From martin.sourada at seznam.cz Sat Dec 1 13:23:28 2007 From: martin.sourada at seznam.cz (Martin Sourada) Date: Sat, 01 Dec 2007 14:23:28 +0100 Subject: Nodoka: Focus Ring In-Reply-To: <1196361890.4766.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1196361890.4766.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1196515408.15447.8.camel@pc-notebook> On Thu, 2007-11-29 at 19:44 +0100, Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek wrote: > Hi, > > Murrine is modern GTK engine, which was basis for Nodoka. > Nodoka is also a modern GTK engine. > > Clearlooks is other GTK engine, also modern (it's kinda stupid, all are > modern :> ?). > > Clearlooks in SVN changed focus ring from dotted outline to rounded and > semi-transparent filled rectangle and slight shadow on buttons > (OSX-like) [1]. > > Windows Vista has other focus ring - pulsating background/shadow (don't > remember) [2, Configure button]. > > I have very simple proposal, to change the current focus ring [3]. > > > > > 1| http://img.wklej.org/images/12466focus-clearlooks.png > 2| http://www.tech2.com/media/images/img_3831_networking.jpg > 3| http://img.wklej.org/images/99108focus-nodoka.png > Yep, complete rework of focus rings is on the schedule. For the buttons I'll probably make it similar to Clearlooks, as with other components I am not sure yet. It needs to be modern looking, easy to perceive and we need to get rid of the ugly looking dash-lined rectangles... Sketches, suggestions, patches welcome. Thanks, Martin -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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From markg85 at gmail.com Sat Dec 1 16:11:31 2007 From: markg85 at gmail.com (Mark) Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2007 17:11:31 +0100 Subject: Nodoka: Focus Ring In-Reply-To: <1196515408.15447.8.camel@pc-notebook> References: <1196361890.4766.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1196515408.15447.8.camel@pc-notebook> Message-ID: <6e24a8e80712010811r3892f8d8x88e0eff481568218@mail.gmail.com> > > 1| http://img.wklej.org/images/12466focus-clearlooks.png > Yep, complete rework of focus rings is on the schedule. For the buttons > I'll probably make it similar to Clearlooks, as with other components I > am not sure yet. It needs to be modern looking, easy to perceive and we > need to get rid of the ugly looking dash-lined rectangles... Sketches, > suggestions, patches welcome. > > Thanks, > Martin Do you need sketches? i would go for the clearlooks. Nodoka with the clearlooks button style.. seems a perfect fit to me. From liviopl.pl at gmail.com Sat Dec 1 16:33:56 2007 From: liviopl.pl at gmail.com (Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek) Date: Sat, 01 Dec 2007 17:33:56 +0100 Subject: Flying Higher GDM Theme In-Reply-To: <6e24a8e80712010806x3b395867wbd4789279b4c3fac@mail.gmail.com> References: <1196446822.13008.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> <6e24a8e80712010806x3b395867wbd4789279b4c3fac@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1196526836.17913.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> GDM doesn't allow for screenshots. GDM with special X server, which runs in desktop environment doesn't work for me :( . Dnia 01-12-2007, sob o godzinie 17:06 +0100, Mark pisze: > 2007/11/30, Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek : > > Hi, > > > > In Dropline GNOME (Slackware packages) I've found nice login theme, so > > I've modified it a lot and added simple "Login" image from SLiM. > > > > Hope you like it and it can be basis for F9 GDM theme. > > Do you have a screenshot? > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list -- ___ _ | _|___ _| |___ ___ ___ | _| -_| . | . | _| . | |_| |___|___|___|_| |___|_ Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek Fedora Project http://liviopl.jogger.pl/ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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It needs to be modern looking, easy to perceive and we > > need to get rid of the ugly looking dash-lined rectangles... Sketches, > > suggestions, patches welcome. > > > > Thanks, > > Martin > > Do you need sketches? i would go for the clearlooks. Nodoka with the > clearlooks button style.. seems a perfect fit to me. > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list -- ___ _ | _|___ _| |___ ___ ___ | _| -_| . | . | _| . | |_| |___|___|___|_| |___|_ Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek Fedora Project http://liviopl.jogger.pl/ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I think I've just about got enough skills to put this bit of things together if people were interested to create the banners? Appreciate people are busy and might not have the time for something like this... Jon From tchung at fedoraproject.org Sun Dec 2 18:51:54 2007 From: tchung at fedoraproject.org (Thomas Chung) Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2007 10:51:54 -0800 Subject: New Volunteer Writer Needed for Fedora Weekly News Message-ID: <369bce3b0712021051m31831a3djf5e602367fd9b4c7@mail.gmail.com> Hello, We have an opening for a volunteer writer who can cover Fedora Artwork Project for Fedora Weekly News. If you've been following Fedora Artwork Project and can summarize fedora-arts-list per weekly basis, please contact me. Regards. -- Thomas Chung http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ThomasChung From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Mon Dec 3 07:06:12 2007 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Mon, 03 Dec 2007 09:06:12 +0200 Subject: Flying Higher GDM Theme In-Reply-To: <1196446822.13008.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1196446822.13008.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <4753AAE4.8030001@nicubunu.ro> Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek wrote: > In Dropline GNOME (Slackware packages) I've found nice login theme, so > I've modified it a lot and added simple "Login" image from SLiM. > > Hope you like it and it can be basis for F9 GDM theme. Then please make it a formal proposal: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/F9Themes -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Mon Dec 3 07:18:52 2007 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Mon, 03 Dec 2007 09:18:52 +0200 Subject: Flying Higher GDM Theme In-Reply-To: <1196526836.17913.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1196446822.13008.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> <6e24a8e80712010806x3b395867wbd4789279b4c3fac@mail.gmail.com> <1196526836.17913.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <4753ADDC.4070304@nicubunu.ro> Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek wrote: > GDM doesn't allow for screenshots. > GDM with special X server, which runs in desktop environment doesn't > work for me :( . You should be able to run "gdmflexiserver --xnest". However, it does not work for me, complaining about the lack of Xnest even is I have xorg-z11-server-Xnest installed. -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From jjmasek at gmail.com Mon Dec 3 08:50:08 2007 From: jjmasek at gmail.com (Jiri Jakub Masek) Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2007 09:50:08 +0100 Subject: CODE9TO9 THEME Message-ID: Hi, I added a CODE9TO9 theme to wiki http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/F9Themes /CODE9TO9 JJM -- I'm still learning English... Ji?? Jakub Ma?ek - Mr Jiri Jakub Masek Moravia, Czech Republic, European Union -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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From ml at deadbabylon.de Mon Dec 3 11:00:55 2007 From: ml at deadbabylon.de (Sebastian Vahl) Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2007 12:00:55 +0100 Subject: KDE: Default Style In-Reply-To: <1196600042.4705.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1196600042.4705.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <200712031201.00271.ml@deadbabylon.de> Am So 2.Dezember 2007 schrieb Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek: > (if KDE4 will not replace KDE3 in F9 :> ). It will. See: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/FeatureKDE4 Sebastian -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part. URL: From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Mon Dec 3 11:23:59 2007 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Mon, 03 Dec 2007 13:23:59 +0200 Subject: Banners In-Reply-To: <1196610516.2681.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1196610516.2681.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <4753E74F.8080404@nicubunu.ro> Jonathan Roberts wrote: > What do people think about getting some banners together for the fp.org? > I feel bad for asking as I'm creatively challenged(!) and wouldn't be > much assistance in putting them together, but I thought it would be good > if we could put banners up advertising FWN when it's released, or the > various spins that are now available? Sure, and we already did some such banners (like the countdown to F8 release and some other designs). One good start would be to define which size(s) do we want to use (468x60, others?) and then assembly a list with themes, events, slogans. I think banner creation is a process where is easy to jump in and would be suitable even for new members of the Art Team. Of course, there are areas where we need to take care (file size, logo usage), but this is why we are a team. -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From ricky at fedoraproject.org Mon Dec 3 11:31:18 2007 From: ricky at fedoraproject.org (Ricky Zhou) Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2007 06:31:18 -0500 Subject: Flying Higher GDM Theme In-Reply-To: <4753ADDC.4070304@nicubunu.ro> References: <1196446822.13008.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> <6e24a8e80712010806x3b395867wbd4789279b4c3fac@mail.gmail.com> <1196526836.17913.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> <4753ADDC.4070304@nicubunu.ro> Message-ID: <20071203113118.GG732@Max.nyc1.dsl.speakeasy.net> On 2007-12-03 09:18:52 AM, Nicu Buculei wrote: > You should be able to run "gdmflexiserver --xnest". > However, it does not work for me, complaining about the lack of Xnest even > is I have xorg-z11-server-Xnest installed. 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Thanks, this did the trick! However, for useful screenshots a large resolution is needed, so I added "-geometry 1024x768" to the existing "Xnest=/usr/bin/Xephyr -audit 0" line in /usr/share/gdm and it does not work. -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From liviopl.pl at gmail.com Mon Dec 3 15:55:26 2007 From: liviopl.pl at gmail.com (Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek) Date: Mon, 03 Dec 2007 16:55:26 +0100 Subject: Flying Higher GDM Theme In-Reply-To: <4753ADDC.4070304@nicubunu.ro> References: <1196446822.13008.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> <6e24a8e80712010806x3b395867wbd4789279b4c3fac@mail.gmail.com> <1196526836.17913.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> <4753ADDC.4070304@nicubunu.ro> Message-ID: <1196697326.2398.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> Doesn't work for me too. Xauthority related... Dnia 03-12-2007, pon o godzinie 09:18 +0200, Nicu Buculei pisze: > Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek wrote: > > GDM doesn't allow for screenshots. > > GDM with special X server, which runs in desktop environment doesn't > > work for me :( . > > You should be able to run "gdmflexiserver --xnest". > However, it does not work for me, complaining about the lack of Xnest > even is I have xorg-z11-server-Xnest installed. > -- ___ _ | _|___ _| |___ ___ ___ | _| -_| . | . | _| . | |_| |___|___|___|_| |___|_ Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek Fedora Project http://liviopl.jogger.pl/ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Dnia 03-12-2007, pon o godzinie 09:06 +0200, Nicu Buculei pisze: > Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek wrote: > > In Dropline GNOME (Slackware packages) I've found nice login theme, so > > I've modified it a lot and added simple "Login" image from SLiM. > > > > Hope you like it and it can be basis for F9 GDM theme. > > Then please make it a formal proposal: > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/F9Themes > -- ___ _ | _|___ _| |___ ___ ___ | _| -_| . | . | _| . | |_| |___|___|___|_| |___|_ Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek Fedora Project http://liviopl.jogger.pl/ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Let's face it! KDE has better looks than GNOME, and that was one of the reasons why I am using KDE, now that KDE4 is on the way, it will have even more power, and I really don't think we should take that away from KDE users just because GNOME can't do that! Cheers! -- Laith Juwaidah http://www.ljuwaidah.org/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part. URL: From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Tue Dec 4 07:03:48 2007 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Tue, 04 Dec 2007 09:03:48 +0200 Subject: KDE: Default Style In-Reply-To: <200712031326.57143.ljuwaidah@gmail.com> References: <1196600042.4705.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> <6e24a8e80712030122m200f4565k7b213b1619692eb2@mail.gmail.com> <200712031326.57143.ljuwaidah@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4754FBD4.1000409@nicubunu.ro> Laith Juwaidah wrote: > On Monday 03 December 2007 13:22:33 Mark wrote: > > I would make gnome and kde look identical (in skin). > -1 > > I don't think they should be identical. Let's face it! KDE has better > looks than GNOME, and that was one of the reasons why I am using KDE, This is true for certain values of "better" :D > now that KDE4 is on the way, it will have even more power, and I really > don't think we should take that away from KDE users just because GNOME > can't do that! -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From martin.sourada at seznam.cz Tue Dec 4 10:39:14 2007 From: martin.sourada at seznam.cz (Martin Sourada) Date: Tue, 04 Dec 2007 11:39:14 +0100 Subject: Nodoka: Focus Ring In-Reply-To: <1196526896.17913.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1196361890.4766.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1196515408.15447.8.camel@pc-notebook> <6e24a8e80712010811r3892f8d8x88e0eff481568218@mail.gmail.com> <1196526896.17913.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1196764754.3079.2.camel@pc-notebook.kolej.mff.cuni.cz> I don't know, what he meant, but he replied so that I am not sure the others caught what I meant - I mean focus ring style for other components than button, that can have focus, as well. On Sat, 2007-12-01 at 17:34 +0100, Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek wrote: > You mean button's focus style or button's style? > > Dnia 01-12-2007, sob o godzinie 17:11 +0100, Mark pisze: > > > > 1| http://img.wklej.org/images/12466focus-clearlooks.png > > > > > Yep, complete rework of focus rings is on the schedule. For the buttons > > > I'll probably make it similar to Clearlooks, as with other components I > > > am not sure yet. It needs to be modern looking, easy to perceive and we > > > need to get rid of the ugly looking dash-lined rectangles... Sketches, > > > suggestions, patches welcome. > > > > > > Thanks, > > > Martin > > > > Do you need sketches? i would go for the clearlooks. Nodoka with the > > clearlooks button style.. seems a perfect fit to me. > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Fedora-art-list mailing list > > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list From martin.sourada at seznam.cz Tue Dec 4 10:45:53 2007 From: martin.sourada at seznam.cz (Martin Sourada) Date: Tue, 04 Dec 2007 11:45:53 +0100 Subject: KDE: Default Style In-Reply-To: <200712031326.57143.ljuwaidah@gmail.com> References: <1196600042.4705.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> <6e24a8e80712030122m200f4565k7b213b1619692eb2@mail.gmail.com> <200712031326.57143.ljuwaidah@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1196765153.3079.8.camel@pc-notebook.kolej.mff.cuni.cz> On Mon, 2007-12-03 at 10:26 +0100, Laith Juwaidah wrote: > -1 > > I don't think they should be identical. Let's face it! KDE has better > looks than GNOME, and that was one of the reasons why I am using KDE, Let's face the fact that this is quite subjective. The default KDE look seems to me like unfinished work, while the default GNOME look (Clearlooks) is polished and professional. One of the reasons I don't use KDE is that it looked ugly to me with every theme I tried. KDE4 seems to be getting better, we'll see... > now that KDE4 is on the way, it will have even more power, and I > really don't think we should take that away from KDE users just > because GNOME can't do that! > Default theme is not about power. It is about clean a professional look. Eyecandy like animations, reflections, ... sure does more harm than good. Try to use one theme for several years. With most of the themes out in the wild you'll get bored of them after few months, while Clearlooks is the exact opposite, and I hope Nodoka is going to be same in that way. > Cheers! > > -- > > Laith Juwaidah > > http://www.ljuwaidah.org/ > Martin From liviopl.pl at gmail.com Tue Dec 4 15:17:28 2007 From: liviopl.pl at gmail.com (Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek) Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2007 16:17:28 +0100 Subject: KDE: Default Style In-Reply-To: <200712031326.57143.ljuwaidah@gmail.com> References: <1196600042.4705.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> <6e24a8e80712030122m200f4565k7b213b1619692eb2@mail.gmail.com> <200712031326.57143.ljuwaidah@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200712041617.28733.liviopl.pl@gmail.com> Monday 03 of December 2007 10:26:40 Laith Juwaidah napisa?(a): > I don't think they should be identical. Let's face it! KDE has better looks > than GNOME, and that was one of the reasons why I am using KDE, now that > KDE4 is on the way, it will have even more power, and I really don't think > we should take that away from KDE users just because GNOME can't do that! I see that kind of behavior as trollish. -- ___ _ | _|___ _| |___ ___ ___ | _| -_| . | . | _| . | |_| |___|___|___|_| |___|_ Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek Fedora Project http://liviopl.jogger.pl/ From ljuwaida at fedoraproject.org Tue Dec 4 16:01:33 2007 From: ljuwaida at fedoraproject.org (Laith Juwaidah) Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2007 20:01:33 +0400 Subject: KDE: Default Style In-Reply-To: <1196765153.3079.8.camel@pc-notebook.kolej.mff.cuni.cz> References: <1196600042.4705.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> <200712031326.57143.ljuwaidah@gmail.com> <1196765153.3079.8.camel@pc-notebook.kolej.mff.cuni.cz> Message-ID: <200712042001.39568.ljuwaida@fedoraproject.org> On Tuesday 04 December 2007 14:45:53 Martin Sourada wrote: > On Mon, 2007-12-03 at 10:26 +0100, Laith Juwaidah wrote: > > -1 > > > > I don't think they should be identical. Let's face it! KDE has better > > looks than GNOME, and that was one of the reasons why I am using KDE, > > Let's face the fact that this is quite subjective. The default KDE look > seems to me like unfinished work, while the default GNOME look > (Clearlooks) is polished and professional. One of the reasons I don't > use KDE is that it looked ugly to me with every theme I tried. KDE4 > seems to be getting better, we'll see... I'm not talking about the default theme, I remeber when I first tried Linux, it was SuSE Enterprise Linux Desktop (10 I guess), it had both GNOME and KDE installed but the default desktop environment was GNOME, I did't know Linux had more than one desktop environment and all that, so I just kept using GNOME, I tried to change the way it looks, but... The only one that I found I liked was Industrial, then, I found the miracle of KDE, I tried it and I had much more choices by default, and all of them look better than GNOME's, well, other than redmonde :P > > > now that KDE4 is on the way, it will have even more power, and I > > really don't think we should take that away from KDE users just > > because GNOME can't do that! > > Default theme is not about power. It is about clean a professional look. > Eyecandy like animations, reflections, ... sure does more harm than > good. Try to use one theme for several years. With most of the themes > out in the wild you'll get bored of them after few months, while > Clearlooks is the exact opposite, and I hope Nodoka is going to be same > in that way. > I agree with you that a theme gets boring after a while (I pitty windows users :P) but I totally disagree when it comes to clearlooks, it's just another theme, people will get bored of it after a while. Plus, the default theme is not the way you measure how powerful a desktop environment is, when it comes to graphics, it's about what the comunity can create for it using whatever is provided to them by the developers. I'm not here to criticise GNOME, all I'm saying is that when it comes to decorations, KDE can do more. Cheers! > > Cheers! > > > > -- > > > > Laith Juwaidah > > > > http://www.ljuwaidah.org/ > > Martin > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list -- Laith Juwaidah http://www.ljuwaidah.org/ From johnp at redhat.com Tue Dec 4 19:06:03 2007 From: johnp at redhat.com (John (J5) Palmieri) Date: Tue, 04 Dec 2007 14:06:03 -0500 Subject: Request for project icon and logo In-Reply-To: <474C321A.3060504@nicubunu.ro> References: <1195578491.2750.18.camel@localhost.localdomain> <474AACEA.7060205@nicubunu.ro> <474BECA1.7020002@nicubunu.ro> <474C321A.3060504@nicubunu.ro> Message-ID: <1196795163.2758.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> Cool, Any way we can get a matching "D-Feet" spelled out for the web page? On Tue, 2007-11-27 at 17:04 +0200, Nicu Buculei wrote: > Nicu Buculei wrote: > > Nicu Buculei wrote: > >> John (J5) Palmieri wrote: > >>> Hey guys I have a project I am releasing through Fedora. It is called > >>> D-Feet and is a GTK+ based debugger for D-Bus. Go wild, I just want > >>> something that is readily identifiable. > >> > >> Here are a couple of unpolished sketches. > > > > And a shinier version (still no Tango and no Echo). I'm not sure if the > > perspective is the best one here. > > This should be better. > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list -- John (J5) Palmieri From markg85 at gmail.com Wed Dec 5 08:46:11 2007 From: markg85 at gmail.com (Mark) Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2007 09:46:11 +0100 Subject: Nodoka: Focus Ring In-Reply-To: <1196764754.3079.2.camel@pc-notebook.kolej.mff.cuni.cz> References: <1196361890.4766.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1196515408.15447.8.camel@pc-notebook> <6e24a8e80712010811r3892f8d8x88e0eff481568218@mail.gmail.com> <1196526896.17913.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1196764754.3079.2.camel@pc-notebook.kolej.mff.cuni.cz> Message-ID: <6e24a8e80712050046q55047869l84dbf8ebd10c4c34@mail.gmail.com> i mean: use this focus ring: http://img.wklej.org/images/12466focus-clearlooks.png it looks good and fits nodoka. 2007/12/4, Martin Sourada : > I don't know, what he meant, but he replied so that I am not sure the > others caught what I meant - I mean focus ring style for other > components than button, that can have focus, as well. > > On Sat, 2007-12-01 at 17:34 +0100, Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek wrote: > > You mean button's focus style or button's style? > > > > Dnia 01-12-2007, sob o godzinie 17:11 +0100, Mark pisze: > > > > > 1| http://img.wklej.org/images/12466focus-clearlooks.png > > > > > > > Yep, complete rework of focus rings is on the schedule. For the buttons > > > > I'll probably make it similar to Clearlooks, as with other components I > > > > am not sure yet. It needs to be modern looking, easy to perceive and we > > > > need to get rid of the ugly looking dash-lined rectangles... Sketches, > > > > suggestions, patches welcome. > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > Martin > > > > > > Do you need sketches? i would go for the clearlooks. Nodoka with the > > > clearlooks button style.. seems a perfect fit to me. > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Fedora-art-list mailing list > > > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > > > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list > > _______________________________________________ > > Fedora-art-list mailing list > > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list > From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Wed Dec 5 11:26:58 2007 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Wed, 05 Dec 2007 13:26:58 +0200 Subject: Request for project icon and logo In-Reply-To: <1196795163.2758.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1195578491.2750.18.camel@localhost.localdomain> <474AACEA.7060205@nicubunu.ro> <474BECA1.7020002@nicubunu.ro> <474C321A.3060504@nicubunu.ro> <1196795163.2758.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <47568B02.4070905@nicubunu.ro> John (J5) Palmieri wrote: > Cool, Any way we can get a matching "D-Feet" spelled out for the web > page? While playing with the text heading I got an alternate idea http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/stuff/d-feet_alt.png with source http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/stuff/d-feet_alt.svg Here are a number of text headings: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/stuff/d-feet_full.png with sources: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/stuff/d-feet_full.svg -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From martin.sourada at seznam.cz Wed Dec 5 23:07:59 2007 From: martin.sourada at seznam.cz (Martin Sourada) Date: Thu, 06 Dec 2007 00:07:59 +0100 Subject: Adjusting Nodoka Metacity Message-ID: <1196896079.2863.23.camel@pc-notebook.kolej.mff.cuni.cz> Hi, I have not enough time now to do things fast (this time of year is rather a busy one...), but I started adjusting the Nodoka metacity. The main reason for this was to make it more adjustable (meaning the button positions), so that the Mac OS X button ordering would work as expected. That needed reworking of the button drawing functions, most notably separating the buttons. Today I updated the metacity in trunk [1] to enable this change. You can try it out and I'll be grateful for suggestions, patches, adjustments, ... As a part of the process I decided to start work on alternative Nodoka metacity styling, I named it Nodoka Reloaded, but maybe Nodoka Classic would be better, as it uses classic button styling. I attach screen-shot of a sketch (with the eog window, so that I can show the adjustment I made to the original in work) and a SVG source. Suggestions of course welcome. I should mention that I didn't care much with the sizes (as you can see from the screen-shot), so the proportions will be a bit different in the final theme... I'd also like to mention that it is desired that the gradients will be same and that the button icons (like the "x" for closing) will be same as well for both themes. So, if you have some ideas for the final look of the icons, it is more than welcome. I already provided two: the simple looking in the original Nodoka Metacity and the Clearlooks like in the Nodoka Reloaded. Another thing I have in mind is an idea of creating a third Nodoka metacity theme. It should have same gradients styling (hue and saturation can be different) and button icons, but the rest I leave for your suggestions. Would you like differently coloured buttons, some strangely shaped buttons, or joined buttons in one group, anything else? While this is really a low priority one, your suggestions, sketches, etc. will be welcome. So as you might guessed, I'd like to ship (hopefully since Fedora 9) three slightly different Nodoka metacity themes - the adjusted theme we are using now (that will remain the default one), one with classical styled buttons (the one I attached sketch for), and one designed mostly to fit the wants of those that don't like either of the former two, or would like to have something less traditional. Thanks, Martin References: [1] http://git.fedoraproject.org/?p=hosted/nodoka;a=tree;f=trunk/nodoka-theme-gnome/Nodoka/metacity-1;h=e63f5ab366634a4b63e10429170671fd80d0e3f7;hb=HEAD -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: nodoka-metacity-draft.png Type: image/png Size: 21388 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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What I really like is that text logo combined with the logo that is on the left, four down. I like the idea of keeping the magnifying glass as the logo and icon but combing it with the text and having the feet trample over it for a full effect. Something to the effect of the attached svg though better composed than I can do. Also for the icon we need to figure out how to make it look good at small resolutions. -- John (J5) Palmieri -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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The > main reason for this was to make it more adjustable (meaning the button > positions), so that the Mac OS X button ordering would work as expected. > That needed reworking of the button drawing functions, most notably > separating the buttons. Today I updated the metacity in trunk [1] to > enable this change. You can try it out and I'll be grateful for > suggestions, patches, adjustments, ... > > As a part of the process I decided to start work on alternative Nodoka > metacity styling, I named it Nodoka Reloaded, but maybe Nodoka Classic > would be better, as it uses classic button styling. I attach screen-shot > of a sketch (with the eog window, so that I can show the adjustment I > made to the original in work) and a SVG source. Suggestions of course > welcome. I should mention that I didn't care much with the sizes (as you > can see from the screen-shot), so the proportions will be a bit > different in the final theme... > > I'd also like to mention that it is desired that the gradients will be > same and that the button icons (like the "x" for closing) will be same > as well for both themes. So, if you have some ideas for the final look > of the icons, it is more than welcome. I already provided two: the > simple looking in the original Nodoka Metacity and the Clearlooks like > in the Nodoka Reloaded. > > Another thing I have in mind is an idea of creating a third Nodoka > metacity theme. It should have same gradients styling (hue and > saturation can be different) and button icons, but the rest I leave for > your suggestions. Would you like differently coloured buttons, some > strangely shaped buttons, or joined buttons in one group, anything else? > While this is really a low priority one, your suggestions, sketches, > etc. will be welcome. > > So as you might guessed, I'd like to ship (hopefully since Fedora 9) > three slightly different Nodoka metacity themes - the adjusted theme we > are using now (that will remain the default one), one with classical > styled buttons (the one I attached sketch for), and one designed mostly > to fit the wants of those that don't like either of the former two, or > would like to have something less traditional. > > Thanks, > Martin > > References: > [1] > http://git.fedoraproject.org/?p=hosted/nodoka;a=tree;f=trunk/nodoka-theme-gnome/Nodoka/metacity-1;h=e63f5ab366634a4b63e10429170671fd80d0e3f7;hb=HEAD > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list -- ___ _ | _|___ _| |___ ___ ___ | _| -_| . | . | _| . | |_| |___|___|___|_| |___|_ Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek Fedora Project http://liviopl.jogger.pl/ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: To jest cz??? wiadomo?ci podpisana cyfrowo URL: From mmcgrath at redhat.com Thu Dec 6 21:01:24 2007 From: mmcgrath at redhat.com (Mike McGrath) Date: Thu, 06 Dec 2007 15:01:24 -0600 Subject: First banner ad! Message-ID: <47586324.6090806@redhat.com> Can we get someone to make our first banner AD to be placed on http://fedoraproject.org/ for the upcoming FUDCon? It should match closely this image (in specs, no need to animate): http://fedoraproject.org/static/images/banners/f8-banner-animation.gif In the future we may move the banner this is sort of a trial run. Please try to make it match the rest of that page :) -Mike From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Fri Dec 7 07:02:15 2007 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Fri, 07 Dec 2007 09:02:15 +0200 Subject: First banner ad! In-Reply-To: <47586324.6090806@redhat.com> References: <47586324.6090806@redhat.com> Message-ID: <4758EFF7.1040405@nicubunu.ro> Mike McGrath wrote: > Can we get someone to make our first banner AD to be placed on > http://fedoraproject.org/ for the upcoming FUDCon? It should match > closely this image (in specs, no need to animate): > > http://fedoraproject.org/static/images/banners/f8-banner-animation.gif > > In the future we may move the banner this is sort of a trial run. > Please try to make it match the rest of that page :) When designing the banner keep in mind we had a vote and a logo was selected, use it. The "winner" was design 5 from http://mihmo.livejournal.com/47496.html Its source can be found somewhere inside http://duffy.fedorapeople.org/art/logos/fudcon/fudcon-logos.svg -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From michael.d.beckwith at gmail.com Fri Dec 7 07:43:30 2007 From: michael.d.beckwith at gmail.com (Michael Beckwith) Date: Fri, 07 Dec 2007 01:43:30 -0600 Subject: Gimp Gap Message-ID: <4758F9A2.2070305@gmail.com> Does anyone by chance have an rpm for gimp-gap-2.2.2? I try to compile it myself but get this error: checking for GIMP... configure: error: Package requirements (gimp-2.0 >= 2.2.0 gimpui-2.0 >= 2.2.0 gimpthumb-2.0) were not met: No package 'gimp-2.0' found No package 'gimpui-2.0' found No package 'gimpthumb-2.0' found Do I need to do some more installing to get those packages and then try again? -- ~Michael http://ridleytx.structed.net (for now) http://michaelbox.net (eventually) From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Fri Dec 7 08:06:30 2007 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Fri, 07 Dec 2007 10:06:30 +0200 Subject: Gimp Gap In-Reply-To: <4758F9A2.2070305@gmail.com> References: <4758F9A2.2070305@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4758FF06.8000601@nicubunu.ro> Michael Beckwith wrote: > Does anyone by chance have an rpm for gimp-gap-2.2.2? I try to compile > it myself but get this error: For a long time using GAP is one of the things I want to learn more about, but didn't get to it so far (some years ago it used to be packaged in Fedora). > checking for GIMP... configure: error: Package requirements (gimp-2.0 >= > 2.2.0 gimpui-2.0 >= 2.2.0 gimpthumb-2.0) were not met: Just a wild guess: maybe it is not ported to GIMP 2.4? It would be nice to have it packaged in Fedora and if we ever get to the Art Studio spin, it would be a must-have there, I think. -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From michael.d.beckwith at gmail.com Fri Dec 7 08:20:39 2007 From: michael.d.beckwith at gmail.com (Michael Beckwith) Date: Fri, 07 Dec 2007 02:20:39 -0600 Subject: Gimp Gap In-Reply-To: <4758FF06.8000601@nicubunu.ro> References: <4758F9A2.2070305@gmail.com> <4758FF06.8000601@nicubunu.ro> Message-ID: <47590257.5050100@gmail.com> Nicu Buculei wrote: > For a long time using GAP is one of the things I want to learn more > about, but didn't get to it so far (some years ago it used to be > packaged in Fedora). I'd really like to learn more too, especially if it has some power to export to video files. > Just a wild guess: maybe it is not ported to GIMP 2.4? > It would be nice to have it packaged in Fedora and if we ever get to > the Art Studio spin, it would be a must-have there, I think. I could believe that but I'm hoping against it. I'll probably hang out in the GIMP IRC channels or hit up their mailing list within the next couple days. In regards to the art studio, yes, definitely. Maybe Mairin will have something about it once she gets back from her trip. -- ~Michael http://ridleytx.structed.net (for now) http://michaelbox.net (eventually) From mmcgrath at redhat.com Fri Dec 7 14:09:02 2007 From: mmcgrath at redhat.com (Mike McGrath) Date: Fri, 07 Dec 2007 08:09:02 -0600 Subject: First banner ad! In-Reply-To: <4758EFF7.1040405@nicubunu.ro> References: <47586324.6090806@redhat.com> <4758EFF7.1040405@nicubunu.ro> Message-ID: <475953FE.2070608@redhat.com> Nicu Buculei wrote: > Mike McGrath wrote: >> Can we get someone to make our first banner AD to be placed on >> http://fedoraproject.org/ for the upcoming FUDCon? It should match >> closely this image (in specs, no need to animate): >> >> http://fedoraproject.org/static/images/banners/f8-banner-animation.gif >> >> In the future we may move the banner this is sort of a trial run. >> Please try to make it match the rest of that page :) > > When designing the banner keep in mind we had a vote and a logo was > selected, use it. > The "winner" was design 5 from http://mihmo.livejournal.com/47496.html > Its source can be found somewhere inside > http://duffy.fedorapeople.org/art/logos/fudcon/fudcon-logos.svg Will this be the same process for all future banners? -Mike From stickster at gmail.com Fri Dec 7 16:21:01 2007 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Fri, 07 Dec 2007 11:21:01 -0500 Subject: Gimp Gap In-Reply-To: <4758F9A2.2070305@gmail.com> References: <4758F9A2.2070305@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1197044461.28427.81.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Fri, 2007-12-07 at 01:43 -0600, Michael Beckwith wrote: > Does anyone by chance have an rpm for gimp-gap-2.2.2? I try to compile > it myself but get this error: > > checking for GIMP... configure: error: Package requirements (gimp-2.0 >= > 2.2.0 gimpui-2.0 >= 2.2.0 gimpthumb-2.0) were not met: > > No package 'gimp-2.0' found > No package 'gimpui-2.0' found > No package 'gimpthumb-2.0' found > > Do I need to do some more installing to get those packages and then try > again? You just need the gimp-devel package installed. However, I note that the functionality will probably be greatly increased if you do not have other packages installed that are forbidden in Fedora due to legal encumbrances. -- Paul W. Frields, RHCE http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 Fedora Project: http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From michael.d.beckwith at gmail.com Fri Dec 7 18:57:27 2007 From: michael.d.beckwith at gmail.com (Michael Beckwith) Date: Fri, 07 Dec 2007 12:57:27 -0600 Subject: Gimp Gap In-Reply-To: <1197044461.28427.81.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <4758F9A2.2070305@gmail.com> <1197044461.28427.81.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <47599797.40300@gmail.com> Yeah, I tend to forget the devel and header stuff all the time. People in the GIMP IRC rooms reminded me of that and through some more tweaking, I managed to get a barebone version compiled and running. I still have all the source stuff and will probably give some more goes at it soon. I'd really like to get the Ogg stuff enabled, that way i could play around with ogg video and whatnot. Paul W. Frields wrote: > On Fri, 2007-12-07 at 01:43 -0600, Michael Beckwith wrote: > >> Does anyone by chance have an rpm for gimp-gap-2.2.2? I try to compile >> it myself but get this error: >> >> checking for GIMP... configure: error: Package requirements (gimp-2.0 >= >> 2.2.0 gimpui-2.0 >= 2.2.0 gimpthumb-2.0) were not met: >> >> No package 'gimp-2.0' found >> No package 'gimpui-2.0' found >> No package 'gimpthumb-2.0' found >> >> Do I need to do some more installing to get those packages and then try >> again? >> > > You just need the gimp-devel package installed. However, I note that > the functionality will probably be greatly increased if you do not have > other packages installed that are forbidden in Fedora due to legal > encumbrances. > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list > -- ~Michael http://ridleytx.structed.net (for now) http://michaelbox.net (eventually) From johnp at redhat.com Fri Dec 7 20:49:22 2007 From: johnp at redhat.com (John (J5) Palmieri) Date: Fri, 07 Dec 2007 15:49:22 -0500 Subject: Request for project icon and logo In-Reply-To: <4757DC6C.4010308@nicubunu.ro> References: <1195578491.2750.18.camel@localhost.localdomain> <474AACEA.7060205@nicubunu.ro> <474BECA1.7020002@nicubunu.ro> <474C321A.3060504@nicubunu.ro> <1196795163.2758.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> <47568B02.4070905@nicubunu.ro> <1196896548.2772.35.camel@localhost.localdomain> <4757DC6C.4010308@nicubunu.ro> Message-ID: <1197060563.17336.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Thu, 2007-12-06 at 13:26 +0200, Nicu Buculei wrote: > John (J5) Palmieri wrote: > > > > Also for the icon we need to figure out how to make it look good at > > small resolutions. > > For the small icon we have to use a head-on perspective. > > Attached some stuff. Awesome, check out your work at http://hosted.fedoraproject.org/projects/d-feet/ -- John (J5) Palmieri From mmcgrath at redhat.com Fri Dec 7 20:55:24 2007 From: mmcgrath at redhat.com (Mike McGrath) Date: Fri, 07 Dec 2007 14:55:24 -0600 Subject: First banner ad! In-Reply-To: <47586324.6090806@redhat.com> References: <47586324.6090806@redhat.com> Message-ID: <4759B33C.8020205@redhat.com> Mike McGrath wrote: > Can we get someone to make our first banner AD to be placed on > http://fedoraproject.org/ for the upcoming FUDCon? It should match > closely this image (in specs, no need to animate): > > http://fedoraproject.org/static/images/banners/f8-banner-animation.gif > > In the future we may move the banner this is sort of a trial run. > Please try to make it match the rest of that page :) Added to the design service FWIW. -Mike From jonathan.roberts.uk at googlemail.com Sat Dec 8 18:11:00 2007 From: jonathan.roberts.uk at googlemail.com (Jonathan Roberts) Date: Sat, 08 Dec 2007 18:11:00 +0000 Subject: Banners In-Reply-To: <4753E74F.8080404@nicubunu.ro> References: <1196610516.2681.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> <4753E74F.8080404@nicubunu.ro> Message-ID: <1197137460.3787.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Mon, 2007-12-03 at 13:23 +0200, Nicu Buculei wrote: > Jonathan Roberts wrote: > > What do people think about getting some banners together for the fp.org? > > I feel bad for asking as I'm creatively challenged(!) and wouldn't be > > much assistance in putting them together, but I thought it would be good > > if we could put banners up advertising FWN when it's released, or the > > various spins that are now available? > > Sure, and we already did some such banners (like the countdown to F8 > release and some other designs). > One good start would be to define which size(s) do we want to use > (468x60, others?) and then assembly a list with themes, events, slogans. Hey, sorry for the slowness of my reply to this. I think Re: size of the banner, we could stick to that used for the countdown to F8 and the current F8 banner as it fits the websites perfectly. What do people think? Or were people thinking it might be good to put a banner across the top? I'm worried that might start to make the pages look a bit heavy... As for a list of themes, events and slogans: * FUDCon (as suggested by Mike) * The various spins of F8: * Electronics Lab * Games Spin * Developer Spin * GNOME * KDE * Rawhide (?) * Fedora Weekly News * Documentation * Get Involved Just some suggestions. Feedback? Anybody interested in jumping in and getting started?! Best wishes all, Jon From jonathan.roberts.uk at googlemail.com Sun Dec 9 18:31:25 2007 From: jonathan.roberts.uk at googlemail.com (Jonathan Roberts) Date: Sun, 09 Dec 2007 18:31:25 +0000 Subject: First banner ad! In-Reply-To: <4759B33C.8020205@redhat.com> References: <47586324.6090806@redhat.com> <4759B33C.8020205@redhat.com> Message-ID: <1197225085.2712.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> I said earlier I was creatively challenged, but I had a little play with this to pass a bit of time and this is my result. I've just modified the fudcon logo from Mairin and the used an infinity wall paper for the background to mirror the current banner up on fp.org inline with Mike's request for the new banner to match the colour scheme. I've attached both the png and the svg so maybe it might be of some use :D If not, no problem - it was fun to play! Jon -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: drawing.png Type: image/png Size: 23035 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: fudcon-banner.svg Type: image/svg+xml Size: 7647 bytes Desc: not available URL: From dimitris at glezos.com Sun Dec 9 20:33:42 2007 From: dimitris at glezos.com (Dimitris Glezos) Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2007 02:03:42 +0530 Subject: First banner ad! In-Reply-To: <1197225085.2712.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <47586324.6090806@redhat.com> <4759B33C.8020205@redhat.com> <1197225085.2712.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <6d4237680712091233w60c6824er936f3331352b8dad@mail.gmail.com> On 12/10/07, Jonathan Roberts wrote: > I said earlier I was creatively challenged, but I had a little play with > this to pass a bit of time and this is my result. Jonathan, this looks awesome. -d > I've just modified the fudcon logo from Mairin and the used an infinity > wall paper for the background to mirror the current banner up on fp.org > inline with Mike's request for the new banner to match the colour > scheme. > > I've attached both the png and the svg so maybe it might be of some > use :D If not, no problem - it was fun to play! > > Jon > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list > > > -- Dimitris Glezos Jabber ID: glezos at jabber.org, GPG: 0xA5A04C3B http://dimitris.glezos.com/ "He who gives up functionality for ease of use loses both and deserves neither." (Anonymous) -- From michael.d.beckwith at gmail.com Mon Dec 10 01:31:29 2007 From: michael.d.beckwith at gmail.com (Michael Beckwith) Date: Sun, 09 Dec 2007 19:31:29 -0600 Subject: Link for official F9 theme proposal Message-ID: <475C96F1.9030808@gmail.com> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/F9Themes/Freedom Enjoy. I'll post more sketches of ideas later. -- ~Michael http://ridleytx.structed.net (for now) http://michaelbox.net (eventually) From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Mon Dec 10 08:12:55 2007 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2007 10:12:55 +0200 Subject: First banner ad! In-Reply-To: <1197225085.2712.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <47586324.6090806@redhat.com> <4759B33C.8020205@redhat.com> <1197225085.2712.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <475CF507.3080201@nicubunu.ro> Jonathan Roberts wrote: > I've just modified the fudcon logo from Mairin and the used an infinity > wall paper for the background to mirror the current banner up on fp.org > inline with Mike's request for the new banner to match the colour > scheme. > > I've attached both the png and the svg so maybe it might be of some > use :D If not, no problem - it was fun to play! Simple and nice, good work. I believe it should say "2008". And maybe add some color to the logo? A light halo? Hint: when sharing such a SVG it may be useful to embed the PNG (Inkscape: Effects > Imags > Embed All Images), the file size will grow a lot but it will be possible for others to play with it. -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Mon Dec 10 08:30:01 2007 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2007 10:30:01 +0200 Subject: Link for official F9 theme proposal In-Reply-To: <475C96F1.9030808@gmail.com> References: <475C96F1.9030808@gmail.com> Message-ID: <475CF909.60708@nicubunu.ro> Michael Beckwith wrote: > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/F9Themes/Freedom Interesting. I am curious how this would look in full color. Do you plan for strong, full saturated colors? > Enjoy. I'll post more sketches of ideas later. You should avoid the "Freedom" text or *any* other text. It does not work in our multilingual settings, I believe we have a guideline somewhere saying the wallpaper should not include any text. You may want to replace such text with an icon, but I feel the broken chain has the potential to work well enough as an icon. Another thing to consider in an multi-cultural context like ours: in some cultures hand gestures have completely different meanings that you are used to (and may be offensive: one finger, two fingers, the open pal, the fist, etc.). -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Mon Dec 10 09:34:59 2007 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2007 11:34:59 +0200 Subject: Banners In-Reply-To: <1197137460.3787.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1196610516.2681.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> <4753E74F.8080404@nicubunu.ro> <1197137460.3787.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <475D0843.4090906@nicubunu.ro> Jonathan Roberts wrote: > As for a list of themes, events and slogans: > > * FUDCon (as suggested by Mike) > * The various spins of F8: > * Electronics Lab > * Games Spin Here is a (potentially controversial) fun I had about "games" in a banner format: - full quality PNG: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/artwork/funny/games_banner.png - optimized for size (indexed): http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/artwork/funny/games_banner_indexed.png - stupid GIF animation: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/artwork/funny/games_banner.gif - SVG source for all this: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/artwork/funny/games_banner.svg > * Developer Spin > * GNOME > * KDE > * Rawhide (?) > * Fedora Weekly News > * Documentation > * Get Involved -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From jonathan.roberts.uk at googlemail.com Mon Dec 10 09:49:22 2007 From: jonathan.roberts.uk at googlemail.com (Jonathan Roberts) Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2007 09:49:22 +0000 Subject: First banner ad! In-Reply-To: <475CF507.3080201@nicubunu.ro> References: <47586324.6090806@redhat.com> <4759B33C.8020205@redhat.com> <1197225085.2712.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> <475CF507.3080201@nicubunu.ro> Message-ID: <1197280162.2673.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> > Simple and nice, good work. I believe it should say "2008". > And maybe add some color to the logo? A light halo? OK, I've changed it to say 2008, but as for colours on the logo I don't know becuase it seems hard to find colours that will work with the background. Also, I could not figure out the Halo options under effects > generate from path, it seemed to do nothing! > > Hint: when sharing such a SVG it may be useful to embed the PNG > (Inkscape: Effects > Imags > Embed All Images), the file size will grow > a lot but it will be possible for others to play with it. I've done this too now, so at least you can all play with it and make the tweaks you think :D Find it here: http://questionsplease.org/fedora/fudcon-banner.svg (caution, this is 3.3mb!) and the original source for the fudcon logo: http://duffy.fedorapeople.org/art/logos/fudcon/fudcon-logos.svg and the original source for the background: http://people.redhat.com/duffy/artwork/infinity-24/pm02.png Best, Jon > From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Mon Dec 10 10:55:11 2007 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2007 12:55:11 +0200 Subject: First banner ad! In-Reply-To: <1197280162.2673.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <47586324.6090806@redhat.com> <4759B33C.8020205@redhat.com> <1197225085.2712.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> <475CF507.3080201@nicubunu.ro> <1197280162.2673.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <475D1B0F.9030706@nicubunu.ro> Jonathan Roberts wrote: >> Simple and nice, good work. I believe it should say "2008". >> And maybe add some color to the logo? A light halo? > > OK, I've changed it to say 2008, but as for colours on the logo I don't > know becuase it seems hard to find colours that will work with the Do you know Agave - http://home.gna.org/colorscheme/ (yum install agave)? Is a wonderful tool for the job, will help you to find matching colors. > background. Also, I could not figure out the Halo options under effects The halo effect is a remaining from before Inkscape had the Gaussian Blur filter and is a poor way to fake it (it work only on paths, no objects like ellipses or text which have to be converted to paths, no groups, etc.) The best way to create a halo effect is to make a duplicate of your object (if is a group then ungroup and do an union), outset and then apply Gaussian Blur, maybe decrease the opacity. -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From jonathan.roberts.uk at googlemail.com Mon Dec 10 11:40:08 2007 From: jonathan.roberts.uk at googlemail.com (Jonathan Roberts) Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2007 11:40:08 +0000 Subject: First banner ad! In-Reply-To: <475D1B0F.9030706@nicubunu.ro> References: <47586324.6090806@redhat.com> <4759B33C.8020205@redhat.com> <1197225085.2712.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> <475CF507.3080201@nicubunu.ro> <1197280162.2673.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> <475D1B0F.9030706@nicubunu.ro> Message-ID: <1197286808.2651.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Mon, 2007-12-10 at 12:55 +0200, Nicu Buculei wrote: > Jonathan Roberts wrote: > >> Simple and nice, good work. I believe it should say "2008". > >> And maybe add some color to the logo? A light halo? > > > > OK, I've changed it to say 2008, but as for colours on the logo I don't > > know becuase it seems hard to find colours that will work with the > > Do you know Agave - http://home.gna.org/colorscheme/ (yum install > agave)? Is a wonderful tool for the job, will help you to find matching > colors. > > > background. Also, I could not figure out the Halo options under effects > > The halo effect is a remaining from before Inkscape had the Gaussian > Blur filter and is a poor way to fake it (it work only on paths, no > objects like ellipses or text which have to be converted to paths, no > groups, etc.) > The best way to create a halo effect is to make a duplicate of your > object (if is a group then ungroup and do an union), outset and then > apply Gaussian Blur, maybe decrease the opacity. Cool, thanks for the advice :D You can find a new version of it at http://questionsplease.org/fedora/drawing.png and I've also updated the svg: http://questionsplease.org/fedora/fudcon-banner.svg Any more feedback? I hope it's not too blurred now! Best wishes, Jon > From jonathan.roberts.uk at googlemail.com Mon Dec 10 11:55:07 2007 From: jonathan.roberts.uk at googlemail.com (Jonathan Roberts) Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2007 11:55:07 +0000 Subject: Banners In-Reply-To: <475D0843.4090906@nicubunu.ro> References: <1196610516.2681.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> <4753E74F.8080404@nicubunu.ro> <1197137460.3787.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> <475D0843.4090906@nicubunu.ro> Message-ID: <1197287707.2705.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Mon, 2007-12-10 at 11:34 +0200, Nicu Buculei wrote: > Jonathan Roberts wrote: > > As for a list of themes, events and slogans: > > > > * FUDCon (as suggested by Mike) > > * The various spins of F8: > > * Electronics Lab > > * Games Spin > > Here is a (potentially controversial) fun I had about "games" in a > banner format: > - full quality PNG: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/artwork/funny/games_banner.png > - optimized for size (indexed): > http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/artwork/funny/games_banner_indexed.png > - stupid GIF animation: > http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/artwork/funny/games_banner.gif > - SVG source for all this: > http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/artwork/funny/games_banner.svg I like them, though I think I'd prefer it without the bevelled edge. Cheers, Jon > > > * Developer Spin > > * GNOME > > * KDE > > * Rawhide (?) > > * Fedora Weekly News > > * Documentation > > * Get Involved > From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Mon Dec 10 13:10:55 2007 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2007 15:10:55 +0200 Subject: First banner ad! In-Reply-To: <1197286808.2651.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <47586324.6090806@redhat.com> <4759B33C.8020205@redhat.com> <1197225085.2712.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> <475CF507.3080201@nicubunu.ro> <1197280162.2673.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> <475D1B0F.9030706@nicubunu.ro> <1197286808.2651.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <475D3ADF.4010006@nicubunu.ro> Jonathan Roberts wrote: > You can find a new version of it at > http://questionsplease.org/fedora/drawing.png > > and I've also updated the svg: > > http://questionsplease.org/fedora/fudcon-banner.svg > > Any more feedback? I hope it's not too blurred now! You can play with file size optimization: open it with GIMP, convert from RGB to indexed trying various dithering methods, all of them will look uglier but will hugely reduce the file size. -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From jonathan.roberts.uk at googlemail.com Mon Dec 10 14:14:56 2007 From: jonathan.roberts.uk at googlemail.com (Jonathan Roberts) Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2007 14:14:56 +0000 Subject: First banner ad! In-Reply-To: <475D3ADF.4010006@nicubunu.ro> References: <47586324.6090806@redhat.com> <4759B33C.8020205@redhat.com> <1197225085.2712.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> <475CF507.3080201@nicubunu.ro> <1197280162.2673.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> <475D1B0F.9030706@nicubunu.ro> <1197286808.2651.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> <475D3ADF.4010006@nicubunu.ro> Message-ID: <1197296096.2662.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Mon, 2007-12-10 at 15:10 +0200, Nicu Buculei wrote: > Jonathan Roberts wrote: > > You can find a new version of it at > > http://questionsplease.org/fedora/drawing.png > > > > and I've also updated the svg: > > > > http://questionsplease.org/fedora/fudcon-banner.svg > > > > Any more feedback? I hope it's not too blurred now! > > You can play with file size optimization: open it with GIMP, convert > from RGB to indexed trying various dithering methods, all of them will > look uglier but will hugely reduce the file size. OK, I've got the file size down to about 9kb compared to 23kb - and it doesn't really look much worse either... http://questionsplease.org/fedora/fudcon-banner-dither4.png Jon > From liviopl.pl at gmail.com Mon Dec 10 14:32:28 2007 From: liviopl.pl at gmail.com (Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek) Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2007 15:32:28 +0100 Subject: Link for official F9 theme proposal In-Reply-To: <475CF909.60708@nicubunu.ro> References: <475C96F1.9030808@gmail.com> <475CF909.60708@nicubunu.ro> Message-ID: <1197297148.4677.0.camel@camel> I dislike sketch. But I hope you'll send some mockups and those will be great ;) . From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Mon Dec 10 15:32:17 2007 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2007 17:32:17 +0200 Subject: First banner ad! In-Reply-To: <1197296096.2662.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <47586324.6090806@redhat.com> <4759B33C.8020205@redhat.com> <1197225085.2712.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> <475CF507.3080201@nicubunu.ro> <1197280162.2673.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> <475D1B0F.9030706@nicubunu.ro> <1197286808.2651.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> <475D3ADF.4010006@nicubunu.ro> <1197296096.2662.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <475D5C01.8000006@nicubunu.ro> Jonathan Roberts wrote: > > OK, I've got the file size down to about 9kb compared to 23kb - and it > doesn't really look much worse either... > > http://questionsplease.org/fedora/fudcon-banner-dither4.png See, you can quickly become a pro! -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From jonathan.roberts.uk at googlemail.com Mon Dec 10 15:49:15 2007 From: jonathan.roberts.uk at googlemail.com (Jonathan Roberts) Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2007 15:49:15 +0000 Subject: First banner ad! In-Reply-To: <475D5C01.8000006@nicubunu.ro> References: <47586324.6090806@redhat.com> <4759B33C.8020205@redhat.com> <1197225085.2712.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> <475CF507.3080201@nicubunu.ro> <1197280162.2673.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> <475D1B0F.9030706@nicubunu.ro> <1197286808.2651.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> <475D3ADF.4010006@nicubunu.ro> <1197296096.2662.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> <475D5C01.8000006@nicubunu.ro> Message-ID: <1197301755.2653.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Mon, 2007-12-10 at 17:32 +0200, Nicu Buculei wrote: > Jonathan Roberts wrote: > > > > OK, I've got the file size down to about 9kb compared to 23kb - and it > > doesn't really look much worse either... > > > > http://questionsplease.org/fedora/fudcon-banner-dither4.png > > See, you can quickly become a pro! Heh, thanks to all your help!!! Hopefully it's useful :D Jon > From mclasen at redhat.com Mon Dec 10 17:01:02 2007 From: mclasen at redhat.com (Matthias Clasen) Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2007 12:01:02 -0500 Subject: Link for official F9 theme proposal In-Reply-To: <475CF909.60708@nicubunu.ro> References: <475C96F1.9030808@gmail.com> <475CF909.60708@nicubunu.ro> Message-ID: <1197306062.2933.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Mon, 2007-12-10 at 10:30 +0200, Nicu Buculei wrote: > Michael Beckwith wrote: > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/F9Themes/Freedom > > Interesting. I am curious how this would look in full color. Do you plan > for strong, full saturated colors? > > > Enjoy. I'll post more sketches of ideas later. > > You should avoid the "Freedom" text or *any* other text. It does not > work in our multilingual settings, I believe we have a guideline > somewhere saying the wallpaper should not include any text. > You may want to replace such text with an icon, but I feel the broken > chain has the potential to work well enough as an icon. > > Another thing to consider in an multi-cultural context like ours: in > some cultures hand gestures have completely different meanings that you > are used to (and may be offensive: one finger, two fingers, the open > pal, the fist, etc.). Yeah. Words bad, body parts really bad... From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Mon Dec 10 17:16:07 2007 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2007 19:16:07 +0200 Subject: Link for official F9 theme proposal In-Reply-To: <1197306062.2933.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <475C96F1.9030808@gmail.com> <475CF909.60708@nicubunu.ro> <1197306062.2933.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <475D7457.9090007@nicubunu.ro> Matthias Clasen wrote: > On Mon, 2007-12-10 at 10:30 +0200, Nicu Buculei wrote: >> >> Another thing to consider in an multi-cultural context like ours: in >> some cultures hand gestures have completely different meanings that you >> are used to (and may be offensive: one finger, two fingers, the open >> palm, the fist, etc.). > > Yeah. Words bad, body parts really bad... Michael, how about an over-simplification of your concept, leaving *only* the broken chain? -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From jonathan.roberts.uk at googlemail.com Mon Dec 10 17:23:06 2007 From: jonathan.roberts.uk at googlemail.com (Jonathan Roberts) Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2007 17:23:06 +0000 Subject: Link for official F9 theme proposal In-Reply-To: <475D7457.9090007@nicubunu.ro> References: <475C96F1.9030808@gmail.com> <475CF909.60708@nicubunu.ro> <1197306062.2933.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> <475D7457.9090007@nicubunu.ro> Message-ID: <1197307386.2653.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Mon, 2007-12-10 at 19:16 +0200, Nicu Buculei wrote: > Matthias Clasen wrote: > > On Mon, 2007-12-10 at 10:30 +0200, Nicu Buculei wrote: > >> > >> Another thing to consider in an multi-cultural context like ours: in > >> some cultures hand gestures have completely different meanings that you > >> are used to (and may be offensive: one finger, two fingers, the open > >> palm, the fist, etc.). > > > > Yeah. Words bad, body parts really bad... > > Michael, how about an over-simplification of your concept, leaving > *only* the broken chain? Could the chain merge into the fedora logo or something? Jon > From michael.d.beckwith at gmail.com Mon Dec 10 22:01:04 2007 From: michael.d.beckwith at gmail.com (Michael Beckwith) Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2007 16:01:04 -0600 Subject: Link for official F9 theme proposal In-Reply-To: <475CF909.60708@nicubunu.ro> References: <475C96F1.9030808@gmail.com> <475CF909.60708@nicubunu.ro> Message-ID: <475DB720.2090405@gmail.com> Nicu Buculei wrote: > Interesting. I am curious how this would look in full color. Do you > plan for strong, full saturated colors? I'm not sure what I was considering when it came to coloring. I think most of the time in my mind I was picturing more muted colors, so that it doesn't obstruct too much with desktop icons and whatnot, but also there is a lot of negative space that people could put their icons in and still get full view of the arm. > You should avoid the "Freedom" text or *any* other text. It does not > work in our multilingual settings, I believe we have a guideline > somewhere saying the wallpaper should not include any text. > You may want to replace such text with an icon, but I feel the broken > chain has the potential to work well enough as an icon. I knew that part was questionable but put it in there anyway. There are definitely possible replacements for "Freedom". One off the top of my head is the Fedora logo within the speech bubble. The broken chain part is, obviously supposed to represent the "breaking free" and I think the emphasis lines around it add a very nice touch that explains what's going on. > Another thing to consider in an multi-cultural context like ours: in > some cultures hand gestures have completely different meanings that > you are used to (and may be offensive: one finger, two fingers, the > open pal, the fist, etc.). Definitely going to have to be considered. Perhaps I or someone else could research what a balled up fist represents in multiple cultures so not to offend anyone. -- ~Michael http://ridleytx.structed.net (for now) http://michaelbox.net (eventually) From michael.d.beckwith at gmail.com Mon Dec 10 22:07:53 2007 From: michael.d.beckwith at gmail.com (Michael Beckwith) Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2007 16:07:53 -0600 Subject: Link for official F9 theme proposal In-Reply-To: <1197297148.4677.0.camel@camel> References: <475C96F1.9030808@gmail.com> <475CF909.60708@nicubunu.ro> <1197297148.4677.0.camel@camel> Message-ID: <475DB8B9.7040700@gmail.com> We're still in the first round where all we're doing is thumbing and trying to represent what we would like to see. Come 2nd round, if mine makes it, I'll get to present more refined and developed versions. ;) No worries yet Jakub. Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek wrote: > I dislike sketch. But I hope you'll send some mockups and those will be > great ;) . > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list > > -- ~Michael http://ridleytx.structed.net (for now) http://michaelbox.net (eventually) From michael.d.beckwith at gmail.com Mon Dec 10 22:13:07 2007 From: michael.d.beckwith at gmail.com (Michael Beckwith) Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2007 16:13:07 -0600 Subject: Link for official F9 theme proposal In-Reply-To: <1197307386.2653.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <475C96F1.9030808@gmail.com> <475CF909.60708@nicubunu.ro> <1197306062.2933.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> <475D7457.9090007@nicubunu.ro> <1197307386.2653.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <475DB9F3.2000701@gmail.com> Both Jonathan and Matthias' ideas noted. I'll consider them for other possibilities and post what I come up with. Jonathan Roberts wrote: > On Mon, 2007-12-10 at 19:16 +0200, Nicu Buculei wrote: > >> Matthias Clasen wrote: >> >>> On Mon, 2007-12-10 at 10:30 +0200, Nicu Buculei wrote: >>> >>>> Another thing to consider in an multi-cultural context like ours: in >>>> some cultures hand gestures have completely different meanings that you >>>> are used to (and may be offensive: one finger, two fingers, the open >>>> palm, the fist, etc.). >>>> >>> Yeah. Words bad, body parts really bad... >>> >> Michael, how about an over-simplification of your concept, leaving >> *only* the broken chain? >> > > Could the chain merge into the fedora logo or something? > > Jon > > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list > > -- ~Michael http://ridleytx.structed.net (for now) http://michaelbox.net (eventually) From ricky at fedoraproject.org Mon Dec 10 22:31:11 2007 From: ricky at fedoraproject.org (Ricky Zhou) Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2007 17:31:11 -0500 Subject: First banner ad! In-Reply-To: <1197301755.2653.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <4759B33C.8020205@redhat.com> <1197225085.2712.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> <475CF507.3080201@nicubunu.ro> <1197280162.2673.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> <475D1B0F.9030706@nicubunu.ro> <1197286808.2651.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> <475D3ADF.4010006@nicubunu.ro> <1197296096.2662.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> <475D5C01.8000006@nicubunu.ro> <1197301755.2653.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <20071210223111.GA20393@Max.nyc1.dsl.speakeasy.net> On 2007-12-10 03:49:15 PM, Jonathan Roberts wrote: > Heh, thanks to all your help!!! Hopefully it's useful :D Wow, that looks great! It's definitely very useful, and if you don't mind, it'll be going up in the next few minutes (it should rotate with the current banner). Thanks a lot, Ricky -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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In-Reply-To: <20071210223111.GA20393@Max.nyc1.dsl.speakeasy.net> References: <4759B33C.8020205@redhat.com> <1197225085.2712.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> <475CF507.3080201@nicubunu.ro> <1197280162.2673.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> <475D1B0F.9030706@nicubunu.ro> <1197286808.2651.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> <475D3ADF.4010006@nicubunu.ro> <1197296096.2662.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> <475D5C01.8000006@nicubunu.ro> <1197301755.2653.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20071210223111.GA20393@Max.nyc1.dsl.speakeasy.net> Message-ID: <1197329317.2679.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Mon, 2007-12-10 at 17:31 -0500, Ricky Zhou wrote: > On 2007-12-10 03:49:15 PM, Jonathan Roberts wrote: > > Heh, thanks to all your help!!! Hopefully it's useful :D > Wow, that looks great! It's definitely very useful, and if you don't > mind, it'll be going up in the next few minutes (it should rotate with > the current banner). Super cool :D Jon > > Thanks a lot, > Ricky > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list From foss.mailinglists at gmail.com Tue Dec 11 05:04:20 2007 From: foss.mailinglists at gmail.com (Sankarshan Mukhopadhyay) Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2007 10:34:20 +0530 Subject: Is there a design that can be used to create a Fedora Badge/Button ? Message-ID: <475E1A54.7080900@gmail.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hi, $SUBJECT - I plan to have a couple created and looking for the "blessed" designs in .svg format :sankarshan - -- http://www.gutenberg.net - Fine literature digitally re-published http://www.plos.org - Public Library of Science http://www.creativecommons.org - Flexible copyright for creative work -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFHXhpUXQZpNTcrCzMRAoxlAKCFRBj5NHzcNKbnp5L6U7bexeqLoACeNmo6 NZfj5OoUlKzppuhKtPbLoqI= =Q8Ys -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Tue Dec 11 07:56:47 2007 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2007 09:56:47 +0200 Subject: Is there a design that can be used to create a Fedora Badge/Button ? In-Reply-To: <475E1A54.7080900@gmail.com> References: <475E1A54.7080900@gmail.com> Message-ID: <475E42BF.3050506@nicubunu.ro> Sankarshan Mukhopadhyay wrote: > > $SUBJECT - I plan to have a couple created and looking for the "blessed" > designs in .svg format No, we don't have a "blessed" design, but a *must read* is here: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Logo An from there go to http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Logo/UsageGuidelines You *won't* find there the SVG source, as there is a procedure for requesting it due to the trademark policy. Of course, we publish the sources for our work so is not hard to get the source in an unofficial way, but for a "blessed" design you have to ask to (logo AT fedoraproject DOT org). -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From ljuwaida at fedoraproject.org Tue Dec 11 09:47:54 2007 From: ljuwaida at fedoraproject.org (Laith Juwaidah) Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2007 13:47:54 +0400 Subject: Ubuntu Hardy Heron's theme Message-ID: <200712111348.27642.ljuwaida@fedoraproject.org> Hi, I just found this digg[1] today. I NEVER liked Ubuntu's theme (the orangy one), but now with that brown color, that smooth bar, those round edges around the bubble, and the semi-transparant menu, it looks pretty amazing! We really should beat that, we can't let that brown-ish thing beat us! I'm sure there's a good blue theme that looks better than that treehouse! Cheers! [1] http://digg.com/linux_unix/Could_This_Become_Ubuntu_s_New_Theme_for_Hardy_Heron -- Laith Juwaidah http://www.ljuwaidah.org/ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part. URL: From liviopl.pl at gmail.com Tue Dec 11 14:45:46 2007 From: liviopl.pl at gmail.com (Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek) Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2007 15:45:46 +0100 Subject: Ubuntu Hardy Heron's theme In-Reply-To: <200712111348.27642.ljuwaida@fedoraproject.org> References: <200712111348.27642.ljuwaida@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <1197384346.2356.6.camel@camel> Don't be sily, that would require work. They're not good if were talking about own projects... Few programs... Again, pixmap engine would be used or own GTK engine - they'll not realise it, because of big work required. And the accessibility reasons - they may be important. By the way, please don't take inspiration from other distros. I know from experience, it's not good inspiration source [1]. Fedora is Fedora, Ubuntu is Ubuntu, etc. We have our minds, they have their minds. We shouldn't be thinking "they have better NetworkManager" or so, we should think "our NetworkManager sucks, we must to do something with him". This is simple example of patriotic thinking. Greets ;) . 1| Don't ask, please. -- __ _ ___ Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek / _|___ __| |___ _ _ __ _ ( _ ) Fedora Project | _/ -_) _` / _ \ '_/ _` | / _ \ http://liviopl.jogger.pl/ |_| \___\__,_\___/_| \__,_| \___/ From duffy at redhat.com Tue Dec 11 15:22:18 2007 From: duffy at redhat.com (=?UTF-8?B?TcOhaXLDrW4gRHVmZnk=?=) Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2007 10:22:18 -0500 Subject: start the process for F9 theming? Message-ID: <475EAB2A.2@redhat.com> Hi folks, Sorry I've been MIA for a while; I've been in India giving some talks at FOSS.in [1]. I'm glad to see the F9 theming process has started; I will be chatting with John Poelstra sometime this week to start setting the different deadlines for the various theming milestones. Are we happy having 3 'rounds' or would we want to try having 4 this go-around? ~m [1] http://foss.in From foss.mailinglists at gmail.com Tue Dec 11 16:00:42 2007 From: foss.mailinglists at gmail.com (Sankarshan Mukhopadhyay) Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2007 21:30:42 +0530 Subject: Is there a design that can be used to create a Fedora Badge/Button ? In-Reply-To: <475E42BF.3050506@nicubunu.ro> References: <475E1A54.7080900@gmail.com> <475E42BF.3050506@nicubunu.ro> Message-ID: <475EB42A.5000700@gmail.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Nicu Buculei wrote: > No, we don't have a "blessed" design, but a *must read* is here: > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Logo > An from there go to http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Logo/UsageGuidelines /me nods head - thanks for the links. > You *won't* find there the SVG source, as there is a procedure for > requesting it due to the trademark policy. Of course, we publish the > sources for our work so is not hard to get the source in an unofficial > way, but for a "blessed" design you have to ask to (logo AT > fedoraproject DOT org). > So how do I request for a SVG source ? I have already written to logo at fedoraproject dot org by the way :sankarshan - -- http://www.gutenberg.net - Fine literature digitally re-published http://www.plos.org - Public Library of Science http://www.creativecommons.org - Flexible copyright for creative work -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFHXrQqXQZpNTcrCzMRAscIAKCPWADHjD1vPcKWBSVVwpPyvMtfOACeNc6h B0oeA5TgzLHacAXcfaVPttU= =aTjX -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Tue Dec 11 16:13:06 2007 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2007 18:13:06 +0200 Subject: start the process for F9 theming? In-Reply-To: <475EAB2A.2@redhat.com> References: <475EAB2A.2@redhat.com> Message-ID: <475EB712.2040405@nicubunu.ro> M?ir?n Duffy wrote: > Sorry I've been MIA for a while; I've been in India giving some talks at > FOSS.in You were a kind of hero with 3 presentations > I'm glad to see the F9 theming process has started; I will be chatting > with John Poelstra sometime this week to start setting the different > deadlines for the various theming milestones. > > Are we happy having 3 'rounds' or would we want to try having 4 this > go-around? I suspect we are running out of time for a 4 rounds process, the winter vacancy is very close. -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Tue Dec 11 16:17:11 2007 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2007 18:17:11 +0200 Subject: Is there a design that can be used to create a Fedora Badge/Button ? In-Reply-To: <475EB42A.5000700@gmail.com> References: <475E1A54.7080900@gmail.com> <475E42BF.3050506@nicubunu.ro> <475EB42A.5000700@gmail.com> Message-ID: <475EB807.9050709@nicubunu.ro> Sankarshan Mukhopadhyay wrote: > > So how do I request for a SVG source ? I have already written to logo at > fedoraproject dot org by the way Mo was away at foss.in so probably this is why she didn't reply earlier. -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From liviopl.pl at gmail.com Tue Dec 11 16:12:45 2007 From: liviopl.pl at gmail.com (Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek) Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2007 17:12:45 +0100 Subject: Is there a design that can be used to create a Fedora Badge/Button ? In-Reply-To: <475EB42A.5000700@gmail.com> References: <475E1A54.7080900@gmail.com> <475E42BF.3050506@nicubunu.ro> <475EB42A.5000700@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1197389565.4341.1.camel@camel> You must wait for reply... I awaited few months... But they said "sorry" :) . Dnia 11-12-2007, wto o godzinie 21:30 +0530, Sankarshan Mukhopadhyay pisze: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Nicu Buculei wrote: > > > No, we don't have a "blessed" design, but a *must read* is here: > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Logo > > An from there go to http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Logo/UsageGuidelines > > /me nods head - thanks for the links. > > > You *won't* find there the SVG source, as there is a procedure for > > requesting it due to the trademark policy. Of course, we publish the > > sources for our work so is not hard to get the source in an unofficial > > way, but for a "blessed" design you have to ask to (logo AT > > fedoraproject DOT org). > > > > So how do I request for a SVG source ? I have already written to logo at > fedoraproject dot org by the way > > :sankarshan > > - -- > > http://www.gutenberg.net - Fine literature digitally re-published > http://www.plos.org - Public Library of Science > http://www.creativecommons.org - Flexible copyright for creative work > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (GNU/Linux) > Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org > > iD8DBQFHXrQqXQZpNTcrCzMRAscIAKCPWADHjD1vPcKWBSVVwpPyvMtfOACeNc6h > B0oeA5TgzLHacAXcfaVPttU= > =aTjX > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list -- __ _ ___ Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek / _|___ __| |___ _ _ __ _ ( _ ) Fedora Project | _/ -_) _` / _ \ '_/ _` | / _ \ http://liviopl.jogger.pl/ |_| \___\__,_\___/_| \__,_| \___/ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: To jest cz??? wiadomo?ci podpisana cyfrowo URL: From ljuwaida at fedoraproject.org Tue Dec 11 16:59:14 2007 From: ljuwaida at fedoraproject.org (Laith Juwaidah) Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2007 20:59:14 +0400 Subject: Ubuntu Hardy Heron's theme In-Reply-To: <1197384346.2356.6.camel@camel> References: <200712111348.27642.ljuwaida@fedoraproject.org> <1197384346.2356.6.camel@camel> Message-ID: <200712112059.35452.ljuwaida@fedoraproject.org> On Tuesday 11 December 2007 18:45:46 Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek wrote: > Don't be sily, that would require work. They're not good if were talking > about own projects... Few programs... > > Again, pixmap engine would be used or own GTK engine - they'll not > realise it, because of big work required. And the accessibility reasons > - they may be important. > > By the way, please don't take inspiration from other distros. > I know from experience, it's not good inspiration source [1]. > > Fedora is Fedora, Ubuntu is Ubuntu, etc. > > We have our minds, they have their minds. > We shouldn't be thinking "they have better NetworkManager" or so, we > should think "our NetworkManager sucks, we must to do something with > him". > > This is simple example of patriotic thinking. > > Greets ;) . > > > > 1| Don't ask, please. You do have a very good point. I just thought that since it is one of the distros that have higher hit rank than us, may be we should compete with them, but, I guess we should just be ourselves :) Cheers! -- Laith Juwaidah http://www.ljuwaidah.org/ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part. URL: From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Tue Dec 11 17:17:53 2007 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2007 19:17:53 +0200 Subject: Ubuntu Hardy Heron's theme In-Reply-To: <200712112059.35452.ljuwaida@fedoraproject.org> References: <200712111348.27642.ljuwaida@fedoraproject.org> <1197384346.2356.6.camel@camel> <200712112059.35452.ljuwaida@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <475EC641.2070403@nicubunu.ro> Laith Juwaidah wrote: > > I just thought that since it is one of the distros that have higher hit rank > than us, may be we should compete with them, but, I guess we should just be > ourselves :) You know, is so easy to create awesome mockups... making them work is a completely different matter. I remember back then when Cairo was new, there were *huge* hopes about it and some absolutely awesome mockups about how Fedora could look... (BTW, I don't think that proposal for Hardy Heron is a good theme, it does look cool at the first sight, but I am not sure about working with it 24x7) -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From ljuwaida at fedoraproject.org Tue Dec 11 17:32:52 2007 From: ljuwaida at fedoraproject.org (Laith Juwaidah) Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2007 21:32:52 +0400 Subject: Ubuntu Hardy Heron's theme In-Reply-To: <475EC641.2070403@nicubunu.ro> References: <200712111348.27642.ljuwaida@fedoraproject.org> <200712112059.35452.ljuwaida@fedoraproject.org> <475EC641.2070403@nicubunu.ro> Message-ID: <200712112132.53065.ljuwaida@fedoraproject.org> On Tuesday 11 December 2007 21:17:53 Nicu Buculei wrote: > Laith Juwaidah wrote: > > I just thought that since it is one of the distros that have higher hit > > rank than us, may be we should compete with them, but, I guess we should > > just be ourselves :) > > You know, is so easy to create awesome mockups... making them work is a > completely different matter. > I remember back then when Cairo was new, there were *huge* hopes about > it and some absolutely awesome mockups about how Fedora could look... > Phew! I was wondering if it is possible too, but I thought it was only me that's why I didn't say anything. > (BTW, I don't think that proposal for Hardy Heron is a good theme, it > does look cool at the first sight, but I am not sure about working with > it 24x7) -- Laith Juwaidah http://www.ljuwaidah.org/ From liviopl.pl at gmail.com Tue Dec 11 18:18:14 2007 From: liviopl.pl at gmail.com (Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek) Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2007 19:18:14 +0100 Subject: Ubuntu Hardy Heron's theme In-Reply-To: <200712112059.35452.ljuwaida@fedoraproject.org> References: <200712111348.27642.ljuwaida@fedoraproject.org> <1197384346.2356.6.camel@camel> <200712112059.35452.ljuwaida@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <1197397095.2901.1.camel@camel> Do you see Fedora 8? It's beautiful! Fedora 9 will also be beautiful (RHGB must be themeable or I will die when seeing theme with Echo icons, I think), without super-hyper-mockups. Dnia 11-12-2007, wto o godzinie 20:59 +0400, Laith Juwaidah pisze: > On Tuesday 11 December 2007 18:45:46 Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek wrote: > > Don't be sily, that would require work. They're not good if were talking > > about own projects... Few programs... > > > > Again, pixmap engine would be used or own GTK engine - they'll not > > realise it, because of big work required. And the accessibility reasons > > - they may be important. > > > > By the way, please don't take inspiration from other distros. > > I know from experience, it's not good inspiration source [1]. > > > > Fedora is Fedora, Ubuntu is Ubuntu, etc. > > > > We have our minds, they have their minds. > > We shouldn't be thinking "they have better NetworkManager" or so, we > > should think "our NetworkManager sucks, we must to do something with > > him". > > > > This is simple example of patriotic thinking. > > > > Greets ;) . > > > > > > > > 1| Don't ask, please. > > You do have a very good point. > > I just thought that since it is one of the distros that have higher hit rank > than us, may be we should compete with them, but, I guess we should just be > ourselves :) > > Cheers! > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list -- __ _ ___ Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek / _|___ __| |___ _ _ __ _ ( _ ) Fedora Project | _/ -_) _` / _ \ '_/ _` | / _ \ http://liviopl.jogger.pl/ |_| \___\__,_\___/_| \__,_| \___/ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: To jest cz??? wiadomo?ci podpisana cyfrowo URL: From michael.d.beckwith at gmail.com Tue Dec 11 18:56:38 2007 From: michael.d.beckwith at gmail.com (Michael Beckwith) Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2007 12:56:38 -0600 Subject: Ubuntu Hardy Heron's theme In-Reply-To: <1197384346.2356.6.camel@camel> References: <200712111348.27642.ljuwaida@fedoraproject.org> <1197384346.2356.6.camel@camel> Message-ID: <475EDD66.7070709@gmail.com> Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek wrote: > By the way, please don't take inspiration from other distros. > I know from experience, it's not good inspiration source [1]. There is absolutely nothing wrong with taking inspiration from other distros, as long as you're not just blatantly copying it. Take the idea and add your own things to it, chances are you could come up with something better. -- ~Michael http://ridleytx.structed.net (for now) http://michaelbox.net (eventually) From liviopl.pl at gmail.com Tue Dec 11 20:55:55 2007 From: liviopl.pl at gmail.com (Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek) Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2007 21:55:55 +0100 Subject: Ubuntu Hardy Heron's theme In-Reply-To: <475EDD66.7070709@gmail.com> References: <200712111348.27642.ljuwaida@fedoraproject.org> <1197384346.2356.6.camel@camel> <475EDD66.7070709@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1197406555.4937.3.camel@camel> Hmmm. Ubuntu had codec buddy-like application. Fedora implemented same but which install only Fluendo's codecs and attacks sometimes with prices. Wake up, Fedora is OpenSource and it takes power from OpenSource, so it should not recommend paying and external company. It's wrong and should be fixed. Livna is not official, bot don't be silly, it provides quality driver and nonfree packages like codecs. You should support also Livna repo, but not ship it by default. Livna is better than ATRPMs - we might be sure :] . Don't know others... What about inspiration would you say now? Dnia 11-12-2007, wto o godzinie 12:56 -0600, Michael Beckwith pisze: > Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek wrote: > > By the way, please don't take inspiration from other distros. > > I know from experience, it's not good inspiration source [1]. > There is absolutely nothing wrong with taking inspiration from other > distros, as long as you're not just blatantly copying it. Take the idea > and add your own things to it, chances are you could come up with > something better. > -- __ _ ___ Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek / _|___ __| |___ _ _ __ _ ( _ ) Fedora Project | _/ -_) _` / _ \ '_/ _` | / _ \ http://liviopl.jogger.pl/ |_| \___\__,_\___/_| \__,_| \___/ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: To jest cz??? wiadomo?ci podpisana cyfrowo URL: From jonathan.roberts.uk at googlemail.com Tue Dec 11 21:13:04 2007 From: jonathan.roberts.uk at googlemail.com (Jonathan Roberts) Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2007 21:13:04 +0000 Subject: Ubuntu Hardy Heron's theme In-Reply-To: <1197406555.4937.3.camel@camel> References: <200712111348.27642.ljuwaida@fedoraproject.org> <1197384346.2356.6.camel@camel> <475EDD66.7070709@gmail.com> <1197406555.4937.3.camel@camel> Message-ID: <1197407584.2673.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Tue, 2007-12-11 at 21:55 +0100, Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek wrote: > Hmmm. Ubuntu had codec buddy-like application. > Fedora implemented same but which install only Fluendo's codecs and > attacks sometimes with prices. Wake up, Fedora is OpenSource and it > takes power from OpenSource, so it should not recommend paying and > external company. It's wrong and should be fixed. Open source does not = free as in beer. > > Livna is not official, bot don't be silly, it provides quality driver > and nonfree packages like codecs. You should support also Livna repo, > but not ship it by default. This all seems a little off-topic for an art list don't you think? And I'm pretty sure there have been explanations given to all your points so far in other forums on *many* other occassions. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Interviews/CodecBuddy Is a start... Maybe we can get back on topic now? Jon From michael.d.beckwith at gmail.com Tue Dec 11 21:19:08 2007 From: michael.d.beckwith at gmail.com (Michael Beckwith) Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2007 15:19:08 -0600 Subject: Ubuntu Hardy Heron's theme In-Reply-To: <1197406555.4937.3.camel@camel> References: <200712111348.27642.ljuwaida@fedoraproject.org> <1197384346.2356.6.camel@camel> <475EDD66.7070709@gmail.com> <1197406555.4937.3.camel@camel> Message-ID: <475EFECC.8070703@gmail.com> Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek wrote: > Hmmm. Ubuntu had codec buddy-like application. > Fedora implemented same but which install only Fluendo's codecs and > attacks sometimes with prices. Wake up, Fedora is OpenSource and it > takes power from OpenSource, so it should not recommend paying and > external company. It's wrong and should be fixed. > > Livna is not official, bot don't be silly, it provides quality driver > and nonfree packages like codecs. You should support also Livna repo, > but not ship it by default. > > Livna is better than ATRPMs - we might be sure :] . > > Don't know others... > > > > > What about inspiration would you say now? > > Dnia 11-12-2007, wto o godzinie 12:56 -0600, Michael Beckwith pisze: > >> There is absolutely nothing wrong with taking inspiration from other >> distros, as long as you're not just blatantly copying it. Take the idea >> and add your own things to it, chances are you could come up with >> something better. >> First off, how does this relate to the topic at hand about Ubuntu's theme? Considering the fact that this is the art list and that's what Laith was talking about when he started this mailing list thread. The things I mentioned in regards to inspiration stems from what Ubuntu is doing with their theming. Second off, from what I remember from screenshots of Codec Buddy, it first gives a message about supporting FOSS codecs like those in the .OGG container. Then it offers a way to legally pay for the codec use, if that's your thing. As a third option that isn't listed officially, but is suggest on the Fedora forum as well as in the official IRC room, is the livna repo which is a quality repo and I use regularly. -- ~Michael http://ridleytx.structed.net (for now) http://michaelbox.net (eventually) From liviopl.pl at gmail.com Tue Dec 11 21:22:29 2007 From: liviopl.pl at gmail.com (Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek) Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2007 22:22:29 +0100 Subject: Ubuntu Hardy Heron's theme In-Reply-To: <1197407584.2673.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <200712111348.27642.ljuwaida@fedoraproject.org> <1197384346.2356.6.camel@camel> <475EDD66.7070709@gmail.com> <1197406555.4937.3.camel@camel> <1197407584.2673.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1197408149.5304.0.camel@camel> Sure. PS: It's still stupid to me... Dnia 11-12-2007, wto o godzinie 21:13 +0000, Jonathan Roberts pisze: > On Tue, 2007-12-11 at 21:55 +0100, Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek wrote: > > Hmmm. Ubuntu had codec buddy-like application. > > Fedora implemented same but which install only Fluendo's codecs and > > attacks sometimes with prices. Wake up, Fedora is OpenSource and it > > takes power from OpenSource, so it should not recommend paying and > > external company. It's wrong and should be fixed. > > Open source does not = free as in beer. > > > > Livna is not official, bot don't be silly, it provides quality driver > > and nonfree packages like codecs. You should support also Livna repo, > > but not ship it by default. > > This all seems a little off-topic for an art list don't you think? > > And I'm pretty sure there have been explanations given to all your > points so far in other forums on *many* other occassions. > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Interviews/CodecBuddy > > Is a start... > > Maybe we can get back on topic now? > > Jon > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list -- __ _ ___ Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek / _|___ __| |___ _ _ __ _ ( _ ) Fedora Project | _/ -_) _` / _ \ '_/ _` | / _ \ http://liviopl.jogger.pl/ |_| \___\__,_\___/_| \__,_| \___/ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: To jest cz??? wiadomo?ci podpisana cyfrowo URL: From jonathan.roberts.uk at googlemail.com Tue Dec 11 21:35:52 2007 From: jonathan.roberts.uk at googlemail.com (Jonathan Roberts) Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2007 21:35:52 +0000 Subject: Ubuntu Hardy Heron's theme In-Reply-To: <1197408149.5304.0.camel@camel> References: <200712111348.27642.ljuwaida@fedoraproject.org> <1197384346.2356.6.camel@camel> <475EDD66.7070709@gmail.com> <1197406555.4937.3.camel@camel> <1197407584.2673.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1197408149.5304.0.camel@camel> Message-ID: <1197408952.2673.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Tue, 2007-12-11 at 22:22 +0100, Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek wrote: > Sure. > > PS: It's still stupid to me... This is why we don't like non-free/patent-encumbered software! Jon From ljuwaida at fedoraproject.org Tue Dec 11 21:55:19 2007 From: ljuwaida at fedoraproject.org (Laith Juwaidah) Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 01:55:19 +0400 Subject: Ubuntu Hardy Heron's theme In-Reply-To: <1197408952.2673.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <200712111348.27642.ljuwaida@fedoraproject.org> <1197408149.5304.0.camel@camel> <1197408952.2673.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <200712120155.20443.ljuwaida@fedoraproject.org> On Wednesday 12 December 2007 01:35:52 Jonathan Roberts wrote: > On Tue, 2007-12-11 at 22:22 +0100, Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek wrote: > > Sure. > > > > PS: It's still stupid to me... > > This is why we don't like non-free/patent-encumbered software! I know this is way off topic, but I really wanna know, do you, opensource fans (not that I'm not), not use mp3? Is your music collection in ogg format? And to make it completely off topic, any good converters? Hahaha, just kidding :D > > Jon > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list -- Laith Juwaidah http://www.ljuwaidah.org/ From michael.d.beckwith at gmail.com Tue Dec 11 22:29:32 2007 From: michael.d.beckwith at gmail.com (Michael Beckwith) Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2007 16:29:32 -0600 Subject: Ubuntu Hardy Heron's theme In-Reply-To: <200712120155.20443.ljuwaida@fedoraproject.org> References: <200712111348.27642.ljuwaida@fedoraproject.org> <1197408149.5304.0.camel@camel> <1197408952.2673.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> <200712120155.20443.ljuwaida@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <475F0F4C.4070503@gmail.com> Still off topic. When I was doing some harddrive shuffling and reformatting, I ended up deleting music that I owned on CD. When it came to re-ripping them, I put them in ogg instead of mp3. Every now and then I'll do some converting from mp3 to ogg, despite the fact that you lose quality. Still nowhere near all ogg though. -------------------- Laith Juwaidah wrote: I know this is way off topic, but I really wanna know, do you, opensource fans (not that I'm not), not use mp3? Is your music collection in ogg format? And to make it completely off topic, any good converters? Hahaha, just kidding :D -- ~Michael http://ridleytx.structed.net (for now) http://michaelbox.net (eventually) From liviopl.pl at gmail.com Tue Dec 11 22:40:13 2007 From: liviopl.pl at gmail.com (Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek) Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2007 23:40:13 +0100 Subject: Ubuntu Hardy Heron's theme In-Reply-To: <200712120155.20443.ljuwaida@fedoraproject.org> References: <200712111348.27642.ljuwaida@fedoraproject.org> <1197408149.5304.0.camel@camel> <1197408952.2673.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> <200712120155.20443.ljuwaida@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <1197412813.10191.0.camel@camel> Kidding? I'm not. mp3 ? ogg is only getting quality lower and lower. mp3 is popular on the web, sorry. Also, my player plays mp3 and wma (mp3 is better - non-ms). EOT? Dnia 12-12-2007, ?ro o godzinie 01:55 +0400, Laith Juwaidah pisze: > On Wednesday 12 December 2007 01:35:52 Jonathan Roberts wrote: > > On Tue, 2007-12-11 at 22:22 +0100, Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek wrote: > > > Sure. > > > > > > PS: It's still stupid to me... > > > > This is why we don't like non-free/patent-encumbered software! > I know this is way off topic, but I really wanna know, do you, opensource fans > (not that I'm not), not use mp3? Is your music collection in ogg format? And > to make it completely off topic, any good converters? Hahaha, just kidding :D > > > > Jon > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Fedora-art-list mailing list > > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list > > > -- __ _ ___ Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek / _|___ __| |___ _ _ __ _ ( _ ) Fedora Project | _/ -_) _` / _ \ '_/ _` | / _ \ http://liviopl.jogger.pl/ |_| \___\__,_\___/_| \__,_| \___/ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: To jest cz??? wiadomo?ci podpisana cyfrowo URL: From ljuwaida at fedoraproject.org Tue Dec 11 22:52:19 2007 From: ljuwaida at fedoraproject.org (Laith Juwaidah) Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 02:52:19 +0400 Subject: Ubuntu Hardy Heron's theme In-Reply-To: <1197412813.10191.0.camel@camel> References: <200712111348.27642.ljuwaida@fedoraproject.org> <200712120155.20443.ljuwaida@fedoraproject.org> <1197412813.10191.0.camel@camel> Message-ID: <200712120252.20288.ljuwaida@fedoraproject.org> On Wednesday 12 December 2007 02:40:13 Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek wrote: > Kidding? I'm not. > mp3 ? ogg is only getting quality lower and lower. > mp3 is popular on the web, sorry. > Also, my player plays mp3 and wma (mp3 is better - non-ms). > > EOT? Yes :) > > Dnia 12-12-2007, ?ro o godzinie 01:55 +0400, Laith Juwaidah pisze: > > On Wednesday 12 December 2007 01:35:52 Jonathan Roberts wrote: > > > On Tue, 2007-12-11 at 22:22 +0100, Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek wrote: > > > > Sure. > > > > > > > > PS: It's still stupid to me... > > > > > > This is why we don't like non-free/patent-encumbered software! > > > > I know this is way off topic, but I really wanna know, do you, opensource > > fans (not that I'm not), not use mp3? Is your music collection in ogg > > format? And to make it completely off topic, any good converters? Hahaha, > > just kidding :D > > > > > Jon > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Fedora-art-list mailing list > > > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > > > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list -- Laith Juwaidah http://www.ljuwaidah.org/ From michael.d.beckwith at gmail.com Tue Dec 11 22:50:03 2007 From: michael.d.beckwith at gmail.com (Michael Beckwith) Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2007 16:50:03 -0600 Subject: Ubuntu Hardy Heron's theme In-Reply-To: <200712111348.27642.ljuwaida@fedoraproject.org> References: <200712111348.27642.ljuwaida@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <475F141B.2050702@gmail.com> Back on topic. I have to agree with Laith here. The potential that Ubuntu has with the menu setup is looking rather nice. Not sure I like the rounded edges for the hightlights inside the menu though. The tooltips are also looking decent. Perhaps we can get some inspiration for something similar. Laith Juwaidah wrote: > Hi, > > I just found this digg[1] today. > > I NEVER liked Ubuntu's theme (the orangy one), but now with that brown color, > that smooth bar, those round edges around the bubble, and the > semi-transparant menu, it looks pretty amazing! > > We really should beat that, we can't let that brown-ish thing beat us! > > I'm sure there's a good blue theme that looks better than that treehouse! > > Cheers! > [1] > http://digg.com/linux_unix/Could_This_Become_Ubuntu_s_New_Theme_for_Hardy_Heron > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list > -- ~Michael http://ridleytx.structed.net (for now) http://michaelbox.net (eventually) From martin.sourada at seznam.cz Tue Dec 11 23:03:10 2007 From: martin.sourada at seznam.cz (Martin Sourada) Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 00:03:10 +0100 Subject: Ubuntu Hardy Heron's theme In-Reply-To: <475F141B.2050702@gmail.com> References: <200712111348.27642.ljuwaida@fedoraproject.org> <475F141B.2050702@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1197414190.4771.7.camel@pc-notebook.kolej.mff.cuni.cz> On Tue, 2007-12-11 at 23:50 +0100, Michael Beckwith wrote: > Back on topic. I have to agree with Laith here. The potential that > Ubuntu has with the menu setup is looking rather nice. Not sure I like > the rounded edges for the hightlights inside the menu though. The > tooltips are also looking decent. Perhaps we can get some inspiration > for something similar. > Sketches and help welcome. We have nodoka and it is subject to change ;-) The current design will not stay forever and I also plan to increase the configurability and do in some time in the future the notification theme (the current one is too plain). But nothing too flashy, or crazy, ... is accepted. I want nodoka to stay in general fast, modern looking, simple, and usable, while not over too simple/plain. Martin From michael.d.beckwith at gmail.com Wed Dec 12 04:45:54 2007 From: michael.d.beckwith at gmail.com (Michael Beckwith) Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2007 22:45:54 -0600 Subject: Link for official F9 theme proposal In-Reply-To: <475CF909.60708@nicubunu.ro> References: <475C96F1.9030808@gmail.com> <475CF909.60708@nicubunu.ro> Message-ID: <475F6782.1080504@gmail.com> Updated the theme page with two more visual ideas. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/F9Themes/Freedom -- ~Michael http://ridleytx.structed.net (for now) http://michaelbox.net (eventually) From liviopl.pl at gmail.com Wed Dec 12 06:31:16 2007 From: liviopl.pl at gmail.com (Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek) Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 07:31:16 +0100 Subject: Ubuntu Hardy Heron's theme In-Reply-To: <1197414190.4771.7.camel@pc-notebook.kolej.mff.cuni.cz> References: <200712111348.27642.ljuwaida@fedoraproject.org> <475F141B.2050702@gmail.com> <1197414190.4771.7.camel@pc-notebook.kolej.mff.cuni.cz> Message-ID: <1197441076.2393.0.camel@camel> I didn't remember: did I send a feature request about menu and toolbar gradients, etc? Dnia 12-12-2007, ?ro o godzinie 00:03 +0100, Martin Sourada pisze: > On Tue, 2007-12-11 at 23:50 +0100, Michael Beckwith wrote: > > Back on topic. I have to agree with Laith here. The potential that > > Ubuntu has with the menu setup is looking rather nice. Not sure I like > > the rounded edges for the hightlights inside the menu though. The > > tooltips are also looking decent. Perhaps we can get some inspiration > > for something similar. > > > > Sketches and help welcome. We have nodoka and it is subject to > change ;-) The current design will not stay forever and I also plan to > increase the configurability and do in some time in the future the > notification theme (the current one is too plain). But nothing too > flashy, or crazy, ... is accepted. I want nodoka to stay in general > fast, modern looking, simple, and usable, while not over too > simple/plain. > > Martin > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list -- __ _ ___ Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek / _|___ __| |___ _ _ __ _ ( _ ) Fedora Project | _/ -_) _` / _ \ '_/ _` | / _ \ http://liviopl.jogger.pl/ |_| \___\__,_\___/_| \__,_| \___/ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: To jest cz??? wiadomo?ci podpisana cyfrowo URL: From liviopl.pl at gmail.com Wed Dec 12 06:33:07 2007 From: liviopl.pl at gmail.com (Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek) Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 07:33:07 +0100 Subject: Link for official F9 theme proposal In-Reply-To: <475F6782.1080504@gmail.com> References: <475C96F1.9030808@gmail.com> <475CF909.60708@nicubunu.ro> <475F6782.1080504@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1197441187.2393.3.camel@camel> Freedom? I think best symbol of freedom is pidgeon or statue of liberty (or something like that). Maybe an city, like New York, the liberty statue and a pidgeon flying over :] ? Dnia 11-12-2007, wto o godzinie 22:45 -0600, Michael Beckwith pisze: > Updated the theme page with two more visual ideas. > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/F9Themes/Freedom > -- __ _ ___ Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek / _|___ __| |___ _ _ __ _ ( _ ) Fedora Project | _/ -_) _` / _ \ '_/ _` | / _ \ http://liviopl.jogger.pl/ |_| \___\__,_\___/_| \__,_| \___/ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: To jest cz??? wiadomo?ci podpisana cyfrowo URL: From michael.d.beckwith at gmail.com Wed Dec 12 06:45:11 2007 From: michael.d.beckwith at gmail.com (Michael Beckwith) Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 00:45:11 -0600 Subject: Link for official F9 theme proposal In-Reply-To: <1197441187.2393.3.camel@camel> References: <475C96F1.9030808@gmail.com> <475CF909.60708@nicubunu.ro> <475F6782.1080504@gmail.com> <1197441187.2393.3.camel@camel> Message-ID: <475F8377.4090200@gmail.com> The problem with symbols like NYC or the Statue of Liberty is that they don't necessarily mean the same thing to everyone. Pidgeon is more likely, but someone would have to research what other cultures think as well. Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek wrote: > Freedom? I think best symbol of freedom is pidgeon or statue of liberty > (or something like that). > > Maybe an city, like New York, the liberty statue and a pidgeon flying > over :] ? > > Dnia 11-12-2007, wto o godzinie 22:45 -0600, Michael Beckwith pisze: > >> Updated the theme page with two more visual ideas. >> >> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/F9Themes/Freedom >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Fedora-art-list mailing list >> Fedora-art-list at redhat.com >> http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list >> -- ~Michael http://ridleytx.structed.net (for now) http://michaelbox.net (eventually) From nisses.mail at home.se Wed Dec 12 10:42:12 2007 From: nisses.mail at home.se (Andreas Nilsson) Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 11:42:12 +0100 Subject: Ubuntu Hardy Heron's theme In-Reply-To: <200712111348.27642.ljuwaida@fedoraproject.org> References: <200712111348.27642.ljuwaida@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <475FBB04.9040605@home.se> Laith Juwaidah wrote: > Hi, > > I just found this digg[1] today. > > I NEVER liked Ubuntu's theme (the orangy one), but now with that brown color, > that smooth bar, those round edges around the bubble, and the > semi-transparant menu, it looks pretty amazing! > > We really should beat that, we can't let that brown-ish thing beat us! > > I'm sure there's a good blue theme that looks better than that treehouse! > > Cheers! > [1] > http://digg.com/linux_unix/Could_This_Become_Ubuntu_s_New_Theme_for_Hardy_Heron > Hi Laith! Note that these mockups are one of many wild design suggestions from the Ubuntu community. It is in no way the final theme. - Andreas From ljuwaida at fedoraproject.org Wed Dec 12 11:09:05 2007 From: ljuwaida at fedoraproject.org (Laith Juwaidah) Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 15:09:05 +0400 Subject: Link for official F9 theme proposal In-Reply-To: <475F8377.4090200@gmail.com> References: <475C96F1.9030808@gmail.com> <1197441187.2393.3.camel@camel> <475F8377.4090200@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200712121509.38512.ljuwaida@fedoraproject.org> On Wednesday 12 December 2007 10:45:11 Michael Beckwith wrote: > The problem with symbols like NYC or the Statue of Liberty is that they > don't necessarily mean the same thing to everyone. Pidgeon is more > likely, but someone would have to research what other cultures think as > well. > > Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek wrote: > > Freedom? I think best symbol of freedom is pidgeon or statue of liberty > > (or something like that). > > > > Maybe an city, like New York, the liberty statue and a pidgeon flying > > over :] ? > > > > Dnia 11-12-2007, wto o godzinie 22:45 -0600, Michael Beckwith pisze: > >> Updated the theme page with two more visual ideas. > >> > >> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/F9Themes/Freedom > >> > >> > >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Fedora-art-list mailing list > >> Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > >> http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list Isn't pidgeon more of a peace symbol than freedom? And the thing is: Are users ready for 3D computer generated graphics? Maybe a scene from nature with a huge space can mean freedom too, and it is more comon, not that I suggest this[1] (the downloads have reached 80,000+), but something similar, well, a morning version would be great :P Check out the highest rated wallpaper at kde-look.org[2], I didn't go to the second page, but the top 15 (the first page) are all natural scenes, that means that people like this kind of wallpapers.... Am I over-analyzing things? :D [1] http://kde-look.org/content/show.php/NIGHT?content=25331 [2] http://kde-look.org/index.php?xsortmode=high&page=0&xcontentmode=1x2x3x4x5x6x7x29x71x72x73 -- Laith Juwaidah http://www.ljuwaidah.org/ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part. URL: From david at lovesunix.net Wed Dec 12 12:44:28 2007 From: david at lovesunix.net (David Nielsen) Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 13:44:28 +0100 Subject: Link for official F9 theme proposal In-Reply-To: <1197441187.2393.3.camel@camel> References: <475C96F1.9030808@gmail.com> <475CF909.60708@nicubunu.ro> <475F6782.1080504@gmail.com> <1197441187.2393.3.camel@camel> Message-ID: <1197463468.2732.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> Em Qua, 2007-12-12 ?s 07:33 +0100, Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek escreveu: > Freedom? I think best symbol of freedom is pidgeon or statue of liberty > (or something like that). > > Maybe an city, like New York, the liberty statue and a pidgeon flying > over :] ? That would be a downright insulting display of american nationalistic pride to plenty of people. We really need to select culturally neutral images, I for one, really like what we have in Fedora 8 and I would like to suggest keeping and working on perfecting it instead of replacing the artwork every 6 months entirely. - David -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: Esta ? uma parte de mensagem assinada digitalmente URL: From foss.mailinglists at gmail.com Wed Dec 12 12:49:46 2007 From: foss.mailinglists at gmail.com (Sankarshan Mukhopadhyay) Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 18:19:46 +0530 Subject: Is there a design that can be used to create a Fedora Badge/Button ? In-Reply-To: <475EB807.9050709@nicubunu.ro> References: <475E1A54.7080900@gmail.com> <475E42BF.3050506@nicubunu.ro> <475EB42A.5000700@gmail.com> <475EB807.9050709@nicubunu.ro> Message-ID: <475FD8EA.1030802@gmail.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Nicu Buculei wrote: > Sankarshan Mukhopadhyay wrote: >> >> So how do I request for a SVG source ? I have already written to logo at >> fedoraproject dot org by the way > > Mo was away at foss.in so probably this is why she didn't reply earlier. err no when I said already it was after you pointed that out :) - -- http://www.gutenberg.net - Fine literature digitally re-published http://www.plos.org - Public Library of Science http://www.creativecommons.org - Flexible copyright for creative work -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFHX9jqXQZpNTcrCzMRAiBdAKCVYhgdo80FLy28B/hYxWh0TJRhOwCfdmRj 1tXcIenbWgTe4ebKkzs0ZgA= =fqsH -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From jfrieben at gmx.de Wed Dec 12 12:54:37 2007 From: jfrieben at gmx.de (Joachim Frieben) Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 13:54:37 +0100 Subject: Link for official F9 theme proposal In-Reply-To: <1197463468.2732.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <475C96F1.9030808@gmail.com> <475CF909.60708@nicubunu.ro> <475F6782.1080504@gmail.com> <1197441187.2393.3.camel@camel> <1197463468.2732.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <20071212125437.51720@gmx.net> > We really need to select culturally neutral images, I for one, really > like what we have in Fedora 8 and I would like to suggest keeping and > working on perfecting it instead of replacing the artwork every 6 months > entirely. > > - David I can only second that. The F8 themework is really a huge improvement over the last two releases, and there should be no automatism to replace the artwork with every new release. One should rather ponder if the artwork in progress is actually at least on par with the existing one if not superior towards the end of the release cycle and base a decision upon this comparison. ~jf -- Psssst! Schon vom neuen GMX MultiMessenger geh?rt? Der kann`s mit allen: http://www.gmx.net/de/go/multimessenger From martin.sourada at seznam.cz Wed Dec 12 13:16:07 2007 From: martin.sourada at seznam.cz (Martin Sourada) Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 14:16:07 +0100 Subject: Ubuntu Hardy Heron's theme In-Reply-To: <1197441076.2393.0.camel@camel> References: <200712111348.27642.ljuwaida@fedoraproject.org> <475F141B.2050702@gmail.com> <1197414190.4771.7.camel@pc-notebook.kolej.mff.cuni.cz> <1197441076.2393.0.camel@camel> Message-ID: <1197465367.3014.2.camel@pc-notebook.kolej.mff.cuni.cz> On Wed, 2007-12-12 at 07:31 +0100, Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek wrote: > I didn't remember: did I send a feature request about menu and toolbar > gradients, etc? > Neither do I. Better use trac on fedorahosted or bugzilla on redhat for feature requests. In the art-list it gets easily lost... Art list is better to share and discuss ideas rather than requesting them... Martin From liviopl.pl at gmail.com Wed Dec 12 14:28:21 2007 From: liviopl.pl at gmail.com (Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek) Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 15:28:21 +0100 Subject: Link for official F9 theme proposal In-Reply-To: <1197463468.2732.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <475C96F1.9030808@gmail.com> <475CF909.60708@nicubunu.ro> <475F6782.1080504@gmail.com> <1197441187.2393.3.camel@camel> <1197463468.2732.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1197469701.2309.0.camel@camel> Same artwork for few releases? It would boring like the Ubuntu theme... I'm sick of Ubuntu's theme. I love Fedora 8 theme - professional in every inch. Dnia 12-12-2007, ?ro o godzinie 13:44 +0100, David Nielsen pisze: > Em Qua, 2007-12-12 ?s 07:33 +0100, Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek escreveu: > > Freedom? I think best symbol of freedom is pidgeon or statue of liberty > > (or something like that). > > > > Maybe an city, like New York, the liberty statue and a pidgeon flying > > over :] ? > > That would be a downright insulting display of american nationalistic > pride to plenty of people. > > We really need to select culturally neutral images, I for one, really > like what we have in Fedora 8 and I would like to suggest keeping and > working on perfecting it instead of replacing the artwork every 6 months > entirely. > > - David > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list -- __ _ ___ Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek / _|___ __| |___ _ _ __ _ ( _ ) Fedora Project | _/ -_) _` / _ \ '_/ _` | / _ \ http://liviopl.jogger.pl/ |_| \___\__,_\___/_| \__,_| \___/ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Better use trac on fedorahosted or bugzilla on redhat for > feature requests. In the art-list it gets easily lost... Art list is > better to share and discuss ideas rather than requesting them... > > Martin > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list -- __ _ ___ Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek / _|___ __| |___ _ _ __ _ ( _ ) Fedora Project | _/ -_) _` / _ \ '_/ _` | / _ \ http://liviopl.jogger.pl/ |_| \___\__,_\___/_| \__,_| \___/ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I think best symbol of freedom is pidgeon or statue of liberty >> (or something like that). >> >> Maybe an city, like New York, the liberty statue and a pidgeon flying >> over :] ? >> > > That would be a downright insulting display of american nationalistic > pride to plenty of people. > > We really need to select culturally neutral images, I for one, really > like what we have in Fedora 8 and I would like to suggest keeping and > working on perfecting it instead of replacing the artwork every 6 months > entirely. > > - David > Yes, I really agree on both your statements. The Fedora 8 theme is the first theme that have looked really professional in a long time. Lets keep it and maybe polish it slightly. Keeping the same theme for several releases will also help to build the brand. A Rolls Royce model doesn't change appearance from one year to the next. They don't need to as they sell a quality product, and it is good that people recognize it. The same should go for Fedora. Ubuntu have tried it, and it seam to work for them. The Fedora 8 theme would be a very good base for such a long lasting theme as it is very neutral and businesslike. Regards Uno Engborg -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Webworks Sverige AB phone: +46 40 12 01 57 Kamrergatan 29 mobile: +46 70 594 27 21 S-211 56, Malm?, Sweden web: http://www.webworks.se -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: smime.p7s Type: application/x-pkcs7-signature Size: 3309 bytes Desc: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature URL: From uno at webworks.se Wed Dec 12 19:18:35 2007 From: uno at webworks.se (Uno Engborg) Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 20:18:35 +0100 Subject: Link for official F9 theme proposal In-Reply-To: <1197469701.2309.0.camel@camel> References: <475C96F1.9030808@gmail.com> <475CF909.60708@nicubunu.ro> <475F6782.1080504@gmail.com> <1197441187.2393.3.camel@camel> <1197463468.2732.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1197469701.2309.0.camel@camel> Message-ID: <4760340B.9040807@webworks.se> Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek skrev: > Same artwork for few releases? It would boring like the Ubuntu theme... > I'm sick of Ubuntu's theme. I love Fedora 8 theme - professional in > every inch. > For a desktop theme, boring is good. The user should not be disturbed by cool graphics while he is working. The best desktop, is the one the user notice the least. It should just be there for him when he needs it. And yes, I'm sick of Ubuntus theme too, but at least I emmediately know that it is Ubuntu when I see it, and that is very good from branding perspective. You can say that Ubuntu have found its identity. Regards Uno Engborg -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Webworks Sverige AB phone: +46 40 12 01 57 Kamrergatan 29 mobile: +46 70 594 27 21 S-211 56, Malm?, Sweden web: http://www.webworks.se -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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But Splashy doesn't allow to back from verbose to silent mode, as RHGB does :| . Dnia 12-12-2007, ?ro o godzinie 20:12 +0100, Uno Engborg pisze: > David Nielsen skrev: > > Em Qua, 2007-12-12 ?s 07:33 +0100, Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek escreveu: > > > >> Freedom? I think best symbol of freedom is pidgeon or statue of liberty > >> (or something like that). > >> > >> Maybe an city, like New York, the liberty statue and a pidgeon flying > >> over :] ? > >> > > > > That would be a downright insulting display of american nationalistic > > pride to plenty of people. > > > > We really need to select culturally neutral images, I for one, really > > like what we have in Fedora 8 and I would like to suggest keeping and > > working on perfecting it instead of replacing the artwork every 6 months > > entirely. > > > > - David > > > Yes, I really agree on both your statements. The Fedora 8 theme is the > first theme that have looked really professional in a long time. Lets keep > it and maybe polish it slightly. > > Keeping the same theme for several releases will also help to build the > brand. > A Rolls Royce model doesn't change appearance from one year to the next. > They don't need to as they sell a quality product, and it is good that > people > recognize it. The same should go for Fedora. Ubuntu have tried it, and > it seam > to work for them. > > The Fedora 8 theme would be a very good base for such a long lasting theme > as it is very neutral and businesslike. > > Regards > Uno Engborg > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list -- __ _ ___ Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek / _|___ __| |___ _ _ __ _ ( _ ) Fedora Project | _/ -_) _` / _ \ '_/ _` | / _ \ http://liviopl.jogger.pl/ |_| \___\__,_\___/_| \__,_| \___/ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: To jest cz??? wiadomo?ci podpisana cyfrowo URL: From luya_tfz at thefinalzone.com Wed Dec 12 19:49:30 2007 From: luya_tfz at thefinalzone.com (Luya Tshimbalanga) Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 11:49:30 -0800 Subject: Brief message Message-ID: <47603B4A.9070701@thefinalzone.com> I have been busy with a lot of assignment from Graphic Design classes. Even though I have written on the mail list much, I managed to follow the progress from Nodoka to drafts of Fedora 9 theme. For the Echo icons, after reading the discussion concerning colours blindness, the trick will be either a thicker outlines or testing these icons in gray to see if those people can see them. I should be able available near this week end. Luya -- ??D0 References: <1196610516.2681.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> <4753E74F.8080404@nicubunu.ro> <1197137460.3787.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> <475D0843.4090906@nicubunu.ro> Message-ID: <1197493634.2684.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> > > * Fedora Weekly News Any chance of getting a banner together for this before the next FWN release? If somebody could send me the source image of the newspaper used on the banner for fp.org/wiki/FWN I'd be happy to try and put something together myself again based on that. Best wishes, Jon > > * Documentation > > * Get Involved > From fedora-art at brej.org Wed Dec 12 21:21:54 2007 From: fedora-art at brej.org (Charlie Brej) Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 21:21:54 +0000 Subject: Nodoka rounded corners for the gtk progress bar In-Reply-To: <4738C937.10606@brej.org> References: <4738C937.10606@brej.org> Message-ID: <476050F2.2010805@brej.org> Charlie Brej wrote: > I made a small patch to give the progress bar rounded corners. Did anyone take a look at this? From martin.sourada at seznam.cz Wed Dec 12 22:10:24 2007 From: martin.sourada at seznam.cz (Martin Sourada) Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 23:10:24 +0100 Subject: Nodoka rounded corners for the gtk progress bar In-Reply-To: <476050F2.2010805@brej.org> References: <4738C937.10606@brej.org> <476050F2.2010805@brej.org> Message-ID: <1197497424.3014.16.camel@pc-notebook.kolej.mff.cuni.cz> On Wed, 2007-12-12 at 22:21 +0100, Charlie Brej wrote: > Charlie Brej wrote: > > I made a small patch to give the progress bar rounded corners. > Did anyone take a look at this? > Oh, sorry, I didn't have time yet (sort of busy time of year, will get better around Christmas)... I looked at the patch and at the screenshot and I like the not-rounded corners a little better, but I'd like to make them at least optional, or play a little with the idea. Still not finally decided about it, but be sure I have it in mind. Maybe it would be better to open a feature request at hosted [1] (so that it will be reminded to me every time I check track)? ;-) Or if you'd like to work on Nodoka more directly I can approve you into gitnodoka group so that you can commit patches yourself. Thanks, Martin References: [1] https://fedorahosted.org/nodoka/newticket From martin.sourada at seznam.cz Wed Dec 12 22:32:01 2007 From: martin.sourada at seznam.cz (Martin Sourada) Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 23:32:01 +0100 Subject: Nodoka: Focus Ring In-Reply-To: <1196526896.17913.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1196361890.4766.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1196515408.15447.8.camel@pc-notebook> <6e24a8e80712010811r3892f8d8x88e0eff481568218@mail.gmail.com> <1196526896.17913.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1197498721.3014.22.camel@pc-notebook.kolej.mff.cuni.cz> On Sat, 2007-12-01 at 17:34 +0100, Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek wrote: > You mean button's focus style or button's style? > Not replying to this very message, but couldn't find a better one... If you'd like to comment on the focus ring it would be nice to add your ideas to the enhancement [1] I created some time ago (and nearly forgot about it)... Oh, and I noticed that Clearlooks does not replace the dashed rectangle, only adds other way to display button focus rign... Bug or feature? };-) Thanks, Martin From martin.sourada at seznam.cz Wed Dec 12 22:53:12 2007 From: martin.sourada at seznam.cz (Martin Sourada) Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 23:53:12 +0100 Subject: Nodoka: Focus Ring In-Reply-To: <1197498721.3014.22.camel@pc-notebook.kolej.mff.cuni.cz> References: <1196361890.4766.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1196515408.15447.8.camel@pc-notebook> <6e24a8e80712010811r3892f8d8x88e0eff481568218@mail.gmail.com> <1196526896.17913.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1197498721.3014.22.camel@pc-notebook.kolej.mff.cuni.cz> Message-ID: <1197499992.3014.24.camel@pc-notebook.kolej.mff.cuni.cz> On Wed, 2007-12-12 at 23:32 +0100, Martin Sourada wrote: > On Sat, 2007-12-01 at 17:34 +0100, Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek wrote: > > You mean button's focus style or button's style? > > > > Not replying to this very message, but couldn't find a better one... > > If you'd like to comment on the focus ring it would be nice to add your > ideas to the enhancement [1] I created some time ago (and nearly forgot > about it)... > > Oh, and I noticed that Clearlooks does not replace the dashed rectangle, > only adds other way to display button focus rign... Bug or feature? };-) > > Thanks, > Martin > oups... clicked send too quickly here's the missing reference: [1] https://fedorahosted.org/nodoka/ticket/9 From liviopl.pl at gmail.com Thu Dec 13 06:09:04 2007 From: liviopl.pl at gmail.com (Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek) Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 07:09:04 +0100 Subject: Nodoka rounded corners for the gtk progress bar In-Reply-To: <1197497424.3014.16.camel@pc-notebook.kolej.mff.cuni.cz> References: <4738C937.10606@brej.org> <476050F2.2010805@brej.org> <1197497424.3014.16.camel@pc-notebook.kolej.mff.cuni.cz> Message-ID: <1197526144.2475.0.camel@camel> I also like the rectangular more. Dnia 12-12-2007, ?ro o godzinie 23:10 +0100, Martin Sourada pisze: > On Wed, 2007-12-12 at 22:21 +0100, Charlie Brej wrote: > > Charlie Brej wrote: > > > I made a small patch to give the progress bar rounded corners. > > Did anyone take a look at this? > > > > Oh, sorry, I didn't have time yet (sort of busy time of year, will get > better around Christmas)... I looked at the patch and at the screenshot > and I like the not-rounded corners a little better, but I'd like to make > them at least optional, or play a little with the idea. Still not > finally decided about it, but be sure I have it in mind. Maybe it would > be better to open a feature request at hosted [1] (so that it will be > reminded to me every time I check track)? ;-) > > Or if you'd like to work on Nodoka more directly I can approve you into > gitnodoka group so that you can commit patches yourself. > > Thanks, > Martin > > References: > [1] https://fedorahosted.org/nodoka/newticket > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list -- __ _ ___ Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek / _|___ __| |___ _ _ __ _ ( _ ) Fedora Project | _/ -_) _` / _ \ '_/ _` | / _ \ http://liviopl.jogger.pl/ |_| \___\__,_\___/_| \__,_| \___/ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: To jest cz??? wiadomo?ci podpisana cyfrowo URL: From liviopl.pl at gmail.com Thu Dec 13 06:10:07 2007 From: liviopl.pl at gmail.com (Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek) Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 07:10:07 +0100 Subject: Nodoka: Focus Ring In-Reply-To: <1197498721.3014.22.camel@pc-notebook.kolej.mff.cuni.cz> References: <1196361890.4766.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1196515408.15447.8.camel@pc-notebook> <6e24a8e80712010811r3892f8d8x88e0eff481568218@mail.gmail.com> <1196526896.17913.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1197498721.3014.22.camel@pc-notebook.kolej.mff.cuni.cz> Message-ID: <1197526208.2475.2.camel@camel> It's bug... I didn't see dotted border anywhere. Where did you see? If in Firefox, don't worry - it emulates GTK. Dnia 12-12-2007, ?ro o godzinie 23:32 +0100, Martin Sourada pisze: > On Sat, 2007-12-01 at 17:34 +0100, Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek wrote: > > You mean button's focus style or button's style? > > > > Not replying to this very message, but couldn't find a better one... > > If you'd like to comment on the focus ring it would be nice to add your > ideas to the enhancement [1] I created some time ago (and nearly forgot > about it)... > > Oh, and I noticed that Clearlooks does not replace the dashed rectangle, > only adds other way to display button focus rign... Bug or feature? };-) > > Thanks, > Martin > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list -- __ _ ___ Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek / _|___ __| |___ _ _ __ _ ( _ ) Fedora Project | _/ -_) _` / _ \ '_/ _` | / _ \ http://liviopl.jogger.pl/ |_| \___\__,_\___/_| \__,_| \___/ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: To jest cz??? wiadomo?ci podpisana cyfrowo URL: From nicolas.mailhot at laposte.net Wed Dec 12 17:35:56 2007 From: nicolas.mailhot at laposte.net (Nicolas Mailhot) Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 18:35:56 +0100 Subject: Argyll color management system integration Message-ID: <1197480956.22091.15.camel@rousalka.dyndns.org> Hi all, The FLOSS color management scene (calibrating screens for pictures or video) is very small. In fact there is only one reference application every other project depends on or compares itself to: Argyll CMS. Argyll is free, supports many common (commercial and do-it-yourself) color meters, has been actively developed for more than a decade. It was on the Fedora package wishlist. Unfortunately its main author is not following best release practises and has chosen to use a non-standard unmaintained make replacement (jam), with static linking, private copies of common libraries, and all kinds of things distributions are not fond of. As a result no first-level distribution shipped Argyll. Despite the fact every color management HOWTO on the net points to it. I started untangling the mess in October but gave up after a frustrating week. Fortunately I had the good idea to put the result on fedorapeople, and lately Fr?d?ric Crozat from Mandriva googled it and completed the work. On hindsight it seems I had stopped just short of the finish line. http://twinpeaks.dyndns.org/blog/general/2007/12/11/monitor-calibration-epilogue Since it'd be a shame to let my packaging work end up in Mandriva only, I picked up his package, changed back a few bits, added some stuff I had planned but not done yet, and pushed the result in the review queue: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=421921 I'd appreciate if a friendly reviewer looked at the result. The following work has been done: ? link against system libs, not built-in copies ? build with modular X ? remove the shell wrapper that was hiding build errors from rpm ? reorder build logic to fix those errors ? hal/pam/udev logic so colorimeters do not need root access The result is IMHO good enough to be merged. However, since this software has suffered from a secluded life due to the aforementioned problems, it would probably be a good idea if more clueful people than me checked the following points: ? go over the build logs, ?check if the warnings are really harmless and fix the code if needed (where is the list of people that wanted to do this kind of work a few months ago?) http://nim.fedorapeople.org/argyllcms/build.log I doubt argyllcms was ever built with a modern gcc with all the fancy options we use and for all the architectures we target ? check if I got the hal/pam/udev logic right, push bits upstream if needed (I didn't find two Fedora packages that did it the same way, all I can say the way I did it works on my system) ? check if upstream didn't mess up licensing as it did the code Then we'll have one key app for photographers and video buffs nailed, and there will only be the matter of pushing fixes upstream. Regards, -- Nicolas Mailhot -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 197 bytes Desc: Ceci est une partie de message num?riquement sign?e URL: From berrange at redhat.com Wed Dec 12 17:46:58 2007 From: berrange at redhat.com (Daniel P. Berrange) Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 17:46:58 +0000 Subject: Argyll color management system integration In-Reply-To: <1197480956.22091.15.camel@rousalka.dyndns.org> References: <1197480956.22091.15.camel@rousalka.dyndns.org> Message-ID: <20071212174658.GD978@redhat.com> On Wed, Dec 12, 2007 at 06:35:56PM +0100, Nicolas Mailhot wrote: > I started untangling the mess in October but gave up after a frustrating > week. Fortunately I had the good idea to put the result on fedorapeople, > and lately Fr?d?ric Crozat from Mandriva googled it and completed the > work. On hindsight it seems I had stopped just short of the finish line. > http://twinpeaks.dyndns.org/blog/general/2007/12/11/monitor-calibration-epilogue > > Since it'd be a shame to let my packaging work end up in Mandriva only, > I picked up his package, changed back a few bits, added some stuff I had > planned but not done yet, and pushed the result in the review queue: > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=421921 > > I'd appreciate if a friendly reviewer looked at the result. I've had a crack at packaging argylcms too but also gave up with the crazy JAM and static linking stuff. I'll give your packages a once-over. > The following work has been done: > ??? link against system libs, not built-in copies > ??? build with modular X > ??? remove the shell wrapper that was hiding build errors from rpm > ??? reorder build logic to fix those errors > ??? hal/pam/udev logic so colorimeters do not need root access > > The result is IMHO good enough to be merged. However, since this > software has suffered from a secluded life due to the aforementioned > problems, it would probably be a good idea if more clueful people than > me checked the following points: > > ??? go over the build logs, ???check if the warnings are really harmless and > fix the code if needed (where is the list of people that wanted to do > this kind of work a few months ago?) > http://nim.fedorapeople.org/argyllcms/build.log > I doubt argyllcms was ever built with a modern gcc with all the fancy > options we use and for all the architectures we target > > ??? check if I got the hal/pam/udev logic right, push bits upstream if > needed (I didn't find two Fedora packages that did it the same way, all > I can say the way I did it works on my system) I've got a Optix XR instrument which I can test the udev bits with. Dan. -- |=- Red Hat, Engineering, Emerging Technologies, Boston. +1 978 392 2496 -=| |=- Perl modules: http://search.cpan.org/~danberr/ -=| |=- Projects: http://freshmeat.net/~danielpb/ -=| |=- GnuPG: 7D3B9505 F3C9 553F A1DA 4AC2 5648 23C1 B3DF F742 7D3B 9505 -=| From nicolas.mailhot at laposte.net Wed Dec 12 18:12:09 2007 From: nicolas.mailhot at laposte.net (Nicolas Mailhot) Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 19:12:09 +0100 Subject: Argyll color management system integration In-Reply-To: <20071212174658.GD978@redhat.com> References: <1197480956.22091.15.camel@rousalka.dyndns.org> <20071212174658.GD978@redhat.com> Message-ID: <1197483129.22526.3.camel@rousalka.dyndns.org> Le mercredi 12 d?cembre 2007 ? 17:46 +0000, Daniel P. Berrange a ?crit : > I've had a crack at packaging argylcms too but also gave up with the crazy > JAM and static linking stuff. I'll give your packages a once-over. Many thanks! > > ??? check if I got the hal/pam/udev logic right, push bits upstream if > > needed (I didn't find two Fedora packages that did it the same way, all > > I can say the way I did it works on my system) > > I've got a Optix XR instrument which I can test the udev bits with. Same as me then, would be good to have testers with other hardware. Regards, -- Nicolas Mailhot -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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In a serious tone, I think the third design is too busy: it have a lot of unnecessary elements: the wall plate, the window, even the walls (the walls are supposed to be blue?). Even the chain broken in *two* places is redundant. I think the second design works better as a metaphor. -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Thu Dec 13 07:11:17 2007 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 09:11:17 +0200 Subject: Link for official F9 theme proposal In-Reply-To: <200712121509.38512.ljuwaida@fedoraproject.org> References: <475C96F1.9030808@gmail.com> <1197441187.2393.3.camel@camel> <475F8377.4090200@gmail.com> <200712121509.38512.ljuwaida@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <4760DB15.4000600@nicubunu.ro> Laith Juwaidah wrote: > > And the thing is: Are users ready for 3D computer generated graphics? We already had such themes: DNA, the theme from Fedora Core 6, was 3D graphics, made with Blender by Mola. Also, we had a few proposals for F7 made with Blender. "Infinity" was selected in the end, but "Moon" (http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/F8theme-moon) was a strong candidate. > Maybe a scene from nature with a huge space can mean freedom too, and it is > more comon, not that I suggest this[1] (the downloads have reached 80,000+), > but something similar, well, a morning version would be great :P Back in the F7 process when Mo proposed the "Infinity" concept she came with a few ideas, and one of them was about nature scenes. However, I think we tend to prefer computer generated images instead of photos as one of our goals it to showcase made with own tools, this was one of the things we are proud about F7: for the first time the theming was made completely using FOSS tools. > Check out the highest rated wallpaper at kde-look.org[2], I didn't go to the > second page, but the top 15 (the first page) are all natural scenes, that > means that people like this kind of wallpapers.... I don't want to sound rude, but such an user rating is not the best criteria for judgment. Otherwise, we will put as wallpaper some anime soft porn and get instantly huge user ratings. -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Thu Dec 13 07:20:14 2007 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 09:20:14 +0200 Subject: Ubuntu Hardy Heron's theme In-Reply-To: <1197397095.2901.1.camel@camel> References: <200712111348.27642.ljuwaida@fedoraproject.org> <1197384346.2356.6.camel@camel> <200712112059.35452.ljuwaida@fedoraproject.org> <1197397095.2901.1.camel@camel> Message-ID: <4760DD2E.1000701@nicubunu.ro> Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek wrote: > Fedora 9 will also be beautiful (RHGB must be themeable or I will die > when seeing theme with Echo icons, I think), without > super-hyper-mockups. There are rumors about RHGB going to die and a replacement for it, but I don't know if it will make F9 - http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/FeatureBetterStartup -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Thu Dec 13 07:35:52 2007 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 09:35:52 +0200 Subject: Ubuntu Hardy Heron's theme In-Reply-To: <200712120155.20443.ljuwaida@fedoraproject.org> References: <200712111348.27642.ljuwaida@fedoraproject.org> <1197408149.5304.0.camel@camel> <1197408952.2673.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> <200712120155.20443.ljuwaida@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <4760E0D8.5040601@nicubunu.ro> Laith Juwaidah wrote: > I know this is way off topic, but I really wanna know, do you, opensource fans > (not that I'm not), not use mp3? Is your music collection in ogg format? And I know I should let this offtopic thread end, but is something I have to point out: not everybody here is an Open Source fan, some are Free Software fans - is important to note this, as you can have an Open Source application which is not Free, the software patents conflicts with GPL, not with OSI. Personally, when I rip something I use ogg (my hard drive is not big enough for flac) but when I get something from other source I leave it as mp3. > to make it completely off topic, any good converters? Hahaha, just kidding :D You can't technically have a good converter, transcoding between lossy formats will affect the quality. -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From michael.d.beckwith at gmail.com Thu Dec 13 07:32:48 2007 From: michael.d.beckwith at gmail.com (Michael Beckwith) Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 01:32:48 -0600 Subject: Link for official F9 theme proposal In-Reply-To: <4760D804.9080909@nicubunu.ro> References: <475C96F1.9030808@gmail.com> <475CF909.60708@nicubunu.ro> <475F6782.1080504@gmail.com> <4760D804.9080909@nicubunu.ro> Message-ID: <4760E020.1040105@gmail.com> I have to agree with you for the most part regarding the 2nd one. Simple, more abstract, works well with the metaphor I'm presenting and has some potential for animated colors. I think I'll stick to these three and hope my idea gets to the next round. Nicu Buculei wrote: > Michael Beckwith wrote: >> Updated the theme page with two more visual ideas. >> >> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/F9Themes/Freedom > > I noticed (but was too busy to talk about it earlier) the initial > design does not allow easily the background animation. You added a > window to the wall for this... If it is a jail window, maybe it should > have some bars? > > In a serious tone, I think the third design is too busy: it have a lot > of unnecessary elements: the wall plate, the window, even the walls > (the walls are supposed to be blue?). Even the chain broken in *two* > places is redundant. I think the second design works better as a > metaphor. > -- ~Michael http://ridleytx.structed.net (for now) http://michaelbox.net (eventually) From martin.sourada at seznam.cz Thu Dec 13 08:15:01 2007 From: martin.sourada at seznam.cz (Martin Sourada) Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 09:15:01 +0100 Subject: Nodoka: Focus Ring In-Reply-To: <1197526208.2475.2.camel@camel> References: <1196361890.4766.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1196515408.15447.8.camel@pc-notebook> <6e24a8e80712010811r3892f8d8x88e0eff481568218@mail.gmail.com> <1196526896.17913.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1197498721.3014.22.camel@pc-notebook.kolej.mff.cuni.cz> <1197526208.2475.2.camel@camel> Message-ID: <1197533701.2907.2.camel@pc-notebook.kolej.mff.cuni.cz> On Thu, 2007-12-13 at 07:10 +0100, Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek wrote: > It's bug... I didn't see dotted border anywhere. Where did you see? > If in Firefox, don't worry - it emulates GTK. > I don't use firefox... and when I was working on getting the nodoka engine finished it caused me some pain. The GTK stuff in firefox is really done very strange. Strange enough I now don't see any other ways of showing focus ring in clearlooks other then the dotted rectangle... I wonder what I did since yesterday... Martin From jonathan.roberts.uk at googlemail.com Thu Dec 13 10:18:48 2007 From: jonathan.roberts.uk at googlemail.com (Jonathan Roberts) Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 10:18:48 +0000 Subject: [Fwd: Re: Banners] Message-ID: <1197541128.2681.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> > On Wed, 2007-12-12 at 21:07 +0000, Jonathan Roberts wrote: > > > > * Fedora Weekly News > > > > Any chance of getting a banner together for this before the next FWN > > release? If somebody could send me the source image of the newspaper > > used on the banner for fp.org/wiki/FWN I'd be happy to try and put > > something together myself again based on that. OK, I had a go (but it is a little plain I think, maybe this can be inspiration for somebody else!) and you can find it here: http://questionsplease.org/fedora/fedorawn.svg http://questionsplease.org/fedora/fedorawn.png I should probably have checked that people were interested in getting this up somewhere on the site for the FWN releases first! Was basing this on a request buried deep in the archives[1] now to see some banners get put together, so I figured I'd make a start... Jon [1] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-marketing-list/2007-November/msg00257.html From ljuwaida at fedoraproject.org Thu Dec 13 11:22:04 2007 From: ljuwaida at fedoraproject.org (Laith Juwaidah) Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 15:22:04 +0400 Subject: Link for official F9 theme proposal In-Reply-To: <4760DB15.4000600@nicubunu.ro> References: <475C96F1.9030808@gmail.com> <200712121509.38512.ljuwaida@fedoraproject.org> <4760DB15.4000600@nicubunu.ro> Message-ID: <200712131522.04742.ljuwaida@fedoraproject.org> On Thursday 13 December 2007 11:11:17 Nicu Buculei wrote: > Laith Juwaidah wrote: > > And the thing is: Are users ready for 3D computer generated graphics? > > We already had such themes: DNA, the theme from Fedora Core 6, was 3D > graphics, made with Blender by Mola. > Also, we had a few proposals for F7 made with Blender. "Infinity" was > selected in the end, but "Moon" > (http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/F8theme-moon) was a strong candidate. WOW! Moon looks awesome!!!! I think I just got an inpired by it, I'll see if I can come up with some wallpaper. > > > Maybe a scene from nature with a huge space can mean freedom too, and it > > is more comon, not that I suggest this[1] (the downloads have reached > > 80,000+), but something similar, well, a morning version would be great > > :P > > Back in the F7 process when Mo proposed the "Infinity" concept she came > with a few ideas, and one of them was about nature scenes. > However, I think we tend to prefer computer generated images instead of > photos as one of our goals it to showcase made with own tools, this was > one of the things we are proud about F7: for the first time the theming > was made completely using FOSS tools. The balloons? Humm... Never knew that! > > > Check out the highest rated wallpaper at kde-look.org[2], I didn't go to > > the second page, but the top 15 (the first page) are all natural scenes, > > that means that people like this kind of wallpapers.... > > I don't want to sound rude, but such an user rating is not the best > criteria for judgment. Otherwise, we will put as wallpaper some anime > soft porn and get instantly huge user ratings. Hahahahah! Not rude at all :P Cheers! -- Laith Juwaidah http://www.ljuwaidah.org/ From liviopl.pl at gmail.com Thu Dec 13 13:38:48 2007 From: liviopl.pl at gmail.com (Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek) Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 14:38:48 +0100 Subject: Nodoka: Focus Ring In-Reply-To: <1197533701.2907.2.camel@pc-notebook.kolej.mff.cuni.cz> References: <1196361890.4766.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1196515408.15447.8.camel@pc-notebook> <6e24a8e80712010811r3892f8d8x88e0eff481568218@mail.gmail.com> <1196526896.17913.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1197498721.3014.22.camel@pc-notebook.kolej.mff.cuni.cz> <1197526208.2475.2.camel@camel> <1197533701.2907.2.camel@pc-notebook.kolej.mff.cuni.cz> Message-ID: <1197553128.2702.0.camel@camel> Hey, you're not using Clearlooks from SVN :> . Dnia 13-12-2007, czw o godzinie 09:15 +0100, Martin Sourada pisze: > On Thu, 2007-12-13 at 07:10 +0100, Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek wrote: > > It's bug... I didn't see dotted border anywhere. Where did you see? > > If in Firefox, don't worry - it emulates GTK. > > > I don't use firefox... and when I was working on getting the nodoka > engine finished it caused me some pain. The GTK stuff in firefox is > really done very strange. Strange enough I now don't see any other ways > of showing focus ring in clearlooks other then the dotted rectangle... I > wonder what I did since yesterday... > > Martin > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list -- __ _ ___ Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek / _|___ __| |___ _ _ __ _ ( _ ) Fedora Project | _/ -_) _` / _ \ '_/ _` | / _ \ http://liviopl.jogger.pl/ |_| \___\__,_\___/_| \__,_| \___/ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Dnia 13-12-2007, czw o godzinie 09:15 +0100, Martin Sourada pisze: > On Thu, 2007-12-13 at 07:10 +0100, Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek wrote: > > It's bug... I didn't see dotted border anywhere. Where did you see? > > If in Firefox, don't worry - it emulates GTK. > > > I don't use firefox... and when I was working on getting the nodoka > engine finished it caused me some pain. The GTK stuff in firefox is > really done very strange. Strange enough I now don't see any other ways > of showing focus ring in clearlooks other then the dotted rectangle... I > wonder what I did since yesterday... > > Martin > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list -- __ _ ___ Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek / _|___ __| |___ _ _ __ _ ( _ ) Fedora Project | _/ -_) _` / _ \ '_/ _` | / _ \ http://liviopl.jogger.pl/ |_| \___\__,_\___/_| \__,_| \___/ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Humm... Never knew that! I am *stupid*. I wanted to write F8 in all the above statements. F7's Flying High was mostly Diana's Photoshop. -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Fri Dec 14 08:36:11 2007 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 10:36:11 +0200 Subject: [Fwd: Re: Banners] In-Reply-To: <1197541128.2681.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1197541128.2681.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <4762407B.4020604@nicubunu.ro> Jonathan Roberts wrote: > OK, I had a go (but it is a little plain I think, maybe this can be > inspiration for somebody else!) and you can find it here: > > http://questionsplease.org/fedora/fedorawn.svg > > http://questionsplease.org/fedora/fedorawn.png I think this isn't what you expected, but: - I don't like the "Weekly News" font, it looks like you resized the height; - I know this is a repeat of my design and choice when I made the 468x60 banners for the wiki, but maybe "fedora" should be replaced with the wordmark with the correct typeface (I made the choice back then because I wanted more text on the same font face and the official font is not free); - maybe some play with colors on the text, a drop shadow and some texture for background? - this is my favorite style and may not be the best thing: I like when parts of the subject (the newspaper here) get out of the image. > I should probably have checked that people were interested in getting > this up somewhere on the site for the FWN releases first! Was basing > this on a request buried deep in the archives[1] now to see some banners > get put together, so I figured I'd make a start... -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From jonathan.roberts.uk at googlemail.com Fri Dec 14 09:52:04 2007 From: jonathan.roberts.uk at googlemail.com (Jonathan Roberts) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 09:52:04 +0000 Subject: [Fwd: Re: Banners] In-Reply-To: <4762407B.4020604@nicubunu.ro> References: <1197541128.2681.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> <4762407B.4020604@nicubunu.ro> Message-ID: <1197625924.2686.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Fri, 2007-12-14 at 10:36 +0200, Nicu Buculei wrote: > Jonathan Roberts wrote: > > OK, I had a go (but it is a little plain I think, maybe this can be > > inspiration for somebody else!) and you can find it here: > > > > http://questionsplease.org/fedora/fedorawn.svg > > > > http://questionsplease.org/fedora/fedorawn.png > > I think this isn't what you expected, Heh all feedback is welcome. *I'm not an artist* but I do have some spare time these few weeks so thought I'd try and help out a bit. It's fun to learn new stuff and get advice from people who know way more than me! > but: > - I don't like the "Weekly News" font, it looks like you resized the height; > - I know this is a repeat of my design and choice when I made the 468x60 > banners for the wiki, but maybe "fedora" should be replaced with the > wordmark with the correct typeface (I made the choice back then because > I wanted more text on the same font face and the official font is not free); > - maybe some play with colors on the text, a drop shadow and some > texture for background? > - this is my favorite style and may not be the best thing: I like when > parts of the subject (the newspaper here) get out of the image. I'll take a look over your comments later and have a play with it and see what I can come up with. Thanks for taking the time to look at it though and give me some tips :D Best, Jon From jspaleta at gmail.com Fri Dec 14 22:27:37 2007 From: jspaleta at gmail.com (Jeff Spaleta) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 13:27:37 -0900 Subject: Link for official F9 theme proposal In-Reply-To: <1197463468.2732.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <475C96F1.9030808@gmail.com> <475CF909.60708@nicubunu.ro> <475F6782.1080504@gmail.com> <1197441187.2393.3.camel@camel> <1197463468.2732.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <604aa7910712141427k436a08f7if76cb2d22efaaaf7@mail.gmail.com> On Dec 12, 2007 3:44 AM, David Nielsen wrote: > I for one, really like what we have in Fedora 8 and I would like to suggest keeping and > working on perfecting it instead of replacing the artwork every 6 months > entirely. Without making a judgment as to the quality or attractiveness of any release's artwork.... I would say that making the default desktop image distinctly different from at least the previous release helps immensely from a release marketting perspective. The default desktop image is the most identifiable thing when skimming screenshots in something like a review or across-the-room glances when using computers in public spaces. High quality isn't good enough to catch the eye from release to release, releases need to be visually distinctive in order to imply "new hotness" -jef"i think the chain motif is too close in terms of dominant shapes to the dna motif previously used"spaleta From liviopl.pl at gmail.com Sat Dec 15 21:11:15 2007 From: liviopl.pl at gmail.com (Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek) Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2007 22:11:15 +0100 Subject: GDM Idea Message-ID: <1197753075.6856.3.camel@camel> Hi, I'm coming with GDM-styling idea. SUSE said some words about it [1] I think we should provide two GDM themes: * userlist only (default) * entry (available as option) Also, I think we should change our GDM style to have more transparency (less opacity :> ). Something looking like one of their (SUSE's) mockups [1] or SLiM' default theme [2] would be very nice :) . Say what you think. Bye. 1| http://en.opensuse.org/Branding_Overview:os10.3:GDM 2| http://slim.berlios.de/images/slim01.jpg -- __ _ ___ Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek / _|___ __| |___ _ _ __ _ ( _ ) Fedora Project | _/ -_) _` / _ \ '_/ _` | / _ \ http://liviopl.jogger.pl/ |_| \___\__,_\___/_| \__,_| \___/ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Bye. > > > > > 1| http://en.opensuse.org/Branding_Overview:os10.3:GDM > 2| http://slim.berlios.de/images/slim01.jpg +1 I really like SuSE's menu-based login screen -- Laith Juwaidah http://www.ljuwaidah.org/ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part. URL: From markg85 at gmail.com Sat Dec 15 21:35:41 2007 From: markg85 at gmail.com (Mark) Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2007 13:35:41 -0800 Subject: GDM Idea In-Reply-To: <1197753075.6856.3.camel@camel> References: <1197753075.6856.3.camel@camel> Message-ID: <6e24a8e80712151335m174b3f3q3072a611ca64a787@mail.gmail.com> > Something looking like one of their (SUSE's) mockups [1] or SLiM' > default theme [2] would be very nice :) . > > Say what you think. Bye. I like the idea of suse and fedora should have that. Also with the idea to change login manager.. i think that's very good to do. I'm currently using SLiM (on Arch Linux.. i dropped fedora for a while to see what else is around) and i'm impressed by the simplicity and speed of SLiM. the background is appearing a lot faster than GDM (in gdm you can mainly see the image building up.. even on high end systems) in SLiM it's just there.. no notable building up stuff (perhaps SLiM has better memory usage?). Than adjusting the slim boot selection (kde, gnome, xfce etc) is easy as well! The only think i miss in SLiM is a poweroff and restart option (haven't looked into it so it might be a hidden key combination..?). And about hte F8 GDM theme... the idea is good.. the result is far from it (sorry for the developer of the theme) it looks like a quick theme (in looks) and is WAY to blue! I sure hope that this is gonna change to a professional (looking) theme in Fedora 9. From martin.sourada at seznam.cz Sat Dec 15 21:44:07 2007 From: martin.sourada at seznam.cz (Martin Sourada) Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2007 22:44:07 +0100 Subject: GDM Idea In-Reply-To: <6e24a8e80712151335m174b3f3q3072a611ca64a787@mail.gmail.com> References: <1197753075.6856.3.camel@camel> <6e24a8e80712151335m174b3f3q3072a611ca64a787@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1197755047.7633.9.camel@pc-notebook> > I like the idea of suse and fedora should have that. > Also with the idea to change login manager.. i think that's very good > to do. I'm currently using SLiM (on Arch Linux.. i dropped fedora for > a while to see what else is around) and i'm impressed by the > simplicity and speed of SLiM. the background is appearing a lot faster > than GDM (in gdm you can mainly see the image building up.. even on > high end systems) in SLiM it's just there.. no notable building up > stuff (perhaps SLiM has better memory usage?). Than adjusting the slim > boot selection (kde, gnome, xfce etc) is easy as well! The only think > i miss in SLiM is a poweroff and restart option (haven't looked into > it so it might be a hidden key combination..?). > I am for staying with GDM. At least it has great GNOME community behind and currently it's being rewrited [1][2]. > And about hte F8 GDM theme... the idea is good.. the result is far > from it (sorry for the developer of the theme) it looks like a quick > theme (in looks) and is WAY to blue! > > I sure hope that this is gonna change to a professional (looking) > theme in Fedora 9. > We will have different GDM theme in F-9. But it's gonna fit the F-9 theme, so if the F-9 theme will be professional looking there would be great probability for GDM to be professional looking as well. Martin References: [1] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/NewGdm [2] http://live.gnome.org/GDM/NewDesign -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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The default desktop image is the most > identifiable thing when skimming screenshots in something like a > review or across-the-room glances when using computers in public > spaces. High quality isn't good enough to catch the eye from release > to release, releases need to be visually distinctive in order to imply > "new hotness" > Yes, making changes markets the new release. Not changing it, helps market the Fedora brand, as people will recognize Fedora when they see it regardless of what release it is. High quality have been enough to promote e.g. Ubuntu. I think you have too little faith in that Fedora developers will be able to provide the novelties and increase in polish of each new release to make people upgrade. 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Let me know so we can all look for each other. -- John (J5) Palmieri From liviopl.pl at gmail.com Sat Dec 15 22:16:18 2007 From: liviopl.pl at gmail.com (Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek) Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2007 23:16:18 +0100 Subject: GDM Idea In-Reply-To: <6e24a8e80712151335m174b3f3q3072a611ca64a787@mail.gmail.com> References: <1197753075.6856.3.camel@camel> <6e24a8e80712151335m174b3f3q3072a611ca64a787@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1197756978.2272.1.camel@camel> Where did I said about changing display manager? I just mentioned SLiM's theme (which has one image from Ximian Desktop 2). Dnia 15-12-2007, sob o godzinie 13:35 -0800, Mark pisze: > > Something looking like one of their (SUSE's) mockups [1] or SLiM' > > default theme [2] would be very nice :) . > > > > Say what you think. Bye. > > I like the idea of suse and fedora should have that. > Also with the idea to change login manager.. i think that's very good > to do. I'm currently using SLiM (on Arch Linux.. i dropped fedora for > a while to see what else is around) and i'm impressed by the > simplicity and speed of SLiM. the background is appearing a lot faster > than GDM (in gdm you can mainly see the image building up.. even on > high end systems) in SLiM it's just there.. no notable building up > stuff (perhaps SLiM has better memory usage?). Than adjusting the slim > boot selection (kde, gnome, xfce etc) is easy as well! The only think > i miss in SLiM is a poweroff and restart option (haven't looked into > it so it might be a hidden key combination..?). > > And about hte F8 GDM theme... the idea is good.. the result is far > from it (sorry for the developer of the theme) it looks like a quick > theme (in looks) and is WAY to blue! > > I sure hope that this is gonna change to a professional (looking) > theme in Fedora 9. > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list -- __ _ ___ Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek / _|___ __| |___ _ _ __ _ ( _ ) Fedora Project | _/ -_) _` / _ \ '_/ _` | / _ \ http://liviopl.jogger.pl/ |_| \___\__,_\___/_| \__,_| \___/ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I'm currently using SLiM (on Arch Linux.. i dropped fedora for > > a while to see what else is around) and i'm impressed by the > > simplicity and speed of SLiM. the background is appearing a lot faster > > than GDM (in gdm you can mainly see the image building up.. even on > > high end systems) in SLiM it's just there.. no notable building up > > stuff (perhaps SLiM has better memory usage?). Than adjusting the slim > > boot selection (kde, gnome, xfce etc) is easy as well! The only think > > i miss in SLiM is a poweroff and restart option (haven't looked into > > it so it might be a hidden key combination..?). > > > I am for staying with GDM. At least it has great GNOME community behind > and currently it's being rewrited [1][2]. > > > And about hte F8 GDM theme... the idea is good.. the result is far > > from it (sorry for the developer of the theme) it looks like a quick > > theme (in looks) and is WAY to blue! > > > > I sure hope that this is gonna change to a professional (looking) > > theme in Fedora 9. > > > We will have different GDM theme in F-9. But it's gonna fit the F-9 > theme, so if the F-9 theme will be professional looking there would be > great probability for GDM to be professional looking as well. > > Martin > > References: > [1] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/NewGdm > [2] http://live.gnome.org/GDM/NewDesign > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list -- __ _ ___ Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek / _|___ __| |___ _ _ __ _ ( _ ) Fedora Project | _/ -_) _` / _ \ '_/ _` | / _ \ http://liviopl.jogger.pl/ |_| \___\__,_\___/_| \__,_| \___/ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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But it's gonna fit the F-9 > theme, so if the F-9 theme will be professional looking there would be > great probability for GDM to be professional looking as well. > > Martin > > References: > [1] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/NewGdm > [2] http://live.gnome.org/GDM/NewDesign The Gnome theme looks professional and good (for what is done of it) and simply needs to be further completed (like the taskbar and menu style) for F9 (my opinion). The GDM background is wonderful as well.. the rest just isn't. @Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek yea make some mockups! i would like to see new idea's. but basing them on the current nodoka theme might be the bast place to start (so that leaves mockups for: notifications, start menu, menubar(s) and some gnome applets (like network, battery and sound)). From liviopl.pl at gmail.com Sat Dec 15 23:08:55 2007 From: liviopl.pl at gmail.com (Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek) Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2007 00:08:55 +0100 Subject: GDM Idea In-Reply-To: <6e24a8e80712151504yd540444t236a33206f6f80e6@mail.gmail.com> References: <1197753075.6856.3.camel@camel> <6e24a8e80712151335m174b3f3q3072a611ca64a787@mail.gmail.com> <1197755047.7633.9.camel@pc-notebook> <6e24a8e80712151504yd540444t236a33206f6f80e6@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1197760135.3568.1.camel@camel> I'll use Nodoka in mockups - I like it very much, but Martin knows, I'm waiting for new focus indicator :) . I'll try to make mockups of wallpaper, gdm, rhgb/system-splash-etc and lock dialog (why it's not styled anymore?). Dnia 15-12-2007, sob o godzinie 15:04 -0800, Mark pisze: > > We will have different GDM theme in F-9. But it's gonna fit the F-9 > > theme, so if the F-9 theme will be professional looking there would be > > great probability for GDM to be professional looking as well. > > > > Martin > > > > References: > > [1] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/NewGdm > > [2] http://live.gnome.org/GDM/NewDesign > > The Gnome theme looks professional and good (for what is done of it) > and simply needs to be further completed (like the taskbar and menu > style) for F9 (my opinion). The GDM background is wonderful as well.. > the rest just isn't. > > @Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek > yea make some mockups! i would like to see new idea's. but basing them > on the current nodoka theme might be the bast place to start (so that > leaves mockups for: notifications, start menu, menubar(s) and some > gnome applets (like network, battery and sound)). > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list -- __ _ ___ Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek / _|___ __| |___ _ _ __ _ ( _ ) Fedora Project | _/ -_) _` / _ \ '_/ _` | / _ \ http://liviopl.jogger.pl/ |_| \___\__,_\___/_| \__,_| \___/ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: To jest cz??? wiadomo?ci podpisana cyfrowo URL: From michael.d.beckwith at gmail.com Sat Dec 15 23:10:33 2007 From: michael.d.beckwith at gmail.com (Michael Beckwith) Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2007 17:10:33 -0600 Subject: Anyone from the art team going to FUDCon? In-Reply-To: <1197757107.7437.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1197757107.7437.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <47645EE9.8030207@gmail.com> I would go if I was in the area, but alas South Dakota has me whipped John (J5) Palmieri wrote: > I would like to meet with anyone if they are going. Let me know so we > can all look for each other. > > -- ~Michael http://ridleytx.structed.net (for now) http://michaelbox.net (eventually) From jspaleta at gmail.com Sun Dec 16 00:05:07 2007 From: jspaleta at gmail.com (Jeff Spaleta) Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2007 15:05:07 -0900 Subject: Link for official F9 theme proposal In-Reply-To: <47644DAC.5000503@webworks.se> References: <475C96F1.9030808@gmail.com> <475CF909.60708@nicubunu.ro> <475F6782.1080504@gmail.com> <1197441187.2393.3.camel@camel> <1197463468.2732.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> <604aa7910712141427k436a08f7if76cb2d22efaaaf7@mail.gmail.com> <47644DAC.5000503@webworks.se> Message-ID: <604aa7910712151605ue136fafgd237f07bf7212e6f@mail.gmail.com> On Dec 15, 2007 12:57 PM, Uno Engborg wrote: > Yes, making changes markets the new release. Not changing it, helps > market the Fedora brand, as people will recognize Fedora when they see > it regardless > of what release it is. The desktop background is not branding. The logo and the fedora wordmark graphics are the branding elements. It's not a good idea to confuse the two. In fact we've started making it a point to NOT use the Fedora branding elements in the default desktop artwork to make it easier for the artwork it to be re-used in derivative distributions. > > High quality have been enough to promote e.g. Ubuntu. Since neither of us are in a position to make informed remarks on the topic of what is and is not sufficient to promote other distributions, I'll refrain from commenting.. other than to stress that the goals of Fedora as a project are not the goals of Ubuntu. So it stands to reason that while we as a community can certainly learn from their successes, we cannot simply mimic what they do because our goals are not the same. > I think you have too > little faith in that Fedora developers will be able to provide the > novelties and increase > in polish of each new release to make people upgrade. You are questioning my faith in this process and this community? That's a pretty aggressive way to open your side of a conversation with me, the first such conversation. You should consider using a less accusatory style which fosters forward looking collaboration. Speaking of forwad looking.... to me the heart and soul of Fedora is not about "polish"... its not about putting the finishing touches on a product and pretending that this release could be "the" release that has to see the last significant improvement and from this point in we're just going to be grinding out "polish". It's about driving innovation. It's about not being afraid to disrupt the status-quo, even if it means short-term negatives, in exchange for dramatic long benefit for the wider open source ecosystem. From release to release we see significant shifts in underlying technology (desktop oriented technology even), and I think the most visible and recognizable element of the desktop should change accordingly to make it drop-dead-easy for people to notice that the screencast video they are watching or they screenshots they are looking at in a tutorial is from a specific release of Fedora, to minimize the confusion as to which release works like in the video or screenshot they saw. -jef"don't make me turn this car around"spaleta From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Sun Dec 16 10:01:14 2007 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2007 15:31:14 +0530 Subject: Link for official F9 theme proposal In-Reply-To: <4760D804.9080909@nicubunu.ro> References: <475C96F1.9030808@gmail.com> <475CF909.60708@nicubunu.ro> <475F6782.1080504@gmail.com> <4760D804.9080909@nicubunu.ro> Message-ID: <4764F76A.1080209@fedoraproject.org> Nicu Buculei wrote: > Michael Beckwith wrote: >> Updated the theme page with two more visual ideas. >> >> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/F9Themes/Freedom > > I noticed (but was too busy to talk about it earlier) the initial design > does not allow easily the background animation. You added a window to > the wall for this... If it is a jail window, maybe it should have some > bars? If we are going to use the animation feature in Fedora 9 (I think we should. A lot of people commented on it, some thought Fedora broke their monitor and it probably will be in upstream GNOME), then a chain slowly breaking free over time might be a cool thing. Rahul From liviopl.pl at gmail.com Sun Dec 16 12:52:13 2007 From: liviopl.pl at gmail.com (Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek) Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2007 13:52:13 +0100 Subject: Foxtrot icon theme Message-ID: <1197809533.4098.6.camel@camel> Hi, I like Foxtrot icon theme, so I've created two diff's which can make creating Foxtrot-styled icons easier. First patch is diff [1] between Tango! folder SVG [2] and Foxtrot folder SVG [3]. Second is diff [4] between Tango! back arrow SVG [5] and Foxtrot arrow SVG [6]. I hope I helped you out. With these you can generate all icons (all are created using Inkscape and then exported to PNG). Patched aren't perfect but it's first step to replace Tangoish colors with Foxtrotish ;) . Bye. 1| http://phpfi.com/283550 2| http://phpfi.com/283551 3| http://phpfi.com/283553 4| http://phpfi.com/283555 5| http://phpfi.com/283556 6| http://phpfi.com/283557 -- __ _ ___ Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek / _|___ __| |___ _ _ __ _ ( _ ) Fedora Project | _/ -_) _` / _ \ '_/ _` | / _ \ http://liviopl.jogger.pl/ |_| \___\__,_\___/_| \__,_| \___/ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: To jest cz??? wiadomo?ci podpisana cyfrowo URL: From stickster at gmail.com Sun Dec 16 15:39:19 2007 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2007 10:39:19 -0500 Subject: Link for official F9 theme proposal In-Reply-To: <4764F76A.1080209@fedoraproject.org> References: <475C96F1.9030808@gmail.com> <475CF909.60708@nicubunu.ro> <475F6782.1080504@gmail.com> <4760D804.9080909@nicubunu.ro> <4764F76A.1080209@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <1197819559.23760.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Sun, 2007-12-16 at 15:31 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > Nicu Buculei wrote: > > Michael Beckwith wrote: > >> Updated the theme page with two more visual ideas. > >> > >> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/F9Themes/Freedom > > > > I noticed (but was too busy to talk about it earlier) the initial design > > does not allow easily the background animation. You added a window to > > the wall for this... If it is a jail window, maybe it should have some > > bars? > > If we are going to use the animation feature in Fedora 9 (I think we > should. A lot of people commented on it, some thought Fedora broke their > monitor and it probably will be in upstream GNOME), then a chain slowly > breaking free over time might be a cool thing. The only problem being that it will return daily (or on some basis), which doesn't send the intended message. -- Paul W. Frields, RHCE http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 Fedora Project: http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From michael.d.beckwith at gmail.com Sun Dec 16 17:50:31 2007 From: michael.d.beckwith at gmail.com (Michael Beckwith) Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2007 11:50:31 -0600 Subject: Link for official F9 theme proposal In-Reply-To: <1197819559.23760.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <475C96F1.9030808@gmail.com> <475CF909.60708@nicubunu.ro> <475F6782.1080504@gmail.com> <4760D804.9080909@nicubunu.ro> <4764F76A.1080209@fedoraproject.org> <1197819559.23760.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <47656567.4010104@gmail.com> Paul W. Frields wrote: > On Sun, 2007-12-16 at 15:31 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > >> If we are going to use the animation feature in Fedora 9 (I think we >> should. A lot of people commented on it, some thought Fedora broke their >> monitor and it probably will be in upstream GNOME), then a chain slowly >> breaking free over time might be a cool thing. >> > > The only problem being that it will return daily (or on some basis), > which doesn't send the intended message. > I was thinking perhaps gradually change the colors of the chain links. I was also thinking about having the shadows of the chains be the same color as the neutral background, while the midtones and highlights a couple shades lighter. It'll help with abstractness a bit. -- ~Michael http://ridleytx.structed.net (for now) http://michaelbox.net (eventually) From jspaleta at gmail.com Sun Dec 16 22:45:56 2007 From: jspaleta at gmail.com (Jeff Spaleta) Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2007 13:45:56 -0900 Subject: Link for official F9 theme proposal In-Reply-To: <47656567.4010104@gmail.com> References: <475C96F1.9030808@gmail.com> <475CF909.60708@nicubunu.ro> <475F6782.1080504@gmail.com> <4760D804.9080909@nicubunu.ro> <4764F76A.1080209@fedoraproject.org> <1197819559.23760.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> <47656567.4010104@gmail.com> Message-ID: <604aa7910712161445red958bfv6fc15c6c65142884@mail.gmail.com> On Dec 16, 2007 8:50 AM, Michael Beckwith wrote: > I was thinking perhaps gradually change the colors of the chain links. I > was also thinking about having the shadows of the chains be the same > color as the neutral background, while the midtones and highlights a > couple shades lighter. It'll help with abstractness a bit. Can you have the position of the shadows change as a function of time, mimicking the sun crossing the sky through a large picture window which is not actually in view, and then similarly at night a full moon crossing the sky through the same window? -jef From michael.d.beckwith at gmail.com Sun Dec 16 22:52:04 2007 From: michael.d.beckwith at gmail.com (Michael Beckwith) Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2007 16:52:04 -0600 Subject: Link for official F9 theme proposal In-Reply-To: <604aa7910712161445red958bfv6fc15c6c65142884@mail.gmail.com> References: <475C96F1.9030808@gmail.com> <475CF909.60708@nicubunu.ro> <475F6782.1080504@gmail.com> <4760D804.9080909@nicubunu.ro> <4764F76A.1080209@fedoraproject.org> <1197819559.23760.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> <47656567.4010104@gmail.com> <604aa7910712161445red958bfv6fc15c6c65142884@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4765AC14.5080102@gmail.com> I don't see why we couldn't time that out correctly. Jeff Spaleta wrote: > On Dec 16, 2007 8:50 AM, Michael Beckwith wrote: > >> I was thinking perhaps gradually change the colors of the chain links. I >> was also thinking about having the shadows of the chains be the same >> color as the neutral background, while the midtones and highlights a >> couple shades lighter. It'll help with abstractness a bit. >> > > Can you have the position of the shadows change as a function of time, > mimicking the sun crossing the sky through a large picture window > which is not actually in view, and then similarly at night a full moon > crossing the sky through the same window? > > -jef > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list > > -- ~Michael http://ridleytx.structed.net (for now) http://michaelbox.net (eventually) From liviopl.pl at gmail.com Mon Dec 17 12:10:05 2007 From: liviopl.pl at gmail.com (Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek) Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2007 13:10:05 +0100 Subject: Background idea Message-ID: <1197893405.2652.1.camel@camel> Hi, I'm thinking now about F9 background, and I think that striped background is best choice for professional look. -- __ _ ___ Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek / _|___ __| |___ _ _ __ _ ( _ ) Fedora Project | _/ -_) _` / _ \ '_/ _` | / _ \ http://liviopl.jogger.pl/ |_| \___\__,_\___/_| \__,_| \___/ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Which striped background? -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From liviopl.pl at gmail.com Mon Dec 17 13:15:47 2007 From: liviopl.pl at gmail.com (Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek) Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2007 14:15:47 +0100 Subject: Background idea In-Reply-To: <47667158.5050909@nicubunu.ro> References: <1197893405.2652.1.camel@camel> <47667158.5050909@nicubunu.ro> Message-ID: <1197897347.5883.0.camel@camel> I'm just wondering about image style. I have no concretes. 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I have no concretes. > > Am Montag, den 17.12.2007, 14:53 +0200 schrieb Nicu Buculei: > > Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek wrote: > > > I'm thinking now about F9 background, and I think that striped > > > background is best choice for professional look. > > > > Which striped background? -- Laith Juwaidah http://www.ljuwaidah.org/ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part. URL: From liviopl.pl at gmail.com Mon Dec 17 13:40:26 2007 From: liviopl.pl at gmail.com (Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek) Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2007 14:40:26 +0100 Subject: Background idea In-Reply-To: <200712171724.25630.ljuwaida@fedoraproject.org> References: <1197893405.2652.1.camel@camel> <47667158.5050909@nicubunu.ro> <1197897347.5883.0.camel@camel> <200712171724.25630.ljuwaida@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <1197898826.6675.0.camel@camel> They're just looking professional, but some alone line like in F8 artwork also are professional, but little bit less... Dnia 17-12-2007, pon o godzinie 17:24 +0400, Laith Juwaidah pisze: > If you're talking about backgrounds like Max OS's or F8's or SuSE's then I'm > with you, this kind of background suits most people! > > On Monday 17 December 2007 17:15:47 Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek wrote: > > I'm just wondering about image style. I have no concretes. > > > > Am Montag, den 17.12.2007, 14:53 +0200 schrieb Nicu Buculei: > > > Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek wrote: > > > > I'm thinking now about F9 background, and I think that striped > > > > background is best choice for professional look. > > > > > > Which striped background? > > > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list -- __ _ ___ Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek / _|___ __| |___ _ _ __ _ ( _ ) Fedora Project | _/ -_) _` / _ \ '_/ _` | / _ \ http://liviopl.jogger.pl/ |_| \___\__,_\___/_| \__,_| \___/ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: To jest cz??? wiadomo?ci podpisana cyfrowo URL: From duffy at redhat.com Mon Dec 17 17:11:16 2007 From: duffy at redhat.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?M=E1ir=EDn_Duffy?=) Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2007 12:11:16 -0500 Subject: Fedora 9 Theme Artwork Schedule (proposed) Message-ID: <4766ADB4.1060809@redhat.com> Hi folks, What do you think about this schedule for the F9 theming process? Also, how about the requirements for rounds 1-3? Tuesday, January 8 2008 - Default theme round 1 deadline. Requirements: formal mailing list proposal, proposal page on the wiki linked up to the F9 theming process page, at least 3 sketches to illustrate concept. Tuesday, February 5 2008 - Default theme round 2 deadline. Requirements: at least 1 wallpaper and 3 supporting graphics - one that is horizontally long, one that is vertically long, and one that is square in design. Thursday, February 28 2008 - Default theme round 3 deadline - requirements are entire suite of artwork listed on ThemingOverview close to final versions. We will try to get this artwork into beta, freeze is 4 March. Monday March 10th - marketing discussion Monday March 24th - finalize DVD/CD label artwork Monday March 31st - Firefox default page artwork Thursday April 8th - www.fedoraproject.org F9 launch materials ready ~m From mclasen at redhat.com Mon Dec 17 17:14:30 2007 From: mclasen at redhat.com (Matthias Clasen) Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2007 12:14:30 -0500 Subject: Fedora 9 Theme Artwork Schedule (proposed) In-Reply-To: <4766ADB4.1060809@redhat.com> References: <4766ADB4.1060809@redhat.com> Message-ID: <1197911670.3543.15.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Mon, 2007-12-17 at 12:11 -0500, M?ir?n Duffy wrote: > Hi folks, > > What do you think about this schedule for the F9 theming process? Also, > how about the requirements for rounds 1-3? > > Tuesday, January 8 2008 - Default theme round 1 deadline. Requirements: > formal mailing list proposal, proposal page on the wiki linked up to the > F9 theming process page, at least 3 sketches to illustrate concept. Going into this, you should be aware that the new gdm in rawhide brings some differences wrt to theming. For now, you will be limited to background + gtk + glade, effectively. From duffy at redhat.com Mon Dec 17 17:17:01 2007 From: duffy at redhat.com (=?UTF-8?B?TcOhaXLDrW4gRHVmZnk=?=) Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2007 12:17:01 -0500 Subject: Fedora 9 Theme Artwork Schedule (proposed) Message-ID: <4766AF0D.8070509@redhat.com> Btw, the Fedora 9 naming process is going to happen much earlier than it has in the past for other Fedora versions. We may have a codename in 2 weeks. It's not a lot of time to get proposals to match the name but maybe we could push that first date back a little bit. ~m From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Mon Dec 17 17:12:16 2007 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2007 22:42:16 +0530 Subject: Fedora 9 Theme Artwork Schedule (proposed) In-Reply-To: <4766AF0D.8070509@redhat.com> References: <4766AF0D.8070509@redhat.com> Message-ID: <4766ADF0.9010808@fedoraproject.org> M?ir?n Duffy wrote: > Btw, the Fedora 9 naming process is going to happen much earlier than it > has in the past for other Fedora versions. We may have a codename in 2 > weeks. It's not a lot of time to get proposals to match the name but > maybe we could push that first date back a little bit. You might also want to talk to John Poelstra and integrate the artwork schedule into the general Fedora release schedule similar to what the docs project has done recently. Rahul From duffy at redhat.com Mon Dec 17 18:36:49 2007 From: duffy at redhat.com (=?UTF-8?B?TcOhaXLDrW4gRHVmZnk=?=) Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2007 13:36:49 -0500 Subject: Fedora 9 Theme Artwork Schedule (proposed) Message-ID: <4766C1C1.90409@redhat.com> > M?ir?n Duffy wrote: >> Btw, the Fedora 9 naming process is going to happen much earlier than it >> has in the past for other Fedora versions. We may have a codename in 2 >> weeks. It's not a lot of time to get proposals to match the name but >> maybe we could push that first date back a little bit. > > You might also want to talk to John Poelstra and integrate the artwork > schedule into the general Fedora release schedule similar to what the > docs project has done recently. Yep, I cc'ed him and talked to him in IRC. :) ~m From jonathan.roberts.uk at googlemail.com Mon Dec 17 18:56:38 2007 From: jonathan.roberts.uk at googlemail.com (Jonathan Roberts) Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2007 18:56:38 +0000 Subject: [Fwd: Re: Banners] In-Reply-To: <4762407B.4020604@nicubunu.ro> References: <1197541128.2681.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> <4762407B.4020604@nicubunu.ro> Message-ID: <1197917798.2702.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> Hm so I've played with this for a few days and I'm willing to concede that this probably beyond my creative abilities! Taking direction etc from someone else and implementing it is one thing, trying to imagine something new is another. I now have huge respect for all the work that everyone in the art team does, and your originaility :D Still, if anyone can come up with some ideas that maybe need someone else to push them forwards a little bit, I might still be able to help out. Would be cool to get an advertising banner together for FWN I think, and possibly some of the other topics as I suggested in another thread... Best wishes to all, Jon On Fri, 2007-12-14 at 10:36 +0200, Nicu Buculei wrote: > Jonathan Roberts wrote: > > OK, I had a go (but it is a little plain I think, maybe this can be > > inspiration for somebody else!) and you can find it here: > > > > http://questionsplease.org/fedora/fedorawn.svg > > > > http://questionsplease.org/fedora/fedorawn.png > > I think this isn't what you expected, but: > - I don't like the "Weekly News" font, it looks like you resized the height; > - I know this is a repeat of my design and choice when I made the 468x60 > banners for the wiki, but maybe "fedora" should be replaced with the > wordmark with the correct typeface (I made the choice back then because > I wanted more text on the same font face and the official font is not free); > - maybe some play with colors on the text, a drop shadow and some > texture for background? > - this is my favorite style and may not be the best thing: I like when > parts of the subject (the newspaper here) get out of the image. > > > I should probably have checked that people were interested in getting > > this up somewhere on the site for the FWN releases first! Was basing > > this on a request buried deep in the archives[1] now to see some banners > > get put together, so I figured I'd make a start... > From markg85 at gmail.com Mon Dec 17 19:52:04 2007 From: markg85 at gmail.com (Mark) Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2007 11:52:04 -0800 Subject: GDM Idea In-Reply-To: <1197760135.3568.1.camel@camel> References: <1197753075.6856.3.camel@camel> <6e24a8e80712151335m174b3f3q3072a611ca64a787@mail.gmail.com> <1197755047.7633.9.camel@pc-notebook> <6e24a8e80712151504yd540444t236a33206f6f80e6@mail.gmail.com> <1197760135.3568.1.camel@camel> Message-ID: <6e24a8e80712171152h22cd025bj22860d75c89503ba@mail.gmail.com> > lock dialog (why it's not styled anymore?). That's exactly what i asked a while ago.. that was in the F8 development cycle.. and a mockup (and even working version) of a themed lock dialog (in full F8 style) was made. guess it somewhere failed to get in the official package. It looked good enough to be included and i believe the idea was to include it in F8. From liviopl.pl at gmail.com Mon Dec 17 20:01:43 2007 From: liviopl.pl at gmail.com (Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek) Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2007 21:01:43 +0100 Subject: GDM Idea In-Reply-To: <6e24a8e80712171152h22cd025bj22860d75c89503ba@mail.gmail.com> References: <1197753075.6856.3.camel@camel> <6e24a8e80712151335m174b3f3q3072a611ca64a787@mail.gmail.com> <1197755047.7633.9.camel@pc-notebook> <6e24a8e80712151504yd540444t236a33206f6f80e6@mail.gmail.com> <1197760135.3568.1.camel@camel> <6e24a8e80712171152h22cd025bj22860d75c89503ba@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1197921703.2936.0.camel@camel> But isn't it too late for my mockups? Dnia 17-12-2007, pon o godzinie 11:52 -0800, Mark pisze: > > lock dialog (why it's not styled anymore?). > > That's exactly what i asked a while ago.. that was in the F8 > development cycle.. and a mockup (and even working version) of a > themed lock dialog (in full F8 style) was made. guess it somewhere > failed to get in the official package. It looked good enough to be > included and i believe the idea was to include it in F8. > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list -- __ _ ___ Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek / _|___ __| |___ _ _ __ _ ( _ ) Fedora Project | _/ -_) _` / _ \ '_/ _` | / _ \ http://liviopl.jogger.pl/ |_| \___\__,_\___/_| \__,_| \___/ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: To jest cz??? wiadomo?ci podpisana cyfrowo URL: From mclasen at redhat.com Mon Dec 17 21:27:17 2007 From: mclasen at redhat.com (Matthias Clasen) Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2007 16:27:17 -0500 Subject: GDM Idea In-Reply-To: <6e24a8e80712171152h22cd025bj22860d75c89503ba@mail.gmail.com> References: <1197753075.6856.3.camel@camel> <6e24a8e80712151335m174b3f3q3072a611ca64a787@mail.gmail.com> <1197755047.7633.9.camel@pc-notebook> <6e24a8e80712151504yd540444t236a33206f6f80e6@mail.gmail.com> <1197760135.3568.1.camel@camel> <6e24a8e80712171152h22cd025bj22860d75c89503ba@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1197926837.2924.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Mon, 2007-12-17 at 11:52 -0800, Mark wrote: > > lock dialog (why it's not styled anymore?). > > That's exactly what i asked a while ago.. that was in the F8 > development cycle.. and a mockup (and even working version) of a > themed lock dialog (in full F8 style) was made. guess it somewhere > failed to get in the official package. It looked good enough to be > included and i believe the idea was to include it in F8. It is included. You just need to turn it on. From johnp at redhat.com Mon Dec 17 23:10:37 2007 From: johnp at redhat.com (John (J5) Palmieri) Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2007 18:10:37 -0500 Subject: GDM Idea In-Reply-To: <6e24a8e80712151335m174b3f3q3072a611ca64a787@mail.gmail.com> References: <1197753075.6856.3.camel@camel> <6e24a8e80712151335m174b3f3q3072a611ca64a787@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1197933037.9837.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Sat, 2007-12-15 at 13:35 -0800, Mark wrote: > > Something looking like one of their (SUSE's) mockups [1] or SLiM' > > default theme [2] would be very nice :) . > > > > Say what you think. Bye. > > I like the idea of suse and fedora should have that. > Also with the idea to change login manager.. i think that's very good > to do. There is a lot more to look at in a login manager including integration and more importantly security. GDM in trunk has been rewritten. I'm not sure if it will be released in-time for F9 but you should follow up on with one of the desktop developers. The new GDM from what I have seen is Gtk+ themed with a background and translucent Gtk+ window face browser. -- John (J5) Palmieri From luya_tfz at thefinalzone.com Tue Dec 18 01:17:30 2007 From: luya_tfz at thefinalzone.com (Luya Tshimbalanga) Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2007 17:17:30 -0800 Subject: Fedora 9 Theme Artwork Schedule (proposed) In-Reply-To: <4766ADB4.1060809@redhat.com> References: <4766ADB4.1060809@redhat.com> Message-ID: <47671FAA.1030007@thefinalzone.com> M?ir?n Duffy a ?crit : > Hi folks, > > What do you think about this schedule for the F9 theming process? Also, > how about the requirements for rounds 1-3? > > Tuesday, January 8 2008 - Default theme round 1 deadline. Requirements: > formal mailing list proposal, proposal page on the wiki linked up to the > F9 theming process page, at least 3 sketches to illustrate concept. > > Tuesday, February 5 2008 - Default theme round 2 deadline. Requirements: > at least 1 wallpaper and 3 supporting graphics - one that is > horizontally long, one that is vertically long, and one that is square > in design. > > Thursday, February 28 2008 - Default theme round 3 deadline - > requirements are entire suite of artwork listed on ThemingOverview close > to final versions. We will try to get this artwork into beta, freeze is > 4 March. > > Monday March 10th - marketing discussion > Monday March 24th - finalize DVD/CD label artwork > Monday March 31st - Firefox default page artwork > Thursday April 8th - www.fedoraproject.org F9 launch materials ready > > ~m > It appears to be fair. From michael.d.beckwith at gmail.com Tue Dec 18 01:50:36 2007 From: michael.d.beckwith at gmail.com (Michael Beckwith) Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2007 19:50:36 -0600 Subject: Fedora 9 Theme Artwork Schedule (proposed) In-Reply-To: <4766ADB4.1060809@redhat.com> References: <4766ADB4.1060809@redhat.com> Message-ID: <4767276C.5050703@gmail.com> No issues from me M?ir?n Duffy wrote: > Hi folks, > > What do you think about this schedule for the F9 theming process? Also, > how about the requirements for rounds 1-3? > > Tuesday, January 8 2008 - Default theme round 1 deadline. Requirements: > formal mailing list proposal, proposal page on the wiki linked up to the > F9 theming process page, at least 3 sketches to illustrate concept. > > Tuesday, February 5 2008 - Default theme round 2 deadline. Requirements: > at least 1 wallpaper and 3 supporting graphics - one that is > horizontally long, one that is vertically long, and one that is square > in design. > > Thursday, February 28 2008 - Default theme round 3 deadline - > requirements are entire suite of artwork listed on ThemingOverview close > to final versions. We will try to get this artwork into beta, freeze is > 4 March. > > Monday March 10th - marketing discussion > Monday March 24th - finalize DVD/CD label artwork > Monday March 31st - Firefox default page artwork > Thursday April 8th - www.fedoraproject.org F9 launch materials ready > > ~m > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list > > -- ~Michael http://ridleytx.structed.net (for now) http://michaelbox.net (eventually) From uno at engborgs.net Tue Dec 18 00:51:08 2007 From: uno at engborgs.net (Uno Engborg) Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2007 01:51:08 +0100 Subject: GDM Idea In-Reply-To: <1197926837.2924.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1197753075.6856.3.camel@camel> <6e24a8e80712151335m174b3f3q3072a611ca64a787@mail.gmail.com> <1197755047.7633.9.camel@pc-notebook> <6e24a8e80712151504yd540444t236a33206f6f80e6@mail.gmail.com> <1197760135.3568.1.camel@camel> <6e24a8e80712171152h22cd025bj22860d75c89503ba@mail.gmail.com> <1197926837.2924.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <4767197C.9060605@engborgs.net> Matthias Clasen skrev: > On Mon, 2007-12-17 at 11:52 -0800, Mark wrote: > >>> lock dialog (why it's not styled anymore?). >>> >> That's exactly what i asked a while ago.. that was in the F8 >> development cycle.. and a mockup (and even working version) of a >> themed lock dialog (in full F8 style) was made. guess it somewhere >> failed to get in the official package. It looked good enough to be >> included and i believe the idea was to include it in F8. >> > > It is included. You just need to turn it on. > How? Regards Uno Engborg > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list > -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: smime.p7s Type: application/x-pkcs7-signature Size: 3309 bytes Desc: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature URL: From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Tue Dec 18 06:33:24 2007 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2007 12:03:24 +0530 Subject: GDM Idea In-Reply-To: <4767197C.9060605@engborgs.net> References: <1197753075.6856.3.camel@camel> <6e24a8e80712151335m174b3f3q3072a611ca64a787@mail.gmail.com> <1197755047.7633.9.camel@pc-notebook> <6e24a8e80712151504yd540444t236a33206f6f80e6@mail.gmail.com> <1197760135.3568.1.camel@camel> <6e24a8e80712171152h22cd025bj22860d75c89503ba@mail.gmail.com> <1197926837.2924.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> <4767197C.9060605@engborgs.net> Message-ID: <476769B4.8070501@fedoraproject.org> Uno Engborg wrote: > Matthias Clasen skrev: >> On Mon, 2007-12-17 at 11:52 -0800, Mark wrote: >> >>>> lock dialog (why it's not styled anymore?). >>>> >>> That's exactly what i asked a while ago.. that was in the F8 >>> development cycle.. and a mockup (and even working version) of a >>> themed lock dialog (in full F8 style) was made. guess it somewhere >>> failed to get in the official package. It looked good enough to be >>> included and i believe the idea was to include it in F8. >>> >> >> It is included. You just need to turn it on. >> > How? http://docs.fedoraproject.org/release-notes/f8/en_US/sn-Desktop.html#sn-GNOME Rahul From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Tue Dec 18 07:25:51 2007 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2007 09:25:51 +0200 Subject: Fedora 9 Theme Artwork Schedule (proposed) In-Reply-To: <4766ADB4.1060809@redhat.com> References: <4766ADB4.1060809@redhat.com> Message-ID: <476775FF.6090901@nicubunu.ro> M?ir?n Duffy wrote: > Hi folks, > > What do you think about this schedule for the F9 theming process? Also, > how about the requirements for rounds 1-3? A little tight from round 3 deadline to beta but is OK. Conclusion: people, get your design out, we have only 2 running proposals so far! -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Tue Dec 18 07:28:18 2007 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2007 09:28:18 +0200 Subject: Fedora 9 Theme Artwork Schedule (proposed) In-Reply-To: <4766AF0D.8070509@redhat.com> References: <4766AF0D.8070509@redhat.com> Message-ID: <47677692.309@nicubunu.ro> M?ir?n Duffy wrote: > Btw, the Fedora 9 naming process is going to happen much earlier than it > has in the past for other Fedora versions. We may have a codename in 2 > weeks. It's not a lot of time to get proposals to match the name but > maybe we could push that first date back a little bit. But not that bad, in round 1 we need only sketches. It will be an interesting experience. -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From luya_tfz at thefinalzone.com Tue Dec 18 08:26:34 2007 From: luya_tfz at thefinalzone.com (Luya Tshimbalanga) Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2007 00:26:34 -0800 Subject: Redesigning keyboard icon and its derivates Message-ID: <4767843A.2050308@thefinalzone.com> New redesigned keyboard for Echo. Following Mairin (sorry for the spelling), the latest version now has gap of 1px. I am hesitant to set the 22x22 or 24x24 in either isometric or flat. The 16x16 has a thicker border and 4 buttons. Looking at the Mist buttons, I have noticed the keyboard shortcut button has 8. Comments and suggestions are welcome as I tried to catch on . Luya http://luya.fedorapeople.org/images/echo/devices/ From ben.arnold.inbox at gmail.com Tue Dec 18 09:40:06 2007 From: ben.arnold.inbox at gmail.com (Ben Arnold) Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2007 09:40:06 +0000 Subject: Link for official F9 theme proposal In-Reply-To: <9c3bfa1d0712180133v5315ad9fne82ca1bdccb405a0@mail.gmail.com> References: <475C96F1.9030808@gmail.com> <475CF909.60708@nicubunu.ro> <475F6782.1080504@gmail.com> <4760D804.9080909@nicubunu.ro> <4764F76A.1080209@fedoraproject.org> <1197819559.23760.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> <47656567.4010104@gmail.com> <604aa7910712161445red958bfv6fc15c6c65142884@mail.gmail.com> <4765AC14.5080102@gmail.com> <9c3bfa1d0712180133v5315ad9fne82ca1bdccb405a0@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <9c3bfa1d0712180140s7423bafclee716dce0f3155c4@mail.gmail.com> Would this not be achieved by changing the top half (or bottom half) of the paths to move across with each hour? If the bottom is fixed with the top moving, it would give the impression of shadows changing. ./b On 16/12/2007, Michael Beckwith wrote: > I don't see why we couldn't time that out correctly. > > Jeff Spaleta wrote: > > On Dec 16, 2007 8:50 AM, Michael Beckwith wrote: > > > >> I was thinking perhaps gradually change the colors of the chain links. I > >> was also thinking about having the shadows of the chains be the same > >> color as the neutral background, while the midtones and highlights a > >> couple shades lighter. It'll help with abstractness a bit. > >> > > > > Can you have the position of the shadows change as a function of time, > > mimicking the sun crossing the sky through a large picture window > > which is not actually in view, and then similarly at night a full moon > > crossing the sky through the same window? -- | ..// seawolf //.. | | Ben Arnold | | e-mail / msn / icq / web | | http://clik.to/seawolfsanctuary | | ben.arnold.inbox (at) gmail.com | | iamseawolf (at) gmail (dot) com | | GnuPG Available - ask me! | From kevin.kofler at chello.at Tue Dec 18 13:10:02 2007 From: kevin.kofler at chello.at (Kevin Kofler) Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2007 13:10:02 +0000 (UTC) Subject: Fedora 9 Theme Artwork Schedule (proposed) References: <4766ADB4.1060809@redhat.com> <1197911670.3543.15.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: Matthias Clasen redhat.com> writes: > Going into this, you should be aware that the new gdm in rawhide brings > some differences wrt to theming. Likewise, the new KDM in Rawhide also has theme syntax changes compared to the KDE 3 version. Kevin Kofler From liviopl.pl at gmail.com Tue Dec 18 15:05:16 2007 From: liviopl.pl at gmail.com (Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek) Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2007 16:05:16 +0100 Subject: GDM Idea In-Reply-To: <4767197C.9060605@engborgs.net> References: <1197753075.6856.3.camel@camel> <6e24a8e80712151335m174b3f3q3072a611ca64a787@mail.gmail.com> <1197755047.7633.9.camel@pc-notebook> <6e24a8e80712151504yd540444t236a33206f6f80e6@mail.gmail.com> <1197760135.3568.1.camel@camel> <6e24a8e80712171152h22cd025bj22860d75c89503ba@mail.gmail.com> <1197926837.2924.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> <4767197C.9060605@engborgs.net> Message-ID: <1197990316.2481.0.camel@camel> Fedora Art List is not a place to send files. Use eg. up.wklej.org, place link in mail and come back. Dnia 18-12-2007, wto o godzinie 01:51 +0100, Uno Engborg pisze: > Matthias Clasen skrev: > > On Mon, 2007-12-17 at 11:52 -0800, Mark wrote: > > > >>> lock dialog (why it's not styled anymore?). > >>> > >> That's exactly what i asked a while ago.. that was in the F8 > >> development cycle.. and a mockup (and even working version) of a > >> themed lock dialog (in full F8 style) was made. guess it somewhere > >> failed to get in the official package. It looked good enough to be > >> included and i believe the idea was to include it in F8. > >> > > > > It is included. 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Dnia 18-12-2007, wto o godzinie 19:09 +0330, Mola Pahnadayan pisze: > Hi :) Some idea for Art work of Fedora 9 proposal > > 1.Fedora - electric sphere > 2. Fedora - Podr > 3. Fedora - Fruits > 4. Fedora - lime > 5.Fedora - Angel fish > 6. Fedora - Orange juice > > http://www.molaora.com/data/files/thumb/lime_kiwi_fedora.png > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list -- __ _ ___ Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek / _|___ __| |___ _ _ __ _ ( _ ) Fedora Project | _/ -_) _` / _ \ '_/ _` | / _ \ http://liviopl.jogger.pl/ |_| \___\__,_\___/_| \__,_| \___/ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Requirements: > formal mailing list proposal, proposal page on the wiki linked up to the > F9 theming process page, at least 3 sketches to illustrate concept. > So the start date for this task is Fedora 8 GA? Once the deadline is reached is there a special meeting date or other tasks that must be completed? > Tuesday, February 5 2008 - Default theme round 2 deadline. Requirements: > at least 1 wallpaper and 3 supporting graphics - one that is > horizontally long, one that is vertically long, and one that is square > in design. So the start date for this task is 2008-01-08? Once the deadline is reached is there a special meeting date or other tasks that must be completed? > Thursday, February 28 2008 - Default theme round 3 deadline - > requirements are entire suite of artwork listed on ThemingOverview close > to final versions. We will try to get this artwork into beta, freeze is > 4 March. So the start date for this task is 2008-02-05? Once the deadline is reached is there a special meeting date or other tasks that must be completed? > Monday March 10th - marketing discussion --Is this is a single meeting? --Are there other dependent tasks that build up to this meeting? If "yes", what are the date(s) and duration(s) (time needed to complete those tasks)? > Monday March 24th - finalize DVD/CD label artwork --What is the start date for this task? --Are there other dependent tasks that must be completed first? If "yes", what are the date(s) and duration(s) (time needed to complete the task)? > Monday March 31st - Firefox default page artwork --What is the start date for this task? --Are there other dependent tasks that must be completed first? If "yes", what are the date(s) and duration(s) (time needed to complete the task)? > Thursday April 8th - www.fedoraproject.org F9 launch materials ready What are the tasks and their associated duration which build up to this date? Is this an Art team task or Web team or both? > ~m From martin.sourada at seznam.cz Tue Dec 18 18:40:20 2007 From: martin.sourada at seznam.cz (Martin Sourada) Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2007 19:40:20 +0100 Subject: [F9 Artwork Proposal] Waves Message-ID: <1198003220.2903.6.camel@pc-notebook.kolej.mff.cuni.cz> Hi, I had in mind some time an idea of having waves based artwork, so I quickly sketched three different images: * one based simply on amplitude - more or less what you see when you throw some stones into watter * one based on "photo of wave" - more or less what you see you wave with some piece of cloth that has fibred structure * and one based on reflections - i.e. using gimp Waves filter on some image to distort it like if it was a reflection on a wavy surface What you think about it? I set up an wiki page for it[1] under the F9 themes page[2]. Thanks, Martin References: [1] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/F9Themes/Waves [2] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/F9Themes/ From jspaleta at gmail.com Tue Dec 18 22:58:12 2007 From: jspaleta at gmail.com (Jeff Spaleta) Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2007 13:58:12 -0900 Subject: [F9 Artwork Proposal] Waves In-Reply-To: <1198003220.2903.6.camel@pc-notebook.kolej.mff.cuni.cz> References: <1198003220.2903.6.camel@pc-notebook.kolej.mff.cuni.cz> Message-ID: <604aa7910712181458xecfa07dw7eea49df2b4b5496@mail.gmail.com> On Dec 18, 2007 9:40 AM, Martin Sourada wrote: > * one based simply on amplitude - more or less what you see when you > throw some stones into watter > * and one based on reflections - i.e. using gimp Waves filter on some > image to distort it like if it was a reflection on a wavy surface I think these two have some potential from a time-of-day animation effects pov -jef From jjmasek at gmail.com Wed Dec 19 05:29:33 2007 From: jjmasek at gmail.com (Jiri Jakub Masek) Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2007 06:29:33 +0100 Subject: My word for F9 In-Reply-To: <1197993913.24334.0.camel@camel> References: <4767E9C0.7050903@gmail.com> <1197993913.24334.0.camel@camel> Message-ID: And what about *ZERO LIGHT* ? JJM 2007/12/18, Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek : > > Fresh ideas :) . > But Kiwi is already name of spin software for SUSE :> . > > Dnia 18-12-2007, wto o godzinie 19:09 +0330, Mola Pahnadayan pisze: > > Hi :) Some idea for Art work of Fedora 9 proposal > > > > 1.Fedora - electric sphere > > 2. Fedora - Podr > > 3. Fedora - Fruits > > 4. Fedora - lime > > 5.Fedora - Angel fish > > 6. Fedora - Orange juice > > > > http://www.molaora.com/data/files/thumb/lime_kiwi_fedora.png > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Fedora-art-list mailing list > > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list > -- > __ _ ___ > Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek / _|___ __| |___ _ _ __ _ ( _ ) > Fedora Project | _/ -_) _` / _ \ '_/ _` | / _ \ > http://liviopl.jogger.pl/ |_| \___\__,_\___/_| \__,_| \___/ > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list > > > -- I'm still learning English... Ji?? Jakub Ma?ek - Mr Jiri Jakub Masek Moravia, Czech Republic, European Union -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Wed Dec 19 07:24:47 2007 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2007 09:24:47 +0200 Subject: Fedora 9 Theme Artwork Schedule (proposed) In-Reply-To: <47680B37.1000703@redhat.com> References: <4766ADB4.1060809@redhat.com> <47680B37.1000703@redhat.com> Message-ID: <4768C73F.2000704@nicubunu.ro> John Poelstra wrote: > M?ir?n Duffy said the following on 12/17/2007 09:11 AM Pacific Time: >> Hi folks, > > I need a few more details. It is okay if we don't have exact dates > those are easy to change after the schedule is built :) I'll try to fill them up. >> What do you think about this schedule for the F9 theming process? Also, >> how about the requirements for rounds 1-3? >> >> Tuesday, January 8 2008 - Default theme round 1 deadline. Requirements: >> formal mailing list proposal, proposal page on the wiki linked up to the >> F9 theming process page, at least 3 sketches to illustrate concept. >> > So the start date for this task is Fedora 8 GA? Once the deadline is In theory yes, in practice it may be the date when I created the wiki section and announced it on our mailing list - http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/F9Themes Also, in theory, we can start this round even before GA of the previous release. > reached is there a special meeting date or other tasks that must be > completed? An announcement on the mailing list about the candidates making in the next round, update of the wiki and preferably also some blogging about it. Usually the announcement was made by Mo, as the team leader, I helped her with the blogging part. >> Tuesday, February 5 2008 - Default theme round 2 deadline. Requirements: >> at least 1 wallpaper and 3 supporting graphics - one that is >> horizontally long, one that is vertically long, and one that is square >> in design. > > So the start date for this task is 2008-01-08? Once the deadline is Yes. > reached is there a special meeting date or other tasks that must be > completed? The same as for the previous round. >> Thursday, February 28 2008 - Default theme round 3 deadline - >> requirements are entire suite of artwork listed on ThemingOverview close >> to final versions. We will try to get this artwork into beta, freeze is >> 4 March. > > So the start date for this task is 2008-02-05? Once the deadline is Yes. > reached is there a special meeting date or other tasks that must be > completed? I believe at this point we should be in touch with the Desktop Team, starting to gradually package part of the artwork. >> Monday March 10th - marketing discussion > > --Is this is a single meeting? In the past it was an ongoing thread spread for more days on the Marketing list. F8 was the first release when we tried a milestone for marketing graphics. > --Are there other dependent tasks that build up to this meeting? If > "yes", what are the date(s) and duration(s) (time needed to complete > those tasks)? We should have defined the graphic identity of the release (round 3), so we have the graphics elements to use. Probably end of round 3 is the start date for the task? An useful dependent task we failed to achieve in F8 was the definition (by Marketing) of one single slogan for the release (like "infinite freedom") to be used in those graphics. >> Monday March 24th - finalize DVD/CD label artwork > --What is the start date for this task? Probably end of round 3, but we can use CD/DVD artwork mockups even during round 2 or 3. > --Are there other dependent tasks that must be completed first? If > "yes", what are the date(s) and duration(s) (time needed to complete the > task)? Definition of the release graphics, the slogan and, as this year it will be more early, maybe the release name. >> Monday March 31st - Firefox default page artwork > --What is the start date for this task? End of round 3. > --Are there other dependent tasks that must be completed first? If > "yes", what are the date(s) and duration(s) (time needed to complete the > task)? Release graphics and slogan. >> Thursday April 8th - www.fedoraproject.org F9 launch materials ready > > What are the tasks and their associated duration which build up to this > date? Is this an Art team task or Web team or both? Both and more. The task are not set in stone, each release we add some new, for F8 we had for the first time a countdown. We may add flyers or posters. Making the materials "ready" may mean creating a version for print (with color separation and such). -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Wed Dec 19 07:35:08 2007 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2007 09:35:08 +0200 Subject: [F9 Artwork Proposal] Waves In-Reply-To: <1198003220.2903.6.camel@pc-notebook.kolej.mff.cuni.cz> References: <1198003220.2903.6.camel@pc-notebook.kolej.mff.cuni.cz> Message-ID: <4768C9AC.1000509@nicubunu.ro> Martin Sourada wrote: > Hi, > > I had in mind some time an idea of having waves based artwork, so I > quickly sketched three different images: > > * one based simply on amplitude - more or less what you see when you > throw some stones into watter I like the best how this one look, BUT there is a compiz effect simulating water ripples, just imagine the redundancy of a ripple background and ripple effect on top of it. [1] - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IcOZMGuieDU -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From martin.sourada at seznam.cz Wed Dec 19 09:37:49 2007 From: martin.sourada at seznam.cz (Martin Sourada) Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2007 10:37:49 +0100 Subject: Redesigning keyboard icon and its derivates In-Reply-To: <4767843A.2050308@thefinalzone.com> References: <4767843A.2050308@thefinalzone.com> Message-ID: <1198057069.2864.3.camel@pc-notebook.kolej.mff.cuni.cz> On Tue, 2007-12-18 at 09:26 +0100, Luya Tshimbalanga wrote: > New redesigned keyboard for Echo. Following Mairin (sorry for the > spelling), the latest version now has gap of 1px. I am hesitant to set > the 22x22 or 24x24 in either isometric or flat. The 16x16 has a thicker > border and 4 buttons. Looking at the Mist buttons, I have noticed the > keyboard shortcut button has 8. Comments and suggestions are welcome as > I tried to catch on . > > Luya > http://luya.fedorapeople.org/images/echo/devices/ > >From the 16x16 icons the keyboard16d.png seems the best for me. For the other sizes I think that nine keys are too much, I'd stay with three or four. Did you considered using the whole keyboard in the image, like it is done in gnome icons theme [1]? Thanks, Martin References: [1] http://people.freedesktop.org/~jimmac/icons/ From ljuwaida at fedoraproject.org Wed Dec 19 18:27:16 2007 From: ljuwaida at fedoraproject.org (Laith Juwaidah) Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2007 22:27:16 +0400 Subject: My word for F9 In-Reply-To: <4767E9C0.7050903@gmail.com> References: <4767E9C0.7050903@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200712192227.35895.ljuwaida@fedoraproject.org> On Tuesday 18 December 2007 19:39:44 Mola Pahnadayan wrote: > Hi :) Some idea for Art work of Fedora 9 proposal > > 1.Fedora - electric sphere I really really really like Electric sphere!!! > 2. Fedora - Podr > 3. Fedora - Fruits > 4. Fedora - lime > 5.Fedora - Angel fish > 6. Fedora - Orange juice > > http://www.molaora.com/data/files/thumb/lime_kiwi_fedora.png > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list -- Laith Juwaidah http://www.ljuwaidah.org/ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part. URL: From jspaleta at gmail.com Wed Dec 19 18:38:02 2007 From: jspaleta at gmail.com (Jeff Spaleta) Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2007 09:38:02 -0900 Subject: [F9 Artwork Proposal] Waves In-Reply-To: <4768C9AC.1000509@nicubunu.ro> References: <1198003220.2903.6.camel@pc-notebook.kolej.mff.cuni.cz> <4768C9AC.1000509@nicubunu.ro> Message-ID: <604aa7910712191038x4ebc59ffiab89d172332f6cf6@mail.gmail.com> On Dec 18, 2007 10:35 PM, Nicu Buculei wrote: > I like the best how this one look, BUT there is a compiz effect > simulating water ripples, just imagine the redundancy of a ripple > background and ripple effect on top of it. this thread reminds me. Did I ever show off my effort to make an animated aurora desktop image? I never got the animation to really look like i wanted. I tried to get two auroral curtains to ripple in the desktop background in the same way they actually do in the sky overhead. http://jspaleta.fedorapeople.org/animated-aurora/abstract-aurora.png I'm not suggesting that this should be a theme, but I like the idea of trying to capture that sort of motion on the desktop. What i really really really want is enough flexibility in the animation stuff to be able to programmatically draw svgs as the desktop image based on actual geophysical/weather data so I can re-implement a visual art installation on the desktop similar in nature to the museum installation called The Place Where You Go To Listen[1], except using desktop visual elements instead of sound. I'd like to turn the desktop image into an active abstract display of geophysical activity. When I was last playing with the animated aurora, the desktop animation process didn't like transitioning svg's smoothly. References: [1] http://www.newmusicbox.org/article.nmbx?id=4573 -jef From luya_tfz at thefinalzone.com Wed Dec 19 20:34:14 2007 From: luya_tfz at thefinalzone.com (Luya Tshimbalanga) Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2007 12:34:14 -0800 Subject: Redesigning keyboard icon and its derivates In-Reply-To: <1198057069.2864.3.camel@pc-notebook.kolej.mff.cuni.cz> References: <4767843A.2050308@thefinalzone.com> <1198057069.2864.3.camel@pc-notebook.kolej.mff.cuni.cz> Message-ID: <47698046.3080405@thefinalzone.com> Martin Sourada a ?crit : > On Tue, 2007-12-18 at 09:26 +0100, Luya Tshimbalanga wrote: > >> New redesigned keyboard for Echo. Following Mairin (sorry for the >> spelling), the latest version now has gap of 1px. I am hesitant to set >> the 22x22 or 24x24 in either isometric or flat. The 16x16 has a thicker >> border and 4 buttons. Looking at the Mist buttons, I have noticed the >> keyboard shortcut button has 8. Comments and suggestions are welcome as >> I tried to catch on . >> >> Luya >> http://luya.fedorapeople.org/images/echo/devices/ >> >> > > >From the 16x16 icons the keyboard16d.png seems the best for me. For the > other sizes I think that nine keys are too much, I'd stay with three or > four. Did you considered using the whole keyboard in the image, like it > is done in gnome icons theme [1]? > > I considered to do the whole keyboard but I noticed there is too much details hence the reason to use few keyboard buttons. It will be the base of other derivative such as shortcut, input. Three or four buttons for 22x22 and 24x24 will be available. Luya From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Wed Dec 19 21:03:08 2007 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2007 02:33:08 +0530 Subject: Imagine Message-ID: <4769870C.4040409@fedoraproject.org> Hi Imagine.... a theme around this http://tieguy.org/blog/2007/12/19/happyhappyjoyjoy/ Rahul From liviopl.pl at gmail.com Wed Dec 19 21:09:58 2007 From: liviopl.pl at gmail.com (Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek) Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2007 22:09:58 +0100 Subject: Imagine In-Reply-To: <4769870C.4040409@fedoraproject.org> References: <4769870C.4040409@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <1198098598.9760.0.camel@camel> Nice idea, +1 from me :) . Dnia 20-12-2007, czw o godzinie 02:33 +0530, Rahul Sundaram pisze: > Hi > > Imagine.... a theme around this > > http://tieguy.org/blog/2007/12/19/happyhappyjoyjoy/ > > Rahul > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list -- __ _ ___ Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek / _|___ __| |___ _ _ __ _ ( _ ) Fedora Project | _/ -_) _` / _ \ '_/ _` | / _ \ http://liviopl.jogger.pl/ |_| \___\__,_\___/_| \__,_| \___/ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I'm sure they are in the userbase, but i don't think we make any effort to target them, so singling them out as a focus in the theme might be a little out of place. -jef"Its December, and I miss the sun"spaleta From liviopl.pl at gmail.com Wed Dec 19 22:10:17 2007 From: liviopl.pl at gmail.com (Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek) Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2007 23:10:17 +0100 Subject: Imagine In-Reply-To: <604aa7910712191351h7e32e9fap2cf6a13a0ee902b2@mail.gmail.com> References: <4769870C.4040409@fedoraproject.org> <604aa7910712191351h7e32e9fap2cf6a13a0ee902b2@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1198102217.2439.0.camel@camel> It's freedom. Dnia 19-12-2007, ?ro o godzinie 12:51 -0900, Jeff Spaleta pisze: > On Dec 19, 2007 12:03 PM, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > > Hi > > > > Imagine.... a theme around this > > > > http://tieguy.org/blog/2007/12/19/happyhappyjoyjoy/ > > I'm not sure what levitating paraplegics have to do with Fedora's > overal mission. 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Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: To jest cz??? wiadomo?ci podpisana cyfrowo URL: From jspaleta at gmail.com Thu Dec 20 00:50:06 2007 From: jspaleta at gmail.com (Jeff Spaleta) Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2007 15:50:06 -0900 Subject: Imagine In-Reply-To: <1198102217.2439.0.camel@camel> References: <4769870C.4040409@fedoraproject.org> <604aa7910712191351h7e32e9fap2cf6a13a0ee902b2@mail.gmail.com> <1198102217.2439.0.camel@camel> Message-ID: <604aa7910712191650u39bb7dd7t6e063b64c4879dda@mail.gmail.com> On Dec 19, 2007 1:10 PM, Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek wrote: > It's freedom. Here's what I see. I see people facing a way from me.. towards a cliff face blinded by sunlight. Are they jumping up and down? Or are they in the process of running away from me and towards the cliff..blinded by sunlight? But your right, I guess running away from me off a cliff and falling into ocean water on some land mass's west coast is a sort of freedom. But I wouldn't call it a freedom strengthened by nor strengthening a growing community. -jef"The sun sets north here in the summer, that totally weirds me out"spaleta From luya_tfz at thefinalzone.com Thu Dec 20 00:55:57 2007 From: luya_tfz at thefinalzone.com (Luya Tshimbalanga) Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2007 16:55:57 -0800 Subject: Testing Firefox 3 Beta 2 with native icons Message-ID: <4769BD9D.9050500@thefinalzone.com> Beta 2 version of Firefox 3 now support native icons from GTK. I took opportunity to test Echo icons theme. I can easily tell both left, right arrow and refresh need some work. At least, it is a good news Firefox 3 will be native for Linux distributions. Luya -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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But your right, I guess running away from > me off a cliff and falling into ocean water on some land mass's west > coast is a sort of freedom. But I wouldn't call it a freedom > strengthened by nor strengthening a growing community. > I like the picture, fwiw. Don't let Jeffs winter depression discourage you... From rnorwood at redhat.com Wed Dec 19 20:54:33 2007 From: rnorwood at redhat.com (Robin Norwood) Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2007 15:54:33 -0500 Subject: Calling all HIG-ers Message-ID: Hi, I'm working on PackageKit (www.packagekit.org). The project is developing rapidly, and the project leader, Richard Hughes, recently put out a call for some HIG-love, along the GNOME guidelines: http://hughsient.livejournal.com/48726.html If any of the many lovely and talented Fedorans on the list could help, it would be much appreciated. Just follow the instructions in hughsie's blog. (Not on the list, Cc me on replies, etc) Thanks, -RN -- Robin Norwood Red Hat, Inc. 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At > least, it is a good news Firefox 3 will be native for Linux distributions. > > > Luya > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list -- __ _ ___ Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek / _|___ __| |___ _ _ __ _ ( _ ) Fedora Project | _/ -_) _` / _ \ '_/ _` | / _ \ http://liviopl.jogger.pl/ |_| \___\__,_\___/_| \__,_| \___/ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Remember a keyboard > does not have to be for computer, > > Luya > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list -- __ _ ___ Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek / _|___ __| |___ _ _ __ _ ( _ ) Fedora Project | _/ -_) _` / _ \ '_/ _` | / _ \ http://liviopl.jogger.pl/ |_| \___\__,_\___/_| \__,_| \___/ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: To jest cz??? wiadomo?ci podpisana cyfrowo URL: From liviopl.pl at gmail.com Thu Dec 20 12:03:39 2007 From: liviopl.pl at gmail.com (Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek) Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2007 13:03:39 +0100 Subject: 22x22 go-down icons In-Reply-To: <476A1481.7050407@thefinalzone.com> References: <476A1481.7050407@thefinalzone.com> Message-ID: <1198152219.2290.6.camel@camel> Ugly... I'm attaching comparison with Foxtrot. Compare it yourself... Dnia 19-12-2007, ?ro o godzinie 23:06 -0800, Luya Tshimbalanga pisze: > Just made a 22x22 go-down arrow perspectives for echo. The tricky part > was the extrusion technique which I used three non-outlined rectangle. I > wonder if there is another technique to give a 3D dimension in a 2D > perspective. Thank you. > > Luya > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list -- __ _ ___ Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek / _|___ __| |___ _ _ __ _ ( _ ) Fedora Project | _/ -_) _` / _ \ '_/ _` | / _ \ http://liviopl.jogger.pl/ |_| \___\__,_\___/_| \__,_| \___/ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: foxtrot-versus-echo.png Type: image/png Size: 2290 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Remember a keyboard > does not have to be for computer, > > Luya The border seems to dark, also the iso perspective seem to not be used used correctly (top-left corner seems to differ from what it should be). Maybe it would work better if the keys were treated as one object each, rather than whole keyboard? Martin From martin.sourada at seznam.cz Thu Dec 20 12:17:11 2007 From: martin.sourada at seznam.cz (Martin Sourada) Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2007 13:17:11 +0100 Subject: 22x22 go-down icons In-Reply-To: <476A1481.7050407@thefinalzone.com> References: <476A1481.7050407@thefinalzone.com> Message-ID: <1198153031.2952.20.camel@pc-notebook.kolej.mff.cuni.cz> On Thu, 2007-12-20 at 08:06 +0100, Luya Tshimbalanga wrote: > Just made a 22x22 go-down arrow perspectives for echo. The tricky part > was the extrusion technique which I used three non-outlined rectangle. I > wonder if there is another technique to give a 3D dimension in a 2D > perspective. Thank you. > > Luya Seems to me you are not using flat perspective. I think it would work better for 22x22 action icons. Please try to align it to pixel grid (if you display the grid in nautilus, drawn lines should be between grid lines, not over them). I think, it would be better, if the white 'outline' were thinner. Also try only 1px wide border, maybe a little lighter than the current one. Thanks, Martin From martin.sourada at seznam.cz Thu Dec 20 12:24:11 2007 From: martin.sourada at seznam.cz (Martin Sourada) Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2007 13:24:11 +0100 Subject: Redesigning keyboard icon and its derivates In-Reply-To: <1198152093.2290.4.camel@camel> References: <4767843A.2050308@thefinalzone.com> <1198057069.2864.3.camel@pc-notebook.kolej.mff.cuni.cz> <47698046.3080405@thefinalzone.com> <476A001F.6060001@thefinalzone.com> <1198152093.2290.4.camel@camel> Message-ID: <1198153451.2952.23.camel@pc-notebook.kolej.mff.cuni.cz> On Thu, 2007-12-20 at 13:01 +0100, Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek wrote: > GNOME icon theme has whole keyboard without details - it looks better. > Also, your icon has too big contrast. > > And one more thing, Echo will be photo realistic icons? Not good, > especially in small sizes. > Echo will be something in-between. Not photo-realistic, but not over too simple. For 16x16 you might expect similar styling to that of gnome icons (sometimes even the same icon, only with different colours). Martin From martin.sourada at seznam.cz Thu Dec 20 12:29:15 2007 From: martin.sourada at seznam.cz (Martin Sourada) Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2007 13:29:15 +0100 Subject: Testing Firefox 3 Beta 2 with native icons In-Reply-To: <1198151979.2290.2.camel@camel> References: <4769BD9D.9050500@thefinalzone.com> <1198151979.2290.2.camel@camel> Message-ID: <1198153755.2952.25.camel@pc-notebook.kolej.mff.cuni.cz> On Thu, 2007-12-20 at 12:59 +0100, Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek wrote: > Spinner, search icon, dropdown button in location bar and location bar's > autocomplete are not native (I hope not yet). > > PS: Echo looks ugly here, because the arrows don't use the actual Echo > style and they have no gradients. One more thing: you should use Nodoka > theme to show us Firefox 3 ;) . > Not a problem, I keep a local copy of Firefox 3 for testing, so here is my screenshot [1] with Nodoka enabled (you might notice that there is new scrollbar design, I checked first try to trunk yesterday) and with Echo icons (also my local copy, with SVGs enabled and Clearlooks dependency removed). Martin References [1] http://mso.fedorapeople.org/screenshots/firefox3.png From liviopl.pl at gmail.com Thu Dec 20 12:29:11 2007 From: liviopl.pl at gmail.com (Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek) Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2007 13:29:11 +0100 Subject: Testing Firefox 3 Beta 2 with native icons In-Reply-To: <1198153755.2952.25.camel@pc-notebook.kolej.mff.cuni.cz> References: <4769BD9D.9050500@thefinalzone.com> <1198151979.2290.2.camel@camel> <1198153755.2952.25.camel@pc-notebook.kolej.mff.cuni.cz> Message-ID: <1198153751.3291.0.camel@camel> I still think Nodoka is great, and Echo should be Tango! styled icon theme... Echo current icon shapes, but in Tango! style - that would kick ass. Dnia 20-12-2007, czw o godzinie 13:29 +0100, Martin Sourada pisze: > On Thu, 2007-12-20 at 12:59 +0100, Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek wrote: > > Spinner, search icon, dropdown button in location bar and location bar's > > autocomplete are not native (I hope not yet). > > > > PS: Echo looks ugly here, because the arrows don't use the actual Echo > > style and they have no gradients. One more thing: you should use Nodoka > > theme to show us Firefox 3 ;) . > > > Not a problem, I keep a local copy of Firefox 3 for testing, so here is > my screenshot [1] with Nodoka enabled (you might notice that there is new > scrollbar design, I checked first try to trunk yesterday) and with Echo > icons (also my local copy, with SVGs enabled and Clearlooks dependency > removed). > > Martin > > References > [1] http://mso.fedorapeople.org/screenshots/firefox3.png > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list -- __ _ ___ Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek / _|___ __| |___ _ _ __ _ ( _ ) Fedora Project | _/ -_) _` / _ \ '_/ _` | / _ \ http://liviopl.jogger.pl/ |_| \___\__,_\___/_| \__,_| \___/ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Buy him a beer next time you meet him at a conference. :) Check out the nighly builds [1] and feel free to report all issues you run into, we're hoping to get a whole bunch of stuff in now that beta2 is over. 1. http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/firefox/nightly/latest-trunk/ - Andreas From liviopl.pl at gmail.com Thu Dec 20 13:26:06 2007 From: liviopl.pl at gmail.com (Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek) Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2007 14:26:06 +0100 Subject: Testing Firefox 3 Beta 2 with native icons In-Reply-To: <476A6A21.9080403@home.se> References: <4769BD9D.9050500@thefinalzone.com> <476A6A21.9080403@home.se> Message-ID: <1198157166.4041.2.camel@camel> I'm checking ff3 sometimes, and I've sent some bugs [1]. 1| http://urlx.org/mozilla.org/0b28b Dnia 20-12-2007, czw o godzinie 14:12 +0100, Andreas Nilsson pisze: > Luya Tshimbalanga wrote: > > Beta 2 version of Firefox 3 now support native icons from GTK. I took opportunity to test Echo > > icons theme. I can easily tell both left, right arrow and refresh need some work. At > > least, it is a good news Firefox 3 will be native for Linux distributions. > > > > > > Luya > > > A lot of the great work is done by Michael Montreal who's been > tirelessly been sending patches. Buy him a beer next time you meet him > at a conference. :) > Check out the nighly builds [1] and feel free to report all issues you > run into, we're hoping to get a whole bunch of stuff in now that beta2 > is over. > > 1. http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/firefox/nightly/latest-trunk/ > - Andreas > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list -- __ _ ___ Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek / _|___ __| |___ _ _ __ _ ( _ ) Fedora Project | _/ -_) _` / _ \ '_/ _` | / _ \ http://liviopl.jogger.pl/ |_| \___\__,_\___/_| \__,_| \___/ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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No one is stopping you from using Tango, or from building your own icon theme. -- Ignacio Vazquez-Abrams PLEASE don't CC me; I'm already subscribed -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From liviopl.pl at gmail.com Thu Dec 20 16:05:23 2007 From: liviopl.pl at gmail.com (Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek) Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2007 17:05:23 +0100 Subject: Testing Firefox 3 Beta 2 with native icons In-Reply-To: <1198165153.26466.0.camel@ignacio.lan> References: <4769BD9D.9050500@thefinalzone.com> <1198151979.2290.2.camel@camel> <1198153755.2952.25.camel@pc-notebook.kolej.mff.cuni.cz> <1198153751.3291.0.camel@camel> <1198165153.26466.0.camel@ignacio.lan> Message-ID: <1198166724.10177.0.camel@camel> Ok, but if I'll see any Echo icon hardcoded in app like Pup you'll have war... Dnia 20-12-2007, czw o godzinie 10:39 -0500, Ignacio Vazquez-Abrams pisze: > On Thu, 2007-12-20 at 13:29 +0100, Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek wrote: > > I still think...Echo should be Tango! styled icon > > theme... Echo current icon shapes, but in Tango! style - that would kick > > ass. > > No one is stopping you from using Tango, or from building your own icon > theme. > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list -- __ _ ___ Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek / _|___ __| |___ _ _ __ _ ( _ ) Fedora Project | _/ -_) _` / _ \ '_/ _` | / _ \ http://liviopl.jogger.pl/ |_| \___\__,_\___/_| \__,_| \___/ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: To jest cz??? wiadomo?ci podpisana cyfrowo URL: From jspaleta at gmail.com Thu Dec 20 17:40:46 2007 From: jspaleta at gmail.com (Jeff Spaleta) Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2007 08:40:46 -0900 Subject: Imagine In-Reply-To: <1198119080.2815.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <4769870C.4040409@fedoraproject.org> <604aa7910712191351h7e32e9fap2cf6a13a0ee902b2@mail.gmail.com> <1198102217.2439.0.camel@camel> <604aa7910712191650u39bb7dd7t6e063b64c4879dda@mail.gmail.com> <1198119080.2815.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <604aa7910712200940l749911f6xb492715d80c4d6b6@mail.gmail.com> On Dec 19, 2007 5:51 PM, Matthias Clasen wrote: > I like the picture, fwiw. > Don't let Jeffs winter depression discourage you... Tomorrow is the solstice, after that I start gaining sunlight... seven glorious minutes a day. What exactly do you like about the picture? You have to be very careful with human forms in images. If I was going to recreate this as a widely used image, at the very least I'd make sure you can see all of the appendages. And I'd abstract it so the forms were humanoid instead of actual people. We won't avoid alieanating the dolphins in our user community, but we may attract Martian users. Dolphins already get concession with the blue theming so they shouldn't be too upset. -jef"-44 F"spaleta From martin.sourada at seznam.cz Thu Dec 20 18:51:46 2007 From: martin.sourada at seznam.cz (Martin Sourada) Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2007 19:51:46 +0100 Subject: Testing Firefox 3 Beta 2 with native icons In-Reply-To: <1198166724.10177.0.camel@camel> References: <4769BD9D.9050500@thefinalzone.com> <1198151979.2290.2.camel@camel> <1198153755.2952.25.camel@pc-notebook.kolej.mff.cuni.cz> <1198153751.3291.0.camel@camel> <1198165153.26466.0.camel@ignacio.lan> <1198166724.10177.0.camel@camel> Message-ID: <1198176706.5063.6.camel@pc-notebook> On Thu, 2007-12-20 at 17:05 +0100, Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek wrote: > Ok, but if I'll see any Echo icon hardcoded in app like Pup you'll have > war... > Icons should NOT be hard-coded into applications, IMHO ;-) Always better filling bugs about using system-wide accessible icons, rather than about what icon theme should be used in certain application... I wonder, how about emoticons... They are now part of icon theme, but still every app has their own (pidgin, gajim, licq, amsn, kopete, ...). Terrible duplication... It would be much better if there was an emoticons package that would install all the basic icons to hicolor icon theme, so that all apps could require it and thus would not break, if an icon theme does not include emoticons... Martin From luya_tfz at thefinalzone.com Thu Dec 20 20:27:12 2007 From: luya_tfz at thefinalzone.com (Luya Tshimbalanga) Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2007 12:27:12 -0800 Subject: Testing Firefox 3 Beta 2 with native icons In-Reply-To: <1198151979.2290.2.camel@camel> References: <4769BD9D.9050500@thefinalzone.com> <1198151979.2290.2.camel@camel> Message-ID: <476AD020.1020306@thefinalzone.com> Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek a ?crit : > Spinner, search icon, dropdown button in location bar and location bar's > autocomplete are not native (I hope not yet). > > PS: Echo looks ugly here, because the arrows don't use the actual Echo > style and they have no gradients. One more thing: you should use Nodoka > theme to show us Firefox 3 ;) . > > I know. I am working on that issue as you can read on other topic with go-down icons. Luya -- ??D0 References: <476A1481.7050407@thefinalzone.com> <1198153031.2952.20.camel@pc-notebook.kolej.mff.cuni.cz> Message-ID: <476AD4DA.2010109@thefinalzone.com> Martin Sourada a ?crit : > On Thu, 2007-12-20 at 08:06 +0100, Luya Tshimbalanga wrote: > >> Just made a 22x22 go-down arrow perspectives for echo. The tricky part >> was the extrusion technique which I used three non-outlined rectangle. I >> wonder if there is another technique to give a 3D dimension in a 2D >> perspective. Thank you. >> >> Luya >> > > Seems to me you are not using flat perspective. I think it would work > better for 22x22 action icons. Please try to align it to pixel grid (if > you display the grid in nautilus, drawn lines should be between grid > lines, not over them). I think, it would be better, if the white > 'outline' were thinner. Also try only 1px wide border, maybe a little > lighter than the current one. The icon has 1px border so it should be easier to see. 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Buy him a beer next time you meet him > at a conference. :) > Check out the nighly builds [1] and feel free to report all issues you > run into, we're hoping to get a whole bunch of stuff in now that beta2 > is over. > > 1. http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/firefox/nightly/latest-trunk/ > - Andreas I will look forward for that moment. I am running night build with the update enabled. Only downside is non-GTK engine integration other than icons with the tarball version. I have read about Acid2 Test issue on osnews.com which turned to be webstandards.org issue. Luya From mclasen at redhat.com Thu Dec 20 20:55:20 2007 From: mclasen at redhat.com (Matthias Clasen) Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2007 15:55:20 -0500 Subject: Imagine In-Reply-To: <604aa7910712200940l749911f6xb492715d80c4d6b6@mail.gmail.com> References: <4769870C.4040409@fedoraproject.org> <604aa7910712191351h7e32e9fap2cf6a13a0ee902b2@mail.gmail.com> <1198102217.2439.0.camel@camel> <604aa7910712191650u39bb7dd7t6e063b64c4879dda@mail.gmail.com> <1198119080.2815.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> <604aa7910712200940l749911f6xb492715d80c4d6b6@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1198184120.2830.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Thu, 2007-12-20 at 08:40 -0900, Jeff Spaleta wrote: > On Dec 19, 2007 5:51 PM, Matthias Clasen wrote: > > I like the picture, fwiw. > > Don't let Jeffs winter depression discourage you... > > Tomorrow is the solstice, after that I start gaining sunlight... seven > glorious minutes a day. > > What exactly do you like about the picture? Dunno, specifically. Its just a nice picture that shows lots of things that people generally like: sun, grass, fresh air, energetic people... > You have to be very careful with human forms in images. If I was > going to recreate this as a widely used image, at the very least I'd > make sure you can see all of the appendages. And I'd abstract it so > the forms were humanoid instead of actual people. We won't avoid > alieanating the dolphins in our user community, but we may attract > Martian users. Dolphins already get concession with the blue theming > so they shouldn't be too upset. Yeah, I'm not saying that the picture would make a good default background. But it would be a good background for me, and it would be nice to have it available in the collection of backgrounds. For the default background, we can go with alienated dolphins, as far as I am concerned... From luya_tfz at thefinalzone.com Thu Dec 20 20:55:06 2007 From: luya_tfz at thefinalzone.com (Luya Tshimbalanga) Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2007 12:55:06 -0800 Subject: 22x22 go-down icons In-Reply-To: <1198152219.2290.6.camel@camel> References: <476A1481.7050407@thefinalzone.com> <1198152219.2290.6.camel@camel> Message-ID: <476AD6AA.4080904@thefinalzone.com> Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek a ?crit : > Ugly... > > I'm attaching comparison with Foxtrot. Compare it yourself... > > Dnia 19-12-2007, ?ro o godzinie 23:06 -0800, Luya Tshimbalanga pisze: > >> Just made a 22x22 go-down arrow perspectives for echo. The tricky part >> was the extrusion technique which I used three non-outlined rectangle. I >> wonder if there is another technique to give a 3D dimension in a 2D >> perspective. Thank you. >> >> Luya >> _______________________________________________ >> Fedora-art-list mailing list >> Fedora-art-list at redhat.com >> http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> hmm, no comment. From jspaleta at gmail.com Thu Dec 20 21:34:57 2007 From: jspaleta at gmail.com (Jeff Spaleta) Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2007 12:34:57 -0900 Subject: Imagine In-Reply-To: <1198184120.2830.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <4769870C.4040409@fedoraproject.org> <604aa7910712191351h7e32e9fap2cf6a13a0ee902b2@mail.gmail.com> <1198102217.2439.0.camel@camel> <604aa7910712191650u39bb7dd7t6e063b64c4879dda@mail.gmail.com> <1198119080.2815.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> <604aa7910712200940l749911f6xb492715d80c4d6b6@mail.gmail.com> <1198184120.2830.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <604aa7910712201334sa5749e3n904a47c70dbcb853@mail.gmail.com> On Dec 20, 2007 11:55 AM, Matthias Clasen wrote: > Dunno, specifically. Its just a nice picture that shows lots of things > that people generally like: sun, grass, fresh air, energetic people... its missing something cuddly.. where's the puppy? where's love?! -jef"book your plane tickets now for the 2009 Yukon Quest sled dog race, featuring the first appearance of the only Jamaican sleg dog team in existance! I really really hope they have red stripe as a corporate sponsor"spaleta From markg85 at gmail.com Thu Dec 20 21:56:59 2007 From: markg85 at gmail.com (Mark) Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2007 13:56:59 -0800 Subject: GDM Idea In-Reply-To: <1197926837.2924.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1197753075.6856.3.camel@camel> <6e24a8e80712151335m174b3f3q3072a611ca64a787@mail.gmail.com> <1197755047.7633.9.camel@pc-notebook> <6e24a8e80712151504yd540444t236a33206f6f80e6@mail.gmail.com> <1197760135.3568.1.camel@camel> <6e24a8e80712171152h22cd025bj22860d75c89503ba@mail.gmail.com> <1197926837.2924.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <6e24a8e80712201356r7331dc3w3af3559ee5201f13@mail.gmail.com> > It is included. You just need to turn it on. It was supposed to be turned on by default! From liviopl.pl at gmail.com Thu Dec 20 21:58:22 2007 From: liviopl.pl at gmail.com (Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek) Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2007 22:58:22 +0100 Subject: 22x22 go-down icons In-Reply-To: <476AD6AA.4080904@thefinalzone.com> References: <476A1481.7050407@thefinalzone.com> <1198152219.2290.6.camel@camel> <476AD6AA.4080904@thefinalzone.com> Message-ID: <200712202258.26229.liviopl.pl@gmail.com> Thursday 20 of December 2007 21:55:06 Luya Tshimbalanga napisa?(a): > Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek a ?crit : > > Ugly... > > > > I'm attaching comparison with Foxtrot. Compare it yourself... > > > > Dnia 19-12-2007, ?ro o godzinie 23:06 -0800, Luya Tshimbalanga pisze: > >> Just made a 22x22 go-down arrow perspectives for echo. The tricky part > >> was the extrusion technique which I used three non-outlined rectangle. I > >> wonder if there is another technique to give a 3D dimension in a 2D > >> perspective. Thank you. > >> > >> Luya > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Fedora-art-list mailing list > >> Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > >> http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list > >> > >> > >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > hmm, no comment. > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list Why no comment? Please. answer... -- __ _ ___ Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek / _|___ __| |___ _ _ __ _ ( _ ) Fedora Project | _/ -_) _` / _ \ '_/ _` | / _ \ http://liviopl.jogger.pl/ |_| \___\__,_\___/_| \__,_| \___/ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part. 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URL: From luya_tfz at thefinalzone.com Thu Dec 20 22:19:52 2007 From: luya_tfz at thefinalzone.com (Luya Tshimbalanga) Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2007 14:19:52 -0800 Subject: Tangoification and Echo In-Reply-To: <200712202311.56072.liviopl.pl@gmail.com> References: <200712202311.56072.liviopl.pl@gmail.com> Message-ID: <476AEA88.3000000@thefinalzone.com> Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek a ?crit : > Hi, > > I want to show [1] you how strange would look GNOME if some Echo icons would > be hardcoded. In screenshot some bluecurve are shown. > > > 1| http://img.wklej.org/images/32629tangoification.png > > Those isometric icons are actually the old Bluecurve. Luya From luya_tfz at thefinalzone.com Thu Dec 20 22:30:58 2007 From: luya_tfz at thefinalzone.com (Luya Tshimbalanga) Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2007 14:30:58 -0800 Subject: 22x22 go-down icons In-Reply-To: <200712202258.26229.liviopl.pl@gmail.com> References: <476A1481.7050407@thefinalzone.com> <1198152219.2290.6.camel@camel> <476AD6AA.4080904@thefinalzone.com> <200712202258.26229.liviopl.pl@gmail.com> Message-ID: <476AED22.4000405@thefinalzone.com> Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek a ?crit : > Thursday 20 of December 2007 21:55:06 Luya Tshimbalanga napisa?(a): > >> Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek a ?crit : >> >>> Ugly... >>> >>> I'm attaching comparison with Foxtrot. Compare it yourself... >>> >>> Dnia 19-12-2007, ?ro o godzinie 23:06 -0800, Luya Tshimbalanga pisze: >>> >>>> Just made a 22x22 go-down arrow perspectives for echo. The tricky part >>>> was the extrusion technique which I used three non-outlined rectangle. I >>>> wonder if there is another technique to give a 3D dimension in a 2D >>>> perspective. Thank you. >>>> >>>> Luya >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Fedora-art-list mailing list >>>> Fedora-art-list at redhat.com >>>> http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>>> >> hmm, no comment. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Fedora-art-list mailing list >> Fedora-art-list at redhat.com >> http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list >> > > Why no comment? Please. answer... > Well, it woudn't be fair to comment about my own illustration, would it? Luya From ivazqueznet at gmail.com Thu Dec 20 23:46:58 2007 From: ivazqueznet at gmail.com (Ignacio Vazquez-Abrams) Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2007 18:46:58 -0500 Subject: Tangoification and Echo In-Reply-To: <200712202311.56072.liviopl.pl@gmail.com> References: <200712202311.56072.liviopl.pl@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1198194418.1765.1.camel@ignacio.lan> On Thu, 2007-12-20 at 23:11 +0100, Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek wrote: > Hi, Stop. If you have specific problems then bring those up. If you're just going to use the mailing list to vent on then you need to find a psychiatrist because you have serious issues. -- Ignacio Vazquez-Abrams PLEASE don't CC me; I'm already subscribed -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I only want you to see how hardcoded and ugly icons look in beautiful environment. Dnia 20-12-2007, czw o godzinie 14:19 -0800, Luya Tshimbalanga pisze: > Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek a ?crit : > > Hi, > > > > I want to show [1] you how strange would look GNOME if some Echo icons would > > be hardcoded. In screenshot some bluecurve are shown. > > > > > > 1| http://img.wklej.org/images/32629tangoification.png > > > > > Those isometric icons are actually the old Bluecurve. > > Luya > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list -- __ _ ___ Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek / _|___ __| |___ _ _ __ _ ( _ ) Fedora Project | _/ -_) _` / _ \ '_/ _` | / _ \ http://liviopl.jogger.pl/ |_| \___\__,_\___/_| \__,_| \___/ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: To jest cz??? wiadomo?ci podpisana cyfrowo URL: From liviopl.pl at gmail.com Fri Dec 21 13:29:43 2007 From: liviopl.pl at gmail.com (Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek) Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2007 14:29:43 +0100 Subject: 22x22 go-down icons In-Reply-To: <476AED22.4000405@thefinalzone.com> References: <476A1481.7050407@thefinalzone.com> <1198152219.2290.6.camel@camel> <476AD6AA.4080904@thefinalzone.com> <200712202258.26229.liviopl.pl@gmail.com> <476AED22.4000405@thefinalzone.com> Message-ID: <1198243783.4205.2.camel@camel> But tell me, how your icon looks compared to Tangoish icon. Well, it doesn't look so professional. It even doesn't look good. It's icon like the ones from GNOME Look... Dnia 20-12-2007, czw o godzinie 14:30 -0800, Luya Tshimbalanga pisze: > Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek a ?crit : > > Thursday 20 of December 2007 21:55:06 Luya Tshimbalanga napisa?(a): > > > >> Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek a ?crit : > >> > >>> Ugly... > >>> > >>> I'm attaching comparison with Foxtrot. Compare it yourself... > >>> > >>> Dnia 19-12-2007, ?ro o godzinie 23:06 -0800, Luya Tshimbalanga pisze: > >>> > >>>> Just made a 22x22 go-down arrow perspectives for echo. The tricky part > >>>> was the extrusion technique which I used three non-outlined rectangle. I > >>>> wonder if there is another technique to give a 3D dimension in a 2D > >>>> perspective. Thank you. > >>>> > >>>> Luya > >>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>> Fedora-art-list mailing list > >>>> Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > >>>> http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >>>> > >> hmm, no comment. > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Fedora-art-list mailing list > >> Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > >> http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list > >> > > > > Why no comment? Please. answer... > > > Well, it woudn't be fair to comment about my own illustration, would it? > > Luya > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list -- __ _ ___ Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek / _|___ __| |___ _ _ __ _ ( _ ) Fedora Project | _/ -_) _` / _ \ '_/ _` | / _ \ http://liviopl.jogger.pl/ |_| \___\__,_\___/_| \__,_| \___/ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: To jest cz??? wiadomo?ci podpisana cyfrowo URL: From liviopl.pl at gmail.com Fri Dec 21 13:30:25 2007 From: liviopl.pl at gmail.com (Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek) Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2007 14:30:25 +0100 Subject: Tangoification and Echo In-Reply-To: <1198194418.1765.1.camel@ignacio.lan> References: <200712202311.56072.liviopl.pl@gmail.com> <1198194418.1765.1.camel@ignacio.lan> Message-ID: <1198243825.4205.4.camel@camel> You're blind if you don't see Echo uglyness... Dnia 20-12-2007, czw o godzinie 18:46 -0500, Ignacio Vazquez-Abrams pisze: > On Thu, 2007-12-20 at 23:11 +0100, Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek wrote: > > Hi, > > Stop. If you have specific problems then bring those up. If you're just > going to use the mailing list to vent on then you need to find a > psychiatrist because you have serious issues. > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list -- __ _ ___ Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek / _|___ __| |___ _ _ __ _ ( _ ) Fedora Project | _/ -_) _` / _ \ '_/ _` | / _ \ http://liviopl.jogger.pl/ |_| \___\__,_\___/_| \__,_| \___/ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: To jest cz??? wiadomo?ci podpisana cyfrowo URL: From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Fri Dec 21 14:13:35 2007 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2007 16:13:35 +0200 Subject: Tangoification and Echo In-Reply-To: <1198243825.4205.4.camel@camel> References: <200712202311.56072.liviopl.pl@gmail.com> <1198194418.1765.1.camel@ignacio.lan> <1198243825.4205.4.camel@camel> Message-ID: <476BCA0F.9030707@nicubunu.ro> Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek wrote: > You're blind if you don't see Echo uglyness... Consider this a yellow card from a list moderator. This is not how civilized people talk on a mailing list. Please stop. > Dnia 20-12-2007, czw o godzinie 18:46 -0500, Ignacio Vazquez-Abrams > pisze: >> On Thu, 2007-12-20 at 23:11 +0100, Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek wrote: >>> Hi, >> Stop. If you have specific problems then bring those up. If you're just >> going to use the mailing list to vent on then you need to find a >> psychiatrist because you have serious issues. -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Fri Dec 21 14:17:34 2007 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2007 16:17:34 +0200 Subject: Tangoification and Echo In-Reply-To: <1198243617.4205.0.camel@camel> References: <200712202311.56072.liviopl.pl@gmail.com> <476AEA88.3000000@thefinalzone.com> <1198243617.4205.0.camel@camel> Message-ID: <476BCAFE.2080109@nicubunu.ro> Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek wrote: > Didn't I wrote is Bluecurve? I only want you to see how hardcoded and > ugly icons look in beautiful environment. Are they hardcoded or those are the only SELinux icons available? > Dnia 20-12-2007, czw o godzinie 14:19 -0800, Luya Tshimbalanga pisze: >> Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek a ?crit : >>> Hi, >>> >>> I want to show [1] you how strange would look GNOME if some Echo icons would >>> be hardcoded. In screenshot some bluecurve are shown. >>> >>> >>> 1| http://img.wklej.org/images/32629tangoification.png >>> >>> >> Those isometric icons are actually the old Bluecurve. -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From nisses.mail at home.se Fri Dec 21 14:39:02 2007 From: nisses.mail at home.se (Andreas Nilsson) Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2007 15:39:02 +0100 Subject: Tangoification and Echo In-Reply-To: <476BCA0F.9030707@nicubunu.ro> References: <200712202311.56072.liviopl.pl@gmail.com> <1198194418.1765.1.camel@ignacio.lan> <1198243825.4205.4.camel@camel> <476BCA0F.9030707@nicubunu.ro> Message-ID: <476BD006.9000601@home.se> Nicu Buculei wrote: > Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek wrote: >> You're blind if you don't see Echo uglyness... (seems I'm not receiving a whole bunch of e-mail from the mailing list, so I'm responding to this one instead of it's parent) Hi Jakub! I glad to hear that you enjoy the work we have put into gnome-icon-theme and friends, but it saddens me to read that you're so harch on the work of Luya and others who are using something different. If you don't like it, don't use it. Your comments isn't helping anyone. Thanks for understanding. - Andreas > > Consider this a yellow card from a list moderator. > This is not how civilized people talk on a mailing list. Please stop. > >> Dnia 20-12-2007, czw o godzinie 18:46 -0500, Ignacio Vazquez-Abrams >> pisze: >>> On Thu, 2007-12-20 at 23:11 +0100, Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek wrote: >>>> Hi, >>> Stop. If you have specific problems then bring those up. If you're just >>> going to use the mailing list to vent on then you need to find a >>> psychiatrist because you have serious issues. > From jfrieben at freesurf.fr Fri Dec 21 14:03:03 2007 From: jfrieben at freesurf.fr (Joachim Frieben) Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2007 15:03:03 +0100 (CET) Subject: Tangoification and Echo In-Reply-To: <1198243825.4205.4.camel@camel> References: <1198243825.4205.4.camel@camel> Message-ID: <64521.89.246.166.155.1198245783.squirrel@jose.freesurf.fr> > You're blind if you don't see Echo uglyness... ... __ _ ___ > Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek / _|___ __| |___ _ _ __ _ ( _ ) > Fedora Project | _/ -_) _` / _ \ '_/ _` | / _ \ > http://liviopl.jogger.pl/ |_| \___\__,_\___/_| \__,_| \___/ Hadn't the list moderator announced anti-SPAM measures in order to limit the noise level on this list to a tolerable level? I feel more and more like unsubscribing from it .. From poelstra at redhat.com Fri Dec 21 16:19:33 2007 From: poelstra at redhat.com (John Poelstra) Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2007 08:19:33 -0800 Subject: Draft Schedule for F9 Message-ID: <476BE795.6040705@redhat.com> Hello, I have taken a shot at laying out the different tasks the Art Team does... for starters I think it is clear you don't get enough credit for all it takes to get a release out the door and looking nice. draft gantt chart here: http://poelstra.fedorapeople.org/schedules/wip/f9-art-team-2007-12-21.pdf regular updates will be here: http://poelstra.fedorapeople.org/schedules/f-9/ My hunch is there are other important tasks you all do that haven't been reflected yet. Keep sending them my way and I'll keep adding them in. My hope is that we can look at this schedule not as some "bogus project management hand waving", but instead as a tool to help us and others to understand: o what tasks need to get done o how long it takes to do them o dependencies on other teams to finish on time This could be useful for new volunteers looking for something to work on or for the naysayer that says "that shouldn't take very long" :) Another added bonus is that when it comes to planning F10 all we have to do is tweak some of the start dates and schedule and task list creates itself. John From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Fri Dec 21 16:47:20 2007 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2007 18:47:20 +0200 Subject: Draft Schedule for F9 In-Reply-To: <476BE795.6040705@redhat.com> References: <476BE795.6040705@redhat.com> Message-ID: <476BEE18.50604@nicubunu.ro> John Poelstra wrote: > > My hunch is there are other important tasks you all do that haven't been > reflected yet. Keep sending them my way and I'll keep adding them in. Sure, there are at least two other tasks which are independent from this branch: icon theme and GTK+ theme. But those are mostly tasks of the Desktop team. - Icon theme: at some point the Desktop team will make a choice about the icon theme - stay with Mist, jump to the Echo (which is under development by some people in the Art Team) or choose something else (Tango?); - the same for the GTK+ theme: stay with Nodoka, maintained by the Art Team or jump to something else. There are also some additional tasks which are not clearly defined, like: if the Documentation people need something, they ask and we try to provide. For F8 I think they started to use the Echo icons. But for the desktop artwork, yeah, a task like "round 3", where all the graphics in a set must be made, it can be taken apart in some sub-tasks, but I think we must get more experience in working with them before being able to make an outline. -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From luya_tfz at thefinalzone.com Sat Dec 22 09:00:26 2007 From: luya_tfz at thefinalzone.com (Luya Tshimbalanga) Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2007 01:00:26 -0800 Subject: Echo set of camera-photo icons draft Message-ID: <476CD22A.9010705@thefinalzone.com> I have took the time to design a set of camera-photo icons for Echo. They are based on the more recent model of digital camera (Nikon in this case). I chose that particular model because of simplicity. It may look a bit darker than expected but anyone is welcome to bring suggestion and modification. Luya References: http://luya.fedorapeople.org/images/echo/devices/camera-photo16b.png http://luya.fedorapeople.org/images/echo/devices/camera-photo16b.svg http://luya.fedorapeople.org/images/echo/devices/camera-photo22b.png http://luya.fedorapeople.org/images/echo/devices/camera-photo22b.svg http://luya.fedorapeople.org/images/echo/devices/camera-photo24b.png http://luya.fedorapeople.org/images/echo/devices/camera-photo24b.svg http://luya.fedorapeople.org/images/echo/devices/camera-photo32b.png http://luya.fedorapeople.org/images/echo/devices/camera-photo32b.svg http://luya.fedorapeople.org/images/echo/devices/camera-photo48b.png http://luya.fedorapeople.org/images/echo/devices/camera-photo48b.svg -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Here is the latest version: Reference: http://luya.fedorapeople.org/images/echo/actions/go-down22b.png http://luya.fedorapeople.org/images/echo/actions/go-down22b.svg http://luya.fedorapeople.org/images/echo/actions/go-left22b.png http://luya.fedorapeople.org/images/echo/actions/go-left22b.svg http://luya.fedorapeople.org/images/echo/actions/go-right22b.png http://luya.fedorapeople.org/images/echo/actions/go-right22b.svg http://luya.fedorapeople.org/images/echo/actions/go-up22b.png http://luya.fedorapeople.org/images/echo/actions/go-up22b.svg Luya From martin.sourada at seznam.cz Sat Dec 22 09:50:55 2007 From: martin.sourada at seznam.cz (Martin Sourada) Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2007 10:50:55 +0100 Subject: Updated 22x22 go-down and more In-Reply-To: <476CD817.5070005@thefinalzone.com> References: <476A1481.7050407@thefinalzone.com> <1198152219.2290.6.camel@camel> <476AD6AA.4080904@thefinalzone.com> <200712202258.26229.liviopl.pl@gmail.com> <476AED22.4000405@thefinalzone.com> <1198243783.4205.2.camel@camel> <476CD817.5070005@thefinalzone.com> Message-ID: <1198317055.24247.3.camel@pc-notebook> On Sat, 2007-12-22 at 10:25 +0100, Luya Tshimbalanga wrote: > For me, it looks too dark. I have brought modifications to the go-down22 > icon by increasing the border to 1.5px. It looks more visible and much > better than earlier model. > Here is the latest version: > > Reference: > http://luya.fedorapeople.org/images/echo/actions/go-down22b.png > http://luya.fedorapeople.org/images/echo/actions/go-down22b.svg > http://luya.fedorapeople.org/images/echo/actions/go-left22b.png > http://luya.fedorapeople.org/images/echo/actions/go-left22b.svg > http://luya.fedorapeople.org/images/echo/actions/go-right22b.png > http://luya.fedorapeople.org/images/echo/actions/go-right22b.svg > http://luya.fedorapeople.org/images/echo/actions/go-up22b.png > http://luya.fedorapeople.org/images/echo/actions/go-up22b.svg > > > Luya > I think the shape looks overall better, but it seems to me like if the arrows were dirty... I'll give it a try later myself, to see what can be improved. Maybe the blue gradient could be slightly different - either linear, or less intensive. 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I'll give it a try later myself, to see what can be > improved. Maybe the blue gradient could be slightly different - either > linear, or less intensive. > > Thanks, > Martin As promised, here's my try. In both images I modified the shape a little, most notably I made the end part of arrow 1px shorter, and I set border lines to have round corners (seems to work better then sharp ones when rendered), added gradient, transparency and blur to shadow, and I slightly modified the gradient. In *c.* I left round gradient here, only moved the centre to the top and right, so that there is no notable bright spot on the arrow (I sort of dislike that spot on everything else than balls and like), int the *d.* there is linear gradient. Thanks, Martin -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: go-down22c.png Type: image/png Size: 1002 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Dnia 22-12-2007, sob o godzinie 01:00 -0800, Luya Tshimbalanga pisze: > I have took the time to design a set of camera-photo icons for Echo. > They are based on the more recent model of digital camera (Nikon in this > case). I chose that particular model because of simplicity. It may look > a bit darker than expected but anyone is welcome to bring suggestion and > modification. > > Luya > > References: > > http://luya.fedorapeople.org/images/echo/devices/camera-photo16b.png > http://luya.fedorapeople.org/images/echo/devices/camera-photo16b.svg > http://luya.fedorapeople.org/images/echo/devices/camera-photo22b.png > http://luya.fedorapeople.org/images/echo/devices/camera-photo22b.svg > http://luya.fedorapeople.org/images/echo/devices/camera-photo24b.png > http://luya.fedorapeople.org/images/echo/devices/camera-photo24b.svg > http://luya.fedorapeople.org/images/echo/devices/camera-photo32b.png > http://luya.fedorapeople.org/images/echo/devices/camera-photo32b.svg > http://luya.fedorapeople.org/images/echo/devices/camera-photo48b.png > http://luya.fedorapeople.org/images/echo/devices/camera-photo48b.svg > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list -- __ _ ___ Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek / _|___ __| |___ _ _ __ _ ( _ ) Fedora Project | _/ -_) _` / _ \ '_/ _` | / _ \ http://liviopl.jogger.pl/ |_| \___\__,_\___/_| \__,_| \___/ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: To jest cz??? wiadomo?ci podpisana cyfrowo URL: From liviopl.pl at gmail.com Sat Dec 22 10:58:15 2007 From: liviopl.pl at gmail.com (Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek) Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2007 11:58:15 +0100 Subject: Updated 22x22 go-down and more In-Reply-To: <476CD817.5070005@thefinalzone.com> References: <476A1481.7050407@thefinalzone.com> <1198152219.2290.6.camel@camel> <476AD6AA.4080904@thefinalzone.com> <200712202258.26229.liviopl.pl@gmail.com> <476AED22.4000405@thefinalzone.com> <1198243783.4205.2.camel@camel> <476CD817.5070005@thefinalzone.com> Message-ID: <1198321095.2678.2.camel@camel> Lightning... Too mush light for me, but must say - this icon is getting nicer and nicer. Dnia 22-12-2007, sob o godzinie 01:25 -0800, Luya Tshimbalanga pisze: > Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek a ?crit : > > But tell me, how your icon looks compared to Tangoish icon. > > > > Well, it doesn't look so professional. It even doesn't look good. > > It's icon like the ones from GNOME Look... > > > For me, it looks too dark. I have brought modifications to the go-down22 > icon by increasing the border to 1.5px. It looks more visible and much > better than earlier model. > Here is the latest version: > > Reference: > http://luya.fedorapeople.org/images/echo/actions/go-down22b.png > http://luya.fedorapeople.org/images/echo/actions/go-down22b.svg > http://luya.fedorapeople.org/images/echo/actions/go-left22b.png > http://luya.fedorapeople.org/images/echo/actions/go-left22b.svg > http://luya.fedorapeople.org/images/echo/actions/go-right22b.png > http://luya.fedorapeople.org/images/echo/actions/go-right22b.svg > http://luya.fedorapeople.org/images/echo/actions/go-up22b.png > http://luya.fedorapeople.org/images/echo/actions/go-up22b.svg > > > Luya > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list -- __ _ ___ Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek / _|___ __| |___ _ _ __ _ ( _ ) Fedora Project | _/ -_) _` / _ \ '_/ _` | / _ \ http://liviopl.jogger.pl/ |_| \___\__,_\___/_| \__,_| \___/ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: To jest cz??? wiadomo?ci podpisana cyfrowo URL: From liviopl.pl at gmail.com Sat Dec 22 10:58:55 2007 From: liviopl.pl at gmail.com (Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek) Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2007 11:58:55 +0100 Subject: Updated 22x22 go-down and more In-Reply-To: <1198318771.24247.11.camel@pc-notebook> References: <476A1481.7050407@thefinalzone.com> <1198152219.2290.6.camel@camel> <476AD6AA.4080904@thefinalzone.com> <200712202258.26229.liviopl.pl@gmail.com> <476AED22.4000405@thefinalzone.com> <1198243783.4205.2.camel@camel> <476CD817.5070005@thefinalzone.com> <1198317055.24247.3.camel@pc-notebook> <1198318771.24247.11.camel@pc-notebook> Message-ID: <1198321135.2678.4.camel@camel> They're great. Dnia 22-12-2007, sob o godzinie 11:19 +0100, Martin Sourada pisze: > On Sat, 2007-12-22 at 10:50 +0100, Martin Sourada wrote: > > I think the shape looks overall better, but it seems to me like if the > > arrows were dirty... I'll give it a try later myself, to see what can be > > improved. Maybe the blue gradient could be slightly different - either > > linear, or less intensive. > > > > Thanks, > > Martin > > As promised, here's my try. In both images I modified the shape a > little, most notably I made the end part of arrow 1px shorter, and I set > border lines to have round corners (seems to work better then sharp ones > when rendered), added gradient, transparency and blur to shadow, and I > slightly modified the gradient. In *c.* I left round gradient here, only > moved the centre to the top and right, so that there is no notable > bright spot on the arrow (I sort of dislike that spot on everything else > than balls and like), int the *d.* there is linear gradient. > > Thanks, > Martin > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list -- __ _ ___ Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek / _|___ __| |___ _ _ __ _ ( _ ) Fedora Project | _/ -_) _` / _ \ '_/ _` | / _ \ http://liviopl.jogger.pl/ |_| \___\__,_\___/_| \__,_| \___/ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Dnia 22-12-2007, sob o godzinie 13:58 +0100, Martin Sourada pisze: > On Sat, 2007-12-22 at 11:58 +0100, Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek wrote: > > They're great. > > > > Good you like them :) I attach the rest (only with linear gradient now). > > Thanks, > Martin > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list -- __ _ ___ Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek / _|___ __| |___ _ _ __ _ ( _ ) Fedora Project | _/ -_) _` / _ \ '_/ _` | / _ \ http://liviopl.jogger.pl/ |_| \___\__,_\___/_| \__,_| \___/ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Dnia 22-12-2007, sob o godzinie 13:58 +0100, Martin Sourada pisze: > On Sat, 2007-12-22 at 11:58 +0100, Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek wrote: > > They're great. > > > > Good you like them :) I attach the rest (only with linear gradient now). > > Thanks, > Martin > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list -- __ _ ___ Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek / _|___ __| |___ _ _ __ _ ( _ ) Fedora Project | _/ -_) _` / _ \ '_/ _` | / _ \ http://liviopl.jogger.pl/ |_| \___\__,_\___/_| \__,_| \___/ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Once they are done with other dimensions (16x16 to 48x48), they can be pushed to the branch. Luya From luya_tfz at thefinalzone.com Sat Dec 22 15:41:36 2007 From: luya_tfz at thefinalzone.com (Luya Tshimbalanga) Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2007 07:41:36 -0800 Subject: Echo set of camera-photo icons draft In-Reply-To: <1198321021.2678.0.camel@camel> References: <476CD22A.9010705@thefinalzone.com> <1198321021.2678.0.camel@camel> Message-ID: <476D3030.7040408@thefinalzone.com> Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek a ?crit : > It's undreadable at small sizes. > > Here is the modified small size. Luya -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: camera-photo16c.png Type: image/png Size: 692 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Dnia 22-12-2007, sob o godzinie 07:41 -0800, Luya Tshimbalanga pisze: > Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek a ?crit : > > It's undreadable at small sizes. > > > > > Here is the modified small size. > > Luya > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list -- __ _ ___ Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek / _|___ __| |___ _ _ __ _ ( _ ) Fedora Project | _/ -_) _` / _ \ '_/ _` | / _ \ http://liviopl.jogger.pl/ |_| \___\__,_\___/_| \__,_| \___/ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Compact cameras do not look IMHO that good and have harder-to-recognise shape (as they look much like credit cards). I don't mean to do exactly the same like in the referenced image[1], but some simplified Echoey version with overall look similar to that of the 16x16 picture would be nice, don't you think? Martin References: [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Canon_EOS_40D_and_85mmf1.8.jpg -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Compact cameras do > not look IMHO that good and have harder-to-recognise shape (as they look > much like credit cards). > > I don't mean to do exactly the same like in the referenced image[1], but > some simplified Echoey version with overall look similar to that of the > 16x16 picture would be nice, don't you think? > > Martin > > References: > [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Canon_EOS_40D_and_85mmf1.8.jpg > That was my early ill attempt. x_x Maybe that shape[2] will do and I will try that later. Reference: [2]http://www.londondrugs.com/msib20/ProductImages/2715803_large.jpg -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: camera-photo48a.png Type: image/png Size: 2500 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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PS: In the name of cooperation I'll be not saying anything about perspective, color palette, etc. 2007/12/23, Luya Tshimbalanga : > > Martin Sourada a ?crit : > > Hi, > > > > I think this one looks more like full featured camera (meaning reflex > > camera [1]) - not just some plain compact, what about making it in the > > bigger sizes similar - i.e. with some good objective. Compact cameras do > > not look IMHO that good and have harder-to-recognise shape (as they look > > much like credit cards). > > > > I don't mean to do exactly the same like in the referenced image[1], but > > some simplified Echoey version with overall look similar to that of the > > 16x16 picture would be nice, don't you think? > > > > Martin > > > > References: > > [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Canon_EOS_40D_and_85mmf1.8.jpg > > > That was my early ill attempt. x_x > Maybe that shape[2] will do and I will try that later. > > Reference: > [2]http://www.londondrugs.com/msib20/ProductImages/2715803_large.jpg > > > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From martin.sourada at seznam.cz Sun Dec 23 14:06:24 2007 From: martin.sourada at seznam.cz (Martin Sourada) Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2007 15:06:24 +0100 Subject: Echo set of camera-photo icons draft In-Reply-To: <476E3477.8060801@thefinalzone.com> References: <476CD22A.9010705@thefinalzone.com> <1198321021.2678.0.camel@camel> <476D3030.7040408@thefinalzone.com> <1198346417.2328.0.camel@camel> <476E1557.2030309@thefinalzone.com> <1198402384.14009.10.camel@pc-notebook> <476E3477.8060801@thefinalzone.com> Message-ID: <1198418784.14009.20.camel@pc-notebook> On Sun, 2007-12-23 at 11:12 +0100, Luya Tshimbalanga wrote: > That was my early ill attempt. x_x > Maybe that shape[2] will do and I will try that later. > > Reference: > [2]http://www.londondrugs.com/msib20/ProductImages/2715803_large.jpg > > What about something like this one? It still needs some polishing, mostly to the camera body (like there is missing a handle for a flash) and to the shadow (I really did it simple and fast, so especially around the lenses it looks strange). And of course it will need some simplifications for smaller sizes (32x32 and 24x24/22x22). Thanks, Martin PS: my knowledge of English somehow hit its edge here, so if there are some incorrect usage of words, feel free to correct me... :-) -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: camera-photo48c.png Type: image/png Size: 4622 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: camera-photo48c.svg Type: image/svg+xml Size: 19599 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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It may look > a bit darker than expected but anyone is welcome to bring suggestion and > modification. > > Luya > > References: > > http://luya.fedorapeople.org/images/echo/devices/camera-photo16b.png > http://luya.fedorapeople.org/images/echo/devices/camera-photo16b.svg > http://luya.fedorapeople.org/images/echo/devices/camera-photo22b.png > http://luya.fedorapeople.org/images/echo/devices/camera-photo22b.svg > http://luya.fedorapeople.org/images/echo/devices/camera-photo24b.png > http://luya.fedorapeople.org/images/echo/devices/camera-photo24b.svg > http://luya.fedorapeople.org/images/echo/devices/camera-photo32b.png > http://luya.fedorapeople.org/images/echo/devices/camera-photo32b.svg > http://luya.fedorapeople.org/images/echo/devices/camera-photo48b.png > http://luya.fedorapeople.org/images/echo/devices/camera-photo48b.svg > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From luya_tfz at thefinalzone.com Mon Dec 24 02:20:39 2007 From: luya_tfz at thefinalzone.com (Luya Tshimbalanga) Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2007 18:20:39 -0800 Subject: Echo set of camera-photo icons draft In-Reply-To: <1198418784.14009.20.camel@pc-notebook> References: <476CD22A.9010705@thefinalzone.com> <1198321021.2678.0.camel@camel> <476D3030.7040408@thefinalzone.com> <1198346417.2328.0.camel@camel> <476E1557.2030309@thefinalzone.com> <1198402384.14009.10.camel@pc-notebook> <476E3477.8060801@thefinalzone.com> <1198418784.14009.20.camel@pc-notebook> Message-ID: <476F1777.30503@thefinalzone.com> Martin Sourada a ?crit : > On Sun, 2007-12-23 at 11:12 +0100, Luya Tshimbalanga wrote: > >> That was my early ill attempt. x_x >> Maybe that shape[2] will do and I will try that later. >> >> Reference: >> [2]http://www.londondrugs.com/msib20/ProductImages/2715803_large.jpg >> >> >> > > What about something like this one? It still needs some polishing, > mostly to the camera body (like there is missing a handle for a flash) > and to the shadow (I really did it simple and fast, so especially around > the lenses it looks strange). And of course it will need some > simplifications for smaller sizes (32x32 and 24x24/22x22). > That camera-photo looks good even without flash. It is only an icon so no further details are needed. Here is the draft of smaller sizes along the modified version. Luya References: http://luya.fedorapeople.org/images/echo/devices/camera-photo22e.png http://luya.fedorapeople.org/images/echo/devices/camera-photo22e.svg http://luya.fedorapeople.org/images/echo/devices/camera-photo24e.png http://luya.fedorapeople.org/images/echo/devices/camera-photo24e.svg http://luya.fedorapeople.org/images/echo/devices/camera-photo32e.png http://luya.fedorapeople.org/images/echo/devices/camera-photo32e.svg http://luya.fedorapeople.org/images/echo/devices/camera-photo48e.png http://luya.fedorapeople.org/images/echo/devices/camera-photo48e.svg From jakub.rusinek at gmail.com Sat Dec 22 20:12:34 2007 From: jakub.rusinek at gmail.com (Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek) Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2007 21:12:34 +0100 Subject: [Draft] alternate Echo version of user-info In-Reply-To: <1195555687.2633.14.camel@pc-notebook.kolej.mff.cuni.cz> References: <473D732F.9000605@thefinalzone.com> <47401E18.7040106@thefinalzone.com> <1195476727.2633.4.camel@pc-notebook.kolej.mff.cuni.cz> <1195486595.2633.10.camel@pc-notebook.kolej.mff.cuni.cz> <4742A9E3.7010408@thefinalzone.com> <1195555687.2633.14.camel@pc-notebook.kolej.mff.cuni.cz> Message-ID: <1198354354.5041.2.camel@camel> Could you show me the icons one more time? I didn't remeber them. Dnia 20-11-2007, wto o godzinie 11:48 +0100, Martin Sourada pisze: > On Tue, 2007-11-20 at 10:33 +0100, Luya Tshimbalanga wrote: > > Slight modification. Switched the body to metallic gray gradient. > > > > Luya > > Seems good to me, perhaps the body could be a little lighter but it is > fine as is as well... Jakub? You were the one who had most critics... > Are you OK with this one? > > Martin > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list -- __ _ ___ Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek / _|___ __| |___ _ _ __ _ ( _ ) Fedora Project | _/ -_) _` / _ \ '_/ _` | / _ \ http://liviopl.jogger.pl/ |_| \___\__,_\___/_| \__,_| \___/ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Switched the body to metallic gray gradient. > > Luya > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list -- __ _ ___ Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek / _|___ __| |___ _ _ __ _ ( _ ) Fedora Project | _/ -_) _` / _ \ '_/ _` | / _ \ http://liviopl.jogger.pl/ |_| \___\__,_\___/_| \__,_| \___/ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: To jest cz??? wiadomo?ci podpisana cyfrowo URL: From martin.sourada at seznam.cz Mon Dec 24 09:47:51 2007 From: martin.sourada at seznam.cz (Martin Sourada) Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2007 10:47:51 +0100 Subject: Echo set of camera-photo icons draft In-Reply-To: <476F1777.30503@thefinalzone.com> References: <476CD22A.9010705@thefinalzone.com> <1198321021.2678.0.camel@camel> <476D3030.7040408@thefinalzone.com> <1198346417.2328.0.camel@camel> <476E1557.2030309@thefinalzone.com> <1198402384.14009.10.camel@pc-notebook> <476E3477.8060801@thefinalzone.com> <1198418784.14009.20.camel@pc-notebook> <476F1777.30503@thefinalzone.com> Message-ID: <1198489671.3545.2.camel@pc-notebook> On Mon, 2007-12-24 at 03:20 +0100, Luya Tshimbalanga wrote: > That camera-photo looks good even without flash. It is only an icon so > no further details are needed. Here is the draft of smaller sizes along > the modified version. > > Luya > > References: > http://luya.fedorapeople.org/images/echo/devices/camera-photo22e.png > http://luya.fedorapeople.org/images/echo/devices/camera-photo22e.svg > http://luya.fedorapeople.org/images/echo/devices/camera-photo24e.png > http://luya.fedorapeople.org/images/echo/devices/camera-photo24e.svg > http://luya.fedorapeople.org/images/echo/devices/camera-photo32e.png > http://luya.fedorapeople.org/images/echo/devices/camera-photo32e.svg > http://luya.fedorapeople.org/images/echo/devices/camera-photo48e.png > http://luya.fedorapeople.org/images/echo/devices/camera-photo48e.svg > Great! Only the 24x24 icon looks a little blurry, so I'd just put 1px wide transparent border to 22x22 one... From my POV it seems like ready for push to git :) Martin -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Dnia 23-12-2007, nie o godzinie 18:20 -0800, Luya Tshimbalanga pisze: > Martin Sourada a ?crit : > > On Sun, 2007-12-23 at 11:12 +0100, Luya Tshimbalanga wrote: > > > >> That was my early ill attempt. x_x > >> Maybe that shape[2] will do and I will try that later. > >> > >> Reference: > >> [2]http://www.londondrugs.com/msib20/ProductImages/2715803_large.jpg > >> > >> > >> > > > > What about something like this one? It still needs some polishing, > > mostly to the camera body (like there is missing a handle for a flash) > > and to the shadow (I really did it simple and fast, so especially around > > the lenses it looks strange). And of course it will need some > > simplifications for smaller sizes (32x32 and 24x24/22x22). > > > That camera-photo looks good even without flash. It is only an icon so > no further details are needed. Here is the draft of smaller sizes along > the modified version. > > Luya > > References: > http://luya.fedorapeople.org/images/echo/devices/camera-photo22e.png > http://luya.fedorapeople.org/images/echo/devices/camera-photo22e.svg > http://luya.fedorapeople.org/images/echo/devices/camera-photo24e.png > http://luya.fedorapeople.org/images/echo/devices/camera-photo24e.svg > http://luya.fedorapeople.org/images/echo/devices/camera-photo32e.png > http://luya.fedorapeople.org/images/echo/devices/camera-photo32e.svg > http://luya.fedorapeople.org/images/echo/devices/camera-photo48e.png > http://luya.fedorapeople.org/images/echo/devices/camera-photo48e.svg > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list -- __ _ ___ Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek / _|___ __| |___ _ _ __ _ ( _ ) Fedora Project | _/ -_) _` / _ \ '_/ _` | / _ \ http://liviopl.jogger.pl/ |_| \___\__,_\___/_| \__,_| \___/ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: To jest cz??? wiadomo?ci podpisana cyfrowo URL: From markg85 at gmail.com Mon Dec 24 19:07:58 2007 From: markg85 at gmail.com (Mark) Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2007 11:07:58 -0800 Subject: Echo set of camera-photo icons draft In-Reply-To: <1198489671.3545.2.camel@pc-notebook> References: <476CD22A.9010705@thefinalzone.com> <1198321021.2678.0.camel@camel> <476D3030.7040408@thefinalzone.com> <1198346417.2328.0.camel@camel> <476E1557.2030309@thefinalzone.com> <1198402384.14009.10.camel@pc-notebook> <476E3477.8060801@thefinalzone.com> <1198418784.14009.20.camel@pc-notebook> <476F1777.30503@thefinalzone.com> <1198489671.3545.2.camel@pc-notebook> Message-ID: <6e24a8e80712241107p63f99153g69a4eb938c4cc358@mail.gmail.com> Sorry to say but it looks like all images are either to gray or to dark. none of them looks like a camera.. Take a look at the google images [1] for camera's and base it on one of those. And i would go for this [2] one. perhaps my icon suggestions are a little to realistic for echo but the way it's going with this icon is just too dark for my taste. [1] http://images.google.nl/images?q=photo+camera&imgsz=icon&svnum=100&um=1&hl=nl&start=18&sa=N&ndsp=18 [2] http://www.30plusparty.be/design/camera.png From markg85 at gmail.com Mon Dec 24 20:24:29 2007 From: markg85 at gmail.com (Mark) Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2007 12:24:29 -0800 Subject: Echo set of camera-photo icons draft In-Reply-To: <6e24a8e80712241107p63f99153g69a4eb938c4cc358@mail.gmail.com> References: <476CD22A.9010705@thefinalzone.com> <476D3030.7040408@thefinalzone.com> <1198346417.2328.0.camel@camel> <476E1557.2030309@thefinalzone.com> <1198402384.14009.10.camel@pc-notebook> <476E3477.8060801@thefinalzone.com> <1198418784.14009.20.camel@pc-notebook> <476F1777.30503@thefinalzone.com> <1198489671.3545.2.camel@pc-notebook> <6e24a8e80712241107p63f99153g69a4eb938c4cc358@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <6e24a8e80712241224v77610e52oab35850d55f7bf9c@mail.gmail.com> And a little more images the way i like a camera [1] till [8] I personally like [4] and [5] the most (in appearance.. i never even heard of that brand). 4 with the cleanness of 5 might be the perfect combination. [1] http://www.digitalni-videokamery-fotoaparaty.cz/zbozi/103289_original.jpg [2] http://www.dpreview.com/news/0602/sony/sony_w30_silver.jpg [3] http://digineff.cz/obrdg2007/aktuality/7-9/070725pana55.jpg [4] http://www.dpreview.com/news/0601/LS2-S-slant.jpg [5] http://www.pentax.co.jp/japan/news/2007/press-image/200757-02.jpg [6] http://www.fujifilm.nl/ufc/file/fujifilm_sites/10d1d3bc311798d44ad7298f859824fd/pu/F47fd_LEFT_FRONT_OPEN_G.jpg From kevin.kofler at chello.at Mon Dec 24 23:01:08 2007 From: kevin.kofler at chello.at (Kevin Kofler) Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2007 23:01:08 +0000 (UTC) Subject: Form widgets on fpo website References: <1198441184.25840.3.camel@camel> Message-ID: Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek gmail.com> writes: > I don't know who made CSS for fpo, but he should know, that native > widgets look better than rectangular ugly ones... Could it be that your browser sucks? ;-) Konqueror is showing me only native form widgets on fedoraproject.org. Kevin Kofler From jakub.rusinek at gmail.com Mon Dec 24 23:24:01 2007 From: jakub.rusinek at gmail.com (Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek) Date: Tue, 25 Dec 2007 00:24:01 +0100 Subject: Echo set of camera-photo icons draft In-Reply-To: <6e24a8e80712241107p63f99153g69a4eb938c4cc358@mail.gmail.com> References: <476CD22A.9010705@thefinalzone.com> <1198321021.2678.0.camel@camel> <476D3030.7040408@thefinalzone.com> <1198346417.2328.0.camel@camel> <476E1557.2030309@thefinalzone.com> <1198402384.14009.10.camel@pc-notebook> <476E3477.8060801@thefinalzone.com> <1198418784.14009.20.camel@pc-notebook> <476F1777.30503@thefinalzone.com> <1198489671.3545.2.camel@pc-notebook> <6e24a8e80712241107p63f99153g69a4eb938c4cc358@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1198538641.7816.0.camel@camel> Maybe they're too dark but icons are too small to show photo-realistic things. Icons should be only symbols. Dnia 24-12-2007, pon o godzinie 11:07 -0800, Mark pisze: > Sorry to say but it looks like all images are either to gray or to > dark. none of them looks like a camera.. > > Take a look at the google images [1] for camera's and base it on one of those. > And i would go for this [2] one. > > perhaps my icon suggestions are a little to realistic for echo but the > way it's going with this icon is just too dark for my taste. > > [1] http://images.google.nl/images?q=photo+camera&imgsz=icon&svnum=100&um=1&hl=nl&start=18&sa=N&ndsp=18 > [2] http://www.30plusparty.be/design/camera.png > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list -- __ _ ___ Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek / _|___ __| |___ _ _ __ _ ( _ ) Fedora Project | _/ -_) _` / _ \ '_/ _` | / _ \ http://liviopl.jogger.pl/ |_| \___\__,_\___/_| \__,_| \___/ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Dnia 24-12-2007, pon o godzinie 23:01 +0000, Kevin Kofler pisze: > Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek gmail.com> writes: > > I don't know who made CSS for fpo, but he should know, that native > > widgets look better than rectangular ugly ones... > > Could it be that your browser sucks? ;-) Konqueror is showing me only native > form widgets on fedoraproject.org. > > Kevin Kofler > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list -- __ _ ___ Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek / _|___ __| |___ _ _ __ _ ( _ ) Fedora Project | _/ -_) _` / _ \ '_/ _` | / _ \ http://liviopl.jogger.pl/ |_| \___\__,_\___/_| \__,_| \___/ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Kevin Kofler From markg85 at gmail.com Tue Dec 25 00:33:01 2007 From: markg85 at gmail.com (Mark) Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2007 16:33:01 -0800 Subject: Echo set of camera-photo icons draft In-Reply-To: <1198538641.7816.0.camel@camel> References: <476CD22A.9010705@thefinalzone.com> <1198346417.2328.0.camel@camel> <476E1557.2030309@thefinalzone.com> <1198402384.14009.10.camel@pc-notebook> <476E3477.8060801@thefinalzone.com> <1198418784.14009.20.camel@pc-notebook> <476F1777.30503@thefinalzone.com> <1198489671.3545.2.camel@pc-notebook> <6e24a8e80712241107p63f99153g69a4eb938c4cc358@mail.gmail.com> <1198538641.7816.0.camel@camel> Message-ID: <6e24a8e80712241633j530441ceob8cb1571bd06e826@mail.gmail.com> 2007/12/24, Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek : > Maybe they're too dark but icons are too small to show photo-realistic > things. Icons should be only symbols. Even than they are to dark. making the symbols lighter would be best.. and the small icons (16x16 and 22x22) can be symbols indeed.. the bigger ones can have more details and could be (my opinion) more realistic than the ones posted so far. From jakub.rusinek at gmail.com Tue Dec 25 11:08:26 2007 From: jakub.rusinek at gmail.com (Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek) Date: Tue, 25 Dec 2007 12:08:26 +0100 Subject: Form widgets on fpo website In-Reply-To: References: <1198441184.25840.3.camel@camel> <1198538795.7816.3.camel@camel> Message-ID: <1198580906.2834.0.camel@camel> But it doesn't change the fact. Form styling (not the alignment, the appearance css part) MUST be removed or changed to non-rectangular (rectangles were nice in win9x epoch). Dnia 24-12-2007, pon o godzinie 23:53 +0000, Kevin Kofler pisze: > Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek gmail.com> writes: > > Konqueror doesn't support styled forms. > > And I'd say that's a good thing, for the exact reason you describe. I haven't > tried the KDE 4 version yet though, they might have "fixed" it. > > Kevin Kofler > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list -- __ _ ___ Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek / _|___ __| |___ _ _ __ _ ( _ ) Fedora Project | _/ -_) _` / _ \ '_/ _` | / _ \ http://liviopl.jogger.pl/ |_| \___\__,_\___/_| \__,_| \___/ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Dnia 24-12-2007, pon o godzinie 16:33 -0800, Mark pisze: > 2007/12/24, Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek : > > Maybe they're too dark but icons are too small to show photo-realistic > > things. Icons should be only symbols. > > Even than they are to dark. making the symbols lighter would be best.. > and the small icons (16x16 and 22x22) can be symbols indeed.. the > bigger ones can have more details and could be (my opinion) more > realistic than the ones posted so far. > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list -- __ _ ___ Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek / _|___ __| |___ _ _ __ _ ( _ ) Fedora Project | _/ -_) _` / _ \ '_/ _` | / _ \ http://liviopl.jogger.pl/ |_| \___\__,_\___/_| \__,_| \___/ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: To jest cz??? wiadomo?ci podpisana cyfrowo URL: From michael.d.beckwith at gmail.com Tue Dec 25 18:06:25 2007 From: michael.d.beckwith at gmail.com (Michael Beckwith) Date: Tue, 25 Dec 2007 12:06:25 -0600 Subject: Form widgets on fpo website In-Reply-To: <1198580906.2834.0.camel@camel> References: <1198441184.25840.3.camel@camel> <1198538795.7816.3.camel@camel> <1198580906.2834.0.camel@camel> Message-ID: <477146A1.8080105@gmail.com> Well, you can do the appealing to the people that be that dictate the default appearance of any sort of basic form appearance for forms. It's nothing that the art or the website team have anything to do with. Until you can appeal to the people that set this, you can either use a browser that supports styled forms, or put up with it. On a personal note, I am not really all that bothered by whatever form widgets are on fedoraproject.org root url. Only one I see is the one to switch the language, which is small enough and out of the way enough to not worry about personally. Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek wrote: > But it doesn't change the fact. Form styling (not the alignment, the > appearance css part) MUST be removed or changed to non-rectangular > (rectangles were nice in win9x epoch). > > Dnia 24-12-2007, pon o godzinie 23:53 +0000, Kevin Kofler pisze: > >> Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek gmail.com> writes: >> >>> Konqueror doesn't support styled forms. >>> >> And I'd say that's a good thing, for the exact reason you describe. I haven't >> tried the KDE 4 version yet though, they might have "fixed" it. >> >> Kevin Kofler >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Fedora-art-list mailing list >> Fedora-art-list at redhat.com >> http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Fedora-art-list mailing list >> Fedora-art-list at redhat.com >> http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list >> -- ~Michael http://ridleytx.structed.net (for now) http://michaelbox.net (eventually) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jakub.rusinek at gmail.com Tue Dec 25 18:14:43 2007 From: jakub.rusinek at gmail.com (Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek) Date: Tue, 25 Dec 2007 19:14:43 +0100 Subject: Form widgets on fpo website In-Reply-To: <477146A1.8080105@gmail.com> References: <1198441184.25840.3.camel@camel> <1198538795.7816.3.camel@camel> <1198580906.2834.0.camel@camel> <477146A1.8080105@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1198606483.4246.12.camel@camel> Exactly that widgets should not be styled. Dnia 25-12-2007, wto o godzinie 12:06 -0600, Michael Beckwith pisze: > Well, you can do the appealing to the people that be that dictate the > default appearance of any sort of basic form appearance for forms. > It's nothing that the art or the website team have anything to do > with. Until you can appeal to the people that set this, you can either > use a browser that supports styled forms, or put up with it. > > On a personal note, I am not really all that bothered by whatever form > widgets are on fedoraproject.org root url. Only one I see is the one > to switch the language, which is small enough and out of the way > enough to not worry about personally. > > Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek wrote: > > But it doesn't change the fact. Form styling (not the alignment, the > > appearance css part) MUST be removed or changed to non-rectangular > > (rectangles were nice in win9x epoch). > > > > Dnia 24-12-2007, pon o godzinie 23:53 +0000, Kevin Kofler pisze: > > > > > Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek gmail.com> writes: > > > > > > > Konqueror doesn't support styled forms. > > > > > > > And I'd say that's a good thing, for the exact reason you describe. I haven't > > > tried the KDE 4 version yet though, they might have "fixed" it. > > > > > > Kevin Kofler > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Fedora-art-list mailing list > > > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > > > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________________________ > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Fedora-art-list mailing list > > > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > > > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list > > > > > > -- > ~Michael > http://ridleytx.structed.net (for now) > http://michaelbox.net (eventually) > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list -- __ _ ___ Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek / _|___ __| |___ _ _ __ _ ( _ ) Fedora Project | _/ -_) _` / _ \ '_/ _` | / _ \ http://liviopl.jogger.pl/ |_| \___\__,_\___/_| \__,_| \___/ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: To jest cz??? wiadomo?ci podpisana cyfrowo URL: From michael.d.beckwith at gmail.com Tue Dec 25 18:23:19 2007 From: michael.d.beckwith at gmail.com (Michael Beckwith) Date: Tue, 25 Dec 2007 12:23:19 -0600 Subject: Form widgets on fpo website In-Reply-To: <1198606483.4246.12.camel@camel> References: <1198441184.25840.3.camel@camel> <1198538795.7816.3.camel@camel> <1198580906.2834.0.camel@camel> <477146A1.8080105@gmail.com> <1198606483.4246.12.camel@camel> Message-ID: <47714A97.1060102@gmail.com> I see nothing wrong with styling it for those who have support for it. It's a web accessability thing. Ability to style it and see a nice looking form, or if your browser doesn't support it, then it still gets form controls with the universal default which still allows it to be useable. If your complaint is that the styled version is "90ish" with a square appearance, then I will reconsider my arguements. Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek wrote: > Exactly that widgets should not be styled. > > Dnia 25-12-2007, wto o godzinie 12:06 -0600, Michael Beckwith pisze: > >> Well, you can do the appealing to the people that be that dictate the >> default appearance of any sort of basic form appearance for forms. >> It's nothing that the art or the website team have anything to do >> with. Until you can appeal to the people that set this, you can either >> use a browser that supports styled forms, or put up with it. >> >> On a personal note, I am not really all that bothered by whatever form >> widgets are on fedoraproject.org root url. Only one I see is the one >> to switch the language, which is small enough and out of the way >> enough to not worry about personally. >> >> Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek wrote: >> >>> But it doesn't change the fact. Form styling (not the alignment, the >>> appearance css part) MUST be removed or changed to non-rectangular >>> (rectangles were nice in win9x epoch). >>> >>> >> -- >> ~Michael >> http://ridleytx.structed.net (for now) >> http://michaelbox.net (eventually) >> _______________________________________________ >> Fedora-art-list mailing list >> Fedora-art-list at redhat.com >> http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Fedora-art-list mailing list >> Fedora-art-list at redhat.com >> http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list >> -- ~Michael http://ridleytx.structed.net (for now) http://michaelbox.net (eventually) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jakub.rusinek at gmail.com Tue Dec 25 18:29:22 2007 From: jakub.rusinek at gmail.com (Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek) Date: Tue, 25 Dec 2007 19:29:22 +0100 Subject: Form widgets on fpo website In-Reply-To: <47714A97.1060102@gmail.com> References: <1198441184.25840.3.camel@camel> <1198538795.7816.3.camel@camel> <1198580906.2834.0.camel@camel> <477146A1.8080105@gmail.com> <1198606483.4246.12.camel@camel> <47714A97.1060102@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1198607362.4246.14.camel@camel> You don't understand. Rectangular widgets, non-native are ugly and they're making websites looking more out-of-the-box, what's wrong. Dnia 25-12-2007, wto o godzinie 12:23 -0600, Michael Beckwith pisze: > I see nothing wrong with styling it for those who have support for it. > It's a web accessability thing. Ability to style it and see a nice > looking form, or if your browser doesn't support it, then it still > gets form controls with the universal default which still allows it to > be useable. If your complaint is that the styled version is "90ish" > with a square appearance, then I will reconsider my arguements. > > Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek wrote: > > Exactly that widgets should not be styled. > > > > Dnia 25-12-2007, wto o godzinie 12:06 -0600, Michael Beckwith pisze: > > > > > Well, you can do the appealing to the people that be that dictate the > > > default appearance of any sort of basic form appearance for forms. > > > It's nothing that the art or the website team have anything to do > > > with. Until you can appeal to the people that set this, you can either > > > use a browser that supports styled forms, or put up with it. > > > > > > On a personal note, I am not really all that bothered by whatever form > > > widgets are on fedoraproject.org root url. Only one I see is the one > > > to switch the language, which is small enough and out of the way > > > enough to not worry about personally. > > > > > > Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek wrote: > > > > > > > But it doesn't change the fact. Form styling (not the alignment, the > > > > appearance css part) MUST be removed or changed to non-rectangular > > > > (rectangles were nice in win9x epoch). > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > ~Michael > > > http://ridleytx.structed.net (for now) > > > http://michaelbox.net (eventually) > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Fedora-art-list mailing list > > > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > > > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________________________ > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Fedora-art-list mailing list > > > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > > > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list > > > > > > -- > ~Michael > http://ridleytx.structed.net (for now) > http://michaelbox.net (eventually) > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list -- __ _ ___ Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek / _|___ __| |___ _ _ __ _ ( _ ) Fedora Project | _/ -_) _` / _ \ '_/ _` | / _ \ http://liviopl.jogger.pl/ |_| \___\__,_\___/_| \__,_| \___/ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: To jest cz??? wiadomo?ci podpisana cyfrowo URL: From michael.d.beckwith at gmail.com Tue Dec 25 19:16:10 2007 From: michael.d.beckwith at gmail.com (Michael Beckwith) Date: Tue, 25 Dec 2007 13:16:10 -0600 Subject: Form widgets on fpo website In-Reply-To: <1198607362.4246.14.camel@camel> References: <1198441184.25840.3.camel@camel> <1198538795.7816.3.camel@camel> <1198580906.2834.0.camel@camel> <477146A1.8080105@gmail.com> <1198606483.4246.12.camel@camel> <47714A97.1060102@gmail.com> <1198607362.4246.14.camel@camel> Message-ID: <477156FA.90407@gmail.com> FP.org is not a Web 2.0centric website. The most important thing for it to do is present information about Fedora. If you really want to have things with the form change, contact the right mailing list and appeal your case to them. Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek wrote: > You don't understand. Rectangular widgets, non-native are ugly and > they're making websites looking more out-of-the-box, what's wrong. > > Dnia 25-12-2007, wto o godzinie 12:23 -0600, Michael Beckwith pisze: > >> I see nothing wrong with styling it for those who have support for it. >> It's a web accessability thing. Ability to style it and see a nice >> looking form, or if your browser doesn't support it, then it still >> gets form controls with the universal default which still allows it to >> be useable. If your complaint is that the styled version is "90ish" >> with a square appearance, then I will reconsider my arguements. >> >> Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek wrote: >> >>> Exactly that widgets should not be styled. >>> >>> Dnia 25-12-2007, wto o godzinie 12:06 -0600, Michael Beckwith pisze: >>> >>> >>>> Well, you can do the appealing to the people that be that dictate the >>>> default appearance of any sort of basic form appearance for forms. >>>> It's nothing that the art or the website team have anything to do >>>> with. Until you can appeal to the people that set this, you can either >>>> use a browser that supports styled forms, or put up with it. >>>> >>>> On a personal note, I am not really all that bothered by whatever form >>>> widgets are on fedoraproject.org root url. Only one I see is the one >>>> to switch the language, which is small enough and out of the way >>>> enough to not worry about personally. >>>> >>>> Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>>> But it doesn't change the fact. Form styling (not the alignment, the >>>>> appearance css part) MUST be removed or changed to non-rectangular >>>>> (rectangles were nice in win9x epoch). >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> -- >>>> ~Michael >>>> http://ridleytx.structed.net (for now) >>>> http://michaelbox.net (eventually) >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Fedora-art-list mailing list >>>> Fedora-art-list at redhat.com >>>> http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list >>>> >>>> >>>> __________________________________________________________________ >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Fedora-art-list mailing list >>>> Fedora-art-list at redhat.com >>>> http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list >>>> >>>> >> -- >> ~Michael >> http://ridleytx.structed.net (for now) >> http://michaelbox.net (eventually) >> _______________________________________________ >> Fedora-art-list mailing list >> Fedora-art-list at redhat.com >> http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Fedora-art-list mailing list >> Fedora-art-list at redhat.com >> http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list >> -- ~Michael http://ridleytx.structed.net (for now) http://michaelbox.net (eventually) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jakub.rusinek at gmail.com Tue Dec 25 19:47:54 2007 From: jakub.rusinek at gmail.com (Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek) Date: Tue, 25 Dec 2007 20:47:54 +0100 Subject: Form widgets on fpo website In-Reply-To: <477156FA.90407@gmail.com> References: <1198441184.25840.3.camel@camel> <1198538795.7816.3.camel@camel> <1198580906.2834.0.camel@camel> <477146A1.8080105@gmail.com> <1198606483.4246.12.camel@camel> <47714A97.1060102@gmail.com> <1198607362.4246.14.camel@camel> <477156FA.90407@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1198612074.6262.0.camel@camel> What styling form has to do with Web2.0? What you're talking about, man?! Dnia 25-12-2007, wto o godzinie 13:16 -0600, Michael Beckwith pisze: > FP.org is not a Web 2.0centric website. The most important thing for > it to do is present information about Fedora. If you really want to > have things with the form change, contact the right mailing list and > appeal your case to them. > > Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek wrote: > > You don't understand. Rectangular widgets, non-native are ugly and > > they're making websites looking more out-of-the-box, what's wrong. > > > > Dnia 25-12-2007, wto o godzinie 12:23 -0600, Michael Beckwith pisze: > > > > > I see nothing wrong with styling it for those who have support for it. > > > It's a web accessability thing. Ability to style it and see a nice > > > looking form, or if your browser doesn't support it, then it still > > > gets form controls with the universal default which still allows it to > > > be useable. If your complaint is that the styled version is "90ish" > > > with a square appearance, then I will reconsider my arguements. > > > > > > Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek wrote: > > > > > > > Exactly that widgets should not be styled. > > > > > > > > Dnia 25-12-2007, wto o godzinie 12:06 -0600, Michael Beckwith pisze: > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well, you can do the appealing to the people that be that dictate the > > > > > default appearance of any sort of basic form appearance for forms. > > > > > It's nothing that the art or the website team have anything to do > > > > > with. Until you can appeal to the people that set this, you can either > > > > > use a browser that supports styled forms, or put up with it. > > > > > > > > > > On a personal note, I am not really all that bothered by whatever form > > > > > widgets are on fedoraproject.org root url. Only one I see is the one > > > > > to switch the language, which is small enough and out of the way > > > > > enough to not worry about personally. > > > > > > > > > > Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But it doesn't change the fact. Form styling (not the alignment, the > > > > > > appearance css part) MUST be removed or changed to non-rectangular > > > > > > (rectangles were nice in win9x epoch). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > ~Michael > > > > > http://ridleytx.structed.net (for now) > > > > > http://michaelbox.net (eventually) > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > Fedora-art-list mailing list > > > > > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > > > > > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________________________ > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > Fedora-art-list mailing list > > > > > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > > > > > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > ~Michael > > > http://ridleytx.structed.net (for now) > > > http://michaelbox.net (eventually) > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Fedora-art-list mailing list > > > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > > > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________________________ > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Fedora-art-list mailing list > > > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > > > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list > > > > > > -- > ~Michael > http://ridleytx.structed.net (for now) > http://michaelbox.net (eventually) > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list -- __ _ ___ Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek / _|___ __| |___ _ _ __ _ ( _ ) Fedora Project | _/ -_) _` / _ \ '_/ _` | / _ \ http://liviopl.jogger.pl/ |_| \___\__,_\___/_| \__,_| \___/ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: To jest cz??? wiadomo?ci podpisana cyfrowo URL: From michael.d.beckwith at gmail.com Tue Dec 25 21:50:55 2007 From: michael.d.beckwith at gmail.com (Michael Beckwith) Date: Tue, 25 Dec 2007 15:50:55 -0600 Subject: Form widgets on fpo website In-Reply-To: <1198612074.6262.0.camel@camel> References: <1198441184.25840.3.camel@camel> <1198538795.7816.3.camel@camel> <1198580906.2834.0.camel@camel> <477146A1.8080105@gmail.com> <1198606483.4246.12.camel@camel> <47714A97.1060102@gmail.com> <1198607362.4246.14.camel@camel> <477156FA.90407@gmail.com> <1198612074.6262.0.camel@camel> Message-ID: <47717B3F.5080504@gmail.com> A lot of web2.0 styling and appearance relies on curved edges, rounded corners, lots of gradients, glossy buttons, etc. Your complaint is about square "ugly" form buttons. Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek wrote: > What styling form has to do with Web2.0? What you're talking about, > man?! > > Dnia 25-12-2007, wto o godzinie 13:16 -0600, Michael Beckwith pisze: > >> FP.org is not a Web 2.0centric website. The most important thing for >> it to do is present information about Fedora. If you really want to >> have things with the form change, contact the right mailing list and >> appeal your case to them. >> >> >> -- >> ~Michael >> http://ridleytx.structed.net (for now) >> http://michaelbox.net (eventually) >> _______________________________________________ >> Fedora-art-list mailing list >> Fedora-art-list at redhat.com >> http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Fedora-art-list mailing list >> Fedora-art-list at redhat.com >> http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list >> -- ~Michael http://ridleytx.structed.net (for now) http://michaelbox.net (eventually) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From michael.d.beckwith at gmail.com Tue Dec 25 21:58:29 2007 From: michael.d.beckwith at gmail.com (Michael Beckwith) Date: Tue, 25 Dec 2007 15:58:29 -0600 Subject: Form widgets on fpo website In-Reply-To: <1198612074.6262.0.camel@camel> References: <1198441184.25840.3.camel@camel> <1198538795.7816.3.camel@camel> <1198580906.2834.0.camel@camel> <477146A1.8080105@gmail.com> <1198606483.4246.12.camel@camel> <47714A97.1060102@gmail.com> <1198607362.4246.14.camel@camel> <477156FA.90407@gmail.com> <1198612074.6262.0.camel@camel> Message-ID: <47717D05.2070908@gmail.com> Actually, Jakub, could you do me a favor and link to a page or image of the type of form styling you would like to see? From jakub.rusinek at gmail.com Tue Dec 25 23:24:28 2007 From: jakub.rusinek at gmail.com (Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek) Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2007 00:24:28 +0100 Subject: Form widgets on fpo website In-Reply-To: <47717D05.2070908@gmail.com> References: <1198441184.25840.3.camel@camel> <1198538795.7816.3.camel@camel> <1198580906.2834.0.camel@camel> <477146A1.8080105@gmail.com> <1198606483.4246.12.camel@camel> <47714A97.1060102@gmail.com> <1198607362.4246.14.camel@camel> <477156FA.90407@gmail.com> <1198612074.6262.0.camel@camel> <47717D05.2070908@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1198625068.2424.0.camel@camel> Google.com - native widgets. Dnia 25-12-2007, wto o godzinie 15:58 -0600, Michael Beckwith pisze: > Actually, Jakub, could you do me a favor and link to a page or image of > the type of form styling you would like to see? > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list -- __ _ ___ Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek / _|___ __| |___ _ _ __ _ ( _ ) Fedora Project | _/ -_) _` / _ \ '_/ _` | / _ \ http://liviopl.jogger.pl/ |_| \___\__,_\___/_| \__,_| \___/ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: To jest cz??? wiadomo?ci podpisana cyfrowo URL: From michael.d.beckwith at gmail.com Wed Dec 26 00:38:29 2007 From: michael.d.beckwith at gmail.com (Michael Beckwith) Date: Tue, 25 Dec 2007 18:38:29 -0600 Subject: Form widgets on fpo website In-Reply-To: <1198625068.2424.0.camel@camel> References: <1198441184.25840.3.camel@camel> <1198538795.7816.3.camel@camel> <1198580906.2834.0.camel@camel> <477146A1.8080105@gmail.com> <1198606483.4246.12.camel@camel> <47714A97.1060102@gmail.com> <1198607362.4246.14.camel@camel> <477156FA.90407@gmail.com> <1198612074.6262.0.camel@camel> <47717D05.2070908@gmail.com> <1198625068.2424.0.camel@camel> Message-ID: <4771A285.9060602@gmail.com> Why should I do a google search for something you're arguing for? I don't have a problem with what I'm seeing when I visit the page. Just for the sake of not arguing, I did do a google search for both "native widgets" and didn't find any sort of examples of what I was asking for. Maybe I'm just blind, so if you could point one out like I asked, I'd be happy to click. Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek wrote: > Google.com - native widgets. > > Dnia 25-12-2007, wto o godzinie 15:58 -0600, Michael Beckwith pisze: > >> Actually, Jakub, could you do me a favor and link to a page or image of >> the type of form styling you would like to see? >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Fedora-art-list mailing list >> Fedora-art-list at redhat.com >> http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Fedora-art-list mailing list >> Fedora-art-list at redhat.com >> http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list >> -- ~Michael http://ridleytx.structed.net (for now) http://michaelbox.net (eventually) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mmcgrath at redhat.com Wed Dec 26 04:32:07 2007 From: mmcgrath at redhat.com (Mike McGrath) Date: Tue, 25 Dec 2007 22:32:07 -0600 (CST) Subject: Form widgets on fpo website In-Reply-To: <1198441184.25840.3.camel@camel> References: <1198441184.25840.3.camel@camel> Message-ID: On Sun, 23 Dec 2007, Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek wrote: > Hi, > > I don't know who made CSS for fpo, but he should know, that native > widgets look better than rectangular ugly ones... > > Especially when Firefox 3 is gonna arrive very quickly. FWIW, - http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Websites/ShowUs -Mike From martin.sourada at seznam.cz Wed Dec 26 08:35:12 2007 From: martin.sourada at seznam.cz (Martin Sourada) Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2007 09:35:12 +0100 Subject: Form widgets on fpo website In-Reply-To: <4771A285.9060602@gmail.com> References: <1198441184.25840.3.camel@camel> <1198538795.7816.3.camel@camel> <1198580906.2834.0.camel@camel> <477146A1.8080105@gmail.com> <1198606483.4246.12.camel@camel> <47714A97.1060102@gmail.com> <1198607362.4246.14.camel@camel> <477156FA.90407@gmail.com> <1198612074.6262.0.camel@camel> <47717D05.2070908@gmail.com> <1198625068.2424.0.camel@camel> <4771A285.9060602@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1198658112.12560.4.camel@pc-notebook> On Wed, 2007-12-26 at 01:38 +0100, Michael Beckwith wrote: > Why should I do a google search for something you're arguing for? > I don't have a problem with what I'm seeing when I visit the page. > Just for the sake of not arguing, I did do a google search for > both "native widgets" and didn't find any sort of examples of what > I was asking for. Maybe I'm just blind, so if you could point one > out like I asked, I'd be happy to click. > Personally I think he meant the google.com page itself as an example with the "right" widgets. So to show you the differences: this[ff-old.png] is start.fp.o in F8's epiphany, this[ff-native] is start.fp.o in FF3 and this[ff-fpo] is fp.o. I guess you see the difference on first sight ;) Martin -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: ff-old.png Type: image/png Size: 10424 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: ff-native.png Type: image/png Size: 10417 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: ff-fpo.png Type: image/png Size: 3333 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From jakub.rusinek at gmail.com Wed Dec 26 11:49:25 2007 From: jakub.rusinek at gmail.com (Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek) Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2007 12:49:25 +0100 Subject: Form widgets on fpo website In-Reply-To: <4771A285.9060602@gmail.com> References: <1198441184.25840.3.camel@camel> <1198538795.7816.3.camel@camel> <1198580906.2834.0.camel@camel> <477146A1.8080105@gmail.com> <1198606483.4246.12.camel@camel> <47714A97.1060102@gmail.com> <1198607362.4246.14.camel@camel> <477156FA.90407@gmail.com> <1198612074.6262.0.camel@camel> <47717D05.2070908@gmail.com> <1198625068.2424.0.camel@camel> <4771A285.9060602@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1198669765.2414.0.camel@camel> You're blind... Google.com has native widgets! Dnia 25-12-2007, wto o godzinie 18:38 -0600, Michael Beckwith pisze: > Why should I do a google search for something you're arguing for? I > don't have a problem with what I'm seeing when I visit the page. Just > for the sake of not arguing, I did do a google search for both "native > widgets" and didn't find any sort of examples of what I was asking > for. Maybe I'm just blind, so if you could point one out like I asked, > I'd be happy to click. > > Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek wrote: > > Google.com - native widgets. > > > > Dnia 25-12-2007, wto o godzinie 15:58 -0600, Michael Beckwith pisze: > > > > > Actually, Jakub, could you do me a favor and link to a page or image of > > > the type of form styling you would like to see? > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Fedora-art-list mailing list > > > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > > > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________________________ > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Fedora-art-list mailing list > > > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > > > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list > > > > > > -- > ~Michael > http://ridleytx.structed.net (for now) > http://michaelbox.net (eventually) > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list -- __ _ ___ Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek / _|___ __| |___ _ _ __ _ ( _ ) Fedora Project | _/ -_) _` / _ \ '_/ _` | / _ \ http://liviopl.jogger.pl/ |_| \___\__,_\___/_| \__,_| \___/ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: To jest cz??? wiadomo?ci podpisana cyfrowo URL: From jakub.rusinek at gmail.com Wed Dec 26 11:50:43 2007 From: jakub.rusinek at gmail.com (Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek) Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2007 12:50:43 +0100 Subject: Form widgets on fpo website In-Reply-To: <1198658112.12560.4.camel@pc-notebook> References: <1198441184.25840.3.camel@camel> <1198538795.7816.3.camel@camel> <1198580906.2834.0.camel@camel> <477146A1.8080105@gmail.com> <1198606483.4246.12.camel@camel> <47714A97.1060102@gmail.com> <1198607362.4246.14.camel@camel> <477156FA.90407@gmail.com> <1198612074.6262.0.camel@camel> <47717D05.2070908@gmail.com> <1198625068.2424.0.camel@camel> <4771A285.9060602@gmail.com> <1198658112.12560.4.camel@pc-notebook> Message-ID: <1198669843.2414.2.camel@camel> Firefox3 provides beautiful native GTK widgets, so we shouldn't provide CSS for them. Dnia 26-12-2007, ?ro o godzinie 09:35 +0100, Martin Sourada pisze: > On Wed, 2007-12-26 at 01:38 +0100, Michael Beckwith wrote: > > Why should I do a google search for something you're arguing for? > > I don't have a problem with what I'm seeing when I visit the page. > > Just for the sake of not arguing, I did do a google search for > > both "native widgets" and didn't find any sort of examples of what > > I was asking for. Maybe I'm just blind, so if you could point one > > out like I asked, I'd be happy to click. > > > > Personally I think he meant the google.com page itself as an example > with the "right" widgets. So to show you the differences: > this[ff-old.png] is start.fp.o in F8's epiphany, this[ff-native] is > start.fp.o in FF3 and this[ff-fpo] is fp.o. I guess you see the > difference on first sight ;) > > Martin > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list -- __ _ ___ Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek / _|___ __| |___ _ _ __ _ ( _ ) Fedora Project | _/ -_) _` / _ \ '_/ _` | / _ \ http://liviopl.jogger.pl/ |_| \___\__,_\___/_| \__,_| \___/ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: To jest cz??? wiadomo?ci podpisana cyfrowo URL: From michael.d.beckwith at gmail.com Wed Dec 26 18:47:37 2007 From: michael.d.beckwith at gmail.com (Michael Beckwith) Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2007 12:47:37 -0600 Subject: Form widgets on fpo website In-Reply-To: <1198669765.2414.0.camel@camel> References: <1198441184.25840.3.camel@camel> <1198538795.7816.3.camel@camel> <1198580906.2834.0.camel@camel> <477146A1.8080105@gmail.com> <1198606483.4246.12.camel@camel> <47714A97.1060102@gmail.com> <1198607362.4246.14.camel@camel> <477156FA.90407@gmail.com> <1198612074.6262.0.camel@camel> <47717D05.2070908@gmail.com> <1198625068.2424.0.camel@camel> <4771A285.9060602@gmail.com> <1198669765.2414.0.camel@camel> Message-ID: <4772A1C9.4060902@gmail.com> I'm apparently blind, you're unclear with what you say. From a personal standpoint, when someone lists some terms with any reference to google, they mean to do searching, not look at the buttons on the page. Should have clarified. Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek wrote: > You're blind... Google.com has native widgets! > > Dnia 25-12-2007, wto o godzinie 18:38 -0600, Michael Beckwith pisze: > >> Why should I do a google search for something you're arguing for? I >> don't have a problem with what I'm seeing when I visit the page. Just >> for the sake of not arguing, I did do a google search for both "native >> widgets" and didn't find any sort of examples of what I was asking >> for. Maybe I'm just blind, so if you could point one out like I asked, >> I'd be happy to click. >> -- >> >> ~Michael >> http://ridleytx.structed.net (for now) >> http://michaelbox.net (eventually) >> _______________________________________________ >> Fedora-art-list mailing list >> Fedora-art-list at redhat.com >> http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Fedora-art-list mailing list >> Fedora-art-list at redhat.com >> http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list >> For the sake of arguement of why I was, perhaps, not the best person to try arguing the point, I attached what I see with most form buttons, including google.com. It takes on the colors of my gnome theme overall, using 2.0.0.10 build of FF Martin Sourada wrote: > On Wed, 2007-12-26 at 01:38 +0100, Michael Beckwith wrote: > >> Why should I do a google search for something you're arguing for? >> I don't have a problem with what I'm seeing when I visit the page. >> Just for the sake of not arguing, I did do a google search for >> both "native widgets" and didn't find any sort of examples of what >> I was asking for. Maybe I'm just blind, so if you could point one >> out like I asked, I'd be happy to click. >> >> > > Personally I think he meant the google.com page itself as an example > with the "right" widgets. So to show you the differences: > this[ff-old.png] is start.fp.o in F8's epiphany, this[ff-native] is > start.fp.o in FF3 and this[ff-fpo] is fp.o. 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Name: google.png Type: image/png Size: 21735 bytes Desc: not available URL: From jakub.rusinek at gmail.com Wed Dec 26 18:55:23 2007 From: jakub.rusinek at gmail.com (Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek) Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2007 19:55:23 +0100 Subject: Form widgets on fpo website In-Reply-To: <4772A1C9.4060902@gmail.com> References: <1198441184.25840.3.camel@camel> <1198538795.7816.3.camel@camel> <1198580906.2834.0.camel@camel> <477146A1.8080105@gmail.com> <1198606483.4246.12.camel@camel> <47714A97.1060102@gmail.com> <1198607362.4246.14.camel@camel> <477156FA.90407@gmail.com> <1198612074.6262.0.camel@camel> <47717D05.2070908@gmail.com> <1198625068.2424.0.camel@camel> <4771A285.9060602@gmail.com> <1198669765.2414.0.camel@camel> <4772A1C9.4060902@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1198695323.2595.0.camel@camel> Well, Firefox !=< 3 sucks a little bit. Dnia 26-12-2007, ?ro o godzinie 12:47 -0600, Michael Beckwith pisze: > I'm apparently blind, you're unclear with what you say. From a > personal standpoint, when someone lists some terms with any reference > to google, they mean to do searching, not look at the buttons on the > page. Should have clarified. > Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek wrote: > > You're blind... Google.com has native widgets! > > > > Dnia 25-12-2007, wto o godzinie 18:38 -0600, Michael Beckwith pisze: > > > > > Why should I do a google search for something you're arguing for? I > > > don't have a problem with what I'm seeing when I visit the page. Just > > > for the sake of not arguing, I did do a google search for both "native > > > widgets" and didn't find any sort of examples of what I was asking > > > for. Maybe I'm just blind, so if you could point one out like I asked, > > > I'd be happy to click. > > > -- > > > > > > ~Michael > > > http://ridleytx.structed.net (for now) > > > http://michaelbox.net (eventually) > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Fedora-art-list mailing list > > > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > > > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________________________ > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Fedora-art-list mailing list > > > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > > > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list > > > > For the sake of arguement of why I was, perhaps, not the best person > to try arguing the point, I attached what I see with most form > buttons, including google.com. It takes on the colors of my gnome > theme overall, using 2.0.0.10 build of FF > > > > > Martin Sourada wrote: > > On Wed, 2007-12-26 at 01:38 +0100, Michael Beckwith wrote: > > > > > Why should I do a google search for something you're arguing for? > > > I don't have a problem with what I'm seeing when I visit the page. > > > Just for the sake of not arguing, I did do a google search for > > > both "native widgets" and didn't find any sort of examples of what > > > I was asking for. Maybe I'm just blind, so if you could point one > > > out like I asked, I'd be happy to click. > > > > > > > > > > Personally I think he meant the google.com page itself as an example > > with the "right" widgets. So to show you the differences: > > this[ff-old.png] is start.fp.o in F8's epiphany, this[ff-native] is > > start.fp.o in FF3 and this[ff-fpo] is fp.o. I guess you see the > > difference on first sight ;) > > > > Martin > > > -- > ~Michael > http://ridleytx.structed.net (for now) > http://michaelbox.net (eventually) > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list -- __ _ ___ Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek / _|___ __| |___ _ _ __ _ ( _ ) Fedora Project | _/ -_) _` / _ \ '_/ _` | / _ \ http://liviopl.jogger.pl/ |_| \___\__,_\___/_| \__,_| \___/ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: To jest cz??? wiadomo?ci podpisana cyfrowo URL: From duffy at redhat.com Wed Dec 26 23:24:51 2007 From: duffy at redhat.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?M=E1ir=EDn_Duffy?=) Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2007 18:24:51 -0500 Subject: Draft Schedule for F9 Message-ID: <4772E2C3.7050000@redhat.com> Hi John, Thanks for your work on the schedule! Here is all the feedback I can think of: - getting the CD/DVD label and box design artwork ready for the printer took around 3 weeks this go around. Hopefully, since we will have the same printer next time and because we were able to develop a color profile with them for printing, that could probably be 2 weeks for F9. (iow, actually coming up with the design and then preparing the design for the printer are two kind of different tasks) - there isn't too much room in the schedule for 'bugfixing'. For example, in F8 we went back and added the hostname to the GDM theme because it somehow had been omitted. Since we're pushing to get the artwork into the beta we might get a lot more feedback and "bugs" to address. I guess I don't see too much room in the schedule for that though? - banner creation for marketing having 2 weeks is probably a bit much, 1 week is prolly fine. - As Nicu mentioned already, there are a lot of subtasks to the theming process. Here are the subtasks that may be worth noting on the schedule: -- Round 1: - theme proposal wiki page created - theme proposal announcement sent out - 3 conceptual sketches completed -- Round 2: - theme wallpaper draft completed - vertically long supporting artwork completed - horizontally long supporting artwork completed - square supporting artwork completed -- Round 3: - fullscreen splash for syslinux - square splash for anaconda and firstboot - anaconda horizontal header - firstboot vertical header - fullscreen grub splash - bootup/loading graphics (new rhgb coming for f9?) - fullscreen splash for gdm (new gdm, only wallpaper image needed) - kdm login screen theme - gnome splash screen - kde splash screen - gnome screensaver lock dialog ~m From duffy at redhat.com Wed Dec 26 23:35:04 2007 From: duffy at redhat.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?M=E1ir=EDn_Duffy?=) Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2007 18:35:04 -0500 Subject: Imagine Message-ID: <4772E528.6090302@redhat.com> > Imagine.... a theme around this > > http://tieguy.org/blog/2007/12/19/happyhappyjoyjoy/ Do you want to make this an offical proposal? :) ~m From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Thu Dec 27 01:40:28 2007 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2007 07:10:28 +0530 Subject: Imagine In-Reply-To: <4772E528.6090302@redhat.com> References: <4772E528.6090302@redhat.com> Message-ID: <4773028C.3090908@fedoraproject.org> M?ir?n Duffy wrote: >> Imagine.... a theme around this >> >> http://tieguy.org/blog/2007/12/19/happyhappyjoyjoy/ > > Do you want to make this an offical proposal? :) I was thinking of it primarily as another way to convey the idea of freedom. So technically it would just be a part of https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/F9Themes/Freedom Not exactly that image but the general impressions from it. Our themes have been so far abstract and I think actual people in a photograph or a realistic graphics rendering of a similar image might be a good thing to try. Rahul From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Thu Dec 27 06:57:59 2007 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2007 08:57:59 +0200 Subject: Imagine In-Reply-To: <4773028C.3090908@fedoraproject.org> References: <4772E528.6090302@redhat.com> <4773028C.3090908@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <47734CF7.5030307@nicubunu.ro> Rahul Sundaram wrote: > I was thinking of it primarily as another way to convey the idea of > freedom. So technically it would just be a part of > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/F9Themes/Freedom > > Not exactly that image but the general impressions from it. Our themes > have been so far abstract and I think actual people in a photograph or a > realistic graphics rendering of a similar image might be a good thing > to try. While photos of unknown people (about whom I don't feel anything) is not exactly my cup of tea as desktop theming, I agree *some* will like that (how many, maybe we can learn by having an official proposal and see the feed-back). But I think such a theme should be *completely* made by photos, not only the desktop background. -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From mola.mp at gmail.com Fri Dec 28 09:34:10 2007 From: mola.mp at gmail.com (Mola Pahnadayan) Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2007 13:04:10 +0330 Subject: I add Two theme Message-ID: <4774C312.1000209@gmail.com> Hi all perhaps second theme have not good name 1. https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/F9Themes/electric-sphere 2. https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/F9Themes/Night -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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This is what its vivid colors suggests to me. -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From ljuwaida at fedoraproject.org Fri Dec 28 17:07:17 2007 From: ljuwaida at fedoraproject.org (Laith Juwaidah) Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2007 21:07:17 +0400 Subject: I add Two theme In-Reply-To: <4774C312.1000209@gmail.com> References: <4774C312.1000209@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200712282107.17757.ljuwaida@fedoraproject.org> On Friday 28 December 2007 13:34:10 Mola Pahnadayan wrote: > Hi all > > perhaps second theme have not good name > > 1. https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/F9Themes/electric-sphere > 2. https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/F9Themes/Night I like the first picture of electric sphere, can you figure out a way to make it a background? :P -- Laith Juwaidah http://www.ljuwaidah.org/ From roguexz at gmail.com Sat Dec 29 06:12:27 2007 From: roguexz at gmail.com (Rogue) Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2007 11:42:27 +0530 Subject: Form widgets on fpo website In-Reply-To: <1198669843.2414.2.camel@camel> References: <1198441184.25840.3.camel@camel> <1198538795.7816.3.camel@camel> <1198580906.2834.0.camel@camel> <477146A1.8080105@gmail.com> <1198606483.4246.12.camel@camel> <47714A97.1060102@gmail.com> <1198607362.4246.14.camel@camel> <477156FA.90407@gmail.com> <1198612074.6262.0.camel@camel> <47717D05.2070908@gmail.com> <1198625068.2424.0.camel@camel> <4771A285.9060602@gmail.com> <1198658112.12560.4.camel@pc-notebook> <1198669843.2414.2.camel@camel> Message-ID: <4775E54B.6040602@gmail.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek wrote: > Firefox3 provides beautiful native GTK widgets, so we shouldn't provide > CSS for them. > The idea of CSS styling of the widgets is to ensure that the widgets look the same across different browsers. Jakub, you are comparing how the widget looks in Firefox 3 alone. What about other browsers? What if the native widgets in those other browsers look terrible? I would suggest that the overall CSS of FPO could be overhauled as part of the F9 release? Any thoughts on this one? later, Rogue -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFHdeU7ceS9IQvx51YRAvapAKCo8mUTxdGEgEtMs6GiUfb4uFtG9wCfY5+3 PSpWsN2Cp7PDhB2GAZNs0YU= =Ra6H -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From jakub.rusinek at gmail.com Sat Dec 29 09:39:51 2007 From: jakub.rusinek at gmail.com (Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek) Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2007 04:39:51 -0500 Subject: Form widgets on fpo website In-Reply-To: <4775E54B.6040602@gmail.com> References: <1198441184.25840.3.camel@camel> <1198607362.4246.14.camel@camel> <477156FA.90407@gmail.com> <1198612074.6262.0.camel@camel> <47717D05.2070908@gmail.com> <1198625068.2424.0.camel@camel> <4771A285.9060602@gmail.com> <1198658112.12560.4.camel@pc-notebook> <1198669843.2414.2.camel@camel> <4775E54B.6040602@gmail.com> Message-ID: <5e92ee3f0712290139p4342a2adg8c0d89c6435661ff@mail.gmail.com> It's not our problem, if browser renders widgets ugly. We should provide native buttons or buttons with eye-candy bg. 2007/12/29, Rogue : > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek wrote: > > Firefox3 provides beautiful native GTK widgets, so we shouldn't provide > > CSS for them. > > > > The idea of CSS styling of the widgets is to ensure that the widgets > look the same across different browsers. > > Jakub, you are comparing how the widget looks in Firefox 3 alone. What > about other browsers? 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URL: From martin.sourada at seznam.cz Sat Dec 29 23:29:50 2007 From: martin.sourada at seznam.cz (Martin Sourada) Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2007 00:29:50 +0100 Subject: [Nodoka] News - scrollbar and focus ring redesign, git restructuralisation Message-ID: <1198970990.9459.42.camel@pc-notebook> Hi, I thought I could inform you about some changes I did recently to Nodoka. First, I implemented new scrollbar design, also I began work on new focus ring. In most cases the focus indication should be now handled correctly, though the design is not yet final (I expect to finalise it based on my own experience and your comments in the beta stage), alas e.g. firefox behaves really crappy, so in FF3 the old ugly dotted rectangle is still used (you know, firefox linux integration is somewhat crappy...). I expect to address the firefox issues in the beta stage as well. Next, I decided to take some advantage from git and instead of having branches in separate folders, I decided to create branches in the git repo [1] itself. So the current branches there are master (that's the most recent code), gtk-nodoka-engine-0.5 (for the gtk-nodoka-engine 0.5 branch), gtk-nodoka-engine-0.6 (for the gtk-nodoka-engine 0.6 branch) and nodoka-theme-gnome-0.3 (for the nodoka-theme-gnome 0.3 branch). I expect in the future to create new branches when I start working on next branch, e.g. when I start working on gtk-nodoka-engine 0.8 release I'll create gtk-nodoka-engine-0.7 branch, etc. The repo tree was also changed, so the new layout looks like this nodoka |--gtk-nodoka-engine |--nodoka-kwin-theme |--nodoka-theme-gnome |--releases |--0.3 |--0.5 |--0.6 It's pretty obvious, which is what... Alas, the nodoka-kwin-theme is still empty, what's the progress on it Laith? Any chances anyone volunteers to make a theme for KDE 4? I do not use KDE, nor know its theming abilities, so if you want Nodoka for KDE, someone must make it... From my point of view I see no problem in giving you answers to questions as to how it should like and behave (if you cannot compare it with the GNOME one) and creating components like qt4-nodoka-engine or nodoka-DeKorator-theme (or whatever the KDE 4 window manager is called)... Last, but not least, what I have in mind, is some clarification as to how I number alpha and beta releases and where you can find what is currently planed for next release. So, let the version number be like this: x.y.z.w then x.y is branch unless z is >= 89. Then x.(y+1) is branch. Furthermore, if z is 89 then we are at the alpha stage, and the w says which alpha it is. If z is 90 then we are at beta stage and the w says which beta is it. If z is 99 then w says which RC is it. 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Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From kevin.kofler at chello.at Sun Dec 30 10:29:03 2007 From: kevin.kofler at chello.at (Kevin Kofler) Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2007 10:29:03 +0000 (UTC) Subject: Form widgets on fpo website References: <1198441184.25840.3.camel@camel> <1198538795.7816.3.camel@camel> <1198580906.2834.0.camel@camel> <477146A1.8080105@gmail.com> <1198606483.4246.12.camel@camel> <47714A97.1060102@gmail.com> <1198607362.4246.14.camel@camel> <477156FA.90407@gmail.com> <1198612074.6262.0.camel@camel> <47717D05.2070908@gmail.com> <1198625068.2424.0.camel@camel> <4771A285.9060602@gmail.com> <1198658112.12560.4.camel@pc-notebook> <1198669843.2414.2.camel@camel> <4775E54B.6040602@gmail.com> Message-ID: Rogue gmail.com> writes: > Jakub, you are comparing how the widget looks in Firefox 3 alone. What > about other browsers? What if the native widgets in those other browsers > look terrible? The main 2 browser engines in Fedora are: * Gecko - for everything using this, the widgets will look just as in Firefox 3 (from Fedora 9 on), * KHTML (Konqueror) - ignores the widget styling entirely, so it's actually already displaying a native widget, so what browsers exactly are you worrying about? Also, I don't think the native widget can look worse than a simple rectangle. ;-) Kevin Kofler From kevin.kofler at chello.at Sun Dec 30 10:39:41 2007 From: kevin.kofler at chello.at (Kevin Kofler) Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2007 10:39:41 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Nodoka] News - scrollbar and focus ring redesign, git restructuralisation References: <1198970990.9459.42.camel@pc-notebook> Message-ID: Martin Sourada seznam.cz> writes: > Alas, the nodoka-kwin-theme is still empty, what's the progress on it Laith? I believe the main issue is that we don't have a KDE 4 port of DeKorator yet, and Rawhide is already using KDE 4 KWin, so we can't use the theme in Rawhide yet. (WM decorations are only useful for the version of KWin we're actually shipping.) > Any chances anyone volunteers to make a theme for KDE 4? I do not use > KDE, nor know its theming abilities, so if you want Nodoka for KDE, > someone must make it... Ideally we'd also have a Qt 3 version, because not all the KDE apps are going to be ported to KDE 4 in time for Fedora 9. (Unlike the KWin case, for widgets, we're shipping both Qt 3 and 4, so we can use, and ideally should have, styles for both.) In the KDE SIG discussions about that, I suggested starting from Polyester: http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php/Polyester?content=27968 which has both KDE 3 and KDE 4 versions available and which already looks close to Nodoka (at least to the version in F8). WARNING: Whoever works on this will have to do changes to the theme source code, not just configuration files and images, so if C++/Qt scares you, this is probably not for you. ;-) Kevin Kofler From roguexz at gmail.com Sun Dec 30 15:59:55 2007 From: roguexz at gmail.com (Rogue) Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2007 21:29:55 +0530 Subject: Form widgets on fpo website In-Reply-To: References: <1198441184.25840.3.camel@camel> <1198538795.7816.3.camel@camel> <1198580906.2834.0.camel@camel> <477146A1.8080105@gmail.com> <1198606483.4246.12.camel@camel> <47714A97.1060102@gmail.com> <1198607362.4246.14.camel@camel> <477156FA.90407@gmail.com> <1198612074.6262.0.camel@camel> <47717D05.2070908@gmail.com> <1198625068.2424.0.camel@camel> <4771A285.9060602@gmail.com> <1198658112.12560.4.camel@pc-notebook> <1198669843.2414.2.camel@camel> <4775E54B.6040602@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4777C07B.7030608@gmail.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Kevin Kofler wrote: > Rogue gmail.com> writes: >> Jakub, you are comparing how the widget looks in Firefox 3 alone. What >> about other browsers? What if the native widgets in those other browsers >> look terrible? > > The main 2 browser engines in Fedora are: > * Gecko - for everything using this, the widgets will look just as in Firefox 3 > (from Fedora 9 on), > * KHTML (Konqueror) - ignores the widget styling entirely, so it's actually > already displaying a native widget, > so what browsers exactly are you worrying about? By other browsers, I mean, Opera 9+, Safari and IE too. Now I know that Safari / IE support sounds ridiculous, but consider a user running these applications and browsing our website? To give you an instance, I sometimes access my mails over the iPhone, which means I am using a Apple Mail + Safari combination. I would personally appreciate it if the site /behaved/ the same. Now the definition of behavior can be left to the site designers - some may choose to include L&Fs, others may choose to restrict it to only functionality. The point is that there are possibilities of indirect accesses of our site. Regarding the non-gecko Fedora-packaged HTML engines, I believe we should be filling bug reports against them for not supporting the standards :-) > > Also, I don't think the native widget can look worse than a simple > rectangle. ;-) Definitely :-) - -Rogue -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFHd8B7ceS9IQvx51YRAlzlAJ4zL8Z5z3dY5ubfCdqleyIlqxpd0QCdGnVD sxbCvaa6Zv1HlX92EabBGeM= =Ewgf -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From roguexz at gmail.com Sun Dec 30 17:19:18 2007 From: roguexz at gmail.com (Rogue) Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2007 22:49:18 +0530 Subject: An Idea about branding the Firefox and Thunderbird apps for F9 Message-ID: <4777D316.2060205@gmail.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hi All, I was just toying around with the Splash![1] addon for mozilla apps and I believe we can leverage the same for branding the applications, via a custom Fedora centric splash screen. What do you folks think about it? - -Rogue 1 - https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/thunderbird/addon/2995 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFHd9MWceS9IQvx51YRAgaCAKCvgBW+JwrAtMOHuRspW0JG1FACCwCdGQHz uWQ9VGSdrQjB+YNvjve5MdI= =pRqi -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From valent.turkovic at gmail.com Sun Dec 30 21:33:43 2007 From: valent.turkovic at gmail.com (Valent Turkovic) Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2007 22:33:43 +0100 Subject: [F9 theme proposal] (Also Freedom :)) Round 1 Message-ID: <64b14b300712301333v2f69919amcfdd65b5b4f52ee9@mail.gmail.com> Hi, I could't give this another name, because it just screams "freedom" and freedom already exists but it is a different theme (or it is not) and involves chains. Please look at this picture: http://www.faith47.com/images/Slice_03_03.gif It is from artists that work on www.dynebolic.org linux distro. I'm not an artist but a photographer and art critic and I have an eye for combining things. I can see fedora logo in the hands of that person and it would make a great wallpaper. The idea is this: In the background (bw looks great but also pale fedora colors would work) there are all the symbols and tools for taking away freedom and in the center you see fedora logo that represents freedom in color as it overcomes all that in background. Any comments? Valent. -- http://kernelreloaded.blog385.com/ linux, blog, anime, spirituality, windsurf, wireless registered as user #367004 with the Linux Counter, http://counter.li.org. ICQ: 2125241, Skype: valent.turkovic From ljuwaida at fedoraproject.org Sun Dec 30 21:50:14 2007 From: ljuwaida at fedoraproject.org (Laith Juwaidah) Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 01:50:14 +0400 Subject: [F9 theme proposal] (Also Freedom :)) Round 1 In-Reply-To: <64b14b300712301333v2f69919amcfdd65b5b4f52ee9@mail.gmail.com> References: <64b14b300712301333v2f69919amcfdd65b5b4f52ee9@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200712310150.15428.ljuwaida@fedoraproject.org> I'm not being mean or anything, but I don't think having war stuff in the wallpaper is a good idea, I don't wanna see war whenever I open my computer. Honestly, I'll change the theme if that is actually the default for F9. Sorry for being rude, but I really hate war! I'm from Iraq if that helps :D Cheers! :) On Monday 31 December 2007 01:33:43 Valent Turkovic wrote: > Hi, > I could't give this another name, because it just screams "freedom" > and freedom already exists but it is a different theme (or it is not) > and involves chains. > > Please look at this picture: > http://www.faith47.com/images/Slice_03_03.gif > > It is from artists that work on www.dynebolic.org linux distro. > > I'm not an artist but a photographer and art critic and I have an eye > for combining things. I can see fedora logo in the hands of that > person and it would make a great wallpaper. > > The idea is this: > In the background (bw looks great but also pale fedora colors would > work) there are all the symbols and tools for taking away freedom and > in the center you see fedora logo that represents freedom in color as > it overcomes all that in background. > > Any comments? > > Valent. -- Laith Juwaidah http://www.ljuwaidah.org/ From valent.turkovic at gmail.com Sun Dec 30 22:19:19 2007 From: valent.turkovic at gmail.com (Valent Turkovic) Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2007 23:19:19 +0100 Subject: [F9 theme proposal] (Also Freedom :)) Round 1 In-Reply-To: <200712310150.15428.ljuwaida@fedoraproject.org> References: <64b14b300712301333v2f69919amcfdd65b5b4f52ee9@mail.gmail.com> <200712310150.15428.ljuwaida@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <64b14b300712301419u66eb242fwb0c1abcbf2e1da73@mail.gmail.com> On 12/30/07, Laith Juwaidah wrote: > I'm not being mean or anything, but I don't think having war stuff in the > wallpaper is a good idea, I don't wanna see war whenever I open my computer. > Honestly, I'll change the theme if that is actually the default for F9. > > Sorry for being rude, but I really hate war! I'm from Iraq if that helps :D > > Cheers! :) Hi, affcourse you aren't being mean, this is a strong image so it brings strong feedback from you, and that is ok. I'm from Croatia (we had a war for independence 15 years ago, so I know war in person not from TV). I would like to see some strong and bold from Fedora 9 theme, for me fedora 8 theme is the "weakest" and "blandest" to date and it is the ONLY theme I changed, and I used fedora since FC5. Valent -- http://kernelreloaded.blog385.com/ linux, blog, anime, spirituality, windsurf, wireless registered as user #367004 with the Linux Counter, http://counter.li.org. ICQ: 2125241, Skype: valent.turkovic From jspaleta at gmail.com Sun Dec 30 22:33:39 2007 From: jspaleta at gmail.com (Jeff Spaleta) Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2007 13:33:39 -0900 Subject: An Idea about branding the Firefox and Thunderbird apps for F9 In-Reply-To: <4777D316.2060205@gmail.com> References: <4777D316.2060205@gmail.com> Message-ID: <604aa7910712301433h38c07033ybe17065a22274972@mail.gmail.com> On Dec 30, 2007 8:19 AM, Rogue wrote: > I was just toying around with the Splash![1] addon for mozilla apps and > I believe we can leverage the same for branding the applications, via a > custom Fedora centric splash screen. > > What do you folks think about it? First I very much seriously doubt that you'd get the necessary buy in from the mozilla maintainers to add a splash screen by default. So its probably a non-starter. Beyond that, I don't see the point of adding a splash screen to any mozilla/xulrunner based application.. or any application for that matter... just for a chance to add branding. Do we really want to waste the user's time by popping up what are essentially Fedora advertisement splash screens that serve no useful purpose? Why would we ever want to add a splash screen? Aren't splash screens there just to give you some feedback when a program is taking 'too long' to load? Beyond that, I don't think its a good idea to add branding to individual applications even when they have default splash screens... open office for example. I understand having fedora branding at boot up I understand having fedora branding at the login screen I understand having fedora branding during the default login splash screen to get to your desktop. But once we are in the desktop we already have fedora branding in the default desktop configuration as part of the menu layout. I don't see a reason to be in you face about additional branding by adding additional application specific graphics. We are trying to keep the fedora branding elements separate from the actual applications such that derivative distributions can easily replace the branding. Sticking additional branding into optional application splash screens for individual application just complicates the packaging even more. -jef From valent.turkovic at gmail.com Sun Dec 30 22:51:07 2007 From: valent.turkovic at gmail.com (Valent Turkovic) Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2007 23:51:07 +0100 Subject: A pretty please (regrading Fedora 9 theme) Message-ID: <64b14b300712301451k53c74dbek5684d5c885369257@mail.gmail.com> Hi, first to introduce myself. I'm 29 years old fiber-optics technician and a linux geek from Croatia. I used fedora since came out but for my primary desktop since FC5 (i used openSUSE before and Mandriva before that, ubuntu just doesn't work for me). I'm also a amateur photographer and have worked with different artists as a critic for last 10 years. This is really hard for me to say and I apologize in advance because all of Fedora Artwork team does great job, but I really have to say what I think. I have seen this: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/F9Themes/Waves and it frightens me if this is going to be the Fedora 9 theme... or anything near this. If these are only sketches then ok. But this bring me back to Fedora 8 theme proposal when I saw current infinity theme proposed and I thought it will never pass quality check - how was I surprised when I booted Fedora 8 for the first time. I know that some people are really satisfied with Fedora 8 theme, and that different people have different tastes but still I feel fedora 8 theme as too bland, too simple (and I love zen simple design!) and just too plain. FC5 baloons were nice, FC6 DNA theme was amazing!, F7 hot baloons were cool but I just can't say anything nice about F8 Infinity. I used Fedora as my primary work desktop since FC5 and for work also (since FC6) and I upgrade my home systems always to latest Fedora - this is the only wallpaper I changed from default and I believe that says a lot. Unfortunately, I have no creativity talent (except photography) and I cannot contribute directly except as an constructive critic. Please, please, pretty please go with a more bold wallpaper theme this time. Thank you once more for all the work you have given to Fedora project and I hope you accept these comments as constructive because this is my intention. Valent. -- http://kernelreloaded.blog385.com/ linux, blog, anime, spirituality, windsurf, wireless registered as user #367004 with the Linux Counter, http://counter.li.org. ICQ: 2125241, Skype: valent.turkovic From valent.turkovic at gmail.com Sun Dec 30 23:09:15 2007 From: valent.turkovic at gmail.com (Valent Turkovic) Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 00:09:15 +0100 Subject: A pretty please (regrading Fedora 9 theme) In-Reply-To: <64b14b300712301451k53c74dbek5684d5c885369257@mail.gmail.com> References: <64b14b300712301451k53c74dbek5684d5c885369257@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <64b14b300712301509v75bfd78dnde4123125598ef60@mail.gmail.com> On 12/30/07, Valent Turkovic wrote: > Hi, > first to introduce myself. I'm 29 years old fiber-optics technician > and a linux geek from Croatia. I used fedora since came out but for my > primary desktop since FC5 (i used openSUSE before and Mandriva before > that, ubuntu just doesn't work for me). I'm also a amateur > photographer and have worked with different artists as a critic for > last 10 years. > > This is really hard for me to say and I apologize in advance because > all of Fedora Artwork team does great job, but I really have to say > what I think. > > I have seen this: > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/F9Themes/Waves > and it frightens me if this is going to be the Fedora 9 theme... or > anything near this. If these are only sketches then ok. But this bring > me back to Fedora 8 theme proposal when I saw current infinity theme > proposed and I thought it will never pass quality check - how was I > surprised when I booted Fedora 8 for the first time. > > I know that some people are really satisfied with Fedora 8 theme, and > that different people have different tastes but still I feel fedora 8 > theme as too bland, too simple (and I love zen simple design!) and > just too plain. FC5 baloons were nice, FC6 DNA theme was amazing!, F7 > hot baloons were cool but I just can't say anything nice about F8 > Infinity. > > I used Fedora as my primary work desktop since FC5 and for work also > (since FC6) and I upgrade my home systems always to latest Fedora - > this is the only wallpaper I changed from default and I believe that > says a lot. > > Unfortunately, I have no creativity talent (except photography) and I > cannot contribute directly except as an constructive critic. > > Please, please, pretty please go with a more bold wallpaper theme this time. > > Thank you once more for all the work you have given to Fedora project > and I hope you accept these comments as constructive because this is > my intention. > > Valent. Here are one audio review which also says artwork for Fedora 8 is lacking: http://kernelreloaded.blog385.com/index.php/archives/fedora-8-audio-review/ and one random forum comment: "Artwork quite poor compared to version 7." http://linuxmint.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=43139#p43139 -- http://kernelreloaded.blog385.com/ linux, blog, anime, spirituality, windsurf, wireless registered as user #367004 with the Linux Counter, http://counter.li.org. ICQ: 2125241, Skype: valent.turkovic From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Sun Dec 30 23:19:05 2007 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 04:49:05 +0530 Subject: A pretty please (regrading Fedora 9 theme) In-Reply-To: <64b14b300712301451k53c74dbek5684d5c885369257@mail.gmail.com> References: <64b14b300712301451k53c74dbek5684d5c885369257@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <47782769.4020709@fedoraproject.org> Valent Turkovic wrote: > I have seen this: > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/F9Themes/Waves > and it frightens me if this is going to be the Fedora 9 theme... or > anything near this. If these are only sketches then ok. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/F9Themes clearly highlights that these are theme *concepts* and a couple of previous releases have followed the same schedule. If you have ideas, feel free to propose more concepts like these. You don't have to be an artist to do that but eventually contributions will decide how the final artwork is going to look like. Rahul From jspaleta at gmail.com Mon Dec 31 03:12:36 2007 From: jspaleta at gmail.com (Jeff Spaleta) Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2007 18:12:36 -0900 Subject: A pretty please (regrading Fedora 9 theme) In-Reply-To: <64b14b300712301509v75bfd78dnde4123125598ef60@mail.gmail.com> References: <64b14b300712301451k53c74dbek5684d5c885369257@mail.gmail.com> <64b14b300712301509v75bfd78dnde4123125598ef60@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <604aa7910712301912h486dbdcdt48c35a3a310cfc06@mail.gmail.com> On Dec 30, 2007 2:09 PM, Valent Turkovic wrote: > Here are one audio review which also says artwork for Fedora 8 is lacking: > http://kernelreloaded.blog385.com/index.php/archives/fedora-8-audio-review/ > > and one random forum comment: > "Artwork quite poor compared to version 7." > http://linuxmint.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=43139#p43139 Valent, dragging out points of view concerning personal taste concerning artwork is frankly just pointless. And I personally think it undermines what you actually want to accomplish. On matters of style you simply will not please everyone. You can't. You have to have a specific design goal in mind and stick with it. Just saying i want something bold or a i want something more abstract doesn't really mean anything, you aren't convincing anyone to change their minds because you aren't presenting a compelling design focus by just stating an opinion about what style you would prefer. Why is bold better exactly? Certainly from a usability standpoint a bold artistic design is a horrible horrible idea. Bold or busy default desktop backgrounds take the focus away from other things on the desktop and make it harder to visually locate desktop icons and associated text for some people. In that sense the F8 desktop background was actually better than previous default backgrounds exactly because it was relatively 'bland' and stayed out of the way. The default F8 desktop background does exactly what it's asked to do...be in the background. Was F8's artwork distinctive? Unquestionably yes. It's not confusable with previous Fedora releases of recent vintage and its not confusing with other Linux distributions of note, nor major proprietary OS systems that would be running on the same hardware. Since there is no we can artistically please everyone, we must be content with being distinctive. On top of that, I think the subtle visual nature is perfect for a first experiment with the time-based rotation technology that was introduced in nautilus. The new time-changing colorscape of the wallpaper becomes the major visual focus because the image itself is spartan. I'm fine with that. F7's photorealistic balloons would have been much harder to rotate and look attractive. The same with F6's glassy rendered DNA strands. That being said, i think this time around it would be good to be less subtle in an effort to make sure F8 is distinctive from F9. I think cel-shading of 3-D rendered version of one of the Freedom draft sketchs might strike a reasonable balance, the cel-shading would provide a bit 'bolder' visual look but it would not be as visually 'noisy' as the photo-releastic F7 balloons, nor a repeat of the glassy/plasticy-rendered 3-D DNA theme and you could still use a time based rotation technology. -jef"How many people would buy a Toyota Prius, if all of them came standard with eye-popping flaming skull decals on the hood and side panels? Sometimes understated is exactly the default paint job you want."spaleta From nisses.mail at home.se Mon Dec 31 12:32:29 2007 From: nisses.mail at home.se (Andreas Nilsson) Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 13:32:29 +0100 Subject: first part of the icon review (with bugzilla links) Message-ID: <4778E15D.1080408@home.se> Ah, seems I put fedora-art in cc, but sent it from the wrong e-mail account. Hope it gets delivered correctly this time. - Andreas Hi M?ir?n! Hope you had a nice Christmas. Here is the first batch of the list I promised on irc. Added fedora-art list to cc. - Andreas * gthumb icon looks blurry. the artwork itself would probably look fine if it wasn't so blurred. - fixed in trunk http://svn.gnome.org/viewvc/gthumb/trunk/data/icons/ * actually the fedora icon looks slightly blurry too - it looks like it is not aligned to the pixel grid. - http://www.stephenbrandt.com/tango-icons/fedora/ -open a bug about this? * blog entry poster' icon looks... pretty bad. I think this one needs actual artwork. - fixed in trunk! http://svn.gnome.org/viewvc/gnome-blog/trunk/icons/ * Contacts icon looks blurry, the artwork would probably look fine if it wasn't blurred. - http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=467115 * Email icon looks blurry. There should be an alternative icon for this in the gnome-icon-theme though, an image of an envelope. I'm guessing this is some kind of icon theme/packaging issue? - http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=467115 * Ekiga icon looks blurry. The artwork would be okay if it wasn't blurry. - fixed in trunk http://svn.gnome.org/viewvc/ekiga/trunk/pixmaps/ * Abiword icon looks blurry. There is likely alternate artwork for this somewhere. - this will be fixed in 2.6 *Gnumeric icon looks blurry. There is likely alternate artwork for this as well. - http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=450444 * Tasks icon looks blurry. I know there is an icon for this in the gnome icon theme but it seems to only be in the 24x24 dir, but a 22x22 one could be easily made... - http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=467115 * CD player icon is blurry. The artwork doesn't really match the theme either. - http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=504911 * Bluetooth analyzer - would probably be ok if not so blurry. - http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=506133 * Bluetooth filesharing - would probably be ok if not so blurry. - http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=484403 From nisses.mail at home.se Mon Dec 31 13:50:41 2007 From: nisses.mail at home.se (Andreas Nilsson) Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 14:50:41 +0100 Subject: An Idea about branding the Firefox and Thunderbird apps for F9 In-Reply-To: <4777D316.2060205@gmail.com> References: <4777D316.2060205@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4778F3B1.8000008@home.se> Rogue wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Hi All, > > I was just toying around with the Splash![1] addon for mozilla apps and > I believe we can leverage the same for branding the applications, via a > custom Fedora centric splash screen. > > What do you folks think about it? > > - -Rogue > Hi Rogue! Eeek, please don't! :) Part of the reason neither firefox or thunderbird don't have splash screens out of the box, like Netscape 4.77 did (and mozilla browser as well, if my memory don't play me any tricks) is that they load in a snap. - Andreas From drewhealey at gmail.com Mon Dec 31 17:08:35 2007 From: drewhealey at gmail.com (Andrew Healey) Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 09:08:35 -0800 Subject: Fedora 9 Theme: At Last Message-ID: <8b24494d0712310908t4b2b85afx7f3cb9b493afcda6@mail.gmail.com> I created a sketch for a Fedora 9 theme. The wiki page can be found at: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/F9Themes/AtLast. The thoughts behind this theme are: voice, freedom, and accomplishment. This is just a base but I feel the image of a person with their arms thrown up is triumph has symbolism that ties directly to the Fedora ideals. I also feel that using a human image in the theme helps personalize Fedora. I am deploying to Iraq in a week so I won't be able to work more on this. 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Kubuntu Breezy Badger had nice SVG example - world map with its logo. Very nice, but I can't find the links. 2007/12/31, Brandon Thomas : > > Andrew, > That idea is really good and will look really sharp. > > I think perhaps white lettering would help the Fedora logo to stand out > equally > with the black silhouette. > Brandon Thomas > > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jakub.rusinek at gmail.com Mon Dec 31 18:13:16 2007 From: jakub.rusinek at gmail.com (Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek) Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 13:13:16 -0500 Subject: first part of the icon review (with bugzilla links) In-Reply-To: <4778E15D.1080408@home.se> References: <4778E15D.1080408@home.se> Message-ID: <5e92ee3f0712311013k4d8030efsf620f395891e9af@mail.gmail.com> [[ * actually the fedora icon looks slightly blurry too - it looks like it is not aligned to the pixel grid. - http://www.stephenbrandt.com/tango-icons/fedora/ -open a bug about this? ]] I want it to be official ICON in all places. Only icon, fedora-logo-icon in hicolor, because this style is very nice and modern. 2007/12/31, Andreas Nilsson : > > Ah, seems I put fedora-art in cc, but sent it from the wrong e-mail > account. > Hope it gets delivered correctly this time. > - Andreas > > > Hi M?ir?n! > Hope you had a nice Christmas. Here is the first batch of the list I > promised on irc. > Added fedora-art list to cc. > - Andreas > > * gthumb icon looks blurry. the artwork itself would probably look fine > if it wasn't so blurred. > - fixed in trunk http://svn.gnome.org/viewvc/gthumb/trunk/data/icons/ > > * actually the fedora icon looks slightly blurry too - it looks like it > is not aligned to the pixel grid. > - http://www.stephenbrandt.com/tango-icons/fedora/ -open a bug about this? > > * blog entry poster' icon looks... pretty bad. I think this one needs > actual artwork. > - fixed in trunk! http://svn.gnome.org/viewvc/gnome-blog/trunk/icons/ > > * Contacts icon looks blurry, the artwork would probably look fine if it > wasn't blurred. > - http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=467115 > > * Email icon looks blurry. There should be an alternative icon for this > in the gnome-icon-theme though, an image of an envelope. I'm guessing > this is some kind of icon theme/packaging issue? > - http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=467115 > > * Ekiga icon looks blurry. The artwork would be okay if it wasn't blurry. > - fixed in trunk http://svn.gnome.org/viewvc/ekiga/trunk/pixmaps/ > > * Abiword icon looks blurry. There is likely alternate artwork for this > somewhere. > - this will be fixed in 2.6 > > *Gnumeric icon looks blurry. There is likely alternate artwork for this > as well. > - http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=450444 > > * Tasks icon looks blurry. I know there is an icon for this in the gnome > icon theme but it seems to only be in the 24x24 dir, but a 22x22 one > could be easily made... > - http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=467115 > > * CD player icon is blurry. The artwork doesn't really match the theme > either. > - http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=504911 > > * Bluetooth analyzer - would probably be ok if not so blurry. > - http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=506133 > > * Bluetooth filesharing - would probably be ok if not so blurry. > - http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=484403 > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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It would look nice if it would be styled. 2007/12/31, Andreas Nilsson : > > Rogue wrote: > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > Hash: SHA1 > > > > Hi All, > > > > I was just toying around with the Splash![1] addon for mozilla apps and > > I believe we can leverage the same for branding the applications, via a > > custom Fedora centric splash screen. > > > > What do you folks think about it? > > > > - -Rogue > > > Hi Rogue! > Eeek, please don't! :) > Part of the reason neither firefox or thunderbird don't have splash > screens out of the box, like Netscape 4.77 did (and mozilla browser as > well, if my memory don't play me any tricks) is that they load in a snap. > - Andreas > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From roguexz at gmail.com Mon Dec 31 19:33:19 2007 From: roguexz at gmail.com (Rogue) Date: Tue, 01 Jan 2008 01:03:19 +0530 Subject: An Idea about branding the Firefox and Thunderbird apps for F9 In-Reply-To: <4778F3B1.8000008@home.se> References: <4777D316.2060205@gmail.com> <4778F3B1.8000008@home.se> Message-ID: <477943FF.2030902@gmail.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Andreas Nilsson wrote: > Rogue wrote: >> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >> Hash: SHA1 >> >> Hi All, >> >> I was just toying around with the Splash![1] addon for mozilla apps and >> I believe we can leverage the same for branding the applications, via a >> custom Fedora centric splash screen. >> >> What do you folks think about it? >> >> - -Rogue >> > Hi Rogue! > Eeek, please don't! :) > Part of the reason neither firefox or thunderbird don't have splash > screens out of the box, like Netscape 4.77 did (and mozilla browser as > well, if my memory don't play me any tricks) is that they load in a snap. > - Andreas Ok!! I get the picture ;-) ... Branding applications are a bad idea. I was just a little taken away by the splash screen concept for mozilla based applications :-) None the less I kinda like the default splash screens for only one reason - when I launch the Firefox / Thunderbird applications, all I see is a window-list element stating "Starting firefox.." and no other visual indication. The splash screen gives me the 'feel' that the application is loading up and makes me feel happy that the application loads up in snap.... well that is just my view about it. I totally agree with Jeff too - that branding the applications would make it harder for alternate spins. later, Rogue -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFHeUP/ceS9IQvx51YRAm2ZAKC/fY4Asiagk6s4okq75qfcNVJnNACfRT3+ 6lY3DreTOAMJTK/qPCNkTEc= =raE7 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From andreas at andreasn.se Fri Dec 28 20:02:22 2007 From: andreas at andreasn.se (Andreas Nilsson) Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2007 21:02:22 +0100 Subject: first part of the icon review (with bugzilla links) Message-ID: <4775564E.90902@andreasn.se> Hi M?ir?n! Hope you had a nice Christmas. Here is the first batch of the list I promised on irc. Added fedora-art list to cc. - Andreas * gthumb icon looks blurry. the artwork itself would probably look fine if it wasn't so blurred. - fixed in trunk http://svn.gnome.org/viewvc/gthumb/trunk/data/icons/ * actually the fedora icon looks slightly blurry too - it looks like it is not aligned to the pixel grid. - http://www.stephenbrandt.com/tango-icons/fedora/ -open a bug about this? * blog entry poster' icon looks... pretty bad. I think this one needs actual artwork. - fixed in trunk! http://svn.gnome.org/viewvc/gnome-blog/trunk/icons/ * Contacts icon looks blurry, the artwork would probably look fine if it wasn't blurred. - http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=467115 * Email icon looks blurry. There should be an alternative icon for this in the gnome-icon-theme though, an image of an envelope. I'm guessing this is some kind of icon theme/packaging issue? - http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=467115 * Ekiga icon looks blurry. The artwork would be okay if it wasn't blurry. - fixed in trunk http://svn.gnome.org/viewvc/ekiga/trunk/pixmaps/ * Abiword icon looks blurry. There is likely alternate artwork for this somewhere. - this will be fixed in 2.6 *Gnumeric icon looks blurry. There is likely alternate artwork for this as well. - http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=450444 * Tasks icon looks blurry. I know there is an icon for this in the gnome icon theme but it seems to only be in the 24x24 dir, but a 22x22 one could be easily made... - http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=467115 * CD player icon is blurry. The artwork doesn't really match the theme either. - http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=504911 * Bluetooth analyzer - would probably be ok if not so blurry. - http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=506133 * Bluetooth filesharing - would probably be ok if not so blurry. - http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=484403