From herlo1 at gmail.com Wed Oct 1 00:11:04 2008 From: herlo1 at gmail.com (Clint Savage) Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2008 18:11:04 -0600 Subject: Fedora Four F's Button Submission Message-ID: Not that anyone requested this, but I wanted to practice my inkscape skills and thought this a nice challenge. I've played with this a bunch of times and have included two links to share for those who wouldn't mind reviewing my work. http://herlo.fedorapeople.org/files/fedora_four_fs.png http://herlo.fedorapeople.org/files/fedora_four_fs.svg Thanks for the input and I hope this is a good contribution to the art team. Cheers, Clint From luya at fedoraproject.org Wed Oct 1 01:43:17 2008 From: luya at fedoraproject.org (Luya Tshimbalanga) Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2008 18:43:17 -0700 Subject: [Echo] New image-missing icon set In-Reply-To: <1222685311.3274.10.camel@pc-notebook> References: <48E0A43E.8000803@fedoraproject.org> <1222685311.3274.10.camel@pc-notebook> Message-ID: <48E2D5B5.6020907@fedoraproject.org> New version of image-missing based on gnome metaphor. I have create a template called paper-template which will be the base of incoming mimetype icons. Luya References: ---------------- http://luya.fedorapeople.org/echo/status/ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image-missing.png Type: image/png Size: 25964 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 259 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From jreznik at redhat.com Wed Oct 1 05:47:59 2008 From: jreznik at redhat.com (Jaroslav Reznik) Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 01:47:59 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Another Solar Update & remaining F10 release tasks (volunteers needed!) In-Reply-To: <1167976451.955101222839943637.JavaMail.root@zmail02.collab.prod.int.phx2.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1792660347.955151222840079472.JavaMail.root@zmail02.collab.prod.int.phx2.redhat.com> ----- "Charlie Brej" wrote: > M?ir?n Duffy wrote: > > Pavel Shevchuk wrote: > >> On Tue, Sep 30, 2008 at 7:25 PM, Jaroslav Reznik > wrote: > >>> I like that Plymouth mockup but I'm afraid there > >>> is no time to implement it for KSplash. > >> Plymouth splash doesn't display progress. > > > > It does, doesn't it? > > > > ~m > > It will do. Ray committed the progress branch to main yesterday and we > now have > the option of having some kind of progress bar/timer/... Just need > some ideas now. Nice! Is there already Solar theme for Plymouth or some graphics prepared? So I can use it in KSplash theme. And of course idea for progress bar. R. > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Wed Oct 1 06:02:39 2008 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Wed, 01 Oct 2008 09:02:39 +0300 Subject: Another Solar Update & remaining F10 release tasks (volunteers needed!) In-Reply-To: <48E26155.6080107@prodigy.net.mx> References: <1255830698.708571222788905404.JavaMail.root@zmail02.collab.prod.int.phx2.redhat.com> <48E247F4.5080609@nicubunu.ro> <48E26155.6080107@prodigy.net.mx> Message-ID: <48E3127F.9020106@nicubunu.ro> Gian Paolo Mureddu wrote: > Nicu Buculei escribi?: >> >> And I think it will work only on select AMD graphic cards. > > I think it is actually AMD and Intel graphics cards which support this > (AFAIK mode setting was recently added to the ati driver, and it has > been present for a longer time (since F9) on the Intel driver. Support > is driver dependent rather than "hardware" dependent, but yeah, only a > couple drivers currently support it. From the Beta release notes: "Currently, only Radeon R500 and higher users will get kernel modesetting by default. There is work in progress to provide modesetting for R100 and R200. Additionally, Intel kernel modesetting drivers are in development, but not turned on by default. " -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From jreznik at redhat.com Wed Oct 1 06:11:39 2008 From: jreznik at redhat.com (Jaroslav Reznik) Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 02:11:39 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Another Solar Update & remaining F10 release tasks (volunteers needed!) In-Reply-To: <48E3127F.9020106@nicubunu.ro> Message-ID: <227730101.956411222841499732.JavaMail.root@zmail02.collab.prod.int.phx2.redhat.com> ----- "Nicu Buculei" wrote: > Gian Paolo Mureddu wrote: > > Nicu Buculei escribi?: > >> > >> And I think it will work only on select AMD graphic cards. > > > > I think it is actually AMD and Intel graphics cards which support > this > > (AFAIK mode setting was recently added to the ati driver, and it has > > > been present for a longer time (since F9) on the Intel driver. > Support > > is driver dependent rather than "hardware" dependent, but yeah, only > a > > couple drivers currently support it. > > From the Beta release notes: > "Currently, only Radeon R500 and higher users will get kernel > modesetting by default. There is work in progress to provide > modesetting > for R100 and R200. Additionally, Intel kernel modesetting drivers are > in > development, but not turned on by default. " Looks more like feature for F11. R. > -- > nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com > Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ > Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org > my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Wed Oct 1 06:14:39 2008 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Wed, 01 Oct 2008 09:14:39 +0300 Subject: Fedora Four F's Button Submission In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <48E3154F.6090506@nicubunu.ro> Clint Savage wrote: > Not that anyone requested this, but I wanted to practice my inkscape > skills and thought this a nice challenge. > > I've played with this a bunch of times and have included two links to > share for those who wouldn't mind reviewing my work. > > http://herlo.fedorapeople.org/files/fedora_four_fs.png > http://herlo.fedorapeople.org/files/fedora_four_fs.svg I think you can increase the font size a bit, if the button is a small one (2.5cm, and *I* personally prefer small buttons) it may be hard to read. -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From luya at fedoraproject.org Wed Oct 1 07:43:06 2008 From: luya at fedoraproject.org (Luya Tshimbalanga) Date: Wed, 01 Oct 2008 00:43:06 -0700 Subject: fedora forum banner Message-ID: <48E32A0A.5000700@fedoraproject.org> Fedora forum just got upgraded recently. I took some opportunity to redesign the banner by replacing the fedora hat with the logo. "forum" word is using MgOpen Modata typeface and the background will remain the same. I would like to verify if the banner is legal and can be used on Fedora forum. You will see the current banner and the concept. Luya -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: fedoraforumlogo.gif Type: image/gif Size: 6620 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: banner.png Type: image/png Size: 8540 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: banner.svg Type: image/svg+xml Size: 15437 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 259 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From luya at fedoraproject.org Wed Oct 1 07:58:49 2008 From: luya at fedoraproject.org (Luya Tshimbalanga) Date: Wed, 01 Oct 2008 00:58:49 -0700 Subject: [Echo] New image-missing icon set and emote-template In-Reply-To: <48E2D5B5.6020907@fedoraproject.org> References: <48E0A43E.8000803@fedoraproject.org> <1222685311.3274.10.camel@pc-notebook> <48E2D5B5.6020907@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <48E32DB9.1000401@fedoraproject.org> Updated image-missing icon set[1]. I also created both paper-template from that set and a template for emotes[2]. The latter uses colours from the logo Echo, face-smile received some slight modifications which will happened after essential icons before the release of Fedora 10 is done. 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Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 259 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From martin.sourada at gmail.com Wed Oct 1 09:11:57 2008 From: martin.sourada at gmail.com (Martin Sourada) Date: Wed, 01 Oct 2008 11:11:57 +0200 Subject: [Echo] New image-missing icon set In-Reply-To: <48E2D5B5.6020907@fedoraproject.org> References: <48E0A43E.8000803@fedoraproject.org> <1222685311.3274.10.camel@pc-notebook> <48E2D5B5.6020907@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <1222852317.3355.11.camel@pc-notebook> On Tue, 2008-09-30 at 18:43 -0700, Luya Tshimbalanga wrote: > New version of image-missing based on gnome metaphor. I have create a > template called paper-template which will be the base of incoming > mimetype icons. > > Luya > > References: > ---------------- > http://luya.fedorapeople.org/echo/status/ > Yeah, this metaphor looks better to me. In 256x256 the paper has some minor rendering issues and the outline should not be that thick, in other sizes it's blurry. 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Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 197 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From martin.sourada at gmail.com Wed Oct 1 09:12:49 2008 From: martin.sourada at gmail.com (Martin Sourada) Date: Wed, 01 Oct 2008 11:12:49 +0200 Subject: [Echo] New image-missing icon set and emote-template In-Reply-To: <48E32DB9.1000401@fedoraproject.org> References: <48E0A43E.8000803@fedoraproject.org> <1222685311.3274.10.camel@pc-notebook> <48E2D5B5.6020907@fedoraproject.org> <48E32DB9.1000401@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <1222852369.3355.13.camel@pc-notebook> On Wed, 2008-10-01 at 00:58 -0700, Luya Tshimbalanga wrote: > Updated image-missing icon set[1]. I also created both paper-template > from that set and a template > for emotes[2]. The latter uses colours from the logo Echo, face-smile > received some slight modifications which will happened after essential > icons before the release of Fedora 10 is done. > > Luya > The emotes template looks pretty good, looks in my other email for comments on the paper template. Martin -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 197 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Wed Oct 1 09:14:06 2008 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Wed, 01 Oct 2008 12:14:06 +0300 Subject: [Echo] New preferences-desktop-theme icon set draft In-Reply-To: <48E33B7D.8060400@fedoraproject.org> References: <48E33B7D.8060400@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <48E33F5E.9020804@nicubunu.ro> Luya Tshimbalanga wrote: > Looking to other icons, ideas about shirts for colour theme does not > really convince. Instead, > this version use a simple tile sheet with primary colours from the light > (can be used with printing or organic colours as well). Feedback welcome. I think it is too simple, 3 colored planes are not a metaphor for changing the look of the desktop. How about having 2 or 3 application windows in different colors? As implementation, the 32x32 version make me think about a bar chart. Also, I think you may want to use other colors, usually the RGB triplet is used to suggest something relate to setting up your display (like color profiles). -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From martin.sourada at gmail.com Wed Oct 1 09:14:11 2008 From: martin.sourada at gmail.com (Martin Sourada) Date: Wed, 01 Oct 2008 11:14:11 +0200 Subject: [Echo] New preferences-desktop-theme icon set draft In-Reply-To: <48E33B7D.8060400@fedoraproject.org> References: <48E33B7D.8060400@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <1222852451.3355.15.camel@pc-notebook> On Wed, 2008-10-01 at 01:57 -0700, Luya Tshimbalanga wrote: > Looking to other icons, ideas about shirts for colour theme does not > really convince. Instead, > this version use a simple tile sheet with primary colours from the light > (can be used with printing or organic colours as well). Feedback welcome. > > Luya It's not just changing colours, you can change there everything from background to font... I suggest you stick with the t-shirt analogy, IMHO it works pretty good. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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How about having 2 or 3 application > windows in different colors? Might try that. I will make tshirt version as suggested by Martin. Luya -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 259 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From fedora-art at brej.org Wed Oct 1 09:47:01 2008 From: fedora-art at brej.org (Charlie Brej) Date: Wed, 01 Oct 2008 10:47:01 +0100 Subject: Another Solar Update & remaining F10 release tasks (volunteers needed!) In-Reply-To: <1792660347.955151222840079472.JavaMail.root@zmail02.collab.prod.int.phx2.redhat.com> References: <1792660347.955151222840079472.JavaMail.root@zmail02.collab.prod.int.phx2.redhat.com> Message-ID: <48E34715.9010503@brej.org> Jaroslav Reznik wrote: > ----- "Charlie Brej" wrote: > >> M?ir?n Duffy wrote: >>> Pavel Shevchuk wrote: >>>> On Tue, Sep 30, 2008 at 7:25 PM, Jaroslav Reznik >> wrote: >>>>> I like that Plymouth mockup but I'm afraid there >>>>> is no time to implement it for KSplash. >>>> Plymouth splash doesn't display progress. >>> It does, doesn't it? >>> >>> ~m >> It will do. Ray committed the progress branch to main yesterday and we >> now have >> the option of having some kind of progress bar/timer/... Just need >> some ideas now. > > Nice! Is there already Solar theme for Plymouth or some graphics > prepared? So I can use it in KSplash theme. And of course idea > for progress bar. There is one in the wiki[1] but the graphics used might need to be altered to reflect the latest changes to the backgrounds. I have been playing with some progress ideas[2] but it is still to be decided. [1] https://fedoraproject.org/w/uploads/3/34/F10-solar-plymouth1.swf [2] http://www.cs.man.ac.uk/~brejc8/temp/7.swf From duffy at dangerouslyinc.com Wed Oct 1 00:52:02 2008 From: duffy at dangerouslyinc.com (duffy at dangerouslyinc.com) Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2008 17:52:02 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Fedora Four F's Button Submission In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <678fba111693e489c537a1291078e1e9.squirrel@webmail.dangerouslyinc.com> Hey Clint, > Not that anyone requested this, but I wanted to practice my inkscape > skills and thought this a nice challenge. > > I've played with this a bunch of times and have included two links to > share for those who wouldn't mind reviewing my work. > > http://herlo.fedorapeople.org/files/fedora_four_fs.png > http://herlo.fedorapeople.org/files/fedora_four_fs.svg > > Thanks for the input and I hope this is a good contribution to the art > team. This looks great! One thing I would suggest, is instead of centering the text along a line down the center, I would center the text along a line that goes from the upper left to the lower right, so the text is rotated around maybe 45 degrees. Does that make sense? I think it might balance it a bit... right now because the text on the bottom is so much shorter, it makes the design look bowed out on the top and skinny on the bottom. Does that make sense? ~m From duffy at fedoraproject.org Wed Oct 1 13:27:50 2008 From: duffy at fedoraproject.org (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?M=E1ir=EDn_Duffy?=) Date: Wed, 01 Oct 2008 09:27:50 -0400 Subject: fedora forum banner In-Reply-To: <48E32A0A.5000700@fedoraproject.org> References: <48E32A0A.5000700@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <48E37AD6.8020305@fedoraproject.org> Hi Luya, Luya Tshimbalanga wrote: > Fedora forum just got upgraded recently. I took some opportunity to > redesign the banner by replacing the fedora hat with the logo. "forum" > word is using MgOpen Modata typeface and the background will remain the > same. I would like to verify if the banner is legal and can be used on > Fedora forum. You will see the current banner and the concept. If the logomark and logotype are used as two separate design elements, they are going to need more clear spacing between them. See: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Logo/UsageGuidelines#Logo_Clear_Space http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Logo/UsageGuidelines#Never_Rearrange_Elements_of_the_Logo What I would strongly recommend is to plan the design around the standard logo form with the logotype on the left and the logomark to the upper right of the logotype. ~m From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Wed Oct 1 16:51:22 2008 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Wed, 01 Oct 2008 22:21:22 +0530 Subject: fedora forum banner In-Reply-To: <48E32A0A.5000700@fedoraproject.org> References: <48E32A0A.5000700@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <48E3AA8A.3060106@fedoraproject.org> Luya Tshimbalanga wrote: > Fedora forum just got upgraded recently. I took some opportunity to > redesign the banner by replacing the fedora hat with the logo. "forum" > word is using MgOpen Modata typeface and the background will remain the > same. I would like to verify if the banner is legal and can be used on > Fedora forum. You will see the current banner and the concept. > I would strongly recommending taking this opportunity to replace the blue hat with something else. Rahul From duffy at fedoraproject.org Wed Oct 1 17:42:36 2008 From: duffy at fedoraproject.org (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?M=E1ir=EDn_Duffy?=) Date: Wed, 01 Oct 2008 13:42:36 -0400 Subject: fedora forum banner In-Reply-To: <48E3AA8A.3060106@fedoraproject.org> References: <48E32A0A.5000700@fedoraproject.org> <48E3AA8A.3060106@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <48E3B68C.6070100@fedoraproject.org> Rahul Sundaram wrote: > Luya Tshimbalanga wrote: >> Fedora forum just got upgraded recently. I took some opportunity to >> redesign the banner by replacing the fedora hat with the logo. "forum" >> word is using MgOpen Modata typeface and the background will remain the >> same. I would like to verify if the banner is legal and can be used on >> Fedora forum. You will see the current banner and the concept. >> > > I would strongly recommending taking this opportunity to replace the > blue hat with something else. That's what Luya is doing. :) He included the current one for reference, his new design didn't have a hat in it. ~m From luya at fedoraproject.org Wed Oct 1 19:42:54 2008 From: luya at fedoraproject.org (Luya Tshimbalanga) Date: Wed, 01 Oct 2008 12:42:54 -0700 Subject: fedora forum banner In-Reply-To: <48E37AD6.8020305@fedoraproject.org> References: <48E32A0A.5000700@fedoraproject.org> <48E37AD6.8020305@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <48E3D2BE.1010903@fedoraproject.org> Hi M?ir?n, M?ir?n Duffy a ?crit : > If the logomark and logotype are used as two separate design elements, > they are going to need more clear spacing between them. See: > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Logo/UsageGuidelines#Logo_Clear_Space > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Logo/UsageGuidelines#Never_Rearrange_Elements_of_the_Logo > > What I would strongly recommend is to plan the design around the > standard logo form with the logotype on the left and the logomark to the > upper right of the logotype. > > Following the recommendation, the space for the logo brand is set at x/2 as minimum due to the size of banner. "Community Support" is above "forum word. Feedback welcome. Luya -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: banner_v2.png Type: image/png Size: 7650 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: banner_v2.svg Type: image/svg+xml Size: 27070 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available URL: From duffy at fedoraproject.org Thu Oct 2 18:35:49 2008 From: duffy at fedoraproject.org (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?M=E1ir=EDn_Duffy?=) Date: Thu, 02 Oct 2008 14:35:49 -0400 Subject: Fedora Remix design In-Reply-To: <20081002165816.GH15653@victoria-eth.internal.frields.org> References: <20081002165816.GH15653@victoria-eth.internal.frields.org> Message-ID: <48E51485.8080404@fedoraproject.org> Paul W. Frields wrote: > I left some comments on the proposal for a Fedora Remix mark design > here: > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Pfrields/Secondary_trademark_design > > Did anyone, Nicu included, want to revisit it, or make an alternative > proposal? You could either consider my comments, or come up with > something new. Remember that no logo is desired, just a design based > on the words themselves. I just uploaded a bunch of stuffs :) ~m From herlo1 at gmail.com Thu Oct 2 18:38:59 2008 From: herlo1 at gmail.com (Clint Savage) Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2008 12:38:59 -0600 Subject: Fedora Remix design In-Reply-To: <20081002165816.GH15653@victoria-eth.internal.frields.org> References: <20081002165816.GH15653@victoria-eth.internal.frields.org> Message-ID: 2008/10/2 Paul W. Frields : > I left some comments on the proposal for a Fedora Remix mark design > here: > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Pfrields/Secondary_trademark_design > > Did anyone, Nicu included, want to revisit it, or make an alternative > proposal? You could either consider my comments, or come up with > something new. Remember that no logo is desired, just a design based > on the words themselves. I have interest in creating it, just haven't found the time...maybe this weekend. Cheers, Clint From martin.sourada at gmail.com Thu Oct 2 20:53:23 2008 From: martin.sourada at gmail.com (Martin Sourada) Date: Thu, 02 Oct 2008 22:53:23 +0200 Subject: [Echo] New image-missing icon set In-Reply-To: <48E3453A.9030905@fedoraproject.org> References: <48E0A43E.8000803@fedoraproject.org> <1222685311.3274.10.camel@pc-notebook> <48E2D5B5.6020907@fedoraproject.org> <1222852317.3355.11.camel@pc-notebook> <48E3453A.9030905@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <1222980803.3450.14.camel@pc-notebook> On Wed, 2008-10-01 at 02:39 -0700, Luya Tshimbalanga wrote: > Martin Sourada a ?crit : > > Yeah, this metaphor looks better to me. In 256x256 the paper has some > > minor rendering issues and the outline should not be that thick, in > > other sizes it's blurry. > > > > > Using the new paper-template, here is an update. > > Luya I've slightly changed the 22x22 version of the paper template to be more consistent with the other variants (basically I made it 1 pixel shorter), you should update the image-missing too (the change is small but makes it look better). When done I have no further comments. Don't forget to hide the plate layer before commit (in the template SVG it is displayed intentionally) ;-) I also created a script for checking if the icon is ready for commit. I attach it. Just extract it somewhere, cd to the echo-icon-check directory and use it: echo-icon-check . It should detect all most obvious problems (and some of them prints as warnings, the fatal ones as errors). It will be included in the echo-artist-0.2.0 but I plan complete rewrite of code for that release to better use what ruby can do, to have there less duplicities and maybe even make a gtk front-end (but that will take some time to do). I appreciate feedback on it so that when its released officially, it would be a really helpful utility. You can try to run it on the paper-template I attached to see that it prints an error that plate layer is not hidden and when you hide it it still complains about missing group labelled scalable, which is OK for a template, but not for an icon. ;-) I hope the printed errors are worded good enough... Martin -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: paper-template.png Type: image/png Size: 16908 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Frields wrote: > > I left some comments on the proposal for a Fedora Remix mark design > > here: > > > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Pfrields/Secondary_trademark_design > > > > Did anyone, Nicu included, want to revisit it, or make an alternative > > proposal? You could either consider my comments, or come up with > > something new. Remember that no logo is desired, just a design based > > on the words themselves. > > I just uploaded a bunch of stuffs :) Hey, neat! I like 9 and 13 the most. What do you think about incorporating reverse print on a banner for the "Remix" word in 13? Or do you think that's too... I dunno, too much? Putting that aside, what about incorporating that arrow elsewhere, like pointing up in the 'i' of Remix? Maybe less is more in this case too. -- Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available URL: From herlo1 at gmail.com Fri Oct 3 00:01:03 2008 From: herlo1 at gmail.com (Clint Savage) Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2008 18:01:03 -0600 Subject: Fedora Remix design In-Reply-To: <20081002220613.GE30013@victoria-eth.internal.frields.org> References: <20081002165816.GH15653@victoria-eth.internal.frields.org> <48E51485.8080404@fedoraproject.org> <20081002220613.GE30013@victoria-eth.internal.frields.org> Message-ID: 2008/10/2 Paul W. Frields : > On Thu, Oct 02, 2008 at 02:35:49PM -0400, =?ISO-8859-1?Q?M=E1ir=EDn_Duffy_ wrote: >> Paul W. Frields wrote: >> > I left some comments on the proposal for a Fedora Remix mark design >> > here: >> > >> > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Pfrields/Secondary_trademark_design >> > >> > Did anyone, Nicu included, want to revisit it, or make an alternative >> > proposal? You could either consider my comments, or come up with >> > something new. Remember that no logo is desired, just a design based >> > on the words themselves. >> >> I just uploaded a bunch of stuffs :) > > Hey, neat! I like 9 and 13 the most. What do you think about > incorporating reverse print on a banner for the "Remix" word in 13? > Or do you think that's too... I dunno, too much? > > Putting that aside, what about incorporating that arrow elsewhere, > like pointing up in the 'i' of Remix? Maybe less is more in this case > too. > I added a design today as well. I'm glad someone reminded me about this as I really wanted to submit something. I hope this design works well. Cheers, Clint From pfrields at redhat.com Thu Oct 2 16:51:30 2008 From: pfrields at redhat.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2008 12:51:30 -0400 Subject: Fedora Remix design Message-ID: <20081002165130.GF15653@victoria-eth.internal.frields.org> I left some comments on the proposal for a Fedora Remix mark design here: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Pfrields/Secondary_trademark_design Did anyone, Nicu included, want to revisit it, or make an alternative proposal? You could either consider my comments, or come up with something new. Remember that no logo is desired, just a design based on the words themselves. -- Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I was looking for some fresh inspiration... here is something based on mizmo's work: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Image:Fedora_secondary_logo_drafts_nicubunu_mizmo.svg -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Fri Oct 3 07:24:49 2008 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Fri, 03 Oct 2008 10:24:49 +0300 Subject: Fedora Remix design In-Reply-To: References: <20081002165816.GH15653@victoria-eth.internal.frields.org> <48E51485.8080404@fedoraproject.org> <20081002220613.GE30013@victoria-eth.internal.frields.org> Message-ID: <48E5C8C1.2080605@nicubunu.ro> Clint Savage wrote: > > I added a design today as well. I'm glad someone reminded me about > this as I really wanted to submit something. I hope this design works > well. Clint, hope you don't mind some criticism: - the "remix" word is too small compared with the rest of the logo, you if you have the logo to a small size, it will be unreadable (it is barely readable even in the thumbnail you posted). Make it larger, as *it* is the focus here; - there is a new trend to have logos in full color, mainly in the case when the logos are used exclusively on the web (this is why some call them "web 2.0 logos"), but I think we need here something more traditional, with less colors: I believe one of the uses of this logo is to have it printed on CD labels, where the number of colors matters. -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From luya at fedoraproject.org Fri Oct 3 07:39:03 2008 From: luya at fedoraproject.org (Luya Tshimbalanga) Date: Fri, 03 Oct 2008 00:39:03 -0700 Subject: [Echo] New image-missing icon set In-Reply-To: <1222980803.3450.14.camel@pc-notebook> References: <48E0A43E.8000803@fedoraproject.org> <1222685311.3274.10.camel@pc-notebook> <48E2D5B5.6020907@fedoraproject.org> <1222852317.3355.11.camel@pc-notebook> <48E3453A.9030905@fedoraproject.org> <1222980803.3450.14.camel@pc-notebook> Message-ID: <48E5CC17.7070006@fedoraproject.org> Martin Sourada a ?crit : > I've slightly changed the 22x22 version of the paper template to be more > consistent with the other variants (basically I made it 1 pixel > shorter), you should update the image-missing too (the change is small > but makes it look better). When done I have no further comments. Don't > forget to hide the plate layer before commit (in the template SVG it is > displayed intentionally) ;-) > > Done. > I also created a script for checking if the icon is ready for commit. I > attach it. Just extract it somewhere, cd to the echo-icon-check > directory and use it: echo-icon-check . It should > detect all most obvious problems (and some of them prints as warnings, > the fatal ones as errors). > I have tested that script. It does its job. I think you should add quote like "Done. No error reported". > > I appreciate feedback on it so that when its released officially, it > would be a really helpful utility. You can try to run it on the > paper-template I attached to see that it prints an error that plate > layer is not hidden and when you hide it it still complains about > missing group labelled scalable, which is OK for a template, but not for > an icon. ;-) I hope the printed errors are worded good enough... > Speaking about paper-template, it will be nice to set a directory to store such template in git repository. Luya -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I think of having them part of the echo-artist scripts (so in git they would be in the echo-artist sources), as well as available directly on the Guidelines page. I just also though about adding some gradient definitions to the templates - so that we would use gradients easily and consistently (the most used ones like gray, white, blue, green, metallic, orange, brown, yellow). What do you think of it? > Luya Martin -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I just also though about adding some gradient > definitions to the templates - so that we would use gradients easily and > consistently (the most used ones like gray, white, blue, green, > metallic, orange, brown, yellow). What do you think of it? > > That makes sense so other artists will have easy access to these templates. Luya -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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And if you are going with themed windows, they need some details: a few buttons and panels. -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Fri Oct 3 09:24:52 2008 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Fri, 03 Oct 2008 12:24:52 +0300 Subject: [Echo] New image-missing icon set In-Reply-To: <1223024182.5475.6.camel@pc-notebook> References: <48E0A43E.8000803@fedoraproject.org> <1222685311.3274.10.camel@pc-notebook> <48E2D5B5.6020907@fedoraproject.org> <1222852317.3355.11.camel@pc-notebook> <48E3453A.9030905@fedoraproject.org> <1222980803.3450.14.camel@pc-notebook> <48E5CC17.7070006@fedoraproject.org> <1223024182.5475.6.camel@pc-notebook> Message-ID: <48E5E4E4.8030606@nicubunu.ro> Martin Sourada wrote: > > I just also though about adding some gradient > definitions to the templates - so that we would use gradients easily and > consistently (the most used ones like gray, white, blue, green, > metallic, orange, brown, yellow). What do you think of it? The gradients are definitely useful, so one do not have to create the definitions each time (and end with a slightly different one each time). But I think you can go also with a "visual swatch", like a SVG version of https://fedorahosted.org/echo-icon-theme/attachment/wiki/Guidelines/echo-palette.png but with gradients instead of solid colors: drag and drop this SVG into your drawing, delete it (the definitions are imported), use the gradients and then vacuum defs. -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From martin.sourada at gmail.com Fri Oct 3 10:26:08 2008 From: martin.sourada at gmail.com (Martin Sourada) Date: Fri, 03 Oct 2008 12:26:08 +0200 Subject: [Echo] Template with gradient samples Message-ID: <1223029568.5475.9.camel@pc-notebook> Hi, I've just finished an updated echo one-canvas template. I added gradient samples. Posting here for consideration. Martin -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I made an absolutely minor modification: moved the gradients layer at the bottom and made the artwork layer active and on top, so you can start directly drawing. -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: echo-one-canvas-template.svg Type: image/svg+xml Size: 31734 bytes Desc: not available URL: From stickster at gmail.com Fri Oct 3 11:59:20 2008 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2008 07:59:20 -0400 Subject: Fedora Remix design In-Reply-To: <48E5C559.8010300@nicubunu.ro> References: <20081002165816.GH15653@victoria-eth.internal.frields.org> <48E51485.8080404@fedoraproject.org> <20081002220613.GE30013@victoria-eth.internal.frields.org> <48E5C559.8010300@nicubunu.ro> Message-ID: <20081003115815.GB32171@salma.internal.frields.org> On Fri, Oct 03, 2008 at 10:10:17AM +0300, Nicu Buculei wrote: > Paul W. Frields wrote: >> >> Hey, neat! I like 9 and 13 the most. What do you think about >> incorporating reverse print on a banner for the "Remix" word in 13? >> Or do you think that's too... I dunno, too much? >> >> Putting that aside, what about incorporating that arrow elsewhere, >> like pointing up in the 'i' of Remix? Maybe less is more in this case >> too. > > I was looking for some fresh inspiration... here is something based on > mizmo's work: > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Image:Fedora_secondary_logo_drafts_nicubunu_mizmo.svg OK, so maybe that's *not* too busy, as I worried... In your takeoff on 9, can you reverse the "tail" at the top of the 'i' in remix, so it faces the other way? That will make it look like a numeral '1,' but I think that would not only be OK, but kind of cool. Also, one other change to try, maybe as a separate set of two graphics -- how about making the ends of the "remix" banner completely rounded? -- Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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OK > Also, one other change to try, maybe as a separate set of two graphics > -- how about making the ends of the "remix" banner completely rounded? I think it make sense, if the wordmakr has such a rounded font to try also a rounded banner: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Image:Fedora_secondary_logo_drafts_nicubunu_mizmo_1.svg -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From stickster at gmail.com Fri Oct 3 13:03:33 2008 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2008 09:03:33 -0400 Subject: Fedora Remix design In-Reply-To: <48E612A8.3040009@nicubunu.ro> References: <20081002165816.GH15653@victoria-eth.internal.frields.org> <48E51485.8080404@fedoraproject.org> <20081002220613.GE30013@victoria-eth.internal.frields.org> <48E5C559.8010300@nicubunu.ro> <20081003115815.GB32171@salma.internal.frields.org> <48E612A8.3040009@nicubunu.ro> Message-ID: <20081003130333.GF32171@salma.internal.frields.org> On Fri, Oct 03, 2008 at 03:40:08PM +0300, Nicu Buculei wrote: > Paul W. Frields wrote: >> >> OK, so maybe that's *not* too busy, as I worried... In your takeoff on >> 9, can you reverse the "tail" at the top of the 'i' in remix, so it >> faces the other way? That will make it look like a numeral '1,' but I >> think that would not only be OK, but kind of cool. > > OK > >> Also, one other change to try, maybe as a separate set of two graphics >> -- how about making the ends of the "remix" banner completely rounded? > > I think it make sense, if the wordmakr has such a rounded font to try > also a rounded banner: > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Image:Fedora_secondary_logo_drafts_nicubunu_mizmo_1.svg Wow! I'm really digging both of those versions. What do all the Artwork folks think of those? -- Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Make it larger, as *it* is the > focus here; > - there is a new trend to have logos in full color, mainly in the case when > the logos are used exclusively on the web (this is why some call them "web > 2.0 logos"), but I think we need here something more traditional, with less > colors: I believe one of the uses of this logo is to have it printed on CD > labels, where the number of colors matters. > Nicu, Thank you for the criticism. I am always happy to take this (aka constructive) type. I'll look at my design and see what I can come up with. I like where you guys are going with the other logo, I just don't like it enough to be convinced...yet. Cheers, Clint From duffy at fedoraproject.org Fri Oct 3 13:33:41 2008 From: duffy at fedoraproject.org (=?UTF-8?B?TcOhaXLDrW4gRHVmZnk=?=) Date: Fri, 03 Oct 2008 09:33:41 -0400 Subject: Fedora Remix design In-Reply-To: <48E612A8.3040009@nicubunu.ro> References: <20081002165816.GH15653@victoria-eth.internal.frields.org> <48E51485.8080404@fedoraproject.org> <20081002220613.GE30013@victoria-eth.internal.frields.org> <48E5C559.8010300@nicubunu.ro> <20081003115815.GB32171@salma.internal.frields.org> <48E612A8.3040009@nicubunu.ro> Message-ID: <48E61F35.9020406@fedoraproject.org> Nicu Buculei wrote: > Paul W. Frields wrote: >> >> OK, so maybe that's *not* too busy, as I worried... In your takeoff on >> 9, can you reverse the "tail" at the top of the 'i' in remix, so it >> faces the other way? That will make it look like a numeral '1,' but I >> think that would not only be OK, but kind of cool. > > OK > >> Also, one other change to try, maybe as a separate set of two graphics >> -- how about making the ends of the "remix" banner completely rounded? > > I think it make sense, if the wordmakr has such a rounded font to try > also a rounded banner: > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Image:Fedora_secondary_logo_drafts_nicubunu_mizmo_1.svg ooooo I really like the rounded banner! I still think the type in it needs a bit more cowbell though, not sure what yet. I might play with it this afternoon. ~m From jayme at jaymeayres.com Fri Oct 3 14:17:08 2008 From: jayme at jaymeayres.com (Jayme Ayres) Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2008 11:17:08 -0300 Subject: Fedora Remix design In-Reply-To: <48E61F35.9020406@fedoraproject.org> References: <20081002165816.GH15653@victoria-eth.internal.frields.org> <48E51485.8080404@fedoraproject.org> <20081002220613.GE30013@victoria-eth.internal.frields.org> <48E5C559.8010300@nicubunu.ro> <20081003115815.GB32171@salma.internal.frields.org> <48E612A8.3040009@nicubunu.ro> <48E61F35.9020406@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <64b33fc70810030717y6694c4e6qf34d59603513b15c@mail.gmail.com> I added a idea, I hopeI hope you enjoy. Cheers! 2008/10/3 M?ir?n Duffy > Nicu Buculei wrote: > > Paul W. Frields wrote: > >> > >> OK, so maybe that's *not* too busy, as I worried... In your takeoff on > >> 9, can you reverse the "tail" at the top of the 'i' in remix, so it > >> faces the other way? That will make it look like a numeral '1,' but I > >> think that would not only be OK, but kind of cool. > > > > OK > > > >> Also, one other change to try, maybe as a separate set of two graphics > >> -- how about making the ends of the "remix" banner completely rounded? > > > > I think it make sense, if the wordmakr has such a rounded font to try > > also a rounded banner: > > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Image:Fedora_secondary_logo_drafts_nicubunu_mizmo_1.svg > > ooooo I really like the rounded banner! I still think the type in > it needs a bit more cowbell though, not sure what yet. I might play > with it this afternoon. > > ~m > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list > -- Jayme Ayres www.jaymeayres.com www.projetofedora.org http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/JaymeAyres -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I can see both pluses and minuses for each... -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From jayme at jaymeayres.com Fri Oct 3 15:31:30 2008 From: jayme at jaymeayres.com (Jayme Ayres) Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2008 12:31:30 -0300 Subject: Fedora Remix design In-Reply-To: <48E633F2.1060506@nicubunu.ro> References: <20081002165816.GH15653@victoria-eth.internal.frields.org> <48E51485.8080404@fedoraproject.org> <20081002220613.GE30013@victoria-eth.internal.frields.org> <48E5C559.8010300@nicubunu.ro> <20081003115815.GB32171@salma.internal.frields.org> <48E612A8.3040009@nicubunu.ro> <48E61F35.9020406@fedoraproject.org> <64b33fc70810030717y6694c4e6qf34d59603513b15c@mail.gmail.com> <48E633F2.1060506@nicubunu.ro> Message-ID: <64b33fc70810030831k4881e0bal96ec4a082bfcd22c@mail.gmail.com> 2008/10/3, Nicu Buculei : > > Jayme Ayres wrote: > >> I added a idea, I hopeI hope you enjoy. >> > > It raises an interesting question: do we want to change the colors or stick > with the original two shades of blue? I can see both pluses and minuses for > each... > > -- > nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com > Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ > Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org > my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list > My proposal is just that, escaping a bit of traditional colors and maybe use the complementary colors of blue, I know that this proposal does not match with the guideline but is a good debate to begin. -- Jayme Ayres www.jaymeayres.com www.projetofedora.org http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/JaymeAyres -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From stickster at gmail.com Fri Oct 3 15:33:46 2008 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2008 11:33:46 -0400 Subject: Fedora Remix design In-Reply-To: <48E633F2.1060506@nicubunu.ro> References: <20081002165816.GH15653@victoria-eth.internal.frields.org> <48E51485.8080404@fedoraproject.org> <20081002220613.GE30013@victoria-eth.internal.frields.org> <48E5C559.8010300@nicubunu.ro> <20081003115815.GB32171@salma.internal.frields.org> <48E612A8.3040009@nicubunu.ro> <48E61F35.9020406@fedoraproject.org> <64b33fc70810030717y6694c4e6qf34d59603513b15c@mail.gmail.com> <48E633F2.1060506@nicubunu.ro> Message-ID: <20081003153346.GE2826@salma.internal.frields.org> On Fri, Oct 03, 2008 at 06:02:10PM +0300, Nicu Buculei wrote: > Jayme Ayres wrote: >> I added a idea, I hopeI hope you enjoy. > > It raises an interesting question: do we want to change the colors or > stick with the original two shades of blue? I can see both pluses and > minuses for each... Two things I wanted to respond with: 1. I like the ! for 'i' idea. Maybe that could be combined with Nicu's latest work? 2. I am working on getting this secondary mark covered by free licensing, so the mark itself can be "remixed," meaning the colors could change if needed for a specific remix community's theme and so on. -- Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Frields > On Fri, Oct 03, 2008 at 06:02:10PM +0300, Nicu Buculei wrote: > > Jayme Ayres wrote: > >> I added a idea, I hopeI hope you enjoy. > > > > It raises an interesting question: do we want to change the colors or > > stick with the original two shades of blue? I can see both pluses and > > minuses for each... > > Two things I wanted to respond with: > > 1. I like the ! for 'i' idea. Maybe that could be combined with > Nicu's latest work? > > 2. I am working on getting this secondary mark covered by free > licensing, so the mark itself can be "remixed," meaning the colors > could change if needed for a specific remix community's theme and so > on. > > -- > Paul W. 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And of course, I think they are still drafts. I need your advice to improve them. Thanks! On Sep 30, 2008, at 9:43 PM, fedora-art-list-request at redhat.com wrote: > On Sep 30, 2008, at 4:04 PM, fedora-art-list-request at redhat.com wrote: > >> Cool. We have a standard design we use for the disc so all that is >> needed is the sleeve design. We need one for live media and one for >> DVD. > > > Sure. It is very useful that I have got the source files of ones for > F9. It really a good starting point for me to do some work based on > them. ------ Jarod Wen jarodwen at gmail.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Please don't hesitate > to give me any suggestions to improve the source files. > > You can find them from the link: > > http://www.ccs.neu.edu/home/jarodwen/Fedora/10/sleeve_arts/sleeve_arts.html > > Sorry for using my own website since I am not familiar with the process > on how to upload these files onto our wiki. And of course, I think they > are still drafts. I need your advice to improve them. > If you've signed the CLA and are in one other group on FAS, you can use your fedorapeople.org space. See https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Infrastructure/fedorapeople.org for more information. To upload files using the wiki, use the "Upload file" link in the toolbox in the sidebar. You have to be logged in to do this. Otherwise, back to the art... very nice! For the CD cases it seems like the "sun" isn't the same as the DVD case or the rest of the artwork... could you check that? I personally prefer the top one as opposed to the middle one for the CD case. You might want to use the MgOpen Modata font, as that's the font that Fedora uses for pretty much everything in their designs. You can get it installed by running yum install mgopen-fonts Thanks for including sources, too! :D Hope this all helps. -- Ian Weller http://ianweller.org GnuPG fingerprint: E51E 0517 7A92 70A2 4226 B050 87ED 7C97 EFA8 4A36 "Technology is a word that describes something that doesn't work yet." ~ Douglas Adams -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Please don't hesitate > to give me any suggestions to improve the source files. > > You can find them from the link: > > http://www.ccs.neu.edu/home/jarodwen/Fedora/10/sleeve_arts/sleeve_arts.html IIRC, the number of different colors shoots up the printing cost of the material drastically. Shades of the same color is ok. You might want to keep that in mind. Rahul From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Mon Oct 6 06:18:15 2008 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2008 11:48:15 +0530 Subject: GIMP 2.6 packages Message-ID: <48E9ADA7.2080502@fedoraproject.org> Hi RPM packages http://www.nabble.com/GIMP-2.6.0-for-Fedora-8-9-(Was:-Re:-ANNOUNCE:-GIMP-2.6.0)-p19815879.html Rahul From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Mon Oct 6 07:30:02 2008 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2008 10:30:02 +0300 Subject: Candidates for Fedora 10 CD/DVD sleeves In-Reply-To: <48E9AA22.6050306@fedoraproject.org> References: <20081001014348.E1D77618D5C@hormel.redhat.com> <48E9AA22.6050306@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <48E9BE7A.7070300@nicubunu.ro> Rahul Sundaram wrote: > > IIRC, the number of different colors shoots up the printing cost of the > material drastically. Shades of the same color is ok. You might want to > keep that in mind. That is a real concern when printing on the real CD on large scale, but for inkjet sleeve printing (do yourself at home) it is not a problem. -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Mon Oct 6 07:33:00 2008 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2008 10:33:00 +0300 Subject: Candidates for Fedora 10 CD/DVD sleeves In-Reply-To: <20081006020027.GC22779@gmail.com> References: <20081001014348.E1D77618D5C@hormel.redhat.com> <20081006020027.GC22779@gmail.com> Message-ID: <48E9BF2C.50703@nicubunu.ro> Ian Weller wrote: > > You might want to use the MgOpen Modata font, as that's the font that > Fedora uses for pretty much everything in their designs. You can get it > installed by running > yum install mgopen-fonts Yeah, MgOpen Modata for the release number (10), disk title (x86 LiveCD) and for the url (fp.o). But the copyright text *may* be better (has to be tested) to stay with a plain font (Liberation, DejaVu) for readability. -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From ivazqueznet at gmail.com Mon Oct 6 07:52:06 2008 From: ivazqueznet at gmail.com (Ignacio Vazquez-Abrams) Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2008 03:52:06 -0400 Subject: Candidates for Fedora 10 CD/DVD sleeves In-Reply-To: <20081006020027.GC22779@gmail.com> References: <20081001014348.E1D77618D5C@hormel.redhat.com> <20081006020027.GC22779@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1223279526.3299.105.camel@ignacio.lan> On Sun, 2008-10-05 at 21:00 -0500, Ian Weller wrote: > On Sun, Oct 05, 2008 at 09:46:09PM -0400, Jarod Wen wrote: > > http://www.ccs.neu.edu/home/jarodwen/Fedora/10/sleeve_arts/sleeve_arts.html > > Otherwise, back to the art... very nice! For the CD cases it seems like > the "sun" isn't the same as the DVD case or the rest of the artwork... > could you check that? It's the same base XCF, but some of the layers have been hidden, removing some of the surface turbulence and most of the foreground flares. If we're going with the top image though, I'd like to see those layers restored. -- Ignacio Vazquez-Abrams PLEASE don't CC me; I'm already subscribed -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Frields) Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2008 08:00:31 -0400 Subject: Candidates for Fedora 10 CD/DVD sleeves In-Reply-To: References: <20081001014348.E1D77618D5C@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <20081006120031.GA6144@localhost.localdomain> On Sun, Oct 05, 2008 at 09:46:09PM -0400, Jarod Wen wrote: > http://www.ccs.neu.edu/home/jarodwen/Fedora/10/sleeve_arts/sleeve_arts.html Other people are better suited to critique and adjust the design, fonts, and so forth. Some things we should also do with the jackets: * For Live CD, include a small bit of information about how to use the media: "This disc contains a complete bootable Fedora environment. To use it, make sure your computer supports booting from its CD or DVD drive. Then insert the disc, turn the computer's power on, and follow the prompts. If you enjoy this Fedora environment, you can copy it to your computer using the desktop 'Install to Hard Disk' icon. For further assistance, visit help.fedoraproject.org." * Make sure that the printing of the design is going to be a reasonable cost for the Ambassadors bulk-ordering the discs. If there are any sort of color restrictions, we should get those figured out up-front. I believe the NA Ambassadors were working with Karlie Robinson on duplication. I'm not sure whether they are getting sleeves made by the same vendor. -- Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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For the CD cases it seems >> like >> the "sun" isn't the same as the DVD case or the rest of the >> artwork... >> could you check that? > > It's the same base XCF, but some of the layers have been hidden, > removing some of the surface turbulence and most of the foreground > flares. If we're going with the top image though, I'd like to see > those > layers restored. It is really the problem for me to merge the same planet from DVD to CD, since I didn't find a better way to copy several layers together to another Gimp file(I am a newbie there...), so finally I made a png for the planet image and combine it into the CD files. I am sure that the conversion from layers to png has eaten something... Anyone gives me some ideas on that? > Ian Weller wrote: >> >> You might want to use the MgOpen Modata font, as that's the font that >> Fedora uses for pretty much everything in their designs. You can >> get it >> installed by running >> yum install mgopen-fonts > > Yeah, MgOpen Modata for the release number (10), disk title (x86 > LiveCD) > and for the url (fp.o). But the copyright text *may* be better (has to > be tested) to stay with a plain font (Liberation, DejaVu) for > readability. In fact I used the MgOpen Moderna, since when I tried to use MgOpen Modata, I found that the effects on my works showed a little difference from the ones in the sleeves of Fedora 9, where MgOpen Modata was used. I think I can changed it soon. > > Rahul Sundaram wrote: >> >> IIRC, the number of different colors shoots up the printing cost of >> the >> material drastically. Shades of the same color is ok. You might >> want to >> keep that in mind. > > That is a real concern when printing on the real CD on large scale, > but > for inkjet sleeve printing (do yourself at home) it is not a problem. Ye guys, you are right. I didn't consider this problem. I will try to decrease the number of colors. Thanks for all of your comments! ------ Jarod Wen jarodwen at gmail.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From duffy at dangerouslyinc.com Mon Oct 6 14:14:57 2008 From: duffy at dangerouslyinc.com (duffy at dangerouslyinc.com) Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2008 07:14:57 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Candidates for Fedora 10 CD/DVD sleeves In-Reply-To: References: <20081006104027.4AF646188EA@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: Hi Jarod! > On Oct 6, 2008, at 6:40 AM, fedora-art-list-request at redhat.com wrote: > >> On Sun, 2008-10-05 at 21:00 -0500, Ian Weller wrote: >>> On Sun, Oct 05, 2008 at 09:46:09PM -0400, Jarod Wen wrote: >>>> http://www.ccs.neu.edu/home/jarodwen/Fedora/10/sleeve_arts/sleeve_arts.html >>> >>> Otherwise, back to the art... very nice! For the CD cases it seems >>> like >>> the "sun" isn't the same as the DVD case or the rest of the >>> artwork... >>> could you check that? >> >> It's the same base XCF, but some of the layers have been hidden, >> removing some of the surface turbulence and most of the foreground >> flares. If we're going with the top image though, I'd like to see >> those >> layers restored. > It is really the problem for me to merge the same planet from DVD to > CD, since I didn't find a better way to copy several layers together > to another Gimp file(I am a newbie there...), so finally I made a png > for the planet image and combine it into the CD files. I am sure that > the conversion from layers to png has eaten something... Anyone gives > me some ideas on that? >From the aurora in the image it looks like you may be using an older version of the XCF. I would strongly recommend just using one of the png wallpapers as the base image to use right now as you can be assured those are okay to use. >> Yeah, MgOpen Modata for the release number (10), disk title (x86 >> LiveCD) >> and for the url (fp.o). But the copyright text *may* be better (has to >> be tested) to stay with a plain font (Liberation, DejaVu) for >> readability. > > > In fact I used the MgOpen Moderna, since when I tried to use MgOpen > Modata, I found that the effects on my works showed a little > difference from the ones in the sleeves of Fedora 9, where MgOpen > Modata was used. I think I can changed it soon. It definitely doesn't look like MgOpen Modata, I'm not sure what's gone wrong for you. >> That is a real concern when printing on the real CD on large scale, >> but for inkjet sleeve printing (do yourself at home) it is not a problem. > > Ye guys, you are right. I didn't consider this problem. I will try to > decrease the number of colors. Actually you don't have to worry about this for the sleeves. It is only the disc designs themselves that are color-limited because of the screen printing process used to print them. So the colors are fine, but I would replace the image with one of the wallpaper pngs because it looks like it's one of the older, uncleaned versions. ~m From martin.sourada at gmail.com Mon Oct 6 14:52:15 2008 From: martin.sourada at gmail.com (Martin Sourada) Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2008 16:52:15 +0200 Subject: [Echo] format-text-* icons Message-ID: <1223304736.3208.14.camel@pc-notebook> Hi, I've just finished four of the format-text-* icons. For the ones for ltr and rtl I am not yet sure what metaphor to use and since I don't remember seeing them anywhere I think we can wait with their fix for later. Some background to the design I used: I've started with the 16x16 size this time (usually I start with the bigger ones) because these icons are really crucial to be crisp and have recognisable metaphor especially in small sizes (usually they are in tool bars in the 22x22/24x24 version). After few tries I decided to go "button-like". It is like you create a button with the shape of the original letter, but without any holes in it and draw the letter on it. First it is consistent with e.g. dialog-cancel design, second it is easy to recognise and third (and most important) - when you add the holes, it makes the icon hard to read. I used URW Bookman L font for the design because it nicely shows differences between bold/normal/italics font faces. I hope the usage is OK, the font is not embed in the SVG - I converted it to paths to be able to better work with it. I followed gnome metaphors in using only "a" because "b" (bold), "i" (italics) and "u" (underline) is English based and not suggestive in many other languages (like my own, Czech). I attach 32x32 versions for quick comparison, the one-canvas ones are available at my fedora people page [1]. Comments welcome, Martin References: [1] http://mso.fedorapeople.org/echo/Actions/ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: format-text-bold.png Type: image/png Size: 2032 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: format-text-italic.png Type: image/png Size: 2145 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: format-text-strikethrough.png Type: image/png Size: 2057 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Could you also darken the wire on 16x16? > Should be fixed now. Further simplification was needed to avoid the blurriness. On Mon, 2008-09-29 at 10:26 +0300, Nicu Buculei wrote: > Overall I like it, but I have a few observations: > - at 22x22 and 16x16 I feel the icons are not distinctive enough. > Sometime disconnection is perceived as an error, so maybe have something > red in there? The problem is that it's only "sometime". In some cases it's used just to note that something is not running, or that you are in off-line mode... Therefore I don't want to add anything that would suggest being it an error. > - *only* if you have time, as we don't really use that, maybe a slight > 3D look for the wall socket in 256x256? Yeah, I thought about that as well at first, but I decided I'll leave that for later improvements, as we really don't needed currently... > - at the first look it was hard for me to understand the shadow, it was > odd. Then I understood that only the cable has shadow, not also the > wall socket. > The wall socket is on a wall (which is not visible), therefore it does not drop any shadow. That's how I came up with the current shadow. I can change it if you have any suggestions ;-) I attach PNGs, SVGs are at my fedora people page [1]. Martin References: [1] http://mso.fedorapeople.org/echo/Actions/ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: network-connect.png Type: image/png Size: 19899 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: network-disconnect.png Type: image/png Size: 24310 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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The PNGs saved on my desktop do not look good on a colored background, but not that bad on a light gray one opened with eog. I think the shape for striketrough would be better with the dash on the same plane as the letter face, not on top of it (attached). Probably you can do it better with extra details (show the top of the dash). > I used URW Bookman L font for the design because it nicely shows > differences between bold/normal/italics font faces. I hope the usage is > OK, the font is not embed in the SVG - I converted it to paths to be Isn't the font Free? I think it is. > able to better work with it. I followed gnome metaphors in using only > "a" because "b" (bold), "i" (italics) and "u" (underline) is English > based and not suggestive in many other languages (like my own, Czech). > > I attach 32x32 versions for quick comparison, the one-canvas ones are > available at my fedora people page [1]. And I attached a preview with all the icons grouped, I find it much better for previewing. -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: g2492.png Type: image/png Size: 3213 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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The PNGs saved on my desktop do not look > good on a colored background, but not that bad on a light gray one > opened with eog. > Well, the first impression is not the best one in this case, you are not used to this type of icons, but after a while it gets better - during the long time I've created these (I didn't have much time to work on them) I grew to love them... > I think the shape for striketrough would be better with the dash on the > same plane as the letter face, not on top of it (attached). Probably you > can do it better with extra details (show the top of the dash). I haven't tried this one but it seems to look better :-) > And I attached a preview with all the icons grouped, I find it much > better for previewing. > Well, previewing is best in tool bar... but for that I would need to add the icons to the theme first (I've done this with some of the system -> administration icons) ;-) Martin -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I will try another machine to see whether there is something wrong with my machine. ------ Jarod Wen jarodwen at gmail.com From duffy at dangerouslyinc.com Mon Oct 6 21:02:25 2008 From: duffy at dangerouslyinc.com (duffy at dangerouslyinc.com) Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2008 14:02:25 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Candidates for Fedora 10 CD/DVD sleeves In-Reply-To: <0B3DE042-FD68-4BEB-8688-4A677E8BF21B@gmail.com> References: <20081006145242.5319D619FC6@hormel.redhat.com> <0B3DE042-FD68-4BEB-8688-4A677E8BF21B@gmail.com> Message-ID: <7a8eb89ca66de8f9b742eff474555863.squirrel@webmail.dangerouslyinc.com> > Thanks for all of your comments! > > On Oct 6, 2008, at 10:52 AM, fedora-art-list-request at redhat.com wrote: > >> So the colors are fine, but I would >> replace the image with one of the wallpaper pngs because it looks like >> it's one of the older, uncleaned versions. > > I got the source from this link: > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/F10Themes/Solar > > The final version should be the one of Image: > Solar_gimp_1900x1200.xcf.bz2, right? I will update my design using > this one. That is the old one, so you shouldn't use it. Please don't use any images from round 2, only round 3. Does anyone know how we can get that old source image deleted so it doesn't trip anyone else up? Try one of these, if you really need the XCF (I'm not sure why you can't just use the PNGs though): http://fedoraproject.org/w/uploads/b/b9/Solar_dual-std.xcf.bz2 http://fedoraproject.org/w/uploads/2/2c/Solar_2048x1536.xcf.bz2 ~m From jarodwen at gmail.com Mon Oct 6 22:53:41 2008 From: jarodwen at gmail.com (Jarod Wen) Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2008 18:53:41 -0400 Subject: Second draft of candidates for F10 solar CD/DVD sleeves Message-ID: <696D52FE-94B5-47CD-B157-928F6557D8BC@gmail.com> Hi All, Please find the updated draft of candidates for F10 solar CD/DVD sleeves from this link: http://www.ccs.neu.edu/home/jarodwen/Fedora/10/sleeve_arts/sleeve_arts.html The main changes include: * changed fonts to be MgOpen Modata; * changed the planet to be the latest version from solar theme; * redesigned the nebular around the planets; * updated the planets in all candidates for the same style; * cleaned the source files with better layers' name; * re-arranged the webpage so that you need not to open the png files at one time. As mentioned by ~m, since the color issue is not a key one now, I kept the original color design for this version. I will try to figure out how to decrease the number of colors while keeping the better performance(it is a little hard to me as a newbie... :-P). Please give me your comments! Thanks! ------ Jarod Wen jarodwen at gmail.com From jarodwen at gmail.com Mon Oct 6 23:17:56 2008 From: jarodwen at gmail.com (Jarod Wen) Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2008 19:17:56 -0400 Subject: Second draft of candidates for F10 solar CD/DVD sleeves In-Reply-To: <696D52FE-94B5-47CD-B157-928F6557D8BC@gmail.com> References: <696D52FE-94B5-47CD-B157-928F6557D8BC@gmail.com> Message-ID: <0CC5A57A-5F64-4A76-B782-C105E19B0071@gmail.com> Sorry guys, I forgot to change the font for the number 10... The problem has been fixed. The link has not been changed. On Oct 6, 2008, at 6:53 PM, Jarod Wen wrote: > Hi All, > > Please find the updated draft of candidates for F10 solar CD/DVD > sleeves from this link: > ------ Jarod Wen jarodwen at gmail.com From gmureddu at prodigy.net.mx Tue Oct 7 03:41:14 2008 From: gmureddu at prodigy.net.mx (Gian Paolo Mureddu) Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2008 22:41:14 -0500 Subject: GIMP 2.6 packages In-Reply-To: <48E9EAFF.8000604@nicubunu.ro> References: <48E9ADA7.2080502@fedoraproject.org> <48E9EAFF.8000604@nicubunu.ro> Message-ID: <48EADA5A.9010208@prodigy.net.mx> Nicu Buculei escribi?: > Rahul Sundaram wrote: >> >> RPM packages >> >> http://www.nabble.com/GIMP-2.6.0-for-Fedora-8-9-(Was:-Re:-ANNOUNCE:-GIMP-2.6.0)-p19815879.html > > > I understand that I sound like a n00b, but I feel a bit uncomfortable > about updating glib2 this way. > Indeed. It'd be much better an official update, especially when you have into consideration the number of dependencies to build the package for say F8 x86_64 (or PPC) From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Tue Oct 7 05:58:43 2008 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Tue, 07 Oct 2008 08:58:43 +0300 Subject: Second draft of candidates for F10 solar CD/DVD sleeves In-Reply-To: <696D52FE-94B5-47CD-B157-928F6557D8BC@gmail.com> References: <696D52FE-94B5-47CD-B157-928F6557D8BC@gmail.com> Message-ID: <48EAFA93.7040709@nicubunu.ro> Jarod Wen wrote: > > As mentioned by ~m, since the color issue is not a key one now, I kept > the original color design for this version. I will try to figure out how > to decrease the number of colors while keeping the better performance(it > is a little hard to me as a newbie... :-P). I don't think you will be able the reduce the number of colors, the only change is to do something like the GRUB screen (a simplified image). -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From luya at fedoraproject.org Tue Oct 7 07:57:04 2008 From: luya at fedoraproject.org (Luya Tshimbalanga) Date: Tue, 07 Oct 2008 00:57:04 -0700 Subject: [Echo] format-text-* icons In-Reply-To: <48EA2C4A.8040302@nicubunu.ro> References: <1223304736.3208.14.camel@pc-notebook> <48EA2C4A.8040302@nicubunu.ro> Message-ID: <48EB1650.90302@fedoraproject.org> Nicu Buculei a ?crit : > Martin Sourada wrote: >> >> After few tries I decided to go "button-like". It is like you create a >> button with the shape of the original letter, but without any holes in >> it and draw the letter on it. First it is consistent with e.g. >> dialog-cancel design, second it is easy to recognise and third (and most >> important) - when you add the holes, it makes the icon hard to read. > > I think I have to *see* those "button-like" icons in a real toolbar to > decide if I like the style. The PNGs saved on my desktop do not look > good on a colored background, but not that bad on a light gray one > opened with eog. > > I think the shape for striketrough would be better with the dash on > the same plane as the letter face, not on top of it (attached). > Probably you can do it better with extra details (show the top of the > dash). That version of striketrough looks better because it perfectly integrate with the letter. > >> I used URW Bookman L font for the design because it nicely shows >> differences between bold/normal/italics font faces. I hope the usage is >> OK, the font is not embed in the SVG - I converted it to paths to be > > Isn't the font Free? I think it is. > Confirmed, it is a Free Font. >> able to better work with it. I followed gnome metaphors in using only >> "a" because "b" (bold), "i" (italics) and "u" (underline) is English >> based and not suggestive in many other languages (like my own, Czech). >> >> I attach 32x32 versions for quick comparison, the one-canvas ones are >> available at my fedora people page [1]. > > And I attached a preview with all the icons grouped, I find it much > better for previewing. > > Seeing the preview, a serif typeface is much a better approach than using sans-serif. Luya -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Frields) Date: Tue, 07 Oct 2008 20:01:16 -0400 Subject: The third draft for F10 Solar CD/DVD sleeves In-Reply-To: <185D8229-D570-4D21-9997-6120A4FDABCB@gmail.com> References: <20081007160009.660F261A4C7@hormel.redhat.com> <185D8229-D570-4D21-9997-6120A4FDABCB@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1223424076.27176.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Tue, 2008-10-07 at 13:54 -0400, Jarod Wen wrote: > The planets are updated to the one in the following file. Another > version with less colors will come soon. > > The link is unchanged: http://www.ccs.neu.edu/home/jarodwen/Fedora/10/sleeve_arts/sleeve_arts.html Other people have already pointed out that removing the nebula will probably help reduce the number of colors. The "x86_32" should simply be "x86". We still need some additional text that describes for the recipient how to use the media in hand. I think I suggested some text for this earlier: https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-art-list/2008-October/msg00057.html -- Paul W. Frields gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://paul.frields.org/ - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From poelstra at redhat.com Wed Oct 8 00:13:46 2008 From: poelstra at redhat.com (John Poelstra) Date: Tue, 07 Oct 2008 17:13:46 -0700 Subject: The third draft for F10 Solar CD/DVD sleeves In-Reply-To: <1223424076.27176.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <20081007160009.660F261A4C7@hormel.redhat.com> <185D8229-D570-4D21-9997-6120A4FDABCB@gmail.com> <1223424076.27176.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <48EBFB3A.6030404@redhat.com> Paul W. Frields said the following on 10/07/2008 05:01 PM Pacific Time: > On Tue, 2008-10-07 at 13:54 -0400, Jarod Wen wrote: >> The planets are updated to the one in the following file. Another >> version with less colors will come soon. >> >> The link is unchanged: http://www.ccs.neu.edu/home/jarodwen/Fedora/10/sleeve_arts/sleeve_arts.html > > Other people have already pointed out that removing the nebula will > probably help reduce the number of colors. > > The "x86_32" should simply be "x86". > > We still need some additional text that describes for the recipient how > to use the media in hand. I think I suggested some text for this > earlier: > https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-art-list/2008-October/msg00057.html > Here is an interesting comparison I noticed at OSCON this year after stopping by the SuSE booth http://poelstra.fedorapeople.org/paste-bin/suse-vs-fedora-cover.jpg I realize there are differing philosophies as to how much or little content should be on the cover and what it should say :) I think we should consider the "target audience" for these discs when making that decision.... IOW who is most likely to receive the sleeve and what do they need to know? John From ianweller at gmail.com Wed Oct 8 02:57:33 2008 From: ianweller at gmail.com (Ian Weller) Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2008 21:57:33 -0500 Subject: The third draft for F10 Solar CD/DVD sleeves In-Reply-To: <1223424076.27176.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <20081007160009.660F261A4C7@hormel.redhat.com> <185D8229-D570-4D21-9997-6120A4FDABCB@gmail.com> <1223424076.27176.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <20081008025733.GA32338@gmail.com> On Tue, Oct 07, 2008 at 08:01:16PM -0400, Paul W. Frields wrote: > The "x86_32" should simply be "x86". > Actually, in the case of the Live CD, it should be "i686". Or, for installer CDs, "i386". (from what I remember) -- Ian Weller http://ianweller.org GnuPG fingerprint: E51E 0517 7A92 70A2 4226 B050 87ED 7C97 EFA8 4A36 "Technology is a word that describes something that doesn't work yet." ~ Douglas Adams -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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IOW who is most likely to receive the sleeve > and what do they need to know? Maybe *I* am not the target audience[1], but I do not like the SUSE cover, its too busy, with so much text that is simply makes me to not read it. Only the "Novell" word grab my attention, but not too much. It's boring and a "corporate" look. I like how from the first look I can understand that the other disc is a DVD and is Fedora. [1] I made in the past such silly CD covers like the one with the werewolf -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From martin.sourada at gmail.com Wed Oct 8 06:35:52 2008 From: martin.sourada at gmail.com (Martin Sourada) Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2008 08:35:52 +0200 Subject: [Echo] Updated preferences-desktop-theme icon set draft In-Reply-To: <48EC4BF0.90006@fedoraproject.org> References: <48E33B7D.8060400@fedoraproject.org> <48E33F5E.9020804@nicubunu.ro> <48E347C6.3080209@fedoraproject.org> <48E5E114.6000107@fedoraproject.org> <48E5E35C.6080209@nicubunu.ro> <48EC4BF0.90006@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <1223447752.3208.30.camel@pc-notebook> On Tue, 2008-10-07 at 22:58 -0700, Luya Tshimbalanga wrote: > I have updated the theme. The front windows is similar to Nodoka > version with blue buttons as difference while the green has darker > theme. Comment welcome > I think it would be better if you added some button on the vast space inside the window, rather than in the menu, or toolbar or whatever it is. The current one looks sort of strange to me. Also the menu for the green one would be probably better in dark green than in near-black. Martin -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 197 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From stickster at gmail.com Wed Oct 8 11:18:00 2008 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2008 11:18:00 +0000 Subject: The third draft for F10 Solar CD/DVD sleeves In-Reply-To: <20081008025733.GA32338@gmail.com> References: <20081007160009.660F261A4C7@hormel.redhat.com> <185D8229-D570-4D21-9997-6120A4FDABCB@gmail.com> <1223424076.27176.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20081008025733.GA32338@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1223464680.3457.11.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Tue, 2008-10-07 at 21:57 -0500, Ian Weller wrote: > On Tue, Oct 07, 2008 at 08:01:16PM -0400, Paul W. Frields wrote: > > The "x86_32" should simply be "x86". > > > Actually, in the case of the Live CD, it should be "i686". Or, for > installer CDs, "i386". (from what I remember) Stamping these technicalities on the cover of a disc intended for people who are (more often than not) new to Linux is silly. Better that we drop the jargon entirely and just say "For all Intel-compatible PCs." -- Paul W. 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Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 259 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From jarodwen at gmail.com Wed Oct 8 16:03:22 2008 From: jarodwen at gmail.com (Jarod Wen) Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2008 12:03:22 -0400 Subject: About the colors and texts in sleeves In-Reply-To: <20081008063651.759EF8E0043@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20081008063651.759EF8E0043@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: On Oct 8, 2008, at 2:36 AM, fedora-art-list-request at redhat.com wrote: > On Tue, 2008-10-07 at 13:54 -0400, Jarod Wen wrote: >> The planets are updated to the one in the following file. Another >> version with less colors will come soon. >> >> The link is unchanged: http://www.ccs.neu.edu/home/jarodwen/Fedora/10/sleeve_arts/sleeve_arts.html > > Other people have already pointed out that removing the nebula will > probably help reduce the number of colors. You mean the red nebula, right? I will remove it soon. How about the light around the planet? Maybe I can try to change the red nebula into a light one, just like the one around the planet. > > > The "x86_32" should simply be "x86". Some of guys said "x686". I think it must come from the kernel version. Maybe I can just use "32-bit CD" and "64-bit DVD" or something like this? > > > We still need some additional text that describes for the recipient > how > to use the media in hand. I think I suggested some text for this > earlier: > https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-art-list/2008-October/msg00057.html I am still struggling on this, since some of them said that too many words in the sleeve is not a good design. DVD is ok somehow, since the space is enough. However, I think the one needs more words is the live- cd. I am now planning to add a small label like "Insert&Enjoy" for live-cd and "Install&Enjoy" for DVD. How do you think about it, guys? You can find my drafts of two labels here(The characters are white- color, so you may see nothing in your browser. Download to your desktop and open it :-): http://www.ccs.neu.edu/home/jarodwen/Fedora/10/sleeve_arts/r4/insert_enjoy.png http://www.ccs.neu.edu/home/jarodwen/Fedora/10/sleeve_arts/r4/install_enjoy.png A rough effect after adding it is: http://www.ccs.neu.edu/home/jarodwen/Fedora/10/sleeve_arts/r4/Artwork_MediaArt_F10_F10_CDSleeve_1.png Thanks for all your comments! ------ Jarod Wen jarodwen at gmail.com From stickster at gmail.com Wed Oct 8 16:15:57 2008 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2008 12:15:57 -0400 Subject: About the colors and texts in sleeves In-Reply-To: References: <20081008063651.759EF8E0043@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1223482557.19629.14.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Wed, 2008-10-08 at 12:03 -0400, Jarod Wen wrote: > > The "x86_32" should simply be "x86". > > Some of guys said "x686". I think it must come from the kernel > version. Maybe I can just use "32-bit CD" and "64-bit DVD" or > something like this? See later messages -- "For all Intel-compatible PCs" would be better. > > We still need some additional text that describes for the recipient > > how > > to use the media in hand. I think I suggested some text for this > > earlier: > > https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-art-list/2008-October/msg00057.html > > I am still struggling on this, since some of them said that too many > words in the sleeve is not a good design. DVD is ok somehow, since the > space is enough. However, I think the one needs more words is the live- > cd. I am now planning to add a small label like "Insert&Enjoy" for > live-cd and "Install&Enjoy" for DVD. How do you think about it, guys? > You can find my drafts of two labels here(The characters are white- > color, so you may see nothing in your browser. Download to your > desktop and open it :-): > > http://www.ccs.neu.edu/home/jarodwen/Fedora/10/sleeve_arts/r4/insert_enjoy.png > http://www.ccs.neu.edu/home/jarodwen/Fedora/10/sleeve_arts/r4/install_enjoy.png > > A rough effect after adding it is: > > http://www.ccs.neu.edu/home/jarodwen/Fedora/10/sleeve_arts/r4/Artwork_MediaArt_F10_F10_CDSleeve_1.png Using the Fedora trademark this way is unfortunately not in line with our guidelines. As far as "insert and enjoy," it's a very nice instruction but unfortunately doesn't explain how to really use the Live CD. If the user inserts it in her running system, that instruction hasn't really helped at all. We need some particular text that tells the user how to boot from the CD to experience Fedora, and that there's an installation option if the results are enjoyable. -- Paul W. 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Also the menu for the > green one would be probably better in dark green than in near-black. > > Martin > > Set menu in dark green. I have added button and status bar to fill space inside the empty window similar to Nodoka theme. Feedback welcome. Luya Reference: --------------- http://luya.fedorapeople.org/echo/applications/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 259 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From luya at fedoraproject.org Thu Oct 9 06:59:35 2008 From: luya at fedoraproject.org (Luya Tshimbalanga) Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2008 23:59:35 -0700 Subject: [Echo] New emblem-symbolic-link icon set draft Message-ID: <48EDABD7.2020501@fedoraproject.org> Based on go-jump icon expect the arrow is set to grey. Feedback welcome. Luya -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Luya -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 259 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From stickster at gmail.com Thu Oct 9 15:54:37 2008 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Thu, 09 Oct 2008 15:54:37 +0000 Subject: Fedora Remix mark Message-ID: <1223567677.13014.57.camel@localhost.localdomain> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Pfrields/Secondary_trademark_design This is the page where I collected your contributions to a design. The time's come for me to refer the design candidates to the Board for approval. Thus far, these designs are the ones that seem to be most well-related to the existing "Fedora" word design and expressive of the remix idea: By Nicu and Mo: https://fedoraproject.org/w/uploads/2/2a/Fedora_secondary_logo_drafts_nicubunu_mizmo_1.png https://fedoraproject.org/w/uploads/2/2a/Fedora_secondary_logo_drafts_nicubunu_mizmo_1.svg By Jay and Nicu: https://fedoraproject.org/w/uploads/6/61/Fedora_secondary_logo_drafts_nicubunu_color.png https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Image:Fedora_secondary_logo_drafts_nicubunu_color.svg Our legal counsel has told us that concentrating on the permissive use of the mark is more effective than permissive modification of the mark. Whichever mark is selected, we'll work with Artwork to develop appropriate treatments that work in various background situations (for example, black & white). Then I'll develop a page that shows the usage guidelines for this mark, similar to the one for the Fedora logo. By the way, the background for the mark, and the existing cutouts in the design such as the letter shapes in "remix," can be transparent, which yields some interesting possibilities for downstream remix creators. -- Paul W. Frields gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://paul.frields.org/ - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From notting at redhat.com Thu Oct 9 17:32:56 2008 From: notting at redhat.com (Bill Nottingham) Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2008 13:32:56 -0400 Subject: Fedora Remix mark In-Reply-To: <1223567677.13014.57.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1223567677.13014.57.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <20081009173256.GA24763@nostromo.devel.redhat.com> Paul W. Frields (stickster at gmail.com) said: > By Nicu and Mo: > https://fedoraproject.org/w/uploads/2/2a/Fedora_secondary_logo_drafts_nicubunu_mizmo_1.png > https://fedoraproject.org/w/uploads/2/2a/Fedora_secondary_logo_drafts_nicubunu_mizmo_1.svg I like the rounded #13 here. I'm not really sure why the desire to spell remix with a '1' is prevalent. Bill From luya at fedoraproject.org Fri Oct 10 08:27:18 2008 From: luya at fedoraproject.org (Luya Tshimbalanga) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 01:27:18 -0700 Subject: [Echo] network-(dis)connect icon set In-Reply-To: <1223305533.3208.21.camel@pc-notebook> References: <1222505808.3308.29.camel@pc-notebook> <1222506253.48ddf70d2df6c@ssl.mecca.ca> <1222506579.3308.32.camel@pc-notebook> <48DE09AF.4020907@fedoraproject.org> <1222515974.3308.54.camel@pc-notebook> <48E0832D.2010708@nicubunu.ro> <1223305533.3208.21.camel@pc-notebook> Message-ID: <48EF11E6.3020703@fedoraproject.org> No further comment. Luya -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 259 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From martin.sourada at gmail.com Fri Oct 10 08:43:41 2008 From: martin.sourada at gmail.com (Martin Sourada) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 10:43:41 +0200 Subject: [Echo] New emblem-symbolic-link icon set draft In-Reply-To: <48EDABD7.2020501@fedoraproject.org> References: <48EDABD7.2020501@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <1223628221.10532.5.camel@pc-notebook> On Wed, 2008-10-08 at 23:59 -0700, Luya Tshimbalanga wrote: > Based on go-jump icon expect the arrow is set to grey. Feedback welcome. > > Luya First the most obvious issue - you used wrong perspective. It's an emblem icon and thus it needs to use the "isometric" perspective. Also I think it would work better if the arrow was thinner. 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I have updated the model to fix some blurriness on 16x16. > > Luya > I think all the sizes sans 256x256 need further fixes to look more crisp and be better recognisable. For the 16x16 I'd rather use radio button + progress bar than two radio buttons. Martin -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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For the 16x16 I'd rather use radio button + > progress bar than two radio buttons. > Updated icon set. Luya References ---------------- http://luya.fedorapeople.org/echo/applications -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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For the 16x16 I'd rather use radio button + > > progress bar than two radio buttons. > > > Updated icon set. > Looking better. Now the only icon that does not seem crisp enough for me is the 22x22. I think you need to simplify the design there (like has been done for the 16x16). I think it would look better if the progress bar in 16x16 was thicker (perhaps two or three pixels would work). Martin -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 197 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From jarodwen at gmail.com Sun Oct 12 04:40:24 2008 From: jarodwen at gmail.com (Jarod Wen) Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2008 00:40:24 -0400 Subject: Fourth draft for F10 sleeves for your comments In-Reply-To: <20081011160008.4F69F619717@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20081011160008.4F69F619717@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <85680A43-6BF2-4E52-8745-542B3CB1F3AC@gmail.com> Hi all, Sorry for this late update. Please find them from the link http://www.ccs.neu.edu/home/jarodwen/Fedora/10/sleeve_arts/sleeve_arts.html The main changes are: New drafts with single png file as background. The nebula has been removed due to the cost of printing. Some additional information about the live CD is added. There are some problems on the fonts since my X11 fails to load MgOpen fonts. I will fix this later when I am back to my lab. Give me your comments! Best, On Oct 11, 2008, at 12:00 PM, fedora-art-list-request at redhat.com wrote: > Send Fedora-art-list mailing list submissions to > fedora-art-list at redhat.com > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > fedora-art-list-request at redhat.com > > You can reach the person managing the list at > fedora-art-list-owner at redhat.com > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Fedora-art-list digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: [Echo] Updated preferences-desktop-theme icon set draft > (Luya Tshimbalanga) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2008 00:49:34 -0700 > From: Luya Tshimbalanga > Subject: Re: [Echo] Updated preferences-desktop-theme icon set draft > To: Fedora Art List > Message-ID: <48F05A8E.9070004 at fedoraproject.org> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Martin Sourada a ?crit : >> I think all the sizes sans 256x256 need further fixes to look more >> crisp >> and be better recognisable. For the 16x16 I'd rather use radio >> button + >> progress bar than two radio buttons. >> > Updated icon set. > > Luya > > References > ---------------- > http://luya.fedorapeople.org/echo/applications > > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: signature.asc > Type: application/pgp-signature > Size: 259 bytes > Desc: OpenPGP digital signature > Url : https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-art-list/attachments/20081011/d0581e51/signature.bin > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list > > > End of Fedora-art-list Digest, Vol 31, Issue 28 > *********************************************** ------ Jarod Wen jarodwen at gmail.com From luya at fedoraproject.org Sun Oct 12 07:13:59 2008 From: luya at fedoraproject.org (Luya Tshimbalanga) Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2008 00:13:59 -0700 Subject: [Echo] Updated preferences-desktop-theme icon set draft In-Reply-To: <1223746329.2967.3.camel@pc-notebook> References: <48E33B7D.8060400@fedoraproject.org> <48E33F5E.9020804@nicubunu.ro> <48E347C6.3080209@fedoraproject.org> <48E5E114.6000107@fedoraproject.org> <48E5E35C.6080209@nicubunu.ro> <48EC4BF0.90006@fedoraproject.org> <1223447752.3208.30.camel@pc-notebook> <48EDA540.2060902@fedoraproject.org> <48EDB380.5010405@nicubunu.ro> <48EDCB05.7010205@fedoraproject.org> <1223627798.3124.1.camel@pc-notebook> <48F05A8E.9070004@fedoraproject.org> <1223746329.2967.3.camel@pc-notebook> Message-ID: <48F1A3B7.5060007@fedoraproject.org> Martin Sourada a ?crit : > > Looking better. Now the only icon that does not seem crisp enough for me > is the 22x22. I think you need to simplify the design there (like has > been done for the 16x16). I think it would look better if the progress > bar in 16x16 was thicker (perhaps two or three pixels would work). > Set progress bar ticker for 16x16 icon. Hopefully 22x22 will look good enough. Luya References: --------------- http://luya.fedorapeople.org/echo/applications/ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 259 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From luya at fedoraproject.org Sun Oct 12 07:43:07 2008 From: luya at fedoraproject.org (Luya Tshimbalanga) Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2008 00:43:07 -0700 Subject: [Echo] New emblem-symbolic-link icon set draft In-Reply-To: <1223628221.10532.5.camel@pc-notebook> References: <48EDABD7.2020501@fedoraproject.org> <1223628221.10532.5.camel@pc-notebook> Message-ID: <48F1AA8B.3060608@fedoraproject.org> Martin Sourada a ?crit : > First the most obvious issue - you used wrong perspective. It's an > emblem icon and thus it needs to use the "isometric" perspective. Also I > think it would work better if the arrow was thinner. I'd suggest you try > to recreate it yourself and use rounded edges even for the white inner > outline, like I did e.g. in mail-replied. I think it looks better and > all newer echo icons are made that way. > > Martin > Updated icons. Luya References: ---------------- http://luya.fedorapeople.org/echo/emblems From martin.sourada at gmail.com Sun Oct 12 08:37:12 2008 From: martin.sourada at gmail.com (Martin Sourada) Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2008 10:37:12 +0200 Subject: [Echo] Updated preferences-desktop-theme icon set draft In-Reply-To: <48F1A3B7.5060007@fedoraproject.org> References: <48E33B7D.8060400@fedoraproject.org> <48E33F5E.9020804@nicubunu.ro> <48E347C6.3080209@fedoraproject.org> <48E5E114.6000107@fedoraproject.org> <48E5E35C.6080209@nicubunu.ro> <48EC4BF0.90006@fedoraproject.org> <1223447752.3208.30.camel@pc-notebook> <48EDA540.2060902@fedoraproject.org> <48EDB380.5010405@nicubunu.ro> <48EDCB05.7010205@fedoraproject.org> <1223627798.3124.1.camel@pc-notebook> <48F05A8E.9070004@fedoraproject.org> <1223746329.2967.3.camel@pc-notebook> <48F1A3B7.5060007@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <1223800633.3682.1.camel@pc-notebook> On Sun, 2008-10-12 at 00:13 -0700, Luya Tshimbalanga wrote: > Martin Sourada a ?crit : > > > > Looking better. Now the only icon that does not seem crisp enough for me > > is the 22x22. I think you need to simplify the design there (like has > > been done for the 16x16). I think it would look better if the progress > > bar in 16x16 was thicker (perhaps two or three pixels would work). > > > Set progress bar ticker for 16x16 icon. Hopefully 22x22 will look good > enough. > Looking good, I have no further comments. Don't forget to hide the plate layer before commit. Martin -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 197 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From martin.sourada at gmail.com Sun Oct 12 08:42:04 2008 From: martin.sourada at gmail.com (Martin Sourada) Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2008 10:42:04 +0200 Subject: [Echo] New emblem-symbolic-link icon set draft In-Reply-To: <48F1AA8B.3060608@fedoraproject.org> References: <48EDABD7.2020501@fedoraproject.org> <1223628221.10532.5.camel@pc-notebook> <48F1AA8B.3060608@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <1223800924.3682.4.camel@pc-notebook> On Sun, 2008-10-12 at 00:43 -0700, Luya Tshimbalanga wrote: > Martin Sourada a ?crit : > > First the most obvious issue - you used wrong perspective. It's an > > emblem icon and thus it needs to use the "isometric" perspective. Also I > > think it would work better if the arrow was thinner. I'd suggest you try > > to recreate it yourself and use rounded edges even for the white inner > > outline, like I did e.g. in mail-replied. I think it looks better and > > all newer echo icons are made that way. > > > > Martin > > > Updated icons. > Looking better but still not good enough, I think. Try to shape the icon in similar style like in gnome icon theme (with "isometric" pesrspective though). You should add shadow as well. Martin -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 197 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From duffy at fedoraproject.org Sun Oct 12 18:44:40 2008 From: duffy at fedoraproject.org (Mairin Duffy) Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2008 14:44:40 -0400 Subject: Fourth draft for F10 sleeves for your comments In-Reply-To: <85680A43-6BF2-4E52-8745-542B3CB1F3AC@gmail.com> References: <20081011160008.4F69F619717@hormel.redhat.com> <85680A43-6BF2-4E52-8745-542B3CB1F3AC@gmail.com> Message-ID: <48F24598.6070300@fedoraproject.org> Jarod Wen wrote: > Hi all, > > Sorry for this late update. Please find them from the link > > http://www.ccs.neu.edu/home/jarodwen/Fedora/10/sleeve_arts/sleeve_arts.html Cool the main layout is great. The text on the back is a bit large though and doesn't use MgOpen Modata. Also, "Inter-Compatible PCs" <= I've never heard of this term. I'm not sure what it means. > > The main changes are: New drafts with single png file as background. Do you have an SVG file with the text laid over the background image? The '10' looks like it has some artifacts on it and it's kind of pixelated. < The > nebula has been removed due to the cost of printing. Just to be clear, there is no restriction on colors for the sleeves as i mentioned earlier. The color restrictions only apply to the discs themselves as they are screen-printed. The sleeves follow a different printing process for which the cost is not based on the number of the colors. However, I think this looks much better without the nebula. The final artwork for F10 does not have the nebula so it wouldn't match that artwork with it. > Some additional > information about the live CD is added. Looks good! > > There are some problems on the fonts since my X11 fails to load MgOpen > fonts. I will fix this later when I am back to my lab. Maybe I can take the base image and lay the fonts on top for you. ~m From elmar.tielke at t-online.de Fri Oct 10 15:04:33 2008 From: elmar.tielke at t-online.de (Elmar Tielke) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 17:04:33 +0200 Subject: nodoka 0.8.x branch, configuration Message-ID: <1223651073.9019.13.camel@et20> Hello there! Congratulations for a very nice GTK engine! I have been playing around with it for a while now. I'm currently using a mix of nodoka and murrine elements in my gtkrc (intended to be OSX-like). I'm using the 0.7.1 version of nodoka for most of my theme - murrine is used for the buttons. I made two small modifications in nodoka to get a different hilight-effect with the progress- and scrollbar_fill. I thought it might be worth an idea to make this configurable by introducing two style variables to specify the hilight values and the gradient center used in nodoka_draw.c The variable containing the hilight values could be a list of float/double values with default setiings from nodoka_draw.c #define GLASS_HILIGHT 1.1 #define BULGING_TOP_HILIGHT 1.105 #define BULGING_BOTTOM_HILIGHT 1.06 #define HOLLOW_TOP_HILIGHT 1.147 #define HOLLOW_BOTTOM_HILIGHT 1 #define DARK_TOP_HILIGHT 1.487 #define DARK_BOTTOM_HILIGHT 1 The gradient center again defaults to the value from nodoka_draw.c #define GRADIENT_CENTER 0.7 Variables might for ex be: hilight_shades = { 1.1, 1.105, 1.06, 1.147, 1.0, 1.487, 1.0 } gradient_center = 0.7 What do you think? Regards, Elmar From bochecha at fedoraproject.org Sat Oct 11 12:25:18 2008 From: bochecha at fedoraproject.org (Mathieu Bridon (bochecha)) Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2008 14:25:18 +0200 Subject: Solar poster not complete Message-ID: <1223727918.3577.18.camel@horton> Hi, I'm currently organizing our release event in Paris, and I wanted to translate the Solar poster for it. I downloaded it from this page: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/F10Themes/Solar#Fedora_10_.28X.29_Release_Poster However, it seems like the background image is missing. brejc81 on #fedora-art told me to write here and ask for Sstorari to upload the file "Solar_sfondo_poster.png". Could you do that ? Thanks in advance, ---------- Mathieu Bridon (bochecha) French Fedora Ambassador ---------- "They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety." ~Benjamin Franklin -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I thought it might > be worth an idea to make this configurable by introducing two style > variables to specify the hilight values and the gradient center used in > nodoka_draw.c > > The variable containing the hilight values could be a list of > float/double values with default setiings from nodoka_draw.c > > #define GLASS_HILIGHT 1.1 > #define BULGING_TOP_HILIGHT 1.105 > #define BULGING_BOTTOM_HILIGHT 1.06 > #define HOLLOW_TOP_HILIGHT 1.147 > #define HOLLOW_BOTTOM_HILIGHT 1 > #define DARK_TOP_HILIGHT 1.487 > #define DARK_BOTTOM_HILIGHT 1 > > The gradient center again defaults to the value from nodoka_draw.c > > #define GRADIENT_CENTER 0.7 > > Variables might for ex be: > > hilight_shades = { 1.1, 1.105, 1.06, 1.147, 1.0, 1.487, 1.0 } > gradient_center = 0.7 > > What do you think? > Well, I want to expand the nodoka configurability for the 0.8.x branch and in the past I even considered adding these options, but somehow forgot about it as I started implementing different styles instead (as you can see in git or at the wiki [1]). But there is a possibility that I'll implement these, though in a slightly different way. I'd probably add something like these: gradient__custom = TRUE gradient__stops = {0.0, 0.7, 1.0} gradient__shades = {1.1, 1.105, 1.147} gradient__alpha = {1.0, 1.0, 1.0} The number of stops might be made configurable and it would be decided by the number of stops specified in gradient__stops. As how the gradient is implemented in Nodoka now, the would be one of these: out/in/linear/fade/symmetric though the names would probably need to change to better reflect that they are configurable... Martin References: [1] https://fedorahosted.org/nodoka/wiki/0.8.x_Brainstorm -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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That's a typo on the CD sleeve, the DVD one is correct, "Intel-Compatible". -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Mon Oct 13 07:52:07 2008 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 10:52:07 +0300 Subject: Solar poster not complete In-Reply-To: <1223727918.3577.18.camel@horton> References: <1223727918.3577.18.camel@horton> Message-ID: <48F2FE27.20202@nicubunu.ro> Mathieu Bridon (bochecha) wrote: > I'm currently organizing our release event in Paris, and I wanted to > translate the Solar poster for it. > > I downloaded it from this page: > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/F10Themes/Solar#Fedora_10_.28X.29_Release_Poster > > However, it seems like the background image is missing. brejc81 on > #fedora-art told me to write here and ask for Sstorari to upload the > file "Solar_sfondo_poster.png". Or to re-upload the SVG with the background PNG embedded (Inkscape can do that). -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From sstorari at byte-code.com Mon Oct 13 07:58:17 2008 From: sstorari at byte-code.com (Samuele Storari) Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 09:58:17 +0200 (CEST) Subject: Solar poster not complete In-Reply-To: <48F2FE27.20202@nicubunu.ro> Message-ID: <270656881.43961223884696974.JavaMail.root@mail.byte-code.com> I create a tar.gz with the backround file. It's ok? I've modified a little bit the poster and I'd done it for the italian release party, I would upload it in a while on the wiki. Samuele ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nicu Buculei" To: "Fedora Art List" Sent: Monday, 13 October, 2008 9:52:07 AM GMT +01:00 Amsterdam / Berlin / Bern / Rome / Stockholm / Vienna Subject: Re: Solar poster not complete Mathieu Bridon (bochecha) wrote: > I'm currently organizing our release event in Paris, and I wanted to > translate the Solar poster for it. > > I downloaded it from this page: > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/F10Themes/Solar#Fedora_10_.28X.29_Release_Poster > > However, it seems like the background image is missing. brejc81 on > #fedora-art told me to write here and ask for Sstorari to upload the > file "Solar_sfondo_poster.png". Or to re-upload the SVG with the background PNG embedded (Inkscape can do that). -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro _______________________________________________ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list at redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list -- Samuele Storari Art Director Byte-Code srl mobile: +39 347 50 798 32 office: +39 02 9840047 http://www.byte-code.com From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Mon Oct 13 08:11:41 2008 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 11:11:41 +0300 Subject: Solar poster not complete In-Reply-To: <270656881.43961223884696974.JavaMail.root@mail.byte-code.com> References: <270656881.43961223884696974.JavaMail.root@mail.byte-code.com> Message-ID: <48F302BD.1020100@nicubunu.ro> Samuele Storari wrote: > I create a tar.gz with the backround file. It's ok? It should be OK (not that simple as embedding, but simple enough). Just a question: do you gain that much from compressing the PNG? (note: embedding in SVG would increase the size a lot, as the embedded file is base64 encoded and *then* a compression, be it just .svgz, is really useful) > I've modified a little bit the poster and I'd done it for the italian release party, I would upload it in a while on the wiki. -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From sstorari at byte-code.com Mon Oct 13 09:50:02 2008 From: sstorari at byte-code.com (Samuele Storari) Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 11:50:02 +0200 (CEST) Subject: Solar poster not complete In-Reply-To: <48F302BD.1020100@nicubunu.ro> Message-ID: <73144331.44901223891402902.JavaMail.root@mail.byte-code.com> Hi all The poster is now online. You can find the tar.gz with the source and the png 150 dpi file on the Wiki. This version is a light graphic version, 'cause I decided to not push over the "special effect" but I tried to push more the Solar Background. Cheers Samuele ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nicu Buculei" To: "Fedora Art List" Sent: Monday, 13 October, 2008 10:11:41 AM GMT +01:00 Amsterdam / Berlin / Bern / Rome / Stockholm / Vienna Subject: Re: Solar poster not complete Samuele Storari wrote: > I create a tar.gz with the backround file. It's ok? It should be OK (not that simple as embedding, but simple enough). Just a question: do you gain that much from compressing the PNG? (note: embedding in SVG would increase the size a lot, as the embedded file is base64 encoded and *then* a compression, be it just .svgz, is really useful) > I've modified a little bit the poster and I'd done it for the italian release party, I would upload it in a while on the wiki. -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro _______________________________________________ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list at redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list -- Samuele Storari Art Director Byte-Code srl mobile: +39 347 50 798 32 office: +39 02 9840047 http://www.byte-code.com From martin.sourada at gmail.com Mon Oct 13 17:03:41 2008 From: martin.sourada at gmail.com (Martin Sourada) Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 17:03:41 +0000 Subject: Echo Icon Theme in F10? Message-ID: <1223917421.2874.29.camel@pc-notebook> Hi, most of you probably know, but I'll write it again - Echo Icon Theme is the default icon theme in F10 since Beta (for testing purposes and exposition to wider audience) and I am one of the feature owners. The change is rather small (in that it does not break things, replaces just graphics, no code) but pretty much exposed. I'd like to make clear that we are not going to go against general opinion and I deem it natural for the Art (since it's art) and Desktop (since it's going to be default in Gnome Desktop) Teams to decide whether we are ready or not. Because of the nature of the change it is IMHO possible to make the decision last minute (i.e. around the development freeze). What I'd like to ask you now is the preferred way to decide upon it. Should we hold a irc meeting, do a mail vote, set up a vote in the fedora voting system, other way? I'd prefer the vote in the fedora voting system (opened for Art and Desktop team members only), but if you think otherwise would be better, don't hesitate to suggest. I also think that about three or four days for the vote should be enough, so I propose the voting dates to be set to 2008/10/23--2008/10/26. Is that OK with you? Thanks for your comments, Martin -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 197 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Mon Oct 13 18:07:34 2008 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 23:37:34 +0530 Subject: Echo Icon Theme in F10? In-Reply-To: <1223917421.2874.29.camel@pc-notebook> References: <1223917421.2874.29.camel@pc-notebook> Message-ID: <48F38E66.2060403@fedoraproject.org> Martin Sourada wrote: > Hi, > > most of you probably know, but I'll write it again - Echo Icon Theme is > the default icon theme in F10 since Beta (for testing purposes and > exposition to wider audience) and I am one of the feature owners. The > change is rather small (in that it does not break things, replaces just > graphics, no code) but pretty much exposed. I'd like to make clear that > we are not going to go against general opinion and I deem it natural for > the Art (since it's art) and Desktop (since it's going to be default in > Gnome Desktop) Teams to decide whether we are ready or not. > > Because of the nature of the change it is IMHO possible to make the > decision last minute (i.e. around the development freeze). What I'd like > to ask you now is the preferred way to decide upon it. Should we hold a > irc meeting, do a mail vote, set up a vote in the fedora voting system, > other way? I'd prefer the vote in the fedora voting system (opened for > Art and Desktop team members only), but if you think otherwise would be > better, don't hesitate to suggest. > > I also think that about three or four days for the vote should be > enough, so I propose the voting dates to be set to > 2008/10/23--2008/10/26. Is that OK with you? > > Thanks for your comments, Since FESCo already made the decision that it sticks if the coverage is good enough, what does the current status look like for the base icons? Rahul From martin.sourada at gmail.com Mon Oct 13 18:24:03 2008 From: martin.sourada at gmail.com (Martin Sourada) Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 18:24:03 +0000 Subject: Echo Icon Theme in F10? In-Reply-To: <48F38E66.2060403@fedoraproject.org> References: <1223917421.2874.29.camel@pc-notebook> <48F38E66.2060403@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <1223922243.2874.58.camel@pc-notebook> On Mon, 2008-10-13 at 23:37 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > Since FESCo already made the decision that it sticks if the coverage is > good enough, what does the current status look like for the base icons? > Based on the list I created [1] for that we have covered about 95% and still need to create about 15 icons. It's likely that we make these in time, but it's also good to decide if the icons that are included are good enough - and different people can have different opinions about that. > Rahul Martin References: [1] https://fedorahosted.org/echo-icon-theme/wiki/ToDo/BaseSet -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I do continue to applaud the efforts here. -- Rex From luya at fedoraproject.org Tue Oct 14 06:20:29 2008 From: luya at fedoraproject.org (Luya Tshimbalanga) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2008 02:20:29 -0400 Subject: Echo Icon Theme in F10? In-Reply-To: References: <1223917421.2874.29.camel@pc-notebook> Message-ID: <1223965229.48f43a2db7f46@ssl.mecca.ca> Quoting Rex Dieter : > > fyi, the kde-sig has chosen to *not* use echo (as default) for kde(1) in > F-10, > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/KDE/Meetings/2008-09-30 > There's simply too much missing/broken, and not enough man power/time to > find and fix it satisfactorily in time for release. > > I do continue to applaud the efforts here. > > -- Rex Thank you, Rex. The decision from kde-sig has been expected considering the lack of manpower to check KDE side for Fedora 10 (Martin and I are primarily Gnome users) as you stated. It will be nice get one of kde-sig members to keep track inside Echo icon website[1] for future Fedora release. References: ----------- [1] https://fedorahosted.org/echo-icon-theme/wiki/ToDo -- Luya Tshimbalanga Fedora Project contributor From jreznik at redhat.com Tue Oct 14 07:08:25 2008 From: jreznik at redhat.com (Jaroslav Reznik) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2008 03:08:25 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Echo Icon Theme in F10? In-Reply-To: <2045576659.258041223967413155.JavaMail.root@zmail02.collab.prod.int.phx2.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1072518999.258721223968105117.JavaMail.root@zmail02.collab.prod.int.phx2.redhat.com> Hi Luya. ----- "Luya Tshimbalanga" wrote: > Quoting Rex Dieter : > > > > fyi, the kde-sig has chosen to *not* use echo (as default) for > kde(1) in > > F-10, > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/KDE/Meetings/2008-09-30 > > There's simply too much missing/broken, and not enough man > power/time to > > find and fix it satisfactorily in time for release. > > > > I do continue to applaud the efforts here. > > > > -- Rex > > Thank you, Rex. The decision from kde-sig has been expected > considering the lack > of manpower to check KDE side for Fedora 10 (Martin and I are > primarily Gnome > users) as you stated. It will be nice get one of kde-sig members to > keep track > inside Echo icon website[1] for future Fedora release. > I prepared our own wiki page[1] to track missing Echo icons for KDE 4. After decision not to use Echo for F 10 I'm not currently working on it, there are other tasks to be done now. But it is still our goal to have Echo for F 11. So I can take care about Echo for KDE. We (KDE SIG) are doing nearly everything ourselves with limited manpower so it is more difficult to stay in touch. References: ----------- [1] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/KDE/Branding/Echo > > References: > ----------- > > [1] https://fedorahosted.org/echo-icon-theme/wiki/ToDo > -- > Luya Tshimbalanga > Fedora Project contributor > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list So again thanks for hard work! R. --- Jaroslav Reznik Software Engineer - Base OS Core Services Brno Red Hat, Inc. +420 532 294 275 From moonman36 at gmail.com Tue Oct 14 19:21:08 2008 From: moonman36 at gmail.com (Alec Moon) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2008 14:21:08 -0500 Subject: Becoming a contributor Message-ID: I have had some experience working with Photoshop, starting at verson 6, all the way to CS 3. I'm also experienced with GIMP. I like to do projects with a clear goal. I like abstract art more than realism. 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I included the source xcf file of "10" in the source package. Thanks! ------ Jarod Wen jarodwen at gmail.com From hydra84 at gmail.com Wed Oct 15 00:15:11 2008 From: hydra84 at gmail.com (Paolo Leoni) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 02:15:11 +0200 Subject: Fedora 10 promo video (draft) Message-ID: <48F5360F.5000803@gmail.com> A little idea about a "promo" video for Fedora 10: http://pleoni.altervista.org/works_files/fedora_10_promo_1.ogg Source informations: - "Blue Sun" animation was downloaded from SOHO main website, this is the copyright notice: http://sohowww.nascom.nasa.gov/data/summary/copyright.html - The song is titled "musiquette" and was downloaded from Jamendo, from this album: http://www.jamendo.com/it/album/1749 The software used for video editing is "Kino". -- Paolo Leoni ~ http://pleoni.altervista.org GPG fingerprint: DAD1 6419 D42B 0B1C D9E1 A9CB 4587 4812 17F7 F764 From stickster at gmail.com Wed Oct 15 02:19:32 2008 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 02:19:32 +0000 Subject: Fedora 10 promo video (draft) In-Reply-To: <48F5360F.5000803@gmail.com> References: <48F5360F.5000803@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1224037172.531.6.camel@victoria-eth.internal.frields.org> On Wed, 2008-10-15 at 02:15 +0200, Paolo Leoni wrote: > A little idea about a "promo" video for Fedora 10: > > http://pleoni.altervista.org/works_files/fedora_10_promo_1.ogg > > > Source informations: > > - "Blue Sun" animation was downloaded from SOHO main website, this is > the copyright notice: > http://sohowww.nascom.nasa.gov/data/summary/copyright.html > > - The song is titled "musiquette" and was downloaded from Jamendo, from > this album: http://www.jamendo.com/it/album/1749 > > The software used for video editing is "Kino". This was pretty nice! Some critical points: * I think pointing out "Solar" when you use a sun for the backdrop is probably unnecessary -- it's actually cooler to let the sun speak for itself as our theme. * The music is licensed as CC BY-NC-SA, which isn't appropriate for Fedora. Remixers need to be free to use the material commercially if they want. (Besides, I'd look for something where the performance doesn't have so many wrong notes and "clams.") On the whole I think this is a neat idea -- why not have a nice little film if we have stock graphics to support it? If you have the various source files, you'll want to post them (or links to them). Is Kino in our repository? -- Paul W. Frields gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://paul.frields.org/ - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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If you have the various > source files, you'll want to post them (or links to them). Is Kino in > our repository? No, Kino uses certain codecs so can't be included in Fedora. It is usually installed from the just-launched repository that sould not be named :p It was an effort to make it suitable for inclusion, but in the end it was not pursued (it was too hard). So for the moment we don't have a video editor "good enough" - PiTiVi is not there yet. -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From jreznik at redhat.com Wed Oct 15 07:03:47 2008 From: jreznik at redhat.com (Jaroslav Reznik) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 03:03:47 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Fifth draft for F10 sleeves In-Reply-To: <91B97DDD-601E-4683-B83F-BCB4C532A078@gmail.com> Message-ID: <156668169.664181224054227214.JavaMail.root@zmail02.collab.prod.int.phx2.redhat.com> ----- "Jarod Wen" wrote: > Hi all, > > New updates, including: fixed the font; reduce the size of the font in > > the live CD; changed the CD title; source files have been packed. > Follow the link: > > http://www.ccs.neu.edu/home/jarodwen/Fedora/10/sleeve_arts/sleeve_arts.html I like it! > Mairin Duffy wrote: > > > Do you have an SVG file with the text laid over the background > image? > > The '10' looks like it has some artifacts on it and it's kind of > > pixelated. > > > I noticed this problem. In fact I did the "10" in Gimp since I don't > > know how to make outer glow effect in Inkscape, then I imported the > png file into inkscape. Is there any way I can solve the problem? I > included the source xcf file of "10" in the source package. You can try "Blur" effect - "Object" -> "Fill and Stroke" and there is slidebar. And I think it should be same glow color as Fedora logo has. > > Thanks! > > ------ > Jarod Wen > jarodwen at gmail.com > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list R. --- Jaroslav Reznik Software Engineer - Base OS Core Services Brno Red Hat, Inc. +420 532 294 275 From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Wed Oct 15 07:27:17 2008 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 10:27:17 +0300 Subject: Fifth draft for F10 sleeves In-Reply-To: <156668169.664181224054227214.JavaMail.root@zmail02.collab.prod.int.phx2.redhat.com> References: <156668169.664181224054227214.JavaMail.root@zmail02.collab.prod.int.phx2.redhat.com> Message-ID: <48F59B55.5090800@nicubunu.ro> Jaroslav Reznik wrote: > ----- "Jarod Wen" wrote: >> >> I noticed this problem. In fact I did the "10" in Gimp since I don't >> know how to make outer glow effect in Inkscape, then I imported the >> png file into inkscape. Is there any way I can solve the problem? I >> included the source xcf file of "10" in the source package. > > You can try "Blur" effect - "Object" -> "Fill and Stroke" and there is > slidebar. And I think it should be same glow color as Fedora logo has. Of course, the blur effect is applied to a copy/duplicate. Optionally, you can outset (Path->Outset) the duplicate a few times before blurring it. -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From stickster at gmail.com Wed Oct 15 11:32:28 2008 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 07:32:28 -0400 Subject: Fedora 10 promo video (draft) In-Reply-To: <48F58AFD.6020100@nicubunu.ro> References: <48F5360F.5000803@gmail.com> <1224037172.531.6.camel@victoria-eth.internal.frields.org> <48F58AFD.6020100@nicubunu.ro> Message-ID: <1224070349.4595.11.camel@victoria-eth.internal.frields.org> On Wed, 2008-10-15 at 09:17 +0300, Nicu Buculei wrote: > Paul W. Frields wrote: > > > > * I think pointing out "Solar" when you use a sun for the backdrop is > > probably unnecessary -- it's actually cooler to let the sun speak for > > itself as our theme. > > I also think that naming the theme was a bit too much, "a new graphic > theme" would be enough. > I also think it's very hard to make a "short" list with features to outline We have made such a list in Marketing already: https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-marketing-list/2008-September/msg00183.html Any marketing-type materials should probably be coordinated through Fedora Marketing to figure out actual text to use, and to make sure the message matches across the board. > > On the whole I think this is a neat idea -- why not have a nice little > > film if we have stock graphics to support it? If you have the various > > source files, you'll want to post them (or links to them). Is Kino in > > our repository? > > No, Kino uses certain codecs so can't be included in Fedora. It is > usually installed from the just-launched repository that sould not be > named :p > It was an effort to make it suitable for inclusion, but in the end it > was not pursued (it was too hard). So for the moment we don't have a > video editor "good enough" - PiTiVi is not there yet. Hmm. Do we require simply FOSS-made materials, or specifically Fedora-made materials? -- Paul W. Frields gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://paul.frields.org/ - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Frields wrote: > On Wed, 2008-10-15 at 09:17 +0300, Nicu Buculei wrote: >> I also think it's very hard to make a "short" list with features to outline > > We have made such a list in Marketing already: > https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-marketing-list/2008-September/msg00183.html I know about that list... it was my indirect way of pointing that a new desktop theme is a *minor* feature (even if it is the most talked part in reviews). > Hmm. Do we require simply FOSS-made materials, or specifically > Fedora-made materials? Well, if we don't allow software from rpmfusion then we are SOL, no videos beyond screen captures made with Istanbul or recorded from webcam with Cheese. Effectively not even "I am Fedora" - http://s6.video2.blip.tv/0570000043336/Mairin-IAmFedora740.ogg -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From notting at redhat.com Wed Oct 15 15:19:07 2008 From: notting at redhat.com (Bill Nottingham) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 11:19:07 -0400 Subject: F10 artwork questions Message-ID: <20081015151907.GH1773@nostromo.devel.redhat.com> Some general questions: When is it going to land for integration and review? Time is ticking... (Also, is it known late this release, and scheduled to be earlier in future releases?) The poster on http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/F10Themes/Solar - it doesn't appear to be valid English, certainly not in the header. And I'm not sure what "an all branded new way of technology" is. Finally, not to start too much controversy - is there a reason the *final* theme voting is Art-only? Bill From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Wed Oct 15 15:23:32 2008 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 18:23:32 +0300 Subject: Becoming a contributor In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <48F60AF4.8000107@nicubunu.ro> Alec Moon wrote: > I have had some experience working with Photoshop, starting at verson 6, > all the way to CS 3. I'm also experienced with GIMP. I like to do > projects with a clear goal. I like abstract art more than realism. I'm > very open to any sort of project. Hi Alec, Do you find something interesting in our open requests queue? http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/DesignService Note: our preferred applications are GIMP and Inkscape and a definite must is file formats which can be opened with FOSS tools (GIMP and Inkscape). -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Wed Oct 15 15:38:53 2008 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 18:38:53 +0300 Subject: F10 artwork questions In-Reply-To: <20081015151907.GH1773@nostromo.devel.redhat.com> References: <20081015151907.GH1773@nostromo.