From duffy at redhat.com Wed Aug 1 01:41:55 2007 From: duffy at redhat.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?M=E1ir=ED=ADn_Duffy?=) Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2007 21:41:55 -0400 Subject: Round 2 Deadline for F8 Artwork Approaching Message-ID: <46AFE4E3.4020006@redhat.com> Hey Fedora Artists! So, the original Round 2 deadline was this Wednesday, Aug 1, but I extended it to Monday August 6 (I hope you folks don't mind!) so we could have one more weekend to work on things and get stuff polished. As a reminder, here are the requirements for a theme proposal to pass round 2: "Any ideas that don't have fully fleshed-out and polished artwork, at least 1 wallpaper and let's say 3 supporting graphics, will be out of the running at this point." "Supporting artwork" means a vertical banner for firstboot, a horizontal banner for anaconda, a login screen mockup, a banner for fedoraproject.org, a CD label design, etc. So to make round 3, make sure you have at least 3 of those in addition to any wallpaper artwork you've done. Here is the list of themes currently participating in round 2: 1. Infinity 2. Abstract 3. Moon 4. Thunder 5. Feng Shui 6. Floating Cubes (Fireworks didn't make the deadline for round 1. Nodoka isn't an artwork theme, it's an application/window manager theme so it's not part of this process.) ~m From duffy at redhat.com Wed Aug 1 01:54:49 2007 From: duffy at redhat.com (=?UTF-8?B?TcOhaXLDrcKtbiBEdWZmeQ==?=) Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2007 21:54:49 -0400 Subject: Virtual FudCon In-Reply-To: <46AEF059.4090706@nicubunu.ro> References: <46AEF059.4090706@nicubunu.ro> Message-ID: <46AFE7E9.6020501@redhat.com> Nicu Buculei wrote: > I just read about the Virtual FudCon - > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/JefSpaleta/VirtualFudCon and I think it > would be cool for the Art Team to take part in some way. > > It is somewhat aligned with the end of Round 2 for the wallpaper theme, > so maybe someone want to talk about this or maybe about Nodoka or Echo. > > Also we can try to get our own hackfest with work on Nodoka, wallpapers, > icons, mascots, website layout, whatever. AWESOME IDEA! Let's do it... I love the hackfest idea, and the F8 theme session idea too - we can make it a general 'come find out what the art team's been up to' session. We can show off Nodoka, and we can show off the theme ideas that made it past round 2 and discuss the ideas behind them and get some feedback from folks outside of the team hopefully! Does anybody have other suggestions for sessions? Who can commit to running the sessions / participating? We can try to work out times that might work for all the interested parties? I want to help run and/or participate in anything we decide to do. The hours that would work best for me are any time between: 1200 UTC (8 AM EDT) => 0500 UTC (1 AM EDT) ~m From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Wed Aug 1 06:50:55 2007 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2007 09:50:55 +0300 Subject: Round 2 Deadline for F8 Artwork Approaching In-Reply-To: <46AFE4E3.4020006@redhat.com> References: <46AFE4E3.4020006@redhat.com> Message-ID: <46B02D4F.1080700@nicubunu.ro> M?ir??n Duffy wrote: > > So, the original Round 2 deadline was this Wednesday, Aug 1, but I > extended it to Monday August 6 (I hope you folks don't mind!) so we > could have one more weekend to work on things and get stuff polished. As > a reminder, here are the requirements for a theme proposal to pass round 2: The extension was needed, I think we have not progressed as much as I expected. > Here is the list of themes currently participating in round 2: > > 1. Infinity > 2. Abstract > 3. Moon > 4. Thunder > 5. Feng Shui > 6. Floating Cubes From those only Infinity, Moon and Floating Cubes received any type of work/contributions during Round 2, so the time to act is NOW and support your favorite theme. -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Wed Aug 1 07:17:23 2007 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2007 10:17:23 +0300 Subject: Virtual FudCon In-Reply-To: <46AFE7E9.6020501@redhat.com> References: <46AEF059.4090706@nicubunu.ro> <46AFE7E9.6020501@redhat.com> Message-ID: <46B03383.5090206@nicubunu.ro> M?ir??n Duffy wrote: > > Who can commit to running the sessions / participating? We can try to > work out times that might work for all the interested parties? I want to > help run and/or participate in anything we decide to do. The hours that > would work best for me are any time between: > > 1200 UTC (8 AM EDT) => 0500 UTC (1 AM EDT) And the best hours for me are between 0600 UTC and 1500 UTC during the work days. As a result, I may not take part in the sessions, but my intention is to get some graphics made in that timeframe and blog about our activities related to the event. -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From ben.arnold.inbox at gmail.com Wed Aug 1 09:23:59 2007 From: ben.arnold.inbox at gmail.com (Ben Arnold) Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2007 10:23:59 +0100 Subject: Round 2 Deadline for F8 Artwork Approaching In-Reply-To: <46B02D4F.1080700@nicubunu.ro> References: <46AFE4E3.4020006@redhat.com> <46B02D4F.1080700@nicubunu.ro> Message-ID: <9c3bfa1d0708010223g62ce74bam25b42c66f5b8f960@mail.gmail.com> On 01/08/07, M?ir??n Duffy wrote: > So, the original Round 2 deadline was this Wednesday, Aug 1, but I > extended it to Monday August 6 (I hope you folks don't mind!) so we > could have one more weekend to work on things and get stuff polished. Gave me a bit more flexibility for the middle of the week. On 01/08/07, Nicu Buculei wrote: > The extension was needed, I think we have not progressed as much as I > expected. > From those only Infinity, Moon and Floating Cubes received any type of > work/contributions during Round 2, so the time to act is NOW and support > your favorite theme. I have dveloped Abstract considerably, I am up to vesion 12(ish). If the wiki would stop timing out, there would be eery vesion on the page. For now, there is the early vesions a>e and k. ./b -- | ..// seawolf //.. | | Ben Arnold | | e-mail / msn / icq / web | | http://clik.to/seawolfsanctuary | | ben.arnold.inbox (at) gmail.com | | iamseawolf (at) gmail (dot) com | | GnuPG Available - ask me! | From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Wed Aug 1 09:53:45 2007 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2007 12:53:45 +0300 Subject: Round 2 Deadline for F8 Artwork Approaching In-Reply-To: <9c3bfa1d0708010223g62ce74bam25b42c66f5b8f960@mail.gmail.com> References: <46AFE4E3.4020006@redhat.com> <46B02D4F.1080700@nicubunu.ro> <9c3bfa1d0708010223g62ce74bam25b42c66f5b8f960@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <46B05829.2020005@nicubunu.ro> Ben Arnold wrote: > On 01/08/07, Nicu Buculei wrote: >> From those only Infinity, Moon and Floating Cubes received any type of >> work/contributions during Round 2, so the time to act is NOW and support >> your favorite theme. > > I have dveloped Abstract considerably, I am up to vesion 12(ish). If > the wiki would stop timing out, there would be eery vesion on the > page. For now, there is the early vesions a>e and k. Sorry for not noticing, but you should document your progress better ar organize the page better: put the newest additions at the top, add more comments etc. There are a few of things I don't like the most at "Lines and Circles": - the white lines are too strong and too contrasting with the rest of the image, they steal my focus; - the white lines have sharp black outlines, I think those would be better softer (dark blue and a little blurred maybe); - overall the image is very sharp, I would like it more softer. -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From chitlesh at fedoraproject.org Wed Aug 1 10:44:37 2007 From: chitlesh at fedoraproject.org (Chitlesh GOORAH) Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2007 12:44:37 +0200 Subject: Virtual FudCon In-Reply-To: <46AEF059.4090706@nicubunu.ro> References: <46AEF059.4090706@nicubunu.ro> Message-ID: <13dbfe4f0708010344l72772069t18a3080dea23ef8c@mail.gmail.com> On 7/31/07, Nicu Buculei wrote: > I just read about the Virtual FudCon - > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/JefSpaleta/VirtualFudCon and I think it > would be cool for the Art Team to take part in some way. It started last year: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FedoraEvents/vFUDCon Chitlesh -- http://clunixchit.blogspot.com From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Wed Aug 1 13:52:39 2007 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2007 19:22:39 +0530 Subject: Round 2 Deadline for F8 Artwork Approaching In-Reply-To: <9c3bfa1d0708010223g62ce74bam25b42c66f5b8f960@mail.gmail.com> References: <46AFE4E3.4020006@redhat.com> <46B02D4F.1080700@nicubunu.ro> <9c3bfa1d0708010223g62ce74bam25b42c66f5b8f960@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <46B09027.80804@fedoraproject.org> Ben Arnold wrote: > > I have dveloped Abstract considerably, I am up to vesion 12(ish). If > the wiki would stop timing out, there would be eery vesion on the > page. For now, there is the early vesions a>e and k. You can use fedorapeople.org if you want to upload some files. Rahul From luya_tfz at thefinalzone.com Wed Aug 1 20:49:10 2007 From: luya_tfz at thefinalzone.com (Luya Tshimbalanga) Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2007 16:49:10 -0400 Subject: Virtual FudCon In-Reply-To: <13dbfe4f0708010344l72772069t18a3080dea23ef8c@mail.gmail.com> References: <46AEF059.4090706@nicubunu.ro> <13dbfe4f0708010344l72772069t18a3080dea23ef8c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1186001350.46b0f1c6071b9@ssl.mecca.ca> Not certain about making a Virtual FudCon as midterm exams begins next week. i was hoping to do presentation of echo-icon-theme. -- Luya Tshimbalanga Fedora Project contributor http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/LuyaTshimbalanga From kwade at redhat.com Thu Aug 2 21:44:01 2007 From: kwade at redhat.com (Karsten Wade) Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2007 14:44:01 -0700 Subject: small CSS request Message-ID: <1186091041.27970.354.camel@erato.phig.org> We're working on making it *very easy* to get edit access to the Wiki. We are doing this by having the CLA be a click-through that is done when creating the Wiki account. This has long been approved by The Right People, we are just waiting for Moin 1.6 to ship. It includes the ability to have text appear in the CreateAccount page that then does not appear in the UserPreferences. Here is how Paulo has made it look so far: http://publictest1.fedora.redhat.com/santosp/CreateAccount /me notes the slightly off-color favicon that denotes it is a test (not production) server I'm looking for a way to make the CLA text stand out from the page more. Make it more obvious that it is something special that needs to be read, not glanced over. I have a few ideas, but I'm very open to any suggestions: * A light colored shading behind it * A thin border to make it pop from the page * A thicker border with shading to make it stand on top of the page * Graphics to make it look like a pirate's code written in blood * etc. If you want to implement your idea in CSS, feel free to send it as a patch to the standard CSS (as used on publictest1). But if your idea is simple enough, we can probably figure it out ourselves. :) Thanks - Karsten -- Karsten Wade ^ Fedora Documentation Project Sr. Developer Relations Mgr. | fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject quaid.108.redhat.com | gpg key: AD0E0C41 ////////////////////////////////// \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Rahul From martin.sourada at seznam.cz Fri Aug 3 23:23:11 2007 From: martin.sourada at seznam.cz (Martin Sourada) Date: Sat, 04 Aug 2007 01:23:11 +0200 Subject: [Nodoka Theme] New Release (0.5.2) Message-ID: <1186183391.7876.13.camel@pc-notebook> Hi, I made some adjustments on my vacation based on the 0.5 version of the engine and today merged them with the changes Daniel made in version 0.5.1 and released 0.5.2. It's available[1] on the wiki[2]. I also updated the todo list to be more specific about future development: 0.6 ---- * first stable release - clean code - fix bugs and rendering issues - decide the final look and feel 0.5.90 (0.6 beta 1) ---- * Add the shadows where missing * Add a make distclean rule to the Makefile * Prepare the first variant of final look and feel * Tidy up the code - remove unneeded comments - fix compiler warnings - reformat the code to use same coding style (run indent on all files) So, as for the visual look, I held it as mostly complete, only in some cases shadows are missing (frames, menus, notebooks) or should not exist (spinbutton' button part), people on the fedoraforum seems to dislike the gradient in tabs, so I will rethink the tab design once more. Otherwise it's visually complete. So I decided to head for the first stable release and the first beta (as noted in the ToDo list). 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Rahul From ben.arnold.inbox at gmail.com Sat Aug 4 17:22:56 2007 From: ben.arnold.inbox at gmail.com (Ben Arnold) Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2007 18:22:56 +0100 Subject: About contributing to this project In-Reply-To: <46B4B23A.9060503@fedoraproject.org> References: <98b358090708040615tcaca75fn9e850cd79aaf53e3@mail.gmail.com> <46B4B23A.9060503@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <9c3bfa1d0708041022p47e1991i5c667971962c688b@mail.gmail.com> On 04/08/07, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > Anuja KR wrote: > > I am a free lancer and wish to contribute some designs to the art > > project. Please let me know whether I can contribute, if so whats the > > procedure? > > The procedure is outlined in http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork#Join > but the simplest way to get started is to upload your designs somewhere > publicly and send a link here for feedback. The rest of the /Artwork page there has information about the currently running projects, too. We basically need a new theme very six months for each Fedora release, along with supplimentary artwork. You might want to google 'fedora-art-list' to browse through the history of the mailing list, this will show past discussions about the projects. ./b -- | ..// seawolf //.. | | Ben Arnold | | e-mail / msn / icq / web | | http://clik.to/seawolfsanctuary | | ben.arnold.inbox (at) gmail.com | | iamseawolf (at) gmail (dot) com | | GnuPG Available - ask me! | From martin.sourada at seznam.cz Sat Aug 4 17:28:13 2007 From: martin.sourada at seznam.cz (Martin Sourada) Date: Sat, 04 Aug 2007 19:28:13 +0200 Subject: About contributing to this project In-Reply-To: <9c3bfa1d0708041022p47e1991i5c667971962c688b@mail.gmail.com> References: <98b358090708040615tcaca75fn9e850cd79aaf53e3@mail.gmail.com> <46B4B23A.9060503@fedoraproject.org> <9c3bfa1d0708041022p47e1991i5c667971962c688b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1186248493.7876.31.camel@pc-notebook> On Sat, 2007-08-04 at 19:22 +0200, Ben Arnold wrote: > You might want to google 'fedora-art-list' to browse through the > history of the mailing list, this will show past discussions about the > projects. > > ./b > Dunno how in other mailers, but in Evolution the url to the list info is included in a footer [1] and archives are there. 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True, I was thinking getting it though GMane [1] or something that might a bit moe attractive than redhat arhives. 1. http://news.gmane.org/gmane.linux.redhat.fedora.artwork ./b -- | ..// seawolf //.. | | Ben Arnold | | e-mail / msn / icq / web | | http://clik.to/seawolfsanctuary | | ben.arnold.inbox (at) gmail.com | | iamseawolf (at) gmail (dot) com | | GnuPG Available - ask me! | From martin.sourada at seznam.cz Sat Aug 4 18:10:28 2007 From: martin.sourada at seznam.cz (Martin Sourada) Date: Sat, 04 Aug 2007 20:10:28 +0200 Subject: [Echo Icons] Current adding/fixing/packaging process? Message-ID: <1186251028.7876.42.camel@pc-notebook> Hi, with the recent changes in the Echo icons source location I'd like to ask some questions. 1. What is the current process of adding new icons? 2. When is going to be released next package version based on the new sources? 3. What about symlinked icons? Is there any page to track them? Anyone to decide which icons will be just linked? Are the symlinks done during rpm packaging or before? 4. Are we going to update the wiki? The EchoDevelopment page seems to be unneeded now. 5. In what state it is acceptable for default icon set in release (i.e. what currently missing icons MUST be done)? ... Thanks, Martin -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From luya_tfz at thefinalzone.com Sat Aug 4 20:04:38 2007 From: luya_tfz at thefinalzone.com (Luya Tshimbalanga) Date: Sat, 04 Aug 2007 13:04:38 -0700 Subject: [Echo Icons] Current adding/fixing/packaging process? In-Reply-To: <1186251028.7876.42.camel@pc-notebook> References: <1186251028.7876.42.camel@pc-notebook> Message-ID: <46B4DBD6.3080603@thefinalzone.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hi Martin, Martin Sourada a ?crit : > Hi, > > with the recent changes in the Echo icons source location I'd like > to ask some questions. > > 1. What is the current process of adding new icons? Using your fedorapeople.org account, access to the directory luya/public_html/images/echo and put your created icons into these following directories: - - 16x16 pour small icons (formely used -S suffix) - - 24x24 pour medium icons (formely used -24 suffix) - - 48x48 for large icons (formely used -L suffix) - - SVG for the source icons in svg format (include small, medium and large icons). The git account for echo-icon-theme is not ready yet as the administrators Jesse Keating is busy sorting Fedora 8 Test 1 release. Make sure to read about git commands[1] > 2. When is going to be released next package version based on the > new sources? Current process is to modify the tarball that contains the new icons into cvs > 3. What about symlinked icons? Is there any page to track them? > Anyone to decide which icons will be just linked? Are the symlinks > done during rpm packaging or before? Use gtk-icon-coverage-check[2] to track symlinked icons using echo-icon-theme as the default on your desktop and follow the process[3]. echo-pull script[4] will need a overhaul. I don't know the process to generate index.theme because it is hard to find a proper document. > 4. Are we going to update the wiki? The EchoDevelopment page seems > to be unneeded now. EchoDevelopment will get details how to add icons and package them. I suggest to back all these icons as save as original because they will be removed later. These icons can be seen on luya.fedorapeople.org/images/echo. I will create a dedicated page for that. > 5. In what state it is acceptable for default icon set in release > (i.e. what currently missing icons MUST be done)? This page[5] contains the list of missing icons. If I am missing something, let me know. > ... > > Thanks, Martin [1]http://www.kernel.org/pub/software/scm/git/docs/tutorial.html [2]http://people.redhat.com/johnp/files/echo/gtk-icon-coverage-check.tar.bz2 [3]https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-art-list/2006-August/msg00255.html [4]http://people.redhat.com/johnp/files/echo/echo_pull.tar.bz2 [5]http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/EchoIconTheme/EchoToDo -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFGtNvVa10Jb0NOz+ERAsmGAJ0eeOsvJmbTluds6/MWYPS9R0oHAgCdF0ey 0uZ8Wdq9MeXTlBf/+Vxq5+8= =dzHI -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mclasen at redhat.com Sat Aug 4 23:13:44 2007 From: mclasen at redhat.com (Matthias Clasen) Date: Sat, 04 Aug 2007 19:13:44 -0400 Subject: [Echo Icons] Current adding/fixing/packaging process? In-Reply-To: <1186251028.7876.42.camel@pc-notebook> References: <1186251028.7876.42.camel@pc-notebook> Message-ID: <1186269224.3310.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Sat, 2007-08-04 at 20:10 +0200, Martin Sourada wrote: > 2. When is going to be released next package version based on the new > sources? I'll try to get that done next week. > 3. What about symlinked icons? Is there any page to track them? Anyone > to decide which icons will be just linked? Are the symlinks done during > rpm packaging or before? Symlinks for "traditional" names are created by the icon-naming-utils. This does indeed happen during rpm packaging. > 5. In what state it is acceptable for default icon set in release (i.e. > what currently missing icons MUST be done)? Impossible to give a strict definition for this. From martin.sourada at seznam.cz Sun Aug 5 14:38:27 2007 From: martin.sourada at seznam.cz (Martin Sourada) Date: Sun, 05 Aug 2007 16:38:27 +0200 Subject: [Nodoka GTK Theme] new release (0.5.3) Message-ID: <1186324708.7876.55.camel@pc-notebook> Hi, I made a new release which should look [1] mostly how the first stable (0.6) will look. The changes I made are more cosmetic - I changed the gradients in tabs, made a scale's fill brighter, removed shadow from spinbutton, added shadow to frames and added make dist and make distclean rules to the Makefiles. As the rpms for the engine were already accepted, imported and built into development it is to be expected that the rpms will be late after the upstream release (repos don't get new packages as soon as they are built). I think this version could be the last before the first beta as the only things left before the first beta release are code clean up and optimisations IMHO. Also I temporarily moved the sources [2] to my fedorapeople page [3] and asked for hosting on fedora hosted. I updated the wiki accordingly [4]. Thanks for your comments, feedback, help, etc. Martin References: [1] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/NodokaTheme?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=nodoka-0.5.3.png [2] http://mso.fedorapeople.org/nodoka/gtk-nodoka-engine-0.5.3.tar.gz [3] http://mso.fedorapeople.org/index.xhtml [4] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/NodokaTheme -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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There is also a growing list of application-specific icons: http://live.gnome.org/ThemableAppSpecificIcons - Andreas From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Sun Aug 5 18:00:01 2007 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Sun, 05 Aug 2007 23:30:01 +0530 Subject: [Echo icons] Problems loading email icon In-Reply-To: <1186326883.7876.65.camel@pc-notebook> References: <1186326883.7876.65.camel@pc-notebook> Message-ID: <46B61021.1080804@fedoraproject.org> Martin Sourada wrote: > Hi, > > I logged into my account at fedorapeople.org (username mso) and when I > try to add an icon it says 'operation not permitted'. Have you checked your password/ssh keys? Talked to infrastructure team? Rahul From ben.arnold.inbox at gmail.com Sun Aug 5 18:08:43 2007 From: ben.arnold.inbox at gmail.com (Ben Arnold) Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2007 19:08:43 +0100 Subject: Round 2 Deadline for F8 Artwork Approaching In-Reply-To: <46B09027.80804@fedoraproject.org> References: <46AFE4E3.4020006@redhat.com> <46B02D4F.1080700@nicubunu.ro> <9c3bfa1d0708010223g62ce74bam25b42c66f5b8f960@mail.gmail.com> <46B09027.80804@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <9c3bfa1d0708051108w5628c216n96a5178d5df6f4a4@mail.gmail.com> All, As the deadline is tomorrow, I have developed the Abstract theme to a point where I am happy to extend it through other areas of the graphics. Toward the bottom of the Abstract page [1] - I go for chronological-ish order - you can find wallpaper 2o, a working GRUB package, Anaconda prompt splash image and RHGB logo graphic. The SVGs are, of course, there too. I hope they are starting to look good; I have the wallpaper, RHGB and GRUB all running on my machine at the mo and they look pretty good, if I may say so myself! Still, any comments on them are gratefully recieved though it will be more difficult to sweep major changes through! Thanks, Ben :) 1. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/F8ThemeAbstract - - - - - On 01/08/07, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > You can use fedorapeople.org if you want to upload some files. Yes, I have now an active account on fPeople.o ad stuck everything there. I had quickly played with it merely hours before you wrote but I hadn't gotten anywhere - SSH is a bit new to me, let alone combining that with FTP! ./b -- | ..// seawolf //.. | | Ben Arnold | | e-mail / msn / icq / web | | http://clik.to/seawolfsanctuary | | ben.arnold.inbox (at) gmail.com | | iamseawolf (at) gmail (dot) com | | GnuPG Available - ask me! | From martin.sourada at seznam.cz Sun Aug 5 18:16:18 2007 From: martin.sourada at seznam.cz (Martin Sourada) Date: Sun, 05 Aug 2007 20:16:18 +0200 Subject: [Echo icons] Problems loading email icon In-Reply-To: <46B61021.1080804@fedoraproject.org> References: <1186326883.7876.65.camel@pc-notebook> <46B61021.1080804@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <1186337778.7876.71.camel@pc-notebook> On Sun, 2007-08-05 at 20:00 +0200, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > Martin Sourada wrote: > > Hi, > > > > I logged into my account at fedorapeople.org (username mso) and when I > > try to add an icon it says 'operation not permitted'. > > Have you checked your password/ssh keys? Talked to infrastructure team? > As I can upload files to my folder (/home/fedora/mso; via Gnome's ssh remote server connection) that should not be the problem. I haven't talked about it to infrastructure team yet, should I? > Rahul > Martin -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Sun Aug 5 18:20:35 2007 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Sun, 05 Aug 2007 23:50:35 +0530 Subject: [Echo icons] Problems loading email icon In-Reply-To: <1186337778.7876.71.camel@pc-notebook> References: <1186326883.7876.65.camel@pc-notebook> <46B61021.1080804@fedoraproject.org> <1186337778.7876.71.camel@pc-notebook> Message-ID: <46B614F3.7040106@fedoraproject.org> Martin Sourada wrote: > On Sun, 2007-08-05 at 20:00 +0200, Rahul Sundaram wrote: >> Martin Sourada wrote: >>> Hi, >>> >>> I logged into my account at fedorapeople.org (username mso) and when I >>> try to add an icon it says 'operation not permitted'. >> Have you checked your password/ssh keys? Talked to infrastructure team? >> > As I can upload files to my folder (/home/fedora/mso; via Gnome's ssh > remote server connection) that should not be the problem. I haven't > talked about it to infrastructure team yet, should I? If you have trouble uploading your files to your fedorapeople.org account you probably should but I might have misunderstood your issue. Rahul From martin.sourada at seznam.cz Sun Aug 5 18:38:46 2007 From: martin.sourada at seznam.cz (Martin Sourada) Date: Sun, 05 Aug 2007 20:38:46 +0200 Subject: [Echo icons] Problems loading email icon In-Reply-To: <46B614F3.7040106@fedoraproject.org> References: <1186326883.7876.65.camel@pc-notebook> <46B61021.1080804@fedoraproject.org> <1186337778.7876.71.camel@pc-notebook> <46B614F3.7040106@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <1186339126.7876.77.camel@pc-notebook> On Sun, 2007-08-05 at 20:20 +0200, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > > talked about it to infrastructure team yet, should I? > > If you have trouble uploading your files to your fedorapeople.org > account you probably should but I might have misunderstood your issue. > > Rahul > Yes, probably you misunderstood. I have problems uploading icons to luya's fedorapeople.org account through mine account. But it should work, quoting Luya [1]: > Using your fedorapeople.org account, access to the directory > luya/public_html/images/echo and put your created icons into these > following directories: > - - 16x16 pour small icons (formely used -S suffix) > - - 24x24 pour medium icons (formely used -24 suffix) > - - 48x48 for large icons (formely used -L suffix) > - - SVG for the source icons in svg format (include small, medium and > large icons). Martin References: [1] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-art-list/2007-August/msg00020.html -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I have problems uploading icons to > luya's fedorapeople.org account through mine account. But it should > work, quoting Luya [1]: Ah ok. I am not sure you can do that though. Rahul From luya_tfz at thefinalzone.com Sun Aug 5 19:00:24 2007 From: luya_tfz at thefinalzone.com (Luya Tshimbalanga) Date: Sun, 05 Aug 2007 12:00:24 -0700 Subject: [Echo icons] Problems loading email icon In-Reply-To: <1186326883.7876.65.camel@pc-notebook> References: <1186326883.7876.65.camel@pc-notebook> Message-ID: <46B61E48.2060903@thefinalzone.com> Martin Sourada a ?crit : > Hi, > > I logged into my account at fedorapeople.org (username mso) and when I > try to add an icon it says 'operation not permitted'. Luya, can you > upload it for me? You can find the email icons (all sizes) at my wiki > [1]. I looked into tango theme to see what's the right name for it and I > found that it's in apps folder and it's called internet-mail, also there > are symlinks to it from email, redhat-email, xfce-mail and kmail in the > same folder. > Could you check if you can write on echo folder ? I enable your accout to write. In a meanwhile, I have uploaded your mail icon as internet-mail under application folder. Luya From martin.sourada at seznam.cz Sun Aug 5 19:15:10 2007 From: martin.sourada at seznam.cz (Martin Sourada) Date: Sun, 05 Aug 2007 21:15:10 +0200 Subject: [Echo icons] Problems loading email icon In-Reply-To: <46B61E48.2060903@thefinalzone.com> References: <1186326883.7876.65.camel@pc-notebook> <46B61E48.2060903@thefinalzone.com> Message-ID: <1186341310.7876.80.camel@pc-notebook> On Sun, 2007-08-05 at 21:00 +0200, Luya Tshimbalanga wrote: > Could you check if you can write on echo folder ? I enable your accout > to write. In a meanwhile, I have uploaded your mail icon as > internet-mail under application folder. > > > Luya > Thanks for the uploading. However, as far as the write access goes it got worse. Gnome's ssh connection shows empty echo folder and plain ssh says permission denied when I try to cd echo: [mso at people1 ~]$ cd /home/fedora/luya/public_html/images/ [mso at people1 images]$ ls echo [mso at people1 images]$ cd echo/ -bash: cd: echo/: Permission denied Martin -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From luya_tfz at thefinalzone.com Sun Aug 5 19:21:48 2007 From: luya_tfz at thefinalzone.com (Luya Tshimbalanga) Date: Sun, 05 Aug 2007 12:21:48 -0700 Subject: [Echo icons] Problems loading email icon In-Reply-To: <1186341310.7876.80.camel@pc-notebook> References: <1186326883.7876.65.camel@pc-notebook> <46B61E48.2060903@thefinalzone.com> <1186341310.7876.80.camel@pc-notebook> Message-ID: <46B6234C.7000507@thefinalzone.com> Martin Sourada a ?crit : > On Sun, 2007-08-05 at 21:00 +0200, Luya Tshimbalanga wrote: > >> Could you check if you can write on echo folder ? I enable your accout >> to write. In a meanwhile, I have uploaded your mail icon as >> internet-mail under application folder. >> >> >> Luya >> >> > > Thanks for the uploading. However, as far as the write access goes it > got worse. Gnome's ssh connection shows empty echo folder and plain ssh > says permission denied when I try to cd echo: > > [mso at people1 ~]$ cd /home/fedora/luya/public_html/images/ > [mso at people1 images]$ ls > echo > [mso at people1 images]$ cd echo/ > -bash: cd: echo/: Permission denied > > Martin > Please check again. Luya From martin.sourada at seznam.cz Sun Aug 5 19:30:15 2007 From: martin.sourada at seznam.cz (Martin Sourada) Date: Sun, 05 Aug 2007 21:30:15 +0200 Subject: [Echo icons] Problems loading email icon In-Reply-To: <46B6234C.7000507@thefinalzone.com> References: <1186326883.7876.65.camel@pc-notebook> <46B61E48.2060903@thefinalzone.com> <1186341310.7876.80.camel@pc-notebook> <46B6234C.7000507@thefinalzone.com> Message-ID: <1186342215.7876.82.camel@pc-notebook> On Sun, 2007-08-05 at 21:21 +0200, Luya Tshimbalanga wrote: > Please check again. > > Luya Still the same. Martin -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Try to relogin again. -- ??D0 References: <1186326883.7876.65.camel@pc-notebook> <46B61E48.2060903@thefinalzone.com> <1186341310.7876.80.camel@pc-notebook> <46B6234C.7000507@thefinalzone.com> <1186342215.7876.82.camel@pc-notebook> <46B62D8D.4020706@thefinalzone.com> Message-ID: <1186345065.2950.1.camel@pc-notebook> On Sun, 2007-08-05 at 22:05 +0200, Luya Tshimbalanga wrote: > You should be able to write. Try to relogin again. > > Reloged and still no luck. So I tried even reboot whole computer and login again and still no luck. I don't have even read rights to the echo folder. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I don't have even read rights to the echo > folder. > > Weird, I can see you can read and write on echo folder. If that does not work, you should ask Fedora Infrastructure. -- ??D0 References: <1186326883.7876.65.camel@pc-notebook> <46B61E48.2060903@thefinalzone.com> <1186341310.7876.80.camel@pc-notebook> <46B6234C.7000507@thefinalzone.com> <1186342215.7876.82.camel@pc-notebook> <46B62D8D.4020706@thefinalzone.com> <1186345065.2950.1.camel@pc-notebook> <46B63405.1060304@thefinalzone.com> Message-ID: <1186346448.2950.7.camel@pc-notebook> On Sun, 2007-08-05 at 22:33 +0200, Luya Tshimbalanga wrote: > Martin Sourada a ?crit : > Weird, I can see you can read and write on echo folder. If that does not > work, you should ask Fedora Infrastructure. > > Sure, it is weird. I tried ls -l in the images folder and in one level upper and the only difference between echo and the other folders I see is some + at the end of rights: $ ls -l total 8 drwxrwxr-x+ 6 luya luya 4096 Jul 23 17:51 echo [mso at people1 images]$ cd .. [mso at people1 public_html]$ ls -l total 12 drwxrwxr-x 2 luya luya 4096 Jul 20 01:35 css drwxrwxr-x 3 luya luya 4096 Jul 23 17:48 images -rw-rw-r-- 1 luya luya 948 Jul 20 01:34 index.html I'll probably ask the infrastructure team about it tomorrow. Martin -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I'm proposing the other Art team sessions now but I'm not sure if you've got the time to do an echo one. ~m From duffy at redhat.com Mon Aug 6 15:43:40 2007 From: duffy at redhat.com (=?UTF-8?B?TcOhaXLDrW4gRHVmZnk=?=) Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2007 11:43:40 -0400 Subject: Connecting to (was Re: Virtual FudCon) In-Reply-To: <46AEF059.4090706@nicubunu.ro> References: <46AEF059.4090706@nicubunu.ro> Message-ID: <46B741AC.40307@redhat.com> Hi folks, Nicu Buculei wrote: > I just read about the Virtual FudCon - > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/JefSpaleta/VirtualFudCon and I think it > would be cool for the Art Team to take part in some way. > > It is somewhat aligned with the end of Round 2 for the wallpaper theme, > so maybe someone want to talk about this or maybe about Nodoka or Echo. > > Also we can try to get our own hackfest with work on Nodoka, wallpapers, > icons, mascots, website layout, whatever. So we have both a hackfest and a presentation proposed for the virtual fudcon on the wiki page Nicu mentioned above. The Fedora infrastructure team also created a conference room for us on the asterisk server: sip:art at fedoraproject.org If you'd like to test out your connectivity, please use ekiga or the sip client of your choice and dial into art at fedoraproject.org. (if you have a sip enabled phone or client that requires an extension number, the extension number for the art conference is 2004.) I'll be in there until about 6 pm Eastern Time (US) today; I have a mic so if I hear you I'll give ya a holler. :) ~m From cddesjardins at gmail.com Mon Aug 6 19:59:57 2007 From: cddesjardins at gmail.com (Christopher Desjardins) Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2007 14:59:57 -0500 Subject: Splash Screens for OO.Org2 and GIMP Message-ID: Hi, I was curious if anyone was working on custom Fedora splash screens for oo.org2 and gimp and whether or not this might be included in F8? To me it makes a disto look just that much more polished. Cheers, Chris From duffy at redhat.com Mon Aug 6 20:06:46 2007 From: duffy at redhat.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?M=E1ir=EDn_Duffy?=) Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2007 16:06:46 -0400 Subject: Splash Screens for OO.Org2 and GIMP In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <46B77F56.6080908@redhat.com> Hi Chris, Christopher Desjardins wrote: > Hi, > I was curious if anyone was working on custom Fedora splash screens > for oo.org2 and gimp and whether or not this might be included in F8? > To me it makes a disto look just that much more polished. I don't think so. Those projects have their own look and I'm not sure it would be quite appropriate to override their splash screens. Especially the GIMP splashscreen, as I know there's an ongoing contest for that and it doesn't seem fair to override it. ~m From dgeiger_343 at yahoo.com Mon Aug 6 23:18:38 2007 From: dgeiger_343 at yahoo.com (Daniel Geiger) Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2007 16:18:38 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Nodoka GTK Theme] new release (0.5.3) In-Reply-To: <1186324708.7876.55.camel@pc-notebook> Message-ID: <226815.48785.qm@web45211.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> I won't have access to the internet until about the end of the week, due to vacationing. However, I should be able to work some on code cleanup/optimization. Daniel Martin Sourada wrote: Hi, I made a new release which should look [1] mostly how the first stable (0.6) will look. The changes I made are more cosmetic - I changed the gradients in tabs, made a scale's fill brighter, removed shadow from spinbutton, added shadow to frames and added make dist and make distclean rules to the Makefiles. As the rpms for the engine were already accepted, imported and built into development it is to be expected that the rpms will be late after the upstream release (repos don't get new packages as soon as they are built). I think this version could be the last before the first beta as the only things left before the first beta release are code clean up and optimisations IMHO. Also I temporarily moved the sources [2] to my fedorapeople page [3] and asked for hosting on fedora hosted. I updated the wiki accordingly [4]. Thanks for your comments, feedback, help, etc. Martin References: [1] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/NodokaTheme?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=nodoka-0.5.3.png [2] http://mso.fedorapeople.org/nodoka/gtk-nodoka-engine-0.5.3.tar.gz [3] http://mso.fedorapeople.org/index.xhtml [4] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/NodokaTheme _______________________________________________ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list at redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list --------------------------------- Luggage? GPS? Comic books? Check out fitting gifts for grads at Yahoo! Search. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From luya at fedoraproject.org Tue Aug 7 02:20:20 2007 From: luya at fedoraproject.org (Luya Tshimbalanga) Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2007 19:20:20 -0700 Subject: Virtual FudCon In-Reply-To: <46B73E04.6030005@redhat.com> References: <46AEF059.4090706@nicubunu.ro> <13dbfe4f0708010344l72772069t18a3080dea23ef8c@mail.gmail.com> <1186001350.46b0f1c6071b9@ssl.mecca.ca> <46B73E04.6030005@redhat.com> Message-ID: <46B7D6E4.4070603@fedoraproject.org> M?ir?n Duffy a ?crit : > Hi Luya, > > If you've decided you can do an echo presentation, I recommend posting > it to http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/JefSpaleta/VirtualFudCon and > dropping Jef Spaleta a note to let him know. I'm proposing the other > Art team sessions now but I'm not sure if you've got the time to do an > echo one. > > ~m Done. I set the status report for Friday August 10, 2007 right after transifex presentation. The tight schedule of Graphic Design classes didn't allow much flexibility. Luya From martin.sourada at seznam.cz Tue Aug 7 07:32:27 2007 From: martin.sourada at seznam.cz (Martin Sourada) Date: Tue, 07 Aug 2007 09:32:27 +0200 Subject: [Nodoka GTK Theme] new release (0.5.3) In-Reply-To: <226815.48785.qm@web45211.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> References: <226815.48785.qm@web45211.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1186471947.2950.16.camel@pc-notebook> On Tue, 2007-08-07 at 01:18 +0200, Daniel Geiger wrote: > I won't have access to the internet until about the end of the week, > due to vacationing. However, I should be able to work some on code > cleanup/optimization. > > Daniel > Good. It would be better if you based your changes on 0.5.3.1 [1]. It's basically the same as 0.5.3 but run through indent utility and with removed unneeded comments. I hope I will have accepted [2] the code at hosted and running git there by the end of week. In order to have access to the git please add yourself to the gitnodoka group in your fedora account. Martin References: [1] http://mso.fedorapeople.org/nodoka/gtk-nodoka-engine-0.5.3.1.tar.gz [2] https://hosted.fedoraproject.org/projects/fedora-infrastructure/ticket/95 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Wed Aug 8 10:17:51 2007 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Wed, 08 Aug 2007 13:17:51 +0300 Subject: Round 3 Message-ID: <46B9984F.6030806@nicubunu.ro> We are a couple of days after 6 August, the end date for Round 2 for themes. As the feature freeze date and deadline for Round 3 is approaching fast (20 August) and a lot of work will be needed, I'll do my usual thing: step on our team leader toes (hoping she will not mind much) and start the talk about Round 3. We had a simple criteria "any ideas that don't have fully fleshed-out and polished artwork, at least 1 wallpaper and let's say 3 supporting graphics, will be out of the running at this point" and from 6 themes we had in Round 1 only two meet it: Infinity and Abstract. To move the discussion even further, I will make a very quick review of those themes: - Infinity is taking an opposite approach compared with the elaborated and complex F7 theme, going towards simplicity and cleanliness. Some will like that, other may want something shinier. Probably it could be made more shiny (see the variant with stars); - Abstract uses the "bubble" logo as the central point of the composition, this is something the general opinion leaned against. It also uses very saturated, bright and contrasting colors, something not very good for a wallpaper; - Moon was very close to meet Round 2 criteria, lacking only one more supporting graphic. I really like the wallpaper proposed in Round 2 (tree - fence - moon) but find it too close to the F7 imagery. - Floating Cubes, only with 2 wallpapers got in Round 2 what I think is a bad direction: a big release number as the central element (we agreed in the past release numbers should not be part of the graphics), high use of the "bubble" logo, wordmark in a wrong font and very bright and contrasting colors; - Thunder remained unmodified during Round 2 and it does not have enough supporting graphics; - FengShui remained unmodified during Round 2 and contain only 2 wallpapers, one of which is a blue version of the Ubuntu wallpaper. Now shoot me. Flame me. Anything, but let's get some work done for Round 3. One thing I am disappointed so far and expected more is the collaboration between contributors, with one playing and mixing the work produced by the others, something we did better in the early stages of F7 release. -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From duffy at redhat.com Thu Aug 9 01:43:14 2007 From: duffy at redhat.com (=?UTF-8?B?TcOhaXLDrcKtbiBEdWZmeQ==?=) Date: Wed, 08 Aug 2007 21:43:14 -0400 Subject: Round 3 In-Reply-To: <46B9984F.6030806@nicubunu.ro> References: <46B9984F.6030806@nicubunu.ro> Message-ID: <46BA7132.4010301@redhat.com> Nicu Buculei wrote: > We are a couple of days after 6 August, the end date for Round 2 for > themes. As the feature freeze date and deadline for Round 3 is > approaching fast (20 August) and a lot of work will be needed, I'll do > my usual thing: step on our team leader toes (hoping she will not mind > much) and start the talk about Round 3. Thanks Nicu, I was too late :) Thanks for picking up my slack! > We had a simple criteria "any ideas that don't have fully fleshed-out > and polished artwork, at least 1 wallpaper and let's say 3 supporting > graphics, will be out of the running at this point" and from 6 themes we > had in Round 1 only two meet it: Infinity and Abstract. It's probably good at this point that we only have 2 qualifying. There is a LOT of work to be done so if we have only 2 to work on it lessens the amount of work spent I think. What does everybody think about round 3? ~m From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Thu Aug 9 14:18:22 2007 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Thu, 09 Aug 2007 17:18:22 +0300 Subject: Round 3 In-Reply-To: <46BA7132.4010301@redhat.com> References: <46B9984F.6030806@nicubunu.ro> <46BA7132.4010301@redhat.com> Message-ID: <46BB222E.90601@nicubunu.ro> M?ir??n Duffy wrote: > It's probably good at this point that we only have 2 qualifying. There > is a LOT of work to be done so if we have only 2 to work on it lessens > the amount of work spent I think. > > What does everybody think about round 3? We can allow a few days, but only a few days, the time will get short, to explore variations of those designs but after that we should reduce the options and set in stone the shapes and colors and start completing the entire set of graphics. I do not like that with Test 1 released, reviews start showing on the web, people comment on them "I like the graphics with the moon and balloon" and get replied "dude, those are form the old release". -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From martin.sourada at seznam.cz Thu Aug 9 14:52:31 2007 From: martin.sourada at seznam.cz (Martin Sourada) Date: Thu, 09 Aug 2007 16:52:31 +0200 Subject: [Nodoka Theme] Are we going to finally enable it? Message-ID: <1186671151.3770.8.camel@pc-notebook> Hi, Test 1 is out, feature freeze and Test 2 are approaching, Nodoka theme is visually more or less complete and I noticed it moved to CategoryApprovedFedora8 [1]. So, as the packages are already in rawhide it's now only a matter of enabling it by default. What you think? Who's the person who can actually do it? Is it OK enabling Echo together with it or I should rather change the metatheme to use the Fedora/Mist icon theme (default in Fedora 7)? Thanks, Martin References: [1] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/CategoryApprovedFedora8 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From duffy at redhat.com Thu Aug 9 14:57:10 2007 From: duffy at redhat.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?M=E1ir=ED=ADn_Duffy?=) Date: Thu, 09 Aug 2007 10:57:10 -0400 Subject: [Nodoka Theme] Are we going to finally enable it? In-Reply-To: <1186671151.3770.8.camel@pc-notebook> References: <1186671151.3770.8.camel@pc-notebook> Message-ID: <46BB2B46.3030903@redhat.com> Martin Sourada wrote: > Test 1 is out, feature freeze and Test 2 are approaching, Nodoka theme > is visually more or less complete and I noticed it moved to > CategoryApprovedFedora8 [1]. So, as the packages are already in rawhide > it's now only a matter of enabling it by default. What you think? Who's > the person who can actually do it? I am actually not sure. Let me ask around but if anybody else knows please speak up! > Is it OK enabling Echo together with > it or I should rather change the metatheme to use the Fedora/Mist icon > theme (default in Fedora 7)? Echo's not ready for F8. I say let's change it to Mist. We discussed this earlier on-list and folks seemed okay with it so let's do it. ~m From mclasen at redhat.com Thu Aug 9 14:56:53 2007 From: mclasen at redhat.com (Matthias Clasen) Date: Thu, 09 Aug 2007 10:56:53 -0400 Subject: [Nodoka Theme] Are we going to finally enable it? In-Reply-To: <1186671151.3770.8.camel@pc-notebook> References: <1186671151.3770.8.camel@pc-notebook> Message-ID: <1186671413.3430.5.camel@dhcp83-186.boston.redhat.com> On Thu, 2007-08-09 at 16:52 +0200, Martin Sourada wrote: > Hi, > > Test 1 is out, feature freeze and Test 2 are approaching, Nodoka theme > is visually more or less complete and I noticed it moved to > CategoryApprovedFedora8 [1]. So, as the packages are already in rawhide > it's now only a matter of enabling it by default. What you think? Who's > the person who can actually do it? I can do it, but has the artwork contest ended yet ? Or are there no other contenders for the gtk/icon theme area ? > Is it OK enabling Echo together with > it or I should rather change the metatheme to use the Fedora/Mist icon > theme (default in Fedora 7)? I have started to work on updating the echo package. That might take some time, though. From martin.sourada at seznam.cz Thu Aug 9 15:07:04 2007 From: martin.sourada at seznam.cz (Martin Sourada) Date: Thu, 09 Aug 2007 17:07:04 +0200 Subject: [Nodoka Theme] Are we going to finally enable it? In-Reply-To: <1186671413.3430.5.camel@dhcp83-186.boston.redhat.com> References: <1186671151.3770.8.camel@pc-notebook> <1186671413.3430.5.camel@dhcp83-186.boston.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1186672024.3770.14.camel@pc-notebook> On Thu, 2007-08-09 at 16:56 +0200, Matthias Clasen wrote: > I can do it, but has the artwork contest ended yet ? Or are there no > other contenders for the gtk/icon theme area ? > There are no other contenders for gtk/metacity theme and actually the Nodoka theme is listed in the feature list and was approved, so in this are I think we are already determined. So I think it's only a matter of enabling it by default. As for the Echo, Mair?n seems to think Echo is not (and will not be) ready for Fedora 8, so we will probably will have to fall back to Mist. I wait a day or two for other comments and if no one is against I change the icon theme in the metatheme to the current default. I'll let you know about it. > I have started to work on updating the echo package. That might take > some time, though. > -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From mclasen at redhat.com Fri Aug 10 00:13:53 2007 From: mclasen at redhat.com (Matthias Clasen) Date: Thu, 09 Aug 2007 20:13:53 -0400 Subject: [Nodoka Theme] Are we going to finally enable it? In-Reply-To: <1186671413.3430.5.camel@dhcp83-186.boston.redhat.com> References: <1186671151.3770.8.camel@pc-notebook> <1186671413.3430.5.camel@dhcp83-186.boston.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1186704833.4143.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Thu, 2007-08-09 at 10:56 -0400, Matthias Clasen wrote: > > I have started to work on updating the echo package. That might take > some time, though. I have put a new package up at http://people.redhat.com/mclasen/echo-icon-theme-0.3-1.20070809.fc8.noarch.rpm It is based on the icons found at people.fedoraproject.org. I had to quite a bit of massaging on the icon-naming-utils perl script to most of the same symlinks that J5's pull script did. Still, the package contains some 100 .pngs less than the last snapshot. Thats why I haven't put it in rawhide yet; I'd appreciate if people could check it out and tell me if there are any significant regressions that should be fixed. On the flip side, the list of directories in index.theme is much closer to reality now than it was in earlier snapshots... Small discrepancies noticed while doing this: 16x16/mimes/x-office-calendarS-.png should probably be 16x16/mimetypes/x-office-calendar.png Similar for 24x24. Everything under 48x48/apps should probably be moved to 48x48/applications. Matthias From tw2113 at gmail.com Fri Aug 10 03:34:35 2007 From: tw2113 at gmail.com (Michael Beckwith) Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2007 22:34:35 -0500 Subject: Hello everyone, I have arrived. Message-ID: <9b437e950708092034s5351e7f6nf5432c7c9accfdae@mail.gmail.com> I am the newest member of the Fedora Art Team. My name is Michael Beckwith, I have been a bit of a lurker but finally decided to dive in and officially join. I have been doing linux since February of 2007, so I still have much to learn, but we're working on it. I also graduated from Dakota State University, in Madison South Dakota, with degrees in both Graphic Design as well as Multimedia/Web Development during May and summer of 2007. Some interests include art, OSS, music, Anti-RIAA, deaf community, society and its errors, and many other things. It'd probably just be best to ask me specifics with examples and i'll confirm or deny. 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I also graduated from Dakota State > University, in Madison South Dakota, with degrees in both Graphic Design as > well as Multimedia/Web Development during May and summer of 2007. > > Some interests include art, OSS, music, Anti-RIAA, deaf community, society > and its errors, and many other things. It'd probably just be best to ask me > specifics with examples and i'll confirm or deny. > > Damn it feels good to be an artist. > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list > > -- I'm still learning English... Ji?? Jakub Ma?ek - Mr Jiri Jakub Masek Czech Republic, European Union http://jjm.xf.cz -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Fri Aug 10 05:50:33 2007 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2007 08:50:33 +0300 Subject: [Nodoka Theme] Are we going to finally enable it? In-Reply-To: <1186671151.3770.8.camel@pc-notebook> References: <1186671151.3770.8.camel@pc-notebook> Message-ID: <46BBFCA9.4070306@nicubunu.ro> Martin Sourada wrote: > Hi, > > Test 1 is out, feature freeze and Test 2 are approaching, Nodoka theme > is visually more or less complete and I noticed it moved to > CategoryApprovedFedora8 [1]. So, as the packages are already in rawhide > it's now only a matter of enabling it by default. What you think? Who's > the person who can actually do it? Is it OK enabling Echo together with > it or I should rather change the metatheme to use the Fedora/Mist icon > theme (default in Fedora 7)? It's been a while since I changed my default theme to Nokoda and it seems fine. It possible to get some hard numbers, to see how it stand performance-wise compared with the current theme? Not sure what can be used here, maybe GtkPerf [1] which is not packaged in Fedora. [1] - http://gtkperf.sourceforge.net/ -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Fri Aug 10 05:57:47 2007 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2007 08:57:47 +0300 Subject: Hello everyone, I have arrived. In-Reply-To: <9b437e950708092034s5351e7f6nf5432c7c9accfdae@mail.gmail.com> References: <9b437e950708092034s5351e7f6nf5432c7c9accfdae@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <46BBFE5B.9000604@nicubunu.ro> Michael Beckwith wrote: > I am the newest member of the Fedora Art Team. > > My name is Michael Beckwith, I have been a bit of a lurker but finally > decided to dive in and officially join. Welcome Michael! What is your area of expertise? On what kind of things do you like to work? Do you have some work to show off? If you lurked the list for a while, I guess it is not the case for me to repeat the pointers I posted a few days ago in another "welcome" message [1]. [1] - https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-art-list/2007-July/msg00196.html -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Fri Aug 10 06:03:24 2007 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2007 09:03:24 +0300 Subject: Generic Logos - was: Re: Round 3 In-Reply-To: <46BA7132.4010301@redhat.com> References: <46B9984F.6030806@nicubunu.ro> <46BA7132.4010301@redhat.com> Message-ID: <46BBFFAC.8060708@nicubunu.ro> M?ir??n Duffy wrote: > What does everybody think about round 3? As "Generic Logos" [1] got approved as a feature for F8, how this will influence our work? We will de-brand as much as we can from the graphics? We will two parallel set of graphics? Both? [1] - http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/FeatureGenericLogos -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From duffy at redhat.com Fri Aug 10 06:16:48 2007 From: duffy at redhat.com (=?UTF-8?B?TcOhaXLDrcKtbiBEdWZmeQ==?=) Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2007 02:16:48 -0400 Subject: Generic Logos - was: Re: Round 3 In-Reply-To: <46BBFFAC.8060708@nicubunu.ro> References: <46B9984F.6030806@nicubunu.ro> <46BA7132.4010301@redhat.com> <46BBFFAC.8060708@nicubunu.ro> Message-ID: <46BC02D0.2070403@redhat.com> Nicu Buculei wrote: > M?ir??n Duffy wrote: >> What does everybody think about round 3? > > As "Generic Logos" [1] got approved as a feature for F8, how this will > influence our work? > We will de-brand as much as we can from the graphics? We will two > parallel set of graphics? Both? Let's talk to Bill and/or Seth and figure out what they want to do. It should be easy enough to produce artwork that simply does not have the logo, for example. That should be sufficient? ~m From tw2113 at gmail.com Fri Aug 10 06:19:11 2007 From: tw2113 at gmail.com (Michael Beckwith) Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2007 01:19:11 -0500 Subject: Hello everyone, I have arrived. In-Reply-To: <46BBFE5B.9000604@nicubunu.ro> References: <9b437e950708092034s5351e7f6nf5432c7c9accfdae@mail.gmail.com> <46BBFE5B.9000604@nicubunu.ro> Message-ID: <9b437e950708092319p117a6a3ds9a928c7e0d99cc64@mail.gmail.com> I'm probably going to lurk a bit more and help out where possible on a light scale while I do my best to get more familiar with the FOSS tools that are used. I'd like to focus more on the creation of graphics, and less on gtk stuff as I am not familiar with gtk. I have some random work from over the past couple years or so at http://ridleytx.deviantart.com or my portfolio located on my website http://ridleytx.structed.net On 8/10/07, Nicu Buculei wrote: > > Michael Beckwith wrote: > > I am the newest member of the Fedora Art Team. > > > > My name is Michael Beckwith, I have been a bit of a lurker but finally > > decided to dive in and officially join. > > Welcome Michael! > > What is your area of expertise? On what kind of things do you like to > work? Do you have some work to show off? > > If you lurked the list for a while, I guess it is not the case for me to > repeat the pointers I posted a few days ago in another "welcome" message > [1]. > > [1] - > https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-art-list/2007-July/msg00196.html > > -- > nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com > Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ > Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org > my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I guess so, but for this we will need to produce graphics which work well with and without the logo (it is not the case with "Abstract"). I don't think Bill or Seth are on this list, so where do we talk with them? -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From duffy at redhat.com Fri Aug 10 06:27:53 2007 From: duffy at redhat.com (=?UTF-8?B?TcOhaXLDrcKtbiBEdWZmeQ==?=) Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2007 02:27:53 -0400 Subject: Generic Logos - was: Re: Round 3 In-Reply-To: <46BC0478.70305@nicubunu.ro> References: <46B9984F.6030806@nicubunu.ro> <46BA7132.4010301@redhat.com> <46BBFFAC.8060708@nicubunu.ro> <46BC02D0.2070403@redhat.com> <46BC0478.70305@nicubunu.ro> Message-ID: <46BC0569.30700@redhat.com> Nicu Buculei wrote: > I guess so, but for this we will need to produce graphics which work > well with and without the logo (it is not the case with "Abstract"). > I don't think Bill or Seth are on this list, so where do we talk with them? Seth is skvidal and Bill is notting on freenode irc, they're generally pretty easy to get a hold of that way (although of course during US East Coast hours)... I can ping them tomorrow and fill you guys in on what we talked about? ~m From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Fri Aug 10 06:31:13 2007 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2007 09:31:13 +0300 Subject: Hello everyone, I have arrived. In-Reply-To: <9b437e950708092319p117a6a3ds9a928c7e0d99cc64@mail.gmail.com> References: <9b437e950708092034s5351e7f6nf5432c7c9accfdae@mail.gmail.com> <46BBFE5B.9000604@nicubunu.ro> <9b437e950708092319p117a6a3ds9a928c7e0d99cc64@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <46BC0631.5010505@nicubunu.ro> Michael Beckwith wrote: > I'm probably going to lurk a bit more and help out where possible on a > light scale while I do my best to get more familiar with the FOSS tools > that are used. I'd like to focus more on the creation of graphics, and > less on gtk stuff as I am not familiar with gtk. Well, I am somewhat in the same boat, not very knowledgeable about the inner works of the GTK and working more on creation of graphics, but even here are a lot of possibilities: icon work, desktop graphics, web graphics, printing materials etc. The tools mainly used by our team are GIMP and Inkscape, with Blender being another wonderful tool on which we kind of lack expertise (our Blender expert is Mola). Of course, there are lot of less known but also marvelous tools, like Fyre or Agave. -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Fri Aug 10 06:34:09 2007 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2007 09:34:09 +0300 Subject: Generic Logos - was: Re: Round 3 In-Reply-To: <46BC0569.30700@redhat.com> References: <46B9984F.6030806@nicubunu.ro> <46BA7132.4010301@redhat.com> <46BBFFAC.8060708@nicubunu.ro> <46BC02D0.2070403@redhat.com> <46BC0478.70305@nicubunu.ro> <46BC0569.30700@redhat.com> Message-ID: <46BC06E1.4000709@nicubunu.ro> M?ir??n Duffy wrote: > > Seth is skvidal and Bill is notting on freenode irc, they're generally > pretty easy to get a hold of that way (although of course during US East Yeah, I know their nicks but my timezone is not that great for such talks (and am I also not well known for using irc :D ) > Coast hours)... I can ping them tomorrow and fill you guys in on what we > talked about? This sound like a plan! -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From luya_tfz at thefinalzone.com Fri Aug 10 08:06:31 2007 From: luya_tfz at thefinalzone.com (Luya Tshimbalanga) Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2007 04:06:31 -0400 Subject: [Nodoka Theme] Are we going to finally enable it? In-Reply-To: <1186704833.4143.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1186671151.3770.8.camel@pc-notebook> <1186671413.3430.5.camel@dhcp83-186.boston.redhat.com> <1186704833.4143.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1186733191.46bc1c877d807@ssl.mecca.ca> Quoting Matthias Clasen : > It is based on the icons found at people.fedoraproject.org. I had to > quite a bit of massaging on the icon-naming-utils perl script to most of > the same symlinks that J5's pull script did. Still, the package contains > some 100 .pngs less than the last snapshot. Thats why I haven't put it > in rawhide yet; I'd appreciate if people could check it out and tell me > if there are any significant regressions that should be fixed. Could you compare with the icons I have backed up on luya.fedorapeople.org/images/echo? Martin has added a mail icon called internet-mail so you may check there if there are missing icons. Also, could you test the SVG as well so we could see if there is some rendering issues I would like to correct? It is odd some of them done with Illustrator display correctly on any SVG supported browser but not Nautilus. > On the flip side, the list of directories in index.theme is much closer > to reality now than it was in earlier snapshots... > Must be a duplicate found of the wiki. Can't wait that gitecho-icon-theme repository to be ready. Meanwhile, Jesse is too busy struggling with rawhide. He is on final stage to create the host. Once ready, please submit request from your Fedora Project account to gitecho-icon-theme so I can add you to list for uploading and committing change. -- Luya Tshimbalanga Fedora Project contributor http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/LuyaTshimbalanga From luya_tfz at thefinalzone.com Fri Aug 10 08:10:55 2007 From: luya_tfz at thefinalzone.com (Luya Tshimbalanga) Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2007 04:10:55 -0400 Subject: Hello everyone, I have arrived. In-Reply-To: <9b437e950708092034s5351e7f6nf5432c7c9accfdae@mail.gmail.com> References: <9b437e950708092034s5351e7f6nf5432c7c9accfdae@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1186733455.46bc1d8f20b64@ssl.mecca.ca> Quoting Michael Beckwith : > I am the newest member of the Fedora Art Team. > Welcome. It is good to have more members to the small Art Team. Good to see a Graphic Designer as I am myself taking class at the moment (too busy with homework). -- Luya Tshimbalanga Fedora Project contributor Taking Graphics Design classes http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/LuyaTshimbalanga From martin.sourada at seznam.cz Fri Aug 10 09:17:51 2007 From: martin.sourada at seznam.cz (Martin Sourada) Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2007 11:17:51 +0200 Subject: [Nodoka Theme] Are we going to finally enable it? In-Reply-To: <1186704833.4143.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1186671151.3770.8.camel@pc-notebook> <1186671413.3430.5.camel@dhcp83-186.boston.redhat.com> <1186704833.4143.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1186737471.3770.37.camel@pc-notebook> > I have put a new package up at > > http://people.redhat.com/mclasen/echo-icon-theme-0.3-1.20070809.fc8.noarch.rpm > > It is based on the icons found at people.fedoraproject.org. I had to > quite a bit of massaging on the icon-naming-utils perl script to most of > the same symlinks that J5's pull script did. Still, the package contains > some 100 .pngs less than the last snapshot. Thats why I haven't put it > in rawhide yet; I'd appreciate if people could check it out and tell me > if there are any significant regressions that should be fixed. > > On the flip side, the list of directories in index.theme is much closer > to reality now than it was in earlier snapshots... > > Small discrepancies noticed while doing this: > > 16x16/mimes/x-office-calendarS-.png > > should probably be > > 16x16/mimetypes/x-office-calendar.png > > Similar for 24x24. > > Everything under 48x48/apps should probably be moved to > 48x48/applications. > > Matthias Just installed it. I will let you know of any missing icons previously included that I'll notice. I so far noticed that icons for suspend, calculator, terminal, e-mail and shutdown are not displayed, but present in the package. Suspend: icon name: system-standby.png missing symlink: screensaver.png ?! Calculator: icon name: accessories-calculator.png missing symlink: gnome-calculator.png Terminal: icon name: utilities-terminal missing symlink: gnome-terminal.png (probably even more) E-mail icon name: internet-mail.png missing symlink: redhat-email.png Shutdown: icon name: system-shutdown.png missing symlink: gnome-shutdown.png The listed symlinks are those I needed to create to make these icons display in most obvious place - the gnome menus. Martin -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Thats why I haven't put it > > in rawhide yet; I'd appreciate if people could check it out and tell me > > if there are any significant regressions that should be fixed. > > Could you compare with the icons I have backed up on > luya.fedorapeople.org/images/echo? That is the tree I used. > Martin has added a mail icon called > internet-mail so you may check there if there are missing icons. Also, could > you test the SVG as well so we could see if there is some rendering issues I > would like to correct? It is odd some of them done with Illustrator display > correctly on any SVG supported browser but not Nautilus. I didn't look at the svgs at all, since a) they were not sorted into scalable/ subdirectories and b) including the svgs is a bit questionable in general, anyway. > > On the flip side, the list of directories in index.theme is much closer > > to reality now than it was in earlier snapshots... > > Can't wait that gitecho-icon-theme repository to be ready. Meanwhile, Jesse is > too busy struggling with rawhide. He is on final stage to create the host. Once > ready, please submit request from your Fedora Project account to > gitecho-icon-theme so I can add you to list for uploading and committing > change. Can't be that hard to set up a git repository. I'll poke him. From martin.sourada at seznam.cz Fri Aug 10 19:23:53 2007 From: martin.sourada at seznam.cz (Martin Sourada) Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2007 21:23:53 +0200 Subject: [Echo icons] Icons blurry in the gnome menus Message-ID: <1186773833.2911.11.camel@pc-notebook> Hi, I noticed it a little while ago but with new batch of icons it became more visible. The icons sizes on the gnome menus aren't obviously the same we have in the Echo icon set, so the icons are resized and as a result look a bit blurry. It's the same with Bluecurve, on the contrary Mist provide right sizes for it. I can think of these possible solutions to this problem: 1. patch gnome menus to use 24x24 sized icons 2. create new size set for echo icons (probably 22x22) 3. include svgs in the echo icon package 4. both 2. and 3. There may be more. What do you think? Please note that it's mostly an issue for icons which have 24x24 size variant. Those that are bigger are usually resized better. I know we most likely won't fix this issue until Fedora 8, but IMHO we ought to fix it. Martin -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I can think of these possible solutions > to this problem: > > 1. patch gnome menus to use 24x24 sized icons > 2. create new size set for echo icons (probably 22x22) > 3. include svgs in the echo icon package > 4. both 2. and 3. > > There may be more. What do you think? Please note that it's mostly an > issue for icons which have 24x24 size variant. Those that are bigger are > usually resized better. I know we most likely won't fix this issue until > Fedora 8, but IMHO we ought to fix it. Icon sizes are themable in GTK+. To experiment, you can simply add gtk-icon-sizes="panel-foobar=20,20:panel-menu=22,22:gtk-dnd=32,32:gtk-menu=16,16:gtk-large-toolbar=24,24:gtk-small-toolbar=18,18:gtk-button=20,20:gtk-dialog=48,48" to your ~/.gtkrc-2.0 and start changing this sizes (the values above are the defaults). panel-foobar is the size for the icon in the menubar. Note that the panel doesn't pick up new sizes until you restart it. You should make sure that the Nodoka gtkrc sets the icon sizes to something that works well for whatever icon theme we end up making the default. Matthias From martin.sourada at seznam.cz Fri Aug 10 21:12:25 2007 From: martin.sourada at seznam.cz (Martin Sourada) Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2007 23:12:25 +0200 Subject: [Echo icons] Icons blurry in the gnome menus In-Reply-To: <1186775290.3207.17.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1186773833.2911.11.camel@pc-notebook> <1186775290.3207.17.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1186780345.2911.19.camel@pc-notebook> On Fri, 2007-08-10 at 21:48 +0200, Matthias Clasen wrote: > Icon sizes are themable in GTK+. To experiment, you can simply add > > gtk-icon-sizes="panel-foobar=20,20:panel-menu=22,22:gtk-dnd=32,32:gtk-menu=16,16:gtk-large-toolbar=24,24:gtk-small-toolbar=18,18:gtk-button=20,20:gtk-dialog=48,48" > > to your ~/.gtkrc-2.0 and start changing this sizes (the values above are > the defaults). panel-foobar is the size for the icon in the menubar. > > Note that the panel doesn't pick up new sizes until you restart it. > > You should make sure that the Nodoka gtkrc sets the icon sizes to > something that works well for whatever icon theme we end up making the > default. > > Matthias Thanks, that's it. I changed it to gtk-icon-sizes="panel-foobar=20,20:panel-menu=24,24:gtk-dnd=32,32:gtk-menu=16,16:gtk-large-toolbar=24,24:gtk-small-toolbar=16,16:gtk-button=20,20:gtk-dialog=48,48" and that seems OK, all icons in menus are displayed nice and sharp, I tested Echo, Mist and Bluecurve. Only the menus are slightly bigger (due to bigger icons) and I noticed buttons still use smaller sized icons (20x20) so these are blurry too, but if I change the icon sizes in buttons to 24x24 or 16x16 they are either too big or too small. So the solution there might be adding 20x20 set to echo, or inclusion of svgs. Also I noticed that I need not to restart the panel, changing of icon theme is sufficient. Martin -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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So I now request for making the Nodoka gtk and > metacity themes default in Rawhide. The new package will probably appear > in the repo later, currently its only in koji[1]. > > Thanks, > Martin > > References: > [1] http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/buildinfo?buildID=13392 > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list From martin.sourada at seznam.cz Sat Aug 11 16:23:05 2007 From: martin.sourada at seznam.cz (Martin Sourada) Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2007 18:23:05 +0200 Subject: [Nodoka] Request for change of default gtk/metacity theme in rawhide In-Reply-To: <1186844179.4250.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1186834706.2911.26.camel@pc-notebook> <1186844179.4250.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1186849385.2911.31.camel@pc-notebook> On Sat, 2007-08-11 at 16:56 +0200, Christopher David Desjardins wrote: > I may be crazy but when I downloaded this theme my scrollbars are all > grey and boxing and I thought the scrollbars would be blue. Have I not > installed something important? I'm running F7 btw. > Thanks, > Chris > No, the scrollbars aren't supposed to be blue, it's too distracting. In the earliest stages of development they were blue, but that was because code wasn't complete enough. You can compare how it looks for you with the screenshot [1] of the last version on the nodoka wiki [2]. If it's different than it would be most probably a bug. References: [1] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/NodokaTheme?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=nodoka-0.5.3.png [2] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/NodokaTheme -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I think we could at least specify the place to irc:#fedora-art? And how about 13th to 14th of August? Just after the package review hackfest ends... Just my 2 cents, Martin -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From mclasen at redhat.com Sun Aug 12 20:47:14 2007 From: mclasen at redhat.com (Matthias Clasen) Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2007 16:47:14 -0400 Subject: Nodo Message-ID: <1186951634.3339.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> From mclasen at redhat.com Sun Aug 12 20:55:53 2007 From: mclasen at redhat.com (Matthias Clasen) Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2007 16:55:53 -0400 Subject: Nodoka theme Message-ID: <1186952153.3339.9.camel@localhost.localdomain> I've built redhat-artwork and libgnome packages that switch the default theme in rawhide to Nodoka. I've also noticed some areas where the nodoka theme engine still needs some work: - inconsistent radio, check and toggle buttons are not drawn properly - fill levels in ranges are not handled very well - resize grips other than south-east are not implemented - spin button arrows don't prelight at all All of these problems can be checked with testgtk, which is included in the gtk tree (you'll have to build it yourself, though). Matthias From martin.sourada at seznam.cz Sun Aug 12 21:07:00 2007 From: martin.sourada at seznam.cz (Martin Sourada) Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2007 23:07:00 +0200 Subject: [Nodoka Theme] Are we going to finally enable it? In-Reply-To: <46BBFCA9.4070306@nicubunu.ro> References: <1186671151.3770.8.camel@pc-notebook> <46BBFCA9.4070306@nicubunu.ro> Message-ID: <1186952820.2956.17.camel@pc-notebook> On Fri, 2007-08-10 at 07:50 +0200, Nicu Buculei wrote: > Martin Sourada wrote: > It's been a while since I changed my default theme to Nokoda and it > seems fine. > It possible to get some hard numbers, to see how it stand > performance-wise compared with the current theme? Not sure what can be > used here, maybe GtkPerf [1] which is not packaged in Fedora. > > [1] - http://gtkperf.sourceforge.net/ > Hm... two years old app, yet it compiles and installs OK. In case you are interested, there are the results: with Nodoka: GtkEntry - time: 0.10 GtkComboBox - time: 3.00 GtkComboBoxEntry - time: 2.52 GtkSpinButton - time: 0.55 GtkProgressBar - time: 0.14 GtkToggleButton - time: 0.98 GtkCheckButton - time: 0.70 GtkRadioButton - time: 1.06 GtkTextView - Add text - time: 2.12 GtkTextView - Scroll - time: 0.78 GtkDrawingArea - Lines - time: 1.30 GtkDrawingArea - Circles - time: 2.56 GtkDrawingArea - Text - time: 2.97 GtkDrawingArea - Pixbufs - time: 0.25 --- Total time: 19.03 With Clearlooks: GtkEntry - time: 0.10 GtkComboBox - time: 2.99 GtkComboBoxEntry - time: 2.53 GtkSpinButton - time: 0.52 GtkProgressBar - time: 0.56 GtkToggleButton - time: 0.95 GtkCheckButton - time: 0.86 GtkRadioButton - time: 1.15 GtkTextView - Add text - time: 2.16 GtkTextView - Scroll - time: 0.69 GtkDrawingArea - Lines - time: 1.39 GtkDrawingArea - Circles - time: 2.56 GtkDrawingArea - Text - time: 2.92 GtkDrawingArea - Pixbufs - time: 0.25 --- Total time: 19.65 I personally think that the results for the widgets are rather same (i.e. difference is so small that it can taken as statistical error), only progressbar, checkbutton and radiobutton results are noticeably better (probably a result of optimisations I've done to it while testing it with gtk-theme-torturer)... The part from GTKTextView and GTKDrawingArea shouldn't be dependent much on the theme (I think, after seeing what it actually does during those tests...) I tested it previously (when I was on the vacations) with gtk-theme-torturer and did some optimisations back then so the Nodoka is generally faster than clearlooks, only in some areas it is slower. I however have no idea what most of those testing areas ( Boot-create, Boot-map, Boot-expose, Boot-destroy, Expose, Resize) mean... Nodoka usually falls behind Clearlooks in Boot-expose and Expose, while in Boot-map, Boot-destroy and Resize it's faster. In Boot-create it's mostly the same. I can maybe try to summarise the data and publish them in some 'form', but it's quite a lot data, so the graphs I tried so far aren't illustrative enough. I'll probably publish the results no sooner than we release 0.6 beta, as we expect to do further optimisations till then. Martin -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From martin.sourada at seznam.cz Sun Aug 12 21:18:58 2007 From: martin.sourada at seznam.cz (Martin Sourada) Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2007 23:18:58 +0200 Subject: Nodoka theme In-Reply-To: <1186952153.3339.9.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1186952153.3339.9.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1186953538.2956.27.camel@pc-notebook> On Sun, 2007-08-12 at 22:55 +0200, Matthias Clasen wrote: > I've built redhat-artwork and libgnome packages that switch the default > theme in rawhide to Nodoka. I've also noticed some areas where the > nodoka theme engine still needs some work: Thanks > > - inconsistent radio, check and toggle buttons are not drawn properly > This might be connected with check buttons positioning issue in firefox's menus, I noticed recently. It slipped because I don't use firefox and in all applications I use it was drawed and positioned correctly. > - fill levels in ranges are not handled very well > GTKScale, GTKProgressBar or both? It seems there is a small issue in the progress bar fill rendering, but I didn't noticed any issues in GTKScale > - resize grips other than south-east are not implemented > Inheritance from murrine. But as I looked previously in the code, it should not be hard to implement. Are there actually used anywhere? I didn't see them in other place yet... > - spin button arrows don't prelight at all > Yup, I think the spin button needs some work yet. Prelighted arrows are currently only in scroll bars. > All of these problems can be checked with testgtk, which is included > in the gtk tree (you'll have to build it yourself, though). Thanks, I'll try it. Every test tool is of great help (and testers as well). I hope we'll be granted space on fedora hosted so that we can run some kind of bugzilla to better track the issues. > > > Matthias > Martin -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Sun Aug 12 21:22:58 2007 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 02:52:58 +0530 Subject: Nodoka theme In-Reply-To: <1186953538.2956.27.camel@pc-notebook> References: <1186952153.3339.9.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1186953538.2956.27.camel@pc-notebook> Message-ID: <46BF7A32.60109@fedoraproject.org> Martin Sourada wrote: > On Sun, 2007-08-12 at 22:55 +0200, Matthias Clasen wrote: > This might be connected with check buttons positioning issue in > firefox's menus, I noticed recently. It slipped because I don't use > firefox and in all applications I use it was drawed and positioned > correctly. Firefox is the default browser and very popular. Expect to hear a lot of complaints if the theme doesn't work well regardless of whether it is the application's fault or not. >> All of these problems can be checked with testgtk, which is included >> in the gtk tree (you'll have to build it yourself, though). Can you make it available in the Fedora repository? Rahul From mclasen at redhat.com Sun Aug 12 21:27:02 2007 From: mclasen at redhat.com (Matthias Clasen) Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2007 17:27:02 -0400 Subject: Nodoka theme In-Reply-To: <46BF7A32.60109@fedoraproject.org> References: <1186952153.3339.9.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1186953538.2956.27.camel@pc-notebook> <46BF7A32.60109@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <1186954023.3339.13.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Mon, 2007-08-13 at 02:52 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > > >> All of these problems can be checked with testgtk, which is included > >> in the gtk tree (you'll have to build it yourself, though). > > Can you make it available in the Fedora repository? > Rather not. It is very much code written to break GTK+ in strange and unusual ways, not something you want people to look at as an example. It is not very hard to get it to compile outside the GTK+ tree, though. From martin.sourada at seznam.cz Sun Aug 12 21:35:55 2007 From: martin.sourada at seznam.cz (Martin Sourada) Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2007 23:35:55 +0200 Subject: Nodoka theme In-Reply-To: <46BF7A32.60109@fedoraproject.org> References: <1186952153.3339.9.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1186953538.2956.27.camel@pc-notebook> <46BF7A32.60109@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <1186954555.2956.37.camel@pc-notebook> On Sun, 2007-08-12 at 23:22 +0200, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > Martin Sourada wrote: > Firefox is the default browser and very popular. Expect to hear a lot of > complaints if the theme doesn't work well regardless of whether it is > the application's fault or not. > I expect. That's one of the reasons I wanted to make it available as soon as possible. More testing in rawhide => more discovered issues before final release. We (I and Daniel) cannot test every single thing all by ourselves. Still I wonder that nobody mentioned this issue yet though there are some people using Nodoka already. But maybe firefox users are used to this kind of issues. I happened to look into the configuration dialog in ff3alpha8pre and was horrified. Luckily it wasn't a issue in Nodoka, but in firefox itself. It just looked same (bad) with all themes... But in no way lessens the fact that the check box rendering issue is here and needs to be fixed. *snip* > Rahul -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Sun Aug 12 21:37:02 2007 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 03:07:02 +0530 Subject: [Nodoka Theme] Are we going to finally enable it? In-Reply-To: <1186952820.2956.17.camel@pc-notebook> References: <1186671151.3770.8.camel@pc-notebook> <46BBFCA9.4070306@nicubunu.ro> <1186952820.2956.17.camel@pc-notebook> Message-ID: <46BF7D7E.2050900@fedoraproject.org> Martin Sourada wrote: > On Fri, 2007-08-10 at 07:50 +0200, Nicu Buculei wrote: >> Martin Sourada wrote: >> It's been a while since I changed my default theme to Nokoda and it >> seems fine. >> It possible to get some hard numbers, to see how it stand >> performance-wise compared with the current theme? Not sure what can be >> used here, maybe GtkPerf [1] which is not packaged in Fedora. >> >> [1] - http://gtkperf.sourceforge.net/ >> > > Hm... two years old app, yet it compiles and installs OK. This is now available in the repository FYI. Rahul From martin.sourada at seznam.cz Sun Aug 12 21:44:46 2007 From: martin.sourada at seznam.cz (Martin Sourada) Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2007 23:44:46 +0200 Subject: [Nodoka Theme] Are we going to finally enable it? In-Reply-To: <46BF7D7E.2050900@fedoraproject.org> References: <1186671151.3770.8.camel@pc-notebook> <46BBFCA9.4070306@nicubunu.ro> <1186952820.2956.17.camel@pc-notebook> <46BF7D7E.2050900@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <1186955086.2956.39.camel@pc-notebook> On Sun, 2007-08-12 at 23:37 +0200, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > This is now available in the repository FYI. > > Rahul Thanks for the info, seems it will be available for F7 as well (was built in koji for F7 yesterday as well). Martin -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I'll attach a screenshot that shows how inconsistent buttons look in the default GTK+ style. > > - fill levels in ranges are not handled very well > > > GTKScale, GTKProgressBar or both? It seems there is a small issue in the > progress bar fill rendering, but I didn't noticed any issues in GTKScale Fill levels in range widgets, not progress bars. This is a new feature in GTK+ 2.12, so most themes don't handle it very well yet. You could be the first. I'll attach screenshot for this, too. > > - resize grips other than south-east are not implemented > > > Inheritance from murrine. But as I looked previously in the code, it > should not be hard to implement. Are there actually used anywhere? I > didn't see them in other place yet... At least south-west shows up in statusbars in LTR locales. The others are indeed very rare, and more of theoretical interest. > Thanks, I'll try it. Every test tool is of great help (and testers as > well). I hope we'll be granted space on fedora hosted so that we can run > some kind of bugzilla to better track the issues. Since the packages are in Fedora, you can get components in the Fedora product in bugzilla.redhat.com. Matthias -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Screenshot.png Type: image/png Size: 38235 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Martin -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From martin.sourada at seznam.cz Sun Aug 12 22:09:04 2007 From: martin.sourada at seznam.cz (Martin Sourada) Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 00:09:04 +0200 Subject: Nodoka theme In-Reply-To: <1186955533.3339.23.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1186952153.3339.9.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1186953538.2956.27.camel@pc-notebook> <1186955533.3339.23.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1186956544.2956.49.camel@pc-notebook> On Sun, 2007-08-12 at 23:52 +0200, Matthias Clasen wrote: > On Sun, 2007-08-12 at 23:18 +0200, Martin Sourada wrote: > > > > > - inconsistent radio, check and toggle buttons are not drawn properly > > > > > This might be connected with check buttons positioning issue in > > firefox's menus, I noticed recently. It slipped because I don't use > > firefox and in all applications I use it was drawed and positioned > > correctly. > > Unlikely. I'll attach a screenshot that shows how inconsistent buttons > look in the default GTK+ style. I've seen this with my own eyes just before this e-mail arrived. My bad :) > > > > - fill levels in ranges are not handled very well > > > > > GTKScale, GTKProgressBar or both? It seems there is a small issue in the > > progress bar fill rendering, but I didn't noticed any issues in GTKScale > > Fill levels in range widgets, not progress bars. This is a new feature > in GTK+ 2.12, so most themes don't handle it very well yet. You could > be the first. I'll attach screenshot for this, too. > Oh, and I suppose in the 2.11 devel version in the repos it is implemented already? > > > - resize grips other than south-east are not implemented > > > > > Inheritance from murrine. But as I looked previously in the code, it > > should not be hard to implement. Are there actually used anywhere? I > > didn't see them in other place yet... > > At least south-west shows up in statusbars in LTR locales. The others > are indeed very rare, and more of theoretical interest. > Ok, we'll fix this. > > Thanks, I'll try it. Every test tool is of great help (and testers as > > well). I hope we'll be granted space on fedora hosted so that we can run > > some kind of bugzilla to better track the issues. > > Since the packages are in Fedora, you can get components in the Fedora > product in bugzilla.redhat.com. > I had that though also. I'll probably ask on the test list for help with testing tomorrow and point them to the bugzilla.redhat.com for now. > Matthias Martin -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Rahul From cddesjardins at gmail.com Mon Aug 13 01:01:02 2007 From: cddesjardins at gmail.com (Christopher Desjardins) Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2007 20:01:02 -0500 Subject: Consistent Icon Theme in F8 and Splashy w/ Hibernate? Message-ID: Hi, Maybe this has been raised before but ... I think F8 needs a consistent icon theme in GNOME. In F7, the default icon theme is very nice except for the OpenOffice, Firefox, and Evolution icons. Why must these be the old Red Hat ones? Why not use the default icons or better yet improve on them to give a more consistent feel like what Ubuntu has done? I know this is minor but it looks less polished w/o a consistent theme for all the default icons at least. Also, I was reading that OpenSuse will be using Splashy instead of the seeing dialog when hibernating your computer ... Is this something that could be incorporated into F8 to make it also look more polished? Thanks, Chris From jovansp at googlemail.com Sat Aug 11 06:43:44 2007 From: jovansp at googlemail.com (Jovan Spasojevic) Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2007 08:43:44 +0200 Subject: Hello everyone, I have arrived. Message-ID: <1186814624.14819.0.camel@fedora.workstation> Hello, welcome and a good time here. regards, jovan -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I'm running F7 btw. > > Thanks, > > Chris > > > > No, the scrollbars aren't supposed to be blue, it's too distracting. In > the earliest stages of development they were blue, but that was because > code wasn't complete enough. You can compare how it looks for you with > the screenshot [1] of the last version on the nodoka wiki [2]. If it's > different than it would be most probably a bug. > > References: > [1] > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/NodokaTheme?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=nodoka-0.5.3.png > [2] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/NodokaTheme > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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It seems there is a small issue in the > progress bar fill rendering, but I didn't noticed any issues in GTKScale Fill levels in range widgets, not progress bars. This is a new feature in GTK+ 2.12, so most themes don't handle it very well yet. You could be the first. I'll attach screenshot for this, too. > > - resize grips other than south-east are not implemented > > > Inheritance from murrine. But as I looked previously in the code, it > should not be hard to implement. Are there actually used anywhere? I > didn't see them in other place yet... At least south-west shows up in statusbars in LTR locales. The others are indeed very rare, and more of theoretical interest. > Thanks, I'll try it. Every test tool is of great help (and testers as > well). I hope we'll be granted space on fedora hosted so that we can run > some kind of bugzilla to better track the issues. Since the packages are in Fedora, you can get components in the Fedora product in bugzilla.redhat.com. 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Anyway this is what I ended up with: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/F8Themes/Infinity/Round3Scratch What do you think? ~m From jjmasek at gmail.com Mon Aug 13 06:47:05 2007 From: jjmasek at gmail.com (Jiri Jakub Masek) Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 08:47:05 +0200 Subject: Fedora Infinity Update In-Reply-To: <46BFFB1F.1060300@redhat.com> References: <46BFFB1F.1060300@redhat.com> Message-ID: Hi M?ir?n, I like them, the fourth is the best, the third looks good but I can't accept the perspective of *pyramid steps*, it needs more work on dimensions to look naturally, I think... JJM 2007/8/13, M?ir??n Duffy : > > Hey folks, > > I've been playing around with the Fedora Infinity wallpaper this weekend > trying to get something I felt really comfortable with because I felt > that what we had at the end of round 2 just didn't have the level of > polish and 'bling' I think we were hoping for. > > Anyway this is what I ended up with: > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/F8Themes/Infinity/Round3Scratch > > What do you think? > > ~m > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list > -- I'm still learning English... Ji?? Jakub Ma?ek - Mr Jiri Jakub Masek Czech Republic, European Union http://jjm.xf.cz -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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It would be the *first* Fedora release with non-blue graphics. (note: yes, I know you received complaints "PLEASE not have an ALL BLUE background again", but I believe the color blue is part of our identity) Anyway, I think all purple is better than the blue-purple combination you tried in some places. I don't think is too distracting as a background, the white is soft and blurred, not solid, hard and contrasting. -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From luya_tfz at thefinalzone.com Mon Aug 13 07:24:49 2007 From: luya_tfz at thefinalzone.com (Luya Tshimbalanga) Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 03:24:49 -0400 Subject: Fedora Infinity Update In-Reply-To: <46BFFB1F.1060300@redhat.com> References: <46BFFB1F.1060300@redhat.com> Message-ID: <1186989889.46c0074128738@ssl.mecca.ca> Perhaps you should make the bridge a little bit abstract or subtle. The last background feels strange as the rays look distracting. -- Luya Tshimbalanga * Thinking too much like Fundamental Design class * Fedora Project contributor http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/LuyaTshimbalanga From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Mon Aug 13 07:48:50 2007 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 13:18:50 +0530 Subject: Fedora Infinity Update In-Reply-To: <46BFFB1F.1060300@redhat.com> References: <46BFFB1F.1060300@redhat.com> Message-ID: <46C00CE2.3000503@fedoraproject.org> M?ir??n Duffy wrote: > Hey folks, > > I've been playing around with the Fedora Infinity wallpaper this weekend > trying to get something I felt really comfortable with because I felt > that what we had at the end of round 2 just didn't have the level of > polish and 'bling' I think we were hoping for. > > Anyway this is what I ended up with: > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/F8Themes/Infinity/Round3Scratch > > What do you think? Would you mind posting some screenshots with the rawhide window manager and icon themes? It would be good to see how that looks. I think thps steps should stand out more prominently. I like the first one because the "infinity" part of it distinctly stand out and the third one because the stars add more perspective to the other plain purple sky. Rahul From nicolas.mailhot at laposte.net Mon Aug 13 08:56:48 2007 From: nicolas.mailhot at laposte.net (Nicolas Mailhot) Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 10:56:48 +0200 (CEST) Subject: Fedora Infinity Update In-Reply-To: References: <46BFFB1F.1060300@redhat.com> Message-ID: <8314.192.54.193.51.1186995408.squirrel@rousalka.dyndns.org> Le Lun 13 ao?t 2007 08:47, Jiri Jakub Masek a ?crit : > Hi M?ir?n, I like them, the fourth is the best, the third looks good > but I > can't accept the perspective of *pyramid steps*, it needs more work on > dimensions to look naturally, I think... I'm afraid I'm going to complain about colours again :) Purple is to be used very sparingly in artwork. You'll almost never see largely purple pages in ads or magazines, because that's a colour many people don't react well too (learnt it the hard way a few years ago). Seems we're wired to associate purple with sickness. If you do purple you need a very contrasting colour so the result does not appear predominantly purple. That or a red fringing. -- Nicolas Mailhot From duffy at redhat.com Mon Aug 13 11:19:36 2007 From: duffy at redhat.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?M=E1ir=ED=ADn_Duffy?=) Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 07:19:36 -0400 Subject: Fedora Infinity Update In-Reply-To: <46C00CE2.3000503@fedoraproject.org> References: <46BFFB1F.1060300@redhat.com> <46C00CE2.3000503@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <46C03E48.9000208@redhat.com> Rahul Sundaram wrote: > M?ir??n Duffy wrote: >> Hey folks, >> >> I've been playing around with the Fedora Infinity wallpaper this >> weekend trying to get something I felt really comfortable with because >> I felt that what we had at the end of round 2 just didn't have the >> level of polish and 'bling' I think we were hoping for. >> >> Anyway this is what I ended up with: >> >> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/F8Themes/Infinity/Round3Scratch >> >> What do you think? > > Would you mind posting some screenshots with the rawhide window manager > and icon themes? It would be good to see how that looks. I don't actually run rawhide (I don't have much of an option) but if you do I would appreciate the screenshot. > I think thps > steps should stand out more prominently. See, I don't think that's a good idea. If they were anymore prominent, they'd be too distracting for a background - too much contrast. I like the first one because > the "infinity" part of it distinctly stand out and the third one because > the stars add more perspective to the other plain purple sky. Okay, I think I may try the new stars/bling with the first one and see how that looks. On my blog comments though it appears the bridge artwork is wildly unpopular... but it would be worth it to see how it looks. ~m From duffy at redhat.com Mon Aug 13 11:22:57 2007 From: duffy at redhat.com (=?UTF-8?B?TcOhaXLDrcKtbiBEdWZmeQ==?=) Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 07:22:57 -0400 Subject: Fedora Infinity Update In-Reply-To: <8314.192.54.193.51.1186995408.squirrel@rousalka.dyndns.org> References: <46BFFB1F.1060300@redhat.com> <8314.192.54.193.51.1186995408.squirrel@rousalka.dyndns.org> Message-ID: <46C03F11.8070203@redhat.com> Nicolas Mailhot wrote: > Le Lun 13 ao?t 2007 08:47, Jiri Jakub Masek a ?crit : >> Hi M?ir?n, I like them, the fourth is the best, the third looks good >> but I >> can't accept the perspective of *pyramid steps*, it needs more work on >> dimensions to look naturally, I think... > > I'm afraid I'm going to complain about colours again :) > > Purple is to be used very sparingly in artwork. You'll almost never > see largely purple pages in ads or magazines, because that's a colour > many people don't react well too (learnt it the hard way a few years > ago). Seems we're wired to associate purple with sickness. This sounds like a bit of an urban myth? I've never heard of this and I've a design degree - I would love to know where you've heard this? > If you do purple you need a very contrasting colour so the result does > not appear predominantly purple. That or a red fringing. ~m From martin.sourada at seznam.cz Mon Aug 13 11:35:34 2007 From: martin.sourada at seznam.cz (Martin Sourada) Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 13:35:34 +0200 Subject: [Nodoka] Request for change of default gtk/metacity theme in rawhide In-Reply-To: <1186857076.2960.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1186834706.2911.26.camel@pc-notebook> <1186844179.4250.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1186849385.2911.31.camel@pc-notebook> <1186857076.2960.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1187004934.22621.18.camel@pc-notebook> On Sat, 2007-08-11 at 20:31 +0200, Christopher David Desjardins wrote: > Here's what it looks like here. > Cheers, > Chris > Sorry for the late answer, but the mail somehow didn't arrive until today. Definitely not what Nodoka should like. I suspected that it's the combination of Fedora 7's gtk and rawhide's gtk-nodoka-engine and indeed it is. You can either update the gtk to rawhide version or rebuild the gtk-nodoka-engine package. Martin -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From nicolas.mailhot at laposte.net Mon Aug 13 11:52:40 2007 From: nicolas.mailhot at laposte.net (Nicolas Mailhot) Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 13:52:40 +0200 (CEST) Subject: Fedora Infinity Update In-Reply-To: <46C03F11.8070203@redhat.com> References: <46BFFB1F.1060300@redhat.com> <8314.192.54.193.51.1186995408.squirrel@rousalka.dyndns.org> <46C03F11.8070203@redhat.com> Message-ID: <37769.192.54.193.51.1187005960.squirrel@rousalka.dyndns.org> Le Lun 13 ao?t 2007 13:22, M?ir??n Duffy a ?crit : > This sounds like a bit of an urban myth? I've never heard of this and > I've a design degree - I would love to know where you've heard this? In a previous life I helped organise an event. We organised a competition to choose the picture that would appear on brochures, leaflets, ads, etc The design winner was purplish (with a bluish gradient, just like your mokups). The print shop warned us this was not a popular colour and we'd be well advised to ask the designer to change the main tone. We went through anyway. On hindsight this was a mistake - we had many remarks on the colour, and even today I have mixed feelings when I look at the art material I kept as a remembrance (esp compared to the ones produced by the teams that organised the previous and next iterations) Since then I've looked twice whenever I encounter purple artwork. I've found out the print shop was right - it is very rarely used, and when it is it's predominently with a hard contrasting colour (black, silver, white) to tone down the purple impression. The very few cases I've seen it in a big gradient were somehow less than optimal just like our own attempt. Hindsight is a wonderful thing :( -- Nicolas Mailhot From duffy at redhat.com Mon Aug 13 12:05:36 2007 From: duffy at redhat.com (=?UTF-8?B?TcOhaXLDrcKtbiBEdWZmeQ==?=) Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 08:05:36 -0400 Subject: Fedora Infinity Update In-Reply-To: <37769.192.54.193.51.1187005960.squirrel@rousalka.dyndns.org> References: <46BFFB1F.1060300@redhat.com> <8314.192.54.193.51.1186995408.squirrel@rousalka.dyndns.org> <46C03F11.8070203@redhat.com> <37769.192.54.193.51.1187005960.squirrel@rousalka.dyndns.org> Message-ID: <46C04910.2030109@redhat.com> Nicolas Mailhot wrote: > In a previous life I helped organise an event. We organised a > competition to choose the picture that would appear on brochures, > leaflets, ads, etc The design winner was purplish (with a bluish > gradient, just like your mokups). > > The print shop warned us this was not a popular colour and we'd be > well advised to ask the designer to change the main tone. We went > through anyway. On hindsight this was a mistake - we had many remarks > on the colour, and even today I have mixed feelings when I look at > the art material I kept as a remembrance (esp compared to the ones > produced by the teams that organised the previous and next iterations) > > Since then I've looked twice whenever I encounter purple artwork. I've > found out the print shop was right - it is very rarely used, and when > it is it's predominently with a hard contrasting colour (black, > silver, white) to tone down the purple impression. The very few cases > I've seen it in a big gradient were somehow less than optimal just > like our own attempt. Ah okay. I am intending to add a lot more of the darker blue color to the gradient anyway but was just curious because this is just something I've not ever heard. Was it the same shade of purple? Or was it a more violet / reddish-hued purple? ~m From nicolas.mailhot at laposte.net Mon Aug 13 12:24:46 2007 From: nicolas.mailhot at laposte.net (Nicolas Mailhot) Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 14:24:46 +0200 (CEST) Subject: Fedora Infinity Update In-Reply-To: <46C04910.2030109@redhat.com> References: <46BFFB1F.1060300@redhat.com> <8314.192.54.193.51.1186995408.squirrel@rousalka.dyndns.org> <46C03F11.8070203@redhat.com> <37769.192.54.193.51.1187005960.squirrel@rousalka.dyndns.org> <46C04910.2030109@redhat.com> Message-ID: <20191.192.54.193.51.1187007886.squirrel@rousalka.dyndns.org> Le Lun 13 ao?t 2007 14:05, M?ir??n Duffy a ?crit : > Ah okay. I am intending to add a lot more of the darker blue color to > the gradient anyway but was just curious because this is just > something > I've not ever heard. Was it the same shade of purple? Or was it a more > violet / reddish-hued purple? I don't have the material under the eyes but IIRC it was purple->dark blue with a white/blue element in the middle. I think (but I may be wrong) that a purplish gradient with a bright warm yellow/red element (such as sunset) is fine, as is a flat bright purple element within some other totally different colour (like a flowerbed against a white wall, blue sky or green vegetation). What trips human distate is purple to another cool colour gradient (blue, white, gray) without something to offset it. As I wrote before this kind of colour does not happen in nature except in a sickness context. -- Nicolas Mailhot From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Mon Aug 13 12:41:00 2007 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 15:41:00 +0300 Subject: [Nodoka] Request for change of default gtk/metacity theme in rawhide In-Reply-To: <1187004934.22621.18.camel@pc-notebook> References: <1186834706.2911.26.camel@pc-notebook> <1186844179.4250.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1186849385.2911.31.camel@pc-notebook> <1186857076.2960.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1187004934.22621.18.camel@pc-notebook> Message-ID: <46C0515C.1050708@nicubunu.ro> Martin Sourada wrote: > On Sat, 2007-08-11 at 20:31 +0200, Christopher David Desjardins wrote: >> Here's what it looks like here. > > Sorry for the late answer, but the mail somehow didn't arrive until > today. Most probably due to the large attachment the mail went to moderation and the moderator (me) was not online during the week-end :p -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From martin.sourada at seznam.cz Mon Aug 13 12:46:21 2007 From: martin.sourada at seznam.cz (Martin Sourada) Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 14:46:21 +0200 Subject: [Nodoka] Request for change of default gtk/metacity theme in rawhide In-Reply-To: <46C0515C.1050708@nicubunu.ro> References: <1186834706.2911.26.camel@pc-notebook> <1186844179.4250.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1186849385.2911.31.camel@pc-notebook> <1186857076.2960.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1187004934.22621.18.camel@pc-notebook> <46C0515C.1050708@nicubunu.ro> Message-ID: <1187009181.23550.1.camel@pc-notebook> On Mon, 2007-08-13 at 14:41 +0200, Nicu Buculei wrote: > Martin Sourada wrote: > > On Sat, 2007-08-11 at 20:31 +0200, Christopher David Desjardins wrote: > >> Here's what it looks like here. > > > > Sorry for the late answer, but the mail somehow didn't arrive until > > today. > > Most probably due to the large attachment the mail went to moderation > and the moderator (me) was not online during the week-end :p > Hehe, I didn't think of that possibility, rather thought the problem was on my side :) Anyway, thanks for the clarification. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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So I made in inkscape two blue gradients (brigther and darker) and in gimp desaturated the original version and combined it variously with the gradients. The first one [1] I include only because I think there is some feeling in it, but it's not good for default Fedora wallpaper... Its too bright and has no trace of blue ;-) But it's somehow mystical... The second [2] is light blue and third [3] is darker blue. The dark one seems to look best on a desktop. M?ir?n, do you want me to do a screenshots of your wallpapers together with rawhide's default gnome theme? I don't run rawhide, but use the nodoka theme which was recently made rawhide's default and also have installed the rawhide's default icons (which are the same as in Fedora 7). However, IMHO, the wallpapers fit Echo icons better than the Mist ones... Do you have any special request as to what app(s) should be used on it? Note, however, that I have wide (16:10) screen so the wallpapers will be cut... 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Yummy -- Nicolas Mailhot From tw2113 at gmail.com Mon Aug 13 14:46:28 2007 From: tw2113 at gmail.com (Michael Beckwith) Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 09:46:28 -0500 Subject: Fedora Infinity Update In-Reply-To: <46BFFB1F.1060300@redhat.com> References: <46BFFB1F.1060300@redhat.com> Message-ID: <9b437e950708130746k6e17a0ccx825a6481b0a816d9@mail.gmail.com> I honestly like the last one that Mairin did with the rays of light. When I first saw it, the impression I had was that of a ghosted roller coaster track, taking us up and off the wallpaper, as if going into the infinite abyss above. In a lot of ways that's what the chosen theme is about anyway. Taking people to new unknown places. As for the colors that she used, I think the purple isn't bad persay, but based on the experiences that Nicolas posted about, perhaps that gradient should be narrowed to just the top part? I clearly those two colors work good together, but maybe should be more off balance in regards to area they cover. I also like what martin did with the colors for the 4th one, but I think, if anything, the yellow one should have some sort of hint of blue, just for visual tying to previous versions of Fedora. As much as blue isn't wanted as the only color, it is one of our forms of recognition in the open source community. On 8/13/07, M?ir??n Duffy wrote: > > Hey folks, > > I've been playing around with the Fedora Infinity wallpaper this weekend > trying to get something I felt really comfortable with because I felt > that what we had at the end of round 2 just didn't have the level of > polish and 'bling' I think we were hoping for. > > Anyway this is what I ended up with: > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/F8Themes/Infinity/Round3Scratch > > What do you think? > > ~m > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From cddesjardins at gmail.com Mon Aug 13 14:53:17 2007 From: cddesjardins at gmail.com (Christopher David Desjardins) Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 09:53:17 -0500 Subject: Fedora Infinity Update In-Reply-To: <1187014197.23550.16.camel@pc-notebook> References: <46BFFB1F.1060300@redhat.com> <8314.192.54.193.51.1186995408.squirrel@rousalka.dyndns.org> <46C03F11.8070203@redhat.com> <37769.192.54.193.51.1187005960.squirrel@rousalka.dyndns.org> <46C04910.2030109@redhat.com> <20191.192.54.193.51.1187007886.squirrel@rousalka.dyndns.org> <1187014197.23550.16.camel@pc-notebook> Message-ID: <1187016797.27757.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> I quite like the Infinitelines-overlay2 myself. The Inifinitelines-divide reminds me of Ubuntu. The first overlap is nice too just doesn't seem to have as much breadth and fullness as the 2nd. On Mon, 2007-08-13 at 16:09 +0200, Martin Sourada wrote: > I put together in gimp some different colour variants of the fourth > wallpaper, as I like that one most of all. The purple somehow reminds me > of Christmas - not a good thing in the middle of summer :-D... So I made > in inkscape two blue gradients (brigther and darker) and in gimp > desaturated the original version and combined it variously with the > gradients. The first one [1] I include only because I think there is > some feeling in it, but it's not good for default Fedora wallpaper... > Its too bright and has no trace of blue ;-) But it's somehow mystical... > The second [2] is light blue and third [3] is darker blue. The dark one > seems to look best on a desktop. > > M?ir?n, do you want me to do a screenshots of your wallpapers together > with rawhide's default gnome theme? I don't run rawhide, but use the > nodoka theme which was recently made rawhide's default and also have > installed the rawhide's default icons (which are the same as in Fedora > 7). However, IMHO, the wallpapers fit Echo icons better than the Mist > ones... Do you have any special request as to what app(s) should be used > on it? Note, however, that I have wide (16:10) screen so the wallpapers > will be cut... > > Martin > > References: > [1] > http://mso.fedorapeople.org/wallpapers/infinitelines-divide_1600x1200.png > [2] > http://mso.fedorapeople.org/wallpapers/infinitelines-overlay_1600x1200.png > [3] > http://mso.fedorapeople.org/wallpapers/infinitelines-overlay2_1600x1200.png > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list From duffy at redhat.com Mon Aug 13 15:04:55 2007 From: duffy at redhat.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?M=E1ir=EDn_Duffy?=) Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 11:04:55 -0400 Subject: Fedora Infinity Update In-Reply-To: <9b437e950708130746k6e17a0ccx825a6481b0a816d9@mail.gmail.com> References: <46BFFB1F.1060300@redhat.com> <9b437e950708130746k6e17a0ccx825a6481b0a816d9@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <46C07317.1030806@redhat.com> Michael Beckwith wrote: > I honestly like the last one that Mairin did with the rays of light. > When I first saw it, the impression I had was that of a ghosted roller > coaster track, taking us up and off the wallpaper, as if going into the > infinite abyss above. In a lot of ways that's what the chosen theme is > about anyway. Taking people to new unknown places. As for the colors > that she used, I think the purple isn't bad persay, but based on the > experiences that Nicolas posted about, perhaps that gradient should be > narrowed to just the top part? I clearly those two colors work good > together, but maybe should be more off balance in regards to area they > cover. Yeh, Nicolas' point is well-taken, I tried this: http://duffy.fedorapeople.org/art/infinity/gimp-processed/3.png So the blue is much darker and stronger and the purple area much more limited. (Other variants are in that dir too if you want to poke around, with the gimp XCF files... Martin's yellow version inspired me to play around in the gimp :) ) > I also like what martin did with the colors for the 4th one, but I > think, if anything, the yellow one should have some sort of hint of > blue, just for visual tying to previous versions of Fedora. As much as > blue isn't wanted as the only color, it is one of our forms of > recognition in the open source community. Yep, we definitely still need a strong blue presence! ~m From duffy at redhat.com Mon Aug 13 15:08:05 2007 From: duffy at redhat.com (=?UTF-8?B?TcOhaXLDrW4gRHVmZnk=?=) Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 11:08:05 -0400 Subject: Fedora Infinity Update In-Reply-To: <1187014197.23550.16.camel@pc-notebook> References: <46BFFB1F.1060300@redhat.com> <8314.192.54.193.51.1186995408.squirrel@rousalka.dyndns.org> <46C03F11.8070203@redhat.com> <37769.192.54.193.51.1187005960.squirrel@rousalka.dyndns.org> <46C04910.2030109@redhat.com> <20191.192.54.193.51.1187007886.squirrel@rousalka.dyndns.org> <1187014197.23550.16.camel@pc-notebook> Message-ID: <46C073D5.4090108@redhat.com> Martin Sourada wrote: > I put together in gimp some different colour variants of the fourth > wallpaper, as I like that one most of all. The purple somehow reminds me > of Christmas - not a good thing in the middle of summer :-D... So I made > in inkscape two blue gradients (brigther and darker) and in gimp > desaturated the original version and combined it variously with the > gradients. The first one [1] I include only because I think there is > some feeling in it, but it's not good for default Fedora wallpaper... > Its too bright and has no trace of blue ;-) But it's somehow mystical... > The second [2] is light blue and third [3] is darker blue. The dark one > seems to look best on a desktop. I talked to you about these in IRC :) But just to reiterate for everyone else, I really loved the yellow one and I tried to incorporate that effect in these: http://duffy.fedorapeople.org/art/infinity/gimp-processed > M?ir?n, do you want me to do a screenshots of your wallpapers together > with rawhide's default gnome theme? I don't run rawhide, but use the > nodoka theme which was recently made rawhide's default and also have > installed the rawhide's default icons (which are the same as in Fedora > 7). However, IMHO, the wallpapers fit Echo icons better than the Mist > ones... Do you have any special request as to what app(s) should be used > on it? Note, however, that I have wide (16:10) screen so the wallpapers > will be cut... That would be great! I do think the colors need to be adjusted a bit to fit the Mist icon set. It should be okay to just stretch the wallpaper to fit the 16:10 screen, it'll give us a feel for the color match. Maybe have a nautilus window open with some icons and maybe the wallpaper dialog? ~m From dimitris at glezos.com Mon Aug 13 15:50:52 2007 From: dimitris at glezos.com (Dimitris Glezos) Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 16:50:52 +0100 Subject: Fedora Infinity Update In-Reply-To: <46C073D5.4090108@redhat.com> References: <46BFFB1F.1060300@redhat.com> <8314.192.54.193.51.1186995408.squirrel@rousalka.dyndns.org> <46C03F11.8070203@redhat.com> <37769.192.54.193.51.1187005960.squirrel@rousalka.dyndns.org> <46C04910.2030109@redhat.com> <20191.192.54.193.51.1187007886.squirrel@rousalka.dyndns.org> <1187014197.23550.16.camel@pc-notebook> <46C073D5.4090108@redhat.com> Message-ID: <46C07DDC.3050508@glezos.com> O/H M?ir?n Duffy ??????: > Martin Sourada wrote: >> I put together in gimp some different colour variants of the fourth >> wallpaper, as I like that one most of all. The purple somehow reminds me >> of Christmas - not a good thing in the middle of summer :-D... So I made >> in inkscape two blue gradients (brigther and darker) and in gimp >> desaturated the original version and combined it variously with the >> gradients. The first one [1] I include only because I think there is >> some feeling in it, but it's not good for default Fedora wallpaper... >> Its too bright and has no trace of blue ;-) But it's somehow mystical... >> The second [2] is light blue and third [3] is darker blue. The dark one >> seems to look best on a desktop. > > I talked to you about these in IRC :) But just to reiterate for everyone > else, I really loved the yellow one and I tried to incorporate that > effect in these: > > http://duffy.fedorapeople.org/art/infinity/gimp-processed 3.png is absolutely awesome. I particularly like the soundwave consisting of vertical lines of the base theme; it breaks the monotony and lifelessness of the image of something non biological. It seems like a voice, and having that orthogonally placed with the vertical lines is just absolutely gorgeous. Great work everybody! :) -d >> M?ir?n, do you want me to do a screenshots of your wallpapers together >> with rawhide's default gnome theme? I don't run rawhide, but use the >> nodoka theme which was recently made rawhide's default and also have >> installed the rawhide's default icons (which are the same as in Fedora >> 7). However, IMHO, the wallpapers fit Echo icons better than the Mist >> ones... Do you have any special request as to what app(s) should be used >> on it? Note, however, that I have wide (16:10) screen so the wallpapers >> will be cut... > > That would be great! > > I do think the colors need to be adjusted a bit to fit the Mist icon > set. It should be okay to just stretch the wallpaper to fit the 16:10 > screen, it'll give us a feel for the color match. Maybe have a nautilus > window open with some icons and maybe the wallpaper dialog? -- Dimitris Glezos Jabber ID: glezos at jabber.org, GPG: 0xA5A04C3B http://dimitris.glezos.com/ "He who gives up functionality for ease of use loses both and deserves neither." (Anonymous) -- From luya_tfz at thefinalzone.com Mon Aug 13 16:46:18 2007 From: luya_tfz at thefinalzone.com (Luya Tshimbalanga) Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 09:46:18 -0700 Subject: hosted.fedoraproject.org/projects/echo-icon-theme ready Message-ID: <46C08ADA.4080207@thefinalzone.com> After week of waiting, echo-icon-theme package has a permanent host, it is called hosted.fedoraproject.org/projects/echo-icon-theme . I have added the icons already. You can can now add/remove icons easily. If you like to get account of that host, go to the admit account and request permission to gitecho-icon-theme. Luya From martin.sourada at seznam.cz Mon Aug 13 17:25:41 2007 From: martin.sourada at seznam.cz (Martin Sourada) Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 19:25:41 +0200 Subject: hosted.fedoraproject.org/projects/echo-icon-theme ready In-Reply-To: <46C08ADA.4080207@thefinalzone.com> References: <46C08ADA.4080207@thefinalzone.com> Message-ID: <1187025941.13406.2.camel@pc-notebook> On Mon, 2007-08-13 at 18:46 +0200, Luya Tshimbalanga wrote: > After week of waiting, echo-icon-theme package has a permanent host, it > is called > hosted.fedoraproject.org/projects/echo-icon-theme . I have added the > icons already. > > You can can now add/remove icons easily. If you like to get account of > that host, go to the admit account and request permission to > gitecho-icon-theme. > > > Luya > Good to hear. But, maybe it's a dumb question, but where can I get the icons? I tried git clone git://git.fedoraproject.org/git/hosted/echo-icon-theme and it pulled only a README file (and git repo settings). 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On 8/13/07, M?ir?n Duffy wrote: > > Michael Beckwith wrote: > > I honestly like the last one that Mairin did with the rays of light. > > When I first saw it, the impression I had was that of a ghosted roller > > coaster track, taking us up and off the wallpaper, as if going into the > > infinite abyss above. In a lot of ways that's what the chosen theme is > > about anyway. Taking people to new unknown places. As for the colors > > that she used, I think the purple isn't bad persay, but based on the > > experiences that Nicolas posted about, perhaps that gradient should be > > narrowed to just the top part? I clearly those two colors work good > > together, but maybe should be more off balance in regards to area they > > cover. > > Yeh, Nicolas' point is well-taken, I tried this: > > http://duffy.fedorapeople.org/art/infinity/gimp-processed/3.png > > So the blue is much darker and stronger and the purple area much more > limited. 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I tried > > git clone git://git.fedoraproject.org/git/hosted/echo-icon-theme > > and it pulled only a README file (and git repo settings). Browse source > on the Trac also shows only the README file. > Sorry. I haven't time to extract the icon into the directory. It will come shortly. Luya -- ??D0 References: <46BFFB1F.1060300@redhat.com> <8314.192.54.193.51.1186995408.squirrel@rousalka.dyndns.org> <46C03F11.8070203@redhat.com> Message-ID: <46C11D88.3070609@fedoraproject.org> M?ir??n Duffy wrote: > > This sounds like a bit of an urban myth? I've never heard of this and > I've a design degree - I would love to know where you've heard this? Purple is the Gentoo color. See http://gentoo.org including their icon theme. Rahul From duffy at redhat.com Tue Aug 14 03:35:44 2007 From: duffy at redhat.com (=?UTF-8?B?TcOhaXLDrcKtbiBEdWZmeQ==?=) Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 23:35:44 -0400 Subject: Fedora Infinity Update In-Reply-To: <46C11D88.3070609@fedoraproject.org> References: <46BFFB1F.1060300@redhat.com> <8314.192.54.193.51.1186995408.squirrel@rousalka.dyndns.org> <46C03F11.8070203@redhat.com> <46C11D88.3070609@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <46C12310.7080106@redhat.com> Rahul Sundaram wrote: > M?ir??n Duffy wrote: > >> >> This sounds like a bit of an urban myth? I've never heard of this and >> I've a design degree - I would love to know where you've heard this? > > Purple is the Gentoo color. See http://gentoo.org including their icon > theme. Isn't it kind of silly to reject any single color because of its symbolic meaning to another distro? Even SLES has used blue as the primary color in some of its themes: http://jimmac.musichall.cz/themesets.php The purple is an accent color, not the primary color. If we were to reject particular colors because of their symbolic meaning elsewhere, we'd have no colors left to work with. Also, Gentoo doesn't have much to do with this part of the thread? ~m From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Tue Aug 14 04:56:17 2007 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2007 10:26:17 +0530 Subject: Fedora Infinity Update In-Reply-To: <46C12310.7080106@redhat.com> References: <46BFFB1F.1060300@redhat.com> <8314.192.54.193.51.1186995408.squirrel@rousalka.dyndns.org> <46C03F11.8070203@redhat.com> <46C11D88.3070609@fedoraproject.org> <46C12310.7080106@redhat.com> Message-ID: <46C135F1.7050100@fedoraproject.org> M?ir??n Duffy wrote: > Rahul Sundaram wrote: >> M?ir??n Duffy wrote: >> >>> >>> This sounds like a bit of an urban myth? I've never heard of this and >>> I've a design degree - I would love to know where you've heard this? >> >> Purple is the Gentoo color. See http://gentoo.org including their icon >> theme. > > Isn't it kind of silly to reject any single color because of its > symbolic meaning to another distro? Even SLES has used blue as the > primary color in some of its themes: > http://jimmac.musichall.cz/themesets.php > > The purple is an accent color, not the primary color. If we were to > reject particular colors because of their symbolic meaning elsewhere, > we'd have no colors left to work with. > > Also, Gentoo doesn't have much to do with this part of the thread? Not asking anyone to reject Purple. Just pointing out that it is already being used predominantly in another distribution and that to a extend invalidates the argument that people dont like purple as a color. Rahul From tw2113 at gmail.com Tue Aug 14 05:15:26 2007 From: tw2113 at gmail.com (Michael Beckwith) Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2007 00:15:26 -0500 Subject: Fedora Infinity Update In-Reply-To: <46C135F1.7050100@fedoraproject.org> References: <46BFFB1F.1060300@redhat.com> <8314.192.54.193.51.1186995408.squirrel@rousalka.dyndns.org> <46C03F11.8070203@redhat.com> <46C11D88.3070609@fedoraproject.org> <46C12310.7080106@redhat.com> <46C135F1.7050100@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <9b437e950708132215h79d03751g2927b8ceab21767a@mail.gmail.com> I see what Rahul is saying. He's not saying that we shouldn't use purple cause Gentoo does, he's saying that because Gentoo does, we shouldn't shy away from the color. On 8/13/07, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > > M?ir??n Duffy wrote: > > Rahul Sundaram wrote: > >> M?ir??n Duffy wrote: > >> > >>> > >>> This sounds like a bit of an urban myth? I've never heard of this and > >>> I've a design degree - I would love to know where you've heard this? > >> > >> Purple is the Gentoo color. See http://gentoo.org including their icon > >> theme. > > > > Isn't it kind of silly to reject any single color because of its > > symbolic meaning to another distro? Even SLES has used blue as the > > primary color in some of its themes: > > http://jimmac.musichall.cz/themesets.php > > > > The purple is an accent color, not the primary color. If we were to > > reject particular colors because of their symbolic meaning elsewhere, > > we'd have no colors left to work with. > > > > Also, Gentoo doesn't have much to do with this part of the thread? > > Not asking anyone to reject Purple. Just pointing out that it is already > being used predominantly in another distribution and that to a extend > invalidates the argument that people dont like purple as a color. > > Rahul > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Luya From martin.sourada at seznam.cz Tue Aug 14 07:37:19 2007 From: martin.sourada at seznam.cz (Martin Sourada) Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2007 09:37:19 +0200 Subject: Using git command and trac In-Reply-To: <46C15214.6010802@thefinalzone.com> References: <46C15214.6010802@thefinalzone.com> Message-ID: <1187077039.13406.21.camel@pc-notebook> On Tue, 2007-08-14 at 08:56 +0200, Luya Tshimbalanga wrote: > Following the instructions about using git, I did not see any change > into the browser from > https://hosted.fedoraproject.org/projects/echo-icon-theme/browser even > though I have committed the change. Is there something wrong with Trac? > > Luya > Luya, I was setting up a nodoka git repository yesterday and I succeeded, so I think the trac is working. However, I wasn't able to get it working using the command Jesse noted in the trac ticket. I got it working this way: 1. clone the current git repository git clone git://git.fedoraproject.org/git/hosted/echo-icon-theme 2. copy the echo icons into the created folder 3. add them to the local repository using git add (note that this is a bit tricky, as it does not have any output...) 4. commit changes git commit 5. push it back to the remote server git push git://git.fedoraproject.org/git/hosted/echo-icon-theme Hope I remember it correctly... Also, the changes are instantly accessible via git but in the trac they appear about half an hour later, it seems. Martin -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Luya [1]http://www.fieldses.org/~bfields/kernel/git.html From martin.sourada at seznam.cz Tue Aug 14 08:24:32 2007 From: martin.sourada at seznam.cz (Martin Sourada) Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2007 10:24:32 +0200 Subject: Using git command and trac In-Reply-To: <46C16384.9030803@thefinalzone.com> References: <46C15214.6010802@thefinalzone.com> <1187077039.13406.21.camel@pc-notebook> <1187077205.13406.23.camel@pc-notebook> <46C16384.9030803@thefinalzone.com> Message-ID: <1187079872.13406.30.camel@pc-notebook> On Tue, 2007-08-14 at 10:10 +0200, Luya Tshimbalanga wrote: > Martin Sourada a ?crit : > > Well, sorry... this should be: > > git push ssh://git.fedoraproject.org/git/hosted/echo-icon-theme > > > That was the last command I needed to execute. I have followed the > instruction from this page[1]. The push command was missing. Thanks. > > Luya > > > [1]http://www.fieldses.org/~bfields/kernel/git.html > Yep, I can clone the repository now :) I see though that you used an older snapshot than that on luya.fedorapeople.org and included the symlinks as well. And so, because it's in a directory with version number included (echo-icon-theme-0.2-20070427wiki), where are we supposed to upload new icons? Are you going to create the final layout yet, or is the current layout final? Martin -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Is there something wrong with Trac? >> >> Luya >> > > Luya, > > I was setting up a nodoka git repository yesterday and I succeeded, so I > think the trac is working. However, I wasn't able to get it working > using the command Jesse noted in the trac ticket. I got it working this > way: > > 1. clone the current git repository > git clone git://git.fedoraproject.org/git/hosted/echo-icon-theme > 2. copy the echo icons into the created folder > 3. add them to the local repository using git add (note that this is a > bit tricky, as it does not have any output...) > 4. commit changes > git commit > 5. push it back to the remote server > git push git://git.fedoraproject.org/git/hosted/echo-icon-theme > > Hope I remember it correctly... > > Also, the changes are instantly accessible via git but in the trac they > appear about half an hour later, it seems. > > Martin I have also added svg icons inot well organized folder though not really identical to their png version. It is ready in time for the Virtual Fudcon status report I will do later. It should now be easier to add/edit/delete created icons than ever. Only steps are to create pages that can display them on trac similar to this page.[1] [1] Luyahttp://git.jimmac.net/ - -- ??D0 From luya_tfz at thefinalzone.com Tue Aug 14 08:42:16 2007 From: luya_tfz at thefinalzone.com (Luya Tshimbalanga) Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2007 01:42:16 -0700 Subject: Using git command and trac In-Reply-To: <1187079872.13406.30.camel@pc-notebook> References: <46C15214.6010802@thefinalzone.com> <1187077039.13406.21.camel@pc-notebook> <1187077205.13406.23.camel@pc-notebook> <46C16384.9030803@thefinalzone.com> <1187079872.13406.30.camel@pc-notebook> Message-ID: <46C16AE8.7040504@thefinalzone.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Martin Sourada a ?crit : > On Tue, 2007-08-14 at 10:10 +0200, Luya Tshimbalanga wrote: >> Martin Sourada a ?crit : >>> Well, sorry... this should be: git push >>> ssh://git.fedoraproject.org/git/hosted/echo-icon-theme >>> >> That was the last command I needed to execute. I have followed >> the instruction from this page[1]. The push command was missing. >> Thanks. >> >> Luya >> >> >> [1]http://www.fieldses.org/~bfields/kernel/git.html >> > > Yep, I can clone the repository now :) I see though that you used > an older snapshot than that on luya.fedorapeople.org and included > the symlinks as well. And so, because it's in a directory with > version number included (echo-icon-theme-0.2-20070427wiki), where > are we supposed to upload new icons? Are you going to create the > final layout yet, or is the current layout final? > > Martin Actually, I overwrote the directory of echo-icon-theme-0.2 with the more recent version found on luya.fedorapeople.org. Only theme.index has not changed yet. I renamed the folder "echo-icon-theme-0.3-1" to reflect the transition from wiki. Hope Matthias does not mind at all. I think some svg icons might miss so feel free to add them. 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URL: From luya_tfz at thefinalzone.com Tue Aug 14 09:11:18 2007 From: luya_tfz at thefinalzone.com (Luya Tshimbalanga) Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2007 02:11:18 -0700 Subject: Using git command and trac In-Reply-To: <1187079872.13406.30.camel@pc-notebook> References: <46C15214.6010802@thefinalzone.com> <1187077039.13406.21.camel@pc-notebook> <1187077205.13406.23.camel@pc-notebook> <46C16384.9030803@thefinalzone.com> <1187079872.13406.30.camel@pc-notebook> Message-ID: <46C171B6.2040300@thefinalzone.com> To answer the question, Martin Sourada a ?crit : >> And so, because it's in a directory with version >> number included (echo-icon-theme-0.2-20070427wiki), where are we >> supposed to upload new icons? Are you going to create the final layout >> yet, or is the current layout final? >> Directly inside the directory following the layout as organized from EchoDevelopment wiki page. Reading about icon theme setting[1], it looks like 16x16 svg version won't be necessary after all. I am creating a directory called echo-icon-sources to host gtk-icon-coverage and the original svg sources. [1]http://standards.freedesktop.org/icon-theme-spec/icon-theme-spec-latest.html Luya keeps learning more about creating a set of icon package. From martin.sourada at seznam.cz Tue Aug 14 09:25:35 2007 From: martin.sourada at seznam.cz (Martin Sourada) Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2007 11:25:35 +0200 Subject: Using git command and trac In-Reply-To: <46C16736.6030307@thefinalzone.com> References: <46C15214.6010802@thefinalzone.com> <1187077039.13406.21.camel@pc-notebook> <46C16736.6030307@thefinalzone.com> Message-ID: <1187083535.13406.35.camel@pc-notebook> I looked a little through the echo git and discovered, that some of the icons from luya.fedorapeople.org are still missing. E.g. internet-mail and preferences-desktop-pda. Also, I played a little with the source browser and wiki and it seems the browser isn't working quite I would expect it too... but, if you'd like to display an image from the git repo on the nodoka wiki, following this example seems to work: [[Image(http://git.fedoraproject.org/?p=hosted/echo-icon-theme;a=blob_plain;f=echo-icon-theme-0.3-1/Echo/48x48/applications/preferences-desktop-keyboard.png;hb=HEAD)]] Martin -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From tatadbb at gmail.com Tue Aug 14 09:36:05 2007 From: tatadbb at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Mar=EDa_Leandro?=) Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2007 05:36:05 -0400 Subject: Wallpaper Message-ID: <27a6293b0708140236h5767ddd0j5ffd0e52497c78e5@mail.gmail.com> Hi all. Yesterday I was talking with M?ir?n, and I told her I was gonna make some tries on fedora wallpaper... this are the first two draft, hope it works. Draw 1: * http://tatica.org/tux/fedora/wp_f8_test_2.png * http://tatica.org/tux/fedora/wp_f8_test_3.png Draw 2: * http://tatica.org/tux/fedora/wp_f8_test_12.png (this has the 4(not-five) to 11 Screenshots... but I think this are most importants... If someome wants to see the "making of" have the other SS) I'm still working.. I want to use a little more of yellow with the purple, and try to make a futuristic world but maintaining some "old stuff" (like gondola). I'll try to show you tonight another wp on a little futuristic way but in the same way I hope so. Kiss kiss, and I hope it works :S -- tatica Maria Gracia Leandro http://www.tatica.org http://www.fedora-ve.org http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/MariaLeandro LinuxUser= 440285 GPG Public Key: E1CDCC56 "Be yourself... 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Luya From martin.sourada at seznam.cz Tue Aug 14 14:24:16 2007 From: martin.sourada at seznam.cz (Martin Sourada) Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2007 16:24:16 +0200 Subject: Echo icons reworked guidelines draft Message-ID: <1187101456.13406.45.camel@pc-notebook> Hi, We talked about the Echo icons yesterday with M?ir?n at the IRC and we thought that the Echo icons are not ready for the inclusion in the Fedora as default icon set not only because missing icons, but also because there seems to be multiple styles used, which is not good. So I though we should tighten a little the guidelines and make them as complete as possible. Because I didn't want to break the old guidelines page [1] I made a new one [2]. I mostly followed the example on Tango Icons guidelines and I hope I didn't miss anything. It's a draft and I am asking you for a verification/clarification of the guidelines. If you feel that something is missing or is wrong, feel free to add/fix it on the wiki. 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I mostly followed the example on Tango > Icons guidelines and I hope I didn't miss anything. It's a draft and I > am asking you for a verification/clarification of the guidelines. If you > feel that something is missing or is wrong, feel free to add/fix it on > the wiki. > > I hope we can finally make a complete and final guidelines and review > all the icons to check whether they follow them or not and if not then > fix them. I think that this step is necessary and that in the feature > we'll need to be more strict with following the guidelines. > > Thanks, > Martin > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list Uhm... sorry... missing references: [1] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/EchoIconGuidelines [2] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/MartinSourada/EchoIconThemeGuidelinesDRAFT -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Honestly, I *really* like the fourth image on that page. So much so that I'm using it for my current background. Change the purple to dark blue and fix the issue with the curve and IMO it would be perfect. -- Ignacio Vazquez-Abrams -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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In my tiny mind I would find insanely cool *if* the release name is Absinthe to have the graphics like your latest works but using an Absinthe-like green instead of purple. -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From tw2113 at gmail.com Wed Aug 15 04:31:20 2007 From: tw2113 at gmail.com (Michael Beckwith) Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2007 23:31:20 -0500 Subject: Art Team Hacking Message-ID: <9b437e950708142131i688f8b99i92a4e718ec9333fc@mail.gmail.com> What is this exactly? Just everyone getting together the best they can to get a bunch done? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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And last, it may work as an incentive to get online to talk more for people like me who use the irc channel only on very rare occasions. -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From duffy at redhat.com Wed Aug 15 08:03:32 2007 From: duffy at redhat.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?M=E1ir=ED=ADn_Duffy?=) Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 04:03:32 -0400 Subject: Fedora Infinity Lighter Touch(was Re: Fedora Infinity Update) In-Reply-To: <46BFFB1F.1060300@redhat.com> References: <46BFFB1F.1060300@redhat.com> Message-ID: <46C2B354.7030108@redhat.com> M?ir??n Duffy wrote: > Hey folks, > > I've been playing around with the Fedora Infinity wallpaper this weekend > trying to get something I felt really comfortable with because I felt > that what we had at the end of round 2 just didn't have the level of > polish and 'bling' I think we were hoping for. Think less bling and even more minimalistic with more muted coloring: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/F8Themes/Infinity/Round3Scratch#head-0a9599c1325bcd011a560deee06efb1f6e5314a1 Is this too corporate-looking? ~m From tw2113 at gmail.com Tue Aug 14 15:09:59 2007 From: tw2113 at gmail.com (Michael Beckwith) Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2007 10:09:59 -0500 Subject: Wallpaper In-Reply-To: <27a6293b0708140236h5767ddd0j5ffd0e52497c78e5@mail.gmail.com> References: <27a6293b0708140236h5767ddd0j5ffd0e52497c78e5@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <9b437e950708140809q722f2ed4ieee069eb7d093f0c@mail.gmail.com> As nice as these are, I think they stand out a little bit too much. From what I understand, we're going for a more abstract feel and these feel rather detailed and well contrasted with the environment. Hopefully I make sense On 8/14/07, Mar?a Leandro wrote: > > Hi all. > > Yesterday I was talking with M?ir?n, and I told her I was gonna make some > tries on fedora wallpaper... this are the first two draft, hope it works. > > Draw 1: > > * http://tatica.org/tux/fedora/wp_f8_test_2.png > > * http://tatica.org/tux/fedora/wp_f8_test_3.png > > > Draw 2: > > * http://tatica.org/tux/fedora/wp_f8_test_12.png > > (this has the 4(not-five) to 11 Screenshots... but I think this are most > importants... If someome wants to see the "making of" have the other SS) > > > > > I'm still working.. I want to use a little more of yellow with the purple, > and try to make a futuristic world but maintaining some "old stuff" (like > gondola). I'll try to show you tonight another wp on a little futuristic way > but in the same way I hope so. > > > > > Kiss kiss, and I hope it works :S > > > > > -- > tatica > Maria Gracia Leandro > http://www.tatica.org > http://www.fedora-ve.org > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/MariaLeandro > LinuxUser= 440285 > GPG Public Key: E1CDCC56 > "Be yourself... Don't be anyone else" > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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The image I like the most is the Anaconda screen, I would add to it just maybe a slight drop shadow for the logo and the "panel" (but it work well even without that). -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From martin.sourada at seznam.cz Wed Aug 15 09:50:51 2007 From: martin.sourada at seznam.cz (Martin Sourada) Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 11:50:51 +0200 Subject: Sorting echo icons following Naming Specs Message-ID: <1187171451.13406.54.camel@pc-notebook> Hi, I am sorting the Echo icons following the naming specs. That means that I created 16x16, 22x22, 24x24, 48x48 and scalable folders and inside them actions, animations, apps, categories, devices, emblems, emotes, intl, mimetypes, places and status folders. I already resorted all the pngs, and now I am sorting the svgs. I noticed that many svgs are not included, so I am adding the as well. I also changed the index.theme to reflect the new folder layout. I propose to add a trunk folder into the git repo with Echo subfolder (which contains the above listed folders and index.theme). If you are OK with it, I will push the changes to the git repo once I am finished. Note, that some of the folders are empty - 22x22 all, because we don't have any 22x22 icons yet and intl and animations, because we don't have the animated icon and country flags yet. I included these folders both in the layout and in the index.theme mostly for future purposes. Martin -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From martin.sourada at seznam.cz Wed Aug 15 12:18:58 2007 From: martin.sourada at seznam.cz (Martin Sourada) Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 14:18:58 +0200 Subject: Sorting echo icons following Naming Specs In-Reply-To: <1187171451.13406.54.camel@pc-notebook> References: <1187171451.13406.54.camel@pc-notebook> Message-ID: <1187180338.11724.4.camel@pc-notebook> On Wed, 2007-08-15 at 11:50 +0200, Martin Sourada wrote: > Hi, > > I am sorting the Echo icons following the naming specs. That means that > I created 16x16, 22x22, 24x24, 48x48 and scalable folders and inside > them actions, animations, apps, categories, devices, emblems, emotes, > intl, mimetypes, places and status folders. I already resorted all the > pngs, and now I am sorting the svgs. I noticed that many svgs are not > included, so I am adding the as well. I also changed the index.theme to > reflect the new folder layout. I propose to add a trunk folder into the > git repo with Echo subfolder (which contains the above listed folders > and index.theme). If you are OK with it, I will push the changes to the > git repo once I am finished. > > Note, that some of the folders are empty - 22x22 all, because we don't > have any 22x22 icons yet and intl and animations, because we don't have > the animated icon and country flags yet. I included these folders both > in the layout and in the index.theme mostly for future purposes. > > Martin I just finished the sorting and pushed the changes to the git repo. If you'd like to try it do git clone git://git.fedoraproject.org/git/hosted/echo-icon-theme and copy the Echo folder from trunk to your icon themes folder (don't forget to uninstall the echo-icon-theme rpm first). I noticed most of the svg icons however still have various issues and some of theme still aren't stripped from the illustrator garbage. I'll try to fix the illustrator garbage and as next stage I am playing with an idea of creating an wiki page which would track the svg icons issues. Martin -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From martin.sourada at seznam.cz Wed Aug 15 17:42:03 2007 From: martin.sourada at seznam.cz (Martin Sourada) Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 19:42:03 +0200 Subject: [Echo Icons] help needed in cleaning SVG icons. Message-ID: <1187199723.11724.14.camel@pc-notebook> Hi, the SVG icons have several more or less serious issues. I've already fixed those most bad ones (non-square icon sizes and some of the worst garbage removal from inkscape). We need more, however. Here is the list of what is needed to do with the SVG icons currently. a) make them smaller in means of space on disk - vacuum defs in inkscape does very good job at this (I already run it on some icons), it would be great if we could do more automatically, opening each icon in inkscape is just slow... b) fix the positioning. The positioning must the same as in 48x48 png counterparts. Currently the SVG usually are slightly bigger c) add shadows. The shadows must be same like in their 48x48 png counterparts. It's possible to make a shadow in and then export png, in order to be same. d) fix various rendering issues. Many icons made in Adobe Illustrator just don't display as they should. All SVG icons MUST look like their 48x48 png counterparts. Maybe I forgot something but this is already a lot of work to do. Hope you will help to fix the issues so we can eventually the echo icons default in Fedora 9. 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This could probably be done in XSLT (or a more capable scripting language if needed). -- Ignacio Vazquez-Abrams -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From martin.sourada at seznam.cz Wed Aug 15 23:25:22 2007 From: martin.sourada at seznam.cz (Martin Sourada) Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2007 01:25:22 +0200 Subject: Echo Icons Guidelines Discussion: Using perspectives Message-ID: <1187220322.19350.26.camel@pc-notebook> Hi, you've probably noticed that I started rewriting of the Echo Icon Theme Guidelines [1]. I?d like the community to be involved in the guidelines creation as much as possible, so I'll start discussions here on the art list and possibly on the irc on #fedora-art channel (at irc.freenode.net) on each guidelines part separately. This is the first one. I am hoping that this approach will prove useful and will lead to a creation of a high quality guidelines which would help us in the creation of the Echo icon set. So, each icon set needs at least these four icon sizes: 16x16, 22x22, 24x24 and 48x48 because these are widely used in linux. In echo icons we have so far used three different types of perspectives: straight, slightly tilted table and isometric [2]. Not all perspectives are however useful for all sizes. I therefore propose, with respect to the current usage of perspectives, this guideline. 1. straight perspective would be used for all icons in 16x16 sizes and for action icons in 22x22 and 24x24 sizes. 2. slightly tilted table perspective would be used for bigger action icons (32x32, 48x48 and scalable) 3. isometric perspective would be used for the rest My purposes for this division are these: a) slightly tilted table is not very useful at small sizes, but look good at bigger sizes (32x32 and more) b) straight perspective is very useful for very small sizes but looks flat in bigger sizes, while we'd like the icons to look 3D c) isometric perspective works great for most of the sizes and IMHO allows good detail even in as small sizes as 22x22. 16x16 is however too small even for this. d) we started using slightly tilted perspective for the action icons and isometric for the rest, I think this imaginary division of the icons to two groups is a very good idea e) too many different styles confuse user and if we use more types of perspectives in one icon group in one size variant it both looks not very good and generates such different styles. I hope to hear comments on these from you. I am available on the irc usually between 0900UTC and 2300UTC most days, my nick is msourada. Thanks, Martin References: [1] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/MartinSourada/EchoIconThemeGuidelinesDRAFT [2] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/MartinSourada/EchoIconThemeGuidelinesDRAFT#head-a741b30f621a8a189aef5bc2a4b3eb80e184402a -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From martin.sourada at seznam.cz Wed Aug 15 23:36:47 2007 From: martin.sourada at seznam.cz (Martin Sourada) Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2007 01:36:47 +0200 Subject: [Echo Icons] help needed in cleaning SVG icons. In-Reply-To: <1187200549.11280.6.camel@ignacio.lan> References: <1187199723.11724.14.camel@pc-notebook> <1187200549.11280.6.camel@ignacio.lan> Message-ID: <1187221007.19350.36.camel@pc-notebook> On Wed, 2007-08-15 at 19:55 +0200, Ignacio Vazquez-Abrams wrote: > On Wed, 2007-08-15 at 19:42 +0200, Martin Sourada wrote: > > a) make them smaller in means of space on disk - vacuum defs in inkscape > > does very good job at this (I already run it on some icons), it would be > > great if we could do more automatically, opening each icon in inkscape > > is just slow... > > This could probably be done in XSLT (or a more capable scripting > language if needed). > This is indeed a good idea. Maybe some change to the svg-cleanup.xsl script [1] would do the job, alas I am not experienced in XSLT programming so if there is anyone who can do it, it would be greatly appreciated. I've run inkscape's vacuum-defs on all icons and noticed two things 1. inkscape adds its own garbage to the icons, so the result might be slightly bigger than the original if no unused definitions were present 2. for some icons it can trim a lot of code, as sometimes there are as much as 300 unused definitions. So I think that some combination of svg-cleanup script and vacuum-defs could generate quite good result, if the vacuum-defs is run first. The vacuum-defs can be run even without opening inkscape: inkscape --vacuum-defs */*.svg (to go through all subfolders). Martin References: [1] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-art-list/2007-April/msg00105.html -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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[1]http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/LuyaTshimbalanga/Sandbox?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=echo-fixed-svg.tar.gz Be mind rendering them in Nautilus might be a problem. -- Luya Tshimbalanga Fedora Project contributor http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/LuyaTshimbalanga From martin.sourada at seznam.cz Thu Aug 16 03:26:03 2007 From: martin.sourada at seznam.cz (Martin Sourada) Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2007 05:26:03 +0200 Subject: [Echo Icons] help needed in cleaning SVG icons. In-Reply-To: <1187231672.46c3b7b850b89@ssl.mecca.ca> References: <1187199723.11724.14.camel@pc-notebook> <1187231672.46c3b7b850b89@ssl.mecca.ca> Message-ID: <1187234763.19350.47.camel@pc-notebook> On Thu, 2007-08-16 at 04:34 +0200, Luya Tshimbalanga wrote: > Can you compare with this tarball[1]? I have set up a while ago. > [1]http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/LuyaTshimbalanga/Sandbox?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=echo-fixed-svg.tar.gz > > Be mind rendering them in Nautilus might be a problem. > I have focused only at the icons which will be used in the theme itself - i.e. the large versions of them - so I can only compare those. So from these I can compare, some of the icons in your tarball are not 48x48 and size is usually around the size in the icons which I pushed yesterday to the git repo. I however noticed two icons, that are not in git yet: software-update-download and system-software-update. I'll add them to the trunk. Rendering in nautilus seems to be fine in the meaning that they are displayed and mostly look same or at least very similar to their png counterparts. Just an idea about the system-software-update. Did you tried using the refresh arrows there? It might be clearer then that it's updates. Martin -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From martin.sourada at seznam.cz Thu Aug 16 10:28:24 2007 From: martin.sourada at seznam.cz (Martin Sourada) Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2007 12:28:24 +0200 Subject: [Echo Icons] help needed in cleaning SVG icons. In-Reply-To: <1187234763.19350.47.camel@pc-notebook> References: <1187199723.11724.14.camel@pc-notebook> <1187231672.46c3b7b850b89@ssl.mecca.ca> <1187234763.19350.47.camel@pc-notebook> Message-ID: <1187260104.19350.50.camel@pc-notebook> On Thu, 2007-08-16 at 05:26 +0200, Martin Sourada wrote: > On Thu, 2007-08-16 at 04:34 +0200, Luya Tshimbalanga wrote: > > Can you compare with this tarball[1]? I have set up a while ago. > > [1]http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/LuyaTshimbalanga/Sandbox?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=echo-fixed-svg.tar.gz > > > > Be mind rendering them in Nautilus might be a problem. > > > > I have focused only at the icons which will be used in the theme itself > - i.e. the large versions of them - so I can only compare those. So from > these I can compare, some of the icons in your tarball are not 48x48 and > size is usually around the size in the icons which I pushed yesterday to > the git repo. I however noticed two icons, that are not in git yet: > software-update-download and system-software-update. I'll add them to > the trunk. > > Rendering in nautilus seems to be fine in the meaning that they are > displayed and mostly look same or at least very similar to their png > counterparts. > > Just an idea about the system-software-update. Did you tried using the > refresh arrows there? It might be clearer then that it's updates. > > Martin > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list I added those two icons to the trunk [1] and created needed symlinks to the system-software-update. Martin [1] http://git.fedoraproject.org/?p=hosted/echo-icon-theme;a=tree;f=trunk;h=84dc0969fc9d8065ae2a086d9781269d13520f09;hb=HEAD -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From martin.sourada at seznam.cz Thu Aug 16 11:59:19 2007 From: martin.sourada at seznam.cz (Martin Sourada) Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2007 13:59:19 +0200 Subject: Echo Icons Guidelines Discussion: Colour Palette Message-ID: <1187265559.19350.60.camel@pc-notebook> Hi, another section to discuss in the Echo icon Guidelines [1] is a Colour Palette. I've prepared a new palette [2] based on the colours used in various already created icons and the original Ben Arnold's palette [3]. It contains 27 colours. For blue, red, orange, brown, green and purple there are three variants for each, there are four variants for metallic colours and 5 variants for grey. The darkest grey is to be used as base colour for shadows. What do you think of the new palette? Martin References: [1] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/MartinSourada/EchoIconThemeGuidelinesDRAFT [2] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/MartinSourada/EchoIconThemeGuidelinesDRAFT#head-d2279f41599c73d977525d38a040b76203d0587c [3] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/EchoIconGuidelines#head-92bac070218d68b55549cfdb50eede11583b8021 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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In-Reply-To: <46C4518A.5090609@silverorange.com> References: <1187265559.19350.60.camel@pc-notebook> <46C4518A.5090609@silverorange.com> Message-ID: <1187271934.19350.70.camel@pc-notebook> On Thu, 2007-08-16 at 15:30 +0200, Steven Garrity wrote: > With Diana gone from the project, perhaps it is worth reconsidering the > original goals of Echo. > Diana started it, but the Echo icons are now a community effort. > With both Tango and Oxygen going, I see two strong projects with > attractive and modern icon styles. I'd rather see Fedora team up with > one of these projects than start anew (with isometric icons at that). > > Thoughts? > > Thanks, > Steven Garrity > What's wrong with isometric icons? That's one of the things I really miss in tango. I think we should continue with the Echo effort, but it would be perhaps good to base them more on tango - i.e. use our styling and perspective, but mostly tango or gnome shapes. The echo icons are great so far, I even heard an opinion that they are better then oxygen icons, they have touch of Fedora and there would me many people disappointed if we stopped the effort. I think there is nothing wrong about working on our own project, but we could help with tango efforts as well, e.g. by actively participating in the Icon Naming Specifications, with creating similar icons in tango style for those, that are not in tango yet, etc. I am not sure however about the Oxygen icons. How do they look in small sizes, how open the development is, etc.? Martin -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Thu Aug 16 13:48:35 2007 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2007 16:48:35 +0300 Subject: Do we need another Echo? In-Reply-To: <46C4518A.5090609@silverorange.com> References: <1187265559.19350.60.camel@pc-notebook> <46C4518A.5090609@silverorange.com> Message-ID: <46C455B3.3020509@nicubunu.ro> Steven Garrity wrote: > With Diana gone from the project, perhaps it is worth reconsidering the > original goals of Echo. > > With both Tango and Oxygen going, I see two strong projects with > attractive and modern icon styles. I'd rather see Fedora team up with > one of these projects than start anew (with isometric icons at that). > > Thoughts? Luya and Martin took over Echo, so is up to them to define their current set of goals. Echo development is not a blocker for Fedora, it goes in parallel and if/when the set become good enough we can evaluate it use as a default. Echo was indeed started by Diana as a personal project, but at the time a lot more people were against using Tango as a default. And Oxygen is not for KDE? -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From duffy at redhat.com Thu Aug 16 13:55:04 2007 From: duffy at redhat.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?M=E1ir=EDn_Duffy?=) Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2007 09:55:04 -0400 Subject: Do we need another Echo? In-Reply-To: <1187271934.19350.70.camel@pc-notebook> References: <1187265559.19350.60.camel@pc-notebook> <46C4518A.5090609@silverorange.com> <1187271934.19350.70.camel@pc-notebook> Message-ID: <46C45738.3050305@redhat.com> Martin Sourada wrote: > What's wrong with isometric icons? That's one of the things I really > miss in tango. I think we should continue with the Echo effort, but it > would be perhaps good to base them more on tango - i.e. use our styling > and perspective, but mostly tango or gnome shapes. The echo icons are > great so far, I even heard an opinion that they are better then oxygen > icons, they have touch of Fedora and there would me many people > disappointed if we stopped the effort. +1!!! I believe we should, moving forward, use the Tango artwork as a base, but work on some of AndyFitz's 'SVG Crack' [1] to make it possible to have Echo stylesheets. Sort of the way Ubuntu has orangized some of the key Tango icons, but instead applying our palette and our styles to Tango. Does that make sense? We could still work upstream with Tango this way, as if we needed a new icon not in the Tango set we could create the artwork to match ourselves and submit it upstream as well. We have already somewhat agreed to taking the 16x16 => 24x24 icons from Tango and restyling them as a bit of a pilot for this project. Does that seem reasonable? ~m [1] http://live.gnome.org/AwesomeArtShit <= see the bottom with the ducks and monitors From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Thu Aug 16 13:58:08 2007 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2007 16:58:08 +0300 Subject: Do we need another Echo? In-Reply-To: <1187271934.19350.70.camel@pc-notebook> References: <1187265559.19350.60.camel@pc-notebook> <46C4518A.5090609@silverorange.com> <1187271934.19350.70.camel@pc-notebook> Message-ID: <46C457F0.6080702@nicubunu.ro> Martin Sourada wrote: > > What's wrong with isometric icons? That's one of the things I really > miss in tango. I think we should continue with the Echo effort, but it One problem with isometric icons is that they are harder to create and as a consequence not so many people will contribute to the development. But it you are one of the main icon designers and you like drawing in this perspective, I say "more power to you!" Another problem with isometric icons is they don't work well at smaller size. So you will need two versions: isometric for large icons and top-down for small icons and will wave to work a lot more. (Of course, Tangoicons have also different icons for small and large size, but they use similar perspective, so it a bit easier). > would be perhaps good to base them more on tango - i.e. use our styling > and perspective, but mostly tango or gnome shapes. The echo icons are > great so far, I even heard an opinion that they are better then oxygen > icons, they have touch of Fedora and there would me many people > disappointed if we stopped the effort. > > I think there is nothing wrong about working on our own project +1 Even if I am not a fan of Echo and contributed only very few icons to the collection, my opinion is: if you have fun working on Echo, then work on it, you have my support. -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From stevelist at silverorange.com Thu Aug 16 14:15:57 2007 From: stevelist at silverorange.com (Steven Garrity) Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2007 11:15:57 -0300 Subject: Do we need another Echo? In-Reply-To: <46C455B3.3020509@nicubunu.ro> References: <1187265559.19350.60.camel@pc-notebook> <46C4518A.5090609@silverorange.com> <46C455B3.3020509@nicubunu.ro> Message-ID: <46C45C1D.5020200@silverorange.com> Thanks for the thoughtful responses. I thought it might be worth re-evaluating the original purposes for Echo now that Diana is gone, and Tango is a bit more mature. Of course, if people want to dedicate their time to the project, that is their prerogative and I don't want to be too negative about that. Oh, and yet, Oxygen is a KDE project, but a nice icon style is a nice icon style :-) Cheers, Steven Garrity Nicu Buculei wrote: > Steven Garrity wrote: >> With Diana gone from the project, perhaps it is worth reconsidering >> the original goals of Echo. >> >> With both Tango and Oxygen going, I see two strong projects with >> attractive and modern icon styles. I'd rather see Fedora team up with >> one of these projects than start anew (with isometric icons at that). >> >> Thoughts? > > Luya and Martin took over Echo, so is up to them to define their current > set of goals. > Echo development is not a blocker for Fedora, it goes in parallel and > if/when the set become good enough we can evaluate it use as a default. > > Echo was indeed started by Diana as a personal project, but at the time > a lot more people were against using Tango as a default. > And Oxygen is not for KDE? > From martin.sourada at seznam.cz Thu Aug 16 14:16:01 2007 From: martin.sourada at seznam.cz (Martin Sourada) Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2007 16:16:01 +0200 Subject: Do we need another Echo? In-Reply-To: <46C457F0.6080702@nicubunu.ro> References: <1187265559.19350.60.camel@pc-notebook> <46C4518A.5090609@silverorange.com> <1187271934.19350.70.camel@pc-notebook> <46C457F0.6080702@nicubunu.ro> Message-ID: <1187273761.19350.76.camel@pc-notebook> On Thu, 2007-08-16 at 15:58 +0200, Nicu Buculei wrote: > One problem with isometric icons is that they are harder to create and > as a consequence not so many people will contribute to the development. > But it you are one of the main icon designers and you like drawing in > this perspective, I say "more power to you!" Yes, they are harder to create.But I think it's better to do it how we like it, even if it's harder. Easy way is not always the best. But I agree, that it could stop some people from contributing, who otherwise would. > Another problem with isometric icons is they don't work well at smaller > size. So you will need two versions: isometric for large icons and > top-down for small icons and will wave to work a lot more. (Of course, > Tangoicons have also different icons for small and large size, but they > use similar perspective, so it a bit easier). > Actually, I think that isometric icons works best of the various 3D looking perspectives in small sizes - much better than the slightly tilted table perspective we use for action icons. 16x16 is however too small for all 3D perspectives... Martin -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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The darkest grey is to be used as base > colour for shadows. > > What do you think of the new palette? #9AED00 - the central lime-ish green - is the only one that really stands out to me. How about #9ADE00 ? The rest all seem to have the same tone; the lightest brown. #E3A200, could be a little lighter to fit the others. Somewhere between that and #FFCB49 ? ./b -- | ..// seawolf //.. | | Ben Arnold | | e-mail / msn / icq / web | | http://clik.to/seawolfsanctuary | | ben.arnold.inbox (at) gmail.com | | iamseawolf (at) gmail (dot) com | | GnuPG Available - ask me! | From martin.sourada at seznam.cz Thu Aug 16 14:37:44 2007 From: martin.sourada at seznam.cz (Martin Sourada) Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2007 16:37:44 +0200 Subject: Echo Icons Guidelines Discussion: Colour Palette In-Reply-To: <9c3bfa1d0708160657s1135519ha1ad543d953d7ce6@mail.gmail.com> References: <1187265559.19350.60.camel@pc-notebook> <9c3bfa1d0708160657s1135519ha1ad543d953d7ce6@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1187275064.19350.81.camel@pc-notebook> On Thu, 2007-08-16 at 15:57 +0200, Ben Arnold wrote: > #9AED00 - the central lime-ish green - is the only one that really > stands out to me. How about #9ADE00 ? Good point, the new green is much better. > > The rest all seem to have the same tone; the lightest brown. #E3A200, > could be a little lighter to fit the others. Somewhere between that > and #FFCB49 ? > I changed it to #FFC022. But it's perhaps too bright, what do you think? > ./b > I uploaded it on wiki, together with SVG and GPL (Gimp Palette) versions. [1] Martin References: [1] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/MartinSourada/EchoIconThemeGuidelinesDRAFT#head-d2279f41599c73d977525d38a040b76203d0587c -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I like it, anyways. -- | ..// seawolf //.. | | Ben Arnold | | e-mail / msn / icq / web | | http://clik.to/seawolfsanctuary | | ben.arnold.inbox (at) gmail.com | | iamseawolf (at) gmail (dot) com | | GnuPG Available - ask me! | From luya_tfz at thefinalzone.com Thu Aug 16 17:20:09 2007 From: luya_tfz at thefinalzone.com (Luya Tshimbalanga) Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2007 10:20:09 -0700 Subject: Echo Icons Guidelines Discussion: Colour Palette In-Reply-To: <1187265559.19350.60.camel@pc-notebook> References: <1187265559.19350.60.camel@pc-notebook> Message-ID: <46C48749.6010104@thefinalzone.com> Martin Sourada a ?crit : > Hi, > > another section to discuss in the Echo icon Guidelines [1] is a Colour > Palette. I've prepared a new palette [2] based on the colours used in > various already created icons and the original Ben Arnold's palette [3]. > It contains 27 colours. For blue, red, orange, brown, green and purple > there are three variants for each, there are four variants for metallic > colours and 5 variants for grey. The darkest grey is to be used as base > colour for shadows. Good job for carrying all colors for previous icons. I just realized some icons like emotes won't have the same impact on tilted based version compared to their isometric views. Luya From luya_tfz at thefinalzone.com Thu Aug 16 17:33:08 2007 From: luya_tfz at thefinalzone.com (Luya Tshimbalanga) Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2007 10:33:08 -0700 Subject: Do we need another Echo? In-Reply-To: <1187273761.19350.76.camel@pc-notebook> References: <1187265559.19350.60.camel@pc-notebook> <46C4518A.5090609@silverorange.com> <1187271934.19350.70.camel@pc-notebook> <46C457F0.6080702@nicubunu.ro> <1187273761.19350.76.camel@pc-notebook> Message-ID: <46C48A54.5030908@thefinalzone.com> Martin Sourada a ?crit : > On Thu, 2007-08-16 at 15:58 +0200, Nicu Buculei wrote: > >> One problem with isometric icons is that they are harder to create and >> as a consequence not so many people will contribute to the development. >> But it you are one of the main icon designers and you like drawing in >> this perspective, I say "more power to you!" >> > Yes, they are harder to create.But I think it's better to do it how we > like it, even if it's harder. Easy way is not always the best. But I > agree, that it could stop some people from contributing, who otherwise > would. > +1. The first impact when I saw Tango icons on their 48x48 version was boring and not challenging enough. Also it is nice for users to have choice instead of having the same 2d perspective all over the place. > Actually, I think that isometric icons works best of the various 3D > looking perspectives in small sizes - much better than the slightly > tilted table perspective we use for action icons. 16x16 is however too > small for all 3D perspectives... > Like I mentionned earlier, some icons like emotes won't have the same feeling with their tilted table perspective. * It feels like fundamental design class took me over * Luya -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From luya_tfz at thefinalzone.com Thu Aug 16 17:54:17 2007 From: luya_tfz at thefinalzone.com (Luya Tshimbalanga) Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2007 10:54:17 -0700 Subject: Integrating Echo cursors on echo-icon-theme host? Message-ID: <46C48F49.4020505@thefinalzone.com> I was wondering if an icon theme also include the cursor. If yes, echo cursors[1] initially started by seawolf should be merged into echo-icon-theme host. Any comment? [1]http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/EchoCursors Luya From luya_tfz at thefinalzone.com Thu Aug 16 18:25:42 2007 From: luya_tfz at thefinalzone.com (Luya Tshimbalanga) Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2007 11:25:42 -0700 Subject: J5 suggestion for Echo icons theme Message-ID: <46C496A6.2060504@thefinalzone.com> John (J5) Palmieri has wrote an excellent suggestion for Echo team: "/I should most likely bring this up on the list but as I have little time these days (total copout :) - Full color icons bellow 32x32 never look good and almost triple the amount of work an artist needs to do instead of creating beautiful icons at higher resolutions. Working with two toned OLPC icons I can say simple icons look great at low resolution and often can mix with any theme as long as the shapes are similar. What I suggest is to explore doing black and white or gray scale for smaller icons and use the full color icons where they would have the most impact. This would of course necessitate coordinating with the desktop team so that larger icons are used more often so that the desktop does not look drab but I think it has a twofold advantage. First correct use of sharp black and white icons make the desktop look cleaner and less cluttered and second, in the long run it makes the work artists have to do much less. In fact if all they had to do was create high quality icons in order to make a nice looking theme there would be many more themes to choose from which looked complete. Just a suggestion. Keep up the good work. (BTW look at MacOS X for good use of B/W icons/" http://thefinalzone.blogspot.com/2007/08/summary-of-echo-icon-theme-report-on.html#comment-9152793671709311277 -- ??D0 From mclasen at redhat.com Thu Aug 16 20:01:22 2007 From: mclasen at redhat.com (Matthias Clasen) Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2007 16:01:22 -0400 Subject: animated backgrounds Message-ID: <1187294482.4992.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> A while ago S?ren Sandmann did some work to support animated backgrounds. The use case this feature was designed for is to show pictures of the same scene (e.g. a city skyline) over the course of the day (say, every 15 minutes), synchronized to the current time. Unfortunately, we didn't ever get around to take such a photo series. But it would be a shame to let this nice feature go unused and eventually bitrot away, so I ported it to the new appearance capplet last night, and I am sending out this email in the hope that maybe some artists will find this interesting enough to come up with some cool animated backgrounds. Here is how it works: Instead of a jpeg or png, you create an xml file like the following: 1184295694 60.0 /path/to/image1 30.0 /path/to/image1 /path/to/image2 60.0 /path/to/image2 starttime is the time in seconds since the unix epoch, duration is in seconds. Matthias From martin.sourada at seznam.cz Thu Aug 16 20:03:10 2007 From: martin.sourada at seznam.cz (Martin Sourada) Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2007 22:03:10 +0200 Subject: Integrating Echo cursors on echo-icon-theme host? In-Reply-To: <46C48F49.4020505@thefinalzone.com> References: <46C48F49.4020505@thefinalzone.com> Message-ID: <1187294590.19350.86.camel@pc-notebook> On Thu, 2007-08-16 at 19:54 +0200, Luya Tshimbalanga wrote: > I was wondering if an icon theme also include the cursor. If yes, echo > cursors[1] > initially started by seawolf should be merged into echo-icon-theme host. > Any comment? > > [1]http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/EchoCursors > > Luya > Yes, it seems like a good idea, the problem is, that there are currently no cursors yet. But we did a good job for the start in finding out which cursors are needed, what are their names, etc. In future I believe that having the cursors included in the icon theme would be perfect. Anyway, I would like to encourage anyone with an idea how the cursors should look (one restraint are echo icon guidelines, though) to fell free to add it in the sketches section on the page mentioned by Luya. They don't need to look perfect - they are only sketches sketches. Martin -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From martin.sourada at seznam.cz Thu Aug 16 20:10:32 2007 From: martin.sourada at seznam.cz (Martin Sourada) Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2007 22:10:32 +0200 Subject: [Echo] Making new gallery page Message-ID: <1187295032.19350.94.camel@pc-notebook> Hi, today I started making a new page for the echo gallery following the example set by gnome icon theme [1]. It's a lot of work to add all those icons and as a result it's slow and I have included only slightly more than half of action icons. I would like to hear your opinion though: 1. is it OK doing it this way? 2. 22x22 icons are more important than 24x24, should I use them there, even though there is none created yet? Or switch to them later? 3. Some of the icons aren't included in the Icon Naming Specifications [2]. Should I include them also (most likely separated from the rest)? Thanks for your opinions, you can look at the draft on hosted wiki [3]. Martin References: [1] http://git.jimmac.net/ [2] http://standards.freedesktop.org/icon-naming-spec/icon-naming-spec-latest.html [3] https://hosted.fedoraproject.org/projects/echo-icon-theme/wiki/IconThemeStatus -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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But it would be a shame to let this nice feature go > unused and eventually bitrot away, so I ported it to the new > appearance capplet last night, and I am sending out this email > in the hope that maybe some artists will find this interesting > enough to come up with some cool animated backgrounds. > > Here is how it works: > > Instead of a jpeg or png, you create an xml file like the > following: > > > 1184295694 > > 60.0 > /path/to/image1 > > > 30.0 > /path/to/image1 > /path/to/image2 > > > 60.0 > /path/to/image2 > > > > starttime is the time in seconds since the unix epoch, > duration is in seconds. > > > Matthias > > Hey, that sounds interesting, we could even make some svg based wallpapers this way, I am however not sure what the starttime means, and how it will work for different time zones? If I understand correctly the starttime is time in seconds since some event in past (unix epoch). But it would then mean, that if I set the start time to be 0 hour of some day in US, it will be 12 hour on the opposite side of the Earth and as a result I will have day at night and night at day in Europe. Martin -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Fri Aug 17 06:01:25 2007 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2007 09:01:25 +0300 Subject: J5 suggestion for Echo icons theme In-Reply-To: <46C496A6.2060504@thefinalzone.com> References: <46C496A6.2060504@thefinalzone.com> Message-ID: <46C539B5.2040208@nicubunu.ro> Luya Tshimbalanga wrote: > John (J5) Palmieri has wrote an excellent suggestion for Echo team: > > Full color icons bellow 32x32 never look good and almost triple the > amount of work an artist needs to do instead of creating beautiful icons > at higher resolutions. Working with two toned OLPC icons I can say > simple icons look great at low resolution and often can mix with any > theme as long as the shapes are similar. What I suggest is to explore > doing black and white or gray scale for smaller icons and use the full > color icons where they would have the most impact. I think for good evaluation the best way is to create a few (4-5) small icons in B/W or grayscale and do a mockup, to see it in action and be able to judge. -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From mclasen at redhat.com Fri Aug 17 19:47:50 2007 From: mclasen at redhat.com (Matthias Clasen) Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2007 15:47:50 -0400 Subject: animated backgrounds In-Reply-To: <1187295357.19350.98.camel@pc-notebook> References: <1187294482.4992.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1187295357.19350.98.camel@pc-notebook> Message-ID: <1187380071.1161.78.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Thu, 2007-08-16 at 22:15 +0200, Martin Sourada wrote: > > Hey, that sounds interesting, we could even make some svg based > wallpapers this way, I am however not sure what the starttime means, and > how it will work for different time zones? If I understand correctly the > starttime is time in seconds since some event in past (unix epoch). But > it would then mean, that if I set the start time to be 0 hour of some > day in US, it will be 12 hour on the opposite side of the Earth and as a > result I will have day at night and night at day in Europe. > Good point. I guess we need to add support for timezone-relative start times. From martin.sourada at seznam.cz Fri Aug 17 20:34:00 2007 From: martin.sourada at seznam.cz (Martin Sourada) Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2007 22:34:00 +0200 Subject: Echo Icon Theme Status final draft Message-ID: <1187382840.9578.8.camel@pc-notebook> Hi, I've just created finished the new gallery for Echo icons [1]. Hopefully there are listed all icons created so far and did my best to also include most of the icons that are to be created. I tried to follow the icon naming guidelines form icon naming specification [2], so I had to rename some of the already created icons - IIRC bluetooth to wireless-bluetooth, and gpm-* stuff. So, is there any icon that is missing on the page (meaning that it is not listed)? Is there any icon name that seems to be wrong? Do you think that there is listed icons that should not be? Is there an error on the page? Let me know. Thanks, Martin References: [1] https://hosted.fedoraproject.org/projects/echo-icon-theme/wiki/IconThemeStatus [2] http://standards.freedesktop.org/icon-naming-spec/icon-naming-spec-latest.html -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From nisses.mail at home.se Fri Aug 17 21:49:46 2007 From: nisses.mail at home.se (Andreas Nilsson) Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2007 23:49:46 +0200 Subject: Do we need another Echo? In-Reply-To: <1187271934.19350.70.camel@pc-notebook> References: <1187265559.19350.60.camel@pc-notebook> <46C4518A.5090609@silverorange.com> <1187271934.19350.70.camel@pc-notebook> Message-ID: <46C617FA.8090701@home.se> Martin Sourada wrote: > What's wrong with isometric icons? That's one of the things I really > miss in tango. I think we should continue with the Echo effort, but it > would be perhaps good to base them more on tango - i.e. use our styling > and perspective, but mostly tango or gnome shapes. The echo icons are > great so far, I even heard an opinion that they are better then oxygen > icons, they have touch of Fedora and there would me many people > disappointed if we stopped the effort. Hi Martin! Another possibility would be to do it the other way around, using Echo shapes (isometric and stuff) and your own metaphors for save-as etc., but use the tango styling. That would give you the benefit of not having to redo everything in every application on the desktop, as it would fit in with what's already there, but still have control over your base set. Just a idea. Keep up the good work! - Andreas From luya_tfz at thefinalzone.com Sat Aug 18 07:57:12 2007 From: luya_tfz at thefinalzone.com (Luya Tshimbalanga) Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2007 00:57:12 -0700 Subject: Echo Icon Theme Status final draft In-Reply-To: <1187382840.9578.8.camel@pc-notebook> References: <1187382840.9578.8.camel@pc-notebook> Message-ID: <46C6A658.9000107@thefinalzone.com> The wiki though it needs some fine touch is functional. I remember Diana used to keep track on the icon name specs but I don't find the actual url. I noticed some 24x24 icons works quite well in isometric view. I suggest to make a tango style vesion for comparison purpose. The drive will be a bit tricker because of the light so maybe laying flat might do the work. I have a heavy schedule this week so I won't have the chance to work on icons as possible. Once all tools are migrated from the wiki, we wil make wiki page from fedoraproject.org much leaner. Luya From martin.sourada at seznam.cz Sat Aug 18 08:31:29 2007 From: martin.sourada at seznam.cz (Martin Sourada) Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2007 10:31:29 +0200 Subject: Echo Icon Theme Status final draft In-Reply-To: <46C6A658.9000107@thefinalzone.com> References: <1187382840.9578.8.camel@pc-notebook> <46C6A658.9000107@thefinalzone.com> Message-ID: <1187425889.9578.12.camel@pc-notebook> On Sat, 2007-08-18 at 09:57 +0200, Luya Tshimbalanga wrote: > The wiki though it needs some fine touch is functional. I remember Diana > used to > keep track on the icon name specs but I don't find the actual url. Yeah, it needs some refinement, but I still don't have much wiki editing skills, so it will take some time :) As for the name specs [1], I mentioned them in my previous mail. Martin References: [1] http://standards.freedesktop.org/icon-naming-spec/icon-naming-spec-latest.html -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From martin.sourada at seznam.cz Sat Aug 18 09:33:00 2007 From: martin.sourada at seznam.cz (Martin Sourada) Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2007 11:33:00 +0200 Subject: Echo Icons Guidelines Discussion: Icon Sizes Message-ID: <1187429580.9578.53.camel@pc-notebook> hi, another thing do discuss in Echo Icons Guidelines [1] are the sizes of icons [2] that will be in the package. So I propose three basic sizes and one optional size, following the tango example [3]: 1. Extra Small (16x16) 2. Small a) 22x22 b) 24x24 3. Medium (32x32, optional) 4. Large (48x48) Because of the usage of these sizes, 22x22 variant is a must for all action icons, all applications icons and all categories action (by default they are in buttons and in gnome menus in this size), 24x24 is a must for all action icons (they are usually in gtk toolbars), 16x16 is a must for places icons, status icons, action icons, devices icons and mimetypes icons (these are usually in nautilus and open/save dialogs). The 48x48 variant is a must for everything that could be displayed in nautilus, because it's default rendering size there, so mimetypes, emblems, places, devices, or applications; also some of the icons from other categories sometimes appear in this size, e.g. the shutdown or suspend (in the shutdown/suspend dialogs). The optional, 32x32, size is used in Windows (which is probably not our target desktop) and sometimes it could appear in notification area (if the panel is big enough). They usually look nice if rendered directly from the scalable variant. The scalable icons, IMHO, need to look at 48x48 precisely the same as 48x48 pngs, should be good looking up to 256x256 and down to 24x24 sizes and their default size must be 48x48. They must be available for all icons that has a png version and must not contain the illustrator garbage (layers with display:none and previews, or what the images inside the svgs are). I hope I didn't missed something, here is the assorted list of the must-haves for each category: Actions - 16x16, 22x22, 24x24, (48x48) Animations - all sizes, smaller (<=24x24) more needed Applications - 22x22, 48x48 Categories - 22x22, 48x48 Devices - 16x16, 48x48 Emblems - 48x48 Emotes - 16x16, 24x24 or 22x22 International - these are country flags, so all Mime Types - 16x16, 48x48 Places - 16x16, 48x48 Status - 16x16, 22x22 or 24x24, 48x48 Note 1: Icons that have 22x22 variant can be easily extended - you can make a 24x24 just by adding one pixel to each side of the icon (can be done in gimp, or maybe even more automatically). This should be preferred to not making 24x24 at all. Also, I would highly encourage to make 22x22 versions instead of 24x24 as the 24x24 variants are present only for compatibility reasons, all desktops are switching to 22x22. Note 2: Emblems, as they are now, seem to be too big. I would therefore suggest to make them smaller. The icon size would be same, only the emblem would be half sized, or a slightly bigger, and centred on the canvas. I noticed this approach in bluecurve icons, though the icon (with the canvas) sizes are 36x36 for 48x48 icons there, but noted as 48x48 in index.theme... Thanks for your comments, Martin References: [1] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/MartinSourada/EchoIconThemeGuidelinesDRAFT [2] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/MartinSourada/EchoIconThemeGuidelinesDRAFT#head-a08e7feda9af6ee810eb1cb61245bc39382f0cc0 [3] http://tango.freedesktop.org/Tango_Icon_Theme_Guidelines#Sizes -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Hi Martin! 32x32 is used in KDE a lot and is also used on the gnome-main-menu (SLAB), as well in the new control-center shell. We put that size in gnome-icon-theme for that reason. - Andreas From martin.sourada at seznam.cz Sat Aug 18 10:49:01 2007 From: martin.sourada at seznam.cz (Martin Sourada) Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2007 12:49:01 +0200 Subject: Echo Icons Guidelines Discussion: Icon Sizes In-Reply-To: <46C6C705.7020407@home.se> References: <1187429580.9578.53.camel@pc-notebook> <46C6C705.7020407@home.se> Message-ID: <1187434141.9578.57.camel@pc-notebook> On Sat, 2007-08-18 at 12:16 +0200, Andreas Nilsson wrote: > Hi Martin! > 32x32 is used in KDE a lot and is also used on the gnome-main-menu > (SLAB), as well in the new control-center shell. > We put that size in gnome-icon-theme for that reason. > - Andreas > Didn't know about that. I'll change the guidelines to reflect that. Thanks, Martin -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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It looks nice, but I still think it's a little different from the other echo icons. Any ideas? Any competing mockups? You can find my globe on my fedorapeople page [1]. Thanks, Martin References: [1] http://mso.fedorapeople.org/echo/echo.xhtml -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From tw2113 at gmail.com Sat Aug 18 15:01:37 2007 From: tw2113 at gmail.com (Michael Beckwith) Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2007 10:01:37 -0500 Subject: Fedora Color Palette Message-ID: <9b437e950708180801q20571322t11482d1392217be7@mail.gmail.com> I just wanted to let everyone know that I created a small color palette for Gimp and Inkscape based on the various colors found on the Fedora artwork wiki. You can find it at the bottom of my profile wiki page at http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/MichaelBeckwith . Feel free to download a copy, add colors as you see fit, etc. If you feel the kindness, send me a copy with the new colors and I'll post it to the page. -- ~Michael http://ridleytx.structed.net (for now) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From martin.sourada at seznam.cz Sun Aug 19 12:33:52 2007 From: martin.sourada at seznam.cz (Martin Sourada) Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2007 14:33:52 +0200 Subject: [Nodoka] New release, 0.6 beta 1 Message-ID: <1187526832.9578.84.camel@pc-notebook> Hi, I've just released first official beta version of Nodoka theme. If there will not be found any rendering issues this is how the final version included in Fedora 8 will look like. Changes in this version are: 1. Added inconsistent state to radio and check buttons 2. Fixed gtk tooltip colour with new gtk 3. Added resize grips other than south-east 4. Fixed all compiler warnings 5. Whole code was run through indent 6. Added make dist, distclean and maintainer-clean rules to Makefiles. Hopefully I didn't missed something. I've built it into rawhide. Sources can be downloaded at Nodoka home page [1]. Note for contributors: current git repo layout is divided into trunk (latest development unstable code) and branches (code to be released and released code). In branches there are directories for each branch where branch is major and minor version (e.g. 0.5). Inside those dirs is further division to gtk-nodoka-theme (latest engine code in the branch/trunk), nodoka-theme-gnome (latest gnome metatheme and metacity theme code in the branch/trunk) and release tarballs. If you wish to contribute you either need to be member of gitnodoka fedora accounts group or you can send me patches by mail. Note for testers: if you find any bugs, please fill a ticket on the nodoka page [1] against gtk-nodoka-engine (for the gtk engine and theme) or against nodoka-theme-gnome (for the gnome meta theme and metacity theme). The same for feature requests and suggestions (only you pick enhancement instead of defect as a bug type). If you cannot log in there, fill a bug in redhat bugzilla [2] against the same components. Thanks, Martin References: [1] https://hosted.fedoraproject.org/projects/nodoka/wiki [2] https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/index.cgi -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I will also consider using same shapes that are in tango or gnome icon themes. I will add all the icons during the process on my fedorapeople echo page [1] and when I am finished I'll let you know here on the art list. Thanks, Martin [1] http://mso.fedorapeople.org/echo/echo.xhtml -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From kranuja at gmail.com Sun Aug 19 16:51:10 2007 From: kranuja at gmail.com (Anuja KR) Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2007 22:21:10 +0530 Subject: my idea for mascot Message-ID: <98b358090708190951r76a75b94y92c50d0b87ee9a02@mail.gmail.com> hi I have a few ideas about fedora mascot. check the link below. http://anujagraphics.googlepages.com/home anuja -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Please submit any proposals to the relevant wiki page - http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/Mascot Back in the initial discuss about a mascot some people supported a dolphin, so a dolphin mascot could have some fans (sure, it will have also opponents claiming MySQL use *another* dolphin) -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From duffy at redhat.com Mon Aug 20 13:25:26 2007 From: duffy at redhat.com (=?UTF-8?B?TcOhaXLDrW4gRHVmZnk=?=) Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2007 09:25:26 -0400 Subject: xdg user dirs icons (was [ubuntu-art] xdg-user-dirts icon set for Ubuntu Human theme]) Message-ID: <46C99646.9000900@redhat.com> Some food for thought from Sankarshan - we should consider have icons for the xdg folders in Fedora as well. ~m -------- Original Message -------- Subject: [Fwd: [ubuntu-art] xdg-user-dirts icon set for Ubuntu Human theme] Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2007 18:20:06 +0530 From: Sankarshan Mukhopadhyay To: M?ir?n Duffy -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 How relevant is this from a Fedora perspective ? :Sankarshan - -------- Original Message -------- Subject: [ubuntu-art] xdg-user-dirts icon set for Ubuntu Human theme Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2007 17:30:01 +0200 From: Valentyn Kukushkin To: ubuntu-art at lists.ubuntu.com Hi everybody! As you all already know the next Ubuntu release Gutsy comes with a new xdg-user-dirs tool which manage ?well known? user directories like the Desktop, Documents, Downloads and the Music folders. I've just created first xdg-user-dirs icon set for Ubuntu Human theme. This is a first experiment, so feel free to comment or contact me. Here's the preview: http://valik.wordpress.com/2007/07/14/01/ - -- You see things; and you say 'Why?'; But I dream things that never were; and I say 'Why not?' - George Bernard Shaw -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFGyY3+XQZpNTcrCzMRAv1lAKCIHeoAUPVtmCw7zRXq4Dh9lQ2I5wCfTr2O 4yNV7dcYiVxF6hKTT6XswoQ= =l+9r -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From ivazqueznet at gmail.com Mon Aug 20 14:47:22 2007 From: ivazqueznet at gmail.com (Ignacio Vazquez-Abrams) Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2007 10:47:22 -0400 Subject: xdg user dirs icons (was [ubuntu-art] xdg-user-dirts icon set for Ubuntu Human theme]) In-Reply-To: <46C99646.9000900@redhat.com> References: <46C99646.9000900@redhat.com> Message-ID: <1187621242.10936.3.camel@ignacio.lan> On Mon, 2007-08-20 at 09:25 -0400, M?ir?n Duffy wrote: > Some food for thought from Sankarshan - we should consider have icons > for the xdg folders in Fedora as well. Hear hear! I was wondering why they didn't have their own special icons. But then I remembered that I'm one of the last few people that actually likes and uses Bluecurve. *shrug* -- Ignacio Vazquez-Abrams PLEASE don't CC me; I'm already subscribed -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From nisses.mail at home.se Mon Aug 20 15:05:47 2007 From: nisses.mail at home.se (Andreas Nilsson) Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2007 17:05:47 +0200 Subject: xdg user dirs icons (was [ubuntu-art] xdg-user-dirts icon set for Ubuntu Human theme]) In-Reply-To: <46C99646.9000900@redhat.com> References: <46C99646.9000900@redhat.com> Message-ID: <46C9ADCB.30309@home.se> Hi M?ir?n! It seems to work well in the Finder [1] sidebar as it gives the different places unique shapes. My initial reaction to the ubuntu-folders-thing are that the shapes are very weak, so it seems to be more decoration than being actually useful. This would probably be worth discussing upstream as well. 1. http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/f/fe/TigerDesk.png - Andreas M?ir?n Duffy wrote: > Some food for thought from Sankarshan - we should consider have icons > for the xdg folders in Fedora as well. > > ~m > > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: [Fwd: [ubuntu-art] xdg-user-dirts icon set for Ubuntu Human > theme] > Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2007 18:20:06 +0530 > From: Sankarshan Mukhopadhyay > To: M?ir?n Duffy > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > How relevant is this from a Fedora perspective ? > > :Sankarshan > > - -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: [ubuntu-art] xdg-user-dirts icon set for Ubuntu Human theme > Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2007 17:30:01 +0200 > From: Valentyn Kukushkin > To: ubuntu-art at lists.ubuntu.com > > Hi everybody! > As you all already know the next Ubuntu release Gutsy comes with a new > xdg-user-dirs tool which manage ?well known? user directories like the > Desktop, Documents, Downloads and the Music folders. > > I've just created first xdg-user-dirs icon set for Ubuntu Human theme. > This is a first experiment, so feel free to comment or contact me. > > Here's the preview: > http://valik.wordpress.com/2007/07/14/01/ > > > > - -- > > You see things; and you say 'Why?'; > But I dream things that never were; > and I say 'Why not?' - George Bernard Shaw > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (GNU/Linux) > Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org > > iD8DBQFGyY3+XQZpNTcrCzMRAv1lAKCIHeoAUPVtmCw7zRXq4Dh9lQ2I5wCfTr2O > 4yNV7dcYiVxF6hKTT6XswoQ= > =l+9r > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list > From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Mon Aug 20 15:03:17 2007 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2007 18:03:17 +0300 Subject: xdg user dirs icons (was [ubuntu-art] xdg-user-dirts icon set for Ubuntu Human theme]) In-Reply-To: <1187621242.10936.3.camel@ignacio.lan> References: <46C99646.9000900@redhat.com> <1187621242.10936.3.camel@ignacio.lan> Message-ID: <46C9AD35.4080100@nicubunu.ro> Ignacio Vazquez-Abrams wrote: > On Mon, 2007-08-20 at 09:25 -0400, M?ir?n Duffy wrote: >> Some food for thought from Sankarshan - we should consider have icons >> for the xdg folders in Fedora as well. > > Hear hear! I was wondering why they didn't have their own special icons. And IMO those icons should look like the folder icon with an emblem over it. I want my folder icons to still look like folders. So for example the Music folder is a folder with an musical note emblem, not only a musical note. > But then I remembered that I'm one of the last few people that actually > likes and uses Bluecurve. *shrug* Bluecurve is dead. The default icon theme in F7 was Mist, F8 will have also Mist and after that, we don't know, maybe Echo, maybe a derovative of Tango, maybe something else. -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From ivazqueznet at gmail.com Mon Aug 20 20:34:16 2007 From: ivazqueznet at gmail.com (Ignacio Vazquez-Abrams) Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2007 16:34:16 -0400 Subject: xdg user dirs icons (was [ubuntu-art] xdg-user-dirts icon set for Ubuntu Human theme]) In-Reply-To: <46C9AD35.4080100@nicubunu.ro> References: <46C99646.9000900@redhat.com> <1187621242.10936.3.camel@ignacio.lan> <46C9AD35.4080100@nicubunu.ro> Message-ID: <1187642056.10936.5.camel@ignacio.lan> On Mon, 2007-08-20 at 18:03 +0300, Nicu Buculei wrote: > The default icon theme in F7 was Mist... A very questionable choice if you ask me. But this thread is wandering a bit too far OT. -- Ignacio Vazquez-Abrams PLEASE don't CC me; I'm already subscribed -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From fedora-art at brej.org Mon Aug 20 21:08:30 2007 From: fedora-art at brej.org (Charlie Brej) Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2007 22:08:30 +0100 Subject: Echo lighting Message-ID: <46CA02CE.1000207@brej.org> What are the rules on the lighting on the blue areas of icons? Does each blue area have its own radial gradient point like in: http://git.fedoraproject.org/?p=hosted/echo-icon-theme;a=blob_plain;f=trunk/Echo/48x48/actions/media-seek-backward.png;hb=HEAD or do all areas have the same point like in: http://git.fedoraproject.org/?p=hosted/echo-icon-theme;a=blob_plain;f=trunk/Echo/48x48/actions/media-seek-forward.png;hb=HEAD Should the lighing be present in the 24x24 versions? like in: http://git.fedoraproject.org/?p=hosted/echo-icon-theme;a=blob_plain;f=trunk/Echo/24x24/actions/media-skip-backward.png;hb=HEAD or not like in: http://git.fedoraproject.org/?p=hosted/echo-icon-theme;a=blob_plain;f=trunk/Echo/24x24/actions/media-seek-backward.png;hb=HEAD Either way, I will have a go at making the media ones all one or the other. From luya_tfz at thefinalzone.com Mon Aug 20 21:41:03 2007 From: luya_tfz at thefinalzone.com (Luya Tshimbalanga) Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2007 14:41:03 -0700 Subject: Echo lighting In-Reply-To: <46CA02CE.1000207@brej.org> References: <46CA02CE.1000207@brej.org> Message-ID: <46CA0A6F.7050905@thefinalzone.com> Charlie Brej a ?crit : > What are the rules on the lighting on the blue areas of icons? > > Does each blue area have its own radial gradient point like in: > http://git.fedoraproject.org/?p=hosted/echo-icon-theme;a=blob_plain;f=trunk/Echo/48x48/actions/media-seek-backward.png;hb=HEAD > > or do all areas have the same point like in: > http://git.fedoraproject.org/?p=hosted/echo-icon-theme;a=blob_plain;f=trunk/Echo/48x48/actions/media-seek-forward.png;hb=HEAD Light point comes from upper left. Blue areas should have the same point . > > > Should the lighing be present in the 24x24 versions? like in: > http://git.fedoraproject.org/?p=hosted/echo-icon-theme;a=blob_plain;f=trunk/Echo/24x24/actions/media-skip-backward.png;hb=HEAD > > or not like in: > http://git.fedoraproject.org/?p=hosted/echo-icon-theme;a=blob_plain;f=trunk/Echo/24x24/actions/media-seek-backward.png;hb=HEAD Work with both method then submit on the mail list. > > > Either way, I will have a go at making the media ones all one or the > other. > Feel free to enhance them as well. Luya -- ??D0 References: <46CA02CE.1000207@brej.org> Message-ID: <1187646130.9578.107.camel@pc-notebook> On Mon, 2007-08-20 at 23:08 +0200, Charlie Brej wrote: > What are the rules on the lighting on the blue areas of icons? > > Does each blue area have its own radial gradient point like in: > http://git.fedoraproject.org/?p=hosted/echo-icon-theme;a=blob_plain;f=trunk/Echo/48x48/actions/media-seek-backward.png;hb=HEAD > or do all areas have the same point like in: > http://git.fedoraproject.org/?p=hosted/echo-icon-theme;a=blob_plain;f=trunk/Echo/48x48/actions/media-seek-forward.png;hb=HEAD > In this case I'd use a gradient for each area by its own. Guidelines are not definite in this case however. Perhaps the lightning section will need further clarification. > Should the lighing be present in the 24x24 versions? like in: > http://git.fedoraproject.org/?p=hosted/echo-icon-theme;a=blob_plain;f=trunk/Echo/24x24/actions/media-skip-backward.png;hb=HEAD > or not like in: > http://git.fedoraproject.org/?p=hosted/echo-icon-theme;a=blob_plain;f=trunk/Echo/24x24/actions/media-seek-backward.png;hb=HEAD > Gradients and shadows should be used for all icons bigger or equal to 22x22 size. > Either way, I will have a go at making the media ones all one or the other. > It would be great. Especially the media group needs rework. Please note two things, 32x32 and 48x48 should use slightly tilted table perspective, 24x24, 22x22 and 16x16 should use flat perspective, but only 16x16 should be without gradients and shadows. Also take a look at the guidelines draft [2] and if there is something that is unclear or seem to be wrong, feel free to either edit them or ask here for clarification. 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Blue areas should have the same point . >> > > Actually, considering the shape of the icons, I would treat them as if > they were two objects, so for each area it's own gradient. > > Let's work that way then. Luya From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Tue Aug 21 08:33:43 2007 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2007 14:03:43 +0530 Subject: xdg user dirs icons (was [ubuntu-art] xdg-user-dirts icon set for Ubuntu Human theme]) In-Reply-To: <1187642056.10936.5.camel@ignacio.lan> References: <46C99646.9000900@redhat.com> <1187621242.10936.3.camel@ignacio.lan> <46C9AD35.4080100@nicubunu.ro> <1187642056.10936.5.camel@ignacio.lan> Message-ID: <46CAA367.2090006@fedoraproject.org> Ignacio Vazquez-Abrams wrote: > On Mon, 2007-08-20 at 18:03 +0300, Nicu Buculei wrote: >> The default icon theme in F7 was Mist... > > A very questionable choice if you ask me. But this thread is wandering a > bit too far OT. If you have a better suggestion or list out reasons why you find it questionable, you can do that in a different thread. Rahul From karel.boissinot at gmail.com Tue Aug 21 19:37:10 2007 From: karel.boissinot at gmail.com (Karel Boissinot) Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2007 15:37:10 -0400 Subject: About the mascot Message-ID: <2e9d146c0708211237l6721173ci991c0f45470c6817@mail.gmail.com> Anybody thought of using a butterfly for the mascott? I really suck at drawing things so I can't say I have made a sketch, but I got inspired looking at this picture: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/images/3d_bubble_07.svg The reflected logo kinda makes it look like the bottom wings of a butterfly. Anyway, just food for thought Karel -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I really suck at > drawing things so I can't say I have made a sketch, but I got inspired > looking at this picture: > > http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/images/3d_bubble_07.svg > > The reflected logo kinda makes it look like the bottom wings of a > butterfly. > > Anyway, just food for thought > > Karel > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list > > -- ~Michael http://ridleytx.structed.net (for now) http://www.michaelbox.net (eventually) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From cddesjardins at gmail.com Tue Aug 21 20:28:45 2007 From: cddesjardins at gmail.com (Christopher David Desjardins) Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2007 15:28:45 -0500 Subject: About the mascot In-Reply-To: <9b437e950708211312t347bf75dx1ed6f7c928df0f2e@mail.gmail.com> References: <2e9d146c0708211237l6721173ci991c0f45470c6817@mail.gmail.com> <9b437e950708211312t347bf75dx1ed6f7c928df0f2e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1187728126.3168.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> I think the human mascots are too anime looking. I think a goat (perhaps a mountain goat standing on the top of a mountain of free/open software? but please nothing resembling the GNU logo) or the platypus sound like great ideas to me. The platypus is an extremely fascinating animal. Another suggestion might be an otter? Chris On Tue, 2007-08-21 at 15:12 -0500, Michael Beckwith wrote: > I don't think that's a good idea at all, no offence, because Microsoft > uses a butterfly a lot, and that's not what we want to associate > Fedora with. I'm still torn on the need for a mascot or not, so I > don't really have any suggestions in replacement of this. However on > the mascot wiki, I did kind of like the humans towards the bottom. > > On 8/21/07, Karel Boissinot wrote: > Anybody thought of using a butterfly for the mascott? I > really suck at drawing things so I can't say I have made a > sketch, but I got inspired looking at this picture: > > http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/images/3d_bubble_07.svg > > The reflected logo kinda makes it look like the bottom wings > of a butterfly. > > Anyway, just food for thought > > Karel > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list > > > > > -- > ~Michael > http://ridleytx.structed.net (for now) > http://www.michaelbox.net (eventually) > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list From tw2113 at gmail.com Tue Aug 21 20:34:39 2007 From: tw2113 at gmail.com (Michael Beckwith) Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2007 15:34:39 -0500 Subject: About the mascot In-Reply-To: <1187728126.3168.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <2e9d146c0708211237l6721173ci991c0f45470c6817@mail.gmail.com> <9b437e950708211312t347bf75dx1ed6f7c928df0f2e@mail.gmail.com> <1187728126.3168.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <9b437e950708211334r625e1d54gb1a9f2a34778649b@mail.gmail.com> I think what we need to do first is determine an animal or whatnot that symbolizes what Fedora is about. For instance, we always see owls as wise, and elephants as forgetful, etc. On 8/21/07, Christopher David Desjardins wrote: > > I think the human mascots are too anime looking. I think a goat > (perhaps a mountain goat standing on the top of a mountain of free/open > software? but please nothing resembling the GNU logo) or the platypus > sound like great ideas to me. The platypus is an extremely fascinating > animal. Another suggestion might be an otter? > Chris > > On Tue, 2007-08-21 at 15:12 -0500, Michael Beckwith wrote: > > I don't think that's a good idea at all, no offence, because Microsoft > > uses a butterfly a lot, and that's not what we want to associate > > Fedora with. I'm still torn on the need for a mascot or not, so I > > don't really have any suggestions in replacement of this. However on > > the mascot wiki, I did kind of like the humans towards the bottom. > > > > On 8/21/07, Karel Boissinot wrote: > > Anybody thought of using a butterfly for the mascott? I > > really suck at drawing things so I can't say I have made a > > sketch, but I got inspired looking at this picture: > > > > http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/images/3d_bubble_07.svg > > > > The reflected logo kinda makes it look like the bottom wings > > of a butterfly. > > > > Anyway, just food for thought > > > > Karel > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Fedora-art-list mailing list > > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list > > > > > > > > > > -- > > ~Michael > > http://ridleytx.structed.net (for now) > > http://www.michaelbox.net (eventually) > > _______________________________________________ > > Fedora-art-list mailing list > > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list > -- ~Michael http://ridleytx.structed.net (for now) http://www.michaelbox.net (eventually) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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For instance, we always see owls > as wise, and elephants as forgetful, etc. The problem with that is that such representations mean different things in different cultures; finding something that has a neutral or positive connotation in all cultures is difficult if not impossible. -- Ignacio Vazquez-Abrams PLEASE don't CC me; I'm already subscribed -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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For instance, we always see owls > > as wise, and elephants as forgetful, etc. > > The problem with that is that such representations mean different things > in different cultures; finding something that has a neutral or positive > connotation in all cultures is difficult if not impossible. Yep, and furthermore one should feel Fedora in it... From the mascots that were mockuped so far I like most of them (especially the parrot and the mermaid and merman and Try 9), but only in the parrot I feel a slight touch of Fedora... dunno why, however. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I really suck at > drawing things so I can't say I have made a sketch, but I got inspired > looking at this picture: > > http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/images/3d_bubble_07.svg > > The reflected logo kinda makes it look like the bottom wings of a butterfly. > > Anyway, just food for thought The thing is a mascot should not be centered around the logo, the intention behind the mascot was to have it freely usable by anyone and the logo is governed by trademark guidelines. -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From tatadbb at gmail.com Wed Aug 22 12:42:32 2007 From: tatadbb at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Mar=EDa_Leandro?=) Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2007 08:42:32 -0400 Subject: About the mascot In-Reply-To: <46CBCE55.5090402@nicubunu.ro> References: <2e9d146c0708211237l6721173ci991c0f45470c6817@mail.gmail.com> <46CBCE55.5090402@nicubunu.ro> Message-ID: <27a6293b0708220542h313475celf44d917dc6f4c541@mail.gmail.com> I think is a delicated issue. To pic a mascot, we "should" think about animals in danger of extinction, but this would unduly favour some of them. So when I made my propose, I was thinking not just of one, rather, of several, but to make a unique mascot that could be more symbolic. (don't wanna say USE MINE!.. just the idea...) So, why don't we make a list of which animals are in danger of extinction and join them to make a new one? 2007/8/22, Nicu Buculei : > > Karel Boissinot wrote: > > Anybody thought of using a butterfly for the mascott? I really suck at > > drawing things so I can't say I have made a sketch, but I got inspired > > looking at this picture: > > > > http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/images/3d_bubble_07.svg > > > > The reflected logo kinda makes it look like the bottom wings of a > butterfly. > > > > Anyway, just food for thought > > The thing is a mascot should not be centered around the logo, the > intention behind the mascot was to have it freely usable by anyone and > the logo is governed by trademark guidelines. > > -- > nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com > Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ > Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org > my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list > -- tatica Maria Gracia Leandro http://www.tatica.org http://www.fedora-ve.org http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/MariaLeandro LinuxUser= 440285 GPG Public Key: E1CDCC56 "Be yourself... Don't be anyone else" -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Wed Aug 22 12:58:21 2007 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2007 15:58:21 +0300 Subject: About the mascot In-Reply-To: <27a6293b0708220542h313475celf44d917dc6f4c541@mail.gmail.com> References: <2e9d146c0708211237l6721173ci991c0f45470c6817@mail.gmail.com> <46CBCE55.5090402@nicubunu.ro> <27a6293b0708220542h313475celf44d917dc6f4c541@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <46CC32ED.3050303@nicubunu.ro> Mar?a Leandro wrote: > I think is a delicated issue. To pic a mascot, we "should" think about > animals in danger of extinction, but this would unduly favour some of > them. So when I made my propose, I was thinking not just of one, rather, > of several, but to make a unique mascot that could be more symbolic. > (don't wanna say USE MINE!.. just the idea...) What I hoped for was convergence: after a certain number of proposals are submitted, people start playing with and improving the images submitted by the other and when *a lot* of people converge on playing by their own will with one single mascot, we can be certain we found a winner. > So, why don't we make a list of which animals are in danger of > extinction and join them to make a new one? I am not sure, we can come with a *huge* list with endangered species but we have not solved anything until someone draw *cute* images of them. Also, some of those species may be not well known outside a certain geographical area (they are endangered) so people may ask: what is that? (but as an apposite argument, something less known is geekier and may appeal better to our current audience). -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From duffy at redhat.com Wed Aug 22 19:49:25 2007 From: duffy at redhat.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?M=E1ir=EDn_Duffy?=) Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2007 15:49:25 -0400 Subject: Round 3 Default Artwork Decision Message-ID: <46CC9345.7090601@redhat.com> Hi folks, So the original deadline for round 3 was August 20th. The freeze date for F8 Test 2 was pushed back to the 28th. But I think we should make a decision now seeing as we're past our original due date and are really in a crunch right now with less than a week. We should be handing the artwork off by the morning of Monday, the 27th, to give the developers reasonable time to check it in before the freeze. If we don't have it all done for this freeze, we'll need to get the rest in for Test 3. So... which way are you folks all leaning for F8's default? Ben, have you made any more progress on Abstract? I checked the wiki page [1] but it looks like the latest artwork is from Aug 5th and doesn't incorporate the modifications based on the feedback you got on our blogs and on list? This is where Infinity is at: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/F8Themes/Infinity/Round3Final It has: - wallpaper for standard and widescreen ratios (still needs dualscreen) - grub background - anaconda splash - anaconda banner. It still needs: - CD boot menu - firstboot banner & splash (could reuse anaconda splash) - Normal boot menu background (grub) - RHGB theme - GDM theme (we can do a graphical greeter if we provide the theme so i can write it) - if we need splashes for gnome and KDE, the anaconda splash design should work well with minor modifications ~m [1] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/F8ThemeAbstract From nicolas.mailhot at laposte.net Wed Aug 22 20:19:24 2007 From: nicolas.mailhot at laposte.net (Nicolas Mailhot) Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2007 22:19:24 +0200 Subject: Round 3 Default Artwork Decision In-Reply-To: <46CC9345.7090601@redhat.com> References: <46CC9345.7090601@redhat.com> Message-ID: <1187813964.1994.12.camel@rousalka.dyndns.org> Le mercredi 22 ao?t 2007 ? 15:49 -0400, M?ir?n Duffy a ?crit : > It still needs: > > - CD boot menu > - firstboot banner & splash (could reuse anaconda splash) > - Normal boot menu background (grub) > - RHGB theme > - GDM theme (we can do a graphical greeter if we provide the theme so i > can write it) > - if we need splashes for gnome and KDE, the anaconda splash design > should work well with minor modifications Please check with the desktop group, I think at least some of those won't be needed by the new F8 boot process -- Nicolas Mailhot -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Luya From drago01 at gmail.com Wed Aug 22 20:33:22 2007 From: drago01 at gmail.com (dragoran) Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2007 22:33:22 +0200 Subject: Round 3 Default Artwork Decision In-Reply-To: <1187813964.1994.12.camel@rousalka.dyndns.org> References: <46CC9345.7090601@redhat.com> <1187813964.1994.12.camel@rousalka.dyndns.org> Message-ID: On 8/22/07, Nicolas Mailhot wrote: > > > Le mercredi 22 ao?t 2007 ? 15:49 -0400, M?ir?n Duffy a ?crit : > > > It still needs: > > > > - CD boot menu > > - firstboot banner & splash (could reuse anaconda splash) > > - Normal boot menu background (grub) > > - RHGB theme > > - GDM theme (we can do a graphical greeter if we provide the theme so i > > can write it) > > - if we need splashes for gnome and KDE, the anaconda splash design > > should work well with minor modifications > > Please check with the desktop group, I think at least some of those > won't be needed by the new F8 boot process boot process wont change in f8 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Thu Aug 23 06:37:25 2007 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2007 09:37:25 +0300 Subject: Round 3 Default Artwork Decision In-Reply-To: <46CC9345.7090601@redhat.com> References: <46CC9345.7090601@redhat.com> Message-ID: <46CD2B25.9000706@nicubunu.ro> M?ir?n Duffy wrote: > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/F8Themes/Infinity/Round3Final > > It still needs: > > - CD boot menu > - firstboot banner & splash (could reuse anaconda splash) > - Normal boot menu background (grub) > - RHGB theme > - GDM theme (we can do a graphical greeter if we provide the theme so i > can write it) > - if we need splashes for gnome and KDE, the anaconda splash design > should work well with minor modifications Do you need help with this? -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From nicolas.mailhot at laposte.net Thu Aug 23 11:33:52 2007 From: nicolas.mailhot at laposte.net (Nicolas Mailhot) Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2007 13:33:52 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [Echo Icons] help needed in cleaning SVG icons. Message-ID: <27985.192.54.193.51.1187868832.squirrel@rousalka.dyndns.org> Le Mer 15 ao?t 2007 19:42, Martin Sourada a ?crit : > Hi, > > the SVG icons have several more or less serious issues. I've already > fixed those most bad ones (non-square icon sizes and some of the worst > garbage removal from inkscape). We need more, however. Here is the > list > of what is needed to do with the SVG icons currently. > > a) make them smaller in means of space on disk - vacuum defs in > inkscape > does very good job at this (I already run it on some icons), it would > be > great if we could do more automatically, opening each icon in inkscape > is just slow... Just tell me what elements or attributes you want to be killed and I can modify the scrubbing xslt to do it (if it does not now, it's pretty thorough already) > b) fix the positioning. The positioning must the same as in 48x48 png > counterparts. Currently the SVG usually are slightly bigger > > c) add shadows. The shadows must be same like in their 48x48 png > counterparts. It's possible to make a shadow in and then export png, > in > order to be same. > > d) fix various rendering issues. Many icons made in Adobe Illustrator > just don't display as they should. All SVG icons MUST look like their > 48x48 png counterparts. Again if you can specify the transform you want I may just automatise it (no hard promise) Regards, -- Nicolas Mailhot From ben.arnold.inbox at gmail.com Thu Aug 23 11:38:09 2007 From: ben.arnold.inbox at gmail.com (Ben Arnold) Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2007 12:38:09 +0100 Subject: Round 3 Default Artwork Decision In-Reply-To: <46CC9345.7090601@redhat.com> References: <46CC9345.7090601@redhat.com> Message-ID: <9c3bfa1d0708230438v53b8d40ey972142692ad2a69c@mail.gmail.com> On 22/08/07, M?ir?n Duffy wrote: > Ben, have you made any more progress on Abstract? I checked the wiki > page [1] but it looks like the latest artwork is from Aug 5th and > doesn't incorporate the modifications based on the feedback you got on > our blogs and on list? > > [1] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/F8ThemeAbstract Unfortunately, I have been very busy this month (hence my quietness regarding the mailing list) and will be for the foreseeable days. I don't think I will be able to make anything substantial until September. I apoligise for this but I have updated the wiki page with the feeback and my intentions so if anyone wants to help then they can. Where has August gone? On 23/08/07, Nicu Buculei wrote: > M?ir?n Duffy wrote: > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/F8Themes/Infinity/Round3Final > > Do you need help with this? Anyone please feel free to jump in with any project. ./b -- | ..// seawolf //.. | | Ben Arnold | | e-mail / msn / icq / web | | http://clik.to/seawolfsanctuary | | ben.arnold.inbox (at) gmail.com | | iamseawolf (at) gmail (dot) com | | GnuPG Available - ask me! | From drago01 at gmail.com Thu Aug 23 10:45:12 2007 From: drago01 at gmail.com (dragoran) Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2007 12:45:12 +0200 Subject: [Nodoka] New release, 0.6 beta 1 (anconda problem?) In-Reply-To: <1187526832.9578.84.camel@pc-notebook> References: <1187526832.9578.84.camel@pc-notebook> Message-ID: <46CD6538.2050607@gmail.com> Martin Sourada wrote: > Hi, > > I've just released first official beta version of Nodoka theme. If there > will not be found any rendering issues this is how the final version > included in Fedora 8 will look like. > anconda looks "ugly" with this theme... it looks like running with only the colors but not the theme itself. 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YES, I would *love* some help - All of the source SVGs should be on that Round3Final page... I haven't even thought too much about the basic RHGB and GDM designs so anything is really fair game! ~m From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Thu Aug 23 13:49:21 2007 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2007 16:49:21 +0300 Subject: Round 3 Default Artwork Decision In-Reply-To: <46CD8B4A.3040202@redhat.com> References: <46CC9345.7090601@redhat.com> <46CD2B25.9000706@nicubunu.ro> <46CD8B4A.3040202@redhat.com> Message-ID: <46CD9061.40006@nicubunu.ro> M?ir?n Duffy wrote: > Nicu Buculei wrote: >> >> Do you need help with this? > > YES, I would *love* some help - > > All of the source SVGs should be on that Round3Final page... I haven't > even thought too much about the basic RHGB and GDM designs so anything > is really fair game! This attached mockup (I never did a RHGB screen before) is how I think it should look like: plain and simple but nice and with the same theme. -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: infinitelines-lightertouch-rhgb.png Type: image/png Size: 50766 bytes Desc: not available URL: From katzj at redhat.com Thu Aug 23 13:52:33 2007 From: katzj at redhat.com (Jeremy Katz) Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2007 09:52:33 -0400 Subject: [Nodoka] New release, 0.6 beta 1 (anconda problem?) In-Reply-To: <46CD6538.2050607@gmail.com> References: <1187526832.9578.84.camel@pc-notebook> <46CD6538.2050607@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1187877153.1215.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Thu, 2007-08-23 at 12:45 +0200, dragoran wrote: > Martin Sourada wrote: > > I've just released first official beta version of Nodoka theme. If there > > will not be found any rendering issues this is how the final version > > included in Fedora 8 will look like. > > > anconda looks "ugly" with this theme... it looks like running with only > the colors but not the theme itself. > I attached a screenshot to show you have it looks. This is actually a bug[1] in anaconda that's fixed in CVS -- we just need to actually get a build done. I think was one was going to be done yesterday, but I was out yesterday afternoon and haven't gotten that far into checking yet :-) Jeremy [1] Well, two bugs really. We used to hard-code the file info for the themes used by anaconda. I fixed things up to determine it dynamically a couple of weeks ago, but that fix had a buglet that I didn't notice in my testing. From stevelist at silverorange.com Thu Aug 23 13:58:54 2007 From: stevelist at silverorange.com (Steven Garrity) Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2007 10:58:54 -0300 Subject: Round 3 Default Artwork Decision In-Reply-To: <46CD9061.40006@nicubunu.ro> References: <46CC9345.7090601@redhat.com> <46CD2B25.9000706@nicubunu.ro> <46CD8B4A.3040202@redhat.com> <46CD9061.40006@nicubunu.ro> Message-ID: <46CD929E.5070209@silverorange.com> I'm not sure if this is an RHGB bug, or just a theme issue, but is it possible to lock the width of the box so that it doesn't get wider/more-narrow as the length of the startup text messages change? Cheers, Steven Garrity From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Thu Aug 23 14:04:57 2007 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2007 17:04:57 +0300 Subject: Round 3 Default Artwork Decision In-Reply-To: <46CD9061.40006@nicubunu.ro> References: <46CC9345.7090601@redhat.com> <46CD2B25.9000706@nicubunu.ro> <46CD8B4A.3040202@redhat.com> <46CD9061.40006@nicubunu.ro> Message-ID: <46CD9409.3070002@nicubunu.ro> Nicu Buculei wrote: > M?ir?n Duffy wrote: >> >> YES, I would *love* some help - >> >> All of the source SVGs should be on that Round3Final page... I haven't >> even thought too much about the basic RHGB and GDM designs so anything >> is really fair game! > > This attached mockup (I never did a RHGB screen before) is how I think > it should look like: plain and simple but nice and with the same theme. And I tried something: replaced the background in the Flying High GDM theme with your Infinity background and it does not look bad at all. We can tweak the login box a little (maybe decrease the corner roundness) to have it changed more. -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From martin.sourada at seznam.cz Thu Aug 23 20:47:41 2007 From: martin.sourada at seznam.cz (Martin Sourada) Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2007 22:47:41 +0200 Subject: [Echo Icons] help needed in cleaning SVG icons. In-Reply-To: <27985.192.54.193.51.1187868832.squirrel@rousalka.dyndns.org> References: <27985.192.54.193.51.1187868832.squirrel@rousalka.dyndns.org> Message-ID: <1187902062.9578.129.camel@pc-notebook> On Thu, 2007-08-23 at 13:33 +0200, Nicolas Mailhot wrote: > Le Mer 15 ao?t 2007 19:42, Martin Sourada a ?crit : > > Hi, > > > > the SVG icons have several more or less serious issues. I've already > > fixed those most bad ones (non-square icon sizes and some of the worst > > garbage removal from inkscape). We need more, however. Here is the > > list > > of what is needed to do with the SVG icons currently. > > > > a) make them smaller in means of space on disk - vacuum defs in > > inkscape > > does very good job at this (I already run it on some icons), it would > > be > > great if we could do more automatically, opening each icon in inkscape > > is just slow... > > Just tell me what elements or attributes you want to be killed and I > can modify the scrubbing xslt to do it (if it does not now, it's > pretty thorough already) > > Dunno exactly, but I DO know, that inkscape's vacuum defs can strip a lot of code, but also adds some of its own, which can be then stripped using your script. Also the layers with display:none are not removed with your script, or at least didn't work for some of them. Combination of these three in one script would be good. > > b) fix the positioning. The positioning must the same as in 48x48 png > > counterparts. Currently the SVG usually are slightly bigger > > > > c) add shadows. The shadows must be same like in their 48x48 png > > counterparts. It's possible to make a shadow in and then export png, > > in > > order to be same. > > > > d) fix various rendering issues. Many icons made in Adobe Illustrator > > just don't display as they should. All SVG icons MUST look like their > > 48x48 png counterparts. > > Again if you can specify the transform you want I may just automatise > it (no hard promise) > > Regards, > Probably cannot. I can only tell that there are some rendering issues (e.g. gradients set wrong, etc., ordering of objects is also sometimes wrong), but cannot tell, why and when. One thing that MIGHT be automatised is fixing of positioning - the svg icons are usually stretched to whole canvas, while the pngs are not. Also it seems that Diana used to finish them in non vector format, because if you set them right, they still differ a bit. Thanks, Martin -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From martin.sourada at seznam.cz Thu Aug 23 20:52:06 2007 From: martin.sourada at seznam.cz (Martin Sourada) Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2007 22:52:06 +0200 Subject: [Nodoka] New release, 0.6 beta 1 (anconda problem?) In-Reply-To: <1187877153.1215.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1187526832.9578.84.camel@pc-notebook> <46CD6538.2050607@gmail.com> <1187877153.1215.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1187902326.9578.134.camel@pc-notebook> On Thu, 2007-08-23 at 15:52 +0200, Jeremy Katz wrote: > On Thu, 2007-08-23 at 12:45 +0200, dragoran wrote: > > Martin Sourada wrote: > > > I've just released first official beta version of Nodoka theme. If there > > > will not be found any rendering issues this is how the final version > > > included in Fedora 8 will look like. > > > > > anconda looks "ugly" with this theme... it looks like running with only > > the colors but not the theme itself. > > I attached a screenshot to show you have it looks. > > This is actually a bug[1] in anaconda that's fixed in CVS -- we just > need to actually get a build done. I think was one was going to be done > yesterday, but I was out yesterday afternoon and haven't gotten that far > into checking yet :-) > > Jeremy > > [1] Well, two bugs really. We used to hard-code the file info for the > themes used by anaconda. I fixed things up to determine it dynamically > a couple of weeks ago, but that fix had a buglet that I didn't notice in > my testing. > Maybe I would not call it a bug, only a issue. I don't know where the core of the problems lie, but when you install rawhide's nodoka to a machine with Fedora 7's gtk it looks precisely the same, upgrade to rawhide's gtk fixes it (or build against the old gtk). Martin -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From martin.sourada at seznam.cz Thu Aug 23 20:55:19 2007 From: martin.sourada at seznam.cz (Martin Sourada) Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2007 22:55:19 +0200 Subject: Round 3 Default Artwork Decision In-Reply-To: <46CD929E.5070209@silverorange.com> References: <46CC9345.7090601@redhat.com> <46CD2B25.9000706@nicubunu.ro> <46CD8B4A.3040202@redhat.com> <46CD9061.40006@nicubunu.ro> <46CD929E.5070209@silverorange.com> Message-ID: <1187902519.9578.138.camel@pc-notebook> On Thu, 2007-08-23 at 15:58 +0200, Steven Garrity wrote: > I'm not sure if this is an RHGB bug, or just a theme issue, but is it > possible to lock the width of the box so that it doesn't get > wider/more-narrow as the length of the startup text messages change? > > Cheers, > Steven Garrity > Yes, I noticed that also. It looks a little unpolished. Dunno whom to address about it though... I think it's a rhgb bug (or a feature?), I've been noticing it since the first Fedora I used (FC3) and we've changed the theme several times since then. Martin -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From martin.sourada at seznam.cz Thu Aug 23 21:00:20 2007 From: martin.sourada at seznam.cz (Martin Sourada) Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2007 23:00:20 +0200 Subject: [Echo Icons] help needed in cleaning SVG icons. In-Reply-To: <1187902062.9578.129.camel@pc-notebook> References: <27985.192.54.193.51.1187868832.squirrel@rousalka.dyndns.org> <1187902062.9578.129.camel@pc-notebook> Message-ID: <1187902820.9578.144.camel@pc-notebook> On Thu, 2007-08-23 at 22:47 +0200, Martin Sourada wrote: > On Thu, 2007-08-23 at 13:33 +0200, Nicolas Mailhot wrote: > > Le Mer 15 ao?t 2007 19:42, Martin Sourada a ?crit : > > > Hi, > > > > > > the SVG icons have several more or less serious issues. I've already > > > fixed those most bad ones (non-square icon sizes and some of the worst > > > garbage removal from inkscape). We need more, however. Here is the > > > list > > > of what is needed to do with the SVG icons currently. > > > > > > a) make them smaller in means of space on disk - vacuum defs in > > > inkscape > > > does very good job at this (I already run it on some icons), it would > > > be > > > great if we could do more automatically, opening each icon in inkscape > > > is just slow... > > > > Just tell me what elements or attributes you want to be killed and I > > can modify the scrubbing xslt to do it (if it does not now, it's > > pretty thorough already) > > > > > Dunno exactly, but I DO know, that inkscape's vacuum defs can strip a > lot of code, but also adds some of its own, which can be then stripped > using your script. Also the layers with display:none are not removed > with your script, or at least didn't work for some of them. Combination > of these three in one script would be good. But to be fair, I don't remember whether I did a notice about it or not, but I run all the icons through the vacuum defs and removed the layers with display:none, where it was seen on first look (I removed it manually in gedit, so I might have overlooked some of them). Also I run your script (but before the inkscape's vacuum defs) on all icons that seemed to be too big (basically only those that were not in luya's initial import). Can your script be run easily on all icons (I mean something like ./svg_cleanup /path/to/Echo/scalable/*/*.svg)? Martin -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Rahul From nicolas.mailhot at laposte.net Thu Aug 23 21:06:40 2007 From: nicolas.mailhot at laposte.net (Nicolas Mailhot) Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2007 23:06:40 +0200 Subject: [Echo Icons] help needed in cleaning SVG icons. In-Reply-To: <1187902062.9578.129.camel@pc-notebook> References: <27985.192.54.193.51.1187868832.squirrel@rousalka.dyndns.org> <1187902062.9578.129.camel@pc-notebook> Message-ID: <1187903200.26263.2.camel@rousalka.dyndns.org> Le jeudi 23 ao?t 2007 ? 22:47 +0200, Martin Sourada a ?crit : > On Thu, 2007-08-23 at 13:33 +0200, Nicolas Mailhot wrote: > > Le Mer 15 ao?t 2007 19:42, Martin Sourada a ?crit : > > > Hi, > > > > > > the SVG icons have several more or less serious issues. I've already > > > fixed those most bad ones (non-square icon sizes and some of the worst > > > garbage removal from inkscape). We need more, however. Here is the > > > list > > > of what is needed to do with the SVG icons currently. > > > > > > a) make them smaller in means of space on disk - vacuum defs in > > > inkscape > > > does very good job at this (I already run it on some icons), it would > > > be > > > great if we could do more automatically, opening each icon in inkscape > > > is just slow... > > > > Just tell me what elements or attributes you want to be killed and I > > can modify the scrubbing xslt to do it (if it does not now, it's > > pretty thorough already) > > > > > Dunno exactly, but I DO know, that inkscape's vacuum defs can strip a > lot of code, but also adds some of its own, which can be then stripped > using your script. Also the layers with display:none are not removed > with your script, or at least didn't work for some of them. Ok, just post samples of svgs that exibit each problem then, I'll do some diffing to find out what happens. Regards, -- Nicolas Mailhot -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 197 bytes Desc: Ceci est une partie de message num?riquement sign?e URL: From nicolas.mailhot at laposte.net Thu Aug 23 21:13:00 2007 From: nicolas.mailhot at laposte.net (Nicolas Mailhot) Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2007 23:13:00 +0200 Subject: [Echo Icons] help needed in cleaning SVG icons. In-Reply-To: <1187902820.9578.144.camel@pc-notebook> References: <27985.192.54.193.51.1187868832.squirrel@rousalka.dyndns.org> <1187902062.9578.129.camel@pc-notebook> <1187902820.9578.144.camel@pc-notebook> Message-ID: <1187903580.26263.8.camel@rousalka.dyndns.org> Le jeudi 23 ao?t 2007 ? 23:00 +0200, Martin Sourada a ?crit : > Can your script be run easily on all icons (I mean > something like ./svg_cleanup /path/to/Echo/scalable/*/*.svg)? My original message has a loop example : mkdir /tmp/svgtest for svg in $(find /usr/share/icons/Echo/scalable -name "*.svg" -type f) ; do xsltproc -o /tmp/svgtest/$svg svg-cleanup.xsl $svg ; done This will generate a copy of the /usr/share/icons/Echo/scalable tree in /tmp/svgtest with every icon scrubbed. As xslt is very much a single file transformation language you need a wrapper (shell in this case) to automate multiple file processing -- Nicolas Mailhot -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 197 bytes Desc: Ceci est une partie de message num?riquement sign?e URL: From martin.sourada at seznam.cz Thu Aug 23 21:31:49 2007 From: martin.sourada at seznam.cz (Martin Sourada) Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2007 23:31:49 +0200 Subject: [Echo Icons] help needed in cleaning SVG icons. In-Reply-To: <1187903200.26263.2.camel@rousalka.dyndns.org> References: <27985.192.54.193.51.1187868832.squirrel@rousalka.dyndns.org> <1187902062.9578.129.camel@pc-notebook> <1187903200.26263.2.camel@rousalka.dyndns.org> Message-ID: <1187904709.9578.163.camel@pc-notebook> On Thu, 2007-08-23 at 23:06 +0200, Nicolas Mailhot wrote: > Ok, just post samples of svgs that exibit each problem then, I'll do > some diffing to find out what happens. > > Regards, > For the vacuum defs you can try out nearly every icon in git[1]. The icons in echo-icon-theme-0.3-1 folder should be before the inkscape's vacuum defs, all in the trunk folder are after that. Most notable it is for weather icons (in trunk listed under status, the trunk also has only 48x48 versions, so compare these, in release not included, so you'll have to d/l them from EchoDeveloment wiki). For the adobe garbage it works already good. For the layers with display:none one of the examples is emblem-photos [2]. In git in trunk it is under emblems folder. Another one is preferences-desktop-keyboard [3]. In git in trunk under apps folder. Most of the changes should be in the git as well, because I did it after I imported it in git... See these commits: Remove Illustrator Garbage, using your script [4] vacuum defs plus layers display:none removal [5] and [6]. Martin References: [1] git clone git://git.fedoraproject.org/git/hosted/echo-icon-theme [2] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/EchoDevelopment?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=emblem-photosL.svg [3] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/EchoDevelopment?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=preferences-desktop-keyboard24.svg [4] https://hosted.fedoraproject.org/projects/echo-icon-theme/changeset/11676a02265d8e0ed18b724240baa67415248fc8 [5] https://hosted.fedoraproject.org/projects/echo-icon-theme/changeset/bb8c0d1bfe39dd5da74b59488f76de4b20f11c15 [6] http://git.fedoraproject.org/?p=hosted/echo-icon-theme;a=commit;h=27ff156191a3223cc7cf86d0a705cd0866bcc929 Sorry for the last commit being in git web interface directly, but trac seems to have problems with this one. The start of the address is same like in [5] and the last part is same as that after h= (it's commit ID). Direct access to git web interface seems to be a lot of faster, the one on trac seems to be a little buggy, slow, but fancier. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From martin.sourada at seznam.cz Thu Aug 23 21:35:19 2007 From: martin.sourada at seznam.cz (Martin Sourada) Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2007 23:35:19 +0200 Subject: [Echo Icons] help needed in cleaning SVG icons. In-Reply-To: <1187903580.26263.8.camel@rousalka.dyndns.org> References: <27985.192.54.193.51.1187868832.squirrel@rousalka.dyndns.org> <1187902062.9578.129.camel@pc-notebook> <1187902820.9578.144.camel@pc-notebook> <1187903580.26263.8.camel@rousalka.dyndns.org> Message-ID: <1187904919.9578.166.camel@pc-notebook> On Thu, 2007-08-23 at 23:13 +0200, Nicolas Mailhot wrote: > Le jeudi 23 ao?t 2007 ? 23:00 +0200, Martin Sourada a ?crit : > > Can your script be run easily on all icons (I mean > > something like ./svg_cleanup /path/to/Echo/scalable/*/*.svg)? > > My original message has a loop example : > > mkdir /tmp/svgtest > for svg in $(find /usr/share/icons/Echo/scalable -name "*.svg" -type f) ; do xsltproc -o /tmp/svgtest/$svg svg-cleanup.xsl $svg ; done > > This will generate a copy of the /usr/share/icons/Echo/scalable tree > in /tmp/svgtest with every icon scrubbed. As xslt is very much a single > file transformation language you need a wrapper (shell in this case) to > automate multiple file processing > That's exactly what I was talking about. If you add the other things I talked about (vacuum defs and removal of display:none layers) it could be run regularly to keep the sizes as small as possible :) -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From martin.sourada at seznam.cz Thu Aug 23 22:43:26 2007 From: martin.sourada at seznam.cz (Martin Sourada) Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2007 00:43:26 +0200 Subject: Round 3 Default Artwork Decision In-Reply-To: <46CDF5F9.1030703@fedoraproject.org> References: <46CC9345.7090601@redhat.com> <46CD2B25.9000706@nicubunu.ro> <46CD8B4A.3040202@redhat.com> <46CD9061.40006@nicubunu.ro> <46CD929E.5070209@silverorange.com> <1187902519.9578.138.camel@pc-notebook> <46CDF5F9.1030703@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <1187909006.9578.171.camel@pc-notebook> On Thu, 2007-08-23 at 23:02 +0200, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > Martin Sourada wrote: > > > Yes, I noticed that also. It looks a little unpolished. Dunno whom to > > address about it though... I think it's a rhgb bug (or a feature?), I've > > been noticing it since the first Fedora I used (FC3) and we've changed > > the theme several times since then. > > File a bug report against RHGB. I don't think it is theme related. > > Rahul > Doing a routine search first for existing bugs in rhgb I've found a one [1] that looks pretty much like the issue we discuss here. But I want to be sure that it's the same issue before reopening it, so if anyone can check it (as I am a little in doubts about it), it would be appreciated :) Martin References: [1] https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=183193 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Thu Aug 23 23:00:55 2007 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2007 04:30:55 +0530 Subject: Round 3 Default Artwork Decision In-Reply-To: <1187909006.9578.171.camel@pc-notebook> References: <46CC9345.7090601@redhat.com> <46CD2B25.9000706@nicubunu.ro> <46CD8B4A.3040202@redhat.com> <46CD9061.40006@nicubunu.ro> <46CD929E.5070209@silverorange.com> <1187902519.9578.138.camel@pc-notebook> <46CDF5F9.1030703@fedoraproject.org> <1187909006.9578.171.camel@pc-notebook> Message-ID: <46CE11A7.6030804@fedoraproject.org> Martin Sourada wrote: > On Thu, 2007-08-23 at 23:02 +0200, Rahul Sundaram wrote: >> Martin Sourada wrote: >> >>> Yes, I noticed that also. It looks a little unpolished. Dunno whom to >>> address about it though... I think it's a rhgb bug (or a feature?), I've >>> been noticing it since the first Fedora I used (FC3) and we've changed >>> the theme several times since then. >> File a bug report against RHGB. I don't think it is theme related. >> >> Rahul >> > > Doing a routine search first for existing bugs in rhgb I've found a one > [1] that looks pretty much like the issue we discuss here. But I want to > be sure that it's the same issue before reopening it, so if anyone can > check it (as I am a little in doubts about it), it would be > appreciated :) Yep. Reopen. Rahul From duffy at redhat.com Fri Aug 24 03:10:41 2007 From: duffy at redhat.com (=?UTF-8?B?TcOhaXLDrcKtbiBEdWZmeQ==?=) Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2007 23:10:41 -0400 Subject: Round 3 Default Artwork Decision In-Reply-To: <1187813964.1994.12.camel@rousalka.dyndns.org> References: <46CC9345.7090601@redhat.com> <1187813964.1994.12.camel@rousalka.dyndns.org> Message-ID: <46CE4C31.9040503@redhat.com> Nicolas Mailhot wrote: > Please check with the desktop group, I think at least some of those > won't be needed by the new F8 boot process I didn't notice you cc'ed another list and missed a large part of the conversation since I am not subscribed to fedora-desktop list. :( ~m From drago01 at gmail.com Thu Aug 23 14:01:58 2007 From: drago01 at gmail.com (dragoran) Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2007 16:01:58 +0200 Subject: [Nodoka] New release, 0.6 beta 1 (anconda problem?) In-Reply-To: <1187877153.1215.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1187526832.9578.84.camel@pc-notebook> <46CD6538.2050607@gmail.com> <1187877153.1215.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <46CD9356.6090805@gmail.com> Jeremy Katz wrote: > This is actually a bug[1] in anaconda that's fixed in CVS -- we just > need to actually get a build done. I think was one was going to be done > yesterday, but I was out yesterday afternoon and haven't gotten that far > into checking yet :-) > ok :) From duffy at redhat.com Sun Aug 26 11:18:14 2007 From: duffy at redhat.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?M=E1ir=ED=ADn_Duffy?=) Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2007 07:18:14 -0400 Subject: Round 3 Default Artwork Decision In-Reply-To: <46CD9061.40006@nicubunu.ro> References: <46CC9345.7090601@redhat.com> <46CD2B25.9000706@nicubunu.ro> <46CD8B4A.3040202@redhat.com> <46CD9061.40006@nicubunu.ro> Message-ID: <46D16176.9080203@redhat.com> Nicu Buculei wrote: > This attached mockup (I never did a RHGB screen before) is how I think > it should look like: plain and simple but nice and with the same theme. Nicu, I used your mockup to create an image and tried it out in RHGB - it looks *really* slick. The only thing is that I can't change the background color without rebuilding the package so I'm going to get some help on that. Can't seem to take a screenshot either... sigh :) By the way, I have updated the grub artwork, added syslinux, and also the firstboot artwork for Infinity. I was thinking about basing the GDM theme on Avio - with some overhaul of the buttons displayed (I think it displays too many, and the button artwork clashses with our style): http://gnome-look.org/content/show.php?content=37395 ~m From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Sun Aug 26 11:53:03 2007 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2007 17:23:03 +0530 Subject: Round 3 Default Artwork Decision In-Reply-To: <46D16176.9080203@redhat.com> References: <46CC9345.7090601@redhat.com> <46CD2B25.9000706@nicubunu.ro> <46CD8B4A.3040202@redhat.com> <46CD9061.40006@nicubunu.ro> <46D16176.9080203@redhat.com> Message-ID: <46D1699F.8000605@fedoraproject.org> M?ir??n Duffy wrote: > Nicu Buculei wrote: >> This attached mockup (I never did a RHGB screen before) is how I think >> it should look like: plain and simple but nice and with the same theme. > > Nicu, I used your mockup to create an image and tried it out in RHGB - > it looks *really* slick. The only thing is that I can't change the > background color without rebuilding the package so I'm going to get some > help on that. Can't seem to take a screenshot either... sigh :) > > By the way, I have updated the grub artwork, added syslinux, and also > the firstboot artwork for Infinity. Does the syslinux image have to be different from the grub image? Rahul From fedora-art at brej.org Sun Aug 26 22:15:45 2007 From: fedora-art at brej.org (Charlie Brej) Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2007 23:15:45 +0100 Subject: [SPAM:1.4] Echo media icons and colour question Message-ID: <46D1FB91.7040401@brej.org> I reworked the media icons and added 22x22 and 16x16 versions. I've put them up at: http://home.brej.org/Echo/ Now the question. When making the icons I followed the guidelines and used the "#00BBFF Echo Main" blue for the main blue. Most blue action icons use "#19AEFF" instead which isn't in the colour palette. There is little visible difference but I would like to make sure which is the correct colour. If #00BBFF is the right one then I can go through and change the gradients on the SVGs and correct the other action icons with the right colour as I add lighting/shadows. From martin.sourada at seznam.cz Sun Aug 26 22:40:11 2007 From: martin.sourada at seznam.cz (Martin Sourada) Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2007 00:40:11 +0200 Subject: [SPAM:1.4] Echo media icons and colour question In-Reply-To: <46D1FB91.7040401@brej.org> References: <46D1FB91.7040401@brej.org> Message-ID: <1188168011.9578.319.camel@pc-notebook> On Mon, 2007-08-27 at 00:15 +0200, Charlie Brej wrote: > I reworked the media icons and added 22x22 and 16x16 versions. I've put them up > at: http://home.brej.org/Echo/ > Nice, some comments: The icons seems not-antialiased. It is not mentioned in guidelines (yet) but each icon is supposed to be antialiased. This can be easily achieved with creating the icon in inkscape and then export it to png (if antialiasing is still not enough, finalise it with gimp, e.g. export with bigger size and then play with blur and resize in gimp). Also, having a svg version of all icon sizes is nice, even though the svgs will not be in the main package, it makes maintenance (and derivatives) easier. Make the outline softer, it contrasts too much with the white background. If #364e59 is too dark, use slightly brighter. Make the gradient softer. The transition to pure white seems too strong. > Now the question. When making the icons I followed the guidelines and used the > "#00BBFF Echo Main" blue for the main blue. Most blue action icons use "#19AEFF" > instead which isn't in the colour palette. There is little visible difference > but I would like to make sure which is the correct colour. If #00BBFF is the > right one then I can go through and change the gradients on the SVGs and correct > the other action icons with the right colour as I add lighting/shadows. > Oh, you are not tied to the very colours in the guidelines. They are basic ones, used colours might slightly differ in order to look better. Quoting the tango guidelines: > The common practice when drawing icons is to use the palette as a > base, applying it on large areas. Shading with gradients, creating > highlight and shadows by changing value, and minor changes of > saturation are also allowed and endorsed. Colors do not have to come > exclusively from this set, as additional colors may be used. Starting > from the base color and changing value, saturation or even hue > slightly gives more consistant results that starting from arbitrary > colors. So I'd suggest to use whatever you think is better :) Martin -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Thanks, Martin References: [1] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/MartinSourada/EchoIconThemeGuidelinesDRAFT -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From luya_tfz at thefinalzone.com Mon Aug 27 06:29:51 2007 From: luya_tfz at thefinalzone.com (Luya Tshimbalanga) Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2007 23:29:51 -0700 Subject: [SPAM:1.4] Echo media icons and colour question In-Reply-To: <46D1FB91.7040401@brej.org> References: <46D1FB91.7040401@brej.org> Message-ID: <46D26F5F.10905@thefinalzone.com> Charlie Brej a ?crit : > I reworked the media icons and added 22x22 and 16x16 versions. I've > put them up at: http://home.brej.org/Echo/ > Make sure to cast the light upper-left instead of upper-right i.e. media-playback-stop icon. I noticed the pause button is improved. If you like to submit these icons once you fixed mentioned issues, please request access to gitecho-icon-theme using your Fedora account. Luya From fedora-art at brej.org Mon Aug 27 21:34:58 2007 From: fedora-art at brej.org (Charlie Brej) Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2007 22:34:58 +0100 Subject: [SPAM:1.4] Re: [SPAM:1.4] Echo media icons and colour question In-Reply-To: <46D26F5F.10905@thefinalzone.com> References: <46D1FB91.7040401@brej.org> <46D26F5F.10905@thefinalzone.com> Message-ID: <46D34382.40604@brej.org> Luya Tshimbalanga wrote: > Charlie Brej a ?crit : >> I reworked the media icons and added 22x22 and 16x16 versions. I've >> put them up at: http://home.brej.org/Echo/ >> > Make sure to cast the light upper-left instead of upper-right i.e. > media-playback-stop icon. I noticed that all icons have the lighting coming from the upper right corner so I left it as it was. If I change it to the right then I should do the same for all. As I was going though the icons I also noticed that there is no systematic lighting gradient either. Since these arrow type icons are quite simple what I could do is to go through and make them all and edit the svg by hand so as to make sure all the colours/gradients/shadows all match. They are only a few objects each so it shouldn't be hard. I'm gonna leave it for a couple weeks till I have some time again but it shouldn't take me long now I know the guts of these. From martin.sourada at seznam.cz Mon Aug 27 21:51:23 2007 From: martin.sourada at seznam.cz (Martin Sourada) Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2007 23:51:23 +0200 Subject: [SPAM:1.4] Re: [SPAM:1.4] Echo media icons and colour question In-Reply-To: <46D34382.40604@brej.org> References: <46D1FB91.7040401@brej.org> <46D26F5F.10905@thefinalzone.com> <46D34382.40604@brej.org> Message-ID: <1188251483.17951.10.camel@pc-notebook> On Mon, 2007-08-27 at 23:34 +0200, Charlie Brej wrote: > Luya Tshimbalanga wrote: > > Charlie Brej a ?crit : > >> I reworked the media icons and added 22x22 and 16x16 versions. I've > >> put them up at: http://home.brej.org/Echo/ > >> > > Make sure to cast the light upper-left instead of upper-right i.e. > > media-playback-stop icon. > > I noticed that all icons have the lighting coming from the upper right corner so > I left it as it was. If I change it to the right then I should do the same for > all. As I was going though the icons I also noticed that there is no systematic > lighting gradient either. Since these arrow type icons are quite simple what I > could do is to go through and make them all and edit the svg by hand so as to > make sure all the colours/gradients/shadows all match. They are only a few > objects each so it shouldn't be hard. I'm gonna leave it for a couple weeks till > I have some time again but it shouldn't take me long now I know the guts of these. > The light indeed is cast from upper-left. This results in bright spot on the upper-right for flat circle-like icons, for square-like icons usually linear gradient is used with lighter colours in upper-right area, for isometric the lightning is a little more complex, but for ball-like objects it results in bright spot in the upper-left. It's maybe a bit confusing. In some icons I noticed usage of round gradient even on square-like shapes and otherwise. I would therefore base the usage per case-by-case basis (i.e. what looks better and more consistent with the rest). You can use the lightning section of the old guidelines [1] as a reference (note that for 22x22 and 24x24 flat icons the lightning however should be same like in the tilted table perspective). If you think some of the icons clearly have the highlight wrong, post their names here. I am going to make a list of icons with issues (where one of the issues is guidelines violation) after we settle the definite version of the guidelines. Martin References: [1] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/EchoIconGuidelines#head-b98a7c684b6757c3b5a7d8559d4503da21b972ad -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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The only absolutely essential artwork we do not have checked in or ready to check in for F8 test 2 is GDM. I'm not sure what to do about it; Avio [2] looks nice - what do you think if we used that with a theme-specific background? Does anybody have any other ideas for GDM? As an absolute fallback we can go with the current one and simply replace the Flying High background as Nicu suggested. It doesn't look bad, but I'd like to see something different if we can do it. If anybody has a mockup I can implement it so we're not bound to use something that's already been implemented. Other stuff that's not super essential but nice-to-have and hopefully we'll have ready for test 3: - gnome splash - kde splash - multi-colored multiple backgrounds for the time-of-day feature mclasen mentioned earlier. (actually I have some prepared already so if I have some time tomorrow I'll see if I can get any of those in) Beyond this, there's still a lot of work to do so if anyone is interested in working on any of the following (or anything above for that matter) please feel free to jump in! :) - Round 4: default firefox theme - banner / layout - every time someone opens up firefox in Fedora 8 they will see this page! default httpd 'welcome to your fedora webserver' page - every time someone starts up a Fedora httpd webserver for the first time this will be the page their system serves up. - Round 5: F8 marketing materials discussion with fedora-marketing-list... come up with a slogan for our new theme, and promotional graphic ideas, maybe brainstorm what's needed for the promotional kit (see round 7) - Round 6: finalize artwork/design for F8 DVD/CD labels and sleeves. These will be printed up professionally and will be available at conferences likely worldwide. They also may be used by magazines that distribute Fedora 8. So if you want to learn about designing DVD/CD labels for professional screenprinting (I'm thinking this time let's do something cool with leaving parts of the design blank for the silver of the disc to show through), or if you'd rather come up with a nice logo Fedora users everywhere can print out on an inkjet printer, help out with this one :) - Round 7: release promo kit with nicely-designed PDF release notes for handing out at conferences, etc (good excuse to try out Scribus!!) - Round 8: finalize www.fedoraproject.org promotional materials for F8 launch ~m [1] (Ben, we can resurrect Abstract for F9 if you want to propose it again... and feel free to jump in on the other rounds for F8 if/when you're less busy!) [2] http://gnome-look.org/content/show.php?content=37395 From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Tue Aug 28 06:54:06 2007 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2007 09:54:06 +0300 Subject: F8 artwork update In-Reply-To: <46D3B300.1070402@redhat.com> References: <46D3B300.1070402@redhat.com> Message-ID: <46D3C68E.9040308@nicubunu.ro> M?ir??n Duffy wrote: > > The only absolutely essential artwork we do not have checked in or ready > to check in for F8 test 2 is GDM. I'm not sure what to do about it; Avio > [2] looks nice - what do you think if we used that with a theme-specific > background? Does anybody have any other ideas for GDM? As an absolute > fallback we can go with the current one and simply replace the Flying > High background as Nicu suggested. It doesn't look bad, but I'd like to > see something different if we can do it. If anybody has a mockup I can > implement it so we're not bound to use something that's already been > implemented. Yes, Avio looks nice *if* we reduce the number of buttons, otherwise it is too busy. I liked the use of transparent areas in F7's Flying High, so I favor the middle version of the 3 Avio screenshots (it also looks a little less Vista-like). > Other stuff that's not super essential but nice-to-have and hopefully > we'll have ready for test 3: > > - gnome splash > - kde splash With the GNOME splash *not* enabled by default I think we are just fine using the upstream splash. -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From ben.arnold.inbox at gmail.com Tue Aug 28 07:07:58 2007 From: ben.arnold.inbox at gmail.com (Ben Arnold) Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2007 08:07:58 +0100 Subject: F8 artwork update In-Reply-To: <46D3B300.1070402@redhat.com> References: <46D3B300.1070402@redhat.com> Message-ID: <9c3bfa1d0708280007u31e731aek5905a8a3fb7b5a1f@mail.gmail.com> On 28/08/07, M?ir??n Duffy wrote: > The only absolutely essential artwork we do not have checked in or ready > to check in for F8 test 2 is GDM. I'm not sure what to do about it; Avio > [2] looks nice - what do you think if we used that with a theme-specific > background? Does anybody have any other ideas for GDM? Avio in general is quite good-looking and functional, has a KDE feel to it. The layout bugs me a bit tho, I'd move the entry box below the buttons after - like you said earlier - thinning them out. > As an absolute > fallback we can go with the current one and simply replace the Flying > High background as Nicu suggested. It doesn't look bad, but I'd like to > see something different if we can do it. I don't think the Infinity background will be busy or harsh enough to make the login screen of yester-release look attractive/interesting. You may see this is one were to imagine DNA and Infinity side-by-side. This leads me to this that, because of all the parts to the screen, Avio would be a good idea after some tweaking. Personally, I'd prefer the second [1] style as the other's are blatantly Vista-ish. > we'll have ready for test 3: > > - gnome splash > - kde splash > - multi-colored multiple backgrounds for the time-of-day feature mclasen > mentioned earlier. (actually I have some prepared already so if I have > some time tomorrow I'll see if I can get any of those in) Will the splashes use Mist icons or Echo? TBH I got lost in the conversation about that - sorry! > [1] (Ben, we can resurrect Abstract for F9 if you want to propose it > again... and feel free to jump in on the other rounds for F8 if/when > you're less busy!) That would be fantastic, I was thinking of doing that later on to give us a break. Maybe when the proposals are either /really/ lame or when about three people can work on it all! I'll try to do the splashes as I've the templates from the old DNA and Borealis [2/3]. ./b Refs: 1. http://gnome-look.org/CONTENT/content-pre2/37395-2.jpg 2. http://iamseawolf.deviantart.com/art/fedorArt-Borealis-Clifftop-KS-48391329 3. http://iamseawolf.deviantart.com/art/fedorArt-Borealis-Clifftop-GS-48391235 -- | ..// seawolf //.. | | Ben Arnold | | e-mail / msn / icq / web | | http://clik.to/seawolfsanctuary | | ben.arnold.inbox (at) gmail.com | | GnuPG Available - ask me! | From martin.sourada at seznam.cz Tue Aug 28 12:18:12 2007 From: martin.sourada at seznam.cz (Martin Sourada) Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2007 14:18:12 +0200 Subject: Infinity GDM mockup Message-ID: <1188303492.6360.4.camel@pc-notebook> Hi, I created a gmd mockups for the infinity theme. It's based on the Avio style you talked about, but it has fewer buttons and it is coloured according to infinity wallpaper. I created widescreen mockup, but on 4:3 it will be similar. Any comments? Oh, and the used icons are from Gnome theme (as Mist derives those). Martin References: [1] http://mso.fedorapeople.org/gdm/ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Tue Aug 28 12:30:23 2007 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2007 15:30:23 +0300 Subject: Infinity GDM mockup In-Reply-To: <1188303492.6360.4.camel@pc-notebook> References: <1188303492.6360.4.camel@pc-notebook> Message-ID: <46D4155F.6080400@nicubunu.ro> Martin Sourada wrote: > Hi, > > I created a gmd mockups for the infinity theme. It's based on the Avio > style you talked about, but it has fewer buttons and it is coloured > according to infinity wallpaper. I created widescreen mockup, but on 4:3 > it will be similar. Any comments? Oh, and the used icons are from Gnome > theme (as Mist derives those). - I like better the version with the user/password box at the top, I find it easier to find; - I would use a smaller font for date/time and maybe (just maybe) move it to the bottom, is not that important as info; - the drop shadow could be a little more discrete, not so large and definitely it should not be visible under the transparent area; - how about little (but very little) transparency for the central (dark blue) area? - maybe the white area should not be so white (I didn't like the big area in Avio either) I think I'll play a bit in Inkscape with your SVG and post here if I like what I get > References: > [1] http://mso.fedorapeople.org/gdm/ -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From martin.sourada at seznam.cz Tue Aug 28 12:41:18 2007 From: martin.sourada at seznam.cz (Martin Sourada) Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2007 14:41:18 +0200 Subject: Infinity GDM mockup In-Reply-To: <46D4155F.6080400@nicubunu.ro> References: <1188303492.6360.4.camel@pc-notebook> <46D4155F.6080400@nicubunu.ro> Message-ID: <1188304878.6360.10.camel@pc-notebook> On Tue, 2007-08-28 at 14:30 +0200, Nicu Buculei wrote: > Martin Sourada wrote: > > Hi, > > > > I created a gmd mockups for the infinity theme. It's based on the Avio > > style you talked about, but it has fewer buttons and it is coloured > > according to infinity wallpaper. I created widescreen mockup, but on 4:3 > > it will be similar. Any comments? Oh, and the used icons are from Gnome > > theme (as Mist derives those). > > - I like better the version with the user/password box at the top, I > find it easier to find; I too. > - I would use a smaller font for date/time and maybe (just maybe) move > it to the bottom, is not that important as info; Hm... it could be smaller, but I would let it be at the top. > - the drop shadow could be a little more discrete, not so large and > definitely it should not be visible under the transparent area; Yes, however inkscape's blur isn't fit for such think (or I at least I don't know, how to do the blur only on out-looking side of an object). Can be removed later e.g. in gimp. And yes, it would probably be better smaller. > - how about little (but very little) transparency for the central (dark > blue) area? Interesting idea :) > - maybe the white area should not be so white (I didn't like the big > area in Avio either) Hm... another transparency? ;-) > > I think I'll play a bit in Inkscape with your SVG and post here if I > like what I get > Looking forward to it. Note that the background is however imported png, so it will probably not show when you open the svg. > > References: > > [1] http://mso.fedorapeople.org/gdm/ > > Martin -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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But instead of a solid white rectangle, use a big white rectangle with a rectangle cut from its middle, covering only the outside of the shadow... I was not very clear, look at my SVG >> I think I'll play a bit in Inkscape with your SVG and post here if I >> like what I get Here, bot PNG and SVG http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/gdm/ (the svg does not have the raster background) > Looking forward to it. Note that the background is however imported png, > so it will probably not show when you open the svg. Sure, I know how to deal with that. BTW, you know it is possible to embed the PNG inside the SVG? (but it will be base64 encoded, so the file size is very large) -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From martin.sourada at seznam.cz Tue Aug 28 13:24:53 2007 From: martin.sourada at seznam.cz (Martin Sourada) Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2007 15:24:53 +0200 Subject: Infinity GDM mockup In-Reply-To: <46D41F6A.7000005@nicubunu.ro> References: <1188303492.6360.4.camel@pc-notebook> <46D4155F.6080400@nicubunu.ro> <1188304878.6360.10.camel@pc-notebook> <46D41F6A.7000005@nicubunu.ro> Message-ID: <1188307493.6360.17.camel@pc-notebook> On Tue, 2007-08-28 at 15:13 +0200, Nicu Buculei wrote: > Martin Sourada wrote: > > On Tue, 2007-08-28 at 14:30 +0200, Nicu Buculei wrote: > >> - the drop shadow could be a little more discrete, not so large and > >> definitely it should not be visible under the transparent area; > > Yes, however inkscape's blur isn't fit for such think (or I at least I > > don't know, how to do the blur only on out-looking side of an object). > > Can be removed later e.g. in gimp. And yes, it would probably be better > > smaller. > > Use a mask. But instead of a solid white rectangle, use a big white > rectangle with a rectangle cut from its middle, covering only the > outside of the shadow... I was not very clear, look at my SVG > Thanks for the tip :) > >> I think I'll play a bit in Inkscape with your SVG and post here if I > >> like what I get > > Here, bot PNG and SVG http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/gdm/ (the svg does not > have the raster background) > > > Looking forward to it. Note that the background is however imported png, > > so it will probably not show when you open the svg. > > Sure, I know how to deal with that. BTW, you know it is possible to > embed the PNG inside the SVG? (but it will be base64 encoded, so the > file size is very large) > I didn't know that. But considering the size, it is probably better not having it embed. I like the bright borders you've chosen, but the buttons I prefer when they are in column. I played meanwhile with my version and put the result again on the same place [1]. Martin References: [1] http://mso.fedorapeople.org/gdm/ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Tue Aug 28 13:38:12 2007 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2007 16:38:12 +0300 Subject: Infinity GDM mockup In-Reply-To: <1188307493.6360.17.camel@pc-notebook> References: <1188303492.6360.4.camel@pc-notebook> <46D4155F.6080400@nicubunu.ro> <1188304878.6360.10.camel@pc-notebook> <46D41F6A.7000005@nicubunu.ro> <1188307493.6360.17.camel@pc-notebook> Message-ID: <46D42544.1010001@nicubunu.ro> Martin Sourada wrote: > > I like the bright borders you've chosen, but the buttons I prefer when > they are in column. I played meanwhile with my version and put the > result again on the same place [1]. I like in your second take the thiner borders. About my horizontal layout for buttons I have my own doubts (it work for English but in another languages the text may not fit the width) so maybe your vertical layout is better. -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From martin.sourada at seznam.cz Tue Aug 28 13:48:49 2007 From: martin.sourada at seznam.cz (Martin Sourada) Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2007 15:48:49 +0200 Subject: Infinity GDM mockup In-Reply-To: <46D42544.1010001@nicubunu.ro> References: <1188303492.6360.4.camel@pc-notebook> <46D4155F.6080400@nicubunu.ro> <1188304878.6360.10.camel@pc-notebook> <46D41F6A.7000005@nicubunu.ro> <1188307493.6360.17.camel@pc-notebook> <46D42544.1010001@nicubunu.ro> Message-ID: <1188308929.6360.20.camel@pc-notebook> On Tue, 2007-08-28 at 15:38 +0200, Nicu Buculei wrote: > I like in your second take the thiner borders. > Yeah, I noticed they seems too thick, so I made them thinner. > About my horizontal layout for buttons I have my own doubts (it work for > English but in another languages the text may not fit the width) so > maybe your vertical layout is better. > I made a third take. The most notable changes are usage of the mask in inkscape (but, even though I managed that it looks as desired, I am still quite unsure about how to use the mask...) and white borders. Again on the same place [1]. Martin References: [1] http://mso.fedorapeople.org/gdm/ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Note again, that the svg[2] version does not have embed the raster images - background, and user images in the facebrowser - so they will not be seen in it. Martin References: [1] http://mso.fedorapeople.org/gdm/gdm-infinity4b.png [2] http://mso.fedorapeople.org/gdm/gdm-infinity4b.svg -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From stevelist at silverorange.com Tue Aug 28 14:53:47 2007 From: stevelist at silverorange.com (Steven Garrity) Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2007 11:53:47 -0300 Subject: Infinity GDM mockup In-Reply-To: <1188311168.6360.26.camel@pc-notebook> References: <1188303492.6360.4.camel@pc-notebook> <46D4155F.6080400@nicubunu.ro> <1188304878.6360.10.camel@pc-notebook> <46D41F6A.7000005@nicubunu.ro> <1188307493.6360.17.camel@pc-notebook> <46D42544.1010001@nicubunu.ro> <1188308929.6360.20.camel@pc-notebook> <1188311168.6360.26.camel@pc-notebook> Message-ID: <46D436FB.20009@silverorange.com> This is looking good. I like the more subtle style and colors vs. the Fedora 7 theme. I do find that this login screen generally looks "big". The fonts are large, the icons are very large, and the border around the window is huge. I wonder if the screen might be improved by reducing the size of some of the elements and corner radii. I've done a *very rough* mockup that just takes the current version and shrinks down some of the elements, and tones down some of the shades a bit: http://actsofvolition.com/images/screenshots/fedora/gdm-infinity5.png Originals are in here: http://actsofvolition.com/images/screenshots/fedora/ Cheers, Steven Garrity Martin Sourada wrote: > I issued a version I am content enough with [1,2]. It again is inspired > by Nicu's changes (darker browser background, white text in the face > browser) and has still smaller text for date and button labels. > > Note again, that the svg[2] version does not have embed the raster > images - background, and user images in the facebrowser - so they will > not be seen in it. > > Martin > > References: > [1] http://mso.fedorapeople.org/gdm/gdm-infinity4b.png > [2] http://mso.fedorapeople.org/gdm/gdm-infinity4b.svg > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list From martin.sourada at seznam.cz Tue Aug 28 15:12:31 2007 From: martin.sourada at seznam.cz (Martin Sourada) Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2007 17:12:31 +0200 Subject: Infinity GDM mockup In-Reply-To: <46D436FB.20009@silverorange.com> References: <1188303492.6360.4.camel@pc-notebook> <46D4155F.6080400@nicubunu.ro> <1188304878.6360.10.camel@pc-notebook> <46D41F6A.7000005@nicubunu.ro> <1188307493.6360.17.camel@pc-notebook> <46D42544.1010001@nicubunu.ro> <1188308929.6360.20.camel@pc-notebook> <1188311168.6360.26.camel@pc-notebook> <46D436FB.20009@silverorange.com> Message-ID: <1188313951.6360.31.camel@pc-notebook> On Tue, 2007-08-28 at 16:53 +0200, Steven Garrity wrote: > This is looking good. I like the more subtle style and colors vs. the > Fedora 7 theme. > > I do find that this login screen generally looks "big". The fonts are > large, the icons are very large, and the border around the window is huge. > > I wonder if the screen might be improved by reducing the size of some of > the elements and corner radii. > > I've done a *very rough* mockup that just takes the current version and > shrinks down some of the elements, and tones down some of the shades a bit: > > http://actsofvolition.com/images/screenshots/fedora/gdm-infinity5.png > > Originals are in here: http://actsofvolition.com/images/screenshots/fedora/ > > Cheers, > Steven Garrity > I somehow like the thick borders more, it adds some space to it, but I agree it looks big. Don't know whether it is a problem, however. Also there is lot of empty space in your mockup (due to smaller icons). But I like the font colours you've chosen. It looks better than pure white. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From tw2113 at gmail.com Tue Aug 28 15:15:05 2007 From: tw2113 at gmail.com (Michael Beckwith) Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2007 10:15:05 -0500 Subject: F8 artwork update In-Reply-To: <46D3B300.1070402@redhat.com> References: <46D3B300.1070402@redhat.com> Message-ID: <9b437e950708280815m7aaa920ek4e7176927083783e@mail.gmail.com> I want the default Firefox theme. I should have it done before the due date for Test 3. On 8/28/07, M?ir??n Duffy wrote: > > Hey folks, > > So a little bit of news on the Fedora 8 artwork front. First, since we > had the most 'votes' on list for Infinity and since Ben simply ran out > of time this go-round [1], it seems to make sense to go with Infinity > especially since we are so short on time (tomorrow, er it's late... > today is the code freeze for F8 test 2.) > > We started working on getting artwork checked in for test 2. Tonight, > the firstboot banner & splash, the grub splash, and the new RHGB theme > got checked in. Tomorrow (er... later today lol) I'm going to work on > getting the wallpaper, syslinux, and anaconda artwork checked in. > > The only absolutely essential artwork we do not have checked in or ready > to check in for F8 test 2 is GDM. I'm not sure what to do about it; Avio > [2] looks nice - what do you think if we used that with a theme-specific > background? Does anybody have any other ideas for GDM? As an absolute > fallback we can go with the current one and simply replace the Flying > High background as Nicu suggested. It doesn't look bad, but I'd like to > see something different if we can do it. If anybody has a mockup I can > implement it so we're not bound to use something that's already been > implemented. > > Other stuff that's not super essential but nice-to-have and hopefully > we'll have ready for test 3: > > - gnome splash > - kde splash > - multi-colored multiple backgrounds for the time-of-day feature mclasen > mentioned earlier. (actually I have some prepared already so if I have > some time tomorrow I'll see if I can get any of those in) > > Beyond this, there's still a lot of work to do so if anyone is > interested in working on any of the following (or anything above for > that matter) please feel free to jump in! :) > > - Round 4: > default firefox theme - banner / layout - every time someone opens up > firefox in Fedora 8 they will see this page! > > default httpd 'welcome to your fedora webserver' page - every time > someone starts up a Fedora httpd webserver for the first time this will > be the page their system serves up. > > - Round 5: > F8 marketing materials discussion with fedora-marketing-list... come up > with a slogan for our new theme, and promotional graphic ideas, maybe > brainstorm what's needed for the promotional kit (see round 7) > > - Round 6: > finalize artwork/design for F8 DVD/CD labels and sleeves. These will be > printed up professionally and will be available at conferences likely > worldwide. They also may be used by magazines that distribute Fedora 8. > So if you want to learn about designing DVD/CD labels for professional > screenprinting (I'm thinking this time let's do something cool with > leaving parts of the design blank for the silver of the disc to show > through), or if you'd rather come up with a nice logo Fedora users > everywhere can print out on an inkjet printer, help out with this one :) > > - Round 7: > release promo kit with nicely-designed PDF release notes for handing out > at conferences, etc (good excuse to try out Scribus!!) > > - Round 8: finalize www.fedoraproject.org promotional materials for F8 > launch > > ~m > > [1] (Ben, we can resurrect Abstract for F9 if you want to propose it > again... and feel free to jump in on the other rounds for F8 if/when > you're less busy!) > > [2] http://gnome-look.org/content/show.php?content=37395 > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list > -- ~Michael http://ridleytx.structed.net (for now) http://www.michaelbox.net (eventually) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Luya From martin.sourada at seznam.cz Tue Aug 28 16:49:31 2007 From: martin.sourada at seznam.cz (Martin Sourada) Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2007 18:49:31 +0200 Subject: Infinity GDM mockup In-Reply-To: <46D45069.1070607@thefinalzone.com> References: <1188303492.6360.4.camel@pc-notebook> <46D4155F.6080400@nicubunu.ro> <1188304878.6360.10.camel@pc-notebook> <46D41F6A.7000005@nicubunu.ro> <1188307493.6360.17.camel@pc-notebook> <46D42544.1010001@nicubunu.ro> <1188308929.6360.20.camel@pc-notebook> <1188311168.6360.26.camel@pc-notebook> <46D436FB.20009@silverorange.com> <1188313951.6360.31.camel@pc-notebook> <46D45069.1070607@thefinalzone.com> Message-ID: <1188319771.26204.2.camel@pc-notebook> On Tue, 2007-08-28 at 18:42 +0200, Luya Tshimbalanga wrote: > Martin Sourada a ?crit : > > I agree it looks big. Don't know whether it is a problem, however. Also > > there is lot of empty space in your mockup (due to smaller icons). But I > > like the font colours you've chosen. It looks better than pure white. > > > > > How about hiding the username and only leave name? > > Luya > Good point. Seems reasonable to me. I would then use the bold font, now used for username, for name and the italic font, now used for name, for additional info (like that that user is already logged in). Martin -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Tue Aug 28 16:54:59 2007 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2007 22:24:59 +0530 Subject: Infinity GDM mockup In-Reply-To: <1188313951.6360.31.camel@pc-notebook> References: <1188303492.6360.4.camel@pc-notebook> <46D4155F.6080400@nicubunu.ro> <1188304878.6360.10.camel@pc-notebook> <46D41F6A.7000005@nicubunu.ro> <1188307493.6360.17.camel@pc-notebook> <46D42544.1010001@nicubunu.ro> <1188308929.6360.20.camel@pc-notebook> <1188311168.6360.26.camel@pc-notebook> <46D436FB.20009@silverorange.com> <1188313951.6360.31.camel@pc-notebook> Message-ID: <46D45363.8080901@fedoraproject.org> Martin Sourada wrote: > On Tue, 2007-08-28 at 16:53 +0200, Steven Garrity wrote: >> This is looking good. I like the more subtle style and colors vs. the >> Fedora 7 theme. >> >> I do find that this login screen generally looks "big". The fonts are >> large, the icons are very large, and the border around the window is huge. >> >> I wonder if the screen might be improved by reducing the size of some of >> the elements and corner radii. >> >> I've done a *very rough* mockup that just takes the current version and >> shrinks down some of the elements, and tones down some of the shades a bit: >> >> http://actsofvolition.com/images/screenshots/fedora/gdm-infinity5.png >> >> Originals are in here: http://actsofvolition.com/images/screenshots/fedora/ >> >> Cheers, >> Steven Garrity >> > > I somehow like the thick borders more, it adds some space to it, but I > agree it looks big. Don't know whether it is a problem, however. The smaller variant from Steven Garrity looks much more elegant than having everything look so huge. Rahul From martin.sourada at seznam.cz Tue Aug 28 17:14:40 2007 From: martin.sourada at seznam.cz (Martin Sourada) Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2007 19:14:40 +0200 Subject: Infinity GDM mockup In-Reply-To: <46D45363.8080901@fedoraproject.org> References: <1188303492.6360.4.camel@pc-notebook> <46D4155F.6080400@nicubunu.ro> <1188304878.6360.10.camel@pc-notebook> <46D41F6A.7000005@nicubunu.ro> <1188307493.6360.17.camel@pc-notebook> <46D42544.1010001@nicubunu.ro> <1188308929.6360.20.camel@pc-notebook> <1188311168.6360.26.camel@pc-notebook> <46D436FB.20009@silverorange.com> <1188313951.6360.31.camel@pc-notebook> <46D45363.8080901@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <1188321280.26204.9.camel@pc-notebook> On Tue, 2007-08-28 at 18:54 +0200, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > The smaller variant from Steven Garrity looks much more elegant than > having everything look so huge. > > Rahul > That's now three to one :) Seems I am the only one who likes the 'big' version more... Anyway, the final gdm theme will be done by Mo and she seems to like the thinner borders more (about icons we didn't talked). I am now content with my mockups [1] and everyone who thinks otherwise is welcome to tweak them to their liking. Thanks, Martin References: [1] http://mso.fedorapeople.org/gdm/gdm-infinity4c.png -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Anyway, the final gdm theme will be done by Mo and she > seems to like the thinner borders more (about icons we didn't talked). I > am now content with my mockups [1] and everyone who thinks otherwise is > welcome to tweak them to their liking. > > Thanks, > Martin > > References: > [1] http://mso.fedorapeople.org/gdm/gdm-infinity4c.png Well, never say never... As I looked at it transformed to smaller sizes in eog, I came to conclusion, that if I make the roundness of corners smaller, I could make the border thinner and would not loose anything I liked on the old mockups. Actually, I think it even looks better now. Take a look at my next (and probably the last) try [1]. The icons are 32x32 and two of them actually pngs, so in the svg, as they are not embed, will most likely not show (but can AFAIK, if you have gnome icon theme installed, I took them directly from there). Martin References: [1] http://mso.fedorapeople.org/gdm/gdm-infinity6.png -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From duffy at redhat.com Tue Aug 28 20:23:52 2007 From: duffy at redhat.com (=?UTF-8?B?TcOhaXLDrW4gRHVmZnk=?=) Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2007 16:23:52 -0400 Subject: animated backgrounds In-Reply-To: <1187294482.4992.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1187294482.4992.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <46D48458.8040208@redhat.com> Matthias Clasen wrote: > A while ago S?ren Sandmann did some work to support animated > backgrounds. The use case this feature was designed for is to > show pictures of the same scene (e.g. a city skyline) over the > course of the day (say, every 15 minutes), synchronized to the > current time. > > Unfortunately, we didn't ever get around to take such a photo > series. But it would be a shame to let this nice feature go > unused and eventually bitrot away, so I ported it to the new > appearance capplet last night, and I am sending out this email > in the hope that maybe some artists will find this interesting > enough to come up with some cool animated backgrounds. So I did a series of the infinity backgrounds, 24, 1 for each in the day to match the approximate sky coloring of that time of day. http://people.redhat.com/duffy/artwork/infinity-24/ All 24 PNGs: Each one is widescreen, 25600x1600 pixels which I think is the largest reasonably available resolution for widescreen ratio. :) I put together an xml file for the animation based on the format for gnome-desktop-2.19.90-4: http://people.redhat.com/duffy/artwork/infinity-24/00-fedora-infinity-background.xml I did each one using gradients and layer blending modes in the Gimp over top of the main background image. The source is here (warning: it's quite large): http://people.redhat.com/duffy/artwork/infinity-24/00-background.xcf From duffy at redhat.com Tue Aug 28 20:24:32 2007 From: duffy at redhat.com (=?UTF-8?B?TcOhaXLDrW4gRHVmZnk=?=) Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2007 16:24:32 -0400 Subject: animated backgrounds In-Reply-To: <46D48458.8040208@redhat.com> References: <1187294482.4992.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> <46D48458.8040208@redhat.com> Message-ID: <46D48480.9030502@redhat.com> M?ir?n Duffy wrote: > Matthias Clasen wrote: >> A while ago S?ren Sandmann did some work to support animated >> backgrounds. The use case this feature was designed for is to >> show pictures of the same scene (e.g. a city skyline) over the >> course of the day (say, every 15 minutes), synchronized to the current >> time. >> Unfortunately, we didn't ever get around to take such a photo series. >> But it would be a shame to let this nice feature go unused and >> eventually bitrot away, so I ported it to the new appearance capplet >> last night, and I am sending out this email in the hope that maybe >> some artists will find this interesting enough to come up with some >> cool animated backgrounds. > > So I did a series of the infinity backgrounds, 24, 1 for each in the day > to match the approximate sky coloring of that time of day. > > http://people.redhat.com/duffy/artwork/infinity-24/ > > All 24 PNGs: http://people.redhat.com/duffy/artwork/infinity-24/00-infinity24.tar.gz Sorry hit send before I was ready :) ~m From ben.arnold.inbox at gmail.com Tue Aug 28 21:31:15 2007 From: ben.arnold.inbox at gmail.com (Ben Arnold) Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2007 22:31:15 +0100 Subject: animated backgrounds In-Reply-To: <46D48480.9030502@redhat.com> References: <1187294482.4992.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> <46D48458.8040208@redhat.com> <46D48480.9030502@redhat.com> Message-ID: <9c3bfa1d0708281431l67ec5b11ib6ebb34414cbd32d@mail.gmail.com> On 28/08/07, M?ir?n Duffy wrote: > http://people.redhat.com/duffy/artwork/infinity-24/00-infinity24.tar.gz Great work - officialy impressed! Is it possible to create some kind of settings to show these in KDE? In the Kontrol Center, there is an option to add a selection of images and slideshow them randomly or in sequence: I wonder if it is easy to default it to use the 24 images by 1 hour delay in order? Might be a nice touch to get it away from a usual default and would enhance the continuity of the desktops. ./b -- | ..// seawolf //.. | | Ben Arnold | | e-mail / msn / icq / web | | http://clik.to/seawolfsanctuary | | ben.arnold.inbox (at) gmail.com | | iamseawolf (at) gmail (dot) com | | GnuPG Available - ask me! | From mclasen at redhat.com Wed Aug 29 02:51:06 2007 From: mclasen at redhat.com (Matthias Clasen) Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2007 22:51:06 -0400 Subject: animated backgrounds In-Reply-To: <46D48458.8040208@redhat.com> References: <1187294482.4992.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> <46D48458.8040208@redhat.com> Message-ID: <1188355867.4653.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Tue, 2007-08-28 at 16:23 -0400, M?ir?n Duffy wrote: > I put together an xml file for the animation based on the format for > gnome-desktop-2.19.90-4: > > http://people.redhat.com/duffy/artwork/infinity-24/00-fedora-infinity-background.xml Nice. But I think you want a) the starttime to be midnight and b) the durations of the static images to be 2700 and the transitions to be 900, so that it actually sums up to 24 hours. > I did each one using gradients and layer blending modes in the Gimp over > top of the main background image. The source is here (warning: it's > quite large): > > http://people.redhat.com/duffy/artwork/infinity-24/00-background.xcf > Unfortunately, there is very noticeable banding in the images. From duffy at redhat.com Wed Aug 29 03:50:41 2007 From: duffy at redhat.com (=?UTF-8?B?TcOhaXLDrcKtbiBEdWZmeQ==?=) Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2007 23:50:41 -0400 Subject: animated backgrounds In-Reply-To: <1188355867.4653.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1187294482.4992.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> <46D48458.8040208@redhat.com> <1188355867.4653.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <46D4ED11.7090607@redhat.com> Hi Matthias! Matthias Clasen wrote: > On Tue, 2007-08-28 at 16:23 -0400, M?ir?n Duffy wrote: >> I put together an xml file for the animation based on the format for >> gnome-desktop-2.19.90-4: >> >> http://people.redhat.com/duffy/artwork/infinity-24/00-fedora-infinity-background.xml > > Nice. But I think you want a) the starttime to be midnight and b) the > durations of the static images to be 2700 and the transitions to be 900, > so that it actually sums up to 24 hours. Yeh, I screwed it up. I wasn't sure what exactly the relationships of the numbers were and I didn't realize until I already built the package. To be midnight the starttime's hour would have to be 0, so 12 is actually 12 pm? Does it matter what year-month-date is there? > >> I did each one using gradients and layer blending modes in the Gimp over >> top of the main background image. The source is here (warning: it's >> quite large): >> >> http://people.redhat.com/duffy/artwork/infinity-24/00-background.xcf >> > > Unfortunately, there is very noticeable banding in the images. Yeh. Because it's a significant amount of effort to produce them (this set took over 4 hours of manual tweaking), I figured these are a good first cut to make sure the colors work out and to get more eyes on the background transition stuff. In time for test 3, I can go in layer-by-layer (because each image is actually an alpha-gradient adjustment layer over the original artwork in a gimp file) and manually smooth each gradient. I thought that would be a significant amount of time and effort to do when I wasn't sure I picked the right colors and I really wanted something in test 2... does that make sense? (I already ended up changing colors a few times to make the transitions more smooth / colors more natural when I showed this around to people, and I expect to get more feedback once more people try them out. I hope this was an ok approach?) ~m From mclasen at redhat.com Wed Aug 29 04:01:45 2007 From: mclasen at redhat.com (Matthias Clasen) Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2007 00:01:45 -0400 Subject: animated backgrounds In-Reply-To: <46D4ED11.7090607@redhat.com> References: <1187294482.4992.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> <46D48458.8040208@redhat.com> <1188355867.4653.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> <46D4ED11.7090607@redhat.com> Message-ID: <1188360105.4653.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Tue, 2007-08-28 at 23:50 -0400, M?ir??n Duffy wrote: > Hi Matthias! > > Matthias Clasen wrote: > > On Tue, 2007-08-28 at 16:23 -0400, M?ir?n Duffy wrote: > >> I put together an xml file for the animation based on the format for > >> gnome-desktop-2.19.90-4: > >> > >> http://people.redhat.com/duffy/artwork/infinity-24/00-fedora-infinity-background.xml > > > > Nice. But I think you want a) the starttime to be midnight and b) the > > durations of the static images to be 2700 and the transitions to be 900, > > so that it actually sums up to 24 hours. > > Yeh, I screwed it up. I wasn't sure what exactly the relationships of > the numbers were and I didn't realize until I already built the package. > To be midnight the starttime's hour would have to be 0, so 12 is > actually 12 pm? Yeah, the man page says: tm_hour The number of hours past midnight, in the range 0 to 23. > Does it matter what year-month-date is there? If your animation fills exactly 24 hours, it should not, unless you care about leap seconds... > > > >> I did each one using gradients and layer blending modes in the Gimp over > >> top of the main background image. The source is here (warning: it's > >> quite large): > >> > >> http://people.redhat.com/duffy/artwork/infinity-24/00-background.xcf > >> > > > > Unfortunately, there is very noticeable banding in the images. > > Yeh. Because it's a significant amount of effort to produce them (this > set took over 4 hours of manual tweaking), I figured these are a good > first cut to make sure the colors work out and to get more eyes on the > background transition stuff. In time for test 3, I can go in > layer-by-layer (because each image is actually an alpha-gradient > adjustment layer over the original artwork in a gimp file) and manually > smooth each gradient. I thought that would be a significant amount of > time and effort to do when I wasn't sure I picked the right colors and I > really wanted something in test 2... does that make sense? Sure, makes sense. From duffy at redhat.com Wed Aug 29 04:09:16 2007 From: duffy at redhat.com (=?UTF-8?B?TcOhaXLDrcKtbiBEdWZmeQ==?=) Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2007 00:09:16 -0400 Subject: animated backgrounds In-Reply-To: <1188360105.4653.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1187294482.4992.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> <46D48458.8040208@redhat.com> <1188355867.4653.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> <46D4ED11.7090607@redhat.com> <1188360105.4653.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <46D4F16C.8050306@redhat.com> Matthias Clasen wrote: > Yeah, the man page says: > > tm_hour > The number of hours past midnight, in the range 0 to 23. Oh I didn't know there was one! What's the name of the man page? (It would be good to have some artist-friendly documentation of how to do this in the wiki since I think it's going to get a lot of people excited.) ~m From mclasen at redhat.com Wed Aug 29 04:25:01 2007 From: mclasen at redhat.com (Matthias Clasen) Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2007 00:25:01 -0400 Subject: animated backgrounds In-Reply-To: <46D4F16C.8050306@redhat.com> References: <1187294482.4992.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> <46D48458.8040208@redhat.com> <1188355867.4653.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> <46D4ED11.7090607@redhat.com> <1188360105.4653.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> <46D4F16C.8050306@redhat.com> Message-ID: <1188361501.4653.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Wed, 2007-08-29 at 00:09 -0400, M?ir??n Duffy wrote: > Matthias Clasen wrote: > > Yeah, the man page says: > > > > tm_hour > > The number of hours past midnight, in the range 0 to 23. > > Oh I didn't know there was one! What's the name of the man page? (It > would be good to have some artist-friendly documentation of how to do > this in the wiki since I think it's going to get a lot of people excited.) > Unfortunately, there is no such documentation (yet). I was citing man gmtime()... From charles at vinchon.fr Tue Aug 28 12:40:27 2007 From: charles at vinchon.fr (Charles Vinchon) Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2007 14:40:27 +0200 Subject: Infinity GDM mockup In-Reply-To: <1188303492.6360.4.camel@pc-notebook> References: <1188303492.6360.4.camel@pc-notebook> Message-ID: <1188304827.2747.11.camel@portable> Le mardi 28 ao?t 2007 ? 14:18 +0200, Martin Sourada a ?crit : > Hi, > > I created a gmd mockups for the infinity theme. It's based on the Avio > style you talked about, but it has fewer buttons and it is coloured > according to infinity wallpaper. I created widescreen mockup, but on 4:3 > it will be similar. Any comments? Oh, and the used icons are from Gnome > theme (as Mist derives those). > > Martin The white background is too light/shiny. It could make less contrast with other graphic elements (borders, background). Charles From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Wed Aug 29 05:48:38 2007 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2007 08:48:38 +0300 Subject: animated backgrounds In-Reply-To: <46D48458.8040208@redhat.com> References: <1187294482.4992.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> <46D48458.8040208@redhat.com> Message-ID: <46D508B6.60402@nicubunu.ro> M?ir?n Duffy wrote: > > So I did a series of the infinity backgrounds, 24, 1 for each in the day > to match the approximate sky coloring of that time of day. > > http://people.redhat.com/duffy/artwork/infinity-24/ > > All 24 PNGs: I think you can get away with a change every 3 or 4 hours, not hourly, is a lot less work for you and you can't precisely match the sky color anyway, for example at 5pm the sky color is *completely different* in June and December. -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From martin.sourada at seznam.cz Wed Aug 29 07:57:45 2007 From: martin.sourada at seznam.cz (Martin Sourada) Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2007 09:57:45 +0200 Subject: animated backgrounds In-Reply-To: <1188355867.4653.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1187294482.4992.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> <46D48458.8040208@redhat.com> <1188355867.4653.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1188374265.15079.5.camel@pc-notebook> On Wed, 2007-08-29 at 04:51 +0200, Matthias Clasen wrote: > On Tue, 2007-08-28 at 16:23 -0400, M?ir?n Duffy wrote: > > I put together an xml file for the animation based on the format for > > gnome-desktop-2.19.90-4: > > > > http://people.redhat.com/duffy/artwork/infinity-24/00-fedora-infinity-background.xml > > Nice. But I think you want a) the starttime to be midnight and b) the > durations of the static images to be 2700 and the transitions to be 900, > so that it actually sums up to 24 hours. > Matthias, how often the image is changed then? With the original version, where Luya had the transitions set to 5.0 and still images to 1.0 it ate a lot of CPU cycles (during the transition it was even on 100 %), so when changing it to rotate accordingly to hours I set 2595 for still images and 5 for transitions. It should sum 24 hours, but it seems precisely one day (i.e. 24 hours) after the set start time it changed with 10 minutes or so delay. I am now waiting for next whole hour to see, how's it now (approximately 34 hours after start time). And btw. the change that enables timezones actually works (I tried it soon after the rpm was built, what a coincidence) :) Martin -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I am now making some changes to the wallpapers Mo created. I picked what I thought best for 00am, 04am, 06am, 09am, 00pm, 03pm, 06pm and 09pm (i.e. 00am midnight, 06am dawn, 00pm noon, 06pm dusk and the rest is somewhere in between) and am doing now the hours between by transitioning them in gimp - I think it is good to have one wallpaper per hour, but as a start what you suggested seems enough, but making the transitions in gimp is less CPU intensive than letting the gnome do it for you. Regarding the seasons, I though it would be great if there was a feature to add subsets to the transitions - i.e. we would have one 'wallpaper' staying for e.g. 3 months, but it would not be one picture, but another slideshow with one picture per hour. In code it could look like this: 3 3595 /usr/share/backgrounds/fedora-infinity/spring-am00.png 5 /usr/share/backgrounds/fedora-infinity/spring-am00.png /usr/share/backgrounds/fedora-infinity/spring-am01.png 3595 /usr/share/backgrounds/fedora-infinity/spring-am01.png 5 /usr/share/backgrounds/fedora-infinity/spring-am01.png /usr/share/backgrounds/fedora-infinity/spring-am02.png ... 3 ... While it does make sense in providing thus greater configurability and ability to change the wallpapers not only by hours but also by season it would be probably harder to implement. Mathias, what do you think about it? Martin -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I picked what I thought best for 00am, 04am, > 06am, 09am, 00pm, 03pm, 06pm and 09pm (i.e. 00am midnight, 06am dawn, > 00pm noon, 06pm dusk and the rest is somewhere in between) and am doing > now the hours between by transitioning them in gimp - I think it is good > to have one wallpaper per hour, but as a start what you suggested seems > enough, but making the transitions in gimp is less CPU intensive than > letting the gnome do it for you. Well, I am not that thrilled about the background reflecting the color ot the sky and changing it often, but I have a related long-term idea: if/when we will have a mascot, have the wallpaper showing the mascot in some action reflecting the current time: at night he will sleep (or will be very tired, with big, red eyes), at lunch time he will be eating, in the morning be upset for having to wake-up and so on (that would look marvelous with a cron-like config, to keep track of week days, alternate schedule for week-ends etc.) Absolute crack: it may take the date from something like the about-me applet and show something special on your birth day. -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From martin.sourada at seznam.cz Wed Aug 29 11:49:26 2007 From: martin.sourada at seznam.cz (Martin Sourada) Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2007 13:49:26 +0200 Subject: animated backgrounds In-Reply-To: <46D544C5.7020206@nicubunu.ro> References: <1187294482.4992.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> <46D48458.8040208@redhat.com> <46D508B6.60402@nicubunu.ro> <1188379712.15079.26.camel@pc-notebook> <46D544C5.7020206@nicubunu.ro> Message-ID: <1188388166.15079.34.camel@pc-notebook> On Wed, 2007-08-29 at 12:04 +0200, Nicu Buculei wrote: > Well, I am not that thrilled about the background reflecting the color > ot the sky and changing it often, but I have a related long-term idea: > if/when we will have a mascot, have the wallpaper showing the mascot in > some action reflecting the current time: at night he will sleep (or will > be very tired, with big, red eyes), at lunch time he will be eating, in > the morning be upset for having to wake-up and so on (that would look > marvelous with a cron-like config, to keep track of week days, alternate > schedule for week-ends etc.) > > Absolute crack: it may take the date from something like the about-me > applet and show something special on your birth day. > Well, from my point of view, it makes sense to highlight four basic daytimes - midnight, dawn, noon, dusk. That's four pictures, but if you left it to that then the background would change too much in every 6 hours, you can then either make longer transition phases in the background definition, but it eats a lot of cpu cycles, or made the transitions manually in gimp, for one hour one picture, which is more work and more disk space, but the result is IMHO the best. As I noted in my previous e-mail I tried to do something like that, based on Mo's wallpapers. The result is now finished [1]. I however not leave it there forever as it needs a lot of space, so when we replace it with something better, or include in fedora, I'll remove it. Your idea with the mascots and birthdays is great! Now we only need two things: the mascot and the ability to choose special sequence on the background based on user personal data... Martin References: [1] http://mso.fedorapeople.org/wallpapers/infinity24.tar.gz -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Be sure to post screen-shots somewhere, or something, when you are done and add yourself to the gitnodoka group at your fedora account so that you will have write access [1] to the git repo [2]. If you have questions about the git usage or the current administration of nodoka generally, just ask me :) Just in case you didn't noticed, the nodoka homepage is now at hosted [3]. Martin References: [1] ssh://git.fedoraproject.org/git/hosted/nodoka [2] git://git.fedoraproject.org/git/hosted/nodoka [3] https://hosted.fedoraproject.org/projects/nodoka/wiki > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Pinpoint customers who are looking for what you sell. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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About the GDM theme. that one doesn't fit with the current boot theme. try to make that in the same style but i believe that's also being discussed in another artwork thread. Wonderful work so far. Mark. From markg85 at gmail.com Thu Aug 30 18:25:40 2007 From: markg85 at gmail.com (Mark) Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2007 20:25:40 +0200 Subject: animated backgrounds In-Reply-To: <1188388166.15079.34.camel@pc-notebook> References: <1187294482.4992.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> <46D48458.8040208@redhat.com> <46D508B6.60402@nicubunu.ro> <1188379712.15079.26.camel@pc-notebook> <46D544C5.7020206@nicubunu.ro> <1188388166.15079.34.camel@pc-notebook> Message-ID: <6e24a8e80708301125x283f5110g51ec6fc2806f68c2@mail.gmail.com> Hey, I like this idea a lot but have a question about the current usage as well. Currently you seem to use png images and 24 for one day. isn't it better to make 1 SVG file and change the gradient settings in the svg through a (xml? or script?) file? than you only have one image and is flexible for people that want to adjust it. perhaps also better for the CPU cycles? Seasonal changes would be funny as well 1 Summer - add beaches? 2 Fall - add falling leafes 3 Winter - add snow 4 Spring - add starting flowers But that's gonna be a whole desktop animation program ^_^ From markg85 at gmail.com Fri Aug 31 00:06:41 2007 From: markg85 at gmail.com (Mark) Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2007 02:06:41 +0200 Subject: Fedora Infinity Update In-Reply-To: <6e24a8e80708300917l6eb11f8cvdcadd93c4df72f61@mail.gmail.com> References: <46BFFB1F.1060300@redhat.com> <46C29609.1070001@nicubunu.ro> <6e24a8e80708300917l6eb11f8cvdcadd93c4df72f61@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <6e24a8e80708301706n25b82922pb808992eb6a758af@mail.gmail.com> And a idea for the boot theme as well as GDM and the desktop background. Why not set the same background image everywhere? that gives fedora a nice uniform look. and with everywhere i mean the boot progress (RHGB) background as well!! not just one default color. Than use the main-logo.png image for the login screen to get that uniform as well and than fedora 8 will really be the nicest release to date!! I would like to make this in Fedora if i knew the c language.. it can't be very difficult. It would also cool to animate those little start in the wallpaper.. and those stripes.. From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Fri Aug 31 05:50:03 2007 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2007 08:50:03 +0300 Subject: Fedora Infinity Update In-Reply-To: <6e24a8e80708301706n25b82922pb808992eb6a758af@mail.gmail.com> References: <46BFFB1F.1060300@redhat.com> <46C29609.1070001@nicubunu.ro> <6e24a8e80708300917l6eb11f8cvdcadd93c4df72f61@mail.gmail.com> <6e24a8e80708301706n25b82922pb808992eb6a758af@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <46D7AC0B.4020300@nicubunu.ro> Mark wrote: > And a idea for the boot theme as well as GDM and the desktop background. > Why not set the same background image everywhere? that gives fedora a > nice uniform look. and with everywhere i mean the boot progress (RHGB) > background as well!! not just one default color. Than use the > main-logo.png image for the login screen to get that uniform as well > and than fedora 8 will really be the nicest release to date!! I don't think RHGB is technically able to use a PNG as background, only a solid color, and with it going to die anyway (hopefully in F9), there is little reason to patch, otherwise, indeed, RHGB would look better with a textured background. -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From nicolas.mailhot at laposte.net Tue Aug 28 19:16:11 2007 From: nicolas.mailhot at laposte.net (Nicolas Mailhot) Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2007 21:16:11 +0200 Subject: Infinity GDM mockup In-Reply-To: <1188319771.26204.2.camel@pc-notebook> References: <1188303492.6360.4.camel@pc-notebook> <46D4155F.6080400@nicubunu.ro> <1188304878.6360.10.camel@pc-notebook> <46D41F6A.7000005@nicubunu.ro> <1188307493.6360.17.camel@pc-notebook> <46D42544.1010001@nicubunu.ro> <1188308929.6360.20.camel@pc-notebook> <1188311168.6360.26.camel@pc-notebook> <46D436FB.20009@silverorange.com> <1188313951.6360.31.camel@pc-notebook> <46D45069.1070607@thefinalzone.com> <1188319771.26204.2.camel@pc-notebook> Message-ID: <1188328571.15891.1.camel@rousalka.dyndns.org> Le mardi 28 ao?t 2007 ? 18:49 +0200, Martin Sourada a ?crit : > On Tue, 2007-08-28 at 18:42 +0200, Luya Tshimbalanga wrote: > > Martin Sourada a ?crit : > > > I agree it looks big. Don't know whether it is a problem, however. Also > > > there is lot of empty space in your mockup (due to smaller icons). But I > > > like the font colours you've chosen. It looks better than pure white. > > > > > > > > How about hiding the username and only leave name? > > > > Luya > > > > Good point. Seems reasonable to me. I would then use the bold font, now > used for username, for name and the italic font, now used for name, for > additional info (like that that user is already logged in). Are we 100% sure very user on the system will have a meaningful name ? username will always exist -- Nicolas Mailhot -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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And i looked over the c coding of splash.c and it can't be hard to patch it to use a image instead.. but a harder thing might be that the background needs to fit the screen so you need to check and see if the screen is widescreen or not and if it is place the background on that belongs with it. and for: "I don't think RHGB is technically able to use a PNG as background" not completely true.. if you look at splash.c you will notice that it's just gtk stuff that's being displayed as boot stuff.. so technically you can do anything in the background image.. it only requires patches From markg85 at gmail.com Fri Aug 31 12:33:20 2007 From: markg85 at gmail.com (Mark) Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2007 14:33:20 +0200 Subject: Infinity GDM mockup In-Reply-To: <1188328571.15891.1.camel@rousalka.dyndns.org> References: <1188303492.6360.4.camel@pc-notebook> <1188307493.6360.17.camel@pc-notebook> <46D42544.1010001@nicubunu.ro> <1188308929.6360.20.camel@pc-notebook> <1188311168.6360.26.camel@pc-notebook> <46D436FB.20009@silverorange.com> <1188313951.6360.31.camel@pc-notebook> <46D45069.1070607@thefinalzone.com> <1188319771.26204.2.camel@pc-notebook> <1188328571.15891.1.camel@rousalka.dyndns.org> Message-ID: <6e24a8e80708310533o7a9e74f3wf4eab7bb3ca1e2de@mail.gmail.com> An idea (posted in another thread as well) wouldn't it be better to use the rhgb image in GDM as well? it will give fedora a nice uniform look. A few suggestions for this infinity GDM mockup: 1. make the black shadow smaller 2. add fading lines between users (?) 3. add a glow in the users background part (that looks to boring now) or add some of those little stars that are in the background (upper right corner) as well From martin.sourada at seznam.cz Fri Aug 31 12:59:09 2007 From: martin.sourada at seznam.cz (Martin Sourada) Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2007 14:59:09 +0200 Subject: Infinity GDM mockup In-Reply-To: <6e24a8e80708310533o7a9e74f3wf4eab7bb3ca1e2de@mail.gmail.com> References: <1188303492.6360.4.camel@pc-notebook> <1188307493.6360.17.camel@pc-notebook> <46D42544.1010001@nicubunu.ro> <1188308929.6360.20.camel@pc-notebook> <1188311168.6360.26.camel@pc-notebook> <46D436FB.20009@silverorange.com> <1188313951.6360.31.camel@pc-notebook> <46D45069.1070607@thefinalzone.com> <1188319771.26204.2.camel@pc-notebook> <1188328571.15891.1.camel@rousalka.dyndns.org> <6e24a8e80708310533o7a9e74f3wf4eab7bb3ca1e2de@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1188565149.3097.20.camel@pc-notebook> On Fri, 2007-08-31 at 14:33 +0200, Mark wrote: > An idea (posted in another thread as well) wouldn't it be better to > use the rhgb image in GDM as well? it will give fedora a nice uniform > look. > Uniform look does not necessarily mean that you will have everything same... The rhgb image IMHO would not work for GDM and vice versa. > A few suggestions for this infinity GDM mockup: > 1. make the black shadow smaller The shadow could be more transparent... But actually its not black ;-) > 2. add fading lines between users (?) Now I don't think I understand what you exactly mean by that. > 3. add a glow in the users background part (that looks to boring now) Sometimes simple look is better than glows everywhere, but it can maybe work there, depends on how it is done... > or add some of those little stars that are in the background (upper > right corner) as well > IMHO not. That's too distracting. Feel free to add your mockups, it's actually easy to edit them in inkscape. All sources are freely available, the svgs for the mockups are in the same folder [1] as pngs, the icons used are from the gnome icon set (fedora uses mist as default which inherits these from gnome; you'll have it probably installed) the background is from Infinity Round3 final page [2] and the pictures in the facebrowser are in /usr/share/pixmaps/faces. Martin References: [1] http://mso.fedorapeople.org/gdm/ [2] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/F8Themes/Infinity/Round3Final -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Fri Aug 31 13:44:55 2007 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2007 16:44:55 +0300 Subject: Infinity GDM mockup In-Reply-To: <6e24a8e80708310533o7a9e74f3wf4eab7bb3ca1e2de@mail.gmail.com> References: <1188303492.6360.4.camel@pc-notebook> <1188307493.6360.17.camel@pc-notebook> <46D42544.1010001@nicubunu.ro> <1188308929.6360.20.camel@pc-notebook> <1188311168.6360.26.camel@pc-notebook> <46D436FB.20009@silverorange.com> <1188313951.6360.31.camel@pc-notebook> <46D45069.1070607@thefinalzone.com> <1188319771.26204.2.camel@pc-notebook> <1188328571.15891.1.camel@rousalka.dyndns.org> <6e24a8e80708310533o7a9e74f3wf4eab7bb3ca1e2de@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <46D81B57.1060405@nicubunu.ro> Mark wrote: > > A few suggestions for this infinity GDM mockup: > 1. make the black shadow smaller Yeah, probably... or make the entire dialog smaller and the shadow will be proportionally smaller > 2. add fading lines between users (?) Is this technically possible? > 3. add a glow in the users background part (that looks to boring now) > or add some of those little stars that are in the background (upper > right corner) as well This is why I insisted for transparency all around, to get a bit of texture from the background. BUT we still have time? We are past the feature freeze and string freeze... -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Fri Aug 31 13:48:28 2007 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2007 16:48:28 +0300 Subject: Fedora Infinity Update In-Reply-To: <6e24a8e80708310526u4b2a1f3fg1ee7baf33afa2eb3@mail.gmail.com> References: <46BFFB1F.1060300@redhat.com> <46C29609.1070001@nicubunu.ro> <6e24a8e80708300917l6eb11f8cvdcadd93c4df72f61@mail.gmail.com> <6e24a8e80708301706n25b82922pb808992eb6a758af@mail.gmail.com> <46D7AC0B.4020300@nicubunu.ro> <6e24a8e80708310526u4b2a1f3fg1ee7baf33afa2eb3@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <46D81C2C.7080505@nicubunu.ro> Mark wrote: > > Well i'm not counting on it to leave for F9.. > And i looked over the c coding of splash.c and it can't be hard to > patch it to use a image instead.. but a harder thing might be that the > background needs to fit the screen so you need to check and see if the > screen is widescreen or not and if it is place the background on that > belongs with it. OK, then is out from Art hands and have to be asked on either desktop or devel it such a patch would be accepted. If the patch is accepted, we already have the background PNG. -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Fri Aug 31 13:52:07 2007 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2007 16:52:07 +0300 Subject: Infinity GDM mockup In-Reply-To: <46D81B57.1060405@nicubunu.ro> References: <1188303492.6360.4.camel@pc-notebook> <1188307493.6360.17.camel@pc-notebook> <46D42544.1010001@nicubunu.ro> <1188308929.6360.20.camel@pc-notebook> <1188311168.6360.26.camel@pc-notebook> <46D436FB.20009@silverorange.com> <1188313951.6360.31.camel@pc-notebook> <46D45069.1070607@thefinalzone.com> <1188319771.26204.2.camel@pc-notebook> <1188328571.15891.1.camel@rousalka.dyndns.org> <6e24a8e80708310533o7a9e74f3wf4eab7bb3ca1e2de@mail.gmail.com> <46D81B57.1060405@nicubunu.ro> Message-ID: <46D81D07.4090503@nicubunu.ro> Nicu Buculei wrote: > Mark wrote: >> >> A few suggestions for this infinity GDM mockup: > >> 2. add fading lines between users (?) > > Is this technically possible? I ask this because I don't know the limits of GDM, otherwise a lot of possibilities can be imagined, like having a different background for odd and even rows (like 66% transparent white and respectively 75% transparent white) -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Fri Aug 31 16:35:04 2007 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2007 22:05:04 +0530 Subject: [Fwd: Fedora Infinity =?utf-8?q?=C2=B7_Re=3A_rawhide_report=3A_20?= =?utf-8?q?070830_changes=5D?= Message-ID: <46D84338.7070207@fedoraproject.org> An embedded message was scrubbed... From: Michael Schwendt Subject: Fedora Infinity ? Re: rawhide report: 20070830 changes Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2007 01:39:32 +0200 Size: 4842 URL: From duffy at redhat.com Fri Aug 31 17:04:52 2007 From: duffy at redhat.com (=?UTF-8?B?TcOhaXLDrW4gRHVmZnk=?=) Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2007 13:04:52 -0400 Subject: [Fwd: Fedora Infinity =?utf-8?q?=C2=B7_Re=3A_rawhide_report?= =?utf-8?q?=3A_20070830_changes=5D?= In-Reply-To: <46D84338.7070207@fedoraproject.org> References: <46D84338.7070207@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <46D84A34.708@redhat.com> Rahul Sundaram wrote: > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: > Fedora Infinity ? Re: rawhide report: 20070830 changes > From: > Michael Schwendt > Date: > Fri, 31 Aug 2007 01:39:32 +0200 > To: > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > > To: > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > > > On Thu, 30 Aug 2007 08:47:18 -0400, Build System wrote: > >> desktop-backgrounds-7.92-1 >> -------------------------- >> * Tue Aug 28 2007 M?ir?n Duffy - 7.92-1 >> - Add Infinity background > > :-( First this update resulted in a totally white background. > Hopefully not the case when upgrading from F7. Then I entered the > appearance prefs to choose the new Fedora Infinity background. Some > time later it turned out that Nautilus gets very active every 2 secs > for a longer time, loading infinity background related files again and > again, which made find out it's some sort of animated desktop > background. Overhead. Complete overhead. I'm going back to a copy of > F7's background or a custom one. Saw this, replied to it last night. ~m From jonathan.roberts.uk at googlemail.com Fri Aug 31 18:01:21 2007 From: jonathan.roberts.uk at googlemail.com (Jonathan Roberts) Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2007 19:01:21 +0100 Subject: Icon howto? Message-ID: <3263b11b0708311101r5da2b6cdq371e1b3e5f81cc18@mail.gmail.com> Hi all, I was wondering if somebody could advise me of a tutorial on how to create icons (file formats, names etc), and how to install them somewhere that I can test them? Not much of an artist myself, but I was inspired by the recent idea of simple black and white icons for small sizes so might have a crack at something along those lines... Jon From jonathan.roberts.uk at googlemail.com Fri Aug 31 21:24:59 2007 From: jonathan.roberts.uk at googlemail.com (Jonathan Roberts) Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2007 22:24:59 +0100 Subject: Icon feedback WAS Icon howto? Message-ID: <3263b11b0708311424m63b0e1eeuf89ff89fd3b1908c@mail.gmail.com> Well, I've created some icons in the style that I had in mind, so in case any body has any interest in seeing what I've done I've uploaded them to Flickr: http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1086/1288722576_adf5e6330e_o.png Only got it working on Pidgin right now, and obviously there aren't very many there, but feedback would be welcome :D I think they suffer a bit from my complete lack of experience! Jon From markg85 at gmail.com Fri Aug 31 22:29:04 2007 From: markg85 at gmail.com (Mark) Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2007 00:29:04 +0200 Subject: Fedora Infinity Update In-Reply-To: <46D81C2C.7080505@nicubunu.ro> References: <46BFFB1F.1060300@redhat.com> <46C29609.1070001@nicubunu.ro> <6e24a8e80708300917l6eb11f8cvdcadd93c4df72f61@mail.gmail.com> <6e24a8e80708301706n25b82922pb808992eb6a758af@mail.gmail.com> <46D7AC0B.4020300@nicubunu.ro> <6e24a8e80708310526u4b2a1f3fg1ee7baf33afa2eb3@mail.gmail.com> <46D81C2C.7080505@nicubunu.ro> Message-ID: <6e24a8e80708311529wa92d7f5n5c3bfe46a91f9e35@mail.gmail.com> > OK, then is out from Art hands and have to be asked on either desktop or > devel it such a patch would be accepted. If the patch is accepted, we > already have the background PNG. forwarded to devel From markg85 at gmail.com Fri Aug 31 22:35:10 2007 From: markg85 at gmail.com (Mark) Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2007 00:35:10 +0200 Subject: Infinity GDM mockup In-Reply-To: <46D81D07.4090503@nicubunu.ro> References: <1188303492.6360.4.camel@pc-notebook> <1188311168.6360.26.camel@pc-notebook> <46D436FB.20009@silverorange.com> <1188313951.6360.31.camel@pc-notebook> <46D45069.1070607@thefinalzone.com> <1188319771.26204.2.camel@pc-notebook> <1188328571.15891.1.camel@rousalka.dyndns.org> <6e24a8e80708310533o7a9e74f3wf4eab7bb3ca1e2de@mail.gmail.com> <46D81B57.1060405@nicubunu.ro> <46D81D07.4090503@nicubunu.ro> Message-ID: <6e24a8e80708311535y45f097a0j3955209bf28c4b53@mail.gmail.com> > >> 2. add fading lines between users (?) > > > > Is this technically possible? > > I ask this because I don't know the limits of GDM, otherwise a lot of > possibilities can be imagined, like having a different background for > odd and even rows (like 66% transparent white and respectively 75% > transparent white) Sorry, i said it wrong. i meant a plain line which ends with some transparency.. kinda hard to explain i mean something like this: http://www.itgsltd.com/img/masthead_fading_line3.gif or http://www.quantumsys.net/qis2006/images/fading_line_v3.jpg Nothing coding wise ^_^ Mark. From martin.sourada at seznam.cz Fri Aug 31 22:45:19 2007 From: martin.sourada at seznam.cz (Martin Sourada) Date: Sat, 01 Sep 2007 00:45:19 +0200 Subject: Icon howto? In-Reply-To: <3263b11b0708311101r5da2b6cdq371e1b3e5f81cc18@mail.gmail.com> References: <3263b11b0708311101r5da2b6cdq371e1b3e5f81cc18@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1188600319.2954.31.camel@pc-notebook> On Fri, 2007-08-31 at 20:01 +0200, Jonathan Roberts wrote: > Hi all, > > I was wondering if somebody could advise me of a tutorial on how to > create icons (file formats, names etc), and how to install them > somewhere that I can test them? > Hi Jonathan, Some answers to your questions: file formats - png for most icons, svg for scalable icons sizes - 16x16, 22x22, 24x24, 32x32, 48x48, the bigger you will probably not need names - http://standards.freedesktop.org/icon-naming-spec/icon-naming-spec-latest.html and icon-naming-utils package, also there is a usefull utility analyzing the current coverage (you have to have inherited icon theme though, to make use of this) [1] index.theme - http://git.fedoraproject.org/?p=hosted/echo-icon-theme;a=blob_plain;f=trunk/Echo/index.theme;hb=HEAD (example) and http://standards.freedesktop.org/icon-theme-spec/icon-theme-spec-latest.html path - only for you: ~/.icons/YourThemeName, for everyone /usr/share/icons/YourThemeName. You might also want to look at the Tango Icon theme guidelines [2] or Echo Icon theme status [3] (there are hopefully listed most of the icons you see on a desktop). I am also not sure if this isn't remaking of the high-contrast theme. Its in every default distribution of fedora, so you find it easily. Martin References: [1] http://git.fedoraproject.org/?p=hosted/echo-icon-theme;a=tree;f=echo-icon-sources/gtk-icon-coverage-check;hb=HEAD [2] http://tango.freedesktop.org/Tango_Icon_Theme_Guidelines [3] https://hosted.fedoraproject.org/projects/echo-icon-theme/wiki/IconThemeStatus > Not much of an artist myself, but I was inspired by the recent idea of > simple black and white icons for small sizes so might have a crack at > something along those lines... > > Jon > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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All the data that art installation uses is available publicly through the Geophysical Institute's real time monitering system via the web. I want to see something similar for the desktop except do this without sound... do it only with animated svg desktop elements! -jef"I wonder if there is NSF funding for this. Abstract visualization of scientific data into a artist forms as science education outreach"spaleta