From duffy at redhat.com Thu Nov 1 06:45:32 2007 From: duffy at redhat.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?M=E1ir=EDn_Duffy?=) Date: Thu, 01 Nov 2007 02:45:32 -0400 Subject: spins.fpo design Message-ID: <4729760C.8020507@redhat.com> Hey folks, Just an update on the spins.fpo design I've been working on. At this point I am sure it will not make f8's release but I'd like to get it up as soon as is reasonable post-release. :) So, remember the mockups i did a while back? I started HTML-ifying them; I just finished with the main content for the spins details mock (still need to add the fpo template to it as well as the icons): - HTML: http://duffy.fedorapeople.org/temp/spins/spin-details.html - Mockup: http://duffy.fedorapeople.org/temp/spindetailsmock2.png The other HTML I want to do is for this mockup: - Mockup: http://duffy.fedorapeople.org/temp/spinsmock5.png (the banner at the top will be replaced with new artwork! something like this: http://duffy.fedorapeople.org/temp/spins/djs.png) Overall I think the spins.fpo site should have the following pages: -- main page: introduction to what spins are | |-- spin details page | | | |- bittorrent tutorial | | | |_ what's my arch tutorial | |-- what is a spin / how do i use a spin page | |__ how do i create my own spin? page The open work items I see from a design POV are: 1 - Content for the how to create my own spin page (any suggestions on existing content I can use for this page?) (0% done AFAIK) 2 - Content for the what is a spin / how do i use a spin page? (any suggestions on existing content I can use for this page?) (0% done AFAIK) 3 - Mockups & HTML for the 6 pages in the above sitemap (maybe 25% there) 4 - Finish DJ banner artwork for the main page (80% done) 5 - Obtain photos from willing Fedora users to represent the spins (25%, Manuel Amador has provided me photos, I may need to make a formal call for photo submissions or start taking photos of innocent vict^H^H^H^H volunteers around the office :)) 6 - Get all the content into i18n-able templates and into git... Work out a mechanism to generate a details page for each spin and get content into it? (0% done, any ideas?) Eventually I think we will need a spins 'directory' but thus far we have few enough spins we dn't have to worry about that yet. Anyhow, I hope this gives a clear picture of where we're at for the blingtastic spins page; if anybody has answers/suggestions for the open work items above do share :) ~m From david at lovesunix.net Thu Nov 1 07:48:35 2007 From: david at lovesunix.net (David Nielsen) Date: Thu, 01 Nov 2007 08:48:35 +0100 Subject: spins.fpo design In-Reply-To: <4729760C.8020507@redhat.com> References: <4729760C.8020507@redhat.com> Message-ID: <1193903315.3048.20.camel@dawkins> tor, 01 11 2007 kl. 02:45 -0400, skrev M?ir?n Duffy: > Hey folks, > > Just an update on the spins.fpo design I've been working on. At this > point I am sure it will not make f8's release but I'd like to get it up > as soon as is reasonable post-release. :) > > So, remember the mockups i did a while back? I started HTML-ifying them; > I just finished with the main content for the spins details mock (still > need to add the fpo template to it as well as the icons): > > - HTML: http://duffy.fedorapeople.org/temp/spins/spin-details.html > - Mockup: http://duffy.fedorapeople.org/temp/spindetailsmock2.png > > The other HTML I want to do is for this mockup: > > - Mockup: http://duffy.fedorapeople.org/temp/spinsmock5.png > > (the banner at the top will be replaced with new artwork! something like > this: http://duffy.fedorapeople.org/temp/spins/djs.png) > > Overall I think the spins.fpo site should have the following pages: > > -- main page: introduction to what spins are > | > |-- spin details page > | | > | |- bittorrent tutorial > | | > | |_ what's my arch tutorial > | > |-- what is a spin / how do i use a spin page > | > |__ how do i create my own spin? page > > The open work items I see from a design POV are: > > 1 - Content for the how to create my own spin page (any suggestions on > existing content I can use for this page?) (0% done AFAIK) > > 2 - Content for the what is a spin / how do i use a spin page? (any > suggestions on existing content I can use for this page?) (0% done AFAIK) > > 3 - Mockups & HTML for the 6 pages in the above sitemap (maybe 25% there) > > 4 - Finish DJ banner artwork for the main page (80% done) > > 5 - Obtain photos from willing Fedora users to represent the spins (25%, > Manuel Amador has provided me photos, I may need to make a formal call > for photo submissions or start taking photos of innocent vict^H^H^H^H > volunteers around the office :)) > > 6 - Get all the content into i18n-able templates and into git... Work > out a mechanism to generate a details page for each spin and get content > into it? (0% done, any ideas?) > > Eventually I think we will need a spins 'directory' but thus far we have > few enough spins we dn't have to worry about that yet. > > Anyhow, I hope this gives a clear picture of where we're at for the > blingtastic spins page; if anybody has answers/suggestions for the open > work items above do share :) Maybe we should use the term "additional information" instead of "wiki page" The same goes for leechers, that term has sort of a different meaning in real life than it does in the wonderful world of technology, maybe we could use peers instead. Or we could simply label a spin "Available" or not depending on the presence of a seed then have a "request sharing" button that would file a bug in case there are no seeds for whatever reason. Might it also be an idea to turn the spin creator title into a link to said persons wiki page if one is available. 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Chitlesh -- http://clunixchit.blogspot.com From jonathan.roberts.uk at googlemail.com Thu Nov 1 12:27:02 2007 From: jonathan.roberts.uk at googlemail.com (Jonathan Roberts) Date: Thu, 01 Nov 2007 12:27:02 +0000 Subject: spins.fpo design In-Reply-To: <4729760C.8020507@redhat.com> References: <4729760C.8020507@redhat.com> Message-ID: <1193920022.2890.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> > 1 - Content for the how to create my own spin page (any suggestions on > existing content I can use for this page?) (0% done AFAIK) This might be a starting point: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/JeroenVanMeeuwen/Revisor/RemixHowto Anything you'd like any help with? This is looking cool! Best wishes, Jon From duffy at redhat.com Thu Nov 1 13:35:55 2007 From: duffy at redhat.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?M=E1ir=EDn_Duffy?=) Date: Thu, 01 Nov 2007 09:35:55 -0400 Subject: spins.fpo design In-Reply-To: <13dbfe4f0711010509y6958a4fj4fa7f255db5d7b02@mail.gmail.com> References: <4729760C.8020507@redhat.com> <13dbfe4f0711010509y6958a4fj4fa7f255db5d7b02@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4729D63B.3070301@redhat.com> Chitlesh GOORAH wrote: > On 11/1/07, M?ir?n Duffy wrote: >> Hey folks, >> Anyhow, I hope this gives a clear picture of where we're at for the >> blingtastic spins page; if anybody has answers/suggestions for the open >> work items above do share :) > > This is awesome :) > > Based on your mockups and your html, this is the best I could do. > > http://chitlesh.fedorapeople.org/FEL/ Nice :) Some of the css styles look a little different, is that intentional? What's the licensing of the image? ~m From poelstra at redhat.com Thu Nov 1 16:25:36 2007 From: poelstra at redhat.com (John Poelstra) Date: Thu, 01 Nov 2007 09:25:36 -0700 Subject: spins.fpo design In-Reply-To: <13dbfe4f0711010509y6958a4fj4fa7f255db5d7b02@mail.gmail.com> References: <4729760C.8020507@redhat.com> <13dbfe4f0711010509y6958a4fj4fa7f255db5d7b02@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4729FE00.4030005@redhat.com> Chitlesh GOORAH said the following on 11/01/2007 05:09 AM Pacific Time: > On 11/1/07, M?ir?n Duffy wrote: >> Hey folks, >> Anyhow, I hope this gives a clear picture of where we're at for the >> blingtastic spins page; if anybody has answers/suggestions for the open >> work items above do share :) > > This is awesome :) > > Based on your mockups and your html, this is the best I could do. > > http://chitlesh.fedorapeople.org/FEL/ > I like the: "Whoah, I Need Help! What am I downloading here?" Could we add a link to a simple useful tutorial on downloading a torrent file and how torrent works? My guess is that if someone has this question, simply telling them they can "download it with any Bittorrent client" isn't going to help them that much. John From david at lovesunix.net Thu Nov 1 16:42:02 2007 From: david at lovesunix.net (David Nielsen) Date: Thu, 01 Nov 2007 17:42:02 +0100 Subject: spins.fpo design In-Reply-To: <4729FE00.4030005@redhat.com> References: <4729760C.8020507@redhat.com> <13dbfe4f0711010509y6958a4fj4fa7f255db5d7b02@mail.gmail.com> <4729FE00.4030005@redhat.com> Message-ID: <1193935322.3048.24.camel@dawkins> tor, 01 11 2007 kl. 09:25 -0700, skrev John Poelstra: > Chitlesh GOORAH said the following on 11/01/2007 05:09 AM Pacific Time: > > On 11/1/07, M?ir?n Duffy wrote: > >> Hey folks, > >> Anyhow, I hope this gives a clear picture of where we're at for the > >> blingtastic spins page; if anybody has answers/suggestions for the open > >> work items above do share :) > > > > This is awesome :) > > > > Based on your mockups and your html, this is the best I could do. > > > > http://chitlesh.fedorapeople.org/FEL/ > > > > I like the: "Whoah, I Need Help! What am I downloading here?" > > Could we add a link to a simple useful tutorial on downloading a torrent file and how torrent works? My guess is that if someone has this question, simply telling them they can "download it with any Bittorrent client" isn't going to help them that much. I saw an implementation of bittorrent that ran in the web browser, I believe it was called bitlets - that would eliminate the problem all together. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Subject: Re: spins.fpo design tor, 01 11 2007 kl. 09:25 -0700, skrev John Poelstra: > Chitlesh GOORAH said the following on 11/01/2007 05:09 AM Pacific Time: > > On 11/1/07, M?ir?n Duffy wrote: > >> Hey folks, > >> Anyhow, I hope this gives a clear picture of where we're at for the > >> blingtastic spins page; if anybody has answers/suggestions for the > >> open work items above do share :) > > > > This is awesome :) > > > > Based on your mockups and your html, this is the best I could do. > > > > http://chitlesh.fedorapeople.org/FEL/ > > > > I like the: "Whoah, I Need Help! What am I downloading here?" > > Could we add a link to a simple useful tutorial on downloading a torrent file and how torrent works? My guess is that if someone has this question, simply telling them they can "download it with any Bittorrent client" isn't going to help them that much. I saw an implementation of bittorrent that ran in the web browser, I believe it was called bitlets - that would eliminate the problem all together. From liviopl.pl at gmail.com Thu Nov 1 19:59:04 2007 From: liviopl.pl at gmail.com (Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek) Date: Thu, 01 Nov 2007 20:59:04 +0100 Subject: USplash Theme Message-ID: <1193947144l.4232l.0l@rocket> Hi, I just played with GIMP, and created very simple image [1]. .so available [2]. 1| http://img.wklej.org/images/83061usplash-artwork.png 2| http://up.wklej.org/download.php?id=db60b95decdeed944b4cd8685417cfdc -- Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek http://liviopl.jogger.pl/ From markg85 at gmail.com Fri Nov 2 10:14:48 2007 From: markg85 at gmail.com (Mark) Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2007 11:14:48 +0100 Subject: USplash Theme In-Reply-To: <1193947144l.4232l.0l@rocket> References: <1193947144l.4232l.0l@rocket> Message-ID: <6e24a8e80711020314o200faa4fqd3208e89fe33b208@mail.gmail.com> 2007/11/1, Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek : > Hi, > > I just played with GIMP, and created very simple image [1]. > .so available [2]. > > > > 1| http://img.wklej.org/images/83061usplash-artwork.png > 2| http://up.wklej.org/download.php?id=db60b95decdeed944b4cd8685417cfdc > > -- > Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek > http://liviopl.jogger.pl/ Looks nice! but i doubt that it will be used in a future fedora version. From ben.arnold.inbox at gmail.com Fri Nov 2 10:44:30 2007 From: ben.arnold.inbox at gmail.com (Ben Arnold) Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2007 10:44:30 +0000 Subject: spins.fpo design In-Reply-To: <1193935322.3048.24.camel@dawkins> References: <4729760C.8020507@redhat.com> <13dbfe4f0711010509y6958a4fj4fa7f255db5d7b02@mail.gmail.com> <4729FE00.4030005@redhat.com> <1193935322.3048.24.camel@dawkins> Message-ID: <9c3bfa1d0711020344k4158c829y1f03c6cb7befb825@mail.gmail.com> On 01/11/2007, David Nielsen wrote: > I saw an implementation of bittorrent that ran in the web browser Opera has its own BT capabilities built in. -- | ..// seawolf //.. | | Ben Arnold | | e-mail / msn / icq / web | | http://clik.to/seawolfsanctuary | | ben.arnold.inbox (at) gmail.com | | iamseawolf (at) gmail (dot) com | | GnuPG Available - ask me! | From luya_tfz at thefinalzone.com Sat Nov 3 08:20:19 2007 From: luya_tfz at thefinalzone.com (Luya Tshimbalanga) Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2007 04:20:19 -0400 Subject: graphics In-Reply-To: <472BB5D5.3030300@gmail.com> References: <1194046305.24082.6.camel@strikeforce.mwiriadi.id.au> <472BB331.5030703@fedoraproject.org> <1194046757.24082.10.camel@strikeforce.mwiriadi.id.au> <472BB5D5.3030300@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1194078019.472c2f43bfa85@ssl.mecca.ca> Quoting "Juan M. Rodriguez" : > Marc Wiriadisastra wrote: > > A crazy thought to differentiate Fedora more from the others could be > > (sorry art-list) a release of new backgrounds to represent different > > times of the year with an opt out clause. What I mean is the following. > > > > Halloween Graphics > > Christmas graphics > > Ramadan(sp?) graphics > > The Jewish one (sorry I don't know what it is called) > > > > They get installed by default at different times of the year so you have > > evolving desktops overtime. > > > > Cheers, > > > > Marc > > > > > That would be awesome. > They could be installed as updates via yum, or could be consolidated at > a specific webpage, such as gnome-looks or kde-looks, and have > user-submitted wallpaper sets there too. > > Just my thoughts, > -Nushio It can be a possible candidate for featuring on Fedora 9. AFAIR, KDE has a feature to set different background on different desktop. -- Luya Tshimbalanga Fedora Project contributor http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/LuyaTshimbalanga From liviopl.pl at gmail.com Sat Nov 3 12:45:13 2007 From: liviopl.pl at gmail.com (Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek) Date: Sat, 03 Nov 2007 13:45:13 +0100 Subject: Nodoka issues and pleases Message-ID: <1194093913l.18624l.0l@rocket> Hi, I want to show you few issues and please for few options. 1. ISSUE: Smaller than 16px slider width. 5px: [1] 15px: [2] 2. PLEASE: Slider with bars instead of circles look better [3] 3. PLEASE: Toolbar gradients (unavailable) 4. PLEASE: Scrollbar coloring [not working) 5. PLEASE: Default button shadow/etc 1| http://img.wklej.org/images/648075px.png 2| http://img.wklej.org/images/41115px.png 3| http://img.wklej.org/images/14477bars.png -- Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek http://liviopl.jogger.pl/ From angazi2181 at hotmail.com Sat Nov 3 12:51:36 2007 From: angazi2181 at hotmail.com (Jack Badger) Date: Sat, 03 Nov 2007 23:51:36 +1100 Subject: Nodoka issues and pleases In-Reply-To: <1194093913l.18624l.0l@rocket> Message-ID: you're right they do look better. >From: "Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek" >Reply-To: "Discussions about the artwork included with Fedora, including >icons, themes, and wallpapers." >To: fedora-art-list at redhat.com >Subject: Nodoka issues and pleases >Date: Sat, 03 Nov 2007 13:45:13 +0100 > >Hi, > >I want to show you few issues and please for few options. > >1. ISSUE: Smaller than 16px slider width. > 5px: [1] > 15px: [2] > >2. PLEASE: Slider with bars instead of circles look better > [3] > >3. PLEASE: Toolbar gradients (unavailable) > >4. PLEASE: Scrollbar coloring [not working) > >5. PLEASE: Default button shadow/etc > > >1| http://img.wklej.org/images/648075px.png >2| http://img.wklej.org/images/41115px.png >3| http://img.wklej.org/images/14477bars.png > >-- >Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek >http://liviopl.jogger.pl/ > > >_______________________________________________ >Fedora-art-list mailing list >Fedora-art-list at redhat.com >http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list _________________________________________________________________ Advertisement: It's simple! Sell your car for just $30 at CarPoint.com.au http://a.ninemsn.com.au/b.aspx?URL=http%3A%2F%2Fsecure%2Dau%2Eimrworldwide%2Ecom%2Fcgi%2Dbin%2Fa%2Fci%5F450304%2Fet%5F2%2Fcg%5F801459%2Fpi%5F1004813%2Fai%5F859641&_t=762955845&_r=tig_OCT07&_m=EXT From ljuwaida at fedoraproject.org Sun Nov 4 16:50:17 2007 From: ljuwaida at fedoraproject.org (Laith Juwaidah) Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2007 20:50:17 +0400 Subject: Fwd: Nodoka Window Decoration for KDE In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hi, I thought I sent this message a few days ago, but when I checked in the mailing list's archives, I didn't find it there, so, here it is again. I created a Nodoka Window Decoration for KDE, you can see a screen shot of it [1]here. I put it on my fedorapeople account [2], and on my blog [3], but since they're both new, I don't think anybody will notice them. So, I decided to subscribe to the mailing list and inform you guys. You can find the package here [4], just extract it, and you'll find a file called installation.txt that has the instruction. Cheers! [1] http://ljuwaida.fedorapeople.org/Artwork/Nodoka/KDE/WindowDecoration/NodokaWindowDecorationKDE.png [2] http://ljuwaida.fedorapeople.org [3] http://ljuwaidah.blogspot.com [4] http://ljuwaida.fedorapeople.org/Artwork/Nodoka/KDE/WindowDecoration/NodokaWindowDecorationKDE.tar.gz - -- Laith Juwaidah http://www.ljuwaidah.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (GNU/Linux) Comment: http://firegpg.tuxfamily.org iD8DBQFHLfdcfryOdPLjmbIRArXjAJ9H+DXijlJJhthlhzDiXyVpdIf3rACfTYud IBcrF2PiBKzPWSwlVvO1idg= =FZ9x -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From liviopl.pl at gmail.com Sun Nov 4 17:20:41 2007 From: liviopl.pl at gmail.com (Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek) Date: Sun, 04 Nov 2007 18:20:41 +0100 Subject: Fwd: Nodoka Window Decoration for KDE In-Reply-To: (from ljuwaida@fedoraproject.org on Sun Nov 4 17:50:17 2007) References: Message-ID: <1194196841l.29456l.0l@rocket> Hi, There are two issues. 1) Too little titlebar height. 2) Inactive window titlebar should be grayed out. -- Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek http://liviopl.jogger.pl/ From ljuwaida at fedoraproject.org Sun Nov 4 17:47:16 2007 From: ljuwaida at fedoraproject.org (Laith Juwaidah) Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2007 21:47:16 +0400 Subject: Fwd: Nodoka Window Decoration for KDE In-Reply-To: <1194196841l.29456l.0l@rocket> References: <1194196841l.29456l.0l@rocket> Message-ID: I can fix the gerying out thing, but I'm quite sure that the height is exactly the same as that of the original theme, well, at least that's how it looked in the screen shot on Nodoka's wiki page. It would be very helpful if you provide me with a screen shot that includes two open windows, that'll help me solve both problems, preferably with the mouse over one of the buttons, 'cause I'm not quite sure of the hover effect. Thanks a lot for correcting me :) On 11/4/07, Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek wrote: > > Hi, > > There are two issues. > > 1) Too little titlebar height. > > 2) Inactive window titlebar should be grayed out. > > -- > Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek > http://liviopl.jogger.pl/ > > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list > -- Laith Juwaidah http://www.ljuwaidah.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From liviopl.pl at gmail.com Sun Nov 4 17:53:45 2007 From: liviopl.pl at gmail.com (Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek) Date: Sun, 04 Nov 2007 18:53:45 +0100 Subject: Fwd: Nodoka Window Decoration for KDE In-Reply-To: (from ljuwaida@fedoraproject.org on Sun Nov 4 18:47:16 2007) References: <1194196841l.29456l.0l@rocket> Message-ID: <1194198825l.29823l.0l@rocket> Hi, Two windows, few effects. 1) Normal 2) Active window button hover 3) Inactive window button hover 4) Active window button pressed (pressing button in inactive window causes window focus on inactive window) 1| http://img.wklej.org/images/87044nod.png 2| http://img.wklej.org/images/36619nodhovact.png 3| http://img.wklej.org/images/74777nodhovinact.png 4| http://img.wklej.org/images/23856nodpress.png -- Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek http://liviopl.jogger.pl/ From liviopl.pl at gmail.com Sun Nov 4 20:00:25 2007 From: liviopl.pl at gmail.com (Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek) Date: Sun, 04 Nov 2007 21:00:25 +0100 Subject: Hardcoded icons Message-ID: <1194206425l.31488l.0l@rocket> Hi, Guidelines says what says, but Fedora config apps aren't using them [1]. So I've file bug in selected app [2]. It should be filed in every system-* component, but it's impossible. 1| http://live.gnome.org/GnomeGoals/AppIcon 2| https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=366081 -- Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek http://liviopl.jogger.pl/ From ljuwaida at fedoraproject.org Sun Nov 4 20:05:52 2007 From: ljuwaida at fedoraproject.org (Laith Juwaidah) Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2007 00:05:52 +0400 Subject: Fwd: Nodoka Window Decoration for KDE In-Reply-To: <1194198825l.29823l.0l@rocket> References: <1194196841l.29456l.0l@rocket> <1194198825l.29823l.0l@rocket> Message-ID: Humm... That wasn't as helpful as I expected it to be... I can't use that to create this theme 'cause it is partially transparent... I know the hover and click effects work fine, the inactive title bar grays out now, however, it becomes a bit darker than the original theme. I don't know how I can increase the height... Are you using Beryl or Compiz? Try disabling that, that might help remove the shadows and the transparency, that's when I can use those screen shots to create my theme :P Thanks again :) On 11/4/07, Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek wrote: > > Hi, > > Two windows, few effects. > > 1) Normal > > 2) Active window button hover > > 3) Inactive window button hover > > 4) Active window button pressed (pressing button in inactive window > causes window focus on inactive window) > > > > 1| http://img.wklej.org/images/87044nod.png > 2| http://img.wklej.org/images/36619nodhovact.png > 3| http://img.wklej.org/images/74777nodhovinact.png > 4| http://img.wklej.org/images/23856nodpress.png > > -- > Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek > http://liviopl.jogger.pl/ > > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list > -- Laith Juwaidah http://www.ljuwaidah.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From liviopl.pl at gmail.com Sun Nov 4 20:06:11 2007 From: liviopl.pl at gmail.com (Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek) Date: Sun, 04 Nov 2007 21:06:11 +0100 Subject: Fwd: Nodoka Window Decoration for KDE In-Reply-To: (from ljuwaida@fedoraproject.org on Sun Nov 4 21:05:52 2007) References: <1194196841l.29456l.0l@rocket> <1194198825l.29823l.0l@rocket> Message-ID: <1194206771l.31488l.1l@rocket> Dnia 04.11.2007 21:05:52, Laith Juwaidah napisa?(a): > Humm... > > That wasn't as helpful as I expected it to be... > > I can't use that to create this theme 'cause it is partially > transparent... > > I know the hover and click effects work fine, the inactive title bar > grays > out now, however, it becomes a bit darker than the original theme. > > I don't know how I can increase the height... Are you using Beryl or > Compiz? > Try disabling that, that might help remove the shadows and the > transparency, > that's when I can use those screen shots to create my theme :P > > Thanks again :) > > On 11/4/07, Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek wrote: > > > > Hi, > > > > Two windows, few effects. > > > > 1) Normal > > > > 2) Active window button hover > > > > 3) Inactive window button hover > > > > 4) Active window button pressed (pressing button in inactive window > > causes window focus on inactive window) > > > > > > > > 1| http://img.wklej.org/images/87044nod.png > > 2| http://img.wklej.org/images/36619nodhovact.png > > 3| http://img.wklej.org/images/74777nodhovinact.png > > 4| http://img.wklej.org/images/23856nodpress.png > > > > -- > > Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek > > http://liviopl.jogger.pl/ > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Fedora-art-list mailing list > > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list > > > > > > -- > Laith Juwaidah > http://www.ljuwaidah.org > > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list > > I'll switch to another user and make the sshots. So, wait a while ;] . -- Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek http://liviopl.jogger.pl/ From martin.sourada at seznam.cz Sun Nov 4 20:21:54 2007 From: martin.sourada at seznam.cz (Martin Sourada) Date: Sun, 04 Nov 2007 21:21:54 +0100 Subject: Fwd: Nodoka Window Decoration for KDE In-Reply-To: References: <1194196841l.29456l.0l@rocket> <1194198825l.29823l.0l@rocket> Message-ID: <1194207714.2730.10.camel@pc-notebook.kolej.mff.cuni.cz> Hi Laith, On Sun, 2007-11-04 at 21:05 +0100, Laith Juwaidah wrote: > Humm... > > That wasn't as helpful as I expected it to be... > > I can't use that to create this theme 'cause it is partially > transparent... > Of course... he took the screenshot with compiz/beryl enabled... > I know the hover and click effects work fine, the inactive title bar > grays out now, however, it becomes a bit darker than the original > theme. > > I don't know how I can increase the height... Are you using Beryl or > Compiz? Try disabling that, that might help remove the shadows and the > transparency, that's when I can use those screen shots to create my > theme :P > I am content with it as a start. As for the height, it is as I wanted it at first, however the gnome font setting are such that the height is bigger. If you'd like it to be same, just adjust the font settings. Do you want me to create a new component (are you OK with nodoka-kwin-theme for its name?) at the nodoka upstream git repository? I can also give you rights to write there, but you'll need to add yourself to gitnodoka group at the fedora accounts system. Oh, just in case, the colouring of the win title should be done according to qt theme, the focused colour is derived from colour for selected items and the unfocused colour is derived from colour for insensitive background. You can look into the metacity theme for exact values [1]. Thanks for your efforts, Martin References: [1] http://git.fedoraproject.org/?p=hosted/nodoka;a=blob;f=trunk/nodoka-theme-gnome/Nodoka/metacity-1/metacity-theme-1.xml;h=22c18830cfda1ce7646721e869f556549b69b09c;hb=HEAD From ljuwaida at fedoraproject.org Sun Nov 4 20:53:58 2007 From: ljuwaida at fedoraproject.org (Laith Juwaidah) Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2007 00:53:58 +0400 Subject: Fwd: Nodoka Window Decoration for KDE In-Reply-To: <1194207714.2730.10.camel@pc-notebook.kolej.mff.cuni.cz> References: <1194196841l.29456l.0l@rocket> <1194198825l.29823l.0l@rocket> <1194207714.2730.10.camel@pc-notebook.kolej.mff.cuni.cz> Message-ID: Sure, I don't mind it being called nodoka-kwin-theme. I'll add myself to the gitnodoka group, and wait for your response. I just tried changing the inactive title bar color in the color theme, and that actually changed the color of the inactive title bar, I'll try to fiddle with that tomorrow. Thanks :) On 11/5/07, Martin Sourada wrote: > > Hi Laith, > > On Sun, 2007-11-04 at 21:05 +0100, Laith Juwaidah wrote: > > Humm... > > > > That wasn't as helpful as I expected it to be... > > > > I can't use that to create this theme 'cause it is partially > > transparent... > > > Of course... he took the screenshot with compiz/beryl enabled... > > > I know the hover and click effects work fine, the inactive title bar > > grays out now, however, it becomes a bit darker than the original > > theme. > > > > I don't know how I can increase the height... Are you using Beryl or > > Compiz? Try disabling that, that might help remove the shadows and the > > transparency, that's when I can use those screen shots to create my > > theme :P > > > I am content with it as a start. As for the height, it is as I wanted it > at first, however the gnome font setting are such that the height is > bigger. If you'd like it to be same, just adjust the font settings. Do > you want me to create a new component (are you OK with nodoka-kwin-theme > for its name?) at the nodoka upstream git repository? I can also give > you rights to write there, but you'll need to add yourself to gitnodoka > group at the fedora accounts system. > > Oh, just in case, the colouring of the win title should be done > according to qt theme, the focused colour is derived from colour for > selected items and the unfocused colour is derived from colour for > insensitive background. You can look into the metacity theme for exact > values [1]. > > Thanks for your efforts, > Martin > > References: > [1] > > http://git.fedoraproject.org/?p=hosted/nodoka;a=blob;f=trunk/nodoka-theme-gnome/Nodoka/metacity-1/metacity-theme-1.xml;h=22c18830cfda1ce7646721e869f556549b69b09c;hb=HEAD > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list > -- Laith Juwaidah http://www.ljuwaidah.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Help us to provide an equivalent for KDE. > +1 As the lead writer for the Desktop User Guide (or DUG), I have plenty of work for anyone who wishes to promote the KDE side of the house as far as default apps installed when doing a "groupinstall KDE" or using the KDE LIve CD. An easy approach is to look at the existing GNOME-centric DUG and write up the KDE equivalent of the GNOME applications in a given section. For example, describe how to launch and use Konqueror as a web browser. Don't worry about where things fit in - I can take care of the placement of the material in the appropriate section of the DUG. Best Regards, John Babich Volunteer, Fedora Docs Project Lead Writer, Desktop user Guide From ljuwaidah at gmail.com Sun Nov 4 17:46:03 2007 From: ljuwaidah at gmail.com (Laith Juwaidah) Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2007 21:46:03 +0400 Subject: Fwd: Nodoka Window Decoration for KDE In-Reply-To: <1194196841l.29456l.0l@rocket> References: <1194196841l.29456l.0l@rocket> Message-ID: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 I can fix the gerying out thing, but I'm quite sure that the height is exactly the same as that of the original theme, well, at least that's how it looked in the screen shot on Nodoka's wiki page. It would be very helpful if you provide me with a screen shot that includes two open windows, that'll help me solve both problems, preferably with the mouse over one of the buttons, 'cause I'm not quite sure of the hover effect. Thanks a lot for correcting me :) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (GNU/Linux) Comment: http://firegpg.tuxfamily.org iD8DBQFHLgTrfryOdPLjmbIRAgfGAJ9J+F5LYZaKpB3nZkkt7/3FlOfecQCeJ0US i6q5sF6mXrI+nCo+q8Q/5mA= =cVsS -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- On 11/4/07, Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek wrote: > > Hi, > > There are two issues. > > 1) Too little titlebar height. > > 2) Inactive window titlebar should be grayed out. > > -- > Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek > http://liviopl.jogger.pl/ > > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list > -- Laith Juwaidah http://www.ljuwaidah.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gilboad at gmail.com Mon Nov 5 12:21:02 2007 From: gilboad at gmail.com (Gilboa Davara) Date: Mon, 05 Nov 2007 14:21:02 +0200 Subject: The KDE-SIG needs (your) help In-Reply-To: <200710292315.23149.ml@deadbabylon.de> References: <200710292315.23149.ml@deadbabylon.de> Message-ID: <1194265262.12341.11.camel@gilboa-work-dev.localdomain> On Mon, 2007-10-29 at 23:15 +0100, Sebastian Vahl wrote: > This is a request for participation: > The KDE-SIG [1] is atm lacking active contributors. And we really need some > help in doing our job to provide a good KDE version in Fedora - especially > with the upcoming KDE 4.0 and the inclusion in Fedora 9. > > If you don't know how you could help us here is a list (which is also in the > wiki): > > * Packagers: There are so many interesting packages that are not yet packaged > for Fedora. Package it to improve the user experience. > I intended to help more with F8... but failed miserably. Hopefully I'll be able to free more time on F9. > * Reviewers: Only a few persons are doing the kde-related reviews. Help us > reviewing so that more packages could be included. > > * Testers: If you love KDE use the development version or the updates-testing > repository and report bugs, bugs, bugs, request enhancements or features. We > need your feedback to improve KDE. I assume that KDE4's staging ground will be kde-redhat, right? - Gilboa From michael.d.beckwith at gmail.com Tue Nov 6 04:49:50 2007 From: michael.d.beckwith at gmail.com (Michael Beckwith) Date: Mon, 05 Nov 2007 23:49:50 -0500 Subject: Spins image Message-ID: <472FF26E.2020009@gmail.com> Mo, do you have any sort of finalized spins image? I'd like to include one in the Fedora 8 Features pdf I'm putting together -- ~Michael http://ridleytx.structed.net (for now) http://michaelbox.net (eventually) From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Tue Nov 6 07:56:14 2007 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2007 09:56:14 +0200 Subject: f8 banner for fpo In-Reply-To: <472FFC6B.4040005@redhat.com> References: <472FFC6B.4040005@redhat.com> Message-ID: <47301E1E.9010504@nicubunu.ro> M?ir?n Duffy wrote: > I have a non-animated one too, but - what do you think about this one? > > http://duffy.fedorapeople.org/art/web/f8-banner/f8-banner-animation.gif I like it, just I am not sure 200x100 is a standard size for banners. -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From mola.mp at gmail.com Tue Nov 6 13:54:55 2007 From: mola.mp at gmail.com (Mola Pahnadayan) Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2007 17:24:55 +0330 Subject: Fedora respin for check Message-ID: <4730722F.7050203@gmail.com> Hi all Re- spi(On shape)n http://www.molaora.com/data/files/Temp/spin_003.png From liviopl.pl at gmail.com Tue Nov 6 14:03:14 2007 From: liviopl.pl at gmail.com (Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek) Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2007 15:03:14 +0100 Subject: f8 banner for fpo In-Reply-To: <47301E1E.9010504@nicubunu.ro> References: <472FFC6B.4040005@redhat.com> <47301E1E.9010504@nicubunu.ro> Message-ID: <1194357795.2404.0.camel@rocket> Dnia 06-11-2007, wto o godzinie 09:56 +0200, Nicu Buculei pisze: > M??ir??n Duffy wrote: > > I have a non-animated one too, but - what do you think about this one? > > > > http://duffy.fedorapeople.org/art/web/f8-banner/f8-banner-animation.gif > > I like it, just I am not sure 200x100 is a standard size for banners. > > Very nice banner :) . -- Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek http://liviopl.jogger.pl/ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I think the ones we had for fc6 and f7 ended up in a lot of wasted whitespace.... ~m From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Tue Nov 6 15:47:01 2007 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2007 17:47:01 +0200 Subject: f8 banner for fpo In-Reply-To: <47307D74.1030504@redhat.com> References: <472FFC6B.4040005@redhat.com> <47301E1E.9010504@nicubunu.ro> <47307D74.1030504@redhat.com> Message-ID: <47308C75.9060702@nicubunu.ro> M?ir?n Duffy wrote: > Nicu Buculei wrote: >> I like it, just I am not sure 200x100 is a standard size for banners. > > Well, it's meant to replace the werewolf one and it's the same > dimensions as that one... does that make sense? Is it still a bad size? I understand that and is OK to keep the layout seamless before and after the release. > I think the ones we had for fc6 and f7 ended up in a lot of wasted > whitespace.... Maybe next time we use something like 180x60 with the added benefit of small file size of the image. -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From jayme.ayres at unopar.br Tue Nov 6 16:05:06 2007 From: jayme.ayres at unopar.br (Jayme Ayres) Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2007 14:05:06 -0200 Subject: Arts in Brazil Message-ID: <473090B2.5070100@unopar.br> Hi Folks, My contributions to Fedora Project in Brasil: Full internet banner: http://www.jaymeayres.com/arquivos/f8.gif Banner to 1st South American Abassadors Conference in Latinoware event www.latinoware.org - Foz do Igua?? - Brazil: http://www.jaymeayres.com/arquivos/f8_banner.jpg DVD Cover : http://www.jaymeayres.com/arquivos/f8dvd.jpg LiveCD Cover: http://www.jaymeayres.com/arquivos/f8live.jpg -- Jayme Ayres www.jaymeayres.com From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Tue Nov 6 16:38:53 2007 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2007 18:38:53 +0200 Subject: Arts in Brazil In-Reply-To: <473090B2.5070100@unopar.br> References: <473090B2.5070100@unopar.br> Message-ID: <4730989D.7010909@nicubunu.ro> Jayme Ayres wrote: > Hi Folks, Hi Jaime and welcome to the team! > My contributions to Fedora Project in Brasil: I saw a few of your works (CD/DVD labels) for F8 and past release, they are pretty good. And I just found your own website and I quite like your works, I think this wallpapers is very pretty: http://www.jaymeayres.com/arquivos/4elements1024x768_fedora.jpg I also see you are skilled with creating web layouts, Fedora could use that, we have a lot of requests for such tasks. > Full internet banner: > http://www.jaymeayres.com/arquivos/f8.gif If you don't mind, I have a small problem with this banner, the white frames make it flicker, which is not pleasant to my eye, I think a fade effect would be better (but I also understand the GIF limitations and the problem of large file sizes on web). -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From michael.d.beckwith at gmail.com Tue Nov 6 20:05:22 2007 From: michael.d.beckwith at gmail.com (Michael Beckwith) Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2007 15:05:22 -0500 Subject: F8 Features pdf Message-ID: <4730C902.1080501@gmail.com> I am in need of some help and/or suggestions for decoration of a pdf intended to display all of the upcoming features in Fedora 8. You can find what I have as of early this afternoon, at http://tw2113.fedorapeople.org/fed_overview/11-6.pdf I am wanting to get content placed first and then work on the appearance. If you would like to contribute some graphics, or look for ideas for some graphics, a good example would be Ubuntu's Full Circle Magazine. http://fullcirclemagazine.org If you would like to contribute some graphics to be used or ideas, feel free, I'll appreciate it. -- ~Michael http://ridleytx.structed.net (for now) http://michaelbox.net (eventually) From liviopl.pl at gmail.com Tue Nov 6 21:12:31 2007 From: liviopl.pl at gmail.com (Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek) Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2007 22:12:31 +0100 Subject: F8 Features pdf In-Reply-To: <4730C902.1080501@gmail.com> References: <4730C902.1080501@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1194383551.10559.0.camel@rocket> Hi, Nice, but change the font to non-serif. Dnia 06-11-2007, wto o godzinie 15:05 -0500, Michael Beckwith pisze: > I am in need of some help and/or suggestions for decoration of a pdf > intended to display all of the upcoming features in Fedora 8. You can > find what I have as of early this afternoon, at > > http://tw2113.fedorapeople.org/fed_overview/11-6.pdf > > I am wanting to get content placed first and then work on the > appearance. If you would like to contribute some graphics, or look for > ideas for some graphics, a good example would be Ubuntu's Full Circle > Magazine. > > http://fullcirclemagazine.org > > If you would like to contribute some graphics to be used or ideas, feel > free, I'll appreciate it. > -- Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek http://liviopl.jogger.pl/ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: To jest cz??? wiadomo?ci podpisana cyfrowo URL: From martin.sourada at seznam.cz Tue Nov 6 21:54:04 2007 From: martin.sourada at seznam.cz (Martin Sourada) Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2007 22:54:04 +0100 Subject: F8 Features pdf In-Reply-To: <4730C902.1080501@gmail.com> References: <4730C902.1080501@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1194386044.2730.59.camel@pc-notebook.kolej.mff.cuni.cz> On Tue, 2007-11-06 at 21:05 +0100, Michael Beckwith wrote: > I am in need of some help and/or suggestions for decoration of a pdf > intended to display all of the upcoming features in Fedora 8. You can > find what I have as of early this afternoon, at > > http://tw2113.fedorapeople.org/fed_overview/11-6.pdf > > I am wanting to get content placed first and then work on the > appearance. If you would like to contribute some graphics, or look for > ideas for some graphics, a good example would be Ubuntu's Full Circle > Magazine. > > http://fullcirclemagazine.org > > If you would like to contribute some graphics to be used or ideas, feel > free, I'll appreciate it. > Hi Michael, it looks quite nice, I would however prefer some things a bit different. First I don't like the fonts - the comic one has too narrow letters (I prefer wider ones, maybe even rather sans or serif than comic, try e.g. URW Gothic), the serif one is strange (it's DejaVu, isn't it?). Is it intended for print or for screen? If for print, set the serif font to something nicer, I'd maybe use some of the URW set (seems that URW Bookman could be nice). I'd also use smaller fonts for chapters - I usually use about 20 % bigger font than that of previous levels (e.g. 12pt for text, 17pt for chapters and 14pt for Sections). Or, if you want to look it techy, you can use the fonts from the Computer Modern set that are used by TeX. As for the layout, I think it's too tight. First I'd use wider page borders (about 1 inch each) and I would use wider space between the columns (maybe something between 1 cm and 0.5 in). I am aware that these changes will result in growing of the size (as how much paper is needed), but nicer looking text. Oh, and I just noticed, dunno for sure, but it could be good to turn words division on, or at least work a little on the text to avoid over too big spaces like in the 'learn more at' line (before http://chitlesh.fedorapeople.org/FEL/). Also I noticed, one of the hyperlinks is set in bold while the rest is set using standard glyphs, you should use bold (or italics) for all. Just my 2$, Martin From michael.d.beckwith at gmail.com Tue Nov 6 22:12:09 2007 From: michael.d.beckwith at gmail.com (Michael Beckwith) Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2007 17:12:09 -0500 Subject: F8 Features pdf In-Reply-To: <1194386044.2730.59.camel@pc-notebook.kolej.mff.cuni.cz> References: <4730C902.1080501@gmail.com> <1194386044.2730.59.camel@pc-notebook.kolej.mff.cuni.cz> Message-ID: <4730E6B9.9070301@gmail.com> Martin Sourada wrote: > First I don't like the fonts - the comic one has too narrow letters (I > prefer wider ones, maybe even rather sans or serif than comic, try e.g. > URW Gothic), the serif one is strange (it's DejaVu, isn't it?). Is it > intended for print or for screen? If for print, set the serif font to > something nicer, I'd maybe use some of the URW set (seems that URW > Bookman could be nice). I'd also use smaller fonts for chapters - I > usually use about 20 % bigger font than that of previous levels (e.g. > 12pt for text, 17pt for chapters and 14pt for Sections). Or, if you want > to look it techy, you can use the fonts from the Computer Modern set > that are used by TeX. > I changed the feature titles to URW Gothic 17 pt, and the body text to URW Bookman. Yes it was DejaVu at first, and the feature titles were MgModata. > As for the layout, I think it's too tight. First I'd use wider page > borders (about 1 inch each) and I would use wider space between the > columns (maybe something between 1 cm and 0.5 in). I am aware that these > changes will result in growing of the size (as how much paper is > needed), but nicer looking text. > I've always had a history of making layouts too tight, so I'll work on that as well. For the borders part, you'd like to see 1in margins? I can certainly adjust the gap between the columns though. > Oh, and I just noticed, dunno for sure, but it could be good to turn > words division on, or at least work a little on the text to avoid over > too big spaces like in the 'learn more at' line (before > http://chitlesh.fedorapeople.org/FEL/). > The gaps are caused by the use of justification alignment. Not sure where Word Division is but I haven't browsed all the menus yet. > Also I noticed, one of the hyperlinks is set in bold while the rest is > set using standard glyphs, you should use bold (or italics) for all. > Minor detail that I would have needed pointed out sooner or later, thanks for reminding me. -- ~Michael http://ridleytx.structed.net (for now) http://michaelbox.net (eventually) From michael.d.beckwith at gmail.com Wed Nov 7 00:53:19 2007 From: michael.d.beckwith at gmail.com (Michael Beckwith) Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2007 19:53:19 -0500 Subject: F8 Features pdf -UPDATED In-Reply-To: <1194386044.2730.59.camel@pc-notebook.kolej.mff.cuni.cz> References: <4730C902.1080501@gmail.com> <1194386044.2730.59.camel@pc-notebook.kolej.mff.cuni.cz> Message-ID: <47310C7F.7080809@gmail.com> Here's an updated pdf of what I have so far. From my count, it's about half done in regards to content being present. After that, styling B-). You know the requested routine http://tw2113.fedorapeople.org/fed_overview/11-6-evening.pdf ~Michael From liviopl.pl at gmail.com Wed Nov 7 06:01:41 2007 From: liviopl.pl at gmail.com (Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek) Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2007 07:01:41 +0100 Subject: F8 Features pdf -UPDATED In-Reply-To: <47310C7F.7080809@gmail.com> References: <4730C902.1080501@gmail.com> <1194386044.2730.59.camel@pc-notebook.kolej.mff.cuni.cz> <47310C7F.7080809@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1194415301.2304.0.camel@rocket> Nice. Dnia 06-11-2007, wto o godzinie 19:53 -0500, Michael Beckwith pisze: > Here's an updated pdf of what I have so far. From my count, it's about > half done in regards to content being present. After that, styling B-). > You know the requested routine > > http://tw2113.fedorapeople.org/fed_overview/11-6-evening.pdf > > ~Michael > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list -- Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek http://liviopl.jogger.pl/ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: To jest cz??? wiadomo?ci podpisana cyfrowo URL: From martin.sourada at seznam.cz Wed Nov 7 13:15:24 2007 From: martin.sourada at seznam.cz (Martin Sourada) Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2007 14:15:24 +0100 Subject: F8 Features pdf In-Reply-To: <4730E6B9.9070301@gmail.com> References: <4730C902.1080501@gmail.com> <1194386044.2730.59.camel@pc-notebook.kolej.mff.cuni.cz> <4730E6B9.9070301@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1194441324.2730.67.camel@pc-notebook.kolej.mff.cuni.cz> On Tue, 2007-11-06 at 23:12 +0100, Michael Beckwith wrote: > I've always had a history of making layouts too tight, so I'll work on > that as well. For the borders part, you'd like to see 1in margins? I can > certainly adjust the gap between the columns though. It's a habit caused by TeX default setting, so yes, I'd like to see 1 in margins, but it is not a necessity :) > The gaps are caused by the use of justification alignment. Not sure > where Word Division is but I haven't browsed all the menus yet. Yep, it is recommended that you use Word Division when you use the justification alignment... By the way, what application do you use to make the pdf? > > Also I noticed, one of the hyperlinks is set in bold while the rest is > > set using standard glyphs, you should use bold (or italics) for all. > > > Minor detail that I would have needed pointed out sooner or later, > thanks for reminding me. > Martin From stickster at gmail.com Wed Nov 7 15:25:13 2007 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2007 10:25:13 -0500 Subject: F8 Features pdf -UPDATED In-Reply-To: <47310C7F.7080809@gmail.com> References: <4730C902.1080501@gmail.com> <1194386044.2730.59.camel@pc-notebook.kolej.mff.cuni.cz> <47310C7F.7080809@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1194449113.14272.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Tue, 2007-11-06 at 19:53 -0500, Michael Beckwith wrote: > Here's an updated pdf of what I have so far. From my count, it's about > half done in regards to content being present. After that, styling B-). > You know the requested routine > > http://tw2113.fedorapeople.org/fed_overview/11-6-evening.pdf Why not post the source, as we always recommend for FOSS work? This would make it faster and easier for everyone to pitch in their ideas and knowledge. -- Paul W. Frields, RHCE http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 Fedora Project: http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From michael.d.beckwith at gmail.com Wed Nov 7 16:38:22 2007 From: michael.d.beckwith at gmail.com (Michael Beckwith) Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2007 11:38:22 -0500 Subject: F8 Features pdf In-Reply-To: <1194441324.2730.67.camel@pc-notebook.kolej.mff.cuni.cz> References: <4730C902.1080501@gmail.com> <1194386044.2730.59.camel@pc-notebook.kolej.mff.cuni.cz> <4730E6B9.9070301@gmail.com> <1194441324.2730.67.camel@pc-notebook.kolej.mff.cuni.cz> Message-ID: <4731E9FE.4070607@gmail.com> I'm using Scribus for it all. Martin Sourada wrote: > On Tue, 2007-11-06 at 23:12 +0100, Michael Beckwith wrote: > >> I've always had a history of making layouts too tight, so I'll work on >> that as well. For the borders part, you'd like to see 1in margins? I can >> certainly adjust the gap between the columns though. >> > It's a habit caused by TeX default setting, so yes, I'd like to see 1 in > margins, but it is not a necessity :) > > >> The gaps are caused by the use of justification alignment. Not sure >> where Word Division is but I haven't browsed all the menus yet. >> > Yep, it is recommended that you use Word Division when you use the > justification alignment... By the way, what application do you use to > make the pdf? > > >>> Also I noticed, one of the hyperlinks is set in bold while the rest is >>> set using standard glyphs, you should use bold (or italics) for all. >>> >>> >> Minor detail that I would have needed pointed out sooner or later, >> thanks for reminding me. >> >> > > Martin > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list > > -- ~Michael http://ridleytx.structed.net (for now) http://michaelbox.net (eventually) From michael.d.beckwith at gmail.com Wed Nov 7 16:43:15 2007 From: michael.d.beckwith at gmail.com (Michael Beckwith) Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2007 11:43:15 -0500 Subject: F8 Features pdf -UPDATED In-Reply-To: <1194449113.14272.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <4730C902.1080501@gmail.com> <1194386044.2730.59.camel@pc-notebook.kolej.mff.cuni.cz> <47310C7F.7080809@gmail.com> <1194449113.14272.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <4731EB23.50001@gmail.com> http://tw2113.fedorapeople.org/fed_overview/A4.sla I'll keep doing my own work on it but if someone wants to try some things. Paul W. Frields wrote: > On Tue, 2007-11-06 at 19:53 -0500, Michael Beckwith wrote: > >> Here's an updated pdf of what I have so far. From my count, it's about >> half done in regards to content being present. After that, styling B-). >> You know the requested routine >> >> http://tw2113.fedorapeople.org/fed_overview/11-6-evening.pdf >> > > Why not post the source, as we always recommend for FOSS work? This > would make it faster and easier for everyone to pitch in their ideas and > knowledge. > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list > -- ~Michael http://ridleytx.structed.net (for now) http://michaelbox.net (eventually) From michael.d.beckwith at gmail.com Wed Nov 7 20:27:49 2007 From: michael.d.beckwith at gmail.com (Michael Beckwith) Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2007 15:27:49 -0500 Subject: Mistake with the source file Message-ID: <47321FC5.5040307@gmail.com> Forgot that the images and whatnot would not go with the .sla file i sent earlier here's a tarball of the entire directory http://tw2113.fedorapeople.org/fed_overview/F8-Press-Release.tar.gz -- ~Michael http://ridleytx.structed.net (for now) http://michaelbox.net (eventually) From giacomo_succi at email.it Wed Nov 7 21:39:42 2007 From: giacomo_succi at email.it (Giacomo Succi) Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2007 22:39:42 +0100 Subject: CD Box Draft Message-ID: <4732309E.4000308@email.it> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hi everyone :)! The F8 is ready to be released. This is my first draft for a CD box. What you think of that? I'm going to prepare a similar thing for the slim CD box and the CD artwork it self :). All the comments/critics are welcome :)! http://succi.altervista.org/CD_Box_ArtWork.png http://succi.altervista.org/Box_ArtWork_CD_DVD_F8.svgz - -- Giacomo Succi - -*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*- Contacts: eMail: giacomo_succi at email.it; AIM: Anandir82 Y!: anandir82; ICQ: 135781176 J: Anandir at jabber.org; MSN: anandir at email.it Skype: anandir82 GPG: 0x52CDCA27 GPG Server: pool.sks-keyservers.net - -*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*- -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFHMjCeUda2pFLNyicRAnjDAKDTnsCarxf5qCoJ9Evt7HPmCb4mogCglONv ynsVtPJdh6GIztEx10Lgmk4= =m0Al -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- Email.it, the professional e-mail, gratis per te: http://www.email.it/f Sponsor: Problemi di Liquidit?? Con Logos Finanziaria 30.000 ? in 24 ore a dipendenti e lavoratori autonomi con rimborsi fino a 120 mesi clicca qui * Clicca qui: http://adv.email.it/cgi-bin/foclick.cgi?mid=2907&d=7-11 From liviopl.pl at gmail.com Wed Nov 7 21:48:13 2007 From: liviopl.pl at gmail.com (Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek) Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2007 22:48:13 +0100 Subject: CD Box Draft In-Reply-To: <4732309E.4000308@email.it> References: <4732309E.4000308@email.it> Message-ID: <1194472093.3462.0.camel@rocket> Distorted logo ("shadow"). Fix it. Dnia 07-11-2007, ?ro o godzinie 22:39 +0100, Giacomo Succi pisze: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Hi everyone :)! > The F8 is ready to be released. > This is my first draft for a CD box. > What you think of that? > I'm going to prepare a similar thing for the slim > CD box and the CD artwork it self :). > > All the comments/critics are welcome :)! > > http://succi.altervista.org/CD_Box_ArtWork.png > http://succi.altervista.org/Box_ArtWork_CD_DVD_F8.svgz > > - -- > Giacomo Succi > > - -*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*- > Contacts: > eMail: giacomo_succi at email.it; AIM: Anandir82 > Y!: anandir82; ICQ: 135781176 > J: Anandir at jabber.org; MSN: anandir at email.it > Skype: anandir82 > > GPG: 0x52CDCA27 > GPG Server: pool.sks-keyservers.net > - -*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*- > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (MingW32) > Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org > > iD8DBQFHMjCeUda2pFLNyicRAnjDAKDTnsCarxf5qCoJ9Evt7HPmCb4mogCglONv > ynsVtPJdh6GIztEx10Lgmk4= > =m0Al > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > > -- > Email.it, the professional e-mail, gratis per te: http://www.email.it/f > > Sponsor: > Problemi di Liquidit?? Con Logos Finanziaria 30.000 ? in 24 ore a dipendenti e lavoratori autonomi con rimborsi fino a 120 mesi clicca qui > * > Clicca qui: http://adv.email.it/cgi-bin/foclick.cgi?mid=2907&d=7-11 > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list -- Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek http://liviopl.jogger.pl/ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: To jest cz??? wiadomo?ci podpisana cyfrowo URL: From giacomo_succi at email.it Wed Nov 7 23:45:00 2007 From: giacomo_succi at email.it (Giacomo Succi) Date: Thu, 08 Nov 2007 00:45:00 +0100 Subject: CD Box Draft In-Reply-To: <1194472093.3462.0.camel@rocket> References: <4732309E.4000308@email.it> <1194472093.3462.0.camel@rocket> Message-ID: <47324DFC.2050600@email.it> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 > Distorted logo ("shadow"). Fix it. You are right :S. A fixed version is here: http://succi.altervista.org/Box_ArtWork_CD_DVD_F8_0x02.png http://succi.altervista.org/Box_ArtWork_CD_DVD_F8_0x02.svgz - -- Giacomo Succi - -*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*- Contacts: eMail: giacomo_succi at email.it; AIM: Anandir82 Y!: anandir82; ICQ: 135781176 J: Anandir at jabber.org; MSN: anandir at email.it Skype: anandir82 GPG: 0x52CDCA27 GPG Server: pool.sks-keyservers.net - -*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*- -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFHMk38Uda2pFLNyicRAqgxAJ9TFdDeBfERAfVbk95NKDbib2HQLgCfdi1d dXBYWUkGXRiRtnfkMP2Bgvs= =Rw32 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- Email.it, the professional e-mail, gratis per te: http://www.email.it/f Sponsor: Ricapil Capelli: Stop alla caduta, Via alla ricrescita, Garantito! * * Clicca qui: http://adv.email.it/cgi-bin/foclick.cgi?mid=7110&d=8-11 From michael.d.beckwith at gmail.com Wed Nov 7 23:21:03 2007 From: michael.d.beckwith at gmail.com (Michael Beckwith) Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2007 18:21:03 -0500 Subject: Fedora 8 PDF. Message-ID: <4732485F.1040901@gmail.com> This is a mass preliminary e-mail to three mailing lists. What I have done so far with the marketing PDF is get the content and images laid out and desiring feedback for it at this stage. After I get some technical critique and suggestions, I'll go ahead and work on visual presentation. Some notes that I have that I have seen is: -a need to seperate some of the feature paragraphs with a line or some sort of visual blockage so people know where to stop. -locate where "word divisions" is so that the justification of the text doesn't string out so much of the words in some areas. -decorate and also fill the 9th page with technical information. -find some image to use on the 1st page at the top. A header is needed. latest PDF: http://tw2113.fedorapeople.org/fed_overview/11-7.pdf tarball with all files: http://tw2113.fedorapeople.org/fed_overview/F8-Press-Release.tar.gz -- ~Michael http://ridleytx.structed.net (for now) http://michaelbox.net (eventually) From markg85 at gmail.com Thu Nov 8 00:33:31 2007 From: markg85 at gmail.com (Mark) Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2007 01:33:31 +0100 Subject: CD Box Draft In-Reply-To: <47324DFC.2050600@email.it> References: <4732309E.4000308@email.it> <1194472093.3462.0.camel@rocket> <47324DFC.2050600@email.it> Message-ID: <6e24a8e80711071633y2143c5e1xe220db1c55a38f05@mail.gmail.com> Could you make dvd box as well? From duffy at redhat.com Thu Nov 8 02:35:15 2007 From: duffy at redhat.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?M=E1ir=EDn_Duffy?=) Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2007 21:35:15 -0500 Subject: Fedora Media Label Designs Message-ID: <473275E3.6010800@redhat.com> Hey Nicu, Are you okay with these modifications I did for the DVD artwork to be sent to the printers? We are limited to two colors + white for that printing. I made it so the fonts match the other design too: http://duffy.fedorapeople.org/art/cd-labels/f8/dvd/all_layers_x86_preview.png What do you think? Hey folks, I finished the Live CD designs for Max to get screen printed professionally, they are here (these are color-separated for screen printing[1]): x86: http://duffy.fedorapeople.org/art/cd-labels/f8/live-cd/x86/white_livecd_x86.svg http://duffy.fedorapeople.org/art/cd-labels/f8/live-cd/common/pms541_livecd_common.svg http://duffy.fedorapeople.org/art/cd-labels/f8/live-cd/common/pms2935_livecd_common.svg x86_64: http://duffy.fedorapeople.org/art/cd-labels/f8/live-cd/64-bit/white_livecd_64bit.svg http://duffy.fedorapeople.org/art/cd-labels/f8/live-cd/common/pms541_livecd_common.svg http://duffy.fedorapeople.org/art/cd-labels/f8/live-cd/common/pms2935_livecd_common.svg ppc: http://duffy.fedorapeople.org/art/cd-labels/f8/live-cd/ppc/white_livecd_ppc.svg http://duffy.fedorapeople.org/art/cd-labels/f8/live-cd/common/pms541_livecd_common.svg http://duffy.fedorapeople.org/art/cd-labels/f8/live-cd/common/pms2935_livecd_common.svg The ones for inkjet printing are here: http://duffy.fedorapeople.org/art/cd-labels/f8/inkjet/ <= use these, there is one for each arch ppc, x86, x86_64 for both dvd and livecd (but these are the plain, not the cool werewolf one) If anyone wants to translate these they can use this as a template: http://duffy.fedorapeople.org/art/cd-labels/f8/inkjet/f8_common_nonpath_template.svg ~m [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Screen_printing From duffy at redhat.com Thu Nov 8 02:42:11 2007 From: duffy at redhat.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?M=E1ir=EDn_Duffy?=) Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2007 21:42:11 -0500 Subject: Fedora Media Label Designs In-Reply-To: <473275E3.6010800@redhat.com> References: <473275E3.6010800@redhat.com> Message-ID: <47327783.1060100@redhat.com> M?ir?n Duffy wrote: > The ones for inkjet printing are here: > > http://duffy.fedorapeople.org/art/cd-labels/f8/inkjet/ <= use these, > there is one for each arch ppc, x86, x86_64 for both dvd and livecd (but > these are the plain, not the cool werewolf one) I just replaced the plain DVD inkjet ones with werewolf versions. ~m From duffy at redhat.com Thu Nov 8 05:07:28 2007 From: duffy at redhat.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?M=E1ir=EDn_Duffy?=) Date: Thu, 08 Nov 2007 00:07:28 -0500 Subject: Fedora Media Label Designs In-Reply-To: <473275E3.6010800@redhat.com> References: <473275E3.6010800@redhat.com> Message-ID: <47329990.6020001@redhat.com> M?ir?n Duffy wrote: > Hey Nicu, > > Are you okay with these modifications I did for the DVD artwork to be > sent to the printers? We are limited to two colors + white for that > printing. I made it so the fonts match the other design too: > > http://duffy.fedorapeople.org/art/cd-labels/f8/dvd/all_layers_x86_preview.png Whoopsie, the 2 color one is here: http://duffy.fedorapeople.org/art/cd-labels/f8/color-separated/dvd/all_layers_x86_preview.png And here is a blinged up full color version (what do you think?) http://duffy.fedorapeople.org/art/cd-labels/f8/inkjet/dvd/fullcolor_preview.png ~m From jjmasek at gmail.com Thu Nov 8 05:12:36 2007 From: jjmasek at gmail.com (Jiri Jakub Masek) Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2007 06:12:36 +0100 Subject: Fedora Media Label Designs In-Reply-To: <47329990.6020001@redhat.com> References: <473275E3.6010800@redhat.com> <47329990.6020001@redhat.com> Message-ID: Hi folks, good work, funny! JJM 2007/11/8, M?ir?n Duffy : > > M?ir?n Duffy wrote: > > Hey Nicu, > > > > Are you okay with these modifications I did for the DVD artwork to be > > sent to the printers? We are limited to two colors + white for that > > printing. I made it so the fonts match the other design too: > > > > > http://duffy.fedorapeople.org/art/cd-labels/f8/dvd/all_layers_x86_preview.png > > Whoopsie, the 2 color one is here: > > > http://duffy.fedorapeople.org/art/cd-labels/f8/color-separated/dvd/all_layers_x86_preview.png > > And here is a blinged up full color version (what do you think?) > > > http://duffy.fedorapeople.org/art/cd-labels/f8/inkjet/dvd/fullcolor_preview.png > > ~m > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list > -- I'm still learning English... Ji?? Jakub Ma?ek - Mr Jiri Jakub Masek Moravia, Czech Republic, European Union -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I took out the DVD label and architecture - it will be cheaper to print these if there is one design and stickers are applied to the outside of the pcakaging to tell if it is live cd or dvd and what arch it is. (actually at least in the US we are only having x86 printed up) Anyway here are my modifications: http://duffy.fedorapeople.org/art/cd-labels/f8/box/box-artwork-f8_mizmo.png http://duffy.fedorapeople.org/art/cd-labels/f8/box/Box_ArtWork_CD_DVD_F8_mizmo.svg Great work Giacomo... although it appears you used Windows to make the design though!!!! :( ;) ~m From giacomo_succi at email.it Wed Nov 7 21:20:40 2007 From: giacomo_succi at email.it (Giacomo Succi) Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2007 22:20:40 +0100 Subject: CD Box Draft Message-ID: <47322C28.2080705@email.it> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hi everyone :)! The F8 is ready to be released. This is my first draft for a CD box. What you think of that? 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(I reply I abit late, I see you already blogged about it, well done) > Whoopsie, the 2 color one is here: > > http://duffy.fedorapeople.org/art/cd-labels/f8/color-separated/dvd/all_layers_x86_preview.png > > > And here is a blinged up full color version (what do you think?) > > http://duffy.fedorapeople.org/art/cd-labels/f8/inkjet/dvd/fullcolor_preview.png Yup, awesome! -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From giacomo_succi at email.it Thu Nov 8 11:32:18 2007 From: giacomo_succi at email.it (Giacomo Succi) Date: Thu, 08 Nov 2007 12:32:18 +0100 Subject: CD Box Draft In-Reply-To: <4732A051.7020906@redhat.com> References: <4732309E.4000308@email.it> <1194472093.3462.0.camel@rocket> <47324DFC.2050600@email.it> <4732A051.7020906@redhat.com> Message-ID: <4732F3C2.7050002@email.it> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 > Could you make dvd box as well? Sure :)! > Hi Giacomo! I really like your layout! I made a few modifications > with the fonts - I used a darker version of the background image, > and I made it so the tail of the light stream will continue onto > the back somewhat seamlessly. It's simply amazing O_O!!!! When a person IS an artist... I love your version. It have a great visual impact! > I took out the DVD label and architecture - it will be cheaper to > print these if there is one design and stickers are applied to the > outside of the pcakaging to tell if it is live cd or dvd and what > arch it is. (actually at least in the US we are only having x86 > printed up) Ok. That's good to know for next work :). > Anyway here are my modifications: > http://duffy.fedorapeople.org/art/cd-labels/f8/box/box-artwork-f8_mizmo.png > > http://duffy.fedorapeople.org/art/cd-labels/f8/box/Box_ArtWork_CD_DVD_F8_mizmo.svg > I use your modifications for all the other work (dvd box, cd slim stuff, and for the DVD itself). > Great work Giacomo... although it appears you used Windows to make > the design though!!!! :( ;) Ahahahah. Nope. If you remember I've send you a draft I've done for OpenSuSE. That file was done in Windows. I don't wish to recreate the CD box layout from scratch I've use the same file :P. But all the work for Fedora is done in my Fedora box^^. Later in the day I hope to send, to the list, all the links for all the other stuff. I hope... > ~m Happy Fedoring^^! - -- Giacomo Succi - -*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*- Contacts: eMail: giacomo_succi at email.it; AIM: Anandir82 Y!: anandir82; ICQ: 135781176 J: Anandir at jabber.org; MSN: anandir at email.it Skype: anandir82 GPG: 0x52CDCA27 GPG Server: pool.sks-keyservers.net - -*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*- -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFHMvPCUda2pFLNyicRAp9/AJ9luQ7Q/YihipEcat2e7vrjBbYEtwCgyjEl u6xop0Z72Wu/UX1hetW5bXw= =ZyN+ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- Email.it, the professional e-mail, gratis per te: http://www.email.it/f Sponsor: Solo 250 Euro per fare pubblicita' alla tua azienda! Scopri come Clicca qui: http://adv.email.it/cgi-bin/foclick.cgi?mid=7180&d=8-11 From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Thu Nov 8 20:31:56 2007 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Fri, 09 Nov 2007 02:01:56 +0530 Subject: Fedora 8 review: Comments on Nodoka Message-ID: <4733723C.2040106@fedoraproject.org> Hi We might want to tweak the theme a bit more. http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20071108-an-old-hat-with-new-tricks-fedora-8-officially-released.html "Fedora 8 also has a new visual style called Nodoka that mixes beige and bright blue. It has light gradients, subdued scrollbars, and gradients on inactive tabs. The only visual oddity in Nodoka is the use of green for the checkmark in checkboxes even though filled in radio buttons use blue" Rahul From svbrand at alumnos.inf.utfsm.cl Mon Nov 12 02:18:36 2007 From: svbrand at alumnos.inf.utfsm.cl (Sven von Brand) Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2007 23:18:36 -0300 Subject: Greetings from Chile Message-ID: <4737B7FC.4080800@alumnos.inf.utfsm.cl> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hi everyone, My name is Sven and I'm new to this list, I've been using Fedora since Fedora Core 3 and now I'm looking to give something back, so I entered the wiki and saw the posibility wasn't that far. I'm a 3rd year student of informatics here in Chile and we use Fedora at my university, I'm currently working a lot with blender and a little bit with gimp, and have given some presentations about blender. I would like to help, especially in the look and feel of Fedora. greetings - -- Sven von Brand -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFHN7f8ZidiNzdJByERAh65AJ9DK+/yE02Ex4GvfIORq4+R0AedMgCeIQsX Egw4N/3WHsoM49Ogv5m4pCs= =X/nu -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From duffy at redhat.com Mon Nov 12 02:52:31 2007 From: duffy at redhat.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?M=E1ir=EDn_Duffy?=) Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2007 21:52:31 -0500 Subject: Greetings from Chile In-Reply-To: <4737B7FC.4080800@alumnos.inf.utfsm.cl> References: <4737B7FC.4080800@alumnos.inf.utfsm.cl> Message-ID: <4737BFEF.4060106@redhat.com> Hi Sven! Sven von Brand wrote: > My name is Sven and I'm new to this list, I've been > using Fedora since Fedora Core 3 and now I'm looking to give > something back, so I entered the wiki and saw the posibility > wasn't that far. I'm a 3rd year student of informatics here > in Chile and we use Fedora at my university, I'm currently > working a lot with blender and a little bit with gimp, and > have given some presentations about blender. > > I would like to help, especially in the look and feel of > Fedora. > Great to meet you! We can definitely use your help! Here's all the stuff you'll need to do to start contributing right away: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork#Join If you want to get your feet wet, we have a little design queue on our wiki, feel free to grab any unfinished requests: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/DesignService We just finished with Fedora 8... as far as the Fedora 9 theming goes we haven't even started but if you have any ideas please feel free to start a thread here on list! Welcome to the team! ~m From svbrand at alumnos.inf.utfsm.cl Mon Nov 12 04:25:57 2007 From: svbrand at alumnos.inf.utfsm.cl (Sven von Brand) Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2007 01:25:57 -0300 Subject: Greetings from Chile In-Reply-To: <4737BFEF.4060106@redhat.com> References: <4737B7FC.4080800@alumnos.inf.utfsm.cl> <4737BFEF.4060106@redhat.com> Message-ID: <4737D5D5.3000609@alumnos.inf.utfsm.cl> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 M?ir?n Duffy wrote: > [...] > > Great to meet you! We can definitely use your help! > Here's all the stuff you'll need to do to start contributing right away: > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork#Join I'm currently waiting for aproval for the edit group, I listed myself at the queue http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/EditGroupQueue > If you want to get your feet wet, we have a little design queue on our > wiki, feel free to grab any unfinished requests: > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/DesignService > > We just finished with Fedora 8... as far as the Fedora 9 theming goes we > haven't even started but if you have any ideas please feel free to start > a thread here on list! > > Welcome to the team! Thanks for the warm welcome!! and the guidance - -- Sven von Brand -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFHN9XVZidiNzdJByERAiPCAJ4ysO5VGDYFCj4bkQOuYDGy/Kt7XwCgnAhj gn+EHsxBphRx8r1dGYxcpNo= =wECn -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From duffy at redhat.com Mon Nov 12 04:57:36 2007 From: duffy at redhat.com (=?UTF-8?B?TcOhaXLDrW4gRHVmZnk=?=) Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2007 23:57:36 -0500 Subject: Greetings from Chile In-Reply-To: <4737D5D5.3000609@alumnos.inf.utfsm.cl> References: <4737B7FC.4080800@alumnos.inf.utfsm.cl> <4737BFEF.4060106@redhat.com> <4737D5D5.3000609@alumnos.inf.utfsm.cl> Message-ID: <4737DD40.7000007@redhat.com> Sven von Brand wrote: > I'm currently waiting for aproval for the edit group, I listed myself at > the queue > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/EditGroupQueue > You should be in the EditGroup now :) ~m From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Mon Nov 12 17:04:28 2007 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2007 22:34:28 +0530 Subject: [Fwd: F8 Nodoka Engine Animation Disabled by Default] Message-ID: <4738879C.60308@fedoraproject.org> An embedded message was scrubbed... From: Marc Schwartz Subject: F8 Nodoka Engine Animation Disabled by Default Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2007 12:30:07 -0600 Size: 4469 URL: From martin.sourada at seznam.cz Mon Nov 12 18:00:00 2007 From: martin.sourada at seznam.cz (Martin Sourada) Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2007 19:00:00 +0100 Subject: [Fwd: F8 Nodoka Engine Animation Disabled by Default] In-Reply-To: <4738879C.60308@fedoraproject.org> References: <4738879C.60308@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <1194890401.2769.2.camel@pc-notebook.kolej.mff.cuni.cz> On Mon, 2007-11-12 at 18:04 +0100, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > email message attachment (F8 Nodoka Engine Animation Disabled by > Default.eml) > > -------- Forwarded Message -------- > > From: Marc Schwartz > > Reply-To: For users of Fedora > > To: fedora-list at redhat.com > > Subject: F8 Nodoka Engine Animation Disabled by Default > > Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2007 12:30:07 -0600 > > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list > Quoting Matthias Clasen from the review request [1]: "- please don't --enable-animation. I as the gtk2 maintainer am going to veto any theme engine that tries to do that behind the toolkits or apps back." So I disabled it. Martin References: [1] https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=248163#c2 From liviopl.pl at gmail.com Mon Nov 12 18:02:27 2007 From: liviopl.pl at gmail.com (Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek) Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2007 19:02:27 +0100 Subject: [Fwd: F8 Nodoka Engine Animation Disabled by Default] In-Reply-To: <1194890401.2769.2.camel@pc-notebook.kolej.mff.cuni.cz> References: <4738879C.60308@fedoraproject.org> <1194890401.2769.2.camel@pc-notebook.kolej.mff.cuni.cz> Message-ID: <1194890547.4500.0.camel@rocket> But why animations should be disabled? Any good reasons? Maybe animations in GTK engines are using fancy technique? I don't know... Dnia 12-11-2007, pon o godzinie 19:00 +0100, Martin Sourada pisze: > On Mon, 2007-11-12 at 18:04 +0100, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > > email message attachment (F8 Nodoka Engine Animation Disabled by > > Default.eml) > > > -------- Forwarded Message -------- > > > From: Marc Schwartz > > > Reply-To: For users of Fedora > > > To: fedora-list at redhat.com > > > Subject: F8 Nodoka Engine Animation Disabled by Default > > > Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2007 12:30:07 -0600 > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Fedora-art-list mailing list > > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list > > > Quoting Matthias Clasen from the review request [1]: > > "- please don't --enable-animation. I as the gtk2 maintainer am going to veto > any theme engine that tries to do that behind the toolkits or apps back." > > So I disabled it. > > Martin > > References: > [1] https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=248163#c2 > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list -- (o_ Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek //\ Fedora Project || | V_/_ http://liviopl.jogger.pl/ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: To jest cz??? wiadomo?ci podpisana cyfrowo URL: From baerjj at gmail.com Mon Nov 12 18:06:16 2007 From: baerjj at gmail.com (John Baer) Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2007 13:06:16 -0500 Subject: Fedora 8 - Nice Job Message-ID: <1194890776.6095.2.camel@baerj-desktop> Mo, Nicu, and others, Just wanted to say "Job Well Done"! IMO Fedora 8 has a tasteful professional appearance that will be well received. Cheers, John From liviopl.pl at gmail.com Mon Nov 12 18:10:21 2007 From: liviopl.pl at gmail.com (Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek) Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2007 19:10:21 +0100 Subject: Fedora 8 - Nice Job In-Reply-To: <1194890776.6095.2.camel@baerj-desktop> References: <1194890776.6095.2.camel@baerj-desktop> Message-ID: <1194891021.4628.2.camel@rocket> I also think Fedora looks... How to say it original way... BEAUTIFUL :] . Don't like Codeina - it proposes Fluendo and commercial codecs instead of OpenSource codecs, but I always make my Fedora Desktop from Terminal, with yum, so I don't care... Dnia 12-11-2007, pon o godzinie 13:06 -0500, John Baer pisze: > Mo, Nicu, and others, > > Just wanted to say "Job Well Done"! 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How to say it original way... > BEAUTIFUL :] . > > Don't like Codeina - it proposes Fluendo and commercial codecs instead > of OpenSource codecs, but I always make my Fedora Desktop from Terminal, > with yum, so I don't care... > > Dnia 12-11-2007, pon o godzinie 13:06 -0500, John Baer pisze: > >> Mo, Nicu, and others, >> >> Just wanted to say "Job Well Done"! IMO Fedora 8 has a tasteful >> professional appearance that will be well received. >> >> Cheers, >> >> John >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Fedora-art-list mailing list >> Fedora-art-list at redhat.com >> http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Fedora-art-list mailing list >> Fedora-art-list at redhat.com >> http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list >> -- ~Michael http://ridleytx.structed.net (for now) http://michaelbox.net (eventually) From mclasen at redhat.com Mon Nov 12 18:37:10 2007 From: mclasen at redhat.com (Matthias Clasen) Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2007 13:37:10 -0500 Subject: [Fwd: F8 Nodoka Engine Animation Disabled by Default] In-Reply-To: <1194890547.4500.0.camel@rocket> References: <4738879C.60308@fedoraproject.org> <1194890401.2769.2.camel@pc-notebook.kolej.mff.cuni.cz> <1194890547.4500.0.camel@rocket> Message-ID: <1194892630.2894.19.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Mon, 2007-11-12 at 19:02 +0100, Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek wrote: > But why animations should be disabled? Any good reasons? > Maybe animations in GTK engines are using fancy technique? > I don't know... > Doing animations from a theme engine is not a supportable feature. To do animations you have to hook into the applications main loop, and that can interfere with what the application is doing. And guess who gets blamed if this breaks the application or just looks terrible ? (Hint: it is usually not the theme) Matthias From liviopl.pl at gmail.com Mon Nov 12 19:01:50 2007 From: liviopl.pl at gmail.com (Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek) Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2007 20:01:50 +0100 Subject: F9 Name Proposal Message-ID: <1194894110.5086.0.camel@rocket> Simply - Owl, Nightbird, Humming or Bird :) . -- (o_ Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek //\ Fedora Project || | V_/_ http://liviopl.jogger.pl/ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Any good reasons? > > Maybe animations in GTK engines are using fancy technique? > > I don't know... > > > > Doing animations from a theme engine is not a supportable feature. > To do animations you have to hook into the applications main loop, > and that can interfere with what the application is doing. > > And guess who gets blamed if this breaks the application or just > looks terrible ? (Hint: it is usually not the theme) > > Matthias > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list -- (o_ Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek //\ Fedora Project || | V_/_ http://liviopl.jogger.pl/ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I as the gtk2 maintainer am going to veto > any theme engine that tries to do that behind the toolkits or apps back." > > So I disabled it. > > Martin > > References: > [1] https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=248163#c2 Martin, Thanks for your reply and thanks to Rahul for FWD'ing my post here. I can appreciate Matthias' comments as he notes in the subsequent posts in this thread. Thanks for the clarification. In thinking about it, I suppose the animation is also somewhat "KDE-like" and thus might be an issue as well. ;-) Regards, Marc From martin.sourada at seznam.cz Mon Nov 12 19:29:51 2007 From: martin.sourada at seznam.cz (Martin Sourada) Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2007 20:29:51 +0100 Subject: F9 Name Proposal In-Reply-To: <1194894110.5086.0.camel@rocket> References: <1194894110.5086.0.camel@rocket> Message-ID: <1194895791.2769.6.camel@pc-notebook.kolej.mff.cuni.cz> On Mon, 2007-11-12 at 20:01 +0100, Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek wrote: > Simply - Owl, Nightbird, Humming or Bird :) . > I would go for Nosferatu [1] (nice connection to Werewolf)... References: [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nosferatu_%28word%29 From liviopl.pl at gmail.com Mon Nov 12 19:36:18 2007 From: liviopl.pl at gmail.com (Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek) Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2007 20:36:18 +0100 Subject: F9 Name Proposal In-Reply-To: <1194895791.2769.6.camel@pc-notebook.kolej.mff.cuni.cz> References: <1194894110.5086.0.camel@rocket> <1194895791.2769.6.camel@pc-notebook.kolej.mff.cuni.cz> Message-ID: <1194896178.5620.1.camel@rocket> Nosferatu? Dracula is nicer than Nosferatu. Also, N. is so classic and oldschool. I wonder if Fedora go a dreamy... not scary way :] . Dnia 12-11-2007, pon o godzinie 20:29 +0100, Martin Sourada pisze: > On Mon, 2007-11-12 at 20:01 +0100, Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek wrote: > > Simply - Owl, Nightbird, Humming or Bird :) . > > > > I would go for Nosferatu [1] (nice connection to Werewolf)... > > > References: > [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nosferatu_%28word%29 > > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list -- (o_ Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek //\ Fedora Project || | V_/_ http://liviopl.jogger.pl/ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Also, N. is so classic and > oldschool. > > I wonder if Fedora go a dreamy... not scary way :] . > > Dnia 12-11-2007, pon o godzinie 20:29 +0100, Martin Sourada pisze: > > On Mon, 2007-11-12 at 20:01 +0100, Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek wrote: > > > Simply - Owl, Nightbird, Humming or Bird :) . > > > > > > > I would go for Nosferatu [1] (nice connection to Werewolf)... > > > > > > References: > > [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nosferatu_%28word%29 > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Fedora-art-list mailing list > > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list > -- > (o_ Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek > //\ Fedora Project > || | > V_/_ http://liviopl.jogger.pl/ > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list > > > -- tatica Maria Gracia Leandro http://www.tatica.org http://www.iseit.net http://www.latinux.org http://www.fedora-ve.org http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/MariaLeandro LinuxUser= 440285 GPG Public Key: E1CDCC56 "Be yourself... 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Dnia 12-11-2007, pon o godzinie 10:54 -0900, Jeff Spaleta pisze: > Unicorn, like a werewolf is a mythical creature. > > -jef"and the best high school sports mascot ever"spaleta > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list -- (o_ Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek //\ Fedora Project || | V_/_ http://liviopl.jogger.pl/ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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And i think we can all agree that more purple would be a good thing. -jef"Once you go purple, you never go back"spaleta From giacomo_succi at email.it Mon Nov 12 20:26:00 2007 From: giacomo_succi at email.it (Giacomo Succi) Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2007 21:26:00 +0100 Subject: F9 Name Proposal In-Reply-To: <1194895791.2769.6.camel@pc-notebook.kolej.mff.cuni.cz> References: <1194894110.5086.0.camel@rocket> <1194895791.2769.6.camel@pc-notebook.kolej.mff.cuni.cz> Message-ID: <4738B6D8.7010609@email.it> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 > On Mon, 2007-11-12 at 20:01 +0100, Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek wrote: > Simply - Owl, Nightbird, Humming or Bird :) . +1 for Nightbird or something like that :)! > Martin Sourada wrote: I would go for Nosferatu [1] (nice connection > to Werewolf)... That's true. Good suggestion, but... But we, I guess, are not so interested in create a lot of Fedoras related to Vampire/Werewolf myth. Since F7 (I see) a strong relation to the night rather a myth relation. So, I guess, the road is something related to the night, not to a particular myth. I don't know if I am right or not. That's are only my 2 cents^^! Happy Fedoring^^! - -- Giacomo Succi - -*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*- Contacts: eMail: giacomo_succi at email.it; AIM: Anandir82 Y!: anandir82; ICQ: 135781176 J: Anandir at jabber.org; MSN: anandir at email.it Skype: anandir82 GPG: 0x52CDCA27 GPG Server: pool.sks-keyservers.net - -*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*- -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFHOLbXUda2pFLNyicRAr9dAJ0bynMqwL42uELOAXwpBhO57EJLHwCfeEQe dumCpcRpBKPDjP9e8pQhkUc= =YOic -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- Email.it, the professional e-mail, gratis per te: http://www.email.it/f Sponsor: 1bitmore Newsletter, il metodo pi? facile e conveniente per le tue campagne di email marketing. * Prova gratuitamente il servizio per 30 giorni! * Clicca qui: http://adv.email.it/cgi-bin/foclick.cgi?mid=7183&d=12-11 From ljuwaida at fedoraproject.org Mon Nov 12 20:25:34 2007 From: ljuwaida at fedoraproject.org (Laith Juwaidah) Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 00:25:34 +0400 Subject: F9 Name Proposal In-Reply-To: <1194897525.5877.0.camel@rocket> References: <1194894110.5086.0.camel@rocket> <604aa7910711121154j39cb422dy5d882126d5b789c6@mail.gmail.com> <1194897525.5877.0.camel@rocket> Message-ID: <200711130025.34500.ljuwaida@fedoraproject.org> On Monday 12 November 2007 23:58:45 Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek wrote: > Myths... Maybe Athena, Mars, Zeus/Dzeus or others? > Please, don't... > > Dnia 12-11-2007, pon o godzinie 10:54 -0900, Jeff Spaleta pisze: > > Unicorn, like a werewolf is a mythical creature. > > > > -jef"and the best high school sports mascot ever"spaleta > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Fedora-art-list mailing list > > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list Why does it have to be Mozila-applications-like names? ThunderBird! FireFox! GreaseMonkey! FlyingCow! SingingDog! BarkingDove! GlowingBull! ThinkingMouse! SqueakingRabbit! HissingKangaroo! :P I admit that these names are funny and cool, but... OK! How about something that is actually happening? It's name should be inspired by what's happening, or what to expect from it, for example, if we're expecting F9 to revolutionize the way we deal with comps :-/ It should be called "Revolution"... But, to go with the flow, do you guys like the name "Mocking Bird"? I don't know what that bird is, but I like a song called the mocking bird :) -- Laith Juwaidah http://www.ljuwaidah.org/ From marc_schwartz at comcast.net Mon Nov 12 20:27:05 2007 From: marc_schwartz at comcast.net (Marc Schwartz) Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2007 14:27:05 -0600 Subject: F9 Name Proposal References: <1194894110.5086.0.camel@rocket> <604aa7910711121154j39cb422dy5d882126d5b789c6@mail.gmail.com> <1194897525.5877.0.camel@rocket> Message-ID: "Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek" writes: > Myths... Maybe Athena, Mars, Zeus/Dzeus or others? > Please, don't... > > Dnia 12-11-2007, pon o godzinie 10:54 -0900, Jeff Spaleta pisze: >> Unicorn, like a werewolf is a mythical creature. >> >> -jef"and the best high school sports mascot ever"spaleta How about Bellerophon? Not only a mythical and heroic figure, but a name from my all time favorite sci-fi movie "Forbidden Planet". Also, my current system host name: $ echo $HOSTNAME Bellerophon ;-) Marc From mclasen at redhat.com Mon Nov 12 20:37:41 2007 From: mclasen at redhat.com (Matthias Clasen) Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2007 15:37:41 -0500 Subject: F9 Name Proposal In-Reply-To: <604aa7910711121225j72f1b13aw1fbffdaf3be5c8a0@mail.gmail.com> References: <1194894110.5086.0.camel@rocket> <604aa7910711121154j39cb422dy5d882126d5b789c6@mail.gmail.com> <604aa7910711121225j72f1b13aw1fbffdaf3be5c8a0@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1194899861.26796.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Mon, 2007-11-12 at 11:25 -0900, Jeff Spaleta wrote: > On Nov 12, 2007 10:54 AM, Jeff Spaleta wrote: > > Unicorn, like a werewolf is a mythical creature. > > > > -jef"and the best high school sports mascot ever"spaleta > > > > > Plus, unicorns give you a legitimate reason to use a purple-y color > palette! And i think we can all agree that more purple would be a > good thing. Don't you mean gray ? http://www.gifttrap.com/images/Rhino_Kenya.jpg From martin.sourada at seznam.cz Mon Nov 12 20:39:52 2007 From: martin.sourada at seznam.cz (Martin Sourada) Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2007 21:39:52 +0100 Subject: F9 Name Proposal In-Reply-To: <1194899861.26796.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1194894110.5086.0.camel@rocket> <604aa7910711121154j39cb422dy5d882126d5b789c6@mail.gmail.com> <604aa7910711121225j72f1b13aw1fbffdaf3be5c8a0@mail.gmail.com> <1194899861.26796.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1194899992.2769.8.camel@pc-notebook.kolej.mff.cuni.cz> On Mon, 2007-11-12 at 21:37 +0100, Matthias Clasen wrote: > On Mon, 2007-11-12 at 11:25 -0900, Jeff Spaleta wrote: > > On Nov 12, 2007 10:54 AM, Jeff Spaleta wrote: > > > Unicorn, like a werewolf is a mythical creature. > > > > > > -jef"and the best high school sports mascot ever"spaleta > > > > > > > > > Plus, unicorns give you a legitimate reason to use a purple-y color > > palette! And i think we can all agree that more purple would be a > > good thing. > > Don't you mean gray ? > > http://www.gifttrap.com/images/Rhino_Kenya.jpg > > Maybe he means pink http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Invisible_Pink_Unicorn From liviopl.pl at gmail.com Mon Nov 12 20:42:02 2007 From: liviopl.pl at gmail.com (Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek) Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2007 21:42:02 +0100 Subject: F9 Name Proposal In-Reply-To: <200711130025.34500.ljuwaida@fedoraproject.org> References: <1194894110.5086.0.camel@rocket> <604aa7910711121154j39cb422dy5d882126d5b789c6@mail.gmail.com> <1194897525.5877.0.camel@rocket> <200711130025.34500.ljuwaida@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <1194900122.6115.0.camel@rocket> Revolution... I like it. I have idea for wallpaper for Revolution code name. Black whole :] . Dnia 13-11-2007, wto o godzinie 00:25 +0400, Laith Juwaidah pisze: > On Monday 12 November 2007 23:58:45 Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek wrote: > > Myths... Maybe Athena, Mars, Zeus/Dzeus or others? > > Please, don't... > > > > Dnia 12-11-2007, pon o godzinie 10:54 -0900, Jeff Spaleta pisze: > > > Unicorn, like a werewolf is a mythical creature. > > > > > > -jef"and the best high school sports mascot ever"spaleta > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Fedora-art-list mailing list > > > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > > > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list > > Why does it have to be Mozila-applications-like names? > ThunderBird! FireFox! GreaseMonkey! FlyingCow! SingingDog! BarkingDove! > GlowingBull! ThinkingMouse! SqueakingRabbit! HissingKangaroo! :P > I admit that these names are funny and cool, but... OK! How about something > that is actually happening? It's name should be inspired by what's happening, > or what to expect from it, for example, if we're expecting F9 to > revolutionize the way we deal with comps :-/ It should be > called "Revolution"... > > But, to go with the flow, do you guys like the name "Mocking Bird"? I don't > know what that bird is, but I like a song called the mocking bird :) > -- (o_ Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek //\ Fedora Project || | V_/_ http://liviopl.jogger.pl/ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: To jest cz??? wiadomo?ci podpisana cyfrowo URL: From liviopl.pl at gmail.com Mon Nov 12 20:42:29 2007 From: liviopl.pl at gmail.com (Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek) Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2007 21:42:29 +0100 Subject: F9 Name Proposal In-Reply-To: <604aa7910711121225j72f1b13aw1fbffdaf3be5c8a0@mail.gmail.com> References: <1194894110.5086.0.camel@rocket> <604aa7910711121154j39cb422dy5d882126d5b789c6@mail.gmail.com> <604aa7910711121225j72f1b13aw1fbffdaf3be5c8a0@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1194900149.6115.2.camel@rocket> Use pink xD . Dnia 12-11-2007, pon o godzinie 11:25 -0900, Jeff Spaleta pisze: > On Nov 12, 2007 10:54 AM, Jeff Spaleta wrote: > > Unicorn, like a werewolf is a mythical creature. > > > > -jef"and the best high school sports mascot ever"spaleta > > > > > Plus, unicorns give you a legitimate reason to use a purple-y color > palette! And i think we can all agree that more purple would be a > good thing. > > -jef"Once you go purple, you never go back"spaleta > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list -- (o_ Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek //\ Fedora Project || | V_/_ http://liviopl.jogger.pl/ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: To jest cz??? wiadomo?ci podpisana cyfrowo URL: From liviopl.pl at gmail.com Mon Nov 12 20:43:39 2007 From: liviopl.pl at gmail.com (Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek) Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2007 21:43:39 +0100 Subject: F9 Name Proposal In-Reply-To: References: <1194894110.5086.0.camel@rocket> <604aa7910711121154j39cb422dy5d882126d5b789c6@mail.gmail.com> <1194897525.5877.0.camel@rocket> Message-ID: <1194900219.6115.4.camel@rocket> Nabuhodonosor... It sounds like Bellerophon for me. Dnia 12-11-2007, pon o godzinie 14:27 -0600, Marc Schwartz pisze: > "Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek" writes: > > > Myths... Maybe Athena, Mars, Zeus/Dzeus or others? > > Please, don't... > > > > Dnia 12-11-2007, pon o godzinie 10:54 -0900, Jeff Spaleta pisze: > >> Unicorn, like a werewolf is a mythical creature. > >> > >> -jef"and the best high school sports mascot ever"spaleta > > > How about Bellerophon? > > Not only a mythical and heroic figure, but a name from my all time favorite > sci-fi movie "Forbidden Planet". Also, my current system host name: > > $ echo $HOSTNAME > Bellerophon > > ;-) > > Marc > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list -- (o_ Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek //\ Fedora Project || | V_/_ http://liviopl.jogger.pl/ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Dnia 12-11-2007, pon o godzinie 21:39 +0100, Martin Sourada pisze: > On Mon, 2007-11-12 at 21:37 +0100, Matthias Clasen wrote: > > On Mon, 2007-11-12 at 11:25 -0900, Jeff Spaleta wrote: > > > On Nov 12, 2007 10:54 AM, Jeff Spaleta wrote: > > > > Unicorn, like a werewolf is a mythical creature. > > > > > > > > -jef"and the best high school sports mascot ever"spaleta > > > > > > > > > > > > > Plus, unicorns give you a legitimate reason to use a purple-y color > > > palette! And i think we can all agree that more purple would be a > > > good thing. > > > > Don't you mean gray ? > > > > http://www.gifttrap.com/images/Rhino_Kenya.jpg > > > > > > Maybe he means pink > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Invisible_Pink_Unicorn > > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list -- (o_ Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek //\ Fedora Project || | V_/_ http://liviopl.jogger.pl/ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I don't want to have kid-styled Fedora. > I'll be fighting, believe me - it's reason you'll hate me. > > Dnia 12-11-2007, pon o godzinie 21:39 +0100, Martin Sourada pisze: > > On Mon, 2007-11-12 at 21:37 +0100, Matthias Clasen wrote: > > > On Mon, 2007-11-12 at 11:25 -0900, Jeff Spaleta wrote: > > > > On Nov 12, 2007 10:54 AM, Jeff Spaleta wrote: > > > > > Unicorn, like a werewolf is a mythical creature. > > > > > > > > > > -jef"and the best high school sports mascot ever"spaleta > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Plus, unicorns give you a legitimate reason to use a purple-y color > > > > palette! And i think we can all agree that more purple would be a > > > > good thing. > > > > > > Don't you mean gray ? > > > > > > http://www.gifttrap.com/images/Rhino_Kenya.jpg > > > > > > > > > > Maybe he means pink > > > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Invisible_Pink_Unicorn > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Fedora-art-list mailing list > > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list > -- > (o_ Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek > //\ Fedora Project > || | > V_/_ http://liviopl.jogger.pl/ > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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From liviopl.pl at gmail.com Mon Nov 12 22:18:55 2007 From: liviopl.pl at gmail.com (Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek) Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2007 23:18:55 +0100 Subject: Nodoka rounded corners for the gtk progress bar In-Reply-To: <4738C937.10606@brej.org> References: <4738C937.10606@brej.org> Message-ID: <1194905935.24917.0.camel@rocket> Nice :) . Dnia 12-11-2007, pon o godzinie 21:44 +0000, Charlie Brej pisze: > I made a small patch to give the progress bar rounded corners. > Before: http://home.brej.org/test/1.png > After: http://home.brej.org/test/2.png -- (o_ Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek //\ Fedora Project || | V_/_ http://liviopl.jogger.pl/ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Bellerophon killed the Chimera... ;-) Marc From duffy at redhat.com Mon Nov 12 23:12:40 2007 From: duffy at redhat.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?M=E1ir=EDn_Duffy?=) Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2007 18:12:40 -0500 Subject: F9 Name Proposal In-Reply-To: <604aa7910711121225j72f1b13aw1fbffdaf3be5c8a0@mail.gmail.com> References: <1194894110.5086.0.camel@rocket> <604aa7910711121154j39cb422dy5d882126d5b789c6@mail.gmail.com> <604aa7910711121225j72f1b13aw1fbffdaf3be5c8a0@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4738DDE8.2020909@redhat.com> Jeff Spaleta wrote: > On Nov 12, 2007 10:54 AM, Jeff Spaleta wrote: >> Unicorn, like a werewolf is a mythical creature. >> >> -jef"and the best high school sports mascot ever"spaleta >> > > > Plus, unicorns give you a legitimate reason to use a purple-y color > palette! And i think we can all agree that more purple would be a > good thing. > > -jef"Once you go purple, you never go back"spaleta unicorns are like ponies. +1 ~m From giacomo_succi at email.it Mon Nov 12 23:13:32 2007 From: giacomo_succi at email.it (Giacomo Succi) Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 00:13:32 +0100 Subject: CD/DVD Artwork. Message-ID: <1194909212.8475.2.camel@crysalis.arda.dyndns.info> Here is all the Artwork regarding CD/DVD for Fedora 8. http://succi.altervista.org/static.php?page=static071112-233715 All comments/critics/suggestions are welcome :)!!! Happy Fedoring!! -- Giacomo Succi - -*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*- Contacts: eMail: giacomo_succi email it; AIM: Anandir82 Y!: anandir82; ICQ: 135781176 J: Anandir jabber org; MSN: anandir email it Skype: anandir82 GPG: 0x52CDCA27 GPG Server: pool.sks-keyservers.net - -*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*- -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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This would also provide a way to have a strong visual change between releases, but still build on a larger theme that could grow more refined over multiple releases. Just a quick idea - cheers, Steven Garrity PS. I know this only holds up for one half of the planet - but our Southern-Hemispherian-friends can pretend we're being ironic about the seasons - and, spring and fall are beautiful on screen, no matter what's going on outside. From svbrand at alumnos.inf.utfsm.cl Mon Nov 12 23:50:26 2007 From: svbrand at alumnos.inf.utfsm.cl (Sven von Brand Laredo) Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2007 20:50:26 -0300 Subject: F9 Name Proposal In-Reply-To: <59e007ed0711121259t4940267ay27a96f1a72733216@mail.gmail.com> References: <1194894110.5086.0.camel@rocket> <604aa7910711121154j39cb422dy5d882126d5b789c6@mail.gmail.com> <604aa7910711121225j72f1b13aw1fbffdaf3be5c8a0@mail.gmail.com> <1194899861.26796.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1194899992.2769.8.camel@pc-notebook.kolej.mff.cuni.cz> <1194900299.6115.6.camel@rocket> <59e007ed0711121259t4940267ay27a96f1a72733216@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4738E6C2.7060507@alumnos.inf.utfsm.cl> Hisham Abdel-Magid wrote: > how about AngelWings ? (i am still in favour with "reaching higher" then > "reaching to infinity" styles) .. Going for the same flavour, how about something space like, Shuttle or SpaceShip or Galaxy. Greetings -- Sven von Brand Laredo From nisses.mail at home.se Tue Nov 13 00:55:42 2007 From: nisses.mail at home.se (Andreas Nilsson) Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 01:55:42 +0100 Subject: distrowatch review Message-ID: <4738F60E.5020900@home.se> Hi all! Stumbled upon a review of Fedora7 on distrowatch. "With every new Fedora release, the team puts together a new look and feel. I like the new look; however, I still wonder why Fedora has to use the classic icon theme for many applications (e.g. Evolution, OpenOffice.org) they have been using for what seems like forever. In my opinion Fedora has used it for too long. For me it is as ugly now as it was when it first came out." Seems the last bits of Bluecurve needs to be cleaned out, as it sticks out as a sore thumb. Did we make any progress on mizmo's icon report a while back? Should I open bugs regarding those issues? "The other parts of the look and feel (e.g. boot splash, GDM theme, desktop wallpaper) look very nice and professionally designed. Personally I think that the look and feel of Fedora 7 was the best theme of any distribution I've ever tested. However, the theme for Fedora 8 is very nice because it provides a nice professional look that adds to the desktop without distracting the user." Good work everyone! - Andreas From duffy at redhat.com Tue Nov 13 05:50:59 2007 From: duffy at redhat.com (=?UTF-8?B?TcOhaXLDrW4gRHVmZnk=?=) Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 00:50:59 -0500 Subject: CD/DVD Artwork. In-Reply-To: <1194909212.8475.2.camel@crysalis.arda.dyndns.info> References: <1194909212.8475.2.camel@crysalis.arda.dyndns.info> Message-ID: <47393B43.3070909@redhat.com> Hi Giacomo! Giacomo Succi wrote: > Here is all the Artwork regarding CD/DVD for Fedora 8. > > http://succi.altervista.org/static.php?page=static071112-233715 > > All comments/critics/suggestions are welcome :)!!! These are great! I just blogged about them :) http://mihmo.livejournal.com/49829.html Would you mind uploading them to the wiki? The best page is probably this one: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/CDArt ~m From liviopl.pl at gmail.com Tue Nov 13 06:00:40 2007 From: liviopl.pl at gmail.com (Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek) Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 07:00:40 +0100 Subject: Spring/Fall Seasonal Themes for 6-month Releases In-Reply-To: <4738E047.4070205@silverorange.com> References: <4738E047.4070205@silverorange.com> Message-ID: <1194933640.2258.1.camel@rocket> Microsoft uses seasons for his additional themes. My bro's using them. They're changing few icons, wallpaper, cursors and sounds [few]. We should have themes changing GTK theme, Metacity theme, cursors, icons and sounds. Why sounds aren't "themed"? Dnia 12-11-2007, pon o godzinie 19:22 -0400, Steven Garrity pisze: > As the Fedora release schedule is now about as reliable as the coming of > spring and fall, it occurred to me that spring and fall might serve as > appropriate visual themes for alternating releases. > > Both "spring" and "fall" (aka autumn) are nice natural visual metaphors > that have recognizable and (potentially) beautiful color schemes > associated with them. They are also both "natural" themes, which can > work well for desktop themes. > > Perhaps we could adopt a "spring" visual theme for the odd-numbered > releases that fall in the spring, and a "fall" visual theme for the > even-numbered releases that fall in the, well, fall. > > This would also provide a way to have a strong visual change between > releases, but still build on a larger theme that could grow more refined > over multiple releases. > > Just a quick idea - cheers, > Steven Garrity > > PS. I know this only holds up for one half of the planet - but our > Southern-Hemispherian-friends can pretend we're being ironic about the > seasons - and, spring and fall are beautiful on screen, no matter what's > going on outside. > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list -- (o_ Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek //\ Fedora Project || | V_/_ http://liviopl.jogger.pl/ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: To jest cz??? wiadomo?ci podpisana cyfrowo URL: From liviopl.pl at gmail.com Tue Nov 13 06:01:03 2007 From: liviopl.pl at gmail.com (Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek) Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 07:01:03 +0100 Subject: F9 Name Proposal In-Reply-To: <4738E6C2.7060507@alumnos.inf.utfsm.cl> References: <1194894110.5086.0.camel@rocket> <604aa7910711121154j39cb422dy5d882126d5b789c6@mail.gmail.com> <604aa7910711121225j72f1b13aw1fbffdaf3be5c8a0@mail.gmail.com> <1194899861.26796.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1194899992.2769.8.camel@pc-notebook.kolej.mff.cuni.cz> <1194900299.6115.6.camel@rocket> <59e007ed0711121259t4940267ay27a96f1a72733216@mail.gmail.com> <4738E6C2.7060507@alumnos.inf.utfsm.cl> Message-ID: <1194933663.2258.3.camel@rocket> +1 for Galaxy Dnia 12-11-2007, pon o godzinie 20:50 -0300, Sven von Brand Laredo pisze: > Hisham Abdel-Magid wrote: > > how about AngelWings ? (i am still in favour with "reaching higher" then > > "reaching to infinity" styles) .. > > Going for the same flavour, how about something space like, Shuttle or > SpaceShip or Galaxy. > > Greetings > -- (o_ Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek //\ Fedora Project || | V_/_ http://liviopl.jogger.pl/ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: To jest cz??? wiadomo?ci podpisana cyfrowo URL: From tchung at fedoraproject.org Tue Nov 13 07:01:18 2007 From: tchung at fedoraproject.org (Thomas Chung) Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2007 23:01:18 -0800 Subject: CD/DVD Artwork. In-Reply-To: <47393B43.3070909@redhat.com> References: <1194909212.8475.2.camel@crysalis.arda.dyndns.info> <47393B43.3070909@redhat.com> Message-ID: <369bce3b0711122301y23a9cf52qd0c337b23d967109@mail.gmail.com> On 11/12/07, M?ir?n Duffy wrote: > Hi Giacomo! > > Giacomo Succi wrote: > > Here is all the Artwork regarding CD/DVD for Fedora 8. > > > > http://succi.altervista.org/static.php?page=static071112-233715 > > > > All comments/critics/suggestions are welcome :)!!! > > These are great! I just blogged about them :) > http://mihmo.livejournal.com/49829.html > > Would you mind uploading them to the wiki? The best page is probably > this one: > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/CDArt > > ~m Good job Giacomo! Mo, I'll upload them to the wiki if you don't mind. :) Regards, -- Thomas Chung http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ThomasChung From michael.d.beckwith at gmail.com Tue Nov 13 07:19:45 2007 From: michael.d.beckwith at gmail.com (Michael Beckwith) Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 01:19:45 -0600 Subject: F9 theming Message-ID: <47395011.3020807@gmail.com> I think we should get the process started and our minds rolling for what to do with the next release in May. For Fedora 8, we covered Infinity, I think we should continue on the path using the "Infinity, Freedom, Choice", and thus should try and create a theme revolving around "freedom". I know that there are many definitions that could be incorporated and people all over will have their own definition of it. We would be able to produce a lot of options for visual interpretations of the concept. Anyone else have thoughts for how we should handle Fedora 9? -- ~Michael http://ridleytx.structed.net (for now) http://michaelbox.net (eventually) From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Tue Nov 13 07:58:17 2007 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 09:58:17 +0200 Subject: F9 Name Proposal In-Reply-To: <1194894110.5086.0.camel@rocket> References: <1194894110.5086.0.camel@rocket> Message-ID: <47395919.8020804@nicubunu.ro> Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek wrote: > Simply - Owl, Nightbird, Humming or Bird :) . I absolutely hate to be "that guy" but... the name decision is not ours (Art Team) to make and traditionally now is also too early for it. With this said, of course I have a few ideas of my own. -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From ljuwaida at fedoraproject.org Tue Nov 13 08:03:22 2007 From: ljuwaida at fedoraproject.org (Laith Juwaidah) Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 12:03:22 +0400 Subject: F9 Name Proposal In-Reply-To: <1194933663.2258.3.camel@rocket> References: <1194894110.5086.0.camel@rocket> <4738E6C2.7060507@alumnos.inf.utfsm.cl> <1194933663.2258.3.camel@rocket> Message-ID: <200711131203.22441.ljuwaida@fedoraproject.org> On Tuesday 13 November 2007 10:01:03 Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek wrote: > +1 for Galaxy > > Dnia 12-11-2007, pon o godzinie 20:50 -0300, Sven von Brand Laredo > > pisze: > > Hisham Abdel-Magid wrote: > > > how about AngelWings ? (i am still in favour with "reaching higher" > > > then "reaching to infinity" styles) .. > > > > Going for the same flavour, how about something space like, Shuttle or > > SpaceShip or Galaxy. > > > > Greetings Finally! Something different :P Have you read Michael Beckwith's post titled F9 theming [1]? It suggests that the theme should represent freedom (since the current theme is Infinity)... So I thought of Naming F9 based on that too... I did some research on the internet, and I found this [2]. But, since we just can't call it "Bald Eagle, I looked on wikipedia [3]. In the synonyms, there's a name in Latin that goes back to 1766, which is "Falco leucocephalus", but since that is too long, I thought that calling it Falco is just right! It'll be an Eagle :) What do you think? [1] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-art-list/2007-November/msg00106.html [2] http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20060904174930AAS81GP [3] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bald_eagle -- Laith Juwaidah http://www.ljuwaidah.org/ From tchung at fedoraproject.org Tue Nov 13 08:14:59 2007 From: tchung at fedoraproject.org (Thomas Chung) Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 00:14:59 -0800 Subject: CD/DVD Artwork. In-Reply-To: <369bce3b0711122301y23a9cf52qd0c337b23d967109@mail.gmail.com> References: <1194909212.8475.2.camel@crysalis.arda.dyndns.info> <47393B43.3070909@redhat.com> <369bce3b0711122301y23a9cf52qd0c337b23d967109@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <369bce3b0711130014r40f9dcc0ra0ccb2e635cd919d@mail.gmail.com> On 11/12/07, Thomas Chung wrote: > On 11/12/07, M?ir?n Duffy wrote: > > Hi Giacomo! > > > > Giacomo Succi wrote: > > > Here is all the Artwork regarding CD/DVD for Fedora 8. > > > > > > http://succi.altervista.org/static.php?page=static071112-233715 > > > > > > All comments/critics/suggestions are welcome :)!!! > > > > These are great! I just blogged about them :) > > http://mihmo.livejournal.com/49829.html > > > > Would you mind uploading them to the wiki? The best page is probably > > this one: > > > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/CDArt > > > > ~m > > Good job Giacomo! > Mo, I'll upload them to the wiki if you don't mind. :) All done. I moved some pages around so we have plenty of spaces to grow. :) http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/MediaArt Cheers! -- Thomas Chung http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ThomasChung From tchung at fedoraproject.org Tue Nov 13 08:28:12 2007 From: tchung at fedoraproject.org (Thomas Chung) Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 00:28:12 -0800 Subject: CD/DVD Artwork. In-Reply-To: <369bce3b0711130014r40f9dcc0ra0ccb2e635cd919d@mail.gmail.com> References: <1194909212.8475.2.camel@crysalis.arda.dyndns.info> <47393B43.3070909@redhat.com> <369bce3b0711122301y23a9cf52qd0c337b23d967109@mail.gmail.com> <369bce3b0711130014r40f9dcc0ra0ccb2e635cd919d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <369bce3b0711130028q2f2f42ebre5986e6c1293854f@mail.gmail.com> On 11/13/07, Thomas Chung wrote: > All done. I moved some pages around so we have plenty of spaces to grow. :) > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/MediaArt BTW, is it just me or the svg file is crouped? I only see crossed red color when the svg file is opened with Inkscape http://tchung.fedorapeople.org/Succi/Succi_CD_Art_Inkscape.png -- Thomas Chung http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ThomasChung From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Tue Nov 13 08:43:07 2007 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 10:43:07 +0200 Subject: CD/DVD Artwork. In-Reply-To: <369bce3b0711130028q2f2f42ebre5986e6c1293854f@mail.gmail.com> References: <1194909212.8475.2.camel@crysalis.arda.dyndns.info> <47393B43.3070909@redhat.com> <369bce3b0711122301y23a9cf52qd0c337b23d967109@mail.gmail.com> <369bce3b0711130014r40f9dcc0ra0ccb2e635cd919d@mail.gmail.com> <369bce3b0711130028q2f2f42ebre5986e6c1293854f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4739639B.20508@nicubunu.ro> Thomas Chung wrote: > > BTW, is it just me or the svg file is crouped? > I only see crossed red color when the svg file is opened with Inkscape > http://tchung.fedorapeople.org/Succi/Succi_CD_Art_Inkscape.png This happen when the SVG link to an inexistent raster image. The solution is for the original author to embed the images (use Effects > Images >Embed All Images in Inkscape) and re-upload (but then if the SVG is only a container for raster images, what is the point to use SVG? leave it as raster and publish a .xcf with nice layers). -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From ben.arnold.inbox at gmail.com Tue Nov 13 09:51:58 2007 From: ben.arnold.inbox at gmail.com (Ben Arnold) Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 09:51:58 +0000 Subject: F9 Name Proposal In-Reply-To: <1194894110.5086.0.camel@rocket> References: <1194894110.5086.0.camel@rocket> Message-ID: <9c3bfa1d0711130151w606500fdwb45ebfac9021df7e@mail.gmail.com> What about something that has something to do with the release time? What's going on in May 2008? ./b -- | ..// seawolf //.. | | Ben Arnold | | e-mail / msn / icq / web | | http://clik.to/seawolfsanctuary | | ben.arnold.inbox (at) gmail.com | | iamseawolf (at) gmail (dot) com | | GnuPG Available - ask me! | From jspaleta at gmail.com Tue Nov 13 17:32:15 2007 From: jspaleta at gmail.com (Jeff Spaleta) Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 08:32:15 -0900 Subject: F9 Name Proposal In-Reply-To: <47395919.8020804@nicubunu.ro> References: <1194894110.5086.0.camel@rocket> <47395919.8020804@nicubunu.ro> Message-ID: <604aa7910711130932i6588013dn73257874008c599b@mail.gmail.com> On Nov 12, 2007 10:58 PM, Nicu Buculei wrote: > Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek wrote: > > Simply - Owl, Nightbird, Humming or Bird :) . > > I absolutely hate to be "that guy" but... the name decision is not ours > (Art Team) to make and traditionally now is also too early for it. Is it too early? I think there are proposed changes for the development process which would put the "naming" process earlier in part to get the art team time to have the option to build a theme associated with the codename. Regardless of when it happens, there are established rules for the name game, which I assume people in this thread are not aware of. Names between releases must relate. Release N+1 must be named such that releaser N+1 relates to N, such that releases N+1 and N-1 are not similarly related. So we can for example just keep picking city names or flower names over and over again. The rules for F9 as I understand them are: The relationship that connects Moonshine and Werewolf cannot be re-used. The F9 name and werewolf must share are "both are" relationship. The F9 name and moonshine must not share a "both are" relationship You also should provide an obvious next relationship that can be used to connect the name to F9 to F10 The "Unicorn" example I provided follows the name game rules. I stated the N+1 to N relationship explicitly. Both a unicorn and a werewolf are mythical creatures whereas moonshine is not. I also hinted at the next relationship that can be used to move beyond unicorn. Unicorn was the mascot for my high school, so for F10 you could move from unicorn to any high school mascot that was not a mystical creature. Though that's actually not a good out. A better out would be Tom Cruise movie co-stars (a unicorn was in the movie Legend). Names like "galaxy" or "night bird" need to be given in the context of the "N+1 and N are a something, but N+1 and N-1 are not a something" rule. The naming isn't random, but its constrained by how clever we are coming up with relationships between the names. -jef From jspaleta at gmail.com Tue Nov 13 17:34:25 2007 From: jspaleta at gmail.com (Jeff Spaleta) Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 08:34:25 -0900 Subject: F9 Name Proposal In-Reply-To: <604aa7910711130932i6588013dn73257874008c599b@mail.gmail.com> References: <1194894110.5086.0.camel@rocket> <47395919.8020804@nicubunu.ro> <604aa7910711130932i6588013dn73257874008c599b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <604aa7910711130934r3511b7f9kc16fadd2f1d580fb@mail.gmail.com> On Nov 13, 2007 8:32 AM, Jeff Spaleta wrote: > So we can for example just keep picking city names > or flower names over and over again. err can not keep picking... From ljuwaida at fedoraproject.org Tue Nov 13 17:44:54 2007 From: ljuwaida at fedoraproject.org (Laith Juwaidah) Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 21:44:54 +0400 Subject: F9 Name Proposal In-Reply-To: <604aa7910711130932i6588013dn73257874008c599b@mail.gmail.com> References: <1194894110.5086.0.camel@rocket> <47395919.8020804@nicubunu.ro> <604aa7910711130932i6588013dn73257874008c599b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200711132145.12651.ljuwaida@fedoraproject.org> On Tuesday 13 November 2007 21:32:15 Jeff Spaleta wrote: > On Nov 12, 2007 10:58 PM, Nicu Buculei wrote: > > Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek wrote: > > > Simply - Owl, Nightbird, Humming or Bird :) . > > > > I absolutely hate to be "that guy" but... the name decision is not ours > > (Art Team) to make and traditionally now is also too early for it. > > Is it too early? I think there are proposed changes for the > development process which would put the "naming" process earlier in > part to get the art team time to have the option to build a theme > associated with the codename. > > Regardless of when it happens, there are established rules for the > name game, which I assume people in this thread are not aware of. > Names between releases must relate. Release N+1 must be named such > that releaser N+1 relates to N, such that releases N+1 and N-1 are not > similarly related. So we can for example just keep picking city names > or flower names over and over again. > > The rules for F9 as I understand them are: > The relationship that connects Moonshine and Werewolf cannot be re-used. > The F9 name and werewolf must share are "both are" relationship. > The F9 name and moonshine must not share a "both are" relationship > You also should provide an obvious next relationship that can be used > to connect the name to F9 to F10 > > The "Unicorn" example I provided follows the name game rules. I stated > the N+1 to N relationship explicitly. Both a unicorn and a werewolf > are mythical creatures whereas moonshine is not. > I also hinted at the next relationship that can be used to move beyond > unicorn. Unicorn was the mascot for my high school, so for F10 you > could move from unicorn to any high school mascot that was not a > mystical creature. Though that's actually not a good out. A better out > would be Tom Cruise movie co-stars (a unicorn was in the movie > Legend). > > Names like "galaxy" or "night bird" need to be given in the context of > the "N+1 and N are a something, but N+1 and N-1 are not a > something" rule. The naming isn't random, but its constrained by how > clever we are coming up with relationships between the names. > > -jef > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list Jupiter? That's a fictional eagle :) And, we can use some other planet's name for F10 :) -- Laith Juwaidah http://www.ljuwaidah.org/ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part. URL: From liviopl.pl at gmail.com Tue Nov 13 17:49:43 2007 From: liviopl.pl at gmail.com (Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek) Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 18:49:43 +0100 Subject: F9 Name Proposal In-Reply-To: <200711132145.12651.ljuwaida@fedoraproject.org> References: <1194894110.5086.0.camel@rocket> <47395919.8020804@nicubunu.ro> <604aa7910711130932i6588013dn73257874008c599b@mail.gmail.com> <200711132145.12651.ljuwaida@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <1194976183.12855.2.camel@rocket> I'll always say what I think is better... Do not go so high - to the planets :P . Maybe Dog or Wolf... Relations with Werewolf are obvious xD . Dnia 13-11-2007, wto o godzinie 21:44 +0400, Laith Juwaidah pisze: > On Tuesday 13 November 2007 21:32:15 Jeff Spaleta wrote: > > On Nov 12, 2007 10:58 PM, Nicu Buculei wrote: > > > Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek wrote: > > > > Simply - Owl, Nightbird, Humming or Bird :) . > > > > > > I absolutely hate to be "that guy" but... the name decision is not ours > > > (Art Team) to make and traditionally now is also too early for it. > > > > Is it too early? I think there are proposed changes for the > > development process which would put the "naming" process earlier in > > part to get the art team time to have the option to build a theme > > associated with the codename. > > > > Regardless of when it happens, there are established rules for the > > name game, which I assume people in this thread are not aware of. > > Names between releases must relate. Release N+1 must be named such > > that releaser N+1 relates to N, such that releases N+1 and N-1 are not > > similarly related. So we can for example just keep picking city names > > or flower names over and over again. > > > > The rules for F9 as I understand them are: > > The relationship that connects Moonshine and Werewolf cannot be re-used. > > The F9 name and werewolf must share are "both are" relationship. > > The F9 name and moonshine must not share a "both are" relationship > > You also should provide an obvious next relationship that can be used > > to connect the name to F9 to F10 > > > > The "Unicorn" example I provided follows the name game rules. I stated > > the N+1 to N relationship explicitly. Both a unicorn and a werewolf > > are mythical creatures whereas moonshine is not. > > I also hinted at the next relationship that can be used to move beyond > > unicorn. Unicorn was the mascot for my high school, so for F10 you > > could move from unicorn to any high school mascot that was not a > > mystical creature. Though that's actually not a good out. A better out > > would be Tom Cruise movie co-stars (a unicorn was in the movie > > Legend). > > > > Names like "galaxy" or "night bird" need to be given in the context of > > the "N+1 and N are a something, but N+1 and N-1 are not a > > something" rule. The naming isn't random, but its constrained by how > > clever we are coming up with relationships between the names. > > > > -jef > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Fedora-art-list mailing list > > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list > > Jupiter? That's a fictional eagle :) And, we can use some other planet's name > for F10 :) > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list -- (o_ Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek //\ Fedora Project || | V_/_ http://liviopl.jogger.pl/ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: To jest cz??? wiadomo?ci podpisana cyfrowo URL: From ljuwaida at fedoraproject.org Tue Nov 13 17:59:31 2007 From: ljuwaida at fedoraproject.org (Laith Juwaidah) Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 21:59:31 +0400 Subject: F9 Name Proposal In-Reply-To: <1194976183.12855.2.camel@rocket> References: <1194894110.5086.0.camel@rocket> <200711132145.12651.ljuwaida@fedoraproject.org> <1194976183.12855.2.camel@rocket> Message-ID: <200711132159.48640.ljuwaida@fedoraproject.org> On Tuesday 13 November 2007 21:49:43 Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek wrote: > I'll always say what I think is better... Do not go so high - to the > planets :P . > > Maybe Dog or Wolf... Relations with Werewolf are obvious xD . > > Dnia 13-11-2007, wto o godzinie 21:44 +0400, Laith Juwaidah pisze: > > On Tuesday 13 November 2007 21:32:15 Jeff Spaleta wrote: > > > On Nov 12, 2007 10:58 PM, Nicu Buculei wrote: > > > > Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek wrote: > > > > > Simply - Owl, Nightbird, Humming or Bird :) . > > > > > > > > I absolutely hate to be "that guy" but... the name decision is not > > > > ours (Art Team) to make and traditionally now is also too early for > > > > it. > > > > > > Is it too early? I think there are proposed changes for the > > > development process which would put the "naming" process earlier in > > > part to get the art team time to have the option to build a theme > > > associated with the codename. > > > > > > Regardless of when it happens, there are established rules for the > > > name game, which I assume people in this thread are not aware of. > > > Names between releases must relate. Release N+1 must be named such > > > that releaser N+1 relates to N, such that releases N+1 and N-1 are not > > > similarly related. So we can for example just keep picking city names > > > or flower names over and over again. > > > > > > The rules for F9 as I understand them are: > > > The relationship that connects Moonshine and Werewolf cannot be > > > re-used. The F9 name and werewolf must share are "both are" > > > relationship. The F9 name and moonshine must not share a "both are" > > > relationship You also should provide an obvious next relationship that > > > can be used to connect the name to F9 to F10 > > > > > > The "Unicorn" example I provided follows the name game rules. I stated > > > the N+1 to N relationship explicitly. Both a unicorn and a werewolf > > > are mythical creatures whereas moonshine is not. > > > I also hinted at the next relationship that can be used to move beyond > > > unicorn. Unicorn was the mascot for my high school, so for F10 you > > > could move from unicorn to any high school mascot that was not a > > > mystical creature. Though that's actually not a good out. A better out > > > would be Tom Cruise movie co-stars (a unicorn was in the movie > > > Legend). > > > > > > Names like "galaxy" or "night bird" need to be given in the context of > > > the "N+1 and N are a something, but N+1 and N-1 are not a > > > something" rule. The naming isn't random, but its constrained by how > > > clever we are coming up with relationships between the names. > > > > > > -jef > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Fedora-art-list mailing list > > > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > > > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list > > > > Jupiter? That's a fictional eagle :) And, we can use some other planet's > > name for F10 :) > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Fedora-art-list mailing list > > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list How about Jupiter, and some other God's pet's name ;) I just think that using an eagle-related name is good, 'cause it links to freedom... Cheers! -- Laith Juwaidah http://www.ljuwaidah.org/ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part. URL: From martin.sourada at seznam.cz Tue Nov 13 18:51:02 2007 From: martin.sourada at seznam.cz (Martin Sourada) Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 19:51:02 +0100 Subject: F9 Name Proposal In-Reply-To: <604aa7910711130932i6588013dn73257874008c599b@mail.gmail.com> References: <1194894110.5086.0.camel@rocket> <47395919.8020804@nicubunu.ro> <604aa7910711130932i6588013dn73257874008c599b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1194979862.2769.28.camel@pc-notebook.kolej.mff.cuni.cz> On Tue, 2007-11-13 at 18:32 +0100, Jeff Spaleta wrote: > On Nov 12, 2007 10:58 PM, Nicu Buculei wrote: > > Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek wrote: > > > Simply - Owl, Nightbird, Humming or Bird :) . > > > > I absolutely hate to be "that guy" but... the name decision is not ours > > (Art Team) to make and traditionally now is also too early for it. > > Is it too early? I think there are proposed changes for the > development process which would put the "naming" process earlier in > part to get the art team time to have the option to build a theme > associated with the codename. > > Regardless of when it happens, there are established rules for the > name game, which I assume people in this thread are not aware of. > Names between releases must relate. Release N+1 must be named such > that releaser N+1 relates to N, such that releases N+1 and N-1 are not > similarly related. So we can for example just keep picking city names > or flower names over and over again. > > The rules for F9 as I understand them are: > The relationship that connects Moonshine and Werewolf cannot be re-used. > The F9 name and werewolf must share are "both are" relationship. > The F9 name and moonshine must not share a "both are" relationship > You also should provide an obvious next relationship that can be used > to connect the name to F9 to F10 > > The "Unicorn" example I provided follows the name game rules. I stated > the N+1 to N relationship explicitly. Both a unicorn and a werewolf > are mythical creatures whereas moonshine is not. > I also hinted at the next relationship that can be used to move beyond > unicorn. Unicorn was the mascot for my high school, so for F10 you > could move from unicorn to any high school mascot that was not a > mystical creature. Though that's actually not a good out. A better out > would be Tom Cruise movie co-stars (a unicorn was in the movie > Legend). > > Names like "galaxy" or "night bird" need to be given in the context of > the "N+1 and N are a something, but N+1 and N-1 are not a > something" rule. The naming isn't random, but its constrained by how > clever we are coming up with relationships between the names. > > -jef > I am aware of these rules, so I'll explicitly say what I meant with my name suggestion(s) and also add one more: Nosferatu / Dracula / Draculina / Vampire (whoever) * A mythical half-beast, like a werewolf * For F-10 (or F-X?) we could use one of the connections to vampires via many films they were in... And the promised one Uroboros / Glaurung / Dragon (whoever) * Mythical creature * Can be succeeded by any of the heroes, characters, ... from films, literature, games... (personally I'd follow with Beowulf) * Uroboros (though the word itself does not sound to me much nice) has some good connection to Fedora itself, as it symbolises infinity and unity, in words from wikipedia[1]: "It has been used to represent many things over the ages, but it most generally symbolizes ideas of cyclicality, unity, or infinity." * Glaurung is the first dragon ever born in Tolkien's mythology Martin References: [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ouroboros From jspaleta at gmail.com Tue Nov 13 18:56:36 2007 From: jspaleta at gmail.com (Jeff Spaleta) Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 09:56:36 -0900 Subject: F9 Name Proposal In-Reply-To: <1194979862.2769.28.camel@pc-notebook.kolej.mff.cuni.cz> References: <1194894110.5086.0.camel@rocket> <47395919.8020804@nicubunu.ro> <604aa7910711130932i6588013dn73257874008c599b@mail.gmail.com> <1194979862.2769.28.camel@pc-notebook.kolej.mff.cuni.cz> Message-ID: <604aa7910711131056p22e78cffgf6fa4d82bc815143@mail.gmail.com> On Nov 13, 2007 9:51 AM, Martin Sourada wrote: > * Uroboros (though the word itself does not sound to me much nice) has > some good connection to Fedora itself, as it symbolises infinity and > unity, in words from wikipedia[1]: clever. -jef From michael.d.beckwith at gmail.com Tue Nov 13 18:59:56 2007 From: michael.d.beckwith at gmail.com (Michael Beckwith) Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 12:59:56 -0600 Subject: F9 Name Proposal In-Reply-To: <1194979862.2769.28.camel@pc-notebook.kolej.mff.cuni.cz> References: <1194894110.5086.0.camel@rocket> <47395919.8020804@nicubunu.ro> <604aa7910711130932i6588013dn73257874008c599b@mail.gmail.com> <1194979862.2769.28.camel@pc-notebook.kolej.mff.cuni.cz> Message-ID: <4739F42C.3000907@gmail.com> I'd vote for a dragon based one. I already named all 3 of my local hosts in relation to dragons. "IceDragon", "WaterDragon", and "FireDragon" Martin Sourada wrote: > I am aware of these rules, so I'll explicitly say what I meant with my > name suggestion(s) and also add one more: > > Nosferatu / Dracula / Draculina / Vampire (whoever) > * A mythical half-beast, like a werewolf > * For F-10 (or F-X?) we could use one of the connections to vampires > via many films they were in... > > And the promised one > > Uroboros / Glaurung / Dragon (whoever) > * Mythical creature > * Can be succeeded by any of the heroes, characters, ... from films, > literature, games... (personally I'd follow with Beowulf) > > * Uroboros (though the word itself does not sound to me much nice) has > some good connection to Fedora itself, as it symbolises infinity and > unity, in words from wikipedia[1]: > > "It has been used to represent many things over the ages, but it most > generally symbolizes ideas of cyclicality, unity, or infinity." > > * Glaurung is the first dragon ever born in Tolkien's mythology > > Martin > > References: > [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ouroboros > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list > > -- ~Michael http://ridleytx.structed.net (for now) http://michaelbox.net (eventually) From marc_schwartz at comcast.net Tue Nov 13 19:05:54 2007 From: marc_schwartz at comcast.net (Marc Schwartz) Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 13:05:54 -0600 Subject: F9 Name Proposal References: <1194894110.5086.0.camel@rocket> <47395919.8020804@nicubunu.ro> <604aa7910711130932i6588013dn73257874008c599b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: "Jeff Spaleta" writes: > On Nov 12, 2007 10:58 PM, Nicu Buculei wrote: >> Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek wrote: >> > Simply - Owl, Nightbird, Humming or Bird :) . >> >> I absolutely hate to be "that guy" but... the name decision is not ours >> (Art Team) to make and traditionally now is also too early for it. > > Is it too early? I think there are proposed changes for the > development process which would put the "naming" process earlier in > part to get the art team time to have the option to build a theme > associated with the codename. > > Regardless of when it happens, there are established rules for the > name game, which I assume people in this thread are not aware of. > Names between releases must relate. Release N+1 must be named such > that releaser N+1 relates to N, such that releases N+1 and N-1 are not > similarly related. So we can for example just keep picking city names > or flower names over and over again. > > The rules for F9 as I understand them are: > The relationship that connects Moonshine and Werewolf cannot be re-used. > The F9 name and werewolf must share are "both are" relationship. > The F9 name and moonshine must not share a "both are" relationship > You also should provide an obvious next relationship that can be used > to connect the name to F9 to F10 > > The "Unicorn" example I provided follows the name game rules. I stated > the N+1 to N relationship explicitly. Both a unicorn and a werewolf > are mythical creatures whereas moonshine is not. > I also hinted at the next relationship that can be used to move beyond > unicorn. Unicorn was the mascot for my high school, so for F10 you > could move from unicorn to any high school mascot that was not a > mystical creature. Though that's actually not a good out. A better out > would be Tom Cruise movie co-stars (a unicorn was in the movie > Legend). > > Names like "galaxy" or "night bird" need to be given in the context of > the "N+1 and N are a something, but N+1 and N-1 are not a > something" rule. The naming isn't random, but its constrained by how > clever we are coming up with relationships between the names. > > -jef I was not aware of the guidelines you note above. That being said, I think that Bellerophon could fit, since it is a mythical character and could then lead us into the domain of sci-fi, which is then wide open... Of course, the Six Degrees of Tom Cruise would lead us into some interesting territory... :-) Marc From ljuwaida at fedoraproject.org Wed Nov 14 17:30:25 2007 From: ljuwaida at fedoraproject.org (Laith Juwaidah) Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2007 21:30:25 +0400 Subject: Infinity 24 for KDE Message-ID: <200711142130.45052.ljuwaida@fedoraproject.org> I made a small --literally-- script that does that (change the background), it is to be used with KDE's advanced desktop options and the 24 pictures that can be found here[1]. The script itself can be found on my fedorapeople[2]. Cheers! [1] http://people.redhat.com/duffy/artwork/infinity-24/ [2] http://ljuwaida.fedorapeople.org/Artwork/Infinity/KDE/Wallpaper -- Laith Juwaidah http://www.ljuwaidah.org/ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part. URL: From rdieter at math.unl.edu Wed Nov 14 20:19:59 2007 From: rdieter at math.unl.edu (Rex Dieter) Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2007 14:19:59 -0600 Subject: Infinity 24 for KDE References: <200711142130.45052.ljuwaida@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: Laith Juwaidah wrote: > I made a small --literally-- script that does that (change the > background), it is to be used with KDE's advanced desktop options and the > 24 pictures that can be found here[1]. > > The script itself can be found on my fedorapeople[2]. > [2] http://ljuwaida.fedorapeople.org/Artwork/Infinity/KDE/Wallpaper Can you provide (step-by-step) instructions on how to set this up? Where to download Wallpapers, how to configure the KDE desktop, etc.? -- Rex From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Thu Nov 15 04:12:11 2007 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2007 09:42:11 +0530 Subject: Infinity 24 for KDE In-Reply-To: References: <200711142130.45052.ljuwaida@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <473BC71B.4000902@fedoraproject.org> Rex Dieter wrote: > Laith Juwaidah wrote: > >> I made a small --literally-- script that does that (change the >> background), it is to be used with KDE's advanced desktop options and the >> 24 pictures that can be found here[1]. >> >> The script itself can be found on my fedorapeople[2]. >> [2] http://ljuwaida.fedorapeople.org/Artwork/Infinity/KDE/Wallpaper > > Can you provide (step-by-step) instructions on how to set this up? Where to > download Wallpapers, how to configure the KDE desktop, etc.? Better yet, can we push this functionality in as an update so that KDE by default in Fedora 8 does this? Rahul From ljuwaida at fedoraproject.org Thu Nov 15 11:37:25 2007 From: ljuwaida at fedoraproject.org (Laith Juwaidah) Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2007 15:37:25 +0400 Subject: Infinity 24 for KDE In-Reply-To: <473BC71B.4000902@fedoraproject.org> References: <200711142130.45052.ljuwaida@fedoraproject.org> <473BC71B.4000902@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <200711151537.42451.ljuwaida@fedoraproject.org> On Thursday 15 November 2007 08:12:11 Rahul Sundaram wrote: > Rex Dieter wrote: > > Laith Juwaidah wrote: > >> I made a small --literally-- script that does that (change the > >> background), it is to be used with KDE's advanced desktop options and > >> the 24 pictures that can be found here[1]. > >> > >> The script itself can be found on my fedorapeople[2]. > >> [2] http://ljuwaida.fedorapeople.org/Artwork/Infinity/KDE/Wallpaper > > > > Can you provide (step-by-step) instructions on how to set this up? Where > > to download Wallpapers, how to configure the KDE desktop, etc.? > > Better yet, can we push this functionality in as an update so that KDE > by default in Fedora 8 does this? > > Rahul > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list I don't know, people's comps might be slow (it takes some time to re-size the picture once an hour (a few secs on my machine, but it can be longer on slower ones)), people may not want to use Fedora's background, etc... However, we can make a package of the script and the pictures but not activate them by default. Here are the steps: 1. Create a new folder and call it Infinity. 2. Download all the pictures in http://people.redhat.com/duffy/artwork/infinity-24/ to that folder (they should be 24 png files). 3. Download the script from http://ljuwaida.fedorapeople.org/Artwork/Infinity/KDE/Wallpaper/infinity and put it in the same folder. 4. If you want to install it for yourself only then copy the folder you created to ~/.kde/share/wallpapers (if it doesn't exist, create it), if you want to install it for all the users, then copy it to /usr/share/wallpapers instead, but you have to be the root. 5. To change your background, right click on your desktop and click Configure Desktop, click on No Picture, then click on Advanced Options. 6. In the window that opens, click on add. 7. In the name field, enter Infinity, in the command field enter ~/.kde/share/wallpapers/Infinity/infinity %x %y %f , or /user/share/wallpapers/Infinity/infinity %x %y %f , depending on where you installed it. 8. Put the same line in Preview cmd, and put ~/.kde/share/wallpapers/Infinity/infinity or /user/share/wallpapers/Infinity/infinity in Executable, and set the Refresh time to 60 min. 9. Click on OK, OK, then OK. Cheers! -- Laith Juwaidah http://www.ljuwaidah.org/ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part. URL: From rdieter at math.unl.edu Thu Nov 15 12:58:19 2007 From: rdieter at math.unl.edu (Rex Dieter) Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2007 06:58:19 -0600 Subject: Infinity 24 for KDE References: <200711142130.45052.ljuwaida@fedoraproject.org> <473BC71B.4000902@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: Rahul Sundaram wrote: > Rex Dieter wrote: >> Laith Juwaidah wrote: >> >>> I made a small --literally-- script that does that (change the >>> background), it is to be used with KDE's advanced desktop options and >>> the 24 pictures that can be found here[1]. >>> >>> The script itself can be found on my fedorapeople[2]. >>> [2] http://ljuwaida.fedorapeople.org/Artwork/Infinity/KDE/Wallpaper >> >> Can you provide (step-by-step) instructions on how to set this up? Where >> to download Wallpapers, how to configure the KDE desktop, etc.? > > Better yet, can we push this functionality in as an update so that KDE > by default in Fedora 8 does this? Once tested, and stable, sure. -- Rex From Joshua.Andrews at StandardForwarding.com Thu Nov 15 16:12:43 2007 From: Joshua.Andrews at StandardForwarding.com (Joshua Andrews) Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2007 10:12:43 -0600 Subject: Look for a specific desktop background Message-ID: <4E5F020ED33C6845B2EBB0AA614071D803E20FB0@Exchange.stdf.stdfwd.com> I'm looking for a background that I used to have a couple years ago and no longer have it. It consisted of a golf ball position near cup on the green. The golf ball had the Fedora Logo emblazoned on it. Does anyone have a copy of this? I've looked in every repository I can find already! Any help is MUCH appreciated. Sincerely, Joshua M. Andrews Network Administrator Standard Forwarding Company, Inc. 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I guess this is it (right from Diana's blog): http://www.isity.net/blog/?p=32 You may find it on Fedora Forum, but serious digging is needed: http://www.fedoraforum.org/gallery/browseimages.php?c=2 -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From rdieter at math.unl.edu Thu Nov 15 18:05:57 2007 From: rdieter at math.unl.edu (Rex Dieter) Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2007 12:05:57 -0600 Subject: kdesktop-infinity-0.2 References: <200711142130.45052.ljuwaida@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: Rex Dieter wrote: > Laith Juwaidah wrote: > >> I made a small --literally-- script that does that (change the >> background), it is to be used with KDE's advanced desktop options and the >> 24 pictures that can be found here[1]. >> >> The script itself can be found on my fedorapeople[2]. >> [2] http://ljuwaida.fedorapeople.org/Artwork/Infinity/KDE/Wallpaper > > Can you provide (step-by-step) instructions on how to set this up? Where > to download Wallpapers, how to configure the KDE desktop, etc.? I took the liberty to clean up the script a bit, pack up the needed wallpapers, and include some basic instructions for use: http://rdieter.fedorapeople.org/kdesktop-infinity/ feedback please. -- Rex From luya_tfz at thefinalzone.com Fri Nov 16 10:38:39 2007 From: luya_tfz at thefinalzone.com (Luya Tshimbalanga) Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2007 02:38:39 -0800 Subject: [Draft] Echo version of user-info Message-ID: <473D732F.9000605@thefinalzone.com> Here is user-info icon done after homework. Luya -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: user-info16.png Type: image/png Size: 893 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: user-info16.svg Type: image/svg+xml Size: 27374 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Re: Look for a specific desktop background (Nicu Buculei) 2. kdesktop-infinity-0.2 (Rex Dieter) 3. [Draft] Echo version of user-info (Luya Tshimbalanga) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2007 19:41:51 +0200 From: Nicu Buculei Subject: Re: Look for a specific desktop background To: "Discussions about the artwork included with Fedora, including icons, themes, and wallpapers." Message-ID: <473C84DF.20908 at nicubunu.ro> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Joshua Andrews wrote: > I'm looking for a background that I used to have a couple years ago > and no longer have it. It consisted of a golf ball position near cup > on the green. The golf ball had the Fedora Logo emblazoned on it. > > Does anyone have a copy of this? I've looked in every repository I > can find already! Any help is MUCH appreciated. I guess this is it (right from Diana's blog): http://www.isity.net/blog/?p=32 You may find it on Fedora Forum, but serious digging is needed: http://www.fedoraforum.org/gallery/browseimages.php?c=2 -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2007 12:05:57 -0600 From: Rex Dieter Subject: kdesktop-infinity-0.2 To: fedora-art-list at redhat.com Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Rex Dieter wrote: > Laith Juwaidah wrote: > >> I made a small --literally-- script that does that (change the >> background), it is to be used with KDE's advanced desktop options and the >> 24 pictures that can be found here[1]. >> >> The script itself can be found on my fedorapeople[2]. >> [2] http://ljuwaida.fedorapeople.org/Artwork/Infinity/KDE/Wallpaper > > Can you provide (step-by-step) instructions on how to set this up? 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Looks fine on the bigger ones. ./b On 16/11/2007, Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek wrote: > I don't know why but Echo =< 32x32 are so... hard to read. > > Dnia 16-11-2007, pi? o godzinie 02:38 -0800, Luya Tshimbalanga pisze: > > Here is user-info icon done after homework. > > > > Luya -- | ..// seawolf //.. | | Ben Arnold | | e-mail / msn / icq / web | | http://clik.to/seawolfsanctuary | | ben.arnold.inbox (at) gmail.com | | iamseawolf (at) gmail (dot) com | | GnuPG Available - ask me! | From liviopl.pl at gmail.com Fri Nov 16 13:59:51 2007 From: liviopl.pl at gmail.com (Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek) Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2007 14:59:51 +0100 Subject: [Draft] Echo version of user-info In-Reply-To: <9c3bfa1d0711160546y13b031fal3c81786efe16a2df@mail.gmail.com> References: <473D732F.9000605@thefinalzone.com> <1195219043.2373.0.camel@rocket> <9c3bfa1d0711160546y13b031fal3c81786efe16a2df@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1195221591.3095.0.camel@rocket> I think the pallette is not balanced. Good example are GNOME icons - polished Tango! pallette and fresh look. Dnia 16-11-2007, pi? o godzinie 13:46 +0000, Ben Arnold pisze: > I think in this particular one - I haven't looked elsewhere - the > question mark isn't very contrasted with the blue disc. Perhaps a > dark grey (metal) questionmark on the smaller versions? Looks fine on > the bigger ones. > > ./b > > On 16/11/2007, Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek wrote: > > I don't know why but Echo =< 32x32 are so... hard to read. > > > > Dnia 16-11-2007, pi? o godzinie 02:38 -0800, Luya Tshimbalanga pisze: > > > Here is user-info icon done after homework. > > > > > > Luya > -- (o_ Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek //\ Fedora Project || | V_/_ http://liviopl.jogger.pl/ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Alle Infos und kostenlose Anmeldung: http://www.gmx.net/de/go/freemail From liviopl.pl at gmail.com Fri Nov 16 14:45:34 2007 From: liviopl.pl at gmail.com (Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek) Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2007 15:45:34 +0100 Subject: [Draft] Echo version of user-info In-Reply-To: <20071116143909.235140@gmx.net> References: <473D732F.9000605@thefinalzone.com> <1195219043.2373.0.camel@rocket> <9c3bfa1d0711160546y13b031fal3c81786efe16a2df@mail.gmail.com> <1195221591.3095.0.camel@rocket> <20071116143909.235140@gmx.net> Message-ID: <1195224334.3584.3.camel@rocket> Tango! style is well recognized and accepted, but Fedora Project is not using it, event if it is owning popularity. Tango! soon will be used in many new products, but Fedora wants to look fancy, by mixing style, ok, but I'll boycott this, always. Dnia 16-11-2007, pi? o godzinie 15:39 +0100, Joachim Frieben pisze: > > I think the palette is not balanced. > > Good example are GNOME icons - polished Tango! pallete and fresh look. > > Some discussion had taken place on this issue in the past without reaching a consensus; see, e.g.: > > http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-art-list/2006-August/msg00028.html > > and other posts to thread "New Icon Set...[echo]..." more than a year ago. -- (o_ Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek //\ Fedora Project || | V_/_ http://liviopl.jogger.pl/ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Jakub, we are using the default GNOME icon theme worked on by Jakub Steiner and lapo among others, who are Tango artists and done using a Tango style. ~m From liviopl.pl at gmail.com Fri Nov 16 15:28:57 2007 From: liviopl.pl at gmail.com (Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek) Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2007 16:28:57 +0100 Subject: [Draft] Echo version of user-info In-Reply-To: <473DAD52.7080007@redhat.com> References: <473D732F.9000605@thefinalzone.com> <1195219043.2373.0.camel@rocket> <9c3bfa1d0711160546y13b031fal3c81786efe16a2df@mail.gmail.com> <1195221591.3095.0.camel@rocket> <20071116143909.235140@gmx.net> <1195224334.3584.3.camel@rocket> <473DAD52.7080007@redhat.com> Message-ID: <1195226937.5849.1.camel@rocket> I'm talking about Echo. I should write "Fedora Project is not going to use it". Echo doesn't and will not use Tango! style guidelines, I'm sure. It's too beautiful to be true. Dnia 16-11-2007, pi? o godzinie 09:46 -0500, M?ir?n Duffy pisze: > Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek wrote: > > Tango! style is well recognized and accepted, but Fedora Project is not > > using it, event if it is owning popularity. > > > > Tango! soon will be used in many new products, but Fedora wants to look > > fancy, by mixing style, ok, but I'll boycott this, always. > > Jakub, we are using the default GNOME icon theme worked on by Jakub > Steiner and lapo among others, who are Tango artists and done using a > Tango style. > > ~m > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list -- (o_ Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek //\ Fedora Project || | V_/_ http://liviopl.jogger.pl/ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I think there are proposed changes for the > > development process which would put the "naming" process earlier in > > part to get the art team time to have the option to build a theme > > associated with the codename. > > > > Regardless of when it happens, there are established rules for the > > name game, which I assume people in this thread are not aware of. > > Names between releases must relate. Release N+1 must be named such > > that releaser N+1 relates to N, such that releases N+1 and N-1 are not > > similarly related. So we can for example just keep picking city names > > or flower names over and over again. > > > > The rules for F9 as I understand them are: > > The relationship that connects Moonshine and Werewolf cannot be re-used. > > The F9 name and werewolf must share are "both are" relationship. > > The F9 name and moonshine must not share a "both are" relationship > > You also should provide an obvious next relationship that can be used > > to connect the name to F9 to F10 > > > > The "Unicorn" example I provided follows the name game rules. I stated > > the N+1 to N relationship explicitly. Both a unicorn and a werewolf > > are mythical creatures whereas moonshine is not. > > I also hinted at the next relationship that can be used to move beyond > > unicorn. Unicorn was the mascot for my high school, so for F10 you > > could move from unicorn to any high school mascot that was not a > > mystical creature. Though that's actually not a good out. A better out > > would be Tom Cruise movie co-stars (a unicorn was in the movie > > Legend). > > > > Names like "galaxy" or "night bird" need to be given in the context of > > the "N+1 and N are a something, but N+1 and N-1 are not a > > something" rule. The naming isn't random, but its constrained by how > > clever we are coming up with relationships between the names. > > > > -jef > > I was not aware of the guidelines you note above. That being said, I > think that Bellerophon could fit, since it is a mythical character and > could then lead us into the domain of sci-fi, which is then wide > open... > > Of course, the Six Degrees of Tom Cruise would lead us into some > interesting territory... > > :-) > > Marc > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list > -- Aaron Bowman, Fedora Docs Wannabe gpg fingerprint: 2DD4 471F 12F4 FB93 986F 2B41 17DB 3139 CBF6 2385 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From stickster at gmail.com Sat Nov 17 06:19:16 2007 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2007 01:19:16 -0500 Subject: Nodoka suggestion Message-ID: <1195280356.15039.10.camel@localhost.localdomain> I am really pleased with the way Nodoka looks. One thing I would like to suggest is a slightly thicker "indicator" for when I hit Alt+Tab to find a different window on the screen. The outline that appears is a bit thin and makes it hard to discern which window is getting the potential focus. The problem is particularly apparent on high resolution monitors (with > 1024x768 resolution). -- Paul W. Frields, RHCE http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 Fedora Project: http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Some Echo icons like the one in category group are directly derived from Tango! version. The taste has become a matter of preferences with a continuous loop. -- Luya Tshimbalanga Fedora Project contributor http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/LuyaTshimbalanga From liviopl.pl at gmail.com Sat Nov 17 10:13:22 2007 From: liviopl.pl at gmail.com (Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek) Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2007 11:13:22 +0100 Subject: [Draft] Echo version of user-info In-Reply-To: <1195287715.473ea4a3ad2cf@ssl.mecca.ca> References: <473D732F.9000605@thefinalzone.com> <1195219043.2373.0.camel@rocket> <9c3bfa1d0711160546y13b031fal3c81786efe16a2df@mail.gmail.com> <1195221591.3095.0.camel@rocket> <20071116143909.235140@gmx.net> <1195224334.3584.3.camel@rocket> <473DAD52.7080007@redhat.com> <1195226937.5849.1.camel@rocket> <1195287715.473ea4a3ad2cf@ssl.mecca.ca> Message-ID: <1195294402.2245.0.camel@rocket> But those icons aren't using Tango! pallette. This make them unreadable and small contrasted. Dnia 17-11-2007, sob o godzinie 03:21 -0500, Luya Tshimbalanga pisze: > Quoting Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek : > > > I'm talking about Echo. I should write "Fedora Project is not going to > > use it". Echo doesn't and will not use Tango! style guidelines, I'm > > sure. > > Which is not a bad thing. Some Echo icons like the one in category group are > directly derived from Tango! version. The taste has become a matter of > preferences with a continuous loop. -- (o_ Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek //\ Fedora Project || | V_/_ http://liviopl.jogger.pl/ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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It may look more clear when in samller sizes. ./b -- | Ben Arnold | | e-mail / msn / icq / web | | http://clik.to/seawolfsanctuary | | ben.arnold.inbox (at) gmail.com | | GnuPG Available - ask me! | From liviopl.pl at gmail.com Sat Nov 17 16:48:20 2007 From: liviopl.pl at gmail.com (Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek) Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2007 17:48:20 +0100 Subject: Infinity-inspired Flying High desktop slideshow Message-ID: <1195318100.13856.1.camel@rocket> Hi, I modified GDM background from Flying High, which is better for wallpaper than original FH wallpaper, and made animated slideshow. Package waiting for review request [1]. 1| https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=388541 -- (o_ Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek //\ Fedora Project || | V_/_ http://liviopl.jogger.pl/ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Alone, icons seems unreadable until they are set into the desktop or application. -- Luya Tshimbalanga http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/LuyaTshimbalanga Fedora Project Contributor Fedora Artwork From tshimulu at gmail.com Sun Nov 18 03:59:40 2007 From: tshimulu at gmail.com (Luya Tshimbalanga) Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2007 22:59:40 -0500 Subject: [Draft] Echo version of user-info In-Reply-To: <9c3bfa1d0711170255h697be4fbkbae7feffb9d85b27@mail.gmail.com> References: <473D732F.9000605@thefinalzone.com> <9c3bfa1d0711170255h697be4fbkbae7feffb9d85b27@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On 11/17/07, Ben Arnold wrote: > On 16/11/2007, Luya Tshimbalanga wrote: > > Here is user-info icon done after homework. > > > > Luya > > Just a thought: how about using a contact card as the metaphor? > Thinking similar to contact-new but with a star or different > photo/card sizing? It may look more clear when in samller sizes. > > ./b I thought about that idea until I noticed there is a similar icons for Evolution on default installation. I will try that when I will arrive at home. -- Luya Tshimbalanga http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/LuyaTshimbalanga Fedora Project Contributor Fedora Artwork From luya_tfz at thefinalzone.com Sun Nov 18 11:12:24 2007 From: luya_tfz at thefinalzone.com (Luya Tshimbalanga) Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2007 03:12:24 -0800 Subject: [Draft] alternate Echo version of user-info In-Reply-To: <473D732F.9000605@thefinalzone.com> References: <473D732F.9000605@thefinalzone.com> Message-ID: <47401E18.7040106@thefinalzone.com> Following Ben suggestion Luya -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: user-info16b.png Type: image/png Size: 1179 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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You can find the gnome icon e.g. in /usr/share/icons/gnome/22x22/apps/user-info.png. Martin From martin.sourada at seznam.cz Mon Nov 19 15:36:35 2007 From: martin.sourada at seznam.cz (Martin Sourada) Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2007 16:36:35 +0100 Subject: [Draft] alternate Echo version of user-info In-Reply-To: <1195476727.2633.4.camel@pc-notebook.kolej.mff.cuni.cz> References: <473D732F.9000605@thefinalzone.com> <47401E18.7040106@thefinalzone.com> <1195476727.2633.4.camel@pc-notebook.kolej.mff.cuni.cz> Message-ID: <1195486595.2633.10.camel@pc-notebook.kolej.mff.cuni.cz> I quickly sketched my version (derived from gnome icon). I attach all the sizes. Comments welcome, Martin -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: user-info16.png Type: image/png Size: 792 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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You can find the gnome icon e.g. > in /usr/share/icons/gnome/22x22/apps/user-info.png. I have intentionally left the question mark being busy with homework and tired as well. As for color of the profile, lets ask Jakub and other about the colour suitable. -- Luya Tshimbalanga Fedora Project contributor http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/LuyaTshimbalanga From luya_tfz at thefinalzone.com Tue Nov 20 01:18:23 2007 From: luya_tfz at thefinalzone.com (Luya Tshimbalanga) Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2007 20:18:23 -0500 Subject: [Draft] alternate Echo version of user-info In-Reply-To: <1195476727.2633.4.camel@pc-notebook.kolej.mff.cuni.cz> References: <473D732F.9000605@thefinalzone.com> <47401E18.7040106@thefinalzone.com> <1195476727.2633.4.camel@pc-notebook.kolej.mff.cuni.cz> Message-ID: <1195521503.474235dfad879@ssl.mecca.ca> Quoting Martin Sourada : > Luya and others, > > as most of you already know, I am for following the gnome shapes for > icons as much as possible in the Echo theme, so I looked how the > user-info icon looks in gnome icon theme and I would suggest to use the > icon we have for user + emblem with 'i' inside (instead of the current > '?'). You can find the gnome icon e.g. > in /usr/share/icons/gnome/22x22/apps/user-info.png. I have intentionally left the question mark being busy with homework and tired as well. As for color of the profile, lets ask Jakub and other about the colour suitable. -- Luya Tshimbalanga Fedora Project contributor http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/LuyaTshimbalanga From luya_tfz at thefinalzone.com Tue Nov 20 09:33:23 2007 From: luya_tfz at thefinalzone.com (Luya Tshimbalanga) Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2007 01:33:23 -0800 Subject: [Draft] alternate Echo version of user-info In-Reply-To: <1195486595.2633.10.camel@pc-notebook.kolej.mff.cuni.cz> References: <473D732F.9000605@thefinalzone.com> <47401E18.7040106@thefinalzone.com> <1195476727.2633.4.camel@pc-notebook.kolej.mff.cuni.cz> <1195486595.2633.10.camel@pc-notebook.kolej.mff.cuni.cz> Message-ID: <4742A9E3.7010408@thefinalzone.com> Slight modification. Switched the body to metallic gray gradient. 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Martin From martin.sourada at seznam.cz Tue Nov 20 10:52:44 2007 From: martin.sourada at seznam.cz (Martin Sourada) Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2007 11:52:44 +0100 Subject: New Echo release Message-ID: <1195555964.2633.20.camel@pc-notebook.kolej.mff.cuni.cz> Hi, some time ago I released new version of Echo (0.3.1) in order to fix rhbz #333231 [1] and released it to rawhide. It is basically a snapshot of trunk, but with disabled SVGs. I am considering to release it as an update to F8 as well, what do you think Luya? Martin References: [1] https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=333231 From luya_tfz at thefinalzone.com Tue Nov 20 16:06:47 2007 From: luya_tfz at thefinalzone.com (Luya Tshimbalanga) Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2007 08:06:47 -0800 Subject: New Echo release In-Reply-To: <1195555964.2633.20.camel@pc-notebook.kolej.mff.cuni.cz> References: <1195555964.2633.20.camel@pc-notebook.kolej.mff.cuni.cz> Message-ID: <47430617.3090501@thefinalzone.com> Martin Sourada a ?crit : > Hi, > > some time ago I released new version of Echo (0.3.1) in order to fix > rhbz #333231 [1] and released it to rawhide. It is basically a snapshot > of trunk, but with disabled SVGs. I am considering to release it as an > update to F8 as well, what do you think Luya? > > Martin > > References: > [1] https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=333231 > Please do it. I have installed that version on Fedora 8, no issue to report. Luya From johnp at redhat.com Tue Nov 20 17:08:11 2007 From: johnp at redhat.com (John (J5) Palmieri) Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2007 12:08:11 -0500 Subject: Request for project icon and logo Message-ID: <1195578491.2750.18.camel@localhost.localdomain> Hey guys I have a project I am releasing through Fedora. It is called D-Feet and is a GTK+ based debugger for D-Bus. Go wild, I just want something that is readily identifiable. -- John (J5) Palmieri From jjmasek at gmail.com Tue Nov 20 20:07:20 2007 From: jjmasek at gmail.com (Jiri Jakub Masek) Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2007 21:07:20 +0100 Subject: Request for project icon and logo In-Reply-To: <1195578491.2750.18.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1195578491.2750.18.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: Hi John, just a simple logo for you... JJM 2007/11/20, John (J5) Palmieri : > > Hey guys I have a project I am releasing through Fedora. It is called > D-Feet and is a GTK+ based debugger for D-Bus. 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I just remember that it's called ndoka-kwin-theme after I uploaded this :D Have fun and give feedbacks :) Cheers! [1] http://ljuwaida.fedorapeople.org/Artwork/Nodoka/KDE/WindowDecoration/NodokaWindowDecorationKDE-0.2.tar.gz -- Laith Juwaidah http://www.ljuwaidah.org/ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part. URL: From ljuwaidah at gmail.com Tue Nov 20 18:03:55 2007 From: ljuwaidah at gmail.com (Laith Juwaidah) Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2007 22:03:55 +0400 Subject: Nodoka 0.2 for KDE Message-ID: <200711202204.12620.ljuwaidah@gmail.com> Hi, I just uploaded it to my fedorapeople space[1]. I'll upload it to git soon! Oh, and sorry about the name... I just remember that it's called ndoka-kwin-theme after I uploaded this :D Have fun and give feedbacks :) Cheers! [1] http://ljuwaida.fedorapeople.org/Artwork/Nodoka/KDE/WindowDecoration/NodokaWindowDecorationKDE-0.2.tar.gz -- Laith Juwaidah http://www.ljuwaidah.org/ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part. URL: From ljuwaida at fedoraproject.org Wed Nov 21 11:56:27 2007 From: ljuwaida at fedoraproject.org (Laith Juwaidah) Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2007 15:56:27 +0400 Subject: Nodoka 0.2 for KDE In-Reply-To: <200711202204.12620.ljuwaidah@gmail.com> References: <200711202204.12620.ljuwaidah@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi, I just uploaded it to my fedorapeople space[1]. I'll upload it to git soon! Oh, and sorry about the name... I just remember that it's called ndoka-kwin-theme after I uploaded this :D Have fun and give feedbacks :) Cheers! [1] http://ljuwaida.fedorapeople.org/Artwork/Nodoka/KDE/WindowDecoration/NodokaWindowDecorationKDE-0.2.tar.gz -- Laith Juwaidah http://www.ljuwaidah.org/ From liviopl.pl at gmail.com Wed Nov 21 12:21:06 2007 From: liviopl.pl at gmail.com (Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek) Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2007 13:21:06 +0100 Subject: Icon theme for ubuntu Message-ID: <1195647666.2536.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> Shame yourself, Echo artists. Tango! style guidelines are making icons looks perfect. Look [1] ! Echo looks like icon theme for Sugar interface... 1| http://bomahy.nl/hylke/blog/ubuntu-icon-theme/ -- (o_ Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek //\ Fedora Project || | V_/_ http://liviopl.jogger.pl/ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Echo looks like icon theme for Sugar > > interface... > > > > > > > > 1| http://bomahy.nl/hylke/blog/ubuntu-icon-theme/ > > I love the trash can it looks nicer, at least in the size used on the > desktop, than the Tango one. > > - David > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list -- (o_ Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek //\ Fedora Project || | V_/_ http://liviopl.jogger.pl/ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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From liviopl.pl at gmail.com Wed Nov 21 13:14:48 2007 From: liviopl.pl at gmail.com (Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek) Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2007 14:14:48 +0100 Subject: Icon theme for ubuntu In-Reply-To: <1195650824.2836.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1195647666.2536.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1195648683.12451.3.camel@dawkins> <1195648758.2873.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1195650824.2836.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1195650888.3514.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> Because I have no graphic skills. Don't tell me "shut up", even in a subtle way, because I don't want Fedora to look like ugly piece of dog's... shit. Dnia 21-11-2007, ?ro o godzinie 08:13 -0500, Matthias Clasen pisze: > On Wed, 2007-11-21 at 13:39 +0100, Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek wrote: > > I think it's not hard to create professional looking icon theme. > > Try Echo with Infinity theme - this is proffesional? I don't think so. > > If it is not hard, why do you do it and come back when you have > something to show ? > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list -- (o_ Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek //\ Fedora Project || | V_/_ http://liviopl.jogger.pl/ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: To jest cz??? wiadomo?ci podpisana cyfrowo URL: From mclasen at redhat.com Wed Nov 21 13:22:33 2007 From: mclasen at redhat.com (Matthias Clasen) Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2007 08:22:33 -0500 Subject: Icon theme for ubuntu In-Reply-To: <1195650888.3514.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1195647666.2536.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1195648683.12451.3.camel@dawkins> <1195648758.2873.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1195650824.2836.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1195650888.3514.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1195651353.2836.12.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Wed, 2007-11-21 at 14:14 +0100, Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek wrote: > Because I have no graphic skills. > Don't tell me "shut up", even in a subtle way, because I don't want > Fedora to look like ugly piece of dog's... shit. I'm not asking you to shut up, but a little self-moderation would go a long way, in particular if you are participating in an area where you have no skills... From martin.sourada at seznam.cz Wed Nov 21 13:23:55 2007 From: martin.sourada at seznam.cz (Martin Sourada) Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2007 14:23:55 +0100 Subject: Icon theme for ubuntu In-Reply-To: <1195650888.3514.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1195647666.2536.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1195648683.12451.3.camel@dawkins> <1195648758.2873.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1195650824.2836.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1195650888.3514.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1195651435.6205.6.camel@pc-notebook.kolej.mff.cuni.cz> On Wed, 2007-11-21 at 14:14 +0100, Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek wrote: > Because I have no graphic skills. > Don't tell me "shut up", even in a subtle way, because I don't want > Fedora to look like ugly piece of dog's... shit. > Please, don't use harsh expressions. It is your opinion and you ought to be well aware of that. There are plenty of people who like Echo, there are plenty of people who use Echo even though it is still far from complete (including me) and there are plenty of people who disgust tango icons. Don't expect anything will be as YOU please. This is community driven project, not a one man show. So, you are welcome to criticise, but you are even more welcome to contribute yourself. Don't expect us to throw all the work we have done on Echo away. And always bear in mind - beauty is subjective. Thanks, Martin From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Wed Nov 21 16:22:38 2007 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2007 18:22:38 +0200 Subject: Icon theme for ubuntu In-Reply-To: <1195650888.3514.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1195647666.2536.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1195648683.12451.3.camel@dawkins> <1195648758.2873.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1195650824.2836.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1195650888.3514.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <47445B4E.9060406@nicubunu.ro> Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek wrote: > Because I have no graphic skills. Then don't judge what is "hard" or "easy". > Don't tell me "shut up", even in a subtle way, because I don't want > Fedora to look like ugly piece of dog's... shit. You can at least package those Unbuntu icons for Fedora so those who want them and find them "perfect" can easily install. -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From liviopl.pl at gmail.com Wed Nov 21 16:24:58 2007 From: liviopl.pl at gmail.com (Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek) Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2007 17:24:58 +0100 Subject: Icon theme for ubuntu In-Reply-To: <47445B4E.9060406@nicubunu.ro> References: <1195647666.2536.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1195648683.12451.3.camel@dawkins> <1195648758.2873.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1195650824.2836.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1195650888.3514.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> <47445B4E.9060406@nicubunu.ro> Message-ID: <1195662298.5487.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> Those icons are not yet ready, but for now they're looking better than ****** Echo. Dnia 21-11-2007, ?ro o godzinie 18:22 +0200, Nicu Buculei pisze: > Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek wrote: > > Because I have no graphic skills. > > Then don't judge what is "hard" or "easy". > > > Don't tell me "shut up", even in a subtle way, because I don't want > > Fedora to look like ugly piece of dog's... shit. > > You can at least package those Unbuntu icons for Fedora so those who > want them and find them "perfect" can easily install. > -- (o_ Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek //\ Fedora Project || | V_/_ http://liviopl.jogger.pl/ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: To jest cz??? wiadomo?ci podpisana cyfrowo URL: From david at lovesunix.net Wed Nov 21 17:08:34 2007 From: david at lovesunix.net (David Nielsen) Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2007 18:08:34 +0100 Subject: Icon theme for ubuntu In-Reply-To: <1195650824.2836.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1195647666.2536.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1195648683.12451.3.camel@dawkins> <1195648758.2873.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1195650824.2836.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1195664914.12451.64.camel@dawkins> On Wed, 2007-11-21 at 08:13 -0500, Matthias Clasen wrote: > On Wed, 2007-11-21 at 13:39 +0100, Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek wrote: > > I think it's not hard to create professional looking icon theme. > > Try Echo with Infinity theme - this is proffesional? I don't think so. > > If it is not hard, why do you do it and come back when you have > something to show ? yum install tango-icon-theme, there's something to show. Shall I start filing bugs on all the components in Fedora that currently does not accept an easy theme change such as rhgb, gdm, anaconda and so on (preferredly something like replacing the fedora-artwork package or a similar option). I believe that was the proposed solution we got from the art team the last time, yet no work has gone into enabling said choice of the user. A choice which will be needed since echo has poor accessibility - However this was claimed as not being a target (a complete understandable and acceptable design decision if it wasn't for the fact that the aim is to be our default iconset), despite the rest of the distro aiming for good defaults for handicapped people. Advancements such as PolicyKit are being integrate which will enable using a screen reader on applications which would normally not work, a specific goal on moral grounds as pointed out by davidz in his linux.conf.au 2007 talk "Gluing a desktop and a kernel together[1]. Why should our artwork go against such a goal, being handicapped myself and having worked extensively which people suffering from a wide range impairments I can honestly say this group of users have very little choice currently not to mention they are tied to proprietary platforms. Fedora has a clear market opening if we want it, furthermore with laws being the way they are in most countries we cannot be used in government deployments unless we are accessible (Section 508 in the US e.g.). I have mainly been a pain about this because I think it's a moral obligation to ensure that everyone has the option to use Fedora and I believe the default should strive for a mix of good looks and good accessibility - Tango has that and it has good adoption upstream (OpenOffice, GIMP, Jokosher.. many projects default to using Tango icons). The only way to offer Echo, Tango and everything else which is on the table would be to easily allow theme changes for the entire system, not just session icons and select a sensible default - this work has not been done, seeing as the artwork team wants Echo and originally offered this solution I assumed they would be filing the bugs - this however does not seem to be the case. This is not about my personal opinion on the look of Echo, it's about being able to offer the choice of freedom to a group of people who currently has none and expanding our potential userbase. Untill you have seen the change of life quality the ability to communicate and work does to a person who is paralysed from the neck down, I doubt anyone will truly understand. I happen to have seen this, an accessible computer gave this person the option to work 10-15 hours a week - the change in his life cannot be expressed. I would like to see us offer that without the hefty pricetag and exclusion from common applications they currently have. I would like this kind of profound change to be part of what we help give to the world. I think it starts with addressing the most widespread impairments.. eye sight (degraded eye sight, color blindness, etc.). Much of that can be done with good defaults, some requires the option of having e.g. high contrast icons (colorblindness can now been aided by compiz plugins - I'm unsure of the current state of tie in to the accessibility settings). Additionally an option to change the system unified look would make branding for special deployment as well as spins much nicer. Thank you for your time, David Nielsen [1] http://mirror.linux.org.au/pub/linux.conf.au/2007/video/talks/220.ogg (about 24 mins into the video) http://mirror.linux.org.au/pub/linux.conf.au/2007/video/talks/220.pdf (as well as page 49 in the slideshow pdf file) -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From liviopl.pl at gmail.com Wed Nov 21 17:13:44 2007 From: liviopl.pl at gmail.com (Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek) Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2007 18:13:44 +0100 Subject: Icon theme for ubuntu In-Reply-To: <1195664914.12451.64.camel@dawkins> References: <1195647666.2536.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1195648683.12451.3.camel@dawkins> <1195648758.2873.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1195650824.2836.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1195664914.12451.64.camel@dawkins> Message-ID: <1195665225.6290.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> GDM is already themed. Look at %{_bindir}/gdmsetup. Dnia 21-11-2007, ?ro o godzinie 18:08 +0100, David Nielsen pisze: > On Wed, 2007-11-21 at 08:13 -0500, Matthias Clasen wrote: > > On Wed, 2007-11-21 at 13:39 +0100, Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek wrote: > > > I think it's not hard to create professional looking icon theme. > > > Try Echo with Infinity theme - this is proffesional? I don't think so. > > > > If it is not hard, why do you do it and come back when you have > > something to show ? > > yum install tango-icon-theme, there's something to show. > > Shall I start filing bugs on all the components in Fedora that currently > does not accept an easy theme change such as rhgb, gdm, anaconda and so > on (preferredly something like replacing the fedora-artwork package or a > similar option). I believe that was the proposed solution we got from > the art team the last time, yet no work has gone into enabling said > choice of the user. A choice which will be needed since echo has poor > accessibility - However this was claimed as not being a target (a > complete understandable and acceptable design decision if it wasn't for > the fact that the aim is to be our default iconset), despite the rest of > the distro aiming for good defaults for handicapped people. Advancements > such as PolicyKit are being integrate which will enable using a screen > reader on applications which would normally not work, a specific goal on > moral grounds as pointed out by davidz in his linux.conf.au 2007 talk > "Gluing a desktop and a kernel together[1]. > > Why should our artwork go against such a goal, being handicapped myself > and having worked extensively which people suffering from a wide range > impairments I can honestly say this group of users have very little > choice currently not to mention they are tied to proprietary platforms. > > Fedora has a clear market opening if we want it, furthermore with laws > being the way they are in most countries we cannot be used in government > deployments unless we are accessible (Section 508 in the US e.g.). > > I have mainly been a pain about this because I think it's a moral > obligation to ensure that everyone has the option to use Fedora and I > believe the default should strive for a mix of good looks and good > accessibility - Tango has that and it has good adoption upstream > (OpenOffice, GIMP, Jokosher.. many projects default to using Tango > icons). > > The only way to offer Echo, Tango and everything else which is on the > table would be to easily allow theme changes for the entire system, not > just session icons and select a sensible default - this work has not > been done, seeing as the artwork team wants Echo and originally offered > this solution I assumed they would be filing the bugs - this however > does not seem to be the case. > > This is not about my personal opinion on the look of Echo, it's about > being able to offer the choice of freedom to a group of people who > currently has none and expanding our potential userbase. > > Untill you have seen the change of life quality the ability to > communicate and work does to a person who is paralysed from the neck > down, I doubt anyone will truly understand. I happen to have seen this, > an accessible computer gave this person the option to work 10-15 hours a > week - the change in his life cannot be expressed. I would like to see > us offer that without the hefty pricetag and exclusion from common > applications they currently have. I would like this kind of profound > change to be part of what we help give to the world. I think it starts > with addressing the most widespread impairments.. eye sight (degraded > eye sight, color blindness, etc.). Much of that can be done with good > defaults, some requires the option of having e.g. high contrast icons > (colorblindness can now been aided by compiz plugins - I'm unsure of the > current state of tie in to the accessibility settings). > > Additionally an option to change the system unified look would make > branding for special deployment as well as spins much nicer. > > Thank you for your time, > David Nielsen > > [1] > http://mirror.linux.org.au/pub/linux.conf.au/2007/video/talks/220.ogg > (about 24 mins into the video) > http://mirror.linux.org.au/pub/linux.conf.au/2007/video/talks/220.pdf > (as well as page 49 in the slideshow pdf file) > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list -- (o_ Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek //\ Fedora Project || | V_/_ http://liviopl.jogger.pl/ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Requires an additional step, hopefully one day we'll be able to just have a "make theme system wide" tick box when changing the theme and then use policykit to prompt for the admin password or other form of authetication. - David -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From luya_tfz at thefinalzone.com Wed Nov 21 20:10:16 2007 From: luya_tfz at thefinalzone.com (Luya Tshimbalanga) Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2007 12:10:16 -0800 Subject: Icon theme for ubuntu In-Reply-To: <1195664914.12451.64.camel@dawkins> References: <1195647666.2536.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1195648683.12451.3.camel@dawkins> <1195648758.2873.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1195650824.2836.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1195664914.12451.64.camel@dawkins> Message-ID: <474490A8.3080109@thefinalzone.com> David Nielsen a ?crit : > On Wed, 2007-11-21 at 08:13 -0500, Matthias Clasen wrote: > >> On Wed, 2007-11-21 at 13:39 +0100, Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek wrote: >> >>> I think it's not hard to create professional looking icon theme. >>> Try Echo with Infinity theme - this is proffesional? I don't think so. >>> >> If it is not hard, why do you do it and come back when you have >> something to show ? >> > > yum install tango-icon-theme, there's something to show. > > Shall I start filing bugs on all the components in Fedora that currently > does not accept an easy theme change such as rhgb, gdm, anaconda and so > on (preferredly something like replacing the fedora-artwork package or a > similar option). I believe that was the proposed solution we got from > the art team the last time, yet no work has gone into enabling said > choice of the user. A choice which will be needed since echo has poor > accessibility - However this was claimed as not being a target (a > complete understandable and acceptable design decision if it wasn't for > the fact that the aim is to be our default iconset), despite the rest of > the distro aiming for good defaults for handicapped people. Advancements > such as PolicyKit are being integrate which will enable using a screen > reader on applications which would normally not work, a specific goal on > moral grounds as pointed out by davidz in his linux.conf.au 2007 talk > "Gluing a desktop and a kernel together[1]. > It would be nice to see the list of problem instead of having to guess. For artist point of view, it is very hard to design a theme to please everybody (it will never happen and it does take a miracle to pull that off). If the problem is about colours blindness, maybe a black and white icon themes similar to XO laptop would provide an alternative or use only plain texts to interact. We can have an endless debate about having the best icon theme for a while. At the end, it comes to choose the theme suitable for individual. Luya -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From luya_tfz at thefinalzone.com Wed Nov 21 20:18:10 2007 From: luya_tfz at thefinalzone.com (Luya Tshimbalanga) Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2007 12:18:10 -0800 Subject: Icon theme for ubuntu In-Reply-To: <1195664914.12451.64.camel@dawkins> References: <1195647666.2536.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1195648683.12451.3.camel@dawkins> <1195648758.2873.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1195650824.2836.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1195664914.12451.64.camel@dawkins> Message-ID: <47449282.7090701@thefinalzone.com> A possible suggestion, why not making a spin release of Fedora that focuses on people who have some disabilities? Luya From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Wed Nov 21 20:26:51 2007 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2007 01:56:51 +0530 Subject: Icon theme for ubuntu In-Reply-To: <47449282.7090701@thefinalzone.com> References: <1195647666.2536.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1195648683.12451.3.camel@dawkins> <1195648758.2873.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1195650824.2836.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1195664914.12451.64.camel@dawkins> <47449282.7090701@thefinalzone.com> Message-ID: <4744948B.9090808@fedoraproject.org> Luya Tshimbalanga wrote: > A possible suggestion, why not making a spin release of Fedora that > focuses on people who have some disabilities? ... because this should be a standard feature that we probably want all the desktop related spins to have. Rahul From david at lovesunix.net Wed Nov 21 20:47:00 2007 From: david at lovesunix.net (David Nielsen) Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2007 21:47:00 +0100 Subject: Icon theme for ubuntu In-Reply-To: <47449282.7090701@thefinalzone.com> References: <1195647666.2536.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1195648683.12451.3.camel@dawkins> <1195648758.2873.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1195650824.2836.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1195664914.12451.64.camel@dawkins> <47449282.7090701@thefinalzone.com> Message-ID: <1195678020.2905.25.camel@dawkins> ons, 21 11 2007 kl. 12:18 -0800, skrev Luya Tshimbalanga: > A possible suggestion, why not making a spin release of Fedora that > focuses on people who have some disabilities? Again, we have to support this to get in government deployments, which means it needs to be tested. This generally means enabled by default to get good coverage - not to mention that certain QA apps require the AT-SPI framework to work and running with them enabled has proven a great way to find obscure crashers. I believe we currently do not enable it by default purely because it tends to really encourage applications to die.. lots of work to make Fedora great for handicapped people of all shapes and sizes, icons and simple eyesight is one we can fix now, without degrading the look and feel for which Fedora has become known and praised. For some things you could do a special spin, like my paralysed friend might benefit from a Fedora that comes with his work apps, dasher and such. However for the majority, having it be adjustable is a good choice, say you have a company this means just setting the profiles up to fit the employees with sight problems using sabayon - a some what simpler and neater solution. When talking icons and themes, I doubt that is the best reason in the world to create an entire spin. The new gdm e.g. also includes better support for a11y, it seems to me that we are moving towards supporting this by default, at the very least Red Hat who has government contracts will need to do it, why shouldn't Fedora benefit and be a good choice for the impaired? It will mean a lot of work but really it should just be a choice of configuration to opt-out. Overall doing this will mean longterm a less buggy Fedora with a better experience for all, and naturally the option of opt-out as simple as clicking the disable assistance tick box and restarting the session. All I ask is that the artwork by default follow suit, Echo might very well seem like an appealing choice to some and I fully support there being an easy option to theme the entire OS.. it's user freedom, not to mention a damn cool feature if we can make it work (OpenOffice and Firefox spring to mind as hard applications to get good coverage of for all icon themes - I hear FF3 has a patch to use the stock icons from the session, hopefully OOo will eventually go down the same path). Spins are not the hammer that solves all problems - it certainly does not solve the problem in question on all counts. Also what sort of message do we send to handicapped people by making them second class citizens by default? - David -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: Dette er en digitalt underskrevet brevdel URL: From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Wed Nov 21 20:54:10 2007 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2007 02:24:10 +0530 Subject: Icon theme for ubuntu In-Reply-To: <1195664914.12451.64.camel@dawkins> References: <1195647666.2536.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1195648683.12451.3.camel@dawkins> <1195648758.2873.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1195650824.2836.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1195664914.12451.64.camel@dawkins> Message-ID: <47449AF2.4020304@fedoraproject.org> David Nielsen wrote: > Shall I start filing bugs on all the components in Fedora that currently > does not accept an easy theme change such as rhgb, gdm, anaconda and so > on (preferredly something like replacing the fedora-artwork package or a > similar option). I believe that was the proposed solution we got from > the art team the last time, yet no work has gone into enabling said > choice of the user. generic-logos package does help. Besides if you have things that you want to file bugs against including any issues you have in Echo, just do that instead. From all the long rants, I can't figure out the specific details involved. Rahul From martin.sourada at seznam.cz Wed Nov 21 21:31:19 2007 From: martin.sourada at seznam.cz (Martin Sourada) Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2007 22:31:19 +0100 Subject: Usability - SIG, Spin, Echo icons [was Re: Icon theme for ubuntu] In-Reply-To: <47449AF2.4020304@fedoraproject.org> References: <1195647666.2536.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1195648683.12451.3.camel@dawkins> <1195648758.2873.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1195650824.2836.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1195664914.12451.64.camel@dawkins> <47449AF2.4020304@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <1195680680.6205.19.camel@pc-notebook.kolej.mff.cuni.cz> On Wed, 2007-11-21 at 21:54 +0100, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > David Nielsen wrote: > > > Shall I start filing bugs on all the components in Fedora that currently > > does not accept an easy theme change such as rhgb, gdm, anaconda and so > > on (preferredly something like replacing the fedora-artwork package or a > > similar option). I believe that was the proposed solution we got from > > the art team the last time, yet no work has gone into enabling said > > choice of the user. > > generic-logos package does help. Besides if you have things that you > want to file bugs against including any issues you have in Echo, just do > that instead. From all the long rants, I can't figure out the specific > details involved. > > Rahul > Certainly, I think, David, if you know about issues with Echo usability why not point them out? I think we should take a look at it too a reach some consensus between our desires and usability, it is completely useless to make a icon theme which someone, e.g. colourblind people, will have problems using it. I encourage everyone to use same hue for borders so that the shapes would be easily distinguishable even if only used without colours (i.e. grey), for one. It is probably not enough, but it certainly makes them more usable. As for the suggested spin, I think it is a good idea and I see reasons for it. Yes, surely all the usability features should be available in the classical spins as well, but we don't need to enable all of them by default. Especially the artwork could be optimised specially for people with disabilities and enabled on such a spin. BTW. is there a SIG for usability? As you say, we (Fedora Project) care about usability but the applications does not support it as we'd like, so it would be good to coordinate our efforts to improve the situation. Martin From david at lovesunix.net Wed Nov 21 22:03:32 2007 From: david at lovesunix.net (David Nielsen) Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2007 23:03:32 +0100 Subject: Icon theme for ubuntu In-Reply-To: <47449AF2.4020304@fedoraproject.org> References: <1195647666.2536.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1195648683.12451.3.camel@dawkins> <1195648758.2873.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1195650824.2836.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1195664914.12451.64.camel@dawkins> <47449AF2.4020304@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <1195682612.2905.57.camel@dawkins> tor, 22 11 2007 kl. 02:24 +0530, skrev Rahul Sundaram: > David Nielsen wrote: > > > Shall I start filing bugs on all the components in Fedora that currently > > does not accept an easy theme change such as rhgb, gdm, anaconda and so > > on (preferredly something like replacing the fedora-artwork package or a > > similar option). I believe that was the proposed solution we got from > > the art team the last time, yet no work has gone into enabling said > > choice of the user. > > generic-logos package does help. Besides if you have things that you > want to file bugs against including any issues you have in Echo, just do > that instead. From all the long rants, I can't figure out the specific > details involved. Okay since you seem to think I rant I'll do an itemed list, sound good? 1) From previous debates on the list, Echo specifically does not target being accessible - that is perfectly okay but it makes it a less appealing choice as the new default. 2) Originally the solution proposed was making it easier to replace the entire set of artwork for all the distro - however I believe we should have good defaults on top of this solution.[1] 3) Decisions like targetting a11y by default should be set as a common goal (even if an undeclared one right now AFAIK), thus we should all take it into serious consideration. I'm some what saddened that the artwork team does not appear to take this group of people in account when selecting defaults. 4) Filing bugs against Echo is pointless on this issue since the design specifically excludes accessibility concerns. The same goes for the occasionally odd use of emblems[2] 5) What looks good is subjective, what works for people with sight impairments is at least something we can take into consideration[3] 6) Making a spin specially for handicapped people is a wrong solution and gives the impression that handicapped people are second class citizens in Fedora. Opt-out is a better option, especially given the many untested codepaths it will create to default to off and focusing QA on that. This is not however an artwork decision, it was merely brought up and as such deserved an answer. - David [1] I'll file bugs against components I know are hard to theme currently, I merely assumed this was an artwork team task since they provided the suggestion in the first place so I was under the impression this was already done. [2] There seems to be mixed use of symbols to indicate new and add, I filed a bug once upon a time on this and was told this was also by design. [3] Naturally we can't fix all the problems with one set but we can select a good set of defaults to hit the greatest common benefactor, GNOME already ships high contrast themes and other a11y icon themes for many cases that do not fit in the GCB catagory. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: Dette er en digitalt underskrevet brevdel URL: From martin.sourada at seznam.cz Wed Nov 21 22:30:59 2007 From: martin.sourada at seznam.cz (Martin Sourada) Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2007 23:30:59 +0100 Subject: Icon theme for ubuntu In-Reply-To: <1195682612.2905.57.camel@dawkins> References: <1195647666.2536.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1195648683.12451.3.camel@dawkins> <1195648758.2873.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1195650824.2836.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1195664914.12451.64.camel@dawkins> <47449AF2.4020304@fedoraproject.org> <1195682612.2905.57.camel@dawkins> Message-ID: <1195684259.6205.34.camel@pc-notebook.kolej.mff.cuni.cz> On Wed, 2007-11-21 at 23:03 +0100, David Nielsen wrote: > Okay since you seem to think I rant I'll do an itemed list, sound good? > > 1) From previous debates on the list, Echo specifically does not target > being accessible - that is perfectly okay but it makes it a less > appealing choice as the new default. > It does not specifically target it, but we do care about it nonetheless. You seems to have better info about accessibility and people with disabilities than we have, you can at least say what would you expect from us. The Echo styling guidelines are still not set in stone. > 2) Originally the solution proposed was making it easier to replace the > entire set of artwork for all the distro - however I believe we should > have good defaults on top of this solution.[1] > +1 > 3) Decisions like targetting a11y by default should be set as a common > goal (even if an undeclared one right now AFAIK), thus we should all > take it into serious consideration. I'm some what saddened that the > artwork team does not appear to take this group of people in account > when selecting defaults. > We're doing our best, but we need to please as much people as possible. The Echo theme was originally started by Diana, who was a redhat employee, we're taken over it later in the process and we are still learning. Suggestions are welcome. > 4) Filing bugs against Echo is pointless on this issue since the design > specifically excludes accessibility concerns. The same goes for the > occasionally odd use of emblems[2] > No, it's not. We does not explicitly say anywhere that we exclude accessibility concerns and while it is not our primary goal, filling bugs (preferably on hosted.fp.org) against the worst cases might help. The emblems as they are now are buggy and we need to fix their usage in the future. Basically, we would use pluses for symbolising the action of creating/adding something new and stars for the state of being something new or incoming. The blue stars you see currently in many Echo icons should be all replaced with pluses. > 5) What looks good is subjective, what works for people with sight > impairments is at least something we can take into consideration[3] > +1 > 6) Making a spin specially for handicapped people is a wrong solution > and gives the impression that handicapped people are second class > citizens in Fedora. Opt-out is a better option, especially given the > many untested codepaths it will create to default to off and focusing QA > on that. This is not however an artwork decision, it was merely brought > up and as such deserved an answer. > I don't think that making an optimised spin for handicapped people gives the impression that they are second class. Does the gamers spin, or developers spin makes gamers and developers seconds class? No. I think the contrary. But as I noted in one of my previous mails, it is more or less to have the right things enabled by default, not just about having choice. But we need the choice first, and I agree with you that it should be worked on (but this concern is better discussed on the -devel list). Martin > - David > > [1] I'll file bugs against components I know are hard to theme > currently, I merely assumed this was an artwork team task since they > provided the suggestion in the first place so I was under the impression > this was already done. > > [2] There seems to be mixed use of symbols to indicate new and add, I > filed a bug once upon a time on this and was told this was also by > design. > > [3] Naturally we can't fix all the problems with one set but we can > select a good set of defaults to hit the greatest common benefactor, > GNOME already ships high contrast themes and other a11y icon themes for > many cases that do not fit in the GCB catagory. > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list From david at lovesunix.net Wed Nov 21 22:40:48 2007 From: david at lovesunix.net (David Nielsen) Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2007 23:40:48 +0100 Subject: Usability - SIG, Spin, Echo icons [was Re: Icon theme for ubuntu] In-Reply-To: <1195680680.6205.19.camel@pc-notebook.kolej.mff.cuni.cz> References: <1195647666.2536.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1195648683.12451.3.camel@dawkins> <1195648758.2873.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1195650824.2836.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1195664914.12451.64.camel@dawkins> <47449AF2.4020304@fedoraproject.org> <1195680680.6205.19.camel@pc-notebook.kolej.mff.cuni.cz> Message-ID: <1195684848.2905.94.camel@dawkins> ons, 21 11 2007 kl. 22:31 +0100, skrev Martin Sourada: > I think, David, if you know about issues with Echo usability why not > point them out? I think we should take a look at it too a reach some > consensus between our desires and usability, it is completely useless to > make a icon theme which someone, e.g. colourblind people, will have > problems using it. I encourage everyone to use same hue for borders so > that the shapes would be easily distinguishable even if only used > without colours (i.e. grey), for one. It is probably not enough, but it > certainly makes them more usable. I tried that in the past, with less than succesful outcome. Colorblind issues however should likely be solved by the compiz plugins, that is free for you guys and solves the problem (hopefully) for the 3 major kinds of colorblindness without having to have 3 additional iconsets differing only in color scheme. I'm unsure if there'll be issues with shape and the appearance of the icons (clashing colors e.g.) but as part of the testing of any theme it might be nice to run a real world desktop image through VisCheck[1]. Likewise we should figure out a way to simulate common vision impairments, people with slightly blurred vision, basically people who need glasses but don't wear them. I'm unsure of any research or products being available to aid in this kind of testing - I suspect we could apply a slight blur filter in gimp to get an idea of how washed out the desktop and applications look. Echo has no defined shape, in my limited testing people with poor eyesight seem to have great difficulty reading information from icons that lack a strong outline. For those users, and there are a lot sadly, the kind of look Tango has seems to yield better results. I'll try to get more test subjects to play with my laptop with the different iconsets to get more input. Basically though, Echo is not designed with this in mind and I suspect reworking Echo would be a lot of work. Aside that I have noticed that emblem use is somewhat odd, you seem to use both + and * to indicate new and add (last time I checked - this might have changed). I filed a bug against this and was basically told there was a reason but not given said reason. I'd love to hear why this kind of confusion is preferable to selecting a standard akin to what Tango has done. > As for the suggested spin, I think it is a good idea and I see reasons > for it. Yes, surely all the usability features should be available in > the classical spins as well, but we don't need to enable all of them by > default. Especially the artwork could be optimised specially for people > with disabilities and enabled on such a spin. BTW. is there a SIG for > usability? As you say, we (Fedora Project) care about usability but the > applications does not support it as we'd like, so it would be good to > coordinate our efforts to improve the situation. I fundamentally disagree with making handicapped people second class citizens. It's perfectly simple to opt-out, at-spi doesn't draw many ressources and we need it for section 508 compliance. It makes more sense to enable it by default and make the cases like colorblindness a simple configuration option in the a11y capplet that would enable the compiz plugin and configure it for the sight issue. Similar with more extreme sight requirements like high contrast, we can provide it in the theme capplet. The main problem here is that not all of our applications obey the session settings, not to mention there's no option to make it apply to the system. For a single user system, being able to read the test and see the icons even at boot up would be the desirable long term goal. I'd rather work towards fixing those problems and selecting a good default - making a specific spin just for every combination of a11y friendly artwork seems excessive, for special cases it's definitely a good option though, like special tool requirements. I am unaware of the existance of an a11y SIG but usability was handled on the desktop-devel list way back in the day and Daniel Durand I think lead up a SIG on the subject. I think ultimately though that the board (or who ever makes technical decisions like this, there are so many acronyms and groups I get confused as to who does what) should make the decision if accessibility is an overall longterm goal to be prioritised in Fedora or not - then the SIGs can take it into consideration. I will naturally be happy to help with testing. Given time to schedule testing it's likely I can arrange to get any such testing done on demand, I'm fortunate enough to have good relations with a company who exclusively hire handicapped people so we should be well covered in terms of impairments. The access is likely going to be timelimited though, these people suffer and I'd like to not put them through to much so we definitely need to setup some kind of test protocol - this however is not really an artwork issue, we can test most poor sight via simulation. [1] http://www.vischeck.com/vischeck/ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Does the gamers spin, or > developers spin makes gamers and developers seconds class? No. I think > the contrary. But as I noted in one of my previous mails, it is more or > less to have the right things enabled by default, not just about having > choice. But we need the choice first, and I agree with you that it > should be worked on (but this concern is better discussed on the -devel > list). Okay let me sell it to you in a way you will understand more easily. Let's just take the colorblindness issue, there are 3 major kinds - this can mean up to 3 color scheme changes and adjustments to your iconset. Do you feel like potentially redoing all your icons 3 times when a nice Compiz filter can do it for you? Accessibility by default is a win for Martin here, less work, all you need to do is simulate (see my other mail) to see if there are any glaring problems. The same kind of problem arises with other kinds of impairments, the basic framework just needs to be enabled by default the rest is policy. Artwork is part of said policy, you do your part by leaning towards good defaults to hit this goal. Echo and more artistic leaning things will be a popular option as it has always been for those who select it. That being said, for the greatest common benefactor, I have to say I'm biased towards Tango as a good default it hits all the items on my checklist and it's visually pleasing to me. It's got good shapes, a colorscheme that seems to work for a wide range of visions and the icons have clear design. Echo will require a lot of work to get to the same spot not to mention it's far from having the same coverage and adoption as Tango. The default GNOME icons (which we use now, with a few changes I think) is also quite good in this regard. Special use cases will still require additional icons and themes, most of which we can lift from upstream GNOME though. I have no idea about the situation for KDE I'll leave that up to a more KDE savy person to expand upon their vision impairment technologies and coverage. I'll offer any help I can to reach a state where my fellow impaired users can enjoy a good out of the box experience with award winning bling and visuals. I do think we can combine the best of best worlds. - David -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: Dette er en digitalt underskrevet brevdel URL: From martin.sourada at seznam.cz Wed Nov 21 23:37:02 2007 From: martin.sourada at seznam.cz (Martin Sourada) Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2007 00:37:02 +0100 Subject: Usability - SIG, Spin, Echo icons [was Re: Icon theme for ubuntu] In-Reply-To: <1195684848.2905.94.camel@dawkins> References: <1195647666.2536.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1195648683.12451.3.camel@dawkins> <1195648758.2873.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1195650824.2836.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1195664914.12451.64.camel@dawkins> <47449AF2.4020304@fedoraproject.org> <1195680680.6205.19.camel@pc-notebook.kolej.mff.cuni.cz> <1195684848.2905.94.camel@dawkins> Message-ID: <1195688222.6205.41.camel@pc-notebook.kolej.mff.cuni.cz> On Wed, 2007-11-21 at 23:40 +0100, David Nielsen wrote: > [1] http://www.vischeck.com/vischeck/ Thanks for the link, to have some material to talk about, I've taken some of the newer Echo icons (all the 'category' icons [1] are done that way, and more or less finished) and run through the filters. I don't see any big issues with them, what do you think? I attach the original, plus the processed images, that are sadly saved in jpeg which does not give the best results... Martin References: [1] https://hosted.fedoraproject.org/projects/echo-icon-theme/wiki/IconThemeStatus/Categories -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: echo-trunk-applications.png Type: image/png Size: 18695 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: deuteranope.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 10643 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: protanope.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 10652 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: tritanope.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 10649 bytes Desc: not available URL: From david at lovesunix.net Thu Nov 22 00:42:20 2007 From: david at lovesunix.net (David Nielsen) Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2007 01:42:20 +0100 Subject: Usability - SIG, Spin, Echo icons [was Re: Icon theme for ubuntu] In-Reply-To: <1195688222.6205.41.camel@pc-notebook.kolej.mff.cuni.cz> References: <1195647666.2536.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1195648683.12451.3.camel@dawkins> <1195648758.2873.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1195650824.2836.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1195664914.12451.64.camel@dawkins> <47449AF2.4020304@fedoraproject.org> <1195680680.6205.19.camel@pc-notebook.kolej.mff.cuni.cz> <1195684848.2905.94.camel@dawkins> <1195688222.6205.41.camel@pc-notebook.kolej.mff.cuni.cz> Message-ID: <1195692140.2905.166.camel@dawkins> tor, 22 11 2007 kl. 00:37 +0100, skrev Martin Sourada: > On Wed, 2007-11-21 at 23:40 +0100, David Nielsen wrote: > > [1] http://www.vischeck.com/vischeck/ > > Thanks for the link, > > to have some material to talk about, I've taken some of the newer Echo > icons (all the 'category' icons [1] are done that way, and more or less > finished) and run through the filters. I don't see any big issues with > them, what do you think? I attach the original, plus the processed > images, that are sadly saved in jpeg which does not give the best > results... Generally, iso prespective make the icons look smaller, please remember that at this size both detail level and shape affects how easily you can utilize the brains wonderful pattern recognition abilities. I would strip the detail level down as much as possible and go for head on prespective. I would wager that the icons we display most often would be menu ones so they really deserve that extra attention and love. Another consideration with regards to prespective is that orientation matters in preception of size, twisted left seems smaller than twisted right because you appear to show off less surface area. The human brain is a strange beast. Add/Remove Software is very good, easy to spot, good shape use, colors work well across the colorblindness spectrum and it's head on prespective. A really good icon. The graphics icon is very hard to make out. I cannot I have to admit figure out what the office icon is suppose to look like, it does however seem to get better when the colorblindness filters are applied. Also notice how well the shape works for recognition for the games icon, low level of detail - despite even appearing small due to the iso prespective usage. It's also the only one to have a defined outline which really helps make the icon appear crisp and easy to recognize. This makes it work really well in every filter applied and I can make it out without my glasses on even from around 1m away. Where sexy and usable clashes is really the prespective, don't do iso unless at desktop icon size or above, you can candy it up with detail as size increases. Jimmac has a great article on his blog regarding the problems surrounding sizes and scaling icons[1]. [1] http://jimmac.musichall.cz/log/?p=177 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: Dette er en digitalt underskrevet brevdel URL: From luya_tfz at thefinalzone.com Thu Nov 22 03:32:21 2007 From: luya_tfz at thefinalzone.com (Luya Tshimbalanga) Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2007 22:32:21 -0500 Subject: Usability - SIG, Spin, Echo icons Message-ID: <1195702341.4744f8450abfb@ssl.mecca.ca> David, Thank you for providing the information about visual impairement. -- Luya Tshimbalanga Fedora Project contributor http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/LuyaTshimbalanga From martin.sourada at seznam.cz Thu Nov 22 08:36:03 2007 From: martin.sourada at seznam.cz (Martin Sourada) Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2007 09:36:03 +0100 Subject: Usability - SIG, Spin, Echo icons [was Re: Icon theme for ubuntu] In-Reply-To: <1195692140.2905.166.camel@dawkins> References: <1195647666.2536.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1195648683.12451.3.camel@dawkins> <1195648758.2873.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1195650824.2836.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1195664914.12451.64.camel@dawkins> <47449AF2.4020304@fedoraproject.org> <1195680680.6205.19.camel@pc-notebook.kolej.mff.cuni.cz> <1195684848.2905.94.camel@dawkins> <1195688222.6205.41.camel@pc-notebook.kolej.mff.cuni.cz> <1195692140.2905.166.camel@dawkins> Message-ID: <1195720563.6205.59.camel@pc-notebook.kolej.mff.cuni.cz> On Thu, 2007-11-22 at 01:42 +0100, David Nielsen wrote: > Generally, iso prespective make the icons look smaller, please remember > that at this size both detail level and shape affects how easily you can > utilize the brains wonderful pattern recognition abilities. I would > strip the detail level down as much as possible and go for head on > prespective. I would wager that the icons we display most often would be > menu ones so they really deserve that extra attention and love. Another > consideration with regards to prespective is that orientation matters in > preception of size, twisted left seems smaller than twisted right > because you appear to show off less surface area. The human brain is a > strange beast. > Well, they does not only look smaller, but they also are smaller - you have a wider view when looking at iso perspective than when you reduce to plain 2D head on perspective. When creating new icons we are trying to simplify the 22x22 sizes enough so they should be easily perceptible if though they are in the isometric perspective. I don't see the problems you list, but it might be because I am only a half a metre from the screen (which has 98 DPI). The icons appear only less colourful after applying the filters, but the shape remains well defined. In 16x16 size all icons in Echo are done in the head on perspective and I have to admit they are usually harder to create than the perspective 22x22 ones... Yet, the isometric icons you'll mostly see on the desktop, in file browsers and in the main menus. The rest are either action icons or displayed at 16x16. And for action icons we does not use isometric perspective. The orientation was chosen by Diana and we just follow it, I cannot imagine how the opposite orientation worked better. > Add/Remove Software is very good, easy to spot, good shape use, colors > work well across the colorblindness spectrum and it's head on > prespective. A really good icon. > > The graphics icon is very hard to make out. I cannot I have to admit > figure out what the office icon is suppose to look like, it does however > seem to get better when the colorblindness filters are applied. > > Also notice how well the shape works for recognition for the games icon, > low level of detail - despite even appearing small due to the iso > prespective usage. It's also the only one to have a defined outline > which really helps make the icon appear crisp and easy to recognize. > This makes it work really well in every filter applied and I can make it > out without my glasses on even from around 1m away. > > Where sexy and usable clashes is really the prespective, don't do iso > unless at desktop icon size or above, you can candy it up with detail as > size increases. Jimmac has a great article on his blog regarding the > problems surrounding sizes and scaling icons[1]. > > [1] http://jimmac.musichall.cz/log/?p=177 We are aware of some of the problems listed in the article. That's why we decided to include 22x22 sizes as well. All new created icons should come in 16x16, 22x22, 24x24, 32x32, 48x48 and scalable sizes and should be optimised for these. The shape of the icons is the basic thing and we are doing our best to define it well while retaining more realistic look than tango does. I would much appreciate if you take some time and went through the Echo styling guidelines [1] and point out the problems that leads the icons to not being ally, or propose some additions. Save for the perspective, which we already agreed on (and because of the help of SVG versions it is far more easier to change styling of the icons than their perspective), we are quite open to changes. Thanks, Martin From luya_tfz at thefinalzone.com Thu Nov 22 08:59:41 2007 From: luya_tfz at thefinalzone.com (Luya Tshimbalanga) Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2007 03:59:41 -0500 Subject: Usability - SIG, Spin, Echo icons [was Re: Icon theme for ubuntu] In-Reply-To: <1195720563.6205.59.camel@pc-notebook.kolej.mff.cuni.cz> References: <1195647666.2536.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1195648683.12451.3.camel@dawkins> <1195648758.2873.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1195650824.2836.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1195664914.12451.64.camel@dawkins> <47449AF2.4020304@fedoraproject.org> <1195680680.6205.19.camel@pc-notebook.kolej.mff.cuni.cz> <1195684848.2905.94.camel@dawkins> <1195688222.6205.41.camel@pc-notebook.kolej.mff.cuni.cz> <1195692140.2905.166.camel@dawkins> <1195720563.6205.59.camel@pc-notebook.kolej.mff.cuni.cz> Message-ID: <1195721981.474544fd1274e@ssl.mecca.ca> Assuming it is this link http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/MartinSourada/EchoIconThemeGuidelinesDRAFT -- Luya Tshimbalanga Fedora Project contributor http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/LuyaTshimbalanga From david at lovesunix.net Thu Nov 22 10:17:06 2007 From: david at lovesunix.net (David Nielsen) Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2007 11:17:06 +0100 Subject: Usability - SIG, Spin, Echo icons [was Re: Icon theme for ubuntu] In-Reply-To: <1195720563.6205.59.camel@pc-notebook.kolej.mff.cuni.cz> References: <1195647666.2536.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1195648683.12451.3.camel@dawkins> <1195648758.2873.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1195650824.2836.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1195664914.12451.64.camel@dawkins> <47449AF2.4020304@fedoraproject.org> <1195680680.6205.19.camel@pc-notebook.kolej.mff.cuni.cz> <1195684848.2905.94.camel@dawkins> <1195688222.6205.41.camel@pc-notebook.kolej.mff.cuni.cz> <1195692140.2905.166.camel@dawkins> <1195720563.6205.59.camel@pc-notebook.kolej.mff.cuni.cz> Message-ID: <1195726626.2762.17.camel@dawkins> tor, 22 11 2007 kl. 09:36 +0100, skrev Martin Sourada: > Well, they does not only look smaller, but they also are smaller - you > have a wider view when looking at iso perspective than when you reduce > to plain 2D head on perspective. When creating new icons we are trying > to simplify the 22x22 sizes enough so they should be easily perceptible > if though they are in the isometric perspective. > > I don't see the problems you list, but it might be because I am only a > half a metre from the screen (which has 98 DPI). The icons appear only > less colourful after applying the filters, but the shape remains well > defined. I just walked away from the screen to see which icons would work at that distance - I would disagree that you have well defined shapes to begin with. I also remind you that having a strong black outline helps the brain define the shape which is why the games icon appears to work so well. > In 16x16 size all icons in Echo are done in the head on perspective and > I have to admit they are usually harder to create than the perspective > 22x22 ones... I would heavily argue that for usability and accessibility reasons, the iso prespective needs to not be used for menu icons, they appear way to small and you lose a lot of the shape that we rely on for pattern recognition. > Yet, the isometric icons you'll mostly see on the desktop, in file > browsers and in the main menus. The rest are either action icons or > displayed at 16x16. And for action icons we does not use isometric > perspective. > > The orientation was chosen by Diana and we just follow it, I cannot > imagine how the opposite orientation worked better. Why am I suddenly reminded of that old game Lemmings? > We are aware of some of the problems listed in the article. That's why > we decided to include 22x22 sizes as well. All new created icons should > come in 16x16, 22x22, 24x24, 32x32, 48x48 and scalable sizes and should > be optimised for these. The shape of the icons is the basic thing and we > are doing our best to define it well while retaining more realistic look > than tango does. > > I would much appreciate if you take some time and went through the Echo > styling guidelines [1] and point out the problems that leads the icons > to not being ally, or propose some additions. Save for the perspective, > which we already agreed on (and because of the help of SVG versions it > is far more easier to change styling of the icons than their > perspective), we are quite open to changes. To be honest, that sounds like a waste of time to me given that I spend an hour typing up a mail with a list of issues for you and you replied that you did not see them. You are really not making a good case for Echo as being able or willing to change to adapt to the needs to the visually impaired, I am more than will to accept that as your choice but it will remain a strong argument against Echo as our default iconset. - David -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: Dette er en digitalt underskrevet brevdel URL: From martin.sourada at seznam.cz Thu Nov 22 12:15:09 2007 From: martin.sourada at seznam.cz (Martin Sourada) Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2007 13:15:09 +0100 Subject: Usability - SIG, Spin, Echo icons [was Re: Icon theme for ubuntu] In-Reply-To: <1195726626.2762.17.camel@dawkins> References: <1195647666.2536.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1195648683.12451.3.camel@dawkins> <1195648758.2873.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1195650824.2836.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1195664914.12451.64.camel@dawkins> <47449AF2.4020304@fedoraproject.org> <1195680680.6205.19.camel@pc-notebook.kolej.mff.cuni.cz> <1195684848.2905.94.camel@dawkins> <1195688222.6205.41.camel@pc-notebook.kolej.mff.cuni.cz> <1195692140.2905.166.camel@dawkins> <1195720563.6205.59.camel@pc-notebook.kolej.mff.cuni.cz> <1195726626.2762.17.camel@dawkins> Message-ID: <1195733709.6205.76.camel@pc-notebook.kolej.mff.cuni.cz> On Thu, 2007-11-22 at 11:17 +0100, David Nielsen wrote: > I just walked away from the screen to see which icons would work at that > distance - I would disagree that you have well defined shapes to begin > with. I also remind you that having a strong black outline helps the > brain define the shape which is why the games icon appears to work so > well. > OK, then assume they are not so well defined. BUT. As I look at the filtered images I see no difference as to how well is the shape defined in original and in filtered images. It's just that some details are washed out, but the shape remains defined to same extent (which you think is not enough). > I would heavily argue that for usability and accessibility reasons, the > iso prespective needs to not be used for menu icons, they appear way to > small and you lose a lot of the shape that we rely on for pattern > recognition. > I can only say I have to disagree. I see there more degrees of freedom when defining 3D (meaning isometric perspective) shape than in defining 2D (meaning head on perspective) shape, which basically means that we are able to further distinguish in 3D between shapes that are indistinguishable in 2D. And I think one should be able to clearly distinguish *between* the shapes. > Why am I suddenly reminded of that old game Lemmings? > Sadly, I don't know this game. > To be honest, that sounds like a waste of time to me given that I spend > an hour typing up a mail with a list of issues for you and you replied > that you did not see them. You are really not making a good case for > Echo as being able or willing to change to adapt to the needs to the > visually impaired, I am more than will to accept that as your choice but > it will remain a strong argument against Echo as our default iconset. > > - David That I don't see them it does not mean that I don't care about them. I appreciate what you did, but I fail to see the problem there - my eyes or brain just are not capable of seeing the problem where you see it (so your guidance in this matter would be appreciated). You are the one with experience, so if You could help to improve the guidelines, it would make Echo better in the future. And once more to the shape... My eyes aren't so good when seeing distant objects, so I tried to go further from my PC while looking at tritanope image. All shapes there lost their clear differences between themselves more or less at the same time, so when I say I do not see there a problem it means that I do not see it physically, from which one could assume that the problem isn't here, but you say it is here, so I am most likely wrong. Martin From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Thu Nov 22 13:30:38 2007 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2007 19:00:38 +0530 Subject: Icon theme for ubuntu In-Reply-To: <1195682612.2905.57.camel@dawkins> References: <1195647666.2536.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1195648683.12451.3.camel@dawkins> <1195648758.2873.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1195650824.2836.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1195664914.12451.64.camel@dawkins> <47449AF2.4020304@fedoraproject.org> <1195682612.2905.57.camel@dawkins> Message-ID: <4745847E.2060600@fedoraproject.org> David Nielsen wrote: > Okay since you seem to think I rant I'll do an itemed list, sound good? Not really, no. What is required is for someone to file issues in a place where it can be tracked like bugzilla or trac and possibly contribute towards fixing those problems. > 1) From previous debates on the list, Echo specifically does not target > being accessible - that is perfectly okay but it makes it a less > appealing choice as the new default. I think you are misinterpreting something. I don't think anyone ever suggested that being accessible is not a concern for Echo. Rahul From david at lovesunix.net Thu Nov 22 15:00:57 2007 From: david at lovesunix.net (David Nielsen) Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2007 16:00:57 +0100 Subject: Icon theme for ubuntu In-Reply-To: <4745847E.2060600@fedoraproject.org> References: <1195647666.2536.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1195648683.12451.3.camel@dawkins> <1195648758.2873.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1195650824.2836.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1195664914.12451.64.camel@dawkins> <47449AF2.4020304@fedoraproject.org> <1195682612.2905.57.camel@dawkins> <4745847E.2060600@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <1195743657.2762.35.camel@dawkins> tor, 22 11 2007 kl. 19:00 +0530, skrev Rahul Sundaram: > David Nielsen wrote: > > > Okay since you seem to think I rant I'll do an itemed list, sound good? > > Not really, no. What is required is for someone to file issues in a > place where it can be tracked like bugzilla or trac and possibly > contribute towards fixing those problems. You didn't read my mail, in which I specifically said that I assumed this was the artwork teams task, since it appears to not be - then I'll do it. > > 1) From previous debates on the list, Echo specifically does not target > > being accessible - that is perfectly okay but it makes it a less > > appealing choice as the new default. > > I think you are misinterpreting something. I don't think anyone ever > suggested that being accessible is not a concern for Echo. Only when I brought it up over a year ago in this thread: https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-art-list/2006-August/msg00010.html The replies as to why Echo did not has a good coverage or a11y capabilities as Tango.. time, it took Tango a year. Then the replies turned into "go away". Well Echo has had more than a year and we are still no closer to addressing the fundamental issue that outlines are not good, the prespective stuff is used at far to small an icon size and there's an overabundance of detail at the small sizes. 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What is required is for someone to file issues in a >> place where it can be tracked like bugzilla or trac and possibly >> contribute towards fixing those problems. > > You didn't read my mail, in which I specifically said that I assumed > this was the artwork teams task, since it appears to not be - then I'll > do it. When users have any issues, they can very well file them themselves instead of waiting for developers involved to figure it out and fix them. > The replies as to why Echo did not has a good coverage or a11y > capabilities as Tango.. time, it took Tango a year. Then the replies > turned into "go away". Well Echo has had more than a year and we are > still no closer to addressing the fundamental issue that outlines are > not good, the prespective stuff is used at far to small an icon size and > there's an overabundance of detail at the small sizes. > > What conclusion am I supposed to draw? Lack of more contributors and reluctance of people aware of the issues to even file bug reports. Rahul From david at lovesunix.net Thu Nov 22 15:54:33 2007 From: david at lovesunix.net (David Nielsen) Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2007 16:54:33 +0100 Subject: Usability - SIG, Spin, Echo icons [was Re: Icon theme for ubuntu] In-Reply-To: <1195733709.6205.76.camel@pc-notebook.kolej.mff.cuni.cz> References: <1195647666.2536.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1195648683.12451.3.camel@dawkins> <1195648758.2873.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1195650824.2836.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1195664914.12451.64.camel@dawkins> <47449AF2.4020304@fedoraproject.org> <1195680680.6205.19.camel@pc-notebook.kolej.mff.cuni.cz> <1195684848.2905.94.camel@dawkins> <1195688222.6205.41.camel@pc-notebook.kolej.mff.cuni.cz> <1195692140.2905.166.camel@dawkins> <1195720563.6205.59.camel@pc-notebook.kolej.mff.cuni.cz> <1195726626.2762.17.camel@dawkins> <1195733709.6205.76.camel@pc-notebook.kolej.mff.cuni.cz> Message-ID: <1195746874.2762.86.camel@dawkins> tor, 22 11 2007 kl. 13:15 +0100, skrev Martin Sourada: > On Thu, 2007-11-22 at 11:17 +0100, David Nielsen wrote: > > I just walked away from the screen to see which icons would work at that > > distance - I would disagree that you have well defined shapes to begin > > with. I also remind you that having a strong black outline helps the > > brain define the shape which is why the games icon appears to work so > > well. > > > OK, then assume they are not so well defined. BUT. As I look at the > filtered images I see no difference as to how well is the shape defined > in original and in filtered images. It's just that some details are > washed out, but the shape remains defined to same extent (which you > think is not enough). Colorblindness as such should only affect the shape definition if you have clashing colors. Shape issues would tend to be more pronounced with poor eyesight such as simulated with a blur filter (I seem to remember jimmac having scripts to automate this). I didn't mean to give the impression that shape was affected by colorblindness, information exchange can be though. Colorblindness will affect the information you convey, it's largely important that you don't depend on things like red indicating bad and green indicating good (as the extreme examples). The absolute best way to avoid that is to regularly take a snapshot of your desktop in real use and run it through VisCheck. If you aren't colorblind it's hard to take it into consideration in the design phase since you are not living with it. The best option is simulation on a regular basis for you as a designer. > I can only say I have to disagree. I see there more degrees of freedom > when defining 3D (meaning isometric perspective) shape than in defining > 2D (meaning head on perspective) shape, which basically means that we > are able to further distinguish in 3D between shapes that are > indistinguishable in 2D. And I think one should be able to clearly > distinguish *between* the shapes. By reducing the surface area you are reducing the effective amount of information carried. That has a pronounced effect on usability and accessibility. > > Why am I suddenly reminded of that old game Lemmings? > > > Sadly, I don't know this game. It's a fun game, here's a version reimplemented in DHTML: http://www.elizium.nu/scripts/lemmings/ > That I don't see them it does not mean that I don't care about them. I > appreciate what you did, but I fail to see the problem there - my eyes > or brain just are not capable of seeing the problem where you see it (so > your guidance in this matter would be appreciated). You are the one with > experience, so if You could help to improve the guidelines, it would > make Echo better in the future. > > And once more to the shape... My eyes aren't so good when seeing distant > objects, so I tried to go further from my PC while looking at tritanope > image. All shapes there lost their clear differences between themselves > more or less at the same time, so when I say I do not see there a > problem it means that I do not see it physically, from which one could > assume that the problem isn't here, but you say it is here, so I am most > likely wrong. Okay remember that eyesight is tricky, the evolution of the human eye has brought about some interesting quirks like the blind spot it's definitely not simple to adjust an interface to suit this complex system. Let alone possible to ensure it works universally. I mean there are good evolutionary reasons why green is a restful color to the eye so we might be tempted to make the whole thing green - that means we have to care deeply about the use of red since a significant amount of users will experience issues with that combination. The general concerns with regards to colorblindness is clashing colors and reliance on specific colors to convey specific information - red/green colorblindness being the most common makes those the prime suspects. This however does not mean you can't use those colors, but that certain combinations are bad. Shape is important and size is important, remember that most people walking around you wear glasses or need them. Also remember that no eyesight correction with glasses is perfect, this means you can win some recognition by going for a clear shape and reducing detail level. Try applying a mild blur to a screenshot. Another great way of testing if the information you are trying to convey is getting across. Switch your language setting and pick something which you know nothing about - I like chinese. If a user can navigate the desktop using only the icons then you win.. big time (also I'll buy you beer and cake since that would be heroic). Optimally we would have a kind of test language that turned every string into "----------" since that would not be subject to untranslated strings, use of similar words and such that might affect the test subject but for now just picking a language the user doesn't know which has good coverage will suffice. I would propose these general guidelines: Less detail at small sizes No isometric prespective at small sizes Defined outlines are your friend Test a real world scenerio with VisCheck and blur filtering, single icon testing does not tend to yield as convincing a result as a whole picture in real size since you get the environment colors as background. Switch your language and get to play around with the desktop, ask them to perform real world tasks like opening the web browser, doing a bit of wordprocessing e.g. That should give you a good idea of problem areas for color, shapeness and information. - David -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Say you have Bluecurve icon on the desktop, are your sight affectedby the shape? Perhaps making the outline sighltly ticker might help. Luya From david at lovesunix.net Thu Nov 22 22:20:15 2007 From: david at lovesunix.net (David Nielsen) Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2007 23:20:15 +0100 Subject: Usability - SIG, Spin, Echo icons [was Re: Icon theme for ubuntu] In-Reply-To: <4745D3F2.8020406@thefinalzone.com> References: <1195647666.2536.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1195648683.12451.3.camel@dawkins> <1195648758.2873.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1195650824.2836.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1195664914.12451.64.camel@dawkins> <47449AF2.4020304@fedoraproject.org> <1195680680.6205.19.camel@pc-notebook.kolej.mff.cuni.cz> <1195684848.2905.94.camel@dawkins> <1195688222.6205.41.camel@pc-notebook.kolej.mff.cuni.cz> <1195692140.2905.166.camel@dawkins> <1195720563.6205.59.camel@pc-notebook.kolej.mff.cuni.cz> <1195726626.2762.17.camel@dawkins> <1195733709.6205.76.camel@pc-notebook.kolej.mff.cuni.cz> <1195746874.2762.86.camel@dawkins> <4745D3F2.8020406@thefinalzone.com> Message-ID: <1195770015.10067.14.camel@dawkins> tor, 22 11 2007 kl. 11:09 -0800, skrev Luya Tshimbalanga: > It would be nice if you brought your contribution by listing the icons > subject to the issue. Say you have Bluecurve icon on the desktop, are > your sight affectedby the shape? Perhaps making the outline sighltly > ticker might help. That sounds like an excellent suggestion. I've played around with a few iconset, I find that sets with a thicker outline do retain shape better. But instead of thinking, maybe we could try it out if it's not to much work - since we are using the menu as an example that's 8-9 icons maybe we could do a rough test. Either way this test goes we know something, if it does help we have a potential way to improve Echo even if it will take a bit of time. Considering the amount of work redoing the icons in non-iso or reducing detail level, adding a bit more to the outline seems like the least work to me. Biggest bang for our buck kind of investment of time, no? Luya, would you do the honors and provide a screenshot similar to Martins? I hate to admit it but my art creation skill level stops around making convincing stick figures. In the meantime I'll do some screenshot of some oddness I noticed while using Echo. - David -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: Dette er en digitalt underskrevet brevdel URL: From david at lovesunix.net Thu Nov 22 22:56:17 2007 From: david at lovesunix.net (David Nielsen) Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2007 23:56:17 +0100 Subject: First batch of Echo oddness Message-ID: <1195772177.10067.41.camel@dawkins> Image 1: Totem showing off the media buttons Let's focus on the pause button for a second, there appears to be a shadow under it which is layered directly on the outline given that the outline is white then darkish this makes it look very unlike the other two buttons (this white then dark outline approach seems common to the neon blue icons). Aside that the spacing between the two bars seem a bit big to me as compared to other icon themes. It also looks a taller than it's companion icons. If you zoom in 800% you can confirm that it is indeed taller and that the outline color is black whereas the other two have a lighter shade of grey. Image 2: Totem redux Now let's look at those buttons again, specifically the play button which again is larger than it's companions. Also common for both Totem images is that skip-forward is smaller than it's companions.. not to mention since this icons are aligned by the horizontal center of the icons, it appers to float and cast it shadow in a completely different plane than it's companions. Bonus non-Echo art: the new international clock First clock has low contrast black on dark grey making it potentially hard to read for a number of people. Though the hour dot indicators have very good contrast with the clock face plate. Second clock has good contrast black on light grey, easy to read. However the hour dot indicators have poor contrast with the clock face plate. Since we already have a visual indicator for the local clock in the little up arrow looking home icon why do we even have two clock looks? I mean is there a good reason to not just have one nice readable pretty clock? (I assume the clock is drawn with cairo making it not an Echo issue but that one popped right out at me so I had to include it in the first batch). - David -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: intlclock-echo.png Type: image/png Size: 56252 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: mediabuttons-pause.png Type: image/png Size: 26470 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: mediabuttons.png Type: image/png Size: 28267 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: Dette er en digitalt underskrevet brevdel URL: From luya_tfz at thefinalzone.com Fri Nov 23 08:22:02 2007 From: luya_tfz at thefinalzone.com (Luya Tshimbalanga) Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2007 03:22:02 -0500 Subject: First batch of Echo oddness In-Reply-To: <1195772177.10067.41.camel@dawkins> References: <1195772177.10067.41.camel@dawkins> Message-ID: <1195806122.47468daa8528d@ssl.mecca.ca> Quoting David Nielsen : > Image 1: Totem showing off the media buttons > Image 2: Totem redux. Known issues, I remember an user submitting a modification somewhere in this mail list. > Bonus non-Echo art: the new international clock > Since we already have a visual indicator for the local clock in the > little up arrow looking home icon why do we even have two clock looks? I > mean is there a good reason to not just have one nice readable pretty > clock? It could mean clocks from different timezone. I have not check the new Date/Time applet. P.S: the modified icons with increased outline are not ready yet. I will post pictures when I got the chace. -- Luya Tshimbalanga Fedora Project contributor http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/LuyaTshimbalanga From mmahut at fedoraproject.org Fri Nov 23 11:32:01 2007 From: mmahut at fedoraproject.org (Marek Mahut) Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2007 12:32:01 +0100 Subject: F9 Name Proposal In-Reply-To: <1194894110.5086.0.camel@rocket> References: <1194894110.5086.0.camel@rocket> Message-ID: <4746BA31.7070402@fedoraproject.org> Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek wrote: > Simply - Owl, Nightbird, Humming or Bird :) . Why always choose sense-less names? :) I'm wondering why not take a name of person to show their merits (from scientifics to lobbists). Fedora 9 codename Copernic sounds great to me :) This would have more "culture" and human feeling that "moonshine" or "werewolf". -- Marek Mahut http://www.fedoraproject.org/ Fedora Project http://www.jamendo.com/ From ljuwaida at fedoraproject.org Fri Nov 23 12:02:59 2007 From: ljuwaida at fedoraproject.org (Laith Juwaidah) Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2007 16:02:59 +0400 Subject: F9 Name Proposal In-Reply-To: <4746BA31.7070402@fedoraproject.org> References: <1194894110.5086.0.camel@rocket> <4746BA31.7070402@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <200711231603.16916.ljuwaida@fedoraproject.org> On Friday 23 November 2007 15:32:01 Marek Mahut wrote: > Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek wrote: > > Simply - Owl, Nightbird, Humming or Bird :) . > > Why always choose sense-less names? :) I'm wondering why not take a name > of person to show their merits (from scientifics to lobbists). > > Fedora 9 codename Copernic > sounds great to me :) > > This would have more "culture" and human feeling that "moonshine" or > "werewolf". 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Dnia 23-11-2007, pi? o godzinie 12:32 +0100, Marek Mahut pisze: > Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek wrote: > > Simply - Owl, Nightbird, Humming or Bird :) . > > > Why always choose sense-less names? :) I'm wondering why not take a name > of person to show their merits (from scientifics to lobbists). > > Fedora 9 codename Copernic > sounds great to me :) > > This would have more "culture" and human feeling that "moonshine" or > "werewolf". > -- __ _ / _|___ __| |___ _ _ __ _ | _/ -_) _` / _ \ '_/ _` | |_| \___\__,_\___/_| \__,_| Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek Fedora Project http://liviopl.jogger.pl/ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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This time i'm gonna try to make my idea happen but the same time i know that it should be nearly impossible for me to make/finish it.. i only have php and decent java knowledge (learning java now in a 4 year education in computer science). O well i'm just gonna try it. Now for the idea. In "the biggest desktop os" you have a grid for the icons where you place then which makes it look nice. Gnome doesn't seem to have that and therefore i want to try to implant that. the image of the grid that i'm trying to implant can be found here [1]. Now if you would add icons and text in it with the grids visible you would see this [2]. That's looking better than the default gnome desktop stuff don't you think? And if you would remove the grid lines from view and remove the icons that are only half visible than you get this [3]. Oke that's all good and well.. those nice images but how would it work? what are the conditions? all those questions are answered for you in the fourth image [4]. please note that i don't try to insult anyone in the image or this text. i'm just being realistic. (pointing to pango "critics" in the image) Right now i'm gonna see how far i can get with glade. than just further and further. This discussion might be better in the fedora-devel-list or even the gnome-devel-list but i posted it here for the images and the global idea. if you have some critics or comments for it or just want to help me to make this gnome improvement than please post it here. or let me know by mailing me. [1] http://img515.imageshack.us/img515/8312/gnomedesktopfuturethegrqq0.png [2] http://img401.imageshack.us/img401/5121/gnomedesktopfutureallgrci3.png [3] http://img57.imageshack.us/img57/1562/gnomedesktopfuturerealela0.png [4] http://img204.imageshack.us/img204/8233/gnomedesktopfutureallinro0.png From mmahut at fedoraproject.org Sat Nov 24 21:40:28 2007 From: mmahut at fedoraproject.org (Marek Mahut) Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2007 22:40:28 +0100 Subject: F9 Name Proposal In-Reply-To: <200711231603.16916.ljuwaida@fedoraproject.org> References: <1194894110.5086.0.camel@rocket> <4746BA31.7070402@fedoraproject.org> <200711231603.16916.ljuwaida@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <47489A4C.6070400@fedoraproject.org> Laith Juwaidah wrote: > On Friday 23 November 2007 15:32:01 Marek Mahut wrote: >> Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek wrote: >>> Simply - Owl, Nightbird, Humming or Bird :) . >> Why always choose sense-less names? :) I'm wondering why not take a name >> of person to show their merits (from scientifics to lobbists). >> >> Fedora 9 codename Copernic >> sounds great to me :) >> >> This would have more "culture" and human feeling that "moonshine" or >> "werewolf". > > Read the bases on which a name should be chosen here: > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/Names Well, the old habits can be always changed. -- Marek Mahut http://www.fedoraproject.org/ Fedora Project http://www.jamendo.com/ From jspaleta at gmail.com Sat Nov 24 22:36:19 2007 From: jspaleta at gmail.com (Jeff Spaleta) Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2007 13:36:19 -0900 Subject: F9 Name Proposal In-Reply-To: <47489A4C.6070400@fedoraproject.org> References: <1194894110.5086.0.camel@rocket> <4746BA31.7070402@fedoraproject.org> <200711231603.16916.ljuwaida@fedoraproject.org> <47489A4C.6070400@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <604aa7910711241436s46c0bd2cg5cc3d64f0b13b316@mail.gmail.com> On Nov 24, 2007 12:40 PM, Marek Mahut wrote: > Well, the old habits can be always changed. The names of real people have really interesting trademark and copyright issues. I would really like to avoid the potential complication of having to license the use of a person's likeness in the production of a fedora release. -jef From ljuwaida at fedoraproject.org Sun Nov 25 16:19:10 2007 From: ljuwaida at fedoraproject.org (Laith Juwaidah) Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2007 20:19:10 +0400 Subject: Falco Theme Message-ID: <200711252019.26361.ljuwaida@fedoraproject.org> Say whatevery you want, but I am not obsessed with the word Falco, it's just that I couldn't think of any other name for the theme. I didn't actually create this theme, I just got it from two components from kde-look.org (A background called Light, and a DeKorator theme called Crystal Cursive :-/). It's a KDE theme, but it's not so hard to port to gnome, it's simple... You can find a screenshot of it here [1]. Your opinions please :) Cheers! 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Dnia 25-11-2007, nie o godzinie 20:19 +0400, Laith Juwaidah pisze: > Say whatevery you want, but I am not obsessed with the word Falco, it's just > that I couldn't think of any other name for the theme. > > I didn't actually create this theme, I just got it from two components from > kde-look.org (A background called Light, and a DeKorator theme called Crystal > Cursive :-/). > > It's a KDE theme, but it's not so hard to port to gnome, it's simple... > > You can find a screenshot of it here [1]. > > Your opinions please :) > > Cheers! > > [1] http://ljuwaida.fedorapeople.org/Artwork/Falco/Falco.png > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list -- __ _ / _|___ __| |___ _ _ __ _ | _/ -_) _` / _ \ '_/ _` | |_| \___\__,_\___/_| \__,_| Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek Fedora Project http://liviopl.jogger.pl/ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Default Plastik is so ugly. > > Dnia 25-11-2007, nie o godzinie 20:19 +0400, Laith Juwaidah pisze: > > Say whatevery you want, but I am not obsessed with the word Falco, it's > > just that I couldn't think of any other name for the theme. > > > > I didn't actually create this theme, I just got it from two components > > from kde-look.org (A background called Light, and a DeKorator theme > > called Crystal Cursive :-/). > > > > It's a KDE theme, but it's not so hard to port to gnome, it's simple... > > > > You can find a screenshot of it here [1]. > > > > Your opinions please :) > > > > Cheers! > > > > [1] http://ljuwaida.fedorapeople.org/Artwork/Falco/Falco.png > > _______________________________________________ > > Fedora-art-list mailing list > > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list I was talking about the background and the windeco :) But I like lipstik, I might use that.. and the color theme, i used infinity's color theme, for now.. 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So I'm. http://liviopl.fedorapeople.org/imgs/epiph1.png - fullscreen icon has small contrast - tab icon is not echo - close icon really small - lock icon old-gnome-style http://liviopl.fedorapeople.org/imgs/keys.png - non-echo clear icon - non-echo close icon - btw: ugly fedora-logo on the bottom http://liviopl.fedorapeople.org/imgs/midori1.png - non-echo clear icon - unreadable search icon http://liviopl.fedorapeople.org/imgs/midori2.png - dark stop icon http://liviopl.fedorapeople.org/imgs/naut1.png - too big contrast on zoom and volumes icons http://liviopl.fedorapeople.org/imgs/naut2.png - unreadable search icon http://liviopl.fedorapeople.org/imgs/naut3.png - incorrect style in window-new http://liviopl.fedorapeople.org/imgs/netst1.png - incorrect perspective in configure icon - first reason to not use that kind of perspective http://liviopl.fedorapeople.org/imgs/panel2.png - too small contrast on add icon - too big contrast on properties icon - incorrect about icon http://liviopl.fedorapeople.org/imgs/run1.png - incorrect run icon - incorrect help icon - strange looking cancel http://liviopl.fedorapeople.org/imgs/scr.png - floppy disk on save icon - we're living in '90's? - too small contrast on desktop icon http://liviopl.fedorapeople.org/imgs/vol1.png - too dark, small contrasted settings - incorrect close icon - incorrect icon on Zas?ugi (don't know how it was in english) http://liviopl.fedorapeople.org/imgs/vol2.png - unreadable exit icon issues above are all I've found. last I could write everywhere where the turquose is shown: - this color plays well ***NOT*** with echo folders etc! -- ___ _ | _|___ _| |___ ___ ___ | _| -_| . | . | _| . | |_| |___|___|___|_| |___|_ Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek Fedora Project http://liviopl.jogger.pl/ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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What could be provided in addition to the snap-2-grid option would be to highlight the grid. I do like the option of text truncation. Especially useful, when the icons are close to each other and the text seems to overflow onto the image of the next icon. Another thing that would be nice-2-have is that the icons be positioned relatively, as compared to being absolutely positioned. For example, the default desktop layout may be running at a 800x600 resolution in which the Trash icon is at left-bottom corner. Now I increase the resolution to say 1024x800, the trash-icon no longer holds the bottom-left position. Instead it is absolutely positioned, which means that it would be somewhere in the lower-middle half of the screen. just my views. thanks, Rogue From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Mon Nov 26 11:24:26 2007 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 13:24:26 +0200 Subject: Request for project icon and logo In-Reply-To: <1195578491.2750.18.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1195578491.2750.18.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <474AACEA.7060205@nicubunu.ro> John (J5) Palmieri wrote: > Hey guys I have a project I am releasing through Fedora. It is called > D-Feet and is a GTK+ based debugger for D-Bus. Go wild, I just want > something that is readily identifiable. Here are a couple of unpolished sketches. -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: d-feet.png Type: image/png Size: 23345 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: d-feet.svg Type: image/svg+xml Size: 36778 bytes Desc: not available URL: From liviopl.pl at gmail.com Mon Nov 26 12:45:10 2007 From: liviopl.pl at gmail.com (Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek) Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 13:45:10 +0100 Subject: Request for project icon and logo In-Reply-To: <474AACEA.7060205@nicubunu.ro> References: <1195578491.2750.18.camel@localhost.localdomain> <474AACEA.7060205@nicubunu.ro> Message-ID: <1196081110.2471.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> Guys, do it in modern style, Tango style. Dnia 26-11-2007, pon o godzinie 13:24 +0200, Nicu Buculei pisze: > John (J5) Palmieri wrote: > > Hey guys I have a project I am releasing through Fedora. It is called > > D-Feet and is a GTK+ based debugger for D-Bus. Go wild, I just want > > something that is readily identifiable. > > Here are a couple of unpolished sketches. > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list -- ___ _ | _|___ _| |___ ___ ___ | _| -_| . | . | _| . | |_| |___|___|___|_| |___|_ Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek Fedora Project http://liviopl.jogger.pl/ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I included sources, if you (Jakub) think I got a metaphor right but the wrong style, fell free to modify it. > Dnia 26-11-2007, pon o godzinie 13:24 +0200, Nicu Buculei pisze: >> Here are a couple of unpolished sketches. -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From liviopl.pl at gmail.com Mon Nov 26 13:17:17 2007 From: liviopl.pl at gmail.com (Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek) Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 14:17:17 +0100 Subject: Request for project icon and logo In-Reply-To: <474AC604.9040807@nicubunu.ro> References: <1195578491.2750.18.camel@localhost.localdomain> <474AACEA.7060205@nicubunu.ro> <1196081110.2471.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> <474AC604.9040807@nicubunu.ro> Message-ID: <1196083037.24846.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> I just want you to turn on "future" thinking. Tango is fresh and modern. You want GNOME to look inconsistent like KDE3 with all the apps? Ok... It would be only you fault. Dnia 26-11-2007, pon o godzinie 15:11 +0200, Nicu Buculei pisze: > Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek wrote: > > Guys, do it in modern style, Tango style. > > 1. I said those are "unpolished sketches"; > 2. I don't care for Tango; > 3. J5 didn't asked for Tango, he asked for a logo, which is not supposed > to follow a theme guideline *and* an icon; > 4. I included sources, if you (Jakub) think I got a metaphor right but > the wrong style, fell free to modify it. > > > Dnia 26-11-2007, pon o godzinie 13:24 +0200, Nicu Buculei pisze: > >> Here are a couple of unpolished sketches. > > -- ___ _ | _|___ _| |___ ___ ___ | _| -_| . | . | _| . | |_| |___|___|___|_| |___|_ Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek Fedora Project http://liviopl.jogger.pl/ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: To jest cz??? wiadomo?ci podpisana cyfrowo URL: From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Mon Nov 26 13:40:53 2007 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 15:40:53 +0200 Subject: Request for project icon and logo In-Reply-To: <1196083037.24846.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1195578491.2750.18.camel@localhost.localdomain> <474AACEA.7060205@nicubunu.ro> <1196081110.2471.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> <474AC604.9040807@nicubunu.ro> <1196083037.24846.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <474ACCE5.30303@nicubunu.ro> Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek wrote: > I just want you to turn on "future" thinking. > Tango is fresh and modern. You want GNOME to look inconsistent like KDE3 > with all the apps? Ok... It would be only you fault. Or I could use the Echo style, right? >:) -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From liviopl.pl at gmail.com Mon Nov 26 14:01:29 2007 From: liviopl.pl at gmail.com (Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek) Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 15:01:29 +0100 Subject: Request for project icon and logo In-Reply-To: <474ACCE5.30303@nicubunu.ro> References: <1195578491.2750.18.camel@localhost.localdomain> <474AACEA.7060205@nicubunu.ro> <1196081110.2471.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> <474AC604.9040807@nicubunu.ro> <1196083037.24846.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> <474ACCE5.30303@nicubunu.ro> Message-ID: <1196085689.3147.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> Please, don't. Dnia 26-11-2007, pon o godzinie 15:40 +0200, Nicu Buculei pisze: > Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek wrote: > > I just want you to turn on "future" thinking. > > Tango is fresh and modern. You want GNOME to look inconsistent like KDE3 > > with all the apps? Ok... It would be only you fault. > > Or I could use the Echo style, right? > >:) > -- ___ _ | _|___ _| |___ ___ ___ | _| -_| . | . | _| . | |_| |___|___|___|_| |___|_ Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek Fedora Project http://liviopl.jogger.pl/ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: To jest cz??? wiadomo?ci podpisana cyfrowo URL: From johnp at redhat.com Mon Nov 26 18:27:25 2007 From: johnp at redhat.com (John (J5) Palmieri) Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 13:27:25 -0500 Subject: Request for project icon and logo In-Reply-To: <474ACCE5.30303@nicubunu.ro> References: <1195578491.2750.18.camel@localhost.localdomain> <474AACEA.7060205@nicubunu.ro> <1196081110.2471.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> <474AC604.9040807@nicubunu.ro> <1196083037.24846.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> <474ACCE5.30303@nicubunu.ro> Message-ID: <1196101645.9955.24.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Mon, 2007-11-26 at 15:40 +0200, Nicu Buculei wrote: > Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek wrote: > > I just want you to turn on "future" thinking. > > Tango is fresh and modern. You want GNOME to look inconsistent like KDE3 > > with all the apps? Ok... It would be only you fault. > > Or I could use the Echo style, right? > >:) Nick, don't listen to Jakub. I like your sketches. The one with the magnifying glass is cool. -- John (J5) Palmieri From johnp at redhat.com Mon Nov 26 18:32:53 2007 From: johnp at redhat.com (John (J5) Palmieri) Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 13:32:53 -0500 Subject: Request for project icon and logo In-Reply-To: <1196083037.24846.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1195578491.2750.18.camel@localhost.localdomain> <474AACEA.7060205@nicubunu.ro> <1196081110.2471.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> <474AC604.9040807@nicubunu.ro> <1196083037.24846.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1196101973.9955.31.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Mon, 2007-11-26 at 14:17 +0100, Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek wrote: > I just want you to turn on "future" thinking. > Tango is fresh and modern. You want GNOME to look inconsistent like KDE3 > with all the apps? Ok... It would be only you fault. Jakub, you are being divisive. '"future" thinking' is some phrase straight out of an Orwellian novel. Personally if I was going to mark something as the future it would be the OS X style guide. And stop with the peer pressure, it's all your fault crap. What are we in high school? > > Dnia 26-11-2007, pon o godzinie 15:11 +0200, Nicu Buculei pisze: > > Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek wrote: > > > Guys, do it in modern style, Tango style. > > > > 1. I said those are "unpolished sketches"; > > 2. I don't care for Tango; > > 3. J5 didn't asked for Tango, he asked for a logo, which is not supposed > > to follow a theme guideline *and* an icon; > > 4. I included sources, if you (Jakub) think I got a metaphor right but > > the wrong style, fell free to modify it. > > > > > Dnia 26-11-2007, pon o godzinie 13:24 +0200, Nicu Buculei pisze: > > >> Here are a couple of unpolished sketches. > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list From duffy at redhat.com Mon Nov 26 18:45:34 2007 From: duffy at redhat.com (=?UTF-8?B?TcOhaXLDrW4gRHVmZnk=?=) Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 13:45:34 -0500 Subject: Request for project icon and logo In-Reply-To: <1196101973.9955.31.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1195578491.2750.18.camel@localhost.localdomain> <474AACEA.7060205@nicubunu.ro> <1196081110.2471.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> <474AC604.9040807@nicubunu.ro> <1196083037.24846.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1196101973.9955.31.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <474B144E.1040503@redhat.com> John (J5) Palmieri wrote: > On Mon, 2007-11-26 at 14:17 +0100, Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek wrote: >> I just want you to turn on "future" thinking. >> Tango is fresh and modern. You want GNOME to look inconsistent like KDE3 >> with all the apps? Ok... It would be only you fault. > > Jakub, you are being divisive. '"future" thinking' is some phrase > straight out of an Orwellian novel. Personally if I was going to mark > something as the future it would be the OS X style guide. And stop with > the peer pressure, it's all your fault crap. What are we in high > school? I think Jakub is in high school :) ~m From liviopl.pl at gmail.com Mon Nov 26 18:51:40 2007 From: liviopl.pl at gmail.com (Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek) Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 19:51:40 +0100 Subject: Request for project icon and logo In-Reply-To: <474B144E.1040503@redhat.com> References: <1195578491.2750.18.camel@localhost.localdomain> <474AACEA.7060205@nicubunu.ro> <1196081110.2471.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> <474AC604.9040807@nicubunu.ro> <1196083037.24846.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1196101973.9955.31.camel@localhost.localdomain> <474B144E.1040503@redhat.com> Message-ID: <1196103100.10436.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> One year before. I'm 15. But it has nothing to do with my behavior. Don't be vicious. Dnia 26-11-2007, pon o godzinie 13:45 -0500, M?ir?n Duffy pisze: > John (J5) Palmieri wrote: > > On Mon, 2007-11-26 at 14:17 +0100, Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek wrote: > >> I just want you to turn on "future" thinking. > >> Tango is fresh and modern. You want GNOME to look inconsistent like KDE3 > >> with all the apps? Ok... It would be only you fault. > > > > Jakub, you are being divisive. '"future" thinking' is some phrase > > straight out of an Orwellian novel. Personally if I was going to mark > > something as the future it would be the OS X style guide. And stop with > > the peer pressure, it's all your fault crap. What are we in high > > school? > > I think Jakub is in high school :) > > ~m > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list -- ___ _ | _|___ _| |___ ___ ___ | _| -_| . | . | _| . | |_| |___|___|___|_| |___|_ Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek Fedora Project http://liviopl.jogger.pl/ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: To jest cz??? wiadomo?ci podpisana cyfrowo URL: From duffy at redhat.com Mon Nov 26 19:09:13 2007 From: duffy at redhat.com (=?UTF-8?B?TcOhaXLDrW4gRHVmZnk=?=) Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 14:09:13 -0500 Subject: Request for project icon and logo In-Reply-To: <1196103100.10436.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1195578491.2750.18.camel@localhost.localdomain> <474AACEA.7060205@nicubunu.ro> <1196081110.2471.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> <474AC604.9040807@nicubunu.ro> <1196083037.24846.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1196101973.9955.31.camel@localhost.localdomain> <474B144E.1040503@redhat.com> <1196103100.10436.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <474B19D9.6080502@redhat.com> Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek wrote: > One year before. I'm 15. > But it has nothing to do with my behavior. > Don't be vicious. How am I being vicious? I am just stating a fact. I think you were rather vicious to Nicu though... whether or not that is a product of immaturity/age I make no judgements on. ~m From liviopl.pl at gmail.com Mon Nov 26 19:10:56 2007 From: liviopl.pl at gmail.com (Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek) Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 20:10:56 +0100 Subject: Request for project icon and logo In-Reply-To: <474B19D9.6080502@redhat.com> References: <1195578491.2750.18.camel@localhost.localdomain> <474AACEA.7060205@nicubunu.ro> <1196081110.2471.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> <474AC604.9040807@nicubunu.ro> <1196083037.24846.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1196101973.9955.31.camel@localhost.localdomain> <474B144E.1040503@redhat.com> <1196103100.10436.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> <474B19D9.6080502@redhat.com> Message-ID: <1196104256.10734.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> Listen, if every tv-viewer would look like old russian's everyone (almost) would take american. Russian tv-viewer is old GNOME style and non-guidelined-style. American tv-viewer is modern Tango! style. Verdict? Dnia 26-11-2007, pon o godzinie 14:09 -0500, M?ir?n Duffy pisze: > Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek wrote: > > One year before. I'm 15. > > But it has nothing to do with my behavior. > > Don't be vicious. > > How am I being vicious? I am just stating a fact. > > I think you were rather vicious to Nicu though... whether or not that is > a product of immaturity/age I make no judgements on. > > ~m > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list -- ___ _ | _|___ _| |___ ___ ___ | _| -_| . | . | _| . | |_| |___|___|___|_| |___|_ Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek Fedora Project http://liviopl.jogger.pl/ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: To jest cz??? wiadomo?ci podpisana cyfrowo URL: From duffy at redhat.com Mon Nov 26 19:21:59 2007 From: duffy at redhat.com (=?UTF-8?B?TcOhaXLDrW4gRHVmZnk=?=) Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 14:21:59 -0500 Subject: Request for project icon and logo In-Reply-To: <1196104256.10734.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1195578491.2750.18.camel@localhost.localdomain> <474AACEA.7060205@nicubunu.ro> <1196081110.2471.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> <474AC604.9040807@nicubunu.ro> <1196083037.24846.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1196101973.9955.31.camel@localhost.localdomain> <474B144E.1040503@redhat.com> <1196103100.10436.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> <474B19D9.6080502@redhat.com> <1196104256.10734.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <474B1CD7.4090506@redhat.com> Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek wrote: > Listen, if every tv-viewer would look like old russian's everyone > (almost) would take american. > > Russian tv-viewer is old GNOME style and non-guidelined-style. > American tv-viewer is modern Tango! style. > > Verdict? You are certainly entitled to your opinion about Tango vs. everything else, but I believe everybody on this list is and has been for some time now QUITE CLEAR on your opinion on that. Repeating yourself over and over and/or being more loud/angry/etc is not going to help your cause so I would recommend that you take up another strategy. You've been given much advice to this end from myself and others and I don't care to waste any more of my time dispensing yet more advice that I have spent my valuable time writing up for you in the past since it seems you have ignored it. Right now, I see you causing a lot of issues in this community. What are you bringing to the table in exchange? Everyone is entitled to their opinion and even to share their opinion, but enough is enough. ~m (list moderator) From liviopl.pl at gmail.com Mon Nov 26 19:43:48 2007 From: liviopl.pl at gmail.com (Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek) Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 20:43:48 +0100 Subject: Request for project icon and logo In-Reply-To: <474B1CD7.4090506@redhat.com> References: <1195578491.2750.18.camel@localhost.localdomain> <474AACEA.7060205@nicubunu.ro> <1196081110.2471.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> <474AC604.9040807@nicubunu.ro> <1196083037.24846.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1196101973.9955.31.camel@localhost.localdomain> <474B144E.1040503@redhat.com> <1196103100.10436.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> <474B19D9.6080502@redhat.com> <1196104256.10734.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> <474B1CD7.4090506@redhat.com> Message-ID: <1196106228.10957.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> You're just ignoring any art progress made by GNOME. You're ("art designers") just ignoring everything new and making Fedora inconsistent. EOT Dnia 26-11-2007, pon o godzinie 14:21 -0500, M?ir?n Duffy pisze: > Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek wrote: > > Listen, if every tv-viewer would look like old russian's everyone > > (almost) would take american. > > > > Russian tv-viewer is old GNOME style and non-guidelined-style. > > American tv-viewer is modern Tango! style. > > > > Verdict? > > You are certainly entitled to your opinion about Tango vs. everything > else, but I believe everybody on this list is and has been for some time > now QUITE CLEAR on your opinion on that. > > Repeating yourself over and over and/or being more loud/angry/etc is not > going to help your cause so I would recommend that you take up another > strategy. You've been given much advice to this end from myself and > others and I don't care to waste any more of my time dispensing yet more > advice that I have spent my valuable time writing up for you in the past > since it seems you have ignored it. > > Right now, I see you causing a lot of issues in this community. What are > you bringing to the table in exchange? > > Everyone is entitled to their opinion and even to share their opinion, > but enough is enough. > > ~m > (list moderator) > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list -- ___ _ | _|___ _| |___ ___ ___ | _| -_| . | . | _| . | |_| |___|___|___|_| |___|_ Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek Fedora Project http://liviopl.jogger.pl/ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: To jest cz??? wiadomo?ci podpisana cyfrowo URL: From duffy at redhat.com Mon Nov 26 19:48:06 2007 From: duffy at redhat.com (=?UTF-8?B?TcOhaXLDrW4gRHVmZnk=?=) Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 14:48:06 -0500 Subject: Request for project icon and logo In-Reply-To: <1196106228.10957.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1195578491.2750.18.camel@localhost.localdomain> <474AACEA.7060205@nicubunu.ro> <1196081110.2471.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> <474AC604.9040807@nicubunu.ro> <1196083037.24846.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1196101973.9955.31.camel@localhost.localdomain> <474B144E.1040503@redhat.com> <1196103100.10436.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> <474B19D9.6080502@redhat.com> <1196104256.10734.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> <474B1CD7.4090506@redhat.com> <1196106228.10957.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <474B22F6.1070508@redhat.com> Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek wrote: > You're just ignoring any art progress made by GNOME. > You're ("art designers") just ignoring everything new and making Fedora > inconsistent. Yet again you ignore me. I will not waste any more of my time. If I see another flamewar started by you I will put your posts on moderation. ~m From luya_tfz at thefinalzone.com Mon Nov 26 20:32:21 2007 From: luya_tfz at thefinalzone.com (Luya Tshimbalanga) Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 15:32:21 -0500 Subject: ECHO: Issues Message-ID: <1196109141.474b2d554992c@ssl.mecca.ca> > Hi, > you know I'll be fighing... So I'm. Quick comment. That is what we were waiting for, showing the list of issues so we can see them. Just relax, it is not a fight. -- Luya Tshimbalanga Fedora Project contributor http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/LuyaTshimbalanga From liviopl.pl at gmail.com Mon Nov 26 20:32:46 2007 From: liviopl.pl at gmail.com (Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek) Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 21:32:46 +0100 Subject: ECHO: Issues In-Reply-To: <1196109141.474b2d554992c@ssl.mecca.ca> References: <1196109141.474b2d554992c@ssl.mecca.ca> Message-ID: <1196109166.11378.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> It was kind of metaphor. Dnia 26-11-2007, pon o godzinie 15:32 -0500, Luya Tshimbalanga pisze: > > Hi, > > you know I'll be fighing... So I'm. > > Quick comment. That is what we were waiting for, showing the list of issues so > we can see them. Just relax, it is not a fight. > -- ___ _ | _|___ _| |___ ___ ___ | _| -_| . | . | _| . | |_| |___|___|___|_| |___|_ Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek Fedora Project http://liviopl.jogger.pl/ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: To jest cz??? wiadomo?ci podpisana cyfrowo URL: From tcallawa at redhat.com Mon Nov 26 14:51:34 2007 From: tcallawa at redhat.com (Tom "spot" Callaway) Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 09:51:34 -0500 Subject: [Long] Do we need a font SIG ? In-Reply-To: <6148.192.54.193.51.1189770715.squirrel@rousalka.dyndns.org> References: <6148.192.54.193.51.1189770715.squirrel@rousalka.dyndns.org> Message-ID: <1196088694.15604.29.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Fri, 2007-09-14 at 13:51 +0200, Nicolas Mailhot wrote: > 7. The font situation is bad enough we have a font exception to our > FLOSS rules > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Packaging/Guidelines#head-daa717ea096fa4d9cf7b9a49b5edb36e3bda3aac > [for example we ship Luxi even though its licensing forbids > modification, making it non-free > http://www.xfree86.org/current/LICENSE11.html] Open a bug report. Let's start the process of having it removed in F9. > 8. There are efforts to drain the font licensing swamp and promote > FLOSS fonts (http://unifont.org/go_for_ofl/), they are aligned with > Fedora general objectives yet Fedora has totally ignored them so far > (cf Liberation licensing choices) Keep in mind that Liberation licensing was a Red Hat, Inc decision, not a Fedora decision. Also, we haven't totally ignored the OFL, since it is listed as the "preferred" font license on the Fedora licensing page: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Licensing/Fonts ~spot From nicolas.mailhot at laposte.net Mon Nov 26 15:09:05 2007 From: nicolas.mailhot at laposte.net (Nicolas Mailhot) Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 16:09:05 +0100 (CET) Subject: [Long] Do we need a font SIG ? Message-ID: <17874.192.54.193.53.1196089745.squirrel@rousalka.dyndns.org> Le Lun 26 novembre 2007 15:51, Tom \"spot\" Callaway a ?crit : > > On Fri, 2007-09-14 at 13:51 +0200, Nicolas Mailhot wrote: >> 7. The font situation is bad enough we have a font exception to our >> FLOSS rules >> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Packaging/Guidelines#head-daa717ea096fa4d9cf7b9a49b5edb36e3bda3aac >> [for example we ship Luxi even though its licensing forbids >> modification, making it non-free >> http://www.xfree86.org/current/LICENSE11.html] > > Open a bug report. Let's start the process of having it removed in F9. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=317641 >> 8. There are efforts to drain the font licensing swamp and promote >> FLOSS fonts (http://unifont.org/go_for_ofl/), they are aligned with >> Fedora general objectives yet Fedora has totally ignored them so far >> (cf Liberation licensing choices) > > Keep in mind that Liberation licensing was a Red Hat, Inc decision, > not > a Fedora decision. > > Also, we haven't totally ignored the OFL, since it is listed as the > "preferred" font license on the Fedora licensing page: > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Licensing/Fonts Wasn't the case when I wrote this :p Many thanks, -- Nicolas Mailhot From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Tue Nov 27 06:36:52 2007 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 08:36:52 +0200 Subject: Request for project icon and logo In-Reply-To: <474B19D9.6080502@redhat.com> References: <1195578491.2750.18.camel@localhost.localdomain> <474AACEA.7060205@nicubunu.ro> <1196081110.2471.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> <474AC604.9040807@nicubunu.ro> <1196083037.24846.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1196101973.9955.31.camel@localhost.localdomain> <474B144E.1040503@redhat.com> <1196103100.10436.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> <474B19D9.6080502@redhat.com> Message-ID: <474BBB04.1060307@nicubunu.ro> M?ir?n Duffy wrote: > Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek wrote: >> One year before. I'm 15. >> But it has nothing to do with my behavior. >> Don't be vicious. > > How am I being vicious? I am just stating a fact. > > I think you were rather vicious to Nicu though... whether or not that is > a product of immaturity/age I make no judgements on. Maybe is the time for me to acknowledge some guilt: I was vicious... I had *a lot* of fun in taunting Jakub when I was supposed to know better and abstain myself. -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Tue Nov 27 10:08:33 2007 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 12:08:33 +0200 Subject: Request for project icon and logo In-Reply-To: <474AACEA.7060205@nicubunu.ro> References: <1195578491.2750.18.camel@localhost.localdomain> <474AACEA.7060205@nicubunu.ro> Message-ID: <474BECA1.7020002@nicubunu.ro> Nicu Buculei wrote: > John (J5) Palmieri wrote: >> Hey guys I have a project I am releasing through Fedora. It is called >> D-Feet and is a GTK+ based debugger for D-Bus. Go wild, I just want >> something that is readily identifiable. > > Here are a couple of unpolished sketches. And a shinier version (still no Tango and no Echo). I'm not sure if the perspective is the best one here. -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: d-feet.png Type: image/png Size: 10645 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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This should be better. -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: d-feet_better.png Type: image/png Size: 11381 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: d-feet_better.svg Type: image/svg+xml Size: 19095 bytes Desc: not available URL: From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Tue Nov 27 15:37:08 2007 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 17:37:08 +0200 Subject: start the process for F9 theming? Message-ID: <474C39A4.7040102@nicubunu.ro> The schedule for the F9 release is published [2], I think the time to start the process for its graphics, so I created the placeholder wiki page [1] (dates are marked as TBD, they will be defined by Mo, probably counting the F9 release schedule and the winter holidays). What do you think about the 3 round process based on the past experience? Do it need modifications, improvements? There were some ideas for an additional preliminary round. So talk in this thread about the process and in new threads about theming proposals. [1] - http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/F9Themes [2] - http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/9/Schedule -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From ljuwaida at fedoraproject.org Tue Nov 27 15:39:27 2007 From: ljuwaida at fedoraproject.org (Laith Juwaidah) Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 19:39:27 +0400 Subject: start the process for F9 theming? In-Reply-To: <474C39A4.7040102@nicubunu.ro> References: <474C39A4.7040102@nicubunu.ro> Message-ID: <200711271939.58649.ljuwaida@fedoraproject.org> On Tuesday 27 November 2007 19:37:08 Nicu Buculei wrote: > The schedule for the F9 release is published [2], I think the time to > start the process for its graphics, so I created the placeholder wiki > page [1] (dates are marked as TBD, they will be defined by Mo, probably > counting the F9 release schedule and the winter holidays). > > What do you think about the 3 round process based on the past > experience? Do it need modifications, improvements? There were some > ideas for an additional preliminary round. > > So talk in this thread about the process and in new threads about > theming proposals. > > [1] - http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/F9Themes > [2] - http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/9/Schedule I'll add Falco to the list... :) -- Laith Juwaidah http://www.ljuwaidah.org/ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part. URL: From duffy at redhat.com Tue Nov 27 15:42:16 2007 From: duffy at redhat.com (=?UTF-8?B?TcOhaXLDrW4gRHVmZnk=?=) Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 10:42:16 -0500 Subject: Usability - SIG, Spin, Echo icons [was Re: Icon theme for ubuntu] In-Reply-To: <1195688222.6205.41.camel@pc-notebook.kolej.mff.cuni.cz> References: <1195647666.2536.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1195648683.12451.3.camel@dawkins> <1195648758.2873.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1195650824.2836.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1195664914.12451.64.camel@dawkins> <47449AF2.4020304@fedoraproject.org> <1195680680.6205.19.camel@pc-notebook.kolej.mff.cuni.cz> <1195684848.2905.94.camel@dawkins> <1195688222.6205.41.camel@pc-notebook.kolej.mff.cuni.cz> Message-ID: <474C3AD8.8000303@redhat.com> Martin Sourada wrote: > On Wed, 2007-11-21 at 23:40 +0100, David Nielsen wrote: >> [1] http://www.vischeck.com/vischeck/ > > Thanks for the link, > > to have some material to talk about, I've taken some of the newer Echo > icons (all the 'category' icons [1] are done that way, and more or less > finished) and run through the filters. I don't see any big issues with > them, what do you think? I attach the original, plus the processed > images, that are sadly saved in jpeg which does not give the best > results... Those aren't the original echo icons of that size, I had done those originally and they were put into a straight-on perspective (a must at that size) and modified to align to the pixel grid. So I guess the icons I did must have been replaced. These icons look like sized-down versions of the much larger ones. And they're not easy to look at; look at the games one, there is some weird aliasing going on there. They look muddy, not crisp (except for the add/remove software one but that one is not an echo icon) ~m From tatadbb at gmail.com Tue Nov 27 15:47:54 2007 From: tatadbb at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Mar=EDa_Leandro?=) Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 11:47:54 -0400 Subject: start the process for F9 theming? In-Reply-To: <200711271939.58649.ljuwaida@fedoraproject.org> References: <474C39A4.7040102@nicubunu.ro> <200711271939.58649.ljuwaida@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <27a6293b0711270747y6b2c07aya82c96fcfe9975fb@mail.gmail.com> I'll like to colaborate from the start this time.... How many time do we have to deliver a first work? 2007/11/27, Laith Juwaidah : > > On Tuesday 27 November 2007 19:37:08 Nicu Buculei wrote: > > The schedule for the F9 release is published [2], I think the time to > > start the process for its graphics, so I created the placeholder wiki > > page [1] (dates are marked as TBD, they will be defined by Mo, probably > > counting the F9 release schedule and the winter holidays). > > > > What do you think about the 3 round process based on the past > > experience? Do it need modifications, improvements? There were some > > ideas for an additional preliminary round. > > > > So talk in this thread about the process and in new threads about > > theming proposals. > > > > [1] - http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/F9Themes > > [2] - http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/9/Schedule > > I'll add Falco to the list... :) > > -- > Laith Juwaidah > http://www.ljuwaidah.org/ > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list > > > -- tatica Maria Gracia Leandro http://www.tatica.org http://www.iseit.net http://www.latinux.org http://www.fedora-ve.org http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/MariaLeandro LinuxUser= 440285 GPG Public Key: E1CDCC56 "Be yourself... Don't be anyone else" -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Tue Nov 27 16:45:02 2007 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 18:45:02 +0200 Subject: start the process for F9 theming? In-Reply-To: <27a6293b0711270747y6b2c07aya82c96fcfe9975fb@mail.gmail.com> References: <474C39A4.7040102@nicubunu.ro> <200711271939.58649.ljuwaida@fedoraproject.org> <27a6293b0711270747y6b2c07aya82c96fcfe9975fb@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <474C498E.1080906@nicubunu.ro> Mar?a Leandro wrote: > I'll like to colaborate from the start this time.... > > How many time do we have to deliver a first work? Have a look at the wiki page I linked http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/F9Themes The dates are not here yet, Mo as a project leader will set them, but based on past experience: the first round will take some weeks, probably until after winter holidays (or just before them, to use the holiday break for the round 2) but in the first round you are not expected for a functional work, only a concept (a sketch is enough) with a formal announcement on this list and a page on the wiki. -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Tue Nov 27 16:50:09 2007 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 18:50:09 +0200 Subject: start the process for F9 theming? In-Reply-To: <200711271939.58649.ljuwaida@fedoraproject.org> References: <474C39A4.7040102@nicubunu.ro> <200711271939.58649.ljuwaida@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <474C4AC1.2030108@nicubunu.ro> Laith Juwaidah wrote: > > I'll add Falco to the list... :) Please note, this is about wallpaper theming (including splash screens) not about window decorations or icons, those are orthogonal projects (the background you used for the Falco screenshot [1] is not original, so it won't qualify, but you can create something in the same style). [1] - http://ljuwaida.fedorapeople.org/Artwork/Falco/Falco.png -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From damianvila at gmail.com Tue Nov 27 16:56:24 2007 From: damianvila at gmail.com (Damian Vila) Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 17:56:24 +0100 Subject: Request for project icon and logo In-Reply-To: <474C321A.3060504@nicubunu.ro> References: <1195578491.2750.18.camel@localhost.localdomain> <474AACEA.7060205@nicubunu.ro> <474BECA1.7020002@nicubunu.ro> <474C321A.3060504@nicubunu.ro> Message-ID: <474C4C38.4090105@gmail.com> This is nice! :-) Looks like the feet are in the air... is it on purpouse? If so, you can make them "vanish" the farther away they are. Regards, Damian Nicu Buculei escribi?: > Nicu Buculei wrote: >> Nicu Buculei wrote: >>> John (J5) Palmieri wrote: >>>> Hey guys I have a project I am releasing through Fedora. It is called >>>> D-Feet and is a GTK+ based debugger for D-Bus. Go wild, I just want >>>> something that is readily identifiable. >>> >>> Here are a couple of unpolished sketches. >> >> And a shinier version (still no Tango and no Echo). I'm not sure if >> the perspective is the best one here. > > This should be better. > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list > From ljuwaida at fedoraproject.org Tue Nov 27 17:03:06 2007 From: ljuwaida at fedoraproject.org (Laith Juwaidah) Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 21:03:06 +0400 Subject: start the process for F9 theming? In-Reply-To: <474C4AC1.2030108@nicubunu.ro> References: <474C39A4.7040102@nicubunu.ro> <200711271939.58649.ljuwaida@fedoraproject.org> <474C4AC1.2030108@nicubunu.ro> Message-ID: <200711272103.07675.ljuwaida@fedoraproject.org> On Tuesday 27 November 2007 20:50:09 Nicu Buculei wrote: > Laith Juwaidah wrote: > > I'll add Falco to the list... :) > > Please note, this is about wallpaper theming (including splash screens) > not about window decorations or icons, those are orthogonal projects > (the background you used for the Falco screenshot [1] is not original, > so it won't qualify, but you can create something in the same style). > > [1] - http://ljuwaida.fedorapeople.org/Artwork/Falco/Falco.png OK :) I'll try that :) -- Laith Juwaidah http://www.ljuwaidah.org/ From michael.d.beckwith at gmail.com Tue Nov 27 19:13:58 2007 From: michael.d.beckwith at gmail.com (Michael Beckwith) Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 13:13:58 -0600 Subject: Request for project icon and logo In-Reply-To: <474C321A.3060504@nicubunu.ro> References: <1195578491.2750.18.camel@localhost.localdomain> <474AACEA.7060205@nicubunu.ro> <474BECA1.7020002@nicubunu.ro> <474C321A.3060504@nicubunu.ro> Message-ID: <474C6C76.6020102@gmail.com> It may be just a case with the gradients, but to me it seems like the glass part in the magnifying glass wouldn't be properly centered in it. This is particularly true on the left side where it seems to have no ring edge on top. Nicu Buculei wrote: > Nicu Buculei wrote: >> Nicu Buculei wrote: >>> John (J5) Palmieri wrote: >>>> Hey guys I have a project I am releasing through Fedora. It is called >>>> D-Feet and is a GTK+ based debugger for D-Bus. Go wild, I just want >>>> something that is readily identifiable. >>> >>> Here are a couple of unpolished sketches. >> >> And a shinier version (still no Tango and no Echo). I'm not sure if >> the perspective is the best one here. > > This should be better. > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list > -- ~Michael http://ridleytx.structed.net (for now) http://michaelbox.net (eventually) From markg85 at gmail.com Tue Nov 27 22:20:12 2007 From: markg85 at gmail.com (Mark) Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 23:20:12 +0100 Subject: start the process for F9 theming? In-Reply-To: <474C39A4.7040102@nicubunu.ro> References: <474C39A4.7040102@nicubunu.ro> Message-ID: <6e24a8e80711271420h1578a78egcc5b6222bf962b4b@mail.gmail.com> 2007/11/27, Nicu Buculei : > The schedule for the F9 release is published [2], I think the time to > start the process for its graphics, so I created the placeholder wiki > page [1] (dates are marked as TBD, they will be defined by Mo, probably > counting the F9 release schedule and the winter holidays). > > What do you think about the 3 round process based on the past > experience? Do it need modifications, improvements? There were some > ideas for an additional preliminary round. > > So talk in this thread about the process and in new threads about > theming proposals. Wouldn't it be better if Fedora 9 was not getting a new theme but just a refined Fedora 8 theme? meaning that the F8 theme is everywhere in F9 (including KDE) instead of just having another theme that is (again) for gnome only? So no new theme! just improve the current theme and let it pop up in all the splash screens (openoffice, gimp ect..) Just my thoughts... From angazi2181 at hotmail.com Wed Nov 28 02:25:00 2007 From: angazi2181 at hotmail.com (Jack Badger) Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 12:55:00 +1030 Subject: start the process for F9 theming? In-Reply-To: <6e24a8e80711271420h1578a78egcc5b6222bf962b4b@mail.gmail.com> References: <474C39A4.7040102@nicubunu.ro> <6e24a8e80711271420h1578a78egcc5b6222bf962b4b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: This is probably going to be completely unwelcome, but, how about recoding the entire OS to get it to be compatible with games, like windows? yea i know lots of you have your reason to hate windows, but they've been doing a pretty good job since day 1 with making it compatible with every last little tiny bit of rampant hardware out there, and more, 1 or 2 problems isnt really worth dissing it out now is it? anyway. Aside from the gamers aspect, what about a new GUI? dunno about you lot but i gotta say im getting REALLY sick of menu bars and windows. how bout a 3D interface? selectable themes of course, and maybe even some innovation taken from some outside sources? like for example, anime? ever seen serial experiments LAIN? no? oh well. 3D would BEAT THE SHIT OUT OF windows GAME COMPATIBILITY would give the other 80% of computer users a REASON TO CHANGE to linux based OS's, and what better incarnation to do it with then fedora? A pleasing user interface, with no annoying dead ends and crao like that would keep peoples interest in the GUI, instead of having just a plain old been there done that windows style. take some examples from things you've seen, form anime, from games, and from movies even, explain what you like, what you dont like, how you can make the ideas better and then implement them into development? sounds hard no, ive been coding things for most of my life now, and its EASY to implement these sort of things into real life aplications. Get out of the past with old and booring 2D flash interfaces, and start planning for what people will need in the future, 3D being the basis for a much more flexable environment for a GUI. Yea, anyway ive ranted enough, think about it eh? 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In-Reply-To: <6e24a8e80711271420h1578a78egcc5b6222bf962b4b@mail.gmail.com> References: <474C39A4.7040102@nicubunu.ro> <6e24a8e80711271420h1578a78egcc5b6222bf962b4b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <474CDA12.70508@alumnos.inf.utfsm.cl> Mark wrote: > 2007/11/27, Nicu Buculei : >> The schedule for the F9 release is published [2], I think the time to >> start the process for its graphics, so I created the placeholder wiki >> page [1] (dates are marked as TBD, they will be defined by Mo, probably >> counting the F9 release schedule and the winter holidays). >> >> What do you think about the 3 round process based on the past >> experience? Do it need modifications, improvements? There were some >> ideas for an additional preliminary round. >> >> So talk in this thread about the process and in new threads about >> theming proposals. > > Wouldn't it be better if Fedora 9 was not getting a new theme but just > a refined Fedora 8 theme? meaning that the F8 theme is everywhere in > F9 (including KDE) instead of just having another theme that is > (again) for gnome only? That sounds interesting enough to launch it to discussion. Now personally I thing we should give a step forward from the theme from Fedora 8 and not re-used and improve, cause people don't see all the work they just look at the first windows and get, sometimes, the last impression they will alway get from the art in the release "it was the same last time". Fedora is well known for being fast paced and innovative so if we want to fallow that spirit I thing we should move forward. I would love to see a theme with something that was somewath alive, the theme could be something like "breath", "keep going" or "live", I'll work a bit in "breath" when I have time, if anyone likes any idea feel free to take it and develop it. > So no new theme! just improve the current theme and let it pop up in > all the splash screens (openoffice, gimp ect..) Greetings -- Sven von Brand Laredo Estudiante de Ing. Civil Informatica, UTFSM Fedora Ambassador for Chile Coordinador Ciclo Charlas Tecnicas, DI, UTFSM From angazi2181 at hotmail.com Wed Nov 28 03:10:30 2007 From: angazi2181 at hotmail.com (Jack Badger) Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 13:40:30 +1030 Subject: start the process for F9 theming? In-Reply-To: <474CDA12.70508@alumnos.inf.utfsm.cl> References: <474C39A4.7040102@nicubunu.ro> <6e24a8e80711271420h1578a78egcc5b6222bf962b4b@mail.gmail.com> <474CDA12.70508@alumnos.inf.utfsm.cl> Message-ID: Wow, so you wanted an "alive" theme eh. sounds like sort of what i was going on about now dont it? 3D anyone? yea extra prelims sound like a good plan to me, although i havent been in on all this that long, thats always a god idea, even if it does puch your schedule back.> Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 00:01:38 -0300> From: svbrand at alumnos.inf.utfsm.cl> To: fedora-art-list at redhat.com> Subject: Re: start the process for F9 theming?> > Mark wrote:> > 2007/11/27, Nicu Buculei :> >> The schedule for the F9 release is published [2], I think the time to> >> start the process for its graphics, so I created the placeholder wiki> >> page [1] (dates are marked as TBD, they will be defined by Mo, probably> >> counting the F9 release schedule and the winter holidays).> >>> >> What do you think about the 3 round process based on the past> >> experience? Do it need modifications, improvements? There were some> >> ideas for an additional preliminary round.> >>> >> So talk in this thread about the process and in new threads about> >> theming proposals.> > > > Wouldn't it be better if Fedora 9 was not getting a new theme but just> > a refined Fedora 8 theme? meaning that the F8 theme is everywhere in> > F9 (including KDE) instead of just having another theme that is> > (again) for gnome only?> > That sounds interesting enough to launch it to discussion.> > Now personally I thing we should give a step forward from the theme from> Fedora 8 and not re-used and improve, cause people don't see all the> work they just look at the first windows and get, sometimes, the last> impression they will alway get from the art in the release "it was the> same last time". Fedora is well known for being fast paced and> innovative so if we want to fallow that spirit I thing we should move> forward.> > I would love to see a theme with something that was somewath alive, the> theme could be something like "breath", "keep going" or "live", I'll> work a bit in "breath" when I have time, if anyone likes any idea feel> free to take it and develop it.> > > So no new theme! just improve the current theme and let it pop up in> > all the splash screens (openoffice, gimp ect..)> > > Greetings> > > -- > Sven von Brand Laredo> Estudiante de Ing. Civil Informatica, UTFSM> Fedora Ambassador for Chile> Coordinador Ciclo Charlas Tecnicas, DI, UTFSM> > _______________________________________________> Fedora-art-list mailing list> Fedora-art-list at redhat.com> http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list _________________________________________________________________ What are you waiting for? 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Nicu Buculei wrote: > The schedule for the F9 release is published [2], I think the time to > start the process for its graphics, so I created the placeholder wiki > page [1] (dates are marked as TBD, they will be defined by Mo, > probably counting the F9 release schedule and the winter holidays). > > What do you think about the 3 round process based on the past > experience? Do it need modifications, improvements? There were some > ideas for an additional preliminary round. > > So talk in this thread about the process and in new threads about > theming proposals. > > [1] - http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/F9Themes > [2] - http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/9/Schedule > -- ~Michael http://ridleytx.structed.net (for now) http://michaelbox.net (eventually) From svbrand at alumnos.inf.utfsm.cl Wed Nov 28 05:05:47 2007 From: svbrand at alumnos.inf.utfsm.cl (Sven von Brand) Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 02:05:47 -0300 Subject: start the process for F9 theming? In-Reply-To: <474CE616.5090206@gmail.com> References: <474C39A4.7040102@nicubunu.ro> <474CE616.5090206@gmail.com> Message-ID: <474CF72B.90508@alumnos.inf.utfsm.cl> Michael Beckwith wrote: > I'm going to stick with my original proposal of following the motto that > Fedora sort of has. "Infinity, Freedom, Choice", unless I'm mistaken and > have been corrected on that and forget that fact. Since we covered > Infinity, I'll try and come up with some ideas for Freedom. I actually was thinking of an "alive" theme trying to represent freedom, because to give freedom a face it's not general, so I was thinking to go for a theme refering to freedom, but not directly. "breath" or "just breath" "keep going" "live" all try to represent freedom. I like the Theme infinity, but I feel is way to general, and one gets lost in generalizations. My Humble Opinion Greetings -- Sven von Brand Laredo Estudiante de Ing. Civil Informatica, UTFSM Fedora Ambassador for Chile Coordinador Ciclo Charlas Tecnicas, DI, UTFSM From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Wed Nov 28 07:15:08 2007 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 09:15:08 +0200 Subject: start the process for F9 theming? In-Reply-To: <6e24a8e80711271420h1578a78egcc5b6222bf962b4b@mail.gmail.com> References: <474C39A4.7040102@nicubunu.ro> <6e24a8e80711271420h1578a78egcc5b6222bf962b4b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <474D157C.20101@nicubunu.ro> Mark wrote: > > Wouldn't it be better if Fedora 9 was not getting a new theme but just > a refined Fedora 8 theme? meaning that the F8 theme is everywhere in I think we used the people with a new theme for each release, so no new theme would be seen as a step back. Also, if we don't do a new theme, were is the fun for us? > F9 (including KDE) instead of just having another theme that is > (again) for gnome only? If a theme isn't everywhere this shuld be considered a bug (IMO). Have you submitted a KDE Infinity and it was rejected? It is a problem of manpower, number of contributors and contributor's personal priorities. > So no new theme! just improve the current theme and let it pop up in > all the splash screens (openoffice, gimp ect..) We talked (on this list) about theming splash screens of the likes of OOo or GIMP and the conclusion was we don't want this: it would collide with those projects branding and identity. -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Wed Nov 28 07:34:12 2007 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 09:34:12 +0200 Subject: start the process for F9 theming? In-Reply-To: References: <474C39A4.7040102@nicubunu.ro> <6e24a8e80711271420h1578a78egcc5b6222bf962b4b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <474D19F4.1010507@nicubunu.ro> Jack Badger wrote: > This is probably going to be completely unwelcome, but, how about Not necessarily "unwelcome", but certainly offtopic: we, people in the Art Team don't have the power and knowledge to do this. You may want to talk about this topic with the Games SIG (http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/Games). Really, I like to play games, other people around do the same, but this is not the right place for the topic. > recoding the entire OS to get it to be compatible with games, like > windows? yea i know lots of you have your reason to hate windows, but > they've been doing a pretty good job since day 1 with making it > compatible with every last little tiny bit of rampant hardware out > there, and more, 1 or 2 problems isnt really worth dissing it out now is > it? anyway. I do not understand exactly your point, but I think you have it wrong. - "compatible with games" like "run the latest Windows games"? We can't help much if the game developers choose to target Windows (and use things like DirectX instead of OpenGL). Emulation (Wine) is the best hope; - as in "have good 3D hardware support"? there is a lot of work on this, but is not easy: the hardware manufactures provide drivers for Windows and in many cases not even documentation for Linux developers to make their own. Due to license, is not possible (and outside of our goals anyway) for Fedora to ship binary (proprietary) drivers; - as in "have quality games out-of-the-box"? The Games SIG do its best about this. > Aside from the gamers aspect, what about a new GUI? dunno about you lot > but i gotta say im getting REALLY sick of menu bars and windows. how > bout a 3D interface? selectable themes of course, and maybe even some > innovation taken from some outside sources? like for example, anime? > ever seen serial experiments LAIN? no? oh well. > > 3D would BEAT THE SHIT OUT OF windows Keep in mind Fedora is a general purpose operating system and a general purpose desktop so it should work equally well in both games but general desktop (browsing the web, reading email, doing office stuff, etc.) Creating such a new interface is a kind of Holy Grail and whoever can invent it may consider himself hitting the jackpot. Try to cohesively write yourself a specification about such an interface and if it is good enough you may get followers. -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From tatadbb at gmail.com Wed Nov 28 08:40:39 2007 From: tatadbb at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Mar=EDa_Leandro?=) Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 04:40:39 -0400 Subject: start the process for F9 theming? In-Reply-To: <474D19F4.1010507@nicubunu.ro> References: <474C39A4.7040102@nicubunu.ro> <6e24a8e80711271420h1578a78egcc5b6222bf962b4b@mail.gmail.com> <474D19F4.1010507@nicubunu.ro> Message-ID: <27a6293b0711280040v4d941e16r51a031833321953@mail.gmail.com> I think that I understand a different thing: I'm working into a Fedora wallpaper that should work for F9, and some of my ideas are to making it alive :D (If the people was happy with the infinity giving us the time... we could make the same transition of images on the desktop but using something different as a pattern). The window style... Can we ad some textures to menu bar? (Gnome and KDE) like a 3D sensation? I now that we could make something on inkscape looking like a pipe and instead see the things up the bar this COULD BE SEEN as inside... (but I'm not shure that if this is possible.... just saying what I have in mind to develop for F9 AS PERSONAL WORK) Menu, window... everithing.... we CAN make a new window style like 3D.... why don't we go for it? Yes... Here on LatinAmerica (Venezuela) the patents issue is really big, so.... (kind'a proposition) why don't we re-make a new style concept on the desktop for Fedora 9? It could be the start for a longer way. Saludos! 2007/11/28, Nicu Buculei : > > Jack Badger wrote: > > This is probably going to be completely unwelcome, but, how about > > Not necessarily "unwelcome", but certainly offtopic: we, people in the > Art Team don't have the power and knowledge to do this. You may want to > talk about this topic with the Games SIG > (http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/Games). > Really, I like to play games, other people around do the same, but this > is not the right place for the topic. > > > recoding the entire OS to get it to be compatible with games, like > > windows? yea i know lots of you have your reason to hate windows, but > > they've been doing a pretty good job since day 1 with making it > > compatible with every last little tiny bit of rampant hardware out > > there, and more, 1 or 2 problems isnt really worth dissing it out now is > > it? anyway. > > I do not understand exactly your point, but I think you have it wrong. > - "compatible with games" like "run the latest Windows games"? We can't > help much if the game developers choose to target Windows (and use > things like DirectX instead of OpenGL). Emulation (Wine) is the best hope; > - as in "have good 3D hardware support"? there is a lot of work on this, > but is not easy: the hardware manufactures provide drivers for Windows > and in many cases not even documentation for Linux developers to make > their own. Due to license, is not possible (and outside of our goals > anyway) for Fedora to ship binary (proprietary) drivers; > - as in "have quality games out-of-the-box"? The Games SIG do its best > about this. > > > Aside from the gamers aspect, what about a new GUI? dunno about you lot > > but i gotta say im getting REALLY sick of menu bars and windows. how > > bout a 3D interface? selectable themes of course, and maybe even some > > innovation taken from some outside sources? like for example, anime? > > ever seen serial experiments LAIN? no? oh well. > > > > 3D would BEAT THE SHIT OUT OF windows > > Keep in mind Fedora is a general purpose operating system and a general > purpose desktop so it should work equally well in both games but general > desktop (browsing the web, reading email, doing office stuff, etc.) > > Creating such a new interface is a kind of Holy Grail and whoever can > invent it may consider himself hitting the jackpot. > Try to cohesively write yourself a specification about such an interface > and if it is good enough you may get followers. > > -- > nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com > Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ > Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org > my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list > -- tatica Maria Gracia Leandro http://www.tatica.org http://www.iseit.net http://www.latinux.org http://www.fedora-ve.org http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/MariaLeandro LinuxUser= 440285 GPG Public Key: E1CDCC56 "Be yourself... Don't be anyone else" -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Wed Nov 28 10:22:37 2007 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 12:22:37 +0200 Subject: start the process for F9 theming? In-Reply-To: <27a6293b0711280040v4d941e16r51a031833321953@mail.gmail.com> References: <474C39A4.7040102@nicubunu.ro> <6e24a8e80711271420h1578a78egcc5b6222bf962b4b@mail.gmail.com> <474D19F4.1010507@nicubunu.ro> <27a6293b0711280040v4d941e16r51a031833321953@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <474D416D.9090101@nicubunu.ro> Mar?a Leandro wrote: > I think that I understand a different thing: > > I'm working into a Fedora wallpaper that should work for F9, and some of > my ideas are to making it alive :D (If the people was happy with the > infinity giving us the time... we could make the same transition of > images on the desktop but using something different as a pattern). I wanted to bring a talk (in a different thread) about dynamic versus static backgrounds and what we are aiming for in F9, but if you said about it, here is a good place to talk. The dynamic background was a popular feature, well received in the reviews, a step forward. But on the other hand it may limit the design options: it work very well for an abstract theme like Infinity, but it won't work for something elaborated like FlyingHigh and it would be hard (but not impossible) for something like DNA. So there are ups and downs. > The window style... Can we ad some textures to menu bar? (Gnome and KDE) > like a 3D sensation? I now that we could make something on inkscape > looking like a pipe and instead see the things up the bar this COULD BE > SEEN as inside... (but I'm not shure that if this is possible.... just > saying what I have in mind to develop for F9 AS PERSONAL WORK) Like http://art.gnome.org/themes/metacity/155 ? Yes, it should be possible to use pixmaps engines, but they are usually slower and consume more resources (and in my personal opinion look busy). > Menu, window... everithing.... we CAN make a new window style like > 3D.... why don't we go for it? Why? Because nobody convinced us this is the best thing. The best way would be for you, I think, to create a mockup, post it here and impress everybody. > Yes... Here on LatinAmerica (Venezuela) the patents issue is really big, > so.... (kind'a proposition) why don't we re-make a new style concept on > the desktop for Fedora 9? It could be the start for a longer way. The same thing: post a mockup and get some enthusiastic followers. If it is something complex it may take more than one release cycle. -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From ljuwaida at fedoraproject.org Wed Nov 28 10:34:51 2007 From: ljuwaida at fedoraproject.org (Laith Juwaidah) Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 14:34:51 +0400 Subject: start the process for F9 theming? In-Reply-To: <474D416D.9090101@nicubunu.ro> References: <474C39A4.7040102@nicubunu.ro> <27a6293b0711280040v4d941e16r51a031833321953@mail.gmail.com> <474D416D.9090101@nicubunu.ro> Message-ID: <200711281435.08181.ljuwaida@fedoraproject.org> On Wednesday 28 November 2007 14:22:37 Nicu Buculei wrote: > Mar?a Leandro wrote: > > I think that I understand a different thing: > > > > I'm working into a Fedora wallpaper that should work for F9, and some of > > my ideas are to making it alive :D (If the people was happy with the > > infinity giving us the time... we could make the same transition of > > images on the desktop but using something different as a pattern). > > I wanted to bring a talk (in a different thread) about dynamic versus > static backgrounds and what we are aiming for in F9, but if you said > about it, here is a good place to talk. > > The dynamic background was a popular feature, well received in the > reviews, a step forward. But on the other hand it may limit the design > options: it work very well for an abstract theme like Infinity, but it > won't work for something elaborated like FlyingHigh and it would be hard > (but not impossible) for something like DNA. > So there are ups and downs. > > > The window style... Can we ad some textures to menu bar? (Gnome and KDE) > > like a 3D sensation? I now that we could make something on inkscape > > looking like a pipe and instead see the things up the bar this COULD BE > > SEEN as inside... (but I'm not shure that if this is possible.... just > > saying what I have in mind to develop for F9 AS PERSONAL WORK) > > Like http://art.gnome.org/themes/metacity/155 ? Yes, it should be > possible to use pixmaps engines, but they are usually slower and consume > more resources (and in my personal opinion look busy). > > > Menu, window... everithing.... we CAN make a new window style like > > 3D.... why don't we go for it? > > Why? Because nobody convinced us this is the best thing. The best way > would be for you, I think, to create a mockup, post it here and impress > everybody. > > > Yes... Here on LatinAmerica (Venezuela) the patents issue is really big, > > so.... (kind'a proposition) why don't we re-make a new style concept on > > the desktop for Fedora 9? It could be the start for a longer way. > > The same thing: post a mockup and get some enthusiastic followers. If it > is something complex it may take more than one release cycle. Wow! A lot as been going on here :) Mar?a, I like your proposals (3D, dynamic backgrounds, etc), I've been thinking about the samething, but I didn't say anything because I thought that it'd be stupid and not welcome. I would like to talk to you about this, and maybe we can let the rest know about what we reach as a conclusion :) Do you use GTalk? I'll add you up! 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I'll try to finish at least some scratches this week. thx 2007/11/28, Laith Juwaidah : > > On Wednesday 28 November 2007 14:22:37 Nicu Buculei wrote: > > Mar?a Leandro wrote: > > > I think that I understand a different thing: > > > > > > I'm working into a Fedora wallpaper that should work for F9, and some > of > > > my ideas are to making it alive :D (If the people was happy with the > > > infinity giving us the time... we could make the same transition of > > > images on the desktop but using something different as a pattern). > > > > I wanted to bring a talk (in a different thread) about dynamic versus > > static backgrounds and what we are aiming for in F9, but if you said > > about it, here is a good place to talk. > > > > The dynamic background was a popular feature, well received in the > > reviews, a step forward. But on the other hand it may limit the design > > options: it work very well for an abstract theme like Infinity, but it > > won't work for something elaborated like FlyingHigh and it would be hard > > (but not impossible) for something like DNA. > > So there are ups and downs. > > > > > The window style... Can we ad some textures to menu bar? (Gnome and > KDE) > > > like a 3D sensation? I now that we could make something on inkscape > > > looking like a pipe and instead see the things up the bar this COULD > BE > > > SEEN as inside... (but I'm not shure that if this is possible.... just > > > saying what I have in mind to develop for F9 AS PERSONAL WORK) > > > > Like http://art.gnome.org/themes/metacity/155 ? Yes, it should be > > possible to use pixmaps engines, but they are usually slower and consume > > more resources (and in my personal opinion look busy). > > > > > Menu, window... everithing.... we CAN make a new window style like > > > 3D.... why don't we go for it? > > > > Why? Because nobody convinced us this is the best thing. The best way > > would be for you, I think, to create a mockup, post it here and impress > > everybody. > > > > > Yes... Here on LatinAmerica (Venezuela) the patents issue is really > big, > > > so.... (kind'a proposition) why don't we re-make a new style concept > on > > > the desktop for Fedora 9? It could be the start for a longer way. > > > > The same thing: post a mockup and get some enthusiastic followers. If it > > is something complex it may take more than one release cycle. > > Wow! A lot as been going on here :) > > Mar?a, I like your proposals (3D, dynamic backgrounds, etc), I've been > thinking about the samething, but I didn't say anything because I thought > that it'd be stupid and not welcome. > > I would like to talk to you about this, and maybe we can let the rest know > about what we reach as a conclusion :) > > Do you use GTalk? I'll add you up! > > Cheers! > -- > Laith Juwaidah > http://www.ljuwaidah.org/ > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list > > > -- tatica Maria Gracia Leandro http://www.tatica.org http://www.iseit.net http://www.latinux.org http://www.fedora-ve.org http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/MariaLeandro LinuxUser= 440285 GPG Public Key: E1CDCC56 "Be yourself... Don't be anyone else" -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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From: Ted Gould Subject: [Inkscape-user] Fedora Package Maintainer Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 09:48:55 -0800 Size: 5072 URL: From jspaleta at gmail.com Thu Nov 29 00:29:26 2007 From: jspaleta at gmail.com (Jeff Spaleta) Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 15:29:26 -0900 Subject: [Fwd: [Inkscape-user] Fedora Package Maintainer] In-Reply-To: <474DB005.1040509@gmail.com> References: <474DB005.1040509@gmail.com> Message-ID: <604aa7910711281629u1e2480enc07d87d6f4bf7671@mail.gmail.com> On Nov 28, 2007 9:14 AM, Michael Beckwith wrote: > Denis Leroy e-mail me off list and mentioned that he's no longer > interested in maintaining the Fedora package of Inkscape. If there is > any other Fedora packagers that are willing to pick it up, that'd be > great. I'm not sure of other Fedora lists that this should be posted > to, but if people could forward it to those that would be great. okay this definitely is not "a good thing"{tm}. But I'm looking over what I'm maintaining now and there's no way I can commit to maintaining this one. I can't imagine inkscape not being maintained, but I can't be the one to do it. -jef From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Thu Nov 29 06:34:53 2007 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 08:34:53 +0200 Subject: [Fwd: [Inkscape-user] Fedora Package Maintainer] In-Reply-To: <474DB005.1040509@gmail.com> References: <474DB005.1040509@gmail.com> Message-ID: <474E5D8D.6040400@nicubunu.ro> Michael Beckwith wrote: > Found this interesting and something that one of us could perhaps > partake in? Michael, you should have forwarded this to the devel not art list. /me grumpy about not being able to install Inkscape autopackaged nightly builds due to bad library requirements since F8 and not even able to submit a bug report after they changed the tracker from sf.net to Launchpad. > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: > [Inkscape-user] Fedora Package Maintainer > > > Hello, > > Denis Leroy e-mail me off list and mentioned that he's no longer > interested in maintaining the Fedora package of Inkscape. If there is > any other Fedora packagers that are willing to pick it up, that'd be > great. I'm not sure of other Fedora lists that this should be posted > to, but if people could forward it to those that would be great. > > Thanks, > Ted -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From markg85 at gmail.com Thu Nov 29 14:43:33 2007 From: markg85 at gmail.com (Mark) Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 15:43:33 +0100 Subject: Nodoka 0.2 for KDE In-Reply-To: References: <200711202204.12620.ljuwaidah@gmail.com> Message-ID: <6e24a8e80711290643v1da99c88v29a2515d73629d4e@mail.gmail.com> Hi, are you gonna make one for KDE 4 as well? ^_^ 2007/11/21, Laith Juwaidah : > Hi, > > I just uploaded it to my fedorapeople space[1]. > > I'll upload it to git soon! > > Oh, and sorry about the name... I just remember that it's called > ndoka-kwin-theme after I uploaded this :D > > Have fun and give feedbacks :) > > Cheers! > > [1] > http://ljuwaida.fedorapeople.org/Artwork/Nodoka/KDE/WindowDecoration/NodokaWindowDecorationKDE-0.2.tar.gz > -- > Laith Juwaidah > http://www.ljuwaidah.org/ > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list > From liviopl.pl at gmail.com Thu Nov 29 18:44:50 2007 From: liviopl.pl at gmail.com (Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek) Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 19:44:50 +0100 Subject: Nodoka: Focus Ring Message-ID: <1196361890.4766.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> Hi, Murrine is modern GTK engine, which was basis for Nodoka. Nodoka is also a modern GTK engine. Clearlooks is other GTK engine, also modern (it's kinda stupid, all are modern :> ?). Clearlooks in SVN changed focus ring from dotted outline to rounded and semi-transparent filled rectangle and slight shadow on buttons (OSX-like) [1]. Windows Vista has other focus ring - pulsating background/shadow (don't remember) [2, Configure button]. I have very simple proposal, to change the current focus ring [3]. 1| http://img.wklej.org/images/12466focus-clearlooks.png 2| http://www.tech2.com/media/images/img_3831_networking.jpg 3| http://img.wklej.org/images/99108focus-nodoka.png -- ___ _ | _|___ _| |___ ___ ___ | _| -_| . | . | _| . | |_| |___|___|___|_| |___|_ Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek Fedora Project http://liviopl.jogger.pl/ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I just remember that it's called > > ndoka-kwin-theme after I uploaded this :D > > > > Have fun and give feedbacks :) > > > > Cheers! > > > > [1] > > http://ljuwaida.fedorapeople.org/Artwork/Nodoka/KDE/WindowDecoration/Nodo > >kaWindowDecorationKDE-0.2.tar.gz -- > > Laith Juwaidah > > http://www.ljuwaidah.org/ > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Fedora-art-list mailing list > > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list That you should ask Kevin Kofler, he said that he's going to work on porting DeKorator to KDE4, once he does that you can use the theme on KDE4, but, there's nothing to be done from my part :) Cheers! -- Laith Juwaidah http://www.ljuwaidah.org/ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part. URL: From mmahut at fedoraproject.org Fri Nov 30 16:52:58 2007 From: mmahut at fedoraproject.org (Marek Mahut) Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2007 17:52:58 +0100 Subject: F9 Name Proposal In-Reply-To: <604aa7910711241436s46c0bd2cg5cc3d64f0b13b316@mail.gmail.com> References: <1194894110.5086.0.camel@rocket> <4746BA31.7070402@fedoraproject.org> <200711231603.16916.ljuwaida@fedoraproject.org> <47489A4C.6070400@fedoraproject.org> <604aa7910711241436s46c0bd2cg5cc3d64f0b13b316@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <47503FEA.4020600@fedoraproject.org> Jeff, Jeff Spaleta wrote: > On Nov 24, 2007 12:40 PM, Marek Mahut wrote: >> Well, the old habits can be always changed. > > The names of real people have really interesting trademark and > copyright issues. I would really like to avoid the potential > complication of having to license the use of a person's likeness in > the production of a fedora release. Hm, I don't think so, for example Zimbra is using names for their releases. And I guess that titles of movies and names of wines has stronger trademark as a human name :) > -jef -- Marek Mahut http://www.fedoraproject.org/ Fedora Project http://www.jamendo.com/ From liviopl.pl at gmail.com Fri Nov 30 18:20:22 2007 From: liviopl.pl at gmail.com (Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek) Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2007 19:20:22 +0100 Subject: Flying Higher GDM Theme Message-ID: <1196446822.13008.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> Hi, In Dropline GNOME (Slackware packages) I've found nice login theme, so I've modified it a lot and added simple "Login" image from SLiM. Hope you like it and it can be basis for F9 GDM theme. 1| http://up.wklej.org/download.php?id=b44afe91b8a427a6be2078cc89bd6f9b -- ___ _ | _|___ _| |___ ___ ___ | _| -_| . | . | _| . | |_| |___|___|___|_| |___|_ Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek Fedora Project http://liviopl.jogger.pl/ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: To jest cz??? wiadomo?ci podpisana cyfrowo URL: From svbrand at alumnos.inf.utfsm.cl Fri Nov 30 19:14:32 2007 From: svbrand at alumnos.inf.utfsm.cl (Sven von Brand) Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2007 16:14:32 -0300 Subject: start the process for F9 theming? In-Reply-To: <474CF72B.90508@alumnos.inf.utfsm.cl> References: <474C39A4.7040102@nicubunu.ro> <474CE616.5090206@gmail.com> <474CF72B.90508@alumnos.inf.utfsm.cl> Message-ID: <47506118.6000909@alumnos.inf.utfsm.cl> Sven von Brand wrote: > Michael Beckwith wrote: >> [...] > > I actually was thinking of an "alive" theme trying to represent freedom, > because to give freedom a face it's not general, so I was thinking to > go for a theme refering to freedom, but not directly. > "breath" or "just breath" > "keep going" > "live" > [...] Here I made a first test of a 3D image background made in blender and with transition from day to night. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/F9Themes/F93Day It's just a test, but it's the idea (changing the pig for somenthing more apealing and making the color more Fedora alike). It's my first try on doing something like a backgorund for Fedora, so be nice with the critics, but keep them coming. unfortunally the .blend file had an error... I'm going to do a new one soon. Greetings -- Sven von Brand Laredo Estudiante de Ing. Civil Informatica, UTFSM Fedora Ambassador for Chile Coordinador Ciclo Charlas Tecnicas, DI, UTFSM From liviopl.pl at gmail.com Fri Nov 30 19:34:36 2007 From: liviopl.pl at gmail.com (Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek) Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2007 20:34:36 +0100 Subject: start the process for F9 theming? In-Reply-To: <47506118.6000909@alumnos.inf.utfsm.cl> References: <474C39A4.7040102@nicubunu.ro> <474CE616.5090206@gmail.com> <474CF72B.90508@alumnos.inf.utfsm.cl> <47506118.6000909@alumnos.inf.utfsm.cl> Message-ID: <1196451276.13592.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> Nice pig :> . Dnia 30-11-2007, pi? o godzinie 16:14 -0300, Sven von Brand pisze: > Sven von Brand wrote: > > Michael Beckwith wrote: > >> [...] > > > > I actually was thinking of an "alive" theme trying to represent freedom, > > because to give freedom a face it's not general, so I was thinking to > > go for a theme refering to freedom, but not directly. > > "breath" or "just breath" > > "keep going" > > "live" > > [...] > > Here I made a first test of a 3D image background made in blender and > with transition from day to night. > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/F9Themes/F93Day > > It's just a test, but it's the idea (changing the pig for somenthing > more apealing and making the color more Fedora alike). > > It's my first try on doing something like a backgorund for Fedora, so > be nice with the critics, but keep them coming. > > unfortunally the .blend file had an error... I'm going to do a new one > soon. > > Greetings > > -- ___ _ | _|___ _| |___ ___ ___ | _| -_| . | . | _| . | |_| |___|___|___|_| |___|_ Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek Fedora Project http://liviopl.jogger.pl/ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: To jest cz??? wiadomo?ci podpisana cyfrowo URL: