From fedora-art at ml.shredzone.de Fri May 5 06:37:16 2006 From: fedora-art at ml.shredzone.de (=?ISO-8859-15?Q?Richard_K=F6rber?=) Date: Fri, 05 May 2006 08:37:16 +0200 Subject: Fedora logo modification license? Message-ID: <445AF29C.3040900@ml.shredzone.de> Hello! I have created a modified Fedora logo for the fedorablog.de website I maintain. Basically it is just mirrored, changed so the "f" now looks like a "b" (for blog), and the background is turned into a dark red instead of a dark blue. Do I need to get a permission to use this logo on my website? If so, who do I need to contact regarding the permission? Thanks in advance! Regards -- Richard K?rber From tchung at fedoraproject.org Fri May 5 06:41:23 2006 From: tchung at fedoraproject.org (Thomas Chung) Date: Thu, 4 May 2006 23:41:23 -0700 Subject: Fedora logo modification license? In-Reply-To: <445AF29C.3040900@ml.shredzone.de> References: <445AF29C.3040900@ml.shredzone.de> Message-ID: <369bce3b0605042341p694041cdxe7d8c5a72c0af0f1@mail.gmail.com> On 5/4/06, Richard K?rber wrote: > Hello! > > I have created a modified Fedora logo for the fedorablog.de website I > maintain. Basically it is just mirrored, changed so the "f" now looks > like a "b" (for blog), and the background is turned into a dark red > instead of a dark blue. > > Do I need to get a permission to use this logo on my website? > > If so, who do I need to contact regarding the permission? > > Thanks in advance! > > Regards > -- > Richard K?rber Guidelines and Policy should be available at http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Logo -- Thomas Chung http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ThomasChung From fedora-art at ml.shredzone.de Fri May 5 06:51:34 2006 From: fedora-art at ml.shredzone.de (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Richard_K=F6rber?=) Date: Fri, 05 May 2006 08:51:34 +0200 Subject: Fedora logo modification license? In-Reply-To: <369bce3b0605042341p694041cdxe7d8c5a72c0af0f1@mail.gmail.com> References: <445AF29C.3040900@ml.shredzone.de> <369bce3b0605042341p694041cdxe7d8c5a72c0af0f1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <445AF5F6.6050302@ml.shredzone.de> Thomas Chung wrote: > Guidelines and Policy should be available at > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Logo I have contacted the logo at fedoraproject mail address about a week ago, but there was no response yet, so I wondered if this mail address was only responsible for using unmodified Fedora logos on marketing products. Okay, so I will wait for their answer. -- Richard K?rber From duffy at redhat.com Fri May 5 12:35:13 2006 From: duffy at redhat.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?M=E1ir=EDn_Duffy?=) Date: Fri, 05 May 2006 08:35:13 -0400 Subject: Fedora logo modification license? In-Reply-To: <445AF5F6.6050302@ml.shredzone.de> References: <445AF29C.3040900@ml.shredzone.de> <369bce3b0605042341p694041cdxe7d8c5a72c0af0f1@mail.gmail.com> <445AF5F6.6050302@ml.shredzone.de> Message-ID: <445B4681.3050106@redhat.com> Hi Richard, Richard K?rber wrote: > I have contacted the logo at fedoraproject mail address about a week ago, > but there was no response yet, so I wondered if this mail address was > only responsible for using unmodified Fedora logos on marketing products. This list is about creating icons, desktop backgrounds, and themes *for Fedora.* That may involve use of the Fedora logo, but we don't modify the Fedora logo. In general, modifying logos and repurposing them for other brands is frowned upon as it weakens the original brand of the logo. IANAL, etc., etc. ~m From fedora-art at ml.shredzone.de Fri May 5 12:48:14 2006 From: fedora-art at ml.shredzone.de (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Richard_K=F6rber?=) Date: Fri, 05 May 2006 14:48:14 +0200 Subject: Fedora logo modification license? In-Reply-To: <445B4681.3050106@redhat.com> References: <445AF29C.3040900@ml.shredzone.de> <369bce3b0605042341p694041cdxe7d8c5a72c0af0f1@mail.gmail.com> <445AF5F6.6050302@ml.shredzone.de> <445B4681.3050106@redhat.com> Message-ID: <445B498E.3060806@ml.shredzone.de> Hi M?ir?n! > This list is about creating icons, desktop backgrounds, and themes *for > Fedora.* That may involve use of the Fedora logo, but we don't modify > the Fedora logo. In general, modifying logos and repurposing them for > other brands is frowned upon as it weakens the original brand of the logo. I understand the concerns about weakening the brand. This is why I am actually asking. Anyhow I am not trying to put up another brand. The site is about Fedora Core, and it is also non-commercial. I would also give the SVG file back to the Fedora community, of course. Regards -- Richard K?rber From duffy at redhat.com Fri May 5 14:25:57 2006 From: duffy at redhat.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?M=E1ir=EDn_Duffy?=) Date: Fri, 05 May 2006 10:25:57 -0400 Subject: Fedora logo modification license? In-Reply-To: <445B498E.3060806@ml.shredzone.de> References: <445AF29C.3040900@ml.shredzone.de> <369bce3b0605042341p694041cdxe7d8c5a72c0af0f1@mail.gmail.com> <445AF5F6.6050302@ml.shredzone.de> <445B4681.3050106@redhat.com> <445B498E.3060806@ml.shredzone.de> Message-ID: <445B6075.5090600@redhat.com> Richard K?rber wrote: >>This list is about creating icons, desktop backgrounds, and themes *for >>Fedora.* That may involve use of the Fedora logo, but we don't modify >>the Fedora logo. In general, modifying logos and repurposing them for >>other brands is frowned upon as it weakens the original brand of the logo. > > I understand the concerns about weakening the brand. This is why I am actually > asking. Anyhow I am not trying to put up another brand. The site is about > Fedora Core, and it is also non-commercial. Well... my gut reaction is that's still pretty shaky territory. It would probably be best to hold off on using anything but a 'vanilla' Fedora logo until a Fedora brand book comes out. Probably the most authoritative answer will come when you hear back from the logo at fedoraproject.org people. :) Do you have any alternate design ideas in mind? E.g., maybe have the fedora 'F' logo, and then have stylized b's next to it, but not inside the Fedora speech bubble? > I would also give the SVG file back to the Fedora community, of course. Always appreciated. :) ~m From fedora-art at ml.shredzone.de Fri May 5 14:45:23 2006 From: fedora-art at ml.shredzone.de (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Richard_K=F6rber?=) Date: Fri, 05 May 2006 16:45:23 +0200 Subject: Fedora logo modification license? In-Reply-To: <445B6075.5090600@redhat.com> References: <445AF29C.3040900@ml.shredzone.de> <369bce3b0605042341p694041cdxe7d8c5a72c0af0f1@mail.gmail.com> <445AF5F6.6050302@ml.shredzone.de> <445B4681.3050106@redhat.com> <445B498E.3060806@ml.shredzone.de> <445B6075.5090600@redhat.com> Message-ID: <445B6503.4050706@ml.shredzone.de> M?ir?n Duffy wrote: > Do you have any alternate design ideas in mind? E.g., maybe have the > fedora 'F' logo, and then have stylized b's next to it, but not inside > the Fedora speech bubble? I haven't thought about it yet. I want to wait for a response of logo at fedoraproject first, before I spend further time with thinking about an alternate. Anyhow I want to have a square logo, so it could be used as favicon as well. For this reason, I don't think there is a way to use the original 'F' logo and something else beside it. In case my modified logo should be rejected, I will think about something completely different. Sadly it would then be something that would not look like Fedora at all. -- Richard K?rber From stickster at gmail.com Fri May 5 20:17:47 2006 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Fri, 05 May 2006 16:17:47 -0400 Subject: Fedora logo modification license? In-Reply-To: <369bce3b0605042341p694041cdxe7d8c5a72c0af0f1@mail.gmail.com> References: <445AF29C.3040900@ml.shredzone.de> <369bce3b0605042341p694041cdxe7d8c5a72c0af0f1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1146860267.3157.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Thu, 2006-05-04 at 23:41 -0700, Thomas Chung wrote: > On 5/4/06, Richard K?rber wrote: > > Hello! > > > > I have created a modified Fedora logo for the fedorablog.de website I > > maintain. Basically it is just mirrored, changed so the "f" now looks > > like a "b" (for blog), and the background is turned into a dark red > > instead of a dark blue. > > > > Do I need to get a permission to use this logo on my website? > > > > If so, who do I need to contact regarding the permission? > > Guidelines and Policy should be available at > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Logo The stickler in me says this kind of usage isn't appropriate. It's one thing to design your own logo that *by coincidence* is similar to another logo. It's entirely another to copy an existing trademark logo and morph it into your own usage, especially when that usage is in a marketplace where it could create confusion. Max Spevack and I are collecting trademark guidelines and policy bits to coalesce into something meaningful so we can avoid confusion and case-by-case decisions (that doesn't scale well). I think logo policy should be a part of this. -- Paul W. Frields, RHCE http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 Fedora Documentation Project: http://fedora.redhat.com/projects/docs/ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From duffy at redhat.com Fri May 19 20:43:00 2006 From: duffy at redhat.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?M=E1ir=EDn_Duffy?=) Date: Fri, 19 May 2006 16:43:00 -0400 Subject: Some New Bluecurve Icons Message-ID: <446E2DD4.9050503@redhat.com> Hey everyone, So I've uploaded pngs & svgs for some new Bluecurve icons I've made: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/BluecurveLibrary Enjoy! GPL 2.0 license, just as the rest of Bluecurve. ~m -- M?ir?n Duffy Interaction Designer Red Hat Network :: Red Hat, Inc. Westford, MA From tchung at fedoraproject.org Fri May 19 21:05:07 2006 From: tchung at fedoraproject.org (Thomas Chung) Date: Fri, 19 May 2006 14:05:07 -0700 Subject: Some New Bluecurve Icons In-Reply-To: <446E2DD4.9050503@redhat.com> References: <446E2DD4.9050503@redhat.com> Message-ID: <369bce3b0605191405p5f67f59fl2fb30b4ff1ed23ca@mail.gmail.com> On 5/19/06, M?ir?n Duffy wrote: > Hey everyone, > > So I've uploaded pngs & svgs for some new Bluecurve icons I've made: > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/BluecurveLibrary > > Enjoy! GPL 2.0 license, just as the rest of Bluecurve. > > ~m > > -- > M?ir?n Duffy > Interaction Designer > Red Hat Network :: Red Hat, Inc. > Westford, MA Hi M?ir?n, I just fixed wiki link for attachments. BTW, the last two svg images seem to be corrupted. * bluecurve-patch.svg * bluecurve-patchset.svg Can't be opened either EOG or GIMP. Regards, -- Thomas Chung http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ThomasChung From matt at 0xf00d.com Sat May 20 18:01:48 2006 From: matt at 0xf00d.com (Matthew Swasey) Date: Sat, 20 May 2006 14:01:48 -0400 Subject: Some New Bluecurve Icons In-Reply-To: <446E2DD4.9050503@redhat.com> References: <446E2DD4.9050503@redhat.com> Message-ID: <1148148108.8237.0.camel@localhost> M?ir?n, Keep up the good work, those look fantastic! It's great to see bluecurve getting some love. On Fri, 2006-05-19 at 16:43 -0400, M?ir?n Duffy wrote: > Hey everyone, > > So I've uploaded pngs & svgs for some new Bluecurve icons I've made: > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/BluecurveLibrary > > Enjoy! GPL 2.0 license, just as the rest of Bluecurve. > > ~m > From nisses.mail at home.se Sat May 20 20:28:24 2006 From: nisses.mail at home.se (Andreas Nilsson) Date: Sat, 20 May 2006 22:28:24 +0200 Subject: Some New Bluecurve Icons In-Reply-To: <446E2DD4.9050503@redhat.com> References: <446E2DD4.9050503@redhat.com> Message-ID: <446F7BE8.7010905@home.se> M?ir?n Duffy wrote: > Hey everyone, > > So I've uploaded pngs & svgs for some new Bluecurve icons I've made: > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/BluecurveLibrary > > Enjoy! GPL 2.0 license, just as the rest of Bluecurve. > > ~m > Fixed the Certificate icon a bit (aligned it to a 48x48 grid and cleaned up some nodes). Here it is, provided in scalable, 24x24, 22x22 and 16x16. http://ramnet.se/~nisse/diverse/temp/certificate.tar.gz Hope it's usable. - Andreas From iamseawolf at gmail.com Sun May 21 19:54:10 2006 From: iamseawolf at gmail.com (seawolf) Date: Sun, 21 May 2006 20:54:10 +0100 Subject: A quick idea Message-ID: <9c3bfa1d0605211254u17e39e05g27916a1772241a6a@mail.gmail.com> Hi everyone -- I had a little idea yesterday and wanted to run it by you guys: for a one-time introduction, how about a little interactive Flash movie that launches the first time a user logs in? My intentions are to use Gnash to play it [it's gaining ground :-p] if the PCs good enough for it to run smoothly. It's just to give the desktop a little pizazz the first time someone sees it. Any thoughts? -- ..// seawolf //.. e-mail / msn / icq / yahoo iamseawolf (at) gmail (dot) com http://clik.to/seawolfsanctuary fedora core 5 : artwork GnuPG Available - ask me! From nman64 at n-man.com Mon May 22 05:44:07 2006 From: nman64 at n-man.com (Patrick W. Barnes) Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 00:44:07 -0500 Subject: A quick idea In-Reply-To: <9c3bfa1d0605211254u17e39e05g27916a1772241a6a@mail.gmail.com> References: <9c3bfa1d0605211254u17e39e05g27916a1772241a6a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200605220044.10390.nman64@n-man.com> On Sunday 21 May 2006 14:54, seawolf wrote: > Hi everyone -- > > I had a little idea yesterday and wanted to run it by you guys: > for a one-time introduction, how about a little interactive Flash > movie that launches the first time a user logs in? > > My intentions are to use Gnash to play it [it's gaining ground :-p] if > the PCs good enough for it to run smoothly. It's just to give the > desktop a little pizazz the first time someone sees it. > > Any thoughts? Flash is a non-starter. It'll have to be in a free format. -- Patrick "The N-Man" Barnes nman64 at n-man.com http://www.n-man.com/ LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/nman64 Have I been helpful? Rate my assistance! http://rate.affero.net/nman64/ -- -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Yeh, but it is tango-ified (gray outline, thango-style shadow), so i don't think your updated version fit on a Bluecurve library. -- nicu Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Mon May 22 07:56:57 2006 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 10:56:57 +0300 Subject: Some New Bluecurve Icons In-Reply-To: <369bce3b0605191405p5f67f59fl2fb30b4ff1ed23ca@mail.gmail.com> References: <446E2DD4.9050503@redhat.com> <369bce3b0605191405p5f67f59fl2fb30b4ff1ed23ca@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <44716EC9.8050304@nicubunu.ro> Thomas Chung wrote: > > BTW, the last two svg images seem to be corrupted. > * bluecurve-patch.svg > * bluecurve-patchset.svg > > Can't be opened either EOG or GIMP. Works for me: EOG, Inkscape, Firefox - all open them fine -- nicu Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From iamseawolf at gmail.com Mon May 22 08:06:34 2006 From: iamseawolf at gmail.com (seawolf) Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 09:06:34 +0100 Subject: A quick idea In-Reply-To: <200605220044.10390.nman64@n-man.com> References: <9c3bfa1d0605211254u17e39e05g27916a1772241a6a@mail.gmail.com> <200605220044.10390.nman64@n-man.com> Message-ID: <9c3bfa1d0605220106j476db6ffyefe6dbce3d0a872b@mail.gmail.com> Damn. Thought cos of Gnash, it'd be ok to use. Cheers anyways. On 22/05/06, Patrick W. Barnes wrote: > On Sunday 21 May 2006 14:54, seawolf wrote: > > Hi everyone -- > > > > I had a little idea yesterday and wanted to run it by you guys: > > for a one-time introduction, how about a little interactive Flash > > movie that launches the first time a user logs in? > > > > My intentions are to use Gnash to play it [it's gaining ground :-p] if > > the PCs good enough for it to run smoothly. It's just to give the > > desktop a little pizazz the first time someone sees it. > > > > Any thoughts? > > Flash is a non-starter. It'll have to be in a free format. > > -- > Patrick "The N-Man" Barnes > nman64 at n-man.com > > http://www.n-man.com/ > > LinkedIn: > http://www.linkedin.com/in/nman64 > > Have I been helpful? Rate my assistance! > http://rate.affero.net/nman64/ > -- > > > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list > > > > -- ..// seawolf //.. e-mail / msn / icq / yahoo iamseawolf (at) gmail (dot) com http://clik.to/seawolfsanctuary fedora core 5 : artwork GnuPG Available - ask me! From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Mon May 22 08:28:42 2006 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 11:28:42 +0300 Subject: A quick idea In-Reply-To: <9c3bfa1d0605220106j476db6ffyefe6dbce3d0a872b@mail.gmail.com> References: <9c3bfa1d0605211254u17e39e05g27916a1772241a6a@mail.gmail.com> <200605220044.10390.nman64@n-man.com> <9c3bfa1d0605220106j476db6ffyefe6dbce3d0a872b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4471763A.4060200@nicubunu.ro> seawolf wrote: > Damn. > > Thought cos of Gnash, it'd be ok to use. > > Cheers anyways. Unfortunately, there is no tool to create or play animated SVG (Inkscape has this on the roadmap, but not in the near future), otherwise SVG would be ideal for the task. Another alternative could be to create the introduction in something like OOo Impress, export as PDF and play it in the default PDF viewer (this way you can have animated transitions between frames). And why not use just HTML/CSS/nice graphics/a bit of JavaScript? Or maybe for smoother graphics, static SVG with working hyperlinks, viewed in the default browser. > On 22/05/06, Patrick W. Barnes wrote: >> On Sunday 21 May 2006 14:54, seawolf wrote: >> > Hi everyone -- >> > >> > I had a little idea yesterday and wanted to run it by you guys: >> > for a one-time introduction, how about a little interactive Flash >> > movie that launches the first time a user logs in? >> > >> > My intentions are to use Gnash to play it [it's gaining ground :-p] if >> > the PCs good enough for it to run smoothly. It's just to give the >> > desktop a little pizazz the first time someone sees it. >> > >> > Any thoughts? >> >> Flash is a non-starter. It'll have to be in a free format. -- nicu Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From iamseawolf at gmail.com Mon May 22 11:32:38 2006 From: iamseawolf at gmail.com (seawolf) Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 12:32:38 +0100 Subject: A quick idea In-Reply-To: <4471763A.4060200@nicubunu.ro> References: <9c3bfa1d0605211254u17e39e05g27916a1772241a6a@mail.gmail.com> <200605220044.10390.nman64@n-man.com> <9c3bfa1d0605220106j476db6ffyefe6dbce3d0a872b@mail.gmail.com> <4471763A.4060200@nicubunu.ro> Message-ID: <9c3bfa1d0605220432k7ffc855cw980f7d789d5d4ab9@mail.gmail.com> Good points, another format could be used. A HTML version is my preferred one out of those, the transitions etc. would not really be essential whereas the interactivity is (IMHO). Much the same in Knoppix etc. So, is the general consensus a good one? As I said before, I thought it would be a nice touch. On 22/05/06, Nicu Buculei wrote: > seawolf wrote: > > Damn. > > > > Thought cos of Gnash, it'd be ok to use. > > > > Cheers anyways. > > Unfortunately, there is no tool to create or play animated SVG (Inkscape > has this on the roadmap, but not in the near future), otherwise SVG > would be ideal for the task. > > Another alternative could be to create the introduction in something > like OOo Impress, export as PDF and play it in the default PDF viewer > (this way you can have animated transitions between frames). > > And why not use just HTML/CSS/nice graphics/a bit of JavaScript? Or > maybe for smoother graphics, static SVG with working hyperlinks, viewed > in the default browser. > > > On 22/05/06, Patrick W. Barnes wrote: > >> On Sunday 21 May 2006 14:54, seawolf wrote: > >> > Hi everyone -- > >> > > >> > I had a little idea yesterday and wanted to run it by you guys: > >> > for a one-time introduction, how about a little interactive Flash > >> > movie that launches the first time a user logs in? > >> > > >> > My intentions are to use Gnash to play it [it's gaining ground :-p] if > >> > the PCs good enough for it to run smoothly. It's just to give the > >> > desktop a little pizazz the first time someone sees it. > >> > > >> > Any thoughts? > >> > >> Flash is a non-starter. It'll have to be in a free format. > > -- > nicu > Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ > Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org > my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list > -- ..// seawolf //.. e-mail / msn / icq / yahoo iamseawolf (at) gmail (dot) com http://clik.to/seawolfsanctuary fedora core 5 : artwork GnuPG Available - ask me! From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Mon May 22 12:24:02 2006 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 15:24:02 +0300 Subject: A quick idea In-Reply-To: <9c3bfa1d0605220432k7ffc855cw980f7d789d5d4ab9@mail.gmail.com> References: <9c3bfa1d0605211254u17e39e05g27916a1772241a6a@mail.gmail.com> <200605220044.10390.nman64@n-man.com> <9c3bfa1d0605220106j476db6ffyefe6dbce3d0a872b@mail.gmail.com> <4471763A.4060200@nicubunu.ro> <9c3bfa1d0605220432k7ffc855cw980f7d789d5d4ab9@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4471AD62.2060505@nicubunu.ro> seawolf wrote: > Good points, another format could be used. > A HTML version is my preferred one out of those, the transitions etc. > would not really be essential whereas the interactivity is (IMHO). > Much the same in Knoppix etc. SVG can be used *exactly* in the same manner as HTML, with the advantage of a much easier to create layout, see the following example with Firefox 1.5+ or Seamonkey 1.0+: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/artwork/one.svg With some Javascript added manually, it can behave very much like Flash (rollovers for example) . > So, is the general consensus a good one? > As I said before, I thought it would be a nice touch. > > On 22/05/06, Nicu Buculei wrote: >> seawolf wrote: >> > Damn. >> > >> > Thought cos of Gnash, it'd be ok to use. >> > >> > Cheers anyways. >> >> Unfortunately, there is no tool to create or play animated SVG (Inkscape >> has this on the roadmap, but not in the near future), otherwise SVG >> would be ideal for the task. >> >> Another alternative could be to create the introduction in something >> like OOo Impress, export as PDF and play it in the default PDF viewer >> (this way you can have animated transitions between frames). >> >> And why not use just HTML/CSS/nice graphics/a bit of JavaScript? Or >> maybe for smoother graphics, static SVG with working hyperlinks, viewed >> in the default browser. -- nicu Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From duffy at redhat.com Mon May 22 16:11:08 2006 From: duffy at redhat.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?M=E1ir=EDn_Duffy?=) Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 12:11:08 -0400 Subject: Some New Bluecurve Icons In-Reply-To: <44716E33.6040101@nicubunu.ro> References: <446E2DD4.9050503@redhat.com> <446F7BE8.7010905@home.se> <44716E33.6040101@nicubunu.ro> Message-ID: <4471E29C.8010104@redhat.com> Hi Andreas, > Andreas Nilsson wrote: >> Here it is, provided in scalable, 24x24, 22x22 and 16x16. >> http://ramnet.se/~nisse/diverse/temp/certificate.tar.gz Nicu Buculei wrote: > Yeh, but it is tango-ified (gray outline, thango-style shadow), so i > don't think your updated version fit on a Bluecurve library. I've gotta agree with Nicu - the angles are too sharp, and the outline & shadows make it not seem bluecurve-y - you may want to submit as a tango icon though! :) Thanks, though! ~m From duffy at redhat.com Mon May 22 21:04:42 2006 From: duffy at redhat.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?M=E1ir=EDn_Duffy?=) Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 17:04:42 -0400 Subject: Cataloguing & Converting Bluecurve Icons Message-ID: <4472276A.6070100@redhat.com> Hi Everybody, So with Diana's help, I've put everything we've got as far as Bluecurve icons up on my website: http://people.redhat.com/duffy/icons/ The only ones not included here are the ones I've created or modified which I've put up in the fedoraproject.org wiki: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/BluecurveLibrary I think there is a real need to catalog these, in an Inkscape-compatible SVG format, and make it easy for anybody to (1) grab the artwork they need (2) contribute changes / tweaks / improvements (3) contribute new icons As I create new icons, I'll be putting them in the wiki, but... I don't think that is especially scaleable, considering the number of icons we have. Does anybody have any ideas as far as how we can catalog these images nicely? Are there any FOSS photo gallery apps that maybe have revision control built-in? My first thought is to simply set up a svn or cvs repo with a nice web frontend for people to browse & grab the icons... but I'm afraid setting up svn/cvs and learning all that crap will be a big barrier to entry for new artists. Maybe there is a web frontend for a revision control system that lets you upload new revisions from your browser? Any ideas greatly appreciated :) ~m -- M?ir?n Duffy Interaction Designer Red Hat Network :: Red Hat, Inc. Westford, MA From stevelist at silverorange.com Mon May 22 21:43:45 2006 From: stevelist at silverorange.com (Steven Garrity) Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 18:43:45 -0300 Subject: Cataloguing & Converting Bluecurve Icons In-Reply-To: <4472276A.6070100@redhat.com> References: <4472276A.6070100@redhat.com> Message-ID: <44723091.9090102@silverorange.com> Is it fair to assume, then, that the Bluecurve icon style will live on? Bluecurve has been a great style, but is starting to look a bit date. Over at the Tango project, the isometric perspective has been avoided based on it's visual complexity and the difficultly in creating/maintaining icons in such a perspective. I would propose one of two options: 1. Adoption of the Tango icon library. The icons look good, there is active and eager maintainer-ship, and apps are starting to use the style (Sound Juicer, F-Spot, Banshee, Gimp, Inkscape, Scribus etc. ). 2. Adoption of the Tango *style* guidelines, while still keeping a custom icon set for Fedora. This would have all of the advantages (especially consistency) while maintaining a distinctive style. Andreas Nilsson brought up something like option #2 on the list a while back [1]. He included a screenshot mockup: http://ramnet.se/~nisse/blog/images/foxtrot.png The thing about Tango is, for it to really work, there needs to be adoption. Can we get a feel for how those at the helm of the art for Fedora? If there are things about the style that are keeping Fedora from adopting the Tango style - let us know. There is still plenty of room for improvement in the style and guidelines. Cheers, Steven Garrity [1] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-art-list/2006-April/msg00034.html M?ir?n Duffy wrote: > Hi Everybody, > > So with Diana's help, I've put everything we've got as far as Bluecurve > icons up on my website: > > http://people.redhat.com/duffy/icons/ > > The only ones not included here are the ones I've created or modified > which I've put up in the fedoraproject.org wiki: > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/BluecurveLibrary > > I think there is a real need to catalog these, in an Inkscape-compatible > SVG format, and make it easy for anybody to > > (1) grab the artwork they need > (2) contribute changes / tweaks / improvements > (3) contribute new icons > > As I create new icons, I'll be putting them in the wiki, but... I don't > think that is especially scaleable, considering the number of icons we > have. Does anybody have any ideas as far as how we can catalog these > images nicely? Are there any FOSS photo gallery apps that maybe have > revision control built-in? > > My first thought is to simply set up a svn or cvs repo with a nice web > frontend for people to browse & grab the icons... but I'm afraid setting > up svn/cvs and learning all that crap will be a big barrier to entry for > new artists. Maybe there is a web frontend for a revision control system > that lets you upload new revisions from your browser? > > Any ideas greatly appreciated :) > > ~m > From stevelist at silverorange.com Mon May 22 21:46:34 2006 From: stevelist at silverorange.com (Steven Garrity) Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 18:46:34 -0300 Subject: Cataloguing & Converting Bluecurve Icons In-Reply-To: <44723091.9090102@silverorange.com> References: <4472276A.6070100@redhat.com> <44723091.9090102@silverorange.com> Message-ID: <44723139.1090205@silverorange.com> Steven Garrity wrote: > Can we get a feel for how those at the helm of the art for Fedora? Oops - I didn't finish that sentence. It should read: Can we get a feel for how those at the helm of the art for Fedora feel about Tango and the future of the Bluecurve icon style? Cheers, Steven Garrity From duffy at redhat.com Mon May 22 22:22:10 2006 From: duffy at redhat.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?M=E1ir=EDn_Duffy?=) Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 18:22:10 -0400 Subject: Cataloguing & Converting Bluecurve Icons In-Reply-To: <44723091.9090102@silverorange.com> References: <4472276A.6070100@redhat.com> <44723091.9090102@silverorange.com> Message-ID: <44723992.4000509@redhat.com> Hi Steven! Steven Garrity wrote: > Is it fair to assume, then, that the Bluecurve icon style will live on? Well, this effort is pretty much orthogonal to discussion of Fedora's default icon set. :) *Many* people have expressed interest in keeping Bluecurve alive. Whether or not it lives on as the default style for Fedora, it's still a large set of GPL artwork that is sadly quite poorly documented, so this is a plan to at least make a set of guidelines for making more icons in the set and making it easy to browse the entire catalog of icons and contribute to it. > The thing about Tango is, for it to really work, there needs to be > adoption. How so? Is there really that much advantage to every Linux desktop's icons looking *exactly* the same? How about if we stuck to a common set of metaphors? This is something that I brought up in my discussion with Andreas that still has not been addressed for me: " btw, if you have any suggestions on how we could make the guidelines better, like if some of the palette colors suck please tell us they are not set in stone in any way andreasn: it's not the palette colors specifically as its just the entire aesthetic. * dfong nod andreasn: what i think would be better is like what dfong is suggesting - guidelines for the icon metaphors because i think (i hope) the whole point is to make the linux desktop across distros easier to use andreasn: the icon metaphor i think is really more the meat of the usability issue than the actual aesthetic appearance" [1] ~m [1] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-art-list/2006-April/msg00036.html From nisses.mail at home.se Mon May 22 22:24:44 2006 From: nisses.mail at home.se (Andreas Nilsson) Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 00:24:44 +0200 Subject: Cataloguing & Converting Bluecurve Icons In-Reply-To: <44723091.9090102@silverorange.com> References: <4472276A.6070100@redhat.com> <44723091.9090102@silverorange.com> Message-ID: <44723A2C.9080506@home.se> Steven Garrity wrote: > Andreas Nilsson brought up something like option #2 on the list a > while back [1]. He included a screenshot mockup: > http://ramnet.se/~nisse/blog/images/foxtrot.png That could be totally improved though, I just recolored some icons from tango-icon-theme (just to test some stuff out). The computer wouldn't have to be that model, the folder wouldn't need to have that perspective and the trash could look a bit different. - Andreas > > M?ir?n Duffy wrote: >> Hi Everybody, >> >> So with Diana's help, I've put everything we've got as far as >> Bluecurve icons up on my website: >> >> http://people.redhat.com/duffy/icons/ >> >> The only ones not included here are the ones I've created or modified >> which I've put up in the fedoraproject.org wiki: >> >> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/BluecurveLibrary >> >> I think there is a real need to catalog these, in an >> Inkscape-compatible SVG format, and make it easy for anybody to >> >> (1) grab the artwork they need >> (2) contribute changes / tweaks / improvements >> (3) contribute new icons >> >> As I create new icons, I'll be putting them in the wiki, but... I >> don't think that is especially scaleable, considering the number of >> icons we have. Does anybody have any ideas as far as how we can >> catalog these images nicely? Are there any FOSS photo gallery apps >> that maybe have revision control built-in? >> >> My first thought is to simply set up a svn or cvs repo with a nice >> web frontend for people to browse & grab the icons... but I'm afraid >> setting up svn/cvs and learning all that crap will be a big barrier >> to entry for new artists. Maybe there is a web frontend for a >> revision control system that lets you upload new revisions from your >> browser? >> >> Any ideas greatly appreciated :) >> >> ~m >> > From nisses.mail at home.se Mon May 22 22:37:57 2006 From: nisses.mail at home.se (Andreas Nilsson) Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 00:37:57 +0200 Subject: Some New Bluecurve Icons In-Reply-To: <4471E29C.8010104@redhat.com> References: <446E2DD4.9050503@redhat.com> <446F7BE8.7010905@home.se> <44716E33.6040101@nicubunu.ro> <4471E29C.8010104@redhat.com> Message-ID: <44723D45.5080704@home.se> M?ir?n Duffy wrote: > Hi Andreas, > >> Andreas Nilsson wrote: >>> Here it is, provided in scalable, 24x24, 22x22 and 16x16. >>> http://ramnet.se/~nisse/diverse/temp/certificate.tar.gz > > Nicu Buculei wrote: >> Yeh, but it is tango-ified (gray outline, thango-style shadow), so i >> don't think your updated version fit on a Bluecurve library. > > I've gotta agree with Nicu - the angles are too sharp, and the outline > & shadows make it not seem bluecurve-y - you may want to submit as a > tango icon though! :) Thanks, though! Yeah, well, the reason I fixed it in those sizes was because I needed those for the application-certificate mimetype in GNOME. Redrawing it in every distros default icon-theme-style didn't cut it, so that's why it's in tango-style. It would be rather easy for anyone interested to fix it up to be in bluecurve-style though, as the svg's for all three sizes are provided. - Andreas From stevelist at silverorange.com Mon May 22 22:54:53 2006 From: stevelist at silverorange.com (Steven Garrity) Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 19:54:53 -0300 Subject: Cataloguing & Converting Bluecurve Icons In-Reply-To: <44723992.4000509@redhat.com> References: <4472276A.6070100@redhat.com> <44723091.9090102@silverorange.com> <44723992.4000509@redhat.com> Message-ID: <4472413D.5040205@silverorange.com> M?ir?n Duffy wrote: > *Many* people have expressed interest in keeping Bluecurve alive. > Whether or not it lives on as the default style for Fedora, it's still a > large set of GPL artwork that is sadly quite poorly documented, so this > is a plan to at least make a set of guidelines for making more icons in > the set and making it easy to browse the entire catalog of icons and > contribute to it. Make sense. >> The thing about Tango is, for it to really work, there needs to be >> adoption. > How so? To create a visual style that 3rd-party app developers can design to fit in with (as they can on the Mac, and sort-of on Windows), there must be a relatively consistent general visual style across the major distros. Maybe that's a pipe-dream (or just bad idea)... > Is there really that much advantage to every Linux desktop's icons > looking *exactly* the same? How about if we stuck to a common set of > metaphors? This is something that I brought up in my discussion with > Andreas that still has not been addressed for me: No, they don't have to be exactly the same. However, pushing this that make sense to be in common upstream makes sense. Sharing things like stroke-style, perspective, etc. can make things easier for 3rd party apps developers to blend in with. As for icon metaphors, that's a great idea. There was some talk of a common icon metaphor list on the Tango list. We've got a basic table of existing icon metaphors used in KDE and Gnome, and the suggested Tango metaphor. It is quite incomplete, but we'd love to have help/collaboration on it. Steven Garrity From tchung at fedoraproject.org Tue May 23 01:02:28 2006 From: tchung at fedoraproject.org (Thomas Chung) Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 18:02:28 -0700 Subject: Some New Bluecurve Icons In-Reply-To: <446E2DD4.9050503@redhat.com> References: <446E2DD4.9050503@redhat.com> Message-ID: <369bce3b0605221802g76d6dc0by272fd5b3dfcfef85@mail.gmail.com> On 5/19/06, M?ir?n Duffy wrote: > Hey everyone, > > So I've uploaded pngs & svgs for some new Bluecurve icons I've made: > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/BluecurveLibrary > > Enjoy! GPL 2.0 license, just as the rest of Bluecurve. > > ~m Hi M?ir?n, I'm still having problem opening following attachments in eog-2.14.1-1.fc5.1 * bluecurve-patch.svg * bluecurve-patchset.svg The rest of attachements looks ok except those two above shows nothing in my eog. Would you please verify them? Regards, -- Thomas Chung http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ThomasChung From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Tue May 23 05:32:07 2006 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 08:32:07 +0300 Subject: Some New Bluecurve Icons In-Reply-To: <369bce3b0605221802g76d6dc0by272fd5b3dfcfef85@mail.gmail.com> References: <446E2DD4.9050503@redhat.com> <369bce3b0605221802g76d6dc0by272fd5b3dfcfef85@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <44729E57.5070308@nicubunu.ro> Thomas Chung wrote: > > Hi M?ir?n, > I'm still having problem opening following attachments in > eog-2.14.1-1.fc5.1 > * bluecurve-patch.svg > * bluecurve-patchset.svg > > The rest of attachements looks ok except those two above shows nothing > in my eog. > Would you please verify them? I cleaned the SVG files of the garbage left by Adobe Illustrator and now they should look perfectly in EOG and have smaller file size (9.5 KB instead of 492.8 KB, respectively 43 KB instead of 521.5 KB - right, just that bad is SVG export in Illustrator) -- nicu Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Tue May 23 06:10:25 2006 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 09:10:25 +0300 Subject: Cataloguing & Converting Bluecurve Icons In-Reply-To: <4472276A.6070100@redhat.com> References: <4472276A.6070100@redhat.com> Message-ID: <4472A751.30301@nicubunu.ro> M?ir?n Duffy wrote: > I think there is a real need to catalog these, in an Inkscape-compatible > SVG format, and make it easy for anybody to > > (1) grab the artwork they need > (2) contribute changes / tweaks / improvements > (3) contribute new icons I don't have access to Illustrator, so if someone else can convert the .ai files to SVG i can help cleaning the results, breaking the icons in individual files etc. > As I create new icons, I'll be putting them in the wiki, but... I don't > think that is especially scaleable, considering the number of icons we > have. Does anybody have any ideas as far as how we can catalog these > images nicely? Are there any FOSS photo gallery apps that maybe have > revision control built-in? Not only that, it should also support our specific file types. A gallery would be awesome, for a large number of icons search functionality will become important. Also we may want some kind of feedback (comments). Unfortunately, the choice is very restricted: people in charge of the website infrastructure have a policy - no php is allowed, python is the preferred language, so the large majority of gallery software is out of reach. > My first thought is to simply set up a svn or cvs repo with a nice web > frontend for people to browse & grab the icons... but I'm afraid setting > up svn/cvs and learning all that crap will be a big barrier to entry for > new artists. Maybe there is a web frontend for a revision control system > that lets you upload new revisions from your browser? At the Open Clip Art Library we have the plan of using CreativeCommon's ccHost (http://wiki.creativecommons.org/CcHost), but we have to add SVG support before it can be used for the job. I think such a tool would be useful for Fedora Art, if not for icons at least for wallpapers. -- nicu Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From nman64 at n-man.com Tue May 23 06:53:41 2006 From: nman64 at n-man.com (Patrick W. Barnes) Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 01:53:41 -0500 Subject: Cataloguing & Converting Bluecurve Icons In-Reply-To: <4472A751.30301@nicubunu.ro> References: <4472276A.6070100@redhat.com> <4472A751.30301@nicubunu.ro> Message-ID: <200605230153.44173.nman64@n-man.com> On Tuesday 23 May 2006 01:10, Nicu Buculei wrote: > M?ir?n Duffy wrote: > > I think there is a real need to catalog these, in an Inkscape-compatible > > SVG format, and make it easy for anybody to > > > > (1) grab the artwork they need > > (2) contribute changes / tweaks / improvements > > (3) contribute new icons > > I don't have access to Illustrator, so if someone else can convert the > .ai files to SVG i can help cleaning the results, breaking the icons in > individual files etc. > Open formats are going to be required for any Fedora project. The sooner we have everything in open formats, the better. I personally use only open tools anyway, but those who do not need to run exports before publishing items for the project's use. > > As I create new icons, I'll be putting them in the wiki, but... I don't > > think that is especially scaleable, considering the number of icons we > > have. Does anybody have any ideas as far as how we can catalog these > > images nicely? Are there any FOSS photo gallery apps that maybe have > > revision control built-in? > > Not only that, it should also support our specific file types. > A gallery would be awesome, for a large number of icons search > functionality will become important. Also we may want some kind of > feedback (comments). > > Unfortunately, the choice is very restricted: people in charge of the > website infrastructure have a policy - no php is allowed, python is the > preferred language, so the large majority of gallery software is out of > reach. > > > My first thought is to simply set up a svn or cvs repo with a nice web > > frontend for people to browse & grab the icons... but I'm afraid setting > > up svn/cvs and learning all that crap will be a big barrier to entry for > > new artists. Maybe there is a web frontend for a revision control system > > that lets you upload new revisions from your browser? > > At the Open Clip Art Library we have the plan of using CreativeCommon's > ccHost (http://wiki.creativecommons.org/CcHost), but we have to add SVG > support before it can be used for the job. I think such a tool would be > useful for Fedora Art, if not for icons at least for wallpapers. At one point, we had a volunteer stating that he would create a gallery tool for Fedora Project use. I'll bug him to see if he has done anything, but I suspect he hasn't. -- Patrick "The N-Man" Barnes nman64 at n-man.com http://www.n-man.com/ LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/nman64 Have I been helpful? Rate my assistance! http://rate.affero.net/nman64/ -- -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available URL: From duffy at redhat.com Tue May 23 14:51:26 2006 From: duffy at redhat.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?M=E1ir=EDn_Duffy?=) Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 10:51:26 -0400 Subject: Cataloguing & Converting Bluecurve Icons In-Reply-To: <4472A751.30301@nicubunu.ro> References: <4472276A.6070100@redhat.com> <4472A751.30301@nicubunu.ro> Message-ID: <4473216E.7080208@redhat.com> Nicu Buculei wrote: > I don't have access to Illustrator, so if someone else can convert the > .ai files to SVG i can help cleaning the results, breaking the icons in > individual files etc. I can start converting them to SVG. The reason I haven't thus far - if you convert a whole ai sheet to SVG, it croaks when you try to open it in Inkscape - I don't think through any fault of Inkscape, I think just because Illustrator isn't real swift at exporting SVG. Sigh. I'm probably going to have to break the sheets into chunks to get this to work - If anybody else has Illustrator and is willing to help let me know and we can divy them up. > Not only that, it should also support our specific file types. > A gallery would be awesome, for a large number of icons search > functionality will become important. Also we may want some kind of > feedback (comments). > > Unfortunately, the choice is very restricted: people in charge of the > website infrastructure have a policy - no php is allowed, python is the > preferred language, so the large majority of gallery software is out of > reach. Yeh..... these limitations really suck. :-/ > At the Open Clip Art Library we have the plan of using CreativeCommon's > ccHost (http://wiki.creativecommons.org/CcHost), but we have to add SVG > support before it can be used for the job. I think such a tool would be > useful for Fedora Art, if not for icons at least for wallpapers. Interesting, I will take a look! ~m From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Wed May 24 05:52:48 2006 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Wed, 24 May 2006 08:52:48 +0300 Subject: Cataloguing & Converting Bluecurve Icons In-Reply-To: <4473216E.7080208@redhat.com> References: <4472276A.6070100@redhat.com> <4472A751.30301@nicubunu.ro> <4473216E.7080208@redhat.com> Message-ID: <4473F4B0.6050402@nicubunu.ro> M?ir?n Duffy wrote: > > I can start converting them to SVG. The reason I haven't thus far - if > you convert a whole ai sheet to SVG, it croaks when you try to open it > in Inkscape - I don't think through any fault of Inkscape, I think just > because Illustrator isn't real swift at exporting SVG. Sigh. I'm > probably going to have to break the sheets into chunks to get this to > work - If anybody else has Illustrator and is willing to help let me > know and we can divy them up. A possible solution learned from an Illustrator user on Open Clip Art Library: at export turn off "Preserve Illustrator Editing Capabilites" My manual solution: open the SVG file in a text editor and delete everything encompassed by and - make a script to automate it if needed. Those will greatly reduce the size of the SVG files, hope Inkscape will be able to open them after the file size reduction. -- nicu Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From andyfitz at gmail.com Wed May 24 06:22:45 2006 From: andyfitz at gmail.com (Andy Fitzsimon) Date: Wed, 24 May 2006 16:22:45 +1000 Subject: Cataloguing & Converting Bluecurve Icons In-Reply-To: <4473F4B0.6050402@nicubunu.ro> References: <4472276A.6070100@redhat.com> <4472A751.30301@nicubunu.ro> <4473216E.7080208@redhat.com> <4473F4B0.6050402@nicubunu.ro> Message-ID: Hey guys , just some quick heads up before attempting this.. the xml produced by illustrator is flaky ( we all know this ) But. the big things to watch out for with blurcurve in particular is the overuse of clippaths where it would otherwise be sane to use normal shapes, another would be extraneous gradient definitions where the one stop-descriptive gradient is presented many many times in the xml. Separation of all these assets into self-contained files is a few hours someone else is doing to have to spend. Once that's complete: Cleaning the XML and reproduction are services i'd certainly like to offer ( so long as I can be assured those changes get comitted ). It looks like i'll be using these assets more often. Also, can someone confirm the license for the bluecurve palette ? LGPL or PublicDomain or both acceptable for us to move bluecurve into CREATE / Inkscape by default. Good luck! AndyFitz From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Wed May 24 06:53:11 2006 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Wed, 24 May 2006 09:53:11 +0300 Subject: Cataloguing & Converting Bluecurve Icons In-Reply-To: References: <4472276A.6070100@redhat.com> <4472A751.30301@nicubunu.ro> <4473216E.7080208@redhat.com> <4473F4B0.6050402@nicubunu.ro> Message-ID: <447402D7.10605@nicubunu.ro> Andy Fitzsimon wrote: > Hey guys , just some quick heads up before attempting this.. > > the xml produced by illustrator is flaky ( we all know this ) > But. the big things to watch out for with blurcurve in particular is > the overuse of clippaths where it would otherwise be sane to use > normal shapes, another would be extraneous gradient definitions where > the one stop-descriptive gradient is presented many many times in the > xml. > > Separation of all these assets into self-contained files is a few > hours someone else is doing to have to spend. Once that's complete: > Cleaning the XML and reproduction are services i'd certainly like to > offer ( so long as I can be assured those changes get comitted ). It > looks like i'll be using these assets more often. > > Also, can someone confirm the license for the bluecurve palette ? > LGPL or PublicDomain or both acceptable for us to move bluecurve into > CREATE / Inkscape by default. I don't think someone can copyright a collection of hex values, a palette is nothing more than that. I assembled a palette file, use it under any license you need: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/BluecurveIconGuidelines?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=bluecurve.gpl I had not submitted it myself to Inkscape as i was not thinking is interesting enough for the project and not realized Create is another place where it can be useful - i guess i am a bad Create member :D -- nicu Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From david at fubar.dk Wed May 24 17:48:47 2006 From: david at fubar.dk (David Zeuthen) Date: Wed, 24 May 2006 13:48:47 -0400 Subject: Cataloguing & Converting Bluecurve Icons In-Reply-To: <44723992.4000509@redhat.com> References: <4472276A.6070100@redhat.com> <44723091.9090102@silverorange.com> <44723992.4000509@redhat.com> Message-ID: <1148492927.2575.6.camel@daxter.boston.redhat.com> On Mon, 2006-05-22 at 18:22 -0400, M?ir?n Duffy wrote: > Hi Steven! > > Steven Garrity wrote: > > Is it fair to assume, then, that the Bluecurve icon style will live on? > > Well, this effort is pretty much orthogonal to discussion of Fedora's default > icon set. :) Do you think it make sense to support more than one icon set in the Fedora Core distribution? I guess this is similar to the question "Should Fedora Core continue including KDE along GNOME?" in a way and I know what many sane people would answer here. Food for thought... or something. David From duffy at redhat.com Wed May 24 17:55:03 2006 From: duffy at redhat.com (=?UTF-8?B?TcOhaXLDrW4gRHVmZnk=?=) Date: Wed, 24 May 2006 13:55:03 -0400 Subject: Cataloguing & Converting Bluecurve Icons In-Reply-To: <1148492927.2575.6.camel@daxter.boston.redhat.com> References: <4472276A.6070100@redhat.com> <44723091.9090102@silverorange.com> <44723992.4000509@redhat.com> <1148492927.2575.6.camel@daxter.boston.redhat.com> Message-ID: <44749DF7.6040708@redhat.com> David Zeuthen wrote: > Do you think it make sense to support more than one icon set in the > Fedora Core distribution? Has anybody proposed that? (I haven't. And I don't see anybody else doing so.) So, I'm confused...? > I guess this is similar to the question > "Should Fedora Core continue including KDE along GNOME?" in a way and I > know what many sane people would answer here. 'Sane' to you is not sane to everybody... so I really am not sure what you're trying to say between the lines; I can see arguments for either side. ~m From david at fubar.dk Wed May 24 18:02:27 2006 From: david at fubar.dk (David Zeuthen) Date: Wed, 24 May 2006 14:02:27 -0400 Subject: Cataloguing & Converting Bluecurve Icons In-Reply-To: <44749DF7.6040708@redhat.com> References: <4472276A.6070100@redhat.com> <44723091.9090102@silverorange.com> <44723992.4000509@redhat.com> <1148492927.2575.6.camel@daxter.boston.redhat.com> <44749DF7.6040708@redhat.com> Message-ID: <1148493747.2575.13.camel@daxter.boston.redhat.com> On Wed, 2006-05-24 at 13:55 -0400, M?ir?n Duffy wrote: > David Zeuthen wrote: > > Do you think it make sense to support more than one icon set in the > > Fedora Core distribution? > > Has anybody proposed that? (I haven't. And I don't see anybody else doing so.) > > So, I'm confused...? This was in response to when you said "this effort is pretty much orthogonal to discussion of Fedora's default icon set". I'm just questioning expending time and effort on Bluecurve if it's not going to be the default? > > I guess this is similar to the question > > "Should Fedora Core continue including KDE along GNOME?" in a way and I > > know what many sane people would answer here. > > 'Sane' to you is not sane to everybody... so I really am not sure what you're > trying to say between the lines; I can see arguments for either side. I'm just saying it doesn't make sense to put effort into trying to support two competing things just so the user can have a preference. But that's just my view of things. David From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Wed May 24 18:02:48 2006 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Wed, 24 May 2006 23:32:48 +0530 Subject: Cataloguing & Converting Bluecurve Icons In-Reply-To: <44749DF7.6040708@redhat.com> References: <4472276A.6070100@redhat.com> <44723091.9090102@silverorange.com> <44723992.4000509@redhat.com> <1148492927.2575.6.camel@daxter.boston.redhat.com> <44749DF7.6040708@redhat.com> Message-ID: <1148493768.4310.593.camel@sundaram.pnq.redhat.com> On Wed, 2006-05-24 at 13:55 -0400, M?ir?n Duffy wrote: > David Zeuthen wrote: > > Do you think it make sense to support more than one icon set in the > > Fedora Core distribution? > > Has anybody proposed that? (I haven't. And I don't see anybody else doing so.) > > So, I'm confused...? If we are going to switch to another icon set by default, it isnt quite efficient to put in too much effort into documenting and updating BlueCurve. So which icon set are we going to provide by default in Fedora should be answered before we put too much effort into reviving BlueCurve. Thats the point. > > > I guess this is similar to the question > > "Should Fedora Core continue including KDE along GNOME?" in a way and I > > know what many sane people would answer here. > > 'Sane' to you is not sane to everybody... so I really am not sure what you're > trying to say between the lines; I can see arguments for either side. > > > ~m Rahul From david at fubar.dk Wed May 24 18:10:31 2006 From: david at fubar.dk (David Zeuthen) Date: Wed, 24 May 2006 14:10:31 -0400 Subject: Cataloguing & Converting Bluecurve Icons In-Reply-To: <1148493768.4310.593.camel@sundaram.pnq.redhat.com> References: <4472276A.6070100@redhat.com> <44723091.9090102@silverorange.com> <44723992.4000509@redhat.com> <1148492927.2575.6.camel@daxter.boston.redhat.com> <44749DF7.6040708@redhat.com> <1148493768.4310.593.camel@sundaram.pnq.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1148494232.2575.18.camel@daxter.boston.redhat.com> On Wed, 2006-05-24 at 23:32 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > If we are going to switch to another icon set by default, it isnt quite > efficient to put in too much effort into documenting and updating > BlueCurve. So which icon set are we going to provide by default in > Fedora should be answered before we put too much effort into reviving > BlueCurve. Thats the point. Yea, in a nut shell. I think it would be nice with some clarity of this, that's all I'm asking for. Thanks. David From duffy at redhat.com Wed May 24 18:13:26 2006 From: duffy at redhat.com (=?UTF-8?B?TcOhaXLDrW4gRHVmZnk=?=) Date: Wed, 24 May 2006 14:13:26 -0400 Subject: Cataloguing & Converting Bluecurve Icons In-Reply-To: <1148493747.2575.13.camel@daxter.boston.redhat.com> References: <4472276A.6070100@redhat.com> <44723091.9090102@silverorange.com> <44723992.4000509@redhat.com> <1148492927.2575.6.camel@daxter.boston.redhat.com> <44749DF7.6040708@redhat.com> <1148493747.2575.13.camel@daxter.boston.redhat.com> Message-ID: <4474A246.7010700@redhat.com> David Zeuthen wrote: > On Wed, 2006-05-24 at 13:55 -0400, M?ir?n Duffy wrote: > >>David Zeuthen wrote: >> >>>Do you think it make sense to support more than one icon set in the >>>Fedora Core distribution? >> >>Has anybody proposed that? (I haven't. And I don't see anybody else doing so.) >> >>So, I'm confused...? > > > This was in response to when you said "this effort is pretty much > orthogonal to discussion of Fedora's default icon set". I'm just > questioning expending time and effort on Bluecurve if it's not going to > be the default? *IF* we decided to go with Tango as the default (which I'm pretty sure is not the case): I don't think it can hurt to document Bluecurve and add some more icons where people want/need them. It's a nice set of GPL artwork that would be useful for a lot of things besdies Fedora, and it is what we've got now. I believe this is time & effort well-spent I think for the benefit of the greater FOSS community and beyond. I do not believe Fedora should maintain multiple icon sets by default in the distribution. There should be a single default. However, I don't understand how that prevents people associated with the Fedora art project from working on alternative icon sets if they so desire (and it seems as if the interest is there.) As far as the icons I've created - I work on the RHN product team. RHN uses Bluecurve, and I still create new icons to fit the set where RHN needs them. So at least my efforts in creating Bluecurve icons aren't wasted in my eyes. >>>I guess this is similar to the question >>>"Should Fedora Core continue including KDE along GNOME?" in a way and I >>>know what many sane people would answer here. >> >>'Sane' to you is not sane to everybody... so I really am not sure what you're >>trying to say between the lines; I can see arguments for either side. > > > I'm just saying it doesn't make sense to put effort into trying to > support two competing things just so the user can have a preference. But > that's just my view of things. Sure, I share your view personally, but there are plenty of people that don't. ~m From nisses.mail at home.se Wed May 24 23:13:11 2006 From: nisses.mail at home.se (Andreas Nilsson) Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 01:13:11 +0200 Subject: A update to foxtrot Message-ID: <4474E887.2080401@home.se> Hey all! Apparently someone over at gnome-look.org improved the foxtrot-theme I started (and made it a fully working theme and all, not just some loose icons). Found it by accident today when just browsing around. http://sekkyumu.free.fr/Divers/foxtrot.tar.gz - Andreas From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Thu May 25 05:36:16 2006 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 08:36:16 +0300 Subject: Cataloguing & Converting Bluecurve Icons In-Reply-To: <1148493768.4310.593.camel@sundaram.pnq.redhat.com> References: <4472276A.6070100@redhat.com> <44723091.9090102@silverorange.com> <44723992.4000509@redhat.com> <1148492927.2575.6.camel@daxter.boston.redhat.com> <44749DF7.6040708@redhat.com> <1148493768.4310.593.camel@sundaram.pnq.redhat.com> Message-ID: <44754250.9040508@nicubunu.ro> Rahul Sundaram wrote: > On Wed, 2006-05-24 at 13:55 -0400, M?ir?n Duffy wrote: >> David Zeuthen wrote: >>> Do you think it make sense to support more than one icon set in the >>> Fedora Core distribution? >> Has anybody proposed that? (I haven't. And I don't see anybody else doing so.) >> >> So, I'm confused...? > > If we are going to switch to another icon set by default, it isnt quite > efficient to put in too much effort into documenting and updating > BlueCurve. So which icon set are we going to provide by default in > Fedora should be answered before we put too much effort into reviving > BlueCurve. Thats the point. From what i see, Bluecurve is not completely dead (but neither is in good shape), it is still the default theme in Fedora Core 5. But as it is not in good shape, it should be either improved or dropped, the status quo is not good enough. As for what is the default, me, an external potential contributor, ask this: who and when will make this decision? Preferably early enough in the development cycle... My personal bias is this: i do not like Tango and i do not like the current Bluecurve either (but i used to like Bluecurve when it was new) -- nicu Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From charavel.olivier at gmail.com Thu May 25 09:42:30 2006 From: charavel.olivier at gmail.com (Charavel Olivier) Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 11:42:30 +0200 Subject: A update to foxtrot In-Reply-To: <4474E887.2080401@home.se> References: <4474E887.2080401@home.se> Message-ID: <1148550150.2653.15.camel@localhost.localdomain> Hello, I'm Sekkyumu who uploaded the file. I just wanted to let you know that I'm not the updater of the icon set as some of you may believe. I just wanted to upload it in a place where I knew where I could find it and to share it with the others who wanted it. Please go and thanks David http://david.chalkskeletons.com/ who updates the icons set. I never wanted to put myself as the updates author. That's not fair at all. And I've just sent to Andreas a mail that I was really working on icons for Foxtrot and I will give him my works soon. :) I hope you understand and sorry for the trouble, it troubles me a lot to be in that situation as you may know. Thank you. Le jeudi 25 mai 2006 ? 01:13 +0200, Andreas Nilsson a ?crit : > Hey all! > Apparently someone over at gnome-look.org improved the foxtrot-theme I > started (and made it a fully working theme and all, not just some loose > icons). Found it by accident today when just browsing around. > http://sekkyumu.free.fr/Divers/foxtrot.tar.gz > - Andreas > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list From duffy at redhat.com Thu May 25 20:01:21 2006 From: duffy at redhat.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?M=E1ir=EDn_Duffy?=) Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 16:01:21 -0400 Subject: The Icon Question Message-ID: <44760D11.6080200@redhat.com> Hey everybody, Since we've gotten onto the topic of the default icon theme for Fedora - Well, above all, everyone here wants Fedora to have a slick, great-looking desktop, right? That's the main goal of the Fedora Art project. With Fedora Core 5 we've started to move in that direction with a new logo (thanks to Matt Mu?oz) and new theming elements (thanks to Diana) and have received positive feedback. However, we are still using Bluecurve as the default icon set, which has been around for a few years now. Among the complaints about Bluecurve is that it's a cartoony, and 'dated.' So it would be nice to have a fresh, slick look on the icon front for Fedora. Tango has been suggested as an alternative to Bluecurve, but nobody has really picked this up to make it happen. (Remember, Fedora is a community project, you vote with your time & effort.) As the front page of the Tango Project webpage states, it is "A *suggested* default native look [1, emphasis mine]." Diana, myself, and other Fedora users and developers that we've talked to feel the Tango look is a bit too close to Bluecurve to address the complaints we've heard about Bluecurve. It feels more like a next-gen Bluecurve than something new. We realize that the look of icons for an operating system can have far-reaching effects. An example I like to use to illustrate this point is the influence the look of Windows XP Icons [2] appear to have had in the somewhat recent UPS logo redesign [3]. One of the core goals of Fedora in general is innovation - looking towards the future [4]. Can we do that visually - can we make an innovative and cultural impact on the world with Fedora while using Tango? It doesn't seem likely. The main argument that we've been given as a reason for adopting Tango is (to roughly paraphrase) - 'it won't work unless everyone uses it.' The main goal of the Tango Project is: "to help create a consistent graphical user interface experience for free and Open Source software[1]," presumably to make FOSS more usable. I'd like to draw a parallel between this notion of 'all icons should be the same to be usable' to Jakob's Nielsen's idea of usability - his website, which may very well be the height of usability, but is far from pleasurable or delightful to look at. [5] There is definitely some conflict between visual consistency across desktop distributions and the branding of each said distribution, but both are important. Agreeing on a standard set of metaphors / objects to illustrate for icons for each item in the Tango naming spec, for example, would go a long way towards meeting Tango's quite noble goal without requiring Fedora to sacrifice its brand its own desktop. Looking towards the future of Fedora's visual design, Diana has put together a sample mockup (20 icons) of a possible 'next gen' Fedora icon theme. This is an experimental work-in-progress to explore future possibilities - a suggestion for a default Fedora icon look. We'd like to keep this an open discussion. Remember, the goal here is a great-looking desktop. Some of us (Diana and I) think we could do better than the Tango look. So here it is: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/BluecurveAndBeyond Specifically: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/BluecurveAndBeyond?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=screen01_28.png http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/BluecurveAndBeyond?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=screen02_29.png http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/BluecurveAndBeyond?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=screen03_30.png So, to be clear: * Are we definitely staying with Bluecurve as the default icon theme in Fedora? Yes, until there is a better alternative that helps us meet our goals. * Are we moving to Tango? Or something else? We are not moving to Tango right now. We'd like to move to something new in the future. * What icon set should Fedora Art contributors be working on if they want to create new icons? You can continue to work on Bluecurve icons, keeping in mind that we are looking to eventually retire it as the default theme. You can also help us out in coming up with a better alternative - we welcome any feedback / proposed revisions to Diana's mockup, or you come up with your own. ~m [1] http://www.tango-project.org/ [2] http://www.idblog.org/archives/000162.html [3] http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url=/library/en-us/dnwxp/html/winxpicons.asp [4] http://www.redhat.com/magazine/014dec05/features/fedora/ [5] http://www.useit.com/ -- M?ir?n Duffy Interaction Designer Red Hat Network :: Red Hat, Inc. Westford, MA From andyfitz at gmail.com Thu May 25 21:44:38 2006 From: andyfitz at gmail.com (Andy Fitzsimon) Date: Fri, 26 May 2006 07:44:38 +1000 Subject: Cataloguing & Converting Bluecurve Icons In-Reply-To: <4472276A.6070100@redhat.com> References: <4472276A.6070100@redhat.com> Message-ID: andy.fitzsimon.com.au/bluecurve.zip png references and svg versions of bluecurve ( not separated ) I wont be hosting it forever (that server is a flaky ISS machine) From duffy at redhat.com Thu May 25 21:48:48 2006 From: duffy at redhat.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?M=E1ir=EDn_Duffy?=) Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 17:48:48 -0400 Subject: Cataloguing & Converting Bluecurve Icons In-Reply-To: References: <4472276A.6070100@redhat.com> Message-ID: <44762640.9060609@redhat.com> Andy Fitzsimon wrote: > andy.fitzsimon.com.au/bluecurve.zip > > png references and svg versions of bluecurve ( not separated ) > I wont be hosting it forever (that server is a flaky ISS machine) http://people.redhat.com/duffy/icons/icon_pngs_svgs/bluecurve.zip This should be a bit more reliable. -- M?ir?n Duffy Interaction Designer Red Hat Network :: Red Hat, Inc. Westford, MA 978.392.3908 From nman64 at n-man.com Fri May 26 20:06:07 2006 From: nman64 at n-man.com (Patrick W. Barnes) Date: Fri, 26 May 2006 15:06:07 -0500 Subject: New logo guidelines and web design elements posted In-Reply-To: <7f617d270605250850m298eadc3qd2164d79c5d225c4@mail.gmail.com> References: <7f617d270605250850m298eadc3qd2164d79c5d225c4@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200605261506.11235.nman64@n-man.com> On Thursday 25 May 2006 10:50, "Alex Maier" wrote: > The new logo guidelines are out! > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Logo > > Please be sure not to violate any of the guidelines. > > When you are designing wiki pages, please reference these common > design elements instead fo uploading them each time, wasting disk > space. Here is a page for that: > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/WikiElements > > I have to be honest, I'm not impressed with the new header pieces. They don't fit in with the wiki's theme, they are completely irrelevant, and they waste a lot of space. On lower resolutions, a visitor might have to scroll most of a page to get to any useful content. We need artwork that is consistent, lightweight, and can be worked into the current themes. If we really want context-sensitive artwork, we should try to work out a way to include that artwork as part of the wiki header, where it could fill some of the already-wasted space instead of wasting even more. Another consideration is in our ability to produce matching pieces, such as when a new project is formed. Having to ask a particular person to create a new piece using his proprietary software is only going to cause problems in the future. I'm not saying that these pieces don't look nice, they just don't fit. Talking with other members of the Fedora Artwork team, I've found that I'm not alone in these opinions. I think that this artwork needs more review before it is implemented throughout the wiki. Also, before we go into too much effort for this, is there a reason we need artistic headers that are unique for each project? While some of the project pages lack style, many feature fancy tables and a banner formed from the new logo, and I think those work nicely. Matt did a great job on the new logo, and these new pieces look nice, but we should involve the community in reviewing this new artwork and should give the Artwork team a chance to do better before we start widely publishing this artwork with only a handful of reviews. It is haphazard to immediately publish such pieces without giving the Artwork and Website teams a chance to provide feedback. -- Patrick "The N-Man" Barnes nman64 at n-man.com http://www.n-man.com/ LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/nman64 Have I been helpful? Rate my assistance! http://rate.affero.net/nman64/ -- -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available URL: From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Sat May 27 07:52:16 2006 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Sat, 27 May 2006 13:22:16 +0530 Subject: New logo guidelines and web design elements posted In-Reply-To: <7f617d270605261415j6da290b1hfec0e171d25cb3d0@mail.gmail.com> References: <7f617d270605250850m298eadc3qd2164d79c5d225c4@mail.gmail.com> <200605261506.11235.nman64@n-man.com> <7f617d270605261415j6da290b1hfec0e171d25cb3d0@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1148716336.4310.706.camel@sundaram.pnq.redhat.com> On Fri, 2006-05-26 at 17:15 -0400, Alex Maier wrote: > Yes indeed the headers were not designed to perfectly fit in the wiki > as it is now, but with the wiki redesign and migration in mind, please > see the PSD layout delivered with further design improvements to make > the web pages look and feel closer to the Fedora GUI. Where is the PSD layout delivered? Rahul From charavel.olivier at gmail.com Sat May 27 12:45:37 2006 From: charavel.olivier at gmail.com (Charavel Olivier) Date: Sat, 27 May 2006 14:45:37 +0200 Subject: Some icons... In-Reply-To: <44760D11.6080200@redhat.com> References: <44760D11.6080200@redhat.com> Message-ID: <1148733940.5567.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> Hello, I had fun and made some icons... : http://gotrooted.net/~sk/?page_id=38 You can notice the fedora Logo :). If you want the SVG, just ask me :). Have a nice day, Charavel Olivier. From lxmaier at gmail.com Fri May 26 21:15:01 2006 From: lxmaier at gmail.com (Alex Maier) Date: Fri, 26 May 2006 17:15:01 -0400 Subject: New logo guidelines and web design elements posted In-Reply-To: <200605261506.11235.nman64@n-man.com> References: <7f617d270605250850m298eadc3qd2164d79c5d225c4@mail.gmail.com> <200605261506.11235.nman64@n-man.com> Message-ID: <7f617d270605261415j6da290b1hfec0e171d25cb3d0@mail.gmail.com> Yes indeed the headers were not designed to perfectly fit in the wiki as it is now, but with the wiki redesign and migration in mind, please see the PSD layout delivered with further design improvements to make the web pages look and feel closer to the Fedora GUI. The Wiki headers were designed to be used in the context of the above, but also go well with our current blue color scheme in the fedora theme. If the community likes them, let the community use them. I hope however that one day we will have a new theme which makes use of--if not all but at least some--design elements provided by Capstrat, the designers of the new logo. Cheers, a On 5/26/06, Patrick W. Barnes wrote: > On Thursday 25 May 2006 10:50, "Alex Maier" wrote: > > The new logo guidelines are out! > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Logo > > > > Please be sure not to violate any of the guidelines. > > > > When you are designing wiki pages, please reference these common > > design elements instead fo uploading them each time, wasting disk > > space. Here is a page for that: > > > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/WikiElements > > > > > > I have to be honest, I'm not impressed with the new header pieces. They don't > fit in with the wiki's theme, they are completely irrelevant, and they waste > a lot of space. On lower resolutions, a visitor might have to scroll most of > a page to get to any useful content. > > We need artwork that is consistent, lightweight, and can be worked into the > current themes. If we really want context-sensitive artwork, we should try > to work out a way to include that artwork as part of the wiki header, where > it could fill some of the already-wasted space instead of wasting even more. > Another consideration is in our ability to produce matching pieces, such as > when a new project is formed. Having to ask a particular person to create a > new piece using his proprietary software is only going to cause problems in > the future. > > I'm not saying that these pieces don't look nice, they just don't fit. > Talking with other members of the Fedora Artwork team, I've found that I'm > not alone in these opinions. I think that this artwork needs more review > before it is implemented throughout the wiki. Also, before we go into too > much effort for this, is there a reason we need artistic headers that are > unique for each project? While some of the project pages lack style, many > feature fancy tables and a banner formed from the new logo, and I think those > work nicely. > > Matt did a great job on the new logo, and these new pieces look nice, but we > should involve the community in reviewing this new artwork and should give > the Artwork team a chance to do better before we start widely publishing this > artwork with only a handful of reviews. It is haphazard to immediately > publish such pieces without giving the Artwork and Website teams a chance to > provide feedback. > > -- > Patrick "The N-Man" Barnes > nman64 at n-man.com > > http://www.n-man.com/ > > LinkedIn: > http://www.linkedin.com/in/nman64 > > Have I been helpful? Rate my assistance! > http://rate.affero.net/nman64/ > -- > > > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > > > -- Check out the new content on Fedora Project page! http://fedoraproject.org From duffy at redhat.com Sun May 28 06:27:26 2006 From: duffy at redhat.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?M=E1ir=EDn_Duffy?=) Date: Sun, 28 May 2006 02:27:26 -0400 Subject: New logo guidelines and web design elements posted In-Reply-To: <7fdaaf53a73bfc39bbacb087cfef7ab3@silveroaks.com> References: <20060527094640.24C03730D1@hormel.redhat.com> <7fdaaf53a73bfc39bbacb087cfef7ab3@silveroaks.com> Message-ID: <447942CE.6030009@redhat.com> Hi Charles, >> From: Hugo Cisneiros >> So I suggested (and I'm bringing this discussion here) to extend the Logo >> Guidelines to create Sub-Projects Logos, like for Fedora Extras, Fedora >> Documentation, Fedora (Brazil), Fedora (France), and so on. The current >> guidelines does not allow us to do this in a pretty way because of the >> "clear >> space" rule. What do you think? > chasd at silveroaks.com wrote: > No. > With identity management, there can be only One True Way. Variation is > confusing and dilutes the identity as one other poster already mentioned. Actually, this is *not* true with respect to what Hugo is suggesting. For example: http://www.rpi.edu/dept/NewsComm/graphics/downloads/pdfs/toolkit.pdf Look at pages 8 & 9 of the Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute brand book. A university is a large organization made up of many sub-organizations - schools, departments, research labs, etc. RPI's brand guidelines (as most universities' and large corporations') recognize that they must apply to many disparate sub-organizations that share the same 'brand' and have guidelines for incorparating the use of their logo for those sub-organizations. This concept of 'sub-logo' guidelines actually not that uncommon in brand design, and it would be nice if such sub-logo guidelines could be specified for Fedora's logo. I think Hugo's idea is a great one. These guidelines could be used for Fedora groups in specific locations, as Hugo cited, and also for Fedora projects, e.g. "Fedora Documentation Team," "Fedora Marketing Team," etc. Fwiw, I think Diana's banner for the wiki using the new logo is an excellent look for such a sub-logo [1]. I do understand that the 'sub-logo' logotype is the same as the 'fedora' logotype, which is proprietary and would make it costly for would-be contributors to design these logos for their sub-organizations. So perhaps the URW font (I don't remember the name offhand) could be used with the same treatment (maybe a bit lighter blue) that Diana used. [1] http://people.redhat.com/dfong/flogo/newHeaders.htm ~m From duffy at redhat.com Sun May 28 06:47:01 2006 From: duffy at redhat.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?M=E1ir=EDn_Duffy?=) Date: Sun, 28 May 2006 02:47:01 -0400 Subject: Some icons... In-Reply-To: <1148733940.5567.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <44760D11.6080200@redhat.com> <1148733940.5567.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <44794765.3010708@redhat.com> Hi Charavel! Charavel Olivier wrote: > I had fun and made some icons... : http://gotrooted.net/~sk/?page_id=38 > You can notice the fedora Logo :). Thanks for the artwork! These do look nice, but they are in the Tango style. As I've mentioned in an earlier email to this list [1], we'd like to try developing our own new visual style for Fedora rather than following Tango's visual guidelines (we like their icon naming specs though.) You may want to submit these icons to the Tango mailing list [2]. ~m [1] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-art-list/2006-May/msg00045.html [2] http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/tango-artists From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Tue May 30 10:27:27 2006 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Tue, 30 May 2006 13:27:27 +0300 Subject: Cataloguing & Converting Bluecurve Icons In-Reply-To: <44762640.9060609@redhat.com> References: <4472276A.6070100@redhat.com> <44762640.9060609@redhat.com> Message-ID: <447C1E0F.7090903@nicubunu.ro> M?ir?n Duffy wrote: > Andy Fitzsimon wrote: >> andy.fitzsimon.com.au/bluecurve.zip >> >> png references and svg versions of bluecurve ( not separated ) >> I wont be hosting it forever (that server is a flaky ISS machine) > > http://people.redhat.com/duffy/icons/icon_pngs_svgs/bluecurve.zip > > This should be a bit more reliable. Another link on a not quite reliable server: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/f_icons/bluecurve/16x16/apps/ I broke one of the icon sheets in individual SVG files. Only one icon was lost in the conversion process (icon-update-applet, because it was an embedded bitmap) and i had to manually correct a few gradients. Is not a very pleasant job (boring, repetitive, mechanical, no creativity at all) but is doable. And the resulting SVG still have a lot of crap inside, the filesize is not optimal. -- nicu Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From andyfitz at gmail.com Wed May 31 06:37:21 2006 From: andyfitz at gmail.com (Andy Fitzsimon) Date: Wed, 31 May 2006 16:37:21 +1000 Subject: Cataloguing & Converting Bluecurve Icons In-Reply-To: References: <4472276A.6070100@redhat.com> <44762640.9060609@redhat.com> <447C1E0F.7090903@nicubunu.ro> Message-ID: done some more / improved existing work. to keep track of it just visit http://andy.brisgeek.com/files/porting.png for a snapshot http://andy.brisgeek.com/files/bcsvg.tar.bz2 for the 48x48 only ( svg source ) have other size versions but the xml isnt as clean so will have to reprouce them later. From andyfitz at gmail.com Wed May 31 05:25:47 2006 From: andyfitz at gmail.com (Andy Fitzsimon) Date: Wed, 31 May 2006 15:25:47 +1000 Subject: Cataloguing & Converting Bluecurve Icons In-Reply-To: <447C1E0F.7090903@nicubunu.ro> References: <4472276A.6070100@redhat.com> <44762640.9060609@redhat.com> <447C1E0F.7090903@nicubunu.ro> Message-ID: I've taken the effort to carefully clean the xml of some of the svg files ( 48x48 versions especially ) attached are the initial results. I'll continue to do this for all documentation-like icons. Eventually I'll go back and create an outline class for each icon ( wont be useful until next rsvg release ) this means that symlinks of icons in say the 22x22 directory can get the pixel outline of the size directory they have been added to (optimally each size would have a svg file but this is a great quick fix ) Nicu, thanks for breaking it up !! :-) have you tried the 48x48 versions ? On 5/30/06, Nicu Buculei wrote: > M?ir?n Duffy wrote: > > Andy Fitzsimon wrote: > >> andy.fitzsimon.com.au/bluecurve.zip > >> > >> png references and svg versions of bluecurve ( not separated ) > >> I wont be hosting it forever (that server is a flaky ISS machine) > > > > http://people.redhat.com/duffy/icons/icon_pngs_svgs/bluecurve.zip > > > > This should be a bit more reliable. > > Another link on a not quite reliable server: > http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/f_icons/bluecurve/16x16/apps/ > > I broke one of the icon sheets in individual SVG files. Only one icon > was lost in the conversion process (icon-update-applet, because it was > an embedded bitmap) and i had to manually correct a few gradients. > > Is not a very pleasant job (boring, repetitive, mechanical, no > creativity at all) but is doable. And the resulting SVG still have a lot > of crap inside, the filesize is not optimal. > > -- > nicu > Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ > Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org > my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list > -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: bcsvg.tar.bz2 Type: application/x-bzip2 Size: 54902 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: porting.png Type: image/png Size: 37922 bytes Desc: not available URL: From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Wed May 31 13:46:52 2006 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Wed, 31 May 2006 16:46:52 +0300 Subject: Cataloguing & Converting Bluecurve Icons In-Reply-To: References: <4472276A.6070100@redhat.com> <44762640.9060609@redhat.com> <447C1E0F.7090903@nicubunu.ro> Message-ID: <447D9E4C.1050307@nicubunu.ro> Andy Fitzsimon wrote: > > Nicu, thanks for breaking it up !! :-) have you tried the 48x48 > versions ? I took the first file in the package alphabetically. Figured to late it was not a very bright idea and should have used a bigger size instead. -- nicu Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Wed May 31 15:02:02 2006 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Wed, 31 May 2006 18:02:02 +0300 Subject: Cataloguing & Converting Bluecurve Icons In-Reply-To: References: <4472276A.6070100@redhat.com> <44762640.9060609@redhat.com> <447C1E0F.7090903@nicubunu.ro> Message-ID: <447DAFEA.3010503@nicubunu.ro> Andy Fitzsimon wrote: > > Nicu, thanks for breaking it up !! :-) have you tried the 48x48 > versions ? I still have to match the file names, will do it tomorrow: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/f_icons/bluecurve/48x48/apps/ -- nicu Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro