From duffy at redhat.com Tue Jan 1 00:14:53 2008 From: duffy at redhat.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?M=E1ir=EDn_Duffy?=) Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 19:14:53 -0500 Subject: A pretty please (regrading Fedora 9 theme) In-Reply-To: <64b14b300712301509v75bfd78dnde4123125598ef60@mail.gmail.com> References: <64b14b300712301451k53c74dbek5684d5c885369257@mail.gmail.com> <64b14b300712301509v75bfd78dnde4123125598ef60@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <477985FD.5060503@redhat.com> Valent Turkovic wrote: > Here are one audio review which also says artwork for Fedora 8 is lacking: > http://kernelreloaded.blog385.com/index.php/archives/fedora-8-audio-review/ > > and one random forum comment: > "Artwork quite poor compared to version 7." > http://linuxmint.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=43139#p43139 I could point at a lot more reviews and magazine articles that saw it as an improvement. It's artwork, it's subjective, you can't please everyone and if you do you're probably doing something wrong. For every negative comment I've seen or heard about the F8 theme, I've seen 9 or 10 positive ones. The wallpaper could have been more exciting, yes. The rest of the artwork I think is better with a more simple design, though, without too much in-your-face branding. We don't want the distro to be akin to an overly gaudy person wearing way too much makeup, you know? ~m From duffy at redhat.com Tue Jan 1 00:19:07 2008 From: duffy at redhat.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?M=E1ir=EDn_Duffy?=) Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 19:19:07 -0500 Subject: [F9 theme proposal] (Also Freedom :)) Round 1 In-Reply-To: <64b14b300712301333v2f69919amcfdd65b5b4f52ee9@mail.gmail.com> References: <64b14b300712301333v2f69919amcfdd65b5b4f52ee9@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <477986FB.2050706@redhat.com> Valent Turkovic wrote: > Hi, > I could't give this another name, because it just screams "freedom" > and freedom already exists but it is a different theme (or it is not) > and involves chains. > > Please look at this picture: > http://www.faith47.com/images/Slice_03_03.gif > > It is from artists that work on www.dynebolic.org linux distro. > > I'm not an artist but a photographer and art critic and I have an eye > for combining things. I can see fedora logo in the hands of that > person and it would make a great wallpaper. > > The idea is this: > In the background (bw looks great but also pale fedora colors would > work) there are all the symbols and tools for taking away freedom and > in the center you see fedora logo that represents freedom in color as > it overcomes all that in background. This sounds too busy for a default wallpaper. Maybe for an add-on one though. ~m From david at lovesunix.net Tue Jan 1 02:39:46 2008 From: david at lovesunix.net (David Nielsen) Date: Tue, 01 Jan 2008 03:39:46 +0100 Subject: An Idea about branding the Firefox and Thunderbird apps for F9 In-Reply-To: <4777D316.2060205@gmail.com> References: <4777D316.2060205@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1199155186.2933.9.camel@localhost.localdomain> Em Dom, 2007-12-30 ?s 22:49 +0530, Rogue escreveu: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Hi All, > > I was just toying around with the Splash![1] addon for mozilla apps and > I believe we can leverage the same for branding the applications, via a > custom Fedora centric splash screen. > > What do you folks think about it? A splash screen is just a sign that your application is horridly slow and should be taken out back to be put out of it's misery.. Do we really want to give that impression on purpose and then brag about it being a Fedora feature on top? 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There've been more than a few times that I've wanted to do that with Firefox. There just doesn't happen to be a decent WebKit-GTK+ app available yet to make that feasible. -- Ignacio Vazquez-Abrams PLEASE don't CC me; I'm already subscribed -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From baerjj at gmail.com Tue Jan 1 18:45:33 2008 From: baerjj at gmail.com (John Baer) Date: Tue, 01 Jan 2008 13:45:33 -0500 Subject: A Thought About F9 Artwork Message-ID: <1199213133.4762.9.camel@localhost.localdomain> All, IMO the F8 artwork presents Fedora very favorably and it seems a waste not to leverage this success in F9. Does it make sense to change the theme every other release cycle and use the off cycle to improve or tweak the current theme? Presenting the same question a differ way. Would Fedora users be disappointed if the F9 came with an improved F8 theme (ie. same theme, new wallpaper)? Cheers! John From david at lovesunix.net Tue Jan 1 19:39:08 2008 From: david at lovesunix.net (David Nielsen) Date: Tue, 01 Jan 2008 20:39:08 +0100 Subject: A Thought About F9 Artwork In-Reply-To: <1199213133.4762.9.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1199213133.4762.9.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1199216348.26650.5.camel@watson> tir, 01 01 2008 kl. 13:45 -0500, skrev John Baer: > All, > > IMO the F8 artwork presents Fedora very favorably and it seems a waste > not to leverage this success in F9. > > Does it make sense to change the theme every other release cycle and use > the off cycle to improve or tweak the current theme? > > Presenting the same question a differ way. > > Would Fedora users be disappointed if the F9 came with an improved F8 > theme (ie. same theme, new wallpaper)? I for one would welcome the glorious return of the Fedora 8 theme in a polished version. I think F8 presented the most beautiful Fedora yet and it would be a good branding move to keep the same theme around for a few releases. From stevelist at silverorange.com Tue Jan 1 20:06:07 2008 From: stevelist at silverorange.com (Steven Garrity) Date: Tue, 01 Jan 2008 16:06:07 -0400 Subject: A Thought About F9 Artwork In-Reply-To: <1199213133.4762.9.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1199213133.4762.9.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <477A9D2F.7050407@silverorange.com> John Baer wrote: > Does it make sense to change the theme every other release cycle and > use the off cycle to improve or tweak the current theme? This is a good point - it would be nice to see a somewhat common theme getting more and more polished with each release. More of an evolution than a complete redesign each time. That said, the last few themes have been a bit like this. Things that are easier to change, like the splash screens and wallpaper can change more frequently and dramatically. Things that are more challenging to redesign well, like Gtk and Metacity themes evolve more slowly. This reminds me of the 6 layers of buildings from Stewart Brand's classic book, How Buildings Learn: http://www.peterme.com/archives/00000323.html I would like to see a general visual theme for Fedora that can slowly evolve and improve with each release, but still have enough wiggle-room for each release to feel new and exciting. I proposed a seasonal Spring/Fall theme set to coincide with the time-based release schedule of Fedora back in November. I've been trying to create a page for it on the wiki, but I'm having trouble getting my account created (probably my own fault). Quoting myself: > As the Fedora release schedule is now about as reliable as the coming > of spring and fall, it occurred to me that spring and fall might > serve as appropriate visual themes for alternating releases. > > Both "spring" and "fall" (aka autumn) are nice natural visual > metaphors that have recognizable and (potentially) beautiful color > schemes associated with them. They are also both "natural" themes, > which can work well for desktop themes. > > Perhaps we could adopt a "spring" visual theme for the odd-numbered > releases that fall in the spring, and a "fall" visual theme for the > even-numbered releases that fall in the, well, fall. > > This would also provide a way to have a strong visual change between > releases, but still build on a larger theme that could grow more > refined over multiple releases. https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-art-list/2007-November/msg00099.html A theme like this would allow a common thread for all Fedora release visuals, but also a nice back-and-forth change for each release. Cheers, Steven Garrity From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Tue Jan 1 20:02:17 2008 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Wed, 02 Jan 2008 01:32:17 +0530 Subject: A Thought About F9 Artwork In-Reply-To: <477A9D2F.7050407@silverorange.com> References: <1199213133.4762.9.camel@localhost.localdomain> <477A9D2F.7050407@silverorange.com> Message-ID: <477A9C49.9050405@fedoraproject.org> Steven Garrity wrote: > I proposed a seasonal Spring/Fall theme set to coincide with the > time-based release schedule of Fedora back in November. I've been trying > to create a page for it on the wiki, but I'm having trouble getting my > account created (probably my own fault). Are you following http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/WikiEditing? What exactly is the problem you are running into? Rahul From ljuwaida at fedoraproject.org Tue Jan 1 21:30:33 2008 From: ljuwaida at fedoraproject.org (Laith Juwaidah) Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2008 01:30:33 +0400 Subject: A Thought About F9 Artwork In-Reply-To: <477A9D2F.7050407@silverorange.com> References: <1199213133.4762.9.camel@localhost.localdomain> <477A9D2F.7050407@silverorange.com> Message-ID: <200801020130.34708.ljuwaida@fedoraproject.org> On Wednesday 02 January 2008 00:06:07 Steven Garrity wrote: > John Baer wrote: > > Does it make sense to change the theme every other release cycle and > > use the off cycle to improve or tweak the current theme? > > This is a good point - it would be nice to see a somewhat common theme > getting more and more polished with each release. More of an evolution > than a complete redesign each time. That said, the last few themes have > been a bit like this. > > Things that are easier to change, like the splash screens and wallpaper > can change more frequently and dramatically. Things that are more > challenging to redesign well, like Gtk and Metacity themes evolve more > slowly. > > This reminds me of the 6 layers of buildings from Stewart Brand's > classic book, How Buildings Learn: > http://www.peterme.com/archives/00000323.html > > I would like to see a general visual theme for Fedora that can slowly > evolve and improve with each release, but still have enough wiggle-room > for each release to feel new and exciting. > > I proposed a seasonal Spring/Fall theme set to coincide with the > time-based release schedule of Fedora back in November. I've been trying > to create a page for it on the wiki, but I'm having trouble getting my > account created (probably my own fault). > > Quoting myself: > > As the Fedora release schedule is now about as reliable as the coming > > of spring and fall, it occurred to me that spring and fall might > > serve as appropriate visual themes for alternating releases. > > > > Both "spring" and "fall" (aka autumn) are nice natural visual > > metaphors that have recognizable and (potentially) beautiful color > > schemes associated with them. They are also both "natural" themes, > > which can work well for desktop themes. > > > > Perhaps we could adopt a "spring" visual theme for the odd-numbered > > releases that fall in the spring, and a "fall" visual theme for the > > even-numbered releases that fall in the, well, fall. Could it also be that the colors match the season (green for spring releases and yellow/orange for fall ones?)? > > > > This would also provide a way to have a strong visual change between > > releases, but still build on a larger theme that could grow more > > refined over multiple releases. > > https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-art-list/2007-November/msg00099.html > > A theme like this would allow a common thread for all Fedora release > visuals, but also a nice back-and-forth change for each release. > > Cheers, > Steven Garrity > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list -- Laith Juwaidah http://www.ljuwaidah.org/ From valent.turkovic at gmail.com Tue Jan 1 22:36:56 2008 From: valent.turkovic at gmail.com (Valent Turkovic) Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2008 23:36:56 +0100 Subject: A pretty please (regrading Fedora 9 theme) In-Reply-To: <477985FD.5060503@redhat.com> References: <64b14b300712301451k53c74dbek5684d5c885369257@mail.gmail.com> <64b14b300712301509v75bfd78dnde4123125598ef60@mail.gmail.com> <477985FD.5060503@redhat.com> Message-ID: <64b14b300801011436v6f75d61fr694cde4801e14526@mail.gmail.com> On 1/1/08, M?ir?n Duffy wrote: > Valent Turkovic wrote: > > Here are one audio review which also says artwork for Fedora 8 is lacking: > > http://kernelreloaded.blog385.com/index.php/archives/fedora-8-audio-review/ > > > > and one random forum comment: > > "Artwork quite poor compared to version 7." > > http://linuxmint.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=43139#p43139 > > I could point at a lot more reviews and magazine articles that saw it as > an improvement. It's artwork, it's subjective, you can't please everyone > and if you do you're probably doing something wrong. For every negative > comment I've seen or heard about the F8 theme, I've seen 9 or 10 > positive ones. Did you listen to Linux Action Show podcast review in the link that is provided? They also mention icons and few other issues, but best listen to it if you can. > The wallpaper could have been more exciting, yes. The rest of the > artwork I think is better with a more simple design, though, without too > much in-your-face branding. We don't want the distro to be akin to an > overly gaudy person wearing way too much makeup, you know? I see your point of view and I understand it. I must tell you that I don't have anything againgst Fedora design but I honestly don't see any big difference between Fedora 6 (which I run at work) and Fedora 8 which I run at home. If I took screenshots and compared them I would probably see differences but to an ordinary user and not art team who works on those changes they are so subtle that we don't see them. Only real difference we users actually see is the wallpaper. I use fedora desktop around 10h per day but I look at firefox, gaim and openoffice and not widgets. The parts of the Gnome I look the most are top and bottom panels and of course wallpaper... > ~m Could I trouble you for an oppinion? Did you have an opportunity to run LinuxMint? If not please look at this screenshot: http://www.linuxmint.com/img/screenshots/celena/1024/mintmenu.png What do you think about the theme on Gnome panels. I believe that fedora hasn't changer it's... maybe ever, no? What is your opinion on that? I must admit that the LinuxMint design team really surprised me... they had some "experiments" with the look of their distro that didn't came out well in some previous version, but I must admit that I really love the panels - it is subtle but still looks very nice. Thank you, Valent. -- http://kernelreloaded.blog385.com/ linux, blog, anime, spirituality, windsurf, wireless registered as user #367004 with the Linux Counter, http://counter.li.org. ICQ: 2125241, Skype: valent.turkovic From valent.turkovic at gmail.com Tue Jan 1 22:40:01 2008 From: valent.turkovic at gmail.com (Valent Turkovic) Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2008 23:40:01 +0100 Subject: [F9 theme proposal] (Also Freedom :)) Round 1 In-Reply-To: <477986FB.2050706@redhat.com> References: <64b14b300712301333v2f69919amcfdd65b5b4f52ee9@mail.gmail.com> <477986FB.2050706@redhat.com> Message-ID: <64b14b300801011440k73971d89t5dd01eb869f9802c@mail.gmail.com> On 1/1/08, M?ir?n Duffy wrote: > Valent Turkovic wrote: > > Hi, > > I could't give this another name, because it just screams "freedom" > > and freedom already exists but it is a different theme (or it is not) > > and involves chains. > > > > Please look at this picture: > > http://www.faith47.com/images/Slice_03_03.gif > > > > It is from artists that work on www.dynebolic.org linux distro. > > > > I'm not an artist but a photographer and art critic and I have an eye > > for combining things. I can see fedora logo in the hands of that > > person and it would make a great wallpaper. > > > > The idea is this: > > In the background (bw looks great but also pale fedora colors would > > work) there are all the symbols and tools for taking away freedom and > > in the center you see fedora logo that represents freedom in color as > > it overcomes all that in background. > > This sounds too busy for a default wallpaper. Maybe for an add-on one > though. Well it is a bit busy :) But it was only as an idea, if some who is more artistically inclined than me can use this link I posted as an idea for a less busy one. Valent. -- http://kernelreloaded.blog385.com/ linux, blog, anime, spirituality, windsurf, wireless registered as user #367004 with the Linux Counter, http://counter.li.org. ICQ: 2125241, Skype: valent.turkovic From duffy at redhat.com Tue Jan 1 22:48:19 2008 From: duffy at redhat.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?M=E1ir=EDn_Duffy?=) Date: Tue, 01 Jan 2008 17:48:19 -0500 Subject: A Thought About F9 Artwork In-Reply-To: <200801020130.34708.ljuwaida@fedoraproject.org> References: <1199213133.4762.9.camel@localhost.localdomain> <477A9D2F.7050407@silverorange.com> <200801020130.34708.ljuwaida@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <477AC333.80802@redhat.com> Laith Juwaidah wrote: >>> Perhaps we could adopt a "spring" visual theme for the odd-numbered >>> releases that fall in the spring, and a "fall" visual theme for the >>> even-numbered releases that fall in the, well, fall. > Could it also be that the colors match the season (green for spring releases > and yellow/orange for fall ones?)? Whenever we try anything that is !blue, we get a whole lot of negative feedback. People like to look at the colors far more symbolically than they should I think. ~m From duffy at redhat.com Tue Jan 1 22:55:28 2008 From: duffy at redhat.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?M=E1ir=EDn_Duffy?=) Date: Tue, 01 Jan 2008 17:55:28 -0500 Subject: A pretty please (regrading Fedora 9 theme) In-Reply-To: <64b14b300801011436v6f75d61fr694cde4801e14526@mail.gmail.com> References: <64b14b300712301451k53c74dbek5684d5c885369257@mail.gmail.com> <64b14b300712301509v75bfd78dnde4123125598ef60@mail.gmail.com> <477985FD.5060503@redhat.com> <64b14b300801011436v6f75d61fr694cde4801e14526@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <477AC4E0.7080009@redhat.com> Valent Turkovic wrote: > Did you listen to Linux Action Show podcast review in the link that is > provided? They also mention icons and few other issues, but best > listen to it if you can. Sorry, I didn't, I don't have much time these days. A summary of actual issues brought up would be helpful. >> The wallpaper could have been more exciting, yes. The rest of the >> artwork I think is better with a more simple design, though, without too >> much in-your-face branding. We don't want the distro to be akin to an >> overly gaudy person wearing way too much makeup, you know? > > I see your point of view and I understand it. I must tell you that I > don't have anything againgst Fedora design but I honestly don't see > any big difference between Fedora 6 (which I run at work) and Fedora 8 > which I run at home. You don't see a difference between the artwork in Fedora 6 and Fedora 8? You must be in the far minority. Fedora 6 had much darker colored artwork than Fedora 8, and it was much more heavily branded. > If I took screenshots and compared them I would > probably see differences but to an ordinary user and not art team who > works on those changes they are so subtle that we don't see them. Only > real difference we users actually see is the wallpaper. I think maybe you're talking more about GTK+ and metacity themes, while in our discussion about the Fedora 9 artwork we are talking about the artwork - the wallpaper, splash screens, etc. The former hasn't changed very much no, the latter has changed dramatically and I am not sure how you could actually argue that any differently. > I use fedora desktop around 10h per day but I look at firefox, gaim > and openoffice and not widgets. The parts of the Gnome I look the most > are top and bottom panels and of course wallpaper... Okay, that is different than the artwork we are discussing for sure. If you have a GTK+ and metacity theme you would like to propose for consideration in F9 that would be great. Artwork though is a very different process. I am not sure though how you would confuse Martin's sketches of water waves with designs for GTK+ and metacity themes, that seems a bit of a leap. > Could I trouble you for an oppinion? > Did you have an opportunity to run LinuxMint? If not please look at > this screenshot: > http://www.linuxmint.com/img/screenshots/celena/1024/mintmenu.png > > What do you think about the theme on Gnome panels. I believe that > fedora hasn't changer it's... maybe ever, no? What is your opinion on > that? I must admit that the LinuxMint design team really surprised > me... they had some "experiments" with the look of their distro that > didn't came out well in some previous version, but I must admit that I > really love the panels - it is subtle but still looks very nice. That looks like it's the applications menu from SuSE. I don't really like it from a usability POV - it appears to overwhelm the user with choices. It also looks a bit too much like Windows I think. I think the menu we have in Fedora is much easier and less overwhelming to use but I guess I would have to see or run some comparative usability studies to know if the SuSE-style menu has a negative impact on usability. (I am guessing so from a comparison of the number items presented. Less items tend to be easier to work with.) ~m From duffy at redhat.com Tue Jan 1 22:59:16 2008 From: duffy at redhat.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?M=E1ir=EDn_Duffy?=) Date: Tue, 01 Jan 2008 17:59:16 -0500 Subject: [F9 theme proposal] (Also Freedom :)) Round 1 In-Reply-To: <64b14b300801011440k73971d89t5dd01eb869f9802c@mail.gmail.com> References: <64b14b300712301333v2f69919amcfdd65b5b4f52ee9@mail.gmail.com> <477986FB.2050706@redhat.com> <64b14b300801011440k73971d89t5dd01eb869f9802c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <477AC5C4.4080909@redhat.com> Valent Turkovic wrote: > On 1/1/08, M?ir?n Duffy wrote: >> This sounds too busy for a default wallpaper. Maybe for an add-on one >> though. > > Well it is a bit busy :) But it was only as an idea, if some who is > more artistically inclined than me can use this link I posted as an > idea for a less busy one. I was recently sorting through some papers in my desk at home and came across my notes from the SIGGRAPH 2005 conference in Boston. One quote I captured in those notes that struck me most strongly (I had circled and underlined it a few times) was to the effect of: "Ideas are a dime a dozen, but for someone to take the initiative to make them happen is priceless." Interpret as you will :) And no, you don't need artistic talent yourself to make artwork happen. ~m From dgeiger_343 at yahoo.com Wed Jan 2 03:13:48 2008 From: dgeiger_343 at yahoo.com (Daniel Geiger) Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2008 19:13:48 -0800 (PST) Subject: A Thought About F9 Artwork In-Reply-To: <1199213133.4762.9.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <263132.95579.qm@web45212.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> I believe it would be beneficial to Fedora to stabilize the artwork in successive releases. IMO, radically changing the artwork each release detracts from giving Fedora a recognizable look and feel. I am for refining and improving the artwork, though--maybe in the degree to which Ubuntu refines their backgrounds. As someone else said, I also believe that the artwork of F8 is a good release to build upon for refinements. A question of clarification: what exactly is meant here by "theme" -- GTK+/Metacity, icons, artwork, or something else? ~Daniel John Baer wrote: All, IMO the F8 artwork presents Fedora very favorably and it seems a waste not to leverage this success in F9. Does it make sense to change the theme every other release cycle and use the off cycle to improve or tweak the current theme? Presenting the same question a differ way. Would Fedora users be disappointed if the F9 came with an improved F8 theme (ie. same theme, new wallpaper)? Cheers! John _______________________________________________ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list at redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list --------------------------------- Never miss a thing. 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I am for > refining and improving the artwork, though--maybe in the degree to > which Ubuntu refines their backgrounds. As someone else said, I also > believe that the artwork of F8 is a good release to build upon for > refinements. > A question of clarification: what exactly is meant here by "theme" -- > GTK+/Metacity, icons, artwork, or something else? > > ~Daniel > *//* > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list > -- ~Michael http://ridleytx.structed.net (for now) http://michaelbox.net (eventually) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From inode0 at gmail.com Wed Jan 2 03:58:05 2008 From: inode0 at gmail.com (inode0) Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2008 21:58:05 -0600 Subject: A Thought About F9 Artwork In-Reply-To: <477B0790.8070300@gmail.com> References: <263132.95579.qm@web45212.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> <477B0790.8070300@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Jan 1, 2008 9:40 PM, Michael Beckwith wrote: > > New themes, that are relatively radically different, I tend to think ARE > Fedora's recognizable look. Something new and well done to greet you with > each release. No you can't satisfy everyone, but that should be expected. > Just look at modern art for an example of that. I agree and being bold and innovative in artwork is in harmony with Fedora's emphasis on innovation under the covers too. John From valent.turkovic at gmail.com Wed Jan 2 08:14:58 2008 From: valent.turkovic at gmail.com (Valent Turkovic) Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2008 09:14:58 +0100 Subject: A pretty please (regrading Fedora 9 theme) In-Reply-To: <477AC4E0.7080009@redhat.com> References: <64b14b300712301451k53c74dbek5684d5c885369257@mail.gmail.com> <64b14b300712301509v75bfd78dnde4123125598ef60@mail.gmail.com> <477985FD.5060503@redhat.com> <64b14b300801011436v6f75d61fr694cde4801e14526@mail.gmail.com> <477AC4E0.7080009@redhat.com> Message-ID: <64b14b300801020014l88139bmf660be6ace10a4ee@mail.gmail.com> On 1/1/08, M?ir?n Duffy wrote: > Valent Turkovic wrote: > > Did you listen to Linux Action Show podcast review in the link that is > > provided? They also mention icons and few other issues, but best > > listen to it if you can. > > Sorry, I didn't, I don't have much time these days. A summary of actual > issues brought up would be helpful. > > >> The wallpaper could have been more exciting, yes. The rest of the > >> artwork I think is better with a more simple design, though, without too > >> much in-your-face branding. We don't want the distro to be akin to an > >> overly gaudy person wearing way too much makeup, you know? > > > > I see your point of view and I understand it. I must tell you that I > > don't have anything againgst Fedora design but I honestly don't see > > any big difference between Fedora 6 (which I run at work) and Fedora 8 > > which I run at home. > > You don't see a difference between the artwork in Fedora 6 and Fedora 8? > You must be in the far minority. Fedora 6 had much darker colored > artwork than Fedora 8, and it was much more heavily branded. http://bayimg.com/MAiagaABL http://bayimg.com/MAIAIaaBL Look at these two screenshots, can you guess which is FC6 and which is F8? You probably can... but I would bet lot's of people wouldn't. One is my work FC6 desktop and other is my home Fedora 8. > > If I took screenshots and compared them I would > > probably see differences but to an ordinary user and not art team who > > works on those changes they are so subtle that we don't see them. Only > > real difference we users actually see is the wallpaper. > > I think maybe you're talking more about GTK+ and metacity themes, while > in our discussion about the Fedora 9 artwork we are talking about the > artwork - the wallpaper, splash screens, etc. The former hasn't changed > very much no, the latter has changed dramatically and I am not sure how > you could actually argue that any differently. Yes :) Sorry for the confusion, but I was talking generally about complete Fedora look and artwork, I'm not too much familiar with the terms you probably use every day, so sorry for the confusion. The grub graphical menu, splash screens and wallpape are different but complete look of Fedora hasn't changed that much - here I think about GTK+ and metacity themes and icons. > > I use fedora desktop around 10h per day but I look at firefox, gaim > > and openoffice and not widgets. The parts of the Gnome I look the most > > are top and bottom panels and of course wallpaper... > > Okay, that is different than the artwork we are discussing for sure. If > you have a GTK+ and metacity theme you would like to propose for > consideration in F9 that would be great. Artwork though is a very I can ask the author of the theme I posted you the screenshot because I'm not the author, but please first tell me what you think of it? > different process. I am not sure though how you would confuse Martin's > sketches of water waves with designs for GTK+ and metacity themes, that > seems a bit of a leap. > > > Could I trouble you for an oppinion? > > Did you have an opportunity to run LinuxMint? If not please look at > > this screenshot: > > http://www.linuxmint.com/img/screenshots/celena/1024/mintmenu.png > > > > What do you think about the theme on Gnome panels. I believe that > > fedora hasn't changer it's... maybe ever, no? What is your opinion on > > that? I must admit that the LinuxMint design team really surprised > > me... they had some "experiments" with the look of their distro that > > didn't came out well in some previous version, but I must admit that I > > really love the panels - it is subtle but still looks very nice. > > That looks like it's the applications menu from SuSE. I don't really > like it from a usability POV - it appears to overwhelm the user with > choices. It also looks a bit too much like Windows I think. I think the > menu we have in Fedora is much easier and less overwhelming to use but I > guess I would have to see or run some comparative usability studies to > know if the SuSE-style menu has a negative impact on usability. (I am > guessing so from a comparison of the number items presented. Less items > tend to be easier to work with.) > > ~m I was asking you to look at the artwork, to be more precise to look at the gnome panels GTK+ theme - not the Gnome slab application menu. That isn't subtle, that is a major difference compared to default gnome applications menu. I like it how MintLinux has implemented it but I hate, hate, hate how OpenSuse has implemented it, but that is offtopic. Valent. > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list > -- http://kernelreloaded.blog385.com/ linux, blog, anime, spirituality, windsurf, wireless registered as user #367004 with the Linux Counter, http://counter.li.org. ICQ: 2125241, Skype: valent.turkovic From valent.turkovic at gmail.com Wed Jan 2 09:02:37 2008 From: valent.turkovic at gmail.com (Valent Turkovic) Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2008 10:02:37 +0100 Subject: A pretty please (regrading Fedora 9 theme) In-Reply-To: <477AC4E0.7080009@redhat.com> References: <64b14b300712301451k53c74dbek5684d5c885369257@mail.gmail.com> <64b14b300712301509v75bfd78dnde4123125598ef60@mail.gmail.com> <477985FD.5060503@redhat.com> <64b14b300801011436v6f75d61fr694cde4801e14526@mail.gmail.com> <477AC4E0.7080009@redhat.com> Message-ID: <64b14b300801020102g732f8dc9k73febf76f141213e@mail.gmail.com> On 1/1/08, M?ir?n Duffy wrote: > Valent Turkovic wrote: > > Could I trouble you for an oppinion? > > Did you have an opportunity to run LinuxMint? If not please look at > > this screenshot: > > http://www.linuxmint.com/img/screenshots/celena/1024/mintmenu.png > > Better even look at this screenshot not to confuse it with applications menu: http://www.linuxmint.com/img/screenshots/celena/1024/mintupload.png Valent. -- http://kernelreloaded.blog385.com/ linux, blog, anime, spirituality, windsurf, wireless registered as user #367004 with the Linux Counter, http://counter.li.org. ICQ: 2125241, Skype: valent.turkovic From martin.sourada at seznam.cz Wed Jan 2 09:27:56 2008 From: martin.sourada at seznam.cz (Martin Sourada) Date: Wed, 02 Jan 2008 10:27:56 +0100 Subject: A pretty please (regrading Fedora 9 theme) In-Reply-To: <64b14b300801011436v6f75d61fr694cde4801e14526@mail.gmail.com> References: <64b14b300712301451k53c74dbek5684d5c885369257@mail.gmail.com> <64b14b300712301509v75bfd78dnde4123125598ef60@mail.gmail.com> <477985FD.5060503@redhat.com> <64b14b300801011436v6f75d61fr694cde4801e14526@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1199266076.15835.8.camel@pc-notebook> > What do you think about the theme on Gnome panels. I believe that > fedora hasn't changer it's... maybe ever, no? What is your opinion on > that? I must admit that the LinuxMint design team really surprised > me... they had some "experiments" with the look of their distro that > didn't came out well in some previous version, but I must admit that I > really love the panels - it is subtle but still looks very nice. > > Thank you, > Valent. > The gnome panels looks same as their menus. We don't change default panel look since it's a little buggy, when you attempt to manually add some transparency to it... In the attached screenshot you can see how it looks when you set GTK theme that sets panel background and have one panel with customised look... Anyway. This is slightly off-topic here. The release specific artwork is wallpaper, gdm theme, rhgb theme, etc. If you have suggestions about GTK/Metacity theme, ask in separate thread. It's release agnostic. Martin -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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The change of the gallery needed also some changes to generate-status-table.c so that it points to new location. I committed the changes, as well as the generated tables, into git yesterday [4]. And when I was at it, I decided to move the guidelines [5] to hosted and work a little more on them and improve them to state that they are ready (IMO) for 'undrafting'. So I hereby ask anyone interested in Echo to check them so that we can finally remove the draft message and have the rules for echo icons set (and thus have bigger chance of attracting more contributors). Thanks, Martin References: [0] http://git.fedorahosted.org/git/ [1] https://fedorahosted.org/echo-icon-theme/wiki/IconThemeStatus [2] http://standards.freedesktop.org/icon-naming-spec/icon-naming-spec-latest.html [3] https://fedorahosted.org/echo-icon-theme/wiki/IconNamingProposals [4] http://git.fedorahosted.org/git/?p=echo-icon-theme;a=commit;h=dfa5d963ae9ea42aea397ae1a46f1b05968076fa [5] https://fedorahosted.org/echo-icon-theme/wiki/Guidelines -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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If not please look at >>> this screenshot: >>> http://www.linuxmint.com/img/screenshots/celena/1024/mintmenu.png >>> > > Better even look at this screenshot not to confuse it with applications menu: > http://www.linuxmint.com/img/screenshots/celena/1024/mintupload.png Okay? Do you mean to call attention to the blue line along the side? It looks okayish? Not sure what you are looking for? ~m From duffy at redhat.com Wed Jan 2 15:58:34 2008 From: duffy at redhat.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?M=E1ir=EDn_Duffy?=) Date: Wed, 02 Jan 2008 10:58:34 -0500 Subject: A pretty please (regrading Fedora 9 theme) In-Reply-To: <64b14b300801020014l88139bmf660be6ace10a4ee@mail.gmail.com> References: <64b14b300712301451k53c74dbek5684d5c885369257@mail.gmail.com> <64b14b300712301509v75bfd78dnde4123125598ef60@mail.gmail.com> <477985FD.5060503@redhat.com> <64b14b300801011436v6f75d61fr694cde4801e14526@mail.gmail.com> <477AC4E0.7080009@redhat.com> <64b14b300801020014l88139bmf660be6ace10a4ee@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <477BB4AA.9000009@redhat.com> Valent Turkovic wrote: > On 1/1/08, M?ir?n Duffy wrote: >> Valent Turkovic wrote: >>> Did you listen to Linux Action Show podcast review in the link that is >>> provided? They also mention icons and few other issues, but best >>> listen to it if you can. >> Sorry, I didn't, I don't have much time these days. A summary of actual >> issues brought up would be helpful. >> >>>> The wallpaper could have been more exciting, yes. The rest of the >>>> artwork I think is better with a more simple design, though, without too >>>> much in-your-face branding. We don't want the distro to be akin to an >>>> overly gaudy person wearing way too much makeup, you know? >>> I see your point of view and I understand it. I must tell you that I >>> don't have anything againgst Fedora design but I honestly don't see >>> any big difference between Fedora 6 (which I run at work) and Fedora 8 >>> which I run at home. >> You don't see a difference between the artwork in Fedora 6 and Fedora 8? >> You must be in the far minority. Fedora 6 had much darker colored >> artwork than Fedora 8, and it was much more heavily branded. > > > http://bayimg.com/MAiagaABL > http://bayimg.com/MAIAIaaBL > > Look at these two screenshots, can you guess which is FC6 and which is > F8? You probably can... but I would bet lot's of people wouldn't. One > is my work FC6 desktop and other is my home Fedora 8. The first is clearly FC6, fairly apparent because of the metacity theme (which is quite different between both releases in both design and color) and GTK+ theme (the one in FC6 doesn't have the blur on the tabs). However neither of these screenshots shows any of the large amount of artwork that goes into the release to distinguish it - the wallpaper, etc. But I get your point. You are talking about GTK+ and Metacity themes, NOT the actual release-specific artwork themes that the rest of us are talking about. Please let's not confuse the issue here. > > >>> If I took screenshots and compared them I would >>> probably see differences but to an ordinary user and not art team who >>> works on those changes they are so subtle that we don't see them. Only >>> real difference we users actually see is the wallpaper. >> I think maybe you're talking more about GTK+ and metacity themes, while >> in our discussion about the Fedora 9 artwork we are talking about the >> artwork - the wallpaper, splash screens, etc. The former hasn't changed >> very much no, the latter has changed dramatically and I am not sure how >> you could actually argue that any differently. > > Yes :) Sorry for the confusion, but I was talking generally about > complete Fedora look and artwork, I'm not too much familiar with the > terms you probably use every day, so sorry for the confusion. If you have suggestions for alternative GTK+ and metacity themes we would like to hear them, but telling us you don't like what we have now is less than helpful. We do tend to like to go with what GNOME has chosen upstream. Somewhat recently jimmac blogged about potentially using a dark GTK+ theme in upstream GNOME. > > The grub graphical menu, splash screens and wallpape are different but > complete look of Fedora hasn't changed that much - here I think about > GTK+ and metacity themes and icons. Okay, please don't refer to that as the "complete" look as a lot of hard work goes into the artwork that we do change from theme to theme (although a lot of work went into our new metacity theme for F8 as well). > >>> I use fedora desktop around 10h per day but I look at firefox, gaim >>> and openoffice and not widgets. The parts of the Gnome I look the most >>> are top and bottom panels and of course wallpaper... >> Okay, that is different than the artwork we are discussing for sure. If >> you have a GTK+ and metacity theme you would like to propose for >> consideration in F9 that would be great. Artwork though is a very > > I can ask the author of the theme I posted you the screenshot because > I'm not the author, but please first tell me what you think of it? I think I made my thoughts clear in my response. >>> Could I trouble you for an oppinion? >>> Did you have an opportunity to run LinuxMint? If not please look at >>> this screenshot: >>> http://www.linuxmint.com/img/screenshots/celena/1024/mintmenu.png >>> >>> What do you think about the theme on Gnome panels. I believe that >>> fedora hasn't changer it's... maybe ever, no? What is your opinion on >>> that? I must admit that the LinuxMint design team really surprised >>> me... they had some "experiments" with the look of their distro that >>> didn't came out well in some previous version, but I must admit that I >>> really love the panels - it is subtle but still looks very nice. >> That looks like it's the applications menu from SuSE. I don't really >> like it from a usability POV - it appears to overwhelm the user with >> choices. It also looks a bit too much like Windows I think. I think the >> menu we have in Fedora is much easier and less overwhelming to use but I >> guess I would have to see or run some comparative usability studies to >> know if the SuSE-style menu has a negative impact on usability. (I am >> guessing so from a comparison of the number items presented. Less items >> tend to be easier to work with.) > > I was asking you to look at the artwork, to be more precise to look at > the gnome panels GTK+ theme - not the Gnome slab application menu. > > > That isn't subtle, that is a major difference compared to default > gnome applications menu. I like it how MintLinux has implemented it > but I hate, hate, hate how OpenSuse has implemented it, but that is > offtopic. It looks glossier and it has annoying and distracting diagonal lines in the file menubar area. Beyond that the GTK+ theme doesn look too different than what we have in F8 to me. The vertical line in the right-click menu is interesting. The metacity theme is rather bland imho. ~m From luya_tfz at thefinalzone.com Thu Jan 3 00:06:51 2008 From: luya_tfz at thefinalzone.com (Luya Tshimbalanga) Date: Wed, 02 Jan 2008 16:06:51 -0800 Subject: [Draft] Shoowa theme for Fedora 9 Message-ID: <477C271B.3090209@thefinalzone.com> A quick illustration and information about the theme titled Shoowa. Nothing fancy, just the use of geometrical shape inspired by Kuba people from the Democratic Republic of Congo. Reference: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/F9Themes/Shoowa Luya From luya_tfz at thefinalzone.com Thu Jan 3 00:25:40 2008 From: luya_tfz at thefinalzone.com (Luya Tshimbalanga) Date: Wed, 02 Jan 2008 16:25:40 -0800 Subject: [Echo] Final guidelines draft, final icon naming proposals draft, final new gallery In-Reply-To: <1199284072.15835.22.camel@pc-notebook> References: <1199284072.15835.22.camel@pc-notebook> Message-ID: <477C2B84.4020400@thefinalzone.com> Martin Sourada a ?crit : > Hi, > > I have worked a little on Echo lately, partly because our gallery needed > update to fedorahosted.org git repos [0]... So I decided to work a > little on it and finish it [1]. It now includes all icons that are in > the icon naming specification [2] as well as icons proposed in the icon > naming proposal [3]. There I added what was missing - status icons. > Thank you for updating the page. > The change of the gallery needed also some changes to > generate-status-table.c so that it points to new location. I committed > the changes, as well as the generated tables, into git yesterday [4]. > That reminds to upload new and modified icons. > And when I was at it, I decided to move the guidelines [5] to hosted and > work a little more on them and improve them to state that they are ready > (IMO) for 'undrafting'. So I hereby ask anyone interested in Echo to > check them so that we can finally remove the draft message and have the > rules for echo icons set (and thus have bigger chance of attracting more > contributors). > > I have added a small note for visual impaired users. Other than that, there is no more reason to keep the draft message. Luya From nisses.mail at home.se Thu Jan 3 01:34:14 2008 From: nisses.mail at home.se (Andreas Nilsson) Date: Thu, 03 Jan 2008 02:34:14 +0100 Subject: A pretty please (regrading Fedora 9 theme) In-Reply-To: <64b14b300801011436v6f75d61fr694cde4801e14526@mail.gmail.com> References: <64b14b300712301451k53c74dbek5684d5c885369257@mail.gmail.com> <64b14b300712301509v75bfd78dnde4123125598ef60@mail.gmail.com> <477985FD.5060503@redhat.com> <64b14b300801011436v6f75d61fr694cde4801e14526@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <477C3B96.3090505@home.se> Valent Turkovic wrote: > On 1/1/08, M?ir?n Duffy wrote: > >> Valent Turkovic wrote: >> >>> Here are one audio review which also says artwork for Fedora 8 is lacking: >>> http://kernelreloaded.blog385.com/index.php/archives/fedora-8-audio-review/ >>> >>> and one random forum comment: >>> "Artwork quite poor compared to version 7." >>> http://linuxmint.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=43139#p43139 >>> >> I could point at a lot more reviews and magazine articles that saw it as >> an improvement. It's artwork, it's subjective, you can't please everyone >> and if you do you're probably doing something wrong. For every negative >> comment I've seen or heard about the F8 theme, I've seen 9 or 10 >> positive ones. >> > > Did you listen to Linux Action Show podcast review in the link that is > provided? They also mention icons and few other issues, but best > listen to it if you can. > Hi Valent! It seems like they were kind of vague on what exactly was wrong with the icons. I didn't quite understand if they complained the category icons in the Applications menu or the icons on the top panel. Since they mentioned Red Hat 9 it might have been the top panel ones (bluecurve), but I can't say for sure. Bugs should probably be filed on that. Reviews are just reviews. I've seen a lot of positive ones about Fedora 8 as well. - Andreas From jakub.rusinek at gmail.com Thu Jan 3 13:59:17 2008 From: jakub.rusinek at gmail.com (Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek) Date: Thu, 03 Jan 2008 14:59:17 +0100 Subject: first part of the icon review (with bugzilla links) In-Reply-To: <4775564E.90902@andreasn.se> References: <4775564E.90902@andreasn.se> Message-ID: <1199368757.2916.1.camel@frosty> > * actually the fedora icon looks slightly blurry too - it looks like it > is not aligned to the pixel grid. > - http://www.stephenbrandt.com/tango-icons/fedora/ -open a bug about this? That's really good idea, because GNOME, default Fedora's environment uses Tangoish style be default. Current Fedora's icon is blurry, dark and... ugly. Keeping same styl around whole environment is good. PS: Echo would break whole Tango! Project work... -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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And maybe a light hallo around the silhouette. -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Thu Jan 3 14:42:46 2008 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Thu, 03 Jan 2008 16:42:46 +0200 Subject: A Thought About F9 Artwork In-Reply-To: <1199213133.4762.9.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1199213133.4762.9.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <477CF466.4000102@nicubunu.ro> John Baer wrote: > IMO the F8 artwork presents Fedora very favorably and it seems a waste > not to leverage this success in F9. Duh! and we have another parallel thread about how F8 was the worst :D Talk about artistic subjectivity... > Does it make sense to change the theme every other release cycle and use > the off cycle to improve or tweak the current theme? > > Presenting the same question a differ way. > > Would Fedora users be disappointed if the F9 came with an improved F8 > theme (ie. same theme, new wallpaper)? My personal and unscientific guess: more will be disappointed than happy. But I propose you this approach: make an improved "Infinity" and run it through the normal 3 rounds process so we can see if the general feedback is positive. -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From jspaleta at gmail.com Thu Jan 3 20:26:47 2008 From: jspaleta at gmail.com (Jeff Spaleta) Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2008 11:26:47 -0900 Subject: A Thought About F9 Artwork In-Reply-To: <263132.95579.qm@web45212.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> References: <1199213133.4762.9.camel@localhost.localdomain> <263132.95579.qm@web45212.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <604aa7910801031226x157da3e9h74d116b94920f1c7@mail.gmail.com> On Jan 1, 2008 6:13 PM, Daniel Geiger wrote: > I believe it would be beneficial to Fedora to stabilize the artwork in > successive releases. IMO, radically changing the artwork each release > detracts from giving Fedora a recognizable look and feel. I think having a distinguishing desktop background by default for each release is important. So that its easier to tell at a glance which release, and thus which set of technologies are present. If we don't make destinctive visual changes, then its more likely that less familiar users will run across screenshots and screencasts that don't apply to the release they are actually using because the underlying functionality being expressed in the screen capture has changed. The rest of the graphics (except maybe splash screens) I would agree deserve refinement because they serve a more functional role. Users interact with window borders and buttons and icons and whatnot. But the desktop background itself is purely expressive. I think it must change significantly from release to release so that we avoid a measure of confusion over out-of-the-box expectations for the evolving desktop experience. I don't want people googling and finding a screencast on how to use NetworkManager in F8 and assume its a screencast done on F9 because the most distinctive visual element, the desktop background is too similar. -jef From uno at webworks.se Thu Jan 3 23:29:19 2008 From: uno at webworks.se (Uno Engborg) Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2008 00:29:19 +0100 Subject: A Thought About F9 Artwork In-Reply-To: <604aa7910801031226x157da3e9h74d116b94920f1c7@mail.gmail.com> References: <1199213133.4762.9.camel@localhost.localdomain> <263132.95579.qm@web45212.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> <604aa7910801031226x157da3e9h74d116b94920f1c7@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <9f9040190801031529p23f0b6d7i11f1156d06fcf181@mail.gmail.com> 2008/1/3, Jeff Spaleta : > > > The rest of the graphics (except maybe splash screens) I would agree > deserve refinement because they serve a more functional role. Users > interact with window borders and buttons and icons and whatnot. But > the desktop background itself is purely expressive. No, the background is much more than purely expressive. It constituetes the background for icons placed on the desktop. As such it can provide landmarks for finding a certain icon. As many users use the desktop for storing files files it is also of utter importance that it is not too conspicious, so that it disturbs the user. In essence it should be there but not be noticed all that much. E.g it can be a good idea to avoid figurative images. It is also important to make the smallest detail in the image much larger than the icon size, or it could make it harder for visually impaired people to differentiate between the background and icon contours. i.e. it acts like camoflage. Some kind of easy identifyable subtle pattern is good especially if it is a bit unsymetric an unrepeated. That way it provides good landmarks to help the user remember how his icons are placed. Regards Uno Engborg -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Hopefully, since we will have the > same printer next time and because we were able to develop a color > profile with them for printing, that could probably be 2 weeks for F9. > (iow, actually coming up with the design and then preparing the design > for the printer are two kind of different tasks) As stab in the dark I made each task 1 week. Should this be different? > - there isn't too much room in the schedule for 'bugfixing'. For > example, in F8 we went back and added the hostname to the GDM theme > because it somehow had been omitted. Since we're pushing to get the > artwork into the beta we might get a lot more feedback and "bugs" to > address. I guess I don't see too much room in the schedule for that though? I'm not sure what to change. Shall we see what happens and remember to build our experience into the Fedora 10 schedule? > - banner creation for marketing having 2 weeks is probably a bit much, 1 > week is prolly fine. Changed to 1 week > - As Nicu mentioned already, there are a lot of subtasks to the theming > process. Here are the subtasks that may be worth noting on the schedule: > > -- Round 1: > - theme proposal wiki page created > - theme proposal announcement sent out > - 3 conceptual sketches completed added--please advise on correct durations > -- Round 2: > - theme wallpaper draft completed > - vertically long supporting artwork completed > - horizontally long supporting artwork completed > - square supporting artwork completed added--are these all completed in parallel? > -- Round 3: > - fullscreen splash for syslinux > - square splash for anaconda and firstboot > - anaconda horizontal header > - firstboot vertical header > - fullscreen grub splash > - bootup/loading graphics (new rhgb coming for f9?) > - fullscreen splash for gdm (new gdm, only wallpaper image needed) > - kdm login screen theme > - gnome splash screen > - kde splash screen > - gnome screensaver lock dialog added--are these all completed in parallel? From martin.sourada at seznam.cz Sat Jan 5 17:31:26 2008 From: martin.sourada at seznam.cz (Martin Sourada) Date: Sat, 05 Jan 2008 18:31:26 +0100 Subject: Nodoka 0.7 beta 1 released Message-ID: <1199554286.6716.18.camel@pc-notebook> Hi all, I've just released Nodoka 0.7 beta 1 [1], which is first major step towards Nodoka 0.7 stable and as such I'll package it for rawhide for testing. The changes from 0.6.1 (latest stable) are: * Scroll Bars redesign * New code for drawing Tabs (more efficient) * Removed separator from Option Menu (I'm still not sure if it is for good or for bad) * Bullet color for Check and Radio Buttons is now set in gtkrc * Progress Bar redesign * Reworked Spin Button (so that it now better reflect various states) * Added support for gradients in Toolbar * More options for gradient look in Menu Bar * New focus representation (which introduces another two new engine options) * New extra gtk themes (Nodoka-Aqua, Nodoka-Gilouche, Nodoka-Looks, Nodoka-Midnight, Nodoka-Silver, Nodoka-Rounded, Nodoka-Squared) * Some changes to the default Nodoka gtk theme * Various fixes and workarounds for buggy situations You can get the release from the git repo on fedorahosted [2] (still there is no convenient way how to upload files intended to download to fedorahosted?). I also added Screenshots [3] subpage to the Nodoka wiki, so that people can look how it looks and comment on it without the need of installing it (especially helpful during alpha and beta stages when the engine might be unstable). It would be cool if people made some comments/suggestions both to the engine and theme, especially for the new themes so that we can make further improvements before stable release. In the screenshots you can also notice newer metacity that that available publicly. I am still not sure about it, so I didn't uploaded it to git yet, so I would be grateful for your comments/suggestions in this matter as well. I'll notice you when the rawhide package is ready. Thanks, Martin References: [1] http://git.fedorahosted.org/git/?p=nodoka;a=blob_plain;f=releases/0.7/gtk-nodoka-engine-0.6.90.1.tar.gz;hb=HEAD [2] http://git.fedorahosted.org/git/?p=nodoka;a=summary [3] https://fedorahosted.org/nodoka/wiki/Screenshots -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From jonathan.roberts.uk at googlemail.com Sat Jan 5 19:00:43 2008 From: jonathan.roberts.uk at googlemail.com (Jonathan Roberts) Date: Sat, 05 Jan 2008 19:00:43 +0000 Subject: Nodoka 0.7 beta 1 released In-Reply-To: <1199554286.6716.18.camel@pc-notebook> References: <1199554286.6716.18.camel@pc-notebook> Message-ID: <1199559643.2776.10.camel@localhost.localdomain> Hey :) A few opinions on it. I haven't commented on every change because that would be dull boring for everyone reading "awesome" a lot :) On Sat, 2008-01-05 at 18:31 +0100, Martin Sourada wrote: > Hi all, > > I've just released Nodoka 0.7 beta 1 [1], which is first major step > towards Nodoka 0.7 stable and as such I'll package it for rawhide for > testing. > > The changes from 0.6.1 (latest stable) are: > * Scroll Bars redesign I like these very much! Really nice width and look very sleek - much more than Oxygen scroll bars (though I like the solid colour on Oxygen), might be cool if they were a more solid colour when you hover them too but that's my opinion (lol this is art right, it's all going to be subjective!) > * New code for drawing Tabs (more efficient) > * Removed separator from Option Menu (I'm still not sure if it > is for good or for bad) I'm not sure about this either - although it differentiates it from a combo box it maybe looks incosistent? > * New extra gtk themes (Nodoka-Aqua, Nodoka-Gilouche, > Nodoka-Looks, Nodoka-Midnight, Nodoka-Silver, Nodoka-Rounded, > Nodoka-Squared) I really like the idea of the midnight version...only thing is it looks a little bit messy in real world use - maybe this can't be helped with this palette, probably not going to be so subtle as the others. I can post a screen shot of where I think this is particularly obvious if you like, or you could try it in a busy evolution window yourself... Two feature requests as well, maybe you're interested in doing this at some point, or maybe there's a better place to post them? Better theme for the panels would be *awesome*, i.e. something other than plain grey; also, maybe a slightly more interesting look for the menus, rather than just boxes? I don't even know if these are possible! All in all, great work :) Best wishes, Jon > > Thanks, > Martin > > References: > [1] > http://git.fedorahosted.org/git/?p=nodoka;a=blob_plain;f=releases/0.7/gtk-nodoka-engine-0.6.90.1.tar.gz;hb=HEAD > [2] http://git.fedorahosted.org/git/?p=nodoka;a=summary > [3] https://fedorahosted.org/nodoka/wiki/Screenshots > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list From joachim.frieben at googlemail.com Sat Jan 5 19:21:57 2008 From: joachim.frieben at googlemail.com (Joachim Frieben) Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2008 20:21:57 +0100 Subject: Nodoka 0.7 beta 1 released In-Reply-To: <1199554286.6716.18.camel@pc-notebook> References: <1199554286.6716.18.camel@pc-notebook> Message-ID: <1c252d490801051121q194b0ea0y20f05be008002697@mail.gmail.com> On Jan 5, 2008 6:31 PM, Martin Sourada wrote: > > [3] https://fedorahosted.org/nodoka/wiki/Screenshots This URL is badly chosen, as for FF3 and equivalent, it leads to a secure connection failure because of an invalid certificate. For the current epiphany development version, this failure renders the page effectively inaccessible. It might thus be better to avoid using "fedorahosted.org" completely and use "hosted.fedoraproject.org" instead for which the certificate has been issued. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jakub.rusinek at gmail.com Sat Jan 5 19:21:17 2008 From: jakub.rusinek at gmail.com (Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek) Date: Sat, 05 Jan 2008 20:21:17 +0100 Subject: Nodoka 0.7 beta 1 released In-Reply-To: <1c252d490801051121q194b0ea0y20f05be008002697@mail.gmail.com> References: <1199554286.6716.18.camel@pc-notebook> <1c252d490801051121q194b0ea0y20f05be008002697@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1199560877.12967.1.camel@frosty.site> Firefox 3 had nice interface to add exceptions without opening "Preferences". It was changed some time ago and now Firefox tells "open Preferences and add an exception". That's unusable... I liked FF3 very much until they modified this behaviour. Dnia 05-01-2008, So o godzinie 20:21 +0100, Joachim Frieben pisze: > On Jan 5, 2008 6:31 PM, Martin Sourada > wrote: > > [3] https://fedorahosted.org/nodoka/wiki/Screenshots > > This URL is badly chosen, as for FF3 and equivalent, it leads to a > secure connection failure because of an invalid certificate. For the > current epiphany development version, this failure renders the page > effectively inaccessible. > It might thus be better to avoid using "fedorahosted.org" completely > and use "hosted.fedoraproject.org" instead for which the certificate > has been issued. > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list -- Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek http://liviopl.jogger.pl/ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I understand security is important but the first time this I had to figure out the atrocious Firefox preference dialogs and how to add an exception. I want that hour of my life back. - David *I'm not into BDSM.. please how many times do I have to explain that Mozilla?* Nielsen -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I liked FF3 very > > much until they modified this behaviour. > > Yes, thank you Mozilla for making this so retarded. I understand > security is important but the first time this I had to figure out the > atrocious Firefox preference dialogs and how to add an exception. > > I want that hour of my life back. > > - David *I'm not into BDSM.. please how many times do I have to explain > that Mozilla?* Nielsen > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list -- Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek http://liviopl.jogger.pl/ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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For the > current epiphany development version, this failure renders the page > effectively inaccessible. > It might thus be better to avoid using "fedorahosted.org" completely > and use "hosted.fedoraproject.org" instead for which the certificate > has been issued. > Oh, I'm sorry... I noticed this too, but didn't realised it when I wrote the mail... I recently switched to rawhide epiphany, which uses xulrunner, so I know it only too well... The problem is that even if you start with hosted.fp.o you'll get sooner or later forwarded to fh.o as it's new default. I hope the new certificate will be generated soon (or epiphany/firefox fixed)... Martin -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From martin.sourada at seznam.cz Sat Jan 5 21:46:27 2008 From: martin.sourada at seznam.cz (Martin Sourada) Date: Sat, 05 Jan 2008 22:46:27 +0100 Subject: Nodoka 0.7 beta 1 released In-Reply-To: <1199559643.2776.10.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1199554286.6716.18.camel@pc-notebook> <1199559643.2776.10.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1199569587.6716.40.camel@pc-notebook> On Sat, 2008-01-05 at 20:00 +0100, Jonathan Roberts wrote: > Hey :) > > A few opinions on it. I haven't commented on every change because that > would be dull boring for everyone reading "awesome" a lot :) > > On Sat, 2008-01-05 at 18:31 +0100, Martin Sourada wrote: > > Hi all, > > > > I've just released Nodoka 0.7 beta 1 [1], which is first major step > > towards Nodoka 0.7 stable and as such I'll package it for rawhide for > > testing. > > > > The changes from 0.6.1 (latest stable) are: > > * Scroll Bars redesign > > I like these very much! Really nice width and look very sleek - much > more than Oxygen scroll bars (though I like the solid colour on Oxygen), > might be cool if they were a more solid colour when you hover them too > but that's my opinion (lol this is art right, it's all going to be > subjective!) > If I take your meaning right, it's as simple as changing one option in the gtkrc file... So everyone can experiment with this and post his e.g. results here. Currently it's set for all widgets with button styling in the default theme with this setting: bg[PRELIGHT] = mix(0.90, shade (1.05, at bg_color), @selected_bg_color) > > * New code for drawing Tabs (more efficient) > > * Removed separator from Option Menu (I'm still not sure if it > > is for good or for bad) > > I'm not sure about this either - although it differentiates it from a > combo box it maybe looks incosistent? > A little... IMHO we have only to ways to go in the final release - disable it for both or enable it for both... > > * New extra gtk themes (Nodoka-Aqua, Nodoka-Gilouche, > > Nodoka-Looks, Nodoka-Midnight, Nodoka-Silver, Nodoka-Rounded, > > Nodoka-Squared) > > I really like the idea of the midnight version...only thing is it looks > a little bit messy in real world use - maybe this can't be helped with > this palette, probably not going to be so subtle as the others. > > I can post a screen shot of where I think this is particularly obvious > if you like, or you could try it in a busy evolution window yourself... > > Two feature requests as well, maybe you're interested in doing this at > some point, or maybe there's a better place to post them? Better theme > for the panels would be *awesome*, i.e. something other than plain grey; > also, maybe a slightly more interesting look for the menus, rather than > just boxes? I don't even know if these are possible! > As for the menu it is possible... If only I had some idea... About the panel, I still didn't have enough time to explore this area, but from try with many different themes that implement different than plain colour on the panel it seems a bit buggy, especially when a user decides to make one of his panels transparent... I believe Clearlooks guys are going to venture to this area in some of the next gnome releases and as they are from the gnome team itself they ought to know best how to make it possible. The best place to ask for adding features is in Nodoka trac ticket system [1]. I believe I opened the ticket system so that it's usable even for unauthorised people, so everyone can open/comment tickets. And best place to submit and discuss sketches of what might the changes be, prior to submitting a RFE/Feature Request, is this list ;-) > All in all, great work :) > > Best wishes, > > Jon Martin References: [1] https://fedorahosted.org/nodoka/newticket or https://hosted.fedoraproject.org/nodoka/newticket -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Thanks, Martin References: [1] http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/buildinfo?buildID=30221 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From mclasen at redhat.com Sun Jan 6 02:49:49 2008 From: mclasen at redhat.com (Matthias Clasen) Date: Sat, 05 Jan 2008 21:49:49 -0500 Subject: Nodoka 0.7 beta 1 released In-Reply-To: <1199562804.4805.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1199554286.6716.18.camel@pc-notebook> <1c252d490801051121q194b0ea0y20f05be008002697@mail.gmail.com> <1199560877.12967.1.camel@frosty.site> <1199562804.4805.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1199587789.4180.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Sat, 2008-01-05 at 20:53 +0100, David Nielsen wrote: > Em S?b, 2008-01-05 ?s 20:21 +0100, Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek escreveu: > > Firefox 3 had nice interface to add exceptions without opening > > "Preferences". It was changed some time ago and now Firefox tells "open > > Preferences and add an exception". That's unusable... I liked FF3 very > > much until they modified this behaviour. > > Yes, thank you Mozilla for making this so retarded. I understand > security is important but the first time this I had to figure out the > atrocious Firefox preference dialogs and how to add an exception. > > I want that hour of my life back. > Making it this annoying may be the only way to get some of the web sites fixes. I'd certainly hope that it has this effect for the RH/Fedora servers... From kevin.kofler at chello.at Sun Jan 6 04:22:49 2008 From: kevin.kofler at chello.at (Kevin Kofler) Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2008 04:22:49 +0000 (UTC) Subject: Nodoka 0.7 beta 1 released References: <1199554286.6716.18.camel@pc-notebook> Message-ID: Martin Sourada seznam.cz> writes: > Nodoka-Aqua I think you're infringing on Apple's trademark there, something more generic like Nodoka-Water, Nodoka-Sea or Nodoka-Ocean might be a better idea. (WARNING: I haven't done any trademark search on those names, I just know Aqua is obviously bad. ;-) ) > In the screenshots you can also notice newer metacity that that > available publicly. I am still not sure about it, so I didn't uploaded > it to git yet, so I would be grateful for your comments/suggestions in > this matter as well. Do you mean the latest code is not in releases/ or not in the repo itself? If it's the latter, I'll have to kindly ask you to be more open about development, if we (KDE SIG folks) seriously want to work on matching KDE themes, we'll have to be able to track your work closely. This means every change should be committed ASAP, not in "code drops". To be clear: changes should be going into the git repo ASAP (even when not fully releasable yet), releases should only happen when the code is actually releasable, of course. :-) Kevin Kofler From jakub.rusinek at gmail.com Sun Jan 6 08:00:57 2008 From: jakub.rusinek at gmail.com (Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek) Date: Sun, 06 Jan 2008 09:00:57 +0100 Subject: Nodoka 0.7 beta 1 released In-Reply-To: <1199587789.4180.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1199554286.6716.18.camel@pc-notebook> <1c252d490801051121q194b0ea0y20f05be008002697@mail.gmail.com> <1199560877.12967.1.camel@frosty.site> <1199562804.4805.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1199587789.4180.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1199606457.5135.0.camel@frosty.site> Imagine end-users which want help even with changing wallpaper. They would say "my Internet is broken". Simple GUI is needed. Dnia 05-01-2008, So o godzinie 21:49 -0500, Matthias Clasen pisze: > On Sat, 2008-01-05 at 20:53 +0100, David Nielsen wrote: > > Em S?b, 2008-01-05 ?s 20:21 +0100, Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek escreveu: > > > Firefox 3 had nice interface to add exceptions without opening > > > "Preferences". It was changed some time ago and now Firefox tells "open > > > Preferences and add an exception". That's unusable... I liked FF3 very > > > much until they modified this behaviour. > > > > Yes, thank you Mozilla for making this so retarded. I understand > > security is important but the first time this I had to figure out the > > atrocious Firefox preference dialogs and how to add an exception. > > > > I want that hour of my life back. > > > > Making it this annoying may be the only way to get some of the web sites > fixes. I'd certainly hope that it has this effect for the RH/Fedora > servers... > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list -- Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek http://liviopl.jogger.pl/ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 194 bytes Desc: To jest cz??? wiadomo?ci podpisana cyfrowo URL: From jakub.rusinek at gmail.com Sun Jan 6 08:01:49 2008 From: jakub.rusinek at gmail.com (Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek) Date: Sun, 06 Jan 2008 09:01:49 +0100 Subject: Nodoka 0.7 beta 1 released In-Reply-To: References: <1199554286.6716.18.camel@pc-notebook> Message-ID: <1199606509.5135.2.camel@frosty.site> Aqua is trademarked? I'm waiting for trademarked potatoes, tomatoes, bananas etc. :> . Dnia 06-01-2008, N o godzinie 04:22 +0000, Kevin Kofler pisze: > Martin Sourada seznam.cz> writes: > > Nodoka-Aqua > > I think you're infringing on Apple's trademark there, something more generic > like Nodoka-Water, Nodoka-Sea or Nodoka-Ocean might be a better idea. (WARNING: > I haven't done any trademark search on those names, I just know Aqua is > obviously bad. ;-) ) > > > In the screenshots you can also notice newer metacity that that > > available publicly. I am still not sure about it, so I didn't uploaded > > it to git yet, so I would be grateful for your comments/suggestions in > > this matter as well. > > Do you mean the latest code is not in releases/ or not in the repo itself? If > it's the latter, I'll have to kindly ask you to be more open about development, > if we (KDE SIG folks) seriously want to work on matching KDE themes, we'll have > to be able to track your work closely. 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I am still not sure about it, so I didn't uploaded > > it to git yet, so I would be grateful for your comments/suggestions in > > this matter as well. > > Do you mean the latest code is not in releases/ or not in the repo itself? If > it's the latter, I'll have to kindly ask you to be more open about development, > if we (KDE SIG folks) seriously want to work on matching KDE themes, we'll have > to be able to track your work closely. This means every change should be > committed ASAP, not in "code drops". > > To be clear: changes should be going into the git repo ASAP (even when not > fully releasable yet), releases should only happen when the code is actually > releasable, of course. :-) > > Kevin Kofler > The code is not in git not because it's not complete but because I am not sure about the design itself... But if you persist, I can upload it to git as soon as you ask. GTK Engine changes I push to git as soon as I make any improvement. But as Metacity is obviously easier to make changes to, when I think up new design I just update my testing Metacity theme and use it for a while and on the art list note it as design, as it IS a design, even though fully working. When I am content with the design I push it to git. But if you think I should push even code which is in design stage, I am open to change my behaviour. Thanks, Martin References: [1] http://www.gnome-look.org/content/show.php/Aqua+Clear?content=72527 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Some > details might be missing so feel free to adjust them. > > Luya > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list -- Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek http://liviopl.jogger.pl/ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Some > > details might be missing so feel free to adjust them. > > > > Luya > > > > These are great! I'd maybe make stronger outline to the 32x32 and 48x48 > version and better align to grid the 16x16 version but otherwise it's > great. Much more echoey than the previous version. > > I believe you are missing a symlink there. > System->Preferences->Hardware->Palm OS Devices use gnome-palm icon. > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list -- Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek http://liviopl.jogger.pl/ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 194 bytes Desc: To jest cz??? wiadomo?ci podpisana cyfrowo URL: From stickster at gmail.com Sun Jan 6 21:05:58 2008 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Sun, 06 Jan 2008 16:05:58 -0500 Subject: StoreSIG: Moving Forward In-Reply-To: <10e0a9b00801051337l69aebd1es505181ef4d9af078@mail.gmail.com> References: <10e0a9b00801051337l69aebd1es505181ef4d9af078@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1199653558.2356.114.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Sat, 2008-01-05 at 16:37 -0500, Jeffrey Tadlock wrote: > And this brings us to where we left off before the holidays. From > where I type I see the following as the things we need to work on in > order to continue forward. > > - We need a mockup of the portal page. Some basic requirements of the > page are listed in this email. We have two names associated with the > task now, one of which is Max who I am sure is swamped. My mockup > skills are near non-existent, but I can work on getting the general > requirements up on the Wiki for reference. If anyone wants to jump in > and help with a basic mockup, that would be much appreciated. 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From markg85 at gmail.com Sun Jan 6 23:57:21 2008 From: markg85 at gmail.com (Mark) Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2008 00:57:21 +0100 Subject: [Echo] Reworked preference-desktop-pda icon In-Reply-To: <4780A1B9.8020102@thefinalzone.com> References: <4780A1B9.8020102@thefinalzone.com> Message-ID: <6e24a8e80801061557q5e73a057ka5930dd424014263@mail.gmail.com> 2008/1/6, Luya Tshimbalanga : > I have taken some time to rework preference-desktop-pda icon for Echo. > For some reasons, it does not replace le legacy Bluecurve version. Some > details might be missing so feel free to adjust them. > > Luya Looking good! except for the 16x16. Perhaps a lighter blue color in the screen? it seems to dark now compared to his bigger versions. From linux at elfshadow.net Mon Jan 7 02:02:38 2008 From: linux at elfshadow.net (Jeffrey Tadlock) Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2008 21:02:38 -0500 Subject: StoreSIG: Moving Forward In-Reply-To: <1199653558.2356.114.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <10e0a9b00801051337l69aebd1es505181ef4d9af078@mail.gmail.com> <1199653558.2356.114.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <10e0a9b00801061802x4ffc974ase80a5ad2b812adcf@mail.gmail.com> On Jan 6, 2008 4:05 PM, Paul W. Frields wrote: > You could try contacting the Artwork team, which has a design service > for just this need: > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/DesignService > > I'm cc'ing their list with followups here to f-marketing-l. Thanks Paul! I have also created a general requirements page on the wiki to help give people an idea of what we are looking for. That page is here: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/Store/GeneralRequirements Anyone interested, feel free to post to the list with questions or contact me on IRC with questions, I can be found in #fedora-mktg as iWolf. Thanks! Jeffrey From luya_tfz at thefinalzone.com Mon Jan 7 20:33:12 2008 From: luya_tfz at thefinalzone.com (Luya Tshimbalanga) Date: Mon, 07 Jan 2008 12:33:12 -0800 Subject: [Echo] Reworked preference-desktop-pda icon In-Reply-To: <6e24a8e80801061557q5e73a057ka5930dd424014263@mail.gmail.com> References: <4780A1B9.8020102@thefinalzone.com> <6e24a8e80801061557q5e73a057ka5930dd424014263@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <47828C88.6080307@thefinalzone.com> Mark a ?crit : > Looking good! except for the 16x16. Perhaps a lighter blue color in > the screen? it seems to dark now compared to his bigger versions. > > I have modified the 16x16 version. The screen is more light. Luya -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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It now uses the hard disk drive based from drive-harddisk icon.[2] > Document-save-as got the same treatment but smaller icons are not done yet. > > More new and modified icons to come soon. > > > Luya > Here is the references: [1]http://luya.fedorapeople.org/images/echo/devices/ [2]http://luya.fedorapeople.org/images/echo/action/ -- ??D0 References: <1199554286.6716.18.camel@pc-notebook> <1c252d490801051121q194b0ea0y20f05be008002697@mail.gmail.com> <1199560877.12967.1.camel@frosty.site> <1199562804.4805.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1199587789.4180.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1199606457.5135.0.camel@frosty.site> <1199658346.26360.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <5e92ee3f0801070955i506c9ee8x76e3957a7df002d1@mail.gmail.com> It should provide simple GUI as Firefox needs to be usable. EOT. 2008/1/6, Matthias Clasen : > > > On Sun, 2008-01-06 at 09:00 +0100, Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek wrote: > > Imagine end-users which want help even with changing wallpaper. > > They would say "my Internet is broken". Simple GUI is needed. > > Well, in this case, the internet is really broken. firefox simply > doesn't cover it up any longer... > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Perhaps a lighter blue color in > the screen? it seems to dark now compared to his bigger versions. > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kevin.kofler at chello.at Tue Jan 8 06:34:16 2008 From: kevin.kofler at chello.at (Kevin Kofler) Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2008 06:34:16 +0000 (UTC) Subject: Nodoka 0.7 beta 1 released References: <1199554286.6716.18.camel@pc-notebook> <1c252d490801051121q194b0ea0y20f05be008002697@mail.gmail.com> <1199560877.12967.1.camel@frosty.site> <1199562804.4805.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1199587789.4180.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: Matthias Clasen redhat.com> writes: > Making it this annoying may be the only way to get some of the web sites > fixes. I'd certainly hope that it has this effect for the RH/Fedora > servers... "Get them fixed" as in "force them to shell out loads of money to the certificate cartels"... What security does this bring in practice? Consider that many phishing sites have valid (!) SSL certificates, whereas several legitimate sites have self-signed certificates. And no, I don't need a theory rehash about man-in-the-middle attacks, I know that valid certificates prevent these, but in practice MITM isn't what's used for real-world attacks, phishing-gangster-at-the-other-end is, and SSL certificates have shown highly vulnerable to these (because let's face it, the certificate cartels' real motivation is to make money, they'll do as few verifications of their clients as they'll get away with). Kevin Kofler From duffy at redhat.com Tue Jan 8 14:15:19 2008 From: duffy at redhat.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?M=E1ir=EDn_Duffy?=) Date: Tue, 08 Jan 2008 09:15:19 -0500 Subject: Nodoka 0.7 beta 1 released In-Reply-To: References: <1199554286.6716.18.camel@pc-notebook> <1c252d490801051121q194b0ea0y20f05be008002697@mail.gmail.com> <1199560877.12967.1.camel@frosty.site> <1199562804.4805.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1199587789.4180.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <47838577.7080903@redhat.com> Kevin Kofler wrote: > Matthias Clasen redhat.com> writes: >> Making it this annoying may be the only way to get some of the web sites >> fixes. I'd certainly hope that it has this effect for the RH/Fedora >> servers... > > "Get them fixed" as in "force them to shell out loads of money to the > certificate cartels"... What security does this bring in practice? Consider > that many phishing sites have valid (!) SSL certificates, whereas several > legitimate sites have self-signed certificates. > > And no, I don't need a theory rehash about man-in-the-middle attacks, I know > that valid certificates prevent these, but in practice MITM isn't what's used > for real-world attacks, phishing-gangster-at-the-other-end is, and SSL > certificates have shown highly vulnerable to these (because let's face it, the > certificate cartels' real motivation is to make money, they'll do as few > verifications of their clients as they'll get away with). I had to look at the to: line on your email to confirm that it really was sent to fedora-art-list. Please, take this discussion off-list as it doesn't have much to do with Fedora's artwork. Thanks, ~m From markg85 at gmail.com Tue Jan 8 14:33:07 2008 From: markg85 at gmail.com (Mark) Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2008 15:33:07 +0100 Subject: [Echo] Reworked preference-desktop-pda icon In-Reply-To: <47828C88.6080307@thefinalzone.com> References: <4780A1B9.8020102@thefinalzone.com> <6e24a8e80801061557q5e73a057ka5930dd424014263@mail.gmail.com> <47828C88.6080307@thefinalzone.com> Message-ID: <6e24a8e80801080633y613d66c8t2ecebe786afc172a@mail.gmail.com> 2008/1/7, Luya Tshimbalanga : > Mark a ?crit : > > Looking good! except for the 16x16. Perhaps a lighter blue color in > > the screen? it seems to dark now compared to his bigger versions. > > > > > > I have modified the 16x16 version. The screen is more light. > > Luya No more critics. it just looks good now From martin.sourada at gmail.com Tue Jan 8 14:54:26 2008 From: martin.sourada at gmail.com (Martin Sourada) Date: Tue, 08 Jan 2008 15:54:26 +0100 Subject: [Echo] Reworked preference-desktop-pda icon In-Reply-To: <47828C88.6080307@thefinalzone.com> References: <4780A1B9.8020102@thefinalzone.com> <6e24a8e80801061557q5e73a057ka5930dd424014263@mail.gmail.com> <47828C88.6080307@thefinalzone.com> Message-ID: <1199804066.18640.1.camel@pc-notebook.kolej.mff.cuni.cz> On Mon, 2008-01-07 at 12:33 -0800, Luya Tshimbalanga wrote: > Mark a ?crit : > > Looking good! except for the 16x16. Perhaps a lighter blue color in > > the screen? it seems to dark now compared to his bigger versions. > > > > > > I have modified the 16x16 version. The screen is more light. > > Luya Just a tiny simplification and alignment to pixel grid attached :) Martin -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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The inline is more lighter to > allow a better transition between value to produce a more volumetric > shape[1]. > > Document-save got revisited to address the issue about the use of floppy > disk. It now uses the hard disk drive based from drive-harddisk icon.[2] > Document-save-as got the same treatment but smaller icons are not done yet. > > More new and modified icons to come soon. > > > Luya > The camera looks good, but I don't like the document-save(-as). What about using a proper hard-disk image shaped like e.g. this [1]? I believe that would be easier recognisable and not easily mistaken for e.g. UPS... Gnome icon theme uses similar shape [2]. Martin References: [1] http://www.sniper.be/wp-content/uploads/hddimg.jpg [2] http://people.freedesktop.org/~jimmac/icons/ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Matthias From martin.sourada at gmail.com Tue Jan 8 17:18:14 2008 From: martin.sourada at gmail.com (Martin Sourada) Date: Tue, 08 Jan 2008 18:18:14 +0100 Subject: Focus issues in new Nodoka In-Reply-To: <1199805974.30082.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1199805974.30082.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1199812695.18640.15.camel@pc-notebook.kolej.mff.cuni.cz> On Tue, 2008-01-08 at 10:26 -0500, Matthias Clasen wrote: > Here are some examples showing why I am not a fan of replacing the > traditional focus rectangle by some newfangled glow: > > ?http://people.redhat.com/mclasen/bad-focus1.png > What is the odd blue line there ? Yes, that is the sad remains of a > focus indicator... > Well, that is not the sad remains of focus indicator, but the sad remains of first try on handling it for GtkExpander... I've just fixed it in git. Thanks for the noticing me. > > http://people.redhat.com/mclasen/bad-focus2.png > And guess where the focus is here ? > Who knows... I'd guess nowhere... It is certainly neither on the tabs, nor in the shell... And I don't see there any other widget, that could have focus... How did you managed to do this? > > Matthias > Martin -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From mclasen at redhat.com Tue Jan 8 17:45:49 2008 From: mclasen at redhat.com (Matthias Clasen) Date: Tue, 08 Jan 2008 12:45:49 -0500 Subject: Focus issues in new Nodoka In-Reply-To: <1199812695.18640.15.camel@pc-notebook.kolej.mff.cuni.cz> References: <1199805974.30082.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1199812695.18640.15.camel@pc-notebook.kolej.mff.cuni.cz> Message-ID: <1199814349.30082.16.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Tue, 2008-01-08 at 18:18 +0100, Martin Sourada wrote: > > > > http://people.redhat.com/mclasen/bad-focus2.png > > And guess where the focus is here ? > > > Who knows... I'd guess nowhere... It is certainly neither on the tabs, > nor in the shell... And I don't see there any other widget, that could > have focus... How did you managed to do this? > The focus is on the label of the second tab From markg85 at gmail.com Tue Jan 8 18:47:11 2008 From: markg85 at gmail.com (Mark) Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2008 19:47:11 +0100 Subject: [Echo] Some updates. In-Reply-To: <47829C0E.5080907@thefinalzone.com> References: <47829C0E.5080907@thefinalzone.com> Message-ID: <6e24a8e80801081047u75a02f10ob970895efdd61cfa@mail.gmail.com> 2008/1/7, Luya Tshimbalanga : > Camera set icon got more modifications. The inline is more lighter to > allow a better transition between value to produce a more volumetric > shape[1]. > > Document-save got revisited to address the issue about the use of floppy > disk. It now uses the hard disk drive based from drive-harddisk icon.[2] > Document-save-as got the same treatment but smaller icons are not done yet. > > More new and modified icons to come soon. > > > Luya Hey, i like the new camera icon more than the previous one but this time with the critic that it could use some more contrast. The shape is fine! just play a bit with some colors. And for document-save.. if i see that icon in a application i would have never guessed that it stands for saving a document. That icon on it's own looks fine but just not for document-save. Perhaps it's better to use a floppy for the saving icon? good luck. From martin.sourada at gmail.com Tue Jan 8 19:15:44 2008 From: martin.sourada at gmail.com (Martin Sourada) Date: Tue, 08 Jan 2008 20:15:44 +0100 Subject: Focus issues in new Nodoka In-Reply-To: <1199814349.30082.16.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1199805974.30082.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1199812695.18640.15.camel@pc-notebook.kolej.mff.cuni.cz> <1199814349.30082.16.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1199819745.18640.23.camel@pc-notebook.kolej.mff.cuni.cz> On Tue, 2008-01-08 at 12:45 -0500, Matthias Clasen wrote: > On Tue, 2008-01-08 at 18:18 +0100, Martin Sourada wrote: > > > > > > > http://people.redhat.com/mclasen/bad-focus2.png > > > And guess where the focus is here ? > > > > > Who knows... I'd guess nowhere... It is certainly neither on the tabs, > > nor in the shell... And I don't see there any other widget, that could > > have focus... How did you managed to do this? > > > > The focus is on the label of the second tab > Then it cannot be helped IMO. The focus should be on the tab itself. And when it is, it looks like this [1]. But it never happened to me in other app than firefox (which however does not use native focus implementation on tab label) to have tab label instead of tab focused. Just a side question, is your screen-shot from F9 or F8? I didn't tested the new Nodoka on F9 yet, so if there is some different implementation in gtk2 it could have slipped my attention. Martin References: [1] http://mso.fedorapeople.org/nodoka/focus-tab.png -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Gnome icon theme uses similar shape [2]. > > Martin > > References: > [1] http://www.sniper.be/wp-content/uploads/hddimg.jpg > [2] http://people.freedesktop.org/~jimmac/icons/ > Document-save(-as) icon set is updated [1]. Luya Reference: [1]http://luya.fedorapeople.org/images/echo/actions/ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: document-save48a.png Type: image/png Size: 3009 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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In-Reply-To: <6e24a8e80801081047u75a02f10ob970895efdd61cfa@mail.gmail.com> References: <47829C0E.5080907@thefinalzone.com> <6e24a8e80801081047u75a02f10ob970895efdd61cfa@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <47840BB8.8090303@thefinalzone.com> Mark a ?crit : > 2008/1/7, Luya Tshimbalanga : > >> Camera set icon got more modifications. The inline is more lighter to >> allow a better transition between value to produce a more volumetric >> shape[1]. >> >> Document-save got revisited to address the issue about the use of floppy >> disk. It now uses the hard disk drive based from drive-harddisk icon.[2] >> Document-save-as got the same treatment but smaller icons are not done yet. >> >> More new and modified icons to come soon. >> >> >> Luya >> > > Hey, > > i like the new camera icon more than the previous one but this time > with the critic that it could use some more contrast. The shape is > fine! just play a bit with some colors. > Updated version available[1] http://luya.fedorapeople.org/images/echo/devices/ > And for document-save.. if i see that icon in a application i would > have never guessed that it stands for saving a document. That icon on > it's own looks fine but just not for document-save. Perhaps it's > better to use a floppy for the saving icon? > Floppy disk has been replaced by hard disk drive for document-save. I made a naked version following Martin's suggestion.[2] Luya References [1]http://luya.fedorapeople.org/images/echo/devices/ [2]http://luya.fedorapeople.org/images/echo/apps/ -- ??D0 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: document-save48a.png Type: image/png Size: 3009 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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But nevertheless, this icon is quite easy to recognise which is what we aim for in the first place. Please, use flat perspective for the 22x22 and 24x24 icon as well, to keep consistency with the rest of the icons. Also the 16x16 icon is blurry, perhaps need some simplification and better positioning. Oh, and maybe, just a little idea, the gradient might be less intensive (i.e. in the bottom left a little lighter and in the top right a little darker), but as it is now it's also great. And I just noticed it, but the plug is usually on the other side of the hard-disk, so I'd suggest to either mirror the face side vertically or make the right-hand side silver (similar to the top side). Martin -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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It is certainly neither on the tabs, > > > nor in the shell... And I don't see there any other widget, that could > > > have focus... How did you managed to do this? > > > > > > > The focus is on the label of the second tab > > > > Then it cannot be helped IMO. The focus should be on the tab itself. And > when it is, it looks like this [1]. But it never happened to me in other > app than firefox (which however does not use native focus implementation > on tab label) to have tab label instead of tab focused. A tab isn't a widget and not a possible focus location itself. Only the widget inside (usually a label) is. I disagree that it cannot be helped. Compare Clearlooks: http://people.redhat.com/mclasen/clearlooks-tabs.png > Just a side question, is your screen-shot from F9 or F8? I didn't tested > the new Nodoka on F9 yet, so if there is some different implementation > in gtk2 it could have slipped my attention. It is rawhide, but there is no difference between GTK+ in F8 and rawhide at this point. From martin.sourada at gmail.com Wed Jan 9 14:26:26 2008 From: martin.sourada at gmail.com (Martin Sourada) Date: Wed, 09 Jan 2008 15:26:26 +0100 Subject: Focus issues in new Nodoka In-Reply-To: <1199850550.25386.11.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1199805974.30082.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1199812695.18640.15.camel@pc-notebook.kolej.mff.cuni.cz> <1199814349.30082.16.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1199819745.18640.23.camel@pc-notebook.kolej.mff.cuni.cz> <1199850550.25386.11.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1199888787.15892.8.camel@pc-notebook.kolej.mff.cuni.cz> On Tue, 2008-01-08 at 22:49 -0500, Matthias Clasen wrote: > A tab isn't a widget and not a possible focus location itself. Only the > widget inside (usually a label) is. > Well, it's actually the notebook widget that is usually focused (my bad)... I guess I could workaround it, so that if label instead of notebook is the focused widget I would use a fallback theming (like for GtkExpander). > I disagree that it cannot be helped. Compare Clearlooks: > http://people.redhat.com/mclasen/clearlooks-tabs.png > Yep, I installed the rawhide gtk2-engines to compare and I don't like this styling used for tabs (in this case rather it's label's focus). > > Just a side question, is your screen-shot from F9 or F8? I didn't tested > > the new Nodoka on F9 yet, so if there is some different implementation > > in gtk2 it could have slipped my attention. > > It is rawhide, but there is no difference between GTK+ in F8 and rawhide > at this point. > Than I don't see why it does not work for you and works for me. Martin -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Only the > > widget inside (usually a label) is. > > > Well, it's actually the notebook widget that is usually focused (my > bad)... I guess I could workaround it, so that if label instead of > notebook is the focused widget I would use a fallback theming (like for > GtkExpander). > Seems it won't be that easy. I made less restrictions as for what widgets a fallback focus ring is used, so that none of the widgets that could have focus cannot slip through without drawing it. But I am still not able to replicate a case when the focus ring is drawn around tab label, but not for the tab itself :( It seems there really are some changes in rawhide... It seems like in F8 draw_focus is not invoked on labels at all, even if their can_focus property is set to true... In fact it is the tab focus that is being draw here, for the notebook widget... -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From valent.turkovic at gmail.com Wed Jan 9 16:13:03 2008 From: valent.turkovic at gmail.com (Valent Turkovic) Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2008 17:13:03 +0100 Subject: A pretty please (regrading Fedora 9 theme) In-Reply-To: <477AC4E0.7080009@redhat.com> References: <64b14b300712301451k53c74dbek5684d5c885369257@mail.gmail.com> <64b14b300712301509v75bfd78dnde4123125598ef60@mail.gmail.com> <477985FD.5060503@redhat.com> <64b14b300801011436v6f75d61fr694cde4801e14526@mail.gmail.com> <477AC4E0.7080009@redhat.com> Message-ID: <64b14b300801090813q1b3fae0bn76b2d6c49bf49d28@mail.gmail.com> On 1/1/08, M?ir?n Duffy wrote: > Valent Turkovic wrote: > > Did you listen to Linux Action Show podcast review in the link that is > > provided? They also mention icons and few other issues, but best > > listen to it if you can. > > Sorry, I didn't, I don't have much time these days. A summary of actual > issues brought up would be helpful. > I was away a few days... so the late reply. Mairin please take the time and listen to the podcast, they have really gone into details and especially you as the leader of artwork team should listen to it. If you have flash you can hear it here: http://kernelreloaded.blog385.com/index.php/archives/fedora-8-audio-review/ if you want to listen to if offline here you go: http://www.archive.org/download/Fedora8ReviewlinuxActionShowEp067/Linuxactionshowep067-Fedora8Review.ogg http://www.archive.org/download/Fedora8ReviewlinuxActionShowEp067/Linuxactionshowep067-Fedora8Review_64kb.mp3 Thank you, Valent. -- http://kernelreloaded.blog385.com/ linux, blog, anime, spirituality, windsurf, wireless registered as user #367004 with the Linux Counter, http://counter.li.org. ICQ: 2125241, Skype: valent.turkovic From valent.turkovic at gmail.com Wed Jan 9 16:18:20 2008 From: valent.turkovic at gmail.com (Valent Turkovic) Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2008 17:18:20 +0100 Subject: A pretty please (regrading Fedora 9 theme) In-Reply-To: <477C3B96.3090505@home.se> References: <64b14b300712301451k53c74dbek5684d5c885369257@mail.gmail.com> <64b14b300712301509v75bfd78dnde4123125598ef60@mail.gmail.com> <477985FD.5060503@redhat.com> <64b14b300801011436v6f75d61fr694cde4801e14526@mail.gmail.com> <477C3B96.3090505@home.se> Message-ID: <64b14b300801090818m6677d979n85a369e4450fdc02@mail.gmail.com> On 1/3/08, Andreas Nilsson wrote: > Valent Turkovic wrote: > > On 1/1/08, M?ir?n Duffy wrote: > > > >> Valent Turkovic wrote: > >> > >>> Here are one audio review which also says artwork for Fedora 8 is lacking: > >>> http://kernelreloaded.blog385.com/index.php/archives/fedora-8-audio-review/ > >>> > >>> and one random forum comment: > >>> "Artwork quite poor compared to version 7." > >>> http://linuxmint.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=43139#p43139 > >>> > >> I could point at a lot more reviews and magazine articles that saw it as > >> an improvement. It's artwork, it's subjective, you can't please everyone > >> and if you do you're probably doing something wrong. For every negative > >> comment I've seen or heard about the F8 theme, I've seen 9 or 10 > >> positive ones. > >> > > > > Did you listen to Linux Action Show podcast review in the link that is > > provided? They also mention icons and few other issues, but best > > listen to it if you can. > > > Hi Valent! > It seems like they were kind of vague on what exactly was wrong with the > icons. I didn't quite understand if they complained the category icons > in the Applications menu or the icons on the top panel. Since they > mentioned Red Hat 9 it might have been the top panel ones (bluecurve), > but I can't say for sure. Bugs should probably be filed on that. To me it looks obvious as soon as you click gnome Applications menu. Accessories, Education, Games... etc icons really look old school, but not cool old skool :) > Reviews are just reviews. I've seen a lot of positive ones about Fedora > 8 as well. > - Andreas > Have you heard latest Linux Action Show (LAS)? I really agree with them, not because I'm mindless LAS gnome but because they totally resonate with my own opinion. Please listen to it. It comes down to mediocre - design wise, but only on some element because some parts are great but some are just not - and that makes the difference even more obvious. Fedora is a great distro and has really cutting edge technology and we feel a bit disappointed when design doesn't follow that as it did with FC6 and F7 IMHO. Valent. -- http://kernelreloaded.blog385.com/ linux, blog, anime, spirituality, windsurf, wireless registered as user #367004 with the Linux Counter, http://counter.li.org. ICQ: 2125241, Skype: valent.turkovic From duffy at redhat.com Wed Jan 9 16:16:41 2008 From: duffy at redhat.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?M=E1ir=EDn_Duffy?=) Date: Wed, 09 Jan 2008 11:16:41 -0500 Subject: A pretty please (regrading Fedora 9 theme) In-Reply-To: <64b14b300801090818m6677d979n85a369e4450fdc02@mail.gmail.com> References: <64b14b300712301451k53c74dbek5684d5c885369257@mail.gmail.com> <64b14b300712301509v75bfd78dnde4123125598ef60@mail.gmail.com> <477985FD.5060503@redhat.com> <64b14b300801011436v6f75d61fr694cde4801e14526@mail.gmail.com> <477C3B96.3090505@home.se> <64b14b300801090818m6677d979n85a369e4450fdc02@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4784F369.6000901@redhat.com> Valent Turkovic wrote: > On 1/3/08, Andreas Nilsson wrote: >> Hi Valent! >> It seems like they were kind of vague on what exactly was wrong with the >> icons. I didn't quite understand if they complained the category icons >> in the Applications menu or the icons on the top panel. Since they >> mentioned Red Hat 9 it might have been the top panel ones (bluecurve), >> but I can't say for sure. Bugs should probably be filed on that. > > To me it looks obvious as soon as you click gnome Applications menu. > Accessories, Education, Games... etc icons really look old school, but > not cool old skool :) What are you talking about? The gnome upstream default icon theme which is what F8 is using is a contemporary looking theme using the Tango guidelines. ~m From duffy at redhat.com Wed Jan 9 16:25:19 2008 From: duffy at redhat.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?M=E1ir=EDn_Duffy?=) Date: Wed, 09 Jan 2008 11:25:19 -0500 Subject: A pretty please (regrading Fedora 9 theme) In-Reply-To: <64b14b300801090813q1b3fae0bn76b2d6c49bf49d28@mail.gmail.com> References: <64b14b300712301451k53c74dbek5684d5c885369257@mail.gmail.com> <64b14b300712301509v75bfd78dnde4123125598ef60@mail.gmail.com> <477985FD.5060503@redhat.com> <64b14b300801011436v6f75d61fr694cde4801e14526@mail.gmail.com> <477AC4E0.7080009@redhat.com> <64b14b300801090813q1b3fae0bn76b2d6c49bf49d28@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4784F56F.3070005@redhat.com> Valent Turkovic wrote: > Mairin please take the time and listen to the podcast, they have > really gone into details and especially you as the leader of artwork > team should listen to it. > If you have flash you can hear it here: > http://kernelreloaded.blog385.com/index.php/archives/fedora-8-audio-review/ > if you want to listen to if offline here you go: > http://www.archive.org/download/Fedora8ReviewlinuxActionShowEp067/Linuxactionshowep067-Fedora8Review.ogg > http://www.archive.org/download/Fedora8ReviewlinuxActionShowEp067/Linuxactionshowep067-Fedora8Review_64kb.mp3 Fromt he podcast: "I hate hate hate - I am going to underline the word hate, capitalize it, and put little HTML bold tag. I don't have anything else to say about it.... the... it lokos like someone took at loko at windows 200 and thought hmm this is nice but i like the way that windows xp is also ugly, so im going to combine the ugliest features of both (laughter in background) and I'm going to paint it with a blue brush, but I am going to choose the ugliest sky blue color I can find. And that is what it looks like to me. It drives me crazy. Because it's not a huge departure from what we had, but they managed to modify it in slight ways that took something that i thought was good looking and made it so bad I thought it was horrible." Thank you SO MUCH Valent. The feedback from this podcast is SO HELPFUL. Not only that, but it really confirms to me that the 100+ hours of my PERSONAL time (time I could have spent with my family or friends) that I put into it was REALLY WORTH IT. Thank you so much Valent for bringing this to my attention, I am now so motivated to put EVEN MORE TIME into Fedora 9, because I now see how much my and this teams efforts are APPRECIATED. Thank you Valent, thank you so much for INSISTING that I listen to this podcast. ~m From inode0 at gmail.com Wed Jan 9 16:36:38 2008 From: inode0 at gmail.com (inode0) Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2008 10:36:38 -0600 Subject: A pretty please (regrading Fedora 9 theme) In-Reply-To: <64b14b300801090813q1b3fae0bn76b2d6c49bf49d28@mail.gmail.com> References: <64b14b300712301451k53c74dbek5684d5c885369257@mail.gmail.com> <64b14b300712301509v75bfd78dnde4123125598ef60@mail.gmail.com> <477985FD.5060503@redhat.com> <64b14b300801011436v6f75d61fr694cde4801e14526@mail.gmail.com> <477AC4E0.7080009@redhat.com> <64b14b300801090813q1b3fae0bn76b2d6c49bf49d28@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Jan 9, 2008 10:13 AM, Valent Turkovic wrote: > On 1/1/08, M?ir?n Duffy wrote: > > Valent Turkovic wrote: > > > Did you listen to Linux Action Show podcast review in the link that is > > > provided? They also mention icons and few other issues, but best > > > listen to it if you can. > > > > Sorry, I didn't, I don't have much time these days. A summary of actual > > issues brought up would be helpful. > > > > I was away a few days... so the late reply. > > Mairin please take the time and listen to the podcast, they have > really gone into details and especially you as the leader of artwork > team should listen to it. I would recommend not listening to it as hearing two people laugh hysterically for 5 minutes because they don't like how it looks isn't really anything but hurtful. These are the people who when reporting on Matthew Szulik stepping down thought it was worth airtime to laugh about his name since they didn't know how to pronounce it and made the remarkably offensive comment "When the going gets rough, the tough make up some lame excuse about family health ? MAN I sure hope it was just an excuse, otherwise I sound like a huge jerk. SORRY." If they had any points of substance those have been made elsewhere and I'm sure everyone is aware of them by now. John From michael.d.beckwith at gmail.com Wed Jan 9 16:42:08 2008 From: michael.d.beckwith at gmail.com (Michael Beckwith) Date: Wed, 09 Jan 2008 10:42:08 -0600 Subject: A pretty please (regrading Fedora 9 theme) In-Reply-To: <64b14b300801090818m6677d979n85a369e4450fdc02@mail.gmail.com> References: <64b14b300712301451k53c74dbek5684d5c885369257@mail.gmail.com> <64b14b300712301509v75bfd78dnde4123125598ef60@mail.gmail.com> <477985FD.5060503@redhat.com> <64b14b300801011436v6f75d61fr694cde4801e14526@mail.gmail.com> <477C3B96.3090505@home.se> <64b14b300801090818m6677d979n85a369e4450fdc02@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4784F960.3050702@gmail.com> Valent Turkovic wrote: > > >> Reviews are just reviews. I've seen a lot of positive ones about Fedora >> 8 as well. >> - Andreas >> >> > > Have you heard latest Linux Action Show (LAS)? I really agree with > them, not because I'm mindless LAS gnome but because they totally > resonate with my own opinion. > Please listen to it. > > It comes down to mediocre - design wise, but only on some element > because some parts are great but some are just not - and that makes > the difference even more obvious. Fedora is a great distro and has > really cutting edge technology and we feel a bit disappointed when > design doesn't follow that as it did with FC6 and F7 IMHO. > > Valent. > I have listened to that podcast since at least this past summer, and enjoy it, but the fact remains is that they are still just 2 reviewers with negative thoughts swimming in a lot of reviews of positive. However, I will agree with you Valent about one thing, and that is the default gnome-icons in the menu. They do look retro in not the best ways, and I hope that F9 can change the fact. It's something we can all work towards changing soon. We have the time, but not necessarily the manpower all the time. Lots to do for each release and it seems like only a handful of people do often. The art team tends to be small in terms of active workers, from my perspective, which is a shame. -- ~Michael http://ridleytx.structed.net (for now) http://michaelbox.net (eventually) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From valent.turkovic at gmail.com Wed Jan 9 16:42:55 2008 From: valent.turkovic at gmail.com (Valent Turkovic) Date: Wed, 09 Jan 2008 17:42:55 +0100 Subject: A Thought About F9 Artwork In-Reply-To: <1199213133.4762.9.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1199213133.4762.9.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <4784F98F.9050303@gmail.com> John Baer wrote: > All, > > IMO the F8 artwork presents Fedora very favorably and it seems a waste > not to leverage this success in F9. > > Does it make sense to change the theme every other release cycle and use > the off cycle to improve or tweak the current theme? > What do you actually mean when you say "theme" ? > Presenting the same question a differ way. > > Would Fedora users be disappointed if the F9 came with an improved F8 > theme (ie. same theme, new wallpaper)? > Bring back FC6 wallpaper if you are recycling :) Valent. From valent.turkovic at gmail.com Wed Jan 9 16:49:34 2008 From: valent.turkovic at gmail.com (Valent Turkovic) Date: Wed, 09 Jan 2008 17:49:34 +0100 Subject: A Thought About F9 Artwork In-Reply-To: <477A9D2F.7050407@silverorange.com> References: <1199213133.4762.9.camel@localhost.localdomain> <477A9D2F.7050407@silverorange.com> Message-ID: <4784FB1E.4080509@gmail.com> Steven Garrity wrote: > John Baer wrote: >> Does it make sense to change the theme every other release cycle and >> use the off cycle to improve or tweak the current theme? > > This is a good point - it would be nice to see a somewhat common theme > getting more and more polished with each release. More of an evolution > than a complete redesign each time. That said, the last few themes have > been a bit like this. > > Things that are easier to change, like the splash screens and wallpaper > can change more frequently and dramatically. Things that are more > challenging to redesign well, like Gtk and Metacity themes evolve more > slowly. Please look these two screenshots: http://bayimg.com/MAIAIaaBL http://bayimg.com/MAiagaABL One is FC6 and other is F8. Can you make the difference. The differences are subtle, too subtle and too bland IMHO. I would love to see Fedora 9 get the gtk theme it deserves. So slowing down design really sound bad to me. Valent. From valent.turkovic at gmail.com Wed Jan 9 16:55:41 2008 From: valent.turkovic at gmail.com (Valent Turkovic) Date: Wed, 09 Jan 2008 17:55:41 +0100 Subject: A Thought About F9 Artwork In-Reply-To: <477A9D2F.7050407@silverorange.com> References: <1199213133.4762.9.camel@localhost.localdomain> <477A9D2F.7050407@silverorange.com> Message-ID: <4784FC8D.2000209@gmail.com> Steven Garrity wrote: > John Baer wrote: >> Does it make sense to change the theme every other release cycle and >> use the off cycle to improve or tweak the current theme? > > This is a good point - it would be nice to see a somewhat common theme > getting more and more polished with each release. More of an evolution > than a complete redesign each time. That said, the last few themes have > been a bit like this. > > Things that are easier to change, like the splash screens and wallpaper > can change more frequently and dramatically. Things that are more > challenging to redesign well, like Gtk and Metacity themes evolve more > slowly. > > This reminds me of the 6 layers of buildings from Stewart Brand's > classic book, How Buildings Learn: > http://www.peterme.com/archives/00000323.html > > I would like to see a general visual theme for Fedora that can slowly > evolve and improve with each release, but still have enough wiggle-room > for each release to feel new and exciting. > > I proposed a seasonal Spring/Fall theme set to coincide with the > time-based release schedule of Fedora back in November. I've been trying > to create a page for it on the wiki, but I'm having trouble getting my > account created (probably my own fault). > > Quoting myself: >> As the Fedora release schedule is now about as reliable as the coming >> of spring and fall, it occurred to me that spring and fall might >> serve as appropriate visual themes for alternating releases. >> >> Both "spring" and "fall" (aka autumn) are nice natural visual >> metaphors that have recognizable and (potentially) beautiful color >> schemes associated with them. They are also both "natural" themes, >> which can work well for desktop themes. >> >> Perhaps we could adopt a "spring" visual theme for the odd-numbered >> releases that fall in the spring, and a "fall" visual theme for the >> even-numbered releases that fall in the, well, fall. >> >> This would also provide a way to have a strong visual change between >> releases, but still build on a larger theme that could grow more >> refined over multiple releases. > https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-art-list/2007-November/msg00099.html > > > A theme like this would allow a common thread for all Fedora release > visuals, but also a nice back-and-forth change for each release. > This sounds like a great idea. Can Fedora change colour palette? Sorry for my lack of knowledge if RedHat or Fedora board have forbidden using other colors but blue-gray and the palette around those colors. From duffy at redhat.com Wed Jan 9 16:52:13 2008 From: duffy at redhat.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?M=E1ir=EDn_Duffy?=) Date: Wed, 09 Jan 2008 11:52:13 -0500 Subject: A Thought About F9 Artwork In-Reply-To: <4784FC8D.2000209@gmail.com> References: <1199213133.4762.9.camel@localhost.localdomain> <477A9D2F.7050407@silverorange.com> <4784FC8D.2000209@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4784FBBD.70901@redhat.com> Valent Turkovic wrote: > This sounds like a great idea. Can Fedora change colour palette? Sorry > for my lack of knowledge if RedHat or Fedora board have forbidden using > other colors but blue-gray and the palette around those colors. Whenever we attempt to use any color other than blue there is a huge outcry. Look at some of the feedback we got on the purple=>blue gradients in the early mockups for the infinity theme. ~m From valent.turkovic at gmail.com Wed Jan 9 16:59:13 2008 From: valent.turkovic at gmail.com (Valent Turkovic) Date: Wed, 09 Jan 2008 17:59:13 +0100 Subject: A Thought About F9 Artwork In-Reply-To: <477AC333.80802@redhat.com> References: <1199213133.4762.9.camel@localhost.localdomain> <477A9D2F.7050407@silverorange.com> <200801020130.34708.ljuwaida@fedoraproject.org> <477AC333.80802@redhat.com> Message-ID: <4784FD61.6000602@gmail.com> M?ir?n Duffy wrote: > Laith Juwaidah wrote: > >>>> Perhaps we could adopt a "spring" visual theme for the odd-numbered >>>> releases that fall in the spring, and a "fall" visual theme for the >>>> even-numbered releases that fall in the, well, fall. >>>> >> Could it also be that the colors match the season (green for spring releases >> and yellow/orange for fall ones?)? >> > > Whenever we try anything that is !blue, we get a whole lot of negative > feedback. People like to look at the colors far more symbolically than > they should I think. > > ~m > I don't like opensuse in particular but they have made a break from blue in latest release - now its green, and it looks great! I would love to see Fedora !blue for at least one release - it would be refreshing. From martin.sourada at gmail.com Wed Jan 9 17:01:56 2008 From: martin.sourada at gmail.com (Martin Sourada) Date: Wed, 09 Jan 2008 18:01:56 +0100 Subject: A Thought About F9 Artwork In-Reply-To: <4784FB1E.4080509@gmail.com> References: <1199213133.4762.9.camel@localhost.localdomain> <477A9D2F.7050407@silverorange.com> <4784FB1E.4080509@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1199898116.15892.25.camel@pc-notebook.kolej.mff.cuni.cz> On Wed, 2008-01-09 at 17:49 +0100, Valent Turkovic wrote: > Steven Garrity wrote: > Please look these two screenshots: > http://bayimg.com/MAIAIaaBL > http://bayimg.com/MAiagaABL > > One is FC6 and other is F8. > > Can you make the difference. The differences are subtle, too subtle and > too bland IMHO. I would love to see Fedora 9 get the gtk theme it deserves. > > So slowing down design really sound bad to me. > > Valent. > I saw these two quite long quite a long ago and you were told, that the difference is obvious, though subtle. As for the Fedora 9 gtk theme. So far this [1] seems what will be in Fedora 9, although there is still room for improvement. But why don't you come up with something awesome yourself? We are all doing our best while you seem to just rant about how things would be better. Thanks, Martin References: [1] https://fedorahosted.org/nodoka/wiki/Screenshots -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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What about making it a little more thin like the > gnome icon? But nevertheless, this icon is quite easy to recognise which > is what we aim for in the first place. Please, use flat perspective for > the 22x22 and 24x24 icon as well, to keep consistency with the rest of > the icons. Also the 16x16 icon is blurry, perhaps need some > simplification and better positioning. > > Oh, and maybe, just a little idea, the gradient might be less intensive > (i.e. in the bottom left a little lighter and in the top right a little > darker), but as it is now it's also great. > > And I just noticed it, but the plug is usually on the other side of the > hard-disk, so I'd suggest to either mirror the face side vertically or > make the right-hand side silver (similar to the top side). > > Martin > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list > > > -- Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek http://liviopl.jogger.pl/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jakub.rusinek at gmail.com Wed Jan 9 17:05:06 2008 From: jakub.rusinek at gmail.com (Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek) Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2008 18:05:06 +0100 Subject: [Echo] Some updates. In-Reply-To: <47840BB8.8090303@thefinalzone.com> References: <47829C0E.5080907@thefinalzone.com> <6e24a8e80801081047u75a02f10ob970895efdd61cfa@mail.gmail.com> <47840BB8.8090303@thefinalzone.com> Message-ID: <5e92ee3f0801090905w6857fa7ah5516cd6557ed9524@mail.gmail.com> Hmmm. The blue arrows looks strange. 2008/1/9, Luya Tshimbalanga : > > Mark a ?crit : > > 2008/1/7, Luya Tshimbalanga : > > Camera set icon got more modifications. The inline is more lighter to > allow a better transition between value to produce a more volumetric > shape[1]. > > Document-save got revisited to address the issue about the use of floppy > disk. It now uses the hard disk drive based from drive-harddisk icon.[2] > Document-save-as got the same treatment but smaller icons are not done yet. > > More new and modified icons to come soon. > > > Luya > > Hey, > > i like the new camera icon more than the previous one but this time > with the critic that it could use some more contrast. The shape is > fine! just play a bit with some colors. > > Updated version available[1] > http://luya.fedorapeople.org/images/echo/devices/ > > And for document-save.. if i see that icon in a application i would > have never guessed that it stands for saving a document. That icon on > it's own looks fine but just not for document-save. Perhaps it's > better to use a floppy for the saving icon? > > Floppy disk has been replaced by hard disk drive for document-save. I > made a naked version following Martin's suggestion.[2] > > Luya > > References > > [1]http://luya.fedorapeople.org/images/echo/devices/ > [2]http://luya.fedorapeople.org/images/echo/apps/ > > > -- > ? ? D0 > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list > > > -- Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek http://liviopl.jogger.pl/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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People like to look at the colors far more symbolically than > > they should I think. > > > > ~m > > > > I don't like opensuse in particular but they have made a break from blue > in latest release - now its green, and it looks great! I would love to > see Fedora !blue for at least one release - it would be refreshing. > And confusing. Everyone in the linux world has Fedora associated with blue colour. If we changed that there would surely be much more people complaining than accepting the change. I believe everyone had opensuse asociated with green already, so if they had blue themes before, it was only a logical step to make it green, IMO. Martin -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From jakub.rusinek at gmail.com Wed Jan 9 17:07:33 2008 From: jakub.rusinek at gmail.com (Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek) Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2008 18:07:33 +0100 Subject: A Thought About F9 Artwork In-Reply-To: <1199898116.15892.25.camel@pc-notebook.kolej.mff.cuni.cz> References: <1199213133.4762.9.camel@localhost.localdomain> <477A9D2F.7050407@silverorange.com> <4784FB1E.4080509@gmail.com> <1199898116.15892.25.camel@pc-notebook.kolej.mff.cuni.cz> Message-ID: <5e92ee3f0801090907s2fb0579dkf55a0b396e743e6f@mail.gmail.com> Exactly. Fedora should make some revolution, as it's one the most modern distros (openSUSE provides nice GUI improvements, but below GUI, they really suck). openSUSE shows nice artwork progress - every version has new nice art, exactly like Fedora does. We made big improvment from FC5 until F8. We can't waste our current opinion (about art). 2008/1/9, Martin Sourada : > > On Wed, 2008-01-09 at 17:49 +0100, Valent Turkovic wrote: > > Steven Garrity wrote: > > Please look these two screenshots: > > http://bayimg.com/MAIAIaaBL > > http://bayimg.com/MAiagaABL > > > > One is FC6 and other is F8. > > > > Can you make the difference. The differences are subtle, too subtle and > > too bland IMHO. I would love to see Fedora 9 get the gtk theme it > deserves. > > > > So slowing down design really sound bad to me. > > > > Valent. > > > I saw these two quite long quite a long ago and you were told, that the > difference is obvious, though subtle. > > As for the Fedora 9 gtk theme. So far this [1] seems what will be in > Fedora 9, although there is still room for improvement. But why don't > you come up with something awesome yourself? We are all doing our best > while you seem to just rant about how things would be better. > > Thanks, > Martin > > References: > [1] https://fedorahosted.org/nodoka/wiki/Screenshots > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list > > > -- Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek http://liviopl.jogger.pl/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jakub.rusinek at gmail.com Wed Jan 9 17:09:33 2008 From: jakub.rusinek at gmail.com (Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek) Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2008 18:09:33 +0100 Subject: A Thought About F9 Artwork In-Reply-To: <1199898390.15892.30.camel@pc-notebook.kolej.mff.cuni.cz> References: <1199213133.4762.9.camel@localhost.localdomain> <477A9D2F.7050407@silverorange.com> <200801020130.34708.ljuwaida@fedoraproject.org> <477AC333.80802@redhat.com> <4784FD61.6000602@gmail.com> <1199898390.15892.30.camel@pc-notebook.kolej.mff.cuni.cz> Message-ID: <5e92ee3f0801090909gffba0f4taa48ed094a1f9930@mail.gmail.com> Fedora shouldn't change main color! It should only push some freshness and live to the Linux desktop. 2008/1/9, Martin Sourada : > > > On Wed, 2008-01-09 at 17:59 +0100, Valent Turkovic wrote: > > M?ir?n Duffy wrote: > > > Laith Juwaidah wrote: > > > > > >>>> Perhaps we could adopt a "spring" visual theme for the odd-numbered > > >>>> releases that fall in the spring, and a "fall" visual theme for the > > >>>> even-numbered releases that fall in the, well, fall. > > >>>> > > >> Could it also be that the colors match the season (green for spring > releases > > >> and yellow/orange for fall ones?)? > > >> > > > > > > Whenever we try anything that is !blue, we get a whole lot of negative > > > feedback. People like to look at the colors far more symbolically than > > > they should I think. > > > > > > ~m > > > > > > > I don't like opensuse in particular but they have made a break from blue > > in latest release - now its green, and it looks great! I would love to > > see Fedora !blue for at least one release - it would be refreshing. > > > And confusing. Everyone in the linux world has Fedora associated with > blue colour. If we changed that there would surely be much more people > complaining than accepting the change. I believe everyone had opensuse > asociated with green already, so if they had blue themes before, it was > only a logical step to make it green, IMO. > > Martin > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list > > > -- Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek http://liviopl.jogger.pl/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From martin.sourada at gmail.com Wed Jan 9 17:10:24 2008 From: martin.sourada at gmail.com (Martin Sourada) Date: Wed, 09 Jan 2008 18:10:24 +0100 Subject: [Echo] updates on document-save(-as) icon set In-Reply-To: <5e92ee3f0801090904h2d2a5436ia4b8848be8db8a33@mail.gmail.com> References: <47829C0E.5080907@thefinalzone.com> <1199805027.18640.9.camel@pc-notebook.kolej.mff.cuni.cz> <4783FA5E.4070809@thefinalzone.com> <1199839112.18640.35.camel@pc-notebook.kolej.mff.cuni.cz> <5e92ee3f0801090904h2d2a5436ia4b8848be8db8a33@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1199898624.15892.33.camel@pc-notebook.kolej.mff.cuni.cz> On Wed, 2008-01-09 at 18:04 +0100, Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek wrote: > But why the HDD doesn't lay :> ? > I suppose you meant 'lie'? If so than because it's an action icon and it would look really strange among other action icons if it were lying. Martin -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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It should only push some freshness > and live to the Linux desktop. > [snip] That's why we have every release new wallpaper and why there is the three round battle. To the first round even non-artists can propose their ideas. If the idea will be good, surely one of the more skilled ones pick up the idea and makes a great theme around it... PS: Jakub, please don't top post, it's hard to follow. Martin -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I just used quick reply in Gmail. 2008/1/9, Martin Sourada : > > > On Wed, 2008-01-09 at 18:09 +0100, Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek wrote: > > Fedora shouldn't change main color! It should only push some freshness > > and live to the Linux desktop. > > > [snip] > > That's why we have every release new wallpaper and why there is the > three round battle. To the first round even non-artists can propose > their ideas. If the idea will be good, surely one of the more skilled > ones pick up the idea and makes a great theme around it... > > PS: Jakub, please don't top post, it's hard to follow. > > Martin > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list > > > -- Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek http://liviopl.jogger.pl/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From valent.turkovic at gmail.com Wed Jan 9 17:22:17 2008 From: valent.turkovic at gmail.com (Valent Turkovic) Date: Wed, 09 Jan 2008 18:22:17 +0100 Subject: A Thought About F9 Artwork In-Reply-To: <1199898116.15892.25.camel@pc-notebook.kolej.mff.cuni.cz> References: <1199213133.4762.9.camel@localhost.localdomain> <477A9D2F.7050407@silverorange.com> <4784FB1E.4080509@gmail.com> <1199898116.15892.25.camel@pc-notebook.kolej.mff.cuni.cz> Message-ID: <478502C9.8070509@gmail.com> Martin Sourada wrote: > On Wed, 2008-01-09 at 17:49 +0100, Valent Turkovic wrote: > >> Steven Garrity wrote: >> Please look these two screenshots: >> http://bayimg.com/MAIAIaaBL >> http://bayimg.com/MAiagaABL >> >> One is FC6 and other is F8. >> >> Can you make the difference. The differences are subtle, too subtle and >> too bland IMHO. I would love to see Fedora 9 get the gtk theme it deserves. >> >> So slowing down design really sound bad to me. >> >> Valent. >> >> > I saw these two quite long quite a long ago and you were told, that the > difference is obvious, though subtle. > > As for the Fedora 9 gtk theme. So far this [1] seems what will be in > Fedora 9, although there is still room for improvement. But why don't > you come up with something awesome yourself? We are all doing our best > while you seem to just rant about how things would be better. > Because I have no actual creative talent but as I said in my email I have an critic eye and I have been volunteering as a critic for my friends and family for over 15 years - they are photographers, designers, 3d modelers and artists and I'm really respected for my constructive criticism. I can't create a new gtk theme but I can say to you if one sucks or or if it rocks. You can look for yourself for some ideas: http://browse.deviantart.com/customization/skins/linuxutil/gnome/gtk2/?order=9&alltime=yes http://www.gnome-look.org/index.php?xsortmode=down&page=0&xcontentmode=100 There are lots of great themes and designs. I don't work for fedora ArtTeam but I'm a long time fedora desktop user and I would love to see some improvements in how fedora looks. I know that lot of people work hard and I really appreciate it, and I have seen what great designs they have done (except F8 IMHO). If you look at other other desktops - they are moving forward (look at OSX, Vista and some of other linux distros) and I as Fedora user feel stuck in design past :) I know that lot of things you can't change because Gnome is responsible for that. Nobody has touched gnome panels design wise since FC1, maybe I'm overstating it but it looks like that to me. New theme isn't needed just in present one do something with gnome panels. Why are gnome panels so plain? So what can I do except to rant? Do you have some idea how else I can contribute? Because this is the best I can do (ps. I also contribute in reporting all the bugs I find to bugzilla). Valent. From jakub.rusinek at gmail.com Wed Jan 9 17:24:07 2008 From: jakub.rusinek at gmail.com (Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek) Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2008 18:24:07 +0100 Subject: [Echo] updates on document-save(-as) icon set In-Reply-To: <1199898624.15892.33.camel@pc-notebook.kolej.mff.cuni.cz> References: <47829C0E.5080907@thefinalzone.com> <1199805027.18640.9.camel@pc-notebook.kolej.mff.cuni.cz> <4783FA5E.4070809@thefinalzone.com> <1199839112.18640.35.camel@pc-notebook.kolej.mff.cuni.cz> <5e92ee3f0801090904h2d2a5436ia4b8848be8db8a33@mail.gmail.com> <1199898624.15892.33.camel@pc-notebook.kolej.mff.cuni.cz> Message-ID: <5e92ee3f0801090924q5b9499ffycdc68188e3f6d0b5@mail.gmail.com> But the HDD in all other themes is in horizontal position. Echo will stay off. 2008/1/9, Martin Sourada : > > > On Wed, 2008-01-09 at 18:04 +0100, Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek wrote: > > But why the HDD doesn't lay :> ? > > > > I suppose you meant 'lie'? If so than because it's an action icon > and it would look really strange among other action icons if it > were lying. > > Martin > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list > > > -- Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek http://liviopl.jogger.pl/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ljuwaida at fedoraproject.org Wed Jan 9 17:24:18 2008 From: ljuwaida at fedoraproject.org (Laith Juwaidah) Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2008 21:24:18 +0400 Subject: A Thought About F9 Artwork In-Reply-To: <1199898116.15892.25.camel@pc-notebook.kolej.mff.cuni.cz> References: <1199213133.4762.9.camel@localhost.localdomain> <4784FB1E.4080509@gmail.com> <1199898116.15892.25.camel@pc-notebook.kolej.mff.cuni.cz> Message-ID: <200801092124.21647.ljuwaida@fedoraproject.org> On Wednesday 09 January 2008 21:01:56 Martin Sourada wrote: > On Wed, 2008-01-09 at 17:49 +0100, Valent Turkovic wrote: > > Steven Garrity wrote: > > Please look these two screenshots: > > http://bayimg.com/MAIAIaaBL > > http://bayimg.com/MAiagaABL > > > > One is FC6 and other is F8. > > > > Can you make the difference. The differences are subtle, too subtle and > > too bland IMHO. I would love to see Fedora 9 get the gtk theme it > > deserves. > > > > So slowing down design really sound bad to me. > > > > Valent. > > I saw these two quite long quite a long ago and you were told, that the > difference is obvious, though subtle. > > As for the Fedora 9 gtk theme. So far this [1] seems what will be in > Fedora 9, although there is still room for improvement. But why don't > you come up with something awesome yourself? We are all doing our best > while you seem to just rant about how things would be better. Cool, I like what we have now, I think that a rounded aqua would be awesome :) > > Thanks, > Martin > > References: > [1] https://fedorahosted.org/nodoka/wiki/Screenshots -- Laith Juwaidah http://www.ljuwaidah.org/ From valent.turkovic at gmail.com Wed Jan 9 17:25:40 2008 From: valent.turkovic at gmail.com (Valent Turkovic) Date: Wed, 09 Jan 2008 18:25:40 +0100 Subject: A Thought About F9 Artwork In-Reply-To: <5e92ee3f0801090909gffba0f4taa48ed094a1f9930@mail.gmail.com> References: <1199213133.4762.9.camel@localhost.localdomain> <477A9D2F.7050407@silverorange.com> <200801020130.34708.ljuwaida@fedoraproject.org> <477AC333.80802@redhat.com> <4784FD61.6000602@gmail.com> <1199898390.15892.30.camel@pc-notebook.kolej.mff.cuni.cz> <5e92ee3f0801090909gffba0f4taa48ed094a1f9930@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <47850394.2060606@gmail.com> Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek wrote: > Fedora shouldn't change main color! It should only push some freshness > and live to the Linux desktop. But fresh is a new colour :) Come on you burned blue colour from all your monitors that if one more blue theme comes out it will look washed ot because the blue fosfor in monitors is burned out :) From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Wed Jan 9 17:29:30 2008 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Wed, 09 Jan 2008 19:29:30 +0200 Subject: A pretty please (regrading Fedora 9 theme) In-Reply-To: <4784F56F.3070005@redhat.com> References: <64b14b300712301451k53c74dbek5684d5c885369257@mail.gmail.com> <64b14b300712301509v75bfd78dnde4123125598ef60@mail.gmail.com> <477985FD.5060503@redhat.com> <64b14b300801011436v6f75d61fr694cde4801e14526@mail.gmail.com> <477AC4E0.7080009@redhat.com> <64b14b300801090813q1b3fae0bn76b2d6c49bf49d28@mail.gmail.com> <4784F56F.3070005@redhat.com> Message-ID: <4785047A.3020907@nicubunu.ro> M?ir?n Duffy wrote: > Thank you SO MUCH Valent. The feedback from this podcast is SO HELPFUL. > Not only that, but it really confirms to me that the 100+ hours of my > PERSONAL time (time I could have spent with my family or friends) that I > put into it was REALLY WORTH IT. Thank you so much Valent for bringing > this to my attention, I am now so motivated to put EVEN MORE TIME into > Fedora 9, because I now see how much my and this teams efforts are > APPRECIATED. Mo, unfortunately my spoken English is really bad, otherwise I would record a podcast especially for you, saying how awesome the F8 artwork is and how we appreciate your work, don't listen to those guys. -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From martin.sourada at gmail.com Wed Jan 9 17:40:00 2008 From: martin.sourada at gmail.com (Martin Sourada) Date: Wed, 09 Jan 2008 18:40:00 +0100 Subject: A Thought About F9 Artwork In-Reply-To: <5e92ee3f0801090922r7cea7342g4bf48c7725a3b498@mail.gmail.com> References: <1199213133.4762.9.camel@localhost.localdomain> <477A9D2F.7050407@silverorange.com> <200801020130.34708.ljuwaida@fedoraproject.org> <477AC333.80802@redhat.com> <4784FD61.6000602@gmail.com> <1199898390.15892.30.camel@pc-notebook.kolej.mff.cuni.cz> <5e92ee3f0801090909gffba0f4taa48ed094a1f9930@mail.gmail.com> <1199898916.15892.38.camel@pc-notebook.kolej.mff.cuni.cz> <5e92ee3f0801090922r7cea7342g4bf48c7725a3b498@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1199900400.15892.44.camel@pc-notebook.kolej.mff.cuni.cz> On Wed, 2008-01-09 at 18:22 +0100, Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek wrote: > How do I did it? I just used quick reply in Gmail. You write your answer above the quotation. It's much easier to follow if you can read first what you are answering to and after that the answer. Especially on the mail lists it's helpful, so that people don't get easily lost in the thread. http://catb.org/~esr//jargon/html/T/top-post.html Thanks, Martin -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From duffy at redhat.com Wed Jan 9 17:41:44 2008 From: duffy at redhat.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?M=E1ir=EDn_Duffy?=) Date: Wed, 09 Jan 2008 12:41:44 -0500 Subject: A Thought About F9 Artwork In-Reply-To: <4784FD61.6000602@gmail.com> References: <1199213133.4762.9.camel@localhost.localdomain> <477A9D2F.7050407@silverorange.com> <200801020130.34708.ljuwaida@fedoraproject.org> <477AC333.80802@redhat.com> <4784FD61.6000602@gmail.com> Message-ID: <47850758.2090106@redhat.com> Hi Valent, Valent Turkovic wrote: > M?ir?n Duffy wrote: >> Whenever we try anything that is !blue, we get a whole lot of negative >> feedback. People like to look at the colors far more symbolically than >> they should I think. >> >> ~m >> > > I don't like opensuse in particular but they have made a break from blue > in latest release - now its green, and it looks great! I would love to > see Fedora !blue for at least one release - it would be refreshing. Everyone has their own personal tastes and opinions on the artwork. Unfortunately, only a very small percentage of those folks actually contribute to the artwork. If you would like to truly influence the artwork though, you will need to take a more active, participatory role on the art team. This list is, for the most part, for the art team members to coordinate and discuss contributions to the artwork. While we do like hearing feedback from a variety of users, please understand that can cannot please everyone nor should it be expected that we cater to any particular piece of feedback we receive. In the past we have been asked to try colors other than blue and were met with a lot of negative feedback. I do not know if it is worth another try. If you have a particular concept or design that you would like to mock up and share with us that does not use the color blue, I am sure we would all be interested in seeing it, but please do not expect that someone will do it for you just because you mentioned it here. ~m From duffy at redhat.com Wed Jan 9 17:43:03 2008 From: duffy at redhat.com (=?UTF-8?B?TcOhaXLDrW4gRHVmZnk=?=) Date: Wed, 09 Jan 2008 12:43:03 -0500 Subject: A Thought About F9 Artwork In-Reply-To: <5e92ee3f0801090907s2fb0579dkf55a0b396e743e6f@mail.gmail.com> References: <1199213133.4762.9.camel@localhost.localdomain> <477A9D2F.7050407@silverorange.com> <4784FB1E.4080509@gmail.com> <1199898116.15892.25.camel@pc-notebook.kolej.mff.cuni.cz> <5e92ee3f0801090907s2fb0579dkf55a0b396e743e6f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <478507A7.6090109@redhat.com> Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek wrote: > Exactly. Fedora should make some revolution, as it's one the most modern > distros (openSUSE provides nice GUI improvements, but below GUI, they > really suck). > > openSUSE shows nice artwork progress - every version has new nice art, > exactly like Fedora does. > We made big improvment from FC5 until F8. We can't waste our current > opinion (about art). > So now you are on the F8-artwork-sucks bandwagon too? My day is complete. ~m From duffy at redhat.com Wed Jan 9 17:48:07 2008 From: duffy at redhat.com (=?UTF-8?B?TcOhaXLDrW4gRHVmZnk=?=) Date: Wed, 09 Jan 2008 12:48:07 -0500 Subject: A Thought About F9 Artwork In-Reply-To: <478502C9.8070509@gmail.com> References: <1199213133.4762.9.camel@localhost.localdomain> <477A9D2F.7050407@silverorange.com> <4784FB1E.4080509@gmail.com> <1199898116.15892.25.camel@pc-notebook.kolej.mff.cuni.cz> <478502C9.8070509@gmail.com> Message-ID: <478508D7.9060005@redhat.com> Hi Valent, Valent Turkovic wrote: > Martin Sourada wrote: >> But why don't >> you come up with something awesome yourself? We are all doing our best >> while you seem to just rant about how things would be better. >> > Because I have no actual creative talent but as I said in my email I > have an critic eye and I have been volunteering as a critic for my > friends and family for over 15 years - they are photographers, > designers, 3d modelers and artists and I'm really respected for my > constructive criticism. > > I can't create a new gtk theme but I can say to you if one sucks or or > if it rocks. Please excuse my bluntness, but anyone with vision can easily form an opinion about artwork, it's not exactly a unique nor helpful thing. So far your criticism has not been constructive as you subjected me to a podcast with two men laughing about the f8 theme because it was "ugly ugly ugly". "ugly ugly ugly" is NOT constructive feedback. "here even though you dont have much free time, listen to this really mean podcast because it's really useful, even though it's truly just humiliating to you" is NOT constructive feedback. I really don't care that you have had opinions on artwork over 15 years. I have had opinions on artwork my whole life which is longer than that, and I actually create artwork and take an active (not backseat driver) role in helping others with theirs. > So what can I do except to rant? Please stop. It's not helpful. > Do you have some idea how else I can > contribute? Because this is the best I can do (ps. I also contribute in > reporting all the bugs I find to bugzilla). There is a huge list of things you can do to help the art team on the art team wiki. TONS of ideas there. http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork. I insist that you read it. And I promise it won't be a waste of your time nor will it be insulting to you. ~m From jakub.rusinek at gmail.com Wed Jan 9 17:54:18 2008 From: jakub.rusinek at gmail.com (Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek) Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2008 18:54:18 +0100 Subject: A pretty please (regrading Fedora 9 theme) In-Reply-To: <4785047A.3020907@nicubunu.ro> References: <64b14b300712301451k53c74dbek5684d5c885369257@mail.gmail.com> <64b14b300712301509v75bfd78dnde4123125598ef60@mail.gmail.com> <477985FD.5060503@redhat.com> <64b14b300801011436v6f75d61fr694cde4801e14526@mail.gmail.com> <477AC4E0.7080009@redhat.com> <64b14b300801090813q1b3fae0bn76b2d6c49bf49d28@mail.gmail.com> <4784F56F.3070005@redhat.com> <4785047A.3020907@nicubunu.ro> Message-ID: <5e92ee3f0801090954l4633e059h2972d04415fae842@mail.gmail.com> Fedora 8 is great! It's impossible to say anything else than good words about it. Those gradient, curvy lines... Great! I even like the Mist iconset in F8, which I didn't liked half year ago. I wonder if Echo icon set would be polished and look good (I wouldn't say anything about mixing styles *). * Hey, Ubuntu mixes style too. We're not so bad (; . 2008/1/9, Nicu Buculei : > > M?ir?n Duffy wrote: > > Thank you SO MUCH Valent. The feedback from this podcast is SO HELPFUL. > > Not only that, but it really confirms to me that the 100+ hours of my > > PERSONAL time (time I could have spent with my family or friends) that I > > put into it was REALLY WORTH IT. Thank you so much Valent for bringing > > this to my attention, I am now so motivated to put EVEN MORE TIME into > > Fedora 9, because I now see how much my and this teams efforts are > > APPRECIATED. > > Mo, unfortunately my spoken English is really bad, otherwise I would > record a podcast especially for you, saying how awesome the F8 artwork > is and how we appreciate your work, don't listen to those guys. > > -- > nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com > Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ > Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org > my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list > -- Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek http://liviopl.jogger.pl/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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People are already turning folder vertical. > > 2008/1/9, Martin Sourada >: > > > On Wed, 2008-01-09 at 18:04 +0100, Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek wrote: > > But why the HDD doesn't lay :> ? > > > > I suppose you meant 'lie'? If so than because it's an action icon > and it would look really strange among other action icons if it > were lying. > > Martin > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list > > > > > > > -- > Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek > http://liviopl.jogger.pl/ > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list > -- ~Michael http://ridleytx.structed.net (for now) http://michaelbox.net (eventually) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From michael.d.beckwith at gmail.com Wed Jan 9 18:14:12 2008 From: michael.d.beckwith at gmail.com (Michael Beckwith) Date: Wed, 09 Jan 2008 12:14:12 -0600 Subject: A Thought About F9 Artwork In-Reply-To: <47850394.2060606@gmail.com> References: <1199213133.4762.9.camel@localhost.localdomain> <477A9D2F.7050407@silverorange.com> <200801020130.34708.ljuwaida@fedoraproject.org> <477AC333.80802@redhat.com> <4784FD61.6000602@gmail.com> <1199898390.15892.30.camel@pc-notebook.kolej.mff.cuni.cz> <5e92ee3f0801090909gffba0f4taa48ed094a1f9930@mail.gmail.com> <47850394.2060606@gmail.com> Message-ID: <47850EF4.5000906@gmail.com> Sticking with blues is what they call brand recognition and brand association. Yeah, some companies go through the trouble of changing their entire color scheme, but when they do they span across absolutely everything, not just some aspects. Valent Turkovic wrote: > Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek wrote: >> Fedora shouldn't change main color! It should only push some >> freshness and live to the Linux desktop. > But fresh is a new colour :) > Come on you burned blue colour from all your monitors that if one more > blue theme comes out it will look washed ot because the blue fosfor in > monitors is burned out :) > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list > -- ~Michael http://ridleytx.structed.net (for now) http://michaelbox.net (eventually) From jakub.rusinek at gmail.com Wed Jan 9 18:15:15 2008 From: jakub.rusinek at gmail.com (Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek) Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2008 19:15:15 +0100 Subject: [Echo] updates on document-save(-as) icon set In-Reply-To: <47850E6B.9050609@gmail.com> References: <47829C0E.5080907@thefinalzone.com> <1199805027.18640.9.camel@pc-notebook.kolej.mff.cuni.cz> <4783FA5E.4070809@thefinalzone.com> <1199839112.18640.35.camel@pc-notebook.kolej.mff.cuni.cz> <5e92ee3f0801090904h2d2a5436ia4b8848be8db8a33@mail.gmail.com> <1199898624.15892.33.camel@pc-notebook.kolej.mff.cuni.cz> <5e92ee3f0801090924q5b9499ffycdc68188e3f6d0b5@mail.gmail.com> <47850E6B.9050609@gmail.com> Message-ID: <5e92ee3f0801091015x563fc9e5n703a6eccb8b2f1c9@mail.gmail.com> > > No issues here with it being vertical. People are already turning folder > vertical. > I only saw them in M$' OS. -- Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek http://liviopl.jogger.pl/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jakub.rusinek at gmail.com Wed Jan 9 18:19:31 2008 From: jakub.rusinek at gmail.com (Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek) Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2008 19:19:31 +0100 Subject: A Thought About F9 Artwork In-Reply-To: <47850EF4.5000906@gmail.com> References: <1199213133.4762.9.camel@localhost.localdomain> <477A9D2F.7050407@silverorange.com> <200801020130.34708.ljuwaida@fedoraproject.org> <477AC333.80802@redhat.com> <4784FD61.6000602@gmail.com> <1199898390.15892.30.camel@pc-notebook.kolej.mff.cuni.cz> <5e92ee3f0801090909gffba0f4taa48ed094a1f9930@mail.gmail.com> <47850394.2060606@gmail.com> <47850EF4.5000906@gmail.com> Message-ID: <5e92ee3f0801091019n5e4f769by9a83f6d08280cda6@mail.gmail.com> 2008/1/9, Michael Beckwith : > > Sticking with blues is what they call brand recognition and brand > association. Yeah, some companies go through the trouble of changing > their entire color scheme, but when they do they span across absolutely > everything, not just some aspects. > > Valent Turkovic wrote: > > Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek wrote: > >> Fedora shouldn't change main color! It should only push some > >> freshness and live to the Linux desktop. > > But fresh is a new colour :) > > Come on you burned blue colour from all your monitors that if one more > > blue theme comes out it will look washed ot because the blue fosfor in > > monitors is burned out :) > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Fedora-art-list mailing list > > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list > > > > > -- > ~Michael > http://ridleytx.structed.net (for now) > http://michaelbox.net (eventually) > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list > If Fedora would change the logo (I even haven't thinked about it), then it should change the colors. Otherwise - colors shouldn't be touched. -- Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek http://liviopl.jogger.pl/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From duffy at redhat.com Wed Jan 9 18:14:59 2008 From: duffy at redhat.com (=?UTF-8?B?TcOhaXLDrW4gRHVmZnk=?=) Date: Wed, 09 Jan 2008 13:14:59 -0500 Subject: Logos In-Reply-To: <5e92ee3f0801091012i1c4c1546y3436072cd6e7f426@mail.gmail.com> References: <5e92ee3f0801091012i1c4c1546y3436072cd6e7f426@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <47850F23.7000704@redhat.com> Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek wrote: > Can I request logos SVG package (I think here's faster to obtain them)? > I lost them. Again :/ . You need to send this request to logo at fedoraproject.org. ~m From michael.d.beckwith at gmail.com Wed Jan 9 18:25:33 2008 From: michael.d.beckwith at gmail.com (Michael Beckwith) Date: Wed, 09 Jan 2008 12:25:33 -0600 Subject: [Echo] updates on document-save(-as) icon set In-Reply-To: <5e92ee3f0801091015x563fc9e5n703a6eccb8b2f1c9@mail.gmail.com> References: <47829C0E.5080907@thefinalzone.com> <1199805027.18640.9.camel@pc-notebook.kolej.mff.cuni.cz> <4783FA5E.4070809@thefinalzone.com> <1199839112.18640.35.camel@pc-notebook.kolej.mff.cuni.cz> <5e92ee3f0801090904h2d2a5436ia4b8848be8db8a33@mail.gmail.com> <1199898624.15892.33.camel@pc-notebook.kolej.mff.cuni.cz> <5e92ee3f0801090924q5b9499ffycdc68188e3f6d0b5@mail.gmail.com> <47850E6B.9050609@gmail.com> <5e92ee3f0801091015x563fc9e5n703a6eccb8b2f1c9@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4785119D.5030604@gmail.com> Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek wrote: > > No issues here with it being vertical. People are already turning > folder vertical. > > > I only saw them in M$' OS. Not looking hard enough. http://www.gnome-look.org/content/show.php/black-white?content=70299 http://www.gnome-look.org/content/show.php/newblack?content=72273 I imagine those are just two examples of many that are available with peoples abilities to make their own icon packs. > > -- > Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek > http://liviopl.jogger.pl/ > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list > -- ~Michael http://ridleytx.structed.net (for now) http://michaelbox.net (eventually) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jakub.rusinek at gmail.com Wed Jan 9 18:49:06 2008 From: jakub.rusinek at gmail.com (Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek) Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2008 19:49:06 +0100 Subject: [Echo] updates on document-save(-as) icon set In-Reply-To: <4785119D.5030604@gmail.com> References: <47829C0E.5080907@thefinalzone.com> <1199805027.18640.9.camel@pc-notebook.kolej.mff.cuni.cz> <4783FA5E.4070809@thefinalzone.com> <1199839112.18640.35.camel@pc-notebook.kolej.mff.cuni.cz> <5e92ee3f0801090904h2d2a5436ia4b8848be8db8a33@mail.gmail.com> <1199898624.15892.33.camel@pc-notebook.kolej.mff.cuni.cz> <5e92ee3f0801090924q5b9499ffycdc68188e3f6d0b5@mail.gmail.com> <47850E6B.9050609@gmail.com> <5e92ee3f0801091015x563fc9e5n703a6eccb8b2f1c9@mail.gmail.com> <4785119D.5030604@gmail.com> Message-ID: <5e92ee3f0801091049l6b34d75bmffab6e4e3a26bda@mail.gmail.com> 2008/1/9, Michael Beckwith : > > Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek wrote: > > No issues here with it being vertical. People are already turning folder > > vertical. > > > > I only saw them in M$' OS. > > Not looking hard enough. > > http://www.gnome-look.org/content/show.php/black-white?content=70299 > http://www.gnome-look.org/content/show.php/newblack?content=72273 > > I imagine those are just two examples of many that are available with > peoples abilities to make their own icon packs. > Blah. Examples you shown are the ugliest icons I've ever seen. The even not worth looking. -- Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek http://liviopl.jogger.pl/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From michael.d.beckwith at gmail.com Wed Jan 9 19:05:02 2008 From: michael.d.beckwith at gmail.com (Michael Beckwith) Date: Wed, 09 Jan 2008 13:05:02 -0600 Subject: [Echo] updates on document-save(-as) icon set In-Reply-To: <5e92ee3f0801091049l6b34d75bmffab6e4e3a26bda@mail.gmail.com> References: <47829C0E.5080907@thefinalzone.com> <1199805027.18640.9.camel@pc-notebook.kolej.mff.cuni.cz> <4783FA5E.4070809@thefinalzone.com> <1199839112.18640.35.camel@pc-notebook.kolej.mff.cuni.cz> <5e92ee3f0801090904h2d2a5436ia4b8848be8db8a33@mail.gmail.com> <1199898624.15892.33.camel@pc-notebook.kolej.mff.cuni.cz> <5e92ee3f0801090924q5b9499ffycdc68188e3f6d0b5@mail.gmail.com> <47850E6B.9050609@gmail.com> <5e92ee3f0801091015x563fc9e5n703a6eccb8b2f1c9@mail.gmail.com> <4785119D.5030604@gmail.com> <5e92ee3f0801091049l6b34d75bmffab6e4e3a26bda@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <47851ADE.8020701@gmail.com> Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek wrote: > 2008/1/9, Michael Beckwith >: > > Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek wrote: >> >> No issues here with it being vertical. People are already >> turning folder vertical. >> >> >> I only saw them in M$' OS. > Not looking hard enough. > > http://www.gnome-look.org/content/show.php/black-white?content=70299 > http://www.gnome-look.org/content/show.php/newblack?content=72273 > > I imagine those are just two examples of many that are available > with peoples abilities to make their own icon packs. > > > Blah. Examples you shown are the ugliest icons I've ever seen. The > even not worth looking. 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They also mention icons and few other issues, but best > > > listen to it if you can. > > > > Sorry, I didn't, I don't have much time these days. A summary of actual > > issues brought up would be helpful. > > > > I was away a few days... so the late reply. > > Mairin please take the time and listen to the podcast, they have > really gone into details and especially you as the leader of artwork > team should listen to it. > If you have flash you can hear it here: > http://kernelreloaded.blog385.com/index.php/archives/fedora-8-audio-review/ > if you want to listen to if offline here you go: > http://www.archive.org/download/Fedora8ReviewlinuxActionShowEp067/Linuxactionshowep067-Fedora8Review.ogg > http://www.archive.org/download/Fedora8ReviewlinuxActionShowEp067/Linuxactionshowep067-Fedora8Review_64kb.mp3 Basically that is all subjective opinion on the theme.. other people praised the artwork - in fact most of the reviews I read did so. F8 e.g. was probably the first Fedora theme I really enjoyed, nicely professional and sutle. There, following my subjective review we are doing great... woohoo! Basically Bert and Ernie spend the entire review hating on the artwork instead of actually reviewing the distribution and informing people about the cool stuff we worked on. Which pretty much useless for everyone. So I don't really see how this hatchjob is helpful to anyone.. - David -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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They also mention icons and few other issues, but best > > > > listen to it if you can. > > > > > > Sorry, I didn't, I don't have much time these days. A summary of > actual > > > issues brought up would be helpful. > > > > > > > I was away a few days... so the late reply. > > > > Mairin please take the time and listen to the podcast, they have > > really gone into details and especially you as the leader of artwork > > team should listen to it. > > If you have flash you can hear it here: > > > http://kernelreloaded.blog385.com/index.php/archives/fedora-8-audio-review/ > > if you want to listen to if offline here you go: > > > http://www.archive.org/download/Fedora8ReviewlinuxActionShowEp067/Linuxactionshowep067-Fedora8Review.ogg > > > http://www.archive.org/download/Fedora8ReviewlinuxActionShowEp067/Linuxactionshowep067-Fedora8Review_64kb.mp3 > > Basically that is all subjective opinion on the theme.. other people > praised the artwork - in fact most of the reviews I read did so. F8 e.g. > was probably the first Fedora theme I really enjoyed, nicely > professional and sutle. There, following my subjective review we are > doing great... woohoo! > > Basically Bert and Ernie spend the entire review hating on the artwork > instead of actually reviewing the distribution and informing people > about the cool stuff we worked on. Which pretty much useless for > everyone. > > So I don't really see how this hatchjob is helpful to anyone.. > > - David > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list > > > I wonder if NM 0.7 with cool new features will be available in F8, until F9 is released. One of them is static configuration (available in openSUSE and Ubuntu via hackish patches. Tomorrow system-config-network will allow to edit this configuration and NM will use it. Nice. It's only one of improvements. Next thing we gonna see is Firefox 3 - almost native (I care about it and I'm filing bugs in their bugzilla, I'm also using Minefiled everyday). The only thing that need to be written here is short new artwork review, but it's not ready yet ;) . -- Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek http://liviopl.jogger.pl/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From luya_tfz at thefinalzone.com Wed Jan 9 22:23:32 2008 From: luya_tfz at thefinalzone.com (Luya Tshimbalanga) Date: Wed, 09 Jan 2008 14:23:32 -0800 Subject: A Thought About F9 Artwork In-Reply-To: <478502C9.8070509@gmail.com> References: <1199213133.4762.9.camel@localhost.localdomain> <477A9D2F.7050407@silverorange.com> <4784FB1E.4080509@gmail.com> <1199898116.15892.25.camel@pc-notebook.kolej.mff.cuni.cz> <478502C9.8070509@gmail.com> Message-ID: <47854964.6070107@thefinalzone.com> Valent Turkovic a ?crit : > > I know that lot of things you can't change because Gnome is > responsible for that. Nobody has touched gnome panels design wise > since FC1, maybe I'm overstating it but it looks like that to me. New > theme isn't needed just in present one do something with gnome panels. > Why are gnome panels so plain? You mean Fedora 3 because the previous version only has one bottom panel. The difficulty is also to consider usability when it comes to artwork. Luya From luya_tfz at thefinalzone.com Wed Jan 9 22:26:44 2008 From: luya_tfz at thefinalzone.com (Luya Tshimbalanga) Date: Wed, 09 Jan 2008 14:26:44 -0800 Subject: [Echo] updates on document-save(-as) icon set In-Reply-To: <5e92ee3f0801090924q5b9499ffycdc68188e3f6d0b5@mail.gmail.com> References: <47829C0E.5080907@thefinalzone.com> <1199805027.18640.9.camel@pc-notebook.kolej.mff.cuni.cz> <4783FA5E.4070809@thefinalzone.com> <1199839112.18640.35.camel@pc-notebook.kolej.mff.cuni.cz> <5e92ee3f0801090904h2d2a5436ia4b8848be8db8a33@mail.gmail.com> <1199898624.15892.33.camel@pc-notebook.kolej.mff.cuni.cz> <5e92ee3f0801090924q5b9499ffycdc68188e3f6d0b5@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <47854A24.7050400@thefinalzone.com> Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek a ?crit : > But the HDD in all other themes is in horizontal position. > Echo will stay off. Nowhere is mentioned HDD must be in horizontal position as a rule. Because of perspective and the fact HDD can be in vertical position, why not? Luya From luya_tfz at thefinalzone.com Wed Jan 9 22:43:05 2008 From: luya_tfz at thefinalzone.com (Luya Tshimbalanga) Date: Wed, 09 Jan 2008 14:43:05 -0800 Subject: [Echo] Some updates. In-Reply-To: <5e92ee3f0801090905w6857fa7ah5516cd6557ed9524@mail.gmail.com> References: <47829C0E.5080907@thefinalzone.com> <6e24a8e80801081047u75a02f10ob970895efdd61cfa@mail.gmail.com> <47840BB8.8090303@thefinalzone.com> <5e92ee3f0801090905w6857fa7ah5516cd6557ed9524@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <47854DF9.9050505@thefinalzone.com> Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek a ?crit : > Hmmm. The blue arrows looks strange. > Alien, huh? Well, the source is available to edit so you can propose a variant. I will work on that one later. Luya From luya_tfz at thefinalzone.com Wed Jan 9 23:13:08 2008 From: luya_tfz at thefinalzone.com (Luya Tshimbalanga) Date: Wed, 09 Jan 2008 15:13:08 -0800 Subject: [Echo] updates on document-save(-as) icon set In-Reply-To: <1199839112.18640.35.camel@pc-notebook.kolej.mff.cuni.cz> References: <47829C0E.5080907@thefinalzone.com> <1199805027.18640.9.camel@pc-notebook.kolej.mff.cuni.cz> <4783FA5E.4070809@thefinalzone.com> <1199839112.18640.35.camel@pc-notebook.kolej.mff.cuni.cz> Message-ID: <47855504.30603@thefinalzone.com> Martin Sourada a ?crit : > On Tue, 2008-01-08 at 14:34 -0800, Luya Tshimbalanga wrote: > >> Document-save(-as) icon set is updated [1]. >> >> Luya >> >> Reference: >> [1]http://luya.fedorapeople.org/images/echo/actions/ >> > > That's a lot better! What about making it a little more thin like the > gnome icon? But nevertheless, this icon is quite easy to recognise which > is what we aim for in the first place. Please, use flat perspective for > the 22x22 and 24x24 icon as well, to keep consistency with the rest of > the icons. Also the 16x16 icon is blurry, perhaps need some > simplification and better positioning. > Flat pespectives applied on both 22x22 and 24x24 icons[1-4]. I have modified the 16x16 version to be lighter to reduce blurriness although there is a small trace on outline but not enough to detract attention.[5][6] > Oh, and maybe, just a little idea, the gradient might be less intensive > (i.e. in the bottom left a little lighter and in the top right a little > darker), but as it is now it's also great. > Ideas used on 16x16 icon. > And I just noticed it, but the plug is usually on the other side of the > hard-disk, so I'd suggest to either mirror the face side vertically or > make the right-hand side silver (similar to the top side). > > Adressed issues.[7-10] Luya _References:_ [1] http://luya.fedorapeople.org/images/echo/actions/document-save22b.png [2] http://luya.fedorapeople.org/images/echo/actions/document-save22b.svg [3] http://luya.fedorapeople.org/images/echo/actions/document-save24b.png [4] http://luya.fedorapeople.org/images/echo/actions/document-save24b.svg [5] http://luya.fedorapeople.org/images/echo/actions/document-save16b.png [6] http://luya.fedorapeople.org/images/echo/actions/document-save16b.svg [7] http://luya.fedorapeople.org/images/echo/actions/document-save32b.png [8] http://luya.fedorapeople.org/images/echo/actions/document-save32b.svg [9] http://luya.fedorapeople.org/images/echo/actions/document-save48b.png [10] http://luya.fedorapeople.org/images/echo/actions/document-save48b.svg -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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It now uses the hard disk drive based from drive-harddisk icon.[2] > Document-save-as got the same treatment but smaller icons are not done yet. > > More new and modified icons to come soon. > > > Luya > > Hey, > > i like the new camera icon more than the previous one but this time > with the critic that it could use some more contrast. The shape is > fine! just play a bit with some colors. > > Updated version available[1] > http://luya.fedorapeople.org/images/echo/devices/ > > > And for document-save.. if i see that icon in a application i would > have never guessed that it stands for saving a document. That icon on > it's own looks fine but just not for document-save. Perhaps it's > better to use a floppy for the saving icon? > > Floppy disk has been replaced by hard disk drive for document-save. I made > a naked version following Martin's suggestion.[2] > > Luya > > References > > [1]http://luya.fedorapeople.org/images/echo/devices/ > [2]http://luya.fedorapeople.org/images/echo/apps/ The save icon looks good to me now. The camera icon can still use some more color changes if you ask me. Try making it in the colors of that hard drive. From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Thu Jan 10 08:21:07 2008 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2008 10:21:07 +0200 Subject: Round 1 Message-ID: <4785D573.9030201@nicubunu.ro> The deadline for Round 1 was a couple of days ago, so here are all the submissions we gathered so far (a valid submission must have an announcement on the list and a wiki page): Listed chronologically: - CODE 9TO9, by Jiri http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/F9Themes/CODE9TO9 - Freedom, by Michael http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/F9Themes/Freedom - Waves, by Martin http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/F9Themes/Waves - Night, by Mola http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/F9Themes/Night Electric Sphere, by Mola http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/F9Themes/electric-sphere - At Last, by Andrew http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/F9Themes/AtLast - Shoowa, by Luya http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/F9Themes/Shoowa I also blogged about them - http://nicubunu.blogspot.com/2008/01/fedora-9-themes-round-1.html Please comment. My favorite is Waves, seconded by Freedom and Night. -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From jakub.rusinek at gmail.com Thu Jan 10 09:11:25 2008 From: jakub.rusinek at gmail.com (Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2008 10:11:25 +0100 Subject: A Thought About F9 Artwork In-Reply-To: <47854964.6070107@thefinalzone.com> References: <1199213133.4762.9.camel@localhost.localdomain> <477A9D2F.7050407@silverorange.com> <4784FB1E.4080509@gmail.com> <1199898116.15892.25.camel@pc-notebook.kolej.mff.cuni.cz> <478502C9.8070509@gmail.com> <47854964.6070107@thefinalzone.com> Message-ID: <5e92ee3f0801100111t7c19ae10s67c5e6fd25dab1f5@mail.gmail.com> 2008/1/9, Luya Tshimbalanga : > > Valent Turkovic a ?crit : > > > > I know that lot of things you can't change because Gnome is > > responsible for that. Nobody has touched gnome panels design wise > > since FC1, maybe I'm overstating it but it looks like that to me. New > > theme isn't needed just in present one do something with gnome panels. > > Why are gnome panels so plain? > You mean Fedora 3 because the previous version only has one bottom > panel. The difficulty is also to consider usability when it comes to > artwork. > > Luya > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list > GNOME is very usable, but two panels can be confusing solution. Next thing I don't like is the default menu in the top panel. This menu have no "favourites". I dislike it. -- Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek http://liviopl.jogger.pl/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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It now uses the hard disk drive based from drive-harddisk icon.[2] > > Document-save-as got the same treatment but smaller icons are not done > yet. > > > > More new and modified icons to come soon. > > > > > > Luya > > > > Hey, > > > > i like the new camera icon more than the previous one but this time > > with the critic that it could use some more contrast. The shape is > > fine! just play a bit with some colors. > > > > Updated version available[1] > > http://luya.fedorapeople.org/images/echo/devices/ > > > > > > And for document-save.. if i see that icon in a application i would > > have never guessed that it stands for saving a document. That icon on > > it's own looks fine but just not for document-save. Perhaps it's > > better to use a floppy for the saving icon? > > > > Floppy disk has been replaced by hard disk drive for document-save. I > made > > a naked version following Martin's suggestion.[2] > > > > Luya > > > > References > > > > [1]http://luya.fedorapeople.org/images/echo/devices/ > > [2]http://luya.fedorapeople.org/images/echo/apps/ > > The save icon looks good to me now. > The camera icon can still use some more color changes if you ask me. > Try making it in the colors of that hard drive. > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list > I'm not a graphic... I can't edit it, because I have no skills. -- Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek http://liviopl.jogger.pl/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Feel free to post it in the correct ML Thanks and ... just my five cents GeroldKa > The deadline for Round 1 was a couple of days ago, so here are all the > submissions we gathered so far (a valid submission must have an > announcement on the list and a wiki page): > > Listed chronologically: > - CODE 9TO9, by Jiri > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/F9Themes/CODE9TO9 > - Freedom, by Michael > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/F9Themes/Freedom > - Waves, by Martin http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/F9Themes/Waves > - Night, by Mola http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/F9Themes/Night > Electric Sphere, by Mola > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/F9Themes/electric-sphere > - At Last, by Andrew http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/F9Themes/AtLast > - Shoowa, by Luya http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/F9Themes/Shoowa > > I also blogged about them - > http://nicubunu.blogspot.com/2008/01/fedora-9-themes-round-1.html > > Please comment. > > My favorite is Waves, seconded by Freedom and Night. > > -- > nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com > Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ > Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org > my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list > From luya_tfz at thefinalzone.com Thu Jan 10 09:35:06 2008 From: luya_tfz at thefinalzone.com (Luya Tshimbalanga) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2008 01:35:06 -0800 Subject: [Echo] Some updates. In-Reply-To: <6e24a8e80801091629v680838acgfbb4e65e215a9c1@mail.gmail.com> References: <47829C0E.5080907@thefinalzone.com> <6e24a8e80801081047u75a02f10ob970895efdd61cfa@mail.gmail.com> <47840BB8.8090303@thefinalzone.com> <6e24a8e80801091629v680838acgfbb4e65e215a9c1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4785E6CA.3030902@thefinalzone.com> Mark a ?crit : > The save icon looks good to me now. > The camera icon can still use some more color changes if you ask me. > Try making it in the colors of that hard drive. > > Here is the latest set of camera-photo icons. That will be the final draft as I would like to focus on other icons. 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Wow! That would be indeed cool, to have your own code somewhere (it may be even a bar code). And I think I got an idea about the implementation: we can have a SVG as background. Is easy to modify that SVG file, is XML, but you can do a test search and replace (with sed).So I believe it can be done (but I suspect the current Nautilus won't notice the SVG update on the fly). > Just my thoughts and ideas and also not really sure to post correct here. > Feel free to post it in the correct ML -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From ljuwaida at fedoraproject.org Thu Jan 10 11:00:39 2008 From: ljuwaida at fedoraproject.org (Laith Juwaidah) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2008 15:00:39 +0400 Subject: Round 1 In-Reply-To: <4785EB1B.7090204@nicubunu.ro> References: <4785D573.9030201@nicubunu.ro> <37822.217.162.12.42.1199956617.squirrel@www.gbc.net> <4785EB1B.7090204@nicubunu.ro> Message-ID: On Jan 10, 2008 1:53 PM, Nicu Buculei wrote: > Gerold wrote: > > > > I'm not really sure to be here on the "correct" list but I like to tell > > you something personal :-) > > You give feed-back about one of the proposals, so you are at least > partly on-topic. > > > I took a look at the below listed "round1" URLs and I personally tiked > the > > 9TO9 most ... > > and I have also a (in my eyes) fantastic idea but also not sure than > > somebody can realize my thoughts. > > > > When you'll install a new system, you'll get a unique (smolt-system) > > id-number; maybe it is possible that that id-nummer is the "code" shown > at > > your dsktop?! > > > > So everybody has his "own unique" Desktop wallpaper/theme and also maybe > > with the changing color as in F8??? > > Wow! That would be indeed cool, to have your own code somewhere (it may > be even a bar code). > And I think I got an idea about the implementation: we can have a SVG as > background. Is easy to modify that SVG file, is XML, but you can do a > test search and replace (with sed).So I believe it can be done (but I > suspect the current Nautilus won't notice the SVG update on the fly). I like this idea too... About the implementation, we won't need to change the code every period of time, it'll be set only once when the system is first installed... Probably changed in the four pictures (assuming the color will change too), then exported to png and those pngs will be used just like they used to in F8. > > > > Just my thoughts and ideas and also not really sure to post correct > here. > > Feel free to post it in the correct ML > > -- > nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com > Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ > Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org > my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list > -- Laith Juwaidah http://www.ljuwaidah.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Thu Jan 10 11:45:51 2008 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2008 13:45:51 +0200 Subject: Round 1 In-Reply-To: References: <4785D573.9030201@nicubunu.ro> <37822.217.162.12.42.1199956617.squirrel@www.gbc.net> <4785EB1B.7090204@nicubunu.ro> Message-ID: <4786056F.9090108@nicubunu.ro> Laith Juwaidah wrote: > Gerold wrote: > > I took a look at the below listed "round1" URLs and I personally > tiked the > > 9TO9 most ... > > and I have also a (in my eyes) fantastic idea but also not sure than > > somebody can realize my thoughts. > > > > When you'll install a new system, you'll get a unique (smolt-system) > > id-number; maybe it is possible that that id-nummer is the "code" > shown at > > your dsktop?! > > > > So everybody has his "own unique" Desktop wallpaper/theme and > also maybe > > About the implementation, we won't need to change the code every period > of time, it'll be set only once when the system is first installed... > Probably changed in the four pictures (assuming the color will change > too), then exported to png and those pngs will be used just like they > used to in F8. PNG or SVG, this is an implementation detail, the important part would be to get traction from the desktop guys to accept such a change. And as implementation details, I feel working with PNGs is more complicated: you will need installed something like ImageMagik (which is not available by default in a desktop install) to be able to generate the image PNG and do the composition, with SVG is just a text search and replace. -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From valent.turkovic at gmail.com Thu Jan 10 11:56:03 2008 From: valent.turkovic at gmail.com (Valent Turkovic) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2008 12:56:03 +0100 Subject: Round 1 In-Reply-To: <4785D573.9030201@nicubunu.ro> References: <4785D573.9030201@nicubunu.ro> Message-ID: <478607D3.8000405@gmail.com> Nicu Buculei wrote: > The deadline for Round 1 was a couple of days ago, so here are all the > submissions we gathered so far (a valid submission must have an > announcement on the list and a wiki page): > - Night, by Mola http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/F9Themes/Night this is #1 > Electric Sphere, by Mola > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/F9Themes/electric-sphere and this is #2 for me. Electris sphere would be much better if done in 3D and not in vectors IMHO. Valent. From ljuwaida at fedoraproject.org Thu Jan 10 11:56:02 2008 From: ljuwaida at fedoraproject.org (Laith Juwaidah) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2008 15:56:02 +0400 Subject: Round 1 In-Reply-To: <4786056F.9090108@nicubunu.ro> References: <4785D573.9030201@nicubunu.ro> <4786056F.9090108@nicubunu.ro> Message-ID: <200801101556.03330.ljuwaida@fedoraproject.org> On Thursday 10 January 2008 15:45:51 Nicu Buculei wrote: > Laith Juwaidah wrote: > > Gerold wrote: > > > I took a look at the below listed "round1" URLs and I personally > > > > tiked the > > > > > 9TO9 most ... > > > and I have also a (in my eyes) fantastic idea but also not sure > > > than somebody can realize my thoughts. > > > > > > When you'll install a new system, you'll get a unique > > > (smolt-system) id-number; maybe it is possible that that id-nummer > > > is the "code" > > > > shown at > > > > > your dsktop?! > > > > > > So everybody has his "own unique" Desktop wallpaper/theme and > > > > also maybe > > > > About the implementation, we won't need to change the code every period > > of time, it'll be set only once when the system is first installed... > > Probably changed in the four pictures (assuming the color will change > > too), then exported to png and those pngs will be used just like they > > used to in F8. > > PNG or SVG, this is an implementation detail, the important part would > be to get traction from the desktop guys to accept such a change. > > And as implementation details, I feel working with PNGs is more > complicated: you will need installed something like ImageMagik (which is > not available by default in a desktop install) to be able to generate > the image PNG and do the composition, with SVG is just a text search and > replace. Sorry :D I just thought that SVGs can't be used as backgrounds, my bad. -- Laith Juwaidah http://www.ljuwaidah.org/ From duffy at redhat.com Thu Jan 10 13:16:11 2008 From: duffy at redhat.com (=?UTF-8?B?TcOhaXLDrW4gRHVmZnk=?=) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2008 08:16:11 -0500 Subject: Round 1 In-Reply-To: <4786056F.9090108@nicubunu.ro> References: <4785D573.9030201@nicubunu.ro> <37822.217.162.12.42.1199956617.squirrel@www.gbc.net> <4785EB1B.7090204@nicubunu.ro> <4786056F.9090108@nicubunu.ro> Message-ID: <47861A9B.5050806@redhat.com> Nicu Buculei wrote: > Laith Juwaidah wrote: >> About the implementation, we won't need to change the code every >> period of time, it'll be set only once when the system is first >> installed... Probably changed in the four pictures (assuming the color >> will change too), then exported to png and those pngs will be used >> just like they used to in F8. > > PNG or SVG, this is an implementation detail, the important part would > be to get traction from the desktop guys to accept such a change. > > And as implementation details, I feel working with PNGs is more > complicated: you will need installed something like ImageMagik (which is > not available by default in a desktop install) to be able to generate > the image PNG and do the composition, with SVG is just a text search and > replace. Hmm, maybe when the profile is sent up to smolt, the image is generated on the server and the system grabs it? ~m From gerold at lugd.org Thu Jan 10 13:56:42 2008 From: gerold at lugd.org (Gerold) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2008 14:56:42 +0100 (CET) Subject: Round 1 In-Reply-To: <47861A9B.5050806@redhat.com> References: <4785D573.9030201@nicubunu.ro> <37822.217.162.12.42.1199956617.squirrel@www.gbc.net> <4785EB1B.7090204@nicubunu.ro> <4786056F.9090108@nicubunu.ro> <47861A9B.5050806@redhat.com> Message-ID: <1810.217.162.12.42.1199973402.squirrel@www.gbc.net> > Nicu Buculei wrote: >> Laith Juwaidah wrote: >>> About the implementation, we won't need to change the code every >>> period of time, it'll be set only once when the system is first >>> installed... Probably changed in the four pictures (assuming the color >>> will change too), then exported to png and those pngs will be used >>> just like they used to in F8. >> >> PNG or SVG, this is an implementation detail, the important part would >> be to get traction from the desktop guys to accept such a change. >> >> And as implementation details, I feel working with PNGs is more >> complicated: you will need installed something like ImageMagik (which is >> not available by default in a desktop install) to be able to generate >> the image PNG and do the composition, with SVG is just a text search and >> replace. > > Hmm, maybe when the profile is sent up to smolt, the image is generated > on the server and the system grabs it? > > ~m M?ir?n, WONDERFULL idea, so we also get the people who installed "counted" with the exclusivly, unique and personalized Wallpaper with the "own" account ... I like that idea very much; and also Mike is happy to get some more smolt-sender :-) Who will take the lead to bring such an idea to Max / Mike or whom it may concern? regards Gerold From martin.sourada at gmail.com Thu Jan 10 14:12:51 2008 From: martin.sourada at gmail.com (Martin Sourada) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2008 15:12:51 +0100 Subject: A Thought About F9 Artwork In-Reply-To: <5e92ee3f0801100111t7c19ae10s67c5e6fd25dab1f5@mail.gmail.com> References: <1199213133.4762.9.camel@localhost.localdomain> <477A9D2F.7050407@silverorange.com> <4784FB1E.4080509@gmail.com> <1199898116.15892.25.camel@pc-notebook.kolej.mff.cuni.cz> <478502C9.8070509@gmail.com> <47854964.6070107@thefinalzone.com> <5e92ee3f0801100111t7c19ae10s67c5e6fd25dab1f5@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1199974371.2894.15.camel@pc-notebook.kolej.mff.cuni.cz> On Thu, 2008-01-10 at 10:11 +0100, Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek wrote: > 2008/1/9, Luya Tshimbalanga : > Valent Turkovic a ?crit : > > > > I know that lot of things you can't change because Gnome is > > responsible for that. Nobody has touched gnome > panels design wise > > since FC1, maybe I'm overstating it but it looks like that > to me. New > > theme isn't needed just in present one do something with > gnome panels. > > Why are gnome panels so plain? > You mean Fedora 3 because the previous version only has one > bottom > panel. The difficulty is also to consider usability when it > comes to > artwork. > > Luya > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list > > GNOME is very usable, but two panels can be confusing solution. > Next thing I don't like is the default menu in the top panel. > This menu have no "favourites". I dislike it. > Actually I find 2 panels to be much better than one. The favourites are handled in the bottom panel (by hand, as I am the one who knows best what I'd like to have accessible via one-click) as well as some applets like volume setting, trash, log out, lock screen, run, notify area and virtual desktop switcher... In the top one I have menu, window list and some applets that say whats going on (i.e. how much network traffic I have, how much CPU is used and what datum and time is it). I find it very convenient, easy to manage and fast to use, much better than only when panel setting - to me it seems one panel for all the things I'd like to have accessible on one click is not very useful... (as a matter of fact, when I occasionally use windows I find the one panel with start menu quite confusing and shortcoming of space). But what I want to say with it, the default configuration is chosen to fit most of the gnome users, but not everyone use it as is, but make their own layout, but still I think two panels have much more positives than negatives over one panel. Also having the menu on the top is nice, since application menus are on the top of window as well, so it is more logical. Just my 2$. Btw. if you'd like the default panel configuration changed, make your proposal on the fedora-desktop-list [1], I am sure they'll gladly discuss it with you. Martin References: [1] https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-desktop-list [2] http://mso.fedorapeople.org/screenshots/panels.png - what panel layout I find to work the best for me -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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You, as you where the one you came with the idea in the first place :p Seriously, this is hot the things works: you don't have to wait for anyone else, take the initiative and follow it. -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From jakub.rusinek at gmail.com Thu Jan 10 14:35:04 2008 From: jakub.rusinek at gmail.com (Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2008 15:35:04 +0100 Subject: [Echo] Some updates. In-Reply-To: <4785E6CA.3030902@thefinalzone.com> References: <47829C0E.5080907@thefinalzone.com> <6e24a8e80801081047u75a02f10ob970895efdd61cfa@mail.gmail.com> <47840BB8.8090303@thefinalzone.com> <6e24a8e80801091629v680838acgfbb4e65e215a9c1@mail.gmail.com> <4785E6CA.3030902@thefinalzone.com> Message-ID: <5e92ee3f0801100635y624c7083ybc8fed6b49726582@mail.gmail.com> 2008/1/10, Luya Tshimbalanga : > > Mark a ?crit : > > The save icon looks good to me now. > > The camera icon can still use some more color changes if you ask me. > > Try making it in the colors of that hard drive. > > > > > Here is the latest set of camera-photo icons. That will be the final > draft as I would like to focus on other icons. > > Luya > > http://luya.fedorapeople.org/images/echo/devices/camera-photo16j.png > http://luya.fedorapeople.org/images/echo/devices/camera-photo16j.svg > http://luya.fedorapeople.org/images/echo/devices/camera-photo22j.png > http://luya.fedorapeople.org/images/echo/devices/camera-photo22j.svg > http://luya.fedorapeople.org/images/echo/devices/camera-photo24j.png > http://luya.fedorapeople.org/images/echo/devices/camera-photo24j.svg > http://luya.fedorapeople.org/images/echo/devices/camera-photo32j.png > http://luya.fedorapeople.org/images/echo/devices/camera-photo32j.svg > http://luya.fedorapeople.org/images/echo/devices/camera-photo48j.png > http://luya.fedorapeople.org/images/echo/devices/camera-photo48j.svg > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list > > > Nice. -- Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek http://liviopl.jogger.pl/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Nobody has touched gnome > > panels design wise > > > since FC1, maybe I'm overstating it but it looks like that > > to me. New > > > theme isn't needed just in present one do something with > > gnome panels. > > > Why are gnome panels so plain? > > You mean Fedora 3 because the previous version only has one > > bottom > > panel. The difficulty is also to consider usability when it > > comes to > > artwork. > > > > Luya > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Fedora-art-list mailing list > > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list > > > > GNOME is very usable, but two panels can be confusing solution. > > Next thing I don't like is the default menu in the top panel. > > This menu have no "favourites". I dislike it. > > > > Actually I find 2 panels to be much better than one. The favourites are > handled in the bottom panel (by hand, as I am the one who knows best > what I'd like to have accessible via one-click) as well as some applets > like volume setting, trash, log out, lock screen, run, notify area and > virtual desktop switcher... In the top one I have menu, window list and > some applets that say whats going on (i.e. how much network traffic I > have, how much CPU is used and what datum and time is it). I find it > very convenient, easy to manage and fast to use, much better than only > when panel setting - to me it seems one panel for all the things I'd > like to have accessible on one click is not very useful... (as a matter > of fact, when I occasionally use windows I find the one panel with start > menu quite confusing and shortcoming of space). > > But what I want to say with it, the default configuration is chosen to > fit most of the gnome users, but not everyone use it as is, but make > their own layout, but still I think two panels have much more positives > than negatives over one panel. Also having the menu on the top is nice, > since application menus are on the top of window as well, so it is more > logical. > > Just my 2$. > > Btw. if you'd like the default panel configuration changed, make your > proposal on the fedora-desktop-list [1], I am sure they'll gladly > discuss it with you. > > Martin > > References: > [1] https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-desktop-list > [2] http://mso.fedorapeople.org/screenshots/panels.png - what panel layout > I find to work the best for me > > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list > > > I dislike favourites etc in panels/dock. I even hate it. Menu with "favourites" is better idea imo. -- Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek http://liviopl.jogger.pl/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From duffy at redhat.com Thu Jan 10 14:51:02 2008 From: duffy at redhat.com (=?UTF-8?B?TcOhaXLDrW4gRHVmZnk=?=) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2008 09:51:02 -0500 Subject: Round 1 In-Reply-To: <4785D573.9030201@nicubunu.ro> References: <4785D573.9030201@nicubunu.ro> Message-ID: <478630D6.7060502@redhat.com> Hi Nicu, Thanks for writing this up :) Here are some of my thoughts on the round 1 proposals: Nicu Buculei wrote: > The deadline for Round 1 was a couple of days ago, so here are all the > submissions we gathered so far (a valid submission must have an > announcement on the list and a wiki page): > > Listed chronologically: > - CODE 9TO9, by Jiri > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/F9Themes/CODE9TO9 - It's an interesting concept but I think visually it could be more exciting if the 9-pointed shape was shown from a different angle other than straight on. - The colors used are sort of towards the more pastel-ish blue which is what we used for f8 so I think maybe more bold colors might be good just so there is more of a change from f8. - We traditionally do not have version numbers in the artwork so I don't know if the one with just the 9 is a good idea. I don't think the graphic needs numbers to 'explain itself' - rather it's an interesting idea to have a 9-pointed star shape as the focus of a series of abstract visual compositions. - One thing I am happy about with this concept is that beyond the number 9, it does relate to Fedora: 'endless' and 'cyclic' pretty much represent 'infinity'. - What does "algorithm 9483726159" mean? - One last thing, while the shape is endless and cyclic, when I look at it those aren't the first ideas that come to mind, maybe there is a better way to visually express that - maybe having arrow heads or some pointed/directional shapes in the pattern? > - Freedom, by Michael > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/F9Themes/Freedom - I think the concept of freedom is great but I am not sure that these visualizations are the best way to communicate that idea. Usage of imagery about someone escaping being chained up don't always evoke ideas about 'the good guy was wrongfully jailed but now he is free.' It might make people thing about escaped 'bad guys' too, or maybe it will make people think Fedora is a bunch of escaped software pirates. (See what I mean?) It's not the most positive imagery as is right now, but your last sketch, the one with the window - I think that one is the best one, as it puts some emphasis on the positives of freedom. I would make that window bigger and bolder... or maybe the entire focus. - As per the above comment, I think maybe this idea could merge with the "At Last" theme... which I think visually depicts the idea of freedom but in a more positive way. - The chain sketch does remind me a bit of the Fedora DNA theme. Actually at one point I did a series of paintings, each to depict a different Fedora concept, and the one I did for 'freedom' showed a chain made out of the Fedora infinity logo getting broken. I don't actually have access to that graphic right now but if I can find it I will send it to you. I did have some struggles with it visually to make it look like a broken chain - if I just drew a broken chain without using the infinity symbol to do it then it wouldn't relate to the other paintings in the set (which were entirely constructed of Fedora logo parts, see [1] and [2]) > - Waves, by Martin http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/F9Themes/Waves - I really like the idea of this one - the main reason is that waves/water are very natural, and we have gotten a lot of feedback about how folks would like to see more 'natural' themes in Fedora. GNOME upstream also has been working to bring 'nature' to the desktop so it also fits nicely with what they are doing. But it is 'nature' our way - water is symbolized by blue as is Fedora. - This is very calming imagery - especially the first sketch. Very good for a computer which may at times be quite frustrating. :) It really reminds me of a Japanese zen garden (as I mentioned on the page) and the pattern of the stones. - I *love* *love* *love* the suggestion from TrondDanielsen - "I think it would be cool if the pattern would change during the day to make the waves propagate outward just like the current theme changes colors during the day." That would be SO awesome!!!! - I think the 2nd sketch is the weakest. It seems very mathematical and abstract, and I guess I am very excited about the idea of bringing 'nature' to a very 'unnatural' thing (a computer) so I am least enthusiastic about this one. We just had an abstract/wavy-line theme in f8 so the change the other two sketches suggest are much more exciting to me. > - Night, by Mola http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/F9Themes/Night - I am not sure how this relates to Fedora conceptually at all? There doesn't seem to be an explanation? - It seems very similar to f7's theme in basic layout and I think it would be cool if we did something more fresh. - I guess I can't really say much else. :( The scene is drawn nicely but I don't see how it relates to Fedora. > Electric Sphere, by Mola > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/F9Themes/electric-sphere - Again I am not sure how this relates to Fedora conceptually. What is it trying to say? > - At Last, by Andrew http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/F9Themes/AtLast - The first time I saw this it reminded me of some of the images GNOME uses for GUADEC (the major annual GNOME conference): http://www.guadec.org/files/jumping_0.png - This is an interesting idea but as others have commented it might be weird to show faceless people or show photos of people nobody knows in a theme. What might be cool is getting many pictures of Fedora contributors (anyone going to FUDcon this weekend?) and using those are the 'models' - I think using just one person is bad. Use many and make this about community as well. - The pose the guy is in is a bit strange - it looks like a yoga pose maybe. - As mentioned earlier i think this idea meshes well with the 'Freedom' proposal. You could maybe show the guy or some people indoors in front of a window with a beautiful scene (maybe the 'night' proposal scene during daylight! :) ) > - Shoowa, by Luya http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/F9Themes/Shoowa - I think the pattern is very interesting - I am not sure I fully understand the cultural context behind these patterns though. Can you explain their meaning / connotations a bit more? What is the cloth used for? Who makes it? Do the patterns symbolized anything? What is the cloth made out of? etc. Do any of these have implications that relate to Fedora? Hope this feedback is useful! ~m [1] http://www.flickr.com/photos/mairin/176275450/in/set-72157594181459782/ (that one is community) [2] http://flickr.com/photos/mairin/176275449/in/set-72157594181459782/ (that one is infinity) From zytemp at zianet.com Thu Jan 10 14:53:56 2008 From: zytemp at zianet.com (Danial) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2008 08:53:56 -0600 Subject: Round 1 feedback Message-ID: <47863184.2010104@zianet.com> Morning all. For purely personal reasons, (Baha'i) I like the 9to9 nine pointed star concept most. My second choice would be Mola's electric sphere for the old techno-whiz feeling, with Martin's waves running a close third for continuity and infinitely radiating idea. Hope it helps. Dan From ivazqueznet at gmail.com Thu Jan 10 14:51:35 2008 From: ivazqueznet at gmail.com (Ignacio Vazquez-Abrams) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2008 09:51:35 -0500 Subject: Round 1 In-Reply-To: <37822.217.162.12.42.1199956617.squirrel@www.gbc.net> References: <4785D573.9030201@nicubunu.ro> <37822.217.162.12.42.1199956617.squirrel@www.gbc.net> Message-ID: <1199976695.5098.16.camel@ignacio.lan> On Thu, 2008-01-10 at 10:16 +0100, Gerold wrote: > When you'll install a new system, you'll get a unique (smolt-system) > id-number; maybe it is possible that that id-nummer is the "code" shown at > your dsktop?! > > So everybody has his "own unique" Desktop wallpaper/theme and also maybe > with the changing color as in F8??? The thing about this is that screenshots using this background will be able to identify the specific machine. 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Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From duffy at redhat.com Thu Jan 10 14:57:11 2008 From: duffy at redhat.com (=?UTF-8?B?TcOhaXLDrW4gRHVmZnk=?=) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2008 09:57:11 -0500 Subject: Round 1 In-Reply-To: <1199976695.5098.16.camel@ignacio.lan> References: <4785D573.9030201@nicubunu.ro> <37822.217.162.12.42.1199956617.squirrel@www.gbc.net> <1199976695.5098.16.camel@ignacio.lan> Message-ID: <47863247.5090606@redhat.com> Ignacio Vazquez-Abrams wrote: > On Thu, 2008-01-10 at 10:16 +0100, Gerold wrote: >> When you'll install a new system, you'll get a unique (smolt-system) >> id-number; maybe it is possible that that id-nummer is the "code" shown at >> your dsktop?! >> >> So everybody has his "own unique" Desktop wallpaper/theme and also maybe >> with the changing color as in F8??? > > The thing about this is that screenshots using this background will be > able to identify the specific machine. I agree that it's not a fatal > problem, but it is a potential privacy violation that the end-user needs > to be made aware of. Maybe instead this idea could be used to provide users with a printable label or sticker for their computer when they register with smolt rather than replacing their wallpaper? ~m From mclasen at redhat.com Thu Jan 10 14:59:25 2008 From: mclasen at redhat.com (Matthias Clasen) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2008 09:59:25 -0500 Subject: Round 1 In-Reply-To: <1199976695.5098.16.camel@ignacio.lan> References: <4785D573.9030201@nicubunu.ro> <37822.217.162.12.42.1199956617.squirrel@www.gbc.net> <1199976695.5098.16.camel@ignacio.lan> Message-ID: <1199977165.3704.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Thu, 2008-01-10 at 09:51 -0500, Ignacio Vazquez-Abrams wrote: > On Thu, 2008-01-10 at 10:16 +0100, Gerold wrote: > > When you'll install a new system, you'll get a unique (smolt-system) > > id-number; maybe it is possible that that id-nummer is the "code" shown at > > your dsktop?! > > > > So everybody has his "own unique" Desktop wallpaper/theme and also maybe > > with the changing color as in F8??? > > The thing about this is that screenshots using this background will be > able to identify the specific machine. I agree that it's not a fatal > problem, but it is a potential privacy violation that the end-user needs > to be made aware of. I agree with the privacy and perception concerns about this idea. Most people don't like being counted, and putting it constantly in their face on the desktop doesn't sound like a great idea. I think bar codes are also somewhat problematic and have negative connotations, at least in some countries (I recall "Volkszaehlungs" protests in Germany heavily using that symbol)... From michael.d.beckwith at gmail.com Thu Jan 10 15:34:04 2008 From: michael.d.beckwith at gmail.com (Michael Beckwith) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2008 09:34:04 -0600 Subject: Round 1 In-Reply-To: <47862C4D.70305@nicubunu.ro> References: <4785D573.9030201@nicubunu.ro> <37822.217.162.12.42.1199956617.squirrel@www.gbc.net> <4785EB1B.7090204@nicubunu.ro> <4786056F.9090108@nicubunu.ro> <47861A9B.5050806@redhat.com> <1810.217.162.12.42.1199973402.squirrel@www.gbc.net> <47862C4D.70305@nicubunu.ro> Message-ID: <47863AEC.6030105@gmail.com> Nicu Buculei wrote: > Gerold wrote: >> >> I like that idea very much; and also Mike is happy to get some more >> smolt-sender :-) >> >> Who will take the lead to bring such an idea to Max / Mike or whom it >> may >> concern? > > You, as you where the one you came with the idea in the first place :p > Seriously, this is hot the things works: you don't have to wait for > anyone else, take the initiative and follow it. > If anything, taking the initiative and doing it yourself is the fastest way to getting your idea implemented. -- ~Michael http://ridleytx.structed.net (for now) http://michaelbox.net (eventually) From martin.sourada at gmail.com Thu Jan 10 19:21:37 2008 From: martin.sourada at gmail.com (Martin Sourada) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2008 20:21:37 +0100 Subject: A Thought About F9 Artwork In-Reply-To: <5e92ee3f0801100638u57cd99efp746c40dbbead239@mail.gmail.com> References: <1199213133.4762.9.camel@localhost.localdomain> <477A9D2F.7050407@silverorange.com> <4784FB1E.4080509@gmail.com> <1199898116.15892.25.camel@pc-notebook.kolej.mff.cuni.cz> <478502C9.8070509@gmail.com> <47854964.6070107@thefinalzone.com> <5e92ee3f0801100111t7c19ae10s67c5e6fd25dab1f5@mail.gmail.com> <1199974371.2894.15.camel@pc-notebook.kolej.mff.cuni.cz> <5e92ee3f0801100638u57cd99efp746c40dbbead239@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1199992897.2894.22.camel@pc-notebook.kolej.mff.cuni.cz> On Thu, 2008-01-10 at 15:38 +0100, Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek wrote: > I dislike favourites etc in panels/dock. I even hate it. > Menu with "favourites" is better idea imo. > And what I hate is having a favourites menu which is constantly changing its contents. As for having a favourites menu, I am sure it's not such a hard task to make it. I just tried it and it's quite easy, though it might be even easier. Just right-click on the menu and select edit, I am sure you'll think up the rest (hint: drag'n'drop between menus, and the 'create new menu' might help a bit ;) See what I just made (in a few minutes, without any previous knowledge about menu editing) [1]. > -- > Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek > http://liviopl.jogger.pl/ Martin References [1] http://mso.fedorapeople.org/screenshots/menu-favourites.png -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I even hate it. > > Menu with "favourites" is better idea imo. > > > And what I hate is having a favourites menu which is constantly changing > its contents. As for having a favourites menu, I am sure it's not such a > hard task to make it. I just tried it and it's quite easy, though it > might be even easier. Just right-click on the menu and select edit, I am > sure you'll think up the rest (hint: drag'n'drop between menus, and the > 'create new menu' might help a bit ;) > > See what I just made (in a few minutes, without any previous knowledge > about menu editing) [1]. > > > -- > > Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek > > http://liviopl.jogger.pl/ > > Martin > > References > [1] http://mso.fedorapeople.org/screenshots/menu-favourites.png > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list > > > I don't want menu in that flavor... I like SUSE's idea, but not their code... This program requires legacy formats to be supported, etc. Hylke Bons did great work ( http://bomahy.nl/hylke/blog/new-attempt-to-a-usable-main-menu/ ), but this menu doesn't work for me at all :( . -- Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek http://liviopl.jogger.pl/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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In-Reply-To: <4785E6CA.3030902@thefinalzone.com> References: <47829C0E.5080907@thefinalzone.com> <6e24a8e80801081047u75a02f10ob970895efdd61cfa@mail.gmail.com> <47840BB8.8090303@thefinalzone.com> <6e24a8e80801091629v680838acgfbb4e65e215a9c1@mail.gmail.com> <4785E6CA.3030902@thefinalzone.com> Message-ID: <6e24a8e80801101318o61240485sae2c287d47655b3a@mail.gmail.com> 2008/1/10, Luya Tshimbalanga : > Mark a ?crit : > > The save icon looks good to me now. > > The camera icon can still use some more color changes if you ask me. > > Try making it in the colors of that hard drive. > > > > > Here is the latest set of camera-photo icons. That will be the final > draft as I would like to focus on other icons. > > Luya I don't have anymore critics now! it's looking wonderful now! just 16x16 isn't fitting in now ^_^ but for the rest it's a very good job! all done with inkscape? From luya_tfz at thefinalzone.com Thu Jan 10 21:47:55 2008 From: luya_tfz at thefinalzone.com (Luya Tshimbalanga) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2008 13:47:55 -0800 Subject: [Echo] Some updates. In-Reply-To: <6e24a8e80801101318o61240485sae2c287d47655b3a@mail.gmail.com> References: <47829C0E.5080907@thefinalzone.com> <6e24a8e80801081047u75a02f10ob970895efdd61cfa@mail.gmail.com> <47840BB8.8090303@thefinalzone.com> <6e24a8e80801091629v680838acgfbb4e65e215a9c1@mail.gmail.com> <4785E6CA.3030902@thefinalzone.com> <6e24a8e80801101318o61240485sae2c287d47655b3a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4786928B.8020804@thefinalzone.com> Mark a ?crit : > I don't have anymore critics now! it's looking wonderful now! > just 16x16 isn't fitting in now ^_^ > > but for the rest it's a very good job! > all done with inkscape? > Yes, all done with inkscape. I have attached the modified 16x16 to match other. Luya -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I'm not having a lot of free time to make icons (if they work out at all) but i just want to try some. [1] https://fedorahosted.org/echo-icon-theme/wiki/IconThemeStatus/Actions Mark. From markg85 at gmail.com Thu Jan 10 21:58:13 2008 From: markg85 at gmail.com (Mark) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2008 22:58:13 +0100 Subject: [Echo] Some updates. In-Reply-To: <4786928B.8020804@thefinalzone.com> References: <47829C0E.5080907@thefinalzone.com> <6e24a8e80801081047u75a02f10ob970895efdd61cfa@mail.gmail.com> <47840BB8.8090303@thefinalzone.com> <6e24a8e80801091629v680838acgfbb4e65e215a9c1@mail.gmail.com> <4785E6CA.3030902@thefinalzone.com> <6e24a8e80801101318o61240485sae2c287d47655b3a@mail.gmail.com> <4786928B.8020804@thefinalzone.com> Message-ID: <6e24a8e80801101358q2243aba8g532cabb9cfee251e@mail.gmail.com> 2008/1/10, Luya Tshimbalanga : > Mark a ?crit : > > I don't have anymore critics now! it's looking wonderful now! > > just 16x16 isn't fitting in now ^_^ > > > > but for the rest it's a very good job! > > all done with inkscape? > > > Yes, all done with inkscape. I have attached the modified 16x16 to match > other. > > Luya Now quit working on this while it's at it's best ^_^. btw document save(as) are also fine as they are in your last revision. On to the next icon. From luya_tfz at thefinalzone.com Thu Jan 10 22:12:56 2008 From: luya_tfz at thefinalzone.com (Luya Tshimbalanga) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2008 14:12:56 -0800 Subject: Any update on the Echo icon theme status list (and the todo list) In-Reply-To: <6e24a8e80801101355y75a77205qf0d8dc7afa57d91a@mail.gmail.com> References: <6e24a8e80801101355y75a77205qf0d8dc7afa57d91a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <47869868.9020602@thefinalzone.com> Here is the page: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/EchoIconTheme/EchoToDo/Menus Yes, the menu is not up to date yet. There are some small change in rawhide but not worth to get a major change yet. Luya From markg85 at gmail.com Thu Jan 10 22:50:16 2008 From: markg85 at gmail.com (Mark) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2008 23:50:16 +0100 Subject: Any update on the Echo icon theme status list (and the todo list) In-Reply-To: <47869868.9020602@thefinalzone.com> References: <6e24a8e80801101355y75a77205qf0d8dc7afa57d91a@mail.gmail.com> <47869868.9020602@thefinalzone.com> Message-ID: <6e24a8e80801101450x56cbe79aic32f0f4daa4886ba@mail.gmail.com> 2008/1/10, Luya Tshimbalanga : > Here is the page: > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/EchoIconTheme/EchoToDo/Menus > > Yes, the menu is not up to date yet. There are some small change in > rawhide but not worth to get a major change yet. > > Luya Thanx for that. And is the echo icon git repository up to date? The icons i want to give a try: software-installer/updater (third or fourth attempt.. i keep trying this one) package(zip/bzip(2)/tar/rar/arj etc) icons new login (idea: 1. a user icon in front of a screen or 2. a lock in front of a screen) all selinux icons (new star + wall? (like in fireWALL) wine icons (not on the list) I can't promise that i make any of those.. i will just give it a try and hope to show something in the coming days. Mark From martin.sourada at gmail.com Thu Jan 10 23:46:39 2008 From: martin.sourada at gmail.com (Martin Sourada) Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2008 00:46:39 +0100 Subject: Any update on the Echo icon theme status list (and the todo list) In-Reply-To: <6e24a8e80801101450x56cbe79aic32f0f4daa4886ba@mail.gmail.com> References: <6e24a8e80801101355y75a77205qf0d8dc7afa57d91a@mail.gmail.com> <47869868.9020602@thefinalzone.com> <6e24a8e80801101450x56cbe79aic32f0f4daa4886ba@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1200008799.2711.5.camel@pc-notebook> On Thu, 2008-01-10 at 23:50 +0100, Mark wrote: [snip] > package(zip/bzip(2)/tar/rar/arj etc) icons [snip] Would be best if you used the one from lighting section of the guidelines [1]. I can send a SVG of this one only (i.e. not being together with the other icons). Thanks, Martin References: [1] https://fedorahosted.org/echo-icon-theme/wiki/Guidelines -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I can send a SVG of this one only (i.e. not being > together with the other icons). > > Thanks, > Martin > > References: > [1] https://fedorahosted.org/echo-icon-theme/wiki/Guidelines Yea please send it. From markg85 at gmail.com Fri Jan 11 00:43:38 2008 From: markg85 at gmail.com (Mark) Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2008 01:43:38 +0100 Subject: Echo: "system-login-new" attempt Message-ID: <6e24a8e80801101643w2d58d77by19022af47f1b4e1e@mail.gmail.com> Hey, attached is my first attempt at it. it's the default "video-display" together with a modded "user-idle" So what do you think of it? Mark. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: system-login-new.png Type: image/png Size: 4366 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I don't think the > graphic needs numbers to 'explain itself' - rather it's an interesting > idea to have a 9-pointed star shape as the focus of a series of abstract > visual compositions. > - One thing I am happy about with this concept is that beyond the number > 9, it does relate to Fedora: 'endless' and 'cyclic' pretty much > represent 'infinity'. > - What does "algorithm 9483726159" mean? The algorhitm is needed when you want to draw this star by one line, so, tip nine points around the circle and turn the line form 9 to 4, from 4 to 8, and so....this is the magic of this theme... - One last thing, while the shape is endless and cyclic, when I look at > it those aren't the first ideas that come to mind, maybe there is a > better way to visually express that - maybe having arrow heads or some > pointed/directional shapes in the pattern? > > > - Freedom, by Michael > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/F9Themes/Freedom > > - I think the concept of freedom is great but I am not sure that these > visualizations are the best way to communicate that idea. Usage of > imagery about someone escaping being chained up don't always evoke ideas > about 'the good guy was wrongfully jailed but now he is free.' It might > make people thing about escaped 'bad guys' too, or maybe it will make > people think Fedora is a bunch of escaped software pirates. (See what I > mean?) It's not the most positive imagery as is right now, but your last > sketch, the one with the window - I think that one is the best one, as > it puts some emphasis on the positives of freedom. I would make that > window bigger and bolder... or maybe the entire focus. > - As per the above comment, I think maybe this idea could merge with the > "At Last" theme... which I think visually depicts the idea of freedom > but in a more positive way. > - The chain sketch does remind me a bit of the Fedora DNA theme. > Actually at one point I did a series of paintings, each to depict a > different Fedora concept, and the one I did for 'freedom' showed a chain > made out of the Fedora infinity logo getting broken. I don't actually > have access to that graphic right now but if I can find it I will send > it to you. I did have some struggles with it visually to make it look > like a broken chain - if I just drew a broken chain without using the > infinity symbol to do it then it wouldn't relate to the other paintings > in the set (which were entirely constructed of Fedora logo parts, see > [1] and [2]) > > > - Waves, by Martin http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/F9Themes/Waves > > - I really like the idea of this one - the main reason is that > waves/water are very natural, and we have gotten a lot of feedback about > how folks would like to see more 'natural' themes in Fedora. GNOME > upstream also has been working to bring 'nature' to the desktop so it > also fits nicely with what they are doing. But it is 'nature' our way - > water is symbolized by blue as is Fedora. > - This is very calming imagery - especially the first sketch. Very good > for a computer which may at times be quite frustrating. :) It really > reminds me of a Japanese zen garden (as I mentioned on the page) and the > pattern of the stones. > - I *love* *love* *love* the suggestion from TrondDanielsen - "I think > it would be cool if the pattern would change during the day to make the > waves propagate outward just like the current theme changes colors > during the day." That would be SO awesome!!!! > - I think the 2nd sketch is the weakest. It seems very mathematical and > abstract, and I guess I am very excited about the idea of bringing > 'nature' to a very 'unnatural' thing (a computer) so I am least > enthusiastic about this one. We just had an abstract/wavy-line theme in > f8 so the change the other two sketches suggest are much more exciting > to me. > > > - Night, by Mola http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/F9Themes/Night > > - I am not sure how this relates to Fedora conceptually at all? There > doesn't seem to be an explanation? > - It seems very similar to f7's theme in basic layout and I think it > would be cool if we did something more fresh. > - I guess I can't really say much else. :( The scene is drawn nicely but > I don't see how it relates to Fedora. > > > Electric Sphere, by Mola > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/F9Themes/electric-sphere > > - Again I am not sure how this relates to Fedora conceptually. What is > it trying to say? > > > - At Last, by Andrew > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/F9Themes/AtLast > > - The first time I saw this it reminded me of some of the images GNOME > uses for GUADEC (the major annual GNOME conference): > http://www.guadec.org/files/jumping_0.png > - This is an interesting idea but as others have commented it might be > weird to show faceless people or show photos of people nobody knows in a > theme. What might be cool is getting many pictures of Fedora > contributors (anyone going to FUDcon this weekend?) and using those are > the 'models' > - I think using just one person is bad. Use many and make this about > community as well. > - The pose the guy is in is a bit strange - it looks like a yoga pose > maybe. > - As mentioned earlier i think this idea meshes well with the 'Freedom' > proposal. You could maybe show the guy or some people indoors in front > of a window with a beautiful scene (maybe the 'night' proposal scene > during daylight! :) ) > > > - Shoowa, by Luya http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/F9Themes/Shoowa > > - I think the pattern is very interesting - I am not sure I fully > understand the cultural context behind these patterns though. Can you > explain their meaning / connotations a bit more? What is the cloth used > for? Who makes it? Do the patterns symbolized anything? What is the > cloth made out of? etc. Do any of these have implications that relate to > Fedora? > > Hope this feedback is useful! > > ~m > > [1] > http://www.flickr.com/photos/mairin/176275450/in/set-72157594181459782/ > (that one is community) > [2] http://flickr.com/photos/mairin/176275449/in/set-72157594181459782/ > (that one is infinity) > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list > JJM -- I'm still learning English... Ji?? Jakub Ma?ek - Mr Jiri Jakub Masek Moravia, Czech Republic, European Union -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From luya_tfz at thefinalzone.com Fri Jan 11 08:47:33 2008 From: luya_tfz at thefinalzone.com (Luya Tshimbalanga) Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2008 00:47:33 -0800 Subject: Round 1 In-Reply-To: <478630D6.7060502@redhat.com> References: <4785D573.9030201@nicubunu.ro> <478630D6.7060502@redhat.com> Message-ID: <47872D25.1050302@thefinalzone.com> M?ir?n Duffy a ?crit : > - I think the pattern is very interesting - I am not sure I fully > understand the cultural context behind these patterns though. Can you > explain their meaning / connotations a bit more? There are a variation of meaning depending the complexity of the pattern. They are based on natural element such as footprint, animal shape to name a few. There is 150 different patterns, each with their own name. > What is the cloth used for? Decoration, ceremony, funeral ritual, gift and money. Note that shoowa is also a velvet. > Who makes it? Both men and women (woven and embroiled with no visible stitches respectively) Women from Kuba people including the sub group with the same name (Shoowa) from Democratic of Congo. Henri Matisse design was also inspired from the Kuba. > Do the patterns symbolized anything? They symbolize the rank of the makers depending the complexity of the patterns. > What is the cloth made out of? A shoowa is made of fiber of raffia palm as the basis. Coloured versions use plant dye while royal version has additional small shells. > Do any of these have implications that relate to > Fedora? > It represents the diversity of skills, balance and rhythm from the community balance and rhythm. The ideas are to create a variety of geometrical pattern corresponding to the days of week. It does not have to be overly complicate hence the reason to use basic shape instead. More information is available on www.shoowa.com and there is series of images of shoowa velvet displaying various patterns. http://www.hamillgallery.com/KUBA/KUBAShoowa/KubaS.html Luya From luya_tfz at thefinalzone.com Fri Jan 11 08:52:52 2008 From: luya_tfz at thefinalzone.com (Luya Tshimbalanga) Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2008 00:52:52 -0800 Subject: Echo: "system-login-new" attempt In-Reply-To: <6e24a8e80801101643w2d58d77by19022af47f1b4e1e@mail.gmail.com> References: <6e24a8e80801101643w2d58d77by19022af47f1b4e1e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <47872E64.4080602@thefinalzone.com> Mark a ?crit : > Hey, > > attached is my first attempt at it. > it's the default "video-display" together with a modded "user-idle" > > So what do you think of it? > > Mark. > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ It looks too dark and it will be hard to see the icon on small size especially 22x22 and 24x24. I suggest to look to this page[1] as reference to help you out and make sure to read Echo guideline[2]. Luya [1] http://people.freedesktop.org/~jimmac/icons/ [2] https://fedorahosted.org/echo-icon-theme/wiki/Guidelines -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From markg85 at gmail.com Fri Jan 11 09:12:45 2008 From: markg85 at gmail.com (Mark) Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2008 10:12:45 +0100 Subject: Echo: "system-login-new" attempt In-Reply-To: <47872E64.4080602@thefinalzone.com> References: <6e24a8e80801101643w2d58d77by19022af47f1b4e1e@mail.gmail.com> <47872E64.4080602@thefinalzone.com> Message-ID: <6e24a8e80801110112t6cd2c09ld2f7da1fe0668638@mail.gmail.com> > It looks too dark and it will be hard to see the icon on small size > especially 22x22 and 24x24. I suggest to look to this page[1] as reference > to help you out and make sure to read Echo guideline[2]. > > > Luya Hey, i can't find a system-login-new in that link. and i was thinking it was to dark as well. and i will try to comply with the guidelines stay tuned for an update From martin.sourada at gmail.com Fri Jan 11 10:02:49 2008 From: martin.sourada at gmail.com (Martin Sourada) Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2008 11:02:49 +0100 Subject: Any update on the Echo icon theme status list (and the todo list) In-Reply-To: <6e24a8e80801101637q6ed7959fwd1b7e0ccc7870baa@mail.gmail.com> References: <6e24a8e80801101355y75a77205qf0d8dc7afa57d91a@mail.gmail.com> <47869868.9020602@thefinalzone.com> <6e24a8e80801101450x56cbe79aic32f0f4daa4886ba@mail.gmail.com> <1200008799.2711.5.camel@pc-notebook> <6e24a8e80801101637q6ed7959fwd1b7e0ccc7870baa@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1200045769.2711.6.camel@pc-notebook> On Fri, 2008-01-11 at 01:37 +0100, Mark wrote: > 2008/1/11, Martin Sourada : > > On Thu, 2008-01-10 at 23:50 +0100, Mark wrote: > > [snip] > > > package(zip/bzip(2)/tar/rar/arj etc) icons > > [snip] > > > > Would be best if you used the one from lighting section of the > > guidelines [1]. I can send a SVG of this one only (i.e. not being > > together with the other icons). > > > > Thanks, > > Martin > > > > References: > > [1] https://fedorahosted.org/echo-icon-theme/wiki/Guidelines > > Yea please send it. > Here it is. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: package-x-generic48.svg Type: image/svg+xml Size: 39362 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Takes the first 3 digits as a HEX number and % it by 360 and then rotate the shape that many degrees. 2. Take the fourth and the fivth digits and increase the R by the amount of the fourth digit if the fifth digit % 2 is positive. 3. Take the sixth and the seventh digits and do the same for G. 4. Take the eighth and the ninth digits and do the same for B. etc... This way, the usrer's privacy won't be comprimised, and we can still brag about giving the users different backgrounds, which is somethig that no other distro have done (just a guess). What do you think? -- Laith Juwaidah http://www.ljuwaidah.org/ From gerold at lugd.org Fri Jan 11 12:25:01 2008 From: gerold at lugd.org (Gerold) Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2008 13:25:01 +0100 (CET) Subject: Round 1 In-Reply-To: <200801111454.29024.ljuwaida@fedoraproject.org> References: <4785D573.9030201@nicubunu.ro> <478630D6.7060502@redhat.com> <47872D25.1050302@thefinalzone.com> <200801111454.29024.ljuwaida@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <4012.217.162.12.42.1200054301.squirrel@www.gbc.net> > I have an idea, since we don't want the code to be put on the screen > because > that'll comprimise the user's privacy, and all, why don't we create a > small > pattern that'll change the background depending on the code, well, parts > of > the code. > I don't know how the code looks like but I'll just assume it's something > like > this: 67c1e19532a4c47461486a5d8ad3ac74 (which is "Fedora 9"'s md5sum :D > In this case we can create an algorithm that does the following (it's just > an > example): > 1. Takes the first 3 digits as a HEX number and % it by 360 and then > rotate > the shape that many degrees. > 2. Take the fourth and the fivth digits and increase the R by the amount > of > the fourth digit if the fifth digit % 2 is positive. > 3. Take the sixth and the seventh digits and do the same for G. > 4. Take the eighth and the ninth digits and do the same for B. > > etc... > This way, the usrer's privacy won't be comprimised, and we can still brag > about giving the users different backgrounds, which is somethig that no > other > distro have done (just a guess). > > What do you think? ^^ I think every "goodie" which makes the maschine (a little more) unique is good, the user who sits in front of the maschine think and maybe say: "HEY, this is MY 'number' nobody else in the world has this Wallpaper/Background like me ..." but he will find several other Fedora user which have a likewise. This identifies you then to be part of a greater community :-) Just my thoughts Gerold From jakub.rusinek at gmail.com Fri Jan 11 13:11:30 2008 From: jakub.rusinek at gmail.com (Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek) Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2008 14:11:30 +0100 Subject: Echo: "system-login-new" attempt In-Reply-To: <6e24a8e80801110112t6cd2c09ld2f7da1fe0668638@mail.gmail.com> References: <6e24a8e80801101643w2d58d77by19022af47f1b4e1e@mail.gmail.com> <47872E64.4080602@thefinalzone.com> <6e24a8e80801110112t6cd2c09ld2f7da1fe0668638@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <5e92ee3f0801110511h58424a3q553acdc7ef0e7d04@mail.gmail.com> 22x22/24x24 are the most important sizes of this icon. -- Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek http://liviopl.jogger.pl/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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You sure like to repeat things that have already been said.. please just post about the icon. i will for now only post the 48x48 till that looks good. than the smaller sizes can be expected. From luya_tfz at thefinalzone.com Sat Jan 12 08:32:30 2008 From: luya_tfz at thefinalzone.com (Luya Tshimbalanga) Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2008 00:32:30 -0800 Subject: [Echo] set of Multimedia-volume-control icons Message-ID: <47887B1E.9050601@thefinalzone.com> New set of icons made named multimedia-volume-control derived from gnome version.[1] Luya http://luya.fedorapeople.org/images/echo/apps/multimedia-volume-control16.png http://luya.fedorapeople.org/images/echo/apps/multimedia-volume-control16.png http://luya.fedorapeople.org/images/echo/apps/multimedia-volume-control22.png http://luya.fedorapeople.org/images/echo/apps/multimedia-volume-control22.svg http://luya.fedorapeople.org/images/echo/apps/multimedia-volume-control24.png http://luya.fedorapeople.org/images/echo/apps/multimedia-volume-control24.svg http://luya.fedorapeople.org/images/echo/apps/multimedia-volume-control32.png http://luya.fedorapeople.org/images/echo/apps/multimedia-volume-control32.svg http://luya.fedorapeople.org/images/echo/apps/multimedia-volume-control48.png http://luya.fedorapeople.org/images/echo/apps/multimedia-volume-control48.svg Reference: [1]http://people.freedesktop.org/~jimmac/icons/ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Perhaps making it brighter might help. > http://luya.fedorapeople.org/images/echo/apps/multimedia-volume-control22.png > http://luya.fedorapeople.org/images/echo/apps/multimedia-volume-control22.svg > > http://luya.fedorapeople.org/images/echo/apps/multimedia-volume-control24.png > http://luya.fedorapeople.org/images/echo/apps/multimedia-volume-control24.svg > For isometric icons we use the isometric perspective for 22x22 and 24x24 as well. It's flat for action icons (as the on the table perspective really does not work for such small sizes). > http://luya.fedorapeople.org/images/echo/apps/multimedia-volume-control32.png > http://luya.fedorapeople.org/images/echo/apps/multimedia-volume-control32.svg > > http://luya.fedorapeople.org/images/echo/apps/multimedia-volume-control48.png > http://luya.fedorapeople.org/images/echo/apps/multimedia-volume-control48.svg > It seems rather like real perspective than isometric perspective. Please use the isometric. > > Reference: > [1]http://people.freedesktop.org/~jimmac/icons/ Generally: Looks good, I'd maybe make it a little brighter and move the darkest spot of the gradient on the sides of the button to the right to better follow the lightning. Thanks, Martin -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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(and to dark) > http://luya.fedorapeople.org/images/echo/apps/multimedia-volume-control22.png > http://luya.fedorapeople.org/images/echo/apps/multimedia-volume-control22.svg > > http://luya.fedorapeople.org/images/echo/apps/multimedia-volume-control24.png > http://luya.fedorapeople.org/images/echo/apps/multimedia-volume-control24.svg > > http://luya.fedorapeople.org/images/echo/apps/multimedia-volume-control32.png > http://luya.fedorapeople.org/images/echo/apps/multimedia-volume-control32.svg > > http://luya.fedorapeople.org/images/echo/apps/multimedia-volume-control48.png > http://luya.fedorapeople.org/images/echo/apps/multimedia-volume-control48.svg Those icons are all i bit too dark but looking rather good for the rest. perhaps just a small fix on the isometric perspective like Martin said. From markg85 at gmail.com Sat Jan 12 22:53:46 2008 From: markg85 at gmail.com (Mark) Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2008 23:53:46 +0100 Subject: Echo: "package-x-generic" attempt 10 Message-ID: <6e24a8e80801121453j379d6440p5c38666589fb6bdf@mail.gmail.com> Hey, i've seen a dozen package-x-generic icons of different icon themes that all look better than the current package-x-generic. So i (again) did an attempt to create a good looking one. This icon is partly compatible with the echo guidelines. the only thing that isn't is that light brown isn't in the echo colors. I would like to see that one added. My icon is based on the colors of this package [1]. The main colors in that icon: 1. #efd497 2. #b18e4b 3. #bba370 4. #dcc698 Those are also used in this icon. I think this icon looks good at all the sizes i posted now and bigger is looking fine as well. Smaller (16x16) is still usable but probably not recommended. 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I would > like to see that one added. > > My icon is based on the colors of this package [1]. > The main colors in that icon: > 1. #efd497 > 2. #b18e4b > 3. #bba370 > 4. #dcc698 > > Those are also used in this icon. > I think this icon looks good at all the sizes i posted now and bigger > is looking fine as well. Smaller (16x16) is still usable but probably > not recommended. > > And another issue in echo. 3 shadows aren't possible ;) this shadow is > copied from another package-x-generic but the way the shadow is shown > in it isn't possible in real life (except with multiple light > sources). > > So what do you think? > > [1] http://www.markdbd.com/proyectos/google_reader_notifier/images/install.png To be frank, to me it seems like if the package was looked at through a mist. Could you make stronger outline and use darker colours, I am OK with the package icon I send you (well, after all it were my changes that resulted in that), though it might be a little brighter. But if you brighten it too much it does not fit Echo or even becomes bland. As for the shadows. They aren't supposed to be real (nor completely unreal), but they are supposed to be consistent throughout the whole theme. So the shadow is mostly OK as is. Most is at the back part, and some in the front as well... Oh, and these shadows surely are possible in real world, you'd just need to have the light source close enough... Martin -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From markg85 at gmail.com Sun Jan 13 01:04:00 2008 From: markg85 at gmail.com (Mark) Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2008 02:04:00 +0100 Subject: Echo: "package-x-generic" attempt 10 In-Reply-To: <1200183523.6271.37.camel@pc-notebook> References: <6e24a8e80801121453j379d6440p5c38666589fb6bdf@mail.gmail.com> <1200183523.6271.37.camel@pc-notebook> Message-ID: <6e24a8e80801121704w115d5185ua08131ba45bdcff9@mail.gmail.com> 2008/1/13, Martin Sourada : > > On Sat, 2008-01-12 at 23:53 +0100, Mark wrote: > > Hey, > > > > i've seen a dozen package-x-generic icons of different icon themes > > that all look better than the current package-x-generic. So i (again) > > did an attempt to create a good looking one. > > > > This icon is partly compatible with the echo guidelines. the only > > thing that isn't is that light brown isn't in the echo colors. I would > > like to see that one added. > > > > My icon is based on the colors of this package [1]. > > The main colors in that icon: > > 1. #efd497 > > 2. #b18e4b > > 3. #bba370 > > 4. #dcc698 > > > > Those are also used in this icon. > > I think this icon looks good at all the sizes i posted now and bigger > > is looking fine as well. Smaller (16x16) is still usable but probably > > not recommended. > > > > And another issue in echo. 3 shadows aren't possible ;) this shadow is > > copied from another package-x-generic but the way the shadow is shown > > in it isn't possible in real life (except with multiple light > > sources). > > > > So what do you think? > > > > [1] http://www.markdbd.com/proyectos/google_reader_notifier/images/install.png > > To be frank, to me it seems like if the package was looked at through a > mist. Could you make stronger outline and use darker colours, I am OK > with the package icon I send you (well, after all it were my changes > that resulted in that), though it might be a little brighter. But if you > brighten it too much it does not fit Echo or even becomes bland. > > As for the shadows. They aren't supposed to be real (nor completely > unreal), but they are supposed to be consistent throughout the whole > theme. So the shadow is mostly OK as is. Most is at the back part, and > some in the front as well... Oh, and these shadows surely are possible > in real world, you'd just need to have the light source close enough... > > Martin Oke, i will make a darker border around it but the package itself isn't gonna be darker! making it darker means making it ugly in this case. I will post new images somewhere tomorrow. And could you add a light brown to the guideline? From luya_tfz at thefinalzone.com Sun Jan 13 05:00:49 2008 From: luya_tfz at thefinalzone.com (Luya Tshimbalanga) Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2008 21:00:49 -0800 Subject: [Echo] set of Multimedia-volume-control icons In-Reply-To: <1200128637.6271.19.camel@pc-notebook> References: <47887B1E.9050601@thefinalzone.com> <1200128637.6271.19.camel@pc-notebook> Message-ID: <47899B01.306@thefinalzone.com> New update about the set of multimedia-volume-control. Luya References ---------- http://luya.fedorapeople.org/images/echo/apps/multimedia-volume-control16a.png http://luya.fedorapeople.org/images/echo/apps/multimedia-volume-control16a.png http://luya.fedorapeople.org/images/echo/apps/multimedia-volume-control22a.png http://luya.fedorapeople.org/images/echo/apps/multimedia-volume-control22a.svg http://luya.fedorapeople.org/images/echo/apps/multimedia-volume-control24a.png http://luya.fedorapeople.org/images/echo/apps/multimedia-volume-control24a.svg http://luya.fedorapeople.org/images/echo/apps/multimedia-volume-control32a.png http://luya.fedorapeople.org/images/echo/apps/multimedia-volume-control32a.svg http://luya.fedorapeople.org/images/echo/apps/multimedia-volume-control48a.png http://luya.fedorapeople.org/images/echo/apps/multimedia-volume-control48a.svg -- ??D0 From luya_tfz at thefinalzone.com Sun Jan 13 05:07:56 2008 From: luya_tfz at thefinalzone.com (Luya Tshimbalanga) Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2008 21:07:56 -0800 Subject: [Echo] set of Multimedia-volume-control icons In-Reply-To: <6e24a8e80801121049l4978a26em68a29d65e94bf4a6@mail.gmail.com> References: <47887B1E.9050601@thefinalzone.com> <6e24a8e80801121049l4978a26em68a29d65e94bf4a6@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <47899CAC.1030303@thefinalzone.com> Mark a ?crit : > 2008/1/12, Luya Tshimbalanga : > >> New set of icons made named multimedia-volume-control derived from gnome >> version.[1] >> >> Luya >> >> http://luya.fedorapeople.org/images/echo/apps/multimedia-volume-control16.png >> http://luya.fedorapeople.org/images/echo/apps/multimedia-volume-control16.png >> > > Sorry to say bit it looks more like a gear icon.. (and to dark) > > Updated. >> http://luya.fedorapeople.org/images/echo/apps/multimedia-volume-control22.png >> http://luya.fedorapeople.org/images/echo/apps/multimedia-volume-control22.svg >> > Those icons are all i bit too dark but looking rather good for the rest. > perhaps just a small fix on the isometric perspective like Martin said. > > > Fixed. See reply to Martin. Luya -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From martin.sourada at gmail.com Sun Jan 13 11:20:11 2008 From: martin.sourada at gmail.com (Martin Sourada) Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2008 12:20:11 +0100 Subject: Echo: "package-x-generic" attempt 10 In-Reply-To: <6e24a8e80801121704w115d5185ua08131ba45bdcff9@mail.gmail.com> References: <6e24a8e80801121453j379d6440p5c38666589fb6bdf@mail.gmail.com> <1200183523.6271.37.camel@pc-notebook> <6e24a8e80801121704w115d5185ua08131ba45bdcff9@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1200223211.6271.44.camel@pc-notebook> On Sun, 2008-01-13 at 02:04 +0100, Mark wrote: > 2008/1/13, Martin Sourada : > > > > On Sat, 2008-01-12 at 23:53 +0100, Mark wrote: > > > Hey, > > > > > > i've seen a dozen package-x-generic icons of different icon themes > > > that all look better than the current package-x-generic. So i (again) > > > did an attempt to create a good looking one. > > > > > > This icon is partly compatible with the echo guidelines. the only > > > thing that isn't is that light brown isn't in the echo colors. I would > > > like to see that one added. > > > > > > My icon is based on the colors of this package [1]. > > > The main colors in that icon: > > > 1. #efd497 > > > 2. #b18e4b > > > 3. #bba370 > > > 4. #dcc698 > > > > > > Those are also used in this icon. > > > I think this icon looks good at all the sizes i posted now and bigger > > > is looking fine as well. Smaller (16x16) is still usable but probably > > > not recommended. > > > > > > And another issue in echo. 3 shadows aren't possible ;) this shadow is > > > copied from another package-x-generic but the way the shadow is shown > > > in it isn't possible in real life (except with multiple light > > > sources). > > > > > > So what do you think? > > > > > > [1] http://www.markdbd.com/proyectos/google_reader_notifier/images/install.png > > > > To be frank, to me it seems like if the package was looked at through a > > mist. Could you make stronger outline and use darker colours, I am OK > > with the package icon I send you (well, after all it were my changes > > that resulted in that), though it might be a little brighter. But if you > > brighten it too much it does not fit Echo or even becomes bland. > > > > As for the shadows. They aren't supposed to be real (nor completely > > unreal), but they are supposed to be consistent throughout the whole > > theme. So the shadow is mostly OK as is. Most is at the back part, and > > some in the front as well... Oh, and these shadows surely are possible > > in real world, you'd just need to have the light source close enough... > > > > Martin > > Oke, i will make a darker border around it but the package itself > isn't gonna be darker! Than it most likely will not be in the echo-icon-theme. It's just to much brighter than the rest of the theme and does not would not work good with the rest (though by itself it might be very nice). > making it darker means making it ugly in this case. That's your opinion, mine is on the contrary. > I will post new images somewhere tomorrow. Cool. > And could you add a light brown to the guideline? > Nope, we are not going add any more brown hues to the guidelines. We have enough brown there already and you are not tied to the very hues that are in the guidelines, but it should look like it IS based of the colour palette in guidelines, which your bright package is clearly not. Though to me it really seems like if it was proper echo icon, only viewed through mist. Thinking about it, you should maybe play with the contrast... Martin -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Please > use darker colour on the outlines than on the icon itself. Brighter > borders work good only in some special cases (or with dark icons). > > Martin And here is the promised update. It's amazing what a simple border color change can do in a image. the complete image now looks darker than before while it's really only the border that's changed. comments and critics? -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: package-x-generic22c.png Type: image/png Size: 1255 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: package-x-generic24c.png Type: image/png Size: 1431 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: package-x-generic32c.png Type: image/png Size: 2101 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Please > > use darker colour on the outlines than on the icon itself. Brighter > > borders work good only in some special cases (or with dark icons). > > > > Martin > > And here is the promised update. > It's amazing what a simple border color change can do in a image. the > complete image now looks darker than before while it's really only the > border that's changed. > > comments and critics? > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list > > > Isn't it too bright? -- Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek http://liviopl.jogger.pl/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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So i think it fits perfectly. 2008/1/13, Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek : > 2008/1/13, Mark : > > > > 2008/1/13, Martin Sourada : > > > Hm, I've just opened it in ikscape to see why it looks like looked at > > > through mist, and the main problem here is clearly the outline. Please > > > use darker colour on the outlines than on the icon itself. Brighter > > > borders work good only in some special cases (or with dark icons). > > > > > > Martin > > > > And here is the promised update. > > It's amazing what a simple border color change can do in a image. the > > complete image now looks darker than before while it's really only the > > border that's changed. > > > > comments and critics? > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Fedora-art-list mailing list > > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list > > > > > > > > Isn't it too bright? > > -- > Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek > http://liviopl.jogger.pl/ > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list > > From martin.sourada at gmail.com Sun Jan 13 15:48:47 2008 From: martin.sourada at gmail.com (Martin Sourada) Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2008 16:48:47 +0100 Subject: [Echo] set of Multimedia-volume-control icons In-Reply-To: <6e24a8e80801130648g37ceb836w54765600eab93d06@mail.gmail.com> References: <47887B1E.9050601@thefinalzone.com> <1200128637.6271.19.camel@pc-notebook> <47899B01.306@thefinalzone.com> <6e24a8e80801130620y105409c5x335c70a940b697cf@mail.gmail.com> <6e24a8e80801130648g37ceb836w54765600eab93d06@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1200239327.6271.51.camel@pc-notebook> On Sun, 2008-01-13 at 15:48 +0100, Mark wrote: > 2008/1/13, Mark : > > 2008/1/13, Luya Tshimbalanga : > > > New update about the set of multimedia-volume-control. > > > > > > Luya > > > > > > References > > > ---------- > > > http://luya.fedorapeople.org/images/echo/apps/multimedia-volume-control16a.png > > > http://luya.fedorapeople.org/images/echo/apps/multimedia-volume-control16a.png > > > > Drop the gear like type.. > > the rest looks better now though sizes smaller than 48x48 and bigger > > than 16x16 might still be a bit to dark > > Oke i made one for you. > see the attached file(s). 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It's not only about how bright it physically is, but also how bright it feels, and in that case you need to compare it with icons that will be together with it. I created an image where I compare folder-network (since it has both globe which is used for more mimetypes and a folder which is quite often seen in nautilus), your package-x-generic and the one from guidelines. You can compare for yourself. I think you should see that your package looks odd among the other two (while good by itself). Solution offers itself. Make it darker and make the colours more vibrant, or take the one from guidelines and work a little on the gradients if you think it is too dark. Martin -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: compare.png Type: image/png Size: 9749 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From markg85 at gmail.com Sun Jan 13 16:31:36 2008 From: markg85 at gmail.com (Mark) Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2008 17:31:36 +0100 Subject: Echo: "package-x-generic" attempt 10 In-Reply-To: <1200240234.6271.59.camel@pc-notebook> References: <6e24a8e80801121453j379d6440p5c38666589fb6bdf@mail.gmail.com> <1200223407.6271.48.camel@pc-notebook> <6e24a8e80801130627l5a10f672jb6766afa2da8c084@mail.gmail.com> <5e92ee3f0801130636x3d7a5a5jed4bd76652322add@mail.gmail.com> <6e24a8e80801130653o5e3b3d69s6b3c4c15f5385e76@mail.gmail.com> <1200240234.6271.59.camel@pc-notebook> Message-ID: <6e24a8e80801130831m6bac2563hf242c9ce2454c03a@mail.gmail.com> 2008/1/13, Martin Sourada : > > On Sun, 2008-01-13 at 15:53 +0100, Mark wrote: > > the preferences-desktop icon is about as bright as this one is now. > > So i think it fits perfectly. > > > Not at all (IMO). It's not only about how bright it physically is, but > also how bright it feels, and in that case you need to compare it with > icons that will be together with it. I created an image where I compare > folder-network (since it has both globe which is used for more mimetypes > and a folder which is quite often seen in nautilus), your > package-x-generic and the one from guidelines. You can compare for > yourself. I think you should see that your package looks odd among the > other two (while good by itself). > > Solution offers itself. Make it darker and make the colours more > vibrant, or take the one from guidelines and work a little on the > gradients if you think it is too dark. > > Martin i could redo all the folder icons in the same colors as this box of mine ^_^ than it will fit in echo. but seriously. the current package icon is way to dark.. and if you make the comparison than please do it with the new globe you made (the one with the stars(?) in it) than it might fit better. From markg85 at gmail.com Sun Jan 13 16:44:59 2008 From: markg85 at gmail.com (Mark) Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2008 17:44:59 +0100 Subject: [Echo] set of Multimedia-volume-control icons In-Reply-To: <1200239327.6271.51.camel@pc-notebook> References: <47887B1E.9050601@thefinalzone.com> <1200128637.6271.19.camel@pc-notebook> <47899B01.306@thefinalzone.com> <6e24a8e80801130620y105409c5x335c70a940b697cf@mail.gmail.com> <6e24a8e80801130648g37ceb836w54765600eab93d06@mail.gmail.com> <1200239327.6271.51.camel@pc-notebook> Message-ID: <6e24a8e80801130844ge677991g424ddf277d4dd533@mail.gmail.com> 2008/1/13, Martin Sourada : > > On Sun, 2008-01-13 at 15:48 +0100, Mark wrote: > This one is great! > > Martin Thanx Martin! you don't often say that for icons (that i've made). Mark. From valent.turkovic at gmail.com Sun Jan 13 18:24:34 2008 From: valent.turkovic at gmail.com (Valent Turkovic) Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2008 19:24:34 +0100 Subject: A Thought About F9 Artwork In-Reply-To: <1199898116.15892.25.camel@pc-notebook.kolej.mff.cuni.cz> References: <1199213133.4762.9.camel@localhost.localdomain> <477A9D2F.7050407@silverorange.com> <4784FB1E.4080509@gmail.com> <1199898116.15892.25.camel@pc-notebook.kolej.mff.cuni.cz> Message-ID: <64b14b300801131024r1a17cb4co3f5bcb498d24c255@mail.gmail.com> Martin Sourada wrote: On Wed, 2008-01-09 at 17:49 +0100, Valent Turkovic wrote: Steven Garrity wrote: Please look these two screenshots: http://bayimg.com/MAIAIaaBLhttp://bayimg.com/MAiagaABL One is FC6 and other is F8. Can you make the difference. The differences are subtle, too subtle and too bland IMHO. I would love to see Fedora 9 get the gtk theme it deserves. So slowing down design really sound bad to me. Valent. I saw these two quite long quite a long ago and you were told, that the difference is obvious, though subtle. As for the Fedora 9 gtk theme. So far this [1] seems what will be in Fedora 9, although there is still room for improvement. But why don't you come up with something awesome yourself? We are all doing our best while you seem to just rant about how things would be better. Because I have no actual creative talent but as I said in my email I have an critic eye and I have been volonteering as a critic for my friends and family for over 10 years - they are photographers, designers, 3d modelers and artists and I'm really respected for my constructive criticism. I can't create a new gtk theme but I can say to you if one sucks or or if it rocks. You can look for yourself for some ideas: http://browse.deviantart.com/customization/skins/linuxutil/gnome/gtk2/?order=9&alltime=yes http://www.gnome-look.org/index.php?xsortmode=down&page=0&xcontentmode=100 There are lots of great themes. 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I would >> love to see Fedora !blue for at least one release - it would be >> refreshing. > > Everyone has their own personal tastes and opinions on the artwork. > Unfortunately, only a very small percentage of those folks actually > contribute to the artwork. If you would like to truly influence the > artwork though, you will need to take a more active, participatory role > on the art team. It have the ability to bring some really talented people to fedora and they will contribute, but they use proprietary tools (photoshop and the like). Is that forbidden to use non OSS apps in making fedora themes? I heard that before in some post but I wasn't sure so please clarify. > This list is, for the most part, for the art team members to coordinate > and discuss contributions to the artwork. While we do like hearing > feedback from a variety of users, please understand that can cannot > please everyone nor should it be expected that we cater to any > particular piece of feedback we receive. In the past we have been asked > to try colors other than blue and were met with a lot of negative > feedback. I do not know if it is worth another try. I saw some older posts... I can't believe what people said about purple color. I was also amazed to hear that as did you from what I saw. > If you have a particular concept or design that you would like to mock > up and share with us that does not use the color blue, I am sure we > would all be interested in seeing it, but please do not expect that > someone will do it for you just because you mentioned it here. > > ~m Sure. Thank you. Valent. From jakub.rusinek at gmail.com Sun Jan 13 19:07:33 2008 From: jakub.rusinek at gmail.com (Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek) Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2008 20:07:33 +0100 Subject: Echo: "package-x-generic" attempt 10 In-Reply-To: <6e24a8e80801130831m6bac2563hf242c9ce2454c03a@mail.gmail.com> References: <6e24a8e80801121453j379d6440p5c38666589fb6bdf@mail.gmail.com> <1200223407.6271.48.camel@pc-notebook> <6e24a8e80801130627l5a10f672jb6766afa2da8c084@mail.gmail.com> <5e92ee3f0801130636x3d7a5a5jed4bd76652322add@mail.gmail.com> <6e24a8e80801130653o5e3b3d69s6b3c4c15f5385e76@mail.gmail.com> <1200240234.6271.59.camel@pc-notebook> <6e24a8e80801130831m6bac2563hf242c9ce2454c03a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <5e92ee3f0801131107q466102a8k8967d1ee631935c@mail.gmail.com> 2008/1/13, Mark : > > 2008/1/13, Martin Sourada : > > > > On Sun, 2008-01-13 at 15:53 +0100, Mark wrote: > > > the preferences-desktop icon is about as bright as this one is now. > > > So i think it fits perfectly. > > > > > Not at all (IMO). It's not only about how bright it physically is, but > > also how bright it feels, and in that case you need to compare it with > > icons that will be together with it. I created an image where I compare > > folder-network (since it has both globe which is used for more mimetypes > > and a folder which is quite often seen in nautilus), your > > package-x-generic and the one from guidelines. You can compare for > > yourself. I think you should see that your package looks odd among the > > other two (while good by itself). > > > > Solution offers itself. Make it darker and make the colours more > > vibrant, or take the one from guidelines and work a little on the > > gradients if you think it is too dark. > > > > Martin > > i could redo all the folder icons in the same colors as this box of > mine ^_^ than it will fit in echo. > but seriously. the current package icon is way to dark.. and if you > make the comparison than please do it with the new globe you made (the > one with the stars(?) in it) than it might fit better. > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list > Leave the folders alone! They're alive, full of live, colors. Your box looks dead :> . -- Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek http://liviopl.jogger.pl/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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From jspaleta at gmail.com Mon Jan 14 05:30:54 2008 From: jspaleta at gmail.com (Jeff Spaleta) Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2008 20:30:54 -0900 Subject: Round 1 In-Reply-To: <4785EB1B.7090204@nicubunu.ro> References: <4785D573.9030201@nicubunu.ro> <37822.217.162.12.42.1199956617.squirrel@www.gbc.net> <4785EB1B.7090204@nicubunu.ro> Message-ID: <604aa7910801132130r11034d3cwd63193f57705b10a@mail.gmail.com> On Jan 10, 2008 12:53 AM, Nicu Buculei wrote: > > When you'll install a new system, you'll get a unique (smolt-system) > > id-number; maybe it is possible that that id-nummer is the "code" shown at > > your dsktop?! > > > > So everybody has his "own unique" Desktop wallpaper/theme and also maybe > > with the changing color as in F8??? > > Wow! That would be indeed cool, to have your own code somewhere (it may > be even a bar code). This is NOT a good idea. The whole point of the smolt ids are that they are suppose to be somewhat anonymous. If the id numbers are encoded into the desktop, by default, without people's knowledge, then people doing screencasts using the default desktops are essentially leaking smolt id information without their express knowledge. You want to use another random algorithm based on system entropy to produce uniqueness..fine... but don't use the smolt id as the basis of the uniquness for the desktop image generation in any way please. Considering the choices made concerning how smolt operates I would have a real hard time support seeing any such smolt id based graphics generation being shipped in fedora. It's not self-consistent with the effort put into smolt to get the id's anonymous. -jef"Hey instead of the smolt id, for US citizens lets encoded the social security number into the desktop image"spaleta From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Mon Jan 14 06:09:22 2008 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 11:39:22 +0530 Subject: A Thought About F9 Artwork In-Reply-To: <478A5F57.5070703@gmail.com> References: <1199213133.4762.9.camel@localhost.localdomain> <477A9D2F.7050407@silverorange.com> <200801020130.34708.ljuwaida@fedoraproject.org> <477AC333.80802@redhat.com> <4784FD61.6000602@gmail.com> <47850758.2090106@redhat.com> <478A5F57.5070703@gmail.com> Message-ID: <478AFC92.7000709@fedoraproject.org> Valent Turkovic wrote: > > It have the ability to bring some really talented people to fedora and > they will contribute, but they use proprietary tools (photoshop and the > like). Is that forbidden to use non OSS apps in making fedora themes? I > heard that before in some post but I wasn't sure so please clarify. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork I don't think it is a rule but using the tools within Fedora is definitely strongly encouraged. Rahul From ljuwaida at fedoraproject.org Mon Jan 14 06:13:41 2008 From: ljuwaida at fedoraproject.org (Laith Juwaidah) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 10:13:41 +0400 Subject: Round 1 In-Reply-To: <604aa7910801132130r11034d3cwd63193f57705b10a@mail.gmail.com> References: <4785D573.9030201@nicubunu.ro> <37822.217.162.12.42.1199956617.squirrel@www.gbc.net> <4785EB1B.7090204@nicubunu.ro> <604aa7910801132130r11034d3cwd63193f57705b10a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Jan 14, 2008 9:30 AM, Jeff Spaleta wrote: > On Jan 10, 2008 12:53 AM, Nicu Buculei wrote: > > > When you'll install a new system, you'll get a unique (smolt-system) > > > id-number; maybe it is possible that that id-nummer is the "code" > shown at > > > your dsktop?! > > > > > > So everybody has his "own unique" Desktop wallpaper/theme and also > maybe > > > with the changing color as in F8??? > > > > Wow! That would be indeed cool, to have your own code somewhere (it may > > be even a bar code). > > This is NOT a good idea. The whole point of the smolt ids are that > they are suppose to be somewhat anonymous. If the id numbers are > encoded into the desktop, by default, without people's knowledge, then > people doing screencasts using the default desktops are essentially > leaking smolt id information without their express knowledge. > > You want to use another random algorithm based on system entropy to > produce uniqueness..fine... but don't use the smolt id as the basis of > the uniquness for the desktop image generation in any way please. > Considering the choices made concerning how smolt operates I would > have a real hard time support seeing any such smolt id based graphics > generation being shipped in fedora. It's not self-consistent with the > effort put into smolt to get the id's anonymous. What do you suggest? > > > -jef"Hey instead of the smolt id, for US citizens lets encoded the > social security number into the desktop image"spaleta > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list > -- Laith Juwaidah http://www.ljuwaidah.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jspaleta at gmail.com Mon Jan 14 06:33:51 2008 From: jspaleta at gmail.com (Jeff Spaleta) Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2008 21:33:51 -0900 Subject: Round 1 In-Reply-To: References: <4785D573.9030201@nicubunu.ro> <37822.217.162.12.42.1199956617.squirrel@www.gbc.net> <4785EB1B.7090204@nicubunu.ro> <604aa7910801132130r11034d3cwd63193f57705b10a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <604aa7910801132233s5d641r6f75a31e353e7d0c@mail.gmail.com> 2008/1/13 Laith Juwaidah : > What do you suggest? I'm not going to suggest anything because I personally do not like the idea of generating a background for uniqueness for a default. And that's as far as I'm going to go with my personal opinion to avoid shutting down a discussion that may hold a more palatable concept as other people think about it. I'm open to persuasion generally. But the idea of the re-using the smolt id for theis sort of automatic uniqueness is definitely a specific implementation to be discouraged, because there was a deliberate effort to restrict what smolt does so that it doesn't leak information. Re-using the smolt id, in anyway for anything runs the risk of doing exactly that. Some people may very well want to do it, but I very much doubt its not going to be a technology that Fedora as a project will actively encourage people to use. I wouldn't want to encourage to use an ssh key or password to algorithmically generate a desktop image, and i think we should respect the smolt id in a similar fashion. -jef From gimpguy2000 at hotmail.com Mon Jan 14 07:10:13 2008 From: gimpguy2000 at hotmail.com (Paul Krupski) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 02:10:13 -0500 Subject: Fedora-art-list Digest, Vol 22, Issue 42 In-Reply-To: <20080114002222.D94E972ECF@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20080114002222.D94E972ECF@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: Hi all, I have been signed up to help for some time, but never did find out who to email and such so I hope no one minds me throwing in a "hello" here. My name is Paul and I don't really know where to begin. For one, I don't have Fedora right now since my hard drive took a powder and Fedora with it. Anyway, I do a lot of graphics with Gimp and have had numerous jobs, won contests, and even offered a teaching job at our local college to teach Graphics with Gimp. So, being I would like to help out in any way I can, if there is anything, opinion, CG work, etc... that I can do, I would be glad to help. Thanks all, Paul > From: fedora-art-list-request at redhat.com > Subject: Fedora-art-list Digest, Vol 22, Issue 42 > To: fedora-art-list at redhat.com > Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2008 19:22:22 -0500 > > Send Fedora-art-list mailing list submissions to > fedora-art-list at redhat.com > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > fedora-art-list-request at redhat.com > > You can reach the person managing the list at > fedora-art-list-owner at redhat.com > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Fedora-art-list digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: A Thought About F9 Artwork (Valent Turkovic) > 2. Re: A Thought About F9 Artwork (Valent Turkovic) > 3. Re: Echo: "package-x-generic" attempt 10 (Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek) > 4. Re: [Echo] set of Multimedia-volume-control icons > (Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek) > 5. Re: [Echo] set of Multimedia-volume-control icons > (Luya Tshimbalanga) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2008 19:24:34 +0100 > From: "Valent Turkovic" > Subject: Re: A Thought About F9 Artwork > To: "Discussions about the artwork included with Fedora, including > icons, themes, and wallpapers." > Message-ID: > <64b14b300801131024r1a17cb4co3f5bcb498d24c255 at mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Martin Sourada wrote: > > On Wed, 2008-01-09 at 17:49 +0100, Valent Turkovic wrote: > > Steven Garrity wrote: > Please look these two screenshots: > http://bayimg.com/MAIAIaaBLhttp://bayimg.com/MAiagaABL > > One is FC6 and other is F8. > > Can you make the difference. The differences are subtle, too subtle and > too bland IMHO. I would love to see Fedora 9 get the gtk theme it deserves. > > So slowing down design really sound bad to me. > > Valent. > > > > I saw these two quite long quite a long ago and you were told, that the > difference is obvious, though subtle. > > As for the Fedora 9 gtk theme. So far this [1] seems what will be in > Fedora 9, although there is still room for improvement. But why don't > you come up with something awesome yourself? We are all doing our best > while you seem to just rant about how things would be better. > > Because I have no actual creative talent but as I said in my email I have > an critic eye and I have been volonteering as a critic for my friends and > family for over 10 years - they are photographers, designers, 3d modelers > and artists and I'm really respected for my constructive criticism. > > I can't create a new gtk theme but I can say to you if one sucks or or if it > rocks. > > You can look for yourself for some ideas: > http://browse.deviantart.com/customization/skins/linuxutil/gnome/gtk2/?order=9&alltime=yes > http://www.gnome-look.org/index.php?xsortmode=down&page=0&xcontentmode=100 > > There are lots of great themes. > > I don't work for fedora ArtTeam but I'm a long time fedora desktop user and > I would love to see some improvements in how fedora looks. I know that lot > of people work hard and I really appreciate it, and I have seen what great > designs they have done ( > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-art-list/attachments/20080113/3a6cc0be/attachment.html > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2008 19:58:31 +0100 > From: Valent Turkovic > Subject: Re: A Thought About F9 Artwork > To: "Discussions about the artwork included with Fedora, including > icons, themes, and wallpapers." > Message-ID: <478A5F57.5070703 at gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > M?ir?n Duffy wrote: > > Hi Valent, > > > > Valent Turkovic wrote: > >> M?ir?n Duffy wrote: > >>> Whenever we try anything that is !blue, we get a whole lot of negative > >>> feedback. People like to look at the colors far more symbolically than > >>> they should I think. > >>> > >>> ~m > >>> > >> > >> I don't like opensuse in particular but they have made a break from > >> blue in latest release - now its green, and it looks great! I would > >> love to see Fedora !blue for at least one release - it would be > >> refreshing. > > > > Everyone has their own personal tastes and opinions on the artwork. > > Unfortunately, only a very small percentage of those folks actually > > contribute to the artwork. If you would like to truly influence the > > artwork though, you will need to take a more active, participatory role > > on the art team. > > It have the ability to bring some really talented people to fedora and > they will contribute, but they use proprietary tools (photoshop and the > like). Is that forbidden to use non OSS apps in making fedora themes? I > heard that before in some post but I wasn't sure so please clarify. > > > This list is, for the most part, for the art team members to coordinate > > and discuss contributions to the artwork. While we do like hearing > > feedback from a variety of users, please understand that can cannot > > please everyone nor should it be expected that we cater to any > > particular piece of feedback we receive. In the past we have been asked > > to try colors other than blue and were met with a lot of negative > > feedback. I do not know if it is worth another try. > > I saw some older posts... I can't believe what people said about purple > color. I was also amazed to hear that as did you from what I saw. > > > If you have a particular concept or design that you would like to mock > > up and share with us that does not use the color blue, I am sure we > > would all be interested in seeing it, but please do not expect that > > someone will do it for you just because you mentioned it here. > > > > ~m > > > Sure. Thank you. > > Valent. > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2008 20:07:33 +0100 > From: "Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek" > Subject: Re: Echo: "package-x-generic" attempt 10 > To: "Discussions about the artwork included with Fedora, including > icons, themes, and wallpapers." > Message-ID: > <5e92ee3f0801131107q466102a8k8967d1ee631935c at mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > 2008/1/13, Mark : > > > > 2008/1/13, Martin Sourada : > > > > > > On Sun, 2008-01-13 at 15:53 +0100, Mark wrote: > > > > the preferences-desktop icon is about as bright as this one is now. > > > > So i think it fits perfectly. > > > > > > > Not at all (IMO). It's not only about how bright it physically is, but > > > also how bright it feels, and in that case you need to compare it with > > > icons that will be together with it. I created an image where I compare > > > folder-network (since it has both globe which is used for more mimetypes > > > and a folder which is quite often seen in nautilus), your > > > package-x-generic and the one from guidelines. You can compare for > > > yourself. I think you should see that your package looks odd among the > > > other two (while good by itself). > > > > > > Solution offers itself. Make it darker and make the colours more > > > vibrant, or take the one from guidelines and work a little on the > > > gradients if you think it is too dark. > > > > > > Martin > > > > i could redo all the folder icons in the same colors as this box of > > mine ^_^ than it will fit in echo. > > but seriously. the current package icon is way to dark.. and if you > > make the comparison than please do it with the new globe you made (the > > one with the stars(?) in it) than it might fit better. > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Fedora-art-list mailing list > > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list > > > > Leave the folders alone! They're alive, full of live, colors. > Your box looks dead :> . > > -- > Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek > http://liviopl.jogger.pl/ > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-art-list/attachments/20080113/6d907875/attachment.html > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2008 20:09:07 +0100 > From: "Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek" > Subject: Re: [Echo] set of Multimedia-volume-control icons > To: "Discussions about the artwork included with Fedora, including > icons, themes, and wallpapers." > Message-ID: > <5e92ee3f0801131109w608dcb1axa503b792fd8cc41a at mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > 2008/1/13, Mark : > > > > 2008/1/13, Martin Sourada : > > > > > > On Sun, 2008-01-13 at 15:48 +0100, Mark wrote: > > > This one is great! > > > > > > Martin > > > > Thanx Martin! > > you don't often say that for icons (that i've made). > > > > Mark. > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Fedora-art-list mailing list > > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list > > > > It's good to critique. 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I'm open to persuasion generally. > > But the idea of the re-using the smolt id for theis sort of automatic > uniqueness is definitely a specific implementation to be discouraged, > because there was a deliberate effort to restrict what smolt does so > that it doesn't leak information. Re-using the smolt id, in anyway for > anything runs the risk of doing exactly that. Some people may very > well want to do it, but I very much doubt its not going to be a > technology that Fedora as a project will actively encourage people to > use. I wouldn't want to encourage to use an ssh key or password to > algorithmically generate a desktop image, and i think we should > respect the smolt id in a similar fashion. The idea of using smolt to generate unique backgrounds is that it will encourage people to send their profiles. Plus, all the reviews I read about F8 liked the idea of using an animated background. It'll be a good thing if we use a different trick every new release. In my opinion it's a pretty neat feature, people like "cool" stuff. :) > > > -jef > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list > -- Laith Juwaidah http://www.ljuwaidah.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Mon Jan 14 10:23:14 2008 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 12:23:14 +0200 Subject: Fedora-art-list Digest, Vol 22, Issue 42 In-Reply-To: References: <20080114002222.D94E972ECF@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <478B3812.3020306@nicubunu.ro> Paul Krupski wrote: > > Hi all, Hi and welcome! > I have been signed up to help for some time, but never did find out who > to email and such so I hope no one minds me throwing in a "hello" here. > My name is Paul and I don't really know where to begin. For one, I don't > have Fedora right now since my hard drive took a powder and Fedora with > it. Anyway, I do a lot of graphics with Gimp and have had numerous jobs, > won contests, and even offered a teaching job at our local college to Cool! Can you share? Do you have a Flickr page, deviantART account, personal website or something? > teach Graphics with Gimp. So, being I would like to help out in any way > I can, if there is anything, opinion, CG work, etc... that I can do, I > would be glad to help. On which areas are you interested to work? Icons, desktop graphics, web graphics, printing, something else? For a starting point see http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/ -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From martin.sourada at gmail.com Mon Jan 14 17:12:25 2008 From: martin.sourada at gmail.com (Martin Sourada) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 18:12:25 +0100 Subject: Echo: "system-login-new" attempt In-Reply-To: <5e92ee3f0801130323x30eab83dp6995752e027b1c17@mail.gmail.com> References: <6e24a8e80801101643w2d58d77by19022af47f1b4e1e@mail.gmail.com> <47872E64.4080602@thefinalzone.com> <6e24a8e80801110112t6cd2c09ld2f7da1fe0668638@mail.gmail.com> <5e92ee3f0801110511h58424a3q553acdc7ef0e7d04@mail.gmail.com> <6e24a8e80801111622y5c3b9b8asf6d4dbe97e2842d8@mail.gmail.com> <6e24a8e80801121518m6734c744sd3240ae26f0d9d2@mail.gmail.com> <6e24a8e80801121528m3952967ag1ff0d1257de2a578@mail.gmail.com> <5e92ee3f0801130323x30eab83dp6995752e027b1c17@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1200330745.6271.67.camel@pc-notebook> > That little person... It looks odd. > > > > -- > Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek > http://liviopl.jogger.pl/ I think that as well. Mark, what about using instead of a person the log-in dialogue? You can come with something similar to the gnome icon (I could not find it on the Internet, so I attach it). -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: gdmflexiserver.svg Type: image/svg+xml Size: 25958 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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(a tiny bit lighter would be even better ^_^) > thanx for the update. > > Mark. > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list > Height could be few pixels higher, but it's good ;) . -- Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek http://liviopl.jogger.pl/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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It looks odd. > > > > > > > > -- > > Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek > > http://liviopl.jogger.pl/ > > I think that as well. > > Mark, what about using instead of a person the log-in dialogue? You can > come with something similar to the gnome icon (I could not find it on > the Internet, so I attach it). > > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list > > > It would be nice if Echo would use shared metaphors for all icons. -- Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek http://liviopl.jogger.pl/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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It looks odd. > > > > > > > > -- > > Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek > > http://liviopl.jogger.pl/ > > I think that as well. > > Mark, what about using instead of a person the log-in dialogue? You can > come with something similar to the gnome icon (I could not find it on > the Internet, so I attach it). hmm that would look nice i think.. gonna make the image right now. perhaps using the star from current echo will do the job for that star thing From martin.sourada at gmail.com Mon Jan 14 21:42:15 2008 From: martin.sourada at gmail.com (Martin Sourada) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 22:42:15 +0100 Subject: Echo: "system-login-new" attempt In-Reply-To: <6e24a8e80801141338w739c42d9me4d443cfaf5ee491@mail.gmail.com> References: <6e24a8e80801101643w2d58d77by19022af47f1b4e1e@mail.gmail.com> <47872E64.4080602@thefinalzone.com> <6e24a8e80801110112t6cd2c09ld2f7da1fe0668638@mail.gmail.com> <5e92ee3f0801110511h58424a3q553acdc7ef0e7d04@mail.gmail.com> <6e24a8e80801111622y5c3b9b8asf6d4dbe97e2842d8@mail.gmail.com> <6e24a8e80801121518m6734c744sd3240ae26f0d9d2@mail.gmail.com> <6e24a8e80801121528m3952967ag1ff0d1257de2a578@mail.gmail.com> <5e92ee3f0801130323x30eab83dp6995752e027b1c17@mail.gmail.com> <1200330745.6271.67.camel@pc-notebook> <6e24a8e80801141338w739c42d9me4d443cfaf5ee491@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1200346935.6271.69.camel@pc-notebook> On Mon, 2008-01-14 at 22:38 +0100, Mark wrote: > 2008/1/14, Martin Sourada : > > > > > That little person... It looks odd. > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek > > > http://liviopl.jogger.pl/ > > > > I think that as well. > > > > Mark, what about using instead of a person the log-in dialogue? You can > > come with something similar to the gnome icon (I could not find it on > > the Internet, so I attach it). > > hmm that would look nice i think.. gonna make the image right now. > perhaps using the star from current echo will do the job for that star > thing > Use plus, not star. Star has different meaning in Echo theme. But I don't think we have a plus emblem in isometric perspective yet... Martin -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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It looks odd. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek > > > > http://liviopl.jogger.pl/ > > > > > > I think that as well. > > > > > > Mark, what about using instead of a person the log-in dialogue? You can > > > come with something similar to the gnome icon (I could not find it on > > > the Internet, so I attach it). > > > > hmm that would look nice i think.. gonna make the image right now. > > perhaps using the star from current echo will do the job for that star > > thing > > > Use plus, not star. Star has different meaning in Echo theme. But I > don't think we have a plus emblem in isometric perspective yet... > > Martin I couldn't find a star as well... i will just try to come up with something From markg85 at gmail.com Mon Jan 14 22:06:42 2008 From: markg85 at gmail.com (Mark) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 23:06:42 +0100 Subject: Fedora-art-list Digest, Vol 22, Issue 42 In-Reply-To: References: <20080114002222.D94E972ECF@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <6e24a8e80801141406j590d51a8r1f6455511830e966@mail.gmail.com> 2008/1/14, Paul Krupski : > > > Hi all, Welcome to the Fedora art list > > I have been signed up to help for some time, but never did find out who to > email and such so I hope no one minds me throwing in a "hello" here. My > name is Paul and I don't really know where to begin. For one, I don't have > Fedora right now since my hard drive took a powder and Fedora with it. > Anyway, I do a lot of graphics with Gimp and have had numerous jobs, won > contests, and even offered a teaching job at our local college to teach > Graphics with Gimp. So, being I would like to help out in any way I can, if > there is anything, opinion, CG work, etc... that I can do, I would be glad > to help. > Thanks all, > > Paul i would love to see some of your (art)work! good luck around here Mark From martin.sourada at gmail.com Mon Jan 14 22:14:57 2008 From: martin.sourada at gmail.com (Martin Sourada) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 23:14:57 +0100 Subject: Echo: "system-login-new" attempt In-Reply-To: <6e24a8e80801141350i1d7f5c26mc7dc7fa59445e5ba@mail.gmail.com> References: <6e24a8e80801101643w2d58d77by19022af47f1b4e1e@mail.gmail.com> <6e24a8e80801110112t6cd2c09ld2f7da1fe0668638@mail.gmail.com> <5e92ee3f0801110511h58424a3q553acdc7ef0e7d04@mail.gmail.com> <6e24a8e80801111622y5c3b9b8asf6d4dbe97e2842d8@mail.gmail.com> <6e24a8e80801121518m6734c744sd3240ae26f0d9d2@mail.gmail.com> <6e24a8e80801121528m3952967ag1ff0d1257de2a578@mail.gmail.com> <5e92ee3f0801130323x30eab83dp6995752e027b1c17@mail.gmail.com> <1200330745.6271.67.camel@pc-notebook> <6e24a8e80801141338w739c42d9me4d443cfaf5ee491@mail.gmail.com> <1200346935.6271.69.camel@pc-notebook> <6e24a8e80801141350i1d7f5c26mc7dc7fa59445e5ba@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1200348897.6271.72.camel@pc-notebook> On Mon, 2008-01-14 at 22:50 +0100, Mark wrote: > I couldn't find a star as well... It's attached in the guidelines in the pluses and stars section [1]. Martin References: [1] https://hosted.fedoraproject.org/echo-icon-theme/wiki/Guidelines#PlusesandStars -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Or you can use something similar to this: https://hosted.fedoraproject.org/echo-icon-theme/attachment/wiki/Guidelines/echo-emblem-star-16.svg?format=raw As for it not being in git -- it's not a standalone icon, just an emblem that is used in icons... But we could maybe upload it to the sources folder... Martin -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From luya_tfz at thefinalzone.com Tue Jan 15 04:42:34 2008 From: luya_tfz at thefinalzone.com (Luya Tshimbalanga) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 20:42:34 -0800 Subject: Icons status for smolts.org Message-ID: <478C39BA.2030801@thefinalzone.com> Hi Mike, I read the wiki about icons status for smolts.org. You can use icons from echo-icon-theme[1] under Actions menu and I have linked them on DesignService wiki page[2]. Luya References: [1]https://fedorahosted.org/echo-icon-theme/wiki/IconThemeStatus [2]http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/DesignService From luya_tfz at thefinalzone.com Thu Jan 17 07:31:59 2008 From: luya_tfz at thefinalzone.com (Luya Tshimbalanga) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2008 23:31:59 -0800 Subject: [Echo]accessories-dictionary icon draft and more Message-ID: <478F046F.8020600@thefinalzone.com> I got a busy week with classes and I had quickly designed icons for accessories-dictionary. The draft is rough and you may notice some blurriness on these white typefaces (eer, fonts). Feel free to enhance them. So far, works were done on optimizing faulty SVG icons. Whenever possible, we should focus on creating new icons that are missing[1] while following the guideline[2]. Some items from the menu can be based from the existing Echo icons (for example: media-optical). 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Luya From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Thu Jan 17 09:01:13 2008 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2008 11:01:13 +0200 Subject: Round 2 status? In-Reply-To: <478F087C.50407@thefinalzone.com> References: <478F087C.50407@thefinalzone.com> Message-ID: <478F1959.7010102@nicubunu.ro> Luya Tshimbalanga wrote: > What is the final verdict? The lack of announcement of Round is worrisome. I listed the entries which follow the requirements, so those are initial entries for Round 2. Now is time for their authors and other members of the team to expand upon them, until they meet the requirements for Round 2, hopefully considering the feedback received so far. The deadline for Round 2 is 5 February, until then the themed in Round 1 have to get (quoting Mo): "at least 1 wallpaper and 3 supporting graphics - one that is horizontally long, one that is vertically long, and one that is square in design". Those that will would enter Round 3, the other not. So *now* is the time to create more polished wallpapers and supporting graphics. Even if your proposal was not well received in Round 1, if you have strong feelings about it, add polish, even change the look a bit, and it may be better received in Round 2. -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From jakub.rusinek at gmail.com Thu Jan 17 11:08:51 2008 From: jakub.rusinek at gmail.com (Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek) Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2008 12:08:51 +0100 Subject: [Echo]accessories-dictionary icon draft and more In-Reply-To: <478F046F.8020600@thefinalzone.com> References: <478F046F.8020600@thefinalzone.com> Message-ID: <5e92ee3f0801170308i3fbeca8bs57cdd7940b847ae@mail.gmail.com> 2008/1/17, Luya Tshimbalanga : > > I got a busy week with classes and I had quickly designed icons for > accessories-dictionary. The draft is rough and you may notice some > blurriness on these white typefaces (eer, fonts). Feel free to enhance > them. > > So far, works were done on optimizing faulty SVG icons. Whenever > possible, we should focus on creating new icons that are missing[1] > while following the guideline[2]. Some items from the menu can be based > from the existing Echo icons (for example: media-optical). > > Luya > > References: > ----------------- > [1]http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/EchoIconTheme/EchoToDo/Menus > [2]https://fedorahosted.org/echo-icon-theme/wiki/Guidelines > > -- > ? ? D0 > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list > > > Those letters, abc, are not good visible. Maybe another metaphor for this icon? Eg book with glasses... Dunno... -- Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek http://liviopl.jogger.pl/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From markg85 at gmail.com Thu Jan 17 21:58:51 2008 From: markg85 at gmail.com (Mark) Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2008 22:58:51 +0100 Subject: [Echo]accessories-dictionary icon draft and more In-Reply-To: <5e92ee3f0801170308i3fbeca8bs57cdd7940b847ae@mail.gmail.com> References: <478F046F.8020600@thefinalzone.com> <5e92ee3f0801170308i3fbeca8bs57cdd7940b847ae@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <6e24a8e80801171358k77cd115cr85ea3ac58e57ab9@mail.gmail.com> > Those letters, abc, are not good visible. > Maybe another metaphor for this icon? Eg book with glasses... Dunno... > > -- > Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek Could you try to enhance it? i see you posting in about every new art related subject but you never seem to post your own images or enhancements. @Luya for comments on this icon. the font is indeed looking bad but the book design could be done slightly different as well. Perhaps a hard cover book idea? with a rounded back? [1], [2] and [3] for examples or more: [4] Now i get the idea that this is a calendar with a cover over it ^_^. [1] http://images.inmagine.com/img/photodisc/pdgp035/pdGP035001.jpg [2] http://www.stairway.org/parmer/images/s011476w.jpg [3] http://www1.istockphoto.com/file_thumbview_approve/4009339/2/istockphoto_4009339_books_hemicircle.jpg [4] http://images.google.nl/images?q=book+hardcover&ndsp=18&svnum=100&um=1&hl=nl&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=wi From jakub.rusinek at gmail.com Thu Jan 17 22:31:59 2008 From: jakub.rusinek at gmail.com (Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek) Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2008 23:31:59 +0100 Subject: [Echo]accessories-dictionary icon draft and more In-Reply-To: <6e24a8e80801171358k77cd115cr85ea3ac58e57ab9@mail.gmail.com> References: <478F046F.8020600@thefinalzone.com> <5e92ee3f0801170308i3fbeca8bs57cdd7940b847ae@mail.gmail.com> <6e24a8e80801171358k77cd115cr85ea3ac58e57ab9@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <5e92ee3f0801171431p8cd2c31uf944e0ec36170d13@mail.gmail.com> 2008/1/17, Mark : > > > Those letters, abc, are not good visible. > > Maybe another metaphor for this icon? Eg book with glasses... Dunno... > > > > -- > > Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek > > Could you try to enhance it? i see you posting in about every new art > related subject but you never seem to post your own images or > enhancements. > > @Luya > for comments on this icon. > the font is indeed looking bad but the book design could be done > slightly different as well. > Perhaps a hard cover book idea? with a rounded back? [1], [2] and [3] > for examples or more: [4] > > Now i get the idea that this is a calendar with a cover over it ^_^. > > [1] http://images.inmagine.com/img/photodisc/pdgp035/pdGP035001.jpg > [2] http://www.stairway.org/parmer/images/s011476w.jpg > [3] > http://www1.istockphoto.com/file_thumbview_approve/4009339/2/istockphoto_4009339_books_hemicircle.jpg > [4] > http://images.google.nl/images?q=book+hardcover&ndsp=18&svnum=100&um=1&hl=nl&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=wi > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list > Better if I would not touch icons... For now. Maybe in future I'll learn Inkscape. -- Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek http://liviopl.jogger.pl/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From cacouret at wanadoo.fr Fri Jan 18 23:20:55 2008 From: cacouret at wanadoo.fr (Couret Charles-Antoine) Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2008 00:20:55 +0100 Subject: [Project] To save the graphic memory of Fedora Message-ID: <47913457.8040301@wanadoo.fr> Hello, My name is Charles-Antoine Couret and I am French. I joined Fedora since his 3rd version. And I must acknowledge to re-examine screenshots today preceding versions give me nostalgia, to re-examine the first step under GNU/Linux what is moving. And I only doubt being. It is for that that with some people one had the idea of assembled this project, to safeguard the visual identity of Fedora. Who is amongst other things an inheritance important for els old but also the new ones who discovers Fedora, a certain identity is reflected by this inheritance. You do a formidable work of version in version with extraordinary topics. Only, one cannot replace the emotion which the old topics nor the history gets. It is thus for that that one wants to safeguard all the visual identity of Fedora of each version, the wallpapers while passing by GRUB and to the loading of Fedora and even Anaconda. And in more one wants to provide the possibility of employing them out the box in the future versions of Fedora without making several handling it to have complete. Some will say that there exists bluecurve theme for example in YUM what is true. Only it is incomplete, it misses for example the wallpaper. But also one arrives at an obvious conclusion, current technology does not allow to easily change the image of GRUB or of the loading of Fedora even Anaconda, one would like to benefit from it to create - so possible the tools necessary making the unit possible. Let us not forget that Fedora wants to be with the point of technology, and the strong advantage of GNU/Linux it is personalization until the end, these tools would make it possible to prove these truths. I am unaware of if I made well propose here, but I make Al suggestion of it, in the worst case I would see on another mailing-list for this part. This project in the long term would have - in my opinion to be integrated by defect in the higher versions for the reasons stated higher. One could then occupy oneself of the integration of these topics which for example in KDE is still badly made (change in the icons and the possibilities giving of the buttons without icons for example). Finally one will see that at the desired time. I know that this project is not so useful only that, at least much priority than the topic of Fedora 9 which mobilizes you. But I hold so that you know it, to have of the assistance but also and especially, to officialize the project and to hope in the long term to make it official for a future integration of the unit. Though it is I thank you and I wish you a good continuation. Cordially, Charles-Antoine Couret. PS : the topic start the project : http://forums.fedora-fr.org/viewtopic.php?id=28409 (language French) From mclasen at redhat.com Sat Jan 19 06:40:52 2008 From: mclasen at redhat.com (Matthias Clasen) Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2008 01:40:52 -0500 Subject: multi-resolution backgrounds Message-ID: <1200724852.19210.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> Hey, for a long time now, we've had the problem that we need to install multiple versions of the default background (regular, wide, dual-screen, etc), and leave the user to pick the best one manually. I finally sat down and finished a patch the I had lying around to make the gnome desktop support multi-resolution images. It piggybacks on Soerens animated background work and lets you specify backgrounds like this: 10000 background-small.png background-medium.png background-huge.png This will show up as a single entry in the appearance capplet, and nautilus will pick the best size depending on the screen resolution. I hope to get this into F9 soon, for now, you'll have to use the patch in http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=510554 Matthias From ivazqueznet at gmail.com Sat Jan 19 11:03:25 2008 From: ivazqueznet at gmail.com (Ignacio Vazquez-Abrams) Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2008 06:03:25 -0500 Subject: multi-resolution backgrounds In-Reply-To: <1200724852.19210.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1200724852.19210.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1200740605.9899.13.camel@ignacio.lan> On Sat, 2008-01-19 at 01:40 -0500, Matthias Clasen wrote: > [It] lets you specify backgrounds like this: > > > > 10000 > > background-small.png > background-medium.png > background-huge.png > > > Is the duration tag really necessary, since there's only a single image chosen anyways? -- Ignacio Vazquez-Abrams PLEASE don't CC me; I'm already subscribed -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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It piggybacks on > Soerens animated background work and lets you specify backgrounds like > this: > > > > 10000 > > background-small.png > background-medium.png > background-huge.png > > > > > This will show up as a single entry in the appearance capplet, and > nautilus will pick the best size depending on the screen resolution. > > I hope to get this into F9 soon, for now, you'll have to use the > patch in http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=510554 > > > Matthias Great to have that functionality in Nautilus! now i'm wondering if something like this could be implemented for GDM as well..?? the GDM background for Fedora 8 is a .png image with a size of: 2560 x 1600 and having that auto adjusting to the user display size would be wonderful! or perhaps SVG support in GDM (couldn't both options in gdm's bugzilla)? From mclasen at redhat.com Sat Jan 19 19:23:41 2008 From: mclasen at redhat.com (Matthias Clasen) Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2008 14:23:41 -0500 Subject: multi-resolution backgrounds In-Reply-To: <6e24a8e80801190856r56f01395m5d63e4b1e5e40f46@mail.gmail.com> References: <1200724852.19210.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> <6e24a8e80801190856r56f01395m5d63e4b1e5e40f46@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1200770621.2739.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Sat, 2008-01-19 at 17:56 +0100, Mark wrote: > Great to have that functionality in Nautilus! > now i'm wondering if something like this could be implemented for GDM > as well..?? the GDM background for Fedora 8 is a .png image with a > size of: 2560 x 1600 and having that auto adjusting to the user > display size would be wonderful! > > or perhaps SVG support in GDM (couldn't both options in gdm's bugzilla)? > You should try it...the gdm in rawhide should support the exact same things as the regular desktop, as far as backgrounds are concerned, including animated backgrounds and svg. From jakub.rusinek at gmail.com Sun Jan 20 20:06:46 2008 From: jakub.rusinek at gmail.com (Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek) Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2008 21:06:46 +0100 Subject: nodoka-related bugs in firefox Message-ID: <5e92ee3f0801201206m3340b2dcjfb80a6428b827759@mail.gmail.com> Hi, I've found two bugs in Firefox [1] [2], which are Nodoka-related. Not sure if this is your (Nodoka authors') fault, or their fault. Just wanted to show them to you, if you know, how to fix them. 1| https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=413236 2| https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=413238 -- Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek http://liviopl.jogger.pl/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From martin.sourada at gmail.com Sun Jan 20 21:56:15 2008 From: martin.sourada at gmail.com (Martin Sourada) Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2008 22:56:15 +0100 Subject: nodoka-related bugs in firefox In-Reply-To: <5e92ee3f0801201206m3340b2dcjfb80a6428b827759@mail.gmail.com> References: <5e92ee3f0801201206m3340b2dcjfb80a6428b827759@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1200866175.31829.2.camel@pc-notebook> On Sun, 2008-01-20 at 21:06 +0100, Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek wrote: > Hi, > > I've found two bugs in Firefox [1] [2], which are Nodoka-related. > > Not sure if this is your (Nodoka authors') fault, or their fault. > > Just wanted to show them to you, if you know, how to fix them. > Thanks for the notice. > 1| https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=413236 Not a bug. It is a feature (TM). Not-focused default button in gtk looks precisely like not-focused default button in firefox, which is different (intentionally) from focused button. > 2| https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=413238 > Missing focus was my fault, fixed in git now. Bad focus in address-bar is most likely firefox issue. > -- > Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek > http://liviopl.jogger.pl/ Martin -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From markg85 at gmail.com Sat Jan 19 17:22:07 2008 From: markg85 at gmail.com (Mark) Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2008 18:22:07 +0100 Subject: multi-resolution backgrounds In-Reply-To: <6e24a8e80801190856r56f01395m5d63e4b1e5e40f46@mail.gmail.com> References: <1200724852.19210.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> <6e24a8e80801190856r56f01395m5d63e4b1e5e40f46@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <6e24a8e80801190922w41afe271kdbd8808071d7546f@mail.gmail.com> 2008/1/19, Mark : > 2008/1/19, Matthias Clasen : > > Hey, > > > > for a long time now, we've had the problem that we need to install > > multiple versions of the default background (regular, wide, dual-screen, > > etc), and leave the user to pick the best one manually. > > > > I finally sat down and finished a patch the I had lying around to make > > the gnome desktop support multi-resolution images. It piggybacks on > > Soerens animated background work and lets you specify backgrounds like > > this: > > > > > > > > 10000 > > > > background-small.png > > background-medium.png > > background-huge.png > > > > > > > > > > This will show up as a single entry in the appearance capplet, and > > nautilus will pick the best size depending on the screen resolution. > > > > I hope to get this into F9 soon, for now, you'll have to use the > > patch in http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=510554 > > > > > > Matthias > > Great to have that functionality in Nautilus! > now i'm wondering if something like this could be implemented for GDM > as well..?? the GDM background for Fedora 8 is a .png image with a > size of: 2560 x 1600 and having that auto adjusting to the user > display size would be wonderful! > > or perhaps SVG support in GDM (couldn't both options in gdm's bugzilla)? Oke right after i wrote the above i thought of the following case: What if a user downloaded a wallpaper pack which uses the smart size stuff that Matthias made? than the user would get the wallpaper that's suitable for his size. But what if the user wants (for whatever reason) a different size? i don't see any option of doing that at the moment. So i made a nice mockup of the Appearance Preferences -> Background section and edited in the "Available sizes" option and some example sizes with a radio button that indicates which one is gonna be used. The place in that section is available to put it in. Posted the same on the bugzilla page. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I'm very interested in joining the Fedora Art Team. /Peter From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Mon Jan 21 08:21:20 2008 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2008 10:21:20 +0200 Subject: multi-resolution backgrounds In-Reply-To: <6e24a8e80801190922w41afe271kdbd8808071d7546f@mail.gmail.com> References: <1200724852.19210.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> <6e24a8e80801190856r56f01395m5d63e4b1e5e40f46@mail.gmail.com> <6e24a8e80801190922w41afe271kdbd8808071d7546f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <47945600.5040200@nicubunu.ro> Mark wrote: > Oke right after i wrote the above i thought of the following case: > What if a user downloaded a wallpaper pack which uses the smart size > stuff that Matthias made? than the user would get the wallpaper that's > suitable for his size. > But what if the user wants (for whatever reason) a different size? i > don't see any option of doing that at the moment. Then the user can select directly one of the PNGs instead of the XML, they are available as distinct files. -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Mon Jan 21 08:27:40 2008 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2008 10:27:40 +0200 Subject: Joining the art team In-Reply-To: <479392D4.8060505@gmail.com> References: <479392D4.8060505@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4794577C.6070407@nicubunu.ro> Peter Ahlgren wrote: > Hello. Hi, > My name is Peter Ahlgren, and I'm a freelancing designer from Sweden. Welcome! > I'm very interested in joining the Fedora Art Team. Then subscribe to the mailing list, take part in our conversations and get a look at our wiki page http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/ to see our undergoing projects. -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From duffy at redhat.com Tue Jan 22 15:38:56 2008 From: duffy at redhat.com (=?UTF-8?B?TcOhaXLDrW4gRHVmZnk=?=) Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2008 10:38:56 -0500 Subject: Round 2 Deadline is Feb 5th!! (was Re: Round 2 status?) In-Reply-To: <478F1959.7010102@nicubunu.ro> References: <478F087C.50407@thefinalzone.com> <478F1959.7010102@nicubunu.ro> Message-ID: <47960E10.1060109@redhat.com> Nicu Buculei wrote: > Luya Tshimbalanga wrote: >> What is the final verdict? The lack of announcement of Round is >> worrisome. > > I listed the entries which follow the requirements, so those are initial > entries for Round 2. > Now is time for their authors and other members of the team to expand > upon them, until they meet the requirements for Round 2, hopefully > considering the feedback received so far. > > The deadline for Round 2 is 5 February, until then the themed in Round 1 > have to get (quoting Mo): "at least 1 wallpaper and 3 supporting > graphics - one that is horizontally long, one that is vertically long, > and one that is square in design". > Those that will would enter Round 3, the other not. > > So *now* is the time to create more polished wallpapers and supporting > graphics. > Even if your proposal was not well received in Round 1, if you have > strong feelings about it, add polish, even change the look a bit, and it > may be better received in Round Thanks Nicu for picking up my slack! I apologize I haven't been more vocal here, I have been away for the past week+. Round 2 is definitely on right now, and our current deadline for round 2 is February 5th. ~m From choke at redhat.com Tue Jan 22 16:52:14 2008 From: choke at redhat.com (Colby Hoke) Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2008 11:52:14 -0500 Subject: Hi Fedora Art list! Message-ID: <47961F3E.5010606@redhat.com> Thanks to a suggestion from Nicu Buculei, I've joined this list mostly out of interest in an Art Studio spin of Fedora. I've been working with gdk and jspaleta on getting a Fedora repo-ready version of Kino out there for people to make their own videos in the Fedora world. I'm looking forward to taking that and rolling it into a spin of Fedora that enables anyone to take a camera and make any kind of video from start to finish, with graphics, and put it out there for everyone to see. Anyway, I'm rambling, but I wanted to say hello to everyone! I look forward to working with you all! -- Colby A. Hoke Corporate Marketing [ Producer ] 919.621.8802 From jspaleta at gmail.com Tue Jan 22 17:58:19 2008 From: jspaleta at gmail.com (Jeff Spaleta) Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2008 08:58:19 -0900 Subject: Hi Fedora Art list! In-Reply-To: <47961F3E.5010606@redhat.com> References: <47961F3E.5010606@redhat.com> Message-ID: <604aa7910801220958p2d461abft9d348e3cdba74d33@mail.gmail.com> On Jan 22, 2008 7:52 AM, Colby Hoke wrote: > Thanks to a suggestion from Nicu Buculei, I've joined this list mostly > out of interest in an Art Studio spin of Fedora. I've been working with > gdk and jspaleta on getting a Fedora repo-ready version of Kino out > there for people to make their own videos in the Fedora world. Now that fedoratv is public knowledge let's take a moment and re-cap where things stand on what we've been poking at. Fedoratv needs work, but its basically where we want to drive Fedora related content as a place to dogfood open codecs associated tools by generating our own project relevant content. Open media isn't going to get better until we have a real reason to use it. Fedoratv will be the open service where the Fedora's media needs will be met. But Fedoratv is just the service, we also need to make client side video editting an out-of-box reality. It doesn't have to be perfect, it just has to be good enough so that people can edit content for consumption on fedoratv. Let me explain what we need to be able to ship out-of-the-box in Fedora on the clientside. 1)reliable dv camera capture for some subset of camera hardware 2)kino as the default dv video editor which can export into ogg theora video for upload to fedoratv Okay so where are the problems: First... firewire and dv cameras. There have been some technical problems with the new kernel firewire stack which have seen improvement in update f8 kernels. Speaking of which, Colby, does firewire dv capture work for you in the latest f8 kernels? A basic stripped down kino which can take raw dv and export to theora is absolutely doable. You don't get access to control over interlacing (via gst-ffmpeg plugin) and other things which semi-profession video people will want. But for basic community web content, it will export theora with a vorbis audio stream. On top of that if ffmpeg is on the system kino is smart enough to see it and enable more export options. The only problem is, we've no out-of-the-box way to convert use theora video clips as source material in kino. Kino internally uses dv, and through the magic of ffmpeg it can import other formats and convert them internally to dv. The problem is we don't have a Fedora shippable way to convert theora to dv, as far as I can tell. And that's a problem. It would be extremely useful if people could take theora screencasts as source material into kino to mix with dv footage, and re-export as theora again. Yes, yes.. video purist out there are cringing at the thought of mixing dv and compressed video, but the goal here is good enough for fedoratv.. not good enough for professional sport drink commercials. The state of video is such that we can't wait for a profession quality open editor tool to fall out of the sky. We have to start here, and then find people willing to take up the challenge to create the next generation of open editting tools so we can produce even better content. So how do we get theora vids converted to dv for kino to use as source material? I do not know. Stripping down a version of ffmpeg as something shippable in fedora is a near impossible task, and would require legal review regardless. I haven't found an existing gstreamer plugin that lets me do it that could in the future be promoted to 'good' and shipped in fedora. So if someone knows a way to convert theora to dv out-of-the-box in fedora right now, I want to know how to do it. Kino lets you add custom import scripts, so once we have a commandline way to do the conversion, kino gains it as an import method. -jef From duffy at redhat.com Tue Jan 22 18:02:25 2008 From: duffy at redhat.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?M=E1ir=EDn_Duffy?=) Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2008 13:02:25 -0500 Subject: Hi Fedora Art list! In-Reply-To: <604aa7910801220958p2d461abft9d348e3cdba74d33@mail.gmail.com> References: <47961F3E.5010606@redhat.com> <604aa7910801220958p2d461abft9d348e3cdba74d33@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <47962FB1.9030706@redhat.com> Jeff Spaleta wrote: > On Jan 22, 2008 7:52 AM, Colby Hoke wrote: >> Thanks to a suggestion from Nicu Buculei, I've joined this list mostly >> out of interest in an Art Studio spin of Fedora. I've been working with >> gdk and jspaleta on getting a Fedora repo-ready version of Kino out >> there for people to make their own videos in the Fedora world. > > Now that fedoratv is public knowledge let's take a moment and re-cap > where things stand on what we've been poking at. Is Fedora TV only for video? I've not been around the past week and did not attend fudcon so I know almost nothing about it and would like to know more. ~m From jspaleta at gmail.com Tue Jan 22 18:04:54 2008 From: jspaleta at gmail.com (Jeff Spaleta) Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2008 09:04:54 -0900 Subject: Hi Fedora Art list! In-Reply-To: <47962FB1.9030706@redhat.com> References: <47961F3E.5010606@redhat.com> <604aa7910801220958p2d461abft9d348e3cdba74d33@mail.gmail.com> <47962FB1.9030706@redhat.com> Message-ID: <604aa7910801221004v319143a1pf92c0c3f7693fad@mail.gmail.com> On Jan 22, 2008 9:02 AM, M?ir?n Duffy wrote: > Is Fedora TV only for video? It's what I care about...but i think its for images as well. Just depends on what's actually working :-> -jef From duffy at redhat.com Tue Jan 22 18:06:46 2008 From: duffy at redhat.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?M=E1ir=EDn_Duffy?=) Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2008 13:06:46 -0500 Subject: Hi Fedora Art list! In-Reply-To: <604aa7910801221004v319143a1pf92c0c3f7693fad@mail.gmail.com> References: <47961F3E.5010606@redhat.com> <604aa7910801220958p2d461abft9d348e3cdba74d33@mail.gmail.com> <47962FB1.9030706@redhat.com> <604aa7910801221004v319143a1pf92c0c3f7693fad@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <479630B6.8040401@redhat.com> Jeff Spaleta wrote: > On Jan 22, 2008 9:02 AM, M?ir?n Duffy wrote: >> Is Fedora TV only for video? > > It's what I care about...but i think its for images as well. Just > depends on what's actually working :-> The reason I ask is that this group in particular has been in great need of a better solution for sharing images and their sources other than our wiki which is slow and unreliable. Is there somewhere I can go to find out more about it? ~m From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Tue Jan 22 18:18:42 2008 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2008 23:48:42 +0530 Subject: Hi Fedora Art list! In-Reply-To: <479630B6.8040401@redhat.com> References: <47961F3E.5010606@redhat.com> <604aa7910801220958p2d461abft9d348e3cdba74d33@mail.gmail.com> <47962FB1.9030706@redhat.com> <604aa7910801221004v319143a1pf92c0c3f7693fad@mail.gmail.com> <479630B6.8040401@redhat.com> Message-ID: <47963382.6070100@fedoraproject.org> M?ir?n Duffy wrote: > Jeff Spaleta wrote: >> On Jan 22, 2008 9:02 AM, M?ir?n Duffy wrote: >>> Is Fedora TV only for video? >> >> It's what I care about...but i think its for images as well. Just >> depends on what's actually working :-> > > The reason I ask is that this group in particular has been in great need > of a better solution for sharing images and their sources other than our > wiki which is slow and unreliable. Is there somewhere I can go to find > out more about it? Greg Dek Rahul From duffy at redhat.com Tue Jan 22 18:13:30 2008 From: duffy at redhat.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?M=E1ir=EDn_Duffy?=) Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2008 13:13:30 -0500 Subject: Hi Fedora Art list! In-Reply-To: <47963382.6070100@fedoraproject.org> References: <47961F3E.5010606@redhat.com> <604aa7910801220958p2d461abft9d348e3cdba74d33@mail.gmail.com> <47962FB1.9030706@redhat.com> <604aa7910801221004v319143a1pf92c0c3f7693fad@mail.gmail.com> <479630B6.8040401@redhat.com> <47963382.6070100@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <4796324A.80805@redhat.com> Rahul Sundaram wrote: > M?ir?n Duffy wrote: >> Jeff Spaleta wrote: >>> On Jan 22, 2008 9:02 AM, M?ir?n Duffy wrote: >>>> Is Fedora TV only for video? >>> >>> It's what I care about...but i think its for images as well. Just >>> depends on what's actually working :-> >> >> The reason I ask is that this group in particular has been in great >> need of a better solution for sharing images and their sources other >> than our wiki which is slow and unreliable. Is there somewhere I can >> go to find out more about it? > > Greg Dek Are there any plans to communicate what Fedora TV actually is to people who didn't go to fudcon in a scalable way? ~m From jspaleta at gmail.com Tue Jan 22 18:18:54 2008 From: jspaleta at gmail.com (Jeff Spaleta) Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2008 09:18:54 -0900 Subject: Hi Fedora Art list! In-Reply-To: <4796324A.80805@redhat.com> References: <47961F3E.5010606@redhat.com> <604aa7910801220958p2d461abft9d348e3cdba74d33@mail.gmail.com> <47962FB1.9030706@redhat.com> <604aa7910801221004v319143a1pf92c0c3f7693fad@mail.gmail.com> <479630B6.8040401@redhat.com> <47963382.6070100@fedoraproject.org> <4796324A.80805@redhat.com> Message-ID: <604aa7910801221018k477a0c7bxf1f35518a872a694@mail.gmail.com> On Jan 22, 2008 9:13 AM, M?ir?n Duffy wrote: > Are there any plans to communicate what Fedora TV actually is to people > who didn't go to fudcon in a scalable way? That's what I'm trying to do in this thread! fedoratv is a codebase is pretty rough around the edges. I believe greg is putting the hosts.fedoraproject.org instance in place so that the right people can start tracking issues. The beta on the branding is no lie. -jef From jspaleta at gmail.com Tue Jan 22 18:14:57 2008 From: jspaleta at gmail.com (Jeff Spaleta) Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2008 09:14:57 -0900 Subject: Hi Fedora Art list! In-Reply-To: <479630B6.8040401@redhat.com> References: <47961F3E.5010606@redhat.com> <604aa7910801220958p2d461abft9d348e3cdba74d33@mail.gmail.com> <47962FB1.9030706@redhat.com> <604aa7910801221004v319143a1pf92c0c3f7693fad@mail.gmail.com> <479630B6.8040401@redhat.com> Message-ID: <604aa7910801221014x1f5c48f2t5dc28f8d2c6838fe@mail.gmail.com> On Jan 22, 2008 9:06 AM, M?ir?n Duffy wrote: > The reason I ask is that this group in particular has been in great need > of a better solution for sharing images and their sources other than our > wiki which is slow and unreliable. Is there somewhere I can go to find > out more about it? fedoratv.com is up and running right now. Register an account, upload some svg's and png's... file bugs :-> -jef From jspaleta at gmail.com Tue Jan 22 18:22:15 2008 From: jspaleta at gmail.com (Jeff Spaleta) Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2008 09:22:15 -0900 Subject: Hi Fedora Art list! In-Reply-To: <604aa7910801221018k477a0c7bxf1f35518a872a694@mail.gmail.com> References: <47961F3E.5010606@redhat.com> <604aa7910801220958p2d461abft9d348e3cdba74d33@mail.gmail.com> <47962FB1.9030706@redhat.com> <604aa7910801221004v319143a1pf92c0c3f7693fad@mail.gmail.com> <479630B6.8040401@redhat.com> <47963382.6070100@fedoraproject.org> <4796324A.80805@redhat.com> <604aa7910801221018k477a0c7bxf1f35518a872a694@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <604aa7910801221022m4b00226cq1496a0d73d35d131@mail.gmail.com> On Jan 22, 2008 9:18 AM, Jeff Spaleta wrote: > On Jan 22, 2008 9:13 AM, M?ir?n Duffy wrote: > > Are there any plans to communicate what Fedora TV actually is to people > > who didn't go to fudcon in a scalable way? > > That's what I'm trying to do in this thread! > > fedoratv is a codebase is pretty rough around the edges. > I believe greg is putting the hosts.fedoraproject.org instance in > place so that the right people can start tracking issues. The beta on > the branding is no lie. I just uploaded a fudcon photo. http://fedoratv.com/vlog/spoleeba?photo=1 The browsing is really...rough. My photo is uploaded but its not showing up in the browsable material....but it did in fact upload :-> -jef From duffy at redhat.com Tue Jan 22 18:25:43 2008 From: duffy at redhat.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?M=E1ir=EDn_Duffy?=) Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2008 13:25:43 -0500 Subject: A Thought About F9 Artwork In-Reply-To: <478A5F57.5070703@gmail.com> References: <1199213133.4762.9.camel@localhost.localdomain> <477A9D2F.7050407@silverorange.com> <200801020130.34708.ljuwaida@fedoraproject.org> <477AC333.80802@redhat.com> <4784FD61.6000602@gmail.com> <47850758.2090106@redhat.com> <478A5F57.5070703@gmail.com> Message-ID: <47963527.6080606@redhat.com> Valent Turkovic wrote: > M?ir?n Duffy wrote: >> Hi Valent, >> >> Valent Turkovic wrote: >>> M?ir?n Duffy wrote: >>>> Whenever we try anything that is !blue, we get a whole lot of negative >>>> feedback. People like to look at the colors far more symbolically than >>>> they should I think. >>>> >>>> ~m >>>> >>> >>> I don't like opensuse in particular but they have made a break from >>> blue in latest release - now its green, and it looks great! I would >>> love to see Fedora !blue for at least one release - it would be >>> refreshing. >> >> Everyone has their own personal tastes and opinions on the artwork. >> Unfortunately, only a very small percentage of those folks actually >> contribute to the artwork. If you would like to truly influence the >> artwork though, you will need to take a more active, participatory >> role on the art team. > > It have the ability to bring some really talented people to fedora and > they will contribute, but they use proprietary tools (photoshop and the > like). Is that forbidden to use non OSS apps in making fedora themes? I > heard that before in some post but I wasn't sure so please clarify. I think Nicu or someone else has already answered this by now, but - We would prefer artwork to be created using the free and open source tools which are in many cases installable on most operating systems besides Fedora. There is no hard rule saying they must, though, although we have faced great criticism from within and from outside of the Fedora community for older Fedora versions featuring artwork that was not created using FOSS tools. My preference would be for the artwork to be created in FOSS tools since the learning curve is not that high and the tools are free and embody all the principles that Fedora is about. There is really no excuse. That doesn't really have much to do with what we were talking about, though. ~m From jonathan.roberts.uk at googlemail.com Tue Jan 22 18:23:32 2008 From: jonathan.roberts.uk at googlemail.com (Jonathan Roberts) Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2008 18:23:32 +0000 Subject: Hi Fedora Art list! In-Reply-To: <604aa7910801221018k477a0c7bxf1f35518a872a694@mail.gmail.com> References: <47961F3E.5010606@redhat.com> <604aa7910801220958p2d461abft9d348e3cdba74d33@mail.gmail.com> <47962FB1.9030706@redhat.com> <604aa7910801221004v319143a1pf92c0c3f7693fad@mail.gmail.com> <479630B6.8040401@redhat.com> <47963382.6070100@fedoraproject.org> <4796324A.80805@redhat.com> <604aa7910801221018k477a0c7bxf1f35518a872a694@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1201026212.2691.19.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Tue, 2008-01-22 at 09:18 -0900, Jeff Spaleta wrote: > On Jan 22, 2008 9:13 AM, M?ir?n Duffy wrote: > > Are there any plans to communicate what Fedora TV actually is to people > > who didn't go to fudcon in a scalable way? > > That's what I'm trying to do in this thread! > > fedoratv is a codebase is pretty rough around the edges. > I believe greg is putting the hosts.fedoraproject.org instance in > place so that the right people can start tracking issues. The beta on > the branding is no lie. Can we get together some kind of announcement/interview about this? I love the idea and think it's awesome. It's something that needs to be made *very* prominent in the wider free culture community (not just free software). There's a massive existing community of artists and content creators who, I'm sure would love to get involved in some way with this. a particular name that springs to mind is the Blender Open Movie/Game Project as they're following a very similar philosophy for the development and improvement of Blender. I'd be willing to help, but it would obviously need some input from people in the know... Best wishes, Jon From choke at redhat.com Tue Jan 22 18:41:44 2008 From: choke at redhat.com (Colby Hoke) Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2008 13:41:44 -0500 Subject: Hi Fedora Art list! In-Reply-To: <47963382.6070100@fedoraproject.org> References: <47961F3E.5010606@redhat.com> <604aa7910801220958p2d461abft9d348e3cdba74d33@mail.gmail.com> <47962FB1.9030706@redhat.com> <604aa7910801221004v319143a1pf92c0c3f7693fad@mail.gmail.com> <479630B6.8040401@redhat.com> <47963382.6070100@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <479638E8.5060702@redhat.com> Rahul Sundaram wrote: > M?ir?n Duffy wrote: >> Jeff Spaleta wrote: >>> On Jan 22, 2008 9:02 AM, M?ir?n Duffy wrote: >>>> Is Fedora TV only for video? >>> >>> It's what I care about...but i think its for images as well. Just >>> depends on what's actually working :-> >> >> The reason I ask is that this group in particular has been in great >> need of a better solution for sharing images and their sources other >> than our wiki which is slow and unreliable. Is there somewhere I can >> go to find out more about it? > > Greg Dek > > Rahul > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list FedoraTV is working for images - I'm trying to keep that as I think it's pretty important. I've uploaded a couple so far as tests. It's also supporting audio - I think that's just as important, but I realize that video will be the main reason for it existing. M?ir?n, I would recommend contacting Greg if you want a run-down of how we're going to announce it on a larger scale - I know he's working on an RSS feed right now and we're hoping to throw that around to get more exposure. I'm sure there will be a lot more talk very soon. -- Colby A. Hoke Corporate Marketing [ Producer ] 919.621.8802 From martin.sourada at gmail.com Tue Jan 22 18:47:42 2008 From: martin.sourada at gmail.com (Martin Sourada) Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2008 19:47:42 +0100 Subject: Hi Fedora Art list! In-Reply-To: <604aa7910801220958p2d461abft9d348e3cdba74d33@mail.gmail.com> References: <47961F3E.5010606@redhat.com> <604aa7910801220958p2d461abft9d348e3cdba74d33@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1201027662.31829.6.camel@pc-notebook> On Tue, 2008-01-22 at 08:58 -0900, Jeff Spaleta wrote: > On Jan 22, 2008 7:52 AM, Colby Hoke wrote: > > Thanks to a suggestion from Nicu Buculei, I've joined this list mostly > > out of interest in an Art Studio spin of Fedora. I've been working with > > gdk and jspaleta on getting a Fedora repo-ready version of Kino out > > there for people to make their own videos in the Fedora world. > > Now that fedoratv is public knowledge let's take a moment and re-cap > where things stand on what we've been poking at. > > Fedoratv needs work, but its basically where we want to drive Fedora > related content as a place to dogfood open codecs associated tools by > generating our own project relevant content. Open media isn't going to > get better until we have a real reason to use it. Fedoratv will be the > open service where the Fedora's media needs will be met. > > But Fedoratv is just the service, we also need to make client side > video editting an out-of-box reality. It doesn't have to be perfect, > it just has to be good enough so that people can edit content for > consumption on fedoratv. Let me explain what we need to be able to > ship out-of-the-box in Fedora on the clientside. > 1)reliable dv camera capture for some subset of camera hardware > 2)kino as the default dv video editor which can export into ogg theora > video for upload to fedoratv > > Okay so where are the problems: > First... firewire and dv cameras. There have been some technical > problems with the new kernel firewire stack which have seen > improvement in update f8 kernels. > Speaking of which, Colby, does firewire dv capture work for you in the > latest f8 kernels? > > > A basic stripped down kino which can take raw dv and export to theora > is absolutely doable. > You don't get access to control over interlacing (via gst-ffmpeg > plugin) and other things which semi-profession video people will want. > But for basic community web content, it will export theora with a > vorbis audio stream. On top of that if ffmpeg is on the system kino > is smart enough to see it and enable more export options. > > The only problem is, we've no out-of-the-box way to convert use theora > video clips as source material in kino. Kino internally uses dv, and > through the magic of ffmpeg it can import other formats and convert > them internally to dv. The problem is we don't have a Fedora > shippable way to convert theora to dv, as far as I can tell. And > that's a problem. It would be extremely useful if people could take > theora screencasts as source material into kino to mix with dv > footage, and re-export as theora again. > > Yes, yes.. video purist out there are cringing at the thought of > mixing dv and compressed video, but the goal here is good enough for > fedoratv.. not good enough for professional sport drink commercials. > The state of video is such that we can't wait for a profession quality > open editor tool to fall out of the sky. We have to start here, and > then find people willing to take up the challenge to create the next > generation of open editting tools so we can produce even better > content. > > So how do we get theora vids converted to dv for kino to use as source > material? I do not know. Stripping down a version of ffmpeg as > something shippable in fedora is a near impossible task, and would > require legal review regardless. I haven't found an existing > gstreamer plugin that lets me do it that could in the future be > promoted to 'good' and shipped in fedora. So if someone knows a way > to convert theora to dv out-of-the-box in fedora right now, I want to > know how to do it. Kino lets you add custom import scripts, so once > we have a commandline way to do the conversion, kino gains it as an > import method. > > -jef > Seems cool, one question though. Are you considering using the matroska container for the videos available for download as well? I believe it is superior to ogm/flv in many areas. Thanks, Martin -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From choke at redhat.com Tue Jan 22 18:44:07 2008 From: choke at redhat.com (Colby Hoke) Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2008 13:44:07 -0500 Subject: Hi Fedora Art list! In-Reply-To: <604aa7910801221022m4b00226cq1496a0d73d35d131@mail.gmail.com> References: <47961F3E.5010606@redhat.com> <604aa7910801220958p2d461abft9d348e3cdba74d33@mail.gmail.com> <47962FB1.9030706@redhat.com> <604aa7910801221004v319143a1pf92c0c3f7693fad@mail.gmail.com> <479630B6.8040401@redhat.com> <47963382.6070100@fedoraproject.org> <4796324A.80805@redhat.com> <604aa7910801221018k477a0c7bxf1f35518a872a694@mail.gmail.com> <604aa7910801221022m4b00226cq1496a0d73d35d131@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <47963977.8030303@redhat.com> Jeff Spaleta wrote: > On Jan 22, 2008 9:18 AM, Jeff Spaleta wrote: > >> On Jan 22, 2008 9:13 AM, M?ir?n Duffy wrote: >> >>> Are there any plans to communicate what Fedora TV actually is to people >>> who didn't go to fudcon in a scalable way? >>> >> That's what I'm trying to do in this thread! >> >> fedoratv is a codebase is pretty rough around the edges. >> I believe greg is putting the hosts.fedoraproject.org instance in >> place so that the right people can start tracking issues. The beta on >> the branding is no lie. >> > > I just uploaded a fudcon photo. > http://fedoratv.com/vlog/spoleeba?photo=1 > > > The browsing is really...rough. My photo is uploaded but its not > showing up in the browsable material....but it did in fact upload :-> > > -jef > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list > I'll approve it! Right now we have it set up so that only a handful of people can approve content - that's Greg and myself, so far - I think. But, I check it pretty often, so start putting things up there - I'll keep up. -- Colby A. Hoke Corporate Marketing [ Producer ] 919.621.8802 From jspaleta at gmail.com Tue Jan 22 18:54:25 2008 From: jspaleta at gmail.com (Jeff Spaleta) Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2008 09:54:25 -0900 Subject: Hi Fedora Art list! In-Reply-To: <47963977.8030303@redhat.com> References: <47961F3E.5010606@redhat.com> <604aa7910801220958p2d461abft9d348e3cdba74d33@mail.gmail.com> <47962FB1.9030706@redhat.com> <604aa7910801221004v319143a1pf92c0c3f7693fad@mail.gmail.com> <479630B6.8040401@redhat.com> <47963382.6070100@fedoraproject.org> <4796324A.80805@redhat.com> <604aa7910801221018k477a0c7bxf1f35518a872a694@mail.gmail.com> <604aa7910801221022m4b00226cq1496a0d73d35d131@mail.gmail.com> <47963977.8030303@redhat.com> Message-ID: <604aa7910801221054x62ebafe8k5bb906fd801f02bc@mail.gmail.com> On Jan 22, 2008 9:44 AM, Colby Hoke wrote: > I'll approve it! > > Right now we have it set up so that only a handful of people can approve > content - that's Greg and myself, so far - I think. I forgot about that. But there is still a bug in there in relation to My Stuff display. I have videos(1) and photos(0) listed... but in reality have have no videos and 1 photo uploaded. It looks like something is miscounting my photo as a video internally -jef From jspaleta at gmail.com Tue Jan 22 18:59:14 2008 From: jspaleta at gmail.com (Jeff Spaleta) Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2008 09:59:14 -0900 Subject: Hi Fedora Art list! In-Reply-To: <1201026212.2691.19.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <47961F3E.5010606@redhat.com> <604aa7910801220958p2d461abft9d348e3cdba74d33@mail.gmail.com> <47962FB1.9030706@redhat.com> <604aa7910801221004v319143a1pf92c0c3f7693fad@mail.gmail.com> <479630B6.8040401@redhat.com> <47963382.6070100@fedoraproject.org> <4796324A.80805@redhat.com> <604aa7910801221018k477a0c7bxf1f35518a872a694@mail.gmail.com> <1201026212.2691.19.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <604aa7910801221059h16490fe7o52ef6149b412e69f@mail.gmail.com> On Jan 22, 2008 9:23 AM, Jonathan Roberts wrote: > Can we get together some kind of announcement/interview about this? I'm not sure if its time for that much attention. The interface is rough, real rough. I think I want to make damn sure that we are ready to community exactly where bugs and development discussion are going to be going. The whole point of a first interview has to be 'this is an experiment and we need your help' It's somewhat of a moving target, so I don't want to people to get the wrong impression that the featureset being exposed is..stable. Greg would be the best person to interview i think. The Fedoratv codebase that is up and running is a fork of a fork of wordpress...essentially. I want to make sure Greg is ready to open the floodgates for contribution... the right floodgates. -jef From choke at redhat.com Tue Jan 22 18:56:21 2008 From: choke at redhat.com (Colby Hoke) Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2008 13:56:21 -0500 Subject: Hi Fedora Art list! In-Reply-To: <604aa7910801221054x62ebafe8k5bb906fd801f02bc@mail.gmail.com> References: <47961F3E.5010606@redhat.com> <604aa7910801220958p2d461abft9d348e3cdba74d33@mail.gmail.com> <47962FB1.9030706@redhat.com> <604aa7910801221004v319143a1pf92c0c3f7693fad@mail.gmail.com> <479630B6.8040401@redhat.com> <47963382.6070100@fedoraproject.org> <4796324A.80805@redhat.com> <604aa7910801221018k477a0c7bxf1f35518a872a694@mail.gmail.com> <604aa7910801221022m4b00226cq1496a0d73d35d131@mail.gmail.com> <47963977.8030303@redhat.com> <604aa7910801221054x62ebafe8k5bb906fd801f02bc@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <47963C55.2040407@redhat.com> Jeff Spaleta wrote: > On Jan 22, 2008 9:44 AM, Colby Hoke wrote: > >> I'll approve it! >> >> Right now we have it set up so that only a handful of people can approve >> content - that's Greg and myself, so far - I think. >> > > I forgot about that. But there is still a bug in there in relation to > My Stuff display. > I have videos(1) and photos(0) listed... but in reality have have no > videos and 1 photo uploaded. It looks like something is miscounting > my photo as a video internally > > -jef > yeah, the counter thing is totally jacked right now. i'm having problems even uploading anything at the moment... beta is the new alpha, so far. Greg's gonna talk to James today, I believe. -- Colby A. Hoke Corporate Marketing [ Producer ] 919.621.8802 From jspaleta at gmail.com Tue Jan 22 19:01:41 2008 From: jspaleta at gmail.com (Jeff Spaleta) Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2008 10:01:41 -0900 Subject: Hi Fedora Art list! In-Reply-To: <479638E8.5060702@redhat.com> References: <47961F3E.5010606@redhat.com> <604aa7910801220958p2d461abft9d348e3cdba74d33@mail.gmail.com> <47962FB1.9030706@redhat.com> <604aa7910801221004v319143a1pf92c0c3f7693fad@mail.gmail.com> <479630B6.8040401@redhat.com> <47963382.6070100@fedoraproject.org> <479638E8.5060702@redhat.com> Message-ID: <604aa7910801221101k27b6cd98m50c51eef064ec49a@mail.gmail.com> On Jan 22, 2008 9:41 AM, Colby Hoke wrote: > FedoraTV is working for images - I'm trying to keep that as I think it's > pretty important. I've uploaded a couple so far as tests. It's also > supporting audio - I think that's just as important, Audio only content will be HUGE. Once we start making competent screencasted activity tutorials... being able to submit alternative audio tracks for videos makes it a hell of a lot easier to re-compose localized versions of the vids without having to re-shoot the vids. -jef From jonathan.roberts.uk at googlemail.com Tue Jan 22 19:00:42 2008 From: jonathan.roberts.uk at googlemail.com (Jonathan Roberts) Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2008 19:00:42 +0000 Subject: Hi Fedora Art list! In-Reply-To: <604aa7910801221059h16490fe7o52ef6149b412e69f@mail.gmail.com> References: <47961F3E.5010606@redhat.com> <604aa7910801220958p2d461abft9d348e3cdba74d33@mail.gmail.com> <47962FB1.9030706@redhat.com> <604aa7910801221004v319143a1pf92c0c3f7693fad@mail.gmail.com> <479630B6.8040401@redhat.com> <47963382.6070100@fedoraproject.org> <4796324A.80805@redhat.com> <604aa7910801221018k477a0c7bxf1f35518a872a694@mail.gmail.com> <1201026212.2691.19.camel@localhost.localdomain> <604aa7910801221059h16490fe7o52ef6149b412e69f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1201028442.2691.20.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Tue, 2008-01-22 at 09:59 -0900, Jeff Spaleta wrote: > On Jan 22, 2008 9:23 AM, Jonathan Roberts > wrote: > > Can we get together some kind of announcement/interview about this? > > I'm not sure if its time for that much attention. The interface is > rough, real rough. I think I want to make damn sure that we are ready > to community exactly where bugs and development discussion are going > to be going. The whole point of a first interview has to be 'this is > an experiment and we need your help' It's somewhat of a moving > target, so I don't want to people to get the wrong impression that the > featureset being exposed is..stable. > > Greg would be the best person to interview i think. The Fedoratv > codebase that is up and running is a fork of a fork of > wordpress...essentially. I want to make sure Greg is ready to open > the floodgates for contribution... the right floodgates. Sure thing, thanks for the feedback :) Jon > > -jef > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list From gerold at lugd.org Tue Jan 22 20:17:07 2008 From: gerold at lugd.org (Gerold Kassube) Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2008 21:17:07 +0100 Subject: Linuxtag 2008, Berlin, Germany Message-ID: <1201033027.3468.30.camel@F8NB.homenet.local> ***************************** *** english Version below *** ***************************** Hallo zusammen! Wie Ihr sicher schon der Homepage des Linuxtages [1] entnommen habt, ist der Linuxtag in diesem Jahr wieder in Berlin. Er findet in der Zeit vom 28. Mai bis einschl. 31. Mai 2008 statt. Fedora wird wieder mit einem gr??eren Stand vertreten sein, welcher vom "Linuxtag Team" der Fedora Ambassadors [2] organisiert wird. Wir w?rden uns freuen, wenn a.) von der Community Leute auf den Linuxtag kommen und b.) Der Eine oder Andere sich angesprochen f?hlt und mitmachen m?chte. Wir versprechen jede Menge Spass, Arbeit, Fun und die M?glichkeit viele Gr??en der Linux-Community einmal live zu erleben. Mit an 100%-tiger Wahrscheinlichkeit wird Paul Frields [3] den Fedora Project Verantwortlichen sowie auch Max Spevack [4] seinen Vorg?nger am Linuxtag von Fedora-Seite aus vertreten sein. Wer Interesse hat mitzuarbeiten, sei es als "Standpersonal" oder im "OrgaTeam" der m?ge sich bitte melden! * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Dear *, maybe you all noticed from the homepage of Linuxtag [1] that the event is again in Berlin this year. He will take place from 2008-05-28 till 2008-05-31. The Fedora Project will be present with a bigger booth, which will be organized by the "Linuxtag Team" of the Fedora Ambassadors [2]. We would be pleased, if a.) Community Member will visit us at the LInuxtag and b.) the one or other will feel spoken to help and attend us as team. We can promise a lot of fun, work and the possibility to meet in person some honors of the worldwide Linux community live. Not per 100% for sure, but we hope that Paul Frields [3] as Fedora Project Leader and also Max Spevack [4] as former Project Leader will be present. Who is interested in teamwork, maybe as "booth personal" nor in the "OrgaTeam" fell free and contact me or someone out of the team ... [1] http://www.linuxtag.org/2008 [2] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FedoraEvents/LinuxTag/LinuxTag2008/FLTT [3] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/PaulWFrields [4] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/MaxSpevack -- Regards Gerold Kassube Fedora Ambassador Deutschland / Germany Schweiz / Switzerland Email: GeroldKa at fedoraproject.org 1024D/F33128B9 4ABC A903 F1F4 D9CC C422 AACA EDF1 DF42 F331 28B9 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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In-Reply-To: <47963977.8030303@redhat.com> References: <47961F3E.5010606@redhat.com> <604aa7910801220958p2d461abft9d348e3cdba74d33@mail.gmail.com> <47962FB1.9030706@redhat.com> <604aa7910801221004v319143a1pf92c0c3f7693fad@mail.gmail.com> <479630B6.8040401@redhat.com> <47963382.6070100@fedoraproject.org> <4796324A.80805@redhat.com> <604aa7910801221018k477a0c7bxf1f35518a872a694@mail.gmail.com> <604aa7910801221022m4b00226cq1496a0d73d35d131@mail.gmail.com> <47963977.8030303@redhat.com> Message-ID: <604aa7910801221629k6a3a7bdbw47cc974ffd68d1c@mail.gmail.com> On Jan 22, 2008 9:44 AM, Colby Hoke wrote: > I'll approve it! > > Right now we have it set up so that only a handful of people can approve > content - that's Greg and myself, so far - I think. > > But, I check it pretty often, so start putting things up there - I'll > keep up. If the Art team is going to play with using this for workflow. I think you'll need to quickly give review rights to two or three art team members and start sharing the workload. Also I'm not sure if fedoratv does it.. but you might look into a authorization model where once a user has 'enough' trusted submissions without an issue then you flag them as trusted and you no longer pre-approve all their stuff. Instead you just smack'em on the head if they do something stupid after becoming trusted. It's the same model that the http://io9.com blog uses for comment submitters. You start out on probation, where all your posts are screened by a moderator, then once the editorial staff think your trustworthy you get your stuff approved automatically. And then there is a way for other users to flag material as abusive which moderators can review and then put your arse back on probation. -jef From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Wed Jan 23 07:15:12 2008 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2008 09:15:12 +0200 Subject: Hi Fedora Art list! In-Reply-To: <604aa7910801221014x1f5c48f2t5dc28f8d2c6838fe@mail.gmail.com> References: <47961F3E.5010606@redhat.com> <604aa7910801220958p2d461abft9d348e3cdba74d33@mail.gmail.com> <47962FB1.9030706@redhat.com> <604aa7910801221004v319143a1pf92c0c3f7693fad@mail.gmail.com> <479630B6.8040401@redhat.com> <604aa7910801221014x1f5c48f2t5dc28f8d2c6838fe@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4796E980.8010201@nicubunu.ro> Jeff Spaleta wrote: > > fedoratv.com is up and running right now. > Register an account, upload some svg's and png's... file bugs :-> Which is the right place to file those bugs? I didn't manage to identify the correct component in Bugzilla... I tried to upload a video (screencast, Ogg Theora) and got: "Error: File did not convert properly, please check our help and forums for possible format issues." - yes, I am willing to test it with both Theora videos and SVG/PNG images. -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From jakub.rusinek at gmail.com Wed Jan 23 16:12:00 2008 From: jakub.rusinek at gmail.com (Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek) Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2008 17:12:00 +0100 Subject: Tangoish Fedora logo in Mist-inherited default icon theme Message-ID: <1201104720.10189.5.camel@geeko> Hi, I know, this topic was here some time ago, but I want it to be succeeded. Scaled down SVG look terrible [1] . My proposal is to use modern Tango! palette everywhere, where small Fedora logo appers, since Fedora is opensource (why trademarks are stopping us from make it look beautiful?) [2] . Mist is Tango!-styled icon theme, which looks very nice. Fedora's default icon theme inherits Mist, but uses ugly scaled down SVG - it mixes styles: tangoish and plain, non-tangoish. You don't want to mix styles, as said some time ago somewhere, so lets use modern tangoish artwork, which looks awesome and makes Linux well recognized. 1| http://www.flickr.com/photos/livio-pl/2213995683/ 2| http://stephenbrandt.com/tango-icons/fedora/ -- Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek http://liviopl.jogger.pl/ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: To jest cz??? wiadomo?ci podpisana cyfrowo URL: From markg85 at gmail.com Wed Jan 23 16:44:15 2008 From: markg85 at gmail.com (Mark) Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2008 17:44:15 +0100 Subject: Tangoish Fedora logo in Mist-inherited default icon theme In-Reply-To: <1201104720.10189.5.camel@geeko> References: <1201104720.10189.5.camel@geeko> Message-ID: <6e24a8e80801230844i6fbbd6e3va4fbe69b5d887849@mail.gmail.com> 2008/1/23, Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek : > Hi, > > I know, this topic was here some time ago, but I want it to be > succeeded. > > Scaled down SVG look terrible [1] . > > My proposal is to use modern Tango! palette everywhere, where small > Fedora logo appers, since Fedora is opensource (why trademarks are > stopping us from make it look beautiful?) [2] . > > Mist is Tango!-styled icon theme, which looks very nice. > Fedora's default icon theme inherits Mist, but uses ugly scaled down SVG > - it mixes styles: tangoish and plain, non-tangoish. > > You don't want to mix styles, as said some time ago somewhere, so lets > use modern tangoish artwork, which looks awesome and makes Linux well > recognized. > > 1| http://www.flickr.com/photos/livio-pl/2213995683/ > 2| http://stephenbrandt.com/tango-icons/fedora/ I agree with you that the icon is nice and would be good to use it as a default icon. I proposed something the same a while ago as well (when that icon was shown here) but there was a reason not to do so.. (i forgot what it was). but you are wrong about the SVG part. the icon you point to is just a gif/png favicon not a scaled down svg. for a scaled down svg you just need to look at the fedora (gnome) menu icon. (might be a png as well but generated from the svg). From martin.sourada at gmail.com Wed Jan 23 16:44:19 2008 From: martin.sourada at gmail.com (Martin Sourada) Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2008 17:44:19 +0100 Subject: Tangoish Fedora logo in Mist-inherited default icon theme In-Reply-To: <1201104720.10189.5.camel@geeko> References: <1201104720.10189.5.camel@geeko> Message-ID: <1201106659.31829.14.camel@pc-notebook> On Wed, 2008-01-23 at 17:12 +0100, Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek wrote: > Hi, > > I know, this topic was here some time ago, but I want it to be > succeeded. > > Scaled down SVG look terrible [1] . > > My proposal is to use modern Tango! palette everywhere, where small > Fedora logo appers, since Fedora is opensource (why trademarks are > stopping us from make it look beautiful?) [2] . > > Mist is Tango!-styled icon theme, which looks very nice. > Fedora's default icon theme inherits Mist, but uses ugly scaled down SVG > - it mixes styles: tangoish and plain, non-tangoish. > > You don't want to mix styles, as said some time ago somewhere, so lets > use modern tangoish artwork, which looks awesome and makes Linux well > recognized. > > 1| http://www.flickr.com/photos/livio-pl/2213995683/ You have mistook GIF icon with transparency for scaled-down SVG. GIF icon cannot look better than that and I wonder if it is possible to have PNG web-page icon. > 2| http://stephenbrandt.com/tango-icons/fedora/ Yes, the tango! styled fedora logo is awesome but I'd wonder if it would pass legal. Anyway, this is IMHO not the proper place to ask in the first place. Since it concerns Fedora logo it should be IMHO asked first at logo at fedoaproject.org. And only after that, if it is approved, bring the thing on the art list. Martin -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From jakub.rusinek at gmail.com Wed Jan 23 16:43:12 2008 From: jakub.rusinek at gmail.com (Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek) Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2008 17:43:12 +0100 Subject: Tangoish Fedora logo in Mist-inherited default icon theme In-Reply-To: <6e24a8e80801230844i6fbbd6e3va4fbe69b5d887849@mail.gmail.com> References: <1201104720.10189.5.camel@geeko> <6e24a8e80801230844i6fbbd6e3va4fbe69b5d887849@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1201106592.10189.8.camel@geeko> > I agree with you that the icon is nice and would be good to use it as > a default icon. > I proposed something the same a while ago as well (when that icon was > shown here) but there was a reason not to do so.. (i forgot what it > was). I'm curious, what was that... > but you are wrong about the SVG part. the icon you point to is just a > gif/png favicon not a scaled down svg. for a scaled down svg you just > need to look at the fedora (gnome) menu icon. (might be a png as well > but generated from the svg). Both are ugly and pixelated... - I don't know why trademarks are stopping us from making Fedora artwork better... Ubuntu Logo also is registered trademark, but it's not generated from SVG in all their artwork (look at boot splash screen or logon screen). -- Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek http://liviopl.jogger.pl/ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: To jest cz??? wiadomo?ci podpisana cyfrowo URL: From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Wed Jan 23 16:53:16 2008 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2008 18:53:16 +0200 Subject: Tangoish Fedora logo in Mist-inherited default icon theme In-Reply-To: <1201106659.31829.14.camel@pc-notebook> References: <1201104720.10189.5.camel@geeko> <1201106659.31829.14.camel@pc-notebook> Message-ID: <479770FC.2040202@nicubunu.ro> Martin Sourada wrote: > On Wed, 2008-01-23 at 17:12 +0100, Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek wrote: >> >> 1| http://www.flickr.com/photos/livio-pl/2213995683/ > You have mistook GIF icon with transparency for scaled-down SVG. GIF > icon cannot look better than that and I wonder if it is possible to have > PNG web-page icon. Of course is possible to have the favicon as PNG, this is what I use for *years* on my websites, but I don't know and, frankly, don't care, about Internet Explorer. -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From jakub.rusinek at gmail.com Wed Jan 23 16:52:10 2008 From: jakub.rusinek at gmail.com (Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek) Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2008 17:52:10 +0100 Subject: Tangoish Fedora logo in Mist-inherited default icon theme In-Reply-To: <1201106659.31829.14.camel@pc-notebook> References: <1201104720.10189.5.camel@geeko> <1201106659.31829.14.camel@pc-notebook> Message-ID: <1201107130.10189.14.camel@geeko> > You have mistook GIF icon with transparency for scaled-down SVG. GIF > icon cannot look better than that and I wonder if it is possible to have > PNG web-page icon. I'm using PNG for my website... Looks nice (not sure if IE supports this, but I don't care). > Yes, the tango! styled fedora logo is awesome but I'd wonder if it would > pass legal. Anyway, this is IMHO not the proper place to ask in the > first place. Since it concerns Fedora logo it should be IMHO asked first > at logo at fedoaproject.org. And only after that, if it is approved, bring > the thing on the art list. And that's stupid... Trademarks... Fedora is opensource, yep? So why is it restricted with trademarks? -- Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek http://liviopl.jogger.pl/ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: To jest cz??? wiadomo?ci podpisana cyfrowo URL: From jakub.rusinek at gmail.com Wed Jan 23 16:57:01 2008 From: jakub.rusinek at gmail.com (Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek) Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2008 17:57:01 +0100 Subject: Tangoish Fedora logo in Mist-inherited default icon theme In-Reply-To: <479770FC.2040202@nicubunu.ro> References: <1201104720.10189.5.camel@geeko> <1201106659.31829.14.camel@pc-notebook> <479770FC.2040202@nicubunu.ro> Message-ID: <1201107421.10189.16.camel@geeko> Dnia 23-01-2008, ?ro o godzinie 18:53 +0200, Nicu Buculei pisze: > Martin Sourada wrote: > > On Wed, 2008-01-23 at 17:12 +0100, Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek wrote: > >> > >> 1| http://www.flickr.com/photos/livio-pl/2213995683/ > > You have mistook GIF icon with transparency for scaled-down SVG. GIF > > icon cannot look better than that and I wonder if it is possible to have > > PNG web-page icon. > > Of course is possible to have the favicon as PNG, this is what I use for > *years* on my websites, but I don't know and, frankly, don't care, about > Internet Explorer. You too :D . -- Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek http://liviopl.jogger.pl/ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: To jest cz??? wiadomo?ci podpisana cyfrowo URL: From jakub.rusinek at gmail.com Wed Jan 23 17:01:45 2008 From: jakub.rusinek at gmail.com (Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek) Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2008 18:01:45 +0100 Subject: fedora 9 codenames Message-ID: <1201107705.10189.18.camel@geeko> Hi, I'm really not satisfied. Names suggested as F9 codenames are worst than... PoKeMons. -- Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek http://liviopl.jogger.pl/ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: To jest cz??? wiadomo?ci podpisana cyfrowo URL: From choke at redhat.com Wed Jan 23 17:27:53 2008 From: choke at redhat.com (Colby Hoke) Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2008 12:27:53 -0500 Subject: fedora 9 codenames In-Reply-To: <1201108891.29627.1.camel@ignacio.lan> References: <1201107705.10189.18.camel@geeko> <1201108891.29627.1.camel@ignacio.lan> Message-ID: <47977919.8@redhat.com> Ignacio Vazquez-Abrams wrote: > On Wed, 2008-01-23 at 18:01 +0100, Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek wrote: > >> I'm... >> > > What the FUCK does this have to do with Fedora's art?! If you REALLY > want to find someone to complain to then get off your ass, go outside, > and FIND A FRIEND. > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list > Wow... chill out. There are much better ways to reply to that. And that approach is just uncalled for. The same could be said in reply to your email. Or this one... -- Colby A. Hoke Corporate Marketing [ Producer ] 919.621.8802 From jspaleta at gmail.com Wed Jan 23 17:38:22 2008 From: jspaleta at gmail.com (Jeff Spaleta) Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2008 08:38:22 -0900 Subject: Hi Fedora Art list! In-Reply-To: <4796E980.8010201@nicubunu.ro> References: <47961F3E.5010606@redhat.com> <604aa7910801220958p2d461abft9d348e3cdba74d33@mail.gmail.com> <47962FB1.9030706@redhat.com> <604aa7910801221004v319143a1pf92c0c3f7693fad@mail.gmail.com> <479630B6.8040401@redhat.com> <604aa7910801221014x1f5c48f2t5dc28f8d2c6838fe@mail.gmail.com> <4796E980.8010201@nicubunu.ro> Message-ID: <604aa7910801230938o39a9e5c2je2193d502ea469ea@mail.gmail.com> On Jan 22, 2008 10:15 PM, Nicu Buculei wrote: > Jeff Spaleta wrote: > > > > fedoratv.com is up and running right now. > > Register an account, upload some svg's and png's... file bugs :-> > > Which is the right place to file those bugs? I didn't manage to identify > the correct component in Bugzilla... its not going to be bugzilla...not for a while yet. This is a very experimental object, and its not being managed by Fedora infrastructure as a service yet. There should be a fedoratv project living at hosted.fedoraproject.org which uses trac for bug filing. And I'm not sure if everything is setup. Greg should be working on it and he should be making some sort of noteworthy announcement at least in his blog. I'll poke him. > I tried to upload a video (screencast, Ogg Theora) and got: "Error: File > did not convert properly, please check our help and forums for possible > format issues." - yes, I am willing to test it with both Theora videos > and SVG/PNG images. I'll figure out where you can file, and we'll go from there. The portal code is rough, so please be gentle. We need the testing I just don't want to overwhelm things with a lot of bugs if we also need to put some willing codemonkey's in place to help beat the codebase into shape. I'll poke Greg. -jef From david at lovesunix.net Wed Jan 23 18:05:05 2008 From: david at lovesunix.net (David Nielsen) Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2008 19:05:05 +0100 Subject: Tangoish Fedora logo in Mist-inherited default icon theme In-Reply-To: <1201106659.31829.14.camel@pc-notebook> References: <1201104720.10189.5.camel@geeko> <1201106659.31829.14.camel@pc-notebook> Message-ID: <1201111505.2630.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> ons, 23 01 2008 kl. 17:44 +0100, skrev Martin Sourada: > Yes, the tango! styled fedora logo is awesome but I'd wonder if it would > pass legal. Anyway, this is IMHO not the proper place to ask in the > first place. Since it concerns Fedora logo it should be IMHO asked first > at logo at fedoaproject.org. And only after that, if it is approved, bring > the thing on the art list. Peter Gordon and myself have been fighting to get approval for this since, 24th of January 2007 without any kind of resolution. The process is broken.. and we were only asking for approval to use it as the default menu logo in the Fedora Tango package. - David Nielsen -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: Dette er en digitalt underskrevet brevdel URL: From duffy at redhat.com Wed Jan 23 18:01:20 2008 From: duffy at redhat.com (=?UTF-8?B?TcOhaXLDrW4gRHVmZnk=?=) Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2008 13:01:20 -0500 Subject: fedora 9 codenames In-Reply-To: <1201109165.10189.22.camel@geeko> References: <1201107705.10189.18.camel@geeko> <1201108891.29627.1.camel@ignacio.lan> <1201109165.10189.22.camel@geeko> Message-ID: <479780F0.4010704@redhat.com> Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek wrote: > Dnia 23-01-2008, ?ro o godzinie 12:21 -0500, Ignacio Vazquez-Abrams > pisze: >> On Wed, 2008-01-23 at 18:01 +0100, Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek wrote: >>> I'm... >> What the FUCK does this have to do with Fedora's art?! If you REALLY >> want to find someone to complain to then get off your ass, go outside, >> and FIND A FRIEND. > > And where's moderation... Moderation says watch your mouth, this is an open list but if you can't control yourself your mails will be put on moderation. ~m From duffy at redhat.com Wed Jan 23 18:13:35 2008 From: duffy at redhat.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?M=E1ir=EDn_Duffy?=) Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2008 13:13:35 -0500 Subject: Tangoish Fedora logo in Mist-inherited default icon theme In-Reply-To: <1201111505.2630.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1201104720.10189.5.camel@geeko> <1201106659.31829.14.camel@pc-notebook> <1201111505.2630.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <479783CF.4080105@redhat.com> David Nielsen wrote: > ons, 23 01 2008 kl. 17:44 +0100, skrev Martin Sourada: > >> Yes, the tango! styled fedora logo is awesome but I'd wonder if it would >> pass legal. Anyway, this is IMHO not the proper place to ask in the >> first place. Since it concerns Fedora logo it should be IMHO asked first >> at logo at fedoaproject.org. And only after that, if it is approved, bring >> the thing on the art list. > > Peter Gordon and myself have been fighting to get approval for this > since, 24th of January 2007 without any kind of resolution. The process > is broken.. and we were only asking for approval to use it as the > default menu logo in the Fedora Tango package. I was not handling the logo queue at that time, according to my records Diana Fong handled that ticket. The only record I see of the ticket is a request from Peter on January 23 2007 which was picked up by Diana, I don't have any record of the exchange though since we were using ORTS at the time and it was quite broken. As the current owner of the logo approval queue, I have no problem with the Tango-ified Fedora logo icon being included in the Fedora Tango package but would prefer the Tango-ified icon *not* be the default as it is not really a pure representation of the Fedora logo in the sense that it takes some liberties with the official logo usage guidelines. ~m From jakub.rusinek at gmail.com Wed Jan 23 18:25:09 2008 From: jakub.rusinek at gmail.com (Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek) Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2008 19:25:09 +0100 Subject: Tangoish Fedora logo in Mist-inherited default icon theme In-Reply-To: <479783CF.4080105@redhat.com> References: <1201104720.10189.5.camel@geeko> <1201106659.31829.14.camel@pc-notebook> <1201111505.2630.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> <479783CF.4080105@redhat.com> Message-ID: <1201112709.15188.0.camel@geeko> Dnia 23-01-2008, ?ro o godzinie 13:13 -0500, M?ir?n Duffy pisze: > David Nielsen wrote: > > ons, 23 01 2008 kl. 17:44 +0100, skrev Martin Sourada: > > > >> Yes, the tango! styled fedora logo is awesome but I'd wonder if it would > >> pass legal. Anyway, this is IMHO not the proper place to ask in the > >> first place. Since it concerns Fedora logo it should be IMHO asked first > >> at logo at fedoaproject.org. And only after that, if it is approved, bring > >> the thing on the art list. > > > > Peter Gordon and myself have been fighting to get approval for this > > since, 24th of January 2007 without any kind of resolution. The process > > is broken.. and we were only asking for approval to use it as the > > default menu logo in the Fedora Tango package. > > I was not handling the logo queue at that time, according to my records > Diana Fong handled that ticket. The only record I see of the ticket is a > request from Peter on January 23 2007 which was picked up by Diana, I > don't have any record of the exchange though since we were using ORTS at > the time and it was quite broken. > > As the current owner of the logo approval queue, I have no problem with > the Tango-ified Fedora logo icon being included in the Fedora Tango > package but would prefer the Tango-ified icon *not* be the default as it > is not really a pure representation of the Fedora logo in the sense that > it takes some liberties with the official logo usage guidelines. M?ir?n, current icon is UGLY. Scaled down SVG... Piece of art. Huh! -- Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek http://liviopl.jogger.pl/ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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If you REALLY > >> want to find someone to complain to then get off your ass, go outside, > >> and FIND A FRIEND. > > > > And where's moderation... > > Moderation says watch your mouth, this is an open list but if you can't > control yourself your mails will be put on moderation. Ignacio has used "F*" word, not me... -- Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek http://liviopl.jogger.pl/ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Have you filed a bug about the current icon? ~m From duffy at redhat.com Wed Jan 23 18:24:58 2008 From: duffy at redhat.com (=?UTF-8?B?TcOhaXLDrW4gRHVmZnk=?=) Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2008 13:24:58 -0500 Subject: fedora 9 codenames In-Reply-To: <1201112773.15188.2.camel@geeko> References: <1201107705.10189.18.camel@geeko> <1201108891.29627.1.camel@ignacio.lan> <1201109165.10189.22.camel@geeko> <479780F0.4010704@redhat.com> <1201112773.15188.2.camel@geeko> Message-ID: <4797867A.1040700@redhat.com> Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek wrote: > Dnia 23-01-2008, ?ro o godzinie 13:01 -0500, M?ir?n Duffy pisze: >> Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek wrote: >>> Dnia 23-01-2008, ?ro o godzinie 12:21 -0500, Ignacio Vazquez-Abrams >>> pisze: >>>> On Wed, 2008-01-23 at 18:01 +0100, Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek wrote: >>>>> I'm... >>>> What the FUCK does this have to do with Fedora's art?! If you REALLY >>>> want to find someone to complain to then get off your ass, go outside, >>>> and FIND A FRIEND. >>> And where's moderation... >> Moderation says watch your mouth, this is an open list but if you can't >> control yourself your mails will be put on moderation. > > Ignacio has used "F*" word, not me... I am using the second person grammatically, I am not pointing fingers at anyone in particular although do be aware that I do pay attention to who said what and whether or not their behavior has improved over time or not. I have never seen Ignacio behave badly on this list before so I am chalking it up to a momentary lapse in judgement at this time. If you have any further concerns about the moderation of this list please take it up with myself or Nicu offline. Thanks, ~m From jakub.rusinek at gmail.com Wed Jan 23 18:32:43 2008 From: jakub.rusinek at gmail.com (Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek) Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2008 19:32:43 +0100 Subject: Tangoish Fedora logo in Mist-inherited default icon theme In-Reply-To: <479785D1.3030808@redhat.com> References: <1201104720.10189.5.camel@geeko> <1201106659.31829.14.camel@pc-notebook> <1201111505.2630.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> <479783CF.4080105@redhat.com> <1201112709.15188.0.camel@geeko> <479785D1.3030808@redhat.com> Message-ID: <1201113163.15188.5.camel@geeko> Dnia 23-01-2008, ?ro o godzinie 13:22 -0500, M?ir?n Duffy pisze: > Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek wrote: > > M?ir?n, current icon is UGLY. Scaled down SVG... Piece of art. Huh! > > I agree. The person who scaled it down obviously did not understand how > to align it to the pixel grid. However proper scaling down of the logo > does not require the usage of the tango style does it? If we use Mist-inheriting icon theme we should follow the style and use Tangoish, if we use Echo, we should "echoify" the logo. > Have you filed a bug about the current icon? The question is: where? In bugzilla? Against fedora-logos? -- Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek http://liviopl.jogger.pl/ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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However proper scaling down of the logo >> does not require the usage of the tango style does it? > > If we use Mist-inheriting icon theme we should follow the style and use > Tangoish, if we use Echo, we should "echoify" the logo. > >> Have you filed a bug about the current icon? > > The question is: where? > > In bugzilla? Against fedora-logos? Yes. ~m From jakub.rusinek at gmail.com Wed Jan 23 19:23:53 2008 From: jakub.rusinek at gmail.com (Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek) Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2008 20:23:53 +0100 Subject: Tangoish Fedora logo in Mist-inherited default icon theme Message-ID: <1201116233.16899.2.camel@geeko> It's me, again. I've filed the bug [1]. 1| https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=429912 -- Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek http://liviopl.jogger.pl/ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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One thing I notice is that some packages ship huge svg icons, like the following: 203094 /usr/share/gnome-power-manager/icons/hicolor/scalable/status/gpm-phone-030.svg 229993 /usr/share/gnome-power-manager/icons/hicolor/scalable/status/gpm-phone-000.svg 274693 /usr/share/gnome-power-manager/icons/hicolor/scalable/status/gpm-keyboard-030.svg 284391 /usr/share/gnome-power-manager/icons/hicolor/scalable/status/gpm-phone-060.svg 287861 /usr/share/gnome-power-manager/icons/hicolor/scalable/status/gpm-phone-100.svg I wonder if this list has the expertise and knows the tools to reduce excess details in svgs like those ? From kevin.kofler at chello.at Thu Jan 24 11:44:00 2008 From: kevin.kofler at chello.at (Kevin Kofler) Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2008 11:44:00 +0000 (UTC) Subject: oversized icons in the distro References: <1201124815.2755.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: Matthias Clasen redhat.com> writes: > Hey, so we are looking at the size of test1 live cd images right now (of > course, things don't fit). One thing I notice is that some packages ship > huge svg icons, like the following: [snip] > I wonder if this list has the expertise and knows the tools to reduce > excess details in svgs like those ? Here in KDE SIG land, our solution looks like this: # omit gigantic oxygen scalable/svg icons, for now -- Rex find %{buildroot}%{_kde4_iconsdir}/oxygen/scalable -name "*.svgz" | \ xargs --no-run-if-empty rm -fv ;-) (Of course this will only work if there are PNG versions of the same icons, otherwise the PNGs have to be generated first.) Kevin Kofler From duffy at redhat.com Thu Jan 24 14:47:03 2008 From: duffy at redhat.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?M=E1ir=EDn_Duffy?=) Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2008 09:47:03 -0500 Subject: oversized icons in the distro In-Reply-To: <1201124815.2755.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1201124815.2755.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <4798A4E7.3030404@redhat.com> Hi Matthias, Matthias Clasen wrote: > Hey, so we are looking at the size of test1 live cd images right now (of > course, things don't fit). One thing I notice is that some packages ship > huge svg icons, like the following: > > 203094 /usr/share/gnome-power-manager/icons/hicolor/scalable/status/gpm-phone-030.svg > 229993 /usr/share/gnome-power-manager/icons/hicolor/scalable/status/gpm-phone-000.svg > 274693 /usr/share/gnome-power-manager/icons/hicolor/scalable/status/gpm-keyboard-030.svg > 284391 /usr/share/gnome-power-manager/icons/hicolor/scalable/status/gpm-phone-060.svg > 287861 /usr/share/gnome-power-manager/icons/hicolor/scalable/status/gpm-phone-100.svg > > I wonder if this list has the expertise and knows the tools to reduce > excess details in svgs like those ? Do you know if those SVGs are actually used by applications? I think those icons are png equivalents don't they? ~m From martin.sourada at gmail.com Thu Jan 24 15:12:15 2008 From: martin.sourada at gmail.com (Martin Sourada) Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2008 16:12:15 +0100 Subject: oversized icons in the distro In-Reply-To: <1201124815.2755.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1201124815.2755.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1201187535.1790.3.camel@pc-notebook> On Wed, 2008-01-23 at 16:46 -0500, Matthias Clasen wrote: > Hey, so we are looking at the size of test1 live cd images right now (of > course, things don't fit). One thing I notice is that some packages ship > huge svg icons, like the following: > > 203094 /usr/share/gnome-power-manager/icons/hicolor/scalable/status/gpm-phone-030.svg > 229993 /usr/share/gnome-power-manager/icons/hicolor/scalable/status/gpm-phone-000.svg > 274693 /usr/share/gnome-power-manager/icons/hicolor/scalable/status/gpm-keyboard-030.svg > 284391 /usr/share/gnome-power-manager/icons/hicolor/scalable/status/gpm-phone-060.svg > 287861 /usr/share/gnome-power-manager/icons/hicolor/scalable/status/gpm-phone-100.svg > > I wonder if this list has the expertise and knows the tools to reduce > excess details in svgs like those ? > Try inkscape's vacuum defs (inkscape --vacuum-defs FILE). For example for gmp-phone-030.svg it crops the size from 198.3 KB to 47.9 KB... Martin -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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One thing I notice is that some packages ship >> huge svg icons, like the following: >> >> 203094 /usr/share/gnome-power-manager/icons/hicolor/scalable/status/gpm-phone-030.svg >> 229993 /usr/share/gnome-power-manager/icons/hicolor/scalable/status/gpm-phone-000.svg >> 274693 /usr/share/gnome-power-manager/icons/hicolor/scalable/status/gpm-keyboard-030.svg >> 284391 /usr/share/gnome-power-manager/icons/hicolor/scalable/status/gpm-phone-060.svg >> 287861 /usr/share/gnome-power-manager/icons/hicolor/scalable/status/gpm-phone-100.svg >> >> I wonder if this list has the expertise and knows the tools to reduce >> excess details in svgs like those ? >> > Try inkscape's vacuum defs (inkscape --vacuum-defs FILE). For example > for gmp-phone-030.svg it crops the size from 198.3 KB to 47.9 KB... Yeah, I did the same: gpm-phone-100.svg decreased from 281.1 KB to 56.4 KB after vacuum defs and to 48.6 after saving as plain svg. I will do a vacuum defs to all files and post it back. -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Thu Jan 24 15:39:06 2008 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2008 17:39:06 +0200 Subject: oversized icons in the distro In-Reply-To: <4798AC73.6010909@nicubunu.ro> References: <1201124815.2755.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1201187535.1790.3.camel@pc-notebook> <4798AC73.6010909@nicubunu.ro> Message-ID: <4798B11A.9070902@nicubunu.ro> Nicu Buculei wrote: > Martin Sourada wrote: >>> >> Try inkscape's vacuum defs (inkscape --vacuum-defs FILE). For example >> for gmp-phone-030.svg it crops the size from 198.3 KB to 47.9 KB... > > Yeah, I did the same: gpm-phone-100.svg decreased from 281.1 KB to 56.4 > KB after vacuum defs and to 48.6 after saving as plain svg. > > I will do a vacuum defs to all files and post it back. Attached is a tarball with *all* the files in the directory vacuumed and saved as plain svg. The size went down from 3.0 MB to 986.0 KB. We can make it even smaller using compressed SVG (.svgz, basically SVG with gzip compression, SVG being text the compression is very effective) but 1. I don't know if we support .svgz for scalable icons and 2. is this useful? they are stored on CD compressed inside a rpm. -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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One thing I notice is that some packages ship > >> huge svg icons, like the following: > >> > >> 203094 /usr/share/gnome-power-manager/icons/hicolor/scalable/status/gpm-phone-030.svg > >> 229993 /usr/share/gnome-power-manager/icons/hicolor/scalable/status/gpm-phone-000.svg > >> 274693 /usr/share/gnome-power-manager/icons/hicolor/scalable/status/gpm-keyboard-030.svg > >> 284391 /usr/share/gnome-power-manager/icons/hicolor/scalable/status/gpm-phone-060.svg > >> 287861 /usr/share/gnome-power-manager/icons/hicolor/scalable/status/gpm-phone-100.svg > >> > >> I wonder if this list has the expertise and knows the tools to reduce > >> excess details in svgs like those ? > >> > > Try inkscape's vacuum defs (inkscape --vacuum-defs FILE). For example > > for gmp-phone-030.svg it crops the size from 198.3 KB to 47.9 KB... > > Yeah, I did the same: gpm-phone-100.svg decreased from 281.1 KB to 56.4 > KB after vacuum defs and to 48.6 after saving as plain svg. > > I will do a vacuum defs to all files and post it back. > Hey, thats a pretty significant bloat reduction, thanks. If you can cc Richard Hughes or gnome-power-manager-list at gnome.org, I'm sure he'll appreciate it. Matthias From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Thu Jan 24 15:58:41 2008 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2008 17:58:41 +0200 Subject: oversized icons in the distro In-Reply-To: <4798B11A.9070902@nicubunu.ro> References: <1201124815.2755.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1201187535.1790.3.camel@pc-notebook> <4798AC73.6010909@nicubunu.ro> <4798B11A.9070902@nicubunu.ro> Message-ID: <4798B5B1.8000508@nicubunu.ro> Nicu Buculei wrote: > > Attached is a tarball with *all* the files in the directory vacuumed and > saved as plain svg. The size went down from 3.0 MB to 986.0 KB. It may be a good thing to run this over all the SVGs we package: a script like for i in *.svg; do inkscape -f "$i" --vacuum-defs --export-plain-svg "$i"; done -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From jakub.rusinek at gmail.com Thu Jan 24 21:34:08 2008 From: jakub.rusinek at gmail.com (Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek) Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2008 22:34:08 +0100 Subject: Nodoka-Livious Message-ID: <1201210448.3025.4.camel@geeko> Hi, I modified Nodoka-GIT gtkrc a little bit and I think that my gtkrc [1] i great (personally) [2]. Not sure if I really should post it here, but it includes some Mac-like changes like the scrollbars (doesn't include M-City theme) :> . 1| http://liviopl.fedorapeople.org/Nodoka-Livious.tar.bz2 2| http://liviopl.fedorapeople.org/nl.png -- Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek http://liviopl.jogger.pl/ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: To jest cz??? wiadomo?ci podpisana cyfrowo URL: From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Fri Jan 25 09:05:19 2008 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2008 14:35:19 +0530 Subject: Tangoish Fedora logo in Mist-inherited default icon theme In-Reply-To: <1201107130.10189.14.camel@geeko> References: <1201104720.10189.5.camel@geeko> <1201106659.31829.14.camel@pc-notebook> <1201107130.10189.14.camel@geeko> Message-ID: <4799A64F.7080807@fedoraproject.org> Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek wrote: > > And that's stupid... Trademarks... Fedora is opensource, yep? > > So why is it restricted with trademarks? Free and open source licenses cover copyrights and not trademarks. Trademarks are required to protect a brand and the brand is valuable enough to be protected. Otherwise anyone could do a distribution that wipes off hard disks and call it Fedora. There are hundreds of different FOSS projects where the brand is protected including the Linux kernel, Apache, Mozilla Firefox and so on. Rahul From jakub.rusinek at gmail.com Fri Jan 25 11:36:52 2008 From: jakub.rusinek at gmail.com (Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek) Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2008 12:36:52 +0100 Subject: Tangoish Fedora logo in Mist-inherited default icon theme In-Reply-To: <4799A64F.7080807@fedoraproject.org> References: <1201104720.10189.5.camel@geeko> <1201106659.31829.14.camel@pc-notebook> <1201107130.10189.14.camel@geeko> <4799A64F.7080807@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <1201261012.2469.1.camel@geeko> Dnia 25-01-2008, pi? o godzinie 14:35 +0530, Rahul Sundaram pisze: > Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek wrote: > > > > > And that's stupid... Trademarks... Fedora is opensource, yep? > > > > So why is it restricted with trademarks? > > Free and open source licenses cover copyrights and not trademarks. > Trademarks are required to protect a brand and the brand is valuable > enough to be protected. Otherwise anyone could do a distribution that > wipes off hard disks and call it Fedora. There are hundreds of > different FOSS projects where the brand is protected including the Linux > kernel, Apache, Mozilla Firefox and so on. Thanks to trademarks Iceweasel and Icedove projets started... Because of "opensource" and trademarks. They were patched Firefox and Thunderbird, until war began. -- Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek http://liviopl.jogger.pl/ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Fedora is opensource, yep? >>> >>> So why is it restricted with trademarks? >> Free and open source licenses cover copyrights and not trademarks. >> Trademarks are required to protect a brand and the brand is valuable >> enough to be protected. Otherwise anyone could do a distribution that >> wipes off hard disks and call it Fedora. There are hundreds of >> different FOSS projects where the brand is protected including the Linux >> kernel, Apache, Mozilla Firefox and so on. > > Thanks to trademarks Iceweasel and Icedove projets started... Because of > "opensource" and trademarks. They were patched Firefox and Thunderbird, > until war began. This is a common misconception. Debian's problem with Firefox was trademark primarily but the copyright license of the Firefox logo. Rahul From luya_tfz at thefinalzone.com Sat Jan 26 03:15:24 2008 From: luya_tfz at thefinalzone.com (Luya Tshimbalanga) Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2008 22:15:24 -0500 Subject: [Echo]Update on accessories-dictionary icon Message-ID: <1201317324.479aa5cc915d1@ssl.mecca.ca> I had a busy week with a lot of assignment for Graphic Design class. As a result, it took me long to update the icons. Here is the set of icons using a magnifying class to symbolize the dictionary. Feel to suggest otherwise. -- Luya Tshimbalanga Fedora Project contributor http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/LuyaTshimbalanga -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: accessories-dictionary48a.svg Type: image/svg+xml Size: 31040 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Maybe putting a flag on the book would solve the issue, or some characters in different languages, e.g. one kanji and one greek letter, or something like that... just an idea... As for the book, I just realised I still keep optimised 22x22 SVG [1] of system-help on fedorapeople [2], so feel free to reuse it. Martin References: [1] http://mso.fedorapeople.org/echo/system-help22.svg [2] http://mso.fedorapeople.org/echo/ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I personally like something like [3] the most and perhaps suits it best. and the magnify icon is (sadly because it looks good) misplaced in this case. a flag icon will make it better. Good luck. [1] http://familydehaan.net/images/dictionary2.gif [2] http://www.clickapps.com/products/pid_1656/screenshots/tiny.gif [3] http://www.efusion.com.au/images/48/dictionary.gif From jakub.rusinek at gmail.com Sat Jan 26 13:11:56 2008 From: jakub.rusinek at gmail.com (Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek) Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2008 14:11:56 +0100 Subject: [Echo]Update on accessories-dictionary icon In-Reply-To: <6e24a8e80801260509h26f20243h37b3e15f0b51da6e@mail.gmail.com> References: <1201317324.479aa5cc915d1@ssl.mecca.ca> <6e24a8e80801260509h26f20243h37b3e15f0b51da6e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1201353116.2251.12.camel@geeko> Dnia 26-01-2008, sob o godzinie 14:09 +0100, Mark pisze: > 2008/1/26, Luya Tshimbalanga : > > > > I had a busy week with a lot of assignment for Graphic Design class. As a > > result, it took me long to update the icons. Here is the set of icons using a > > magnifying class to symbolize the dictionary. Feel to suggest otherwise. > > Sorry to say it again but i still think it looks like a calender icon > with a hard cover over it.. > Perhaps you find one of these [1], [2] and [3] useful? > > I personally like something like [3] the most and perhaps suits it best. > and the magnify icon is (sadly because it looks good) misplaced in > this case. a flag icon will make it better. > Good luck. > > [1] http://familydehaan.net/images/dictionary2.gif > [2] http://www.clickapps.com/products/pid_1656/screenshots/tiny.gif > [3] http://www.efusion.com.au/images/48/dictionary.gif And how do they did it in GNOME's icon theme: http://svn.gnome.org/svn/gnome-icon-theme/trunk/32x32/apps/accessories-dictionary.png -- Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek http://liviopl.jogger.pl/ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Echofy that one and your done ^_^ From martin.sourada at gmail.com Sat Jan 26 17:04:39 2008 From: martin.sourada at gmail.com (Martin Sourada) Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2008 18:04:39 +0100 Subject: Nodoka GTK Engine 0.7 beta 2 released Message-ID: <1201367079.7165.41.camel@pc-notebook> Hi, today I've released gtk-nodoka-engine-0.6.90.2 (0.7 beta 2), and built packages for rawhide, so with next compose it should appear in repos. As for the looks, it is more or less what will be in F9 final, so now I aim on fixing issues and bugs, so that it would work flawless when Fedora 9 is released. If you find any bugs feel free to report them in trac [1]. And here's ChangeLog [2] selection with commentary since latest stable release in fedora repos (0.6 with backported patches from 0.6.1): * scrollbars redesign - it is now mac-like and so the slider and steppers has rounded corners. It has some problems when used in gecko and that's why I disabled it at first for firefox, but after consultation with mozilla guys I enabled it again, since they fixed the problem in Firefox 3 which will be in Fedora 9. I still have to investigate whether there is a way to disable it for gecko <= 1.9. * remove separator from Option Menu - this further differentiates Option Menu from Combo Box, but I am not 100% sure about this change. If I receive a lot of negative feedback I'll add it back. * Check and Radio Button Bullet colour set in RC - many people complained about the bullet colour itself and about the fact that it was hard-coded. This is the answer to their calls. * New focus representation - You know, the old dotted rectangle focus ring sucked. So I added two engine options to allow nicer focus representation. One is adding transparent rectangle over the widget, the other one is to set, whether we want the secondary focus ring inside or outside the widget. Due to focus styling of Tabs and Radio and Check Buttons these options have no effect on their focus ring styling. - In firefox the focus needs to be handled traditional way (i.e. drawn independently on the widget), so Check and Radio Buttons have in firefox different focus representation than in ordinary gtk app. * Gradient support in Toolbar and Menu Bar improvements - I added one more type of gradient to Menu Bar and added same support for gradients in Toolbars as is in Menu Bar. Both are handled independently via engine options in RC file. - This has, from what I noticed so far, two drawbacks. One is volume button in toolbar (it draws its own background, while it IMHO shouldn't; I noticed it in Listen Music Player) and next is new message button in Evolution, for the same reason. For the Evolution one I noticed that Clearlooks workaround this by disabling gradient in evolution toolbar. However, I am personally not interested in such workaround. * New themes - Yep, I created several themes featuring the Nodoka engine. They all go to the gtk-nodoka-engine-extras package. You can see how they look in the Screenshots page [3] in nodoka trac. * Fake real transparency for Spin Button, Entry and Progress Bar - This allows having these widgets with rounded corners with as much roundness as one please, but when displayed in not-so-standard locations like in toolbar or on web page the transparency is gone... If anyone knows of a way how to use really transparent background for these I'd be grateful to hear that. * Style list headers in evolution as list headers - As these are in ECanvas in ETree or ETable it needed some kind of workaround in the engine, but it seems to work flawlessly. * Tooltips styling - Yep, finally I added styling for tooltips as well. Now it uses subtle gradient and soft borders. * Improvements to Spin Button - Apart from fake transparency, the buttons are now separated and responsive to user actions (like mouse-over, etc.) * Add RTL support - This issue was brought on the table thanks to firefox guys and as such I tested it only in firefox, so if someone with right-to-left text set in their locale could test it, I'd be grateful. * and various bugfixes Thanks, Martin References: [1] https://fedorahosted.org/nodoka/newticket [2] http://git.fedorahosted.org/git/?p=nodoka;a=blob_plain;f=gtk-nodoka-engine/ChangeLog;hb=ddf6368b0c8ac6775ce5be0654ec031652c6a08e [3] http://git.fedorahosted.org/git/?p=nodoka;a=blob_plain;f=gtk-nodoka-engine/ChangeLog;hb=ddf6368b0c8ac6775ce5be0654ec031652c6a08e -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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If you find any bugs feel free to report them in trac [1]. > > And here's ChangeLog [2] selection with commentary since latest stable > release in fedora repos (0.6 with backported patches from 0.6.1): > > * scrollbars redesign > - it is now mac-like and so the slider and steppers has rounded corners. > It has some problems when used in gecko and that's why I disabled it at > first for firefox, but after consultation with mozilla guys I enabled it > again, since they fixed the problem in Firefox 3 which will be in Fedora > 9. I still have to investigate whether there is a way to disable it for > gecko <= 1.9. Did I reported this on their BZ? > * Check and Radio Button Bullet colour set in RC > - many people complained about the bullet colour itself and about the > fact that it was hard-coded. This is the answer to their calls. Good news. > > * New focus representation > - You know, the old dotted rectangle focus ring sucked. So I added two > engine options to allow nicer focus representation. One is adding > transparent rectangle over the widget, the other one is to set, whether > we want the secondary focus ring inside or outside the widget. Due to > focus styling of Tabs and Radio and Check Buttons these options have no > effect on their focus ring styling. > - In firefox the focus needs to be handled traditional way (i.e. drawn > independently on the widget), so Check and Radio Buttons have in firefox > different focus representation than in ordinary gtk app. I love new focus indicator :) . > * Gradient support in Toolbar and Menu Bar improvements > - I added one more type of gradient to Menu Bar and added same support > for gradients in Toolbars as is in Menu Bar. Both are handled > independently via engine options in RC file. > - This has, from what I noticed so far, two drawbacks. One is volume > button in toolbar (it draws its own background, while it IMHO shouldn't; > I noticed it in Listen Music Player) and next is new message button in > Evolution, for the same reason. For the Evolution one I noticed that > Clearlooks workaround this by disabling gradient in evolution toolbar. > However, I am personally not interested in such workaround. That's great :) . > * Tooltips styling > - Yep, finally I added styling for tooltips as well. Now it uses subtle > gradient and soft borders. They are very nice too. Overall, new Nodoka looks smoother and nicer. It puts modern feel into GNOME environment. Thanks for you hard work :) . -- Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek http://liviopl.jogger.pl/ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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In-Reply-To: <479BBF5B.6090109@gmail.com> References: <479BBF5B.6090109@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1201389480.2435.0.camel@geeko> Dnia 27-01-2008, nie o godzinie 00:16 +0100, Valent Turkovic pisze: > Hi, > I tested new Firefox 3 in Rawhide and it looks and works great! One > thing I noticed are the "X" for closing Firefox tabs - they look a bit > off because they are much thicker and bigger that "X" for closing the > firefox. > Usually parent obects have everything bigger than "child" objects. This > looks strange because tabs which all are "children" to main firefox > window have bigger "X". > > It is not a big thing, just something to check out. > > Cheers, > Valent. Screenshot, please. If you're using newer GNOME icon theme, remember - there's bigger gtk-close icon used. -- Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek http://liviopl.jogger.pl/ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: To jest cz??? wiadomo?ci podpisana cyfrowo URL: From martin.sourada at gmail.com Sun Jan 27 00:07:12 2008 From: martin.sourada at gmail.com (Martin Sourada) Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2008 01:07:12 +0100 Subject: Nodoka GTK Engine 0.7 beta 2 released In-Reply-To: <1201368525.2251.16.camel@geeko> References: <1201367079.7165.41.camel@pc-notebook> <1201368525.2251.16.camel@geeko> Message-ID: <1201392432.7165.46.camel@pc-notebook> On Sat, 2008-01-26 at 18:28 +0100, Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek wrote: > Dnia 26-01-2008, sob o godzinie 18:04 +0100, Martin Sourada pisze: > > * scrollbars redesign > > - it is now mac-like and so the slider and steppers has rounded corners. > > It has some problems when used in gecko and that's why I disabled it at > > first for firefox, but after consultation with mozilla guys I enabled it > > again, since they fixed the problem in Firefox 3 which will be in Fedora > > 9. I still have to investigate whether there is a way to disable it for > > gecko <= 1.9. > > Did I reported this on their BZ? > Yes it was part of your report and I reported it myself as well, but your bug report got the attention, while mine was marked as duplicate, after it was fixed ;-) > I love new focus indicator :) . > [snip] > Overall, new Nodoka looks smoother and nicer. It puts modern feel into > GNOME environment. > > Thanks for you hard work :) . > Thanks for your suggestions, comments and bug reports as well :-) Martin -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From valent.turkovic at gmail.com Sun Jan 27 01:46:39 2008 From: valent.turkovic at gmail.com (Valent Turkovic) Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2008 02:46:39 +0100 Subject: Firefox 3 close tab - too big? In-Reply-To: <1201389480.2435.0.camel@geeko> References: <479BBF5B.6090109@gmail.com> <1201389480.2435.0.camel@geeko> Message-ID: <64b14b300801261746l76347f72kb088d505d2247f5f@mail.gmail.com> 2008/1/27 Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek : > Dnia 27-01-2008, nie o godzinie 00:16 +0100, Valent Turkovic pisze: > > > Hi, > > I tested new Firefox 3 in Rawhide and it looks and works great! One > > thing I noticed are the "X" for closing Firefox tabs - they look a bit > > off because they are much thicker and bigger that "X" for closing the > > firefox. > > Usually parent obects have everything bigger than "child" objects. This > > looks strange because tabs which all are "children" to main firefox > > window have bigger "X". > > > > It is not a big thing, just something to check out. > > > > Cheers, > > Valent. > > Screenshot, please. > > If you're using newer GNOME icon theme, remember - there's bigger > gtk-close icon used. > > -- > Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek > http://liviopl.jogger.pl/ here is the link http://www.zshare.net/image/6905622d744055/ ps. I tried uploading it to fedoratv site but I get some strange error :( -- http://kernelreloaded.blog385.com/ linux, blog, anime, spirituality, windsurf, wireless registered as user #367004 with the Linux Counter, http://counter.li.org. ICQ: 2125241, Skype: valent.turkovic From luya_tfz at thefinalzone.com Sun Jan 27 05:19:10 2008 From: luya_tfz at thefinalzone.com (Luya Tshimbalanga) Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2008 21:19:10 -0800 Subject: [Echo]Update on accessories-dictionary icon In-Reply-To: <1201353116.2251.12.camel@geeko> References: <1201317324.479aa5cc915d1@ssl.mecca.ca> <6e24a8e80801260509h26f20243h37b3e15f0b51da6e@mail.gmail.com> <1201353116.2251.12.camel@geeko> Message-ID: <479C144E.7090706@thefinalzone.com> For some reason, it reminds me a bible. Luya From jakub.rusinek at gmail.com Sun Jan 27 07:27:31 2008 From: jakub.rusinek at gmail.com (Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek) Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2008 08:27:31 +0100 Subject: Firefox 3 close tab - too big? In-Reply-To: <64b14b300801261746l76347f72kb088d505d2247f5f@mail.gmail.com> References: <479BBF5B.6090109@gmail.com> <1201389480.2435.0.camel@geeko> <64b14b300801261746l76347f72kb088d505d2247f5f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1201418851.2099.1.camel@geeko> Dnia 27-01-2008, nie o godzinie 02:46 +0100, Valent Turkovic pisze: > 2008/1/27 Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek : > > Dnia 27-01-2008, nie o godzinie 00:16 +0100, Valent Turkovic pisze: > > > > > Hi, > > > I tested new Firefox 3 in Rawhide and it looks and works great! One > > > thing I noticed are the "X" for closing Firefox tabs - they look a bit > > > off because they are much thicker and bigger that "X" for closing the > > > firefox. > > > Usually parent obects have everything bigger than "child" objects. This > > > looks strange because tabs which all are "children" to main firefox > > > window have bigger "X". > > > > > > It is not a big thing, just something to check out. > > > > > > Cheers, > > > Valent. > > > > Screenshot, please. > > > > If you're using newer GNOME icon theme, remember - there's bigger > > gtk-close icon used. > > > > -- > > Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek > > http://liviopl.jogger.pl/ > > here is the link > http://www.zshare.net/image/6905622d744055/ > > ps. I tried uploading it to fedoratv site but I get some strange error :( Exactly as I thinked. Bigger icon in the icon theme. I think the button looks now better and it's a usability feature (PS: all close buttons should be 22x22 imo). -- Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek http://liviopl.jogger.pl/ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: To jest cz??? wiadomo?ci podpisana cyfrowo URL: From valent.turkovic at gmail.com Sun Jan 27 12:35:10 2008 From: valent.turkovic at gmail.com (Valent Turkovic) Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2008 13:35:10 +0100 Subject: Firefox 3 close tab - too big? In-Reply-To: <1201418851.2099.1.camel@geeko> References: <479BBF5B.6090109@gmail.com> <1201389480.2435.0.camel@geeko> <64b14b300801261746l76347f72kb088d505d2247f5f@mail.gmail.com> <1201418851.2099.1.camel@geeko> Message-ID: <479C7A7E.7050904@gmail.com> Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek wrote: > Dnia 27-01-2008, nie o godzinie 02:46 +0100, Valent Turkovic pisze: >> 2008/1/27 Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek : >>> Dnia 27-01-2008, nie o godzinie 00:16 +0100, Valent Turkovic pisze: >>> >>>> Hi, >>>> I tested new Firefox 3 in Rawhide and it looks and works great! One >>>> thing I noticed are the "X" for closing Firefox tabs - they look a bit >>>> off because they are much thicker and bigger that "X" for closing the >>>> firefox. >>>> Usually parent obects have everything bigger than "child" objects. This >>>> looks strange because tabs which all are "children" to main firefox >>>> window have bigger "X". >>>> >>>> It is not a big thing, just something to check out. >>>> >>>> Cheers, >>>> Valent. >>> Screenshot, please. >>> >>> If you're using newer GNOME icon theme, remember - there's bigger >>> gtk-close icon used. >>> >>> -- >>> Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek >>> http://liviopl.jogger.pl/ >> here is the link >> http://www.zshare.net/image/6905622d744055/ >> >> ps. I tried uploading it to fedoratv site but I get some strange error :( > > Exactly as I thinked. Bigger icon in the icon theme. > I think the button looks now better and it's a usability feature (PS: > all close buttons should be 22x22 imo). I agree close buttons should be bigger but isn't that too big of a contrast to gtk close button? From jakub.rusinek at gmail.com Sun Jan 27 13:31:22 2008 From: jakub.rusinek at gmail.com (Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek) Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2008 14:31:22 +0100 Subject: Firefox 3 close tab - too big? In-Reply-To: <479C7A7E.7050904@gmail.com> References: <479BBF5B.6090109@gmail.com> <1201389480.2435.0.camel@geeko> <64b14b300801261746l76347f72kb088d505d2247f5f@mail.gmail.com> <1201418851.2099.1.camel@geeko> <479C7A7E.7050904@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1201440682.2475.0.camel@geeko> > I agree close buttons should be bigger but isn't that too big of a > contrast to gtk close button? 22x22 -- Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek http://liviopl.jogger.pl/ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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In-Reply-To: <1201440682.2475.0.camel@geeko> References: <479BBF5B.6090109@gmail.com> <1201389480.2435.0.camel@geeko> <64b14b300801261746l76347f72kb088d505d2247f5f@mail.gmail.com> <1201418851.2099.1.camel@geeko> <479C7A7E.7050904@gmail.com> <1201440682.2475.0.camel@geeko> Message-ID: <479C9A7D.4010604@gmail.com> Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek wrote: >> I agree close buttons should be bigger but isn't that too big of a >> contrast to gtk close button? > > 22x22 That means nothing to me :( From valent.turkovic at gmail.com Sun Jan 27 14:53:54 2008 From: valent.turkovic at gmail.com (Valent Turkovic) Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2008 15:53:54 +0100 Subject: Transparency :) Message-ID: <479C9B02.8090700@gmail.com> I found this gtk theme engine [1] with transparency and would love to see it in fedora if possible. What do you thing about it? The screenshots look amazingly beautiful. [1] http://www.cimitan.com/blog/2007/12/12/gtk-rgba-transparent-widgets-with-the-murrine-engine From valent.turkovic at gmail.com Sun Jan 27 14:57:44 2008 From: valent.turkovic at gmail.com (Valent Turkovic) Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2008 15:57:44 +0100 Subject: fedora 9 codenames In-Reply-To: <1201107705.10189.18.camel@geeko> References: <1201107705.10189.18.camel@geeko> Message-ID: <479C9BE8.8070306@gmail.com> Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek wrote: > Hi, > > I'm really not satisfied. Names suggested as F9 codenames are worst > than... PoKeMons. Relax, it will grow on you. I personally didn't like it the first time but when I read the story behind the name I liked it :) I'm starting to like feodra way of doing things :) Valent. From valent.turkovic at gmail.com Sun Jan 27 15:03:39 2008 From: valent.turkovic at gmail.com (Valent Turkovic) Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2008 16:03:39 +0100 Subject: Hi Fedora Art list! In-Reply-To: <604aa7910801220958p2d461abft9d348e3cdba74d33@mail.gmail.com> References: <47961F3E.5010606@redhat.com> <604aa7910801220958p2d461abft9d348e3cdba74d33@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <479C9D4B.6000808@gmail.com> Jeff Spaleta wrote: > On Jan 22, 2008 7:52 AM, Colby Hoke wrote: >> Thanks to a suggestion from Nicu Buculei, I've joined this list mostly >> out of interest in an Art Studio spin of Fedora. I've been working with >> gdk and jspaleta on getting a Fedora repo-ready version of Kino out >> there for people to make their own videos in the Fedora world. > > Now that fedoratv is public knowledge let's take a moment and re-cap > where things stand on what we've been poking at. First to say I love FedoraTV! It is a fabulous idea! Questions: 1. Why not fedoratv.org ? 2. When will fedoratv work with swfdec? Now flash videos work only with proprietary flash plugin. Valent From valent.turkovic at gmail.com Sun Jan 27 15:08:55 2008 From: valent.turkovic at gmail.com (Valent Turkovic) Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2008 16:08:55 +0100 Subject: Hi Fedora Art list! In-Reply-To: <604aa7910801221022m4b00226cq1496a0d73d35d131@mail.gmail.com> References: <47961F3E.5010606@redhat.com> <604aa7910801220958p2d461abft9d348e3cdba74d33@mail.gmail.com> <47962FB1.9030706@redhat.com> <604aa7910801221004v319143a1pf92c0c3f7693fad@mail.gmail.com> <479630B6.8040401@redhat.com> <47963382.6070100@fedoraproject.org> <4796324A.80805@redhat.com> <604aa7910801221018k477a0c7bxf1f35518a872a694@mail.gmail.com> <604aa7910801221022m4b00226cq1496a0d73d35d131@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <479C9E87.7020908@gmail.com> Jeff Spaleta wrote: > On Jan 22, 2008 9:18 AM, Jeff Spaleta wrote: >> On Jan 22, 2008 9:13 AM, M?ir?n Duffy wrote: >>> Are there any plans to communicate what Fedora TV actually is to people >>> who didn't go to fudcon in a scalable way? >> That's what I'm trying to do in this thread! >> >> fedoratv is a codebase is pretty rough around the edges. >> I believe greg is putting the hosts.fedoraproject.org instance in >> place so that the right people can start tracking issues. The beta on >> the branding is no lie. > > I just uploaded a fudcon photo. > http://fedoratv.com/vlog/spoleeba?photo=1 > > > The browsing is really...rough. My photo is uploaded but its not > showing up in the browsable material....but it did in fact upload :-> > > -jef I tried uploading one png and it failed for me. I'll give you a screenshot in hope it helps you in some way. I'm not complaining as I'm not expecting it to work, I know it is still in development. http://www.uploadgeek.com/uploads456/0/fedoratv.png Valent. From valent.turkovic at gmail.com Sun Jan 27 15:15:05 2008 From: valent.turkovic at gmail.com (Valent Turkovic) Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2008 16:15:05 +0100 Subject: Hi Fedora Art list! In-Reply-To: <604aa7910801221101k27b6cd98m50c51eef064ec49a@mail.gmail.com> References: <47961F3E.5010606@redhat.com> <604aa7910801220958p2d461abft9d348e3cdba74d33@mail.gmail.com> <47962FB1.9030706@redhat.com> <604aa7910801221004v319143a1pf92c0c3f7693fad@mail.gmail.com> <479630B6.8040401@redhat.com> <47963382.6070100@fedoraproject.org> <479638E8.5060702@redhat.com> <604aa7910801221101k27b6cd98m50c51eef064ec49a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <479C9FF9.2000804@gmail.com> Jeff Spaleta wrote: > On Jan 22, 2008 9:41 AM, Colby Hoke wrote: >> FedoraTV is working for images - I'm trying to keep that as I think it's >> pretty important. I've uploaded a couple so far as tests. It's also >> supporting audio - I think that's just as important, > > Audio only content will be HUGE. Once we start making competent > screencasted activity tutorials... being able to submit alternative > audio tracks for videos makes it a hell of a lot easier to re-compose > localized versions of the vids without having to re-shoot the vids. > > -jef If there will be a possibility for videos to have multiple language tracks that will be awesome and something really revolutionary! I haven't heard or seen anybody doing that online but maybe somebody has, you never know. Valent. From valent.turkovic at gmail.com Sun Jan 27 15:18:16 2008 From: valent.turkovic at gmail.com (Valent Turkovic) Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2008 16:18:16 +0100 Subject: Hi Fedora Art list! In-Reply-To: <1201027662.31829.6.camel@pc-notebook> References: <47961F3E.5010606@redhat.com> <604aa7910801220958p2d461abft9d348e3cdba74d33@mail.gmail.com> <1201027662.31829.6.camel@pc-notebook> Message-ID: <479CA0B8.8020305@gmail.com> Martin Sourada wrote: > On Tue, 2008-01-22 at 08:58 -0900, Jeff Spaleta wrote: >> On Jan 22, 2008 7:52 AM, Colby Hoke wrote: >>> Thanks to a suggestion from Nicu Buculei, I've joined this list mostly >>> out of interest in an Art Studio spin of Fedora. I've been working with >>> gdk and jspaleta on getting a Fedora repo-ready version of Kino out >>> there for people to make their own videos in the Fedora world. >> Now that fedoratv is public knowledge let's take a moment and re-cap >> where things stand on what we've been poking at. >> >> Fedoratv needs work, but its basically where we want to drive Fedora >> related content as a place to dogfood open codecs associated tools by >> generating our own project relevant content. Open media isn't going to >> get better until we have a real reason to use it. Fedoratv will be the >> open service where the Fedora's media needs will be met. >> >> But Fedoratv is just the service, we also need to make client side >> video editting an out-of-box reality. It doesn't have to be perfect, >> it just has to be good enough so that people can edit content for >> consumption on fedoratv. Let me explain what we need to be able to >> ship out-of-the-box in Fedora on the clientside. >> 1)reliable dv camera capture for some subset of camera hardware >> 2)kino as the default dv video editor which can export into ogg theora >> video for upload to fedoratv >> >> Okay so where are the problems: >> First... firewire and dv cameras. There have been some technical >> problems with the new kernel firewire stack which have seen >> improvement in update f8 kernels. >> Speaking of which, Colby, does firewire dv capture work for you in the >> latest f8 kernels? >> >> >> A basic stripped down kino which can take raw dv and export to theora >> is absolutely doable. >> You don't get access to control over interlacing (via gst-ffmpeg >> plugin) and other things which semi-profession video people will want. >> But for basic community web content, it will export theora with a >> vorbis audio stream. On top of that if ffmpeg is on the system kino >> is smart enough to see it and enable more export options. >> >> The only problem is, we've no out-of-the-box way to convert use theora >> video clips as source material in kino. Kino internally uses dv, and >> through the magic of ffmpeg it can import other formats and convert >> them internally to dv. The problem is we don't have a Fedora >> shippable way to convert theora to dv, as far as I can tell. And >> that's a problem. It would be extremely useful if people could take >> theora screencasts as source material into kino to mix with dv >> footage, and re-export as theora again. >> >> Yes, yes.. video purist out there are cringing at the thought of >> mixing dv and compressed video, but the goal here is good enough for >> fedoratv.. not good enough for professional sport drink commercials. >> The state of video is such that we can't wait for a profession quality >> open editor tool to fall out of the sky. We have to start here, and >> then find people willing to take up the challenge to create the next >> generation of open editting tools so we can produce even better >> content. >> >> So how do we get theora vids converted to dv for kino to use as source >> material? I do not know. Stripping down a version of ffmpeg as >> something shippable in fedora is a near impossible task, and would >> require legal review regardless. I haven't found an existing >> gstreamer plugin that lets me do it that could in the future be >> promoted to 'good' and shipped in fedora. So if someone knows a way >> to convert theora to dv out-of-the-box in fedora right now, I want to >> know how to do it. Kino lets you add custom import scripts, so once >> we have a commandline way to do the conversion, kino gains it as an >> import method. >> >> -jef >> > > Seems cool, one question though. Are you considering using the matroska > container for the videos available for download as well? I believe it is > superior to ogm/flv in many areas. > > Thanks, > Martin I have little experience with matroska container can you please point out the most obvious advantages it has over ogg container. Thanks. From martin.sourada at gmail.com Sun Jan 27 15:51:04 2008 From: martin.sourada at gmail.com (Martin Sourada) Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2008 16:51:04 +0100 Subject: Hi Fedora Art list! In-Reply-To: <479CA0B8.8020305@gmail.com> References: <47961F3E.5010606@redhat.com> <604aa7910801220958p2d461abft9d348e3cdba74d33@mail.gmail.com> <1201027662.31829.6.camel@pc-notebook> <479CA0B8.8020305@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1201449064.7165.60.camel@pc-notebook> On Sun, 2008-01-27 at 16:18 +0100, Valent Turkovic wrote: > I have little experience with matroska container can you please point > out the most obvious advantages it has over ogg container. > > Thanks. > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_container_formats http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matroska http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OGM http://www.matroska.org/ Obviously, it has wider support of the content inside (you can have there audio/video/subtitles in almost any codec/format you have in mind), it's also good for streaming, supports dvd-like menus. And, though not that important, quoting from their homepage: "Matroska aims to become THE standard of multimedia container formats." Martin -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From valent.turkovic at gmail.com Sun Jan 27 16:07:00 2008 From: valent.turkovic at gmail.com (Valent Turkovic) Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2008 17:07:00 +0100 Subject: [Echo]Update on accessories-dictionary icon In-Reply-To: <1201351431.7165.5.camel@pc-notebook> References: <1201317324.479aa5cc915d1@ssl.mecca.ca> <1201351431.7165.5.camel@pc-notebook> Message-ID: <479CAC24.7070104@gmail.com> Martin Sourada wrote: > On Fri, 2008-01-25 at 22:15 -0500, Luya Tshimbalanga wrote: >> I had a busy week with a lot of assignment for Graphic Design class. As a >> result, it took me long to update the icons. Here is the set of icons using a >> magnifying class to symbolize the dictionary. Feel to suggest otherwise. >> > > Somehow I still don't recognise this as dictionary icon, this one looks > to me like content search or something. Maybe putting a flag on the book To me also this looks like search of some sort... From valent.turkovic at gmail.com Sun Jan 27 16:14:29 2008 From: valent.turkovic at gmail.com (Valent Turkovic) Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2008 17:14:29 +0100 Subject: Firefox 3 close tab - too big? In-Reply-To: <1201440682.2475.0.camel@geeko> References: <479BBF5B.6090109@gmail.com> <1201389480.2435.0.camel@geeko> <64b14b300801261746l76347f72kb088d505d2247f5f@mail.gmail.com> <1201418851.2099.1.camel@geeko> <479C7A7E.7050904@gmail.com> <1201440682.2475.0.camel@geeko> Message-ID: <479CADE5.6030900@gmail.com> Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek wrote: >> I agree close buttons should be bigger but isn't that too big of a >> contrast to gtk close button? > > 22x22 look at a icon I have in Firefox now under Fedora 8: http://www.zshare.net/image/69245898a962e7/ Firefox 3 close tab button looks way out of place and too big for me compared to close window button. From valent.turkovic at gmail.com Sun Jan 27 15:56:13 2008 From: valent.turkovic at gmail.com (Valent Turkovic) Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2008 16:56:13 +0100 Subject: Imagine In-Reply-To: <4769870C.4040409@fedoraproject.org> References: <4769870C.4040409@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <479CA99D.2050403@gmail.com> Rahul Sundaram wrote: > Hi > > Imagine.... a theme around this > > http://tieguy.org/blog/2007/12/19/happyhappyjoyjoy/ > > Rahul +1 for fedora happyhappy theme :) From markg85 at gmail.com Sun Jan 27 16:51:11 2008 From: markg85 at gmail.com (Mark) Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2008 17:51:11 +0100 Subject: Firefox Trunk tangoified In-Reply-To: <1201444156.3975.7.camel@geeko> References: <1201444156.3975.7.camel@geeko> Message-ID: <6e24a8e80801270851u5800d607vfae885e6de8ee933@mail.gmail.com> 2008/1/27, Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek : > Hi, > > I want to tell you the good news. > > Firefox in Trunk is now better tangoified :) ! > Still some icons are missing, but Firefox is nearer its release :) . > > I think that you should see what progress is being made and try to make > Echo so beautiful and vibrant. > > Imo, the current Echo has no life and its perspective doesn't play well > with GNOME nor KDE (most of GNOME apps are going to use Tango!, not Echo > and KDE apps are going to use Oxygen). > > PS: I wonder is some beautiful day Fedora can be tangoified so well. Now > I'm filing bugs against different programs, about hardcoded pixmaps. > Also, some of our config tools names should be included in > icon-naming-utils (freedesktop.org specs). > > -- > Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek > http://liviopl.jogger.pl/ I think you have made your point clear now about the echo bashing. (you bash on it as often as you can). The people who make Echo will likely not like your continuous bashing. And about the firefox tangofied.. do you have a screenshot? i rather don't install it yet (did so a few days ago but reverted back to 2.0). And for Oxygen. I personally think that Echo is a nice attempt but won't really get off the ground in a distribution anytime soon so perhaps Oxygen can be used. It's a (nearly) finished icon theme anyway. From markg85 at gmail.com Sun Jan 27 16:56:14 2008 From: markg85 at gmail.com (Mark) Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2008 17:56:14 +0100 Subject: Transparency :) In-Reply-To: <479C9B02.8090700@gmail.com> References: <479C9B02.8090700@gmail.com> Message-ID: <6e24a8e80801270856y4ed098f5h11a5c624cee792ce@mail.gmail.com> 2008/1/27, Valent Turkovic : > I found this gtk theme engine [1] with transparency and would love to > see it in fedora if possible. > What do you thing about it? > The screenshots look amazingly beautiful. > > [1] > http://www.cimitan.com/blog/2007/12/12/gtk-rgba-transparent-widgets-with-the-murrine-engine That's looking good! From chiheb.chabchoub at gmail.com Sun Jan 27 17:39:19 2008 From: chiheb.chabchoub at gmail.com (Chabchoub Chiheb) Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2008 18:39:19 +0100 Subject: Transparency :) In-Reply-To: <479C9B02.8090700@gmail.com> References: <479C9B02.8090700@gmail.com> Message-ID: +1 it's beautiful !! 2008/1/27, Valent Turkovic : > > I found this gtk theme engine [1] with transparency and would love to > see it in fedora if possible. > What do you thing about it? > The screenshots look amazingly beautiful. > > [1] > > http://www.cimitan.com/blog/2007/12/12/gtk-rgba-transparent-widgets-with-the-murrine-engine > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list > -- Chiheb CHABCHOUB _________________________________ Computer and Network Engineering Student Fedora Ambassador, TUNISIA, Northen Africa -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I had big button too (which I liked!). Now it's "normal", because I do not like 16x16 close icon. It's ugly. http://img.wklej.org/images/77069shot.png -- Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek http://liviopl.jogger.pl/ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: To jest cz??? wiadomo?ci podpisana cyfrowo URL: From valent.turkovic at gmail.com Sun Jan 27 20:58:10 2008 From: valent.turkovic at gmail.com (Valent Turkovic) Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2008 21:58:10 +0100 Subject: Transparency :) In-Reply-To: <1201459710.2258.4.camel@geeko> References: <479C9B02.8090700@gmail.com> <1201459710.2258.4.camel@geeko> Message-ID: <64b14b300801271258j39de894cw12b1ed181b17a677@mail.gmail.com> 2008/1/27 Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek : > Dnia 27-01-2008, nie o godzinie 15:53 +0100, Valent Turkovic pisze: > > > I found this gtk theme engine [1] with transparency and would love to > > see it in fedora if possible. > > What do you thing about it? > > The screenshots look amazingly beautiful. > > > > [1] > > http://www.cimitan.com/blog/2007/12/12/gtk-rgba-transparent-widgets-with-the-murrine-engine > > It requires GTK2 from SVN with special patch applied. > How special is the "special patch" ? Will it be incorporated upstream if it doesn't have any horrible bugs and doesn't break anything? -- http://kernelreloaded.blog385.com/ linux, blog, anime, spirituality, windsurf, wireless registered as user #367004 with the Linux Counter, http://counter.li.org. ICQ: 2125241, Skype: valent.turkovic From jakub.rusinek at gmail.com Sun Jan 27 21:07:18 2008 From: jakub.rusinek at gmail.com (Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek) Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2008 22:07:18 +0100 Subject: Transparency :) In-Reply-To: <64b14b300801271258j39de894cw12b1ed181b17a677@mail.gmail.com> References: <479C9B02.8090700@gmail.com> <1201459710.2258.4.camel@geeko> <64b14b300801271258j39de894cw12b1ed181b17a677@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1201468039.2531.0.camel@geeko> Dnia 27-01-2008, nie o godzinie 21:58 +0100, Valent Turkovic pisze: > 2008/1/27 Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek : > > Dnia 27-01-2008, nie o godzinie 15:53 +0100, Valent Turkovic pisze: > > > > > I found this gtk theme engine [1] with transparency and would love to > > > see it in fedora if possible. > > > What do you thing about it? > > > The screenshots look amazingly beautiful. > > > > > > [1] > > > http://www.cimitan.com/blog/2007/12/12/gtk-rgba-transparent-widgets-with-the-murrine-engine > > > > It requires GTK2 from SVN with special patch applied. > > > > How special is the "special patch" ? Will it be incorporated upstream > if it doesn't have any horrible bugs and doesn't break anything? Not sure but probably it would be the same situation as with macmenu patch :> . Forgotten :> . -- Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek http://liviopl.jogger.pl/ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Will it be incorporated upstream > > if it doesn't have any horrible bugs and doesn't break anything? > > Not sure but probably it would be the same situation as with macmenu > patch :> . Forgotten :> . > So you are saying that there is no special reason why is upstream gnome would reject it? Can you send this patch to upstream gnome? Valent. -- http://kernelreloaded.blog385.com/ linux, blog, anime, spirituality, windsurf, wireless registered as user #367004 with the Linux Counter, http://counter.li.org. ICQ: 2125241, Skype: valent.turkovic From david at lovesunix.net Sun Jan 27 23:43:00 2008 From: david at lovesunix.net (David Nielsen) Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2008 00:43:00 +0100 Subject: Transparency :) In-Reply-To: <1201468039.2531.0.camel@geeko> References: <479C9B02.8090700@gmail.com> <1201459710.2258.4.camel@geeko> <64b14b300801271258j39de894cw12b1ed181b17a677@mail.gmail.com> <1201468039.2531.0.camel@geeko> Message-ID: <1201477380.3528.40.camel@localhost.localdomain> s?n, 27 01 2008 kl. 22:07 +0100, skrev Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek: > Dnia 27-01-2008, nie o godzinie 21:58 +0100, Valent Turkovic pisze: > > 2008/1/27 Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek : > > > Dnia 27-01-2008, nie o godzinie 15:53 +0100, Valent Turkovic pisze: > > > > > > > I found this gtk theme engine [1] with transparency and would love to > > > > see it in fedora if possible. > > > > What do you thing about it? > > > > The screenshots look amazingly beautiful. > > > > > > > > [1] > > > > http://www.cimitan.com/blog/2007/12/12/gtk-rgba-transparent-widgets-with-the-murrine-engine > > > > > > It requires GTK2 from SVN with special patch applied. > > > > > > > How special is the "special patch" ? Will it be incorporated upstream > > if it doesn't have any horrible bugs and doesn't break anything? > > Not sure but probably it would be the same situation as with macmenu > patch :> . Forgotten :> . The detached menu patch has not been forgotten, the code was unacceptable for upstream. However now someone has taken the concept and started writing a nicer solution for this which is being evaluated for inclusion. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: Dette er en digitalt underskrevet brevdel URL: From valent.turkovic at gmail.com Mon Jan 28 00:31:12 2008 From: valent.turkovic at gmail.com (Valent Turkovic) Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2008 01:31:12 +0100 Subject: Transparency :) In-Reply-To: <1201477380.3528.40.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <479C9B02.8090700@gmail.com> <1201459710.2258.4.camel@geeko> <64b14b300801271258j39de894cw12b1ed181b17a677@mail.gmail.com> <1201468039.2531.0.camel@geeko> <1201477380.3528.40.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <64b14b300801271631j71691408y1a7eedbb1f12ecab@mail.gmail.com> 2008/1/28 David Nielsen : > > s?n, 27 01 2008 kl. 22:07 +0100, skrev Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek: > > > Dnia 27-01-2008, nie o godzinie 21:58 +0100, Valent Turkovic pisze: > > > 2008/1/27 Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek : > > > > Dnia 27-01-2008, nie o godzinie 15:53 +0100, Valent Turkovic pisze: > > > > > > > > > I found this gtk theme engine [1] with transparency and would love to > > > > > see it in fedora if possible. > > > > > What do you thing about it? > > > > > The screenshots look amazingly beautiful. > > > > > > > > > > [1] > > > > > http://www.cimitan.com/blog/2007/12/12/gtk-rgba-transparent-widgets-with-the-murrine-engine > > > > > > > > It requires GTK2 from SVN with special patch applied. > > > > > > > > > > How special is the "special patch" ? Will it be incorporated upstream > > > if it doesn't have any horrible bugs and doesn't break anything? > > > > Not sure but probably it would be the same situation as with macmenu > > patch :> . Forgotten :> . > > The detached menu patch has not been forgotten, the code was > unacceptable for upstream. However now someone has taken the concept and > started writing a nicer solution for this which is being evaluated for > inclusion. So when detached menu patch hits upstream then this gtk transparent engine will work on all gnome desktops? Awesome! Valent. -- http://kernelreloaded.blog385.com/ linux, blog, anime, spirituality, windsurf, wireless registered as user #367004 with the Linux Counter, http://counter.li.org. ICQ: 2125241, Skype: valent.turkovic From david at lovesunix.net Mon Jan 28 03:16:21 2008 From: david at lovesunix.net (David Nielsen) Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2008 04:16:21 +0100 Subject: Transparency :) In-Reply-To: <64b14b300801271631j71691408y1a7eedbb1f12ecab@mail.gmail.com> References: <479C9B02.8090700@gmail.com> <1201459710.2258.4.camel@geeko> <64b14b300801271258j39de894cw12b1ed181b17a677@mail.gmail.com> <1201468039.2531.0.camel@geeko> <1201477380.3528.40.camel@localhost.localdomain> <64b14b300801271631j71691408y1a7eedbb1f12ecab@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1201490181.3528.43.camel@localhost.localdomain> man, 28 01 2008 kl. 01:31 +0100, skrev Valent Turkovic: > 2008/1/28 David Nielsen : > > > > s?n, 27 01 2008 kl. 22:07 +0100, skrev Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek: > > > > > Dnia 27-01-2008, nie o godzinie 21:58 +0100, Valent Turkovic pisze: > > > > 2008/1/27 Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek : > > > > > Dnia 27-01-2008, nie o godzinie 15:53 +0100, Valent Turkovic pisze: > > > > > > > > > > > I found this gtk theme engine [1] with transparency and would love to > > > > > > see it in fedora if possible. > > > > > > What do you thing about it? > > > > > > The screenshots look amazingly beautiful. > > > > > > > > > > > > [1] > > > > > > http://www.cimitan.com/blog/2007/12/12/gtk-rgba-transparent-widgets-with-the-murrine-engine > > > > > > > > > > It requires GTK2 from SVN with special patch applied. > > > > > > > > > > > > > How special is the "special patch" ? Will it be incorporated upstream > > > > if it doesn't have any horrible bugs and doesn't break anything? > > > > > > Not sure but probably it would be the same situation as with macmenu > > > patch :> . Forgotten :> . > > > > The detached menu patch has not been forgotten, the code was > > unacceptable for upstream. However now someone has taken the concept and > > started writing a nicer solution for this which is being evaluated for > > inclusion. > > So when detached menu patch hits upstream then this gtk transparent > engine will work on all gnome desktops? Awesome! No.. then the "mac" style menu will work. The alpha transparency patch I haven't followed. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: Dette er en digitalt underskrevet brevdel URL: From jakub.rusinek at gmail.com Mon Jan 28 05:48:26 2008 From: jakub.rusinek at gmail.com (Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek) Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2008 06:48:26 +0100 Subject: Transparency :) In-Reply-To: <64b14b300801271532te7b68d5t71bac5f90b392d95@mail.gmail.com> References: <479C9B02.8090700@gmail.com> <1201459710.2258.4.camel@geeko> <64b14b300801271258j39de894cw12b1ed181b17a677@mail.gmail.com> <1201468039.2531.0.camel@geeko> <64b14b300801271532te7b68d5t71bac5f90b392d95@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1201499306.2849.2.camel@geeko> > So you are saying that there is no special reason why is upstream > gnome would reject it? Can you send this patch to upstream gnome? It could be just forgotten, like other bugs and patches in their bugzilla... Ie. icon view in file picker, single click i file picker, tooltips over files and folders in Nautilus... BTW, GNOME developers are just doing NOTHING useful to end used. How useful is GNOME-VFS ? GVFS/GIO change to end user? It would see no difference... -- Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek http://liviopl.jogger.pl/ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: To jest cz??? wiadomo?ci podpisana cyfrowo URL: From valent.turkovic at gmail.com Mon Jan 28 06:55:08 2008 From: valent.turkovic at gmail.com (Valent Turkovic) Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2008 07:55:08 +0100 Subject: Transparency :) In-Reply-To: <1201499306.2849.2.camel@geeko> References: <479C9B02.8090700@gmail.com> <1201459710.2258.4.camel@geeko> <64b14b300801271258j39de894cw12b1ed181b17a677@mail.gmail.com> <1201468039.2531.0.camel@geeko> <64b14b300801271532te7b68d5t71bac5f90b392d95@mail.gmail.com> <1201499306.2849.2.camel@geeko> Message-ID: <64b14b300801272255v650c8ef6vb62d76c31114290c@mail.gmail.com> 2008/1/28 Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek : > > So you are saying that there is no special reason why is upstream > > gnome would reject it? Can you send this patch to upstream gnome? > > It could be just forgotten, like other bugs and patches in their > bugzilla... > > Ie. icon view in file picker, single click i file picker, tooltips over > files and folders in Nautilus... > > BTW, GNOME developers are just doing NOTHING useful to end used. How > useful is GNOME-VFS ? GVFS/GIO change to end user? It would see no > difference... Is Gnome in such a bad state that they can't include a patch? What is going on with gnome? I see KDE team doing some amazing stuff with KDE4 and I wonder how they can do it and gnome can't do such "simple" things... Valent -- http://kernelreloaded.blog385.com/ linux, blog, anime, spirituality, windsurf, wireless registered as user #367004 with the Linux Counter, http://counter.li.org. ICQ: 2125241, Skype: valent.turkovic From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Mon Jan 28 09:13:41 2008 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2008 11:13:41 +0200 Subject: Help with the metaphor... [Fwd: And the F9 codename winner is...] Message-ID: <479D9CC5.2000508@nicubunu.ro> Can someone help me understand the metaphor behind the "Sulphur" name? The only thing I can think of is sulphur is somewhat related to dragons and dragons are, like werewolves, mythical creatures. How far am I? -------- Original Message -------- Subject: And the F9 codename winner is... Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2008 20:47:15 -0600 From: Josh Boyer Fedora 9 (Sulphur) Try as they might, the Bathysphere lobbyists failed in their quest to have the little round ships be the moniker for Fedora 9. Instead, by a narrow margin, the community has chosen Sulphur to be the codename for Fedora 9. Full election results below. Fedora Art team, let the themes begin! josh vote_count | name ------------+---------------- 62 | Sulphur 54 | Bathysphere 43 | Chupacabra 39 | Mayonnaise 32 | Dragicorn 29 | Woodwose 23 | Tourette 13 | Asperger 13 | Barmanou 10 | Chingachgook 6 | Kingsport Town 5 | Marfan -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Mon Jan 28 10:18:50 2008 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2008 15:48:50 +0530 Subject: Help with the metaphor... [Fwd: And the F9 codename winner is...] In-Reply-To: <479D9CC5.2000508@nicubunu.ro> References: <479D9CC5.2000508@nicubunu.ro> Message-ID: <479DAC0A.3000909@fedoraproject.org> Nicu Buculei wrote: > Can someone help me understand the metaphor behind the "Sulphur" name? > The only thing I can think of is sulphur is somewhat related to dragons > and dragons are, like werewolves, mythical creatures. How far am I? Not very far http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/Names Rahul From david at lovesunix.net Mon Jan 28 10:43:33 2008 From: david at lovesunix.net (David Nielsen) Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2008 11:43:33 +0100 Subject: Transparency :) In-Reply-To: <64b14b300801272255v650c8ef6vb62d76c31114290c@mail.gmail.com> References: <479C9B02.8090700@gmail.com> <1201459710.2258.4.camel@geeko> <64b14b300801271258j39de894cw12b1ed181b17a677@mail.gmail.com> <1201468039.2531.0.camel@geeko> <64b14b300801271532te7b68d5t71bac5f90b392d95@mail.gmail.com> <1201499306.2849.2.camel@geeko> <64b14b300801272255v650c8ef6vb62d76c31114290c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1201517014.3528.68.camel@localhost.localdomain> man, 28 01 2008 kl. 07:55 +0100, skrev Valent Turkovic: > 2008/1/28 Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek : > > > So you are saying that there is no special reason why is upstream > > > gnome would reject it? Can you send this patch to upstream gnome? > > > > It could be just forgotten, like other bugs and patches in their > > bugzilla... > > > > Ie. icon view in file picker, single click i file picker, tooltips over > > files and folders in Nautilus... > > > > BTW, GNOME developers are just doing NOTHING useful to end used. How > > useful is GNOME-VFS ? GVFS/GIO change to end user? It would see no > > difference... > > Is Gnome in such a bad state that they can't include a patch? What is > going on with gnome? I see KDE team doing some amazing stuff with KDE4 > and I wonder how they can do it and gnome can't do such "simple" > things... We have standards for quality of code, we do after all have to maintain it. It needs to work, it needs to not introduce bugs and so on. The two of us appear to have very little understanding for how programming and design works. Just because you can't see a change doesn't mean it's not important. gvfs e.g. plays an important part in making pretty much every feature Jakub listed work the right way. I would recommend that you actually examine the rationale behind something like gvfs, do some research. And please be respectful when asking questions.. don't start out by insulting the developers by saying what they are spending their time on is useless without understanding what it really is. - David Nielsen -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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The two > of us appear to have very little understanding for how programming and > design works. Just because you can't see a change doesn't mean it's not > important. gvfs e.g. plays an important part in making pretty much every > feature Jakub listed work the right way. > > I would recommend that you actually examine the rationale behind > something like gvfs, do some research. And please be respectful when > asking questions.. don't start out by insulting the developers by saying > what they are spending their time on is useless without understanding > what it really is. > > - David Nielsen Agreed, anyway, I would wonder what the patches behind the transparency are, so far I've seen only big words and some (awesome looking) pictures. That's not enough. And I also have some doubts as to the implementation mentioned in the blog entry about which this thread started. I think having apps to enable/disable real transparency is the wrong way. It should be enabled in the gtk + gtk theme engine + window manager combination. Adding even a single line to each application to enable transparency is IMHO dirty and leads to inconsistency throughout the desktop. Martin -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From markg85 at gmail.com Mon Jan 28 13:45:40 2008 From: markg85 at gmail.com (Mark) Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2008 14:45:40 +0100 Subject: Transparency :) In-Reply-To: <1201517014.3528.68.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <479C9B02.8090700@gmail.com> <1201459710.2258.4.camel@geeko> <64b14b300801271258j39de894cw12b1ed181b17a677@mail.gmail.com> <1201468039.2531.0.camel@geeko> <64b14b300801271532te7b68d5t71bac5f90b392d95@mail.gmail.com> <1201499306.2849.2.camel@geeko> <64b14b300801272255v650c8ef6vb62d76c31114290c@mail.gmail.com> <1201517014.3528.68.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <6e24a8e80801280545n31cbd8bcncd415e6379dc5299@mail.gmail.com> 2008/1/28, David Nielsen : > > We have standards for quality of code, we do after all have to maintain > it. It needs to work, it needs to not introduce bugs and so on. The two > of us appear to have very little understanding for how programming and > design works. Just because you can't see a change doesn't mean it's not > important. gvfs e.g. plays an important part in making pretty much every > feature Jakub listed work the right way. > > I would recommend that you actually examine the rationale behind > something like gvfs, do some research. And please be respectful when > asking questions.. don't start out by insulting the developers by saying > what they are spending their time on is useless without understanding > what it really is. > > - David Nielsen Completely agreed on that one. But i must add to it that gnome could just do some more things that will be noticeable to there users. Lets sum up a few simple ones: 1. More general thumbnail support 2. Truncation of text below icons (lets say 2 lines MAX) 3. Easy to understand configuration and not moved over 2 different applications (hinting to preferred applications) And what has been done about those points? 1. i supplied a thumbnail patch a while back and it got modified and than accepted. it's in gnome since 2.20 but the thumbnail look is still the same! thumbnails are now (and always where) extremely big compared to an icon. that should change. the default should be that a thumbnail is the same size as an icon. Looks way better on my desktop 2. There is a bug report on gnome's bugzilla that's standing open since about 2002 if i'm right to finally get that truncating in gnome. they just keep popping up with excuses why they can't!! simply because pango doesn't support it. and there is a bug report that is reporting that one as well. Development is just going slow in that area. 3. I've recently installed the new nautilus (2.21.something) and that one improved a lot in that area. But now they made the mistake to let nautilus do the preferred applications which is fine when you use nautilus. but lets say i want to use Dolphin as the file manager and remove nautilus.. gone are the preferred applications and they won't come back.. And so the list can grow and grow. Gnome is doing some awesome things under the hood but not much that a normal user will notice, which is a same. I'm using gnome BTW ^_^ From mclasen at redhat.com Mon Jan 28 13:51:21 2008 From: mclasen at redhat.com (Matthias Clasen) Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2008 08:51:21 -0500 Subject: Transparency :) In-Reply-To: <6e24a8e80801280545n31cbd8bcncd415e6379dc5299@mail.gmail.com> References: <479C9B02.8090700@gmail.com> <1201459710.2258.4.camel@geeko> <64b14b300801271258j39de894cw12b1ed181b17a677@mail.gmail.com> <1201468039.2531.0.camel@geeko> <64b14b300801271532te7b68d5t71bac5f90b392d95@mail.gmail.com> <1201499306.2849.2.camel@geeko> <64b14b300801272255v650c8ef6vb62d76c31114290c@mail.gmail.com> <1201517014.3528.68.camel@localhost.localdomain> <6e24a8e80801280545n31cbd8bcncd415e6379dc5299@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1201528281.2882.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Mon, 2008-01-28 at 14:45 +0100, Mark wrote: > > And so the list can grow and grow. Gnome is doing some awesome things > under the hood but not much that a normal user will notice, which is a > same. I'm using gnome BTW ^_^ > Please, take it off this list. Gnome development questions are best discussed on desktop-devel-list at gnome.org From duffy at redhat.com Mon Jan 28 14:26:01 2008 From: duffy at redhat.com (=?UTF-8?B?TcOhaXLDrW4gRHVmZnk=?=) Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2008 09:26:01 -0500 Subject: Transparency :) In-Reply-To: <1201499306.2849.2.camel@geeko> References: <479C9B02.8090700@gmail.com> <1201459710.2258.4.camel@geeko> <64b14b300801271258j39de894cw12b1ed181b17a677@mail.gmail.com> <1201468039.2531.0.camel@geeko> <64b14b300801271532te7b68d5t71bac5f90b392d95@mail.gmail.com> <1201499306.2849.2.camel@geeko> Message-ID: <479DE5F9.50305@redhat.com> Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek wrote: >> So you are saying that there is no special reason why is upstream >> gnome would reject it? Can you send this patch to upstream gnome? > > It could be just forgotten, like other bugs and patches in their > bugzilla... > > Ie. icon view in file picker, single click i file picker, tooltips over > files and folders in Nautilus... > > BTW, GNOME developers are just doing NOTHING useful to end used. How > useful is GNOME-VFS ? GVFS/GIO change to end user? It would see no > difference... This is not the correct forum in which to discuss this. Although, I don't think ANYwhere is an appropriate place for this kind of trolling. You don't think GNOME developers are doing anything useful to end users? Do you even know any GNOME developers and what they are working on? Please take this elsewhere, it does not belong here. ~m From nisses.mail at home.se Mon Jan 28 15:25:59 2008 From: nisses.mail at home.se (Andreas Nilsson) Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2008 16:25:59 +0100 Subject: Firefox Trunk tangoified In-Reply-To: <6e24a8e80801270851u5800d607vfae885e6de8ee933@mail.gmail.com> References: <1201444156.3975.7.camel@geeko> <6e24a8e80801270851u5800d607vfae885e6de8ee933@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <479DF407.2090201@home.se> Mark wrote: > 2008/1/27, Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek : > >> Hi, >> >> I want to tell you the good news. >> >> Firefox in Trunk is now better tangoified :) ! >> Still some icons are missing, but Firefox is nearer its release :) . >> >> I think that you should see what progress is being made and try to make >> Echo so beautiful and vibrant. >> >> Imo, the current Echo has no life and its perspective doesn't play well >> with GNOME nor KDE (most of GNOME apps are going to use Tango!, not Echo >> and KDE apps are going to use Oxygen). >> >> PS: I wonder is some beautiful day Fedora can be tangoified so well. Now >> I'm filing bugs against different programs, about hardcoded pixmaps. >> Also, some of our config tools names should be included in >> icon-naming-utils (freedesktop.org specs). >> >> -- >> Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek >> http://liviopl.jogger.pl/ >> > > I think you have made your point clear now about the echo bashing. > (you bash on it as often as you can). The people who make Echo will > likely not like your continuous bashing. > > And about the firefox tangofied.. do you have a screenshot? i rather > don't install it yet (did so a few days ago but reverted back to 2.0). > > And for Oxygen. I personally think that Echo is a nice attempt but > won't really get off the ground in a distribution anytime soon so > perhaps Oxygen can be used. It's a (nearly) finished icon theme > anyway. > Hi Mark! You can check it out in Michael Ventnors blog [1] (along with his other cool work on firefox3, like native gtk+ printing support etc.). It's possible to just untar one of the nightly builds into a folder in your home directory [2] so you can run both ff2 and ff3 on the same system. 1. http://ventnorsblog.blogspot.com/ 2. http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/firefox/nightly/latest-trunk/ - Andreas From markg85 at gmail.com Mon Jan 28 15:32:20 2008 From: markg85 at gmail.com (Mark) Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2008 16:32:20 +0100 Subject: Firefox Trunk tangoified In-Reply-To: <479DF407.2090201@home.se> References: <1201444156.3975.7.camel@geeko> <6e24a8e80801270851u5800d607vfae885e6de8ee933@mail.gmail.com> <479DF407.2090201@home.se> Message-ID: <6e24a8e80801280732j6cee19b9pa7e91da5d67d7a10@mail.gmail.com> 2008/1/28, Andreas Nilsson : > Hi Mark! > You can check it out in Michael Ventnors blog [1] (along with his other > cool work on firefox3, like native gtk+ printing support etc.). > It's possible to just untar one of the nightly builds into a folder in > your home directory [2] so you can run both ff2 and ff3 on the same system. > > 1. http://ventnorsblog.blogspot.com/ > 2. http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/firefox/nightly/latest-trunk/ > > - Andreas Thanx but i rather stay with rawhide at the moment. From valent.turkovic at gmail.com Mon Jan 28 21:26:22 2008 From: valent.turkovic at gmail.com (Valent Turkovic) Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2008 22:26:22 +0100 Subject: Transparency :) In-Reply-To: <479DE5F9.50305@redhat.com> References: <479C9B02.8090700@gmail.com> <1201459710.2258.4.camel@geeko> <64b14b300801271258j39de894cw12b1ed181b17a677@mail.gmail.com> <1201468039.2531.0.camel@geeko> <64b14b300801271532te7b68d5t71bac5f90b392d95@mail.gmail.com> <1201499306.2849.2.camel@geeko> <479DE5F9.50305@redhat.com> Message-ID: <479E487E.1060707@gmail.com> M?ir?n Duffy wrote: > Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek wrote: >>> So you are saying that there is no special reason why is upstream >>> gnome would reject it? Can you send this patch to upstream gnome? >> >> It could be just forgotten, like other bugs and patches in their >> bugzilla... >> Ie. icon view in file picker, single click i file picker, tooltips over >> files and folders in Nautilus... >> >> BTW, GNOME developers are just doing NOTHING useful to end used. How >> useful is GNOME-VFS ? GVFS/GIO change to end user? It would see no >> difference... > > This is not the correct forum in which to discuss this. Although, I > don't think ANYwhere is an appropriate place for this kind of trolling. > You don't think GNOME developers are doing anything useful to end users? > Do you even know any GNOME developers and what they are working on? > > Please take this elsewhere, it does not belong here. > > ~m I wasn't trying to be rude or disrespectfully to gnome or gnome developers. I was just wondering about gnome. Not having english as primary language also doesn't help. Sorry if you misunderstood me. From valent.turkovic at gmail.com Mon Jan 28 21:26:48 2008 From: valent.turkovic at gmail.com (Valent Turkovic) Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2008 22:26:48 +0100 Subject: Help with the metaphor... [Fwd: And the F9 codename winner is...] In-Reply-To: <479DAC0A.3000909@fedoraproject.org> References: <479D9CC5.2000508@nicubunu.ro> <479DAC0A.3000909@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <479E4898.1070907@gmail.com> Rahul Sundaram wrote: > Nicu Buculei wrote: >> Can someone help me understand the metaphor behind the "Sulphur" name? >> The only thing I can think of is sulphur is somewhat related to >> dragons and dragons are, like werewolves, mythical creatures. How far >> am I? > > Not very far > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/Names > > Rahul > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list I like it :) From kranuja at gmail.com Tue Jan 29 14:45:20 2008 From: kranuja at gmail.com (Anuja KR) Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2008 20:15:20 +0530 Subject: wall papers Message-ID: <98b358090801290645y3c5377c4uf3131eac41b9b153@mail.gmail.com> hi, 'am a freelance graphic designer. I designed a few wall papers in gimp-fractal. check them at this link- http://s244.photobucket.com/albums/gg33/anuja-k/?action=view¤t=wave.png anuja -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From valent.turkovic at gmail.com Tue Jan 29 15:22:33 2008 From: valent.turkovic at gmail.com (Valent Turkovic) Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2008 16:22:33 +0100 Subject: wall papers In-Reply-To: <98b358090801290645y3c5377c4uf3131eac41b9b153@mail.gmail.com> References: <98b358090801290645y3c5377c4uf3131eac41b9b153@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <64b14b300801290722g779b06a0y31b1a6a1d27e3d62@mail.gmail.com> 2008/1/29 Anuja KR : > hi, > > 'am a freelance graphic designer. I designed a few wall papers in > gimp-fractal. check them at this link- > http://s244.photobucket.com/albums/gg33/anuja-k/?action=view¤t=wave.png This one in blue would be great: http://s244.photobucket.com/albums/gg33/anuja-k/?action=view¤t=redgradient.png -- http://kernelreloaded.blog385.com/ linux, blog, anime, spirituality, windsurf, wireless registered as user #367004 with the Linux Counter, http://counter.li.org. ICQ: 2125241, Skype: valent.turkovic From duffy at redhat.com Tue Jan 29 15:34:47 2008 From: duffy at redhat.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?M=E1ir=EDn_Duffy?=) Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2008 10:34:47 -0500 Subject: wall papers In-Reply-To: <98b358090801290645y3c5377c4uf3131eac41b9b153@mail.gmail.com> References: <98b358090801290645y3c5377c4uf3131eac41b9b153@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <479F4797.8000007@redhat.com> Hi Anuja, Anuja KR wrote: > hi, > > 'am a freelance graphic designer. I designed a few wall papers in > gimp-fractal. check them at this link- > http://s244.photobucket.com/albums/gg33/anuja-k/?action=view¤t=wave.png > These are really gorgeous, *great* work! It seems like a couple of them at least would fit in with the waves proposal, have you seen it? http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/F9Themes/Waves Would you mind submitting your artwork to support this proposal? Also do you have any sources available for this work, or any instructions on how maybe some of it or something similar could be reproduced using the gimp fractal tool? We need to create artwork to correspond to the wallpaper for our Round 2 (see http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/F9Themes#head-28aff5b1a5772386d9c579fb76fe154aea7f34f7) and this is easier if we can manipulate the original artwork easily. Do you have higher resolution versions available? ~m From duffy at redhat.com Tue Jan 29 15:43:44 2008 From: duffy at redhat.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?M=E1ir=EDn_Duffy?=) Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2008 10:43:44 -0500 Subject: wall papers In-Reply-To: <64b14b300801290722g779b06a0y31b1a6a1d27e3d62@mail.gmail.com> References: <98b358090801290645y3c5377c4uf3131eac41b9b153@mail.gmail.com> <64b14b300801290722g779b06a0y31b1a6a1d27e3d62@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <479F49B0.3090704@redhat.com> Valent Turkovic wrote: > 2008/1/29 Anuja KR : >> hi, >> >> 'am a freelance graphic designer. I designed a few wall papers in >> gimp-fractal. check them at this link- >> http://s244.photobucket.com/albums/gg33/anuja-k/?action=view¤t=wave.png > > This one in blue would be great: > http://s244.photobucket.com/albums/gg33/anuja-k/?action=view¤t=redgradient.png > > I agree; It looks like Anuja already made one in blue and it looks great - http://s244.photobucket.com/albums/gg33/anuja-k/?action=view¤t=lines.png ~m From choke at redhat.com Tue Jan 29 16:24:10 2008 From: choke at redhat.com (Colby Hoke) Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2008 11:24:10 -0500 Subject: wall papers In-Reply-To: <98b358090801290645y3c5377c4uf3131eac41b9b153@mail.gmail.com> References: <98b358090801290645y3c5377c4uf3131eac41b9b153@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <479F532A.9070109@redhat.com> Anuja KR wrote: > hi, > > 'am a freelance graphic designer. I designed a few wall papers in > gimp-fractal. check them at this link- > http://s244.photobucket.com/albums/gg33/anuja-k/?action=view¤t=wave.png > > > anuja > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list > Beautiful stuff! Definitely would love to see higher rez versions... I'd love to use them now! -- Colby A. Hoke Corporate Marketing [ Producer ] 919.621.8802 From duffy at redhat.com Tue Jan 29 19:05:22 2008 From: duffy at redhat.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?M=E1ir=EDn_Duffy?=) Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2008 14:05:22 -0500 Subject: wall papers In-Reply-To: <479F4797.8000007@redhat.com> References: <98b358090801290645y3c5377c4uf3131eac41b9b153@mail.gmail.com> <479F4797.8000007@redhat.com> Message-ID: <479F78F2.5080405@redhat.com> M?ir?n Duffy wrote: > Also do you have any sources available for this work, or any > instructions on how maybe some of it or something similar could be > reproduced using the gimp fractal tool? We need to create artwork to > correspond to the wallpaper for our Round 2 (see > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/F9Themes#head-28aff5b1a5772386d9c579fb76fe154aea7f34f7) > and this is easier if we can manipulate the original artwork easily. Do > you have higher resolution versions available? So I poked around and I think figured out how to reproduce something close to http://s244.photobucket.com/albums/gg33/anuja-k/?action=view¤t=wave.png: 1) Open Gimp (F8 Gimp is what I am using) and create a new document (as high res as you want, pick a portrait resolution to match the original image) 2) Go to Filters > Render > Fractal Explorer. Click over to the "Fractals" tab, choose "Flower", and hit apply. 3) In the "Colors" tab, click "Apply active gradient to final image" and select the "Blue Green" gradient. 4) In the "Parameters" tab, set the iterations value to around 100 or so, then hit okay and close the fractal explorer dialog 5) Rotate the image, image > transform > rotate 90 degrees I think with a blue=>white gradient it would look more like it. I'm attaching the gimp fractal data file I made using these steps. ~m -------------- next part -------------- An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: wave-fractal URL: From mspevack at redhat.com Tue Jan 29 21:15:14 2008 From: mspevack at redhat.com (Max Spevack) Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2008 16:15:14 -0500 (EST) Subject: new tshirts Message-ID: Hi art team, We would like to make tshirts for a variety of Fedora needs. I thought I would email this list to see if folks here wanted to work on ideas, etc. This is a very liberal request -- I don't want to put any restrictions on your ideas or designs. Stuff we are looking for: * A "general" Fedora tshirt, to replace the one we have now that is just the Fedora logo on the front. This will be our "main" swag item for, say, the next year. * a tshirt for FUDCon at the Red Hat Summit in Boston, June 2008, for everyone who shows up. * a tshirt for Fedora @ LinuxTag (biggest linux show in europe) in Berlin, May 2008, for the people in the booth and also as a giveaway. * now that we have a codename for Fedora 9, maybe some sort of tshirt that is derived from the Fedora 9 theme/artwork. Just thought I'd see what kind of discussion this generates, and try to start the discussion with a lot of lead time. thanks! As always, you guys are awesome. --Max From duffy at redhat.com Tue Jan 29 21:52:06 2008 From: duffy at redhat.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?M=E1ir=EDn_Duffy?=) Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2008 16:52:06 -0500 Subject: new tshirts In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <479FA006.9040000@redhat.com> Max Spevack wrote: > Hi art team, > > We would like to make tshirts for a variety of Fedora needs. I thought > I would email this list to see if folks here wanted to work on ideas, etc. > > This is a very liberal request -- I don't want to put any restrictions > on your ideas or designs. > > Stuff we are looking for: > > * A "general" Fedora tshirt, to replace the one we have now that is just > the Fedora logo on the front. This will be our "main" swag item for, > say, the next year. Could there be a women's sized version of this as well as a men's sized? Even a men's cut only would be okay if it was available in small. If any tshirt had both I think it should be this one since it is so basic? Some ideas for this one: - just a simple, medium-sized fedora logo (probably the vertical version) in the mid-chest area. On the back, a slogan... maybe "Freedom is a feature." or "freedom | infinity | community " with a link to fedoraproject.org. It would be nice if it was in a dark blue, maybe the same color as the infinity loop in the logo, then it's one less color to print and a little cheaper to do. - an opposite of the first idea... a clever kind of slogan on the front with the fedora on the back as the 'answer', the problem is the more clever the slogan likely the less translatable. i was thinking 'got freedom?' on the front center with the fedora logo large on the back, but there are a few languages that wouldn't work for. - a catchy graphic design on the front with the fedora logo on the back. not sure what the catchy graphic would be either. we could pick one of the 'freedom | infinity | community' ideas to focus on for the shirt (or even have a separate design for each concept :) ) and use that depiction for the front with the fedora logo and website url on the back. the graphic should be visually interesting and appeal to folks who aren't necessarily geeks, the idea being we want it to spark folks to ask the tshirt wearer about fedora. :) Will the tshirts be produced centrally and shipped out, or will separate locales be producing them locally? Perhaps if we go with some kind of slogan we can provide the source artwork for everything and make it such that it is easy to replace the text with a more appropriate slogan for that locale. > * a tshirt for FUDCon at the Red Hat Summit in Boston, June 2008, for > everyone who shows up. A few questions on this one: * Are there any sponsors that have to be listed on this shirt? * Does this need to have any Red Hat Summit logos or messaging on it or can it be just FUDCon centric? Some ideas: - some kind of boston-centric design on front with the fudcon boston logo on back. e.g. the boston sunset skyline with a fedora logo as the sun with it reflecting on boston harbor :), or maybe the Boston T trains with the T logo replaced with the Fedora f logo... - do we know what kind of outfits the summit folks are doing for the show workers if any? I remember one year at linux world we did red hat baseball jerseys, and one year at the summit there were red hat cowboy/rodeo shirts - it might be cool to have a shirt that complements the summit outfits. e.g., if the summit was doing red hat baseball jerseys, we could do fedora tshirts that were styled to look like 'fedora' team baseball shirts > * a tshirt for Fedora @ LinuxTag (biggest linux show in europe) in > Berlin, May 2008, for the people in the booth and also as a giveaway. Similar question here, are there sponsors that have to be listed on the shirt? Is LinuxTag very commercial or is it developer-centric or a mix? Trying to get a feel of what kind of show it is... do we want a shirt that is specific to the event (seems to be appropriate for developer-centric conferences) or do we want a more generic/re-usable Fedora shirt (seems more appropriate for more commercial or user-centric conferences). > * now that we have a codename for Fedora 9, maybe some sort of tshirt > that is derived from the Fedora 9 theme/artwork. Hehe, hopefully we'll have some more artwork for that soon. > > Just thought I'd see what kind of discussion this generates, and try to > start the discussion with a lot of lead time. Thanks, it's a good idea, earlier is always better :) ~m From jspaleta at gmail.com Tue Jan 29 21:52:39 2008 From: jspaleta at gmail.com (Jeff Spaleta) Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2008 12:52:39 -0900 Subject: Help with the metaphor... [Fwd: And the F9 codename winner is...] In-Reply-To: <479DAC0A.3000909@fedoraproject.org> References: <479D9CC5.2000508@nicubunu.ro> <479DAC0A.3000909@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <604aa7910801291352t79405d42nc75ae70873f14b7c@mail.gmail.com> On Jan 28, 2008 1:18 AM, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/Names So.. sulfer is the cure for what the ailments that werewolves suffer? ie.... F10 fixes problems in F9 -jef From mspevack at redhat.com Tue Jan 29 22:07:08 2008 From: mspevack at redhat.com (Max Spevack) Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2008 17:07:08 -0500 (EST) Subject: new tshirts In-Reply-To: <479FA006.9040000@redhat.com> References: <479FA006.9040000@redhat.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 29 Jan 2008, M?ir?n Duffy wrote: >> * A "general" Fedora tshirt, to replace the one we have now that is >> just the Fedora logo on the front. This will be our "main" swag item >> for, say, the next year. > > Could there be a women's sized version of this as well as a men's > sized? Even a men's cut only would be okay if it was available in > small. If any tshirt had both I think it should be this one since it > is so basic? Absolutely. > Will the tshirts be produced centrally and shipped out, or will > separate locales be producing them locally? Perhaps if we go with some > kind of slogan we can provide the source artwork for everything and > make it such that it is easy to replace the text with a more > appropriate slogan for that locale. Can't say for sure, but I *hope* it can be done in a way that we can hand the graphics to companies in different regions, and produce locally. So we could have the same general "concept", but have the text be translated or something for different regions. >> * a tshirt for FUDCon at the Red Hat Summit in Boston, June 2008, for >> everyone who shows up. > > A few questions on this one: > > * Are there any sponsors that have to be listed on this shirt? > * Does this need to have any Red Hat Summit logos or messaging on it > or can it be just FUDCon centric? No sponsors, other than Red Hat, but we don't have to put shadowman on the shirt unless we want to. If the designers want to make it related somehow to the RH Summit theme, that's fine (I'm not sure that the theme has been decided yet). It could also be totally independent. > - do we know what kind of outfits the summit folks are doing for the > show workers if any? I remember one year at linux world we did red hat > baseball jerseys, and one year at the summit there were red hat > cowboy/rodeo shirts - it might be cool to have a shirt that > complements the summit outfits. e.g., if the summit was doing red hat > baseball jerseys, we could do fedora tshirts that were styled to look > like 'fedora' team baseball shirts I don't think that stuff has been decided yet, but once it is, it would be a good idea to at least think about some sort of tie-in. >> * a tshirt for Fedora @ LinuxTag (biggest linux show in europe) in >> Berlin, May 2008, for the people in the booth and also as a giveaway. > > Similar question here, are there sponsors that have to be listed on > the shirt? Nope. > Is LinuxTag very commercial or is it developer-centric or a mix? > Trying to get a feel of what kind of show it is... do we want a shirt > that is specific to the event (seems to be appropriate for > developer-centric conferences) or do we want a more generic/re-usable > Fedora shirt (seems more appropriate for more commercial or > user-centric conferences). I found it to be very user/developer-centric. Last year our Fedora booth was right in there with Ubuntu, openSUSE, debian, gnome, kde, etc. etc. I think that if we had a shirt specific for that event that our booth staff was wearing and that we were raffling off or selling, it would go over very well. > Thanks, it's a good idea, earlier is always better :) Hope this helps! Thanks so much... --Max From valent.turkovic at gmail.com Tue Jan 29 22:24:51 2008 From: valent.turkovic at gmail.com (Valent Turkovic) Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2008 23:24:51 +0100 Subject: Help with the metaphor... [Fwd: And the F9 codename winner is...] In-Reply-To: <604aa7910801291352t79405d42nc75ae70873f14b7c@mail.gmail.com> References: <479D9CC5.2000508@nicubunu.ro> <479DAC0A.3000909@fedoraproject.org> <604aa7910801291352t79405d42nc75ae70873f14b7c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <64b14b300801291424r1b7bb457hd94268aab6663b4@mail.gmail.com> On Jan 29, 2008 10:52 PM, Jeff Spaleta wrote: > On Jan 28, 2008 1:18 AM, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/Names > > So.. sulfer is the cure for what the ailments that werewolves suffer? > ie.... > F10 fixes problems in F9 F10? you meant F9 cures F8 if I understood correctly the metaphor. -- http://kernelreloaded.blog385.com/ linux, blog, anime, spirituality, windsurf, wireless registered as user #367004 with the Linux Counter, http://counter.li.org. ICQ: 2125241, Skype: valent.turkovic From mmcgrath at redhat.com Tue Jan 29 23:24:53 2008 From: mmcgrath at redhat.com (Mike McGrath) Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2008 17:24:53 -0600 (CST) Subject: spins.fedoraproject.org Message-ID: The new spins page has kind of slipped through the cracks. Are there any art people that would be interested in turning http://chitlesh.fedorapeople.org/FEL/ into a templated system that we can use for al spins? -Mike From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Wed Jan 30 08:03:39 2008 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2008 10:03:39 +0200 Subject: new tshirts In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <47A02F5B.5000408@nicubunu.ro> Max Spevack wrote: > > We would like to make tshirts for a variety of Fedora needs. I thought > I would email this list to see if folks here wanted to work on ideas, etc. > > This is a very liberal request -- I don't want to put any restrictions > on your ideas or designs. It may be naive from my part to put such a question when I already anticipate the answer, but how about the tshirt colors? Sure, the answer is: preferably the designs would work on a large variety of backgrounds, may it be white, black, dark blue, right blue, red, pink or whatever. But from a design point of view it may be useful to know your target and use lighter colors for a dark background and darker colors for a light background (and avoid the same shade of blue for the graphic and the background). One solution can be alternative designs, light and dark. And another questions for the people on the list, as I personally don't have experience with printing tshirts in a professional manner: I understand we have to keep the colors count to a minimum due t price concerns, what is the maximum allowed number of colors, 3 or 4? -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From gerold at lugd.org Wed Jan 30 08:33:23 2008 From: gerold at lugd.org (Gerold) Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2008 09:33:23 +0100 (CET) Subject: new tshirts In-Reply-To: <47A02F5B.5000408@nicubunu.ro> References: <47A02F5B.5000408@nicubunu.ro> Message-ID: <4569.217.162.12.42.1201682003.squirrel@www.gbc.net> > Max Spevack wrote: >> >> We would like to make tshirts for a variety of Fedora needs. I thought >> I would email this list to see if folks here wanted to work on ideas, >> etc. >> >> This is a very liberal request -- I don't want to put any restrictions >> on your ideas or designs. > > It may be naive from my part to put such a question when I already > anticipate the answer, but how about the tshirt colors? > Sure, the answer is: preferably the designs would work on a large > variety of backgrounds, may it be white, black, dark blue, right blue, > red, pink or whatever. > But from a design point of view it may be useful to know your target and > use lighter colors for a dark background and darker colors for a light > background (and avoid the same shade of blue for the graphic and the > background). > One solution can be alternative designs, light and dark. > > And another questions for the people on the list, as I personally don't > have experience with printing tshirts in a professional manner: I > understand we have to keep the colors count to a minimum due t price > concerns, what is the maximum allowed number of colors, 3 or 4? ^^ If I read this, ... ... Nico you raised up a wonderful idea in my brain. Let?s try to abstract and tell you (I imagine, it's easy to realize) ... have you ever seen the Ambassador Polos of Europe (there are existing approx. 50 pcs. global)? If not please have a look at https://kermit.homelinux.net/gallery2/main.php?g2_itemId=9986&g2_imageViewsIndex=2 (shows max wearing one of these ... If we now do the following for example: We create a design in general; maybe "Logo on front" and a "artwork on the back" and then we go ahead and define that we have two color-layouts or color-sheme, a layout/scheme for "inside" fedora (maybe the dark blue one) and we have a "community layout (maybe with the light blue, or as a negative of the other one) ... This could maybe bring the community/visitors of fairs closer to us and we have a seperation of "what is shown" and who is part of what ... just an idea, do you like it???' regards gerold From mspevack at redhat.com Wed Jan 30 13:28:12 2008 From: mspevack at redhat.com (Max Spevack) Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2008 08:28:12 -0500 (EST) Subject: new tshirts In-Reply-To: <47A02F5B.5000408@nicubunu.ro> References: <47A02F5B.5000408@nicubunu.ro> Message-ID: On Wed, 30 Jan 2008, Nicu Buculei wrote: > But from a design point of view it may be useful to know your target > and use lighter colors for a dark background and darker colors for a > light background (and avoid the same shade of blue for the graphic and > the background). One solution can be alternative designs, light and > dark. I suppose if I had to pick, I'd say to target a white tshirt, since it's likely that a lot of colors in the "Fedora Blue" range might be used.... But it doesn't really matter to me. :) > And another questions for the people on the list, as I personally > don't have experience with printing tshirts in a professional manner: > I understand we have to keep the colors count to a minimum due t price > concerns, what is the maximum allowed number of colors, 3 or 4? I don't actually know. Our current Fedora shirts are only 2 colors... but the FUDCon tshirts we did last year definitely had more than that. I think we could handle either 3 colors or 4... the price difference probably won't matter that much. --Max From tatadbb at gmail.com Wed Jan 30 14:01:29 2008 From: tatadbb at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Mar=EDa_Leandro?=) Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2008 09:31:29 +1930 Subject: new tshirts In-Reply-To: References: <47A02F5B.5000408@nicubunu.ro> Message-ID: <27a6293b0801300601y4e74395fj1e9d538763992cd8@mail.gmail.com> we made one last year http://tatica.org/galeria/Flisol07/00021.html http://wiki.fedora-ve.org/Fotos/Iseit2007?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=00014.jpg 2008/1/31, Max Spevack : > > On Wed, 30 Jan 2008, Nicu Buculei wrote: > > > But from a design point of view it may be useful to know your target > > and use lighter colors for a dark background and darker colors for a > > light background (and avoid the same shade of blue for the graphic and > > the background). One solution can be alternative designs, light and > > dark. > > I suppose if I had to pick, I'd say to target a white tshirt, since it's > likely that a lot of colors in the "Fedora Blue" range might be used.... > > But it doesn't really matter to me. :) > > > And another questions for the people on the list, as I personally > > don't have experience with printing tshirts in a professional manner: > > I understand we have to keep the colors count to a minimum due t price > > concerns, what is the maximum allowed number of colors, 3 or 4? > > I don't actually know. Our current Fedora shirts are only 2 colors... > but the FUDCon tshirts we did last year definitely had more than that. > > I think we could handle either 3 colors or 4... the price difference > probably won't matter that much. > > --Max > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list > -- tatica Maria Gracia Leandro http://www.tatica.org http://www.iseit.net http://www.latinux.org http://www.fedora-ve.org http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/MariaLeandro LinuxUser= 440285 GPG Public Key: E1CDCC56 "Be yourself... Don't be anyone else" -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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JJM 2008/1/30, Mar?a Leandro : > > we made one last year > > http://tatica.org/galeria/Flisol07/00021.html > > http://wiki.fedora-ve.org/Fotos/Iseit2007?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=00014.jpg > > > 2008/1/31, Max Spevack : > > > > On Wed, 30 Jan 2008, Nicu Buculei wrote: > > > > > But from a design point of view it may be useful to know your target > > > and use lighter colors for a dark background and darker colors for a > > > light background (and avoid the same shade of blue for the graphic and > > > the background). One solution can be alternative designs, light and > > > dark. > > > > I suppose if I had to pick, I'd say to target a white tshirt, since it's > > likely that a lot of colors in the "Fedora Blue" range might be used.... > > > > But it doesn't really matter to me. :) > > > > > And another questions for the people on the list, as I personally > > > don't have experience with printing tshirts in a professional manner: > > > I understand we have to keep the colors count to a minimum due t price > > > concerns, what is the maximum allowed number of colors, 3 or 4? > > > > I don't actually know. Our current Fedora shirts are only 2 colors... > > but the FUDCon tshirts we did last year definitely had more than that. > > > > I think we could handle either 3 colors or 4... the price difference > > probably won't matter that much. > > > > --Max > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Fedora-art-list mailing list > > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list > > > > > > -- > tatica > Maria Gracia Leandro > http://www.tatica.org > http://www.iseit.net > http://www.latinux.org > http://www.fedora-ve.org > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/MariaLeandro > LinuxUser= 440285 > GPG Public Key: E1CDCC56 > "Be yourself... Don't be anyone else" > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list > > -- I'm still learning English... Ji?? 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It depends on technology used to > decorate t-shirt. So, what technology will be used? I imagine the intention is to produce quality stuff, so no inkjet printing. I believe the factory was not identified yet, so the details are not know, but probably a kind on screen printing (serigraphy) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Screen-printing We have to keep the color count as low as possible, 1-2, but we may try an 3-4 color extravaganza. -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From gerold at lugd.org Wed Jan 30 14:50:15 2008 From: gerold at lugd.org (Gerold) Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2008 15:50:15 +0100 (CET) Subject: new tshirts In-Reply-To: <47A08CCA.1040901@nicubunu.ro> References: <47A02F5B.5000408@nicubunu.ro> <27a6293b0801300601y4e74395fj1e9d538763992cd8@mail.gmail.com> <47A08CCA.1040901@nicubunu.ro> Message-ID: <2002.217.162.12.42.1201704615.squirrel@www.gbc.net> > Jiri Jakub Masek wrote: >> Hi people, how many colors in design? It depends on technology used to >> decorate t-shirt. So, what technology will be used? > > I imagine the intention is to produce quality stuff, so no inkjet > printing. I believe the factory was not identified yet, so the details > are not know, but probably a kind on screen printing (serigraphy) > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Screen-printing > > We have to keep the color count as low as possible, 1-2, but we may try > an 3-4 color extravaganza. ^^ what you're raising up is totally correct and may be a problem. If you "design" a color like "we want to have the color XY" every producer tell you: Oh we're sure we get it similar to that color but 100 pcs. with 100% the same color is not guarenteed. We try to look using our dark and lighter blue as well as "neutral" colors and defined applications on it (like stitching or artwork) ... gerold From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Wed Jan 30 14:53:27 2008 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2008 16:53:27 +0200 Subject: new tshirts In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <47A08F67.4050304@nicubunu.ro> Max Spevack wrote: > We would like to make tshirts for a variety of Fedora needs. I thought > I would email this list to see if folks here wanted to work on ideas, etc. I created a wiki page where anyone can upload his ideas, for now it is a skeleton, awaiting your graphics: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/T-Shirt We can put there as many designs as we want, even if they will not be selected as "official" is good to have them available for those who want to download and print themselves. -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From mspevack at redhat.com Wed Jan 30 15:25:28 2008 From: mspevack at redhat.com (Max Spevack) Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2008 10:25:28 -0500 (EST) Subject: new tshirts In-Reply-To: <47A08CCA.1040901@nicubunu.ro> References: <47A02F5B.5000408@nicubunu.ro> <27a6293b0801300601y4e74395fj1e9d538763992cd8@mail.gmail.com> <47A08CCA.1040901@nicubunu.ro> Message-ID: On Wed, 30 Jan 2008, Nicu Buculei wrote: > We have to keep the color count as low as possible, 1-2, but we may > try an 3-4 color extravaganza. Yes, good quality is our top priority. --Max From jjmasek at gmail.com Wed Jan 30 17:33:24 2008 From: jjmasek at gmail.com (Jiri Jakub Masek) Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2008 18:33:24 +0100 Subject: new tshirts In-Reply-To: <47A08CCA.1040901@nicubunu.ro> References: <47A02F5B.5000408@nicubunu.ro> <27a6293b0801300601y4e74395fj1e9d538763992cd8@mail.gmail.com> <47A08CCA.1040901@nicubunu.ro> Message-ID: Hi, and what about the size of design? 10x10 inches, or? JJM 2008/1/30, Nicu Buculei : > > Jiri Jakub Masek wrote: > > Hi people, how many colors in design? It depends on technology used to > > decorate t-shirt. So, what technology will be used? > > I imagine the intention is to produce quality stuff, so no inkjet > printing. I believe the factory was not identified yet, so the details > are not know, but probably a kind on screen printing (serigraphy) > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Screen-printing > > We have to keep the color count as low as possible, 1-2, but we may try > an 3-4 color extravaganza. > > -- > nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com > Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ > Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org > my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list > -- I'm still learning English... Ji?? Jakub Ma?ek - Mr Jiri Jakub Masek Moravia, Czech Republic, European Union -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mspevack at redhat.com Wed Jan 30 17:46:54 2008 From: mspevack at redhat.com (Max Spevack) Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2008 12:46:54 -0500 (EST) Subject: new tshirts In-Reply-To: References: <47A02F5B.5000408@nicubunu.ro> <27a6293b0801300601y4e74395fj1e9d538763992cd8@mail.gmail.com> <47A08CCA.1040901@nicubunu.ro> Message-ID: On Wed, 30 Jan 2008, Jiri Jakub Masek wrote: > Hi, and what about the size of design? 10x10 inches, or? Whatever you want.... once there are some cool designs that we like, we'll figure out to work them into the the final products. I purposefully didn't want to start putting restrictions on the designs, shapes, colors, etc. I want people to be free to be artistic, and then we'll figure out the best way to produce shirts with the final result. But 10x10 is a lot of space, so that's probably a fair guideline. --Max From jspaleta at gmail.com Wed Jan 30 18:32:41 2008 From: jspaleta at gmail.com (Jeff Spaleta) Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2008 09:32:41 -0900 Subject: new tshirts In-Reply-To: <479FA006.9040000@redhat.com> References: <479FA006.9040000@redhat.com> Message-ID: <604aa7910801301032t20d5e6f9i9aab16276c305904@mail.gmail.com> On Jan 29, 2008 12:52 PM, M?ir?n Duffy wrote: > Could there be a women's sized version of this as well as a men's sized? +1 ... and a baby onesy, that says "Future Fedora Contributor" -jef"If I had budget powers here is what I would do about t-shirts...make a set of special Fedora Curling League shirts, talk to someone at the Triangle Curling Club in NC and find out how much it would cost to sponsor a small tournament...have all the competitors wear the t-shirts..and send Colby in to make a video of the event. This is why I don't have budget powers"spaleta From mspevack at redhat.com Wed Jan 30 18:52:52 2008 From: mspevack at redhat.com (Max Spevack) Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2008 13:52:52 -0500 (EST) Subject: new tshirts In-Reply-To: <604aa7910801301032t20d5e6f9i9aab16276c305904@mail.gmail.com> References: <479FA006.9040000@redhat.com> <604aa7910801301032t20d5e6f9i9aab16276c305904@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 30 Jan 2008, Jeff Spaleta wrote: > -jef"If I had budget powers here is what I would do about > t-shirts...make a set of special Fedora Curling League shirts, talk to > someone at the Triangle Curling Club in NC and find out how much it > would cost to sponsor a small tournament...have all the competitors > wear the t-shirts..and send Colby in to make a video of the event. > This is why I don't have budget powers"spaleta DENIED -- lack of budget :P --Max "I do have budget powers" Spevack From kranuja at gmail.com Thu Jan 31 05:09:04 2008 From: kranuja at gmail.com (Anuja KR) Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2008 10:39:04 +0530 Subject: wall papers In-Reply-To: <479F78F2.5080405@redhat.com> References: <98b358090801290645y3c5377c4uf3131eac41b9b153@mail.gmail.com> <479F4797.8000007@redhat.com> <479F78F2.5080405@redhat.com> Message-ID: <98b358090801302109vc91bdeev9e6b6f92bb72b671@mail.gmail.com> thank you. if you can let me know your requirements- like dpi, other dimensions and colors, etc., I would be able to workout. anuja 2008/1/30 M?ir?n Duffy : > M?ir?n Duffy wrote: > > Also do you have any sources available for this work, or any > > instructions on how maybe some of it or something similar could be > > reproduced using the gimp fractal tool? We need to create artwork to > > correspond to the wallpaper for our Round 2 (see > > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/F9Themes#head-28aff5b1a5772386d9c579fb76fe154aea7f34f7 > ) > > and this is easier if we can manipulate the original artwork easily. Do > > you have higher resolution versions available? > > So I poked around and I think figured out how to reproduce something > close to > > http://s244.photobucket.com/albums/gg33/anuja-k/?action=view¤t=wave.png > : > > 1) Open Gimp (F8 Gimp is what I am using) and create a new document (as > high res as you want, pick a portrait resolution to match the original > image) > > 2) Go to Filters > Render > Fractal Explorer. Click over to the > "Fractals" tab, choose "Flower", and hit apply. > > 3) In the "Colors" tab, click "Apply active gradient to final image" and > select the "Blue Green" gradient. > > 4) In the "Parameters" tab, set the iterations value to around 100 or > so, then hit okay and close the fractal explorer dialog > > 5) Rotate the image, image > transform > rotate 90 degrees > > I think with a blue=>white gradient it would look more like it. I'm > attaching the gimp fractal data file I made using these steps. > > ~m > > Fractal Explorer Plug-In Version 2 - (c) 1997 > #********************************************************************** > # This is a data file for the Fractal Explorer plug-in for GIMP * > #********************************************************************** > fractaltype: 4 > xmin: -0.125281319022179 > xmax: -0.116631627082825 > ymin: 0.375891804695129 > ymax: 0.384632647037506 > iter: 108.035714285714278 > cx: 0.405000001192093 > cy: -0.200000002980232 > redstretch: 124.000000000000000 > greenstretch: 112.000000000000000 > bluestretch: 60.000000000000000 > redmode: 0 > greenmode: 0 > bluemode: 0 > redinvert: 0 > greeninvert: 0 > blueinvert: 0 > colormode: 1 > #********************************************************************** > > #********************************************************************** > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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This will be our "main" swag item for, > say, the next year. > > * a tshirt for FUDCon at the Red Hat Summit in Boston, June 2008, for > everyone who shows up. > > * a tshirt for Fedora @ LinuxTag (biggest linux show in europe) in > Berlin, May 2008, for the people in the booth and also as a giveaway. > > * now that we have a codename for Fedora 9, maybe some sort of tshirt > that is derived from the Fedora 9 theme/artwork. > > Just thought I'd see what kind of discussion this generates, and try to > start the discussion with a lot of lead time. > > thanks! As always, you guys are awesome. > > --Max > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Other graphic pieces part of the desktop theme are explained here: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/ThemingOverview -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Thu Jan 31 06:56:17 2008 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2008 08:56:17 +0200 Subject: new tshirts In-Reply-To: References: <47A02F5B.5000408@nicubunu.ro> <27a6293b0801300601y4e74395fj1e9d538763992cd8@mail.gmail.com> <47A08CCA.1040901@nicubunu.ro> Message-ID: <47A17111.6000500@nicubunu.ro> Jiri Jakub Masek wrote: > Hi, and what about the size of design? 10x10 inches, or? I guess the best option is to make them as vector images (this is recommended for print anyway), so we can resize them, make variation for front/back/pocket or men/women/babies. -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Thu Jan 31 06:58:34 2008 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2008 08:58:34 +0200 Subject: new tshirts In-Reply-To: <98b358090801302119h193fa378pe009b7e6105a457b@mail.gmail.com> References: <98b358090801302119h193fa378pe009b7e6105a457b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <47A1719A.5020903@nicubunu.ro> Anuja KR wrote: > is it possible to upload the previous tshirt designs(fedora). 'cause I > joined recently and have no idea about these tshirts. The previous designs were handled on a local (closed) basis, this is the first time we try do design a tshirt in this community. -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From duffy at redhat.com Thu Jan 31 07:07:46 2008 From: duffy at redhat.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?M=E1ir=EDn_Duffy?=) Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2008 02:07:46 -0500 Subject: f9 round 2: waves Message-ID: <47A173C2.9040400@redhat.com> Hi, Anuja's wallpapers got me playing around with the gimp fractal explorer. Here's another idea for the waves proposal: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/F9Themes/Waves#head-343e10b415c33000f906c3f0426d92496c0b792d ~m From duffy at redhat.com Thu Jan 31 07:09:55 2008 From: duffy at redhat.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?M=E1ir=EDn_Duffy?=) Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2008 02:09:55 -0500 Subject: wall papers In-Reply-To: <98b358090801302109vc91bdeev9e6b6f92bb72b671@mail.gmail.com> References: <98b358090801290645y3c5377c4uf3131eac41b9b153@mail.gmail.com> <479F4797.8000007@redhat.com> <479F78F2.5080405@redhat.com> <98b358090801302109vc91bdeev9e6b6f92bb72b671@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <47A17443.1050708@redhat.com> Hi Anuja, Anuja KR wrote: > thank you. if you can let me know your requirements- like dpi, other > dimensions and colors, etc., I would be able to workout. > anuja How did you produce this one? http://s244.photobucket.com/albums/gg33/anuja-k/?action=view¤t=redgradient.png I haven't been able to figure it out. ~m From jjmasek at gmail.com Thu Jan 31 07:34:06 2008 From: jjmasek at gmail.com (Jiri Jakub Masek) Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2008 08:34:06 +0100 Subject: new tshirts In-Reply-To: <47A1719A.5020903@nicubunu.ro> References: <98b358090801302119h193fa378pe009b7e6105a457b@mail.gmail.com> <47A1719A.5020903@nicubunu.ro> Message-ID: Hi people, this is old,old,old tale, but have you seen what is on this link? http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/ExperimentalDesigns/FedoraTangramT-shirts Yes, I know it's unuseable as is, but it can inspirate, or not? JJM 2008/1/31, Nicu Buculei : > > Anuja KR wrote: > > is it possible to upload the previous tshirt designs(fedora). 'cause I > > joined recently and have no idea about these tshirts. > > The previous designs were handled on a local (closed) basis, this is the > first time we try do design a tshirt in this community. > > -- > nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com > Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ > Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org > my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list > -- I'm still learning English... Ji?? Jakub Ma?ek - Mr Jiri Jakub Masek Moravia, Czech Republic, European Union -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jjmasek at gmail.com Thu Jan 31 07:45:07 2008 From: jjmasek at gmail.com (Jiri Jakub Masek) Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2008 08:45:07 +0100 Subject: Project Mascot Message-ID: Hi people what is with a *Mascot project*? Is it closed without results (resume)? http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/Mascot JJM -- I'm still learning English... Ji?? Jakub Ma?ek - Mr Jiri Jakub Masek Moravia, Czech Republic, European Union -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Thu Jan 31 08:01:06 2008 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2008 10:01:06 +0200 Subject: Project Mascot In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <47A18042.6090003@nicubunu.ro> Jiri Jakub Masek wrote: > Hi people what is with a *Mascot project*? Is it closed without results > (resume)? It seems like it quietly died due to lack of interest, both from the contributors and the general public. But it is not really dead, is like Sleeping Beauty, in a dormant state, it may get back to life someday if we get to the conclusion that we need or want a mascot (or have something so good looking that we can't stop using it). But, you know, Sleeping Beauty is a fairy tale... > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/Mascot -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From martin.sourada at gmail.com Thu Jan 31 08:52:02 2008 From: martin.sourada at gmail.com (Martin Sourada) Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2008 09:52:02 +0100 Subject: f9 round 2: waves In-Reply-To: <47A173C2.9040400@redhat.com> References: <47A173C2.9040400@redhat.com> Message-ID: <1201769522.12256.8.camel@pc-notebook> On Thu, 2008-01-31 at 02:07 -0500, M?ir?n Duffy wrote: > Hi, > > Anuja's wallpapers got me playing around with the gimp fractal explorer. > Here's another idea for the waves proposal: > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/F9Themes/Waves#head-343e10b415c33000f906c3f0426d92496c0b792d > > ~m > Hi, that's great! I'd use darker colours and maybe tweak the settings a little more, to have it smoother, but this is quite good for Round 2. What's the gimp script for this one? Btw. I had some idea for the connection of the Waves proposal with the F9 codename (sulphur). I think it could work especially for the horizontal/vertical parts of the artwork. Having a sulphur stone dropped to water which creates the actual wave and we would still seen it sinking as the wallpaper changes (that would be probably done in inkscape and then joined with the rest in gimp). OR having a handful of sulphur lying in e.g. one in one of the corners/sides of the banners which creates small waves around (similar to waves that creates around a barrier). From colour perspective it would IMHO work great, as yellow and blue (though rather darker tones of blue) work quite nice together. Martin -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Thu Jan 31 09:13:39 2008 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2008 11:13:39 +0200 Subject: f9 round 2: waves In-Reply-To: <1201769522.12256.8.camel@pc-notebook> References: <47A173C2.9040400@redhat.com> <1201769522.12256.8.camel@pc-notebook> Message-ID: <47A19143.5070601@nicubunu.ro> Martin Sourada wrote: > Btw. I had some idea for the connection of the Waves proposal with the > F9 codename (sulphur). I think it could work especially for the > horizontal/vertical parts of the artwork. Having a sulphur stone dropped > to water which creates the actual wave and we would still seen it > sinking as the wallpaper changes (that would be probably done in > inkscape and then joined with the rest in gimp). OR having a handful of > sulphur lying in e.g. one in one of the corners/sides of the banners > which creates small waves around (similar to waves that creates around a > barrier). Indeed, I think is worth trying. I like very much a concept like this: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:Sulfur.jpg but I'm not sure if/how it can be integrated with the designs from Round 1. But yeah, maybe a sulfur stone in the water and waves around it... > From colour perspective it would IMHO work great, as yellow and blue > (though rather darker tones of blue) work quite nice together. AS colors, there is something crazy which is harder to draw and will not with with anything: yellow sulfur (brimstone) burning with a blue flame (sulfur burn with a blue flame) and flowing red molten sulfur. -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From mola.mp at gmail.com Thu Jan 31 13:48:29 2008 From: mola.mp at gmail.com (Mola Pahnadayan) Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2008 17:18:29 +0330 Subject: Fedora electric theme Message-ID: <47A1D1AD.9070501@gmail.com> Hi all I change fedora electric theme to fedora pokemon-sphere :D http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/F9Themes/electric-sphere Mola From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Thu Jan 31 14:20:55 2008 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2008 16:20:55 +0200 Subject: Fedora electric theme In-Reply-To: <47A1D1AD.9070501@gmail.com> References: <47A1D1AD.9070501@gmail.com> Message-ID: <47A1D947.3030501@nicubunu.ro> Mola Pahnadayan wrote: > Hi all > I change fedora electric theme to fedora pokemon-sphere :D > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/F9Themes/electric-sphere As always, you are our Blender guru Mola! But as we said over and over, please do not use the word "fedora" in the wallpaper graphic, we struggled to ease the branding in F8, I don't think we will revert it. -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From valent.turkovic at gmail.com Thu Jan 31 15:10:17 2008 From: valent.turkovic at gmail.com (Valent Turkovic) Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2008 16:10:17 +0100 Subject: Really cool promo flyers Message-ID: <64b14b300801310710o300e706m27c03b3e1e04de0f@mail.gmail.com> I found some really cool promo flayers online and would like to share them with you; http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m286/LegoAddict/Freedomofchoice.jpg http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m286/LegoAddict/Linuxgivesyouthehouse.jpg http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m286/LegoAddict/Computewithnature.jpg Does fedora have something similar ? Valent. -- http://kernelreloaded.blog385.com/ linux, blog, anime, spirituality, windsurf, wireless registered as user #367004 with the Linux Counter, http://counter.li.org. ICQ: 2125241, Skype: valent.turkovic From jspaleta at gmail.com Thu Jan 31 19:28:59 2008 From: jspaleta at gmail.com (Jeff Spaleta) Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2008 10:28:59 -0900 Subject: Transparency :) In-Reply-To: <479E487E.1060707@gmail.com> References: <479C9B02.8090700@gmail.com> <1201459710.2258.4.camel@geeko> <64b14b300801271258j39de894cw12b1ed181b17a677@mail.gmail.com> <1201468039.2531.0.camel@geeko> <64b14b300801271532te7b68d5t71bac5f90b392d95@mail.gmail.com> <1201499306.2849.2.camel@geeko> <479DE5F9.50305@redhat.com> <479E487E.1060707@gmail.com> Message-ID: <604aa7910801311128q1e2faf8cxfa3ccbb9dff6d0b9@mail.gmail.com> On Jan 28, 2008 12:26 PM, Valent Turkovic wrote: > I wasn't trying to be rude or disrespectfully to gnome or gnome > developers. I was just wondering about gnome. Here's the problem with wondering aloud about gnome development on a list this is not about gnome development. You only encourage the wrong sort of answers... uninformed answers. You need to take responsibility for the questions you ask and where you ask them. In the future, questions regarding suitability of patches need to be asked in the context of the upstream project. Not in a mailing list for artists. And please refrain from feeding the trolls. It's very easy to get stuck in a conversation with someone who has no real constructive information which aids your purpose, if you are talking about something in the wrong list. Its one thing to point something out because it looks cool and you want other people to know about. Its quite another to have a back and forth discussion about technical suitability that are out of scope. Any information obtained in such a draw out discussion is suspect, wasting your time and enthusiasm. -jef