From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Sun Oct 1 05:57:44 2006 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Sun, 01 Oct 2006 11:27:44 +0530 Subject: DVD labels Message-ID: <451F58D8.4010905@fedoraproject.org> Hi For FC5 and FC6 http://booth.zapto.org/~foxkm/FC5/ Rahul From kwade at redhat.com Tue Oct 3 22:40:46 2006 From: kwade at redhat.com (Karsten Wade) Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2006 15:40:46 -0700 Subject: OO.org template and clipart contest Message-ID: <1159915246.4193.127.camel@erato.phig.org> FYI for those inclined: http://documentation.openoffice.org/ -- Karsten Wade, RHCE, 108 Editor ^ Fedora Documentation Project Sr. Developer Relations Mgr. | fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject quaid.108.redhat.com | gpg key: AD0E0C41 ////////////////////////////////// \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Wed Oct 4 05:36:25 2006 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2006 08:36:25 +0300 Subject: OO.org template and clipart contest In-Reply-To: <1159915246.4193.127.camel@erato.phig.org> References: <1159915246.4193.127.camel@erato.phig.org> Message-ID: <45234859.1060204@nicubunu.ro> Karsten Wade wrote: > FYI for those inclined: > > http://documentation.openoffice.org/ Yeah, we at the Open Clip Art Library were pretty unhappy with this action, instead of using our huge clipart library (over 10.000 images) OOo preferred to reinvent the wheel and keep a contest requiring images under a more restrictive license (the Sun-invented PDL). But keep an eye on us, we are undergoing a huge infrastructure change and after that will be ready for world domination :p -- nicu Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Tue Oct 10 17:09:59 2006 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2006 22:39:59 +0530 Subject: CD/DVD labels Message-ID: <452BD3E7.2020702@fedoraproject.org> Hi We had a discussion about labels in this list with several proposals but I didnt see any consensus on which one to adopt as the formal one for Fedora Core 6. We need to settle down on one for consistency. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/CDArtFC6 Rahul From stb52988 at gmail.com Tue Oct 10 20:23:31 2006 From: stb52988 at gmail.com (Steve Barnhart) Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2006 16:23:31 -0400 Subject: CD/DVD labels In-Reply-To: <452BD3E7.2020702@fedoraproject.org> References: <452BD3E7.2020702@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <15ce3ec0610101323s4b7eb2c6nd1085e25d0cfd28c@mail.gmail.com> I like MairinDuffy's proposal personally. I would like to see it adopted to a cd label also. On 10/10/06, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > Hi > > We had a discussion about labels in this list with several proposals but > I didnt see any consensus on which one to adopt as the formal one for > Fedora Core 6. We need to settle down on one for consistency. > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/CDArtFC6 > > Rahul > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list > -- Steve From iamseawolf at gmail.com Wed Oct 11 08:14:19 2006 From: iamseawolf at gmail.com (seawolf) Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2006 09:14:19 +0100 Subject: CD/DVD labels In-Reply-To: <452BD3E7.2020702@fedoraproject.org> References: <452BD3E7.2020702@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <9c3bfa1d0610110114o4ed9c5f0t2f2d71fd08e1f6cb@mail.gmail.com> I quite like Johns one submitted on 12/09. Marian's one does't look quite as polished as John's, nor as clean. On 10/10/06, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/CDArtFC6 -- ..// seawolf //.. Ben Arnold e-mail / msn / icq / yahoo iamseawolf (at) gmail (dot) com http://clik.to/seawolfsanctuary fedora core : artwork GnuPG Available - ask me! From thomas.canniot at laposte.net Wed Oct 11 20:43:07 2006 From: thomas.canniot at laposte.net (Thomas Canniot) Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2006 22:43:07 +0200 Subject: CD/DVD labels In-Reply-To: <452BD3E7.2020702@fedoraproject.org> References: <452BD3E7.2020702@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <1160599387.2407.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> Le mardi 10 octobre 2006 ? 22:39 +0530, Rahul Sundaram a ?crit : > Hi > > We had a discussion about labels in this list with several proposals but > I didnt see any consensus on which one to adopt as the formal one for > Fedora Core 6. We need to settle down on one for consistency. > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/CDArtFC6 > > Rahul > I prefer Diana's :) -- Thomas Canniot http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ThomasCanniot From stickster at gmail.com Wed Oct 11 21:47:33 2006 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2006 17:47:33 -0400 Subject: CD/DVD labels In-Reply-To: <1160599387.2407.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <452BD3E7.2020702@fedoraproject.org> <1160599387.2407.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1160603253.3309.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Wed, 2006-10-11 at 22:43 +0200, Thomas Canniot wrote: > Le mardi 10 octobre 2006 ? 22:39 +0530, Rahul Sundaram a ?crit : > > Hi > > > > We had a discussion about labels in this list with several proposals but > > I didnt see any consensus on which one to adopt as the formal one for > > Fedora Core 6. We need to settle down on one for consistency. > > > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/CDArtFC6 > > > > Rahul > > > > I prefer Diana's :) As do I. It would be nice to see some exterior art that also matches the new theme more closely. I was under the impression that the difference between using full-color art or using limited-palette art on the exterior CD jacket/wallet/sleeve is much smaller than on the disc itself. If that's the case, perhaps using the beautiful wallpaper default as the basis for the exterior art would be a good choice. -- Paul W. Frields, RHCE http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 Fedora Project Board: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Board Fedora Docs Project: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: Ceci est une partie de message num?riquement sign?e URL: From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Thu Oct 12 13:02:35 2006 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2006 18:32:35 +0530 Subject: CD/DVD labels In-Reply-To: <1160603253.3309.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <452BD3E7.2020702@fedoraproject.org> <1160599387.2407.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1160603253.3309.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <452E3CEB.5010605@fedoraproject.org> Paul W. Frields wrote: > On Wed, 2006-10-11 at 22:43 +0200, Thomas Canniot wrote: >> Le mardi 10 octobre 2006 ? 22:39 +0530, Rahul Sundaram a ?crit : >>> Hi >>> >>> We had a discussion about labels in this list with several proposals but >>> I didnt see any consensus on which one to adopt as the formal one for >>> Fedora Core 6. We need to settle down on one for consistency. >>> >>> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/CDArtFC6 >>> >>> Rahul >>> >> I prefer Diana's :) > > As do I. It would be nice to see some exterior art that also matches > the new theme more closely. I was under the impression that the > difference between using full-color art or using limited-palette art on > the exterior CD jacket/wallet/sleeve is much smaller than on the disc > itself. If that's the case, perhaps using the beautiful wallpaper > default as the basis for the exterior art would be a good choice. Thats not the only difference. We have to print CD/DVD labels on several events and costs would escalate steeply depending on the number of colors we use on. Rahul From dimitris at glezos.com Thu Oct 12 13:32:17 2006 From: dimitris at glezos.com (Dimitris Glezos) Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2006 14:32:17 +0100 Subject: CD/DVD labels In-Reply-To: <452E3CEB.5010605@fedoraproject.org> References: <452BD3E7.2020702@fedoraproject.org> <1160599387.2407.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1160603253.3309.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> <452E3CEB.5010605@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <452E43E1.4080005@glezos.com> Rahul Sundaram wrote: > Paul W. Frields wrote: >> On Wed, 2006-10-11 at 22:43 +0200, Thomas Canniot wrote: >>> Le mardi 10 octobre 2006 ? 22:39 +0530, Rahul Sundaram a ?crit : >>>> Hi >>>> >>>> We had a discussion about labels in this list with several proposals >>>> but I didnt see any consensus on which one to adopt as the formal >>>> one for Fedora Core 6. We need to settle down on one for consistency. >>>> >>>> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/CDArtFC6 >>>> >>>> Rahul >>>> >>> I prefer Diana's :) >> >> As do I. It would be nice to see some exterior art that also matches >> the new theme more closely. I was under the impression that the >> difference between using full-color art or using limited-palette art on >> the exterior CD jacket/wallet/sleeve is much smaller than on the disc >> itself. If that's the case, perhaps using the beautiful wallpaper >> default as the basis for the exterior art would be a good choice. > > Thats not the only difference. We have to print CD/DVD labels on several > events and costs would escalate steeply depending on the number of > colors we use on. BTW, Diana's image uses the dark-blue color on the logo, so the image actually uses three colors: white, blue, dark blue. Options: 1. Keep it as it is. 2. Reduce the colors to two. This is against the logo guidelines so it's not actually a choice. 3. Since we have the dark blue there, use it on the main design as well for a better result. 4. If 2 happens, probably consider using the dark blue as the background color, since it will match the FC6 theme better. I'd vote for 4, but that would mean extra work for someone. -d -- Dimitris Glezos Jabber ID: glezos at jabber.org, PGP: 0xA5A04C3B http://dimitris.glezos.com/ "He who gives up functionality for ease of use loses both and deserves neither." (Anonymous) -- From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Thu Oct 12 13:40:48 2006 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2006 19:10:48 +0530 Subject: CD/DVD labels In-Reply-To: <452E43E1.4080005@glezos.com> References: <452BD3E7.2020702@fedoraproject.org> <1160599387.2407.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1160603253.3309.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> <452E3CEB.5010605@fedoraproject.org> <452E43E1.4080005@glezos.com> Message-ID: <452E45E0.1020409@fedoraproject.org> Dimitris Glezos wrote: > Rahul Sundaram wrote: >> Paul W. Frields wrote: >>> On Wed, 2006-10-11 at 22:43 +0200, Thomas Canniot wrote: >>>> Le mardi 10 octobre 2006 ? 22:39 +0530, Rahul Sundaram a ?crit : >>>>> Hi >>>>> >>>>> We had a discussion about labels in this list with several >>>>> proposals but I didnt see any consensus on which one to adopt as >>>>> the formal one for Fedora Core 6. We need to settle down on one for >>>>> consistency. >>>>> >>>>> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/CDArtFC6 >>>>> >>>>> Rahul >>>>> >>>> I prefer Diana's :) >>> >>> As do I. It would be nice to see some exterior art that also matches >>> the new theme more closely. I was under the impression that the >>> difference between using full-color art or using limited-palette art on >>> the exterior CD jacket/wallet/sleeve is much smaller than on the disc >>> itself. If that's the case, perhaps using the beautiful wallpaper >>> default as the basis for the exterior art would be a good choice. >> >> Thats not the only difference. We have to print CD/DVD labels on >> several events and costs would escalate steeply depending on the >> number of colors we use on. > > BTW, Diana's image uses the dark-blue color on the logo, so the image > actually uses three colors: white, blue, dark blue. For printing purposes, atleast in my region shades of the same color are considered a single color. Rahul From dimitris at glezos.com Thu Oct 12 14:20:38 2006 From: dimitris at glezos.com (Dimitris Glezos) Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2006 15:20:38 +0100 Subject: CD/DVD labels In-Reply-To: <452E45E0.1020409@fedoraproject.org> References: <452BD3E7.2020702@fedoraproject.org> <1160599387.2407.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1160603253.3309.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> <452E3CEB.5010605@fedoraproject.org> <452E43E1.4080005@glezos.com> <452E45E0.1020409@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <452E4F36.2070300@glezos.com> Rahul Sundaram wrote: > Dimitris Glezos wrote: >> Rahul Sundaram wrote: >>> Paul W. Frields wrote: >>>> On Wed, 2006-10-11 at 22:43 +0200, Thomas Canniot wrote: >>>>> Le mardi 10 octobre 2006 ? 22:39 +0530, Rahul Sundaram a ?crit : >>>>>> Hi >>>>>> >>>>>> We had a discussion about labels in this list with several >>>>>> proposals but I didnt see any consensus on which one to adopt as >>>>>> the formal one for Fedora Core 6. We need to settle down on one >>>>>> for consistency. >>>>>> >>>>>> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/CDArtFC6 >>>>>> >>>>>> Rahul >>>>>> >>>>> I prefer Diana's :) >>>> >>>> As do I. It would be nice to see some exterior art that also matches >>>> the new theme more closely. I was under the impression that the >>>> difference between using full-color art or using limited-palette art on >>>> the exterior CD jacket/wallet/sleeve is much smaller than on the disc >>>> itself. If that's the case, perhaps using the beautiful wallpaper >>>> default as the basis for the exterior art would be a good choice. >>> >>> Thats not the only difference. We have to print CD/DVD labels on >>> several events and costs would escalate steeply depending on the >>> number of colors we use on. >> >> BTW, Diana's image uses the dark-blue color on the logo, so the image >> actually uses three colors: white, blue, dark blue. > > For printing purposes, atleast in my region shades of the same color are > considered a single color. If this is true, then we could use as many shades of the blue in the image. -d -- Dimitris Glezos Jabber ID: glezos at jabber.org, PGP: 0xA5A04C3B http://dimitris.glezos.com/ "He who gives up functionality for ease of use loses both and deserves neither." (Anonymous) -- From onuorah_ifeoma at yahoo.com Fri Oct 13 14:38:04 2006 From: onuorah_ifeoma at yahoo.com (Ifeoma Onuorah) Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2006 07:38:04 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Fedora Icon Project Message-ID: <20061013143804.41821.qmail@web35712.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hey everyone! I know ppl are still all working on the CD labels for the new Fedora theme but I wanted to ask a question about the icon project. I figure I can still upload minimizations, but I need a little help. Can some one tell me how to link the image after you click edit so it can be seen on the page.. that and the svg's. I have done some before but that was when I was an intern at RedHat this summer and I had a little help. Unfortunately I haven't visited the page in a bit and forgot a little bit of the process. If anyone can help me out I'd be super grateful. Thanx all -Ify :) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Mon Oct 16 06:02:56 2006 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2006 09:02:56 +0300 Subject: Fedora Icon Project In-Reply-To: <20061013143804.41821.qmail@web35712.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20061013143804.41821.qmail@web35712.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <45332090.1030206@nicubunu.ro> Ifeoma Onuorah wrote: > Hey everyone! > I know ppl are still all working on the CD labels > for the new Fedora theme but I wanted to ask a > question about the icon project. I figure I can still > upload minimizations, but I need a little help. Can > some one tell me how to link the image after you click > edit so it can be seen on the page.. that and the > svg's. I have done some before but that was when I was > an intern at RedHat this summer and I had a little > help. Unfortunately I haven't visited the page in a > bit and forgot a little bit of the process. > If anyone can help me out I'd be super grateful. First go to "More Actions:" -> Attachments and upload your files (in PNG and SVG, to all needed sizes), then copy/paste and modify existing code, something like: ||icon-name|| [[ImageLink(icon-name16.png)]] [[ImageLink(icon-name24.png)]] [attachment:icon-name16.svg 16x16 SVG] [attachment:icon-name24.svg 24x24 SVG] || [[ImageLink(icon-nameL.png)]] [attachment:icon-nameL.svg SVG] ||Icon Description||YourName|| The executive words are: copy and modify. Copy wiki codes form the rest of the page. -- nicu Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Mon Oct 16 08:18:05 2006 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2006 13:48:05 +0530 Subject: Official Fedora Core 6 media labels Message-ID: <4533403D.2060904@fedoraproject.org> Hi I believe duffy's version got the most votes. So I am declaring this as official. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/CDArtFC6 We need a official one for consistent branding and I selected one because the Fedora Bible author contacted me and wanted us to pick one. So there it is. Rahul Rahul From nicolas.mailhot at laposte.net Mon Oct 16 08:26:55 2006 From: nicolas.mailhot at laposte.net (Nicolas Mailhot) Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2006 10:26:55 +0200 (CEST) Subject: Official Fedora Core 6 media labels In-Reply-To: <4533403D.2060904@fedoraproject.org> References: <4533403D.2060904@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <3554.192.54.193.51.1160987215.squirrel@rousalka.dyndns.org> Le Lun 16 octobre 2006 10:18, Rahul Sundaram a ?crit : > Hi > > I believe duffy's version got the most votes. So I am declaring this as > official. > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/CDArtFC6 But it seems duffy only did the insert, what matching round CD/DVD label are people supposed to use? -- Nicolas Mailhot From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Mon Oct 16 08:33:32 2006 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2006 11:33:32 +0300 Subject: Official Fedora Core 6 media labels In-Reply-To: <3554.192.54.193.51.1160987215.squirrel@rousalka.dyndns.org> References: <4533403D.2060904@fedoraproject.org> <3554.192.54.193.51.1160987215.squirrel@rousalka.dyndns.org> Message-ID: <453343DC.6090401@nicubunu.ro> Nicolas Mailhot wrote: > Le Lun 16 octobre 2006 10:18, Rahul Sundaram a ?crit : >> Hi >> >> I believe duffy's version got the most votes. So I am declaring this as >> official. >> >> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/CDArtFC6 > > But it seems duffy only did the insert, what matching round CD/DVD label > are people supposed to use? Having access to the source (I believe M?ir?n used Inkscape, so SVG), the other graphics are trivial to be produced. Note: on the wiki we don't have sources for any of the proposals and the PNGs are very low quality (unusable). -- nicu Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Mon Oct 16 08:37:24 2006 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2006 14:07:24 +0530 Subject: Official Fedora Core 6 media labels In-Reply-To: <453343DC.6090401@nicubunu.ro> References: <4533403D.2060904@fedoraproject.org> <3554.192.54.193.51.1160987215.squirrel@rousalka.dyndns.org> <453343DC.6090401@nicubunu.ro> Message-ID: <453344C4.4030409@fedoraproject.org> Nicu Buculei wrote: > Nicolas Mailhot wrote: >> Le Lun 16 octobre 2006 10:18, Rahul Sundaram a ?crit : >>> Hi >>> >>> I believe duffy's version got the most votes. So I am declaring this as >>> official. >>> >>> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/CDArtFC6 >> >> But it seems duffy only did the insert, what matching round CD/DVD label >> are people supposed to use? > > Having access to the source (I believe M?ir?n used Inkscape, so SVG), > the other graphics are trivial to be produced. > Note: on the wiki we don't have sources for any of the proposals and the > PNGs are very low quality (unusable). Duffy's proposal has the links to the Inkscape SVG file. If you can produce the other variants that we need, lets do that. Rahul From charles.vinchon at fedoraproject.org Mon Oct 16 08:50:43 2006 From: charles.vinchon at fedoraproject.org (Charles VINCHON) Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2006 10:50:43 +0200 Subject: Official Fedora Core 6 media labels In-Reply-To: <4533403D.2060904@fedoraproject.org> References: <4533403D.2060904@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <1160988643.2619.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> Le lundi 16 octobre 2006 ? 13:48 +0530, Rahul Sundaram a ?crit : > Hi > > I believe duffy's version got the most votes. So I am declaring this as > official. I think the Diana Fong's one looks like more to the DNA theme and should be used. The duffy's one is good but it's more different then the Diana's one. Charles -- Charles Vinchon French Fedora Ambassador Lille, France (GMT+2 - CEST) http://fedoraproject.org/Wiki/CharlesVinchon mailto:charles.vinchon at fedoraproject.org -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Rahul From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Mon Oct 16 09:27:39 2006 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2006 14:57:39 +0530 Subject: Official Fedora Core 6 media labels In-Reply-To: <3554.192.54.193.51.1160987215.squirrel@rousalka.dyndns.org> References: <4533403D.2060904@fedoraproject.org> <3554.192.54.193.51.1160987215.squirrel@rousalka.dyndns.org> Message-ID: <4533508B.10107@fedoraproject.org> Nicolas Mailhot wrote: > Le Lun 16 octobre 2006 10:18, Rahul Sundaram a ?crit : >> Hi >> >> I believe duffy's version got the most votes. So I am declaring this as >> official. >> >> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/CDArtFC6 > > But it seems duffy only did the insert, what matching round CD/DVD label > are people supposed to use? I thought people here would be interested to do that. Appears Nicu Buculei might contribute that. More help is welcome. Rahul From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Mon Oct 16 09:27:33 2006 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2006 12:27:33 +0300 Subject: Official Fedora Core 6 media labels In-Reply-To: <45334D30.2090400@fedoraproject.org> References: <4533403D.2060904@fedoraproject.org> <1160988643.2619.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> <45334D30.2090400@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <45335085.6000205@nicubunu.ro> Rahul Sundaram wrote: > Charles VINCHON wrote: >> Le lundi 16 octobre 2006 ? 13:48 +0530, Rahul Sundaram a ?crit : >>> Hi >>> >>> I believe duffy's version got the most votes. So I am declaring this >>> as official. >> >> I think the Diana Fong's one looks like more to the DNA theme and should >> be used. > > Where is it? Near the bottom of the wiki page: http://people.redhat.com/dfong/fc6graphics/cdDVD/FC6cdvd.png -- nicu Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Mon Oct 16 09:53:17 2006 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2006 12:53:17 +0300 Subject: Official Fedora Core 6 media labels In-Reply-To: <4533508B.10107@fedoraproject.org> References: <4533403D.2060904@fedoraproject.org> <3554.192.54.193.51.1160987215.squirrel@rousalka.dyndns.org> <4533508B.10107@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <4533568D.5050509@nicubunu.ro> Rahul Sundaram wrote: > > I thought people here would be interested to do that. Appears Nicu > Buculei might contribute that. More help is welcome. This (attached) would be my first take. -- nicu Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: dna-dvd-label.svg Type: image/svg+xml Size: 229312 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: dna-dvd-label.png Type: image/png Size: 77120 bytes Desc: not available URL: From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Mon Oct 16 10:10:56 2006 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2006 15:40:56 +0530 Subject: Official Fedora Core 6 media labels In-Reply-To: <4533568D.5050509@nicubunu.ro> References: <4533403D.2060904@fedoraproject.org> <3554.192.54.193.51.1160987215.squirrel@rousalka.dyndns.org> <4533508B.10107@fedoraproject.org> <4533568D.5050509@nicubunu.ro> Message-ID: <45335AB0.8020307@fedoraproject.org> Nicu Buculei wrote: > Rahul Sundaram wrote: >> >> I thought people here would be interested to do that. Appears Nicu >> Buculei might contribute that. More help is welcome. > > This (attached) would be my first take. That looks good. Can you attach revisions to the wiki page itself? Rahul From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Mon Oct 16 10:34:55 2006 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2006 13:34:55 +0300 Subject: Official Fedora Core 6 media labels In-Reply-To: <45335AB0.8020307@fedoraproject.org> References: <4533403D.2060904@fedoraproject.org> <3554.192.54.193.51.1160987215.squirrel@rousalka.dyndns.org> <4533508B.10107@fedoraproject.org> <4533568D.5050509@nicubunu.ro> <45335AB0.8020307@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <4533604F.6010704@nicubunu.ro> Rahul Sundaram wrote: > Nicu Buculei wrote: >> >> This (attached) would be my first take. > > That looks good. Can you attach revisions to the wiki page itself? Sure, done. Sorry for not doing it in the first place. -- nicu Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From igorm5 at vip.hr Mon Oct 16 11:42:58 2006 From: igorm5 at vip.hr (Igor Jagec) Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2006 13:42:58 +0200 Subject: Official Fedora Core 6 media labels In-Reply-To: <4533568D.5050509@nicubunu.ro> References: <4533403D.2060904@fedoraproject.org> <3554.192.54.193.51.1160987215.squirrel@rousalka.dyndns.org> <4533508B.10107@fedoraproject.org> <4533568D.5050509@nicubunu.ro> Message-ID: <45337042.50208@vip.hr> Nicu Buculei ka?e: > Rahul Sundaram wrote: >> I thought people here would be interested to do that. Appears Nicu >> Buculei might contribute that. More help is welcome. > This (attached) would be my first take. Very nice and elegant. I like your work very much, in generally. BTW do you have any plans to make your wallpapers on higher resolution than 800x600? Thanks. -- Igor Jagec From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Mon Oct 16 12:11:27 2006 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2006 15:11:27 +0300 Subject: Official Fedora Core 6 media labels In-Reply-To: <45337042.50208@vip.hr> References: <4533403D.2060904@fedoraproject.org> <3554.192.54.193.51.1160987215.squirrel@rousalka.dyndns.org> <4533508B.10107@fedoraproject.org> <4533568D.5050509@nicubunu.ro> <45337042.50208@vip.hr> Message-ID: <453376EF.9050203@nicubunu.ro> Igor Jagec wrote: > Nicu Buculei ka?e: >> This (attached) would be my first take. > > Very nice and elegant. I like your work very much, in generally. BTW do This label was only a *minor* modification of the cover by M?ir?n Duffy > you have any plans to make your wallpapers on higher resolution than > 800x600? Thanks. Are you asking about the wallpapers on my personal website? (the link in my signature) Those are vector in format (SVG) so the resolution does not matter. If you want a raster image at a certain resolution, open the file in Inkscape and export to PNG without any lack of quality (but Fedora is able to use SVG images as wallpapers). -- nicu Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From dimitris at glezos.com Mon Oct 16 12:03:02 2006 From: dimitris at glezos.com (Dimitris Glezos) Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2006 13:03:02 +0100 Subject: Official Fedora Core 6 media labels In-Reply-To: <1160988643.2619.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <4533403D.2060904@fedoraproject.org> <1160988643.2619.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <453374F6.4080802@glezos.com> Charles VINCHON wrote: > Le lundi 16 octobre 2006 ? 13:48 +0530, Rahul Sundaram a ?crit : >> Hi >> >> I believe duffy's version got the most votes. So I am declaring this as >> official. > > I think the Diana Fong's one looks like more to the DNA theme and should > be used. > > The duffy's one is good but it's more different then the Diana's one. +1 in consistency. -- Dimitris Glezos Jabber ID: glezos at jabber.org, PGP: 0xA5A04C3B http://dimitris.glezos.com/ "He who gives up functionality for ease of use loses both and deserves neither." (Anonymous) -- From nicolas.mailhot at laposte.net Mon Oct 16 13:47:23 2006 From: nicolas.mailhot at laposte.net (Nicolas Mailhot) Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2006 15:47:23 +0200 (CEST) Subject: Official Fedora Core 6 media labels In-Reply-To: <453376EF.9050203@nicubunu.ro> References: <4533403D.2060904@fedoraproject.org> <3554.192.54.193.51.1160987215.squirrel@rousalka.dyndns.org> <4533508B.10107@fedoraproject.org> <4533568D.5050509@nicubunu.ro> <45337042.50208@vip.hr> <453376EF.9050203@nicubunu.ro> Message-ID: <13662.192.54.193.51.1161006443.squirrel@rousalka.dyndns.org> Le Lun 16 octobre 2006 14:11, Nicu Buculei a ?crit : >> you have any plans to make your wallpapers on higher resolution than >> 800x600? Thanks. > > Are you asking about the wallpapers on my personal website? (the link in > my signature) Those are vector in format (SVG) so the resolution does > not matter. However aspect ratio does : these wallpapers will scale OK for 4:3 screens but not for 16:10 widescreens Regards, -- Nicolas Mailhot From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Mon Oct 16 14:03:05 2006 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2006 17:03:05 +0300 Subject: Official Fedora Core 6 media labels In-Reply-To: <13662.192.54.193.51.1161006443.squirrel@rousalka.dyndns.org> References: <4533403D.2060904@fedoraproject.org> <3554.192.54.193.51.1160987215.squirrel@rousalka.dyndns.org> <4533508B.10107@fedoraproject.org> <4533568D.5050509@nicubunu.ro> <45337042.50208@vip.hr> <453376EF.9050203@nicubunu.ro> <13662.192.54.193.51.1161006443.squirrel@rousalka.dyndns.org> Message-ID: <45339119.8090601@nicubunu.ro> Nicolas Mailhot wrote: > Le Lun 16 octobre 2006 14:11, Nicu Buculei a ?crit : > >>> you have any plans to make your wallpapers on higher resolution than >>> 800x600? Thanks. >> Are you asking about the wallpapers on my personal website? (the link in >> my signature) Those are vector in format (SVG) so the resolution does >> not matter. > > However aspect ratio does : these wallpapers will scale OK for 4:3 screens > but not for 16:10 widescreens True, but all my monitors have 4:3 screens and all the people I know use 4:3 screens (probably my _next_ monitor will be widescreen, but I don't plan a purchase in the near future). I can produce a wide version on request for a specific image but I am not motivated enough to work on all of them (there is no itch to scratch). -- nicu Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From jfrieben at freesurf.fr Mon Oct 16 14:21:07 2006 From: jfrieben at freesurf.fr (Joachim Frieben) Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2006 16:21:07 +0200 (CEST) Subject: Official Fedora Core 6 media labels In-Reply-To: <1160988643.2619.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1160988643.2619.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <57805.172.176.9.29.1161008467.squirrel@jose.freesurf.fr> Most definitely! M. Duffy?s proposal is way off with respect to the "DNA" theme "look & feel". I would have had no doubt voting for Diana?s proposal if I had been aware of the vote mentioned earlier .. > I think the Diana Fong's one looks like more to the DNA theme and > should be used. > > The duffy's one is good but it's more different then the Diana's one. > > Charles From igorm5 at vip.hr Mon Oct 16 14:25:18 2006 From: igorm5 at vip.hr (Igor Jagec) Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2006 16:25:18 +0200 Subject: Official Fedora Core 6 media labels In-Reply-To: <453376EF.9050203@nicubunu.ro> References: <4533403D.2060904@fedoraproject.org> <3554.192.54.193.51.1160987215.squirrel@rousalka.dyndns.org> <4533508B.10107@fedoraproject.org> <4533568D.5050509@nicubunu.ro> <45337042.50208@vip.hr> <453376EF.9050203@nicubunu.ro> Message-ID: <4533964E.50907@vip.hr> Nicu Buculei ka?e: > Igor Jagec wrote: >> Nicu Buculei ka?e: >>> This (attached) would be my first take. >> Very nice and elegant. I like your work very much, in generally. BTW do > This label was only a *minor* modification of the cover by M?ir?n Duffy Ok, I like M?ir?n's work too :) >> you have any plans to make your wallpapers on higher resolution than >> 800x600? Thanks. > Are you asking about the wallpapers on my personal website? Yep. I set 3d_bubble_02.png on my desktop. It's very elegant. > (the link in > my signature) Those are vector in format (SVG) so the resolution does > not matter. > If you want a raster image at a certain resolution, open the file in > Inkscape and export to PNG without any lack of quality (but Fedora is > able to use SVG images as wallpapers). I didn't know that, thanks :) I'll install Inkscape and set up the correct resolution. Cheers! -- Igor Jagec From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Mon Oct 16 14:27:49 2006 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2006 19:57:49 +0530 Subject: Official Fedora Core 6 media labels In-Reply-To: <57805.172.176.9.29.1161008467.squirrel@jose.freesurf.fr> References: <1160988643.2619.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> <57805.172.176.9.29.1161008467.squirrel@jose.freesurf.fr> Message-ID: <453396E5.5040304@fedoraproject.org> Joachim Frieben wrote: > Most definitely! M. Duffy?s proposal is way off with respect to the "DNA" > theme "look & feel". I would have had no doubt voting for Diana?s proposal > if I had been aware of the vote mentioned earlier .. > The labels dont look exactly the same but it retains the same concept and looks better in print. Voting period is over and the decision has been made. Appropriate artwork has been filled in. We can all move on to other things now. Thanks. Rahul From duffy at redhat.com Mon Oct 16 16:02:51 2006 From: duffy at redhat.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?M=E1ir=EDn_Duffy?=) Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2006 12:02:51 -0400 Subject: Official Fedora Core 6 media labels Message-ID: <4533AD2B.3090508@redhat.com> Hi Rahul & everybody, I just uploaded the labels I put together for Max & Jack here: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/CDArt They needed something to send to the printer last week - I wasn't really happy with my original submission, and some of the other artwork didn't have formats I could work with to get into the proper format for the printer (some of them also used a bolder version of the Fedora logo which we can't use.) I had to make a lot of quick decisions and formatting work so this is how things ended up: The sleeve now corresponds with the 3D art Mola did for the release and the DVD label has the original DNA strand artwork. I'm attaching larger PNGs of the artwork so you can take a look. Everyone, I'm very sorry for all the last-minute changes - I've asked Max & Jack to contact the list rather than individual artists in the future so we'll all be better able to stay in the loop. I'm also trying to figure out at what point in the release schedule should we work to have the artwork finalized & formatted by for FC 7. In general, as a team I think we're making great progress - we've gotten community artwork into the distro for the first time which I think is a big step. To get better though, we need better organization. For the DVD/CD artwork, for example, I think we should have a single person as 'owner' to organize the work so there's less chaos/confusion and so it's done on time and in the right format. I think for all artwork maybe we could try to hold critiques/review sessions to hash out the issues before it's too late to use the artwork. 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Sounds like we should have things ready by 3 weeks before the release date - which I think indicates the following schedule: - 6 weeks before release date - artwork concept finalized - we choose which to go with and it is provided in vector (preferably SVG) format. - 3 weeks before release date - artwork formatted & ready for printers. Based on the FC6 schedule those dates tenatively and quite roughly would be: - artwork concept finalized - mid-April - artwork formatted & ready for printers - mid/early May ~m From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Mon Oct 16 16:33:42 2006 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2006 22:03:42 +0530 Subject: Official Fedora Core 6 media labels In-Reply-To: <4533B1EF.1090304@redhat.com> References: <4533AD2B.3090508@redhat.com> <4533B1EF.1090304@redhat.com> Message-ID: <4533B466.9010006@fedoraproject.org> M?ir?n Duffy wrote: > > Sounds like we should have things ready by 3 weeks before the release > date - which I think indicates the following schedule: > > - 6 weeks before release date - artwork concept finalized - we choose > which to go with and it is provided in vector (preferably SVG) format. > > - 3 weeks before release date - artwork formatted & ready for printers. > > Based on the FC6 schedule those dates tenatively and quite roughly would > be: > > - artwork concept finalized - mid-April > - artwork formatted & ready for printers - mid/early May I would prefer we use milestones that are based on set release timings and coordinate with other development time rather than specific dates or periods. For example Artwork Concept finalized - Test 1 release Artwork Ready (to be included within the distribution) - Test 2 release Media labels, Splash images and other ancillary artwork - Test 3 release Would that work? Rahul From luya_tfz at thefinalzone.com Mon Oct 16 16:37:50 2006 From: luya_tfz at thefinalzone.com (Luya Tshimbalanga) Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2006 00:37:50 +0800 Subject: Thinking ahead: some FC7 ideas Message-ID: Learning the lesson on the artwork development for Fedora Core 6, I wrote some ideas about the future look of Fedora Core 7 which can be seen: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/LuyaTshimbalanga/FC7FutureArtwork One of lesson is to plan early which explains why Echo icon theme couldn't make it on Core 6. Another details is to reorganize the artwork page by grouping into different versions of Core i.e. 5, 6 or 7. Since we are about seven artwork contributors, we should organize a meeting for tuning some ideas. Feedback is welcome. Sincerely, Luya Tshimbalanga -- Fedora Project Contributor http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/LuyaTshimbalanga http://www.fedoranews.org From duffy at redhat.com Mon Oct 16 16:41:31 2006 From: duffy at redhat.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?M=E1ir=EDn_Duffy?=) Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2006 12:41:31 -0400 Subject: Official Fedora Core 6 media labels In-Reply-To: <4533B466.9010006@fedoraproject.org> References: <4533AD2B.3090508@redhat.com> <4533B1EF.1090304@redhat.com> <4533B466.9010006@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <4533B63B.70205@redhat.com> Rahul Sundaram wrote: > Artwork Concept finalized - Test 1 release > Artwork Ready (to be included within the distribution) - Test 2 release > Media labels, Splash images and other ancillary artwork - Test 3 release > > Would that work? Yeh! I'd clarify it a bit though - Test 1 release - Artwork concept finalized. Test 2 release - Artwork to be included in the distribution ready (themes/GDM/anaconda/firstboot/wallpaper/etc) Test 3 release - Media labels, splash artwork for the website/wiki, other ancillary artwork Is there enough time between two test releases, between concept finalization and theming work though? That's the majority of the work I think... ~m From duffy at redhat.com Mon Oct 16 16:51:35 2006 From: duffy at redhat.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?M=E1ir=EDn_Duffy?=) Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2006 12:51:35 -0400 Subject: Thinking ahead: some FC7 ideas In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4533B897.1080803@redhat.com> Hi Luya, Luya Tshimbalanga wrote: > Learning the lesson on the artwork development for Fedora Core 6, I > wrote some ideas about the future look of Fedora Core 7 which can be seen: > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/LuyaTshimbalanga/FC7FutureArtwork Thanks for starting this discussion! :) * Echo development icons is set to be the default. This I think is pending a lot of different factors so I don't know that we can assure this for FC7. * New wallpaper, login screen derived from Mola/Mizmo ideas that needs to match Echo theme I don't think the theming work has to be made to match Echo. I think as long as it incorporates the Fedora blue colors they'll go well together just fine. I'm also not sure what ideas you're referring to :) We should probably resurrect the theming brainstorming page [1], update it for FC7 and add some of the things that have been proposed since then (I remember some cool things discussed on the list wrt FC7 a month or so ago.) * The login screen needs to get a user list which was missing since Fedora Core 1. There is a Gnome version of list login screen that can be used as a sample. It is fine to create a GDM theme that includes the user list, but the user list version cannot be made the default GDM theme. The primary concern is security - a list of usernames on the login screen makes it easier to guess passwords. * Legacy artwork from Fedora Core 4 to Fedora Core 6 should be added for users looking to have them. Packaging them in Fedora Extras might be a good way. That's a cool idea, but is it then okay to have the release numbers in the artwork? (Would be weird to have FC6-specific artwork in FC7, for example?) Should we make it a policy to leave release numbers out? (makes it impossible then to come up with release-version specific artwork such as the c6re [2] logo.) * Bluecurve should be moved to Extras repository once Echo theme is finalized. Sure. * It appears Cairo engine is very stable. It will be be nice to for some people to generate an enhanced Clearlook theme for Fedora Core 7. Developing a theme is pretty difficult & time-consuming but if we can get some good mockups early on then it'd be easier to hit FC7. * Since there is a lot KDE users, provide the artworks to smoothly blend with Gnome applications. I'm not sure what you mean by smoothly blend with GNOME applications? Do you mean the theming work for GNOME should also be done for KDE? Is anybody on the list a KDE user or knowledgable about KDE such they could advise us on this? * Making Anaconda look very pleasant without compromising the performance. I'm not sure what you mean here - the colors available? The design of the screens? Some things there isn't a whole lot there can be done about because of technical limitations. If there are specific issues we want to target let's create a list and I can discuss it with Jeremy Katz and see how much is possible. ~m [1] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/ThemeSubmissions [2] http://www.deviantart.com/deviation/37918014 From thomas.canniot at laposte.net Mon Oct 16 17:06:38 2006 From: thomas.canniot at laposte.net (Thomas Canniot) Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2006 19:06:38 +0200 Subject: Thinking ahead: some FC7 ideas In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1161018398.2475.10.camel@localhost.localdomain> Le mardi 17 octobre 2006 ? 00:37 +0800, Luya Tshimbalanga a ?crit : > Learning the lesson on the artwork development for Fedora Core 6, I > wrote some ideas about the future look of Fedora Core 7 which can be seen: > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/LuyaTshimbalanga/FC7FutureArtwork > > One of lesson is to plan early which explains why Echo icon theme > couldn't make it on Core 6. > Another details is to reorganize the artwork page by grouping into > different versions of Core i.e. 5, 6 or 7. Since we are about seven > artwork contributors, we should organize a meeting for tuning some > ideas. Feedback is welcome. > > Sincerely, > > Luya Tshimbalanga Let me remind every one some of the theme we were shown during this summer ! I quite like the graffiti theme :) Graffiti : https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-art-list/2006-July/msg00096.html https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-art-list/2006-July/msg00104.html Tangram : https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-art-list/2006-September/msg00074.html Cheers -- Thomas Canniot http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ThomasCanniot From sdl.web at gmail.com Mon Oct 16 23:19:21 2006 From: sdl.web at gmail.com (Leo) Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2006 00:19:21 +0100 Subject: Thinking ahead: some FC7 ideas References: <4533B897.1080803@redhat.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 16/10/06 17:51 +0100, M?ir?n Duffy wrote: > Hi Luya, > [...] > * Echo development icons is set to be the default. > > This I think is pending a lot of different factors so I don't know > that we can assure this for FC7. One thing for sure is that depending on the community to finish the icon set takes way too much time. We need a sub-project leader to direct and motivate the team. [...] > * It appears Cairo engine is very stable. It will be be nice to for > some people to generate an enhanced Clearlook theme for Fedora Core 7. > > Developing a theme is pretty difficult & time-consuming but if we can > get some good mockups early on then it'd be easier to hit FC7. > I'd suggest "Murrine GTK2 Cairo Engine"?. I have been using MurrinaGilouche? which is based on this engine. Tweaking an existing theme is much less time consuming and is deliverable. It's odd to see the discussion of metacity and gtk2 themes off the table for FC6. And I think they are the most important elements because for one thing they are what users see 99% of their time using computer. As hibernation/suspension works quite well now, most of the people may see their login screen once a month and grub splash screen once half a year. Footnotes: ? http://www.gnome-look.org/content/show.php?content=42755 ? http://www.gnome-look.org/content/show.php?content=44510 -- Leo From luya_tfz at thefinalzone.com Tue Oct 17 00:14:29 2006 From: luya_tfz at thefinalzone.com (Luya Tshimbalanga) Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2006 08:14:29 +0800 Subject: Thinking ahead: some FC7 ideas Message-ID: > Thanks for starting this discussion! :) > [...] > * New wallpaper, login screen derived from Mola/Mizmo ideas that needs > to match Echo theme > > I don't think the theming work has to be made to match Echo. I think as > long as it incorporates the Fedora blue colors they'll go well together > just fine. > > I'm also not sure what ideas you're referring to :) We should probably > resurrect the theming brainstorming page [1], update it for FC7 and add > some of the things that have been proposed since then (I remember some > cool things discussed on the list wrt FC7 a month or so ago.) Let's do it them. > * The login screen needs to get a user list which was missing since > Fedora Core 1. There is a Gnome version of list login screen that can be > used as a sample. > > It is fine to create a GDM theme that includes the user list, but the > user list version cannot be made the default GDM theme. The primary > concern is security - a list of usernames on the login screen makes it > easier to guess passwords. > I understand. It would be nice to replace the old user list by a new version for people who are still looking to use it. > * Legacy artwork from Fedora Core 4 to Fedora Core 6 should be added for > users looking to have them. Packaging them in Fedora Extras might be a > good way. > > That's a cool idea, but is it then okay to have the release numbers in > the artwork? (Would be weird to have FC6-specific artwork in FC7, for > example?) Should we make it a policy to leave release numbers out? > (makes it impossible then to come up with release-version specific > artwork such as the c6re [2] logo.) No need of releases number but putting a description about the original artwork will suffice. I am for not including any release numbers in the artwork. > * It appears Cairo engine is very stable. It will be be nice to for some > people to generate an enhanced Clearlook theme for Fedora Core 7. > > Developing a theme is pretty difficult & time-consuming but if we can > get some good mockups early on then it'd be easier to hit FC7. > Like Leo mentiooned, let use the existing theme to enhance it. It can be a combination of Clearlook with other themes. > * Since there is a lot KDE users, provide the artworks to smoothly blend > with Gnome applications. > > I'm not sure what you mean by smoothly blend with GNOME applications? Do > you mean the theming work for GNOME should also be done for KDE? Is > anybody on the list a KDE user or knowledgable about KDE such they could > advise us on this? Right. I was thinking to gather desktop environments artists (including Enlightement) so they can tune the theme for their favorite DE (KDE, xfce, well all DE available in Extras repository). > * Making Anaconda look very pleasant without compromising the performance. > > I'm not sure what you mean here - the colors available? The design of > the screens? Some things there isn't a whole lot there can be done about > because of technical limitations. If there are specific issues we want > to target let's create a list and I can discuss it with Jeremy Katz and > see how much is possible. Let's get the list of technical limitation so we can work around it. One of example is the customization screen which I found plain, not professional. We will need to polish them with tools like Glade 3 which should be available in rawhide soon. Luya Tshimbalanga -- Fedora Project Contributor http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/LuyaTshimbalanga http://www.fedoranews.org From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Tue Oct 17 06:06:25 2006 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2006 09:06:25 +0300 Subject: Thinking ahead: some FC7 ideas In-Reply-To: <4533B897.1080803@redhat.com> References: <4533B897.1080803@redhat.com> Message-ID: <453472E1.3070501@nicubunu.ro> M?ir?n Duffy wrote: > Luya Tshimbalanga wrote: > > * Echo development icons is set to be the default. > > This I think is pending a lot of different factors so I don't know that > we can assure this for FC7. With the main factor being our contributions, I think we should soon restart working on Echo, calling for contributors, spreading the word about it and, why not, generating some hype. > * New wallpaper, login screen derived from Mola/Mizmo ideas that needs > to match Echo theme > > I don't think the theming work has to be made to match Echo. I think as > long as it incorporates the Fedora blue colors they'll go well together > just fine. Indeed, blue is enough. > I'm also not sure what ideas you're referring to :) We should probably > resurrect the theming brainstorming page [1], update it for FC7 and add > some of the things that have been proposed since then (I remember some > cool things discussed on the list wrt FC7 a month or so ago.) I think we should do a completely new look for FC7 and have the FC6, FC5 themes included as options. How this look would be? We can start right now getting ideas and mockups. > * Legacy artwork from Fedora Core 4 to Fedora Core 6 should be added for > users looking to have them. Packaging them in Fedora Extras might be a > good way. > > That's a cool idea, but is it then okay to have the release numbers in > the artwork? (Would be weird to have FC6-specific artwork in FC7, for > example?) Should we make it a policy to leave release numbers out? > (makes it impossible then to come up with release-version specific > artwork such as the c6re [2] logo.) As said above, we should realize we can't please everybody with a certain theme and include a few older themes as options. Definitely those legacy themes should not have release numbers. > * It appears Cairo engine is very stable. It will be be nice to for some > people to generate an enhanced Clearlook theme for Fedora Core 7. > > Developing a theme is pretty difficult & time-consuming but if we can > get some good mockups early on then it'd be easier to hit FC7. I would stay close to the default GNOME theme but add some small tweaks, like _slightly_ change the colors (the blue shade of the windows title) to have at the same time something close to upstream (easy to maintain) and a personalized look. > * Since there is a lot KDE users, provide the artworks to smoothly blend > with Gnome applications. > > I'm not sure what you mean by smoothly blend with GNOME applications? Do > you mean the theming work for GNOME should also be done for KDE? Is > anybody on the list a KDE user or knowledgable about KDE such they could > advise us on this? AFAIK, FC7 has the target to "unleash KDE" (http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/UnleashKDE) so maybe we need some input from those people. Sorry, I don't know anything else about KDE. > * Making Anaconda look very pleasant without compromising the performance. > > I'm not sure what you mean here - the colors available? The design of > the screens? Some things there isn't a whole lot there can be done about > because of technical limitations. If there are specific issues we want > to target let's create a list and I can discuss it with Jeremy Katz and > see how much is possible. If we change the icon theme and GTK theme in the distro, of course Anaconda will have to use those. Beside this and using the yet to be defined graphic identity of FC7 in Anaconda banners, I don't see anything else we should do. -- nicu Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Tue Oct 17 06:15:18 2006 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2006 09:15:18 +0300 Subject: Official Fedora Core 6 media labels In-Reply-To: <4533AD2B.3090508@redhat.com> References: <4533AD2B.3090508@redhat.com> Message-ID: <453474F6.7070505@nicubunu.ro> M?ir?n Duffy wrote: > > I just uploaded the labels I put together for Max & Jack here: > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/CDArt > > The sleeve now corresponds with the 3D art Mola did for the release and > the DVD label has the original DNA strand artwork. I'm attaching larger > PNGs of the artwork so you can take a look. I think this design is clearly better compared with your old one which "won" the vote (I abstained from that vote as I din not liked enough any of the candidates and was not able to come myself with something better). > In general, as a team I think we're making great progress - we've gotten > community artwork into the distro for the first time which I think is a > big step. To get better though, we need better organization. For the > DVD/CD artwork, for example, I think we should have a single person as > 'owner' to organize the work so there's less chaos/confusion and so it's > done on time and in the right format. I think for all artwork maybe we > could try to hold critiques/review sessions to hash out the issues > before it's too late to use the artwork. I hope you are less frustrated with the way our project is going, take a more active leadership, kick our lazy asses and put us to work :D > How long do we have until FC 7? ;-) Let's up it a notch for then! Yup, we should not wait the FC6 release, the after-release party and the after-party hangover and recovery to start working on FC7 graphics, we can do it right now. -- nicu Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From jjmasek at gmail.com Tue Oct 17 12:28:50 2006 From: jjmasek at gmail.com (Jiri Jakub Masek) Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2006 14:28:50 +0200 Subject: Official Fedora Core 6 media labels In-Reply-To: <453474F6.7070505@nicubunu.ro> References: <4533AD2B.3090508@redhat.com> <453474F6.7070505@nicubunu.ro> Message-ID: Hi, I read the messages, may be I didn't undestand them 100%, only what I want to say is that I need for my work the list of specifications for a set of graphics at the first. Yes, anything of list is done, but I'm not sure if it is all. JJM On 10/17/06, Nicu Buculei wrote: > > M?ir?n Duffy wrote: > > > > I just uploaded the labels I put together for Max & Jack here: > > > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/CDArt > > > > The sleeve now corresponds with the 3D art Mola did for the release and > > the DVD label has the original DNA strand artwork. I'm attaching larger > > PNGs of the artwork so you can take a look. > > I think this design is clearly better compared with your old one which > "won" the vote (I abstained from that vote as I din not liked enough any > of the candidates and was not able to come myself with something better). > > > In general, as a team I think we're making great progress - we've gotten > > community artwork into the distro for the first time which I think is a > > big step. To get better though, we need better organization. For the > > DVD/CD artwork, for example, I think we should have a single person as > > 'owner' to organize the work so there's less chaos/confusion and so it's > > done on time and in the right format. I think for all artwork maybe we > > could try to hold critiques/review sessions to hash out the issues > > before it's too late to use the artwork. > > I hope you are less frustrated with the way our project is going, take a > more active leadership, kick our lazy asses and put us to work :D > > > How long do we have until FC 7? ;-) Let's up it a notch for then! > > Yup, we should not wait the FC6 release, the after-release party and the > after-party hangover and recovery to start working on FC7 graphics, we > can do it right now. > > -- > nicu > Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ > Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org > my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list > -- I'm still learning English... Ji?? Jakub Ma?ek - Mr Jiri Jakub Masek Czech Republic, European Union -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Tue Oct 17 12:47:03 2006 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2006 15:47:03 +0300 Subject: Official Fedora Core 6 media labels In-Reply-To: References: <4533AD2B.3090508@redhat.com> <453474F6.7070505@nicubunu.ro> Message-ID: <4534D0C7.9090809@nicubunu.ro> Jiri Jakub Masek wrote: > Hi, I read the messages, may be I didn't undestand them 100%, only what > I want to say is that I need for my work the list of specifications > for a set of graphics at the first. Yes, anything of list is done, but > I'm not sure if it is all. This is the list of specifications we have so far: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/ThemingOverview My suggestion is to not get carried away and create a complete theme, do some sketches or mockups, present ideas to people, get feedback as early as possible, ask for help. Do not waste a lot of efforts without positive feedback from other people, we don't want you to get burned. Also keep in mind that whatever theme will end in FC7, it will be made into the final form by a *team* - see FC6 as an example: Mairin got the DNA metaphor, Mola the 3D rendering, Diana final polish and the rest of us feedback and after the theme got in the distro, the team started to produce derivative materials: Firefox start page, CD/DVD labels etc. Speaking of that, how about some DNA themed web banners and buttons? -- nicu Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From iamseawolf at gmail.com Tue Oct 17 13:04:51 2006 From: iamseawolf at gmail.com (seawolf) Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2006 14:04:51 +0100 Subject: Thinking ahead: some FC7 ideas In-Reply-To: <453472E1.3070501@nicubunu.ro> References: <4533B897.1080803@redhat.com> <453472E1.3070501@nicubunu.ro> Message-ID: <9c3bfa1d0610170604m6e70b47aladab1e83ec8e490d@mail.gmail.com> On 17/10/06, Nicu Buculei wrote: > M?ir?n Duffy wrote: > > Luya Tshimbalanga wrote: > > > > * Echo development icons is set to be the default. > > > > This I think is pending a lot of different factors so I don't know that > > we can assure this for FC7. > > With the main factor being our contributions, I think we should soon > restart working on Echo, calling for contributors, spreading the word > about it and, why not, generating some hype. > > > * New wallpaper, login screen derived from Mola/Mizmo ideas that needs > > to match Echo theme > > > > I don't think the theming work has to be made to match Echo. I think as > > long as it incorporates the Fedora blue colors they'll go well together > > just fine. > > Indeed, blue is enough. > > > I'm also not sure what ideas you're referring to :) We should probably > > resurrect the theming brainstorming page [1], update it for FC7 and add > > some of the things that have been proposed since then (I remember some > > cool things discussed on the list wrt FC7 a month or so ago.) > > I think we should do a completely new look for FC7 and have the FC6, FC5 > themes included as options. How this look would be? We can start right > now getting ideas and mockups. > > > * Legacy artwork from Fedora Core 4 to Fedora Core 6 should be added for > > users looking to have them. Packaging them in Fedora Extras might be a > > good way. > > > > That's a cool idea, but is it then okay to have the release numbers in > > the artwork? (Would be weird to have FC6-specific artwork in FC7, for > > example?) Should we make it a policy to leave release numbers out? > > (makes it impossible then to come up with release-version specific > > artwork such as the c6re [2] logo.) > > As said above, we should realize we can't please everybody with a > certain theme and include a few older themes as options. > Definitely those legacy themes should not have release numbers. > > > * It appears Cairo engine is very stable. It will be be nice to for some > > people to generate an enhanced Clearlook theme for Fedora Core 7. > > > > Developing a theme is pretty difficult & time-consuming but if we can > > get some good mockups early on then it'd be easier to hit FC7. > > I would stay close to the default GNOME theme but add some small tweaks, > like _slightly_ change the colors (the blue shade of the windows title) > to have at the same time something close to upstream (easy to maintain) > and a personalized look. > > > * Since there is a lot KDE users, provide the artworks to smoothly blend > > with Gnome applications. > > > > I'm not sure what you mean by smoothly blend with GNOME applications? Do > > you mean the theming work for GNOME should also be done for KDE? Is > > anybody on the list a KDE user or knowledgable about KDE such they could > > advise us on this? > > AFAIK, FC7 has the target to "unleash KDE" > (http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/UnleashKDE) so maybe we need some input > from those people. Sorry, I don't know anything else about KDE. > > > * Making Anaconda look very pleasant without compromising the performance. > > > > I'm not sure what you mean here - the colors available? The design of > > the screens? Some things there isn't a whole lot there can be done about > > because of technical limitations. If there are specific issues we want > > to target let's create a list and I can discuss it with Jeremy Katz and > > see how much is possible. > > If we change the icon theme and GTK theme in the distro, of course > Anaconda will have to use those. Beside this and using the yet to be > defined graphic identity of FC7 in Anaconda banners, I don't see > anything else we should do. > > -- > nicu > Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ > Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org > my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list > -- ..// seawolf //.. Ben Arnold e-mail / msn / icq / yahoo iamseawolf (at) gmail (dot) com http://clik.to/seawolfsanctuary fedora core : artwork GnuPG Available - ask me! From iamseawolf at gmail.com Tue Oct 17 13:13:51 2006 From: iamseawolf at gmail.com (seawolf) Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2006 14:13:51 +0100 Subject: Thinking ahead: some FC7 ideas In-Reply-To: <9c3bfa1d0610170604m6e70b47aladab1e83ec8e490d@mail.gmail.com> References: <4533B897.1080803@redhat.com> <453472E1.3070501@nicubunu.ro> <9c3bfa1d0610170604m6e70b47aladab1e83ec8e490d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <9c3bfa1d0610170613j496eea62o593e954f20ebfb1e@mail.gmail.com> Let's try that one again :-) On 17/10/06, Luya Tshimbalanga wrote: > > * Since there is a lot KDE users, provide the artworks to smoothly blend > > with Gnome applications. > > > > I'm not sure what you mean by smoothly blend with GNOME applications? Do > > you mean the theming work for GNOME should also be done for KDE? Is > > anybody on the list a KDE user or knowledgable about KDE such they could > > advise us on this? > > Right. I was thinking to gather desktop environments artists (including > Enlightement) so they can tune the theme for their favorite DE (KDE, > xfce, well all DE available in Extras repository). I think the early part of the development cycle could be bugfixing or something of the sort, especially in the KDE case here, to get things started. I don't know how many FC users on this list are of the K persuasion but it might help if after each name on the contributors page would be their choice of desktop in brackets. This could, as Luya suggested, form a mini group with users that can look at KDE issues rather than concentrating on GNOME ones. I'm one of them, btw. Things like the KDE Bluecurve colour scheme bug in redhat-artwork, for example, ( http://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=115836 ) could be sorted quite quickly, it took me around an hour to simply select the colours from GNOME and convert them into the KDE ones, albeit a little adjustment was needed but the overall effect was there. I feel it's little things that need to make KDE match up with GNOME that will make it become closer to seamless consistancy. If other KDE users will agree, we should set up a wiki page which can act as a buglist for these things along with new ideas - a sort of K-ToDo list. If anyone uses other desktops that come with Fedora (I don't know of them) then it would make it easier to follow. On 17/10/06, Nicu Buculei wrote: > > I'm not sure what you mean by smoothly blend with GNOME applications? Do > > you mean the theming work for GNOME should also be done for KDE? Is > > anybody on the list a KDE user or knowledgable about KDE such they could > > advise us on this? > > AFAIK, FC7 has the target to "unleash KDE" > (http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/UnleashKDE) so maybe we need some input > from those people. Sorry, I don't know anything else about KDE. As for "Unleash KDE", I understand to be a early-stage organisation project where KDE and it's packages will be moved into Extras. This will allow developers and packagers etc. to bring the general quality of both to a higher level as it will have it's own base to work with. It seems a little behind-the-scenes for strict artists to deal with but if, of course, anyone wants to help I'm sure the appropriate people wouldn't say no! From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Tue Oct 17 13:33:56 2006 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2006 16:33:56 +0300 Subject: Thinking ahead: some FC7 ideas In-Reply-To: <9c3bfa1d0610170613j496eea62o593e954f20ebfb1e@mail.gmail.com> References: <4533B897.1080803@redhat.com> <453472E1.3070501@nicubunu.ro> <9c3bfa1d0610170604m6e70b47aladab1e83ec8e490d@mail.gmail.com> <9c3bfa1d0610170613j496eea62o593e954f20ebfb1e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4534DBC4.7040005@nicubunu.ro> seawolf wrote: > > I think the early part of the development cycle could be bugfixing or > something of the sort, especially in the KDE case here, to get things I see bugfixing as an ongoing activity, parallel to the new theme development. > started. I don't know how many FC users on this list are of the K > persuasion but it might help if after each name on the contributors > page would be their choice of desktop in brackets. This could, as Luya Why limit it to listing the choice of desktop? Better each of us can list his areas of interest and put it in a centralized place (http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/Contributors) not on personal pages. > suggested, form a mini group with users that can look at KDE issues > rather than concentrating on GNOME ones. I'm one of them, btw. -- nicu Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From iamseawolf at gmail.com Tue Oct 17 13:40:39 2006 From: iamseawolf at gmail.com (seawolf) Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2006 14:40:39 +0100 Subject: Thinking ahead: some FC7 ideas In-Reply-To: <4534DBC4.7040005@nicubunu.ro> References: <4533B897.1080803@redhat.com> <453472E1.3070501@nicubunu.ro> <9c3bfa1d0610170604m6e70b47aladab1e83ec8e490d@mail.gmail.com> <9c3bfa1d0610170613j496eea62o593e954f20ebfb1e@mail.gmail.com> <4534DBC4.7040005@nicubunu.ro> Message-ID: <9c3bfa1d0610170640r1e8c3b3ex83b9c96beedfcfdc@mail.gmail.com> Barely moments ago, Nicu Buculei wrote: > I see bugfixing as an ongoing activity, parallel to the new theme > development. True, my thinking was if KDE users had a starting point to the dev cyc, bug fixes could be good, just to get the wheels rolling. > Why limit it to listing the choice of desktop? Better each of us can > list his areas of interest and put it in a centralized place > (http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/Contributors) not on personal pages. True, it can be one of many things. How about specialities, direct e-mail links or other stuff? This could be decieded at a later date on a separate thread as it's not hugely important. -- ..// seawolf //.. Ben Arnold e-mail / msn / icq / yahoo iamseawolf (at) gmail (dot) com http://clik.to/seawolfsanctuary fedora core : artwork GnuPG Available - ask me! From duffy at redhat.com Tue Oct 17 13:55:26 2006 From: duffy at redhat.com (=?UTF-8?B?TcOhaXLDrW4gRHVmZnk=?=) Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2006 09:55:26 -0400 Subject: GTK Theme for FC7 (was Re: Thinking ahead: some FC7 ideas) In-Reply-To: References: <4533B897.1080803@redhat.com> Message-ID: <4534E0CE.4040801@redhat.com> Leo wrote: > On Mon, 16/10/06 17:51 +0100, M?ir?n Duffy wrote: >> Developing a theme is pretty difficult & time-consuming but if we can >> get some good mockups early on then it'd be easier to hit FC7. >> > > I'd suggest "Murrine GTK2 Cairo Engine"?. I have been using > MurrinaGilouche? which is based on this engine. Tweaking an existing > theme is much less time consuming and is deliverable. Hey, I really like Murrine! What does everybody else think?: http://www.gnome-look.org/content/show.php?content=42755 http://www.gnome-look.org/content/show.php?content=44510 > It's odd to see the discussion of metacity and gtk2 themes off the > table for FC6. Is it really that odd when the final release date is in two days (19 Oct) ? > And I think they are the most important elements > because for one thing they are what users see 99% of their time using > computer. As hibernation/suspension works quite well now, most of the > people may see their login screen once a month and grub splash screen > once half a year. Gentle GNOME was brought up for discussion [1, 2] back in July but was met with mixed reviews so we didn't go for it. If anybody else had proposed something back then, we could have been considered it. So it's not that it was never on the table, it's that nobody spoke up with a strong preference. So speak up, everybody! :) ~m From duffy at redhat.com Tue Oct 17 14:08:25 2006 From: duffy at redhat.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?M=E1ir=EDn_Duffy?=) Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2006 10:08:25 -0400 Subject: Thinking ahead: some FC7 ideas In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4534E3D9.6030102@redhat.com> Luya Tshimbalanga wrote: > Given there is not a schedule for FC7, it would be a good opportunity to > work on icons rather than waiting. Is anybody waiting to work on them? If anyone wants to work on them and help the effort, then by all means go ahead. I didn't know that anyone was waiting and I wasn't proposing that they should. >> * Legacy artwork from Fedora Core 4 to Fedora Core 6 should be added for >> users looking to have them. Packaging them in Fedora Extras might be a >> good way. >> >> That's a cool idea, but is it then okay to have the release numbers in >> the artwork? (Would be weird to have FC6-specific artwork in FC7, for >> example?) Should we make it a policy to leave release numbers out? >> (makes it impossible then to come up with release-version specific >> artwork such as the c6re [2] logo.) > > It does not need to have release numbers. Simply add a description of > the artwork. I think you misunderstood me...? What I mean is, for the future, should we set a policy of not integrating the release numbers in the artwork so folks can use whichever theme from whichever release without worrying about version numbers specifically being on the artwork? Right now we do not have such a policy. We have in the past, in the early days of Fedora, I think because we weren't sure if there would be time to do artwork for each release so we didn't want a new release stuck with the old releases' number all over it. Is this what you are proposing - reinstituting the 'no release numbers in artwork' policy? >> * It appears Cairo engine is very stable. It will be be nice to for some >> people to generate an enhanced Clearlook theme for Fedora Core 7. >> >> Developing a theme is pretty difficult & time-consuming but if we can >> get some good mockups early on then it'd be easier to hit FC7. >> > > True. We could take a example from > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/ThemeConcepts . It will be nice to > provide a tutorial for artists who never designed a desktop theme. There's the one example there that I brought up back in July that nobody seemed too crazy over. There are already some good GTK and metacity theming tutorials around the web. Here are some good ones: http://developer.gnome.org/doc/tutorials/metacity/metacity-themes.html http://live.gnome.org/GnomeArt/Tutorials/GtkThemes http://live.gnome.org/GnomeArt/Tutorials/GtkEngines I can add these to the wiki. But honestly, and I've said this before, if anybody has a kickass theme mockup, just a flat picture in vector format (bitmap could be ok too if it's high enough resolution), I personally would be willing to try to at least make a pixmap theme out of it so we could try it out. Please don't let technical limitations or implementation complexity discourage you from mocking up something cool - because there's always a way to actually build something given the design we're building towards is truly kick-ass. >> * Since there is a lot KDE users, provide the artworks to smoothly blend >> with Gnome applications. >> >> I'm not sure what you mean by smoothly blend with GNOME applications? Do >> you mean the theming work for GNOME should also be done for KDE? Is >> anybody on the list a KDE user or knowledgable about KDE such they could >> advise us on this? > > Right. We would like to avoid conflicts from desktop environment as > possible (the inevitable complain how X DE looks better than Y in > fanatic perspective). It will be great to get people working from > different DE like xfce, blackbox, enlightment to participate. It is > challenging but I think it is worth a try. Do you want to take up the task of recruiting folks from those communities then? >> * Making Anaconda look very pleasant without compromising the performance. >> >> I'm not sure what you mean here - the colors available? The design of >> the screens? Some things there isn't a whole lot there can be done about >> because of technical limitations. If there are specific issues we want >> to target let's create a list and I can discuss it with Jeremy Katz and >> see how much is possible. > > An example, custom installation screen looks okay but it needs more > polish. Current color can be kept. We will need to get the list of > technical limitations of Anaconda so we can work around them. Now that > Glade3 is released, we need work on that tool to see what can be done or > not. What do you mean by polish? It just seems vague to me. How are you envisioning it looking and how do you specifically see the current look of anaconda not meeting that goal? It's hard to come up with a list of technical limitations without knowing what your goal is. Specifications for artwork is one thing - we can list out the dimensions, color depth, file format, etc requirements for anaconda and I believe they already have been listed in the wiki. But as far as technical limitations for design, you've really got to propose a design before we can definitively list out the technical limitations. Anything is possible, it's just a matter of how much work it would require and what policies it might encroach upon. ~m From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Tue Oct 17 14:15:51 2006 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2006 17:15:51 +0300 Subject: GTK Theme for FC7 (was Re: Thinking ahead: some FC7 ideas) In-Reply-To: <4534E0CE.4040801@redhat.com> References: <4533B897.1080803@redhat.com> <4534E0CE.4040801@redhat.com> Message-ID: <4534E597.8050804@nicubunu.ro> M?ir?n Duffy wrote: > Leo wrote: >> >> I'd suggest "Murrine GTK2 Cairo Engine"?. I have been using >> MurrinaGilouche? which is based on this engine. Tweaking an existing >> theme is much less time consuming and is deliverable. > > Hey, I really like Murrine! What does everybody else think?: > > http://www.gnome-look.org/content/show.php?content=42755 > http://www.gnome-look.org/content/show.php?content=44510 I hate Murrine (not sure why: washed-out colors, crystal look) but like MurrinaGilouche >> It's odd to see the discussion of metacity and gtk2 themes off the >> table for FC6. > > Is it really that odd when the final release date is in two days (19 Oct) ? Yes, is odd to discuss those things so late -- nicu Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Tue Oct 17 14:21:42 2006 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2006 17:21:42 +0300 Subject: Thinking ahead: some FC7 ideas In-Reply-To: <4534E3D9.6030102@redhat.com> References: <4534E3D9.6030102@redhat.com> Message-ID: <4534E6F6.5060300@nicubunu.ro> M?ir?n Duffy wrote: > > I think you misunderstood me...? What I mean is, for the future, should > we set a policy of not integrating the release numbers in the artwork so > folks can use whichever theme from whichever release without worrying > about version numbers specifically being on the artwork? > > Right now we do not have such a policy. We have in the past, in the > early days of Fedora, I think because we weren't sure if there would be > time to do artwork for each release so we didn't want a new release > stuck with the old releases' number all over it. > > Is this what you are proposing - reinstituting the 'no release numbers > in artwork' policy? I would say NO release numbers on wallpaper, GDM, grub and GNOME splash (I hope we will kill the GNOME splash) but maybe WITH release numbers on anaconda and browser start page. -- nicu Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From iamseawolf at gmail.com Tue Oct 17 14:33:28 2006 From: iamseawolf at gmail.com (seawolf) Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2006 15:33:28 +0100 Subject: GTK Theme for FC7 (was Re: Thinking ahead: some FC7 ideas) In-Reply-To: <4534E597.8050804@nicubunu.ro> References: <4533B897.1080803@redhat.com> <4534E0CE.4040801@redhat.com> <4534E597.8050804@nicubunu.ro> Message-ID: <9c3bfa1d0610170733j1cb5ee5dja85c640776f2cf2a@mail.gmail.com> On 17/10/06, Nicu Buculei wrote: > M?ir?n Duffy wrote: > > Leo wrote: > > http://www.gnome-look.org/content/show.php?content=42755 > > http://www.gnome-look.org/content/show.php?content=44510 > > I hate Murrine (not sure why: washed-out colors, crystal look) but like > MurrinaGilouche I agree, I think it has a pale quality to it which might, if ysed for Fedora, some focus off elements like the new bright and beautiful icons ;-) Something with a little more contrast, say, oooo the second one? I reckon the standard (slightly bolder) fontswould work well with it. I also like rounded corners :) If the rest of the artwork was a bit more gentle in tone then Murrrine might work but, for me, it doesn't. On 17/10/06, M?ir?n Duffy wrote: > Gentle GNOME was brought up for discussion [1, 2] back in July but was > met with mixed reviews so we didn't go for it. If anybody else had > proposed something back then, we could have been considered it. So it's > not that it was never on the table, it's that nobody spoke up with a > strong preference. So speak up, everybody! :) M?ir?n, did you mean to put different links with this - the [1,2] suggest so. -- ..// seawolf //.. Ben Arnold e-mail / msn / icq / yahoo iamseawolf (at) gmail (dot) com http://clik.to/seawolfsanctuary fedora core : artwork GnuPG Available - ask me! From sdl.web at gmail.com Tue Oct 17 16:14:44 2006 From: sdl.web at gmail.com (Leo) Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2006 17:14:44 +0100 Subject: GTK Theme for FC7 References: <4533B897.1080803@redhat.com> <4534E0CE.4040801@redhat.com> <4534E597.8050804@nicubunu.ro> Message-ID: On Tue, 17/10/06 15:15 +0100, Nicu Buculei wrote: > M?ir?n Duffy wrote: >> Leo wrote: >>> >>> I'd suggest "Murrine GTK2 Cairo Engine"?. I have been using > >>> MurrinaGilouche? which is based on this engine. Tweaking an existing >>> theme is much less time consuming and is deliverable. >> >> Hey, I really like Murrine! What does everybody else think?: >> >> http://www.gnome-look.org/content/show.php?content=42755 >> http://www.gnome-look.org/content/show.php?content=44510 > > I hate Murrine (not sure why: washed-out colors, crystal look) but > like MurrinaGilouche > Honestly, I only like MurrinaGilouche too. Anyway, if you can list what exactly you don't like about the engine, people (J5?) might be able to help i.e. we could either suggest/contribute to upstream or make a customized one say 'Furrine'. Actually I'd prefer the latter. Ubuntu went all the trouble to create their own gtk2 engine. Now we could see the benefits: whenever people spot a screenshot, they will instantly recognize what distribution that is running. [...] Regards, -- Leo From duffy at redhat.com Tue Oct 17 16:24:03 2006 From: duffy at redhat.com (=?UTF-8?B?TcOhaXLDrW4gRHVmZnk=?=) Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2006 12:24:03 -0400 Subject: FC 7 Theme - How to Play (was Re: Official Fedora Core 6 media labels) In-Reply-To: <4534D0C7.9090809@nicubunu.ro> References: <4533AD2B.3090508@redhat.com> <453474F6.7070505@nicubunu.ro> <4534D0C7.9090809@nicubunu.ro> Message-ID: <453503A3.2000305@redhat.com> Nicu Buculei wrote: > Jiri Jakub Masek wrote: >> Hi, I read the messages, may be I didn't undestand them 100%, only >> what I want to say is that I need for my work the list of specifications >> for a set of graphics at the first. Yes, anything of list is done, but >> I'm not sure if it is all. > > This is the list of specifications we have so far: > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/ThemingOverview > > My suggestion is to not get carried away and create a complete theme, do > some sketches or mockups, present ideas to people, get feedback as early > as possible, ask for help. Do not waste a lot of efforts without > positive feedback from other people, we don't want you to get burned. Yep, let me second that! Anyone who wants to propose a design for the theme, come up with a name for it and send a proposal to the list using the following email subject format: [FC7 theme proposal] (name of theme) Round 1 An example: "[FC7 theme proposal] Fedora DNA Round 1" Attach/link to any sketches / mockups / etc you've come up with and a write-up of the concept (don't spend too much time on them, we'll focus on the concept first and then worry about the rendering.) You may also submit artwork folks other than yourself have made for consideration, if you get their permission and the artwork is openly-licensed (if you are not sure please check!) Here's an important guideline for the theme concepts: - No release numbers! For each proposal let's have a critique here on the list. When a proposal receives 5 critiques the artist (or any other folks participating on the list) should send a modified version in a fresh thread ('[FC7 theme proposal] (name of theme) Round 2') Let's view this as more of a photoshop tennis exercise - the theme shouldn't be any one person's baby, it's a team effort. So remix away! Here's the guidelines for critiques: - Be very specific with your feedback. "I like it" is not acceptable. "I really like how it makes the use of the Fedora blue color, it's bright and conveys a positive feeling" is much better. - For the 1st round of critiques, try not to focus on the rendering. Focus the meat of the critique on the concept. You may also include rendering critiques, but be sure to be specific! Statements like "it's not polished" are too vague and won't help us polish it. - Each critique must include at least one sketch/mockup modification, or a link/reference to another piece of work to help you explain your critique. Visual feedback is important! - If you've submitted a proposal you should submit a critique to another, different proposal. Our users view the distro as professional but the folks that work on it view it as cutting-edge, so keep these in mind when coming up with a theme and critiquing a theme. I'm going to set a date of December 4 (that's a Monday) as the deadline for all proposals. ~m From sdl.web at gmail.com Tue Oct 17 16:34:50 2006 From: sdl.web at gmail.com (Leo) Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2006 17:34:50 +0100 Subject: GTK Theme for FC7 (was Re: Thinking ahead: some FC7 ideas) References: <4533B897.1080803@redhat.com> <4534E0CE.4040801@redhat.com> <4534E597.8050804@nicubunu.ro> <9c3bfa1d0610170733j1cb5ee5dja85c640776f2cf2a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 17/10/06 15:33 +0100, seawolf wrote: [...] >> I hate Murrine (not sure why: washed-out colors, crystal look) but like >> MurrinaGilouche > > I agree, I think it has a pale quality to it which might, if ysed for > Fedora, some focus off elements like the new bright and beautiful > icons ;-) > Something with a little more contrast, say, oooo the second one? I > reckon the standard (slightly bolder) fontswould work well with it. I > also like rounded corners :) > Are these comments on the engine which is called Murrine or the gtk2 theme MurrinaGilouche? The rounded corners belongs to metacity theme, I guess. -- Leo From duffy at redhat.com Tue Oct 17 16:37:02 2006 From: duffy at redhat.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?M=E1ir=EDn_Duffy?=) Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2006 12:37:02 -0400 Subject: GTK Theme for FC7 (was Re: Thinking ahead: some FC7 ideas) In-Reply-To: References: <4533B897.1080803@redhat.com> <4534E0CE.4040801@redhat.com> <4534E597.8050804@nicubunu.ro> <9c3bfa1d0610170733j1cb5ee5dja85c640776f2cf2a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <453506AE.4030500@redhat.com> Leo wrote: > Are these comments on the engine which is called Murrine or the gtk2 > theme MurrinaGilouche? > > The rounded corners belongs to metacity theme, I guess. Let's use a single screenshot as a reference so the feedback is for the same thing? Which screenshot would you like folks to refer to, Leo? ~m From sdl.web at gmail.com Tue Oct 17 16:44:22 2006 From: sdl.web at gmail.com (Leo) Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2006 17:44:22 +0100 Subject: GTK Theme for FC7 (was Re: Thinking ahead: some FC7 ideas) References: <4533B897.1080803@redhat.com> <4534E0CE.4040801@redhat.com> Message-ID: I attached the Murrine engine that I have been using in FC5 so that it's easier for others to try out those themes based on it. *More themes:* http://cimi.netsons.org/pages/murrine/themes.php -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Which screenshot would you like folks to refer to, > Leo? > > ~m Let's focus on the gtk2 theme for the moment. I change the metacity theme to Bluecurve. And here is the screenshot. Please comment on this one. http://img206.imageshack.us/img206/5755/murrinagilouchefz8.png -- Leo From stevelist at silverorange.com Tue Oct 17 17:20:14 2006 From: stevelist at silverorange.com (Steven Garrity) Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2006 14:20:14 -0300 Subject: GTK Theme for FC7 (was Re: Thinking ahead: some FC7 ideas) In-Reply-To: References: <4533B897.1080803@redhat.com> <4534E0CE.4040801@redhat.com> <4534E597.8050804@nicubunu.ro> <9c3bfa1d0610170733j1cb5ee5dja85c640776f2cf2a@mail.gmail.com> <453506AE.4030500@redhat.com> Message-ID: <453510CE.6080201@silverorange.com> > Let's focus on the gtk2 theme for the moment. I change the metacity > theme to Bluecurve. And here is the screenshot. Please comment on this > one. > http://img206.imageshack.us/img206/5755/murrinagilouchefz8.png +1 for MurrinaGilouche. I though I'd miss rounded corners on things (buttons, scrollbars, etc.) and they still might be nice to have, but I've been using MurrinaGilouche for a day or two I'm really liking it. Steven Garrity From luya_tfz at thefinalzone.com Tue Oct 17 20:08:15 2006 From: luya_tfz at thefinalzone.com (Luya Tshimbalanga) Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2006 04:08:15 +0800 Subject: GTK Theme for FC7 (was Re: Thinking ahead: some FC7 ideas) Message-ID: > Let's focus on the gtk2 theme for the moment. I change the metacity > theme to Bluecurve. And here is the screenshot. Please comment on this one. > http://img206.imageshack.us/img206/5755/murrinagilouchefz8.png It looks nice. How about changin the sliders making? I would like to get a theme more dynamic similar to this demo: http://www.gnome.org/~seth/blog/xshots Any other theme similar so can get a good comparison? Luya Tshimbalanga -- Fedora Project Contributor http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/LuyaTshimbalanga http://www.fedoranews.org From stb52988 at gmail.com Tue Oct 17 21:17:29 2006 From: stb52988 at gmail.com (Steve Barnhart) Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2006 17:17:29 -0400 Subject: Thinking ahead: some FC7 ideas In-Reply-To: <4534E3D9.6030102@redhat.com> References: <4534E3D9.6030102@redhat.com> Message-ID: <15ce3ec0610171417v1352dd4fj386838c16173aa04@mail.gmail.com> On 10/17/06, M?ir?n Duffy wrote: > I can add these to the wiki. But honestly, and I've said this before, if > anybody has a kickass theme mockup, just a flat picture in vector format > (bitmap could be ok too if it's high enough resolution), I personally > would be willing to try to at least make a pixmap theme out of it so we > could try it out. Please don't let technical limitations or > implementation complexity discourage you from mocking up something cool > - because there's always a way to actually build something given the > design we're building towards is truly kick-ass. http://www.gnome-look.org/content/show.php?content=31128 DO IT! lol I would love to see GNOME go in this direction. -- Steve From duffy at redhat.com Tue Oct 17 21:23:25 2006 From: duffy at redhat.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?M=E1ir=EDn_Duffy?=) Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2006 17:23:25 -0400 Subject: Thinking ahead: some FC7 ideas In-Reply-To: <15ce3ec0610171417v1352dd4fj386838c16173aa04@mail.gmail.com> References: <4534E3D9.6030102@redhat.com> <15ce3ec0610171417v1352dd4fj386838c16173aa04@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <453549CD.5020608@redhat.com> Steve Barnhart wrote: > On 10/17/06, M?ir?n Duffy wrote: >> Please don't let technical limitations or >> implementation complexity discourage you from mocking up something cool >> - because there's always a way to actually build something given the >> design we're building towards is truly kick-ass. > > > http://www.gnome-look.org/content/show.php?content=31128 DO IT! lol I > would love to see GNOME go in this direction. :-/ I like it too, but this was brought up before and folks didn't seem too in favor of it: https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-art-list/2006-July/msg00020.html ~m From stb52988 at gmail.com Tue Oct 17 21:30:14 2006 From: stb52988 at gmail.com (Steve Barnhart) Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2006 17:30:14 -0400 Subject: Thinking ahead: some FC7 ideas In-Reply-To: <453549CD.5020608@redhat.com> References: <4534E3D9.6030102@redhat.com> <15ce3ec0610171417v1352dd4fj386838c16173aa04@mail.gmail.com> <453549CD.5020608@redhat.com> Message-ID: <15ce3ec0610171430l28bc6155x9469165b13e22700@mail.gmail.com> On 10/17/06, M?ir?n Duffy wrote: > Steve Barnhart wrote: > > On 10/17/06, M?ir?n Duffy wrote: > >> Please don't let technical limitations or > >> implementation complexity discourage you from mocking up something cool > >> - because there's always a way to actually build something given the > >> design we're building towards is truly kick-ass. > > > > > > http://www.gnome-look.org/content/show.php?content=31128 DO IT! lol I > > would love to see GNOME go in this direction. > > :-/ I like it too, but this was brought up before and folks didn't seem > too in favor of it: > > https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-art-list/2006-July/msg00020.html Hmm idk if it looks different or not. I guess the Clearlooks-blackmod is the closest and I like it, but idk. I REALLY believe Desktop themes need to move away from grey. I feel like I'm still in Windows 9X days. Notice Windows XP..no grey anymore. Everything (dialog boxes etc.) are not grey and the buttons are not plain and grey either. Now clearlooks gets rid of the grey which I like but is also pretty "plain". No animation and the buttons are just a 'blob' so to speak. I would like to see Fedora's themeing move away from grey and incorporate some better technologies. Ahh if only someone could produce a perfect Aqua clone, but someone always messes up at some point. With regards to a KDE theme or theming in general, I do like the Polyester theme[1], if only they got rid of the grey. If someone could change the grey and such to something better I see no reason this can't be made the default theme for FC7 KDE. [1]http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=27968 -- Steve From luya_tfz at thefinalzone.com Tue Oct 17 21:31:21 2006 From: luya_tfz at thefinalzone.com (Luya Tshimbalanga) Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2006 05:31:21 +0800 Subject: Thinking ahead: some FC7 ideas Message-ID: > On 10/17/06, M?ir?n Duffy wrote: > > I can add these to the wiki. But honestly, and I've said this before, if > > anybody has a kickass theme mockup, just a flat picture in vector format > > (bitmap could be ok too if it's high enough resolution), I personally > > would be willing to try to at least make a pixmap theme out of it so we > > could try it out. Please don't let technical limitations or > > implementation complexity discourage you from mocking up something cool > > - because there's always a way to actually build something given the > > design we're building towards is truly kick-ass. > > > http://www.gnome-look.org/content/show.php?content=31128 DO IT! lol I > would love to see GNOME go in this direction. > +1. Time to show how Artwork team can mar cuttier art. On subtle notice, Echo icons with some modifications fit well with this mockup. > > -- > Steve > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list > > Luya Tshimbalanga -- Fedora Project Contributor http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/LuyaTshimbalanga http://www.fedoranews.org From luya_tfz at thefinalzone.com Tue Oct 17 21:34:55 2006 From: luya_tfz at thefinalzone.com (Luya Tshimbalanga) Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2006 05:34:55 +0800 Subject: Thinking ahead: some FC7 ideas Message-ID: > Steve Barnhart wrote: > > On 10/17/06, M?ir?n Duffy wrote: > >> Please don't let technical limitations or > >> implementation complexity discourage you from mocking up something cool > >> - because there's always a way to actually build something given the > >> design we're building towards is truly kick-ass. > > > > > > http://www.gnome-look.org/content/show.php?content=31128 DO IT! lol I > > would love to see GNOME go in this direction. > > :-/ I like it too, but this was brought up before and folks didn't seem > too in favor of it: > > https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-art-list/2006-July/msg00020.html > > ~m However, you can create a mockup based on the critics and made some modifications based on the original. Luya Tshimbalanga -- Fedora Project Contributor http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/LuyaTshimbalanga http://www.fedoranews.org From duffy at redhat.com Tue Oct 17 21:36:29 2006 From: duffy at redhat.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?M=E1ir=EDn_Duffy?=) Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2006 17:36:29 -0400 Subject: Thinking ahead: some FC7 ideas In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <45354CDD.5050209@redhat.com> Luya Tshimbalanga wrote: > However, you can create a mockup based on the critics and made some > modifications based on the original. Gentle GNOME is an actually installable theme. The screenshot on the wiki is an actual screenshot, *not* a mockup. ~m From luya_tfz at thefinalzone.com Tue Oct 17 21:40:44 2006 From: luya_tfz at thefinalzone.com (Luya Tshimbalanga) Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2006 05:40:44 +0800 Subject: Thinking ahead: some FC7 ideas Message-ID: > Steve Barnhart wrote: > > On 10/17/06, M?ir?n Duffy wrote: > >> Please don't let technical limitations or > >> implementation complexity discourage you from mocking up something cool > >> - because there's always a way to actually build something given the > >> design we're building towards is truly kick-ass. > > > > > > http://www.gnome-look.org/content/show.php?content=31128 DO IT! lol I > > would love to see GNOME go in this direction. > > :-/ I like it too, but this was brought up before and folks didn't seem > too in favor of it: > > https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-art-list/2006-July/msg00020.html > > ~m However, you can create a mockup based on the critics and made some modifications based on the original. Luya Tshimbalanga -- Fedora Project Contributor http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/LuyaTshimbalanga http://www.fedoranews.org From jovan_spa at yahoo.de Tue Oct 17 19:24:15 2006 From: jovan_spa at yahoo.de (Jovan Spasojevic) Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2006 21:24:15 +0200 Subject: Artwork Message-ID: <1161113055.5478.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> Hello, i am Webmaster of http://www.fedora-club.de. i have launched a new german (only) Fedora commnity Site.We are teying to import all availible current artworks from fedora of our site to present the users a look an feel of fedora. however can and get permission to use the artworks? bye, jovan Spasojevic http://www.fedora-club.de E-mail: jovan at fedora-club.de -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I don't think the UI should be too pretty as it's such a critical and functional part of the desktop. Just the subtle curves on the button backgrounds s enough to make it pleasant. I'm also for the colouring on the tabs. On 17/10/06, Leo wrote: > Let's focus on the gtk2 theme for the moment. I change the metacity > theme to Bluecurve. And here is the screenshot. Please comment on this > one. > > http://img206.imageshack.us/img206/5755/murrinagilouchefz8.png -- ..// seawolf //.. Ben Arnold e-mail / msn / icq / yahoo iamseawolf (at) gmail (dot) com http://clik.to/seawolfsanctuary fedora core : artwork GnuPG Available - ask me! From sdl.web at gmail.com Wed Oct 18 10:08:59 2006 From: sdl.web at gmail.com (Leo) Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2006 11:08:59 +0100 Subject: GTK Theme for FC7 (was Re: Thinking ahead: some FC7 ideas) References: <4533B897.1080803@redhat.com> <4534E0CE.4040801@redhat.com> <4534E597.8050804@nicubunu.ro> <9c3bfa1d0610170733j1cb5ee5dja85c640776f2cf2a@mail.gmail.com> <453506AE.4030500@redhat.com> <9c3bfa1d0610180231r5175ec92teed204bb0246a017@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 18/10/06 10:31 +0100, seawolf wrote: > Ah, right. It's been a while since I've fiddled with GNOME and I > misundestood: I thought the theme included both bits and we were > considering both. My bad, sorry. We will consider both, of course. But metacity-theme-2? has been in gnome 2.17 and will be in the stable release as well. It will open a new window for themes. > > Asides from the rounded corners to some bits (which, tbh, wouldn't > really fit in with the rest, given square buttons etc) I think it's > got a professional appearence, quite functional. I don't think the UI > should be too pretty as it's such a critical and functional part of > the desktop. Just the subtle curves on the button backgrounds s enough > to make it pleasant. I'm also for the colouring on the tabs. > Thanks for the comments. Footnotes: ? http://marnanel.livejournal.com/919272.html -- Leo From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Wed Oct 18 11:47:21 2006 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2006 14:47:21 +0300 Subject: web graphics Message-ID: <45361449.4040305@nicubunu.ro> Trying to get the ball rolling and people interested I did one simple web banner (standard size, 468x60): http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing/Banners?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=dna-banner.png Beat me with better banners and buttons by uploading them at http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing/Banners Be gentle and use only standard sizes for those graphics, so people not wanting banners can easily block them. Look at SpredFirefox to learn about those standard sizes: http://www.spreadfirefox.com/?q=affiliates/homepage -- nicu Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From duffy at redhat.com Wed Oct 18 16:46:41 2006 From: duffy at redhat.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?M=E1ir=EDn_Duffy?=) Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2006 12:46:41 -0400 Subject: Artwork In-Reply-To: <1161113055.5478.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1161113055.5478.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <45365A71.9010207@redhat.com> Jovan Spasojevic wrote: > i have launched a new german (only) Fedora commnity Site.We are teying > to import all availible current artworks from fedora of our site to > present the users a look an feel of fedora. however can and get > permission to use the artworks? 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The file is such a simple text, please in such cases use TXT, not ODT. I got the "10 reasons" joke, but at 9 I can say: of course it can be a part of a 3D scene. Not sure I see an "F" in ftgram01.svg, it looks more like an "P" to me. -- nicu Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From jjmasek at gmail.com Thu Oct 19 08:54:14 2006 From: jjmasek at gmail.com (Jiri Jakub Masek) Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2006 10:54:14 +0200 Subject: FEDORA TANGRAM - ALL WHAT IS DONE In-Reply-To: <45373A11.5000901@nicubunu.ro> References: <45373A11.5000901@nicubunu.ro> Message-ID: O.K., give me a time to do anything, the image *ladybird* is only one of shapes that can be set with tangram elements, I just used it as link. JJM On 10/19/06, Nicu Buculei wrote: > > Jiri Jakub Masek wrote: > > Hi, here are links to archive file of FEDORA TANGRAM FILES: > > > > http://jjm.xf.cz/index.html - ladybird picture or > > Can you expand your idea a little? > > - How is the ladybird/ladybug related to Fedora other than being made > from your Tangram set? I understand it is a cute and lovable insect > (look only at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Ladybird.jpg) but I > feel something more is needed; > > - I believe I can see a metaphor: a complete Fedora experience is put > together from different parts (Core, Extras, Legacy, Livna) just like > the Tangram pieces. You can also take the parts and form another shapes > (whale, ladybird -> derivative distros). This was your idea? > > > don't forget to read 10reasons file... > > The file is such a simple text, please in such cases use TXT, not ODT. > > I got the "10 reasons" joke, but at 9 I can say: of course it can be a > part of a 3D scene. > > Not sure I see an "F" in ftgram01.svg, it looks more like an "P" to me. > > -- > nicu > Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ > Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org > my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list > -- I'm still learning English... Ji?? Jakub Ma?ek - Mr Jiri Jakub Masek Czech Republic, European Union -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Luya Tshimbalanga -- Fedora Project Contributor http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/LuyaTshimbalanga http://www.fedoranews.org From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Thu Oct 19 10:48:34 2006 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2006 13:48:34 +0300 Subject: Thinking ahead: some FC7 ideas - Initial concept In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <45375802.5090200@nicubunu.ro> Luya Tshimbalanga wrote: > I decided to take some initiative to do a mockup for future Fedora > desktop. Description available on : > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/LuyaTshimbalanga/mockups This is not the first mockup I see where the menu in anchored to the right. I wonder about its usability: Fitts' law states the points closer to the corner are easier to reach, so in this case "Help" is the easiest to reach menu option and the position of "File", which arguably is the most used for some applications, is unpredictable. Can we have input from an usability expert? -- nicu Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From nicolas.mailhot at laposte.net Thu Oct 19 11:07:37 2006 From: nicolas.mailhot at laposte.net (Nicolas Mailhot) Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2006 13:07:37 +0200 (CEST) Subject: Thinking ahead: some FC7 ideas - Initial concept In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <39562.192.54.193.51.1161256057.squirrel@rousalka.dyndns.org> Le Jeu 19 octobre 2006 11:38, Luya Tshimbalanga a ?crit : > I decided to take some initiative to do a mockup for future Fedora > desktop. Description available on : > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/LuyaTshimbalanga/mockups > > You notice some texts are missing but the concept only gives some > glimpses about the desktop. SVG version is available for modifications. > Feedback and constructive critics are welcome. Some feedback : 1. the blue used is much too agressive, while I agree we should move away from gray-only the UI should stay unobstrusive, quiet and out-of-the-way. 2. the proposed title/menu bars are much too wasteful of space. It may work for a simple app like nautilus but won't for dense ones like OO.o and the Gimp. The design must accomodate the text the app displays at the size the user chose, and not the reverse. I'm sorry if I may sound harsh, but your proposal seems typical of the screenshot-oriented design approch which fares so bad in real life. For this kind of endeavour usability concerns should be the priority and art take the back seat. Please do work through the usability SIG. A dull concept won't kill us. A hard-to-use one certainly will. Regards, -- Nicolas Mailhot From mola at c100c.com Thu Oct 19 00:17:42 2006 From: mola at c100c.com (Mola Pahnadayan) Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2006 03:47:42 +0330 Subject: Web banner Message-ID: <1161217062.18842.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: fedora_art.png Type: image/png Size: 37688 bytes Desc: not available URL: From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Thu Oct 19 13:24:33 2006 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2006 16:24:33 +0300 Subject: Web banner In-Reply-To: <1161217062.18842.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1161217062.18842.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <45377C91.7030407@nicubunu.ro> Mola Pahnadayan wrote: > I like it, it look very cool. It made me to try a blue variation (attached). I have two concerns with it as a *web* banner: - image size is 740x100 instead of a standard size, 468x60 or 600x120; - file size matters on the web, I optimized a little and reduced file size from 36.8KB to 14.9KB (also attached). As a general banner, would it not be better using the official logotype? -- nicu Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: fedora_art_blue.png Type: image/png Size: 13627 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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It made me to try a blue variation > (attached). > > I have two concerns with it as a *web* banner: > - image size is 740x100 instead of a standard size, 468x60 or 600x120; > - file size matters on the web, I optimized a little and reduced file > size from 36.8KB to 14.9KB (also attached). > > As a general banner, would it not be better using the official logotype? > > -- > nicu > Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ > Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org > my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro > > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list > > > > -- I'm still learning English... Ji?? Jakub Ma?ek - Mr Jiri Jakub Masek Czech Republic, European Union -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Actually, (so here's where my MS in HCI comes in lol), I am not a big fan of applying Fitts' law to the desktop. I've read the original Fitts paper. Fitts' law was developed to basically figure out mathematically bomb 'target acquisition' (I believe for WWII), I kid you not. It basically says this: The *bigger* a target is (the 'W' in the formula) The *closer* a target is to you (the 'D' in the formula) The more quickly you will hit the mark. The further away and smaller a target, the more time you have to spend aiming to get an accurate shot. So the time is actually aiming time. Where this applies to computer desktop usage - specifically the corners of the screen is the following: Basically, any 'target' along the edge of the monitor is easier to acquire. This is because you can slam your mouse pointer towards any edge of the screen and it will stop for you - it won't go beyond the boundaries of the screen. The corners are supposedly the easiest points on the screen to reach with your mouse because you slam the mouse pointer towards a corner and *both* edges will 'stop' the pointer. (The corner is easier as a single point to hit than a single point along the edge because you have left-right jitter to worry about in your aiming along the edge. With the corner you dont have that jitter because you have two edges stopping the cursor. If a target along the edge is large enough, though, it really isn't an issue.) From all this, the hardest point on the screen to hit at any given point is relative to the starting mouse cursor position. This can be applied in thinking about the placement of different menu items/buttons used in a single task, but in general isn't really applicable. So! To get back to the point - Fitts' law isn't really a good argument against the placement of the menu items in Luya's mockup, but convention is a good argument against it. People are used to that menu being in the upper left. I'm sure over time they'll get used to using it but the more we stray from established conventions the harder Fedora is going to be to adopt. ~m From dimitris at glezos.com Thu Oct 19 13:56:27 2006 From: dimitris at glezos.com (Dimitris Glezos) Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2006 14:56:27 +0100 Subject: Web banner In-Reply-To: <1161217062.18842.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1161217062.18842.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <4537840B.7080403@glezos.com> You may find a draft DNA-theme-based banner I prepared at: http://fedoraproject.gr/ -d -- Dimitris Glezos Jabber ID: glezos at jabber.org, PGP: 0xA5A04C3B http://dimitris.glezos.com/ "He who gives up functionality for ease of use loses both and deserves neither." (Anonymous) -- From luya_tfz at thefinalzone.com Thu Oct 19 17:33:00 2006 From: luya_tfz at thefinalzone.com (Luya Tshimbalanga) Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2006 01:33:00 +0800 Subject: Thinking ahead: some FC7 ideas - Initial concept Message-ID: > Some feedback : > 1. the blue used is much too agressive, while I agree we should move away > from gray-only the UI should stay unobstrusive, quiet and out-of-the-way. I agree, I was just extract most of idas I got. > 2. the proposed title/menu bars are much too wasteful of space. It may > work for a simple app like nautilus but won't for dense ones like OO.o and > the Gimp. The design must accomodate the text the app displays at the size > the user chose, and not the reverse. It might be true for the Gimp but work fine with OO.oBe in mind the draft is just a study to see what is possible or not. > I'm sorry if I may sound harsh, but your proposal seems typical of the > screenshot-oriented design approch which fares so bad in real life. For > this kind of endeavour usability concerns should be the priority and art > take the back seat. Please do work through the usability SIG. A dull > concept won't kill us. A hard-to-use one certainly will. Nah, you not harsh. Getting this kind of critcs motivates determinated people. the concept is not great and I aimed to active contributor to brainstorm thier ideas while it's fresh. Luya Tshimbalanga -- Fedora Project Contributor http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/LuyaTshimbalanga http://www.fedoranews.org From luya_tfz at thefinalzone.com Thu Oct 19 17:39:53 2006 From: luya_tfz at thefinalzone.com (Luya Tshimbalanga) Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2006 01:39:53 +0800 Subject: Thinking ahead: some FC7 ideas - Initial concept Message-ID: > Some feedback : > 1. the blue used is much too agressive, while I agree we should move away > from gray-only the UI should stay unobstrusive, quiet and out-of-the-way. I agree, I was just extract most of idas I got. > 2. the proposed title/menu bars are much too wasteful of space. It may > work for a simple app like nautilus but won't for dense ones like OO.o and > the Gimp. The design must accomodate the text the app displays at the size > the user chose, and not the reverse. It might be true for the Gimp but work fine with OO.oBe in mind the draft is just a study to see what is possible or not. > I'm sorry if I may sound harsh, but your proposal seems typical of the > screenshot-oriented design approch which fares so bad in real life. For > this kind of endeavour usability concerns should be the priority and art > take the back seat. Please do work through the usability SIG. A dull > concept won't kill us. A hard-to-use one certainly will. Nah, you not harsh. Getting this kind of critcs motivates determinated people. the concept is not great and I aimed to active contributor to brainstorm thier ideas while it's fresh. Luya Tshimbalanga -- Fedora Project Contributor http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/LuyaTshimbalanga http://www.fedoranews.org From luya_tfz at thefinalzone.com Thu Oct 19 17:40:09 2006 From: luya_tfz at thefinalzone.com (Luya Tshimbalanga) Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2006 01:40:09 +0800 Subject: Thinking ahead: some FC7 ideas - Initial concept Message-ID: > Some feedback : > 1. the blue used is much too agressive, while I agree we should move away > from gray-only the UI should stay unobstrusive, quiet and out-of-the-way. I agree, I was just extract most of idas I got. > 2. the proposed title/menu bars are much too wasteful of space. It may > work for a simple app like nautilus but won't for dense ones like OO.o and > the Gimp. The design must accomodate the text the app displays at the size > the user chose, and not the reverse. It might be true for the Gimp but work fine with OO.oBe in mind the draft is just a study to see what is possible or not. > I'm sorry if I may sound harsh, but your proposal seems typical of the > screenshot-oriented design approch which fares so bad in real life. For > this kind of endeavour usability concerns should be the priority and art > take the back seat. Please do work through the usability SIG. A dull > concept won't kill us. A hard-to-use one certainly will. Nah, you not harsh. Getting this kind of critcs motivates determinated people. the concept is not great and I aimed to active contributor to brainstorm thier ideas while it's fresh. Luya Tshimbalanga -- Fedora Project Contributor http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/LuyaTshimbalanga http://www.fedoranews.org From luya_tfz at thefinalzone.com Thu Oct 19 17:40:54 2006 From: luya_tfz at thefinalzone.com (Luya Tshimbalanga) Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2006 01:40:54 +0800 Subject: Thinking ahead: some FC7 ideas - Initial concept Message-ID: > Some feedback : > 1. the blue used is much too agressive, while I agree we should move away > from gray-only the UI should stay unobstrusive, quiet and out-of-the-way. I agree, I was just extract most of idas I got. > 2. the proposed title/menu bars are much too wasteful of space. It may > work for a simple app like nautilus but won't for dense ones like OO.o and > the Gimp. The design must accomodate the text the app displays at the size > the user chose, and not the reverse. It might be true for the Gimp but work fine with OO.oBe in mind the draft is just a study to see what is possible or not. > I'm sorry if I may sound harsh, but your proposal seems typical of the > screenshot-oriented design approch which fares so bad in real life. For > this kind of endeavour usability concerns should be the priority and art > take the back seat. Please do work through the usability SIG. A dull > concept won't kill us. A hard-to-use one certainly will. Nah, you not harsh. Getting this kind of critcs motivates determinated people. the concept is not great and I aimed to active contributor to brainstorm thier ideas while it's fresh. Luya Tshimbalanga -- Fedora Project Contributor http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/LuyaTshimbalanga http://www.fedoranews.org From luya_tfz at thefinalzone.com Thu Oct 19 17:41:09 2006 From: luya_tfz at thefinalzone.com (Luya Tshimbalanga) Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2006 01:41:09 +0800 Subject: Thinking ahead: some FC7 ideas - Initial concept Message-ID: > Some feedback : > 1. the blue used is much too agressive, while I agree we should move away > from gray-only the UI should stay unobstrusive, quiet and out-of-the-way. I agree, I was just extract most of idas I got. > 2. the proposed title/menu bars are much too wasteful of space. It may > work for a simple app like nautilus but won't for dense ones like OO.o and > the Gimp. The design must accomodate the text the app displays at the size > the user chose, and not the reverse. It might be true for the Gimp but work fine with OO.oBe in mind the draft is just a study to see what is possible or not. > I'm sorry if I may sound harsh, but your proposal seems typical of the > screenshot-oriented design approch which fares so bad in real life. For > this kind of endeavour usability concerns should be the priority and art > take the back seat. Please do work through the usability SIG. A dull > concept won't kill us. A hard-to-use one certainly will. Nah, you not harsh. Getting this kind of critcs motivates determinated people. the concept is not great and I aimed to active contributor to brainstorm thier ideas while it's fresh. Luya Tshimbalanga -- Fedora Project Contributor http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/LuyaTshimbalanga http://www.fedoranews.org From luya_tfz at thefinalzone.com Thu Oct 19 17:41:29 2006 From: luya_tfz at thefinalzone.com (Luya Tshimbalanga) Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2006 01:41:29 +0800 Subject: Thinking ahead: some FC7 ideas - Initial concept Message-ID: > Some feedback : > 1. the blue used is much too agressive, while I agree we should move away > from gray-only the UI should stay unobstrusive, quiet and out-of-the-way. I agree, I was just extract most of idas I got. > 2. the proposed title/menu bars are much too wasteful of space. It may > work for a simple app like nautilus but won't for dense ones like OO.o and > the Gimp. The design must accomodate the text the app displays at the size > the user chose, and not the reverse. It might be true for the Gimp but work fine with OO.oBe in mind the draft is just a study to see what is possible or not. > I'm sorry if I may sound harsh, but your proposal seems typical of the > screenshot-oriented design approch which fares so bad in real life. For > this kind of endeavour usability concerns should be the priority and art > take the back seat. Please do work through the usability SIG. A dull > concept won't kill us. A hard-to-use one certainly will. Nah, you not harsh. Getting this kind of critcs motivates determinated people. the concept is not great and I aimed to active contributor to brainstorm thier ideas while it's fresh. Luya Tshimbalanga -- Fedora Project Contributor http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/LuyaTshimbalanga http://www.fedoranews.org From duffy at redhat.com Thu Oct 19 17:43:11 2006 From: duffy at redhat.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?M=E1ir=EDn_Duffy?=) Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2006 13:43:11 -0400 Subject: Thinking ahead: some FC7 ideas - Initial concept In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4537B92F.2060505@redhat.com> Luya Tshimbalanga wrote: >> Some feedback : > >> 1. the blue used is much too agressive, while I agree we should move away >> from gray-only the UI should stay unobstrusive, quiet and out-of-the-way. > > I agree, I was just extract most of idas I got. Luya, I received this message 6 times, most with a minute or two between timestamps. ~m From luya_tfz at thefinalzone.com Thu Oct 19 17:47:25 2006 From: luya_tfz at thefinalzone.com (Luya Tshimbalanga) Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2006 01:47:25 +0800 Subject: Web banner Message-ID: Very nice banner. I also like Nicu's modification. Using the official logo wll good. How about making a small version to fit in the wiki? > > > > > Luya Tshimbalanga -- Fedora Project Contributor http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/LuyaTshimbalanga http://www.fedoranews.org From nicolas.mailhot at laposte.net Thu Oct 19 19:14:33 2006 From: nicolas.mailhot at laposte.net (Nicolas Mailhot) Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2006 21:14:33 +0200 Subject: Thinking ahead: some FC7 ideas - Initial concept In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1161285273.8098.5.camel@rousalka.dyndns.org> Le vendredi 20 octobre 2006 ? 01:41 +0800, Luya Tshimbalanga a ?crit : > > Some feedback : > > > 1. the blue used is much too agressive, while I agree we should move away > > from gray-only the UI should stay unobstrusive, quiet and out-of-the-way. > > I agree, I was just extract most of idas I got. Also, I've just realised why I liked the green kde theme someone posted the other day: it uses a solid colour for the title bar, not a gradient. The result is high uniform text contrast soothing for my eyes. This is not to say the theme should be 2-d only with solid colours, but you should be real careful text and gradients do not overlap (or if they do overlap use a repeating pattern like Apple stripes so the contrast stays uniform) Regards, -- Nicolas Mailhot From mola at c100c.com Thu Oct 19 07:26:59 2006 From: mola at c100c.com (Mola Pahnadayan) Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2006 10:56:59 +0330 Subject: web banner Message-ID: <1161242819.5437.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> Hi , size : 640x120 in xcf file have red & blue layer . http://c100c.com/fedora/gimp/fedora-art.xcf http://c100c.com/fedora/gimp/fedora_art_003.png From mola at c100c.com Thu Oct 19 07:29:27 2006 From: mola at c100c.com (Mola Pahnadayan) Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2006 10:59:27 +0330 Subject: web banner In-Reply-To: <1161242819.5437.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1161242819.5437.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1161242967.5437.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> Correct link :http://c100c.com/fedora/gimp/fedora_art.xcf On Thu, 2006-10-19 at 10:56 +0330, Mola Pahnadayan wrote: > Hi , > size : 640x120 > in xcf file have red & blue layer . > > http://c100c.com/fedora/gimp/fedora-art.xcf > http://c100c.com/fedora/gimp/fedora_art_003.png > > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list From mola at c100c.com Thu Oct 19 02:27:29 2006 From: mola at c100c.com (Mola Pahnadayan) Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2006 05:57:29 +0330 Subject: Web banner Message-ID: <1161224850.20764.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> 600x120 with blue and red layer in xcf file. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Maybe the f logo should be elsewhere. I'll do a mockup tonight as I'm not at home right now. On 19/10/06, Mola Pahnadayan wrote: > 600x120 > with blue and red layer in xcf file. > > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list > > > > -- ..// seawolf //.. Ben Arnold e-mail / msn / icq / yahoo iamseawolf (at) gmail (dot) com http://clik.to/seawolfsanctuary fedora core : artwork GnuPG Available - ask me! From mola at c100c.com Fri Oct 20 09:03:16 2006 From: mola at c100c.com (Mola Pahnadayan) Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2006 12:33:16 +0330 Subject: come to life < web banner > Message-ID: <1161334996.2557.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I am not sure if anyone will be able to quickly make a draft using the model I posted. Discussion is welcome. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/LuyaTshimbalanga/ConceptWidget P.S.: I packaged thewidgetfactory for Extras repository. I am waiting for Warren to build the CVS directory for both Fedora Core 5 and 6. However, it will be available on rawhide first. From camilo at mesias.co.uk Mon Oct 23 11:47:21 2006 From: camilo at mesias.co.uk (Cam) Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2006 12:47:21 +0100 Subject: Banners and web buttons Message-ID: <453CABC9.90002@mesias.co.uk> Hi Sorry if this is off topic. I was looking for some 'official' FC artwork suitable for putting on a webpage to give credit for our use of the OS. Also it would be nice to have a link to some advocacy page from that banner or web button (ideally a small-ish 'powered by Fedora' type thing). Are there any such images and URLs that are approved for use? Thanks, -Cam -- camilo at mesias.co.uk <-- From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Mon Oct 23 12:07:20 2006 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2006 15:07:20 +0300 Subject: Banners and web buttons In-Reply-To: <453CABC9.90002@mesias.co.uk> References: <453CABC9.90002@mesias.co.uk> Message-ID: <453CB078.50607@nicubunu.ro> Cam wrote: > Hi > > Sorry if this is off topic. I was looking for some 'official' FC artwork > suitable for putting on a webpage to give credit for our use of the OS. > Also it would be nice to have a link to some advocacy page from that > banner or web button (ideally a small-ish 'powered by Fedora' type > thing). Are there any such images and URLs that are approved for use? We, as community, are putting material on this page: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing/Banners I guess the "powered by Fedora" button is kind of official, as its final form was made by Diana and the button is included inside the distro (Apache default start page). And this is NOT offtopic, here is the right place to ask for/develop such graphics. -- nicu Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From support at fedora-club.de Tue Oct 24 22:57:42 2006 From: support at fedora-club.de (Jovan Spasojevic) Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2006 00:57:42 +0200 Subject: Webgallery for FedoraArtworks Message-ID: <1161730662.5362.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> Hi, i have created a Webgallery on fedora-club.de. There can put members of fedora-club.de (German) artworks or whatever on it. but the Gallery has a Section called FedoraArtworks. this section is for FedoraArtworks (ideas) eg. However everybody who has Fedora Artwork ideas he can send me a mail with the graphics than i would put them online in the gallery. I would like to collect a lot of stuff and ideas for the FedoraArtwork Project. 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So I wasn't able to find it (of course I don't speak German so that may be a factor. ;-) ) Can you give a direct link? this section is for FedoraArtworks > (ideas) eg. However everybody who has Fedora Artwork ideas he can send > me a mail with the graphics than i would put them online in the gallery. > I would like to collect a lot of stuff and ideas for the FedoraArtwork > Project. Well, is this for artwork is specific to fedora-club or even Fedora in Germany? That sounds be okay, but I think we'd all really like to be able to meet and work with other artists who want to contribute to Fedora here on the list and at fedoraproject.org. So if folks are interested in contributing to Fedora artwork you should refer them here! ~m From luya_tfz at thefinalzone.com Wed Oct 25 08:57:03 2006 From: luya_tfz at thefinalzone.com (Luya Tshimbalanga) Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2006 16:57:03 +0800 Subject: FC7 ideas: Metacity theme concept (update) Message-ID: The wiki has now an alternate metacity look derived from Fedora Core 5 Gnome splash screen. The aim is to get a distinctive look with readability in mind (note the description is bold and the application is normal). http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/LuyaTshimbalanga/ConceptWidget I am still reading the tutorial how to create a metacity and GTK theme. The goal is to provide an enhanced version of Clearlooks theme without too much glossy and shiny look. Luya Tshimbalanga -- Fedora Project Contributor http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/LuyaTshimbalanga http://www.fedoranews.org From support at fedora-club.de Wed Oct 25 11:02:11 2006 From: support at fedora-club.de (Jovan Spasojevic) Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2006 13:02:11 +0200 Subject: Webgallery for FedoraArtworks Message-ID: <1161774131.2383.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> Hi, nice to see you here beacause to read you ;) Yes sure i would referer here ehrn the folks are interested in contributing. the sction FedoraArts is only for Ideas to collect all the staff. However i have put the link on the Page in the to of the header. (gallery) direct link is: http://fedora-club.de/fedora_club_de_com_net_gallery/ i am currently workinh on the galleries...yes it's new but i hope i would collect same ideas for the FedoraArtwork Proect too. 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(gallery) direct link is: > http://fedora-club.de/fedora_club_de_com_net_gallery/ If I have an idea and want to put it online and show it to other people in the Art project, why I would upload it to the gallery from fedora-club.de instead of uploading it to the fedoraproject.org wiki (either in the Artwork section or inside my personal section of the wiki)? -- nicu Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From support at fedora-club.de Wed Oct 25 11:56:02 2006 From: support at fedora-club.de (Jovan Spasojevic) Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2006 13:56:02 +0200 Subject: Webgallery for FedoraArtworks Message-ID: <1161777362.27592.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> Hi, you have primary to put your ideas on fedoraprojekt.org. But you can put your ideas on fedora-club.de too. 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If you wish to put in on > fedora-club.de too send the graphics to support at fedora-club.de and i'll > put them in the webgallery if you want. > > regards, > > jovan I must correct email like support [at] fedora-club [dot] de regards, jovan fedoraproject[dot]org/wiki/JovanSpasojevic -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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If you'd like to help the Fedora Artwork project, we have a long standing request (see http://mihmo.livejournal.com/25371.html) for a gallery application that makes it easy to find/download, contribute, and manage versions of Fedora artwork. I think it really is quite necessary, though, that such a system is managed by the Fedora system administration crew. If you are willing to talk to them and work with them to set up a system we can use, that would be amazingly awesome. I don't think, however, it would be wise for either you or us to rely on your server as the official Fedora Artwork project gallery solution, as that puts a lot of load on you alone and it also causes us to have to rely on a system that is not managed by the Fedora project which is a big risk for us. ~m From support at fedora-club.de Wed Oct 25 16:13:06 2006 From: support at fedora-club.de (Jovan Spasojevic) Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2006 18:13:06 +0200 Subject: Webgallery for FedoraArtworks Message-ID: <1161792786.6393.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> Hi, i think that is no problem to set up a system. However contact is required. regards, jovan -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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If anyone would like to follow the process, they can add their email on CC list from the following bugzilla: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=212256 Luya Tshimbalanga -- Fedora Project Contributor http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/LuyaTshimbalanga http://www.fedoranews.org Luya Tshimbalanga -- Fedora Project Contributor http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/LuyaTshimbalanga http://www.fedoranews.org From sdl.web at gmail.com Wed Oct 25 21:05:23 2006 From: sdl.web at gmail.com (Leo) Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2006 22:05:23 +0100 Subject: Echo icon theme submitted for review References: Message-ID: On Wed, 25/10/06, Luya Tshimbalanga wrote: > Greetings, > > I submitted Echo icon theme package on review for Extras repository. If > anyone would like to follow the process, they can add their email on CC > list from the following bugzilla: > > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=212256 > > Luya Tshimbalanga > -- I believe there is a long way to go. But good to get some feedback. BTW, do you think the echo theme is complete? Have not seen any updates lately. -- Leo From dfong at redhat.com Wed Oct 25 21:30:00 2006 From: dfong at redhat.com (Diana Fong) Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2006 17:30:00 -0400 Subject: Echo icon theme submitted for review In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <453FD758.5090803@redhat.com> Leo wrote: > On Wed, 25/10/06, Luya Tshimbalanga wrote: > > >> Greetings, >> >> I submitted Echo icon theme package on review for Extras repository. If >> anyone would like to follow the process, they can add their email on CC >> list from the following bugzilla: >> >> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=212256 >> >> Luya Tshimbalanga >> -- >> > > I believe there is a long way to go. But good to get some > feedback. BTW, do you think the echo theme is complete? Have not seen > any updates lately. > > Thanks for taking the initiative Luya! Echo is not complete...there still remains quite a bit of work left. However, I think it'll be good to get additional testing and feedback. I've also recently put up a page on FreeDesktop for icons that are not covered in the latest Icon Naming Specification. [1] Well phrased by Dobey...This should be a place where people can list icons they think they need, but don't know what appropriate names should be, so that we can clarify things and move the icons into addendum specs or the base spec, as appropriate. Diana [1] http://freedesktop.org/wiki/Standards_2ficon_2dnaming_2dspec_2fto_2dbe_2dnamed From luya_tfz at thefinalzone.com Fri Oct 27 07:02:58 2006 From: luya_tfz at thefinalzone.com (Luya Tshimbalanga) Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2006 15:02:58 +0800 Subject: Echo icon theme submitted for review Message-ID: echo-icon-theme is now part of rawhide repository and set as the default icon. It looks like Rawhide team wants to push this package for Fedora Core 7. Time to start image editors. Luya Tshimbalanga -- Fedora Project Contributor http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/LuyaTshimbalanga http://www.fedoranews.org From luya_tfz at thefinalzone.com Fri Oct 27 07:03:31 2006 From: luya_tfz at thefinalzone.com (Luya Tshimbalanga) Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2006 15:03:31 +0800 Subject: Echo icon theme submitted for review Message-ID: echo-icon-theme is now part of rawhide repository and set as the default icon. It looks like Rawhide team wants to push this package for Fedora Core 7. Time to start image editors. Luya Tshimbalanga -- Fedora Project Contributor http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/LuyaTshimbalanga http://www.fedoranews.org From onuorah_ifeoma at yahoo.com Sat Oct 28 04:46:10 2006 From: onuorah_ifeoma at yahoo.com (Ifeoma Onuorah) Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2006 21:46:10 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Fedora Backgrounds Message-ID: <20061028044610.90069.qmail@web35703.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Heyllo everyone! I feel like I'm kinda destracting from all the busyness that has been going on here during the past few weeks but I just wanted to share a new sketch I made for a possible fedora background. Again i must apologize, because I'm not very good at Illustrator yet and have yet to produce anything worht sharing but I do draw and sketch and I figured :" hey why not share the sketch". I previously created a bowling ball background which I believe Andy Fitz added to and made a GREAT background. I'm also working on some minimizations for Echo theme so hopefully I can help the set development move along.. Anyway here is my sketch.. hope all like it. I'm doing a couple more pool backgrounds.. but this is the first of a few.. enjoy ! :) -Ify http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f153/ifyisspiffy4/sc00b2146a.jpg ____________________________________________________________________________________ Cheap Talk? Check out Yahoo! Messenger's low PC-to-Phone call rates (http://voice.yahoo.com) From stickster at gmail.com Sat Oct 28 21:03:09 2006 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Sat, 28 Oct 2006 17:03:09 -0400 Subject: Fedora Backgrounds In-Reply-To: <20061028044610.90069.qmail@web35703.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20061028044610.90069.qmail@web35703.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1162069389.14356.9.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Fri, 2006-10-27 at 21:46 -0700, Ifeoma Onuorah wrote: > Heyllo everyone! > I feel like I'm kinda destracting from all the > busyness that has been going on here during the past > few weeks but I just wanted to share a new sketch I > made for a possible fedora background. Again i must > apologize, because I'm not very good at Illustrator > yet and have yet to produce anything worht sharing but > I do draw and sketch and I figured :" hey why not > share the sketch". I previously created a bowling ball > background which I believe Andy Fitz added to and made > a GREAT background. I'm also working on some > minimizations for Echo theme so hopefully I can help > the set development move along.. Anyway here is my > sketch.. hope all like it. I'm doing a couple more > pool backgrounds.. but this is the first of a few.. > enjoy ! :) Beautiful! I hope someone will take the time to turn this into some nice desktop artwork -- or perhaps we've found a possible FC7 theme? Maybe the bowling + billiards could be extended into a big sports metaphor. Then we could extend Fedora into the athletic world. :-) -- Paul W. Frields, RHCE http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 Fedora Project Board: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Board Fedora Docs Project: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Maybe somewhere here: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork -- Leo From iamseawolf at gmail.com Sun Oct 29 17:43:34 2006 From: iamseawolf at gmail.com (seawolf) Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2006 17:43:34 +0000 Subject: Artwork for FC7 In-Reply-To: <1162141852.3381.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1162141852.3381.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <9c3bfa1d0610290943u79281f63oc83f325704e8b084@mail.gmail.com> Nearly all the artwork can be found at the wiki homepage [1] by reading the descriptions. The wiki pages need to be modified now in order to be relvant for FC&, not FC6. The Echo icon set is currently being worked on for inclusion in 7. You can see the progress at it's own page [2] where you can also download it as a gzipped tarball. If you have any ideas, send them to this list. Be they sketches, mockups, a list of ideas and descriptions; it doesn't matter: just send them here with a suitable title to the e-mail (such as "FC7 Wallpaper Idea: MyTitle" or "Wallpaper sketch for development"). If you're stuck for ideas, see the Overview sections for elements of Fedora that need artwork and see if you have any ideas. I've been on the IRC a couple of times but IIRC no-one else was there at the time. The mailing list is the most effective because lots of people have different schedules and free time! 1. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork 2. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/EchoDevelopment ./Ben On 29/10/06, Jovan Spasojevic wrote: > who can i find the a overwiev of current ideas for FC7 Artwork? > On the irc the people are not very communicative......And where can i > put my ideas for FC7 Artwork? -- ..// seawolf //.. Ben Arnold e-mail / msn / icq / yahoo iamseawolf (at) gmail (dot) com http://clik.to/seawolfsanctuary fedora core : artwork GnuPG Available - ask me! From sdl.web at gmail.com Mon Oct 30 01:05:15 2006 From: sdl.web at gmail.com (Leo) Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2006 01:05:15 +0000 Subject: Some interesting Shots from GUI Championships 2006 Message-ID: Hi there, Just read this from osnews. I think we might be able to get some ideas for FC7. Most Usable & Most Original Visual Style: http://forums.guichamps.com/?aid=134341 Most Original Icon Package Winners: http://forums.guichamps.com/index.aspx?aid=134608&c=1 Winners of the Most Usable Icon Event Are Here: http://forums.guichamps.com/?aid=134363 Regards, -- Leo From luya_tfz at thefinalzone.com Mon Oct 30 08:05:00 2006 From: luya_tfz at thefinalzone.com (Luya Tshimbalanga) Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2006 16:05:00 +0800 Subject: Artwork for FC7 Message-ID: > > > hello, > > who can i find the a overwiev of current ideas for FC7 Artwork? > On the irc the people are not very communicative......And where can i > put my ideas for FC7 Artwork? > I also spoke about developing a new different window decoration for Fedora Core 7 and talk about that to Diana. I have not enough skill to develop that yet but I make a draft available on: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/LuyaTshimbalanga/ConceptWidget I am looking for someone who can develop that concept. If there is not one available, I will start the project as soon as possible for anyone to try it out. > Luya Tshimbalanga -- Fedora Project Contributor http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/LuyaTshimbalanga http://www.fedoranews.org From duffy at redhat.com Mon Oct 30 12:49:05 2006 From: duffy at redhat.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?M=E1ir=EDn_Duffy?=) Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2006 07:49:05 -0500 Subject: Artwork for FC7 In-Reply-To: <1162141852.3381.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1162141852.3381.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <4545F4C1.10303@redhat.com> Hi Jovan, Jovan Spasojevic wrote: > hello, > > who can i find the a overwiev of current ideas for FC7 Artwork? > On the irc the people are not very communicative......And where can i > put my ideas for FC7 Artwork? Here is the policy I suggested for proposing FC7 artwork: https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-art-list/2006-October/msg00057.html Pasting below: Anyone who wants to propose a design for the theme, come up with a name for it and send a proposal to the list using the following email subject format: [FC7 theme proposal] (name of theme) Round 1 An example: "[FC7 theme proposal] Fedora DNA Round 1" Attach/link to any sketches / mockups / etc you've come up with and a write-up of the concept (don't spend too much time on them, we'll focus on the concept first and then worry about the rendering.) You may also submit artwork folks other than yourself have made for consideration, if you get their permission and the artwork is openly-licensed (if you are not sure please check!) Here's an important guideline for the theme concepts: - No release numbers! For each proposal let's have a critique here on the list. When a proposal receives 5 critiques the artist (or any other folks participating on the list) should send a modified version in a fresh thread ('[FC7 theme proposal] (name of theme) Round 2') Let's view this as more of a photoshop tennis exercise - the theme shouldn't be any one person's baby, it's a team effort. So remix away! Here's the guidelines for critiques: - Be very specific with your feedback. "I like it" is not acceptable. "I really like how it makes the use of the Fedora blue color, it's bright and conveys a positive feeling" is much better. - For the 1st round of critiques, try not to focus on the rendering. Focus the meat of the critique on the concept. You may also include rendering critiques, but be sure to be specific! Statements like "it's not polished" are too vague and won't help us polish it. - Each critique must include at least one sketch/mockup modification, or a link/reference to another piece of work to help you explain your critique. Visual feedback is important! - If you've submitted a proposal you should submit a critique to another, different proposal. Our users view the distro as professional but the folks that work on it view it as cutting-edge, so keep these in mind when coming up with a theme and critiquing a theme. I'm going to set a date of December 4 (that's a Monday) as the deadline for all proposals. ~m From luya_tfz at thefinalzone.com Mon Oct 30 18:08:42 2006 From: luya_tfz at thefinalzone.com (Luya Tshimbalanga) Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2006 02:08:42 +0800 Subject: echo icon evaluation support for kde :) Message-ID: Chitlesh GOORAH wrote: > On 10/30/06, Luya Tshimbalanga < hidden > wrote: >> I would like also KDE user to evaluate echo-icon-theme. Although it is >> incomplete, it will be nice to see how it appears on your favorite > desktop. > > This is what I'm looking forward! > could you try sending me some more info about it concerning kde? I'll > make some announcement here and there tonight. > > Have a nice day, > chitlesh Fedora Artwork is interested to hear KDE and other desktop environment users feedbacks about Echo icon theme. echo-icon-theme is available on Rawhide as default and can be installed with this command: yum --enablerepo=development install echo-icon-theme Fedora Artwork is also discussing about making a new theme for Fedora Core 7 that can be later used by KDE artists. Here is the details: http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-art-list/2006-October/msg00128.html Luya Tshimbalanga -- Fedora Project Contributor http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/LuyaTshimbalanga http://www.fedoranews.org From luya_tfz at thefinalzone.com Mon Oct 30 18:09:51 2006 From: luya_tfz at thefinalzone.com (Luya Tshimbalanga) Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2006 02:09:51 +0800 Subject: echo icon evaluation support for kde :) Message-ID: Chitlesh GOORAH wrote: > On 10/30/06, Luya Tshimbalanga < hidden > wrote: >> I would like also KDE user to evaluate echo-icon-theme. Although it is >> incomplete, it will be nice to see how it appears on your favorite > desktop. > > This is what I'm looking forward! > could you try sending me some more info about it concerning kde? I'll > make some announcement here and there tonight. > > Have a nice day, > chitlesh Fedora Artwork is interested to hear KDE and other desktop environment users feedbacks about Echo icon theme. echo-icon-theme is available on Rawhide as default and can be installed with this command: yum --enablerepo=development install echo-icon-theme Fedora Artwork is also discussing about making a new theme for Fedora Core 7 that can be later used by KDE artists. Here is the details: http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-art-list/2006-October/msg00128.html Luya Tshimbalanga -- Fedora Project Contributor http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/LuyaTshimbalanga http://www.fedoranews.org From luya_tfz at thefinalzone.com Mon Oct 30 18:10:43 2006 From: luya_tfz at thefinalzone.com (Luya Tshimbalanga) Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2006 02:10:43 +0800 Subject: echo icon evaluation support for kde :) Message-ID: Ooops, wrong place. > Chitlesh GOORAH wrote: > > On 10/30/06, Luya Tshimbalanga < hidden > wrote: > >> I would like also KDE user to evaluate echo-icon-theme. Although it is > >> incomplete, it will be nice to see how it appears on your favorite > > desktop. > > > > This is what I'm looking forward! > > could you try sending me some more info about it concerning kde? I'll > > make some announcement here and there tonight. > > > > Have a nice day, > > chitlesh > Fedora Artwork is interested to hear KDE and other desktop environment > users feedbacks about Echo icon theme. echo-icon-theme is available on > Rawhide as default and can be installed with this command: > > yum --enablerepo=development install echo-icon-theme > > Fedora Artwork is also discussing about making a new theme for Fedora > Core 7 that can be later used by KDE artists. Here is the details: > > http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-art-list/2006-October/msg00128.html > > > > Luya Tshimbalanga > -- > Fedora Project Contributor > http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/LuyaTshimbalanga > http://www.fedoranews.org > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list > > Luya Tshimbalanga -- Fedora Project Contributor http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/LuyaTshimbalanga http://www.fedoranews.org From baerjj at gmail.com Tue Oct 31 01:01:35 2006 From: baerjj at gmail.com (John Baer) Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2006 20:01:35 -0500 Subject: FC7 Art Themes Message-ID: <1162256495.6240.12.camel@baerj-desktop> All, I agree it is important to establish the theme early and December 4th should provide adequate time to get us pointed in the right direction. > Attach/link to any sketches / mockups / etc you've come up with and a > write-up of the concept (don't spend too much time on them, we'll > focus > on the concept first and then worry about the rendering.) You may also > submit artwork folks other than yourself have made for consideration, > if > you get their permission and the artwork is openly-licensed (if you > are > not sure please check!) What I have used in the past as a white board is the wiki. Although not required, a naming convention would ease searching. As an example a convention of FC7ThemeProposal- would allow one to search by FC7ThemeProposal. (Names should be in wiki format) If the wiki is not to be our whiteboard for submitting ideas, then I need direction on the desired method. Cheers ... From duffy at redhat.com Tue Oct 31 01:05:47 2006 From: duffy at redhat.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?M=E1ir=EDn_Duffy?=) Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2006 20:05:47 -0500 Subject: Artwork for FC7 (was FC7 Art Themes) In-Reply-To: <1162256495.6240.12.camel@baerj-desktop> References: <1162256495.6240.12.camel@baerj-desktop> Message-ID: <4546A16B.3000408@redhat.com> John Baer wrote: >> Attach/link to any sketches / mockups / etc you've come up with and a >> write-up of the concept (don't spend too much time on them, we'll >> focus >> on the concept first and then worry about the rendering.) You may also >> submit artwork folks other than yourself have made for consideration, >> if >> you get their permission and the artwork is openly-licensed (if you >> are >> not sure please check!) > > What I have used in the past as a white board is the wiki. Although not > required, a naming convention would ease searching. Please use the wiki. That ensures you've signed the CLA which means we can legally accept your artwork. You may include links to your wiki page in your email submission. > > As an example a convention of FC7ThemeProposal- would > allow one to search by FC7ThemeProposal. (Names should be in wiki > format) That convention looks fine . Let's go with that. > If the wiki is not to be our whiteboard for submitting ideas, then I > need direction on the desired method. It is, thank you for pointing that important detail out. :) Let's not start yet another thread on this topic though, OK? It makes it really hard for people to follow what's going on. ~m From duffy at redhat.com Tue Oct 31 02:02:21 2006 From: duffy at redhat.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?M=E1ir=EDn_Duffy?=) Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2006 21:02:21 -0500 Subject: Where to submit your themes (was Artwork for FC7) In-Reply-To: <4546A16B.3000408@redhat.com> References: <1162256495.6240.12.camel@baerj-desktop> <4546A16B.3000408@redhat.com> Message-ID: <4546AEAD.3020103@redhat.com> I made a fancy-pants page with all the guidelines and a place to submit your FC7 theme proposal. Be sure to send off an email to the list as well when you create a wiki page proposal as well: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/FC7Themes ~m From duffy at redhat.com Tue Oct 31 05:42:08 2006 From: duffy at redhat.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?M=E1ir=EDn_Duffy?=) Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2006 00:42:08 -0500 Subject: [FC7 theme proposal] Fedora Borealis Round 1 Message-ID: <4546E230.30207@redhat.com> Here's a theme idea I came up with: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fc7ThemeProposalFedoraBorealis Here's the concept behind it: I started thinking about how Fedora is a pure operating system - one of the core values of Fedora is only including free and open source software, without including non-free software, codecs, drivers, patents, etc. We try to be a *pure* operating system. So the main word I'd use to describe this theme is pure. Soft, clean glows. Pure, clean reflections. I liked Milk Flat Blue [1] as an accompanying metacity theme. Not so happy with Clearlooks LightBlues [2] as a GTK+ theme - I like the blue highlights but its kinda overwhelmingly bright in other spots. There is probably something better out there. ~m [1] http://www.gnome-look.org/content/show.php?content=19390 [2] http://www.gnome-look.org/content/show.php?content=31788 From chitlesh at fedoraproject.org Tue Oct 31 06:14:50 2006 From: chitlesh at fedoraproject.org (Chitlesh GOORAH) Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2006 07:14:50 +0100 Subject: [FC7 theme proposal] Fedora Borealis Round 1 In-Reply-To: <4546E230.30207@redhat.com> References: <4546E230.30207@redhat.com> Message-ID: <13dbfe4f0610302214s7e050d7ehb5580605031c588a@mail.gmail.com> On 10/31/06, M?ir?n Duffy < hidden > wrote: > I liked Milk Flat Blue [1] as an accompanying metacity theme. Not so > happy with Clearlooks LightBlues [2] as a GTK+ theme - I like the blue > highlights but its kinda overwhelmingly bright in other spots. There is > probably something better out there. Hehehe, that's my favorite metacity theme for gnome :) -- http://clunixchit.blogspot.com From n.losito at yahoo.it Tue Oct 31 08:07:05 2006 From: n.losito at yahoo.it (Nicola Losito) Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2006 09:07:05 +0100 Subject: [FC7 theme proposal] Fedora Borealis Round 1 In-Reply-To: <4546E230.30207@redhat.com> References: <4546E230.30207@redhat.com> Message-ID: Il giorno 31/ott/06, alle ore 06:42, M?ir?n Duffy ha scritto: > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fc7ThemeProposalFedoraBorealis i do like the bootsplash concept, less the wallpaper mockup :-) -- Nicola .:kOoLiNuS:. Losito http://www.koolinus.net http://koolinus.wordpress.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Tue Oct 31 08:46:42 2006 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2006 10:46:42 +0200 Subject: [FC7 theme proposal] Fedora Borealis Round 1 In-Reply-To: References: <4546E230.30207@redhat.com> Message-ID: <45470D72.4080902@nicubunu.ro> Nicola Losito wrote: > > Il giorno 31/ott/06, alle ore 06:42, M?ir?n Duffy ha scritto: > >> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fc7ThemeProposalFedoraBorealis >> > > i do like the bootsplash concept, less the wallpaper mockup :-) I think we were asked for constructive feedback: Be very specific with your feedback. "I like it" is not acceptable. "I really like how it makes the use of the Fedora blue color, it's bright and conveys a positive feeling" is much better. I am neutral-to positive about the wallpaper, I am all for simplicity. And the concept can shine with some polish. For the bootsplash I am not that sure, it is dark and the wallpaper is light, I would prefer both to be the same, either dark or light. Can we have the text on boot on a non-black background? Where I have a strong opinion is the Metacity theme. I hate when the window control buttons (minimize, maximize, close) look all the same and you have to stay and think what is the function of a button based only on its position. With icons on those buttons it would be OK. -- nicu Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From nicolas.mailhot at laposte.net Tue Oct 31 09:27:25 2006 From: nicolas.mailhot at laposte.net (Nicolas Mailhot) Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2006 10:27:25 +0100 (CET) Subject: [FC7 theme proposal] Fedora Borealis Round 1 In-Reply-To: <4546E230.30207@redhat.com> References: <4546E230.30207@redhat.com> Message-ID: <15623.192.54.193.51.1162286845.squirrel@rousalka.dyndns.org> It'd be great this round if the proposed themes were put in a single periodically updated FE package people could test and comment on. Screenshot and on-shot reviews are nice but actually run-testing the latest version of the proposed themes is better. Regards, -- Nicolas Mailhot From thomas.canniot at laposte.net Tue Oct 31 10:23:53 2006 From: thomas.canniot at laposte.net (Thomas Canniot) Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2006 11:23:53 +0100 Subject: [FC7 theme proposal] Fedora Borealis Round 1 In-Reply-To: <4546E230.30207@redhat.com> References: <4546E230.30207@redhat.com> Message-ID: <1162290233.2801.31.camel@localhost.localdomain> Le mardi 31 octobre 2006 ? 00:42 -0500, M?ir?n Duffy a ?crit : > Here's a theme idea I came up with: > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fc7ThemeProposalFedoraBorealis > > Here's the concept behind it: > > I started thinking about how Fedora is a pure operating system - one of > the core values of Fedora is only including free and open source > software, without including non-free software, codecs, drivers, patents, > etc. We try to be a *pure* operating system. So the main word I'd use to > describe this theme is pure. Soft, clean glows. Pure, clean reflections. > > I liked Milk Flat Blue [1] as an accompanying metacity theme. Not so > happy with Clearlooks LightBlues [2] as a GTK+ theme - I like the blue > highlights but its kinda overwhelmingly bright in other spots. There is > probably something better out there. > > ~m > > [1] http://www.gnome-look.org/content/show.php?content=19390 > [2] http://www.gnome-look.org/content/show.php?content=31788 > ok, here is my critique of FedoraBorealis. I'm trying to make something different than "i like it" as MD suggested it in her mail yesterday [1]. * About the wallpaper The impressions it conveys to me is that everything is going higher. All the elements that compose our logo are going higher. As they all represent freedom and community, it makes free software in general going higher and as a consequence the use we can make of a computer is improving thanks to foss. Going higher is a positive direction (even if i don't believe in any god) it seems god may be above us. Freedom could be linked as well as something pure then. I'm a bit sad with this "fedora" that seems stuck on earth. Maybe it could try to reach some sky as well. * About Metacity Theme and GTK+ Theme I feel very strange about flatness. It seems that windows are only one piece of everything, whereas there are different elements that compose a nautilus windows (title bar, menu bar etc.) About the top right hand corner buttons, the fact they do not convey the actions they are aimed at will be very annoying for people who are not used to a computer. * Bootsplash Concept It seems to be the ufo of this theme. Even if it is pure, as there are nothing but Fedora on it, it is the same Fedora stuck to earth that all his friends that were going higher in the wallpaper abandoned there. Pureness must then not rhyme with emptiness. I feel that pureness is well conveyed with no "bug" on a painting, no shortcomings (perfect light - no shadow - bright and sharp colours for example) Cheers, hope this helps. T [1] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-art-list/2006-October/msg00128.html From chitlesh at fedoraproject.org Tue Oct 31 10:52:29 2006 From: chitlesh at fedoraproject.org (Chitlesh GOORAH) Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2006 11:52:29 +0100 Subject: echo icon evaluation support for kde :) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <13dbfe4f0610310252w3b58b9b6w75c9c2de4624d3ed@mail.gmail.com> chitlesh(~)[0]$rpm -q echo-icon-theme echo-icon-theme-0.1-6.fc7 1. the echo-icon-theme doesn't come up on kcontrol 2. when importing the tarball echo-icon-theme from its src.rpm, kcontrol says it's an invalid archive. chitlesh -- http://clunixchit.blogspot.com From iamseawolf at gmail.com Tue Oct 31 11:15:20 2006 From: iamseawolf at gmail.com (seawolf) Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2006 11:15:20 +0000 Subject: [FC7 theme proposal] Fedora Borealis Round 1 In-Reply-To: <4546E230.30207@redhat.com> References: <4546E230.30207@redhat.com> Message-ID: <9c3bfa1d0610310315m673ec55ayb8199c3c1e545cd8@mail.gmail.com> On 31/10/06, M?ir?n Duffy wrote: > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fc7ThemeProposalFedoraBorealis Nice idea for the concept, following the obvious in-trend atm with a pure, minimalistic look. Personally, I'm in two minds about it. My main gripe is with applications that have a darker background, such as the terminal, it makes the title bar and menus look too big. The SS on the original theme page [1] shows what I mean well. I loved the FC5 titlebar as it separated the application from everything else because the colour was totally different. I wonder if there was a slightly blue gradient on the title bar or something just to separate it a bit as well as keeping it in line with the overall FC colours. I'm currently using KDE with the Polyester theme [2] which seems, if you like, a less-modern version. Smooth blend [3] I feel is half-way, just with horrible buttons. If I have time later today I'll have a fiddle in GIMP. The window content, however, looks nice. Simple and fitting. [1] http://www.gnome-look.org/content/preview.php?preview=1&id=19390&file1=19390-1.jpg&file2=&file3=&name=Milk+flat+-+blue [2] http://www.kde-look.org/content/preview.php?preview=2&id=27731&file1=27731-1.png&file2=27731-2.png&file3=&name=Plastik+Classic [3] http://www.kde-look.org/content/preview.php?preview=1&id=21107&file1=21107-1.png&file2=21107-2.png&file3=&name=Smooth+Blend -- ..// seawolf //.. Ben Arnold e-mail / msn / icq / yahoo iamseawolf (at) gmail (dot) com http://clik.to/seawolfsanctuary fedora core : artwork GnuPG Available - ask me! From duffy at redhat.com Tue Oct 31 12:53:42 2006 From: duffy at redhat.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?M=E1ir=EDn_Duffy?=) Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2006 07:53:42 -0500 Subject: [FC7 theme proposal] Fedora Borealis Round 1 In-Reply-To: References: <4546E230.30207@redhat.com> Message-ID: <45474756.3020609@redhat.com> Nicola Losito wrote: > > Il giorno 31/ott/06, alle ore 06:42, M?ir?n Duffy ha scritto: > >> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fc7ThemeProposalFedoraBorealis >> > > i do like the bootsplash concept, less the wallpaper mockup :-) Thank you for the feedback, but... why? :-) See the "Participate in the theme discussion on the list" guidelines [1] - these are there to help us improve the proposed themes. Simply saying "I like this, I don't like that" isn't really constructive feedback, right? Thanks, ~m [1] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/FC7Themes From support at fedora-club.de Tue Oct 31 15:02:57 2006 From: support at fedora-club.de (Jovan Spasojevic) Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2006 16:02:57 +0100 Subject: Ideas Wallpaper flying fedora Message-ID: <1162306977.3216.13.camel@localhost.localdomain> Hi there, i've made a wallpaper flying fedora i'm calling. How looks? http://www.fedora-club.de/images/flyingfedora.png -- regards, jovan http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/JovanSpasojevic http://www.fedora-club.de -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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"I really like how it makes the use of the Fedora blue > color, it's bright and conveys a positive feeling" is much better. quote> OK :-) So i do like the darker blu on Fedora opposite to the light tone used in the wallpaper. I do also like the concept of "raising" Fedora logo on the bootsplash ... it catches the comcept of something starting {i wold also love this time to have a shutdown-splash} I also don't know if you guys follows other distro planet's .... on one i've found this: http://linux.wordpress.com/2006/10/29/screenshots-opensuse-102-beta-2/ which shows some login screens from openSUSE 10.2. to me they seem new, fresh, different in graphics from other solution and at the same time clean and professional looking ... -- Nicola .:kOoLiNuS:. Losito http://www.koolinus.net http://koolinus.wordpress.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I'm calling it > "FlyingFedora" however.......... > > first one http://www.fedora-club.de/images/flyingfedora.png > > another one http://www.fedora-club.de/images/flyingfedora2.png Why am I thinking about giant propellers there ? :) -- Nicolas Mailhot From chitlesh at fedoraproject.org Tue Oct 31 16:16:22 2006 From: chitlesh at fedoraproject.org (Chitlesh GOORAH) Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2006 17:16:22 +0100 Subject: Ideas Wallpaper flying fedora In-Reply-To: <63491.192.54.193.51.1162310272.squirrel@rousalka.dyndns.org> References: <1162309422.2583.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> <63491.192.54.193.51.1162310272.squirrel@rousalka.dyndns.org> Message-ID: <13dbfe4f0610310816m1b91e9f9y8900371694884db8@mail.gmail.com> On 10/31/06, Nicolas Mailhot < hidden > wrote: > Why am I thinking about giant propellers there ? :) It's more like a swiss national flag ! -- http://clunixchit.blogspot.com From support at fedora-club.de Tue Oct 31 16:49:11 2006 From: support at fedora-club.de (Jovan Spasojevic) Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2006 17:49:11 +0100 Subject: Ideas Wallpaper flying fedora Message-ID: <1162313351.2583.13.camel@localhost.localdomain> I want to create a "traveling into the future" look. ok when this is a swiss flag....... ......iam working on it.....to be not the swiss flag. http://www.fedora-club.de/images/flyingfedora2.png http://www.fedora-club.de/images/flyingfedora.png -- regards, jovan http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/JovanSpasojevic http://www.fedora-club.de -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: Dies ist ein digital signierter Nachrichtenteil URL: From dimitris at glezos.com Tue Oct 31 19:58:03 2006 From: dimitris at glezos.com (Dimitris Glezos) Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2006 19:58:03 +0000 Subject: [FC7 theme proposal] Fedora Borealis Round 1 In-Reply-To: <45470D72.4080902@nicubunu.ro> References: <4546E230.30207@redhat.com> <45470D72.4080902@nicubunu.ro> Message-ID: <4547AACB.9050703@glezos.com> Nicu Buculei wrote: > I am neutral-to positive about the wallpaper, I am all for simplicity. > And the concept can shine with some polish. > > For the bootsplash I am not that sure, it is dark and the wallpaper is > light, I would prefer both to be the same, either dark or light. Can we > have the text on boot on a non-black background? > > Where I have a strong opinion is the Metacity theme. I hate when the > window control buttons (minimize, maximize, close) look all the same and > you have to stay and think what is the function of a button based only > on its position. With icons on those buttons it would be OK. +1 on all points. -d -- Dimitris Glezos Jabber ID: glezos at jabber.org, PGP: 0xA5A04C3B http://dimitris.glezos.com/ "He who gives up functionality for ease of use loses both and deserves neither." (Anonymous) -- From sdl.web at gmail.com Tue Oct 31 21:57:50 2006 From: sdl.web at gmail.com (Leo) Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2006 21:57:50 +0000 Subject: Ideas Wallpaper flying fedora References: <1162316314.5484.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: On Tue, 31/10/06, Jovan Spasojevic wrote: > So... > > thats the results for today and later i will continue working on it... > > "Travel to the Future Look" > > http://www.fedora-club.de/images/flyingfedora.png Looks very nice! Thanks. -- Leo From baerjj at gmail.com Tue Oct 31 22:43:59 2006 From: baerjj at gmail.com (John Baer) Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2006 17:43:59 -0500 Subject: Fedora Borealis Round 1 In-Reply-To: <20061031080748.6C12873664@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20061031080748.6C12873664@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1162334639.4744.6.camel@baerj-desktop> M?ir?n, This is not a critique of your submission but a thank you for again getting us off to a really good start. My first impression is positive and I will offer additional comments when I have time to study the items in more detail. As a challenge to myself and others, submit your ideas. John