From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Tue Jul 1 06:03:40 2008 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Tue, 01 Jul 2008 09:03:40 +0300 Subject: R: Re: Name status In-Reply-To: <618839181.31214839357118.JavaMail.root@mail.byte-code.com> References: <618839181.31214839357118.JavaMail.root@mail.byte-code.com> Message-ID: <4869C8BC.1060900@nicubunu.ro> Samuele Storari wrote: > Ok, I think the bottom line is the Art Group would create something new with the new name, or I'm Wrong? Not quite... the link between name and graphics is optional. If we create some cool graphics related to the release name that is good. But if what we come is cool graphics not related to the release name, that is good too (so far we tried a strong link only for F9 with the sulphur crystals and that graphic was backed down at the last moment). > So if I'm right, what's the Ultimate name for F10? The final name will be settled by a public vote in the general Fedora community, Paul informed us about a set of candidates which may get to this voting process. > I don't want to waste time, it would be better if we start togheter workin on the new Concept ASAP. In theory we are still in Round 1 and I think there are some ways we an link some of the existing proposals to fit some of the proposed names. > Don't you? -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From martin.sourada at gmail.com Tue Jul 1 16:22:50 2008 From: martin.sourada at gmail.com (Martin Sourada) Date: Tue, 01 Jul 2008 18:22:50 +0200 Subject: [echo] system-software-installer draft Message-ID: <1214929370.2844.2.camel@pc-notebook> New draft of system-software-installer icon. Comments welcome. 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My point behind the decision for start-here was because the icon I used is main part of the new echo-icon-theme logo and start-here is IMHO a good place to show the logo (and it will most likely be replaced by fedora logo when echo is made default fedora theme). BTW, I myself wondered how it would look like in such place, but when I put it there, it didn't look that bad. It's a matter of time before you get used to it, like to fedora logo, opensuse chameleon (or what animal is that), ubuntu logo, gnome foot, oxygen "o" (which looks to me more like a logo for some music software), ... Do you have any better suggestions for start-here icon? Perhaps some stylised letter "e" (which has a drawback of being similar to MSIE logo)? Thanks, Martin -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Any comments? > > > > Luya > > > > Reference: > > ---------------- > > http://luya.fedorapeople.org/echo/applications > > WOW looks nice! > > Making it grown maket it more ugly.. > Those file cabinets like this are mostly silver or white or a > combination of it. try to play with those colors. > I don't like the silver/white cabinets. IMHO the tango version (light brown) is better than the gnome version (silver). Wood is wood, after all ;-) It can be brighter (and it will most likely be brightened in some of the next releases of echo), but I'd strongly argue against using silver or white colour as base colour for it. Martin -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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They are quick sketches only to preview which might > be better and to gather some feedback/suggestions. > > What do you think? Which one to go with? Or do you have some other tips? > > Thanks, > Martin > > PS: the "quick sketches" part are the arrows. I've quickly put some > points together creating approximately an arrow shape and make it look > echoey the fastest way I could, so there is a lot room for improvement > there. I'll remake them properly, if needed, once a final consensus is > reached. > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list > > > -- http://scwlab.com From martin.sourada at gmail.com Tue Jul 1 21:30:32 2008 From: martin.sourada at gmail.com (Martin Sourada) Date: Tue, 01 Jul 2008 23:30:32 +0200 Subject: [echo] preferences-system-update sketches In-Reply-To: References: <1214936939.2844.30.camel@pc-notebook> Message-ID: <1214947832.2844.32.camel@pc-notebook> On Wed, 2008-07-02 at 00:05 +0300, Pavel Shevchuk wrote: > Just an idea - how about package with medical patch on it? =)) > Hm, to me this metaphor would mean patching bugs, but there are also a lot of enhancement updates, new releases, ... But indeed an interesting one, perhaps I'll sketch one tomorrow :) Thanks for the idea :) Martin -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 197 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From luya_tfz at thefinalzone.com Tue Jul 1 22:20:11 2008 From: luya_tfz at thefinalzone.com (Luya Tshimbalanga) Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2008 18:20:11 -0400 Subject: [echo] system-software-installer draft In-Reply-To: <1214929370.2844.2.camel@pc-notebook> References: <1214929370.2844.2.camel@pc-notebook> Message-ID: <1214950811.486aad9b17596@ssl.mecca.ca> Quoting Martin Sourada : > New draft of system-software-installer icon. Comments welcome. Not bad. I think we should go beyond optical media because there are other medias like usb, SD card that can used for installation. Using metaphor like arrow would be appropriate. -- Luya Tshimbalanga Fedora Project contributor http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/LuyaTshimbalanga From luya_tfz at thefinalzone.com Tue Jul 1 22:21:57 2008 From: luya_tfz at thefinalzone.com (Luya Tshimbalanga) Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2008 18:21:57 -0400 Subject: [Echo] start-here icon DRAFT In-Reply-To: <1214930066.2844.14.camel@pc-notebook> References: <1214731995.20278.14.camel@pc-notebook> <6e24a8e80806291034h1594ca7dnc693e7421ec1b6a1@mail.gmail.com> <1214930066.2844.14.camel@pc-notebook> Message-ID: <1214950917.486aae05b60bb@ssl.mecca.ca> Quoting Martin Sourada : > On Sun, 2008-06-29 at 19:34 +0200, Mark wrote: > > 2008/6/29 Martin Sourada : > > I like the icon! but not for the place you made it.. i would never > > want to see that icon as my start icon.. > > So it's good but try to find another purpose for it. Something with > > sound would work well i think. > > > You have a point there, I can imagine it being used for IM applications > like empathy, gajim or pidgin, now that you mention it... My point > behind the decision for start-here was because the icon I used is main > part of the new echo-icon-theme logo and start-here is IMHO a good place > to show the logo (and it will most likely be replaced by fedora logo > when echo is made default fedora theme). > Maybe remove one wave will work. -- Luya Tshimbalanga Fedora Project contributor http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/LuyaTshimbalanga From luya_tfz at thefinalzone.com Tue Jul 1 22:27:53 2008 From: luya_tfz at thefinalzone.com (Luya Tshimbalanga) Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2008 18:27:53 -0400 Subject: [echo] preferences-system-update sketches In-Reply-To: <1214936939.2844.30.camel@pc-notebook> References: <1214936939.2844.30.camel@pc-notebook> Message-ID: <1214951273.486aaf69d83db@ssl.mecca.ca> Quoting Martin Sourada : > PS: the "quick sketches" part are the arrows. I've quickly put some > points together creating approximately an arrow shape and make it look > echoey the fastest way I could, so there is a lot room for improvement > there. I'll remake them properly, if needed, once a final consensus is > reached. Arrows appears to be a better approach. go-down arrow used for installation should be green while go-up arrow is for removal thus in red. That sketch eliminatse the needs to add other icons like package. -- Luya Tshimbalanga Fedora Project contributor http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/LuyaTshimbalanga From martin.sourada at gmail.com Tue Jul 1 23:09:17 2008 From: martin.sourada at gmail.com (Martin Sourada) Date: Wed, 02 Jul 2008 01:09:17 +0200 Subject: [echo] system-software-installer draft In-Reply-To: <1214950811.486aad9b17596@ssl.mecca.ca> References: <1214929370.2844.2.camel@pc-notebook> <1214950811.486aad9b17596@ssl.mecca.ca> Message-ID: <1214953757.2844.39.camel@pc-notebook> On Tue, 2008-07-01 at 18:20 -0400, Luya Tshimbalanga wrote: > Quoting Martin Sourada : > > > New draft of system-software-installer icon. Comments welcome. > > Not bad. I think we should go beyond optical media because there are other > medias like usb, SD card that can used for installation. Using metaphor like > arrow would be appropriate. > Do you mean some simple arrow, like I used in the system-software-update48a.png [1] (btw. I mistakenly named the icon in thread subject as preferences-system-update), or do you have in mind something more complex? As for the package+CD/DVD metaphor - I think it's so widely used that it wouldn't hurt to use it in Echo as well ;-) References: [1] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-art-list/2008-July/pngXEc42IWRcy.png -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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IMHO the tango version (light > brown) is better than the gnome version (silver). Wood is wood, after > all ;-) At my workplace those cabinets are made from metal and they are painted in beige. Around here wood is used rarely in modern office furniture. > It can be brighter (and it will most likely be brightened in some of the > next releases of echo), but I'd strongly argue against using silver or > white colour as base colour for it. -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From markg85 at gmail.com Wed Jul 2 16:12:55 2008 From: markg85 at gmail.com (Mark) Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2008 18:12:55 +0200 Subject: [Echo] system-file-manager icons draft In-Reply-To: <1214930439.2844.19.camel@pc-notebook> References: <485C3320.3090904@fedoraproject.org> <6e24a8e80806291109t1d4d93des7898196e96208ea6@mail.gmail.com> <1214930439.2844.19.camel@pc-notebook> Message-ID: <6e24a8e80807020912n2354d564h23d8a1fbe3588d42@mail.gmail.com> 2008/7/1 Martin Sourada : > On Sun, 2008-06-29 at 20:09 +0200, Mark wrote: >> 2008/6/21 Luya Tshimbalanga : >> > A quick trace of system-file-manager icons (16x16 and 48x48) using >> > metallic colours. They might need some fix on outlines. Any comments? >> > Those things are rarely made from wood so the colors like they are now are wrong. It needs to be in: - white - beige - black - silver or a combination of that. From markg85 at gmail.com Wed Jul 2 16:21:19 2008 From: markg85 at gmail.com (Mark) Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2008 18:21:19 +0200 Subject: [echo] system-software-installer draft In-Reply-To: <1214953757.2844.39.camel@pc-notebook> References: <1214929370.2844.2.camel@pc-notebook> <1214950811.486aad9b17596@ssl.mecca.ca> <1214953757.2844.39.camel@pc-notebook> Message-ID: <6e24a8e80807020921s449e912fuc033a06e66a9a87a@mail.gmail.com> 2008/7/2 Martin Sourada : > On Tue, 2008-07-01 at 18:20 -0400, Luya Tshimbalanga wrote: >> Quoting Martin Sourada : >> >> > New draft of system-software-installer icon. Comments welcome. >> >> Not bad. I think we should go beyond optical media because there are other >> medias like usb, SD card that can used for installation. Using metaphor like >> arrow would be appropriate. >> > Do you mean some simple arrow, like I used in the system-software-update48a.png > [1] (btw. I mistakenly named the icon in thread subject as > preferences-system-update), or do you have in mind something more complex? > > As for the package+CD/DVD metaphor - I think it's so widely used that it > wouldn't hurt to use it in Echo as well ;-) You or martin really need to explain why that shit color keeps being used with software boxes... take a look here: http://images.google.nl/images?ndsp=18&um=1&hl=nl&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla:nl:official&q=software+box&start=0&sa=N NONE have that shit color. And to be somewhat more modern i would go for a shape like this one: http://www.di-o-matic.com/press/Library/fswin/fswin-box.jpg And if you then still decide to use that shit color then use the real cardboard one and not that over darkened one: http://www.climatechangecorp.com/resources/images/content/large/20073147294_cardboard.jpg And besides that all the box is the deep. cut of 1/3 of it From markg85 at gmail.com Wed Jul 2 16:29:19 2008 From: markg85 at gmail.com (Mark) Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2008 18:29:19 +0200 Subject: [Echo] start-here icon DRAFT In-Reply-To: <1214930066.2844.14.camel@pc-notebook> References: <1214731995.20278.14.camel@pc-notebook> <6e24a8e80806291034h1594ca7dnc693e7421ec1b6a1@mail.gmail.com> <1214930066.2844.14.camel@pc-notebook> Message-ID: <6e24a8e80807020929h69a72fc0o3208a070443d2ada@mail.gmail.com> 2008/7/1 Martin Sourada : > On Sun, 2008-06-29 at 19:34 +0200, Mark wrote: >> 2008/6/29 Martin Sourada : >> I like the icon! but not for the place you made it.. i would never >> want to see that icon as my start icon.. >> So it's good but try to find another purpose for it. Something with >> sound would work well i think. >> > You have a point there, I can imagine it being used for IM applications > like empathy, gajim or pidgin, now that you mention it... My point > behind the decision for start-here was because the icon I used is main > part of the new echo-icon-theme logo and start-here is IMHO a good place > to show the logo (and it will most likely be replaced by fedora logo > when echo is made default fedora theme). > > BTW, I myself wondered how it would look like in such place, but when I > put it there, it didn't look that bad. It's a matter of time before you > get used to it, like to fedora logo, opensuse chameleon (or what animal > is that), ubuntu logo, gnome foot, oxygen "o" (which looks to me more > like a logo for some music software), ... > > Do you have any better suggestions for start-here icon? Perhaps some > stylised letter "e" (which has a drawback of being similar to MSIE > logo)? > > Thanks, > Martin Not everything is a mather of "getting used to it" if it's the logo of a distribution it's different. This icon is just an icon not a logo or something and besides that it takes up about double the space of a logo because you need a bigger icon as start-here to still be readable. This good icon just doesn't need to be on the start-here location. From luya at fedoraproject.org Wed Jul 2 18:40:35 2008 From: luya at fedoraproject.org (Luya Tshimbalanga) Date: Wed, 02 Jul 2008 11:40:35 -0700 Subject: [echo] system-software-installer draft In-Reply-To: <6e24a8e80807020921s449e912fuc033a06e66a9a87a@mail.gmail.com> References: <1214929370.2844.2.camel@pc-notebook> <1214950811.486aad9b17596@ssl.mecca.ca> <1214953757.2844.39.camel@pc-notebook> <6e24a8e80807020921s449e912fuc033a06e66a9a87a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <486BCBA3.7060201@fedoraproject.org> Mark a ?crit : > > You or martin really need to explain why that shit color keeps being > used with software boxes... > take a look here: > http://images.google.nl/images?ndsp=18&um=1&hl=nl&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla:nl:official&q=software+box&start=0&sa=N > NONE have that shit color. > > And to be somewhat more modern i would go for a shape like this one: > http://www.di-o-matic.com/press/Library/fswin/fswin-box.jpg > > And if you then still decide to use that shit color then use the real > cardboard one and not that over darkened one: > http://www.climatechangecorp.com/resources/images/content/large/20073147294_cardboard.jpg > > And besides that all the box is the deep. cut of 1/3 of it > > Sound like a enhancement. Here is a homework for you. Pick that icon, read Echo guideline and try to come with a variant using Inkscape. As Martin and I try to complete the second level menu, an active participation from critic would be greatly welcome. Luya - Interesting that nobody complained about the brown color choice before. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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We need an icon to look decent, have easily recognisable shape, even by colour blind people, suggest what it symbolises. In a small icon (22x22) you can easily mistake such box for credit card... > And if you then still decide to use that shit color then use the real > cardboard one and not that over darkened one: > http://www.climatechangecorp.com/resources/images/content/large/20073147294_cardboard.jpg > As I said earlier - the brightness of the icon is result of me trying various choices and comparing the results with other icons. I didn't chose the one that looks most like a paper box, I chose the one that looked most echoey. > And besides that all the box is the deep. cut of 1/3 of it > It's intentional. Due to other elements apart from the box, it looks weird when shorter. But as Luya said, if you feel like you can come up with something better, you are welcome to do so, if we feel like it's an improvement we'll approve it. Thanks, Martin -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 197 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From markg85 at gmail.com Wed Jul 2 19:09:04 2008 From: markg85 at gmail.com (Mark) Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2008 21:09:04 +0200 Subject: [echo] system-software-installer draft In-Reply-To: <486BCBA3.7060201@fedoraproject.org> References: <1214929370.2844.2.camel@pc-notebook> <1214950811.486aad9b17596@ssl.mecca.ca> <1214953757.2844.39.camel@pc-notebook> <6e24a8e80807020921s449e912fuc033a06e66a9a87a@mail.gmail.com> <486BCBA3.7060201@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <6e24a8e80807021209w6a039621u51c4556c3e97e61f@mail.gmail.com> 2008/7/2 Luya Tshimbalanga : > Sound like a enhancement. Here is a homework for you. Pick that icon, read > Echo guideline and try to come with a variant using Inkscape. As Martin and > I try to complete the second level menu, an active participation from critic > would be greatly welcome. > > Luya > - Interesting that nobody complained about the brown color choice before. Not completely true. I've complained about it before but not to the extend of what i said in my last post. I always thought that the brown thing was plain ugly (sorry Martin). Infact i don't agree on a bunch of the icons made so far.. but i'm not: 1. looking here to just complain 2. not always complain ofcause or not look at all new icons 3. only complain when i really feel that it's just ugly and should not exist (this icon) And yes, i can try to improve it but why should i when the color in general for wood/cardboard is looking like a shit color. First the color palette to use needs to change before i can give it a try. From markg85 at gmail.com Wed Jul 2 19:20:24 2008 From: markg85 at gmail.com (Mark) Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2008 21:20:24 +0200 Subject: [echo] system-software-installer draft In-Reply-To: <1215025651.6536.11.camel@pc-notebook> References: <1214929370.2844.2.camel@pc-notebook> <1214950811.486aad9b17596@ssl.mecca.ca> <1214953757.2844.39.camel@pc-notebook> <6e24a8e80807020921s449e912fuc033a06e66a9a87a@mail.gmail.com> <1215025651.6536.11.camel@pc-notebook> Message-ID: <6e24a8e80807021220n7e5d421btc2d41cbb3720dccf@mail.gmail.com> 2008/7/2 Martin Sourada : > On Wed, 2008-07-02 at 18:21 +0200, Mark wrote: >> You or martin really need to explain why that shit color keeps being >> used with software boxes... >> take a look here: >> http://images.google.nl/images?ndsp=18&um=1&hl=nl&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla:nl:official&q=software+box&start=0&sa=N >> NONE have that shit color. >> > Because: > * I like that colour > * You are the only one complaining about it > * It's picked from the colour palette > * Even though real-life packages are lighter than that, this fits Echo > more, we are not doing photo realistic icons > >> And to be somewhat more modern i would go for a shape like this one: >> http://www.di-o-matic.com/press/Library/fswin/fswin-box.jpg >> > We are talking about icons, not about real life. We need an icon to look > decent, have easily recognisable shape, even by colour blind people, > suggest what it symbolises. In a small icon (22x22) you can easily > mistake such box for credit card... > >> And if you then still decide to use that shit color then use the real >> cardboard one and not that over darkened one: >> http://www.climatechangecorp.com/resources/images/content/large/20073147294_cardboard.jpg >> > As I said earlier - the brightness of the icon is result of me trying > various choices and comparing the results with other icons. I didn't > chose the one that looks most like a paper box, I chose the one that > looked most echoey. > >> And besides that all the box is the deep. cut of 1/3 of it >> > It's intentional. Due to other elements apart from the box, it looks > weird when shorter. > > But as Luya said, if you feel like you can come up with something > better, you are welcome to do so, if we feel like it's an improvement > we'll approve it. > > Thanks, > Martin Thanx for your reply as you said: "* I like that colour". now if noone comments in here or only people that do like it then it will get in echo. And because you like it there will need to be a lot of people here that say otherwise before you don't include it. That's also another issue that you are practically the leader of the echo icon theme. if you don't like an icon that i make it won't get in and if you make an icon that i don't like (but you do) it can still get in (this one). And there are to few people reading and commenting on the art list to get a good idea of what the people think of it. In this thread it's just 3 people! And the examples i showed are for the shape! not the color use. (except the box. it's for color indication) it doesn't need to be photo realistic, but better then this would be a lot better From martin.sourada at gmail.com Wed Jul 2 19:21:47 2008 From: martin.sourada at gmail.com (Martin Sourada) Date: Wed, 02 Jul 2008 21:21:47 +0200 Subject: [echo] system-software-installer draft In-Reply-To: <6e24a8e80807021209w6a039621u51c4556c3e97e61f@mail.gmail.com> References: <1214929370.2844.2.camel@pc-notebook> <1214950811.486aad9b17596@ssl.mecca.ca> <1214953757.2844.39.camel@pc-notebook> <6e24a8e80807020921s449e912fuc033a06e66a9a87a@mail.gmail.com> <486BCBA3.7060201@fedoraproject.org> <6e24a8e80807021209w6a039621u51c4556c3e97e61f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1215026507.6536.19.camel@pc-notebook> On Wed, 2008-07-02 at 21:09 +0200, Mark wrote: > And yes, i can try to improve it but why should i when the color in > general for wood/cardboard is looking like a shit color. > First the color palette to use needs to change before i can give it a try. > Just for the sake of argument. 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Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 197 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From martin.sourada at gmail.com Wed Jul 2 19:35:09 2008 From: martin.sourada at gmail.com (Martin Sourada) Date: Wed, 02 Jul 2008 21:35:09 +0200 Subject: [echo] system-software-installer draft In-Reply-To: <6e24a8e80807021220n7e5d421btc2d41cbb3720dccf@mail.gmail.com> References: <1214929370.2844.2.camel@pc-notebook> <1214950811.486aad9b17596@ssl.mecca.ca> <1214953757.2844.39.camel@pc-notebook> <6e24a8e80807020921s449e912fuc033a06e66a9a87a@mail.gmail.com> <1215025651.6536.11.camel@pc-notebook> <6e24a8e80807021220n7e5d421btc2d41cbb3720dccf@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1215027309.6536.29.camel@pc-notebook> On Wed, 2008-07-02 at 21:20 +0200, Mark wrote: > Thanx for your reply > > as you said: "* I like that colour". now if noone comments in here or > only people that do like it then it will get in echo. And because you > like it there will need to be a lot of people here that say otherwise > before you don't include it. > Yeah. If nobody raises objections within a week since first draft, I consider the icon good enough to push into git (we need to progress even if we lack feedback, improvements to already created icons can be done along the way). Also if it is approved by both me and Luya, it can be considered as ready for push. > That's also another issue that you are practically the leader of the > echo icon theme. if you don't like an icon that i make it won't get in > and if you make an icon that i don't like (but you do) it can still > get in (this one). And there are to few people reading and commenting > on the art list to get a good idea of what the people think of it. In > this thread it's just 3 people! > I use colours I like in icons I create, I do not reject icon just because it uses colours I do not like. If I do not like the colour, I suggest another one, but that's all I do in that matter. Other thing is, if the icon is blurry, too complex, violates guidelines, ... Then I object a lot. But if I don't like the colour only, it's not a reason for me to reject the icon. Just like I mentioned in the system-file-manager icon. I didn't liked the silver version so I suggested wooden design. I also said, that I'd strongly argue against white. But that does not mean I would not let it be in Echo. If it follows the guidelines, if it fits with other icons (i.e. is neither over too bright nor dark) I won't block it ;-) Martin -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I quickly changed the colours to look > more real, but still be within the boundaries of the guidelines. You are > encouraged to not use the exact colours from guidelines if needed, but > you must not stray too far, if you would it wouldn't be echo any more. > Compare the original (system-software-update48a) to the result > (system-software-install48a), I attach both. > > Martin I still don't like the icon. maybe tastes just differ to much on this one. And on the rest you said. i agree ^_^ From martin.sourada at gmail.com Wed Jul 2 21:31:26 2008 From: martin.sourada at gmail.com (Martin Sourada) Date: Wed, 02 Jul 2008 23:31:26 +0200 Subject: [echo] system-software-installer draft In-Reply-To: <6e24a8e80807021409w48948d20rf4500853871d88a5@mail.gmail.com> References: <1214929370.2844.2.camel@pc-notebook> <1214950811.486aad9b17596@ssl.mecca.ca> <1214953757.2844.39.camel@pc-notebook> <6e24a8e80807020921s449e912fuc033a06e66a9a87a@mail.gmail.com> <486BCBA3.7060201@fedoraproject.org> <6e24a8e80807021209w6a039621u51c4556c3e97e61f@mail.gmail.com> <1215026507.6536.19.camel@pc-notebook> <6e24a8e80807021409w48948d20rf4500853871d88a5@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1215034286.6536.39.camel@pc-notebook> On Wed, 2008-07-02 at 23:09 +0200, Mark wrote: > I still don't like the icon. > maybe tastes just differ to much on this one. > Ok, then I'll go with the original colour (requires less work) and suggest you to fill enhancement ticket in trac [1] requesting for colour change (improvement) of the Echo box. Please try to be more constructive there (rather than criticizing, suggest how to improve it), some examples might help (links to images with short explanation). Images.google search results are of little help here so rather try to find one to three example images that nicely shows what your point is. > And on the rest you said. > i agree ^_^ > Martin References: [1] https://fedorahosted.org/echo-icon-theme/newticket -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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And because you > like it there will need to be a lot of people here that say otherwise > before you don't include it. > > That's also another issue that you are practically the leader of the > echo icon theme. if you don't like an icon that i make it won't get in > and if you make an icon that i don't like (but you do) it can still > get in (this one). And there are to few people reading and commenting > on the art list to get a good idea of what the people think of it. In > this thread it's just 3 people! Adding the fourth person to the thread... What's wrong with that? Martin is "practically the leader of the echo icon theme" because he is doing the largest amount of work, this is how things work around here: how does the work also makes the decisions. And what if Martin and Luya make a few suboptimal decisions? They can be corrected. And if Echo does not get good enough as a whole theme, we won't switch to it as a default for F10 (it isn't yet the default). > And the examples i showed are for the shape! not the color use. > (except the box. it's for color indication) it doesn't need to be > photo realistic, but better then this would be a lot better -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From martin.sourada at gmail.com Thu Jul 3 07:46:50 2008 From: martin.sourada at gmail.com (Martin Sourada) Date: Thu, 03 Jul 2008 09:46:50 +0200 Subject: [Echo] start-here icon DRAFT In-Reply-To: <1214950917.486aae05b60bb@ssl.mecca.ca> References: <1214731995.20278.14.camel@pc-notebook> <6e24a8e80806291034h1594ca7dnc693e7421ec1b6a1@mail.gmail.com> <1214930066.2844.14.camel@pc-notebook> <1214950917.486aae05b60bb@ssl.mecca.ca> Message-ID: <1215071210.6536.53.camel@pc-notebook> On Tue, 2008-07-01 at 18:21 -0400, Luya Tshimbalanga wrote: > Quoting Martin Sourada : > > > On Sun, 2008-06-29 at 19:34 +0200, Mark wrote: > > > 2008/6/29 Martin Sourada : > > > I like the icon! but not for the place you made it.. i would never > > > want to see that icon as my start icon.. > > > So it's good but try to find another purpose for it. 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Looking now at those samples, I agree the old brown is a bit too bright, on the left side of the gradient it is more like gold than cardboard (which will probably be its primary use). -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From markg85 at gmail.com Thu Jul 3 11:07:10 2008 From: markg85 at gmail.com (Mark) Date: Thu, 3 Jul 2008 13:07:10 +0200 Subject: [Echo] palette adjustment proposal In-Reply-To: <1215072095.6536.60.camel@pc-notebook> References: <1215072095.6536.60.camel@pc-notebook> Message-ID: <6e24a8e80807030407k29869202w84f4e57d1e1d4c78@mail.gmail.com> 2008/7/3 Martin Sourada : > Hi, > > based on some discussion with Mark, I decided to suggest slight > adjustment to the brown part of the Echo palette. See the attachments > for comparison between the new one and the old one, the colour changes > are: > > old -> new > ------------------ > #ffc022 -> #eccd84 > #b88100 -> #d49725 > #804d00 -> #804d00 > > Comments and suggestions welcome. > > Martin was about time that change got in! sad that i need to take so long and that i nearly need to get mad at you before you finally realize it. O well this is far better then the old one. Now you just have to improve all the old icons. btw: #ffc022 fits in yellow or orange (incase you still want to keep it in) From martin.sourada at gmail.com Thu Jul 3 11:55:08 2008 From: martin.sourada at gmail.com (Martin Sourada) Date: Thu, 03 Jul 2008 13:55:08 +0200 Subject: [Echo] system-software-{install,update} sketches Message-ID: <1215086108.6536.71.camel@pc-notebook> Sorry for breaking the threads but I felt like joining the two threads about system-software-install and system-software-update icons together. 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Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 197 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Thu Jul 3 13:02:36 2008 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Thu, 03 Jul 2008 16:02:36 +0300 Subject: [Echo] palette adjustment proposal In-Reply-To: <6e24a8e80807030407k29869202w84f4e57d1e1d4c78@mail.gmail.com> References: <1215072095.6536.60.camel@pc-notebook> <6e24a8e80807030407k29869202w84f4e57d1e1d4c78@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <486CCDEC.8080805@nicubunu.ro> Mark wrote: > > was about time that change got in! > sad that i need to take so long and that i nearly need to get mad at > you before you finally realize it. Sad that you used such a rude tone. > O well this is far better then the old one. > Now you just have to improve all the old icons. How about you helping with that? is not that hard to replace a gradient is some old icons -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Thu Jul 3 13:08:37 2008 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Thu, 03 Jul 2008 16:08:37 +0300 Subject: [Echo] system-software-{install,update} sketches In-Reply-To: <1215086108.6536.71.camel@pc-notebook> References: <1215086108.6536.71.camel@pc-notebook> Message-ID: <486CCF55.3040601@nicubunu.ro> Martin Sourada wrote: > Sorry for breaking the threads but I felt like joining the two threads > about system-software-install and system-software-update icons together. > I prepared some new sketches, as mentioned in my blog post about it [1]. > I attach all the sketches created so far and hope to finally decide > which way to go, so that I can make it properly and add other sizes :-) > > I think, we could go with system-software-update48a for > system-software-install (the name is different, because it was > originally meant for the update one) and with system-software-update48d > for system-software-install. I believe it is system-software-update48d for system-software-update. Those look like decent choices and I like the use of different colors for updates as the updates are represented by different colors according with their priorities (enhancement, bugfix, security). -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From markg85 at gmail.com Thu Jul 3 15:18:21 2008 From: markg85 at gmail.com (Mark) Date: Thu, 3 Jul 2008 17:18:21 +0200 Subject: [Echo] system-software-{install,update} sketches In-Reply-To: <1215086108.6536.71.camel@pc-notebook> References: <1215086108.6536.71.camel@pc-notebook> Message-ID: <6e24a8e80807030818i5c1b3fe0j70e82f6e88fc3d5@mail.gmail.com> 2008/7/3 Martin Sourada : > PS: Mark, please refrain from commenting on the brown colour used in the > sketches. It will be improved in the future (though probably not near > future - it is not a high priority task, compared to what still lays > before us, and keeping the boxes colour consistent makes more sense than > having one box with one colour and another with different). Oke ^_^ maybe i'm gonna put a little work in re-colorizing those icons that now have the old box. No promises! just that i might do it sometime soon. For the arrows: system-software-update48b.png and system-software-update48c.png are fine but: system-software-update48d.png and system-software-update48e.png those nearly lose there border (and on some pixels they lost it). Make the border 1px thicker and it's probably fine. btw. what happened to the shadows? they used to be a lot darker but here they seem like a nice soft shadow. look here: https://fedorahosted.org/echo-icon-theme/wiki/IconThemeStatus/Actions nearly all shadows there are darker then the ones you made here. Now are you gonna change all in this new one? or did this get in by accident? (that's for the icons you posted here) From martin.sourada at gmail.com Thu Jul 3 15:31:37 2008 From: martin.sourada at gmail.com (Martin Sourada) Date: Thu, 03 Jul 2008 17:31:37 +0200 Subject: [Echo] system-software-{install,update} sketches In-Reply-To: <6e24a8e80807030818i5c1b3fe0j70e82f6e88fc3d5@mail.gmail.com> References: <1215086108.6536.71.camel@pc-notebook> <6e24a8e80807030818i5c1b3fe0j70e82f6e88fc3d5@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1215099097.3198.5.camel@pc-notebook> On Thu, 2008-07-03 at 17:18 +0200, Mark wrote: > 2008/7/3 Martin Sourada : > > PS: Mark, please refrain from commenting on the brown colour used in the > > sketches. It will be improved in the future (though probably not near > > future - it is not a high priority task, compared to what still lays > > before us, and keeping the boxes colour consistent makes more sense than > > having one box with one colour and another with different). > > Oke ^_^ > maybe i'm gonna put a little work in re-colorizing those icons that > now have the old box. > No promises! just that i might do it sometime soon. > > For the arrows: > system-software-update48b.png > and > system-software-update48c.png > are fine > > but: > system-software-update48d.png > and > system-software-update48e.png > > those nearly lose there border (and on some pixels they lost it). Make > the border 1px thicker and it's probably fine. > > btw. what happened to the shadows? they used to be a lot darker but > here they seem like a nice soft shadow. > look here: https://fedorahosted.org/echo-icon-theme/wiki/IconThemeStatus/Actions > nearly all shadows there are darker then the ones you made here. Now > are you gonna change all in this new one? or did this get in by > accident? (that's for the icons you posted here) > The arrows are floating in the air, not standing on the ground, thus the shadow is softer. As for the comments regarding border - remember that all the icons listed here are sketches meant to help with deciding with which design to go, so I didn't care much in them about such issues. Do you have any preferences as to which design to use for system-software-install and which one for system-software-update? Martin -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 197 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From markg85 at gmail.com Thu Jul 3 15:43:32 2008 From: markg85 at gmail.com (Mark) Date: Thu, 3 Jul 2008 17:43:32 +0200 Subject: [Echo] system-software-{install,update} sketches In-Reply-To: <1215099097.3198.5.camel@pc-notebook> References: <1215086108.6536.71.camel@pc-notebook> <6e24a8e80807030818i5c1b3fe0j70e82f6e88fc3d5@mail.gmail.com> <1215099097.3198.5.camel@pc-notebook> Message-ID: <6e24a8e80807030843i2af09ac5i7bc40738a9a4630b@mail.gmail.com> 2008/7/3 Martin Sourada : > Do you have any preferences as to which design to use for > system-software-install and which one for system-software-update? For install the choice is kinda limited (just 1) so no preference there because there is nothing to prefer For the updates i would go for: system-software-update48d.png but i would change the arrow colors Down arrow with red Up arrow with green Down as in (unsecure) software leaving thus red Up as in new improved (secure) software coming in. From markg85 at gmail.com Thu Jul 3 15:57:10 2008 From: markg85 at gmail.com (Mark) Date: Thu, 3 Jul 2008 17:57:10 +0200 Subject: [Echo] system-software-{install,update} sketches In-Reply-To: <6e24a8e80807030843i2af09ac5i7bc40738a9a4630b@mail.gmail.com> References: <1215086108.6536.71.camel@pc-notebook> <6e24a8e80807030818i5c1b3fe0j70e82f6e88fc3d5@mail.gmail.com> <1215099097.3198.5.camel@pc-notebook> <6e24a8e80807030843i2af09ac5i7bc40738a9a4630b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <6e24a8e80807030857j31f5727bt9535a71ddbd60512@mail.gmail.com> My attempt at the software installer. And it's using the new brown colors ^_^ actually all old color gradients are about the same just the lightest brown color is changed to the new one and the gradients are changed a bit in directions. nothing to extreme. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: system-software-installer48b.png Type: image/png Size: 3673 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Sorry, ignore my comment above, I was confused and talked about a wrong icon. -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From martin.sourada at gmail.com Thu Jul 3 17:09:20 2008 From: martin.sourada at gmail.com (Martin Sourada) Date: Thu, 03 Jul 2008 19:09:20 +0200 Subject: [Echo] system-software-{install,update} sketches In-Reply-To: <6e24a8e80807030857j31f5727bt9535a71ddbd60512@mail.gmail.com> References: <1215086108.6536.71.camel@pc-notebook> <6e24a8e80807030818i5c1b3fe0j70e82f6e88fc3d5@mail.gmail.com> <1215099097.3198.5.camel@pc-notebook> <6e24a8e80807030843i2af09ac5i7bc40738a9a4630b@mail.gmail.com> <6e24a8e80807030857j31f5727bt9535a71ddbd60512@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1215104961.3198.16.camel@pc-notebook> On Thu, 2008-07-03 at 17:57 +0200, Mark wrote: > My attempt at the software installer. > And it's using the new brown colors ^_^ actually all old color > gradients are about the same just the lightest brown color is changed > to the new one and the gradients are changed a bit in directions. > nothing to extreme. Seems like we are more likely to use the icon with arrow, but that does not matter here. I see some slight inconsistences in the lighting, also the fills could contrast in some places more, in others less with the outlines. The problem I think is the biggest is that the inside of the package is lighter than the outside. That feels a little strange. When I publish the complete set of the system-software-install using this new brown style, would you be willing to adapt the package-x-generic to use the same gradients and perhaps also adapt the applications-other (this would also need to fix to follow the guidelines more closely)? These are the two icons most likely to clash with the new-styled box. Martin -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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See the attachments >> for comparison between the new one and the old one, the colour changes >> are: >> >> old -> new >> ------------------ >> #ffc022 -> #eccd84 >> #b88100 -> #d49725 >> #804d00 -> #804d00 >> >> Comments and suggestions welcome. > > Looking now at those samples, I agree the old brown is a bit too > bright, on the left side of the gradient it is more like gold than > cardboard (which will probably be its primary use). > May be we should keep the old gradient as I am considering to update emotes in a near future. Luya From martin.sourada at gmail.com Thu Jul 3 18:20:40 2008 From: martin.sourada at gmail.com (Martin Sourada) Date: Thu, 03 Jul 2008 20:20:40 +0200 Subject: [Echo] palette adjustment proposal In-Reply-To: <486D1573.8060108@fedoraproject.org> References: <1215072095.6536.60.camel@pc-notebook> <486CAB38.5030500@nicubunu.ro> <486D1573.8060108@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <1215109240.3198.24.camel@pc-notebook> On Thu, 2008-07-03 at 11:07 -0700, Luya Tshimbalanga wrote: > Nicu Buculei a ?crit : > May be we should keep the old gradient as I am considering to update > emotes in a near future. > > Luya > You can use yellow and orange colours for that, can't you? Martin -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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If anyone > is OK with it, I'll start making other sizes as well. > > Comments welcome. > > Martin Forget my attempt! your looks way better. Now don't you think that it looks better then the original? ^_^ From luya at fedoraproject.org Fri Jul 4 03:10:53 2008 From: luya at fedoraproject.org (Luya Tshimbalanga) Date: Thu, 03 Jul 2008 20:10:53 -0700 Subject: [echo] video-display sketches Message-ID: <486D94BD.70901@fedoraproject.org> Derived from computer icon. 16x16 is intentionally omitted because it will be a system-lock-screen variation. These icons will be the base of other variants such as resolution. Feedback welcome. Luya -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: video-display22.png Type: image/png Size: 1328 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I enjoy that you (basically) used the Fedora 9 "Waves" wallpaper. ;) -- ian From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Fri Jul 4 06:00:09 2008 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Fri, 04 Jul 2008 09:00:09 +0300 Subject: [echo] video-display sketches In-Reply-To: <486DA96C.1080604@gmail.com> References: <486D94BD.70901@fedoraproject.org> <486DA96C.1080604@gmail.com> Message-ID: <486DBC69.4020102@nicubunu.ro> Ian Weller wrote: > Luya Tshimbalanga wrote: >> Derived from computer icon. 16x16 is intentionally omitted because it >> will be a system-lock-screen >> variation. These icons will be the base of other variants such as >> resolution. Feedback welcome. > > I enjoy that you (basically) used the Fedora 9 "Waves" wallpaper. ;) Yup, +1 for the effort. But if we aim Echo as a default for F10, F10 will have a different wallpaper, so maybe is better to stay with something more release-neutral? (it would be uber-cool to have the real wallpaper for each release in the icons, but I doubt we will follow this) -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From ianweller at gmail.com Fri Jul 4 06:10:02 2008 From: ianweller at gmail.com (Ian Weller) Date: Fri, 04 Jul 2008 01:10:02 -0500 Subject: [echo] video-display sketches In-Reply-To: <486DBC69.4020102@nicubunu.ro> References: <486D94BD.70901@fedoraproject.org> <486DA96C.1080604@gmail.com> <486DBC69.4020102@nicubunu.ro> Message-ID: <486DBEBA.1060007@gmail.com> Nicu Buculei wrote: > But if we aim Echo as a default for F10, F10 will have a different > wallpaper, so maybe is better to stay with something more > release-neutral? (it would be uber-cool to have the real wallpaper for > each release in the icons, but I doubt we will follow this) > You could possibly talk to mizmo and see if we can add something like that to the release cycle. Then again, it might be a good idea to even keep it distro-neutral, just in case another distro wants to use our icons. -- Ian Weller http://ianweller.org GnuPG fingerprint: E51E 0517 7A92 70A2 4226 B050 87ED 7C97 EFA8 4A36 "Technology is a word that describes something that doesn't work yet." ~ Douglas Adams From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Fri Jul 4 06:29:19 2008 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Fri, 04 Jul 2008 09:29:19 +0300 Subject: [echo] video-display sketches In-Reply-To: <486DBEBA.1060007@gmail.com> References: <486D94BD.70901@fedoraproject.org> <486DA96C.1080604@gmail.com> <486DBC69.4020102@nicubunu.ro> <486DBEBA.1060007@gmail.com> Message-ID: <486DC33F.8090609@nicubunu.ro> Ian Weller wrote: > Nicu Buculei wrote: >> But if we aim Echo as a default for F10, F10 will have a different >> wallpaper, so maybe is better to stay with something more >> release-neutral? (it would be uber-cool to have the real wallpaper for >> each release in the icons, but I doubt we will follow this) >> > You could possibly talk to mizmo and see if we can add something like > that to the release cycle. That's not a problem, it is just a formality. The really hard part is to find an Echo developer willing to keep with this task (and updating not only this icon but also things like the computer icon which is put on the default desktop) when we have already tons of icons needed. > Then again, it might be a good idea to even keep it distro-neutral, just > in case another distro wants to use our icons. -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From luya_tfz at thefinalzone.com Fri Jul 4 07:06:12 2008 From: luya_tfz at thefinalzone.com (Luya Tshimbalanga) Date: Fri, 4 Jul 2008 03:06:12 -0400 Subject: [echo] video-display sketches In-Reply-To: <486DBEBA.1060007@gmail.com> References: <486D94BD.70901@fedoraproject.org> <486DA96C.1080604@gmail.com> <486DBC69.4020102@nicubunu.ro> <486DBEBA.1060007@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1215155172.486dcbe4259d5@ssl.mecca.ca> Quoting Ian Weller : > Then again, it might be a good idea to even keep it distro-neutral, just > in case another distro wants to use our icons. > Gentoo and Mandriva already got Echo on their repositories. Apparently, Xubuntu artwork team are keeping eyes as well. https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/xubuntu-devel/2008-June/006275.html I originally considered to make different version of video-display depending of distributions, I realized the task will be too much although the source SVG are available. -- Luya Tshimbalanga Fedora Project contributor http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/LuyaTshimbalanga From martin.sourada at gmail.com Fri Jul 4 07:39:01 2008 From: martin.sourada at gmail.com (Martin Sourada) Date: Fri, 04 Jul 2008 09:39:01 +0200 Subject: [echo] video-display sketches In-Reply-To: <486D94BD.70901@fedoraproject.org> References: <486D94BD.70901@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <1215157141.18315.8.camel@pc-notebook> On Thu, 2008-07-03 at 20:10 -0700, Luya Tshimbalanga wrote: > Derived from computer icon. 16x16 is intentionally omitted because it > will be a system-lock-screen > variation. These icons will be the base of other variants such as > resolution. Feedback welcome. > > > Luya > The 22x22 version could be perhaps more simplified. Overall it looks good :) As for the wallpapers, IIRC we'd need to refresh the wallpaper twice a year for these icons: * computer * video-display * system-lock-screen and optionally for * preferences-desktop-wallpaper * network-workgroup. Other distros can either keep it, or patch it to include theirs. Martin -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Something with > > > > sound would work well i think. > > > > > > > You have a point there, I can imagine it being used for IM applications > > > like empathy, gajim or pidgin, now that you mention it... My point > > > behind the decision for start-here was because the icon I used is main > > > part of the new echo-icon-theme logo and start-here is IMHO a good place > > > to show the logo (and it will most likely be replaced by fedora logo > > > when echo is made default fedora theme). > > > > > Maybe remove one wave will work. > > > > I decided to remove the waves altogether. Makes the icon less cluttered > and would probably work better in the place it is designed for. > > > Martin > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list > > > -- http://scwlab.com From jayme at jaymeayres.com Fri Jul 4 19:08:49 2008 From: jayme at jaymeayres.com (Jayme Ayres) Date: Fri, 4 Jul 2008 16:08:49 -0300 Subject: Software Freedom Day t-shirts Message-ID: <64b33fc70807041208p345c159amd7da3f7ed917106a@mail.gmail.com> Hi folks! While enjoying the discussions posted at the Brazilian Ambassadors list, I created a layout for the Software Freedom Day T-shirt ( http://softwarefreedomday.org ), Some of those Ambassadors offered to make such T-shirt for the event. I?ll post that at wiki when they are finished. http://jaymeayres.com/arquivos/tShirt-SFDay08.png http://jaymeayres.com/arquivos/tShirt-SFDay08.svg By the way, I?ve added an Artwork/T-Shirt design I made for the Fedora Ambassadors in Brazil - inspired by the art of the video http://www.redhatmagazine.com/2007/08/02/video-meet-the-fedora-ambassadors/ ) produced after FISL 7.0 https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/T-Shirt#Events cheers -- Jayme Ayres www.jaymeayres.com www.projetofedora.org http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/JaymeAyres From ianweller at gmail.com Fri Jul 4 19:18:59 2008 From: ianweller at gmail.com (Ian Weller) Date: Fri, 4 Jul 2008 14:18:59 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Software Freedom Day t-shirts In-Reply-To: <64b33fc70807041208p345c159amd7da3f7ed917106a@mail.gmail.com> References: <64b33fc70807041208p345c159amd7da3f7ed917106a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 4 Jul 2008, Jayme Ayres wrote: > http://jaymeayres.com/arquivos/tShirt-SFDay08.png > http://jaymeayres.com/arquivos/tShirt-SFDay08.svg > I can't seem to connect to your server. -- ian -- Ian Weller http://ianweller.org GnuPG fingerprint: E51E 0517 7A92 70A2 4226 B050 87ED 7C97 EFA8 4A36 "Technology is a word that describes something that doesn't work yet." ~ Douglas Adams From martin.sourada at gmail.com Fri Jul 4 20:53:25 2008 From: martin.sourada at gmail.com (Martin Sourada) Date: Fri, 04 Jul 2008 22:53:25 +0200 Subject: [Echo] start-here icon DRAFT In-Reply-To: References: <1214731995.20278.14.camel@pc-notebook> <6e24a8e80806291034h1594ca7dnc693e7421ec1b6a1@mail.gmail.com> <1214930066.2844.14.camel@pc-notebook> <1214950917.486aae05b60bb@ssl.mecca.ca> <1215071210.6536.53.camel@pc-notebook> Message-ID: <1215204805.18315.12.camel@pc-notebook> On Fri, 2008-07-04 at 21:30 +0300, Pavel Shevchuk wrote: > Magically converts fedora into epic pacman tribute... =) > Me wonders how long has it been since I last played pacman :-D Now we can only hope the icon won't start moving and eat the menu :-p Martin -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I'd been using a blue gradient in the background of my design and then as I sat staring at my own desktop of choice (Fedora 9, naturally) I realized that the WAVES image could be a nice subtle hint at which Linux distro is....well, the coolest. The design in question would look like this were i to incorporate Waves: http://www.thebadapples.info/fedorareloaded/lateNightHacking_waves.png I could probably have the guy making the CDs include a README file to give credit where credit is due, too. - klaatu -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gort.klaatu at gmail.com Sat Jul 5 01:49:36 2008 From: gort.klaatu at gmail.com (Klaatu and Gort) Date: Fri, 4 Jul 2008 18:49:36 -0700 Subject: art re-use policy Message-ID: I just accidentally appended a completely unrelated question to an ongoing thread. Sorry everyone : / Here again, my question, as it's own thread: Does anyone know what the policy on re-using (or remixing perhaps is a better term) the official Fedora wallpaper is? Here is the context: I am doing some wallpaper for a podcast (hackerpublicradio.org) that will be distributing a promotional CD of previous episodes, along with some bonus material like wallpaper art, at the upcoming HOPE conference. I'd been using a blue gradient in the background of my design and then as I sat staring at my own desktop of choice (Fedora 9, naturally) I realized that the WAVES image could be a nice subtle hint at which Linux distro is....well, the coolest. The design in question would look like this were i to incorporate Waves: http://www.thebadapples.info/fedorareloaded/lateNightHacking_waves.png I could probably have the guy making the CDs include a README file to give credit where credit is due, too. -- --- use linux. support free software. subscribe to http://www.thebadapples.info/ogg.xml http://www.thebadapples.info/fedorareloaded/ogg.xml -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Sat Jul 5 01:57:08 2008 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Sat, 05 Jul 2008 07:27:08 +0530 Subject: [Echo] start-here icon DRAFT In-Reply-To: References: <1214731995.20278.14.camel@pc-notebook> <6e24a8e80806291034h1594ca7dnc693e7421ec1b6a1@mail.gmail.com> <1214930066.2844.14.camel@pc-notebook> <1214950917.486aae05b60bb@ssl.mecca.ca> <1215071210.6536.53.camel@pc-notebook> <1215204805.18315.12.camel@pc-notebook> Message-ID: <486ED4F4.3070505@fedoraproject.org> Klaatu and Gort wrote: > Does anyone know what the policy on re-using (or remixing perhaps is a > better term) the official Fedora wallpaper is? IIRC, all of the artwork is GPL or dual licensed under GPL/ Creative Commons attribution share alike license. At any rate, remixing is explicitly allowed for any Fedora artwork as long as you give credit. So reusing the artwork while putting a note somewhere on the original source should do. Rahul PS: Avoid thread hijacking. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thread_hijacking From mairin at linuxgrrl.com Sat Jul 5 04:55:25 2008 From: mairin at linuxgrrl.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?M=E1ir=EDn_Duffy?=) Date: Sat, 05 Jul 2008 00:55:25 -0400 Subject: Software Freedom Day t-shirts In-Reply-To: <64b33fc70807041208p345c159amd7da3f7ed917106a@mail.gmail.com> References: <64b33fc70807041208p345c159amd7da3f7ed917106a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <486EFEBD.5030101@linuxgrrl.com> Hi Jayme! Jayme Ayres wrote: > Hi folks! > > While enjoying the discussions posted at the Brazilian Ambassadors > list, I created a layout for the Software Freedom Day T-shirt ( > http://softwarefreedomday.org ), Some of those Ambassadors offered to > make such T-shirt for the event. I?ll post that at wiki when they are > finished. > > http://jaymeayres.com/arquivos/tShirt-SFDay08.png > http://jaymeayres.com/arquivos/tShirt-SFDay08.svg Your software freedom day shirts and logo look *great*! Good job!! What is the license on the design? Thanks for sharing them with us! ~m From mairin at linuxgrrl.com Sat Jul 5 05:00:48 2008 From: mairin at linuxgrrl.com (=?UTF-8?B?TcOhaXLDrW4gRHVmZnk=?=) Date: Sat, 05 Jul 2008 01:00:48 -0400 Subject: art re-use policy In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <486F0000.6010902@linuxgrrl.com> Hey! Klaatu and Gort wrote: > The design in question would look like this were i to incorporate Waves: > http://www.thebadapples.info/fedorareloaded/lateNightHacking_waves.png > > I could probably have the guy making the CDs include a README file to > give credit where credit is due, too. I really, *really* like your Hacker Public radio design, very nice! The Fedora waves artwork is officially licensed under the GPL (which I understand isn't the best for artwork). Are you okay with sharing your artwork under the GPL or a similar license in spirit? (eg Creative Commons Attribute ShareAlike?) If you are willing to do that, then you're definitely fine to use it. If you aren't able to share under such a license (eg if the hacker public radio logo is something you want to protect), I did the original artwork for that image so we can talk about it a bit more. ~m From gort.klaatu at gmail.com Sat Jul 5 06:00:59 2008 From: gort.klaatu at gmail.com (Klaatu and Gort) Date: Fri, 4 Jul 2008 23:00:59 -0700 Subject: art re-use policy In-Reply-To: <486F0000.6010902@linuxgrrl.com> References: <486F0000.6010902@linuxgrrl.com> Message-ID: Hey M?ir?n, thanks! And yes, absolutely I'm ok with GPL for artwork. I am already planning on including the source svg's so that people can literally do whatever they like. I'll be sure to include a statement about GPL along with the source art. Thanks again. - klaatu On Fri, Jul 4, 2008 at 10:00 PM, M?ir?n Duffy wrote: > Hey! > > Klaatu and Gort wrote: > >> The design in question would look like this were i to incorporate Waves: >> http://www.thebadapples.info/fedorareloaded/lateNightHacking_waves.png >> >> I could probably have the guy making the CDs include a README file to give >> credit where credit is due, too. >> > > I really, *really* like your Hacker Public radio design, very nice! > > The Fedora waves artwork is officially licensed under the GPL (which I > understand isn't the best for artwork). Are you okay with sharing your > artwork under the GPL or a similar license in spirit? (eg Creative Commons > Attribute ShareAlike?) If you are willing to do that, then you're definitely > fine to use it. If you aren't able to share under such a license (eg if the > hacker public radio logo is something you want to protect), I did the > original artwork for that image so we can talk about it a bit more. > > ~m > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list > -- --- use linux. support free software. subscribe to http://www.thebadapples.info/ogg.xml http://www.thebadapples.info/fedorareloaded/ogg.xml -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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As there are requirements for large size icons in apps like GNOME Do [1] and Elisa [2], I recently started working on Mist icons with a bigger, 256x256 canvas. With some assistance from Kalle Persson and Hylke Bons, I now I have something that is usable and will try to merge these into gnome-themes trunk next week if everything goes well. It takes a bit of time to put these together, because of the level of detail (textures, shadows etc.), but I only have some stuff like folder-open left for it to be fully usable. There is also some action going on in Gossip [3] and Banshee [4] trunk, but help is greatly needed for other apps, so if anyone is interested in helping out, you're more than welcome. You can find the icons here: http://www.andreasn.se/diverse/temp/Mist.tar.gz and a preview here: http://www.andreasn.se/diverse/temp/mist-preview.png Just unpack the attached file in ./icons in your home folder. Hope you like the icons! 1. http://do.davebsd.com/ 2. http://elisa.fluendo.com/ 3. http://svn.gnome.org/viewvc/gossip/trunk/ 4. http://svn.gnome.org/viewvc/banshee/trunk/ - Andreas From spaz926 at gmail.com Sat Jul 5 17:42:26 2008 From: spaz926 at gmail.com (Tyler Carpenter) Date: Sat, 5 Jul 2008 11:42:26 -0600 Subject: Greetings Message-ID: <594846580807051042j57c1b19bi2e292c68f0e993c1@mail.gmail.com> My name is Tyler "Spaz" Carpenter. I've been working in GIMP, Blender, and many other 2D and 3D editing software for a while now, and I thought I would get my work out there. I found the Fedora Artwork Team and thought I'd join. I hope I can be of some help to you. Thank you, Tyler -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Don't be afraid to stop on by! -- Ian Weller http://ianweller.org GnuPG fingerprint: E51E 0517 7A92 70A2 4226 B050 87ED 7C97 EFA8 4A36 "Technology is a word that describes something that doesn't work yet." ~ Douglas Adams From spaz926 at gmail.com Sat Jul 5 18:02:07 2008 From: spaz926 at gmail.com (Tyler Carpenter) Date: Sat, 5 Jul 2008 12:02:07 -0600 Subject: Greetings In-Reply-To: References: <594846580807051042j57c1b19bi2e292c68f0e993c1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <594846580807051102u6e4c5aa3h6920b891ea19e152@mail.gmail.com> Thank you On 7/5/08, Ian Weller wrote: > > On Sat, 5 Jul 2008, Tyler Carpenter wrote: > > My name is Tyler "Spaz" Carpenter. I've been working in GIMP, Blender, and >> many other 2D and 3D editing software for a while now, and I thought I >> would >> get my work out there. I found the Fedora Artwork Team and thought I'd >> join. >> >> > Hello, Tyler! Thanks for joining! > > You may want to take a look at our current queue of things to do -- > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/DesignService > and just pick one and do it. Let the list know if you have any > questions. You might also want to contact the owner for each one. > > Our IRC channel is #fedora-art on irc.freenode.net. Don't be afraid to > stop on by! > > -- > Ian Weller http://ianweller.org > GnuPG fingerprint: E51E 0517 7A92 70A2 4226 B050 87ED 7C97 EFA8 4A36 > "Technology is a word that describes something that doesn't work yet." > ~ Douglas Adams > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list > -- Tyler Carpenter spaz926 at gmail.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Luya Reference: -------------- http://luya.fedorapeople.org/echo/devices/ From martin.sourada at gmail.com Sat Jul 5 20:55:22 2008 From: martin.sourada at gmail.com (Martin Sourada) Date: Sat, 05 Jul 2008 22:55:22 +0200 Subject: [Echo] plans for next releases (0.3.2.1 and 0.3.3) Message-ID: <1215291322.3206.33.camel@pc-notebook> Hi, as you might know, we've recently published our first release on fedora hosted (0.3.2) and I'll probably mark the update for F8/9 as stable tomorrow or in Monday. Also being it first release of echo using the new git layout + git branches, there are some little issues which I'll address in 0.3.2.1 - I forgot to include license file in the tarball some of the icons that were supposed to be in (drive-*) were updated only in master branch (future 0.4.x), so I'll add them as well. Also 0.3.x branch is "SVG disabled" one, so I'll probably remove the scalable icons from the tarball, to keep it smaller. That's for the next bugfix release and now for the next feature release. I've decided that one of the most important places to create icons in the menus for now are the System sub-menus, where there are many icons using neither echo nor gnome style and some of them are even blurry. The first step to achieve that goal is to fill in the gaps in System -> Administration menu. This one also includes filling bugs, because many of the system-config-* tools have either .png in the icon references or whole path in their desktop file, which prevents us from effectively theming their menu entries. I've created a milestone [1] and relevant bugs (hopefully with all the needed info) in the echo trac to keep track of the process. Because many of the icons are using same names as the apps and it makes sense to keep rather generic names for those, I provide assorted tables here. First suggestions for icons that are already in the icon naming specs [2]: icon name tool used in .desktop ----------------------------------------------------------------- preferences-desktop-locale Language Yes printer Printing Yes security-high Root Password No system-software-update Update System Yes video-display Display No and those for which I propose an icon name as well (none of which are used in the .desktop files of relevant tools): icon name tool -------------------------------------------------------------- preferences-system-authentication Authentication preferences-system-bootloader Bootloader preferences-system-date Date & Time preferences-system-firewall Firewall preferences-system-users Users and Groups system-network-control Network Device Control system-software-install Add/Remove Software system-software-sources Software Sources utilities-lvm Logical Volume Management Any comments, suggestions, objections? Thanks, Martin References: [1] https://fedorahosted.org/echo-icon-theme/milestone/0.3.3 [2] http://standards.freedesktop.org/icon-naming-spec/icon-naming-spec-latest.html -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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You'd also need to create symlinks to system-config-display, to display it in the menu, until the upstream bug [2] is fixed. You can do it similar way like it's done for the already existing icons from the set (48x48 and scalable). Thanks, Martin References: [1] https://fedorahosted.org/echo-icon-theme/ticket/30 [2] https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=447012 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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E.g. security-high is described as The icon used to indicate that the security level of a connection is known to be secure, using strong encryption and a valid certificate. In the interest of keeping the spec meaningful, it would be much better to add suitable names for application icons, rather than reusing those icons. It is of course fine to use the same image for both in an icon theme, if it is suitable. But I can easily imagine an image for 'secure connection' that doesn't work at all for 'root password'. From martin.sourada at gmail.com Sat Jul 5 21:26:53 2008 From: martin.sourada at gmail.com (Martin Sourada) Date: Sat, 05 Jul 2008 23:26:53 +0200 Subject: [Echo] plans for next releases (0.3.2.1 and 0.3.3) In-Reply-To: <1215292567.3278.9.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1215291322.3206.33.camel@pc-notebook> <1215292567.3278.9.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1215293213.3206.50.camel@pc-notebook> On Sat, 2008-07-05 at 17:16 -0400, Matthias Clasen wrote: > On Sat, 2008-07-05 at 22:55 +0200, Martin Sourada wrote: > > > > > icon name tool used in .desktop > > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > > preferences-desktop-locale Language Yes > > printer Printing Yes > > security-high Root Password No > > system-software-update Update System Yes > > video-display Display No > > > security-high is a status icon, printer and video-display are device > icons. E.g. security-high is described as > > The icon used to indicate that the security level of a connection is > known to be secure, using strong encryption and a valid certificate. > > In the interest of keeping the spec meaningful, it would be much better > to add suitable names for application icons, rather than reusing > those icons. It is of course fine to use the same image for both in > an icon theme, if it is suitable. But I can easily imagine an image for > 'secure connection' that doesn't work at all for 'root password'. > You are probably right about the security-high. I tried to find an icon in the specs that matches the original most, if any. As for the printer and video-display, it seems to be common practice to use device icons for device configuration tools - mouse, keyboard, printer - to name a few. I don't see anything wrong with that. There's not much point IMHO, about differentiating between device and device configuration tool icons, because the usage is obvious from the context the icon is used in - and having two names for one icon is IMHO overkill. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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You can do > it similar way like it's done for the already existing icons from the > set (48x48 and scalable). > > Pushed on both master and 0.3.x. branches. Luya From martin.sourada at gmail.com Sun Jul 6 08:33:05 2008 From: martin.sourada at gmail.com (Martin Sourada) Date: Sun, 06 Jul 2008 10:33:05 +0200 Subject: [echo] video-display sketches - updates In-Reply-To: <48703D11.1070408@fedoraproject.org> References: <486D94BD.70901@fedoraproject.org> <486FC7A6.4050402@fedoraproject.org> <1215285608.31322.2.camel@pc-notebook> <486FCCE6.6080304@fedoraproject.org> <1215287105.31322.7.camel@pc-notebook> <486FD976.1030209@fedoraproject.org> <1215291762.3206.40.camel@pc-notebook> <48703D11.1070408@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <1215333185.3206.53.camel@pc-notebook> On Sat, 2008-07-05 at 20:33 -0700, Luya Tshimbalanga wrote: > Martin Sourada a ?crit : > > > > Looking great! I have no further comments. After you upload it to git, > > please add a comment to the relevant bug (I suppose you can also close > > it) [1]. You'd also need to create symlinks to system-config-display, to > > display it in the menu, until the upstream bug [2] is fixed. You can do > > it similar way like it's done for the already existing icons from the > > set (48x48 and scalable). > > > > > Pushed on both master and 0.3.x. branches. > > Luya > Seems like committing to more branches is still not handled very well. You added bunch of .rej and .orig files to the 0.3.x branch and didn't update 48x48 source SVG, scalable SVG and all PNGs (seems that binary files cannot be tracked by diff). I've fixed it :) Martin -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Cross between neon colors and cyberpunk society. Think Blade Runner or Johnny Mnemonic...... " https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/F10Themes/liberaProgramaro - klaatu -- --- use linux. support free software. subscribe to http://www.thebadapples.info/ogg.xml http://www.thebadapples.info/fedorareloaded/ogg.xml -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: klaatupubkey.asc URL: From wm.adm.jjm at gmail.com Mon Jul 7 04:43:29 2008 From: wm.adm.jjm at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-2?Q?Ji=F8=ED_Jakub_Ma=B9ek?=) Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2008 06:43:29 +0200 Subject: Fedora10 Theme Proposal In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <26011d820807062143s1b04d7c1n80ae8652ccf38e80@mail.gmail.com> Hi, good work... JJM 2008/7/7 Klaatu and Gort : > Inspiration for theme on the wiki page. But I could also just quote > Michael Beckwith's inspiration on his Neon theme: > "Initial idea. 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Luya From luya at fedoraproject.org Mon Jul 7 07:50:33 2008 From: luya at fedoraproject.org (Luya Tshimbalanga) Date: Mon, 07 Jul 2008 00:50:33 -0700 Subject: [echo] accessories-character-map sketches Message-ID: <4871CAC9.8050008@fedoraproject.org> New draft on a keyboard pad using URW Gothic typeface for "?" character. Feedback welcome. Luya Reference: --------------- http://luya.fedorapeople.org/echo/applications/ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: accessories-character-map16.png Type: image/png Size: 790 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: accessories-character-map16.svg Type: image/svg+xml Size: 8030 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Martin -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 197 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From martin.sourada at gmail.com Mon Jul 7 08:06:20 2008 From: martin.sourada at gmail.com (Martin Sourada) Date: Mon, 07 Jul 2008 10:06:20 +0200 Subject: [Echo] system-software-{install,update} sketches - update In-Reply-To: <4871C708.9050400@fedoraproject.org> References: <1215086108.6536.71.camel@pc-notebook> <1215379669.3206.62.camel@pc-notebook> <4871C708.9050400@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <1215417980.3206.87.camel@pc-notebook> On Mon, 2008-07-07 at 00:34 -0700, Luya Tshimbalanga wrote: > system-software-update is good enough. No complain about it. > system-software-installer appears to be odd (especially 16x16) with > package on the back. 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Could you make arrow straight to see how the icon > > will turn out? > > > Hmm... is there a chance you talk about system-software-install and mean > system-software-update? To me system-software-update looks more odd. Yeah, that was the oddity of system-software-update I meant to mention. What about moving the right arrow to the right? -- Luya Tshimbalanga Fedora Project contributor http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/LuyaTshimbalanga From martin.sourada at gmail.com Mon Jul 7 09:57:34 2008 From: martin.sourada at gmail.com (Martin Sourada) Date: Mon, 07 Jul 2008 11:57:34 +0200 Subject: [Echo] system-software-{install,update} sketches - update In-Reply-To: <1215420636.4871d8dc5d22b@ssl.mecca.ca> References: <1215086108.6536.71.camel@pc-notebook> <1215379669.3206.62.camel@pc-notebook> <4871C708.9050400@fedoraproject.org> <1215417980.3206.87.camel@pc-notebook> <1215420636.4871d8dc5d22b@ssl.mecca.ca> Message-ID: <1215424654.3206.94.camel@pc-notebook> On Mon, 2008-07-07 at 04:50 -0400, Luya Tshimbalanga wrote: > Yeah, that was the oddity of system-software-update I meant to mention. What > about moving the right arrow to the right? > There's no place for that in 16x16 - the arrows take up whole width of the canvas and in the other sizes I also filled the whole canvas, though in a slightly different way :( The more I think about it, the more it seems to me like we'll have to go with just the arrows themselves. The package really don't work good with it. I'll make them in the afternoon. Is there any preference as to which should be red and which green? With the straight ones you seemed to be inclining towards the upward pointing being red, while with the clock-like Mark seemed to be inclined towards the downward pointing one to be red... Martin -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 197 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From tshimulu at gmail.com Mon Jul 7 18:24:35 2008 From: tshimulu at gmail.com (Luya Tshimbalanga) Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2008 11:24:35 -0700 Subject: [Echo] system-software-{install,update} sketches - update In-Reply-To: <1215436811.3206.96.camel@pc-notebook> References: <1215086108.6536.71.camel@pc-notebook> <1215379669.3206.62.camel@pc-notebook> <4871C708.9050400@fedoraproject.org> <1215417980.3206.87.camel@pc-notebook> <1215420636.4871d8dc5d22b@ssl.mecca.ca> <1215436811.3206.96.camel@pc-notebook> Message-ID: 2008/7/7 Martin Sourada : > Ok, as promised, here's another take on the system update. Looks like > there is no other option than to go without package :( > > These icons look good enough. To be consistent, down arrow should be green (installation) and up arrow red (removal). Since those shapes are curved, these icons should differentiate from p2p version. -- Luya Tshimbalanga http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/LuyaTshimbalanga Fedora Project Contributor Fedora Artwork -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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E.g. security-high is described as > > The icon used to indicate that the security level of a connection is > known to be secure, using strong encryption and a valid certificate. > In order to keep the specs more meaningful, I've changed the icon name for Root Password to system-root-password, which is not in the current verion of the icon naming specs. Any further comments / suggestions / objections? Thanks, Martin -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Here's the fixed version (using rectangular > grid as reference for pixel grid). > > Pushed these icons included the fix in the tree. Luya From luya at fedoraproject.org Mon Jul 7 21:40:01 2008 From: luya at fedoraproject.org (Luya Tshimbalanga) Date: Mon, 07 Jul 2008 14:40:01 -0700 Subject: Pencil project - Sketching tool In-Reply-To: <48727B21.9010501@fedoraproject.org> References: <48727B21.9010501@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <48728D31.2080707@fedoraproject.org> Rahul Sundaram a ?crit : > Hi > > Maybe this will come in handy. > > http://www.evolus.vn/Pencil/Home.html > Interesting. Thanks, Rahul Luya From martin.sourada at gmail.com Mon Jul 7 21:39:42 2008 From: martin.sourada at gmail.com (Martin Sourada) Date: Mon, 07 Jul 2008 23:39:42 +0200 Subject: [echo] accessories-character-map sketches In-Reply-To: <487287CD.6030807@fedoraproject.org> References: <4871CAC9.8050008@fedoraproject.org> <1215417540.3206.79.camel@pc-notebook> <48722F48.10105@fedoraproject.org> <1215443561.3206.100.camel@pc-notebook> <487287CD.6030807@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <1215466782.3206.127.camel@pc-notebook> On Mon, 2008-07-07 at 14:17 -0700, Luya Tshimbalanga wrote: > Martin Sourada a ?crit : > > Hm... for some reason it seems the axonometric grid you used is a little > > off with the pixel grid. Here's the fixed version (using rectangular > > grid as reference for pixel grid). > > > > > Pushed these icons included the fix in the tree. > > Luya > Looking at the amount of mistakes made in each commits, I believe the part of the git tutorial about changes to more branches [1] was not so well written (actually it worked only partially), therefore I remove it. I'll hopefully add a new wiki page describing the process of adding new icons to git step by step, which should prevent all those mistakes to happen. Martin References: [1] https://fedorahosted.org/echo-icon-theme/wiki/WorkingWithGit#Makingsimilarchangestomorebranches -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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By coincidence, I happen to be wearing my Brazilian ambassadors shirt today -- I'm giving my New Hire Orientation to Red Hat employees, and I'm bragging to them about how awesome our Brazilians are. ;) --g From jayme at jaymeayres.com Tue Jul 8 11:16:36 2008 From: jayme at jaymeayres.com (Jayme Ayres) Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2008 08:16:36 -0300 Subject: Pencil project - Sketching tool In-Reply-To: <48728D31.2080707@fedoraproject.org> References: <48727B21.9010501@fedoraproject.org> <48728D31.2080707@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <64b33fc70807080416y6028064ag6d250fd33ebb06fc@mail.gmail.com> Very interesting! 2008/7/7 Luya Tshimbalanga : > Rahul Sundaram a ?crit : >> Hi >> >> Maybe this will come in handy. >> >> http://www.evolus.vn/Pencil/Home.html >> > Interesting. Thanks, Rahul > > Luya > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list > -- Jayme Ayres www.jaymeayres.com www.projetofedora.org http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/JaymeAyres From martin.sourada at gmail.com Tue Jul 8 17:15:57 2008 From: martin.sourada at gmail.com (Martin Sourada) Date: Tue, 08 Jul 2008 19:15:57 +0200 Subject: [Echo] preferences-system-firewall sketches Message-ID: <1215537357.25685.10.camel@pc-notebook> I've prepared two different designs for preferences-system-firewall. Basically both implement the idea of firewall being some sort of security wall - therefore I used brick wall and lock. In first design the lock is supposed to be drawn on the wall, in the second design, it is an object on it's own. In both images I used some gimp tricks in order to look more smooth on LCDs for the PNGs. Comments, suggestions, etc. welcome. Martin Ugh... 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Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 197 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From tshimulu at gmail.com Wed Jul 9 03:10:45 2008 From: tshimulu at gmail.com (Luya Tshimbalanga) Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2008 20:10:45 -0700 Subject: [Echo] preferences-system-firewall sketches In-Reply-To: <1215537357.25685.10.camel@pc-notebook> References: <1215537357.25685.10.camel@pc-notebook> Message-ID: 2008/7/8 Martin Sourada : > I've prepared two different designs for preferences-system-firewall. > Basically both implement the idea of firewall being some sort of > security wall - therefore I used brick wall and lock. In first design > the lock is supposed to be drawn on the wall, in the second design, it > is an object on it's own. In both images I used some gimp tricks in > order to look more smooth on LCDs for the PNGs. > > > The lock is barely visible given the dominance of the bright brick color. How about placing Internet icon behind the wall? It might looks like *cough* Microsoft Windows Defender but other Firewall icons are not that great IMHO. -- Luya Tshimbalanga http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/LuyaTshimbalanga Fedora Project Contributor Fedora Artwork -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tshimulu at gmail.com Wed Jul 9 03:21:17 2008 From: tshimulu at gmail.com (Luya Tshimbalanga) Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2008 20:21:17 -0700 Subject: [Echo] New guide - Adding new icons In-Reply-To: <1215470524.3206.133.camel@pc-notebook> References: <1215470524.3206.133.camel@pc-notebook> Message-ID: 2008/7/7 Martin Sourada : Because the tutorial also aimed to artists, perhaps an illustrations of process will be useful. -- Luya Tshimbalanga http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/LuyaTshimbalanga Fedora Project Contributor Fedora Artwork -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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It might looks > like *cough* Microsoft Windows Defender but other Firewall icons are not > that great IMHO. And from the two, the "a" version (painted lock) is the least readable. Anyway, it seems a wall made from red bricks and *something* is the most common used metaphor for such icon, so we should stay with it, at it will be easily recognized by users. Maybe to not copy the icon from Windows, protect a *computer* with the wall? -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From martin.sourada at gmail.com Wed Jul 9 07:40:56 2008 From: martin.sourada at gmail.com (Martin Sourada) Date: Wed, 09 Jul 2008 09:40:56 +0200 Subject: [Echo] preferences-system-firewall sketches In-Reply-To: References: <1215537357.25685.10.camel@pc-notebook> Message-ID: <1215589256.25685.16.camel@pc-notebook> On Tue, 2008-07-08 at 20:10 -0700, Luya Tshimbalanga wrote: > The lock is barely visible given the dominance of the bright brick > color. How about placing Internet icon behind the wall? It might looks > like *cough* Microsoft Windows Defender but other Firewall icons are > not that great IMHO. Hm... I'll try the one with Globe, though I am not sure if it would work. Also, looking at the MS Win Defender icon, I'll perhaps try stone wall... And with the red one + lock - I'll perhaps try darker red for bricks and bigger lock. Is it really that bad visible in 48x48 - I see it quite well? In smaller sizes the lock will be bigger, compared to the size of the wall, in order to improve readability. Martin -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 197 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Wed Jul 9 07:59:37 2008 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Wed, 09 Jul 2008 10:59:37 +0300 Subject: [Echo] preferences-system-firewall sketches In-Reply-To: <1215589256.25685.16.camel@pc-notebook> References: <1215537357.25685.10.camel@pc-notebook> <1215589256.25685.16.camel@pc-notebook> Message-ID: <48746FE9.6050002@nicubunu.ro> Martin Sourada wrote: > Hm... I'll try the one with Globe, though I am not sure if it would > work. Also, looking at the MS Win Defender icon, I'll perhaps try stone > wall... And with the red one + lock - I'll perhaps try darker red for > bricks and bigger lock. Is it really that bad visible in 48x48 - I see > it quite well? In smaller sizes the lock will be bigger, compared to the > size of the wall, in order to improve readability. For me it wasn't about the size but about the contrast: dark red lock painted on a red wall. A stone wall (grey?) will probably improve this. BTW, do you think is good to use GIMP tricks to improve display? This way the binary (PNG) can't be built directly from source and would make the life harder for derivatives. -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From transnetinformatica at googlepage.zzn.com Wed Jul 9 07:57:54 2008 From: transnetinformatica at googlepage.zzn.com (TransNet =?iso-8859-1?B?SW5mb3Jt4XRpY2E=?=) Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2008 04:57:54 -0300 Subject: [Echo] system-software It's my reply Message-ID: <4C5BDDB9EB352F04DA39BC700ADF4C1E@transnetinformatica.googlepage.zzn.com> Sorry, Martin, but your emails are empty of context, even your atachments... You did send a lot of e-mails to me...all of them are empty, no filles, no attachments...maybe I'm not knowing how to do... Could you explain me exactly what I must to do? Uh, my internet connection is once a day, from 3:00 to 6:00, brazilian timetable. Sorry by now. I'm waiting your response... TransNet Inform?tica Evolu??o Constante Get your Free E-mail at http://www.googlepage.zzn.com ____________________________________________________________ Obtenha seu Servi?o de Correio eletr?nico Baseado na Web Service em http://www.zzn.com From luya at fedoraproject.org Wed Jul 9 08:06:57 2008 From: luya at fedoraproject.org (Luya Tshimbalanga) Date: Wed, 09 Jul 2008 01:06:57 -0700 Subject: [Echo] preference-system-date sketches Message-ID: <487471A1.9080203@fedoraproject.org> Quick sketches of that icon extracted from new-appointment status. Unlike Bluecurve version, only the clock is used in order to make icon less cluttered. Feedback welcome. Luya -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: preference-system-date32.png Type: image/png Size: 2394 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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This > way the binary (PNG) can't be built directly from source and would make > the life harder for derivatives. > The antialiasing seems to work rather bad for this icon using inkscape inkscape, thus I decided to export bigger version and make it smaller in gimp (first do gaussian blur with radius 5 and then make the icon smaller using linear resize to 1/10 of the original export size). Martin -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Luya From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Wed Jul 9 09:23:18 2008 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Wed, 09 Jul 2008 12:23:18 +0300 Subject: [Echo] system-software It's my reply In-Reply-To: <4C5BDDB9EB352F04DA39BC700ADF4C1E@transnetinformatica.googlepage.zzn.com> References: <4C5BDDB9EB352F04DA39BC700ADF4C1E@transnetinformatica.googlepage.zzn.com> Message-ID: <48748386.1050605@nicubunu.ro> TransNet Inform?tica wrote: > Sorry, Martin, but your emails are empty of context, even your atachments... You did send a lot of e-mails to me...all of them are empty, no filles, no attachments...maybe I'm not knowing how to do... You are receiving the mail because you are subscribed to the Fedora-Art mailing list. > Could you explain me exactly what I must to do? I receive the mails just fine and they are fine too in our list archive: https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-art-list/2008-July/thread.html so my best guess is there is something wrong with your mail server or mail client (it appears you are using webmail). If those are defective and you want to continue reading the list, maybe use another email service? > Uh, my internet connection is once a day, from 3:00 to 6:00, brazilian timetable. Which is fine for reading mail (BTW, is a good practice to express time in something other people can understand easily, like UTC). -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Wed Jul 9 10:30:24 2008 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Wed, 09 Jul 2008 13:30:24 +0300 Subject: [Echo] preferences-system-firewall sketches In-Reply-To: <1215590955.25685.21.camel@pc-notebook> References: <1215537357.25685.10.camel@pc-notebook> <1215589256.25685.16.camel@pc-notebook> <48746FE9.6050002@nicubunu.ro> <1215590955.25685.21.camel@pc-notebook> Message-ID: <48749340.7090505@nicubunu.ro> Martin Sourada wrote: > On Wed, 2008-07-09 at 10:59 +0300, Nicu Buculei wrote: >> BTW, do you think is good to use GIMP tricks to improve display? This >> way the binary (PNG) can't be built directly from source and would make >> the life harder for derivatives. >> > The antialiasing seems to work rather bad for this icon using inkscape > inkscape, thus I decided to export bigger version and make it smaller in > gimp (first do gaussian blur with radius 5 and then make the icon > smaller using linear resize to 1/10 of the original export size). To my eye the antialiasing produced by Inkscape is not that bad that it is worth introducing undocumented (that is, somebody downloading the SVG will not be aware by your quick trick; bonus points if a few other icons uses different optimisations) complexity. -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From martin.sourada at gmail.com Wed Jul 9 20:03:48 2008 From: martin.sourada at gmail.com (Martin Sourada) Date: Wed, 09 Jul 2008 22:03:48 +0200 Subject: [Echo] preferences-system-firewall sketches In-Reply-To: References: <1215537357.25685.10.camel@pc-notebook> Message-ID: <1215633828.27713.12.camel@pc-notebook> As promised, here is next batch of sketches of preferences-system-firewall. I modified the wall to use darker shades of red and also to have slightly different bricks so they are not all same. In the first take I also changed the lock to better contrast with the wall, in the second take I tried using globe together with the wall and in the third take I used display with the wall (whole computer would make the icon really crowded). I personally still tend towards liking the one with lock the most so if anyone agrees, I'd rather focus my efforts on further improving that design (the wall still IMHO needs some improvements, also this design would require quite a lot of work on smaller sizes as well). This time I didn't do the gimp post-processing, per Nicu's, IMHO quite reasonable, request. If we feel like needing it, we can document it somewhere... Due to size restrictions on the list I attach only PNGs, the rest is at: http://mso.fedorapeople.org/echo/Applications/ Comments welcome, Martin -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I modified the wall to use darker shades of > red and also to have slightly different bricks so they are not all same. > In the first take I also changed the lock to better contrast with the > wall, in the second take I tried using globe together with the wall and > in the third take I used display with the wall (whole computer would > make the icon really crowded). > fwiw I think that red color is way too bright. It hurts my eyes to look at it. ~m From martin.sourada at gmail.com Wed Jul 9 22:14:43 2008 From: martin.sourada at gmail.com (Martin Sourada) Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2008 00:14:43 +0200 Subject: [Echo] New guide - Adding new icons In-Reply-To: References: <1215470524.3206.133.camel@pc-notebook> Message-ID: <1215641683.27713.16.camel@pc-notebook> On Tue, 2008-07-08 at 20:21 -0700, Luya Tshimbalanga wrote: > > > 2008/7/7 Martin Sourada : > > > Because the tutorial also aimed to artists, perhaps an illustrations > of process will be useful. > -- > Luya Tshimbalanga > http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/LuyaTshimbalanga > Fedora Project Contributor > Fedora Artwork I thought a screencast or set of screenshots might be useful, however I've never done a screencast (and don't know where to host videos with sufficient quality) :-D I'll see how it can be improved with screenshots (I'll make them during my next commit, if I don't forget). Martin -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 197 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From martin.sourada at gmail.com Wed Jul 9 22:28:40 2008 From: martin.sourada at gmail.com (Martin Sourada) Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2008 00:28:40 +0200 Subject: [Echo] preference-system-date sketches In-Reply-To: <487471A1.9080203@fedoraproject.org> References: <487471A1.9080203@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <1215642520.27713.29.camel@pc-notebook> On Wed, 2008-07-09 at 01:06 -0700, Luya Tshimbalanga wrote: > Quick sketches of that icon extracted from new-appointment status. > Unlike Bluecurve version, only the clock is used in order to make icon > less cluttered. Feedback welcome. > > Luya I think the metaphor is good. Did you tried adding a calendar, or did you just suppose it would be cluttered if you added it? As for the drawing itself - the 48x48 PNG you attached is actually 72x72 (not a big issue in this part of the process), the clock-face is slightly off the perspective (or at least the axonometric grid), to me it looks like simple rotation slightly counter-clock-wise might fix that, and the bar at 6 o'clock is blurry in the 32x32, probably as a result of the clock-face perspective issue as the minute hand, which should have same X position, is crisp. Also the shadow might be perhaps slightly improved to better reflect the shape of the icon. Perhaps the shadow in emblem-important (I don't think it's present in the SVGs though) fits the shape slightly better. I am looking forward the other sizes :) Martin -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I modified the wall to use darker shades of >> red and also to have slightly different bricks so they are not all same. >> In the first take I also changed the lock to better contrast with the >> wall, in the second take I tried using globe together with the wall and >> in the third take I used display with the wall (whole computer would >> make the icon really crowded). > > fwiw I think that red color is way too bright. It hurts my eyes to look at > it. > > ~m > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list > -- Jayme Ayres www.jaymeayres.com www.projetofedora.org http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/JaymeAyres From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Thu Jul 10 06:28:01 2008 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2008 09:28:01 +0300 Subject: [Echo] New guide - Adding new icons In-Reply-To: <1215641683.27713.16.camel@pc-notebook> References: <1215470524.3206.133.camel@pc-notebook> <1215641683.27713.16.camel@pc-notebook> Message-ID: <4875ABF1.3030408@nicubunu.ro> Martin Sourada wrote: > I thought a screencast or set of screenshots might be useful, however > I've never done a screencast (and don't know where to host videos with > sufficient quality) :-D I'll see how it can be improved with screenshots > (I'll make them during my next commit, if I don't forget). You can host the original OGG files on fedorapeople.org (and if you are happy with them, publish with FedoraTV - https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-marketing-list/2008-July/msg00041.html -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From chitlesh.goorah at gmail.com Thu Jul 10 08:56:43 2008 From: chitlesh.goorah at gmail.com (Chitlesh GOORAH) Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2008 10:56:43 +0200 Subject: Fedora10 Theme Proposal In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <50baabb30807100156l43df5a68i734e515d5ce0e2bb@mail.gmail.com> 2008/7/7 Klaatu and Gort : > Inspiration for theme on the wiki page. But I could also just quote Michael > Beckwith's inspiration on his Neon theme: > "Initial idea. Cross between neon colors and cyberpunk society. Think Blade > Runner or Johnny Mnemonic...... " > > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/F10Themes/liberaProgramaro Hai great work. However, I would recommend using colours similar to F8's theme, as : on some laptops (or while using the battery), the theme will be too dark. F9's theme is too dark with certain laptop screens. Let's optimize that for F10. Chitlesh From gort.klaatu at gmail.com Thu Jul 10 17:02:18 2008 From: gort.klaatu at gmail.com (Klaatu and Gort) Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2008 10:02:18 -0700 Subject: Fedora10 Theme Proposal In-Reply-To: <50baabb30807100156l43df5a68i734e515d5ce0e2bb@mail.gmail.com> References: <50baabb30807100156l43df5a68i734e515d5ce0e2bb@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Chitlesh, Thanks! And happily, the background color is highly flexible and easily changed. But surely you mean "too bright" not too dark? It seems to me that the backgrounds that I have posted are very light when compared to F9, or to the evening and late-night colors for F8. The morning shade of blue for F8 was fairly light, perhaps that would be a good shade for my liberaProgramaro. When I get back home to a F8 system maybe I'll give that a shot and post the results. - klaatu On Thu, Jul 10, 2008 at 1:56 AM, Chitlesh GOORAH wrote: > 2008/7/7 Klaatu and Gort : > > Inspiration for theme on the wiki page. But I could also just quote > Michael > > Beckwith's inspiration on his Neon theme: > > "Initial idea. Cross between neon colors and cyberpunk society. Think > Blade > > Runner or Johnny Mnemonic...... " > > > > > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/F10Themes/liberaProgramaro > > > Hai > great work. > > However, I would recommend using colours similar to F8's theme, as : > on some laptops (or while using the battery), the theme will be too > dark. > F9's theme is too dark with certain laptop screens. Let's optimize that for > F10. > > Chitlesh > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list > -- --- use linux. support free software. subscribe to http://www.thebadapples.info/ogg.xml http://www.thebadapples.info/fedorareloaded/ogg.xml -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From markg85 at gmail.com Thu Jul 10 19:22:10 2008 From: markg85 at gmail.com (Mark) Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2008 21:22:10 +0200 Subject: [Echo] preferences-system-firewall sketches In-Reply-To: <1215633828.27713.12.camel@pc-notebook> References: <1215537357.25685.10.camel@pc-notebook> <1215633828.27713.12.camel@pc-notebook> Message-ID: <6e24a8e80807101222h3df92a64l175e3f0d6b1c16c0@mail.gmail.com> 2008/7/9 Martin Sourada : > As promised, here is next batch of sketches of > preferences-system-firewall. I modified the wall to use darker shades of > red and also to have slightly different bricks so they are not all same. > In the first take I also changed the lock to better contrast with the > wall, in the second take I tried using globe together with the wall and > in the third take I used display with the wall (whole computer would > make the icon really crowded). > > I personally still tend towards liking the one with lock the most so if > anyone agrees, I'd rather focus my efforts on further improving that > design (the wall still IMHO needs some improvements, also this design > would require quite a lot of work on smaller sizes as well). > > This time I didn't do the gimp post-processing, per Nicu's, IMHO quite > reasonable, request. If we feel like needing it, we can document it > somewhere... > > Due to size restrictions on the list I attach only PNGs, the rest is at: > > http://mso.fedorapeople.org/echo/Applications/ > > Comments welcome, > Martin They look nice. But how would it look when you cut out the lock item in the wall? Also the red can use a bit of color variations. I would go for orange btw.. From martin.sourada at gmail.com Thu Jul 10 21:10:39 2008 From: martin.sourada at gmail.com (Martin Sourada) Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2008 23:10:39 +0200 Subject: [Echo] preferences-system-firewall sketches In-Reply-To: <64b33fc70807091858l55cee5cbv93de401fc2a033ac@mail.gmail.com> References: <1215537357.25685.10.camel@pc-notebook> <1215633828.27713.12.camel@pc-notebook> <48751F2B.1050904@fedoraproject.org> <64b33fc70807091858l55cee5cbv93de401fc2a033ac@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1215724239.27713.45.camel@pc-notebook> On Wed, 2008-07-09 at 22:58 -0300, Jayme Ayres wrote: > Maybe looks good to use a "burned orange"... > Hm... interesting idea. > 2008/7/9 M?ir?n Duffy : > > > > fwiw I think that red color is way too bright. It hurts my eyes to look at > > it. > > Yeah, I have the same feeling, that was why I was trying to make the red darker, however making it even darker than in the posted sketches didn't seem to work :-/ Maybe orange colour would be indeed better. On Thu, 2008-07-10 at 21:22 +0200, Mark wrote: > They look nice. > But how would it look when you cut out the lock item in the wall? I don't understand what you mean by that. Perhaps something like sculpturing or carving? (please forgive my English here, I am not at all sure about the right words to use there). > Also the red can use a bit of color variations. I would go for orange > btw.. > Yeah, you're the second person actually suggesting that (IIRC), so I gave it a try. And IMHO it really looks better than red and is easier on eyes. See the attachment. 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Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 197 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From duffy at fedoraproject.org Thu Jul 10 21:20:06 2008 From: duffy at fedoraproject.org (=?UTF-8?B?TcOhaXLDrW4gRHVmZnk=?=) Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2008 17:20:06 -0400 Subject: [Echo] preferences-system-firewall sketches In-Reply-To: <1215724239.27713.45.camel@pc-notebook> References: <1215537357.25685.10.camel@pc-notebook> <1215633828.27713.12.camel@pc-notebook> <48751F2B.1050904@fedoraproject.org> <64b33fc70807091858l55cee5cbv93de401fc2a033ac@mail.gmail.com> <1215724239.27713.45.camel@pc-notebook> Message-ID: <48767D06.9060204@fedoraproject.org> Hey Martin, Martin Sourada wrote: > On Wed, 2008-07-09 at 22:58 -0300, Jayme Ayres wrote: >> Maybe looks good to use a "burned orange"... >> > Hm... interesting idea. > >> 2008/7/9 M?ir?n Duffy : >>> fwiw I think that red color is way too bright. It hurts my eyes to look at >>> it. >>> > Yeah, I have the same feeling, that was why I was trying to make the red > darker, however making it even darker than in the posted sketches didn't > seem to work :-/ Maybe orange colour would be indeed better. I have an idea. How about instead of having a gradient from say black to the red, try a transparent dark green => clear alpha gradient on top of the red? I don't know if that works in on-screen artwork but the way you do shadows in painting is to add the complementary color to the main color to darken it rather than just add black. Or, what might result in the same effect, is make the red a gradient from a darker/desaturated red to a brighter more saturated red. If you limit the total area covered by the super bright red the icon might be a little less harsh on the eyes but the splash of bright color will still preserve the echo bright color palette. ~m From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Thu Jul 10 21:41:52 2008 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2008 03:11:52 +0530 Subject: Fedora10 Theme Proposal In-Reply-To: References: <50baabb30807100156l43df5a68i734e515d5ce0e2bb@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <48768220.2040304@fedoraproject.org> Klaatu and Gort wrote: > Chitlesh, > > Thanks! And happily, the background color is highly flexible and easily > changed. But surely you mean "too bright" not too dark? It seems to me > that the backgrounds that I have posted are very light when compared to > F9, or to the evening and late-night colors for F8. What I would like to see is the same background in an actual desktop with the panel, menu, desktop icons etc just for the perspective. Rahul From jedsen at gmail.com Thu Jul 10 23:22:12 2008 From: jedsen at gmail.com (Brian Jedsen) Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2008 16:22:12 -0700 Subject: F10 Theme Proposal: Growth In-Reply-To: <507738ef0805251009o2950140ue98ba93a7e93ca4@mail.gmail.com> References: <507738ef0805251009o2950140ue98ba93a7e93ca4@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20080710162212.0df61d2b@ramen.fakemarktwainquotes.com> On Sun, 25 May 2008 18:09:15 +0100 "Jonathan Roberts" wrote: > Hey all, > > I was at the Eden Project today and saw this wall painting that I > thought might be a nice idea to base an F10 theme around: > > http://jonrob.files.wordpress.com/2008/05/photo-0015.jpg > > F9 was sulphur, and for many that suggests hell. How about in F10 we > go with an image of heaven: Eden :) > > The part of this image I was most interested in was the tree and the > way you can see its roots going down beneath it - I was less > interested in the people in the picture but others might disagree! > > Would love to hear thoughts and feedback :) > > Best, > > Jon I revamped the desktop here: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Image:Growth3_wide_med.jpg From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Fri Jul 11 06:54:46 2008 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2008 09:54:46 +0300 Subject: Fedora10 Theme Proposal In-Reply-To: <48768220.2040304@fedoraproject.org> References: <50baabb30807100156l43df5a68i734e515d5ce0e2bb@mail.gmail.com> <48768220.2040304@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <487703B6.4070209@nicubunu.ro> Rahul Sundaram wrote: > Klaatu and Gort wrote: >> >> Thanks! And happily, the background color is highly flexible and >> easily changed. But surely you mean "too bright" not too dark? It >> seems to me that the backgrounds that I have posted are very light >> when compared to F9, or to the evening and late-night colors for F8. > > What I would like to see is the same background in an actual desktop > with the panel, menu, desktop icons etc just for the perspective. Uh... right click, save as, change the background, look at it a couple of seconds and return to your previous one? -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Fri Jul 11 07:08:20 2008 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2008 10:08:20 +0300 Subject: Fedora10 Theme Proposal In-Reply-To: References: <50baabb30807100156l43df5a68i734e515d5ce0e2bb@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <487706E4.2020108@nicubunu.ro> Klaatu and Gort wrote: > Chitlesh, > > Thanks! And happily, the background color is highly flexible and easily > changed. But surely you mean "too bright" not too dark? It seems to me > that the backgrounds that I have posted are very light when compared to > F9, or to the evening and late-night colors for F8. I believe this is all about *saturation*. Your image has low saturation (which is not inherently a bad thing), and some displays (that are not glossy - no TrueLife, no Clear Bright, no Color Shine) it may seem dark. > The morning shade of blue for F8 was fairly light, perhaps that would be > a good shade for my liberaProgramaro. When I get back home to a F8 > system maybe I'll give that a shot and post the results. > > On Thu, Jul 10, 2008 at 1:56 AM, Chitlesh GOORAH wrote: > great work. > > However, I would recommend using colours similar to F8's theme, as : > on some laptops (or while using the battery), the theme will be too > dark. > F9's theme is too dark with certain laptop screens. Let's optimize > that for F10. -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From gort.klaatu at gmail.com Fri Jul 11 07:13:50 2008 From: gort.klaatu at gmail.com (Klaatu and Gort) Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2008 00:13:50 -0700 Subject: Fedora10 Theme Proposal In-Reply-To: <487703B6.4070209@nicubunu.ro> References: <50baabb30807100156l43df5a68i734e515d5ce0e2bb@mail.gmail.com> <48768220.2040304@fedoraproject.org> <487703B6.4070209@nicubunu.ro> Message-ID: screenshots with an actual desktop setup for Rahul and anyone else: http://www.thebadapples.info/fedorareloaded/screenshots/KDE_1.png http://www.thebadapples.info/fedorareloaded/screenshots/KDE_2.png http://www.thebadapples.info/fedorareloaded/screenshots/KDE_3.png http://www.thebadapples.info/fedorareloaded/screenshots/GNOME_1.png http://www.thebadapples.info/fedorareloaded/screenshots/GNOME_2.png http://www.thebadapples.info/fedorareloaded/screenshots/GNOME_3.png -klaatu On Thu, Jul 10, 2008 at 11:54 PM, Nicu Buculei wrote: > Rahul Sundaram wrote: > >> Klaatu and Gort wrote: >> >>> >>> Thanks! And happily, the background color is highly flexible and easily >>> changed. But surely you mean "too bright" not too dark? It seems to me >>> that the backgrounds that I have posted are very light when compared to F9, >>> or to the evening and late-night colors for F8. >>> >> >> What I would like to see is the same background in an actual desktop with >> the panel, menu, desktop icons etc just for the perspective. >> > > Uh... right click, save as, change the background, look at it a couple of > seconds and return to your previous one? > > -- > nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com > Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ > Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org > my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro > > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list > -- --- use linux. support free software. subscribe to http://www.thebadapples.info/ogg.xml http://www.thebadapples.info/fedorareloaded/ogg.xml -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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IMO, they do more wrong than good, practically dive the image. -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From hellcomdev at gmail.com Fri Jul 11 11:57:40 2008 From: hellcomdev at gmail.com (RazGriz) Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2008 08:57:40 -0300 Subject: F10 Theme Proposal: Simmetrical Freedom Message-ID: <1f0d49220807110457k436621a3mce6289e0b9da8f00@mail.gmail.com> Hi, this is my theme propose for F10 =], the theme name is "Simmetrical Freedom" and the base concept is the perfection behind simmetry. https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Image:Simmetricalfreedom.png https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Image:Simmetricalfreedompaper.jpg thanks a lot =]. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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And happily, the background color is highly flexible and easily >>>> changed. But surely you mean "too bright" not too dark? It seems to me >>>> that the backgrounds that I have posted are very light when compared to F9, >>>> or to the evening and late-night colors for F8. >>>> >>> >>> What I would like to see is the same background in an actual desktop with >>> the panel, menu, desktop icons etc just for the perspective. >>> >> >> Uh... right click, save as, change the background, look at it a couple of >> seconds and return to your previous one? >> >> -- >> nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com >> Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ >> Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org >> my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Fedora-art-list mailing list >> Fedora-art-list at redhat.com >> http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list >> > > > > -- > --- > use linux. support free software. > subscribe to http://www.thebadapples.info/ogg.xml > http://www.thebadapples.info/fedorareloaded/ogg.xml > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list > > -- tatica Maria Gracia Leandro http://www.tatica.org http://www.iseit.net http://www.latinux.org http://www.latinux.com http://www.fedora-ve.org http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/MariaLeandro LinuxUser= 440285 GPG Public Key: E1CDCC56 "Be yourself... 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It >>> seems to me that the backgrounds that I have posted are very light >>> when compared to F9, or to the evening and late-night colors for F8. >> >> What I would like to see is the same background in an actual desktop >> with the panel, menu, desktop icons etc just for the perspective. > > Uh... right click, save as, change the background, look at it a couple > of seconds and return to your previous one? Of course but I was talking about publishing screenshots for more than myself from the folks proposing themes. Rahul From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Fri Jul 11 12:45:15 2008 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2008 15:45:15 +0300 Subject: F10 Theme Proposal: Simmetrical Freedom In-Reply-To: <1f0d49220807110457k436621a3mce6289e0b9da8f00@mail.gmail.com> References: <1f0d49220807110457k436621a3mce6289e0b9da8f00@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <487755DB.4050309@nicubunu.ro> RazGriz wrote: > Hi, > > this is my theme propose for F10 =], the theme name is "Simmetrical > Freedom" and the base concept is the perfection behind simmetry. > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Image:Simmetricalfreedom.png > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Image:Simmetricalfreedompaper.jpg Please create a page for the theme, for example http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/F10Themes/Simmetricalfreedom and include those two pictures into it. Also it would be good to write on that page a few words explaining the concept ("perfection behind simmetry"). After that, include a link to that page to the link of submissions: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/F10Themes#List_of_Submissions Regarding the content, we try to discourage the inclusion of the Fedora logo in the wallpaper (I believe your second image is a wallpaper). The branding is realized mostly using colors. Out of personal curiosity: how do you made those images? Are they created with a graphic application? Which one? Generated with a script? (for example the Binary theme proposal is generated with a script) -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Fri Jul 11 12:49:46 2008 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2008 15:49:46 +0300 Subject: Fedora10 Theme Proposal In-Reply-To: <4877551C.3090500@fedoraproject.org> References: <50baabb30807100156l43df5a68i734e515d5ce0e2bb@mail.gmail.com> <48768220.2040304@fedoraproject.org> <487703B6.4070209@nicubunu.ro> <4877551C.3090500@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <487756EA.7070005@nicubunu.ro> Rahul Sundaram wrote: > Nicu Buculei wrote: >> Rahul Sundaram wrote: >>> What I would like to see is the same background in an actual desktop >>> with the panel, menu, desktop icons etc just for the perspective. >> >> Uh... right click, save as, change the background, look at it a couple >> of seconds and return to your previous one? > > Of course but I was talking about publishing screenshots for more than > myself from the folks proposing themes. The images are not intended only as desktop wallpapers, they should also work for various splashes and banners, so to judge a sketch (in Round 1 they are all sketches) you have to make an effort and mentally visualize how the image can work in various roles. -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From hellcomdev at gmail.com Fri Jul 11 12:51:42 2008 From: hellcomdev at gmail.com (RazGriz) Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2008 09:51:42 -0300 Subject: F10 Theme Proposal: Simmetrical Freedom In-Reply-To: <487755DB.4050309@nicubunu.ro> References: <1f0d49220807110457k436621a3mce6289e0b9da8f00@mail.gmail.com> <487755DB.4050309@nicubunu.ro> Message-ID: <1f0d49220807110551m4805cd60n38922eafce3f0c85@mail.gmail.com> Hi, sorry about that *(i forgot =/) and i made it only with gimp, i wrote a doc about it too =] *( http://razgrizbox.wordpress.com/2008/07/11/line-breakers/ the license is gnu-fdl =].) On Fri, Jul 11, 2008 at 9:45 AM, Nicu Buculei wrote: > RazGriz wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> this is my theme propose for F10 =], the theme name is "Simmetrical >> Freedom" and the base concept is the perfection behind simmetry. >> >> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Image:Simmetricalfreedom.png >> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Image:Simmetricalfreedompaper.jpg >> > > Please create a page for the theme, for example > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/F10Themes/Simmetricalfreedom and > include those two pictures into it. Also it would be good to write on that > page a few words explaining the concept ("perfection behind simmetry"). > > After that, include a link to that page to the link of submissions: > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/F10Themes#List_of_Submissions > > Regarding the content, we try to discourage the inclusion of the Fedora > logo in the wallpaper (I believe your second image is a wallpaper). The > branding is realized mostly using colors. > > Out of personal curiosity: how do you made those images? Are they created > with a graphic application? Which one? Generated with a script? (for example > the Binary theme proposal is generated with a script) > > -- > nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com > Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ > Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org > my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list > -- RazGriz The Solo_-Wing. Diretor de Arte GNU-LIA--=www.gnu-lia.org 2 Tons Comunica??o Revista Fedora Brasil Portal O-Gimp -=-=:Quem constr?i a realidade ? voc?. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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That is a nice tutorial and I can understand it even without speaking the language! -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From hellcomdev at gmail.com Fri Jul 11 13:06:43 2008 From: hellcomdev at gmail.com (RazGriz) Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2008 10:06:43 -0300 Subject: F10 Theme Proposal: Simmetrical Freedom In-Reply-To: <48775A70.5060008@nicubunu.ro> References: <1f0d49220807110457k436621a3mce6289e0b9da8f00@mail.gmail.com> <487755DB.4050309@nicubunu.ro> <1f0d49220807110551m4805cd60n38922eafce3f0c85@mail.gmail.com> <48775A70.5060008@nicubunu.ro> Message-ID: <1f0d49220807110606m354e423du21ffd8099da2010d@mail.gmail.com> Thanks a lot =]. On Fri, Jul 11, 2008 at 10:04 AM, Nicu Buculei wrote: > RazGriz wrote: > >> >> and i made it only with gimp, i wrote a doc about it too =] *( >> http://razgrizbox.wordpress.com/2008/07/11/line-breakers/ the license is >> gnu-fdl =].) >> > > That is a nice tutorial and I can understand it even without speaking the > language! > > > -- > nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com > Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ > Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org > my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list > -- RazGriz The Solo_-Wing. Diretor de Arte GNU-LIA--=www.gnu-lia.org 2 Tons Comunica??o Revista Fedora Brasil Portal O-Gimp -=-=:Quem constr?i a realidade ? voc?. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I'll do this tonight when I get home.. - klaatu 2008/7/11 Mar?a Leandro : > Hi all, > > I was playing arround with this wallpaper, and this came up. > > http://tatica.org/data/banners/LiberaProgramaroTOWER2.png > > > > 2008/7/12 Klaatu and Gort : > > screenshots with an actual desktop setup for Rahul and anyone else: >> >> http://www.thebadapples.info/fedorareloaded/screenshots/KDE_1.png >> http://www.thebadapples.info/fedorareloaded/screenshots/KDE_2.png >> http://www.thebadapples.info/fedorareloaded/screenshots/KDE_3.png >> http://www.thebadapples.info/fedorareloaded/screenshots/GNOME_1.png >> http://www.thebadapples.info/fedorareloaded/screenshots/GNOME_2.png >> http://www.thebadapples.info/fedorareloaded/screenshots/GNOME_3.png >> >> -klaatu >> >> >> On Thu, Jul 10, 2008 at 11:54 PM, Nicu Buculei >> wrote: >> >>> Rahul Sundaram wrote: >>> >>>> Klaatu and Gort wrote: >>>> >>>>> >>>>> Thanks! And happily, the background color is highly flexible and >>>>> easily changed. But surely you mean "too bright" not too dark? It seems to >>>>> me that the backgrounds that I have posted are very light when compared to >>>>> F9, or to the evening and late-night colors for F8. >>>>> >>>> >>>> What I would like to see is the same background in an actual desktop >>>> with the panel, menu, desktop icons etc just for the perspective. >>>> >>> >>> Uh... right click, save as, change the background, look at it a couple of >>> seconds and return to your previous one? >>> >>> -- >>> nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com >>> Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ >>> Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org >>> my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Fedora-art-list mailing list >>> Fedora-art-list at redhat.com >>> http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> --- >> use linux. support free software. >> subscribe to http://www.thebadapples.info/ogg.xml >> http://www.thebadapples.info/fedorareloaded/ogg.xml >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Fedora-art-list mailing list >> Fedora-art-list at redhat.com >> http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list >> >> > > > -- > tatica > Maria Gracia Leandro > http://www.tatica.org > http://www.iseit.net > http://www.latinux.org > http://www.latinux.com > http://www.fedora-ve.org > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/MariaLeandro > LinuxUser= 440285 > GPG Public Key: E1CDCC56 > "Be yourself... Don't be anyone else" > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list > > -- --- use linux. support free software. subscribe to http://www.thebadapples.info/ogg.xml http://www.thebadapples.info/fedorareloaded/ogg.xml -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tatadbb at gmail.com Fri Jul 11 17:09:11 2008 From: tatadbb at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Mar=EDa_Leandro?=) Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2008 12:39:11 +1930 Subject: Fedora10 Theme Proposal In-Reply-To: References: <50baabb30807100156l43df5a68i734e515d5ce0e2bb@mail.gmail.com> <48768220.2040304@fedoraproject.org> <487703B6.4070209@nicubunu.ro> <27a6293b0807110531q1854d3c6qcbd33ace2add46a8@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <27a6293b0807111009p7be57b49x925040c8b8642313@mail.gmail.com> hahahah don't worry... Inkscape is the best to convert into a vector file a dark image (I've already make the svg for that file ;D ) 2008/7/12 Klaatu and Gort : > Neat, Maria, the dark colours are actually quite nice. Sorry -- I guess I > should have had the foresight to post the svg source files on the proposal > page. I'll do this tonight when I get home.. > - klaatu > > 2008/7/11 Mar?a Leandro : > > Hi all, >> >> I was playing arround with this wallpaper, and this came up. >> >> http://tatica.org/data/banners/LiberaProgramaroTOWER2.png >> >> >> >> 2008/7/12 Klaatu and Gort : >> >> screenshots with an actual desktop setup for Rahul and anyone else: >>> >>> http://www.thebadapples.info/fedorareloaded/screenshots/KDE_1.png >>> http://www.thebadapples.info/fedorareloaded/screenshots/KDE_2.png >>> http://www.thebadapples.info/fedorareloaded/screenshots/KDE_3.png >>> http://www.thebadapples.info/fedorareloaded/screenshots/GNOME_1.png >>> http://www.thebadapples.info/fedorareloaded/screenshots/GNOME_2.png >>> http://www.thebadapples.info/fedorareloaded/screenshots/GNOME_3.png >>> >>> -klaatu >>> >>> >>> On Thu, Jul 10, 2008 at 11:54 PM, Nicu Buculei >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Rahul Sundaram wrote: >>>> >>>>> Klaatu and Gort wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Thanks! And happily, the background color is highly flexible and >>>>>> easily changed. But surely you mean "too bright" not too dark? It seems to >>>>>> me that the backgrounds that I have posted are very light when compared to >>>>>> F9, or to the evening and late-night colors for F8. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> What I would like to see is the same background in an actual desktop >>>>> with the panel, menu, desktop icons etc just for the perspective. >>>>> >>>> >>>> Uh... right click, save as, change the background, look at it a couple >>>> of seconds and return to your previous one? >>>> >>>> -- >>>> nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com >>>> Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ >>>> Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org >>>> my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Fedora-art-list mailing list >>>> Fedora-art-list at redhat.com >>>> http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> --- >>> use linux. support free software. >>> subscribe to http://www.thebadapples.info/ogg.xml >>> http://www.thebadapples.info/fedorareloaded/ogg.xml >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Fedora-art-list mailing list >>> Fedora-art-list at redhat.com >>> http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> tatica >> Maria Gracia Leandro >> http://www.tatica.org >> http://www.iseit.net >> http://www.latinux.org >> http://www.latinux.com >> http://www.fedora-ve.org >> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/MariaLeandro >> LinuxUser= 440285 >> GPG Public Key: E1CDCC56 >> "Be yourself... Don't be anyone else" >> _______________________________________________ >> Fedora-art-list mailing list >> Fedora-art-list at redhat.com >> http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list >> >> > > > -- > --- > use linux. support free software. > subscribe to http://www.thebadapples.info/ogg.xml > http://www.thebadapples.info/fedorareloaded/ogg.xml > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list > > -- tatica Maria Gracia Leandro http://www.tatica.org http://www.iseit.net http://www.latinux.org http://www.latinux.com http://www.fedora-ve.org http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/MariaLeandro LinuxUser= 440285 GPG Public Key: E1CDCC56 "Be yourself... Don't be anyone else" -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mlanglie at redhat.com Fri Jul 11 22:13:35 2008 From: mlanglie at redhat.com (Mike Langlie) Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2008 18:13:35 -0400 Subject: F10 theme: Spectrum In-Reply-To: <743398816.31591213699459080.JavaMail.root@mail.byte-code.com> References: <743398816.31591213699459080.JavaMail.root@mail.byte-code.com> Message-ID: <4877DB0F.1040908@redhat.com> Here's an idea. Forgive my poor wiki formatting. https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/F10Themes/spectrum Mike From inode0 at gmail.com Fri Jul 11 22:19:34 2008 From: inode0 at gmail.com (inode0) Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2008 17:19:34 -0500 Subject: F10 theme: Spectrum In-Reply-To: <4877DB0F.1040908@redhat.com> References: <743398816.31591213699459080.JavaMail.root@mail.byte-code.com> <4877DB0F.1040908@redhat.com> Message-ID: On Fri, Jul 11, 2008 at 5:13 PM, Mike Langlie wrote: > Here's an idea. Forgive my poor wiki formatting. > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/F10Themes/spectrum Mike, I love the beginning of your theme. In fact, I think all the suggested themes this round are very exciting. It is going to be a really hard decision for F10! John From martin.sourada at gmail.com Fri Jul 11 22:19:56 2008 From: martin.sourada at gmail.com (Martin Sourada) Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2008 00:19:56 +0200 Subject: [Echo] New guide - Adding new icons In-Reply-To: <4875ABF1.3030408@nicubunu.ro> References: <1215470524.3206.133.camel@pc-notebook> <1215641683.27713.16.camel@pc-notebook> <4875ABF1.3030408@nicubunu.ro> Message-ID: <1215814796.27713.61.camel@pc-notebook> On Thu, 2008-07-10 at 09:28 +0300, Nicu Buculei wrote: > Martin Sourada wrote: > > I thought a screencast or set of screenshots might be useful, however > > I've never done a screencast (and don't know where to host videos with > > sufficient quality) :-D I'll see how it can be improved with screenshots > > (I'll make them during my next commit, if I don't forget). > > You can host the original OGG files on fedorapeople.org (and if you are > happy with them, publish with FedoraTV - > https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-marketing-list/2008-July/msg00041.html > Thanks for the tip :) I just started exploring the area and it seems there are not many choices :/ In such screencast it would be vital that the text would be readable and the oggs produced by instanbul does not seem to be very good at that (i.e. I can read the text, but it requires a lot effort to "decipher" it). Byzanz seem to record only to gifs, so I didn't even bothered with installing it. The best app so far proved to be xvidcap which however records to MP4 (I believe it's the older one, not the newer and better h264 format) with MP3 audio in MPEG container. If I had a choice, I would use x264 codec for video, vorbis for audio and matroska for file format, but even though x264 is open source, the h264 format is patented (darn those patents, this really blocks full-blown usage of this really good video compression format), also there isn't a tool that would output to it (though theoretically since xvidcap uses ffmpeg to compress the video, it should be able to output to other codecs as well...). So I ask, if anyone knows the answer, or link that explain this. What can be used for fedoratv? I can recompress the mpegs to theora+vorbis later in the process, though I am not sure what the results would be. Is there a way to tell istanbul to record with higher quality, or is the low quality result of the theora video compression format limitations? Or is there a desktop (or X11 screen) capturer that can output to uncompressed video, or has more choices for the output formats? Thanks, Martin -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 197 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From martin.sourada at gmail.com Fri Jul 11 22:28:53 2008 From: martin.sourada at gmail.com (Martin Sourada) Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2008 00:28:53 +0200 Subject: F10 theme: Spectrum In-Reply-To: <4877DB0F.1040908@redhat.com> References: <743398816.31591213699459080.JavaMail.root@mail.byte-code.com> <4877DB0F.1040908@redhat.com> Message-ID: <1215815333.27713.68.camel@pc-notebook> On Fri, 2008-07-11 at 18:13 -0400, Mike Langlie wrote: > Here's an idea. Forgive my poor wiki formatting. > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/F10Themes/spectrum > > Mike > This idea is really good! So far, for me, this seems to be the best concept for the F10 themes (though this time there are a lot of interesting concepts already, the "battle" will be really tough this time :-D). The Fedora logo is a no-no for the final wallpaper, though it can be present in the supporting graphics (anaconda, firstboot...) so I'd like to see one without the logo as well ;-) As for the wiki - it could have more than just the images. Like some thoughts behind the idea and such. About the formatting - perhaps someone with better knowledge of MediaWiki might help (I am a total beginner in this area as well, MoinMoin seemed more friendly to me :-D)? Martin -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Enjoy. -- Ian Weller http://ianweller.org GnuPG fingerprint: E51E 0517 7A92 70A2 4226 B050 87ED 7C97 EFA8 4A36 "Technology is a word that describes something that doesn't work yet." ~ Douglas Adams From ianweller at gmail.com Fri Jul 11 22:40:06 2008 From: ianweller at gmail.com (Ian Weller) Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2008 17:40:06 -0500 (CDT) Subject: F10 theme: Spectrum In-Reply-To: <4877DB0F.1040908@redhat.com> References: <743398816.31591213699459080.JavaMail.root@mail.byte-code.com> <4877DB0F.1040908@redhat.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 11 Jul 2008, Mike Langlie wrote: > Here's an idea. Forgive my poor wiki formatting. > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/F10Themes/spectrum > This is very nice! I would love having this on my desktop for Fedora 10 :D I'd recommend putting up PNGs and source files, however (preferrably XCF or SVG). -- Ian Weller http://ianweller.org GnuPG fingerprint: E51E 0517 7A92 70A2 4226 B050 87ED 7C97 EFA8 4A36 "Technology is a word that describes something that doesn't work yet." ~ Douglas Adams From ianweller at gmail.com Fri Jul 11 23:18:54 2008 From: ianweller at gmail.com (Ian Weller) Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2008 18:18:54 -0500 (CDT) Subject: A push for sources Message-ID: Earlier, I was browsing through the pages for the Fedora 10 theme proposals. Excellent work so far, guys! except... Nearly every theme proposal doesn't have source SVGs or XCFs or whatever for their theme. Let me reiterate that. +---------------------------------------+ | | | THERE ARE BARELY ANY SOURCES! | | | +---------------------------------------+ I'm not taking this lightly, as you may be able to tell... One of the major things about openly licensed artwork is that sources are necessary so that people can wrangle your art into something else, just like the availability of source code in a program allows for modification and redistribution. Most of us understand that... I think. In addition to sources, any instructions on producing something like what you produced is also necessary. Like code without documentation, it's extremely annoying to see this awesome work of art without any knowledge of how it was done. In addition, I highly doubt that a theme will make the final cut if there aren't any sources for people to grok. ;) Listed below are the proposals and proposers (FAS account names) who have not provided sources for their work: +--------------------+--------------------------+ | Proposal | Proposers | +--------------------+--------------------------+ | bluefire | mola | | Neon | duffy, tw2113, ianweller | | WingAnatomy | qaranthir | | Eden | jonrob | | InvinXble | sstorari | | Solar | sstorari | | liberaProgramaro | klaatu | | simmetricalfreedom | razgrizbr | +--------------------+--------------------------+ Yes, I realize one of the problem proposals has my name on it. I'm on it, don't worry ;) We prefer SVG the most, followed by XCF (GIMP). Any other sources for different open source programs are also acceptable; let us know what programs those are. Thanks for your cooperation :) -- Ian Weller http://ianweller.org GnuPG fingerprint: E51E 0517 7A92 70A2 4226 B050 87ED 7C97 EFA8 4A36 "Technology is a word that describes something that doesn't work yet." ~ Douglas Adams From markg85 at gmail.com Fri Jul 11 23:33:15 2008 From: markg85 at gmail.com (Mark) Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2008 01:33:15 +0200 Subject: [Echo] preferences-system-firewall sketches In-Reply-To: <1215724239.27713.45.camel@pc-notebook> References: <1215537357.25685.10.camel@pc-notebook> <1215633828.27713.12.camel@pc-notebook> <48751F2B.1050904@fedoraproject.org> <64b33fc70807091858l55cee5cbv93de401fc2a033ac@mail.gmail.com> <1215724239.27713.45.camel@pc-notebook> Message-ID: <6e24a8e80807111633i2c701a96me4ac45686d5f15d8@mail.gmail.com> 2008/7/10 Martin Sourada : > On Wed, 2008-07-09 at 22:58 -0300, Jayme Ayres wrote: >> Maybe looks good to use a "burned orange"... >> > Hm... interesting idea. > >> 2008/7/9 M?ir?n Duffy : >> > >> > fwiw I think that red color is way too bright. It hurts my eyes to look at >> > it. >> > > Yeah, I have the same feeling, that was why I was trying to make the red > darker, however making it even darker than in the posted sketches didn't > seem to work :-/ Maybe orange colour would be indeed better. > > On Thu, 2008-07-10 at 21:22 +0200, Mark wrote: >> They look nice. >> But how would it look when you cut out the lock item in the wall? > I don't understand what you mean by that. Perhaps something like > sculpturing or carving? (please forgive my English here, I am not at all > sure about the right words to use there). > >> Also the red can use a bit of color variations. I would go for orange >> btw.. >> > Yeah, you're the second person actually suggesting that (IIRC), so I > gave it a try. And IMHO it really looks better than red and is easier on > eyes. See the attachment. > > Martin > > PS: the orange wall is the first one I don't have a feeling that > something is not right with it when I look at it :-D Yeah i meant carving it out. And for the english.. i am not at all sure about those ones as well. About your new icon. That looks a lot better then everything else in this thread. Good job so far. From ddarylperry at gmail.com Sat Jul 12 00:22:25 2008 From: ddarylperry at gmail.com (Master M.A.G.E) Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2008 20:22:25 -0400 Subject: Fedora-art-list Digest, Vol 28, Issue 35 In-Reply-To: <20080711223045.AE28761A4B8@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20080711223045.AE28761A4B8@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <5093a5110807111722v5dc98ea2v63d503a2a48f2a66@mail.gmail.com> I would like to see a theme similar to Fluxbox something transparent, future like that is dark and light at the same time. it would all so be nice to be able to change the background of an open window On Fri, Jul 11, 2008 at 6:30 PM, wrote: > Send Fedora-art-list mailing list submissions to > fedora-art-list at redhat.com > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > fedora-art-list-request at redhat.com > > You can reach the person managing the list at > fedora-art-list-owner at redhat.com > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Fedora-art-list digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Fedora10 Theme Proposal ( Mar?a Leandro ) > 2. F10 theme: Spectrum (Mike Langlie) > 3. Re: F10 theme: Spectrum (inode0) > 4. Re: [Echo] New guide - Adding new icons (Martin Sourada) > 5. Re: F10 theme: Spectrum (Martin Sourada) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2008 12:39:11 +1930 > From: " Mar?a Leandro " > Subject: Re: Fedora10 Theme Proposal > To: "Discussions about the artwork included with Fedora, including > icons, themes, and wallpapers." > Message-ID: > <27a6293b0807111009p7be57b49x925040c8b8642313 at mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > hahahah don't worry... Inkscape is the best to convert into a vector file a > dark image (I've already make the svg for that file ;D ) > > > > 2008/7/12 Klaatu and Gort : > > > Neat, Maria, the dark colours are actually quite nice. Sorry -- I guess > I > > should have had the foresight to post the svg source files on the > proposal > > page. I'll do this tonight when I get home.. > > - klaatu > > > > 2008/7/11 Mar?a Leandro : > > > > Hi all, > >> > >> I was playing arround with this wallpaper, and this came up. > >> > >> http://tatica.org/data/banners/LiberaProgramaroTOWER2.png > >> > >> > >> > >> 2008/7/12 Klaatu and Gort : > >> > >> screenshots with an actual desktop setup for Rahul and anyone else: > >>> > >>> http://www.thebadapples.info/fedorareloaded/screenshots/KDE_1.png > >>> http://www.thebadapples.info/fedorareloaded/screenshots/KDE_2.png > >>> http://www.thebadapples.info/fedorareloaded/screenshots/KDE_3.png > >>> http://www.thebadapples.info/fedorareloaded/screenshots/GNOME_1.png > >>> http://www.thebadapples.info/fedorareloaded/screenshots/GNOME_2.png > >>> http://www.thebadapples.info/fedorareloaded/screenshots/GNOME_3.png > >>> > >>> -klaatu > >>> > >>> > >>> On Thu, Jul 10, 2008 at 11:54 PM, Nicu Buculei < > nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro> > >>> wrote: > >>> > >>>> Rahul Sundaram wrote: > >>>> > >>>>> Klaatu and Gort wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Thanks! And happily, the background color is highly flexible and > >>>>>> easily changed. But surely you mean "too bright" not too dark? It > seems to > >>>>>> me that the backgrounds that I have posted are very light when > compared to > >>>>>> F9, or to the evening and late-night colors for F8. > >>>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> What I would like to see is the same background in an actual desktop > >>>>> with the panel, menu, desktop icons etc just for the perspective. > >>>>> > >>>> > >>>> Uh... right click, save as, change the background, look at it a couple > >>>> of seconds and return to your previous one? > >>>> > >>>> -- > >>>> nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com > >>>> Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ > >>>> Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org > >>>> my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>> Fedora-art-list mailing list > >>>> Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > >>>> http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list > >>>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> -- > >>> --- > >>> use linux. support free software. > >>> subscribe to http://www.thebadapples.info/ogg.xml > >>> http://www.thebadapples.info/fedorareloaded/ogg.xml > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> Fedora-art-list mailing list > >>> Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > >>> http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list > >>> > >>> > >> > >> > >> -- > >> tatica > >> Maria Gracia Leandro > >> http://www.tatica.org > >> http://www.iseit.net > >> http://www.latinux.org > >> http://www.latinux.com > >> http://www.fedora-ve.org > >> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/MariaLeandro > >> LinuxUser= 440285 > >> GPG Public Key: E1CDCC56 > >> "Be yourself... Don't be anyone else" > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Fedora-art-list mailing list > >> Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > >> http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list > >> > >> > > > > > > -- > > --- > > use linux. support free software. > > subscribe to http://www.thebadapples.info/ogg.xml > > http://www.thebadapples.info/fedorareloaded/ogg.xml > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Fedora-art-list mailing list > > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list > > > > > > > -- > tatica > Maria Gracia Leandro > http://www.tatica.org > http://www.iseit.net > http://www.latinux.org > http://www.latinux.com > http://www.fedora-ve.org > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/MariaLeandro > LinuxUser= 440285 > GPG Public Key: E1CDCC56 > "Be yourself... Don't be anyone else" > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-art-list/attachments/20080712/c45ae8b2/attachment.html > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2008 18:13:35 -0400 > From: Mike Langlie > Subject: F10 theme: Spectrum > To: fedora-art-list at redhat.com > Message-ID: <4877DB0F.1040908 at redhat.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed > > Here's an idea. Forgive my poor wiki formatting. > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/F10Themes/spectrum > > Mike > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2008 17:19:34 -0500 > From: inode0 > Subject: Re: F10 theme: Spectrum > To: "Discussions about the artwork included with Fedora, including > icons, themes, and wallpapers." > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > On Fri, Jul 11, 2008 at 5:13 PM, Mike Langlie wrote: > > Here's an idea. Forgive my poor wiki formatting. > > > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/F10Themes/spectrum > > Mike, I love the beginning of your theme. In fact, I think all the > suggested themes this round are very exciting. It is going to be a > really hard decision for F10! > > John > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2008 00:19:56 +0200 > From: Martin Sourada > Subject: Re: [Echo] New guide - Adding new icons > To: Discussions about the artwork "included with Fedora, including > icons, themes, and wallpapers." > Message-ID: <1215814796.27713.61.camel at pc-notebook> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > On Thu, 2008-07-10 at 09:28 +0300, Nicu Buculei wrote: > > Martin Sourada wrote: > > > I thought a screencast or set of screenshots might be useful, however > > > I've never done a screencast (and don't know where to host videos with > > > sufficient quality) :-D I'll see how it can be improved with > screenshots > > > (I'll make them during my next commit, if I don't forget). > > > > You can host the original OGG files on fedorapeople.org (and if you are > > happy with them, publish with FedoraTV - > > > https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-marketing-list/2008-July/msg00041.html > > > > Thanks for the tip :) I just started exploring the area and it seems > there are not many choices :/ In such screencast it would be vital that > the text would be readable and the oggs produced by instanbul does not > seem to be very good at that (i.e. I can read the text, but it requires > a lot effort to "decipher" it). Byzanz seem to record only to gifs, so I > didn't even bothered with installing it. The best app so far proved to > be xvidcap which however records to MP4 (I believe it's the older one, > not the newer and better h264 format) with MP3 audio in MPEG container. > > If I had a choice, I would use x264 codec for video, vorbis for audio > and matroska for file format, but even though x264 is open source, the > h264 format is patented (darn those patents, this really blocks > full-blown usage of this really good video compression format), also > there isn't a tool that would output to it (though theoretically since > xvidcap uses ffmpeg to compress the video, it should be able to output > to other codecs as well...). > > So I ask, if anyone knows the answer, or link that explain this. What > can be used for fedoratv? I can recompress the mpegs to theora+vorbis > later in the process, though I am not sure what the results would be. Is > there a way to tell istanbul to record with higher quality, or is the > low quality result of the theora video compression format limitations? > Or is there a desktop (or X11 screen) capturer that can output to > uncompressed video, or has more choices for the output formats? > > Thanks, > Martin > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: not available > Type: application/pgp-signature > Size: 197 bytes > Desc: This is a digitally signed message part > Url : > https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-art-list/attachments/20080712/a2300807/attachment.bin > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2008 00:28:53 +0200 > From: Martin Sourada > Subject: Re: F10 theme: Spectrum > To: Discussions about the artwork "included with Fedora, including > icons, themes, and wallpapers." > Message-ID: <1215815333.27713.68.camel at pc-notebook> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > On Fri, 2008-07-11 at 18:13 -0400, Mike Langlie wrote: > > Here's an idea. Forgive my poor wiki formatting. > > > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/F10Themes/spectrum > > > > Mike > > > This idea is really good! So far, for me, this seems to be the best > concept for the F10 themes (though this time there are a lot of > interesting concepts already, the "battle" will be really tough this > time :-D). The Fedora logo is a no-no for the final wallpaper, though it > can be present in the supporting graphics (anaconda, firstboot...) so > I'd like to see one without the logo as well ;-) > > As for the wiki - it could have more than just the images. Like some > thoughts behind the idea and such. 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URL: From duffy at fedoraproject.org Sat Jul 12 01:42:23 2008 From: duffy at fedoraproject.org (=?UTF-8?B?TcOhaXLDrW4gRHVmZnk=?=) Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2008 21:42:23 -0400 Subject: F10 theme: Spectrum In-Reply-To: <4877DB0F.1040908@redhat.com> References: <743398816.31591213699459080.JavaMail.root@mail.byte-code.com> <4877DB0F.1040908@redhat.com> Message-ID: <48780BFF.6050100@fedoraproject.org> Hi Mike! Mike Langlie wrote: > Here's an idea. Forgive my poor wiki formatting. > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/F10Themes/spectrum These look great! Can you make the sources available so others can play around with it? Thanks, ~m From mlanglie at redhat.com Sat Jul 12 03:11:42 2008 From: mlanglie at redhat.com (Mike Langlie) Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2008 23:11:42 -0400 Subject: F10 theme: Spectrum In-Reply-To: References: <743398816.31591213699459080.JavaMail.root@mail.byte-code.com> <4877DB0F.1040908@redhat.com> <1215815333.27713.68.camel@pc-notebook> Message-ID: <487820EE.5000403@redhat.com> Thanks for the feedback and wiki help. I want to do a second version and hopefully get closer to what I have in mind. I'm having no luck uploading a layered GIMP file from home, very spotty net connection for some reason. I'll do it Monday at the latest. Mike - - - - - Ian Weller wrote: > On Sat, 12 Jul 2008, Martin Sourada wrote: >> As for the wiki - it could have more than just the images. Like some >> thoughts behind the idea and such. About the formatting - perhaps >> someone with better knowledge of MediaWiki might help (I am a total >> beginner in this area as well, MoinMoin seemed more friendly to me :-D)? > I just switched it to use the tag. Enjoy. M?ir?n Duffy wrote: > These look great! > Can you make the sources available so others can play around with it? From dan.fedora at gmail.com Sat Jul 12 10:18:35 2008 From: dan.fedora at gmail.com (Daniel Sabin) Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2008 19:18:35 +0900 Subject: Self Introduction Message-ID: Hey everyone, I'm currently a student at Rose-Hulman Institute of Technology in Terre Haute, IN starting my junior year. I'm really interested in developing some skills in computer graphics and i figured that this would be a helpful community to join that also has some really intresting projects to boot. I'm really new to this (all the art i've done is on paper), but computer graphics seems like an intresting medium to work in. 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URL: From gort.klaatu at gmail.com Sat Jul 12 23:44:13 2008 From: gort.klaatu at gmail.com (Klaatu and Gort) Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2008 16:44:13 -0700 Subject: Fedora10 Theme Proposal In-Reply-To: <27a6293b0807111009p7be57b49x925040c8b8642313@mail.gmail.com> References: <50baabb30807100156l43df5a68i734e515d5ce0e2bb@mail.gmail.com> <48768220.2040304@fedoraproject.org> <487703B6.4070209@nicubunu.ro> <27a6293b0807110531q1854d3c6qcbd33ace2add46a8@mail.gmail.com> <27a6293b0807111009p7be57b49x925040c8b8642313@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Source svg's are up for liberaProgramaro, as one "big" (2.7mb) tar.gz file because the wiki was complaining that each individually was too large. https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/F10Themes/liberaProgramaro - klaatu 2008/7/11 Mar?a Leandro : > hahahah don't worry... Inkscape is the best to convert into a vector file a > dark image (I've already make the svg for that file ;D ) > > > > > 2008/7/12 Klaatu and Gort : > >> Neat, Maria, the dark colours are actually quite nice. Sorry -- I guess I >> should have had the foresight to post the svg source files on the proposal >> page. I'll do this tonight when I get home.. >> - klaatu >> >> 2008/7/11 Mar?a Leandro : >> >> Hi all, >>> >>> I was playing arround with this wallpaper, and this came up. >>> >>> http://tatica.org/data/banners/LiberaProgramaroTOWER2.png >>> >>> >>> >>> 2008/7/12 Klaatu and Gort : >>> >>> screenshots with an actual desktop setup for Rahul and anyone else: >>>> >>>> http://www.thebadapples.info/fedorareloaded/screenshots/KDE_1.png >>>> http://www.thebadapples.info/fedorareloaded/screenshots/KDE_2.png >>>> http://www.thebadapples.info/fedorareloaded/screenshots/KDE_3.png >>>> http://www.thebadapples.info/fedorareloaded/screenshots/GNOME_1.png >>>> http://www.thebadapples.info/fedorareloaded/screenshots/GNOME_2.png >>>> http://www.thebadapples.info/fedorareloaded/screenshots/GNOME_3.png >>>> >>>> -klaatu >>>> >>>> >>>> On Thu, Jul 10, 2008 at 11:54 PM, Nicu Buculei >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Rahul Sundaram wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Klaatu and Gort wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Thanks! And happily, the background color is highly flexible and >>>>>>> easily changed. But surely you mean "too bright" not too dark? It seems to >>>>>>> me that the backgrounds that I have posted are very light when compared to >>>>>>> F9, or to the evening and late-night colors for F8. >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> What I would like to see is the same background in an actual desktop >>>>>> with the panel, menu, desktop icons etc just for the perspective. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Uh... right click, save as, change the background, look at it a couple >>>>> of seconds and return to your previous one? >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com >>>>> Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ >>>>> Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org >>>>> my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Fedora-art-list mailing list >>>>> Fedora-art-list at redhat.com >>>>> http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> --- >>>> use linux. support free software. >>>> subscribe to http://www.thebadapples.info/ogg.xml >>>> http://www.thebadapples.info/fedorareloaded/ogg.xml >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Fedora-art-list mailing list >>>> Fedora-art-list at redhat.com >>>> http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> tatica >>> Maria Gracia Leandro >>> http://www.tatica.org >>> http://www.iseit.net >>> http://www.latinux.org >>> http://www.latinux.com >>> http://www.fedora-ve.org >>> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/MariaLeandro >>> LinuxUser= 440285 >>> GPG Public Key: E1CDCC56 >>> "Be yourself... Don't be anyone else" >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Fedora-art-list mailing list >>> Fedora-art-list at redhat.com >>> http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> --- >> use linux. support free software. >> subscribe to http://www.thebadapples.info/ogg.xml >> http://www.thebadapples.info/fedorareloaded/ogg.xml >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Fedora-art-list mailing list >> Fedora-art-list at redhat.com >> http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list >> >> > > > -- > tatica > Maria Gracia Leandro > http://www.tatica.org > http://www.iseit.net > http://www.latinux.org > http://www.latinux.com > http://www.fedora-ve.org > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/MariaLeandro > LinuxUser= 440285 > GPG Public Key: E1CDCC56 > "Be yourself... 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There is a great "Noob to Pro" series of WikiBooks available from wikipedia.org that you might want to check out. GIMP is the other big one. Don't know of any books but if you know Photoshop you know the GIMP. There are many books on the subject. I hear some guy named Klaatu did a fair little intro to the program for the show Linux Reality at http://media.libsyn.com/media/linuxreality/linuxreality080.ogg Hope this helps, and good luck! - klaatu 2008/7/12 Daniel Sabin : > Hey everyone, > > I'm currently a student at Rose-Hulman Institute of Technology in Terre > Haute, IN starting my junior year. 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URL: From gort.klaatu at gmail.com Sun Jul 13 00:17:49 2008 From: gort.klaatu at gmail.com (Klaatu and Gort) Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2008 17:17:49 -0700 Subject: [Echo] New guide - Adding new icons In-Reply-To: <1215814796.27713.61.camel@pc-notebook> References: <1215470524.3206.133.camel@pc-notebook> <1215641683.27713.16.camel@pc-notebook> <4875ABF1.3030408@nicubunu.ro> <1215814796.27713.61.camel@pc-notebook> Message-ID: Martin, I used to do a bit of screencasting for another popular linux distro before I found Fedora, and we used xvidcap. It actually can record to a great number of formats, including raw digital video, from which you could then transcode it to whatever codec you want, and compress it as much or as little as space and quality allows. We used to transcode to both ogg vorbis and (ff)mpeg4 at, I think, a bitrate of 400kbps, with a screensize of 1024x768-ish. The quality was quite good, actually. To access xvidcap's preferences, you just have to right click on the leftmost button on the little control panel. It's kind of hidden but it is there . - klaatu 2008/7/11 Martin Sourada : > On Thu, 2008-07-10 at 09:28 +0300, Nicu Buculei wrote: > > Martin Sourada wrote: > > > I thought a screencast or set of screenshots might be useful, however > > > I've never done a screencast (and don't know where to host videos with > > > sufficient quality) :-D I'll see how it can be improved with > screenshots > > > (I'll make them during my next commit, if I don't forget). > > > > You can host the original OGG files on fedorapeople.org (and if you are > > happy with them, publish with FedoraTV - > > > https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-marketing-list/2008-July/msg00041.html > > > > Thanks for the tip :) I just started exploring the area and it seems > there are not many choices :/ In such screencast it would be vital that > the text would be readable and the oggs produced by instanbul does not > seem to be very good at that (i.e. I can read the text, but it requires > a lot effort to "decipher" it). Byzanz seem to record only to gifs, so I > didn't even bothered with installing it. The best app so far proved to > be xvidcap which however records to MP4 (I believe it's the older one, > not the newer and better h264 format) with MP3 audio in MPEG container. > > If I had a choice, I would use x264 codec for video, vorbis for audio > and matroska for file format, but even though x264 is open source, the > h264 format is patented (darn those patents, this really blocks > full-blown usage of this really good video compression format), also > there isn't a tool that would output to it (though theoretically since > xvidcap uses ffmpeg to compress the video, it should be able to output > to other codecs as well...). > > So I ask, if anyone knows the answer, or link that explain this. What > can be used for fedoratv? I can recompress the mpegs to theora+vorbis > later in the process, though I am not sure what the results would be. Is > there a way to tell istanbul to record with higher quality, or is the > low quality result of the theora video compression format limitations? > Or is there a desktop (or X11 screen) capturer that can output to > uncompressed video, or has more choices for the output formats? > > Thanks, > Martin > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list > > -- --- use linux. support free software. subscribe to http://www.thebadapples.info/ogg.xml http://www.thebadapples.info/fedorareloaded/ogg.xml -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From sdimitrovski at gmail.com Sun Jul 13 11:20:47 2008 From: sdimitrovski at gmail.com (Stojan Dimitrovski) Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2008 13:20:47 +0200 Subject: F10 theme: Spectrum In-Reply-To: <487820EE.5000403@redhat.com> References: <743398816.31591213699459080.JavaMail.root@mail.byte-code.com> <4877DB0F.1040908@redhat.com> <1215815333.27713.68.camel@pc-notebook> <487820EE.5000403@redhat.com> Message-ID: <876A7332-15A9-4125-8A57-CCA94085FC0D@gmail.com> Oh my god. This is the best theme yet! I hope to see it in Fedora 10. I also hope that the other versions of the theme will be this good. Whenever the voting or something like that begins be assured that you got my vote. On first hand the flower looked a bit too windowsy, but then again it isn't that much. Simply loving it! On 12.7.2008, at 05:11, Mike Langlie wrote: > Thanks for the feedback and wiki help. > I want to do a second version and hopefully get closer to what I > have in mind. > > I'm having no luck uploading a layered GIMP file from home, very > spotty net connection for some reason. > I'll do it Monday at the latest. > > Mike > > - - - - - > > Ian Weller wrote: >> On Sat, 12 Jul 2008, Martin Sourada wrote: >>> As for the wiki - it could have more than just the images. Like some >>> thoughts behind the idea and such. About the formatting - perhaps >>> someone with better knowledge of MediaWiki might help (I am a total >>> beginner in this area as well, MoinMoin seemed more friendly to >>> me :-D)? >> I just switched it to use the tag. Enjoy. > > M?ir?n Duffy wrote: >> These look great! >> Can you make the sources available so others can play around with it? > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Sun Jul 13 18:22:41 2008 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2008 23:52:41 +0530 Subject: Article: Concept Art for Fedora 10 Message-ID: <487A47F1.1030605@fedoraproject.org> Hi http://www.osnews.com/story/20039/Concept_Art_for_Fedora_10 Digg It: http://digg.com/linux_unix/Concept_Art_for_Fedora_10 "For many, their first experience with Fedora leaves them in awe of the incredible artwork. This is an important part of Fedora's reputation, so if your a fan of Fedora art, you should definitely check out what the art team has come up with." Rahul From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Mon Jul 14 07:43:35 2008 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2008 10:43:35 +0300 Subject: [Echo] New guide - Adding new icons In-Reply-To: <1215814796.27713.61.camel@pc-notebook> References: <1215470524.3206.133.camel@pc-notebook> <1215641683.27713.16.camel@pc-notebook> <4875ABF1.3030408@nicubunu.ro> <1215814796.27713.61.camel@pc-notebook> Message-ID: <487B03A7.7050108@nicubunu.ro> Martin Sourada wrote: > > Thanks for the tip :) I just started exploring the area and it seems > there are not many choices :/ In such screencast it would be vital that > the text would be readable and the oggs produced by instanbul does not > seem to be very good at that (i.e. I can read the text, but it requires > a lot effort to "decipher" it). Byzanz seem to record only to gifs, so I > didn't even bothered with installing it. The best app so far proved to > be xvidcap which however records to MP4 (I believe it's the older one, > not the newer and better h264 format) with MP3 audio in MPEG container. The problem with Istanbul is that is use a very low quality for Theora compression and it has no way to change that. You can use gtk-RecordMyDesktop instead (I believe it does not work with sound, so you will have to record the sound separately, Istanbul used to have the same bug) and leave the quality at 100%. The result will be a much better looking video and less CPU consumption while recording. -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Mon Jul 14 08:10:00 2008 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2008 11:10:00 +0300 Subject: Self Introduction In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <487B09D8.7070304@nicubunu.ro> Daniel Sabin wrote: > Hey everyone, Hi, > I'm currently a student at Rose-Hulman Institute of Technology in Terre > Haute, IN starting my junior year. I'm really interested in developing > some skills in computer graphics and i figured that this would be a > helpful community to join that also has some really intresting projects > to boot. > > I'm really new to this (all the art i've done is on paper), but computer > graphics seems like an intresting medium to work in. Do you have any work to show, an online gallery or something? > I'd love some tips to get started or things to try to do to learn the > basics. I have access to any book you may want to tell me about so > references would also be welcome (and suggested). If you want to try creating icons for our work-in-progress Echo theme, here is a nice introduction: https://fedorahosted.org/echo-icon-theme/wiki/Guidelines/OnTheTablePerspective -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From martin.sourada at gmail.com Mon Jul 14 08:13:55 2008 From: martin.sourada at gmail.com (Martin Sourada) Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2008 10:13:55 +0200 Subject: [Echo] New guide - Adding new icons In-Reply-To: References: <1215470524.3206.133.camel@pc-notebook> <1215641683.27713.16.camel@pc-notebook> <4875ABF1.3030408@nicubunu.ro> <1215814796.27713.61.camel@pc-notebook> Message-ID: <1216023235.2947.13.camel@pc-notebook> On Sat, 2008-07-12 at 17:17 -0700, Klaatu and Gort wrote: > Martin, > I used to do a bit of screencasting for another popular linux distro > before I found Fedora, and we used xvidcap. It actually can record to > a great number of formats, including raw digital video, from which you > could then transcode it to whatever codec you want, and compress it as > much or as little as space and quality allows. We used to transcode > to both ogg vorbis and (ff)mpeg4 at, I think, a bitrate of 400kbps, > with a screensize of 1024x768-ish. The quality was quite good, > actually. > > To access xvidcap's preferences, you just have to right click on the > leftmost button on the little control panel. It's kind of hidden but > it is there. > > > - klaatu > Hi, thanks! It is really hidden, but it is there :-) Seems though, that xvidcap tend to freeze for me :-/ However, I managed to shot with it one supporting screencast [1] and with subtitleeditor added some subtitle commentary to it (in English and in Czech). In order to position the subtitles correctly you need to pass -ass parameter to mplayer, otherwise all subtitles will be rendered at the bottom of the screen which sometimes overrides the text written in terminal. I used h264 for better compression and mkv to store the subtitles inside the file, but next time I'll use theora ;-) The screencast covers the setting-up sections of the working with git tutorial. I discovered easier ways to set up local branches tracking remote branches and I update the tutorial later today to describe the same steps I used in the screencast. I also shot (and edited) the screencast on newly installed rawhide (install F9 and update via yum with rawhide repo enabled) to better simulate the situation when you have set up nothing but ssh (for usage with FAS) yet. Comments welcome, I'll probably re-shoot it once again with gtk-recordmydesktop, hopefully with less mistakes :-D Martin References: [1] http://mso.fedorapeople.org/screencasts/git%20-%2001%20-% 20setting-up%20the%20repository.mkv -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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The result will be a > much better looking video and less CPU consumption while recording. > Thanks! That seems to be precisely what I was looking for - good-enough output, good CPU usage and it seems to work without any major bugs. I didn't checked if the sound is working, after all, I am not confident enough to read the commentary (i.e. I am not much confident with my spoken English) :-D Only the area selection could be handled better, I like the way it is done in xvidcap :-) Martin -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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") or even just weird ("fedora core 4 was nice") but I guess there is some truth in the saying "there is no sich thing as bad publicity" -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Mon Jul 14 08:58:04 2008 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2008 11:58:04 +0300 Subject: [Echo] New guide - Adding new icons In-Reply-To: <1216023475.2947.17.camel@pc-notebook> References: <1215470524.3206.133.camel@pc-notebook> <1215641683.27713.16.camel@pc-notebook> <4875ABF1.3030408@nicubunu.ro> <1215814796.27713.61.camel@pc-notebook> <487B03A7.7050108@nicubunu.ro> <1216023475.2947.17.camel@pc-notebook> Message-ID: <487B151C.4060906@nicubunu.ro> Martin Sourada wrote: > On Mon, 2008-07-14 at 10:43 +0300, Nicu Buculei wrote: >> The problem with Istanbul is that is use a very low quality for Theora >> compression and it has no way to change that. >> You can use gtk-RecordMyDesktop instead (I believe it does not work with >> sound, so you will have to record the sound separately, Istanbul used to >> have the same bug) and leave the quality at 100%. The result will be a >> much better looking video and less CPU consumption while recording. > > Thanks! That seems to be precisely what I was looking for - good-enough > output, good CPU usage and it seems to work without any major bugs. I > didn't checked if the sound is working, after all, I am not confident > enough to read the commentary (i.e. I am not much confident with my > spoken English) :-D Only the area selection could be handled better, I > like the way it is done in xvidcap :-) I found a bug in RecordMyDesktop, which currently is driving me towards Istanbul: when having gtk-RecordMyDesktop recording I am unable to move layers up/down in GIMP using drag & drop. -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Mon Jul 14 09:03:36 2008 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2008 12:03:36 +0300 Subject: F10 theme: Spectrum In-Reply-To: <876A7332-15A9-4125-8A57-CCA94085FC0D@gmail.com> References: <743398816.31591213699459080.JavaMail.root@mail.byte-code.com> <4877DB0F.1040908@redhat.com> <1215815333.27713.68.camel@pc-notebook> <487820EE.5000403@redhat.com> <876A7332-15A9-4125-8A57-CCA94085FC0D@gmail.com> Message-ID: <487B1668.7030408@nicubunu.ro> Stojan Dimitrovski wrote: > Oh my god. This is the best theme yet! I hope to see it in Fedora 10. I > also hope that the other versions of the theme will be this good. > Whenever the voting or something like that begins be assured that you > got my vote. We don't use here a vote in the classic way. You vote with your work, by playing with a proposal and sending modifications/alternatives/improvements. -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From martin.sourada at gmail.com Mon Jul 14 10:03:27 2008 From: martin.sourada at gmail.com (Martin Sourada) Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2008 12:03:27 +0200 Subject: [F-10 Feature?] Nodoka notification theme Message-ID: <1216029807.2947.47.camel@pc-notebook> Hi, as some of you might know, I'd like to make new notification theme (the currently ugly bubbles [0] with various messages like package updates, battery status, incoming mail, etc.) for Fedora 10 and I am quite unsure, as it is rather a small change, albeit quite visible, whether to create a Feature page for it. The current status is: I've released first public release for testing [1] nearly three months ago, and have been using it since then without any issues, also so far nobody reported any bugs against it. It is also available in Fedora [2] and in order to get it used, you currently need to set gconf '/apps/notification-daemon/theme' key to 'nodoka' (without the quotes). I believe Mathias added some patch to the appearances caplet to set it by itself if specified in the gnome meta-theme, but it does not seem to work currently in rawhide. No gui for selection the theme is available ATM AFAIK. Also there is an issue with the notification-daemon that it crashes when theme is changed, I haven't filled a bug yet (but will probably do so soon). As AFAIK it is a first notification daemon engine/theme created separately from the notification daemon itself, it also needs some wider testing if everything works as expected. For those interested only in the looks, I also have some screenshots available [3][4]. I use compositing when available so the bubbles look slightly better if you have compositing on, either via metacity, compiz or anything else (I use rawhide metacity with compositing on and it works well with it). For test-list: ------------------------------------------------------------------------ I'd be grateful for any testers willing to test this and reporting any issues so that users in F10 will get only the improved experience of the new design and no problems caused by regressions or bugs. You can report issues both in upstream trac [5] or in rhbz. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ For art-list: ------------------------------------------------------------------------ For next release - which will be the one in F10 - I hope to improve the design a little and with enabled compositing perhaps add some animation when showing/hiding (starting from fully transparent, ending with semi-transparent and vice versa). Any suggestions in this matter? ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Thanks for your comments, Martin References: [0] http://mso.fedorapeople.org/nodoka/notify/preview/notify-orig.png [1] https://fedorahosted.org/releases/n/o/nodoka/notification-daemon-engine-nodoka-0.1.0.tar.gz [2] http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/packageinfo?packageID=6197 [3] http://mso.fedorapeople.org/nodoka/notify/preview/notify-new-with-compositing.png [4] http://mso.fedorapeople.org/nodoka/notify/preview/notify-new.png [5] https://fedorahosted.org/nodoka/newticket -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 197 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Mon Jul 14 13:31:59 2008 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2008 16:31:59 +0300 Subject: F10 theme: Spectrum In-Reply-To: <4877DB0F.1040908@redhat.com> References: <743398816.31591213699459080.JavaMail.root@mail.byte-code.com> <4877DB0F.1040908@redhat.com> Message-ID: <487B554F.9020303@nicubunu.ro> Mike Langlie wrote: > Here's an idea. Forgive my poor wiki formatting. > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/F10Themes/spectrum Mike, care to add your proposal page to the list of submissions? http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/F10Themes#List_of_Submissions -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From mlanglie at redhat.com Mon Jul 14 14:15:50 2008 From: mlanglie at redhat.com (Mike Langlie) Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2008 10:15:50 -0400 Subject: F10 theme: Spectrum In-Reply-To: <487820EE.5000403@redhat.com> References: <743398816.31591213699459080.JavaMail.root@mail.byte-code.com> <4877DB0F.1040908@redhat.com> <1215815333.27713.68.camel@pc-notebook> <487820EE.5000403@redhat.com> Message-ID: <487B5F96.4030107@redhat.com> Darn, the site chokes when I try uploading the GIMP file or a compressed version. If anyone would like it email me and I'll try sending it (about 45MB compressed). Mike Mike Langlie wrote: > Thanks for the feedback and wiki help. > I want to do a second version and hopefully get closer to what I have > in mind. > > I'm having no luck uploading a layered GIMP file from home, very > spotty net connection for some reason. > I'll do it Monday at the latest. > > Mike > > - - - - - > M?ir?n Duffy wrote: >> These look great! >> Can you make the sources available so others can play around with it? > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Mon Jul 14 14:24:49 2008 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2008 17:24:49 +0300 Subject: F10 theme: Spectrum In-Reply-To: <487B5F96.4030107@redhat.com> References: <743398816.31591213699459080.JavaMail.root@mail.byte-code.com> <4877DB0F.1040908@redhat.com> <1215815333.27713.68.camel@pc-notebook> <487820EE.5000403@redhat.com> <487B5F96.4030107@redhat.com> Message-ID: <487B61B1.20807@nicubunu.ro> Mike Langlie wrote: > Darn, the site chokes when I try uploading the GIMP file or a compressed > version. > If anyone would like it email me and I'll try sending it (about 45MB > compressed). Yeah, 45MB is quite large... do you know you can use fedorapeople.org to host such files? (but I believe one 45MB file would take almost all your default space quota - 50MB IIRC, can be increased upon request) -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From stickster at gmail.com Mon Jul 14 14:44:51 2008 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2008 10:44:51 -0400 Subject: F10 theme: Spectrum In-Reply-To: <487B61B1.20807@nicubunu.ro> References: <743398816.31591213699459080.JavaMail.root@mail.byte-code.com> <4877DB0F.1040908@redhat.com> <1215815333.27713.68.camel@pc-notebook> <487820EE.5000403@redhat.com> <487B5F96.4030107@redhat.com> <487B61B1.20807@nicubunu.ro> Message-ID: <1216046691.24527.85.camel@victoria> On Mon, 2008-07-14 at 17:24 +0300, Nicu Buculei wrote: > Mike Langlie wrote: > > Darn, the site chokes when I try uploading the GIMP file or a compressed > > version. > > If anyone would like it email me and I'll try sending it (about 45MB > > compressed). > > Yeah, 45MB is quite large... do you know you can use fedorapeople.org to > host such files? (but I believe one 45MB file would take almost all your > default space quota - 50MB IIRC, can be increased upon request) 150 MB by default, more available if you stop by #fedora-admin on IRC Freenode and request it. -- Paul W. Frields gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://paul.frields.org/ - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From mclasen at redhat.com Mon Jul 14 15:32:29 2008 From: mclasen at redhat.com (Matthias Clasen) Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2008 11:32:29 -0400 Subject: [F-10 Feature?] Nodoka notification theme In-Reply-To: <1216029807.2947.47.camel@pc-notebook> References: <1216029807.2947.47.camel@pc-notebook> Message-ID: <1216049549.3259.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Mon, 2008-07-14 at 12:03 +0200, Martin Sourada wrote: > I believe Mathias added some patch to the appearances caplet to set it > by itself if specified in the gnome meta-theme, but it does not seem to > work currently in rawhide. No gui for selection the theme is available > ATM AFAIK. Also there is an issue with the notification-daemon that it > crashes when theme is changed, I haven't filled a bug yet (but will > probably do so soon). Please file bugs for these issues and I'll look into it. Thanks, Matthias From duffy at fedoraproject.org Mon Jul 14 16:35:44 2008 From: duffy at fedoraproject.org (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?M=E1ir=EDn_Duffy?=) Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2008 12:35:44 -0400 Subject: F10 theme: Spectrum In-Reply-To: <487B5F96.4030107@redhat.com> References: <743398816.31591213699459080.JavaMail.root@mail.byte-code.com> <4877DB0F.1040908@redhat.com> <1215815333.27713.68.camel@pc-notebook> <487820EE.5000403@redhat.com> <487B5F96.4030107@redhat.com> Message-ID: <487B8060.5080304@fedoraproject.org> Mike Langlie wrote: > Darn, the site chokes when I try uploading the GIMP file or a compressed > version. > If anyone would like it email me and I'll try sending it (about 45MB > compressed). Can you upload it to your Fedora people account and then drop the link on your proposal page? Also, can you fill out the proposal page a bit more? The requirements for these are written up here: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/F10Themes#How_to_Play The concept writeup should be about a paragraph and should explain the idea/meaning behind your theme and how it relates to Fedora's principles/ideals/etc. ~m From mlanglie at redhat.com Mon Jul 14 16:49:23 2008 From: mlanglie at redhat.com (Mike Langlie) Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2008 12:49:23 -0400 Subject: F10 theme: Spectrum In-Reply-To: <487B8060.5080304@fedoraproject.org> References: <743398816.31591213699459080.JavaMail.root@mail.byte-code.com> <4877DB0F.1040908@redhat.com> <1215815333.27713.68.camel@pc-notebook> <487820EE.5000403@redhat.com> <487B5F96.4030107@redhat.com> <487B8060.5080304@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <487B8393.9080008@redhat.com> M?ir?n Duffy wrote: > Mike Langlie wrote: >> Darn, the site chokes when I try uploading the GIMP file or a >> compressed version. >> If anyone would like it email me and I'll try sending it (about 45MB >> compressed). > > Can you upload it to your Fedora people account and then drop the link > on your proposal page? > > Also, can you fill out the proposal page a bit more? The requirements > for these are written up here: > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/F10Themes#How_to_Play > > The concept writeup should be about a paragraph and should explain the > idea/meaning behind your theme and how it relates to Fedora's > principles/ideals/etc. > > ~m > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list How do I upload something directly to my people account? Having a hard time figuring that out. Mike From rnorwood at redhat.com Mon Jul 14 17:00:43 2008 From: rnorwood at redhat.com (Robin Norwood) Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2008 13:00:43 -0400 Subject: Choosing the 'right' icon for an application Message-ID: <20080714130043.36702a2b@solitude.devel.redhat.com> Hi, So I've been looking at importing the icons for applications for the Fedora Applications web site [1]. We'd like to show an icon next to a given application, preferably the one the user would see in the menus after installing said app. This is, of course, complicated. I can currently look for icons inside each rpm in Fedora, specifically the rpm providing the application we're interested in, and the various *-icon-theme rpms. My current thinking is, for each application: o Get the icon name from the application's .desktop file. o Look in /usr/share/icons for icons matching that name from the various default Fedora themes. o Pick an appropriately-sized icon png (probably 48x48). - We could also store svg instead of png. o Create a map that looks something like this: OS -> Application -> Theme -> icon With a 'generic' theme for icons provided by the application. o Save the above map and icon data in the web application's database. o When picking an icon to show the user, pick the one from their currently-selected theme and OS (if we know it), falling back to an icon from the Fedora or 'generic' theme. Does this sound sane? I don't know enough about how icons work to know if I've missed something. [1] https://fedorahosted.org/amber/ Thanks, -RN -- Robin Norwood Red Hat, Inc. "The Sage does nothing, yet nothing remains undone." -Lao Tzu, Te Tao Ching From martin.sourada at gmail.com Mon Jul 14 17:02:16 2008 From: martin.sourada at gmail.com (Martin Sourada) Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2008 19:02:16 +0200 Subject: F10 theme: Spectrum In-Reply-To: <487B8393.9080008@redhat.com> References: <743398816.31591213699459080.JavaMail.root@mail.byte-code.com> <4877DB0F.1040908@redhat.com> <1215815333.27713.68.camel@pc-notebook> <487820EE.5000403@redhat.com> <487B5F96.4030107@redhat.com> <487B8060.5080304@fedoraproject.org> <487B8393.9080008@redhat.com> Message-ID: <1216054936.2947.56.camel@pc-notebook> On Mon, 2008-07-14 at 12:49 -0400, Mike Langlie wrote: > How do I upload something directly to my people account? > Having a hard time figuring that out. > > Mike > It's actually pretty easy and you can do it even using nautilus, but I find more convenient to use mc. Here are the steps: * open terminal * open mc in terminal * in one panel navigate to the folder you have the file in * switch to the other panel (hit tab) * hit F9, enter the menu, and select shell link * enter the machine name in format: .fedorapeople.org in my case it's mso.fedorapeople.org * hit OK. You'll be probably asked for a password to your ssh key - watch the "command line" to see what's happening * once you're in, navigate into /home/fedora//public_html in my case it's /home/fedora/mso/public_html * switch back to the first panel * select the file you want to upload (either by hitting insert, or highlighting it) * hit F5 to copy, you can leave the form as is and hit OK * watch the progress in the "command line" * after you're done, close mc and the terminal Martin -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 197 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From mlanglie at redhat.com Mon Jul 14 17:07:28 2008 From: mlanglie at redhat.com (Mike Langlie) Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2008 13:07:28 -0400 Subject: F10 theme: Spectrum In-Reply-To: <1216054936.2947.56.camel@pc-notebook> References: <743398816.31591213699459080.JavaMail.root@mail.byte-code.com> <4877DB0F.1040908@redhat.com> <1215815333.27713.68.camel@pc-notebook> <487820EE.5000403@redhat.com> <487B5F96.4030107@redhat.com> <487B8060.5080304@fedoraproject.org> <487B8393.9080008@redhat.com> <1216054936.2947.56.camel@pc-notebook> Message-ID: <487B87D0.108@redhat.com> Martin Sourada wrote: > On Mon, 2008-07-14 at 12:49 -0400, Mike Langlie wrote: > >> How do I upload something directly to my people account? >> Having a hard time figuring that out. >> >> Mike >> >> > > It's actually pretty easy and you can do it even using nautilus, but I > find more convenient to use mc. Here are the steps: > > * open terminal > * open mc in terminal > * in one panel navigate to the folder you have the file in > * switch to the other panel (hit tab) > * hit F9, enter the menu, and select shell link > * enter the machine name in format: > .fedorapeople.org > in my case it's mso.fedorapeople.org > * hit OK. You'll be probably asked for a password to your ssh key - > watch the "command line" to see what's happening > * once you're in, navigate into > /home/fedora//public_html > in my case it's /home/fedora/mso/public_html > * switch back to the first panel > * select the file you want to upload (either by hitting insert, or > highlighting it) > * hit F5 to copy, you can leave the form as is and hit OK > * watch the progress in the "command line" > * after you're done, close mc and the terminal > > Martin > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list > Thanks Martin. Is there a way to do it without using Terminal? (For us lowly Mac users who aren't schooled in such things...) Mike From martin.sourada at gmail.com Mon Jul 14 17:19:35 2008 From: martin.sourada at gmail.com (Martin Sourada) Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2008 19:19:35 +0200 Subject: F10 theme: Spectrum In-Reply-To: <487B87D0.108@redhat.com> References: <743398816.31591213699459080.JavaMail.root@mail.byte-code.com> <4877DB0F.1040908@redhat.com> <1215815333.27713.68.camel@pc-notebook> <487820EE.5000403@redhat.com> <487B5F96.4030107@redhat.com> <487B8060.5080304@fedoraproject.org> <487B8393.9080008@redhat.com> <1216054936.2947.56.camel@pc-notebook> <487B87D0.108@redhat.com> Message-ID: <1216055975.2947.63.camel@pc-notebook> On Mon, 2008-07-14 at 13:07 -0400, Mike Langlie wrote: > Thanks Martin. Is there a way to do it without using Terminal? > (For us lowly Mac users who aren't schooled in such things...) > > Mike Yeah. In gnome do Places->Connect to Server... In the dialogue set the Service Type to SSH and fill .fedorapeople.org as Server. You can check Add bookmark and enter the bookmark name, if you wish. The rest leave as is. After confirming, you should be asked for ssh password (if you do not have it saved in ssh agent), and then a nautilus window with the remote connection should appear. You should be able to browse the fedora people same way like any other folder, I assume you know how to work with nautilus ;-) In KDE I don't know how it's done, but the process is probably similar. Martin -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 197 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From stickster at gmail.com Mon Jul 14 17:17:35 2008 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2008 13:17:35 -0400 Subject: F10 theme: Spectrum In-Reply-To: <487B8393.9080008@redhat.com> References: <743398816.31591213699459080.JavaMail.root@mail.byte-code.com> <4877DB0F.1040908@redhat.com> <1215815333.27713.68.camel@pc-notebook> <487820EE.5000403@redhat.com> <487B5F96.4030107@redhat.com> <487B8060.5080304@fedoraproject.org> <487B8393.9080008@redhat.com> Message-ID: <1216055855.24527.113.camel@victoria> On Mon, 2008-07-14 at 12:49 -0400, Mike Langlie wrote: > How do I upload something directly to my people account? > Having a hard time figuring that out. This is an easy way to do it using GNOME and Nautilus: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Infrastructure/fedorapeople.org/Connecting_with_Nautilus -- Paul W. Frields gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://paul.frields.org/ - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Also there is an issue with the notification-daemon that it > > crashes when theme is changed, I haven't filled a bug yet (but will > > probably do so soon). > > Please file bugs for these issues and I'll look into it. > > Thanks, > > Matthias I've filled the notification-daemon bug (as it is reproducible on F9 as well) [1], I'll recheck the issue of not changing the notify theme if specified in meta theme when I get back to rawhide (I didn't look if everything was set as expected) and if it really does not work when expected, I'll file a bug as well. Thanks, Martin References: [1] https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=455289 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Rahul From martin.sourada at gmail.com Mon Jul 14 20:26:40 2008 From: martin.sourada at gmail.com (Martin Sourada) Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2008 22:26:40 +0200 Subject: [F-10 Feature?] Nodoka notification theme In-Reply-To: <1216049549.3259.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1216029807.2947.47.camel@pc-notebook> <1216049549.3259.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1216067200.3210.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Mon, 2008-07-14 at 11:32 -0400, Matthias Clasen wrote: > On Mon, 2008-07-14 at 12:03 +0200, Martin Sourada wrote: > > > I believe Mathias added some patch to the appearances caplet to set it > > by itself if specified in the gnome meta-theme, but it does not seem to > > work currently in rawhide. No gui for selection the theme is available > > ATM AFAIK. Also there is an issue with the notification-daemon that it > > crashes when theme is changed, I haven't filled a bug yet (but will > > probably do so soon). > > Please file bugs for these issues and I'll look into it. > > Thanks, > > Matthias Back at rawhide. I just discovered that the first issue I mentioned is a little bit more sophisticated... The notification theme changes to nodoka if I select Nodoka theme, however resets back to standard if I choose e.g. a different icon theme (I've selected echo, which is why I didn't noticed the nodoka notification theme was applied before changing the icon theme). Bug filed: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=455329 Thanks, Martin -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Since you mentioned you'd like to help with icons (among other things), which is one of my main interests in Fedora, I'd like you to provide some useful links that should help you get started with the icon theme we are designing especially for Fedora: https://fedorahosted.org/echo-icon-theme/ https://fedorahosted.org/echo-icon-theme/wiki/Guidelines https://fedorahosted.org/echo-icon-theme/wiki/Guidelines/OnTheTablePerspective http://mso.fedorapeople.org/screencasts/git%20-%2001%20-%20setting-up% 20the%20repository.mkv https://fedorahosted.org/echo-icon-theme/wiki/WorkingWithGit https://fedorahosted.org/echo-icon-theme/wiki/AddingNewIconSet https://fedorahosted.org/echo-icon-theme/wiki/ToDo You are more than welcome to help either by commenting on these pages/screen-casts or creating new icons :-) Martin -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 197 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From mclasen at redhat.com Mon Jul 14 21:57:57 2008 From: mclasen at redhat.com (Matthias Clasen) Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2008 17:57:57 -0400 Subject: [F-10 Feature?] Nodoka notification theme In-Reply-To: <1216067200.3210.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1216029807.2947.47.camel@pc-notebook> <1216049549.3259.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1216067200.3210.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1216072677.3259.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Mon, 2008-07-14 at 22:26 +0200, Martin Sourada wrote: > On Mon, 2008-07-14 at 11:32 -0400, Matthias Clasen wrote: > > On Mon, 2008-07-14 at 12:03 +0200, Martin Sourada wrote: > > > > > I believe Mathias added some patch to the appearances caplet to set it > > > by itself if specified in the gnome meta-theme, but it does not seem to > > > work currently in rawhide. No gui for selection the theme is available > > > ATM AFAIK. Also there is an issue with the notification-daemon that it > > > crashes when theme is changed, I haven't filled a bug yet (but will > > > probably do so soon). > > > > Please file bugs for these issues and I'll look into it. > > > > Thanks, > > > > Matthias > Back at rawhide. I just discovered that the first issue I mentioned is a > little bit more sophisticated... The notification theme changes to > nodoka if I select Nodoka theme, however resets back to standard if I > choose e.g. a different icon theme (I've selected echo, which is why I > didn't noticed the nodoka notification theme was applied before changing > the icon theme). Bug filed: > > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=455329 > Please try tomorrows rawhide. I think both issues should be fixed. From duffy at fedoraproject.org Tue Jul 15 02:43:16 2008 From: duffy at fedoraproject.org (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?M=E1ir=EDn_Duffy?=) Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2008 22:43:16 -0400 Subject: F10 artwork schedule - time to close proposals? Message-ID: <487C0EC4.4070208@fedoraproject.org> Hey folks, We've an overwhelming number of proposals for F10 now. Should we close new proposals for F10 so we don't have our focus spread across too many ideas? Also, we should probably go through the proposals missing the requirements and remind the proposers to fully fill them out or pull them. It would be cool if we could form teams around a core set of proposals and kind of battle it out :) ~m From ianweller at gmail.com Tue Jul 15 02:55:19 2008 From: ianweller at gmail.com (Ian Weller) Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2008 21:55:19 -0500 (CDT) Subject: F10 artwork schedule - time to close proposals? In-Reply-To: <487C0EC4.4070208@fedoraproject.org> References: <487C0EC4.4070208@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: On Mon, 14 Jul 2008, M?ir?n Duffy wrote: > We've an overwhelming number of proposals for F10 now. Should we close > new > proposals for F10 so we don't have our focus spread across too many > ideas? > Give everyone another week. Some people may be working on proposals right now. > Also, we should probably go through the proposals missing the > requirements > and remind the proposers to fully fill them out or pull them. > A matrix on the wiki page might help. It also might help to have a wiki page with the requirements for each stage, with examples from previous releases' successful themes. Maybe I can talk with you tomorrow about what exactly the requirements are and I can compile the pages... > It would be cool if we could form teams around a core set of proposals > and > kind of battle it out :) > A theme caucus :D -- ian -- Ian Weller http://ianweller.org GnuPG fingerprint: E51E 0517 7A92 70A2 4226 B050 87ED 7C97 EFA8 4A36 "Technology is a word that describes something that doesn't work yet." ~ Douglas Adams From duffy at fedoraproject.org Tue Jul 15 03:02:54 2008 From: duffy at fedoraproject.org (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?M=E1ir=EDn_Duffy?=) Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2008 23:02:54 -0400 Subject: F10 artwork schedule - time to close proposals? In-Reply-To: References: <487C0EC4.4070208@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <487C135E.8050201@fedoraproject.org> Ian Weller wrote: > On Mon, 14 Jul 2008, M?ir?n Duffy wrote: > >> We've an overwhelming number of proposals for F10 now. Should we close >> new proposals for F10 so we don't have our focus spread across too many >> ideas? >> > Give everyone another week. Some people may be working on proposals > right now. Good idea! Is everyone okay with closing it on July 21st? > >> Also, we should probably go through the proposals missing the >> requirements and remind the proposers to fully fill them out or pull >> them. >> > A matrix on the wiki page might help. It also might help to have a wiki > page with the requirements for each stage, with examples from previous > releases' successful themes. Maybe I can talk with you tomorrow about > what exactly the requirements are and I can compile the pages... We do have a page with the requirements; they have been the same since F7: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/F10Themes#How_to_Play Basically: - have a good *concept* - create a wiki page with: - a theme name - initial sketches (at least one is what we usually say, and they can be examples or references to other artwork) - an explanation of the concept and how it relates to Fedora - the proposer must have a signed CLA Having examples of good ones from previous versions of Fedora would be awesome! :) ~m From hellcomdev at gmail.com Tue Jul 15 05:09:43 2008 From: hellcomdev at gmail.com (RazGriz) Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2008 02:09:43 -0300 Subject: F10 artwork schedule - time to close proposals? In-Reply-To: <487C135E.8050201@fedoraproject.org> References: <487C0EC4.4070208@fedoraproject.org> <487C135E.8050201@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <1f0d49220807142209n76161c25y52cdcef13ab45ac5@mail.gmail.com> +1. On Tue, Jul 15, 2008 at 12:02 AM, M?ir?n Duffy wrote: > Ian Weller wrote: > >> On Mon, 14 Jul 2008, M?ir?n Duffy wrote: >> >> We've an overwhelming number of proposals for F10 now. Should we close >>> new proposals for F10 so we don't have our focus spread across too many >>> ideas? >>> >>> Give everyone another week. Some people may be working on proposals >> right now. >> > > Good idea! Is everyone okay with closing it on July 21st? > >> >> Also, we should probably go through the proposals missing the >>> requirements and remind the proposers to fully fill them out or pull >>> them. >>> >>> A matrix on the wiki page might help. It also might help to have a wiki >> page with the requirements for each stage, with examples from previous >> releases' successful themes. Maybe I can talk with you tomorrow about >> what exactly the requirements are and I can compile the pages... >> > > We do have a page with the requirements; they have been the same since F7: > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/F10Themes#How_to_Play > > Basically: > - have a good *concept* > - create a wiki page with: > - a theme name > - initial sketches (at least one is what we usually say, and they can be > examples or references to other artwork) > - an explanation of the concept and how it relates to Fedora > - the proposer must have a signed CLA > > Having examples of good ones from previous versions of Fedora would be > awesome! :) > > > ~m > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list > -- RazGriz The Solo_-Wing. Diretor de Arte GNU-LIA--=www.gnu-lia.org 2 Tons Comunica??o Revista Fedora Brasil Portal O-Gimp -=-=:Quem constr?i a realidade ? voc?. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wonderer4711 at gmx.de Mon Jul 14 15:22:09 2008 From: wonderer4711 at gmx.de (wonderer) Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2008 17:22:09 +0200 Subject: new Artwork ideas for FC10 Message-ID: <487B6F21.9070504@gmx.de> Hy together, in order to a small discussion of the upcoming FC10 Artwork on the marketing-list I had some ideas I would like to give here for further comments. I has the thought if we can't think a bit bigger for FC10?! This is the 10th Version of an Operatingsystem. 10th Anniversery. We have a one and THEN the null behind. We have decades going forward... So just some thoughts/ideas we could have: - collect some/all the (unpublished) Artwork of the years and put them together or remaster some of "the old" ideas, made them retro or so. - ask VIP's (let your imagination flow who this could be...) make some Artwork. I don't mean that as a blow against the art-team or so (Nicu Buculei mentioned such a thing) but it CAN be a way to have lets say unusual stuff in here. an (maybe bad) example: let Stallman scribble the fedora Logo and work that out or ask people like Doc Baumann, Linus Torwalds, Mark Shuttleworth or such guys. maybe we can work out lets say 12 different VIP Pics or scribbles for that. - put in some photos as backgrounds, maybe from big events or meetings... there are few Pictures as backgrounds, but many people have some. There are many ways to put in lets say "faces of fedora" in a smooth way... - best of artwork-artwork: any Artworker give one bit of his work to another and let him or her work that out, let your minds flow, cooperate, work out things together, etc. - other ideas... So, any comments on my ideas? sincerly Henrik Heigl /// wonderer at fedoraproject.org // From duffy at fedoraproject.org Tue Jul 15 05:39:51 2008 From: duffy at fedoraproject.org (=?ISO-8859-15?Q?M=E1ir=EDn_Duffy?=) Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2008 01:39:51 -0400 Subject: new Artwork ideas for FC10 In-Reply-To: <487B6F21.9070504@gmx.de> References: <487B6F21.9070504@gmx.de> Message-ID: <487C3827.40703@fedoraproject.org> wonderer wrote: > Hy together, > > in order to a small discussion of the upcoming FC10 Artwork on the > marketing-list I had some ideas I would like to give here for further > comments. > I has the thought if we can't think a bit bigger for FC10?! This is the > 10th Version of an Operatingsystem. 10th Anniversery. We have a one and > THEN the null behind. We have decades going forward... > > So just some thoughts/ideas we could have: > - collect some/all the (unpublished) Artwork of the years and put them > together or remaster some of "the old" ideas, made them retro or so. This seems an interesting idea and has been proposed at least 3 other times. However, it seems no one has been interested in it enough to follow through. Maybe you could be the person to make this happen? > - ask VIP's (let your imagination flow who this could be...) make some > Artwork. I don't mean that as a blow against the art-team or so (Nicu > Buculei mentioned such a thing) but it CAN be a way to have lets say > unusual stuff in here. I think we have more than enough ideas right now for F10 that we don't need to go out and ask for more to add more to the pool. > an (maybe bad) example: let Stallman scribble the fedora Logo and work > that out or ask people like Doc Baumann, Linus Torwalds, Mark > Shuttleworth or such guys. I don't know if Mark Shuttleworth would be all that interested in contributing to Fedora. Just a hunch. :-p What is the meaning behind doing this? How does it relate to Fedora? It seems to be promoting celebrity over expertise, no? Technical people doing art = people doing something outside of their expertise? What does that say about Fedora? Is celebrity really valued in Fedora? > maybe we can work out lets say 12 different VIP Pics or scribbles for > that. > - put in some photos as backgrounds, maybe from big events or meetings... > there are few Pictures as backgrounds, but many people have some. There > are many ways to put in lets say "faces of fedora" in a smooth way... Do you have any pictures to suggest? > - best of artwork-artwork: any Artworker give one bit of his work to > another and let him or her work that out, let your minds flow, > cooperate, work out things together, etc. This is what our art process involves right now. :) ~m From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Tue Jul 15 06:22:57 2008 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2008 09:22:57 +0300 Subject: Choosing the 'right' icon for an application In-Reply-To: <20080714130043.36702a2b@solitude.devel.redhat.com> References: <20080714130043.36702a2b@solitude.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <487C4241.4030903@nicubunu.ro> Robin Norwood wrote: > So I've been looking at importing the icons for applications for the > Fedora Applications web site [1]. We'd like to show an icon next to a > given application, preferably the one the user would see in the menus > after installing said app. This is, of course, complicated. I can > currently look for icons inside each rpm in Fedora, specifically the > rpm providing the application we're interested in, and the various > *-icon-theme rpms. My current thinking is, for each application: > > o Get the icon name from the application's .desktop file. This seems sane > o Look in /usr/share/icons for icons matching that name from the > various default Fedora themes. > > o Pick an appropriately-sized icon png (probably 48x48). > - We could also store svg instead of png. I don't think there is a need to store the SVG, there is no straightforward way to embed in in a web page (and have it rendered correctly by all browsers). > o Create a map that looks something like this: > OS -> Application -> Theme -> icon > > With a 'generic' theme for icons provided by the application. > > o Save the above map and icon data in the web application's database. > > o When picking an icon to show the user, pick the one from their > currently-selected theme and OS (if we know it), falling back to an icon > from the Fedora or 'generic' theme. I am curious to identify which icon theme is the user using. The browser does not know this info, the only way I can imagine it working is to have smolt reporting the theme and link data from smolt with amber. I don't think you want to go this route (complicated, privacy issues, smolt is off by default) > Does this sound sane? I don't know enough about how icons work to know > if I've missed something. I want to add that we are not sure at this time which icon set will be used in F10 as default, we try to have Echo but we may end staying one more cycle with Mist (but this should be easy to solve, both themes are using the same naming structure). > [1] https://fedorahosted.org/amber/ -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From hellcomdev at gmail.com Tue Jul 15 06:44:20 2008 From: hellcomdev at gmail.com (RazGriz) Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2008 03:44:20 -0300 Subject: Theme propose reloaded . Message-ID: <1f0d49220807142344k5c5f4fcdv58310589c29e23d8@mail.gmail.com> Just the final version of my theme proposal concept. =] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Image:Simmetricalreloaded.png http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/F10Themes/simmetricalfreedom -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From sstorari at byte-code.com Tue Jul 15 07:47:42 2008 From: sstorari at byte-code.com (Samuele Storari) Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2008 09:47:42 +0200 (CEST) Subject: R: Re: F10 artwork schedule - time to close proposals? In-Reply-To: <1f0d49220807142209n76161c25y52cdcef13ab45ac5@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1630249008.28801216108062936.JavaMail.root@mail.byte-code.com> +1 I think it's good go to the next step and turn all the proposal in something real. Samuele ----- Messaggio originale ----- Da: "RazGriz" A: "Discussions about the artwork included with Fedora, including icons, themes, and wallpapers." Inviato: Marted?, 15 luglio 2008 7:09:43 GMT +01:00 Amsterdam/Berlino/Berna/Roma/Stoccolma/Vienna Oggetto: Re: F10 artwork schedule - time to close proposals? +1. On Tue, Jul 15, 2008 at 12:02 AM, M?ir?n Duffy < duffy at fedoraproject.org > wrote: Ian Weller wrote: On Mon, 14 Jul 2008, M?ir?n Duffy wrote: We've an overwhelming number of proposals for F10 now. Should we close new proposals for F10 so we don't have our focus spread across too many ideas? Give everyone another week. Some people may be working on proposals right now. Good idea! Is everyone okay with closing it on July 21st? Also, we should probably go through the proposals missing the requirements and remind the proposers to fully fill them out or pull them. A matrix on the wiki page might help. It also might help to have a wiki page with the requirements for each stage, with examples from previous releases' successful themes. Maybe I can talk with you tomorrow about what exactly the requirements are and I can compile the pages... We do have a page with the requirements; they have been the same since F7: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/F10Themes#How_to_Play Basically: - have a good *concept* - create a wiki page with: - a theme name - initial sketches (at least one is what we usually say, and they can be examples or references to other artwork) - an explanation of the concept and how it relates to Fedora - the proposer must have a signed CLA Having examples of good ones from previous versions of Fedora would be awesome! :) ~m _______________________________________________ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list at redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list -- RazGriz The Solo_-Wing. Diretor de Arte GNU-LIA--= www.gnu-lia.org 2 Tons Comunica??o Revista Fedora Brasil Portal O-Gimp -=-=:Quem constr?i a realidade ? voc?. _______________________________________________ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list at redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list -- Samuele Storari Art Director Byte-Code srl mobile: +39 347 50 798 32 office: +39 02 9840047 http://www.byte-code.com From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Tue Jul 15 07:55:00 2008 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2008 10:55:00 +0300 Subject: Theme propose reloaded . In-Reply-To: <1f0d49220807142344k5c5f4fcdv58310589c29e23d8@mail.gmail.com> References: <1f0d49220807142344k5c5f4fcdv58310589c29e23d8@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <487C57D4.7090401@nicubunu.ro> RazGriz wrote: > > Just the final version of my theme proposal concept. =] > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Image:Simmetricalreloaded.png While I am impressed by the technical al achievement, this may be a bit to much symmetry for an effective wallpaper. Looking at it for more than a few seconds I start to feel a bit dizzy (but it may also be because it is morning here, I am partly asleep, do not use to drink coffee and worked myself with some photo effects) -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From hellcomdev at gmail.com Tue Jul 15 08:22:06 2008 From: hellcomdev at gmail.com (RazGriz) Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2008 05:22:06 -0300 Subject: Theme propose reloaded . In-Reply-To: <487C57D4.7090401@nicubunu.ro> References: <1f0d49220807142344k5c5f4fcdv58310589c29e23d8@mail.gmail.com> <487C57D4.7090401@nicubunu.ro> Message-ID: <1f0d49220807150122g61bece2cn344845023ea79944@mail.gmail.com> Hehe, the sun just woke up here too, it is just the concept , lets wait th dead line first round , and if my theme get a chance to proceed to the second round i'll see a wallpaper of it =]. On Tue, Jul 15, 2008 at 4:55 AM, Nicu Buculei wrote: > RazGriz wrote: > >> >> Just the final version of my theme proposal concept. =] >> >> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Image:Simmetricalreloaded.png >> > > While I am impressed by the technical al achievement, this may be a bit to > much symmetry for an effective wallpaper. Looking at it for more than a few > seconds I start to feel a bit dizzy (but it may also be because it is > morning here, I am partly asleep, do not use to drink coffee and worked > myself with some photo effects) > > -- > nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com > Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ > Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org > my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list > -- RazGriz The Solo_-Wing. Diretor de Arte GNU-LIA--=www.gnu-lia.org 2 Tons Comunica??o Revista Fedora Brasil Portal O-Gimp -=-=:Quem constr?i a realidade ? voc?. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From stlwrt at gmail.com Tue Jul 15 08:26:59 2008 From: stlwrt at gmail.com (Pavel Shevchuk) Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2008 11:26:59 +0300 Subject: F10 theme: Spectrum In-Reply-To: <487B87D0.108@redhat.com> References: <743398816.31591213699459080.JavaMail.root@mail.byte-code.com> <4877DB0F.1040908@redhat.com> <1215815333.27713.68.camel@pc-notebook> <487820EE.5000403@redhat.com> <487B5F96.4030107@redhat.com> <487B8060.5080304@fedoraproject.org> <487B8393.9080008@redhat.com> <1216054936.2947.56.camel@pc-notebook> <487B87D0.108@redhat.com> Message-ID: In KDE4 it's not hard at all =) http://stalwart.fedorapeople.org/fedorapeople_kde4/1.png http://stalwart.fedorapeople.org/fedorapeople_kde4/2.png (these two files uploaded using drag'n'drop in dolphin) On Mon, Jul 14, 2008 at 8:07 PM, Mike Langlie wrote: > Martin Sourada wrote: >> >> On Mon, 2008-07-14 at 12:49 -0400, Mike Langlie wrote: >> >>> >>> How do I upload something directly to my people account? >>> Having a hard time figuring that out. >>> >>> Mike >>> >>> >> >> It's actually pretty easy and you can do it even using nautilus, but I >> find more convenient to use mc. Here are the steps: >> >> * open terminal >> * open mc in terminal >> * in one panel navigate to the folder you have the file in >> * switch to the other panel (hit tab) >> * hit F9, enter the menu, and select shell link >> * enter the machine name in format: >> .fedorapeople.org >> in my case it's mso.fedorapeople.org >> * hit OK. You'll be probably asked for a password to your ssh key - >> watch the "command line" to see what's happening >> * once you're in, navigate into >> /home/fedora//public_html >> in my case it's /home/fedora/mso/public_html >> * switch back to the first panel >> * select the file you want to upload (either by hitting insert, or >> highlighting it) >> * hit F5 to copy, you can leave the form as is and hit OK >> * watch the progress in the "command line" >> * after you're done, close mc and the terminal >> >> Martin >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Fedora-art-list mailing list >> Fedora-art-list at redhat.com >> http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list >> > > Thanks Martin. Is there a way to do it without using Terminal? > (For us lowly Mac users who aren't schooled in such things...) > > Mike > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list > -- http://scwlab.com From wonderer4711 at gmx.de Tue Jul 15 09:34:13 2008 From: wonderer4711 at gmx.de (wonderer4711 at gmx.de) Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2008 11:34:13 +0200 Subject: new Artwork ideas for FC10 In-Reply-To: <487C3827.40703@fedoraproject.org> References: <487B6F21.9070504@gmx.de> <487C3827.40703@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <487C6F15.50909@gmx.de> M?ir?n Duffy schrieb: > wonderer wrote: >> Hy together, >> >> in order to a small discussion of the upcoming FC10 Artwork on the >> marketing-list I had some ideas I would like to give here for further >> comments. >> I has the thought if we can't think a bit bigger for FC10?! This is >> the 10th Version of an Operatingsystem. 10th Anniversery. We have a >> one and THEN the null behind. We have decades going forward... >> >> So just some thoughts/ideas we could have: >> - collect some/all the (unpublished) Artwork of the years and put >> them together or remaster some of "the old" ideas, made them retro or >> so. > > This seems an interesting idea and has been proposed at least 3 other > times. However, it seems no one has been interested in it enough to > follow through. Maybe you could be the person to make this happen? I'm to short in here and I did not know much of the guys, so it was only my first idea if I read about that here... > >> - ask VIP's (let your imagination flow who this could be...) make >> some Artwork. I don't mean that as a blow against the art-team or so >> (Nicu Buculei mentioned such a thing) but it CAN be a way to have >> lets say unusual stuff in here. > > I think we have more than enough ideas right now for F10 that we don't > need to go out and ask for more to add more to the pool. Ok, then you can put that on the list for later ;-) > >> an (maybe bad) example: let Stallman scribble the fedora Logo and >> work that out or ask people like Doc Baumann, Linus Torwalds, Mark >> Shuttleworth or such guys. > > I don't know if Mark Shuttleworth would be all that interested in > contributing to Fedora. Just a hunch. :-p > > What is the meaning behind doing this? How does it relate to Fedora? > It seems to be promoting celebrity over expertise, no? Technical > people doing art = people doing something outside of their expertise? > What does that say about Fedora? Is celebrity really valued in Fedora? It was only an idea. You can shuffle the people also to Bill Gates, George Bush or whatever you have in mind! You can also take RH Developers or Chair Members or Fedora Enthusiasts over the past X years. Do you know the Apple "Think different" Ad?! The idea CAN be valluable for marketing. Fedora is like all other Linux Distributions in many Countrys the geek-OS. I know not as many Girls and women who uses Linux as there are Wind$s using Girls. So that point would be more adressed to marketing... > >> maybe we can work out lets say 12 different VIP Pics or scribbles >> for that. >> - put in some photos as backgrounds, maybe from big events or >> meetings... >> there are few Pictures as backgrounds, but many people have some. >> There are many ways to put in lets say "faces of fedora" in a smooth >> way... > > Do you have any pictures to suggest? I know some public Pictures of Linuxtag here in Germany on flickr.com. For other countrys maybe other people can share their pics. > >> - best of artwork-artwork: any Artworker give one bit of his work to >> another and let him or her work that out, let your minds flow, >> cooperate, work out things together, etc. > > This is what our art process involves right now. :) Ah, ok. Thanks. best regards Henrik Heigl // wonderer @ fedoraproject.org // From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Tue Jul 15 09:40:31 2008 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2008 12:40:31 +0300 Subject: F10 artwork schedule - time to close proposals? In-Reply-To: <487C135E.8050201@fedoraproject.org> References: <487C0EC4.4070208@fedoraproject.org> <487C135E.8050201@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <487C708F.1060004@nicubunu.ro> M?ir?n Duffy wrote: > Ian Weller wrote: >> On Mon, 14 Jul 2008, M?ir?n Duffy wrote: >>> We've an overwhelming number of proposals for F10 now. Should we close >>> new proposals for F10 so we don't have our focus spread across too many >>> ideas? >>> >> Give everyone another week. Some people may be working on proposals >> right now. > > Good idea! Is everyone okay with closing it on July 21st? Fine by me. I uploaded one more concept (steampunk photography) and do not have anything major on the horizon. -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From stickster at gmail.com Tue Jul 15 12:56:26 2008 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2008 08:56:26 -0400 Subject: F10 artwork schedule - time to close proposals? In-Reply-To: <487C0EC4.4070208@fedoraproject.org> References: <487C0EC4.4070208@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <1216126586.6934.4.camel@victoria> On Mon, 2008-07-14 at 22:43 -0400, M?ir?n Duffy wrote: > Hey folks, > > We've an overwhelming number of proposals for F10 now. Should we close > new proposals for F10 so we don't have our focus spread across too many > ideas? > > Also, we should probably go through the proposals missing the > requirements and remind the proposers to fully fill them out or pull them. > > It would be cool if we could form teams around a core set of proposals > and kind of battle it out :) Layer Tennis, anyone? http://layertennis.com/index.php -- Paul W. Frields gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://paul.frields.org/ - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Or just having the power to accept our own proposal is not that great and start playing with a concept proposed by someone else (maybe bringing an idea or two from the abandoned work). -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From rnorwood at redhat.com Tue Jul 15 15:06:48 2008 From: rnorwood at redhat.com (Robin Norwood) Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2008 11:06:48 -0400 Subject: Choosing the 'right' icon for an application In-Reply-To: <487C4241.4030903@nicubunu.ro> References: <20080714130043.36702a2b@solitude.devel.redhat.com> <487C4241.4030903@nicubunu.ro> Message-ID: <20080715110648.76ea67c6@solitude.devel.redhat.com> On Tue, 15 Jul 2008 09:22:57 +0300 Nicu Buculei wrote: > Robin Norwood wrote: > > o Pick an appropriately-sized icon png (probably 48x48). > > - We could also store svg instead of png. > > I don't think there is a need to store the SVG, there is no > straightforward way to embed in in a web page (and have it rendered > correctly by all browsers). Cool. I was thinking perhaps convert to png's at the desired size on the server side, but that doesn't seem as straightforward as I'd hoped. png's should be fine. > > o When picking an icon to show the user, pick the one from their > > currently-selected theme and OS (if we know it), falling back to an > > icon from the Fedora or 'generic' theme. > > I am curious to identify which icon theme is the user using. The > browser does not know this info, the only way I can imagine it > working is to have smolt reporting the theme and link data from smolt > with amber. I don't think you want to go this route (complicated, > privacy issues, smolt is off by default) Ah. Well, to do the actual package install, we'll be using a browser plugin (probably) which will probably send us some limited information - like what version of Fedora the user is running, for instance. It might be possible to include the current theme in this info. > > Does this sound sane? I don't know enough about how icons work to > > know if I've missed something. > > I want to add that we are not sure at this time which icon set will > be used in F10 as default, we try to have Echo but we may end staying > one more cycle with Mist (but this should be easy to solve, both > themes are using the same naming structure). OK. I'll keep an eye out on this list for updates. Thanks, -RN -- Robin Norwood Red Hat, Inc. "The Sage does nothing, yet nothing remains undone." -Lao Tzu, Te Tao Ching From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Tue Jul 15 15:27:44 2008 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2008 18:27:44 +0300 Subject: Choosing the 'right' icon for an application In-Reply-To: <20080715110648.76ea67c6@solitude.devel.redhat.com> References: <20080714130043.36702a2b@solitude.devel.redhat.com> <487C4241.4030903@nicubunu.ro> <20080715110648.76ea67c6@solitude.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <487CC1F0.8050209@nicubunu.ro> Robin Norwood wrote: > Nicu Buculei wrote: >> I am curious to identify which icon theme is the user using. The >> browser does not know this info, the only way I can imagine it >> working is to have smolt reporting the theme and link data from smolt >> with amber. I don't think you want to go this route (complicated, >> privacy issues, smolt is off by default) > > Ah. Well, to do the actual package install, we'll be using a browser > plugin (probably) which will probably send us some limited information > - like what version of Fedora the user is running, for instance. It > might be possible to include the current theme in this info. So you will probably make available in the application icons from Mist, Echo and Tango (the icon sets are most likely to be installed at users, maybe add here the default KDE theme) and fall back to whatever is Fedora's default for any other set? -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From michael.e.mccumber at gmail.com Tue Jul 15 18:58:55 2008 From: michael.e.mccumber at gmail.com (Michael McCumber) Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2008 14:58:55 -0400 Subject: michael.e.mccumber@gmail.com In-Reply-To: <1216068666.3210.17.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <487bb9c6.8905be0a.2b9f.5b5c@mx.google.com> <1216068666.3210.17.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <487cf372.e203be0a.2316.ffffc38c@mx.google.com> thanks -----Original Message----- From: fedora-art-list-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:fedora-art-list-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Martin Sourada Sent: Monday, July 14, 2008 4:51 PM To: Discussions about the artwork included with Fedora, including icons, themes, and wallpapers. Subject: Re: michael.e.mccumber at gmail.com On Mon, 2008-07-14 at 16:40 -0400, Michael McCumber wrote: > To introduce myself I am a very young programmer but I have had > experience among designing in Flash Illustrator photoshop ect? I > just want to help and contribute toward the Fedora community and > designing artwork such as desktops icons images ect would be my > strength. Hi, welcome to the team. We usually use open tools here - mainly gimp, inkscape and blender. Since you mentioned you'd like to help with icons (among other things), which is one of my main interests in Fedora, I'd like you to provide some useful links that should help you get started with the icon theme we are designing especially for Fedora: https://fedorahosted.org/echo-icon-theme/ https://fedorahosted.org/echo-icon-theme/wiki/Guidelines https://fedorahosted.org/echo-icon-theme/wiki/Guidelines/OnTheTablePerspective http://mso.fedorapeople.org/screencasts/git%20-%2001%20-%20setting-up% 20the%20repository.mkv https://fedorahosted.org/echo-icon-theme/wiki/WorkingWithGit https://fedorahosted.org/echo-icon-theme/wiki/AddingNewIconSet https://fedorahosted.org/echo-icon-theme/wiki/ToDo You are more than welcome to help either by commenting on these pages/screen-casts or creating new icons :-) Martin From martin.sourada at gmail.com Tue Jul 15 21:21:41 2008 From: martin.sourada at gmail.com (Martin Sourada) Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2008 23:21:41 +0200 Subject: [F-10 Feature?] Nodoka notification theme In-Reply-To: <1216072677.3259.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1216029807.2947.47.camel@pc-notebook> <1216049549.3259.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1216067200.3210.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1216072677.3259.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1216156901.3034.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Mon, 2008-07-14 at 17:57 -0400, Matthias Clasen wrote: > Please try tomorrows rawhide. I think both issues should be fixed. > Yeah, both issues seem to be fixed after the update to latest versions of notification-daemon (I tested it using network-manager and notify-send) and control-center. Thanks, Martin -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 197 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From luya at fedoraproject.org Wed Jul 16 07:30:38 2008 From: luya at fedoraproject.org (Luya Tshimbalanga) Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2008 00:30:38 -0700 Subject: [Echo] preference-system-date sketches In-Reply-To: <1215642520.27713.29.camel@pc-notebook> References: <487471A1.9080203@fedoraproject.org> <1215642520.27713.29.camel@pc-notebook> Message-ID: <487DA39E.8050707@fedoraproject.org> Martin Sourada a ?crit : > I think the metaphor is good. Did you tried adding a calendar, or did > you just suppose it would be cluttered if you added it? > > As for the drawing itself - the 48x48 PNG you attached is actually 72x72 > (not a big issue in this part of the process), the clock-face is > slightly off the perspective (or at least the axonometric grid), to me > it looks like simple rotation slightly counter-clock-wise might fix > that, and the bar at 6 o'clock is blurry in the 32x32, probably as a > result of the clock-face perspective issue as the minute hand, which > should have same X position, is crisp. > > Sorry that it took some times due to class schedule. I added calendar on the background. I might consider using a more compact calender with only number. Feedback is welcome. Luya http://luya.fedoraproject.org/echo/applications/ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I added calendar on > the background. > I might consider using a more compact calender with only number. > Feedback is welcome. > > Luya > > http://luya.fedoraproject.org/echo/applications/ I think it would work with the calendar. Could you however try different design? The current one slightly resembles calculator... Perhaps something like x-office-calendar? Martin -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Luya From martin.sourada at gmail.com Wed Jul 16 10:49:36 2008 From: martin.sourada at gmail.com (Martin Sourada) Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2008 12:49:36 +0200 Subject: [Echo] preference-system-date sketches In-Reply-To: <487DB385.5030705@fedoraproject.org> References: <487471A1.9080203@fedoraproject.org> <1215642520.27713.29.camel@pc-notebook> <487DA39E.8050707@fedoraproject.org> <1216195480.2975.1.camel@pc-notebook> <487DB385.5030705@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <1216205376.2975.6.camel@pc-notebook> On Wed, 2008-07-16 at 01:38 -0700, Luya Tshimbalanga wrote: > Martin Sourada a ?crit : > > I think it would work with the calendar. Could you however try different > > design? The current one slightly resembles calculator... Perhaps > > something like x-office-calendar? > > > > > x-office-calendar is definitely a good choice. Would you mind to choose > a random number between 1-31? > > Luya > Gnumeric's first choice was 7 which I incidentally had on my mind as well, so how about that? Martin -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 197 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From rnorwood at redhat.com Wed Jul 16 13:58:58 2008 From: rnorwood at redhat.com (Robin Norwood) Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2008 09:58:58 -0400 Subject: Choosing the 'right' icon for an application In-Reply-To: <487CC1F0.8050209@nicubunu.ro> References: <20080714130043.36702a2b@solitude.devel.redhat.com> <487C4241.4030903@nicubunu.ro> <20080715110648.76ea67c6@solitude.devel.redhat.com> <487CC1F0.8050209@nicubunu.ro> Message-ID: <20080716095858.03a37843@solitude.devel.redhat.com> On Tue, 15 Jul 2008 18:27:44 +0300 Nicu Buculei wrote: > So you will probably make available in the application icons from > Mist, Echo and Tango (the icon sets are most likely to be installed > at users, maybe add here the default KDE theme) and fall back to > whatever is Fedora's default for any other set? Yes, exactly. I should have the data imported and displayed in a day or two, except for the part where the webapp knows what theme the user is using. Thanks, -RN -- Robin Norwood Red Hat, Inc. "The Sage does nothing, yet nothing remains undone." -Lao Tzu, Te Tao Ching From martin.sourada at gmail.com Wed Jul 16 17:52:42 2008 From: martin.sourada at gmail.com (Martin Sourada) Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2008 19:52:42 +0200 Subject: [Echo] preferences-system-firewall sketches In-Reply-To: <48767D06.9060204@fedoraproject.org> References: <1215537357.25685.10.camel@pc-notebook> <1215633828.27713.12.camel@pc-notebook> <48751F2B.1050904@fedoraproject.org> <64b33fc70807091858l55cee5cbv93de401fc2a033ac@mail.gmail.com> <1215724239.27713.45.camel@pc-notebook> <48767D06.9060204@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <1216230762.2975.12.camel@pc-notebook> On Thu, 2008-07-10 at 17:20 -0400, M?ir?n Duffy wrote: > I have an idea. How about instead of having a gradient from say black to > the red, try a transparent dark green => clear alpha gradient on top of > the red? I don't know if that works in on-screen artwork but the way you > do shadows in painting is to add the complementary color to the main > color to darken it rather than just add black. > From what you suggest it seems same like trying gradient from brown to red, however, the reason that I didn't liked even darker version was that it was simply too dark, out of place the other icons. > Or, what might result in the same effect, is make the red a gradient > from a darker/desaturated red to a brighter more saturated red. If you > limit the total area covered by the super bright red the icon might be a > little less harsh on the eyes but the splash of bright color will still > preserve the echo bright color palette. > > ~m That was precisely what I tried when I attempted making it darker. 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Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 197 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From duffy at fedoraproject.org Wed Jul 16 23:42:03 2008 From: duffy at fedoraproject.org (=?UTF-8?B?TcOhaXLDrW4gRHVmZnk=?=) Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2008 19:42:03 -0400 Subject: [Echo] preferences-system-firewall sketches In-Reply-To: <1216230762.2975.12.camel@pc-notebook> References: <1215537357.25685.10.camel@pc-notebook> <1215633828.27713.12.camel@pc-notebook> <48751F2B.1050904@fedoraproject.org> <64b33fc70807091858l55cee5cbv93de401fc2a033ac@mail.gmail.com> <1215724239.27713.45.camel@pc-notebook> <48767D06.9060204@fedoraproject.org> <1216230762.2975.12.camel@pc-notebook> Message-ID: <487E874B.3000109@fedoraproject.org> Martin Sourada wrote: > On Thu, 2008-07-10 at 17:20 -0400, M?ir?n Duffy wrote: >> I have an idea. How about instead of having a gradient from say black to >> the red, try a transparent dark green => clear alpha gradient on top of >> the red? I don't know if that works in on-screen artwork but the way you >> do shadows in painting is to add the complementary color to the main >> color to darken it rather than just add black. >> > From what you suggest it seems same like trying gradient from brown to > red, however, the reason that I didn't liked even darker version was > that it was simply too dark, out of place the other icons. > >> Or, what might result in the same effect, is make the red a gradient >> from a darker/desaturated red to a brighter more saturated red. If you >> limit the total area covered by the super bright red the icon might be a >> little less harsh on the eyes but the splash of bright color will still >> preserve the echo bright color palette. >> >> ~m > That was precisely what I tried when I attempted making it darker. > > Anyway, I've finished other sizes for the orange version, I attach the > PNGs, sources can be find at the usual place [1]. These look so much better, great job! ~m From transnetinformatica at googlepage.zzn.com Thu Jul 17 08:17:36 2008 From: transnetinformatica at googlepage.zzn.com (TransNet =?iso-8859-1?B?SW5mb3Jt4XRpY2E=?=) Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 05:17:36 -0300 Subject: new Artwork ideas for FC10 Message-ID: Well, I'm a new artworker (or I'm trying to be it, at least) in Fedora's artwork team, sincerely I don't jnow about other artworkers, but my opinio is your idea is good enough, even for remembering all those gys whose made Fedora to be just what it is! You thougt greatly. DruPen P.S. I don't know how to put some ideas at Fedora's discusion list and how to colaborate with the team. Discusion lists for me is a new thing, I'm "blind", but I would like to desing, translate into Portugues and so on...Tell me whow. TransNet Inform?tica Evolu??o Constante Get your Free E-mail at http://www.googlepage.zzn.com ____________________________________________________________ Obtenha seu Servi?o de Correio eletr?nico Baseado na Web Service em http://www.zzn.com From martin.sourada at gmail.com Thu Jul 17 11:44:03 2008 From: martin.sourada at gmail.com (Martin Sourada) Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 13:44:03 +0200 Subject: [Echo] palette adjustment proposal In-Reply-To: <1215072095.6536.60.camel@pc-notebook> References: <1215072095.6536.60.camel@pc-notebook> Message-ID: <1216295043.3232.5.camel@pc-notebook> On Thu, 2008-07-03 at 10:01 +0200, Martin Sourada wrote: > Hi, > > based on some discussion with Mark, I decided to suggest slight > adjustment to the brown part of the Echo palette. See the attachments > for comparison between the new one and the old one, the colour changes > are: > > old -> new > ------------------ > #ffc022 -> #eccd84 > #b88100 -> #d49725 > #804d00 -> #804d00 > > Comments and suggestions welcome. > > Martin OK, it's been two weeks since then and so far only one little complaint, that I think is not a show-stopper, and some positive reactions. So, unless there are any strong objections, I'll change the guideline officially at Sunday or Monday. Please bear in mind when considering objections, that some adjustment of used colours in icons is permitted, as per this note in the guidelines: "The common practice when drawing icons is to use the palette as a base, applying it on large areas. Shading with gradients, creating highlights and shadows by changing value, and minor changes of saturation are also allowed and endorsed. Colors do not have to come exclusively from this set, as additional colors may be used. Starting from the base color and changing value, saturation or even hue slightly gives more consistent results than starting from arbitrary colors." Thanks, Martin -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 197 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From martin.sourada at gmail.com Thu Jul 17 20:55:36 2008 From: martin.sourada at gmail.com (Martin Sourada) Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 22:55:36 +0200 Subject: [Nodoka GTK2 Engine] Gathering ideas for next release Message-ID: <1216328136.3232.28.camel@pc-notebook> Hi, I am thinking about improving the nodoka gtk engine looks in the next release and adding some configuration options. Therefore I am asking here, if you have ideas, requests, ... what I might implement. Today I started sketching new nodoka gradient (used in e.g. buttons), which is basically an evolvement of the current one which will be available as a configuration option. Next things on the schedule are: * improvement of the check/radio button design * improvement of various arrows used in nodoka (e.g. in scrollbars, menus or drop-down menus) * improvement of handles design (I am satisfied neither with the circles nor stripes) * improvement of design of combo of entries with buttons (combo box entries, spin buttons, ...) * improvement of progress bar design (I see there a possibility for usage of various designs, with a configuration option to choose) * improvement of focus rings design (it's part of some of the above tasks as well) * possibly add some gradient to panel (I am still not sure, how to do it right) As you can see it's rather a lot of work, and thus there is a possibility it will not be in Fedora 10, though certainly I make it in time for Fedora 11 (I promise :-p). And why I am writing this? Partly to write what I have in mind, but mostly because I need your cooperation. So far I have in mind few ideas how to achieve the above tasks, but I'd like to hear your ideas as well - after all, Fedora Artwork is not done by one, but by many people, and this is one of the vital parts of the Fedora Artwork. I attach the first button redesign sketch ;-) Once I gather enough ideas I'll put them on wiki, so everyone could see and comment on the "official" next version design ;-) Comments welcome, tear me to pieces :-D Thanks, Martin PS: I'll most likely be the one doing the coding, but feel free to suggest whatever you have in mind, as long as there are no "colour jumps" (the glass effects present e.g. in Murrine). 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As usual, > comments are welcome :-) > > Thanks, > Martin > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list > > -- I'm still learning English.. Mr Jiri Jakub Masek (Ji?? Jakub Ma?ek) Moravia, Czech Republic, European Union -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From scriptdevil at gmail.com Sun Jul 20 07:47:55 2008 From: scriptdevil at gmail.com (Ashok Gautham) Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2008 13:17:55 +0530 Subject: Intro Message-ID: My name is Ashok Gautham. I prefer the nick ScriptDevil I am a UG student in India. I can work with Gimp. I am learning blender at the moment. But it may take quite some time. I have been using gnu/linux for around 4 years now. My primary distros are Archlinux and Fedora. I designed an artwork for xubuntu's hardy heron release. but it wasnt approved because it was too big for the page http://www.flickr.com/photos/11023958 at N08/2419085144/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/11023958 at N08/2419769741/sizes/o/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/11023958 at N08/2419085144/sizes/o/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/11023958 at N08/2418002154/ I am willing to contribute to fedora. I am more than happy to be of help :D - ScriptDevil -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Mon Jul 21 06:37:05 2008 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2008 09:37:05 +0300 Subject: [Nodoka GTK2 Engine] Gathering ideas for next release In-Reply-To: <26011d820807182153s3693809buf534ca2a86d1fcc7@mail.gmail.com> References: <1216328136.3232.28.camel@pc-notebook> <1216402840.3232.36.camel@pc-notebook> <26011d820807182153s3693809buf534ca2a86d1fcc7@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <48842E91.7060009@nicubunu.ro> Ji?? Jakub Ma?ek wrote: > Hi, I prefer the variant of 14,17,20,23 (in the right column) shapes > from radio-check.png, low noise, good readable... Uh... those are not different choices but all the possible states for those controls. > 2008/7/18 Martin Sourada: > > On Thu, 2008-07-17 at 22:55 +0200, Martin Sourada wrote: > > * improvement of the check/radio button design > I've just finished new design sketch for those. It's rather radical > change compared to current looks, but IMHO it's badly needed. As usual, > comments are welcome :-) Yup, it is a radical change, now they look really themed (worth talking about it as a feature). -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Mon Jul 21 09:29:44 2008 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2008 12:29:44 +0300 Subject: Intro In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <48845708.9080702@nicubunu.ro> Ashok Gautham wrote: > My name is Ashok Gautham. I prefer the nick ScriptDevil Hi and welcome! > I am a UG student in India. I can work with Gimp. I am learning blender > at the moment. But it may take quite some time. I have been using We can use some Blender expertise and GIMP is always useful. > gnu/linux for around 4 years now. My primary distros are Archlinux and > Fedora. I designed an artwork for xubuntu's hardy heron release. but it And you still wanted to contribute to Ubuntu despite not being the distribution you use the most? > wasnt approved because it was too big for the page > http://www.flickr.com/photos/11023958 at N08/2419085144/ > http://www.flickr.com/photos/11023958 at N08/2419769741/sizes/o/ > http://www.flickr.com/photos/11023958 at N08/2419085144/sizes/o/ > http://www.flickr.com/photos/11023958 at N08/2418002154/ Maybe they had some other concerns, like they looked for a different style or maybe have not liked the graphics enough? > I am willing to contribute to fedora. I am more than happy to be of help Have a look at our open requests queue and see if you find there something you'd like to work on: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/DesignService. -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From martin.sourada at gmail.com Mon Jul 21 11:41:16 2008 From: martin.sourada at gmail.com (Martin Sourada) Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2008 13:41:16 +0200 Subject: [Nodoka GTK2 Engine] Gathering ideas for next release - wiki is up In-Reply-To: <48842E91.7060009@nicubunu.ro> References: <1216328136.3232.28.camel@pc-notebook> <1216402840.3232.36.camel@pc-notebook> <26011d820807182153s3693809buf534ca2a86d1fcc7@mail.gmail.com> <48842E91.7060009@nicubunu.ro> Message-ID: <1216640476.3734.7.camel@pc-notebook> > Yup, it is a radical change, now they look really themed (worth talking > about it as a feature). > Probably yes. Considering that the Feature freeze for F10 is nearing and I haven't finished yet with the sketching, I'll push it for Fedora 11, while in Fedora 10 we'll have new notification theme [1], maybe the Echo icons and some minor improvements to the gtk theme/engine. Also, as the number of my sketches is increasing, I've prepared a wiki page [2] to keep them together with other information regarding the 0.8.x branch of gtk-nodoka-engine. Suggestions and comments welcome :-) Thanks, Martin References: [1] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/NodokaNotificationTheme [2] https://fedorahosted.org/nodoka/wiki/0.8.x_Brainstorm -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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So i wanted to contribute > > > wasnt approved because it was too big for the page >> http://www.flickr.com/photos/11023958 at N08/2419085144/ >> http://www.flickr.com/photos/11023958 at N08/2419769741/sizes/o/ >> http://www.flickr.com/photos/11023958 at N08/2419085144/sizes/o/ >> http://www.flickr.com/photos/11023958 at N08/2418002154/ >> > > Maybe they had some other concerns, like they looked for a different style > or maybe have not liked the graphics enough? > vincent, who handles the site told me that it was too big for the page. And yeah... I agree there was a lil too much of graphic content in it Thanks : :D btw... how do I get myself approved in the artwork group? ScriptDevil -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Note that membership is the FAS group is not a requirement to be part of the team, it only formalize it a bit. -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Mon Jul 21 15:32:56 2008 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2008 18:32:56 +0300 Subject: Intro In-Reply-To: <4884AB77.9040603@nicubunu.ro> References: <48845708.9080702@nicubunu.ro> <4884AB77.9040603@nicubunu.ro> Message-ID: <4884AC28.3000608@nicubunu.ro> Nicu Buculei wrote: > Ashok Gautham wrote: >> >> btw... how do I get myself approved in the artwork group? > > Complete a request from the DesignService queue (I linked to it in my > previous message) and someone (me?) will approve you, this is "the rule" Uh... lame reply to myself: or create any other useful/quality graphic for Fedora, it may be an Echo icon or anything else, even something informal. -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From martin.sourada at gmail.com Tue Jul 22 09:25:45 2008 From: martin.sourada at gmail.com (Martin Sourada) Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2008 11:25:45 +0200 Subject: [Mist/gnome-icon-theme] Missing symlinks in rawhide Message-ID: <1216718745.3211.21.camel@localhost.localdomain> Hi, I recall andreasn called for cooperation in hunting bad citizens in case of icons usage. As I am on rawhide right now, where the icon-theme-utils are not used for generating symlinks in Mist and gnome-icon-theme, I though I could point out some icons that are "missing" ;-) From what I noticed, there are these missing icons in the gnome menus: * Applications -> Sound & Video -> Avidemux Video Editor (GTK) - gnome-multimedia - avidemux-2.4.2-1.lvn10.i386 * Applications -> System Tools -> Disk Management - disks - usermode-1.97-1.i386 * System -> Help - gnome-help - yelp-2.22.1-2.fc10.i386 * System -> Preferences -> Hardware -> Mouse - gnome-dev-mouse-optical - control-center-2.23.4-4.fc10.i386 * System -> Preferences -> System -> Authorisations - gtk-dialog-authentication - PolicyKit-gnome-0.8-5.fc10.i386 * System -> Administration -> Add/Remove Software - system-software-installer - gnome-packagekit-0.2.3-4.20080618.fc10.i386 * System -> Administration -> Users and Groups - system-config-users - system-config-users-1.2.80-1.fc10.noarch In addition to that icon for System -> Administration falls back to bluecurve (I am not sure what icon name it uses). Places -> Bookmarks uses icon with old gnome design (I am not sure here either about the icon name). I believe it could use same icon as epiphany uses. Also I noticed that the icon that appears in evolution's status bar (on close button) is displayed as broken image (I believe) instead of the traditional close icon. Martin -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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In not necessarily unrelated news, we can vote for the F10 release name: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/voting/about/relnamef10 [1] - https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-art-list/2008-July/msg00184.html [2] - http://nicubunu.blogspot.com/2008/07/fedora-10-themes-round-1.html [3] - http://forums.fedoraforum.org/showthread.php?p=1050722 -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From frankly3d at gmail.com Tue Jul 22 12:55:51 2008 From: frankly3d at gmail.com (Frank Murphy) Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2008 13:55:51 +0100 Subject: Aologies for lack of input Message-ID: <1216731351.25428.5.camel@frank-01> as subject says, having a hard time with the boxes since dumping XP. learning is hard, (to me). and this doesn't help: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=442250 Hopefully can read up on some stuff over rest of summer. Frank From gort.klaatu at gmail.com Thu Jul 24 04:40:57 2008 From: gort.klaatu at gmail.com (Klaatu and Gort) Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2008 21:40:57 -0700 Subject: F10 themes: Round 1 closed, time for feedback and Round 2 In-Reply-To: <4885D241.4000703@nicubunu.ro> References: <4885D241.4000703@nicubunu.ro> Message-ID: invinXble ftw it's been my favourite since it hit the mailing list. conceptually the steampunk/gears and all that old/new sci fi ideas have potential as well but IMHO invinXble is something i'd be really proud to have on my desktop, and to show to friends. - klaatu On Tue, Jul 22, 2008 at 5:27 AM, Nicu Buculei wrote: > Since the first round for F10 themes just ended [1], I wrote to my > (infamous) blog an article listing all the proposals, including thumbnails > and descriptions and asked for feedback (noting that the preferred way is > this mailing list). > > Also posted about it on FedoraForum [3]. > > In not necessarily unrelated news, we can vote for the F10 release name: > https://admin.fedoraproject.org/voting/about/relnamef10 > > [1] - > https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-art-list/2008-July/msg00184.html > [2] - http://nicubunu.blogspot.com/2008/07/fedora-10-themes-round-1.html > [3] - http://forums.fedoraforum.org/showthread.php?p=1050722 > > -- > nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com > Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ > Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org > my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list > -- --- uzu linukso. subtenu libera programaro. kotizu al http://www.thebadapples.info/ogg.xml http://www.thebadapples.info/fedorareloaded/ogg.xml -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Hylke Andy Fitzsimon schreef: > heya guys I was having a play today and built upon an old gtk theme > mockup I had. \ > (svgz attached) I sure would love nodoka to render it ;-) > > I didn't design it specifically for fedora but I hope someone here > finds it useful for future mocks. > Take it as public domain. > > Andy > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list > From pingou at pingoured.fr Thu Jul 24 12:34:58 2008 From: pingou at pingoured.fr (Pierre-Yves) Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2008 14:34:58 +0200 Subject: mockup gtk theme In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <488876F2.3040308@pingoured.fr> Andy Fitzsimon wrote: > heya guys I was having a play today and built upon an old gtk theme > mockup I had. \ > (svgz attached) I sure would love nodoka to render it ;-) > > I didn't design it specifically for fedora but I hope someone here > finds it useful for future mocks. > Take it as public domain. > I like it, really :) Well done ! Pierre From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Thu Jul 24 13:00:31 2008 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2008 16:00:31 +0300 Subject: mockup gtk theme In-Reply-To: <4888761C.5020808@student.rug.nl> References: <4888761C.5020808@student.rug.nl> Message-ID: <48887CEF.6020800@nicubunu.ro> Hylke Bons wrote: > That's beautiful. > I think this will fit well in my attempt to ressurect Bluecurve. :) > Thanks! The theme is shiny and good looking (in Andy's known style), but it is not blue and I would expect a theme called Bluecurve to have a lot of blue. PS: Hylke, are you working on a Bluecurve resurrection? Have any pretty pictures to show? > Andy Fitzsimon schreef: >> heya guys I was having a play today and built upon an old gtk theme >> mockup I had. \ >> (svgz attached) I sure would love nodoka to render it ;-) >> >> I didn't design it specifically for fedora but I hope someone here >> finds it useful for future mocks. >> Take it as public domain. -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From mclasen at redhat.com Thu Jul 24 14:11:47 2008 From: mclasen at redhat.com (Matthias Clasen) Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2008 10:11:47 -0400 Subject: mockup gtk theme In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1216908707.3552.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Thu, 2008-07-24 at 18:14 +0800, Andy Fitzsimon wrote: > heya guys I was having a play today and built upon an old gtk theme > mockup I had. \ > (svgz attached) I sure would love nodoka to render it ;-) > > I didn't design it specifically for fedora but I hope someone here > finds it useful for future mocks. > Take it as public domain. > Looks shiny. The reflection will have to remain a dream for now, I fear... From andyfitz at gmail.com Thu Jul 24 14:14:06 2008 From: andyfitz at gmail.com (Andy Fitzsimon) Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2008 00:14:06 +1000 Subject: mockup gtk theme In-Reply-To: <4888761C.5020808@student.rug.nl> References: <4888761C.5020808@student.rug.nl> Message-ID: are you seriously trying to resurrect bluecurve ? ive done a fair amount of bluecurve icons in the new style.. will send them to you when i get back to work Andy On Thu, Jul 24, 2008 at 10:31 PM, Hylke Bons wrote: > That's beautiful. > I think this will fit well in my attempt to ressurect Bluecurve. :) > Thanks! > > Hylke > > Andy Fitzsimon schreef: >> >> heya guys I was having a play today and built upon an old gtk theme >> mockup I had. \ >> (svgz attached) I sure would love nodoka to render it ;-) >> >> I didn't design it specifically for fedora but I hope someone here >> finds it useful for future mocks. >> Take it as public domain. >> >> Andy >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Fedora-art-list mailing list >> Fedora-art-list at redhat.com >> http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list >> > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list > From andyfitz at gmail.com Thu Jul 24 14:18:05 2008 From: andyfitz at gmail.com (Andy Fitzsimon) Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2008 00:18:05 +1000 Subject: mockup gtk theme In-Reply-To: <48887CEF.6020800@nicubunu.ro> References: <4888761C.5020808@student.rug.nl> <48887CEF.6020800@nicubunu.ro> Message-ID: On Thu, Jul 24, 2008 at 11:00 PM, Nicu Buculei wrote: > Hylke Bons wrote: >> >> That's beautiful. >> I think this will fit well in my attempt to ressurect Bluecurve. :) >> Thanks! > > The theme is shiny and good looking (in Andy's known style), but it is not > blue and I would expect a theme called Bluecurve to have a lot of blue. > actually i deliberately tried to escape blue for two reasons. one i was trying to test out the illustrated design (and blue is my comfort zone) two it was originally meant to be used for inkscape mockups .. and we all know inkscape is green black and white. so there's a few colour variation ideas. take and mix what you like. i just wish gtk engines could draw that way. From h.bons at student.rug.nl Thu Jul 24 14:33:53 2008 From: h.bons at student.rug.nl (Hylke Bons) Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2008 16:33:53 +0200 Subject: mockup gtk theme In-Reply-To: References: <4888761C.5020808@student.rug.nl> Message-ID: <488892D1.50401@student.rug.nl> Andy Fitzsimon schreef: > are you seriously trying to resurrect bluecurve ? > ive done a fair amount of bluecurve icons in the new style.. > > will send them to you when i get back to work > > > Andy > http://bomahy.nl/hylke/wip/bluetwist.png Nothing too fancy at the moment. Going to work on a window border as well, that has some of the old features (diagonal stripes, blue edges), but looks more of this time. I loved the Bluecurve style for Red Hat/Fedora, it was defining for the distro. I've seen some of your new Bluecurve work, they look very nice. The thing is I'd like to find a style that's not exactly Tango, but does blend in well with the smaller Tango sizes that are used everywhere. As you can see it uses the Bluecurve palette, has strokes and inner strokes, but no shadows and the contrast is a bit higher. Maybe the Tango High Resolution style would fit better. Hylke From mspevack at redhat.com Thu Jul 24 15:46:11 2008 From: mspevack at redhat.com (Max Spevack) Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2008 17:46:11 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [Ambassadors] EUROPE: CDs, Shirts and Stickers In-Reply-To: <1216914141.5114.37.camel@victoria> References: <1216834323.11972.142.camel@victoria> <1216847505.18608.3.camel@F9NB.homenet.local> <1216914141.5114.37.camel@victoria> Message-ID: On Thu, 24 Jul 2008, Paul W. Frields wrote: >> What do you say? Do you have any problem with us producing a bunch >> of the "I *heart* Fedora" tshirts? >> >> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Image:Artwork_T(2d)Shirt_tshirt_love.png > > Fedora EMEA e.V. is producing these shirts, correct? They have a > trademark licensing agreement. > > The T-shirt shown doesn't have our official logo on it, but I think > there ought to be one -- a small one on the upper back, or on one > sleeve. That helps to keep the brand identification even though the > front has a completely different presentation of the word "fedora." > > I think that single change would be sufficient for me to say, "Go for > it!". Sounds good. What do you think, Art Team? Any chance you guys can whip that up for us? thanks, Max From stickster at gmail.com Thu Jul 24 15:42:21 2008 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2008 11:42:21 -0400 Subject: [Ambassadors] EUROPE: CDs, Shirts and Stickers In-Reply-To: References: <1216834323.11972.142.camel@victoria> <1216847505.18608.3.camel@F9NB.homenet.local> Message-ID: <1216914141.5114.37.camel@victoria> On Thu, 2008-07-24 at 17:22 +0200, Max Spevack wrote: > On Wed, 23 Jul 2008, Gerold Kassube wrote: > > > But if we want produce Shirts with a (Fedora-) Logo; don't we need to > > pay attention to the Logo UsageGuidline at > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Logo/UsageGuidelines2 ? > > > > Personaly I like every design, every single shirt but I also think, we > > have to ask legal if we don't harm the Trademark given by RH ... > > Hey Fedora Project Leader, Mr. Frields: > > What do you say? Do you have any problem with us producing a bunch of > the "I *heart* Fedora" tshirts? > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Image:Artwork_T(2d)Shirt_tshirt_love.png Fedora EMEA e.V. is producing these shirts, correct? They have a trademark licensing agreement. The T-shirt shown doesn't have our official logo on it, but I think there ought to be one -- a small one on the upper back, or on one sleeve. That helps to keep the brand identification even though the front has a completely different presentation of the word "fedora." I think that single change would be sufficient for me to say, "Go for it!". -- Paul W. Frields gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://paul.frields.org/ - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From stickster at gmail.com Thu Jul 24 18:17:34 2008 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2008 18:17:34 +0000 Subject: Poster revision Message-ID: <1216923454.5114.86.camel@victoria> Hi Fedora artistes, The Marketing team has been discussing how we can organize our future Fedora messaging around the "4 Foundations" theme (freedom, friends, features, first). I think people here already know these terms from elsewhere[1], so I won't belabor the point. :-) "Infinity / Freedom / Voice" has been a powerful message and an excellent way to characterize the themes that went into the Fedora logo. The logo has become a completely identifiable brand for us, and the original "triptych" posters[2] for these themes have allowed our brand to grow throughout the community. Now, it's time for us to build a revitalized message around the more concrete themes that characterize the entire Fedora Project as a whole. So, I'm asking if the Artwork team can create new poster artwork around the "4 Foundations," to spread this new message as effectively as the one you helped build around our logo. I've put this on the design queue[3] as well. Discussion and input, as always, welcome! = = = [1] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing/Plan [2] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/MarketingCollateral#Posters [3] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/PrintDesignService -- Paul W. Frields gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://paul.frields.org/ - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Going to work on a window border as well, > that has some of the old features (diagonal stripes, blue edges), but looks > more of this time. > > I loved the Bluecurve style for Red Hat/Fedora, it was defining for the > distro. > > I've seen some of your new Bluecurve work, they look very nice. > > The thing is I'd like to find a style that's not exactly Tango, but does > blend in well with the smaller Tango sizes that are used everywhere. As you > can see it uses the Bluecurve palette, has strokes and inner strokes, but no > shadows and the contrast is a bit higher. Maybe the Tango High Resolution > style would fit better. > > Hylke > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list > -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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That helps to keep the brand identification even though the >> front has a completely different presentation of the word "fedora." >> >> I think that single change would be sufficient for me to say, "Go for >> it!". > > Sounds good. What do you think, Art Team? Any chance you guys can whip > that up for us? If I understand Paul's request correctly, the requirement is to have this very logo http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Image:Logo_fedoralogo.png on the sleeve (I think I would like it better this way, just like the sleeve of the polo shirt, only without the "ambassador" word and with blue text - [1]) or on the back. Just applying the logo (I believe Fedora EMEA e.V. already has the source for it) at a certain size (larger for the back, smaller for the sleeve). Now for the *real* question: when and where can I buy one of these? [1] - http://clunixchit.blogspot.com/2007/01/fedora-ambassadors-polo-shirts.html -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From andyfitz at gmail.com Fri Jul 25 06:40:46 2008 From: andyfitz at gmail.com (Andy Fitzsimon) Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2008 14:40:46 +0800 Subject: mockup gtk theme In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: ive added sliders lists a few more button options and ideal natilus view ;-) -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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They have a >>> trademark licensing agreement. >>> >>> The T-shirt shown doesn't have our official logo on it, but I think >>> there ought to be one -- a small one on the upper back, or on one >>> sleeve. That helps to keep the brand identification even though the >>> front has a completely different presentation of the word "fedora." >>> >>> I think that single change would be sufficient for me to say, "Go for >>> it!". >> >> Sounds good. What do you think, Art Team? Any chance you guys can whip >> that up for us? > > > If I understand Paul's request correctly, the requirement is to have > this very logo http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Image:Logo_fedoralogo.png > on the sleeve (I think I would like it better this way, just like the > sleeve of the polo shirt, only without the "ambassador" word and with > blue text - [1]) or on the back. ^^ Blue text? No; I think Paul want's to have the last (heart) one modified with the "official Logo" (and afai understood _ONLY_ the logo [somewhere]) on the shirt .. > Just applying the logo (I believe Fedora EMEA e.V. already has the > source for it) at a certain size (larger for the back, smaller for the > sleeve). ^^ Fedora EMEA e.V. has only a trademark licensing agreement and prodcued Stitch cards for producing the "Ambassador Polo Shirt" many, many European Ambassadors are wearing at several events like FOSDEM, Linuxtag and it is also gone to the US with paul, Max, Mike McGrath and Tom "Spot" > > Now for the *real* question: when and where can I buy one of these? ^^ Nicu, it'll be a pleasure for the EMEA e.V. to organise with the next order we will realize ONE for you; ... But we need to collect orders because otherwise the shipping and handling costs for a single one is too high. I think we will try to collect for the next event to order again a bunch of (between 30 to 50 pcs.); Sounds that good for you? Regards Gerold > > [1] - > http://clunixchit.blogspot.com/2007/01/fedora-ambassadors-polo-shirts.html > > -- > nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com > Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ > Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org > my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list > From luya at fedoraproject.org Fri Jul 25 07:50:27 2008 From: luya at fedoraproject.org (Luya Tshimbalanga) Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2008 00:50:27 -0700 Subject: [Echo] preference-system-date sketches In-Reply-To: <1216205376.2975.6.camel@pc-notebook> References: <487471A1.9080203@fedoraproject.org> <1215642520.27713.29.camel@pc-notebook> <487DA39E.8050707@fedoraproject.org> <1216195480.2975.1.camel@pc-notebook> <487DB385.5030705@fedoraproject.org> <1216205376.2975.6.camel@pc-notebook> Message-ID: <488985C3.8070006@fedoraproject.org> Martin Sourada a ?crit : > > Gnumeric's first choice was 7 which I incidentally had on my mind as > well, so how about that? > > Sorry for the delay. 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Frields wrote: >>>>> What do you say? Do you have any problem with us producing a bunch >>>>> of the "I *heart* Fedora" tshirts? >>>>> >>>>> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Image:Artwork_T(2d)Shirt_tshirt_love.png >>>> Fedora EMEA e.V. is producing these shirts, correct? They have a >>>> trademark licensing agreement. >>>> >>>> The T-shirt shown doesn't have our official logo on it, but I think >>>> there ought to be one -- a small one on the upper back, or on one >>>> sleeve. That helps to keep the brand identification even though the >>>> front has a completely different presentation of the word "fedora." >>>> >>>> I think that single change would be sufficient for me to say, "Go for >>>> it!". >>> Sounds good. What do you think, Art Team? Any chance you guys can whip >>> that up for us? >> >> If I understand Paul's request correctly, the requirement is to have >> this very logo http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Image:Logo_fedoralogo.png >> on the sleeve (I think I would like it better this way, just like the >> sleeve of the polo shirt, only without the "ambassador" word and with >> blue text - [1]) or on the back. > ^^ > Blue text? No; I think Paul want's to have the last (heart) one modified > with the "official Logo" (and afai understood _ONLY_ the logo [somewhere]) > on the shirt .. The logo (http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Logo) consists from both the logotype (the "fedora" text in a light blue Bryant font) and the symbol (the infinity bubble). According with the usage guidelines (http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Logo/UsageGuidelines) in some cases one can use either the logotype or the symbol, but usually when talking about the logo one understand a composition including both of them. Also, according to the guidelines, the logotype is light blue, but when used against a dark background, it is allowed to make it white, that was the case with the blue ambassador polo I mentioned before. When I said "blue text" I wanted to make a distinction: to not use a blue text like in that case, but the normal light blue. Attached is what I think you are describing, but not what I understand Paul asked for. Anyway, if you like it, feel free to use. >> Just applying the logo (I believe Fedora EMEA e.V. already has the >> source for it) at a certain size (larger for the back, smaller for the >> sleeve). > ^^ > Fedora EMEA e.V. has only a trademark licensing agreement and prodcued > Stitch cards for producing the "Ambassador Polo Shirt" many, many European > Ambassadors are wearing at several events like FOSDEM, Linuxtag and it is > also gone to the US with paul, Max, Mike McGrath and Tom "Spot" "The source" is the SVG of the logo, which is trivial to get (acailable in many sources of our graphics) but officially you have to ask for. 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Frields wrote: > > The Marketing team has been discussing how we can organize our future > Fedora messaging around the "4 Foundations" theme (freedom, friends, > features, first). I think people here already know these terms from > elsewhere[1], so I won't belabor the point. :-) A very quick and rough idea (I'll have to think more about it before trying some graphics): my opinion is that *now* is the time to emphasize the *people* aspect of Fedora (the distro is not only for spaceships and robots, it is for humans too). So I think about using some people silhouettes (not real people images, as we don't want legal complications) in various postures, one for each of the 4 foundations (for a set of 4 posters). Here are a few possible metaphors: - Freedom: a couple of people silhouettes enjoying themselves: dancing, jumping, something like that; - Friends: a couple of friends shaking hands is too stereotypical, but I am sure it is not that hard to illustrate friendship; - Features: not very sure about that, maybe silhouettes involved in various activities: listening to music, playing games, remote controlling a robot; - First: maybe a small group of sprinters with one of them two steps ahead of the pack. Also I am not sure if those are best all blue or, as "I/F/V", in various colors, each color supporting the poster's theme. -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From mspevack at redhat.com Fri Jul 25 10:01:27 2008 From: mspevack at redhat.com (Max Spevack) Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2008 12:01:27 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [Ambassadors] EUROPE: CDs, Shirts and Stickers In-Reply-To: <5852.217.162.12.42.1216968447.squirrel@www.gbc.net> References: <1216834323.11972.142.camel@victoria> <1216847505.18608.3.camel@F9NB.homenet.local> <1216914141.5114.37.camel@victoria> <48896F50.9010005@nicubunu.ro> <5852.217.162.12.42.1216968447.squirrel@www.gbc.net> Message-ID: > The T-shirt shown doesn't have our official logo on it, but I think > there ought to be one -- a small one on the upper back, or on one > sleeve. That helps to keep the brand identification even though the > front has a completely different presentation of the word "fedora." To summarize the requirements: FRONT of the shirt: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Image:Artwork_T(2d)Shirt_tshirt_love.png BACK of the shirt: https://fedoraproject.org/w/uploads/2/2d/Logo_fedoralogo.png (but smaller, and up near the top in the center, by the neck). I envision us having the shirts printed in white. ======== That's it! Let's not make this any more complicated than we need to! :) The only question worth asking at this point is "do the EMEA Ambassadors like that design enough to spend some of our money producing it?" Personally, I think it is cool, fun, and different from all the other shirts that we have, and I vote yes. It's the Fedora logo -- live a little! --Max From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Fri Jul 25 11:06:18 2008 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2008 14:06:18 +0300 Subject: [Ambassadors] EUROPE: CDs, Shirts and Stickers In-Reply-To: References: <1216834323.11972.142.camel@victoria> <1216847505.18608.3.camel@F9NB.homenet.local> <1216914141.5114.37.camel@victoria> <48896F50.9010005@nicubunu.ro> <5852.217.162.12.42.1216968447.squirrel@www.gbc.net> Message-ID: <4889B3AA.9020909@nicubunu.ro> Max Spevack wrote: > > To summarize the requirements: > > FRONT of the shirt: > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Image:Artwork_T(2d)Shirt_tshirt_love.png > > BACK of the shirt: > > https://fedoraproject.org/w/uploads/2/2d/Logo_fedoralogo.png > > (but smaller, and up near the top in the center, by the neck). > > I envision us having the shirts printed in white. 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(Just a thought :P ) -- Ian Weller http://ianweller.org GnuPG fingerprint: E51E 0517 7A92 70A2 4226 B050 87ED 7C97 EFA8 4A36 "Technology is a word that describes something that doesn't work yet." ~ Douglas Adams From martin.sourada at gmail.com Sat Jul 26 15:52:17 2008 From: martin.sourada at gmail.com (Martin Sourada) Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2008 17:52:17 +0200 Subject: mockup gtk theme In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Fri, Jul 25, 2008 at 9:56 AM, Andy Fitzsimon wrote: > http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3192/2700149943_e596c2c562_o.png > > for everyone who doesnt want to load up inkscape > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list > Hi Andy, I am now on vacation and have very limted access to internet, so I'll reply fully when I'm back. For now let me say I like it though there is clear inspiration by MacOS X. I can imagine adding this style to nodoka engine via configuration option. Martin -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From andyfitz at gmail.com Sun Jul 27 15:26:34 2008 From: andyfitz at gmail.com (Andy Fitzsimon) Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2008 23:26:34 +0800 Subject: mockup gtk theme In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi martin, If you could help me understand our limitations ill make some more specific mockups for you http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3021/2706976226_d9d7e58f17_o.png http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3049/2706174405_6f7cb0e3a7_o.png No points for being original here, I was thinking ofwhat osx and xp would look like if they were smashed together in the right way. getting the conditionals to render like this is what I am more interested in. Andy > > I am now on vacation and have very limted access to internet, so I'll reply > fully when I'm back. For now let me say I like it though there is clear > inspiration by MacOS X. I can imagine adding this style to nodoka engine via > configuration option. > > Martin > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list > > From stickster at gmail.com Sun Jul 27 19:17:27 2008 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2008 15:17:27 -0400 Subject: Poster revision In-Reply-To: <48899159.6030303@nicubunu.ro> References: <1216923454.5114.86.camel@victoria> <48899159.6030303@nicubunu.ro> Message-ID: <1217186247.3691.3.camel@victoria> On Fri, 2008-07-25 at 11:39 +0300, Nicu Buculei wrote: > Paul W. Frields wrote: > > > > The Marketing team has been discussing how we can organize our future > > Fedora messaging around the "4 Foundations" theme (freedom, friends, > > features, first). I think people here already know these terms from > > elsewhere[1], so I won't belabor the point. :-) > > A very quick and rough idea (I'll have to think more about it before > trying some graphics): my opinion is that *now* is the time to emphasize > the *people* aspect of Fedora (the distro is not only for spaceships and > robots, it is for humans too). > So I think about using some people silhouettes (not real people images, > as we don't want legal complications) in various postures, one for each > of the 4 foundations (for a set of 4 posters). Not a bad idea, as long as we don't make these too much like the Apple ad campaigns. We'd need a differentiator of some sort, which will be difficult because their campaigns use a wide variety of backgrounds -- monopolizing the color field if we're using silhouettes. > Here are a few possible metaphors: > - Freedom: a couple of people silhouettes enjoying themselves: dancing, > jumping, something like that; > - Friends: a couple of friends shaking hands is too stereotypical, but I > am sure it is not that hard to illustrate friendship; > - Features: not very sure about that, maybe silhouettes involved in > various activities: listening to music, playing games, remote > controlling a robot; > - First: maybe a small group of sprinters with one of them two steps > ahead of the pack. > > Also I am not sure if those are best all blue or, as "I/F/V", in various > colors, each color supporting the poster's theme. These all sound really reasonable to me, with the caveat from above. -- Paul W. Frields gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://paul.frields.org/ - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Mon Jul 28 09:05:52 2008 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 12:05:52 +0300 Subject: Poster revision In-Reply-To: <1217186247.3691.3.camel@victoria> References: <1216923454.5114.86.camel@victoria> <48899159.6030303@nicubunu.ro> <1217186247.3691.3.camel@victoria> Message-ID: <488D8BF0.6070108@nicubunu.ro> Paul W. Frields wrote: > > Not a bad idea, as long as we don't make these too much like the Apple > ad campaigns. We'd need a differentiator of some sort, which will be > difficult because their campaigns use a wide variety of backgrounds -- > monopolizing the color field if we're using silhouettes. Ha ha, as hard to belie as is, I have to do some research into Apple's adds, they do not target the market I live in, so I am not familiar with the subject. -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From wonderer4711 at gmx.de Mon Jul 28 10:17:45 2008 From: wonderer4711 at gmx.de (wonderer) Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 12:17:45 +0200 Subject: Poster revision In-Reply-To: <488D8BF0.6070108@nicubunu.ro> References: <1216923454.5114.86.camel@victoria> <48899159.6030303@nicubunu.ro> <1217186247.3691.3.camel@victoria> <488D8BF0.6070108@nicubunu.ro> Message-ID: <488D9CC9.9090900@gmx.de> Nicu Buculei schrieb: > Paul W. Frields wrote: >> >> Not a bad idea, as long as we don't make these too much like the Apple >> ad campaigns. We'd need a differentiator of some sort, which will be >> difficult because their campaigns use a wide variety of backgrounds -- >> monopolizing the color field if we're using silhouettes. > > Ha ha, as hard to belie as is, I have to do some research into Apple's > adds, they do not target the market I live in, so I am not familiar > with the subject. > hello all, I also think (as i had hopefully mentioned before) that e.g. the apple adds are ONE of many possibilitys to hang on and could have in minde for the own adds. Nevertheless, for those who did not know ... there was e.g. the "think different" campaign (perhaps there are more like the ipod add, but the making is the same). Apple takes some great heads of the century and made some b/w posters only with the text "think different" of it. http://cfs9.tistory.com/upload_control/download.blog?fhandle=YmxvZzE0MTgyN0BmczkudGlzdG9yeS5jb206L2F0dGFjaC8wLzMuanBn http://www.macsecrets.com/2002/img/logo_think_different_plakat.jpg http://www.savoy-truffle.de/dylan/bilder/Dylan-thinks-different-big.jpg http://www.pci.uni-heidelberg.de/tc/usr/chris/pics/Think_different2.jpg http://onionesquereality.files.wordpress.com/2008/03/apple_think_different.jpg (there are all Posters at one) and also a video-add: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4oAB83Z1ydE Maybe the text to the video can modified, other pictures can be taken, but I think we have some of the same intentions... I fully agree not TO much take from "the great company with the fruit Logo...", but I think we can learn much of this add. So, maybe we could have one "Theme", one Artwork (maybe for F11) and draw around that Posters, Wallpapers, Icons and video adds ... just my 2 Cents ;-) sincerly Henrik From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Mon Jul 28 10:28:52 2008 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 13:28:52 +0300 Subject: Poster revision In-Reply-To: <488D9CC9.9090900@gmx.de> References: <1216923454.5114.86.camel@victoria> <48899159.6030303@nicubunu.ro> <1217186247.3691.3.camel@victoria> <488D8BF0.6070108@nicubunu.ro> <488D9CC9.9090900@gmx.de> Message-ID: <488D9F64.4040202@nicubunu.ro> wonderer wrote: > > Maybe the text to the video can modified, other pictures can be taken, > but I think we have some of the same intentions... I fully agree not TO > much take from "the great company with the fruit Logo...", but I think > we can learn much of this add. > So, maybe we could have one "Theme", one Artwork (maybe for F11) and > draw around that Posters, Wallpapers, Icons and video adds ... just my 2 > Cents ;-) The *one theme* is "freedom, friends, features, first". -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From wonderer4711 at gmx.de Mon Jul 28 11:14:16 2008 From: wonderer4711 at gmx.de (wonderer) Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 13:14:16 +0200 Subject: Poster revision In-Reply-To: <488D9F64.4040202@nicubunu.ro> References: <1216923454.5114.86.camel@victoria> <48899159.6030303@nicubunu.ro> <1217186247.3691.3.camel@victoria> <488D8BF0.6070108@nicubunu.ro> <488D9CC9.9090900@gmx.de> <488D9F64.4040202@nicubunu.ro> Message-ID: <488DAA08.1060407@gmx.de> Nicu Buculei schrieb: > wonderer wrote: >> >> Maybe the text to the video can modified, other pictures can be >> taken, but I think we have some of the same intentions... I fully >> agree not TO much take from "the great company with the fruit >> Logo...", but I think we can learn much of this add. >> So, maybe we could have one "Theme", one Artwork (maybe for F11) and >> draw around that Posters, Wallpapers, Icons and video adds ... just >> my 2 Cents ;-) > > The *one theme* is "freedom, friends, features, first". That are words, but no theme ;-) What do we want to buidl around it? Should there be a thing like the BSD fish or the Budweiser frogs and lizzard, what would we connect with the 4 foundations? What "pictures" would we compare with that? Does the first friend of Fedora features freedom around the world or does the first freedom we have on our computers was featured from fedora? Would we like to build a theme around the words or should the words stand for themself? Questions I like to throw in the round ... Another idea: paint some cute little "things" and name them fed ora and fed ori and let them play some comics (I saw some great stuff from some fedora-Artists ;-) )... Another idea: Interview with lets say a guy on the street. question to him: "Do you have a Computer?" He (young guy): "of course. I play games do my homework and chating and some music " ** (backgroundmusic: some snippets of MTV & Co.) --- Question: are you Ok with that? He (thinking): ** backgroundmusic: Techno, Hardrock, etc. --- cut fade-in --- Fedora Logo freedom | friends | features | first (smoothly fade in, no music) --- cut (blackout) --- same situationn (Interviewer on street) Interviewer want to ask a bunch of people, they are laughing, have penguin shirts or so One of the guy: shure I have a computer. I use it for games ... homework and study things ... chatting and music Question: are you Ok with that? the guys (look at each other): yes. --- fadeout --- showing Fedora logo with URL best regards Henrik From mspevack at redhat.com Mon Jul 28 11:37:01 2008 From: mspevack at redhat.com (Max Spevack) Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 13:37:01 +0200 (CEST) Subject: FUDCon Brno tshirts Message-ID: Hi art team, Since you guys did such an awesome job on the FUDCon Boston shirts, I was wondering if you'd be willing to make a few mock-ups of what a FUDCon Brno shirt would look like. I like the idea of trying to have a bit of design consistency for each year's FUDCon shirts... so maybe we could keep the front the same (switching the name of course) and doing something "similar" on the back? I did a search on images.google.com and flickr for Brno, and there are several skyline pictures similar to the one used for Boston. If any of them inspire you, I am happy to send some emails to the creators to ask for permission to use them in our design. http://www.flickr.com/photos/melinda_brink/2541502320/ <-- really nice http://www.flickr.com/photos/garethsimkins/60174265/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/macwrangler/652022506/ --Max From br4in5t0rmm at gmail.com Mon Jul 28 11:43:31 2008 From: br4in5t0rmm at gmail.com (Erick Henrique) Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 08:43:31 -0300 Subject: Presentation Message-ID: <67d66b7b0807280443l3cfd65afgab09ca694b23bef4@mail.gmail.com> Hello friends human beings My name is Erick Goes and I am new here in the list, although it contributes in the area of art with the Fedora Project Brazil, where help as a designer of the Magazine Fedora Brazil along with our friend Razgriz. I hope I can contribute to the discussions of the list, and know the work of other artists, their ideas, proposals current contribution to the art work of the Fedora Project. Use daily Inkscape, Gimp and Blender 3D in my work and I hope to make great friendships and also continue improving my techniques of artistic creation through this list. Abra?o all. How would Buzz Light of Toy Story ... "To infinity and beyond" =) Hug Erick Goes Time Magazine of Art Fedora Brazil Fedora Project Brazil ----------------------------------------------- http://www.projetofedora.org http://www.mytoons.com/br4in *********************************************** DESIGN LIVRE *********************************************** <> -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pingou at pingoured.fr Mon Jul 28 12:04:43 2008 From: pingou at pingoured.fr (Pierre-Yves) Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 14:04:43 +0200 Subject: T-shirt design feed back Message-ID: <488DB5DB.7030005@pingoured.fr> Dear list, Sometime ago I have made a couple of t-shirt design that I would like to present you. There is nothing special on them, just a couple of ideas I had. Some might like them, some not, never mind :). I would like to have your opinion on those, and especially on the legal aspect of them. Do they fit the guidelines exactly ? (I have read them but I prefer to ask you confirmation rather than doing something wrong). Thanks for your feed back. Pierre Links: In English: http://pingoured.fr/blog/public/OpenMinded-1.png http://pingoured.fr/blog/public/OpenMinded-2.png http://pingoured.fr/blog/public/OpenMinded-Black-1.png In French: http://pingoured.fr/blog/public/EspritOuvert-1.png http://pingoured.fr/blog/public/EspritOuvert-Black-1.png http://pingoured.fr/blog/public/EspritOuvert-Black-2.png http://pingoured.fr/blog/public/T-shirt_ouvertesprit-bw5.png http://pingoured.fr/blog/public/T-shirt_ouvertesprit-bw6.png http://pingoured.fr/blog/public/T-shirt_ouvertesprit-bw7.png From stickster at gmail.com Mon Jul 28 12:18:39 2008 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 08:18:39 -0400 Subject: FUDCon Brno tshirts In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1217247519.7607.8.camel@victoria> On Mon, 2008-07-28 at 13:37 +0200, Max Spevack wrote: > Hi art team, > > Since you guys did such an awesome job on the FUDCon Boston shirts, I > was wondering if you'd be willing to make a few mock-ups of what a > FUDCon Brno shirt would look like. > > I like the idea of trying to have a bit of design consistency for each > year's FUDCon shirts... so maybe we could keep the front the same > (switching the name of course) and doing something "similar" on the > back? > > I did a search on images.google.com and flickr for Brno, and there are > several skyline pictures similar to the one used for Boston. If any of > them inspire you, I am happy to send some emails to the creators to ask > for permission to use them in our design. > > http://www.flickr.com/photos/melinda_brink/2541502320/ <-- really nice > > http://www.flickr.com/photos/garethsimkins/60174265/ > > http://www.flickr.com/photos/macwrangler/652022506/ Very nice photos! Rather than have to mess with special permissions, I used http://www.flickr.com/creativecommons/ and searched there for Boston pictures for that FUDCon shirt redesign, sticking with the "BY" and "BY-SA" pools. I just searched in those pools for "Brno" and looked around for a couple minutes. Looks like some good stuff there. -- Paul W. Frields gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://paul.frields.org/ - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Mon Jul 28 12:25:16 2008 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 15:25:16 +0300 Subject: Presentation In-Reply-To: <67d66b7b0807280443l3cfd65afgab09ca694b23bef4@mail.gmail.com> References: <67d66b7b0807280443l3cfd65afgab09ca694b23bef4@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <488DBAAC.80204@nicubunu.ro> Erick Henrique wrote: > Hello friends human beings Hi Erick! > My name is Erick Goes and I am new here in the list, although it > contributes in the area of art with the Fedora Project Brazil, where > help as a designer of the Magazine Fedora Brazil along with our friend > Razgriz. Razgriz introduced himself recently to the list too, I think it is a good thing to have you two on the team. > I hope I can contribute to the discussions of the list, and know the > work of other artists, their ideas, proposals current contribution to > the art work of the Fedora Project. Use daily Inkscape, Gimp and Blender > 3D in my work and I hope to make great friendships and also continue > improving my techniques of artistic creation through this list. I was impressed by the Magazine Fedora Brazil and I believe other people from the group were too and also I am sure we can make good use of your skills. -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Mon Jul 28 12:34:01 2008 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 15:34:01 +0300 Subject: T-shirt design feed back In-Reply-To: <488DB5DB.7030005@pingoured.fr> References: <488DB5DB.7030005@pingoured.fr> Message-ID: <488DBCB9.60301@nicubunu.ro> Pierre-Yves wrote: > Dear list, Hi, > Sometime ago I have made a couple of t-shirt design that I would like to > present you. > There is nothing special on them, just a couple of ideas I had. Some > might like them, some not, never mind :). > > I would like to have your opinion on those, and especially on the legal > aspect of them. Do they fit the guidelines exactly ? (I have read them > but I prefer to ask you confirmation rather than doing something wrong). I am by no means an expert in law or an expert in branding, but I see in some designs you added a black outline around the "8" and the "f" shapes (and I am not sure, but I think I see one around the bubble). That is not OK, our logo is *without* outlines. Beyond that, the shirts are quite simple and straightforward (in a good sense): the Fedora logo and a slogan. Not sure about the usefulness of introducing yet another slogan when we are trying to come with something about "4 Foundations". -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From mspevack at redhat.com Mon Jul 28 12:36:12 2008 From: mspevack at redhat.com (Max Spevack) Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 14:36:12 +0200 (CEST) Subject: FUDCon Brno tshirts In-Reply-To: <1217247519.7607.8.camel@victoria> References: <1217247519.7607.8.camel@victoria> Message-ID: On Mon, 28 Jul 2008, Paul W. Frields wrote: > Very nice photos! Rather than have to mess with special permissions, > I used http://www.flickr.com/creativecommons/ and searched there for > Boston pictures for that FUDCon shirt redesign, sticking with the "BY" > and "BY-SA" pools. I just searched in those pools for "Brno" and > looked around for a couple minutes. Looks like some good stuff there. links to the good ones? From pingou at pingoured.fr Mon Jul 28 12:40:03 2008 From: pingou at pingoured.fr (Pierre-Yves) Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 14:40:03 +0200 Subject: T-shirt design feed back In-Reply-To: <488DBCB9.60301@nicubunu.ro> References: <488DB5DB.7030005@pingoured.fr> <488DBCB9.60301@nicubunu.ro> Message-ID: <488DBE23.5000002@pingoured.fr> Nicu Buculei wrote: > Pierre-Yves wrote: >> Dear list, > > Hi, > >> Sometime ago I have made a couple of t-shirt design that I would like >> to present you. >> There is nothing special on them, just a couple of ideas I had. Some >> might like them, some not, never mind :). >> >> I would like to have your opinion on those, and especially on the >> legal aspect of them. Do they fit the guidelines exactly ? (I have >> read them but I prefer to ask you confirmation rather than doing >> something wrong). > > I am by no means an expert in law or an expert in branding, but I see in > some designs you added a black outline around the "8" and the "f" shapes > (and I am not sure, but I think I see one around the bubble). That is > not OK, our logo is *without* outlines. Yes I saw that, I think I found that logo somewhere on the old wiki, I could not find it again few days ago when I looked it up. That's also why I changed it (it also looks nicer without :) ) > Beyond that, the shirts are quite simple and straightforward (in a good > sense): the Fedora logo and a slogan. Not sure about the usefulness of > introducing yet another slogan when we are trying to come with something > about "4 Foundations". My goal is not to introduce a new slogan, just to make a small/nice t-shirt. I had other ideas of t-shirt in the same vein: http://pingoured.fr/blog/index.php?post/2008/06/06/T-shirt-Fedora But that's not the point of my question :) Thanks for your feed back, Pierre From stickster at gmail.com Mon Jul 28 12:45:02 2008 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 08:45:02 -0400 Subject: T-shirt design feed back In-Reply-To: <488DBCB9.60301@nicubunu.ro> References: <488DB5DB.7030005@pingoured.fr> <488DBCB9.60301@nicubunu.ro> Message-ID: <1217249102.7607.22.camel@victoria> On Mon, 2008-07-28 at 15:34 +0300, Nicu Buculei wrote: > Pierre-Yves wrote: > > Dear list, > > Hi, > > > Sometime ago I have made a couple of t-shirt design that I would like to > > present you. > > There is nothing special on them, just a couple of ideas I had. Some > > might like them, some not, never mind :). > > > > I would like to have your opinion on those, and especially on the legal > > aspect of them. Do they fit the guidelines exactly ? (I have read them > > but I prefer to ask you confirmation rather than doing something wrong). > > I am by no means an expert in law or an expert in branding, but I see in > some designs you added a black outline around the "8" and the "f" shapes > (and I am not sure, but I think I see one around the bubble). That is > not OK, our logo is *without* outlines. https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Logo/UsageGuidelines#Symbol_Clear_Space Also, the design doesn't protect the minimum space around the logo. > Beyond that, the shirts are quite simple and straightforward (in a good > sense): the Fedora logo and a slogan. Not sure about the usefulness of > introducing yet another slogan when we are trying to come with something > about "4 Foundations". Yes, I would like to avoid setting up a bunch of new slogans all at the same time. At the same time, I realize that the alliteration ("f" at the beginning of all the words) won't work outside English, for which I apologize. But the *ideas* are strong, so translating those words directly would still be powerful, I think. Part of the power of a slogan comes from using it consistently. If everyone makes their own, how do we tell the difference between the unofficial ones and the official one? Frankly, I'd rather see T-shirts not reflect any slogan, just the branding (logo) and website. -- Paul W. Frields gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://paul.frields.org/ - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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[1] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Image:Artwork_T(2d)Shirt_fudcon-boston-2008-1_design.png > I did a search on images.google.com and flickr for Brno, and there are > several skyline pictures similar to the one used for Boston. If any of > them inspire you, I am happy to send some emails to the creators to ask > for permission to use them in our design. You know, a Gothic cathedral is a Gothic cathedral, nobody can tell them apart when they are reduced so much is a graphic. Now I am kicking myself for not taking better skyline photos a couple of months ago when I was in Cluj [2] (it does not look that far from Brno, just greener). [2] http://nicubunu.ro/pictures/cluj_skyline.jpg -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Mon Jul 28 13:16:09 2008 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 16:16:09 +0300 Subject: T-shirt design feed back In-Reply-To: <1217249102.7607.22.camel@victoria> References: <488DB5DB.7030005@pingoured.fr> <488DBCB9.60301@nicubunu.ro> <1217249102.7607.22.camel@victoria> Message-ID: <488DC699.6060900@nicubunu.ro> Paul W. Frields wrote: > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Logo/UsageGuidelines#Symbol_Clear_Space > > Also, the design doesn't protect the minimum space around the logo. You made me think more and I bet the font used is *not* MgOpen Modata, which is our complementary font: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Logo/UsageGuidelines#Complementary_Font > Part of the power of a slogan comes from using it consistently. If > everyone makes their own, how do we tell the difference between the > unofficial ones and the official one? Frankly, I'd rather see T-shirts > not reflect any slogan, just the branding (logo) and website. But a T-shirt with only the logo is boring, how often would you wear one? -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Mon Jul 28 13:11:11 2008 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 16:11:11 +0300 Subject: FUDCon Brno tshirts In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <488DC56F.1030502@nicubunu.ro> Max Spevack wrote: > > I did a search on images.google.com and flickr for Brno, and there are > several skyline pictures similar to the one used for Boston. If any of > them inspire you, I am happy to send some emails to the creators to ask > for permission to use them in our design. > > http://www.flickr.com/photos/melinda_brink/2541502320/ <-- really nice A *very quick* image based on the photo above (it may get much better like by removing the trees). IANAL, but I am not sure about the need of permission for such use... but *I bet* we can find comparable photos with a suitable license (CC-BY-SA, PD) of something which will look the same to an untrained eye (not necessarily from Brno). BTW, the Red Hat people in Brno do not have cameras? No one of them with photography as a hobby? I am sure they are geeks enough and we'll find a right one. -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: fudcon2008-brno.png Type: image/png Size: 93678 bytes Desc: not available URL: From stickster at gmail.com Mon Jul 28 13:39:17 2008 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 13:39:17 +0000 Subject: FUDCon Brno tshirts In-Reply-To: <488DC56F.1030502@nicubunu.ro> References: <488DC56F.1030502@nicubunu.ro> Message-ID: <1217252357.7607.47.camel@victoria> On Mon, 2008-07-28 at 16:11 +0300, Nicu Buculei wrote: > Max Spevack wrote: > > > > I did a search on images.google.com and flickr for Brno, and there are > > several skyline pictures similar to the one used for Boston. If any of > > them inspire you, I am happy to send some emails to the creators to ask > > for permission to use them in our design. > > > > http://www.flickr.com/photos/melinda_brink/2541502320/ <-- really nice > > A *very quick* image based on the photo above (it may get much better > like by removing the trees). IANAL, but I am not sure about the need of > permission for such use... but *I bet* we can find comparable photos > with a suitable license (CC-BY-SA, PD) of something which will look the > same to an untrained eye (not necessarily from Brno). > > BTW, the Red Hat people in Brno do not have cameras? No one of them with > photography as a hobby? I am sure they are geeks enough and we'll find a > right one. Now you're talking! Maybe we could make this a contest of sorts with the Brno guys, with the winner getting some sort of small prize (or extra shirts). -- Paul W. Frields gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://paul.frields.org/ - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Frields wrote: > > > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Logo/UsageGuidelines#Symbol_Clear_Space > > > > Also, the design doesn't protect the minimum space around the logo. > > You made me think more and I bet the font used is *not* MgOpen Modata, > which is our complementary font: > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Logo/UsageGuidelines#Complementary_Font > > > Part of the power of a slogan comes from using it consistently. If > > everyone makes their own, how do we tell the difference between the > > unofficial ones and the official one? Frankly, I'd rather see T-shirts > > not reflect any slogan, just the branding (logo) and website. > > But a T-shirt with only the logo is boring, how often would you wear one? True enough -- maybe Pierre-Yves can translate the 4 Foundations into French for the shirt? -- Paul W. Frields gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://paul.frields.org/ - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From pingou at pingoured.fr Mon Jul 28 13:53:25 2008 From: pingou at pingoured.fr (Pierre-Yves) Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 15:53:25 +0200 Subject: T-shirt design feed back In-Reply-To: <1217252910.7607.54.camel@victoria> References: <488DB5DB.7030005@pingoured.fr> <488DBCB9.60301@nicubunu.ro> <1217249102.7607.22.camel@victoria> <488DC699.6060900@nicubunu.ro> <1217252910.7607.54.camel@victoria> Message-ID: <488DCF55.9020006@pingoured.fr> Paul W. Frields wrote: > On Mon, 2008-07-28 at 16:16 +0300, Nicu Buculei wrote: >> Paul W. Frields wrote: >>> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Logo/UsageGuidelines#Symbol_Clear_Space >>> >>> Also, the design doesn't protect the minimum space around the logo. >> You made me think more and I bet the font used is *not* MgOpen Modata, >> which is our complementary font: >> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Logo/UsageGuidelines#Complementary_Font >> >>> Part of the power of a slogan comes from using it consistently. If >>> everyone makes their own, how do we tell the difference between the >>> unofficial ones and the official one? Frankly, I'd rather see T-shirts >>> not reflect any slogan, just the branding (logo) and website. >> But a T-shirt with only the logo is boring, how often would you wear one? > > True enough -- maybe Pierre-Yves can translate the 4 Foundations into > French for the shirt? I could surely help on that :) Pierre From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Mon Jul 28 14:03:40 2008 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 17:03:40 +0300 Subject: FUDCon Brno tshirts In-Reply-To: <1217252357.7607.47.camel@victoria> References: <488DC56F.1030502@nicubunu.ro> <1217252357.7607.47.camel@victoria> Message-ID: <488DD1BC.8090203@nicubunu.ro> Paul W. Frields wrote: > On Mon, 2008-07-28 at 16:11 +0300, Nicu Buculei wrote: >> BTW, the Red Hat people in Brno do not have cameras? No one of them with >> photography as a hobby? I am sure they are geeks enough and we'll find a >> right one. > > Now you're talking! Maybe we could make this a contest of sorts with > the Brno guys, with the winner getting some sort of small prize (or > extra shirts). Scroll down, near to the end there is something *almost* like we could use: http://skosi.org/~lkundrak/gallery/2006-04-30-Brno/ (that's from our Inkscape maintainer, but I don't think he is subscribed here) -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From mspevack at redhat.com Mon Jul 28 15:11:49 2008 From: mspevack at redhat.com (Max Spevack) Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 17:11:49 +0200 (CEST) Subject: FUDCon Brno tshirts In-Reply-To: <488DC56F.1030502@nicubunu.ro> References: <488DC56F.1030502@nicubunu.ro> Message-ID: On Mon, 28 Jul 2008, Nicu Buculei wrote: > BTW, the Red Hat people in Brno do not have cameras? No one of them > with photography as a hobby? I am sure they are geeks enough and we'll > find a right one. I'm sending an email to Brno list right now :) --Max From gmureddu at prodigy.net.mx Mon Jul 28 23:08:16 2008 From: gmureddu at prodigy.net.mx (Gian Paolo Mureddu) Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 18:08:16 -0500 Subject: T-shirt design feed back In-Reply-To: <1217249102.7607.22.camel@victoria> References: <488DB5DB.7030005@pingoured.fr> <488DBCB9.60301@nicubunu.ro> <1217249102.7607.22.camel@victoria> Message-ID: <488E5160.3040700@prodigy.net.mx> Paul W. Frields escribi?: > On Mon, 2008-07-28 at 15:34 +0300, Nicu Buculei wrote: > >> Pierre-Yves wrote: >> >>> Dear list, >>> >> Hi, >> >> >>> Sometime ago I have made a couple of t-shirt design that I would like to >>> present you. >>> There is nothing special on them, just a couple of ideas I had. Some >>> might like them, some not, never mind :). >>> >>> I would like to have your opinion on those, and especially on the legal >>> aspect of them. Do they fit the guidelines exactly ? (I have read them >>> but I prefer to ask you confirmation rather than doing something wrong). >>> >> I am by no means an expert in law or an expert in branding, but I see in >> some designs you added a black outline around the "8" and the "f" shapes >> (and I am not sure, but I think I see one around the bubble). That is >> not OK, our logo is *without* outlines. >> > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Logo/UsageGuidelines#Symbol_Clear_Space > > Also, the design doesn't protect the minimum space around the logo. > > >> Beyond that, the shirts are quite simple and straightforward (in a good >> sense): the Fedora logo and a slogan. Not sure about the usefulness of >> introducing yet another slogan when we are trying to come with something >> about "4 Foundations". >> > > Yes, I would like to avoid setting up a bunch of new slogans all at the > same time. At the same time, I realize that the alliteration ("f" at > the beginning of all the words) won't work outside English, for which I > apologize. But the *ideas* are strong, so translating those words > directly would still be powerful, I think. > > Part of the power of a slogan comes from using it consistently. If > everyone makes their own, how do we tell the difference between the > unofficial ones and the official one? Frankly, I'd rather see T-shirts > not reflect any slogan, just the branding (logo) and website. > > Hello Paul. Regarding the 4 foundations, maybe they should be better exposed in the Wiki. Just ran a quick search of the Wiki for a mixed variations of the words "4 foundations", "four foundations" and "foundations" and of all results I couldn't get one which linked to the main article explaining those. Also it may be a good idea to advertise them in the font page for the Wiki, since they're the basic idea upon which Fedora ideals and values revolve. Maybe this has already been done and I simply didn't browse or search the *right* places. I wanted to do see an explanation for them as it may better aid with translations other than "Freedom = Libertad", "Friendship = Amistad", etc, but putting the full reasoning behind the words, just like it was the case when these words were chosen to be the foundations ;-) I appologize to reply to this thread here instead of addressing this on a more appropriate channel (Marketing?) From stickster at gmail.com Tue Jul 29 01:16:27 2008 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 21:16:27 -0400 Subject: T-shirt design feed back In-Reply-To: <488E5160.3040700@prodigy.net.mx> References: <488DB5DB.7030005@pingoured.fr> <488DBCB9.60301@nicubunu.ro> <1217249102.7607.22.camel@victoria> <488E5160.3040700@prodigy.net.mx> Message-ID: <1217294187.15871.20.camel@victoria> On Mon, 2008-07-28 at 18:08 -0500, Gian Paolo Mureddu wrote: > Paul W. Frields escribi?: > > Yes, I would like to avoid setting up a bunch of new slogans all at the > > same time. At the same time, I realize that the alliteration ("f" at > > the beginning of all the words) won't work outside English, for which I > > apologize. But the *ideas* are strong, so translating those words > > directly would still be powerful, I think. > > > > Part of the power of a slogan comes from using it consistently. If > > everyone makes their own, how do we tell the difference between the > > unofficial ones and the official one? Frankly, I'd rather see T-shirts > > not reflect any slogan, just the branding (logo) and website. > > > > > > Hello Paul. > > Regarding the 4 foundations, maybe they should be better exposed in the > Wiki. Just ran a quick search of the Wiki for a mixed variations of the > words "4 foundations", "four foundations" and "foundations" and of all > results I couldn't get one which linked to the main article explaining > those. Also it may be a good idea to advertise them in the font page for > the Wiki, since they're the basic idea upon which Fedora ideals and > values revolve. Maybe this has already been done and I simply didn't > browse or search the *right* places. I wanted to do see an explanation > for them as it may better aid with translations other than "Freedom = > Libertad", "Friendship = Amistad", etc, but putting the full reasoning > behind the words, just like it was the case when these words were chosen > to be the foundations ;-) > > I appologize to reply to this thread here instead of addressing this on > a more appropriate channel (Marketing?) This is a good point! I did a search for "infinity freedom voice" and also got no page saying those are official slogans. :-\ This really needs a page on the wiki, like Marketing/Slogans. Unfortunately I'm stranded at a hotel where the network is horrible. (The search I just did? Took 7.5 minutes, whereas it normally takes only a few seconds.) I'm forwarding this to f-marketing-l where we can mark it as an action item in our next meeting. -- Paul W. Frields gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://paul.frields.org/ - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From linux.charged at gmail.com Tue Jul 29 01:39:29 2008 From: linux.charged at gmail.com (Junior Tomazelli) Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 22:39:29 -0300 Subject: Presentation Message-ID: Hello designers friends. My name is Wolnei C?ndido Tomazelli Junior and I new on the list, I am of the group of Artwork of Fedora Project Brazil with Erick, Razgriz and Jayme. I contribute for our project in Brazil development t-shits, signatures, stickers, layout for presentations, etc. I have knowledge in inkscape, gimp, xsara and I am now learning blender. I hope I can contribute to the discussions of the list, and make still better the art work of the Fedora Project. Regards, Charged. -- Wolnei C?ndido Tomazelli Junior (Charged) Embaixador do Fedora Designer e Consultor de TI E-mail : linux.charged at gmail.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Tue Jul 29 05:38:49 2008 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 08:38:49 +0300 Subject: Presentation In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <488EACE9.2080908@nicubunu.ro> Junior Tomazelli wrote: > Hello designers friends. Hi, > My name is Wolnei C?ndido Tomazelli Junior and I new on the list, I am > of the group of Artwork of Fedora Project Brazil with Erick, Razgriz and > Jayme. I contribute for our project in Brazil development t-shits, > signatures, stickers, layout for presentations, etc. I have knowledge in > inkscape, gimp, xsara and I am now learning blender. It looks like we are invaded by our Brazilian friends :p Welcome on board everybody! > I hope I can contribute to the discussions of the list, and make still > better the art work of the Fedora Project. I believe you are aware about our open request queues: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/DesignService https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/PrintDesignService -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From jon at radiationlab.com Mon Jul 28 21:06:09 2008 From: jon at radiationlab.com (Jonathan Francis) Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 14:06:09 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Art list Artists... Greetings Message-ID: <107017.48571.qm@web502.biz.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hello all, I'm Jon, artist I guess, hehe. I am extremely happy to see Fedora 9 is out! I recently have had problems with Vista and HP supporting updated drives and such to the point that I came back to my computer and it was in recovery mode automatically without me doing anything. It's a new computer too with little on it but all my work files that have been destroyed I think, Thanks to HP they didn't give me a recovery CD with computer just some cheap pre-installed recovery program that isn't working. SO after all this frustration. I was like, hmmm forget Windows I want to try Fedora. The reason for this long email is one, I do art as well, and would really like to get involved with anything I can with all of you. and 2, I am running a hp 32 bit computer and am in the process of downloading the 6 discs of Fedora to install on my laptop, and Have no clue as to where to burn the 2 files, "Fedora-9-i386-netinst.iso" and "SHA1SUM" I can burn the ISO's to the 6 discs but I couldn't find anywhere in the step by step directions on what to do with these 2 files. Maybe I'm Dumb? At this point I can't even get into Windows, I no long have windows on my laptop so I am starting from scratch booting the CDs from my laptops CD drive. Also I need help partitioning my computer for Fedora. Anyone willing to let me pay them for step by step help? I am humbled to my bones and thank for for all your valuable time, even if you don't get back to me. bestest of the best regards, Jon jon at radiationlab.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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And then when you feel ready to contribute some work a good place to look for open jobs is our requests queue: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/DesignService Or maybe the Echo icon theme: https://fedorahosted.org/echo-icon-theme/ > running a hp 32 bit computer and am in the process of downloading the 6 > discs of Fedora to install on my laptop, and Have no clue as to where to > burn the 2 files, "Fedora-9-i386-netinst.iso > " > and "SHA1SUM > " I can > burn the ISO's to the 6 discs but I couldn't find anywhere in the step > by step directions on what to do with these 2 files. Maybe I'm Dumb? The best place to ask questions about usage is the users list, but since you question is simple here we go: - SHA1SUM is a text file displaying a control sum which allows you to verify the integrity of your downloaded files; - netinst is a special king of CD, you can use it on two purpose: for recovery boot when your Fedora system won't boot by itself and for performing a net install - boot from it and the installer will download all the needed packages, without a need for the other CDs. > At this point I can't even get into Windows, I no long have windows on > my laptop so I am starting from scratch booting the CDs from my laptops > CD drive. Also I need help partitioning my computer for Fedora. Anyone > willing to let me pay them for step by step help? I am humbled to my > bones and thank for for all your valuable time, even if you don't get > back to me. The art list is *really* not the place for such king of inquiry, have a look at http://docs.fedoraproject.org/install-guide/f9/en_US/ And particularly the part about partitioning http://docs.fedoraproject.org/install-guide/f9/en_US/ch-disk-partitioning.html Of course the default option proposed by the installer will work, but if you want more info that guide should be useful. -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From br4in5t0rmm at gmail.com Tue Jul 29 11:15:43 2008 From: br4in5t0rmm at gmail.com (Erick Henrique) Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 08:15:43 -0300 Subject: Presentation In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <67d66b7b0807290415i4b3e5d86h84a48d244b6cbda8@mail.gmail.com> 2008/7/28 Junior Tomazelli > Hello designers friends. > Hello > > My name is Wolnei C?ndido Tomazelli Junior and I new on the list, I am of > the group of Artwork of Fedora Project Brazil with Erick, Razgriz and Jayme. > I contribute for our project in Brazil development t-shits, signatures, > stickers, layout for presentations, etc. I have knowledge in inkscape, gimp, > xsara and I am now learning blender. > If to need aid with the Blender can speak with me. =) > > I hope I can contribute to the discussions of the list, and make still > better the art work of the Fedora Project. > Welcome my friend. 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The basic idea is implementable, one of the biggest limitations we have is that you should draw stuff only on the widget's "rectangle of being" otherwise you'll bound to hit problems with specific cases of repaints of the area, also in gtk 2 there is no hope for real transparency in Entry and Progress Bars + all other widgets that contain Entry. We are also slightly limited in the number of various states, like there is probably no way how to check that button has state "working...". For the multi-select listview, I noticed in your mockup, I am not sure if that's possible to implement - as the drawing function is called for all items separately, but I cannot say now that it's impossible. That's for the limitations that came to my mind just now, more are usually discovered during the actual implementation :-p Stay tuned on nodoka related topics in the art-list, I'll post link to documentation-in-progress for the upcoming branch and so far I drafted the Configuration Options chapter. I added option called "style" which can be set to CLASSIC (for the current nodoka), MODERN (for the future default nodoka look, currently present only in my sketches) and GLOSSY (for your style, if you have better name feel free to suggest it). Next section that I'll write will cover the used gradients and reflections. That should help me in deciding on best way how to implement gradients/reflections settings in drawing functions in the actual code, so if you have in mind final version of the gradients you use (only basic settings, colour will be hopefully treated separately) email me with the settings. You can also wait till I write the sections for the CLASSIC and MODERN styles to see what I have in mind, or ask me to extract them from the svgs you posted :) BTW. to see most of the used widgets, together with many of their available states, you can use thewidgetfactory (in fedora repos, then in Applications -> Programming -> The Widget Factory). 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Today I > started sketching new nodoka gradient (used in e.g. buttons), which is > basically an evolvement of the current one which will be available as a > configuration option. Next things on the schedule are: > > * improvement of the check/radio button design > * improvement of various arrows used in nodoka (e.g. in scrollbars, > menus or drop-down menus) > * improvement of handles design (I am satisfied neither with the circles > nor stripes) > * improvement of design of combo of entries with buttons (combo box > entries, spin buttons, ...) > * improvement of progress bar design (I see there a possibility for > usage of various designs, with a configuration option to choose) > * improvement of focus rings design (it's part of some of the above > tasks as well) > * possibly add some gradient to panel (I am still not sure, how to do > it right) > > > As you can see it's rather a lot of work, and thus there is a > possibility it will not be in Fedora 10, though certainly I make it in > time for Fedora 11 (I promise :-p). > > And why I am writing this? Partly to write what I have in mind, but > mostly because I need your cooperation. So far I have in mind few ideas > how to achieve the above tasks, but I'd like to hear your ideas as well > - after all, Fedora Artwork is not done by one, but by many people, and > this is one of the vital parts of the Fedora Artwork. > > I attach the first button redesign sketch ;-) > > Once I gather enough ideas I'll put them on wiki, so everyone could see > and comment on the "official" next version design ;-) > > Comments welcome, tear me to pieces :-D > > Thanks, > Martin > > PS: I'll most likely be the one doing the coding, but feel free to > suggest whatever you have in mind, as long as there are no "colour > jumps" (the glass effects present e.g. in Murrine). I'd like Nodoka to > be built up mostly on using gradients and simple shadows and it would be > great if it was different from the other engines not only by it's > configurability but also by it's looks. Looking good so far. Any news on the input field bug? can you fix that in nodoka? or still no investigation done? ^_^ From martin.sourada at gmail.com Tue Jul 29 20:02:56 2008 From: martin.sourada at gmail.com (Martin Sourada) Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 22:02:56 +0200 Subject: [Nodoka GTK2 Engine] Gathering ideas for next release In-Reply-To: <6e24a8e80807291300u48399185q368fcf07428d8a60@mail.gmail.com> References: <1216328136.3232.28.camel@pc-notebook> <6e24a8e80807291300u48399185q368fcf07428d8a60@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1217361776.3044.26.camel@pc-notebook> On Tue, 2008-07-29 at 22:00 +0200, Mark wrote: > Looking good so far. > Any news on the input field bug? can you fix that in nodoka? or still > no investigation done? ^_^ > Most likely I'll need to wait for GTK3 :-( Martin -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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The basic idea is implementable, one of the > biggest limitations we have is that you should draw stuff only on the > widget's "rectangle of being" otherwise you'll bound to hit problems > with specific cases of repaints of the area, Actually, you can play around with the draw-border style property to overcome this, partially. http://library.gnome.org/devel/gtk/stable/GtkWidget.html#GtkWidget--draw-border I haven't really seen any themes make use of that, so it is possible that there are issues, but the basic mechanism is there. > For the multi-select listview, I noticed in your mockup, I am not sure > if that's possible to implement - as the drawing function is called for > all items separately, but I cannot say now that it's impossible. Not feasible. From martin.sourada at gmail.com Tue Jul 29 20:54:17 2008 From: martin.sourada at gmail.com (Martin Sourada) Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 22:54:17 +0200 Subject: mockup gtk theme In-Reply-To: <1217363901.6838.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1217359709.3044.24.camel@pc-notebook> <1217363901.6838.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1217364857.3044.34.camel@pc-notebook> On Tue, 2008-07-29 at 16:38 -0400, Matthias Clasen wrote: > Actually, you can play around with the draw-border style property to > overcome this, partially. > http://library.gnome.org/devel/gtk/stable/GtkWidget.html#GtkWidget--draw-border > I haven't really seen any themes make use of that, so it is possible > that there are issues, but the basic mechanism is there. > Aah, thanks for the info, I'll perhaps try it out. 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Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 197 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From andyfitz at gmail.com Wed Jul 30 01:34:52 2008 From: andyfitz at gmail.com (Andy Fitzsimon) Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 09:34:52 +0800 Subject: [Nodoka GTK2 Engine] Gathering ideas for next release In-Reply-To: <1217361776.3044.26.camel@pc-notebook> References: <1216328136.3232.28.camel@pc-notebook> <6e24a8e80807291300u48399185q368fcf07428d8a60@mail.gmail.com> <1217361776.3044.26.camel@pc-notebook> Message-ID: I'll be doing a widget factory mock screenshot of glossy nodoka soon From duffy at fedoraproject.org Wed Jul 30 02:01:29 2008 From: duffy at fedoraproject.org (=?UTF-8?B?TcOhaXLDrW4gRHVmZnk=?=) Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 22:01:29 -0400 Subject: mockup gtk theme In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <488FCB79.2050205@fedoraproject.org> Hey Andy, Andy Fitzsimon wrote: > Hi martin, > > If you could help me understand our limitations ill make some more > specific mockups for you > > > http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3021/2706976226_d9d7e58f17_o.png > > http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3049/2706174405_6f7cb0e3a7_o.png > One thing about the mockups - I don't know much about the tech limitations side at all, but I wanted to point out that I think the buttons, tabs, and progress bars are a little fat. I mean, as it is, I've got 1024x768 resolution laptop, and in the gimp I use the small theme rather than the normal default gtk sizes theme, and I still struggle for screen real estate. I have a real estate problem in Inkscape too. I want the buttons and bars to be slimmer... at the size they're at they kind of feel like a child's toy? (Does that make sense? Sort of big fat knobs for little hands? :) ) If they went on a little slimming diet though they'd be perfect. It's a beautiful mockup and I think it feels "Fedora." I think the sizing issues could be worked out with a 'real' mockup rather than the widgetfactory style mockup... then you see them a bit more in context maybe and can size them down appropriately/in proportion? One other piece of feedback! The arrows at the top and bottom of the scrollbars.... that they have the negative space semicircle on them... it makes them look a little agressive, like fangs, when the rest seems soft because of all the rounded corners. You know what I mean? Nodoka today is like that but it's a little more pronounced in the mockup because the grey area of the arrows is a bit more elongated? I kind of feel similarly about the highlighting on the tabs... I think with some minor tweaking the 'fangs' on the tabs would look good though, just a bit of rounding on the sharp point of each fang... not sure how to adjust the ones on the scrollbar though. (Does that make sense?) ~m From duffy at fedoraproject.org Wed Jul 30 02:36:12 2008 From: duffy at fedoraproject.org (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?M=E1ir=EDn_Duffy?=) Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 22:36:12 -0400 Subject: Poster revision In-Reply-To: <1216923454.5114.86.camel@victoria> References: <1216923454.5114.86.camel@victoria> Message-ID: <488FD39C.5020106@fedoraproject.org> Paul W. Frields wrote: > The Marketing team has been discussing how we can organize our future > Fedora messaging around the "4 Foundations" theme (freedom, friends, > features, first). I think people here already know these terms from > elsewhere[1], so I won't belabor the point. :-) Ahhh the f-f-f-f reminds me of the old McDonald's campaign - food, folks, and fun! food folks and fun! You know the one, McDonald's, for food, folks, and fun!!! (now that's stuck in my head, arghhhhhh) "Freedom, friends, and fun! You know the one, Fedora..." ././ ././ > So, I'm asking if the Artwork team can create new poster artwork around > the "4 Foundations," to spread this new message as effectively as the > one you helped build around our logo. I've put this on the design > queue[3] as well. I'm wondering if this could be tied into the F10 artwork theme.... I've been sketching up some steampunky doodles lately. Maybe I'll do some along these lines. Here are some steampunk-inspired ideas: FREEDOM ======= - person strapped to a Wright-Brothers-esque flying contraption (flight is usually associated with freedom... or maybe a steampunky blimp/zeppelin ride with a crowd of steampunky people together waving on the balcony, you also get the community aspect there) - a steamboat floating down a wide river towards a rising sun on the horizon (open spaces, sun coming up, flowing water can all symbolize great potential and/or freedom, I think) FRIENDS ======= - steampunky sailors toasting on deck, their pewter mugs of grog clanking together - maybe a silly idea, but a group of victorian/steampunky clad women in a circle, each knitting a piece together. Maybe what they're knitting is a Fedora flag? - Or maybe a few steampunky people sitting at a steampunky piano playing piano together? (collaboration!) FEATURES ======== - a steampunky rube goldberg machine? (but maybe that gives a false impression that we overengineer!) - a clockmaker with wearing those funky spectacles working on the gears inside a pocket watch (could represent infinity also, if you draw the gears right) - old-style movie camera projecting onto a wall, 3... 2... 1.... fedora! FIRST ===== - a steampunky astronaut putting a Fedora flag on the moon? - a steampunky rail-cart (eg http://www.die-cast-toys.com/plastic-soldiers/swoppets/railcart.jpg) race with the coolest-looking rail-cart driver clearly in first place (maybe he has a Fedora logo on him somewhere or somehow represents Fedora; maybe he has a more interesting wardrobe than the rest so he stands out) - or maybe a steamboat race instead of a railcart race :) ~m From andyfitz at gmail.com Wed Jul 30 04:04:22 2008 From: andyfitz at gmail.com (Andy Fitzsimon) Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 12:04:22 +0800 Subject: mockup gtk theme In-Reply-To: <488FCB79.2050205@fedoraproject.org> References: <488FCB79.2050205@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: heya mizmo, the fatness is something we don't really control that much of for many apps. My mockup is fat happy because I think there is a need to have a theme that can expand to fat later on. i'll make it compact for TWF mockup Speaking of which, Martin, I've attached a real screenshot + the gtkrc of the settings Im using for Nodoka right now. one thing i notice immediately is that the blue scrollbar needs a darker stroke of the specified colour rather than the same light grey stroke. (until that is possible I suggest turning off the custom scrollbar colour). another issue is that there seems to be no way (that i know of ) to remove the lines above / below the toolbar. they give a little too much contrast imo there is also no way I know of to remove the coloured shade inside the tabs or the dots inside the sliders. so it looks like we've got to deal with all of that along with the new drawing methods required to make nodoka do the gloss effects. i'll do this TWF mock now Andy On Wed, Jul 30, 2008 at 10:01 AM, M?ir?n Duffy wrote: > Hey Andy, > > Andy Fitzsimon wrote: >> >> Hi martin, >> >> If you could help me understand our limitations ill make some more >> specific mockups for you >> >> >> http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3021/2706976226_d9d7e58f17_o.png >> >> http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3049/2706174405_6f7cb0e3a7_o.png >> > One thing about the mockups - I don't know much about the tech limitations > side at all, but I wanted to point out that I think the buttons, tabs, and > progress bars are a little fat. I mean, as it is, I've got 1024x768 > resolution laptop, and in the gimp I use the small theme rather than the > normal default gtk sizes theme, and I still struggle for screen real estate. > I have a real estate problem in Inkscape too. I want the buttons and bars to > be slimmer... at the size they're at they kind of feel like a child's toy? > (Does that make sense? Sort of big fat knobs for little hands? :) ) > > If they went on a little slimming diet though they'd be perfect. It's a > beautiful mockup and I think it feels "Fedora." I think the sizing issues > could be worked out with a 'real' mockup rather than the widgetfactory style > mockup... then you see them a bit more in context maybe and can size them > down appropriately/in proportion? > > One other piece of feedback! The arrows at the top and bottom of the > scrollbars.... that they have the negative space semicircle on them... it > makes them look a little agressive, like fangs, when the rest seems soft > because of all the rounded corners. You know what I mean? Nodoka today is > like that but it's a little more pronounced in the mockup because the grey > area of the arrows is a bit more elongated? I kind of feel similarly about > the highlighting on the tabs... I think with some minor tweaking the 'fangs' > on the tabs would look good though, just a bit of rounding on the sharp > point of each fang... not sure how to adjust the ones on the scrollbar > though. > > (Does that make sense?) > > ~m > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list > -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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The basic idea is implementable, one of the > biggest limitations we have is that you should draw stuff only on the > widget's "rectangle of being" otherwise you'll bound to hit problems > with specific cases of repaints of the area, also in gtk 2 there is no > hope for real transparency in Entry and Progress Bars + all other > widgets that contain Entry. We are also slightly limited in the number > of various states, like there is probably no way how to check that > button has state "working...". > > For the multi-select listview, I noticed in your mockup, I am not sure > if that's possible to implement - as the drawing function is called for > all items separately, but I cannot say now that it's impossible. > > That's for the limitations that came to my mind just now, more are > usually discovered during the actual implementation :-p > > Stay tuned on nodoka related topics in the art-list, I'll post link to > documentation-in-progress for the upcoming branch and so far I drafted > the Configuration Options chapter. I added option called "style" which > can be set to CLASSIC (for the current nodoka), MODERN (for the future > default nodoka look, currently present only in my sketches) and GLOSSY > (for your style, if you have better name feel free to suggest it). > > Next section that I'll write will cover the used gradients and > reflections. That should help me in deciding on best way how to > implement gradients/reflections settings in drawing functions in the > actual code, so if you have in mind final version of the gradients you > use (only basic settings, colour will be hopefully treated separately) > email me with the settings. You can also wait till I write the sections > for the CLASSIC and MODERN styles to see what I have in mind, or ask me > to extract them from the svgs you posted :) > > BTW. to see most of the used widgets, together with many of their > available states, you can use thewidgetfactory (in fedora repos, then in > Applications -> Programming -> The Widget Factory). It would be nice if > your "final sketch" would be fake screen-shot of it's window to see how > the theme will look in real environment. > > Thanks, > Martin > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list > > -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: twf.svgz Type: image/svg+xml-compressed Size: 9891 bytes Desc: not available URL: From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Wed Jul 30 07:25:22 2008 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 10:25:22 +0300 Subject: Poster revision In-Reply-To: <488FD39C.5020106@fedoraproject.org> References: <1216923454.5114.86.camel@victoria> <488FD39C.5020106@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <48901762.6000301@nicubunu.ro> M?ir?n Duffy wrote: > > I'm wondering if this could be tied into the F10 artwork theme.... I've > been sketching up some steampunky doodles lately. Maybe I'll do some > along these lines. Here are some steampunk-inspired ideas: Those ideas are just awesome, I like a lot the way you are thinking. However, not sure how practical: they are the opposite of the I/F/V posters, which aimed for simplicity. I for one have doubts I could draw myself such images. But you are better at drawing than me. > FREEDOM > ======= > - person strapped to a Wright-Brothers-esque flying contraption > (flight is usually associated with freedom... or maybe a steampunky > blimp/zeppelin ride with a crowd of steampunky people together waving on > the balcony, you also get the community aspect there) I think I like better the blimp take, only careful to not be to much like the F7 balloon (and not too much like the mozillaZine blimp). > - a steamboat floating down a wide river towards a rising sun on the > horizon (open spaces, sun coming up, flowing water can all symbolize > great potential and/or freedom, I think) The steamboat is fading into the sunset, just like a movie ending "this is the beginning of a beautiful friendship" > FRIENDS > ======= > - steampunky sailors toasting on deck, their pewter mugs of grog > clanking together I like the sailors take and we can say Fedora is Free as in Freedom but also free as in free grog. > - maybe a silly idea, but a group of victorian/steampunky clad women > in a circle, each knitting a piece together. Maybe what they're knitting > is a Fedora flag? And nobody can accuse us that Fedora is a community unfriendly for women :p > - Or maybe a few steampunky people sitting at a steampunky piano > playing piano together? (collaboration!) > > FEATURES > ======== > - a steampunky rube goldberg machine? (but maybe that gives a false > impression that we overengineer!) It does not need to necessarily be a rube goldberg machine ("a deliberately overengineered apparatus that performs a very simple task in very indirect and convoluted fashion" - wikipedia), only a very complex apparatus (leaving alone the part about the simple task). Maybe include a hamster wheel into the device, just for fun. > - a clockmaker with wearing those funky spectacles working on the > gears inside a pocket watch (could represent infinity also, if you draw > the gears right) To simplify the drawing, the clockmaker can be seen from the back, leaning over the device: we see only the back of his head, part of the hands and part of the device. > - old-style movie camera projecting onto a wall, 3... 2... 1.... fedora! > > FIRST > ===== > - a steampunky astronaut putting a Fedora flag on the moon? A good reference could be http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/From_the_Earth_to_the_Moon (which does not involve the landing but is close). > - a steampunky rail-cart (eg > http://www.die-cast-toys.com/plastic-soldiers/swoppets/railcart.jpg) > race with the coolest-looking rail-cart driver clearly in first place > (maybe he has a Fedora logo on him somewhere or somehow represents > Fedora; maybe he has a more interesting wardrobe than the rest so he > stands out) > - or maybe a steamboat race instead of a railcart race :) I think one of those (rail-cart or boat) can work. Maybe use the boat if we also used a boat for freedom and sailors for friendship. -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From andyfitz at gmail.com Wed Jul 30 09:37:58 2008 From: andyfitz at gmail.com (Andy Fitzsimon) Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 17:37:58 +0800 Subject: mockup gtk theme In-Reply-To: References: <1217359709.3044.24.camel@pc-notebook> Message-ID: http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3180/2715830627_a656586a75_o.png png version.. still not done From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Wed Jul 30 08:16:54 2008 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 11:16:54 +0300 Subject: FUDCon Brno tshirts In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <48902376.9080104@nicubunu.ro> Guys, I need a bit of feedback about the design attached, I got an usable photo and made something with it. The question: is good enough the image as it, automatically traced with Inkscape or should I go to the more laborious way of manually tracing it (basically redraw the image using the photo as reference, but in a much simplified/stylized form). -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Please note that I'll most likely enable three different styles in Nodoka - CLASSIC (mostly how it looks now), MODERN (more or less what is in the sketches) and GLOSSY (more or less what Andy is sketching now). I also updated the wiki page [2] and when Andy finishes his widget factory mockup I'll add it there as well :) Suggestions welcome. Thanks, Martin References: [1] http://mso.fedorapeople.org/nodoka/0.8.x/0.8.x.ps [2] https://fedorahosted.org/nodoka/wiki/0.8.x_Brainstorm -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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From nisses.mail at home.se Wed Jul 30 11:09:00 2008 From: nisses.mail at home.se (Andreas Nilsson) Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 13:09:00 +0200 Subject: [Mist/gnome-icon-theme] Missing symlinks in rawhide In-Reply-To: <1216718745.3211.21.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1216718745.3211.21.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <48904BCC.20805@home.se> Martin Sourada wrote: > Hi, > > I recall andreasn called for cooperation in hunting bad citizens in case > of icons usage. As I am on rawhide right now, where the icon-theme-utils > are not used for generating symlinks in Mist and gnome-icon-theme, I > though I could point out some icons that are "missing" ;-) > > From what I noticed, there are these missing icons in the gnome menus: > > * Applications -> Sound & Video -> Avidemux Video Editor (GTK) > - gnome-multimedia > - avidemux-2.4.2-1.lvn10.i386 > > * Applications -> System Tools -> Disk Management > - disks > - usermode-1.97-1.i386 > > * System -> Help > - gnome-help > - yelp-2.22.1-2.fc10.i386 > > * System -> Preferences -> Hardware -> Mouse > - gnome-dev-mouse-optical > - control-center-2.23.4-4.fc10.i386 > > * System -> Preferences -> System -> Authorisations > - gtk-dialog-authentication > - PolicyKit-gnome-0.8-5.fc10.i386 > > * System -> Administration -> Add/Remove Software > - system-software-installer > - gnome-packagekit-0.2.3-4.20080618.fc10.i386 > > * System -> Administration -> Users and Groups > - system-config-users > - system-config-users-1.2.80-1.fc10.noarch > > In addition to that icon for System -> Administration falls back to > bluecurve (I am not sure what icon name it uses). Places -> Bookmarks > uses icon with old gnome design (I am not sure here either about the > icon name). I believe it could use same icon as epiphany uses. I think there is a bug open in GNOME bugzilla about the last one, but I'm not sure. Matthias Clasen asked for help with filing bugs on themes-list [1] a short while ago, so if you could file some bugs in GNOME bugzilla [2] about these issues it would be great! 1. http://mail.gnome.org/archives/gnome-themes-list/2008-July/msg00038.html 2. http://bugzilla.gnome.org/ - Andreas > Also I noticed that the icon that appears in evolution's status bar (on > close button) is displayed as broken image (I believe) instead of the > traditional close icon. > > Martin > From duffy at fedoraproject.org Wed Jul 30 11:43:41 2008 From: duffy at fedoraproject.org (=?UTF-8?B?TcOhaXLDrW4gRHVmZnk=?=) Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 07:43:41 -0400 Subject: [Nodoka GTK2 Engine] Gathering ideas for next release - wiki is up In-Reply-To: References: <1216328136.3232.28.camel@pc-notebook> <1216402840.3232.36.camel@pc-notebook> <26011d820807182153s3693809buf534ca2a86d1fcc7@mail.gmail.com> <48842E91.7060009@nicubunu.ro> <1216640476.3734.7.camel@pc-notebook> <1217411955.3044.42.camel@pc-notebook> Message-ID: <489053ED.6060906@fedoraproject.org> Andy Fitzsimon wrote: > http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3064/2715944871_90222a6bb0_o.png > > most of the mockup is done mate. I hate to bring this up again but I was wondering about the sharp 'fangs'? Do you think it's just not a concern? They still really stand out for me on the orange tab highlights... is it just me? ~m From stickster at gmail.com Wed Jul 30 11:44:31 2008 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 07:44:31 -0400 Subject: Poster revision In-Reply-To: <48901762.6000301@nicubunu.ro> References: <1216923454.5114.86.camel@victoria> <488FD39C.5020106@fedoraproject.org> <48901762.6000301@nicubunu.ro> Message-ID: <1217418271.3694.18.camel@victoria> On Wed, 2008-07-30 at 10:25 +0300, Nicu Buculei wrote: > M?ir?n Duffy wrote: > > > > I'm wondering if this could be tied into the F10 artwork theme.... I've > > been sketching up some steampunky doodles lately. Maybe I'll do some > > along these lines. Here are some steampunk-inspired ideas: > > Those ideas are just awesome, I like a lot the way you are thinking. > However, not sure how practical: they are the opposite of the I/F/V > posters, which aimed for simplicity. > I for one have doubts I could draw myself such images. But you are > better at drawing than me. I think these ideas rock too. > > FREEDOM > > ======= > > - person strapped to a Wright-Brothers-esque flying contraption > > (flight is usually associated with freedom... or maybe a steampunky > > blimp/zeppelin ride with a crowd of steampunky people together waving on > > the balcony, you also get the community aspect there) > > I think I like better the blimp take, only careful to not be to much > like the F7 balloon (and not too much like the mozillaZine blimp). Oh, now you're talking, the Fedora zeppelin! (Cue "The Ocean"...) > > - a steamboat floating down a wide river towards a rising sun on the > > horizon (open spaces, sun coming up, flowing water can all symbolize > > great potential and/or freedom, I think) > > The steamboat is fading into the sunset, just like a movie ending "this > is the beginning of a beautiful friendship" And the steamboat is flying a Fedora flag. In fact, all of the tableaux feature a Fedora logo somehow -- and that's the only occurrence of blue in any of the pictures. The rest of each picture is all that steampunky sepia tone. > > FRIENDS > > ======= > > - steampunky sailors toasting on deck, their pewter mugs of grog > > clanking together > > I like the sailors take and we can say Fedora is Free as in Freedom but > also free as in free grog. Nice, but... > > - maybe a silly idea, but a group of victorian/steampunky clad women > > in a circle, each knitting a piece together. Maybe what they're knitting > > is a Fedora flag? > > And nobody can accuse us that Fedora is a community unfriendly for women :p ...this version includes a Fedora flag/logo, which I think is key to each picture to make it our own. > > - Or maybe a few steampunky people sitting at a steampunky piano > > playing piano together? (collaboration!) > > > > FEATURES > > ======== > > - a steampunky rube goldberg machine? (but maybe that gives a false > > impression that we overengineer!) > > It does not need to necessarily be a rube goldberg machine ("a > deliberately overengineered apparatus that performs a very simple task > in very indirect and convoluted fashion" - wikipedia), only a very > complex apparatus (leaving alone the part about the simple task). Maybe > include a hamster wheel into the device, just for fun. > > > - a clockmaker with wearing those funky spectacles working on the > > gears inside a pocket watch (could represent infinity also, if you draw > > the gears right) > > To simplify the drawing, the clockmaker can be seen from the back, > leaning over the device: we see only the back of his head, part of the > hands and part of the device. > > > - old-style movie camera projecting onto a wall, 3... 2... 1.... fedora! What if every picture was oriented on the steampunky steamboat? So this one would be a shot of the engine room, with a big lit-up Fedora logo as an incandenscent light on the wall. Maybe the logo is a stained-glass front for that light. > > FIRST > > ===== > > - a steampunky astronaut putting a Fedora flag on the moon? > > A good reference could be > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/From_the_Earth_to_the_Moon (which does not > involve the landing but is close). > > > - a steampunky rail-cart (eg > > http://www.die-cast-toys.com/plastic-soldiers/swoppets/railcart.jpg) > > race with the coolest-looking rail-cart driver clearly in first place > > (maybe he has a Fedora logo on him somewhere or somehow represents > > Fedora; maybe he has a more interesting wardrobe than the rest so he > > stands out) > > - or maybe a steamboat race instead of a railcart race :) > > I think one of those (rail-cart or boat) can work. Maybe use the boat if > we also used a boat for freedom and sailors for friendship. Right, the boat ftw! Or we could show the sailors planting a Fedora flag on an undiscovered island... -- Paul W. Frields gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://paul.frields.org/ - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From stickster at gmail.com Wed Jul 30 11:46:07 2008 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 07:46:07 -0400 Subject: FUDCon Brno tshirts In-Reply-To: <48902376.9080104@nicubunu.ro> References: <48902376.9080104@nicubunu.ro> Message-ID: <1217418367.3694.21.camel@victoria> On Wed, 2008-07-30 at 11:16 +0300, Nicu Buculei wrote: > Guys, I need a bit of feedback about the design attached, I got an > usable photo and made something with it. > > The question: is good enough the image as it, automatically traced with > Inkscape or should I go to the more laborious way of manually tracing it > (basically redraw the image using the photo as reference, but in a much > simplified/stylized form). This is beautiful. I do wonder whether the detail in the town can be reproduced well by the T-shirt manufacturer. If it would be problematic, then turning more of the town into silhouette might work. But honestly, I personally love it as is. This one is Max's baby though... :-) -- Paul W. 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Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From andyfitz at gmail.com Wed Jul 30 11:49:14 2008 From: andyfitz at gmail.com (Andy Fitzsimon) Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 21:49:14 +1000 Subject: [Nodoka GTK2 Engine] Gathering ideas for next release - wiki is up In-Reply-To: <489053ED.6060906@fedoraproject.org> References: <1216328136.3232.28.camel@pc-notebook> <1216402840.3232.36.camel@pc-notebook> <26011d820807182153s3693809buf534ca2a86d1fcc7@mail.gmail.com> <48842E91.7060009@nicubunu.ro> <1216640476.3734.7.camel@pc-notebook> <1217411955.3044.42.camel@pc-notebook> <489053ED.6060906@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: its rare that tabs are that small in the wild. the fangs will disapear. :) also hopefully we can still set the roundness fedora-notebook (tabs) On Wed, Jul 30, 2008 at 9:43 PM, M?ir?n Duffy wrote: > Andy Fitzsimon wrote: >> >> http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3064/2715944871_90222a6bb0_o.png >> >> most of the mockup is done mate. > > I hate to bring this up again but I was wondering about the sharp 'fangs'? > Do you think it's just not a concern? They still really stand out for me on > the orange tab highlights... is it just me? > > ~m > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list > From andyfitz at gmail.com Wed Jul 30 11:51:57 2008 From: andyfitz at gmail.com (Andy Fitzsimon) Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 21:51:57 +1000 Subject: [Nodoka GTK2 Engine] Gathering ideas for next release - wiki is up In-Reply-To: References: <1216328136.3232.28.camel@pc-notebook> <1216402840.3232.36.camel@pc-notebook> <26011d820807182153s3693809buf534ca2a86d1fcc7@mail.gmail.com> <48842E91.7060009@nicubunu.ro> <1216640476.3734.7.camel@pc-notebook> <1217411955.3044.42.camel@pc-notebook> <489053ED.6060906@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: actually i think i really messed up on the lightness here. (looking at it on other computers) will fix tomorrow On Wed, Jul 30, 2008 at 9:49 PM, Andy Fitzsimon wrote: > its rare that tabs are that small in the wild. the fangs will disapear. :) > also hopefully we can still set the roundness fedora-notebook (tabs) > > > > On Wed, Jul 30, 2008 at 9:43 PM, M?ir?n Duffy wrote: >> Andy Fitzsimon wrote: >>> >>> http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3064/2715944871_90222a6bb0_o.png >>> >>> most of the mockup is done mate. >> >> I hate to bring this up again but I was wondering about the sharp 'fangs'? >> Do you think it's just not a concern? They still really stand out for me on >> the orange tab highlights... is it just me? >> >> ~m >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Fedora-art-list mailing list >> Fedora-art-list at redhat.com >> http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list >> > From duffy at fedoraproject.org Wed Jul 30 11:52:17 2008 From: duffy at fedoraproject.org (=?UTF-8?B?TcOhaXLDrW4gRHVmZnk=?=) Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 07:52:17 -0400 Subject: FUDCon Brno tshirts In-Reply-To: <48902376.9080104@nicubunu.ro> References: <48902376.9080104@nicubunu.ro> Message-ID: <489055F1.8040708@fedoraproject.org> Hey Nicu! Nicu Buculei wrote: > Guys, I need a bit of feedback about the design attached, I got an > usable photo and made something with it. Very very cool! > > The question: is good enough the image as it, automatically traced with > Inkscape or should I go to the more laborious way of manually tracing it > (basically redraw the image using the photo as reference, but in a much > simplified/stylized form). Here's my thoughts: - I don't think you need to trace, but there is a bit of noise in the Inkscape automatic trace. The way I got rid of this when doing the FUDcon Boston design (my first tries had the same noise) was to boost the contrast of the image in the Gimp first; I think I fiddled with the levels a bit, then duplicated the original layer on top of itself with one of the layer blending modes (I don't remember which one; I just kept playing). If there were some fine details I knew wouldn't come out in the final trace I doctored them out manually with a dark brush! :) - After the Gimp doctoring was done, I tried the Inkscape auto-trace again. It still came out with a few little artifacts/noise, so what I did there is touch the trace with the node select tool, and shift+lassoed and shift+clicked around to try to sweep them up and then deleted them. I did this a lot along the bottom to clear out a natural-looking solid background for the 'BOSTON 2008' text. E.g., that building in the bottom right (and I think there's a waterfall there too?) that is cut off, I'd do some clever selection with the node tool on those nodes and just wipe them completely as if that building wasn't there. - I'd enlarge the font size in 'BRNO 2008' so there isn't as much of a wide kerning between the letters. It may need to be kerned more loosely than the 'BOSTON 2008' one, but right now I think it's too loose to 'match' the 'BOSTON 2008' one, especially in the '2008' letters. Hope this helps! I really like this design so far! ~m From duffy at fedoraproject.org Wed Jul 30 11:54:13 2008 From: duffy at fedoraproject.org (=?UTF-8?B?TcOhaXLDrW4gRHVmZnk=?=) Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 07:54:13 -0400 Subject: [Nodoka GTK2 Engine] Gathering ideas for next release - wiki is up In-Reply-To: References: <1216328136.3232.28.camel@pc-notebook> <1216402840.3232.36.camel@pc-notebook> <26011d820807182153s3693809buf534ca2a86d1fcc7@mail.gmail.com> <48842E91.7060009@nicubunu.ro> <1216640476.3734.7.camel@pc-notebook> <1217411955.3044.42.camel@pc-notebook> <489053ED.6060906@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <48905665.3080002@fedoraproject.org> Andy Fitzsimon wrote: > its rare that tabs are that small in the wild. the fangs will disapear. :) > also hopefully we can still set the roundness fedora-notebook (tabs) Ah okay phew!! :) ~m From br4in5t0rmm at gmail.com Wed Jul 30 11:55:00 2008 From: br4in5t0rmm at gmail.com (Erick Henrique) Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 08:55:00 -0300 Subject: FUDCon Brno tshirts In-Reply-To: <48902376.9080104@nicubunu.ro> References: <48902376.9080104@nicubunu.ro> Message-ID: <67d66b7b0807300455n50c135aem757add34028e318d@mail.gmail.com> Hi Nicu Test to use a halftone efect in the name =) See here a example, ok? http://nerdson.com/blog/ I find that it goes to get a more interesting result. A little with the effect plays halftone, ok. Vlw Erick 2008/7/30 Nicu Buculei > Guys, I need a bit of feedback about the design attached, I got an usable > photo and made something with it. > > The question: is good enough the image as it, automatically traced with > Inkscape or should I go to the more laborious way of manually tracing it > (basically redraw the image using the photo as reference, but in a much > simplified/stylized form). > > -- > nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com > Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ > Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org > my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list > > -- http://www.projetofedora.org http://www.mytoons.com/br4in *********************************************** DESIGN LIVRE *********************************************** <> -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Wed Jul 30 12:05:47 2008 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 15:05:47 +0300 Subject: FUDCon Brno tshirts In-Reply-To: <1217418367.3694.21.camel@victoria> References: <48902376.9080104@nicubunu.ro> <1217418367.3694.21.camel@victoria> Message-ID: <4890591B.4000400@nicubunu.ro> Paul W. Frields wrote: > On Wed, 2008-07-30 at 11:16 +0300, Nicu Buculei wrote: >> Guys, I need a bit of feedback about the design attached, I got an >> usable photo and made something with it. >> >> The question: is good enough the image as it, automatically traced with >> Inkscape or should I go to the more laborious way of manually tracing it >> (basically redraw the image using the photo as reference, but in a much >> simplified/stylized form). > > This is beautiful. I do wonder whether the detail in the town can be > reproduced well by the T-shirt manufacturer. If it would be > problematic, then turning more of the town into silhouette might work. Well, my problem was the opposite, if my vectorization (followed by a simplification) didn't kill too many of the details :p > But honestly, I personally love it as is. This one is Max's baby > though... :-) Yeah, I asked for some opinions on list before going to Max (but who I'm kidding? Max is also watching the thread). -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Wed Jul 30 12:24:15 2008 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 15:24:15 +0300 Subject: FUDCon Brno tshirts In-Reply-To: <67d66b7b0807300455n50c135aem757add34028e318d@mail.gmail.com> References: <48902376.9080104@nicubunu.ro> <67d66b7b0807300455n50c135aem757add34028e318d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <48905D6F.6080409@nicubunu.ro> Erick Henrique wrote: > Test to use a halftone efect in the name =) > > See here a example, ok? > > http://nerdson.com/blog/ > > I find that it goes to get a more interesting result. A little with the > effect plays halftone, ok. That is a cool effect, but I want to stay close to the design used for the Boston conference, so moth images are clearly part of the same family: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Image:Artwork_T(2d)Shirt_fudcon-boston-2008-1_closeup.png -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From mspevack at redhat.com Wed Jul 30 12:30:26 2008 From: mspevack at redhat.com (Max Spevack) Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 14:30:26 +0200 (CEST) Subject: FUDCon Brno tshirts In-Reply-To: <4890591B.4000400@nicubunu.ro> References: <48902376.9080104@nicubunu.ro> <1217418367.3694.21.camel@victoria> <4890591B.4000400@nicubunu.ro> Message-ID: On Wed, 30 Jul 2008, Nicu Buculei wrote: >> But honestly, I personally love it as is. This one is Max's baby >> though... :-) > > Yeah, I asked for some opinions on list before going to Max (but who > I'm kidding? Max is also watching the thread). I think it looks awesome. I echo Paul in wondering whether or not the end result will have sufficient detail... I suppose that is a question we have to ask the manufacturer of the shirts, who has yet to be identified. But in general, i think that is an incredibly cool design. Mo's comments were good too. So more or less, I second all the constructive comments in this thread. Was the original picture one of Jay Turner's? --Max From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Wed Jul 30 13:13:32 2008 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 16:13:32 +0300 Subject: FUDCon Brno tshirts In-Reply-To: References: <48902376.9080104@nicubunu.ro> <1217418367.3694.21.camel@victoria> <4890591B.4000400@nicubunu.ro> Message-ID: <489068FC.2060506@nicubunu.ro> Max Spevack wrote: > On Wed, 30 Jul 2008, Nicu Buculei wrote: > >>> But honestly, I personally love it as is. This one is Max's baby >>> though... :-) >> >> Yeah, I asked for some opinions on list before going to Max (but who >> I'm kidding? Max is also watching the thread). > > I think it looks awesome. I echo Paul in wondering whether or not the > end result will have sufficient detail... I suppose that is a question > we have to ask the manufacturer of the shirts, who has yet to be > identified. But in general, i think that is an incredibly cool design. Reducing details is not hard, I attached an example (traced.png) of how it look with various parameters for the trace option. And on top of that, it can be simplified by hand a lot. > Mo's comments were good too. So more or less, I second all the > constructive comments in this thread. Tried to use some of her comments along with a closer frame, more focus on the cathedral, less on the background buildings, not sure which works better (and I still like her Boston image better). > Was the original picture one of Jay Turner's? Yes, if he is "rhlinuxguy" on flickr - http://flickr.com/photos/linuxguy/2098670932/ As you can see, I flipped the image horizontally for the composition. -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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The way I got rid of this when doing the > FUDcon Boston design (my first tries had the same noise) was to boost > the contrast of the image in the Gimp first; I think I fiddled with the > levels a bit, then duplicated the original layer on top of itself with > one of the layer blending modes (I don't remember which one; I just kept > playing). If there were some fine details I knew wouldn't come out in > the final trace I doctored them out manually with a dark brush! :) Consider the photo I started with: http://flickr.com/photos/linuxguy/2098670932/ I adjusted the color curves a bit and sharpened it. It is a problem with the cathedral lacking contrast and the biulding in front of it being too white. And the trees do not help either. One thing I tried was to adjust the threshold with GIMP, which will turn the image into black and white, but it seems like the result is the same as adjusting the brightness cutoff in Inkscape (the GIMP dialog is a bit friendlier). And the result has to be traced anyway, so it does not look like a big gain. > - After the Gimp doctoring was done, I tried the Inkscape auto-trace > again. It still came out with a few little artifacts/noise, so what I > did there is touch the trace with the node select tool, and > shift+lassoed and shift+clicked around to try to sweep them up and then > deleted them. I did this a lot along the bottom to clear out a > natural-looking solid background for the 'BOSTON 2008' text. E.g., that > building in the bottom right (and I think there's a waterfall there > too?) that is cut off, I'd do some clever selection with the node tool > on those nodes and just wipe them completely as if that building wasn't > there. My first reaction was to use an automatic node reduction, to get the number of nodes down from >9300. but it kills some small details, the windows turn rounded instead of rectangles. > - I'd enlarge the font size in 'BRNO 2008' so there isn't as much of a > wide kerning between the letters. It may need to be kerned more loosely > than the 'BOSTON 2008' one, but right now I think it's too loose to > 'match' the 'BOSTON 2008' one, especially in the '2008' letters. That's a tough choice: increase kerning and not match the original, increase the font size and to not match the original, put a gap between the two words and unbalance the thing or break the font aspect ratio and effectively *not* use the proper font. Attached is an image with less kerning but larger font - I feel the font is a bit too large. > Hope this helps! I really like this design so far! Yes, useful. -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: fudcon2008-brno1-kern.png Type: image/png Size: 90869 bytes Desc: not available URL: From martin.sourada at gmail.com Wed Jul 30 13:56:27 2008 From: martin.sourada at gmail.com (Martin Sourada) Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 15:56:27 +0200 Subject: [F10 Themes] add Cambridge to some of the proposals? Message-ID: <1217426187.3044.50.camel@pc-notebook> Hi, I just thought that since we already have the F10 name (cambridge) that we could try to join it into some of the themes. Perhaps some simplified picture of the Cambridge University in sepia tone would work for steampunk? Or perhaps joining it with Spectrum might generate interesting result. Just a food for thought... Martin -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 197 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Wed Jul 30 14:21:37 2008 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 17:21:37 +0300 Subject: [F10 Themes] add Cambridge to some of the proposals? In-Reply-To: <1217426187.3044.50.camel@pc-notebook> References: <1217426187.3044.50.camel@pc-notebook> Message-ID: <489078F1.5060306@nicubunu.ro> Martin Sourada wrote: > Hi, > > I just thought that since we already have the F10 name (cambridge) that > we could try to join it into some of the themes. Perhaps some simplified > picture of the Cambridge University in sepia tone would work for > steampunk? Or perhaps joining it with Spectrum might generate > interesting result. Just a food for thought... Something like this image (GNU FDL is OK as a license?) with my sepia tutorial[1] applied: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:ClareCollegeAndKingsChapel.jpg But we really want a photographic background? [1] - http://nicubunu.blogspot.com/2008/07/steampunk-photography-gimp-tutorial.html -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From mspevack at redhat.com Wed Jul 30 14:22:07 2008 From: mspevack at redhat.com (Max Spevack) Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 16:22:07 +0200 (CEST) Subject: FUDCon Brno tshirts In-Reply-To: <489068FC.2060506@nicubunu.ro> References: <48902376.9080104@nicubunu.ro> <1217418367.3694.21.camel@victoria> <4890591B.4000400@nicubunu.ro> <489068FC.2060506@nicubunu.ro> Message-ID: On Wed, 30 Jul 2008, Nicu Buculei wrote: >> Was the original picture one of Jay Turner's? > > Yes, if he is "rhlinuxguy" on flickr - > http://flickr.com/photos/linuxguy/2098670932/ > As you can see, I flipped the image horizontally for the composition. Yep, that's him. He's one of our QA managers who spent about a year living in Brno. --Max From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Wed Jul 30 14:08:47 2008 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 17:08:47 +0300 Subject: FUDCon Brno tshirts In-Reply-To: <489055F1.8040708@fedoraproject.org> References: <48902376.9080104@nicubunu.ro> <489055F1.8040708@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <489075EF.9020802@nicubunu.ro> M?ir?n Duffy wrote: > > - I don't think you need to trace, but there is a bit of noise in the > Inkscape automatic trace. The way I got rid of this when doing the > FUDcon Boston design (my first tries had the same noise) was to boost > the contrast of the image in the Gimp first; I think I fiddled with the > levels a bit, then duplicated the original layer on top of itself with > one of the layer blending modes (I don't remember which one; I just kept > playing). If there were some fine details I knew wouldn't come out in > the final trace I doctored them out manually with a dark brush! :) Whoah! I tried those steps with the Boston photo (http://www.flickr.com/photos/b-tal/193801686/) and it works very smoothly (and setting the duplicate layer mode to "divide" is a world of difference. -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From duffy at fedoraproject.org Wed Jul 30 14:37:11 2008 From: duffy at fedoraproject.org (=?UTF-8?B?TcOhaXLDrW4gRHVmZnk=?=) Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 10:37:11 -0400 Subject: FUDCon Brno tshirts In-Reply-To: <489075EF.9020802@nicubunu.ro> References: <48902376.9080104@nicubunu.ro> <489055F1.8040708@fedoraproject.org> <489075EF.9020802@nicubunu.ro> Message-ID: <48907C97.8070709@fedoraproject.org> Nicu Buculei wrote: > M?ir?n Duffy wrote: >> >> - I don't think you need to trace, but there is a bit of noise in the >> Inkscape automatic trace. The way I got rid of this when doing the >> FUDcon Boston design (my first tries had the same noise) was to boost >> the contrast of the image in the Gimp first; I think I fiddled with >> the levels a bit, then duplicated the original layer on top of itself >> with one of the layer blending modes (I don't remember which one; I >> just kept playing). If there were some fine details I knew wouldn't >> come out in the final trace I doctored them out manually with a dark >> brush! :) > > Whoah! I tried those steps with the Boston photo > (http://www.flickr.com/photos/b-tal/193801686/) and it works very > smoothly (and setting the duplicate layer mode to "divide" is a world of > difference. Ah that's not the photo we actually ended up with. It looks like I need to update the T-shirts page! Because the license was non-commerical on that photo, I went and took my own photo of Boston and used that one. You can see the difference: the final t-shirt: http://www.flickr.com/photos/mairin/2591006734/in/set-72157605799609636/ the photo used for the design: http://www.flickr.com/photos/mairin/2540006511/in/set-72157605368533939/ And yeh, the photo I took didn't come out as well as the original photo I used for the design :( ~m From martin.sourada at gmail.com Wed Jul 30 14:45:27 2008 From: martin.sourada at gmail.com (Martin Sourada) Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 16:45:27 +0200 Subject: [F10 Themes] add Cambridge to some of the proposals? In-Reply-To: <489078F1.5060306@nicubunu.ro> References: <1217426187.3044.50.camel@pc-notebook> <489078F1.5060306@nicubunu.ro> Message-ID: <1217429127.3044.56.camel@pc-notebook> On Wed, 2008-07-30 at 17:21 +0300, Nicu Buculei wrote: > Martin Sourada wrote: > > Hi, > > > > I just thought that since we already have the F10 name (cambridge) that > > we could try to join it into some of the themes. Perhaps some simplified > > picture of the Cambridge University in sepia tone would work for > > steampunk? Or perhaps joining it with Spectrum might generate > > interesting result. Just a food for thought... > > Something like this image (GNU FDL is OK as a license?) with my sepia > tutorial[1] applied: > http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:ClareCollegeAndKingsChapel.jpg > > But we really want a photographic background? > > [1] - > http://nicubunu.blogspot.com/2008/07/steampunk-photography-gimp-tutorial.html > I was thinking more along the lines of simplified vector version (i.e. not photographic background), but generally yes, this is what I had in mind. You can think of the steampunk one as if you'd like to carve these buildings on a gold plate or something like that. Does that sound sane to you? Martin -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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(attached) -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: cambridge-gold.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 81705 bytes Desc: not available URL: From tatadbb at gmail.com Wed Jul 30 15:16:22 2008 From: tatadbb at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Mar=EDa_Leandro?=) Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 10:46:22 +1930 Subject: [F10 Themes] add Cambridge to some of the proposals? In-Reply-To: <489082EA.9010507@nicubunu.ro> References: <1217426187.3044.50.camel@pc-notebook> <489078F1.5060306@nicubunu.ro> <1217429127.3044.56.camel@pc-notebook> <489082EA.9010507@nicubunu.ro> Message-ID: <27a6293b0807300816o1c7f50bdl3362331654d593bc@mail.gmail.com> I'm really sorry for what i'm about to say... but you should consider the options that are in the way now; and the time for the round 1 is over. Besides, Fedora is for a lot of countries, and I don't think it could be a good idea make the art based on a location. is just my perception... don't want to make a flame. 2008/7/31 Nicu Buculei > Martin Sourada wrote: > >> I was thinking more along the lines of simplified vector version (i.e. >> not photographic background), but generally yes, this is what I had in >> mind. You can think of the steampunk one as if you'd like to carve these >> buildings on a gold plate or something like that. Does that sound sane >> to you? >> > > Something like the emboss filter and a gold colorization? (attached) > > > -- > nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com > Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ > Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org > my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list > > -- tatica Maria Gracia Leandro http://www.tatica.org http://www.iseit.net http://www.latinux.org http://www.latinux.com http://www.fedora-ve.org http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/MariaLeandro LinuxUser= 440285 GPG Public Key: E1CDCC56 "Be yourself... Don't be anyone else" -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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In-Reply-To: <27a6293b0807300816o1c7f50bdl3362331654d593bc@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1066581942.47191217431204234.JavaMail.root@mail.byte-code.com> +1 if I can say opinion... ----- Messaggio originale ----- Da: "Mar?a Leandro" A: "Discussions about the artwork included with Fedora, including icons, themes, and wallpapers." Inviato: Mercoled?, 30 luglio 2008 17:16:22 GMT +01:00 Amsterdam/Berlino/Berna/Roma/Stoccolma/Vienna Oggetto: Re: [F10 Themes] add Cambridge to some of the proposals? I'm really sorry for what i'm about to say... but you should consider the options that are in the way now; and the time for the round 1 is over. Besides, Fedora is for a lot of countries, and I don't think it could be a good idea make the art based on a location. is just my perception... don't want to make a flame. 2008/7/31 Nicu Buculei < nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro > Martin Sourada wrote: I was thinking more along the lines of simplified vector version (i.e. not photographic background), but generally yes, this is what I had in mind. You can think of the steampunk one as if you'd like to carve these buildings on a gold plate or something like that. Does that sound sane to you? Something like the emboss filter and a gold colorization? (attached) -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro _______________________________________________ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list at redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list -- tatica Maria Gracia Leandro http://www.tatica.org http://www.iseit.net http://www.latinux.org http://www.latinux.com http://www.fedora-ve.org http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/MariaLeandro LinuxUser= 440285 GPG Public Key: E1CDCC56 "Be yourself... Don't be anyone else" _______________________________________________ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list at redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list -- Samuele Storari Art Director Byte-Code srl mobile: +39 347 50 798 32 office: +39 02 9840047 http://www.byte-code.com From hellcomdev at gmail.com Wed Jul 30 15:23:32 2008 From: hellcomdev at gmail.com (RazGriz) Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 12:23:32 -0300 Subject: [F10 Themes] add Cambridge to some of the proposals? In-Reply-To: <27a6293b0807300816o1c7f50bdl3362331654d593bc@mail.gmail.com> References: <1217426187.3044.50.camel@pc-notebook> <489078F1.5060306@nicubunu.ro> <1217429127.3044.56.camel@pc-notebook> <489082EA.9010507@nicubunu.ro> <27a6293b0807300816o1c7f50bdl3362331654d593bc@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1f0d49220807300823x69b18828nefa55e75ee749bfd@mail.gmail.com> +1 2008/7/30 Mar?a Leandro > I'm really sorry for what i'm about to say... but you should consider the > options that are in the way now; and the time for the round 1 is over. > Besides, Fedora is for a lot of countries, and I don't think it could be a > good idea make the art based on a location. > > is just my perception... don't want to make a flame. > > 2008/7/31 Nicu Buculei > >> Martin Sourada wrote: >> >>> I was thinking more along the lines of simplified vector version (i.e. >>> not photographic background), but generally yes, this is what I had in >>> mind. You can think of the steampunk one as if you'd like to carve these >>> buildings on a gold plate or something like that. Does that sound sane >>> to you? >>> >> >> Something like the emboss filter and a gold colorization? (attached) >> >> >> -- >> nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com >> Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ >> Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org >> my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Fedora-art-list mailing list >> Fedora-art-list at redhat.com >> http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list >> >> > > > -- > tatica > Maria Gracia Leandro > http://www.tatica.org > http://www.iseit.net > http://www.latinux.org > http://www.latinux.com > http://www.fedora-ve.org > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/MariaLeandro > LinuxUser= 440285 > GPG Public Key: E1CDCC56 > "Be yourself... Don't be anyone else" > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list > > -- RazGriz The Solo_-Wing. Diretor de Arte GNU-LIA--=www.gnu-lia.org 2 Tons Comunica??o Revista Fedora Brasil Portal O-Gimp -=-=:Quem constr?i a realidade ? voc?. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From martin.sourada at gmail.com Wed Jul 30 16:05:10 2008 From: martin.sourada at gmail.com (Martin Sourada) Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 18:05:10 +0200 Subject: [F10 Themes] add Cambridge to some of the proposals? In-Reply-To: <27a6293b0807300816o1c7f50bdl3362331654d593bc@mail.gmail.com> References: <1217426187.3044.50.camel@pc-notebook> <489078F1.5060306@nicubunu.ro> <1217429127.3044.56.camel@pc-notebook> <489082EA.9010507@nicubunu.ro> <27a6293b0807300816o1c7f50bdl3362331654d593bc@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1217433910.3044.65.camel@pc-notebook> On Thu, 2008-07-31 at 10:46 +0000, =?ISO-8859-1?Q? Mar=EDa_Leandro _ wrote: > I'm really sorry for what i'm about to say... but you should consider > the options that are in the way now; and the time for the round 1 is > over. Besides, Fedora is for a lot of countries, and I don't think it > could be a good idea make the art based on a location. > > is just my perception... don't want to make a flame. > I didn't intend to make new proposal, but rather suggest to take the release name into account in Round 2. Work with it *inside* the options that are in the "game". If people are okay with it and willing to implement it, then it's cool, if not, then it's OK as well. The most important thing is the final result. We received lot of positive *and* negative feedback on the sulphuric waves during last release and as a result we changed it to something better on the last minute, but I don't feel like if it was dead end. It was also quite well accepted in the Alpha/Beta/Gamma...err...Final release banners ;-) And I also feel that Cambridge has more artistic potential than sulphur ;-) Martin -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 197 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From martin.sourada at gmail.com Wed Jul 30 16:09:19 2008 From: martin.sourada at gmail.com (Martin Sourada) Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 18:09:19 +0200 Subject: [F10 Themes] add Cambridge to some of the proposals? In-Reply-To: <489082EA.9010507@nicubunu.ro> References: <1217426187.3044.50.camel@pc-notebook> <489078F1.5060306@nicubunu.ro> <1217429127.3044.56.camel@pc-notebook> <489082EA.9010507@nicubunu.ro> Message-ID: <1217434159.3044.70.camel@pc-notebook> On Wed, 2008-07-30 at 18:04 +0300, Nicu Buculei wrote: > Martin Sourada wrote: > > I was thinking more along the lines of simplified vector version (i.e. > > not photographic background), but generally yes, this is what I had in > > mind. You can think of the steampunk one as if you'd like to carve these > > buildings on a gold plate or something like that. Does that sound sane > > to you? > > Something like the emboss filter and a gold colorization? (attached) > Yeah, something like that. If it was intended for the final wallpaper I'd however add some more steampunk effects, make the contrast a lot less (the way it is now is nice, but too distractive) and perhaps use only the building(s). Also the level of detail could be IMHO even less. 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But adding a bit of other color doesn't hurt, IMHO. -- Ian Weller http://ianweller.org GnuPG fingerprint: E51E 0517 7A92 70A2 4226 B050 87ED 7C97 EFA8 4A36 "Technology is a word that describes something that doesn't work yet." ~ Douglas Adams -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 197 bytes Desc: not available URL: From ianweller at gmail.com Wed Jul 30 18:05:19 2008 From: ianweller at gmail.com (Ian Weller) Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 13:05:19 -0500 Subject: [F10 Themes] add Cambridge to some of the proposals? In-Reply-To: <489078F1.5060306@nicubunu.ro> References: <1217426187.3044.50.camel@pc-notebook> <489078F1.5060306@nicubunu.ro> Message-ID: <20080730180519.GD6240@gmail.com> On Wed, Jul 30, 2008 at 05:21:37PM +0300, Nicu Buculei wrote: > Something like this image (GNU FDL is OK as a license?) with my sepia > tutorial[1] applied: > http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:ClareCollegeAndKingsChapel.jpg > This is also CC-BY-SA. Also an OK license. > But we really want a photographic background? > IMHO, no. I've enjoyed the creativity of the art team much more than what realism provides :D -- Ian Weller http://ianweller.org GnuPG fingerprint: E51E 0517 7A92 70A2 4226 B050 87ED 7C97 EFA8 4A36 "Technology is a word that describes something that doesn't work yet." ~ Douglas Adams -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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But > adding a bit of other color doesn't hurt, IMHO. > > -- > Ian Weller http://ianweller.org > GnuPG fingerprint: E51E 0517 7A92 70A2 4226 B050 87ED 7C97 EFA8 4A36 > "Technology is a word that describes something that doesn't work yet." > ~ Douglas Adams > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list > > -- RazGriz The Solo_-Wing. Diretor de Arte GNU-LIA--=www.gnu-lia.org 2 Tons Comunica??o Revista Fedora Brasil Portal O-Gimp -=-=:Quem constr?i a realidade ? voc?. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gmureddu at prodigy.net.mx Wed Jul 30 18:31:11 2008 From: gmureddu at prodigy.net.mx (Gian Paolo Mureddu) Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 13:31:11 -0500 Subject: Does blue make you blue? In-Reply-To: <1217440366.3694.75.camel@victoria> References: <1217440366.3694.75.camel@victoria> Message-ID: <4890B36F.8010702@prodigy.net.mx> Paul W. Frields escribi?: > Does the Artwork team think, overall, that using a blue palette for our > desktop theme (background) helps Fedora with its identity and branding? > Do you want to continue that for Fedora 10? > In my opinion Blue has become part of the Fedora identity, from the Logo to the desktop themes and defaults. Sure some other colors blended in with it are welcome, but I do believe that Blue now has an identity to Fedora as much as red did for Red Hat back in the day (I mean in the days of Red Hat Linux as the free version of Red Hat). From luca at foppiano.org Wed Jul 30 18:43:07 2008 From: luca at foppiano.org (Luca Foppiano) Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 20:43:07 +0200 Subject: Fedora 9 CD/DVDs Message-ID: <1217443387.3493.7.camel@sboing.byte-code.lan> Hi all, I sent a mail few day ago about Italian Linux Day that will be on October 25th. We will bet on Fedora USB fill station, but we wish to have also CD/DVDs to give away, we won't to spend money to print CDs.. there are still Fedora 9 CD/DVDs left? Unfortunately, we can't provide Fedora 10, because it will come out about few days after October 25th . I hope someone can reply to me. thanks luca -- Today is Sweetmorn, the 65th day of Confusion in the YOLD 3174 Q: Why did the astrophysicist order three hamburgers? A: Because he was hungry. From gnomeuser at gmail.com Wed Jul 30 18:46:11 2008 From: gnomeuser at gmail.com (David Nielsen) Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 20:46:11 +0200 Subject: Does blue make you blue? In-Reply-To: <1217440366.3694.75.camel@victoria> References: <1217440366.3694.75.camel@victoria> Message-ID: <1dedbbfc0807301146g3107d01anef6c93e94a24451@mail.gmail.com> Den 30. jul. 2008 19.52 skrev Paul W. Frields : > Does the Artwork team think, overall, that using a blue palette for our > desktop theme (background) helps Fedora with its identity and branding? > Do you want to continue that for Fedora 10? As a user I would love to see us break free of the blue prison, it looks dated and should be put down with all manners of mercy possible. I think it hurts us to stick with the blue theme and unlike other competing distros not work towards a unified look over several cycles. Getting a more integrated artwork effort, making sure we get a good vision of where we want to go and working with our programmers to bring the required technology onboard over say 4 releases, making sure our icons, backgrounds and theme look like a whole. - David -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jubriaco at gmail.com Wed Jul 30 18:55:31 2008 From: jubriaco at gmail.com (Jared Ubriaco) Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 14:55:31 -0400 Subject: Does blue make you blue? In-Reply-To: <1dedbbfc0807301146g3107d01anef6c93e94a24451@mail.gmail.com> References: <1217440366.3694.75.camel@victoria> <1dedbbfc0807301146g3107d01anef6c93e94a24451@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: I agree with Gian Mureddu when I think Fedora I remember the Blue as its main characteristic. Just as he said redhat = red and I myself link Orange with Ubuntu. imo color choice is part of branding getting rid of blue in its entirety would be a bad move, however I agree with other statements made about adding more color. Just trying to give input I am a novice at best with art design. 2008/7/30 David Nielsen > > > Den 30. jul. 2008 19.52 skrev Paul W. Frields : > >> Does the Artwork team think, overall, that using a blue palette for our >> desktop theme (background) helps Fedora with its identity and branding? >> Do you want to continue that for Fedora 10? > > > As a user I would love to see us break free of the blue prison, it looks > dated and should be put down with all manners of mercy possible. I think it > hurts us to stick with the blue theme and unlike other competing distros not > work towards a unified look over several cycles. Getting a more integrated > artwork effort, making sure we get a good vision of where we want to go and > working with our programmers to bring the required technology onboard over > say 4 releases, making sure our icons, backgrounds and theme look like a > whole. > > - David > > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From diegobz at gmail.com Wed Jul 30 18:59:16 2008 From: diegobz at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Diego_B=FArigo_Zacar=E3o?=) Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 15:59:16 -0300 Subject: Does blue make you blue? In-Reply-To: <1217440366.3694.75.camel@victoria> References: <1217440366.3694.75.camel@victoria> Message-ID: <6600c1b10807301159j709d2af9m82d08202bc88fd@mail.gmail.com> Hello, Paul! 2008/7/30 Paul W. Frields > Does the Artwork team think, overall, that using a blue palette for our > desktop theme (background) helps Fedora with its identity and branding? > Do you want to continue that for Fedora 10? > > IMHO, definitely blue it's the Fedora's color. I guess that others colors could be used, but alway the blue must to predominate, unless we want change it, however I give a -1 for this changing. Regards -- Diego B?rigo Zacar?o Linux User #402589 USE SOFTWARE LIVRE -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tatadbb at gmail.com Wed Jul 30 19:00:41 2008 From: tatadbb at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Mar=EDa_Leandro?=) Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 14:30:41 +1930 Subject: Does blue make you blue? In-Reply-To: References: <1217440366.3694.75.camel@victoria> <1dedbbfc0807301146g3107d01anef6c93e94a24451@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <27a6293b0807301200q68fadaeckaceb7f20d1a2a4fa@mail.gmail.com> I remember that once, someone propose to use a little of yellow... I think this could be a great colour to use with our blue palette.... What about the mascot issue?? we could start to join the new colour to users with something to associate it. (mascot, wallpaper, banners...) just like happened with F9 brown banner. 2008/7/31 Jared Ubriaco > I agree with Gian Mureddu when I think Fedora I remember the Blue as its > main characteristic. Just as he said redhat = red and I myself link Orange > with Ubuntu. imo color choice is part of branding getting rid of blue in its > entirety would be a bad move, however I agree with other statements made > about adding more color. Just trying to give input I am a novice at best > with art design. > > 2008/7/30 David Nielsen > >> >> >> Den 30. jul. 2008 19.52 skrev Paul W. Frields : >> >>> Does the Artwork team think, overall, that using a blue palette for our >>> desktop theme (background) helps Fedora with its identity and branding? >>> Do you want to continue that for Fedora 10? >> >> >> As a user I would love to see us break free of the blue prison, it looks >> dated and should be put down with all manners of mercy possible. I think it >> hurts us to stick with the blue theme and unlike other competing distros not >> work towards a unified look over several cycles. Getting a more integrated >> artwork effort, making sure we get a good vision of where we want to go and >> working with our programmers to bring the required technology onboard over >> say 4 releases, making sure our icons, backgrounds and theme look like a >> whole. >> >> - David >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Fedora-art-list mailing list >> Fedora-art-list at redhat.com >> http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list > > -- tatica Maria Gracia Leandro http://www.tatica.org http://www.iseit.net http://www.latinux.org http://www.latinux.com http://www.fedora-ve.org http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/MariaLeandro LinuxUser= 440285 GPG Public Key: E1CDCC56 "Be yourself... Don't be anyone else" -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From stickster at gmail.com Wed Jul 30 19:25:09 2008 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 19:25:09 +0000 Subject: Does blue make you blue? In-Reply-To: <27a6293b0807301200q68fadaeckaceb7f20d1a2a4fa@mail.gmail.com> References: <1217440366.3694.75.camel@victoria> <1dedbbfc0807301146g3107d01anef6c93e94a24451@mail.gmail.com> <27a6293b0807301200q68fadaeckaceb7f20d1a2a4fa@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1217445909.3694.113.camel@victoria> On Thu, 2008-07-31 at 14:30 +0000, =?ISO-8859-1?Q? Mar=EDa_Leandro _ wrote: > I remember that once, someone propose to use a little of yellow... I > think this could be a great colour to use with our blue palette.... > > What about the mascot issue?? we could start to join the new colour to > users with something to associate it. (mascot, wallpaper, banners...) > just like happened with F9 brown banner. If anyone would like to have the mascot discussion again, please use another thread, this one is taken! :-D Seriously, let's just keep this discussion focused on the one issue -- the blue palette. -- Paul W. Frields gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://paul.frields.org/ - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From mspevack at redhat.com Wed Jul 30 19:31:51 2008 From: mspevack at redhat.com (Max Spevack) Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 21:31:51 +0200 (CEST) Subject: Does blue make you blue? In-Reply-To: <4890B36F.8010702@prodigy.net.mx> References: <1217440366.3694.75.camel@victoria> <4890B36F.8010702@prodigy.net.mx> Message-ID: On Wed, 30 Jul 2008, Gian Paolo Mureddu wrote: > In my opinion Blue has become part of the Fedora identity, from the > Logo to the desktop themes and defaults. Sure some other colors > blended in with it are welcome, but I do believe that Blue now has an > identity to Fedora as much as red did for Red Hat back in the day (I > mean in the days of Red Hat Linux as the free version of Red Hat). Blue = Fedora. Mix in some other stuff as appropriate, but I believe that Blue is now "our" color. We shouldn't give that up. Ubuntu has brown, OpenSuse has green. Red Hat has red. We have blue. Personally, I like that we maintain that general blue-ish feel. Play with the shades if you like, mix in some spice and variety if you like, but I think Fedora should always be identifiable with the color blue. Just my $.02, Max From stickster at gmail.com Wed Jul 30 19:33:10 2008 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 19:33:10 +0000 Subject: [F10 Themes] add Cambridge to some of the proposals? In-Reply-To: <20080730180519.GD6240@gmail.com> References: <1217426187.3044.50.camel@pc-notebook> <489078F1.5060306@nicubunu.ro> <20080730180519.GD6240@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1217446390.3694.119.camel@victoria> On Wed, 2008-07-30 at 13:05 -0500, Ian Weller wrote: > On Wed, Jul 30, 2008 at 05:21:37PM +0300, Nicu Buculei wrote: > > Something like this image (GNU FDL is OK as a license?) with my sepia > > tutorial[1] applied: > > http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:ClareCollegeAndKingsChapel.jpg > > > This is also CC-BY-SA. Also an OK license. > > > But we really want a photographic background? > > > IMHO, no. I've enjoyed the creativity of the art team much more than > what realism provides :D Not as FPL, but as user: +1. -- Paul W. Frields gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://paul.frields.org/ - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From frankly3d at gmail.com Wed Jul 30 19:54:20 2008 From: frankly3d at gmail.com (Frank Murphy) Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 20:54:20 +0100 Subject: Does blue make you blue? In-Reply-To: <1217440366.3694.75.camel@victoria> References: <1217440366.3694.75.camel@victoria> Message-ID: <1217447660.30452.2.camel@frank-01> On Wed, 2008-07-30 at 17:52 +0000, Paul W. Frields wrote: > Does the Artwork team think, overall, that using a blue palette for our > desktop theme (background) helps Fedora with its identity and branding? > Do you want to continue that for Fedora 10? > Blue is fine as long as the "Smurfs" don't get upset. Complementary colours can be used. There are also a variety of Non-PC wallpapers available, for them that prefer differences. FRank From frankly3d at gmail.com Wed Jul 30 19:58:39 2008 From: frankly3d at gmail.com (Frank Murphy) Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 20:58:39 +0100 Subject: [F10 Themes] add Cambridge to some of the proposals? In-Reply-To: <27a6293b0807300816o1c7f50bdl3362331654d593bc@mail.gmail.com> References: <1217426187.3044.50.camel@pc-notebook> <489078F1.5060306@nicubunu.ro> <1217429127.3044.56.camel@pc-notebook> <489082EA.9010507@nicubunu.ro> <27a6293b0807300816o1c7f50bdl3362331654d593bc@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1217447919.30452.7.camel@frank-01> On Thu, 2008-07-31 at 10:46 +0000, Mar?a Leandro wrote: > I'm really sorry for what i'm about to say... but you should consider > the options that are in the way now; and the time for the round 1 is > over. Besides, Fedora is for a lot of countries, and I don't think it > could be a good idea make the art based on a location. > > is just my perception... don't want to make a flame. > > 2008/7/31 Nicu Buculei > Martin Sourada wrote: > I was thinking more along the lines of simplified > vector version (i.e. > not photographic background), but generally yes, this > is what I had in > mind. You can think of the steampunk one as if you'd > like to carve these > buildings on a gold plate or something like that. Does > that sound sane > to you? > > > Something like the emboss filter and a gold colorization? > (attached) > Your opinion is as valid as the next, personally I see nothing wrong with the "cambridge". As most non-uk\western users will not matter\care \know where it is. I would suggest though thet the church be taken out. Frank > From empoweringlinux at gmail.com Wed Jul 30 20:03:41 2008 From: empoweringlinux at gmail.com (Sri Ram) Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 01:33:41 +0530 Subject: Does blue make you blue? In-Reply-To: <1217440366.3694.75.camel@victoria> References: <1217440366.3694.75.camel@victoria> Message-ID: <2d2e2de00807301303v2ed52f8dn3e0055007fb38f03@mail.gmail.com> Does the Artwork team think, overall, that using a blue palette for our > desktop theme (background) helps Fedora with its identity and branding? > Do you want to continue that for Fedora 10? In Fedora 10, along with blue color, some colors like shaded blue should be mixed. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gmureddu at prodigy.net.mx Wed Jul 30 20:03:59 2008 From: gmureddu at prodigy.net.mx (Gian Paolo Mureddu) Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 15:03:59 -0500 Subject: Does blue make you blue? In-Reply-To: References: <1217440366.3694.75.camel@victoria> <4890B36F.8010702@prodigy.net.mx> Message-ID: <4890C92F.1090302@prodigy.net.mx> Max Spevack escribi?: > On Wed, 30 Jul 2008, Gian Paolo Mureddu wrote: > >> In my opinion Blue has become part of the Fedora identity, from the >> Logo to the desktop themes and defaults. Sure some other colors >> blended in with it are welcome, but I do believe that Blue now has an >> identity to Fedora as much as red did for Red Hat back in the day (I >> mean in the days of Red Hat Linux as the free version of Red Hat). > > Blue = Fedora. Mix in some other stuff as appropriate, but I believe > that Blue is now "our" color. We shouldn't give that up. Ubuntu has > brown, OpenSuse has green. Red Hat has red. We have blue. > Personally, I like that we maintain that general blue-ish feel. Play > with the shades if you like, mix in some spice and variety if you > like, but I think Fedora should always be identifiable with the color > blue. > > Just my $.02, > Max My thoughts exactly. The color has become part of the identity of the distribution itself, as much as other colors have become part of other distributions. Other distributions may share colors as well: green SuSE and Mint, purple Gentoo and Mandriva or blue Fedora and Arch. And I like our Blue-ish hue. From mmcgrath at redhat.com Wed Jul 30 22:39:40 2008 From: mmcgrath at redhat.com (Mike McGrath) Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 17:39:40 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Does blue make you blue? In-Reply-To: <4890C92F.1090302@prodigy.net.mx> References: <1217440366.3694.75.camel@victoria> <4890B36F.8010702@prodigy.net.mx> <4890C92F.1090302@prodigy.net.mx> Message-ID: On Wed, 30 Jul 2008, Gian Paolo Mureddu wrote: > Max Spevack escribi?: > > On Wed, 30 Jul 2008, Gian Paolo Mureddu wrote: > > > > > In my opinion Blue has become part of the Fedora identity, from the Logo > > > to the desktop themes and defaults. Sure some other colors blended in > > > with it are welcome, but I do believe that Blue now has an identity to > > > Fedora as much as red did for Red Hat back in the day (I mean in the days > > > of Red Hat Linux as the free version of Red Hat). > > > > Blue = Fedora. Mix in some other stuff as appropriate, but I believe that > > Blue is now "our" color. We shouldn't give that up. Ubuntu has brown, > > OpenSuse has green. Red Hat has red. We have blue. Personally, I like that > > we maintain that general blue-ish feel. Play with the shades if you like, > > mix in some spice and variety if you like, but I think Fedora should always > > be identifiable with the color blue. > > > > Just my $.02, > > Max > > My thoughts exactly. The color has become part of the identity of the > distribution itself, as much as other colors have become part of other > distributions. Other distributions may share colors as well: green SuSE and > Mint, purple Gentoo and Mandriva or blue Fedora and Arch. And I like our > Blue-ish hue. > And we picked a good blue. It's pretty darn sexy for a blue. -Mike From tshimulu at gmail.com Wed Jul 30 23:44:11 2008 From: tshimulu at gmail.com (Luya Tshimbalanga) Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 16:44:11 -0700 Subject: Does blue make you blue? In-Reply-To: <1217440366.3694.75.camel@victoria> References: <1217440366.3694.75.camel@victoria> Message-ID: Sharing the agreement that blue is definitely the identity of Fedora. In some extend, it reminds a certain blue character named Sonic The Hedgehog because of the fast pace of development. -- Luya Tshimbalanga http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/LuyaTshimbalanga Fedora Project Contributor Fedora Artwork -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tshimulu at gmail.com Wed Jul 30 23:52:10 2008 From: tshimulu at gmail.com (Luya Tshimbalanga) Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 16:52:10 -0700 Subject: [Echo] preference-system-date sketches In-Reply-To: <1217358431.3044.6.camel@pc-notebook> References: <487471A1.9080203@fedoraproject.org> <1215642520.27713.29.camel@pc-notebook> <487DA39E.8050707@fedoraproject.org> <1216195480.2975.1.camel@pc-notebook> <487DB385.5030705@fedoraproject.org> <1216205376.2975.6.camel@pc-notebook> <488985C3.8070006@fedoraproject.org> <1217358431.3044.6.camel@pc-notebook> Message-ID: 2008/7/29 Martin Sourada > > Sorry for the slow response but I was more or less off net :) > It's alright. I have been busy as well. > > The clock in 16x16 icon is blurry, in 22x22 it *might* be made visually > more massive (perhaps make the blue outline thicker?). Otherwise it > looks good. > I noticed the blurriness on 16x16 icon. I will reduce the gradient inside the clock and fix alignment. -- Luya Tshimbalanga http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/LuyaTshimbalanga Fedora Project Contributor Fedora Artwork -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tshimulu at gmail.com Thu Jul 31 00:00:03 2008 From: tshimulu at gmail.com (Luya Tshimbalanga) Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 17:00:03 -0700 Subject: [F10 Themes] add Cambridge to some of the proposals? In-Reply-To: <27a6293b0807300816o1c7f50bdl3362331654d593bc@mail.gmail.com> References: <1217426187.3044.50.camel@pc-notebook> <489078F1.5060306@nicubunu.ro> <1217429127.3044.56.camel@pc-notebook> <489082EA.9010507@nicubunu.ro> <27a6293b0807300816o1c7f50bdl3362331654d593bc@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: 2008/7/30 Mar?a Leandro > I'm really sorry for what i'm about to say... but you should consider the > options that are in the way now; and the time for the round 1 is over. > Besides, Fedora is for a lot of countries, and I don't think it could be a > good idea make the art based on a location. > You can pick an element that is associated with that location and make it through illustration, abstractions. Themes from round 1 can still be used and adapted, all of them are mockup. That is where creativity is coming to rescue. =) -- Luya Tshimbalanga http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/LuyaTshimbalanga Fedora Project Contributor Fedora Artwork -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From michael.d.beckwith at gmail.com Thu Jul 31 02:44:44 2008 From: michael.d.beckwith at gmail.com (Michael Beckwith) Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 21:44:44 -0500 Subject: [F10 Themes] add Cambridge to some of the proposals? In-Reply-To: <20080730180519.GD6240@gmail.com> References: <1217426187.3044.50.camel@pc-notebook> <489078F1.5060306@nicubunu.ro> <20080730180519.GD6240@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4891271C.2070502@gmail.com> Ian Weller wrote: > On Wed, Jul 30, 2008 at 05:21:37PM +0300, Nicu Buculei wrote: > >> Something like this image (GNU FDL is OK as a license?) with my sepia >> tutorial[1] applied: >> http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:ClareCollegeAndKingsChapel.jpg >> >> > This is also CC-BY-SA. Also an OK license. > > >> But we really want a photographic background? >> >> > IMHO, no. I've enjoyed the creativity of the art team much more than > what realism provides :D > > I think Ian brings up a good point here. Anyone and their grandma using linux can take some random photo or photo based on a theme idea, and put it on their wallpaper. However, we as artists should desire to take our theming a step further by creating something from scratch, and going through the trials and errors that go along with it. I think it produces artwork to be more happy about. > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list > -- ~Michael http://michaelbox.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Frields wrote: > Does the Artwork team think, overall, that using a blue palette for our > desktop theme (background) helps Fedora with its identity and branding? > Do you want to continue that for Fedora 10? > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list > -- ~Michael http://michaelbox.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ianweller at gmail.com Thu Jul 31 04:57:54 2008 From: ianweller at gmail.com (Ian Weller) Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 23:57:54 -0500 Subject: Does blue make you blue? In-Reply-To: <489127AE.9020806@gmail.com> References: <1217440366.3694.75.camel@victoria> <489127AE.9020806@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20080731045754.GA4877@gmail.com> On Wed, Jul 30, 2008 at 09:47:10PM -0500, Michael Beckwith wrote: > That said, the dominant color within that logo is blue, so I think blue > is automatically implied with fedora through association. > And oh, how it has! -- Ian Weller http://ianweller.org GnuPG fingerprint: E51E 0517 7A92 70A2 4226 B050 87ED 7C97 EFA8 4A36 "Technology is a word that describes something that doesn't work yet." ~ Douglas Adams -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 197 bytes Desc: not available URL: From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Thu Jul 31 05:47:54 2008 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 08:47:54 +0300 Subject: [F10 Themes] add Cambridge to some of the proposals? In-Reply-To: <27a6293b0807300816o1c7f50bdl3362331654d593bc@mail.gmail.com> References: <1217426187.3044.50.camel@pc-notebook> <489078F1.5060306@nicubunu.ro> <1217429127.3044.56.camel@pc-notebook> <489082EA.9010507@nicubunu.ro> <27a6293b0807300816o1c7f50bdl3362331654d593bc@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4891520A.5020002@nicubunu.ro> Mar?a Leandro wrote: > I'm really sorry for what i'm about to say... but you should consider > the options that are in the way now; and the time for the round 1 is You are basically right, no new concepts after Round 1, but what Martin asked for was integrating with an existing proposal. I see no harm in playing a few minutes with an image, if it works, try to pursue it, if not, look forward. But speaking about rounds, I think is about the time for us to do something Round 2 worthy with the existing proposals. > over. Besides, Fedora is for a lot of countries, and I don't think it > could be a good idea make the art based on a location. But *we* (as the community, in a public vote, where you and me voted) selected a location as the release name, then why avoid it? -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Thu Jul 31 05:50:19 2008 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 08:50:19 +0300 Subject: Some Ubuntu people about our team In-Reply-To: <20080730175906.GB6240@gmail.com> References: <489086A0.30003@nicubunu.ro> <20080730175906.GB6240@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4891529B.3000009@nicubunu.ro> Ian Weller wrote: > On Wed, Jul 30, 2008 at 06:20:00PM +0300, Nicu Buculei wrote: >> http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/idea/5992/ >> > "With 8.10 there going to hold contest with deviant art. And that will > have outstanding results." Interesting. Yup, typical Ubuntu: "let's do our contests on some closed site with closed infrastructure. But hey, maybe this will bring us more eyeballs". -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Thu Jul 31 06:12:19 2008 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 09:12:19 +0300 Subject: Does blue make you blue? In-Reply-To: <1217440366.3694.75.camel@victoria> References: <1217440366.3694.75.camel@victoria> Message-ID: <489157C3.3050105@nicubunu.ro> Paul W. Frields wrote: > Does the Artwork team think, overall, that using a blue palette for our > desktop theme (background) helps Fedora with its identity and branding? > Do you want to continue that for Fedora 10? I wonder if it is the case to add my own rely just to join a chorus agreeing about the use of blue (maybe with some other colors added). Many people already said why I think using blue is good. I like that we are recognizable, someone see a Fedora screen only for a short moment and is able to say: that is Fedora. PS: is really a bad thing to "feel blue"? -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Thu Jul 31 06:26:50 2008 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 09:26:50 +0300 Subject: [F10 Themes] add Cambridge to some of the proposals? In-Reply-To: <1217447919.30452.7.camel@frank-01> References: <1217426187.3044.50.camel@pc-notebook> <489078F1.5060306@nicubunu.ro> <1217429127.3044.56.camel@pc-notebook> <489082EA.9010507@nicubunu.ro> <27a6293b0807300816o1c7f50bdl3362331654d593bc@mail.gmail.com> <1217447919.30452.7.camel@frank-01> Message-ID: <48915B2A.60600@nicubunu.ro> Frank Murphy wrote: > Your opinion is as valid as the next, personally I see nothing wrong > with the "cambridge". As most non-uk\western users will not matter\care > \know where it is. I would suggest though thet the church be taken out. This is an interesting point you make. I am myself opposed to using religious symbols, but there are case when a church is more than that, as an example, I used a cathedral on the T-shirt design for the Brno FUDCon as our friends in Brno tell us that building is *the* representative landmark of the city (dunno if that is the case for the Cambridge chapel). Beyond that, if would be just lame for us to use a photo taken from Wikipedia (even if the license in Free) for more than a rough sketch and the lack of original photos may be a real blocker for such a theme design. -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From ivazqueznet at gmail.com Thu Jul 31 07:00:20 2008 From: ivazqueznet at gmail.com (Ignacio Vazquez-Abrams) Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 03:00:20 -0400 Subject: Does blue make you blue? In-Reply-To: <1217440366.3694.75.camel@victoria> References: <1217440366.3694.75.camel@victoria> Message-ID: <1217487620.31053.31.camel@ignacio.lan> On Wed, 2008-07-30 at 17:52 +0000, Paul W. Frields wrote: > Does the Artwork team think, overall, that using a blue palette for our > desktop theme (background) helps Fedora with its identity and branding? > Do you want to continue that for Fedora 10? I'm sorry, but every time we cover this topic I get this stuck in my head: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mL2UsAbI1hg -- Ignacio Vazquez-Abrams PLEASE don't CC me; I'm already subscribed -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From frankly3d at gmail.com Thu Jul 31 07:57:50 2008 From: frankly3d at gmail.com (Frank Murphy) Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 08:57:50 +0100 Subject: [F10 Themes] add Cambridge to some of the proposals? In-Reply-To: <1217426187.3044.50.camel@pc-notebook> References: <1217426187.3044.50.camel@pc-notebook> Message-ID: <1217491070.3917.1.camel@frank-01> On Wed, 2008-07-30 at 15:56 +0200, Martin Sourada wrote: > Hi, > > I just thought that since we already have the F10 name (cambridge) that > we could try to join it into some of the themes. Perhaps some simplified > picture of the Cambridge University in sepia tone would work for > steampunk? Or perhaps joining it with Spectrum might generate > interesting result. Just a food for thought... > > Martin Cambridge is known for it's University (and Inspector Morse :)) But maybe think graduate, head-piece, gown, that could also tie in? Frank From stickster at gmail.com Thu Jul 31 11:52:17 2008 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 07:52:17 -0400 Subject: Does blue make you blue? In-Reply-To: <1217487620.31053.31.camel@ignacio.lan> References: <1217440366.3694.75.camel@victoria> <1217487620.31053.31.camel@ignacio.lan> Message-ID: <1217505137.12970.6.camel@victoria> On Thu, 2008-07-31 at 03:00 -0400, Ignacio Vazquez-Abrams wrote: > On Wed, 2008-07-30 at 17:52 +0000, Paul W. Frields wrote: > > Does the Artwork team think, overall, that using a blue palette for our > > desktop theme (background) helps Fedora with its identity and branding? > > Do you want to continue that for Fedora 10? > > I'm sorry, but every time we cover this topic I get this stuck in my > head: > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mL2UsAbI1hg Awesome! :-D -- Paul W. Frields gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://paul.frields.org/ - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Now the only missing one is the GLASSY one. Andy is working on it and I am looking forward to the finished work. You can check all the designs at the usual place [1] (SVGs are available at the bottom of the page), I also attach the MODERN Widget Factory mock-up here. I did various improvements from the previous sketches, but I am still not fully content with the scrollbar design and the arrows design. Any ideas? Comments, suggestions, ... welcome :-) Thanks, Martin PS: Final version (the real one) will probably make use of brighter colours, but as I played with the current sketches in inkscape, it somehow ended with those present in the mock-up :-D References: [1] https://fedorahosted.org/nodoka/wiki/0.8.x_Brainstorm -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: twf-modern.png Type: image/png Size: 61629 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Csaba Farkas (Farki) From hellcomdev at gmail.com Thu Jul 31 21:51:00 2008 From: hellcomdev at gmail.com (RazGriz) Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 18:51:00 -0300 Subject: Apply to be a new In-Reply-To: <48923251.20800@pr.hu> References: <48923251.20800@pr.hu> Message-ID: <1f0d49220807311451g5983b91cpe5ec30519545435f@mail.gmail.com> Hi, welcome onboard =] , can you send some stuff for us? =] best regards Razgriz. On Thu, Jul 31, 2008 at 6:44 PM, Farkas Csaba wrote: > Hi! > > My name is Csaba Farkas alias Farki, from Hungary. I am 31 years old. I > would like to apply to be member of the Artwork Team. I have affinity to > learn design and new things . I am a very beginner in artwork. Originally am > a software developer. Now I want to try out myself in this kind of work. For > designing, generally I used GIMP. I made wallpapers, web page designs > (banners, buttons, graph menus) and basic icons. Actually I use only mouse > for the scatch :-) > > Why I change from software developing? Because I wanted to make something > nice and shiny ;-) and I think it relaxes me... :-) > > Take a try... > > Best regards! > > Csaba Farkas > (Farki) > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list > -- RazGriz The Solo_-Wing. Diretor de Arte GNU-LIA--=www.gnu-lia.org 2 Tons Comunica??o Revista Fedora Brasil Portal O-Gimp -=-=:Quem constr?i a realidade ? voc?. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: