gnome splash and screensaver lock dialog
Matthias Clasen
mclasen at redhat.com
Tue Apr 15 13:38:09 UTC 2008
On Tue, 2008-04-15 at 14:55 +0200, Mark wrote:
> 2008/4/15, Paul W. Frields <stickster at gmail.com>:
> > On Tue, Apr 15, 2008 at 11:10:52AM +0300, Nicu Buculei wrote:
> > > Paul W. Frields wrote:
> > >>
> > >> The lock dialog defaults to the "plain" version for usability reasons
> > >> -- that's something that's been decided upstream by GNOME and we
> > >> probably won't be changing it any time soon.
> > >
> > > While I understand the point about usability (and appreciate you did the
> > > work and submitted a design - IIRC this in not the first time you do that),
> > > don't you think the root of the problem has to be addressed?
> > > If we think a feature is that bad for usability reasons, shouldn't we just
> > > drop it? Or make the themed dialog more usable or the simple dialog
> > > prettier?
> > > There *must* be a way to have something both usable and pleasant looking.
> > >
> > > To me, shipping two dialogs, one that is usable and another that is pretty
> > > is like knowingly ship something broken and just papering over it a
> > > temporary solution.
> > > And I learned sometime you have to break the temporary solution to get the
> > > problem solved properly.
> >
> >
> > Just for the record, I don't disagree at all with wanting to have a
> > prettier lock dialog, I just haven't felt particularly burdened by it.
> > I'd say, lobby the desktop guys about this and work something out. :-)
> >
> > This isn't the first time (or the only subproject) ;-) where we start
> > talking about these changes too late in the release cycle, but maybe
> > we can get a permanent, mutually acceptable solution for Fedora 10.
> > However, it ought to be just that, a *solution*, rather than simply
> > advocating for switching a default without knowing why it hasn't been
> > that way before.
> >
> > I'm cc'ing some of the desktop guys personally just because we want to
> > get their attention -- hopefully they can explain what the usability
> > factors are, and how we can have a design that meets those
> > requirements for the future while looking prettier.
> >
> Now that's going better.
> But why is it so hard to adjust one gconf value by default? Fedora
> does that with firefox and i'm sure with others as well. So why is it
> so hard to change one gconf value by default? Isn't there a global
> conf package in fedora that manages the gconf changes?
Maybe you don't realize that _we_ were the ones who added the code for
themed lock dialogs in the first place ? We tried it, and consider it a
bit of a failed experiment. If it causes the art team heartburn, we
should probably just rip it out again...
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