From baerjj at gmail.com Thu Mar 1 00:19:52 2007 From: baerjj at gmail.com (John Baer) Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2007 19:19:52 -0500 Subject: Red Hat Magazine: The Open Palette In-Reply-To: <20070228061734.CA7C472F38@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20070228061734.CA7C472F38@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1172708392.3542.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> Mo wrote: > Check out Nicu's (with some help from me :) ) Inkscape article that > just > got published to Red Hat Magazine today: > +1 +1 Wow this is exactly what I hoped would happen. Great work on the article! John From stickster at gmail.com Thu Mar 1 02:21:49 2007 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2007 21:21:49 -0500 Subject: artTeam Home Page Mockup In-Reply-To: <45E57F57.70501@nicubunu.ro> References: <484ace5d0702260541s2db0c148h6ddd2aa6bfd2c568@mail.gmail.com> <45E4CA7B.8040709@redhat.com> <1172622229.9407.10.camel@localhost.localdomain> <45E57F57.70501@nicubunu.ro> Message-ID: <1172715709.27726.22.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Wed, 2007-02-28 at 15:10 +0200, Nicu Buculei wrote: > Paul W. Frields wrote: > > On Tue, 2007-02-27 at 19:19 -0500, M?ir?n Duffy wrote: > > [...snip...] > >> (I do not think that putting together an > >> extra theme package for (the artist formerly known as) extras requires > >> working with Desktop team at all, although we will need someone with > >> some packaging experience to help us put it together.) > > > > I'm not a packaging *guru*, but I've been packaging a few odds and ends > > for a while now, and if I didn't mention it before, I'm happy to help > > out with this part. > > Is possible to make a package that at install time change the wallpaper > for all users? Not in a way that would pass Fedora guidelines, and for good reasons. Wallpaper shouldn't be forced on users in a multi-user system. > I think a package for an alternate theme should change: GRUB splash, > RHGB screen, GDM theme, wallpaper. Maybe even the screensaver graphic, > but I am not sure about that. For the first three, yes. For the fourth, make it available, yes. I'm not sure about the fifth either, but certainly it could be made available at least (I think). -- Paul W. Frields, RHCE http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 Fedora Project: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/PaulWFrields irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From stickster at gmail.com Thu Mar 1 02:24:57 2007 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2007 21:24:57 -0500 Subject: artTeam Home Page Mockup In-Reply-To: <484ace5d0702281043i344a8ce3w8aed3d33c466ddaa@mail.gmail.com> References: <484ace5d0702281043i344a8ce3w8aed3d33c466ddaa@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1172715897.27726.25.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Wed, 2007-02-28 at 13:43 -0500, John Baer wrote: > All, > > The ArtTeam mockup is looking too good (thanks Mo) to stay in my > SandBox so I moved it a new home. > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ArtTeam > > I do not know what url makes the most sense "/wiki/ArtTeam", or > "/wiki/ArtWork/ArtTeam", or "wiki/FedoraTeams/Art" but in my mind the > first choice was logical. > :) Please feel free to rename the page. > > My desire is to clear the .../SandBox to start mockups for some of the > other pages we discussed. I don't think this should be in a top-level name space in addition to the existing Artwork space. It should either replace it (and gobble up any necessary content) or sit below it. Hierarchy still has a visual meaning that will cause this to be confusing to people who search for "art." -- Paul W. Frields, RHCE http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 Fedora Project: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/PaulWFrields irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From stickster at gmail.com Thu Mar 1 02:30:45 2007 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2007 21:30:45 -0500 Subject: Getting a better sense of community - gallery based groups In-Reply-To: <45E537F9.8090302@nicubunu.ro> References: <45E5115E.3050507@redhat.com> <45E537F9.8090302@nicubunu.ro> Message-ID: <1172716245.27726.29.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Wed, 2007-02-28 at 10:06 +0200, Nicu Buculei wrote: > 7) the Infrastructure project plan to offer hosting space, > developers.fedoraproject.org and people.fedoraproject.org: use this > space and host our own solution > > ccHost is what we are using at http://openclipart.org - the software > have a lot of features: users, feeds for everything, comments, ratings. > Is not very mature in my experience but is sponsored by Creative > Commons. Can be configured to use a lot of file types, including SVG. > > 8) again, in our own hosting space run an instance of Gallery > (http://gallery.menalto.com/) - I don't have any experience with > installation or administration, but from the website it seems it > recently it gained support for RSS feeds IIRC the Infrastructure team won't support hosting for PHP apps, for security reasons among others. I don't know anything about ccHost, is it PHP based? (I know Gallery is.) -- Paul W. Frields, RHCE http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 Fedora Project: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/PaulWFrields irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Thu Mar 1 02:42:34 2007 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Thu, 01 Mar 2007 08:12:34 +0530 Subject: Getting a better sense of community - gallery based groups In-Reply-To: <1172716245.27726.29.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <45E5115E.3050507@redhat.com> <45E537F9.8090302@nicubunu.ro> <1172716245.27726.29.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <45E63D9A.7060502@fedoraproject.org> Paul W. Frields wrote: > IIRC the Infrastructure team won't support hosting for PHP apps, for > security reasons among others. I don't know anything about ccHost, is > it PHP based? (I know Gallery is.) > Unfortunately, yes. Rahul From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Thu Mar 1 06:33:46 2007 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Thu, 01 Mar 2007 08:33:46 +0200 Subject: Getting a better sense of community - gallery based groups In-Reply-To: <1172716245.27726.29.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <45E5115E.3050507@redhat.com> <45E537F9.8090302@nicubunu.ro> <1172716245.27726.29.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <45E673CA.3040908@nicubunu.ro> Paul W. Frields wrote: > > IIRC the Infrastructure team won't support hosting for PHP apps, for > security reasons among others. I don't know anything about ccHost, is > it PHP based? (I know Gallery is.) https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-infrastructure-list/2007-February/msg00113.html "Static content and basic scripting, TurboGears, python, php, perl, etc." It seems php will be allowed. Both those applications are php based but probably we have alternatives I don't know about. -- nicu Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Thu Mar 1 07:09:18 2007 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Thu, 01 Mar 2007 09:09:18 +0200 Subject: Getting a better sense of community - gallery based groups In-Reply-To: <45E5115E.3050507@redhat.com> References: <45E5115E.3050507@redhat.com> Message-ID: <45E67C1E.1060902@nicubunu.ro> M?ir?n Duffy wrote: > > 2) Set up a Deviant art community - > > Disadvantages: > - the RSS feeds don't actually embed the image, they only provide a > link. (does anyone know if it embeds the image for paid subscription > accounts? I'd be willing to donate the $$ if so.) This is a dA paid subscription: http://inkscapers.deviantart.com/ and its gallery feed: http://backend.deviantart.com/rss.xml?q=by%3Ainkscapers+sort%3Atime+-in%3Ascraps&type=deviation Is exactly the same as for an unpaid account. > 5) Something else? > > I looked briefly at shadowness.com, which is pretty similar to > deviantart but they have explicit groups *and* their RSS feeds embed > images. However, their copyright policies are pretty weird. I've also > never heard of it before (have any of you?) Not sure how > reliable/trustworthy it is? Flickr and deviantart have both been around > a while. > > Any others we should look at? > > Any preferences / comments / ideas? I did more thinking about hosting and aggregating (if we decide to run our own gallery): - for hosting: not everybody has his own hosting solution, is willing to pay for one and all free services are less then perfect. So for those in heed a gallery or something provided by Fedora could be very useful. - for aggregating only: if we host content, then we probably will want to police it, so only aggregation will provide more freedom to the contributors. -- nicu Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From stickster at gmail.com Thu Mar 1 15:37:42 2007 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Thu, 01 Mar 2007 10:37:42 -0500 Subject: Getting a better sense of community - gallery based groups In-Reply-To: <45E673CA.3040908@nicubunu.ro> References: <45E5115E.3050507@redhat.com> <45E537F9.8090302@nicubunu.ro> <1172716245.27726.29.camel@localhost.localdomain> <45E673CA.3040908@nicubunu.ro> Message-ID: <1172763462.31548.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Thu, 2007-03-01 at 08:33 +0200, Nicu Buculei wrote: > Paul W. Frields wrote: > > > > IIRC the Infrastructure team won't support hosting for PHP apps, for > > security reasons among others. I don't know anything about ccHost, is > > it PHP based? (I know Gallery is.) > > https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-infrastructure-list/2007-February/msg00113.html > "Static content and basic scripting, TurboGears, python, php, perl, etc." > > It seems php will be allowed. > > Both those applications are php based but probably we have alternatives > I don't know about. Fantastic, then! -- Paul W. Frields, RHCE http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 Fedora Project: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/PaulWFrields irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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(Anonymous) -- From baerjj at gmail.com Thu Mar 1 23:57:30 2007 From: baerjj at gmail.com (John Baer) Date: Thu, 01 Mar 2007 18:57:30 -0500 Subject: Getting a better sense of community - gallery based In-Reply-To: <20070301080300.F41EF72F4F@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20070301080300.F41EF72F4F@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1172793450.3540.9.camel@localhost.localdomain> Nicu wrote: > > I did more thinking about hosting and aggregating (if we decide to > run > our own gallery): > > - for hosting: not everybody has his own hosting solution, is willing > to > pay for one and all free services are less then perfect. So for those > in > heed a gallery or something provided by Fedora could be very useful. > > - for aggregating only: if we host content, then we probably will > want > to police it, so only aggregation will provide more freedom to the > contributors. Nicu, You and Mo have a much better sense of this than I but in my mind if we don't host our own solution we lose opportunities to "promote Fedora". By that I mean what if the Fedora gallery became the defacto standard for the exchange of computer art? :) I believe the group has the talent and that would be very exciting. Cheers, John From baerjj at gmail.com Fri Mar 2 00:12:37 2007 From: baerjj at gmail.com (John Baer) Date: Thu, 01 Mar 2007 19:12:37 -0500 Subject: artTeam Home Page Mockup In-Reply-To: <20070228061734.CA7C472F38@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20070228061734.CA7C472F38@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1172794357.3540.24.camel@localhost.localdomain> Mo wrote: > (I do not think that putting together an > extra theme package for (the artist formerly known as) extras > requires > working with Desktop team at all, although we will need someone with > some packaging experience to help us put it together.) I was thinking more along a buffet style theme. For example, break down the artwork of Fedora 6 into the changeable GDM components (ie. grub, rhgb, login, and wallpaper). Craft a how-to wiki page to describes how-to build the images and include an optional install script. Not as automated as a "RPM" package but very flexible (ie. I like grub, rhgb, but dislike gdm login). For those who desire to build and package new themes, this info is a good start. IMO flexibility and freedom of choice is key. I thought I would mock up a "GRUB" page to see how it plays out. John From dimitris at glezos.com Fri Mar 2 01:16:42 2007 From: dimitris at glezos.com (Dimitris Glezos) Date: Fri, 02 Mar 2007 01:16:42 +0000 Subject: Wiki page with often-used colors Message-ID: <45E77AFA.10109@glezos.com> Hey all. In the quest to make the wiki more usable I tried to find a wiki page of the Artwork project with commonly-used Fedora colors. Since I found none, I created one [1]: [1]: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/FedoraColors I'm hoping this page will host a bunch of colors we often use and probably some contrasts to them, so that we don't have to re-invent the wheel every time we need to create something. So, to everyone who used a nice color sometime for Fedora: Please add the color to the table! :) There's a similar table on [2], but I was hoping for a much more Fedora-specific one. -d [2]: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/EchoIconGuidelines -- Dimitris Glezos Jabber ID: glezos at jabber.org, GPG: 0xA5A04C3B http://dimitris.glezos.com/ "He who gives up functionality for ease of use loses both and deserves neither." (Anonymous) -- From duffy at redhat.com Fri Mar 2 04:29:33 2007 From: duffy at redhat.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?M=E1ir=EDn_Duffy?=) Date: Thu, 01 Mar 2007 23:29:33 -0500 Subject: Getting a better sense of community - gallery based In-Reply-To: <1172793450.3540.9.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <20070301080300.F41EF72F4F@hormel.redhat.com> <1172793450.3540.9.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <45E7A82D.30007@redhat.com> John Baer wrote: > You and Mo have a much better sense of this than I but in my mind if we > don't host our own solution we lose opportunities to "promote Fedora". > By that I mean what if the Fedora gallery became the defacto standard > for the exchange of computer art? :) > > I believe the group has the talent and that would be very exciting. I kind of think, though, this is what we had concluded about a year ago and since the results have basically been nothing over this long timespan, I think it's better to just admit that it is not easy to build something like this and focus on the artwork instead. Start a community now somewhere and hopefully migrate to a Fedora-hosted, Fedora-based solution is probably better than to not have artwork-sharing community at all. As it is, some of us have been using deviantart but it's not been an 'official' channel for folks to share artwork; if we're going to have one anyway we might as well make sure everyone knows about it and can participate. Does that make sense? ~m From duffy at redhat.com Fri Mar 2 04:38:16 2007 From: duffy at redhat.com (=?UTF-8?B?TcOhaXLDrW4gRHVmZnk=?=) Date: Thu, 01 Mar 2007 23:38:16 -0500 Subject: Wiki page with often-used colors In-Reply-To: <45E77AFA.10109@glezos.com> References: <45E77AFA.10109@glezos.com> Message-ID: <45E7AA38.8020605@redhat.com> Hey Dimitris! Dimitris Glezos wrote: > I'm hoping this page will host a bunch of colors we often use and probably some > contrasts to them, so that we don't have to re-invent the wheel every time we > need to create something. Cool idea! > So, to everyone who used a nice color sometime for Fedora: Please add the color > to the table! :) > > There's a similar table on [2], but I was hoping for a much more Fedora-specific > one. These are some colors that 'mathematically' go along with the official Fedora logo colors: http://mihmo.livejournal.com/37350.html There's an inkscape SVG of the swatches there as well as a gimp palette file (*.gpl) that can be used with inkscape or the gimp. Feel free to snag it for your color wiki page (or I can add it when I have time if you think its a good idea) :-D ~m From baerjj at gmail.com Fri Mar 2 00:37:19 2007 From: baerjj at gmail.com (John Baer) Date: Thu, 01 Mar 2007 19:37:19 -0500 Subject: artTeam Home Page Mockup In-Reply-To: <20070301080300.F41EF72F4F@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20070301080300.F41EF72F4F@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1172795839.3540.45.camel@localhost.localdomain> Paul wrote: > I don't think this should be in a top-level name space in addition to > the existing Artwork space. It should either replace it (and gobble > up > any necessary content) or sit below it. Hierarchy still has a visual > meaning that will cause this to be confusing to people who search for > "art." Is the desire of the team to replace the content of the ArtWork wiki page with the content of the ArtTeam wiki page? Do so would remove ArtTeam from the wiki hierarchy but it would still show up on a search. If we used "Team" as a subpage the hierarchy would flow like this. ArtWork (now the team's home page) ArtWork/Fc6Customizations (team sub project) ArtWork/InkscapeTutorials (team sub project) ArtWork/Team/GoalsObjectives ArtWork/Team/Meeting030107 John From jjmasek at gmail.com Fri Mar 2 07:16:21 2007 From: jjmasek at gmail.com (Jiri Jakub Masek) Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2007 08:16:21 +0100 Subject: CONFUSION? Message-ID: Hi, there (http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/artwork) is an appeal there: *HELP WANTED .....Help out with FC7's theme* isn't it a confusion? *More info* does not give an information about the time of the end of contributing this theme, or does it? Or things are different from I think? Dating such appeals could be helpful for people like me, they still learning English. JJM -- I'm still learning English... Ji?? Jakub Ma?ek - Mr Jiri Jakub Masek Czech Republic, European Union http://jjm.xf.cz -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Fri Mar 2 07:50:12 2007 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Fri, 02 Mar 2007 09:50:12 +0200 Subject: Getting a better sense of community - gallery based In-Reply-To: <1172793450.3540.9.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <20070301080300.F41EF72F4F@hormel.redhat.com> <1172793450.3540.9.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <45E7D734.2000005@nicubunu.ro> John Baer wrote: > Nicu wrote: >> >> - for aggregating only: if we host content, then we probably will >> want >> to police it, so only aggregation will provide more freedom to the >> contributors. > > You and Mo have a much better sense of this than I but in my mind if we > don't host our own solution we lose opportunities to "promote Fedora". > By that I mean what if the Fedora gallery became the defacto standard > for the exchange of computer art? :) OK, I think it is the case to speak more directly about what I have in my mind: for a project (be it Art or anything else) to be successful, they key is to give its users what they want. Some users want to get and some contributors may want to offer some content which fedoraproject.org may not want to host (direct jokes on Microsoft or other competitors, NSFW stuff, etc.). I suspect we will not want to host this stuff but will be OK with aggregating it. In any case, we *will* host something, be it the full gallery or an aggregation of galleries hosted elsewhere, so we will not lose the opportunity to promote. -- nicu Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Fri Mar 2 08:03:47 2007 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Fri, 02 Mar 2007 10:03:47 +0200 Subject: Red Hat Magazine: The Open Palette In-Reply-To: <1172708392.3542.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <20070228061734.CA7C472F38@hormel.redhat.com> <1172708392.3542.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <45E7DA63.7060707@nicubunu.ro> John Baer wrote: > Mo wrote: >> Check out Nicu's (with some help from me :) ) Inkscape article that >> just >> got published to Red Hat Magazine today: > > Wow this is exactly what I hoped would happen. Great work on the > article! John, then you may like also a couple of GIMP tutorials I published recently on my own site. Those are freely redistributable (CC-BY-SA): http://howto.nicubunu.ro/jump_out_gimp/ http://howto.nicubunu.ro/gimp_jigsaw_puzzle/ -- nicu Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From luya_tfz at thefinalzone.com Fri Mar 2 08:09:32 2007 From: luya_tfz at thefinalzone.com (Luya Tshimbalanga) Date: Fri, 02 Mar 2007 00:09:32 -0800 Subject: CONFUSION? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <45E7DBBC.5060009@thefinalzone.com> The theme is already set in stone, Flying High is selected and goes into polishing stage. The wiki page is not updated [1] to reflect the change. Other tasks to be done are: - More Echo icons development (artist should choose the icons they want to work on and apply it on the wiki) - Providing wallpapers from previous Fedora release without numbering version[2] - Developing widgets for the wiki[3] - Possible helping other project like desktop and website [1]http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/FC7Themes [2]http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork#head-864a9d1ec6b1166b512e33156f57e168c4f95da7 [3]http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/Widgets -- ??D0 This is a request to provide a comparison chart for the number of icons done for Echo with Tango and Generic icons. I think the focus should be on the generic icons instead of application based icons that can be done on post Fedora 7. -- ??D0 References: Message-ID: <45E7D9BE.3080405@nicubunu.ro> Jiri Jakub Masek wrote: > Hi, there (http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/artwork) is an appeal there: > *HELP WANTED .....Help out with FC7's theme* isn't it a confusion? > *More info* does not give an information about the time of the end of > contributing this theme, or does it? Or things are different from I > think? Dating such appeals could be helpful for people like me, they > still learning English. You are right to be confused, the info on that page is obsolete in the light of the last evolutions inside the project, the call for help with F7 theming could /should be deleted. The relevant info for out team is located at http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ArtTeam (I thought that was supposed to replace the current Artwork page). -- nicu Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From nisses.mail at home.se Fri Mar 2 08:49:55 2007 From: nisses.mail at home.se (Andreas Nilsson) Date: Fri, 02 Mar 2007 09:49:55 +0100 Subject: Echo-icon-theme status In-Reply-To: <45E7DBF2.1090400@thefinalzone.com> References: <45E7DBF2.1090400@thefinalzone.com> Message-ID: <45E7E533.5070904@home.se> Luya Tshimbalanga wrote: > This is a request to provide a comparison chart for the number of icons > done for Echo with Tango and Generic icons. > > I think the focus should be on the generic icons instead of application > based icons that can be done on post Fedora 7. > Generic? Do you mean gnome-icon-theme? - Andreas From luya_tfz at thefinalzone.com Fri Mar 2 10:05:40 2007 From: luya_tfz at thefinalzone.com (Luya Tshimbalanga) Date: Fri, 02 Mar 2007 02:05:40 -0800 Subject: Echo-icon-theme status In-Reply-To: <45E7E533.5070904@home.se> References: <45E7DBF2.1090400@thefinalzone.com> <45E7E533.5070904@home.se> Message-ID: <45E7F6F4.3010906@thefinalzone.com> Andreas Nilsson wrote: > Luya Tshimbalanga wrote: >> This is a request to provide a comparison chart for the number of icons >> done for Echo with Tango and Generic icons. >> >> I think the focus should be on the generic icons instead of application >> based icons that can be done on post Fedora 7. >> > Generic? > Do you mean gnome-icon-theme? > - Andreas Yes, gnome-icon-theme. -- ??D0 References: <20070301080300.F41EF72F4F@hormel.redhat.com> <1172793450.3540.9.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <45E7FC0B.1010501@mesias.co.uk> John While there's talk of hosting and aggregating... I know you've mentioned deviantart. It might be worth taking a look at art.gnome.org for ideas too. Recently they changed policy to accept only Gnome related backdrops (I had contribbed some Nature / Abstract ones). I was a bit disappointed even though they seem to still be accepting non-Gnome stuff. Worth a look for ideas anyway. -Cam -- camilo at mesias.co.uk <-- From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Fri Mar 2 11:21:17 2007 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Fri, 02 Mar 2007 13:21:17 +0200 Subject: Getting a better sense of community - gallery based In-Reply-To: <45E7FC0B.1010501@mesias.co.uk> References: <20070301080300.F41EF72F4F@hormel.redhat.com> <1172793450.3540.9.camel@localhost.localdomain> <45E7FC0B.1010501@mesias.co.uk> Message-ID: <45E808AD.2000506@nicubunu.ro> Cam wrote: > John > > While there's talk of hosting and aggregating... I know you've mentioned > deviantart. It might be worth taking a look at art.gnome.org for ideas too. Using art.gnome.org was one of the ideas proposed by Mairin but she also said "I don't think we have the resources for something like that right now". And we don't have the resources, but I have hope the Infrastructure project will offer some additional resources, is up to us to offer manpower. > Recently they changed policy to accept only Gnome related backdrops (I > had contribbed some Nature / Abstract ones). I was a bit disappointed > even though they seem to still be accepting non-Gnome stuff. I also contributes in the past a few graphics to art.gnome.org so I can say it lack some needed features (no direct upload from users, no control over your own work, no RSS feeds for each user). AFAIK, a new version of the backend in under work, so maybe it would have those features. -- nicu Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From dimitris at glezos.com Fri Mar 2 14:05:28 2007 From: dimitris at glezos.com (Dimitris Glezos) Date: Fri, 02 Mar 2007 14:05:28 +0000 Subject: Wiki page with often-used colors In-Reply-To: <45E7AA38.8020605@redhat.com> References: <45E77AFA.10109@glezos.com> <45E7AA38.8020605@redhat.com> Message-ID: <45E82F28.2010605@glezos.com> O/H M?ir?n Duffy ??????: > Dimitris Glezos wrote: >> I'm hoping this page will host a bunch of colors we often use and >> probably some >> contrasts to them, so that we don't have to re-invent the wheel every >> time we >> need to create something. > > Cool idea! > > These are some colors that 'mathematically' go along with the official > Fedora logo colors: > > http://mihmo.livejournal.com/37350.html Thanks M?ir?n, I forgot about that. Of course its a good idea. The more colors the better. I've added it to the References section of the page. -d > There's an inkscape SVG of the swatches there as well as a gimp palette > file (*.gpl) that can be used with inkscape or the gimp. Feel free to > snag it for your color wiki page (or I can add it when I have time if > you think its a good idea) > > :-D > > ~m -- Dimitris Glezos Jabber ID: glezos at jabber.org, GPG: 0xA5A04C3B http://dimitris.glezos.com/ "He who gives up functionality for ease of use loses both and deserves neither." (Anonymous) -- From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Sat Mar 3 03:10:38 2007 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Sat, 03 Mar 2007 08:40:38 +0530 Subject: artTeam Home Page Mockup In-Reply-To: <45E4EB7F.6060405@redhat.com> References: <484ace5d0702260541s2db0c148h6ddd2aa6bfd2c568@mail.gmail.com> <45E4EB7F.6060405@redhat.com> Message-ID: <45E8E72E.8020508@fedoraproject.org> M?ir?n Duffy wrote: > > 1) Overall does this seem reasonable as a replacement for the existing > art page? Is there anything we're forgetting? Yes but now we are left with two pages - ArtTeam and Artwork. The artwork specifications are also duplicated in two pages. > > 2) An intentional omission here is any reference to the default artwork. > Does anyone not agree with this? If the artwork handled by Red Hat Desktop team just specify that. That would be more appropriate for folks new to the project to understand who owns what. Rahul From dfong at redhat.com Sat Mar 3 18:53:22 2007 From: dfong at redhat.com (Diana Fong) Date: Sat, 03 Mar 2007 13:53:22 -0500 Subject: Request: User Image Submissions - Deadline March 15, 2007 Message-ID: <45E9C422.80800@redhat.com> Hello All, With the implementation of Face-browser login [1] and Fast User Switching for Fedora 7, a good set of User Images will add polish to the user experience. It is obvious that some of the existing User Images (located at /user/share/pixmaps/faces) would benefit from an update. Thus, if you are interested in submitting images, or suggestions of what you would like to see, for one of the 24 default images, please contribute by: - posting to this thread, - [preferably] posting your submission(s) to Open Clip Art and Tag as ?userimage?(but without the quotes). Please be sure to tag it properly, as tags are case sensitive and the final set will be collected via tag search. - emailing me directly at dfong at redhat.com and I will upload to Open Clip Art for you. Deadline for submissions will be March 15 to make it in time for Fedora 7 Feature Freeze. After that, on March 16th, the 24 default images will be determined by myself and Visual Designers from Red Hat and from other distros. NOTE: ALL submitted images WILL have a home unless it has inappropriate content. All images, even the ones replaced from the current set will be packaged and included to provide more choices to Users. For additional information please see the original post at [2]. [1] http://www.flickr.com/photos/davidz/406452040/ [2] http://www.isity.net/blog/?p=63 Thanks, Diana Fong ---- Red Hat Visual Designer From duffy at redhat.com Sat Mar 3 19:14:37 2007 From: duffy at redhat.com (=?windows-1252?Q?M=E1ir=EDn_Duffy?=) Date: Sat, 03 Mar 2007 14:14:37 -0500 Subject: [Fwd: Request: User Image Submissions - Deadline March 15, 2007] Message-ID: <45E9C91D.7010506@redhat.com> Looks like this never made the art-list itself. Might be good to know. ~m -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Request: User Image Submissions - Deadline March 15, 2007 Date: Sat, 03 Mar 2007 13:53:22 -0500 From: Diana Fong Reply-To: dfong at redhat.com, "Discussions about the artwork included with Fedora, including icons, themes, and wallpapers." Organization: Red Hat To: fedora-desktop-list at redhat.com CC: Discussions about the artwork included with Fedora, including icons, themes, and wallpapers. Hello All, With the implementation of Face-browser login [1] and Fast User Switching for Fedora 7, a good set of User Images will add polish to the user experience. It is obvious that some of the existing User Images (located at /user/share/pixmaps/faces) would benefit from an update. Thus, if you are interested in submitting images, or suggestions of what you would like to see, for one of the 24 default images, please contribute by: - posting to this thread, - [preferably] posting your submission(s) to Open Clip Art and Tag as ?userimage?(but without the quotes). Please be sure to tag it properly, as tags are case sensitive and the final set will be collected via tag search. - emailing me directly at dfong at redhat.com and I will upload to Open Clip Art for you. Deadline for submissions will be March 15 to make it in time for Fedora 7 Feature Freeze. After that, on March 16th, the 24 default images will be determined by myself and Visual Designers from Red Hat and from other distros. NOTE: ALL submitted images WILL have a home unless it has inappropriate content. All images, even the ones replaced from the current set will be packaged and included to provide more choices to Users. For additional information please see the original post at [2]. [1] http://www.flickr.com/photos/davidz/406452040/ [2] http://www.isity.net/blog/?p=63 Thanks, Diana Fong ---- Red Hat Visual Designer _______________________________________________ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list at redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list From duffy at redhat.com Sat Mar 3 19:16:59 2007 From: duffy at redhat.com (=?windows-1252?Q?M=E1ir=EDn_Duffy?=) Date: Sat, 03 Mar 2007 14:16:59 -0500 Subject: [Fwd: Request: User Image Submissions - Deadline March 15, 2007] In-Reply-To: <45E9C91D.7010506@redhat.com> References: <45E9C91D.7010506@redhat.com> Message-ID: <45E9C9AB.5030202@redhat.com> M?ir?n Duffy wrote: > Looks like this never made the art-list itself. Might be good to know. my bad, strange how this list wasn't in the to but was cc'ed. ~m From baerjj at gmail.com Mon Mar 5 02:08:33 2007 From: baerjj at gmail.com (John Baer) Date: Sun, 04 Mar 2007 21:08:33 -0500 Subject: ArtTeam Wiki ReDesign Message-ID: <1173060513.6915.31.camel@localhost.localdomain> All, I've been working in the wiki over the weekend and posted a few changes. :) 1. The ArtWork wiki page is now the home of the ArtTeam. However, there is a design flaw I must point out. The original page and many others that followed were name "Artwork". This is not a wiki name. Ref: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/WikiName Therefore I named the new ArtTeam page "ArtWork" which is a wiki name. If there is agreement I will go through and correct the other pages. 2. Introduction of wiki themes. I have not seen this done before but I created a method to theme the ArtTeam wiki (and any other) pages. IMO I believe the new pages look nice. See this page for the details on how it is done. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ArtWork/ArtTeamProjects/WikiDesign 3. Change to the art work and placement of the image. I had the desire to use many of the elements found in the fedora community (font & color) in the ArtTeam header. It's not fancy but IMO it's tasteful and the code is efficient. If you have a vision please submit it. 4. Some cleanup is needed. - We have a duplicate in the FC6 specifications. - The old Artwork page was renamed to ArtworkDeprecated. Probably should go. - Dimitris, I created a new page of "Fedora Colors" (great idea!) using the ArtTeam theme. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ArtWork/FedoraColors If you like it we'll keep it, otherwise we can go with your original. 5. Goals & Objectives. Assuming we are in agreement, the goals and objectives are located on their own page and are complete. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ArtWork/GoalsObjectives 6. Things that need attention. The ArtTeamProjects page is very rough. - Nicu I was thinking a wiki page should be created for the "Open Palette" series with links to the appropriate page(s). If you agree do you want to put something together? - I will turn my attention to the customizing Fc6 GRUB page. 7. Anything else? Cheers, John From baerjj at gmail.com Mon Mar 5 02:12:57 2007 From: baerjj at gmail.com (John Baer) Date: Sun, 04 Mar 2007 21:12:57 -0500 Subject: dJango or Turbo Gears Message-ID: <1173060777.6915.35.camel@localhost.localdomain> All, Anyone have experience with dJango or Turbo Gears? I was considering mocking up a Fedora art/gallery site using one of these tools. John From dimitris at glezos.com Mon Mar 5 02:53:36 2007 From: dimitris at glezos.com (Dimitris Glezos) Date: Mon, 05 Mar 2007 02:53:36 +0000 Subject: ArtTeam Wiki ReDesign In-Reply-To: <1173060513.6915.31.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1173060513.6915.31.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <45EB8630.9030309@glezos.com> O/H John Baer ??????: > All, > > I've been working in the wiki over the weekend and posted a few > changes. :) Hey John, good work. Keep it up! > 1. The ArtWork wiki page is now the home of the ArtTeam. However, there > is a design flaw I must point out. The original page and many others > that followed were name "Artwork". This is not a wiki name. > > Ref: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/WikiName > > Therefore I named the new ArtTeam page "ArtWork" which is a wiki name. > If there is agreement I will go through and correct the other pages. It is not necessary that all pages have a wiki name. The difference is that WikiNames are automatically linked to the page whether other page names need to be [:Linked:] manually. Since "artwork" is an english word, it seems more appropriate to me to keep it non-wiki-word (ie. Artwork). > 2. Introduction of wiki themes. I have not seen this done before but I > created a method to theme the ArtTeam wiki (and any other) pages. IMO I > believe the new pages look nice. See this page for the details on how it > is done. We've discussed this with Mairin and its great that you went forward and implemented it already. My only comment is to minimize the hard-coded HTML and try to put things in CSS as much as possible. So, the 8 lines of header-code could possibly become: |||| And if we do enable the CardMacro plugin we could add custom text the page that includes it: [[Card(PageHeader artTeam, Welcome to the art team)]] We need to investigate a bit more for this plugin so that we avoid chaos in the wiki. :/ > 3. Change to the art work and placement of the image. I had the desire > to use many of the elements found in the fedora community (font & color) > in the ArtTeam header. It's not fancy but IMO it's tasteful and the code > is efficient. If you have a vision please submit it. I didn't know we could use "from" and "to" in Include statements. Cool!0 > 4. Some cleanup is needed. > > - We have a duplicate in the FC6 specifications. > > - The old Artwork page was renamed to ArtworkDeprecated. Probably should > go. When we move pages, its better to keep the old one and add a #REDIRECT line in them, like this: #REDIRECT Artwork > - Dimitris, I created a new page of "Fedora Colors" (great idea!) using > the ArtTeam theme. > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ArtWork/FedoraColors > > If you like it we'll keep it, otherwise we can go with your original. Of course I like it. Can you please add a redirect to the new one? -d -- Dimitris Glezos Jabber ID: glezos at jabber.org, GPG: 0xA5A04C3B http://dimitris.glezos.com/ "He who gives up functionality for ease of use loses both and deserves neither." (Anonymous) -- From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Mon Mar 5 07:31:57 2007 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Mon, 05 Mar 2007 09:31:57 +0200 Subject: Request: User Image Submissions - Deadline March 15, 2007 In-Reply-To: <45E9C422.80800@redhat.com> References: <45E9C422.80800@redhat.com> Message-ID: <45EBC76D.5000009@nicubunu.ro> Diana Fong wrote: > > - [preferably] posting your submission(s) to Open Clip Art and Tag as > ?userimage?(but without the quotes). Please be sure to tag it properly, > as tags are case sensitive and the final set will be collected via tag > search. > - emailing me directly at dfong at redhat.com and I will upload to Open > Clip Art for you. Please don't do that. The purpose of the Open Clip Art Library is to gather images in vector format, specifically SVG. Other image types (JPEG, PNG) are outside of the project's mission and may be rejected (it seems this already happened), we accept raster images only as request for vectorization. I suggest an alternate uploading procedure: create a page in the fedoraproject.org wiki and upload the images here. Of course, SVG submissions will be gladly accepted at openclipart.org. > NOTE: ALL submitted images WILL have a home unless it has inappropriate > content. All images, even the ones replaced from the current set will be > packaged and included to provide more choices to Users. -- nicu Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Mon Mar 5 07:52:53 2007 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Mon, 05 Mar 2007 09:52:53 +0200 Subject: ArtTeam Wiki ReDesign In-Reply-To: <1173060513.6915.31.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1173060513.6915.31.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <45EBCC55.8010106@nicubunu.ro> John Baer wrote: > > > 6. Things that need attention. The ArtTeamProjects page is very rough. > > - Nicu I was thinking a wiki page should be created for the "Open > Palette" series with links to the appropriate page(s). If you agree do > you want to put something together? In my vision this should be a page linking to (or hosting) more tutorials, so all the team members, if you wrote a tutorial, no matter how short it is, please give us all a link to it. -- nicu Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From martin.sourada at seznam.cz Mon Mar 5 21:25:01 2007 From: martin.sourada at seznam.cz (Martin Sourada) Date: Mon, 05 Mar 2007 22:25:01 +0100 Subject: Echo icon mockups - tab-new and process-stop/gtk-stop Message-ID: <45EC8AAD.2020905@seznam.cz> Hi, I created mockups for two icons used by epiphany but not listed on wiki. The process-stop is also used in nautilus, so it would be good to include in echo. Tab-new I made in all sizes (48x48, 24x24, 16x16) and progress-stop(gtk-stop) is currently only in 24x24. Any feedback appreciated. Also, I would like to ask if some one can add me to the wiki edit group (on fedoraproject.org). 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Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 252 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From dfong at redhat.com Mon Mar 5 22:07:31 2007 From: dfong at redhat.com (Diana Fong) Date: Mon, 05 Mar 2007 17:07:31 -0500 Subject: Request: User Image Submissions - Deadline March 15, 2007 In-Reply-To: <45E9C422.80800@redhat.com> References: <45E9C422.80800@redhat.com> Message-ID: <45EC94A3.2010407@redhat.com> PLEASE NOTE: User Image Submission Request Revised The user submissions, which were originally to be uploaded to OpenClipArt, are now being relocated to GNOME-look.org. Please note the change in location and upload information. I?ve updated my previous blog post [1] with the relevant information, so please reread and resubmit. If you?ve emailed me directly, then I?ll just repost your submission. My apologies for any inconvenience and thank you again for your patience and participation. Highlighted change includes: License: The license no longer needs to be Public Domain, but for consistency please select GPL so that it may be used by open source distros. Upload info: 1) Include ?UserImage -? in the name of your submission, so that it will be easier to identify when I collect the images. 2) select ?Clipart? for the ?Type? field 3) select ?GPL? for the ?License? 4) GNOME-look allows for multiple uploads in an entry, so upload your original large square version AND a 96x96 version. [1] http://www.isity.net/blog/?p=63 Thanks, Diana Diana Fong wrote: > Hello All, > > With the implementation of Face-browser login [1] and Fast User > Switching for Fedora 7, a good set of User Images will add polish to > the user experience. It is obvious that some of the existing User > Images (located at /user/share/pixmaps/faces) would benefit from an > update. Thus, if you are interested in submitting images, or > suggestions of what you would like to see, for one of the 24 default > images, please contribute by: > > - posting to this thread, > - [preferably] posting your submission(s) to Open Clip Art and Tag as > ?userimage?(but without the quotes). Please be sure to tag it > properly, as tags are case sensitive and the final set will be > collected via tag search. > - emailing me directly at dfong at redhat.com and I will upload to Open > Clip Art for you. > > Deadline for submissions will be March 15 to make it in time for > Fedora 7 Feature Freeze. After that, on March 16th, the 24 default > images will be determined by myself and Visual Designers from Red Hat > and from other distros. > > NOTE: ALL submitted images WILL have a home unless it has > inappropriate content. All images, even the ones replaced from the > current set will be packaged and included to provide more choices to > Users. > > For additional information please see the original post at [2]. > > > [1] http://www.flickr.com/photos/davidz/406452040/ > [2] http://www.isity.net/blog/?p=63 > > > Thanks, > Diana Fong > ---- > Red Hat Visual Designer > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list From luya_tfz at thefinalzone.com Mon Mar 5 23:55:04 2007 From: luya_tfz at thefinalzone.com (Luya Tshimbalanga) Date: Mon, 05 Mar 2007 15:55:04 -0800 Subject: Echo icon mockups - tab-new and process-stop/gtk-stop In-Reply-To: <45EC8AAD.2020905@seznam.cz> References: <45EC8AAD.2020905@seznam.cz> Message-ID: <45ECADD8.4040605@thefinalzone.com> Martin Sourada wrote: > Hi, I created mockups for two icons used by epiphany but not listed on wiki. The > process-stop is also used in nautilus, so it would be good to include in echo. > Tab-new I made in all sizes (48x48, 24x24, 16x16) and progress-stop(gtk-stop) is > currently only in 24x24. Any feedback appreciated. > These icons can also work for Firefox as well by making a theme for it. Personally, I think the focus should be on essential icons before moving on specific icons from applications. For example, there is no icon for preference. > Also, I would like to ask if some one can add me to the wiki edit group (on > fedoraproject.org). > Follow the instruction on http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/EditGroupQueue One you have that step, I will check out. -- ??D0 References: <20070305170005.8BA2B732A6@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1173142512.8127.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> Dimitris wrote: > My only comment is to minimize the hard-coded HTML and try to put > things in CSS > as much as possible. So, the 8 lines of header-code could possibly > become: > |||| Dimitris, I agree but I did not know how to localize a style sheet specifically to the ArtTeam. Changing the HTML code in one location was not much effort (and safe). To test the theory I changed to banner to use a submission from Nicu. :) John From baerjj at gmail.com Tue Mar 6 01:09:43 2007 From: baerjj at gmail.com (John Baer) Date: Mon, 05 Mar 2007 20:09:43 -0500 Subject: Request: User Image Submissions In-Reply-To: <20070304170004.09239732C3@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20070304170004.09239732C3@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1173143383.8127.14.camel@localhost.localdomain> All, I created a wiki page from Diana's blog :) for the GDM Login Face Browsing request. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ArtWork/ArtTeamProjects/FaceBrowser We could post submissions to the wiki prior to sending them to Gnome-look if that makes sense {?}. John From baerjj at gmail.com Tue Mar 6 11:29:40 2007 From: baerjj at gmail.com (John Baer) Date: Tue, 06 Mar 2007 06:29:40 -0500 Subject: ArtTeam Wiki ReDesign Message-ID: <1173180580.10833.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> All, IMO we pushed the envelope of wiki design and the result is an attractive and professional look. Thanks Nicu for your logo submission. It looks great! I also wanted to note the logo image is a hot link back to the ArtWork page. :) John From baerjj at gmail.com Tue Mar 6 11:33:03 2007 From: baerjj at gmail.com (John Baer) Date: Tue, 06 Mar 2007 06:33:03 -0500 Subject: Open Palette Wiki Message-ID: <1173180783.10833.9.camel@localhost.localdomain> Nicu, Did I understand you to say the Open Palette articles could not be hosted on the wiki. If this is correct, what is the reason? John From nicolas.mailhot at laposte.net Tue Mar 6 11:38:26 2007 From: nicolas.mailhot at laposte.net (Nicolas Mailhot) Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2007 12:38:26 +0100 (CET) Subject: ArtTeam Wiki ReDesign In-Reply-To: <1173180580.10833.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1173180580.10833.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <21664.192.54.193.51.1173181106.squirrel@rousalka.dyndns.org> Le Mar 6 mars 2007 12:29, John Baer a ?crit : > All, > > IMO we pushed the envelope of wiki design and the result is an > attractive and professional look. could the two blue header bars be merged? I hate multi-bar design -- Nicolas Mailhot From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Tue Mar 6 12:03:29 2007 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Tue, 06 Mar 2007 14:03:29 +0200 Subject: Open Palette Wiki In-Reply-To: <1173180783.10833.9.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1173180783.10833.9.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <45ED5891.4020102@nicubunu.ro> John Baer wrote: > Nicu, > > Did I understand you to say the Open Palette articles could not be > hosted on the wiki. > > If this is correct, what is the reason? Anything hosted on the wiki should be published as OPL: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Legal/Licenses/OPL The article is written for the Red Hat Magazine under a different license and I am allowed to change the license only after 6 months. I told the editors about the desire to host the tutorial on our wiki, they are positive about this but the issue have to be investigated more. Also, they are working on a new license, which will ease re-publishing in the future. -- nicu Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Tue Mar 6 12:07:29 2007 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Tue, 06 Mar 2007 14:07:29 +0200 Subject: Open Palette Wiki In-Reply-To: <45ED5891.4020102@nicubunu.ro> References: <1173180783.10833.9.camel@localhost.localdomain> <45ED5891.4020102@nicubunu.ro> Message-ID: <45ED5981.6040303@nicubunu.ro> Nicu Buculei wrote: > John Baer wrote: >> Did I understand you to say the Open Palette articles could not be >> hosted on the wiki. >> >> If this is correct, what is the reason? > > Anything hosted on the wiki should be published as OPL: > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Legal/Licenses/OPL > > The article is written for the Red Hat Magazine under a different > license and I am allowed to change the license only after 6 months. But as I said before, I want to make a page linking to various tutorials, tips, trick, howtos, but I want to think a bit in depth about it, I want it to be in a such way to be able to link to tutorials hosted on our wiki, to Diana's "Voodoo" series, to articles posted on Red Hat Magazine, to tutorials on my personal site, to screencasts from YouTube, etc. -- nicu Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From baerjj at gmail.com Tue Mar 6 14:42:52 2007 From: baerjj at gmail.com (John Baer) Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2007 09:42:52 -0500 Subject: Request: User Image Submissions - Deadline March 15, 2007 Message-ID: <484ace5d0703060642m8b9c723ib453c4169308c157@mail.gmail.com> Diana wrote: > > The user submissions, which were originally to be uploaded to > OpenClipArt, are now being relocated to GNOME-look.org. Please note the > change in location and upload information. I've updated my previous blog > post [1] with the relevant information, so please reread and resubmit. > If you've emailed me directly, then I'll just repost your submission. My > apologies for any inconvenience and thank you again for your patience > and participation. > > Diana, Just a point of clarification on image sizes. The target size for face browser is 96x96px. :) In addition you would like images scaled down to 48x48px {?} and scaled up to (192x192, 384x384) {?}. OR Would you prefer the svg? Help? John -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Tue Mar 6 15:02:49 2007 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Tue, 06 Mar 2007 17:02:49 +0200 Subject: Request: User Image Submissions - Deadline March 15, 2007 In-Reply-To: <484ace5d0703060642m8b9c723ib453c4169308c157@mail.gmail.com> References: <484ace5d0703060642m8b9c723ib453c4169308c157@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <45ED8299.9080400@nicubunu.ro> John Baer wrote: > > Diana, > > Just a point of clarification on image sizes. The target size for face > browser is 96x96px. :) > > In addition you would like images scaled down to 48x48px {?} and scaled > up to (192x192, 384x384) {?}. > > OR > > Would you prefer the svg? That is easy: for the current system, 96x96 icons are needed and thy should be able to be scaled down to 48x48. In a *future* version of Fedora, it may be possible to use larger images (AFAIK, we don't have specs yet, so the target size is unknown). As file formats, some image types work with SVG but other do not, I believe the intention is to have as user images both drawing and photos, to suit the tastes of as many users as possible. Sure, is possible to make photorealistic-looking images with Inkscape, but I challenge you to do some: http://inkscape.org/screenshots/gallery/inkscape-0.45-cupoftea.png -- nicu Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From duffy at redhat.com Tue Mar 6 15:34:57 2007 From: duffy at redhat.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?M=E1ir=EDn_Duffy?=) Date: Tue, 06 Mar 2007 10:34:57 -0500 Subject: ArtTeam Wiki ReDesign In-Reply-To: <1173180580.10833.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1173180580.10833.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <45ED8A21.2050906@redhat.com> John Baer wrote: > Thanks Nicu for your logo submission. It looks great! I also wanted to > note the logo image is a hot link back to the ArtWork page. Very nice. I see some inkscape blurring action going on ;) ~m From dfong at redhat.com Tue Mar 6 15:37:29 2007 From: dfong at redhat.com (Diana Fong) Date: Tue, 06 Mar 2007 10:37:29 -0500 Subject: Request: User Image Submissions - Deadline March 15, 2007 In-Reply-To: <484ace5d0703060642m8b9c723ib453c4169308c157@mail.gmail.com> References: <484ace5d0703060642m8b9c723ib453c4169308c157@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <45ED8AB9.1070009@redhat.com> John Baer wrote: > Diana wrote: > > The user submissions, which were originally to be uploaded to > OpenClipArt, are now being relocated to GNOME-look.org. Please > note the > change in location and upload information. I've updated my > previous blog > post [1] with the relevant information, so please reread and > resubmit. > If you've emailed me directly, then I'll just repost your > submission. My > apologies for any inconvenience and thank you again for your patience > and participation. > > Diana, > > Just a point of clarification on image sizes. The target size for face > browser is 96x96px. :) > > In addition you would like images scaled down to 48x48px {?} and > scaled up to (192x192, 384x384) {?}. > > OR > > Would you prefer the svg? > > Help? > > John If it is a vector image, then just submit a 96x96 .svg since it can be resized without quality loss. If the submission is a bitmap, I am looking for 2 images. 1) Large square original and 2) 96x96 version. The minimum size should be 96x96 to match what we currently have. In addition to this, it would be extremely useful for future projects to have access to a larger square original of the image. Larger being as large as your original is. The original cropped image of my gothDuck example ended up being 2211x2211 pixels. Please DO NOT scale up a small image though...if the original is only 500x500, that's good too, submit that. There are no specs for the large image and so it's a bit flexible. Think of providing the larger image like including the source. I recommended scaling down to 48x48 and 24x24 so that you, as the submitter, can see whether or not your image will work at these use case sizes. While useful, these are not necessary as part of the submission. Hope that helps. John - Thanks for putting together a wiki for this submission request. Diana Fong ---- Red Hat Visual Designer From dimitris at glezos.com Tue Mar 6 21:22:33 2007 From: dimitris at glezos.com (Dimitris Glezos) Date: Tue, 06 Mar 2007 21:22:33 +0000 Subject: Request: User Image Submissions - Deadline March 15, 2007 In-Reply-To: <45E9C422.80800@redhat.com> References: <45E9C422.80800@redhat.com> Message-ID: <45EDDB99.3000404@glezos.com> O/H Diana Fong ??????: > With the implementation of Face-browser login [1] and Fast User > Switching for Fedora 7, a good set of User Images will add polish to the > user experience. It is obvious that some of the existing User Images > (located at /user/share/pixmaps/faces) would benefit from an update. > Thus, if you are interested in submitting images, or suggestions of what > you would like to see, for one of the 24 default images, please > contribute by: > > - posting to this thread, Diana, I've searched my photos archive and created a zip of photos [1] that could be even remotely useful for user images. [1]: http://dimitris.glezos.com/box/temp/glz-fedora-icons.zip (23 MB) My 2 cents.. :) -d -- Dimitris Glezos Jabber ID: glezos at jabber.org, GPG: 0xA5A04C3B http://dimitris.glezos.com/ "He who gives up functionality for ease of use loses both and deserves neither." (Anonymous) -- From dimitris at glezos.com Tue Mar 6 21:25:32 2007 From: dimitris at glezos.com (Dimitris Glezos) Date: Tue, 06 Mar 2007 21:25:32 +0000 Subject: dJango or Turbo Gears In-Reply-To: <1173060777.6915.35.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1173060777.6915.35.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <45EDDC4C.40207@glezos.com> O/H John Baer ??????: > Anyone have experience with dJango or Turbo Gears? I was considering > mocking up a Fedora art/gallery site using one of these tools. John, I have some experience with Django and the Infrastructure folks have quite some experience with Turbogears. You could either grab this chance to get Django into our Infrastructure and knowledgebase or get help and support from the past TG experience we have. -d -- Dimitris Glezos Jabber ID: glezos at jabber.org, GPG: 0xA5A04C3B http://dimitris.glezos.com/ "He who gives up functionality for ease of use loses both and deserves neither." (Anonymous) -- From martin.sourada at seznam.cz Tue Mar 6 21:47:27 2007 From: martin.sourada at seznam.cz (Martin Sourada) Date: Tue, 06 Mar 2007 22:47:27 +0100 Subject: document-page-setup or/and document-properties icon mockups. Message-ID: <45EDE16F.1010701@seznam.cz> I have created some mockups for missing action icons document-page-setup and document-properties. What do you think? Which ones fits best? They are based on current icon from fedorda default settings or tango icon or openoffice.org icon for document-settings. 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Which ones fits best? They are based on > current icon from fedorda default settings or tango icon or openoffice.org icon > for document-settings. My idea is that one of those with page on background > could be used for document-page-setup and one of those without could be used for > document-properties. How about using a microscope instead ? We have gears and other mechanical metaphors all over the place, both meaning "do stuff" and "look at it". I'd be nice to reserve them for actions, with something else for inspection. -- Nicolas Mailhot -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 197 bytes Desc: Ceci est une partie de message num?riquement sign?e URL: From martin.sourada at seznam.cz Tue Mar 6 22:19:39 2007 From: martin.sourada at seznam.cz (Martin Sourada) Date: Tue, 06 Mar 2007 23:19:39 +0100 Subject: document-page-setup or/and document-properties icon mockups. In-Reply-To: <1173218187.3598.2.camel@rousalka.dyndns.org> References: <45EDE16F.1010701@seznam.cz> <1173218187.3598.2.camel@rousalka.dyndns.org> Message-ID: <45EDE8FB.7060305@seznam.cz> That is an interesting idea, but I do not know how it will go with being an action icon. I will try to create it, but now I do not have very strong feeling it'll go well. The main reason is the perspective of action icons. They are rather flat with only a little depth - I fear that will not look very well for microscope, but we will see... Nicolas Mailhot napsal(a): > How about using a microscope instead ? We have gears and other > mechanical metaphors all over the place, both meaning "do stuff" and > "look at it". I'd be nice to reserve them for actions, with something > else for inspection. > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 252 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From martin.sourada at seznam.cz Tue Mar 6 22:59:07 2007 From: martin.sourada at seznam.cz (Martin Sourada) Date: Tue, 06 Mar 2007 23:59:07 +0100 Subject: EchoIconGuidelines: extension of shadows description Message-ID: <45EDF23B.40706@seznam.cz> Since we can create shadows for icons now in inkscape (using blur effect) I think it would be good to extend shadows guidelines with some "default" values and "default" shadow creation. I think a basic values for a shadow made in inkscape could be: color - $2d2d2db9, amount of blur - from about 12 to about 20. Proposed guide is this: Steps: [1] Create an basic shadow shape to start with (for action icons mostly ellipse is good) [2] Extend the shape to fit better to the icon [3] Add gradient if wanted (in the example I used linear gradient with those colors: $2d2d2da0 -> 2d2d2db9 -> 2d2d2d32) [4] Apply blur effect (in the example I set 12,4) -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: makeing-shadow.png Type: image/png Size: 17163 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Idea ? Improvements ? Thanks Thomas Canniot -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: Ceci est une partie de message num?riquement sign?e URL: From stickster at gmail.com Wed Mar 7 00:13:48 2007 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Tue, 06 Mar 2007 19:13:48 -0500 Subject: ArtTeam Wiki ReDesign In-Reply-To: <45ED8A21.2050906@redhat.com> References: <1173180580.10833.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> <45ED8A21.2050906@redhat.com> Message-ID: <1173226428.1602.65.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Tue, 2007-03-06 at 10:34 -0500, M?ir?n Duffy wrote: > John Baer wrote: > > Thanks Nicu for your logo submission. It looks great! I also wanted to > > note the logo image is a hot link back to the ArtWork page. > > Very nice. I see some inkscape blurring action going on ;) > > ~m It would be nice if the new pages didn't break all the old links to fp.o/wiki/Artwork. John, can you move these pages to use the existing "Artwork" name (without the capital "W")? Right now, it looks like the original Artwork page has simply been disintegrated, and any contributors trying to reach that page are dumped to the "no such page" page. Any other agreeable scheme that you guys like which keeps all the existing links working within reason is fine, too. -- Paul W. Frields, RHCE http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 Fedora Project: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/PaulWFrields irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From duffy at redhat.com Wed Mar 7 02:43:27 2007 From: duffy at redhat.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?M=E1ir=EDn?= Duffy) Date: Tue, 06 Mar 2007 21:43:27 -0500 Subject: Duplicate artwork wiki page In-Reply-To: <45E7646D.5000901@glezos.com> References: <45E7646D.5000901@glezos.com> Message-ID: <1173235407.25710.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Thu, 2007-03-01 at 23:40 +0000, Dimitris Glezos wrote: > Hi all. > > Just to mention that we have two pages that serve the same purpose: > > * Artwork/ThemingOverview > * Artwork/ReleaseGraphics > I tried to fix this a while ago; ThemingOverview is a much older page so I took the stuff from ReleaseGraphics and integrated it with the information in ThemingOverview and set up a redirect. Unfortunately, not everyone agreed that it was a bad idea to have duplicate pages, and the ReleaseGraphics page was re-created. I give up, and I leave this to someone else to cleanup, citing the fact that ThemingOverview was the original page and since it's older more things probably link to it. ~m From duffy at redhat.com Wed Mar 7 04:18:12 2007 From: duffy at redhat.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?M=E1ir=EDn?= Duffy) Date: Tue, 06 Mar 2007 23:18:12 -0500 Subject: Getting a better sense of community - gallery based In-Reply-To: <45E808AD.2000506@nicubunu.ro> References: <20070301080300.F41EF72F4F@hormel.redhat.com> <1172793450.3540.9.camel@localhost.localdomain> <45E7FC0B.1010501@mesias.co.uk> <45E808AD.2000506@nicubunu.ro> Message-ID: <1173241092.25710.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Fri, 2007-03-02 at 13:21 +0200, Nicu Buculei wrote: > I also contributes in the past a few graphics to art.gnome.org so I can > say it lack some needed features (no direct upload from users, no > control over your own work, no RSS feeds for each user). Actually, AGO does have RSS feeds... but it's a very hidden feature. I don't even remember the urls to get to them, you might want to ask thos (he clued me on it ;) ), but it can definitely do RSS right now. It's definitely a more moderated solution (thus more hands on) than some of the other things we've been discussing. (hehe someone's catching up on her email) ~m From duffy at redhat.com Wed Mar 7 04:47:58 2007 From: duffy at redhat.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?M=E1ir=EDn?= Duffy) Date: Tue, 06 Mar 2007 23:47:58 -0500 Subject: Getting a better sense of community - gallery based groups In-Reply-To: <45E67C1E.1060902@nicubunu.ro> References: <45E5115E.3050507@redhat.com> <45E67C1E.1060902@nicubunu.ro> Message-ID: <1173242878.25710.21.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Thu, 2007-03-01 at 09:09 +0200, Nicu Buculei wrote: > This is a dA paid subscription: http://inkscapers.deviantart.com/ and > its gallery feed: > http://backend.deviantart.com/rss.xml?q=by%3Ainkscapers+sort%3Atime+-in%3Ascraps&type=deviation > > Is exactly the same as for an unpaid account. Oh man. So I was thinking, hmm, maybe we could write a python script that would modify the deviantart RSS feed to add the thumbnails, but looking at the thumbnail URLs there isn't a way to do that from the guid. *However* I did find this: http://www.microugly.com/page/blogs/da-faves-on-your-site/ Seems hacky though, if dA changes things around it would break. Although this article does mention that dA 'pasties' include thumbnails if you have a paid account... hmm.... > - for hosting: not everybody has his own hosting solution, is willing to > pay for one and all free services are less then perfect. So for those in > heed a gallery or something provided by Fedora could be very useful. > > - for aggregating only: if we host content, then we probably will want > to police it, so only aggregation will provide more freedom to the > contributors. This is an interesting observation. I don't see why we couldn't do both. :) I set up a page to try to capture all this discussion: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/Communication As noted on the page from the discussions we had on the infrastructure list, it seems that to move forward, we need to: * Formally define our requirements * File an RFR (request for resources) with the infrastructure team once we work out our requirements. I took a quick stab at a requirements list: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/Communication#head-d5fb254365e4065b55a41bf5adabfe5681b97f55 What do you think? Am I missing anything? Disagree with the priority of any of the items? It's on the wiki, so feel free to discuss and modify. :) It may just be that we discuss this with the Infrastructure Team and find out they might not have time for a while, so we stick with say DeviantArt or Flickr and just have a planet feed of our artwork for now, and later on the Infrastructure Team might help us build out what we need. Or maybe they'd have time now. So I think moving forward we'll either end up in one of those two scenarios. If we end up in the first one though we'll need to decide what system we want to go with in the meantime. ~m From duffy at redhat.com Wed Mar 7 05:02:49 2007 From: duffy at redhat.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?M=E1ir=EDn?= Duffy) Date: Wed, 07 Mar 2007 00:02:49 -0500 Subject: ArtTeam Wiki ReDesign In-Reply-To: <1173226428.1602.65.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1173180580.10833.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> <45ED8A21.2050906@redhat.com> <1173226428.1602.65.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1173243769.25710.23.camel@localhost.localdomain> Hi Paul, On Tue, 2007-03-06 at 19:13 -0500, Paul W. Frields wrote: > It would be nice if the new pages didn't break all the old links to > fp.o/wiki/Artwork. John, can you move these pages to use the existing > "Artwork" name (without the capital "W")? Right now, it looks like the > original Artwork page has simply been disintegrated, and any > contributors trying to reach that page are dumped to the "no such page" > page. Any other agreeable scheme that you guys like which keeps all the > existing links working within reason is fine, too. I went ahead and did this, so all the ArtWork pages now redirect to their Artwork counterparts. Hope this is OK John. We have so many pages that still used Artwork it seemed kind of overwhelming to change them all over so I just moved the 3 or 4 that were ArtWork. :) ~m From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Wed Mar 7 06:58:50 2007 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Wed, 07 Mar 2007 08:58:50 +0200 Subject: ArtTeam Wiki ReDesign In-Reply-To: <1173243769.25710.23.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1173180580.10833.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> <45ED8A21.2050906@redhat.com> <1173226428.1602.65.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1173243769.25710.23.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <45EE62AA.9050902@nicubunu.ro> M?ir?n Duffy wrote: > > On Tue, 2007-03-06 at 19:13 -0500, Paul W. Frields wrote: >> It would be nice if the new pages didn't break all the old links to >> fp.o/wiki/Artwork. John, can you move these pages to use the existing >> "Artwork" name (without the capital "W")? > > I went ahead and did this, so all the ArtWork pages now redirect to > their Artwork counterparts. Hope this is OK John. We have so many pages > that still used Artwork it seemed kind of overwhelming to change them > all over so I just moved the 3 or 4 that were ArtWork. :) Thanks, I don't have to go to my blog and change links to the Artwork page in old posts -- nicu Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Wed Mar 7 08:48:00 2007 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Wed, 07 Mar 2007 10:48:00 +0200 Subject: Getting a better sense of community - gallery based groups In-Reply-To: <1173242878.25710.21.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <45E5115E.3050507@redhat.com> <45E67C1E.1060902@nicubunu.ro> <1173242878.25710.21.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <45EE7C40.8010301@nicubunu.ro> M?ir?n Duffy wrote: > > I set up a page to try to capture all this discussion: > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/Communication You summed well the issue. I added to the "Ideas" list a few words about Coppermine (another widely used php web gallery) which may be made to produce RSS feeds with a plugin and a few more words about thumbnails in the feeds from ccHost (we will need to patch Planet to use them, Planet does not support nor tags). > As noted on the page from the discussions we had on the infrastructure > list, it seems that to move forward, we need to: > > * Formally define our requirements > > * File an RFR (request for resources) with the infrastructure team once > we work out our requirements. > > I took a quick stab at a requirements list: > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/Communication#head-d5fb254365e4065b55a41bf5adabfe5681b97f55 > > What do you think? Am I missing anything? Disagree with the priority of > any of the items? It's on the wiki, so feel free to discuss and > modify. :) The priority is good, unfortunately our first priorities are the hardest to find in the existing solutions. I added another item, but it may be merged with the second one (any other source art): we may want tar.gz and .xpm (with a PNG thumbnail) if we want to host GDM or GRUB themes. > It may just be that we discuss this with the Infrastructure Team and > find out they might not have time for a while, so we stick with say > DeviantArt or Flickr and just have a planet feed of our artwork for now, > and later on the Infrastructure Team might help us build out what we > need. Or maybe they'd have time now. So I think moving forward we'll > either end up in one of those two scenarios. If we end up in the first > one though we'll need to decide what system we want to go with in the > meantime. Either way we end up with the hosting, aggregation will be needed, so I say we can go ahead ask the Infrastructure for a Planet install first. I would like to hear about hosting solutions also from the other members of the team, have you experience with such systems? Even with those we talked about (Gallery, Coppermine, ccHost). Freshmeat has plenty of projects listed: http://freshmeat.net/search/?q=gallery§ion=projects&Go.x=0&Go.y=0 -- nicu Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From stickster at gmail.com Wed Mar 7 14:35:10 2007 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Wed, 07 Mar 2007 09:35:10 -0500 Subject: ArtTeam Wiki ReDesign In-Reply-To: <1173243769.25710.23.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1173180580.10833.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> <45ED8A21.2050906@redhat.com> <1173226428.1602.65.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1173243769.25710.23.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1173278110.4488.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Wed, 2007-03-07 at 00:02 -0500, M?ir?n Duffy wrote: > Hi Paul, > > On Tue, 2007-03-06 at 19:13 -0500, Paul W. Frields wrote: > > It would be nice if the new pages didn't break all the old links to > > fp.o/wiki/Artwork. John, can you move these pages to use the existing > > "Artwork" name (without the capital "W")? Right now, it looks like the > > original Artwork page has simply been disintegrated, and any > > contributors trying to reach that page are dumped to the "no such page" > > page. Any other agreeable scheme that you guys like which keeps all the > > existing links working within reason is fine, too. > > I went ahead and did this, so all the ArtWork pages now redirect to > their Artwork counterparts. Hope this is OK John. We have so many pages > that still used Artwork it seemed kind of overwhelming to change them > all over so I just moved the 3 or 4 that were ArtWork. :) Thanks M?ir?n! -- Paul W. Frields, RHCE http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 Fedora Project: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/PaulWFrields irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From martin.sourada at seznam.cz Wed Mar 7 15:29:45 2007 From: martin.sourada at seznam.cz (Martin Sourada) Date: Wed, 07 Mar 2007 16:29:45 +0100 Subject: document-page-setup or/and document-properties icon mockups. In-Reply-To: <45EDE8FB.7060305@seznam.cz> References: <45EDE16F.1010701@seznam.cz> <1173218187.3598.2.camel@rousalka.dyndns.org> <45EDE8FB.7060305@seznam.cz> Message-ID: <45EEDA69.6040804@seznam.cz> I made the icons as you sugested. I made a microscope [1], put it as an image on a page [2] and deleted lines [3]. Which of them is better? If you {all} don't have any further sugestion, can two of the icons form this post and/or from the inilial post be chosen for document-page-setup and document-properties? [1] microscope.png [2] document-properties-7.png [3] document-properties-7a.png > Nicolas Mailhot napsal(a): >> How about using a microscope instead ? We have gears and other >> mechanical metaphors all over the place, both meaning "do stuff" and >> "look at it". I'd be nice to reserve them for actions, with something >> else for inspection. >> >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Fedora-art-list mailing list >> Fedora-art-list at redhat.com >> http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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In-Reply-To: <45EEDA69.6040804@seznam.cz> References: <45EDE16F.1010701@seznam.cz> <1173218187.3598.2.camel@rousalka.dyndns.org> <45EDE8FB.7060305@seznam.cz> <45EEDA69.6040804@seznam.cz> Message-ID: <44582.192.54.193.51.1173285440.squirrel@rousalka.dyndns.org> Le Mer 7 mars 2007 16:29, Martin Sourada a ?crit : > I made the icons as you sugested. I made a microscope [1], put it as an > image on > a page [2] and deleted lines [3]. Which of them is better? Thanks a lot > If you {all} don't have any further sugestion, can two of the icons form > this > post and/or from the inilial post be chosen for document-page-setup and > document-properties? > > [1] microscope.png > [2] document-properties-7.png > [3] document-properties-7a.png I don't like the one with lines, they make the form difficult to see For the one without lines, maybe putting the document under the microscope instead of the microscope inside the page would be clearer: - for me "stuff inside page" = "one particular file type") - you'd get a mnemotechnic shape, which is always good But hopefully others will comment. -- Nicolas Mailhot From martin.sourada at seznam.cz Wed Mar 7 19:23:39 2007 From: martin.sourada at seznam.cz (Martin Sourada) Date: Wed, 07 Mar 2007 20:23:39 +0100 Subject: document-page-setup or/and document-properties icon mockups. In-Reply-To: <44582.192.54.193.51.1173285440.squirrel@rousalka.dyndns.org> References: <45EDE16F.1010701@seznam.cz> <1173218187.3598.2.camel@rousalka.dyndns.org> <45EDE8FB.7060305@seznam.cz> <45EEDA69.6040804@seznam.cz> <44582.192.54.193.51.1173285440.squirrel@rousalka.dyndns.org> Message-ID: <45EF113B.2000506@seznam.cz> --------------060408040803080408090100 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I do not know if I fully understand what you meant by "putting the docume= nt under the microscope", but I tried some relative positions of the page an= d the microscope and ended with something that seems to look fine[1]. Is that w= hat you was talking about? Thanks for your suggestions. Regards, Martin Sourada Attachments: [1] - document-properties-8.png Nicolas Mailhot napsal(a): > Le Mer 7 mars 2007 16:29, Martin Sourada a =C3=A9crit : >> I made the icons as you sugested. I made a microscope [1], put it as a= n >> image on >> a page [2] and deleted lines [3]. 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Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 252 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From luya_tfz at thefinalzone.com Wed Mar 7 19:24:27 2007 From: luya_tfz at thefinalzone.com (Luya Tshimbalanga) Date: Wed, 07 Mar 2007 11:24:27 -0800 Subject: which icon ? In-Reply-To: <9c3bfa1d0702280111u15256b5l7c8ed4e8eb03dde4@mail.gmail.com> References: <8103729680304013478@unknownmsgid> <9c3bfa1d0702280111u15256b5l7c8ed4e8eb03dde4@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <45EF116B.8000606@thefinalzone.com> Ben Arnold wrote: > Mola, > > I think 06 has a better contrast and will look better in smaller > sizes. It's very 3D and fits with my user icons, too. > > Nice work, thanks. > > On 27/02/07, Mola Pahnadayan wrote: >> hi all :) >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Fedora-art-list mailing list >> Fedora-art-list at redhat.com >> http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list >> >> >> > > 06 image might work on 16x16 while 07 fits well on other resolution. As no one commented on the preferences, I will suggest to publish these images on the wiki. -- ??D0 References: <45EDE16F.1010701@seznam.cz> <1173218187.3598.2.camel@rousalka.dyndns.org> <45EDE8FB.7060305@seznam.cz> <45EEDA69.6040804@seznam.cz> <44582.192.54.193.51.1173285440.squirrel@rousalka.dyndns.org> <45EF113B.2000506@seznam.cz> Message-ID: <45EF13EF.8060500@seznam.cz> Oups, posted wrongly, so again the attachement. Martin Sourada napsal(a): > --------------060408040803080408090100 > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable >... >> _______________________________________________ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: document-properties-8.png Type: image/png Size: 4154 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 252 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From luya_tfz at thefinalzone.com Wed Mar 7 19:48:48 2007 From: luya_tfz at thefinalzone.com (Luya Tshimbalanga) Date: Wed, 07 Mar 2007 11:48:48 -0800 Subject: document-page-setup or/and document-properties icon mockups. In-Reply-To: <45EEDA69.6040804@seznam.cz> References: <45EDE16F.1010701@seznam.cz> <1173218187.3598.2.camel@rousalka.dyndns.org> <45EDE8FB.7060305@seznam.cz> <45EEDA69.6040804@seznam.cz> Message-ID: <45EF1720.5060005@thefinalzone.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Martin Sourada wrote: > I made the icons as you sugested. I made a microscope [1], put it as an image on > a page [2] and deleted lines [3]. Which of them is better? > > If you {all} don't have any further sugestion, can two of the icons form this > post and/or from the inilial post be chosen for document-page-setup and > document-properties? > > [1] microscope.png > [2] document-properties-7.png > [3] document-properties-7a.png > >> Nicolas Mailhot napsal(a): >>> How about using a microscope instead ? We have gears and other >>> mechanical metaphors all over the place, both meaning "do stuff" and >>> "look at it". I'd be nice to reserve them for actions, with something >>> else for inspection. >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Fedora-art-list mailing list >>> Fedora-art-list at redhat.com >>> http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > Look at document-revert on echo-development wiki page[1]. I think It will give you more ideas. As for 03, make more outline in metallic color suggested from echo guideline[2]. I prefer the first microscope icon but I would like to see how the last icon will look following the suggestion. [1] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/EchoDevelopment [2] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/EchoIconGuidelines - -- ??D0 From luya_tfz at thefinalzone.com Wed Mar 7 20:03:58 2007 From: luya_tfz at thefinalzone.com (Luya Tshimbalanga) Date: Wed, 07 Mar 2007 12:03:58 -0800 Subject: document-page-setup or/and document-properties icon mockups. In-Reply-To: <45EDE16F.1010701@seznam.cz> References: <45EDE16F.1010701@seznam.cz> Message-ID: <45EF1AAE.8090707@thefinalzone.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Small note, I edited echo development wiki page to show that you are working on document-properties icon. - -- ??D0 References: <45EDE16F.1010701@seznam.cz> <1173218187.3598.2.camel@rousalka.dyndns.org> <45EDE8FB.7060305@seznam.cz> <45EEDA69.6040804@seznam.cz> <44582.192.54.193.51.1173285440.squirrel@rousalka.dyndns.org> <45EF113B.2000506@seznam.cz> <45EF13EF.8060500@seznam.cz> Message-ID: <1173299238.26092.1.camel@rousalka.dyndns.org> Le mercredi 07 mars 2007 ? 20:35 +0100, Martin Sourada a ?crit : > Oups, posted wrongly, so again the attachement. I definitively like this one more than the others. -- Nicolas Mailhot -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 197 bytes Desc: Ceci est une partie de message num?riquement sign?e URL: From martin.sourada at seznam.cz Wed Mar 7 21:10:34 2007 From: martin.sourada at seznam.cz (Martin Sourada) Date: Wed, 07 Mar 2007 22:10:34 +0100 Subject: document-page-setup or/and document-properties icon mockups. In-Reply-To: <1173299238.26092.1.camel@rousalka.dyndns.org> References: <45EDE16F.1010701@seznam.cz> <1173218187.3598.2.camel@rousalka.dyndns.org> <45EDE8FB.7060305@seznam.cz> <45EEDA69.6040804@seznam.cz> <44582.192.54.193.51.1173285440.squirrel@rousalka.dyndns.org> <45EF113B.2000506@seznam.cz> <45EF13EF.8060500@seznam.cz> <1173299238.26092.1.camel@rousalka.dyndns.org> Message-ID: <45EF2A4A.2060609@seznam.cz> So, if everyone agree I will consider it as the one. In that case if you don't have any further comments I will make smaller versions and upload it to wiki. Also, what about the document-page-setup? Should we use the same icon, or one of the others, or do you have any idea, how it could look like? Regards, Martin Sourada Nicolas Mailhot napsal(a): > Le mercredi 07 mars 2007 ? 20:35 +0100, Martin Sourada a ?crit : >> Oups, posted wrongly, so again the attachement. > > I definitively like this one more than the others. > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 252 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From dfong at redhat.com Wed Mar 7 22:07:35 2007 From: dfong at redhat.com (Diana Fong) Date: Wed, 07 Mar 2007 17:07:35 -0500 Subject: document-page-setup or/and document-properties icon mockups. In-Reply-To: <45EF2A4A.2060609@seznam.cz> References: <45EDE16F.1010701@seznam.cz> <1173218187.3598.2.camel@rousalka.dyndns.org> <45EDE8FB.7060305@seznam.cz> <45EEDA69.6040804@seznam.cz> <44582.192.54.193.51.1173285440.squirrel@rousalka.dyndns.org> <45EF113B.2000506@seznam.cz> <45EF13EF.8060500@seznam.cz> <1173299238.26092.1.camel@rousalka.dyndns.org> <45EF2A4A.2060609@seznam.cz> Message-ID: <45EF37A7.7080708@redhat.com> Martin Sourada wrote: > So, if everyone agree I will consider it as the one. In that case if you don't > have any further comments I will make smaller versions and upload it to wiki. > > Also, what about the document-page-setup? Should we use the same icon, or one of > the others, or do you have any idea, how it could look like? > > Regards, > Martin Sourada > > Nicolas Mailhot napsal(a): > >> Le mercredi 07 mars 2007 ? 20:35 +0100, Martin Sourada a ?crit : >> >>> Oups, posted wrongly, so again the attachement. >>> >> I definitively like this one more than the others. Lots of excellent work posted today for this thread. I was a bit skeptical about the microscope idea because it is such a complex shape, but you seem to have pulled it off quite nicely. I am, however, still concerned about how the microscope idea would render in the smaller sizes. Perhaps in those cases, you can just use the flat microscope shape from version 7 and 7a? To keep consistency with your current version, the flat microscope shape would be slightly elevated from the page. Just an idea... I also would like to hear opinions about the use of the wrench or screwdriver + hammer metaphor currently used to represent 'properties' and 'setup' throughout the desktop, and how the use of the microscope can cause confusion. Perhaps it's just me. I don't have an answer to this, but believe that if we are to introduce the microscope in signifying this, or a similar, action...we should clearly state, when a wrench would be used, when the microscope would be used, etc. Please help clarify. Martin, your post today on shadows, shall I include that in the Echo Guidelines? Did you find any of the feedback from the previous 'shadows' thread useful to include? Thanks, Diana Fong ---- Red Hat Visual Designer From nicolas.mailhot at laposte.net Wed Mar 7 22:41:57 2007 From: nicolas.mailhot at laposte.net (Nicolas Mailhot) Date: Wed, 07 Mar 2007 23:41:57 +0100 Subject: document-page-setup or/and document-properties icon mockups. In-Reply-To: <45EF37A7.7080708@redhat.com> References: <45EDE16F.1010701@seznam.cz> <1173218187.3598.2.camel@rousalka.dyndns.org> <45EDE8FB.7060305@seznam.cz> <45EEDA69.6040804@seznam.cz> <44582.192.54.193.51.1173285440.squirrel@rousalka.dyndns.org> <45EF113B.2000506@seznam.cz> <45EF13EF.8060500@seznam.cz> <1173299238.26092.1.camel@rousalka.dyndns.org> <45EF2A4A.2060609@seznam.cz> <45EF37A7.7080708@redhat.com> Message-ID: <1173307317.3690.11.camel@rousalka.dyndns.org> Le mercredi 07 mars 2007 ? 17:07 -0500, Diana Fong a ?crit : > I also would like to hear opinions about the use of the wrench or > screwdriver + hammer metaphor currently used to represent 'properties' > and 'setup' throughout the desktop, and how the use of the microscope > can cause confusion. setup is very different from properties. You go into setup to change stuff and have access to configuration utilities. OTOH properties are mostly used in passive look-at-it context, and a lot of properties are static For me gears = active/running stuff, wrench = tweaking things (gears have been used in the past to mark system services and executable/batch files). Both are not appropriate metaphors for looking at static things -- Nicolas Mailhot -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Any other agreeable scheme that you guys like which keeps all > the > existing links working within reason is fine, too. Corrections in place :) John From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Thu Mar 8 07:03:05 2007 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2007 09:03:05 +0200 Subject: Echo's software update icons In-Reply-To: <45EF6DDA.60209@thefinalzone.com> References: <45EF6DDA.60209@thefinalzone.com> Message-ID: <45EFB529.2030907@nicubunu.ro> Luya Tshimbalanga wrote: > > Taking a icon from Diana and Mike, here is the preview of these > software update icon action. AFAIK those icons are used *only* in the Notification Area at small size and the 48x48 is never used, so the most important is how readable they are at 24x24. -- nicu Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From dfong at redhat.com Wed Mar 7 16:22:48 2007 From: dfong at redhat.com (Diana Fong) Date: Wed, 07 Mar 2007 11:22:48 -0500 Subject: Request: User Image Submissions - Deadline March 15, 2007 In-Reply-To: <45EDDB99.3000404@glezos.com> References: <45E9C422.80800@redhat.com> <45EDDB99.3000404@glezos.com> Message-ID: <45EEE6D8.7010203@redhat.com> Dimitris Glezos wrote: > O/H Diana Fong ??????: > >> With the implementation of Face-browser login [1] and Fast User >> Switching for Fedora 7, a good set of User Images will add polish to the >> user experience. It is obvious that some of the existing User Images >> (located at /user/share/pixmaps/faces) would benefit from an update. >> Thus, if you are interested in submitting images, or suggestions of what >> you would like to see, for one of the 24 default images, please >> contribute by: >> >> - posting to this thread, >> > > Diana, > > I've searched my photos archive and created a zip of photos [1] that could be > even remotely useful for user images. > > [1]: http://dimitris.glezos.com/box/temp/glz-fedora-icons.zip (23 MB) > > My 2 cents.. :) > > -d > > Dimitris, Great images...I particularly liked dsc02173.jpg Sadly, that one did not resize well. Here are the two (dsc_0021.jpg => butterfly, and dsc_5891.jpg => swings_ride) that I think worked best from your set when resized. I will upload them shortly to GNOME-looks.org. Thanks, Diana Fong ---- Red Hat Visual Designer -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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In-Reply-To: <1173307317.3690.11.camel@rousalka.dyndns.org> References: <45EDE16F.1010701@seznam.cz> <45EDE8FB.7060305@seznam.cz> <45EEDA69.6040804@seznam.cz> <44582.192.54.193.51.1173285440.squirrel@rousalka.dyndns.org> <45EF113B.2000506@seznam.cz> <45EF13EF.8060500@seznam.cz> <1173299238.26092.1.camel@rousalka.dyndns.org> <45EF2A4A.2060609@seznam.cz> <45EF37A7.7080708@redhat.com> <1173307317.3690.11.camel@rousalka.dyndns.org> Message-ID: <9c3bfa1d0703081402y76057fc2w5633fc386bc45774@mail.gmail.com> On 07/03/07, Nicolas Mailhot wrote: > Diana Fong wrote: > > > I also would like to hear opinions about the use of the wrench or > > screwdriver + hammer metaphor currently used to represent 'properties' > > and 'setup' throughout the desktop, and how the use of the microscope > > can cause confusion. > setup is very different from properties. You go into setup to change > stuff and have access to configuration utilities. OTOH properties are > mostly used in passive look-at-it context, and a lot of properties are > static Setup for base settings while properties are per-session or document? If I'm honest, the microscope would not work as well as a metaphor because that says 'search' or 'analyse' to me rather than properties. That said, I always look for the text alongside that icon because it is an easily identifiable word but that doesn't excuse it in toolbars. The doc-prop-4 without the cog to the bottom-right and the single spanner in #2 are my personal favourites. I think #4 would fit in more with the other action emblems and #4 gives across the idea of more core/basic settings well. My 2p. ./b -- ..// seawolf //.. Ben Arnold e-mail / msn / icq / yahoo iamseawolf (at) gmail (dot) com http://clik.to/seawolfsanctuary fedora core : artwork GnuPG Available - ask me! From ben.arnold.inbox at gmail.com Thu Mar 8 22:05:13 2007 From: ben.arnold.inbox at gmail.com (Ben Arnold) Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2007 22:05:13 +0000 Subject: EchoIconGuidelines: extension of shadows description In-Reply-To: <45EDF23B.40706@seznam.cz> References: <45EDF23B.40706@seznam.cz> Message-ID: <9c3bfa1d0703081405v5fbe1d32uf2a12ad88f000dc6@mail.gmail.com> On 06/03/07, Martin Sourada wrote: > Since we can create shadows for icons now in inkscape (using blur effect) I think it would be good to extend shadows guidelines with some "default" values and "default" shadow creation. [snip] > [3] Add gradient if wanted (in the example I used linear gradient with those colors: $2d2d2da0 -> 2d2d2db9 -> 2d2d2d32) > [4] Apply blur effect (in the example I set 12,4) I'd prefer the shadow a little stronger but otherwise it looks good for the wiki IMHO. IIRC it's under development anyways. ./b -- ..// seawolf //.. Ben Arnold e-mail / msn / icq / yahoo iamseawolf (at) gmail (dot) com http://clik.to/seawolfsanctuary fedora core : artwork GnuPG Available - ask me! From martin.sourada at seznam.cz Thu Mar 8 22:46:15 2007 From: martin.sourada at seznam.cz (Martin Sourada) Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2007 23:46:15 +0100 Subject: document-page-setup or/and document-properties icon mockups. In-Reply-To: <9c3bfa1d0703081402y76057fc2w5633fc386bc45774@mail.gmail.com> References: <45EDE16F.1010701@seznam.cz> <45EDE8FB.7060305@seznam.cz> <45EEDA69.6040804@seznam.cz> <44582.192.54.193.51.1173285440.squirrel@rousalka.dyndns.org> <45EF113B.2000506@seznam.cz> <45EF13EF.8060500@seznam.cz> <1173299238.26092.1.camel@rousalka.dyndns.org> <45EF2A4A.2060609@seznam.cz> <45EF37A7.7080708@redhat.com> <1173307317.3690.11.camel@rousalka.dyndns.org> <9c3bfa1d0703081402y76057fc2w5633fc386bc45774@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <45F09237.8040309@seznam.cz> --------------070303090405070306070601 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Diana Fing wrote: > Lots of excellent work posted today for this thread. I was a bit skept= ical > about the microscope idea because it is such a complex shape, but you s= eem to > have pulled it off quite nicely. I am, however, still concerned about = how the > microscope idea would render in the smaller sizes. Perhaps in those ca= ses, > you can just use the flat microscope shape from version 7 and 7a? To k= eep > consistency with your current version, the flat microscope shape would = be > slightly elevated from the page. Just an idea... I made the smaller sizes of the doc with microscope. See attachments [3],= [4] and [5]. Ben Arnold wrote: > On 07/03/07, Nicolas Mailhot wrote: >> Diana Fong wrote: >> >> > I also would like to hear opinions about the use of the wrench or >> > screwdriver + hammer metaphor currently used to represent 'propertie= s' >> > and 'setup' throughout the desktop, and how the use of the microscop= e >> > can cause confusion. >> setup is very different from properties. You go into setup to change >> stuff and have access to configuration utilities. OTOH properties are >> mostly used in passive look-at-it context, and a lot of properties are= >> static > > Setup for base settings while properties are per-session or document? > > If I'm honest, the microscope would not work as well as a metaphor > because that says 'search' or 'analyse' to me rather than properties. > That said, I always look for the text alongside that icon because it > is an easily identifiable word but that doesn't excuse it in toolbars. > The doc-prop-4 without the cog to the bottom-right and the single > spanner in #2 are my personal favourites. I think #4 would fit in more > with the other action emblems and #4 gives across the idea of more > core/basic settings well. > > My 2p. > > ./b > If I take your meaning than the fog you are talking about is an accident.= As I created more icons I derived one from another, and forget to remove a sha= dow from the spanner. See attachment [1]. Also I tried to delete the lines to= make the gear more distinguishable. See attachment [2]. As for the microscope thing for properties: I also take it as analyzing, = but after few looks can get used to it as a symbol for properties. I do not c= onsider bad idea. However, the spanner just resembles the bluecurve theme we used= before and so would be easier for users to get used to it. So I think, if I forg= et for a little while about the microscope, we could have a spanner from #2 (or = #5) for a document-properties and one of the icons with page(possibly the one wit= h gear - #4) for document-page-setup, since it symbolises both page and setup. O= n the other side if we used the microsope with page for document-properties wha= t would we pick for document-page-setup? Possibly again either the page with the microscope or the page with the gear. What do you all think? 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Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 252 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From dfong at redhat.com Fri Mar 9 15:54:20 2007 From: dfong at redhat.com (Diana Fong) Date: Fri, 09 Mar 2007 10:54:20 -0500 Subject: Request: User Image Submissions - Deadline March 15, 2007 In-Reply-To: <6e24a8e80703090738n678881b0te0c5a1dca6ceb0f5@mail.gmail.com> References: <45E9C422.80800@redhat.com> <45EDDB99.3000404@glezos.com> <45EEE6D8.7010203@redhat.com> <6e24a8e80703090727t27c19eeevede8924ce939f9c2@mail.gmail.com> <6e24a8e80703090738n678881b0te0c5a1dca6ceb0f5@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <45F1832C.4000500@redhat.com> Mark wrote: > And a version for the root account I see what you mean now. This is definitely an interesting idea. Currently David Zeuthen is looking to create rounded borders for the UserImages. Your suggestion takes that concept further in providing color coded borders. I will forward your suggestion to him and see what he thinks because assigning colors will probably require code on his end. Thanks, Diana Fong --- Red Hat Visual Designer From dfong at redhat.com Fri Mar 9 18:29:42 2007 From: dfong at redhat.com (Diana Fong) Date: Fri, 09 Mar 2007 13:29:42 -0500 Subject: document-page-setup or/and document-properties icon mockups. In-Reply-To: <9c3bfa1d0703081402y76057fc2w5633fc386bc45774@mail.gmail.com> References: <45EDE16F.1010701@seznam.cz> <45EDE8FB.7060305@seznam.cz> <45EEDA69.6040804@seznam.cz> <44582.192.54.193.51.1173285440.squirrel@rousalka.dyndns.org> <45EF113B.2000506@seznam.cz> <45EF13EF.8060500@seznam.cz> <1173299238.26092.1.camel@rousalka.dyndns.org> <45EF2A4A.2060609@seznam.cz> <45EF37A7.7080708@redhat.com> <1173307317.3690.11.camel@rousalka.dyndns.org> <9c3bfa1d0703081402y76057fc2w5633fc386bc45774@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <45F1A796.9050002@redhat.com> Ben Arnold wrote: > On 07/03/07, Nicolas Mailhot wrote: >> Diana Fong wrote: >> >> > I also would like to hear opinions about the use of the wrench or >> > screwdriver + hammer metaphor currently used to represent 'properties' >> > and 'setup' throughout the desktop, and how the use of the microscope >> > can cause confusion. >> setup is very different from properties. You go into setup to change >> stuff and have access to configuration utilities. OTOH properties are >> mostly used in passive look-at-it context, and a lot of properties are >> static > > Setup for base settings while properties are per-session or document? > > If I'm honest, the microscope would not work as well as a metaphor > because that says 'search' or 'analyse' to me rather than properties. > That said, I always look for the text alongside that icon because it > is an easily identifiable word but that doesn't excuse it in toolbars. > The doc-prop-4 without the cog to the bottom-right and the single > spanner in #2 are my personal favourites. I think #4 would fit in more > with the other action emblems and #4 gives across the idea of more > core/basic settings well. 'Properties' does seem to present less options to change, however (using OpenOffice Writer as an example) it does seem that the user can set or tweak some things. I think that's what's causing the confusion, the ability to set changes. Therefore, I like Ben's explanation best...that setup is for base settings while properties are per-session/document. Both of which indicate some sort of tweaking or change, which a microscope doesn't really convey. I'd like to propose we continue to use the hammer/wrench for 'setup' since we seem to all agree that 'setup' allows for the most change. As for properties, personally...I would like to stick with the same hammer/wrench or cog symbol. However, I feel less strongly about this point...as 'properties' also seem to present a lot of information that is static as well. We can definitely test out the microscope idea, and see how people feel when used in context. To throw another related term in the mix...'preferences'...I think should probably follow what we choose for 'setup' as it also allows for much setting and changing of things. Thanks, Diana Fong --- Red Hat Visual Designer From martin.sourada at seznam.cz Fri Mar 9 21:20:21 2007 From: martin.sourada at seznam.cz (Martin Sourada) Date: Fri, 09 Mar 2007 22:20:21 +0100 Subject: document-page-setup or/and document-properties icon mockups. In-Reply-To: <45F1A796.9050002@redhat.com> References: <45EDE16F.1010701@seznam.cz> <45EDE8FB.7060305@seznam.cz> <45EEDA69.6040804@seznam.cz> <44582.192.54.193.51.1173285440.squirrel@rousalka.dyndns.org> <45EF113B.2000506@seznam.cz> <45EF13EF.8060500@seznam.cz> <1173299238.26092.1.camel@rousalka.dyndns.org> <45EF2A4A.2060609@seznam.cz> <45EF37A7.7080708@redhat.com> <1173307317.3690.11.camel@rousalka.dyndns.org> <9c3bfa1d0703081402y76057fc2w5633fc386bc45774@mail.gmail.com> <45F1A796.9050002@redhat.com> Message-ID: <45F1CF95.5090306@seznam.cz> --------------050900090406010108090505 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Agreed. Still, if we drop out the microscope idea, we still would have to= decide, whether to use a tool with a page or without, whether it would be= cog, wrench or screwdriver or hammer. If we use it with a page, will it be ins= ide (like in tango icon theme) our outside the page? Also there are two IMHO = similar icons - document-page-setup for set up page settings and document-properi= tes to set up/look at document properties. E.g. in tango document-page-setup is = listed in naming specs, but was never created(?), while document-properties does= look more or less what document-page-setup could look like. I would suggest to make these two icons (slightly) different. We can adop= t a bluecurve idea for document-properties using the tool alone (I would pref= er wrench [the one with orange handle] to the other three). I think, page is= not necesarry there, since the same icon is usually used for accesing whateve= r file properties, even of folders - that does not work good with page IMO. For document-page-setup I would pick the same tool as for document-properties= , but combine it with a page. Does it make sense to you? Also I added outlines to the #2 and #5 and their smaller versions. I thin= k they look better than the first version and #5 a little better than #2 IMO. Regards, Martin Sourada Attachments: [1] document-properties-2a_16.png (screwdriver, 16x16) [2] document-properties-2a_24.png (screwdriver, 24x24) [3] document-properties-2a_48.png (screwdriver, 48x48) [4] document-properties-5a_16.png (wrench, 16x16) [5] document-properties-5a_24.png (wrench, 24x24) [6] document-properties-5a_48.png (wrench, 48x48) Diana Fong napsal(a): > Ben Arnold wrote: >> On 07/03/07, Nicolas Mailhot wrote: >>> Diana Fong wrote: >>> >>> > I also would like to hear opinions about the use of the wrench or >>> > screwdriver + hammer metaphor currently used to represent 'properti= es' >>> > and 'setup' throughout the desktop, and how the use of the microsco= pe >>> > can cause confusion. >>> setup is very different from properties. You go into setup to change >>> stuff and have access to configuration utilities. OTOH properties are= >>> mostly used in passive look-at-it context, and a lot of properties ar= e >>> static >> >> Setup for base settings while properties are per-session or document? >> >> If I'm honest, the microscope would not work as well as a metaphor >> because that says 'search' or 'analyse' to me rather than properties. >> That said, I always look for the text alongside that icon because it >> is an easily identifiable word but that doesn't excuse it in toolbars.= >> The doc-prop-4 without the cog to the bottom-right and the single >> spanner in #2 are my personal favourites. I think #4 would fit in more= >> with the other action emblems and #4 gives across the idea of more >> core/basic settings well.=20 >=20 > 'Properties' does seem to present less options to change, however (usin= g > OpenOffice Writer as an example) it does seem that the user can set or > tweak some things. I think that's what's causing the confusion, the > ability to set changes. Therefore, I like Ben's explanation best...tha= t > setup is for base settings while properties are per-session/document.=20 > Both of which indicate some sort of tweaking or change, which a > microscope doesn't really convey. > I'd like to propose we continue to use the hammer/wrench for 'setup' > since we seem to all agree that 'setup' allows for the most change. As= > for properties, personally...I would like to stick with the same > hammer/wrench or cog symbol. However, I feel less strongly about this > point...as 'properties' also seem to present a lot of information that > is static as well. 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Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 252 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From martin.sourada at seznam.cz Fri Mar 9 21:27:45 2007 From: martin.sourada at seznam.cz (Martin Sourada) Date: Fri, 09 Mar 2007 22:27:45 +0100 Subject: document-page-setup or/and document-properties icon mockups. In-Reply-To: <45F1A796.9050002@redhat.com> References: <45EDE16F.1010701@seznam.cz> <45EDE8FB.7060305@seznam.cz> <45EEDA69.6040804@seznam.cz> <44582.192.54.193.51.1173285440.squirrel@rousalka.dyndns.org> <45EF113B.2000506@seznam.cz> <45EF13EF.8060500@seznam.cz> <1173299238.26092.1.camel@rousalka.dyndns.org> <45EF2A4A.2060609@seznam.cz> <45EF37A7.7080708@redhat.com> <1173307317.3690.11.camel@rousalka.dyndns.org> <9c3bfa1d0703081402y76057fc2w5633fc386bc45774@mail.gmail.com> <45F1A796.9050002@redhat.com> Message-ID: <45F1D151.7020602@seznam.cz> I am awfully sorry, but it I do not understand why my thunderbird puts sometimes the attachements inline at all. So, here's the message again, hopefully ok now. Agreed. Still, if we drop out the microscope idea, we still would have to decide, whether to use a tool with a page or without, whether it would be cog, wrench or screwdriver or hammer. If we use it with a page, will it be inside (like in tango icon theme) our outside the page? Also there are two IMHO similar icons - document-page-setup for set up page settings and document-properites to set up/look at document properties. E.g. in tango document-page-setup is listed in naming specs, but was never created(?), while document-properties does look more or less what document-page-setup could look like. I would suggest to make these two icons (slightly) different. We can adopt a bluecurve idea for document-properties using the tool alone (I would prefer wrench [the one with orange handle] to the other three). I think, page is not necesarry there, since the same icon is usually used for accesing whatever file properties, even of folders - that does not work good with page IMO. For document-page-setup I would pick the same tool as for document-properties, but combine it with a page. Does it make sense to you? Also I added outlines to the #2 and #5 and their smaller versions. I think they look better than the first version and #5 a little better than #2 IMO. Regards, Martin Sourada Attachments: [1] document-properties-2a_16.png (screwdriver, 16x16) [2] document-properties-2a_24.png (screwdriver, 24x24) [3] document-properties-2a_48.png (screwdriver, 48x48) [4] document-properties-5a_16.png (wrench, 16x16) [5] document-properties-5a_24.png (wrench, 24x24) [6] document-properties-5a_48.png (wrench, 48x48) Diana Fong napsal(a): > Ben Arnold wrote: >> On 07/03/07, Nicolas Mailhot wrote: >>> Diana Fong wrote: >>> >>> > I also would like to hear opinions about the use of the wrench or >>> > screwdriver + hammer metaphor currently used to represent 'properties' >>> > and 'setup' throughout the desktop, and how the use of the microscope >>> > can cause confusion. >>> setup is very different from properties. You go into setup to change >>> stuff and have access to configuration utilities. OTOH properties are >>> mostly used in passive look-at-it context, and a lot of properties are >>> static >> >> Setup for base settings while properties are per-session or document? >> >> If I'm honest, the microscope would not work as well as a metaphor >> because that says 'search' or 'analyse' to me rather than properties. >> That said, I always look for the text alongside that icon because it >> is an easily identifiable word but that doesn't excuse it in toolbars. >> The doc-prop-4 without the cog to the bottom-right and the single >> spanner in #2 are my personal favourites. I think #4 would fit in more >> with the other action emblems and #4 gives across the idea of more >> core/basic settings well. > > 'Properties' does seem to present less options to change, however (using > OpenOffice Writer as an example) it does seem that the user can set or > tweak some things. I think that's what's causing the confusion, the > ability to set changes. Therefore, I like Ben's explanation best...that > setup is for base settings while properties are per-session/document. > Both of which indicate some sort of tweaking or change, which a > microscope doesn't really convey. > I'd like to propose we continue to use the hammer/wrench for 'setup' > since we seem to all agree that 'setup' allows for the most change. As > for properties, personally...I would like to stick with the same > hammer/wrench or cog symbol. However, I feel less strongly about this > point...as 'properties' also seem to present a lot of information that > is static as well. We can definitely test out the microscope idea, and > see how people feel when used in context. > > To throw another related term in the mix...'preferences'...I think > should probably follow what we choose for 'setup' as it also allows for > much setting and changing of things. > > Thanks, > Diana Fong > --- > Red Hat Visual Designer > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list > -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: document-properties-2a_16.png Type: image/png Size: 732 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: document-properties-2a_24.png Type: image/png Size: 1300 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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You may view them at my home page. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/JohnBaer I'll upload to gnome-look to be consistent with the other submissions. Please feel free to modify these images for the best presentation possible. :) John From duffy at redhat.com Fri Mar 9 23:17:10 2007 From: duffy at redhat.com (=?UTF-8?B?TcOhaXLDrcKtbiBEdWZmeQ==?=) Date: Fri, 09 Mar 2007 18:17:10 -0500 Subject: Echo's software update icons In-Reply-To: <45F1D3E8.50900@thefinalzone.com> References: <45EF6DDA.60209@thefinalzone.com> <45EFB529.2030907@nicubunu.ro> <45F1D3E8.50900@thefinalzone.com> Message-ID: <45F1EAF6.1010908@redhat.com> Luya Tshimbalanga wrote: > Here the 24x24 version for Notification area. > Those status emblems are really difficult to discern because they are angled. If I hadn't seen the arrow and ! icons in the larger versions I'm not sure I would have been able to make them out at all. I would suggest a head-on perspective for the emblems. ~m From dfong at redhat.com Fri Mar 9 23:18:23 2007 From: dfong at redhat.com (Diana Fong) Date: Fri, 09 Mar 2007 18:18:23 -0500 Subject: Request: User Image Submissions - Deadline March 15, 2007 In-Reply-To: <1173481065.4354.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <20070309170004.7BA447332B@hormel.redhat.com> <1173481065.4354.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <45F1EB3F.4020909@redhat.com> John Baer wrote: > Diana, > > I put together a few svg submissions for your consideration. You may > view them at my home page. > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/JohnBaer > > I'll upload to gnome-look to be consistent with the other submissions. > Please feel free to modify these images for the best presentation > possible. > > :) > > John Hi John... Those are some pretty fantastic .svgs! My only suggestion is for the dolphin image...to crop it slightly closer to the subject so when resized to 48x48 and 24x24, users can see more of the dolphin's shape. The music player...is it ok that we have an ipod? Really great work. Thanks, Diana Fong --- Red Hat Visual Designer From markg85 at gmail.com Fri Mar 9 23:18:46 2007 From: markg85 at gmail.com (Mark) Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2007 00:18:46 +0100 Subject: Request: User Image Submissions - Deadline March 15, 2007 In-Reply-To: <1173481065.4354.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <20070309170004.7BA447332B@hormel.redhat.com> <1173481065.4354.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <6e24a8e80703091518od66abd6v97935d328eabfa84@mail.gmail.com> that looks good. specially the wallpaper and login screen :) 2007/3/9, John Baer : > > Diana, > > I put together a few svg submissions for your consideration. You may > view them at my home page. > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/JohnBaer > > I'll upload to gnome-look to be consistent with the other submissions. > Please feel free to modify these images for the best presentation > possible. > > :) > > John > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From stickster at gmail.com Sat Mar 10 01:13:05 2007 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Fri, 09 Mar 2007 20:13:05 -0500 Subject: Echo's software update icons In-Reply-To: <45F1EAF6.1010908@redhat.com> References: <45EF6DDA.60209@thefinalzone.com> <45EFB529.2030907@nicubunu.ro> <45F1D3E8.50900@thefinalzone.com> <45F1EAF6.1010908@redhat.com> Message-ID: <1173489185.11733.14.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Fri, 2007-03-09 at 18:17 -0500, M?ir??n Duffy wrote: > Luya Tshimbalanga wrote: > > Here the 24x24 version for Notification area. > > > Those status emblems are really difficult to discern because they are > angled. If I hadn't seen the arrow and ! icons in the larger versions > I'm not sure I would have been able to make them out at all. I would > suggest a head-on perspective for the emblems. +1. -- Paul W. Frields, RHCE http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 Fedora Project: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/PaulWFrields irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From luya_tfz at thefinalzone.com Sat Mar 10 02:54:52 2007 From: luya_tfz at thefinalzone.com (Luya Tshimbalanga) Date: Fri, 09 Mar 2007 18:54:52 -0800 Subject: Update: Echo's software update icons In-Reply-To: <45F1EAF6.1010908@redhat.com> References: <45EF6DDA.60209@thefinalzone.com> <45EFB529.2030907@nicubunu.ro> <45F1D3E8.50900@thefinalzone.com> <45F1EAF6.1010908@redhat.com> Message-ID: <45F21DFC.1020705@thefinalzone.com> M?ir??n Duffy wrote: > Those status emblems are really difficult to discern because they are > angled. If I hadn't seen the arrow and ! icons in the larger versions > I'm not sure I would have been able to make them out at all. I would > suggest a head-on perspective for the emblems. > Following the suggesting, here is the modified icon notification. -- ??D0 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: software-update-download24.png Type: image/png Size: 1388 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: software-update-error24.png Type: image/png Size: 1319 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: software-update-unavailable24.png Type: image/png Size: 1435 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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If I hadn't seen the arrow and ! icons in the larger versions > > I'm not sure I would have been able to make them out at all. I would > > suggest a head-on perspective for the emblems. > > > Following the suggesting, here is the modified icon notification. Dramatic improvement! Kudos. -- Paul W. Frields, RHCE http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 Fedora Project: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/PaulWFrields irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Frields) Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2007 10:05:05 -0500 Subject: preference-desktop-theme icon draft In-Reply-To: <45F2650E.8030907@fedoraproject.org> References: <45F21EEF.5020505@thefinalzone.com> <45F2650E.8030907@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <1173539105.11733.20.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Sat, 2007-03-10 at 13:28 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > Luya Tshimbalanga wrote: > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > Hash: SHA1 > > > > Using the monitor icon, I made a variation to fit > > preference-desktop-theme. Is 4 colors on screen enough or should we > > go with 9? > > > > Reminds me of the Windows logo. Can you try a few alternatives? Since window decoration is a big part of theming, how about: 1. Curtains/draperies 2. Paint can + brush (might collide with idea of art software, though) 3. Face mask -- Paul W. Frields, RHCE http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 Fedora Project: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/PaulWFrields irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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From duffy at redhat.com Sat Mar 10 17:20:06 2007 From: duffy at redhat.com (=?UTF-8?B?TcOhaXLDrcKtbiBEdWZmeQ==?=) Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2007 12:20:06 -0500 Subject: Update: Echo's software update icons In-Reply-To: <1173500306.11733.16.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <45EF6DDA.60209@thefinalzone.com> <45EFB529.2030907@nicubunu.ro> <45F1D3E8.50900@thefinalzone.com> <45F1EAF6.1010908@redhat.com> <45F21DFC.1020705@thefinalzone.com> <1173500306.11733.16.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <45F2E8C6.5040208@redhat.com> Paul W. Frields wrote: > On Fri, 2007-03-09 at 18:54 -0800, Luya Tshimbalanga wrote: > >> Following the suggesting, here is the modified icon notification. >> > > Dramatic improvement! Kudos. +1! It looks like you were able to align the emblems to the pixel grid and the results are fantastic. Great work! ~m From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Sat Mar 10 17:31:59 2007 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2007 23:01:59 +0530 Subject: Including artwork from older releases In-Reply-To: <45DFD02F.9090100@thefinalzone.com> References: <45DF5635.40105@fedoraproject.org> <45DFD02F.9090100@thefinalzone.com> Message-ID: <45F2EB8F.8020707@fedoraproject.org> Luya Tshimbalanga wrote: > Rahul Sundaram wrote: >> Hi >> >> Since the plan is to refresh the desktop theme for every release, we >> would invariably have folks who like the artwork in one of the >> previous releases better than the current one. Since we already have a >> rule about not including version numbers in the current release, can >> we continue to including the older themes in subsequent three releases >> or something like that? > I have not found the source version for each theme (they are in png > format). I looked the background of the oldest Fedora Core release, it > requires some tweak to remove the old text logo. Maybe Diana has the > original files. Luya, Paul or anyone else interested in packaging the older artwork from FC5 and FC6 for F7? Rahul From duffy at redhat.com Sat Mar 10 17:34:35 2007 From: duffy at redhat.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?M=E1ir=ED=ADn_Duffy?=) Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2007 12:34:35 -0500 Subject: Including artwork from older releases In-Reply-To: <45F2EB8F.8020707@fedoraproject.org> References: <45DF5635.40105@fedoraproject.org> <45DFD02F.9090100@thefinalzone.com> <45F2EB8F.8020707@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <45F2EC2B.8020702@redhat.com> Rahul Sundaram wrote: > Luya, Paul or anyone else interested in packaging the older artwork > from FC5 and FC6 for F7? I kinda think it'd be a lot nicer to package some of the themes we've put together that never made it, but maybe that's just me. John's new theme on his wiki page looks cool! ~m From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Sat Mar 10 17:59:01 2007 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2007 23:29:01 +0530 Subject: Including artwork from older releases In-Reply-To: <45F2EC2B.8020702@redhat.com> References: <45DF5635.40105@fedoraproject.org> <45DFD02F.9090100@thefinalzone.com> <45F2EB8F.8020707@fedoraproject.org> <45F2EC2B.8020702@redhat.com> Message-ID: <45F2F1E5.7070905@fedoraproject.org> M?ir??n Duffy wrote: > Rahul Sundaram wrote: >> Luya, Paul or anyone else interested in packaging the older artwork >> from FC5 and FC6 for F7? > I kinda think it'd be a lot nicer to package some of the themes we've > put together that never made it, but maybe that's just me. John's new > theme on his wiki page looks cool! One does not preclude the other. If folks are interested in packaging other themes, sure. Rahul From stickster at gmail.com Sat Mar 10 18:05:51 2007 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2007 13:05:51 -0500 Subject: Update: Echo's software update icons In-Reply-To: <45F2E8C6.5040208@redhat.com> References: <45EF6DDA.60209@thefinalzone.com> <45EFB529.2030907@nicubunu.ro> <45F1D3E8.50900@thefinalzone.com> <45F1EAF6.1010908@redhat.com> <45F21DFC.1020705@thefinalzone.com> <1173500306.11733.16.camel@localhost.localdomain> <45F2E8C6.5040208@redhat.com> Message-ID: <1173549951.11733.42.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Sat, 2007-03-10 at 12:20 -0500, M?ir??n Duffy wrote: > Paul W. Frields wrote: > > On Fri, 2007-03-09 at 18:54 -0800, Luya Tshimbalanga wrote: > > > >> Following the suggesting, here is the modified icon notification. > >> > > > > Dramatic improvement! Kudos. > +1! It looks like you were able to align the emblems to the pixel grid > and the results are fantastic. Great work! Would it be possible to similarly improve the existing icons that use emblems at the 24x24 size, to make them as legible as this one? I like the idea of using head-on emblems at all sizes, but particularly at the 24x24 size it will be vitally important. -- Paul W. Frields, RHCE http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 Fedora Project: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/PaulWFrields irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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John From duffy at redhat.com Sun Mar 11 01:01:36 2007 From: duffy at redhat.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?M=E1ir=ED=ADn_Duffy?=) Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2007 20:01:36 -0500 Subject: Request: User Image Submissions - Deadline March 15, 2007 In-Reply-To: <1173563150.6247.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1173563150.6247.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <45F354F0.3070704@redhat.com> John Baer wrote: > Diana, > > I added one more item to the list titled "Gnome Phone". I really like > the idea but it seems to struggle at the 96x96 size. :( > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/JohnBaer > > I'll wait to upload this one to gnome-look pending your advice on > improving the smaller image. John, isn't the one with the tree from an Ubuntu theme? Maybe try changing the colors so people don't think Ubuntu when they see it? ~m From markg85 at gmail.com Sun Mar 11 19:23:43 2007 From: markg85 at gmail.com (Mark) Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 20:23:43 +0100 Subject: Request: User Image Submissions - Deadline March 15, 2007 In-Reply-To: <1173563150.6247.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1173563150.6247.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <6e24a8e80703111223w5d952a00r348b30709d606e05@mail.gmail.com> or add some more light in the phone.... it somehow looks like it`s not finished. 2007/3/10, John Baer : > > Diana, > > I added one more item to the list titled "Gnome Phone". I really like > the idea but it seems to struggle at the 96x96 size. :( > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/JohnBaer > > I'll wait to upload this one to gnome-look pending your advice on > improving the smaller image. > > John > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gabriel.hurley at gmail.com Mon Mar 12 03:50:05 2007 From: gabriel.hurley at gmail.com (Gabriel Hurley) Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 22:50:05 -0500 Subject: Computer Echo Icon Message-ID: <395ebc340703112050l7b29e42cv63e3e76450110743@mail.gmail.com> I remember when the echo icon theme was first being developed, the "Computer" icon had a stylized version of the default wallpaper on the monitor. Now, it's just a blue screen. I think it would look great if there was hot air balloon wallpaper in the monitor. From luya_tfz at thefinalzone.com Mon Mar 12 06:09:29 2007 From: luya_tfz at thefinalzone.com (Luya Tshimbalanga) Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 23:09:29 -0700 Subject: To do list of echo-icon-theme Message-ID: <45F4EE99.4080207@thefinalzone.com> I created a wiki page[1] for the missing icons from echo-icon-theme related to the menu. I think these missing icons should be a high priority in order to make echo-icon-theme ready for Fedora 7 release. Any artists interested should pick up an icon they want to develop. Reference: http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-art-list/2007-February/msg00071.html [1]http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/LuyaTshimbalanga/Sandbox/EchoToDo -- ??D0 References: <45E9C422.80800@redhat.com> <45EDDB99.3000404@glezos.com> <45EEE6D8.7010203@redhat.com> Message-ID: <6e24a8e80703090727t27c19eeevede8924ce939f9c2@mail.gmail.com> What do you think of this image? might not pass as a "avater" image like the others i`ve seen so far but it looks good and simple. The second image that i attatched here (fedora_image_submit_sample.png) is just a idea i had to put oll the avater images in a nice looking decoration arround it. the idea is to have it a bit like the vista image with that decoration arround it.. i could mimic that but that wouldn`t do fedora any good i think What do you all think of it? 2007/3/7, Diana Fong : > > Dimitris Glezos wrote: > > O/H Diana Fong ??????: > > > >> With the implementation of Face-browser login [1] and Fast User > >> Switching for Fedora 7, a good set of User Images will add polish to > the > >> user experience. It is obvious that some of the existing User Images > >> (located at /user/share/pixmaps/faces) would benefit from an update. > >> Thus, if you are interested in submitting images, or suggestions of > what > >> you would like to see, for one of the 24 default images, please > >> contribute by: > >> > >> - posting to this thread, > >> > > > > Diana, > > > > I've searched my photos archive and created a zip of photos [1] that > could be > > even remotely useful for user images. > > > > [1]: http://dimitris.glezos.com/box/temp/glz-fedora-icons.zip (23 MB) > > > > My 2 cents.. :) > > > > -d > > > > > > > Dimitris, > > Great images...I particularly liked dsc02173.jpg Sadly, that one did > not resize well. > Here are the two (dsc_0021.jpg => butterfly, and dsc_5891.jpg => > swings_ride) that I think worked best from your set when resized. I > will upload them shortly to GNOME-looks.org. > > Thanks, > Diana Fong > ---- > Red Hat Visual Designer > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: fedora_image_submit copy.png Type: image/png Size: 95555 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Diana, my final effort for this image is at my wiki home page. :) John From duffy at redhat.com Mon Mar 12 13:33:52 2007 From: duffy at redhat.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?M=E1ir=ED=ADn_Duffy?=) Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 09:33:52 -0400 Subject: Fedora-art-list Digest, Vol 12, Issue 23 In-Reply-To: <1173695283.3762.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <20070311160005.8361E73030@hormel.redhat.com> <1173695283.3762.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <45F556C0.1000403@redhat.com> John Baer wrote: > Mo wrote: > >> Maybe try changing the colors so people don't think Ubuntu when they >> see it? >> > > lol, never connected those dots ... A part of me wanted to place some > Fedora branding in the image. The title could change to "fedoraPhone". > > I wasn't talking about the phone, I was talking about the tree. ~m From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Mon Mar 12 13:54:00 2007 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 15:54:00 +0200 Subject: Fedora-art-list Digest, Vol 12, Issue 23 In-Reply-To: <45F556C0.1000403@redhat.com> References: <20070311160005.8361E73030@hormel.redhat.com> <1173695283.3762.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> <45F556C0.1000403@redhat.com> Message-ID: <45F55B78.4080600@nicubunu.ro> M?ir??n Duffy wrote: > John Baer wrote: >> >> lol, never connected those dots ... A part of me wanted to place some >> Fedora branding in the image. The title could change to "fedoraPhone". >> >> > I wasn't talking about the phone, I was talking about the tree. I am not a Nazi, censoring content up and down, but I saw iPod images rejected by some Open Clip Art Library admins because they think the design is protected by trademarks and is not suitable for the library. I have no idea what the policy should be here (or if we should have any policy, hmmm, how about some nice anime or FF avatars?). -- nicu Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From dfong at redhat.com Mon Mar 12 15:54:19 2007 From: dfong at redhat.com (Diana Fong) Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 11:54:19 -0400 Subject: Fedora-art-list Digest, Vol 12, Issue 23 In-Reply-To: <1173695283.3762.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <20070311160005.8361E73030@hormel.redhat.com> <1173695283.3762.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <45F577AB.2010502@redhat.com> John Baer wrote: > Mo wrote: > >> Maybe try changing the colors so people don't think Ubuntu when they >> see it? >> > > lol, never connected those dots ... A part of me wanted to place some > Fedora branding in the image. The title could change to "fedoraPhone". > > Diana, my final effort for this image is at my wiki home page. > > :) > > John Also saw that you've uploaded them to gnome-look.org...thanks. Just as a note...I'm really not sure how well the ipod and iphone will work in legal terms. So please do not be offended if they are not included. Thanks again, Diana Fong --- Red Hat Visual Designer From dfong at redhat.com Mon Mar 12 16:05:21 2007 From: dfong at redhat.com (Diana Fong) Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 12:05:21 -0400 Subject: Computer Echo Icon In-Reply-To: <395ebc340703112050l7b29e42cv63e3e76450110743@mail.gmail.com> References: <395ebc340703112050l7b29e42cv63e3e76450110743@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <45F57A41.7080706@redhat.com> Gabriel Hurley wrote: > I remember when the echo icon theme was first being developed, the > "Computer" icon had a stylized version of the default wallpaper on the > monitor. Now, it's just a blue screen. I think it would look great if > there was hot air balloon wallpaper in the monitor. My original idea for that was to have the wallpaper of the computer icon correspond with the wallpaper currently being used on the desktop. This, however, requires code. If anyone is interested in looking into making this a reality, that would be super! Diana Fong --- Red Hat Visual Designer From baerjj at gmail.com Tue Mar 13 00:29:49 2007 From: baerjj at gmail.com (John Baer) Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 20:29:49 -0400 Subject: Fedora-art-list Digest, Vol 12, Issue 26 In-Reply-To: <20070312160005.337A6732A9@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20070312160005.337A6732A9@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1173745789.8291.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> Diana wrote: > Just as a note...I'm really not sure how well the ipod and iphone > will > work in legal terms. So please do not be offended if they are not > included. > No gPhone, no iPod, no uTree... You guys are no fun at all! lol :) John From baerjj at gmail.com Tue Mar 13 01:50:17 2007 From: baerjj at gmail.com (John Baer) Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 21:50:17 -0400 Subject: Fedora-art-list Digest, Vol 12, Issue 23 In-Reply-To: <20070312160005.337A6732A9@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20070312160005.337A6732A9@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1173750617.3898.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> Mo wrote: > I wasn't talking about the phone, I was talking about the tree. Ok, I added some blue to my ubuntu tree. lol :) John From rpmcruz at alunos.dcc.fc.up.pt Tue Mar 13 03:50:59 2007 From: rpmcruz at alunos.dcc.fc.up.pt (Ricardo Cruz) Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2007 03:50:59 +0000 Subject: Bluecurve style: announcing QSimpleStyle Message-ID: <1173757859.32610.7.camel@adelia.vilar> Hello there, This message is meant to be directed for Bluecurve developers. If you guys know of a better address please forward to it. I have recently started a project for having kde applications rendered as gtk ones (the inverse of gtk-qt-engine). For that, I have come up with a middle layer which I have called of QSimpleStyle. This framework sits on top of QStyle which it shapes into two methods; one for drawing primitives of the various elements of a widget, the other asks for attributes of the said elements. More info at: http://gtk4qt.sourceforge.net/qsimplestyle/ It is early work, but the efforts you spent with it are efforts you save from the maintenance of your style as it is especially useful for cross-desktop styles. Hope to hear from you. Cheers, Ricardo From baerjj at gmail.com Tue Mar 13 17:14:24 2007 From: baerjj at gmail.com (John Baer) Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2007 13:14:24 -0400 Subject: Request: User Image Submissions - Deadline March 15, 2007 Message-ID: <484ace5d0703131014x4a016d8bqd6d278ac1183c847@mail.gmail.com> Diana, I changed my music player submission to something more generic. I left the old submission as it seems to be getting some downloads. Looks like I didn't catch the subject line on my previous posts. Sorry ... :) John -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dfong at redhat.com Tue Mar 13 18:28:30 2007 From: dfong at redhat.com (Diana Fong) Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2007 14:28:30 -0400 Subject: Request: User Image Submissions - Deadline March 15, 2007 In-Reply-To: <484ace5d0703131014x4a016d8bqd6d278ac1183c847@mail.gmail.com> References: <484ace5d0703131014x4a016d8bqd6d278ac1183c847@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <45F6ED4E.70605@redhat.com> John Baer wrote: > Diana, > > I changed my music player submission to something more generic. I left > the old submission as it seems to be getting some downloads. > > Looks like I didn't catch the subject line on my previous posts. Sorry > ... > > :) > > John Thanks for the update. The sun of your 'Serengeti' image also looks a lot more vibrant with the complementary blue. Diana Fong --- Red Hat Visual Designer From ben.arnold.inbox at gmail.com Wed Mar 14 15:25:51 2007 From: ben.arnold.inbox at gmail.com (Ben Arnold) Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2007 15:25:51 +0000 Subject: Request: User Image Submissions - Deadline March 15, 2007 In-Reply-To: <45ED8AB9.1070009@redhat.com> References: <484ace5d0703060642m8b9c723ib453c4169308c157@mail.gmail.com> <45ED8AB9.1070009@redhat.com> Message-ID: <9c3bfa1d0703140825s60c1e7f6wad97bd53110d5eb0@mail.gmail.com> All, I've quickly made a couple of userimages; attached are the 2 zip file containing a few (sic) sizes. They are a bit dodgy in terms of photo quality (awful cameras) but doesn't look so bad in smaller sizes. My little stab at it and don't really mind if this doesn't end up in the final set! Thanks, ./b -- ..// seawolf //.. 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I hope I had not upset anyone by allowing such a big attachment. -- nicu Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From markg85 at gmail.com Wed Mar 14 16:51:01 2007 From: markg85 at gmail.com (Mark) Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2007 17:51:01 +0100 Subject: mockup for user information interface Message-ID: <6e24a8e80703140951m375ffc03q90b782c9d6a35f3d@mail.gmail.com> Hey, i don`t really know where to place this mockup besides on the gnome bug report (and as a feature there). oke.. IF the mockup gets ever in gnome itself or in fedore you can throw away this: http://img471.imageshack.us/my.php?image=screenshot2jg7.png this is my mockup: http://img405.imageshack.us/my.php?image=linuxpersonalinfomockupql1.png And some additional information: First the rounded image that you see in that window. my idea is that when you click on it the browse thing will come up and than you can choose a image than the image will be placed there INSIDE that rounded image. kinda like the vista and XP images. the text fields are all meant to have a light grey color and when you click on it they have a dark grey color. the DEFAULT text (Username, Password, etc) will be gone once you click on it. if you click out the textbox without entering anything the default text will come back. IF you enter a text and than click out the new text should be light grey. than when you click the box again (the one that now contains any text but the default stuff) won`t get cleaned once you click it wut your pointer will just be at the end of the text or where you clicked. the text won`t be deleted because it isn`t the default stuff. The window that you see doesn`t really exist. it`s all photoshopping. Everything that i describe here and in the image is possible with html + css + javascript so it MUST be possible to do this in c/c++/python coding. i just don`t have any knowledge of any of those languages (c/c++/python) so i can`t make it. i`m hoping to get some feedback on this and perhaps someone here that is willing to put this in Fedora 7 or even in the new gnome version :D looking forward to reply`s Mark. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From duffy at redhat.com Wed Mar 14 17:34:46 2007 From: duffy at redhat.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?M=E1ir=EDn_Duffy?=) Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2007 13:34:46 -0400 Subject: mockup for user information interface In-Reply-To: <6e24a8e80703140951m375ffc03q90b782c9d6a35f3d@mail.gmail.com> References: <6e24a8e80703140951m375ffc03q90b782c9d6a35f3d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <45F83236.20607@redhat.com> Hi Mark, Mark wrote: > i don`t really know where to place this mockup besides on the gnome bug > report (and as a feature there). Welcome to the group! For GNOME interface concerns/proposals, you may want to try one of the upstream GNOME lists such as the gnome-usability list. This list is for developing Fedora artwork. It's not really for interface design other than that specifically for the Fedora project (eg our website and Fedora-specific tools.) For GNOME, interface design is better addressed upstream within the GNOME project (and for other non-Fedora specific software applications upstream with their respective projects.) > oke.. IF the mockup gets ever in gnome itself or in fedore you can throw > away this: > http://img471.imageshack.us/my.php?image=screenshot2jg7.png > > this is my mockup: > http://img405.imageshack.us/my.php?image=linuxpersonalinfomockupql1.png > What are the advantages of your mockup over the current (and HIG-compliant [1]) screen? What issues are you trying to address / goals are you trying to accomplish? For example, because the form fields in your mockup don't have labels with shortcut keys. Will a visually-impaired user be able to target specific form fields without label shortcut keys? > And some additional information: > First the rounded image that you see in that window. my idea is that > when you click on it the browse thing will come up and than you can > choose a image than the image will be placed there INSIDE that rounded > image. kinda like the vista and XP images. Currently when you select an avatar in the GNOME 'About Me' dialog, it is displayed in the preview window, the behavior it seems you're seeking? So what improvement does this have to offer? > the text fields are all meant to have a light grey color and when you > click on it they have a dark grey color. the DEFAULT text (Username, > Password, etc) will be gone once you click on it. if you click out the > textbox without entering anything the default text will come back. This isn't standard form behavior (it's important to try to be consistent across applications on the desktop so users get used to the conventions) and as previously mentioned will likely cause accessibility problems. > IF you enter a text and than click out the new text should be light > grey. than when you click the box again (the one that now contains any > text but the default stuff) won`t get cleaned once you click it wut your > pointer will just be at the end of the text or where you clicked. the > text won`t be deleted because it isn`t the default stuff. If the text appears light grey by default, don't you think that would send a visual cue (by convention) to users that the text is immutable (when it is mutable) ? > The window that you see doesn`t really exist. it`s all photoshopping. I recommend the Gimp and Inkscape. If you design for Fedora you should use Fedora to do it, no? :) If you need help setting these up or using them feel free to ask here! > Everything that i describe here and in the image is possible with html + > css + javascript so it MUST be possible to do this in c/c++/python > coding. i just don`t have any knowledge of any of those languages > (c/c++/python) so i can`t make it. I am sure it is possible somehow but I am not so sure this mockup is really an improvement over the existing screen, possibly a step backwards for our friends who rely on accessibility support. I would be interested to hear what goals you have / issues you are trying to address with this mockup though as it's not clear to me. Maybe there are better, more compliant ways of addressing them? > i`m hoping to get some feedback on this and perhaps someone here that is > willing to put this in Fedora 7 or even in the new gnome version :D Hope this feedback helps. Even though I do not agree with the changes you have made in this mockup, it is clear that you are quite good at working with graphics tools so I hope you will stick around and are willing to learn more about interface design! ~m [1] http://developer.gnome.org/projects/gup/hig/ From duffy at redhat.com Wed Mar 14 17:39:00 2007 From: duffy at redhat.com (=?UTF-8?B?TcOhaXLDrW4gRHVmZnk=?=) Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2007 13:39:00 -0400 Subject: [Fwd: [Fedora Project Wiki] Update of "Artwork/ReleaseGraphics" by DimitrisGlezos] Message-ID: <45F83334.60605@redhat.com> Why bother? If we can't submit themes for Fedora, then why bother with this page? Instead, this page needs some severe refactoring to be repurposed to address third party folks looking to roll their own Fedora distributions and rip out the Fedora mark. The language about upload your mockups to here to be considered needs to be ripped out so people aren't misled (again). Also, that Tango artwork really needs to be attributed. $0.02 ~m -------------- next part -------------- An embedded message was scrubbed... From: fedorawiki-noreply at fedoraproject.org Subject: [Fedora Project Wiki] Update of "Artwork/ReleaseGraphics" by DimitrisGlezos Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2007 17:25:48 -0000 Size: 3374 URL: From markg85 at gmail.com Wed Mar 14 18:25:57 2007 From: markg85 at gmail.com (Mark) Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2007 19:25:57 +0100 Subject: mockup for user information interface In-Reply-To: <45F83236.20607@redhat.com> References: <6e24a8e80703140951m375ffc03q90b782c9d6a35f3d@mail.gmail.com> <45F83236.20607@redhat.com> Message-ID: <6e24a8e80703141125j25a1ffc5u759e8918898ceabb@mail.gmail.com> > > What are the advantages of your mockup over the current (and > HIG-compliant [1]) screen? What issues are you trying to address / goals > are you trying to accomplish? HIG-compliant [1]?? i have no idea what that is. furthermore i`m not actually trying to improve issues.. i`m just trying to improve the usabillity of those user images and user information and i don`t see any reason why you should have 2!! images for one user.. becuase that`s how it`s currently done. in this screenshot: http://img471.imageshack.us/my.php?image=screenshot2jg7.png you see the windows: - Login Photo Preferences - For example, because the form fields in your mockup don't have labels > with shortcut keys. Will a visually-impaired user be able to target > specific form fields without label shortcut keys? well.. that`s for the coding (which i can`t do) people to make. i think those shortcut keys can just be addressed in the code.. for example: CTRL+U = Username field 2007/3/14, M?ir?n Duffy : > > Hi Mark, > > Mark wrote: > > i don`t really know where to place this mockup besides on the gnome bug > > report (and as a feature there). > > Welcome to the group! > > For GNOME interface concerns/proposals, you may want to try one of the > upstream GNOME lists such as the gnome-usability list. This list is for > developing Fedora artwork. It's not really for interface design other > than that specifically for the Fedora project (eg our website and > Fedora-specific tools.) For GNOME, interface design is better addressed > upstream within the GNOME project (and for other non-Fedora specific > software applications upstream with their respective projects.) > > > oke.. IF the mockup gets ever in gnome itself or in fedore you can throw > > away this: > > http://img471.imageshack.us/my.php?image=screenshot2jg7.png > > > > this is my mockup: > > http://img405.imageshack.us/my.php?image=linuxpersonalinfomockupql1.png > > > > > What are the advantages of your mockup over the current (and > HIG-compliant [1]) screen? What issues are you trying to address / goals > are you trying to accomplish? > > For example, because the form fields in your mockup don't have labels > with shortcut keys. Will a visually-impaired user be able to target > specific form fields without label shortcut keys? > > > And some additional information: > > First the rounded image that you see in that window. my idea is that > > when you click on it the browse thing will come up and than you can > > choose a image than the image will be placed there INSIDE that rounded > > image. kinda like the vista and XP images. > > Currently when you select an avatar in the GNOME 'About Me' dialog, it > is displayed in the preview window, the behavior it seems you're > seeking? So what improvement does this have to offer? > > > the text fields are all meant to have a light grey color and when you > > click on it they have a dark grey color. the DEFAULT text (Username, > > Password, etc) will be gone once you click on it. if you click out the > > textbox without entering anything the default text will come back. > > This isn't standard form behavior (it's important to try to be > consistent across applications on the desktop so users get used to the > conventions) and as previously mentioned will likely cause accessibility > problems. > > > IF you enter a text and than click out the new text should be light > > grey. than when you click the box again (the one that now contains any > > text but the default stuff) won`t get cleaned once you click it wut your > > pointer will just be at the end of the text or where you clicked. the > > text won`t be deleted because it isn`t the default stuff. > > If the text appears light grey by default, don't you think that would > send a visual cue (by convention) to users that the text is immutable > (when it is mutable) ? > > > The window that you see doesn`t really exist. it`s all photoshopping. > > I recommend the Gimp and Inkscape. If you design for Fedora you should > use Fedora to do it, no? :) If you need help setting these up or using > them feel free to ask here! > > > Everything that i describe here and in the image is possible with html + > > css + javascript so it MUST be possible to do this in c/c++/python > > coding. i just don`t have any knowledge of any of those languages > > (c/c++/python) so i can`t make it. > > I am sure it is possible somehow but I am not so sure this mockup is > really an improvement over the existing screen, possibly a step > backwards for our friends who rely on accessibility support. I would be > interested to hear what goals you have / issues you are trying to > address with this mockup though as it's not clear to me. Maybe there are > better, more compliant ways of addressing them? > > > i`m hoping to get some feedback on this and perhaps someone here that is > > willing to put this in Fedora 7 or even in the new gnome version :D > > Hope this feedback helps. Even though I do not agree with the changes > you have made in this mockup, it is clear that you are quite good at > working with graphics tools so I hope you will stick around and are > willing to learn more about interface design! > > ~m > > [1] http://developer.gnome.org/projects/gup/hig/ > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From duffy at redhat.com Wed Mar 14 18:36:42 2007 From: duffy at redhat.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?M=E1ir=EDn_Duffy?=) Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2007 14:36:42 -0400 Subject: mockup for user information interface In-Reply-To: <6e24a8e80703141125j25a1ffc5u759e8918898ceabb@mail.gmail.com> References: <6e24a8e80703140951m375ffc03q90b782c9d6a35f3d@mail.gmail.com> <45F83236.20607@redhat.com> <6e24a8e80703141125j25a1ffc5u759e8918898ceabb@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <45F840BA.5030806@redhat.com> Mark wrote: > What are the advantages of your mockup over the current (and > HIG-compliant [1]) screen? What issues are you trying to address / > goals > are you trying to accomplish? > > > HIG-compliant [1]?? i have no idea what that is. The [1] is a footnote reference. The footnote I provided points to: http://developer.gnome.org/projects/gup/hig/ I advise you read this document if you'd like to provide useful interface mockups for GNOME as it's the guidelines that all GNOME apps are supposed to adhere to. > furthermore i`m not actually trying to improve issues.. i`m just trying > to improve the usabillity of those user images and user information and > i don`t see any reason why you should have 2!! images for one user.. So you are trying to solve a problem whereby there are two images for one user? Can you elaborate? > becuase that`s how it`s currently done. in this screenshot: > http://img471.imageshack.us/my.php?image=screenshot2jg7.png you see the > windows: > - Login Photo Preferences Where does the logo photo preferences window come from? Using FC 6 at least I don't see that Window. Using Fedora Core 6, I click on the little icon next to the 'Fedora Live CD' text in the 'About Fedora Live CD' window, select a graphic, and it appears in the little icon. When I log out of Fedora, and if I use a face browser GDM theme, then I see that same photo next to my name. There is no 'Login Photo Preferences' window that I am familiar with? How did you get to that window? > For example, because the form fields in your mockup don't have labels > with shortcut keys. Will a visually-impaired user be able to target > specific form fields without label shortcut keys? > > > well.. that`s for the coding (which i can`t do) people to make. i think > those shortcut keys can just be addressed in the code.. for example: > CTRL+U = Username field Do you see how in the current screen, the shortcuts are underlined? How would a user know to hit Ctrl + U? Also, is the Ctrl + U key combination bound to some other function? (probably) Also, how does changing these text fields to a non-standard format address the issue you're focused on - the two user icon window issue? What are you trying to solve with these changes? Do you understand the potential problems they might cause? ~m From markg85 at gmail.com Wed Mar 14 18:48:00 2007 From: markg85 at gmail.com (Mark) Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2007 19:48:00 +0100 Subject: mockup for user information interface In-Reply-To: <45F83236.20607@redhat.com> References: <6e24a8e80703140951m375ffc03q90b782c9d6a35f3d@mail.gmail.com> <45F83236.20607@redhat.com> Message-ID: <6e24a8e80703141148n1a0f843ch94f93ccbe31b1456@mail.gmail.com> *** this is the real rply. the other one was a mistake :P i pressed enter instead of shift.. What are the advantages of your mockup over the current (and > HIG-compliant [1]) screen? What issues are you trying to address / goals > are you trying to accomplish? HIG-compliant [1]?? i have no idea what that is. furthermore i`m not actually trying to improve issues.. i`m just trying to improve the usabillity of those user images and user information and i don`t see any reason why you should have 2!! images for one user.. becuase that`s how it`s currently done. in this screenshot: http://img471.imageshack.us/my.php?image=screenshot2jg7.png you see the windows: - Login Photo Preferences - About Fedora Live CD if you change the user photo in one of the 2 dialogs it won`t change in the other dialog.. don`t know if it`s a bug or just some logic i don`t uderstand. so therefore i made this mockup to "combine" those 2 wondows in a new window and have a better and clean interface for it. For example, because the form fields in your mockup don't have labels > with shortcut keys. Will a visually-impaired user be able to target > specific form fields without label shortcut keys? well.. that`s for the coding (which i can`t do) people to make. i think those shortcut keys can just be addressed in the code.. for example: CTRL+U = Username field Currently when you select an avatar in the GNOME 'About Me' dialog, it > is displayed in the preview window, the behavior it seems you're > seeking? So what improvement does this have to offer? none in that case.. just info that belongs together in a window together and not seperated. "About Me" and "Login Photo" should be in the same window.. since the login photo is a "personal" setting and personal settings have a nice place in the About me window This isn't standard form behavior (it's important to try to be > consistent across applications on the desktop so users get used to the > conventions) and as previously mentioned will likely cause accessibility > problems. i don`t see how that could be a accessibility problem.. If the text appears light grey by default, don't you think that would > send a visual cue (by convention) to users that the text is immutable > (when it is mutable) ? nope. if you can`t edit text the complete textfield should be "lighter". i don`t see a problem with this. I recommend the Gimp and Inkscape. If you design for Fedora you should > use Fedora to do it, no? :) If you need help setting these up or using > them feel free to ask here! hehe i don`t agree on that. i`m formilliar with photoshop and not with gimp or inkskape. but when i`m going to fedora for the full 100% i will try to learn those :) btw.. i can`t use fedora at this moment because pressing print screen completely killed gnome (FC7 test 2 latest updates) so i removed fedora.. next fedora install is probably with FC7 test 3 Hope this feedback helps. Even though I do not agree with the changes > you have made in this mockup, it is clear that you are quite good at > working with graphics tools so I hope you will stick around and are > willing to learn more about interface design! insulting me on my graphics design isn`t nice :P btw.. the thing with the red borders is a comment box.. that`s NOT part of the mockup.. just to explain some little stuff that otherwise would be hard to figure out. and i don`t see anything wrong with the rest of my mockup.. i could add some nifty things but that would be harder to code. and i would be glad to learn more things with graphics. also let me point out that i made this stuff because i simply can`t understand that there are 2 different user images for users while you hardly see any of those anywhere.. i never encounted them on my default FC7 installations. also the best thing i could think of with this stuff is a so called "Edit in place" for the form. thanx for the feedback so far 2007/3/14, M?ir?n Duffy : > > Hi Mark, > > Mark wrote: > > i don`t really know where to place this mockup besides on the gnome bug > > report (and as a feature there). > > Welcome to the group! > > For GNOME interface concerns/proposals, you may want to try one of the > upstream GNOME lists such as the gnome-usability list. This list is for > developing Fedora artwork. It's not really for interface design other > than that specifically for the Fedora project (eg our website and > Fedora-specific tools.) For GNOME, interface design is better addressed > upstream within the GNOME project (and for other non-Fedora specific > software applications upstream with their respective projects.) > > > oke.. IF the mockup gets ever in gnome itself or in fedore you can throw > > away this: > > http://img471.imageshack.us/my.php?image=screenshot2jg7.png > > > > this is my mockup: > > http://img405.imageshack.us/my.php?image=linuxpersonalinfomockupql1.png > > > > > What are the advantages of your mockup over the current (and > HIG-compliant [1]) screen? What issues are you trying to address / goals > are you trying to accomplish? > > For example, because the form fields in your mockup don't have labels > with shortcut keys. Will a visually-impaired user be able to target > specific form fields without label shortcut keys? > > > And some additional information: > > First the rounded image that you see in that window. my idea is that > > when you click on it the browse thing will come up and than you can > > choose a image than the image will be placed there INSIDE that rounded > > image. kinda like the vista and XP images. > > Currently when you select an avatar in the GNOME 'About Me' dialog, it > is displayed in the preview window, the behavior it seems you're > seeking? So what improvement does this have to offer? > > > the text fields are all meant to have a light grey color and when you > > click on it they have a dark grey color. the DEFAULT text (Username, > > Password, etc) will be gone once you click on it. if you click out the > > textbox without entering anything the default text will come back. > > This isn't standard form behavior (it's important to try to be > consistent across applications on the desktop so users get used to the > conventions) and as previously mentioned will likely cause accessibility > problems. > > > IF you enter a text and than click out the new text should be light > > grey. than when you click the box again (the one that now contains any > > text but the default stuff) won`t get cleaned once you click it wut your > > pointer will just be at the end of the text or where you clicked. the > > text won`t be deleted because it isn`t the default stuff. > > If the text appears light grey by default, don't you think that would > send a visual cue (by convention) to users that the text is immutable > (when it is mutable) ? > > > The window that you see doesn`t really exist. it`s all photoshopping. > > I recommend the Gimp and Inkscape. If you design for Fedora you should > use Fedora to do it, no? :) If you need help setting these up or using > them feel free to ask here! > > > Everything that i describe here and in the image is possible with html + > > css + javascript so it MUST be possible to do this in c/c++/python > > coding. i just don`t have any knowledge of any of those languages > > (c/c++/python) so i can`t make it. > > I am sure it is possible somehow but I am not so sure this mockup is > really an improvement over the existing screen, possibly a step > backwards for our friends who rely on accessibility support. I would be > interested to hear what goals you have / issues you are trying to > address with this mockup though as it's not clear to me. Maybe there are > better, more compliant ways of addressing them? > > > i`m hoping to get some feedback on this and perhaps someone here that is > > willing to put this in Fedora 7 or even in the new gnome version :D > > Hope this feedback helps. Even though I do not agree with the changes > you have made in this mockup, it is clear that you are quite good at > working with graphics tools so I hope you will stick around and are > willing to learn more about interface design! > > ~m > > [1] http://developer.gnome.org/projects/gup/hig/ > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mclasen at redhat.com Wed Mar 14 18:50:54 2007 From: mclasen at redhat.com (Matthias Clasen) Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2007 14:50:54 -0400 Subject: mockup for user information interface In-Reply-To: <6e24a8e80703140951m375ffc03q90b782c9d6a35f3d@mail.gmail.com> References: <6e24a8e80703140951m375ffc03q90b782c9d6a35f3d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1173898254.32248.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Wed, 2007-03-14 at 17:51 +0100, Mark wrote: > Hey, > > i don`t really know where to place this mockup besides on the gnome > bug report (and as a feature there). > > oke.. IF the mockup gets ever in gnome itself or in fedore you can > throw away this: > http://img471.imageshack.us/my.php?image=screenshot2jg7.png Note that the login-photo-preferences are not really used in Fedora; while we install the application, it is not in the menus, and you can use the about-me capplet to change the login photo, too. > > this is my mockup: > http://img405.imageshack.us/my.php?image=linuxpersonalinfomockupql1.png > > And some additional information: > First the rounded image that you see in that window. my idea is that > when you click on it the browse thing will come up and than you can > choose a image than the image will be placed there INSIDE that rounded > image. kinda like the vista and XP images. > > the text fields are all meant to have a light grey color and when you > click on it they have a dark grey color. the DEFAULT text (Username, > Password, etc) will be gone once you click on it. if you click out the > textbox without entering anything the default text will come back. > > IF you enter a text and than click out the new text should be light > grey. than when you click the box again (the one that now contains any > text but the default stuff) won`t get cleaned once you click it wut > your pointer will just be at the end of the text or where you clicked. > the text won`t be deleted because it isn`t the default stuff Sorry, but all this color-coding is not going to work very well with themes and is going to be problematic from an a11y perspective. Please say with the regular and proven Label+Entry approach to text fields. Matthias From duffy at redhat.com Wed Mar 14 18:59:31 2007 From: duffy at redhat.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?M=E1ir=EDn_Duffy?=) Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2007 14:59:31 -0400 Subject: mockup for user information interface In-Reply-To: <6e24a8e80703141148n1a0f843ch94f93ccbe31b1456@mail.gmail.com> References: <6e24a8e80703140951m375ffc03q90b782c9d6a35f3d@mail.gmail.com> <45F83236.20607@redhat.com> <6e24a8e80703141148n1a0f843ch94f93ccbe31b1456@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <45F84613.8080003@redhat.com> Mark wrote: > *** this is the real rply. the other one was a mistake :P i pressed > enter instead of shift.. I addressed the other comments in my other reply so I will not repeat them here. [snip] > none in that case.. just info that belongs together in a window together > and not seperated. "About Me" and "Login Photo" should be in the same > window.. since the login photo is a "personal" setting and personal > settings have a nice place in the About me window If it is not an improvement....? > > This isn't standard form behavior (it's important to try to be > consistent across applications on the desktop so users get used to the > conventions) and as previously mentioned will likely cause accessibility > problems. > > > i don`t see how that could be a accessibility problem.. It is a very big accessibility problem. If someone cannot access the form field to fill it out, they can't fill it out, and thus they can't use the application. > If the text appears light grey by default, don't you think that would > send a visual cue (by convention) to users that the text is immutable > (when it is mutable) ? > > > nope. if you can`t edit text the complete textfield should be "lighter". > i don`t see a problem with this. There's only so light you go before the text becomes unreadable. The standard convention is that immutable text is light grey, so if you color your text light grey people are going to assume its immutable. Really. Print out your mockup and show it to 7 people, and ask them how they would use that dialog. I bet at least 2 or 3 of them will wonder if they can actually edit the text. Web UI patterns do not always translate to desktop app models and vice-versa. > I recommend the Gimp and Inkscape. If you design for Fedora you should > use Fedora to do it, no? :) If you need help setting these up or using > them feel free to ask here! > > > hehe i don`t agree on that. Surely there's a reason you're trying to migrate to Fedora? Why is photoshop an exception to that? > Hope this feedback helps. Even though I do not agree with the changes > you have made in this mockup, it is clear that you are quite good at > working with graphics tools so I hope you will stick around and are > willing to learn more about interface design! > > > insulting me on my graphics design isn`t nice :P btw.. Hey now Mark, I was not insulting your graphics design skills at all! I was complimenting them. What I was suggesting you might look to do is work on understanding some interface design principles. It is one thing to mock up a pretty interface (which you are clearly capable of), but it is quite a bit more complicated to mock up a pretty interface that is also usable and fits within the established conventions, right? Remember, you actively sought feedback here, and I am just trying to provide you with feedback to help you improve. I am not trying to insult you at all. I hope you can understand? > the thing with > the red borders is a comment box.. that`s NOT part of the mockup.. I understood that quite clearly and did not assume it was part of the mockup nor did I even mention it in my comments. > just > to explain some little stuff that otherwise would be hard to figure out. That is what I tried to do by explaining about how the form fields you mocked up will not be accessibility-compliant and suggesting that you take a look at the GNOME HIG. > and i don`t see anything wrong with the rest of my mockup.. i could add > some nifty things but that would be harder to code. > and i would be glad to learn more things with graphics. I think you are already quite skilled with graphics. What you need to learn more about is interface design. > > also let me point out that i made this stuff because i simply can`t > understand that there are 2 different user images for users while you > hardly see any of those anywhere.. i never encounted them on my default > FC7 installations. That is a perfectly reasonable complaint; I have not used the Fedora Live CD, only Fedora 6 so I never experienced that 2 dialog issue but I agree that it is a problem. > also the best thing i could think of with this stuff is a so called > "Edit in place" for the form. What is the advantage of the edit in place over the current label + form field model? > thanx for the feedback so far Yep, I hope you haven't been too turned off and can take this as a learning experience? ~m From martin.sourada at seznam.cz Wed Mar 14 19:17:47 2007 From: martin.sourada at seznam.cz (Martin Sourada) Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2007 20:17:47 +0100 Subject: document-page-setup or/and document-properties icon mockups. In-Reply-To: <45F1D151.7020602@seznam.cz> References: <45EDE16F.1010701@seznam.cz> <45EDE8FB.7060305@seznam.cz> <45EEDA69.6040804@seznam.cz> <44582.192.54.193.51.1173285440.squirrel@rousalka.dyndns.org> <45EF113B.2000506@seznam.cz> <45EF13EF.8060500@seznam.cz> <1173299238.26092.1.camel@rousalka.dyndns.org> <45EF2A4A.2060609@seznam.cz> <45EF37A7.7080708@redhat.com> <1173307317.3690.11.camel@rousalka.dyndns.org> <9c3bfa1d0703081402y76057fc2w5633fc386bc45774@mail.gmail.com> <45F1A796.9050002@redhat.com> <45F1D151.7020602@seznam.cz> Message-ID: <45F84A5B.2010806@seznam.cz> There seems to be no other comments or suggestions regarding these icons, so, would everyone agree if I use the wrench (with orange handle) for document-properties and page with wrench for document-page-setup? Thanks, Martin -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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In-Reply-To: <45F84A5B.2010806@seznam.cz> References: <45EDE16F.1010701@seznam.cz> <45EDE8FB.7060305@seznam.cz> <45EEDA69.6040804@seznam.cz> <44582.192.54.193.51.1173285440.squirrel@rousalka.dyndns.org> <45EF113B.2000506@seznam.cz> <45EF13EF.8060500@seznam.cz> <1173299238.26092.1.camel@rousalka.dyndns.org> <45EF2A4A.2060609@seznam.cz> <45EF37A7.7080708@redhat.com> <1173307317.3690.11.camel@rousalka.dyndns.org> <9c3bfa1d0703081402y76057fc2w5633fc386bc45774@mail.gmail.com> <45F1A796.9050002@redhat.com> <45F1D151.7020602@seznam.cz> <45F84A5B.2010806@seznam.cz> Message-ID: <45F84B14.6060205@redhat.com> Martin Sourada wrote: > There seems to be no other comments or suggestions regarding these icons, so, > would everyone agree if I use the wrench (with orange handle) for > document-properties and page with wrench for document-page-setup? I'm ok with that. Diana Fong --- Red Hat Visual Designer From markg85 at gmail.com Wed Mar 14 19:48:46 2007 From: markg85 at gmail.com (Mark) Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2007 20:48:46 +0100 Subject: mockup for user information interface In-Reply-To: <45F84613.8080003@redhat.com> References: <6e24a8e80703140951m375ffc03q90b782c9d6a35f3d@mail.gmail.com> <45F83236.20607@redhat.com> <6e24a8e80703141148n1a0f843ch94f93ccbe31b1456@mail.gmail.com> <45F84613.8080003@redhat.com> Message-ID: <6e24a8e80703141248v6774b6d2ld0843430a70064f8@mail.gmail.com> > Hope this feedback helps. Even though I do not agree with the changes > you have made in this mockup, it is clear that you are quite good at > working with graphics tools so I hope you will stick around and are > willing to learn more about interface design! > > > insulting me on my graphics design isn`t nice :P btw.. Hey now Mark, I was not insulting your graphics design skills at all! I > was complimenting them. What I was suggesting you might look to do is > work on understanding some interface design principles. It is one thing > to mock up a pretty interface (which you are clearly capable of), but it > is quite a bit more complicated to mock up a pretty interface that is > also usable and fits within the established conventions, right? > Remember, you actively sought feedback here, and I am just trying to > provide you with feedback to help you improve. I am not trying to insult > you at all. I hope you can understand? o damn.. mistake :P in your first reply i read: "it is clear that you are NOT quite good....." but that "not" wasn`t even in there :P i don`t know why i read it that way.. sorry. thanx for the compliment ^_^ and: "I am not trying to insult you at all. I hope you can understand?" i completely understand it ^_^ thanx. > What is the advantage of the edit in place over the current label + form > field model? > well.. with edit in place you have it in a way better looking design and is (in my opinion) alot more user friendly. perhaps a edit in place with a small icon bisides it that indicates that you can edit it. thinking ahead is also possible instead of sticking with the current gnome HIG :) (btw.. i looked over some pages in the current HIG and i can`t really say that it`s a good example.. it looks like it`s from the windows 3.1 age (about 20 years ago)) things need to go forward if that`s a improvement ofcause. Where does the logo photo preferences window come from? i browsed through the gnome menu`s and found it... nothing special Do you see how in the current screen, the shortcuts are underlined? How > would a user know to hit Ctrl + U? Also, is the Ctrl + U key combination > bound to some other function? (probably) no.. lets just do that the same way it was done before. otherwise users can browse through the fields with the TAB button on the keyboard. Yep, I hope you haven't been too turned off and can take this as a > learning experience? hehe don`t worry i`m learning from this :) and some more stuff i might forgor to mention... in the current gnome (all apps) i hate it that it`s not as "feeling natural" as i would like it to be and that alot parts are looking like: "quickly done and it works so leave it alone" jobs (sorry if i offended anyone) but now that the linux community is growing alot (specially fedora) i think it`s time to spend some time in the user interfaces aswell instead of only improving the coding (not that improving the coding is wrong.. absolutely not) gnome just misses alot of things that i miss and i try to improve it a bit by contibuting. in this case it`s a mockup but i`ve also reported a few bugs and uasbillity issues (like that thumbnails are way out of scale compared to icons and truncating long text and another one.. don`t know which one it was) this mockup might not really improve the way gnome works but it`s surely improving the user settings panel. o and i took the Live CD because my fc7 test 2 installation decided to kill itself with printscreen (reported on bugzilla) waiting for reply`s :) Mark. 2007/3/14, M?ir?n Duffy : > > Mark wrote: > > *** this is the real rply. the other one was a mistake :P i pressed > > enter instead of shift.. > > I addressed the other comments in my other reply so I will not repeat > them here. > > [snip] > > > none in that case.. just info that belongs together in a window together > > and not seperated. "About Me" and "Login Photo" should be in the same > > window.. since the login photo is a "personal" setting and personal > > settings have a nice place in the About me window > > If it is not an improvement....? > > > > This isn't standard form behavior (it's important to try to be > > consistent across applications on the desktop so users get used to > the > > conventions) and as previously mentioned will likely cause > accessibility > > problems. > > > > > > i don`t see how that could be a accessibility problem.. > > It is a very big accessibility problem. If someone cannot access the > form field to fill it out, they can't fill it out, and thus they can't > use the application. > > > If the text appears light grey by default, don't you think that > would > > send a visual cue (by convention) to users that the text is > immutable > > (when it is mutable) ? > > > > > > nope. if you can`t edit text the complete textfield should be "lighter". > > i don`t see a problem with this. > > There's only so light you go before the text becomes unreadable. The > standard convention is that immutable text is light grey, so if you > color your text light grey people are going to assume its immutable. > Really. Print out your mockup and show it to 7 people, and ask them how > they would use that dialog. I bet at least 2 or 3 of them will wonder if > they can actually edit the text. > > Web UI patterns do not always translate to desktop app models and > vice-versa. > > > I recommend the Gimp and Inkscape. If you design for Fedora you > should > > use Fedora to do it, no? :) If you need help setting these up or > using > > them feel free to ask here! > > > > > > hehe i don`t agree on that. > > Surely there's a reason you're trying to migrate to Fedora? Why is > photoshop an exception to that? > > > Hope this feedback helps. Even though I do not agree with the > changes > > you have made in this mockup, it is clear that you are quite good at > > working with graphics tools so I hope you will stick around and are > > willing to learn more about interface design! > > > > > > insulting me on my graphics design isn`t nice :P btw.. > > Hey now Mark, I was not insulting your graphics design skills at all! I > was complimenting them. What I was suggesting you might look to do is > work on understanding some interface design principles. It is one thing > to mock up a pretty interface (which you are clearly capable of), but it > is quite a bit more complicated to mock up a pretty interface that is > also usable and fits within the established conventions, right? > Remember, you actively sought feedback here, and I am just trying to > provide you with feedback to help you improve. I am not trying to insult > you at all. I hope you can understand? > > > the thing with > > the red borders is a comment box.. that`s NOT part of the mockup.. > > I understood that quite clearly and did not assume it was part of the > mockup nor did I even mention it in my comments. > > > just > > to explain some little stuff that otherwise would be hard to figure out. > > That is what I tried to do by explaining about how the form fields you > mocked up will not be accessibility-compliant and suggesting that you > take a look at the GNOME HIG. > > > and i don`t see anything wrong with the rest of my mockup.. i could add > > some nifty things but that would be harder to code. > > and i would be glad to learn more things with graphics. > > I think you are already quite skilled with graphics. What you need to > learn more about is interface design. > > > > also let me point out that i made this stuff because i simply can`t > > understand that there are 2 different user images for users while you > > hardly see any of those anywhere.. i never encounted them on my default > > FC7 installations. > > That is a perfectly reasonable complaint; I have not used the Fedora > Live CD, only Fedora 6 so I never experienced that 2 dialog issue but I > agree that it is a problem. > > > also the best thing i could think of with this stuff is a so called > > "Edit in place" for the form. > > What is the advantage of the edit in place over the current label + form > field model? > > > thanx for the feedback so far > > Yep, I hope you haven't been too turned off and can take this as a > learning experience? > > ~m > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From duffy at redhat.com Wed Mar 14 20:11:05 2007 From: duffy at redhat.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?M=E1ir=EDn_Duffy?=) Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2007 16:11:05 -0400 Subject: mockup for user information interface In-Reply-To: <6e24a8e80703141248v6774b6d2ld0843430a70064f8@mail.gmail.com> References: <6e24a8e80703140951m375ffc03q90b782c9d6a35f3d@mail.gmail.com> <45F83236.20607@redhat.com> <6e24a8e80703141148n1a0f843ch94f93ccbe31b1456@mail.gmail.com> <45F84613.8080003@redhat.com> <6e24a8e80703141248v6774b6d2ld0843430a70064f8@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <45F856D9.1000609@redhat.com> Mark wrote: > What is the advantage of the edit in place over the current label + form > field model? > > > well.. with edit in place you have it in a way better looking design and > is (in my opinion) alot more user friendly. It's not enough to have an opinion. You should test both designs and see if that truly is the case. You can test paper mockups if you need to. (see http://www.useit.com/alertbox/20030414.html). Check out www.betterdesktop.org for more information about user testing. You'll see in a few of those usability testing reports that things usability professionals thought might be more usable were actually less so in practice than they thought (and vice-versa). > perhaps a edit in place with > a small icon bisides it that indicates that you can edit it. thinking > ahead is also possible instead of sticking with the current gnome HIG :) Brainstorming is fine but it is not a good idea to impose untested ideas in a piece meal fashion to achieve progress. > (btw.. i looked over some pages in the current HIG and i can`t really > say that it`s a good example.. it looks like it`s from the windows 3.1 > age (about 20 years ago)) things need to go forward if that`s a > improvement ofcause. Did you look at the 2.0 HIG or the development version (there is a link to the development version on that page) Looks and interactions are different. Just because the screenshots in the hig may show a very old GTK theme doesn't mean the principles aren't the same for the newer, nicer-looking GTK themes like clearlooks. > Do you see how in the current screen, the shortcuts are underlined? How > would a user know to hit Ctrl + U? Also, is the Ctrl + U key combination > bound to some other function? (probably) > > > no.. lets just do that the same way it was done before. otherwise users > can browse through the fields with the TAB button on the keyboard. What if the user already filled out the form and realized they misspelled something in the 3 field. You want them to cycle through the complete set of items with Tab? I don't think so. Try setting up Orca (The gnome accessibility system) and try to use it for a day. The problem will become exceedingly clear to you then, I think. > and some more stuff i might forgor to mention... > in the current gnome (all apps) i hate it that it`s not as "feeling > natural" as i would like it to be and that alot parts are looking like: > "quickly done and it works so leave it alone" jobs (sorry if i offended > anyone) but now that the linux community is growing alot (specially > fedora) i think it`s time to spend some time in the user interfaces > aswell instead of only improving the coding (not that improving the > coding is wrong.. Sure, but let's spend time trying to improve the UIs that are in sorest need of help than those that are already pretty polished? Can you list out the applications in particular you think need UI work? absolutely not) gnome just misses alot of things that > i miss and i try to improve it a bit by contibuting. in this case it`s a > mockup but i`ve also reported a few bugs and uasbillity issues (like > that thumbnails are way out of scale compared to icons and truncating > long text and another one.. don`t know which one it was) > > this mockup might not really improve the way gnome works but it`s surely > improving the user settings panel. But you admitted it really didn't improve anything, it was just a different look? > o and i took the Live CD because my fc7 test 2 installation decided to > kill itself with printscreen (reported on bugzilla) Makes sense. ~m From markg85 at gmail.com Wed Mar 14 20:13:12 2007 From: markg85 at gmail.com (Mark) Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2007 21:13:12 +0100 Subject: document-page-setup or/and document-properties icon mockups. In-Reply-To: <45F84A5B.2010806@seznam.cz> References: <45EDE16F.1010701@seznam.cz> <45EF13EF.8060500@seznam.cz> <1173299238.26092.1.camel@rousalka.dyndns.org> <45EF2A4A.2060609@seznam.cz> <45EF37A7.7080708@redhat.com> <1173307317.3690.11.camel@rousalka.dyndns.org> <9c3bfa1d0703081402y76057fc2w5633fc386bc45774@mail.gmail.com> <45F1A796.9050002@redhat.com> <45F1D151.7020602@seznam.cz> <45F84A5B.2010806@seznam.cz> Message-ID: <6e24a8e80703141313t5201ecbdw3d1008a30e213ff7@mail.gmail.com> hmm.. they look like those icandy icons (i`m sure you`ve seen them once).. my suggestion is to make the sizes in proportion.. now they seem to be a little to fat. and that handle might fit the echo theme better if you do the colors like this: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/EchoDevelopment?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=edit-undoL.png it`s just a suggestion looking good so far good luck, Mark. 2007/3/14, Martin Sourada : > > There seems to be no other comments or suggestions regarding these icons, > so, > would everyone agree if I use the wrench (with orange handle) for > document-properties and page with wrench for document-page-setup? > > Thanks, > Martin > > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From markg85 at gmail.com Wed Mar 14 20:29:10 2007 From: markg85 at gmail.com (Mark) Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2007 21:29:10 +0100 Subject: mockup for user information interface In-Reply-To: <45F856D9.1000609@redhat.com> References: <6e24a8e80703140951m375ffc03q90b782c9d6a35f3d@mail.gmail.com> <45F83236.20607@redhat.com> <6e24a8e80703141148n1a0f843ch94f93ccbe31b1456@mail.gmail.com> <45F84613.8080003@redhat.com> <6e24a8e80703141248v6774b6d2ld0843430a70064f8@mail.gmail.com> <45F856D9.1000609@redhat.com> Message-ID: <6e24a8e80703141329q2b7fe4dfocba06bb9fc73adc2@mail.gmail.com> > > Can you list out the applications in particular you think need UI work? do you have a year or 2 ;) no, jk (or well.. if you want to make gnome state of the art you will really need a year or 2 just for the designing and implanting it in coding) i`m not in gnome/linux at the moment but i can name some that really bother me. - pup/pirut - yum GUI (add/remove software) - gnome-control-panel (starts to look good but misses some things...) - font settings - sound settings (besides the fact that some sounds (or alot) are not even changable there but that might also be a library problem) to be honnest.. just everything. i like the smooth layouts/design and gnome or kde or any other desktop environment simply doesn`t have that yet (besides Windows XP and Vista.. and no i`m not PRO them.. i`m PRO open source and highly pro Linux) i`m making a mockup now with the edit in place stuff.. (looking good already) and i`m also editing the entire window to my taste how i would like to have it. 2007/3/14, M?ir?n Duffy : > > Mark wrote: > > What is the advantage of the edit in place over the current label + > form > > field model? > > > > > > well.. with edit in place you have it in a way better looking design and > > is (in my opinion) alot more user friendly. > > It's not enough to have an opinion. You should test both designs and see > if that truly is the case. You can test paper mockups if you need to. > (see http://www.useit.com/alertbox/20030414.html). Check out > www.betterdesktop.org for more information about user testing. You'll > see in a few of those usability testing reports that things usability > professionals thought might be more usable were actually less so in > practice than they thought (and vice-versa). > > > perhaps a edit in place with > > a small icon bisides it that indicates that you can edit it. thinking > > ahead is also possible instead of sticking with the current gnome HIG :) > > Brainstorming is fine but it is not a good idea to impose untested ideas > in a piece meal fashion to achieve progress. > > > (btw.. i looked over some pages in the current HIG and i can`t really > > say that it`s a good example.. it looks like it`s from the windows 3.1 > > age (about 20 years ago)) things need to go forward if that`s a > > improvement ofcause. > > Did you look at the 2.0 HIG or the development version (there is a link > to the development version on that page) > > Looks and interactions are different. Just because the screenshots in > the hig may show a very old GTK theme doesn't mean the principles aren't > the same for the newer, nicer-looking GTK themes like clearlooks. > > > Do you see how in the current screen, the shortcuts are underlined? > How > > would a user know to hit Ctrl + U? Also, is the Ctrl + U key > combination > > bound to some other function? (probably) > > > > > > no.. lets just do that the same way it was done before. otherwise users > > can browse through the fields with the TAB button on the keyboard. > > What if the user already filled out the form and realized they > misspelled something in the 3 field. You want them to cycle through the > complete set of items with Tab? I don't think so. > > Try setting up Orca (The gnome accessibility system) and try to use it > for a day. The problem will become exceedingly clear to you then, I think. > > > and some more stuff i might forgor to mention... > > in the current gnome (all apps) i hate it that it`s not as "feeling > > natural" as i would like it to be and that alot parts are looking like: > > "quickly done and it works so leave it alone" jobs (sorry if i offended > > anyone) but now that the linux community is growing alot (specially > > fedora) i think it`s time to spend some time in the user interfaces > > aswell instead of only improving the coding (not that improving the > > coding is wrong.. > > Sure, but let's spend time trying to improve the UIs that are in sorest > need of help than those that are already pretty polished? > > Can you list out the applications in particular you think need UI work? > > absolutely not) gnome just misses alot of things that > > i miss and i try to improve it a bit by contibuting. in this case it`s a > > mockup but i`ve also reported a few bugs and uasbillity issues (like > > that thumbnails are way out of scale compared to icons and truncating > > long text and another one.. don`t know which one it was) > > > > this mockup might not really improve the way gnome works but it`s surely > > improving the user settings panel. > > But you admitted it really didn't improve anything, it was just a > different look? > > > o and i took the Live CD because my fc7 test 2 installation decided to > > kill itself with printscreen (reported on bugzilla) > > Makes sense. > > ~m > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From martin.sourada at seznam.cz Wed Mar 14 20:51:06 2007 From: martin.sourada at seznam.cz (Martin Sourada) Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2007 21:51:06 +0100 Subject: document-page-setup or/and document-properties icon mockups. In-Reply-To: <6e24a8e80703141313t5201ecbdw3d1008a30e213ff7@mail.gmail.com> References: <45EDE16F.1010701@seznam.cz> <45EF13EF.8060500@seznam.cz> <1173299238.26092.1.camel@rousalka.dyndns.org> <45EF2A4A.2060609@seznam.cz> <45EF37A7.7080708@redhat.com> <1173307317.3690.11.camel@rousalka.dyndns.org> <9c3bfa1d0703081402y76057fc2w5633fc386bc45774@mail.gmail.com> <45F1A796.9050002@redhat.com> <45F1D151.7020602@seznam.cz> <45F84A5B.2010806@seznam.cz> <6e24a8e80703141313t5201ecbdw3d1008a30e213ff7@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <45F8603A.3060705@seznam.cz> hmm.... I don't think so... I didn't see any icandy icons, or at least I do not know the name... The wrench is based on OpenOffice.org crystal icons theme (the idea), the shape of the working part is derived from Bluecurve icons (I first made a screwdriver and this one derived from it), the handle I added to fit the rest of the tool, maybe the outline makes it a little fatter than it really is... About the color - I used the orange color from echo icon guidelines [1] and added semitransparent gradients to make it more 3D and to add a light effect. But I can look at it once more, to fit the edit-undo icon color. And I think, I don't follow what you mean by "make the sizes in proportion". What sizes are you talking about? Sizes of the icons? Sizes of the handle compared to the rest of the tool? Width to the length or the depth of the wrench? What proportions do you suggest? 2:3? 4:5? Gold cut? Please be more clear, maybe its only because my English, but I really don't understand what your suggestion means. Thanks for your suggestions, Martin References: [1] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/EchoIconGuidelines#head-92bac070218d68b55549cfdb50eede11583b8021 Mark napsal(a): > hmm.. they look like those icandy icons (i`m sure you`ve seen them > once).. my suggestion is to make the sizes in proportion.. now they seem > to be a little to fat. > and that handle might fit the echo theme better if you do the colors > like this: > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/EchoDevelopment?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=edit-undoL.png > > > it`s just a suggestion > looking good so far > > good luck, > Mark. > > 2007/3/14, Martin Sourada >: > > There seems to be no other comments or suggestions regarding these > icons, so, > would everyone agree if I use the wrench (with orange handle) for > document-properties and page with wrench for document-page-setup? > > Thanks, > Martin > > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 249 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From markg85 at gmail.com Wed Mar 14 21:22:50 2007 From: markg85 at gmail.com (Mark) Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2007 22:22:50 +0100 Subject: mockup for user information interface In-Reply-To: <6e24a8e80703141329q2b7fe4dfocba06bb9fc73adc2@mail.gmail.com> References: <6e24a8e80703140951m375ffc03q90b782c9d6a35f3d@mail.gmail.com> <45F83236.20607@redhat.com> <6e24a8e80703141148n1a0f843ch94f93ccbe31b1456@mail.gmail.com> <45F84613.8080003@redhat.com> <6e24a8e80703141248v6774b6d2ld0843430a70064f8@mail.gmail.com> <45F856D9.1000609@redhat.com> <6e24a8e80703141329q2b7fe4dfocba06bb9fc73adc2@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <6e24a8e80703141422l601f5ba6yc26bc3d36a093379@mail.gmail.com> oke. now don`t be shocked when clicking on this link: http://img255.imageshack.us/my.php?image=linuxpersonalinfov2copywk7.png That`s how i want to see linux applications. when linux is as far as that i quit everything i`m doing and start organizing linux presentation days. The icons in that image aren`t made by me. everything else is (in the window) i also don`t want that clearlooks window, but i didn`t really wanted to edit more than i already did :P i`ve had enough editing for one day. additional info. all the big icons (so the big user icon and the user image with rounded corner stuff) must get a soft glow animation that doesn`t get boring. just a random (as in when the glow appears) glow on the big icon. perhaps also a animation on the oversized "Mark #LASTNAME#" and the tabs on the BOTTOM!! and in a different style :) and they overap. so the active tab is on top of the tabs left and right of him and the other tabs slide in eachother a few pixels. please let me know your thoughts about this one :D and i think the edit in place with those icons infront of it is way WAY better than everything that`s currently being used in ANY operating system. one bad thing.. making skins for something that looks like this will be hard :P waiting for reply`s on this one. Mark. 2007/3/14, Mark : > > Can you list out the applications in particular you think need UI work? > > > > do you have a year or 2 ;) > no, jk (or well.. if you want to make gnome state of the art you will > really need a year or 2 just for the designing and implanting it in coding) > i`m not in gnome/linux at the moment but i can name some that really > bother me. > > - pup/pirut > - yum GUI (add/remove software) > - gnome-control-panel (starts to look good but misses some things...) > - font settings > - sound settings (besides the fact that some sounds (or alot) are not even > changable there but that might also be a library problem) > > > to be honnest.. just everything. i like the smooth layouts/design and > gnome or kde or any other desktop environment simply doesn`t have that yet > (besides Windows XP and Vista.. and no i`m not PRO them.. i`m PRO open > source and highly pro Linux) > > i`m making a mockup now with the edit in place stuff.. (looking good > already) and i`m also editing the entire window to my taste how i would like > to have it. > > > 2007/3/14, M?ir?n Duffy < duffy at redhat.com>: > > > > Mark wrote: > > > What is the advantage of the edit in place over the current label > > + form > > > field model? > > > > > > > > > well.. with edit in place you have it in a way better looking design > > and > > > is (in my opinion) alot more user friendly. > > > > It's not enough to have an opinion. You should test both designs and see > > > > if that truly is the case. You can test paper mockups if you need to. > > (see http://www.useit.com/alertbox/20030414.html). Check out > > www.betterdesktop.org for more information about user testing. You'll > > see in a few of those usability testing reports that things usability > > professionals thought might be more usable were actually less so in > > practice than they thought (and vice-versa). > > > > > perhaps a edit in place with > > > a small icon bisides it that indicates that you can edit it. thinking > > > ahead is also possible instead of sticking with the current gnome HIG > > :) > > > > Brainstorming is fine but it is not a good idea to impose untested ideas > > in a piece meal fashion to achieve progress. > > > > > (btw.. i looked over some pages in the current HIG and i can`t really > > > say that it`s a good example.. it looks like it`s from the windows 3.1 > > > age (about 20 years ago)) things need to go forward if that`s a > > > improvement ofcause. > > > > Did you look at the 2.0 HIG or the development version (there is a link > > to the development version on that page) > > > > Looks and interactions are different. Just because the screenshots in > > the hig may show a very old GTK theme doesn't mean the principles aren't > > the same for the newer, nicer-looking GTK themes like clearlooks. > > > > > Do you see how in the current screen, the shortcuts are > > underlined? How > > > would a user know to hit Ctrl + U? Also, is the Ctrl + U key > > combination > > > bound to some other function? (probably) > > > > > > > > > no.. lets just do that the same way it was done before. otherwise > > users > > > can browse through the fields with the TAB button on the keyboard. > > > > What if the user already filled out the form and realized they > > misspelled something in the 3 field. You want them to cycle through the > > complete set of items with Tab? I don't think so. > > > > Try setting up Orca (The gnome accessibility system) and try to use it > > for a day. The problem will become exceedingly clear to you then, I > > think. > > > > > and some more stuff i might forgor to mention... > > > in the current gnome (all apps) i hate it that it`s not as "feeling > > > natural" as i would like it to be and that alot parts are looking > > like: > > > "quickly done and it works so leave it alone" jobs (sorry if i > > offended > > > anyone) but now that the linux community is growing alot (specially > > > fedora) i think it`s time to spend some time in the user interfaces > > > aswell instead of only improving the coding (not that improving the > > > coding is wrong.. > > > > Sure, but let's spend time trying to improve the UIs that are in sorest > > need of help than those that are already pretty polished? > > > > Can you list out the applications in particular you think need UI work? > > > > absolutely not) gnome just misses alot of things that > > > i miss and i try to improve it a bit by contibuting. in this case it`s > > a > > > mockup but i`ve also reported a few bugs and uasbillity issues (like > > > that thumbnails are way out of scale compared to icons and truncating > > > long text and another one.. don`t know which one it was) > > > > > > this mockup might not really improve the way gnome works but it`s > > surely > > > improving the user settings panel. > > > > But you admitted it really didn't improve anything, it was just a > > different look? > > > > > o and i took the Live CD because my fc7 test 2 installation decided to > > > kill itself with printscreen (reported on bugzilla) > > > > Makes sense. > > > > ~m > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Fedora-art-list mailing list > > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list > > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nicolas.mailhot at laposte.net Wed Mar 14 21:29:30 2007 From: nicolas.mailhot at laposte.net (Nicolas Mailhot) Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2007 22:29:30 +0100 Subject: document-page-setup or/and document-properties icon mockups. In-Reply-To: <45F84A5B.2010806@seznam.cz> References: <45EDE16F.1010701@seznam.cz> <45EDE8FB.7060305@seznam.cz> <45EEDA69.6040804@seznam.cz> <44582.192.54.193.51.1173285440.squirrel@rousalka.dyndns.org> <45EF113B.2000506@seznam.cz> <45EF13EF.8060500@seznam.cz> <1173299238.26092.1.camel@rousalka.dyndns.org> <45EF2A4A.2060609@seznam.cz> <45EF37A7.7080708@redhat.com> <1173307317.3690.11.camel@rousalka.dyndns.org> <9c3bfa1d0703081402y76057fc2w5633fc386bc45774@mail.gmail.com> <45F1A796.9050002@redhat.com> <45F1D151.7020602@seznam.cz> <45F84A5B.2010806@seznam.cz> Message-ID: <1173907770.22102.17.camel@rousalka.dyndns.org> Le mercredi 14 mars 2007 ? 20:17 +0100, Martin Sourada a ?crit : > There seems to be no other comments or suggestions regarding these icons, so, > would everyone agree if I use the wrench (with orange handle) for > document-properties and page with wrench for document-page-setup? I still don't like an active metaphor like the wrench for document-properties but at least it's a bit less ambiguous than a cog. IMHO (and maybe that's more evident to me because I'm no native english speaker) you're confusing properties as in document metadata with properties as in application settings. If I saw a wrench in an office suite menu I'd be thinking "this is where I can change the application behaviour" not "this is where I can look at the document summary and maybe fill it in". I don't think of office documents as automatons, so there's no cogs in them to tweak with a wrench. Maybe the menu label would disambiguate but if you need some text to understand an icon maybe the icon is bad. If I'm the only one to think this, feel free to ignore me. -- Nicolas Mailhot From martin.sourada at seznam.cz Wed Mar 14 21:49:49 2007 From: martin.sourada at seznam.cz (Martin Sourada) Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2007 22:49:49 +0100 Subject: document-page-setup or/and document-properties icon mockups. In-Reply-To: <1173907770.22102.17.camel@rousalka.dyndns.org> References: <45EDE16F.1010701@seznam.cz> <45EDE8FB.7060305@seznam.cz> <45EEDA69.6040804@seznam.cz> <44582.192.54.193.51.1173285440.squirrel@rousalka.dyndns.org> <45EF113B.2000506@seznam.cz> <45EF13EF.8060500@seznam.cz> <1173299238.26092.1.camel@rousalka.dyndns.org> <45EF2A4A.2060609@seznam.cz> <45EF37A7.7080708@redhat.com> <1173307317.3690.11.camel@rousalka.dyndns.org> <9c3bfa1d0703081402y76057fc2w5633fc386bc45774@mail.gmail.com> <45F1A796.9050002@redhat.com> <45F1D151.7020602@seznam.cz> <45F84A5B.2010806@seznam.cz> <1173907770.22102.17.camel@rousalka.dyndns.org> Message-ID: <45F86DFD.5040607@seznam.cz> Well, it would confuse me, if it was not already quite widely used... I think the metaphor isn't best, but it is still good. You cannot usually tweak the doc in its properties, but there is usually something to set, but also to (only) look at. Neither the microscope nor the wrench is exact metaphor, since both symbolizes only one part of the whole, but since we are already used to wrench I would stick to it. I looked a once more at some applications both with their own icon set and with icons that come from the icon them you use, and what I've found: OOo with crystal icon set uses page with wrench to symbolize document properties , but that would IMO rather signalize page properties/settings, and nothing to settings. Nautilus, with echo icon set, which derives missing icons from clearlooks/bluecurve, has for file properties wrench and for settings wrench with screwdriver. Not very different icons, but easy to distinguish I think. I hope I do not confuse the app settings with doc properties, but I am not English native speaker as well... Regards, Martin Nicolas Mailhot napsal(a): > Le mercredi 14 mars 2007 ? 20:17 +0100, Martin Sourada a ?crit : >> There seems to be no other comments or suggestions regarding these icons, so, >> would everyone agree if I use the wrench (with orange handle) for >> document-properties and page with wrench for document-page-setup? > > I still don't like an active metaphor like the wrench for > document-properties but at least it's a bit less ambiguous than a cog. > IMHO (and maybe that's more evident to me because I'm no native english > speaker) you're confusing properties as in document metadata with > properties as in application settings. > > If I saw a wrench in an office suite menu I'd be thinking "this is where > I can change the application behaviour" not "this is where I can look at > the document summary and maybe fill it in". I don't think of office > documents as automatons, so there's no cogs in them to tweak with a > wrench. Maybe the menu label would disambiguate but if you need some > text to understand an icon maybe the icon is bad. > > If I'm the only one to think this, feel free to ignore me. > -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 249 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From baerjj at gmail.com Wed Mar 14 23:31:33 2007 From: baerjj at gmail.com (John Baer) Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2007 19:31:33 -0400 Subject: Fedora Artwork Active Contributors Message-ID: <1173915093.4219.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> For those of you who may not have noticed I new wiki page was added by Luya titled "Fedora Artwork Active Contributors". Nice job and thanks! If your name is not on the list and should be please let us know. :) Luya, I would be happy to add the ArtTeam banner if that is ok? Again, thank you for putting this together. John From luya_tfz at thefinalzone.com Thu Mar 15 05:07:50 2007 From: luya_tfz at thefinalzone.com (Luya Tshimbalanga) Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2007 22:07:50 -0700 Subject: Fedora Artwork Active Contributors In-Reply-To: <1173915093.4219.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1173915093.4219.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <45F8D4A6.5000600@thefinalzone.com> John Baer wrote: > Luya, I would be happy to add the ArtTeam banner if that is ok? > > Sure. Artwork/Contributors is not actually new. It was only missing on the new Artwork wiki page. From luya_tfz at thefinalzone.com Thu Mar 15 05:11:58 2007 From: luya_tfz at thefinalzone.com (Luya Tshimbalanga) Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2007 22:11:58 -0700 Subject: document-page-setup or/and document-properties icon mockups. In-Reply-To: <45F84A5B.2010806@seznam.cz> References: <45EDE16F.1010701@seznam.cz> <45EDE8FB.7060305@seznam.cz> <45EEDA69.6040804@seznam.cz> <44582.192.54.193.51.1173285440.squirrel@rousalka.dyndns.org> <45EF113B.2000506@seznam.cz> <45EF13EF.8060500@seznam.cz> <1173299238.26092.1.camel@rousalka.dyndns.org> <45EF2A4A.2060609@seznam.cz> <45EF37A7.7080708@redhat.com> <1173307317.3690.11.camel@rousalka.dyndns.org> <9c3bfa1d0703081402y76057fc2w5633fc386bc45774@mail.gmail.com> <45F1A796.9050002@redhat.com> <45F1D151.7020602@seznam.cz> <45F84A5B.2010806@seznam.cz> Message-ID: <45F8D59E.9090007@thefinalzone.com> Martin Sourada wrote: > There seems to be no other comments or suggestions regarding these icons, so, > would everyone agree if I use the wrench (with orange handle) for > document-properties and page with wrench for document-page-setup? > > Thanks, > Martin You have a green light. We can modify it later if there will be an request. From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Thu Mar 15 08:11:45 2007 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 10:11:45 +0200 Subject: mockup for user information interface In-Reply-To: <6e24a8e80703141148n1a0f843ch94f93ccbe31b1456@mail.gmail.com> References: <6e24a8e80703140951m375ffc03q90b782c9d6a35f3d@mail.gmail.com> <45F83236.20607@redhat.com> <6e24a8e80703141148n1a0f843ch94f93ccbe31b1456@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <45F8FFC1.4020109@nicubunu.ro> Mark wrote: > I recommend the Gimp and Inkscape. If you design for Fedora you should > use Fedora to do it, no? :) If you need help setting these up or using > them feel free to ask here! > > hehe i don`t agree on that. i`m formilliar with photoshop and not with > gimp or inkskape. but when i`m going to fedora for the full 100% i will > try to learn those :) btw.. i can`t use fedora at this moment because > pressing print screen completely killed gnome (FC7 test 2 latest > updates) so i removed fedora.. next fedora install is probably with FC7 > test 3 Take a look at this blog post about creating interface mockups with Inkscape: http://andy.brisgeek.com/archives/39 -- nicu Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From ben.arnold.inbox at gmail.com Thu Mar 15 10:36:15 2007 From: ben.arnold.inbox at gmail.com (Ben Arnold) Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 10:36:15 +0000 Subject: Request: User Image Submissions - Deadline March 15, 2007 In-Reply-To: <45F817E7.2060103@nicubunu.ro> References: <484ace5d0703060642m8b9c723ib453c4169308c157@mail.gmail.com> <45ED8AB9.1070009@redhat.com> <9c3bfa1d0703140825s60c1e7f6wad97bd53110d5eb0@mail.gmail.com> <45F817E7.2060103@nicubunu.ro> Message-ID: <9c3bfa1d0703150336u70e07f25hb7d61627dfda37da@mail.gmail.com> On 14/03/07, Nicu Buculei wrote: > You know, there is a size limit for attachments for the list (currently > set at 80KB) and I had to allow it manually from the moderation interface. > Please do not attach such huge files in the future, is not nice. Post > them somewhere online (maybe on our wiki) and pass the link here. > > I hope I had not upset anyone by allowing such a big attachment. > Yes, there have been other times where I have canceled a post because, for example, an SVG was too big and I have then compressed it or not sent it at all. I just found it would be easier to have all the sizes in one container to save linking to five Imageshack pages. Personally, I wouldn't mind attachments under 1mB but I know some people would. ./b -- ..// seawolf //.. Ben Arnold e-mail / msn / icq / yahoo iamseawolf (at) gmail (dot) com http://clik.to/seawolfsanctuary fedora core : artwork GnuPG Available - ask me! From markg85 at gmail.com Thu Mar 15 14:05:00 2007 From: markg85 at gmail.com (Mark) Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 15:05:00 +0100 Subject: mockup for user information interface In-Reply-To: <45F8FFC1.4020109@nicubunu.ro> References: <6e24a8e80703140951m375ffc03q90b782c9d6a35f3d@mail.gmail.com> <45F83236.20607@redhat.com> <6e24a8e80703141148n1a0f843ch94f93ccbe31b1456@mail.gmail.com> <45F8FFC1.4020109@nicubunu.ro> Message-ID: <6e24a8e80703150705q73cca5fre38f9f578534af5e@mail.gmail.com> looking interesting but please stay on the subject.. i really would like to know what you all think of my last mockup and than leave out the consideration that some parts might nog be possible in linux yet because the engine doesn`t exists (YET) 2007/3/15, Nicu Buculei : > > Mark wrote: > > I recommend the Gimp and Inkscape. If you design for Fedora you > should > > use Fedora to do it, no? :) If you need help setting these up or > using > > them feel free to ask here! > > > > hehe i don`t agree on that. i`m formilliar with photoshop and not with > > gimp or inkskape. but when i`m going to fedora for the full 100% i will > > try to learn those :) btw.. i can`t use fedora at this moment because > > pressing print screen completely killed gnome (FC7 test 2 latest > > updates) so i removed fedora.. next fedora install is probably with FC7 > > test 3 > > Take a look at this blog post about creating interface mockups with > Inkscape: http://andy.brisgeek.com/archives/39 > > -- > nicu > Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ > Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org > my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Mark. 2007/3/15, Ben Arnold : > > On 14/03/07, Nicu Buculei wrote: > > You know, there is a size limit for attachments for the list (currently > > set at 80KB) and I had to allow it manually from the moderation > interface. > > Please do not attach such huge files in the future, is not nice. Post > > them somewhere online (maybe on our wiki) and pass the link here. > > > > I hope I had not upset anyone by allowing such a big attachment. > > > > Yes, there have been other times where I have canceled a post because, > for example, an SVG was too big and I have then compressed it or not > sent it at all. I just found it would be easier to have all the sizes > in one container to save linking to five Imageshack pages. > > Personally, I wouldn't mind attachments under 1mB but I know some people > would. > > ./b > > -- > ..// seawolf //.. > Ben Arnold > e-mail / msn / icq / yahoo > iamseawolf (at) gmail (dot) com > http://clik.to/seawolfsanctuary > > fedora core : artwork > GnuPG Available - ask me! > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From martin.sourada at seznam.cz Fri Mar 16 20:34:12 2007 From: martin.sourada at seznam.cz (Martin Sourada) Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2007 21:34:12 +0100 Subject: Echo icon set: help-* icons muckups Message-ID: <45FAFF44.3090306@seznam.cz> Hi, I made some icons (inspired by bluecurve) for help-index, help-faq and help-about. 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What do you think of > them? > > Thanks, > Martin > > Attachments: > [1] help-about16.png > [2] help-about24.png > [3] help-aboutL.png > [4] help-content16.png > [5] help-content24.png > [6] help-contentL.png > [7] help-faq16.png > [8] help-faq24.png > [9] help-faqL.png > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From martin.sourada at seznam.cz Sat Mar 17 16:29:13 2007 From: martin.sourada at seznam.cz (Martin Sourada) Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2007 17:29:13 +0100 Subject: Echo icon set: help-* icons muckups In-Reply-To: <6e24a8e80703170839k4938e5ddy9908d91ef8da3975@mail.gmail.com> References: <45FAFF44.3090306@seznam.cz> <6e24a8e80703170839k4938e5ddy9908d91ef8da3975@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <45FC1759.5050401@seznam.cz> Mark napsal(a): > looks good, but the edges on the help-faq images don`t look smooth.. > the rest is looking fine. > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list Thanks for your response. I reworked them a little to make them as smooth as possible without bluring out details. Some gimp work did the trick... I attach reworked versions. Hope, they're better. Any further suggestions/feedback greatly appreciated. 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I reworked them a little to make them as smooth > as > possible without bluring out details. Some gimp work did the trick... I > attach > reworked versions. Hope, they're better. Any further suggestions/feedback > greatly appreciated. > > Thanks, > Martin > > Attachments: > [1] help-faq16.png > [2] help-faq24.png > [3] help-faqL.png > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From luya_tfz at thefinalzone.com Sat Mar 17 21:05:32 2007 From: luya_tfz at thefinalzone.com (Luya Tshimbalanga) Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2007 17:05:32 -0400 Subject: Echo icon set: help-* icons muckups Message-ID: <1174165532.45fc581c6c459@ssl.mecca.ca> Martin Sourada wrote: > > Thanks for your response. I reworked them a little to make them as smooth as > possible without bluring out details. Some gimp work did the trick... I attach > reworked versions. Hope, they're better. Any further suggestions/feedback > greatly appreciated. Have you tried to use isometric perspective for both 24x24 and larger icon? Btw, look at dialog-question icon to see if you can do something similar. Also please check out http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/EchoIconTheme -- Luya Tshimbalanga Fedora Project contributor http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/LuyaTshimbalanga From martin.sourada at seznam.cz Sat Mar 17 21:34:55 2007 From: martin.sourada at seznam.cz (Martin Sourada) Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2007 22:34:55 +0100 Subject: Echo icon set: help-* icons muckups In-Reply-To: <1174165532.45fc581c6c459@ssl.mecca.ca> References: <1174165532.45fc581c6c459@ssl.mecca.ca> Message-ID: <45FC5EFF.1060904@seznam.cz> Luya Tshimbalanga napsal(a): > Have you tried to use isometric perspective for both 24x24 and larger icon? > > Btw, look at dialog-question icon to see if you can do something similar. Also > please check out http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/EchoIconTheme > I haven't tried the isometric perspective. I though, as they are listed under action icons, they should use "slightly tilted" perspective (according to guidelines). Am I wrong? About the dialog-question icon... I think I should change change the coloring and the question mark in the help-faq icon... But I also saw, that the question mark with circle around is in some icon themes used for help-about icon. Do you think it would be better than a star (which is used by bluecurve icon theme for that icon)? And thanks for the link. I'll check the ToDo list to see what I can do. Thanks, Martin -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Do you > think it would be better than a star (which is used by bluecurve icon theme for > that icon)? Yes. Star icon is already used to tell there is a new item -- Luya Tshimbalanga Fedora Project contributor http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/LuyaTshimbalanga From martin.sourada at seznam.cz Sat Mar 17 22:42:07 2007 From: martin.sourada at seznam.cz (Martin Sourada) Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2007 23:42:07 +0100 Subject: Echo icon set: help-* icons muckups In-Reply-To: <1174170830.45fc6cceabbc4@ssl.mecca.ca> References: <1174170830.45fc6cceabbc4@ssl.mecca.ca> Message-ID: <45FC6EBF.7070100@seznam.cz> Luya Tshimbalanga napsal(a): > You will notice the case-basis mentioning "slightly tilted" perspective should > be used if some icons are hard to be rendered on isometric perspective. > But, also you will notice, that there is mentioned: "to be used in creating "Action" icons" and also you will notice that all action icons, even those that could be in isometric perspective, are slightly tilted. But, nevertheless, I'll make the isometric variant as well. > Yes. Star icon is already used to tell there is a new item > Well, that is if it is as an emblem, not as icon by itself, but I admit it can cause confusion. I'll make the slightly tilted version of the dialog-question icon. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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The isometric icons are readable enough to discern the question mark. -- Luya Tshimbalanga Fedora Project contributor http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/LuyaTshimbalanga From martin.sourada at seznam.cz Sun Mar 18 10:22:16 2007 From: martin.sourada at seznam.cz (Martin Sourada) Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2007 11:22:16 +0100 Subject: Echo icon set: help-* icons muckups In-Reply-To: <45FC6EBF.7070100@seznam.cz> References: <1174170830.45fc6cceabbc4@ssl.mecca.ca> <45FC6EBF.7070100@seznam.cz> Message-ID: <45FD12D8.9050601@seznam.cz> Martin Sourada napsal(a): > Well, that is if it is as an emblem, not as icon by itself, but I admit it can > cause confusion. I'll make the slightly tilted version of the dialog-question icon. > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list I made the new help-about icons. All attached. Further suggestions and feedback appreciated. Thanks, Martin Attachments: [1] help-about16.png [2] help-about24.png [3] help-aboutL.png -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: help-about16.png Type: image/png Size: 757 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: help-about24.png Type: image/png Size: 1413 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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What do you think of them? > > Any feedback and suggestions appreciated. > > Thanks, > Martin > > Attachments: > [1] preferences-system-1.png > [2] preferences-system-2.png > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list Hmm, as I go through the other icons listed in the todo list I think the preferences-system-1.png (attached in my previous post) could be used rather for gnome-settings as the screwdriver with wrench is already widely used metaphor for that icon... What do you think? Thanks, Martin -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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On the second one blue screwdriver is difficult to separate from blue screen -- Nicolas Mailhot From martin.sourada at seznam.cz Sun Mar 18 13:41:12 2007 From: martin.sourada at seznam.cz (Martin Sourada) Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2007 14:41:12 +0100 Subject: Echo icon set: preferences-system mockups In-Reply-To: <1174224085.19932.26.camel@rousalka.dyndns.org> References: <45FD3220.7050005@seznam.cz> <1174224085.19932.26.camel@rousalka.dyndns.org> Message-ID: <45FD4178.4070809@seznam.cz> Nicolas Mailhot napsal(a): > Le dimanche 18 mars 2007 ? 13:35 +0100, Martin Sourada a ?crit : > On the second one blue screwdriver is difficult to separate from blue > screen > Thanks for your reply. Did you try it? I just tried it over the balloon background from FD7T2 and it does not seem to be difficult to separate from it. That's why it has outline... But, still, it is more likely it will be over light gray background of a menu than directly on a desktop. 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I just displayed it in evo which happens to use colors very close to those of my panel. Just caught myself thinking "there is a blue screwdriver" after a few seconds ? I missed it at first > I just tried it over the balloon > background from FD7T2 and it does not seem to be difficult to separate from it. > That's why it has outline... But, still, it is more likely it will be over light > gray background of a menu than directly on a desktop. Nevertheless, what colour > would you suggest to use? Anything but blue ;) (or repaint the monitor) -- Nicolas Mailhot From jfrieben at gmx.de Sun Mar 18 16:38:29 2007 From: jfrieben at gmx.de (Joachim Frieben) Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2007 17:38:29 +0100 Subject: Login manager and rhgb panel Message-ID: <20070318163829.66480@gmx.net> The current versions of the "rhgb" progress bar panel and of the "gdm" login panel show additional blue frames along the border. This looks quite "baroque" and makes the whole thing look cluttered. Any reason for this useless decoration? The rather dark background of the panels already provides a clear contrast with respect to the lighter background. "More" is not necessarily better, right? I also wonder if the current trend to "photorealistic" artwork, i.e. the cloud in the "rhgb" screen, is really the way to go - quite massive ... The latest "RHEL5" artwork appears to be rather unobtrusive [even less than "FC6" apart from the red colour scheme] and is in sharp contrast with the "XP" style towards which "Fedora" artwork seems to evolve. -- Ist Ihr Browser Vista-kompatibel? Jetzt die neuesten Browser-Versionen downloaden: http://www.gmx.net/de/go/browser From martin.sourada at seznam.cz Sun Mar 18 18:11:44 2007 From: martin.sourada at seznam.cz (Martin Sourada) Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2007 19:11:44 +0100 Subject: Echo icon set: preferences-system mockups In-Reply-To: <1174230376.19932.31.camel@rousalka.dyndns.org> References: <45FD3220.7050005@seznam.cz> <1174224085.19932.26.camel@rousalka.dyndns.org> <45FD4178.4070809@seznam.cz> <1174230376.19932.31.camel@rousalka.dyndns.org> Message-ID: <45FD80E0.1040807@seznam.cz> Nicolas Mailhot napsal(a): > I just displayed it in evo which happens to use colors very close to > those of my panel. Just caught myself thinking "there is a blue > screwdriver" after a few seconds ? I missed it at first > ... > Anything but blue ;) (or repaint the monitor) > I made a green version [2] and 24x24 version [1]. Is it better now? 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Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 249 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Mon Mar 19 08:09:30 2007 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 13:39:30 +0530 Subject: Bluecurve style: announcing QSimpleStyle In-Reply-To: <1173757859.32610.7.camel@adelia.vilar> References: <1173757859.32610.7.camel@adelia.vilar> Message-ID: <45FE453A.1010403@fedoraproject.org> Ricardo Cruz wrote: > Hello there, > > This message is meant to be directed for Bluecurve developers. If you > guys know of a better address please forward to it. Bluecurve was done almost entirely by a single person - Garrett LeSage, who does not work for Red Hat anymore. Fedora itself has moved to using Clearlooks for GNOME and possibly Plastik for KDE in Fedora 7 which is the default upstream themes. The Bluecurve icon set has also been replace by Echo in the current development tree. > I have recently started a project for having kde applications rendered > as gtk ones (the inverse of gtk-qt-engine). For that, I have come up > with a middle layer which I have called of QSimpleStyle. > This framework sits on top of QStyle which it shapes into two methods; > one for drawing primitives of the various elements of a widget, the > other asks for attributes of the said elements. > > More info at: http://gtk4qt.sourceforge.net/qsimplestyle/ > > It is early work, but the efforts you spent with it are efforts > you save from the maintenance of your style as it is especially > useful for cross-desktop styles. Hope to hear from you. It is useful to have it in the repository and see if we can get people to experiment and be creative with it. Do you want to maintain it in Fedora? http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/PackageMaintainers. Rahul From martin.sourada at seznam.cz Mon Mar 19 09:40:32 2007 From: martin.sourada at seznam.cz (Martin Sourada) Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 10:40:32 +0100 Subject: Bluecurve style: announcing QSimpleStyle In-Reply-To: <45FE453A.1010403@fedoraproject.org> References: <1173757859.32610.7.camel@adelia.vilar> <45FE453A.1010403@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <45FE5A90.3070304@seznam.cz> Rahul Sundaram napsal(a): > It is useful to have it in the repository and see if we can get people > to experiment and be creative with it. Do you want to maintain it in > Fedora? > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/PackageMaintainers. > > Rahul > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list > Agreed, but I also noticed on their homepage that QSimpleStyle is a part of gtk4qt project which aims to be for Gnome what is gtk-qt-engine for KDE - i.e. transition layer for kde to use gtk themes directly (and thus allowing Gnome users to have QT apps look like if they were GTK apps). I think it would be useful to have this package as well, and probably QSimpleStyle only as a subpackage. Thanks, Martin -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 249 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From nicolas.mailhot at laposte.net Mon Mar 19 10:14:20 2007 From: nicolas.mailhot at laposte.net (Nicolas Mailhot) Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 11:14:20 +0100 (CET) Subject: Echo icon set: preferences-system mockups In-Reply-To: <45FD80E0.1040807@seznam.cz> References: <45FD3220.7050005@seznam.cz> <1174224085.19932.26.camel@rousalka.dyndns.org> <45FD4178.4070809@seznam.cz> <1174230376.19932.31.camel@rousalka.dyndns.org> <45FD80E0.1040807@seznam.cz> Message-ID: <31800.192.54.193.51.1174299260.squirrel@rousalka.dyndns.org> Le Dim 18 mars 2007 19:11, Martin Sourada a ?crit : > Nicolas Mailhot napsal(a): >> I just displayed it in evo which happens to use colors very close to >> those of my panel. Just caught myself thinking "there is a blue >> screwdriver" after a few seconds ? I missed it at first >> > ... >> Anything but blue ;) (or repaint the monitor) >> > > I made a green version [2] and 24x24 version [1]. Is it better now? Fine with me, though too much blue+green gives a bluish cold ambiance But others should comment too -- Nicolas Mailhot From jfrieben at gmx.de Mon Mar 19 10:08:46 2007 From: jfrieben at gmx.de (Joachim Frieben) Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 11:08:46 +0100 Subject: Bluecurve style: announcing QSimpleStyle In-Reply-To: <45FE453A.1010403@fedoraproject.org> References: <1173757859.32610.7.camel@adelia.vilar> <45FE453A.1010403@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <20070319100846.256310@gmx.net> > Bluecurve was done almost entirely by a single person - Garrett LeSage, > who does not work for Red Hat anymore. Fedora itself has moved to using > Clearlooks for GNOME and possibly Plastik for KDE in Fedora 7 which is > the default upstream themes. The Bluecurve icon set has also been > replace by Echo in the current development tree. However, the "Bluecurve" icon theme was and still is the default icon theme for all "RHEL" versions including 5 [supported until *2014*], and therefore certainly deserves some maintenance either by the "Fedora" community or "Red Hat" itself. At least keep symlinks up to date as in the case of "Places > CD/DVD Creator" which used to show the correct "Bluecurve" icon up to "FC5" but now uses a "Tango" one even when the "Bluecurve" icon theme has been chosen. -- Der GMX SmartSurfer hilft bis zu 70% Ihrer Onlinekosten zu sparen! Ideal f?r Modem und ISDN: http://www.gmx.net/de/go/smartsurfer From ben.arnold.inbox at gmail.com Mon Mar 19 11:23:20 2007 From: ben.arnold.inbox at gmail.com (Ben Arnold) Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 11:23:20 +0000 Subject: Echo icon set: preferences-system mockups In-Reply-To: <31800.192.54.193.51.1174299260.squirrel@rousalka.dyndns.org> References: <45FD3220.7050005@seznam.cz> <1174224085.19932.26.camel@rousalka.dyndns.org> <45FD4178.4070809@seznam.cz> <1174230376.19932.31.camel@rousalka.dyndns.org> <45FD80E0.1040807@seznam.cz> <31800.192.54.193.51.1174299260.squirrel@rousalka.dyndns.org> Message-ID: <9c3bfa1d0703190423g108a2612vc070cbd3aed30dfc@mail.gmail.com> How about the orange that is used in the recent document-properties lot? I would have thought that contrasted nicelyh with the blue in the monitor and gives a more universal association with that colour. I imagine, on the smaller versions, the screwdriver head might need to be a little darker or thicker for clarity but the rest of it looks good. I would produce a mockup but there is no SVG with this thread :) ./b On 19/03/07, Nicolas Mailhot wrote: > > Le Dim 18 mars 2007 19:11, Martin Sourada a ?crit : > > Nicolas Mailhot napsal(a): > >> Anything but blue ;) (or repaint the monitor) > >> > > > > I made a green version [2] and 24x24 version [1]. Is it better now? -- ..// seawolf //.. Ben Arnold e-mail / msn / icq / yahoo iamseawolf (at) gmail (dot) com http://clik.to/seawolfsanctuary fedora core : artwork GnuPG Available - ask me! From ben.arnold.inbox at gmail.com Mon Mar 19 12:09:18 2007 From: ben.arnold.inbox at gmail.com (Ben Arnold) Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 12:09:18 +0000 Subject: preference-desktop-theme icon draft In-Reply-To: <1173539105.11733.20.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <45F21EEF.5020505@thefinalzone.com> <45F2650E.8030907@fedoraproject.org> <1173539105.11733.20.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <9c3bfa1d0703190509k11be44d0hd5aaee288e27ea6f@mail.gmail.com> On 10/03/07, Paul W. Frields wrote: > On Sat, 2007-03-10 at 13:28 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > > Reminds me of the Windows logo. Can you try a few alternatives? > > Since window decoration is a big part of theming, how about: > > 1. Curtains/draperies > 2. Paint can + brush (might collide with idea of art software, though) > 3. Face mask A stamp with some colours on it, maybe stripes... how about using the fedora blue and the bright oranges etc. to compliment it? -- ..// seawolf //.. Ben Arnold e-mail / msn / icq / yahoo iamseawolf (at) gmail (dot) com http://clik.to/seawolfsanctuary fedora core : artwork GnuPG Available - ask me! From martin.sourada at seznam.cz Mon Mar 19 13:21:43 2007 From: martin.sourada at seznam.cz (Martin Sourada) Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 14:21:43 +0100 Subject: Echo icon set: preferences-system mockups In-Reply-To: <9c3bfa1d0703190423g108a2612vc070cbd3aed30dfc@mail.gmail.com> References: <45FD3220.7050005@seznam.cz> <1174224085.19932.26.camel@rousalka.dyndns.org> <45FD4178.4070809@seznam.cz> <1174230376.19932.31.camel@rousalka.dyndns.org> <45FD80E0.1040807@seznam.cz> <31800.192.54.193.51.1174299260.squirrel@rousalka.dyndns.org> <9c3bfa1d0703190423g108a2612vc070cbd3aed30dfc@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <45FE8E67.9070406@seznam.cz> Ben Arnold napsal(a): > How about the orange that is used in the recent document-properties > lot? I would have thought that contrasted nicelyh with the blue in the > monitor and gives a more universal association with that colour. > > I imagine, on the smaller versions, the screwdriver head might need to > be a little darker or thicker for clarity but the rest of it looks > good. > Hmm, not a bad idea. I made new version (16x16 size included). Please, check it out. > I would produce a mockup but there is no SVG with this thread :) > > ./b > Well, I think there is some limit in this list for size of attachments and svgs are too big. If there is need I can e-mail it to you directly or post it on my wiki page. Also, what about the preferences-system-1 (the wrench with a screwdriver). Is it suitable for gnome-settings? Is it ok? Thanks, Martin Attachments: [1] preferences-system-2c16.png [2] preferences-system-2c24.png [3] preferences-system-2cL.png -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Do you want to maintain it in > > Fedora? > > > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/PackageMaintainers. > > > > Rahul > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Fedora-art-list mailing list > > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list > > > > Agreed, but I also noticed on their homepage that QSimpleStyle is a part of > gtk4qt project which aims to be for Gnome what is gtk-qt-engine for KDE - i.e. > transition layer for kde to use gtk themes directly (and thus allowing Gnome > users to have QT apps look like if they were GTK apps). I think it would be > useful to have this package as well, and probably QSimpleStyle only as a subpackage. Please don't. These cross-toolkit theming implementations are pretty fragile and really not the way to go. The gtk-qt hack has been the source of a considerable fraction of the crash reports that are clogging up the GTK+ bugzilla. If you want a single cross-toolkit theme implementation, work on a toolkit-agnostic theming framework. From ben.arnold.inbox at gmail.com Mon Mar 19 14:12:49 2007 From: ben.arnold.inbox at gmail.com (Ben Arnold) Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 14:12:49 +0000 Subject: Echo icon set: preferences-system mockups In-Reply-To: <45FE8E67.9070406@seznam.cz> References: <45FD3220.7050005@seznam.cz> <1174224085.19932.26.camel@rousalka.dyndns.org> <45FD4178.4070809@seznam.cz> <1174230376.19932.31.camel@rousalka.dyndns.org> <45FD80E0.1040807@seznam.cz> <31800.192.54.193.51.1174299260.squirrel@rousalka.dyndns.org> <9c3bfa1d0703190423g108a2612vc070cbd3aed30dfc@mail.gmail.com> <45FE8E67.9070406@seznam.cz> Message-ID: <9c3bfa1d0703190712r7d2d783ft5a0809bd01fe4440@mail.gmail.com> On 19/03/07, Martin Sourada wrote: > Ben Arnold napsal(a): > > How about the orange that is used in the recent document-properties > > lot? I would have thought that contrasted nicelyh with the blue in the > > monitor and gives a more universal association with that colour. > > > > I imagine, on the smaller versions, the screwdriver head might need to > > be a little darker or thicker for clarity but the rest of it looks > > good. > > > Hmm, not a bad idea. I made new version (16x16 size included). Please, check it out. Those colours look great together, the screwdriver stands out so the focus isn't on the (bigger) monitor or PC. To me, the 16 version looks like it is system-display-config or something similar; might I suggest having the PC box included, maybe in front of the monitor, to show that it is the config for the whole machine? > > > I would produce a mockup but there is no SVG with this thread :) > > > > ./b > > > Well, I think there is some limit in this list for size of attachments and svgs > are too big. If there is need I can e-mail it to you directly or post it on my > wiki page. It could be useful on a personal wiki page; not only can everyone get to it but you can get the previous versions should any modifcations turn out worse! The limit is ~800kB IIRC,there has been the odd occaision where I have sent large attachments and they have been okay with the moderators. It's best on a wiki page, though. > Also, what about the preferences-system-1 (the wrench with a screwdriver). Is it > suitable for gnome-settings? Is it ok? I would think so, it depends on what settings that menu item actually configures (I use KDE so I can't remember!) If it is quite broad or random then that seems a good solution to me. ./b -- ..// seawolf //.. Ben Arnold e-mail / msn / icq / yahoo iamseawolf (at) gmail (dot) com http://clik.to/seawolfsanctuary fedora core : artwork GnuPG Available - ask me! From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Mon Mar 19 15:45:21 2007 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 17:45:21 +0200 Subject: Mascot Message-ID: <45FEB011.2060008@nicubunu.ro> There is a very active thread going on the Marketing list [1] about the need of a Fedora mascot and an important number of Ambassadors and community people are in agreement about this need (see the link for comments, ideas, proposals). I think we, the Art Team, can come *as a community* with a nice, friendly and cute mascot which users will love. I will think a bit about it and lay down a page in the wiki, but in the meantime, please come with initiatives, ideas, proposals or even metaphors or sketches. As for some preliminary rules, I think we need something: - Free, so it can be used without any restriction (not even trademarks); - lovable, this is the purpose of a mascot; - produced by the community, it should not be someone's baby but our community's baby. [1] - https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-marketing-list/2007-March/msg00053.html -- nicu Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From martin.sourada at seznam.cz Mon Mar 19 16:07:18 2007 From: martin.sourada at seznam.cz (Martin Sourada) Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 17:07:18 +0100 Subject: Echo icon set: preferences-system mockups In-Reply-To: <9c3bfa1d0703190712r7d2d783ft5a0809bd01fe4440@mail.gmail.com> References: <45FD3220.7050005@seznam.cz> <1174224085.19932.26.camel@rousalka.dyndns.org> <45FD4178.4070809@seznam.cz> <1174230376.19932.31.camel@rousalka.dyndns.org> <45FD80E0.1040807@seznam.cz> <31800.192.54.193.51.1174299260.squirrel@rousalka.dyndns.org> <9c3bfa1d0703190423g108a2612vc070cbd3aed30dfc@mail.gmail.com> <45FE8E67.9070406@seznam.cz> <9c3bfa1d0703190712r7d2d783ft5a0809bd01fe4440@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <45FEB536.2000201@seznam.cz> Ben Arnold napsal(a): > Those colours look great together, the screwdriver stands out so the > focus isn't on the (bigger) monitor or PC. To me, the 16 version looks > like it is system-display-config or something similar; might I suggest > having the PC box included, maybe in front of the monitor, to show > that it is the config for the whole machine? > I made three mockups with whole machine. Please see attachment. Which one is the best? I prefer the one where the pc is on the right of the monitor [1]. > It could be useful on a personal wiki page; not only can everyone get > to it but you can get the previous versions should any modifcations > turn out worse! The limit is ~800kB IIRC,there has been the odd > occaision where I have sent large attachments and they have been okay > with the moderators. It's best on a wiki page, though. > Ok, I will attach the svgs on my personal wiki page. >> Also, what about the preferences-system-1 (the wrench with a >> screwdriver). Is it >> suitable for gnome-settings? Is it ok? > > I would think so, it depends on what settings that menu item actually > configures (I use KDE so I can't remember!) If it is quite broad or > random then that seems a good solution to me. > > ./b > All settings from user image, sound, peripherals, etc. to theme, font, screen-saver, etc. At least in Fedora 6. I think it's quite broad random... Thanks, Martin Attachments: [1] preferences-system-2c16b.png [2] preferences-system-2c16c.png [3] preferences-system-2c16d.png -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: preferences-system-2c16b.png Type: image/png Size: 623 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: preferences-system-2c16c.png Type: image/png Size: 638 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I prefer the one where the pc is on the right of the monitor [1]. > Attachments: > [1] preferences-system-2c16b.png > [2] preferences-system-2c16c.png > [3] preferences-system-2c16d.png +1 on the first; the third one is more consistent with cascading the objects but the ifrst has more clarity. I'd go for that. They look great :) Thanks for your efforts with Echo! On 19/03/07, Martin Sourada wrote: > I attached pngs and svgs of my currently developed icons on my personal wiki > page [1]. Please check it out. > > Any suggestions and/or feedback appreciated. > [1] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/MartinSourada Perfect. I like to use my pages as a kind of portfolio which seems to be what you had in mind, too. It's agood sandbox for people to develop with. ./b -- ..// seawolf //.. Ben Arnold e-mail / msn / icq / yahoo iamseawolf (at) gmail (dot) com http://clik.to/seawolfsanctuary fedora core : artwork GnuPG Available - ask me! From duffy at redhat.com Mon Mar 19 20:55:22 2007 From: duffy at redhat.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?M=E1ir=ED=ADn_Duffy?=) Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 16:55:22 -0400 Subject: Mascot In-Reply-To: <45FEB011.2060008@nicubunu.ro> References: <45FEB011.2060008@nicubunu.ro> Message-ID: <45FEF8BA.6040706@redhat.com> Nicu Buculei wrote: > There is a very active thread going on the Marketing list [1] about > the need of a Fedora mascot and an important number of Ambassadors and > community people are in agreement about this need (see the link for > comments, ideas, proposals). > > I think we, the Art Team, can come *as a community* with a nice, > friendly and cute mascot which users will love. The marketing-list thread seems very focused on animals; a mascot could be a character too, though, right? Actually, so this is totally inbred I think, but - for Red Hat Enterprise Linux 5, Red Hat has put out a series of little videos that simplify and explain the technology coming out with RHEL 5: http://www.redhat.com/videos/real_tech/ They've got these cute little tofu-like characters in them that represent systems. Very simple, but cute, and I think they bring a friendly face to the product. I think that is kind of what we are looking for, right? From the thread on marketing-list and some comments I saw in our IRC channel, I think some of the main points being brought up as issues to solve are: 1) the Fedora logo is somewhat impersonal 2) it's not 'ours' - eg the community didn't create it and doesn't own it so we're restricted in using it 3) it's not very good fodder for plush animals :) 4) it seems many suspect it doesn't reach out to as broad an audience as a well-done mascot might. I think probably the main goal for a mascot for Fedora, then, to be derived from the list of issues above: a community-created and maintained mascot for the Fedora project that brings a friendly personality to the project and reaches out to our target audience. Of course, a very difficult question I think is: who is our target audience? One idea for moving forward would be for us to think of what characters/mascots/ even TV commercials we associate with different products and try to figure out what we like/don't like about each. We could go through youtube.com, for example, and look for popular/funny commercials that worked, that people liked and uploaded. > As for some preliminary rules, I think we need something: > - Free, so it can be used without any restriction (not even trademarks); +1 I wouldn't say public domain though? Maybe just a plain CC attribution (attribute the Fedora Project) - derivs are OK. > - lovable, this is the purpose of a mascot; +1 > - produced by the community, it should not be someone's baby but our > community's baby. +1 ~m From dimitris at glezos.com Mon Mar 19 21:26:06 2007 From: dimitris at glezos.com (Dimitris Glezos) Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 21:26:06 +0000 Subject: Mascot In-Reply-To: <45FEF8BA.6040706@redhat.com> References: <45FEB011.2060008@nicubunu.ro> <45FEF8BA.6040706@redhat.com> Message-ID: <45FEFFEE.80302@glezos.com> O/H M?ir??n Duffy ??????: > They've got these cute little tofu-like characters in them that > represent systems. Very simple, but cute, and I think they bring a > friendly face to the product. I think that is kind of what we are > looking for, right? +1 for a custom character. We can then use it to create lost of poses etc. I suggest to concentrate on the character and not the image. I'd think that a guy named "Bob" that looks like these http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Join is better than a shiny thing like Firefox which is hard to adopt in various poses and contexts. Ideally it should: * Look daring/fearless (reflecting Fedora's vision for bleeding-edge) * At the same time friendly/earnest and potentially serious * Be simple enough to easily yield a stuffed puppet An example for the above is FreeBSD's daemon mascot: * http://www.freebsd.org/art.html And OpenBSD's: * http://www.openbsd.org/art/wanthead2.gif * http://www.openbsd.org/art/blowfish.jpg -d -- Dimitris Glezos Jabber ID: glezos at jabber.org, GPG: 0xA5A04C3B http://dimitris.glezos.com/ "He who gives up functionality for ease of use loses both and deserves neither." (Anonymous) -- From lightsolphoenix at gmail.com Mon Mar 19 22:08:32 2007 From: lightsolphoenix at gmail.com (Kelly) Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 18:08:32 -0400 Subject: Mascot In-Reply-To: <45FEFFEE.80302@glezos.com> References: <45FEB011.2060008@nicubunu.ro> <45FEF8BA.6040706@redhat.com> <45FEFFEE.80302@glezos.com> Message-ID: <200703191808.33120.lightsolphoenix@gmail.com> If we're discussing the concept of a mascot, I'll just post the link to my personal favourite wallpaper on Fedora: http://www.deviantart.com/deviation/28920609/?qo=23&q=by%3Ajuzo-kun&qh=sort%3Atime+-in%3Ascraps And of course... http://www.deviantart.com/deviation/28920887/?qo=22&q=by%3Ajuzo-kun&qh=sort%3Atime+-in%3Ascraps Though I suspect that's not exactly what you're looking for... -- http://www.mozilla.org/products/firefox/ - Get Firefox! http://www.mozilla.org/products/thunderbird/ - Reclaim Your Inbox! Please avoid sending me Word or PowerPoint attachments. See http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html From luya_tfz at thefinalzone.com Mon Mar 19 22:58:49 2007 From: luya_tfz at thefinalzone.com (Luya Tshimbalanga) Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 15:58:49 -0700 Subject: Mascot In-Reply-To: <45FEFFEE.80302@glezos.com> References: <45FEB011.2060008@nicubunu.ro> <45FEF8BA.6040706@redhat.com> <45FEFFEE.80302@glezos.com> Message-ID: <45FF15A9.4050009@thefinalzone.com> Me think character should be female. -- ??D0 <45FEF8BA.6040706@redhat.com> <45FEFFEE.80302@glezos.com> Message-ID: Hi there I saw Fedora 7 default artwork and it was rely great, I couldn?t believe then from that start we will have something like that while I was looking work on progress for art work on fedora 7. While I look on that balloon I feel like it moves slowly and I was thinking how about to make an animated short clip for promoting Fedora 7. So what you think if we start an animated clip for Fedora 7 and to make more complete marketing campaign before lunching a new version of Fedora? From baerjj at gmail.com Tue Mar 20 01:41:28 2007 From: baerjj at gmail.com (John Baer) Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 21:41:28 -0400 Subject: Fedora Firefox Start Page Message-ID: <1174354888.11371.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> All, I use the http://www.google.com/firefox page to perform searches using google and I considered if many others do the same. Assuming the page receives a lot of hits I thought why not consider a "Fedora Firefox Start Page"? I made a rough mock up of the idea for your consideration at my wiki home page. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/JohnBaer Your thoughts? John From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Tue Mar 20 06:28:12 2007 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2007 08:28:12 +0200 Subject: Fedora Firefox Start Page In-Reply-To: <1174354888.11371.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1174354888.11371.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <45FF7EFC.606@nicubunu.ro> John Baer wrote: > All, > > I use the http://www.google.com/firefox page to perform searches using > google and I considered if many others do the same. > > Assuming the page receives a lot of hits I thought why not consider a > "Fedora Firefox Start Page"? Do you realize the "Firefox Start Page" is put up by Google and Mozilla get *a lot* of money from Google to put it as default? > I made a rough mock up of the idea for your consideration at my wiki > home page. > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/JohnBaer > > Your thoughts? I am against putting free advertising in the distro for a commercial, unrelated entity. And personally, I do almost all my searches using the search box in Firefox, no need to visit google.com Right now the default home page in Firefox is an introduction useful for first time users: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject/BrowserStartPage -- nicu Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Tue Mar 20 06:40:58 2007 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2007 08:40:58 +0200 Subject: Mascot In-Reply-To: <484ace5d0703191015j15aa43b8rb7c91a46179afcb5@mail.gmail.com> References: <484ace5d0703191015j15aa43b8rb7c91a46179afcb5@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <45FF81FA.7050806@nicubunu.ro> John Baer wrote: > Nicu, > > This item was suggested before and did not proceed IMO because it lacked > sponsorship. With the marketing team as sponsor this could be a chance > for marketing and the artTeam to work together. :) I think it lacked enthusiasm from us. We don't really need sponsoring, just our graphic tools and our communication channels. > I see the need for some wiki pages to hold ideas/submissions and someone > to coordinate the effort. Do you have an interest in leading the artTeam > on this one? Yes, I am very interested to work on this, just yesterday was not a good day for the task. -- nicu Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Tue Mar 20 06:57:04 2007 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2007 08:57:04 +0200 Subject: Mascot In-Reply-To: <45FEF8BA.6040706@redhat.com> References: <45FEB011.2060008@nicubunu.ro> <45FEF8BA.6040706@redhat.com> Message-ID: <45FF85C0.6020200@nicubunu.ro> M?ir??n Duffy wrote: > The marketing-list thread seems very focused on animals; a mascot could > be a character too, though, right? My vision is like this: even if we and with an animal, it has to be anthropomorphic so we can use it in various situations: fix servers, kick Clippy's behind, racing the Daemon and other funny situations. > Actually, so this is totally inbred I think, but - for Red Hat > Enterprise Linux 5, Red Hat has put out a series of little videos that > simplify and explain the technology coming out with RHEL 5: > > http://www.redhat.com/videos/real_tech/ Those are also very popular on YouTube - http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=red+hat+real+technology+lesson&search=Search > They've got these cute little tofu-like characters in them that > represent systems. Very simple, but cute, and I think they bring a > friendly face to the product. I think that is kind of what we are > looking for, right? I think so, but with a cuter character. > From the thread on marketing-list and some comments I saw in our IRC > channel, I think some of the main points being brought up as issues to > solve are: > > 1) the Fedora logo is somewhat impersonal > 2) it's not 'ours' - eg the community didn't create it and doesn't own > it so we're restricted in using it > 3) it's not very good fodder for plush animals :) > 4) it seems many suspect it doesn't reach out to as broad an audience as > a well-done mascot might. Also the official logo don't give me the artistic freedom to create something like this: http://nicubunu.ro/pictures/otto_dueling.svg (old and ugly images, but I hope you get the idea) > I think probably the main goal for a mascot for Fedora, then, to be > derived from the list of issues above: a community-created and > maintained mascot for the Fedora project that brings a friendly > personality to the project and reaches out to our target audience. This is fine. > Of course, a very difficult question I think is: who is our target > audience? > > One idea for moving forward would be for us to think of what > characters/mascots/ even TV commercials we associate with different > products and try to figure out what we like/don't like about each. We > could go through youtube.com, for example, and look for popular/funny > commercials that worked, that people liked and uploaded. A problem I see: we as a team are spread around the world, so the characters/mascots, TV commercials and products we see every day are not exactly the same so we really need to use something like youtube. OK, now I head to the wiki and start a page there... -- nicu Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Tue Mar 20 07:01:26 2007 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2007 09:01:26 +0200 Subject: Mascot In-Reply-To: <200703191808.33120.lightsolphoenix@gmail.com> References: <45FEB011.2060008@nicubunu.ro> <45FEF8BA.6040706@redhat.com> <45FEFFEE.80302@glezos.com> <200703191808.33120.lightsolphoenix@gmail.com> Message-ID: <45FF86C6.9030902@nicubunu.ro> Kelly wrote: > If we're discussing the concept of a mascot, I'll just post the link to my > personal favourite wallpaper on Fedora: Wow! I like those. > http://www.deviantart.com/deviation/28920609/?qo=23&q=by%3Ajuzo-kun&qh=sort%3Atime+-in%3Ascraps > > And of course... > > http://www.deviantart.com/deviation/28920887/?qo=22&q=by%3Ajuzo-kun&qh=sort%3Atime+-in%3Ascraps > > Though I suspect that's not exactly what you're looking for... Unfortunately. -- nicu Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Tue Mar 20 08:25:07 2007 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2007 10:25:07 +0200 Subject: Mascot In-Reply-To: <45FF81FA.7050806@nicubunu.ro> References: <484ace5d0703191015j15aa43b8rb7c91a46179afcb5@mail.gmail.com> <45FF81FA.7050806@nicubunu.ro> Message-ID: <45FF9A63.8010008@nicubunu.ro> Nicu Buculei wrote: > John Baer wrote: >> I see the need for some wiki pages to hold ideas/submissions and >> someone to coordinate the effort. Do you have an interest in leading >> the artTeam on this one? > > Yes, I am very interested to work on this, just yesterday was not a good > day for the task. I got the time to start something: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/Mascot -- nicu Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From duffy at redhat.com Tue Mar 20 14:42:44 2007 From: duffy at redhat.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?M=E1ir=EDn_Duffy?=) Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2007 10:42:44 -0400 Subject: Fedora Firefox Start Page In-Reply-To: <45FF7EFC.606@nicubunu.ro> References: <1174354888.11371.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> <45FF7EFC.606@nicubunu.ro> Message-ID: <45FFF2E4.7000403@redhat.com> Hi John, Nicu Buculei wrote: > John Baer wrote: >> I use the http://www.google.com/firefox page to perform searches using >> google and I considered if many others do the same. By default we ship Firefox to load a local Fedora-specific landing page. Dimitris worked on this for FC6. You may want to discuss its design for F7 (although at this point it's a bit late in the release cycle.) ~m From duffy at redhat.com Tue Mar 20 14:47:39 2007 From: duffy at redhat.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?M=E1ir=EDn_Duffy?=) Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2007 10:47:39 -0400 Subject: Mascot In-Reply-To: <45FF85C0.6020200@nicubunu.ro> References: <45FEB011.2060008@nicubunu.ro> <45FEF8BA.6040706@redhat.com> <45FF85C0.6020200@nicubunu.ro> Message-ID: <45FFF40B.8040602@redhat.com> Nicu Buculei wrote: > M?ir??n Duffy wrote: >> The marketing-list thread seems very focused on animals; a mascot >> could be a character too, though, right? > > My vision is like this: even if we and with an animal, it has to be > anthropomorphic so we can use it in various situations: fix servers, > kick Clippy's behind, racing the Daemon and other funny situations. Hehe +1, they've got to be able to do stuff. >> They've got these cute little tofu-like characters in them that >> represent systems. Very simple, but cute, and I think they bring a >> friendly face to the product. I think that is kind of what we are >> looking for, right? > > I think so, but with a cuter character. Does it have to be cute? Can it be someone very smart / cool / funny but perhaps not cute? E.g., ipod kind of has the dancing people (http://images.google.com/images?q=ipod+people&hl=en&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&hs=5fK&um=1&sa=X&oi=images&ct=title), I guess it might be easier to sketch some different possibilities and send them out first :) > A problem I see: we as a team are spread around the world, so the > characters/mascots, TV commercials and products we see every day are not > exactly the same so we really need to use something like youtube. See, I don't see this as a problem at all. It's a totally sweet advantage :) > OK, now I head to the wiki and start a page there... +1 ~m From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Tue Mar 20 15:02:16 2007 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2007 17:02:16 +0200 Subject: Mascot In-Reply-To: <45FFF40B.8040602@redhat.com> References: <45FEB011.2060008@nicubunu.ro> <45FEF8BA.6040706@redhat.com> <45FF85C0.6020200@nicubunu.ro> <45FFF40B.8040602@redhat.com> Message-ID: <45FFF778.4090500@nicubunu.ro> M?ir?n Duffy wrote: > Nicu Buculei wrote: > >> OK, now I head to the wiki and start a page there... > +1 http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/Mascot The page is a mess right now, I listed there every small proposal from the Marketing list, some ideas from our talk and a few of my own opinions. And no graphics yet... -- nicu Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From baerjj at gmail.com Tue Mar 20 16:44:56 2007 From: baerjj at gmail.com (John Baer) Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2007 12:44:56 -0400 Subject: Fedora Firefox Start Page Message-ID: <484ace5d0703200944j5e3f811j220da2f878d07ec4@mail.gmail.com> Mo wrote: > By default we ship Firefox to load a local Fedora-specific landing page. > Dimitris worked on this for FC6. You may want to discuss its design for > F7 (although at this point it's a bit late in the release cycle.) +1 Things are piling up anyway. I have FC6 how-to's I want to create and it looks like we have a mascot to create! :) John -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Tue Mar 20 18:54:10 2007 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2007 00:24:10 +0530 Subject: Bluecurve style: announcing QSimpleStyle In-Reply-To: <20070319100846.256310@gmx.net> References: <1173757859.32610.7.camel@adelia.vilar> <45FE453A.1010403@fedoraproject.org> <20070319100846.256310@gmx.net> Message-ID: <46002DD2.8050302@fedoraproject.org> Joachim Frieben wrote: >> Bluecurve was done almost entirely by a single person - Garrett LeSage, >> who does not work for Red Hat anymore. Fedora itself has moved to using >> Clearlooks for GNOME and possibly Plastik for KDE in Fedora 7 which is >> the default upstream themes. The Bluecurve icon set has also been >> replace by Echo in the current development tree. > > However, the "Bluecurve" icon theme was and still is the default icon theme for all "RHEL" versions including 5 [supported until *2014*], and therefore certainly deserves some maintenance either by the "Fedora" community or "Red Hat" its At least keep symlinks up to date as in the case of "Places > CD/DVD Creator" which used to show the correct "Bluecurve" icon up to "FC5" but now uses a "Tango" one even when the "Bluecurve" icon theme has been chosen. What RHEL ships is completely irrelevant to fedora-art list. So if you want to file bugs in Bluecurve icons for RHEL, you should use Red Hat support channels or bugzilla for RHEL as appropriate. For FC5 it is pretty much in a freeze where security bugs are fixed and such cosmetic issues wont get much attention so late in the release lifecycle. Rahul From jfrieben at gmx.de Tue Mar 20 19:15:31 2007 From: jfrieben at gmx.de (Joachim Frieben) Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2007 20:15:31 +0100 Subject: Bluecurve style: announcing QSimpleStyle In-Reply-To: <46002DD2.8050302@fedoraproject.org> References: <1173757859.32610.7.camel@adelia.vilar> <45FE453A.1010403@fedoraproject.org> <20070319100846.256310@gmx.net> <46002DD2.8050302@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <20070320191531.124970@gmx.net> > At least keep symlinks up to date as in the case of "Places > CD/DVD > Creator" which used to show the correct "Bluecurve" icon up to "FC5" > but now uses a "Tango" one even when the "Bluecurve" icon theme has been > chosen. > > What RHEL ships is completely irrelevant to fedora-art list. So if you > want to file bugs in Bluecurve icons for RHEL, you should use Red Hat > support channels or bugzilla for RHEL as appropriate. For FC5 it is > pretty much in a freeze where security bugs are fixed and such cosmetic > issues wont get much attention so late in the release lifecycle. > > Rahul Huh? I actually wrote that the "CD/DVD > Creator" icon in "FC5" is the right one - the opposite of what you assert! Things broke later, namely in "FC6" for which I posted a bug report [#230002] 4 weeks ago. -- "Feel free" - 5 GB Mailbox, 50 FreeSMS/Monat ... Jetzt GMX ProMail testen: www.gmx.net/de/go/mailfooter/promail-out From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Tue Mar 20 19:19:33 2007 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2007 00:49:33 +0530 Subject: Bluecurve style: announcing QSimpleStyle In-Reply-To: <20070320191531.124970@gmx.net> References: <1173757859.32610.7.camel@adelia.vilar> <45FE453A.1010403@fedoraproject.org> <20070319100846.256310@gmx.net> <46002DD2.8050302@fedoraproject.org> <20070320191531.124970@gmx.net> Message-ID: <460033C5.2060208@fedoraproject.org> Joachim Frieben wrote: >> At least keep symlinks up to date as in the case of "Places > CD/DVD >> Creator" which used to show the correct "Bluecurve" icon up to "FC5" >> but now uses a "Tango" one even when the "Bluecurve" icon theme has been >> chosen. >> >> What RHEL ships is completely irrelevant to fedora-art list. So if you >> want to file bugs in Bluecurve icons for RHEL, you should use Red Hat >> support channels or bugzilla for RHEL as appropriate. For FC5 it is >> pretty much in a freeze where security bugs are fixed and such cosmetic >> issues wont get much attention so late in the release lifecycle. >> >> Rahul > > Huh? I actually wrote that the "CD/DVD > Creator" icon in "FC5" is the right one - the opposite of what you assert! Things broke later, namely in "FC6" for which I posted a bug report [#230002] 4 weeks ago. Sorry. I misread that. Rahul PS: Your mails dont line wrap for some reason making it harder to read. From lightsolphoenix at gmail.com Tue Mar 20 19:20:22 2007 From: lightsolphoenix at gmail.com (Kelly) Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2007 15:20:22 -0400 Subject: Bluecurve style: announcing QSimpleStyle In-Reply-To: <45FE453A.1010403@fedoraproject.org> References: <1173757859.32610.7.camel@adelia.vilar> <45FE453A.1010403@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <200703201520.23654.lightsolphoenix@gmail.com> To be entirely honest, IMO the default for KDE should be Klearlooks for the widgets at least. I have a really effective Dekorator theme which makes KDE windows look like GNOME/Clearlook windows, too... On Monday, March 19, 2007 4:09 am Rahul Sundaram wrote: > Bluecurve was done almost entirely by a single person - Garrett LeSage, > who does not work for Red Hat anymore. Fedora itself has moved to using > Clearlooks for GNOME and possibly Plastik for KDE in Fedora 7 which is > the default upstream themes. The Bluecurve icon set has also been > replace by Echo in the current development tree. -- http://www.mozilla.org/products/firefox/ - Get Firefox! http://www.mozilla.org/products/thunderbird/ - Reclaim Your Inbox! Please avoid sending me Word or PowerPoint attachments. See http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Tue Mar 20 19:45:06 2007 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2007 01:15:06 +0530 Subject: Bluecurve style: announcing QSimpleStyle In-Reply-To: <200703201520.23654.lightsolphoenix@gmail.com> References: <1173757859.32610.7.camel@adelia.vilar> <45FE453A.1010403@fedoraproject.org> <200703201520.23654.lightsolphoenix@gmail.com> Message-ID: <460039C2.8010405@fedoraproject.org> Kelly wrote: > To be entirely honest, IMO the default for KDE should be Klearlooks for the > widgets at least. I have a really effective Dekorator theme which makes KDE > windows look like GNOME/Clearlook windows, too... If you are serious about this proposal, you should work with the KDE SIG and discuss this in the periodical meetings they have. A default theme is something that should be taken very seriously since it affects the look and feel, quality etc. At the minimum it should atleast be available in the Fedora repository. We are very near the feature freeze for Fedora 7 too. Rahul From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Tue Mar 20 19:47:06 2007 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2007 01:17:06 +0530 Subject: animation In-Reply-To: References: <45FEB011.2060008@nicubunu.ro> <45FEF8BA.6040706@redhat.com> <45FEFFEE.80302@glezos.com> Message-ID: <46003A3A.6080007@fedoraproject.org> Jack Daniels wrote: > Hi there > > I saw Fedora 7 default artwork and it was rely great, I couldn?t believe > then from that start we will have something like that while I was > looking work on progress for art work on fedora 7. > > While I look on that balloon I feel like it moves slowly and I was > thinking how about to make an animated short clip for promoting Fedora 7. > > So what you think if we start an animated clip for Fedora 7 and to make > more complete marketing campaign before lunching a new version of Fedora? Good idea. Are you interested in doing this? Perhaps you can coordinate in fedora-marketing list. Rahul Ps: Avoid thread hijacking. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thread_hijacking From lightsolphoenix at gmail.com Tue Mar 20 20:04:22 2007 From: lightsolphoenix at gmail.com (Kelly) Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2007 16:04:22 -0400 Subject: Bluecurve style: announcing QSimpleStyle In-Reply-To: <460039C2.8010405@fedoraproject.org> References: <1173757859.32610.7.camel@adelia.vilar> <200703201520.23654.lightsolphoenix@gmail.com> <460039C2.8010405@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <200703201604.22891.lightsolphoenix@gmail.com> Uh... you didn't accidentally assume "I have" = "I designed", did you? At any rate, I meant in Fedora, because Klearlooks is the KDE equivalent of Clearlooks, which is what Fedora is using as default in GNOME. I notice that generally, it does a good job of unifying the appearance of programs (though I am mainly a KDE user, I use GTK+ programs as well, so it's nice to have a setup like Bluecurve/QtCurve/*looks to keep the programs looking the same). On Tuesday, March 20, 2007 3:45 pm Rahul Sundaram wrote: > Kelly wrote: > > To be entirely honest, IMO the default for KDE should be Klearlooks for > > the widgets at least. I have a really effective Dekorator theme which > > makes KDE windows look like GNOME/Clearlook windows, too... > > If you are serious about this proposal, you should work with the KDE SIG > and discuss this in the periodical meetings they have. A default theme > is something that should be taken very seriously since it affects the > look and feel, quality etc. At the minimum it should atleast be > available in the Fedora repository. We are very near the feature freeze > for Fedora 7 too. > > Rahul -- http://www.mozilla.org/products/firefox/ - Get Firefox! http://www.mozilla.org/products/thunderbird/ - Reclaim Your Inbox! Please avoid sending me Word or PowerPoint attachments. See http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Tue Mar 20 20:11:29 2007 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2007 01:41:29 +0530 Subject: Bluecurve style: announcing QSimpleStyle In-Reply-To: <200703201604.22891.lightsolphoenix@gmail.com> References: <1173757859.32610.7.camel@adelia.vilar> <200703201520.23654.lightsolphoenix@gmail.com> <460039C2.8010405@fedoraproject.org> <200703201604.22891.lightsolphoenix@gmail.com> Message-ID: <46003FF1.2070406@fedoraproject.org> Kelly wrote: > Uh... you didn't accidentally assume "I have" = "I designed", did you? I actually did. That sentence is ambiguous to me. > At any rate, I meant in Fedora, because Klearlooks is the KDE equivalent of > Clearlooks, which is what Fedora is using as default in GNOME. I notice that > generally, it does a good job of unifying the appearance of programs (though > I am mainly a KDE user, I use GTK+ programs as well, so it's nice to have a > setup like Bluecurve/QtCurve/*looks to keep the programs looking the same). So the question becomes since you use that theme in KDE and use Fedora, are you interested in maintaining the theme package within the Fedora repository? http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/PackageMaintainers We would need to have it packaged and readily available before we test and get feedback to decide on a default theme. Rahul From lightsolphoenix at gmail.com Tue Mar 20 20:27:44 2007 From: lightsolphoenix at gmail.com (Kelly) Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2007 16:27:44 -0400 Subject: Bluecurve style: announcing QSimpleStyle In-Reply-To: <46003FF1.2070406@fedoraproject.org> References: <1173757859.32610.7.camel@adelia.vilar> <200703201604.22891.lightsolphoenix@gmail.com> <46003FF1.2070406@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <200703201627.45575.lightsolphoenix@gmail.com> On Tuesday, March 20, 2007 4:11 pm Rahul Sundaram wrote: > Kelly wrote: > > Uh... you didn't accidentally assume "I have" = "I designed", did you? > > I actually did. That sentence is ambiguous to me. Sorry, my fault. I didn't word it very well. > > At any rate, I meant in Fedora, because Klearlooks is the KDE equivalent > > of Clearlooks, which is what Fedora is using as default in GNOME. I > > notice that generally, it does a good job of unifying the appearance of > > programs (though I am mainly a KDE user, I use GTK+ programs as well, so > > it's nice to have a setup like Bluecurve/QtCurve/*looks to keep the > > programs looking the same). > > So the question becomes since you use that theme in KDE and use Fedora, > are you interested in maintaining the theme package within the Fedora > repository? I would, but I'm not entirely familiar with how to design RPM's. I usually just use checkinstall to make packages if I have to. -- http://www.mozilla.org/products/firefox/ - Get Firefox! http://www.mozilla.org/products/thunderbird/ - Reclaim Your Inbox! Please avoid sending me Word or PowerPoint attachments. See http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Tue Mar 20 20:46:08 2007 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2007 02:16:08 +0530 Subject: Bluecurve style: announcing QSimpleStyle In-Reply-To: <200703201627.45575.lightsolphoenix@gmail.com> References: <1173757859.32610.7.camel@adelia.vilar> <200703201604.22891.lightsolphoenix@gmail.com> <46003FF1.2070406@fedoraproject.org> <200703201627.45575.lightsolphoenix@gmail.com> Message-ID: <46004810.8090108@fedoraproject.org> Kelly wrote: > On Tuesday, March 20, 2007 4:11 pm Rahul Sundaram wrote: >> Kelly wrote: >>> Uh... you didn't accidentally assume "I have" = "I designed", did you? >> I actually did. That sentence is ambiguous to me. > > Sorry, my fault. I didn't word it very well. > >>> At any rate, I meant in Fedora, because Klearlooks is the KDE equivalent >>> of Clearlooks, which is what Fedora is using as default in GNOME. I >>> notice that generally, it does a good job of unifying the appearance of >>> programs (though I am mainly a KDE user, I use GTK+ programs as well, so >>> it's nice to have a setup like Bluecurve/QtCurve/*looks to keep the >>> programs looking the same). >> So the question becomes since you use that theme in KDE and use Fedora, >> are you interested in maintaining the theme package within the Fedora >> repository? > > I would, but I'm not entirely familiar with how to design RPM's. I usually > just use checkinstall to make packages if I have to. If you are interested you just have to read the guidelines and submit a draft package for review. Other more experienced packages will review and provide feedback. Listen and adopt the package according to that and you should be get the package into the repository in a short time. What this requires is interest and some amount of time doing maintenance work like responding to bug reports and keeping the package updated. Rahul From dfong at redhat.com Tue Mar 20 21:12:27 2007 From: dfong at redhat.com (Diana Fong) Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2007 17:12:27 -0400 Subject: User Images In-Reply-To: <45F6ED4E.70605@redhat.com> References: <484ace5d0703131014x4a016d8bqd6d278ac1183c847@mail.gmail.com> <45F6ED4E.70605@redhat.com> Message-ID: <46004E3B.8000807@redhat.com> Hello All, I?d like to thank everyone for their submissions to the User Image Request. We received 67 submissions. Along with the images we already had and those from the User Pictures Project, this gave us a total of 223 images from which to choose. Needless to say, it was difficult to narrow these down to 24 default images, but here they are. [1] All 223 images will be packaged along with the release, but they can be found now at: [2] for the set of 24, [3] for extras, and [4] for the source files (warning 49.7M). I would encourage everyone to explore the others and find the one that works best for him/her. In addition, I hope that these will serve as inspiration for other submissions in the future. Thanks again to everyone for participating in this project. Contributors: Markg85 Ben Arnold John Baer Kay Bergemann Thomas Canniot Diana Fong Steven Garrity Dimitris Glezos Mike Langlie Jim Lawrence Garrett LeSage John W. Lockhart Maren Lockhart Jiri Jakub Masek Andreas Nilsson Jef Spaleta Jakub Steiner If I have missed anyone, I apologize. All the submissions and their contributor information can be found at GNOME-look.org (Content:Clipart, Name: UserImage - [name of submission]) and User Picture Project. All images are licensed as GPL. [1] http://www.isity.net/blog/wp-content/themes/default/images/pics/070319/024set.jpg [2] http://people.redhat.com/dfong/userImages/faces.tar.gz [3] http://people.redhat.com/dfong/userImages/extras.tar.gz [4] http://people.redhat.com/dfong/userImages/user-image-source.tar.gz Diana Fong --- Red Hat Visual Designer From dimitris at glezos.com Wed Mar 21 00:55:43 2007 From: dimitris at glezos.com (Dimitris Glezos) Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2007 00:55:43 +0000 Subject: Wiki Banner L10N In-Reply-To: <6600c1b10703201036y680cdbffp553eef5af5fb33cf@mail.gmail.com> References: <6600c1b10703201036y680cdbffp553eef5af5fb33cf@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4600828F.80405@glezos.com> Hey all. I'd like to share my thoughts on Wiki page banners/headers. This includes the Artwork and L10N efforts. First of all, I'd like to say the idea for per-team banners is a very good one and the proposed ones look *great*. It helps avoid user dis-orientation. Two minor issues: 1. It's good to consider having a consistent and global way to define and re-use such elements. For this, I suggest to put every re-usable element under /WikiElements and decide on *one* way to print these out. Probably using the `Include(From, to)` syntax and maximize the use of CSS. 2. Have the banners following the page H1 heading, not before it. We already have two full-width headers: the wiki global one and the H1 for each page. We might need to decide using *banners* for each project instead of headers, followed by a navigation box. For an example, see: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DimitrisGlezos/WikiPageTemplate The appearance can be greatly improved with CSS. Also, the Project Banner can be integrated in the box to save space and code. Anything wider than 250px wide unfortunately makes the text too narrow in 1024 resolution. For some other CSS tricks, please refer to: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DimitrisGlezos/Sandbox In the quest for code re-use, I suggest to use as much as possible the `Include()` command, so that we can make changes across pages and before applying a multi-page change, to discuss it. Editing a huge amount of pages is a nightmare, as experienced by some of us the last days. :) Also, when we apply such a change we should consider all Projects at the same time. For example, get comments from SCo leaders about their needs and design banners for those projects too. My .02. -d O/H Diego B?rigo Zacar?o ??????: > I would suggest a banner for L10N team to be used in wiki pages of our > project like DocsProject and > Artwork 's wiki. > > Please, feel free to modify them. > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DiegoZacarao/TestPage > > ** Original source by NicuBuculei > -- Dimitris Glezos Jabber ID: glezos at jabber.org, GPG: 0xA5A04C3B http://dimitris.glezos.com/ "He who gives up functionality for ease of use loses both and deserves neither." (Anonymous) -- From jjmasek at gmail.com Wed Mar 21 09:07:32 2007 From: jjmasek at gmail.com (Jiri Jakub Masek) Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2007 10:07:32 +0100 Subject: MASCOT Message-ID: Hi everybody, I added to wiki one picture of mascot named Feliks, a dragon-fly pilot, it isn't in the list of possibilities, but it's lovely, isn't it? JJM -- I'm still learning English... Ji?? 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Correct, we don't have to limit ourselves to the listed proposals. -- nicu Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From ben.arnold.inbox at gmail.com Wed Mar 21 09:51:04 2007 From: ben.arnold.inbox at gmail.com (Ben Arnold) Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2007 09:51:04 +0000 Subject: Echo - Throbber animation Message-ID: <9c3bfa1d0703210251m544f1c3bmcdb3a2a591669b1b@mail.gmail.com> All, I have noticed on the Echo wiki page there is a space for a new loading image. I have done some paper-based ideas which I have made a quick mockup for; they can be seen on my wiki page [1]. As this cursor is a kind of key icon, seen by everyone quite a lot of the time, I thought it would be one to pick up on with the rest of 'em. Thanks. ./b 1. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/BenArnold/EchoLoading -- ..// seawolf //.. Ben Arnold e-mail / msn / icq / yahoo iamseawolf (at) gmail (dot) com http://clik.to/seawolfsanctuary fedora core : artwork GnuPG Available - ask me! From luya_tfz at thefinalzone.com Wed Mar 21 10:08:42 2007 From: luya_tfz at thefinalzone.com (Luya Tshimbalanga) Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2007 03:08:42 -0700 Subject: Mascot In-Reply-To: <45FF9A63.8010008@nicubunu.ro> References: <484ace5d0703191015j15aa43b8rb7c91a46179afcb5@mail.gmail.com> <45FF81FA.7050806@nicubunu.ro> <45FF9A63.8010008@nicubunu.ro> Message-ID: <4601042A.2010803@thefinalzone.com> Nicu Buculei wrote: > > I got the time to start something: > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/Mascot > antropomorphic? Sound like we are going to create a Fedora version of Pokemon. antropomorphic, right? *Going to sleep and thinking about steck* From martin.sourada at seznam.cz Wed Mar 21 10:21:52 2007 From: martin.sourada at seznam.cz (Martin Sourada) Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2007 11:21:52 +0100 Subject: Echo - Throbber animation In-Reply-To: <9c3bfa1d0703210251m544f1c3bmcdb3a2a591669b1b@mail.gmail.com> References: <9c3bfa1d0703210251m544f1c3bmcdb3a2a591669b1b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <46010740.7000404@seznam.cz> Ben Arnold napsal(a): > All, > > I have noticed on the Echo wiki page there is a space for a new > loading image. I have done some paper-based ideas which I have made a > quick mockup for; they can be seen on my wiki page [1]. > > As this cursor is a kind of key icon, seen by everyone quite a lot of > the time, I thought it would be one to pick up on with the rest of > 'em. > > Thanks. > ./b > > 1. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/BenArnold/EchoLoading > Hi, It's interesting idea. After some time spent watching the cursor it convinced me - I like it. Yet there can be some improvement. First of all I would not use the red colour you used, it's too striking, drags ones attention to the cursor. Maybe some hue of orange or (typically fedoristic) blue would work better. Next, I know it's only a sketch, but I think it should look more like one of echo icons, though it is cursor, now it looks completely different. I think we could make a complete echo cursor scheme. And finally, I am interested how the same cursor - but without the arrow will look like. It is also very widely used. Thanks, Martin -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 249 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Wed Mar 21 10:34:44 2007 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2007 12:34:44 +0200 Subject: Mascot In-Reply-To: <4601042A.2010803@thefinalzone.com> References: <484ace5d0703191015j15aa43b8rb7c91a46179afcb5@mail.gmail.com> <45FF81FA.7050806@nicubunu.ro> <45FF9A63.8010008@nicubunu.ro> <4601042A.2010803@thefinalzone.com> Message-ID: <46010A44.9060101@nicubunu.ro> Luya Tshimbalanga wrote: > Nicu Buculei wrote: >> I got the time to start something: >> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/Mascot >> > > antropomorphic? Sound like we are going to create a Fedora version of > Pokemon. antropomorphic, right? Well, I definitely would like something along the lines of http://www.freebsd.org/art.html But this is not a rule, just how I see it, and I will *not* make the final decision. -- nicu Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From markg85 at gmail.com Wed Mar 21 12:14:56 2007 From: markg85 at gmail.com (Mark) Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2007 13:14:56 +0100 Subject: Fedora Firefox Start Page In-Reply-To: <484ace5d0703200944j5e3f811j220da2f878d07ec4@mail.gmail.com> References: <484ace5d0703200944j5e3f811j220da2f878d07ec4@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <6e24a8e80703210514nd057fa2id747caf75dcdec21@mail.gmail.com> i like and dislike it... i like the idea i dislike the icons that are on the page.. make them smaller. also center the fedora cloud ;) the idea is nice. o and that top grey fading bar might be better in darkblue or even black... (just to let it fir with a cloud.. now you have a rainy day ^_^) 2007/3/20, John Baer : > Mo wrote: > > By default we ship Firefox to load a local Fedora-specific landing page. > > Dimitris worked on this for FC6. You may want to discuss its design for > > F7 (although at this point it's a bit late in the release cycle.) > +1 > > Things are piling up anyway. I have FC6 how-to's I want to create and it > looks like we have a mascot to create! > > :) > > John > > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list > > From markg85 at gmail.com Wed Mar 21 12:25:40 2007 From: markg85 at gmail.com (Mark) Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2007 13:25:40 +0100 Subject: User Images In-Reply-To: <46004E3B.8000807@redhat.com> References: <484ace5d0703131014x4a016d8bqd6d278ac1183c847@mail.gmail.com> <45F6ED4E.70605@redhat.com> <46004E3B.8000807@redhat.com> Message-ID: <6e24a8e80703210525u6eef5f3bi605117b4b28edfc0@mail.gmail.com> damn.. mine didn`t made it into the main 24 images.. o well.. better luck next time. btw.. i seem to be the only one that is know with his nickname only (markg85) ^_^ o well.. i like my privacy. btw.. is a contest like this gonna be held for the next fedora as well (core 8)? i sure hope it will. Mark. 2007/3/20, Diana Fong : > Hello All, > > I'd like to thank everyone for their submissions to the User Image > Request. We received 67 submissions. Along with the images we already > had and those from the User Pictures Project, this gave us a total of > 223 images from which to choose. Needless to say, it was difficult to > narrow these down to 24 default images, but here they are. [1] > > All 223 images will be packaged along with the release, but they can be > found now at: [2] for the set of 24, [3] for extras, and [4] for the > source files (warning 49.7M). I would encourage everyone to explore the > others and find the one that works best for him/her. In addition, I hope > that these will serve as inspiration for other submissions in the > future. Thanks again to everyone for participating in this project. > > Contributors: > Markg85 > Ben Arnold > John Baer > Kay Bergemann > Thomas Canniot > Diana Fong > Steven Garrity > Dimitris Glezos > Mike Langlie > Jim Lawrence > Garrett LeSage > John W. Lockhart > Maren Lockhart > Jiri Jakub Masek > Andreas Nilsson > Jef Spaleta > Jakub Steiner > > If I have missed anyone, I apologize. All the submissions and their > contributor information can be found at GNOME-look.org (Content:Clipart, > Name: UserImage - [name of submission]) and User Picture Project. All > images are licensed as GPL. > > [1] > http://www.isity.net/blog/wp-content/themes/default/images/pics/070319/024set.jpg > [2] http://people.redhat.com/dfong/userImages/faces.tar.gz > [3] http://people.redhat.com/dfong/userImages/extras.tar.gz > [4] http://people.redhat.com/dfong/userImages/user-image-source.tar.gz > > > Diana Fong > --- > Red Hat Visual Designer > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list > From markg85 at gmail.com Wed Mar 21 12:34:24 2007 From: markg85 at gmail.com (Mark) Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2007 13:34:24 +0100 Subject: Echo icon set: preferences-system mockups In-Reply-To: <45FE8E67.9070406@seznam.cz> References: <45FD3220.7050005@seznam.cz> <1174224085.19932.26.camel@rousalka.dyndns.org> <45FD4178.4070809@seznam.cz> <1174230376.19932.31.camel@rousalka.dyndns.org> <45FD80E0.1040807@seznam.cz> <31800.192.54.193.51.1174299260.squirrel@rousalka.dyndns.org> <9c3bfa1d0703190423g108a2612vc070cbd3aed30dfc@mail.gmail.com> <45FE8E67.9070406@seznam.cz> Message-ID: <6e24a8e80703210534y47842dbesccca216c34c4342b@mail.gmail.com> it`s simply wonderful i can`t give any critics on that... just looks cool. 2007/3/19, Martin Sourada : > Ben Arnold napsal(a): > > How about the orange that is used in the recent document-properties > > lot? I would have thought that contrasted nicelyh with the blue in the > > monitor and gives a more universal association with that colour. > > > > I imagine, on the smaller versions, the screwdriver head might need to > > be a little darker or thicker for clarity but the rest of it looks > > good. > > > Hmm, not a bad idea. I made new version (16x16 size included). Please, check it out. > > > I would produce a mockup but there is no SVG with this thread :) > > > > ./b > > > Well, I think there is some limit in this list for size of attachments and svgs > are too big. If there is need I can e-mail it to you directly or post it on my > wiki page. > > Also, what about the preferences-system-1 (the wrench with a screwdriver). Is it > suitable for gnome-settings? Is it ok? > > Thanks, > Martin > > Attachments: > [1] preferences-system-2c16.png > [2] preferences-system-2c24.png > [3] preferences-system-2cL.png > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list > > > From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Wed Mar 21 12:40:01 2007 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2007 14:40:01 +0200 Subject: User Images In-Reply-To: <6e24a8e80703210525u6eef5f3bi605117b4b28edfc0@mail.gmail.com> References: <484ace5d0703131014x4a016d8bqd6d278ac1183c847@mail.gmail.com> <45F6ED4E.70605@redhat.com> <46004E3B.8000807@redhat.com> <6e24a8e80703210525u6eef5f3bi605117b4b28edfc0@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <460127A1.20409@nicubunu.ro> Mark wrote: > > btw.. is a contest like this gonna be held for the next fedora as well > (core 8)? > i sure hope it will. Is too early to tell, we don't know yet even if the login scrren will remain the same or will be 3D. My personal opinion is that it does not make sense to change the set of user icons at each release (every 6 months). If you like this kind of contests, we can have more of them, look at the thread about mascots. When we will set up the needed infrastructure we may have even 'graphic of the week' to keep us motivated. -- nicu Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From markg85 at gmail.com Wed Mar 21 13:12:57 2007 From: markg85 at gmail.com (Mark) Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2007 14:12:57 +0100 Subject: User Images In-Reply-To: <460127A1.20409@nicubunu.ro> References: <484ace5d0703131014x4a016d8bqd6d278ac1183c847@mail.gmail.com> <45F6ED4E.70605@redhat.com> <46004E3B.8000807@redhat.com> <6e24a8e80703210525u6eef5f3bi605117b4b28edfc0@mail.gmail.com> <460127A1.20409@nicubunu.ro> Message-ID: <6e24a8e80703210612y28f1fecpb391c0f13164effb@mail.gmail.com> > Is too early to tell, we don't know yet even if the login scrren will > remain the same or will be 3D. 3D... more info on that please.. i didn`t see anything about that passing by in the mailing list here.. i might have missed it or it passed by before i watched here. If you like this kind of contests, we can have more of them, look at the > thread about mascots. hehe there are contests where i`m good at.. and where i`m not. the mascot part is something i`m just not good at. When we will set up the needed infrastructure we may have even 'graphic > of the week' to keep us motivated. that would be nice 2007/3/21, Nicu Buculei : > > Mark wrote: > > > > btw.. is a contest like this gonna be held for the next fedora as well > > (core 8)? > > i sure hope it will. > > Is too early to tell, we don't know yet even if the login scrren will > remain the same or will be 3D. > > My personal opinion is that it does not make sense to change the set of > user icons at each release (every 6 months). > > If you like this kind of contests, we can have more of them, look at the > thread about mascots. > > When we will set up the needed infrastructure we may have even 'graphic > of the week' to keep us motivated. > > -- > nicu > Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ > Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org > my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 249 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Wed Mar 21 14:07:34 2007 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2007 16:07:34 +0200 Subject: New projekt? Echo cursor theme In-Reply-To: <46013183.3070204@seznam.cz> References: <46013183.3070204@seznam.cz> Message-ID: <46013C26.5070309@nicubunu.ro> Martin Sourada wrote: > Hi all, > > with Ben Arnold's throbber animation it came to my mind, that fedora uses the > same cursors red hat used for years - bluecurve. I think, as we replacing the IIRC, the current cursor theme is not that old as Bluecurve, but certainly is made some years ago. > old bluecurve icon theme with new one, we could do the same with the rest of the > artwork. So what about making an Echo cursor theme? It could use similar I don't think anyone would oppose such a project. Start a cursor theme and if it will look better then probably it will be used. > guidelines to Echo icons' and could be (basically) derived from an arrow in > applications-internet icon [1]. What do you think? Currently Bluecurve have two sets of icons: normal (black) and inverse (white). Probably it would be a good idea to keep using two sets (in fact there are 4 sets, the two are duplicate for left hand users, but this is just mirroring). A cursor theme has a relatively small number of images, so the quantity is not the main problem, the main problem is optimizing the images for small size display. And my two cents: usually the mouse cursor is shown over a light background, so I think a dark theme make sense as the default. notes: - for reference, here you can download the Bluecurve icon thmemes: https://hosted.fedoraproject.org/projects/bluecurve/browser/bluecurve/cursors (use anonymous git, the web interface has a bug and will not allow downloads) - unfortunately, we don't have a vector version so you have to start from scratch or edit the raster version -- nicu Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From dfong at redhat.com Wed Mar 21 14:17:14 2007 From: dfong at redhat.com (Diana Fong) Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2007 10:17:14 -0400 Subject: User Images In-Reply-To: <6e24a8e80703210525u6eef5f3bi605117b4b28edfc0@mail.gmail.com> References: <484ace5d0703131014x4a016d8bqd6d278ac1183c847@mail.gmail.com> <45F6ED4E.70605@redhat.com> <46004E3B.8000807@redhat.com> <6e24a8e80703210525u6eef5f3bi605117b4b28edfc0@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1174486634.25055.11.camel@marshall.boston.redhat.com> On Wed, 2007-03-21 at 13:25 +0100, Mark wrote: > damn.. mine didn`t made it into the main 24 images.. o well.. better > luck next time. > btw.. i seem to be the only one that is know with his nickname only > (markg85) ^_^ o well.. i like my privacy. > > btw.. is a contest like this gonna be held for the next fedora as well (core 8)? > i sure hope it will. > > Mark. Hi Mark, Thanks again for your submissions. As the plan for this project, and all its submissions, is to be pushed upstream to GNOME in the coming weeks. I'd encourage you to created/submit more of these images to the project there. Your submissions were quite nice and we thought that if more were created in that style, it could form a themed set. I could not find your name from your emails and postings on GNOME-look.org so went with markg85. I can easily update the info with your full name...please let me know what it is and I will update. Thank you. Diana Fong --- Red Hat Visual Designer From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Wed Mar 21 14:17:08 2007 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2007 16:17:08 +0200 Subject: User Images In-Reply-To: <6e24a8e80703210612y28f1fecpb391c0f13164effb@mail.gmail.com> References: <484ace5d0703131014x4a016d8bqd6d278ac1183c847@mail.gmail.com> <45F6ED4E.70605@redhat.com> <46004E3B.8000807@redhat.com> <6e24a8e80703210525u6eef5f3bi605117b4b28edfc0@mail.gmail.com> <460127A1.20409@nicubunu.ro> <6e24a8e80703210612y28f1fecpb391c0f13164effb@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <46013E64.7090904@nicubunu.ro> Mark wrote: > > Is too early to tell, we don't know yet even if the login scrren will > remain the same or will be 3D. > > > 3D... more info on that please.. i didn`t see anything about that > passing by in the mailing list here.. i might have missed it or it > passed by before i watched here. 3D as in using AIGLX http://macslow.thepimp.net/shots/face-browser-mockup-1.png http://macslow.thepimp.net/shots/face-browser-mockup-2.png source: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FaceBrowserLogin -- nicu Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From ben.arnold.inbox at gmail.com Wed Mar 21 14:35:19 2007 From: ben.arnold.inbox at gmail.com (Ben Arnold) Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2007 14:35:19 +0000 Subject: Echo - Throbber animation In-Reply-To: <46010740.7000404@seznam.cz> References: <9c3bfa1d0703210251m544f1c3bmcdb3a2a591669b1b@mail.gmail.com> <46010740.7000404@seznam.cz> Message-ID: <9c3bfa1d0703210735v7a7e19f6l8dd1b825b24d6646@mail.gmail.com> On 21/03/07, Martin Sourada wrote: > It's interesting idea. After some time spent watching the cursor it convinced me > - I like it. Yet there can be some improvement. First of all I would not use the > red colour you used, it's too striking, drags ones attention to the cursor. > Maybe some hue of orange or (typically fedoristic) blue would work better. Thanks. Very true, the red is horrible, it was the nearest colour in my palette :) I think the Echo light blue with a white outline or blurry trail? I'm thinking eventually 3-D here... :-D > Next, > I know it's only a sketch, but I think it should look more like one of echo > icons, though it is cursor, now it looks completely different. I think we could > make a complete echo cursor scheme. And finally, I am interested how the same > cursor - but without the arrow will look like. It is also very widely used. That's probably the next stage after the animation, designing the pointer. I can imagine a slightly beveled or 3-D arrow would work with the balls well, contrasting with the iconset. Maybe. Please see my post on the other thread on this but let's keep this one to just the animation :) -- ..// seawolf //.. Ben Arnold e-mail / msn / icq / yahoo iamseawolf (at) gmail (dot) com http://clik.to/seawolfsanctuary fedora core : artwork GnuPG Available - ask me! From ben.arnold.inbox at gmail.com Wed Mar 21 14:32:54 2007 From: ben.arnold.inbox at gmail.com (Ben Arnold) Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2007 14:32:54 +0000 Subject: Echo cursor theme Message-ID: <9c3bfa1d0703210732t4e3997cagba32f2c87b6095a1@mail.gmail.com> On 21/03/07, Nicu Buculei wrote: > Martin Sourada wrote: > > So what about making an Echo cursor theme? > I don't think anyone would oppose such a project. Start a cursor theme > and if it will look better then probably it will be used. Over lunch, I have done some quick paper sketches which I shall upload to my page this evening. > > A cursor theme has a relatively small number of images, so the quantity > is not the main problem, the main problem is optimizing the images for > small size display. The arrow in the icon that Martin referenced suits this anyway. My idea may need some development but it's a little more graphically inteesting than that large white arrow. > And my two cents: usually the mouse cursor is shown over a light > background, so I think a dark theme make sense as the default. +1. An inverted outline could be used as well. -- ..// seawolf //.. Ben Arnold e-mail / msn / icq / yahoo iamseawolf (at) gmail (dot) com http://clik.to/seawolfsanctuary fedora core : artwork GnuPG Available - ask me! From martin.sourada at seznam.cz Wed Mar 21 15:35:15 2007 From: martin.sourada at seznam.cz (Martin Sourada) Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2007 16:35:15 +0100 Subject: Echo cursor theme In-Reply-To: <9c3bfa1d0703210732t4e3997cagba32f2c87b6095a1@mail.gmail.com> References: <9c3bfa1d0703210732t4e3997cagba32f2c87b6095a1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <460150B3.2060607@seznam.cz> Ben Arnold napsal(a): > On 21/03/07, Nicu Buculei wrote: > >> Martin Sourada wrote: >> > So what about making an Echo cursor theme? > >> I don't think anyone would oppose such a project. Start a cursor theme >> and if it will look better then probably it will be used. > > Over lunch, I have done some quick paper sketches which I shall upload > to my page this evening. > Will we make some wiki page for them (like EchoDevelopment) to easily track which ones need to be done now, or just start with sketches? >> >> A cursor theme has a relatively small number of images, so the quantity >> is not the main problem, the main problem is optimizing the images for >> small size display. > > The arrow in the icon that Martin referenced suits this anyway. My > idea may need some development but it's a little more graphically > inteesting than that large white arrow. > Well, I quite like that arrow, it's not large white... it has some gradient and some depth, but I am certainly looking forward to your sketches. >> And my two cents: usually the mouse cursor is shown over a light >> background, so I think a dark theme make sense as the default. > > +1. > An inverted outline could be used as well. > +1 Thanks, Martin -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 249 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From martin.sourada at seznam.cz Wed Mar 21 15:28:50 2007 From: martin.sourada at seznam.cz (Martin Sourada) Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2007 16:28:50 +0100 Subject: New projekt? Echo cursor theme In-Reply-To: <46013C26.5070309@nicubunu.ro> References: <46013183.3070204@seznam.cz> <46013C26.5070309@nicubunu.ro> Message-ID: <46014F32.8020203@seznam.cz> Nicu Buculei napsal(a): > IIRC, the current cursor theme is not that old as Bluecurve, but > certainly is made some years ago. > Hm,... than at least it is named Bluecurve... look at mouse cursor settings or under /usr/share/icons/Bluecurve/cursors. > Currently Bluecurve have two sets of icons: normal (black) and inverse > (white). Probably it would be a good idea to keep using two sets (in > fact there are 4 sets, the two are duplicate for left hand users, but > this is just mirroring). > Well, I thought we could add to the cursors some depth like in echo icons, then it would be not just only mirroring, but near that. I think it will be better, as you suggested, to have these four sets (dark/light right/left-handed). > A cursor theme has a relatively small number of images, so the quantity > is not the main problem, the main problem is optimizing the images for > small size display. > Hmm, the current default are at smallest not smaller than 16x16 - so same problem as small icons and with bigger sizes there's no problem, I think. > And my two cents: usually the mouse cursor is shown over a light > background, so I think a dark theme make sense as the default. > Yeah, I agree, even though I like the white ones more... > notes: > - for reference, here you can download the Bluecurve icon thmemes: > https://hosted.fedoraproject.org/projects/bluecurve/browser/bluecurve/cursors > (use anonymous git, the web interface has a bug and will not allow > downloads) > - unfortunately, we don't have a vector version so you have to start > from scratch or edit the raster version > Thanks, I already downloaded some cursor themes from gnome-look for reference, but will look at bluecurve also. Thanks, Martin -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 249 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Wed Mar 21 15:08:04 2007 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2007 17:08:04 +0200 Subject: Echo cursor theme In-Reply-To: <9c3bfa1d0703210732t4e3997cagba32f2c87b6095a1@mail.gmail.com> References: <9c3bfa1d0703210732t4e3997cagba32f2c87b6095a1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <46014A54.9080007@nicubunu.ro> Ben Arnold wrote: > On 21/03/07, Nicu Buculei wrote: > >> A cursor theme has a relatively small number of images, so the quantity >> is not the main problem, the main problem is optimizing the images for >> small size display. > > The arrow in the icon that Martin referenced suits this anyway. My > idea may need some development but it's a little more graphically > inteesting than that large white arrow. One more detail to keep in mind for design: we have 3 sizes for cursors - 24x24, 36x36 and 48x48, with 24x24 being the default. -- nicu Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Wed Mar 21 15:47:06 2007 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2007 17:47:06 +0200 Subject: Echo cursor theme In-Reply-To: <460150B3.2060607@seznam.cz> References: <9c3bfa1d0703210732t4e3997cagba32f2c87b6095a1@mail.gmail.com> <460150B3.2060607@seznam.cz> Message-ID: <4601537A.7060504@nicubunu.ro> Martin Sourada wrote: > > Will we make some wiki page for them (like EchoDevelopment) to easily track > which ones need to be done now, or just start with sketches? Sure, start a wiki page and post the sketches on that page. -- nicu Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From martin.sourada at seznam.cz Wed Mar 21 16:03:37 2007 From: martin.sourada at seznam.cz (Martin Sourada) Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2007 17:03:37 +0100 Subject: Echo cursor theme In-Reply-To: <4601537A.7060504@nicubunu.ro> References: <9c3bfa1d0703210732t4e3997cagba32f2c87b6095a1@mail.gmail.com> <460150B3.2060607@seznam.cz> <4601537A.7060504@nicubunu.ro> Message-ID: <46015759.7000402@seznam.cz> Nicu Buculei napsal(a): > Martin Sourada wrote: >> >> Will we make some wiki page for them (like EchoDevelopment) to easily >> track >> which ones need to be done now, or just start with sketches? > > Sure, start a wiki page and post the sketches on that page. > I created subpage in my personal wiki page for start [1]. Please feel free to edit it. Please add you sketches there. After we make some decision about default look (i.e. pick one of the different type of sketches if there is more than one) we will make also a page to track process, like we have for EchoDevelopment. Thanks, Martin References: [1] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/MartinSourada/EchoCursorTheme -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 249 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From duffy at redhat.com Wed Mar 21 16:19:39 2007 From: duffy at redhat.com (=?UTF-8?B?TcOhaXLDrW4gRHVmZnk=?=) Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2007 12:19:39 -0400 Subject: Echo cursor theme In-Reply-To: <46015759.7000402@seznam.cz> References: <9c3bfa1d0703210732t4e3997cagba32f2c87b6095a1@mail.gmail.com> <460150B3.2060607@seznam.cz> <4601537A.7060504@nicubunu.ro> <46015759.7000402@seznam.cz> Message-ID: <46015B1B.8030901@redhat.com> Hey Martin, Martin Sourada wrote: > Nicu Buculei napsal(a): >> Martin Sourada wrote: >>> Will we make some wiki page for them (like EchoDevelopment) to easily >>> track >>> which ones need to be done now, or just start with sketches? >> Sure, start a wiki page and post the sketches on that page. >> > > I created subpage in my personal wiki page for start [1]. Please feel free to > edit it. Please add you sketches there. After we make some decision about > default look (i.e. pick one of the different type of sketches if there is more > than one) we will make also a page to track process, like we have for > EchoDevelopment. > Why not stick this on the main artwork page? It sounds like a good long-term project to me! It'll make it easier for folks to find I think! ~m From martin.sourada at seznam.cz Wed Mar 21 17:27:29 2007 From: martin.sourada at seznam.cz (Martin Sourada) Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2007 18:27:29 +0100 Subject: Echo cursor theme In-Reply-To: <46015B1B.8030901@redhat.com> References: <9c3bfa1d0703210732t4e3997cagba32f2c87b6095a1@mail.gmail.com> <460150B3.2060607@seznam.cz> <4601537A.7060504@nicubunu.ro> <46015759.7000402@seznam.cz> <46015B1B.8030901@redhat.com> Message-ID: <46016B01.3050903@seznam.cz> M?ir?n Duffy napsal(a): > Hey Martin, > > Why not stick this on the main artwork page? It sounds like a good > long-term project to me! It'll make it easier for folks to find I think! > > ~m > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list > Well, not a bad idea. I listed it under Long-Term Projects [1] since it is in the very beginning. But maybe when it gets more mature we could consider move from Long-Term Projects to Resources? Thanks, Martin References: [1] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 249 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From martin.sourada at seznam.cz Wed Mar 21 20:12:28 2007 From: martin.sourada at seznam.cz (Martin Sourada) Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2007 21:12:28 +0100 Subject: Echo cursor theme In-Reply-To: <46015759.7000402@seznam.cz> References: <9c3bfa1d0703210732t4e3997cagba32f2c87b6095a1@mail.gmail.com> <460150B3.2060607@seznam.cz> <4601537A.7060504@nicubunu.ro> <46015759.7000402@seznam.cz> Message-ID: <460191AC.7030602@seznam.cz> Martin Sourada napsal(a): > I created subpage in my personal wiki page for start [1]. Please feel free to > edit it. Please add you sketches there. After we make some decision about > default look (i.e. pick one of the different type of sketches if there is more > than one) we will make also a page to track process, like we have for > EchoDevelopment. > > Thanks, > Martin > > References: > [1] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/MartinSourada/EchoCursorTheme > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list Hi again, I created and posted first sketch on the Echo Cursor Theme page [1]. Feel free to derive your sketches from it, polish it or post completely new sketches. Also feel free to edit the page if you find there any mistake, or if you can add there something that is not already there. And, of course, any comments on my sketch are appreciated. Thanks, Martin References: [1] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/MartinSourada/EchoCursorTheme -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 249 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From ben.arnold.inbox at gmail.com Wed Mar 21 21:05:38 2007 From: ben.arnold.inbox at gmail.com (Ben Arnold) Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2007 21:05:38 +0000 Subject: Echo cursor theme In-Reply-To: <460191AC.7030602@seznam.cz> References: <9c3bfa1d0703210732t4e3997cagba32f2c87b6095a1@mail.gmail.com> <460150B3.2060607@seznam.cz> <4601537A.7060504@nicubunu.ro> <46015759.7000402@seznam.cz> <460191AC.7030602@seznam.cz> Message-ID: <9c3bfa1d0703211405l1ba67057r12234038a6b9fd66@mail.gmail.com> On 21/03/07, Martin Sourada wrote: > Martin Sourada napsal(a): > > I created subpage in my personal wiki page for start [1]. Please feel free to > > edit it. Please add you sketches there. After we make some decision about > > default look (i.e. pick one of the different type of sketches if there is more > > than one) we will make also a page to track process, like we have for > > EchoDevelopment. > > > > References: > > [1] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/MartinSourada/EchoCursorTheme I think if we put both our current pages on the front Artwork page under Artwork/EchoCursors and Artwork/EchoLoading, it would encourage more people to get involved if they want to and it seems this will continue. What do you think? > Hi again, > > I created and posted first sketch on the Echo Cursor Theme page [1]. Feel free > to derive your sketches from it, polish it or post completely new sketches. Also > feel free to edit the page if you find there any mistake, or if you can add > there something that is not already there. And, of course, any comments on my > sketch are appreciated. I like the idea, similar to [1] and the one I have drawn [2]. The outlining is good and these were exactly the colours I had in mind! I think the 3D effect works more on the right-handed ones because the angle on the lefties is slightly off. It seems to give a bit more contrast, too. ./b P.S. I hope the edit went okay as it seems there have been server problems and a lot of stuff wasn't as it should have been. 1. http://www.kde-look.org/content/preview.php?preview=2&id=32437&file1=32437-1.png&file2=32437-2.png&file3=&name=BlueShinyCursors 2. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/MartinSourada/EchoCursorTheme?action=AttachFile&do=view&target=BA-Arrows-Mar21.jpg -- ..// seawolf //.. Ben Arnold e-mail / msn / icq / yahoo iamseawolf (at) gmail (dot) com http://clik.to/seawolfsanctuary fedora core : artwork GnuPG Available - ask me! From martin.sourada at seznam.cz Wed Mar 21 21:57:22 2007 From: martin.sourada at seznam.cz (Martin Sourada) Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2007 22:57:22 +0100 Subject: Echo cursor theme In-Reply-To: <9c3bfa1d0703211405l1ba67057r12234038a6b9fd66@mail.gmail.com> References: <9c3bfa1d0703210732t4e3997cagba32f2c87b6095a1@mail.gmail.com> <460150B3.2060607@seznam.cz> <4601537A.7060504@nicubunu.ro> <46015759.7000402@seznam.cz> <460191AC.7030602@seznam.cz> <9c3bfa1d0703211405l1ba67057r12234038a6b9fd66@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4601AA42.1050309@seznam.cz> Ben Arnold napsal(a): > I think if we put both our current pages on the front Artwork page > under Artwork/EchoCursors and Artwork/EchoLoading, it would encourage > more people to get involved if they want to and it seems this will > continue. What do you think? > Yep, I think so as well. I renamed the page as you suggested [1]. > I like the idea, similar to [1] and the one I have drawn [2]. The > outlining is good and these were exactly the colours I had in mind! > > I think the 3D effect works more on the right-handed ones because the > angle on the lefties is slightly off. It seems to give a bit more > contrast, too. > > ./b I made some changes to the lefties - the first ones were just 3D-ished roughly, this time I made it more precise, and to same amount as it is in the right-handed ones. > > P.S. I hope the edit went okay as it seems there have been server > problems and a lot of stuff wasn't as it should have been. > > 1. > http://www.kde-look.org/content/preview.php?preview=2&id=32437&file1=32437-1.png&file2=32437-2.png&file3=&name=BlueShinyCursors > > > 2. > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/MartinSourada/EchoCursorTheme?action=AttachFile&do=view&target=BA-Arrows-Mar21.jpg > > Yep, it seems the edit went OK. From your sketches I like the bottom ones, especially "no entry". It's great. 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That is a little too cutesy for such a serious > Linux distro as Fedora. > > I know it's too late to vote, but I just had to put in my .02. I am now > looking for a way to change the startup splash screen to get rid of this > stupid balloon! > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From martin.sourada at seznam.cz Thu Mar 22 12:39:03 2007 From: martin.sourada at seznam.cz (Martin Sourada) Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2007 13:39:03 +0100 Subject: Echo Cursors - naming spec, description, license, etc. Message-ID: <460278E7.8060902@seznam.cz> Hi all, as we started developing Echo Cursors I began to look around which cursors are needed, what are their names and description, what license we should use, etc. So I open this thread for discussion about these things. I have found a draft cursor naming spec [1] at freedesktop.org. Please consider it's implementation. Also I went through the /usr/share/icons/Bluecurve/cursors folder and made a list of cursors named there [2], downloaded Bluecurve cursors png [3] and in the list guessed which names belongs to which cursor. If you think I joined cursor with name wrongly feel free to edit it. I attached it [2] to EchoCursors wiki [4]. Also I updated EchoCursors wiki to show current process and added initial to do list. Feel free to edit / comment it. About license I propose cc-by-sa [5]. Thanks, Martin References: [1] http://freedesktop.org/wiki/Standards_2fcursor_2dspec [2] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/EchoCursors?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=bluecurve-list [3] http://people.redhat.com/duffy/icons/cursors/Bluecurve/Bluecurve-24-1.png [4] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/EchoCursors [5] http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/3.0/ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Thu Mar 22 13:02:34 2007 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2007 15:02:34 +0200 Subject: Echo Cursors - naming spec, description, license, etc. In-Reply-To: <460278E7.8060902@seznam.cz> References: <460278E7.8060902@seznam.cz> Message-ID: <46027E6A.2070806@nicubunu.ro> Martin Sourada wrote: > I have found a draft cursor naming spec [1] at freedesktop.org. Please consider > it's implementation. Also I went through the /usr/share/icons/Bluecurve/cursors > folder and made a list of cursors named there [2], downloaded Bluecurve cursors > png [3] and in the list guessed which names belongs to which cursor. If you > think I joined cursor with name wrongly feel free to edit it. I attached it [2] Don't you think it would be better to put the list as a table inside the wiki page (just like the table with icons) instead of an attachment? This way it would be easier to edit and when we have cursors they can be included in html for visual feed-back. If you insist to keep the list as an attachment, at least rename it as .txt, maybe this way it will have a correct MIME type and will be opened directly in the browser. > to EchoCursors wiki [4]. Also I updated EchoCursors wiki to show current process > and added initial to do list. Feel free to edit / comment it. About license I > propose cc-by-sa [5]. Not sure about the license, we talked about licensing some time ago and it was not clear if CC-BY-SA is compatible with GPL. And be aware that anything you post on the wiki automatically fall under OPL - http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Legal/Licenses/OPL -- nicu Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From martin.sourada at seznam.cz Thu Mar 22 13:16:44 2007 From: martin.sourada at seznam.cz (Martin Sourada) Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2007 14:16:44 +0100 Subject: Echo Cursors - naming spec, description, license, etc. In-Reply-To: <1174568173.3646.2.camel@dhcp83-33.boston.redhat.com> References: <460278E7.8060902@seznam.cz> <1174568173.3646.2.camel@dhcp83-33.boston.redhat.com> Message-ID: <460281BC.7070906@seznam.cz> Matthias Clasen napsal(a): > On Thu, 2007-03-22 at 13:39 +0100, Martin Sourada wrote: > >> I have found a draft cursor naming spec [1] at freedesktop.org. Please consider >> it's implementation. > > Note that there is NO support for this draft anywhere in our desktop to > date. Toolkits are not supporting it, and applications are not using it. > While I agree that having something like that draft in place would > improve the cursor theming situation, it is a bit premature to base > cursor theme work on it at this point. > > > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list > Well, I think we need something to start with. I think these are cursors that are used, and come along with quite good description for what are they used, only the names are different - that can be handled either by changing the names directly, or making proper symlinks to these. But if majority is against this I do not want to force it. Thanks, Martin -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 249 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From martin.sourada at seznam.cz Thu Mar 22 13:26:11 2007 From: martin.sourada at seznam.cz (Martin Sourada) Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2007 14:26:11 +0100 Subject: Echo Cursors - naming spec, description, license, etc. In-Reply-To: <46027E6A.2070806@nicubunu.ro> References: <460278E7.8060902@seznam.cz> <46027E6A.2070806@nicubunu.ro> Message-ID: <460283F3.7090302@seznam.cz> Nicu Buculei napsal(a): > Don't you think it would be better to put the list as a table inside the > wiki page (just like the table with icons) instead of an attachment? > This way it would be easier to edit and when we have cursors they can be > included in html for visual feed-back. > If you insist to keep the list as an attachment, at least rename it as > .txt, maybe this way it will have a correct MIME type and will be opened > directly in the browser. > Well, the list is an early draft, and maybe it is incomplete/incorrect. I consider it as a source for the table that needs to be done, as well as the draft cursor-specs from freedesktop.org. Thanks for the suggestion about MIME type. Fixed [1]. > Not sure about the license, we talked about licensing some time ago and > it was not clear if CC-BY-SA is compatible with GPL. > And be aware that anything you post on the wiki automatically fall under > OPL - http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Legal/Licenses/OPL > I also read something about it, though not in fedora case... As I went through some currently developed projects I saw that Echo Icon Theme falls under this license (though older version), so I though it could be the same with Echo Cursors. Thanks, Martin References [1] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/EchoCursors?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=bluecurve-list.txt -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Charles Le jeudi 22 mars 2007 ? 13:17 +0100, Mark a ?crit : > guess it`s just a mather of taste. > i like the new theme. > > 2007/3/21, Andrew Simkovsky : > I normally don't get involved in artwork on Linux, mostly > because I'm not an artist, and I really don't know what I'm > talking about in that area. But in this case I can't sit back > and let it happen. > > The default Fedora theme in FC7 is flat out crap. Balloons??? > Why balloons? I absolutely LOVED the DNA theme in FC6, and > now we are going to some silly hot air balloon? That is a > little too cutesy for such a serious Linux distro as Fedora. > > I know it's too late to vote, but I just had to put in my .02. > I am now looking for a way to change the startup splash screen > to get rid of this stupid balloon! > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list > > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list -- Charles Vinchon French Fedora Ambassador (GMT+1) -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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(never had a special love about these issues...) -d -- Dimitris Glezos Jabber ID: glezos at jabber.org, GPG: 0xA5A04C3B http://dimitris.glezos.com/ "He who gives up functionality for ease of use loses both and deserves neither." (Anonymous) -- From duffy at redhat.com Thu Mar 22 14:47:13 2007 From: duffy at redhat.com (=?UTF-8?B?TcOhaXLDrW4gRHVmZnk=?=) Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2007 10:47:13 -0400 Subject: Echo cursor theme In-Reply-To: <4601AA42.1050309@seznam.cz> References: <9c3bfa1d0703210732t4e3997cagba32f2c87b6095a1@mail.gmail.com> <460150B3.2060607@seznam.cz> <4601537A.7060504@nicubunu.ro> <46015759.7000402@seznam.cz> <460191AC.7030602@seznam.cz> <9c3bfa1d0703211405l1ba67057r12234038a6b9fd66@mail.gmail.com> <4601AA42.1050309@seznam.cz> Message-ID: <460296F1.9030708@redhat.com> Hi Martin and Ben, Martin Sourada wrote: > Ben Arnold napsal(a): >> I think if we put both our current pages on the front Artwork page >> under Artwork/EchoCursors and Artwork/EchoLoading, it would encourage >> more people to get involved if they want to and it seems this will >> continue. What do you think? >> > Yep, I think so as well. I renamed the page as you suggested [1]. I think your drawings and sketches for the Echo cursors look great! I'm very impressed. One thing I would suggest, though, is maybe trying to use some of them over a time and see how they 'feel' (does that make sense?) Sometimes with graphics like these that are always visible on the desktop, it's hard to tell without *using* them how well they work. Does it sound like a good idea that we can try some of the new cursors to see how they feel? I think for us to test the echo cursors we would have to build them with a tool called xcursorgen: http://www.xfree86.org/current/xcursorgen.1.html Anyway I just wanted to point that suggestion out. ~m From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Thu Mar 22 14:49:33 2007 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2007 16:49:33 +0200 Subject: Echo Cursors - naming spec, description, license, etc. In-Reply-To: <46029575.6090200@glezos.com> References: <460278E7.8060902@seznam.cz> <46027E6A.2070806@nicubunu.ro> <46029575.6090200@glezos.com> Message-ID: <4602977D.5050405@nicubunu.ro> Dimitris Glezos wrote: > O/H Nicu Buculei ??????: >> And be aware that anything you post on the wiki automatically fall under >> OPL - http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Legal/Licenses/OPL > > Well, you may also license it under some other license or even put a clear > notice that this is not under the OPL but the other license. > > ..right? (never had a special love about these issues...) Right, of course you can put the work under dual license. But my understanding (IANAL) is that you can't skip OPL, which is not necessarily bad, OPL is a fine free license. The right question is: for a cursor theme to be accepted in the distro, what licensing options we have? Bluecurve is licensed as GPL. -- nicu Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From martin.sourada at seznam.cz Thu Mar 22 14:54:28 2007 From: martin.sourada at seznam.cz (Martin Sourada) Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2007 15:54:28 +0100 Subject: Echo Cursors - naming spec, description, license, etc. In-Reply-To: <460283F3.7090302@seznam.cz> References: <460278E7.8060902@seznam.cz> <46027E6A.2070806@nicubunu.ro> <460283F3.7090302@seznam.cz> Message-ID: <460298A4.8000608@seznam.cz> Martin Sourada napsal(a): > Well, the list is an early draft, and maybe it is incomplete/incorrect. I > consider it as a source for the table that needs to be done, as well as the > draft cursor-specs from freedesktop.org. Thanks for the suggestion about MIME > type. Fixed [1]. > ... > Thanks, > Martin > > References > [1] > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/EchoCursors?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=bluecurve-list.txt > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list Hi again, thanks to ComixCursors theme (licensed GPL) [1] I made a more complex list of cursors [2]. There are cursors from freedesktop.org cursor-spec [3] joined with appropriate KDE/QT hashes and X11/GNOME/GTK cursors. At the bottom I listed cursors that I wasn't able to connect with the ones from freedesktop.org but are present in Bluecurve theme. If you find any further connections, not listed cursors or mistakes feel free to edit the list, but currently I prefer making a new wiki page with a table based on the list, where we would do all the changes, decide the default names of the cursors, list needed symlinks and add description to all single cursor (if there are more names for one cursor image) - and thus allowing us to create a gallery page (where each cursor will have only its default name). What do you think? Thanks, Martin References/Links: [1] http://www.gnome-look.org/content/show.php/ComixCursors?content=32627 [2] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/EchoCursors?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=cursor-list.txt [3] http://freedesktop.org/wiki/Standards_2fcursor_2dspec [4] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/EchoCursors -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Sometimes with graphics like these that are always visible on > the desktop, it's hard to tell without *using* them how well they work. > Does it sound like a good idea that we can try some of the new cursors > to see how they feel? That's very true. I find working on paper first gives a bit of breathing space for when it comes to making them digitally. It's about getting the balence right which isn't helped by having a white piece of paper and a bluey/grey/black/white/nearly-everything desktop! > I think for us to test the echo cursors we would have to build them with > a tool called xcursorgen: > > http://www.xfree86.org/current/xcursorgen.1.html Might have a play with that sometime, thanks for the info. ./b -- ..// seawolf //.. Ben Arnold e-mail / msn / icq / yahoo iamseawolf (at) gmail (dot) com http://clik.to/seawolfsanctuary fedora core : artwork GnuPG Available - ask me! From martin.sourada at seznam.cz Thu Mar 22 19:55:00 2007 From: martin.sourada at seznam.cz (Martin Sourada) Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2007 20:55:00 +0100 Subject: Echo Cursors - naming spec, description, license, etc. In-Reply-To: <460298A4.8000608@seznam.cz> References: <460278E7.8060902@seznam.cz> <46027E6A.2070806@nicubunu.ro> <460283F3.7090302@seznam.cz> <460298A4.8000608@seznam.cz> Message-ID: <4602DF14.4050606@seznam.cz> Hi, I created new wiki page for the naming spec issue and cursor description[1]. Please check it out and help to improve and finish it. About license: you wrote that Bluecurve is licensed under GPL. I didn't know it. Maybe it would be the best. Yet I'll list here some alternatives: 1. cc-by-sa [2] - used by Echo icons, primarily artistic license, probably could not be used for other stuff than art 2. GPL [3] - used by Bluecurve, primarily developers license, but probably usable for art as well. 3. LGPL [4] - that would allow commercial derivates 4. cc-by-sa for art, GPL for other stuff - dunno if that is possible 5. Public Domain [5] - that's rather no license at all, I think 6. Free Art license [6] - recommended by FSF over cc-*, probably usable only for art 7. some other open license 8. some dual licensing Thanks, Martin References: [1] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/EchoCursors/NamingSpec [2] http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/3.0/ [3] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GPL [4] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GNU_Lesser_General_Public_License [5] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_domain [6] http://artlibre.org/licence/lal/en/ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Cheers, Andy From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Fri Mar 23 07:08:26 2007 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2007 09:08:26 +0200 Subject: Echo Cursors - naming spec, description, license, etc. In-Reply-To: <4602DF14.4050606@seznam.cz> References: <460278E7.8060902@seznam.cz> <46027E6A.2070806@nicubunu.ro> <460283F3.7090302@seznam.cz> <460298A4.8000608@seznam.cz> <4602DF14.4050606@seznam.cz> Message-ID: <46037CEA.60808@nicubunu.ro> Martin Sourada wrote: > > Maybe it would be the best. Yet I'll list here some alternatives: > > 2. GPL [3] - used by Bluecurve, primarily developers license, but probably > usable for art as well. > 3. LGPL [4] - that would allow commercial derivates GPL also allow commercial derivatives (all the options allow commercial derivatives), RHEL for example is a commercial derivative, it does not allow *proprietary* derivatives. You know, is not about the money but about the freedom. PS: and even LGPL does not allow proprietary derivatives, it allow to be used in proprietary products. PPS: cc-by-sa is somewhat alike to GPL in not allowing proprietary derivatives. -- nicu Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From martin.sourada at seznam.cz Fri Mar 23 08:46:42 2007 From: martin.sourada at seznam.cz (Martin Sourada) Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2007 09:46:42 +0100 Subject: Echo Cursors - naming spec, description, license, etc. In-Reply-To: <46037CEA.60808@nicubunu.ro> References: <460278E7.8060902@seznam.cz> <46027E6A.2070806@nicubunu.ro> <460283F3.7090302@seznam.cz> <460298A4.8000608@seznam.cz> <4602DF14.4050606@seznam.cz> <46037CEA.60808@nicubunu.ro> Message-ID: <460393F2.7050609@seznam.cz> Nicu Buculei napsal(a): > Martin Sourada wrote: >> >> Maybe it would be the best. Yet I'll list here some alternatives: >> >> 2. GPL [3] - used by Bluecurve, primarily developers license, but >> probably >> usable for art as well. >> 3. LGPL [4] - that would allow commercial derivates > > GPL also allow commercial derivatives (all the options allow commercial > derivatives), RHEL for example is a commercial derivative, it does not > allow *proprietary* derivatives. > You know, is not about the money but about the freedom. > > PS: and even LGPL does not allow proprietary derivatives, it allow to be > used in proprietary products. > > PPS: cc-by-sa is somewhat alike to GPL in not allowing proprietary > derivatives. > Thanks for the clarifying. Any idea which one(s) of those would fit a cursor theme best? Thanks, Martin -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Why balloons? :( In any artwork project it is assumed the end product will not be desired by all. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/GoalsObjectives Look at Goal #1 *Enable users of Fedora to enhance its visual appearance to meet their need or desire.* > I absolutely LOVED the DNA theme in FC6, and now we are going to some > silly > hot air balloon? That is a little too cutesy for such a serious Linux > distro as Fedora. How does FC7 with a FC6 theme sound? Time permitting there should be a variety of "how-to's" on the wiki by FC7 launch describing in detail how to modify the appearance of fedora to your liking. Cheers, John -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From martin.sourada at seznam.cz Fri Mar 23 19:04:34 2007 From: martin.sourada at seznam.cz (Martin Sourada) Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2007 20:04:34 +0100 Subject: Echo Cursors - naming spec, description, license, etc. In-Reply-To: <4602DF14.4050606@seznam.cz> References: <460278E7.8060902@seznam.cz> <46027E6A.2070806@nicubunu.ro> <460283F3.7090302@seznam.cz> <460298A4.8000608@seznam.cz> <4602DF14.4050606@seznam.cz> Message-ID: <460424C2.1050900@seznam.cz> Hi again, I sorted most of the cursors, created their default names and linked them with names and hashes already used [1]. As I have never done cursor theme before there can be a lot of mistakes so if there is/are one(s) able to check it, please do it. Also, if you feel, one of the (un)sorted and (un)named cursor is not needed move it to section Deprecated. Next, if you feel one of the unsorted cursor should be included, make it's default name and include it in the table. If you do not know it's description add "??" into description column. The table should be sorted alphabetically. Finally, there are currently many cursors without description. Please, if you think you could make a description where is needed, do it. I have found a xcursor-themes which includes only XOrg cursors and has source available [2]. It could help with describing IMO. And of course, any feedback either on the wiki or here is greatly appreciated. Thanks, Martin PS: I tried xcursorgen and currently use dark left-handed arrow I created for default cursor. So far it seems it is usable. References: [1] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/EchoCursors/NamingSpec [2] http://xorg.freedesktop.org/releases/X11R7.2/src/data/xcursor-themes-X11R7.0-1.0.1.tar.bz2 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Can you post the cursor to the wiki page so other folks can try it too? :) ~m From duffy at redhat.com Fri Mar 23 19:17:25 2007 From: duffy at redhat.com (=?UTF-8?B?TcOhaXLDrW4gRHVmZnk=?=) Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2007 15:17:25 -0400 Subject: Echo Cursors - naming spec, description, license, etc. In-Reply-To: <460426F9.7090206@redhat.com> References: <460278E7.8060902@seznam.cz> <46027E6A.2070806@nicubunu.ro> <460283F3.7090302@seznam.cz> <460298A4.8000608@seznam.cz> <4602DF14.4050606@seznam.cz> <460424C2.1050900@seznam.cz> <460426F9.7090206@redhat.com> Message-ID: <460427C5.3090803@redhat.com> M?ir?n Duffy wrote: > Hi Martin, > > Martin Sourada wrote: >> PS: I tried xcursorgen and currently use dark left-handed arrow I >> created for >> default cursor. So far it seems it is usable. > > Can you post the cursor to the wiki page so other folks can try it too? :) ps I'm excited to try it :) ~m From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Fri Mar 23 19:37:13 2007 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2007 01:07:13 +0530 Subject: Echo Cursors - naming spec, description, license, etc. In-Reply-To: <460393F2.7050609@seznam.cz> References: <460278E7.8060902@seznam.cz> <46027E6A.2070806@nicubunu.ro> <460283F3.7090302@seznam.cz> <460298A4.8000608@seznam.cz> <4602DF14.4050606@seznam.cz> <46037CEA.60808@nicubunu.ro> <460393F2.7050609@seznam.cz> Message-ID: <46042C69.6050504@fedoraproject.org> Martin Sourada wrote: > Nicu Buculei napsal(a): >> Martin Sourada wrote: >>> Maybe it would be the best. Yet I'll list here some alternatives: >>> >>> 2. GPL [3] - used by Bluecurve, primarily developers license, but >>> probably >>> usable for art as well. >>> 3. LGPL [4] - that would allow commercial derivates >> GPL also allow commercial derivatives (all the options allow commercial >> derivatives), RHEL for example is a commercial derivative, it does not >> allow *proprietary* derivatives. >> You know, is not about the money but about the freedom. >> >> PS: and even LGPL does not allow proprietary derivatives, it allow to be >> used in proprietary products. >> >> PPS: cc-by-sa is somewhat alike to GPL in not allowing proprietary >> derivatives. >> > > Thanks for the clarifying. Any idea which one(s) of those would fit a cursor > theme best? GPL seems to be the popular choice. Note that the since every contributor involved has to sign the Fedora CLA we can relicense it without tracking down every contributor individually if there is a dire need later. Rahul From martin.sourada at seznam.cz Fri Mar 23 22:18:10 2007 From: martin.sourada at seznam.cz (Martin Sourada) Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2007 23:18:10 +0100 Subject: Echo Cursors - naming spec, description, license, etc. In-Reply-To: <460426F9.7090206@redhat.com> References: <460278E7.8060902@seznam.cz> <46027E6A.2070806@nicubunu.ro> <460283F3.7090302@seznam.cz> <460298A4.8000608@seznam.cz> <4602DF14.4050606@seznam.cz> <460424C2.1050900@seznam.cz> <460426F9.7090206@redhat.com> Message-ID: <46045222.2040000@seznam.cz> M?ir?n Duffy napsal(a): > Hi Martin, > > Martin Sourada wrote: >> PS: I tried xcursorgen and currently use dark left-handed arrow I >> created for >> default cursor. So far it seems it is usable. > > Can you post the cursor to the wiki page so other folks can try it too? :) > > ~m > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list > Done [1]. If you'd (all) like one of the other versions I can make them too, but as they are basically very similar I thought for testing purposes one is enough. Also if you (all) make them work other way than is described on the wiki page [2], feel free to edit it. And, of course, any comments are welcome. Thanks, Martin References: [1] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/EchoCursors?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=arrow [2] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/EchoCursors -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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For 16x16 version I would pick a (better distinguishable) or d (better follows elements positioning from bigger sizes). As for gnome-settings - are there any comments? Unless I will consider it done as well. All mockups are on my wiki page [1]. Thanks, Martin References [1] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/MartinSourada -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 249 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From martin.sourada at seznam.cz Fri Mar 23 23:08:28 2007 From: martin.sourada at seznam.cz (Martin Sourada) Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2007 00:08:28 +0100 Subject: Echo icon set: help-* icons muckups In-Reply-To: <45FD12D8.9050601@seznam.cz> References: <1174170830.45fc6cceabbc4@ssl.mecca.ca> <45FC6EBF.7070100@seznam.cz> <45FD12D8.9050601@seznam.cz> Message-ID: <46045DEC.60802@seznam.cz> Hi, any further comments on these icons? Unless I could upload them to wiki [1]. The current versions are on my wiki [2]. Thanks, Martin References: [1] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/EchoDevelopment [2] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/MartinSourada -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 249 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From luya_tfz at thefinalzone.com Sun Mar 25 10:41:43 2007 From: luya_tfz at thefinalzone.com (Luya Tshimbalanga) Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2007 03:41:43 -0700 Subject: Echo icon set: help-* icons muckups In-Reply-To: <46045DEC.60802@seznam.cz> References: <1174170830.45fc6cceabbc4@ssl.mecca.ca> <45FC6EBF.7070100@seznam.cz> <45FD12D8.9050601@seznam.cz> <46045DEC.60802@seznam.cz> Message-ID: <460651E7.50001@thefinalzone.com> Martin Sourada wrote: > Hi, > > any further comments on these icons? Unless I could upload them to wiki [1]. The > current versions are on my wiki [2]. > > Feel free to upload them on the wiki. They looks very good. Regards, Luya From ben.arnold.inbox at gmail.com Sun Mar 25 11:22:14 2007 From: ben.arnold.inbox at gmail.com (Ben Arnold) Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2007 12:22:14 +0100 Subject: Echo icon set: preferences-system mockups In-Reply-To: <46045CFD.2010905@seznam.cz> References: <45FD3220.7050005@seznam.cz> <1174224085.19932.26.camel@rousalka.dyndns.org> <45FD4178.4070809@seznam.cz> <1174230376.19932.31.camel@rousalka.dyndns.org> <45FD80E0.1040807@seznam.cz> <31800.192.54.193.51.1174299260.squirrel@rousalka.dyndns.org> <9c3bfa1d0703190423g108a2612vc070cbd3aed30dfc@mail.gmail.com> <45FE8E67.9070406@seznam.cz> <6e24a8e80703210534y47842dbesccca216c34c4342b@mail.gmail.com> <46045CFD.2010905@seznam.cz> Message-ID: <9c3bfa1d0703250422kb770900ic5e3e0c410ff464b@mail.gmail.com> On 24/03/07, Martin Sourada wrote: > if everyone agree I will consider preferences-system / redhat-system_settings as > done. For 16x16 version I would pick a (better distinguishable) or d (better > follows elements positioning from bigger sizes). > As for gnome-settings - are > there any comments? Unless I will consider it done as well. All mockups are on > my wiki page [1]. I'd go for preferences-settings-16x16-d; the gnome-settings lokos great. Thanks :) ./b -- ..// seawolf //.. Ben Arnold e-mail / msn / icq / yahoo iamseawolf (at) gmail (dot) com http://clik.to/seawolfsanctuary fedora core : artwork GnuPG Available - ask me! From markg85 at gmail.com Sun Mar 25 21:40:32 2007 From: markg85 at gmail.com (Mark) Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2007 23:40:32 +0200 Subject: How is the Echo Icon development going on? Message-ID: <6e24a8e80703251440r1dfcdf70ve3a037f9a8e463c5@mail.gmail.com> Hey, i`m currently using Fedora Rawhile with the latest packages, but not all icons are updated yet (like the internet and mail icon... just to name the few you see as soon as gnome is started). so i`m wondering.. will the echo icon theme make it for Fedora Core 7 final? i wish i could halp with the icons, but i`m not that good in making icons/logo`s. so.. hows the progress? Thanx. Mark. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From sdl.web at gmail.com Sun Mar 25 22:06:32 2007 From: sdl.web at gmail.com (Leo) Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2007 23:06:32 +0100 Subject: How is the Echo Icon development going on? References: <6e24a8e80703251440r1dfcdf70ve3a037f9a8e463c5@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On 2007-03-25, Mark said: > so i`m wondering.. will the echo icon theme make it for Fedora Core > 7 final? i wish i could halp with the icons, but i`m not that good > in making icons/logo`s. That's the plan. The development can catch up since the release date is still far away. -- Leo (GPG Key: 9283AA3F) From ml at deadbabylon.de Sun Mar 25 22:52:48 2007 From: ml at deadbabylon.de (Sebastian Vahl) Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2007 00:52:48 +0200 Subject: FlyingHigh for ksplash-engine-moodin Message-ID: <200703260053.04465.ml@deadbabylon.de> Hi. I've made three splashs for ksplash-engine-moodin. I'am not an artist so some thinks could be done better. If someone would enhance this ones, feel free to pick them up. :) For the ones with icons: I've tried to use the same icons like in normal echo splash. But I haven't found the fifth one in the wiki. The last one is the normal fedora logo from /usr/share/icons/hicolor/48x48/apps/fedora-logo-icon.png. 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The development can catch up since the release date > is still far away. > > -- > Leo (GPG Key: 9283AA3F) > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Wrong url (thx to klipper): > > http://www.deadbabylon.de/blog/2007/03/20/ksplash-moodin-flying-high-with-fedora/ > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Sun Mar 25 23:39:53 2007 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2007 05:09:53 +0530 Subject: How is the Echo Icon development going on? In-Reply-To: <6e24a8e80703251631t30884eb3h1d04aa09a964eedf@mail.gmail.com> References: <6e24a8e80703251440r1dfcdf70ve3a037f9a8e463c5@mail.gmail.com> <6e24a8e80703251631t30884eb3h1d04aa09a964eedf@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <46070849.1020306@fedoraproject.org> Mark wrote: > yea still far away, but that time is over faster than you realize ;) > will fedora be delayed when the echo theme isn`t finished? or will > fedora in that case ship with the fc6 theme and have a full eche theme > for FC8? Echo is not a release blocker. Release blockers are described in http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/7. If the theme isnt in a suitable state for default you will get in the next release. Rahul From ml at deadbabylon.de Sun Mar 25 23:55:10 2007 From: ml at deadbabylon.de (Sebastian Vahl) Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2007 01:55:10 +0200 Subject: FlyingHigh for ksplash-engine-moodin In-Reply-To: <6e24a8e80703251635t1dc38b76w7e2bad6740854f43@mail.gmail.com> References: <200703260053.04465.ml@deadbabylon.de> <200703260056.54745.ml@deadbabylon.de> <6e24a8e80703251635t1dc38b76w7e2bad6740854f43@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20070326015510.30d89846@localhost.localdomain> Am Mon, 26 Mar 2007 01:35:11 +0200 schrieb Mark : > you could just use the gnome splash in moodin ;) > might need a little tweaking/adjusting but it`s possible that way the > splashes for KDE and GNOME are the same which would be best i think. But that is not a fullscreen splash. ;) Sebastian -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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So I came up with a Fedora theme for it (I started with cornicen from the moin ThemeMarket [1] as a base): http://wiki.linuxgrrl.com/ The mockups I started out with and the theme files are here: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Infrastructure/LookAndFeel/WikiNotes Also note that a lot of mockups have been put together for the wiki over time; ideas from all of them are in what I came up with: From Matt Munoz: - http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/WikiElements?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=fpo-design-front.png - http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/WikiElements?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=fpo-design-interior.png From Jeremy: - https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-websites-list/2006-December/jpgpTWnCKjSjA.jpg I really like the basic layout of Jeremy's mockup, and I think something like the large, dark center banner is something we could use on a non-wiki front page. It reminds me a lot of the www.gnome.org banner space, which has been helpful for advertising events and releases for GNOME. Although I am not 100% happy with the look (needs more cowbell/bling!), I do think the theme addresses some of my long time usability nags with our current theme (the placement of the account preferences always bugged me, for example). I was also looking to come up with a style that would fit in nicely on another CMS, so maybe we could use the wiki for being a wiki and have a CMS that is managed more carefully for non-contributors looking to learn more about Fedora - see the navbar in the mocks? (not in the theme yet) I figured I would send this out so more people knew about it (folks have been helping me out with it this weekend in #fedora-admin). If anybody has ideas on how to improve it (especially bling-wise :) ) let's discuss it! ~m [1] http://moinmoin.wikiwikiweb.de/ThemeMarket#head-755c39b282cccb4c5bf9fad229c68825cc5ef3df From luya_tfz at thefinalzone.com Mon Mar 26 09:08:04 2007 From: luya_tfz at thefinalzone.com (Luya Tshimbalanga) Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2007 05:08:04 -0400 Subject: How is the Echo Icon development going on? In-Reply-To: <6e24a8e80703251440r1dfcdf70ve3a037f9a8e463c5@mail.gmail.com> References: <6e24a8e80703251440r1dfcdf70ve3a037f9a8e463c5@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1174900084.46078d74c3acd@ssl.mecca.ca> Quoting Mark : > so i`m wondering.. will the echo icon theme make it for Fedora Core 7 final? > i wish i could halp with the icons, but i`m not that good in making > icons/logo`s. > > so.. hows the progress? > > Thanx. > Mark. > As pointed out, final release will be on May. I have set a wiki page of todo list for the main icons. I am currently working on both shutdown and bluetooth icons. preference-theme icons turned out to be challenging as I attempt to work on mark representing different culture as suggested. Thanks to both Martin Sourada and seawolf efforts, it appears echo will be ready for Fedora 7. -- Luya Tshimbalanga Fedora Project contributor http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/LuyaTshimbalanga From ben.arnold.inbox at gmail.com Mon Mar 26 11:39:24 2007 From: ben.arnold.inbox at gmail.com (Ben Arnold) Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2007 12:39:24 +0100 Subject: How is the Echo Icon development going on? In-Reply-To: <1174900084.46078d74c3acd@ssl.mecca.ca> References: <6e24a8e80703251440r1dfcdf70ve3a037f9a8e463c5@mail.gmail.com> <1174900084.46078d74c3acd@ssl.mecca.ca> Message-ID: <9c3bfa1d0703260439o6d748827vf462f3f1efa50432@mail.gmail.com> I think there is a basic set of icons that are more important than others. This means that the whole set does not necessarily need to be finished in order for it to be default. On 25/03/07, Mark wrote: > i wish i could halp with the icons, but i`m not that good in making > icons/logo`s. One thing you could do if you're not that great is scale down anny icons that are (at the moment) the largest size. The 16 and 24 sizes are very important and there's already an icon there to use! I've found it doesn't take that long to do, either, just remember to make it clear and recognisable at the smaller sizes. On 26/03/07, Luya Tshimbalanga wrote: > Thanks to both Martin Sourada and seawolf efforts, it appears echo will be ready > for Fedora 7. We've got a good team of people working on it now; we live in hope :) ./b -- ..// seawolf //.. Ben Arnold e-mail / msn / icq / yahoo iamseawolf (at) gmail (dot) com http://clik.to/seawolfsanctuary fedora core : artwork GnuPG Available - ask me! From duffy at redhat.com Mon Mar 26 14:08:00 2007 From: duffy at redhat.com (=?UTF-8?B?TcOhaXLDrcKtbiBEdWZmeQ==?=) Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2007 10:08:00 -0400 Subject: How is the Echo Icon development going on? In-Reply-To: <9c3bfa1d0703260439o6d748827vf462f3f1efa50432@mail.gmail.com> References: <6e24a8e80703251440r1dfcdf70ve3a037f9a8e463c5@mail.gmail.com> <1174900084.46078d74c3acd@ssl.mecca.ca> <9c3bfa1d0703260439o6d748827vf462f3f1efa50432@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4607D3C0.70702@redhat.com> Ben Arnold wrote: > One thing you could do if you're not that great is scale down anny > icons that are (at the moment) the largest size. The 16 and 24 sizes > are very important and there's already an icon there to use! I've > found it doesn't take that long to do, either, just remember to make > it clear and recognisable at the smaller sizes. Yeh, it seems like this is a big problem for the smaller-sized Echo icons. I recommend everyone working on Echo read this: http://www.firewheeldesign.com/sparkplug/2006/April/icon_design_bitmap_vs_vector.php While the article shows the problems of scaling up from a small vector icon, the issue a lot of the Echo icons haxve is that they are scaled down from a large vector icon, without alignment to the pixel grid so the details come out muddy. This talks a little bit about the pixel grid if you are curious: http://mezzoblue.com/archives/2007/02/21/icon_design/ I also recommend if you want fuller coverage for Fedora 7, work on the smaller icons first, then the large sizes. The larger size icons are far less likely to ever appear anywhere in the desktop, but the smaller sizes are much more likely to appear thus if they are not finished they will make the set look more incomplete. ~m From markg85 at gmail.com Mon Mar 26 15:28:40 2007 From: markg85 at gmail.com (Mark) Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2007 17:28:40 +0200 Subject: How is the Echo Icon development going on? In-Reply-To: <4607D3C0.70702@redhat.com> References: <6e24a8e80703251440r1dfcdf70ve3a037f9a8e463c5@mail.gmail.com> <1174900084.46078d74c3acd@ssl.mecca.ca> <9c3bfa1d0703260439o6d748827vf462f3f1efa50432@mail.gmail.com> <4607D3C0.70702@redhat.com> Message-ID: <6e24a8e80703260828h2ae818aag86237e8842936b4f@mail.gmail.com> interesting articles. 2007/3/26, M?ir??n Duffy : > > Ben Arnold wrote: > > One thing you could do if you're not that great is scale down anny > > icons that are (at the moment) the largest size. The 16 and 24 sizes > > are very important and there's already an icon there to use! I've > > found it doesn't take that long to do, either, just remember to make > > it clear and recognisable at the smaller sizes. > > Yeh, it seems like this is a big problem for the smaller-sized Echo icons. > > I recommend everyone working on Echo read this: > > > http://www.firewheeldesign.com/sparkplug/2006/April/icon_design_bitmap_vs_vector.php > > While the article shows the problems of scaling up from a small vector > icon, the issue a lot of the Echo icons haxve is that they are scaled > down from a large vector icon, without alignment to the pixel grid so > the details come out muddy. This talks a little bit about the pixel grid > if you are curious: > > http://mezzoblue.com/archives/2007/02/21/icon_design/ > > I also recommend if you want fuller coverage for Fedora 7, work on the > smaller icons first, then the large sizes. The larger size icons are far > less likely to ever appear anywhere in the desktop, but the smaller > sizes are much more likely to appear thus if they are not finished they > will make the set look more incomplete. > > ~m > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I didn't know that was made before Fedora Core 5 release. Too bad it didn't make it. The side bar navigation is very interesting. > From Jeremy: > - > https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-websites-list/2006-December/jpgpTWnCKjSjA.jpg > > > I really like the basic layout of Jeremy's mockup, and I think > something like the large, dark center banner is something we could use > on a non-wiki front page. It reminds me a lot of the www.gnome.org > banner space, which has been helpful for advertising events and > releases for GNOME. Yeah, very simple and elegant. From luya at fedoraproject.org Mon Mar 26 18:50:22 2007 From: luya at fedoraproject.org (Luya Tshimbalanga) Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2007 11:50:22 -0700 Subject: How is the Echo Icon development going on? In-Reply-To: <4607D3C0.70702@redhat.com> References: <6e24a8e80703251440r1dfcdf70ve3a037f9a8e463c5@mail.gmail.com> <1174900084.46078d74c3acd@ssl.mecca.ca> <9c3bfa1d0703260439o6d748827vf462f3f1efa50432@mail.gmail.com> <4607D3C0.70702@redhat.com> Message-ID: <460815EE.1060206@fedoraproject.org> M?ir??n Duffy wrote: > > Yeh, it seems like this is a big problem for the smaller-sized Echo > icons. > > I recommend everyone working on Echo read this: > > http://www.firewheeldesign.com/sparkplug/2006/April/icon_design_bitmap_vs_vector.php > > > http://mezzoblue.com/archives/2007/02/21/icon_design/ > t > Would you mind to post these links on the wiki, please? From duffy at redhat.com Mon Mar 26 19:06:12 2007 From: duffy at redhat.com (=?UTF-8?B?TcOhaXLDrcKtbiBEdWZmeQ==?=) Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2007 15:06:12 -0400 Subject: How is the Echo Icon development going on? In-Reply-To: <460815EE.1060206@fedoraproject.org> References: <6e24a8e80703251440r1dfcdf70ve3a037f9a8e463c5@mail.gmail.com> <1174900084.46078d74c3acd@ssl.mecca.ca> <9c3bfa1d0703260439o6d748827vf462f3f1efa50432@mail.gmail.com> <4607D3C0.70702@redhat.com> <460815EE.1060206@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <460819A4.6090304@redhat.com> Luya Tshimbalanga wrote: > M?ir??n Duffy wrote: >> Yeh, it seems like this is a big problem for the smaller-sized Echo >> icons. >> >> I recommend everyone working on Echo read this: >> >> http://www.firewheeldesign.com/sparkplug/2006/April/icon_design_bitmap_vs_vector.php >> >> >> http://mezzoblue.com/archives/2007/02/21/icon_design/ >> t >> > Would you mind to post these links on the wiki, please? I'm not really sure the best place to put them, I am not involved in Echo development, so if you like them maybe put them where you think they might belong. ~m From baerjj at gmail.com Tue Mar 27 01:41:51 2007 From: baerjj at gmail.com (John Baer) Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2007 21:41:51 -0400 Subject: Fedora-art-list Digest, Vol 12, Issue 61 In-Reply-To: <20070326160005.1373E73272@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20070326160005.1373E73272@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1174959711.8150.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> Mo wrote: > Hey everybody, > > I've been interested in playing around with moin for a good while and > I > finally got around to getting my own server up again so I had the > space > and ability to set up my own install to poke around in. So I came up > with a Fedora theme for it (I started with cornicen from the moin > ThemeMarket [1] as a base): +1 Your mockups are awesome. Is this packaged for installation? :) John From luya_tfz at thefinalzone.com Tue Mar 27 03:22:00 2007 From: luya_tfz at thefinalzone.com (Luya Tshimbalanga) Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2007 20:22:00 -0700 Subject: Shutdown button draft for echo-icon-theme Message-ID: <46088DD8.2050003@thefinalzone.com> Resuming echo work, here is a draft for a shutdown button. I have tweaked the 16x16 icon using Gimp to display the glowing effect. Sincerely, Luya -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: shutdown24.png Type: image/png Size: 1762 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From markg85 at gmail.com Tue Mar 27 09:20:25 2007 From: markg85 at gmail.com (Mark) Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2007 11:20:25 +0200 Subject: Bluetooth icons for echo: preference and share file In-Reply-To: <4608CC4C.8010902@thefinalzone.com> References: <4608CC4C.8010902@thefinalzone.com> Message-ID: <6e24a8e80703270220we9598c2j3233dcb7b5a01034@mail.gmail.com> nicely done :) but this version: *preferences-desktop-bluetoothS.png *can`t really be reconized as bluetooth.. perhaps is you leave oout or decrease the intensity of the white glow? 2007/3/27, Luya Tshimbalanga : > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Following Mairin's advice of starting icons from smaller, here is the > latest Bluetooth icons for echo-icon-theme. The preference icon is > based from the Bluecurve model with some translucency effect and the > shared icons is more vibrant as the color are from echo icon > guideline. 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From duffy at redhat.com Tue Mar 27 14:16:58 2007 From: duffy at redhat.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?M=E1ir=EDn_Duffy?=) Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2007 10:16:58 -0400 Subject: Fedora-art-list Digest, Vol 12, Issue 61 In-Reply-To: <1174959711.8150.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <20070326160005.1373E73272@hormel.redhat.com> <1174959711.8150.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <4609275A.1020204@redhat.com> John Baer wrote: > Mo wrote: >> Hey everybody, >> >> I've been interested in playing around with moin for a good while and >> I >> finally got around to getting my own server up again so I had the >> space >> and ability to set up my own install to poke around in. So I came up >> with a Fedora theme for it (I started with cornicen from the moin >> ThemeMarket [1] as a base): > > +1 > > Your mockups are awesome. Is this packaged for installation? Thanks! Yes, see the wiki page, there is a tar.gz - http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Infrastructure/LookAndFeel/WikiNotes ~m From luya_tfz at thefinalzone.com Tue Mar 27 17:07:15 2007 From: luya_tfz at thefinalzone.com (Luya Tshimbalanga) Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2007 10:07:15 -0700 Subject: Shutdown button draft for echo-icon-theme In-Reply-To: <6e24a8e80703270218q2fe7a677pb912d839d2df85d4@mail.gmail.com> References: <46088DD8.2050003@thefinalzone.com> <6e24a8e80703270218q2fe7a677pb912d839d2df85d4@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <46094F43.6060902@thefinalzone.com> Mark wrote: > i would use red for shutdown and blue for standby. > Here is a different models of shutdown and standby icons Luya -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: shutdown24-1.png Type: image/png Size: 1689 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Also I am looking forward for the large size version, since this is one of the icons which I use in large size (though most people don't I guess)... :) Luya Tshimbalanga napsal(a): > Mark wrote: >> i would use red for shutdown and blue for standby. >> > > Here is a different models of shutdown and standby icons > > > Luya > > > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Maybe you could try changing only the disc > colour to red? IMO the blue for the button is nicest. > Done. I have retained the original blue. > And one other feedback: they don't look smooth on LCD. Perhaps more antialiasing > would help. I did it with help-faq icons this way: I generated 2x bigger png > than final size, added 1 px gaussian blur in gimp and resized it to desired > size, but the amount of size changes and applied effect may differ from icon to > icon. > I have changed the glowing size only using Inkscape on this modification without using Gimp. As the result, the glowing effect is smooth on small size. Speaking about standby, here is the images using yellow glowing. I think the green glowing is useful for rebooting the system. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: shutdown24-4.png Type: image/png Size: 1804 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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In-Reply-To: <460819A4.6090304@redhat.com> References: <6e24a8e80703251440r1dfcdf70ve3a037f9a8e463c5@mail.gmail.com> <1174900084.46078d74c3acd@ssl.mecca.ca> <9c3bfa1d0703260439o6d748827vf462f3f1efa50432@mail.gmail.com> <4607D3C0.70702@redhat.com> <460815EE.1060206@fedoraproject.org> <460819A4.6090304@redhat.com> Message-ID: <460A2293.1060903@thefinalzone.com> M?ir??n Duffy wrote: > > I'm not really sure the best place to put them, I am not involved in > Echo development, so if you like them maybe put them where you think > they might belong. > > ~m > Done. See http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/EchoIconGuidelines From nicolas.mailhot at laposte.net Wed Mar 28 09:30:14 2007 From: nicolas.mailhot at laposte.net (Nicolas Mailhot) Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2007 11:30:14 +0200 (CEST) Subject: Shutdown button draft for echo-icon-theme In-Reply-To: <4609541F.8030004@thefinalzone.com> References: <46088DD8.2050003@thefinalzone.com> <6e24a8e80703270218q2fe7a677pb912d839d2df85d4@mail.gmail.com> <46094F43.6060902@thefinalzone.com> <1175015614.19697.1.camel@rousalka.dyndns.org> <4609541F.8030004@thefinalzone.com> Message-ID: <24621.192.54.193.51.1175074214.squirrel@rousalka.dyndns.org> Le Mar 27 mars 2007 19:27, Luya Tshimbalanga a ?crit : > Nicolas Mailhot wrote: >> >> >> IMHO the 3d disc just makes the symbol hard to distinguish. Why can't >> you just work from a naked (I) symbol ? >> > > Like this? Actually I find the whole disk thing distracting, even though this variant is a little better -- Nicolas Mailhot From markg85 at gmail.com Wed Mar 28 14:07:15 2007 From: markg85 at gmail.com (Mark) Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2007 16:07:15 +0200 Subject: Shutdown button draft for echo-icon-theme In-Reply-To: <24621.192.54.193.51.1175074214.squirrel@rousalka.dyndns.org> References: <46088DD8.2050003@thefinalzone.com> <6e24a8e80703270218q2fe7a677pb912d839d2df85d4@mail.gmail.com> <46094F43.6060902@thefinalzone.com> <1175015614.19697.1.camel@rousalka.dyndns.org> <4609541F.8030004@thefinalzone.com> <24621.192.54.193.51.1175074214.squirrel@rousalka.dyndns.org> Message-ID: <6e24a8e80703280707j2f1ec8b3rbe1c6092463b18f3@mail.gmail.com> sorry, i still don`t really like it. it just doesn`t fit 2007/3/28, Nicolas Mailhot : > > > Le Mar 27 mars 2007 19:27, Luya Tshimbalanga a ?crit : > > Nicolas Mailhot wrote: > >> > >> > >> IMHO the 3d disc just makes the symbol hard to distinguish. 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URL: From ben.arnold.inbox at gmail.com Wed Mar 28 14:34:00 2007 From: ben.arnold.inbox at gmail.com (Ben Arnold) Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2007 15:34:00 +0100 Subject: Shutdown button draft for echo-icon-theme In-Reply-To: <6e24a8e80703280707j2f1ec8b3rbe1c6092463b18f3@mail.gmail.com> References: <46088DD8.2050003@thefinalzone.com> <6e24a8e80703270218q2fe7a677pb912d839d2df85d4@mail.gmail.com> <46094F43.6060902@thefinalzone.com> <1175015614.19697.1.camel@rousalka.dyndns.org> <4609541F.8030004@thefinalzone.com> <24621.192.54.193.51.1175074214.squirrel@rousalka.dyndns.org> <6e24a8e80703280707j2f1ec8b3rbe1c6092463b18f3@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <9c3bfa1d0703280734q836cea3t62d83d5f6a09878b@mail.gmail.com> I eally prefer the shutdown24-3.png and standbyL-4.png, they both are a bit quieter than the blue/red combination and I can see them fitting into the GNOME panel and box more, along with the KDE panel. On 28/03/07, Mark wrote: > sorry, i still don`t really like it. > it just doesn`t fit > > 2007/3/28, Nicolas Mailhot : > > > > Le Mar 27 mars 2007 19:27, Luya Tshimbalanga a ?crit : > > > Nicolas Mailhot wrote: > > >> > > >> > > >> IMHO the 3d disc just makes the symbol hard to distinguish. Why can't > > >> you just work from a naked (I) symbol ? > > >> > > > > > > Like this? > > > > Actually I find the whole disk thing distracting, even though this variant > > is a little better > > > > -- > > Nicolas Mailhot > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Fedora-art-list mailing list > > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list > > -- ..// seawolf //.. Ben Arnold e-mail / msn / icq / yahoo iamseawolf (at) gmail (dot) com http://clik.to/seawolfsanctuary fedora core : artwork GnuPG Available - ask me! From martin.sourada at seznam.cz Wed Mar 28 14:56:44 2007 From: martin.sourada at seznam.cz (Martin Sourada) Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2007 16:56:44 +0200 Subject: echo-icon-theme: gnome-devel icon draft Message-ID: <460A822C.20202@seznam.cz> Hi, I made a gnome-devel icon draft. See attachments. It is also available (with SVG) on my personal wiki [1]. Atachments: 1. gnome-devel16.png 2. gnome-devel24.png 3. gnome-develL.png References: [1] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/MartinSourada -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: gnome-devel16.png Type: image/png Size: 877 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From markg85 at gmail.com Wed Mar 28 15:08:54 2007 From: markg85 at gmail.com (Mark) Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2007 17:08:54 +0200 Subject: Shutdown button draft for echo-icon-theme In-Reply-To: <9c3bfa1d0703280734q836cea3t62d83d5f6a09878b@mail.gmail.com> References: <46088DD8.2050003@thefinalzone.com> <6e24a8e80703270218q2fe7a677pb912d839d2df85d4@mail.gmail.com> <46094F43.6060902@thefinalzone.com> <1175015614.19697.1.camel@rousalka.dyndns.org> <4609541F.8030004@thefinalzone.com> <24621.192.54.193.51.1175074214.squirrel@rousalka.dyndns.org> <6e24a8e80703280707j2f1ec8b3rbe1c6092463b18f3@mail.gmail.com> <9c3bfa1d0703280734q836cea3t62d83d5f6a09878b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <6e24a8e80703280808i293ba028sf6e56a004f602089@mail.gmail.com> i made a shutdown image myselt. it`s not based on any standards and not a svg image. but than again.. i just made it so you have a iidea how i would like to see it. i`m not a icon developer nor am i good at photoshopping.. if you like it you can have the psd file and make a svg image of it :) here is the image: http://img116.imageshack.us/my.php?image=poweroffcopywh1.png the red glow (lower left corner) realy finishes it :) 2007/3/28, Ben Arnold : > > I eally prefer the shutdown24-3.png and standbyL-4.png, they both are > a bit quieter than the blue/red combination and I can see them fitting > into the GNOME panel and box more, along with the KDE panel. > > On 28/03/07, Mark wrote: > > sorry, i still don`t really like it. > > it just doesn`t fit > > > > 2007/3/28, Nicolas Mailhot : > > > > > > Le Mar 27 mars 2007 19:27, Luya Tshimbalanga a ?crit : > > > > Nicolas Mailhot wrote: > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> IMHO the 3d disc just makes the symbol hard to distinguish. Why > can't > > > >> you just work from a naked (I) symbol ? > > > >> > > > > > > > > Like this? > > > > > > Actually I find the whole disk thing distracting, even though this > variant > > > is a little better > > > > > > -- > > > Nicolas Mailhot > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Fedora-art-list mailing list > > > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > > > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Fedora-art-list mailing list > > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list > > > > > > > -- > ..// seawolf //.. > Ben Arnold > e-mail / msn / icq / yahoo > iamseawolf (at) gmail (dot) com > http://clik.to/seawolfsanctuary > > fedora core : artwork > GnuPG Available - ask me! > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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A metaphor that is re-used for widely different things is not a good metaphor. -- Nicolas Mailhot From markg85 at gmail.com Wed Mar 28 15:30:04 2007 From: markg85 at gmail.com (Mark) Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2007 17:30:04 +0200 Subject: echo-icon-theme: gnome-devel icon draft In-Reply-To: <460A88B9.7020906@seznam.cz> References: <460A822C.20202@seznam.cz> <6e24a8e80703280812x3b1ee531w224c2689f3b26dbc@mail.gmail.com> <460A88B9.7020906@seznam.cz> Message-ID: <6e24a8e80703280830x65c6a434w1543ad747af66ce5@mail.gmail.com> more brighter colors instead of a gray variation of it. 2007/3/28, Martin Sourada : > > Hm... they were supposed to be so... Anyway, what colour would you > suggest? > There is an orange-handled wrench, a blue-handed srewdriver, it is not an > easy > job to pick third colour for them... And the box is supposed to look > similar > to a pot from applications-office icon. > > Any further suggestions or comments appreciated :-) > > Thanks, > Martin > > Mark napsal(a): > > they are so..... gray.. > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Fedora-art-list mailing list > > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list > > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From markg85 at gmail.com Wed Mar 28 15:08:54 2007 From: markg85 at gmail.com (Mark) Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2007 17:08:54 +0200 Subject: Shutdown button draft for echo-icon-theme In-Reply-To: <9c3bfa1d0703280734q836cea3t62d83d5f6a09878b@mail.gmail.com> References: <46088DD8.2050003@thefinalzone.com> <6e24a8e80703270218q2fe7a677pb912d839d2df85d4@mail.gmail.com> <46094F43.6060902@thefinalzone.com> <1175015614.19697.1.camel@rousalka.dyndns.org> <4609541F.8030004@thefinalzone.com> <24621.192.54.193.51.1175074214.squirrel@rousalka.dyndns.org> <6e24a8e80703280707j2f1ec8b3rbe1c6092463b18f3@mail.gmail.com> <9c3bfa1d0703280734q836cea3t62d83d5f6a09878b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <6e24a8e80703280808i293ba028sf6e56a004f602089@mail.gmail.com> i made a shutdown image myselt. it`s not based on any standards and not a svg image. but than again.. i just made it so you have a iidea how i would like to see it. i`m not a icon developer nor am i good at photoshopping.. if you like it you can have the psd file and make a svg image of it :) here is the image: http://img116.imageshack.us/my.php?image=poweroffcopywh1.png the red glow (lower left corner) realy finishes it :) 2007/3/28, Ben Arnold : > > I eally prefer the shutdown24-3.png and standbyL-4.png, they both are > a bit quieter than the blue/red combination and I can see them fitting > into the GNOME panel and box more, along with the KDE panel. > > On 28/03/07, Mark wrote: > > sorry, i still don`t really like it. > > it just doesn`t fit > > > > 2007/3/28, Nicolas Mailhot : > > > > > > Le Mar 27 mars 2007 19:27, Luya Tshimbalanga a ?crit : > > > > Nicolas Mailhot wrote: > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> IMHO the 3d disc just makes the symbol hard to distinguish. Why > can't > > > >> you just work from a naked (I) symbol ? > > > >> > > > > > > > > Like this? > > > > > > Actually I find the whole disk thing distracting, even though this > variant > > > is a little better > > > > > > -- > > > Nicolas Mailhot > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Fedora-art-list mailing list > > > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > > > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Fedora-art-list mailing list > > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list > > > > > > > -- > ..// seawolf //.. > Ben Arnold > e-mail / msn / icq / yahoo > iamseawolf (at) gmail (dot) com > http://clik.to/seawolfsanctuary > > fedora core : artwork > GnuPG Available - ask me! > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mola.mp at gmail.com Wed Mar 28 16:25:16 2007 From: mola.mp at gmail.com (Mola Pahnadayan) Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2007 19:55:16 +0330 Subject: Echo background :) Message-ID: <460A96EC.4000301@gmail.com> Hi all http://www.deviantart.com/deviation/51887583/ From markg85 at gmail.com Wed Mar 28 16:51:00 2007 From: markg85 at gmail.com (Mark) Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2007 18:51:00 +0200 Subject: Echo background :) In-Reply-To: <460A96EC.4000301@gmail.com> References: <460A96EC.4000301@gmail.com> Message-ID: <6e24a8e80703280951m1f47d37bha3949df2437051e9@mail.gmail.com> first thing i noticed: the icons on that desktop are not updated to the echo icons ;) furthermore a extremely nice image but perhaps a little TOO to use it as a wallpaper good job ^_^ 2007/3/28, Mola Pahnadayan : > > Hi all > > http://www.deviantart.com/deviation/51887583/ > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Search weather shortcut. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/shortcuts/#loc_weather From luya_tfz at thefinalzone.com Wed Mar 28 18:30:53 2007 From: luya_tfz at thefinalzone.com (Luya Tshimbalanga) Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2007 11:30:53 -0700 Subject: Echo background :) In-Reply-To: <460A96EC.4000301@gmail.com> References: <460A96EC.4000301@gmail.com> Message-ID: <460AB45D.8000603@thefinalzone.com> Mola Pahnadayan wrote: > Hi all > > http://www.deviantart.com/deviation/51887583/ > > Impressive. I think someday you should create a nice Blender tutorial. If you have, could you also create a Fedora theme for Blender interface? Luya From luya_tfz at thefinalzone.com Wed Mar 28 18:43:35 2007 From: luya_tfz at thefinalzone.com (Luya Tshimbalanga) Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2007 11:43:35 -0700 Subject: Shutdown button draft for echo-icon-theme In-Reply-To: <9c3bfa1d0703280734q836cea3t62d83d5f6a09878b@mail.gmail.com> References: <46088DD8.2050003@thefinalzone.com> <6e24a8e80703270218q2fe7a677pb912d839d2df85d4@mail.gmail.com> <46094F43.6060902@thefinalzone.com> <1175015614.19697.1.camel@rousalka.dyndns.org> <4609541F.8030004@thefinalzone.com> <24621.192.54.193.51.1175074214.squirrel@rousalka.dyndns.org> <6e24a8e80703280707j2f1ec8b3rbe1c6092463b18f3@mail.gmail.com> <9c3bfa1d0703280734q836cea3t62d83d5f6a09878b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <460AB757.3090306@thefinalzone.com> Ben Arnold wrote: > I eally prefer the shutdown24-3.png and standbyL-4.png, they both are > a bit quieter than the blue/red combination and I can see them fitting > into the GNOME panel and box more, along with the KDE panel. > Taking Nicolas suggestion, I removed the circle border with this result. 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I can see where you are coming from looking at Bluecurve's package-development but I think we can do better than that. I propose a 'screen designer' style icon; perhaps the following ideas may help: - the screen behind a pencil and set square (similar to accessories) - screen behind the 'applications-other' icon or similar - screen with text or code on it, keyboard or pencil in front - reminiscent to 'text-x-script' - keyboard, pencil, cogs Any thoughts? ./b -- ..// seawolf //.. Ben Arnold e-mail / msn / icq / yahoo iamseawolf (at) gmail (dot) com http://clik.to/seawolfsanctuary fedora core : artwork GnuPG Available - ask me! -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: package_development.png Type: image/png Size: 2362 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I can see where you are > coming from looking at Bluecurve's package-development but I think we > can do better than that. > > I propose a 'screen designer' style icon; perhaps the following ideas may > help: > - the screen behind a pencil and set square (similar to accessories) > - screen behind the 'applications-other' icon or similar > - screen with text or code on it, keyboard or pencil in front - > reminiscent to 'text-x-script' > - keyboard, pencil, cogs > > Any thoughts? > > ./b > > -- > ..// seawolf //.. > Ben Arnold > e-mail / msn / icq / yahoo > iamseawolf (at) gmail (dot) com > http://clik.to/seawolfsanctuary > > fedora core : artwork > GnuPG Available - ask me! > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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If I'm honest, I'll mostly stick with what I said earlier. The borderless versions don't fit with the rest of the Echo set, specifically dialog-* and media-*, because I feel it gives somewhere to 'hit' the icon. The colours are soft, though; I like the orange for hibernate as this is close to the red for shutdown and different enough to the blue for standby. ./b -- ..// seawolf //.. Ben Arnold e-mail / msn / icq / yahoo iamseawolf (at) gmail (dot) com http://clik.to/seawolfsanctuary fedora core : artwork GnuPG Available - ask me! From nicolas.mailhot at laposte.net Wed Mar 28 19:29:58 2007 From: nicolas.mailhot at laposte.net (Nicolas Mailhot) Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2007 21:29:58 +0200 Subject: echo-icon-theme: gnome-devel icon draft In-Reply-To: <9c3bfa1d0703281157h24a1b397gfea0cce79fc20ef5@mail.gmail.com> References: <460A822C.20202@seznam.cz> <6e24a8e80703280812x3b1ee531w224c2689f3b26dbc@mail.gmail.com> <33367.192.54.193.51.1175095604.squirrel@rousalka.dyndns.org> <9c3bfa1d0703281157h24a1b397gfea0cce79fc20ef5@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1175110198.17719.2.camel@rousalka.dyndns.org> Le mercredi 28 mars 2007 ? 19:57 +0100, Ben Arnold a ?crit : > On 28/03/07, Nicolas Mailhot wrote: > > I don't like the way these tools are used for setup, properties and devel. > > A metaphor that is re-used for widely different things is not a good > > metaphor. > > +1 > > I think a different image should be used; KDE's Crystal developent > icon [a1] is a bit bland compared to Echo's style but the mimetype > icon for Kig [a2] looks good for development. I can see where you are > coming from looking at Bluecurve's package-development but I think we > can do better than that. > > I propose a 'screen designer' style icon; perhaps the following ideas may help: > - the screen behind a pencil and set square (similar to accessories) > - screen behind the 'applications-other' icon or similar > - screen with text or code on it, keyboard or pencil in front - > reminiscent to 'text-x-script' > - keyboard, pencil, cogs lego-style assembling (recognising software development these days involves creating new things with existing blocks, and avoiding confusion with schema/vector-graphics editors) -- Nicolas Mailhot -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 197 bytes Desc: Ceci est une partie de message num?riquement sign?e URL: From nicolas.mailhot at laposte.net Wed Mar 28 19:40:46 2007 From: nicolas.mailhot at laposte.net (Nicolas Mailhot) Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2007 21:40:46 +0200 Subject: Shutdown button draft for echo-icon-theme In-Reply-To: <9c3bfa1d0703281205y24dd49fu97c2a58c2ea16599@mail.gmail.com> References: <46088DD8.2050003@thefinalzone.com> <6e24a8e80703270218q2fe7a677pb912d839d2df85d4@mail.gmail.com> <46094F43.6060902@thefinalzone.com> <1175015614.19697.1.camel@rousalka.dyndns.org> <4609541F.8030004@thefinalzone.com> <24621.192.54.193.51.1175074214.squirrel@rousalka.dyndns.org> <6e24a8e80703280707j2f1ec8b3rbe1c6092463b18f3@mail.gmail.com> <9c3bfa1d0703280734q836cea3t62d83d5f6a09878b@mail.gmail.com> <460AB757.3090306@thefinalzone.com> <9c3bfa1d0703281205y24dd49fu97c2a58c2ea16599@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1175110846.17719.9.camel@rousalka.dyndns.org> Le mercredi 28 mars 2007 ? 20:05 +0100, Ben Arnold a ?crit : > On 28/03/07, Luya Tshimbalanga wrote: > > Ben Arnold wrote: > > > I eally prefer the shutdown24-3.png and standbyL-4.png, they both are > > > a bit quieter than the blue/red combination and I can see them fitting > > > into the GNOME panel and box more, along with the KDE panel. > > > > > Taking Nicolas suggestion, I removed the circle border with this result. > > I think these icons not only fit on the menu but also on login screen. > > Do you prefer the borderless or the border version? > > If I'm honest, I'll mostly stick with what I said earlier. The > borderless versions don't fit with the rest of the Echo set, > specifically dialog-* and media-*, because I feel it gives somewhere > to 'hit' the icon. One can perhaps do some 3d like in media-* without sacrificing the symbol distinctive form. (I'd make the same reproach for dialog-close & dialog-ok, though they've managed to stay somehow distinctive with flat & different colours) BTW it may be useful to add little twists to the different shutdown/standby/hybernate icon forms to help colour-blind people. -- Nicolas Mailhot -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 197 bytes Desc: Ceci est une partie de message num?riquement sign?e URL: From martin.sourada at seznam.cz Wed Mar 28 21:22:03 2007 From: martin.sourada at seznam.cz (Martin Sourada) Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2007 23:22:03 +0200 Subject: echo-icon-theme: gnome-devel icon draft In-Reply-To: <1175110198.17719.2.camel@rousalka.dyndns.org> References: <460A822C.20202@seznam.cz> <6e24a8e80703280812x3b1ee531w224c2689f3b26dbc@mail.gmail.com> <33367.192.54.193.51.1175095604.squirrel@rousalka.dyndns.org> <9c3bfa1d0703281157h24a1b397gfea0cce79fc20ef5@mail.gmail.com> <1175110198.17719.2.camel@rousalka.dyndns.org> Message-ID: <460ADC7B.3000904@seznam.cz> Ok, you convinced me, using same tools for preferences as for development isn't a very good idea... Ben, thanks for the ideas I will look into them as soon as I have enough time. But, as for cogs - they are already used for system tools - and as for text, I fear that an icon is too small to put there some code (though it would be perfect)... Nicolas, good idea. Perhaps we could take some simple app window (only a window with one or two buttons, edit boxes or something like this), add depth to it, divide it into (more or less) cube blocks, some of them remove completely and one or two only place a little apart (angled) showing that they belong to the rest, but are not placed yet? Though I am not sure how it would look in small sizes... Thanks for your comments and ideas, Martin Nicolas Mailhot napsal(a): > Le mercredi 28 mars 2007 ? 19:57 +0100, Ben Arnold a ?crit : >> On 28/03/07, Nicolas Mailhot wrote: >>> I don't like the way these tools are used for setup, properties and devel. >>> A metaphor that is re-used for widely different things is not a good >>> metaphor. >> +1 >> >> I think a different image should be used; KDE's Crystal developent >> icon [a1] is a bit bland compared to Echo's style but the mimetype >> icon for Kig [a2] looks good for development. I can see where you are >> coming from looking at Bluecurve's package-development but I think we >> can do better than that. >> >> I propose a 'screen designer' style icon; perhaps the following ideas may help: >> - the screen behind a pencil and set square (similar to accessories) >> - screen behind the 'applications-other' icon or similar >> - screen with text or code on it, keyboard or pencil in front - >> reminiscent to 'text-x-script' >> - keyboard, pencil, cogs > > lego-style assembling (recognising software development these days > involves creating new things with existing blocks, and avoiding > confusion with schema/vector-graphics editors) > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 249 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From stickster at gmail.com Thu Mar 29 23:19:33 2007 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2007 19:19:33 -0400 Subject: Echo musings Message-ID: <1175210373.4131.17.camel@localhost.localdomain> I am running the latest Rawhide and had the following observations about the Echo theme icons: * The angle of the icons makes some of them difficult to visually distinguish properly, especially with a bright blue emblem in front of a gray icon. Examples include the music file icon and the presentation icon, even at the size seen by default on the desktop. I also wonder whether for some of these icons the backing "document" icon is really necessary. For instance, the video media files appear as a film reel, which is very sensible, so I wonder why the music files shouldn't simply appear as musical notes or similar. * The amount of detail in many of the icons makes it hard to discern the metaphor in many applications. Cut, Copy, Find, Replace, and Print all exhibit this problem. Reply to All in Evolution is particularly difficult, and menu items for Text Editor, Computer and Network don't really work either for this reason. I'm not sure how much of this might be remedied by returning to the links M?ir??n posted about designing for small sizes. * The "New" icon in Evolution is very tiny for some reason. I suspect that's just a one-off problem easily solved. * To extend one point made above, I wonder if it would be wise to try the icon set with a different foreground color. The blue currently used does not lend itself well to emphasizing an emblem in front of a gray-colored icon. -- Paul W. Frields, RHCE http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 Fedora Project: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/PaulWFrields irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From luya_tfz at thefinalzone.com Fri Mar 30 06:49:48 2007 From: luya_tfz at thefinalzone.com (Luya Tshimbalanga) Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2007 23:49:48 -0700 Subject: Echo musings In-Reply-To: <1175210373.4131.17.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1175210373.4131.17.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <460CB30C.9030208@thefinalzone.com> Paul W. Frields wrote: > I am running the latest Rawhide and had the following observations about > the Echo theme icons: > > * The angle of the icons makes some of them difficult to visually > distinguish properly, especially with a bright blue emblem in front of a > gray icon. Examples include the music file icon and the presentation > icon, even at the size seen by default on the desktop. I also wonder > whether for some of these icons the backing "document" icon is really > necessary. For instance, the video media files appear as a film reel, > which is very sensible, so I wonder why the music files shouldn't simply > appear as musical notes or similar. > Could you provide images that can be submitted on wiki to see the problem?For me, it is very hard to analyze the issue without image. > * The amount of detail in many of the icons makes it hard to discern the > metaphor in many applications. Cut, Copy, Find, Replace, and Print all > exhibit this problem. Reply to All in Evolution is particularly > difficult, and menu items for Text Editor, Computer and Network don't > really work either for this reason. I'm not sure how much of this might > be remedied by returning to the links M?ir??n posted about designing for > small sizes. > Mostly because these icons don't have their small size versions yet. I agree that mail-reply-all icons is complex due to characters color. Using a modified Ben's icon may work. > * To extend one point made above, I wonder if it would be wise to try > the icon set with a different foreground color. The blue currently used > does not lend itself well to emphasizing an emblem in front of a > gray-colored icon. > We will check out. Currently, the emphasis is to complete the stock icons listed [1] then focus on these issues. From ben.arnold.inbox at gmail.com Fri Mar 30 09:43:36 2007 From: ben.arnold.inbox at gmail.com (Ben Arnold) Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2007 10:43:36 +0100 Subject: Echo musings In-Reply-To: <460CB30C.9030208@thefinalzone.com> References: <1175210373.4131.17.camel@localhost.localdomain> <460CB30C.9030208@thefinalzone.com> Message-ID: <9c3bfa1d0703300243x2512c5cdq4fde8864de37d19e@mail.gmail.com> On 30/03/07, Luya Tshimbalanga wrote: > Paul W. Frields wrote: > > I am running the latest Rawhide and had the following observations about > > the Echo theme icons: > > > > * The angle of the icons makes some of them difficult to visually > > distinguish properly, especially with a bright blue emblem in front of a > > gray icon. Examples include the music file icon and the presentation > > icon, even at the size seen by default on the desktop. I also wonder > > whether for some of these icons the backing "document" icon is really > > necessary. For instance, the video media files appear as a film reel, > > which is very sensible, so I wonder why the music files shouldn't simply > > appear as musical notes or similar. > > > Could you provide images that can be submitted on wiki to see the > problem?For me, it is very hard to analyze the issue without image. I see your point, it does ask why for one and not the other. I think the reasonsing behind this was the film reel was very grey, so thiswould be hard to distinguish between the page and film. It is possible to use a page with just the film strip (photo negative style) against the page. I belive the page means "document" or "file" as opposed to it just being the application. I suppose the only time one would see the actual files is inside a file manager or browser box but I feel there is still the need to show it is a file. Video file: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/EchoDevelopment?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=video-x-genericL.png Sound file: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/EchoDevelopment?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=audio-x-genericL.png Thanks for your comments :) ./b -- ..// seawolf //.. Ben Arnold e-mail / msn / icq / yahoo iamseawolf (at) gmail (dot) com http://clik.to/seawolfsanctuary fedora core : artwork GnuPG Available - ask me! From stickster at gmail.com Fri Mar 30 20:35:30 2007 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2007 16:35:30 -0400 Subject: Echo musings In-Reply-To: <460CB30C.9030208@thefinalzone.com> References: <1175210373.4131.17.camel@localhost.localdomain> <460CB30C.9030208@thefinalzone.com> Message-ID: <1175286930.25260.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Thu, 2007-03-29 at 23:49 -0700, Luya Tshimbalanga wrote: > Paul W. Frields wrote: > > I am running the latest Rawhide and had the following observations about > > the Echo theme icons: > > > > * The angle of the icons makes some of them difficult to visually > > distinguish properly, especially with a bright blue emblem in front of a > > gray icon. Examples include the music file icon and the presentation > > icon, even at the size seen by default on the desktop. I also wonder > > whether for some of these icons the backing "document" icon is really > > necessary. For instance, the video media files appear as a film reel, > > which is very sensible, so I wonder why the music files shouldn't simply > > appear as musical notes or similar. > > > Could you provide images that can be submitted on wiki to see the > problem?For me, it is very hard to analyze the issue without image. See my wiki drafts page for an example: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/PaulWFrields/Drafts -- Paul W. Frields, RHCE http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 Fedora Project: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/PaulWFrields irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From Martin.Sourada at seznam.cz Sat Mar 31 18:06:50 2007 From: Martin.Sourada at seznam.cz (=?us-ascii?Q?Martin=20Sourada?=) Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2007 20:06:50 +0200 (CEST) Subject: (Re) Echo Cursors - naming spec, etc. - need check Message-ID: <1104.1198-27816-2028851961-1175364410@seznam.cz> Hi all, I've filled remaining cursors descriptions [1]. Currently only usage notes (i.e. for what, or when are the cursors used) are missing (in description there is "??Usage??"), but that is not a high priority. Also maybe there can be some missing hashes or names, but that can also be discovered and added as the development goes on. So what I need from you - if there is anyone who can do it (even if only some cursors), please check if the specs are ok. Perhaps we could add an extra column for check-state (with these options: OK, Wrong, -)? Also I would suggest to move all currently unsorted cursors to Deprecated section. Next, probably after the naming spec page [1] is checked, I (or anyone else) would make a gallery of cursors (similar to EchoDevelopment [2]), thought empty at start point. And also, is anyone OK with GPL for license? If there are no objections I will update the EchoCursor wiki [3] next weekend. Finally, is there any volunteer for making a build and install script for the cursors? If not I can make it, but probably not before the next fortnight is over... And one wiki related question: is there any way how to receive e-mail notifications when a certain page is updated? I thought a subscribe option is the way, but it seems to not work for me. Thanks, Martin References: [1] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/EchoCursors/NamingSpec [2] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/EchoDevelopment [3] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/EchoCursors From martin.sourada at seznam.cz Sat Mar 31 22:47:30 2007 From: martin.sourada at seznam.cz (Martin Sourada) Date: Sun, 01 Apr 2007 00:47:30 +0200 Subject: echo-icon-theme: gnome-devel icon draft In-Reply-To: <460ADC7B.3000904@seznam.cz> References: <460A822C.20202@seznam.cz> <6e24a8e80703280812x3b1ee531w224c2689f3b26dbc@mail.gmail.com> <33367.192.54.193.51.1175095604.squirrel@rousalka.dyndns.org> <9c3bfa1d0703281157h24a1b397gfea0cce79fc20ef5@mail.gmail.com> <1175110198.17719.2.camel@rousalka.dyndns.org> <460ADC7B.3000904@seznam.cz> Message-ID: <460EE502.7050406@seznam.cz> Hi, I made new gnome-devel icons (currently only 48x48 and 24x24) using the lego scheme. See attachments. 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