From poelstra at redhat.com Mon Jul 2 15:04:32 2007 From: poelstra at redhat.com (John Poelstra) Date: Mon, 02 Jul 2007 08:04:32 -0700 Subject: add new art-work for Fedora 8 In-Reply-To: <4686E710.4090305@fedoraproject.org> References: <4685683F.8040900@gmail.com> <6e24a8e80706300534s7d64cf1cq39b389cd395577c8@mail.gmail.com> <1183212912.3484.7.camel@pc-notebook> <1183216644.3806.1.camel@Amilo-GK.homenet.local> <4686E710.4090305@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <46891400.6030808@redhat.com> Rahul Sundaram wrote: > Gerold Kassube wrote: >> Hi all, >> >> only a question ... >> Why a "moon-theme" for F8? >> F7 is named as "Moonshine" .... >> >> maybe we found a "name" for F8 and than create the themes?! >> > > We wouldn't have time after the name is decided. It is pretty much done > in the last week or so. > Is there a good reason for why we decide the name at the last minute for every release? Thanks, John From chitlesh at fedoraproject.org Mon Jul 2 15:22:20 2007 From: chitlesh at fedoraproject.org (Chitlesh GOORAH) Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2007 17:22:20 +0200 Subject: add new art-work for Fedora 8 In-Reply-To: <4685683F.8040900@gmail.com> References: <4685683F.8040900@gmail.com> Message-ID: <13dbfe4f0707020822t3b5e8739of9ba3fe63032d211@mail.gmail.com> On 6/29/07, Mola Pahnadayan wrote: > hi all :) > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/F8theme-moon#preview Wow, that's a great start. To me, mixing the sky and the sea represents stability. Having a 5 month release cycle, F8 will mostly like more enhancements upon moonshine and more polishing. Yep, this is indeed a proper way to reflect F8. Chitlesh -- http://clunixchit.blogspot.com From ben.arnold.inbox at gmail.com Mon Jul 2 15:44:42 2007 From: ben.arnold.inbox at gmail.com (Ben Arnold) Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2007 16:44:42 +0100 Subject: Holiday Message-ID: <9c3bfa1d0707020844l4f391d47j3e855d8b282d2d4b@mail.gmail.com> All, Just to say that I am on away on holiday from now until Wednesday 18th July; unable to access my e-mails (probably), I will therefore be unable to help with the Fedora Artwork. Should any voting time come whilst I'm away, I'll vote for Abstract then Borealis. My apologies to you guys for this but I will be looking forward to developing the new theme upon my return. Ben :-) -- ..// seawolf //.. Ben Arnold e-mail / msn / icq / yahoo iamseawolf (at) gmail (dot) com http://clik.to/seawolfsanctuary fedora core : artwork GnuPG Available - ask me! From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Mon Jul 2 15:49:33 2007 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Mon, 02 Jul 2007 21:19:33 +0530 Subject: add new art-work for Fedora 8 In-Reply-To: <46891400.6030808@redhat.com> References: <4685683F.8040900@gmail.com> <6e24a8e80706300534s7d64cf1cq39b389cd395577c8@mail.gmail.com> <1183212912.3484.7.camel@pc-notebook> <1183216644.3806.1.camel@Amilo-GK.homenet.local> <4686E710.4090305@fedoraproject.org> <46891400.6030808@redhat.com> Message-ID: <46891E8D.60400@fedoraproject.org> John Poelstra wrote: > Rahul Sundaram wrote: >> Gerold Kassube wrote: >>> Hi all, >>> >>> only a question ... >>> Why a "moon-theme" for F8? >>> F7 is named as "Moonshine" .... >>> >>> maybe we found a "name" for F8 and than create the themes?! >>> >> >> We wouldn't have time after the name is decided. It is pretty much >> done in the last week or so. >> > > Is there a good reason for why we decide the name at the last minute for > every release? Culture. Kind of a Easter Egg that we reveal as a surprise. No technical reason. Rahul From valent.turkovic at gmail.com Mon Jul 2 21:24:39 2007 From: valent.turkovic at gmail.com (Valent Turkovic) Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2007 23:24:39 +0200 Subject: Here are some of my ideas for Fedora 8 and Fedora 9 Message-ID: <64b14b300707021424q580b14a0j96c90c38839034f6@mail.gmail.com> Hi, here are some of my ideas in which I see that Fedora can improve general user and desktop experience and usability. I would like you to see my comment and suggestion in the manner I made them - I don't mean to be a critic but only an objective observer that loves usind Fedora at home and also at work and would like to see more people do so - and I belive that with some of ideas I have here more people would use Fedora and be more productive. * NTFS support during installation there should be NTFS support built in to anaconda so that ntfs partitions are automatically recognized and added to /etc/fstab - and that users are given an option to make them read-only or to be mounted in read-write mode. * Beagle and Deskbar installed by default these applications make all the difference for an desktop user between an "OK" user experience and "wonderful" user experience. Work flow using these two applications is radically improved and this is what should be showcased as a "Modern linux desktop". - also I would add a beagle firefox plugin which also makes all the difference when you need some resource you saw online but didn't bookmark it or put it on del.ico.us - these apps don't waste resources, and the memory footprint is really not that much, especially if put in context that you really have to look hard these days for a system that has less or equal to 256MB of memory. I tested beagle on 3 laptop systems with fedora 6 / 7 and one desktop with also fedora 6 / 7 and I didn't have a single issue. So for me not to have in installed in Fedora 7 was a big disappointment. * Tomboy installed by default - I have all the same arguments here as I do for Beagle and Deskbar * Firefox to have it's original icon in gnome panel the icon fedora uses makes me search for firefox icon all the time. I guess that I'm not the only one. Firefox has one of the most recognisable icons I have ever seen and simply don't see why fedora uses non-firefox icon. It just confuses users. * Desktop shortcut for joining Fedora IRC (aka "Get Live Help") Fedora is about freedom+communication, right? Why not make this statement more that just a nice slogan. If you installed saabyon linux you could experienced for yourself what this really means. I as a new user to gentoo (sabayon is based on gentoo) was really blown away with this feature. It is really, really simple to implement and gives a real meaning to a communication friendly linux distro. In sabayon link to their IRC chat has a simple name "Get Live Help" and it work fabulous! I didn't have any Portage experience so I poped in IRC chat room and was on my way after I got quick help. Whis kind of help was precious to me and would love to see it in fedora as one of it's main features and not just as a slogan. screenshot: http://www.flickr.com/photo_zoom.gne?id=382063978&size=l * Desktop folder with examples of what "this linux thing" can do :) This is especially important for a live cd versions. Ubuntu has this "feature" on each of their live cd's as a folder on desktop. In these folder you can see and test for yourself some filetypes and apps that work woth them. So for example you open examples folder and see how some spreadsheets work in "this linux thing" by simply clicking on the spreadsheat that they placed in there and also for some text documents, images and the most important thing - there is an video clip. And it is a really nice video about the meaning of Ubuntu project. I saw some great videos on redhat magazine page and it is a shame that these aren't part of Fedora 7 live cd's. I hope you see the great value in video presentation and include some great videos on Fedora 8 live CD. ubuntu examples: http://johnny.chadda.se/wp-content/uploads/2006/06/Ubuntu_Examples.png and another: http://knowledge76.com/images/thumb/800px-Dapper_examples.png * a working Burning app for Fedora Gnome desktop Put any new user in front of fresh Fedora 7 desktop and ask them to burn some files to CD or DVD - any watch them as they wiggle unpleasantly as they can't find any burning app under gnome desktop. Puting a link for nautils burner under "Places / CD - DVD Recoder" doesn't help. If you choose atleast not to include Brassero as the default burning app under gnome then at least thre should be a link for "CD Recoder" placed somewhere under "Applications" menu and not "Places" menu. I have some other ideas, suggestions and improvements I would love to see but these are the main ones. I hope you see all of my suggestions to Fedora desktop in the manner they were written - as my intention was to be as objective as possible and not to be a critic. I love Fedora and it is definitely by my opinion the best distro for Desktop users (yes, even better than Ubuntu). Valent. -- http://kernelreloaded.blog385.com/ linux, blog, anime, spirituality, windsurf, wireless registered as user #367004 with the Linux Counter, http://counter.li.org. ICQ: 2125241 Skype: valent.turkovic From subsolar at subsolar.com Tue Jul 3 02:18:23 2007 From: subsolar at subsolar.com (Paul) Date: Mon, 02 Jul 2007 21:18:23 -0500 Subject: Here are some of my ideas for Fedora 8 and Fedora 9 In-Reply-To: <64b14b300707021424q580b14a0j96c90c38839034f6@mail.gmail.com> References: <64b14b300707021424q580b14a0j96c90c38839034f6@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1183429103.4749.24.camel@chilly> On Mon, 2007-07-02 at 23:24 +0200, Valent Turkovic wrote: > > * NTFS support during installation > there should be NTFS support built in to anaconda so that ntfs > partitions are automatically recognized and added to /etc/fstab - and > that users are given an option to make them read-only or to be mounted > in read-write mode. I don't believe this is possible because of non-free licensing reasons. > * Beagle and Deskbar installed by default > these applications make all the difference for an desktop user between > an "OK" user experience and "wonderful" user experience. Work flow > using these two applications is radically improved and this is what > should be showcased as a "Modern linux desktop". I could go either way with this ... I personally did not like it, of course I prefer the "Windows Classic" setting when using Windows also. > - also I would add a beagle firefox plugin which also makes all the > difference when you need some resource you saw online but didn't > bookmark it or put it on del.ico.us > - these apps don't waste resources, and the memory footprint is really > not that much, especially if put in context that you really have to > look hard these days for a system that has less or equal to 256MB of > memory. I tested beagle on 3 laptop systems with fedora 6 / 7 and one > desktop with also fedora 6 / 7 and I didn't have a single issue. So > for me not to have in installed in Fedora 7 was a big disappointment. For me beagle seemed to cause the system to become a bit "laggy" when it was indexing on my old P4. On a dual core I have not noticed it working, but that's my experience. > * Firefox to have it's original icon in gnome panel > the icon fedora uses makes me search for firefox icon all the time. I > guess that I'm not the only one. Firefox has one of the most > recognisable icons I have ever seen and simply don't see why fedora > uses non-firefox icon. It just confuses users. The reason for Firefox Icon not being used is that you can change your browser to some other though the preferred applications control panel to something else. Nothing like clicking on the Firefox icon and firing up Links! > * Desktop shortcut for joining Fedora IRC (aka "Get Live Help") > Fedora is about freedom+communication, right? Why not make this > statement more that just a nice slogan. If you installed saabyon linux > in IRC chat room and was on my way after I got quick help. Whis kind > of help was precious to me and would love to see it in fedora as one > of it's main features and not just as a slogan. > screenshot: http://www.flickr.com/photo_zoom.gne?id=382063978&size=l Not a bad idea ... I would give that a +1 > * Desktop folder with examples of what "this linux thing" can do :) > This is especially important for a live cd versions. Ubuntu has this > great value in video presentation and include some great videos on > Fedora 8 live CD. > ubuntu examples: > http://johnny.chadda.se/wp-content/uploads/2006/06/Ubuntu_Examples.png > and another: http://knowledge76.com/images/thumb/800px-Dapper_examples.png Not a bad idea, though I would definitely allow not installing them if you don't want/need the extra cruft. The ones I've liked are the "We Are Here" and the fedora "remix" videos. Of the RedHat ones I always liked "Truth Happens" and "Inevitable" > * a working Burning app for Fedora Gnome desktop > Put any new user in front of fresh Fedora 7 desktop and ask them to > a link > for "CD Recoder" placed somewhere under "Applications" menu and not > "Places" menu. Well the current one works like the windows XP one does ... drop in a burnable disk and drop files into the folder and click "Write to Disk". I rather like the way Nautilus one works ... for most stuff it's all that's needed. Regards, Paul Berger From valent.turkovic at gmail.com Tue Jul 3 09:25:31 2007 From: valent.turkovic at gmail.com (Valent Turkovic) Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2007 11:25:31 +0200 Subject: fedora-devel and other mailing lists Message-ID: <64b14b300707030225i328634a4x9bd0606e6745a21@mail.gmail.com> Hello, I love your service and use it a lot for fedora-list mailing list. Could you be so kind and include other fedora mailing lists? The list is here: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate#head-e515a6e891efe6e2f1c8faa0434f8b5422510668 but the most note worthy are these lists: fedora-devel-list at redhat.com fedora-desktop-list at redhat.com fedora-art-list at redhat.com just to name a few. Thank you again for this great service you are providing. Valent. -- http://kernelreloaded.blog385.com/ linux, blog, anime, spirituality, windsurf, wireless registered as user #367004 with the Linux Counter, http://counter.li.org. ICQ: 2125241 Skype: valent.turkovic From valent.turkovic at gmail.com Tue Jul 3 09:26:16 2007 From: valent.turkovic at gmail.com (Valent Turkovic) Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2007 11:26:16 +0200 Subject: fedora-devel and other mailing lists In-Reply-To: <64b14b300707030225i328634a4x9bd0606e6745a21@mail.gmail.com> References: <64b14b300707030225i328634a4x9bd0606e6745a21@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <64b14b300707030226o55e62d3bu70a0b1279a6d71c@mail.gmail.com> Sorry, ignore this message. On 7/3/07, Valent Turkovic wrote: > Hello, > I love your service and use it a lot for fedora-list mailing list. > Could you be so kind and include other fedora mailing lists? > The list is here: > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate#head-e515a6e891efe6e2f1c8faa0434f8b5422510668 > > but the most note worthy are these lists: > fedora-devel-list at redhat.com > fedora-desktop-list at redhat.com > fedora-art-list at redhat.com > > just to name a few. > > Thank you again for this great service you are providing. > > Valent. > > -- > http://kernelreloaded.blog385.com/ > linux, blog, anime, spirituality, windsurf, wireless > registered as user #367004 with the Linux Counter, http://counter.li.org. > ICQ: 2125241 > Skype: valent.turkovic > -- http://kernelreloaded.blog385.com/ linux, blog, anime, spirituality, windsurf, wireless registered as user #367004 with the Linux Counter, http://counter.li.org. ICQ: 2125241 Skype: valent.turkovic From valent.turkovic at gmail.com Tue Jul 3 12:37:53 2007 From: valent.turkovic at gmail.com (Valent Turkovic) Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2007 14:37:53 +0200 Subject: Here are some of my ideas for Fedora 8 and Fedora 9 In-Reply-To: <1183429103.4749.24.camel@chilly> References: <64b14b300707021424q580b14a0j96c90c38839034f6@mail.gmail.com> <1183429103.4749.24.camel@chilly> Message-ID: <64b14b300707030537w43cb0a05xbf69e9146caac460@mail.gmail.com> On 7/3/07, Paul wrote: > On Mon, 2007-07-02 at 23:24 +0200, Valent Turkovic wrote: > > > > > * NTFS support during installation > > there should be NTFS support built in to anaconda so that ntfs > > partitions are automatically recognized and added to /etc/fstab - and > > that users are given an option to make them read-only or to be mounted > > in read-write mode. > > I don't believe this is possible because of non-free licensing reasons. Please reconsider your statement. NTFS is not any longer on forbidden list and also ntfs-3g rpms are available from default repositories. also check out this bugzilla entry: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=65749 > The reason for Firefox Icon not being used is that you can change your > browser to some other though the preferred applications control panel to > something else. Nothing like clicking on the Firefox icon and firing up > Links! When default browsing app changes so should the icon. To me this feels like a roulet - you see an icon but you place bets before clicking it and then see what app starts after you click it. It should be unambiguous which apps starts from just looking at the icon. If it is firefox it should be firefox icon, if it is other some other browser that the icon should be also changer to it's default icon. > > * Desktop shortcut for joining Fedora IRC (aka "Get Live Help") > > Fedora is about freedom+communication, right? Why not make this > > statement more that just a nice slogan. If you installed saabyon linux > > > in IRC chat room and was on my way after I got quick help. Whis kind > > of help was precious to me and would love to see it in fedora as one > > of it's main features and not just as a slogan. > > screenshot: http://www.flickr.com/photo_zoom.gne?id=382063978&size=l > > Not a bad idea ... I would give that a +1 I just ripped the idea from Sabayon linux guys... but it is a great one. > > * Desktop folder with examples of what "this linux thing" can do :) > > This is especially important for a live cd versions. Ubuntu has this > > > great value in video presentation and include some great videos on > > Fedora 8 live CD. > > ubuntu examples: > > http://johnny.chadda.se/wp-content/uploads/2006/06/Ubuntu_Examples.png > > and another: http://knowledge76.com/images/thumb/800px-Dapper_examples.png > > Not a bad idea, though I would definitely allow not installing them if > you don't want/need the extra cruft. The ones I've liked are the "We > Are Here" and the fedora "remix" videos. > > Of the RedHat ones I always liked "Truth Happens" and "Inevitable" There are really nice fedora showcase videos, as you listed some, and they deserver to be presented to new users. > > * a working Burning app for Fedora Gnome desktop > > Put any new user in front of fresh Fedora 7 desktop and ask them to > > > a link > > for "CD Recoder" placed somewhere under "Applications" menu and not > > "Places" menu. > > Well the current one works like the windows XP one does ... drop in a > burnable disk and drop files into the folder and click "Write to Disk". > I rather like the way Nautilus one works ... for most stuff it's all > that's needed. I don't know anybody in Croatia that uses windows default app to burn disks. Everybody here uses Nero Burning Rom, or at least 80% of windows users. Maybe that is a local thing, but I believe that it is also the case in the rest of the Europe and the US. One thing also that I have observed is that users don't insert blank cd/dvd first. First thing they do is to look for the burning app, compile the list of files for burning and only then they insert bland cd or dvd. If you have some other experience with new users please share it with us. It is easy to test this. Put some folder on the desktop and say to your coworker, sister, brother or a friend to burn it to a blank CD and watch what they do. Did you test for do this? I did and this is my experience. That is why we need a better and more usable way to burn data under fedora gnome desktop. -- http://kernelreloaded.blog385.com/ linux, blog, anime, spirituality, windsurf, wireless registered as user #367004 with the Linux Counter, http://counter.li.org. ICQ: 2125241 Skype: valent.turkovic From lightsolphoenix at gmail.com Tue Jul 3 17:44:40 2007 From: lightsolphoenix at gmail.com (Kelly) Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2007 13:44:40 -0400 Subject: Here are some of my ideas for Fedora 8 and Fedora 9 In-Reply-To: <64b14b300707021424q580b14a0j96c90c38839034f6@mail.gmail.com> References: <64b14b300707021424q580b14a0j96c90c38839034f6@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200707031344.42201.lightsolphoenix@gmail.com> On Monday, July 02, 2007 5:24 pm Valent Turkovic wrote: > * Beagle and Deskbar installed by default > these applications make all the difference for an desktop user between > an "OK" user experience and "wonderful" user experience. Work flow > using these two applications is radically improved and this is what > should be showcased as a "Modern linux desktop". > - also I would add a beagle firefox plugin which also makes all the > difference when you need some resource you saw online but didn't > bookmark it or put it on del.ico.us > - these apps don't waste resources, and the memory footprint is really > not that much, especially if put in context that you really have to > look hard these days for a system that has less or equal to 256MB of > memory. I tested beagle on 3 laptop systems with fedora 6 / 7 and one > desktop with also fedora 6 / 7 and I didn't have a single issue. So > for me not to have in installed in Fedora 7 was a big disappointment. Beagle doesn't waste resources? Even Google Desktop is more efficient than Beagle, which has been the cause of serious memory slowndown on every Linux system I've run with it installed. -- Please avoid sending me Word or PowerPoint attachments. See http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html From dgeiger_343 at yahoo.com Tue Jul 3 20:51:24 2007 From: dgeiger_343 at yahoo.com (Daniel Geiger) Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2007 13:51:24 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Fedora 8 theme requests Message-ID: <752971.37072.qm@web45207.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Hi, I think it would be very good to have a unique Fedora sound theme (Ubuntu has one of its own, one that seems very polished compared to the default Gnome sounds). What would it take to do so? Also, if there are not plans already for this, I would like to see Firefox and OpenOffice have an Echo icon theme enabled by default (I believe again, Ubuntu has something like that, only not installed by default, AFAIK). Another Firefox/OpenOffice wish, they don't exactly integrate as well with gtk; is there any way to fix that? --------------------------------- Sucker-punch spam with award-winning protection. Try the free Yahoo! Mail Beta. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lightsolphoenix at gmail.com Tue Jul 3 22:11:50 2007 From: lightsolphoenix at gmail.com (Kelly) Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2007 18:11:50 -0400 Subject: Fedora 8 theme requests In-Reply-To: <752971.37072.qm@web45207.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> References: <752971.37072.qm@web45207.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <200707031811.50995.lightsolphoenix@gmail.com> On Tuesday, July 03, 2007 4:51 pm Daniel Geiger wrote: > I would like to see Firefox and OpenOffice have an Echo > icon theme enabled by default (I believe again, Ubuntu has something like > that, only not installed by default, AFAIK) Ubuntu uses the Tango Project theme as a base for its icon theme, which gives them a slight advantage; that being, they don't have to do each and every icon themselves. Most of them are already done. -- Please avoid sending me Word or PowerPoint attachments. See http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Wed Jul 4 06:36:27 2007 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Wed, 04 Jul 2007 09:36:27 +0300 Subject: Fedora 8 theme requests In-Reply-To: <752971.37072.qm@web45207.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> References: <752971.37072.qm@web45207.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <468B3FEB.5090105@nicubunu.ro> Daniel Geiger wrote: > Hi, > I think it would be very good to have a unique Fedora sound theme > (Ubuntu has one of its own, one that seems very polished compared to the > default Gnome sounds). What would it take to do so? To put it simply: we don't have yet contributors able and wiling to a new sound theme. The bunch of us here are mostly skilled with graphics. And arguably, working on sounds has a higher barrier to entry: on top of skill and experience you need also some hardware and software, the hardware cost money and the software for sound processing is not very well present in Linux/FOSS. > Also, if there are not plans already for this, I would like to see > Firefox and OpenOffice have an Echo icon theme enabled by default (I > believe again, Ubuntu has something like that, only not installed by OpenOffice.org need a very large number of icons, Firefox also need some more icons and only a few people work on Echo, all of them in their spare time. Is a problem of manpower. And we are somewhat split in the opinion *if* Echo is the future for Fedora (for example, there is a number of supporters for a personalized version of Tango, just like Ubuntu do and a small number of supporters of a renewed Bluecurve). > default, AFAIK). Another Firefox/OpenOffice wish, they don't exactly > integrate as well with gtk; is there any way to fix that? And the integration would be even lower without the hard work done upstream by a number of Red Hat developers. The integration is better with every new release. -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Wed Jul 4 06:40:00 2007 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Wed, 04 Jul 2007 09:40:00 +0300 Subject: Fedora 8 theme requests In-Reply-To: <468B3FEB.5090105@nicubunu.ro> References: <752971.37072.qm@web45207.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> <468B3FEB.5090105@nicubunu.ro> Message-ID: <468B40C0.4040607@nicubunu.ro> Nicu Buculei wrote: > Daniel Geiger wrote: >> Hi, >> I think it would be very good to have a unique Fedora sound theme >> (Ubuntu has one of its own, one that seems very polished compared to >> the default Gnome sounds). What would it take to do so? > > To put it simply: we don't have yet contributors able and wiling to a > new sound theme. > The bunch of us here are mostly skilled with graphics. And arguably, > working on sounds has a higher barrier to entry: on top of skill and > experience you need also some hardware and software, the hardware cost > money and the software for sound processing is not very well present in > Linux/FOSS. Oh, I forgot to add: are you interested in leading such a project (or at least contributing) to provide a new and better sound theme? -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From valent.turkovic at gmail.com Wed Jul 4 07:56:47 2007 From: valent.turkovic at gmail.com (Valent Turkovic) Date: Wed, 04 Jul 2007 09:56:47 +0200 Subject: Here are some of my ideas for Fedora 8 and Fedora 9 In-Reply-To: <200707031344.42201.lightsolphoenix@gmail.com> References: <64b14b300707021424q580b14a0j96c90c38839034f6@mail.gmail.com> <200707031344.42201.lightsolphoenix@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1183535807.5484.31.camel@fedora> On Tue, 2007-07-03 at 13:44 -0400, Kelly wrote: > Beagle doesn't waste resources? Even Google Desktop is more efficient > than > Beagle, which has been the cause of serious memory slowndown on every > Linux > system I've run with it installed. And I haven't seen any performance with beagle on or off. My 3 systems with mupltiple fedora core 6, fedora 7 and rawhide work same with beagle on or off. I also tested it on a really poor celeron and only 256mb laptop with ubuntu running. I disabled beagle completely on this laptop and it still it's performance was bad as it was before I disabled beagle and some other stuff. the moral of the story: If you have crappy hardware you will have crappy performance and it doesn't matter if beagle is running or not. If you have good hardware you will have nice performance no matter if beagle is on or off. From nicolas.mailhot at laposte.net Wed Jul 4 11:34:32 2007 From: nicolas.mailhot at laposte.net (Nicolas Mailhot) Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2007 13:34:32 +0200 (CEST) Subject: Here are some of my ideas for Fedora 8 and Fedora 9 In-Reply-To: <1183535807.5484.31.camel@fedora> References: <64b14b300707021424q580b14a0j96c90c38839034f6@mail.gmail.com> <200707031344.42201.lightsolphoenix@gmail.com> <1183535807.5484.31.camel@fedora> Message-ID: <58438.192.54.193.51.1183548872.squirrel@rousalka.dyndns.org> Valent, The burden of making beagle work is on the people who want to have beagle in by default like you, everyone else is entitled to decide the hassle of debugging or helping to debug beagle outweights the benefits. beagle is one of the few applications I know people manually remove from their systems when it's installed. Till it reaches the point people who don't use it don't notice it's installed there's no use asking for it to be in the default install. There's being useful There's being not so useful but not intrusive And there's being not so useful and very intrusive. Beagle is at state 3 today. That's not a good state. But it won't change by pestering people who didn't ask for beagle in the first place and had to make the effort to remove it because it was degrading their systems. -- Nicolas Mailhot From valent.turkovic at gmail.com Wed Jul 4 12:52:17 2007 From: valent.turkovic at gmail.com (Valent Turkovic) Date: Wed, 04 Jul 2007 14:52:17 +0200 Subject: Here are some of my ideas for Fedora 8 and Fedora 9 In-Reply-To: <58438.192.54.193.51.1183548872.squirrel@rousalka.dyndns.org> References: <64b14b300707021424q580b14a0j96c90c38839034f6@mail.gmail.com> <200707031344.42201.lightsolphoenix@gmail.com> <1183535807.5484.31.camel@fedora> <58438.192.54.193.51.1183548872.squirrel@rousalka.dyndns.org> Message-ID: <1183553538.5484.84.camel@fedora> On Wed, 2007-07-04 at 13:34 +0200, Nicolas Mailhot wrote: > Valent, > > The burden of making beagle work is on the people who want to have > beagle in by default like you, everyone else is entitled to decide the > hassle of debugging or helping to debug beagle outweights the > benefits. > > beagle is one of the few applications I know people manually remove > from their systems when it's installed. Till it reaches the point > people who don't use it don't notice it's installed there's no use > asking for it to be in the default install. Well I would argue that the people who remove it are a minority, not the other way around. I have seen beagle installed on multiple systems and it is as unobtrusive as an app can be. I have tested it on Fedora Core6, multiple Fedora 7 installations and now I'm testing it on Rawhide. So I have extensive experience with beagle. > There's being useful > There's being not so useful but not intrusive > And there's being not so useful and very intrusive. > > Beagle is at state 3 today. That's not a good state. For me it is at state 1. And by "me" I don't mean only one lone desktop. As I have told you I run multiple copies on multiple hardware sutups - and on all of them beagle is at state 1. I would be writing this year ago when I was running Fedora 5 ane beagle was a nightmare, but it has gone a long way since then. > But it won't > change by pestering people who didn't ask for beagle in the first > place and had to make the effort to remove it because it was degrading > their systems. Sorry if my approach seams a bit rough, but I find english hard to translate finer points, but as you can guess it is not my mother tongue. But now do the same people than have a vote what does in the default install and what does not if they don't give an effort to troubleshoot it a little. Only saying "me too" to a bugzilla entry or on a mailing list makes beagle look bad but only because the majority of people who don't have issues with beagle don't even go to these mailing lists or to bugzilla. If you have tested beagle on multiple systems and find it causing problems then please excuse me - show us your test results and that is ok. I have seen much bigger issues with some apps in Fedora and they aren't removed from default install. Like a big, really huge bug with new user-switcher applet (look for my bugzilla entry) in Fedora 7. What is a great feature but it caused data and time loss for me! I have multiple resource meters running, and I see when my system acts strange and inspect it. Usually it is Firefox who causes my CPU to go to 100%. Should Firefox be removed because of this from default fedora install? From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Wed Jul 4 13:01:53 2007 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Wed, 04 Jul 2007 18:31:53 +0530 Subject: Here are some of my ideas for Fedora 8 and Fedora 9 In-Reply-To: <1183553538.5484.84.camel@fedora> References: <64b14b300707021424q580b14a0j96c90c38839034f6@mail.gmail.com> <200707031344.42201.lightsolphoenix@gmail.com> <1183535807.5484.31.camel@fedora> <58438.192.54.193.51.1183548872.squirrel@rousalka.dyndns.org> <1183553538.5484.84.camel@fedora> Message-ID: <468B9A41.3070105@fedoraproject.org> Valent Turkovic wrote: > Sorry if my approach seams a bit rough, but I find english hard to > translate finer points, but as you can guess it is not my mother tongue. > That's ok but this whole discussing has nothing to do with artwork and sending such mails to multiple lists is unnecessary. Stick to one list and discuss it there. Thanks. Rahul From nicolas.mailhot at laposte.net Wed Jul 4 13:12:36 2007 From: nicolas.mailhot at laposte.net (Nicolas Mailhot) Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2007 15:12:36 +0200 (CEST) Subject: Here are some of my ideas for Fedora 8 and Fedora 9 In-Reply-To: <1183553538.5484.84.camel@fedora> References: <64b14b300707021424q580b14a0j96c90c38839034f6@mail.gmail.com> <200707031344.42201.lightsolphoenix@gmail.com> <1183535807.5484.31.camel@fedora> <58438.192.54.193.51.1183548872.squirrel@rousalka.dyndns.org> <1183553538.5484.84.camel@fedora> Message-ID: <47303.192.54.193.51.1183554756.squirrel@rousalka.dyndns.org> Le Mer 4 juillet 2007 14:52, Valent Turkovic a ?crit : > Well I would argue that the people who remove it are a minority, not > the other way around. That's not an argument when talking about breakage. Most problems only affect a minority and we don't ignore them. > I have seen much bigger issues with some apps in Fedora and they > aren't > removed from default install. Like a big, really huge bug with new > user-switcher applet (look for my bugzilla entry) in Fedora 7. What is > a > great feature but it caused data and time loss for me! > I have multiple resource meters running, and I see when my system acts > strange and inspect it. Usually it is Firefox who causes my CPU to go > to > 100%. Should Firefox be removed because of this from default fedora > install? Bad comparison. Beagle causes problems even when users do not actively exercise it That's why it was kicked from the default install. The minimum to get in the default install is to have a neutral behavior when not used. And that'll be my last post on the subject till you come with evidence beagle is not doing this. And not only on your own systems. -- Nicolas Mailhot From duffy at redhat.com Wed Jul 4 15:47:53 2007 From: duffy at redhat.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?M=E1ir=ED=ADn_Duffy?=) Date: Wed, 04 Jul 2007 11:47:53 -0400 Subject: Here are some of my ideas for Fedora 8 and Fedora 9 In-Reply-To: <1183553538.5484.84.camel@fedora> References: <64b14b300707021424q580b14a0j96c90c38839034f6@mail.gmail.com> <200707031344.42201.lightsolphoenix@gmail.com> <1183535807.5484.31.camel@fedora> <58438.192.54.193.51.1183548872.squirrel@rousalka.dyndns.org> <1183553538.5484.84.camel@fedora> Message-ID: <468BC129.4040307@redhat.com> Valent Turkovic wrote: > Well I would argue that the people who remove it are a minority, not the > other way around. I have seen beagle installed on multiple systems and > it is as unobtrusive as an app can be. I have tested it on Fedora Core6, > multiple Fedora 7 installations and now I'm testing it on Rawhide. So I > have extensive experience with beagle. This thread isn't on topic for this list at all. Can you look for a more appropriate list? ~m From markg85 at gmail.com Wed Jul 4 17:22:42 2007 From: markg85 at gmail.com (Mark) Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2007 19:22:42 +0200 Subject: Fedora 8 theme requests In-Reply-To: <468B3FEB.5090105@nicubunu.ro> References: <752971.37072.qm@web45207.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> <468B3FEB.5090105@nicubunu.ro> Message-ID: <6e24a8e80707041022t19535c55v6b882ea7fad40958@mail.gmail.com> > > To put it simply: we don't have yet contributors able and wiling to a > new sound theme. > The bunch of us here are mostly skilled with graphics. And arguably, > working on sounds has a higher barrier to entry: on top of skill and > experience you need also some hardware and software, the hardware cost > money and the software for sound processing is not very well present in > Linux/FOSS. i'm willing sadly not capable. unless you/anyone else knows of a application here you can MAKE your own sounds. not just a piano but with all kind of effects and instruments. i don't know what program can do that for windows or linux (they exist.. i just don't know them). 2007/7/4, Nicu Buculei : > Daniel Geiger wrote: > > Hi, > > I think it would be very good to have a unique Fedora sound theme > > (Ubuntu has one of its own, one that seems very polished compared to the > > default Gnome sounds). What would it take to do so? > > To put it simply: we don't have yet contributors able and wiling to a > new sound theme. > The bunch of us here are mostly skilled with graphics. And arguably, > working on sounds has a higher barrier to entry: on top of skill and > experience you need also some hardware and software, the hardware cost > money and the software for sound processing is not very well present in > Linux/FOSS. > > > Also, if there are not plans already for this, I would like to see > > Firefox and OpenOffice have an Echo icon theme enabled by default (I > > believe again, Ubuntu has something like that, only not installed by > > OpenOffice.org need a very large number of icons, Firefox also need some > more icons and only a few people work on Echo, all of them in their > spare time. Is a problem of manpower. > And we are somewhat split in the opinion *if* Echo is the future for > Fedora (for example, there is a number of supporters for a personalized > version of Tango, just like Ubuntu do and a small number of supporters > of a renewed Bluecurve). > > > default, AFAIK). Another Firefox/OpenOffice wish, they don't exactly > > integrate as well with gtk; is there any way to fix that? > > And the integration would be even lower without the hard work done > upstream by a number of Red Hat developers. The integration is better > with every new release. > > -- > nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com > Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ > Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org > my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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And arguably, > working on sounds has a higher barrier to entry: on top of skill and > experience you need also some hardware and software, the hardware cost > money and the software for sound processing is not very well present in > Linux/FOSS. > I have quite good skill in playing musical instruments... but never composed anything - especially not desktop music. Fugue would be easier :-D But anyway, I think, for creating good music/sound you need not good software/hardware. Just pencil, paper, musical instrument, skill and decent microphone... Audacity can do the rest ;-) I hope we'll eventually find one to do the sound theme, but probably we should focus now rather on graphics related things... > > Also, if there are not plans already for this, I would like to see > > Firefox and OpenOffice have an Echo icon theme enabled by default (I > > believe again, Ubuntu has something like that, only not installed by > > OpenOffice.org need a very large number of icons, Firefox also need some > more icons and only a few people work on Echo, all of them in their > spare time. Is a problem of manpower. > And we are somewhat split in the opinion *if* Echo is the future for > Fedora (for example, there is a number of supporters for a personalized > version of Tango, just like Ubuntu do and a small number of supporters > of a renewed Bluecurve). > In case of Firefox I started a theme some months ago, but I stopped doing it since I switched from firefox to epiphany, I was not much skilled in the theme creation (i.e. I was not well acquainted with the theme settings, subfolders, etc.), was a bit short of time, and Echo wasn't complete enough. I can post somewhere what I did so far, but the graphic part would need to be updated (to fit the current Echo, and I had it without shadows) and not all was done. If there is anyone interested just ask :) > > default, AFAIK). Another Firefox/OpenOffice wish, they don't exactly > > integrate as well with gtk; is there any way to fix that? > > And the integration would be even lower without the hard work done > upstream by a number of Red Hat developers. The integration is better > with every new release. > I am hoping for the best. Yet meanwhile, if we create Fedora gtk theme (and if it would be chosen as default), we could do the firefox theme to fit the rest of Fedora as well (including widgets)... But it's a hack - i.e. if user switches to some other theme/icons, the firefox will remain same (one of the reasons I switched to epiphany). Just my 2 cents, Martin -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Its late fashion that it does it through effects/words. We could distinguish Fedora from other distros by making a sound theme that would be completely instrumental - no effects. That is possible yet hard - needs a lot of talent and a lot of invention. And for instrumental music linux have all we need. Martin -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From martin.sourada at seznam.cz Wed Jul 4 20:29:43 2007 From: martin.sourada at seznam.cz (Martin Sourada) Date: Wed, 04 Jul 2007 22:29:43 +0200 Subject: Making Fedora Default Theme (release independent stuff) Message-ID: <1183580983.2945.34.camel@pc-notebook> Hi all, I have a few questions/suggestions about Fedora release independent Artwork. Most notably gtk theme, metacity theme, kwm theme, qt(4) theme. One of the reasons I started the Nodoka [1] theme was an attempt to fill the gap we have - Fedora has not defined it's artwork so far. So there are some questions that needs to be answered and I hereby ask your opinion about them: 1. do we want a default Fedora artwork? 2. do we want to look KDE and GNOME artwork same/similar? 3. if we do want, who is to decide which one will it be? 4. is it good to make an n-round competition or just let something to emerge from the wide community combined efforts? 5. is the art-list the proper for this discussion or some other lists needs to be included as well (e.g. fedora-desktop, fedora-devel)? 6. could it be considered as a 'feature'? And maybe other questions I forgot... So I think it would be good to discuss those I asked and make a wiki page afterwards, so it will be clean for possible contributors how can they help, etc. I mean this thread only for discussing the theme thing, not the themes themselves, so if you have comments on some themes please make them elsewhere (e.g. in a separate thread) :) Thanks, Martin References: [1] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/MartinSourada/NodokaDraft -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Music was meant from its > beginning to symbolise actions/states/feelings - instrumental music. Its > late fashion that it does it through effects/words. We could distinguish > Fedora from other distros by making a sound theme that would be > completely instrumental - no effects. That is possible yet hard - needs > a lot of talent and a lot of invention. And for instrumental music linux > have all we need. > > Martin > > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From martin.sourada at seznam.cz Wed Jul 4 21:01:26 2007 From: martin.sourada at seznam.cz (Martin Sourada) Date: Wed, 04 Jul 2007 23:01:26 +0200 Subject: Fedora 8 theme requests In-Reply-To: <6e24a8e80707041352l507c7293w8bead17b2615d117@mail.gmail.com> References: <752971.37072.qm@web45207.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> <468B3FEB.5090105@nicubunu.ro> <6e24a8e80707041022t19535c55v6b882ea7fad40958@mail.gmail.com> <1183578805.2945.16.camel@pc-notebook> <6e24a8e80707041352l507c7293w8bead17b2615d117@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1183582886.2945.40.camel@pc-notebook> On Wed, 2007-07-04 at 22:52 +0200, Mark wrote: > yea.. but than again.. what program can we use for that? > Er... any program that can capture sound from microphone... But, I just went through the fedora lists and noticed list called fedora-music-list [1]. There were several times mentioned an app called ardour [2]. Looks promising, but I completely dunno how to work with jack audio, so I had no success running it (but I didn't tried much)... Martin References: [1] http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-music-list [2] http://www.ardour.org/ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From chitlesh at fedoraproject.org Thu Jul 5 01:14:33 2007 From: chitlesh at fedoraproject.org (Chitlesh GOORAH) Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2007 03:14:33 +0200 Subject: Making Fedora Default Theme (release independent stuff) In-Reply-To: <1183580983.2945.34.camel@pc-notebook> References: <1183580983.2945.34.camel@pc-notebook> Message-ID: <13dbfe4f0707041814n257c3251tdd03e42eced949cb@mail.gmail.com> On 7/4/07, Martin Sourada wrote: > 2. do we want to look KDE and GNOME artwork same/similar? Absolutely NOT ! Chitlesh -- http://clunixchit.blogspot.com From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Thu Jul 5 05:43:39 2007 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Thu, 05 Jul 2007 08:43:39 +0300 Subject: Fedora 8 theme requests In-Reply-To: <6e24a8e80707041022t19535c55v6b882ea7fad40958@mail.gmail.com> References: <752971.37072.qm@web45207.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> <468B3FEB.5090105@nicubunu.ro> <6e24a8e80707041022t19535c55v6b882ea7fad40958@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <468C850B.2080005@nicubunu.ro> Mark wrote: > To put it simply: we don't have yet contributors able and wiling to a > new sound theme. > The bunch of us here are mostly skilled with graphics. And arguably, > working on sounds has a higher barrier to entry: on top of skill and > experience you need also some hardware and software, the hardware cost > money and the software for sound processing is not very well present in > Linux/FOSS. > > > i'm willing > sadly not capable. unless you/anyone else knows of a application here > you can MAKE your own sounds. not just a piano but with all kind of > effects and instruments. i don't know what program can do that for > windows or linux (they exist.. i just don't know them). Sorry, but I don't know much about audio applications, the obvious start is http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linux_audio_software Also I want to reiterate Martin's advice about asking on the fedora-music list, I believe there are a few people knowledgeable in the field. -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Thu Jul 5 06:04:59 2007 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Thu, 05 Jul 2007 09:04:59 +0300 Subject: Making Fedora Default Theme (release independent stuff) In-Reply-To: <1183580983.2945.34.camel@pc-notebook> References: <1183580983.2945.34.camel@pc-notebook> Message-ID: <468C8A0B.5020208@nicubunu.ro> Martin Sourada wrote: > > 1. do we want a default Fedora artwork? Not sure, is tempting but is would be a high maintenance burden. I would use an upstream theme with a few customizations to add a bit of personality. > 2. do we want to look KDE and GNOME artwork same/similar? In the extremely rare occasion when I fire up an application from the *other* DE, I would prefer it to not look alien among my other applications. But this will come with a high maintenance price and a huge flamewar ("they dumbed down my DE of choice!!!") > 3. if we do want, who is to decide which one will it be? Considering how the decision where made so far, I think the final say here will be from the Red Hat Desktop Team, they are the "official" maintainers. > 4. is it good to make an n-round competition or just let something to > emerge from the wide community combined efforts? I don't think we have enough people skilled in GTK+ themes for a competition, but I would like to be proven wrong :p > 5. is the art-list the proper for this discussion or some other lists > needs to be included as well (e.g. fedora-desktop, fedora-devel)? Not sure, at least a big part of it is better suited for fedora-desktop, but this topic is closely related to both. > 6. could it be considered as a 'feature'? As in http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/8/FeatureList ? Only if we have realistic expectation for it to make into the release. my 2 cents... -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From baerjj at gmail.com Thu Jul 5 21:54:52 2007 From: baerjj at gmail.com (John Baer) Date: Thu, 05 Jul 2007 17:54:52 -0400 Subject: Fedora 8 theme (Sounds) In-Reply-To: <20070704210134.22A567353D@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20070704210134.22A567353D@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <468D68AC.6060700@gmail.com> All, I put together a wiki page of sounds from the "free sound project" which I am currently using with Fedora 7. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/F8Themes/GnomeSounds The main issue I found with Gnome on Fedora is the timing is off for some events. For example, in many cases Gnome closes so quickly at logout the sound does not have time to play. IMO some adjustments need to be made. If this is a road the team desires to travel the final product will need to be a package. Building packages is something I have not done. Enjoy! John From baerjj at gmail.com Thu Jul 5 22:01:38 2007 From: baerjj at gmail.com (John Baer) Date: Thu, 05 Jul 2007 18:01:38 -0400 Subject: [F8 Theme Proposal] Fedora Feng Shui Message-ID: <468D6A42.5080402@gmail.com> All, Feng shui is the ancient Chinese practice of placement and arrangement of space to achieve harmony with the environment. The goal of Fedora Feng Shui is to craft Fedora 8 artwork which is harmonious with the goals and objectives of the final product. I placed my initial images for this submission here for your consideration. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/F8Themes/FengShui As I am unsure of the desire to add or not add branding I omitted all fedora branding. Cheers, John From duffy at redhat.com Thu Jul 5 22:06:14 2007 From: duffy at redhat.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?M=E1ir=EDn_Duffy?=) Date: Thu, 05 Jul 2007 18:06:14 -0400 Subject: [F8 Theme Proposal] Fedora Feng Shui In-Reply-To: <468D6A42.5080402@gmail.com> References: <468D6A42.5080402@gmail.com> Message-ID: <468D6B56.4010708@redhat.com> Hi John! John Baer wrote: > I placed my initial images for this submission here for your consideration. > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/F8Themes/FengShui Can you attribute the authors and licenses of the photos in your proposal? Thanks, ~m From baerjj at gmail.com Thu Jul 5 22:09:08 2007 From: baerjj at gmail.com (John Baer) Date: Thu, 05 Jul 2007 18:09:08 -0400 Subject: F8 Theme [Other Stuff] Message-ID: <468D6C04.8010009@gmail.com> All, It is my understanding the re-design of the RHGB is underway. If this is true is it possible to have this team included in the loop from an artwork prospective? In addition, if the boot processes is also being re-worked, can the team be in the loop for this? Thanks, John From lightsolphoenix at gmail.com Thu Jul 5 22:49:29 2007 From: lightsolphoenix at gmail.com (Kelly) Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2007 18:49:29 -0400 Subject: F8 Theme [Other Stuff] In-Reply-To: <468D6C04.8010009@gmail.com> References: <468D6C04.8010009@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200707051849.29754.lightsolphoenix@gmail.com> On Thursday, July 05, 2007 6:09 pm John Baer wrote: > It is my understanding the re-design of the RHGB is underway. Is there a reason RHGB is being reworked? I mean, the capabilities of the graphical boot system are present in the Linux kernel itself, so is there a specific reason why the functionality is being duplicated? -- Please avoid sending me Word or PowerPoint attachments. See http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Fri Jul 6 05:39:10 2007 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Fri, 06 Jul 2007 08:39:10 +0300 Subject: F8 Theme [Other Stuff] In-Reply-To: <200707051849.29754.lightsolphoenix@gmail.com> References: <468D6C04.8010009@gmail.com> <200707051849.29754.lightsolphoenix@gmail.com> Message-ID: <468DD57E.5070400@nicubunu.ro> Kelly wrote: > On Thursday, July 05, 2007 6:09 pm John Baer wrote: >> It is my understanding the re-design of the RHGB is underway. > > Is there a reason RHGB is being reworked? I mean, the capabilities of the > graphical boot system are present in the Linux kernel itself, so is there a > specific reason why the functionality is being duplicated? http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/FeatureBetterStartup -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Fri Jul 6 05:48:10 2007 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Fri, 06 Jul 2007 08:48:10 +0300 Subject: [F8 Theme Proposal] Fedora Feng Shui In-Reply-To: <468D6B56.4010708@redhat.com> References: <468D6A42.5080402@gmail.com> <468D6B56.4010708@redhat.com> Message-ID: <468DD79A.2020201@nicubunu.ro> M?ir?n Duffy wrote: > John Baer wrote: >> I placed my initial images for this submission here for your >> consideration. >> >> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/F8Themes/FengShui > > Can you attribute the authors and licenses of the photos in your proposal? Ugh, if those are random photos from flickr or such, remove them and replace with links? (I think we can't host even CC-BY-SA work in the wiki, thumbnails may be fair-use, but not full-size versions) John, I find your page for the Feng Shui proposal a little inconsistent, you talk about an abstract style and simplicity, provide two such images and then a few photos, which are not abstract, neither simple. I feel those may be better suited as distinct proposals (and I find some of those photos beautiful). -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From martin.sourada at seznam.cz Fri Jul 6 09:14:36 2007 From: martin.sourada at seznam.cz (Martin Sourada) Date: Fri, 06 Jul 2007 11:14:36 +0200 Subject: [F8 Theme Proposal] Fedora Feng Shui In-Reply-To: <468DD79A.2020201@nicubunu.ro> References: <468D6A42.5080402@gmail.com> <468D6B56.4010708@redhat.com> <468DD79A.2020201@nicubunu.ro> Message-ID: <1183713277.2945.52.camel@pc-notebook> On Fri, 2007-07-06 at 07:48 +0200, Nicu Buculei wrote: > John, I find your page for the Feng Shui proposal a little inconsistent, > you talk about an abstract style and simplicity, provide two such images > and then a few photos, which are not abstract, neither simple. I feel > those may be better suited as distinct proposals (and I find some of > those photos beautiful). > Yep, I think it too. The photos are just different from the rest of the page, I wouldn't include them. As for the images I really like the Slipstream wallpaper :) Martin -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From martin.sourada at seznam.cz Fri Jul 6 10:48:19 2007 From: martin.sourada at seznam.cz (Martin Sourada) Date: Fri, 06 Jul 2007 12:48:19 +0200 Subject: [Echo icon theme] Forward/Backward icons - change colouring? Message-ID: <1183718899.2945.57.camel@pc-notebook> Hi, I have a little suggestion concerning the Echo icons. We have there icons for undo/redo actions which are coloured orange respectively green. I must say that I really like them and like the idea - it's even easier to distinguish which one is which. 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The GTK+ component is an original (based originally on Aqualooks gtkrc) that utilizes the Murrine theme engine, and is meant to go with Echo icons, but can (should) work with other icon themes as well. For more info, see the wiki page for it: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DanielGeiger/F8ThemeNodoka or the Nodoka theme thread on FedoraForum: http://forums.fedoraforum.org/showthread.php?p=824205 --------------------------------- Boardwalk for $500? In 2007? Ha! Play Monopoly Here and Now (it's updated for today's economy) at Yahoo! Games. --------------------------------- Building a website is a piece of cake. Yahoo! Small Business gives you all the tools to get online. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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In which version of kernel? -- Leo (GPG Key: 9283AA3F) From baerjj at gmail.com Sat Jul 7 01:24:02 2007 From: baerjj at gmail.com (John Baer) Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2007 21:24:02 -0400 Subject: [F8 Theme Proposal] Fedora Feng Shui Message-ID: <484ace5d0707061824w10c12390ne97dfdc50779e70f@mail.gmail.com> > > M?ir?n Duffy wrote: > > John Baer wrote: > >> I placed my initial images for this submission here for your > >> consideration. > >> > >> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/F8Themes/FengShui > > > > Can you attribute the authors and licenses of the photos in your > proposal? > > Ugh, if those are random photos from flickr or such, remove them and > replace with links? (I think we can't host even CC-BY-SA work in the > wiki, thumbnails may be fair-use, but not full-size versions) > > John, I find your page for the Feng Shui proposal a little inconsistent, > you talk about an abstract style and simplicity, provide two such images > and then a few photos, which are not abstract, neither simple. I feel > those may be better suited as distinct proposals (and I find some of > those photos beautiful). > > -- > nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com > Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ > Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org > my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro > > Thanks for the comments. At this early stage I just wanted to see which style had the most appeal. :) John -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From duffy at redhat.com Sat Jul 7 01:36:30 2007 From: duffy at redhat.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?M=E1ir=ED=ADn_Duffy?=) Date: Fri, 06 Jul 2007 21:36:30 -0400 Subject: [F8 Theme Proposal] Fedora Feng Shui In-Reply-To: <484ace5d0707061824w10c12390ne97dfdc50779e70f@mail.gmail.com> References: <484ace5d0707061824w10c12390ne97dfdc50779e70f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <468EEE1E.8030905@redhat.com> John Baer wrote: > Thanks for the comments. At this early stage I just wanted to see which > style had the most appeal. Even thought this is the early stages, you still need to respect the licenses and the rights of the authors of any works you've borrowed that are not your own. Please attribute these photos to their authors, and with their license. If their license conflicts with our wiki, please remove the photos from the wiki and link to them instead. Else, I will remove the photos from the wiki by next Friday. We need to be very concerned about licensing issues is all. It's fine to link to things that are hosted externally as Nicu suggested, but we shouldn't be lifting photos and uploading them to the wiki without permission. ~m From duffy at redhat.com Sat Jul 7 01:41:23 2007 From: duffy at redhat.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?M=E1ir=ED=ADn_Duffy?=) Date: Fri, 06 Jul 2007 21:41:23 -0400 Subject: round 1 deadline approaching Message-ID: <468EEF43.2000907@redhat.com> Hi folks! The deadline for round 1 is next Wednesday. So if you've got some ideas, set up a wiki page here: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/F8Themes And let us know about it on the list! ~m From lightsolphoenix at gmail.com Sat Jul 7 04:01:49 2007 From: lightsolphoenix at gmail.com (Kelly) Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2007 00:01:49 -0400 Subject: F8 Theme [Other Stuff] In-Reply-To: References: <468D6C04.8010009@gmail.com> <200707051849.29754.lightsolphoenix@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200707070001.49904.lightsolphoenix@gmail.com> On Friday, July 06, 2007 8:45 pm Leo wrote: > On 05/07/2007, Kelly wrote: > > I mean, the capabilities of the graphical boot system are present in > > the Linux kernel itself > > Is this true? In which version of kernel? I can't name off a specific kernel version, but I know that other distros (notably openSUSE and Mandriva) perform graphical boot using stuff directly in the kernel instead of a separate program. http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php/SuSE+10.2+Lizard+Bootsplash?content=53507 - This is the one I used to use. It uses mkinitrd to load the images somehow... A few seconds later: Okay, I found the site for it. The patch isn't part of the official kernel, so I was incorrect when I said it was. Though I still imagine it'd be faster and easier to use the kernel itself to do graphical boot than to use a separate program to do so. Anyway, the site is here: http://www.bootsplash.org/ -- Please avoid sending me Word or PowerPoint attachments. See http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Sat Jul 7 08:20:52 2007 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Sat, 07 Jul 2007 13:50:52 +0530 Subject: F8 Theme [Other Stuff] In-Reply-To: <200707070001.49904.lightsolphoenix@gmail.com> References: <468D6C04.8010009@gmail.com> <200707051849.29754.lightsolphoenix@gmail.com> <200707070001.49904.lightsolphoenix@gmail.com> Message-ID: <468F4CE4.6020905@fedoraproject.org> Kelly wrote: > On Friday, July 06, 2007 8:45 pm Leo wrote: >> On 05/07/2007, Kelly wrote: >>> I mean, the capabilities of the graphical boot system are present in >>> the Linux kernel itself >> Is this true? In which version of kernel? > > I can't name off a specific kernel version, but I know that other distros > (notably openSUSE and Mandriva) perform graphical boot using stuff directly > in the kernel instead of a separate program. > > http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php/SuSE+10.2+Lizard+Bootsplash?content=53507 - > This is the one I used to use. It uses mkinitrd to load the images > somehow... > > A few seconds later: Okay, I found the site for it. The patch isn't part of > the official kernel, so I was incorrect when I said it was. Though I still > imagine it'd be faster and easier to use the kernel itself to do graphical > boot than to use a separate program to do so. > > Anyway, the site is here: http://www.bootsplash.org/ There are very good reasons this patch is not in the upstream kernel including the design and quality of the code. Even if we ignore that and patch the kernel, it will delay updates because of the maintenance overhead so no its not duplication. Read the spec Nicu pointed out. Rahul From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Sat Jul 7 08:24:17 2007 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Sat, 07 Jul 2007 13:54:17 +0530 Subject: Fedora 8 theme (Sounds) In-Reply-To: <468D68AC.6060700@gmail.com> References: <20070704210134.22A567353D@hormel.redhat.com> <468D68AC.6060700@gmail.com> Message-ID: <468F4DB1.4030200@fedoraproject.org> John Baer wrote: > All, > > I put together a wiki page of sounds from the "free sound project" which > I am currently using with Fedora 7. > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/F8Themes/GnomeSounds > Better sound themes is a good effort though I am not sure whether we need to enable it by default. I don't consider sounds as part of the art themes or in the domain of the artwork team at all. You should probably post to fedora-devel list and talk to the maintainers involved. Rahul From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Sat Jul 7 08:27:21 2007 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Sat, 07 Jul 2007 13:57:21 +0530 Subject: [Fedora 8 theme proposal] Fedora Nodoka Round 1 In-Reply-To: <977435.9611.qm@web45211.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> References: <977435.9611.qm@web45211.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <468F4E69.3000200@fedoraproject.org> Daniel Geiger wrote: > In this Nodoka theme proposal, I just have Metacity and GTK+ components > so far. The Metacity component is a revision of Martin Sourada's Nodoka > Metacity. The GTK+ component is an original (based originally on > Aqualooks gtkrc) that utilizes the Murrine theme engine, and is meant to > go with Echo icons, but can (should) work with other icon themes as well. > > For more info, see the wiki page for it: > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DanielGeiger/F8ThemeNodoka Please post screenshots or link to them in the wiki. Installation instructions to try out the theme would also be nice. Rahul From martin.sourada at seznam.cz Sat Jul 7 09:47:30 2007 From: martin.sourada at seznam.cz (Martin Sourada) Date: Sat, 07 Jul 2007 11:47:30 +0200 Subject: [Fedora 8 theme proposal] Fedora Nodoka Round 1 In-Reply-To: <468F4E69.3000200@fedoraproject.org> References: <977435.9611.qm@web45211.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> <468F4E69.3000200@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <1183801650.2945.64.camel@pc-notebook> > Please post screenshots or link to them in the wiki. Installation > instructions to try out the theme would also be nice. > > Rahul > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list We are still making changes to the theme. I did something more or less final, Daniel hadn't comment it yet. You can see the screenshot in my fedoraforum post [1]. Feel free to add your comments. I will make a rpm for easy installation when we decide with Daniel that it's complete enough. Meanwhile if you'd like to test it, just copy the gtkrc file from the attached tar archives (either one of Daniel's or the last one by me) to ~/.themes/Nodoka/gtk-2.0 folder. Martin References: [1] http://forums.fedoraforum.org/forum/showpost.php?p=824387&postcount=19 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Sat Jul 7 12:06:35 2007 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Sat, 07 Jul 2007 17:36:35 +0530 Subject: [Fedora 8 theme proposal] Fedora Nodoka Round 1 In-Reply-To: <1183801650.2945.64.camel@pc-notebook> References: <977435.9611.qm@web45211.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> <468F4E69.3000200@fedoraproject.org> <1183801650.2945.64.camel@pc-notebook> Message-ID: <468F81CB.3060208@fedoraproject.org> Martin Sourada wrote: >> Please post screenshots or link to them in the wiki. Installation >> instructions to try out the theme would also be nice. >> >> Rahul >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Fedora-art-list mailing list >> Fedora-art-list at redhat.com >> http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list > > We are still making changes to the theme. I did something more or less > final, Daniel hadn't comment it yet. You can see the screenshot in my > fedoraforum post [1]. Feel free to add your comments. I will make a rpm > for easy installation when we decide with Daniel that it's complete > enough. Yes. I would prefer a RPM package for testing changes. Have you done any benchmarks to see how well it performs compared to the default theme? http://www.manucornet.net/pub/olpc/gtk-theme-torturer.tgz http://wiki.laptop.org/go/GTK_for_OLPC#GTK_theme.2Fengine_torturer_and_crash_tester Better or atleast equivalent performance is important. Rahul From martin.sourada at seznam.cz Sat Jul 7 12:16:15 2007 From: martin.sourada at seznam.cz (Martin Sourada) Date: Sat, 07 Jul 2007 14:16:15 +0200 Subject: [Fedora 8 theme proposal] Fedora Nodoka Round 1 In-Reply-To: <468F81CB.3060208@fedoraproject.org> References: <977435.9611.qm@web45211.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> <468F4E69.3000200@fedoraproject.org> <1183801650.2945.64.camel@pc-notebook> <468F81CB.3060208@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <1183810575.2945.69.camel@pc-notebook> > Yes. I would prefer a RPM package for testing changes. Have you done any > benchmarks to see how well it performs compared to the default theme? > > http://www.manucornet.net/pub/olpc/gtk-theme-torturer.tgz > http://wiki.laptop.org/go/GTK_for_OLPC#GTK_theme.2Fengine_torturer_and_crash_tester > > Better or atleast equivalent performance is important. > > Rahul > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list As for the rpm. I've just created it [1]. As for the performance - I tested only metacity theme, I don't know how to do benchmark on gtk theme, but Daniel says murrine engine is faster then clearlooks. Here are the results for metacity: $ metacity-theme-viewer Clearlooks Loaded theme "Clearlooks" in 0.01 seconds Drew 100 frames in 0.17 client-side seconds (1.7 milliseconds per frame) and 0.324083 seconds wall clock time including X server resources (3.24083 milliseconds per frame) $ metacity-theme-viewer Nodoka Loaded theme "Nodoka" in 0.01 seconds Drew 100 frames in 0.08 client-side seconds (0.8 milliseconds per frame) and 0.141556 seconds wall clock time including X server resources (1.41556 milliseconds per frame) Martin References: [1] http://feannatar.hostuju.cz/fedora/files/FC7/i386/nodoka-0.3-1.fc7.noarch.rpm -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I don't know why in Clearlooks test it said 3 x 84 iterations while in Nodoka test it said 3 x 1200 iterations, however the settings were the same. 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Here > are the results for metacity: > > $ metacity-theme-viewer Clearlooks > Loaded theme "Clearlooks" in 0.01 seconds > Drew 100 frames in 0.17 client-side seconds (1.7 milliseconds per frame) > and 0.324083 seconds wall clock time including X server resources > (3.24083 milliseconds per frame) > > $ metacity-theme-viewer Nodoka > Loaded theme "Nodoka" in 0.01 seconds > Drew 100 frames in 0.08 client-side seconds (0.8 milliseconds per frame) > and 0.141556 seconds wall clock time including X server resources > (1.41556 milliseconds per frame) > Nodaka is considerably faster here. Are you using the Murrine or Clearlooks engine? I have heard that Murrine is faster and more customizable too. I have installed the package and will be using it for sometime and hope to give more detailed comments. Some initial feedback: It has a distinctive look. Theme appears to be more glossy than the current default. The title bar and especially the minimize, maximize and close buttons are rather large. I don't see the tab like effect in the menus that was there in some of the mockups. Can you add that? The scroll bar blue matches the window buttons but the title bar is a darker blue. Should that somehow match? We should probably have darker as well as ally variants. Rahul From nicolas.mailhot at laposte.net Sat Jul 7 13:27:56 2007 From: nicolas.mailhot at laposte.net (Nicolas Mailhot) Date: Sat, 07 Jul 2007 15:27:56 +0200 Subject: [Fedora 8 theme proposal] Fedora Nodoka Round 1 In-Reply-To: <1183810575.2945.69.camel@pc-notebook> References: <977435.9611.qm@web45211.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> <468F4E69.3000200@fedoraproject.org> <1183801650.2945.64.camel@pc-notebook> <468F81CB.3060208@fedoraproject.org> <1183810575.2945.69.camel@pc-notebook> Message-ID: <1183814876.3608.1.camel@rousalka.dyndns.org> The big problem with the murrine engine is it does not honour colour preferences like a well-behaved theme. -- Nicolas Mailhot -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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It's fine to > link to things that are hosted externally as Nicu suggested, but we > shouldn't be lifting photos and uploading them to the wiki without > permission. > > ~m To the best of my knowledge the photo's I did not personally take would meet the licensing terms of the wiki and open source. I would never suggest we use someone's effort without their approval. As my desire is not to labor over this issue the photo's from the theme submission and the wiki are removed. :( John -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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They work if theme implements them, not the engine. Nodoka is done so that it take effect if you change them. However, if there is a desire and enough time (and people work) we can make a Nodoka engine to fit our needs better. I myself am not 100 % content with the murrine engine and would like to have some styles murrine engine probably does not support. I've also found an interesting engine which has the same effect on tabs I had in the mockups [1]. Maybe we can finish what we can with murrine engine, than derive a nodoka engine from it and gradually rewrite it to fit our needs. Your opinions? Martin References: [1] http://www.gnome-look.org/content/show.php/Aurora+Gtk +Engine?content=56438 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Nodoka is done so > that it take effect if you change them. > > However, if there is a desire and enough time (and people work) we can > make a Nodoka engine to fit our needs better. I myself am not 100 % > content with the murrine engine and would like to have some styles > murrine engine probably does not support. I've also found an interesting > engine which has the same effect on tabs I had in the mockups [1]. Maybe > we can finish what we can with murrine engine, than derive a nodoka > engine from it and gradually rewrite it to fit our needs. Your opinions? Note that themes can use multiple engines. I wouldn't necessarily recommend it, but it is possible, at least for prototyping. From martin.sourada at seznam.cz Sat Jul 7 15:25:19 2007 From: martin.sourada at seznam.cz (Martin Sourada) Date: Sat, 07 Jul 2007 17:25:19 +0200 Subject: [Fedora 8 theme proposal] Fedora Nodoka Round 1 In-Reply-To: <1183817811.3289.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <977435.9611.qm@web45211.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> <468F4E69.3000200@fedoraproject.org> <1183801650.2945.64.camel@pc-notebook> <468F81CB.3060208@fedoraproject.org> <1183810575.2945.69.camel@pc-notebook> <1183814876.3608.1.camel@rousalka.dyndns.org> <1183816245.2945.80.camel@pc-notebook> <1183817811.3289.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1183821919.2945.95.camel@pc-notebook> On Sat, 2007-07-07 at 16:16 +0200, Matthias Clasen wrote: > Note that themes can use multiple engines. I wouldn't necessarily > recommend it, but it is possible, at least for prototyping. > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list Hm... I was playing with the thought of using multiple engines, but I decided that it's not good approach. But I have an idea how could we make the development better. Currently there is me and Daniel, we are both doing similar things and discuss ideas, but none of us has a clear idea how exactly the result should look, so Daniel do some coding, I tell him what I'd like otherwise, he does some changes and so on. Today, as I stated earlier, I adjusted the gtk theme myself... So the idea is: create a wiki page for tracking the Nodoka development, but not under mine or Daniel's personal pages. The sections on the page would be: Goals, License, Download, How it currently looks, How we would like it to look, To Do, Comments. You can see there two sections dedicated to look - one would be more artwork driven: how would we like it to look. There we'd define (gradually) the overal look of the theme. The second section would be more code driven - i.e. what have we managed so far. We could thus more synchronise our efforts. What do you think of it? Oh and in the look sections there would be one screenshot of Nodoka theme in The Widget Factory and one fake screenshot (i.e. made in inkscape) of the same window. Martin -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Of course you wouldn't suggest using something without someone's approval, but you may want to review the contributor's license agreement that you signed back when you were given wiki access, specifically #7: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Legal/Licenses/CLA ~m From gerold at lugd.org Sat Jul 7 19:06:06 2007 From: gerold at lugd.org (Gerold Kassube) Date: Sat, 07 Jul 2007 21:06:06 +0200 Subject: "official" Sticker? Message-ID: <1183835166.3649.10.camel@F7NB.homenet.local> Hi, please excuse, is this an "official Sticker" which can be used, produced and sell by anyone? Take a look at http://www.linux-onlineshop.de/product_info.php/info/p1113_Notebook-Sticker-Fedora.html I wonder, because I never saw, that we call it "Fedora linux" ... Just a question :-) -- Regards Gerold Kassube Fedora Ambassador Deutschland / Germany Schweiz / Switzerland Email: GeroldKa at fedoraproject.org 1024D/F33128B9 4ABC A903 F1F4 D9CC C422 AACA EDF1 DF42 F331 28B9 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: Dies ist ein digital signierter Nachrichtenteil URL: From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Sat Jul 7 19:09:38 2007 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Sun, 08 Jul 2007 00:39:38 +0530 Subject: "official" Sticker? In-Reply-To: <1183835166.3649.10.camel@F7NB.homenet.local> References: <1183835166.3649.10.camel@F7NB.homenet.local> Message-ID: <468FE4F2.1050708@fedoraproject.org> Gerold Kassube wrote: > Hi, > > please excuse, is this an "official Sticker" which can be used, produced > and sell by anyone? > > Take a look at > http://www.linux-onlineshop.de/product_info.php/info/p1113_Notebook-Sticker-Fedora.html > > I wonder, because I never saw, that we call it "Fedora linux" ... > > Just a question :-) No and it is likely a violation of our trademark guidelines to do this. If you have a contact address, drop them a mail and point them to the guidelines. Rahul From gerold at lugd.org Sat Jul 7 19:28:17 2007 From: gerold at lugd.org (Gerold Kassube) Date: Sat, 07 Jul 2007 21:28:17 +0200 Subject: "official" Sticker? In-Reply-To: <468FE4F2.1050708@fedoraproject.org> References: <1183835166.3649.10.camel@F7NB.homenet.local> <468FE4F2.1050708@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <1183836497.3649.28.camel@F7NB.homenet.local> Rahul, I'll do so; there are more than only "one" violation. I asked within another question also in the Ambassador-ML and also informed the Webshop and legal ..... On the other hand: Why we don't create such "official stickers" and announce them for free usage on the fedorawiki; we can see, that the used sticker seems to be "stolen" from Nicu from his page at http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/artwork/ If we have such things all can be use the correct ones, ... ... and we have maybe less "problems" :-/ Just my five cents Regards Gerold Am Sonntag, den 08.07.2007, 00:39 +0530 schrieb Rahul Sundaram: > Gerold Kassube wrote: > > Hi, > > > > please excuse, is this an "official Sticker" which can be used, produced > > and sell by anyone? > > > > Take a look at > > http://www.linux-onlineshop.de/product_info.php/info/p1113_Notebook-Sticker-Fedora.html > > > > I wonder, because I never saw, that we call it "Fedora linux" ... > > > > Just a question :-) > > No and it is likely a violation of our trademark guidelines to do this. > If you have a contact address, drop them a mail and point them to the > guidelines. > > Rahul > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list > -- Gerold Kassube -Vorstandsvorsitzender- Linux Usergroup L?rrach e.V. 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Plus, if you are making your modifications of the Nodoka theme which you'd like to include please name your theme differently (nodoka-branch_name is recommended) because from now on it will be considered different branch to avoid confusion and ease the development - e.g. you could have the nodoka theme installed, while tweaking nodoka-branch_name theme. Thanks, Martin References: [1] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/NodokaTheme -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I would never > > suggest we use someone's effort without their approval. > > If this is true you didn't have to take them down, but you should > link > to the place where you got them with that licensing information. > > Of course you wouldn't suggest using something without someone's > approval, but you may want to review the contributor's license > agreement > that you signed back when you were given wiki access, specifically #7: > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Legal/Licenses/CLA > > ~m > More curious than anything else. If we are Ok with the creative commons license, http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-sa/2.0/ , then what does #7 of the CLA need in order to be satisfied? John From dgeiger_343 at yahoo.com Sun Jul 8 03:24:10 2007 From: dgeiger_343 at yahoo.com (Daniel Geiger) Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2007 20:24:10 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Fedora Nodoka Theme Proposal In-Reply-To: <1183838485.2945.105.camel@pc-notebook> Message-ID: <426554.73662.qm@web45215.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> As for the Nodoka gtk theme clocking much more slowly than the current default, I should mention that the Murrine theme engine for whatever reason does not operate well when there are more than, say, 2 or 3 instances loaded into memory. I have revised the gtkrc back down to only 2 instances of the engine. Also, I have made a Nodoka fork of the Murrine theme engine. With the Nodoka theme engine, I hope to create a theme engine that has a distinct Nodoka look, but to have the same level of configurability of Murrine. I also think the Metacity theme needs a good deal of work yet, if the buttons are going to be together, and support all layouts. I'll try to post the Nodoka theme engine source code, with the other Nodoka theme revisions I've been making. Martin Sourada wrote: Hi all, I put together a official, non-personal Nodoka theme wiki page [1]. You can get most info there, also if you wish to test the theme, it's the right place. RPM package is included. I made a new mockup of how I would like it to look and compared it on the wiki with the current look. I hope to have the official branch of Nodoka theme there. Comments are welcome. Plus, if you are making your modifications of the Nodoka theme which you'd like to include please name your theme differently (nodoka-branch_name is recommended) because from now on it will be considered different branch to avoid confusion and ease the development - e.g. you could have the nodoka theme installed, while tweaking nodoka-branch_name theme. Thanks, Martin References: [1] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/NodokaTheme _______________________________________________ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list at redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list --------------------------------- Never miss an email again! Yahoo! Toolbar alerts you the instant new Mail arrives. Check it out. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From duffy at redhat.com Sun Jul 8 04:06:02 2007 From: duffy at redhat.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?M=E1ir=ED=ADn_Duffy?=) Date: Sun, 08 Jul 2007 00:06:02 -0400 Subject: [F8 Theme Proposal] Fedora Feng Shu In-Reply-To: <1183839467.6247.17.camel@baerj-desktop.attbi.com> References: <20070707160005.54FE77317B@hormel.redhat.com> <1183839467.6247.17.camel@baerj-desktop.attbi.com> Message-ID: <469062AA.3040303@redhat.com> John Baer wrote: > More curious than anything else. If we are Ok with the creative commons > license, http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-sa/2.0/ , then what > does #7 of the CLA need in order to be satisfied? I'm not a lawyer, but the CLA itself seems to suggest: "you may submit it to the Project separately from any Contribution, identifying the complete details of its source and of any license or other restriction" which would be pretty much what I was hoping you would be willing to do - identify the author and its license, Creative Commons or not. ~m From luya_tfz at thefinalzone.com Sun Jul 8 06:19:42 2007 From: luya_tfz at thefinalzone.com (Luya Tshimbalanga) Date: Sat, 07 Jul 2007 23:19:42 -0700 Subject: [Echo icon theme] Forward/Backward icons - change colouring? In-Reply-To: <1183718899.2945.57.camel@pc-notebook> References: <1183718899.2945.57.camel@pc-notebook> Message-ID: <469081FE.9020609@thefinalzone.com> Martin Sourada a ?crit : > Hi, > > I have a little suggestion concerning the Echo icons. We have there > icons for undo/redo actions which are coloured orange respectively > green. I must say that I really like them and like the idea - it's even > easier to distinguish which one is which. So, I thought we could use the > same colour scheme for backward/forward icons which are currently blue. > Maybe some other icons might be adjusted to this colour scheme as well. > What do you think about it? > I think that approach is a bad idea because it will create confusions for the users. Leave the backward/forward icons as they are. Luya From nicolas.mailhot at laposte.net Sun Jul 8 08:36:41 2007 From: nicolas.mailhot at laposte.net (Nicolas Mailhot) Date: Sun, 08 Jul 2007 10:36:41 +0200 Subject: "official" Sticker? In-Reply-To: <1183836497.3649.28.camel@F7NB.homenet.local> References: <1183835166.3649.10.camel@F7NB.homenet.local> <468FE4F2.1050708@fedoraproject.org> <1183836497.3649.28.camel@F7NB.homenet.local> Message-ID: <1183883801.29249.3.camel@rousalka.dyndns.org> Le samedi 07 juillet 2007 ? 21:28 +0200, Gerold Kassube a ?crit : > Why we don't create such "official stickers" and announce them for free > usage on the fedorawiki; we can see, that the used sticker seems to be > "stolen" from Nicu from his page at http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/artwork/ To be fair I've seen very similar stickers discussed on local Fedora lists, so the shop probably lifted a design we failed to finish and make official. I wouldn't be surprised if an extensive search found this sticker either on current fedora wiki pages or on archived ones. -- Nicolas Mailhot -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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In-Reply-To: <1183883801.29249.3.camel@rousalka.dyndns.org> References: <1183835166.3649.10.camel@F7NB.homenet.local> <468FE4F2.1050708@fedoraproject.org> <1183836497.3649.28.camel@F7NB.homenet.local> <1183883801.29249.3.camel@rousalka.dyndns.org> Message-ID: <4690A2E3.9060306@fedoraproject.org> Nicolas Mailhot wrote: > Le samedi 07 juillet 2007 ? 21:28 +0200, Gerold Kassube a ?crit : > >> Why we don't create such "official stickers" and announce them for free >> usage on the fedorawiki; we can see, that the used sticker seems to be >> "stolen" from Nicu from his page at http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/artwork/ > > To be fair I've seen very similar stickers discussed on local Fedora > lists, so the shop probably lifted a design we failed to finish and make > official. I wouldn't be surprised if an extensive search found this > sticker either on current fedora wiki pages or on archived ones. So why don't we finish the design and put up in the wiki? Rahul From nicolas.mailhot at laposte.net Sun Jul 8 08:45:27 2007 From: nicolas.mailhot at laposte.net (Nicolas Mailhot) Date: Sun, 08 Jul 2007 10:45:27 +0200 Subject: [Fedora 8 theme proposal] Fedora Nodoka Round 1 In-Reply-To: <1183816245.2945.80.camel@pc-notebook> References: <977435.9611.qm@web45211.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> <468F4E69.3000200@fedoraproject.org> <1183801650.2945.64.camel@pc-notebook> <468F81CB.3060208@fedoraproject.org> <1183810575.2945.69.camel@pc-notebook> <1183814876.3608.1.camel@rousalka.dyndns.org> <1183816245.2945.80.camel@pc-notebook> Message-ID: <1183884327.29249.9.camel@rousalka.dyndns.org> Le samedi 07 juillet 2007 ? 15:50 +0200, Martin Sourada a ?crit : > Do you mean the colours that can be set at theme details -> colours tab? > They work if theme implements them, not the engine. Nodoka is done so > that it take effect if you change them. I'm kind of sceptical because none of the murrine themes you get when installing the engine does this (they either refuse to or only partly change colours) Anyway if an "official" Fedora them is produced supporting the Fedora desktop capabilities (including colour change) is a must. Esp. if we are going to insist on only producing electric blue designs ourselves. -- Nicolas Mailhot -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 197 bytes Desc: Ceci est une partie de message num?riquement sign?e URL: From nicolas.mailhot at laposte.net Sun Jul 8 08:48:16 2007 From: nicolas.mailhot at laposte.net (Nicolas Mailhot) Date: Sun, 08 Jul 2007 10:48:16 +0200 Subject: "official" Sticker? In-Reply-To: <4690A2E3.9060306@fedoraproject.org> References: <1183835166.3649.10.camel@F7NB.homenet.local> <468FE4F2.1050708@fedoraproject.org> <1183836497.3649.28.camel@F7NB.homenet.local> <1183883801.29249.3.camel@rousalka.dyndns.org> <4690A2E3.9060306@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <1183884496.29249.12.camel@rousalka.dyndns.org> Le dimanche 08 juillet 2007 ? 14:10 +0530, Rahul Sundaram a ?crit : > Nicolas Mailhot wrote: > > Le samedi 07 juillet 2007 ? 21:28 +0200, Gerold Kassube a ?crit : > > > >> Why we don't create such "official stickers" and announce them for free > >> usage on the fedorawiki; we can see, that the used sticker seems to be > >> "stolen" from Nicu from his page at http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/artwork/ > > > > To be fair I've seen very similar stickers discussed on local Fedora > > lists, so the shop probably lifted a design we failed to finish and make > > official. I wouldn't be surprised if an extensive search found this > > sticker either on current fedora wiki pages or on archived ones. > > So why don't we finish the design and put up in the wiki? IIRC the main stumbling block was trademark issues since such a sticker is pretty much limited by area to a re-composing of the Fedora logo. So the trademark guardians need to state clearly what they are ready to accept. -- Nicolas Mailhot -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 197 bytes Desc: Ceci est une partie de message num?riquement sign?e URL: From gerold at lugd.org Sun Jul 8 08:52:37 2007 From: gerold at lugd.org (Gerold Kassube) Date: Sun, 08 Jul 2007 10:52:37 +0200 Subject: "official" Sticker? In-Reply-To: <4690A2E3.9060306@fedoraproject.org> References: <1183835166.3649.10.camel@F7NB.homenet.local> <468FE4F2.1050708@fedoraproject.org> <1183836497.3649.28.camel@F7NB.homenet.local> <1183883801.29249.3.camel@rousalka.dyndns.org> <4690A2E3.9060306@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <1183884757.3649.43.camel@F7NB.homenet.local> Am Sonntag, den 08.07.2007, 14:10 +0530 schrieb Rahul Sundaram: ... > sticker either on current fedora wiki pages or on archived ones. > > So why don't we finish the design and put up in the wiki? ^^ THIS was my thinking an wishes which I want to have be done with my mail ... ... and if we're on the way to do so .... ... we should also create layouts for "printwork" for various usage like - keychains - stickers - for Front-Side of Desktops - in the size like the "intel inside"-Logo - for cars - for magnetic pins - for pins in general and so on ... I'm sure we find a lot of usage where we need and WANT to have "our logo" on ... Creating a special Wikipage and announce that usage for everyone should be the easier work which has to be done :-) Regards Gerold PS.: maybe we can also vote in the community for "each" design and usage :-) -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: Dies ist ein digital signierter Nachrichtenteil URL: From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Sun Jul 8 09:00:19 2007 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Sun, 08 Jul 2007 14:30:19 +0530 Subject: "official" Sticker? In-Reply-To: <1183884496.29249.12.camel@rousalka.dyndns.org> References: <1183835166.3649.10.camel@F7NB.homenet.local> <468FE4F2.1050708@fedoraproject.org> <1183836497.3649.28.camel@F7NB.homenet.local> <1183883801.29249.3.camel@rousalka.dyndns.org> <4690A2E3.9060306@fedoraproject.org> <1183884496.29249.12.camel@rousalka.dyndns.org> Message-ID: <4690A7A3.2030701@fedoraproject.org> Nicolas Mailhot wrote: > Le dimanche 08 juillet 2007 ? 14:10 +0530, Rahul Sundaram a ?crit : >> Nicolas Mailhot wrote: >>> Le samedi 07 juillet 2007 ? 21:28 +0200, Gerold Kassube a ?crit : >>> >>>> Why we don't create such "official stickers" and announce them for free >>>> usage on the fedorawiki; we can see, that the used sticker seems to be >>>> "stolen" from Nicu from his page at http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/artwork/ >>> To be fair I've seen very similar stickers discussed on local Fedora >>> lists, so the shop probably lifted a design we failed to finish and make >>> official. I wouldn't be surprised if an extensive search found this >>> sticker either on current fedora wiki pages or on archived ones. >> So why don't we finish the design and put up in the wiki? > > IIRC the main stumbling block was trademark issues since such a sticker > is pretty much limited by area to a re-composing of the Fedora logo. So > the trademark guardians need to state clearly what they are ready to > accept. Is there any candidate proposals that are accepted within the art work team. Mo should be able to tell you whether they match the usage guidelines for the logo. That is all that matter IMO. Rahul From martin.sourada at seznam.cz Sun Jul 8 09:15:17 2007 From: martin.sourada at seznam.cz (Martin Sourada) Date: Sun, 08 Jul 2007 11:15:17 +0200 Subject: [Fedora 8 theme proposal] Fedora Nodoka Round 1 In-Reply-To: <1183884327.29249.9.camel@rousalka.dyndns.org> References: <977435.9611.qm@web45211.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> <468F4E69.3000200@fedoraproject.org> <1183801650.2945.64.camel@pc-notebook> <468F81CB.3060208@fedoraproject.org> <1183810575.2945.69.camel@pc-notebook> <1183814876.3608.1.camel@rousalka.dyndns.org> <1183816245.2945.80.camel@pc-notebook> <1183884327.29249.9.camel@rousalka.dyndns.org> Message-ID: <1183886117.2945.109.camel@pc-notebook> On Sun, 2007-07-08 at 10:45 +0200, Nicolas Mailhot wrote: > I'm kind of sceptical because none of the murrine themes you get when > installing the engine does this (they either refuse to or only partly > change colours) > > Anyway if an "official" Fedora them is produced supporting the Fedora > desktop capabilities (including colour change) is a must. Esp. if we are > going to insist on only producing electric blue designs ourselves. > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list I just tried to change the colours for the Nodoka theme (in Theme Details -> Colours tab) for something distinctive from the original (and completely insane) and the only thing that didn't change it's colour is the scrollbar. Anyway, I don't want the scrollbar to be blue all the time, so this fix is a must for me, and the rest seems to work. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From nicolas.mailhot at laposte.net Sun Jul 8 09:22:24 2007 From: nicolas.mailhot at laposte.net (Nicolas Mailhot) Date: Sun, 08 Jul 2007 11:22:24 +0200 Subject: "official" Sticker? In-Reply-To: <4690A7A3.2030701@fedoraproject.org> References: <1183835166.3649.10.camel@F7NB.homenet.local> <468FE4F2.1050708@fedoraproject.org> <1183836497.3649.28.camel@F7NB.homenet.local> <1183883801.29249.3.camel@rousalka.dyndns.org> <4690A2E3.9060306@fedoraproject.org> <1183884496.29249.12.camel@rousalka.dyndns.org> <4690A7A3.2030701@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <1183886544.30765.4.camel@rousalka.dyndns.org> Le dimanche 08 juillet 2007 ? 14:30 +0530, Rahul Sundaram a ?crit : > Is there any candidate proposals that are accepted within the art work > team. Mo should be able to tell you whether they match the usage > guidelines for the logo. That is all that matter IMO. You have one series there http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-fr-list/2006-November/msg00113.html Honestly the basic concept is more or less always the same, so if Mo is trusted with the whole sticker thing I suspect it'll be faster to let her just design a good one than hunt for all the variants that exist in the wild. But if you insist you'll have to ask the marketing lists. They are the ones who know what has been produced in each country. -- Nicolas Mailhot -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 197 bytes Desc: Ceci est une partie de message num?riquement sign?e URL: From nicolas.mailhot at laposte.net Sun Jul 8 09:29:17 2007 From: nicolas.mailhot at laposte.net (Nicolas Mailhot) Date: Sun, 08 Jul 2007 11:29:17 +0200 Subject: "official" Sticker? In-Reply-To: <1183886544.30765.4.camel@rousalka.dyndns.org> References: <1183835166.3649.10.camel@F7NB.homenet.local> <468FE4F2.1050708@fedoraproject.org> <1183836497.3649.28.camel@F7NB.homenet.local> <1183883801.29249.3.camel@rousalka.dyndns.org> <4690A2E3.9060306@fedoraproject.org> <1183884496.29249.12.camel@rousalka.dyndns.org> <4690A7A3.2030701@fedoraproject.org> <1183886544.30765.4.camel@rousalka.dyndns.org> Message-ID: <1183886957.30765.9.camel@rousalka.dyndns.org> Le dimanche 08 juillet 2007 ? 11:22 +0200, Nicolas Mailhot a ?crit : > Le dimanche 08 juillet 2007 ? 14:30 +0530, Rahul Sundaram a ?crit : > > > Is there any candidate proposals that are accepted within the art work > > team. Mo should be able to tell you whether they match the usage > > guidelines for the logo. That is all that matter IMO. > > You have one series there > http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-fr-list/2006-November/msg00113.html And others there: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/artwork/ http://beranger.org/index.php?fullarticle=2587&page=3k http://www.it2l.com/product_info.php?products_id=905&osCsid=c6891aa29d8ba9834c19d8cfe00db980 http://www.linux-onlineshop.de/product_info.php/info/p1153_PC-Sticker---Fedora-Linux.html http://www.fidu.de/product_info.php/info/p1149_Notebook-Sticker--powered-by-Fedora.html Just google Fedora sticker the net is awash with them -- Nicolas Mailhot -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Also when i make a theme i want it to be running on both KDE and Gnome and not just gnome alone. that's not an option for me. - I'm also in the progress of making a PHP script which really needs to get some more time now. - And last of all. I want to see where redhat is in a few months. And recent rumors about talks with Microsoft don't really motivate me to continue. So sadly enough i'm out. If anyone wants my sources (.psd photoshop ... (yes i know, no oss software) files.) Mail me privately on this mail and i will send them to you. To all other competitors that are still in. i wish you all the best of luck while making the theme and please don't leave KDE out of it. Also don't forget the taskbar.. becaue i really get bored of that default gray and that can use a more fedora style (light-blue? drak-blue?). Good luck to all, Mark 2007/7/7, M?ir??n Duffy : > Hi folks! > > The deadline for round 1 is next Wednesday. So if you've got some ideas, > set up a wiki page here: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/F8Themes > > And let us know about it on the list! > > ~m > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list > From martin.sourada at seznam.cz Sun Jul 8 17:25:21 2007 From: martin.sourada at seznam.cz (Martin Sourada) Date: Sun, 08 Jul 2007 19:25:21 +0200 Subject: Fedora Nodoka Theme Proposal In-Reply-To: <1183838485.2945.105.camel@pc-notebook> References: <1183838485.2945.105.camel@pc-notebook> Message-ID: <1183915521.2945.121.camel@pc-notebook> Daniel Geiger wrote: > As for the Nodoka gtk theme clocking much more slowly than the current > default, I should mention that the Murrine theme engine for whatever > reason does not operate well when there are more than, say, 2 or 3 > instances loaded into memory. I have revised the gtkrc back down to > only 2 instances of the engine. > Also, I have made a Nodoka fork of the Murrine theme engine. With the > Nodoka theme engine, I hope to create a theme engine that has a > distinct Nodoka look, but to have the same level of configurability of > Murrine. > I also think the Metacity theme needs a good deal of work yet, if the > buttons are going to be together, and support all layouts. I'll try > to post the Nodoka theme engine source code, with the other Nodoka > theme revisions I've been making. Good. As for the metacity, I think we might go with buttons together which are on the right side of the window, for the buttons on the left I would use no background, only some prelight/pushed effects. The last metacity I've done (available on the wiki [1]) is done in this way, so multiple button layouts are supported, though it still needs some refinement for the buttons on the left... As for the Nodoka engine, do you think you could make it generate similar look I sketched [1]? Feel free to upload the sources on the wiki [1] - they aren't that big and for the start it's the best we can do, IMHO. Later we could ask for fedora hosting for the sources... Martin PS: Seems that mails from you to art-list somehow get lost on their way to me. Could you CC me please when you post something concerning Nodoka? Thanks. references: [1] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/NodokaTheme -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From baerjj at gmail.com Mon Jul 9 01:36:29 2007 From: baerjj at gmail.com (John Baer) Date: Sun, 08 Jul 2007 21:36:29 -0400 Subject: The process is confusing, the red tape frustrating. Message-ID: <1183944989.5443.74.camel@baerj-desktop.attbi.com> It has been alluded to that in Diana's absence the Art Team would be tasked with crafting the default artwork for fedora 8. Nicu indicated in volume 15, issue 49 the fedora leadership supports this. http://lwn.net/Articles/237700/ However, Mo seems to disagree with her statements in volume 15, issue 53. > I have been hesitant to start really driving this because I was hoping > I could get you all a more firm answer on whether or not the artwork > would definitely be considered as the default theme. Since I have not > been able to do that, and we are quickly running out of time, here is > the one thing I can promise you: I will definitely find a way to > package and make easily installable at least some of the artwork we > come up with if it isn't considered for the default artwork. Let's > just focus on coming up with the best theme we can. So which way is it? If we are not working on the default why not use Gnome-Art, Gnome-Look, or KDE-Look for our submissions? > John Baer wrote: > > More curious than anything else. If we are Ok with the creative > commons > > license, http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-sa/2.0/ , then > what > > does #7 of the CLA need in order to be satisfied? > > I'm not a lawyer, but the CLA itself seems to suggest: > > "you may submit it to the Project separately from any Contribution, > identifying the complete details of its source and of any license or > other restriction" > > which would be pretty much what I was hoping you would be willing to > do > - identify the author and its license, Creative Commons or not. > > ~m As it turns out I'm not a lawyer either and I don't understand it. On Fri, 06 Jul 2007 Nicu Buculei wrote: > Ugh, if those are random photos from flickr or such, remove them and > replace with links? (I think we can't host even CC-BY-SA work in the > wiki, thumbnails may be fair-use, but not full-size versions) Ouch, where did this come from? Yes, some of the source photo's came from flickr. Yes they are all licensed under the creative commons license. Yes I would give full credit to the author on any image moving forward. Yes, yes, yes. Why is this vast source of artistic material considered a bad thing? I find it frustrating working in an environment shadowed by legal fine print and constant legal warnings (ie. By hitting Save Changes you put your changes under the WikiLicense. If you don't want that, hit Cancel to cancel your changes). I have not run across this disclosure on any other wiki. Although I believe the desire is to create an open forum which fosters the flow creative ideas, this is not working. John From duffy at redhat.com Mon Jul 9 03:22:13 2007 From: duffy at redhat.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?M=E1ir=ED=ADn_Duffy?=) Date: Sun, 08 Jul 2007 23:22:13 -0400 Subject: The process is confusing, the red tape frustrating. In-Reply-To: <1183944989.5443.74.camel@baerj-desktop.attbi.com> References: <1183944989.5443.74.camel@baerj-desktop.attbi.com> Message-ID: <4691A9E5.1000704@redhat.com> >> John Baer wrote: >>> More curious than anything else. If we are Ok with the creative >> commons >>> license, http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-sa/2.0/ , then >> what >>> does #7 of the CLA need in order to be satisfied? >> I'm not a lawyer, but the CLA itself seems to suggest: >> >> "you may submit it to the Project separately from any Contribution, >> identifying the complete details of its source and of any license or >> other restriction" >> >> which would be pretty much what I was hoping you would be willing to >> do >> - identify the author and its license, Creative Commons or not. > As it turns out I'm not a lawyer either and I don't understand it. Even though I am not a lawyer I feel the language is pretty clear. Also, I do not believe the practice of using other's work without citing it, even if it's scratch work, in a public forum is really acceptable just out of respect for other artists, you know? Even here when we build on each other's work I've noticed we've been very good about stating whose works we built upon. I think it's a good practice even outside of the fact that the CLA requires it, honestly. ~m From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Mon Jul 9 06:28:37 2007 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2007 09:28:37 +0300 Subject: round 1 deadline approaching In-Reply-To: <6e24a8e80707080425u5a0cf960w6368e023f81e0583@mail.gmail.com> References: <468EEF43.2000907@redhat.com> <6e24a8e80707080425u5a0cf960w6368e023f81e0583@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4691D595.1000803@nicubunu.ro> Mark wrote: > > sadly i pull out of the theming "battle" for Fedora 8. > My theme was MageFedoraTheme (not registered on the wiki). The "battle" is not for widget (GTK+) themes but for graphics (backgrounds, splashes) > - And last of all. I want to see where redhat is in a few months. And > recent rumors about talks with Microsoft don't really motivate me to > continue. Ok, the Art list is not the place to flame about this, but I believe you are referring to the talk where RH said something along the lines "we won't talk with MS about intellectual property" - http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1895,2154521,00.asp > If anyone wants my sources (.psd photoshop ... (yes i know, no oss > software) files.) Mail me privately on this mail and i will send them > to you. Well, it does not do it perfectly, but GIMP can open .psd files pretty well. -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Mon Jul 9 06:43:35 2007 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2007 09:43:35 +0300 Subject: "official" Sticker? In-Reply-To: <1183836497.3649.28.camel@F7NB.homenet.local> References: <1183835166.3649.10.camel@F7NB.homenet.local> <468FE4F2.1050708@fedoraproject.org> <1183836497.3649.28.camel@F7NB.homenet.local> Message-ID: <4691D917.8040800@nicubunu.ro> Gerold Kassube wrote: > > On the other hand: > Why we don't create such "official stickers" and announce them for free > usage on the fedorawiki; we can see, that the used sticker seems to be > "stolen" from Nicu from his page at http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/artwork/ > > If we have such things all can be use the correct ones, ... > ... and we have maybe less "problems" :-/ If you think this is useful, I can upload my stickers to the wiki. I think I follow the trademark guidelines closely. And that sticker does not look like a derivative from my sources, probably we both used the same visual reference from elsewhere. >> Gerold Kassube wrote: >>> please excuse, is this an "official Sticker" which can be used, produced >>> and sell by anyone? >>> >>> Take a look at >>> http://www.linux-onlineshop.de/product_info.php/info/p1113_Notebook-Sticker-Fedora.html -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From martin.sourada at seznam.cz Mon Jul 9 10:02:08 2007 From: martin.sourada at seznam.cz (Martin Sourada) Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2007 12:02:08 +0200 Subject: [F8 Theme Proposal] Floating Cubes Message-ID: <1183975328.2945.131.camel@pc-notebook> Hi, I am studying Linear Algebra ATM and some kind of displaying math seems to be interesting. The idea which hit me is a projection of N dimensional cubes on a plane. It's nice, but too complex for a theme IMHO, but if you highlight some 3D cubes trapped inside you get something that looks like floating cubes. So I therefore propose a new theme called Floating Cubes. One of the advantages of this theme is that you can create infinite amount of modifications (i.e. you can start with 15D cube, or 21D cube, or 7D cube, you can highlight different 3D cubes, you can highlight them differently, etc.) while keeping the overal look the same. It's also quite easy to draw an N dimensional cube using this kind of projection... Martin References: [1] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/F8Themes/FloatingCubes -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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One of the advantages of this theme is that > you can create infinite amount of modifications (i.e. you can start with > 15D cube, or 21D cube, or 7D cube, you can highlight different 3D cubes, > you can highlight them differently, etc.) while keeping the overal look > the same. It's also quite easy to draw an N dimensional cube using this > kind of projection... > > Martin > > References: > [1] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/F8Themes/FloatingCubes > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list > > > From mola.mp at gmail.com Mon Jul 9 15:09:52 2007 From: mola.mp at gmail.com (Mola Pahnadayan) Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2007 18:39:52 +0330 Subject: F8 Themen proposal Message-ID: <46924FC0.1080802@gmail.com> Hi all :) http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/F8Themes/Thunder From markg85 at gmail.com Mon Jul 9 15:28:27 2007 From: markg85 at gmail.com (Mark) Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2007 17:28:27 +0200 Subject: F8 Themen proposal In-Reply-To: <46924FC0.1080802@gmail.com> References: <46924FC0.1080802@gmail.com> Message-ID: <6e24a8e80707090828x33051697la9e616bc673707c@mail.gmail.com> looks good. but i think you need to light up the area around the lightning in the clouds. 2007/7/9, Mola Pahnadayan : > Hi all :) > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/F8Themes/Thunder > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list > From nicolas.mailhot at laposte.net Mon Jul 9 15:39:02 2007 From: nicolas.mailhot at laposte.net (Nicolas Mailhot) Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2007 17:39:02 +0200 (CEST) Subject: F8 Themen proposal In-Reply-To: <6e24a8e80707090828x33051697la9e616bc673707c@mail.gmail.com> References: <46924FC0.1080802@gmail.com> <6e24a8e80707090828x33051697la9e616bc673707c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <28021.192.54.193.51.1183995542.squirrel@rousalka.dyndns.org> Le Lun 9 juillet 2007 17:28, Mark a ?crit : > looks good. > but i think you need to light up the area around the lightning in the > clouds. > > 2007/7/9, Mola Pahnadayan : >> Hi all :) >> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/F8Themes/Thunder so much for warm and cudly ;) -- Nicolas Mailhot From zytemp at zianet.com Mon Jul 9 16:35:53 2007 From: zytemp at zianet.com (Danial) Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2007 10:35:53 -0600 Subject: F8 Themen proposal In-Reply-To: <46924FC0.1080802@gmail.com> References: <46924FC0.1080802@gmail.com> Message-ID: <469263E9.9000802@zianet.com> Mola Pahnadayan wrote: > Hi all :) > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/F8Themes/Thunder > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list > > That's some high-energy stuff you've got going on there, Mola! Nice! Dan From onuorah_ifeoma at yahoo.com Mon Jul 9 17:05:33 2007 From: onuorah_ifeoma at yahoo.com (Ifeoma Onuorah) Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2007 10:05:33 -0700 (PDT) Subject: F8 Themen proposal In-Reply-To: <46924FC0.1080802@gmail.com> Message-ID: <49429.21776.qm@web35708.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I really like this proposal for f8. It kinde reminds me of what the art team went with the last theme of fedora with the whole sky and air balloons. That theme seemed more tranquil though. This seems a little turbulent with the lightening but I still think it could work. Good job Mola! Mola Pahnadayan wrote: Hi all :) http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/F8Themes/Thunder _______________________________________________ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list at redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list --------------------------------- Get your own web address. Have a HUGE year through Yahoo! 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You might find it frustrating but even if you ignore the legal sceneario (which you really can't) attribution is considered basic courtesy. Rahul From baerjj at gmail.com Tue Jul 10 16:26:17 2007 From: baerjj at gmail.com (John Baer) Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 12:26:17 -0400 Subject: The process is confusing, the red tape frustrating. Message-ID: <484ace5d0707100926y95d8c05kbc0be854092c4ec3@mail.gmail.com> On 7/9/07, M?ir??n Duffy wrote: Even though I am not a lawyer I feel the language is pretty clear. Also, > I do not believe the practice of using other's work without citing it, > even if it's scratch work, in a public forum is really acceptable just > out of respect for other artists, you know? Even here when we build on > each other's work I've noticed we've been very good about stating whose > works we built upon. I think it's a good practice even outside of the > fact that the CLA requires it, honestly. > > ~m Ok, fair enough ... However, how would you or I know if the artwork is original? Is it safe to assume it is unless otherwise stated? I would never blast you the way Nicu blasted me, but I assume the photo's on your submission are yours as you have not made a statement of attribution. Do you need to? ;) Finally, wouldn't these rules apply to all forms of artwork? John -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From baerjj at gmail.com Tue Jul 10 22:11:42 2007 From: baerjj at gmail.com (John Baer) Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 18:11:42 -0400 Subject: The process is confusing, the red tape frustrating. In-Reply-To: <20070710160006.9B4FD73464@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20070710160006.9B4FD73464@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1184105502.6275.9.camel@baerj-desktop.attbi.com> On Tue, 2007-07-10 at 12:00 -0400, fedora-art-list-request at redhat.com wrote: Rahul Sundaram wrote: > John Baer wrote: > > > I find it frustrating working in an environment shadowed by legal > fine > > print and constant legal warnings (ie. By hitting Save Changes you > put > > your changes under the WikiLicense. If you don't want that, hit > Cancel > > to cancel your changes). I have not run across this disclosure on > any > > other wiki. > > It is present in many wikis including wikipedia and they have similar > rules on using material under various copyright licenses. Go ahead > and > look for yourself. You might find it frustrating but even if you > ignore > the legal sceneario (which you really can't) attribution is > considered > basic courtesy. > > Rahul Rahul, I agree completely! A topic as important as this may need a wiki page explaining what is desired and examples of how to meet the desired result. I believe most of us want to do the right thing but some need a little additional help. Thank you for your comments, John From duffy at redhat.com Tue Jul 10 22:13:28 2007 From: duffy at redhat.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?M=E1ir=ED=ADn_Duffy?=) Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 18:13:28 -0400 Subject: The process is confusing, the red tape frustrating. In-Reply-To: <484ace5d0707100926y95d8c05kbc0be854092c4ec3@mail.gmail.com> References: <484ace5d0707100926y95d8c05kbc0be854092c4ec3@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <46940488.6070309@redhat.com> John Baer wrote: > I would never blast you the way Nicu blasted me, but I assume the > photo's on your submission are yours as you have not made a statement of > attribution. > > Do you need to? ;) I state pretty clearly on my proposal: "Here are some examples from photos I have taken from a number of places" I take attribution and licensing very seriously. > Finally, wouldn't these rules apply to all forms of artwork? Yes, they do! ~m From duffy at redhat.com Tue Jul 10 22:52:30 2007 From: duffy at redhat.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?M=E1ir=ED=ADn_Duffy?=) Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 18:52:30 -0400 Subject: The process is confusing, the red tape frustrating. In-Reply-To: <484ace5d0707100926y95d8c05kbc0be854092c4ec3@mail.gmail.com> References: <484ace5d0707100926y95d8c05kbc0be854092c4ec3@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <46940DAE.8020203@redhat.com> btw.... John Baer wrote: > Ok, fair enough ... > > However, how would you or I know if the artwork is original? Is it safe > to assume it is unless otherwise stated? No, it's not; if you're going to use something that isn't explicitly licensed for your use, you have to do the legwork to make sure it's okay or avoid using it. For Mola's first submission, for example, I had a conversation with him to confirm that his work was original (it was indeed; the one thing was that he made use of a gimp brush but it was very openly licensed and used in such a way that I do not think it would affect the license of the final creation. He gave me a link to the brush (from deviantart) and the author of the brush and both were fine.) > I would never blast you the way Nicu blasted me, ? I'm not sure what you're referring to here. ~m From duffy at redhat.com Tue Jul 10 22:54:17 2007 From: duffy at redhat.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?M=E1ir=ED=ADn_Duffy?=) Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 18:54:17 -0400 Subject: The process is confusing, the red tape frustrating. In-Reply-To: <1184105502.6275.9.camel@baerj-desktop.attbi.com> References: <20070710160006.9B4FD73464@hormel.redhat.com> <1184105502.6275.9.camel@baerj-desktop.attbi.com> Message-ID: <46940E19.5050808@redhat.com> John Baer wrote: > A topic as important as this may need a wiki page explaining what is > desired and examples of how to meet the desired result. I believe most > of us want to do the right thing but some need a little additional help. How about we instead talk about it on list as we are now and in the future do the same when we think there's an issue? Creating yet another policy document on the wiki when there already is one (the CLA) that nobody will read anyway (since apparently folks are not reading the CLA :( ) I don't think will solve the issue as well as open, honest, and respectful communication (which I surely hope this thread has turned out to be.) ~m From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Wed Jul 11 06:48:02 2007 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 09:48:02 +0300 Subject: The process is confusing, the red tape frustrating. In-Reply-To: <484ace5d0707100926y95d8c05kbc0be854092c4ec3@mail.gmail.com> References: <484ace5d0707100926y95d8c05kbc0be854092c4ec3@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <46947D22.6020106@nicubunu.ro> John Baer wrote: > On 7/9/07, Mairin Duffy wrote: > > I do not believe the practice of using other's work without citing it, > even if it's scratch work, in a public forum is really acceptable just > out of respect for other artists, you know? Even here when we build on > each other's work I've noticed we've been very good about stating whose > works we built upon. I think it's a good practice even outside of the > fact that the CLA requires it, honestly. > > However, how would you or I know if the artwork is original? Is it safe > to assume it is unless otherwise stated? Yes, lacking a statement the default assumption is that the work is original and owned by the contributor. > I would never blast you the way Nicu blasted me, but I assume the Sorry if I was too strong and offended you. I just know you to certain degree (as well as other contributors here and their work) and I don't know you as a photographer, so I made the assumption those photos are not yours (as opposed of what should be the default assumption in the lack of a statement) > photo's on your submission are yours as you have not made a statement of > attribution. Now is time to offend Mairin :p (my apologies in advance): on top of the fact she already stated the photos are made by her, you can see from the photos that they are not made by someone which has not the first job as a photographer and may use also some post-processing (they are not finished works, but some of them look better than the other). > Do you need to? ;) > > Finally, wouldn't these rules apply to all forms of artwork? Definitely, this should apply to all forms of intellectual creation, not only artwork, it is the same for code. -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From dgeiger_343 at yahoo.com Thu Jul 12 03:11:45 2007 From: dgeiger_343 at yahoo.com (Daniel Geiger) Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 20:11:45 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Nodoka theme engine Message-ID: <103033.97067.qm@web45213.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Hi, I have posted the initial release of the Nodoka theme engine to the Nodoka wiki page, plus the gtkrc using it. Currently the main shifts I have made from the Murrine theme engine are making the scrollbar utilize bg[PRELIGHT] in the absence of scrollbar_color property in engine configuration section, and changing some property defaults to make them more Nodoka-like (eg, menustyle = 0, by default now.) I believe we can make the Nodoka theme engine render quite like the "How we would like it to look" image. I will be exceptionally busy between now and about 20 July, so I will not be able to work on Nodoka theme during that time. Afterwards, however, I should be able to again. ~Daniel --------------------------------- Be a better Globetrotter. Get better travel answers from someone who knows. Yahoo! Answers - Check it out. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I > believe we can make the Nodoka theme engine render quite like the "How > we would like it to look" image. > I will be exceptionally busy between now and about 20 July, so I will > not be able to work on Nodoka theme during that time. Afterwards, > however, I should be able to again. > > ~Daniel > > Hi, thanks for your efforts. The Nodoka engine seems to work good and I see there another step closer to the final look (though there is still a lot of work yet). I'll probably take a look on it as well. As for the menu, I'd like it tab-like (like showed in the wiki page) so maybe adding one option to menustyle to combine those two available (so that the items on menu bar would look like tabs, while the other items will look similar to how they look now) would be good. I'll probably look into it. I packaged the Nodoka gtk engine [1] and updated the Nodoka theme [2] to use it (I used the gtkrc daniel posted). I also brightened a the Metacity theme. Please note that it requires Metacity (because it contains metacity theme), Nodoka gtk Engine (because it uses it) and Echo Icons (because the Main theme uses them as IconTheme since they are targeted to be default in future). If you'd like to test it in Fedora 7, you'll need to install the Echo Icons from development repo (yum --enablerepo=development install echo-icon-theme). It works good, I use them since first rpms were available (it was in FC6 days). I also updated the screenshot on the wiki[3] to the current version. Comments, feedback, patches, etc. are more than welcome. Thanks, Martin PS: If it would work as expected I think it could be ready for official packaging. If you {all} are OK with this I will make an official package request (and probably merge the theme with the engine). I'd like to have it available (optionally) in Test1 or at the latest at Test2. 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For now it's all I am able to do - everything more would need further studying of how it works. So the tab effect on menu is still missing, progressbar background is still without gradient, frames are still old, tabs are without gradient, notebook looks still old, check and radio buttons are still not changed, and shadow isn't still added. I attach the patch I made. Martin -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: nodoka.patch Type: text/x-patch Size: 15429 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From martin.sourada at seznam.cz Thu Jul 12 18:25:46 2007 From: martin.sourada at seznam.cz (Martin Sourada) Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2007 20:25:46 +0200 Subject: [Echo Icons] Mail icon mockup Message-ID: <1184264746.29481.3.camel@pc-notebook> Hi, I made a mail icon mockup. It's available on my wiki[1]. It's based of the original mockups from Diana (only available in png?) and other mail related icons. Although I didn't find it on any wiki page, this icon is IMHO vital, since it's displayed by default on every Fedora desktop. Comments welcome :) Thanks, Martin References: [1] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/MartinSourada -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From luya_tfz at thefinalzone.com Thu Jul 12 21:20:00 2007 From: luya_tfz at thefinalzone.com (Luya Tshimbalanga) Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2007 14:20:00 -0700 Subject: [Echo Icons] Mail icon mockup In-Reply-To: <1184264746.29481.3.camel@pc-notebook> References: <1184264746.29481.3.camel@pc-notebook> Message-ID: <46969B00.8050601@thefinalzone.com> Martin Sourada a ?crit : > Hi, > > I made a mail icon mockup. It's available on my wiki[1]. It's based of > the original mockups from Diana (only available in png?) and other mail > related icons. Although I didn't find it on any wiki page, this icon is > IMHO vital, since it's displayed by default on every Fedora desktop. > > Comments welcome :) > For the 16x16 icons, use #364E59 for the ouline. Luya - currently in Graphic Design class... From martin.sourada at seznam.cz Thu Jul 12 21:28:57 2007 From: martin.sourada at seznam.cz (Martin Sourada) Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2007 23:28:57 +0200 Subject: [Echo Icons] Mail icon mockup In-Reply-To: <46969B00.8050601@thefinalzone.com> References: <1184264746.29481.3.camel@pc-notebook> <46969B00.8050601@thefinalzone.com> Message-ID: <1184275738.29481.7.camel@pc-notebook> On Thu, 2007-07-12 at 23:20 +0200, Luya Tshimbalanga wrote: > For the 16x16 icons, use #364E59 for the ouline. > > > Luya - currently in Graphic Design class... > Ugh, I was too hasty with deriving... Fixed [1]. Thanks, Martin References: [1] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/MartinSourada -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From mclasen at redhat.com Fri Jul 13 05:25:18 2007 From: mclasen at redhat.com (Matthias Clasen) Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2007 01:25:18 -0400 Subject: Nodoka theme engine In-Reply-To: <1184245203.21639.6.camel@pc-notebook> References: <103033.97067.qm@web45213.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> <1184232195.11085.14.camel@pc-notebook> <1184245203.21639.6.camel@pc-notebook> Message-ID: <1184304318.3098.23.camel@localhost.localdomain> I have used your Nodoka rpms for a day now, and have to say that the theme looks pretty reasonable and is nice to use. Of course, there are some smaller and bigger nits to pick, otherwise I wouldn't write this mail... - I strongly believe the blue prelight color for scrollbars is wrong and needs to go. It is just too distracting for a default theme. A lot of people were happy when we dropped it from Clearlooks. - I also think that the blue background on selected radio and check buttons should be reconsidered, for the same reasons. Since they are much smaller than scrollbars and don't change their color from grey to blue on mouseover, the problem is less prominent here, admittedly. - Button prelighting feels a _bit_ too subtle to me, compared to the strong prelighting in toolbars. This can be seen clearly in an application like gcalctool. - The diffent grays in the background of menus vs the rest of the application looks wrong. - Even though using a dedicated theme engine may give you the most freedom to tweak things, but I'd consider carefully if you really want to maintain a forked codebase long-term, if it is just for recolorable scrollbars and some changed defaults. Alternatively, you could try to get whatever you feel is missing folded back into the murrine engine. Matthias From martin.sourada at seznam.cz Fri Jul 13 07:42:04 2007 From: martin.sourada at seznam.cz (Martin Sourada) Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2007 09:42:04 +0200 Subject: Nodoka theme engine In-Reply-To: <1184304318.3098.23.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <103033.97067.qm@web45213.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> <1184232195.11085.14.camel@pc-notebook> <1184245203.21639.6.camel@pc-notebook> <1184304318.3098.23.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1184312524.29481.25.camel@pc-notebook> On Fri, 2007-07-13 at 07:25 +0200, Matthias Clasen wrote: > I have used your Nodoka rpms for a day now, and have to say that the > theme looks pretty reasonable and is nice to use. Of course, there > are some smaller and bigger nits to pick, otherwise I wouldn't write > this mail... > > - I strongly believe the blue prelight color for scrollbars is wrong > and needs to go. It is just too distracting for a default theme. A > lot of people were happy when we dropped it from Clearlooks. > Yes, it bothers me as well - the blinking of blue every time I go with mouse over it is not very good... It will certainly not be in final... > - I also think that the blue background on selected radio and check > buttons should be reconsidered, for the same reasons. Since they > are much smaller than scrollbars and don't change their color from > grey to blue on mouseover, the problem is less prominent here, > admittedly. > Did you look at the fake screenshot on the wiki? We didn't tweaked the radio and checkbuttons yet, so they are murrine default, but want to make them more subtle (perhaps only soft blue outline on mouse-over). > - Button prelighting feels a _bit_ too subtle to me, compared to > the strong prelighting in toolbars. This can be seen clearly > in an application like gcalctool. > Yep, problem of first tries... I consider using soft blue outline for prelight, but if it's too distracting I'll just tweak the current setup. Also I hope to unify the higlights for as many widgets as possible. > - The diffent grays in the background of menus vs the rest of the > application looks wrong. > You don't like the brighter menu? It's thus easier to distinguish it from the rest. It's the same colours as in clearlooks. > - Even though using a dedicated theme engine may give you the > most freedom to tweak things, but I'd consider carefully if > you really want to maintain a forked codebase long-term, if > it is just for recolorable scrollbars and some changed defaults. > Alternatively, you could try to get whatever you feel is missing > folded back into the murrine engine. > It's not only for that. The look is going to be too much different from Murrine so we could not hope that the changes we are going to make would be accepted. Maintaining our own fork seems better for me, as we can react on our (artistic) needs much faster - also we have free hands. Yes, we so far changed only colours and gradients and some defaults, but its only the beginning, I hope to tweak it today a little more to make a more or less final look of the button widget. I will see what I can do... > Matthias > Thanks for your comments, Martin -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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So here is the experiment I sketched: take the "infinite structure" image, strip it of all details and leave only the metaphor and a few gradients of light and shadow, in the spirit of simplicity we talked about in other designs. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/F8Themes/Infinity?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=infinite_structure.png and source: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/F8Themes/Infinity?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=infinite_structure.svg Probably it could get back some more details and shades. -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From martin.sourada at seznam.cz Fri Jul 13 12:51:49 2007 From: martin.sourada at seznam.cz (Martin Sourada) Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2007 14:51:49 +0200 Subject: [Nodoka Theme] Theme merged with Engine, new pkgs available Message-ID: <1184331109.29481.37.camel@pc-notebook> Hi, I merged the Nodoka theme with Nodoka engine [1], so now if you install Nodoka engine, default theme is installed as well. I also packaged this new version as gtk-nodoka-engine rpm [2][3] and fixed all rpmlint warnings. I hope to submit a package request for it soon. I updated the wiki [4] as well. Please bear in mind that this change is more formal, I didn't changed the theme/engine code at all (but I merged the patch I had in the rpm to the sources) so after installation it behaves and looks precisely the same as the previous version. Daniel, if you have time, could you please review the merge? I might have missed something in the new src/Makefile.in... I hope you are OK with the approach I've chosen. Comments, patches, suggestions, etc. are welcome. Thanks, Martin References: [1] http://feannatar.hostuju.cz/fedora/downloads/nodoka/nodoka-0.3.1.tar.gz [2] http://feannatar.hostuju.cz/fedora/files/development/SRPMS/gtk-nodoka-engine-0.3.1-1.fc7.src.rpm [3] http://feannatar.hostuju.cz/fedora/files/development/i386/gtk-nodoka-engine-0.3.1-1.fc7.i386.rpm [4] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/NodokaTheme -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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The look is going to be too much different from > Murrine so we could not hope that the changes we are going to make would > be accepted. Maintaining our own fork seems better for me, as we can > react on our (artistic) needs much faster - also we have free hands. > Yes, we so far changed only colours and gradients and some defaults, but > its only the beginning, I hope to tweak it today a little more to make a > more or less final look of the button widget. I will see what I can > do... Sure, if you are willing to maintain it long-term, that is fine. In that case, we should also get it into rawhide soon, so that we don't have to push it through package review at the last minute after deciding on the artwork. Matthias From martin.sourada at seznam.cz Fri Jul 13 15:38:04 2007 From: martin.sourada at seznam.cz (Martin Sourada) Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2007 17:38:04 +0200 Subject: Nodoka theme engine In-Reply-To: <1184334393.3152.9.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <103033.97067.qm@web45213.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> <1184232195.11085.14.camel@pc-notebook> <1184245203.21639.6.camel@pc-notebook> <1184304318.3098.23.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1184312524.29481.25.camel@pc-notebook> <1184334393.3152.9.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1184341084.3615.5.camel@pc-notebook> On Fri, 2007-07-13 at 15:46 +0200, Matthias Clasen wrote: > Sure, if you are willing to maintain it long-term, that is fine. > In that case, we should also get it into rawhide soon, so that we don't > have to push it through package review at the last minute after deciding > on the artwork. > > Matthias > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list I've submitted a package review for the gtk-nodoka-engine package (includes the engine, the gtk theme, the metacity theme and the metatheme [/usr/share/themes/Nodoka/index.theme]). 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Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From mclasen at redhat.com Fri Jul 13 15:34:48 2007 From: mclasen at redhat.com (Matthias Clasen) Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2007 11:34:48 -0400 Subject: Nodoka theme engine In-Reply-To: <1184341084.3615.5.camel@pc-notebook> References: <103033.97067.qm@web45213.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> <1184232195.11085.14.camel@pc-notebook> <1184245203.21639.6.camel@pc-notebook> <1184304318.3098.23.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1184312524.29481.25.camel@pc-notebook> <1184334393.3152.9.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1184341084.3615.5.camel@pc-notebook> Message-ID: <1184340888.3152.18.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Fri, 2007-07-13 at 17:38 +0200, Martin Sourada wrote: > I've submitted a package review for the gtk-nodoka-engine package > (includes the engine, the gtk theme, the metacity theme and the > metatheme [/usr/share/themes/Nodoka/index.theme]). CC-ing maintainers > list. Gah, I should have mentioned before; here is the usual split for packaging themes: - engine goes in a separate package, together with the default theme for that engine - the metacity and metatheme go in another package, I don't care too much if you split that up further Ray is supposed to write an email about the artwork repackaging he has been doing on redhat-artwork recently, I don't know if he ended up doing separate packages for metacity themes. In any case, I'll poke Ray to send that mail, and then it would be good to follow the same pattern. Splitting the engine part off is important, because the rest can be noarch (and is often large, think icon themes) Matthias From martin.sourada at seznam.cz Fri Jul 13 15:49:03 2007 From: martin.sourada at seznam.cz (Martin Sourada) Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2007 17:49:03 +0200 Subject: Nodoka theme engine In-Reply-To: <1184340888.3152.18.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <103033.97067.qm@web45213.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> <1184232195.11085.14.camel@pc-notebook> <1184245203.21639.6.camel@pc-notebook> <1184304318.3098.23.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1184312524.29481.25.camel@pc-notebook> <1184334393.3152.9.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1184341084.3615.5.camel@pc-notebook> <1184340888.3152.18.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1184341743.3615.8.camel@pc-notebook> On Fri, 2007-07-13 at 17:34 +0200, Matthias Clasen wrote: > Gah, I should have mentioned before; here is the usual split for > packaging themes: > > - engine goes in a separate package, together with the default theme > for that engine > > - the metacity and metatheme go in another package, I don't care > too much if you split that up further > > Ray is supposed to write an email about the artwork repackaging he has > been doing on redhat-artwork recently, I don't know if he ended up doing > separate packages for metacity themes. In any case, I'll poke Ray to > send that mail, and then it would be good to follow the same pattern. > > Splitting the engine part off is important, because the rest can be > noarch (and is often large, think icon themes) > > > Matthias > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list Hm... I see the point... I wonder, if I split the metacity and metatheme into subpackages, can the engine package be arch specific, and subpackages noarch? -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From martin.sourada at seznam.cz Fri Jul 13 19:01:02 2007 From: martin.sourada at seznam.cz (Martin Sourada) Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2007 21:01:02 +0200 Subject: Nodoka theme engine In-Reply-To: <1184341743.3615.8.camel@pc-notebook> References: <103033.97067.qm@web45213.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> <1184232195.11085.14.camel@pc-notebook> <1184245203.21639.6.camel@pc-notebook> <1184304318.3098.23.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1184312524.29481.25.camel@pc-notebook> <1184334393.3152.9.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1184341084.3615.5.camel@pc-notebook> <1184340888.3152.18.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1184341743.3615.8.camel@pc-notebook> Message-ID: <1184353262.3615.22.camel@pc-notebook> On Fri, 2007-07-13 at 17:49 +0200, Martin Sourada wrote: > Hm... I see the point... I wonder, if I split the metacity and metatheme > into subpackages, can the engine package be arch specific, and > subpackages noarch? > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list Ok, I prepared new packages and put them on the wiki [1]. For submission to the Package Review I will wait for your consideration. So, the changes to the upstream are that I splitted the package in two: the first contains gtk engine and theme, the second one contains metacity theme and metatheme. So I made one archspecific rpm containing the content of the first package and two noarch rpms containing the second package - one for metacity and one for the metatheme. The metacity theme package is subpackage of the metatheme package. I decided to rename the upstream packages to gtk-nodoka-engine-%{version} and nodoka-theme-gnome-%{version}. For rpms the names are same and the metacity theme package is named nodoka-metacity-theme (same scheme as in echo-icon-theme). I didn't bothered much this time with obsoletes/provides (and will drop the older ones in future as well) to keep the spec files as clean as possible. So if you want to update, I recommend to reinstall the packages rather than update them (however if you update/install them all at once it will work). If you are OK with these changes I will submit the new version on the package review and make new package review for the second one. Thanks, Martin References: [1] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/NodokaTheme -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From luya_tfz at thefinalzone.com Fri Jul 13 21:19:18 2007 From: luya_tfz at thefinalzone.com (Luya Tshimbalanga) Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2007 14:19:18 -0700 Subject: [Nodoka Theme] Theme merged with Engine, new pkgs available In-Reply-To: <1184331109.29481.37.camel@pc-notebook> References: <1184331109.29481.37.camel@pc-notebook> Message-ID: <4697EC56.9040307@thefinalzone.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 I have built a x86-64 version for *gtk-nodoka-engine. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/NodokaTheme?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=gtk-nodoka-engine-0.3.1.1-1.fc7.x86_64.rpm* -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFGl+xVa10Jb0NOz+ERAs5UAJ4jZDjej0CoCPMhrYqdSOla6EP20ACdETxr 9gmaQL659TVVtmeibojvUT8= =XaWM -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From jonathan.roberts.uk at googlemail.com Sat Jul 14 11:09:22 2007 From: jonathan.roberts.uk at googlemail.com (Jonathan Roberts) Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2007 12:09:22 +0100 Subject: Nodoka theme engine Message-ID: <3263b11b0707140409m40f08fcap8a3f185fb26b7cee@mail.gmail.com> Hi, I've been following the list for a while now (write the FWN report for it) and just wanted to drop a quick message and say I think you're all doing great work :D I've also installed and been using Nodoka for a while now and really like it. I have one request/suggestion, though I'm not sure what people think of it (I have very little artistic talent :p), but I thought I'd let you know about it anyway... Any chance it could be less grey? i.e. the window backgrounds etc? Just personal taste, but I think it might look sharper and more complete. Anyway, keep it up! Best wishes, Jon From martin.sourada at seznam.cz Sat Jul 14 11:21:35 2007 From: martin.sourada at seznam.cz (Martin Sourada) Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2007 13:21:35 +0200 Subject: Nodoka theme engine In-Reply-To: <3263b11b0707140409m40f08fcap8a3f185fb26b7cee@mail.gmail.com> References: <3263b11b0707140409m40f08fcap8a3f185fb26b7cee@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1184412095.3615.36.camel@pc-notebook> On Sat, 2007-07-14 at 13:09 +0200, Jonathan Roberts wrote: > Hi, > Hi, > I've been following the list for a while now (write the FWN report for > it) and just wanted to drop a quick message and say I think you're all > doing great work :D > > I've also installed and been using Nodoka for a while now and really > like it. I have one request/suggestion, though I'm not sure what > people think of it (I have very little artistic talent :p), but I > thought I'd let you know about it anyway... > > Any chance it could be less grey? i.e. the window backgrounds etc? > Just personal taste, but I think it might look sharper and more > complete. > There is always a chance ;-) I personally like grey borders for inactive windows as grey colour seems to symbolise the state quite good, but if there is more people who think otherwise (and you're actually not the first person mentioning the grey borders) we can change it. As for the completeness... it's still work in progress, and once the engine will be complete, more attention to colours will be certainly paid - currently we've done something that use very similar colour scheme to Clearlooks (only the blue stuff is more saturated) but in future there most probably will be some adjustments... > Anyway, keep it up! > > Best wishes, > > Jon > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list Thanks for your comments, Martin -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Thoughts? -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From luya_tfz at thefinalzone.com Mon Jul 16 08:02:16 2007 From: luya_tfz at thefinalzone.com (Luya Tshimbalanga) Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2007 04:02:16 -0400 Subject: F8 theme: Fire Work and Light Show by Jiri In-Reply-To: <469B1B9E.9070203@nicubunu.ro> References: <469B1B9E.9070203@nicubunu.ro> Message-ID: <1184572936.469b2608a95e9@ssl.mecca.ca> Quoting Nicu Buculei : > Jiri posted over this week-end a new theme proposal for F8 named Fire > Work and Light Show - > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/F8Themes/FireWork > > However, the submission was made after 11 July, the deadline for Round > 1. I am not in the position to make a decision, so I post on the list, > outlining the two choices we have: > - we had no clear start for Round 2, with feed-back and modifications of > the original designs, so we may consider this proposal "in"; > - we enforce the deadline, the concept is interesting, but it can wait > for the next release, this cycle is a short one anyway. > > Thoughts? That theme came too late and should be hold for Fedora 9. It is better to avoid another debacle that happened on Fedora 7 development of artwork. It is up to Mairin . -- Luya Tshimbalanga Fedora Project contributor http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/LuyaTshimbalanga From zytemp at zianet.com Mon Jul 16 10:56:45 2007 From: zytemp at zianet.com (Danial) Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2007 04:56:45 -0600 Subject: F8 theme: Fire Work and Light Show by Jiri In-Reply-To: <1184572936.469b2608a95e9@ssl.mecca.ca> References: <469B1B9E.9070203@nicubunu.ro> <1184572936.469b2608a95e9@ssl.mecca.ca> Message-ID: <469B4EED.4020303@zianet.com> Luya Tshimbalanga wrote: > > > That theme came too late and should be hold for Fedora 9. It is better to avoid > another debacle that happened on Fedora 7 development of artwork. It is up to > Mairin . > > > Indeed. My own submissions were stopped by errors in the wiki/license agreement registration process a single day before deadline. At Rahul's suggestion, both the wiki admin and Mairin were sent emails regarding the problem. To date, neither have replied. I therefore assumed the process was closed. After deadline I quit pursuing the issue. Perhaps that was an error? Dan From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Mon Jul 16 11:47:24 2007 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2007 14:47:24 +0300 Subject: F8 theme: Fire Work and Light Show by Jiri In-Reply-To: <469B4EED.4020303@zianet.com> References: <469B1B9E.9070203@nicubunu.ro> <1184572936.469b2608a95e9@ssl.mecca.ca> <469B4EED.4020303@zianet.com> Message-ID: <469B5ACC.8050707@nicubunu.ro> Danial wrote: > > Indeed. My own submissions were stopped by errors in the wiki/license > agreement registration process a single day before deadline. At > Rahul's suggestion, both the wiki admin and Mairin were sent emails > regarding the problem. To date, neither have replied. I therefore > assumed the process was closed. After deadline I quit pursuing the > issue. Perhaps that was an error? I think Mairin was/is busy with the Red Hat High Camp and was not available to reply in time. This is why I brought the issue to the list, to defer the submission as a consensus of the team. [1] - http://www.redhatmagazine.com/2007/07/13/red-hat-high-update/ -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From jjmasek at gmail.com Mon Jul 16 12:03:33 2007 From: jjmasek at gmail.com (Jiri Jakub Masek) Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2007 14:03:33 +0200 Subject: F8 theme: Fire Work and Light Show by Jiri In-Reply-To: <469B5ACC.8050707@nicubunu.ro> References: <469B1B9E.9070203@nicubunu.ro> <1184572936.469b2608a95e9@ssl.mecca.ca> <469B4EED.4020303@zianet.com> <469B5ACC.8050707@nicubunu.ro> Message-ID: Hi all, I know that my submission came late, so, I'm ready to move it to *ExperimentalDesigns* ... JJM 2007/7/16, Nicu Buculei : > > Danial wrote: > > > > Indeed. My own submissions were stopped by errors in the wiki/license > > agreement registration process a single day before deadline. At > > Rahul's suggestion, both the wiki admin and Mairin were sent emails > > regarding the problem. To date, neither have replied. I therefore > > assumed the process was closed. After deadline I quit pursuing the > > issue. Perhaps that was an error? > > I think Mairin was/is busy with the Red Hat High Camp and was not > available to reply in time. > This is why I brought the issue to the list, to defer the submission as > a consensus of the team. > > [1] - http://www.redhatmagazine.com/2007/07/13/red-hat-high-update/ > -- > nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com > Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ > Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org > my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list > -- I'm still learning English... Ji?? Jakub Ma?ek - Mr Jiri Jakub Masek Czech Republic, European Union http://jjm.xf.cz -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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So I updated most of the widgets to the new styling. They should be now able to render with nodoka styling and murrine styling (depending on chosen style). I also added shadows to button, editbox and derived component. Another notable change is added deepness to progressbar. Also, I reworked the radio button and the check button. Those were changes mostly to the engine. As for the Nodoka gtk theme I changed the colouring of the scroll bar and got rid of the blue on prelight... RPM for i386 [2] and SRPM [3] available. I updated the Nodoka wiki [4] download section and replaced the screenshot with an actual one. Comments, patches, feedback, etc. welcome :) Thanks, Martin -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I made a new > function for setting gradient and the old forwarded through this one > with parameters that use murrine engine. Nodoka styling uses different > parameters... So I updated most of the widgets to the new styling. They > should be now able to render with nodoka styling and murrine styling > (depending on chosen style). I also added shadows to button, editbox and > derived component. Another notable change is added deepness to > progressbar. Also, I reworked the radio button and the check button. > > Those were changes mostly to the engine. As for the Nodoka gtk theme I > changed the colouring of the scroll bar and got rid of the blue on > prelight... > > RPM for i386 [2] and SRPM [3] available. > > I updated the Nodoka wiki [4] download section and replaced the > screenshot with an actual one. > > Comments, patches, feedback, etc. welcome :) > > Thanks, > Martin > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list Oops, sorry I forgot to add the references: [1] http://feannatar.hostuju.cz/fedora/downloads/nodoka/gtk-nodoka-engine-0.3.2.1.tar.gz [2] http://feannatar.hostuju.cz/fedora/files/development/i386/gtk-nodoka-engine-0.3.2.1-1.fc7.i386.rpm [3] http://feannatar.hostuju.cz/fedora/files/development/SRPMS/gtk-nodoka-engine-0.3.2.1-1.fc7.src.rpm [4] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/NodokaTheme -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I made a new > function for setting gradient and the old forwarded through this one > with parameters that use murrine engine. Nodoka styling uses different > parameters... So I updated most of the widgets to the new styling. They > should be now able to render with nodoka styling and murrine styling > (depending on chosen style). I also added shadows to button, editbox and > derived component. Another notable change is added deepness to > progressbar. Also, I reworked the radio button and the check button. > > Those were changes mostly to the engine. As for the Nodoka gtk theme I > changed the colouring of the scroll bar and got rid of the blue on > prelight... > You might want to follow the new feature process to get this into the Fedora 8 feature list. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/Policy I am running the new theme as default in Fedora 7 now. Will provide more feedback late.r Rahul From duffy at redhat.com Mon Jul 16 17:21:18 2007 From: duffy at redhat.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?M=E1ir=ED=ADn_Duffy?=) Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2007 13:21:18 -0400 Subject: F8 theme: Fire Work and Light Show by Jiri In-Reply-To: <469B4EED.4020303@zianet.com> References: <469B1B9E.9070203@nicubunu.ro> <1184572936.469b2608a95e9@ssl.mecca.ca> <469B4EED.4020303@zianet.com> Message-ID: <469BA90E.6040002@redhat.com> Hi Danial, Danial wrote: > Indeed. My own submissions were stopped by errors in the wiki/license > agreement registration process a single day before deadline. At > Rahul's suggestion, both the wiki admin and Mairin were sent emails > regarding the problem. To date, neither have replied. I therefore > assumed the process was closed. After deadline I quit pursuing the > issue. Perhaps that was an error? I've been out of town for over a week to teach a course in Inkscape at Red Hat High. I am now at home for a few hours before flying out to the UK for GUADEC. So I apologize if I haven't been particularly responsive on-list or via private email lately. That being said, I have been checking my email, and I can find no such email in my inbox as I search right now. I have an email from you on 2 July but I'm guessing what I'm looking for was sent 10 July? Can you give me the subject line or some other clue to find it? ~m From zytemp at zianet.com Mon Jul 16 19:59:46 2007 From: zytemp at zianet.com (Danial) Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2007 13:59:46 -0600 Subject: F8 theme: Fire Work and Light Show by Jiri In-Reply-To: <469BA90E.6040002@redhat.com> References: <469B1B9E.9070203@nicubunu.ro> <1184572936.469b2608a95e9@ssl.mecca.ca> <469B4EED.4020303@zianet.com> <469BA90E.6040002@redhat.com> Message-ID: <469BCE32.3050901@zianet.com> M?ir??n Duffy wrote: > Hi Danial, > > Danial wrote: >> Indeed. My own submissions were stopped by errors in the >> wiki/license agreement registration process a single day before >> deadline. At Rahul's suggestion, both the wiki admin and Mairin >> were sent emails regarding the problem. To date, neither have >> replied. I therefore assumed the process was closed. After >> deadline I quit pursuing the issue. Perhaps that was an error? > > I've been out of town for over a week to teach a course in Inkscape at > Red Hat High. I am now at home for a few hours before flying out to > the UK for GUADEC. So I apologize if I haven't been particularly > responsive on-list or via private email lately. > > That being said, I have been checking my email, and I can find no such > email in my inbox as I search right now. I have an email from you on 2 > July but I'm guessing what I'm looking for was sent 10 July? > > Can you give me the subject line or some other clue to find it? > > ~m > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list > > Hmmm. OK, I'm beginning to wonder if I have some email issues on this end. All of the emails I sent went out on the 9th. Subject line was: "Re: Fedora Individual Contributor License Agreement" Addresses were the same as the one I used for you on the 2nd, and accounts at fedoraproject.org. I know Rahul's was a good address, and it went out, as I got an immediate reply. BTW, the failure notice (CLA submission) was immediate too. Hope the Inkscape course was a roaring success. Sure wish I could have taken it! Thanks, Dan From martin.sourada at seznam.cz Tue Jul 17 09:19:52 2007 From: martin.sourada at seznam.cz (Martin Sourada) Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2007 11:19:52 +0200 Subject: [New Feature Proposition]: Nodoka Theme Message-ID: <1184663992.21133.15.camel@pc-notebook> Hi, following advice from Rahul [1] I propose a new Feature for Fedora 8 - Nodoka Theme. The Nodoka theme is currently targeted on Gnome and contains metacity theme, gtk engine, gtk theme and gnome metatheme. It is supposed to work with echo-icon-theme therefore the metatheme package requires echo icons as well. I've submitted review requests for inclusion in rawhide [2][3] and created a feature wiki page [4]. If you'd like to test it, rpms for i386 (and older ones for x86_64) and noarch are available on the NodokaTheme wiki [5]. Also I'd like to ask for hosting the sources on fedorahosted. Could someone point me as to how/where can I ask for it? Comments, feedback, patches, etc. welcome. Thanks, Martin [1] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-art-list/2007-July/msg00120.html [2] https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=248163 [3] https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=248516 [4] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/Features/NodokaTheme [5] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/NodokaTheme -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From drago01 at gmail.com Tue Jul 17 11:01:44 2007 From: drago01 at gmail.com (dragoran) Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2007 13:01:44 +0200 Subject: [New Feature Proposition]: Nodoka Theme In-Reply-To: <1184663992.21133.15.camel@pc-notebook> References: <1184663992.21133.15.camel@pc-notebook> Message-ID: <469CA198.8060401@gmail.com> Martin Sourada wrote: > Hi, > > following advice from Rahul [1] I propose a new Feature for Fedora 8 - > Nodoka Theme. The Nodoka theme is currently targeted on Gnome and > contains metacity theme, gtk engine, gtk theme and gnome metatheme. It > is supposed to work with echo-icon-theme therefore the metatheme package > requires echo icons as well. I've submitted review requests for > inclusion in rawhide [2][3] and created a feature wiki page [4]. > > If you'd like to test it, rpms for i386 (and older ones for x86_64) and > noarch are available on the NodokaTheme wiki [5]. > > Also I'd like to ask for hosting the sources on fedorahosted. Could > someone point me as to how/where can I ask for it? > > Comments, feedback, patches, etc. welcome. > is this a gtk2 only theme or does it work for gtk apps too? From martin.sourada at seznam.cz Tue Jul 17 12:56:11 2007 From: martin.sourada at seznam.cz (Martin Sourada) Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2007 14:56:11 +0200 Subject: [New Feature Proposition]: Nodoka Theme In-Reply-To: <469CA198.8060401@gmail.com> References: <1184663992.21133.15.camel@pc-notebook> <469CA198.8060401@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1184676971.21133.20.camel@pc-notebook> On Tue, 2007-07-17 at 13:01 +0200, dragoran wrote: > is this a gtk2 only theme or does it work for gtk apps too? > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list GTK2 and Metacity. GTK1 theme is neither included nor planned. There are still gtk1 apps out there? :-O AFAIK, the current default, Clearlooks, don't support it either... -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Bright color elements are distracting to me. -- Matthew Miller mattdm at mattdm.org Boston University Linux ------> From drago01 at gmail.com Tue Jul 17 14:39:56 2007 From: drago01 at gmail.com (dragoran) Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2007 16:39:56 +0200 Subject: [New Feature Proposition]: Nodoka Theme In-Reply-To: <1184676971.21133.20.camel@pc-notebook> References: <1184663992.21133.15.camel@pc-notebook> <469CA198.8060401@gmail.com> <1184676971.21133.20.camel@pc-notebook> Message-ID: On 7/17/07, Martin Sourada wrote: > > On Tue, 2007-07-17 at 13:01 +0200, dragoran wrote: > > is this a gtk2 only theme or does it work for gtk apps too? > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Fedora-art-list mailing list > > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list > > GTK2 and Metacity. GTK1 theme is neither included nor planned. There are > still gtk1 apps out there? :-O AFAIK, the current default, Clearlooks, > don't support it either... 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It > is supposed to work with echo-icon-theme therefore the metatheme package > requires echo icons as well. I've submitted review requests for > inclusion in rawhide [2][3] and created a feature wiki page [4]. > > If you'd like to test it, rpms for i386 (and older ones for x86_64) and > noarch are available on the NodokaTheme wiki [5]. > > Also I'd like to ask for hosting the sources on fedorahosted. Could > someone point me as to how/where can I ask for it? Got to ask in fedora-infrastructure list. Rahul From neugens at limasoftware.net Tue Jul 17 17:41:26 2007 From: neugens at limasoftware.net (Mario Torre) Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2007 19:41:26 +0200 Subject: [New Feature Proposition]: Nodoka Theme In-Reply-To: <1184686335.21133.24.camel@pc-notebook> References: <1184663992.21133.15.camel@pc-notebook> <20070717143022.GA16499@jadzia.bu.edu> <1184686335.21133.24.camel@pc-notebook> Message-ID: <1184694086.3467.6.camel@nirvana.limasoftware.net> Il giorno mar, 17/07/2007 alle 17.32 +0200, Martin Sourada ha scritto: > It should be easy to tweak this to your liking. The metacity theme uses > gtk colours and you can customise these on the Theme Details -> Colours > page. Hi! I would suggest to keep the tab colors as they are in clearlooks (not the whole tabs appearance, the shadows is nice, but just the gradient color, as opposed to the current one line stroke on the top), as it is distracting. I'm referring to the this mockup http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/NodokaTheme "How we would like it to look". Ciao, Mario -- Lima Software - http://www.limasoftware.net/ GNU Classpath Developer - http://www.classpath.org/ Fedora Ambassador - http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/MarioTorre Jabber: neugens at jabber.org pgp key: http://subkeys.pgp.net/ PGP Key ID: 80F240CF Fingerprint: BA39 9666 94EC 8B73 27FA FC7C 4086 63E3 80F2 40CF Please, support open standards: http://opendocumentfellowship.org/petition/ http://www.nosoftwarepatents.com/ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Take the oceans for example, you can be more selective about the details such as the people sitting on the cliff edge or birds in the distance - it might be difficult to photo these. I do think, however, for imagery with is quite strong (the tall trees or railings) a photo can look moe striking as you then have the texture of not only the material but the paintwork too. I enjoy photography as a hobby and a chunk of my shots have strong subejct & perspective combinations so I'd love to help if this is chosen as the final theme... and, of couse, if this will be photos or CGIs... My 2 pence. ./b -- ..// seawolf //.. Ben Arnold e-mail / msn / icq / yahoo iamseawolf (at) gmail (dot) com http://clik.to/seawolfsanctuary fedora core : artwork GnuPG Available - ask me! From ben.arnold.inbox at gmail.com Wed Jul 18 20:35:07 2007 From: ben.arnold.inbox at gmail.com (Ben Arnold) Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2007 21:35:07 +0100 Subject: [F8 Theme Proposal] Floating Cubes In-Reply-To: <6e24a8e80707090612i66edfe09o4f764a7d0d13c5ca@mail.gmail.com> References: <1183975328.2945.131.camel@pc-notebook> <6e24a8e80707090612i66edfe09o4f764a7d0d13c5ca@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <9c3bfa1d0707181335p3ae32c56gbf6c223aa14534b4@mail.gmail.com> While I agree the idea as it stands is too complex. Perhaps one development you could try is to have a few cubes with a glowing around them, floating in the air, maybe fly-like trails - fairly fantastical look to it. I think it might be a bit more palatable than the techie math but could be linked to another mathematical This is very close to a video my friend made during our college course together which I shall try to get hold of soon to show what I mean. ./b > 2007/7/9, Martin Sourada : > > Hi, > > > > I am studying Linear Algebra ATM and some kind of displaying math seems > > to be interesting. The idea which hit me is a projection of N > > dimensional cubes on a plane. It's nice, but too complex for a theme > > IMHO, but if you highlight some 3D cubes trapped inside you get > > something that looks like floating cubes. So I therefore propose a new > > theme called Floating Cubes. One of the advantages of this theme is that > > you can create infinite amount of modifications (i.e. you can start with > > 15D cube, or 21D cube, or 7D cube, you can highlight different 3D cubes, > > you can highlight them differently, etc.) while keeping the overal look > > the same. It's also quite easy to draw an N dimensional cube using this > > kind of projection... > > > > Martin > > > > References: > > [1] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/F8Themes/FloatingCubes On 09/07/07, Mark wrote: > i think that would look good with a technical touch.. -- ..// seawolf //.. Ben Arnold e-mail / msn / icq / yahoo iamseawolf (at) gmail (dot) com http://clik.to/seawolfsanctuary fedora core : artwork GnuPG Available - ask me! From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Thu Jul 19 06:03:35 2007 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2007 09:03:35 +0300 Subject: Update moon & cube theme In-Reply-To: <469E71E1.2000204@gmail.com> References: <469E71E1.2000204@gmail.com> Message-ID: <469EFEB7.1070809@nicubunu.ro> Mola Pahnadayan wrote: > Moon : > > Add background : /http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/F8theme-moon I like this better than the initial image, it introduce new elements (the tree, the fence) and it avoid the "water-reflection" clich?. I am sure some will complain about its darkness, but I like darkness, and maybe we will have a simpler and lighter alternative right along. A couple of suggestions for improvement: - the white pixels on the background are stars? If so, there are too many of them (and should not be seen over the moon). If they are rain, they are too round and don't look like rain. They look to me much like snow, which foes not fit the rest of the image at all; - the white fedora logo over the black ground provide a very strong contrast, how about dropping the logo? ar at least de-emphasize it *a lot* (do it as a translucent watermark?) > Cubes : > > Add background : > /http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/F8Themes/FloatingCubes/ Wow! This is a completely different take! Unfortunately, I don't think it is good as a default wallpaper, it too contrasting, the big white 8 over the dark background will distract your attention. I like very muck your cubes and their transparency. But overall, I'm inclined more towards Martin's initial take, which is much softer. On a sideline: - IIRC, we don't want release numbers inside the artwork, that would be locking and would not make sense for someone to use the picture in a future release even if he like the graphics; - this is obvious and I think you already know you used a wrong font -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From nicolas.mailhot at laposte.net.redhat.com Thu Jul 19 07:51:27 2007 From: nicolas.mailhot at laposte.net.redhat.com (Nicolas Mailhot) Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2007 09:51:27 +0200 (CEST) Subject: Update moon & cube theme In-Reply-To: <469EFEB7.1070809@nicubunu.ro> References: <469E71E1.2000204@gmail.com> <469EFEB7.1070809@nicubunu.ro> Message-ID: <10346.192.54.193.51.1184831487.squirrel@rousalka.dyndns.org> Le Jeu 19 juillet 2007 08:03, Nicu Buculei a ?crit : > Mola Pahnadayan wrote: >> Moon : >> >> Add background : /http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/F8theme-moon > > I like this better than the initial image, it introduce new elements > (the tree, the fence) and it avoid the "water-reflection" clich?. I don't like the fence much, it has negative connotations, I'd rather have something like an animal there -- Nicolas Mailhot From martin.sourada at seznam.cz Thu Jul 19 15:32:54 2007 From: martin.sourada at seznam.cz (Martin Sourada) Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2007 17:32:54 +0200 Subject: [Fedora Mascot] What's the current status? Message-ID: <1184859174.8695.27.camel@pc-notebook> Hi, I see the Mascot page [1] is little outdated - Last edit in the April... Was actually any Mascot selected for promoting Fedora or the development died out? I'm just pinging how's it going, as I am not quite sure about the status. Also I'd like to add my two cents as to which I would like to see as our mascot. I really like the parrot (try 6)[2]. I somehow feel the fedora in him... I would pick the one without T-shirt (or maybe with the t-shirt but without the fedora logo). Also the aliens [3] from try 4 are also very nice and representative, IMHO. Martin [1] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/Mascot [2] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/Mascot?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=arara3_n.png [3] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/Mascot?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=yet_more_aliens_m.png -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From luya_tfz at thefinalzone.com Thu Jul 19 17:19:41 2007 From: luya_tfz at thefinalzone.com (Luya Tshimbalanga) Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2007 10:19:41 -0700 Subject: [Fedora Mascot] What's the current status? In-Reply-To: <1184859174.8695.27.camel@pc-notebook> References: <1184859174.8695.27.camel@pc-notebook> Message-ID: <469F9D2D.2060700@thefinalzone.com> Martin Sourada a ?crit : > Hi, > > I see the Mascot page [1] is little outdated - Last edit in the April... > Was actually any Mascot selected for promoting Fedora or the development > died out? I'm just pinging how's it going, as I am not quite sure about > the status. > > Idle status at the moment. Given the time constraint for Fedora 8. having mascot is not really a high priority. Luya From poelstra at redhat.com Thu Jul 19 23:38:40 2007 From: poelstra at redhat.com (John Poelstra) Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2007 16:38:40 -0700 Subject: NodokaTheme in F8 Message-ID: <469FF600.4020605@redhat.com> Hi, I took an action item at the FESCo meeting today to check with the Art team to make sure this feature compliments the work you have going on for F8 http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/Features/NodokaTheme If there are any strong reasons why this feature should not be approved for F8, please add comments to the bottom of http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/Features/NodokaTheme by 2007-07-23. Thank you, John From joel at intrax.com Thu Jul 19 22:36:02 2007 From: joel at intrax.com (Joel McClung) Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2007 18:36:02 -0400 Subject: Fedora 7 Lightscribe CD Artwork Message-ID: Would you consider adding a PNG and SVG file of the Fedora 7 DVD/CD labels suitable for a LightScribe device? The existing images do not print well on a Lightscribe disk because of the blue background. I have attached a copy of the file I used when I created my F7 disk image. I took the existing files from the web site, converted it to black-and-white and then inverted the color of the text/images and removed the background color. The resulting image looks much nicer on LightScribe media. Thank you for your consideration. Joel McClung -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Maybe I'll blog about it later today... > Idle status at the moment. Given the time constraint for Fedora 8. > having mascot is not really a high priority. But the mascot is not tied with the release in any way, the graphics is not planned to be included in the downloadable bits, so we can release it when is ready. Alignment of some kind with the release schedule may be nice just from a marketing point of view, a publicity stunt. -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From tchung at fedoraproject.org Fri Jul 20 06:26:32 2007 From: tchung at fedoraproject.org (Thomas Chung) Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2007 23:26:32 -0700 Subject: Fedora 7 Lightscribe CD Artwork In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <369bce3b0707192326o383d9d70j455843ccfe546761@mail.gmail.com> On 7/19/07, Joel McClung wrote: > Would you consider adding a PNG and SVG file of the Fedora 7 DVD/CD > labels suitable for a LightScribe device? > > The existing images do not print well on a Lightscribe disk because > of the blue background. > > I have attached a copy of the file I used when I created my F7 disk > image. I took the existing files from the web site, converted it to > black-and-white and then inverted the color of the text/images and > removed the background color. > > The resulting image looks much nicer on LightScribe media. > > Thank you for your consideration. > > Joel McClung Thank you Joel, I'll post the CDArt wiki page. Regards, -- Thomas Chung http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ThomasChung From dgeiger_343 at yahoo.com Fri Jul 20 22:53:34 2007 From: dgeiger_343 at yahoo.com (Daniel Geiger) Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2007 15:53:34 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Nodoka theme engine In-Reply-To: <469B8200.6040501@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <69686.70269.qm@web45210.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Hi, I would agree with the statement preferring not to have gray inactive window borders; my personal preference is something utilizing bg[NORMAL] -- I think that's also what the current Clearlooks metacity does. With the gtk engine, I think I'll try to remove glazestyles -- Nodoka doesn't use them, and the engine would probably be a lot faster without them. I'll also see if I can add shadows to the currently non-shadowed widgets. Rahul Sundaram wrote: Martin Sourada wrote: > Hi, > > I released new version of the Nodoka gtk {engine;theme}[1]. I made a new > function for setting gradient and the old forwarded through this one > with parameters that use murrine engine. Nodoka styling uses different > parameters... So I updated most of the widgets to the new styling. They > should be now able to render with nodoka styling and murrine styling > (depending on chosen style). I also added shadows to button, editbox and > derived component. Another notable change is added deepness to > progressbar. Also, I reworked the radio button and the check button. > > Those were changes mostly to the engine. As for the Nodoka gtk theme I > changed the colouring of the scroll bar and got rid of the blue on > prelight... > You might want to follow the new feature process to get this into the Fedora 8 feature list. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/Policy I am running the new theme as default in Fedora 7 now. Will provide more feedback late.r Rahul _______________________________________________ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list at redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list --------------------------------- Fussy? Opinionated? Impossible to please? Perfect. Join Yahoo!'s user panel and lay it on us. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From martin.sourada at seznam.cz Sat Jul 21 22:04:15 2007 From: martin.sourada at seznam.cz (Martin Sourada) Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2007 00:04:15 +0200 Subject: Vacation Message-ID: <1185055455.8695.40.camel@pc-notebook> Hi, I am going on a vacation for a week. I'll return at next Sunday or sooner. I'll have no internet access there. I maintain gxine a xine-plugin packages, both without ACL, so if any problem arise, feel free to fix it. As for the Nodoka theme[1], Daniel Geiger wrote he's going to do some work on it; and I have submitted two package reviews [2][3] for that, so if there is someone interested in reviewing them I'll reply to your questions as soon as I'm back. Thanks, Martin References: [1] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/Features/NodokaTheme [2] https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=248163 [3] https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=248516 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From luya_tfz at thefinalzone.com Sun Jul 22 06:27:14 2007 From: luya_tfz at thefinalzone.com (Luya Tshimbalanga) Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2007 02:27:14 -0400 Subject: Moving Echo icons to a better host? Message-ID: <1185085634.46a2f8c2ce852@ssl.mecca.ca> Hello, I managed to get a few break being recently with Graphics Design classes. Echo icons are currently located on fedoraproject.org wiki. Unfortunately, the wiki is not a good place to upload a large amount of icons because of its slow speed. I am considering to move Echo icons to a host like hosted.fedoraproject.org or better to ease the process of uploading icons. hosted.fedoraproject.org seems to be a viable choice but it will require change for the tools created by J5, echo-pull. Since the host using https protocol, I am sure if echo-pull script will work. However, the advantage of hosted.fedoraproject.org is a faster way to upload icons via git. Any comment? -- Luya Tshimbalanga Fedora Project contributor http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/LuyaTshimbalanga From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Sun Jul 22 06:51:54 2007 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2007 12:21:54 +0530 Subject: Moving Echo icons to a better host? In-Reply-To: <1185085634.46a2f8c2ce852@ssl.mecca.ca> References: <1185085634.46a2f8c2ce852@ssl.mecca.ca> Message-ID: <46A2FE8A.5090809@fedoraproject.org> Luya Tshimbalanga wrote: > Hello, > > I managed to get a few break being recently with Graphics Design classes. Echo > icons are currently located on fedoraproject.org wiki. Unfortunately, the wiki > is not a good place to upload a large amount of icons because of its slow > speed. I am considering to move Echo icons to a host like > hosted.fedoraproject.org or better to ease the process of uploading icons. > > hosted.fedoraproject.org seems to be a viable choice but it will require change > for the tools created by J5, echo-pull. Since the host using https protocol, I > am sure if echo-pull script will work. However, the advantage of > hosted.fedoraproject.org is a faster way to upload icons via git. Any comment? Yes. IMO hosted is a much better place for the icons. Rahul From luya at fedoraproject.org Sun Jul 22 17:38:15 2007 From: luya at fedoraproject.org (Luya Tshimbalanga) Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2007 10:38:15 -0700 Subject: Moving Echo icons to a better host? hosted.fedoraproject.org? In-Reply-To: <46A2FE8A.5090809@fedoraproject.org> References: <1185085634.46a2f8c2ce852@ssl.mecca.ca> <46A2FE8A.5090809@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <46A39607.7040002@fedoraproject.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Rahul Sundaram a ?crit : > > Yes. IMO hosted is a much better place for the icons. > > Rahul > I initially planned to host echo-icons on luya.fedorapeople.org but I realize allowing uploading from other contributors will be more difficult. What I am looking for is a host that supports the existing fedoraproject.org account which leads to hosted.fedoraproject.org on Infrastructure wiki. Unfortunately, I could not find any details about requesting a host on Fedora Infrastructure. Could anyone provide assistance? Luya -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFGo5YFa10Jb0NOz+ERAtlSAJ94Z/YYyNL9N2gSs22Brc0nDhHUqQCfcY8c uLq2bJJq8I08UdGs9UMeIpk= =IYya -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From dimitris at glezos.com Sun Jul 22 20:04:21 2007 From: dimitris at glezos.com (Dimitris Glezos) Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2007 21:04:21 +0100 Subject: Moving Echo icons to a better host? hosted.fedoraproject.org? In-Reply-To: <46A39607.7040002@fedoraproject.org> References: <1185085634.46a2f8c2ce852@ssl.mecca.ca> <46A2FE8A.5090809@fedoraproject.org> <46A39607.7040002@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <46A3B845.90506@glezos.com> O/H Luya Tshimbalanga ??????: > Rahul Sundaram a ?crit : >> Yes. IMO hosted is a much better place for the icons. > >> Rahul > > I initially planned to host echo-icons on luya.fedorapeople.org but I > realize allowing uploading from other contributors will be more > difficult. What I am looking for is a host that supports the existing > fedoraproject.org account which leads to hosted.fedoraproject.org on > Infrastructure wiki. > > Unfortunately, I could not find any details about requesting a host on > Fedora Infrastructure. Could anyone provide assistance? Infra manages such requests at: https://hosted.fedoraproject.org/projects/fedora-infrastructure Just open a ticket and I'm sure someone will look into it. :) -d -- Dimitris Glezos Jabber ID: glezos at jabber.org, GPG: 0xA5A04C3B http://dimitris.glezos.com/ "He who gives up functionality for ease of use loses both and deserves neither." (Anonymous) -- From mmcgrath at redhat.com Sun Jul 22 18:17:02 2007 From: mmcgrath at redhat.com (Mike McGrath) Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2007 13:17:02 -0500 Subject: Moving Echo icons to a better host? hosted.fedoraproject.org? In-Reply-To: <46A39607.7040002@fedoraproject.org> References: <1185085634.46a2f8c2ce852@ssl.mecca.ca> <46A2FE8A.5090809@fedoraproject.org> <46A39607.7040002@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <46A39F1E.4070807@redhat.com> Luya Tshimbalanga wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Rahul Sundaram a ?crit : > >> Yes. IMO hosted is a much better place for the icons. >> >> Rahul >> >> > I initially planned to host echo-icons on luya.fedorapeople.org but I > realize allowing uploading from other contributors will be more > difficult. What I am looking for is a host that supports the existing > fedoraproject.org account which leads to hosted.fedoraproject.org on > Infrastructure wiki. > > Unfortunately, I could not find any details about requesting a host on > Fedora Infrastructure. Could anyone provide assistance? > Technically hosted is still in beta. Though that should be changing very soon. On a side note, you should be able to chgrp +w art on fedorapeople.org. This will allow you to give write access to whatever you want to the art group. All groups in the fedora account system are created and populated on fedorapeople.org -Mike From luya_tfz at thefinalzone.com Mon Jul 23 19:12:30 2007 From: luya_tfz at thefinalzone.com (Luya Tshimbalanga) Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2007 12:12:30 -0700 Subject: Moving echo-icon-theme to new host, follow-up Message-ID: <46A4FD9E.70703@thefinalzone.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hello, I would like to get assistance to modify J5 script, echo_pull[1] to only download icons (both png and svg) from Echo development page[2]. I don't have a very good skill on python. The goal is to migrate all Echo icons to a new host[3]. Fedora contributors can have access to this directors for downloading and uploading icons. I have submitted a ticket for hosting package generated by echo_pull to ease the process.[4] Thank you, Luya [1]http://people.redhat.com/johnp/files/echo/echo_pull.tar.bz2 [2]http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/EchoDevelopment [3]http://luya.fedorapeople.org/images/echo [4]https://hosted.fedoraproject.org/projects/fedora-infrastructure/ticket/69 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFGpP2ca10Jb0NOz+ERAiSjAJ0eKkwzOu6blskYbG8netdItWL8YACeOcKO 6g/ZLEulifF1lH/NOpRI/14= =99RD -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From mclasen at redhat.com Mon Jul 23 19:26:06 2007 From: mclasen at redhat.com (Matthias Clasen) Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2007 15:26:06 -0400 Subject: Moving echo-icon-theme to new host, follow-up In-Reply-To: <46A4FD9E.70703@thefinalzone.com> References: <46A4FD9E.70703@thefinalzone.com> Message-ID: <1185218766.13048.12.camel@dhcp83-186.boston.redhat.com> On Mon, 2007-07-23 at 12:12 -0700, Luya Tshimbalanga wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Hello, > > I would like to get assistance to modify J5 script, echo_pull[1] to > only download icons (both png and svg) from Echo development page[2]. > I don't have a very good skill on python. The goal is to migrate all > Echo icons to a new host[3]. Fedora contributors can have access to > this directors for downloading and uploading icons. I have submitted a > ticket for hosting package generated by echo_pull to ease the process.[4] > I would really hope that moving Echo to different hosting also includes moving to some kind of RCS, so that we can get rid of all the pull nonsense and just check it out. From luya_tfz at thefinalzone.com Mon Jul 23 20:22:44 2007 From: luya_tfz at thefinalzone.com (Luya Tshimbalanga) Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2007 13:22:44 -0700 Subject: Moving echo-icon-theme to new host, follow-up In-Reply-To: <1185218766.13048.12.camel@dhcp83-186.boston.redhat.com> References: <46A4FD9E.70703@thefinalzone.com> <1185218766.13048.12.camel@dhcp83-186.boston.redhat.com> Message-ID: <46A50E14.20608@thefinalzone.com> Matthias Clasen a ?crit : > On Mon, 2007-07-23 at 12:12 -0700, Luya Tshimbalanga wrote: > >> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >> Hash: SHA1 >> >> Hello, >> >> I would like to get assistance to modify J5 script, echo_pull[1] to >> only download icons (both png and svg) from Echo development page[2]. >> I don't have a very good skill on python. The goal is to migrate all >> Echo icons to a new host[3]. Fedora contributors can have access to >> this directors for downloading and uploading icons. I have submitted a >> ticket for hosting package generated by echo_pull to ease the process.[4] >> >> > > I would really hope that moving Echo to different hosting also includes moving > to some kind of RCS, so that we can get rid of all the pull nonsense and > just check it out. > > It will. Just it is very hard to tell if all icons from the wiki is included using that echo_pull script. Since it already sorted these icons categories, hosting as they are will be easier and we will no longer have to use pull script again. I am wondering it gtk-icon-coverage-check requires some modifications as well. FAS group named gitecho-icon-theme will be ready shorty. I chose to get git as SCM. Regards, Luya -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I also hope to add an option that adds styling to panels, similar to that of menubars. Regards, Daniel -- References: [1]: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/NodokaTheme --------------------------------- Get the Yahoo! toolbar and be alerted to new email wherever you're surfing. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From luya_tfz at thefinalzone.com Wed Jul 25 22:46:51 2007 From: luya_tfz at thefinalzone.com (Luya Tshimbalanga) Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2007 18:46:51 -0400 Subject: Temporairly echo-icos source host location Message-ID: <1185403611.46a7d2dba5e47@ssl.mecca.ca> Sorry for a late message, I am very busy with Graphics Design classes. The echo-icon-theme source is temporairly located at luya.fedorapeople.org/images/echo . The future host will us git to import/export package which should dramatically reduce the need to use echo-pull script online. More details soon. -- Luya Tshimbalanga Fedora Project contributor http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/LuyaTshimbalanga From duffy at redhat.com Thu Jul 26 18:05:39 2007 From: duffy at redhat.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?M=E1ir=EDn_Duffy?=) Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2007 14:05:39 -0400 Subject: Good News On the Fedora 8 Theme & Decisions Message-ID: <46A8E273.5090903@redhat.com> Hey folks, I just heard from members of the Fedora Engineering Steering Committee (FESCo) that our team has been granted the authority to make decisions on all Fedora artwork. What this means is that we will be able to determine the default set of artwork and themes for Fedora 8. So, yay! Now, this also means we do have some decisions to make: - F8 default theme engine: FESCo would like to see us make a decision on the default theme engine for Fedora 8. Basically, if Nodoka is ready in time (the feature freeze is Aug 28, might it be ready by then and testable by test 2, Sept 6?), are we all comfortable with it being set as the default theme? How about if Echo doesn't make it? (I'm using the Nodoka metacity theme right now with the current default icon set, Mist, and I think that they complement each other quite well. So I personally don't see there being a dependency on Echo for Nodoka. What do you think?) - F8 default icon theme: Another decision we have to make is if we are comfortable with Echo being the default for F8, and how complete we would require Echo to be before it can be set as the default. Echo is not actually on the proposed feature list [1] for F8, however. This may be an issue in getting it into F8; I'm not sure. Would we be happy with Mist for another release? Do we agree the Echo is the right direction to head in? (I have some definite concerns here but would like to hear from you folks before outlining them.) ~m [1] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/8/FeatureList From mclasen at redhat.com Thu Jul 26 18:05:54 2007 From: mclasen at redhat.com (Matthias Clasen) Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2007 14:05:54 -0400 Subject: Good News On the Fedora 8 Theme & Decisions In-Reply-To: <46A8E273.5090903@redhat.com> References: <46A8E273.5090903@redhat.com> Message-ID: <1185473154.3317.0.camel@dhcp83-186.boston.redhat.com> On Thu, 2007-07-26 at 14:05 -0400, M?ir?n Duffy wrote: > - F8 default icon theme: > > Another decision we have to make is if we are comfortable with Echo > being the default for F8, and how complete we would require Echo to be > before it can be set as the default. Echo is not actually on the > proposed feature list [1] for F8, however. This may be an issue in > getting it into F8; I'm not sure. Would we be happy with Mist for > another release? Do we agree the There should be no issue with getting Echo into F8, considering it was already in F7... From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Thu Jul 26 07:06:36 2007 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2007 12:36:36 +0530 Subject: Good News On the Fedora 8 Theme & Decisions In-Reply-To: <1185473154.3317.0.camel@dhcp83-186.boston.redhat.com> References: <46A8E273.5090903@redhat.com> <1185473154.3317.0.camel@dhcp83-186.boston.redhat.com> Message-ID: <46A847FC.2020907@fedoraproject.org> Matthias Clasen wrote: > On Thu, 2007-07-26 at 14:05 -0400, M?ir?n Duffy wrote: > >> - F8 default icon theme: >> >> Another decision we have to make is if we are comfortable with Echo >> being the default for F8, and how complete we would require Echo to be >> before it can be set as the default. Echo is not actually on the >> proposed feature list [1] for F8, however. This may be an issue in >> getting it into F8; I'm not sure. Would we be happy with Mist for >> another release? Do we agree the > > There should be no issue with getting Echo into F8, considering it was > already in F7... Even if you do want to consider this a new feature and propose this as the default icon them, you still would have time till the feature freeze date. Rahul From ben.arnold.inbox at gmail.com Thu Jul 26 19:28:20 2007 From: ben.arnold.inbox at gmail.com (Ben Arnold) Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2007 20:28:20 +0100 Subject: Abstract theme : Round 2 Message-ID: <9c3bfa1d0707261228n5b427bd6x1fe26749f2438bc4@mail.gmail.com> All, As we are now into round two and I've found some time after my holiday, I have done a bit more work on the Abstract theme [1]. The update is a series of developed wallpapers (2a > 2e [2]) along with the SVG [3] of the latest one (2e). I added the aforementioned sun-style background with bluey colours and experimented with the number, thickness and - therefore - arrangement of them yeilded a darker majority with lighter highlights. I was also experimenting with the lines, adding fades and changing the colours. The next step will probs be to fade the contrast out a bit in the bottom-right. I think I will need to change the background colours, advice wrt this will be appriciated. Thanks, ./b 1 - http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/F8ThemeAbstract 2 - http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/F8ThemeAbstract?action=AttachFile&do=view&target=LinesAndCircles2e.png 3 - http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/F8ThemeAbstract?action=AttachFile&do=view&target=LinesAndCircles2.svg -- | ..// seawolf //.. | | Ben Arnold | | e-mail / msn / icq / web | | http://clik.to/seawolfsanctuary | | ben.arnold.inbox (at) gmail.com | | iamseawolf (at) gmail (dot) com | | GnuPG Available - ask me! | From mclasen at redhat.com Thu Jul 26 21:34:22 2007 From: mclasen at redhat.com (Matthias Clasen) Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2007 17:34:22 -0400 Subject: Good News On the Fedora 8 Theme & Decisions In-Reply-To: <46A847FC.2020907@fedoraproject.org> References: <46A8E273.5090903@redhat.com> <1185473154.3317.0.camel@dhcp83-186.boston.redhat.com> <46A847FC.2020907@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <1185485662.3616.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Thu, 2007-07-26 at 12:36 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > Matthias Clasen wrote: > > On Thu, 2007-07-26 at 14:05 -0400, M?ir?n Duffy wrote: > > > >> - F8 default icon theme: > >> > >> Another decision we have to make is if we are comfortable with Echo > >> being the default for F8, and how complete we would require Echo to be > >> before it can be set as the default. Echo is not actually on the > >> proposed feature list [1] for F8, however. This may be an issue in > >> getting it into F8; I'm not sure. Would we be happy with Mist for > >> another release? Do we agree the > > > > There should be no issue with getting Echo into F8, considering it was > > already in F7... > > Even if you do want to consider this a new feature and propose this as > the default icon them, you still would have time till the feature freeze > date. Seriously, just because we have this new feature process, we don't have to force everything through it. From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Thu Jul 26 10:22:00 2007 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2007 15:52:00 +0530 Subject: Good News On the Fedora 8 Theme & Decisions In-Reply-To: <1185485662.3616.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <46A8E273.5090903@redhat.com> <1185473154.3317.0.camel@dhcp83-186.boston.redhat.com> <46A847FC.2020907@fedoraproject.org> <1185485662.3616.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <46A875C8.50000@fedoraproject.org> Matthias Clasen wrote: > On Thu, 2007-07-26 at 12:36 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote: >> Matthias Clasen wrote: >>> On Thu, 2007-07-26 at 14:05 -0400, M?ir?n Duffy wrote: >>> >>>> - F8 default icon theme: >>>> >>>> Another decision we have to make is if we are comfortable with Echo >>>> being the default for F8, and how complete we would require Echo to be >>>> before it can be set as the default. Echo is not actually on the >>>> proposed feature list [1] for F8, however. This may be an issue in >>>> getting it into F8; I'm not sure. Would we be happy with Mist for >>>> another release? Do we agree the >>> There should be no issue with getting Echo into F8, considering it was >>> already in F7... >> Even if you do want to consider this a new feature and propose this as >> the default icon them, you still would have time till the feature freeze >> date. > > Seriously, just because we have this new feature process, we don't have > to force everything through it. Not suggesting it for this particular change but a better understanding is good since it was asked for. Rahul From dgeiger_343 at yahoo.com Fri Jul 27 00:32:54 2007 From: dgeiger_343 at yahoo.com (Daniel Geiger) Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2007 17:32:54 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Good News On the Fedora 8 Theme & Decisions In-Reply-To: <46A8E273.5090903@redhat.com> Message-ID: <446301.48386.qm@web45216.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Several thoughts: The Echo icon theme doesn't seem to me like it would work as the F8 default icon theme unless used with the Nodoka theme; the Echo icons somehow seem immature otherwise. So, I guess I would see Echo having a dependence on Nodoka, actually. I think Echo + Nodoka would work quite well, if the Echo icon theme is made complete enough. I also don't see any need to change the default Bluecurve mouse cursor theme. The Mist icon theme seems to fit fairly well with Nodoka also. I might add that a few of the Mist icons seem too "pixelated," however (this is merely something with the Mist icon theme itself). As for the Nodoka theme engine, it is nearly complete, I think, and should definitely be ready for testing by August 28. I don't think there's terribly much left to do with styling (see /usr/share/doc/gtk-nodoka-engine-0.5/TODO). The choice of Fedora/Mist or Echo as the F8 default icon theme might influence some of the minor styling details, however. The Nodoka Metacity theme is essentially in its final form, with the exception that it needs work for bugless button layout support. So, I could go either way with Echo/Mist as the default icon theme, I guess. I don't think the Nodoka theme really has much of a dependence on Echo, but rather the other way around, if either has a dependence on the other one. What are your concerns that you mentioned over Echo? ~Daniel M?ir?n Duffy wrote: Hey folks, I just heard from members of the Fedora Engineering Steering Committee (FESCo) that our team has been granted the authority to make decisions on all Fedora artwork. What this means is that we will be able to determine the default set of artwork and themes for Fedora 8. So, yay! Now, this also means we do have some decisions to make: - F8 default theme engine: FESCo would like to see us make a decision on the default theme engine for Fedora 8. Basically, if Nodoka is ready in time (the feature freeze is Aug 28, might it be ready by then and testable by test 2, Sept 6?), are we all comfortable with it being set as the default theme? How about if Echo doesn't make it? (I'm using the Nodoka metacity theme right now with the current default icon set, Mist, and I think that they complement each other quite well. So I personally don't see there being a dependency on Echo for Nodoka. What do you think?) - F8 default icon theme: Another decision we have to make is if we are comfortable with Echo being the default for F8, and how complete we would require Echo to be before it can be set as the default. Echo is not actually on the proposed feature list [1] for F8, however. This may be an issue in getting it into F8; I'm not sure. Would we be happy with Mist for another release? Do we agree the Echo is the right direction to head in? (I have some definite concerns here but would like to hear from you folks before outlining them.) ~m [1] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/8/FeatureList _______________________________________________ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list at redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list --------------------------------- Park yourself in front of a world of choices in alternative vehicles. Visit the Yahoo! Auto Green Center. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From duffy at redhat.com Fri Jul 27 00:54:53 2007 From: duffy at redhat.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?M=E1ir=ED=ADn_Duffy?=) Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2007 20:54:53 -0400 Subject: Good News On the Fedora 8 Theme & Decisions In-Reply-To: <446301.48386.qm@web45216.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> References: <446301.48386.qm@web45216.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <46A9425D.4000901@redhat.com> Daniel Geiger wrote: > Several thoughts: > > The Echo icon theme doesn't seem to me like it would work as the F8 > default icon theme unless used with the Nodoka theme; the Echo icons > somehow seem immature otherwise. So, I guess I would see Echo having a > dependence on Nodoka, actually. I think Echo + Nodoka would work quite > well, if the Echo icon theme is made complete enough. I also don't see > any need to change the default Bluecurve mouse cursor theme. It appears you've literally an rpm dependency in the nodoka-theme-gnome-0.3.1.1-1.fc7.noarch.rpm rpm.... [duffy at yuna Desktop]$ sudo rpm -Uvh nodoka-theme-gnome-0.3.1.1-1.fc7.noarch.rpm error: Failed dependencies: echo-icon-theme is needed by nodoka-theme-gnome-0.3.1.1-1.fc7.noarch I think that should be removed then? ~m From duffy at redhat.com Fri Jul 27 02:37:22 2007 From: duffy at redhat.com (=?UTF-8?B?TcOhaXLDrcKtbiBEdWZmeQ==?=) Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2007 22:37:22 -0400 Subject: [F8 Theme Proposal] Fedora Infinity In-Reply-To: <46974C0A.3090203@nicubunu.ro> References: <46833D6A.2070705@redhat.com> <468353B7.1080009@nicubunu.ro> <46974C0A.3090203@nicubunu.ro> Message-ID: <46A95A62.1010901@redhat.com> Nicu Buculei wrote: > So here is the experiment I sketched: take the "infinite structure" > image, strip it of all details and leave only the metaphor and a few > gradients of light and shadow, in the spirit of simplicity we talked > about in other designs. > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/F8Themes/Infinity?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=infinite_structure.png > > Probably it could get back some more details and shades. Hey, so here's my expansion on what you did with the bridge, Nicu! (been a long time coming, sorry about that!) What do you think? http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/F8Themes/Infinity?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=infinite_structure.2_thumb.png (on http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/F8Themes/Infinity, svg available link on that page) ~m From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Fri Jul 27 07:20:36 2007 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2007 10:20:36 +0300 Subject: Good News On the Fedora 8 Theme & Decisions In-Reply-To: <46A8E273.5090903@redhat.com> References: <46A8E273.5090903@redhat.com> Message-ID: <46A99CC4.8020904@nicubunu.ro> M?ir?n Duffy wrote: > Hey folks, > > I just heard from members of the Fedora Engineering Steering Committee > (FESCo) that our team has been granted the authority to make decisions > on all Fedora artwork. What this means is that we will be able to > determine the default set of artwork and themes for Fedora 8. So, yay! This is great. > Now, this also means we do have some decisions to make: > > - F8 default theme engine: I don't have a strong feeling either way: I just installed Nodoka (and made the blue a little less bright) and it look decent. Maybe a bit slower, but I have to use it more before drawing any conclusion. It fit OK the Myst icon theme, so no problem on that front. Thinking more, I am a supporter of having a Fedora specific flavor, so I am inclined *for* using Nodoka. > - F8 default icon theme: I think Echo is not complete enough for a default (and I am not sure it is the right way) so my option is Myst for yet another release. OTOH, I suspect that postponing Echo yet another release as a default my mean its definitive dismissal. -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From lightsolphoenix at gmail.com Fri Jul 27 07:37:10 2007 From: lightsolphoenix at gmail.com (Kelly) Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2007 03:37:10 -0400 Subject: Good News On the Fedora 8 Theme & Decisions In-Reply-To: <46A8E273.5090903@redhat.com> References: <46A8E273.5090903@redhat.com> Message-ID: <200707270337.11284.lightsolphoenix@gmail.com> On Thursday, July 26, 2007 2:05 pm M?ir?n Duffy wrote: > - F8 default theme engine: > > FESCo would like to see us make a decision on the default theme engine > for Fedora 8. Basically, if Nodoka is ready in time (the feature freeze > is Aug 28, might it be ready by then and testable by test 2, Sept 6?), > are we all comfortable with it being set as the default theme? How about > if Echo doesn't make it? (I'm using the Nodoka metacity theme right now > with the current default icon set, Mist, and I think that they > complement each other quite well. So I personally don't see there being > a dependency on Echo for Nodoka. What do you think?) I will continue to push the opinion that at this point in Fedora's history, the theme engine should REALLY be based on QtCurve... -- Please avoid sending me Word or PowerPoint attachments. See http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Fri Jul 27 07:41:12 2007 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2007 10:41:12 +0300 Subject: [F8 Theme Proposal] Fedora Infinity In-Reply-To: <46A95A62.1010901@redhat.com> References: <46833D6A.2070705@redhat.com> <468353B7.1080009@nicubunu.ro> <46974C0A.3090203@nicubunu.ro> <46A95A62.1010901@redhat.com> Message-ID: <46A9A198.8010703@nicubunu.ro> M?ir??n Duffy wrote: > Nicu Buculei wrote: >> So here is the experiment I sketched: take the "infinite structure" >> image, strip it of all details and leave only the metaphor and a few >> gradients of light and shadow, in the spirit of simplicity we talked >> about in other designs. >> >> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/F8Themes/Infinity?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=infinite_structure.png > > Hey, so here's my expansion on what you did with the bridge, Nicu! (been > a long time coming, sorry about that!) What do you think? > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/F8Themes/Infinity?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=infinite_structure.2_thumb.png I like it, it is very smooth (gradients, blur and all). I also like your selection of colors. Maybe the center of interest may be moved a little? You know, the rule of thirds? [1] One thing I am still thinking of is if I like better the SVG with the center of interest on the left or the PNG, which is mirrored to have it on the right (one draw my focus and the other not). On a negative tone, I had to think a few seconds before understanding *what* the shapes represent (a structure). A related thing I intended to try (not found the right time so far and the time is running out) is something similar but using the tree outlines (some very thick outlines). [1] - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rule_of_thirds - http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/infinite_structure_grid.png -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Fri Jul 27 10:59:21 2007 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2007 16:29:21 +0530 Subject: Good News On the Fedora 8 Theme & Decisions In-Reply-To: <200707270337.11284.lightsolphoenix@gmail.com> References: <46A8E273.5090903@redhat.com> <200707270337.11284.lightsolphoenix@gmail.com> Message-ID: <46A9D009.3000903@fedoraproject.org> Kelly wrote: > On Thursday, July 26, 2007 2:05 pm M?ir?n Duffy wrote: >> - F8 default theme engine: >> >> FESCo would like to see us make a decision on the default theme engine >> for Fedora 8. Basically, if Nodoka is ready in time (the feature freeze >> is Aug 28, might it be ready by then and testable by test 2, Sept 6?), >> are we all comfortable with it being set as the default theme? How about >> if Echo doesn't make it? (I'm using the Nodoka metacity theme right now >> with the current default icon set, Mist, and I think that they >> complement each other quite well. So I personally don't see there being >> a dependency on Echo for Nodoka. What do you think?) > > I will continue to push the opinion that at this point in Fedora's history, > the theme engine should REALLY be based on QtCurve... How would that work for GNOME? Rahul From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Fri Jul 27 13:45:35 2007 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2007 16:45:35 +0300 Subject: [F8 Theme Proposal] Fedora Infinity In-Reply-To: <46A9A198.8010703@nicubunu.ro> References: <46833D6A.2070705@redhat.com> <468353B7.1080009@nicubunu.ro> <46974C0A.3090203@nicubunu.ro> <46A95A62.1010901@redhat.com> <46A9A198.8010703@nicubunu.ro> Message-ID: <46A9F6FF.10702@nicubunu.ro> Nicu Buculei wrote: > M?ir??n Duffy wrote: >>> >>> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/F8Themes/Infinity?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=infinite_structure.png >> > > A related thing I intended to try (not found the right time so far and > the time is running out) is something similar but using the tree > outlines (some very thick outlines). I played a little with the palm trees, and uploaded a couple of sketches in the wiki http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/F8Themes/Infinity -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From stevelist at silverorange.com Fri Jul 27 15:29:12 2007 From: stevelist at silverorange.com (Steven Garrity) Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2007 12:29:12 -0300 Subject: Nodoka engine 0.5 released In-Reply-To: <688664.33950.qm@web45204.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> References: <688664.33950.qm@web45204.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <46AA0F48.6010701@silverorange.com> A few quick thoughts after using Nodoka for a few days: [ Echo Icon Theme ] Still not complete enough to use full-time. I'm not a fan of the visual style, but I'll reserve judgment until I can use a completed icon theme. Using Gion, Tango, or one of the Gnome defaults looks fine for now (Mist). [ Metacity Theme ] I like the narrow window borders, but the top-left window controls and the boxes they sit it appear simplistic (not the good kind of simple). Back to Gilouche for now. [ Gtk Theme ] This is quite promising. Buttons and other controls look great. I find the overall style to be too heavily gray. I prefer the soft beige tone of MurrinaGilouche [1]. The arrows on flydown menus and scrollbars seem a bit large and could use a bit more padding - perhaps a full/solid triangle shape might look better than the bracket-look <> ? Thanks, Steven Garrity [1] http://gnome-look.org/CONTENT/content-pre1/44510-1.png From martin.sourada at seznam.cz Fri Jul 27 16:42:40 2007 From: martin.sourada at seznam.cz (Martin Sourada) Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2007 18:42:40 +0200 Subject: Good News On the Fedora 8 Theme & Decisions In-Reply-To: <446301.48386.qm@web45216.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> References: <446301.48386.qm@web45216.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1185554560.2982.32.camel@pc-notebook> On Fri, 2007-07-27 at 02:32 +0200, Daniel Geiger wrote: > Several thoughts: > > The Echo icon theme doesn't seem to me like it would work as the F8 > default icon theme unless used with the Nodoka theme; the Echo icons > somehow seem immature otherwise. So, I guess I would see Echo having > a dependence on Nodoka, actually. I think Echo + Nodoka would work > quite well, if the Echo icon theme is made complete enough. I also > don't see any need to change the default Bluecurve mouse cursor theme. > > The Mist icon theme seems to fit fairly well with Nodoka also. I > might add that a few of the Mist icons seem too "pixelated," however > (this is merely something with the Mist icon theme itself). > > As for the Nodoka theme engine, it is nearly complete, I think, and > should definitely be ready for testing by August 28. I don't think > there's terribly much left to do with styling > (see /usr/share/doc/gtk-nodoka-engine-0.5/TODO). The choice of > Fedora/Mist or Echo as the F8 default icon theme might influence some > of the minor styling details, however. The Nodoka Metacity theme is > essentially in its final form, with the exception that it needs work > for bugless button layout support. > > So, I could go either way with Echo/Mist as the default icon theme, I > guess. I don't think the Nodoka theme really has much of a dependence > on Echo, but rather the other way around, if either has a dependence > on the other one. What are your concerns that you mentioned over > Echo? > > ~Daniel Hi folks, I returned from vacations a bit sooner but tomorrow I am going to another one (will be back at Friday at the latest) so only some comments to the recent discussion... [Nodoka] Arrow styling. I looked at the 0.5 screenshot and yep, they are too big, I'd make them smaller. I will rethink once more whether full arrows would be better in some places then the '>' styled ones. [Nodoka] Handles. As I look repeatedly at the circles I think, that a) on toolbar I'd move them a little farther from the border (i.e. more to the right, to leave some space there), on scrollbar I seem to grew to like the bars a little more. Daniel, did you make them as option or replaced the old handles completely? On the GTK scale and on the scrollbars they also seem to be not in the center. On the GTK Scale I would perhaps make them smaller, but I think I'll will play with this particular case myself... otherwise it looks very nice. Apart from the things I mentioned it seems nearly complete, only some shadows, maybe some code optimisation and it would be release ready. So now the blockers are the package reviews[1][2]... I'll ping maintainers list about them when I'm back. [Nodoka] Dependency on Echo icons. well, this is not a big issue. Nodoka is supposed to work with Echo icons, so I took them as dependency. Seeing it works nice with Mist as well I can change the dependency to Mist (or Fedora, if it will be called same as in F7) if echo will not be used. But for the meta theme I need some dependency. The meta theme defines metacity theme, gtk+ theme and icon theme, so the package must reflect the dependency as well (otherwise we could end with broken meta theme). To use Nodoka, you need not to use the meta theme, but it's faster to select it this way. Echo Icons. Good to see the hosting is finally moving away from wiki. It was really a pain lately to load there some icons (due to the huge number of attachments). I hope I will have time to resume my work on Echo icons soon. I think the most critical icons which should be made are those that are on default desktop, e.g. internet (could be same as category internet IMHO), mail (I proposed one lately[3], uses Diana's initial design for it, but it seems to be overlooked completely on whole wiki), OpenOffice.org apps and the icons in the main menu and in the nautilus. Echo cursor theme. Yep, for Fedora 8 I would stay with the default, but I think in the future we could make a refreshed theme. Development wiki page is prepared for it [4]. The main goal now is to define the default look. I therefore encourage anyone to upload their ideas of the default theme to the wiki [5]. There is no deadline for it currently and no requirement (save for the wiki edit rights) currently, so if you have even only a idea, feel free to suggest it. I somehow feel that the icons now need much more attention and work. Reply to the main thread theme. Yay, it's really great that the Art Team has now the 'power'. I hope we can attract more contributors at the least to the Theme design now, since I think we can now have no fear of the decisions made for F7 (i.e. the three round battle for 'nothing') and like. References: [1] https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=248163 [2] https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=248516 [3] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-art-list/2007-July/msg00098.html [4] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/EchoCursors/Development [5] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/EchoCursors -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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See http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FedoraEvents/GitexExampleSign for the example provided by Red Hat. Here is my attempt: The Fedora Project A Collection of Projects Sponsored by Red Hat and Developed as a Partnership between the Open Source Community and Red Hat Engineers * Produces Fedora 7, a Leading-edge Linux Distribution with a Graphical Installer, Advanced Desktop, Security and Administration Tools. * Provides Base Software for Red Hat Enterprise Linux and One Laptop Per Child. * Hosts the Fedora Localization Project, for Translating and Adapting Applications, Documentation and Websites to Specific Languages, Regions and Cultures * Develops Revisor, a Free Tool for Producing Custom Live CDs and USB Sticks. http://fedoraproject.org Best Regards, John Babich Volunteer, Fedora Project From tchung at fedoraproject.org Fri Jul 27 18:30:23 2007 From: tchung at fedoraproject.org (Thomas Chung) Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2007 11:30:23 -0700 Subject: Fedora Project Sign for GITEX Demo Pod In-Reply-To: <9d2c731f0707271127j33348b6fl2acc4820f13e428a@mail.gmail.com> References: <9d2c731f0707270855n77724008ie242297f28598377@mail.gmail.com> <369bce3b0707271117m5e5eca64jf13001550226873a@mail.gmail.com> <9d2c731f0707271127j33348b6fl2acc4820f13e428a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <369bce3b0707271130i1c08ebdby8c7f7e570a0ad2ff@mail.gmail.com> On 7/27/07, John Babich wrote: > Thanks for taking an interest in the Demo Pod design, but Red Hat > Europe is handling the Demo Pod design directly. > > Where I can use some help is choosing the best Fedora Logo for the > sign. Perhaps that's what you meant. > > See http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FedoraEvents/GitexExampleSign for > the example provided by Red Hat. > > Best Regards, > > John Babich > Volunteer, Fedora Project > Yup, Anything related to Fedora Logo should consult with Fedora Arts Team. :) Regards, -- Thomas Chung http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ThomasChung From lightsolphoenix at gmail.com Fri Jul 27 18:35:56 2007 From: lightsolphoenix at gmail.com (Kelly) Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2007 14:35:56 -0400 Subject: Good News On the Fedora 8 Theme & Decisions In-Reply-To: <46A9D009.3000903@fedoraproject.org> References: <46A8E273.5090903@redhat.com> <200707270337.11284.lightsolphoenix@gmail.com> <46A9D009.3000903@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <200707271435.57204.lightsolphoenix@gmail.com> On Friday, July 27, 2007 6:59 am Rahul Sundaram wrote: > > How would that work for GNOME? > > Rahul Okay, I see your point. Why there isn't a way to do theme editing from GNOME when everything else works just as well in GNOME as in KDE, I'll never know. I mean, what you have here is a non-DE specific theme that has been forced to be a DE-specific theme because of shortsightedness in configuration... Okay, then I say that KDE should use Klearlook as default, so it matches the GNOME Clearlook. -- Please avoid sending me Word or PowerPoint attachments. See http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html From luya_tfz at thefinalzone.com Fri Jul 27 21:51:24 2007 From: luya_tfz at thefinalzone.com (Luya Tshimbalanga) Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2007 17:51:24 -0400 Subject: Good News On the Fedora 8 Theme & Decisions In-Reply-To: <46A8E273.5090903@redhat.com> References: <46A8E273.5090903@redhat.com> Message-ID: <1185573084.46aa68dc2830f@ssl.mecca.ca> Quoting M?ir?n Duffy : > - F8 default icon theme: > > Another decision we have to make is if we are comfortable with Echo > being the default for F8, and how complete we would require Echo to be > before it can be set as the default. Echo is not actually on the > proposed feature list [1] for F8, however. This may be an issue in > getting it into F8; I'm not sure. Would we be happy with Mist for > another release? Do we agree the Echo is the right direction to head in? > (I have some definite concerns here but would like to hear from you > folks before outlining them.) I am working on it despite my heavy schedule. Echo icons will move to a better host (hosted.fedoraproject.org)[1] that virtually eliminate some quirks like echo-pull. I also let access to my art directory under luya.fedorapeople.org/images/echo so artwork team members can add their new created icons. I have included all modified SVG I made months ago due to librsvg2 issue, there are some icons that need to be fixed but I cannot do all these tasks alone due to time constraint in school and work. -- Luya Tshimbalanga Fedora Project contributor http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/LuyaTshimbalanga From lightsolphoenix at gmail.com Sat Jul 28 00:57:25 2007 From: lightsolphoenix at gmail.com (Kelly) Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2007 20:57:25 -0400 Subject: Good News On the Fedora 8 Theme & Decisions In-Reply-To: <1185573084.46aa68dc2830f@ssl.mecca.ca> References: <46A8E273.5090903@redhat.com> <1185573084.46aa68dc2830f@ssl.mecca.ca> Message-ID: <200707272057.25939.lightsolphoenix@gmail.com> On Friday, July 27, 2007 5:51 pm Luya Tshimbalanga wrote: > I am working on it despite my heavy schedule. Echo icons will move to a > better host (hosted.fedoraproject.org)[1] that virtually eliminate some > quirks like echo-pull. I also let access to my art directory under > luya.fedorapeople.org/images/echo so artwork team members can add their new > created icons. I have included all modified SVG I made months ago due to > librsvg2 issue, there are some icons that need to be fixed but I cannot do > all these tasks alone due to time constraint in school and work. I'd offer to help out, but icons are definitely something I can't do. -- Please avoid sending me Word or PowerPoint attachments. See http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html From luya_tfz at thefinalzone.com Sat Jul 28 07:34:26 2007 From: luya_tfz at thefinalzone.com (Luya Tshimbalanga) Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2007 03:34:26 -0400 Subject: Good News On the Fedora 8 Theme & Decisions In-Reply-To: <200707272057.25939.lightsolphoenix@gmail.com> References: <46A8E273.5090903@redhat.com> <1185573084.46aa68dc2830f@ssl.mecca.ca> <200707272057.25939.lightsolphoenix@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1185608065.46aaf1820132b@ssl.mecca.ca> Quoting Kelly : > I'd offer to help out, but icons are definitely something I can't do. You can look for possible rendering issues so one artwork member can correct them. -- Luya Tshimbalanga Fedora Project contributor http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/LuyaTshimbalanga From stephen at stephenbrandt.com Sat Jul 28 11:03:22 2007 From: stephen at stephenbrandt.com (Stephen Brandt) Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2007 13:03:22 +0200 Subject: Tangofied Fedora Logo Icon In-Reply-To: <1185606017.3638.42.camel@tuxhugs> References: <45B772A8.50202@redhat.com> <45B7D426.9080805@redhat.com> <42591.65.223.36.19.1169678706.squirrel@thecodergeek.com> <45B7E359.80907@redhat.com> <45B80327.10608@stephenbrandt.com> <45B8D14B.7090201@redhat.com> <1169759722.4107.11.camel@dawkins> <45B93E5C.8030806@stephenbrandt.com> <1169772227.4464.14.camel@dawkins> <45BA13FB.4060204@stephenbrandt.com> <45BA35E7.60407@redhat.com> <461D6B24.6040909@stephenbrandt.com> <4624E3FB.5020704@stephenbrandt.com> <41694.65.223.36.19.1176849280.squirrel@webmail.thecodergeek.com> <46AA5008.5010706@stephenbrandt.com> <1185606017.3638.42.camel@tuxhugs> Message-ID: <1185620602.5520.28.camel@ubuntu> Hi Peter and others, First I would to point out the correct location [1] of the icon artwork, instead of the work-in-progress tango mailing list post Peter revered to. My tango-icons directory is indexed, so you can browse for individual icon files too. Second I think we should separate some goals: A. - Main objective 1) Get approval for the tangofied fedora icon in general. 2) If positive, what license possibilities (in regards to icon themes inclusion for example). B. - Secondary objective 1) Depending on A. possibilities of inclusion of the icon in Tango styled themes like GNOME Icon Theme and Tango Icon Theme shipped with Fedora. 2) Possibility of the icon inclusion in the default Fedora theme if that theme is Tango style compatible like the current Mist/GNOME combo - will not fit in with Echo presumably. Unlike Peter I don't think Fedora should have Tango Icon Theme as the default one per se (although it should be installed at least). Nevertheless an icon theme following Tango Style Guide as default (like GNOME Icon Theme, ) would be nice. - Stephen [1] http://stephenbrandt.com/tango-icons/fedora/fedora.png From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Sat Jul 28 11:41:07 2007 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2007 17:11:07 +0530 Subject: Good News On the Fedora 8 Theme & Decisions In-Reply-To: <200707271435.57204.lightsolphoenix@gmail.com> References: <46A8E273.5090903@redhat.com> <200707270337.11284.lightsolphoenix@gmail.com> <46A9D009.3000903@fedoraproject.org> <200707271435.57204.lightsolphoenix@gmail.com> Message-ID: <46AB2B53.9090008@fedoraproject.org> Kelly wrote: > On Friday, July 27, 2007 6:59 am Rahul Sundaram wrote: >> How would that work for GNOME? >> >> Rahul > > > Okay, I see your point. Why there isn't a way to do theme editing from GNOME > when everything else works just as well in GNOME as in KDE, I'll never know. > I mean, what you have here is a non-DE specific theme that has been forced to > be a DE-specific theme because of shortsightedness in configuration... Both DE's have engines that make them DE specific. It could be standardized but that is neither here nor there now. Klearlooks is not a option for Fedora 8 since the GNOME theme is being changed. Rahul From tatadbb at gmail.com Sun Jul 29 00:57:12 2007 From: tatadbb at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Mar=EDa_Leandro?=) Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2007 20:57:12 -0400 Subject: a little hi! Message-ID: <27a6293b0707281757n28a203ccl18a93894620ee0a1@mail.gmail.com> Hello all. I'm Maria Leandro and I'm glad of join your team :D. I've been a while on the IRC channel talking a little about Fedora art issues and a friend there told me to join this great team to help with some graphics. Right now I made 2 characters that I would be glad to upload to the mascot wiki, but on the process to made this, I pass trough a looot of things (make the key is not easy :S). I went to #fedora-websites and told me that to be able of upload some artwork to fedora mascot, fist I'd to join and edit mi wiki... that's the problem.. I can't :S. I've been working with artwork on Fedora Team Venezuela specially on inkscape and gimp making some translations of artwork and It would be nice to make it on the wiki :D. If some one can help me to edit my wiki and upload some mascot it would be awesome! (I really don't know which step make now :-| ) kiss kiss to all!!!! :D -- tatica Maria Gracia Leandro www.tatica.org www.fedora-ve.org LinuxUser= 440285 "Be yourself... Don't be anyone else" -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Rahul From dimitris at glezos.com Sun Jul 29 13:25:27 2007 From: dimitris at glezos.com (Dimitris Glezos) Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2007 14:25:27 +0100 Subject: Echo used on our websites Message-ID: <46AC9547.7020806@glezos.com> Hey all. Just wanted to say a "thanks" to all people who have contributed to the Echo icon set. I've used them extensively for the design of our new `translate.fpo` site, see eg.: http://translate.fedoraproject.org/module/docs-release-notes Looking forward to not only see the icon set completed, but also to compliment it with more icons (famfamfam silk's completeness comes in mind). Keep up the good work! -d -- Dimitris Glezos Jabber ID: glezos at jabber.org, GPG: 0xA5A04C3B http://dimitris.glezos.com/ "He who gives up functionality for ease of use loses both and deserves neither." (Anonymous) -- From luya_tfz at thefinalzone.com Sun Jul 29 18:30:46 2007 From: luya_tfz at thefinalzone.com (Luya Tshimbalanga) Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2007 11:30:46 -0700 Subject: Echo used on our websites In-Reply-To: <46AC9547.7020806@glezos.com> References: <46AC9547.7020806@glezos.com> Message-ID: <46ACDCD6.9010907@thefinalzone.com> Dimitris Glezos a ?crit : > Hey all. > > Just wanted to say a "thanks" to all people who have contributed to the Echo > icon set. I've used them extensively for the design of our new `translate.fpo` > site, see eg.: > > http://translate.fedoraproject.org/module/docs-release-notes > > Looking forward to not only see the icon set completed, but also to compliment > it with more icons (famfamfam silk's completeness comes in mind). > > Keep up the good work! > > -d > > Thank you Dimitris. Glad to see how useful Echo icons were for your Google project Transifex. It is not only impressive, it is also much easier to access files for translation. We will definitively be going to add more icons for the Echo icon project. I have requested hosted.fedoraproject.org but I don't know what to do next. Once the host will be ready, adding more icons will be easier. Sincerely, Luya From jmbabich at gmail.com Fri Jul 27 18:27:28 2007 From: jmbabich at gmail.com (John Babich) Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2007 21:27:28 +0300 Subject: Fedora Project Sign for GITEX Demo Pod In-Reply-To: <369bce3b0707271117m5e5eca64jf13001550226873a@mail.gmail.com> References: <9d2c731f0707270855n77724008ie242297f28598377@mail.gmail.com> <369bce3b0707271117m5e5eca64jf13001550226873a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <9d2c731f0707271127j33348b6fl2acc4820f13e428a@mail.gmail.com> On 7/27/07, Thomas Chung wrote: > Could someone from Fedora Arts Team help him to design his Demo Pod? Thomas: Thanks for taking an interest in the Demo Pod design, but Red Hat Europe is handling the Demo Pod design directly. Where I can use some help is choosing the best Fedora Logo for the sign. Perhaps that's what you meant. See http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FedoraEvents/GitexExampleSign for the example provided by Red Hat. Best Regards, John Babich Volunteer, Fedora Project From peter at thecodergeek.com Sat Jul 28 07:00:17 2007 From: peter at thecodergeek.com (Peter Gordon) Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2007 00:00:17 -0700 Subject: Tangofied Fedora Logo Icon In-Reply-To: <46AA5008.5010706@stephenbrandt.com> References: <45B772A8.50202@redhat.com> <45B7D426.9080805@redhat.com> <42591.65.223.36.19.1169678706.squirrel@thecodergeek.com> <45B7E359.80907@redhat.com> <45B80327.10608@stephenbrandt.com> <45B8D14B.7090201@redhat.com> <1169759722.4107.11.camel@dawkins> <45B93E5C.8030806@stephenbrandt.com> <1169772227.4464.14.camel@dawkins> <45BA13FB.4060204@stephenbrandt.com> <45BA35E7.60407@redhat.com> <461D6B24.6040909@stephenbrandt.com> <4624E3FB.5020704@stephenbrandt.com> <41694.65.223.36.19.1176849280.squirrel@webmail.thecodergeek.com> <46AA5008.5010706@stephenbrandt.com> Message-ID: <1185606017.3638.42.camel@tuxhugs> On Fri, 2007-07-27 at 22:05 +0200, Stephen Brandt wrote: > Hi Peter, > > Since I haven't heard anything for a while I did a bit of research on > the Fedora Art project and noticed Diana is absent since half of march. > I have no idea why, and if there's some other person we should get in > touch with - to get approval for the icon. I think she left Red Hat, but I'm know none of the details. > I also noticed that besides Echo, the Tango icon theme is not in Fedora > 7 either (well, at least not default). So what are the Fedora icon theme > goals anyway? It's in the Fedora repositories, just not installed by default. Just install the tango-icon-theme (base set) and tango-icon-theme-extras (extra icons for multimedia things such as iPods, Dell Jukeboxes, etc.). If you're using a graphical package manager such as Pirut or YumEx, they are located in the "GNOME Desktop Environment" category. (CC-ing Fedora Art list for their input. For any list replies, please CC me to this email address, since I am not subscribed. Thanks.) Art List, Essentially the issue is that there is a Tango-ified Fedora logo [1] that I'd like to include in a downstream package of the Tango icon theme instead of the default pair of feet as the icon for the GNOME main menu; but I am attempting to get it approved legally, since it is a trademark of the Fedora Project and I do not want to abuse or violate any of the trademark guidelines. Now, the icon is almost unchanged from the standard Fedora trademark, except that it uses the Tango color palette and is made into a vector image. I'm under the (perhaps mistaken) impression that since this would be used in Fedora proper, it would be a valid and appropriate use of the trademark in spirit. However, I've yet to receive a Yea or Nay on this from Diana Fong or anyone else at Red Hat. (There was an OTRS ticket for this long ago; I don't know if it still is open.) Personally, I believe that Fedora should use the Tango icon set as the default theme, as it provides an icon set which: (1) adheres to the FreeDesktop.org naming guidelines; (2) contains consistent and easily distinguishable design patterns (through a specific set of usability guidelines [2]); and (3) is being absorbed upstream as default theming for major desktop projects such as OpenOffice.org, The GIMP, Pidgin, and others [3]. This would make the Fedora desktop experience much more fluid overall, since everything in theory would be using the same icons and same styling, thus being less of a learning curve for end-users. While I greatly appreciate the efforts of the Echo developers, I do not fully understand the motivation for it. One of Fedora's main goals is getting things done in upstream proper so that everyone benefits. Yet, we ignore the Tango project even though its goals coincide with our own (proper desktop "look and feel" integration, strict usability guidelines, upstream involvement, etc.). If it's entirely about branding and whatnot, the default setup already has _four_ separate ways of determining that it's Fedora, hence my confusion: Firstly, there is the "About Fedora" item in the "System" main menu. Secondly, the "System Monitor" item (under the "Administration" category of the "System" main menu") shows the Fedora release and codename in its first page/tab. Thirdly, Firefox and other browsers all default to the locale-specific Fedora release notes as their homepage. Lastly, some major applications such as Eclipse have a "Powered by Fedora" or similar notice on their splash screens. Thanks for your input, Stephen and others! 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Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Mon Jul 30 07:46:20 2007 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2007 10:46:20 +0300 Subject: Tangofied Fedora Logo Icon In-Reply-To: <1185620602.5520.28.camel@ubuntu> References: <45B772A8.50202@redhat.com> <45B7D426.9080805@redhat.com> <42591.65.223.36.19.1169678706.squirrel@thecodergeek.com> <45B7E359.80907@redhat.com> <45B80327.10608@stephenbrandt.com> <45B8D14B.7090201@redhat.com> <1169759722.4107.11.camel@dawkins> <45B93E5C.8030806@stephenbrandt.com> <1169772227.4464.14.camel@dawkins> <45BA13FB.4060204@stephenbrandt.com> <45BA35E7.60407@redhat.com> <461D6B24.6040909@stephenbrandt.com> <4624E3FB.5020704@stephenbrandt.com> <41694.65.223.36.19.1176849280.squirrel@webmail.thecodergeek.com> <46AA5008.5010706@stephenbrandt.com> <1185606017.3638.42.camel@tuxhugs> <1185620602.5520.28.camel@ubuntu> Message-ID: <46AD974C.6060306@nicubunu.ro> Stephen Brandt wrote: > Hi Peter and others, Hi, > First I would to point out the correct location [1] of the icon artwork, > instead of the work-in-progress tango mailing list post Peter revered > to. My tango-icons directory is indexed, so you can browse for > individual icon files too. > > Second I think we should separate some goals: > > A. - Main objective > 1) Get approval for the tangofied fedora icon in general. We have a page in the wiki holding the usage guidelines for the logo: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Logo The address to request use permission is logo at fedoraproject.org > 2) If positive, what license possibilities (in regards to icon themes > inclusion for example). I have no idea about this, but I am sure you can find inside the distro a few variants of the logo in GPL packages. Maybe also CC-BY-SA, but I am not the authority on this. -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Mon Jul 30 08:32:21 2007 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2007 11:32:21 +0300 Subject: a little hi! In-Reply-To: <27a6293b0707281757n28a203ccl18a93894620ee0a1@mail.gmail.com> References: <27a6293b0707281757n28a203ccl18a93894620ee0a1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <46ADA215.50300@nicubunu.ro> Mar?a Leandro wrote: > Hello all. > > I'm Maria Leandro and I'm glad of join your team :D. Hi, and welcome! Some of us may already be familiar (by a small degree) with your work, I remember seeing links to your creations (mostly wallpapers) on various mailing lists before, so I am glad to see you on board. > I've been a while on the IRC channel talking a little about Fedora art > issues and a friend there told me to join this great team to help with > some graphics. > > Right now I made 2 characters that I would be glad to upload to the > mascot wiki, but on the process to made this, I pass trough a looot of > things (make the key is not easy :S). I went to #fedora-websites and > told me that to be able of upload some artwork to fedora mascot, fist > I'd to join and edit mi wiki... that's the problem.. I can't :S. Intellectual property and license is a delicate and important matter and the work on visual identity makes it even more delicate and important. For your contributions to be accepted on the website and maybe later in the distro it is very important that you understand and agree with the license terms and conditions, this is why in necessary for you to follow the steps. If you have troubles with any particular step of the process, please ask and we will try to help you. > I've been working with artwork on Fedora Team Venezuela specially on > inkscape and gimp making some translations of artwork and It would be > nice to make it on the wiki :D. And I am sure we can use your skills in more other areas, so please sign the Contributor License Agreement > If some one can help me to edit my wiki and upload some mascot it would > be awesome! (I really don't know which step make now :-| ) While it is possible to upload content on the wiki on someone else's part, this is not recommended, it can de done only when we have the certitude the person has the intent to sign the CLA, can't do it temporarily and we are in a hurry. We are not hurry with the mascots and can wait a few days or even weeks until you solve the problems with the CLA (again, ask for specific help if you need it). -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From tatadbb at gmail.com Mon Jul 30 10:24:45 2007 From: tatadbb at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Mar=EDa_Leandro?=) Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2007 06:24:45 -0400 Subject: a little hi! In-Reply-To: <46ADA215.50300@nicubunu.ro> References: <27a6293b0707281757n28a203ccl18a93894620ee0a1@mail.gmail.com> <46ADA215.50300@nicubunu.ro> Message-ID: <27a6293b0707300324g59f60898tbd20af53bb077295@mail.gmail.com> I received this the same day I wrote my first mail :D Your signed Fedora Contributor License Agreement titled "Fedora Individual Contributor License Agreement" was processed successfully. You can now contribute to the Fedora Project. If you intend to work with a specific Fedora project, you may need to join additional groups in the Account System. So I think I'm done... :S I think we should work a little more on the wiki translation, cause the process to join this awesome team are no too easy, and all the translated support is not for this part. (I can help to translate the art-wiki too if you think this can help) I feel really... jejej I don't know really :$. that you know my work. Like I always say: "I'm just a programmer who like things pretty :D" Thanks a lot for your support, and my support team (Venezuela and ES network) has told me that I should wait for a certification or an answer of the CLA, but I receive the mail and I think I'm ready. I hope to help in all that will be need. kiss kiss :D 2007/7/30, Nicu Buculei : > > Mar?a Leandro wrote: > > Hello all. > > > > I'm Maria Leandro and I'm glad of join your team :D. > > Hi, and welcome! > > Some of us may already be familiar (by a small degree) with your work, I > remember seeing links to your creations (mostly wallpapers) on various > mailing lists before, so I am glad to see you on board. > > > I've been a while on the IRC channel talking a little about Fedora art > > issues and a friend there told me to join this great team to help with > > some graphics. > > > > Right now I made 2 characters that I would be glad to upload to the > > mascot wiki, but on the process to made this, I pass trough a looot of > > things (make the key is not easy :S). I went to #fedora-websites and > > told me that to be able of upload some artwork to fedora mascot, fist > > I'd to join and edit mi wiki... that's the problem.. I can't :S. > > Intellectual property and license is a delicate and important matter and > the work on visual identity makes it even more delicate and important. > For your contributions to be accepted on the website and maybe later in > the distro it is very important that you understand and agree with the > license terms and conditions, this is why in necessary for you to follow > the steps. > If you have troubles with any particular step of the process, please ask > and we will try to help you. > > > I've been working with artwork on Fedora Team Venezuela specially on > > inkscape and gimp making some translations of artwork and It would be > > nice to make it on the wiki :D. > > And I am sure we can use your skills in more other areas, so please sign > the Contributor License Agreement > > > If some one can help me to edit my wiki and upload some mascot it would > > be awesome! (I really don't know which step make now :-| ) > > While it is possible to upload content on the wiki on someone else's > part, this is not recommended, it can de done only when we have the > certitude the person has the intent to sign the CLA, can't do it > temporarily and we are in a hurry. We are not hurry with the mascots and can wait a few days or even weeks > until you solve the problems with the CLA (again, ask for specific help > if you need it). > > > -- > nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com > Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ > Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org > my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro > -- tatica Maria Gracia Leandro www.tatica.org www.fedora-ve.org LinuxUser= 440285 "Be yourself... Don't be anyone else" -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Mon Jul 30 10:50:51 2007 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2007 13:50:51 +0300 Subject: a little hi! In-Reply-To: <27a6293b0707300324g59f60898tbd20af53bb077295@mail.gmail.com> References: <27a6293b0707281757n28a203ccl18a93894620ee0a1@mail.gmail.com> <46ADA215.50300@nicubunu.ro> <27a6293b0707300324g59f60898tbd20af53bb077295@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <46ADC28B.6030904@nicubunu.ro> Mar?a Leandro wrote: > I received this the same day I wrote my first mail :D > > Your signed Fedora Contributor License Agreement > titled "Fedora Individual Contributor License Agreement" > was processed successfully. > > So I think I'm done... :S Well, this is the step where an action from some other existing member is needed. Create an user for the wiki with your name (MariaLeandro or MariaGraciaLeandro are fine choices) and ping someone (for example me in a private mail) when done to get that name added to the EditGroup - http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/EditGroup > I think we should work a little more on the wiki translation, cause the > process to join this awesome team are no too easy, and all the > translated support is not for this part. (I can help to translate the > art-wiki too if you think this can help) If you want to work on that, I believe the starting point is http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Languages#head-7aa19e11813d65124cfd24537f9ed548e025d65d -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From markg85 at gmail.com Mon Jul 30 12:15:30 2007 From: markg85 at gmail.com (Mark) Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2007 14:15:30 +0200 Subject: Tangofied Fedora Logo Icon In-Reply-To: <1185620602.5520.28.camel@ubuntu> References: <45B772A8.50202@redhat.com> <1169772227.4464.14.camel@dawkins> <45BA13FB.4060204@stephenbrandt.com> <45BA35E7.60407@redhat.com> <461D6B24.6040909@stephenbrandt.com> <4624E3FB.5020704@stephenbrandt.com> <41694.65.223.36.19.1176849280.squirrel@webmail.thecodergeek.com> <46AA5008.5010706@stephenbrandt.com> <1185606017.3638.42.camel@tuxhugs> <1185620602.5520.28.camel@ubuntu> Message-ID: <6e24a8e80707300515u33e4d91av1befe038ea6bd8bf@mail.gmail.com> > [1] http://stephenbrandt.com/tango-icons/fedora/fedora.png That's a nice looking logo! but some other attempts (not by tango as far as i know) has been done in the past and till now i've only seen reactions of that as in: "it's a violation of our logo guidelines" or something like it. I hope it's different for your logo. From stephen at stephenbrandt.com Mon Jul 30 12:48:18 2007 From: stephen at stephenbrandt.com (Stephen Brandt) Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2007 14:48:18 +0200 Subject: Tangofied Fedora Logo Icon In-Reply-To: <6e24a8e80707300515u33e4d91av1befe038ea6bd8bf@mail.gmail.com> References: <45B772A8.50202@redhat.com> <1169772227.4464.14.camel@dawkins> <45BA13FB.4060204@stephenbrandt.com> <45BA35E7.60407@redhat.com> <461D6B24.6040909@stephenbrandt.com> <4624E3FB.5020704@stephenbrandt.com> <41694.65.223.36.19.1176849280.squirrel@webmail.thecodergeek.com> <46AA5008.5010706@stephenbrandt.com> <1185606017.3638.42.camel@tuxhugs> <1185620602.5520.28.camel@ubuntu> <6e24a8e80707300515u33e4d91av1befe038ea6bd8bf@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <46ADDE12.40201@stephenbrandt.com> > That's a nice looking logo! > Thanks (Although I didn't make any logo, just an icon out of a logo). > but some other attempts (not by tango as far as i know) has been done > in the past and till now i've only seen reactions of that as in: "it's > a violation of our logo guidelines" or something like it. > > I hope it's different for your logo. > Peter is going to try get it official. 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Thanks. > I have no idea about this, but I am sure you can find inside the distro > a few variants of the logo in GPL packages. Maybe also CC-BY-SA, but I > am not the authority on this. I will dig into this a bit more and see if I can coordinate this effort with other maintainers who use the logo in their packages. Thank you, Nicu! -- Peter Gordon (codergeek42) GnuPG Public Key ID: 0xFFC19479 / Fingerprint: DD68 A414 56BD 6368 D957 9666 4268 CB7A FFC1 9479 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Thanks. > I have no idea about this, but I am sure you can find inside the distro > a few variants of the logo in GPL packages. Maybe also CC-BY-SA, but I > am not the authority on this. I will dig into this a bit more and see if I can coordinate this effort with other maintainers who use the logo in their packages. Thank you, Nicu! -- Peter Gordon (codergeek42) GnuPG Public Key ID: 0xFFC19479 / Fingerprint: DD68 A414 56BD 6368 D957 9666 4268 CB7A FFC1 9479 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From tatadbb at gmail.com Mon Jul 30 16:22:09 2007 From: tatadbb at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Mar=EDa_Leandro?=) Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2007 12:22:09 -0400 Subject: uploading a mascot Message-ID: <27a6293b0707300922k37a5f28exd88595e4e8db0880@mail.gmail.com> Hi everyone!! I have a possible mascot that I would like to add to the wiki, but I really don't know if I should modify the wiki by myself or give my art to someone. I already have editing privileges as the list shows [1] So, I would like to know if I should wait for something else to upload my contribution about this issue. Thanks! :D [1] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/EditGroup <== MariaLeandro -- tatica Maria Gracia Leandro www.tatica.org www.fedora-ve.org http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/MariaLeandro LinuxUser= 440285 *GPG Public Key*: E1CDCC56 "Be yourself... Don't be anyone else" -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ben.arnold.inbox at gmail.com Mon Jul 30 16:33:10 2007 From: ben.arnold.inbox at gmail.com (Ben Arnold) Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2007 17:33:10 +0100 Subject: uploading a mascot In-Reply-To: <27a6293b0707300922k37a5f28exd88595e4e8db0880@mail.gmail.com> References: <27a6293b0707300922k37a5f28exd88595e4e8db0880@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <9c3bfa1d0707300933n3e44944eidd29ed8febe7de38@mail.gmail.com> On 30/07/07, Mar?a Leandro wrote: > > Hi everyone!! > > I have a possible mascot that I would like to add to the wiki, but I really > don't know if I should modify the wiki by myself or give my art to someone. > > I already have editing privileges as the list shows [1] > > > So, I would like to know if I should wait for something else to upload my > contribution about this issue. > Go ahead and do it yourself; add the image using the Attatchments link to the right of the wiki page and upload it. Go back to the page and click Edit, typing in something like: [attachment:MariaMascot1.png] where you want it to be placed. Use the Preview button to see if it's right. This can be a bit slow sometimes, patience will pay off! Don't worry, there is always a way of pulling it back if it all goes wrong :) -- | ..// seawolf //.. | | Ben Arnold | | e-mail / msn / icq / web | | http://clik.to/seawolfsanctuary | | ben.arnold.inbox (at) gmail.com | | iamseawolf (at) gmail (dot) com | | GnuPG Available - ask me! | From tatadbb at gmail.com Mon Jul 30 17:19:26 2007 From: tatadbb at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Mar=EDa_Leandro?=) Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2007 13:19:26 -0400 Subject: uploading a mascot In-Reply-To: <9c3bfa1d0707300933n3e44944eidd29ed8febe7de38@mail.gmail.com> References: <27a6293b0707300922k37a5f28exd88595e4e8db0880@mail.gmail.com> <9c3bfa1d0707300933n3e44944eidd29ed8febe7de38@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <27a6293b0707301019g19af48dg1203017be91cf06a@mail.gmail.com> all done!!! thanks a lot xD 2007/7/30, Ben Arnold : > > On 30/07/07, Mar?a Leandro wrote: > > > > Hi everyone!! > > > > I have a possible mascot that I would like to add to the wiki, but I > really > > don't know if I should modify the wiki by myself or give my art to > someone. > > > > I already have editing privileges as the list shows [1] > > > > > > So, I would like to know if I should wait for something else to upload > my > > contribution about this issue. > > > > Go ahead and do it yourself; add the image using the Attatchments link > to the right of the wiki page and upload it. Go back to the page and > click Edit, typing in something like: > > [attachment:MariaMascot1.png] > > where you want it to be placed. Use the Preview button to see if it's > right. This can be a bit slow sometimes, patience will pay off! > > Don't worry, there is always a way of pulling it back if it all goes wrong > :) > > -- > | ..// seawolf //.. | > | Ben Arnold | > | e-mail / msn / icq / web | > | http://clik.to/seawolfsanctuary | > | ben.arnold.inbox (at) gmail.com | > | iamseawolf (at) gmail (dot) com | > | GnuPG Available - ask me! | > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list > -- tatica Maria Gracia Leandro www.tatica.org www.fedora-ve.org LinuxUser= 440285 "Be yourself... Don't be anyone else" -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From duffy at redhat.com Mon Jul 30 18:11:08 2007 From: duffy at redhat.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?M=E1ir=ED=ADn_Duffy?=) Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2007 14:11:08 -0400 Subject: Tangofied Fedora Logo Icon In-Reply-To: <1185606017.3638.42.camel@tuxhugs> References: <45B772A8.50202@redhat.com> <45B7D426.9080805@redhat.com> <42591.65.223.36.19.1169678706.squirrel@thecodergeek.com> <45B7E359.80907@redhat.com> <45B80327.10608@stephenbrandt.com> <45B8D14B.7090201@redhat.com> <1169759722.4107.11.camel@dawkins> <45B93E5C.8030806@stephenbrandt.com> <1169772227.4464.14.camel@dawkins> <45BA13FB.4060204@stephenbrandt.com> <45BA35E7.60407@redhat.com> <461D6B24.6040909@stephenbrandt.com> <4624E3FB.5020704@stephenbrandt.com> <41694.65.223.36.19.1176849280.squirrel@webmail.thecodergeek.com> <46AA5008.5010706@stephenbrandt.com> <1185606017.3638.42.camel@tuxhugs> Message-ID: <46AE29BC.9080107@redhat.com> Hi Peter, Peter Gordon wrote: > Art List, Essentially the issue is that there is a Tango-ified Fedora > logo [1] that I'd like to include in a downstream package of the Tango > icon theme instead of the default pair of feet as the icon for the GNOME > main menu; but I am attempting to get it approved legally, since it is a > trademark of the Fedora Project and I do not want to abuse or violate > any of the trademark guidelines. I am the maintainer of the logo at fedoraproject.org queue and I approve logo requests. Your usage of the logo seems fine to me; can you send me a formal request for using the Fedora logo at logo at fedoraproject.org so I have a record of your request & approval? Thanks, ~m From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Tue Jul 31 07:31:44 2007 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2007 10:31:44 +0300 Subject: uploading a mascot In-Reply-To: <27a6293b0707300922k37a5f28exd88595e4e8db0880@mail.gmail.com> References: <27a6293b0707300922k37a5f28exd88595e4e8db0880@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <46AEE560.50204@nicubunu.ro> Mar?a Leandro wrote: > > Hi everyone!! > > I have a possible mascot that I would like to add to the wiki, but I > really don't know if I should modify the wiki by myself or give my art > to someone. I see you already uploaded the image, which is a very good looking image, I like it very much. Welcome! I hope you will not mind a couple of suggestions: - a good way to get other involved with your work is to make the sources available, so they can easily download, tweak, modify; - I said, I like it very much but I don't think it can work well as a mascot: * usually mascots are not humans * is better for a mascot to have a simpler shape, so it can be easily re-created by other people This does not mean the graphic can't be used in any way, have a look at this poster made by Mairin as an example of how I believe we can use non-mascot graphics: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SummerOfCode/Posters Being new, I will use this opportunity to introduce you a few projects our team is working on, you may know them, other people on the list know them (and even contributed to them): - Design Service: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/DesignService is an initiative for our group to act as a design firm creating graphics for various entities inside Fedora. Its request queue has increased in size and could use some help; - Desktop Themes: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/F8Themes/ we are approaching the end date for the Round 2, so the base ideas for this cycle are defined, but we still need more feedback, adjustments, polishing. I will also introduce you to some places where you can interact with the community: - Mugshot has a pretty inactive Fedora Art group http://mugshot.org/group?who=DrZ42qVjmPWmnh but a more active general Fedora group http://mugshot.org/group?who=qF6wdtBPcy3D8T - deviantART is a place where many of us publish so we have there a group: http://fedora-art.deviantart.com/ - our flickr group http://flickr.com/groups/fedora-art/ is used very little, but if we like it, is possible to use it more. Do I forgot something? -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Tue Jul 31 08:18:33 2007 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2007 11:18:33 +0300 Subject: Virtual FudCon Message-ID: <46AEF059.4090706@nicubunu.ro> I just read about the Virtual FudCon - http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/JefSpaleta/VirtualFudCon and I think it would be cool for the Art Team to take part in some way. It is somewhat aligned with the end of Round 2 for the wallpaper theme, so maybe someone want to talk about this or maybe about Nodoka or Echo. Also we can try to get our own hackfest with work on Nodoka, wallpapers, icons, mascots, website layout, whatever. -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro