request for more > > colors in the latest borealis mocks? I tried out the changes you > > suggested, just haven't posted them yet. :) ) > > > > ~m > > > > [1] http://www.gnome-look.org/content/show.php?content=31128 > > [2] http://www.deviantart.com/deviation/24425611/ > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Fedora-art-list mailing list > > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list > > > No I am not that person. I just want to say again that, going very > natural would be great. There are so many shades of green, yellow, > blue, white, etc. that I am sure y'all could find something that is > great for Fedora. Also, y'all could be known as the best free distro, > and most natrural! Personally, I would change the logo colors but I > know y'all are better at art than I. > > The futuristic technological colors are not that great in my opinion. > I think y'all should keep the logo the same, but change the colors of > the logo and backgrounds. Have some very natural things, like 3d bark, > trees towering thousands of feet with mountains around them, villages > built in trees??? (maybe something like that), beautiful colors of > grasses (ex. blue mixed with green and yellow), plant life that is > pure that is not of this earth, y'all could create plants and trees > and name them and stuff, different color skies and sunsets, very > defined things in 3d that look very very real and nice, crystal clear > lakes that move on your desktop with natural things around them, the > list goes on, etc., etc., etc. Use natural creativity. > > This is just an idea, but I thought it was pretty good. That theme was good. :-) > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list > -- Leif Gruenwoldt Simulation Software Developer DLCSPM 4-4-3 (c) Building A31 CFB Kingston From gabriel.hurley at gmail.com Mon Dec 11 02:31:01 2006 From: gabriel.hurley at gmail.com (Gabriel Hurley) Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2006 20:31:01 -0600 Subject: [FC7 theme proposal] Flying High with Fedora 7 - Round 2 In-Reply-To: <457CB2FD.4000204@redhat.com> References: <20061210170005.F0C1873432@hormel.redhat.com> <1165784000.3692.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> <457C77B4.9060807@redhat.com> <395ebc340612101559t60d3dccfk2f537009ef133240@mail.gmail.com> <457CB2FD.4000204@redhat.com> Message-ID: <395ebc340612101831j6d29e4c6ifa57679c523041f0@mail.gmail.com> Okay. On 12/10/06, M?ir?n Duffy wrote: > > IANAL, but I doubt this is an issue. > > It would be one thing if the artwork for their balloon was ripped off > here, or if a derivative work was made using their logo. The simple fact > that the artwork includes a hot-air balloon, though, in a theme for a > Linux distro is just not enough to indicate IP infringement. > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Ask anyone, your mom, sister, dog whoever.. what are the first things they think of about hot air balloons. - exciting - thrilling - beautiful - graceful - romantic - opportunity of a lifetime - story to tell friends I think those are all great connotations that fedora would be proud of to be affiliated with. P.S. I've never flown in a hot air balloon but these are still some things that come to my mind! Leif. On 12/10/06, Gabriel Hurley wrote: > Okay. > > > On 12/10/06, M?ir?n Duffy wrote: > > IANAL, but I doubt this is an issue. > > > > It would be one thing if the artwork for their balloon was ripped off > > here, or if a derivative work was made using their logo. The simple fact > > that the artwork includes a hot-air balloon, though, in a theme for a > > Linux distro is just not enough to indicate IP infringement. > > > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list > > > From sdl.web at gmail.com Mon Dec 11 03:36:25 2006 From: sdl.web at gmail.com (Leo) Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2006 03:36:25 +0000 Subject: No top posting (was: [FC7 theme proposal] Flying High with Fedora 7 - Round 2) References: <20061210170005.F0C1873432@hormel.redhat.com> <1165784000.3692.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> <457C77B4.9060807@redhat.com> <395ebc340612101559t60d3dccfk2f537009ef133240@mail.gmail.com> <457CB2FD.4000204@redhat.com> <395ebc340612101831j6d29e4c6ifa57679c523041f0@mail.gmail.com> <596b55b40612101854n466fe703jda552a43f5eaac3@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: There are huge threads of discussing about top posting in Fedora community: http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.linux.redhat.fedora.general/200832/focus=201098 http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.linux.redhat.fedora.general/210209/focus=210255 We have come to the agreement on no top posting. I'd encourage people follow these guidelines, particularly: Quote from the MailingListGuidelines?: "Make sure we can tell what you are replying to. Place each part of your reply after the text it addresses (i.e., NO Top-Posting, please - see the [WikiPedia]Top posting wiki and links therein for more on this). Most mail readers automatically put a '>' character in front of each replied-to line. It gives a conversational flow to the text, and people know what you're replying to. Trim irrelevant material. It makes it easier to read your reply and helps the reader to stay on subject." Footnotes: ? http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines -- Leo From luya_tfz at thefinalzone.com Mon Dec 11 06:21:03 2006 From: luya_tfz at thefinalzone.com (Luya Tshimbalanga) Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2006 22:21:03 -0800 Subject: more natural colors In-Reply-To: <148c52290612101448g56c3f3a8tfd9af7aec52b27c2@mail.gmail.com> References: <148c52290612101448g56c3f3a8tfd9af7aec52b27c2@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <457CF8CF.6040804@thefinalzone.com> Mike Chalmers wrote: > Also I would like Fedora to be more involved with nature, what do > y'all think about that? > Blue is a natural color from water to sky. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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It is like blue metallic water or something. Kind Regards, Mike From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Mon Dec 11 09:01:56 2006 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2006 14:31:56 +0530 Subject: Fedora Release Graphics Specs In-Reply-To: <457B2826.6010501@redhat.com> References: <457B2826.6010501@redhat.com> Message-ID: <457D1E84.6080204@fedoraproject.org> Diana Fong wrote: > Greetings... > > As the creation of graphics for the next Fedora release is being open > for design, it will be worthwhile to know what pieces are needed for a > complete and useful set. I've constructed a Fedora Release Graphics > wiki (http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/ReleaseGraphics) containing > a list of components (in general order of appearance), illustrations, > and specifications that goes into redesigning a release. Also included > are screenshots of Fedora Core 5 and 6 to illustrate the possible > changes as well as to show Fedora Core's visual progression. Excellent work. > > These are the notes and specifications I've accumulated from having > completed 4-5 release designs. I realize that some of the info posted > might not agree with README.txt but this is what I've found to work upon > implementation and I will be updating it as our technology changes. If > you find serious discrepancies or have questions, contact me or post to > this list. Couldn't find any README.txt file here. > > Its content is similar to that of the ThemingOverview page, but I > hesitated to overwrite it as it contained brief sections on Metacity and > GTK which I chose not to cover. The reasoning being that they do not > change per release nor are they really effected by the subject/look > chosen for the release (though they could). Thinking ahead, and if > there are no objections, I'd like to revamp the ThemingOverview wiki to > link to ReleaseGraphics, thus clearing the overlapped information, and > further expand the list to include such specs for screensavers and other > themable graphics that are not necessarily tied to each release design > subject. Yes, That makes sense. Rahul From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Mon Dec 11 09:46:47 2006 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2006 11:46:47 +0200 Subject: christmas wallpaper :) In-Reply-To: <1165657076.16261.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1165657076.16261.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <457D2907.7050100@nicubunu.ro> mola pahnadayan wrote: > Hi all ;) > > http://www.fedoraforum.org/gallery/showimage.php?i=2744 I think it may be a fun thing to do a informal competition (without any prize) with holidays themed Fedora wallpapers. Do such images, post them on your blogs, on fedoraforum.org, deviantArt, flickr, here, everywhere. Show to the world you are proud to use Fedora and are happy (that is, if you are happy). -- nicu Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From baerjj at gmail.com Mon Dec 11 13:59:36 2006 From: baerjj at gmail.com (John Baer) Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2006 08:59:36 -0500 Subject: [FC7 theme proposal] Flying High with Fedora 7 - Round 2 Message-ID: <484ace5d0612110559k7a3de1b1m4509a085dc78fda6@mail.gmail.com> > > Gabriel Hurley wrote: > > I hope there is no conflict with the former Corel logo. (see > > http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/4/4e/Corel_Ballon_Logo.gif) > > IANAL, but I doubt this is an issue. > > It would be one thing if the artwork for their balloon was ripped off > here, or if a derivative work was made using their logo. The simple fact > that the artwork includes a hot-air balloon, though, in a theme for a > Linux distro is just not enough to indicate IP infringement. > Wow, I totally forgot about Corel and I can assure everyone Corel did not enter my mind when I was brain storming ideas for fc7. I would refer all those interested in the concept to the theme's home wiki. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fc7ThemeProposalFlyingHigh >From that page I believe you will see it is an adaption of the fedora logo. :) Cheers, John -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Mon Dec 11 14:06:02 2006 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2006 16:06:02 +0200 Subject: [FC7 theme proposal] Flying High with Fedora 7 - Round 2 In-Reply-To: <484ace5d0612110559k7a3de1b1m4509a085dc78fda6@mail.gmail.com> References: <484ace5d0612110559k7a3de1b1m4509a085dc78fda6@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <457D65CA.807@nicubunu.ro> John Baer wrote: > > I totally forgot about Corel and I can assure everyone Corel did not > enter my mind when I was brain storming ideas for fc7. I would refer all > those interested in the concept to the theme's home wiki. Indeed, there are ways, a lot of ways, that *if* in the end we will use a balloon, it will not resemble the Corel one. A good approach is http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fc7ThemeProposalFlyingHighPOC?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=flyinghigh-moonlight.png And even in this http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fc7ThemeProposalFlyingHighPOC?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=fc7-poc01.png we can remake the image (Inkscape, Blender, whatever) and recreate it using Fedora colours, not the original ones reminding of Corel. -- nicu Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From dfong at redhat.com Mon Dec 11 15:48:28 2006 From: dfong at redhat.com (Diana Fong) Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2006 10:48:28 -0500 Subject: Fedora Release Graphics Specs In-Reply-To: <457D1E84.6080204@fedoraproject.org> References: <457B2826.6010501@redhat.com> <457D1E84.6080204@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <457D7DCC.5090802@redhat.com> Rahul Sundaram wrote: > Diana Fong wrote: >> >> These are the notes and specifications I've accumulated from having >> completed 4-5 release designs. I realize that some of the info posted >> might not agree with README.txt but this is what I've found to work >> upon implementation and I will be updating it as our technology >> changes. If you find serious discrepancies or have questions, contact >> me or post to this list. > > Couldn't find any README.txt file here. The section I had in mind while making that comment was the Syslinux-splash.png (Anaconda Prompt Screen). There's currently some confusion in the splashtolss.sh and some online documentation about the necessary colors that must be present and so for the time being, please include all 5 designated colors. I will be updating the information once more accurate information is available. s/README.txt/some specs Thanks, Diana --- Red Hat Visual Designer | Desktop Group From mikechalmers70 at gmail.com Mon Dec 11 17:48:22 2006 From: mikechalmers70 at gmail.com (Mike Chalmers) Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2006 12:48:22 -0500 Subject: more natural colors In-Reply-To: <148c52290612102235x6eabc9acu336459b511edf3d8@mail.gmail.com> References: <148c52290612101448g56c3f3a8tfd9af7aec52b27c2@mail.gmail.com> <457CF8CF.6040804@thefinalzone.com> <148c52290612102235x6eabc9acu336459b511edf3d8@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <148c52290612110948o36cfaeb4w510aca450ad25d08@mail.gmail.com> On 12/11/06, Mike Chalmers wrote: > On 12/11/06, Luya Tshimbalanga wrote: > > Mike Chalmers wrote: > > > Also I would like Fedora to be more involved with nature, what do > > > y'all think about that? > > > > > Blue is a natural color from water to sky. > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Fedora-art-list mailing list > > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list > > > > > > > > > Blue is a natural color, but the shade that is used for Fedora looks > very unnatural. It is like blue metallic water or something. > > Kind Regards, > Mike > By the way, Red Hat has always taken the unnatural path. With colors like silver, red, and black. What is the deal? Kind Regards, Mike From dfong at redhat.com Mon Dec 11 20:07:34 2006 From: dfong at redhat.com (Diana Fong) Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2006 15:07:34 -0500 Subject: Fedora Release Graphics Specs In-Reply-To: <457C3680.6030501@redhat.com> References: <457B2826.6010501@redhat.com> <457C3680.6030501@redhat.com> Message-ID: <457DBA86.5080603@redhat.com> M?ir?n Duffy wrote: > Thank you for putting this information together in one place and > making it available. It would probably be nice to link to > ReleaseGraphics from the front Artwork page - I didn't see it there. Not sure whether to replace the ThemingOverview content, I had wanted to get some feedback first before linking. Done. > 1. 'File Name + Extension:' - You should include the full path of the > image so people know where to place it when they're testing their > images. Just the filename isn't that helpful. Updated...filled in as many as I could. > 2. We really need information on how to test each graphic. I know how > to do a few of these so I'll write them up - maybe it would be better > to have a separate page for each type of graphic with an index page > linking them and detailed testing information for each. Any help would be greatly appreciated. However, please let me know prior to posting it on the wiki so I can double check the information with our engineers here. Thanks. > 3. 'File Name + Extension: background.png + gdm' This isn't actually > correct. GDM themes are more complicated than this. The theme is > actually an XML file in /usr/share/gdm/themes/$THEME_NAME that > references images, and the name of the XML file & image names and > filepaths can be rather arbitrary. To help expand upon this section, I've included a link to http://www.jirka.org/gdm-documentation/x1454.html for more information. A cursory glance at the page indicates it to be informative...however, if you find a more recent/better page, please let me know. > 4. Should probably take out the screensaver lock dialogs information > since I don't believe those are open for graphic design anymore. The > sprites can certainly be modified though. I would like to keep the information available as the option to theme the lock dialog image is still there and request for its consideration was brought up during FC6. However, as mentioned before, the Lock dialog as well as the GNOME splash screen are turned off by default (fwiw). Diana Fong --- Red Hat Visual Designer | Desktop Group From duffy at redhat.com Mon Dec 11 20:17:13 2006 From: duffy at redhat.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?M=E1ir=EDn_Duffy?=) Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2006 15:17:13 -0500 Subject: Fedora Release Graphics Specs In-Reply-To: <457DBA86.5080603@redhat.com> References: <457B2826.6010501@redhat.com> <457C3680.6030501@redhat.com> <457DBA86.5080603@redhat.com> Message-ID: <457DBCC9.9080707@redhat.com> Diana Fong wrote: > Any help would be greatly appreciated. However, please let me know > prior to posting it on the wiki so I can double check the information > with our engineers here. Thanks. The information I posted there comes directly from the GDM and firstboot maintainers from when I wrote the FC5 GDM theme and when I was involved in the QA effort testing RHEL 5 Beta. I work directly with these engineers on a regular basis. Thanks for the offer, though. It is not needed, however. :) >> 3. 'File Name + Extension: background.png + gdm' This isn't actually >> correct. GDM themes are more complicated than this. The theme is >> actually an XML file in /usr/share/gdm/themes/$THEME_NAME that >> references images, and the name of the XML file & image names and >> filepaths can be rather arbitrary. > > To help expand upon this section, I've included a link to > http://www.jirka.org/gdm-documentation/x1454.html for more information. > A cursory glance at the page indicates it to be informative...however, > if you find a more recent/better page, please let me know. The official GDM documentation is a better resource and I can add that link. >> 4. Should probably take out the screensaver lock dialogs information >> since I don't believe those are open for graphic design anymore. The >> sprites can certainly be modified though. > > I would like to keep the information available as the option to theme > the lock dialog image is still there and request for its consideration > was brought up during FC6. And turned down. There are a number of usability issues that theming the lock dialog bring about. We want a usable desktop first, then a 'pretty' one. > However, as mentioned before, the Lock > dialog as well as the GNOME splash screen are turned off by default (fwiw). Because of the usability issues. ~m From baerjj at gmail.com Mon Dec 11 23:04:48 2006 From: baerjj at gmail.com (John Baer) Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2006 18:04:48 -0500 Subject: No top posting (was: [FC7 theme proposal] Flying High with Fedora 7 - Round 2) In-Reply-To: <20061211170004.349A1734F8@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20061211170004.349A1734F8@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1165878288.3792.17.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Mon, 2006-12-11 at 12:00 -0500, fedora-art-list-request at redhat.com wrote: > There are huge threads of discussing about top posting in Fedora > community: > > http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.linux.redhat.fedora.general/200832/focus=201098 > http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.linux.redhat.fedora.general/210209/focus=210255 > > We have come to the agreement on no top posting. I'd encourage people > follow these guidelines, particularly: > > Quote from the MailingListGuidelines: > > "Make sure we can tell what you are replying to. Place each part of > your reply after the text it addresses (i.e., NO Top-Posting, please - > see the [WikiPedia]Top posting wiki and links therein for more on > this). Most mail readers automatically put a '>' character in front of > each replied-to line. It gives a conversational flow to the text, and > people know what you're replying to. Trim irrelevant material. It > makes it easier to read your reply and helps the reader to stay on > subject." Leo, I must admit I am "List Server" challenged and whenever I make a post using the Gmail web interface I almost always get it wrong. Until I saw this post I had never heard of a top post and I am still not sure if I understand all of what it is about. As suggested I read the "Communicate/MailingListGuidelines" and I must confess I did not see any mention of "top" posting. However, Google found this link. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Top-posting#Top-posting I apologize for the error and thank you for the opportunity to learn something new. Cheers, John From sdl.web at gmail.com Mon Dec 11 23:32:51 2006 From: sdl.web at gmail.com (Leo) Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2006 23:32:51 +0000 Subject: No top posting (was: [FC7 theme proposal] Flying High with Fedora 7 - Round 2) References: <20061211170004.349A1734F8@hormel.redhat.com> <1165878288.3792.17.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: Hi John, * [2006.12.11 18:04 -0500] John Baer wrote: ^^^^^^^^^ > As suggested I read the "Communicate/MailingListGuidelines" and I must > confess I did not see any mention of "top" posting. > > However, Google found this link. > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Top-posting#Top-posting > > I apologize for the error and thank you for the opportunity to learn > something new. You are welcome. As you can see from wikipedia there are programs encouraging top posting: outlook and gmail. Top posting is fine when only a few people are involved like in private emails, but is usually adopted in public mailing lists. You will see its importance when you read archived emails :) -- Leo (GPG Key: 9283AA3F) From stickster at gmail.com Tue Dec 12 00:39:34 2006 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2006 19:39:34 -0500 Subject: Fedora Release Graphics Specs In-Reply-To: <457DBA86.5080603@redhat.com> References: <457B2826.6010501@redhat.com> <457C3680.6030501@redhat.com> <457DBA86.5080603@redhat.com> Message-ID: <1165883974.9939.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Mon, 2006-12-11 at 15:07 -0500, Diana Fong wrote: > M?ir?n Duffy wrote: > > 4. Should probably take out the screensaver lock dialogs information > > since I don't believe those are open for graphic design anymore. The > > sprites can certainly be modified though. > > I would like to keep the information available as the option to theme > the lock dialog image is still there and request for its consideration > was brought up during FC6. However, as mentioned before, the Lock > dialog as well as the GNOME splash screen are turned off by default (fwiw). I'd really miss this if it were gone, but hey, I'm just one guy. I turn mine back on with the gconf key to see the DNA goodness. :-) -- Paul W. Frields, RHCE http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 Fedora Project Board: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Board Fedora Docs Project: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From duffy at redhat.com Tue Dec 12 01:42:18 2006 From: duffy at redhat.com (=?UTF-8?B?TcOhaXLDrW4gRHVmZnk=?=) Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2006 20:42:18 -0500 Subject: [FC7 theme proposal] Flying High with Fedora 7 - Round 2 In-Reply-To: <457D65CA.807@nicubunu.ro> References: <484ace5d0612110559k7a3de1b1m4509a085dc78fda6@mail.gmail.com> <457D65CA.807@nicubunu.ro> Message-ID: <457E08FA.3020602@redhat.com> Nicu Buculei wrote: >> I totally forgot about Corel and I can assure everyone Corel did not >> enter my mind when I was brain storming ideas for fc7. I would refer >> all those interested in the concept to the theme's home wiki. > > Indeed, there are ways, a lot of ways, that *if* in the end we will use > a balloon, it will not resemble the Corel one. > A good approach is > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fc7ThemeProposalFlyingHighPOC?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=flyinghigh-moonlight.png > > And even in this > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fc7ThemeProposalFlyingHighPOC?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=fc7-poc01.png > we can remake the image (Inkscape, Blender, whatever) and recreate it > using Fedora colours, not the original ones reminding of Corel. I *really* like Ji??'s balloon design [1] - it mimics the Fedora logo without really being overtly *the* logo (that's why I didn't put them in my little Flying High mock, Ify - they look kind of weird tilted but they just don't fit if I spin it right-side up either. And it looks *too* Fedora for every balloon to have the logo). The balloons also don't look overtly plain then. Ji??, can you make the source artwork (SVG?) available for [1]? I want to play around with your balloon design and try to make a new mockup for Flying High! ~m [1] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fc7ThemeProposalFlyingHighPOC?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=jjm-flying-high01.png From duffy at redhat.com Tue Dec 12 01:51:10 2006 From: duffy at redhat.com (=?UTF-8?B?TcOhaXLDrW4gRHVmZnk=?=) Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2006 20:51:10 -0500 Subject: Fedora Release Graphics Specs In-Reply-To: <1165883974.9939.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <457B2826.6010501@redhat.com> <457C3680.6030501@redhat.com> <457DBA86.5080603@redhat.com> <1165883974.9939.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <457E0B0E.4070302@redhat.com> Paul W. Frields wrote: > On Mon, 2006-12-11 at 15:07 -0500, Diana Fong wrote: >> M?ir?n Duffy wrote: >>> 4. Should probably take out the screensaver lock dialogs information >>> since I don't believe those are open for graphic design anymore. The >>> sprites can certainly be modified though. >> I would like to keep the information available as the option to theme >> the lock dialog image is still there and request for its consideration >> was brought up during FC6. However, as mentioned before, the Lock >> dialog as well as the GNOME splash screen are turned off by default (fwiw). > > I'd really miss this if it were gone, but hey, I'm just one guy. I turn > mine back on with the gconf key to see the DNA goodness. :-) Well, besides the obvious usability issues, the fact is that screensaver lock dialogs are actually something that folks keen to security issues kind of worry about. If a screensaver lock dialog isn't the standard design of the rest of the gui, it kind of sends off signals that maybe it's a phishing scam or some kind of program set up to snag your password. Having one standard, usable, *accessible* dialog that expands properly to fit long usernames (firstname.lastname is a common username scheme and did not fit in the fc5 lock dialog at least) is really what people expect to see, won't freak anybody out, may be less spoofable, and is less likely to cause usability or accessibility issues since it's using the standard widgets and the buttons/widgets are the standard ones that people recognize and have learned to interact with. One thing I think might be cool to expand on though, that's in a similar vein but maybe doesn't have quite the risk is the GNOME 'About Me' dialog - if we had a set of Fedora-themed avatars and maybe came up with a face-browser GDM theme along with the standard one for FC7. We have enough time to plan that out. ~m From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Tue Dec 12 04:02:10 2006 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2006 09:32:10 +0530 Subject: No top posting In-Reply-To: <1165878288.3792.17.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <20061211170004.349A1734F8@hormel.redhat.com> <1165878288.3792.17.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <457E29C2.9050002@fedoraproject.org> John Baer wrote: > > I must admit I am "List Server" challenged and whenever I make a post > using the Gmail web interface I almost always get it wrong. > > Until I saw this post I had never heard of a top post and I am still not > sure if I understand all of what it is about. > > As suggested I read the "Communicate/MailingListGuidelines" and I must > confess I did not see any mention of "top" posting. > > However, Google found this link. > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Top-posting#Top-posting > > I apologize for the error and thank you for the opportunity to learn > something new. > That link is already referred to in the the list guidelines. Rahul From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Tue Dec 12 11:03:00 2006 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2006 13:03:00 +0200 Subject: [FC7 theme proposal] Flying High with Fedora 7 - Round 2 In-Reply-To: <457E08FA.3020602@redhat.com> References: <484ace5d0612110559k7a3de1b1m4509a085dc78fda6@mail.gmail.com> <457D65CA.807@nicubunu.ro> <457E08FA.3020602@redhat.com> Message-ID: <457E8C64.1090605@nicubunu.ro> M?ir?n Duffy wrote: > > Ji??, can you make the source artwork (SVG?) available for [1]? I want > to play around with your balloon design and try to make a new mockup for > Flying High! http://jjm.xf.cz/ and http://jjm.xf.cz/jjm-flying-high01.svg -- nicu Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From iamseawolf at gmail.com Tue Dec 12 16:41:10 2006 From: iamseawolf at gmail.com (seawolf) Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2006 16:41:10 +0000 Subject: more natural colors In-Reply-To: <148c52290612110948o36cfaeb4w510aca450ad25d08@mail.gmail.com> References: <148c52290612101448g56c3f3a8tfd9af7aec52b27c2@mail.gmail.com> <457CF8CF.6040804@thefinalzone.com> <148c52290612102235x6eabc9acu336459b511edf3d8@mail.gmail.com> <148c52290612110948o36cfaeb4w510aca450ad25d08@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <9c3bfa1d0612120841p67979970h3ceed3ec7df242a@mail.gmail.com> I think that's a more business-like approach, silver and black suit that very well and that particular tone of red is the vibrancy which a cutting-edge/buzzword company needs for it's image. That's my two pence, anyway. On 11/12/06, Mike Chalmers wrote: > By the way, Red Hat has always taken the unnatural path. With colors > like silver, red, and black. What is the deal? > > Kind Regards, > Mike > -- ..// seawolf //.. Ben Arnold e-mail / msn / icq / yahoo iamseawolf (at) gmail (dot) com http://clik.to/seawolfsanctuary fedora core : artwork GnuPG Available - ask me! From duffy at redhat.com Tue Dec 12 16:48:57 2006 From: duffy at redhat.com (=?UTF-8?B?TcOhaXLDrW4gRHVmZnk=?=) Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2006 11:48:57 -0500 Subject: more natural colors In-Reply-To: <9c3bfa1d0612120841p67979970h3ceed3ec7df242a@mail.gmail.com> References: <148c52290612101448g56c3f3a8tfd9af7aec52b27c2@mail.gmail.com> <457CF8CF.6040804@thefinalzone.com> <148c52290612102235x6eabc9acu336459b511edf3d8@mail.gmail.com> <148c52290612110948o36cfaeb4w510aca450ad25d08@mail.gmail.com> <9c3bfa1d0612120841p67979970h3ceed3ec7df242a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <457EDD79.7000203@redhat.com> > On 11/12/06, Mike Chalmers wrote: >> By the way, Red Hat has always taken the unnatural path. With colors >> like silver, red, and black. What is the deal? seawolf wrote: > I think that's a more business-like approach, silver and black suit > that very well and that particular tone of red is the vibrancy which a > cutting-edge/buzzword company needs for it's image. > > That's my two pence, anyway. Red Hat certainly uses red and black in its logo and web design but I'm not sure what in particular you're referencing with silver. I don't think the colors themselves are natural or unnatural (don't even get me started on deconstructing the term 'natural' lol) - I think it's more the entire palette of colors together that give the overall feeling of being of nature or not. For any color you could list I'm sure something close to it occurs in nature (whether or not the color's connotation is one of 'nature'): red is the color of many fruit - apples, strawberries, cherries, raspberries; black is the color of the sky on a very dark night, charcoal, and the color many trees appear in the winter against a bright white sky; and silver is the color that predominates spider webs. I think a lot of the themes we've got proposed have natural-looking palettes - a lot are focused on the night sky, with various shades of light and deep blue. ~m From jjmasek at gmail.com Tue Dec 12 20:05:36 2006 From: jjmasek at gmail.com (Jiri Jakub Masek) Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2006 21:05:36 +0100 Subject: christmas wallpaper :) In-Reply-To: <457D2907.7050100@nicubunu.ro> References: <1165657076.16261.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> <457D2907.7050100@nicubunu.ro> Message-ID: Hi, good idea Nicu, so, people, look at this one http://kresby.grafika.cz/details.php?image_id=6174 there is only a preview because the real size of that image is 1600x1200pix and 2.5MB, so can not be published everywhere... JJM 2006/12/11, Nicu Buculei : > > mola pahnadayan wrote: > > Hi all ;) > > > > http://www.fedoraforum.org/gallery/showimage.php?i=2744 > > I think it may be a fun thing to do a informal competition (without any > prize) with holidays themed Fedora wallpapers. Do such images, post them > on your blogs, on fedoraforum.org, deviantArt, flickr, here, everywhere. > Show to the world you are proud to use Fedora and are happy (that is, if > you are happy). > > -- > nicu > Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ > Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org > my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list > -- I'm still learning English... Ji?? Jakub Ma?ek - Mr Jiri Jakub Masek Czech Republic, European Union -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Here is where you sign up for each (they are free): http://www.deviantart.com/join/ http://photobucket.com/register.php?link=register_now ~m From jjmasek at gmail.com Tue Dec 12 20:22:25 2006 From: jjmasek at gmail.com (Jiri Jakub Masek) Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2006 21:22:25 +0100 Subject: christmas wallpaper :) In-Reply-To: <457F0D19.7000005@redhat.com> References: <1165657076.16261.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> <457D2907.7050100@nicubunu.ro> <457F0D19.7000005@redhat.com> Message-ID: Thanks, M?ir?n, the problem is that I have temporary no access to my website due to technical reasons, sorry. It should be better about few days. JJM 2006/12/12, M?ir?n Duffy : > > Hi Ji??, > > Jiri Jakub Masek wrote: > > Hi, good idea Nicu, so, people, look at this one > > > > http://kresby.grafika.cz/details.php?image_id=6174 > > > > there is only a preview because the real size of that image is > > 1600x1200pix and 2.5MB, so can not be published everywhere... > > > > Very cool! Have you considered signing up for a deviant art account? You > get a lot of space on there. Photobucket is another option. Deviant Art > has a really nice community around it; photobucket doesn't really have > any community aspects but it's a good quick place to host images. > > Here is where you sign up for each (they are free): > > http://www.deviantart.com/join/ > > http://photobucket.com/register.php?link=register_now > > ~m > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list > -- I'm still learning English... Ji?? Jakub Ma?ek - Mr Jiri Jakub Masek Czech Republic, European Union -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mikechalmers70 at gmail.com Tue Dec 12 21:01:22 2006 From: mikechalmers70 at gmail.com (Mike Chalmers) Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2006 16:01:22 -0500 Subject: more natural colors In-Reply-To: <457EDD79.7000203@redhat.com> References: <148c52290612101448g56c3f3a8tfd9af7aec52b27c2@mail.gmail.com> <457CF8CF.6040804@thefinalzone.com> <148c52290612102235x6eabc9acu336459b511edf3d8@mail.gmail.com> <148c52290612110948o36cfaeb4w510aca450ad25d08@mail.gmail.com> <9c3bfa1d0612120841p67979970h3ceed3ec7df242a@mail.gmail.com> <457EDD79.7000203@redhat.com> Message-ID: <148c52290612121301h47431aacs1afa1ff3f69bb9a9@mail.gmail.com> On 12/12/06, M?ir?n Duffy wrote: > > On 11/12/06, Mike Chalmers wrote: > >> By the way, Red Hat has always taken the unnatural path. With colors > >> like silver, red, and black. What is the deal? > > seawolf wrote: > > I think that's a more business-like approach, silver and black suit > > that very well and that particular tone of red is the vibrancy which a > > cutting-edge/buzzword company needs for it's image. > > > > That's my two pence, anyway. > > Red Hat certainly uses red and black in its logo and web design but I'm > not sure what in particular you're referencing with silver. > > I don't think the colors themselves are natural or unnatural (don't even > get me started on deconstructing the term 'natural' lol) - I think it's > more the entire palette of colors together that give the overall feeling > of being of nature or not. For any color you could list I'm sure > something close to it occurs in nature (whether or not the color's > connotation is one of 'nature'): red is the color of many fruit - > apples, strawberries, cherries, raspberries; black is the color of the > sky on a very dark night, charcoal, and the color many trees appear in > the winter against a bright white sky; and silver is the color that > predominates spider webs. > > I think a lot of the themes we've got proposed have natural-looking > palettes - a lot are focused on the night sky, with various shades of > light and deep blue. > > ~m > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list > The colors I speak of, are natural colors of pure life, trees and grass and earth. Not fire, metallic water, futuristic technological designs, lustful colors, metallic trees, stuff like that. Red Hat is definitely unnatural colors as is Fedora. I think if we think about it we can realize that, especially as artist. Things like blue metallic water, for example, compared to regular blue water is incomparable. Or metallic silver trees compared to green leaf trees or leaves in the fall. There is no way you can say the Red Hat's colors are natural if you think about it. You can't just name any color and say it is natural because it looks like red on trees. There is a big difference. Fedora's colors remind me of the movies The Matrix. I am not knocking Fedora, I love it. It just hurts me that the colors aren't used to a more natural earthy approach. Kind Regards, Mike From duffy at redhat.com Tue Dec 12 21:28:48 2006 From: duffy at redhat.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?M=E1ir=EDn_Duffy?=) Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2006 16:28:48 -0500 Subject: more natural colors In-Reply-To: <148c52290612121301h47431aacs1afa1ff3f69bb9a9@mail.gmail.com> References: <148c52290612101448g56c3f3a8tfd9af7aec52b27c2@mail.gmail.com> <457CF8CF.6040804@thefinalzone.com> <148c52290612102235x6eabc9acu336459b511edf3d8@mail.gmail.com> <148c52290612110948o36cfaeb4w510aca450ad25d08@mail.gmail.com> <9c3bfa1d0612120841p67979970h3ceed3ec7df242a@mail.gmail.com> <457EDD79.7000203@redhat.com> <148c52290612121301h47431aacs1afa1ff3f69bb9a9@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <457F1F10.3090604@redhat.com> Hi Mike, > On 12/12/06, M?ir?n Duffy wrote: >> I think a lot of the themes we've got proposed have natural-looking >> palettes - a lot are focused on the night sky, with various shades of >> light and deep blue. Mike Chalmers wrote: > The colors I speak of, are natural colors of pure life, trees and > grass and earth. Not fire, metallic water, futuristic technological > designs, lustful colors, metallic trees, stuff like that. Red Hat is > definitely unnatural colors as is Fedora. I think if we think about it > we can realize that, especially as artist. > > Things like blue metallic water, for example, compared to regular blue > water is incomparable. Or metallic silver trees compared to green leaf > trees or leaves in the fall. How about the blue night skies in some of our FC7 mockups? > There is no way you can say the Red Hat's colors are natural if you > think about it. You can't just name any color and say it is natural > because it looks like red on trees. There is a big difference. I'm not really following. I don't think it's fair to say the color red is unnatural in all cases so hopefully I am misunderstanding you there? Certainly you can talk about a color's treatment in the context of a color palette or its usage in a piece of artwork as being unnatural or not. Even if you restate it in that way, however, I would still argue Red Hat's treatment of the color red is certainly not predominantly 'unnatural'. Other words come to mind ('bold' since it's bright and attention-grabbing, 'different' as most tech companies go silver or blue) but I really can't say 'unnatural' comes to mind. Not that RH's graphic design is something we really have any say over in the Fedora art team :) I think you may be on to some helpful critique here that we could apply to our FC7 artwork. To make an effective case here, however, and provide us with more useful feedback you really need to cite specific examples and qualify some of the statements you are making as they come across as somewhat vague to me. E.g., *which* Fedora artwork looks 'unnatural' to you? (provide links to screenshots or mockups) Why exactly? What parts of each piece communicate 'unnatural' to you? > Fedora's colors remind me of the movies The Matrix. > > I am not knocking Fedora, I love it. It just hurts me that the colors > aren't used to a more natural earthy approach. Mike, I think I'm understanding you a bit more but I wish you could provide more specific feedback. :) What about the theme mockups I cited doesn't come across as natural to you? I'm really confused: [1] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fc7ThemeProposalFlyingHighPOC?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=wallpaper-moonlight2.png [2] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fc7ThemeProposalFlyingHighPOC?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=flyinghigh-moonlight.png [3] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fc7ThemeProposalFedoraBorealis?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=fc7themeproposal-fedoraborealis-night2.png Do you think any of these appears unnatural? Why, specifically? It can't just be the colors - there's a lot more that gives a piece of artwork its feel than the specific colors in it, you know? What does each one remind you of that isn't unnatural? Why? Blue is a color that appears quite often in nature. If you would like to see themes that use a particular palette you like (you mention grass and earth a lot - green and brown - rather than the sky which is in fact blue when we are lucky :) ) then there's certainly nothing stopping you from taking some of the proposals we have on the table right now and experimenting with different color palettes in them. But I don't really think it's quite accurate to sweepingly judge all Fedora (and Red Hat for that matter) artwork as 'unnatural' based on the names of the colors involved rather than the treatment of the colors in them. Like I said above, it would be more fair to cite specific examples. While the Fedora logo's colors won't be changing anytime soon, we can most certainly investigate non-blue options as far as the color palette for the theme artwork goes. ~m From onuorah_ifeoma at yahoo.com Tue Dec 12 20:33:37 2006 From: onuorah_ifeoma at yahoo.com (Ifeoma Onuorah) Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2006 12:33:37 -0800 (PST) Subject: christmas wallpaper :) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <98900.79722.qm@web35703.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- Jiri Jakub Masek wrote: > Hi, good idea Nicu, so, people, look at this one > > http://kresby.grafika.cz/details.php?image_id=6174 > > there is only a preview because the real size of > that image is 1600x1200pix > and 2.5MB, so can not be published everywhere... > > JJM > > 2006/12/11, Nicu Buculei : > > > > mola pahnadayan wrote: > > > Hi all ;) > > > > > > > http://www.fedoraforum.org/gallery/showimage.php?i=2744 > > > > I think it may be a fun thing to do a informal > competition (without any > > prize) with holidays themed Fedora wallpapers. Do > such images, post them > > on your blogs, on fedoraforum.org, deviantArt, > flickr, here, everywhere. > > Show to the world you are proud to use Fedora and > are happy (that is, if > > you are happy). > > > > -- > > nicu > > Cool Fedora wallpapers: > http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ > > Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org > > my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Fedora-art-list mailing list > > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > > > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list > > > > > > -- > I'm still learning English... > Ji?? Jakub Ma?ek - Mr Jiri Jakub Masek > Czech Republic, European Union > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list That was a really neat Christmas wallpaper. I like the illusion of a tree that is given by the lights!! Job well done .. :) -Ify ____________________________________________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta. http://new.mail.yahoo.com From david at fubar.dk Tue Dec 12 21:40:10 2006 From: david at fubar.dk (David Zeuthen) Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2006 16:40:10 -0500 Subject: more natural colors In-Reply-To: <148c52290612121301h47431aacs1afa1ff3f69bb9a9@mail.gmail.com> References: <148c52290612101448g56c3f3a8tfd9af7aec52b27c2@mail.gmail.com> <457CF8CF.6040804@thefinalzone.com> <148c52290612102235x6eabc9acu336459b511edf3d8@mail.gmail.com> <148c52290612110948o36cfaeb4w510aca450ad25d08@mail.gmail.com> <9c3bfa1d0612120841p67979970h3ceed3ec7df242a@mail.gmail.com> <457EDD79.7000203@redhat.com> <148c52290612121301h47431aacs1afa1ff3f69bb9a9@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <457F21BA.10404@fubar.dk> Mike Chalmers wrote: > There is no way you can say the Red Hat's colors are natural if you > think about it. You can't just name any color and say it is natural > because it looks like red on trees. There is a big difference. I really agree here. The Fedora artwork is nice sure, but it really don't remind me of e.g. a peaceful natural forest or other things that I associate with nature; it has this certain sense of synthetic quality that is hard to pin point. It's also a bit too dark and detailed for my personal taste. To each their own I guess. +1 for back to nature. Thanks. David From mikechalmers70 at gmail.com Tue Dec 12 22:39:29 2006 From: mikechalmers70 at gmail.com (Mike Chalmers) Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2006 17:39:29 -0500 Subject: more natural colors In-Reply-To: <457F1F10.3090604@redhat.com> References: <148c52290612101448g56c3f3a8tfd9af7aec52b27c2@mail.gmail.com> <457CF8CF.6040804@thefinalzone.com> <148c52290612102235x6eabc9acu336459b511edf3d8@mail.gmail.com> <148c52290612110948o36cfaeb4w510aca450ad25d08@mail.gmail.com> <9c3bfa1d0612120841p67979970h3ceed3ec7df242a@mail.gmail.com> <457EDD79.7000203@redhat.com> <148c52290612121301h47431aacs1afa1ff3f69bb9a9@mail.gmail.com> <457F1F10.3090604@redhat.com> Message-ID: <148c52290612121439g33c3013fx54b83b2331661abd@mail.gmail.com> On 12/12/06, M?ir?n Duffy wrote: > Hi Mike, > > > On 12/12/06, M?ir?n Duffy wrote: > >> I think a lot of the themes we've got proposed have natural-looking > >> palettes - a lot are focused on the night sky, with various shades of > >> light and deep blue. > > Mike Chalmers wrote: > > The colors I speak of, are natural colors of pure life, trees and > > grass and earth. Not fire, metallic water, futuristic technological > > designs, lustful colors, metallic trees, stuff like that. Red Hat is > > definitely unnatural colors as is Fedora. I think if we think about it > > we can realize that, especially as artist. > > > > Things like blue metallic water, for example, compared to regular blue > > water is incomparable. Or metallic silver trees compared to green leaf > > trees or leaves in the fall. > > How about the blue night skies in some of our FC7 mockups? > > > There is no way you can say the Red Hat's colors are natural if you > > think about it. You can't just name any color and say it is natural > > because it looks like red on trees. There is a big difference. > > I'm not really following. I don't think it's fair to say the color red > is unnatural in all cases so hopefully I am misunderstanding you there? > > Certainly you can talk about a color's treatment in the context of a > color palette or its usage in a piece of artwork as being unnatural or > not. Even if you restate it in that way, however, I would still argue > Red Hat's treatment of the color red is certainly not predominantly > 'unnatural'. Other words come to mind ('bold' since it's bright and > attention-grabbing, 'different' as most tech companies go silver or > blue) but I really can't say 'unnatural' comes to mind. Not that RH's > graphic design is something we really have any say over in the Fedora > art team :) > > I think you may be on to some helpful critique here that we could apply > to our FC7 artwork. To make an effective case here, however, and provide > us with more useful feedback you really need to cite specific examples > and qualify some of the statements you are making as they come across as > somewhat vague to me. E.g., *which* Fedora artwork looks 'unnatural' to > you? (provide links to screenshots or mockups) Why exactly? What parts > of each piece communicate 'unnatural' to you? > > > Fedora's colors remind me of the movies The Matrix. > > > > I am not knocking Fedora, I love it. It just hurts me that the colors > > aren't used to a more natural earthy approach. > > Mike, I think I'm understanding you a bit more but I wish you could > provide more specific feedback. :) > > What about the theme mockups I cited doesn't come across as natural to > you? I'm really confused: > > [1] > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fc7ThemeProposalFlyingHighPOC?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=wallpaper-moonlight2.png > > [2] > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fc7ThemeProposalFlyingHighPOC?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=flyinghigh-moonlight.png > > [3] > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fc7ThemeProposalFedoraBorealis?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=fc7themeproposal-fedoraborealis-night2.png > > Do you think any of these appears unnatural? Why, specifically? It can't > just be the colors - there's a lot more that gives a piece of artwork > its feel than the specific colors in it, you know? What does each one > remind you of that isn't unnatural? Why? > > Blue is a color that appears quite often in nature. If you would like to > see themes that use a particular palette you like (you mention grass and > earth a lot - green and brown - rather than the sky which is in fact > blue when we are lucky :) ) then there's certainly nothing stopping you > from taking some of the proposals we have on the table right now and > experimenting with different color palettes in them. But I don't really > think it's quite accurate to sweepingly judge all Fedora (and Red Hat > for that matter) artwork as 'unnatural' based on the names of the colors > involved rather than the treatment of the colors in them. Like I said > above, it would be more fair to cite specific examples. > > While the Fedora logo's colors won't be changing anytime soon, we can > most certainly investigate non-blue options as far as the color palette > for the theme artwork goes. > > ~m > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list > Thanks, M?ir?n. I mean no harm to Fedora, believe me. I will do my best to answer your questions later. I am not the best artist though, actually I would call me a drawer with dreams, lol. :-) Kind Regards, Mike From stickster at gmail.com Wed Dec 13 01:57:18 2006 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2006 20:57:18 -0500 Subject: more natural colors In-Reply-To: <457F21BA.10404@fubar.dk> References: <148c52290612101448g56c3f3a8tfd9af7aec52b27c2@mail.gmail.com> <457CF8CF.6040804@thefinalzone.com> <148c52290612102235x6eabc9acu336459b511edf3d8@mail.gmail.com> <148c52290612110948o36cfaeb4w510aca450ad25d08@mail.gmail.com> <9c3bfa1d0612120841p67979970h3ceed3ec7df242a@mail.gmail.com> <457EDD79.7000203@redhat.com> <148c52290612121301h47431aacs1afa1ff3f69bb9a9@mail.gmail.com> <457F21BA.10404@fubar.dk> Message-ID: <1165975038.31082.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Tue, 2006-12-12 at 16:40 -0500, David Zeuthen wrote: > Mike Chalmers wrote: > > There is no way you can say the Red Hat's colors are natural if you > > think about it. You can't just name any color and say it is natural > > because it looks like red on trees. There is a big difference. > > I really agree here. The Fedora artwork is nice sure, but it really > don't remind me of e.g. a peaceful natural forest or other things that I > associate with nature; it has this certain sense of synthetic quality > that is hard to pin point. It's also a bit too dark and detailed for my > personal taste. To each their own I guess. > > +1 for back to nature. Thanks. I think by "unnatural" the OP means a color that is highly saturated (i.e. high in the "S" field with regard to HSV) beyond what one finds in the majority of natural settings. Our art tends toward cobalt and cerulean, which are maybe a bit more harsh to his eye. I have no beef with it myself -- just hoping to elucidate. -- Paul W. Frields, RHCE http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 Fedora Project Board: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Board Fedora Docs Project: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From duffy at redhat.com Wed Dec 13 02:23:38 2006 From: duffy at redhat.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?M=E1ir=EDn_Duffy?=) Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2006 21:23:38 -0500 Subject: [FC7 theme proposal] Flying High with Fedora 7 - Round 2 In-Reply-To: <1165784000.3692.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <20061210170005.F0C1873432@hormel.redhat.com> <1165784000.3692.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <457F642A.6040003@redhat.com> Hi John, John Baer wrote: > To your list I added optional artwork for a gimp splash, open office > splash, and the cd/dvd cover/jewel case. A total 18 images. Is it ok if I rearrange the flying high wiki pages a little bit? I don't think we're really ready in round 2 to break out into the different images for grub, rhgb, gdm, etc. I think we need to focus on getting some nice basic artwork submissions. But now it's harder to do that for Flying High - the original submission page says at the top we're not supposed to edit it. Could we take the pages that are broken out and hide them behind a subpage for round 3 and create a new round 2 submission page? Thanks, ~m From cimi86 at alice.it Wed Dec 13 02:45:45 2006 From: cimi86 at alice.it (Andrea Cimitan) Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2006 03:45:45 +0100 Subject: GTK2 Roundabout In-Reply-To: References: <1165657076.16261.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> <457D2907.7050100@nicubunu.ro> Message-ID: <20061213034545.039e7308@hydra.cimi.homelinux.net> Next version of Murrine is ready to be released (almost) with all bugfixes provided in the mailing lists (thx to all). Now the problem is "which colors"? I am thinking on a theme similar to Suse's Gilouche, but obviusly with different colorscheme. Gilouche is easy on the eyes and users can use it for month without being annoyed by it. Ideas, suggestions? You can contact me on irc, my nickname is "cimi", or just with other im clients. -- Cimi - Andrea Cimitan http://cimi.netsons.org From cimi86 at alice.it Wed Dec 13 02:59:17 2006 From: cimi86 at alice.it (Andrea Cimitan) Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2006 03:59:17 +0100 Subject: GTK2 Roundabout Message-ID: <20061213035917.5f3ad3f4@hydra.cimi.homelinux.net> Next version of Murrine is ready to be released (almost) with all bugfixes provided in the mailing lists (thx to all). Now the problem is "which colors"? I am thinking on a theme similar to Suse's Gilouche, but obviusly with different colorscheme. Gilouche is easy on the eyes and users can use it for month without being annoyed by it. Ideas, suggestions? You can contact me on irc, my nickname is "cimi", or just with other im clients. -- Cimi - Andrea Cimitan http://cimi.netsons.org From baerjj at gmail.com Wed Dec 13 03:12:05 2006 From: baerjj at gmail.com (John Baer) Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2006 22:12:05 -0500 Subject: [FC7 theme proposal] Flying High with Fedora 7 - Round 2 In-Reply-To: <20061211030059.6C62D72FCA@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20061211030059.6C62D72FCA@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1165979525.3864.11.camel@localhost.localdomain> All, I posted a GRUB image for your consideration. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fc7ThemeProposalFlyingHighGrub My thoughts are this image should be simple and the background color should be black. The boot process starts with a black background, proceeds to GRUB, then starts RHGB with a black background. With a two second pause anything other than black (or other dark color) may be perceived as a flash. As for the image itself anyone using a resolution greater than 640x480 will see an image expanded to fill the available space. The result is a lost of clarity. I tested this submission on my system (19" monitor) which displays 1280x1024 and I am pleased with the result. Cheers, John From baerjj at gmail.com Wed Dec 13 04:20:32 2006 From: baerjj at gmail.com (John Baer) Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2006 23:20:32 -0500 Subject: [FC7 theme proposal] Flying High with Fedora 7 - Round 2 In-Reply-To: <20061212170006.80800732C5@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20061212170006.80800732C5@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1165983632.4266.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> M?ir?n and Diana, I posted a RHGB submission to the wiki but I need your advice as to whether this type of image will work. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fc7ThemeProposalFlyingHighRhgl Other comments are welcomed as well. John From duffy at redhat.com Wed Dec 13 04:54:11 2006 From: duffy at redhat.com (=?UTF-8?B?TcOhaXLDrW4gRHVmZnk=?=) Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2006 23:54:11 -0500 Subject: [FC7 theme proposal] Flying High with Fedora 7 - Round 2 In-Reply-To: <1165784000.3692.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <20061210170005.F0C1873432@hormel.redhat.com> <1165784000.3692.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <457F8773.3040101@redhat.com> John Baer wrote: > I guess it's time to get to work! I put together some Flying High with Fedora artwork for round 2. I uploaded it here: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/FC7Themes/Fc7ThemeProposalFlyingHighRound2 I really really liked Ji??'s Flying High mockup [1] so these were heavily inspired by that! I added Ji??'s balloon design into these new ones - it adds variety and looks really slick. I also made SVGs available for each piece so everyone can feel free to play around with them. I'm thinking for the wallpaper something much more laid back than these little pieces (as Nicu pointed out earlier they're too busy for a wallpaper.) Maybe even just a simple night sky scape with two tiny balloons (community :) ) and some clouds off into a corner - similar to one of John's mocks [2], but with the logo and balloons even smaller in proportion. The release number is in one of them but it's not an integral part of the artwork (as it was for the c6re design.) I thought it might be useful to add into artwork on a very selective basis so you'll know what version it is you're running/installing/etc. What do you folks think about a number policy like that? ~m [1] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fc7ThemeProposalFlyingHighPOC?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=jjm-flying-high01.png [2] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fc7ThemeProposalFlyingHighPOC?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=wallpaper-moonlight2.png From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Wed Dec 13 06:59:44 2006 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2006 08:59:44 +0200 Subject: christmas wallpaper :) In-Reply-To: References: <1165657076.16261.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> <457D2907.7050100@nicubunu.ro> <457F0D19.7000005@redhat.com> Message-ID: <457FA4E0.6010108@nicubunu.ro> Jiri Jakub Masek wrote: > Thanks, M?ir?n, the problem is that I have temporary no access to my > website due to technical reasons, sorry. It should be better about few days. The real benefit of using deviantART is the community part*, some of us are already there, chained as friends, watching each other's work, commenting and helping to improve our works, see some of our pages: - M?ir?n's: http://pookstar.deviantart.com/ - Ben's: http://iamseawolf.deviantart.com/ - my own: http://nicubunu.deviantart.com/ And we are not yet using that site at its full capacity. * I started recently to use mugshot and am unhappy it lack support for our dA accounts. > 2006/12/12, M?ir?n Duffy < duffy at redhat.com >: > > Very cool! Have you considered signing up for a deviant art account? You > get a lot of space on there. Photobucket is another option. Deviant Art > has a really nice community around it; photobucket doesn't really have > any community aspects but it's a good quick place to host images. > > Here is where you sign up for each (they are free): > > http://www.deviantart.com/join/ -- nicu Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Wed Dec 13 07:10:53 2006 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2006 09:10:53 +0200 Subject: [FC7 theme proposal] Flying High with Fedora 7 - Round 2 In-Reply-To: <457F8773.3040101@redhat.com> References: <20061210170005.F0C1873432@hormel.redhat.com> <1165784000.3692.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> <457F8773.3040101@redhat.com> Message-ID: <457FA77D.3000002@nicubunu.ro> M?ir?n Duffy wrote: > I put together some Flying High with Fedora artwork for round 2. I > uploaded it here: > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/FC7Themes/Fc7ThemeProposalFlyingHighRound2 > > > I really really liked Ji??'s Flying High mockup [1] so these were > heavily inspired by that! I added Ji??'s balloon design into these new > ones - it adds variety and looks really slick. I also made SVGs > available for each piece so everyone can feel free to play around with > them. Wow! Just wow! I *really* like the "Squarish Artwork". Just make the colours in the tangram balloon a little more vivid and the background sky a little less plain and I think we have a winner. -- nicu Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Wed Dec 13 07:15:46 2006 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2006 09:15:46 +0200 Subject: more natural colors In-Reply-To: <148c52290612121439g33c3013fx54b83b2331661abd@mail.gmail.com> References: <148c52290612101448g56c3f3a8tfd9af7aec52b27c2@mail.gmail.com> <457CF8CF.6040804@thefinalzone.com> <148c52290612102235x6eabc9acu336459b511edf3d8@mail.gmail.com> <148c52290612110948o36cfaeb4w510aca450ad25d08@mail.gmail.com> <9c3bfa1d0612120841p67979970h3ceed3ec7df242a@mail.gmail.com> <457EDD79.7000203@redhat.com> <148c52290612121301h47431aacs1afa1ff3f69bb9a9@mail.gmail.com> <457F1F10.3090604@redhat.com> <148c52290612121439g33c3013fx54b83b2331661abd@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <457FA8A2.1090709@nicubunu.ro> Mike Chalmers wrote: > > Thanks, M?ir?n. I mean no harm to Fedora, believe me. I will do my > best to answer your questions later. I am not the best artist though, > actually I would call me a drawer with dreams, lol. :-) We can talk about what are natural colors and their benefits until our faces turn metallic blue (or similarly other unnatural color), the best thing is to post an image and then we can really see and understand (or disapprove) your point. -- nicu Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Wed Dec 13 07:37:48 2006 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2006 09:37:48 +0200 Subject: [FC7 theme proposal] Flying High with Fedora 7 - Round 2 In-Reply-To: <1165979525.3864.11.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <20061211030059.6C62D72FCA@hormel.redhat.com> <1165979525.3864.11.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <457FADCC.307@nicubunu.ro> John Baer wrote: > I posted a GRUB image for your consideration. > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fc7ThemeProposalFlyingHighGrub > > My thoughts are this image should be simple and the background color > should be black. Sorry, but I think is excessively simple. > The boot process starts with a black background, proceeds to GRUB, then > starts RHGB with a black background. > > With a two second pause anything other than black (or other dark color) > may be perceived as a flash. Why not at GRUB switch to a Fedora blue background and never turn black again until the desktop is completely loaded (after GDM login)? That would require getting rid of the few text messages displayed between GRUB and RHGB. > As for the image itself anyone using a resolution greater than 640x480 > will see an image expanded to fill the available space. The result is a > lost of clarity. > > I tested this submission on my system (19" monitor) which displays > 1280x1024 and I am pleased with the result. I doubt your GRUB screen is shown in 1280x1024, I believe it is shown in 640x480 but full screen (so it fit the 19" monitor) -- nicu Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From development at wilburwebdesign.net Wed Dec 13 07:04:50 2006 From: development at wilburwebdesign.net (development at wilburwebdesign.net) Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2006 01:04:50 -0600 Subject: more natural colors In-Reply-To: <20061213042039.A6A8772FE2@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20061213042039.A6A8772FE2@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <457FA612.5000704@wilburwebdesign.net> fedora-art-list-request at redhat.com wrote: > Send Fedora-art-list mailing list submissions to > fedora-art-list at redhat.com > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > fedora-art-list-request at redhat.com > > You can reach the person managing the list at > fedora-art-list-owner at redhat.com > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Fedora-art-list digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: more natural colors (David Zeuthen) > 2. Re: more natural colors (Mike Chalmers) > 3. Re: more natural colors (Paul W. Frields) > 4. Re: [FC7 theme proposal] Flying High with Fedora 7 - Round 2 > (M?ir?n Duffy) > 5. GTK2 Roundabout (Andrea Cimitan) > 6. GTK2 Roundabout (Andrea Cimitan) > 7. Re: [FC7 theme proposal] Flying High with Fedora 7 - Round 2 > (John Baer) > 8. Re: [FC7 theme proposal] Flying High with Fedora 7 - Round 2 > (John Baer) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2006 16:40:10 -0500 > From: David Zeuthen > Subject: Re: more natural colors > To: "Discussions about the artwork included with Fedora, including > icons, themes, and wallpapers." > Message-ID: <457F21BA.10404 at fubar.dk> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > Mike Chalmers wrote: > >> There is no way you can say the Red Hat's colors are natural if you >> think about it. You can't just name any color and say it is natural >> because it looks like red on trees. There is a big difference. >> > > I really agree here. The Fedora artwork is nice sure, but it really > don't remind me of e.g. a peaceful natural forest or other things that I > associate with nature; it has this certain sense of synthetic quality > that is hard to pin point. It's also a bit too dark and detailed for my > personal taste. To each their own I guess. > > +1 for back to nature. Thanks. > > David > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2006 17:39:29 -0500 > From: "Mike Chalmers" > Subject: Re: more natural colors > To: "Discussions about the artwork included with Fedora, including > icons, themes, and wallpapers." > Message-ID: > <148c52290612121439g33c3013fx54b83b2331661abd at mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > On 12/12/06, M?ir?n Duffy wrote: > >> Hi Mike, >> >> >>> On 12/12/06, M?ir?n Duffy wrote: >>> >>>> I think a lot of the themes we've got proposed have natural-looking >>>> palettes - a lot are focused on the night sky, with various shades of >>>> light and deep blue. >>>> >> Mike Chalmers wrote: >> >>> The colors I speak of, are natural colors of pure life, trees and >>> grass and earth. Not fire, metallic water, futuristic technological >>> designs, lustful colors, metallic trees, stuff like that. Red Hat is >>> definitely unnatural colors as is Fedora. I think if we think about it >>> we can realize that, especially as artist. >>> >>> Things like blue metallic water, for example, compared to regular blue >>> water is incomparable. Or metallic silver trees compared to green leaf >>> trees or leaves in the fall. >>> >> How about the blue night skies in some of our FC7 mockups? >> >> >>> There is no way you can say the Red Hat's colors are natural if you >>> think about it. You can't just name any color and say it is natural >>> because it looks like red on trees. There is a big difference. >>> >> I'm not really following. I don't think it's fair to say the color red >> is unnatural in all cases so hopefully I am misunderstanding you there? >> >> Certainly you can talk about a color's treatment in the context of a >> color palette or its usage in a piece of artwork as being unnatural or >> not. Even if you restate it in that way, however, I would still argue >> Red Hat's treatment of the color red is certainly not predominantly >> 'unnatural'. Other words come to mind ('bold' since it's bright and >> attention-grabbing, 'different' as most tech companies go silver or >> blue) but I really can't say 'unnatural' comes to mind. Not that RH's >> graphic design is something we really have any say over in the Fedora >> art team :) >> >> I think you may be on to some helpful critique here that we could apply >> to our FC7 artwork. To make an effective case here, however, and provide >> us with more useful feedback you really need to cite specific examples >> and qualify some of the statements you are making as they come across as >> somewhat vague to me. E.g., *which* Fedora artwork looks 'unnatural' to >> you? (provide links to screenshots or mockups) Why exactly? What parts >> of each piece communicate 'unnatural' to you? >> >> >>> Fedora's colors remind me of the movies The Matrix. >>> >>> I am not knocking Fedora, I love it. It just hurts me that the colors >>> aren't used to a more natural earthy approach. >>> >> Mike, I think I'm understanding you a bit more but I wish you could >> provide more specific feedback. :) >> >> What about the theme mockups I cited doesn't come across as natural to >> you? I'm really confused: >> >> [1] >> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fc7ThemeProposalFlyingHighPOC?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=wallpaper-moonlight2.png >> >> [2] >> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fc7ThemeProposalFlyingHighPOC?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=flyinghigh-moonlight.png >> >> [3] >> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fc7ThemeProposalFedoraBorealis?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=fc7themeproposal-fedoraborealis-night2.png >> >> Do you think any of these appears unnatural? Why, specifically? It can't >> just be the colors - there's a lot more that gives a piece of artwork >> its feel than the specific colors in it, you know? What does each one >> remind you of that isn't unnatural? Why? >> >> Blue is a color that appears quite often in nature. If you would like to >> see themes that use a particular palette you like (you mention grass and >> earth a lot - green and brown - rather than the sky which is in fact >> blue when we are lucky :) ) then there's certainly nothing stopping you >> from taking some of the proposals we have on the table right now and >> experimenting with different color palettes in them. But I don't really >> think it's quite accurate to sweepingly judge all Fedora (and Red Hat >> for that matter) artwork as 'unnatural' based on the names of the colors >> involved rather than the treatment of the colors in them. Like I said >> above, it would be more fair to cite specific examples. >> >> While the Fedora logo's colors won't be changing anytime soon, we can >> most certainly investigate non-blue options as far as the color palette >> for the theme artwork goes. >> >> ~m >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Fedora-art-list mailing list >> Fedora-art-list at redhat.com >> http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list >> >> > > > Thanks, M?ir?n. I mean no harm to Fedora, believe me. I will do my > best to answer your questions later. I am not the best artist though, > actually I would call me a drawer with dreams, lol. :-) > > Kind Regards, > Mike > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2006 20:57:18 -0500 > From: "Paul W. Frields" > Subject: Re: more natural colors > To: Discussions about the artwork "included with Fedora, including > icons, themes, and wallpapers." > Message-ID: <1165975038.31082.5.camel at localhost.localdomain> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > On Tue, 2006-12-12 at 16:40 -0500, David Zeuthen wrote: > >> Mike Chalmers wrote: >> >>> There is no way you can say the Red Hat's colors are natural if you >>> think about it. You can't just name any color and say it is natural >>> because it looks like red on trees. There is a big difference. >>> >> I really agree here. The Fedora artwork is nice sure, but it really >> don't remind me of e.g. a peaceful natural forest or other things that I >> associate with nature; it has this certain sense of synthetic quality >> that is hard to pin point. It's also a bit too dark and detailed for my >> personal taste. To each their own I guess. >> >> +1 for back to nature. Thanks. >> > > I think by "unnatural" the OP means a color that is highly saturated > (i.e. high in the "S" field with regard to HSV) beyond what one finds in > the majority of natural settings. Our art tends toward cobalt and > cerulean, which are maybe a bit more harsh to his eye. I have no beef > with it myself -- just hoping to elucidate. > > Where do I post bootsplash images for the Fedora Borealis theme? http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fc7ThemeProposalFedoraBorealis says "Immutable". http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fc7ThemeProposalFedoraBorealis?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=fc7themeproposal-fedoraborealis-night2.png is awesome. It is bright in the middle of this dark-type image; that gives a warm feeling. Many people replace default background images with Digital Blasphemy backgrounds or gnome-look.org(,etc.) backgrounds. This background would not be replaced by a lot of people. Thank you. From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Wed Dec 13 08:15:17 2006 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2006 10:15:17 +0200 Subject: more natural colors In-Reply-To: <457FA612.5000704@wilburwebdesign.net> References: <20061213042039.A6A8772FE2@hormel.redhat.com> <457FA612.5000704@wilburwebdesign.net> Message-ID: <457FB695.8050300@nicubunu.ro> development at wilburwebdesign.net wrote: > > Where do I post bootsplash images for the Fedora Borealis theme? > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fc7ThemeProposalFedoraBorealis says > "Immutable". Do you have a wiki account? If so, have you signed the CLA and got included in the EditGroup? You need those in order to post anything. > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fc7ThemeProposalFedoraBorealis?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=fc7themeproposal-fedoraborealis-night2.png > is awesome. It is bright in the middle of this dark-type image; that > gives a warm feeling. Many people replace default background images with > Digital Blasphemy backgrounds or gnome-look.org(,etc.) backgrounds. This > background would not be replaced by a lot of people. I am a fan of Borealis theme too. -- nicu Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From luya_tfz at thefinalzone.com Wed Dec 13 08:33:47 2006 From: luya_tfz at thefinalzone.com (Luya Tshimbalanga) Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2006 03:33:47 -0500 Subject: GTK2 Roundabout In-Reply-To: <20061213035917.5f3ad3f4@hydra.cimi.homelinux.net> References: <20061213035917.5f3ad3f4@hydra.cimi.homelinux.net> Message-ID: <1165998827.457fbaeb5ff0d@ssl.mecca.ca> Quoting Andrea Cimitan : > Next version of Murrine is ready to be released (almost) with all > bugfixes provided in the mailing lists (thx to all). > > Now the problem is "which colors"? Refer to this guideline on http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/EchoIconGuidelines I was planning for a new metacity theme and a GTK theme for Fedora but I have time constrain recently. As a result I am unable to achieve the metacity theme displayed on http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/LuyaTshimbalanga/MetacityConcept as I am completely unfamiliar with both Metacity and GTK. Feel free to explore around the concept. > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list > > -- Luya Tshimbalanga Fedora Project contributor http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/LuyaTshimbalanga From dfong at redhat.com Wed Dec 13 09:16:37 2006 From: dfong at redhat.com (Diana Fong) Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2006 04:16:37 -0500 Subject: GTK2 Roundabout In-Reply-To: <1165998827.457fbaeb5ff0d@ssl.mecca.ca> References: <20061213035917.5f3ad3f4@hydra.cimi.homelinux.net> <1165998827.457fbaeb5ff0d@ssl.mecca.ca> Message-ID: <457FC4F5.9070202@redhat.com> Luya Tshimbalanga wrote: > Quoting Andrea Cimitan : > > >> Next version of Murrine is ready to be released (almost) with all >> bugfixes provided in the mailing lists (thx to all). >> >> Now the problem is "which colors"? >> > > > Refer to this guideline on > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/EchoIconGuidelines > Please note...I just recently started this page...it is very much still a work in progress so please take this into consideration when viewing. I was going to announce its existence in a few days when I've completed it. However, thanks to Ben Arnold the color section is mostly complete...I only have a few modifications I'd like to make in the "Gray" color section. I shall update fedora-art-list once the modifications have been made. Ben did a great job in defining the key colors. The colors listed here were originally posted by him at http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/BenArnold/EchoColours. Thanks, Diana --- Red Hat Visual Designer | Desktop Group From baerjj at gmail.com Wed Dec 13 13:04:55 2006 From: baerjj at gmail.com (John Baer) Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2006 08:04:55 -0500 Subject: [FC7 theme proposal] Flying High with Fedora 7 - Round 2 Message-ID: <484ace5d0612130504g3d4ea4ffmb308122547cb2356@mail.gmail.com> M?ir?n, I always welcome help. Please edit the "Flying High" wiki pages as needed to come into alignment with your vision. :) John -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From iamseawolf at gmail.com Wed Dec 13 13:22:23 2006 From: iamseawolf at gmail.com (seawolf) Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2006 13:22:23 +0000 Subject: RHGB Help In-Reply-To: <484ace5d0612130516l21c4c53fnabc41b836fbf0d0a@mail.gmail.com> References: <484ace5d0612130516l21c4c53fnabc41b836fbf0d0a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <9c3bfa1d0612130522s22855f07gf0e8d5372f790b99@mail.gmail.com> If http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/ReleaseGraphics?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=05fc6a.png is the correct one, Colour2 :: the RGB is 00/32/68 and the Hex is #002044. Colour2 :: the RGB is 00/37/77 and the Hex is #00254D. On 13/12/06, John Baer wrote: > I see from Diana's document the background color for the RHGB screen is > derived from the First Boot screen. > > Does anyone know the values (HEX) of color01 & color02 ? > > John > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list > > > -- ..// seawolf //.. Ben Arnold e-mail / msn / icq / yahoo iamseawolf (at) gmail (dot) com http://clik.to/seawolfsanctuary fedora core : artwork GnuPG Available - ask me! From dfong at redhat.com Wed Dec 13 14:51:07 2006 From: dfong at redhat.com (Diana Fong) Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2006 09:51:07 -0500 Subject: RHGB Help In-Reply-To: <9c3bfa1d0612130522s22855f07gf0e8d5372f790b99@mail.gmail.com> References: <484ace5d0612130516l21c4c53fnabc41b836fbf0d0a@mail.gmail.com> <9c3bfa1d0612130522s22855f07gf0e8d5372f790b99@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4580135B.4060907@redhat.com> seawolf wrote: > If > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/ReleaseGraphics?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=05fc6a.png > > is the correct one, > > Colour2 :: the RGB is 00/32/68 and the Hex is #002044 > Colour2 :: the RGB is 00/37/77 and the Hex is #00254D. > > On 13/12/06, John Baer wrote: >> I see from Diana's document the background color for the RHGB screen is >> derived from the First Boot screen. >> >> Does anyone know the values (HEX) of color01 & color02 ? Hello John and Seawolf, Minor clarifications. - Colour1 is #002044...and therefore...Colour2 is #00254D. - This section is slightly confusing and so I'd like to clarify that as RHGB is before FirstBoot...the background color (Color02) chosen in RHGB will be the same one (Color02) in FirstBoot. The result is identical to what you've mentioned, they both use the same Color02. However it might be useful to note the order to help understand where the color is coming from and how we might utilize the color transition if a different color could be set for FirstBoot in the future (I filed a bug [1] about this a few weeks ago). [1] https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=216217 Diana --- Red Hat Visual Designer | Desktop Group From duffy at redhat.com Wed Dec 13 15:34:16 2006 From: duffy at redhat.com (=?UTF-8?B?TcOhaXLDrW4gRHVmZnk=?=) Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2006 10:34:16 -0500 Subject: [FC7 theme proposal] Flying High with Fedora 7 - Round 2 In-Reply-To: <457FA77D.3000002@nicubunu.ro> References: <20061210170005.F0C1873432@hormel.redhat.com> <1165784000.3692.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> <457F8773.3040101@redhat.com> <457FA77D.3000002@nicubunu.ro> Message-ID: <45801D78.90707@redhat.com> Nicu Buculei wrote: > M?ir?n Duffy wrote: >> I put together some Flying High with Fedora artwork for round 2. I >> uploaded it here: >> >> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/FC7Themes/Fc7ThemeProposalFlyingHighRound2 >> >> >> I really really liked Ji??'s Flying High mockup [1] so these were >> heavily inspired by that! I added Ji??'s balloon design into these new >> ones - it adds variety and looks really slick. I also made SVGs >> available for each piece so everyone can feel free to play around with >> them. > > Wow! Just wow! > I *really* like the "Squarish Artwork". Just make the colours in the > tangram balloon a little more vivid and the background sky a little less > plain and I think we have a winner. :) Nicu, I love the modifications you uploaded!! They make the logo stand out a lot better and the sky looks less plain now. Do we like this artwork straight/clean/clear? Maybe we could play around with a more painterly touch or textures? E.g., while I stared at this too long when I made it and it's probably overkill, something like: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fc7ThemeProposalFlyingHighPOC?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=flyinghigh-moonlight2.png (it's a little oversaturated for sure; it needs to be tuned down) I was kind of going for a grainy-film look. The balloon idea made me think of the Smashing Pumkins 'tonight, tonight' music video [1] which had that kind of novel quality to it so I wanted to see how it'd look here. ~m [1] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2_7VRYySrVA From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Wed Dec 13 15:38:32 2006 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2006 21:08:32 +0530 Subject: [FC7 theme proposal] Flying High with Fedora 7 - Round 2 In-Reply-To: <45801D78.90707@redhat.com> References: <20061210170005.F0C1873432@hormel.redhat.com> <1165784000.3692.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> <457F8773.3040101@redhat.com> <457FA77D.3000002@nicubunu.ro> <45801D78.90707@redhat.com> Message-ID: <45801E78.9080808@fedoraproject.org> M?ir?n Duffy wrote: > > Do we like this artwork straight/clean/clear? Maybe we could play around > with a more painterly touch or textures? > > E.g., while I stared at this too long when I made it and it's probably > overkill, something like: > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fc7ThemeProposalFlyingHighPOC?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=flyinghigh-moonlight2.png > > > (it's a little oversaturated for sure; it needs to be tuned down) I was > kind of going for a grainy-film look. The balloon idea made me think of > the Smashing Pumkins 'tonight, tonight' music video [1] which had that > kind of novel quality to it so I wanted to see how it'd look here. > > ~m > > [1] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2_7VRYySrVA I am not sure whether end users would see that as a particular style or just a poor quality image. Kind of like when my grandfather told me to properly iron my "crumbled look" shirt. Rahul From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Wed Dec 13 16:07:17 2006 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2006 18:07:17 +0200 Subject: [FC7 theme proposal] Flying High with Fedora 7 - Round 2 In-Reply-To: <45801E78.9080808@fedoraproject.org> References: <20061210170005.F0C1873432@hormel.redhat.com> <1165784000.3692.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> <457F8773.3040101@redhat.com> <457FA77D.3000002@nicubunu.ro> <45801D78.90707@redhat.com> <45801E78.9080808@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <45802535.4020508@nicubunu.ro> Rahul Sundaram wrote: > M?ir?n Duffy wrote: >> (it's a little oversaturated for sure; it needs to be tuned down) I >> was kind of going for a grainy-film look. The balloon idea made me >> think of the Smashing Pumkins 'tonight, tonight' music video [1] which >> had that kind of novel quality to it so I wanted to see how it'd look >> here. > > I am not sure whether end users would see that as a particular style or > just a poor quality image. Kind of like when my grandfather told me to > properly iron my "crumbled look" shirt. At the first look I thought is bad dithering :p -- nicu Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From duffy at redhat.com Wed Dec 13 16:10:21 2006 From: duffy at redhat.com (=?UTF-8?B?TcOhaXLDrW4gRHVmZnk=?=) Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2006 11:10:21 -0500 Subject: [FC7 theme proposal] Flying High with Fedora 7 - Round 2 In-Reply-To: <45802535.4020508@nicubunu.ro> References: <20061210170005.F0C1873432@hormel.redhat.com> <1165784000.3692.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> <457F8773.3040101@redhat.com> <457FA77D.3000002@nicubunu.ro> <45801D78.90707@redhat.com> <45801E78.9080808@fedoraproject.org> <45802535.4020508@nicubunu.ro> Message-ID: <458025ED.6040509@redhat.com> Nicu Buculei wrote: > Rahul Sundaram wrote: >> M?ir?n Duffy wrote: >>> (it's a little oversaturated for sure; it needs to be tuned down) I >>> was kind of going for a grainy-film look. The balloon idea made me >>> think of the Smashing Pumkins 'tonight, tonight' music video [1] >>> which had that kind of novel quality to it so I wanted to see how >>> it'd look here. >> >> I am not sure whether end users would see that as a particular style >> or just a poor quality image. Kind of like when my grandfather told me >> to properly iron my "crumbled look" shirt. > > At the first look I thought is bad dithering :p Well!!! Somebody could do a better job than me I'm sure!! :) I recently reinstalled this computer so I lost a lot of my textures and things :( It would be sooo cool if we could develop a set of openly-licensed textures/patterns and make them available on the wiki, etc. :) ~m From development at wilburwebdesign.net Wed Dec 13 17:49:22 2006 From: development at wilburwebdesign.net (development at wilburwebdesign.net) Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2006 11:49:22 -0600 Subject: [FC7 theme proposal] Flying High with Fedora 7 - Round 2 In-Reply-To: <20061213081916.9502573034@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20061213081916.9502573034@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <45803D22.80201@wilburwebdesign.net> fedora-art-list-request at redhat.com wrote: > Send Fedora-art-list mailing list submissions to > fedora-art-list at redhat.com > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > fedora-art-list-request at redhat.com > > You can reach the person managing the list at > fedora-art-list-owner at redhat.com > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Fedora-art-list digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: [FC7 theme proposal] Flying High with Fedora 7 - Round 2 > (M?ir?n Duffy) > 2. Re: christmas wallpaper :) (Nicu Buculei) > 3. Re: [FC7 theme proposal] Flying High with Fedora 7 - Round 2 > (Nicu Buculei) > 4. Re: more natural colors (Nicu Buculei) > 5. Re: [FC7 theme proposal] Flying High with Fedora 7 - Round 2 > (Nicu Buculei) > 6. Re: more natural colors (development at wilburwebdesign.net) > 7. Re: more natural colors (Nicu Buculei) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2006 23:54:11 -0500 > From: M?ir?n Duffy > Subject: Re: [FC7 theme proposal] Flying High with Fedora 7 - Round 2 > To: "Discussions about the artwork included with Fedora, including > icons, themes, and wallpapers." > Message-ID: <457F8773.3040101 at redhat.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed > > John Baer wrote: > >> I guess it's time to get to work! >> > > I put together some Flying High with Fedora artwork for round 2. I > uploaded it here: > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/FC7Themes/Fc7ThemeProposalFlyingHighRound2 > > I really really liked Ji????'s Flying High mockup [1] so these were > heavily inspired by that! I added Ji????'s balloon design into these new > ones - it adds variety and looks really slick. I also made SVGs > available for each piece so everyone can feel free to play around with them. > > I'm thinking for the wallpaper something much more laid back than these > little pieces (as Nicu pointed out earlier they're too busy for a > wallpaper.) Maybe even just a simple night sky scape with two tiny > balloons (community :) ) and some clouds off into a corner - similar to > one of John's mocks [2], but with the logo and balloons even smaller in > proportion. > > The release number is in one of them but it's not an integral part of > the artwork (as it was for the c6re design.) I thought it might be > useful to add into artwork on a very selective basis so you'll know what > version it is you're running/installing/etc. What do you folks think > about a number policy like that? > > ~m > > [1] > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fc7ThemeProposalFlyingHighPOC?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=jjm-flying-high01.png > [2] > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fc7ThemeProposalFlyingHighPOC?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=wallpaper-moonlight2.png > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2006 08:59:44 +0200 > From: Nicu Buculei > Subject: Re: christmas wallpaper :) > To: "Discussions about the artwork included with Fedora, including > icons, themes, and wallpapers." > Message-ID: <457FA4E0.6010108 at nicubunu.ro> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed > > Jiri Jakub Masek wrote: > >> Thanks, M??ir??n, the problem is that I have temporary no access to my >> website due to technical reasons, sorry. It should be better about few days. >> > > The real benefit of using deviantART is the community part*, some of us > are already there, chained as friends, watching each other's work, > commenting and helping to improve our works, see some of our pages: > - M??ir??n's: http://pookstar.deviantart.com/ > - Ben's: http://iamseawolf.deviantart.com/ > - my own: http://nicubunu.deviantart.com/ > And we are not yet using that site at its full capacity. > > > * I started recently to use mugshot and am unhappy it lack support for > our dA accounts. > > >> 2006/12/12, M??ir??n Duffy < duffy at redhat.com >: >> >> Very cool! Have you considered signing up for a deviant art account? You >> get a lot of space on there. Photobucket is another option. Deviant Art >> has a really nice community around it; photobucket doesn't really have >> any community aspects but it's a good quick place to host images. >> >> Here is where you sign up for each (they are free): >> >> http://www.deviantart.com/join/ >> > > Flying High Round 2 rocks. attachment:flying-high-r2-square1.svg , attachment:flying-high-r2-horiz1_takeN.svg , and attachment:flying-high-r2-vert1.svg are interesting. A theme with this artwork would definitely fit students, professors, children, and other people. From baerjj at gmail.com Wed Dec 13 18:09:04 2006 From: baerjj at gmail.com (John Baer) Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2006 13:09:04 -0500 Subject: RHGB Help Message-ID: <484ace5d0612131009p4bbb18a0m3fbdb9d593ff6c97@mail.gmail.com> Diana & Seawolf, Thanks for the info. That's exactly what I needed. Diana, an additional question? Is there a chance the RHGB code can be changed to accommodate alternate images styles? If you look at the submission dated 12/12 you can get an idea of what I was thinking. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fc7ThemeProposalFlyingHighRhgl In addition, the current 320x396 size is a constraint when you are attempting to blend the artwork into the screen display. If you look at the submission on the same page dated 12/13 you can get an idea of what I was saying. The objects on image01 are almost border to border, left to right, but it still looks cut and paste. IMO displaying an image in the same manner as a background/wallpaper with guidance to the the author as to how the progress bar will be placed seems like a simple solution which would provide for a lot of flexibility. If required to make this work, I would not mind crafting images scaled to all appropriate screen resolutions. (ie. 640x480, 800x600, 1024x768, 1280x1024, etc) John -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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That's exactly what I needed. > > Diana, an additional question? > > Is there a chance the RHGB code can be changed to accommodate alternate > images styles? > > If you look at the submission dated 12/12 you can get an idea of what I > was thinking. > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fc7ThemeProposalFlyingHighRhgl I like your work, just I feel that a *baloon basket* could be quadratic....................JJM In addition, the current 320x396 size is a constraint when you are > attempting to blend the artwork > into the screen display. > > If you look at the submission on the same page dated 12/13 you can get an > idea of what I was saying. The objects > on image01 are almost border to border, left to right, but it still looks > cut and paste. > > IMO displaying an image in the same manner as a background/wallpaper with > guidance to the > the author as to how the progress bar will be placed seems like a simple > solution which would > provide for a lot of flexibility. > > If required to make this work, I would not mind crafting images scaled to > all appropriate screen resolutions. > (ie. 640x480, 800x600, 1024x768, 1280x1024, etc) > > John > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list > > > -- I'm still learning English... Ji?? Jakub Ma?ek - Mr Jiri Jakub Masek Czech Republic, European Union -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From duffy at redhat.com Wed Dec 13 19:19:03 2006 From: duffy at redhat.com (duffy at redhat.com) Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2006 14:19:03 -0500 Subject: [FC7 theme proposal] Flying High with Fedora 7 - Round 2 In-Reply-To: <45802535.4020508@nicubunu.ro> References: <20061210170005.F0C1873432@hormel.redhat.com> <1165784000.3692.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> <457F8773.3040101@redhat.com> <457FA77D.3000002@nicubunu.ro> <45801D78.90707@redhat.com> <45801E78.9080808@fedoraproject.org> <45802535.4020508@nicubunu.ro> Message-ID: <20061213141903.n9ga87hqo8g0osss@webmail.corp.redhat.com> Quoting Nicu Buculei : > Rahul Sundaram wrote: >> M?ir?n Duffy wrote: >>> (it's a little oversaturated for sure; it needs to be tuned down) I >>> was kind of going for a grainy-film look. The balloon idea made me >>> think of the Smashing Pumkins 'tonight, tonight' music video [1] >>> which had that kind of novel quality to it so I wanted to see how >>> it'd look here. >> >> I am not sure whether end users would see that as a particular style >> or just a poor quality image. Kind of like when my grandfather told >> me to properly iron my "crumbled look" shirt. > > At the first look I thought is bad dithering :p I thought of a better example than my feeble attempt! Remember back in the day this gorgeous GIMP splash screen art by tigert? http://www.gimp.org/about/splash/splash-images/gimp_splash.1.11.png ~m From iamseawolf at gmail.com Wed Dec 13 20:27:22 2006 From: iamseawolf at gmail.com (Ben Arnold) Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2006 20:27:22 +0000 Subject: [FC7 theme proposal] Flying High with Fedora 7 - Round 2 In-Reply-To: <20061213141903.n9ga87hqo8g0osss@webmail.corp.redhat.com> References: <20061210170005.F0C1873432@hormel.redhat.com> <1165784000.3692.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> <457F8773.3040101@redhat.com> <457FA77D.3000002@nicubunu.ro> <45801D78.90707@redhat.com> <45801E78.9080808@fedoraproject.org> <45802535.4020508@nicubunu.ro> <20061213141903.n9ga87hqo8g0osss@webmail.corp.redhat.com> Message-ID: <9c3bfa1d0612131227r79611a16m461391720d862018@mail.gmail.com> On 13/12/06, Nicu Buculei wrote: > M?ir?n Duffy wrote: > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/FC7Themes/Fc7ThemeProposalFlyingHighRound2 > Wow! Just wow! > I *really* like the "Squarish Artwork". Just make the colours in the > tangram balloon a little more vivid and the background sky a little less > plain and I think we have a winner. I don't think we should use both style of balloons, I would prefer it if we kept to the rounded ones rather than the tanagram. The association between a balloon and speech bubble in the logo would come pretty easy so I don't feel the need for the balloons to include an 'f'. --- On 13/12/06, duffy at redhat.com wrote: > Remember back in the day this gorgeous GIMP splash screen art by tigert? > > http://www.gimp.org/about/splash/splash-images/gimp_splash.1.11.png ~contemplative sigh and smile~ -- ..// seawolf //.. Ben Arnold e-mail / msn / icq / yahoo iamseawolf (at) gmail (dot) com http://clik.to/seawolfsanctuary fedora core : artwork GnuPG Available - ask me! From duffy at redhat.com Thu Dec 14 00:48:08 2006 From: duffy at redhat.com (=?UTF-8?B?TcOhaXLDrW4gRHVmZnk=?=) Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2006 19:48:08 -0500 Subject: Fedora Borealis Round 2 (was Re: more natural colors) In-Reply-To: <457FA612.5000704@wilburwebdesign.net> References: <20061213042039.A6A8772FE2@hormel.redhat.com> <457FA612.5000704@wilburwebdesign.net> Message-ID: <45809F48.3070300@redhat.com> development at wilburwebdesign.net wrote: > Where do I post bootsplash images for the Fedora Borealis theme? > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fc7ThemeProposalFedoraBorealis says > "Immutable". Hmm... That page is still appropriate to upload design work to. I can edit it. Do you have an account on our wiki? It might be you don't have an account, or you need wiki write privileges. If you do have an account, let me know the username and I can add wiki editing privileges to it. > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fc7ThemeProposalFedoraBorealis?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=fc7themeproposal-fedoraborealis-night2.png > is awesome. It is bright in the middle of this dark-type image; that > gives a warm feeling. Many people replace default background images with > Digital Blasphemy backgrounds or gnome-look.org(,etc.) backgrounds. This > background would not be replaced by a lot of people. Sweet, thanks. Look forward to seeing your bootsplashes for it! ~m From duffy at redhat.com Thu Dec 14 01:00:24 2006 From: duffy at redhat.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?M=E1ir=EDn_Duffy?=) Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2006 20:00:24 -0500 Subject: RHGB Help In-Reply-To: <484ace5d0612131009p4bbb18a0m3fbdb9d593ff6c97@mail.gmail.com> References: <484ace5d0612131009p4bbb18a0m3fbdb9d593ff6c97@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4580A228.4070202@redhat.com> Hi John, John Baer wrote: > Is there a chance the RHGB code can be changed to accommodate alternate > images styles? We would need to work with the upstream developers on this. Honestly though, I think it's better to work with what RHGB can do and come up with creative solutions around the technical limitations unless they're truly horrible. Modifying the way the code works just for marginal gain in the style department isn't always a good idea. If your goal is to simply make it look 'different': what some distros have done with RHGB is make the two colors the same for a different look. You can also change the throbber animation. We may even want to look at other options like bootsplash (I think this was getting added into extras.) > If you look at the submission dated 12/12 you can get an idea of what I > was thinking. > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fc7ThemeProposalFlyingHighRhgl That's not really possible. The 12/13 mockup looks quite do-able though. > If you look at the submission on the same page dated 12/13 you can get > an idea of what I was saying. The objects > on image01 are almost border to border, left to right, but it still > looks cut and paste. > > IMO displaying an image in the same manner as a background/wallpaper > with guidance to the > the author as to how the progress bar will be placed seems like a simple > solution which would > provide for a lot of flexibility. > > If required to make this work, I would not mind crafting images scaled > to all appropriate screen resolutions. > (ie. 640x480, 800x600, 1024x768, 1280x1024, etc) I don't think this proposal is necessarily a good idea: - RHGB might not even have any knowledge of the screen resolution (it may, it may not.) It seems kind of silly to add logic to load a particular image based on resolution - it makes the artwork and code less maintainable. - Using an SVG might be nice but this would still cause issues with widescreen as our svg library doesn't yet support the basic SVG features that would let you indicate where to expand/crop the image for different screen ratios. I think before we make request to the code maintainers to modify RHGB, we should look into more creative ways of styling RHGB. Just my two cents. ~m From duffy at redhat.com Thu Dec 14 02:37:58 2006 From: duffy at redhat.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?M=E1ir=EDn_Duffy?=) Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2006 21:37:58 -0500 Subject: Art Team FC7 Progress So Far - Community Feedback Message-ID: <4580B906.8010404@redhat.com> Hi folks, So a few days ago I submitted an item to Fedora News [1] about our progress so far and inviting more artists to join our team. The response I've received in my blog comments about our progress thus far has been overwhelmingly positive: - "Great work guys.... You set the bar really high with the last one, but I know you can do it. :-)" - "keep up your fantastic work!" - "hm... These themes are all cool and very nice. You are doing excellent work." I just wanted to point these out to you as inspiration :) Some specific feedback for improvement/critique on the FC7 themes thus far is below: = Flying High = (no critiques, lots of <3 :) ) = Planet = (no critiques, lots of <3 :) ) = Borealis = - "Sitting here in Fairbanks, AK, looking up at the aurora right now and I can't help but think.. can you add some green-ish or violet-ish into the sky tinting into the auroral effects? The violet would tint the lower edge while a green tint would pre-dominate most of the curtain." (from Jef) - "Too small amount of colors" = General = - "This may be impractical, but what about taking a couple of the other themes (planet, borealis), and putting them on the balloons in the Flying High wallpaper/theme. It would help it look more like a ballon launch with different balloons (like in here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Bristol_International_Balloon_Fiesta.JPG) and allow for multiple themes in the default. Alternately, you could use the themes from some of the older cores." - "Why are Fedora themes so dark? I'll like to see shinning themes, bright themes, not obscure or nightly! Dark backgrounds make dificult to be seen with detail on some older monitors, for instance. They look to dark-blue almost-black." ~m [1] http://fedoranews.org/wiki/Fedora_Weekly_News_Issue_70#Fedora_7_Theme_Needs_Your_Help.21 From Tommy.Reynolds at MegaCoder.com Thu Dec 14 02:56:32 2006 From: Tommy.Reynolds at MegaCoder.com (Tommy Reynolds) Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2006 18:56:32 -0800 Subject: more natural colors In-Reply-To: <1165975038.31082.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <148c52290612101448g56c3f3a8tfd9af7aec52b27c2@mail.gmail.com> <457CF8CF.6040804@thefinalzone.com> <148c52290612102235x6eabc9acu336459b511edf3d8@mail.gmail.com> <148c52290612110948o36cfaeb4w510aca450ad25d08@mail.gmail.com> <9c3bfa1d0612120841p67979970h3ceed3ec7df242a@mail.gmail.com> <457EDD79.7000203@redhat.com> <148c52290612121301h47431aacs1afa1ff3f69bb9a9@mail.gmail.com> <457F21BA.10404@fubar.dk> <1165975038.31082.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <20061213185632.58adcd2a.Tommy.Reynolds@MegaCoder.com> Uttered "Paul W. Frields" , spake thus: > > Mike Chalmers wrote: > > +1 for back to nature. Thanks. > I think by "unnatural" the OP means a color that is highly saturated > (i.e. high in the "S" field with regard to HSV) beyond what one finds in > the majority of natural settings. These days I pick more primary-type colors because of unfortunate incidents when an overhead project's color temperature wasn't keen. My really pleasing gold color became a sickly green. Now, I just vary the amount of washout ;-) From dfong at redhat.com Thu Dec 14 05:45:00 2006 From: dfong at redhat.com (Diana Fong) Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2006 00:45:00 -0500 Subject: RHGB Help In-Reply-To: <484ace5d0612131009p4bbb18a0m3fbdb9d593ff6c97@mail.gmail.com> References: <484ace5d0612131009p4bbb18a0m3fbdb9d593ff6c97@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4580E4DC.1060201@redhat.com> John Baer wrote: > Diana & Seawolf, > Thanks for the info. That's exactly what I needed. > > Diana, an additional question? > Is there a chance the RHGB code can be changed to accommodate > alternate images styles? John, I forwarded your question to my desktop team lead for technical input and here's what I got... mclasen: In general, it is possible to change the way rhgb handles the images, mclasen: but it means patching the rhgb source code. mclasen: That is certainly more likely to happen if theme proposals are accompanied by a suitable rhgb patch... My general advice, therefore, would be to creatively design within the specifications designated by the current rhgb source code. However, if you feel strongly about your design (12/12) and have the programming ability...alternate image styles are definitely possible. Diana --- Red Hat Visual Designer | Desktop Group From foolish at guezz.net Thu Dec 14 05:05:13 2006 From: foolish at guezz.net (Sindre Pedersen Bjordal) Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2006 06:05:13 +0100 Subject: Diana Fongs ICF artwork Message-ID: <1166072714.7004.10.camel@localhost.localdomain> Diana Fongs wonderful ICF Fedora backgrounds use the Fedora Logo. At the same time they are, as far as I understand, licensed under the Creative Commons Attribution-NonCommercial-NoDerivs 2.5 License which means they can't be included in the Fedora Project. I find this very contradictory to the stated goals of the Fedora project and I can't really understand why these wallpapers, clearly intended for use on Fedora systems, is licensed in a way that prevents inclusion in the Fedora Project? Can anyone shed some light on to this situation? Can Diana change the licensing on her artwork to allow inclusion in Fedora? If able to, how can I convince her to do so? Information from Diana about her ICF wallpapers here: http://www.isity.net/blog/?p=19 -- Sindre Pedersen Bjordal From xiezw at ctb.pku.edu.cn Wed Dec 13 06:55:47 2006 From: xiezw at ctb.pku.edu.cn (Xie Zhengwei) Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2006 22:55:47 -0800 Subject: [FC7 theme proposal] Flying High with Fedora 7 - Round 2 In-Reply-To: <457F8773.3040101@redhat.com> References: <20061210170005.F0C1873432@hormel.redhat.com> <1165784000.3692.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> <457F8773.3040101@redhat.com> Message-ID: Great ! I like it! On Tue, 12 Dec 2006 20:54:11 -0800, M?ir?n Duffy wrote: > John Baer wrote: >> I guess it's time to get to work! > > I put together some Flying High with Fedora artwork for round 2. I > uploaded it here: > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/FC7Themes/Fc7ThemeProposalFlyingHighRound2 > > I really really liked Ji??'s Flying High mockup [1] so these were > heavily inspired by that! I added Ji??'s balloon design into these new > ones - it adds variety and looks really slick. I also made SVGs > available for each piece so everyone can feel free to play around with > them. > > I'm thinking for the wallpaper something much more laid back than these > little pieces (as Nicu pointed out earlier they're too busy for a > wallpaper.) Maybe even just a simple night sky scape with two tiny > balloons (community :) ) and some clouds off into a corner - similar to > one of John's mocks [2], but with the logo and balloons even smaller in > proportion. > > The release number is in one of them but it's not an integral part of > the artwork (as it was for the c6re design.) I thought it might be > useful to add into artwork on a very selective basis so you'll know what > version it is you're running/installing/etc. What do you folks think > about a number policy like that? > > ~m > > [1] > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fc7ThemeProposalFlyingHighPOC?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=jjm-flying-high01.png > [2] > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fc7ThemeProposalFlyingHighPOC?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=wallpaper-moonlight2.png > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list -- Zhengwei Xie Center for Theoretical Biology Department of Physics Peking University Changchun Yuan 1-123, 5# Yiheyuan Road, Peking University, Beijing, P. R. China 100871 Tel: 86-13811317502 From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Thu Dec 14 08:39:56 2006 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2006 10:39:56 +0200 Subject: [FC7 theme proposal] Flying High with Fedora 7 - Round 2 In-Reply-To: <20061213141903.n9ga87hqo8g0osss@webmail.corp.redhat.com> References: <20061210170005.F0C1873432@hormel.redhat.com> <1165784000.3692.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> <457F8773.3040101@redhat.com> <457FA77D.3000002@nicubunu.ro> <45801D78.90707@redhat.com> <45801E78.9080808@fedoraproject.org> <45802535.4020508@nicubunu.ro> <20061213141903.n9ga87hqo8g0osss@webmail.corp.redhat.com> Message-ID: <45810DDC.30303@nicubunu.ro> M?ir?n Duffy wrote: > > (it's a little oversaturated for sure; it needs to be tuned down) I was > kind of going for a grainy-film look. The balloon idea made me think of > the Smashing Pumkins 'tonight, tonight' music video [1] which had that > kind of novel quality to it so I wanted to see how it'd look here. duffy at redhat.com wrote: > > Remember back in the day this gorgeous GIMP splash screen art by tigert? > > http://www.gimp.org/about/splash/splash-images/gimp_splash.1.11.png Played with some filters in GIMP: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fc7ThemeProposalFlyingHighPOC?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=flyinghigh-moonlight_sepia.png -- nicu Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Thu Dec 14 09:21:19 2006 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2006 11:21:19 +0200 Subject: Diana Fongs ICF artwork In-Reply-To: <1166072714.7004.10.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1166072714.7004.10.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <4581178F.1060104@nicubunu.ro> Sindre Pedersen Bjordal wrote: > Diana Fongs wonderful ICF Fedora backgrounds use the Fedora Logo. At the > same time they are, as far as I understand, licensed under the Creative > Commons Attribution-NonCommercial-NoDerivs 2.5 License which means they > can't be included in the Fedora Project. I find this very contradictory > to the stated goals of the Fedora project and I can't really understand > why these wallpapers, clearly intended for use on Fedora systems, is > licensed in a way that prevents inclusion in the Fedora Project? I do not think we want to include a lot of photographic backgrounds inside the distro anyway. > Can anyone shed some light on to this situation? Can Diana change the > licensing on her artwork to allow inclusion in Fedora? If able to, how > can I convince her to do so? This is entirely her original work, so I expect Diana may relicense it at will, you have only to persuade her hard enough. If I would take I wild guess, I would suggest making background channels (http://www.gnome.org/~clarkbw/blog/GNOME/background_channels) work, this certainly will convince a lot of people (maybe even Diana) to release background images with a license compatible with those channels. -- nicu Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From foolish at guezz.net Thu Dec 14 10:02:01 2006 From: foolish at guezz.net (Sindre Pedersen Bjordal) Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2006 11:02:01 +0100 Subject: Diana Fongs ICF artwork In-Reply-To: <4581178F.1060104@nicubunu.ro> References: <1166072714.7004.10.camel@localhost.localdomain> <4581178F.1060104@nicubunu.ro> Message-ID: <1166090521.15268.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> tor, 14.12.2006 kl. 11.21 +0200, skrev Nicu Buculei: > I do not think we want to include a lot of photographic backgrounds > inside the distro anyway. I sure would like to package the wallpapers up in a rpm and maintain it for Fedora Extras. > This is entirely her original work, so I expect Diana may relicense it > at will, you have only to persuade her hard enough. > > If I would take I wild guess, I would suggest making background channels > (http://www.gnome.org/~clarkbw/blog/GNOME/background_channels) work, > this certainly will convince a lot of people (maybe even Diana) to > release background images with a license compatible with those channels. Thanks, I'll look into this. From duffy at redhat.com Thu Dec 14 15:21:14 2006 From: duffy at redhat.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?M=E1ir=EDn_Duffy?=) Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2006 10:21:14 -0500 Subject: Diana Fongs ICF artwork In-Reply-To: <4581178F.1060104@nicubunu.ro> References: <1166072714.7004.10.camel@localhost.localdomain> <4581178F.1060104@nicubunu.ro> Message-ID: <45816BEA.8060006@redhat.com> Nicu Buculei wrote: > If I would take I wild guess, I would suggest making background channels > (http://www.gnome.org/~clarkbw/blog/GNOME/background_channels) work, > this certainly will convince a lot of people (maybe even Diana) to > release background images with a license compatible with those channels. At the last GNOME Boston summit there was a group of folks that announced they were working on a project very similar to background channels, and for the life of me I can't remember the name of it. I'll ask around and see if I can find some more details. I passed Bryan's background channels writeup along to them though and they seemed very interested in it. ~m From david at fubar.dk Thu Dec 14 16:49:30 2006 From: david at fubar.dk (David Zeuthen) Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2006 11:49:30 -0500 Subject: Fedora Release Graphics Specs In-Reply-To: <457B2826.6010501@redhat.com> References: <457B2826.6010501@redhat.com> Message-ID: <4581809A.8000100@fubar.dk> Hi, It would be good to consider a GDM theme that work with a face browser [1] as fast-user-switching is on the radar for Fedora 7 including thoughts of a patch to enable face browsing by default if, and only if, there is less than say, five non-system users available. Also, we should probably consider if enabling accessible login [2] has any implications for the artwork. I'd suspect that Insert+S might be used to bring up the screen reader for example. Perhaps that could be hinted in the artwork. Or maybe not. Something to consider. Also, for live CD I'm considering booting the live CD into gdm such that o The user can choose his language and keyboard layout there (right now only the language can be used) o The user can enable Assistive Technologies such as - screen reader (orca) - magnifier - on screen keyboard by using what gdm calls "gestures" but am not entirely sure about this yet. Perhaps the live CD thus deserves it's own special login screen that users icons rather than text as we don't know the users language ahead of time. Thoughts? As a closing point it might be interesting to consider GL Bling too, see e.g. some plans Ubuntu has https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FaceBrowserLogin David [1] : http://mybox.ro/blog/wp-content/gdm-BlackHumanList-screenshot.png [2] : http://www.gnome.org/learn/access-guide/latest/sysadmin-27.html From duffy at redhat.com Thu Dec 14 17:28:21 2006 From: duffy at redhat.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?M=E1ir=EDn_Duffy?=) Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2006 12:28:21 -0500 Subject: Fedora Release Graphics Specs In-Reply-To: <4581809A.8000100@fubar.dk> References: <457B2826.6010501@redhat.com> <4581809A.8000100@fubar.dk> Message-ID: <458189B5.8090807@redhat.com> David Zeuthen wrote: > It would be good to consider a GDM theme that work with a face browser > [1] as fast-user-switching is on the radar for Fedora 7 including > thoughts of a patch to enable face browsing by default if, and only if, > there is less than say, five non-system users available. That would be cool. > Also, we should probably consider if enabling accessible login [2] has > any implications for the artwork. I'd suspect that Insert+S might be > used to bring up the screen reader for example. Perhaps that could be > hinted in the artwork. Or maybe not. Something to consider. Yeh I talked to Brian Cameron about this and our GDM themes in the past have had quite a few accessibility issues in his opinion - I have an idea of the stuff he suggested we need; I will have to sit down, write it up, and run it by him. > Also, for live CD I'm considering booting the live CD into gdm such that > > o The user can choose his language and keyboard layout there > (right now only the language can be used) > > o The user can enable Assistive Technologies such as > > - screen reader (orca) > - magnifier > - on screen keyboard > > by using what gdm calls "gestures" > > but am not entirely sure about this yet. Perhaps the live CD thus > deserves it's own special login screen that users icons rather than text > as we don't know the users language ahead of time. Thoughts? Sounds like an interesting problem. You might be ok as long as the language selection widget was really obvious with a really clear icon. > As a closing point it might be interesting to consider GL Bling too, see > e.g. some plans Ubuntu has > > https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FaceBrowserLogin Pretty nice. The username/pass fields on the screen at the same time wouldn't work though, right? ~m From david at fubar.dk Thu Dec 14 18:29:03 2006 From: david at fubar.dk (David Zeuthen) Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2006 13:29:03 -0500 Subject: Fedora Release Graphics Specs In-Reply-To: <458189B5.8090807@redhat.com> References: <457B2826.6010501@redhat.com> <4581809A.8000100@fubar.dk> <458189B5.8090807@redhat.com> Message-ID: <458197EF.4030808@fubar.dk> M?ir?n Duffy wrote: >> As a closing point it might be interesting to consider GL Bling too, >> see e.g. some plans Ubuntu has >> >> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FaceBrowserLogin > > Pretty nice. The username/pass fields on the screen at the same time > wouldn't work though, right? Probably not; ideally the password field fades or slides in when it's needed (e.g. not needed on live cd). Will probably require core gdm changes since I'm not sure it can be done in the theme itself. Probably Ray knows, would be awesome if we could do this without major gdm surgery. I haven't looked at that code myself. Definitely worth looking into. David From baerjj at gmail.com Thu Dec 14 22:21:37 2006 From: baerjj at gmail.com (John Baer) Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2006 17:21:37 -0500 Subject: RHGB Help In-Reply-To: <20061214100213.1035C732D9@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20061214100213.1035C732D9@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1166134897.3367.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> Diana, Thanks for the followup. For now I suggest we stay with the current technology and challenge our imaginations to come up with something that works. :) John On Thu, 2006-12-14 at 05:02 -0500, Diana wrote: > John, I forwarded your question to my desktop team lead for technical > input and here's what I got... > > mclasen: In general, it is possible to change the way rhgb handles > the > images, > mclasen: but it means patching the rhgb source code. > mclasen: That is certainly more likely to happen if theme proposals > are > accompanied by a suitable rhgb patch... > > My general advice, therefore, would be to creatively design within > the > specifications designated by the current rhgb source code. However, > if > you feel strongly about your design (12/12) and have the programming > ability...alternate image styles are definitely possible. From duffy at redhat.com Thu Dec 14 22:24:20 2006 From: duffy at redhat.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?M=E1ir=EDn_Duffy?=) Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2006 17:24:20 -0500 Subject: RHGB Help In-Reply-To: <1166134897.3367.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <20061214100213.1035C732D9@hormel.redhat.com> <1166134897.3367.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <4581CF14.6060300@redhat.com> Hi John, John Baer wrote: > Diana, > > Thanks for the followup. For now I suggest we stay with the current > technology and challenge our imaginations to come up with something that > works. In case you missed it I had a few recommends here to that end: https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-art-list/2006-December/msg00116.html making the two colors the same and having a really nice image i think would go a long way in making it look nice, and different than it has looked in the past. ~m From mikechalmers70 at gmail.com Thu Dec 14 23:02:53 2006 From: mikechalmers70 at gmail.com (Mike Chalmers) Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2006 18:02:53 -0500 Subject: more natural colors In-Reply-To: <457F1F10.3090604@redhat.com> References: <148c52290612101448g56c3f3a8tfd9af7aec52b27c2@mail.gmail.com> <457CF8CF.6040804@thefinalzone.com> <148c52290612102235x6eabc9acu336459b511edf3d8@mail.gmail.com> <148c52290612110948o36cfaeb4w510aca450ad25d08@mail.gmail.com> <9c3bfa1d0612120841p67979970h3ceed3ec7df242a@mail.gmail.com> <457EDD79.7000203@redhat.com> <148c52290612121301h47431aacs1afa1ff3f69bb9a9@mail.gmail.com> <457F1F10.3090604@redhat.com> Message-ID: <148c52290612141502g37d3ec7bvd929a0be827faa0c@mail.gmail.com> On 12/12/06, M?ir?n Duffy wrote: > Hi Mike, > > > On 12/12/06, M?ir?n Duffy wrote: > >> I think a lot of the themes we've got proposed have natural-looking > >> palettes - a lot are focused on the night sky, with various shades of > >> light and deep blue. > > Mike Chalmers wrote: > > The colors I speak of, are natural colors of pure life, trees and > > grass and earth. Not fire, metallic water, futuristic technological > > designs, lustful colors, metallic trees, stuff like that. Red Hat is > > definitely unnatural colors as is Fedora. I think if we think about it > > we can realize that, especially as artist. > > > > Things like blue metallic water, for example, compared to regular blue > > water is incomparable. Or metallic silver trees compared to green leaf > > trees or leaves in the fall. > > How about the blue night skies in some of our FC7 mockups? > > > There is no way you can say the Red Hat's colors are natural if you > > think about it. You can't just name any color and say it is natural > > because it looks like red on trees. There is a big difference. > > I'm not really following. I don't think it's fair to say the color red > is unnatural in all cases so hopefully I am misunderstanding you there? > > Certainly you can talk about a color's treatment in the context of a > color palette or its usage in a piece of artwork as being unnatural or > not. Even if you restate it in that way, however, I would still argue > Red Hat's treatment of the color red is certainly not predominantly > 'unnatural'. Other words come to mind ('bold' since it's bright and > attention-grabbing, 'different' as most tech companies go silver or > blue) but I really can't say 'unnatural' comes to mind. Not that RH's > graphic design is something we really have any say over in the Fedora > art team :) > > I think you may be on to some helpful critique here that we could apply > to our FC7 artwork. To make an effective case here, however, and provide > us with more useful feedback you really need to cite specific examples > and qualify some of the statements you are making as they come across as > somewhat vague to me. E.g., *which* Fedora artwork looks 'unnatural' to > you? (provide links to screenshots or mockups) Why exactly? What parts > of each piece communicate 'unnatural' to you? > > > Fedora's colors remind me of the movies The Matrix. > > > > I am not knocking Fedora, I love it. It just hurts me that the colors > > aren't used to a more natural earthy approach. > > Mike, I think I'm understanding you a bit more but I wish you could > provide more specific feedback. :) > > What about the theme mockups I cited doesn't come across as natural to > you? I'm really confused: > > [1] > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fc7ThemeProposalFlyingHighPOC?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=wallpaper-moonlight2.png > > [2] > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fc7ThemeProposalFlyingHighPOC?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=flyinghigh-moonlight.png > > [3] > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fc7ThemeProposalFedoraBorealis?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=fc7themeproposal-fedoraborealis-night2.png > > Do you think any of these appears unnatural? Why, specifically? It can't > just be the colors - there's a lot more that gives a piece of artwork > its feel than the specific colors in it, you know? What does each one > remind you of that isn't unnatural? Why? > > Blue is a color that appears quite often in nature. If you would like to > see themes that use a particular palette you like (you mention grass and > earth a lot - green and brown - rather than the sky which is in fact > blue when we are lucky :) ) then there's certainly nothing stopping you > from taking some of the proposals we have on the table right now and > experimenting with different color palettes in them. But I don't really > think it's quite accurate to sweepingly judge all Fedora (and Red Hat > for that matter) artwork as 'unnatural' based on the names of the colors > involved rather than the treatment of the colors in them. Like I said > above, it would be more fair to cite specific examples. > > While the Fedora logo's colors won't be changing anytime soon, we can > most certainly investigate non-blue options as far as the color palette > for the theme artwork goes. > > ~m > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list > I wrote down a list of some things to say but decided since I am not an artist I will not say them. I am just going to ramble a little bit.:-) I think that things like this are a start, http://www.gnome-look.org/content/show.php?content=31128 . I am not an artist so I will have to leave the colors and stuff to y'all. Yes M?ir?n, that mockup does come across natural to me. I think that a lot can be done with natural visual effects, too. Now that is something to look into. Things that remind you of nature which is life, which must be taken with great care and love. The glass icon theme has some kind of visual effect with the grass behind some of the icons. That is a somewhat natural effect. It kind of reminds me of mist, which is in nature. I just like things that are real, and not synthetic, as David said. In my opinion nature has a very calming sense to it, which Beethoven said. Beethoven wrote an entire symphony based on nature! Wood is an amazing thing, in my opinion. The colors that you can get from it are simply put miraculous. Colors of grass, trees, tree leaves, fall, earth, dirt, blue water, clear water, green water, lakes, oceans, things on other planets, are all miraculous, peaceful, and real. The problem with technology is some people associate as being unnatural, which it doesn't have to be looked at that way. Sure the components are not like nature but that doesn't mean that the things on the display don't have to be. Technology is an amazing thing. They make a lot of games and movies unnatural. Which is not good for people's minds. Although there are a lot of games that are natural, don't get me wrong. Here is what I consider a natural game, http://www.paradise-game-us.com/ . There are just a lot of natural and unhealthy things out there. +1 for natural Kind Regards, Preston From baerjj at gmail.com Fri Dec 15 02:45:55 2006 From: baerjj at gmail.com (John Baer) Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2006 21:45:55 -0500 Subject: [FC7 theme proposal] Flying High with Fedora 7 - Round 2 Message-ID: <1166150755.4333.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> All, Added my first attempt at a RHGB screen to the whiteboard wiki page. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/FC7Themes/Fc7ThemeProposalFlyingHighRound2 A thought I am exploring is having the balloon dotted with the grub screen, outlined at the RHGB screen, something more at login, and fully developed at the wallpaper screen. Sort of a progression of the boot sequence. Cheers, John From dfong at redhat.com Fri Dec 15 16:12:07 2006 From: dfong at redhat.com (Diana Fong) Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2006 11:12:07 -0500 Subject: GTK2 Roundabout In-Reply-To: <457FC4F5.9070202@redhat.com> References: <20061213035917.5f3ad3f4@hydra.cimi.homelinux.net> <1165998827.457fbaeb5ff0d@ssl.mecca.ca> <457FC4F5.9070202@redhat.com> Message-ID: <4582C957.400@redhat.com> Diana Fong wrote: > Luya Tshimbalanga wrote: >> Quoting Andrea Cimitan : >> >> >>> Next version of Murrine is ready to be released (almost) with all >>> bugfixes provided in the mailing lists (thx to all). >>> >>> Now the problem is "which colors"? >>> >> >> >> Refer to this guideline on >> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/EchoIconGuidelines >> > > Please note...I just recently started this page...it is very much > still a work in progress so please take this into consideration when > viewing. I was going to announce its existence in a few days when > I've completed it. However, thanks to Ben Arnold the color section is > mostly complete...I only have a few modifications I'd like to make in > the "Gray" color section. I shall update fedora-art-list once the > modifications have been made. > > Ben did a great job in defining the key colors. The colors listed > here were originally posted by him at > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/BenArnold/EchoColours. Just wanted to follow-up that the "Colors" section of http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/EchoIconGuidelines is at a usable state...I've added the 4 additional grays (named Metallic) that play a big part in defining Echo's look and feel. Once again, thank you Ben for compiling the colors. Diana --- Red Hat Visual Designer | Desktop Group From baerjj at gmail.com Fri Dec 15 17:44:39 2006 From: baerjj at gmail.com (John Baer) Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2006 12:44:39 -0500 Subject: [FC7 theme proposal] Flying High with Fedora 7 - Round 2 In-Reply-To: <20061215170006.31F3873409@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20061215170006.31F3873409@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1166204679.10671.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> All, If you haven't checked out the white board recently there are many excellent submissions posted. I love the Anaconda screen! Nice work everyone... John From cimi86 at alice.it Fri Dec 15 19:35:55 2006 From: cimi86 at alice.it (Andrea Cimitan) Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2006 20:35:55 +0100 Subject: GTK2 Roundabout In-Reply-To: <4582C957.400@redhat.com> References: <20061213035917.5f3ad3f4@hydra.cimi.homelinux.net> <1165998827.457fbaeb5ff0d@ssl.mecca.ca> <457FC4F5.9070202@redhat.com> <4582C957.400@redhat.com> Message-ID: <20061215203555.3f455aae@hydra.cimi.homelinux.net> Il giorno Fri, 15 Dec 2006 11:12:07 -0500 Diana Fong ha scritto: > Diana Fong wrote: > > Luya Tshimbalanga wrote: > >> Quoting Andrea Cimitan : > >> > >> > >>> Next version of Murrine is ready to be released (almost) with all > >>> bugfixes provided in the mailing lists (thx to all). > >>> > >>> Now the problem is "which colors"? > >>> > >> > >> > >> Refer to this guideline on > >> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/EchoIconGuidelines > >> > > > > Please note...I just recently started this page...it is very much > > still a work in progress so please take this into consideration > > when viewing. I was going to announce its existence in a few days > > when I've completed it. However, thanks to Ben Arnold the color > > section is mostly complete...I only have a few modifications I'd > > like to make in the "Gray" color section. I shall update > > fedora-art-list once the modifications have been made. > > > > Ben did a great job in defining the key colors. The colors listed > > here were originally posted by him at > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/BenArnold/EchoColours. > > Just wanted to follow-up that the "Colors" section of > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/EchoIconGuidelines is at a > usable state...I've added the 4 additional grays (named Metallic) > that play a big part in defining Echo's look and feel. > > Once again, thank you Ben for compiling the colors. > > Diana > --- > Red Hat > Visual Designer | Desktop Group > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list The "Echo" colors are absolutely bad for a gtk2 theme... IMHO. -- Cimi - Andrea Cimitan http://cimi.netsons.org From sdl.web at gmail.com Fri Dec 15 20:13:48 2006 From: sdl.web at gmail.com (Leo) Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2006 20:13:48 +0000 Subject: GTK2 Roundabout References: <20061213035917.5f3ad3f4@hydra.cimi.homelinux.net> <1165998827.457fbaeb5ff0d@ssl.mecca.ca> <457FC4F5.9070202@redhat.com> <4582C957.400@redhat.com> <20061215203555.3f455aae@hydra.cimi.homelinux.net> Message-ID: * Andrea Cimitan (2006-12-13 02:59 nil) said: ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > I am thinking on a theme similar to Suse's Gilouche, but obviusly with > different colorscheme. Gilouche is easy on the eyes and users can use > it for month without being annoyed by it. > > Ideas, suggestions? I have been using MurrinaGilouche for quite sometime. I like the theme because it looks clean, all fonts are very clear and very easy on my eyes. Some other Murrine themes are nice but my eyes get tired after a short time. I put this the first priority when choosing a theme. You might want to chat with Andy Fitz. I learned from M?ir?n Duffy: ,----[ http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.linux.redhat.fedora.artwork/662 ] | I think for gtk2 we are probably going to stick with | Clearlooks. Clearlooks is getting some features that give it the | glossiness Murrine has, and it's also the GNOME upstream theming | engine. Andy Fitzsimon put together a Murrine theme that has very | very nice Fedora colors, and I think he's working on porting it to | Clearlooks. `---- * Andrea Cimitan (2006-12-15 20:35 +0100) said: ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ [...] >> Just wanted to follow-up that the "Colors" section of >> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/EchoIconGuidelines is at a >> usable state...I've added the 4 additional grays (named Metallic) >> that play a big part in defining Echo's look and feel. >> >> Once again, thank you Ben for compiling the colors. > The "Echo" colors are absolutely bad for a gtk2 theme... IMHO. GTK theme looks to me does not require many colors, so you can be as creative as you like, as long as the theme fits in. -- Leo (GPG Key: 9283AA3F) From mikechalmers70 at gmail.com Mon Dec 18 13:16:29 2006 From: mikechalmers70 at gmail.com (Mike Chalmers) Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2006 08:16:29 -0500 Subject: more natural colors In-Reply-To: <148c52290612141502g37d3ec7bvd929a0be827faa0c@mail.gmail.com> References: <148c52290612101448g56c3f3a8tfd9af7aec52b27c2@mail.gmail.com> <457CF8CF.6040804@thefinalzone.com> <148c52290612102235x6eabc9acu336459b511edf3d8@mail.gmail.com> <148c52290612110948o36cfaeb4w510aca450ad25d08@mail.gmail.com> <9c3bfa1d0612120841p67979970h3ceed3ec7df242a@mail.gmail.com> <457EDD79.7000203@redhat.com> <148c52290612121301h47431aacs1afa1ff3f69bb9a9@mail.gmail.com> <457F1F10.3090604@redhat.com> <148c52290612141502g37d3ec7bvd929a0be827faa0c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <148c52290612180516y5ce508f0j915d63a5813ff76b@mail.gmail.com> On 12/14/06, Mike Chalmers wrote: > On 12/12/06, M?ir?n Duffy wrote: > > Hi Mike, > > > > > On 12/12/06, M?ir?n Duffy wrote: > > >> I think a lot of the themes we've got proposed have natural-looking > > >> palettes - a lot are focused on the night sky, with various shades of > > >> light and deep blue. > > > > Mike Chalmers wrote: > > > The colors I speak of, are natural colors of pure life, trees and > > > grass and earth. Not fire, metallic water, futuristic technological > > > designs, lustful colors, metallic trees, stuff like that. Red Hat is > > > definitely unnatural colors as is Fedora. I think if we think about it > > > we can realize that, especially as artist. > > > > > > Things like blue metallic water, for example, compared to regular blue > > > water is incomparable. Or metallic silver trees compared to green leaf > > > trees or leaves in the fall. > > > > How about the blue night skies in some of our FC7 mockups? > > > > > There is no way you can say the Red Hat's colors are natural if you > > > think about it. You can't just name any color and say it is natural > > > because it looks like red on trees. There is a big difference. > > > > I'm not really following. I don't think it's fair to say the color red > > is unnatural in all cases so hopefully I am misunderstanding you there? > > > > Certainly you can talk about a color's treatment in the context of a > > color palette or its usage in a piece of artwork as being unnatural or > > not. Even if you restate it in that way, however, I would still argue > > Red Hat's treatment of the color red is certainly not predominantly > > 'unnatural'. Other words come to mind ('bold' since it's bright and > > attention-grabbing, 'different' as most tech companies go silver or > > blue) but I really can't say 'unnatural' comes to mind. Not that RH's > > graphic design is something we really have any say over in the Fedora > > art team :) > > > > I think you may be on to some helpful critique here that we could apply > > to our FC7 artwork. To make an effective case here, however, and provide > > us with more useful feedback you really need to cite specific examples > > and qualify some of the statements you are making as they come across as > > somewhat vague to me. E.g., *which* Fedora artwork looks 'unnatural' to > > you? (provide links to screenshots or mockups) Why exactly? What parts > > of each piece communicate 'unnatural' to you? > > > > > Fedora's colors remind me of the movies The Matrix. > > > > > > I am not knocking Fedora, I love it. It just hurts me that the colors > > > aren't used to a more natural earthy approach. > > > > Mike, I think I'm understanding you a bit more but I wish you could > > provide more specific feedback. :) > > > > What about the theme mockups I cited doesn't come across as natural to > > you? I'm really confused: > > > > [1] > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fc7ThemeProposalFlyingHighPOC?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=wallpaper-moonlight2.png > > > > [2] > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fc7ThemeProposalFlyingHighPOC?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=flyinghigh-moonlight.png > > > > [3] > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fc7ThemeProposalFedoraBorealis?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=fc7themeproposal-fedoraborealis-night2.png > > > > Do you think any of these appears unnatural? Why, specifically? It can't > > just be the colors - there's a lot more that gives a piece of artwork > > its feel than the specific colors in it, you know? What does each one > > remind you of that isn't unnatural? Why? > > > > Blue is a color that appears quite often in nature. If you would like to > > see themes that use a particular palette you like (you mention grass and > > earth a lot - green and brown - rather than the sky which is in fact > > blue when we are lucky :) ) then there's certainly nothing stopping you > > from taking some of the proposals we have on the table right now and > > experimenting with different color palettes in them. But I don't really > > think it's quite accurate to sweepingly judge all Fedora (and Red Hat > > for that matter) artwork as 'unnatural' based on the names of the colors > > involved rather than the treatment of the colors in them. Like I said > > above, it would be more fair to cite specific examples. > > > > While the Fedora logo's colors won't be changing anytime soon, we can > > most certainly investigate non-blue options as far as the color palette > > for the theme artwork goes. > > > > ~m > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Fedora-art-list mailing list > > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list > > > > I wrote down a list of some things to say but decided since I am not > an artist I will not say them. I am just going to ramble a little > bit.:-) > > I think that things like this are a start, > http://www.gnome-look.org/content/show.php?content=31128 . I am not an > artist so I will have to leave the colors and stuff to y'all. Yes > M?ir?n, that mockup does come across natural to me. I think that a lot > can be done with natural visual effects, too. Now that is something to > look into. > > Things that remind you of nature which is life, which must be taken > with great care and love. The glass icon theme has some kind of visual > effect with the grass behind some of the icons. That is a somewhat > natural effect. It kind of reminds me of mist, which is in nature. > > I just like things that are real, and not synthetic, as David said. In > my opinion nature has a very calming sense to it, which Beethoven > said. Beethoven wrote an entire symphony based on nature! > > Wood is an amazing thing, in my opinion. The colors that you can get > from it are simply put miraculous. Colors of grass, trees, tree > leaves, fall, earth, dirt, blue water, clear water, green water, > lakes, oceans, things on other planets, are all miraculous, peaceful, > and real. > > The problem with technology is some people associate as being > unnatural, which it doesn't have to be looked at that way. Sure the > components are not like nature but that doesn't mean that the things > on the display don't have to be. Technology is an amazing thing. They > make a lot of games and movies unnatural. Which is not good for > people's minds. Although there are a lot of games that are natural, > don't get me wrong. Here is what I consider a natural game, > http://www.paradise-game-us.com/ . > > There are just a lot of natural and unhealthy things out there. > > +1 for natural > > Kind Regards, > Preston > I should also say that good nature can be a very clean thing. From baerjj at gmail.com Mon Dec 18 16:34:29 2006 From: baerjj at gmail.com (John Baer) Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2006 11:34:29 -0500 Subject: [FC7 theme proposal] Flying High with Fedora 7 - Round 2 Message-ID: <1166459669.11117.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> All, Posted some additional artwork submissions to the round 2 page. Just for fun I made an Open Office and Gimp splash screen. Cheers, John BTW, if anyone would like these I can post images with an install script. From sankarshan.mukhopadhyay at gmail.com Tue Dec 19 06:18:20 2006 From: sankarshan.mukhopadhyay at gmail.com (Sankarshan Mukhopadhyay) Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2006 11:48:20 +0530 Subject: Art Team FC7 Progress So Far - Community Feedback In-Reply-To: <4580B906.8010404@redhat.com> References: <4580B906.8010404@redhat.com> Message-ID: <4587842C.9010503@gmail.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 M?ir?n Duffy wrote: > - "Why are Fedora themes so dark? I'll like to see shinning themes, > bright themes, not obscure or nightly! Dark backgrounds make dificult to > be seen with detail on some older monitors, for instance. They look to > dark-blue almost-black." This is by far the most common response whenever there is a new release and a set of backgrounds. Is it possible to have a dash of color ? Light, pastel colors that might go well with a cheerful aspect of FC ? - -- You see things; and you say 'Why?'; But I dream things that never were; and I say 'Why not?' - George Bernard Shaw -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFFh4QsXQZpNTcrCzMRAktiAKCSS5+IvdGNGlEXaVBSL7Q0Rpkn6gCfSUX7 /0b6FjocAXVHaUeEiFMt/VY= =tY1T -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Tue Dec 19 06:56:45 2006 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2006 08:56:45 +0200 Subject: [FC7 theme proposal] Flying High with Fedora 7 - Round 2 In-Reply-To: <1166459669.11117.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1166459669.11117.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <45878D2D.5060805@nicubunu.ro> John Baer wrote: > > Posted some additional artwork submissions to the round 2 page. > > Just for fun I made an Open Office and Gimp splash screen. Question: do we want customized splash screens for such applications? - the splash for OpenOffice.org was customized for a while (around FC2-FC3) in the Bluecurve style.; - the GIMP splash was never (AFAIK) customized in RHL/Fedora; - in the current FC6 the Eclipse splash is customized ("Fedora Eclipse") but is not related at all to the rest of the desktop theming. -- nicu Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Tue Dec 19 07:09:09 2006 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2006 09:09:09 +0200 Subject: Art Team FC7 Progress So Far - Community Feedback In-Reply-To: <4587842C.9010503@gmail.com> References: <4580B906.8010404@redhat.com> <4587842C.9010503@gmail.com> Message-ID: <45879015.3030500@nicubunu.ro> Sankarshan Mukhopadhyay wrote: > M?ir?n Duffy wrote: > >> - "Why are Fedora themes so dark? I'll like to see shinning themes, >> bright themes, not obscure or nightly! Dark backgrounds make dificult to >> be seen with detail on some older monitors, for instance. They look to >> dark-blue almost-black." > > This is by far the most common response whenever there is a new release > and a set of backgrounds. Is it possible to have a dash of color ? > Light, pastel colors that might go well with a cheerful aspect of FC ? The initial form of Borealis (http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fc7ThemeProposalFedoraBorealis) was very light. After some feedback from us, Mairin made a few darker variations, but the original one is still available and the most visible. Maybe this is what we are: a bunch of death metal goths worshiping darkness and Satan in a futuristic environment: https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-art-list/2006-September/msg00096.html -- nicu Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From gabriel.hurley at gmail.com Tue Dec 19 14:26:51 2006 From: gabriel.hurley at gmail.com (Gabriel Hurley) Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2006 14:26:51 +0000 Subject: Art Team FC7 Progress So Far - Community Feedback In-Reply-To: <45879015.3030500@nicubunu.ro> References: <4580B906.8010404@redhat.com> <4587842C.9010503@gmail.com> <45879015.3030500@nicubunu.ro> Message-ID: <395ebc340612190626q4e6bb690o54a1e407b434ce2b@mail.gmail.com> I liked the brightness of the Bubbly theme in FC5. It went well with the icons and was visually pleasing. Gabriel On 12/19/06, Nicu Buculei wrote: > > Sankarshan Mukhopadhyay wrote: > > M?ir?n Duffy wrote: > > > >> - "Why are Fedora themes so dark? I'll like to see shinning themes, > >> bright themes, not obscure or nightly! Dark backgrounds make dificult > to > >> be seen with detail on some older monitors, for instance. They look to > >> dark-blue almost-black." > > > > This is by far the most common response whenever there is a new release > > and a set of backgrounds. Is it possible to have a dash of color ? > > Light, pastel colors that might go well with a cheerful aspect of FC ? > > The initial form of Borealis > (http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fc7ThemeProposalFedoraBorealis) was very > light. After some feedback from us, Mairin made a few darker variations, > but the original one is still available and the most visible. > > Maybe this is what we are: a bunch of death metal goths worshiping > darkness and Satan in a futuristic environment: > > https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-art-list/2006-September/msg00096.html > > > -- > nicu > Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ > Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org > my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Tue Dec 19 15:34:13 2006 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2006 17:34:13 +0200 Subject: Art Team FC7 Progress So Far - Community Feedback In-Reply-To: <395ebc340612190626q4e6bb690o54a1e407b434ce2b@mail.gmail.com> References: <4580B906.8010404@redhat.com> <4587842C.9010503@gmail.com> <45879015.3030500@nicubunu.ro> <395ebc340612190626q4e6bb690o54a1e407b434ce2b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <45880675.6010703@nicubunu.ro> Gabriel Hurley wrote: > I liked the brightness of the Bubbly theme in FC5. It went well with the > icons and was visually pleasing. Then have a look at the current stage of candidates for FC7 and add some constructive comments: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/FC7Themes Improvements of the proposed graphics are appreciated. -- nicu Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From david at fubar.dk Tue Dec 19 17:07:22 2006 From: david at fubar.dk (David Zeuthen) Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2006 12:07:22 -0500 Subject: [FC7 theme proposal] Flying High with Fedora 7 - Round 2 In-Reply-To: <45878D2D.5060805@nicubunu.ro> References: <1166459669.11117.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> <45878D2D.5060805@nicubunu.ro> Message-ID: <1166548042.2597.8.camel@zelda.fubar.dk> On Tue, 2006-12-19 at 08:56 +0200, Nicu Buculei wrote: > John Baer wrote: > > > > Posted some additional artwork submissions to the round 2 page. > > > > Just for fun I made an Open Office and Gimp splash screen. > > Question: do we want customized splash screens for such applications? > - the splash for OpenOffice.org was customized for a while (around > FC2-FC3) in the Bluecurve style.; > - the GIMP splash was never (AFAIK) customized in RHL/Fedora; > - in the current FC6 the Eclipse splash is customized ("Fedora Eclipse") > but is not related at all to the rest of the desktop theming. I think we should avoid theming splash screens because a) splash screens are generally not themeable; hence a1) extra work for package owners for patching it in - including all the work communicating with said maintainers; and a2) splash screen don't respect the theme; e.g. the splash screen used is hard-wired and don't change if you change the theme. a3) Thus, I can't go and create a davidz-artwork RPM package and expect the splash screen I've made for e.g. OO.o to just magically be used. b) some applications take pride in their splash screen and branding it might be considered offensive. For example this applies to The Gimp where there's, IIRC, a competition for splash screens c) many developers (including most people working on Fedora) generally consider splash screens to be bad; instead applications should just start up really fast. That said, at least Banshee gained a splash screen some time ago d) splash screens are only shown for 1) a short time (if at all); and 2) only when launching specific apps; so, at least to the cost/benefit of doing splash screens isn't really justified Hope this clarifies, otherwise just ask! Thanks! David From cimi86 at alice.it Tue Dec 19 19:15:50 2006 From: cimi86 at alice.it (Andrea Cimitan) Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2006 20:15:50 +0100 Subject: GTK2 Roundabout In-Reply-To: References: <20061213035917.5f3ad3f4@hydra.cimi.homelinux.net> <1165998827.457fbaeb5ff0d@ssl.mecca.ca> <457FC4F5.9070202@redhat.com> <4582C957.400@redhat.com> <20061215203555.3f455aae@hydra.cimi.homelinux.net> Message-ID: <20061219201550.54aa8937@hydra.cimi.homelinux.net> Il giorno Fri, 15 Dec 2006 20:13:48 +0000 Leo ha scritto: > > * Andrea Cimitan (2006-12-13 02:59 nil) said: > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > > I am thinking on a theme similar to Suse's Gilouche, but obviusly > > with different colorscheme. Gilouche is easy on the eyes and users > > can use it for month without being annoyed by it. > > > > Ideas, suggestions? > > I have been using MurrinaGilouche for quite sometime. I like the theme > because it looks clean, all fonts are very clear and very easy on my > eyes. Some other Murrine themes are nice but my eyes get tired after a > short time. I put this the first priority when choosing a theme. > > You might want to chat with Andy Fitz. I learned from M?ir?n Duffy: > > ,----[ http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.linux.redhat.fedora.artwork/662 ] > | I think for gtk2 we are probably going to stick with > | Clearlooks. Clearlooks is getting some features that give it the > | glossiness Murrine has, and it's also the GNOME upstream theming > | engine. Andy Fitzsimon put together a Murrine theme that has very > | very nice Fedora colors, and I think he's working on porting it to > | Clearlooks. > `---- > Ok we can stick to clearlooks and get glossiness and ugliness of it. > * Andrea Cimitan (2006-12-15 20:35 +0100) said: > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > [...] > >> Just wanted to follow-up that the "Colors" section of > >> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/EchoIconGuidelines is at a > >> usable state...I've added the 4 additional grays (named Metallic) > >> that play a big part in defining Echo's look and feel. > >> > >> Once again, thank you Ben for compiling the colors. > > > The "Echo" colors are absolutely bad for a gtk2 theme... IMHO. > > GTK theme looks to me does not require many colors, so you can be as > creative as you like, as long as the theme fits in. > Try those colors... here they are looking very very bad in a gtk2 theme. -- Cimi - Andrea Cimitan http://cimi.netsons.org From sdl.web at gmail.com Tue Dec 19 19:44:49 2006 From: sdl.web at gmail.com (Leo) Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2006 19:44:49 +0000 Subject: GTK2 Roundabout References: <20061213035917.5f3ad3f4@hydra.cimi.homelinux.net> <1165998827.457fbaeb5ff0d@ssl.mecca.ca> <457FC4F5.9070202@redhat.com> <4582C957.400@redhat.com> <20061215203555.3f455aae@hydra.cimi.homelinux.net> <20061219201550.54aa8937@hydra.cimi.homelinux.net> Message-ID: * Andrea Cimitan (2006-12-19 20:15 +0100) said: ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > Ok we can stick to clearlooks and get glossiness and ugliness of it. I actually would like to see murrine-engine to replace clearlooks. Anyway, murrine is being admitted to Fedora and will be accessible to a huge number of people. It will always good to have a Fedora style theme in it. -- Leo (GPG Key: 9283AA3F) From baerjj at gmail.com Tue Dec 19 23:14:08 2006 From: baerjj at gmail.com (John Baer) Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2006 18:14:08 -0500 Subject: [FC7 theme proposal] Flying High with Fedora 7 - Round 2 In-Reply-To: <20061219170005.AE53B73496@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20061219170005.AE53B73496@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1166570048.3191.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> Nicu Buculei wrote: > Question: do we want customized splash screens for such applications? > - the splash for OpenOffice.org was customized for a while (around > FC2-FC3) in the Bluecurve style.; > - the GIMP splash was never (AFAIK) customized in RHL/Fedora; > - in the current FC6 the Eclipse splash is customized ("Fedora > Eclipse") > but is not related at all to the rest of the desktop theming. > Nicu, I do not the answer to that question but based on what other distro's are doing it appears theme-ing these two splash screen is common. I would say why not if we have the time. I've installed them on my system and IMO they provide a nice touch. Cheers, John From baerjj at gmail.com Tue Dec 19 23:19:57 2006 From: baerjj at gmail.com (John Baer) Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2006 18:19:57 -0500 Subject: Art Team FC7 Progress So Far - Community Feedback In-Reply-To: <20061219170005.AE53B73496@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20061219170005.AE53B73496@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1166570397.3191.10.camel@localhost.localdomain> Mirn Duffy wrote: > > - "Why are Fedora themes so dark? I'll like to see shinning themes, > > bright themes, not obscure or nightly! Dark backgrounds make > dificult to > > be seen with detail on some older monitors, for instance. They look > to > > dark-blue almost-black." > > This is by far the most common response whenever there is a new > release > and a set of backgrounds. Is it possible to have a dash of color ? > Light, pastel colors that might go well with a cheerful aspect of FC ? > I do not understand the issue? IMO the flying high theme is not dark and does present a light and cheerful FC. IMO the blue background used by the RHGB program is rich and displays well. Are there other choices we should be considering? John From baerjj at gmail.com Tue Dec 19 23:26:43 2006 From: baerjj at gmail.com (John Baer) Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2006 18:26:43 -0500 Subject: Art Team FC7 Progress So Far - Community Feedback Message-ID: <1166570803.3191.17.camel@localhost.localdomain> M?ir?n & Diana, Can you give us some guidance as to where we are in the process? Do you want to open our work up for suggestions by posting an entry in the forum? Is there something else I can do? Thanks, John From baerjj at gmail.com Wed Dec 20 03:22:11 2006 From: baerjj at gmail.com (John Baer) Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2006 22:22:11 -0500 Subject: [FC7 theme proposal] Flying High with Fedora 7 - Round 2 Message-ID: <1166584931.6090.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> All, In an effort to lighten the RHGB screen I posted another RHGB submission as try 2 to the round 2 page. Is this going in the right direction? Cheers, John From duffy at redhat.com Wed Dec 20 07:13:55 2006 From: duffy at redhat.com (=?UTF-8?B?TcOhaXLDrW4gRHVmZnk=?=) Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2006 02:13:55 -0500 Subject: [FC7 theme proposal] Flying High with Fedora 7 - Round 2 In-Reply-To: <1166548042.2597.8.camel@zelda.fubar.dk> References: <1166459669.11117.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> <45878D2D.5060805@nicubunu.ro> <1166548042.2597.8.camel@zelda.fubar.dk> Message-ID: <4588E2B3.8050207@redhat.com> David Zeuthen wrote: > On Tue, 2006-12-19 at 08:56 +0200, Nicu Buculei wrote: >> John Baer wrote: >>> Posted some additional artwork submissions to the round 2 page. >>> >>> Just for fun I made an Open Office and Gimp splash screen. >> Question: do we want customized splash screens for such applications? >> - the splash for OpenOffice.org was customized for a while (around >> FC2-FC3) in the Bluecurve style.; >> - the GIMP splash was never (AFAIK) customized in RHL/Fedora; >> - in the current FC6 the Eclipse splash is customized ("Fedora Eclipse") >> but is not related at all to the rest of the desktop theming. I don't think we should be changing the Gimp and Open Office's splash screens - those products have their own brand identity. I do think, though, there are other themeable bits we should definitely look into - e.g., the default 'you've got webserver!' html for when you first setup apache on a Fedora system, or if we're going with a face browser, the default avatars available for people to choose from. > I think we should avoid theming splash screens because > > a) splash screens are generally not themeable; hence > > a1) extra work for package owners for patching it in - including > all the work communicating with said maintainers; and Right, we should definitely consider the amount of extra work involved for package maintainers. Although if we can provide our own patches, it's not really much of a load, correct? > b) some applications take pride in their splash screen and branding > it might be considered offensive. For example this applies to > The Gimp where there's, IIRC, a competition for splash screens Are we required to create one for Eclipse for various reasons? (I don't actually know, I just assumed so.) If not is there a reason we can't use the upstream one? Or at least clean up the current Fedora-themed one? > c) many developers (including most people working on Fedora) generally > consider splash screens to be bad; instead applications should just > start up really fast. +1 > d) splash screens are only shown for 1) a short time (if at all); and > 2) only when launching specific apps; so, at least to the > cost/benefit of doing splash screens isn't really justified I don't think it can be argued that they will go unnoticed. The Gimp and OOo are definitely widely-used apps. If it was deemed important for Fedora branding purposes (which I don't agree it is, but w/e) it wouldn't be a waste of effort. ~m From duffy at redhat.com Wed Dec 20 07:17:29 2006 From: duffy at redhat.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?M=E1ir=EDn_Duffy?=) Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2006 02:17:29 -0500 Subject: GTK2 Roundabout In-Reply-To: References: <20061213035917.5f3ad3f4@hydra.cimi.homelinux.net> <1165998827.457fbaeb5ff0d@ssl.mecca.ca> <457FC4F5.9070202@redhat.com> <4582C957.400@redhat.com> <20061215203555.3f455aae@hydra.cimi.homelinux.net> <20061219201550.54aa8937@hydra.cimi.homelinux.net> Message-ID: <4588E389.3030602@redhat.com> Leo wrote: > * Andrea Cimitan (2006-12-19 20:15 +0100) said: > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >> Ok we can stick to clearlooks and get glossiness and ugliness of it. > > I actually would like to see murrine-engine to replace clearlooks. May I ask why? It shouldn't be based on looks since Clearlooks can achieve the same effects... ~m From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Wed Dec 20 07:53:53 2006 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2006 09:53:53 +0200 Subject: [FC7 theme proposal] Flying High with Fedora 7 - Round 2 In-Reply-To: <1166548042.2597.8.camel@zelda.fubar.dk> References: <1166459669.11117.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> <45878D2D.5060805@nicubunu.ro> <1166548042.2597.8.camel@zelda.fubar.dk> Message-ID: <4588EC11.8030709@nicubunu.ro> David Zeuthen wrote: > On Tue, 2006-12-19 at 08:56 +0200, Nicu Buculei wrote: >>> >> Question: do we want customized splash screens for such applications? > > I think we should avoid theming splash screens because My opinion is the same, for ablout all the reasons you already said, but asked mostly to produce an answer form someone with more weight than me. > a3) Thus, I can't go and create a davidz-artwork RPM package > and expect the splash screen I've made for e.g. OO.o to just > magically be used. This is an exception, is an easy one: to change the OOo splash, just drop a file in the right place, it wil overwrite the default. > Hope this clarifies, otherwise just ask! Thanks! I would add one more reason against: there are so many splash screens that it would be a huge task to identify all of them. For example how many people are aware about he splash screen in Wireshark? -- nicu Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From nicolas.mailhot at laposte.net Wed Dec 20 08:40:18 2006 From: nicolas.mailhot at laposte.net (Nicolas Mailhot) Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2006 09:40:18 +0100 (CET) Subject: [FC7 theme proposal] Flying High with Fedora 7 - Round 2 In-Reply-To: <4588E2B3.8050207@redhat.com> References: <1166459669.11117.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> <45878D2D.5060805@nicubunu.ro> <1166548042.2597.8.camel@zelda.fubar.dk> <4588E2B3.8050207@redhat.com> Message-ID: <42355.192.54.193.51.1166604018.squirrel@rousalka.dyndns.org> Le Mer 20 d?cembre 2006 08:13, M?ir?n Duffy a ?crit : >> b) some applications take pride in their splash screen and branding >> it might be considered offensive. For example this applies to >> The Gimp where there's, IIRC, a competition for splash screens > > Are we required to create one for Eclipse for various reasons? (I don't > actually know, I just assumed so.) If not is there a reason we can't use > the upstream one? Or at least clean up the current Fedora-themed one? I think the rationale for Eclipse is it's heavily modified from upstream to work with gcj. Given Sun is going to liberate its JVM it may not apply much longer -- Nicolas Mailhot From david at fubar.dk Wed Dec 20 08:51:59 2006 From: david at fubar.dk (David Zeuthen) Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2006 03:51:59 -0500 Subject: [FC7 theme proposal] Flying High with Fedora 7 - Round 2 In-Reply-To: <4588E2B3.8050207@redhat.com> References: <1166459669.11117.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> <45878D2D.5060805@nicubunu.ro> <1166548042.2597.8.camel@zelda.fubar.dk> <4588E2B3.8050207@redhat.com> Message-ID: <1166604719.2578.14.camel@zelda.fubar.dk> On Wed, 2006-12-20 at 02:13 -0500, M?ir?n Duffy wrote: > I don't think we should be changing the Gimp and Open Office's splash > screens - those products have their own brand identity. I do think, > though, there are other themeable bits we should definitely look into - > e.g., the default 'you've got webserver!' html for when you first setup > apache on a Fedora system, or if we're going with a face browser, the > default avatars available for people to choose from. Certainly. Perhaps such artwork, given that it's system wide and all would most likely be generic insofar that it would work with any theme we make default for a given Fedora release. So it would probably default to using the official Fedora logo. As such, we probably wouldn't need to update it for newer Fedora releases either. > Right, we should definitely consider the amount of extra work involved > for package maintainers. Although if we can provide our own patches, > it's not really much of a load, correct? Agree, it's probably not a lot of work. > I don't think it can be argued that they will go unnoticed. The Gimp and > OOo are definitely widely-used apps. If it was deemed important for > Fedora branding purposes (which I don't agree it is, but w/e) it > wouldn't be a waste of effort. Yeah. Again, if a splash screen (or for that matter, any piece of art work) cannot follow the user's theme we should probably aim for using something that will work with any theme a'la similar to the Apache and default avatars. David From sdl.web at gmail.com Wed Dec 20 09:23:27 2006 From: sdl.web at gmail.com (Leo) Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2006 09:23:27 +0000 Subject: GTK2 Roundabout References: <20061213035917.5f3ad3f4@hydra.cimi.homelinux.net> <1165998827.457fbaeb5ff0d@ssl.mecca.ca> <457FC4F5.9070202@redhat.com> <4582C957.400@redhat.com> <20061215203555.3f455aae@hydra.cimi.homelinux.net> <20061219201550.54aa8937@hydra.cimi.homelinux.net> <4588E389.3030602@redhat.com> Message-ID: * M?ir?n Duffy (2006-12-20 02:17 -0500) said: ^^^^^^^^^^^^ > May I ask why? > > It shouldn't be based on looks since Clearlooks can achieve the same > effects... I just checked its cvs repository, looks like it is getting some attention these days. Take the vertical scroll bar for example: For a long time, all clearlooks based gtk2 themes have the same vertical scroll bar (that's in FC4). Then it became capable of changing color (as in FC5). My feeling is that Clearlooks is a dated slow inflexible theme engine. OpenSUSE Ubuntu and Mandrake, none of them are using it. Now there is a better alternative, I see no reason not to change. The best theme package is from RH8? for its unique gtk metacity and icon themes. Even today, there are still many upstream screenshots one can instantly recognizes that they are taken in RH/Fedora Linux. And I think this is a great marketing opportunity. But for the past 4 years, no significant change has been made to Fedora's theme and you can see more and more screenshots are taken on those distributions that do take the trouble to get a consistent and pretty look. On the technical comparison of clearlooks and Murrine, Cimi, could you show us the merits of Murrine? Footnotes: ? http://itpro.no/omtaler.php?op=Programvare&id=158 -- Leo (GPG Key: 9283AA3F) From cimi86 at alice.it Wed Dec 20 12:50:33 2006 From: cimi86 at alice.it (Andrea Cimitan) Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2006 13:50:33 +0100 Subject: GTK2 Roundabout In-Reply-To: References: <20061213035917.5f3ad3f4@hydra.cimi.homelinux.net> <1165998827.457fbaeb5ff0d@ssl.mecca.ca> <457FC4F5.9070202@redhat.com> <4582C957.400@redhat.com> <20061215203555.3f455aae@hydra.cimi.homelinux.net> <20061219201550.54aa8937@hydra.cimi.homelinux.net> <4588E389.3030602@redhat.com> Message-ID: <20061220135033.1d0be7e6@hydra.cimi.homelinux.net> Il giorno Wed, 20 Dec 2006 09:23:27 +0000 Leo ha scritto: > * M?ir?n Duffy (2006-12-20 02:17 -0500) said: > ^^^^^^^^^^^^ > > May I ask why? > > > > It shouldn't be based on looks since Clearlooks can achieve the same > > effects... > > I just checked its cvs repository, looks like it is getting some > attention these days. > > Take the vertical scroll bar for example: > > For a long time, all clearlooks based gtk2 themes have the same > vertical scroll bar (that's in FC4). Then it became capable of > changing color (as in FC5). My feeling is that Clearlooks is a dated > slow inflexible theme engine. OpenSUSE Ubuntu and Mandrake, none of > them are using it. Now there is a better alternative, I see no reason > not to change. > > The best theme package is from RH8? for its unique gtk metacity and > icon themes. Even today, there are still many upstream screenshots one > can instantly recognizes that they are taken in RH/Fedora Linux. And I > think this is a great marketing opportunity. But for the past 4 years, > no significant change has been made to Fedora's theme and you can see > more and more screenshots are taken on those distributions that do > take the trouble to get a consistent and pretty look. > > On the technical comparison of clearlooks and Murrine, Cimi, could you > show us the merits of Murrine? > > Footnotes: > ? http://itpro.no/omtaler.php?op=Programvare&id=158 Sure, i can explain the good things of the two engines. Good points of Murrine: 1) Best look for a cairo engine, people love Murrine rather than other engines and install it for this reason (this is what people think, see votes on www.gnomelook.org and polls on ubuntuforums, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=291636, where murrine is placed on 42% and ubuntulooks and clearlooks at only 21%) 2) Huge amount of colorschemes (aka Themes) available on gnomelook.org. At this moment in just 5 months it has taken more Themes than clearlooks took for two years. 3) With Cairo rendering library performance has slowdown every engine (due to gradients and curves). Murrine is capable to reach nearly the same speed of old engines with the big quality of cairo rendering. At default is about 30% faster than clearlooks and ubuntulooks. This is due to the new design of buttons that don't need to have gradients to be really cool. 4) Wonderful capabilities in customization. It supports a lot of options (that with 0.40 release expected on Christmas day will be a lot more... prepare to another BIG release) that makes able the user to completely change the look of a Theme following his tastes just changing few things. Murrine Configurator, http://cimi.netsons.org/pages/murrine/configurator.php is a simple GUI that every user (and every newbie!!!) can use to configure every theme with just few clicks. 5) Support of dark themes. Actually Murrine is the only engine supporting of dark themes without making ugliness in rendering (try to set dark colors on clearlooks-cairo or ubuntulooks... and see white lines almost everywhere). Good points of Clearlooks: 1) Official Support of gnome bugzilla, so general bugs (so not clearlooks-only related) are fixed before on it. Btw i'm a lot of time in #gnome-art IRC channel so all important bugs were fixed in murrine too. Murrine needs a bugzilla, I guess. 2) Clearlooks has a public cvs while murrine has more (stable) releases. Murrine needs a cvs, I guess. >From previous 2 points we can guess a 3rd one, even though it could be the 6th good point of murrine: Clearlooks development lacks of good designers, and founders/creators aren't developing till an year (it was abandoned from them). For this moment Clearlooks is developed by a friend of mine, Benzea (who I greet, "hi benzea!!!") who is very very good in coding and fixing bugs, but he hasn't done so much in improving look in the last year... Despite I'm very very good in design and improving the look of Murrine (many paople say Murrine is the best theme compared with every OS, Mac and Microsoft included) but not good as benzea in bug-fixing. So for this reason I suggested Murrine as the new engine. Linux needs great themes in the "desktop experience" and Murrine is the best starting point, since with redhat bugzilla Murrine may reach the same "Good points" of clearlooks. This is my opinion and i've tried to be neutral to hilight the good points of every engine. -- Cimi - Andrea Cimitan http://cimi.netsons.org From baerjj at gmail.com Wed Dec 20 14:28:37 2006 From: baerjj at gmail.com (John Baer) Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2006 09:28:37 -0500 Subject: [FC7 theme proposal] Flying High with Fedora 7 - Round 2 Message-ID: <484ace5d0612200628u1abaca82w449819f4d7c776b0@mail.gmail.com> All, I do agree splash screens should not be at the top of our list and to Fedora's credit Open Office and Gimp do load quickly, but I also feel strongly we should not lose site of what we are trying to accomplish. "Provide the best user experience possible!" IMO folks will seek out the distro that delivers on that vision. I would remind everyone many of the other distro's (Ubuntu/openSuSE/Zenwalk/Vector/and the list goes on) have decided to theme the splash screens of Open Office and Gimp. I do not know how they came to that decision but I believe they simply want to provide the best user experience possible. Although I have not provided a submission as of yet, one could easily apply the same arguments (pro/con) to the Gnome Screen Saver Lock screen. Perhaps the grub splash screen as well. I would encourage us to not focus on what we can't do but rather focus on creating everything we can to provide the "best user experience possible". We started early, we have the talent, let's go for it! Cheers, John -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From cimi86 at alice.it Wed Dec 20 14:39:45 2006 From: cimi86 at alice.it (Andrea Cimitan) Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2006 15:39:45 +0100 Subject: GTK2 Roundabout In-Reply-To: References: <20061213035917.5f3ad3f4@hydra.cimi.homelinux.net> <1165998827.457fbaeb5ff0d@ssl.mecca.ca> <457FC4F5.9070202@redhat.com> <4582C957.400@redhat.com> <20061215203555.3f455aae@hydra.cimi.homelinux.net> <20061219201550.54aa8937@hydra.cimi.homelinux.net> <4588E389.3030602@redhat.com> Message-ID: <20061220153945.0d2e0ad3@hydra.cimi.homelinux.net> Il giorno Wed, 20 Dec 2006 09:23:27 +0000 Leo ha scritto: > * M?ir?n Duffy (2006-12-20 02:17 -0500) said: > ^^^^^^^^^^^^ > > May I ask why? > > > > It shouldn't be based on looks since Clearlooks can achieve the same > > effects... > > I just checked its cvs repository, looks like it is getting some > attention these days. > > Take the vertical scroll bar for example: > > For a long time, all clearlooks based gtk2 themes have the same > vertical scroll bar (that's in FC4). Then it became capable of > changing color (as in FC5). My feeling is that Clearlooks is a dated > slow inflexible theme engine. OpenSUSE Ubuntu and Mandrake, none of > them are using it. Now there is a better alternative, I see no reason > not to change. > > The best theme package is from RH8? for its unique gtk metacity and > icon themes. Even today, there are still many upstream screenshots one > can instantly recognizes that they are taken in RH/Fedora Linux. And I > think this is a great marketing opportunity. But for the past 4 years, > no significant change has been made to Fedora's theme and you can see > more and more screenshots are taken on those distributions that do > take the trouble to get a consistent and pretty look. > > On the technical comparison of clearlooks and Murrine, Cimi, could you > show us the merits of Murrine? > > Footnotes: > ? http://itpro.no/omtaler.php?op=Programvare&id=158 Sure, i can explain the good things of the two engines. Good points of Murrine: 1) Best look for a cairo engine, people love Murrine rather than other engines and install it for this reason (this is what people think, see votes on www.gnomelook.org and polls on ubuntuforums, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=291636, where murrine is placed on 42% and ubuntulooks and clearlooks at only 21%) 2) Huge amount of colorschemes (aka Themes) available on gnomelook.org. At this moment in just 5 months it has taken more Themes than clearlooks took for two years. 3) With Cairo rendering library performance has slowdown every engine (due to gradients and curves). Murrine is capable to reach nearly the same speed of old engines with the big quality of cairo rendering. At default is about 30% faster than clearlooks and ubuntulooks. This is due to the new design of buttons that don't need to have gradients to be really cool. 4) Wonderful capabilities in customization. It supports a lot of options (that with 0.40 release expected on Christmas day will be a lot more... prepare to another BIG release) that makes able the user to completely change the look of a Theme following his tastes just changing few things. Murrine Configurator, http://cimi.netsons.org/pages/murrine/configurator.php is a simple GUI that every user (and every newbie!!!) can use to configure every theme with just few clicks. 5) Support of dark themes. Actually Murrine is the only engine supporting of dark themes without making ugliness in rendering (try to set dark colors on clearlooks-cairo or ubuntulooks... and see white lines almost everywhere). Good points of Clearlooks: 1) Official Support of gnome bugzilla, so general bugs (so not clearlooks-only related) are fixed before on it. Btw i'm a lot of time in #gnome-art IRC channel so all important bugs were fixed in murrine too. Murrine needs a bugzilla, I guess. 2) Clearlooks has a public cvs while murrine has more (stable) releases. Murrine needs a cvs, I guess. >From previous 2 points we can guess a 3rd one, even though it could be the 6th good point of murrine: Clearlooks development lacks of good designers, and founders/creators aren't developing till an year (it was abandoned from them). For this moment Clearlooks is developed by a friend of mine, Benzea (who I greet, "hi benzea!!!") who is very very good in coding and fixing bugs, but he hasn't done so much in improving look in the last year... Despite I'm very very good in design and improving the look of Murrine (many paople say Murrine is the best theme compared with every OS, Mac and Microsoft included) but not good as benzea in bug-fixing. So for this reason I suggested Murrine as the new engine. Linux needs great themes in the "desktop experience" and Murrine is the best starting point, since with redhat bugzilla Murrine may reach the same "Good points" of clearlooks. This is my opinion and i've tried to be neutral to hilight the good points of every engine. -- Cimi - Andrea Cimitan http://cimi.netsons.org From duffy at redhat.com Wed Dec 20 17:58:54 2006 From: duffy at redhat.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?M=E1ir=EDn_Duffy?=) Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2006 12:58:54 -0500 Subject: [FC7 theme proposal] Flying High with Fedora 7 - Round 2 In-Reply-To: <484ace5d0612200628u1abaca82w449819f4d7c776b0@mail.gmail.com> References: <484ace5d0612200628u1abaca82w449819f4d7c776b0@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <458979DE.3020301@redhat.com> Hi John, John Baer wrote: > I do agree splash screens should not be at the top of our list and to > Fedora's credit Open Office and Gimp do load quickly, but I also feel > strongly we should not lose site of what we are trying to accomplish. > > "Provide the best user experience possible!" How do OOo, Gimp, and Eclipse splash screens provide the best user experience possible...? They don't. They provide a fuller 'brand experience' for sure, but that's different from 'user experience' (former benefits us more than it would users.) The best user experience possible is applications loading up so quickly you don't need a splash screen to provide feedback that yes, the application is loading. > I would remind everyone many of the other distro's > (Ubuntu/openSuSE/Zenwalk/Vector/and the list goes on) have decided to > theme the splash screens of Open Office and Gimp. I do not know how they > came to that decision but I believe they simply want to provide the best > user experience possible. We need to be a leader, not a follower. Just because others are doing something doesn't mean it's a good idea. > Although I have not provided a submission as of yet, one could easily > apply the same arguments (pro/con) to the Gnome Screen Saver Lock > screen. Perhaps the grub splash screen as well. > > I would encourage us to not focus on what we can't do but rather focus > on creating everything we can to provide the "best user experience > possible". We started early, we have the talent, let's go for it! I don't really think we are focusing on what's possible so much as what is reasonable and in our users' best interests. I think davidz is absolutely right in pointing out the splash screens probably shouldn't be there in the first place - the apps should start up faster. For us to ask package maintainers to add splash screens to apps would take their time away to implement really cool features and bugfixes that really have a greater positive impact on the user's experience. ~m From sdl.web at gmail.com Wed Dec 20 18:58:30 2006 From: sdl.web at gmail.com (Leo) Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2006 18:58:30 +0000 Subject: [FC7 theme proposal] Flying High with Fedora 7 - Round 2 References: <484ace5d0612200628u1abaca82w449819f4d7c776b0@mail.gmail.com> <458979DE.3020301@redhat.com> Message-ID: * M?ir?n Duffy (2006-12-20 12:58 -0500) said: ^^^^^^^^^^^^ [...] > How do OOo, Gimp, and Eclipse splash screens provide the best user > experience possible...? They don't. They provide a fuller 'brand > experience' for sure, but that's different from 'user experience' > (former benefits us more than it would users.) > > The best user experience possible is applications loading up so > quickly you don't need a splash screen to provide feedback that yes, > the application is loading. But not much we can do to improve their startup time at this time. So a splash screen will be in those apps for Fedora 7. >> I would remind everyone many of the other distro's >> (Ubuntu/openSuSE/Zenwalk/Vector/and the list goes on) have decided >> to theme the splash screens of Open Office and Gimp. I do not know >> how they came to that decision but I believe they simply want to >> provide the best user experience possible. > > We need to be a leader, not a follower. Just because others are doing > something doesn't mean it's a good idea. I like this attitude :) Some of those distros have reached nearly complete theme across the Desktop and the splash screen might as well make it more complete. We are not in this stage though. -- Leo (GPG Key: 9283AA3F) From baerjj at gmail.com Thu Dec 21 02:41:52 2006 From: baerjj at gmail.com (John Baer) Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2006 21:41:52 -0500 Subject: [FC7 theme proposal] Flying High with Fedora 7 - Round 2 Preview Message-ID: <1166668912.8433.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> M?ir?n & Diana, I would like to get feedback on this theme from the forum. To that end I prepared a "Preview" wiki page to be used as a link. Your thoughts? http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fc7ThemeProposalFlyingHighPreview Thanks, John From duffy at redhat.com Thu Dec 21 04:27:44 2006 From: duffy at redhat.com (=?UTF-8?B?TcOhaXLDrW4gRHVmZnk=?=) Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2006 23:27:44 -0500 Subject: [FC7 theme proposal] Flying High with Fedora 7 - Round 2 Preview In-Reply-To: <1166668912.8433.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1166668912.8433.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <458A0D40.2020709@redhat.com> Hi John, John Baer wrote: > M?ir?n & Diana, You *can* address the whole list - this is a community project as is Fedora. :) > I would like to get feedback on this theme from the forum. To that end I > prepared a "Preview" wiki page to be used as a link. Do you mean FedoraForum? They already set up a poll for the round 1 themes on there so you could probably start a new topic on your round 2 work and provide the link. ~m From duffy at redhat.com Thu Dec 21 04:29:50 2006 From: duffy at redhat.com (=?UTF-8?B?TcOhaXLDrW4gRHVmZnk=?=) Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2006 23:29:50 -0500 Subject: [Fwd: [Fedora Project Wiki] Update of "Artwork/ReleaseGraphics" by DianaFong] Message-ID: <458A0DBE.4020202@redhat.com> May I ask *why* we now have two pages for essentially the same thing? I was under the impression that the second page was created as a draft to merge so I took the time to merge the two since they had a lot of redundant information. Now there's two pages again. I just don't understand. ~m -------- Original Message -------- Subject: [Fedora Project Wiki] Update of "Artwork/ReleaseGraphics" by DianaFong Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2006 22:55:59 -0000 From: fedorawiki-noreply at fedoraproject.org To: fedorawiki-noreply at fedoraproject.org Dear Wiki user, You have subscribed to a wiki page or wiki category on "Fedora Project Wiki" for change notification. The following page has been changed by DianaFong: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/ReleaseGraphics ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ + ## page was renamed from Artwork/ThemingOverviewInProgress [:Artwork: Artwork] > [:Artwork/ThemingOverview: ThemingOverview] - This page has been merged with [:Artwork/ThemingOverview: ThemingOverview]. + [[TableOfContents]] + = Fedora Release Graphics = + + There are many components in Fedora, whose visual elements can be changed...thus is the power of Open Source software. With this, an entire distribution can be unified by creating a common theme across the various customizable screens. The following is a list of components + (in general order) that goes into re-theming a distribution. Also included are screenshots of Fedora Core 5 and 6 to illustrate the possible changes as well as to show Fedora Core's visual progression. + [[BR]][[BR]] + If you've got great design ideas but are not technically-inclined, or would like to learn how to code your own themes but need help...upload your mockups to [:Artwork/ThemeConcepts: ThemeConcepts] and post a link to [http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list fedora-art-list], to get started. + [[BR]][[BR]] + These are the notes and specifications I've accumulated from having completed 4-5 release designs. I realize that some of the info posted here might not agree with some specs but this is what I've found to work. If you find serious discrepancies or have questions, contact me or post to [http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list fedora-art-list]. [DianaFong] + + == Anaconda Prompt Screen == + ||<^ |6> [[ImageLink(01Syslinux.png)]] ||<^ style="color: #636363;"> Description: || Splash screen used at the boot prompt with syslinux/isolinux. This gets transformed into the syslinux specific format. || + ||<^ style="color: #636363;" rowstyle="background-color: #EBEBEB;">File Name + Extension: || same image, two locations: [[BR]]/usr/lib/anaconda-runtime/boot/syslinux-splash.png and [[BR]]/usr/share/anaconda/pixmaps/syslinux-splash.png || + ||<^ style="color: #636363;" rowstyle="background-color: #EBEBEB;">Package: || fedora-logos / redhat-logos || + ||<^ style="color: #636363;" rowstyle="background-color: #EBEBEB;">Size: || 640x300 pixels || + ||<^ style="color: #636363;" rowstyle="background-color: #EBEBEB;">Colors: || 16 color palette (should be an indexed .png with #000000, #ffffff, #cdcfd5, #5b6c93, and #c90000 in your palette). || + ||<-2> FC5: [[ImageLink(01fc5.png,width=120,height=90)]] FC6: [[ImageLink(01fc6.png,width=120,height=90)]] || + ||<-3> '''Testing Notes:''' The final file format of this graphic is 'lss'. To test it out there are programs available such as ppmtolss that will let you convert this image to lss to try it out (of course to use that you'd have to convert to ppm first. :) ) Once you have converted it to lss, create an installation CD, putting your newly-created lss file in the /isolinux directory, naming it 'splash.lss'. --[MairinDuffy] || + + == Anaconda Screen - Splash == + ||<^ |11> [[ImageLink(02AnacondaSplash.png)]] ||<^ style="color: #636363;"> Description: || This is the the "splash" component to the Installation Wizard. It is comprised of two pieces of artwork...the header [1] and the center image [2]. || + ||<^ style="color: #636363;" rowstyle="background-color: #EBEBEB;">[1] File Name + Extension: || usr/share/anaconda/pixmaps/anaconda_header.png || + ||<^ style="color: #636363;" rowstyle="background-color: #EBEBEB;">[1] Package: || fedora-logos / redhat-logos || + ||<^ style="color: #636363;" rowstyle="background-color: #EBEBEB;">[1] Size: || 800x88 pixels || + ||<^ style="color: #636363;" rowstyle="background-color: #EBEBEB;">[1] Colors: || No color limitations. || + ||<^ style="color: #636363;" rowstyle="background-color: #D7D7D7;">[2] File Name + Extension: || usr/share/anaconda/pixmaps/splash.png || + ||<^ style="color: #636363;" rowstyle="background-color: #D7D7D7;">[2] Package: || fedora-logos / redhat-logos || + ||<^ style="color: #636363;" rowstyle="background-color: #D7D7D7;">[2] Size: || The current graphic is 507x388 pixels. This image has some flexibility to vary in size. || + ||<^ style="color: #636363;" rowstyle="background-color: #D7D7D7;">[2] Colors: || No color limitations. || + ||<^> '''NOTE:''' || Image01 should include the following Copyright text: [[BR]]`Copyright (C) 2003 - 2006 Red Hat, Inc. and others. All rights reserved.` || + ||<-2> FC5: [[ImageLink(02fc5.png,width=120,height=90)]] FC6: [[ImageLink(02fc6.png,width=120,height=90)]] || + + == Anaconda Screen - Progress == + ||<^ |12> [[ImageLink(03AnacondaProgress.png)]] ||<^ style="color: #636363;"> Description: || This is the the "progress" component to the Installation Wizard. It is comprised of two pieces of artwork...the header [1] (same as Anaconda Prompt Screen - Splash) and the center image [2b/c]. || + ||<-2 style="background-color: #EBEBEB;"> [1] Same as graphic [1] from Anaconda Prompt Screen - Splash || + ||<^ style="color: #636363;" rowstyle="background-color: #D7D7D7;">[2b] File Name + Extension: || usr/share/anaconda/pixmaps/progress_first.png || + ||<^ style="color: #636363;" rowstyle="background-color: #D7D7D7;">[2b] Package: || fedora-logos / redhat-logos || + ||<^ style="color: #636363;" rowstyle="background-color: #D7D7D7;">[2b] Size: || 500x325 pixels || + ||<^ style="color: #636363;" rowstyle="background-color: #D7D7D7;">[2b] Colors: || No color limitations. || + ||<^ style="color: #636363;" rowstyle="background-color: #EBEBEB;">[2c] File Name + Extension: || usr/share/anaconda/pixmaps/progress_first-lowres.png || + ||<^ style="color: #636363;" rowstyle="background-color: #EBEBEB;">[2c] Package: || fedora-logos / redhat-logos || + ||<^ style="color: #636363;" rowstyle="background-color: #EBEBEB;">[2c] Size: || 350/225 pixels || + ||<^ style="color: #636363;" rowstyle="background-color: #EBEBEB;">[2c] Colors: || No color limitations. || + ||<^> '''NOTE:''' || Both 2b/c should include the following Copyright text: [[BR]]`Copyright (C) 2003 - 2006 Red Hat, Inc. and others. All rights reserved.` || + ||<-2> FC5: [[ImageLink(03fc5.png,width=120,height=90)]] FC6: [[ImageLink(03fc6.png,width=120,height=90)]] || + + == GRUB (Grand Unified Bootloader) == + ||<^ |12> [[ImageLink(04Grub.png)]] ||<^ style="color: #636363;"> Description: || Seen every time the computer boots, this screen is where the selection of which kernel to run and other boot-time options, are made. || + ||<^ style="color: #636363;" rowstyle="background-color: #EBEBEB;">File Name + Extension: || /boot/grub/splash.xpm.gz || + ||<^ style="color: #636363;" rowstyle="background-color: #EBEBEB;">Package: || fedora-logos / redhat-logos || + ||<^ style="color: #636363;" rowstyle="background-color: #EBEBEB;">Size: || 640x480 pixels || + ||<^ style="color: #636363;" rowstyle="background-color: #EBEBEB;">Colors: || 16 color palette (should be an indexed .xpm, compressed with gzip with #000000 and #ffffff in your palette). || + ||<^> '''NOTE:''' || The selection bar is black and so the image created should take care to allow for the selection bar to be visible. || + ||<-2> FC5: [[ImageLink(04fc5.png,width=120,height=90)]] FC6: [[ImageLink(04fc6.png,width=120,height=90)]] || + + == RHGB (Red Hat Graphical Boot) == + ||<^ |18> [[ImageLink(05RHGBa.png)]] [[BR]] 1. Graphic "Hide Detail" Mode [[BR]][[BR]][[BR]][[BR]][[BR]][[BR]] [[ImageLink(05RHGBb.png)]] [[BR]] 2. Text "Show Detail" Mode ||<^ style="color: #636363;"> Description: || Shown as the machine starts up...users can toggle between [[BR]] 1. Graphic "Hide Detail" mode and [[BR]] 2. Text "Show Detail" mode || + ||<^ style="color: #636363;" rowstyle="background-color: #EBEBEB;">[image01] File Name + Extension: || /usr/share/rhgb/main-logo.png || + ||<^ style="color: #636363;" rowstyle="background-color: #EBEBEB;">[image01] Package: || fedora-logos / redhat-logos || + ||<^ style="color: #636363;" rowstyle="background-color: #EBEBEB;">[image01] Size: || The current image is 320x396 pixels and gets scaled to a height of screen_height/2. || + ||<^ style="color: #636363;" rowstyle="background-color: #EBEBEB;">[image01] Colors: || No color limitations. || + ||<^ style="color: #636363;" rowstyle="background-color: #D7D7D7;">[image02] File Name + Extension: || /usr/share/rhgb/system-logo.png || + ||<^ style="color: #636363;" rowstyle="background-color: #D7D7D7;">[image02] Package: || fedora-logos / redhat-logos || + ||<^ style="color: #636363;" rowstyle="background-color: #D7D7D7;">[image02] Size: || The current image is 183x45 pixels and gets scaled to a height of 0.075*screen_height. || + ||<^ style="color: #636363;" rowstyle="background-color: #D7D7D7;">[image02] Colors: || No color limitations. || + ||<^ style="color: #636363;" rowstyle="background-color: #EBEBEB;">[color01 & color02] File Name + Extension: || splash.c || + ||<^ style="color: #636363;" rowstyle="background-color: #EBEBEB;">[color01 & color02] Package: || RHGB || + ||<^ style="color: #636363;" rowstyle="background-color: #EBEBEB;">[color01 & color02] Specs: || Provide HEX numbers for these colors. The colors of the rhgb screen are hardcoded in splash.c. || + ||<^ style="color: #636363;" rowstyle="background-color: #D7D7D7;">[T] File Name + Extension: || /usr/share/rhgb/throbber-anim.png || + ||<^ style="color: #636363;" rowstyle="background-color: #D7D7D7;">[T] Package: || RHGB || + ||<^ style="color: #636363;" rowstyle="background-color: #D7D7D7;">[T] Size: || The current throbber is a 288x24 pixels image, with the height of a small icon (24 pixels) and the width equal to the sum of the animted frames horizontally positioned next to each other (currently 12 frames). || + ||<^ style="color: #636363;" rowstyle="background-color: #D7D7D7;">[T] Colors: || No color limitations. || + ||<^> '''NOTE:''' || The background color02 set for this section will be the same screen color during firstboot. Make sure color02 works with the graphic used in firstboot.|| + ||<-2> FC5: [[ImageLink(05fc5a.png,width=120,height=90)]] FC6: [[ImageLink(05fc6a.png,width=120,height=90)]] [[BR]] FC5: [[ImageLink(05fc5b.png,width=120,height=90)]] FC6: [[ImageLink(05fc6b.png,width=120,height=90)]] || + ||<-3> '''Testing Notes:''' (write-up by Andy Shellam) The RHGB screens are simply PNG images in the /usr/share/rhgb folder, and can be replaced by custom ones. To create a custom "throbber" (the animation of a few circles spinning round), create a PNG image of 288x24 - then in that image you need 12 images of 24x24 placed side-by-side, so when viewed left to right - that's your animation. Replace the /usr/share/rhgb/throbber-anim.png image with your image, reboot and you're sorted! In Fedora, the /usr/share/rhgb/large-computer.png isn't used - there are 2 other images - one which is the fedora system logo (the bubbly f), the other is the word "fedora" in the bottom-right corner. Replace these with your own PNGs and bingo, you've got a nice customised system :) More information at [http://ruslug.rutgers.edu/~mcgrof/grub-images/] || + + == First Boot == + ||<^ |12> [[ImageLink(06Firstboot.png)]] ||<^ style="color: #636363;"> Description: || Walks user through additional configuration of their system post-installation. It is comprised of two pieces of artwork...the banner along the left side [1] and a splash image [2]. || + ||<^ style="color: #636363;" rowstyle="background-color: #EBEBEB;">[1] File Name + Extension: || /usr/share/firstboot/pixmaps/firstboot-left.png || + ||<^ style="color: #636363;" rowstyle="background-color: #EBEBEB;">[1] Package: || fedora-logos / redhat-logos || + ||<^ style="color: #636363;" rowstyle="background-color: #EBEBEB;">[1] Size: || 160x600 pixels || + ||<^ style="color: #636363;" rowstyle="background-color: #EBEBEB;">[1] Colors: || No color limitations. || + ||<^ style="color: #636363;" rowstyle="background-color: #D7D7D7;">[2] File Name + Extension: || /usr/share/firstboot/pixmaps/splash-small.png || + ||<^ style="color: #636363;" rowstyle="background-color: #D7D7D7;">[2] Package: || fedora-logos / redhat-logos || + ||<^ style="color: #636363;" rowstyle="background-color: #D7D7D7;">[2] Size: || 560x320 pixels || + ||<^ style="color: #636363;" rowstyle="background-color: #D7D7D7;">[2] Colors: || No color limitations. || + ||<^> '''NOTE:''' || On large screens, firstboot will not resize to fill the window. Instead, the background color02 chosen for RHGB will be the background color. || + ||<-2> FC5: [[ImageLink(06fc5.png,width=120,height=90)]] FC6: [[ImageLink(06fc6.png,width=120,height=90)]] || + ||<^> '''NOTE:''' || Additional artwork for firstboot is located in the /usr/share/firstboot/pixmaps directory/. --[MairinDuffy] || + ||<-3> '''Testing Notes:''' Copy all of your artwork to /usr/share/firstboot/pixmaps, making sure to backup the originals if you care about them. :) Now, run (as root), '''/usr/sbin/firstboot --debug'''. This will spew a bunch of stuff out to your terminal - let it finish - and eventually you'll see a firstboot item appear in your tasklist/window list. Firstboot likes to pop under you see :) So you'll need to click the 'show desktop' icon in the lower left corner of your screen to hide all of your open windows, then click on the firstboot item in the tasklist/window list to see firstboot running with your artwork. You should be able to click through the screens. --[MairinDuffy] || + + == GDM (Gnome Display Manager) == + ||<^ |7> [[ImageLink(07GDM.png)]] ||<^ style="color: #636363;"> Description: || Login Screen. || + ||<^ style="color: #636363;" rowstyle="background-color: #EBEBEB;">File Name + Extension: || /usr/share/gdm/themes/X (where X is the theme name)/background.png + gdm ''(see link mentioned under '''Note''')'' || + ||<^ style="color: #636363;" rowstyle="background-color: #EBEBEB;">Package: || background.png goes in fedora-logos / redhat-logos [[BR]] gdm goes in redhat-artwork || + ||<^ style="color: #636363;" rowstyle="background-color: #EBEBEB;">Size: || Can be any size you want, but try to make a layout that can be ?liquid.? When designing, please consider users with lower screen resolution and also users with widescreen monitors. || + ||<^ style="color: #636363;" rowstyle="background-color: #EBEBEB;">Colors: || No color limitations. || + ||<^> '''NOTE:''' || Design with plenty of space for text to shirnk and grow to accommodate translated text. [[BR]][[BR]] More information, visit [http://www.gnome.org/projects/gdm/docs/2.16/thememanual.html Gnome Display Manager Reference Manual].|| + ||<-2> FC5: [[ImageLink(07fc5.png,width=120,height=90)]] FC6: [[ImageLink(07fc6.png,width=120,height=90)]] || + ||<-3> '''Testing Notes:''' Testing GDM themes for a widescreen monitor when you don't have a widescreen monitor, type the following in a terminal: [[BR]]'''-''' 'EXPORT DOING_GDM_DEVELOPMENT = 1' [[BR]]'''-''' 'Xnest -ac -geometry 1680x525 :123 &' [[BR]]'''-''' 'DISPLAY=:123 /usr/bin/gdmgreeter' --[MairinDuffy] || + + == GNOME Splash Screen == + + '''NOTE:''' Please don't focus on this graphic piece as it's turned off by default in both upstream and Fedora's GNOME. + + ||<^ |10> [[ImageLink(08ExtensionSplash.png)]] ||<^ style="color: #636363;"> Description: || Splash screen after a user succesfully authentificated on login screen. `Currently off by default.` || + ||<^ style="color: #636363;" rowstyle="background-color: #EBEBEB;">File Name + Extension: || /usr/share/pixmaps/splash/gnome-splash.png || + ||<^ style="color: #636363;" rowstyle="background-color: #EBEBEB;">Package: || fedora-logos / redhat-logos || + ||<^ style="color: #636363;" rowstyle="background-color: #EBEBEB;">Size: || The current image is 503x420, though the dialog will adapt to slightly different sizes. || + ||<^ style="color: #636363;" rowstyle="background-color: #EBEBEB;">Colors: || No color limitations. || + ||<^ style="color: #636363;" rowstyle="background-color: #D7D7D7">[color01] File Name + Extension: || splash-widget.c || + ||<^ style="color: #636363;" rowstyle="background-color: #D7D7D7;">[color01] Package: || gnome-session || + ||<^ style="color: #636363;" rowstyle="background-color: #D7D7D7;">[color01] Specs: || Provide HEX numbers for color01. The color of the GNOME splash screen is hardcoded in splash-widget.c. || + ||<^> '''NOTE:''' || The position of the icons and text is hardcoded in splash-widget.c in gnome-session and may need tweaking for a different image. [[BR]][[BR]]Image01 should include the following Copyright text: `Copyright (C) 2003 - 2006 Red Hat, Inc. and others. All rights reserved.`|| + ||<-2> FC5: [[ImageLink(08fc5.png,width=120,height=90)]] FC6: [[ImageLink(08fc6.png,width=120,height=90)]] || + + == Background/Wallpaper == + ||<^ |10> [[ImageLink(09Background.png)]] ||<^ style="color: #636363;"> Description: || Background for desktop. || + ||<^ style="color: #636363;" rowstyle="background-color: #EBEBEB;">File Name + Extension: || usr/share/backgrounds/images/default.png || + ||<^ style="color: #636363;" rowstyle="background-color: #EBEBEB;">Package: || fedora-logos / redhat-logos || + ||<^ style="color: #636363;" rowstyle="background-color: #EBEBEB;">Size: || Currently supporting five (5) popular sizes. Their names and corresponding sizes are as follows:[[BR]]- default.jpg (2048x1536)[[BR]]- default-5_4.jpg (1280 x 1024)[[BR]]- default-dual.jpg (2560x1240)[[BR]]- default-dual-wide.jpg (2560 x 960)[[BR]]- default-wide.jpg (1680 x 1050) || + ||<^ style="color: #636363;" rowstyle="background-color: #EBEBEB;">Colors: || No color limitations. || + ||<^> '''NOTE:''' || Create variations for the five sizes listed above. [[BR]][[BR]]Some colors might appear brighter or darker depending on the monitor, please test the image on a variety of monitors for optimal use.|| + ||<-2> FC5: [[ImageLink(09fc5.png,width=120,height=90)]] FC6: [[ImageLink(09fc6.png,width=120,height=90)]] || + + == GNOME Screensaver Lock Dialog == + + '''NOTE:''' Please don't focus on this graphic piece as it's turned off by default in both upstream and Fedora's GNOME. + + ||<^ |10> [[ImageLink(10LockDialog.png)]] ||<^ style="color: #636363;"> Description: || Login dialog which appears when the user returns after screensaver is running. ''Currently off by default.'' || + ||<^ style="color: #636363;" rowstyle="background-color: #EBEBEB;">File Name + Extension: || user/share/gnome/screensaver/lock-dialog-system.png + lock-dialog-system.gtkrc|| + ||<^ style="color: #636363;" rowstyle="background-color: #EBEBEB;">Package: || fedora-logos / redhat-logos || + ||<^ style="color: #636363;" rowstyle="background-color: #EBEBEB;">Size: || 400x314 pixels|| + ||<^ style="color: #636363;" rowstyle="background-color: #EBEBEB;">Colors: || No color limitations. || + ||<^> '''NOTE:''' || Design with space for text to shrink and grow to accommodate prompts, translated text, as well as long usernames.|| + ||<-2> FC5: [[ImageLink(10fc5.png,width=120,height=90)]] FC6: [[ImageLink(10fc6.png,width=120,height=90)]] || + + == KDE Splash == + ||<^ |26> [[ImageLink(11KDEsplash.png)]] ||<^ style="color: #636363;"> Description: || KDE ksplash is a part of redhat-logos. The theme should be installed in /usr/share/apps/ksplash/Themes/X (X is the name of the Theme). There is one (1) preview image, one (1) resource file, and Image01 is comprised of four (4) pieces. || + ||<^ style="color: #636363;" rowstyle="background-color: #EBEBEB;">[01] File Name + Extension: || /usr/share/apps/ksplash/Themes/X/Preview.png || + ||<^ style="color: #636363;" rowstyle="background-color: #EBEBEB;">[01] Package: || fedora-logos / redhat-logos || + ||<^ style="color: #636363;" rowstyle="background-color: #EBEBEB;">[01] Size: || 400x244 pixels || + ||<^ style="color: #636363;" rowstyle="background-color: #EBEBEB;">[01] Colors: || No color limitations. || + ||<^ style="color: #636363;" rowstyle="background-color: #D7D7D7;">[resource file] File Name + Extension: || /usr/share/apps/ksplash/Themes/X/Theme.rc|| + ||<^ style="color: #636363;" rowstyle="background-color: #D7D7D7;">[resource file] Package: || fedora-logos / redhat-logos || + ||<^ style="color: #636363;" rowstyle="background-color: #EBEBEB;">[image01.a] File Name + Extension: || /usr/share/apps/ksplash/Themes/X/splash_top.png || + ||<^ style="color: #636363;" rowstyle="background-color: #EBEBEB;">[image01.a] Package: || fedora-logos / redhat-logos || + ||<^ style="color: #636363;" rowstyle="background-color: #EBEBEB;">[image01.a] Size: || 400x244 pixels || + ||<^ style="color: #636363;" rowstyle="background-color: #EBEBEB;">[image01.a] Colors: || No color limitations. || + ||<^ style="color: #636363;" rowstyle="background-color: #D7D7D7;">[image01.b] File Name + Extension: || /usr/share/apps/ksplash/Themes/X/splash_inactive_bar.png || + ||<^ style="color: #636363;" rowstyle="background-color: #D7D7D7;">[image01.b] Package: || fedora-logos / redhat-logos || + ||<^ style="color: #636363;" rowstyle="background-color: #D7D7D7;">[image01.b] Size: || 400x51 pixels || + ||<^ style="color: #636363;" rowstyle="background-color: #D7D7D7;">[image01.b] Colors: || No color limitations. || + ||<^ style="color: #636363;" rowstyle="background-color: #D7D7D7;">[image01.b] Note: || The splash_inactive_bar.png has 7 embedded icons which represents the status during KDE start. || + ||<^ style="color: #636363;" rowstyle="background-color: #EBEBEB;">[image01.c] File Name + Extension: || /usr/share/apps/ksplash/Themes/X/splash_active_bar.png || + ||<^ style="color: #636363;" rowstyle="background-color: #EBEBEB;">[image01.c] Package: || fedora-logos / redhat-logos || + ||<^ style="color: #636363;" rowstyle="background-color: #EBEBEB;">[image01.c] Size: || 400x51 pixels || + ||<^ style="color: #636363;" rowstyle="background-color: #EBEBEB;">[image01.c] Colors: || No color limitations. || + ||<^ style="color: #636363;" rowstyle="background-color: #EBEBEB;">[image01.c] Note: || The splash_active_bar.png has 7 embedded icons which represents the status during KDE start. The background and the embedded icons should be the same from splash_inactive_bar.png. || + ||<^ style="color: #636363;" rowstyle="background-color: #D7D7D7;">[image01.d] File Name + Extension: || /usr/share/apps/ksplash/Themes/X/splash_bottom.png || + ||<^ style="color: #636363;" rowstyle="background-color: #D7D7D7;">[image01.d] Package: || fedora-logos / redhat-logos || + ||<^ style="color: #636363;" rowstyle="background-color: #D7D7D7;">[image01.d] Size: || 400x16 pixels || + ||<^ style="color: #636363;" rowstyle="background-color: #D7D7D7;">[image01.d] Colors: || black || + ||<-2> FC5: [[ImageLink(11fc5.png,width=120,height=90)]] FC6: [[ImageLink(11fc6.png,width=120,height=90)]] || + + == KDE Login == + ||<^ |16> [[ImageLink(12KDElogin.png)]] ||<^ style="color: #636363;"> Description: || KDE Login is comprised of one (1) preview image, one (1) background color designation, and Image01 which is the logo. || + ||<^ style="color: #636363;" rowstyle="background-color: #EBEBEB;">[01] File Name + Extension: || screenshot.png || + ||<^ style="color: #636363;" rowstyle="background-color: #EBEBEB;">[01] Package: || to be filled in || + ||<^ style="color: #636363;" rowstyle="background-color: #EBEBEB;">[01] Size: || 200x150 pixels || + ||<^ style="color: #636363;" rowstyle="background-color: #EBEBEB;">[01] Colors: || No color limitations. || + ||<^ style="color: #636363;" rowstyle="background-color: #D7D7D7;">[resource file] File Name + Extension: || Theme.rc|| + ||<^ style="color: #636363;" rowstyle="background-color: #D7D7D7;">[resource file] Package: || fedora-logos / redhat-logos || + ||<^ style="color: #636363;" rowstyle="background-color: #EBEBEB;">[image01] File Name + Extension: || to be filled in.png || + ||<^ style="color: #636363;" rowstyle="background-color: #EBEBEB;">[image01] Package: || fedora-logos / redhat-logos || + ||<^ style="color: #636363;" rowstyle="background-color: #EBEBEB;">[image01] Size: || 327x156 pixels || + ||<^ style="color: #636363;" rowstyle="background-color: #EBEBEB;">[image01] Colors: || No color limitations. || + ||<^ style="color: #636363;" rowstyle="background-color: #D7D7D7">[color01] File Name + Extension: || to be filled in || + ||<^ style="color: #636363;" rowstyle="background-color: #D7D7D7;">[color01] Package: || to be filled in || + ||<^ style="color: #636363;" rowstyle="background-color: #D7D7D7;">[color01] Specs: || Provide HEX numbers for color01. The user can change the color during KDE starting. || + ||<^> '''NOTE:''' || To be filled in.|| + ||<-2> FC5: [[ImageLink(12fc5.png,width=120,height=90)]] FC6: [[ImageLink(12fc6.png,width=120,height=90)]] || + From dfong at redhat.com Thu Dec 21 04:33:57 2006 From: dfong at redhat.com (Diana Fong) Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2006 23:33:57 -0500 Subject: Fedora 7 Art Plan (was Art Team FC7 Progress So Far - Community Feedback) In-Reply-To: <1166570803.3191.17.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1166570803.3191.17.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <458A0EB5.8000601@redhat.com> John Baer wrote: > M?ir?n & Diana, > > Can you give us some guidance as to where we are in the process? Do you > want to open our work up for suggestions by posting an entry in the > forum? > > Is there something else I can do? > > Thanks, > Hello John, et al. As this seems to be the current Fedora 7 schedule [1]. I'd like for the graphics to be mostly completed by February 12th, in time for Test2. This will give David Zeuthen and others enough time to integrate the graphics. "Mostly completed" means that there is: 1) a set look and 2) coverage of all the pieces indicated on the ReleaseGraphics [3] wiki in that style. Of course, minor polish can be accepted until Test3. So how do we get there? The FlyingHigh theme [2] proposed by John Baer has the greatest potential and interest. Time is short and there is still more exploration I would like to see within the theme so I'm declaring this the official theme for Fedora 7. Now, with that said, I would encourage everyone to take the next few weeks to experiment with different visual styles within this theme. Explore...the use of various colors, different ways of rendering, varying positioning/interaction of hot-air balloons with the sky/ground/clouds/nature, even different ways the hot-air balloon can look. I too shall be trying out various approaches over the holiday. To get a good sense of whether a particular style works, I've found it useful to contextualize the style for: 1) wallpaper 1600x1200, 2) login (GDM) mockups, 3) anaconda_header and sometimes 4) firstboot-left. On January 10th, I and other members of the Desktop team at Red Hat will reassess the variations submitted within the FlyingHigh theme and make a decision on the visual style. This decision will either be to go with a completely awesome submission or to work with the best submission artist in finalizing the look and feel during the remainder of the week. Weeks following...till February 12th will be to populate the necessary graphics for Fedora 7. [1] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-advisory-board/2006-December/msg00170.html [2] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fc7ThemeProposalFlyingHighPOC [3] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/ReleaseGraphics Diana Fong --- Red Hat Visual Designer | Desktop Group From duffy at redhat.com Thu Dec 21 04:39:04 2006 From: duffy at redhat.com (=?UTF-8?B?TcOhaXLDrW4gRHVmZnk=?=) Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2006 23:39:04 -0500 Subject: Fedora 7 Art Plan (was Art Team FC7 Progress So Far - Community Feedback) In-Reply-To: <458A0EB5.8000601@redhat.com> References: <1166570803.3191.17.camel@localhost.localdomain> <458A0EB5.8000601@redhat.com> Message-ID: <458A0FE8.2050305@redhat.com> Hello Diana, Diana Fong wrote: > John Baer wrote: >> Can you give us some guidance as to where we are in the process? Do you >> want to open our work up for suggestions by posting an entry in the >> forum? > Hello John, et al. > > As this seems to be the current Fedora 7 schedule [1]. I'd like for the > graphics to be mostly completed by February 12th, in time for Test2. That's good, since that's the deadline *I* set two weeks ago. > This will give David Zeuthen and others enough time to integrate the > graphics. "Mostly completed" means that there is: 1) a set look and 2) > coverage of all the pieces indicated on the ReleaseGraphics [3] wiki in > that style. Of course, minor polish can be accepted until Test3. > > So how do we get there? > > The FlyingHigh theme [2] proposed by John Baer has the greatest > potential and interest. Time is short and there is still more > exploration I would like to see within the theme so I'm declaring this > the official theme for Fedora 7. Under what authority? ~m From david at fubar.dk Thu Dec 21 05:28:03 2006 From: david at fubar.dk (David Zeuthen) Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2006 00:28:03 -0500 Subject: Fedora 7 Art Plan (was Art Team FC7 Progress So Far - Community Feedback) In-Reply-To: <458A0FE8.2050305@redhat.com> References: <1166570803.3191.17.camel@localhost.localdomain> <458A0EB5.8000601@redhat.com> <458A0FE8.2050305@redhat.com> Message-ID: <1166678883.2505.64.camel@zelda.fubar.dk> Hi M?ir?n (and list), As the person who's responsible for packaging up the artwork into a form so it can be in a release I thought I'd chime in. I believe I have a bit to say as I will be working with this community to make Fedora 7 kick ass art-wise. As a matter of introduction for the list, I work for Red Hat on the desktop team and work on integrating the kernel/base system with the desktop. I also maintain the artwork packages. I've been lurking on this list since it's inception and following the progress of the community forming... mostly in my spare time... cuz I and others (like Diana and M?ir?n) been busy with other things than Fedora, namely getting RHEL5 out of the door etc. I try to help where I can. Enough about me :-) On Wed, 2006-12-20 at 23:39 -0500, M?ir?n Duffy wrote: > > As this seems to be the current Fedora 7 schedule [1]. I'd like for the > > graphics to be mostly completed by February 12th, in time for Test2. > > That's good, since that's the deadline *I* set two weeks ago. (So.. it's a bit ironic you just said in the other mail just earlier this evening "this is a community project!" and now refer to a deadline *you* set... which, AFAICT, is only to "Visually refine the concepts gathered in round 1. You vote for your favorite(s) with your time and effort."... which is radically different from what Diana is suggesting. That's besides the point of my mail then, hence the parenthesis... ) I've been reading the various proposals on the list and I wasn't really sure exactly what the process was; I think it's great we have community involvement but a thing like visuals isn't something that is to be voted on or some of the other suggestions that came up. That worried me a bit. If you ask me, I think what is needed is an individual, a benevolent dictator if you like, that sets the direction and facilitates community contributions. There's an expression along the lines of "too many cooks ruin the meal" [1] and I think especially for visuals it's very true. If you look at John's mail I think it echoes this need too... a need for a project maintainer / coordinator. To me it's obvious that Diana (for a lot of good reasons including skills, training and her past track record) is this person, also partly because she's employed by Red Hat to do exactly this... and hence have much more time than to do this than anyone else. FWIW, I was happy to see Diana post a concise plan that made sense to me. [1] : might translate bad; I'm a foreigner > > This will give David Zeuthen and others enough time to integrate the > > graphics. "Mostly completed" means that there is: 1) a set look and 2) > > coverage of all the pieces indicated on the ReleaseGraphics [3] wiki in > > that style. Of course, minor polish can be accepted until Test3. > > > > So how do we get there? > > > > The FlyingHigh theme [2] proposed by John Baer has the greatest > > potential and interest. Time is short and there is still more > > exploration I would like to see within the theme so I'm declaring this > > the official theme for Fedora 7. > > Under what authority? It seems to me somewhat that you're turning this into a fight over power and who gets to call the shots. Most projects in our Fedora universe have maintainers and leaders; why is it any different for artwork and why should it be a problem? Thanks, David p.s. : somewhat off-topic.. however a bit on-topic for this.. it's interesting to look at other distributions, for example did you see what happened to Ubuntu's artwork during their last release? http://www.osnews.com/story.php?news_id=16491 From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Thu Dec 21 07:33:15 2006 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2006 09:33:15 +0200 Subject: Fedora 7 Art Plan (was Art Team FC7 Progress So Far - Community Feedback) In-Reply-To: <1166678883.2505.64.camel@zelda.fubar.dk> References: <1166570803.3191.17.camel@localhost.localdomain> <458A0EB5.8000601@redhat.com> <458A0FE8.2050305@redhat.com> <1166678883.2505.64.camel@zelda.fubar.dk> Message-ID: <458A38BB.9020709@nicubunu.ro> David Zeuthen wrote: > > On Wed, 2006-12-20 at 23:39 -0500, M?ir?n Duffy wrote: > > (So.. it's a bit ironic you just said in the other mail just earlier > this evening "this is a community project!" and now refer to a deadline > *you* set... Well, Mairin proposed a plan for Round 2, *I* asked for a deadline, Mairin said a date and nobody objected. It sounds like a community process to me... > If you ask me, I think what is needed is an individual, a benevolent > dictator if you like, that sets the direction and facilitates community > contributions. There's an expression along the lines of "too many cooks > ruin the meal" [1] and I think especially for visuals it's very true. If > you look at John's mail I think it echoes this need too... a need for a > project maintainer / coordinator. > >> Under what authority? > > It seems to me somewhat that you're turning this into a fight over power > and who gets to call the shots. Most projects in our Fedora universe > have maintainers and leaders; why is it any different for artwork and > why should it be a problem? Please refer to this Fedora board meeting: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Board/Meetings/2006-11-20?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=fedora-board-20061120.txt Quote: [Mon Nov 20 2006] [12:06:58] topic 1 -- art. Leadership needs to be defined [Mon Nov 20 2006] [12:07:06] clearly the two largest leaders have been Maureen Duffy and Diana Fong [Mon Nov 20 2006] [12:07:37] there was a conversation last week with Diana in which she offered to put together some policy and structure around the use of people who are doing mockups, ideas, etc. of the Fedora Mark. [Mon Nov 20 2006] [12:08:09] mspevack, I recall Maureen did quite a bit of work related to that in the past. was she in the discussion? [Mon Nov 20 2006] [12:08:42] What the Board wants to do is identify one person who can be the clear leader of the art project. Max will talk with Maureen and Diana both, make sure they are on the same page, see who wants to do what, etc. So yes, everyone agrees about Fedora Art needing leadership but AFAIK there was no resolution yet. Or it was decided and we, the one who should be lead were not informed about it... > p.s. : somewhat off-topic.. however a bit on-topic for this.. it's > interesting to look at other distributions, for example did you see what > happened to Ubuntu's artwork during their last release? Or it could be the other way: contributors unhappy with the leadership starting to pursue different venues for the time being. Note: my position should not be read as being against the FlyingHigh theme. -- nicu Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From wtogami at redhat.com Thu Dec 21 08:45:31 2006 From: wtogami at redhat.com (Warren Togami) Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2006 03:45:31 -0500 Subject: Fedora 7 Art Plan (was Art Team FC7 Progress So Far - Community Feedback) In-Reply-To: <458A38BB.9020709@nicubunu.ro> References: <1166570803.3191.17.camel@localhost.localdomain> <458A0EB5.8000601@redhat.com> <458A0FE8.2050305@redhat.com> <1166678883.2505.64.camel@zelda.fubar.dk> <458A38BB.9020709@nicubunu.ro> Message-ID: <458A49AB.6050205@redhat.com> Nicu Buculei wrote: > > Note: my position should not be read as being against the FlyingHigh theme. > I suspect the concerns here are not opposition to the FlyingHigh theme specifically, but rather the attitudes and possible heavy-handedness in subverting what should be a community process. Perhaps a community process would end up further developing and accepting the FlyingHigh theme, or some other theme. It appears that this sub-project is suffering from an intractable difference of opinion. In such cases, issues must be escalated to the Fedora Project Board for a decision of how to move forward. The FPB has asked Max to deal with this, and Max says that he will do so during this Thursday. Warren Togami wtogami at redhat.com From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Thu Dec 21 08:51:42 2006 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2006 10:51:42 +0200 Subject: Fedora 7 Art Plan (was Art Team FC7 Progress So Far - Community Feedback) In-Reply-To: <458A49AB.6050205@redhat.com> References: <1166570803.3191.17.camel@localhost.localdomain> <458A0EB5.8000601@redhat.com> <458A0FE8.2050305@redhat.com> <1166678883.2505.64.camel@zelda.fubar.dk> <458A38BB.9020709@nicubunu.ro> <458A49AB.6050205@redhat.com> Message-ID: <458A4B1E.5010502@nicubunu.ro> Warren Togami wrote: > > It appears that this sub-project is suffering from an intractable > difference of opinion. In such cases, issues must be escalated to the > Fedora Project Board for a decision of how to move forward. The FPB has > asked Max to deal with this, and Max says that he will do so during this > Thursday. Thank you, Warren. -- nicu Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From jfrieben at gmx.de Thu Dec 21 10:06:42 2006 From: jfrieben at gmx.de (Joachim Frieben) Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2006 11:06:42 +0100 Subject: Fedora 7 Art Plan (was Art Team FC7 Progress So Far - Community Feedback) In-Reply-To: <458A0FE8.2050305@redhat.com> References: <1166570803.3191.17.camel@localhost.localdomain> <458A0EB5.8000601@redhat.com> <458A0FE8.2050305@redhat.com> Message-ID: <20061221100642.222130@gmx.net> > > The FlyingHigh theme [2] proposed by John Baer has the greatest > > potential and interest. Time is short and there is still more > > exploration I would like to see within the theme so I'm declaring this > > the official theme for Fedora 7. > > Under what authority? > > ~m I'm a mere user only but I want to express my clear support for the "Borealis" theme proposal. From the couple of mock-ups available at http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fc7ThemeProposalFedoraBorealis I perceive a friendly and in the same time pofessional and polished look. The overall brightness is just right, and in particular, it has the right balance between bling and unobtrusiveness. People frequently seem to forget that the desktop is only the ground upon which your own work thrives. In this respect, many and even most proposals are far too pushy or even somehow infantile. Maybe there should be a poll or similar. Right know, I can only wonder what would make "FlyingHigh" the preferred candiate apart from the shere number of successive [more or less successful] drafts. It's quite ok for a layman's work but it looks fairly amateurish compared to "FedoraBorealis". [And please do not respond by bullying me to contribute make "FlyingHigh" an "even better" theme. Even a mere user has the right to make a statement only which is a legitimate way of contributing, too.] -- Der GMX SmartSurfer hilft bis zu 70% Ihrer Onlinekosten zu sparen! Ideal f?r Modem und ISDN: http://www.gmx.net/de/go/smartsurfer From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Thu Dec 21 10:30:22 2006 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2006 12:30:22 +0200 Subject: Fedora 7 Art Plan (was Art Team FC7 Progress So Far - Community Feedback) In-Reply-To: <20061221100642.222130@gmx.net> References: <1166570803.3191.17.camel@localhost.localdomain> <458A0EB5.8000601@redhat.com> <458A0FE8.2050305@redhat.com> <20061221100642.222130@gmx.net> Message-ID: <458A623E.20101@nicubunu.ro> Joachim Frieben wrote: >>> The FlyingHigh theme [2] proposed by John Baer has the greatest >>> potential and interest. Time is short and there is still more >>> exploration I would like to see within the theme so I'm declaring this >>> the official theme for Fedora 7. >> Under what authority? > > I'm a mere user only but I want to express my clear support for the "Borealis" theme proposal. I think what we are talking about is not a specific theme but the *process* of selecting the theme and the *authority* governing the process. > Maybe there should be a poll or similar. There is a kind of poll: the voters are the contributors to the project and the voting method is contributing in some way to a proposal or another. > And please do not respond by bullying me to contribute make "FlyingHigh" an "even better" theme. Nope, if you like "Borealis", contribute to make *it* a better theme :p > Even a mere user has the right to make a statement only which is a legitimate way of contributing, too. Sure, constructive feedback and meaningful comments are valid contributions. -- nicu Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From jfrieben at gmx.de Thu Dec 21 11:02:10 2006 From: jfrieben at gmx.de (Joachim Frieben) Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2006 12:02:10 +0100 Subject: Fedora 7 Art Plan (was Art Team FC7 Progress So Far - Community Feedback) In-Reply-To: <458A623E.20101@nicubunu.ro> References: <1166570803.3191.17.camel@localhost.localdomain> <458A0EB5.8000601@redhat.com> <458A0FE8.2050305@redhat.com> <20061221100642.222130@gmx.net> <458A623E.20101@nicubunu.ro> Message-ID: <20061221110210.46250@gmx.net> -------- Original-Message -------- Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2006 12:30:22 +0200 From: Nicu Buculei To: "Discussions about the artwork included with Fedora, including icons, > > Maybe there should be a poll or similar. > > There is a kind of poll: the voters are the contributors to the project > and the voting method is contributing in some way to a proposal or > another. This is not intelligible, as in my eyes, the "Borealis" theme was ready for release from the first draft on. So if there are no contributors since there is nothing to contribute left, one can hardly interpret this lack as a vote against the proposal! -- Der GMX SmartSurfer hilft bis zu 70% Ihrer Onlinekosten zu sparen! Ideal f?r Modem und ISDN: http://www.gmx.net/de/go/smartsurfer From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Thu Dec 21 11:46:56 2006 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2006 13:46:56 +0200 Subject: Fedora 7 Art Plan (was Art Team FC7 Progress So Far - Community Feedback) In-Reply-To: <20061221110210.46250@gmx.net> References: <1166570803.3191.17.camel@localhost.localdomain> <458A0EB5.8000601@redhat.com> <458A0FE8.2050305@redhat.com> <20061221100642.222130@gmx.net> <458A623E.20101@nicubunu.ro> <20061221110210.46250@gmx.net> Message-ID: <458A7430.4090503@nicubunu.ro> Joachim Frieben wrote: > From: Nicu Buculei > >>> Maybe there should be a poll or similar. >> There is a kind of poll: the voters are the contributors to the project >> and the voting method is contributing in some way to a proposal or >> another. > > This is not intelligible, as in my eyes, the "Borealis" theme was ready for release from the first draft on. So if there are no contributors since there is nothing to contribute left, one can hardly interpret this lack as a vote against the proposal! "nothing to contribute left" is not correct. Even if the design of the first mockup was perfect, a wallpaper is not a theme, a lot of other things are needed and they do not look the same, simply because of image size, aspect ratio, number of colours and other constraints. Having a good image for the wallpaper does not automatically make it suitable for the GRUB splash or Anaconda banner. Even if a theme is complete and perfect from the first try, there is still need of people to back it and say "this is the theme we should use" (just like you said). BTW, I like better the variants from Round 2 (the "Some More" section of the Borealis page), the initial one is too plain (which is normal for a mockup). -- nicu Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From dfong at redhat.com Thu Dec 21 15:44:48 2006 From: dfong at redhat.com (Diana Fong) Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2006 10:44:48 -0500 Subject: [Fwd: [Fedora Project Wiki] Update of "Artwork/ReleaseGraphics" by DianaFong] In-Reply-To: <458A0DBE.4020202@redhat.com> References: <458A0DBE.4020202@redhat.com> Message-ID: <458AABF0.90801@redhat.com> M?ir?n Duffy wrote: > May I ask *why* we now have two pages for essentially the same thing? > > I was under the impression that the second page was created as a draft > to merge so I took the time to merge the two since they had a lot of > redundant information. Now there's two pages again. > > I just don't understand. > > ~m As per my original email in introducing the ReleaseGraphics page [1], I believe paragraph three explains: 1) my creation of a new page, 2) why I had not overwritten the ThemingOverview page, and 3) a proposal for what the ThemingOverview page could be for. Nobody objected, rather...Rahul commented that it made sense [2], and you yourself suggested linking it to the front Artwork page [3]. Hope this clarifies any misunderstandings. [1] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-art-list/2006-December/msg00039.html [2] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-art-list/2006-December/msg00062.html [3] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-art-list/2006-December/msg00042.html Diana Fong --- Red Hat Visual Designer | Desktop Group From david at fubar.dk Thu Dec 21 16:24:31 2006 From: david at fubar.dk (David Zeuthen) Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2006 11:24:31 -0500 Subject: Fedora 7 Art Plan (was Art Team FC7 Progress So Far - Community Feedback) In-Reply-To: <458A49AB.6050205@redhat.com> References: <1166570803.3191.17.camel@localhost.localdomain> <458A0EB5.8000601@redhat.com> <458A0FE8.2050305@redhat.com> <1166678883.2505.64.camel@zelda.fubar.dk> <458A38BB.9020709@nicubunu.ro> <458A49AB.6050205@redhat.com> Message-ID: <1166718271.2504.18.camel@zelda.fubar.dk> On Thu, 2006-12-21 at 03:45 -0500, Warren Togami wrote: > It appears that this sub-project is suffering from an intractable > difference of opinion. In such cases, issues must be escalated to the > Fedora Project Board for a decision of how to move forward. The FPB has > asked Max to deal with this, and Max says that he will do so during this > Thursday. This is good and, for the record, I asked Max to intervene too. Hopefully the Fedora leadership can finally step up so we can all get some closure instead of all fighting within. That's really all I'm asking for as I need to be involved in packaging the bits up. David From duffy at redhat.com Thu Dec 21 16:27:31 2006 From: duffy at redhat.com (=?UTF-8?B?TcOhaXLDrW4gRHVmZnk=?=) Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2006 11:27:31 -0500 Subject: [Fwd: [Fedora Project Wiki] Update of "Artwork/ReleaseGraphics" by DianaFong] In-Reply-To: <458AABF0.90801@redhat.com> References: <458A0DBE.4020202@redhat.com> <458AABF0.90801@redhat.com> Message-ID: <458AB5F3.2040600@redhat.com> Hello Diana, Diana Fong wrote: > M?ir?n Duffy wrote: >> May I ask *why* we now have two pages for essentially the same thing? > As per my original email in introducing the ReleaseGraphics page [1], I > believe paragraph three explains: 1) my creation of a new page, 2) why I > had not overwritten the ThemingOverview page, and 3) a proposal for what > the ThemingOverview page could be for. Nobody objected, rather...Rahul > commented that it made sense [2], and you yourself suggested linking it > to the front Artwork page [3]. > > Hope this clarifies any misunderstandings. I hate to say it really doesn't. Those don't explain why you would take a wiki page that is nearly a year old (and likely has internal and external links pointing to it), duplicate and modify its content, and fail to credit those who created the original content and actually take full credit for the content itself. To your points: 1) ThemingOverview was already available and already had that information. Why not just improve ThemingOverview? 2) Why not rearrange the information or move it to another page? It would make sense to have release-specific and non-release specific sections on the page. 3) You want to revamp ThemingOverview to link to a new page that was created just like it, and replace the ThemingOverview content with information that doesn't have to do with the theming for a release. Why? Why not create the new page with the additional information, move the non release-specific theming information to that page, and then link them together? Here are the reasons I merged the two pages back together: 1) All the information in one place for contributors so it's easy to find and use. 2) All of the historical information on contribution to the page is in the page history which started close to a year ago. The other page was newer and had far fewer edits to preserve. 3) It's the older page so any external links that pointed to it will still be able to find the information. I hope this clarifies why I merged the two pages together, hoping the content could live at the older URL and why I was disappointed to see the other page spring up again. ~m From mspevack at redhat.com Thu Dec 21 19:50:54 2006 From: mspevack at redhat.com (Max Spevack) Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2006 14:50:54 -0500 (EST) Subject: how decisions are made in fedora art Message-ID: *NOTE* -- this is a long email, but I hope ultimately that anyone who reads it will find it wasn't a waste of time. === Where I am coming from === In case some of the folks on this list don't know me, I'm Max Spevack. My job is "Fedora Project Leader" and insofar as that makes me ultimately accountable for everything that either does or does not happen in Fedora, I've been asked by a few different people to jump in on this list and try to help with the decision making process. I am not particularly active on this list. I am not an artist, nor am I here to tell anyone "this art is good and this art is not as good". I liked the FC5 art. I like the FC6 art. I trust that the Fedora 7 art will also be great. But what I am interested in is making sure that all of the various Fedora sub-projects are able to make progress, work toward their goals, etc. And to do so in a way that is consistent with the community, meritocracy, etc. ideas of Fedora. So I shall try to help in that regard. === What is Fedora Art trying to do? === What is certain to be an incomplete picture: (1) Develop the different pieces of a desktop theme (icons, backgrounds), ultimately resulting in an "official theme" for each release. (2) Explore new ideas in icons or fonts, keeping up with the latest developments in the OSS world in this regard. Here I'm thinking about the work that was done in switching our default font for FC6. (3) Misc artwork as needed, based on whatever the "current theme" is. Here I'm thinking about the artwork for the DVDs, wallpapers, etc. (4) Legal issues around all of this stuff. (5) Expanding itself and attracting more talented folks to contribute. (6) Whatever other stuff I'm not thinking about. === Who cares deeply about the results? === One source of conflit within many Fedora sub-projects comes from the fact that the work being produced by our dedicated contributors is being used by multiple other groups. Fedora artwork is no different. (1) Red Hat's desktop team, led by Jonathan Blandford, is responsible for the look and feel of the desktop on Red Hat products. To that extent, they want to be able to have some input into what the overall Fedora desktop experience will be like in a given release. This group of people want to make sure that the desktop "looks good". (2) David Zeuthen, who is the package maintainer of the desktop artwork. He cares about the end result insofar as he needs to know what to package up, and he needs to know that when he spends the time to build that package, the artwork that he's pulling in is "blessed" and won't have to change a bunch of times. Furthermore, he wants to make sure that the desktop "looks good". (3) Me (and the Fedora Board). I'm held accountable by Red Hat for *everything* that carries the Fedora name. So like I said above, I want to make sure that the community that we build around Fedora Art is a good one, and I believe that the results we get out of the community will end with the desktop "looking good." (4) The volunteers and contributors who work directly on the Fedora art. The actual artists who actually *create art*. You all want to make sure that the Fedora desktop "looks good." And while it may sound silly to repeat it, I will draw your attention to the fact that *everyone* involved wants the same end result. The conflict is in what the best way to achieve that end result is. === The Fedora 7 theme === I was very pleased to see Maureen Duffy's work in the Fedora 7 theme creation process (Artwork/FC7Themes). The open submission window, the voting among the community of the favorite ones, and then the refinement of those themes and ultimate selection of a winner, from which the remaining details then get worked out. I think that is the only way to handle the theme selection that is in the spirit of how we try to do things in the Fedora Project. I think that Jonathan Blandford's team (whether that be Jonathan himself or one of the people who works for him) should be able to offer input and opinions, as should all of the other contributors and volunteers in the Fedora Art project. Obviously I can look at all of the themes, and I have one or two that I think are the "best", but I think the process that has been ongoing is *sure* to produce a result that everyone will be happy with (ie: the desktop will "look good"), if we have the guts to see the process through to the end. I would like to see Maureen continue leading the Fedora 7 theme selection process as she has been, and as the "leading candidates" emerge, if there are specific questions (from an artistic or implementation perspective) about the themes, I'd like to see them discussed and hashed out on this list. === Overall Fedora Art leadership === The conversations around the Fedora 7 theme are just one part of what the Art team's larger goals are (as discussed way above). Overall leadership of the Fedora Art project is needed. I would like very much to see the community of contributors who are most active in Fedora Art nominate their own leader, and have the Fedora Board approve of that choice, rather than have me (speaking for the Fedora Board) simply appoint someone the leader (but I will if I have to). I prefer to let a group like Fedora Art choose its own leader because that is most likely to end with a person who has the respect of the group being in charge -- someone who has earned the right via the meritocracy that we always talk about. The leadership job, as with any, will not be an easy one. You'll have to look at all of the different goals of Fedora Art project and see to it that progress is being made on all of them. If that involves immediately delegating that responsibility to someone else, that's fine. But the Fedora Board expects that the project will run itself in a way that is in line with the Fedora ideals -- open decision making, transparency, etc. The leadership positions in the Fedora sub-projects are all the same. Look at the job description for the Fedora Infrastructure Leader on the wiki's Careers page -- the *details* are different between that project and this one, but the *spirit* of the job is the same thing. Every Fedora project needs someone like this. You'll have to be the person who makes a touch decision, the person who reaches out to all the different groups that I talked about who are vested in the results of Fedora Art, and make sure that they feel like they have all had an opportunity to offer input and contribute. And in the case of Fedora Art specifically, I think the job will also require some peacemaking, and trying to get everyone to give things a fresh start, a blank canvas, pick your cliche. Who wants to do that job? As a community, who do you nominate for this position? ========== I am on vacation myself right now, so I won't be on my email constantly. But I'll check this thread again in a day or two and see what sort of responses this email has generated. Hopefully it's the first step on the path to making things better, and I'm not just fanning the flames. -- Max Spevack + http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/MaxSpevack + gpg key -- http://spevack.org/max.asc + fingerprint -- CD52 5E72 369B B00D 9E9A 773E 2FDB CB46 5A17 CF21 From dfong at redhat.com Thu Dec 21 20:20:04 2006 From: dfong at redhat.com (Diana Fong) Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2006 15:20:04 -0500 Subject: [Fwd: [Fedora Project Wiki] Update of "Artwork/ReleaseGraphics" by DianaFong] In-Reply-To: <458AB5F3.2040600@redhat.com> References: <458A0DBE.4020202@redhat.com> <458AABF0.90801@redhat.com> <458AB5F3.2040600@redhat.com> Message-ID: <458AEC74.4090303@redhat.com> M?ir?n Duffy wrote: > Diana Fong wrote: >> M?ir?n Duffy wrote: >>> May I ask *why* we now have two pages for essentially the same thing? >> As per my original email in introducing the ReleaseGraphics page [1], >> I believe paragraph three explains: 1) my creation of a new page, 2) >> why I had not overwritten the ThemingOverview page, and 3) a proposal >> for what the ThemingOverview page could be for. Nobody objected, >> rather...Rahul commented that it made sense [2], and you yourself >> suggested linking it to the front Artwork page [3]. >> >> Hope this clarifies any misunderstandings. > > I hate to say it really doesn't. Those don't explain why you would > take a wiki page that is nearly a year old (and likely has internal > and external links pointing to it), duplicate and modify its content, > and fail to credit those who created the original content and actually > take full credit for the content itself. - M?ir?n ReleaseGraphics was created with the aim of providing a clear listing of the pieces and set of specifications of what I, as Visual Designer of the Red Hat Desktop Team, make sure exists at each release. The specifications listed were those provided to me by my team lead Matthias Clasen, Jeremy Katz, and Than Ngo, throughout my years as the art maintainer at Red Hat Desktop and also to further supplement the creation of the ReleaseGraphics page. This page is to provide those interested in creating a complete set of release graphics for consideration in inclusion of Fedora by myself and the Desktop team. I took full responsibility of the content. Thus requesting that modifications be discussed on Fedora-art-list or sent to me first so that I may confirm with the engineers whom the images would be distributed to. Being that this directly relates to my role within Red Hat's Desktop Group (as I go through this process several times for RHEL releases) I will ultimately be the one responsible for providing the team with the necessary usable graphics. Therefore, if the creator follows the specs I've complied on that page, I would be responsible in seeing that it works for the engineers and any errors would not be of the creator who had followed my recommendations. And so with deviations and personal comments, I take responsibility of the content of the page with Release Graphic information separate of all other specs that a general ThemingOverview page should include. The page includes pieces from many people, I did not credit nor do I take credit. However, I am responsible for the quality of graphics that makes it in for each release, so with the opening of the Release design...the ReleaseGraphics page is therefore a guide and checklist for design interested in being a useful set for the release. I hope that this clarifies our situation and I apologize if this is disappointing to you. If you feel that ReleaseGraphics was a duplication without a year long history, then please feel free to revert back to the original ThemingOverview version. I created ReleaseGraphics for those interested in understanding/creating the various pieces needed for a complete useful Themed Release set. Diana Fong --- Red Hat Visual Designer | Desktop Group From sdl.web at gmail.com Thu Dec 21 20:43:17 2006 From: sdl.web at gmail.com (Leo) Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2006 20:43:17 +0000 Subject: how decisions are made in fedora art References: Message-ID: * Max Spevack (2006-12-21 14:50 -0500) said: ^^^^^^^^^^^ > === Overall Fedora Art leadership === > > The conversations around the Fedora 7 theme are just one part of what > the Art team's larger goals are (as discussed way above). > > Overall leadership of the Fedora Art project is needed. Very happy to hear this. I had a similar thought on 17 Oct?. [...] > And in the case of Fedora Art specifically, I think the job will also > require some peacemaking, and trying to get everyone to give things a > fresh start, a blank canvas, pick your cliche. > > Who wants to do that job? As a community, who do you nominate for > this position? I think the art work can be divided into two parts: o Distribution wise (everything before user login) Grub, gdm, wallpaper, rhgb, anaconda etc This is where the community mainly focuses. Maureen Duffy, Nicu Buculei o Desktop wise Window manager (metacity, kwin), toolkit(gtk2, qt), icons etc. Dianna Fong (as the new icon theme initiator and main contributor) Footnotes: ? http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.linux.redhat.fedora.artwork/360/focus=364 -- Leo (GPG Key: 9283AA3F) From duffy at redhat.com Thu Dec 21 20:46:53 2006 From: duffy at redhat.com (=?UTF-8?B?TcOhaXLDrW4gRHVmZnk=?=) Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2006 15:46:53 -0500 Subject: [Fwd: [Fedora Project Wiki] Update of "Artwork/ReleaseGraphics" by DianaFong] In-Reply-To: <458AEC74.4090303@redhat.com> References: <458A0DBE.4020202@redhat.com> <458AABF0.90801@redhat.com> <458AB5F3.2040600@redhat.com> <458AEC74.4090303@redhat.com> Message-ID: <458AF2BD.4020504@redhat.com> Diana Fong wrote: > - M?ir?n > > ReleaseGraphics was created with the aim of providing a clear listing of > the pieces and set of specifications of what I, as Visual Designer of > the Red Hat Desktop Team, make sure exists at each release. The > specifications listed were those provided to me by my team lead Matthias > Clasen, Jeremy Katz, and Than Ngo, throughout my years as the art > maintainer at Red Hat Desktop and also to further supplement the > creation of the ReleaseGraphics page. Also word-for-word notes that I wrote for the ThemingOverview page somehow leaked in (eg notes on testing GDM themes) and were miscredited. Don't worry though, I've removed my contributions so you don't have to worry about that anymore. > This page is to provide those > interested in creating a complete set of release graphics for > consideration in inclusion of Fedora by myself and the Desktop team. That's great. That aim was already accomplished by the original ThemingOverview page, which I might add you also contributed to a while ago. > I took full responsibility of the content. Thus requesting that > modifications be discussed on Fedora-art-list or sent to me first so > that I may confirm with the engineers whom the images would be > distributed to. Except: (1) that's not the way wikis work, if you've signed the CLA you don't need permission to make modifications and improvements to pages, (2) the specifications you contributed yourself had errors so obviously you're not fact and error-checking before you post things (check the history of ReleaseGraphics) and you did not discuss your plan with the list before going ahead and just doing it, (3) there are others on the list perfectly capable of fact-checking with either RH package maintainers or upstream package maintainers. Creating and discussing theme elements and their specifications is not that complicated. I've discussed GDM theme issues with Brian Cameron, the upstream maintainer of GDM, and discovered our themes up to this point have had accessibility issues we should address for FC7. This is an open community and people aren't really that hard to get a hold of. > Being that this directly relates to my role within Red > Hat's Desktop Group (as I go through this process several times for RHEL > releases) I will ultimately be the one responsible for providing the > team with the necessary usable graphics. Therefore, if the creator > follows the specs I've complied on that page, I would be responsible in > seeing that it works for the engineers and any errors would not be of > the creator who had followed my recommendations. I don't really see how that has anything to do with these wiki pages. Ok, so you want us community folk to submit art that makes it easier for you to prepare to hand it off to the engineers. That's cool. Why not do this on the community-created and contributed page on the wiki rather than creating your own bubble? Was that page not good enough? Was it too difficult to contribute to? Was it really beyond repair? > And so with deviations and personal comments, I take responsibility of > the content of the page with Release Graphic information separate of all > other specs that a general ThemingOverview page should include. The page > includes pieces from many people, I did not credit nor do I take > credit. "These are the notes and specifications I've accumulated from having completed 4-5 release designs." --Artwork/ReleaseGraphics > I created ReleaseGraphics > for those interested in understanding/creating the various pieces needed > for a complete useful Themed Release set. How did ThemingOverview not serve that purpose? That's what I don't get. ~m From dfong at redhat.com Thu Dec 21 22:38:29 2006 From: dfong at redhat.com (Diana Fong) Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2006 17:38:29 -0500 Subject: [Fwd: [Fedora Project Wiki] Update of "Artwork/ReleaseGraphics" by DianaFong] In-Reply-To: <458AF2BD.4020504@redhat.com> References: <458A0DBE.4020202@redhat.com> <458AABF0.90801@redhat.com> <458AB5F3.2040600@redhat.com> <458AEC74.4090303@redhat.com> <458AF2BD.4020504@redhat.com> Message-ID: <458B0CE5.1030603@redhat.com> M?ir?n Duffy wrote: > Diana Fong wrote: > > Also word-for-word notes that I wrote for the ThemingOverview page > somehow leaked in (eg notes on testing GDM themes) and were > miscredited. Don't worry though, I've removed my contributions so you > don't have to worry about that anymore. Looks like you missed a few. > (1) that's not the way wikis work, if you've signed the CLA you don't > need permission to make modifications and improvements to pages, > > (2) the specifications you contributed yourself had errors so > obviously you're not fact and error-checking before you post things > (check the history of ReleaseGraphics) and you did not discuss your > plan with the list before going ahead and just doing it, > > (3) there are others on the list perfectly capable of fact-checking > with either RH package maintainers or upstream package maintainers. > Creating and discussing theme elements and their specifications is not > that complicated. I've discussed GDM theme issues with Brian Cameron, > the upstream maintainer of GDM, and discovered our themes up to this > point have had accessibility issues we should address for FC7. This is > an open community and people aren't really that hard to get a hold of. In (1) you say permission isn't needed and then in (2) you say i needed to check before doing. I checked information with the people directly involved with taking the graphics on the Desktop team for our specific distro. Fact-checking by others is fine, but as I also follow these specs for RHEL graphics and the last two FC releases, it would be advantageous to check with me and our engineers as we are the people responsible for the end product. And if, as you say in (3) is true, that this is an open community and people aren't really that hard to get a hold of, then it should not be a problem. >> Being that this directly relates to my role within Red Hat's Desktop >> Group (as I go through this process several times for RHEL releases) >> I will ultimately be the one responsible for providing the team with >> the necessary usable graphics. Therefore, if the creator >> follows the specs I've complied on that page, I would be responsible >> in seeing that it works for the engineers and any errors would not be >> of the creator who had followed my recommendations. > > I don't really see how that has anything to do with these wiki pages. > Ok, so you want us community folk to submit art that makes it easier > for you to prepare to hand it off to the engineers. That's cool. Why > not do this on the community-created and contributed page on the wiki > rather than creating your own bubble? If also by submitting patches for applications you are also making it easier for the maintainer...then yes, I want for there to be as little incompatibility and missing images as possible when I approve the images and hand it off to the engineers. It's no different than when submitting source code patches to a project maintainer; there's review and ping-pong to ensure that it fits in with the rest of the codebase. My own bubble is comprised of the Red Hat Desktop Engineers which, like myself, have themed several releases. All the information combined to make ReleaseGraphics was to provide the Fedora Artists with a better understanding of what is needed by people who do this regularly. >> And so with deviations and personal comments, I take responsibility >> of the content of the page with Release Graphic information separate >> of all other specs that a general ThemingOverview page should >> include. The page includes pieces from many people, I did not credit >> nor do I take credit. > > "These are the notes and specifications I've accumulated from having > completed 4-5 release designs." --Artwork/ReleaseGraphics Precisely...notes and specifications I've accumulated from having completed 4-5 release designs. Diana Fong --- Red Hat Visual Designer | Desktop Group From duffy at redhat.com Fri Dec 22 01:40:09 2006 From: duffy at redhat.com (=?UTF-8?B?TcOhaXLDrW4gRHVmZnk=?=) Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2006 20:40:09 -0500 Subject: [Fwd: [Fedora Project Wiki] Update of "Artwork/ReleaseGraphics" by DianaFong] In-Reply-To: <458B0CE5.1030603@redhat.com> References: <458A0DBE.4020202@redhat.com> <458AABF0.90801@redhat.com> <458AB5F3.2040600@redhat.com> <458AEC74.4090303@redhat.com> <458AF2BD.4020504@redhat.com> <458B0CE5.1030603@redhat.com> Message-ID: <458B3779.3060001@redhat.com> Diana Fong wrote: > M?ir?n Duffy wrote: >> Diana Fong wrote: >> >> Also word-for-word notes that I wrote for the ThemingOverview page >> somehow leaked in (eg notes on testing GDM themes) and were >> miscredited. Don't worry though, I've removed my contributions so you >> don't have to worry about that anymore. > > Looks like you missed a few. > >> (1) that's not the way wikis work, if you've signed the CLA you don't >> need permission to make modifications and improvements to pages, >> >> (2) the specifications you contributed yourself had errors so >> obviously you're not fact and error-checking before you post things >> (check the history of ReleaseGraphics) and you did not discuss your >> plan with the list before going ahead and just doing it, >> >> (3) there are others on the list perfectly capable of fact-checking >> with either RH package maintainers or upstream package maintainers. >> Creating and discussing theme elements and their specifications is not >> that complicated. I've discussed GDM theme issues with Brian Cameron, >> the upstream maintainer of GDM, and discovered our themes up to this >> point have had accessibility issues we should address for FC7. This is >> an open community and people aren't really that hard to get a hold of. > > In (1) you say permission isn't needed and then in (2) you say i needed > to check before doing. I checked information with the people directly > involved with taking the graphics on the Desktop team for our specific > distro. Fact-checking by others is fine, but as I also follow these > specs for RHEL graphics and the last two FC releases, it would be > advantageous to check with me and our engineers as we are the people > responsible for the end product. And if, as you say in (3) is true, > that this is an open community and people aren't really that hard to get > a hold of, then it should not be a problem. > >>> Being that this directly relates to my role within Red Hat's Desktop >>> Group (as I go through this process several times for RHEL releases) >>> I will ultimately be the one responsible for providing the team with >>> the necessary usable graphics. Therefore, if the creator >>> follows the specs I've complied on that page, I would be responsible >>> in seeing that it works for the engineers and any errors would not be >>> of the creator who had followed my recommendations. >> >> I don't really see how that has anything to do with these wiki pages. >> Ok, so you want us community folk to submit art that makes it easier >> for you to prepare to hand it off to the engineers. That's cool. Why >> not do this on the community-created and contributed page on the wiki >> rather than creating your own bubble? > > If also by submitting patches for applications you are also making it > easier for the maintainer...then yes, I want for there to be as little > incompatibility and missing images as possible when I approve the images > and hand it off to the engineers. It's no different than when > submitting source code patches to a project maintainer; there's review > and ping-pong to ensure that it fits in with the rest of the codebase. > My own bubble is comprised of the Red Hat Desktop Engineers which, like > myself, have themed several releases. All the information combined to > make ReleaseGraphics was to provide the Fedora Artists with a better > understanding of what is needed by people who do this regularly. > >>> And so with deviations and personal comments, I take responsibility >>> of the content of the page with Release Graphic information separate >>> of all other specs that a general ThemingOverview page should >>> include. The page includes pieces from many people, I did not credit >>> nor do I take credit. >> >> "These are the notes and specifications I've accumulated from having >> completed 4-5 release designs." --Artwork/ReleaseGraphics > > Precisely...notes and specifications I've accumulated from having > completed 4-5 release designs. I give up. You've completely obfuscated my points. Thanks. Have a Merry Christmas. ~m From david at fubar.dk Fri Dec 22 02:49:43 2006 From: david at fubar.dk (David Zeuthen) Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2006 21:49:43 -0500 Subject: This list is about Visuals (Was Re: [Fwd: [Fedora Project Wiki] Update of "Artwork/ReleaseGraphics" by DianaFong]) In-Reply-To: <458B3779.3060001@redhat.com> References: <458A0DBE.4020202@redhat.com> <458AABF0.90801@redhat.com> <458AB5F3.2040600@redhat.com> <458AEC74.4090303@redhat.com> <458AF2BD.4020504@redhat.com> <458B0CE5.1030603@redhat.com> <458B3779.3060001@redhat.com> Message-ID: <1166755783.2498.86.camel@zelda.fubar.dk> On Thu, 2006-12-21 at 20:40 -0500, M?ir?n Duffy wrote: > I give up. You've completely obfuscated my points. Thanks. Gah! I feel frustrated when I read statements like the one quoted above and there's been a few others like that this past week. It would really be nice if we all could be a bit more civilized and constructive and not necessarily use each and every opportunity to snap at each other. This list is not a competition about being the most right, the most aggressive or the one that writes the longest or the most mails - it's a forum for discussions about the artwork in Fedora. Visuals. Let's not forget that. Yes, I'm sorry for being the asshole calling order to the list but... really... the signal to noise ratio on this list is really low (even by Fedora standards) and prominent individuals in the community should know a hell of a lot better that such such messages belongs off-list. This whole thread probably does even. Thanks. And a merry Christmas to everyone. David From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Fri Dec 22 07:30:04 2006 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2006 09:30:04 +0200 Subject: how decisions are made in fedora art In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <458B897C.6040200@nicubunu.ro> Max Spevack wrote: > > But what I am interested in is making sure that all of the various > Fedora sub-projects are able to make progress, work toward their goals, > etc. And to do so in a way that is consistent with the community, > meritocracy, etc. ideas of Fedora. > > So I shall try to help in that regard. And IMO, your help was very much needed here. > I think that is the only way to handle the theme selection that is in > the spirit of how we try to do things in the Fedora Project. I think > that Jonathan Blandford's team (whether that be Jonathan himself or one > of the people who works for him) should be able to offer input and > opinions, as should all of the other contributors and volunteers in the > Fedora Art project. We could use use this person (Jonathan or anyone else from his team) being subscribed to this list, we often have technical questions like for example about file formats, names or locations (see for some examples http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/ThemingOverview) and a direct answer from someone on the list (not indirectly passing by the project lead) would simplify the work and speed-up the development. > The leadership job, as with any, will not be an easy one. > > You'll have to look at all of the different goals of Fedora Art project > and see to it that progress is being made on all of them. If that > involves immediately delegating that responsibility to someone else, > that's fine. But the Fedora Board expects that the project will run > itself in a way that is in line with the Fedora ideals -- open decision > making, transparency, etc. I see the activity of Fedora Art as something larger than this mailing list, a portion of the wiki and irc channel. We, the members of the project are working/meeting also on other locations, like deviantART, Flickr, FedoraForum, Mugshot and whatever other places I miss on this moment. We use them not only to better communicate and share our work, but also as a way to promote Fedora and to attract new contributors. As I see it, the leadership of the project should have some insight on those other activities of the project. > Who wants to do that job? As a community, who do you nominate for this > position? I nominate M?ir?n Duffy. She in not only one of the founders and the most active contributors of this project, but is also an active and respected contributor to larger, upstream projects (like GNOME). She has the desired background (art studies and a job at Red Hat) and the needed short connections with both Red Hat engineers and GNOME developers. And not last, IMO, she proved she can be a community leader. > I am on vacation myself right now, so I won't be on my email constantly. > But I'll check this thread again in a day or two and see what sort of > responses this email has generated. I guess the majority of us will be on a short vacation these days, but is very good that we started this talk. -- nicu Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From chitlesh at fedoraproject.org Fri Dec 22 08:55:31 2006 From: chitlesh at fedoraproject.org (Chitlesh GOORAH) Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2006 09:55:31 +0100 Subject: [FC7 theme proposal] Flying High with Fedora 7 - Round 2 In-Reply-To: <1166459669.11117.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1166459669.11117.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <13dbfe4f0612220055o33bb2f75s89e5666d3696275b@mail.gmail.com> On 12/18/06, John Baer wrote: > Just for fun I made an Open Office and Gimp splash screen. Have a look at this http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=39122 There is a splash screen, as well as some wonderful openoffice icons :) Chitlesh -- http://clunixchit.blogspot.com From jjmasek at gmail.com Fri Dec 22 09:13:46 2006 From: jjmasek at gmail.com (Jiri Jakub Masek) Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2006 10:13:46 +0100 Subject: how decisions are made in fedora art In-Reply-To: <458B897C.6040200@nicubunu.ro> References: <458B897C.6040200@nicubunu.ro> Message-ID: Hi all, I want to support Nicu's idea, M?ir?n is the best candidate for leading the Fedora art team, and, Nicu is the second best one. JJM 2006/12/22, Nicu Buculei : > > Max Spevack wrote: > > > > But what I am interested in is making sure that all of the various > > Fedora sub-projects are able to make progress, work toward their goals, > > etc. And to do so in a way that is consistent with the community, > > meritocracy, etc. ideas of Fedora. > > > > So I shall try to help in that regard. > > And IMO, your help was very much needed here. > > > I think that is the only way to handle the theme selection that is in > > the spirit of how we try to do things in the Fedora Project. I think > > that Jonathan Blandford's team (whether that be Jonathan himself or one > > of the people who works for him) should be able to offer input and > > opinions, as should all of the other contributors and volunteers in the > > Fedora Art project. > > We could use use this person (Jonathan or anyone else from his team) > being subscribed to this list, we often have technical questions like > for example about file formats, names or locations (see for some > examples http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/ThemingOverview) and a > direct answer from someone on the list (not indirectly passing by the > project lead) would simplify the work and speed-up the development. > > > The leadership job, as with any, will not be an easy one. > > > > You'll have to look at all of the different goals of Fedora Art project > > and see to it that progress is being made on all of them. If that > > involves immediately delegating that responsibility to someone else, > > that's fine. But the Fedora Board expects that the project will run > > itself in a way that is in line with the Fedora ideals -- open decision > > making, transparency, etc. > > I see the activity of Fedora Art as something larger than this mailing > list, a portion of the wiki and irc channel. We, the members of the > project are working/meeting also on other locations, like deviantART, > Flickr, FedoraForum, Mugshot and whatever other places I miss on this > moment. We use them not only to better communicate and share our work, > but also as a way to promote Fedora and to attract new contributors. > As I see it, the leadership of the project should have some insight on > those other activities of the project. > > > Who wants to do that job? As a community, who do you nominate for this > > position? > > I nominate M?ir?n Duffy. > She in not only one of the founders and the most active contributors of > this project, but is also an active and respected contributor to larger, > upstream projects (like GNOME). > She has the desired background (art studies and a job at Red Hat) and > the needed short connections with both Red Hat engineers and GNOME > developers. > And not last, IMO, she proved she can be a community leader. > > > I am on vacation myself right now, so I won't be on my email constantly. > > But I'll check this thread again in a day or two and see what sort of > > responses this email has generated. > > I guess the majority of us will be on a short vacation these days, but > is very good that we started this talk. > > -- > nicu > Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ > Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org > my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro > > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list > -- I'm still learning English... Ji?? Jakub Ma?ek - Mr Jiri Jakub Masek Czech Republic, European Union -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From baerjj at gmail.com Fri Dec 22 16:52:32 2006 From: baerjj at gmail.com (John Baer) Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2006 11:52:32 -0500 Subject: Thoughts on recent threads Message-ID: <484ace5d0612220852x1f6ed270yc4fa27ac34366b29@mail.gmail.com> Hello everyone, Wow, the list server submissions have been heated of late. In the world of project management this phase of project team building is referred to as "storming" and it often produces a positive outcome. Max and David thank you for your comments. Your input is valued and appreciated. What I see as the root problem is a broken process and it can be addressed with a simple question. Fedora (aka Max, David, Jonathan, others from the Fedora council), "what do you want and when do you want it"? Diana's development of the release guide is a big help with the "what". It provided me with a list of twelve images to developed and the criteria of the desired result. It also provided a valuable resource for discussion. For example, the Open Office and Gimp splash screens; can the RHGB program be changed to render artwork differently? IMO what we are lacking is published deadlines and a clear definition of the deliverables. I remember from the FC6 cycle the artwork came in late and we were advised by Rahul the submissions for FC7 needed to be more timely. In addition, the short deadline in FC6 produced an unfair burden which fell on Diana and Mola's shoulders. As a result, the artwork effort of FC7 began earlier but I now realize Diana, Mo, and others from Fedora have other product deadlines to honor. Therefore, as a submitter of artwork to the Fedora art team I request the following. 1) Publish a development schedule to the wiki. Detail as much as possible exactly "what" is to be complete (visual examples are good) and the outcome of the deadline. This could also become a dashboard if one were to assign a status (ie. Green/Yellow/Red or AheadOfSchedule/OnSchedule/Late). 2) Fedora needs to communicate it's vision clearly to the group. This vision should also reside on the wiki. For example, if Fedora desires not to theme the splash screen of Open Office make the declaration, if Fedora doesn't care make the declaration. If Fedora desires to use the color blue in new theme development make the declaration. 3) The team needs an ambassador to Fedora. The perfect example is my question on changing the RHGB program. I would add this person should not be an active submitter of artwork and can change from time to time. The reason is in addition to ambassador this person should be a coach to team submitters. As this person will more than likely be from Fedora, Fedora should decide who is best qualified to fill the role. 4) I would ask the team to communicate visually. Have an idea or see an improvement for a submission? Mock it up, a picture is truly worth a 1000 words. We agreed to only use open source products for development (mainly gimp & inkscape) so passing files should not be an issue. 5) I would ask team members to post their intentions to the list server. I had no idea a forum post was made and an artwork theme poll was underway. A wonderful idea but I would have liked the opportunity to comment and participate in the forum thread. (If that was done and I missed it, great.) So where are we now? In my mind the development of the "Flying High Theme" needed to evolved to the point Fedora could give the thumbs up or down. I believe I have accomplished that goal and the result of the effort is posted to the "preview" wiki. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fc7ThemeProposalFlyingHighPreview I know if I were entrusted in making the decision on which theme to use I would want to see as much as possible. If I were purchasing an auto I want to see more than the bumper. To do less places the project at risk of getting something less than desired. Once the decision on the theme is made, the effort becomes refinement and polish. In conclusion what I see before us now is an opportunity for improvement. Let's agree Fedora 7 can be as good as we want it to be. Cheers, John -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From duffy at redhat.com Fri Dec 22 22:37:57 2006 From: duffy at redhat.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?M=E1ir=EDn_Duffy?=) Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2006 17:37:57 -0500 Subject: Thoughts on recent threads In-Reply-To: <484ace5d0612220852x1f6ed270yc4fa27ac34366b29@mail.gmail.com> References: <484ace5d0612220852x1f6ed270yc4fa27ac34366b29@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <458C5E45.50807@redhat.com> Hi John, John Baer wrote: > Therefore, as a submitter of artwork to the Fedora art team I request > the following. > > 1) Publish a development schedule to the wiki. Detail as much as > possible exactly "what" is to be complete (visual examples are good) and > the outcome of the deadline. This could also become a dashboard if one > were to assign a status (ie. Green/Yellow/Red or > AheadOfSchedule/OnSchedule/Late). John, we've had this available here: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/FC7Themes Bill Nottingham *just* sent out the FC7 schedule this week and I didn't have a chance to update it as others decided to override our existing schedule. When I created the schedule on the FC7Themes page, I was guesstimating good deadlines for each round and we discussed the deadline for round 2 openly on this list to account for the holidays [1]. I didn't have a final date for round 3, because I did not know the deadline for FC7 test 2 or test 3 yet. I would be perfectly happy to update that page with Bill's recently-published schedule in mind, however, with a due date for round 3. I'm not sure how with the information I had on hand at the time, however, that the schedule there could have been any more clear. As well as publishing this schedule on the wiki, I also sent it to this list [2], It's in a story I submitted to Fedora News [3], and I also posted the link in my blog which is syndicated on Fedora Planet [4]. All of the items to be created have been available on http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/ThemingOverview for a very long time (before Diana's recent modifications) and have been linked to on the Artwork/FC7Themes page. I really don't want to talk about that particular topic any more, though, I don't think it's good for my blood pressure. > 2) Fedora needs to communicate it's vision clearly to the group. This > vision should also reside on the wiki. For example, if Fedora desires > not to theme the splash screen of Open Office make the declaration, if > Fedora doesn't care make the declaration. If Fedora desires to use the > color blue in new theme development make the declaration. We brought up the question of OOo splash screens and discussed it openly. Would you prefer someone make declarations rather than discussing issues like this out in the open? The point of round 2 in the theme process is to play around with different ways of rendering the ideas we came up in round one. See the first paragraph under "Participate in FC7 Theme Development" at http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/FC7Themes. I don't think anyone really cares what the color is to make that declaration - really if you feel strongly about using some non-blue color, well... go for it! And show us what you come up with, and we'll discuss it. > 3) The team needs an ambassador to Fedora. The perfect example is my > question on changing the RHGB program. I would add this person should > not be an active submitter of artwork and can change from time to time. > > The reason is in addition to ambassador this person should be a coach to > team submitters. As this person will more than likely be from Fedora, > Fedora should decide who is best qualified to fill the role. Your question about RHGB was discussed openly on this list. I actually discussed whether or not RHGB could do what you wanted to do with it with Ray Strode, who is the currently the Fedora package maintainer of RHGB, and I got back to you. Was there something wrong with how that went down? > 4) I would ask the team to communicate visually. Have an idea or see > an improvement for a submission? Mock it up, a picture is truly worth a > 1000 words. We agreed to only use open source products for development > (mainly gimp & inkscape) so passing files should not be an issue. +1 ! Make sure you always upload your SVG and/or XCF sourcefiles when submitting! > 5) I would ask team members to post their intentions to the list > server. I had no idea a forum post was made and an artwork theme poll > was underway. A wonderful idea but I would have liked the opportunity to > comment and participate in the forum thread. (If that was done and I > missed it, great.) I didn't know about the Fedora Forum post about the FC7 themes until one of the Fedora Forums community members emailed me about it a couple of weeks ago. I thought I had included it in my community feedback post [5], but looking back it looks like I didn't - I might have found out about it after that post. I am planning on writing up another set of community feedback as I continue to get lots and lots of feedback on my blog post as well as in Fedora Forums. > So where are we now? > > In my mind the development of the "Flying High Theme" needed to evolved > to the point Fedora could give the thumbs up or down. I believe I have > accomplished that goal and the result of the effort is posted to the > "preview" wiki. > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fc7ThemeProposalFlyingHighPreview > > I know if I were entrusted in making the decision on which theme to use > I would want to see as much as possible. If I were purchasing an auto I > want to see more than the bumper. To do less places the project at risk > of getting something less than desired. Once the decision on the theme > is made, the effort becomes refinement and polish. The original date we had for that decision was February 12th. We may need to set that a couple of weeks back, though, considering Bill's schedule for FC7. > In conclusion what I see before us now is an opportunity for > improvement. Let's agree Fedora 7 can be as good as we want it to be. +1 ~m [1] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-art-list/2006-December/msg00027.html [2] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-art-list/2006-December/msg00034.html [3] http://fedoranews.org/cms/node/2192 [4] http://mihmo.livejournal.com/35195.html [5] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-art-list/2006-December/msg00117.html From duffy at redhat.com Fri Dec 22 22:52:37 2006 From: duffy at redhat.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?M=E1ir=EDn_Duffy?=) Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2006 17:52:37 -0500 Subject: Community Feedback on Theme Work so far (part 2) Message-ID: <458C61B5.40309@redhat.com> Hey folks, So we still continue to get feedback on what we came up with for round 1, both in my blog post and in Fedora Forum. Here's a recap: 1) Fedora Forum Feedback Martin Sourada created a poll on the different submissions we had at the end of round 1 (based on the blog post (see #2 below). By far the top two were Planet and Borealis: http://forums.fedoraforum.org/showthread.php?t=141039 There also seem to be some concerns about the themes appearing 'child-like', and 'not professional enough'. (I did let folks know that the images they were looking at were rough conceptual art and that we're in the process of refinement.) 2) Blog Post Feedback I announced round 2 of the theme process in my blog (which the Fedora News article linked to) and as a result we're still getting tons of replies: http://mihmo.livejournal.com/35195.html The feedback is very very strongly for planet. People really seem to like the idea: "The image really reflects the vast possibility of the Fedora Project." "Im with the Fedora Planet because it punches the most meaningful theme to the user. Looking at it, the first thing that came out in my mind about fedora for its background that flashes the infinite spaces that unknown to us which exactly as same as the fedora's logo itself. The planet which fedora's logo in it also mark the global fedora which means that it will someday be the most OS uses in the world or far beyond." Another thing mentioned in the replies here are mashing up the different submissions - eg. 'justnerds' suggested: "This may be impractical, but what about taking a couple of the other themes (planet, borealis), and putting them on the balloons in the Flying High wallpaper/theme." and "there may be a synergy by combining Planet & Flying High." We got feedback that FC6 was too dark and that FC7's theme should be lighter. "I LOVE the light blue... it looks more friendly than the dark one, which is in FC6..." We also got more feedback on a more 'natural' theme - "i think that the right is put just "natural images", no cars, and airplanes, and "high-tech" stuff, 'cause there are people that won't like of this, like me" Anyway, these are what I got out of the feedback. Feel free to take a look at the feedback directly and let's discuss what you got out of it and where we should go based on it! ~m From duffy at redhat.com Fri Dec 22 22:55:29 2006 From: duffy at redhat.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?M=E1ir=EDn_Duffy?=) Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2006 17:55:29 -0500 Subject: Fedora Planet round 2 Message-ID: <458C6261.4040309@redhat.com> Hi folks, So because we've got a lot of feedback for the Fedora Planet idea, I put together some images based on it. Since folks seemed to like Borealis too, I added some Borealis elements (as well as Flying High elements!) Check them out: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fc7ThemeProposalplanet What do you think? The SVGs are all there to play with. :) ~m From bjro.rambo at gmail.com Sat Dec 23 09:55:54 2006 From: bjro.rambo at gmail.com (Brandon Rambo) Date: Sat, 23 Dec 2006 12:55:54 +0300 Subject: Fedora Planet round 2 In-Reply-To: <458C6261.4040309@redhat.com> References: <458C6261.4040309@redhat.com> Message-ID: <403e55b30612230155j525011d9g8c3b46b2d5d2b9cb@mail.gmail.com> hey all, im new to this list... and im not sure but i thought you wernt supposed to put numbers in any of the ideas? besides that planet is my favorite theme Brandon On 12/23/06, M?ir?n Duffy wrote: > > Hi folks, > > So because we've got a lot of feedback for the Fedora Planet idea, I put > together some images based on it. Since folks seemed to like Borealis > too, I added some Borealis elements (as well as Flying High elements!) > Check them out: > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fc7ThemeProposalplanet > > What do you think? The SVGs are all there to play with. :) > > ~m > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From baerjj at gmail.com Sat Dec 23 18:09:32 2006 From: baerjj at gmail.com (John Baer) Date: Sat, 23 Dec 2006 13:09:32 -0500 Subject: Who is Our Target Audience Message-ID: <1166897372.5474.11.camel@localhost.localdomain> All, I've been working under an assumption as to who our target audience is but in the world of project management every assumption should be stated so that it can be agreed to. In my mind the target audience for Fedora is an individual who's life style would include the Internet, mobile music player, multi media, and a cell phone. Is this the audience we should be crafting art toward? I also assume the business side of Fedora is really RHEL. John From baerjj at gmail.com Sat Dec 23 18:19:16 2006 From: baerjj at gmail.com (John Baer) Date: Sat, 23 Dec 2006 13:19:16 -0500 Subject: Fedora Planet round 2 Message-ID: <1166897956.5474.17.camel@localhost.localdomain> Mo, As usual the quality of your artwork is outstanding. Would it be possible to get a svg of Mola's background. For me to help out I also need to know the concept we are developing to. I did not see that anywhere. Last, what is your vision of matching this theme to the RHGB. This is where I had the most trouble. Cheers, John From baerjj at gmail.com Sat Dec 23 18:22:41 2006 From: baerjj at gmail.com (John Baer) Date: Sat, 23 Dec 2006 13:22:41 -0500 Subject: [FC7 theme proposal] Flying High with Fedora 7 - Round 2 Message-ID: <1166898161.5474.19.camel@localhost.localdomain> All, Updated the RHGB (try 3) screen of this theme with completely new and different colors. Cheers, John From duffy at redhat.com Sat Dec 23 19:34:39 2006 From: duffy at redhat.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?M=E1ir=EDn_Duffy?=) Date: Sat, 23 Dec 2006 14:34:39 -0500 Subject: Fedora Planet round 2 In-Reply-To: <403e55b30612230155j525011d9g8c3b46b2d5d2b9cb@mail.gmail.com> References: <458C6261.4040309@redhat.com> <403e55b30612230155j525011d9g8c3b46b2d5d2b9cb@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <458D84CF.6090409@redhat.com> Hi Brandon, Brandon Rambo wrote: > hey all, > im new to this list... and im not sure but i thought you wernt supposed > to put numbers in any of the ideas? Well I think the idea is that numbers can't be integral to the design (see the c6re design to see what I'm talking about - http://www.deviantart.com/deviation/37913696/). But for a limited usage, like just in the anaconda splash graphic (where it's important to know what version you're about to install), it should be ok. Not on the wallpaper though. > > besides that planet is my favorite theme Cool! Feel free to submit your ideas and play around with the artwork. ~m From ben.arnold.inbox at gmail.com Sat Dec 23 23:40:22 2006 From: ben.arnold.inbox at gmail.com (Ben Arnold) Date: Sat, 23 Dec 2006 23:40:22 +0000 Subject: [FC7 theme proposal] Flying High with Fedora 7 - Round 2 In-Reply-To: <9c3bfa1d0612231538o7009ce6y8f45d3563c0ce36c@mail.gmail.com> References: <484ace5d0612200628u1abaca82w449819f4d7c776b0@mail.gmail.com> <458979DE.3020301@redhat.com> <9c3bfa1d0612231538o7009ce6y8f45d3563c0ce36c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <9c3bfa1d0612231540n199b389arc3042cb5bddb3ce0@mail.gmail.com> On 23/12/06, Ben Arnold wrote: > On 20/12/06, Leo wrote: > > * M?ir?n Duffy (2006-12-20 12:58 -0500) said: > > [...] > > > How do OOo, Gimp, and Eclipse splash screens provide the best user > > > experience possible...? They don't. They provide a fuller 'brand > > > experience' for sure, but that's different from 'user experience' > > > (former benefits us more than it would users.) > > > > > > The best user experience possible is applications loading up so > > > quickly you don't need a splash screen to provide feedback that yes, > > > the application is loading. > > > > a splash screen will be in those apps for Fedora 7. > > > > To offer my two pence, if the splashes are going to be included with > FC7 apps, the user already knows they are running FC7. > > Our brand identity is done through our scheming and, IMHO, does not > need to be extended through to apps because the 'essentials' > themselves (such as OOo, GIMP, Inkscape, FF, etc.) can be obtained > from the Fedora repositories via yum et al. This ensures these apps > come from the Fedora Universe (if you see what I mean: no connection > to discussions going around elsewhere) and so are string-bound > together by Fedora's brand. If we were to, who's to say we shouldn't > create custom splases for every single application availible in Core > or Extras? > > TBH, with the time we've left for extra work for both arts and packs > coupled with the efforts to improve already great subs, I don't see > the need to extend our efforts to custom splashes. > > > ./Ben > > -- > ..// seawolf //.. > Ben Arnold > e-mail / msn / icq / yahoo > iamseawolf (at) gmail (dot) com > http://clik.to/seawolfsanctuary > > fedora core : artwork > GnuPG Available - ask me! > -- ..// seawolf //.. Ben Arnold e-mail / msn / icq / yahoo iamseawolf (at) gmail (dot) com http://clik.to/seawolfsanctuary fedora core : artwork GnuPG Available - ask me! From chitlesh at fedoraproject.org Sat Dec 23 23:55:09 2006 From: chitlesh at fedoraproject.org (Chitlesh GOORAH) Date: Sun, 24 Dec 2006 00:55:09 +0100 Subject: Who is Our Target Audience In-Reply-To: <1166897372.5474.11.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1166897372.5474.11.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <13dbfe4f0612231555r704ca2f2h8d071b11903542ff@mail.gmail.com> On 12/23/06, John Baer wrote: > All, > > I've been working under an assumption as to who our target audience is > but in the world of project management every assumption should be stated > so that it can be agreed to. > > In my mind the target audience for Fedora is an individual who's life > style would include the Internet, mobile music player, multi media, and > a cell phone. User Chitlesh is a KDE user and wants to see more Fedora Artwork on Fedora KDE :) cheers, Chitlesh -- http://clunixchit.blogspot.com From ben.arnold.inbox at gmail.com Sun Dec 24 00:00:43 2006 From: ben.arnold.inbox at gmail.com (Ben Arnold) Date: Sun, 24 Dec 2006 00:00:43 +0000 Subject: how decisions are made in fedora art In-Reply-To: References: <458B897C.6040200@nicubunu.ro> Message-ID: <9c3bfa1d0612231600m6872599en5945cab1b39291b4@mail.gmail.com> Talk about a kick up the preverbial. "Blessed is the leader who seeks the best for those he serves." (unknown person) On 22/12/06, Jiri Jakub Masek wrote: > 2006/12/22, Nicu Buculei < nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro>: > > Max Spevack wrote: > > > Who wants to do that job? As a community, who do you nominate for this > > > position? My vote is also for Ms. Duffy. My reasons include a good commitment (eg Community Feedback on Theme Work so far Part 2) and a good amount of logic and common sense. After coming back from holiday for a mere three days (Wed-Fri) to the proverbial upheaval, I think we should use it to create not only an overall leader but use interested parties to head each sub-project, or have a definition of people in them. We have multiple tasks running at the moment inc. themes, additionals, icons, GNOME/KDE intergration + support... the list goes on. It think it would make things easier to continue the further down the line. ./Ben -- ..// seawolf //.. Ben Arnold e-mail / msn / icq / yahoo iamseawolf (at) gmail (dot) com http://clik.to/seawolfsanctuary fedora core : artwork GnuPG Available - ask me! From ben.arnold.inbox at gmail.com Sun Dec 24 00:17:17 2006 From: ben.arnold.inbox at gmail.com (Ben Arnold) Date: Sun, 24 Dec 2006 00:17:17 +0000 Subject: Who is Our Target Audience In-Reply-To: <13dbfe4f0612231555r704ca2f2h8d071b11903542ff@mail.gmail.com> References: <1166897372.5474.11.camel@localhost.localdomain> <13dbfe4f0612231555r704ca2f2h8d071b11903542ff@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <9c3bfa1d0612231617g7922dd96uf32141b03f69d18f@mail.gmail.com> On 23/12/06, Chitlesh GOORAH wrote: > On 12/23/06, John Baer wrote: > > I've been working under an assumption as to who our target audience is > > but in the world of project management every assumption should be stated > > so that it can be agreed to. The blurb on the FedoraProject Overview is written in such a way that it seems the slightly more technical user at home. The hobbyist if you like. The text, "It comes out twice a year or so," says the confident business clients would probably not like FC because of it's cutting-edge-ness. In short, ubercool tech/Linuxist. > > User Chitlesh is a KDE user and wants to see more Fedora Artwork on > Fedora KDE :) > Hmm, me too. It'll get there! ./Ben [1] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Overview#head-c12f7664badb48c91c2cf8547a450fcaed001de0 -- ..// seawolf //.. Ben Arnold e-mail / msn / icq / yahoo iamseawolf (at) gmail (dot) com http://clik.to/seawolfsanctuary fedora core : artwork GnuPG Available - ask me! From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Sun Dec 24 00:55:39 2006 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Sun, 24 Dec 2006 06:25:39 +0530 Subject: Who is Our Target Audience In-Reply-To: <9c3bfa1d0612231617g7922dd96uf32141b03f69d18f@mail.gmail.com> References: <1166897372.5474.11.camel@localhost.localdomain> <13dbfe4f0612231555r704ca2f2h8d071b11903542ff@mail.gmail.com> <9c3bfa1d0612231617g7922dd96uf32141b03f69d18f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <458DD00B.7050006@fedoraproject.org> Ben Arnold wrote: > On 23/12/06, Chitlesh GOORAH wrote: >> On 12/23/06, John Baer wrote: > >> > I've been working under an assumption as to who our target audience is >> > but in the world of project management every assumption should be >> stated >> > so that it can be agreed to. > > The blurb on the FedoraProject Overview is written in such a way that > it seems the slightly more technical user at home. The hobbyist if you > like. The text, "It comes out twice a year or so," says the confident > business clients would probably not like FC because of it's > cutting-edge-ness. I wouldnt say so. In particular, a large segment of business clients wouldnt care about how fast the next release comes out as much as how long the current release is. We defined our objectives clearly at http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Objectives. Target audience is something usually associated with market segmentation and associated need to focus on products. Fedora however can also a toolbox from which different users pick the pieces they want. For example, if Fedora as it is doesnt fit into the needs of thin client or audio workstation users, they can always help in the integration of K12LTSP or Planet CCRMA. If their needs doesnt match well with the project ideas they can always create derivatives and forks. We should not restrict ourselves to one set of users. Btw, the overview needs a revamp so dont read too much into it currently. Rahul From baerjj at gmail.com Sun Dec 24 02:54:04 2006 From: baerjj at gmail.com (John Baer) Date: Sat, 23 Dec 2006 21:54:04 -0500 Subject: [FC7 theme proposal] Flying High with Fedora 7 - Round 2 Message-ID: <1166928844.6326.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> All, I added a new RHGB submission to the round 2 page titled "Happy Feet"! Rock on ... Cheers, John From gabriel.hurley at gmail.com Sun Dec 24 04:59:42 2006 From: gabriel.hurley at gmail.com (Gabriel Hurley) Date: Sat, 23 Dec 2006 22:59:42 -0600 Subject: Fedora Planet round 2 In-Reply-To: <458D84CF.6090409@redhat.com> References: <458C6261.4040309@redhat.com> <403e55b30612230155j525011d9g8c3b46b2d5d2b9cb@mail.gmail.com> <458D84CF.6090409@redhat.com> Message-ID: <395ebc340612232059k1d95d7e2i57175bc21d573c38@mail.gmail.com> Nice! I'm beginning to think that the FC7 theme could be "Hot Air Balloons Flying Against a Night Sky with a Planet and the Aurora" Joking aside, the planet design gives the message that Fedora is "Outta this Word!!!", which seems appropriate. Gabriel Hurley -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I haven't used KDE in... wow... it must be over 4 years ago by now, so I'm totally clueless. :) ~m From duffy at redhat.com Sun Dec 24 05:20:39 2006 From: duffy at redhat.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?M=E1ir=EDn_Duffy?=) Date: Sun, 24 Dec 2006 00:20:39 -0500 Subject: Fedora Planet round 2 In-Reply-To: <1166897956.5474.17.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1166897956.5474.17.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <458E0E27.4090904@redhat.com> Hey John, John Baer wrote: > As usual the quality of your artwork is outstanding. Would it be > possible to get a svg of Mola's background. Thanks (*-o-*) Re: Mola's source artwork, I don't know - Mola, you lurking around here? Mola is a real Blender expert so my guess is that it's a Blender file? > For me to help out I also need to know the concept we are developing to. > I did not see that anywhere. Well, there never was a formal statement for Fedora Planet, but it seems to kind of follow the statement for Flying High - eg., the excellence of Fedora. Some things that folks in the community have read into it: "The image really reflects the vast possibility of the Fedora Project." "Im with the Fedora Planet because it punches the most meaningful theme to the user. Looking at it, the first thing that came out in my mind about fedora for its background that flashes the infinite spaces that unknown to us which exactly as same as the fedora's logo itself. The planet which fedora's logo in it also mark the global fedora which means that it will someday be the most OS uses in the world or far beyond." So I guess a good bulleted list for Fedora Planet's concept would be: - Infinite possibility (infiniteness of space) - Globally focused - users and developers across the world (visuals of a globe) - 'out-of-this-world' - a cutting edge distro (reaching new frontiers. seeking new life and.... er. ) I'll add this to the main planet page so it's documented. :) Does that help? > Last, what is your vision of matching this theme to the RHGB. This is > where I had the most trouble. Well, offhand the one thought I had for RHGB was to have a large-ish planet in the lower right, an array of stars from the lower left to upper left to upper right. A planet is a simple enough shape that it would fit within the restrictions we've got for RHGB and the stars could break it out of the box a bit and make it look more interesting especially if arranged in a nice way. ~m From chitlesh at fedoraproject.org Sun Dec 24 13:17:22 2006 From: chitlesh at fedoraproject.org (Chitlesh GOORAH) Date: Sun, 24 Dec 2006 14:17:22 +0100 Subject: Who is Our Target Audience In-Reply-To: <458E0A45.6080409@redhat.com> References: <1166897372.5474.11.camel@localhost.localdomain> <13dbfe4f0612231555r704ca2f2h8d071b11903542ff@mail.gmail.com> <458E0A45.6080409@redhat.com> Message-ID: <13dbfe4f0612240517p55e88d3bk3280593bd174471c@mail.gmail.com> On 12/24/06, M?ir?n Duffy wrote: Hello > What pieces of KDE theming do you think Fedora misses? We've got > wallpapers, login screen, and splash screen. Can you think of anything > specific that's missing? (screenshots are *always* helpful for > illustration.) Well some quick thoughts: #01 kde metabar I have requested the theming of konqueror's metabar in the past in this mailing list: https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-art-list/2006-September/msg00086.html but didn't get any reply, neither from the kde maintainer. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=207770 Default fedora kde's metabar: http://www.flickr.com/photo_zoom.gne?id=331738371&size=o Screenshot: http://clunixchit.blogspot.com/2006/04/fc5-kde35-personalize-your-konquerors.html#links http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=36348&vote=good&tan=88895690 #02: FE icon theme guidelines This should be requested to FESCo: Any kde icon set should have the fedora-logo as the kmenu icon. Example: I changed the default kmenu icon of crystal-clear to the fedora-logo, branding fedora properly always make fedora looks better :) https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=219962 Perhaps you guys from Fedora Artwork might provide some generic fedora *.png to FE packagers if they want to theme their packages. #03: kontact theming Fedora will have its own kde version soon, having too many email clients on the iso isn't a bright idea. So kontact theming might be considered with respect to fedora as well :) #04: End KDE session The Fedora's KDE End session 's image /usr/share/apps/ksmserver/pics/shutdownkonq.png is the default KDE one. It would be nice to have a special fedora kde "end session" picture showing, for example konqi (the dragon) having fun with Fedora. Showing konqi flying on Fedora balloons on F7 for example. Since Fedora will have soon a special kde version, Fedora is likely to have such things. #05: I haven't yet seen any progress of echo theme in kde's perspective, since when I last tried Echo theme was not compatible with kde :( #06: khelpcenter khelpcenter is something too worth to consider. Well, I don't know whether you guys can give some 30-45 mins mini-conference on irc (perhaps one each two months) which could attract some artists from kde-look.org to work on and give love to Fedora's kde. On my side, whenever, I see some nice artwork with respect to Fedora, I don't hesitate to invite the artist to join this mailing list (even if it's gnome related). Some urls: - http://kde-artists.org - http://oxygen-icons.org/ > I haven't used KDE in... wow... it must be over 4 years > ago by now, so I'm totally clueless. :) A reason to try now :) Merry Christmas, Chitlesh -- http://clunixchit.blogspot.com From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Wed Dec 27 06:58:49 2006 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2006 08:58:49 +0200 Subject: Fedora Planet round 2 In-Reply-To: <458E0E27.4090904@redhat.com> References: <1166897956.5474.17.camel@localhost.localdomain> <458E0E27.4090904@redhat.com> Message-ID: <459219A9.7070108@nicubunu.ro> M?ir?n Duffy wrote: > Hey John, > > John Baer wrote: >> As usual the quality of your artwork is outstanding. Would it be >> possible to get a svg of Mola's background. > > Thanks (*-o-*) Re: Mola's source artwork, I don't know - Mola, you > lurking around here? Mola is a real Blender expert so my guess is that > it's a Blender file? It certainly does not look like vector graphics. Probably is possible to get the same result using vectors, but it would be very hard (lot of blur, lot of soft edges). -- nicu Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Wed Dec 27 07:18:57 2006 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2006 09:18:57 +0200 Subject: Who is Our Target Audience In-Reply-To: <1166897372.5474.11.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1166897372.5474.11.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <45921E61.4030103@nicubunu.ro> John Baer wrote: > > I've been working under an assumption as to who our target audience is > but in the world of project management every assumption should be stated > so that it can be agreed to. Before defining "our audience", let define who is "us". The entire Fedora project or the Art sub-project? Are we talking about the current audience or about the desired audience? I think the desired audience may not be the same as the current one and the shiny surface ("Art") is one of the means to change this. > In my mind the target audience for Fedora is an individual who's life > style would include the Internet, mobile music player, multi media, and > a cell phone. The general impression among independent observers seems to be that Fedora is geared more toward developers, less to users. From the inside, one can see great efforts to change this. > Is this the audience we should be crafting art toward? I also assume the > business side of Fedora is really RHEL. -- nicu Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Wed Dec 27 07:22:02 2006 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2006 09:22:02 +0200 Subject: Fedora Planet round 2 In-Reply-To: <458C6261.4040309@redhat.com> References: <458C6261.4040309@redhat.com> Message-ID: <45921F1A.5090609@nicubunu.ro> M?ir?n Duffy wrote: > > So because we've got a lot of feedback for the Fedora Planet idea, I put > together some images based on it. Since folks seemed to like Borealis > too, I added some Borealis elements (as well as Flying High elements!) > Check them out: > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fc7ThemeProposalplanet > > What do you think? The SVGs are all there to play with. :) Yes, there is a lot of potential in those, I think I will try to play a bit with it but most likely not this year :p -- nicu Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro