From jonathan.roberts.uk at googlemail.com Sat Sep 1 13:21:07 2007 From: jonathan.roberts.uk at googlemail.com (Jonathan Roberts) Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2007 14:21:07 +0100 Subject: Icon howto? In-Reply-To: <1188600319.2954.31.camel@pc-notebook> References: <3263b11b0708311101r5da2b6cdq371e1b3e5f81cc18@mail.gmail.com> <1188600319.2954.31.camel@pc-notebook> Message-ID: <3263b11b0709010621q5447c116t4a9e34ceaac65803@mail.gmail.com> Hey, thanks for the reply :D > Some answers to your questions: > > file formats - png for most icons, svg for scalable icons > > sizes - 16x16, 22x22, 24x24, 32x32, 48x48, the bigger you will probably > not need I figure producing them as svg means I can just export to whatever size I want? Only thing is, when I've exported icons I've already created, or simply viewed them as svg (thumbnail previews) they haven't looked as sharp as when I've produced them, instead looking slightly blurred. Is there any reason why this is? (using inkscape) > > names - > http://standards.freedesktop.org/icon-naming-spec/icon-naming-spec-latest.html > and icon-naming-utils package, also there is a usefull utility analyzing > the current coverage (you have to have inherited icon theme though, to > make use of this) [1] awesome thanks :D > > index.theme - > http://git.fedoraproject.org/?p=hosted/echo-icon-theme;a=blob_plain;f=trunk/Echo/index.theme;hb=HEAD (example) and http://standards.freedesktop.org/icon-theme-spec/icon-theme-spec-latest.html > I'll have to check these out....for now I'm just substituting my icons into echo with the appropriate names to see how they look. > I am also not sure if this isn't remaking of the high-contrast theme. > Its in every default distribution of fedora, so you find it easily. I took a look at these, and the idea is pretty similar. The main icons I was after though were for the system tray etc in a theme where the rest of the icons were full colour! The high contrast theme seems to be missing some of the more common icons for this too, such as software update/battery/wireless etc. Maybe I can look into feeding any icons I create back upstream to these people? The other difference was that while they've made the icons largely black, I've used a slightly more balanced approach between white and black in the icons, with an overall lighter feel to them... Anyway, thanks again for the reply - would love to hear if anybody thought these icons were of any value :D Jon From duffy at redhat.com Sat Sep 1 13:53:55 2007 From: duffy at redhat.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?M=E1ir=ED=ADn_Duffy?=) Date: Sat, 01 Sep 2007 09:53:55 -0400 Subject: Icon howto? In-Reply-To: <3263b11b0709010621q5447c116t4a9e34ceaac65803@mail.gmail.com> References: <3263b11b0708311101r5da2b6cdq371e1b3e5f81cc18@mail.gmail.com> <1188600319.2954.31.camel@pc-notebook> <3263b11b0709010621q5447c116t4a9e34ceaac65803@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <46D96EF3.6030605@redhat.com> Jonathan Roberts wrote: > Hey, thanks for the reply :D > >> Some answers to your questions: >> >> file formats - png for most icons, svg for scalable icons >> >> sizes - 16x16, 22x22, 24x24, 32x32, 48x48, the bigger you will probably >> not need > > I figure producing them as svg means I can just export to whatever > size I want? Only thing is, when I've exported icons I've already > created, or simply viewed them as svg (thumbnail previews) they > haven't looked as sharp as when I've produced them, instead looking > slightly blurred. Is there any reason why this is? (using inkscape) Yes. You need to align them to the pixel grid. You can't simply draw it once and export it to whatever sizes... you have to align the artwork to the pixel grid for every size. Some references: http://www.firewheeldesign.com/sparkplug/2006/April/icon_design_bitmap_vs_vector.php http://mezzoblue.com/archives/2007/07/11/icon_design/ http://www.gimp.org/tutorials/Creating_Icons/ ~m From martin.sourada at seznam.cz Sat Sep 1 13:58:58 2007 From: martin.sourada at seznam.cz (Martin Sourada) Date: Sat, 01 Sep 2007 15:58:58 +0200 Subject: Icon howto? In-Reply-To: <46D96EF3.6030605@redhat.com> References: <3263b11b0708311101r5da2b6cdq371e1b3e5f81cc18@mail.gmail.com> <1188600319.2954.31.camel@pc-notebook> <3263b11b0709010621q5447c116t4a9e34ceaac65803@mail.gmail.com> <46D96EF3.6030605@redhat.com> Message-ID: <1188655138.2954.54.camel@pc-notebook> On Sat, 2007-09-01 at 15:53 +0200, M?ir??n Duffy wrote: > Jonathan Roberts wrote: > > Hey, thanks for the reply :D > > > >> Some answers to your questions: > >> > >> file formats - png for most icons, svg for scalable icons > >> > >> sizes - 16x16, 22x22, 24x24, 32x32, 48x48, the bigger you will probably > >> not need > > > > I figure producing them as svg means I can just export to whatever > > size I want? Only thing is, when I've exported icons I've already > > created, or simply viewed them as svg (thumbnail previews) they > > haven't looked as sharp as when I've produced them, instead looking > > slightly blurred. Is there any reason why this is? (using inkscape) > > Yes. You need to align them to the pixel grid. You can't simply draw it > once and export it to whatever sizes... you have to align the artwork to > the pixel grid for every size. Some references: > > http://www.firewheeldesign.com/sparkplug/2006/April/icon_design_bitmap_vs_vector.php > > http://mezzoblue.com/archives/2007/07/11/icon_design/ > > http://www.gimp.org/tutorials/Creating_Icons/ > > ~m > And I would add that really helpfull thing is to open a preview in inkscape: View->Icon Preview... It provides 1:1 look at 96x96, 48x48, 32x32, 24x24 and 16x16 icons and you can have it open and edit in inkscape in the meantime. Just push Refresh anytime you'd like to check how it is aligned :) Martin -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Some references: > > > > http://www.firewheeldesign.com/sparkplug/2006/April/icon_design_bitmap_vs_vector.php > > > > http://mezzoblue.com/archives/2007/07/11/icon_design/ > > > > http://www.gimp.org/tutorials/Creating_Icons/ > > > > ~m > > > > And I would add that really helpfull thing is to open a preview in > inkscape: View->Icon Preview... It provides 1:1 look at 96x96, 48x48, > 32x32, 24x24 and 16x16 icons and you can have it open and edit in > inkscape in the meantime. Just push Refresh anytime you'd like to check > how it is aligned :) Woah! I've just gained a massive amount more respect for all the work that icon developers have to do!! Thanks for the advice both of you - playing with it now and it has made it looked a lot better, at least imho :D Jon From martin.sourada at seznam.cz Sun Sep 2 12:34:14 2007 From: martin.sourada at seznam.cz (Martin Sourada) Date: Sun, 02 Sep 2007 14:34:14 +0200 Subject: First batch of Category Echo icons complete Message-ID: <1188736454.2954.61.camel@pc-notebook> Hi, I've just finished a first batch of Category icons for the Echo icon set. All the icons that go to the Applications menu are therefore (hopefully) complete, with all sizes included. You can look at them at my fedorapeople page [1]. Comments welcome. If no objections arise, I will upload them next weekend to the echo-icon-theme git repository. Thanks, Martin References: [1] http://mso.fedorapeople.org/echo/ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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The bird was designed primarily from a "f" drawing... Regards, Antonio. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From antoniomenezes at gmail.com Mon Sep 3 00:26:56 2007 From: antoniomenezes at gmail.com (Antonio Menezes) Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2007 21:26:56 -0300 Subject: Fwd: Fedora Mascot - Blue Arara Idea In-Reply-To: <45a1d57e0709021714r57ab1d8fi26d305725b4a74fa@mail.gmail.com> References: <45a1d57e0709021714r57ab1d8fi26d305725b4a74fa@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <45a1d57e0709021726j7b665187i70b9976d39430a3@mail.gmail.com> Another Blue Arara Image, for your evaluation: http://freeplone2.openia.com/teledev/imagens/blue_arara2.svg/download Regards, Antonio. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Mon Sep 3 06:20:43 2007 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Mon, 03 Sep 2007 09:20:43 +0300 Subject: Icon feedback WAS Icon howto? In-Reply-To: <3263b11b0708311424m63b0e1eeuf89ff89fd3b1908c@mail.gmail.com> References: <3263b11b0708311424m63b0e1eeuf89ff89fd3b1908c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <46DBA7BB.50307@nicubunu.ro> Jonathan Roberts wrote: > > I've created some icons in the style that I had in mind, so in case > any body has any interest in seeing what I've done I've uploaded them > to Flickr: > > http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1086/1288722576_adf5e6330e_o.png > > Only got it working on Pidgin right now, and obviously there aren't > very many there, but feedback would be welcome :D I think people would get a better idea about them from a screenshot of a real desktop using the icons. (I expect they will not loot that great on *my* desktop, with a very dark background and a partly transparent panel). -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Mon Sep 3 06:36:30 2007 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Mon, 03 Sep 2007 09:36:30 +0300 Subject: Fwd: Fedora Mascot - Blue Arara Idea In-Reply-To: <45a1d57e0709021726j7b665187i70b9976d39430a3@mail.gmail.com> References: <45a1d57e0709021714r57ab1d8fi26d305725b4a74fa@mail.gmail.com> <45a1d57e0709021726j7b665187i70b9976d39430a3@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <46DBAB6E.6030808@nicubunu.ro> Antonio Menezes wrote: > Another Blue Arara Image, for your evaluation: > > http://freeplone2.openia.com/teledev/imagens/blue_arara2.svg/download Why don't you use the fedoraproject.org wiki to upload those images? Is useful to have all the proposals in one place for easier comparison. Regarding your second proposal, if we will ever have a mascot, it will not make use of the logo in its original form (trademark policy). People may remix and add some logos in their own derivatives, but this is up to the individuals. PS: the server you are using does not use the right MIME type for SVG, it should be "image/svg+xml" -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From luya_tfz at thefinalzone.com Mon Sep 3 07:20:57 2007 From: luya_tfz at thefinalzone.com (Luya Tshimbalanga) Date: Mon, 03 Sep 2007 00:20:57 -0700 Subject: First batch of Category Echo icons complete In-Reply-To: <1188736454.2954.61.camel@pc-notebook> References: <1188736454.2954.61.camel@pc-notebook> Message-ID: <46DBB5D9.5010500@thefinalzone.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Martin Sourada a ?crit : > Hi, > > I've just finished a first batch of Category icons for the Echo icon > set. All the icons that go to the Applications menu are therefore > (hopefully) complete, with all sizes included. You can look at them at > my fedorapeople page [1]. Comments welcome. If no objections arise, I > will upload them next weekend to the echo-icon-theme git repository. I noticed you created a new application-development. It looks better than the old model. Some icons i.e. application-multimedia and application-game still have light casted from upper-right. I will let pass application-game thought due to the ace spade card position. Application-office 22x2 and 24x24 icons should use less paper. Two papers per folder should suffice. Other than that, no further suggestion. Luya. - stuck with assignments and couldn't find time to create new echo icons. 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Actually most of the category icons I designed use Gnome shapes (with Echo styling and perspective), those originally designed by Diana use Tango shapes. > Some icons i.e. application-multimedia and application-game still have > light casted from upper-right. I will let pass application-game > thought due to the ace spade card position. > Should be fixed now. Those two were just edited SVGs to look same as the PNGs which are in current package, plus added other sizes. I edited the gradients now to follow the lightning better. > Application-office 22x2 and 24x24 icons should use less paper. Two > papers per folder should suffice. > Yes, two papers looks a lot better, thanks for the suggestion :) I hope I will finish the rest of the category icons tomorrow or the day after, I'll let you know when the complete set is finished (or you can check the echo page on fedorapeople[1], I update it usually as soon as I create an icon). Martin References: [1] http://mso.fedorapeople.org/echo/ > Other than that, no further suggestion. > > Luya. - stuck with assignments and couldn't find time to create new > echo icons. Next > two weeks should allow it. > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (GNU/Linux) > Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org > > iD8DBQFG27XXa10Jb0NOz+ERAq58AKCkFWB6MH+jqNVO6/DbgRIoevAZgwCdFaQ+ > zlaKFQ35/k74VoTKsk+eYkA= > =3dNh > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Is > useful to have all the proposals in one place for easier comparison. > > Actually, I do not have permission to upload images on wiki. I would like to do that... Regards, Antonio. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Tue Sep 4 06:20:19 2007 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Tue, 04 Sep 2007 09:20:19 +0300 Subject: Fedora-art-list Digest, Vol 18, Issue 3 In-Reply-To: <45a1d57e0709030746o1fe09b84q8d811145203bc39d@mail.gmail.com> References: <20070903125837.5CC1D7342F@hormel.redhat.com> <45a1d57e0709030746o1fe09b84q8d811145203bc39d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <46DCF923.1050006@nicubunu.ro> Antonio Menezes wrote: > > Why don't you use the fedoraproject.org > wiki to upload those images? Is > useful to have all the proposals in one place for easier comparison. > > > Actually, I do not have permission to upload images on wiki. I would > like to do that... These are the requirements needed in order to get write permission: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/EditGroupQueue Once you have signed the CLA you can ping me to add your name to the EditGroup and do not wait in a queue. Do not hesitate to ask for help or clarifications if needed. Here is some simplified info about the CLA and why it is needed: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/KarstenWade/Drafts/PlainEnglishCLA -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From martin.sourada at seznam.cz Tue Sep 4 12:36:32 2007 From: martin.sourada at seznam.cz (Martin Sourada) Date: Tue, 04 Sep 2007 14:36:32 +0200 Subject: Echo Categories icons candidates complete Message-ID: <1188909392.9729.117.camel@pc-notebook> Hi, I've just finished last icon from the Categories category of the Echo icon set. As I noted in my previous mail [1], if no objections arise I'll upload the applications-* icons to the Echo git repo during the weekend. The second batch (preferences-* and system-help) icons I'll upload (if no objections arise) later (probably at next Thursday) as I finished them later. Comments are welcome :) All the icons are located at my echo fedorapeople page [2]. Thanks, Martin References: [1] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-art-list/2007-September/msg00004.html [2] http://mso.fedorapeople.org/echo/ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Cheers, Steven Garrity [1] http://mso.fedorapeople.org/echo/applications-office16.png From martin.sourada at seznam.cz Tue Sep 4 14:12:18 2007 From: martin.sourada at seznam.cz (Martin Sourada) Date: Tue, 04 Sep 2007 16:12:18 +0200 Subject: Echo Categories icons candidates complete In-Reply-To: <46DD663D.8050809@silverorange.com> References: <1188909392.9729.117.camel@pc-notebook> <46DD663D.8050809@silverorange.com> Message-ID: <1188915138.9729.120.camel@pc-notebook> On Tue, 2007-09-04 at 16:05 +0200, Steven Garrity wrote: > Martin Sourada wrote: > > All the icons are located at my echo fedorapeople page [2]. > > [2] http://mso.fedorapeople.org/echo/ > > > Looking good. However, I found the 16px version of the > applications-office icon [1] looked a bit like two iPod Nanos. > > Cheers, > Steven Garrity > > [1] http://mso.fedorapeople.org/echo/applications-office16.png > Heh, didn't thought of that possibility. Is iPod Nano available in these colours? 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However, I found the 16px version of the > > applications-office icon [1] looked a bit like two iPod Nanos. > > > > Cheers, > > Steven Garrity > > > > [1] http://mso.fedorapeople.org/echo/applications-office16.png > > > Heh, didn't thought of that possibility. Is iPod Nano available in these > colours? Perhaps I could make the holes in the bottom part smaller to > distinguish it more... > > Thanks, > Martin > Should be better now [1]. Martin References: [1] http://mso.fedorapeople.org/echo/applications-office16.png -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From markg85 at gmail.com Tue Sep 4 15:52:25 2007 From: markg85 at gmail.com (Mark) Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2007 17:52:25 +0200 Subject: [Fwd: Re: Why don't we have a themed "Screen Locked" anymore?] In-Reply-To: <46DD53DC.3030504@nicubunu.ro> References: <46DBFEB1.9080807@nicubunu.ro> <46DD53DC.3030504@nicubunu.ro> Message-ID: <6e24a8e80709040852u1a198894j5958d93a120ccb4e@mail.gmail.com> 2007/9/4, Nicu Buculei : > Nicu Buculei wrote: > I played a bit in Glade with the dialog and now it display the user > face, it may not be the perfect layout but I am a complete noob with Glade. oke.. i've seen the new lock dialog a few times now and i have one request for it. i'm working on a wide screen notebook and the lock dialog looks a little to high... it would be good if you could make the lock dialog some smaller in height and keep the width the same. From duffy at redhat.com Tue Sep 4 16:01:04 2007 From: duffy at redhat.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?M=E1ir=EDn_Duffy?=) Date: Tue, 04 Sep 2007 12:01:04 -0400 Subject: [Fwd: Re: Why don't we have a themed "Screen Locked" anymore?] In-Reply-To: <6e24a8e80709040852u1a198894j5958d93a120ccb4e@mail.gmail.com> References: <46DBFEB1.9080807@nicubunu.ro> <46DD53DC.3030504@nicubunu.ro> <6e24a8e80709040852u1a198894j5958d93a120ccb4e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <46DD8140.8010301@redhat.com> Mark wrote: > 2007/9/4, Nicu Buculei : >> Nicu Buculei wrote: >> I played a bit in Glade with the dialog and now it display the user >> face, it may not be the perfect layout but I am a complete noob with Glade. > > oke.. i've seen the new lock dialog a few times now and i have one > request for it. > i'm working on a wide screen notebook and the lock dialog looks a > little to high... it would be good if you could make the lock dialog > some smaller in height and keep the width the same. Screenshot?? :) ?? ~m From mclasen at redhat.com Tue Sep 4 16:03:21 2007 From: mclasen at redhat.com (Matthias Clasen) Date: Tue, 04 Sep 2007 12:03:21 -0400 Subject: [Fwd: Re: Why don't we have a themed "Screen Locked" anymore?] In-Reply-To: <46DD53DC.3030504@nicubunu.ro> References: <46DBFEB1.9080807@nicubunu.ro> <46DD53DC.3030504@nicubunu.ro> Message-ID: <1188921801.4564.17.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Tue, 2007-09-04 at 15:47 +0300, Nicu Buculei wrote: > Nicu Buculei wrote: > > As people ask on the devel list about a themed "Screen Locked" dialog, > > here is my first attempt at it, the files should be downloaded in > > /usr/share/gnome-screensaver/ (the .glade file is unmodified, identical > > with the existing one, it could be modified to include the face but I > > don't know how to do that) and activated with > > gconftool-2 --type string --set > > /apps/gnome-screensaver/lock_dialog_theme system > > I played a bit in Glade with the dialog and now it display the user > face, it may not be the perfect layout but I am a complete noob with Glade. While you are gladeing around, it would be nice to add the new "leave a note" feature from the unthemed lock dialog to the themed one, too. From markg85 at gmail.com Tue Sep 4 18:25:14 2007 From: markg85 at gmail.com (Mark) Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2007 20:25:14 +0200 Subject: [Fwd: Re: Why don't we have a themed "Screen Locked" anymore?] In-Reply-To: <46DD8140.8010301@redhat.com> References: <46DBFEB1.9080807@nicubunu.ro> <46DD53DC.3030504@nicubunu.ro> <6e24a8e80709040852u1a198894j5958d93a120ccb4e@mail.gmail.com> <46DD8140.8010301@redhat.com> Message-ID: <6e24a8e80709041125q64e58f88jae64f734a898a299@mail.gmail.com> > Screenshot?? :) ?? quite simple.. the current lock dialog background is the is a small version of the Fedora 8 wallpaper.. change that background to the wide screen wallpaper and you have what i want :) From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Wed Sep 5 06:02:27 2007 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Wed, 05 Sep 2007 09:02:27 +0300 Subject: [Fwd: Re: Why don't we have a themed "Screen Locked" anymore?] In-Reply-To: <46DD8140.8010301@redhat.com> References: <46DBFEB1.9080807@nicubunu.ro> <46DD53DC.3030504@nicubunu.ro> <6e24a8e80709040852u1a198894j5958d93a120ccb4e@mail.gmail.com> <46DD8140.8010301@redhat.com> Message-ID: <46DE4673.1050502@nicubunu.ro> M?ir?n Duffy wrote: > Mark wrote: >> >> oke.. i've seen the new lock dialog a few times now and i have one >> request for it. >> i'm working on a wide screen notebook and the lock dialog looks a >> little to high... it would be good if you could make the lock dialog >> some smaller in height and keep the width the same. > > Screenshot?? :) ?? Just out of curiosity (I don't have a wide screen): how can one take a screenshot of the lock dialog (that is, without using a VM in a window)? -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From mclasen at redhat.com Wed Sep 5 13:40:05 2007 From: mclasen at redhat.com (Matthias Clasen) Date: Wed, 05 Sep 2007 09:40:05 -0400 Subject: [Fwd: Re: Why don't we have a themed "Screen Locked" anymore?] In-Reply-To: <46DE4673.1050502@nicubunu.ro> References: <46DBFEB1.9080807@nicubunu.ro> <46DD53DC.3030504@nicubunu.ro> <6e24a8e80709040852u1a198894j5958d93a120ccb4e@mail.gmail.com> <46DD8140.8010301@redhat.com> <46DE4673.1050502@nicubunu.ro> Message-ID: <1188999605.4219.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Wed, 2007-09-05 at 09:02 +0300, Nicu Buculei wrote: > M?ir?n Duffy wrote: > > Mark wrote: > >> > >> oke.. i've seen the new lock dialog a few times now and i have one > >> request for it. > >> i'm working on a wide screen notebook and the lock dialog looks a > >> little to high... it would be good if you could make the lock dialog > >> some smaller in height and keep the width the same. > > > > Screenshot?? :) ?? > > Just out of curiosity (I don't have a wide screen): how can one take a > screenshot of the lock dialog (that is, without using a VM in a window)? > There are several options, with increasing amounts of overhead: - sleep 60; xwd -root > dump - run in Xnest, e.g. gdmflexiserver - run in a vm, eg. qemu-kvm -cdrom livecd.iso From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Wed Sep 5 13:59:13 2007 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Wed, 05 Sep 2007 16:59:13 +0300 Subject: [Fwd: Re: Why don't we have a themed "Screen Locked" anymore?] In-Reply-To: <1188921801.4564.17.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <46DBFEB1.9080807@nicubunu.ro> <46DD53DC.3030504@nicubunu.ro> <1188921801.4564.17.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <46DEB631.2050208@nicubunu.ro> Matthias Clasen wrote: > On Tue, 2007-09-04 at 15:47 +0300, Nicu Buculei wrote: >> I played a bit in Glade with the dialog and now it display the user >> face, it may not be the perfect layout but I am a complete noob with Glade. > > While you are gladeing around, it would be nice to add the new "leave a > note" feature from the unthemed lock dialog to the themed one, too. One more button and the width increases, so I had to do also a new, wider, background for it. Is the dialog to wide at 670px? If so then we have to change the buttons, either drop some or put them on two rows. But as I said, I am a noob with it, I hit a problem and don't know how to solve it: when running the dialog does not show the "Log Out" button. If I change its name from auth-logout-button to anything else it is shown (but then the button become useless as it is not tied with he code anymore). What is wrong? -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: lock-dialog-system.glade Type: application/x-glade Size: 14288 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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From stevelist at silverorange.com Thu Sep 6 20:01:01 2007 From: stevelist at silverorange.com (Steven Garrity) Date: Thu, 06 Sep 2007 17:01:01 -0300 Subject: [Fwd: Re: Why don't we have a themed "Screen Locked" anymore?] In-Reply-To: <6e24a8e80709061252l3afecafdj1c93ed94d77bcf49@mail.gmail.com> References: <46DBFEB1.9080807@nicubunu.ro> <46DD53DC.3030504@nicubunu.ro> <1188921801.4564.17.camel@localhost.localdomain> <46DEB631.2050208@nicubunu.ro> <6e24a8e80709061252l3afecafdj1c93ed94d77bcf49@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <46E05C7D.4010707@silverorange.com> Mark wrote: > do those buttons _have_ to be places side by side? I wondered that too. The primary action would usually be "Unlock", and the others secondary (or is that a fair assumption?). Perhaps the layout could reflect that? Steven Garrity From jspaleta at gmail.com Thu Sep 6 21:25:31 2007 From: jspaleta at gmail.com (Jeff Spaleta) Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2007 13:25:31 -0800 Subject: Art Studio Spin? Message-ID: <604aa7910709061425q7adddce1i1baffcd06b71c0f0@mail.gmail.com> So... now that the Fedora Electronics Lab is consumable from rawhide and is appearing on the torrent server I thought this would be a good time to ask. Is there interest in building a spin which is myopically focused on the art designer? Is the desktop oriented livecd good enough.. or is there room for a yet more focused spin for the designer usage case? And if so, can it be done inside the existing Fedora repository space without reaching for external bits? -jef"Fedora spins are the new drug... and I want to be the new drug pusher hanging out in the neighborhood playground, or library, or coffe eshop, or where ever."spaleta From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Fri Sep 7 06:02:59 2007 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Fri, 07 Sep 2007 09:02:59 +0300 Subject: Art Studio Spin? In-Reply-To: <604aa7910709061425q7adddce1i1baffcd06b71c0f0@mail.gmail.com> References: <604aa7910709061425q7adddce1i1baffcd06b71c0f0@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <46E0E993.8020806@nicubunu.ro> Jeff Spaleta wrote: > > Is there interest in building a spin which is myopically focused on > the art designer? > Is the desktop oriented livecd good enough.. or is there room for a > yet more focused spin > for the designer usage case? And if so, can it be done inside the > existing Fedora repository space without reaching for external bits? Personally I am *not* directly interested in such a spin, as the applications I use currently are included on the desktop spin (on top of that, I am also not very fond of the direction proposed by that spin and I will stay with the base release) but I see a use case: - the main tool lacking from the desktop spin regarding art is Blender (which I don't use) so Blender would be a must for Art Studio; - to reach all the needs, CinePaint probably would be also useful; - there are a few art applications using QT which may be useful: Scribus and Krita (I don't know if Krita can be installed without the rest of KOffice, so maybe only Scribus); - gLabels is small and related to art, so it may be a nice inclusion; - there are also some applications like Skencil, which I think is completely redundant (and inferior) to Inkscape and thus not very useful, but if we have enough empty space... To make room for those applications, I think OpenOffice.org would need to be dropped and maybe replaced with Abiword + Gnumeric. It is not packaged yet for Fedora, but the clipart collection from the Open Clip Art Library will be very useful in such context, it is the only external thing listed so far. All I said above is limited only to graphics, but an Art Studio Spin could as well include audio and video editors (not very useful for the codecs which can't be included on the Live CD) but it may have Audacity, Pitivi and more. -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Fri Sep 7 06:15:25 2007 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Fri, 07 Sep 2007 09:15:25 +0300 Subject: Art Studio Spin? In-Reply-To: <46E0E993.8020806@nicubunu.ro> References: <604aa7910709061425q7adddce1i1baffcd06b71c0f0@mail.gmail.com> <46E0E993.8020806@nicubunu.ro> Message-ID: <46E0EC7D.2090705@nicubunu.ro> Nicu Buculei wrote: > > Personally I am *not* directly interested in such a spin, as the > applications I use currently are included on the desktop spin (on top of > that, I am also not very fond of the direction proposed by that spin and > I will stay with the base release) but I see a use case: Of course there are lots of small but cool little applications I forgot to list in the previous mail, like Agave of Fyre, but I think we are not yet at the stage to assembly the list of applications for such a spin. -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From stevelist at silverorange.com Fri Sep 7 12:59:51 2007 From: stevelist at silverorange.com (Steven Garrity) Date: Fri, 07 Sep 2007 09:59:51 -0300 Subject: Art Studio Spin? In-Reply-To: <604aa7910709061425q7adddce1i1baffcd06b71c0f0@mail.gmail.com> References: <604aa7910709061425q7adddce1i1baffcd06b71c0f0@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <46E14B47.3040404@silverorange.com> Jeff Spaleta wrote: > Is there interest in building a spin which is myopically focused on > the art designer? As a professional web designer who uses Fedora as my primary web desktop, I don't see the need for such a variation. In my experience, designers end up using the same apps as the rest of us (web browser, office apps, etc.) plus a few key graphics apps - most of which are already easily available (Inkscape, Gimp, Agave, Blender, etc.). If anything, and "art/design" group of installable apps might help to make it easier to get all of the apps that aren't default - but even that's not too difficult. Thanks, Steven Garrity From martin.sourada at seznam.cz Fri Sep 7 13:11:53 2007 From: martin.sourada at seznam.cz (Martin Sourada) Date: Fri, 07 Sep 2007 15:11:53 +0200 Subject: Art Studio Spin? In-Reply-To: <46E14B47.3040404@silverorange.com> References: <604aa7910709061425q7adddce1i1baffcd06b71c0f0@mail.gmail.com> <46E14B47.3040404@silverorange.com> Message-ID: <1189170713.3143.2.camel@pc-notebook> I can see a reason for such a spin as far as it will be Live CD spin. In the current LiveCD, there are things art designer does not need, like games, and some we'd like to have are missing, e.g. inkscape or blender. If we are able to define our needs I think it could have some advantages. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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In-Reply-To: <46E0EC7D.2090705@nicubunu.ro> References: <604aa7910709061425q7adddce1i1baffcd06b71c0f0@mail.gmail.com> <46E0E993.8020806@nicubunu.ro> <46E0EC7D.2090705@nicubunu.ro> Message-ID: <46E1518F.80403@redhat.com> Nicu Buculei wrote: > Nicu Buculei wrote: >> >> Personally I am *not* directly interested in such a spin, as the >> applications I use currently are included on the desktop spin (on top >> of that, I am also not very fond of the direction proposed by that >> spin and I will stay with the base release) but I see a use case: > > Of course there are lots of small but cool little applications I forgot > to list in the previous mail, like Agave of Fyre, but I think we are not > yet at the stage to assembly the list of applications for such a spin. > Why not? I think the Red Hat High Live CD package manifest would be a good start for an Art Studio spin: http://redhathigh.pbwiki.com/Media+Package+Manifests ~m From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Fri Sep 7 13:28:54 2007 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Fri, 07 Sep 2007 16:28:54 +0300 Subject: Art Studio Spin? In-Reply-To: <46E14B47.3040404@silverorange.com> References: <604aa7910709061425q7adddce1i1baffcd06b71c0f0@mail.gmail.com> <46E14B47.3040404@silverorange.com> Message-ID: <46E15216.4030503@nicubunu.ro> Steven Garrity wrote: > Jeff Spaleta wrote: >> Is there interest in building a spin which is myopically focused on >> the art designer? > > As a professional web designer who uses Fedora as my primary web > desktop, I don't see the need for such a variation. In my experience, > designers end up using the same apps as the rest of us (web browser, > office apps, etc.) plus a few key graphics apps - most of which are > already easily available (Inkscape, Gimp, Agave, Blender, etc.). If I understand correctly, a web designer is not the primary target of such a spin, maybe the developer spin is better for you (also I think I am also not its target). > If anything, and "art/design" group of installable apps might help to > make it easier to get all of the apps that aren't default - but even > that's not too difficult. Sure, but those are Live CDs, so nothing is easily installable on them, -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Fri Sep 7 13:40:13 2007 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Fri, 07 Sep 2007 16:40:13 +0300 Subject: Art Studio Spin? In-Reply-To: <46E1518F.80403@redhat.com> References: <604aa7910709061425q7adddce1i1baffcd06b71c0f0@mail.gmail.com> <46E0E993.8020806@nicubunu.ro> <46E0EC7D.2090705@nicubunu.ro> <46E1518F.80403@redhat.com> Message-ID: <46E154BD.1070508@nicubunu.ro> M?ir?n Duffy wrote: > Nicu Buculei wrote: >> >> Of course there are lots of small but cool little applications I >> forgot to list in the previous mail, like Agave of Fyre, but I think >> we are not yet at the stage to assembly the list of applications for >> such a spin. >> > Why not? Only because Jeff asked "is there interest in building" and nobody replied yet "yes" :p > I think the Red Hat High Live CD package manifest would be a good start > for an Art Studio spin: > > http://redhathigh.pbwiki.com/Media+Package+Manifests -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From duffy at redhat.com Fri Sep 7 13:46:56 2007 From: duffy at redhat.com (=?UTF-8?B?TcOhaXLDrW4gRHVmZnk=?=) Date: Fri, 07 Sep 2007 09:46:56 -0400 Subject: Art Studio Spin? In-Reply-To: <46E154BD.1070508@nicubunu.ro> References: <604aa7910709061425q7adddce1i1baffcd06b71c0f0@mail.gmail.com> <46E0E993.8020806@nicubunu.ro> <46E0EC7D.2090705@nicubunu.ro> <46E1518F.80403@redhat.com> <46E154BD.1070508@nicubunu.ro> Message-ID: <46E15650.1020604@redhat.com> Nicu Buculei wrote: > M?ir?n Duffy wrote: >> Nicu Buculei wrote: >>> >>> Of course there are lots of small but cool little applications I >>> forgot to list in the previous mail, like Agave of Fyre, but I think >>> we are not yet at the stage to assembly the list of applications for >>> such a spin. >>> >> Why not? > > Only because Jeff asked "is there interest in building" and nobody > replied yet "yes" :p Well, from talking with Jeff it sounds like there may be less effort involved in at least initially constructing the spin than I thought. Basically you need a kickstart file. Well, I've been meaning to referesh my laptop anyway (it's still on FC6 :) ) so I have been thinking about writing up a nice kickstart file for the install since I usually do interactive installs and I'd rather make my systems more rebuildable. So if no one seems to have the time or interest now, I might start working on the KS file when I rebuild my laptop (which will need to be soon). ~m From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Fri Sep 7 13:57:00 2007 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Fri, 07 Sep 2007 16:57:00 +0300 Subject: Art Studio Spin? In-Reply-To: <46E15650.1020604@redhat.com> References: <604aa7910709061425q7adddce1i1baffcd06b71c0f0@mail.gmail.com> <46E0E993.8020806@nicubunu.ro> <46E0EC7D.2090705@nicubunu.ro> <46E1518F.80403@redhat.com> <46E154BD.1070508@nicubunu.ro> <46E15650.1020604@redhat.com> Message-ID: <46E158AC.4060605@nicubunu.ro> M?ir?n Duffy wrote: > > So if no one seems to have the time or interest now, I might start > working on the KS file when I rebuild my laptop (which will need to be > soon). OK. Do you aim for a CD or a DVD? In the CD case the space available is a big concern and you will have to go for "best of breed" applications, for DVD you can allow multiple choices. -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From nisses.mail at home.se Fri Sep 7 14:36:55 2007 From: nisses.mail at home.se (Andreas Nilsson) Date: Fri, 07 Sep 2007 16:36:55 +0200 Subject: Art Studio Spin? In-Reply-To: <604aa7910709061425q7adddce1i1baffcd06b71c0f0@mail.gmail.com> References: <604aa7910709061425q7adddce1i1baffcd06b71c0f0@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <46E16207.90409@home.se> Jeff Spaleta wrote: > So... now that the Fedora Electronics Lab is consumable from rawhide > and is appearing on the torrent server I thought this would be a good > time to ask. > > Is there interest in building a spin which is myopically focused on > the art designer? > Is the desktop oriented livecd good enough.. or is there room for a > yet more focused spin > for the designer usage case? And if so, can it be done inside the > existing Fedora repository space without reaching for external bits? > > > -jef"Fedora spins are the new drug... and I want to be the new drug > pusher hanging out in the neighborhood playground, or library, or > coffe eshop, or where ever."spaleta > Hi Jeff! This seems to be similar to what Ubuntu Studio [1] is doing, Nice to have more alternatives, even though I guess it's still a bit of a niche market. For a graphics designer GIMP, Inkscape and Scribus are the killer apps, so make sure to include those! Perhaps some nice web-devel tools would be nice as well, like NVU (is that still alive?) and Firefox with firebug installed by default. One thing that would probably be cool to put on a cd is a collection of good, free fonts (open font license, public domain stuff or whatever) that a designer can use right out of the box. - Andreas 1. http://ubuntustudio.org/ From rdieter at math.unl.edu Fri Sep 7 16:36:41 2007 From: rdieter at math.unl.edu (Rex Dieter) Date: Fri, 07 Sep 2007 11:36:41 -0500 Subject: Art Studio Spin? References: <604aa7910709061425q7adddce1i1baffcd06b71c0f0@mail.gmail.com> <46E0E993.8020806@nicubunu.ro> Message-ID: Nicu Buculei wrote: > - there are a few art applications using QT which may be useful: Scribus > and Krita (I don't know if Krita can be installed without the rest of > KOffice, fwiw, yes, yum install koffice-krita -- Rex From jspaleta at gmail.com Fri Sep 7 17:09:14 2007 From: jspaleta at gmail.com (Jeff Spaleta) Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2007 09:09:14 -0800 Subject: Art Studio Spin? In-Reply-To: <46E15216.4030503@nicubunu.ro> References: <604aa7910709061425q7adddce1i1baffcd06b71c0f0@mail.gmail.com> <46E14B47.3040404@silverorange.com> <46E15216.4030503@nicubunu.ro> Message-ID: <604aa7910709071009u1f966747xb169f2e5635b526b@mail.gmail.com> On 9/7/07, Nicu Buculei wrote: > Sure, but those are Live CDs, so nothing is easily installable on them, Live images (CD,DVD,USB key whatever makes sense) to hand out, which can be installed to the harddrive via a desktop icon. Let me refine the question a little bit. My interest in this conversation is mainly from a promotional and user/contributor outreach point of view. Would it be worthwhile to create an art studio oriented spin as a way to attract interest to open tools from a segment of the population that could make use of the tools? I'm asking on the art list because i think the people who contribute to Fedora through art creation would have a reasonable idea of the particulars..being in the trenches already. And no I'm not thinking about web development. I believe the development spin is trying to target that group. And its perfectly fine if the consensus answer is "not really needed/useful/desired" -jef From duffy at redhat.com Mon Sep 10 00:55:04 2007 From: duffy at redhat.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?M=E1ir=ED=ADn_Duffy?=) Date: Sun, 09 Sep 2007 20:55:04 -0400 Subject: Art Studio Spin? In-Reply-To: <604aa7910709061425q7adddce1i1baffcd06b71c0f0@mail.gmail.com> References: <604aa7910709061425q7adddce1i1baffcd06b71c0f0@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <46E495E8.9020408@redhat.com> Jeff Spaleta wrote: > Is there interest in building a spin which is myopically focused on > the art designer? > Is the desktop oriented livecd good enough.. or is there room for a > yet more focused spin > for the designer usage case? And if so, can it be done inside the > existing Fedora repository space without reaching for external bits? So I did a bit of work around this, this weekend. And, yeah, I think there are a lot of value-add bits like fonts and brushes and the like that would make it really awesome. Essential? Necessary? No, but... I'd be interested in making a spin that is basically a dream Fedora for me :) * Here's some of the general planning stuff I did in general about the spin: http://mihmo.livejournal.com/45531.html More specifically, here's the wiki page where I started writing down some plans: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/ArtTeamProjects/FedoraArtStudio What's done thus far: * Some (quite messy) notes towards a package manifeset: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/ArtTeamProjects/FedoraArtStudio/PackageManifest * I looked for potential fonts we could include. There are LOTS. Some are pretty neat. Most are not already in Fedora so we'd have to get them packaged up: http://mihmo.livejournal.com/45152.html * Michael and I looked through a bunch of clip art from openclipart.org and picked out some we thought might be good to include (feel free to pull stuff out you don't think is good enough or push stuff in you think is great for inclusion): http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/ArtTeamProjects/FedoraArtStudio/Clipart * I went through a ton of Gimp and Photoshop (easily converted to gbr) brushes looking for Creative Commons Attribution and Attribution Share Alike brushes. The full list of what I found thus far is here: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/ArtTeamProjects/FedoraArtStudio/Brushes (One worry - if a brush is sharealike, and i create an awesome piece of art with it, does that awesome piece of art have to be sharealike? If so, if we include sharealike brushes - folks using Fedora Art Studio have to know which are which so they know how to license their derivative works??? Or does a brush not count unless you make derivative brushes off of it?) * Got a small start at finding some CC-licensed textures: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/ArtTeamProjects/FedoraArtStudio/PatternsTextures Feel free to jump in on any of this if it piques your interest! ~m From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Mon Sep 10 06:32:18 2007 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2007 09:32:18 +0300 Subject: Art Studio Spin? In-Reply-To: <46E495E8.9020408@redhat.com> References: <604aa7910709061425q7adddce1i1baffcd06b71c0f0@mail.gmail.com> <46E495E8.9020408@redhat.com> Message-ID: <46E4E4F2.5050308@nicubunu.ro> M?ir??n Duffy wrote: > > * Some (quite messy) notes towards a package manifeset: > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/ArtTeamProjects/FedoraArtStudio/PackageManifest Great. > * I looked for potential fonts we could include. There are LOTS. Some > are pretty neat. Most are not already in Fedora so we'd have to get them > packaged up: http://mihmo.livejournal.com/45152.html This font collection is wonderful. I think the spin should include as many fonts as possible. Do not look at their unicode coverage, the bulk of the fonts fill not be used for GUIs or documents, but for titles, banners and so. > * Michael and I looked through a bunch of clip art from openclipart.org > and picked out some we thought might be good to include (feel free to > pull stuff out you don't think is good enough or push stuff in you think > is great for inclusion): > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/ArtTeamProjects/FedoraArtStudio/Clipart I think here the most important thing is the inclusion criteria. IMO you should *not* select the best looking clipart images but instead the most useful, the purpose of clipart is not to look good by itself but to be an useful building block. > * I went through a ton of Gimp and Photoshop (easily converted to gbr) > brushes looking for Creative Commons Attribution and Attribution Share > Alike brushes. The full list of what I found thus far is here: > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/ArtTeamProjects/FedoraArtStudio/Brushes Note that Gimp 2.4 can use Adobe Photoshop V2 brushes (.abr) so conversion may not be needed. -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Mon Sep 10 06:56:25 2007 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2007 09:56:25 +0300 Subject: Art Studio Spin? In-Reply-To: <46E495E8.9020408@redhat.com> References: <604aa7910709061425q7adddce1i1baffcd06b71c0f0@mail.gmail.com> <46E495E8.9020408@redhat.com> Message-ID: <46E4EA99.7050406@nicubunu.ro> M?ir??n Duffy wrote: > > And, yeah, I think there are a lot of value-add bits like fonts and > brushes and the like that would make it really awesome. Essential? > Necessary? No, but... I'd be interested in making a spin that is > basically a dream Fedora for me :) I am not trying to rush you or something, but in the spirit of the "release early, release often" philosophy I advice you to not wait until your dream is full, instead set a close date and put out *something*, even if it is only the Desktop spin with a couple of new packages added (and a few other removed), this will help spread the word and get new contributors. -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Mon Sep 10 07:17:57 2007 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2007 12:47:57 +0530 Subject: Art Studio Spin? In-Reply-To: <46E4EA99.7050406@nicubunu.ro> References: <604aa7910709061425q7adddce1i1baffcd06b71c0f0@mail.gmail.com> <46E495E8.9020408@redhat.com> <46E4EA99.7050406@nicubunu.ro> Message-ID: <46E4EFA5.2050107@fedoraproject.org> Nicu Buculei wrote: > M?ir??n Duffy wrote: >> >> And, yeah, I think there are a lot of value-add bits like fonts and >> brushes and the like that would make it really awesome. Essential? >> Necessary? No, but... I'd be interested in making a spin that is >> basically a dream Fedora for me :) > > I am not trying to rush you or something, but in the spirit of the > "release early, release often" philosophy I advice you to not wait until > your dream is full, instead set a close date and put out *something*, > even if it is only the Desktop spin with a couple of new packages added > (and a few other removed), this will help spread the word and get new > contributors. An relatively easy way to do this is to send a kickstart file to rel-eng so that they do a release of the spin with the periodical rawhide images or test releases. You might also want to post to advisory board list for a getting a discussion ongoing and approval to do this spin as part of the Fedora 8 release. We already have a electronics lab, devel and desktop spin coming up. Hopefully art studio and maybe a games spin would be ready too. Would be nice to get a assorted set of spins this way. Rahul From poelstra at redhat.com Mon Sep 10 20:09:20 2007 From: poelstra at redhat.com (John Poelstra) Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2007 13:09:20 -0700 Subject: Like the look of F8T2 Message-ID: <46E5A470.8010509@redhat.com> Great job to the people who worked on and updated the splash screens and icons in F8T2. I think they look nice! Will there be corresponding gdm login screen and backgrounds to replace the balloons? Thanks again, John From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Tue Sep 11 02:37:37 2007 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 08:07:37 +0530 Subject: Like the look of F8T2 In-Reply-To: <46E5A470.8010509@redhat.com> References: <46E5A470.8010509@redhat.com> Message-ID: <46E5FF71.1030107@fedoraproject.org> John Poelstra wrote: > > Great job to the people who worked on and updated the splash screens and > icons in F8T2. I think they look nice! Will there be corresponding gdm > login screen and backgrounds to replace the balloons? Yes. See http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/F8Themes/Infinity/Round3Final Rahul From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Tue Sep 11 05:53:58 2007 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 08:53:58 +0300 Subject: Like the look of F8T2 In-Reply-To: <46E5FF71.1030107@fedoraproject.org> References: <46E5A470.8010509@redhat.com> <46E5FF71.1030107@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <46E62D76.6090805@nicubunu.ro> Rahul Sundaram wrote: > John Poelstra wrote: >> >> Great job to the people who worked on and updated the splash screens >> and icons in F8T2. I think they look nice! Will there be >> corresponding gdm login screen and backgrounds to replace the balloons? > > Yes. See > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/F8Themes/Infinity/Round3Final In fact John asked about *gdm*, which is not covered by that wiki page, but the answer is also "yes", we currently have a mockup for a new gdm [1], but if that will not be implemented, the fall-back solution is to use the current screen with an Infinity background (which is good enough) [1] - https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-art-list/2007-August/msg00250.html -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From jonathan.roberts.uk at googlemail.com Tue Sep 11 10:25:27 2007 From: jonathan.roberts.uk at googlemail.com (Jonathan Roberts) Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 11:25:27 +0100 Subject: Icon howto? Message-ID: <3263b11b0709110325s60a6385axbc8e00378e898a09@mail.gmail.com> > I think people would get a better idea about them from a screenshot of a > real desktop using the icons. (I expect they will not loot that great on > *my* desktop, with a very dark background and a partly transparent What size icons are used in the system tray? I've made 16x16, 24x24 and 32x32 of some of my icons, which all look great in the previews, but then still don't look sharp in the system tray... Jon > > -- > nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com > Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ > Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org > my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list > From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Tue Sep 11 10:54:57 2007 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 13:54:57 +0300 Subject: Icon howto? In-Reply-To: <3263b11b0709110325s60a6385axbc8e00378e898a09@mail.gmail.com> References: <3263b11b0709110325s60a6385axbc8e00378e898a09@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <46E67401.7090109@nicubunu.ro> Jonathan Roberts wrote: >> I think people would get a better idea about them from a screenshot of a >> real desktop using the icons. (I expect they will not loot that great on >> *my* desktop, with a very dark background and a partly transparent > > What size icons are used in the system tray? I've made 16x16, 24x24 > and 32x32 of some of my icons, which all look great in the previews, > but then still don't look sharp in the system tray... I believe they are 22x22 by default but will scale with the panel size. -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From nnovica at gmail.com Tue Sep 11 18:53:00 2007 From: nnovica at gmail.com (Novica Nakov) Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 20:53:00 +0200 Subject: Fwd: Software freedom day 2007 poster In-Reply-To: <9957c3710709111151n783a240fq304df67fe57c9706@mail.gmail.com> References: <9957c3710709111151n783a240fq304df67fe57c9706@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <9957c3710709111153n6ecbc943p13e3676d174e0ed@mail.gmail.com> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Novica Nakov Date: Sep 11, 2007 8:51 PM Subject: Fwd: Software freedom day 2007 poster To: duffy at redhat.com Hi, Here are the two files the local company wants to become posters. Basicly it's just fedora logos and slogans on a B1 sheet. 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Don't be anyone else" -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: fedora-macedonia.png Type: image/png Size: 236546 bytes Desc: not available URL: From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Wed Sep 12 12:08:36 2007 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 15:08:36 +0300 Subject: Software freedom day 2007 poster In-Reply-To: <27a6293b0709120148l754ed0aei16ff09f76edd0c56@mail.gmail.com> References: <9957c3710709111151n783a240fq304df67fe57c9706@mail.gmail.com> <9957c3710709111153n6ecbc943p13e3676d174e0ed@mail.gmail.com> <27a6293b0709120148l754ed0aei16ff09f76edd0c56@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <46E7D6C4.3000801@nicubunu.ro> Mar?a Leandro wrote: > like this? Is not clear to me if Novica asked for a large resolution image (print quality) or just for permission to use the logo > 2007/9/11, Novica Nakov >: > > Hi, > > Here are the two files the local company wants to become posters. > Basicly it's just fedora logos and slogans on a B1 sheet. > The birdy thing on the firs is our logo (free software macedonia). > > Novica -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From duffy at redhat.com Wed Sep 12 13:58:46 2007 From: duffy at redhat.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?M=E1ir=EDn_Duffy?=) Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 09:58:46 -0400 Subject: Fedora 8 Buildup In-Reply-To: <3263b11b0709120641y6b07011fva31755b0ee278d87@mail.gmail.com> References: <3263b11b0709120641y6b07011fva31755b0ee278d87@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <46E7F096.1070906@redhat.com> Hi Jonathan, Jonathan Roberts wrote: > As I mentioned in the earlier thread, I'm going to try and put > together a series of pieces about Fedora 8's features. > > As far as the plan goes for now, I intend to do e-mail interviews with > the developers behind each of the features, and where applicable do a > "preview" of it with either screencasts or screenshots. > > I'm working through > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/8/FeatureList > > sending e-mails to the feature owners and asking them if they'd like > to take part. So far I've done the first three and they've all agreed. > Once they've agreed I'm writing questions and sending them along as a > text file for them to fill their answers in. I'm aware as well that it > will be good to get in touch with art/trans/docs as well and get their > input at some point along the line. > > Any feed back on this plan? Where will be the best place to put these > online - a page on the wiki perhaps? > > Also, if anyone wants to help me out immediately, the BuildID feature > is pretty technical and if I ask the questions I'm going to struggle > to make them interesting or relevant! Any takers to write 5/6 > questions Re: this feature? Hey thanks for taking this task on - I think it'll be great material to correspond with Fedora 8's release. We are now actually just starting to discuss the design of marketing materials on the Fedora art list. If there's anything we can do to help with the look/feel/graphics/design for your series do let us know! One idea we had was to put together a 'press kit' for F8's release that we could send out to Ambassadors representing Fedora at events, and it seems like your series might fit well into that if you were interested. ~m From jonathan.roberts.uk at googlemail.com Wed Sep 12 14:08:21 2007 From: jonathan.roberts.uk at googlemail.com (Jonathan Roberts) Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 15:08:21 +0100 Subject: Fedora 8 Buildup In-Reply-To: <46E7F096.1070906@redhat.com> References: <3263b11b0709120641y6b07011fva31755b0ee278d87@mail.gmail.com> <46E7F096.1070906@redhat.com> Message-ID: <3263b11b0709120708t22937185h591b4e8f95223ea@mail.gmail.com> > Hey thanks for taking this task on - I think it'll be great material to > correspond with Fedora 8's release. Haha...*crosses fingers* > > We are now actually just starting to discuss the design of marketing > materials on the Fedora art list. If there's anything we can do to help > with the look/feel/graphics/design for your series do let us know! Oh that would be cool...Though I'm not sure what kind of Artwork would be best; perhaps you have some ideas? It's a great point though, stuff I've worked on in the past has always been so much better for good artwork :D >One > idea we had was to put together a 'press kit' for F8's release that we > could send out to Ambassadors representing Fedora at events, and it > seems like your series might fit well into that if you were interested. Definitely! We were going to do weekly, or perhaps even bi-weekly (see how we go, time etc), releases to build anticipation but they could be put together at the end as part of the "press kit"... Seeing as this is going to the art-list I may as well ask these questions too: * anyone interested in answering some questions about the new default artwork? * "" Nodoka theme engine? * "" Fedora art spin? Best wishes all, Jon From duffy at redhat.com Wed Sep 12 14:09:56 2007 From: duffy at redhat.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?M=E1ir=EDn_Duffy?=) Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 10:09:56 -0400 Subject: Fedora 8 Buildup In-Reply-To: <3263b11b0709120708t22937185h591b4e8f95223ea@mail.gmail.com> References: <3263b11b0709120641y6b07011fva31755b0ee278d87@mail.gmail.com> <46E7F096.1070906@redhat.com> <3263b11b0709120708t22937185h591b4e8f95223ea@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <46E7F334.6040502@redhat.com> Jonathan Roberts wrote: > * anyone interested in answering some questions about the new default artwork? > * "" Fedora art spin? I would be willing to talk to you about this! Unfortunately it probably won't be ready for F8's release, but would be released hopefully not too long after. ~m From jonathan.roberts.uk at googlemail.com Wed Sep 12 14:14:54 2007 From: jonathan.roberts.uk at googlemail.com (Jonathan Roberts) Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 15:14:54 +0100 Subject: Fedora 8 Buildup In-Reply-To: <46E7F334.6040502@redhat.com> References: <3263b11b0709120641y6b07011fva31755b0ee278d87@mail.gmail.com> <46E7F096.1070906@redhat.com> <3263b11b0709120708t22937185h591b4e8f95223ea@mail.gmail.com> <46E7F334.6040502@redhat.com> Message-ID: <3263b11b0709120714q4e3dd985x43ecaaf298eae8cc@mail.gmail.com> > > * anyone interested in answering some questions about the new default artwork? > > > * "" Fedora art spin? > > I would be willing to talk to you about this! Unfortunately it probably > won't be ready for F8's release, but would be released hopefully not too > long after. Did that acceptance include the default artwork as well? Sorry sometimes I can be a bit slow! Let me know which and I'll drop you some questions later on today about it... Cheers! Jon From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Wed Sep 12 14:36:15 2007 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 17:36:15 +0300 Subject: Fedora 8 Buildup In-Reply-To: <46E7F334.6040502@redhat.com> References: <3263b11b0709120641y6b07011fva31755b0ee278d87@mail.gmail.com> <46E7F096.1070906@redhat.com> <3263b11b0709120708t22937185h591b4e8f95223ea@mail.gmail.com> <46E7F334.6040502@redhat.com> Message-ID: <46E7F95F.3070301@nicubunu.ro> M?ir?n Duffy wrote: > Jonathan Roberts wrote: >> * anyone interested in answering some questions about the new default >> artwork? Earlier today (when Jonathan started the thread about interviews) I got the idea about a larger interview with the Art Team: a few questions for Mairin about the desktop theme, a few questions for Martin about Nodoka, again a few questions for Mairin about the Art spin, maybe one or two questions for me if I have about what to talk, maybe also something from Luya about Echo... >> * "" Fedora art spin? > > I would be willing to talk to you about this! Unfortunately it probably > won't be ready for F8's release, but would be released hopefully not too > long after. I will look at the desktop spin in F8T2, sure we can make something quickly based on it and call Art Studio, just add Blender and Agave and remove something if needed. With such small steps I am sure we can have a preliminary Art Spin for the F8 release, call it Art Studio v0.08 -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From jspaleta at gmail.com Wed Sep 12 16:39:29 2007 From: jspaleta at gmail.com (Jeff Spaleta) Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 08:39:29 -0800 Subject: Fedora 8 Buildup In-Reply-To: <3263b11b0709120708t22937185h591b4e8f95223ea@mail.gmail.com> References: <3263b11b0709120641y6b07011fva31755b0ee278d87@mail.gmail.com> <46E7F096.1070906@redhat.com> <3263b11b0709120708t22937185h591b4e8f95223ea@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <604aa7910709120939o373ad79dhdca235cca28079e1@mail.gmail.com> On 9/12/07, Jonathan Roberts wrote: > * "" Fedora art spin? This is at best currently an experimental idea, and shouldn't be promoted as part of F8 build up as a deliverable. If you do talk about it at all, you should mention it in passing and call it an experimental "Fedora derived" spin, following-up on the success of the Fedora Electronics Lab, Desktop and Developer spins that are being produced in the Fedora development build process now (so I'm told). When you talk about spins focus as much of the discussion on the spins which are being generated as part of the development tree now, double-check and make sure they actually exist :->. You need to say "Fedora derived" because the first few iterations of the Art spin will most likely contain additional materials not found in the Fedora repository. That's absolutely okay, that's what the spin tools allow people to do...but such spins don't automatically get to use the Fedora name and logos. If in the fullness of time, the additional materials like fonts or brushes or gimp plugins that appear in experimental Art spins get included in the official Fedora repository, then it can use the name Fedora explicitly. -jef From jonathan.roberts.uk at googlemail.com Wed Sep 12 18:06:26 2007 From: jonathan.roberts.uk at googlemail.com (Jonathan Roberts) Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 19:06:26 +0100 Subject: Fedora 8 Buildup In-Reply-To: <46E7F95F.3070301@nicubunu.ro> References: <3263b11b0709120641y6b07011fva31755b0ee278d87@mail.gmail.com> <46E7F096.1070906@redhat.com> <3263b11b0709120708t22937185h591b4e8f95223ea@mail.gmail.com> <46E7F334.6040502@redhat.com> <46E7F95F.3070301@nicubunu.ro> Message-ID: <3263b11b0709121106y7003e559nf64336de90462b05@mail.gmail.com> > Earlier today (when Jonathan started the thread about interviews) I got > the idea about a larger interview with the Art Team: a few questions for > Mairin about the desktop theme, a few questions for Martin about Nodoka, > again a few questions for Mairin about the Art spin, maybe one or two > questions for me if I have about what to talk, maybe also something from > Luya about Echo... I like this approach :D Do one spot on the "Art Team" as a whole. Perhaps if you could all organise between yourselves who's to answer which subjects, and then I can send out questions as appropriate? Jon From jonathan.roberts.uk at googlemail.com Wed Sep 12 18:07:06 2007 From: jonathan.roberts.uk at googlemail.com (Jonathan Roberts) Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 19:07:06 +0100 Subject: Fedora 8 Buildup In-Reply-To: <604aa7910709120939o373ad79dhdca235cca28079e1@mail.gmail.com> References: <3263b11b0709120641y6b07011fva31755b0ee278d87@mail.gmail.com> <46E7F096.1070906@redhat.com> <3263b11b0709120708t22937185h591b4e8f95223ea@mail.gmail.com> <604aa7910709120939o373ad79dhdca235cca28079e1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <3263b11b0709121107y53fcdc64j1f8eb4f89112ef28@mail.gmail.com> > This is at best currently an experimental idea, and shouldn't be > promoted as part of F8 build up as a deliverable. If you do talk about > it at all, you should mention it in passing and call it an > experimental "Fedora derived" spin, following-up on the success of the > Fedora Electronics Lab, Desktop and Developer spins that are being > produced in the Fedora development build process now (so I'm told). > When you talk about spins focus as much of the discussion on the spins > which are being generated as part of the development tree now, > double-check and make sure they actually exist :->. Oh OK - I'll keep this in mind as I'm putting things together :D Thanks for the heads up... Jon From duffy at redhat.com Wed Sep 12 21:50:14 2007 From: duffy at redhat.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?M=E1ir=EDn_Duffy?=) Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 17:50:14 -0400 Subject: Art Studio Strategy (was Re: Art Studio Spin?) In-Reply-To: <604aa7910709061425q7adddce1i1baffcd06b71c0f0@mail.gmail.com> References: <604aa7910709061425q7adddce1i1baffcd06b71c0f0@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <46E85F16.6090702@redhat.com> Question: - Should we try to get something out as quickly as possible? Our first version will built strictly from components already in Fedora? If we took this approach would it be too late to make the F8 launch? (I imagine not?) - Should we try to make it as polished as possible and not make an Art Studio release until we get some of the bits we want into Fedora (eg fonts, content packages for gimp, etc.) Thoughts? ~m From jspaleta at gmail.com Wed Sep 12 21:59:41 2007 From: jspaleta at gmail.com (Jeff Spaleta) Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 13:59:41 -0800 Subject: Art Studio Strategy (was Re: Art Studio Spin?) In-Reply-To: <46E85F16.6090702@redhat.com> References: <604aa7910709061425q7adddce1i1baffcd06b71c0f0@mail.gmail.com> <46E85F16.6090702@redhat.com> Message-ID: <604aa7910709121459q4d1412c7y99795e69e3e76922@mail.gmail.com> On 9/12/07, M?ir?n Duffy wrote: > Question: > > - Should we try to get something out as quickly as possible? Our first > version will built strictly from components already in Fedora? If we > took this approach would it be too late to make the F8 launch? (I > imagine not?) You are too late Test2 was the cut for major feature items. I think you'd get some significant pushback from rel-eng if we wanted to add another ks target to build as part of development now. -jef From duffy at redhat.com Thu Sep 13 04:00:05 2007 From: duffy at redhat.com (=?UTF-8?B?TcOhaXLDrW4gRHVmZnk=?=) Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 00:00:05 -0400 Subject: F8 graphics for marketing In-Reply-To: <46E7F6AA.7000304@nicubunu.ro> References: <46E7C2A7.2090707@nicubunu.ro> <46E7ED92.4020607@redhat.com> <46E7F396.30703@nicubunu.ro> <46E7F50A.3000302@redhat.com> <46E7F6AA.7000304@nicubunu.ro> Message-ID: <46E8B5C5.2010504@redhat.com> Nicu Buculei wrote: > M?ir?n Duffy wrote: >> Nicu Buculei wrote: >>> Well, I tried mostly to bait the people here in an useful discussion >>> to get a single slogan for F8 (not a hundred as before) and maybe a >>> concrete list with what graphics are needed. >> >> We had a thread on marketing-list a while back about it... I'll go >> back through it and aggregate all the suggestions and post them in >> this thread... I remember there were a couple I really thought fit the >> theme. > > I know that thread, it ended with no conclusion. Well, let's pick one right now and conclude it. :) Here's the aggregation I promised, I starred the ones I think have the most potential: Slogan Ideas: **-"Fedora, an operating system with a limitless power." - "Freedom; Simplicity; Technology Edge. Fedora. Your operating system." - "Freedom, Simplicity, Collaboration, Ready for the Future. Fedora. Your operating system." - "The future of the operating systems is here. Fedora. My choice." - "Fedora. The operating system I can call 'mine'." - "Fedora: my choice." **- "Fedora: Infinite Boundaries" **- "F8: Unleash your infinite potential" **- "Infinite Potential" - "Fedora, The Open Source Freedom, For open Free Minds." - "Freedom of Choice." - Infinite Freedom -Diverse Free Voice -Your Voice, Your Future -The Future Is Now **-Infinite Possibilities -Logical System, Logical Future -Voice - Infinity - Future -Beautiful is useful Looking through these I'm seeing a bit of a pattern. We could just do two words... adjective + noun. The adjectives could be: - Infinite - Limitless - Boundless - Unlimited The nouns could be: - Power - Potential - Boundaries - Possibilities Let me tell you what I think we should use based on all of this: "Fedora. Infinite Possibilities." "Possibilities" I think is the best noun. "Power" has too much emphasis on what you can do technically - a "powerful" piece of software is not necessarily an easily to use or well-designed piece of software and because we ship GNOME by default I think "power" is a bit of a clash there. So scratch that. "Boundaries" kind of focuses on the negative - a boundary is a barrier - we want to focus on more the positive, amazing things we do and will continue to accomplish, so scratch "boundaries." "Potential" makes me think of the phrase "never lived up to their potential"... it seems to have a connotation to me about what could have been but wasn't. Possibilities, though, seems future and forward- looking - thinking about good things that will happen. "Boundless" again focuses on a barrier, negative, so scratch that. Same with "Unlimited" and "limitless" it focuses on limitations. "Infinity" is really the only word that doesn't present a negative, and it's also the official word in the official overall slogan of Fedora: "Infinity. Freedom. Voice." That gives it another plus. So! How does: "Fedora. Infinite Possibilities." sound? ~m From tw2113 at gmail.com Thu Sep 13 04:34:32 2007 From: tw2113 at gmail.com (Michael Beckwith) Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 23:34:32 -0500 Subject: F8 graphics for marketing In-Reply-To: <46E8B5C5.2010504@redhat.com> References: <46E7C2A7.2090707@nicubunu.ro> <46E7ED92.4020607@redhat.com> <46E7F396.30703@nicubunu.ro> <46E7F50A.3000302@redhat.com> <46E7F6AA.7000304@nicubunu.ro> <46E8B5C5.2010504@redhat.com> Message-ID: <9b437e950709122134i7b6b4d42qf5663b9acd99903d@mail.gmail.com> just one quick one that i can think of that will risk negative connotations but i think works well. "Fedora: pushing the walls into infinity" Yes it puts "walls" up, but we're pushing them outwards, making new boundaries further out each time. As much as M?ir?n doesn't prefer, there are some boundaries with each release. Those boundaries are the technologies of the time. In the future, the technology and capabilities will be greater, and when we reach that time, we'll keep forging ahead. Just my $.02 On 9/12/07, M?ir?n Duffy wrote: > > Nicu Buculei wrote: > > M?ir?n Duffy wrote: > >> Nicu Buculei wrote: > >>> Well, I tried mostly to bait the people here in an useful discussion > >>> to get a single slogan for F8 (not a hundred as before) and maybe a > >>> concrete list with what graphics are needed. > >> > >> We had a thread on marketing-list a while back about it... I'll go > >> back through it and aggregate all the suggestions and post them in > >> this thread... I remember there were a couple I really thought fit the > >> theme. > > > > I know that thread, it ended with no conclusion. > > Well, let's pick one right now and conclude it. :) Here's the > aggregation I promised, I starred the ones I think have the most > potential: > > Slogan Ideas: > > **-"Fedora, an operating system with a limitless power." > - "Freedom; Simplicity; Technology Edge. Fedora. Your operating system." > - "Freedom, Simplicity, Collaboration, Ready for the Future. Fedora. > Your operating system." > - "The future of the operating systems is here. Fedora. My choice." > - "Fedora. The operating system I can call 'mine'." > - "Fedora: my choice." > **- "Fedora: Infinite Boundaries" > **- "F8: Unleash your infinite potential" > **- "Infinite Potential" > - "Fedora, The Open Source Freedom, For open Free Minds." > - "Freedom of Choice." > - Infinite Freedom > -Diverse Free Voice > -Your Voice, Your Future > -The Future Is Now > **-Infinite Possibilities > -Logical System, Logical Future > -Voice - Infinity - Future > -Beautiful is useful > > Looking through these I'm seeing a bit of a pattern. We could just do > two words... adjective + noun. > > The adjectives could be: > - Infinite > - Limitless > - Boundless > - Unlimited > > The nouns could be: > - Power > - Potential > - Boundaries > - Possibilities > > Let me tell you what I think we should use based on all of this: > > "Fedora. Infinite Possibilities." > > "Possibilities" I think is the best noun. "Power" has too much emphasis > on what you can do technically - a "powerful" piece of software is not > necessarily an easily to use or well-designed piece of software and > because we ship GNOME by default I think "power" is a bit of a clash > there. So scratch that. "Boundaries" kind of focuses on the negative - a > boundary is a barrier - we want to focus on more the positive, amazing > things we do and will continue to accomplish, so scratch "boundaries." > "Potential" makes me think of the phrase "never lived up to their > potential"... it seems to have a connotation to me about what could have > been but wasn't. Possibilities, though, seems future and forward- > looking - thinking about good things that will happen. > > "Boundless" again focuses on a barrier, negative, so scratch that. Same > with "Unlimited" and "limitless" it focuses on limitations. "Infinity" > is really the only word that doesn't present a negative, and it's also > the official word in the official overall slogan of Fedora: "Infinity. > Freedom. Voice." That gives it another plus. > > So! How does: "Fedora. Infinite Possibilities." sound? > > ~m > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list > -- ~Michael http://ridleytx.structed.net (for now) http://www.michaelbox.net (eventually) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nnovica at gmail.com Wed Sep 12 22:09:18 2007 From: nnovica at gmail.com (Novica Nakov) Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 00:09:18 +0200 Subject: Software freedom day 2007 poster In-Reply-To: <46E7D6C4.3000801@nicubunu.ro> References: <9957c3710709111151n783a240fq304df67fe57c9706@mail.gmail.com> <9957c3710709111153n6ecbc943p13e3676d174e0ed@mail.gmail.com> <27a6293b0709120148l754ed0aei16ff09f76edd0c56@mail.gmail.com> <46E7D6C4.3000801@nicubunu.ro> Message-ID: <9957c3710709121509l5f0560a1l6837e461bc5a9981@mail.gmail.com> Hi all, Thanks for all the input about the posters. Jiri thanks for the poster. Duffy and tw2113 thanks for all the help on irc. I think that the fedora art community is the friendliest and most helpful I've contacted in the free software world. I've sent the posters to the people deciding whether and how much to print. We'll see what happens. Again, thanks for all the help. Novica From gdk at redhat.com Thu Sep 13 03:53:42 2007 From: gdk at redhat.com (Greg Dekoenigsberg) Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 23:53:42 -0400 (EDT) Subject: F8 graphics for marketing In-Reply-To: <46E8B5C5.2010504@redhat.com> References: <46E7C2A7.2090707@nicubunu.ro> <46E7ED92.4020607@redhat.com> <46E7F396.30703@nicubunu.ro> <46E7F50A.3000302@redhat.com> <46E7F6AA.7000304@nicubunu.ro> <46E8B5C5.2010504@redhat.com> Message-ID: I like it. Infinite Possibilities. Or: Infinite Possibility. --g On Thu, 13 Sep 2007, M?ir?n Duffy wrote: > Nicu Buculei wrote: >> M?ir?n Duffy wrote: >>> Nicu Buculei wrote: >>>> Well, I tried mostly to bait the people here in an useful discussion to >>>> get a single slogan for F8 (not a hundred as before) and maybe a concrete >>>> list with what graphics are needed. >>> >>> We had a thread on marketing-list a while back about it... I'll go back >>> through it and aggregate all the suggestions and post them in this >>> thread... I remember there were a couple I really thought fit the theme. >> >> I know that thread, it ended with no conclusion. > > Well, let's pick one right now and conclude it. :) Here's the aggregation I > promised, I starred the ones I think have the most potential: > > Slogan Ideas: > > **-"Fedora, an operating system with a limitless power." > - "Freedom; Simplicity; Technology Edge. Fedora. Your operating system." > - "Freedom, Simplicity, Collaboration, Ready for the Future. Fedora. Your > operating system." > - "The future of the operating systems is here. Fedora. My choice." > - "Fedora. The operating system I can call 'mine'." > - "Fedora: my choice." > **- "Fedora: Infinite Boundaries" > **- "F8: Unleash your infinite potential" > **- "Infinite Potential" > - "Fedora, The Open Source Freedom, For open Free Minds." > - "Freedom of Choice." > - Infinite Freedom > -Diverse Free Voice > -Your Voice, Your Future > -The Future Is Now > **-Infinite Possibilities > -Logical System, Logical Future > -Voice - Infinity - Future > -Beautiful is useful > > Looking through these I'm seeing a bit of a pattern. We could just do two > words... adjective + noun. > > The adjectives could be: > - Infinite > - Limitless > - Boundless > - Unlimited > > The nouns could be: > - Power > - Potential > - Boundaries > - Possibilities > > Let me tell you what I think we should use based on all of this: > > "Fedora. Infinite Possibilities." > > "Possibilities" I think is the best noun. "Power" has too much emphasis on > what you can do technically - a "powerful" piece of software is not > necessarily an easily to use or well-designed piece of software and because > we ship GNOME by default I think "power" is a bit of a clash there. So > scratch that. "Boundaries" kind of focuses on the negative - a boundary is a > barrier - we want to focus on more the positive, amazing things we do and > will continue to accomplish, so scratch "boundaries." "Potential" makes me > think of the phrase "never lived up to their potential"... it seems to have a > connotation to me about what could have been but wasn't. Possibilities, > though, seems future and forward- looking - thinking about good things that > will happen. > > "Boundless" again focuses on a barrier, negative, so scratch that. Same with > "Unlimited" and "limitless" it focuses on limitations. "Infinity" is really > the only word that doesn't present a negative, and it's also the official > word in the official overall slogan of Fedora: "Infinity. Freedom. Voice." > That gives it another plus. > > So! How does: "Fedora. Infinite Possibilities." sound? > > ~m > > -- Greg DeKoenigsberg Community Development Manager Red Hat, Inc. :: 1-919-754-4255 "To whomsoever much hath been given... ...from him much shall be asked" From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Thu Sep 13 05:38:24 2007 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 08:38:24 +0300 Subject: Art Studio Strategy (was Re: Art Studio Spin?) In-Reply-To: <604aa7910709121459q4d1412c7y99795e69e3e76922@mail.gmail.com> References: <604aa7910709061425q7adddce1i1baffcd06b71c0f0@mail.gmail.com> <46E85F16.6090702@redhat.com> <604aa7910709121459q4d1412c7y99795e69e3e76922@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <46E8CCD0.80600@nicubunu.ro> Jeff Spaleta wrote: > On 9/12/07, M?ir?n Duffy wrote: >> Question: >> >> - Should we try to get something out as quickly as possible? Our first >> version will built strictly from components already in Fedora? If we >> took this approach would it be too late to make the F8 launch? (I >> imagine not?) I think my opinion ("yes") is already known. > You are too late Test2 was the cut for major feature items. I think > you'd get some significant pushback from rel-eng if we wanted to add > another ks target to build as part of development now. But if we do a spin only with components already in Fedora this will not bring any new feature. How about a F8 Art Studio with only components already in Fedora and a F9 Art Studio with *tons* of added goodies (fonts, photos, clipart, etc.) -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Thu Sep 13 05:47:55 2007 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 08:47:55 +0300 Subject: Fedora 8 Buildup In-Reply-To: <3263b11b0709121106y7003e559nf64336de90462b05@mail.gmail.com> References: <3263b11b0709120641y6b07011fva31755b0ee278d87@mail.gmail.com> <46E7F096.1070906@redhat.com> <3263b11b0709120708t22937185h591b4e8f95223ea@mail.gmail.com> <46E7F334.6040502@redhat.com> <46E7F95F.3070301@nicubunu.ro> <3263b11b0709121106y7003e559nf64336de90462b05@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <46E8CF0B.1040604@nicubunu.ro> Jonathan Roberts wrote: >> Earlier today (when Jonathan started the thread about interviews) I got >> the idea about a larger interview with the Art Team: a few questions for >> Mairin about the desktop theme, a few questions for Martin about Nodoka, >> again a few questions for Mairin about the Art spin, maybe one or two >> questions for me if I have about what to talk, maybe also something from >> Luya about Echo... > > I like this approach :D Do one spot on the "Art Team" as a whole. > Perhaps if you could all organise between yourselves who's to answer > which subjects, and then I can send out questions as appropriate? I already put the names: Mairin made the graphics for "Infinity" and she is driving the initiative for Art Studio, Martin was one of the people behind Nodoka (along with Daniel Geiger) and even if it does not make the release (but is used in various places, like documentation), Luya is the most active contributor to Echo. There are also smaller things like the animated backgrounds, again made by Mairin and we still have to work on things: CD/DVD graphics, marketing materials and more. -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From nicolas.mailhot at laposte.net Thu Sep 13 06:42:41 2007 From: nicolas.mailhot at laposte.net (Nicolas Mailhot) Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 08:42:41 +0200 Subject: Art Studio Strategy (was Re: Art Studio Spin?) In-Reply-To: <46E8CCD0.80600@nicubunu.ro> References: <604aa7910709061425q7adddce1i1baffcd06b71c0f0@mail.gmail.com> <46E85F16.6090702@redhat.com> <604aa7910709121459q4d1412c7y99795e69e3e76922@mail.gmail.com> <46E8CCD0.80600@nicubunu.ro> Message-ID: <1189665761.9380.7.camel@rousalka.dyndns.org> Le jeudi 13 septembre 2007 ? 08:38 +0300, Nicu Buculei a ?crit : > How about a F8 Art Studio with only components already in Fedora and a > F9 Art Studio with *tons* of added goodies (fonts, photos, clipart, etc.) Please don't. Fedora is healthy because every interest group contributes to the package pool, instead of doing its own thing. Even olpc is being re-absorbed now. There is a lot of room for differentiation in installing Fedora stuff not included in the other livecds (but available in the repo), changing what's installed by default and what's not, etc -- Nicolas Mailhot -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Fedora is healthy because every interest group contributes > to the package pool, instead of doing its own thing. Even olpc is being > re-absorbed now. > > There is a lot of room for differentiation in installing Fedora stuff > not included in the other livecds (but available in the repo), changing > what's installed by default and what's not, etc The intention is to have those "goodies" available in the Fedora repositories, this is why I think F9 is a reasonable target for them. -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From martin.sourada at seznam.cz Thu Sep 13 08:22:46 2007 From: martin.sourada at seznam.cz (Martin Sourada) Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 10:22:46 +0200 Subject: Art Studio Strategy (was Re: Art Studio Spin?) In-Reply-To: <46E85F16.6090702@redhat.com> References: <604aa7910709061425q7adddce1i1baffcd06b71c0f0@mail.gmail.com> <46E85F16.6090702@redhat.com> Message-ID: <1189671766.11397.17.camel@pc-notebook> On Wed, 2007-09-12 at 23:50 +0200, M?ir?n Duffy wrote: > Question: > > - Should we try to get something out as quickly as possible? Our first > version will built strictly from components already in Fedora? If we > took this approach would it be too late to make the F8 launch? (I > imagine not?) > My opinion: not. I think its better to release late but high quality spin then early half made one. > - Should we try to make it as polished as possible and not make an Art > Studio release until we get some of the bits we want into Fedora (eg > fonts, content packages for gimp, etc.) > > Thoughts? > > ~m > I'd add the Art Studio Spin on F9 feature list and try to make first try available for F9 test 1. I do believe it is too late to make it F8 spin. 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Jonathan, I am willing to answer your questions to Nodoka. Maritn -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Thu Sep 13 09:40:34 2007 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 15:10:34 +0530 Subject: Art Studio Strategy (was Re: Art Studio Spin?) In-Reply-To: <1189671766.11397.17.camel@pc-notebook> References: <604aa7910709061425q7adddce1i1baffcd06b71c0f0@mail.gmail.com> <46E85F16.6090702@redhat.com> <1189671766.11397.17.camel@pc-notebook> Message-ID: <46E90592.9010704@fedoraproject.org> Martin Sourada wrote: > On Wed, 2007-09-12 at 23:50 +0200, M?ir?n Duffy wrote: >> Question: >> >> - Should we try to get something out as quickly as possible? Our first >> version will built strictly from components already in Fedora? If we >> took this approach would it be too late to make the F8 launch? (I >> imagine not?) >> > My opinion: not. I think its better to release late but high quality > spin then early half made one. That really depends on whether there is a lot more packages needed that are currently missing in Fedora and whether you message it as a experimental spin or a more complete one. I am of the opinion that we could get a early spin out by Fedora 8 and message it explicitly as a experimental spin with the intention to have a more complete spin by the next release or somewhere in between. Rahul From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Thu Sep 13 10:26:58 2007 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 13:26:58 +0300 Subject: Art Studio Strategy (was Re: Art Studio Spin?) In-Reply-To: <46E90592.9010704@fedoraproject.org> References: <604aa7910709061425q7adddce1i1baffcd06b71c0f0@mail.gmail.com> <46E85F16.6090702@redhat.com> <1189671766.11397.17.camel@pc-notebook> <46E90592.9010704@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <46E91072.9070404@nicubunu.ro> Rahul Sundaram wrote: > Martin Sourada wrote: >> My opinion: not. I think its better to release late but high quality >> spin then early half made one. > > That really depends on whether there is a lot more packages needed that > are currently missing in Fedora and whether you message it as a > experimental spin or a more complete one. The "missing" packages are mostly content: fonts, brushes, clipart. I don't think anyone named yet an application needed but not available yet in Fedora. > I am of the opinion that we could get a early spin out by Fedora 8 and > message it explicitly as a experimental spin with the intention to have > a more complete spin by the next release or somewhere in between. I have a feeling: if we just say and wait for F9T1, the momentum may be lost. -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Thu Sep 13 10:36:51 2007 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 16:06:51 +0530 Subject: Art Studio Strategy (was Re: Art Studio Spin?) In-Reply-To: <46E91072.9070404@nicubunu.ro> References: <604aa7910709061425q7adddce1i1baffcd06b71c0f0@mail.gmail.com> <46E85F16.6090702@redhat.com> <1189671766.11397.17.camel@pc-notebook> <46E90592.9010704@fedoraproject.org> <46E91072.9070404@nicubunu.ro> Message-ID: <46E912C3.4060501@fedoraproject.org> Nicu Buculei wrote: > The "missing" packages are mostly content: fonts, brushes, clipart. I > don't think anyone named yet an application needed but not available yet > in Fedora. If there are such packages, I am willing to help in packaging them. Rahul From camilo at mesias.co.uk Thu Sep 13 11:21:28 2007 From: camilo at mesias.co.uk (Camilo Mesias) Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 12:21:28 +0100 Subject: F8 graphics for marketing In-Reply-To: References: <46E7C2A7.2090707@nicubunu.ro> <46E7ED92.4020607@redhat.com> <46E7F396.30703@nicubunu.ro> <46E7F50A.3000302@redhat.com> <46E7F6AA.7000304@nicubunu.ro> <46E8B5C5.2010504@redhat.com> Message-ID: Regarding the use of "infinite" and "possibilities", it's worth noting that Fujitsu uses "The possibilities are infinite" as part of its global branding (that slogan is a trademark). In common with Fedora, the Fujitsu logo includes a motif which references infinity. I like the reference to freedom. The fedora infinity motif could also be interpreted as cyclical, sustainable or continuous. For me freedom is a very important feature distinguishing Fedora from other Linux distros. Another distinguishing feature is being technically as near to the leading edge as is possible. So some other suggestions: return to freedom continuous freedom freedom sustained freedom continuum etc. -Cam From bruno at postle.net Thu Sep 13 11:31:10 2007 From: bruno at postle.net (Bruno Postle) Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 12:31:10 +0100 Subject: Art Studio Strategy (was Re: Art Studio Spin?) In-Reply-To: <46E912C3.4060501@fedoraproject.org> References: <604aa7910709061425q7adddce1i1baffcd06b71c0f0@mail.gmail.com> <46E85F16.6090702@redhat.com> <1189671766.11397.17.camel@pc-notebook> <46E90592.9010704@fedoraproject.org> <46E91072.9070404@nicubunu.ro> <46E912C3.4060501@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <20070913113109.GT4137@postle.net> On Thu 13-Sep-2007 at 16:06 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > Nicu Buculei wrote: > >> The "missing" packages are mostly content: fonts, brushes, clipart. I >> don't think anyone named yet an application needed but not available yet >> in Fedora. > > If there are such packages, I am willing to help in packaging them. lprof has been on my list of things to submit, I even added the vigra library with this in mind, but I haven't found the time: http://lprof.sourceforge.net/ I also think it would be useful to assemble a list of 'must have' gimp plugins. For me this would start with these: greycstoration http://www.greyc.ensicaen.fr/~dtschump/greycstoration/ resynthesizer https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=250210 mathmap http://www.complang.tuwien.ac.at/schani/mathmap/ -- Bruno From jspaleta at gmail.com Thu Sep 13 17:35:18 2007 From: jspaleta at gmail.com (Jeff Spaleta) Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 09:35:18 -0800 Subject: Art Studio Strategy (was Re: Art Studio Spin?) In-Reply-To: <46E91072.9070404@nicubunu.ro> References: <604aa7910709061425q7adddce1i1baffcd06b71c0f0@mail.gmail.com> <46E85F16.6090702@redhat.com> <1189671766.11397.17.camel@pc-notebook> <46E90592.9010704@fedoraproject.org> <46E91072.9070404@nicubunu.ro> Message-ID: <604aa7910709131035t13a4ea9do8fa008260838ca56@mail.gmail.com> On 9/13/07, Nicu Buculei wrote: > I have a feeling: if we just say and wait for F9T1, the momentum may be > lost. Which is why i brought it up now. Multiple things can be worked on in parallel to make an F9 release of an official Art related spin a real possibility. The goal is clear: Get an official spin out for F9 release with everything you want on it in the repository. To get to that goal, I think its absolutely OKAY to use a local repository of packages not yet in Fedora to build experimental versions of the Art spin. Here's the reality, getting packages past review takes finite time. Waiting for packages to complete review may slow down the brainstorming and refinement process of what the Art spin is meant to taste like. Making use of a third party repo, used as an experimental area to stage new packages you are interested in submitting as part of an Art spin is absolutely OKAY. You just can't call it the "Fedora" Art spin during this process. In parallel to this, you can start driving packages you know you want in an official Fedora Art spin into the package review process. To help move this forward, it would be very good if you had a solid list of people with package contributor status who can act as reviewers and package owners to move the package review process forward. Count me in that list. I can take review and maintain a subset of any additional packages that a Fedora Art spin needs to see land in the Fedora repository. -jef From fedoracore.lists at gmail.com Fri Sep 14 03:15:05 2007 From: fedoracore.lists at gmail.com (jhon choptieso) Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 23:15:05 -0400 Subject: rhgb at shutdown Message-ID: <9bc2adb00709132015j4b3d7d31j7fce916e25108c50@mail.gmail.com> Greetings. I am new in Fedora, I have fedora 7. I have a dubt: rhgb do not work at shutdown or reboot, its is normal?... Exist some way for run rhgb at reboot or shoutdown like splashy or similar? Thanks. -- Jos? Regalado a.k.a bashman http://groups.google.com/group/symfony-ve From nicolas.mailhot at laposte.net Fri Sep 14 11:51:55 2007 From: nicolas.mailhot at laposte.net (Nicolas Mailhot) Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 13:51:55 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [Long] Do we need a font SIG ? Message-ID: <6148.192.54.193.51.1189770715.squirrel@rousalka.dyndns.org> Hi all [I wanted to prepare a bit more before writing this, but it seems everyone is asking about the same things at once, so this will have to do] I'd like know what people think of setting up a font SIG, and if there are enough would-be contributors for such a SIG to be viable. Fonts are a very transversal subject in Fedora, and the initial To: list reflects this. Please take care to reply on fedora-devel only however. The situation right now is: 1. we have several font packages in Fedora, but are only scratching what could be packaged. http://mihmo.livejournal.com/45152.html 2. In particular the art team wants a lot more fonts in for its Art spin http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/ArtTeamProjects/FedoraArtStudio 3. I don't believe our font selection is optimal for every locale. It took a near-revolt by our Greek users to get their situation fixed in Fedora Core 6, and there are probably many other problem locales, where users just pass on Fedora or bear their pain silently instead of telling us about problems. 4. The i18n team is nominally in charge of selecting the best fonts for each locale, but does not always have the right local contacts to do so. So far i18n has focused on technical problems : if your locale needs complex IM methods you have i18n visibility, if your locale poses no technical challenge but your default fonts are suboptimal the i18n team may not notice you. 4. The l10n team has local contacts and could provide useful feedback on font choices, currently packaged font problems, local foundries/font designers that could be contacted to contribute to the FLOSS font pool, etc but has mostly focused on translation so far. 5. The desktop team handles our font infrastructure and takes the heat when a font is badly rendered (since we can not use the patented freetype autohinter many fonts that work fine under windows do not under Fedora) 6. We already have some font-related material disseminated on our wiki: - packaging rules, http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Packaging/ScriptletSnippets#head-4863fc4c93cec14292719d8901d83f5d90c3e477 - licensing rules http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Licensing#head-63f9d798a33b23a752e5a3b22a0888046d4cb8d8 - other http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fonts/DejaVu 7. The font situation is bad enough we have a font exception to our FLOSS rules http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Packaging/Guidelines#head-daa717ea096fa4d9cf7b9a49b5edb36e3bda3aac [for example we ship Luxi even though its licensing forbids modification, making it non-free http://www.xfree86.org/current/LICENSE11.html] 8. There are efforts to drain the font licensing swamp and promote FLOSS fonts (http://unifont.org/go_for_ofl/), they are aligned with Fedora general objectives yet Fedora has totally ignored them so far (cf Liberation licensing choices) This is a stark contrast with the very active debian font team : http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/GUIFonts The main part of the OLPC font page is the Debian font list! http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Fonts I believe there is enough interest in the various Fedora groups to improve the current situation through a font SIG. This SIG would be tasked with: A. providing a single point of entry for Fedora people interested in fonts, centralizing all our packaging rules or at least indexing them in a single place B. completing the existing font packaging documentation C. helping the i18n team maintain the font install list for each locale D. identifying fonts worthy of packaging for l10n or art reasons E. identifying problems in existing font packages and helping relay the info upstream F. identifying problems in our font infrastructure, packaging necessary font tools G. coordinating and effectively packaging new fonts As the current maintainer of dejavu, and a co-maintainer of charis and dejavu-lgc, I am ready to write a commented font spec example (B) (without legacy core font bits, which IMHO should be optional nowadays ; however I'm sure there are people ready and willing to write this part as an extension), and package a few fonts (G). The l10n and i18n groups are naturals for (C). We just have to steal the Debian receipe of having a font-by-locale table in our wiki. I think it's pretty obvious the art team is motivated by (E). IMHO the l10n team should have a role there too. Note that doing the legal analysis of a potential font is far from easy as font licensing practices are far less clean than software licensing practices. Also we should try to build font from sources whenever possible, but font building is often a mess. G will demand packagers and reviewers. By nature most of them will be active in other Fedora forums, so we're not talking of a few full-time SIG members but a lot of part-time contributors. I created a mockup wiki page to try to make all this clear http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/NicolasMailhot/FontMatrix It's far from complete, but I hope it's complete enough to give everyone an idea of the potential SIG scope. So, who wants to play? Is Fedora ready for a font SIG or should I ask again next year? Kind regards, -- Nicolas Mailhot From mmcgrath at redhat.com Fri Sep 14 15:28:07 2007 From: mmcgrath at redhat.com (Mike McGrath) Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 10:28:07 -0500 Subject: Help Wanted - Websites, Infrastructure Message-ID: <46EAA887.8040005@redhat.com> Hello Art team. The websites and infrastructure teams are looking for a few good people to help with the presentation of our applications and websites. We have a few people working on a lot of pages and more help is needed. Specifically we are looking for the following skill set: * Strong HTML / CSS skills * Ability to create images (or get them made by others) * Quick prototyping abilities * Thick skin * Couple of hours of free time to work / week * UI, someone that can make our website feel cohesive and intuitive * A nack for documenting standards and knowledge of various ADA and other web standards Some pretty big changes are coming to the website soon like better internationalization support, moving some content from the wiki to the 'static' page, better designs and a consistent look of all of our apps. If you're interested please let me know. We already have outstanding tasks. I'd prefer someone without much coding experience as the last two people that joined are now deep in building some new and critical applications, I'm hoping to find some people that are presentation only. -Mike From tw2113 at gmail.com Fri Sep 14 15:39:39 2007 From: tw2113 at gmail.com (Michael Beckwith) Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 10:39:39 -0500 Subject: Help Wanted - Websites, Infrastructure In-Reply-To: <46EAA887.8040005@redhat.com> References: <46EAA887.8040005@redhat.com> Message-ID: <9b437e950709140839g5958aa2cq7c5ffb35569a3a37@mail.gmail.com> I would be interested in helping out in this area. One thing that has been preventing me from jumping in headfirst is the fears that i'd have to do some higher end stuff that is more web programming based, as I don't have a lot of experience on that end, but in terms of presentation, I have some good experience going for me. Keep me updated or contact me directly if you'd like my help. On 9/14/07, Mike McGrath wrote: > > Hello Art team. The websites and infrastructure teams are looking for a > few good people to help with the presentation of our applications and > websites. We have a few people working on a lot of pages and more help > is needed. Specifically we are looking for the following skill set: > > * Strong HTML / CSS skills > * Ability to create images (or get them made by others) > * Quick prototyping abilities > * Thick skin > * Couple of hours of free time to work / week > * UI, someone that can make our website feel cohesive and intuitive > * A nack for documenting standards and knowledge of various ADA and > other web standards > > Some pretty big changes are coming to the website soon like better > internationalization support, moving some content from the wiki to the > 'static' page, better designs and a consistent look of all of our apps. > If you're interested please let me know. We already have outstanding > tasks. I'd prefer someone without much coding experience as the last > two people that joined are now deep in building some new and critical > applications, I'm hoping to find some people that are presentation only. > > -Mike > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list > -- ~Michael http://ridleytx.structed.net (for now) http://www.michaelbox.net (eventually) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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But some issues may be due to there not being an appropriate icon available or the upstream icon not being that great. Is it worth it to take some time to make sure the initial set of icons in the menus for a default Fedora install all have perfect and consistent coverage? Is it possible to address all these issues? Here's my 'hit list' of icons to address with screenshots, if so: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/F8Themes/IconReview_Fedora_8_Icon_Review ~m From sdl.web at gmail.com Sat Sep 15 07:43:13 2007 From: sdl.web at gmail.com (Leo) Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2007 08:43:13 +0100 Subject: Fedora 8 Test 2 Icon Review References: <46EB6236.2080509@redhat.com> Message-ID: On 2007-09-15 05:40 +0100, M?ir?n Duffy wrote: > Is it worth it to take some time to make sure the initial set of icons > in the menus for a default Fedora install all have perfect and > consistent coverage? Is it possible to address all these issues? It looks like we are using the icon set from gnome, no? -- .: Leo :. [ sdl.web AT gmail.com ] .: [ GPG Key: 9283AA3F ] :. => "(require 'cl) considered harmful" considered harmful => http://dto.freeshell.org/blog/blog-2007-09-07-2323.html From martin.sourada at seznam.cz Sat Sep 15 08:34:29 2007 From: martin.sourada at seznam.cz (Martin Sourada) Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2007 10:34:29 +0200 Subject: Fedora 8 Test 2 Icon Review In-Reply-To: <46EB6236.2080509@redhat.com> References: <46EB6236.2080509@redhat.com> Message-ID: <1189845269.3249.9.camel@pc-notebook> On Sat, 2007-09-15 at 06:40 +0200, M?ir?n Duffy wrote: > Hi folks, > > I installed Fedora 8 Test 2 last night, and after updating it I took > some time tonight to take screenshots of the application menus to show > what the icons look like in a default installation of Fedora (well > except I installed Inkscape, sorry, I couldn't live without it for that > long. :) ) > > Overall, the icon coverage looks pretty good and the icons for the most > part are pretty consistent, but there are still some icons that have > problems. They either look fuzzy, or do not fit the icon theme / don't > look polished. Some of this may be due to technical or packaging issues > I think? I noticed the puplet icon gets less blurry if you increase the > size of GNOME panel. But some issues may be due to there not being an > appropriate icon available or the upstream icon not being that great. > > Is it worth it to take some time to make sure the initial set of icons > in the menus for a default Fedora install all have perfect and > consistent coverage? Is it possible to address all these issues? > > Here's my 'hit list' of icons to address with screenshots, if so: > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/F8Themes/IconReview_Fedora_8_Icon_Review > > ~m > Hi Mo, many of the blurry icons are from bluecurve (especially those in 'System' menus) which has only 20x20 and 24x24 sets. I think these could be fixed easily by creating 22x22 set out of 20x20 by adding a 1px transparent border. Dunno, however, how to take care of the applications' upstream icons, whether create a 22x22 icons with same look as the original or whether make their gnome/mist variants and contribute them to gnome icon theme... Also, as we target Echo icon set on Fedora 9 we should also consider these and decide which applications' icons create in addition to those in icon naming specs. Should we rather focus on apps in Live CD, or rather take care of categories (like icon for graphics-raster, graphics-vector, graphics-viewer, office-wordprocessor,...)? Any thoughts on these? Martin -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Jon From martin.sourada at seznam.cz Sat Sep 15 11:52:45 2007 From: martin.sourada at seznam.cz (Martin Sourada) Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2007 13:52:45 +0200 Subject: Graphical Shutdown In-Reply-To: <3263b11b0709150425x29d0faf9m96702ba1f4a36099@mail.gmail.com> References: <3263b11b0709150425x29d0faf9m96702ba1f4a36099@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1189857165.3249.12.camel@pc-notebook> On Sat, 2007-09-15 at 13:25 +0200, Jonathan Roberts wrote: > Not sure if this is the relevant list, but...is there any possibility > of F8 having a graphical shutdown? > > Jon > It is maybe possible (but most likely not in F8), but I think it would be better to ask -devel list. I also think it is not a very good idea, IMHO the shutdown should kill processes, not start them. I see the future in speed ups in the shutdown process, I can imagine it could be a lot faster... Martin -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From jonathan.roberts.uk at googlemail.com Sat Sep 15 12:16:02 2007 From: jonathan.roberts.uk at googlemail.com (Jonathan Roberts) Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2007 13:16:02 +0100 Subject: Graphical Shutdown In-Reply-To: <1189857165.3249.12.camel@pc-notebook> References: <3263b11b0709150425x29d0faf9m96702ba1f4a36099@mail.gmail.com> <1189857165.3249.12.camel@pc-notebook> Message-ID: <3263b11b0709150516v5cd3a346s5e94127af5bdb328@mail.gmail.com> > It is maybe possible (but most likely not in F8), but I think it would > be better to ask -devel list. I'll give them a shout :D >I also think it is not a very good idea, > IMHO the shutdown should kill processes, not start them. I see the > future in speed ups in the shutdown process, I can imagine it could be a > lot faster... I see what you're saying here - perhaps not a graphical shutdown then, but at the least a non-verbose shutdown. I find it looks ugly as it is, really only two areas of Fedora that do look ugly now... (the other being the space between grub and rhgb, which I understand is being worked on) Just my opinion, thanks for the reply though :D Jon > > Martin > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list > > > From nisses.mail at home.se Sat Sep 15 13:05:06 2007 From: nisses.mail at home.se (Andreas Nilsson) Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2007 15:05:06 +0200 Subject: Fedora 8 Test 2 Icon Review In-Reply-To: <46EB6236.2080509@redhat.com> References: <46EB6236.2080509@redhat.com> Message-ID: <46EBD882.4040107@home.se> M?ir?n Duffy wrote: > Hi folks, > > I installed Fedora 8 Test 2 last night, and after updating it I took > some time tonight to take screenshots of the application menus to show > what the icons look like in a default installation of Fedora (well > except I installed Inkscape, sorry, I couldn't live without it for > that long. :) ) > > Overall, the icon coverage looks pretty good and the icons for the > most part are pretty consistent, but there are still some icons that > have problems. They either look fuzzy, or do not fit the icon theme / > don't look polished. Some of this may be due to technical or packaging > issues I think? I noticed the puplet icon gets less blurry if you > increase the size of GNOME panel. But some issues may be due to there > not being an appropriate icon available or the upstream icon not being > that great. > > Is it worth it to take some time to make sure the initial set of icons > in the menus for a default Fedora install all have perfect and > consistent coverage? Is it possible to address all these issues? > > Here's my 'hit list' of icons to address with screenshots, if so: > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/F8Themes/IconReview_Fedora_8_Icon_Review > Totally! Always worth it as it makes stuff look sharp and professional. graphics: gthumb - Fixed in trunk already fedora icon - here [1] internet: blog entry poster: what app is this? contacts: http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=467115 e-mail: also http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=467115 ekiga: I know there is a sharp icon around, but I can't find the bug #. I'll look into this. x-chat: http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=375579 office: abiword: I've submitted a fix [2], but the abiword developers haven't had time to put it in yet. gnumeric: vdepizzol did this and sent it off to the maintainer, weird that's it's not upsteam yet. [3] tasks: also http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=467115 Need to run off now, I'll cover the rest later. - Andreas 1. http://www.stephenbrandt.com/tango-icons/fedora/ 2. http://andreasn.se/diverse/temp/abiword.tar.gz 3. http://tango.freedesktop.org/Tango_Fridays#Friday_November_3rd From stevelist at silverorange.com Sat Sep 15 14:11:53 2007 From: stevelist at silverorange.com (Steven Garrity) Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2007 11:11:53 -0300 Subject: Fedora 8 Test 2 Icon Review In-Reply-To: <46EB6236.2080509@redhat.com> References: <46EB6236.2080509@redhat.com> Message-ID: <46EBE829.4060504@silverorange.com> Great work M?ir?n, It looks like Gnome Blog already has a nice tango-style icon upstream: http://svn.gnome.org/viewcvs/gnome-blog/trunk/icons/48x48/gnome-blog.png?view=log Not sure why it's not getting included. Steven Garrity M?ir?n Duffy wrote: > Hi folks, > > I installed Fedora 8 Test 2 last night, and after updating it I took > some time tonight to take screenshots of the application menus to show > what the icons look like in a default installation of Fedora (well > except I installed Inkscape, sorry, I couldn't live without it for that > long. :) ) > > Overall, the icon coverage looks pretty good and the icons for the most > part are pretty consistent, but there are still some icons that have > problems. They either look fuzzy, or do not fit the icon theme / don't > look polished. Some of this may be due to technical or packaging issues > I think? I noticed the puplet icon gets less blurry if you increase the > size of GNOME panel. But some issues may be due to there not being an > appropriate icon available or the upstream icon not being that great. > > Is it worth it to take some time to make sure the initial set of icons > in the menus for a default Fedora install all have perfect and > consistent coverage? Is it possible to address all these issues? > > Here's my 'hit list' of icons to address with screenshots, if so: > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/F8Themes/IconReview_Fedora_8_Icon_Review > > > ~m > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list From liviopl.pl at gmail.com Sat Sep 15 21:23:54 2007 From: liviopl.pl at gmail.com (Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek) Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2007 23:23:54 +0200 Subject: Echo bad Message-ID: Hi! I have to say few words about Echo icon theme. * its contrast is too big * perspective is not adequate to image size * color pallette is really fancy - some places too dark, some too bright Look at Tango! guidelines - well polished. -- Pozdrawiam/Cheers, Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek http://liviopl.jogger.pl/ From martin.sourada at seznam.cz Sat Sep 15 21:33:53 2007 From: martin.sourada at seznam.cz (Martin Sourada) Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2007 23:33:53 +0200 Subject: Echo bad In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1189892033.2993.6.camel@pc-notebook> On Sat, 2007-09-15 at 23:23 +0200, Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek wrote: > Hi! > > I have to say few words about Echo icon theme. > > * its contrast is too big For all icons or you have some specific examples? > * perspective is not adequate to image size Guidelines are being reworked. See the DRAFT [1] and new icons following the guidelines for isometric icons [2], I think they work in this size great. > * color pallette is really fancy - some places too dark, some too bright > again, it is being worked on. See the guidelines DRAFT [1] and point what exactly is wrong. It will be much appreciated. > Look at Tango! guidelines - well polished. > I know, and we are doing our best to create as good guidelines as these. Thanks, Martin References: [1] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/MartinSourada/EchoIconThemeGuidelinesDRAFT [2] http://mso.fedorapeople.org/echo/ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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In my opinion isometric perspective is really bad idea. > > * color pallette is really fancy - some places too dark, some too > bright > > > again, it is being worked on. See the guidelines DRAFT [1] and point > what exactly is wrong. It will be much appreciated. In "Defining Echo Style Elements" are shown three icons. First is too bright, second also, but third too dark (see bottom of icon). Few mail icons are also too dark. Please, think about some shiness and make small icons readable. > > Look at Tango! guidelines - well polished. > > > I know, and we are doing our best to create as good guidelines as > these. GNOME uses Tango-ish icons, some programs like Pidgin are shipped with same style icons. Echo should use same, or very similiar style to don't mix'em. Also, I hope Fedora 8 will look professional - I have some artwork from rawhide and I'm really impressed :) ! So, do your best :) . From martin.sourada at seznam.cz Sat Sep 15 22:23:56 2007 From: martin.sourada at seznam.cz (Martin Sourada) Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2007 00:23:56 +0200 Subject: Echo bad In-Reply-To: <1189893712l.4514l.0l@castello> References: <1189893712l.4514l.0l@castello> Message-ID: <1189895036.2993.22.camel@pc-notebook> On Sun, 2007-09-16 at 00:01 +0200, Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek wrote: > > > * its contrast is too big > > For all icons or you have some specific examples? > > Look at icon with tool - orange and kinda dark gray... > Yeah, that is one example, but I personally think (if you are referring to the document-properties icon), that there the contrast serves good, I can point to some examples where the contrast between border and the rest of the icon is too big (for example edit-select-all at 24x24 size). > > > * perspective is not adequate to image size > > Guidelines are being reworked. See the DRAFT [1] and new icons > > following > > the guidelines for isometric icons [2], I think they work in this > > size > > great. > > 32x32 or 48x48 icons are looking really strange in Nautilus, especially > folders (so ugly, not shiny). > Aaah... folders are very very bad example. There is a lot of problems with them and they have only 48x48 version, really bad. They MUST be reworked. > In my opinion isometric perspective is really bad idea. > From artist point of view I can tell it is much harder to create good looking perspective icon, from user point of view I can tell that I like the isometric perspective much more than the one used by tango or gnome icon theme. > > > * color pallette is really fancy - some places too dark, some too > > bright > > > > > again, it is being worked on. See the guidelines DRAFT [1] and point > > what exactly is wrong. It will be much appreciated. > > In "Defining Echo Style Elements" are shown three icons. > First is too bright, second also, but third too dark (see bottom of > icon). > Err, first is too bright? I don't think so, this is very very subjective. Also, the third icon is overaly bright as well, only the bottom is shaded. > Few mail icons are also too dark. Please, think about some shiness and > make small icons readable. > I am against glossy style (reflections, shiness, etc.) in Echo icons, but I agree with the mail icons, they could be brighter. > > > Look at Tango! guidelines - well polished. > > > > > I know, and we are doing our best to create as good guidelines as > > these. > > GNOME uses Tango-ish icons, some programs like Pidgin are shipped with > same style icons. > Echo should use same, or very similiar style to don't mix'em. > Also, I hope Fedora 8 will look professional - I have some artwork from > rawhide and I'm really impressed :) ! Yep, you need not to fear that Echo will be in F8 - it is far from complete... We are staying with Mist (I actually think that the Mist/Gnome combination is nicer than Tango, even though the style is very similar...) > > So, do your best :) . > > We'll do :) Thanks, Martin -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From luya_tfz at thefinalzone.com Sun Sep 16 07:26:30 2007 From: luya_tfz at thefinalzone.com (Luya Tshimbalanga) Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2007 03:26:30 -0400 Subject: Echo bad In-Reply-To: <1189893712l.4514l.0l@castello> References: <1189893712l.4514l.0l@castello> Message-ID: <1189927590.46ecdaa6dd7ab@ssl.mecca.ca> Greeting Jakub, Thank you for taking the time to comment about Echo icons. Quoting Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek : > Look at icon with tool - orange and kinda dark gray... I have this tool in orange and dark grey. =) > 32x32 or 48x48 icons are looking really strange in Nautilus, especially > folders (so ugly, not shiny). > > In my opinion isometric perspective is really bad idea. That is relative, not all folders are shiny. Martin perfectly gave the reason about isometric perspective and the avoidance of shininess for all icons which are overused. > > > Look at Tango! guidelines - well polished. > > > We are people who learned about mistakes. It is our very first time we work on icon themes. > > I know, and we are doing our best to create as good guidelines as > > these. > > GNOME uses Tango-ish icons, some programs like Pidgin are shipped with > same style icons. Pidgin main icon is flat and definitevely not Tango style. Echo is designed with isometric perspective aiming to be the natural successor of the defunct Bluecurve icons. Starting this week, I will resume echo development. Summer class is over and I have two weeks of break. -- Luya Tshimbalanga Fedora Project contributor http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/LuyaTshimbalanga From liviopl.pl at gmail.com Sun Sep 16 13:13:03 2007 From: liviopl.pl at gmail.com (Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek) Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2007 15:13:03 +0200 Subject: Echo bad In-Reply-To: <1189927590.46ecdaa6dd7ab@ssl.mecca.ca> References: <1189893712l.4514l.0l@castello> <1189927590.46ecdaa6dd7ab@ssl.mecca.ca> Message-ID: > Yep, you need not to fear that Echo will be in F8 - it is far from > complete... We are staying with Mist (I actually think that the > Mist/Gnome combination is nicer than Tango, even though the style is > very similar...) Mist is nice, but in my opinion too flat. By the way, menu icon (Fedora logo scaled down) is very very ugly - did you see Tangoish Fedora logo? If no, look at http://tango.freedesktop.org/Tango_Fridays and scroll down. Even in small size it is readable. This icon should be reworked or replaced by this Tangoish icon. From martin.sourada at seznam.cz Sun Sep 16 13:22:06 2007 From: martin.sourada at seznam.cz (Martin Sourada) Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2007 15:22:06 +0200 Subject: Fedora 8 Test 2 Desktop Live Echo Icon Review Message-ID: <1189948926.11983.3.camel@pc-notebook> Hi, following Mo's example on our current default theme I analysed the coverage of Echo icons in the last echo-icon-theme package in rawhide and in latest git snapshot from trunk (which has enabled SVGs, some new icons and some minor fixes to icon names not in naming specs [1]) as seen on the Desktop Live from Test 2. The result is pretty bad and there is a lot of work to do... Also, I took the chance and for applications that uses icons that are not in the naming specs I created names for their icons following the same guidelines and put them in brackets alongside with the original icon name. Comments to the proposed names welcome :) You can see the analysis on the EchoToDo/Menus wiki page [2]. The investigation showed some interesting things. First that some applications has hardcoded icon paths in their desktop files, some include icon size in their icon name (so, instead of blueradio we have blueradio-48, etc.) and some applications include extension, which is not always png. Secondly, many applications does not install their icons to hicolor icon theme and many applications actually has only one size of the icon (usually 48x48). I think these issues should be investigated alongside the icon creation and fixed. I propose that whoever chose to create an application icon check the application's desktop file as well and if something is wrong then file a bug in redhat bugzilla [3]. Dunno, whether these things are mentioned on package guidelines, but I think it would be worth to at least some of them use (like installation of application icons to hicolor icon theme and usage only of the icon name, without extension and path, in the desktop files). So, and now to the Echo icons, the results are on the wiki page [2] as well, but I'll list them here as well, so that you need not to load whole page (which includes screenshots): Priority Count Short description ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Critical 55 Icons that are both blurry and are not included in the Echo icon set Very High 2 Echo icons with three or more issues High 25 Echo cons with two issues Medium 2 Echo icons with one rendering issue Low 1 Echo icons with minor issue, like wrong or missing symlink Very Low 14 Non Echo icons that are displayed OK Zero 16 Echo icons that are OK ------------------------------------------------------------------- total 115 all icons present in F8 Test 2 Desktop Live menus As you can see, the number of missing icons is big, as well as the number of icons that are blurry. There is a lot of work to be done... Comments, icons, etc. are more than welcome. I hope the page looks good and is easy to follow, I'd like if it served like a better and fuller ToDo [4] list, which is currently slightly outdated and, IMHO, needs to be recreated. Oh, and I haven't found the icon names used in desktop files for System -> Administration -> {Bootloader,Root Password} icons, since I don't have them in my machine, and haven't rebooted to the Live CD since yesterday when I did the screenshots, so if anyone has the knowledge of these feel free to replace the '??' with the current icon name (without size suffices, extensions and paths). Thanks, Martin References: [1] http://standards.freedesktop.org/icon-naming-spec/icon-naming-spec-latest.html [2] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/EchoIconTheme/EchoToDo/Menus [3] http://bugzilla.redhat.com/ [4] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/EchoIconTheme/EchoToDo/ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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It is nice, but I don't know if it is acceptable - the fedora logo is trademarked... > If no, look at http://tango.freedesktop.org/Tango_Fridays and scroll down. > Even in small size it is readable. > > This icon should be reworked or replaced by this Tangoish icon. > Martin -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From liviopl.pl at gmail.com Sun Sep 16 13:44:32 2007 From: liviopl.pl at gmail.com (Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek) Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2007 15:44:32 +0200 Subject: Fedora 8 Test 2 Desktop Live Echo Icon Review In-Reply-To: <1189948926.11983.3.camel@pc-notebook> (from martin.sourada@seznam.cz on Sun Sep 16 15:22:06 2007) References: <1189948926.11983.3.camel@pc-notebook> Message-ID: <1189950272l.3856l.0l@castello> There are many problems with Echo - icons are still lookin incosistent and so... Fancy. In my opinion it is better to use Mist iconset even in F9, F10 etc. Echo on this stage aren't ready. Also, Echo will be messing around with style. GNOME uses beautiful, bright, contrasted icons which are perfect for bright and dark GTK themes - Echo icons are looking ugly on buttons and other widgets. Sorry for my opinion, I just hate Echo from its beginning :| . From markg85 at gmail.com Sun Sep 16 16:14:34 2007 From: markg85 at gmail.com (Mark) Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2007 18:14:34 +0200 Subject: rhgb at shutdown In-Reply-To: <9bc2adb00709132015j4b3d7d31j7fce916e25108c50@mail.gmail.com> References: <9bc2adb00709132015j4b3d7d31j7fce916e25108c50@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <6e24a8e80709160914g61d195ej4d2b36e21ece1d1@mail.gmail.com> 2007/9/14, jhon choptieso : > Greetings. > > I am new in Fedora, I have fedora 7. I have a dubt: rhgb do not work > at shutdown or reboot, its is normal?... Exist some way for run rhgb > at reboot or shoutdown like splashy or similar? > > Thanks. I'm a fedora user for about 2 years now and have never saw RHGB at shutdown. My guess is that there is no graphical shutdown in fedora. From liviopl.pl at gmail.com Sun Sep 16 17:15:39 2007 From: liviopl.pl at gmail.com (Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek) Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2007 19:15:39 +0200 Subject: rhgb at shutdown In-Reply-To: <6e24a8e80709160914g61d195ej4d2b36e21ece1d1@mail.gmail.com> (from markg85@gmail.com on Sun Sep 16 18:14:34 2007) References: <9bc2adb00709132015j4b3d7d31j7fce916e25108c50@mail.gmail.com> <6e24a8e80709160914g61d195ej4d2b36e21ece1d1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1189962939l.2874l.0l@castello> > > I'm a fedora user for about 2 years now and have never saw RHGB at > shutdown. My guess is that there is no graphical shutdown in fedora. > You'll not see RHGB on shutdown. Why? Because of X11. X11 cannot be running, when system is becomming level 0/etc. (graphical subsystem is down, services are getting down). There are few chances: migration to bootsplash, splashy, usplash or other. From jonathan.roberts.uk at googlemail.com Sun Sep 16 17:58:15 2007 From: jonathan.roberts.uk at googlemail.com (Jonathan Roberts) Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2007 18:58:15 +0100 Subject: rhgb at shutdown In-Reply-To: <1189962939l.2874l.0l@castello> References: <9bc2adb00709132015j4b3d7d31j7fce916e25108c50@mail.gmail.com> <6e24a8e80709160914g61d195ej4d2b36e21ece1d1@mail.gmail.com> <1189962939l.2874l.0l@castello> Message-ID: <3263b11b0709161058k38ae07eg3b9f54fc71ee1b91@mail.gmail.com> On 16/09/2007, Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek wrote: > > > > I'm a fedora user for about 2 years now and have never saw RHGB at > > shutdown. My guess is that there is no graphical shutdown in fedora. > > > > You'll not see RHGB on shutdown. > Why? Because of X11. X11 cannot be running, when system is becomming > level 0/etc. (graphical subsystem is down, services are getting down). > > There are few chances: migration to bootsplash, splashy, usplash or > other. Would there be any possibility of just having a non-verbose shutdown option? i.e. just a blank screen? Jon > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list > From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Sun Sep 16 18:07:22 2007 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2007 23:37:22 +0530 Subject: rhgb at shutdown In-Reply-To: <3263b11b0709161058k38ae07eg3b9f54fc71ee1b91@mail.gmail.com> References: <9bc2adb00709132015j4b3d7d31j7fce916e25108c50@mail.gmail.com> <6e24a8e80709160914g61d195ej4d2b36e21ece1d1@mail.gmail.com> <1189962939l.2874l.0l@castello> <3263b11b0709161058k38ae07eg3b9f54fc71ee1b91@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <46ED70DA.9010509@fedoraproject.org> Jonathan Roberts wrote: > On 16/09/2007, Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek wrote: >>> I'm a fedora user for about 2 years now and have never saw RHGB at >>> shutdown. My guess is that there is no graphical shutdown in fedora. >>> >> You'll not see RHGB on shutdown. >> Why? Because of X11. X11 cannot be running, when system is becomming >> level 0/etc. (graphical subsystem is down, services are getting down). >> >> There are few chances: migration to bootsplash, splashy, usplash or >> other. > > Would there be any possibility of just having a non-verbose shutdown > option? i.e. just a blank screen? This is really the wrong list for this discussion. The mechanisms of shutdown or using RHGB have nothing to do with art. fedora-devel or fedora-desktop list is more suitable and it has already been discussed in both. All services don't need to be shutdown mythologically as it happens now and some of them can just be killed without any side effect. Someone will have to look in that which will potentially speed up shutdown. There has also been some discussions on using splashy and what is missing currently at https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-desktop-list/2007-August/msg00399.html See some of the related discussions on the same thread for more details. Rahul From jonathan.roberts.uk at googlemail.com Sun Sep 16 18:13:25 2007 From: jonathan.roberts.uk at googlemail.com (Jonathan Roberts) Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2007 19:13:25 +0100 Subject: rhgb at shutdown In-Reply-To: <46ED70DA.9010509@fedoraproject.org> References: <9bc2adb00709132015j4b3d7d31j7fce916e25108c50@mail.gmail.com> <6e24a8e80709160914g61d195ej4d2b36e21ece1d1@mail.gmail.com> <1189962939l.2874l.0l@castello> <3263b11b0709161058k38ae07eg3b9f54fc71ee1b91@mail.gmail.com> <46ED70DA.9010509@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <3263b11b0709161113w4e6c5635h95719308427ee3a6@mail.gmail.com> On 16/09/2007, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > Jonathan Roberts wrote: > > On 16/09/2007, Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek wrote: > >>> I'm a fedora user for about 2 years now and have never saw RHGB at > >>> shutdown. My guess is that there is no graphical shutdown in fedora. > >>> > >> You'll not see RHGB on shutdown. > >> Why? Because of X11. X11 cannot be running, when system is becomming > >> level 0/etc. (graphical subsystem is down, services are getting down). > >> > >> There are few chances: migration to bootsplash, splashy, usplash or > >> other. > > > > Would there be any possibility of just having a non-verbose shutdown > > option? i.e. just a blank screen? > > This is really the wrong list for this discussion. The mechanisms of > shutdown or using RHGB have nothing to do with art. fedora-devel or > fedora-desktop list is more suitable and it has already been discussed > in both. Oops apologies - I got confused whcih list this was on :S Sorry folks... Jon From stickster at gmail.com Sun Sep 16 18:15:42 2007 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2007 14:15:42 -0400 Subject: rhgb at shutdown In-Reply-To: <3263b11b0709161058k38ae07eg3b9f54fc71ee1b91@mail.gmail.com> References: <9bc2adb00709132015j4b3d7d31j7fce916e25108c50@mail.gmail.com> <6e24a8e80709160914g61d195ej4d2b36e21ece1d1@mail.gmail.com> <1189962939l.2874l.0l@castello> <3263b11b0709161058k38ae07eg3b9f54fc71ee1b91@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1189966542.5185.12.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Sun, 2007-09-16 at 18:58 +0100, Jonathan Roberts wrote: > On 16/09/2007, Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek wrote: > > > > > > I'm a fedora user for about 2 years now and have never saw RHGB at > > > shutdown. My guess is that there is no graphical shutdown in fedora. > > > > > > > You'll not see RHGB on shutdown. > > Why? Because of X11. X11 cannot be running, when system is becomming > > level 0/etc. (graphical subsystem is down, services are getting down). > > > > There are few chances: migration to bootsplash, splashy, usplash or > > other. > > Would there be any possibility of just having a non-verbose shutdown > option? i.e. just a blank screen? You would want some sort of user-visible message, otherwise how is the user to know when shutdown is complete? From a desktop user point of view, some display devices may shift to standby mode and confuse the user, especially if they come back on when the kernel does the final cleanup tasks and video returns. -- Paul W. Frields, RHCE http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 Fedora Project: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/PaulWFrields irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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From nisses.mail at home.se Sun Sep 16 18:30:25 2007 From: nisses.mail at home.se (Andreas Nilsson) Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2007 20:30:25 +0200 Subject: Fedora 8 Test 2 Desktop Live Echo Icon Review In-Reply-To: <1189950272l.3856l.0l@castello> References: <1189948926.11983.3.camel@pc-notebook> <1189950272l.3856l.0l@castello> Message-ID: <46ED7641.4060005@home.se> Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek wrote: > There are many problems with Echo - icons are still lookin incosistent > and so... Fancy. > > In my opinion it is better to use Mist iconset even in F9, F10 etc. > > Echo on this stage aren't ready. Also, Echo will be messing around > with style. GNOME uses beautiful, bright, contrasted icons which are > perfect for bright and dark GTK themes - Echo icons are looking ugly on > buttons and other widgets. > > Sorry for my opinion, I just hate Echo from its beginning :| . > Hi Jakub! (I'm Andreas, a GNOME upstream artist) Ouch, Hate is quite a strong word and certainly something I would avoid to use for a graphical interface, even though you might have some problems with it. I'm sure Martin, Luya and others are doing their best to do a good job with the set. Full icon coverage across a operating system is quite a task, or, heck, it's a insanely massive amount of work. I understand your concerns about the final look of the Fedora 9 system, but we're not there yet and I'm certain the Fedora art team can make a wise decision where to go when the time comes. Always love, never hate. - Andreas From liviopl.pl at gmail.com Sun Sep 16 18:37:27 2007 From: liviopl.pl at gmail.com (Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek) Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2007 20:37:27 +0200 Subject: Fedora 8 Test 2 Desktop Live Echo Icon Review In-Reply-To: <46ED7641.4060005@home.se> (from nisses.mail@home.se on Sun Sep 16 20:30:25 2007) References: <1189948926.11983.3.camel@pc-notebook> <1189950272l.3856l.0l@castello> <46ED7641.4060005@home.se> Message-ID: <1189967847l.3520l.0l@castello> > Hi Jakub! > (I'm Andreas, a GNOME upstream artist) > Ouch, Hate is quite a strong word and certainly something I would > avoid > to use for a graphical interface, even though you might have some > problems with it. I'm sure Martin, Luya and others are doing their > best > to do a good job with the set. > Full icon coverage across a operating system is quite a task, or, > heck, > it's a insanely massive amount of work. I understand your concerns > about > the final look of the Fedora 9 system, but we're not there yet and > I'm > > certain the Fedora art team can make a wise decision where to go when > the time comes. > Always love, never hate. > - Andreas Hi, Andreas I'm watching your blog ;) . I can't say "I love Echo", because I would lie. Good example of non-shiny icons are Windows XP icons, but shiness makes icons look professional - look at unprofessional Windows Vista. From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Sun Sep 16 18:36:16 2007 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 00:06:16 +0530 Subject: rhgb at shutdown In-Reply-To: <1189966492l.3217l.0l@castello> References: <9bc2adb00709132015j4b3d7d31j7fce916e25108c50@mail.gmail.com> <6e24a8e80709160914g61d195ej4d2b36e21ece1d1@mail.gmail.com> <1189962939l.2874l.0l@castello> <3263b11b0709161058k38ae07eg3b9f54fc71ee1b91@mail.gmail.com> <1189966492l.3217l.0l@castello> Message-ID: <46ED77A0.3050201@fedoraproject.org> Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek wrote: >> Would there be any possibility of just having a non-verbose shutdown >> option? i.e. just a blank screen? >> > > I don't know, I'm not developer, but I think it is possible with > bootsplash, splashy or usplash (Red Hat will not be satisfied of RHGB > removal). On the contrary, that is the plan anyway https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-desktop-list/2007-August/msg00386.html Rahul From markg85 at gmail.com Sun Sep 16 19:00:48 2007 From: markg85 at gmail.com (Mark) Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2007 21:00:48 +0200 Subject: Echo bad In-Reply-To: <1189949073.11983.6.camel@pc-notebook> References: <1189893712l.4514l.0l@castello> <1189927590.46ecdaa6dd7ab@ssl.mecca.ca> <1189949073.11983.6.camel@pc-notebook> Message-ID: <6e24a8e80709161200r5a546b74m41ef922cf70d5647@mail.gmail.com> If were naming the bad ones.. ^_^ here is a list: https://hosted.fedoraproject.org/projects/echo-icon-theme/wiki/IconThemeStatus In Actions: BAD = Full first, second and third row. In the fourth row only document-save and document-save-as are bad Than i notice some shadow issues.. some shadows are darker than others.. example: go-bottom lighter than go-last Than the media-record icon.. that's just ugly. and there are a dozen icons on that page that aren't "isometric at all" And to continue the ugly ones: system-log-out zoom-* (extremely ugly) system-shutdown and system-standby (those 2 look incomplete...) accessories-text-editor (to dark) preferences-desktop-screensaver (to dark) preferences-desktop-wallpaper (to dark) system-software-update (doesn't fit ECHO at all!!) internet-mail (sorry but it looks strange and too dark take something like [1] or [2]) preferences-desktop-pda (looks like a candy... alternative [3] and [4]) In the category: "Category" i only dislike the following 2: applications-development (to dark) applications-engineering (to dark) applications-other (to dark) preferences-other (stupid non echo box) applications-other (stupid non echo box) preferences-system (looks like candy again) And for just some others: text-html (i ABSOLUTELY hate that icon. i see it with all my php files and it doesn't fit the rest of the default fedora theme at all.. nor does it fit the echo theme. it's again to dark and to much shadow on the paper.) package-x-generic (like said before.. it just doesn't fit the echo theme and it's to dark) Oke about all the echo stuff in general. it seems like the echo icon theme consists of 2 themes. one light and one dark(er). Fedora always seemed to be more on the darker side but Fedora 8 seems to be a light colored os. So to make it fit nicely i thing the icons should be light colored as well. Echo (in it's current state) also has some consistency issues.. look at the shadows in these pictures [5] and [6]. now what shadow is the one that should be used? And last but not least. I'm sorry if i insulted anyone with my critics on some icons. I would also like to help out a little with those icons.. i will see what i can do (playing with inkscape now) [1] http://xxfiredragonxx.deviantart.com/art/3D-mail-icon-26213364 [2] http://justine-r.deviantart.com/art/NIN-Stamps-27780748 [3] http://diciembre7.deviantart.com/art/Gray-Pocket-38029408 [4] http://lightme.deviantart.com/art/tungsten-set-26424392 [5] http://git.fedoraproject.org/?p=hosted/echo-icon-theme;a=blob_plain;f=trunk/Echo/48x48/mimetypes/image-x-generic.png;hb=HEAD [6] http://git.fedoraproject.org/?p=hosted/echo-icon-theme;a=blob_plain;f=trunk/Echo/48x48/mimetypes/audio-x-generic.png;hb=HEAD From mclasen at redhat.com Sun Sep 16 19:32:27 2007 From: mclasen at redhat.com (Matthias Clasen) Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2007 15:32:27 -0400 Subject: Echo bad In-Reply-To: <6e24a8e80709161200r5a546b74m41ef922cf70d5647@mail.gmail.com> References: <1189893712l.4514l.0l@castello> <1189927590.46ecdaa6dd7ab@ssl.mecca.ca> <1189949073.11983.6.camel@pc-notebook> <6e24a8e80709161200r5a546b74m41ef922cf70d5647@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1189971147.4452.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Sun, 2007-09-16 at 21:00 +0200, Mark wrote: > If were naming the bad ones.. ^_^ What Echo needs first and foremost is sufficient coverage. While pointing out inconsistencies on things like shadows or colors is useful, pointing out individual icons that you consider "bad" or "ugly" is unlikely to help. Also, in my experience, it is very hard to judge the quality of an icon theme from a list of all icons in all sizes. When I first saw the echo wiki pages, I thought some of the icons were terrible, and I was very positively surprised when I saw them in use on my desktop. Matthias From martin.sourada at seznam.cz Sun Sep 16 19:35:19 2007 From: martin.sourada at seznam.cz (Martin Sourada) Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2007 21:35:19 +0200 Subject: Echo bad In-Reply-To: <6e24a8e80709161200r5a546b74m41ef922cf70d5647@mail.gmail.com> References: <1189893712l.4514l.0l@castello> <1189927590.46ecdaa6dd7ab@ssl.mecca.ca> <1189949073.11983.6.camel@pc-notebook> <6e24a8e80709161200r5a546b74m41ef922cf70d5647@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1189971319.11983.32.camel@pc-notebook> Huh, that's quite a long list... On Sun, 2007-09-16 at 21:00 +0200, Mark wrote: > If were naming the bad ones.. ^_^ > here is a list: > https://hosted.fedoraproject.org/projects/echo-icon-theme/wiki/IconThemeStatus > > In Actions: > BAD = Full first, second and third row. > In the fourth row only document-save and document-save-as are bad > Here I disagree, I mostly like these... As the not so good ones I see here document-* (with some better exceptions). But the main issue here is that smaller sizes are missing or not very well done (in some cases). > Than i notice some shadow issues.. some shadows are darker than > others.. example: > go-bottom lighter than go-last > Yep, shadows are one of the biggest issues (as they are different in nearly every icon and in wast majority of svgs missing completely). > Than the media-record icon.. that's just ugly. and there are a dozen > icons on that page that aren't "isometric at all" > Well, I cannot say I like it, but I cannot say that it is ugly as well. For me it seems neutral, only the small size is not done very well... Well, and the border is weird. And the action icons are not isometric and will not be isometric. > And to continue the ugly ones: > system-log-out I like it, but it will need a lot of love to make it look good in smaller sizes. > zoom-* (extremely ugly) Not very nice, but not extremely ugly either... > system-shutdown > and > system-standby (those 2 look incomplete...) Yes, I like these (even though the standby one won't be probably used) but they are incomplete. > > accessories-text-editor (to dark) From my point of view it is rather light, but has too big shadow. > preferences-desktop-screensaver (to dark) well, screen that is turned off is usually dark... > preferences-desktop-wallpaper (to dark) same as the above, also many displays I've seen look this way. > system-software-update (doesn't fit ECHO at all!!) The small icon is not very well made, I like the big one though, but I'd rather have a little different type of arrows here (like refresh). > internet-mail (sorry but it looks strange and too dark take something > like [1] or [2]) Agreed, needs some love. The [1] is nice, but not isometric, but very good for reference, the [2] is what I think could be used (with Echo styling) for mail-send. > preferences-desktop-pda (looks like a candy... alternative [3] and [4]) > The alternatives are too complex. Nice, but not good for a good icon. I think this one is nice, but perhaps other colours and some gradients would be better. > In the category: "Category" i only dislike the following 2: Hey, the mail asking for comments was here for more than a week and noone complained, so I uploaded them to git. And actually, the list is longer than 2 ;-) > applications-development (to dark) the darkness must really be subjective - I see at least that the handle is rather brighter... > applications-engineering (to dark) > applications-other (to dark) again disagree... > preferences-other (stupid non echo box) > applications-other (stupid non echo box) What's non-echo on it? I fail to see the reason here. It's box and it's carton-paper box. It has echo colours, echo shadows, echo gradients, echo lightning. What else you expect from echo? No boxes? ;-) > preferences-system (looks like candy again) > It's the handles, isn't it... They use quite strong candy-like colours. > And for just some others: > text-html (i ABSOLUTELY hate that icon. i see it with all my php files > and it doesn't fit the rest of the default fedora theme at all.. nor > does it fit the echo theme. it's again to dark and to much shadow on > the paper.) Well, again, I don't hate it, but I don't like it either. The Bluecurve globe must go. > package-x-generic (like said before.. it just doesn't fit the echo > theme and it's to dark) > same as the other icons with the box. > Oke about all the echo stuff in general. it seems like the echo icon > theme consists of 2 themes. one light and one dark(er). Fedora always > seemed to be more on the darker side but Fedora 8 seems to be a light > colored os. So to make it fit nicely i thing the icons should be light > colored as well. > Well, now we have bright theme, in F9 there can be again dark theme, we do not know and we do not restrain ourselves in this way. An icon theme should fit both. I don't think that light and darker icons make two themes, in real life there are also dark and light things at the same time ;-) > Echo (in it's current state) also has some consistency issues.. look > at the shadows in these pictures [5] and [6]. now what shadow is the > one that should be used? > Agreed. I'd suggest to use the [6] one. IMHO, looks nicer. > And last but not least. I'm sorry if i insulted anyone with my critics > on some icons. Well, hate is rather strong word, but for my part, I can get over it :) > I would also like to help out a little with those icons.. i will see > what i can do (playing with inkscape now) > Looking forward it :) Martin > [1] http://xxfiredragonxx.deviantart.com/art/3D-mail-icon-26213364 > [2] http://justine-r.deviantart.com/art/NIN-Stamps-27780748 > [3] http://diciembre7.deviantart.com/art/Gray-Pocket-38029408 > [4] http://lightme.deviantart.com/art/tungsten-set-26424392 > [5] http://git.fedoraproject.org/?p=hosted/echo-icon-theme;a=blob_plain;f=trunk/Echo/48x48/mimetypes/image-x-generic.png;hb=HEAD > [6] http://git.fedoraproject.org/?p=hosted/echo-icon-theme;a=blob_plain;f=trunk/Echo/48x48/mimetypes/audio-x-generic.png;hb=HEAD -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From martin.sourada at seznam.cz Sun Sep 16 19:41:03 2007 From: martin.sourada at seznam.cz (Martin Sourada) Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2007 21:41:03 +0200 Subject: Echo bad In-Reply-To: <1189971147.4452.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1189893712l.4514l.0l@castello> <1189927590.46ecdaa6dd7ab@ssl.mecca.ca> <1189949073.11983.6.camel@pc-notebook> <6e24a8e80709161200r5a546b74m41ef922cf70d5647@mail.gmail.com> <1189971147.4452.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1189971663.11983.36.camel@pc-notebook> On Sun, 2007-09-16 at 21:32 +0200, Matthias Clasen wrote: > On Sun, 2007-09-16 at 21:00 +0200, Mark wrote: > > If were naming the bad ones.. ^_^ > > What Echo needs first and foremost is sufficient coverage. > Agreed, comments regarding the new ToDo page I created [1] would be more then welcome and help in creating icons even more than that. > While pointing out inconsistencies on things like shadows or > colors is useful, pointing out individual icons that you consider > "bad" or "ugly" is unlikely to help. > Yep, I hope, when I have some more time, to make some wiki pages dedicated specially to the issues. Just find the issues, sort the issues list the issues, so that we know what needs to be fixed. > Also, in my experience, it is very hard to judge the quality of an icon > theme from a list of all icons in all sizes. When I first saw the echo > wiki pages, I thought some of the icons were terrible, and I was very > positively surprised when I saw them in use on my desktop. > Agreed. Martin References: [1] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/EchoIconTheme/EchoToDo/Menus > Matthias > -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From markg85 at gmail.com Sun Sep 16 20:21:45 2007 From: markg85 at gmail.com (Mark) Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2007 22:21:45 +0200 Subject: Echo bad In-Reply-To: <1189971663.11983.36.camel@pc-notebook> References: <1189893712l.4514l.0l@castello> <1189927590.46ecdaa6dd7ab@ssl.mecca.ca> <1189949073.11983.6.camel@pc-notebook> <6e24a8e80709161200r5a546b74m41ef922cf70d5647@mail.gmail.com> <1189971147.4452.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1189971663.11983.36.camel@pc-notebook> Message-ID: <6e24a8e80709161321s44b77274s63823fde02d67881@mail.gmail.com> Thanx for the quick reply's at this moment i'm still kinda struggling with inkshape and i'm stuck with it. 1. Oke. the SVG's don't have the shodows that i see in the png? so how do you add those in the SVG? 2. how do you make a icon "isometric" in inkscape? is there a tutorial for that somewhere? 3. the git clone gives me a some folders and some SVG folders... which one is the latest one with the newest SVG's? 4. the files in the trunk/Echo/scalable/mimetypes folder nearly all start with: gnome-mime-* why? the trac "IconThemeStatus" page doesn't have that. And in this folder i also see no shadows at all while all the png's have those shadows. Thanx. From nisses.mail at home.se Sun Sep 16 22:55:09 2007 From: nisses.mail at home.se (Andreas Nilsson) Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 00:55:09 +0200 Subject: Fedora 8 Test 2 Icon Review In-Reply-To: <46EBD882.4040107@home.se> References: <46EB6236.2080509@redhat.com> <46EBD882.4040107@home.se> Message-ID: <46EDB44D.4000202@home.se> Andreas Nilsson wrote: > M?ir?n Duffy wrote: >> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/F8Themes/IconReview_Fedora_8_Icon_Review >> > Totally! Always worth it as it makes stuff look sharp and professional. > > graphics: > gthumb - Fixed in trunk already > fedora icon - here [1] > > internet: > blog entry poster: what app is this? > contacts: http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=467115 > e-mail: also http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=467115 > ekiga: I know there is a sharp icon around, but I can't find the bug > #. I'll look into this. > x-chat: http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=375579 > > office: > abiword: I've submitted a fix [2], but the abiword developers haven't > had time to put it in yet. > gnumeric: vdepizzol did this and sent it off to the maintainer, weird > that's it's not upsteam yet. [3] > tasks: also http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=467115 ...and even more coming: sound & video cd-player: I was a bit suprised that this app was still part of the desktop release. A quick workaround might be to use devices/media-optical system tools: bluetooth analyzer: there is a good bluetooth icon around, I'll see if I can find it Bluetooth filesharing: this one could become problematic if used on a background using the same blue as the icon. I'll see if I can come up with something better. new login: Hylke Bons drew a better icon for this [1], can't recall the bug number though. disk usage analyzer: Seems it only installs the icon in the scalable size. Will look into this. root-password, selinux etc: will put these on my todo Administration: about Gnome: hm, this is weird, works well on a ubuntu install (gnome 2.18) over here, but not on my foresight vmware image (gnome 2.20). Could be a idea to have the desktop-file refer to "Icon=start-here" instead of Icon=gnome-logo-icon-transparent. about fedora: same as above [2] Authentication: what app is this? bootloader: could use "Icon=boot" in the desktop file. date&time: http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=400609 keyboard: should use "Icon=preferences-desktop-keyboard" in the desktop file. language: should use "Icon=preferences-desktop-locale" in the desktop file. login window: could use a modified version of Hylke's icon [1]. I'll open a bug about this. network: should use "Icon=preferences-system-network" in the desktop file. services: hm, there is application-system soundcard detection: there is devices/sound-card Personal: keyboard icons: preferences-desktop-keyboard could be used. I assume the planned merge [3] of all the keyboard preferences will take care of this preferred applications: http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=397312 Look&feel: desktop effects: I know Lapo Calamandrei have one for this around. Internet & network bluetooth: same as above. System; database access properties: I might have a replacement icon around. That's all I can think of for now. - Andreas 1. http://tango.freedesktop.org/Tango_Fridays#Friday_November_17th 2. http://www.stephenbrandt.com/tango-icons/fedora/ 3. http://mail.gnome.org/archives/gnomecc-list/2007-September/msg00003.html From duffy at redhat.com Mon Sep 17 03:19:37 2007 From: duffy at redhat.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?M=E1ir=EDn_Duffy?=) Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2007 23:19:37 -0400 Subject: Infinity GDM mockup In-Reply-To: <1188303492.6360.4.camel@pc-notebook> References: <1188303492.6360.4.camel@pc-notebook> Message-ID: <46EDF249.6070308@redhat.com> Okay, I have a working GDM theme now, it mostly uses the work done by Tobias Oelgarte for Avio. If you'd like to try it out, you can add the following file to the System > Administration > Login Window theme area: http://duffy.fedorapeople.org/art/infinity/FedoraInfinityGDM.tar.gz Give it a try and let me know if you see any issues. ~m From mclasen at redhat.com Mon Sep 17 04:39:39 2007 From: mclasen at redhat.com (Matthias Clasen) Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 00:39:39 -0400 Subject: Infinity GDM mockup In-Reply-To: <46EDF249.6070308@redhat.com> References: <1188303492.6360.4.camel@pc-notebook> <46EDF249.6070308@redhat.com> Message-ID: <1190003979.15061.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Sun, 2007-09-16 at 23:19 -0400, M?ir?n Duffy wrote: > Okay, I have a working GDM theme now, it mostly uses the work done by > Tobias Oelgarte for Avio. If you'd like to try it out, you can add the > following file to the System > Administration > Login Window theme area: > > http://duffy.fedorapeople.org/art/infinity/FedoraInfinityGDM.tar.gz > > Give it a try and let me know if you see any issues. Looks pretty nice. Here is a screenshot that shows some problems with the user list. If you have enough users to make the list scroll, you notice that a) the theming of the scrollbar is not ideal and b) the last item "leaks" out. It actually overlaps the "wrong password" messaged that may appear below the list. Also, I note the following warning: Sep 17 00:33:38 localhost gdmgreeter[14915]: WARNING: Theme broken: must have pam-message label! -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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If you'd like to try it out, you can add the > following file to the System > Administration > Login Window theme area: > > http://duffy.fedorapeople.org/art/infinity/FedoraInfinityGDM.tar.gz > > Give it a try and let me know if you see any issues. > > ~m > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list > -- ~Michael http://ridleytx.structed.net (for now) http://www.michaelbox.net (eventually) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Mon Sep 17 06:35:36 2007 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 09:35:36 +0300 Subject: Echo bad In-Reply-To: <6e24a8e80709161321s44b77274s63823fde02d67881@mail.gmail.com> References: <1189893712l.4514l.0l@castello> <1189927590.46ecdaa6dd7ab@ssl.mecca.ca> <1189949073.11983.6.camel@pc-notebook> <6e24a8e80709161200r5a546b74m41ef922cf70d5647@mail.gmail.com> <1189971147.4452.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1189971663.11983.36.camel@pc-notebook> <6e24a8e80709161321s44b77274s63823fde02d67881@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <46EE2038.1090106@nicubunu.ro> Mark wrote: > Thanx for the quick reply's > at this moment i'm still kinda struggling with inkshape and i'm stuck with it. > > 1. Oke. the SVG's don't have the shodows that i see in the png? so how > do you add those in the SVG? This is because at first Echo was developed with Illustrator (Diana's choice) and Illustrator such for SVG, so the shadow was added later as raster. In the meantime Inkscape got the Gaussian Blur filter (long time ago, over half year) so this should be used to create the shadow. > 2. how do you make a icon "isometric" in inkscape? is there a tutorial > for that somewhere? I think there was somewhere a SVG with a grid to import and draw using it as a reference. -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Mon Sep 17 06:43:49 2007 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 09:43:49 +0300 Subject: Fedora 8 Test 2 Desktop Live Echo Icon Review In-Reply-To: <1189967847l.3520l.0l@castello> References: <1189948926.11983.3.camel@pc-notebook> <1189950272l.3856l.0l@castello> <46ED7641.4060005@home.se> <1189967847l.3520l.0l@castello> Message-ID: <46EE2225.30406@nicubunu.ro> Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek wrote: > > I can't say "I love Echo", because I would lie. Nobody asked that, but "I do not like Echo" is a world apart than "I hate Echo" (I am also not a huge fan of Echo) > Good example of non-shiny icons are Windows XP icons, but shiness makes > icons look professional - look at unprofessional Windows Vista. There is a thing about balance: the icons should not be excessively shiny but also not too bland and the right balance is hard to get, but successive iterations and constructive feed-back will help. -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Mon Sep 17 07:25:21 2007 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 10:25:21 +0300 Subject: Infinity GDM mockup In-Reply-To: <46EDF249.6070308@redhat.com> References: <1188303492.6360.4.camel@pc-notebook> <46EDF249.6070308@redhat.com> Message-ID: <46EE2BE1.4010905@nicubunu.ro> M?ir?n Duffy wrote: > Okay, I have a working GDM theme now, it mostly uses the work done by > Tobias Oelgarte for Avio. If you'd like to try it out, you can add the It seems easier to edit compared with Flying High, where de dialog was composed from a lot of blocks. Would it be better to use DejaVu fonts instead of Bitstream Vera used now? > following file to the System > Administration > Login Window theme area: > > http://duffy.fedorapeople.org/art/infinity/FedoraInfinityGDM.tar.gz > > Give it a try and let me know if you see any issues. Well done! But I caught you! :D The preview (screenshot.png) is doctored, it does not show the real background (but I believe it is the hidden "Borealis" layer for the source SVG) -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Mon Sep 17 07:47:18 2007 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 10:47:18 +0300 Subject: Fedora 8 Test 2 Icon Review In-Reply-To: <46EB6236.2080509@redhat.com> References: <46EB6236.2080509@redhat.com> Message-ID: <46EE3106.5040003@nicubunu.ro> M?ir?n Duffy wrote: > > Is it worth it to take some time to make sure the initial set of icons > in the menus for a default Fedora install all have perfect and > consistent coverage? Is it possible to address all these issues? The "web browser" and "email" icon are placed (as they should be, as essential applications) in the default panel as well as in the Internet menu. I think is wrong to have icons in such prominent places using a non-default theme (they are Bluecurve). -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From martin.sourada at seznam.cz Mon Sep 17 08:54:09 2007 From: martin.sourada at seznam.cz (Martin Sourada) Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 10:54:09 +0200 Subject: Echo bad In-Reply-To: <6e24a8e80709161321s44b77274s63823fde02d67881@mail.gmail.com> References: <1189893712l.4514l.0l@castello> <1189927590.46ecdaa6dd7ab@ssl.mecca.ca> <1189949073.11983.6.camel@pc-notebook> <6e24a8e80709161200r5a546b74m41ef922cf70d5647@mail.gmail.com> <1189971147.4452.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1189971663.11983.36.camel@pc-notebook> <6e24a8e80709161321s44b77274s63823fde02d67881@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1190019249.11983.45.camel@pc-notebook> On Sun, 2007-09-16 at 22:21 +0200, Mark wrote: > Thanx for the quick reply's > at this moment i'm still kinda struggling with inkshape and i'm stuck with it. > > 1. Oke. the SVG's don't have the shodows that i see in the png? so how > do you add those in the SVG? > As Nicu said, use blur filter in Inkscape. > 2. how do you make a icon "isometric" in inkscape? is there a tutorial > for that somewhere? > The grid is downloadable at the guidelines page, section perspective [1]. > 3. the git clone gives me a some folders and some SVG folders... which > one is the latest one with the newest SVG's? > trunk is the latest, sources contains some (not all) svgs for smaller sizes... > 4. the files in the trunk/Echo/scalable/mimetypes folder nearly all > start with: gnome-mime-* why? the trac "IconThemeStatus" page doesn't > have that. And in this folder i also see no shadows at all while all > the png's have those shadows. > These are symlinks, aren't they? And yes, all those are created with Illustrator so has a number of issues (wrong positioning of objects, so that some shading effects got buried so that are invisible, and missing shadows). If you can create out of these SVGs that after export to 48x48 png will look precisely the same as the 48x48 pngs, it will be much appreciated (and as it is almost impossible to achieve precisely original look, I'd advice to make the SVG look like you think is the best and then recreate the png). Also, the mimetypes terribly needs 16x16 size (e.g. for display in gtk file dialog), if you could work on these it would me much appreciated. :) Thanks, Martin > Thanx. > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From nicolas.mailhot at laposte.net Mon Sep 17 09:06:35 2007 From: nicolas.mailhot at laposte.net (Nicolas Mailhot) Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 11:06:35 +0200 (CEST) Subject: Infinity GDM mockup In-Reply-To: <46EE2BE1.4010905@nicubunu.ro> References: <1188303492.6360.4.camel@pc-notebook> <46EDF249.6070308@redhat.com> <46EE2BE1.4010905@nicubunu.ro> Message-ID: <58754.192.54.193.51.1190019995.squirrel@rousalka.dyndns.org> Le Lun 17 septembre 2007 09:25, Nicu Buculei a ?crit : > M?ir?n Duffy wrote: >> Okay, I have a working GDM theme now, it mostly uses the work done >> by >> Tobias Oelgarte for Avio. If you'd like to try it out, you can add >> the > > It seems easier to edit compared with Flying High, where de dialog was > composed from a lot of blocks. > Would it be better to use DejaVu fonts instead of Bitstream Vera used > now? Vera is not installed by default in Fedora anymore (even OO.o dropped its Vera dep) so referencing it in new work is bad. Even if the dejavu packages have all sorts of compatibility fallback glue. -- Nicolas Mailhot From liviopl.pl at gmail.com Mon Sep 17 11:20:58 2007 From: liviopl.pl at gmail.com (Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek) Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 13:20:58 +0200 Subject: Echo bad In-Reply-To: <6e24a8e80709161321s44b77274s63823fde02d67881@mail.gmail.com> (from markg85@gmail.com on Sun Sep 16 22:21:45 2007) References: <1189893712l.4514l.0l@castello> <1189927590.46ecdaa6dd7ab@ssl.mecca.ca> <1189949073.11983.6.camel@pc-notebook> <6e24a8e80709161200r5a546b74m41ef922cf70d5647@mail.gmail.com> <1189971147.4452.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1189971663.11983.36.camel@pc-notebook> <6e24a8e80709161321s44b77274s63823fde02d67881@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1190028058l.2066l.0l@castello> So, Fedora 9 will include Echo icons (surely) - I must to be ready for Tangoish-Attack (Tangoish icons replacing all Fedora icons and pixmaps for applications). From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Mon Sep 17 11:26:53 2007 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 16:56:53 +0530 Subject: Echo bad In-Reply-To: <1190028058l.2066l.0l@castello> References: <1189893712l.4514l.0l@castello> <1189927590.46ecdaa6dd7ab@ssl.mecca.ca> <1189949073.11983.6.camel@pc-notebook> <6e24a8e80709161200r5a546b74m41ef922cf70d5647@mail.gmail.com> <1189971147.4452.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1189971663.11983.36.camel@pc-notebook> <6e24a8e80709161321s44b77274s63823fde02d67881@mail.gmail.com> <1190028058l.2066l.0l@castello> Message-ID: <46EE647D.9050808@fedoraproject.org> Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek wrote: > So, Fedora 9 will include Echo icons (surely) As has been said already, that decision will be made depending on how well the theme coverage is among other factors. You might want to avoid making such assertions on your own. Other icon themes can very well exist in parallel with Echo. Rahul From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Mon Sep 17 11:30:03 2007 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 17:00:03 +0530 Subject: Positive review of Fedora 8 test 2 look and feel (including Nodoka) Message-ID: <46EE653B.1050902@fedoraproject.org> Hi http://blogbeebe.blogspot.com/2007/09/fedora-8-test-2-nano-review.html "The look and feel of the entire graphic desktop has been advanced and polished quite a bit from earlier versions, including Fedora 7. The overall color theme is still blue, but the controls and window border use Nodoka, a theme I've never heard of before. Everything has a clean, muted pastel look about it. Somebody finally got the good idea to make the window controls (minimize, maximize, and close) cover the entire bar. It Just Looks Right. The mix of tans, off-whites and whites are done very well. The complete effect is one of restrained quality. F8's look and feel contrasts severely with Vista's Aero (and for that matter Windows XP), with F8's standing head-and-shoulders above anything from Microsoft. The only desktop that compares with equal high quality is Apple's. But then again, that's just my opinion. I would even go so far as to say that F8's look is quite superior to Ubuntu's, either 7.04 or the upcoming 7.10 version. Ubuntu's stock look-and-feel is beginning to look quite dated, and the brown-based theme has not aged well either. " Rahul From mclasen at redhat.com Mon Sep 17 16:46:39 2007 From: mclasen at redhat.com (Matthias Clasen) Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 12:46:39 -0400 Subject: Fedora 8 Test 2 Icon Review In-Reply-To: <46EB6236.2080509@redhat.com> References: <46EB6236.2080509@redhat.com> Message-ID: <1190047599.4134.13.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Sat, 2007-09-15 at 00:40 -0400, M?ir?n Duffy wrote: > Hi folks, > > I installed Fedora 8 Test 2 last night, and after updating it I took > some time tonight to take screenshots of the application menus to show > what the icons look like in a default installation of Fedora (well > except I installed Inkscape, sorry, I couldn't live without it for that > long. :) ) > > Overall, the icon coverage looks pretty good and the icons for the most > part are pretty consistent, but there are still some icons that have > problems. They either look fuzzy, or do not fit the icon theme / don't > look polished. Some of this may be due to technical or packaging issues > I think? I noticed the puplet icon gets less blurry if you increase the > size of GNOME panel. But some issues may be due to there not being an > appropriate icon available or the upstream icon not being that great. > > Is it worth it to take some time to make sure the initial set of icons > in the menus for a default Fedora install all have perfect and > consistent coverage? Is it possible to address all these issues? > > Here's my 'hit list' of icons to address with screenshots, if so: > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/F8Themes/IconReview_Fedora_8_Icon_Review > Can you add gtk-icon-sizes="panel-foobar=24,24:panel-menu=24,24" to your ~/.gtkrc-2.0 and try again ? Does it look better ? From mclasen at redhat.com Mon Sep 17 16:51:37 2007 From: mclasen at redhat.com (Matthias Clasen) Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 12:51:37 -0400 Subject: Fedora 8 Test 2 Icon Review In-Reply-To: <1190047599.4134.13.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <46EB6236.2080509@redhat.com> <1190047599.4134.13.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1190047897.4134.16.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Mon, 2007-09-17 at 12:46 -0400, Matthias Clasen wrote: > > > > Can you add > > gtk-icon-sizes="panel-foobar=24,24:panel-menu=24,24" > > to your ~/.gtkrc-2.0 and try again ? Does it look better ? > So, this helps for apps that only install a 48x48 app icon, like gthumb, but it makes the situation worse for the places where we actually have a 22x22 icon, like file-roller, or the various preference menus. The 22 vs 24 problem should really be fixed, one way or the other. From martin.sourada at seznam.cz Mon Sep 17 17:53:23 2007 From: martin.sourada at seznam.cz (Martin Sourada) Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 19:53:23 +0200 Subject: Fedora 8 Test 2 Icon Review In-Reply-To: <1190047897.4134.16.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <46EB6236.2080509@redhat.com> <1190047599.4134.13.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1190047897.4134.16.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1190051603.3412.6.camel@pc-notebook> On Mon, 2007-09-17 at 18:51 +0200, Matthias Clasen wrote: > On Mon, 2007-09-17 at 12:46 -0400, Matthias Clasen wrote: > > > > > > > > Can you add > > > > gtk-icon-sizes="panel-foobar=24,24:panel-menu=24,24" > > > > to your ~/.gtkrc-2.0 and try again ? Does it look better ? > > > > So, this helps for apps that only install a 48x48 app icon, > like gthumb, but it makes the situation worse for the places > where we actually have a 22x22 icon, like file-roller, or the > various preference menus. The 22 vs 24 problem should really > be fixed, one way or the other. > > In tango icon theme guidelines [1] it is mentioned that the 22x22 size is preferred and gnome also seems to be heading this way, so I'd be inclined to solve it this way (i.e. creating 22x22 icons where missing). Also, during the review I have done for Echo icons, I have found that some applications do not install their icons into the hicolor icon theme while they are recommended to do so [2]. Martin References: [1] http://tango.freedesktop.org/Tango_Icon_Theme_Guidelines [2] http://standards.freedesktop.org/icon-theme-spec/icon-theme-spec-latest.html#install_icons -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From mclasen at redhat.com Mon Sep 17 18:11:42 2007 From: mclasen at redhat.com (Matthias Clasen) Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 14:11:42 -0400 Subject: Fedora 8 Test 2 Icon Review In-Reply-To: <1190051603.3412.6.camel@pc-notebook> References: <46EB6236.2080509@redhat.com> <1190047599.4134.13.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1190047897.4134.16.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1190051603.3412.6.camel@pc-notebook> Message-ID: <1190052702.4134.19.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Mon, 2007-09-17 at 19:53 +0200, Martin Sourada wrote: > On Mon, 2007-09-17 at 18:51 +0200, Matthias Clasen wrote: > > On Mon, 2007-09-17 at 12:46 -0400, Matthias Clasen wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Can you add > > > > > > gtk-icon-sizes="panel-foobar=24,24:panel-menu=24,24" > > > > > > to your ~/.gtkrc-2.0 and try again ? Does it look better ? > > > > > > > So, this helps for apps that only install a 48x48 app icon, > > like gthumb, but it makes the situation worse for the places > > where we actually have a 22x22 icon, like file-roller, or the > > various preference menus. The 22 vs 24 problem should really > > be fixed, one way or the other. > > > > > In tango icon theme guidelines [1] it is mentioned that the 22x22 size > is preferred and gnome also seems to be heading this way, so I'd be > inclined to solve it this way (i.e. creating 22x22 icons where missing). > > Also, during the review I have done for Echo icons, I have found that > some applications do not install their icons into the hicolor icon theme > while they are recommended to do so [2]. 22x22 is just a really bad idea, since it breaks everybody who follows the earlier recommendation to install a 48x48, which scales down nicely to 24x24. Also in the age of rising dpi, it doesn't make much sense to make icons even smaller... From markg85 at gmail.com Mon Sep 17 18:27:20 2007 From: markg85 at gmail.com (Mark) Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 20:27:20 +0200 Subject: Echo: "package-x-generic" attempt Message-ID: <6e24a8e80709171127x7fff150dye94331af4b10581@mail.gmail.com> Hey, There was another topic here (Echo bad) where i filed my "list" of complaints about alot of the current echo icon theme. One of them is the package-x-generic icon (or just the update/box icon). So i grabbed the SVG and edited it here and there. I also changed the sizes a little (fatter border and a few minor things). Please note that this is my first ever edit in SVG files and my first time in inkscape (all edits are done in inkscape). I don't know (yet) how to export the png's of all sizes (16px, 22px, 24px 32px etc... help would be welcome here). So here are the icons. PNG [1] and SVG [2]. I hope you guys like it and i hope that this makes it way in the Echo theme. Note: this icon is still WIP (Work In Progress). [1] http://fedora.mageprojects.com/package-x-generic/package-x-generic_256.png [2] http://fedora.mageprojects.com/package-x-generic/package-x-generic.svg From tshimulu at gmail.com Mon Sep 17 19:00:03 2007 From: tshimulu at gmail.com (Luya Tshimbalanga) Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 12:00:03 -0700 Subject: Echo: "package-x-generic" attempt In-Reply-To: <6e24a8e80709171127x7fff150dye94331af4b10581@mail.gmail.com> References: <6e24a8e80709171127x7fff150dye94331af4b10581@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <46EECEB3.5060506@gmail.com> Mark a ?crit : > Please note that this is my first ever edit in SVG files and my first > time in inkscape (all edits are done in inkscape). > Ok. > I don't know (yet) how to export the png's of all sizes (16px, 22px, > 24px 32px etc... help would be welcome here). > File->Export to bitmap. Choose Page tab. You can also preview bitmap icon on Display->Icon Preview. > So here are the icons. PNG [1] and SVG [2]. > > I hope you guys like it and i hope that this makes it way in the Echo theme. > Note: this icon is still WIP (Work In Progress). > Hmm, the color for the box is weird. The shadow should be more sighylu on upper right. Luya From martin.sourada at seznam.cz Mon Sep 17 19:12:08 2007 From: martin.sourada at seznam.cz (Martin Sourada) Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 21:12:08 +0200 Subject: Fedora 8 Test 2 Icon Review In-Reply-To: <1190052702.4134.19.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <46EB6236.2080509@redhat.com> <1190047599.4134.13.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1190047897.4134.16.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1190051603.3412.6.camel@pc-notebook> <1190052702.4134.19.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1190056328.3412.10.camel@pc-notebook> On Mon, 2007-09-17 at 20:11 +0200, Matthias Clasen wrote: > On Mon, 2007-09-17 at 19:53 +0200, Martin Sourada wrote: > > On Mon, 2007-09-17 at 18:51 +0200, Matthias Clasen wrote: > > > On Mon, 2007-09-17 at 12:46 -0400, Matthias Clasen wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can you add > > > > > > > > gtk-icon-sizes="panel-foobar=24,24:panel-menu=24,24" > > > > > > > > to your ~/.gtkrc-2.0 and try again ? Does it look better ? > > > > > > > > > > So, this helps for apps that only install a 48x48 app icon, > > > like gthumb, but it makes the situation worse for the places > > > where we actually have a 22x22 icon, like file-roller, or the > > > various preference menus. The 22 vs 24 problem should really > > > be fixed, one way or the other. > > > > > > > > In tango icon theme guidelines [1] it is mentioned that the 22x22 size > > is preferred and gnome also seems to be heading this way, so I'd be > > inclined to solve it this way (i.e. creating 22x22 icons where missing). > > > > Also, during the review I have done for Echo icons, I have found that > > some applications do not install their icons into the hicolor icon theme > > while they are recommended to do so [2]. > > 22x22 is just a really bad idea, since it breaks everybody who follows > the earlier recommendation to install a 48x48, which scales down nicely > to 24x24. Also in the age of rising dpi, it doesn't make much sense to > make icons even smaller... > And therefore enforces the creation of smaller sizes which is good, because not every icon that looks good at 48x48 is good at 24x24 - there are four times less pixels... I don't know whether making smaller icons makes sense or not, but the trend is here and I think we should follow it. Tango does this, Gnome as well, why we should differ? Thanks, Martin -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From luya_tfz at thefinalzone.com Mon Sep 17 18:27:15 2007 From: luya_tfz at thefinalzone.com (Luya Tshimbalanga) Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 11:27:15 -0700 Subject: Revised Echo guideline draft Message-ID: <46EEC703.70107@thefinalzone.com> I made some modifications on the draft Echo guideline concerning. 22x22 and 24x24 is grouped on small category size. Missing in the draft are an illustration of the lighting and shadow that will be sightly altered. Stay tuned. Suggestion is welcome. Luya From liviopl.pl at gmail.com Mon Sep 17 19:41:00 2007 From: liviopl.pl at gmail.com (Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek) Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 21:41:00 +0200 Subject: Echo: "package-x-generic" attempt In-Reply-To: <6e24a8e80709171127x7fff150dye94331af4b10581@mail.gmail.com> (from markg85@gmail.com on Mon Sep 17 20:27:20 2007) References: <6e24a8e80709171127x7fff150dye94331af4b10581@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1190058060l.2266l.0l@castello> Three words: I LOVE IT :D !!! Ok, ok, emotions ;) . This icon is great: bright... nice! From martin.sourada at seznam.cz Mon Sep 17 19:56:38 2007 From: martin.sourada at seznam.cz (Martin Sourada) Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 21:56:38 +0200 Subject: Echo: "package-x-generic" attempt In-Reply-To: <1190058060l.2266l.0l@castello> References: <6e24a8e80709171127x7fff150dye94331af4b10581@mail.gmail.com> <1190058060l.2266l.0l@castello> Message-ID: <1190058998.3412.21.camel@pc-notebook> On Mon, 2007-09-17 at 21:41 +0200, Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek wrote: > Three words: I LOVE IT :D !!! > Ok, ok, emotions ;) . > Seems you two have quite a lot different taste from me and Luya. I completely dislike this icon... > This icon is great: bright... nice! > Yep, that's the problem for me. It's too bright and does not fit the rest of the echo at all. It has number of issues, like wrong shadowing, colours too much different from the Echo Colour palette, partly missing outline, etc. I must say, that even though I know that the original icon also has some of the above mentioned issues, I like it very much (and a lot more than this one)... If you'd like to know, which lightness I'd like more, look at the Gnome or Tango Icon theme (they use different colour hues, however). Both can be viewed from this page: http://people.freedesktop.org/~jimmac/icons/ Martin -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From liviopl.pl at gmail.com Mon Sep 17 20:19:45 2007 From: liviopl.pl at gmail.com (Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek) Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 22:19:45 +0200 Subject: Echo: Wrong metaphor for save/save as Message-ID: <1190060385l.2070l.0l@castello> Hi, it's me, again. I want to tell you about save and save as icons: they're using wrong metaphor. Tango! and GNOME migrated from floppy icon to hdd. You should too. From martin.sourada at seznam.cz Mon Sep 17 20:28:58 2007 From: martin.sourada at seznam.cz (Martin Sourada) Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 22:28:58 +0200 Subject: Echo: Wrong metaphor for save/save as In-Reply-To: <1190060385l.2070l.0l@castello> References: <1190060385l.2070l.0l@castello> Message-ID: <1190060938.3412.25.camel@pc-notebook> On Mon, 2007-09-17 at 22:19 +0200, Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek wrote: > Hi, it's me, again. > > I want to tell you about save and save as icons: they're using wrong > metaphor. > Tango! and GNOME migrated from floppy icon to hdd. You should too. > +1 from me, but I would list this as a very low priority one... Martin -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From markg85 at gmail.com Mon Sep 17 20:46:12 2007 From: markg85 at gmail.com (Mark) Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 22:46:12 +0200 Subject: Echo: "package-x-generic" attempt In-Reply-To: <1190058998.3412.21.camel@pc-notebook> References: <6e24a8e80709171127x7fff150dye94331af4b10581@mail.gmail.com> <1190058060l.2266l.0l@castello> <1190058998.3412.21.camel@pc-notebook> Message-ID: <6e24a8e80709171346s7aa309c5qa5248636489eae8e@mail.gmail.com> Interesting reply's i will make a second attempt and this time with those icon guidelines + color palette. @ Martin: "partly missing outline" What do you mean by that? From luya_tfz at thefinalzone.com Mon Sep 17 20:47:08 2007 From: luya_tfz at thefinalzone.com (Luya Tshimbalanga) Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 13:47:08 -0700 Subject: Echo: Wrong metaphor for save/save as In-Reply-To: <1190060385l.2070l.0l@castello> References: <1190060385l.2070l.0l@castello> Message-ID: <46EEE7CC.3060600@thefinalzone.com> Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek a ?crit : > Hi, it's me, again. > > I want to tell you about save and save as icons: they're using wrong > metaphor. > You mean the very old metaphor that exist ssince the use of the old floppy disk back to the 80's. BTW, are you the guy who attended at Libre Graphics Meeting 2007 at Montreal with cellphone drawing demonstration using Inkscape? Luya From martin.sourada at seznam.cz Mon Sep 17 20:53:02 2007 From: martin.sourada at seznam.cz (Martin Sourada) Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 22:53:02 +0200 Subject: Echo: "package-x-generic" attempt In-Reply-To: <6e24a8e80709171346s7aa309c5qa5248636489eae8e@mail.gmail.com> References: <6e24a8e80709171127x7fff150dye94331af4b10581@mail.gmail.com> <1190058060l.2266l.0l@castello> <1190058998.3412.21.camel@pc-notebook> <6e24a8e80709171346s7aa309c5qa5248636489eae8e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1190062382.3412.29.camel@pc-notebook> On Mon, 2007-09-17 at 22:46 +0200, Mark wrote: > Interesting reply's > i will make a second attempt and this time with those icon guidelines > + color palette. > > @ Martin: "partly missing outline" > > What do you mean by that? You maybe call it border. I see it only on the bottom parts of the nox and that's wrong. It should be around whole box - it helps to define the shape against various backgrounds. Martin -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From luya_tfz at thefinalzone.com Sun Sep 16 18:44:06 2007 From: luya_tfz at thefinalzone.com (Luya Tshimbalanga) Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2007 11:44:06 -0700 Subject: Fedora 8 Test 2 Desktop Live Echo Icon Review Message-ID: <46ED7976.4030503@thefinalzone.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 > In my opinion it is better to use Mist iconset even in F9, F10 etc. Don't you think it is premature given neither release is out and there are about six mounths distance? >Echo on this stage aren't ready. Also, Echo will be messing around >with style. GNOME uses beautiful, bright, contrasted icons which are >perfect for bright and dark GTK themes - Echo icons are looking ugly on >buttons and other widgets. Ugly is subjective given the fact there are users who like Echo iconsets. This is currently the status. You assumed Echo will stay at the same stage for a long time. We shall see how the final version will turn out. It is hard to please everybody, it is life. =) Luya -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFG7Xl0a10Jb0NOz+ERAvBKAJ0W0s4RUvfr6y+JtYLGVXgH1JhhogCfd213 Zpqz3Z9ExgM7gx9QUhVPoZM= =XVAt -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From roguexz at gmail.com Mon Sep 17 21:07:08 2007 From: roguexz at gmail.com (Rogue) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 02:37:08 +0530 Subject: Fedora 8 Test 2 Icon Review In-Reply-To: <1190056328.3412.10.camel@pc-notebook> References: <46EB6236.2080509@redhat.com> <1190047599.4134.13.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1190047897.4134.16.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1190051603.3412.6.camel@pc-notebook> <1190052702.4134.19.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1190056328.3412.10.camel@pc-notebook> Message-ID: <46EEEC7C.3050100@gmail.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Martin Sourada wrote: >>> Also, during the review I have done for Echo icons, I have found that >>> some applications do not install their icons into the hicolor icon theme >>> while they are recommended to do so [2]. >> 22x22 is just a really bad idea, since it breaks everybody who follows >> the earlier recommendation to install a 48x48, which scales down nicely >> to 24x24. Also in the age of rising dpi, it doesn't make much sense to >> make icons even smaller... >> > > And therefore enforces the creation of smaller sizes which is good, > because not every icon that looks good at 48x48 is good at 24x24 - there > are four times less pixels... I don't know whether making smaller icons > makes sense or not, but the trend is here and I think we should follow > it. Tango does this, Gnome as well, why we should differ? I am no UI expert, but from a maintainability perspective, if we were ascertain the sizes that we would like to use, wouldn't that work out better in the long run? I mean, a 22x22 as well as a 24x24 sounds like a maintenance nightmare to me. Is there a sound reasoning why we have both of them? later, Rogue > > Thanks, > Martin -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFG7ux8ceS9IQvx51YRAkp7AJ9PtZJuxinZKP1lVomilU0hh222JQCguTvf AXq3TSglSyvV9OCtrKWgaRI= =Pxuj -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From luya_tfz at thefinalzone.com Mon Sep 17 17:35:56 2007 From: luya_tfz at thefinalzone.com (Luya Tshimbalanga) Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 10:35:56 -0700 Subject: Fedora 8 Test 2 Desktop Live Echo Icon Review In-Reply-To: <46ED7976.4030503@thefinalzone.com> References: <46ED7976.4030503@thefinalzone.com> Message-ID: <46EEBAFC.5030104@thefinalzone.com> Repost, for some reasons the reply won't show up on mail-list. > > In my opinion it is better to use Mist iconset even in F9, F10 etc. Don't you think it is premature given neither release is out and there areabout six mounths distance? > > > Echo on this stage aren't ready. Also, Echo will be messing around > > with style. GNOME uses beautiful, bright, contrasted icons which are > > perfect for bright and dark GTK themes - Echo icons are looking ugly on > > buttons and other widgets. Ugly is subjective given the fact there are users who like Echo iconsets. This is currently the status. You assumed Echo will stay at the same stage for a long time. We shall see how the final version will turn out. It is hard to please everybody, it is life. =) Luya From markg85 at gmail.com Mon Sep 17 22:21:26 2007 From: markg85 at gmail.com (Mark) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 00:21:26 +0200 Subject: Echo: "package-x-generic" attempt In-Reply-To: <1190062382.3412.29.camel@pc-notebook> References: <6e24a8e80709171127x7fff150dye94331af4b10581@mail.gmail.com> <1190058060l.2266l.0l@castello> <1190058998.3412.21.camel@pc-notebook> <6e24a8e80709171346s7aa309c5qa5248636489eae8e@mail.gmail.com> <1190062382.3412.29.camel@pc-notebook> Message-ID: <6e24a8e80709171521i2f080cabue56326c75d9584a7@mail.gmail.com> > You maybe call it border. I see it only on the bottom parts of the nox > and that's wrong. It should be around whole box - it helps to define the > shape against various backgrounds. > > Martin O that. the default icon doesn't have that.. i only made the current borders a little fatter i'm making a new icon now from scratch and i try to comply with the colors that are in the wiki [1]. It's looking good so far [1] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/MartinSourada/EchoIconThemeGuidelinesDRAFT From markg85 at gmail.com Mon Sep 17 22:35:03 2007 From: markg85 at gmail.com (Mark) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 00:35:03 +0200 Subject: Echo: "package-x-generic" attempt In-Reply-To: <6e24a8e80709171521i2f080cabue56326c75d9584a7@mail.gmail.com> References: <6e24a8e80709171127x7fff150dye94331af4b10581@mail.gmail.com> <1190058060l.2266l.0l@castello> <1190058998.3412.21.camel@pc-notebook> <6e24a8e80709171346s7aa309c5qa5248636489eae8e@mail.gmail.com> <1190062382.3412.29.camel@pc-notebook> <6e24a8e80709171521i2f080cabue56326c75d9584a7@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <6e24a8e80709171535p52f63e42wc3833aba75c47179@mail.gmail.com> Oke new attempt. I've really outdone myself.. this image is made from scratch I think it looks better and it fits the echo theme (or that's my opinion) Take a look at the images [1] (16x16), [2] (64x64), [3] (128x128), [4] (256x256) and the SVG [5]. The whole box idea is changed in this image. The previous attempt was basically a reskin. This is a rewrite and just how i think it's best.. And there is enough space left in the image to add a update icon INSIDE the box (might look better than the current update icon [6]. (all the software-update-* icons) What do you think of this last creation? Comments? Critics? [1] http://fedora.mageprojects.com/package-x-generic/package-x-generic_2_16.png [2] http://fedora.mageprojects.com/package-x-generic/package-x-generic_2_64.png [3] http://fedora.mageprojects.com/package-x-generic/package-x-generic_2_128.png [4] http://fedora.mageprojects.com/package-x-generic/package-x-generic_2_256.png [5] http://fedora.mageprojects.com/package-x-generic/package-x-generic_2.svg [6] http://git.fedoraproject.org/?p=hosted/echo-icon-theme;a=blob_plain;f=trunk/Echo/48x48/status/software-update-available.png;hb=HEAD From martin.sourada at seznam.cz Mon Sep 17 23:17:21 2007 From: martin.sourada at seznam.cz (Martin Sourada) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 01:17:21 +0200 Subject: Echo: "package-x-generic" attempt In-Reply-To: <6e24a8e80709171535p52f63e42wc3833aba75c47179@mail.gmail.com> References: <6e24a8e80709171127x7fff150dye94331af4b10581@mail.gmail.com> <1190058060l.2266l.0l@castello> <1190058998.3412.21.camel@pc-notebook> <6e24a8e80709171346s7aa309c5qa5248636489eae8e@mail.gmail.com> <1190062382.3412.29.camel@pc-notebook> <6e24a8e80709171521i2f080cabue56326c75d9584a7@mail.gmail.com> <6e24a8e80709171535p52f63e42wc3833aba75c47179@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1190071041.3412.52.camel@pc-notebook> On Tue, 2007-09-18 at 00:35 +0200, Mark wrote: > Oke new attempt. > I've really outdone myself.. this image is made from scratch > I think it looks better and it fits the echo theme (or that's my opinion) > My opinion quite differs from yours, I don't think it fits the Echo theme, bellow I'll explain the most obvious reasons, why. > Take a look at the images [1] (16x16), [2] (64x64), [3] (128x128), [4] > (256x256) and the SVG [5]. > The 16x16 must be flat, not isometric. You must look at your icon for a very long time to actually see what it is. Also, it would be much better if you provided 16x16, 22x22, 32x32 and 48x48 sizes, we really do not use in the theme icons as big as 64x64, 128x128 and 256x256 (for these the SVGs are more than enough). > The whole box idea is changed in this image. The previous attempt was > basically a reskin. This is a rewrite and just how i think it's best.. > And there is enough space left in the image to add a update icon > INSIDE the box (might look better than the current update icon [6]. > (all the software-update-* icons) > I see... IMHO the idea to have it inside the box is not very good, also if you'd try to close the box, there would be a huge hole still. Not a blocker issue, but we try that Echo icons look realistic (to some extent). I see, you added the border, good, but, perhaps make it a little thicker and, that is quite important, add a gradient to it. For the rest of the icon - use rather linear gradients and try to have the brightest spot up and little to right (light shines from up and little to left, try to reflect this). The shadow should be a little around the icon as well, but not much, the main shadow is behind the object and should look like it is dropped by the object (but with simplifications). The colours still do not come from the Echo Palette and are too bright compared to other echo icons. You need not to be tied to the very colours used in the palette but it should not be much different. We usually do not use white or near-white in echo gradients unless the object itself is white or is from the 'bright blue set' (some of the action icons). Also, what material do you suppose your package to be made of? For a box I'd guess a paper (not the white one) or a wood, but neither of these is transparent. Plese avoid using transparency in Echo icons unless you are doing something that is made of glass (or another transparent material), which is very rare in Echo icons. My opinion about this icon is that it would be much better if you just take the existing one, fix the issues it has (shadows and outlines; btw. I already fixed the issues in {applications,preferences}-other, but I also changed the proportions there...) and create smaller sized variants, for me the colour used in it fits the icon best, or at least I haven't seen a better one yet, and comes from the Echo colour palette. Martin > What do you think of this last creation? Comments? Critics? > > [1] http://fedora.mageprojects.com/package-x-generic/package-x-generic_2_16.png > [2] http://fedora.mageprojects.com/package-x-generic/package-x-generic_2_64.png > [3] http://fedora.mageprojects.com/package-x-generic/package-x-generic_2_128.png > [4] http://fedora.mageprojects.com/package-x-generic/package-x-generic_2_256.png > [5] http://fedora.mageprojects.com/package-x-generic/package-x-generic_2.svg > [6] http://git.fedoraproject.org/?p=hosted/echo-icon-theme;a=blob_plain;f=trunk/Echo/48x48/status/software-update-available.png;hb=HEAD > -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From markg85 at gmail.com Tue Sep 18 00:09:54 2007 From: markg85 at gmail.com (Mark) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 02:09:54 +0200 Subject: Echo: "package-x-generic" attempt In-Reply-To: <1190071041.3412.52.camel@pc-notebook> References: <6e24a8e80709171127x7fff150dye94331af4b10581@mail.gmail.com> <1190058060l.2266l.0l@castello> <1190058998.3412.21.camel@pc-notebook> <6e24a8e80709171346s7aa309c5qa5248636489eae8e@mail.gmail.com> <1190062382.3412.29.camel@pc-notebook> <6e24a8e80709171521i2f080cabue56326c75d9584a7@mail.gmail.com> <6e24a8e80709171535p52f63e42wc3833aba75c47179@mail.gmail.com> <1190071041.3412.52.camel@pc-notebook> Message-ID: <6e24a8e80709171709nb878084u2ddd6c4cc60ba545@mail.gmail.com> Oke.. i adjusted some of the critics - Fatter border - no transparency - changed the light a little - changed the shadow a little - changed overall color gradients a little I can't make it so that the box would be gap less when you would close it.. but that's to much of detail for "just an icon"... i'm not gonna twist everything arround because someone wants to _close_ the box ^_^ and besides those big boxes that carry bananas do have those gaps. For the colors.. i've tried a few on the wiki and none come close to the "beauty" that this box has. So i want to follow those color guidelines but not if i can;t make good looking things with those colors. i think i need a Light Brown entry ;) And did you just suggested to use gradients in the lines as well? i've not done them in this edit round. Here are the new images (22, 32 and 48) [1] http://fedora.mageprojects.com/package-x-generic/package-x-generic_3_22.png [2] http://fedora.mageprojects.com/package-x-generic/package-x-generic_3_32.png [3] http://fedora.mageprojects.com/package-x-generic/package-x-generic_3_48.png From liviopl.pl at gmail.com Tue Sep 18 05:08:18 2007 From: liviopl.pl at gmail.com (Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 07:08:18 +0200 Subject: Echo: Wrong metaphor for save/save as In-Reply-To: <46EEE7CC.3060600@thefinalzone.com> (from luya_tfz@thefinalzone.com on Mon Sep 17 22:47:08 2007) References: <1190060385l.2070l.0l@castello> <46EEE7CC.3060600@thefinalzone.com> Message-ID: <1190092098l.1996l.0l@castello> > > BTW, are you the guy who attended at Libre Graphics Meeting 2007 at > Montreal > with cellphone drawing demonstration using Inkscape? > Eee, no. From peterbloomfield at bellsouth.net Tue Sep 18 02:00:25 2007 From: peterbloomfield at bellsouth.net (Peter Bloomfield) Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 22:00:25 -0400 Subject: Tree-view grid lines in Fedora theme Message-ID: <1190080832l.4009l.0l@cp2100> Greetings! I'm a new subscriber to this list. Fedora artwork rocks! I always feel that folks glancing over my shoulder will see a really sophisticated desktop. But (of course, there's a 'but') a recent Fedora default theme sets vertical grid lines in GtkTreeView--and they're not nice subdued gray or gray-blue lines, they're black dotted lines. The effect is so, like, Gtk+-1.10... Could the default be restored to no grid lines? Or, at least, could the lines be made a little more acceptable? And of course, if this is the wrong forum, you'll let me know? Peter -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available URL: From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Tue Sep 18 06:02:19 2007 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 09:02:19 +0300 Subject: Fedora 8 Test 2 Icon Review In-Reply-To: <1190052702.4134.19.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <46EB6236.2080509@redhat.com> <1190047599.4134.13.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1190047897.4134.16.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1190051603.3412.6.camel@pc-notebook> <1190052702.4134.19.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <46EF69EB.7000106@nicubunu.ro> Matthias Clasen wrote: > > 22x22 is just a really bad idea, since it breaks everybody who follows > the earlier recommendation to install a 48x48, which scales down nicely > to 24x24. Also in the age of rising dpi, it doesn't make much sense to > make icons even smaller... Agreed, even the value of 22 seems bizarre, all the other sizes are in a nice, recognizable, progression (16, 24, 32, 48, 64, 72, 96, 128, 192), is like 22x22 was introduced by an evil genius wanting to confuse everyone. -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From nisses.mail at home.se Tue Sep 18 08:14:21 2007 From: nisses.mail at home.se (Andreas Nilsson) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 10:14:21 +0200 Subject: Fedora 8 Test 2 Icon Review In-Reply-To: <46EEEC7C.3050100@gmail.com> References: <46EB6236.2080509@redhat.com> <1190047599.4134.13.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1190047897.4134.16.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1190051603.3412.6.camel@pc-notebook> <1190052702.4134.19.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1190056328.3412.10.camel@pc-notebook> <46EEEC7C.3050100@gmail.com> Message-ID: <46EF88DD.8060208@home.se> Rogue wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > > > Martin Sourada wrote: > >>>> Also, during the review I have done for Echo icons, I have found that >>>> some applications do not install their icons into the hicolor icon theme >>>> while they are recommended to do so [2]. >>>> >>> 22x22 is just a really bad idea, since it breaks everybody who follows >>> the earlier recommendation to install a 48x48, which scales down nicely >>> to 24x24. Also in the age of rising dpi, it doesn't make much sense to >>> make icons even smaller... >>> >>> >> And therefore enforces the creation of smaller sizes which is good, >> because not every icon that looks good at 48x48 is good at 24x24 - there >> are four times less pixels... I don't know whether making smaller icons >> makes sense or not, but the trend is here and I think we should follow >> it. Tango does this, Gnome as well, why we should differ? >> > > I am no UI expert, but from a maintainability perspective, if we were > ascertain the sizes that we would like to use, wouldn't that work out > better in the long run? > > I mean, a 22x22 as well as a 24x24 sounds like a maintenance nightmare > to me. Is there a sound reasoning why we have both of them? > The reason is the KDE Desktop. In order for the icons to look well in qt/kde applications they need to be 22x22. I've spoken to Kenneth Wimer about this and they wanted to change KDE4 to use 24x24 as well (as it's dividable by 8), but it was too late in the process. I'll check what they can do for KDE4.1 and stuff though. I would love to have this issue out of the way. - Andreas From martin.sourada at seznam.cz Tue Sep 18 08:56:13 2007 From: martin.sourada at seznam.cz (Martin Sourada) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 10:56:13 +0200 Subject: Echo: "package-x-generic" attempt In-Reply-To: <6e24a8e80709171709nb878084u2ddd6c4cc60ba545@mail.gmail.com> References: <6e24a8e80709171127x7fff150dye94331af4b10581@mail.gmail.com> <1190058060l.2266l.0l@castello> <1190058998.3412.21.camel@pc-notebook> <6e24a8e80709171346s7aa309c5qa5248636489eae8e@mail.gmail.com> <1190062382.3412.29.camel@pc-notebook> <6e24a8e80709171521i2f080cabue56326c75d9584a7@mail.gmail.com> <6e24a8e80709171535p52f63e42wc3833aba75c47179@mail.gmail.com> <1190071041.3412.52.camel@pc-notebook> <6e24a8e80709171709nb878084u2ddd6c4cc60ba545@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1190105773.3412.60.camel@pc-notebook> On Tue, 2007-09-18 at 02:09 +0200, Mark wrote: > Oke.. > i adjusted some of the critics > - Fatter border > - no transparency > - changed the light a little > - changed the shadow a little > - changed overall color gradients a little > > I can't make it so that the box would be gap less when you would close > it.. but that's to much of detail for "just an icon"... i'm not gonna > twist everything arround because someone wants to _close_ the box ^_^ > and besides those big boxes that carry bananas do have those gaps. > > For the colors.. i've tried a few on the wiki and none come close to > the "beauty" that this box has. So i want to follow those color > guidelines but not if i can;t make good looking things with those > colors. i think i need a Light Brown entry ;) > > And did you just suggested to use gradients in the lines as well? i've > not done them in this edit round. > Here are the new images (22, 32 and 48) > > [1] http://fedora.mageprojects.com/package-x-generic/package-x-generic_3_22.png > [2] http://fedora.mageprojects.com/package-x-generic/package-x-generic_3_32.png > [3] http://fedora.mageprojects.com/package-x-generic/package-x-generic_3_48.png > I'm sorry, but I still don't like it, IMHO it really does not fit the Echo icon theme. But on a more objective note: the icons seems not optimised for the result sizes - i.e. in 48x48 you have blurry the line most to the front, in 22x22 the shape seems too complex for a nice icon. Also, IMHO, if you use the dark brown and medium brown colours from the Echo palette as a base, it would, IMHO, look much better. I still fail to see, which box in real live has the colour you used... (and we are not transporting bananas in the box, but data... ;-) Martin -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From nisses.mail at home.se Tue Sep 18 09:29:19 2007 From: nisses.mail at home.se (Andreas Nilsson) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 11:29:19 +0200 Subject: Fedora 8 Test 2 Icon Review In-Reply-To: <46EDB44D.4000202@home.se> References: <46EB6236.2080509@redhat.com> <46EBD882.4040107@home.se> <46EDB44D.4000202@home.se> Message-ID: <46EF9A6F.6020804@home.se> Quick update. Andreas Nilsson wrote: > Andreas Nilsson wrote: >> M?ir?n Duffy wrote: >>> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/F8Themes/IconReview_Fedora_8_Icon_Review >>> > new login: Hylke Bons drew a better icon for this [1], can't recall > the bug number though. Bug filed: http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=477799 > login window: could use a modified version of Hylke's icon [1]. I'll > open a bug about this. Bug filed: http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=477983 All for now. Looking into the others. - Andreas From markg85 at gmail.com Tue Sep 18 10:06:31 2007 From: markg85 at gmail.com (Mark) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 12:06:31 +0200 Subject: Echo: "package-x-generic" attempt In-Reply-To: <1190105773.3412.60.camel@pc-notebook> References: <6e24a8e80709171127x7fff150dye94331af4b10581@mail.gmail.com> <1190058060l.2266l.0l@castello> <1190058998.3412.21.camel@pc-notebook> <6e24a8e80709171346s7aa309c5qa5248636489eae8e@mail.gmail.com> <1190062382.3412.29.camel@pc-notebook> <6e24a8e80709171521i2f080cabue56326c75d9584a7@mail.gmail.com> <6e24a8e80709171535p52f63e42wc3833aba75c47179@mail.gmail.com> <1190071041.3412.52.camel@pc-notebook> <6e24a8e80709171709nb878084u2ddd6c4cc60ba545@mail.gmail.com> <1190105773.3412.60.camel@pc-notebook> Message-ID: <6e24a8e80709180306x540bc6abm14518de1c0184e5@mail.gmail.com> I will give that color stuff a new attempt.. Could you also give it your best shot? From martin.sourada at seznam.cz Tue Sep 18 14:20:24 2007 From: martin.sourada at seznam.cz (Martin Sourada) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 16:20:24 +0200 Subject: Tree-view grid lines in Fedora theme In-Reply-To: <1190080832l.4009l.0l@cp2100> References: <1190080832l.4009l.0l@cp2100> Message-ID: <1190125224.6908.8.camel@pc-notebook> On Tue, 2007-09-18 at 04:00 +0200, Peter Bloomfield wrote: > Greetings! > > I'm a new subscriber to this list. Fedora artwork rocks! I always feel > that folks glancing over my shoulder will see a really sophisticated > desktop. > > But (of course, there's a 'but') a recent Fedora default theme sets > vertical grid lines in GtkTreeView--and they're not nice subdued gray or > gray-blue lines, they're black dotted lines. The effect is so, like, > Gtk+-1.10... > > Could the default be restored to no grid lines? Or, at least, could the > lines be made a little more acceptable? And of course, if this is the > wrong forum, you'll let me know? > > Peter Hm... I don't know of this in GtkTreeView, could you provide a screenshot? It is however present in list view and can be easily turned of in the gtkrc file (set listviewstyle = 0 in nodoka settings). It is however not much of a issue to release a new version because of it, I'll maybe change it the rpm. And yes, the Nodoka theme is maintained by the art team, so this is the right place to ask about it (though even a better way would be filling a feature request in trac [1]). But thanks for noticing, this somehow slipped my mind... Thanks, Martin References: [1] https://hosted.fedoraproject.org/projects/nodoka/newticket -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From mclasen at redhat.com Tue Sep 18 15:55:38 2007 From: mclasen at redhat.com (Matthias Clasen) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 11:55:38 -0400 Subject: Missing pieces Message-ID: <1190130938.4221.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> As you probably know, we are one week away from test3 freeze, so we need to get the remaining missing pieces of F8 artwork in place. Here is my list: - Login screen. Mo, do you plan to some more work on that this week, or should we put what your first attempt in now ? - Lock dialog. Do we have a working proposal for this ? - Backgrounds. It was my understanding that the current Infinity backgrounds are only preliminary, and need some further work (e.g. reduce the banding). That can probably happen after test3. - Do we want to make some fixes for the menu icon review issues ? Anything else ? From duffy at redhat.com Tue Sep 18 16:13:39 2007 From: duffy at redhat.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?M=E1ir=EDn_Duffy?=) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 12:13:39 -0400 Subject: Missing pieces In-Reply-To: <1190130938.4221.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1190130938.4221.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <46EFF933.40808@redhat.com> Matthias Clasen wrote: > As you probably know, we are one week away from test3 freeze, so we need > to get the remaining missing pieces of F8 artwork in place. Here is my > list: > > - Login screen. Mo, do you plan to some more work on that this week, or > should we put what your first attempt in now ? I'm definitely going to take your feedback and some other feedback and get it done by Friday pm. > - Lock dialog. Do we have a working proposal for this ? Not sure, I think Nicu had done some work on this? > > - Backgrounds. It was my understanding that the current Infinity > backgrounds are only preliminary, and need some further work (e.g. > reduce the banding). That can probably happen after test3. Absolutely, I'll get this done before Friday pm too; there are only 4 now so it will be less work :) > > - Do we want to make some fixes for the menu icon review issues ? Andreas and Steven have given a lot of great info towards fixing some of the identified issues, but I haven't had time to sit down yet and go through all of their feedback. I'm not 100% sure how to fix the problems once a good replacement icon has been identified, for example, I think it would involve setting up some symlinks and modifying some desktop files maybe? It would be great if we could get some fixes in for test 3 though. > Anything else ? I can't think of anything... ~m From mclasen at redhat.com Tue Sep 18 16:33:59 2007 From: mclasen at redhat.com (Matthias Clasen) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 12:33:59 -0400 Subject: Missing pieces In-Reply-To: <46EFF933.40808@redhat.com> References: <1190130938.4221.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> <46EFF933.40808@redhat.com> Message-ID: <1190133239.4221.12.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Tue, 2007-09-18 at 12:13 -0400, M?ir?n Duffy wrote: > > Andreas and Steven have given a lot of great info towards fixing some of > the identified issues, but I haven't had time to sit down yet and go > through all of their feedback. I'm not 100% sure how to fix the problems > once a good replacement icon has been identified, for example, I think > it would involve setting up some symlinks and modifying some desktop > files maybe? Yeah, picking a different icon should generally be done by patching the desktop files, not by adding yet more symlinks to icon themes. Fixing size issues would have to be done by installing the missing sizes, typically in the application package for app icons, or in the icon theme for things like categories, etc. Here is one more odd proposal for avoiding the 22 vs 24 issue. If we set gtk-icon-sizes="panel-foobar=23,23:panel-menu=23,23" it appears to my untrained eyes that both 22 and 24 icons are left unscaled... From nisses.mail at home.se Tue Sep 18 17:11:20 2007 From: nisses.mail at home.se (Andreas Nilsson) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 19:11:20 +0200 Subject: Missing pieces In-Reply-To: <46EFF933.40808@redhat.com> References: <1190130938.4221.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> <46EFF933.40808@redhat.com> Message-ID: <46F006B8.2020002@home.se> M?ir?n Duffy wrote: > Matthias Clasen wrote: >> >> - Do we want to make some fixes for the menu icon review issues ? > > Andreas and Steven have given a lot of great info towards fixing some > of the identified issues, but I haven't had time to sit down yet and > go through all of their feedback. I'm not 100% sure how to fix the > problems once a good replacement icon has been identified, for > example, I think it would involve setting up some symlinks and > modifying some desktop files maybe? > > It would be great if we could get some fixes in for test 3 though. There are some alternatives : 1. Patch the applications in Fedora and send the fixes upstream later. 2. Install the icons from some fedora-art package into either /usr/share/icons/gnome/$size/apps or /usr/share/icons/mist/$size/apps or something, then fix most of the other issues upstream later. 3. Symlinks, but that only works in some cases, as the desktop-files refer to *.png in a couple of cases. - Andreas From duffy at redhat.com Wed Sep 19 04:57:34 2007 From: duffy at redhat.com (=?UTF-8?B?TcOhaXLDrW4gRHVmZnk=?=) Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 00:57:34 -0400 Subject: Infinity GDM mockup In-Reply-To: <1190003979.15061.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1188303492.6360.4.camel@pc-notebook> <46EDF249.6070308@redhat.com> <1190003979.15061.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <46F0AC3E.1040203@redhat.com> Matthias Clasen wrote: > Here is a screenshot that shows some problems with the user list. If you > have enough users to make the list scroll, you notice that a) the > theming of the scrollbar is not ideal and b) the last item "leaks" out. > It actually overlaps the "wrong password" messaged that may appear below > the list. Thanks Matthias and everyone else for the quick and detailed feedback! I've got a new version that hopefully is better: http://duffy.fedorapeople.org/art/infinity/FedoraInfinityGDM.2.tar.gz Here's what I tried to address: * scrollbar fits within boundaries of userlist even for large numbers of users * users in user list do not leak outside of the userlist box. * pam-message added to theme, was previously missing. * pam-error message text made larger and centered at bottom of dialog. userlist no longer overlaps it. * timed-login and caps-lock messages shifted for expansion space for potentially long pam-messages; all placed neatly underneath login box and shold co-exist nicely * updated screenshot that really reflects the actual look of the theme (good catch Nicu!) * all references to Bitstream Vera replaced with references to DejaVu (good catch Nicolas!) I attached a screenshot of a full user list too for reference. I can't think of any other issues that might crop up - it seems all of the text has sufficient space for expansion to account for translations and such. If you see anything else do let me know. ~m -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: gdmthemev2screenshot.png Type: image/png Size: 103749 bytes Desc: not available URL: From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Wed Sep 19 06:46:49 2007 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 09:46:49 +0300 Subject: Missing pieces In-Reply-To: <46EFF933.40808@redhat.com> References: <1190130938.4221.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> <46EFF933.40808@redhat.com> Message-ID: <46F0C5D9.6000101@nicubunu.ro> M?ir?n Duffy wrote: > Matthias Clasen wrote: >> As you probably know, we are one week away from test3 freeze, so we need >> to get the remaining missing pieces of F8 artwork in place. Here is my >> list: > >> - Lock dialog. Do we have a working proposal for this ? > > Not sure, I think Nicu had done some work on this? Yeah, until I hit the wall with my [lack of] Glade knowledge. If the dialog will remain the same, it should use at least an updated background PNG as in https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-art-list/2007-September/msg00012.html -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Wed Sep 19 07:17:33 2007 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 12:47:33 +0530 Subject: Infinity GDM mockup In-Reply-To: <46F0AC3E.1040203@redhat.com> References: <1188303492.6360.4.camel@pc-notebook> <46EDF249.6070308@redhat.com> <1190003979.15061.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> <46F0AC3E.1040203@redhat.com> Message-ID: <46F0CD0D.9000509@fedoraproject.org> M?ir?n Duffy wrote: > Matthias Clasen wrote: >> Here is a screenshot that shows some problems with the user list. If you >> have enough users to make the list scroll, you notice that a) the >> theming of the scrollbar is not ideal and b) the last item "leaks" out. >> It actually overlaps the "wrong password" messaged that may appear below >> the list. > > Thanks Matthias and everyone else for the quick and detailed feedback! > I've got a new version that hopefully is better: > > http://duffy.fedorapeople.org/art/infinity/FedoraInfinityGDM.2.tar.gz The amount of options seems to be a bit high and makes the interface appear cluttered and the square big borders appears rigid. I like Steven's mockup at http://actsofvolition.com/images/screenshots/fedora/gdm-infinity5.png much better. Thinner borders and the number of options at three seems just right. Fonts colors are less contrasting. The shadows are highlighted better. Rahul From martin.sourada at seznam.cz Wed Sep 19 07:48:10 2007 From: martin.sourada at seznam.cz (Martin Sourada) Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 09:48:10 +0200 Subject: Infinity GDM mockup In-Reply-To: <46F0AC3E.1040203@redhat.com> References: <1188303492.6360.4.camel@pc-notebook> <46EDF249.6070308@redhat.com> <1190003979.15061.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> <46F0AC3E.1040203@redhat.com> Message-ID: <1190188090.6908.41.camel@pc-notebook> On Wed, 2007-09-19 at 06:57 +0200, M?ir?n Duffy wrote: > Matthias Clasen wrote: > > Here is a screenshot that shows some problems with the user list. If you > > have enough users to make the list scroll, you notice that a) the > > theming of the scrollbar is not ideal and b) the last item "leaks" out. > > It actually overlaps the "wrong password" messaged that may appear below > > the list. > > Thanks Matthias and everyone else for the quick and detailed feedback! > I've got a new version that hopefully is better: > > http://duffy.fedorapeople.org/art/infinity/FedoraInfinityGDM.2.tar.gz > > Here's what I tried to address: > > * scrollbar fits within boundaries of userlist even for large numbers of > users > * users in user list do not leak outside of the userlist box. > * pam-message added to theme, was previously missing. > * pam-error message text made larger and centered at bottom of dialog. > userlist no longer overlaps it. > * timed-login and caps-lock messages shifted for expansion space for > potentially long pam-messages; all placed neatly underneath login box > and shold co-exist nicely > * updated screenshot that really reflects the actual look of the theme > (good catch Nicu!) > * all references to Bitstream Vera replaced with references to DejaVu > (good catch Nicolas!) > > I attached a screenshot of a full user list too for reference. I can't > think of any other issues that might crop up - it seems all of the text > has sufficient space for expansion to account for translations and such. > If you see anything else do let me know. > > ~m Just my two cents to the design: I think the corners of the outer rectangle should be more rounded than those of the the inner one (when they are same it seems a little weird to me) like in my sixth mockup [1] and maybe the scrollbar would be better if it was in Nodoka instead of Clearlooks (so that the look would be more consistent with the rest of the artwork before and after the gdm). Didn't installed it yet, but the screenshot looks good so far (I'll try it in real probably tomorrow) :) Thanks, Martin References: [1] http://mso.fedorapeople.org/gdm/gdm-infinity6.png -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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C?sar. -----Mensaje original----- De: fedora-art-list-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:fedora-art-list-bounces at redhat.com] En nombre de Martin Sourada Enviado el: Mi?rcoles, 19 de Septiembre de 2007 04:48 a.m. Para: Discussions about the artwork included with Fedora, including icons, themes, and wallpapers. Asunto: Re: Infinity GDM mockup On Wed, 2007-09-19 at 06:57 +0200, M?ir?n Duffy wrote: > Matthias Clasen wrote: > > Here is a screenshot that shows some problems with the user list. If > > you have enough users to make the list scroll, you notice that a) > > the theming of the scrollbar is not ideal and b) the last item "leaks" out. > > It actually overlaps the "wrong password" messaged that may appear > > below the list. > > Thanks Matthias and everyone else for the quick and detailed feedback! > I've got a new version that hopefully is better: > > http://duffy.fedorapeople.org/art/infinity/FedoraInfinityGDM.2.tar.gz > > Here's what I tried to address: > > * scrollbar fits within boundaries of userlist even for large numbers > of users > * users in user list do not leak outside of the userlist box. > * pam-message added to theme, was previously missing. > * pam-error message text made larger and centered at bottom of dialog. > userlist no longer overlaps it. > * timed-login and caps-lock messages shifted for expansion space for > potentially long pam-messages; all placed neatly underneath login box > and shold co-exist nicely > * updated screenshot that really reflects the actual look of the theme > (good catch Nicu!) > * all references to Bitstream Vera replaced with references to DejaVu > (good catch Nicolas!) > > I attached a screenshot of a full user list too for reference. I can't > think of any other issues that might crop up - it seems all of the > text has sufficient space for expansion to account for translations and such. > If you see anything else do let me know. > > ~m Just my two cents to the design: I think the corners of the outer rectangle should be more rounded than those of the the inner one (when they are same it seems a little weird to me) like in my sixth mockup [1] and maybe the scrollbar would be better if it was in Nodoka instead of Clearlooks (so that the look would be more consistent with the rest of the artwork before and after the gdm). Didn't installed it yet, but the screenshot looks good so far (I'll try it in real probably tomorrow) :) Thanks, Martin References: [1] http://mso.fedorapeople.org/gdm/gdm-infinity6.png From duffy at redhat.com Wed Sep 19 14:06:53 2007 From: duffy at redhat.com (=?UTF-8?B?TcOhaXLDrW4gRHVmZnk=?=) Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 10:06:53 -0400 Subject: Infinity GDM mockup In-Reply-To: <46F0CD0D.9000509@fedoraproject.org> References: <1188303492.6360.4.camel@pc-notebook> <46EDF249.6070308@redhat.com> <1190003979.15061.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> <46F0AC3E.1040203@redhat.com> <46F0CD0D.9000509@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <46F12CFD.4010306@redhat.com> Rahul Sundaram wrote: > M?ir?n Duffy wrote: >> Matthias Clasen wrote: >>> Here is a screenshot that shows some problems with the user list. If you >>> have enough users to make the list scroll, you notice that a) the >>> theming of the scrollbar is not ideal and b) the last item "leaks" out. >>> It actually overlaps the "wrong password" messaged that may appear below >>> the list. >> >> Thanks Matthias and everyone else for the quick and detailed feedback! >> I've got a new version that hopefully is better: >> >> http://duffy.fedorapeople.org/art/infinity/FedoraInfinityGDM.2.tar.gz > > The amount of options seems to be a bit high and makes the interface > appear cluttered and the square big borders appears rigid. Which ones are you seeing? Are you just looking at the screenshot I sent? Because in actual use the 'disconnect' button doesn't actually appear. Are there other buttons you think should go? > > I like Steven's mockup at > http://actsofvolition.com/images/screenshots/fedora/gdm-infinity5.png > much better. This was written using that mockup with very slight modifications. I made the borders just slightly wider so the background below could be seen through them. > > Thinner borders and the number of options at three seems just right. > Fonts colors are less contrasting. The shadows are highlighted better. I can modify some of the font coloring but I worry about too little contrast in terms of readability. ~m From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Wed Sep 19 14:30:15 2007 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 20:00:15 +0530 Subject: Infinity GDM mockup In-Reply-To: <46F12CFD.4010306@redhat.com> References: <1188303492.6360.4.camel@pc-notebook> <46EDF249.6070308@redhat.com> <1190003979.15061.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> <46F0AC3E.1040203@redhat.com> <46F0CD0D.9000509@fedoraproject.org> <46F12CFD.4010306@redhat.com> Message-ID: <46F13277.9000103@fedoraproject.org> M?ir?n Duffy wrote: > > Which ones are you seeing? Are you just looking at the screenshot I > sent? Because in actual use the 'disconnect' button doesn't actually > appear. Are there other buttons you think should go? They don't need to go but a couple of them could be put under a menu if there are more than two or three. Rahul From mclasen at redhat.com Wed Sep 19 16:44:41 2007 From: mclasen at redhat.com (Matthias Clasen) Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 12:44:41 -0400 Subject: Infinity GDM mockup In-Reply-To: <46F0AC3E.1040203@redhat.com> References: <1188303492.6360.4.camel@pc-notebook> <46EDF249.6070308@redhat.com> <1190003979.15061.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> <46F0AC3E.1040203@redhat.com> Message-ID: <1190220281.4236.26.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Wed, 2007-09-19 at 00:57 -0400, M?ir?n Duffy wrote: > > I attached a screenshot of a full user list too for reference. I can't > think of any other issues that might crop up - it seems all of the text > has sufficient space for expansion to account for translations and such. > If you see anything else do let me know. Looks pretty good to me; I've put it in rawhide now, we can still apply further tweaks. From duffy at redhat.com Wed Sep 19 16:47:23 2007 From: duffy at redhat.com (=?UTF-8?B?TcOhaXLDrW4gRHVmZnk=?=) Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 12:47:23 -0400 Subject: Infinity GDM mockup In-Reply-To: <1190220281.4236.26.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1188303492.6360.4.camel@pc-notebook> <46EDF249.6070308@redhat.com> <1190003979.15061.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> <46F0AC3E.1040203@redhat.com> <1190220281.4236.26.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <46F1529B.9030204@redhat.com> Matthias Clasen wrote: > On Wed, 2007-09-19 at 00:57 -0400, M?ir?n Duffy wrote: > > >> I attached a screenshot of a full user list too for reference. I can't >> think of any other issues that might crop up - it seems all of the text >> has sufficient space for expansion to account for translations and such. >> If you see anything else do let me know. > > Looks pretty good to me; I've put it in rawhide now, we can still apply > further tweaks. Great! Thanks :) ~m From martin.sourada at seznam.cz Wed Sep 19 18:39:42 2007 From: martin.sourada at seznam.cz (Martin Sourada) Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 20:39:42 +0200 Subject: Echo Folder icon remake Message-ID: <1190227182.13164.11.camel@pc-notebook> Hi all, I've been in Prague on an exam (from Linear Algebra) and when I was going home by train I had some time, so I reworked 'a little' the folder icon. The reasons are quite plain: the colours differ too much from Echo colour palette, it has only 48x48 size, SVG is different from the PNG. So what have I done? Used colours near to the palette (those exactly from it does not serve that well for it), created other sizes and fixed the SVG so that it does look like the PNG (which is actually exported from it). I am still not 100% content with the result and don't know what exactly is wrong, maybe it is too bright... I also provided SVGs for all sizes (except 24x24 that is same as 22x22 plus 1px wide transparent border) so that edits of this icon would be easier, as well as edits of other icons which makes use of this one. So, any suggestions, help, further editions (the SVGs are fairly simple for this one), etc. are welcome (but, please, keep the shape, I like it very much). As I had problems with access to my fedorapeople account, I'll put it on my Echo page there [1] later, until than you can find it on my Czech pages [2]. Thanks, Martin References: [1] http://mso.fedorapeople.org/echo/ [2] http://feannatar.hostuju.cz/fedora/files/Echo/ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From liviopl.pl at gmail.com Wed Sep 19 19:47:44 2007 From: liviopl.pl at gmail.com (Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek) Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 21:47:44 +0200 Subject: Echo Folder icon remake In-Reply-To: <1190227182.13164.11.camel@pc-notebook> (from martin.sourada@seznam.cz on Wed Sep 19 20:39:42 2007) References: <1190227182.13164.11.camel@pc-notebook> Message-ID: <1190231264l.3849l.0l@castello> Hi, Icon is better. Now it looks good, but the isometric perspective will cause Nautilus to look strange... From martin.sourada at seznam.cz Wed Sep 19 20:44:13 2007 From: martin.sourada at seznam.cz (Martin Sourada) Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 22:44:13 +0200 Subject: Echo Folder icon remake In-Reply-To: <1190231264l.3849l.0l@castello> References: <1190227182.13164.11.camel@pc-notebook> <1190231264l.3849l.0l@castello> Message-ID: <1190234653.16216.9.camel@pc-notebook> On Wed, 2007-09-19 at 21:47 +0200, Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek wrote: > Hi, > > Icon is better. Now it looks good, but the isometric perspective will > cause Nautilus to look strange... > Nope, I like the isometric perspective (maybe because I got used to it? but I liked the Echo icons from the first time I tried them...), BUT. I just enabled the icons in my testing Echo icon theme (trunk plus icons in progress) and they harm my eyes. They really need to be darker (or use less intensive colour). But the smaller icons seems to be a great improvement over the old 48x48. Apart from the fact they are too light, they look IMHO nice (even the 16x16 ones [1], I little feared about those). I think the only thing now remains is to fix the colours, shape seems good to me (for all sizes). I'll look into it again tomorrow. Martin References: [1] http://feannatar.hostuju.cz/fedora/files/Echo/folder16.png -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Ref: [1]http://luya.fedorapeople.org/images/echo/action Luya From markg85 at gmail.com Thu Sep 20 07:10:29 2007 From: markg85 at gmail.com (Mark) Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2007 09:10:29 +0200 Subject: Echo Folder icon remake In-Reply-To: <1190234653.16216.9.camel@pc-notebook> References: <1190227182.13164.11.camel@pc-notebook> <1190231264l.3849l.0l@castello> <1190234653.16216.9.camel@pc-notebook> Message-ID: <6e24a8e80709200010n49e0a7ffj96af51c8098de73c@mail.gmail.com> with those colors my "package-x-generic" icon fits it perfectly. but you probably disagree on that. I like your new folder icon but i think it can be a little better. make it a little bit darker and than add a spotlight like effect on the right corner. From liviopl.pl at gmail.com Thu Sep 20 12:43:01 2007 From: liviopl.pl at gmail.com (Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek) Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2007 14:43:01 +0200 Subject: Remake of Echo system-shutdown In-Reply-To: <46F22B84.5060808@thefinalzone.com> (from luya_tfz@thefinalzone.com on Thu Sep 20 10:12:52 2007) References: <46F22B84.5060808@thefinalzone.com> Message-ID: <1190292181l.1967l.0l@castello> In my opinion it would look better, if icon will be red and the symbol be gray. From mclasen at redhat.com Thu Sep 20 13:50:46 2007 From: mclasen at redhat.com (Matthias Clasen) Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2007 09:50:46 -0400 Subject: small nodoka fixups Message-ID: <1190296246.4468.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> I think it would be nice to make nodoka support the symbolic tooltip color setting that has appeared in the appearance capplet in 2.20. From martin.sourada at seznam.cz Thu Sep 20 13:57:39 2007 From: martin.sourada at seznam.cz (Martin Sourada) Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2007 15:57:39 +0200 Subject: Remake of Echo system-shutdown In-Reply-To: <46F22B84.5060808@thefinalzone.com> References: <46F22B84.5060808@thefinalzone.com> Message-ID: <1190296659.31418.10.camel@pc-notebook> On Thu, 2007-09-20 at 10:12 +0200, Luya Tshimbalanga wrote: > I took the existing action icon system-shutdown and modified it to > follow the guideline. > These icons are available on my local page[1]. The result is a more > subtle and 3D effect > of the shutdown symbol. > > Ref: > [1]http://luya.fedorapeople.org/images/echo/action > > > Luya > Hi, the shadow, especially in the smaller icons, seems to be positioned wrongly. I think it would be better if the shadow were positioned like in other action icons, e.g. dialog-ok [1]. I'd also suggest to experiment with the shape a little - e.g. try rounded corners, like in the gnome icon or perhaps try a completely different take (similar style like in other echo action icons, like dialog-ok, appointment-new [2] or help-about [3])? Martin References: [1] http://git.fedoraproject.org/?p=hosted/echo-icon-theme;a=blob_plain;f=trunk/Echo/48x48/actions/dialog-ok.png;hb=HEAD [2] http://git.fedoraproject.org/?p=hosted/echo-icon-theme;a=blob_plain;f=trunk/Echo/48x48/actions/appointment-new.png;hb=HEAD [3] http://git.fedoraproject.org/?p=hosted/echo-icon-theme;a=blob_plain;f=trunk/Echo/48x48/actions/help-about.png;hb=HEAD -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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From martin.sourada at seznam.cz Thu Sep 20 14:00:47 2007 From: martin.sourada at seznam.cz (Martin Sourada) Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2007 16:00:47 +0200 Subject: small nodoka fixups In-Reply-To: <1190296246.4468.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1190296246.4468.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1190296847.31418.13.camel@pc-notebook> On Thu, 2007-09-20 at 15:50 +0200, Matthias Clasen wrote: > I think it would be nice to make nodoka support the symbolic tooltip > color setting that has appeared in the appearance capplet in 2.20. > It would, if it actually worked. I run rawhide and noticed this feature quite a long ago and added it to my local copy of the nodoka gtkrc file, but we do not support text colour yet in the nodoka engine and so I didn't pushed it to upstream yet. But with some updates this feature got broken and it is disabled even for Clearlooks. Don't know why... Martin -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I > > just enabled the icons in my testing Echo icon theme (trunk plus icons > > in progress) and they harm my eyes. > I had the same reaction. > > > Luya So in order to avoid this reaction I played with the colours still more and issued new versions. I also added user-home and folder-remote icons - as the folder, which is base of these icons, is identical to the one in folder icon, it should be easy to fix the colours in those as well, if we change the colours of the folder once again. Check the same page again (still not able to log in my fedorapeople account) [1]. Thanks, Martin References: [1] http://feannatar.hostuju.cz/fedora/files/Echo/ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From martin.sourada at seznam.cz Thu Sep 20 14:39:03 2007 From: martin.sourada at seznam.cz (Martin Sourada) Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2007 16:39:03 +0200 Subject: small nodoka fixups In-Reply-To: <1190296847.31418.13.camel@pc-notebook> References: <1190296246.4468.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1190296847.31418.13.camel@pc-notebook> Message-ID: <1190299143.31418.25.camel@pc-notebook> On Thu, 2007-09-20 at 16:00 +0200, Martin Sourada wrote: > On Thu, 2007-09-20 at 15:50 +0200, Matthias Clasen wrote: > > I think it would be nice to make nodoka support the symbolic tooltip > > color setting that has appeared in the appearance capplet in 2.20. > > > It would, if it actually worked. I run rawhide and noticed this feature > quite a long ago and added it to my local copy of the nodoka gtkrc file, > but we do not support text colour yet in the nodoka engine and so I > didn't pushed it to upstream yet. But with some updates this feature got > broken and it is disabled even for Clearlooks. Don't know why... > > Martin Now that I think about it a little more... There isn't any text drawing functions in nodoka engine, so I assume that the text is drawn by gtk itself, am I right? Than it must be a gtk bug that the text colour is always black in tooltips. Or anywhere else? Definitely not Nodoka problem, just checked Clearlooks (changed the tooltips fg colour setting to red) and it has the same issue. So there are currently two issues making the implementing not much valuable - the colours cannot be selected in the appearances dialog even if gtkrc supports it and the tooltips text colour is always black. Martin -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Thu Sep 20 14:50:39 2007 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2007 20:20:39 +0530 Subject: Echo Folder icon remake In-Reply-To: <1190297148.31418.18.camel@pc-notebook> References: <1190227182.13164.11.camel@pc-notebook> <1190231264l.3849l.0l@castello> <1190234653.16216.9.camel@pc-notebook> <46F228C7.2000108@thefinalzone.com> <1190297148.31418.18.camel@pc-notebook> Message-ID: <46F288BF.3070508@fedoraproject.org> Martin Sourada wrote: rs in those as well, > if we change the colours of the folder once again. Check the same page > again (still not able to log in my fedorapeople account) [1]. Have you talked to the infrastructure team? Login to #fedora-admin and ask. I had a problem earlier where denyhosts in the server banned my ip because I entered the wrong password a couple of times. Rahul From martin.sourada at seznam.cz Thu Sep 20 14:57:52 2007 From: martin.sourada at seznam.cz (Martin Sourada) Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2007 16:57:52 +0200 Subject: Echo Folder icon remake In-Reply-To: <46F288BF.3070508@fedoraproject.org> References: <1190227182.13164.11.camel@pc-notebook> <1190231264l.3849l.0l@castello> <1190234653.16216.9.camel@pc-notebook> <46F228C7.2000108@thefinalzone.com> <1190297148.31418.18.camel@pc-notebook> <46F288BF.3070508@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <1190300272.31418.27.camel@pc-notebook> On Thu, 2007-09-20 at 16:50 +0200, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > Martin Sourada wrote: > rs in those as well, > > if we change the colours of the folder once again. Check the same page > > again (still not able to log in my fedorapeople account) [1]. > > Have you talked to the infrastructure team? Login to #fedora-admin and > ask. I had a problem earlier where denyhosts in the server banned my ip > because I entered the wrong password a couple of times. > > Rahul > Didn't have time yet (I was mostly off-line lately). But will do. Thanks, Martin -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From liviopl.pl at gmail.com Thu Sep 20 04:36:57 2007 From: liviopl.pl at gmail.com (Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek) Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2007 06:36:57 +0200 Subject: Echo Folder icon remake In-Reply-To: <1190234653.16216.9.camel@pc-notebook> (from martin.sourada@seznam.cz on Wed Sep 19 22:44:13 2007) References: <1190227182.13164.11.camel@pc-notebook> <1190231264l.3849l.0l@castello> <1190234653.16216.9.camel@pc-notebook> Message-ID: <1190263017l.2002l.0l@castello> Hi, Still many icons (eg. zoom) are "too blue". Are "overblueized". From mclasen at redhat.com Thu Sep 20 17:05:15 2007 From: mclasen at redhat.com (Matthias Clasen) Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2007 19:05:15 +0200 Subject: small nodoka fixups In-Reply-To: <1190299143.31418.25.camel@pc-notebook> References: <1190296246.4468.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1190296847.31418.13.camel@pc-notebook> <1190299143.31418.25.camel@pc-notebook> Message-ID: <1190307915.4556.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Thu, 2007-09-20 at 16:39 +0200, Martin Sourada wrote: > On Thu, 2007-09-20 at 16:00 +0200, Martin Sourada wrote: > > On Thu, 2007-09-20 at 15:50 +0200, Matthias Clasen wrote: > > > I think it would be nice to make nodoka support the symbolic tooltip > > > color setting that has appeared in the appearance capplet in 2.20. > > > > > It would, if it actually worked. I run rawhide and noticed this feature > > quite a long ago and added it to my local copy of the nodoka gtkrc file, > > but we do not support text colour yet in the nodoka engine and so I > > didn't pushed it to upstream yet. But with some updates this feature got > > broken and it is disabled even for Clearlooks. Don't know why... > > > > Martin > > Now that I think about it a little more... There isn't any text drawing > functions in nodoka engine, so I assume that the text is drawn by gtk > itself, am I right? Than it must be a gtk bug that the text colour is > always black in tooltips. Or anywhere else? > > Definitely not Nodoka problem, just checked Clearlooks (changed the > tooltips fg colour setting to red) and it has the same issue. > > So there are currently two issues making the implementing not much > valuable - the colours cannot be selected in the appearances dialog even > if gtkrc supports it and the tooltips text colour is always black. It definitively work for Clearlooks in current rawhide. From martin.sourada at seznam.cz Thu Sep 20 17:37:53 2007 From: martin.sourada at seznam.cz (Martin Sourada) Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2007 19:37:53 +0200 Subject: Echo Folder icon remake In-Reply-To: <1190263017l.2002l.0l@castello> References: <1190227182.13164.11.camel@pc-notebook> <1190231264l.3849l.0l@castello> <1190234653.16216.9.camel@pc-notebook> <1190263017l.2002l.0l@castello> Message-ID: <1190309874.31418.29.camel@pc-notebook> On Thu, 2007-09-20 at 06:36 +0200, Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek wrote: > Hi, > > Still many icons (eg. zoom) are "too blue". Are "overblueized". > Err... I somehow miss the connection with this thread? Thanks, Martin -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From martin.sourada at seznam.cz Thu Sep 20 17:41:39 2007 From: martin.sourada at seznam.cz (Martin Sourada) Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2007 19:41:39 +0200 Subject: small nodoka fixups In-Reply-To: <1190307915.4556.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1190296246.4468.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1190296847.31418.13.camel@pc-notebook> <1190299143.31418.25.camel@pc-notebook> <1190307915.4556.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1190310099.31418.34.camel@pc-notebook> On Thu, 2007-09-20 at 19:05 +0200, Matthias Clasen wrote: > It definitively work for Clearlooks in current rawhide. > Maybe the problem is with my config (upgraded from F7 to rawhide, it might cause problems, but when it appeared it worked, then it stopped, as well as some other things like NetworkManager's applet), will recheck when I download today's updates. Oh, and I enable it in rawhide's nodoka as well, I have already prepared the gtkrc so it basically only needs to be patched (too small changes to release new version) in the rpm and rebuild. I'll do that probably tomorrow, I am quite tired today... Thanks, Martin -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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From mclasen at redhat.com Thu Sep 20 20:04:12 2007 From: mclasen at redhat.com (Matthias Clasen) Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2007 16:04:12 -0400 Subject: small nodoka fixups In-Reply-To: <1190307619l.4264l.1l@castello> References: <1190296246.4468.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1190296847.31418.13.camel@pc-notebook> <1190299143.31418.25.camel@pc-notebook> <1190307619l.4264l.1l@castello> Message-ID: <1190318652.4556.10.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Thu, 2007-09-20 at 19:00 +0200, Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek wrote: > > So there are currently two issues making the implementing not much > > valuable - the colours cannot be selected in the appearances dialog > > even > > if gtkrc supports it and the tooltips text colour is always black. > > But tooltip background can be implemented. > Tooltip text color selection can be omited/skipped. > I'm using clearlooks with blue-on-red tooltips right now... From martin.sourada at seznam.cz Thu Sep 20 21:04:51 2007 From: martin.sourada at seznam.cz (Martin Sourada) Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2007 23:04:51 +0200 Subject: small nodoka fixups In-Reply-To: <1190318652.4556.10.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1190296246.4468.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1190296847.31418.13.camel@pc-notebook> <1190299143.31418.25.camel@pc-notebook> <1190307619l.4264l.1l@castello> <1190318652.4556.10.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1190322291.19809.2.camel@pc-notebook> On Thu, 2007-09-20 at 22:04 +0200, Matthias Clasen wrote: > On Thu, 2007-09-20 at 19:00 +0200, Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek wrote: > > > So there are currently two issues making the implementing not much > > > valuable - the colours cannot be selected in the appearances dialog > > > even > > > if gtkrc supports it and the tooltips text colour is always black. > > > > But tooltip background can be implemented. > > Tooltip text color selection can be omited/skipped. > > > > I'm using clearlooks with blue-on-red tooltips right now... > After the today's update it started to work for me too (in the old clearlooks gtkrc there was tooltips_{bg,fg}_color, and it should be tooltip_{bg,fg}_color...) So, I patched the Nodoka theme and it works as well. It's building now. Martin -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From martin.sourada at seznam.cz Thu Sep 20 22:04:35 2007 From: martin.sourada at seznam.cz (Martin Sourada) Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 00:04:35 +0200 Subject: Echo ToDo - tracking progress, 'undrafting' Message-ID: <1190325875.19809.25.camel@pc-notebook> hi, I don't know whether you noticed, but I added to the Echo Todo Menus page [1] a section for tracking progress [2]. To quote the page: > In this section we keep track of icons that are being worked on. If > you'd like to work on an icon that is not green yet, add the icon name > and your wiki name here. In addition you can add state which can be > one of these posibilities: analysing situation (checking desktop files > and icon name used there), fixing icon (for editing already created > icons, but with issues), making icon (for creating brand new icon), > pending bug. To the notes add any additional info you think its worth, > like bug number, etc. Once the icon is created and accepted into Echo > and all problems are fixed please make it in the tables under > screenshots green and remove it from this list. Does that seem understandable? Bellow this text is a table with icons that are being fixed. Another think I'd like to ask is whether you consider the Echo ToDo Menus page good and complete enough to 'undraft' it (i.e. remove the draft warning and link to it from other pages). Thanks, Martin -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I'd also suggest to > experiment with the shape a little - e.g. try rounded corners, like in > the gnome icon or perhaps try a completely different take (similar style > like in other echo action icons, like dialog-ok, appointment-new [2] or > help-about [3])? > > Here is a draft[1] based on dialog icon labeled with suffix -a. I set the shadow at 2d2d2d. In response to Jakub, I created. an alternate version with suffix -b. Icons are designed with svn version of Inkscape while png were rendered in Gimp with 300 dpi for better quality. Ref: [1]http://luya.fedorapeople.org/images/echo/actions/ Luya From luya_tfz at thefinalzone.com Thu Sep 20 22:49:51 2007 From: luya_tfz at thefinalzone.com (Luya Tshimbalanga) Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2007 15:49:51 -0700 Subject: Echo ToDo - tracking progress, 'undrafting' In-Reply-To: <1190325875.19809.25.camel@pc-notebook> References: <1190325875.19809.25.camel@pc-notebook> Message-ID: <46F2F90F.10200@thefinalzone.com> Martin Sourada a ?crit : > hi, > > I don't know whether you noticed, but I added to the Echo Todo Menus > page [1] a section for tracking progress [2]. To quote the page: > > >> In this section we keep track of icons that are being worked on. If >> you'd like to work on an icon that is not green yet, add the icon name >> and your wiki name here. In addition you can add state which can be >> one of these posibilities: analysing situation (checking desktop files >> and icon name used there), fixing icon (for editing already created >> icons, but with issues), making icon (for creating brand new icon), >> pending bug. To the notes add any additional info you think its worth, >> like bug number, etc. Once the icon is created and accepted into Echo >> and all problems are fixed please make it in the tables under >> screenshots green and remove it from this list. >> > > Does that seem understandable? Bellow this text is a table with icons > that are being fixed. > > Another think I'd like to ask is whether you consider the Echo ToDo > Menus page good and complete enough to 'undraft' it (i.e. remove the > draft warning and link to it from other pages). > > Thanks, > Martin > Missing reference: [1]http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/EchoIconTheme/EchoToDo/Menus I am not sure which page [2] refered though. 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And yes, the Nodoka theme is maintained by the > art team, so this is the right place to ask about it (though even a > better way would be filling a feature request in trac [1]). > > But thanks for noticing, this somehow slipped my mind... Sorry for the delayed reply--my bleeding-edge laptop is sorta crippled right now. For the same reason, I can't seem to get a screenshot--but the app shows a GtkTreeModel in a GtkTreeView, and it does have vertical gridlines. Thanks for the pointer to trac--I'll use that for any other requests! Best, Peter -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available URL: From duffy at redhat.com Fri Sep 21 03:17:06 2007 From: duffy at redhat.com (=?UTF-8?B?TcOhaXLDrW4gRHVmZnk=?=) Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2007 23:17:06 -0400 Subject: [Long] Do we need a font SIG ? In-Reply-To: <6148.192.54.193.51.1189770715.squirrel@rousalka.dyndns.org> References: <6148.192.54.193.51.1189770715.squirrel@rousalka.dyndns.org> Message-ID: <46F337B2.9000104@redhat.com> Nicolas Mailhot wrote: > I created a mockup wiki page to try to make all this clear > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/NicolasMailhot/FontMatrix > It's far from complete, but I hope it's complete enough to give > everyone an idea of the potential SIG scope. > > So, who wants to play? Is Fedora ready for a font SIG or should I ask > again next year? I'm in! Let's not let this thread die! Who else is in? ~m From liviopl.pl at gmail.com Fri Sep 21 04:59:12 2007 From: liviopl.pl at gmail.com (Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek) Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 06:59:12 +0200 Subject: Revamped Echo system-standby icon In-Reply-To: <46F30DE7.9080900@thefinalzone.com> (from luya_tfz@thefinalzone.com on Fri Sep 21 02:18:47 2007) References: <46F30DE7.9080900@thefinalzone.com> Message-ID: <1190350752l.2023l.2l@castello> Shadow is too dark/too big in my opinion. From martin.sourada at seznam.cz Fri Sep 21 08:06:21 2007 From: martin.sourada at seznam.cz (Martin Sourada) Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 10:06:21 +0200 Subject: Echo ToDo - tracking progress, 'undrafting' In-Reply-To: <46F2F90F.10200@thefinalzone.com> References: <1190325875.19809.25.camel@pc-notebook> <46F2F90F.10200@thefinalzone.com> Message-ID: <1190361981.19809.27.camel@pc-notebook> On Fri, 2007-09-21 at 00:49 +0200, Luya Tshimbalanga wrote: > Martin Sourada a ?crit : > > hi, > > > > I don't know whether you noticed, but I added to the Echo Todo Menus > > page [1] a section for tracking progress [2]. To quote the page: > > > > > > > In this section we keep track of icons that are being worked on. If > > > you'd like to work on an icon that is not green yet, add the icon name > > > and your wiki name here. In addition you can add state which can be > > > one of these posibilities: analysing situation (checking desktop files > > > and icon name used there), fixing icon (for editing already created > > > icons, but with issues), making icon (for creating brand new icon), > > > pending bug. To the notes add any additional info you think its worth, > > > like bug number, etc. Once the icon is created and accepted into Echo > > > and all problems are fixed please make it in the tables under > > > screenshots green and remove it from this list. > > > > > > > Does that seem understandable? Bellow this text is a table with icons > > that are being fixed. > > > > Another think I'd like to ask is whether you consider the Echo ToDo > > Menus page good and complete enough to 'undraft' it (i.e. remove the > > draft warning and link to it from other pages). > > > > Thanks, > > Martin > > > Missing reference: > [1]http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/EchoIconTheme/EchoToDo/Menus > > I am not sure which page [2] refered though. > > Luya Oups... sorry... the [1] you got right, the [2] is this: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/EchoIconTheme/EchoToDo/Menus?action=quicklink#head-3ddcbd1e13f2ab590a73f6416dba9d463b82f33a Thanks, Martin -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From martin.sourada at seznam.cz Fri Sep 21 08:17:38 2007 From: martin.sourada at seznam.cz (Martin Sourada) Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 10:17:38 +0200 Subject: Revamped Echo system-standby icon In-Reply-To: <46F30DE7.9080900@thefinalzone.com> References: <46F30DE7.9080900@thefinalzone.com> Message-ID: <1190362658.19809.39.camel@pc-notebook> On Fri, 2007-09-21 at 02:18 +0200, Luya Tshimbalanga wrote: > That icon got the same threat from system-shutdown. Done with svn > version of Inkscape > and png version with Gimp 2.2 set at 300 dpi resolution. > > http://luya.fedorapeople.org/images/echo/actions/ > > Luya Luya, change the opacity of the shadow to be less intensive. Second thing I noticed is badly positioned the picture in the button (the circle with line at the top) IMHO, it should be in the center of the blue area. Other than that the 48x48 icon seems quite fine. The 16x16 is looking good for me, for 22x22 and 24x24 you should use flat perspective (just use the 16x16, add gradients if you do not have them in the 16x16 one, and add shadow). One issue I notice for all your icons you've create so far is the shadow that is too much upwards. It might be because you rendered it in gimp - I noticed nautilus and gimp and others position the areas with applied blur differently then inkscape. If you'd like better quality, I'd rather export it in inkscape with 300 dpi (or whatever you think is the best) and the resize/finish it in gimp :) Otherwise, I like this one most of all, could you do a similarly fashioned system-shutdown? I also noticed that the suspend option disappeared from gnome menu (it is now in the shutdown dialog), dunno how in KDE, but it seems to me that this icon might not have a use after all... Thanks, Martin PS: btw. what's the improvements in the svn version of ikscape? -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From martin.sourada at seznam.cz Fri Sep 21 08:35:42 2007 From: martin.sourada at seznam.cz (Martin Sourada) Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 10:35:42 +0200 Subject: Revamped Echo system-standby icon In-Reply-To: <1190362658.19809.39.camel@pc-notebook> References: <46F30DE7.9080900@thefinalzone.com> <1190362658.19809.39.camel@pc-notebook> Message-ID: <1190363742.19809.44.camel@pc-notebook> On Fri, 2007-09-21 at 10:17 +0200, Martin Sourada wrote: > Luya, change the opacity of the shadow to be less intensive. Second > thing I noticed is badly positioned the picture in the button (the > circle with line at the top) IMHO, it should be in the center of the > blue area. Other than that the 48x48 icon seems quite fine. The 16x16 is > looking good for me, for 22x22 and 24x24 you should use flat perspective > (just use the 16x16, add gradients if you do not have them in the 16x16 > one, and add shadow). > > One issue I notice for all your icons you've create so far is the shadow > that is too much upwards. It might be because you rendered it in gimp - > I noticed nautilus and gimp and others position the areas with applied > blur differently then inkscape. If you'd like better quality, I'd rather > export it in inkscape with 300 dpi (or whatever you think is the best) > and the resize/finish it in gimp :) > > Otherwise, I like this one most of all, could you do a similarly > fashioned system-shutdown? I also noticed that the suspend option > disappeared from gnome menu (it is now in the shutdown dialog), dunno > how in KDE, but it seems to me that this icon might not have a use after > all... > > Thanks, > Martin > > PS: btw. what's the improvements in the svn version of ikscape? I downloaded the svg for 48x48 and edited it to address the issues I was talking about: 1. I made the icon smaller - it does not serve any good if it fills whole area, I made it with same size as other action icons (42x42) 2. I added a gradient to the shadow, and played with opacity and blur to get mostly what I like, fixed its position 3. centred the picture in the button I attach the fixed version. I'll maybe fix the other sizes to, will see.. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: system-standby48.png Type: image/png Size: 4526 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: system-standby48.svg Type: image/svg+xml Size: 13948 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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It has better antialiasing (again gimp work) and better fits the pixel grid. So the set (without 24x24, which will be easy to make) is from my point of view complete. What do you think Luya? Are these OK? If so, could you create similarly styled system-shutdown icons? Just in case someone interested, the gimp work is basically this: export it in inkscape in 10:1 (i.e. for 16x16 export it in 160x160, etc.), open it in gimp, do Gaussian blur with radius 10, resize and run unsharp mask with radius 2 and amount 0.2. The values might vary from icon to icon, e.g for the 32x32 plain resize in gimp was enough. Thanks, Martin -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: system-standby16.png Type: image/png Size: 1004 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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The 24x24 can be done in gimp from the 22x22 one >> by adding a 1px transparent border to it (or in CLi with imagemagic)... >> >> What do you think, Luya? >> >> >> Thanks, >> Martin >> > > Err... I could not resist and made a 16x16 version anew as well... It has > better antialiasing (again gimp work) and better fits the pixel grid. So > the set (without 24x24, which will be easy to make) is from my point of > view complete. What do you think Luya? Are these OK? If so, could you > create similarly styled system-shutdown icons? > > Yes, system-standby set is ready. I will add it on trunk soon. System-shutdown set are there, I made two variants with suffix -a and -b (uppon Jakub opinion). > Just in case someone interested, the gimp work is basically this: export > it in inkscape in 10:1 (i.e. for 16x16 export it in 160x160, etc.), open > it in gimp, do Gaussian blur with radius 10, resize and run unsharp mask with > radius 2 and amount 0.2. The values might vary from icon to icon, e.g for > the 32x32 plain resize in gimp was enough. > > I used another method. I opened svg file in Gimp, set the right icon size and increase the resolution at 300 dpi. Then I save it as png. Luya -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From martin.sourada at seznam.cz Fri Sep 21 10:14:26 2007 From: martin.sourada at seznam.cz (Martin Sourada) Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 12:14:26 +0200 Subject: Revamped Echo system-standby icon In-Reply-To: <46F38FC2.2070703@thefinalzone.com> References: <46F30DE7.9080900@thefinalzone.com> <1190362658.19809.39.camel@pc-notebook> <1190363742.19809.44.camel@pc-notebook> <1190365482.19809.50.camel@pc-notebook> <1190366427.19809.58.camel@pc-notebook> <46F38FC2.2070703@thefinalzone.com> Message-ID: <1190369666.19809.68.camel@pc-notebook> On Fri, 2007-09-21 at 11:32 +0200, Luya Tshimbalanga wrote: > Yes, system-standby set is ready. I will add it on trunk soon. > System-shutdown > set are there, I made two variants with suffix -a and -b (uppon Jakub > opinion). I noticed I forgot to align the 48x48 variant to the pixel grid, so I attach the fixed version. > > Just in case someone interested, the gimp work is basically this: export > > it in inkscape in 10:1 (i.e. for 16x16 export it in 160x160, etc.), open > > it in gimp, do Gaussian blur with radius 10, resize and run unsharp mask with > > radius 2 and amount 0.2. The values might vary from icon to icon, e.g for > > the 32x32 plain resize in gimp was enough. > > > > > I used another method. I opened svg file in Gimp, set the right icon > size > and increase the resolution at 300 dpi. Then I save it as png. > > > Luya That might caused some of the problems with shadow positioning. Anyway, I tried to produce a system-shutdown icon (I saw the -a and -b variants and while the -a one seems better than the original, still the red seems to be too strong colour...) and I was not able to come with any colour combination with red in it that I would like - the red seems to be too strong against all other colours. So I created a variant with similar colours to those in gnome, I also used the same shape as in system-stanby, the variant with circle and dash inside seems to be harder to display correctly, especially in small sizes. I attach it as well (I did only 48x48 version). If we used this styling then the only action needed to produce full set would be to change colours in the system-standby to the system-shutdown and do the same gimp work. Martin -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From liviopl.pl at gmail.com Fri Sep 21 04:56:54 2007 From: liviopl.pl at gmail.com (Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek) Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 06:56:54 +0200 Subject: Remake of Echo system-shutdown In-Reply-To: <46F2F8A0.1090102@thefinalzone.com> (from luya_tfz@thefinalzone.com on Fri Sep 21 00:48:00 2007) References: <46F22B84.5060808@thefinalzone.com> <1190296659.31418.10.camel@pc-notebook> <46F2F8A0.1090102@thefinalzone.com> Message-ID: <1190350614l.2023l.1l@castello> Hi, Icons are great. In my opinion every *x*b.* (every b version) is the best. From liviopl.pl at gmail.com Fri Sep 21 05:01:12 2007 From: liviopl.pl at gmail.com (Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek) Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 07:01:12 +0200 Subject: [Long] Do we need a font SIG ? In-Reply-To: <46F337B2.9000104@redhat.com> (from duffy@redhat.com on Fri Sep 21 05:17:06 2007) References: <6148.192.54.193.51.1189770715.squirrel@rousalka.dyndns.org> <46F337B2.9000104@redhat.com> Message-ID: <1190350872l.2023l.3l@castello> We're talking about fonts? So, include Gentium and Purisa - perfect serif font and great script font. From liviopl.pl at gmail.com Fri Sep 21 04:55:13 2007 From: liviopl.pl at gmail.com (Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek) Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 06:55:13 +0200 Subject: small nodoka fixups In-Reply-To: <1190322291.19809.2.camel@pc-notebook> (from martin.sourada@seznam.cz on Thu Sep 20 23:04:51 2007) References: <1190296246.4468.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1190296847.31418.13.camel@pc-notebook> <1190299143.31418.25.camel@pc-notebook> <1190307619l.4264l.1l@castello> <1190318652.4556.10.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1190322291.19809.2.camel@pc-notebook> Message-ID: <1190350513l.2023l.0l@castello> Great work Martin ;) . From liviopl.pl at gmail.com Thu Sep 20 17:31:03 2007 From: liviopl.pl at gmail.com (Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek) Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2007 19:31:03 +0200 Subject: small nodoka fixups In-Reply-To: <1190307915.4556.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> (from mclasen@redhat.com on Thu Sep 20 19:05:15 2007) References: <1190296246.4468.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1190296847.31418.13.camel@pc-notebook> <1190299143.31418.25.camel@pc-notebook> <1190307915.4556.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1190309463l.4516l.0l@castello> So, Martin can put it into Rawhide? From liviopl.pl at gmail.com Thu Sep 20 17:02:36 2007 From: liviopl.pl at gmail.com (Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek) Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2007 19:02:36 +0200 Subject: Echo Folder icon remake In-Reply-To: <1190300272.31418.27.camel@pc-notebook> (from martin.sourada@seznam.cz on Thu Sep 20 16:57:52 2007) References: <1190227182.13164.11.camel@pc-notebook> <1190231264l.3849l.0l@castello> <1190234653.16216.9.camel@pc-notebook> <46F228C7.2000108@thefinalzone.com> <1190297148.31418.18.camel@pc-notebook> <46F288BF.3070508@fedoraproject.org> <1190300272.31418.27.camel@pc-notebook> Message-ID: <1190307756l.4264l.2l@castello> Banning because of few wrong entered passwords? Good, but what if *we* made a mistake... Terrible. We have luck: IP's can be unbanned ;) . From liviopl.pl at gmail.com Thu Sep 20 17:04:26 2007 From: liviopl.pl at gmail.com (Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek) Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2007 19:04:26 +0200 Subject: Nodoka Metacity Theme Message-ID: <1190307866l.4264l.3l@castello> Hi, Can you change the M-city theme to something... Standard? Or, please, make the gradients softer. I like all from Nodoka, but M-city. From liviopl.pl at gmail.com Thu Sep 20 16:58:26 2007 From: liviopl.pl at gmail.com (Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek) Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2007 18:58:26 +0200 Subject: Echo Folder icon remake In-Reply-To: <1190297148.31418.18.camel@pc-notebook> (from martin.sourada@seznam.cz on Thu Sep 20 16:05:48 2007) References: <1190227182.13164.11.camel@pc-notebook> <1190231264l.3849l.0l@castello> <1190234653.16216.9.camel@pc-notebook> <46F228C7.2000108@thefinalzone.com> <1190297148.31418.18.camel@pc-notebook> Message-ID: <1190307506l.4264l.0l@castello> Hi, The folder is now looking better. PS: I dislike isometric perspective, but I'll not be "repeating" this... From martin.sourada at seznam.cz Fri Sep 21 16:08:30 2007 From: martin.sourada at seznam.cz (Martin Sourada) Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 18:08:30 +0200 Subject: Nodoka Metacity Theme In-Reply-To: <1190307866l.4264l.3l@castello> References: <1190307866l.4264l.3l@castello> Message-ID: <1190390910.19809.75.camel@pc-notebook> On Thu, 2007-09-20 at 19:04 +0200, Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek wrote: > Hi, > > Can you change the M-city theme to something... Standard? > Or, please, make the gradients softer. > > I like all from Nodoka, but M-city. > > Which version do you use (rpm -q nodoka-metacity-theme)? I completely reworked the gradients in 0.3.2 to better fit the rest of the theme (the Metacity had been created first and as the gtk theme had evolved the Metacity had remained more or less untouched so it had to be edited at last). And, can you explain (or link to) what do you mean by 'standard' (IMHO there is no such thing as that in Metacity themes...)? ;-) Thanks, Martin -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From liviopl.pl at gmail.com Fri Sep 21 16:17:05 2007 From: liviopl.pl at gmail.com (Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek) Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 18:17:05 +0200 Subject: Nodoka Metacity Theme In-Reply-To: <1190390910.19809.75.camel@pc-notebook> (from martin.sourada@seznam.cz on Fri Sep 21 18:08:30 2007) References: <1190307866l.4264l.3l@castello> <1190390910.19809.75.camel@pc-notebook> Message-ID: <1190391425l.4907l.0l@castello> Standard? What do I mean? I mean with button's looking like buttons or simple glyphs (like in Clearlooks or in Gilouche). From martin.sourada at seznam.cz Fri Sep 21 16:29:58 2007 From: martin.sourada at seznam.cz (Martin Sourada) Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 18:29:58 +0200 Subject: Nodoka Metacity Theme In-Reply-To: <1190391425l.4907l.0l@castello> References: <1190307866l.4264l.3l@castello> <1190390910.19809.75.camel@pc-notebook> <1190391425l.4907l.0l@castello> Message-ID: <1190392198.19809.81.camel@pc-notebook> On Fri, 2007-09-21 at 18:17 +0200, Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek wrote: > Standard? What do I mean? > > I mean with button's looking like buttons or simple glyphs (like in > Clearlooks or in Gilouche). > What is 'nonstandard' on buttons filling whole caption? They are basically same like buttons without rounded corners (quite common in murrina themes), only they are grouped and fill whole height of the caption. From usability point of view they're better than the classical buttons. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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From martin.sourada at seznam.cz Fri Sep 21 17:30:51 2007 From: martin.sourada at seznam.cz (Martin Sourada) Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 19:30:51 +0200 Subject: Nodoka Metacity Theme In-Reply-To: <1190392428l.5363l.0l@castello> References: <1190307866l.4264l.3l@castello> <1190390910.19809.75.camel@pc-notebook> <1190391425l.4907l.0l@castello> <1190392198.19809.81.camel@pc-notebook> <1190392428l.5363l.0l@castello> Message-ID: <1190395851.19809.85.camel@pc-notebook> On Fri, 2007-09-21 at 18:33 +0200, Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek wrote: > > From usability point of view they're better than the > > classical > > buttons. > > Yes, it's right, but they're too flat, too simple. > I don't like them. Some of Clearlooks-alike Nodoka proposed M-city were > better (IMHO). > Originally they were not done much good, but after the changes in 0.3.2 they're a lot better (they use same gradient type as the gtk theme). They're showed e.g. at the wiki [1]. 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So I created a variant with > similar colours to those in gnome, I also used the same shape as in > system-stanby, the variant with circle and dash inside seems to be > harder to display correctly, especially in small sizes. I attach it as > well (I did only 48x48 version). If we used this styling then the only > action needed to produce full set would be to change colours in the > system-standby to the system-shutdown and do the same gimp work. > Hmm, for some reasons that version of system-shutdown feels blah. I attached a less vibrant version of the original. Not sure why the smallest version is hard to see. I have committed system-standby meanwhile. Luya -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: system-shutdown48a.png Type: image/png Size: 4532 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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From liviopl.pl at gmail.com Fri Sep 21 18:20:32 2007 From: liviopl.pl at gmail.com (Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek) Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 20:20:32 +0200 Subject: Revamped Echo system-standby icon In-Reply-To: <46F405BD.1070202@thefinalzone.com> (from luya_tfz@thefinalzone.com on Fri Sep 21 19:56:13 2007) References: <46F30DE7.9080900@thefinalzone.com> <1190362658.19809.39.camel@pc-notebook> <1190363742.19809.44.camel@pc-notebook> <1190365482.19809.50.camel@pc-notebook> <1190366427.19809.58.camel@pc-notebook> <46F38FC2.2070703@thefinalzone.com> <1190369666.19809.68.camel@pc-notebook> <46F405BD.1070202@thefinalzone.com> Message-ID: <1190398832l.2396l.1l@castello> Better. From liviopl.pl at gmail.com Fri Sep 21 18:24:48 2007 From: liviopl.pl at gmail.com (Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek) Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 20:24:48 +0200 Subject: [ECHO] Gradients Message-ID: <1190399088l.2396l.2l@castello> Hi, it's me, again (; . I have one simple proposal: gradients in Echo icons should be very very ligher, or pallette should be darker and brighter in some places. Look at Tango! pallette, colors are so messy/dirty/nasty (lighter contrast). Icon outline, gradient, little glance - this style makes Tango! icons readable even at 16x16, where with Echo are some problems. I do not want Echo to be not colorful, but I want pallette to be consistent. What about remaking the pallette? PS: I know, you did many icons and making them from the beginning isn't easy, but I want Fedora to be beautiful and polished. From tw2113 at gmail.com Fri Sep 21 18:42:01 2007 From: tw2113 at gmail.com (Michael Beckwith) Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 13:42:01 -0500 Subject: Nodoka Metacity Theme In-Reply-To: <1190398804l.2396l.0l@castello> References: <1190307866l.4264l.3l@castello> <1190390910.19809.75.camel@pc-notebook> <1190391425l.4907l.0l@castello> <1190392198.19809.81.camel@pc-notebook> <1190392428l.5363l.0l@castello> <1190395851.19809.85.camel@pc-notebook> <1190398804l.2396l.0l@castello> Message-ID: <9b437e950709211142v2b0eaea6j6a067e8b050a6493@mail.gmail.com> Not trying to attack you because you are trying to help and I feel want the best for the icon sets and whatnot, but saying "I don't like them" makes it sound like you're trying to get everyone to tailor the sets to your preference. There is a difference between this and constructive criticism. That said, I think it's just a matter of word choices. Saying something like "I think that such and such could be improved in such and such ways because they don't work in such and such ways." Plus we need to remember that just cause someone here on the list doesn't like them, someone else in the world may like them. All that said, I think it's good that we're going through this many rounds of criticism and improvement brainstorming, as it is going to refine them more and more and create a VERY nice set to work with. On 9/21/07, Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek wrote: > > It looks better, but the top and bottom 'padding' in theme (distance > from text to border) is too small and from close button to the right > border is too big. > > PS: I'll always be honest. Always. > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list > -- ~Michael http://ridleytx.structed.net (for now) http://www.michaelbox.net (eventually) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mclasen at redhat.com Fri Sep 21 18:47:38 2007 From: mclasen at redhat.com (Matthias Clasen) Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 14:47:38 -0400 Subject: Nodoka Metacity Theme In-Reply-To: <1190392428l.5363l.0l@castello> References: <1190307866l.4264l.3l@castello> <1190390910.19809.75.camel@pc-notebook> <1190391425l.4907l.0l@castello> <1190392198.19809.81.camel@pc-notebook> <1190392428l.5363l.0l@castello> Message-ID: <1190400458.4534.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Fri, 2007-09-21 at 18:33 +0200, Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek wrote: > > From usability point of view they're better than the > > classical > > buttons. > > Yes, it's right, but they're too flat, too simple. > I don't like them. Some of Clearlooks-alike Nodoka proposed M-city were > better (IMHO). > As a contrasting opinion, I like the current Nodoka metacity buttons a lot. It is nice that they are so simple. From liviopl.pl at gmail.com Fri Sep 21 18:48:01 2007 From: liviopl.pl at gmail.com (Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek) Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 20:48:01 +0200 Subject: Nodoka Metacity Theme In-Reply-To: <9b437e950709211142v2b0eaea6j6a067e8b050a6493@mail.gmail.com> (from tw2113@gmail.com on Fri Sep 21 20:42:01 2007) References: <1190307866l.4264l.3l@castello> <1190390910.19809.75.camel@pc-notebook> <1190391425l.4907l.0l@castello> <1190392198.19809.81.camel@pc-notebook> <1190392428l.5363l.0l@castello> <1190395851.19809.85.camel@pc-notebook> <1190398804l.2396l.0l@castello> <9b437e950709211142v2b0eaea6j6a067e8b050a6493@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1190400481l.2970l.0l@castello> Hi, I'll remember to don't use words like "I don't like it", but it would be very hard for me. I'm such egoist :D . BTW, I think the panel applet's handle is too big (the dots). Little bit smaller and Nodoka is perfect :) . From liviopl.pl at gmail.com Fri Sep 21 18:50:37 2007 From: liviopl.pl at gmail.com (Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek) Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 20:50:37 +0200 Subject: Nodoka Metacity Theme In-Reply-To: <1190400458.4534.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> (from mclasen@redhat.com on Fri Sep 21 20:47:38 2007) References: <1190307866l.4264l.3l@castello> <1190390910.19809.75.camel@pc-notebook> <1190391425l.4907l.0l@castello> <1190392198.19809.81.camel@pc-notebook> <1190392428l.5363l.0l@castello> <1190400458.4534.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1190400637l.3012l.0l@castello> I know what 'll do. I will say nothing about M-City theme. Surely it will be changed by you and I will be satisfied. As usual - do your best ;) . From mclasen at redhat.com Fri Sep 21 18:55:32 2007 From: mclasen at redhat.com (Matthias Clasen) Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 14:55:32 -0400 Subject: Missing pieces In-Reply-To: <1190130938.4221.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1190130938.4221.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1190400932.4534.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Tue, 2007-09-18 at 11:55 -0400, Matthias Clasen wrote: > As you probably know, we are one week away from test3 freeze, so we need > to get the remaining missing pieces of F8 artwork in place. Here is my > list: It just occurred to me that I left out the gnome splash screen. Certainly a lower priority, since we don't turn it on by default. But if there is excessive creative energy on this list, that is one place where it could be spent... Matthias From liviopl.pl at gmail.com Fri Sep 21 19:10:25 2007 From: liviopl.pl at gmail.com (Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek) Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 21:10:25 +0200 Subject: Missing pieces In-Reply-To: <1190400932.4534.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> (from mclasen@redhat.com on Fri Sep 21 20:55:32 2007) References: <1190130938.4221.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1190400932.4534.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1190401825l.3137l.0l@castello> Hi, I always loved Fedora splash screens. Not rectangular, not oval, but always with some semi-transparent pieces. Lovely! I hope F8's splash screen will also be amazing piece of work :) . PS: As I promised I'm honest. PS2: I'm person which always turns splash screen on. From martin.sourada at seznam.cz Fri Sep 21 19:59:42 2007 From: martin.sourada at seznam.cz (Martin Sourada) Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 21:59:42 +0200 Subject: Revamped Echo system-standby icon In-Reply-To: <46F405BD.1070202@thefinalzone.com> References: <46F30DE7.9080900@thefinalzone.com> <1190362658.19809.39.camel@pc-notebook> <1190363742.19809.44.camel@pc-notebook> <1190365482.19809.50.camel@pc-notebook> <1190366427.19809.58.camel@pc-notebook> <46F38FC2.2070703@thefinalzone.com> <1190369666.19809.68.camel@pc-notebook> <46F405BD.1070202@thefinalzone.com> Message-ID: <1190404782.19809.95.camel@pc-notebook> On Fri, 2007-09-21 at 19:56 +0200, Luya Tshimbalanga wrote: > Hmm, for some reasons that version of system-shutdown feels blah. I attached a > less vibrant version of the original. Not sure why the smallest version is hard to see. > I have committed system-standby meanwhile. > > Luya I attach the patched icon (proportions and shadow). Smaller sizes will come later. 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Smooth, readable cursors with: a) hour-glass in FC1-FC4 b) spinner from FC5 2. "Wait" and "busy" types Windows XP used hour-glass like Fedora up to 4, Windows Vista uses spinner as Fedora from 5. Ubuntu uses spinner, openSUSE uses spinner. Mac OSX uses spinner. Many spinner types: http://ajaxload.info/ 3. Color pallette, hands Usually, there are white cursors with black outline, and vice versa - black cursors with white outline. It should not change in my opinion. Cursors are mostly provided in two versions: left~ and righthanded. Summary: cursors must use Echo style and hour-glass or spinner as wait and busy cursors. Echo must provide left and righthanded versions and minimum 2 coloristic versions: white and black. If you want - more. From martin.sourada at seznam.cz Fri Sep 21 20:49:27 2007 From: martin.sourada at seznam.cz (Martin Sourada) Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 22:49:27 +0200 Subject: Cursors In-Reply-To: <1190407070l.3886l.0l@castello> References: <1190407070l.3886l.0l@castello> Message-ID: <1190407767.19809.103.camel@pc-notebook> On Fri, 2007-09-21 at 22:37 +0200, Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek wrote: > Hi, > > I want to tell you few words about Echo cursors idea. > > > > 1. Cursors > > Red Hat cursors were using Bluecurve style - even if other artwork was > not Bluecurve, cursors were looking nice. > > Smooth, readable cursors with: > > a) hour-glass in FC1-FC4 > b) spinner from FC5 > > 2. "Wait" and "busy" types > > Windows XP used hour-glass like Fedora up to 4, Windows Vista uses > spinner as Fedora from 5. > > Ubuntu uses spinner, openSUSE uses spinner. > Mac OSX uses spinner. > > Many spinner types: http://ajaxload.info/ > > 3. Color pallette, hands > > Usually, there are white cursors with black outline, and vice versa - > black cursors with white outline. It should not change in my opinion. > > Cursors are mostly provided in two versions: left~ and righthanded. > > > > Summary: cursors must use Echo style and hour-glass or spinner as wait > and busy cursors. > > Echo must provide left and righthanded versions and minimum 2 > coloristic versions: white and black. If you want - more. > > Great analyse, you might want to look at the current pages about the cursors, some of the things you mentioned are already there. ;-) http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/EchoCursors Martin -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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From martin.sourada at seznam.cz Fri Sep 21 21:04:34 2007 From: martin.sourada at seznam.cz (Martin Sourada) Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 23:04:34 +0200 Subject: Cursors In-Reply-To: <1190408305l.4075l.0l@castello> References: <1190407070l.3886l.0l@castello> <1190407767.19809.103.camel@pc-notebook> <1190408305l.4075l.0l@castello> Message-ID: <1190408674.19809.107.camel@pc-notebook> On Fri, 2007-09-21 at 22:58 +0200, Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek wrote: > Brrr. Cursors shown on that page resemble me many games... > Those cursors are not consistent with Echo style. > > Why change classic arrow to an triangle? > Please... > These are sketches, nothing more. We didn't not decided yet on the look of the cursors. If you have an idea, add it there. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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This means other sizes for > system-shutdown and 24x24 size for system-standby. > I have made svg version of 24x24 icons. These icons look good especially the 16x16. The set is ready to be pushed in the trunk when I will go home. -- Luya Tshimbalanga Fedora Project contributor http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/LuyaTshimbalanga From ivazqueznet at gmail.com Sat Sep 22 07:28:24 2007 From: ivazqueznet at gmail.com (Ignacio Vazquez-Abrams) Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2007 03:28:24 -0400 Subject: Nodoka issues Message-ID: <1190446104.3259.12.camel@ignacio.lan> I've installed Nodoka on F7 and I've noticed a few issues, both aesthetic and technical. 1) Highlighted menu options appear light gray on medium gray. http://ivazquez.fedorapeople.org/images/nodoka-menu.png (slight aside: medium gray is used in other places to indicate a disabled item. This may result in some user confusion.) 2) It is difficult to see which window will get focus when they are tiled or nested and Alt-Tab is used to switch. 3) Unfocused tabs seem just a bit too dark. Or maybe too saturated. http://ivazquez.fedorapeople.org/images/nodoka-tabs.png 4) (purely opinion) The caption buttons might look nicer moved 4 to 6 pixels to the right. 5) The packages are misnamed. They should be gtk2-engine-nodoka, gnome-theme-nodoka, and metacity-theme-nodoka. -- Ignacio Vazquez-Abrams PLEASE don't CC me; I'm already subscribed -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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This may result in some user confusion.) > > 2) It is difficult to see which window will get focus when they are > tiled or nested and Alt-Tab is used to switch. > > 3) Unfocused tabs seem just a bit too dark. Or maybe too saturated. > http://ivazquez.fedorapeople.org/images/nodoka-tabs.png It is a packages incompatibility problem... The package from F8 does not work in F7. If you rebuild it (rpmbuild --rebuild gtk-nodoka-engine-0.6-2.fc8.src.rpm) or build from sources then the above mentioned issues should be fixed. > > 4) (purely opinion) The caption buttons might look nicer moved 4 to 6 > pixels to the right. > I am not sure I understand what you mean? The button on the left or the buttons on the right? Or something completely different? > 5) The packages are misnamed. They should be gtk2-engine-nodoka, > gnome-theme-nodoka, and metacity-theme-nodoka. > gtk-engine-nodoka as in gtk-engine-murrine. No point in changing already used naming schemes. nodoka-theme-gnome is used because the main name is nodoka theme (similar scheme to beryl-gnome, which is metapackage pulling all gnome related beryl bits in), so I put it in the front, noone mentioned it as an issue in the review request, also there are currently no naming guidelines for that AFAIK. nodoka-metacity-theme as in {echo,tango}-icon-theme. I looked at various theme packages that were in the repos and decided on these names after. If there are any guidelines concerning this, please forward me to them, if not it would be good to create ones, what do you think? Thanks, Martin -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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From liviopl.pl at gmail.com Sat Sep 22 15:35:02 2007 From: liviopl.pl at gmail.com (Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek) Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2007 17:35:02 +0200 Subject: Metacity theme issue Message-ID: <1190475302l.4081l.0l@castello> Hi, There's one issue with newest Nodoka M-city theme. When I hover close, maximize or minimize button - nothing happens, but when I hover window menu button - all possible buttons are in prelight/ hover state. That's strange. I'm using Compiz Fusion with GNOME Window Decorator (using M-city themes). From tw2113 at gmail.com Sat Sep 22 19:21:55 2007 From: tw2113 at gmail.com (Michael Beckwith) Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2007 14:21:55 -0500 Subject: Metacity theme issue In-Reply-To: <1190475302l.4081l.0l@castello> References: <1190475302l.4081l.0l@castello> Message-ID: <9b437e950709221221p4ebf16d0k981ebdc0dd878f65@mail.gmail.com> Not sure what to say about this cause I just installed the nodoka theme and enabled compiz fusion, and they have hover states working. On 9/22/07, Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek wrote: > > Hi, > > There's one issue with newest Nodoka M-city theme. > When I hover close, maximize or minimize button - nothing happens, but > when I hover window menu button - all possible buttons are in prelight/ > hover state. That's strange. > > I'm using Compiz Fusion with GNOME Window Decorator (using M-city > themes). > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list > -- ~Michael http://ridleytx.structed.net (for now) http://www.michaelbox.net (eventually) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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From ivazqueznet at gmail.com Sat Sep 22 22:33:45 2007 From: ivazqueznet at gmail.com (Ignacio Vazquez-Abrams) Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2007 18:33:45 -0400 Subject: Nodoka issues In-Reply-To: <1190450364.19809.122.camel@pc-notebook> References: <1190446104.3259.12.camel@ignacio.lan> <1190450364.19809.122.camel@pc-notebook> Message-ID: <1190500425.3259.27.camel@ignacio.lan> On Sat, 2007-09-22 at 10:39 +0200, Martin Sourada wrote: > On Sat, 2007-09-22 at 09:28 +0200, Ignacio Vazquez-Abrams wrote: > > 1) Highlighted menu options appear light gray on medium gray. > > 2) It is difficult to see which window will get focus when they are > > tiled or nested and Alt-Tab is used to switch. > > 3) Unfocused tabs seem just a bit too dark. Or maybe too saturated. > It is a packages incompatibility problem... The package from F8 does not > work in F7. If you rebuild it (rpmbuild --rebuild > gtk-nodoka-engine-0.6-2.fc8.src.rpm) or build from sources then the > above mentioned issues should be fixed. Excellent. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=301851 > > 4) (purely opinion) The caption buttons might look nicer moved 4 to 6 > > pixels to the right. > > > I am not sure I understand what you mean? The button on the left or the > buttons on the right? Or something completely different? The iconize/maximize/close buttons. Compare: http://ivazquez.fedorapeople.org/images/nodoka-tabs.png http://ivazquez.fedorapeople.org/images/nodoka-tabs2.png > > 5) The packages are misnamed. They should be gtk2-engine-nodoka, > > gnome-theme-nodoka, and metacity-theme-nodoka. > > > gtk-engine-nodoka as in gtk-engine-murrine. No point in changing already > used naming schemes. It's disheartening to see "they already screwed up" as justification for this. But at least it's the truth. > nodoka-theme-gnome is used because the main name is nodoka theme > (similar scheme to beryl-gnome, which is metapackage pulling all gnome > related beryl bits in), so I put it in the front, noone mentioned it as > an issue in the review request, also there are currently no naming > guidelines for that AFAIK. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Packaging/NamingGuidelines#head-e865dfbf5ffb4156a1bdf299ace96f48af903a7a "If a new package is considered an "addon" package that enhances or adds a new functionality to an existing Fedora package without being useful on its own, its name should reflect this fact. The new package ("child") should prepend the "parent" package in its name, in the format: %{parent}-%{child}." I see the parent as being gnome, and the child as being nodoka. > nodoka-metacity-theme as in {echo,tango}-icon-theme. Well, that's stretching just a bit. There's a difference between a set of icons packaged to create a theme, and a theme for just a single app. > I looked at various theme packages that were in the repos and decided on > these names after. If there are any guidelines concerning this, please > forward me to them, if not it would be good to create ones, what do you > think? I definitely think this would be a good idea. Plenty of package reviews have come and gone with comments about naming, but still we have contention, as observed here. -- Ignacio Vazquez-Abrams PLEASE don't CC me; I'm already subscribed -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I will continue to admire your efforts in future releases and hope you keep up the great work making Fedora the best distro in the world! ./Ben -- | ..// seawolf //.. | | Ben Arnold | | e-mail / msn / icq / web | | http://clik.to/seawolfsanctuary | | ben.arnold.inbox (at) gmail.com | | iamseawolf (at) gmail (dot) com | | GnuPG Available - ask me! | From tw2113 at gmail.com Sun Sep 23 07:56:25 2007 From: tw2113 at gmail.com (Michael Beckwith) Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2007 02:56:25 -0500 Subject: A little note In-Reply-To: <9c3bfa1d0709230002q3283a5e7g17f9708229e3f29f@mail.gmail.com> References: <9c3bfa1d0709230002q3283a5e7g17f9708229e3f29f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <9b437e950709230056pc77ce76p8459ba887354d771@mail.gmail.com> Good luck with your studies man On 9/23/07, Ben Arnold wrote: > > All - > > You may have noticed I have been rather quiet since the themeing > process for F8 ended. This is because I have been rather busy > preparing to start university and have had no time to contribute to > the Artwork team's endevours. It is with regret that, as I want to > concentrate as much as possible on my studies, I must leave the team > because I feel I can no longer help with them. > > I would like to thank everyone for being so welcoming and positive in > the themeing, icon and UI developments. I will continue to admire your > efforts in future releases and hope you keep up the great work making > Fedora the best distro in the world! > > ./Ben > > -- > | ..// seawolf //.. | > | Ben Arnold | > | e-mail / msn / icq / web | > | http://clik.to/seawolfsanctuary | > | ben.arnold.inbox (at) gmail.com | > | iamseawolf (at) gmail (dot) com | > | GnuPG Available - ask me! | > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list > -- ~Michael http://ridleytx.structed.net (for now) http://www.michaelbox.net (eventually) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I will continue to admire your > efforts in future releases and hope you keep up the great work making > Fedora the best distro in the world! > > ./Ben I understand. When it comes to university, concentrations is a big requirement. The door will still be open whenever you will got the opportunity. Good luck for your study and I hope to see you some day. Sincerely, -- Luya Tshimbalanga Fedora Project contributor http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/LuyaTshimbalanga From nisses.mail at home.se Sun Sep 23 09:38:44 2007 From: nisses.mail at home.se (Andreas Nilsson) Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2007 11:38:44 +0200 Subject: Fedora 8 Test 2 Icon Review In-Reply-To: <46EDB44D.4000202@home.se> References: <46EB6236.2080509@redhat.com> <46EBD882.4040107@home.se> <46EDB44D.4000202@home.se> Message-ID: <46F63424.7080202@home.se> Andreas Nilsson wrote: > Andreas Nilsson wrote: >> M?ir?n Duffy wrote: >>> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/F8Themes/IconReview_Fedora_8_Icon_Review >>> >> ekiga: I know there is a sharp icon around, but I can't find the bug >> #. I'll look into this. Seems the icons are svn is sharp. http://svn.gnome.org/viewcvs/ekiga/trunk/pixmaps/ >> >> gnumeric: vdepizzol did this and sent it off to the maintainer, weird >> that's it's not upsteam yet. [3] http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=450444 > Look&feel: http://andreasn.se/diverse/temp/desktop-effects.tar.gz What package installs this icon, Compiz? - Andreas From liviopl.pl at gmail.com Sun Sep 23 09:40:26 2007 From: liviopl.pl at gmail.com (Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek) Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2007 11:40:26 +0200 Subject: Fedora 8 Test 2 Icon Review In-Reply-To: <46F63424.7080202@home.se> (from nisses.mail@home.se on Sun Sep 23 11:38:44 2007) References: <46EB6236.2080509@redhat.com> <46EBD882.4040107@home.se> <46EDB44D.4000202@home.se> <46F63424.7080202@home.se> Message-ID: <1190540426l.2091l.0l@castello> > > Look&feel: > http://andreasn.se/diverse/temp/desktop-effects.tar.gz > What package installs this icon, Compiz? > compiz or compiz-gnome From martin.sourada at seznam.cz Sat Sep 22 13:21:40 2007 From: martin.sourada at seznam.cz (Martin Sourada) Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2007 15:21:40 +0200 Subject: utilities-system-monitor Echo icon Message-ID: <1190467300.19809.130.camel@pc-notebook> Hi, Luya noted yesterday on IRC that she created Echo icon utilities-system-monitor [1]. 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And for the 16x16 icon.. why does it have to be flat? and not isometric? i mean it's possible to make that one isometric and it looks better. 2007/9/22, Martin Sourada : > Hi, > > Luya noted yesterday on IRC that she created Echo icon > utilities-system-monitor [1]. As she published only SVGs and they again > had wrongly positioned shadow (a bug in svn inkscape?) I d/l them, > edited them slightly and exported pngs. I attach all sizes (24x24 does > not have SVG version because it is done in gimp from the 22x22 png - I > prefer this way than doing the 24x24 icon completely). > > Luya, what do you think of them? All, any comments? > > Thanks, > Martin > > References: > [1] http://luya.fedorapeople.org/images/echo/apps/ > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list > > > From martin.sourada at seznam.cz Sun Sep 23 14:08:21 2007 From: martin.sourada at seznam.cz (Martin Sourada) Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2007 16:08:21 +0200 Subject: utilities-system-monitor Echo icon In-Reply-To: <6e24a8e80709230659n2b447c25s67de4a9d8cdc5b32@mail.gmail.com> References: <1190467300.19809.130.camel@pc-notebook> <6e24a8e80709230659n2b447c25s67de4a9d8cdc5b32@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1190556501.19809.136.camel@pc-notebook> On Sun, 2007-09-23 at 15:59 +0200, Mark wrote: > Looks good. But i would use a little more shadow behind the icon. I thought that as well at first, but then we would need to make the icon yet a bit smaller so that the shadow fits in the canvas. > And for the 16x16 icon.. why does it have to be flat? and not > isometric? i mean it's possible to make that one isometric and it > looks better. > I'd wonder, we decided that we'll use flat perspective for all 16x16 because most of the icons would not look good in isometric perspective at that size and we need some consistency. I don't think this one would look good at 16x16 if it was isometric either. I suppose you tried it, so could you share you creation with us? ;-) Thanks, Martin -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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(gotta download inkscape first) From markg85 at gmail.com Sun Sep 23 14:23:47 2007 From: markg85 at gmail.com (Mark) Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2007 16:23:47 +0200 Subject: utilities-system-monitor Echo icon In-Reply-To: <6e24a8e80709230710p48a44a51pf9b95e95420539b1@mail.gmail.com> References: <1190467300.19809.130.camel@pc-notebook> <6e24a8e80709230659n2b447c25s67de4a9d8cdc5b32@mail.gmail.com> <1190556501.19809.136.camel@pc-notebook> <6e24a8e80709230710p48a44a51pf9b95e95420539b1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <6e24a8e80709230723n271f8cdfyc146a16538b1d8c5@mail.gmail.com> Oke done it I think it still looks good ^_^ But now that i've seen the source i have some more suggestions. You aren't fully using the size that you can use. So if you bring the icon itself a little more to the front than you can increase the shadow as well. 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So if you bring the icon > itself a little more to the front than you can increase the shadow as > well. Also if you want the border to look good (or better) in the > 16x16 than you just have to fatten up the outter border a little. As you might noticed it looks rather as a flat icon positioned on an isometric grid - all depth is gone. I like the true flat one better - the isometric one isn't bad, but it is rather hard to recognise, harder to align to pixel grid,... -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From martin.sourada at seznam.cz Sun Sep 23 14:30:47 2007 From: martin.sourada at seznam.cz (Martin Sourada) Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2007 16:30:47 +0200 Subject: Nodoka issues In-Reply-To: <1190500425.3259.27.camel@ignacio.lan> References: <1190446104.3259.12.camel@ignacio.lan> <1190450364.19809.122.camel@pc-notebook> <1190500425.3259.27.camel@ignacio.lan> Message-ID: <1190557847.19809.155.camel@pc-notebook> On Sun, 2007-09-23 at 00:33 +0200, Ignacio Vazquez-Abrams wrote: > Excellent. > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=301851 > Thanks for that. > The iconize/maximize/close buttons. Compare: > http://ivazquez.fedorapeople.org/images/nodoka-tabs.png > http://ivazquez.fedorapeople.org/images/nodoka-tabs2.png > Hm... I see what you mean now. I like the first one better for some reason, but I can try to make a compromise - I'll play with various positions and decide what seems best. > > > 5) The packages are misnamed. They should be gtk2-engine-nodoka, > > > gnome-theme-nodoka, and metacity-theme-nodoka. > > > > > gtk-engine-nodoka as in gtk-engine-murrine. No point in changing already > > used naming schemes. > > It's disheartening to see "they already screwed up" as justification for > this. But at least it's the truth. > Yep, I dunno whether this naming scheme is screwed up, but I see no point in using two different schemes in one repo. > > nodoka-theme-gnome is used because the main name is nodoka theme > > (similar scheme to beryl-gnome, which is metapackage pulling all gnome > > related beryl bits in), so I put it in the front, noone mentioned it as > > an issue in the review request, also there are currently no naming > > guidelines for that AFAIK. > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Packaging/NamingGuidelines#head-e865dfbf5ffb4156a1bdf299ace96f48af903a7a > > "If a new package is considered an "addon" package that enhances or adds > a new functionality to an existing Fedora package without being useful > on its own, its name should reflect this fact. > > The new package ("child") should prepend the "parent" package in its > name, in the format: %{parent}-%{child}." > > I see the parent as being gnome, and the child as being nodoka. > Well, yet never complained about that till now (not a justification). Better move this part of discussion to -devel (CC-ing). But from my point of view I see nodoka as the parent and the children are theme for metacity, theme+engine for gtk2 and gnome metatheme (and more will hopefully come later), so IMHO it is rather questionable in this case. And as I used these names in upstream packages as well it would require a change there as well, because I AFAIK fedora package name should not differ from upstream name (save for the parent additions in addons packages). > > nodoka-metacity-theme as in {echo,tango}-icon-theme. > > Well, that's stretching just a bit. There's a difference between a set > of icons packaged to create a theme, and a theme for just a single app. > You're probably right there. Martin > > I looked at various theme packages that were in the repos and decided on > > these names after. If there are any guidelines concerning this, please > > forward me to them, if not it would be good to create ones, what do you > > think? > > I definitely think this would be a good idea. Plenty of package reviews > have come and gone with comments about naming, but still we have > contention, as observed here. > -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From liviopl.pl at gmail.com Sun Sep 23 14:29:44 2007 From: liviopl.pl at gmail.com (Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek) Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2007 16:29:44 +0200 Subject: Sounds Message-ID: <1190557784l.10127l.0l@castello> Hi! I have proposal for sound ideas (we should bring a new "ding", kidding). Here are some my sound associations, ideas. login - birds logout - wind click - click menu - knock error - "gong" question - "ding" Ubuntu Studio has great sound set [1]. You can easily download them [2] . [1] http://packages.ubuntu.com/gutsy/gnome/ubuntustudio-sounds [2] http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/universe/u/ubuntustudio-sounds/ubuntustudio-sounds_0.5.tar.gz -- Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek http://liviopl.jogger.pl/ From liviopl.pl at gmail.com Sun Sep 23 14:32:10 2007 From: liviopl.pl at gmail.com (Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek) Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2007 16:32:10 +0200 Subject: Nodoka issues In-Reply-To: <1190557847.19809.155.camel@pc-notebook> (from martin.sourada@seznam.cz on Sun Sep 23 16:30:47 2007) References: <1190446104.3259.12.camel@ignacio.lan> <1190450364.19809.122.camel@pc-notebook> <1190500425.3259.27.camel@ignacio.lan> <1190557847.19809.155.camel@pc-notebook> Message-ID: <1190557930l.10127l.1l@castello> Hi, There's not difference in package naming because of Nodoka inclusion in F8 (; . From markg85 at gmail.com Sun Sep 23 15:03:06 2007 From: markg85 at gmail.com (Mark) Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2007 17:03:06 +0200 Subject: utilities-system-monitor Echo icon In-Reply-To: <1190557812.19809.154.camel@pc-notebook> References: <1190467300.19809.130.camel@pc-notebook> <6e24a8e80709230659n2b447c25s67de4a9d8cdc5b32@mail.gmail.com> <1190556501.19809.136.camel@pc-notebook> <6e24a8e80709230710p48a44a51pf9b95e95420539b1@mail.gmail.com> <6e24a8e80709230723n271f8cdfyc146a16538b1d8c5@mail.gmail.com> <1190557812.19809.154.camel@pc-notebook> Message-ID: <6e24a8e80709230803t2054c780o399ed7ac192cc683@mail.gmail.com> If you want consistency than they all need to be isometric. From markg85 at gmail.com Sun Sep 23 15:11:21 2007 From: markg85 at gmail.com (Mark) Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2007 17:11:21 +0200 Subject: text-x-generic-template redesign Message-ID: <6e24a8e80709230811j15e83081g7a172e6ad7dca82@mail.gmail.com> Hey, Like i said before.. i don't like alot of the echo icons (i also like alot) but i didn't had the idea to make new icons myself.. simply because i thought i couldn't do it specially in inkscape.. Well i can't make it from scratch yet but i can make edits. This time "text-x-generic-template" was the one that got my attention. I made it light and it seems to be working good on all sizes (16x16 as well). This editing is going good so far. Critics? suggestions? they are all welcome. What i noticed so far is that it might look better if i double or even tripple the border size so that it looks even better on smaller images. The icons are attached in this mail. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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There must not be more then three styles for the set, while for one category of icons not more then two styles must be used. That means we have three perspectives - one dedicated specially for bigger action icons, one dedicated to the rest of the bigger icons and one dedicated specially for smaller sizes. You'll never see an 16x16 and 48x48 icon side by side (or at least you should not). Consistency means that within one size and one category you will use only one styling and only one perspective - but not within the full set (there I described it above). Hope its clear enough, to summarise the perspective usage: flat: 16x16 all, 22x22, 24x24 action icons slightly tilted: 32x32, 48x48 action icons isometric: the rest Regards, Martin -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I made it > light and it seems to be working good on all sizes (16x16 as well). > > This editing is going good so far. > Critics? suggestions? they are all welcome. > Yep... Echo icons are generally darker, it would stand out (which is not good). The lightning is too subtle, borders too light, the object would be really hard to recognise on first look even in the 48x48 size. The shadow is too big and does look strange (the positioning is completely different from all other Echo icons). > What i noticed so far is that it might look better if i double or even > tripple the border size so that it looks even better on smaller > images. > I would, a lot... First, create the big icon. You must align it to the pixel grid, so that it does not look blurry. Then work on smaller sizes and use different sources for 32x32, 22x22 and 16x16 - the alignment to the pixel grid is different, the borders need to be wider for smaller sizes, the icon usually needs to be simplified for smaller sizes, the 16x16 icon must use flat perspective. > The icons are attached in this mail. I appreciate your efforts a lot, but I must note the issues as well, sorry for me being so critic... :) Martin -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From markg85 at gmail.com Sun Sep 23 15:37:45 2007 From: markg85 at gmail.com (Mark) Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2007 17:37:45 +0200 Subject: text-x-generic-template redesign In-Reply-To: <1190561297.19809.172.camel@pc-notebook> References: <6e24a8e80709230811j15e83081g7a172e6ad7dca82@mail.gmail.com> <1190561297.19809.172.camel@pc-notebook> Message-ID: <6e24a8e80709230837v566d81b1ib4a095556e81f75d@mail.gmail.com> > You must align it to the > pixel grid, so that it does not look blurry. How do i do that? i'm not advanced in inkscape (yet) From markg85 at gmail.com Sun Sep 23 15:42:41 2007 From: markg85 at gmail.com (Mark) Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2007 17:42:41 +0200 Subject: utilities-system-monitor Echo icon In-Reply-To: <1190561182.19809.168.camel@pc-notebook> References: <1190467300.19809.130.camel@pc-notebook> <6e24a8e80709230659n2b447c25s67de4a9d8cdc5b32@mail.gmail.com> <1190556501.19809.136.camel@pc-notebook> <6e24a8e80709230710p48a44a51pf9b95e95420539b1@mail.gmail.com> <6e24a8e80709230723n271f8cdfyc146a16538b1d8c5@mail.gmail.com> <1190557812.19809.154.camel@pc-notebook> <6e24a8e80709230803t2054c780o399ed7ac192cc683@mail.gmail.com> <1190561182.19809.168.camel@pc-notebook> Message-ID: <6e24a8e80709230842r7e852b23ua2ec0019771c72c6@mail.gmail.com> sounds good From markg85 at gmail.com Sun Sep 23 15:47:48 2007 From: markg85 at gmail.com (Mark) Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2007 17:47:48 +0200 Subject: Sounds In-Reply-To: <1190557784l.10127l.0l@castello> References: <1190557784l.10127l.0l@castello> Message-ID: <6e24a8e80709230847k3cb9bdd7nde30978bb6dc0e5c@mail.gmail.com> I agree that sounds need to get in Fedora. but birds for the login..?? please don't. Those ubuntu sounds are cool but too long to use (specially login). btw does anyone know which programs i can use to make those sounds? From liviopl.pl at gmail.com Sun Sep 23 15:51:19 2007 From: liviopl.pl at gmail.com (Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek) Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2007 17:51:19 +0200 Subject: text-x-generic-template redesign In-Reply-To: <6e24a8e80709230811j15e83081g7a172e6ad7dca82@mail.gmail.com> (from markg85@gmail.com on Sun Sep 23 17:11:21 2007) References: <6e24a8e80709230811j15e83081g7a172e6ad7dca82@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1190562679l.11015l.0l@castello> Great icon :) . PS: How GNOME would generate text preview on isometric icon? From markg85 at gmail.com Sun Sep 23 15:55:13 2007 From: markg85 at gmail.com (Mark) Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2007 17:55:13 +0200 Subject: text-x-generic-template redesign In-Reply-To: <1190562679l.11015l.0l@castello> References: <6e24a8e80709230811j15e83081g7a172e6ad7dca82@mail.gmail.com> <1190562679l.11015l.0l@castello> Message-ID: <6e24a8e80709230855x18a617edsd3a07b913ab7294a@mail.gmail.com> Good question it's probably gonna look ugly so that generation stuff will have to be turned off (if possible) From liviopl.pl at gmail.com Sun Sep 23 15:54:31 2007 From: liviopl.pl at gmail.com (Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek) Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2007 17:54:31 +0200 Subject: Sounds In-Reply-To: <6e24a8e80709230847k3cb9bdd7nde30978bb6dc0e5c@mail.gmail.com> (from markg85@gmail.com on Sun Sep 23 17:47:48 2007) References: <1190557784l.10127l.0l@castello> <6e24a8e80709230847k3cb9bdd7nde30978bb6dc0e5c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1190562871l.11015l.1l@castello> I don't remember address, but there's a site on the web with gpl'ed or cc'ed sounds. Ubuntu sounds are "associated" with Afrika. Fedora should be with America... But I don't want it. If you don't like birds on login, I must to think about something original. Maybe gentle note of piano? Or something smooth, XP-like? Futuristic as Vista? Its hard question. From liviopl.pl at gmail.com Sun Sep 23 16:00:47 2007 From: liviopl.pl at gmail.com (Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek) Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2007 18:00:47 +0200 Subject: text-x-generic-template redesign In-Reply-To: <6e24a8e80709230855x18a617edsd3a07b913ab7294a@mail.gmail.com> (from markg85@gmail.com on Sun Sep 23 17:55:13 2007) References: <6e24a8e80709230811j15e83081g7a172e6ad7dca82@mail.gmail.com> <1190562679l.11015l.0l@castello> <6e24a8e80709230855x18a617edsd3a07b913ab7294a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1190563247l.11015l.2l@castello> No! Don't make big mistake! Text preview is very good idea. Better make icons without stupid (IMHO!) isometric perspective or just make the angle smaller. From markg85 at gmail.com Sun Sep 23 17:04:24 2007 From: markg85 at gmail.com (Mark) Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2007 19:04:24 +0200 Subject: text-x-generic-template redesign In-Reply-To: <1190563247l.11015l.2l@castello> References: <6e24a8e80709230811j15e83081g7a172e6ad7dca82@mail.gmail.com> <1190562679l.11015l.0l@castello> <6e24a8e80709230855x18a617edsd3a07b913ab7294a@mail.gmail.com> <1190563247l.11015l.2l@castello> Message-ID: <6e24a8e80709231004p6b4d7d20x3cf7ad1e3bc34045@mail.gmail.com> It's good indeed but hard to read most of the time. From markg85 at gmail.com Sun Sep 23 17:06:46 2007 From: markg85 at gmail.com (Mark) Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2007 19:06:46 +0200 Subject: Sounds In-Reply-To: <1190562871l.11015l.1l@castello> References: <1190557784l.10127l.0l@castello> <6e24a8e80709230847k3cb9bdd7nde30978bb6dc0e5c@mail.gmail.com> <1190562871l.11015l.1l@castello> Message-ID: <6e24a8e80709231006r37072ec5m8318be0b87f78cb4@mail.gmail.com> I would go for something smooth and clear (not borealis.. sounds good but not good enough) From liviopl.pl at gmail.com Sun Sep 23 17:36:38 2007 From: liviopl.pl at gmail.com (Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek) Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2007 19:36:38 +0200 Subject: Sounds In-Reply-To: <6e24a8e80709231006r37072ec5m8318be0b87f78cb4@mail.gmail.com> (from markg85@gmail.com on Sun Sep 23 19:06:46 2007) References: <1190557784l.10127l.0l@castello> <6e24a8e80709230847k3cb9bdd7nde30978bb6dc0e5c@mail.gmail.com> <1190562871l.11015l.1l@castello> <6e24a8e80709231006r37072ec5m8318be0b87f78cb4@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1190568998l.11853l.0l@castello> > I would go for something smooth and clear (not borealis.. sounds good > but not good enough) Fedora 8 will be graphical revolution (thanks to Nodoka and Infinity theme), but we really need to change sounds (GNOME must too). From jonathan.roberts.uk at googlemail.com Sun Sep 23 17:46:35 2007 From: jonathan.roberts.uk at googlemail.com (Jonathan Roberts) Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2007 18:46:35 +0100 Subject: Sounds In-Reply-To: <1190568998l.11853l.0l@castello> References: <1190557784l.10127l.0l@castello> <6e24a8e80709230847k3cb9bdd7nde30978bb6dc0e5c@mail.gmail.com> <1190562871l.11015l.1l@castello> <6e24a8e80709231006r37072ec5m8318be0b87f78cb4@mail.gmail.com> <1190568998l.11853l.0l@castello> Message-ID: <3263b11b0709231046w409c0f3kb6257db367f214ed@mail.gmail.com> On 23/09/2007, Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek wrote: > > I would go for something smooth and clear (not borealis.. sounds good > > but not good enough) > > Fedora 8 will be graphical revolution (thanks to Nodoka and Infinity > theme), but we really need to change sounds (GNOME must too). How about a bit of Beethoven's 6th symphony broken up into short bits? Provided of course we could find a PD/CC performance :D Jon > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list > From martin.sourada at seznam.cz Sun Sep 23 17:59:34 2007 From: martin.sourada at seznam.cz (Martin Sourada) Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2007 19:59:34 +0200 Subject: text-x-generic-template redesign In-Reply-To: <6e24a8e80709230837v566d81b1ib4a095556e81f75d@mail.gmail.com> References: <6e24a8e80709230811j15e83081g7a172e6ad7dca82@mail.gmail.com> <1190561297.19809.172.camel@pc-notebook> <6e24a8e80709230837v566d81b1ib4a095556e81f75d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1190570374.19809.180.camel@pc-notebook> On Sun, 2007-09-23 at 17:37 +0200, Mark wrote: > > You must align it to the > > pixel grid, so that it does not look blurry. > > How do i do that? > i'm not advanced in inkscape (yet) > In inkscape go to View -> Icon Preview... It will open preview window. 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Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From markg85 at gmail.com Sun Sep 23 18:37:32 2007 From: markg85 at gmail.com (Mark) Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2007 20:37:32 +0200 Subject: text-x-generic-template redesign In-Reply-To: <1190570374.19809.180.camel@pc-notebook> References: <6e24a8e80709230811j15e83081g7a172e6ad7dca82@mail.gmail.com> <1190561297.19809.172.camel@pc-notebook> <6e24a8e80709230837v566d81b1ib4a095556e81f75d@mail.gmail.com> <1190570374.19809.180.camel@pc-notebook> Message-ID: <6e24a8e80709231137r4a6af692j21c4078f9f4b2187@mail.gmail.com> 2007/9/23, Martin Sourada : > > On Sun, 2007-09-23 at 17:37 +0200, Mark wrote: > > > You must align it to the > > > pixel grid, so that it does not look blurry. > > > > How do i do that? > > i'm not advanced in inkscape (yet) > > > > In inkscape go to View -> Icon Preview... It will open preview window. > Play with the shapes in the main window and see what it does when > rendered into pixel grid (hit Refresh in the Icon Preview window). That's what i did so far for all icons.. But thanx for the clarification From martin.sourada at seznam.cz Sun Sep 23 20:25:57 2007 From: martin.sourada at seznam.cz (Martin Sourada) Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2007 22:25:57 +0200 Subject: text-x-generic-template redesign In-Reply-To: <6e24a8e80709231137r4a6af692j21c4078f9f4b2187@mail.gmail.com> References: <6e24a8e80709230811j15e83081g7a172e6ad7dca82@mail.gmail.com> <1190561297.19809.172.camel@pc-notebook> <6e24a8e80709230837v566d81b1ib4a095556e81f75d@mail.gmail.com> <1190570374.19809.180.camel@pc-notebook> <6e24a8e80709231137r4a6af692j21c4078f9f4b2187@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1190579157.19809.183.camel@pc-notebook> On Sun, 2007-09-23 at 20:37 +0200, Mark wrote: > 2007/9/23, Martin Sourada : > > > > On Sun, 2007-09-23 at 17:37 +0200, Mark wrote: > > > > You must align it to the > > > > pixel grid, so that it does not look blurry. > > > > > > How do i do that? > > > i'm not advanced in inkscape (yet) > > > > > > > In inkscape go to View -> Icon Preview... It will open preview window. > > Play with the shapes in the main window and see what it does when > > rendered into pixel grid (hit Refresh in the Icon Preview window). > > That's what i did so far for all icons.. But thanx for the clarification > Yep, the text-x-generic-template looks OK in this way, I noted it just in case - it is one of the most important things. However, in the preview window you can easily notice that the borders for smaller sizes are (nearly) invisible - that is bad. Martin -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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From liviopl.pl at gmail.com Sun Sep 23 21:10:12 2007 From: liviopl.pl at gmail.com (Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek) Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2007 23:10:12 +0200 Subject: text-x-generic-template redesign In-Reply-To: <1190579157.19809.183.camel@pc-notebook> (from martin.sourada@seznam.cz on Sun Sep 23 22:25:57 2007) References: <6e24a8e80709230811j15e83081g7a172e6ad7dca82@mail.gmail.com> <1190561297.19809.172.camel@pc-notebook> <6e24a8e80709230837v566d81b1ib4a095556e81f75d@mail.gmail.com> <1190570374.19809.180.camel@pc-notebook> <6e24a8e80709231137r4a6af692j21c4078f9f4b2187@mail.gmail.com> <1190579157.19809.183.camel@pc-notebook> Message-ID: <1190581812l.2220l.2l@castello> But Martin you know about small text previews issue? From martin.sourada at seznam.cz Sun Sep 23 22:13:59 2007 From: martin.sourada at seznam.cz (Martin Sourada) Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2007 00:13:59 +0200 Subject: text-x-generic-template redesign In-Reply-To: <1190581812l.2220l.2l@castello> References: <6e24a8e80709230811j15e83081g7a172e6ad7dca82@mail.gmail.com> <1190561297.19809.172.camel@pc-notebook> <6e24a8e80709230837v566d81b1ib4a095556e81f75d@mail.gmail.com> <1190570374.19809.180.camel@pc-notebook> <6e24a8e80709231137r4a6af692j21c4078f9f4b2187@mail.gmail.com> <1190579157.19809.183.camel@pc-notebook> <1190581812l.2220l.2l@castello> Message-ID: <1190585639.3394.1.camel@pc-notebook> On Sun, 2007-09-23 at 23:10 +0200, Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek wrote: > But Martin you know about small text previews issue? > The problem that the text cannot be rendered on isometric icon (I already considered this case here) or is it something different? -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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They are ready to be pushed to git repository. -- Luya Tshimbalanga Fedora Project contributor http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/LuyaTshimbalanga From luya_tfz at thefinalzone.com Sun Sep 23 23:10:32 2007 From: luya_tfz at thefinalzone.com (Luya Tshimbalanga) Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2007 19:10:32 -0400 Subject: Sounds In-Reply-To: <1190562871l.11015l.1l@castello> References: <1190557784l.10127l.0l@castello> <6e24a8e80709230847k3cb9bdd7nde30978bb6dc0e5c@mail.gmail.com> <1190562871l.11015l.1l@castello> Message-ID: <1190589032.46f6f268b22ae@ssl.mecca.ca> Quoting Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek : > I don't remember address, but there's a site on the web with gpl'ed or > cc'ed sounds. > > Ubuntu sounds are "associated" with Afrika. > Fedora should be with America... But I don't want it. I agree it will be silly to set sound associate as specific continent. The set should aim to get generic or universal. If necessary, the user can choose a preset of sound on post-installation. -- Luya Tshimbalanga Fedora Project contributor http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/LuyaTshimbalanga From liviopl.pl at gmail.com Mon Sep 24 05:16:20 2007 From: liviopl.pl at gmail.com (Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek) Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2007 07:16:20 +0200 Subject: text-x-generic-template redesign In-Reply-To: <1190585639.3394.1.camel@pc-notebook> (from martin.sourada@seznam.cz on Mon Sep 24 00:13:59 2007) References: <6e24a8e80709230811j15e83081g7a172e6ad7dca82@mail.gmail.com> <1190561297.19809.172.camel@pc-notebook> <6e24a8e80709230837v566d81b1ib4a095556e81f75d@mail.gmail.com> <1190570374.19809.180.camel@pc-notebook> <6e24a8e80709231137r4a6af692j21c4078f9f4b2187@mail.gmail.com> <1190579157.19809.183.camel@pc-notebook> <1190581812l.2220l.2l@castello> <1190585639.3394.1.camel@pc-notebook> Message-ID: <1190610980l.2061l.1l@castello> > The problem that the text cannot be rendered on isometric icon (I > already considered this case here) or is it something different? Exactly this issue. From liviopl.pl at gmail.com Mon Sep 24 05:17:47 2007 From: liviopl.pl at gmail.com (Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek) Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2007 07:17:47 +0200 Subject: Sounds In-Reply-To: <1190589032.46f6f268b22ae@ssl.mecca.ca> (from luya_tfz@thefinalzone.com on Mon Sep 24 01:10:32 2007) References: <1190557784l.10127l.0l@castello> <6e24a8e80709230847k3cb9bdd7nde30978bb6dc0e5c@mail.gmail.com> <1190562871l.11015l.1l@castello> <1190589032.46f6f268b22ae@ssl.mecca.ca> Message-ID: <1190611067l.2061l.2l@castello> > If necessary, the user can choose a preset of sound on post- > installation. Maybe it is good idea. Selecting sound scheme with preview... I'm dreaming :D . From luya_tfz at thefinalzone.com Mon Sep 24 09:34:55 2007 From: luya_tfz at thefinalzone.com (Luya Tshimbalanga) Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2007 02:34:55 -0700 Subject: utilities-system-monitor Echo icon In-Reply-To: <1190467300.19809.130.camel@pc-notebook> References: <1190467300.19809.130.camel@pc-notebook> Message-ID: <46F784BF.5070407@thefinalzone.com> Martin Sourada a ?crit : > Hi, > > Luya noted yesterday on IRC that she created Echo icon > utilities-system-monitor [1]. > *Ahem*, I am actually "he". Luya From markg85 at gmail.com Mon Sep 24 09:48:10 2007 From: markg85 at gmail.com (Mark) Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2007 11:48:10 +0200 Subject: utilities-system-monitor Echo icon In-Reply-To: <46F784BF.5070407@thefinalzone.com> References: <1190467300.19809.130.camel@pc-notebook> <46F784BF.5070407@thefinalzone.com> Message-ID: <6e24a8e80709240248y5952266at519a715fa878ef6e@mail.gmail.com> Hey Luya, What do you think of my attempt? Any suggestiongs? or just the ones that Martin made? From martin.sourada at seznam.cz Mon Sep 24 09:45:44 2007 From: martin.sourada at seznam.cz (Martin Sourada) Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2007 11:45:44 +0200 Subject: utilities-system-monitor Echo icon In-Reply-To: <46F784BF.5070407@thefinalzone.com> References: <1190467300.19809.130.camel@pc-notebook> <46F784BF.5070407@thefinalzone.com> Message-ID: <1190627144.3394.6.camel@pc-notebook> On Mon, 2007-09-24 at 11:34 +0200, Luya Tshimbalanga wrote: > Martin Sourada a ?crit : > > Hi, > > > > Luya noted yesterday on IRC that she created Echo icon > > utilities-system-monitor [1]. > > > > *Ahem*, I am actually "he". > > Luya > I'm sorry. :$ I'll remember it. Hope you can forgive me. Martin -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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From martin.sourada at seznam.cz Mon Sep 24 20:16:10 2007 From: martin.sourada at seznam.cz (Martin Sourada) Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2007 22:16:10 +0200 Subject: utilities-system-monitor Echo icon In-Reply-To: <6e24a8e80709240834w6635b380v76b8ec190ee21d0e@mail.gmail.com> References: <1190467300.19809.130.camel@pc-notebook> <46F784BF.5070407@thefinalzone.com> <1190627144.3394.6.camel@pc-notebook> <6e24a8e80709240834w6635b380v76b8ec190ee21d0e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1190664970.31349.9.camel@pc-notebook> On Mon, 2007-09-24 at 17:34 +0200, Mark wrote: > Sorry, my previous message wasn't meant for this thread. > ignore it. > But it was certainly meant for one thread (I dunno which one though) ;-) If I can give you an advice, it is useful to quote as much of the original message you are answering to as is needed to understand what you are talking about in the mailing lists. It helps you - to not post to the wrong thread - and it helps the others - so they are not confused as to what message do you reply to. But it's not a must, it's only a (useful) recommendation. Cheers, Martin -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From besfahbo at redhat.com Mon Sep 24 18:59:35 2007 From: besfahbo at redhat.com (Behdad Esfahbod) Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2007 14:59:35 -0400 Subject: [Long] Do we need a font SIG ? In-Reply-To: <46F337B2.9000104@redhat.com> References: <6148.192.54.193.51.1189770715.squirrel@rousalka.dyndns.org> <46F337B2.9000104@redhat.com> Message-ID: <1190660375.5055.1.camel@behdad.behdad.org> On Thu, 2007-09-20 at 23:17 -0400, M?ir?n Duffy wrote: > Nicolas Mailhot wrote: > > I created a mockup wiki page to try to make all this clear > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/NicolasMailhot/FontMatrix > > It's far from complete, but I hope it's complete enough to give > > everyone an idea of the potential SIG scope. > > > > So, who wants to play? Is Fedora ready for a font SIG or should I ask > > again next year? > > I'm in! Let's not let this thread die! Who else is in? /me too. > ~m -- behdad http://behdad.org/ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From liviopl.pl at gmail.com Tue Sep 25 12:53:47 2007 From: liviopl.pl at gmail.com (Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek) Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 14:53:47 +0200 Subject: [Long] Do we need a font SIG ? In-Reply-To: <1190660375.5055.1.camel@behdad.behdad.org> (from besfahbo@redhat.com on Mon Sep 24 20:59:35 2007) References: <6148.192.54.193.51.1189770715.squirrel@rousalka.dyndns.org> <46F337B2.9000104@redhat.com> <1190660375.5055.1.camel@behdad.behdad.org> Message-ID: <1190724827l.1921l.0l@castello> > > > So, who wants to play? Is Fedora ready for a font SIG or should I > > > ask > > > again next year? I don't understand what is "font SIG'. From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Tue Sep 25 13:02:59 2007 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 16:02:59 +0300 Subject: [Long] Do we need a font SIG ? In-Reply-To: <1190724827l.1921l.0l@castello> References: <6148.192.54.193.51.1189770715.squirrel@rousalka.dyndns.org> <46F337B2.9000104@redhat.com> <1190660375.5055.1.camel@behdad.behdad.org> <1190724827l.1921l.0l@castello> Message-ID: <46F90703.3030805@nicubunu.ro> Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek wrote: >>>> So, who wants to play? Is Fedora ready for a font SIG or should I >>>> ask >>>> again next year? > > I don't understand what is "font SIG'. A SIG is a "special interest group" - http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs and a "font SIG" is such a group interested in fonts, their use and packaging in Fedora -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From liviopl.pl at gmail.com Tue Sep 25 15:21:20 2007 From: liviopl.pl at gmail.com (Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek) Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 17:21:20 +0200 Subject: [Long] Do we need a font SIG ? In-Reply-To: <46F90703.3030805@nicubunu.ro> (from nicu_fedora@nicubunu.ro on Tue Sep 25 15:02:59 2007) References: <6148.192.54.193.51.1189770715.squirrel@rousalka.dyndns.org> <46F337B2.9000104@redhat.com> <1190660375.5055.1.camel@behdad.behdad.org> <1190724827l.1921l.0l@castello> <46F90703.3030805@nicubunu.ro> Message-ID: <1190733680l.1928l.0l@castello> > A SIG is a "special interest group" - > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs > and a "font SIG" is such a group interested in fonts, their use and > packaging in Fedora Thank you, now I understand it :) . From nicolas.mailhot at laposte.net Tue Sep 25 15:36:32 2007 From: nicolas.mailhot at laposte.net (Nicolas Mailhot) Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 17:36:32 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [Long] Do we need a font SIG ? In-Reply-To: <1190733680l.1928l.0l@castello> References: <6148.192.54.193.51.1189770715.squirrel@rousalka.dyndns.org> <46F337B2.9000104@redhat.com> <1190660375.5055.1.camel@behdad.behdad.org> <1190724827l.1921l.0l@castello> <46F90703.3030805@nicubunu.ro> <1190733680l.1928l.0l@castello> Message-ID: <26217.192.54.193.51.1190734592.squirrel@rousalka.dyndns.org> Le Mar 25 septembre 2007 17:21, Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek a ?crit : >> A SIG is a "special interest group" - >> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs >> and a "font SIG" is such a group interested in fonts, their use and >> packaging in Fedora > > Thank you, now I understand it :) . So do you volunteer some SIG work? :) -- Nicolas Mailhot Font SIG sergeant recruiter From liviopl.pl at gmail.com Tue Sep 25 16:04:16 2007 From: liviopl.pl at gmail.com (Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek) Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 18:04:16 +0200 Subject: [Long] Do we need a font SIG ? In-Reply-To: <26217.192.54.193.51.1190734592.squirrel@rousalka.dyndns.org> References: <6148.192.54.193.51.1189770715.squirrel@rousalka.dyndns.org> <46F337B2.9000104@redhat.com> <1190660375.5055.1.camel@behdad.behdad.org> <1190724827l.1921l.0l@castello> <46F90703.3030805@nicubunu.ro> <1190733680l.1928l.0l@castello> <26217.192.54.193.51.1190734592.squirrel@rousalka.dyndns.org> Message-ID: > So do you volunteer some SIG work? :) What should I do when I'll became font SIG? I should package fonts? Thats all? -- Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek http://liviopl.jogger.pl/ From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Tue Sep 25 16:03:26 2007 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 21:33:26 +0530 Subject: [Long] Do we need a font SIG ? In-Reply-To: References: <6148.192.54.193.51.1189770715.squirrel@rousalka.dyndns.org> <46F337B2.9000104@redhat.com> <1190660375.5055.1.camel@behdad.behdad.org> <1190724827l.1921l.0l@castello> <46F90703.3030805@nicubunu.ro> <1190733680l.1928l.0l@castello> <26217.192.54.193.51.1190734592.squirrel@rousalka.dyndns.org> Message-ID: <46F9314E.6090507@fedoraproject.org> Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek wrote: >> So do you volunteer some SIG work? :) > > What should I do when I'll became font SIG? > I should package fonts? Thats all? A SIG isn't just about about packaging stuff. You can do a lot of related things like review packages waiting for that, write up documentation, lead meetings etc. I haven't done any packaging for the games SIG but I am helping them out with creating a games spin of Fedora for example. Rahul From liviopl.pl at gmail.com Tue Sep 25 16:12:36 2007 From: liviopl.pl at gmail.com (Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek) Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 18:12:36 +0200 Subject: [Long] Do we need a font SIG ? In-Reply-To: <46F9314E.6090507@fedoraproject.org> References: <6148.192.54.193.51.1189770715.squirrel@rousalka.dyndns.org> <46F337B2.9000104@redhat.com> <1190660375.5055.1.camel@behdad.behdad.org> <1190724827l.1921l.0l@castello> <46F90703.3030805@nicubunu.ro> <1190733680l.1928l.0l@castello> <26217.192.54.193.51.1190734592.squirrel@rousalka.dyndns.org> <46F9314E.6090507@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: > > A SIG isn't just about about packaging stuff. You can do a lot of > related things like review packages waiting for that, write up > documentation, lead meetings etc. > I have no time for that things - schools 'eats' my time, I have to study in most of my free time. Sorry :( . -- Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek http://liviopl.jogger.pl/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From liviopl.pl at gmail.com Tue Sep 25 19:13:46 2007 From: liviopl.pl at gmail.com (Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek) Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 21:13:46 +0200 Subject: fedoraproject.org start page Message-ID: <1190747627l.6897l.0l@castello> Hi, The start page [ http://start.fedoraproject.org/ ] is... Ugly. Tomorrow I will start small redesign (in GIMP) and publish here my work. I hope you'll like it. Also, can I please copy of Fedora logos SVGs? -- Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek http://liviopl.jogger.pl/ From fab at fedoraproject.org Tue Sep 25 20:49:50 2007 From: fab at fedoraproject.org (Fabian Affolter) Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 22:49:50 +0200 Subject: fedoraproject.org start page In-Reply-To: <1190747627l.6897l.0l@castello> References: <1190747627l.6897l.0l@castello> Message-ID: <46F9746E.10609@fedoraproject.org> Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek wrote: > Hi, > The start page [ http://start.fedoraproject.org/ ] is... Ugly. > Tomorrow I will start small redesign (in GIMP) and publish here my > work. As written: This page is a mockup for discussion purposes... > I hope you'll like it. Also, can I please copy of Fedora logos SVGs? Send your logo request to logo at fedoraproject.org (maybe it will work) Regards, Fabian From mmcgrath at redhat.com Wed Sep 26 03:36:15 2007 From: mmcgrath at redhat.com (Mike McGrath) Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 22:36:15 -0500 Subject: fedoraproject.org start page In-Reply-To: <46F9746E.10609@fedoraproject.org> References: <1190747627l.6897l.0l@castello> <46F9746E.10609@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <46F9D3AF.9030900@redhat.com> Fabian Affolter wrote: > Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek wrote: > >> Hi, >> The start page [ http://start.fedoraproject.org/ ] is... Ugly. >> Tomorrow I will start small redesign (in GIMP) and publish here my >> work. >> > > As written: This page is a mockup for discussion purposes... > > >> I hope you'll like it. Also, can I please copy of Fedora logos SVGs? >> > > Send your logo request to logo at fedoraproject.org (maybe it will work) > A little background on this, the final agreement between RH and $CORPORATE_SEARCH_ENGINE isn't completely finished yet so thats about all we can put up there. We'll be able to work on it when the final OK is ready. -Mike From liviopl.pl at gmail.com Wed Sep 26 04:54:54 2007 From: liviopl.pl at gmail.com (Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek) Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 06:54:54 +0200 Subject: fedoraproject.org start page In-Reply-To: <46F9D3AF.9030900@redhat.com> (from mmcgrath@redhat.com on Wed Sep 26 05:36:15 2007) References: <1190747627l.6897l.0l@castello> <46F9746E.10609@fedoraproject.org> <46F9D3AF.9030900@redhat.com> Message-ID: <1190782494l.2107l.0l@castello> I wanted to help with design... But if you say no... From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Wed Sep 26 05:40:25 2007 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 08:40:25 +0300 Subject: [Long] Do we need a font SIG ? In-Reply-To: <46F9314E.6090507@fedoraproject.org> References: <6148.192.54.193.51.1189770715.squirrel@rousalka.dyndns.org> <46F337B2.9000104@redhat.com> <1190660375.5055.1.camel@behdad.behdad.org> <1190724827l.1921l.0l@castello> <46F90703.3030805@nicubunu.ro> <1190733680l.1928l.0l@castello> <26217.192.54.193.51.1190734592.squirrel@rousalka.dyndns.org> <46F9314E.6090507@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <46F9F0C9.6050203@nicubunu.ro> Rahul Sundaram wrote: > Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek wrote: >>> So do you volunteer some SIG work? :) >> >> What should I do when I'll became font SIG? >> I should package fonts? Thats all? > > A SIG isn't just about about packaging stuff. You can do a lot of > related things like review packages waiting for that, write up > documentation, lead meetings etc. Or even identify cool free fonts on the net and propose them for packaging. -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Wed Sep 26 05:58:47 2007 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 08:58:47 +0300 Subject: fedoraproject.org start page In-Reply-To: <46F9D3AF.9030900@redhat.com> References: <1190747627l.6897l.0l@castello> <46F9746E.10609@fedoraproject.org> <46F9D3AF.9030900@redhat.com> Message-ID: <46F9F517.9010007@nicubunu.ro> Mike McGrath wrote: > A little background on this, the final agreement between RH and > $CORPORATE_SEARCH_ENGINE isn't completely finished yet so thats about > all we can put up there. We'll be able to work on it when the final OK > is ready. So a such agreement is in the works? Will Fedora get $$$ from it, just how Mozilla get? -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From luya_tfz at thefinalzone.com Wed Sep 26 07:14:02 2007 From: luya_tfz at thefinalzone.com (Luya Tshimbalanga) Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 00:14:02 -0700 Subject: Expanding utilities-terminal icons Message-ID: <46FA06BA.9040301@thefinalzone.com> Hello, I have added more sized icons for utilities-terminal[1]. Also, the menu issues is updated from the latest git version.[2] Ref: [1]http://luya.fedorapeople.org/images/echo/apps/ [2]http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/EchoIconTheme/EchoToDo/Menus Luya From damianvila at gmail.com Wed Sep 26 07:50:47 2007 From: damianvila at gmail.com (Damian Vila) Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 09:50:47 +0200 Subject: [Long] Do we need a font SIG ? In-Reply-To: <46F9F0C9.6050203@nicubunu.ro> References: <6148.192.54.193.51.1189770715.squirrel@rousalka.dyndns.org> <46F337B2.9000104@redhat.com> <1190660375.5055.1.camel@behdad.behdad.org> <1190724827l.1921l.0l@castello> <46F90703.3030805@nicubunu.ro> <1190733680l.1928l.0l@castello> <26217.192.54.193.51.1190734592.squirrel@rousalka.dyndns.org> <46F9314E.6090507@fedoraproject.org> <46F9F0C9.6050203@nicubunu.ro> Message-ID: <46FA0F57.8000800@gmail.com> Hello everybody, My name is Dami?n Vila. I'm a graphic designer living in Madrid, Spain. I subscribed to the list a couple of day ago and wanted to introduce myself. To the topic: in case a SIG is formed, I advise it's members to join the Open Font Library list: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/openfontlibrary I belive that you are very aware of all the free font efforts out there, so it's just a reminder. :-) I'll try to contribute as much as I can. Best regards, D. Nicu Buculei escribi?: > Rahul Sundaram wrote: >> Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek wrote: >>>> So do you volunteer some SIG work? :) >>> >>> What should I do when I'll became font SIG? >>> I should package fonts? Thats all? >> >> A SIG isn't just about about packaging stuff. You can do a lot of >> related things like review packages waiting for that, write up >> documentation, lead meetings etc. > > Or even identify cool free fonts on the net and propose them for > packaging. From luya_tfz at thefinalzone.com Wed Sep 26 08:01:49 2007 From: luya_tfz at thefinalzone.com (Luya Tshimbalanga) Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 01:01:49 -0700 Subject: [Draft] Echo input-tablet iconset Message-ID: <46FA11ED.9060907@thefinalzone.com> Here is a quick overview of input device. The icon might look blurry on 22x22 and 24x24. Ref: http://luya.fedorapeople.org/images/echo/devices/ Luya From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Wed Sep 26 08:46:23 2007 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 11:46:23 +0300 Subject: [Long] Do we need a font SIG ? In-Reply-To: <46FA0F57.8000800@gmail.com> References: <6148.192.54.193.51.1189770715.squirrel@rousalka.dyndns.org> <46F337B2.9000104@redhat.com> <1190660375.5055.1.camel@behdad.behdad.org> <1190724827l.1921l.0l@castello> <46F90703.3030805@nicubunu.ro> <1190733680l.1928l.0l@castello> <26217.192.54.193.51.1190734592.squirrel@rousalka.dyndns.org> <46F9314E.6090507@fedoraproject.org> <46F9F0C9.6050203@nicubunu.ro> <46FA0F57.8000800@gmail.com> Message-ID: <46FA1C5F.3050400@nicubunu.ro> Damian Vila wrote: > Hello everybody, Hell Damian, > My name is Dami?n Vila. I'm a graphic designer living in Madrid, Spain. > I subscribed to the list a couple of day ago and wanted to introduce myself. Welcome! > To the topic: in case a SIG is formed, I advise it's members to join the > Open Font Library list: > http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/openfontlibrary I am not active these days, but I was one of its founders, back when it was split from the Open Clip Art Library. > I belive that you are very aware of all the free font efforts out there, > so it's just a reminder. :-) Reading the initiative which started this all, http://mihmo.livejournal.com/45152.html, you will see the Open Font Library was one of the resources used. > I'll try to contribute as much as I can. -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From nicolas.mailhot at laposte.net Wed Sep 26 09:43:31 2007 From: nicolas.mailhot at laposte.net (Nicolas Mailhot) Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 11:43:31 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [Long] Do we need a font SIG ? In-Reply-To: <46F9F0C9.6050203@nicubunu.ro> References: <6148.192.54.193.51.1189770715.squirrel@rousalka.dyndns.org> <46F337B2.9000104@redhat.com> <1190660375.5055.1.camel@behdad.behdad.org> <1190724827l.1921l.0l@castello> <46F90703.3030805@nicubunu.ro> <1190733680l.1928l.0l@castello> <26217.192.54.193.51.1190734592.squirrel@rousalka.dyndns.org> <46F9314E.6090507@fedoraproject.org> <46F9F0C9.6050203@nicubunu.ro> Message-ID: <46482.192.54.193.51.1190799811.squirrel@rousalka.dyndns.org> Le Mer 26 septembre 2007 07:40, Nicu Buculei a ?crit : > Rahul Sundaram wrote: >> Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek wrote: >>>> So do you volunteer some SIG work? :) >>> >>> What should I do when I'll became font SIG? >>> I should package fonts? Thats all? >> >> A SIG isn't just about about packaging stuff. You can do a lot of >> related things like review packages waiting for that, write up >> documentation, lead meetings etc. > > Or even identify cool free fonts on the net and propose them for > packaging. The draft incomplete Font SIG space has more info about all this http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/Fonts Comments/corrections/contributions are welcome. Anyone interested in taking a one-time #fedora-meeting slot to coordinate actions? Right now I'm feeling a bit lonely there Regards, -- Nicolas Mailhot From martin.sourada at seznam.cz Wed Sep 26 12:42:49 2007 From: martin.sourada at seznam.cz (Martin Sourada) Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 14:42:49 +0200 Subject: [Draft] Echo input-tablet iconset In-Reply-To: <46FA11ED.9060907@thefinalzone.com> References: <46FA11ED.9060907@thefinalzone.com> Message-ID: <1190810569.1124.11.camel@pc-notebook> On Wed, 2007-09-26 at 10:01 +0200, Luya Tshimbalanga wrote: > Here is a quick overview of input device. The icon might look > blurry on 22x22 and 24x24. > > Ref: > http://luya.fedorapeople.org/images/echo/devices/ > > Luya > IMHO you should optimise the smaller icons a little - thicker borders and thicker pen should be enough (compare it e.g. with preferences-desktop-peripherals, unfortunately I didn't created special SVGs for smaller sizes, but the PNGs are exported from edited ones), in the 16x16 I would remove most of the pen (so that only part of it will be seen) as it is seems to small at this size when displayed whole. Martin -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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From martin.sourada at seznam.cz Wed Sep 26 13:13:20 2007 From: martin.sourada at seznam.cz (Martin Sourada) Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 15:13:20 +0200 Subject: Expanding utilities-terminal icons In-Reply-To: <6e24a8e80709260600w27f39f88s9bc25c07cab05e88@mail.gmail.com> References: <46FA06BA.9040301@thefinalzone.com> <1190810672.1124.14.camel@pc-notebook> <6e24a8e80709260600w27f39f88s9bc25c07cab05e88@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1190812400.1124.25.camel@pc-notebook> On Wed, 2007-09-26 at 15:00 +0200, Mark wrote: > > I see you forgot to optimise it for pixel grid - some lines seems blurry > > - and it again has the wrongly positioned shadow. I can fix these > > issues. > > You with your shadows and grids ^_^ > i see nothing wrong in it (i must admit that i'm currently (and > temporary) working on a vert old 15" CRT monitor so it could be > because of that.) > > Can you specify the "blurry" part some more? > I have a notebook, so I have nice pixel grid and so I see such issues quite nicely... I attach it with zoomed blurry part (zoom 4:1). Display it at 1:1 and you'll see what I mean, if not, I'll fix this icon and send a comparison. Thanks, Martin Martin -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: blurry.png Type: image/png Size: 4137 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Will Fedora get $$$ from it, just > how Mozilla get? > I'm not quite sure on the details of the agreement but I know the board is involved and will continue to be. -Mike From mmcgrath at redhat.com Wed Sep 26 13:56:54 2007 From: mmcgrath at redhat.com (Mike McGrath) Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 08:56:54 -0500 Subject: fedoraproject.org start page In-Reply-To: <1190782494l.2107l.0l@castello> References: <1190747627l.6897l.0l@castello> <46F9746E.10609@fedoraproject.org> <46F9D3AF.9030900@redhat.com> <1190782494l.2107l.0l@castello> Message-ID: <46FA6526.2090101@redhat.com> Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek wrote: > I wanted to help with design... > But if you say no... > If you want to help throw something together (and can do mockups quickly) we'd greatly appreciate it. The design requirements as I know them are: :: big breath :: - search box must only be on start.fedoraproject.org and search.fedoraproject.org (not other properties like www.fedoraproject.org) - search box can't be directly incorporated into a client application (e.g. firefox search toolbar) without amending agreement - can't provide substantially equivalent search or ad results from another search or ad provider on these 2 properties while agreement in place (initial term: 2 years) - can't co-mingle search capability with pornographic, hate-related, violent, or illegal content on these properties - must comply with search provider's brand usage, copyright, and trademark guidelines (details provided at URL), including showing an appropriate search partner logo on all search and result pages, at least 75x32 pixels above the fold (see mockup for example of how we fulfill this requirement) There are further restrictions on implementation of search results page (hosted by Red Hat): - search results and ads can only be displayed on start.fedoraproject.org and search.fedoraproject.org - can't edit, modify, truncate, filter, or change the order of search results or ads returned - can't co-mingle search results or ads from search provider with those not from search provider - can't modify search terms from users before passing on with search request - must pass end user IP address and user agent in addition to search terms with request - can't frame the results page or destination pages (e.g. HTML frame or iframe) - can't monkey with destination page URLs (e.g. to add redirect page, insert interstitial page ad, etc) - can't implement click tracking of ads or search results - can't display search results or ads in pop-up, pop-under, exit windows, expanding buttons, animation, or other funky/scammy stuff like that - can't return search results or ads to parties other than real human end users (e.g. the search provider doesn't provide a free web services search API, and thus we can't provide one using their backend) - can't inhibit the display of search results or ads on result pages - result page must display 2 wide format ads and 5 narrow format ads (if available for search term) above the fold on an 800x600 browser window - ads must be explicitly marked as "sponsored links" - can't re-sell the search or ad service - can't generate automatic or fraudulent queries or ad clicks - can't encourage end users to click on ads by offering incentives or other methods that are deceptive or fraudulent - can't cache search results or ads in a non-transitory manner If you think you can whip up something for our start page, please do so and soon. Unfortunately the agreement isn't done yet but it would be good to get some looks together. I've CC'd the websites team so they know as well. -Mike From martin.sourada at seznam.cz Wed Sep 26 16:11:27 2007 From: martin.sourada at seznam.cz (Martin Sourada) Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 18:11:27 +0200 Subject: Echo system-shutdown alternatives Message-ID: <1190823087.1124.32.camel@pc-notebook> Hi all, I happened to still not like the current system-shutdown (after I saw it amongst other icons on my desktop) so I tried to come with some alternatives. I am not 100% satisfied with any of them. I attach 48x48 versions as well as the original one (for comparison). Any ideas? The attached icons are basically only recolorings, only for the last ones (*d.*) I changed the perspective a little as well. Thanks, Martin -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Any ideas? > > The attached icons are basically only recolorings, only for the last > ones (*d.*) I changed the perspective a little as well. > > Thanks, > Martin > Not an easy choice to make although b and d looks more interesting while the original is based on the real button. What we can do is to store these models on echo-icon-source folders and make a survey among the contributors. Suggestions are welcome. Luya From luya_tfz at thefinalzone.com Wed Sep 26 21:17:36 2007 From: luya_tfz at thefinalzone.com (Luya Tshimbalanga) Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 14:17:36 -0700 Subject: More Echo icons to the Places menu In-Reply-To: <1190811244.1124.18.camel@pc-notebook> References: <1190811244.1124.18.camel@pc-notebook> Message-ID: <46FACC70.7000001@thefinalzone.com> Martin Sourada a ?crit : > Hi, > > I reworked three next icons (from which two is from the places menu and > the third is very similar the one of the other two) - document-open, > document-open-recent and user-desktop. All are at the same place as the > other icons in progress [1]. > > Comments welcome, > Martin > > References: > [1] http://feannatar.hostuju.cz/fedora/files/Echo/ > No complain about the change. The new folder-remote is improved from the current model. They can be pushed on git repository. Luya From martin.sourada at seznam.cz Wed Sep 26 21:22:46 2007 From: martin.sourada at seznam.cz (Martin Sourada) Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 23:22:46 +0200 Subject: More Echo icons to the Places menu In-Reply-To: <46FACC70.7000001@thefinalzone.com> References: <1190811244.1124.18.camel@pc-notebook> <46FACC70.7000001@thefinalzone.com> Message-ID: <1190841766.1124.38.camel@pc-notebook> On Wed, 2007-09-26 at 23:17 +0200, Luya Tshimbalanga wrote: > Martin Sourada a ?crit : > > Hi, > > > > I reworked three next icons (from which two is from the places menu and > > the third is very similar the one of the other two) - document-open, > > document-open-recent and user-desktop. All are at the same place as the > > other icons in progress [1]. > > > > Comments welcome, > > Martin > > > > References: > > [1] http://feannatar.hostuju.cz/fedora/files/Echo/ > > > No complain about the change. The new folder-remote is improved from the > current model. They can be pushed on git repository. > > > Luya > Ok, I'll push them when I rework all the remaining folder icons (folder-drag-accept, folder-open, folder-visiting) to avoid folder styling inconsistency in the repository. Martin -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Ref: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/EchoIconTheme/EchoToDo/Menus Luya From luya_tfz at thefinalzone.com Wed Sep 26 21:42:06 2007 From: luya_tfz at thefinalzone.com (Luya Tshimbalanga) Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 14:42:06 -0700 Subject: Update of echo-icon-theme license Message-ID: <46FAD22E.50706@thefinalzone.com> Ladies and gentlemen, It is the honor to announce echo-icon-theme license is updated to cc-by-sa 3.0. I have talked to Diana who is the original creator of that theme and she gladly approved the request. The package will be updated shortly. Luya Ref: http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/3.0/ From markg85 at gmail.com Wed Sep 26 21:44:42 2007 From: markg85 at gmail.com (Mark) Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 23:44:42 +0200 Subject: Expanding utilities-terminal icons In-Reply-To: <1190812400.1124.25.camel@pc-notebook> References: <46FA06BA.9040301@thefinalzone.com> <1190810672.1124.14.camel@pc-notebook> <6e24a8e80709260600w27f39f88s9bc25c07cab05e88@mail.gmail.com> <1190812400.1124.25.camel@pc-notebook> Message-ID: <6e24a8e80709261444o4cd10b85oddbc17fce1008d1a@mail.gmail.com> 2007/9/26, Martin Sourada : > On Wed, 2007-09-26 at 15:00 +0200, Mark wrote: > > > I see you forgot to optimise it for pixel grid - some lines seems blurry > > > - and it again has the wrongly positioned shadow. I can fix these > > > issues. > > > > You with your shadows and grids ^_^ > > i see nothing wrong in it (i must admit that i'm currently (and > > temporary) working on a vert old 15" CRT monitor so it could be > > because of that.) > > > > Can you specify the "blurry" part some more? > > > I have a notebook, so I have nice pixel grid and so I see such issues > quite nicely... I attach it with zoomed blurry part (zoom 4:1). Display > it at 1:1 and you'll see what I mean, if not, I'll fix this icon and > send a comparison. > > Thanks, > Martin I see it now. but that's zommed in on the PNG image right? that's just getting blurry when you zoom in.. So you can fix this up by making the border the size of a pixel (or a few) so make it like 5px width instead of 5.5 (which would cause the blurry stuff on png's?) From markg85 at gmail.com Wed Sep 26 21:49:50 2007 From: markg85 at gmail.com (Mark) Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 23:49:50 +0200 Subject: Expanding utilities-terminal icons In-Reply-To: <6e24a8e80709261444o4cd10b85oddbc17fce1008d1a@mail.gmail.com> References: <46FA06BA.9040301@thefinalzone.com> <1190810672.1124.14.camel@pc-notebook> <6e24a8e80709260600w27f39f88s9bc25c07cab05e88@mail.gmail.com> <1190812400.1124.25.camel@pc-notebook> <6e24a8e80709261444o4cd10b85oddbc17fce1008d1a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <6e24a8e80709261449lb01f28dl48499872cbc9461e@mail.gmail.com> To put it simple. How do you fix issues like that? From martin.sourada at seznam.cz Thu Sep 27 08:25:26 2007 From: martin.sourada at seznam.cz (Martin Sourada) Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 10:25:26 +0200 Subject: Expanding utilities-terminal icons In-Reply-To: <46FAD07F.3090801@thefinalzone.com> References: <46FA06BA.9040301@thefinalzone.com> <1190810672.1124.14.camel@pc-notebook> <46FAD07F.3090801@thefinalzone.com> Message-ID: <1190881526.1124.41.camel@pc-notebook> On Wed, 2007-09-26 at 23:34 +0200, Luya Tshimbalanga wrote: > Martin Sourada a ?crit : > > I see you forgot to optimise it for pixel grid - some lines seems blurry > > - and it again has the wrongly positioned shadow. I can fix these > > issues. > > > > Martin > > > Please do. I will check the change later. Also, could you update the > image from > ToDo Menu page[1]? For some reason, I cannot snapshot with the menu. > > Ref: > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/EchoIconTheme/EchoToDo/Menus > > Luya > Yup, I'll do both. For the snapshot - you need to do it manually - run screenshooter, set it to wait 2-3 seconds hit Take Screenshot and navigate to the menu you'd like to take and wait until it is taken. I am going to update the page to current live CD, I've just finished downloading of rawhide-live-20070925. Martin -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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You can display the grid in inkscape and see where the problem is, for example, lines are OK if they are between the lines of the grid (the grid lines are 'pixel borders'). And it's not a problem of zoom, I 'zoomed the pixel grid', not the image itself, so that each pixel of original image is 4x4 pixels big in the zoomed one, but has precisely the same value (as opposed to lancos, cubic and linear zoom methods). It helps to see the problems, even those that are not easy to notice in the original size. It's similar like if you looked at the displayed image with magnifier or microscope - it does not display more details nor adds blurriness to it (if properly focused), just make it bigger. Martin -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From liviopl.pl at gmail.com Thu Sep 27 12:56:27 2007 From: liviopl.pl at gmail.com (Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek) Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 14:56:27 +0200 Subject: More Echo icons to the Places menu In-Reply-To: <1190841766.1124.38.camel@pc-notebook> (from martin.sourada@seznam.cz on Wed Sep 26 23:22:46 2007) References: <1190811244.1124.18.camel@pc-notebook> <46FACC70.7000001@thefinalzone.com> <1190841766.1124.38.camel@pc-notebook> Message-ID: <1190897787l.1971l.0l@castello> I love new Echo folder. Really really good work :) . Keep up with good work :) ! -- Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek http://liviopl.jogger.pl/ From liviopl.pl at gmail.com Thu Sep 27 13:02:36 2007 From: liviopl.pl at gmail.com (Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek) Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 15:02:36 +0200 Subject: Expanding utilities-terminal icons In-Reply-To: <1190884871.1124.53.camel@pc-notebook> (from martin.sourada@seznam.cz on Thu Sep 27 11:21:11 2007) References: <46FA06BA.9040301@thefinalzone.com> <1190810672.1124.14.camel@pc-notebook> <46FAD07F.3090801@thefinalzone.com> <1190881526.1124.41.camel@pc-notebook> <1190884871.1124.53.camel@pc-notebook> Message-ID: <1190898156l.1971l.1l@castello> > Here are the fixed terminal icons. Comments welcome. I'm going to > update > the ToDo Menu page [1] now. Blurry 22x22 and 24x24. Isometric perspective's fault? -- Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek http://liviopl.jogger.pl/ From luya_tfz at thefinalzone.com Thu Sep 27 16:39:39 2007 From: luya_tfz at thefinalzone.com (Luya Tshimbalanga) Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 09:39:39 -0700 Subject: Expanding utilities-terminal icons In-Reply-To: <1190884871.1124.53.camel@pc-notebook> References: <46FA06BA.9040301@thefinalzone.com> <1190810672.1124.14.camel@pc-notebook> <46FAD07F.3090801@thefinalzone.com> <1190881526.1124.41.camel@pc-notebook> <1190884871.1124.53.camel@pc-notebook> Message-ID: <46FBDCCB.2020507@thefinalzone.com> Martin Sourada a ?crit : > the ToDo Menu page [1] now. > > Martin > > References: > [1] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/EchoIconTheme/EchoToDo/Menus > > No further comment. Luya -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From luya_tfz at thefinalzone.com Thu Sep 27 16:42:29 2007 From: luya_tfz at thefinalzone.com (Luya Tshimbalanga) Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 09:42:29 -0700 Subject: Expanding utilities-terminal icons In-Reply-To: <1190898156l.1971l.1l@castello> References: <46FA06BA.9040301@thefinalzone.com> <1190810672.1124.14.camel@pc-notebook> <46FAD07F.3090801@thefinalzone.com> <1190881526.1124.41.camel@pc-notebook> <1190884871.1124.53.camel@pc-notebook> <1190898156l.1971l.1l@castello> Message-ID: <46FBDD75.6040509@thefinalzone.com> Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek a ?crit : >> Here are the fixed terminal icons. Comments welcome. I'm going to >> update >> the ToDo Menu page [1] now. >> > > Blurry 22x22 and 24x24. > Isometric perspective's fault? > > The original were blurred while the modified version are fixed. It is all about output. Luya -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tw2113 at gmail.com Thu Sep 27 17:19:50 2007 From: tw2113 at gmail.com (Michael Beckwith) Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 12:19:50 -0500 Subject: More Echo icons to the Places menu In-Reply-To: <1190897787l.1971l.0l@castello> References: <1190811244.1124.18.camel@pc-notebook> <46FACC70.7000001@thefinalzone.com> <1190841766.1124.38.camel@pc-notebook> <1190897787l.1971l.0l@castello> Message-ID: <9b437e950709271019y377e545y91124d8806db9136@mail.gmail.com> I think I'm going to agree with Jakub. I downloaded the echo set from yum last night for F7 and they're looking good. I won't bother pointing out icons that appear blurry on my monitor, cause I figure most of them are already in the works. On 9/27/07, Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek wrote: > > I love new Echo folder. Really really good work :) . > Keep up with good work :) ! > > -- > Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek > http://liviopl.jogger.pl/ > > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list > -- ~Michael http://ridleytx.structed.net (for now) http://www.michaelbox.net (eventually) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From martin.sourada at seznam.cz Thu Sep 27 21:24:22 2007 From: martin.sourada at seznam.cz (Martin Sourada) Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 23:24:22 +0200 Subject: Next three icons with folder Message-ID: <1190928262.22784.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> Hi, I just finished reworking the rest of the icons that has folder in them - folder-open, folder-visiting and folder-drag-accept. You can find it at the usual place [1]. That AFAIK leaves only folder-new and the 'folder icon set' will be complete. Comments welcome. 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Comments welcome. > > Thanks, > Martin > > References: > [1] http://feannatar.hostuju.cz/fedora/files/Echo/ > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list > > All icons should like like this - non-isometric, colorful, just as I wanted Echo to be ;) . -- Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek http://liviopl.jogger.pl/ From martin.sourada at seznam.cz Fri Sep 28 16:56:53 2007 From: martin.sourada at seznam.cz (Martin Sourada) Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2007 18:56:53 +0200 Subject: [Echo] from which icon set derive missing icons? Message-ID: <1190998613.30523.11.camel@localhost.localdomain> Hi, the current state of things in Echo is that we derive first from Clearlooks and then from Gnome. I'd suggest to drop the Clearlooks as the Gnome icon theme has already 22x22 icon set and so we would improve the current situation a lot. Also, I think that the Gnome icon theme styling is closer to Echo than Clearlooks is (and I'd strongly suggest to use Gnome or Tango metaphors rather than Bluecurve ones). It would be especially helpful for action icons as we use mostly the same perspective for these (flat). It has one drawback though (which should be easy to fix) - it uses gnome foot instead of fedora logo for the menu. Any thoughts on this? Thanks, Martin -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From liviopl.pl at gmail.com Fri Sep 28 17:18:46 2007 From: liviopl.pl at gmail.com (Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek) Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2007 19:18:46 +0200 Subject: [Echo] from which icon set derive missing icons? In-Reply-To: <1190998613.30523.11.camel@localhost.localdomain> (from martin.sourada@seznam.cz on Fri Sep 28 18:56:53 2007) References: <1190998613.30523.11.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1190999926l.2907l.0l@castello> Hi, The style will be mixing if you will not use Tango! color pallette and similliar guidelines. Fedora will look very fancy. I'm sad of that. I kinda like Echo color pallette, but the turqoise/light blue is too frequently used in our icons. I suggest making this color a little bit darker. On Clearlooks or Nodoka theme there is very small contrast with the icons. Look at new GNOME icons - light colors with darker outline - very good effect. Icons contrasted with theme, easily recognizeable, not complicated. -- Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek http://liviopl.jogger.pl/ From luya_tfz at thefinalzone.com Fri Sep 28 18:12:57 2007 From: luya_tfz at thefinalzone.com (Luya Tshimbalanga) Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2007 14:12:57 -0400 Subject: [Echo] from which icon set derive missing icons? In-Reply-To: <1190998613.30523.11.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1190998613.30523.11.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1191003177.46fd442913596@ssl.mecca.ca> Quoting Martin Sourada : > Hi, > > the current state of things in Echo is that we derive first from > Clearlooks and then from Gnome. I'd suggest to drop the Clearlooks as > the Gnome icon theme has already 22x22 icon set and so we would improve > the current situation a lot. Also, I think that the Gnome icon theme > styling is closer to Echo than Clearlooks is (and I'd strongly suggest > to use Gnome or Tango metaphors rather than Bluecurve ones). It would be > especially helpful for action icons as we use mostly the same > perspective for these (flat). It has one drawback though (which should > be easy to fix) - it uses gnome foot instead of fedora logo for the > menu. Any thoughts on this? We should focus on deriving from Gnome icons because they are more modern than the legacy Bluecurve. The odd is the latter has more icons than either Gnome or Tango. Lets focus on these 22x22 icons (I suspect the size was intentionaly use for the legacy KDE, KDE will use 24x24 AFAIK so we should make them too). -- Luya Tshimbalanga Fedora Project contributor http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/LuyaTshimbalanga From mclasen at redhat.com Fri Sep 28 18:18:55 2007 From: mclasen at redhat.com (Matthias Clasen) Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2007 14:18:55 -0400 Subject: [Echo] from which icon set derive missing icons? In-Reply-To: <1190998613.30523.11.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1190998613.30523.11.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1191003535.18835.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Fri, 2007-09-28 at 18:56 +0200, Martin Sourada wrote: > Hi, > > the current state of things in Echo is that we derive first from > Clearlooks and then from Gnome. I'd suggest to drop the Clearlooks as > the Gnome icon theme has already 22x22 icon set and so we would improve > the current situation a lot. Also, I think that the Gnome icon theme > styling is closer to Echo than Clearlooks is (and I'd strongly suggest > to use Gnome or Tango metaphors rather than Bluecurve ones). It would be > especially helpful for action icons as we use mostly the same > perspective for these (flat). It has one drawback though (which should > be easy to fix) - it uses gnome foot instead of fedora logo for the > menu. Any thoughts on this? Having Clearlooks in the inheritance chain will not make a big difference either way, since it is just a handful of icons: [mclasen at localhost examples]$ find /usr/share/icons/Clearlooks/ -name *.png | wc -l 31 From martin.sourada at seznam.cz Fri Sep 28 21:27:20 2007 From: martin.sourada at seznam.cz (Martin Sourada) Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2007 23:27:20 +0200 Subject: [Echo] from which icon set derive missing icons? In-Reply-To: <1191003535.18835.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1190998613.30523.11.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1191003535.18835.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1191014840.30523.15.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Fri, 2007-09-28 at 20:18 +0200, Matthias Clasen wrote: > On Fri, 2007-09-28 at 18:56 +0200, Martin Sourada wrote: > > Hi, > > > > the current state of things in Echo is that we derive first from > > Clearlooks and then from Gnome. I'd suggest to drop the Clearlooks as > > the Gnome icon theme has already 22x22 icon set and so we would improve > > the current situation a lot. Also, I think that the Gnome icon theme > > styling is closer to Echo than Clearlooks is (and I'd strongly suggest > > to use Gnome or Tango metaphors rather than Bluecurve ones). It would be > > especially helpful for action icons as we use mostly the same > > perspective for these (flat). It has one drawback though (which should > > be easy to fix) - it uses gnome foot instead of fedora logo for the > > menu. Any thoughts on this? > > Having Clearlooks in the inheritance chain will not make a big > difference either way, since it is just a handful of icons: > > [mclasen at localhost examples]$ find /usr/share/icons/Clearlooks/ -name > *.png | wc -l > 31 > But it seems it pulls Bluecurve in as well. When I disabled it a lot icons previously blurry are now OK, I didn't checked whether they are pulled from Clearlooks or Bluecurve though (some examples are dictionary, gimp, inkscape, take screenshot...). -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From martin.sourada at seznam.cz Fri Sep 28 21:37:58 2007 From: martin.sourada at seznam.cz (Martin Sourada) Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2007 23:37:58 +0200 Subject: [Echo] from which icon set derive missing icons? In-Reply-To: <1191003177.46fd442913596@ssl.mecca.ca> References: <1190998613.30523.11.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1191003177.46fd442913596@ssl.mecca.ca> Message-ID: <1191015478.30523.21.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Fri, 2007-09-28 at 20:12 +0200, Luya Tshimbalanga wrote: > Quoting Martin Sourada : > > We should focus on deriving from Gnome icons because they are more modern than > the legacy Bluecurve. The odd is the latter has more icons than either Gnome or > Tango. Lets focus on these 22x22 icons (I suspect the size was intentionaly use > for the legacy KDE, KDE will use 24x24 AFAIK so we should make them too). > +1 for that, and for the 22x22 vs. 24x24 I think it is good to follow the tango guidelines in that - meaning create a 22x22 icon and then add a 1px wide transparent border which makes 24x24 size. This can be even automated and require less work from artist (so that (s)he can do only 16x16, 22x22, 32x32 and 48x48) and looks good as well. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From nisses.mail at home.se Sat Sep 29 08:58:21 2007 From: nisses.mail at home.se (Andreas Nilsson) Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2007 10:58:21 +0200 Subject: [Echo] from which icon set derive missing icons? In-Reply-To: <1190998613.30523.11.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1190998613.30523.11.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <46FE13AD.8020106@home.se> Martin Sourada wrote: > Hi, > > the current state of things in Echo is that we derive first from > Clearlooks and then from Gnome. I'd suggest to drop the Clearlooks as > the Gnome icon theme has already 22x22 icon set and so we would improve > the current situation a lot. Also, I think that the Gnome icon theme > styling is closer to Echo than Clearlooks is (and I'd strongly suggest > to use Gnome or Tango metaphors rather than Bluecurve ones). It would be > especially helpful for action icons as we use mostly the same > perspective for these (flat). It has one drawback though (which should > be easy to fix) - it uses gnome foot instead of fedora logo for the > menu. Any thoughts on this? > > Thanks, > Martin Um, Clearlooks don't have any icons, does it? - Andreas From martin.sourada at seznam.cz Sat Sep 29 09:14:38 2007 From: martin.sourada at seznam.cz (Martin Sourada) Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2007 11:14:38 +0200 Subject: [Echo] from which icon set derive missing icons? In-Reply-To: <46FE13AD.8020106@home.se> References: <1190998613.30523.11.camel@localhost.localdomain> <46FE13AD.8020106@home.se> Message-ID: <1191057279.30523.26.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Sat, 2007-09-29 at 10:58 +0200, Andreas Nilsson wrote: > Martin Sourada wrote: > > Hi, > > > > the current state of things in Echo is that we derive first from > > Clearlooks and then from Gnome. I'd suggest to drop the Clearlooks as > > the Gnome icon theme has already 22x22 icon set and so we would improve > > the current situation a lot. Also, I think that the Gnome icon theme > > styling is closer to Echo than Clearlooks is (and I'd strongly suggest > > to use Gnome or Tango metaphors rather than Bluecurve ones). It would be > > especially helpful for action icons as we use mostly the same > > perspective for these (flat). It has one drawback though (which should > > be easy to fix) - it uses gnome foot instead of fedora logo for the > > menu. Any thoughts on this? > > > > Thanks, > > Martin > Um, Clearlooks don't have any icons, does it? > - Andreas It does have some gtk stock icons like gtk-apply, gtk-cancel, etc. But it derives from Bluecurve and together they pull a set of icons that are blurry in menus... And I think that the new Gnome icon set is visually closer to Echo than Clearlooks + Bluecurve. Martin -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From liviopl.pl at gmail.com Sat Sep 29 09:39:50 2007 From: liviopl.pl at gmail.com (Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek) Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2007 11:39:50 +0200 Subject: Lighter Nodoka design Message-ID: <1191058790l.2000l.0l@castello> Hi, I have one question/proposal. Why Nodoka has so bright colors (I mean very light blue)? Little bit darker blue and beige will make Nodoka integrate better with Infinity theme. By the way, there's one bug against Nodoka Metacity theme - inactive windows buttons in prelight state have same gradient as active windows buttons. BTW2: do we need gradients on M-city buttons? Gilouche (SUSE's theme) had them not and it looked quite good [1] :) . BTW3: Did you see how well looks SUSE with GNOME'styled icons [2] ? [1] http://art.gnome.org/themes/metacity/1286 [2] http://abock.org/blog-images/openSUSE-10.3.png -- Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek http://liviopl.jogger.pl/ From martin.sourada at seznam.cz Sat Sep 29 10:39:15 2007 From: martin.sourada at seznam.cz (Martin Sourada) Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2007 12:39:15 +0200 Subject: Lighter Nodoka design In-Reply-To: <1191058790l.2000l.0l@castello> References: <1191058790l.2000l.0l@castello> Message-ID: <1191062355.30523.36.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Sat, 2007-09-29 at 11:39 +0200, Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek wrote: > Hi, > > I have one question/proposal. > Why Nodoka has so bright colors (I mean very light blue)? > > Little bit darker blue and beige will make Nodoka integrate better with > Infinity theme. > I plan to provide different colour schemes in one of the next releases and two or three more metacity stylings (the buttons will look different, but still will have nodoka gradients), until then you can change the colours in the appearances caplet to your liking (and submit them to me if you'd like to have them included). ;-) > By the way, there's one bug against Nodoka Metacity theme - inactive > windows buttons in prelight state have same gradient as active windows > buttons. > This is intentional, because if you push the button it will do the action even on unfocused window - if they had unfocused gradients it will be confusing. > BTW2: do we need gradients on M-city buttons? Gilouche (SUSE's theme) > had them not and it looked quite good [1] :) . > Yes, otherwise it would not be Nodoka (nodoka is based on a special type of gradients) ;-) > BTW3: Did you see how well looks SUSE with GNOME'styled icons [2] ? > Heh, this should be rather in a separate thread... Yep, they look quite good, one thing I don't like is the gnome folder, Mist does nice job in fixing this, still I like Echo more (and Tango less). I think it's now more or less about alternative - we have gnome/tango icons with subtle colours and simple perspectives, then realistically looking shiny Oxygen (I am not very sure how good are these at smaller sizes) and we are trying to create something in-between - something with a touch of reality, vibrant colours, subtle gradients and isometric perspective, while retaining some compatibility with Gnome (in terms that they can work quite nice together). 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Ok, I understand :) . > Yes, otherwise it would not be Nodoka (nodoka is based on a special > type > of gradients) ;-) Artists (; ... > Heh, this should be rather in a separate thread... Yep, they look > quite > good, one thing I don't like is the gnome folder, Mist does nice job > in > fixing this, still I like Echo more (and Tango less). I think it's > now > more or less about alternative - we have gnome/tango icons with > subtle > colours and simple perspectives, then realistically looking shiny > Oxygen > (I am not very sure how good are these at smaller sizes) and we are > trying to create something in-between - something with a touch of > reality, vibrant colours, subtle gradients and isometric perspective, > while retaining some compatibility with Gnome (in terms that they can > work quite nice together). I don't how it happened, but I dislike Tango! too. It is too shiny. I like subtle style of GNOME - light colors with darker outline. GNOME folder icon is ugly in my opinion too. Doesn't look like folder at all. I will always say to you: be GNOME-style compiliant. You can use GNOME icon style guidelines [1] and create Echo icon theme, which **surely** will be loved by me. Please try this out. I want too see, how it would like. Maybe you'll love it too? I really, really want to see Echo with GNOME style. Would you? [1] I think GNOME icon style guidelines are Tango!'s without glossy reflections http://tango.freedesktop.org/Tango_Icon_Theme_Guidelines -- Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek http://liviopl.jogger.pl/ From martin.sourada at seznam.cz Sat Sep 29 16:08:26 2007 From: martin.sourada at seznam.cz (Martin Sourada) Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2007 18:08:26 +0200 Subject: [Echo ]Recreating the Status Pages once again Message-ID: <1191082106.30523.70.camel@localhost.localdomain> Hi, I was going through the Trac help in search of table styling capabilities of its wiki to improve the Icon Theme Status page [1]. In the process I came to a conclusion it would be better to include the tables as raw HTML and that it would be better to split the status page to more pages. And because the icon naming specifications [2] are subject to change (in the meaning that new icons can be added) as well as the icons that are created in addition to the specs and because I am a little bit lazy, I decided to create a c app that reads list of icons (provided in a file) and outputs a nicely formatted table in HTML code to standard output. My C skills are nothing fancy and I didn't take much thoughts to the algorithm so it is rather just-works type of code... I put together an example page including the table generated by the code [3]. The advantages of the new page are better styling capabilities, easier adding/removing of new icons (in the original, addition of new icon into the middle of the table would be a lot of work) and automatic picking of icons from git (if icon is not present, '-' is displayed). It also displays 16x16, 22x22, 32x32 and 48x48 icons. One disadvantage is that it contains broken links to SVGs that are not in git yet... And I attach the c code (in case someone would like to improve it). It uses nothing outside the standard libraries, so that you can build it just with gcc generate-status-table.c Any thoughts, comments, etc.? I can push the source to git if there is a want (might be good to push icon lists to it as well) for it and create the rest of the pages. Thanks, Martin References: [1] https://hosted.fedoraproject.org/projects/echo-icon-theme/wiki/IconThemeStatus [2] http://standards.freedesktop.org/icon-naming-spec/icon-naming-spec-latest.html [3] https://hosted.fedoraproject.org/projects/echo-icon-theme/wiki/IconThemeStatus/Actions -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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From liviopl.pl at gmail.com Sat Sep 29 16:30:26 2007 From: liviopl.pl at gmail.com (Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek) Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2007 18:30:26 +0200 Subject: Perspective Message-ID: <1191083426l.2711l.0l@castello> Hi, I have one new proposal. Echo actions aren't isometric icons, but rest is. "New generation" Echo are great, but isometric perspective makes me sad. Did you ever thinked about letting isometric perspective go away? Plain and on-the-shelf perspectives are very good IMHO, and IMHO better than any 3D. -- Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek http://liviopl.jogger.pl/ From duffy at redhat.com Sat Sep 29 16:38:27 2007 From: duffy at redhat.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?M=E1ir=EDn_Duffy?=) Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2007 12:38:27 -0400 Subject: Perspective In-Reply-To: <1191083426l.2711l.0l@castello> References: <1191083426l.2711l.0l@castello> Message-ID: <46FE7F83.4030405@redhat.com> Hi Jakub, Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek wrote: > Did you ever thinked about letting isometric perspective go away? I hope I'm not being unfair here - I haven't had the time to follow this list as carefully as I would have liked the past couple of weeks due to other commitments so maybe I've missed some things from you - But you really seem to be making a lot of suggestions about the Echo icons in a passionate manner without actually DO-ing anything. If you think that a non-isometric perspective would work better for Echo icons, why not try converting some of them yourself and using those results to bolster your opinion? The direction of this group is really determined by what people actually DO, not what they say, as in I would assume any other open project such as this. We obviously welcome feedback from others, but yours seems a bit more persistent than most which makes me think you would benefit from taking things a step further yourself by modifying the icons to prove your point. Just a suggestion from an observer. And just so I'm transparent here, I think a lot of people here know that I like the Mist + Gnome icons a lot better than Echo for various reasons I've outlined in the past and not bothered to actually act on. ;-) ~m From nisses.mail at home.se Sat Sep 29 16:44:23 2007 From: nisses.mail at home.se (Andreas Nilsson) Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2007 18:44:23 +0200 Subject: [Echo] from which icon set derive missing icons? In-Reply-To: <1191057279.30523.26.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1190998613.30523.11.camel@localhost.localdomain> <46FE13AD.8020106@home.se> <1191057279.30523.26.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <46FE80E7.5010200@home.se> Martin Sourada wrote: > On Sat, 2007-09-29 at 10:58 +0200, Andreas Nilsson wrote: > >> Martin Sourada wrote: >> >>> Hi, >>> >>> the current state of things in Echo is that we derive first from >>> Clearlooks and then from Gnome. I'd suggest to drop the Clearlooks as >>> the Gnome icon theme has already 22x22 icon set and so we would improve >>> the current situation a lot. Also, I think that the Gnome icon theme >>> styling is closer to Echo than Clearlooks is (and I'd strongly suggest >>> to use Gnome or Tango metaphors rather than Bluecurve ones). It would be >>> especially helpful for action icons as we use mostly the same >>> perspective for these (flat). It has one drawback though (which should >>> be easy to fix) - it uses gnome foot instead of fedora logo for the >>> menu. Any thoughts on this? >>> >>> Thanks, >>> Martin >>> >> Um, Clearlooks don't have any icons, does it? >> - Andreas >> > > It does have some gtk stock icons like gtk-apply, gtk-cancel, etc. But > it derives from Bluecurve and together they pull a set of icons that are > blurry in menus... And I think that the new Gnome icon set is visually > closer to Echo than Clearlooks + Bluecurve. > > Martin > Ah, I see! Yes, agreed. - Andreas From liviopl.pl at gmail.com Sat Sep 29 16:41:04 2007 From: liviopl.pl at gmail.com (Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek) Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2007 18:41:04 +0200 Subject: Perspective In-Reply-To: <46FE7F83.4030405@redhat.com> (from duffy@redhat.com on Sat Sep 29 18:38:27 2007) References: <1191083426l.2711l.0l@castello> <46FE7F83.4030405@redhat.com> Message-ID: <1191084064l.2747l.0l@castello> > But you really seem to be making a lot of suggestions about the Echo > icons in a passionate manner without actually DO-ing anything. If you > think that a non-isometric perspective would work better for Echo > icons, > why not try converting some of them yourself and using those results > to > bolster your opinion? I'm bad graphic designer, believe me... > > Just a suggestion from an observer. And just so I'm transparent here, > I > think a lot of people here know that I like the Mist + Gnome icons a > lot > better than Echo for various reasons I've outlined in the past and > not > > bothered to actually act on. ;-) Huh :D . -- Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek http://liviopl.jogger.pl/ From luya_tfz at thefinalzone.com Sat Sep 29 16:44:02 2007 From: luya_tfz at thefinalzone.com (Luya Tshimbalanga) Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2007 09:44:02 -0700 Subject: [Echo ]Recreating the Status Pages once again In-Reply-To: <1191082106.30523.70.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1191082106.30523.70.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <46FE80D2.5080601@thefinalzone.com> Martin Sourada a ?crit : > Hi, > > I was going through the Trac help in search of table styling > capabilities of its wiki to improve the Icon Theme Status page [1]. In > the process I came to a conclusion it would be better to include the > tables as raw HTML and that it would be better to split the status page > to more pages. And because the icon naming specifications [2] are > subject to change (in the meaning that new icons can be added) as well > as the icons that are created in addition to the specs and because I am > a little bit lazy, I decided to create a c app that reads list of icons > (provided in a file) and outputs a nicely formatted table in HTML code > to standard output. My C skills are nothing fancy and I didn't take much > thoughts to the algorithm so it is rather just-works type of code... > Hmm, if you can create a condition about the existence of SVG file, that should work. I am completely rusty when it comes to C. Python codes would be an alternative since it is very similar to C and be used by other developers. At the same time, modifying gtk-icon-coverage to automatically create a symbolic link instead of link.xml . Hopefully some skilled programmers will stand up for helping. Thank you for the efforts, Martin. Luya From martin.sourada at seznam.cz Sat Sep 29 16:59:45 2007 From: martin.sourada at seznam.cz (Martin Sourada) Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2007 18:59:45 +0200 Subject: [Echo ]Recreating the Status Pages once again In-Reply-To: <1191082106.30523.70.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1191082106.30523.70.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1191085185.30523.74.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Sat, 2007-09-29 at 18:08 +0200, Martin Sourada wrote: > Hi, > > I was going through the Trac help in search of table styling > capabilities of its wiki to improve the Icon Theme Status page [1]. In > the process I came to a conclusion it would be better to include the > tables as raw HTML and that it would be better to split the status page > to more pages. And because the icon naming specifications [2] are > subject to change (in the meaning that new icons can be added) as well > as the icons that are created in addition to the specs and because I am > a little bit lazy, I decided to create a c app that reads list of icons > (provided in a file) and outputs a nicely formatted table in HTML code > to standard output. My C skills are nothing fancy and I didn't take much > thoughts to the algorithm so it is rather just-works type of code... > > I put together an example page including the table generated by the code > [3]. > > The advantages of the new page are better styling capabilities, easier > adding/removing of new icons (in the original, addition of new icon into > the middle of the table would be a lot of work) and automatic picking of > icons from git (if icon is not present, '-' is displayed). It also > displays 16x16, 22x22, 32x32 and 48x48 icons. One disadvantage is that > it contains broken links to SVGs that are not in git yet... > > And I attach the c code (in case someone would like to improve it). It > uses nothing outside the standard libraries, so that you can build it > just with gcc generate-status-table.c > > Any thoughts, comments, etc.? I can push the source to git if there is a > want (might be good to push icon lists to it as well) for it and create > the rest of the pages. > > Thanks, > Martin > > References: > [1] > https://hosted.fedoraproject.org/projects/echo-icon-theme/wiki/IconThemeStatus > [2] > http://standards.freedesktop.org/icon-naming-spec/icon-naming-spec-latest.html > [3] > https://hosted.fedoraproject.org/projects/echo-icon-theme/wiki/IconThemeStatus/Actions > oooh, I've just discovered I made a mistake... I hardcoded the category into it... I attach fixed source file. I discovered it during recreating the rest of the pages. Will let you know when I am finished with recreating the things that are in specs. Martin -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: generate-status-table.c Type: text/x-csrc Size: 3824 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From martin.sourada at seznam.cz Sun Sep 30 10:14:49 2007 From: martin.sourada at seznam.cz (Martin Sourada) Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2007 12:14:49 +0200 Subject: [Echo ]Recreating the Status Pages once again In-Reply-To: <1191085185.30523.74.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1191082106.30523.70.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1191085185.30523.74.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1191147289.30523.101.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Sat, 2007-09-29 at 18:59 +0200, Martin Sourada wrote: > the rest of the pages. Will let you know when I am finished with > recreating the things that are in specs. > > Martin > I have finished the pages for icons that are in the icon naming specs. Only the Actions [1] currently contains even additional icons; the others [2-11] are only for the icons in specs (more will come later, need to create the lists first). Comments welcome. Thanks, Martin References: [1] https://hosted.fedoraproject.org/projects/echo-icon-theme/wiki/IconThemeStatus/Actions [2] https://hosted.fedoraproject.org/projects/echo-icon-theme/wiki/IconThemeStatus/Animations [3] https://hosted.fedoraproject.org/projects/echo-icon-theme/wiki/IconThemeStatus/Applications [4] https://hosted.fedoraproject.org/projects/echo-icon-theme/wiki/IconThemeStatus/Categories [5] https://hosted.fedoraproject.org/projects/echo-icon-theme/wiki/IconThemeStatus/Devices [6] https://hosted.fedoraproject.org/projects/echo-icon-theme/wiki/IconThemeStatus/Emblems [7] https://hosted.fedoraproject.org/projects/echo-icon-theme/wiki/IconThemeStatus/Emotes [8] https://hosted.fedoraproject.org/projects/echo-icon-theme/wiki/IconThemeStatus/International [9] https://hosted.fedoraproject.org/projects/echo-icon-theme/wiki/IconThemeStatus/MimeTypes [10] https://hosted.fedoraproject.org/projects/echo-icon-theme/wiki/IconThemeStatus/Places [11] https://hosted.fedoraproject.org/projects/echo-icon-theme/wiki/IconThemeStatus/Status -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From liviopl.pl at gmail.com Sun Sep 30 11:00:06 2007 From: liviopl.pl at gmail.com (Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek) Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2007 13:00:06 +0200 Subject: [Echo ]Recreating the Status Pages once again In-Reply-To: <1191147289.30523.101.camel@localhost.localdomain> (from martin.sourada@seznam.cz on Sun Sep 30 12:14:49 2007) References: <1191082106.30523.70.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1191085185.30523.74.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1191147289.30523.101.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1191150006l.2544l.2l@castello> Echo looks promissing :] . -- Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek http://liviopl.jogger.pl/ From markg85 at gmail.com Sun Sep 30 15:29:03 2007 From: markg85 at gmail.com (Mark) Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2007 17:29:03 +0200 Subject: Is it possible to make the bettery icons scripted? Message-ID: <6e24a8e80709300829i93126f2u80cd96046976f00d@mail.gmail.com> Hey, I was just looking throught the echo icons [1] and saw the battery icons there (which are extremely nice) but i was wondering if those icons could be made scripted? This is the idea: The bettery applet shows in the notification applet and requests the bettery icon (called batteryScript for now) with value 60 (0 - 100 meaning 0 (%) is empty and 100 (%) is full). Now batteryScript should draw the battery icon with the value 60 (60% bettery is pritty decent so the icon should result in something like [2]) I would also say that the batteryScript has this for the 0 and 100 values: 0 = (light)green 100 = (dark)red and a color in between 0 and 100 should be just created by the the script (for example: 25 = darkgreen, 50 = orange, 75 = darker orange (or light red) and the 96 other images) The Advantages: - No need to make 100 different battery icons (all done by the script). you just supply one basic image and the script fills it in. - The battery notification will get a lot more precise than is possible with the current icons - Just one icon needs to be changed if changes are required (instead of all the battery icons) - There must be more... The Disadvantages: - If you change that one icon you will likely have to change the script as well - it's probably a little more CPU intensive than a basic .png icon.. (but it should still be just a tiny bit of cpu power) The big questions: - Is this possible? If yes? how? - What do you think of it? btw. animating the battery icon would be cool as well. for example adding in some boiling bubbles when charging up.. but that's a completely different idea and probable (?) hard to do with SVG's [1] https://hosted.fedoraproject.org/projects/echo-icon-theme/wiki/IconThemeStatus [2] http://git.fedoraproject.org/?p=hosted/echo-icon-theme;a=blob_plain;f=trunk/Echo/48x48/status/battery-high.png;hb=HEAD From martin.sourada at seznam.cz Sun Sep 30 15:42:01 2007 From: martin.sourada at seznam.cz (Martin Sourada) Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2007 17:42:01 +0200 Subject: Is it possible to make the bettery icons scripted? In-Reply-To: <6e24a8e80709300829i93126f2u80cd96046976f00d@mail.gmail.com> References: <6e24a8e80709300829i93126f2u80cd96046976f00d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1191166921.2682.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Sun, 2007-09-30 at 17:29 +0200, Mark wrote: > Hey, > > I was just looking throught the echo icons [1] and saw the battery > icons there (which are extremely nice) but i was wondering if those > icons could be made scripted? > > This is the idea: > The bettery applet shows in the notification applet and requests the > bettery icon (called batteryScript for now) with value 60 (0 - 100 > meaning 0 (%) is empty and 100 (%) is full). Now batteryScript should > draw the battery icon with the value 60 (60% bettery is pritty decent > so the icon should result in something like [2]) I would also say that > the batteryScript has this for the 0 and 100 values: > 0 = (light)green > 100 = (dark)red > > and a color in between 0 and 100 should be just created by the the > script (for example: 25 = darkgreen, 50 = orange, 75 = darker orange > (or light red) and the 96 other images) > > The Advantages: > - No need to make 100 different battery icons (all done by the > script). you just supply one basic image and the script fills it in. > - The battery notification will get a lot more precise than is > possible with the current icons > - Just one icon needs to be changed if changes are required (instead > of all the battery icons) > - There must be more... > > The Disadvantages: > - If you change that one icon you will likely have to change the script as well > - it's probably a little more CPU intensive than a basic .png icon.. > (but it should still be just a tiny bit of cpu power) > > The big questions: > - Is this possible? If yes? how? > - What do you think of it? > > btw. animating the battery icon would be cool as well. for example > adding in some boiling bubbles when charging up.. but that's a > completely different idea and probable (?) hard to do with SVG's > > > [1] https://hosted.fedoraproject.org/projects/echo-icon-theme/wiki/IconThemeStatus > [2] http://git.fedoraproject.org/?p=hosted/echo-icon-theme;a=blob_plain;f=trunk/Echo/48x48/status/battery-high.png;hb=HEAD > This idea is crazy (in good meaning). It could be implemented, but it would not be much simple and I wonder if anyone would be willing to implement it... BUT, we could at least simplify the creation of the icons themselves - imagine you draw a SVG of a battery, in a side file you describe which of the elements is to be changed and how and run it through some script and voila you have a complete SVG set, now export PNGs from it and you're done... IMHO implementation of this is more possible... As for the animation... it IS possible, but noone implemented its support yet anywhere AFAIK (SVG is XML after all...) but it would be too much CPU consuming, just completely useless eye-candy (far more useless then wobbly windows)... Martin -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From markg85 at gmail.com Sun Sep 30 16:30:39 2007 From: markg85 at gmail.com (Mark) Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2007 18:30:39 +0200 Subject: Is it possible to make the bettery icons scripted? In-Reply-To: <1191166921.2682.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <6e24a8e80709300829i93126f2u80cd96046976f00d@mail.gmail.com> <1191166921.2682.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <6e24a8e80709300930m5f1141ccn969fc2f8e888f43d@mail.gmail.com> > This idea is crazy (in good meaning). Glad you like it. > It could be implemented, but it > would not be much simple and I wonder if anyone would be willing to > implement it... BUT, we could at least simplify the creation of the > icons themselves - imagine you draw a SVG of a battery, in a side file > you describe which of the elements is to be changed and how and run it > through some script and voila you have a complete SVG set, now export > PNGs from it and you're done... IMHO implementation of this is more > possible... That would be wonderfull. Also if anyone is gonna make a script for this than it might also be possible to make those file icons (with gnome's text generation inside to icon (which i think is useless but some people seem to like it)) in a perspective view. > > As for the animation... it IS possible, but noone implemented its > support yet anywhere AFAIK (SVG is XML after all...) but it would be too > much CPU consuming, just completely useless eye-candy (far more useless > then wobbly windows)... > > Martin Perhaps just a starting animation that only plays when you plugin your adapter.. something like on those cellphone's.. they are animated when you plugin the adapter but just once.. than it's just charging without animations (the bars do increase but that's not a animation). And to make it CPU friendly it might be better to generate a GIF animation? but than you would have a color limit.. o well.. this is all stuff for the future ^_^ my first idea is stuff that could (?) be done now if someone wants to make a script for it (pyhon? perl? or even php? just any language that has the SVG extensions) From markg85 at gmail.com Sun Sep 30 16:36:44 2007 From: markg85 at gmail.com (Mark) Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2007 18:36:44 +0200 Subject: Perspective In-Reply-To: <1191083426l.2711l.0l@castello> References: <1191083426l.2711l.0l@castello> Message-ID: <6e24a8e80709300936u2d970e18lf971b1d2dd1efda1@mail.gmail.com> 2007/9/29, Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek : > Hi, Hi > > I have one new proposal. Good > > Echo actions aren't isometric icons, but rest is. > "New generation" Echo are great, but isometric perspective makes me > sad. > > Did you ever thinked about letting isometric perspective go away? Read some more topics in the art list > > Plain and on-the-shelf perspectives are very good IMHO, and IMHO better > than any 3D. > Now if you don't like it than make new icons and post them here the way you like them. i'm doing the same (i'm only getting critics on it and a few "i like it" but i'm getting better at it all the time. My first icon here (package-x-generic attempt) was my _first__icon__ever_ and my first creation in inkscape.. and i didn't made it that bad. So just make your icons the way you like than and post them here. btw. i'm a bad graphic designer as well. just give it your best shot. From markg85 at gmail.com Sun Sep 30 16:43:30 2007 From: markg85 at gmail.com (Mark) Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2007 18:43:30 +0200 Subject: Next three icons with folder In-Reply-To: <1190928262.22784.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1190928262.22784.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <6e24a8e80709300943l79179610i3e3a6533ead1688a@mail.gmail.com> 2007/9/27, Martin Sourada : > Hi, > > I just finished reworking the rest of the icons that has folder in them > - folder-open, folder-visiting and folder-drag-accept. You can find it > at the usual place [1]. That AFAIK leaves only folder-new and the > 'folder icon set' will be complete. Comments welcome. > > Thanks, > Martin > > References: > [1] http://feannatar.hostuju.cz/fedora/files/Echo/ > Looking good.. but i can hardly see any difference between: folder-drag-accept and folder-open. perhaps you can tweak that a little? btw.. i'm gonna give my attempt at the folder icons as well ^_^ i always think that something is missing in those icons when i see them. i will try to comply with those color guidelines. From markg85 at gmail.com Sun Sep 30 16:48:19 2007 From: markg85 at gmail.com (Mark) Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2007 18:48:19 +0200 Subject: Next three icons with folder In-Reply-To: <6e24a8e80709300943l79179610i3e3a6533ead1688a@mail.gmail.com> References: <1190928262.22784.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> <6e24a8e80709300943l79179610i3e3a6533ead1688a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <6e24a8e80709300948i2fa81e5dj8cfb683a57af0cef@mail.gmail.com> btw. if that script is made than this (with heavy editing) will become possible as well [1], [2], [3] but i don't know for sure if it's wise to add that in Linux (Fedora in this case) [1] http://static.zooomr.com/images/761564_53c4719c27_o.jpg [2] http://www.shatters.net/~impulse/Windows_Tweaks/New%20Vista%20folders.jpg [3] http://vistastyles.org/wp-content/uploads/2006/07/Vista_Glass_Folder_Icons_by_sahtel08.jpg (just to name a few) From markg85 at gmail.com Sun Sep 30 17:03:47 2007 From: markg85 at gmail.com (Mark) Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2007 19:03:47 +0200 Subject: Expanding utilities-terminal icons In-Reply-To: <1190884871.1124.53.camel@pc-notebook> References: <46FA06BA.9040301@thefinalzone.com> <1190810672.1124.14.camel@pc-notebook> <46FAD07F.3090801@thefinalzone.com> <1190881526.1124.41.camel@pc-notebook> <1190884871.1124.53.camel@pc-notebook> Message-ID: <6e24a8e80709301003l1ef5fa3g20d4972807b3e95d@mail.gmail.com> > Here are the fixed terminal icons. Comments welcome. I'm going to update > the ToDo Menu page [1] now. > > Martin > > References: > [1] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/EchoIconTheme/EchoToDo/Menus I just looked at the ToDo page and that are a lot of icons that require updating. Did you made those shots with a full rawhide installed (all applications that come with rawhide)? if not than it's likely that alot more icons need updating. I will try to make some icons as well. From markg85 at gmail.com Sun Sep 30 17:09:19 2007 From: markg85 at gmail.com (Mark) Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2007 19:09:19 +0200 Subject: [Draft] Echo input-tablet iconset In-Reply-To: <46FC4353.1060505@thefinalzone.com> References: <46FA11ED.9060907@thefinalzone.com> <1190810569.1124.11.camel@pc-notebook> <46FC4353.1060505@thefinalzone.com> Message-ID: <6e24a8e80709301009m12338521m43f35b67664c25c4@mail.gmail.com> It looks so gray.. to gray if you ask me. Could you try some more colors in this icon? From dimitris at glezos.com Sun Sep 30 17:23:32 2007 From: dimitris at glezos.com (Dimitris Glezos) Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2007 18:23:32 +0100 Subject: Is it possible to make the bettery icons scripted? In-Reply-To: <1191166921.2682.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <6e24a8e80709300829i93126f2u80cd96046976f00d@mail.gmail.com> <1191166921.2682.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1191173012.3340.24.camel@shuttle> ???? 30-09-2007, ????? ???, ??? ??? 17:42 +0200, ?/? Martin Sourada ??????: > On Sun, 2007-09-30 at 17:29 +0200, Mark wrote: > > Hey, > > > > I was just looking throught the echo icons [1] and saw the battery > > icons there (which are extremely nice) but i was wondering if those > > icons could be made scripted? > > > > This is the idea: > > The bettery applet shows in the notification applet and requests the > > bettery icon (called batteryScript for now) with value 60 (0 - 100 > > meaning 0 (%) is empty and 100 (%) is full). > > [...] > > > > btw. animating the battery icon would be cool as well. for example > > adding in some boiling bubbles when charging up.. but that's a > > completely different idea and probable (?) hard to do with SVG's > > > > This idea is crazy (in good meaning). It could be implemented, but it > would not be much simple and I wonder if anyone would be willing to > implement it... BUT, we could at least simplify the creation of the > icons themselves - imagine you draw a SVG of a battery, in a side file > you describe which of the elements is to be changed and how and run it > through some script and voila you have a complete SVG set, now export > PNGs from it and you're done... IMHO implementation of this is more > possible... > > As for the animation... it IS possible, but noone implemented its > support yet anywhere AFAIK (SVG is XML after all...) but it would be too > much CPU consuming, just completely useless eye-candy (far more useless > then wobbly windows)... Maybe useless eye-kandy for the battery icon, but it does open up exciting possibilities, no? :) How do other applications do it (eg. with cairo)? Maybe the Desktop mailing list could help out with this. It might be easier than we think. -d -- Dimitris Glezos Jabber ID: glezos at jabber.org, GPG: 0xA5A04C3B http://dimitris.glezos.com/ "He who gives up functionality for ease of use loses both and deserves neither." (Anonymous) -- From liviopl.pl at gmail.com Sun Sep 30 18:12:09 2007 From: liviopl.pl at gmail.com (Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek) Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2007 20:12:09 +0200 Subject: Is it possible to make the bettery icons scripted? In-Reply-To: <1191166921.2682.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> (from martin.sourada@seznam.cz on Sun Sep 30 17:42:01 2007) References: <6e24a8e80709300829i93126f2u80cd96046976f00d@mail.gmail.com> <1191166921.2682.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1191175929l.5449l.0l@castello> Martin, better go asleep. You had very good idea, but implementing it, even if it wouldn't be hard, will make batteryScrip "eat" CPU and RAM ;) . -- Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek http://liviopl.jogger.pl/ From markg85 at gmail.com Sun Sep 30 21:00:34 2007 From: markg85 at gmail.com (Mark) Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2007 23:00:34 +0200 Subject: Is it possible to make the bettery icons scripted? In-Reply-To: <1191175929l.5449l.0l@castello> References: <6e24a8e80709300829i93126f2u80cd96046976f00d@mail.gmail.com> <1191166921.2682.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1191175929l.5449l.0l@castello> Message-ID: <6e24a8e80709301400p69566e4ds6c055ad6098de4be@mail.gmail.com> 2007/9/30, Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek : > Martin, better go asleep. > You had very good idea, but implementing it, even if it wouldn't be > hard, will make batteryScrip "eat" CPU and RAM ;) . I have to disagree on the CPU and RAM part. Lets do some simple math. Todays notebooks have arround 3 hours of battery time. 3 * 60 = 180 minutes == 100% (fully charged battery) So those 100 steps i described earlyer are (in battery time): 180 / 100 = 1.8 So the image would be refreshed once every 1.8 minutes. Now i'm not aware of the CPU and Memory usage of "on the fly" SVG generation but if that's high than you can also just use the script to generate the png images and use them than it won't even use more cpu or memory than the current battery applet does. Currently it's changing the icon about 4 or 6 times (didn't count it) from 100% till empty. So no it won't eat up more CPU or Memory than the current applet if it's made properly (with caching(?)). It will only eat up a little more hard disk space because it simply uses more icons. From liviopl.pl at gmail.com Sun Sep 30 06:14:22 2007 From: liviopl.pl at gmail.com (Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek) Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2007 08:14:22 +0200 Subject: Trademark Message-ID: <1191132862l.3948l.0l@castello> Hi, In this e-mail I want to show you trademarked logo example: Ubuntu. Page says (number 2 on image) few words about trademarks, but favicon isn't official logo (number 1). It is not said that trademarked logo cannot be remade for artwork. Not style, size, etc. are important, but the symbol, idea of logo. I think you can approve Tangoish Fedora logo and make main menu icon look better. Pixelated, scaled SVG doesn't look good. -- Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek http://liviopl.jogger.pl/ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: ubuntu.png Type: image/png Size: 133097 bytes Desc: not available URL: