From iamseawolf at gmail.com Wed Nov 1 09:02:33 2006 From: iamseawolf at gmail.com (seawolf) Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2006 09:02:33 +0000 Subject: Ideas Wallpaper flying fedora In-Reply-To: <1162316314.5484.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1162316314.5484.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <9c3bfa1d0611010102i4f176fc3y905a71ecc1ba1ed5@mail.gmail.com> I think theese ideas, especially the last, are a little over the top. I can't really see the professionalism that users may expect. Maybe using fewer graphics might help? On 31/10/06, Jovan Spasojevic wrote: > "Travel to the Future Look" > http://www.fedora-club.de/images/flyingfedora.png -- ..// seawolf //.. Ben Arnold e-mail / msn / icq / yahoo iamseawolf (at) gmail (dot) com http://clik.to/seawolfsanctuary fedora core : artwork GnuPG Available - ask me! From chitlesh at fedoraproject.org Wed Nov 1 09:36:17 2006 From: chitlesh at fedoraproject.org (Chitlesh GOORAH) Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2006 10:36:17 +0100 Subject: Ideas Wallpaper flying fedora In-Reply-To: <9c3bfa1d0611010102i4f176fc3y905a71ecc1ba1ed5@mail.gmail.com> References: <1162316314.5484.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> <9c3bfa1d0611010102i4f176fc3y905a71ecc1ba1ed5@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <13dbfe4f0611010136j1c80d3e8vbaa40bdb2ce3330a@mail.gmail.com> On 11/1/06, seawolf wrote: > I think theese ideas, especially the last, are a little over the top. > I can't really see the professionalism that users may expect. Maybe > using fewer graphics might help? use of blender for example -- http://clunixchit.blogspot.com From support at fedora-club.de Wed Nov 1 10:57:08 2006 From: support at fedora-club.de (Jovan Spasojevic) Date: Wed, 01 Nov 2006 11:57:08 +0100 Subject: Ideas Wallpaper flying fedora Message-ID: <1162378628.2604.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> hello, i am working on it but......using of blender is currently not possible in rawhide (i am using rawhide) and whatever cannot install because faild deps. -- regards, jovan http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/JovanSpasojevic http://www.fedora-club.de -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Ben Arnold e-mail / msn / icq / yahoo iamseawolf (at) gmail (dot) com http://clik.to/seawolfsanctuary fedora core : artwork GnuPG Available - ask me! From support at fedora-club.de Wed Nov 1 13:34:23 2006 From: support at fedora-club.de (Jovan Spasojevic) Date: Wed, 01 Nov 2006 14:34:23 +0100 Subject: Ideas Wallpaper flying fedora Message-ID: <1162388063.2624.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> Hi, hm.... "THE SWISS FLAG MAN IS BACK" i've made another one. http://www.fedora-club.de/images/travttfu.png ....so the ideas....go on -- regards, jovan http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/JovanSpasojevic http://www.fedora-club.de -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I would also like more subtle variations and reduced number of logo instances on the background with the center one prominently pushing out. Rahul From support at fedora-club.de Wed Nov 1 22:29:08 2006 From: support at fedora-club.de (Jovan Spasojevic) Date: Wed, 01 Nov 2006 23:29:08 +0100 Subject: Ideas Wallpaper flying fedora Message-ID: <1162420148.6796.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> Hi, yes now i understand...... "the swiss flag..." flowing away from the user"......hehehehehehe No its really not the final one i am working on it further and thanks for the comments they are very helpful. the swiss flag and the flowing away from user boy. -- regards, jovan http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/JovanSpasojevic http://www.fedora-club.de -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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BTW i like the "cube" idea ... this is why i've > linked it here. He recolored the logo against the usage guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Logo/UsageGuidelines Specifically, http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Logo/UsageGuidelines#head-066642236cac29a52cc90647cbb05ca0c19bec07 http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Logo/UsageGuidelines#head-8adb1d84f7400444cca6b1d88f10e6fedc63e6a5 I emailed him about it, offering help with the logo guidelines as well as an invitation to the art team. ~m From mola at c100c.com Mon Nov 6 22:29:26 2006 From: mola at c100c.com (mola pahnadayan) Date: Tue, 07 Nov 2006 01:59:26 +0330 Subject: Fedora logo guidelines problem Message-ID: <1162852166.5400.40.camel@localhost.localdomain> Hi all , problem come from guidelines to design and create art for fedora, if you want to create background for fedora and want to add some effect to logo in logo guidelines hasn't define any rule for doing this on fedora logo like : 1. can't move fedora logo in Z axis. only must use create image in 2D program , and can't not work in blender or other 3D program. 2. can't change fedora logo color in 2D ( Sample : can't not add light effect on fedora logo because the color of logo has been change ) 3. You can't show Fedora logo at natural stuff like metal, cloud, glass , ... ( like http://people.redhat.com/dfong/icFedora/060712/fSky1.jpg ) Idea : A. I think for solve this problem must add some rules to logo guidelines that if you use it too create background or some other things you must regard that your design logo show this is an alias of original fedora logo. B. Remove guidlines from fedora logo that any one can use any type of it . Goodluck Mola From duffy at redhat.com Mon Nov 6 22:53:47 2006 From: duffy at redhat.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?M=E1ir=EDn_Duffy?=) Date: Mon, 06 Nov 2006 17:53:47 -0500 Subject: Fedora logo guidelines problem In-Reply-To: <1162852166.5400.40.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1162852166.5400.40.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <454FBCFB.1010209@redhat.com> mola pahnadayan wrote: > problem come from guidelines to design and create art for fedora, if you > want to create background for fedora and want to add some effect to logo > in logo guidelines hasn't define any rule for doing this on fedora logo > like : There is a definite tension between creative treatments of the logo and misuses of the logo that potentially damage the Fedora brand. But I think the usage guidelines are at least a good sane start, although I agree they do not allow for more creative treatments. The policy for the latter really is to send the example artwork to logo at fedoraproject.org to get it approved. This is not something you can easily write guidelines for; creative treatments I feel really need to be evaluated on a case-by-case basis. You do understand why this is so important, right? We need the Fedora logo trademark to be defensible. If anybody is allowed to do whatever they want with it, then when someone really misuses the logo (tries to use it for another, unrelated project or manipulates it in a way degrading to the project) we'll have no grounds to defend ourselves if we'd allowed anyone to do whatever they wanted with the logo. You wouldn't want to see something like that happen, would you? > 1. can't move fedora logo in Z axis. only must use create image > in 2D program , and can't not work in blender or other 3D > program. This is fine as long as it's tasteful. I think it would be a rather unwise decision to grant carte blanche 'you can do whatever you want with the logo in 3d' without some context! There are a lot of ways one could manipulate the logo in 3D that would look great and a great many more that would look horrible. This is a dangerous precedent to open up. Something like this should be subject to approval on a case-by-case basis. > 2. can't change fedora logo color in 2D ( Sample : can't not add > light effect on fedora logo because the color of logo has been > change ) We can't give folks carte blanche to change the colors of the logo to whatever they feel like. Once you change the colors, it's not the same logo. This is a very basic requirement of pretty much every brand I've ever worked with. I strongly disagree with changing this guideline. > 3. You can't show Fedora logo at natural stuff like metal, > cloud, glass , ... ( like > http://people.redhat.com/dfong/icFedora/060712/fSky1.jpg ) I can think of many far less appealing manipulations of the Fedora logo using 'natural' textures. Don't make me whip out the Gimp to create an example - your eyes will bleed :) > Idea : > A. I think for solve this problem must add some rules to logo > guidelines that if you use it too create background or some > other things you must regard that your design logo show this is > an alias of original fedora logo. My suggestion would be to make it more clear within the guidelines that for more creative treatments of the logo, you must submit your work to logo at fedoraproject.org for approval before distributing it. I'm willing to add that if it would help. > B. Remove guidlines from fedora logo that any one can use any type > of it . This is not possible, unfortunately, for the reasons stated above. Sorry. ~m From baerjj at gmail.com Tue Nov 7 02:43:16 2006 From: baerjj at gmail.com (John Baer) Date: Mon, 06 Nov 2006 21:43:16 -0500 Subject: The Logo In-Reply-To: <20061106170006.18D8A73C4C@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20061106170006.18D8A73C4C@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1162867396.16863.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> All, Is there any chance the design of the logo can be re-opened for discussion and change. I admit the current design has many positive elements and of coarse market recognition but it does not render well. The following is just another example of how folks struggle to make it work. On Mon, 2006-11-06 at 12:00 -0500, fedora-art-list-request at redhat.com wrote: > > Nicola Losito wrote: > > talking about backgrounds/wallpapers have you seen this one ? > > > > http://www.gnome-look.org/content/show.php?content=46270 > > > This wallpaper does not use the Fedora logo correctly.... > > ~m IMHO it is too complex. John From duffy at redhat.com Tue Nov 7 03:10:10 2006 From: duffy at redhat.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?M=E1ir=EDn_Duffy?=) Date: Mon, 06 Nov 2006 22:10:10 -0500 Subject: The Logo In-Reply-To: <1162867396.16863.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <20061106170006.18D8A73C4C@hormel.redhat.com> <1162867396.16863.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <454FF912.1010104@redhat.com> John Baer wrote: > I admit the current design has many positive elements and of coarse > market recognition but it does not render well. ? > The following is just > another example of how folks struggle to make it work. ?! ~m From caleb at ninjatails.com Mon Nov 6 16:04:36 2006 From: caleb at ninjatails.com (Caleb Wellauer) Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2006 10:04:36 -0600 Subject: Refresh Icon Message-ID: <008801c701bd$45a582b0$6a01a8c0@NINJACOMP> I did the refresh icon, is this the place to post it? Caleb -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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If for some reason you can't/don't want to post directly to the wiki, I guess someone else can post it in your behalf. -- nicu Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From iamseawolf at gmail.com Tue Nov 7 10:26:53 2006 From: iamseawolf at gmail.com (seawolf) Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2006 10:26:53 +0000 Subject: Refresh Icon In-Reply-To: <008801c701bd$45a582b0$6a01a8c0@NINJACOMP> References: <008801c701bd$45a582b0$6a01a8c0@NINJACOMP> Message-ID: <9c3bfa1d0611070226t5a84be5dg1aabc80eadfe9e74@mail.gmail.com> Doesn't this have two light sources? I got told to have one top-right (IIRC) - ie lighting on the up-left--to--down-right slope of the top arrow. I think it would make it look more 3D-circular-like in the same way as if it were to rotate. On 06/11/06, Caleb Wellauer wrote: > I did the refresh icon ./Ben -- ..// seawolf //.. Ben Arnold e-mail / msn / icq / yahoo iamseawolf (at) gmail (dot) com http://clik.to/seawolfsanctuary fedora core : artwork GnuPG Available - ask me! From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Tue Nov 7 11:33:19 2006 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Tue, 07 Nov 2006 13:33:19 +0200 Subject: Refresh Icon In-Reply-To: <9c3bfa1d0611070226t5a84be5dg1aabc80eadfe9e74@mail.gmail.com> References: <008801c701bd$45a582b0$6a01a8c0@NINJACOMP> <9c3bfa1d0611070226t5a84be5dg1aabc80eadfe9e74@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <45506EFF.4010801@nicubunu.ro> seawolf wrote: > Doesn't this have two light sources? I got told to have one top-right > (IIRC) - ie lighting on the up-left--to--down-right slope of the top > arrow. I think it would make it look more 3D-circular-like in the same > way as if it were to rotate. Then be glad we have the source and are able to modify it. Attached is my take (along with a file size reduction from 472.5 KB to 11.1 KB) > On 06/11/06, Caleb Wellauer wrote: >> I did the refresh icon -- nicu Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: refresh.svg Type: image/svg+xml Size: 11383 bytes Desc: not available URL: From iamseawolf at gmail.com Tue Nov 7 11:42:36 2006 From: iamseawolf at gmail.com (seawolf) Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2006 11:42:36 +0000 Subject: Refresh Icon In-Reply-To: <45506EFF.4010801@nicubunu.ro> References: <008801c701bd$45a582b0$6a01a8c0@NINJACOMP> <9c3bfa1d0611070226t5a84be5dg1aabc80eadfe9e74@mail.gmail.com> <45506EFF.4010801@nicubunu.ro> Message-ID: <9c3bfa1d0611070342s2cf3f2b3ucc3e0e94ba3914b9@mail.gmail.com> On 07/11/06, Nicu Buculei wrote: > Then be glad we have the source and are able to modify it. Attached is > my take (along with a file size reduction from 472.5 KB to 11.1 KB) As I am at college, I shall use Inkscape at home, with which I feel more comfortable than Illustrator for graphics, to do a version. Thanks for the reuced filesize, too. -- ..// seawolf //.. Ben Arnold e-mail / msn / icq / yahoo iamseawolf (at) gmail (dot) com http://clik.to/seawolfsanctuary fedora core : artwork GnuPG Available - ask me! From iamseawolf at gmail.com Tue Nov 7 19:39:50 2006 From: iamseawolf at gmail.com (seawolf) Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2006 19:39:50 +0000 Subject: Refresh Icon In-Reply-To: <9c3bfa1d0611070342s2cf3f2b3ucc3e0e94ba3914b9@mail.gmail.com> References: <008801c701bd$45a582b0$6a01a8c0@NINJACOMP> <9c3bfa1d0611070226t5a84be5dg1aabc80eadfe9e74@mail.gmail.com> <45506EFF.4010801@nicubunu.ro> <9c3bfa1d0611070342s2cf3f2b3ucc3e0e94ba3914b9@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <9c3bfa1d0611071139i3b84cff2yf910745a569a38bb@mail.gmail.com> I thought the light on the bottom arrow wasn't quite right (it had two sources) so I adjusted that [attached 1]. In turn, I gave it a bit more of a 3D look as the shapes have depth themselves [attached 2]. On 07/11/06, seawolf wrote: > As I am at college, I shall use Inkscape at home, with which I feel > more comfortable than Illustrator for graphics, to do a version. > Thanks for the reduced file size, too. -- ..// seawolf //.. 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Name: refresh-with-longer-lighting.png Type: image/png Size: 10814 bytes Desc: not available URL: From dimitris at glezos.com Wed Nov 8 01:45:29 2006 From: dimitris at glezos.com (Dimitris Glezos) Date: Wed, 08 Nov 2006 01:45:29 +0000 Subject: Fedora logo guidelines problem In-Reply-To: <454FBCFB.1010209@redhat.com> References: <1162852166.5400.40.camel@localhost.localdomain> <454FBCFB.1010209@redhat.com> Message-ID: <455136B9.3010408@glezos.com> O/H M?ir?n Duffy ??????: > There is a definite tension between creative treatments of the logo and > misuses of the logo that potentially damage the Fedora brand. But I > think the usage guidelines are at least a good sane start, although I > agree they do not allow for more creative treatments. The policy for the > latter really is to send the example artwork to logo at fedoraproject.org > to get it approved. This is not something you can easily write > guidelines for; creative treatments I feel really need to be evaluated > on a case-by-case basis. M?ir?n, I remember us talking about this in the past and concluding that we should improve the guidelines to include a logo suitable for dark backgrounds. A good candidate could be the logo already located at `/usr/share/gdm/themes/Bluecurve/rh_logo-header.png`, which looks OK on dark but also on light backgrounds because of the drop shadow. I can't seem to remember receiving any replies about this issue from the people responsible for this matter and I tried to find their names/emails on the wiki (and the recipients of the `logo` email alias), but with no luck (we should really put them on the wiki). Max mentioned in his last mail that "everything in Fedora takes a long time", and we can fix this "just by continuing to push through barriers when they come up". So we have a barrier here that needs to be pushed. -d -- Dimitris Glezos Jabber ID: glezos at jabber.org, GPG: 0xA5A04C3B http://dimitris.glezos.com/ "He who gives up functionality for ease of use loses both and deserves neither." (Anonymous) -- From duffy at redhat.com Wed Nov 8 02:06:17 2006 From: duffy at redhat.com (=?UTF-8?B?TcOhaXLDrW4gRHVmZnk=?=) Date: Tue, 07 Nov 2006 21:06:17 -0500 Subject: Fedora logo guidelines problem In-Reply-To: <455136B9.3010408@glezos.com> References: <1162852166.5400.40.camel@localhost.localdomain> <454FBCFB.1010209@redhat.com> <455136B9.3010408@glezos.com> Message-ID: <45513B99.8060509@redhat.com> Hi Dimitris, Dimitris Glezos wrote: > O/H M?ir?n Duffy ??????: >> There is a definite tension between creative treatments of the logo and >> misuses of the logo that potentially damage the Fedora brand. But I >> think the usage guidelines are at least a good sane start, although I >> agree they do not allow for more creative treatments. The policy for the >> latter really is to send the example artwork to logo at fedoraproject.org >> to get it approved. This is not something you can easily write >> guidelines for; creative treatments I feel really need to be evaluated >> on a case-by-case basis. > > M?ir?n, I remember us talking about this in the past and concluding that we > should improve the guidelines to include a logo suitable for dark backgrounds. A > good candidate could be the logo already located at > `/usr/share/gdm/themes/Bluecurve/rh_logo-header.png`, which looks OK on dark but > also on light backgrounds because of the drop shadow. > > I can't seem to remember receiving any replies about this issue from the people > responsible for this matter and I tried to find their names/emails on the wiki > (and the recipients of the `logo` email alias), but with no luck (we should > really put them on the wiki). I brought up the issue to the marketing folks within Red Hat who are in charge of the Fedora logo guidelines. They agreed that our concerns about the guidelines are valid but didn't agree with all of our proposed solutions (eg the white outline). They said they would get back to me but didn't end up doing so - I take responsibility for not following up with them. I have messaged them again to see if they've thought any further on it and offered to mock up some proposals. > Max mentioned in his last mail that "everything in Fedora takes a long time", > and we can fix this "just by continuing to push through barriers when they come > up". So we have a barrier here that needs to be pushed. The quickest way to resolution on this is to make it as easy as possible for the blocking parties to push it through. This would involve *us* taking the existing guidelines, adding the proposed solutions that we need (version for a darker background, etc.), and show the work to the RH marketing folk to rubber stamp their approval on it. Makes their job easier and gets what we want done more quickly and everybody's happy (hopefully) :) ~m From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Wed Nov 8 06:52:45 2006 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Wed, 08 Nov 2006 08:52:45 +0200 Subject: Refresh Icon In-Reply-To: <9c3bfa1d0611071139i3b84cff2yf910745a569a38bb@mail.gmail.com> References: <008801c701bd$45a582b0$6a01a8c0@NINJACOMP> <9c3bfa1d0611070226t5a84be5dg1aabc80eadfe9e74@mail.gmail.com> <45506EFF.4010801@nicubunu.ro> <9c3bfa1d0611070342s2cf3f2b3ucc3e0e94ba3914b9@mail.gmail.com> <9c3bfa1d0611071139i3b84cff2yf910745a569a38bb@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <45517EBD.9050101@nicubunu.ro> seawolf wrote: > I thought the light on the bottom arrow wasn't quite right (it had two > sources) so I adjusted that [attached 1]. In turn, I gave it a bit > more of a 3D look as the shapes have depth themselves [attached 2]. Nice! Upload it to the wiki please -- nicu Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From duffy at redhat.com Thu Nov 9 05:25:58 2006 From: duffy at redhat.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?M=E1ir=EDn_Duffy?=) Date: Thu, 09 Nov 2006 00:25:58 -0500 Subject: Theme Proposal Reminder Message-ID: <4552BBE6.8070202@redhat.com> Hey folks, Just a friendly reminder the deadline for FC7 theme proposals is Dec 4. It's now Nov 9. So we've got less than a month to get some kickass proposals together. Everything you need to know on how to submit your proposal is here: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/FC7Themes We only have one theme proposal on the wiki with an actual page, so let's try to get some stuff together. Some ideas have been floating around on the list, so let's solidify them a bit more and write them up on the wiki! And if you don't have access to the wiki don't hesitate to ask for help. ~m From duffy at redhat.com Thu Nov 9 05:29:00 2006 From: duffy at redhat.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?M=E1ir=EDn_Duffy?=) Date: Thu, 09 Nov 2006 00:29:00 -0500 Subject: [FC7 theme proposal] Fedora Borealis Round 1 In-Reply-To: <45470D72.4080902@nicubunu.ro> References: <4546E230.30207@redhat.com> <45470D72.4080902@nicubunu.ro> Message-ID: <4552BC9C.9000600@redhat.com> Nicu Buculei wrote: > I am neutral-to positive about the wallpaper, I am all for simplicity. > And the concept can shine with some polish. Cool. Yeh these initials proposals for Dec 4 are all about the concept. We'll worry about rendering/polish later. > For the bootsplash I am not that sure, it is dark and the wallpaper is > light, I would prefer both to be the same, either dark or light. Can we > have the text on boot on a non-black background? So I mocked up another one with less black - http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fc7ThemeProposalFedoraBorealis?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=fc7themeproposal-fedoraborealis-bootsplash-mock2.png (the last image on http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fc7ThemeProposalFedoraBorealis) Now that I look at it my gradient is slightly crooked! Heh. But you get the idea. What do you think? > Where I have a strong opinion is the Metacity theme. I hate when the > window control buttons (minimize, maximize, close) look all the same and > you have to stay and think what is the function of a button based only > on its position. With icons on those buttons it would be OK. Yeh after actually trying to use that theme for a week - it really started driving me nuts. I haven't had time to look around for an alternative yet. ~m From duffy at redhat.com Thu Nov 9 05:29:54 2006 From: duffy at redhat.com (=?UTF-8?B?TcOhaXLDrW4gRHVmZnk=?=) Date: Thu, 09 Nov 2006 00:29:54 -0500 Subject: [FC7 theme proposal] Fedora Borealis Round 1 In-Reply-To: <15623.192.54.193.51.1162286845.squirrel@rousalka.dyndns.org> References: <4546E230.30207@redhat.com> <15623.192.54.193.51.1162286845.squirrel@rousalka.dyndns.org> Message-ID: <4552BCD2.4000509@redhat.com> Nicolas Mailhot wrote: > It'd be great this round if the proposed themes were put in a single > periodically updated FE package people could test and comment on. > > Screenshot and on-shot reviews are nice but actually run-testing the > latest version of the proposed themes is better. That's a cool idea but I think the overhead of creating an RPM (especially for artists) is a bit much. It's pretty easy at least to try out the example wallpapers right? ~m From duffy at redhat.com Thu Nov 9 05:34:41 2006 From: duffy at redhat.com (=?UTF-8?B?TcOhaXLDrW4gRHVmZnk=?=) Date: Thu, 09 Nov 2006 00:34:41 -0500 Subject: [FC7 theme proposal] Fedora Borealis Round 1 In-Reply-To: <1162290233.2801.31.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <4546E230.30207@redhat.com> <1162290233.2801.31.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <4552BDF1.9040706@redhat.com> Hi Thomas, Thanks for taking the time to give such detailed feedback! :) Thomas Canniot wrote: > * About the wallpaper > The impressions it conveys to me is that everything is going higher. All > the elements that compose our logo are going higher. As they all > represent freedom and community, it makes free software in general going > higher and as a consequence the use we can make of a computer is > improving thanks to foss. > Going higher is a positive direction (even if i don't believe in any > god) it seems god may be above us. Freedom could be linked as well as > something pure then. > I'm a bit sad with this "fedora" that seems stuck on earth. Maybe it > could try to reach some sky as well. Ahhh!! Very good point. I did another iteration with the Fedora floating as well... http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fc7ThemeProposalFedoraBorealis?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=fc7themeproposal-fedoraborealis-mock2.png (Try 2 on http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fc7ThemeProposalFedoraBorealis) It's definitely changed the look a bit - I added drop shadows. I'm not sure why. This still needs to be played with this more, it was just a quick modification. Another idea - maybe take the Fedora logo out entirely and go much simpler than the original proposal. Or just keep the logo flat, and make it much smaller, and tuck in the lower right corner or some such. > * About Metacity Theme and GTK+ Theme > I feel very strange about flatness. It seems that windows are only one > piece of everything, whereas there are different elements that compose a > nautilus windows (title bar, menu bar etc.) > About the top right hand corner buttons, the fact they do not convey > the actions they are aimed at will be very annoying for people who are > not used to a computer. I agree with this too. The metacity theme was a poor choice. I'll keep looking and if anyone else has suggestions by all means propose them! :) > * Bootsplash Concept > It seems to be the ufo of this theme. Even if it is pure, as there are > nothing but Fedora on it, it is the same Fedora stuck to earth that all > his friends that were going higher in the wallpaper abandoned there. > Pureness must then not rhyme with emptiness. I feel that pureness is > well conveyed with no "bug" on a painting, no shortcomings (perfect > light - no shadow - bright and sharp colours for example) Great points. Makes me look at it now, and think, "Hi, my name is Fedora. Is anybody out there? out there there there there. Oh an echo! I'm all aloooonnnneee!" ;) > Cheers, hope this helps. It does! Thanks! btw if anyone would like to grab the SVGs and play around with these based on the feedback thus far, BY ALL MEANS! :) ~m From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Thu Nov 9 05:43:28 2006 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Thu, 09 Nov 2006 11:13:28 +0530 Subject: Theme Proposal Reminder In-Reply-To: <4552BBE6.8070202@redhat.com> References: <4552BBE6.8070202@redhat.com> Message-ID: <4552C000.8090701@fedoraproject.org> M?ir?n Duffy wrote: > Hey folks, > > Just a friendly reminder the deadline for FC7 theme proposals is Dec 4. > It's now Nov 9. So we've got less than a month to get some kickass > proposals together. Everything you need to know on how to submit your > proposal is here: > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/FC7Themes > > We only have one theme proposal on the wiki with an actual page, so > let's try to get some stuff together. Some ideas have been floating > around on the list, so let's solidify them a bit more and write them up > on the wiki! > > And if you don't have access to the wiki don't hesitate to ask for help. > Would ideas for concepts be useful? Sand dunes and winds with logo embedded in the sand in a subtle fashion would be interesting to see mockups of. Rahul From duffy at redhat.com Thu Nov 9 05:51:39 2006 From: duffy at redhat.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?M=E1ir=EDn_Duffy?=) Date: Thu, 09 Nov 2006 00:51:39 -0500 Subject: Theme Proposal Reminder In-Reply-To: <4552C000.8090701@fedoraproject.org> References: <4552BBE6.8070202@redhat.com> <4552C000.8090701@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <4552C1EB.2010909@redhat.com> Rahul Sundaram wrote: > Would ideas for concepts be useful? Sand dunes and winds with logo > embedded in the sand in a subtle fashion would be interesting to see > mockups of. Yeh, round 1 is all about concepts but - each concept still needs sketches or some kind of start, and needs to be added to the FC7Themes wiki page. ~m From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Thu Nov 9 06:23:27 2006 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Thu, 09 Nov 2006 08:23:27 +0200 Subject: Theme Proposal Reminder In-Reply-To: <4552C1EB.2010909@redhat.com> References: <4552BBE6.8070202@redhat.com> <4552C000.8090701@fedoraproject.org> <4552C1EB.2010909@redhat.com> Message-ID: <4552C95F.5060400@nicubunu.ro> M?ir?n Duffy wrote: > Rahul Sundaram wrote: >> Would ideas for concepts be useful? Sand dunes and winds with logo >> embedded in the sand in a subtle fashion would be interesting to see >> mockups of. > > Yeh, round 1 is all about concepts but - each concept still needs > sketches or some kind of start, and needs to be added to the FC7Themes > wiki page. Where sketch can be even a simple drawing with pen on paper -- nicu Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Thu Nov 9 06:25:09 2006 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Thu, 09 Nov 2006 08:25:09 +0200 Subject: [FC7 theme proposal] Fedora Borealis Round 1 In-Reply-To: <4552BC9C.9000600@redhat.com> References: <4546E230.30207@redhat.com> <45470D72.4080902@nicubunu.ro> <4552BC9C.9000600@redhat.com> Message-ID: <4552C9C5.4090009@nicubunu.ro> M?ir?n Duffy wrote: > > So I mocked up another one with less black - > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fc7ThemeProposalFedoraBorealis?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=fc7themeproposal-fedoraborealis-bootsplash-mock2.png > > > Now that I look at it my gradient is slightly crooked! Heh. But you get > the idea. What do you think? I like it better. And do not worry about gradients, we have plenty of time to play with dithering options. -- nicu Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Thu Nov 9 06:35:42 2006 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Thu, 09 Nov 2006 08:35:42 +0200 Subject: [FC7 theme proposal] Fedora Borealis Round 1 In-Reply-To: <4552BDF1.9040706@redhat.com> References: <4546E230.30207@redhat.com> <1162290233.2801.31.camel@localhost.localdomain> <4552BDF1.9040706@redhat.com> Message-ID: <4552CC3E.6000503@nicubunu.ro> M?ir?n Duffy wrote: > > Ahhh!! Very good point. I did another iteration with the Fedora floating > as well... > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fc7ThemeProposalFedoraBorealis?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=fc7themeproposal-fedoraborealis-mock2.png > > (Try 2 on http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fc7ThemeProposalFedoraBorealis) > > It's definitely changed the look a bit - I added drop shadows. I'm not > sure why. This still needs to be played with this more, it was just a > quick modification. I think I know why you added shadows: they increase the 3D look and ease the transition from the current full 3D theme to a flatten one. And I also know what is wrong with the shadows: light is coming from top, objects have a vertical shape and the shadow is projected in a horizontal plane. But I got the idea and like it. > Another idea - maybe take the Fedora logo out entirely and go much > simpler than the original proposal. Or just keep the logo flat, and make > it much smaller, and tuck in the lower right corner or some such. Yup, the Fedora logo can go, we have enough symbols: f, infinity and bubble. > Great points. Makes me look at it now, and think, "Hi, my name is > Fedora. Is anybody out there? out there there there there. Oh an echo! > I'm all aloooonnnneee!" ;) Now if you said the word "echo" in this context... we will introduce the Echo theme for icons, I wonder about having and the wallpaper also about an echo but I don't know yet how. Maybe with a single graphic element and a lot of reflexions? -- nicu Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From onuorah_ifeoma at yahoo.com Thu Nov 9 06:21:54 2006 From: onuorah_ifeoma at yahoo.com (Ifeoma Onuorah) Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2006 22:21:54 -0800 (PST) Subject: Theme Proposal Reminder In-Reply-To: <4552C000.8090701@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <20061109062154.83468.qmail@web35704.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I have submitted a few ideas. The sandune sounds interesting. Maybe Ill draw prelim sketches of it. But as for making pages for the wiki im like a newbie when it comes to all that stuff :(. But I guess I can tinker around with it... to make it look more official. --- Rahul Sundaram wrote: > M?ir?n Duffy wrote: > > Hey folks, > > > > Just a friendly reminder the deadline for FC7 > theme proposals is Dec 4. > > It's now Nov 9. So we've got less than a month to > get some kickass > > proposals together. Everything you need to know on > how to submit your > > proposal is here: > > > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/FC7Themes > > > > We only have one theme proposal on the wiki with > an actual page, so > > let's try to get some stuff together. Some ideas > have been floating > > around on the list, so let's solidify them a bit > more and write them up > > on the wiki! > > > > And if you don't have access to the wiki don't > hesitate to ask for help. > > > > Would ideas for concepts be useful? Sand dunes and > winds with logo > embedded in the sand in a subtle fashion would be > interesting to see > mockups of. > > Rahul > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Sponsored Link Get an Online or Campus degree Associate's, Bachelor's, or Master's - in less than one year. http://www.findtherightschool.com From luya_tfz at thefinalzone.com Thu Nov 9 09:28:31 2006 From: luya_tfz at thefinalzone.com (Luya Tshimbalanga) Date: Thu, 09 Nov 2006 01:28:31 -0800 Subject: Theme Proposal Reminder In-Reply-To: <4552BBE6.8070202@redhat.com> References: <4552BBE6.8070202@redhat.com> Message-ID: <4552F4BF.3000502@thefinalzone.com> M?ir?n Duffy wrote: > Hey folks, > > Just a friendly reminder the deadline for FC7 theme proposals is Dec > 4. It's now Nov 9. So we've got less than a month to get some kickass > proposals together. Everything you need to know on how to submit your > proposal is here: I have been busy preparing a presentation of Fedora Core 6 for Vanlug. I recently started to work on Window border theme derived from Clearlook which will resemble to concept Vancouver alternate: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/LuyaTshimbalanga/ConceptWidget It is my first attempt to create a metacity theme. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: luya_tfz.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 315 bytes Desc: not available URL: From iamseawolf at gmail.com Fri Nov 10 17:04:28 2006 From: iamseawolf at gmail.com (seawolf) Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2006 17:04:28 +0000 Subject: Refresh Icon In-Reply-To: <45517EBD.9050101@nicubunu.ro> References: <008801c701bd$45a582b0$6a01a8c0@NINJACOMP> <9c3bfa1d0611070226t5a84be5dg1aabc80eadfe9e74@mail.gmail.com> <45506EFF.4010801@nicubunu.ro> <9c3bfa1d0611070342s2cf3f2b3ucc3e0e94ba3914b9@mail.gmail.com> <9c3bfa1d0611071139i3b84cff2yf910745a569a38bb@mail.gmail.com> <45517EBD.9050101@nicubunu.ro> Message-ID: <9c3bfa1d0611100904q42af6f90xd2d2c1fe409f217@mail.gmail.com> They're all up on the wiki; large (48px) with SVG and smalls (24 & 16) with SVG. If I've put up the wrong sizes, let me know and I'll change them. Judging from the others it seems to be right. On 08/11/06, Nicu Buculei wrote: > Nice! Upload it to the wiki please -- ..// seawolf //.. Ben Arnold e-mail / msn / icq / yahoo iamseawolf (at) gmail (dot) com http://clik.to/seawolfsanctuary fedora core : artwork GnuPG Available - ask me! From dfong at redhat.com Fri Nov 10 17:20:02 2006 From: dfong at redhat.com (Diana Fong) Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2006 12:20:02 -0500 Subject: Refresh Icon In-Reply-To: <9c3bfa1d0611100904q42af6f90xd2d2c1fe409f217@mail.gmail.com> References: <008801c701bd$45a582b0$6a01a8c0@NINJACOMP> <9c3bfa1d0611070226t5a84be5dg1aabc80eadfe9e74@mail.gmail.com> <45506EFF.4010801@nicubunu.ro> <9c3bfa1d0611070342s2cf3f2b3ucc3e0e94ba3914b9@mail.gmail.com> <9c3bfa1d0611071139i3b84cff2yf910745a569a38bb@mail.gmail.com> <45517EBD.9050101@nicubunu.ro> <9c3bfa1d0611100904q42af6f90xd2d2c1fe409f217@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4554B4C2.9070809@redhat.com> The sizes look correct. Thanks. Diana seawolf wrote: > They're all up on the wiki; large (48px) with SVG and smalls (24 & 16) > with SVG. > > If I've put up the wrong sizes, let me know and I'll change them. > Judging from the others it seems to be right. > > On 08/11/06, Nicu Buculei wrote: >> Nice! Upload it to the wiki please > From nicolas.mailhot at laposte.net Sat Nov 11 17:55:31 2006 From: nicolas.mailhot at laposte.net (Nicolas Mailhot) Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2006 18:55:31 +0100 Subject: New Fedora GTK Theme In-Reply-To: <20061111171720.7f6c7e87@hydra.cimi.homelinux.net> References: <20061111171720.7f6c7e87@hydra.cimi.homelinux.net> Message-ID: <1163267732.7856.13.camel@rousalka.dyndns.org> Hi Andrea, you've posted on the right list, but most themers seem to insist on using fedora-art-list instead, so I'm pushing it there Le samedi 11 novembre 2006 ? 17:17 +0100, Andrea Cimitan a ?crit : > Hi community, > I'm Andrea Cimitan (aka Cimi), a gnome themer from Italy. :) > Probably you had known my name in gnomelook.org, there I'm Cimi86, and > I've created a lot of themes like Murrine GTK2 Cairo Engine > (http://www.gnome-look.org/content/show.php?content=42755, > http://cimi.netsons.org/pages/murrine.php) and Candido Themes. > > I was thinking about a new proposal for Fedora Core GTK look. > Do you know that Ubuntu has "Ubuntulooks" as default theme engine, so I > thought "Why Fedora couldn't have Murrine?". > Feedbacks on gnomelook.org and polls on Ubuntu Forums hilight that > Murrine is the favourite Engine of Linux Desktop users. > That's why I'm proposing to you. > > Murrine is a new-conception GTK2 Cairo engine, it was a fork of > Clearlooks code with a lot of improvements and bugfixes: its best > feature is surely the "options" through which the users can easily > change the look of all the themes (There's a GUI here: > http://cimi.netsons.org/pages/murrine/configurator.php). > The engine is completely without bugs (it features support from gnome > devs like benzea that helped me in the bugfix process) and it is is > incredibly fast, nearly 50% faster than Clearlooks-Cairo and more > if you compare it to Ubuntulooks. > > I think fedora could _at least_ add murrine to a repository, and then I > can provide a fantastic color scheme for the fedora desktop. > > This is my proposale, I'm absolutely available to support you and to > start a good discussion on it. > I'm sure you will take care of these ideas so we can start a > constructive thread to support or against it. > > See you!! > > Cimi - Andrea Cimitan > > -- Nicolas Mailhot From cimi86 at alice.it Sat Nov 11 18:20:16 2006 From: cimi86 at alice.it (Andrea Cimitan) Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2006 19:20:16 +0100 Subject: New Fedora GTK Theme Message-ID: <20061111192016.3898b8ec@hydra.cimi.homelinux.net> Hi community, I'm Andrea Cimitan (aka Cimi), a gnome themer from Italy. :) Probably you had known my name in gnomelook.org, there I'm Cimi86, and I've created a lot of themes like Murrine GTK2 Cairo Engine (http://www.gnome-look.org/content/show.php?content=42755, http://cimi.netsons.org/pages/murrine.php) and Candido Themes. I was thinking about a new proposal for Fedora Core GTK look. Do you know that Ubuntu has "Ubuntulooks" as default theme engine, so I thought "Why Fedora couldn't have Murrine?". Feedbacks on gnomelook.org and polls on Ubuntu Forums hilight that Murrine is the favourite Engine of Linux Desktop users. That's why I'm proposing to you. Murrine is a new-conception GTK2 Cairo engine, it was a fork of Clearlooks code with a lot of improvements and bugfixes: its best feature is surely the "options" through which the users can easily change the look of all the themes (There's a GUI here: http://cimi.netsons.org/pages/murrine/configurator.php). The engine is completely without bugs (it features support from gnome devs like benzea that helped me in the bugfix process) and it is is incredibly fast, nearly 50% faster than Clearlooks-Cairo and more if you compare it to Ubuntulooks. I think fedora could _at least_ add murrine to a repository, and then I can provide a fantastic color scheme for the fedora desktop. This is my proposale, I'm absolutely available to support you and to start a good discussion on it. I'm sure you will take care of these ideas so we can start a constructive thread to support or against it. See you!! Cimi - Andrea Cimitan From sdl.web at gmail.com Sat Nov 11 18:26:46 2006 From: sdl.web at gmail.com (Leo) Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2006 18:26:46 +0000 Subject: New Fedora GTK Theme References: <20061111171720.7f6c7e87@hydra.cimi.homelinux.net> <1163267732.7856.13.camel@rousalka.dyndns.org> Message-ID: Cimi, On Sat, 11/11/06, Nicolas Mailhot wrote: > Hi Andrea, you've posted on the right list, but most themers seem to > insist on using fedora-art-list instead, so I'm pushing it there > > Le samedi 11 novembre 2006 ? 17:17 +0100, Andrea Cimitan a ?crit : >> Hi community, >> I'm Andrea Cimitan (aka Cimi), a gnome themer from Italy. :) >> Probably you had known my name in gnomelook.org, there I'm Cimi86, and >> I've created a lot of themes like Murrine GTK2 Cairo Engine >> (http://www.gnome-look.org/content/show.php?content=42755, >> http://cimi.netsons.org/pages/murrine.php) and Candido Themes. >> >> I was thinking about a new proposal for Fedora Core GTK look. >> Do you know that Ubuntu has "Ubuntulooks" as default theme engine, so I >> thought "Why Fedora couldn't have Murrine?". >> Feedbacks on gnomelook.org and polls on Ubuntu Forums hilight that >> Murrine is the favourite Engine of Linux Desktop users. >> That's why I'm proposing to you. >> >> Murrine is a new-conception GTK2 Cairo engine, it was a fork of >> Clearlooks code with a lot of improvements and bugfixes: its best >> feature is surely the "options" through which the users can easily >> change the look of all the themes (There's a GUI here: >> http://cimi.netsons.org/pages/murrine/configurator.php). >> The engine is completely without bugs (it features support from gnome >> devs like benzea that helped me in the bugfix process) and it is is >> incredibly fast, nearly 50% faster than Clearlooks-Cairo and more >> if you compare it to Ubuntulooks. >> >> I think fedora could _at least_ add murrine to a repository, and then I >> can provide a fantastic color scheme for the fedora desktop. >> >> This is my proposale, I'm absolutely available to support you and to >> start a good discussion on it. >> I'm sure you will take care of these ideas so we can start a >> constructive thread to support or against it. >> >> See you!! >> >> Cimi - Andrea Cimitan >> >> > -- > Nicolas Mailhot I have actually suggested to use Murrine Engine? quite a while ago. However seems some people are confused with engine and theme. And to be honest I haven't find a good document to clear this confusion. With your support, I think Murrine Engine will be an excellent substitute for the clearlooks engine. I'm all for this change. But if FC7 is to use Murrine Engine, the package has to be in Core. I hope the art team make a decision asap. BTW, here is the .spec file -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: murrine.spec Type: application/octet-stream Size: 805 bytes Desc: murrine.spec URL: -------------- next part -------------- Footnotes: ? http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.linux.redhat.fedora.artwork/364 -- Leo From cimi86 at alice.it Sat Nov 11 18:08:53 2006 From: cimi86 at alice.it (Andrea Cimitan) Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2006 19:08:53 +0100 Subject: New Fedora GTK Theme Message-ID: <20061111190853.2b14ca63@hydra.cimi.homelinux.net> Hi community, I'm Andrea Cimitan (aka Cimi), a gnome themer from Italy. :) Probably you had known my name in gnomelook.org, there I'm Cimi86, and I've created a lot of themes like Murrine GTK2 Cairo Engine (http://www.gnome-look.org/content/show.php?content=42755, http://cimi.netsons.org/pages/murrine.php) and Candido Themes. I was thinking about a new proposal for Fedora Core GTK look. Do you know that Ubuntu has "Ubuntulooks" as default theme engine, so I thought "Why Fedora couldn't have Murrine?". Feedbacks on gnomelook.org and polls on Ubuntu Forums hilight that Murrine is the favourite Engine of Linux Desktop users. That's why I'm proposing to you. Murrine is a new-conception GTK2 Cairo engine, it was a fork of Clearlooks code with a lot of improvements and bugfixes: its best feature is surely the "options" through which the users can easily change the look of all the themes (There's a GUI here: http://cimi.netsons.org/pages/murrine/configurator.php). The engine is completely without bugs (it features support from gnome devs like benzea that helped me in the bugfix process) and it is is incredibly fast, nearly 50% faster than Clearlooks-Cairo and more if you compare it to Ubuntulooks. I think fedora could _at least_ add murrine to a repository, and then I can provide a fantastic color scheme for the fedora desktop. This is my proposale, I'm absolutely available to support you and to start a good discussion on it. I'm sure you will take care of these ideas so we can start a constructive thread to support or against it. See you!! Cimi - Andrea Cimitan From duffy at redhat.com Sat Nov 11 23:02:01 2006 From: duffy at redhat.com (=?UTF-8?B?TcOhaXLDrW4gRHVmZnk=?=) Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2006 18:02:01 -0500 Subject: New Fedora GTK Theme In-Reply-To: References: <20061111171720.7f6c7e87@hydra.cimi.homelinux.net> <1163267732.7856.13.camel@rousalka.dyndns.org> Message-ID: <45565669.1090503@redhat.com> >> Hi Andrea, you've posted on the right list, but most themers seem to >> insist on using fedora-art-list instead, so I'm pushing it there No, fedora-art-list *is* the appropriate list. fedora-desktop-list is more aimed towards development discussions (although in practice its less focused.) >> Le samedi 11 novembre 2006 ? 17:17 +0100, Andrea Cimitan a ?crit : >>> Hi community, >>> I'm Andrea Cimitan (aka Cimi), a gnome themer from Italy. :) >>> Probably you had known my name in gnomelook.org, there I'm Cimi86, and >>> I've created a lot of themes like Murrine GTK2 Cairo Engine >>> (http://www.gnome-look.org/content/show.php?content=42755, >>> http://cimi.netsons.org/pages/murrine.php) and Candido Themes. Cimi, thank you for starting this discussion. I don't think that this is a matter of the 'art team making a decision" though. This is a matter of there being absolutely no process. There isn't any defined process to get artwork & themes into the distribution right now. This is a very old problem so let's just trailblaze through it. It seems quite reasonable to at least include this theme engine in the distro via Extras if not in Core, as long as someone is willing to maintain the package. Would either you or Leo be willing to maintain it? If so, you may want to ask someone like Jesse Keating or Rahul about the process of getting it into the distribution. > I have actually suggested to use Murrine Engine? quite a while > ago. However seems some people are confused with engine and theme. And > to be honest I haven't find a good document to clear this confusion. (The reason this did not happen for FC6, Leo, is because you proposed it far too late in the release process and there just wasn't enough time. Your proposal was 17-Oct and the actual release of FC6 was 24-Oct - changing the theme is something ideally we would want in by a test 2 release, not a week before final release o_O. There is plenty of time for FC7, though!!) Where the art team comes in I believe is picking out a default theme for Murrine. Can you suggest some nice ones, Leo or Cimi? We haven't decided on a theme/style for FC7 yet but once we do I think that'd be the appropriate time to specify the colors for the theme. Does anyone oppose moving to the Murrine engine? Thanks, ~m From duffy at redhat.com Sat Nov 11 23:16:13 2006 From: duffy at redhat.com (=?UTF-8?B?TcOhaXLDrW4gRHVmZnk=?=) Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2006 18:16:13 -0500 Subject: New Fedora GTK Theme In-Reply-To: References: <20061111171720.7f6c7e87@hydra.cimi.homelinux.net> <1163267732.7856.13.camel@rousalka.dyndns.org> Message-ID: <455659BD.8090201@redhat.com> Leo wrote: > With your support, I think Murrine Engine will be an excellent > substitute for the clearlooks engine. I'm all for this change. BTW I downloaded the Fedora RPM off of Cimi's site... it just installs the engine, not a default gtkrc... It would probably be a good idea to include a default one so less technical folks trying to check it out don't get confused. ~m From sdl.web at gmail.com Sat Nov 11 23:49:38 2006 From: sdl.web at gmail.com (Leo) Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2006 23:49:38 +0000 Subject: New Fedora GTK Theme References: <20061111171720.7f6c7e87@hydra.cimi.homelinux.net> <1163267732.7856.13.camel@rousalka.dyndns.org> <455659BD.8090201@redhat.com> Message-ID: On Sat, 11/11/06, M?ir?n Duffy wrote: > Leo wrote: >> With your support, I think Murrine Engine will be an excellent >> substitute for the clearlooks engine. I'm all for this change. > > BTW I downloaded the Fedora RPM off of Cimi's site... it just installs > the engine, not a default gtkrc... It would probably be a good idea to > include a default one so less technical folks trying to check it out > don't get confused. > > ~m The engine will make sure themes based on it will render well. Try searching 'murrin' in gnome-look you will get tons of them. -- Leo From duffy at redhat.com Sun Nov 12 00:09:53 2006 From: duffy at redhat.com (=?UTF-8?B?TcOhaXLDrW4gRHVmZnk=?=) Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2006 19:09:53 -0500 Subject: New Fedora GTK Theme In-Reply-To: References: <20061111171720.7f6c7e87@hydra.cimi.homelinux.net> <1163267732.7856.13.camel@rousalka.dyndns.org> <455659BD.8090201@redhat.com> Message-ID: <45566651.7090308@redhat.com> Leo wrote: > The engine will make sure themes based on it will render well. Try > searching 'murrin' in gnome-look you will get tons of them. I realize that. My point is that most theme engines include an actual theme with them. Murrine at least is the first I have encountered that does not. It makes installing it and trying to use it pretty confusing. ~m From cimi86 at alice.it Sun Nov 12 01:15:49 2006 From: cimi86 at alice.it (Andrea Cimitan) Date: Sun, 12 Nov 2006 02:15:49 +0100 Subject: New Fedora GTK Theme In-Reply-To: <45566651.7090308@redhat.com> References: <20061111171720.7f6c7e87@hydra.cimi.homelinux.net> <1163267732.7856.13.camel@rousalka.dyndns.org> <455659BD.8090201@redhat.com> <45566651.7090308@redhat.com> Message-ID: <20061112021549.3963bc38@hydra.cimi.homelinux.net> Il giorno Sat, 11 Nov 2006 19:09:53 -0500 M?ir?n Duffy ha scritto: > Leo wrote: > > The engine will make sure themes based on it will render well. Try > > searching 'murrin' in gnome-look you will get tons of them. > > I realize that. My point is that most theme engines include an actual > theme with them. Murrine at least is the first I have encountered > that does not. It makes installing it and trying to use it pretty > confusing. > > ~m > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list There are 2 problems: 1) I don't want/no ideas for a default murrine look. 2) The biggest feature of murrine is the "configurator", with it you can easily customize your themes, add roundness, select styles etc etc... With "local" themes (under ~/.themes) no root permissions are required, but if I install themes under /usr/share/themes than the configurator needs "root permissions" to run and this will cause problems for the user (and it will cause two entry in the gnome menu which is bad) Bye Cimi - Andrea Cimitan From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Sun Nov 12 08:07:49 2006 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Sun, 12 Nov 2006 13:37:49 +0530 Subject: New Fedora GTK Theme In-Reply-To: <45565669.1090503@redhat.com> References: <20061111171720.7f6c7e87@hydra.cimi.homelinux.net> <1163267732.7856.13.camel@rousalka.dyndns.org> <45565669.1090503@redhat.com> Message-ID: <4556D655.30305@fedoraproject.org> M?ir?n Duffy wrote: >>>> I'm Andrea Cimitan (aka Cimi), a gnome themer from Italy. :) >>>> Probably you had known my name in gnomelook.org, there I'm Cimi86, and >>>> I've created a lot of themes like Murrine GTK2 Cairo Engine >>>> (http://www.gnome-look.org/content/show.php?content=42755, >>>> http://cimi.netsons.org/pages/murrine.php) and Candido Themes. > > Cimi, thank you for starting this discussion. Yep. Always nice to have upstream developers collaborate with us. Thanks. > > I don't think that this is a matter of the 'art team making a decision" > though. This is a matter of there being absolutely no process. There > isn't any defined process to get artwork & themes into the distribution > right now. This is a very old problem so let's just trailblaze through it. Its not quite a problem really. Ping the http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Core/SteeringCommittee when the artwork team agrees on something. This will probably go through the desktop team for their input too primarily at the code level. It helps to actually have this packaged already in Fedora Extras before proposing it for Fedora Core. > > It seems quite reasonable to at least include this theme engine in the > distro via Extras if not in Core, as long as someone is willing to > maintain the package. Would either you or Leo be willing to maintain it? > If so, you may want to ask someone like Jesse Keating or Rahul about the > process of getting it into the distribution. A fedora-list discussion suggest that there are people interested in doing this. Since we have a general policy on staying close to upstream, it would be nice if upstream people are involved in the packaging efforts too. It helps in user <-> developer interactions. If you are not interested in packaging this, you can set bugzilla preferences to be automatically CC'ed on all bugs for that particular component. This is what upstream Gaim developers do for example. > Where the art team comes in I believe is picking out a default theme for > Murrine. Can you suggest some nice ones, Leo or Cimi? We haven't decided > on a theme/style for FC7 yet but once we do I think that'd be the > appropriate time to specify the colors for the theme. > > Does anyone oppose moving to the Murrine engine? Well, one question. How can we intelligently comment on a engine without looking at the code? If the themes are completely customizable which apparently is the case here, how do we understand the value of a particular engine over another by merely looking at screenshots? Rahul From nicolas.mailhot at laposte.net Sun Nov 12 10:41:04 2006 From: nicolas.mailhot at laposte.net (Nicolas Mailhot) Date: Sun, 12 Nov 2006 11:41:04 +0100 Subject: New Fedora GTK Theme In-Reply-To: <45565669.1090503@redhat.com> References: <20061111171720.7f6c7e87@hydra.cimi.homelinux.net> <1163267732.7856.13.camel@rousalka.dyndns.org> <45565669.1090503@redhat.com> Message-ID: <1163328070.6043.32.camel@rousalka.dyndns.org> Le samedi 11 novembre 2006 ? 18:02 -0500, M?ir?n Duffy a ?crit : > >> Hi Andrea, you've posted on the right list, but most themers seem to > >> insist on using fedora-art-list instead, so I'm pushing it there > > No, fedora-art-list *is* the appropriate list. fedora-desktop-list is > more aimed towards development discussions (although in practice its > less focused.) I still think it's not ;) as theming involves usability and other concerns, not just pretty colours (that's why I don't like evaluating on screenshots only BTW) Regards, -- Nicolas Mailhot From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Sun Nov 12 11:08:44 2006 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Sun, 12 Nov 2006 16:38:44 +0530 Subject: New Fedora GTK Theme In-Reply-To: <1163328070.6043.32.camel@rousalka.dyndns.org> References: <20061111171720.7f6c7e87@hydra.cimi.homelinux.net> <1163267732.7856.13.camel@rousalka.dyndns.org> <45565669.1090503@redhat.com> <1163328070.6043.32.camel@rousalka.dyndns.org> Message-ID: <455700BC.8010905@fedoraproject.org> Nicolas Mailhot wrote: > Le samedi 11 novembre 2006 ? 18:02 -0500, M?ir?n Duffy a ?crit : >>>> Hi Andrea, you've posted on the right list, but most themers seem to >>>> insist on using fedora-art-list instead, so I'm pushing it there >> No, fedora-art-list *is* the appropriate list. fedora-desktop-list is >> more aimed towards development discussions (although in practice its >> less focused.) > > I still think it's not ;) as theming involves usability and other > concerns, not just pretty colours (that's why I don't like evaluating on > screenshots only BTW) The Fedora artwork team in concerned about usability too. So calling the work merely pretty colors is waving off the interaction designers who are involved here. Rahul From nicolas.mailhot at laposte.net Sun Nov 12 11:29:15 2006 From: nicolas.mailhot at laposte.net (Nicolas Mailhot) Date: Sun, 12 Nov 2006 12:29:15 +0100 Subject: New Fedora GTK Theme In-Reply-To: <455700BC.8010905@fedoraproject.org> References: <20061111171720.7f6c7e87@hydra.cimi.homelinux.net> <1163267732.7856.13.camel@rousalka.dyndns.org> <45565669.1090503@redhat.com> <1163328070.6043.32.camel@rousalka.dyndns.org> <455700BC.8010905@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <1163330962.6043.36.camel@rousalka.dyndns.org> Le dimanche 12 novembre 2006 ? 16:38 +0530, Rahul Sundaram a ?crit : > The Fedora artwork team in concerned about usability too. So calling the > work merely pretty colors is waving off the interaction designers who > are involved here. I'm not waving of the artwork team work, I wouldn't be on this list if I didn't think they were great people, but I do think they tend to work a bit in isolation. It's not as if the desktop list is crowded enough something as central as a new default theme could not be discussed there. -- Nicolas Mailhot From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Sun Nov 12 11:34:21 2006 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Sun, 12 Nov 2006 17:04:21 +0530 Subject: New Fedora GTK Theme In-Reply-To: <1163330962.6043.36.camel@rousalka.dyndns.org> References: <20061111171720.7f6c7e87@hydra.cimi.homelinux.net> <1163267732.7856.13.camel@rousalka.dyndns.org> <45565669.1090503@redhat.com> <1163328070.6043.32.camel@rousalka.dyndns.org> <455700BC.8010905@fedoraproject.org> <1163330962.6043.36.camel@rousalka.dyndns.org> Message-ID: <455706BD.5030206@fedoraproject.org> Nicolas Mailhot wrote: > Le dimanche 12 novembre 2006 ? 16:38 +0530, Rahul Sundaram a ?crit : > >> The Fedora artwork team in concerned about usability too. So calling the >> work merely pretty colors is waving off the interaction designers who >> are involved here. > > I'm not waving of the artwork team work, I wouldn't be on this list if I > didn't think they were great people, but I do think they tend to work a > bit in isolation. It's not as if the desktop list is crowded enough > something as central as a new default theme could not be discussed > there. We might as well as have all the artwork and desktop developments in fedora-devel list itself. The lists have specific purpose. If one of the lists dont have much traffic, thats fine. Desktop team should have been discussing their plans more openly anyway. Rahul From sdl.web at gmail.com Sun Nov 12 11:58:01 2006 From: sdl.web at gmail.com (Leo) Date: Sun, 12 Nov 2006 11:58:01 +0000 Subject: New Fedora GTK Theme References: <20061111171720.7f6c7e87@hydra.cimi.homelinux.net> <1163267732.7856.13.camel@rousalka.dyndns.org> <455659BD.8090201@redhat.com> <45566651.7090308@redhat.com> Message-ID: On Sun, 12/11/06, M?ir?n Duffy wrote: > Leo wrote: >> The engine will make sure themes based on it will render well. Try >> searching 'murrin' in gnome-look you will get tons of them. > > I realize that. My point is that most theme engines include an actual > theme with them. Murrine at least is the first I have encountered that > does not. It makes installing it and trying to use it pretty > confusing. > > ~m I have repackaged the RPMs for both FC5 and FC6 with three most popular themes from gnome-look and have submitted theme to Cimi. -- Leo From cimi86 at alice.it Sun Nov 12 12:14:02 2006 From: cimi86 at alice.it (Andrea Cimitan) Date: Sun, 12 Nov 2006 13:14:02 +0100 Subject: New Fedora GTK Theme In-Reply-To: References: <20061111171720.7f6c7e87@hydra.cimi.homelinux.net> <1163267732.7856.13.camel@rousalka.dyndns.org> <455659BD.8090201@redhat.com> <45566651.7090308@redhat.com> Message-ID: <20061112131402.5146af62@hydra.cimi.homelinux.net> Il giorno Sun, 12 Nov 2006 11:58:01 +0000 Leo ha scritto: > On Sun, 12/11/06, M?ir?n Duffy wrote: > > > Leo wrote: > >> The engine will make sure themes based on it will render well. Try > >> searching 'murrin' in gnome-look you will get tons of them. > > > > I realize that. My point is that most theme engines include an > > actual theme with them. Murrine at least is the first I have > > encountered that does not. It makes installing it and trying to use > > it pretty confusing. > > > > ~m > > I have repackaged the RPMs for both FC5 and FC6 with three most > popular themes from gnome-look and have submitted theme to Cimi. > 3 things: 1) Murrine 0.31 is just out :D 2) If you have a webspace I can just make a link from my website to yours, since it is simpler to mantain the packages until someone add murrine to the repository 3) I can't package murrine for fedora since at the moment I have no fedora installations here :( -- Cimi - Andrea Cimitan http://cimi.netsons.org From sdl.web at gmail.com Sun Nov 12 14:21:41 2006 From: sdl.web at gmail.com (Leo) Date: Sun, 12 Nov 2006 14:21:41 +0000 Subject: New Fedora GTK Theme References: <20061111171720.7f6c7e87@hydra.cimi.homelinux.net> <1163267732.7856.13.camel@rousalka.dyndns.org> <455659BD.8090201@redhat.com> <45566651.7090308@redhat.com> <20061112131402.5146af62@hydra.cimi.homelinux.net> Message-ID: On Sun, 12/11/06, Andrea Cimitan wrote: > Il giorno Sun, 12 Nov 2006 11:58:01 +0000 > Leo ha scritto: > >> On Sun, 12/11/06, M?ir?n Duffy wrote: >> >> > Leo wrote: >> >> The engine will make sure themes based on it will render well. Try >> >> searching 'murrin' in gnome-look you will get tons of them. >> > >> > I realize that. My point is that most theme engines include an >> > actual theme with them. Murrine at least is the first I have >> > encountered that does not. It makes installing it and trying to use >> > it pretty confusing. >> > >> > ~m >> >> I have repackaged the RPMs for both FC5 and FC6 with three most >> popular themes from gnome-look and have submitted theme to Cimi. >> > 3 things: > 1) Murrine 0.31 is just out :D Great! > 2) If you have a webspace I can just make a link from my website to > yours, since it is simpler to mantain the packages until someone add > murrine to the repository > 3) I can't package murrine for fedora since at the moment I have no > fedora installations here :( http://www.srcf.ucam.org/~sl392/fedora/ Thanks, -- Leo From duffy at redhat.com Sun Nov 12 17:08:11 2006 From: duffy at redhat.com (=?ISO-8859-15?Q?M=E1ir=EDn_Duffy?=) Date: Sun, 12 Nov 2006 12:08:11 -0500 Subject: New Fedora GTK Theme In-Reply-To: <20061112131402.5146af62@hydra.cimi.homelinux.net> References: <20061111171720.7f6c7e87@hydra.cimi.homelinux.net> <1163267732.7856.13.camel@rousalka.dyndns.org> <455659BD.8090201@redhat.com> <45566651.7090308@redhat.com> <20061112131402.5146af62@hydra.cimi.homelinux.net> Message-ID: <455754FB.5030200@redhat.com> Andrea Cimitan wrote: > 3 things: > 1) Murrine 0.31 is just out :D Awesome! > 2) If you have a webspace I can just make a link from my website to > yours, since it is simpler to mantain the packages until someone add > murrine to the repository I can host the packages on my people.redhat.com page if you need space. Just send them to me and I'll put them up and send you the link. > 3) I can't package murrine for fedora since at the moment I have no > fedora installations here :( Perfectly reasonable - is anyone else willing to do so? Leo? Also, Cimi, although you can't package it, would you want to be CC'ed on all Fedora-reported bugs with Murrine if we were to add it? ~m From duffy at redhat.com Sun Nov 12 17:08:52 2006 From: duffy at redhat.com (=?UTF-8?B?TcOhaXLDrW4gRHVmZnk=?=) Date: Sun, 12 Nov 2006 12:08:52 -0500 Subject: New Fedora GTK Theme In-Reply-To: References: <20061111171720.7f6c7e87@hydra.cimi.homelinux.net> <1163267732.7856.13.camel@rousalka.dyndns.org> <455659BD.8090201@redhat.com> <45566651.7090308@redhat.com> Message-ID: <45575524.1040800@redhat.com> Leo wrote: >> My point is that most theme engines include an actual >> theme with them. Murrine at least is the first I have encountered that >> does not. It makes installing it and trying to use it pretty >> confusing. > I have repackaged the RPMs for both FC5 and FC6 with three most > popular themes from gnome-look and have submitted theme to Cimi. Woohoo! Kickin' as always, Leo! ~m From duffy at redhat.com Sun Nov 12 17:10:25 2006 From: duffy at redhat.com (=?UTF-8?B?TcOhaXLDrW4gRHVmZnk=?=) Date: Sun, 12 Nov 2006 12:10:25 -0500 Subject: New Fedora GTK Theme In-Reply-To: <4556D655.30305@fedoraproject.org> References: <20061111171720.7f6c7e87@hydra.cimi.homelinux.net> <1163267732.7856.13.camel@rousalka.dyndns.org> <45565669.1090503@redhat.com> <4556D655.30305@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <45575581.9080306@redhat.com> Rahul Sundaram wrote: >> I don't think that this is a matter of the 'art team making a >> decision" though. This is a matter of there being absolutely no >> process. There isn't any defined process to get artwork & themes into >> the distribution right now. This is a very old problem so let's just >> trailblaze through it. > > Its not quite a problem really. (Well, actually it is but I won't elaborate any more. 0:) ) > A fedora-list discussion suggest that there are people interested in > doing this. Since we have a general policy on staying close to upstream, > it would be nice if upstream people are involved in the packaging > efforts too. It helps in user <-> developer interactions. If you are not > interested in packaging this, you can set bugzilla preferences to be > automatically CC'ed on all bugs for that particular component. This is > what upstream Gaim developers do for example. What do you think about this idea, Cimi? I know you can't package Murrine but Would you be willing to be CC'ed on Fedora Murrine bugs? >> Does anyone oppose moving to the Murrine engine? > > Well, one question. How can we intelligently comment on a engine without > looking at the code? If the themes are completely customizable which > apparently is the case here, how do we understand the value of a > particular engine over another by merely looking at screenshots? By using it and getting a sense for its look & feel (definitely different than Clearlooks), snappiness/speed, and customizability/available themes is what I was thinking. The code isn't everything, right? ...A means to an end for our purposes here. If nobody opposes it on those fronts then it would be well worth a code review; I can probablay talk to Ray about that if nobody here opposes the theme on the other points. Thanks for the helpful info, as always, Rahul! ~m From sdl.web at gmail.com Sun Nov 12 17:33:30 2006 From: sdl.web at gmail.com (Leo) Date: Sun, 12 Nov 2006 17:33:30 +0000 Subject: New Fedora GTK Theme References: <20061111171720.7f6c7e87@hydra.cimi.homelinux.net> <1163267732.7856.13.camel@rousalka.dyndns.org> <455659BD.8090201@redhat.com> <45566651.7090308@redhat.com> <20061112131402.5146af62@hydra.cimi.homelinux.net> <455754FB.5030200@redhat.com> Message-ID: On Sun, 12/11/06, M?ir?n Duffy wrote: >> 2) If you have a webspace I can just make a link from my website to >> yours, since it is simpler to mantain the packages until someone add >> murrine to the repository > > I can host the packages on my people.redhat.com page if you need > space. Just send them to me and I'll put them up and send you the > link. I have submitted the package to extras for review. It should soon get into it. -- Leo From cimi86 at alice.it Sun Nov 12 17:44:57 2006 From: cimi86 at alice.it (Andrea Cimitan) Date: Sun, 12 Nov 2006 18:44:57 +0100 Subject: New Fedora GTK Theme In-Reply-To: <45575581.9080306@redhat.com> References: <20061111171720.7f6c7e87@hydra.cimi.homelinux.net> <1163267732.7856.13.camel@rousalka.dyndns.org> <45565669.1090503@redhat.com> <4556D655.30305@fedoraproject.org> <45575581.9080306@redhat.com> Message-ID: <20061112184457.53896b32@hydra.cimi.homelinux.net> Il giorno Sun, 12 Nov 2006 12:10:25 -0500 M?ir?n Duffy ha scritto: > Rahul Sundaram wrote: > >> I don't think that this is a matter of the 'art team making a > >> decision" though. This is a matter of there being absolutely no > >> process. There isn't any defined process to get artwork & themes > >> into the distribution right now. This is a very old problem so > >> let's just trailblaze through it. > > > > Its not quite a problem really. > > (Well, actually it is but I won't elaborate any more. 0:) ) > > > A fedora-list discussion suggest that there are people interested > > in doing this. Since we have a general policy on staying close to > > upstream, it would be nice if upstream people are involved in the > > packaging efforts too. It helps in user <-> developer interactions. > > If you are not interested in packaging this, you can set bugzilla > > preferences to be automatically CC'ed on all bugs for that > > particular component. This is what upstream Gaim developers do for > > example. > > What do you think about this idea, Cimi? I know you can't package > Murrine but Would you be willing to be CC'ed on Fedora Murrine bugs? > Yes, but just for bugs about "Murrine" and not about the "packaging problems" > >> Does anyone oppose moving to the Murrine engine? > > > > Well, one question. How can we intelligently comment on a engine > > without looking at the code? If the themes are completely > > customizable which apparently is the case here, how do we > > understand the value of a particular engine over another by merely > > looking at screenshots? > Try the engine and make few benchmarks, enjoy the speed, also try to found bugs! No one :D. I can guarantee this. There's a simple difference between clearlooks and murrine: murrine is currently supported and developed, clearlooks is dead one year ago (except few updates/bugfixes) as you can see in gnomecvs. This is due to the creator of Clearlooks, Remenic, who is no longer updating clearlooks (he has no more time to it) http://www.stellingwerff.com All bugs found on clearlooks are currently ported to murrine (as gnome devs tell me on #gnome-art) > By using it and getting a sense for its look & feel (definitely > different than Clearlooks), snappiness/speed, and > customizability/available themes is what I was thinking. The code > isn't everything, right? ...A means to an end for our purposes here. > If nobody opposes it on those fronts then it would be well worth a > code review; I can probablay talk to Ray about that if nobody here > opposes the theme on the other points. > > Thanks for the helpful info, as always, Rahul! > > ~m The code is absolutely ok... thrust me... -- Cimi - Andrea Cimitan http://cimi.netsons.org From baerjj at gmail.com Mon Nov 13 00:26:28 2006 From: baerjj at gmail.com (John Baer) Date: Sun, 12 Nov 2006 19:26:28 -0500 Subject: New Fedora GTK Theme (John Baer) In-Reply-To: <20061111235003.532FE7328A@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20061111235003.532FE7328A@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1163377588.4813.3.camel@baerj-desktop> Andrea, On Sat, 2006-11-11 at 18:50 -0500, fedora-art-list-request at redhat.com wrote: > This is my proposale, I'm absolutely available to support you and to > start a good discussion on it. > I'm sure you will take care of these ideas so we can start a > constructive thread to support or against it. Great idea and thank you for offering. I did a GTK theme for Ubuntu and was thinking the same for Fedora would be nice. John From baerjj at gmail.com Mon Nov 13 02:01:29 2006 From: baerjj at gmail.com (John Baer) Date: Sun, 12 Nov 2006 21:01:29 -0500 Subject: [FC7 theme proposal] Flying High with Fedora 7 - Round 1 (John Baer) In-Reply-To: <20061111170004.340427322B@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20061111170004.340427322B@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1163383289.9432.9.camel@baerj-desktop> All, The concept here is the open source value of excellence. I believe Fedora Core 7 will set the bar. IMO the balloons are a nice transition from the bubbles of 5 and the water effect of 6. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fc7ThemeProposalFlyingHigh Cheers, John From chitlesh at fedoraproject.org Mon Nov 13 09:21:27 2006 From: chitlesh at fedoraproject.org (Chitlesh GOORAH) Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2006 10:21:27 +0100 Subject: Logo in .svg ???? Message-ID: <13dbfe4f0611130121x7f1cea2fu3b5e1f71e41a82e3@mail.gmail.com> hello there, I'm looking for fedora logo in .svg format for my handouts. These handouts will be used for the install parties, I'm organising with the Lug of Strasbourg, FRANCE. I just need a transparent background since we have already bought yellow pages for printing. in accordance to our graphic designer, the white backgroung as you can see http://strasbourg.linuxfr.org/install-party/mensuelles/affiches will make the fedora logo blurred while printing. looking forward for an ultra fast reply. chitlesh -- http://clunixchit.blogspot.com From iamseawolf at gmail.com Mon Nov 13 09:30:59 2006 From: iamseawolf at gmail.com (seawolf) Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2006 09:30:59 +0000 Subject: Logo in .svg ???? In-Reply-To: <13dbfe4f0611130121x7f1cea2fu3b5e1f71e41a82e3@mail.gmail.com> References: <13dbfe4f0611130121x7f1cea2fu3b5e1f71e41a82e3@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <9c3bfa1d0611130130g5025ed46y41b733789edab730@mail.gmail.com> As tis said on http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Logo : " Scalable vector versions of the logo can be obtained by sending a request to: * logo at fedoraproject.org The following versions are available: * Fedora Logo Full - The full text + "infinity" logo * Fedora Logo Infinity - The "infinity" logo, no text * Fedora Logotype - The logo text without the "infinity" logo " so the people there will be able to help you out. There's the guidelines for things like leaving enough space there, too. The guidelines are there to help maintain a high standard for the brand. On 13/11/06, Chitlesh GOORAH wrote: > hello there, > > I'm looking for fedora logo in .svg format for my handouts. > These handouts will be used for the install parties, I'm organising > with the Lug of Strasbourg, FRANCE. > > I just need a transparent background since we have already bought > yellow pages for printing. > > in accordance to our graphic designer, the white backgroung as you can see > http://strasbourg.linuxfr.org/install-party/mensuelles/affiches > will make the fedora logo blurred while printing. > > looking forward for an ultra fast reply. > > chitlesh > -- > http://clunixchit.blogspot.com > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list > -- ..// seawolf //.. Ben Arnold e-mail / msn / icq / yahoo iamseawolf (at) gmail (dot) com http://clik.to/seawolfsanctuary fedora core : artwork GnuPG Available - ask me! From iamseawolf at gmail.com Mon Nov 13 09:37:41 2006 From: iamseawolf at gmail.com (seawolf) Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2006 09:37:41 +0000 Subject: [FC7 theme proposal] Flying High with Fedora 7 - Round 1 (John Baer) In-Reply-To: <1163383289.9432.9.camel@baerj-desktop> References: <20061111170004.340427322B@hormel.redhat.com> <1163383289.9432.9.camel@baerj-desktop> Message-ID: <9c3bfa1d0611130137t5d975541sdf9edadcd112815f@mail.gmail.com> That's a very refreshing take for a theme. I love the colours in the Anaconda sidebar but I think that wallpaper could have a little more of the blue in it to fit with the Fedora colours. Also, the type at the bottom-right could be standard blue. As before, I'll knock one up tonight and post it. It would make a nice alternative colour set in a second wallpaper, though, especially in widescreens. The Anaconda imagery style could perhaps be continued to a third, darker one. (I'm a big fan of vibrant colours!) A boot screen in this style would use the balloon from the PR rather than the photo, wouldn't it? I'd imagine it wouldn't look as good in 16 colours! Lovely, thanks. On 13/11/06, John Baer wrote: > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fc7ThemeProposalFlyingHigh -- ..// seawolf //.. Ben Arnold e-mail / msn / icq / yahoo iamseawolf (at) gmail (dot) com http://clik.to/seawolfsanctuary fedora core : artwork GnuPG Available - ask me! From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Mon Nov 13 09:50:06 2006 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2006 11:50:06 +0200 Subject: [FC7 theme proposal] Flying High with Fedora 7 - Round 1 (John Baer) In-Reply-To: <9c3bfa1d0611130137t5d975541sdf9edadcd112815f@mail.gmail.com> References: <20061111170004.340427322B@hormel.redhat.com> <1163383289.9432.9.camel@baerj-desktop> <9c3bfa1d0611130137t5d975541sdf9edadcd112815f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <45583FCE.6010602@nicubunu.ro> seawolf wrote: > > I love the colours in the Anaconda sidebar but I think that wallpaper > could have a little more of the blue in it to fit with the Fedora > colours. Also, the type at the bottom-right could be standard blue. As > before, I'll knock one up tonight and post it. It would make a nice > alternative colour set in a second wallpaper, though, especially in > widescreens. Note that the wallpaper should not have the release number, so no "7" on it -- nicu Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From dfong at redhat.com Mon Nov 13 16:46:44 2006 From: dfong at redhat.com (Diana Fong) Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2006 11:46:44 -0500 Subject: [FC7 theme proposal] Flying High with Fedora 7 - Round 1 (John Baer) In-Reply-To: <9c3bfa1d0611130137t5d975541sdf9edadcd112815f@mail.gmail.com> References: <20061111170004.340427322B@hormel.redhat.com> <1163383289.9432.9.camel@baerj-desktop> <9c3bfa1d0611130137t5d975541sdf9edadcd112815f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4558A174.9020203@redhat.com> > On 13/11/06, John Baer wrote: >> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fc7ThemeProposalFlyingHigh You've got a lot of good ideas in this proposal. I like the light, lively feel of the idea...it even prompts the feeling of an adventurous journey. The rendering of the blue hot-air balloons in the wallpaper mockup amidst the clouds are also charming. In contrast to the wallpaper mockup, I also really like the vibrant colours in the Anaconda sidebar. I know you've commented that the final version would be an svg drawing instead...so, two questions... 1) would the .svg drawing be as appealing? 2) is this photo free to use...because it would be really interesting to further pursue the idea in that direction as well. Overall, good job! While there are several different looks represented in this proposal...they are all excellent visual directions (to further develop as independent looks or try to merge to one cohesive theme) that could work very well as the next theme for Fedora Core. Diana --- Red Hat Visual Designer | Desktop Group From duffy at redhat.com Mon Nov 13 16:57:31 2006 From: duffy at redhat.com (=?UTF-8?B?TcOhaXLDrW4gRHVmZnk=?=) Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2006 11:57:31 -0500 Subject: Free Art Culture Message-ID: <4558A3FB.2090609@redhat.com> Hi, Thilo sent this article to the GNOME marketing list and I thought some of you might be interested in it. ~m -- M?ir?n Duffy Interaction Designer Red Hat Engineering -------------- next part -------------- An embedded message was scrubbed... From: "Thilo Pfennig" Subject: pointer for our artists Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2006 13:46:14 +0100 Size: 3576 URL: From chitlesh at fedoraproject.org Mon Nov 13 17:50:21 2006 From: chitlesh at fedoraproject.org (Chitlesh GOORAH) Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2006 18:50:21 +0100 Subject: Logo in .svg ???? In-Reply-To: <9c3bfa1d0611130130g5025ed46y41b733789edab730@mail.gmail.com> References: <13dbfe4f0611130121x7f1cea2fu3b5e1f71e41a82e3@mail.gmail.com> <9c3bfa1d0611130130g5025ed46y41b733789edab730@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <13dbfe4f0611130950q224f172eoaa1abff03e5cddd7@mail.gmail.com> On 11/13/06, seawolf wrote: > As tis said on http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Logo : > > " > Scalable vector versions of the logo can be obtained by sending a request to: > * logo at fedoraproject.org > > The following versions are available: > * Fedora Logo Full - The full text + "infinity" logo > * Fedora Logo Infinity - The "infinity" logo, no text > * Fedora Logotype - The logo text without the "infinity" logo My logo request was approved long time ago, but at that time .png format was distributed. Thanks , ThomasCanniot sent me a copy. chitlesh -- http://clunixchit.blogspot.com From duffy at redhat.com Mon Nov 13 17:52:48 2006 From: duffy at redhat.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?M=E1ir=EDn_Duffy?=) Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2006 12:52:48 -0500 Subject: Logo in .svg ???? In-Reply-To: <13dbfe4f0611130950q224f172eoaa1abff03e5cddd7@mail.gmail.com> References: <13dbfe4f0611130121x7f1cea2fu3b5e1f71e41a82e3@mail.gmail.com> <9c3bfa1d0611130130g5025ed46y41b733789edab730@mail.gmail.com> <13dbfe4f0611130950q224f172eoaa1abff03e5cddd7@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4558B0F0.1060803@redhat.com> Chitlesh GOORAH wrote: > On 11/13/06, seawolf wrote: >> As tis said on http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Logo : >> >> " >> Scalable vector versions of the logo can be obtained by sending a >> request to: >> * logo at fedoraproject.org >> >> The following versions are available: >> * Fedora Logo Full - The full text + "infinity" logo >> * Fedora Logo Infinity - The "infinity" logo, no text >> * Fedora Logotype - The logo text without the "infinity" logo > > My logo request was approved long time ago, but at that time .png > format was distributed. > Thanks , ThomasCanniot sent me a copy. You should probably send another request in case the guidelines, etc. have changed. I'll approve it. ~m From cimi86 at alice.it Wed Nov 15 13:31:56 2006 From: cimi86 at alice.it (Andrea Cimitan) Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2006 14:31:56 +0100 Subject: New Fedora GTK Theme In-Reply-To: References: <20061111171720.7f6c7e87@hydra.cimi.homelinux.net> <1163267732.7856.13.camel@rousalka.dyndns.org> <455659BD.8090201@redhat.com> <45566651.7090308@redhat.com> <20061112131402.5146af62@hydra.cimi.homelinux.net> <455754FB.5030200@redhat.com> Message-ID: <20061115143156.5aef2dce@hydra.cimi.homelinux.net> Il giorno Sun, 12 Nov 2006 17:33:30 +0000 Leo ha scritto: > On Sun, 12/11/06, M?ir?n Duffy wrote: > > >> 2) If you have a webspace I can just make a link from my website to > >> yours, since it is simpler to mantain the packages until someone > >> add murrine to the repository > > > > I can host the packages on my people.redhat.com page if you need > > space. Just send them to me and I'll put them up and send you the > > link. > > I have submitted the package to extras for review. It should soon get > into it. > updates? -- Cimi - Andrea Cimitan http://cimi.netsons.org From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Wed Nov 15 13:41:02 2006 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2006 19:11:02 +0530 Subject: New Fedora GTK Theme In-Reply-To: <20061115143156.5aef2dce@hydra.cimi.homelinux.net> References: <20061111171720.7f6c7e87@hydra.cimi.homelinux.net> <1163267732.7856.13.camel@rousalka.dyndns.org> <455659BD.8090201@redhat.com> <45566651.7090308@redhat.com> <20061112131402.5146af62@hydra.cimi.homelinux.net> <455754FB.5030200@redhat.com> <20061115143156.5aef2dce@hydra.cimi.homelinux.net> Message-ID: <455B18EE.8040200@fedoraproject.org> Andrea Cimitan wrote: > Il giorno Sun, 12 Nov 2006 17:33:30 +0000 > Leo ha scritto: > >> On Sun, 12/11/06, M?ir?n Duffy wrote: >> >>>> 2) If you have a webspace I can just make a link from my website to >>>> yours, since it is simpler to mantain the packages until someone >>>> add murrine to the repository >>> I can host the packages on my people.redhat.com page if you need >>> space. Just send them to me and I'll put them up and send you the >>> link. >> I have submitted the package to extras for review. It should soon get >> into it. >> > updates? The package has been submitted for review in https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=215224. Someone else will have to review it to make sure it matches the guidelines. You can follow progress by adding yourself to cc list of the review request. Rahul From duffy at redhat.com Wed Nov 15 19:36:24 2006 From: duffy at redhat.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?M=E1ir=EDn_Duffy?=) Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2006 14:36:24 -0500 Subject: [Fwd: Re: New Fedora GTK Theme (Screenshot)] Message-ID: <455B6C38.50403@redhat.com> including the art team in the discussion -------------- next part -------------- An embedded message was scrubbed... From: Andrea Cimitan Subject: Re: New Fedora GTK Theme (Screenshot) Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2006 20:30:27 +0100 Size: 4594 URL: From duffy at redhat.com Wed Nov 15 19:40:24 2006 From: duffy at redhat.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?M=E1ir=EDn_Duffy?=) Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2006 14:40:24 -0500 Subject: [Fwd: Re: New Fedora GTK Theme (Screenshot)] In-Reply-To: <455B6C38.50403@redhat.com> References: <455B6C38.50403@redhat.com> Message-ID: <455B6D28.2080307@redhat.com> > From: > Andrea Cimitan > Click to see my first screenshot of murrine with a simple fedora > colorscheme... > > http://img93.imageshack.us/img93/7726/previewml7.jpg > > Impressions??? 1) Overall I like the colors and shading. Quite nice! 2) There isn't really enough contrast in the menubars between the text and background. The text is hard to read. 3) I suspect the applications | places | menu item on the gnome panel would look funky with that menubar style? I noticed this is not included in the screenshot... Otherwise nice work! What metacity theme are you using? ~m From stb52988 at gmail.com Wed Nov 15 19:44:15 2006 From: stb52988 at gmail.com (Steve Barnhart) Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2006 14:44:15 -0500 Subject: [Fwd: Re: New Fedora GTK Theme (Screenshot)] In-Reply-To: <455B6C38.50403@redhat.com> References: <455B6C38.50403@redhat.com> Message-ID: <15ce3ec0611151144k5784a684oad01a4294ab1958e@mail.gmail.com> hmm I like murrine for the coloring of the toolbar/menu bar but everything else seems to "soft" or please excuse me, but idk "feminine", coming from a guy's perspective. Not that it doesn't look nice, but I find it looks messy when task entries are excessively rounded and the button gradient/color doesn't really appeal to me. I guess I just widely prefer a more "glass" look and definitely Apple's look. Is there a chance the buttons/selection can be given more of a glass look without looking over-done? I also like the way Windows XP does its buttons or the KDE polyester theme[1] (even though I have my problems with that). Its good though that grey is making its way out, it has been WAY overused and makes Linux look old and outdated. Keep up the good work though! 1. http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=27968 On 11/15/06, M?ir?n Duffy wrote: > including the art team in the discussion > > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: Andrea Cimitan > To: fedora-desktop-list at redhat.com > Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2006 20:30:27 +0100 > Subject: Re: New Fedora GTK Theme (Screenshot) > Il giorno Sat, 11 Nov 2006 19:48:11 -0500 > Ray Strode ha scritto: > > > Hi, > > > > On Sat, 2006-11-11 at 17:17 +0100, Andrea Cimitan wrote: > > > I think fedora could _at least_ add murrine to a repository, and > > > then I can provide a fantastic color scheme for the fedora desktop. > > It sounds interesting. Can you put together a theme that uses your > > engine that has fedora-ish colors? > > > > David, what do think? You might want to bring this up on the > > fedora-art list, too, so you can get some input from the fedora > > artists. > > > > --Ray > > Click to see my first screenshot of murrine with a simple fedora > colorscheme... > > http://img93.imageshack.us/img93/7726/previewml7.jpg > > Impressions??? > > -- > Cimi - Andrea Cimitan > http://cimi.netsons.org > > -- > Fedora-desktop-list mailing list > Fedora-desktop-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-desktop-list > > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list > > > -- Steve From stb52988 at gmail.com Wed Nov 15 19:46:12 2006 From: stb52988 at gmail.com (Steve Barnhart) Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2006 14:46:12 -0500 Subject: [Fwd: Re: New Fedora GTK Theme (Screenshot)] In-Reply-To: <455B6D28.2080307@redhat.com> References: <455B6C38.50403@redhat.com> <455B6D28.2080307@redhat.com> Message-ID: <15ce3ec0611151146o3283198es5a409f1582ec9cf4@mail.gmail.com> On 11/15/06, M?ir?n Duffy wrote: > 3) I suspect the applications | places | menu item on the gnome panel > would look funky with that menubar style? I noticed this is not included > in the screenshot... Exactly, thank you for reminding me. I like the menu bar coloring, but unfortunately it makes the applications menu bar that color. is there a way to not have it inherit the property or perhaps a patch can be made? I really like the colored menubar but also prefer my applications menu to stay with the look of the rest of the panel. > Otherwise nice work! What metacity theme are you using? > > ~m > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list > -- Steve From cimi86 at alice.it Wed Nov 15 20:17:53 2006 From: cimi86 at alice.it (Andrea Cimitan) Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2006 21:17:53 +0100 Subject: [Fwd: Re: New Fedora GTK Theme (Screenshot)] In-Reply-To: <15ce3ec0611151144k5784a684oad01a4294ab1958e@mail.gmail.com> References: <455B6C38.50403@redhat.com> <15ce3ec0611151144k5784a684oad01a4294ab1958e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20061115211753.2122916c@hydra.cimi.homelinux.net> Il giorno Wed, 15 Nov 2006 14:44:15 -0500 "Steve Barnhart" ha scritto: > hmm I like murrine for the coloring of the toolbar/menu bar but > everything else seems to "soft" or please excuse me, but idk > "feminine", coming from a guy's perspective. Not that it doesn't look > nice, but I find it looks messy when task entries are excessively > rounded and the button gradient/color doesn't really appeal to me. I > guess I just widely prefer a more "glass" look and definitely Apple's > look. > It's just a color scheme... contrast, roundness and glaze can be modified simply editing gtkrc of the theme. > Is there a chance the buttons/selection can be given more of a glass > look without looking over-done? I also like the way Windows XP does > its buttons or the KDE polyester theme[1] (even though I have my > problems with that). Its good though that grey is making its way out, > it has been WAY overused and makes Linux look old and outdated. Keep > up the good work though! > > 1. http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=27968 > This theme is absolutely *ugly*... Sorry i don't like it. > > On 11/15/06, M?ir?n Duffy wrote: > > including the art team in the discussion > > > > > > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > > From: Andrea Cimitan > > To: fedora-desktop-list at redhat.com > > Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2006 20:30:27 +0100 > > Subject: Re: New Fedora GTK Theme (Screenshot) > > Il giorno Sat, 11 Nov 2006 19:48:11 -0500 > > Ray Strode ha scritto: > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > On Sat, 2006-11-11 at 17:17 +0100, Andrea Cimitan wrote: > > > > I think fedora could _at least_ add murrine to a repository, and > > > > then I can provide a fantastic color scheme for the fedora > > > > desktop. > > > It sounds interesting. Can you put together a theme that uses > > > your engine that has fedora-ish colors? > > > > > > David, what do think? You might want to bring this up on the > > > fedora-art list, too, so you can get some input from the fedora > > > artists. > > > > > > --Ray > > > > Click to see my first screenshot of murrine with a simple fedora > > colorscheme... > > > > http://img93.imageshack.us/img93/7726/previewml7.jpg > > > > Impressions??? > > > > -- > > Cimi - Andrea Cimitan > > http://cimi.netsons.org > > > > -- > > Fedora-desktop-list mailing list > > Fedora-desktop-list at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-desktop-list > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Fedora-art-list mailing list > > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list > > > > > > > > -- Cimi - Andrea Cimitan http://cimi.netsons.org From cimi86 at alice.it Wed Nov 15 20:19:50 2006 From: cimi86 at alice.it (Andrea Cimitan) Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2006 21:19:50 +0100 Subject: [Fwd: Re: New Fedora GTK Theme (Screenshot)] In-Reply-To: <455B6D28.2080307@redhat.com> References: <455B6C38.50403@redhat.com> <455B6D28.2080307@redhat.com> Message-ID: <20061115211950.2a02cf78@hydra.cimi.homelinux.net> Il giorno Wed, 15 Nov 2006 14:40:24 -0500 M?ir?n Duffy ha scritto: > > From: > > Andrea Cimitan > > > Click to see my first screenshot of murrine with a simple fedora > > colorscheme... > > > > http://img93.imageshack.us/img93/7726/previewml7.jpg > > > > Impressions??? > > 1) Overall I like the colors and shading. Quite nice! > thx > 2) There isn't really enough contrast in the menubars between the > text and background. The text is hard to read. > i've made that color mod in 3 minutes... so don't expect do be perfect... it can be improved and even completely changed... it was done only to see how it can looks with ble theme > 3) I suspect the applications | places | menu item on the gnome panel > would look funky with that menubar style? I noticed this is not > included in the screenshot... > Yes it's true... I'm seeing if there's a way to get rid of it > Otherwise nice work! What metacity theme are you using? > > ~m > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list -- Cimi - Andrea Cimitan http://cimi.netsons.org From cimi86 at alice.it Wed Nov 15 21:22:34 2006 From: cimi86 at alice.it (Andrea Cimitan) Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2006 22:22:34 +0100 Subject: [Fwd: Re: New Fedora GTK Theme (Screenshot)] In-Reply-To: <15ce3ec0611151146o3283198es5a409f1582ec9cf4@mail.gmail.com> References: <455B6C38.50403@redhat.com> <455B6D28.2080307@redhat.com> <15ce3ec0611151146o3283198es5a409f1582ec9cf4@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20061115222234.52f099f3@hydra.cimi.homelinux.net> Il giorno Wed, 15 Nov 2006 14:46:12 -0500 "Steve Barnhart" ha scritto: > On 11/15/06, M?ir?n Duffy wrote: > > 3) I suspect the applications | places | menu item on the gnome > > panel would look funky with that menubar style? I noticed this is > > not included in the screenshot... > > > Exactly, thank you for reminding me. I like the menu bar coloring, but > unfortunately it makes the applications menu bar that color. is there > a way to not have it inherit the property or perhaps a patch can be > made? I really like the colored menubar but also prefer my > applications menu to stay with the look of the rest of the panel. > http://img55.imageshack.us/img55/9781/immagineaz1.jpg Simple fix in the gtkrc! :) > > Otherwise nice work! What metacity theme are you using? > > > > ~m > > It's compiz > > _______________________________________________ > > Fedora-art-list mailing list > > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list > > > > -- Cimi - Andrea Cimitan http://cimi.netsons.org From cimi86 at alice.it Wed Nov 15 21:42:02 2006 From: cimi86 at alice.it (Andrea Cimitan) Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2006 22:42:02 +0100 Subject: [Fwd: Re: New Fedora GTK Theme (Screenshot)] In-Reply-To: <15ce3ec0611151144k5784a684oad01a4294ab1958e@mail.gmail.com> References: <455B6C38.50403@redhat.com> <15ce3ec0611151144k5784a684oad01a4294ab1958e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20061115224202.1818ae8d@hydra.cimi.homelinux.net> Il giorno Wed, 15 Nov 2006 14:44:15 -0500 "Steve Barnhart" ha scritto: > hmm I like murrine for the coloring of the toolbar/menu bar but > everything else seems to "soft" or please excuse me, but idk > "feminine", coming from a guy's perspective. Not that it doesn't look > nice, but I find it looks messy when task entries are excessively > rounded and the button gradient/color doesn't really appeal to me. I > guess I just widely prefer a more "glass" look and definitely Apple's > look. > See changes in roundness and on the glaze effect on another screenshot i've emailed few minutes ago > Is there a chance the buttons/selection can be given more of a glass > look without looking over-done? I also like the way Windows XP does > its buttons or the KDE polyester theme[1] (even though I have my > problems with that). Its good though that grey is making its way out, > it has been WAY overused and makes Linux look old and outdated. Keep > up the good work though! > > 1. http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=27968 > > > On 11/15/06, M?ir?n Duffy wrote: > > including the art team in the discussion > > > > > > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > > From: Andrea Cimitan > > To: fedora-desktop-list at redhat.com > > Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2006 20:30:27 +0100 > > Subject: Re: New Fedora GTK Theme (Screenshot) > > Il giorno Sat, 11 Nov 2006 19:48:11 -0500 > > Ray Strode ha scritto: > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > On Sat, 2006-11-11 at 17:17 +0100, Andrea Cimitan wrote: > > > > I think fedora could _at least_ add murrine to a repository, and > > > > then I can provide a fantastic color scheme for the fedora > > > > desktop. > > > It sounds interesting. Can you put together a theme that uses > > > your engine that has fedora-ish colors? > > > > > > David, what do think? You might want to bring this up on the > > > fedora-art list, too, so you can get some input from the fedora > > > artists. > > > > > > --Ray > > > > Click to see my first screenshot of murrine with a simple fedora > > colorscheme... > > > > http://img93.imageshack.us/img93/7726/previewml7.jpg > > > > Impressions??? > > > > -- > > Cimi - Andrea Cimitan > > http://cimi.netsons.org > > > > -- > > Fedora-desktop-list mailing list > > Fedora-desktop-list at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-desktop-list > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Fedora-art-list mailing list > > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list > > > > > > > > -- Cimi - Andrea Cimitan http://cimi.netsons.org From stb52988 at gmail.com Thu Nov 16 00:17:38 2006 From: stb52988 at gmail.com (Steve Barnhart) Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2006 19:17:38 -0500 Subject: [Fwd: Re: New Fedora GTK Theme (Screenshot)] In-Reply-To: <20061115222234.52f099f3@hydra.cimi.homelinux.net> References: <455B6C38.50403@redhat.com> <455B6D28.2080307@redhat.com> <15ce3ec0611151146o3283198es5a409f1582ec9cf4@mail.gmail.com> <20061115222234.52f099f3@hydra.cimi.homelinux.net> Message-ID: <15ce3ec0611151617s1bf0caecx8e02d2f341e7d35c@mail.gmail.com> On 11/15/06, Andrea Cimitan wrote: > Il giorno Wed, 15 Nov 2006 14:46:12 -0500 > "Steve Barnhart" ha scritto: > > Exactly, thank you for reminding me. I like the menu bar coloring, but > > unfortunately it makes the applications menu bar that color. is there > > a way to not have it inherit the property or perhaps a patch can be > > made? I really like the colored menubar but also prefer my > > applications menu to stay with the look of the rest of the panel. > > > > http://img55.imageshack.us/img55/9781/immagineaz1.jpg > > Simple fix in the gtkrc! :) Umm where exactly is that option? I tried just about everything in murrine-config... but my apps menu is still striped. -- Steve From luya_tfz at thefinalzone.com Thu Nov 16 06:18:11 2006 From: luya_tfz at thefinalzone.com (Luya Tshimbalanga) Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2006 01:18:11 -0500 Subject: [Fwd: Re: New Fedora GTK Theme (Screenshot)] In-Reply-To: <15ce3ec0611151146o3283198es5a409f1582ec9cf4@mail.gmail.com> References: <455B6C38.50403@redhat.com> <455B6D28.2080307@redhat.com> <15ce3ec0611151146o3283198es5a409f1582ec9cf4@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1163657891.455c02a306a34@ssl.mecca.ca> Quoting Steve Barnhart : > On 11/15/06, M?ir?n Duffy wrote: > > 3) I suspect the applications | places | menu item on the gnome panel > > would look funky with that menubar style? I noticed this is not included > > in the screenshot... > > > Exactly, thank you for reminding me. I like the menu bar coloring, but > unfortunately it makes the applications menu bar that color. is there > a way to not have it inherit the property or perhaps a patch can be > made? I really like the colored menubar but also prefer my > applications menu to stay with the look of the rest of the panel. > > > Otherwise nice work! What metacity theme are you using? > > > > ~m > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Fedora-art-list mailing list > > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list > > > > > -- > Steve > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list > > Speaking about Metacity, how can you change the corner. I attempted to modify the corner like top-left and bottom-right angular and top-right and bottom-left rounded similar to the draft I did on http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/LuyaTshimbalanga/ConceptWidget. Can anyone provide the metacity code for these change? -- Luya Tshimbalanga Fedora Project contributor http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/LuyaTshimbalanga From n.losito at yahoo.it Thu Nov 16 09:21:41 2006 From: n.losito at yahoo.it (Nicola Losito) Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2006 10:21:41 +0100 Subject: quoting Message-ID: <9164F8B7-F0F6-45DB-B9E1-2985DF54311A@yahoo.it> Can everyone PLEASE, PLEASE check their quoting ? TIA -- Nicola .:kOoLiNuS:. Losito http://www.koolinus.net http://koolinus.wordpress.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Can we test it ? -- Thomas Canniot http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ThomasCanniot From federico.bebber at gmail.com Sat Nov 18 09:19:30 2006 From: federico.bebber at gmail.com (Hubert Cumberdale) Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2006 10:19:30 +0100 Subject: New Fedora Metacity for Murrine In-Reply-To: <20061118022633.41546114@hydra.cimi.homelinux.net> References: <20061118022633.41546114@hydra.cimi.homelinux.net> Message-ID: On 11/18/06, Andrea Cimitan wrote: Hope you like this. like it a lot, keep it up. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From cimi86 at alice.it Sat Nov 18 12:31:37 2006 From: cimi86 at alice.it (Andrea Cimitan) Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2006 13:31:37 +0100 Subject: New Fedora Theme (GTK2+Metacity) (Download) Message-ID: <20061118133137.0c7c85a2@hydra.cimi.homelinux.net> Here it is... Requires "Murrine Gtk2 Engine" version 0.31 otherwise you will have no gtk2 look. Please use with the added metacity. Notes: Under development... It's just a simple theme to see Murrine capabilities... To customize the look you can do in two ways: 1)Install Murrine configurator and edit with the GUI (recommended): http://cimi.netsons.org/pages/murrine/configurator.php 2)If you want less roundness edit gtkrc of the theme and set roundness to 3 (clearlooks roundness) or 0,1 to a squared one. set glazestyle = 1 for a "curved" hilight on glaze instead flat ones. See attachments for the archive. Best Regards -- Cimi - Andrea Cimitan http://cimi.netsons.org -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: MurrinaEcho.tar.gz Type: application/x-gzip Size: 5679 bytes Desc: not available URL: From cimi86 at alice.it Sat Nov 18 12:38:25 2006 From: cimi86 at alice.it (Andrea Cimitan) Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2006 13:38:25 +0100 Subject: New Fedora Theme (GTK2+Metacity) (Download, Fixed index.theme) Message-ID: <20061118133825.602aab61@hydra.cimi.homelinux.net> Here it is... Requires "Murrine Gtk2 Engine" version 0.31 otherwise you will have no gtk2 look. Please use with the added metacity. Notes: Under development... It's just a simple theme to see Murrine capabilities... To customize the look you can do in two ways: 1)Install Murrine configurator and edit with the GUI (recommended): http://cimi.netsons.org/pages/murrine/configurator.php 2)If you want less roundness edit gtkrc of the theme and set roundness to 3 (clearlooks roundness) or 0,1 to a squared one. set glazestyle = 1 for a "curved" hilight on glaze instead flat ones. See attachments for the archive. Best Regards -- Cimi - Andrea Cimitan http://cimi.netsons.org -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Best Regards -- Cimi - Andrea Cimitan http://cimi.netsons.org -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: MurrinaEcho.tar.gz Type: application/x-gzip Size: 5676 bytes Desc: not available URL: From sdl.web at gmail.com Sat Nov 18 13:16:25 2006 From: sdl.web at gmail.com (Leo) Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2006 13:16:25 +0000 Subject: New Fedora Theme (GTK2+Metacity) (Download, Fixed index.theme) References: <20061118133825.602aab61@hydra.cimi.homelinux.net> Message-ID: On Sat, 18/11/06, Andrea Cimitan wrote: > Here it is... > Requires "Murrine Gtk2 Engine" version 0.31 otherwise you will have no > gtk2 look. > Please use with the added metacity. > > Notes: > Under development... It's just a simple theme to see Murrine > capabilities... > To customize the look you can do in two ways: > 1)Install Murrine configurator and edit with the GUI (recommended): > http://cimi.netsons.org/pages/murrine/configurator.php > 2)If you want less roundness edit gtkrc of the theme and set roundness > to 3 (clearlooks roundness) or 0,1 to a squared one. > set glazestyle = 1 for a "curved" hilight on glaze instead flat ones. > > See attachments for the archive. > > Best Regards > -- > Cimi - Andrea Cimitan > http://cimi.netsons.org This is an excellent start point. But I don't have a good eyesight and it seems the color of the font is a bit too light for me. Is it black? -- Leo From luya_tfz at thefinalzone.com Sun Nov 19 01:01:53 2006 From: luya_tfz at thefinalzone.com (Luya Tshimbalanga) Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2006 20:01:53 -0500 Subject: Thank you. In-Reply-To: <20061118133825.602aab61@hydra.cimi.homelinux.net> References: <20061118133825.602aab61@hydra.cimi.homelinux.net> Message-ID: <1163898113.455fad01212f1@ssl.mecca.ca> Quoting Andrea Cimitan : > Under development... It's just a simple theme to see Murrine > capabilities... > To customize the look you can do in two ways: > 1)Install Murrine configurator and edit with the GUI (recommended): > http://cimi.netsons.org/pages/murrine/configurator.php > 2)If you want less roundness edit gtkrc of the theme and set roundness > to 3 (clearlooks roundness) or 0,1 to a squared one. > set glazestyle = 1 for a "curved" hilight on glaze instead flat ones. Thank you Andrea. It will continue to work on a customized theme once I get used to metacity and gtkrc. (total newbie) The challenge is to make a window theme like http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/LuyaTshimbalanga/ConceptWidget?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=concept-vancouver-alternate.png -- Luya Tshimbalanga Fedora Project contributor http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/LuyaTshimbalanga From iamseawolf at gmail.com Thu Nov 16 13:04:05 2006 From: iamseawolf at gmail.com (seawolf) Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2006 13:04:05 +0000 Subject: [FC7 theme proposal] Flying High with Fedora 7 - Round 1 (John Baer) In-Reply-To: <9c3bfa1d0611131259g3471a9fem93f19b85c6a43188@mail.gmail.com> References: <20061111170004.340427322B@hormel.redhat.com> <1163383289.9432.9.camel@baerj-desktop> <9c3bfa1d0611130137t5d975541sdf9edadcd112815f@mail.gmail.com> <9c3bfa1d0611131259g3471a9fem93f19b85c6a43188@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <9c3bfa1d0611160504v1c89f1d8g2c5bc1dc45bc3cf0@mail.gmail.com> - Overlayed the sky with new layer filled with the fedora blue, soft light @ 50% opacity. - The logo looks shabby because its only been filled in, not replaced. - 7 in the baloon replaced with a flame. Maybe tune it down but it'll do for a POC. If I were working with source it'd look something approaching normal! You get the idea with the colour differences, though. I just think it looks a little grey and not-quite-so-vibrant as, e.g. the Echo icons colours. The original image was rejected because of file size. Reduced to 90dpi. On 13/11/06, seawolf wrote: > I'll knock one up tonight and post it -- ..// seawolf //.. Ben Arnold e-mail / msn / icq / yahoo iamseawolf (at) gmail (dot) com http://clik.to/seawolfsanctuary fedora core : artwork GnuPG Available - ask me! -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: fly2.png Type: image/png Size: 233221 bytes Desc: not available URL: From dimitris at glezos.com Mon Nov 20 01:45:57 2006 From: dimitris at glezos.com (Dimitris Glezos) Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2006 01:45:57 +0000 Subject: Tweaking the design of the wiki Message-ID: <456108D5.2080807@glezos.com> (CCing art-list) Hi all. I've made some CSS/foo for the wiki. Here are some screenshots: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DimitrisGlezos/WikiDesignTuning There have been some comments for improving the design of the wiki in the past [1] but unfortunately they went uncommitted. It is sad to see contributions and ideas not receiving the attention they require. The design of the wiki is a *major* marketing issue and the artwork team should have the opportunity to tune and increase the wiki's usability. It would be great if *tomorrow* we could make the website more usable and accessible, wouldn't it? :) It is a good idea (tm) to always document somewhere the names of the people in charge of stuff; it seems many pieces of the websites items don't have real maintainers but just good hackers that just don't have enough time to do everything. On the other hand, if no-one is in charge, we should put *Maintainer/moderator needed* at the place where the name should appear, so that someone steps up, who could be just the person in charge of poking in turn the right people. So, it would be a great idea IMO to have a `Websites/Contact points` wiki page. Awaiting comments. I'll try to produce a reasonable `diff` soon. -d [1]:http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-websites-list/2006-June/thread.html#00051 -- Dimitris Glezos Jabber ID: glezos at jabber.org, GPG: 0xA5A04C3B http://dimitris.glezos.com/ "He who gives up functionality for ease of use loses both and deserves neither." (Anonymous) -- From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Mon Nov 20 01:58:06 2006 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2006 07:28:06 +0530 Subject: Planet OLPC Message-ID: <45610BAE.3080909@fedoraproject.org> Hi Not strictly related to Fedora but OLPC has a Fedora base so people here might be interested. Here is a mockup of design that Diana Fong has made for the soon to be launched Planet OLPC http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/OLPC/Planet If anyone has some CSS foo to implement it, do let me know offlist. Thanks. Rahul From onuorah_ifeoma at yahoo.com Mon Nov 20 02:20:31 2006 From: onuorah_ifeoma at yahoo.com (Ifeoma Onuorah) Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2006 18:20:31 -0800 (PST) Subject: Planet OLPC In-Reply-To: <45610BAE.3080909@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <539764.97314.qm@web35704.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- Rahul Sundaram wrote: wow that looks really nice! Kind of different from some of the stuff that I saw over the summer when i was interning there. Nice design great job! -ify > Hi > > Not strictly related to Fedora but OLPC has a Fedora > base so people here > might be interested. Here is a mockup of design that > Diana Fong has made > for the soon to be launched Planet OLPC > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/OLPC/Planet > > If anyone has some CSS foo to implement it, do let > me know offlist. Thanks. > > Rahul > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Sponsored Link Degrees online in as fast as 1 Yr MBA, Bachelor's, Master's, Assoc http://yahoo.degrees.info From duffy at redhat.com Mon Nov 20 04:15:19 2006 From: duffy at redhat.com (=?UTF-8?B?TcOhaXLDrW4gRHVmZnk=?=) Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2006 23:15:19 -0500 Subject: [Fwd: Tweaking the design of the wiki] Message-ID: <45612BD7.1040500@redhat.com> -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Tweaking the design of the wiki Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2006 01:45:57 +0000 From: Dimitris Glezos Reply-To: dimitris at glezos.com, "For maintainers and developers of all formal Fedora websites." To: fedora-websites-list at redhat.com CC: Discussions about the artwork included with Fedora, including icons, themes, and wallpapers. (CCing art-list) Hi all. I've made some CSS/foo for the wiki. Here are some screenshots: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DimitrisGlezos/WikiDesignTuning There have been some comments for improving the design of the wiki in the past [1] but unfortunately they went uncommitted. It is sad to see contributions and ideas not receiving the attention they require. The design of the wiki is a *major* marketing issue and the artwork team should have the opportunity to tune and increase the wiki's usability. It would be great if *tomorrow* we could make the website more usable and accessible, wouldn't it? :) It is a good idea (tm) to always document somewhere the names of the people in charge of stuff; it seems many pieces of the websites items don't have real maintainers but just good hackers that just don't have enough time to do everything. On the other hand, if no-one is in charge, we should put *Maintainer/moderator needed* at the place where the name should appear, so that someone steps up, who could be just the person in charge of poking in turn the right people. So, it would be a great idea IMO to have a `Websites/Contact points` wiki page. Awaiting comments. I'll try to produce a reasonable `diff` soon. -d [1]:http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-websites-list/2006-June/thread.html#00051 -- Dimitris Glezos Jabber ID: glezos at jabber.org, GPG: 0xA5A04C3B http://dimitris.glezos.com/ "He who gives up functionality for ease of use loses both and deserves neither." (Anonymous) -- -- Fedora-websites-list mailing list Fedora-websites-list at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-websites-list From duffy at redhat.com Mon Nov 20 04:19:47 2006 From: duffy at redhat.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?M=E1ir=EDn_Duffy?=) Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2006 23:19:47 -0500 Subject: Planet OLPC In-Reply-To: <45610BAE.3080909@fedoraproject.org> References: <45610BAE.3080909@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <45612CE3.7000507@redhat.com> Rahul Sundaram wrote: > Hi > > Not strictly related to Fedora but OLPC has a Fedora base so people here > might be interested. Here is a mockup of design that Diana Fong has made > for the soon to be launched Planet OLPC > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/OLPC/Planet > > If anyone has some CSS foo to implement it, do let me know offlist. Thanks. If anybody wants to take a stab at this, the planet.gnome.org CSS would probably be a good start. IIRC Steven Garrity wrote it so he might be willing to give some tips too to anyone interested. It might (most likely will) require changes to the planet html.tmpl file as well. ~m From dimitris at glezos.com Mon Nov 20 17:48:04 2006 From: dimitris at glezos.com (Dimitris Glezos) Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2006 17:48:04 +0000 Subject: New Fedora Metacity for Murrine In-Reply-To: <20061118022633.41546114@hydra.cimi.homelinux.net> References: <20061118022633.41546114@hydra.cimi.homelinux.net> Message-ID: <4561EA54.90308@glezos.com> O/H Andrea Cimitan ??????: > After fixing last (for the moment) bugs in murrine (thx > Matthias Clasen) I've done a simple metacity to fit the theme: > http://img216.imageshack.us/img216/4841/fedorametacityuh6.png > > Hope you like this. Hi Andrea, the theme is very slick and pleasant. Thumbs-up! :) Some comments: * Put more colors than just blue, preferable some more-or-less complimentary than the ones used. * Increase contrast on the menu: the letters are not very readable. * Pressed buttons draw more attention than they should -- decrease contrast. * Selected list row has the same bg color as the alternate row (see songs 1, 2 in the list) * I think the list header should be a bit more dark to separate it from the list itself. -d -- Dimitris Glezos Jabber ID: glezos at jabber.org, GPG: 0xA5A04C3B http://dimitris.glezos.com/ "He who gives up functionality for ease of use loses both and deserves neither." (Anonymous) -- From caser24 at gmail.com Tue Nov 21 00:39:08 2006 From: caser24 at gmail.com (Caser24) Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2006 03:39:08 +0300 Subject: (no subject) Message-ID: -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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With the talent of team I am sure this theme (or another) could evolve in ways I have not even considered. :) Cheers, John http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fc7ThemeProposalFlyingHigh From nicolas.mailhot at laposte.net Tue Nov 21 11:43:35 2006 From: nicolas.mailhot at laposte.net (Nicolas Mailhot) Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2006 12:43:35 +0100 (CET) Subject: [FC7 theme proposal] Flying High with Fedora 7 - Round 1 In-Reply-To: <1164108798.5826.11.camel@baerj-desktop> References: <1164108798.5826.11.camel@baerj-desktop> Message-ID: <41608.192.54.193.51.1164109415.squirrel@rousalka.dyndns.org> Le Mar 21 novembre 2006 12:33, John Baer a ?crit : > All, > > I added a couple of additional images to further expand the Flying High > Theme "proof of concept". I am not suggesting these are candidates for a > final product just starting points. > > With the talent of team I am sure this theme (or another) could evolve > in ways I have not even considered. :) Ok, some comments : 1. The problem I see with Try 1 is the art background has been widely available on art sites for quite a long time, so it might not be perceived as very original by users (or even worse as Fedora freeloading other art). Try 2 is better in this regard, but a bit too basic at this stage 2. The balloon logo really evoques more a lightbulb than a balloon, maybe the basket part could be reworked a bit 3. The fedora mark on the anaconda mockup is clearly artificial That being said, there's clearly a lot of potential in the idea. It needs to be coordinated colour-wise with the theme & icon effort -- Nicolas Mailhot From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Tue Nov 21 12:40:39 2006 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2006 14:40:39 +0200 Subject: [FC7 theme proposal] Flying High with Fedora 7 - Round 1 In-Reply-To: <1164108798.5826.11.camel@baerj-desktop> References: <1164108798.5826.11.camel@baerj-desktop> Message-ID: <4562F3C7.9040401@nicubunu.ro> John Baer wrote: > > I added a couple of additional images to further expand the Flying High > Theme "proof of concept". I am not suggesting these are candidates for a > final product just starting points. > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fc7ThemeProposalFlyingHigh How about dropping the number "7" from the balloon and maybe replacing it with an "f"? (attached) -- nicu Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: baloon.png Type: image/png Size: 5405 bytes Desc: not available URL: From nicolas.mailhot at laposte.net Tue Nov 21 13:50:38 2006 From: nicolas.mailhot at laposte.net (Nicolas Mailhot) Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2006 14:50:38 +0100 (CET) Subject: [FC7 theme proposal] Flying High with Fedora 7 - Round 1 In-Reply-To: <4562F3C7.9040401@nicubunu.ro> References: <1164108798.5826.11.camel@baerj-desktop> <4562F3C7.9040401@nicubunu.ro> Message-ID: <11503.192.54.193.52.1164117038.squirrel@rousalka.dyndns.org> Le Mar 21 novembre 2006 13:40, Nicu Buculei a ?crit : > John Baer wrote: >> >> I added a couple of additional images to further expand the Flying High >> Theme "proof of concept". I am not suggesting these are candidates for a >> final product just starting points. >> >> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fc7ThemeProposalFlyingHigh > > How about dropping the number "7" from the balloon and maybe replacing > it with an "f"? (attached) For those who don't know it, how the same theme has been exploited by others: http://gnome-look.org/content/show.php?content=48465 Given the "beta" reputation of Fedora stressing the serenity aspect of balloons may be more appropriate. regards, -- Nicolas Mailhot From duffy at redhat.com Tue Nov 21 14:36:10 2006 From: duffy at redhat.com (=?UTF-8?B?TcOhaXLDrW4gRHVmZnk=?=) Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2006 09:36:10 -0500 Subject: Tweaking the design of the wiki In-Reply-To: <4562FEFD.2070005@glezos.com> References: <456108D5.2080807@glezos.com> <369bce3b0611192300k33abd4a4j45647ce09f72f832@mail.gmail.com> <4562FEFD.2070005@glezos.com> Message-ID: <45630EDA.6020206@redhat.com> Hi Dimitris, Dimitris Glezos wrote: > O/H Thomas Chung ??????: >> On 11/19/06, Dimitris Glezos wrote: >>> I've made some CSS/foo for the wiki. Here are some screenshots: >>> >>> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DimitrisGlezos/WikiDesignTuning >> I like the new design. You have my vote. > > Thanks Thomas. > > Since no-one had any objections, maybe we should go forward with this. For what it's worth, I think these proposed modifications look fabulous! It's very clean and makes the level of hierarchy each piece of information is in on the page much more clearer. One additional thing I would suggest - if you can do it and think it is a good idea - is to add a spot in the right nav on the wiki for little banners to advertise Fedora subprojects and events, etc. This is something we had talked about on the marketing list I think a long time ago - http://people.redhat.com/duffy/misc/fedoramentor-banner.png (although might be better on the top). > Here is an action plan: > > 1. Make some further improvements and upload an HTML version (22/11) > > 2. Get some test/feedback from `fedora-websites-list` members (24/11) If you want to do a formal usability test let me know and I can help out with that. I'll be on vacation these 22/11 - 26/11 so I'll have time! :) Thanks for taking charge on this Dimitris! We've needed this for a long time. :) ~m From dfong at redhat.com Tue Nov 21 20:16:32 2006 From: dfong at redhat.com (Diana Fong) Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2006 15:16:32 -0500 Subject: [FC7 theme proposal] Flying High with Fedora 7 - Round 1 In-Reply-To: <11503.192.54.193.52.1164117038.squirrel@rousalka.dyndns.org> References: <1164108798.5826.11.camel@baerj-desktop> <4562F3C7.9040401@nicubunu.ro> <11503.192.54.193.52.1164117038.squirrel@rousalka.dyndns.org> Message-ID: <45635EA0.3010702@redhat.com> Nicolas Mailhot wrote: > John Baer wrote: > >> I added a couple of additional images to further expand the Flying High >> Theme "proof of concept". I am not suggesting these are candidates for a >> final product just starting points. >> >> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fc7ThemeProposalFlyingHigh >> Once again...great supporting images for the concept. John, thinking ahead, the photographic approach might be worthwhile to pursue and so I would like to know if these photos are free to use and if larger (higher res) versions are available? > For those who don't know it, how the same theme has been exploited by others: > > http://gnome-look.org/content/show.php?content=48465 > > Given the "beta" reputation of Fedora stressing the serenity aspect of > balloons may be more appropriate. That's adorable! =) Diana From duffy at redhat.com Tue Nov 21 20:21:33 2006 From: duffy at redhat.com (=?UTF-8?B?TcOhaXLDrW4gRHVmZnk=?=) Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2006 15:21:33 -0500 Subject: [FC7 theme proposal] Flying High with Fedora 7 - Round 1 In-Reply-To: <45635EA0.3010702@redhat.com> References: <1164108798.5826.11.camel@baerj-desktop> <4562F3C7.9040401@nicubunu.ro> <11503.192.54.193.52.1164117038.squirrel@rousalka.dyndns.org> <45635EA0.3010702@redhat.com> Message-ID: <45635FCD.2040706@redhat.com> Diana Fong wrote: > Nicolas Mailhot wrote: >> John Baer wrote: >> >>> I added a couple of additional images to further expand the Flying High >>> Theme "proof of concept". I am not suggesting these are candidates for a >>> final product just starting points. >>> >>> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fc7ThemeProposalFlyingHigh >>> > > Once again...great supporting images for the concept. > John, thinking ahead, the photographic approach might be worthwhile to > pursue and so I would like to know if these photos are free to use and > if larger (higher res) versions are available? We most certainly can not use these images if they are not licensed for us to use. Where did you obtain them? >> For those who don't know it, how the same theme has been exploited by >> others: >> >> http://gnome-look.org/content/show.php?content=48465 >> >> Given the "beta" reputation of Fedora stressing the serenity aspect of >> balloons may be more appropriate. > > That's adorable! =) Do we really want to be pushing something that's already been done? Fedora == innovation? I kind of thought that was more Nicolas' point. ~m From baerjj at gmail.com Wed Nov 22 22:45:53 2006 From: baerjj at gmail.com (John Baer) Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2006 17:45:53 -0500 Subject: [FC7 theme proposal] Flying High with Fedora 7 - Round 1 In-Reply-To: <20061122170005.B8E1973926@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20061122170005.B8E1973926@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1164235553.4650.43.camel@baerj-desktop> M?ir?n & Diana, On Wed, 2006-11-22 at 12:00 -0500, fedora-art-list-request at redhat.com wrote: > Do we really want to be pushing something that's already been done? > > Fedora == innovation? > > I kind of thought that was more Nicolas' point. > > ~m Don't really know how to respond to Nicolas' point. The "flying_pingu" gnome wallpaper was not what I envisioned. The Flying High with Fedora was just an idea which I thought could represent the level of achievement Fedora has obtained. It is hard to argue the hot air balloon theme may have been used before but I thought it offered an opportunity try new new colors, new shapes. Maybe more 3d? As to the pictures in flying high, they were saved from the web to simply present the concept. My thought is original sketches would be better candidates for the final. I also agree Fedora should equal innovation and innovation is a great concept for a theme but I am unsure how to present it. Thanks for the feedback. John From nicolas.mailhot at laposte.net Thu Nov 23 08:30:36 2006 From: nicolas.mailhot at laposte.net (Nicolas Mailhot) Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2006 09:30:36 +0100 (CET) Subject: [FC7 theme proposal] Flying High with Fedora 7 - Round 1 In-Reply-To: <1164235553.4650.43.camel@baerj-desktop> References: <20061122170005.B8E1973926@hormel.redhat.com> <1164235553.4650.43.camel@baerj-desktop> Message-ID: <29153.192.54.193.51.1164270636.squirrel@rousalka.dyndns.org> Le Mer 22 novembre 2006 23:45, John Baer a ?crit : > M?ir?n & Diana, > > On Wed, 2006-11-22 at 12:00 -0500, fedora-art-list-request at redhat.com > wrote: >> Do we really want to be pushing something that's already been done? >> >> Fedora == innovation? >> >> I kind of thought that was more Nicolas' point. > Don't really know how to respond to Nicolas' point. The "flying_pingu" > gnome wallpaper was not what I envisioned. Since there seems to be some confusion: I really only posted the link to give some perspective, I honestly think Fedora should do its own unique theming, not copy blindly others. However to avoid the perception of copying other you have to knwo what they did in the first place. > As to the pictures in flying high, they were saved from the web to > simply present the concept. My thought is original sketches would be > better candidates for the final. +1 > I also agree Fedora should equal innovation and innovation is a great > concept for a theme but I am unsure how to present it. I don't think it should be stressed too much. People already know this part of Fedora. Regards, -- Nicolas Mailhot From n.losito at yahoo.it Thu Nov 23 10:13:55 2006 From: n.losito at yahoo.it (Nicola Losito) Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2006 11:13:55 +0100 Subject: Flying High with Fedora 7 - Round 1 In-Reply-To: <1164108798.5826.11.camel@baerj-desktop> References: <1164108798.5826.11.camel@baerj-desktop> Message-ID: Personally i like the suggestion very much. It's coloured which makes me thinks of life, joyfull (who doesn't like baloons in the sky?) and peculiar, since no other distro out there sports somthing similar. Also it could be and inspiration to produce something new for the Core 7 in terms of colors, GDM theme, wallpapers. Speaking of GDM themes, is it possible that i am the only one who likes them with "faces" support ? -- Nicola .:kOoLiNuS:. Losito http://koolinus.wordpress.com ITA => http://www.koolinus.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Thu Nov 23 10:28:47 2006 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2006 12:28:47 +0200 Subject: Flying High with Fedora 7 - Round 1 In-Reply-To: References: <1164108798.5826.11.camel@baerj-desktop> Message-ID: <456577DF.5010902@nicubunu.ro> Nicola Losito wrote: > > Speaking of GDM themes, is it possible that i am the only one who likes > them with "faces" support ? http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Desktop/FastUserSwitching It appears the decision was taken elsewhere and the face browser will be default because of f-u-s. -- nicu Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From n.losito at yahoo.it Thu Nov 23 15:28:36 2006 From: n.losito at yahoo.it (Nicola Losito) Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2006 16:28:36 +0100 Subject: Flying High with Fedora 7 - Round 1 In-Reply-To: <456577DF.5010902@nicubunu.ro> References: <1164108798.5826.11.camel@baerj-desktop> <456577DF.5010902@nicubunu.ro> Message-ID: <9C8D8359-D841-42CB-9060-D149CBF2697C@yahoo.it> Il giorno 23/nov/06, alle ore 11:28, Nicu Buculei ha scritto: > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Desktop/FastUserSwitching > It appears the decision was taken elsewhere and the face browser > will be default because of f-u-s. Alleluhia ! -- Nicola .:kOoLiNuS:. Losito http://www.koolinus.net http://koolinus.wordpress.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dfong at redhat.com Thu Nov 23 19:36:19 2006 From: dfong at redhat.com (Diana Fong) Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2006 14:36:19 -0500 Subject: [FC7 theme proposal] Flying High with Fedora 7 - Round 1 In-Reply-To: <1164235553.4650.43.camel@baerj-desktop> References: <20061122170005.B8E1973926@hormel.redhat.com> <1164235553.4650.43.camel@baerj-desktop> Message-ID: <4565F833.9050402@redhat.com> John Baer wrote: > The Flying High with Fedora was just an idea which I thought could > represent the level of achievement Fedora has obtained. It is hard to > argue the hot air balloon theme may have been used before but I thought > it offered an opportunity try new new colors, new shapes. Maybe more 3d? > Hot air balloons have been used somewhere, sometime, by somebody. The same could be said for many ideas...even the desktop. Yet why do hundreds, if not thousands, of people still continue to work on Fedora?...because it offers an opportunity for new things. No idea is genuinely new these days...it's what you do with it, how you interpret, and evolve the basic idea...that makes it innovative. Even the process by which we hopefully approach, collaborate, design and produce this theme would be an innovation. The way I interpreted Nicholas's link was to point to an existing approach to the idea...too make us aware. > As to the pictures in flying high, they were saved from the web to > simply present the concept. My thought is original sketches would be > better candidates for the final. I, myself, was curious about the photos because the vibrant colors and shapes inspired a couple visual directions I would like to explore. It would, therefore, have be convenient if there was free collection I could experiment with. There could be several different approaches to the theme...some might fail and some might succeed far beyond what was originally suggested...and _that's_ what I am excited to see in Round two. Original sketches could very well be the better choice. > I also agree Fedora should equal innovation and innovation is a great > concept for a theme but I am unsure how to present it. I think you've done a great job with your emails to the fedora-art-list, in addition the postings on your proposal page. It shows us the idea you have in mind, some variations of possible exploration within the theme, and good starting points to inspire others in contributing to this theme...not to mention the many ways it could potentially evolve. Thank you for making such a promising theme proposal and for further explaining the vision. Diana From duffy at redhat.com Thu Nov 23 20:01:39 2006 From: duffy at redhat.com (=?UTF-8?B?TcOhaXLDrW4gRHVmZnk=?=) Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2006 15:01:39 -0500 Subject: [FC7 theme proposal] Flying High with Fedora 7 - Round 1 In-Reply-To: <4565F833.9050402@redhat.com> References: <20061122170005.B8E1973926@hormel.redhat.com> <1164235553.4650.43.camel@baerj-desktop> <4565F833.9050402@redhat.com> Message-ID: <4565FE23.10808@redhat.com> Diana Fong wrote: > John Baer wrote: >> The Flying High with Fedora was just an idea which I thought could >> represent the level of achievement Fedora has obtained. It is hard to >> argue the hot air balloon theme may have been used before but I thought >> it offered an opportunity try new new colors, new shapes. Maybe more 3d? > Hot air balloons have been used somewhere, sometime, by somebody. The > same could be said for many ideas...even the desktop. You are missing the point entirely. I as well as other people have seen that very same balloon image (the blue one) before - I had seen it as a GDM theme on art.gnome.org. Obviously it's OK to take a base concept and run with it (studio 3D animated movies seem to do this rather ridiculously - right now it's all about penguins, we have Happy Feet and that penguin surfing one coming out. A while ago there was 'A Bug's Life' and 'Ants'.) But what is the point if you can't do something new and interesting with it (slapping a Fedora logo on a balloon != new and interesting IMHO)? We don't want to appear like we're a follower in the way these 3-D animation studios seem to follow each other. We want to be a leader. That's all my point was. John's intention wrt using the images was not clear until he explained before in his last message that the artwork he used was meant to be placeholder art. I made it quite explicit in the theme submission guidelines that you may use artwork that someone else did *as long as you got their permission*. As he did not follow that guideline and instead chose to use placeholder art without making it clear he meant it to be placeholder art, his intentions were not clear until now. It's okay to take existing ides, but you really want to build and improve on them rather than rehash the same old, which is why I pointed out innovation. What can we do with the 'flying balloon' concept that really pushes it and makes people think about / see it in a different way? What kinds of things do we want to show - 'Fedora is rising above the rest', 'Fedora is floating up to the heavens', 'Fedora is a fun ride' (kind of what the example with the penguin shows) - these are all concepts with very different connotations and it's still not clear to me what we're trying to represent here. If you want to play on the colors in the colorful balloon, then it takes on a whole other spin - something that's more about many colors than flying. >> As to the pictures in flying high, they were saved from the web to >> simply present the concept. My thought is original sketches would be >> better candidates for the final. > > I, myself, was curious about the photos because the vibrant colors and > shapes inspired a couple visual directions I would like to explore. It > would, therefore, have be convenient if there was free collection I > could experiment with. There are plenty of cheap stock art photo collections out there if you would like to experiment with this and submit some revisions. They would be welcome. But as the submission guidelines say for round 1 even pencil sketches, which would not necessitate photos, are fine. > There could be several different approaches to > the theme...some might fail and some might succeed far beyond what was > originally suggested...and _that's_ what I am excited to see in Round > two. Original sketches could very well be the better choice. Why wait until round 2.... why not *do* something? The concept and figuring out what we want to do with it ('the approach') is supposed to be the point of round 1. Round 2 should be more focused on the rendering. >> I also agree Fedora should equal innovation and innovation is a great >> concept for a theme but I am unsure how to present it. > > I think you've done a great job with your emails to the fedora-art-list, > in addition the postings on your proposal page. It shows us the idea > you have in mind, some variations of possible exploration within the > theme, and good starting points to inspire others in contributing to > this theme...not to mention the many ways it could potentially evolve. Thanks John for submitting a proposal and getting us talking through these ideas. Hopefully others will step up and contribute to it further. ~m From sdl.web at gmail.com Fri Nov 24 15:00:39 2006 From: sdl.web at gmail.com (Leo) Date: Fri, 24 Nov 2006 15:00:39 +0000 Subject: New Fedora Theme (GTK2+Metacity) (Download, Fixed index.theme) References: <20061118133825.602aab61@hydra.cimi.homelinux.net> Message-ID: Dear Andrea, On Saturday, 18 Nov 2006, Andrea Cimitan wrote: > Here it is... > Requires "Murrine Gtk2 Engine" version 0.31 otherwise you will have no > gtk2 look. > Please use with the added metacity. > > Notes: > Under development... It's just a simple theme to see Murrine > capabilities... > To customize the look you can do in two ways: > 1)Install Murrine configurator and edit with the GUI (recommended): > http://cimi.netsons.org/pages/murrine/configurator.php > 2)If you want less roundness edit gtkrc of the theme and set roundness > to 3 (clearlooks roundness) or 0,1 to a squared one. > set glazestyle = 1 for a "curved" hilight on glaze instead flat ones. > > See attachments for the archive. > > Best Regards > -- > Cimi - Andrea Cimitan > http://cimi.netsons.org Thank you very much for providing this theme. Would you clarify these questions so that the discussion might be continued? - Are you willing to work on improving this theme according to the feedback from list users? - Or, would you like someone else to work on this as a starting point with your technical support? Thanks again for your support of Fedora. -- Leo sdl Dot web AT gmail DOT com From jjmasek at gmail.com Fri Nov 24 15:07:30 2006 From: jjmasek at gmail.com (Jiri Jakub Masek) Date: Fri, 24 Nov 2006 16:07:30 +0100 Subject: [FC7 theme proposal] Flying High with Fedora 7 - Round 1 In-Reply-To: <4565FE23.10808@redhat.com> References: <20061122170005.B8E1973926@hormel.redhat.com> <1164235553.4650.43.camel@baerj-desktop> <4565F833.9050402@redhat.com> <4565FE23.10808@redhat.com> Message-ID: Hi, I designed anythig, look at my web http://jjm.xf.cz JJM 2006/11/23, M?ir?n Duffy : > > Diana Fong wrote: > > John Baer wrote: > >> The Flying High with Fedora was just an idea which I thought could > >> represent the level of achievement Fedora has obtained. It is hard to > >> argue the hot air balloon theme may have been used before but I thought > >> it offered an opportunity try new new colors, new shapes. Maybe more > 3d? > > > Hot air balloons have been used somewhere, sometime, by somebody. The > > same could be said for many ideas...even the desktop. > > You are missing the point entirely. > > I as well as other people have seen that very same balloon image (the > blue one) before - I had seen it as a GDM theme on art.gnome.org. > Obviously it's OK to take a base concept and run with it (studio 3D > animated movies seem to do this rather ridiculously - right now it's all > about penguins, we have Happy Feet and that penguin surfing one coming > out. A while ago there was 'A Bug's Life' and 'Ants'.) But what is the > point if you can't do something new and interesting with it (slapping a > Fedora logo on a balloon != new and interesting IMHO)? We don't want to > appear like we're a follower in the way these 3-D animation studios seem > to follow each other. We want to be a leader. That's all my point was. > > John's intention wrt using the images was not clear until he explained > before in his last message that the artwork he used was meant to be > placeholder art. I made it quite explicit in the theme submission > guidelines that you may use artwork that someone else did *as long as > you got their permission*. As he did not follow that guideline and > instead chose to use placeholder art without making it clear he meant it > to be placeholder art, his intentions were not clear until now. > > It's okay to take existing ides, but you really want to build and > improve on them rather than rehash the same old, which is why I pointed > out innovation. What can we do with the 'flying balloon' concept that > really pushes it and makes people think about / see it in a different > way? What kinds of things do we want to show - 'Fedora is rising above > the rest', 'Fedora is floating up to the heavens', 'Fedora is a fun > ride' (kind of what the example with the penguin shows) - these are all > concepts with very different connotations and it's still not clear to me > what we're trying to represent here. If you want to play on the colors > in the colorful balloon, then it takes on a whole other spin - something > that's more about many colors than flying. > > >> As to the pictures in flying high, they were saved from the web to > >> simply present the concept. My thought is original sketches would be > >> better candidates for the final. > > > > I, myself, was curious about the photos because the vibrant colors and > > shapes inspired a couple visual directions I would like to explore. It > > would, therefore, have be convenient if there was free collection I > > could experiment with. > > There are plenty of cheap stock art photo collections out there if you > would like to experiment with this and submit some revisions. They would > be welcome. But as the submission guidelines say for round 1 even pencil > sketches, which would not necessitate photos, are fine. > > > There could be several different approaches to > > the theme...some might fail and some might succeed far beyond what was > > originally suggested...and _that's_ what I am excited to see in Round > > two. Original sketches could very well be the better choice. > > Why wait until round 2.... why not *do* something? The concept and > figuring out what we want to do with it ('the approach') is supposed to > be the point of round 1. Round 2 should be more focused on the rendering. > > >> I also agree Fedora should equal innovation and innovation is a great > >> concept for a theme but I am unsure how to present it. > > > > I think you've done a great job with your emails to the fedora-art-list, > > in addition the postings on your proposal page. It shows us the idea > > you have in mind, some variations of possible exploration within the > > theme, and good starting points to inspire others in contributing to > > this theme...not to mention the many ways it could potentially evolve. > > Thanks John for submitting a proposal and getting us talking through > these ideas. Hopefully others will step up and contribute to it further. > > ~m > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list > -- I'm still learning English... Ji?? Jakub Ma?ek - Mr Jiri Jakub Masek Czech Republic, European Union -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From baerjj at gmail.com Fri Nov 24 19:26:29 2006 From: baerjj at gmail.com (John Baer) Date: Fri, 24 Nov 2006 14:26:29 -0500 Subject: [FC7 theme proposal] Fedora Dreams - Round 1 Message-ID: <1164396389.23552.8.camel@baerj-desktop> All, I sensed folks were looking for a different concept than presented with the Flying High theme. I believe all will agree Fedora Dreams is different. Although the images are not consistent the theme is "Dreams" and dreams can be many things. What I like about this theme is the images are built using 3-D software (bryce & 3d studio). This would further extend the track we started with FC6. Unfortunately, I am not skilled in these packages but I am sure we can find help. Cheers, John http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fc7ThemeProposalFedoraDreams From baerjj at gmail.com Sat Nov 25 14:08:34 2006 From: baerjj at gmail.com (John Baer) Date: Sat, 25 Nov 2006 09:08:34 -0500 Subject: [FC7 theme proposal] Fedora Dreams - Round 1 Message-ID: <1164463714.7608.16.camel@baerj-desktop> All, I added a few more images to the Fedora Dreams poc. What I like about this concept is the blending of surreal images and the glass touches. Another theme I considered but someone else may present is the "world of fedora". The images I was considering would celebrate the diversity of the fedora user community. >From my point of view the purpose of all this is to explore if there are new and better way to present fedora. That said here is my critique of the images. Wallpaper - I like it but I wouldn't use it. I know someone can help with this one. Anaconda screens - I like the first and last the best. Boot screen - I really like the glassy progress bar. Login screen - I like the "fedora crane's" the best. Cheers, John From dimitris at glezos.com Sun Nov 26 02:13:32 2006 From: dimitris at glezos.com (Dimitris Glezos) Date: Sun, 26 Nov 2006 02:13:32 +0000 Subject: Copyright notice on anaconda splash image Message-ID: <4568F84C.4030709@glezos.com> A Q that came in mind in the past and again with John's (really nice) theme proposals. Why do we have the Copyright text on the left side of the Anaconda splash image? I understand the purpose of it, but it clearly distracts the focus from the splash image and I feel that it's not the best place for a copyright notice. I think the relevant section on our website (/Legal) is sufficient for those parties interested about the legal issues (99.9% of the users don't). If we really want to give credits for the graphics on the screens (which I don't think we should), it would probably be better to say something like "Graphics courtesy of the Fedora Artwork Project". Of course, there is no need to say how much I appreciate the work many Red Hat folks are doing on the graphics side; our artwork is one of the best out there and the help from these folks is tremendous. -d -- Dimitris Glezos Jabber ID: glezos at jabber.org, GPG: 0xA5A04C3B http://dimitris.glezos.com/ "He who gives up functionality for ease of use loses both and deserves neither." (Anonymous) -- From stickster at gmail.com Sun Nov 26 18:37:22 2006 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Sun, 26 Nov 2006 18:37:22 +0000 Subject: Copyright notice on anaconda splash image In-Reply-To: <4568F84C.4030709@glezos.com> References: <4568F84C.4030709@glezos.com> Message-ID: <1164566242.26160.21.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Sun, 2006-11-26 at 02:13 +0000, Dimitris Glezos wrote: > A Q that came in mind in the past and again with John's (really nice) theme > proposals. Why do we have the Copyright text on the left side of the Anaconda > splash image? It's not a matter of credit, but rather long-standing copyright and trademark usage standards, possibly US-specific but I've seen it done similarly in the UK and Germany. It's common practice to state copyrights and trademark ownership in proximity to their initial usage or presentation to a user. For comparison, I find such notices stating copyright and trademark ownership on the bottom of my IBM laptop, and a Dell keyboard I just picked up off my desk. We shouldn't remove this notice, especially on the opening screen for the installer. Good question though! -- Paul W. Frields, RHCE http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 Fedora Project Board: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Board Fedora Docs Project: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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The car of my/your dreams? > Anaconda screens - I like the first and last the best. I like those. > Boot screen - I really like the glassy progress bar. Another one hard to get. You would not want to know what I thought it is at the first look :D The progress bar, glassy or not, is drawn by GTK, so best is to have it use the same GTK theme as the desktop. > Login screen - I like the "fedora crane's" the best. I like the second one but absolutely hate the first (the space ship), it looks very amateurish. Is there a source for such high quality 3D images with a license suitable for our usage? If not, I think is unrealistic to expect our project to produce such graphics in due time for the next release. It would be easier to use photos (maybe with digital enhancements) to reach the same feeling. -- nicu Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From duffy at redhat.com Mon Nov 27 15:01:06 2006 From: duffy at redhat.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?M=E1ir=EDn_Duffy?=) Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2006 10:01:06 -0500 Subject: [FC7 theme proposal] Fedora Dreams - Round 1 In-Reply-To: <456ADB42.8030100@nicubunu.ro> References: <1164463714.7608.16.camel@baerj-desktop> <456ADB42.8030100@nicubunu.ro> Message-ID: <456AFDB2.803@redhat.com> Nicu Buculei wrote: > Call me obtuse and old fashioned, but I really don't like that the > graphics are made with Bryce or 3D Studio. I think those graphics should > show the power of Fedora and have to be made 100% with Fedora (I expect > big opposition to this from the Photoshop camp) +1 Blender, Inkscape, and Gimp!! >> Boot screen - I really like the glassy progress bar. > > Another one hard to get. You would not want to know what I thought it is > at the first look :D Um, I think I was thinking what you were thinking... o_O > Is there a source for such high quality 3D images with a license > suitable for our usage? If not, I think is unrealistic to expect our > project to produce such graphics in due time for the next release. > It would be easier to use photos (maybe with digital enhancements) to > reach the same feeling. +1 ~m From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Mon Nov 27 15:16:01 2006 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2006 17:16:01 +0200 Subject: [FC7 theme proposal] Fedora Dreams - Round 1 In-Reply-To: <456AFDB2.803@redhat.com> References: <1164463714.7608.16.camel@baerj-desktop> <456ADB42.8030100@nicubunu.ro> <456AFDB2.803@redhat.com> Message-ID: <456B0131.7070402@nicubunu.ro> M?ir?n Duffy wrote: > Nicu Buculei wrote: >> Call me obtuse and old fashioned, but I really don't like that the >> graphics are made with Bryce or 3D Studio. I think those graphics >> should show the power of Fedora and have to be made 100% with Fedora >> (I expect big opposition to this from the Photoshop camp) > > +1 > > Blender, Inkscape, and Gimp!! And Krita, XaraXtreme, Skencil, Fyre and whatever else I forgot at this moment. There are plenty of options in Extras. -- nicu Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From n.losito at yahoo.it Mon Nov 27 15:33:59 2006 From: n.losito at yahoo.it (Nicola Losito) Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2006 16:33:59 +0100 Subject: Fedora Dreams - Round 1 In-Reply-To: <456ADB42.8030100@nicubunu.ro> References: <1164463714.7608.16.camel@baerj-desktop> <456ADB42.8030100@nicubunu.ro> Message-ID: Il giorno 27/nov/06, alle ore 13:34, Nicu Buculei ha scritto: > Call me obtuse and old fashioned, but I really don't like that the > graphics are made with Bryce or 3D Studio. I think those graphics > should show the power of Fedora and have to be made 100% with > Fedora (I expect big opposition to this from the Photoshop camp) If my words are worth of being read then I have to say that as long the artwork submitted / created FOR fedora comes in free, standard formats they are all welcome. If one can use Photoshop and then gives us some nice artwork ok, if it's valid we will accept it and then try the contributor to try again working with FREE Software, i think we have to be as friendly as possible and then "take to dark side" the young jedis :-D -- Nicola .:kOoLiNuS:. Losito http://koolinus.wordpress.com ITA => http://www.koolinus.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Maybe we should start a page on the wiki where the 'Dark Jedis' post their expertise so folks know who to ask for help in conversion! :) ~m From n.losito at yahoo.it Mon Nov 27 16:12:35 2006 From: n.losito at yahoo.it (Nicola Losito) Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2006 17:12:35 +0100 Subject: Fedora Dreams - Round 1 In-Reply-To: <456B0626.5030804@redhat.com> References: <1164463714.7608.16.camel@baerj-desktop> <456ADB42.8030100@nicubunu.ro> <456B0626.5030804@redhat.com> Message-ID: <0C197199-7137-449F-BCBE-24CDB790318C@yahoo.it> Il giorno 27/nov/06, alle ore 16:37, M?ir?n Duffy ha scritto: > Maybe we should start a page on the wiki where the 'Dark Jedis' > post their expertise so folks know who to ask for help in > conversion! :) Or begin a series pf post in the various blog with images which illustrates how to do it! Something like this, maybe: http://www.libertymeadows.com/images/DRAWBRANDY.jpg ;-) -- Nicola .:kOoLiNuS:. 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[1] The Copyright text would probably not be replace with "Graphics courtesy of the Fedora Artwork Project," but this could be a good place if you'd like to suggest additional considerations in Copyright text. I will be using the finalize text from this bug report in the next release. [1] https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=216832 Diana --- Red Hat Visual Designer | Desktop Group From baerjj at gmail.com Mon Nov 27 17:56:38 2006 From: baerjj at gmail.com (John Baer) Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2006 12:56:38 -0500 Subject: Thinking ahead to round 2 Message-ID: <484ace5d0611270956k543b63cfy3f796cda121ee24@mail.gmail.com> All, As December 4th approaches I have some thoughts on round 2 of the Fedora Core 7 Theme process. * I am assuming the result of round 1 will be a decision on the theme and I am expecting most or all of the artwork will need to be created. With this in mind I suggest every art design that needs to be created have it's own wiki page to hold the submissions of round 2. For example, an art design category could be wallpaper. Another could be the grub boot splash. I would place the current image on the page as a reference and to remind submitters of the status quo. I would also place any design comments that may be appropriate such as the size or color restrictions. I would also include a wiki page for the CD/DVD and cover. With this infrastructure in place art members may submit candidates for round 2. This would also let everyone know where we need to focus our efforts. As an example if the grub splash wiki is lacking candidates then a plea can be made to the group for help. If new members arrive this should make it easy for them to join the effort. In addition, I would note the images from the proof of concept may or may not be apart of round 2. I envision the result of all of this to be a set of images for each image category. The final images would come from this group with any last minute tweaking. If this approach is reasonable and agreeable I would ask Diana (?) to prepare the wiki pages with the current images and any other submission detail we may need. Last thought, if there are any changes coming as a result of the Fedora summit perhaps a master/title wiki page would be appropriate stating the changes. {I heard a rumor the word "core" was being dropped?) Comments relative to the theme could be placed here as well. Cheers, John -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Round 3 might be a decision point. > With this in mind I suggest every art design that needs to be created have > it's own wiki page to hold the submissions of round 2. Good idea; I'll start a new page for round 2. > For example, an art design category could be wallpaper. > > Another could be the grub boot splash. Probably hold off on that level of granularity until round 3 I think. > I would place the current image on the page as a reference and to remind > submitters of the status quo. I would also place any design comments that > may be appropriate such as the size or color restrictions. > > I would also include a wiki page for the CD/DVD and cover. Some other things to consider - the default firefox home page graphics (banner), default apache page when you set up apache on fedora, maybe some little buttons/banners folks could use on their websites, banner for the front page of fedoraproject.org.... hehe i could go on. Maybe have one split - artwork for OS and supporting artwork for marketing/etc materials. > With this infrastructure in place art members may submit candidates for > round 2. This would also let everyone know where we need to focus our > efforts. As an example if the grub splash wiki is lacking candidates then a > plea can be made to the group for help. If new members arrive this should > make it easy for them to join the effort. > > In addition, I would note the images from the proof of concept may or may > not be apart of round 2. > > I envision the result of all of this to be a set of images for each image > category. The final images would come from this group with any last minute > tweaking. > > If this approach is reasonable and agreeable I would ask Diana (?) to > prepare the wiki pages with the current images and any other submission > detail we may need. I can do this. Thanks. > Last thought, if there are any changes coming as a result of the Fedora > summit perhaps a master/title wiki page would be appropriate stating the > changes. {I heard a rumor the word "core" was being dropped?) Comments > relative to the theme could be placed here as well. It is - great point! ~m From baerjj at gmail.com Tue Nov 28 01:42:27 2006 From: baerjj at gmail.com (John Baer) Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2006 20:42:27 -0500 Subject: [FC7 theme proposal] Fedora Dreams - Round 1 In-Reply-To: <20061127165522.C8710739F5@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20061127165522.C8710739F5@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1164678147.5348.3.camel@baerj-desktop> On Mon, 2006-11-27 at 11:55 -0500, fedora-art-list-request at redhat.com wrote: > Nicu Buculei wrote: > > Call me obtuse and old fashioned, but I really don't like that the > > graphics are made with Bryce or 3D Studio. I think those graphics > should > > show the power of Fedora and have to be made 100% with Fedora (I > expect > > big opposition to this from the Photoshop camp) > > +1 > > Blender, Inkscape, and Gimp!! I am in full agreement with this! Thanks for the feedback! John From baerjj at gmail.com Tue Nov 28 13:11:18 2006 From: baerjj at gmail.com (John Baer) Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2006 08:11:18 -0500 Subject: [FC7 theme proposal] Flying High with Fedora 7 - Round 1 Message-ID: <484ace5d0611280511u51f66dcfnc26438b4b1a47cb3@mail.gmail.com> All, JJM submitted a wallpaper for the Flying High POC Theme. I posted it to the wiki for your consideration. Well done and thank you! John -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Tue Nov 28 13:19:11 2006 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2006 15:19:11 +0200 Subject: [FC7 theme proposal] Flying High with Fedora 7 - Round 1 In-Reply-To: <484ace5d0611280511u51f66dcfnc26438b4b1a47cb3@mail.gmail.com> References: <484ace5d0611280511u51f66dcfnc26438b4b1a47cb3@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <456C374F.6040907@nicubunu.ro> John Baer wrote: > > JJM submitted a wallpaper for the Flying High POC Theme. I posted it to > the wiki for your consideration. Have you ensured JJM signed the CLA before posting his contribution? I tried in the past to persuade JJM to make an wiki account for himself. Otherwise, nice Tangram! -- nicu Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From sdl.web at gmail.com Tue Nov 28 17:39:03 2006 From: sdl.web at gmail.com (Leo) Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2006 17:39:03 +0000 Subject: Icon Theme Message-ID: Hi there, The Tango project has become the one true style guide for free software theming. A few heavy weight apps such as gnome, inkscape, gimp and openoffice.org are or will be using tango style icons. The project's developers are of high profile and the quality of the icons is without doubt the best. I followed a few Tango_Fridays? in irc #tango and was much impressed. As you can see in Tango_Fridays?, more and more upstream apps will be adopting their icons. Today I visited the EchoDevelopment? after a few months, my feeling was not good. But my biggest concerns is that although Echo is using tango naming specs, its style (perspective, color palette etc) is different. This will put Fedora in a situation as Bluecurve does - inconsistency across the desktop. Inconsistency will definitely compromise usability. So what's the way out? Changing Echo to fit into the universe of tango style icons? Put Echo on hold and use tango for Fedora 7? Please comment. Thank you! Footnotes: ? http://tango.freedesktop.org/Tango_Fridays ? http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/EchoDevelopment?highlight=%28echo%29 -- Leo From mola at c100c.com Tue Nov 28 18:56:15 2006 From: mola at c100c.com (mola pahnadayan) Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2006 22:26:15 +0330 Subject: planet propose for FC7 Message-ID: <1164740175.12642.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> hi :) -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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The real problem I have with Tango is it ties the hands of the artists to this one style and then the proponents go around saying "shame on you for doing something different, this is the style the whole community has chosen" which is in fact not the case. KDE for instance has their Oxygen style which IMHO allows a bit more artistic license. > I followed a few Tango_Fridays? in irc > #tango and was much impressed. As you can see in Tango_Fridays?, more > and more upstream apps will be adopting their icons. This is a better argument for going with Tango but not completely compelling. > Today I visited the EchoDevelopment? after a few months, my feeling > was not good. But my biggest concerns is that although Echo is using > tango naming specs, its style (perspective, color palette etc) is > different. This will put Fedora in a situation as Bluecurve does - > inconsistency across the desktop. Inconsistency will definitely > compromise usability. Echo isn't done yet. I think it is too early to tell. This argument is like saying hey, lets not try anything new and just accept whatever people throw us. If in the end Tango turns out the way to go I'm not ruling it out but I like the direction Echo has taken and perhaps there will be ways to meld the two. > So what's the way out? Changing Echo to fit into the universe of tango > style icons? Put Echo on hold and use tango for Fedora 7? Please > comment. Standards for standards sake is not the way to go. I think we move forward and see where things fall. If there is a team who wants to experiment with making Echo fit with Tango that is cool. If there is a team that wants to experiment with theming Tango to feel for Fedoraish that is cool too. Personally I think we should have had competing styles from the get go. Free markets and all. -- John (J5) Palmieri From nicolas.mailhot at laposte.net Tue Nov 28 19:19:49 2006 From: nicolas.mailhot at laposte.net (Nicolas Mailhot) Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2006 20:19:49 +0100 Subject: planet propose for FC7 In-Reply-To: <1164740175.12642.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1164740175.12642.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1164741594.22549.17.camel@rousalka.dyndns.org> Le mardi 28 novembre 2006 ? 22:26 +0330, mola pahnadayan a ?crit : > hi :) Nice. Maybe having the nebula/clouds form the f with higher density dust instead of stamping it on the planet would be more natural -- Nicolas Mailhot -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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It is just so gloomy. -- John (J5) Palmieri From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Tue Nov 28 19:28:06 2006 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2006 00:58:06 +0530 Subject: planet propose for FC7 In-Reply-To: <1164740175.12642.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1164740175.12642.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <456C8DC6.90809@fedoraproject.org> mola pahnadayan wrote: > hi :) > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > This is pretty appealing but drop the black at the ends and the text. Text in images is bad for a good localized desktop. Rahul From duffy at redhat.com Tue Nov 28 19:54:55 2006 From: duffy at redhat.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?M=E1ir=EDn_Duffy?=) Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2006 14:54:55 -0500 Subject: planet propose for FC7 In-Reply-To: <1164740175.12642.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1164740175.12642.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <456C940F.8070802@redhat.com> mola pahnadayan wrote: > hi :) 1) Why a planet? I am not a fan of taking object x and slapping the Fedora logo on it with no rationale but there seems to be a lot of that going on lately. :-/ 2) It's very dark. We tend to get complaints about that. :-/ 3) I love the spacedust effect, it looks very cool. How would this look with just the space dust applied to a lighter flat background or gradient (try #3c6eb4 or #294172). I think it would make a great background without the planet or logo, or at least a simple logo tucked in the corner. ~m From dimitris at glezos.com Wed Nov 29 01:58:33 2006 From: dimitris at glezos.com (Dimitris Glezos) Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2006 01:58:33 +0000 Subject: Tweaking the design of the wiki In-Reply-To: <200611220915.13581.nman64@n-man.com> References: <456108D5.2080807@glezos.com> <4562FEFD.2070005@glezos.com> <45630EDA.6020206@redhat.com> <200611220915.13581.nman64@n-man.com> Message-ID: <456CE949.9030109@glezos.com> O/H Patrick W. Barnes ??????: > On Tuesday 21 November 2006 08:36, M?ir?n Duffy wrote: >> For what it's worth, I think these proposed modifications look fabulous! >> It's very clean and makes the level of hierarchy each piece of >> information is in on the page much more clearer. Since most of the comments were positive, I went on and produced a CSS that overrides the default theme values. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DimitrisGlezos/WikiDesignTuning/CSS?action=raw To test it, go to `UserPreferences` and put the above in the "User CSS URL" box. > My one suggestion would be to keep the original default font size. I've not > heard any complaints about the font size in the past, and increasing it could > break some of the less-proper design elements used in the wiki and wouldn't > allow as much information to fit on any given screen. The font size is very small and should be increased, this is the conscious I got from some people. Even if it means we will have less content on a page. The content on the page is already more than what it should be: the paragraphs are very wide in high resolutions and the text is very small (there is a certain ratio of letters per row that makes a paragraph more readable but even the newer font size exceeds that). Although we should really use something close to 1em and let the user choose the zooming, the current proposal (0.85em) is relatively small to fit a lot of text in the page. For reference, one could check out the mozilla, gnome and ubuntu wikis. >> One additional thing I would suggest - if you can do it and think it is >> a good idea - is to add a spot in the right nav on the wiki for little >> banners to advertise Fedora subprojects and events, etc. This is >> something we had talked about on the marketing list I think a long time >> ago - http://people.redhat.com/duffy/misc/fedoramentor-banner.png >> (although might be better on the top). > > Design elements like that require alterations to the Python part of the theme. > That's something that we're reluctant to play with too much. If someone > really wanted to take the time to produce such elements that could then be > further edited without playing with the Python code, more power to them. > > Something else to be aware of is that we still plan on upgrading the wiki > soon, which would mean forward-porting theme changes. It might be easier to > wait until after the upgrade to apply changes. When is the update scheduled? If we do need to tweak the code to make the wiki more usable, we should. Of course, we should do it in a way that we can apply it for every update. We might need some more changes, like putting a
around the table of contents to manipulate it through CSS. -d -- Dimitris Glezos Jabber ID: glezos at jabber.org, GPG: 0xA5A04C3B http://dimitris.glezos.com/ "He who gives up functionality for ease of use loses both and deserves neither." (Anonymous) -- From dimitris at glezos.com Wed Nov 29 02:02:45 2006 From: dimitris at glezos.com (Dimitris Glezos) Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2006 02:02:45 +0000 Subject: Tweaking the design of the wiki In-Reply-To: <456CE949.9030109@glezos.com> References: <456108D5.2080807@glezos.com> <4562FEFD.2070005@glezos.com> <45630EDA.6020206@redhat.com> <200611220915.13581.nman64@n-man.com> <456CE949.9030109@glezos.com> Message-ID: <456CEA45.5050505@glezos.com> O/H Dimitris Glezos ??????: > O/H Patrick W. Barnes ??????: >> On Tuesday 21 November 2006 08:36, M?ir?n Duffy wrote: >>> For what it's worth, I think these proposed modifications look fabulous! >>> It's very clean and makes the level of hierarchy each piece of >>> information is in on the page much more clearer. > > Since most of the comments were positive, I went on and produced a CSS that > overrides the default theme values. > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DimitrisGlezos/WikiDesignTuning/CSS?action=raw > > To test it, go to `UserPreferences` and put the above in the "User CSS URL" box. Don't know why, but the above URL doesn't always work. If you don't see any difference, use the following URL: http://dimitris.glezos.com/box/foss/fedora/custom.css Sorry for the second email. -d -- Dimitris Glezos Jabber ID: glezos at jabber.org, GPG: 0xA5A04C3B http://dimitris.glezos.com/ "He who gives up functionality for ease of use loses both and deserves neither." (Anonymous) -- From jjmasek at gmail.com Wed Nov 29 07:47:21 2006 From: jjmasek at gmail.com (Jiri Jakub Masek) Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2006 08:47:21 +0100 Subject: [FC7 theme proposal] Flying High with Fedora 7 - Round 1 In-Reply-To: <456C374F.6040907@nicubunu.ro> References: <484ace5d0611280511u51f66dcfnc26438b4b1a47cb3@mail.gmail.com> <456C374F.6040907@nicubunu.ro> Message-ID: Hi, I didn't sign the CLA, I don't understand all of this process, so I'm unsure to do it correct. Maybe it's the right time to learn more about the CLA, I'll try it. JJM 2006/11/28, Nicu Buculei : > > John Baer wrote: > > > > JJM submitted a wallpaper for the Flying High POC Theme. I posted it to > > the wiki for your consideration. > > Have you ensured JJM signed the CLA before posting his contribution? I > tried in the past to persuade JJM to make an wiki account for himself. > Otherwise, nice Tangram! > > -- > nicu > Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ > Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org > my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list > -- I'm still learning English... Ji?? Jakub Ma?ek - Mr Jiri Jakub Masek Czech Republic, European Union -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Read this to learn what the CLA is and why Fedora ask contributors to sign it: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Legal/Licenses/CLA If you agree with it, for the actual steps of signing you can ask for help. -- nicu Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Wed Nov 29 08:20:04 2006 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2006 10:20:04 +0200 Subject: planet propose for FC7 In-Reply-To: <456C940F.8070802@redhat.com> References: <1164740175.12642.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> <456C940F.8070802@redhat.com> Message-ID: <456D42B4.2050702@nicubunu.ro> M?ir?n Duffy wrote: > 2) It's very dark. We tend to get complaints about that. :-/ Maybe this is our opportunity to provide two backgrounds, a light and a dark one? (I said it before, I like dark) > 3) I love the spacedust effect, it looks very cool. How would this look > with just the space dust applied to a lighter flat background or > gradient (try #3c6eb4 or #294172). I think it would make a great > background without the planet or logo, or at least a simple logo tucked > in the corner. I also like the spacedust effect (and find it somewhat related to your "Borealis") but hate the planet and its rings. -- nicu Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From ml at deadbabylon.de Wed Nov 29 10:23:46 2006 From: ml at deadbabylon.de (Sebastian Vahl) Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2006 11:23:46 +0100 Subject: FedoraDNA wallpaper in moodin-kde-splash? Message-ID: <200611291123.46114.ml@deadbabylon.de> Hi. I've made a really simple splash theme for the moodin engine for kde. [1] and would like to post this on kde-look.org. But I'm not sure if I am allowed to do so because the "fedora-logos"-rpm is under the copyright of Red Hat Inc. The files 1-8.png from the tarball are from the bottom of the background and slightly lightened. Preview: http://www.deadbabylon.de/files/Preview.png Tarball: http://www.deadbabylon.de/files/FedoraDNA.tar.gz So I would like to ask this question on this list. Sebastian Vahl [1] http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=25705 From jjmasek at gmail.com Wed Nov 29 10:29:27 2006 From: jjmasek at gmail.com (Jiri Jakub Masek) Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2006 11:29:27 +0100 Subject: [FC7 theme proposal] Flying High with Fedora 7 - Round 1 In-Reply-To: <456D3F8C.8020003@nicubunu.ro> References: <484ace5d0611280511u51f66dcfnc26438b4b1a47cb3@mail.gmail.com> <456C374F.6040907@nicubunu.ro> <456D3F8C.8020003@nicubunu.ro> Message-ID: Hi Nicu, sorry, but I need help: In process of generating the GPG key I did mistake, generated 2 keys, now , one of them should be deleted, I don't know how... JJM 2006/11/29, Nicu Buculei : > > Jiri Jakub Masek wrote: > > Hi, I didn't sign the CLA, I don't understand all of this process, so > > I'm unsure to do it correct. Maybe it's the right time to learn more > > about the CLA, I'll try it. > > Read this to learn what the CLA is and why Fedora ask contributors to > sign it: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Legal/Licenses/CLA > > If you agree with it, for the actual steps of signing you can ask for > help. > > -- > nicu > Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ > Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org > my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list > -- I'm still learning English... Ji?? Jakub Ma?ek - Mr Jiri Jakub Masek Czech Republic, European Union -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Either delete it manually from /~.gnupg or use the Seahorse application -- nicu Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From chitlesh at fedoraproject.org Wed Nov 29 11:04:54 2006 From: chitlesh at fedoraproject.org (Chitlesh GOORAH) Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2006 12:04:54 +0100 Subject: FedoraDNA wallpaper in moodin-kde-splash? In-Reply-To: <200611291123.46114.ml@deadbabylon.de> References: <200611291123.46114.ml@deadbabylon.de> Message-ID: <13dbfe4f0611290304j1ff01c13mf49dfc2556d2052a@mail.gmail.com> On 11/29/06, Sebastian Vahl < hidden> wrote: > Hi. > I've made a really simple splash theme for the moodin engine for kde. [1] and > would like to post this on kde-look.org. But I'm not sure if I am allowed to > do so because the "fedora-logos"-rpm is under the copyright of Red Hat Inc. > The files 1-8.png from the tarball are from the bottom of the background and > slightly lightened. > > Preview: http://www.deadbabylon.de/files/Preview.png > Tarball: http://www.deadbabylon.de/files/FedoraDNA.tar.gz > > So I would like to ask this question on this list. Great, I would like to see it in Fedora Extras:) Trasher was building moodin's rpm. http://odysseus.x-tnd.be/fedora/moodin/ I'll ping him again to push it to FE :) chitlesh -- http://clunixchit.blogspot.com From thomas.canniot at laposte.net Wed Nov 29 11:59:06 2006 From: thomas.canniot at laposte.net (Thomas Canniot) Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2006 12:59:06 +0100 Subject: FedoraDNA wallpaper in moodin-kde-splash? In-Reply-To: <13dbfe4f0611290304j1ff01c13mf49dfc2556d2052a@mail.gmail.com> References: <200611291123.46114.ml@deadbabylon.de> <13dbfe4f0611290304j1ff01c13mf49dfc2556d2052a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1164801546.3217.0.camel@fluffy.mrtomlinux> Le mercredi 29 novembre 2006 ? 12:04 +0100, Chitlesh GOORAH a ?crit : > On 11/29/06, Sebastian Vahl < hidden> wrote: > > Hi. > > I've made a really simple splash theme for the moodin engine for kde. [1] and > > would like to post this on kde-look.org. But I'm not sure if I am allowed to > > do so because the "fedora-logos"-rpm is under the copyright of Red Hat Inc. > > The files 1-8.png from the tarball are from the bottom of the background and > > slightly lightened. > > > > Preview: http://www.deadbabylon.de/files/Preview.png > > Tarball: http://www.deadbabylon.de/files/FedoraDNA.tar.gz > > > > So I would like to ask this question on this list. > > Great, I would like to see it in Fedora Extras:) > Trasher was building moodin's rpm. > http://odysseus.x-tnd.be/fedora/moodin/ > > I'll ping him again to push it to FE :) > > chitlesh Let's call trasher Johan Cwiklinski :) -- Thomas Canniot http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ThomasCanniot From sdl.web at gmail.com Wed Nov 29 13:17:22 2006 From: sdl.web at gmail.com (Leo) Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2006 13:17:22 +0000 Subject: Icon Theme References: Message-ID: Hi all, >From various replies, I notice people are focusing on the fact that Echo is not finished and we should wait and see. There is possibility that miracle can happen and we all want Fedora to have a popular yet unique look. However, could you try to estimate how much time we need to get it ready for Fedora 7 based on the number of people working on it? I quite doubt Echo can make it within Fedora 7 time frame. As pointed out by David, inconsistency are one of the major issues. Usability experts, could you point out what needs to improve in Echo? Look at the current set of icons, try to use it on your desktop?. My experience seems to tell me, they are not as easy on the eyes as Bluecurve or Tango. Designing icons without palette and guidelines would work well when there is only one contributor. We should set at least some very basic guidelines if we expect all contributed icons to roughly have the same level of quality and fit well together. Tango being a freedesktop project detached from any distributions will be adopted by all upstream developers sooner or later not to mention there are already quite a few software websites using tango icons. Designing Echo without a mind to make it compatible with Tango, we are risking ourselves to have an inconsistent look the day Echo is out. And it would requires so much more work on designing icons for big apps such as OOo etc if we do care to deliver a consistent desktop look. If people could look objectively at the current status of Echo, and make a doable plan for Fedora 7, I think that would be best. Footnotes: ? yum --enablerepo=development install echo-icon-theme -- Leo From duffy at redhat.com Wed Nov 29 14:49:28 2006 From: duffy at redhat.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?M=E1ir=EDn_Duffy?=) Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2006 09:49:28 -0500 Subject: planet propose for FC7 In-Reply-To: <456D42B4.2050702@nicubunu.ro> References: <1164740175.12642.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> <456C940F.8070802@redhat.com> <456D42B4.2050702@nicubunu.ro> Message-ID: <456D9DF8.5020204@redhat.com> Nicu Buculei wrote: > M?ir?n Duffy wrote: >> 3) I love the spacedust effect, it looks very cool. How would this >> look with just the space dust applied to a lighter flat background or >> gradient (try #3c6eb4 or #294172). I think it would make a great >> background without the planet or logo, or at least a simple logo >> tucked in the corner. > > I also like the spacedust effect (and find it somewhat related to your > "Borealis") but hate the planet and its rings. Hey Mola, is there any way you could export the space dust effect? I could try adding it to some of the Borealis mocks to see how it looks, I think Nicu might be onto something. ~m From ml at deadbabylon.de Wed Nov 29 15:48:19 2006 From: ml at deadbabylon.de (Sebastian Vahl) Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2006 16:48:19 +0100 Subject: FedoraDNA wallpaper in moodin-kde-splash? In-Reply-To: <13dbfe4f0611290304j1ff01c13mf49dfc2556d2052a@mail.gmail.com> References: <200611291123.46114.ml@deadbabylon.de> <13dbfe4f0611290304j1ff01c13mf49dfc2556d2052a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200611291648.19529.ml@deadbabylon.de> Am Mittwoch November 29 2006 12:04 schrieb Chitlesh GOORAH: > Great, I would like to see it in Fedora Extras:) > Trasher was building moodin's rpm. > http://odysseus.x-tnd.be/fedora/moodin/ > > I'll ping him again to push it to FE :) I think that would be the best idea. :) Sebastian From jjmasek at gmail.com Wed Nov 29 17:01:29 2006 From: jjmasek at gmail.com (Jiri Jakub Masek) Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2006 18:01:29 +0100 Subject: [FC7 theme proposal] Flying High with Fedora 7 - Round 1 In-Reply-To: <456D6752.1080106@nicubunu.ro> References: <484ace5d0611280511u51f66dcfnc26438b4b1a47cb3@mail.gmail.com> <456C374F.6040907@nicubunu.ro> <456D3F8C.8020003@nicubunu.ro> <456D6752.1080106@nicubunu.ro> Message-ID: Nicu, thanks for your help. JJM 2006/11/29, Nicu Buculei : > > Jiri Jakub Masek wrote: > > Hi Nicu, sorry, but I need help: In process of generating the GPG key I > > did mistake, generated 2 keys, now , one of them should be deleted, I > > don't know how... > > Either delete it manually from /~.gnupg or use the Seahorse application > > -- > nicu > Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ > Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org > my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list > -- I'm still learning English... Ji?? Jakub Ma?ek - Mr Jiri Jakub Masek Czech Republic, European Union -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Wed Nov 29 17:01:50 2006 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2006 22:31:50 +0530 Subject: Icon Theme In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <456DBCFE.6090005@fedoraproject.org> Leo wrote: > Hi all, > >>From various replies, I notice people are focusing on the fact that > Echo is not finished and we should wait and see. There is possibility > that miracle can happen and we all want Fedora to have a popular yet > unique look. However, could you try to estimate how much time we need > to get it ready for Fedora 7 based on the number of people working on > it? I quite doubt Echo can make it within Fedora 7 time frame. As > pointed out by David, inconsistency are one of the major issues. A complete icon set would take time. Its a lot of work. Thats already well known. > Tango being a freedesktop project detached from any distributions will > be adopted by all upstream developers sooner or later not to mention > there are already quite a few software websites using tango > icons. Freedesktop is a hosting space not very different from sf.net except for its desktop orientation. It is not a guarantee of upstream adaptobility. KDE most probably is not going to adopt it for example. There has been discussions about whether tango as a theme would fit into freedesktop at all though there is general agreement that a standard naming convention is a very good thing. Rahul From chitlesh at fedoraproject.org Wed Nov 29 19:34:15 2006 From: chitlesh at fedoraproject.org (Chitlesh GOORAH) Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2006 20:34:15 +0100 Subject: collaboration ?? Message-ID: <13dbfe4f0611291134t16bfbd0dgcd110eb695598912@mail.gmail.com> Hello, I just came across this wallpaper, http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=28732 Collaboration is what the fedora world is about. People from different countries contribute to this project in different ways. The growing number of contributor base and user base is clearly demonstrated by this wallpaper. what do you think about this type of theme, which reflects to both contributor and user worlds ? chitlesh -- http://clunixchit.blogspot.com From sdl.web at gmail.com Wed Nov 29 19:44:22 2006 From: sdl.web at gmail.com (Leo) Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2006 19:44:22 +0000 Subject: collaboration ?? References: <13dbfe4f0611291134t16bfbd0dgcd110eb695598912@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Wednesday, 29 Nov 2006, Chitlesh GOORAH wrote: > Hello, > I just came across this wallpaper, > http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=28732 > > Collaboration is what the fedora world is about. People from different > countries contribute to this project in different ways. The growing > number of contributor base and user base is clearly demonstrated by > this wallpaper. > > what do you think about this type of theme, which reflects to both > contributor and user worlds ? > > > chitlesh That resembles the default theme in some of the Thingpad laptops. -- Leo From subsolar at subsolar.com Thu Nov 30 02:49:30 2006 From: subsolar at subsolar.com (Paul) Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2006 20:49:30 -0600 Subject: planet propose for FC7 In-Reply-To: <456D42B4.2050702@nicubunu.ro> References: <1164740175.12642.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> <456C940F.8070802@redhat.com> <456D42B4.2050702@nicubunu.ro> Message-ID: <1164854970.10285.2.camel@azure> On Wed, 2006-11-29 at 10:20 +0200, Nicu Buculei wrote: > M?ir?n Duffy wrote: > > 2) It's very dark. We tend to get complaints about that. :-/ > > Maybe this is our opportunity to provide two backgrounds, a light and a > dark one? (I said it before, I like dark) > > > 3) I love the spacedust effect, it looks very cool. How would this look > > with just the space dust applied to a lighter flat background or > > gradient (try #3c6eb4 or #294172). I think it would make a great > > background without the planet or logo, or at least a simple logo tucked > > in the corner. > > I also like the spacedust effect (and find it somewhat related to your > "Borealis") but hate the planet and its rings. > A Spacey one that I did a long time ago in gimp is here, I reduced the quality somewhat so it's reasonable attachment. I have the orginal XCF so I can drop the signature line off the bottom. I have another one with planets that I did if anybody is interested. Paul -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: the-void-01.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 60501 bytes Desc: not available URL: From iamseawolf at gmail.com Thu Nov 30 15:25:08 2006 From: iamseawolf at gmail.com (seawolf) Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2006 15:25:08 +0000 Subject: planet propose for FC7 In-Reply-To: <456C940F.8070802@redhat.com> References: <1164740175.12642.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> <456C940F.8070802@redhat.com> Message-ID: <9c3bfa1d0611300725o4276c171sc45d738c42c6700a@mail.gmail.com> On 28/11/06, M?ir?n Duffy wrote: > 1) Why a planet? I am not a fan of taking object x and slapping the > Fedora logo on it with no rationale but there seems to be a lot of that > going on lately. :-/ > > ~m > What about keeping the planet as-is and having a rocket or something with a subtle fedora name or logo on that? I like that background, I'm a fan of darker ones sometimes - given 5's bubbles were bold and 6's underwater DNA is a bit dark anyway. -- ..// seawolf //.. Ben Arnold e-mail / msn / icq / yahoo iamseawolf (at) gmail (dot) com http://clik.to/seawolfsanctuary fedora core : artwork GnuPG Available - ask me! From duffy at redhat.com Thu Nov 30 15:36:31 2006 From: duffy at redhat.com (=?UTF-8?B?TcOhaXLDrW4gRHVmZnk=?=) Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2006 10:36:31 -0500 Subject: planet propose for FC7 In-Reply-To: <9c3bfa1d0611300725o4276c171sc45d738c42c6700a@mail.gmail.com> References: <1164740175.12642.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> <456C940F.8070802@redhat.com> <9c3bfa1d0611300725o4276c171sc45d738c42c6700a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <456EFA7F.30906@redhat.com> seawolf wrote: > On 28/11/06, M?ir?n Duffy wrote: >> 1) Why a planet? I am not a fan of taking object x and slapping the >> Fedora logo on it with no rationale but there seems to be a lot of that >> going on lately. :-/ >> >> ~m >> > > What about keeping the planet as-is and having a rocket or something > with a subtle fedora name or logo on that? That'd still be slapping the Fedora logo on an object, this time a rocket rather than a planet. I just don't understand the rationale. Fedora is a rocket ship flying through space? Fedora is a planet with rings spinning around it? (hehe makes me think of that Firefox ad contest submission with the IE weeeeeee!!!!) ~m From iamseawolf at gmail.com Thu Nov 30 15:42:22 2006 From: iamseawolf at gmail.com (seawolf) Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2006 15:42:22 +0000 Subject: planet propose for FC7 In-Reply-To: <456EFA7F.30906@redhat.com> References: <1164740175.12642.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> <456C940F.8070802@redhat.com> <9c3bfa1d0611300725o4276c171sc45d738c42c6700a@mail.gmail.com> <456EFA7F.30906@redhat.com> Message-ID: <9c3bfa1d0611300742j7423cd18w7dbc69c3b54387fa@mail.gmail.com> On 30/11/06, M?ir?n Duffy wrote: > That'd still be slapping the Fedora logo on an object, this time a > rocket rather than a planet. > > I just don't understand the rationale. Fedora is a rocket ship flying > through space? Rocket > lift-off > speeding through barriers > final frontier > bleeding edge of technology ? On 30/11/06, M?ir?n Duffy wrote: > Fedora is a planet with rings spinning around it? In conjunction with the rocket, I feel it would have a bit more emphasis on the imagery that's not directly linked to the metaphor. If the scenery is done well enough I think it is passable. However, I don't think the planet idea was made with a metaphor in mind but we might be wrong. Mola, was this the case? ./Ben -- ..// seawolf //.. Ben Arnold e-mail / msn / icq / yahoo iamseawolf (at) gmail (dot) com http://clik.to/seawolfsanctuary fedora core : artwork GnuPG Available - ask me! From duffy at redhat.com Thu Nov 30 16:05:27 2006 From: duffy at redhat.com (=?UTF-8?B?TcOhaXLDrW4gRHVmZnk=?=) Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2006 11:05:27 -0500 Subject: planet propose for FC7 In-Reply-To: <9c3bfa1d0611300742j7423cd18w7dbc69c3b54387fa@mail.gmail.com> References: <1164740175.12642.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> <456C940F.8070802@redhat.com> <9c3bfa1d0611300725o4276c171sc45d738c42c6700a@mail.gmail.com> <456EFA7F.30906@redhat.com> <9c3bfa1d0611300742j7423cd18w7dbc69c3b54387fa@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <456F0147.7000204@redhat.com> seawolf wrote: > On 30/11/06, M?ir?n Duffy wrote: >> That'd still be slapping the Fedora logo on an object, this time a >> rocket rather than a planet. >> >> I just don't understand the rationale. Fedora is a rocket ship flying >> through space? > > Rocket > lift-off > speeding through barriers > final frontier > > bleeding edge of technology ? i don't know.... > > > On 30/11/06, M?ir?n Duffy wrote: >> Fedora is a planet with rings spinning around it? > > In conjunction with the rocket, I feel it would have a bit more > emphasis on the imagery that's not directly linked to the metaphor. If > the scenery is done well enough I think it is passable. > > However, I don't think the planet idea was made with a metaphor in > mind but we might be wrong. Mola, was this the case? > even if you make it without a metaphor in mind, folks when they look at it will try to come up with a meaning. there's totally a place for eye candy but i'm just not feeling it. just my opinion tho. ~m From iamseawolf at gmail.com Thu Nov 30 16:49:32 2006 From: iamseawolf at gmail.com (seawolf) Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2006 16:49:32 +0000 Subject: Icon Theme In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <9c3bfa1d0611300849w4ec5569av55debd5f3eb85dd8@mail.gmail.com> On 29/11/06, Leo wrote: > ... Designing icons without palette and guidelines > would work well when there is only one contributor. We should set at > least some very basic guidelines if we expect all contributed icons to > roughly have the same level of quality and fit well together. I've made a wiki page on my bit [1] containing some of the main colours from some icons. As I say on the page, my intention is to have it as part of the icon tutorial page (similar to the Bluecurve tutorial page [2]) which could be named Artwork/EchoCreation or something. I think to have the hex colour values in a table would be useful as well as a GIMP and Inkscape file. You're spot on that we need some basic guidelines. I found that little things like stroke thickness was trial-and-error. It will take time, though. ./Ben [1] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/BenArnold/EchoColours [2] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/BluecurveIconGuidelines -- ..// seawolf //.. Ben Arnold e-mail / msn / icq / yahoo iamseawolf (at) gmail (dot) com http://clik.to/seawolfsanctuary fedora core : artwork GnuPG Available - ask me!