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <48F60E8D.5030006@nicubunu.ro> Bill Nottingham wrote: > Some general questions: > > When is it going to land for integration and review? Time is ticking... > (Also, is it known late this release, and scheduled to be earlier > in future releases?) As I understand, the final Solar images received OK and are ready for packaging. I am not familiar with the process of going from wiki to package. > The poster on http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/F10Themes/Solar - > it doesn't appear to be valid English, certainly not in the header. > And I'm not sure what "an all branded new way of technology" is. The post is not part of the release and should not be a blocker for packaging (and I agree with you, its wording can be improved - we don't have a better text from marketing). > Finally, not to start too much controversy - is there a reason the > *final* theme voting is Art-only? It may not be the best link but http://mihmo.livejournal.com/62031.html?thread=331343#t331343 We were not supposed to have a vote but decide the final theme by consensus, only that for this release a consensus was not reached so we had to use an internal vote. -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From notting at redhat.com Wed Oct 15 16:01:30 2008 From: notting at redhat.com (Bill Nottingham) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 12:01:30 -0400 Subject: F10 artwork questions In-Reply-To: <48F60E8D.5030006@nicubunu.ro> References: <20081015151907.GH1773@nostromo.devel.redhat.com> <48F60E8D.5030006@nicubunu.ro> Message-ID: <20081015160130.GA4378@nostromo.devel.redhat.com> Nicu Buculei (nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro) said: >> When is it going to land for integration and review? Time is ticking... >> (Also, is it known late this release, and scheduled to be earlier >> in future releases?) > > As I understand, the final Solar images received OK and are ready for > packaging. I am not familiar with the process of going from wiki to > package. OK, cc'ing logos maintainer. Bill From stickster at gmail.com Wed Oct 15 16:03:43 2008 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 12:03:43 -0400 Subject: F10 artwork questions In-Reply-To: <48F60E8D.5030006@nicubunu.ro> References: <20081015151907.GH1773@nostromo.devel.redhat.com> <48F60E8D.5030006@nicubunu.ro> Message-ID: <1224086623.22899.6.camel@victoria-eth.internal.frields.org> On Wed, 2008-10-15 at 18:38 +0300, Nicu Buculei wrote: > Bill Nottingham wrote: [...snip...] > > The poster on http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/F10Themes/Solar - > > it doesn't appear to be valid English, certainly not in the header. > > And I'm not sure what "an all branded new way of technology" is. > > The post is not part of the release and should not be a blocker for > packaging (and I agree with you, its wording can be improved - we don't > have a better text from marketing). I forwarded to Marketing for some input. Also, I think the radar echoes (or whatever you want to call those concentric circles) look out of place. I think these came from the Live USB creation station. Removing them could make the art a little cleaner. It also might look cool to bring the solar body closer to the viewer -- i.e. seeing less of the sun, with less curvature, as if you were flying close the surface. This might help accent the idea that the viewer is supposed to be excited by what's coming, and it's not fully revealed yet. -- Paul W. Frields gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://paul.frields.org/ - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From duffy at fedoraproject.org Wed Oct 15 16:52:25 2008 From: duffy at fedoraproject.org (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?M=E1ir=EDn_Duffy?=) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 12:52:25 -0400 Subject: F10 artwork questions In-Reply-To: <20081015151907.GH1773@nostromo.devel.redhat.com> References: <20081015151907.GH1773@nostromo.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <48F61FC9.9010606@fedoraproject.org> Bill Nottingham wrote: > Some general questions: > > When is it going to land for integration and review? Time is ticking... Peter already has the artwork for syslinux and grub. The wallpapers are ready to be checked in. I'm going to be working with Ray to make this happen this week likely. The anaconda and firstboot artwork is ready to be checked in, I will be passing them off to Jeremy and Chris this week. > (Also, is it known late this release, and scheduled to be earlier > in future releases?) It is well-known that we were targeting beta, but are going to end up in the RC again. This is no regression from previous releases since the artwork has appeared in test 3/RC in previous release. We would like to target Beta for F11. The delay was because of the vote which didn't quite line up with a beta artwork release. However, we did have prototype wallpapers available in the beta so we've done better than in previous releases for sure. > > The poster on http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/F10Themes/Solar - > it doesn't appear to be valid English, certainly not in the header. > And I'm not sure what "an all branded new way of technology" is. That is just a draft. It's not official yet thus it's not on the marketing materials page. Edits and changes are welcomed. > > Finally, not to start too much controversy - is there a reason the > *final* theme voting is Art-only? Yes, and I believe this was made clear when we discussed how the vote should be run on this list, basically: - Artists are better able to evaluate/critique artwork than people without an artistic background. - Artists work hard on the artwork across Fedora all the time (not just the theme but hackergotchis, banners, posters, tshirts, pins, websites, icons, etc. etc. etc) and should have some recognition/reward for that. - The artists are the ones who are going to have to work on finalizing the theme, so it makes sense they should have to work on something they enjoy working on. ~m From hydra84 at gmail.com Wed Oct 15 17:35:44 2008 From: hydra84 at gmail.com (Paolo Leoni) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 19:35:44 +0200 Subject: Fedora 10 promo video (draft) In-Reply-To: <1224070349.4595.11.camel@victoria-eth.internal.frields.org> References: <48F5360F.5000803@gmail.com> <1224037172.531.6.camel@victoria-eth.internal.frields.org> <48F58AFD.6020100@nicubunu.ro> <1224070349.4595.11.camel@victoria-eth.internal.frields.org> Message-ID: <48F629F0.40004@gmail.com> First of all, thanks for your feedback about my little "video try". >>* I think pointing out "Solar" when you use a sun for the backdrop is >>probably unnecessary -- it's actually cooler to let the sun speak for >>itself as our theme. >> >>* The music is licensed as CC BY-NC-SA, which isn't appropriate for >>Fedora. Remixers need to be free to use the material commercially if >>they want. (Besides, I'd look for something where the performance >>doesn't have so many wrong notes and "clams.") I'll correct issues about "titolation" text as soon as possible, and I'll search a song with a correct license ;-) I've had to use Kino because unfortunately It seems to be the only almost-free software for video editing. Other option is Pitivi, but much "base functions" for video editing are not included. >>Well, if we don't allow software from rpmfusion then we are SOL, no >>videos beyond screen captures made with Istanbul or recorded from >>webcam with Cheese. To the actual situation the most advanced ready-to-use software is Kino, but I know the main branch of Kino is no longer developed (only bug fixes, last main version was released on March 12th, 2007). >> Kino uses certain codecs so can't be included in Fedora. It is >> usually installed from the just-launched repository that sould not be >> named :p Kino contains some "link" to proprietary codecs, apart these links I think that Kino could be considered a completely opensource software. The last problem: it's improbable to find video-files in a "native" free format. Much devices records data in a proprietary format, then is necessary a tool from an external repository that uses proprietary codec for converting the video in a free format. The question is: it's acceptable the use of Kino (actually from third-party repository) for video editing in order to produce video files for "Fedora Project"? -- Paolo Leoni ~ http://pleoni.altervista.org GPG fingerprint: DAD1 6419 D42B 0B1C D9E1 A9CB 4587 4812 17F7 F764 From martin.sourada at gmail.com Wed Oct 15 18:09:59 2008 From: martin.sourada at gmail.com (Martin Sourada) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 20:09:59 +0200 Subject: F10 artwork questions In-Reply-To: <48F61FC9.9010606@fedoraproject.org> References: <20081015151907.GH1773@nostromo.devel.redhat.com> <48F61FC9.9010606@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <1224094199.2820.6.camel@pc-notebook> On Wed, 2008-10-15 at 12:52 -0400, M?ir?n Duffy wrote: > Bill Nottingham wrote: > > Some general questions: > > > > When is it going to land for integration and review? Time is ticking... > > Peter already has the artwork for syslinux and grub. > > The wallpapers are ready to be checked in. I'm going to be > working with Ray to make this happen this week likely. > The wallpapers are already in rawhide (solar-backgrounds package) and working (the last version on wiki). I haven't found the night version of the dual screen one so I skipped it for now. Can some of you fix that (either it's missing altogether or there is some error in the wiki). We just need to enable them by default. Martin -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 197 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From notting at redhat.com Wed Oct 15 18:18:25 2008 From: notting at redhat.com (Bill Nottingham) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 14:18:25 -0400 Subject: F10 artwork questions In-Reply-To: <48F61FC9.9010606@fedoraproject.org> References: <20081015151907.GH1773@nostromo.devel.redhat.com> <48F61FC9.9010606@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <20081015181825.GA5344@nostromo.devel.redhat.com> M?ir?n Duffy (duffy at fedoraproject.org) said: > > When is it going to land for integration and review? Time is ticking... > > Peter already has the artwork for syslinux and grub. > > The wallpapers are ready to be checked in. I'm going to be > working with Ray to make this happen this week likely. > > The anaconda and firstboot artwork is ready to be checked > in, I will be passing them off to Jeremy and Chris this week. Cool. Note that in most cases outside of the backgrounds, the artwork ends up in fedora-logos/generic-logos, not anaconda/firstboot/etc. So that may change who gets what. > > The poster on http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/F10Themes/Solar - > > it doesn't appear to be valid English, certainly not in the header. > > And I'm not sure what "an all branded new way of technology" is. > > That is just a draft. It's not official yet thus it's not on > the marketing materials page. Edits and changes are welcomed. If Marketing's already on the case, that's fine by me. > > Finally, not to start too much controversy - is there a reason the > > *final* theme voting is Art-only? > > Yes, and I believe this was made clear when we discussed how > the vote should be run on this list, basically: > > - Artists are better able to evaluate/critique artwork than > people without an artistic background. > - Artists work hard on the artwork across Fedora all the > time (not just the theme but hackergotchis, banners, > posters, tshirts, pins, websites, icons, etc. etc. etc) and > should have some recognition/reward for that. > - The artists are the ones who are going to have to work on > finalizing the theme, so it makes sense they should have to > work on something they enjoy working on. I was thinking of it for the final cut as something akin to how the name is determined, after the entries have been winnowed by the Art team as above. But I understand where you're coming from. I'll hit up the archives. Bill From duffy at fedoraproject.org Wed Oct 15 18:21:45 2008 From: duffy at fedoraproject.org (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?M=E1ir=EDn_Duffy?=) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 14:21:45 -0400 Subject: F10 artwork questions In-Reply-To: <20081015181825.GA5344@nostromo.devel.redhat.com> References: <20081015151907.GH1773@nostromo.devel.redhat.com> <48F61FC9.9010606@fedoraproject.org> <20081015181825.GA5344@nostromo.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <48F634B9.1030609@fedoraproject.org> Bill Nottingham wrote: > I was thinking of it for the final cut as something akin to how the > name is determined, after the entries have been winnowed by the Art > team as above. But I understand where you're coming from. I'll hit > up the archives. How do the ideas get winnowed by the art team though if there are only typically 3-4 to choose from? See where we are coming from? Usually we come on a clear consensus. This time, a lot of folks put a lot of effort into more themes than we all have in the past. We felt the vote was the best way for our team to come to an internal consensus but by no means do we plan on relying on a vote for each feature. It's better when we come to the consensus naturally I think and we usually do. ~m From duffy at fedoraproject.org Wed Oct 15 18:33:03 2008 From: duffy at fedoraproject.org (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?M=E1ir=EDn_Duffy?=) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 14:33:03 -0400 Subject: Echo Icon Theme in F10? In-Reply-To: <1223917421.2874.29.camel@pc-notebook> References: <1223917421.2874.29.camel@pc-notebook> Message-ID: <48F6375F.8030903@fedoraproject.org> Hi Martin. Martin Sourada wrote: > most of you probably know, but I'll write it again - Echo Icon Theme is > the default icon theme in F10 since Beta (for testing purposes and > exposition to wider audience) and I am one of the feature owners. The > change is rather small (in that it does not break things, replaces just > graphics, no code) but pretty much exposed. I disagree with this statement. Changing the default icon theme for a distro is a very large and very visible change. It may not change anything functionally, but from an aesthetic and usability point of view it may change things drastically. It also will affect the Fedora brand. I do not think this is a decision to be made lightly. > I'd like to make clear that > we are not going to go against general opinion and I deem it natural for > the Art (since it's art) and Desktop (since it's going to be default in > Gnome Desktop) Teams to decide whether we are ready or not. I think this seems fair. I hope you realize though, that not everyone on the art team itself supports echo as the default in Fedora 10. I certainly do not. After trying out the latest echo package from rawhide, it seems clear to me it is just not at a state where it is appropriately complete and of the appropriate quality to be set as the default icon theme, from an objective point-of-view. I have put together the following visual critique of Echo from rawhide. Let me preface it by saying it is obvious that Echo has come a long way; it is most noticeable in the applications menus and in some of the desktop-size icons (I really really love the improvements in the computer icon, it looks much cleaner now) but it is still very lacking in quality in areas that affect most applications on the desktop - file / edit menus, toolbars, and the panel. Creating an entire icon theme is no small task. Here's some of that feedback. There are other screenshots at the bottom of the page I wanted to do the full critique on, but after spending some hours doing the critique that is complete there, I felt that what is there sufficiently and objectively demonstrates that Echo is not ready to be a default icon set: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Duffy/EchoCritiqueF10 I understand with FESCO you had discussed one metric of completion, I believe related to fulfillment of the tango-icon-spec. I do not think that metric is sufficient, though, to qualify an icon set as being ready to be set as the default. Other things need to be considered such as quality (the number of icons that appear chopped off in the menus in the screenshots I took is not promising), and how it fits in with other upstream icons we may not necessarily have control over (thunderbird, firefox come to mind as well as openoffice.org). I also think that the biggest problem with echo right now fitting into the Fedora desktop is the perspectives. An isometric perspective is used for the panel-size icons which will make it nearly impossible to fit in with the many upstream application icons that tend to follow the gnome-icon-theme and tango guidelines by default these days. I think some tough decisions are going to be have to made about echo's perspective and how it affects its fitting in with other icon sets, which is going to be inevitable. > > Because of the nature of the change it is IMHO possible to make the > decision last minute (i.e. around the development freeze). What I'd like > to ask you now is the preferred way to decide upon it. Should we hold a > irc meeting, do a mail vote, set up a vote in the fedora voting system, > other way? I'd prefer the vote in the fedora voting system (opened for > Art and Desktop team members only), but if you think otherwise would be > better, don't hesitate to suggest. Why don't we discuss this here first to see if there are any major objections to pushing it back again? I don't think we need a vote unless it is clear we don't have a consensus and are equally divided on the issue. ~m From moonman36 at gmail.com Wed Oct 15 18:49:11 2008 From: moonman36 at gmail.com (Alec Moon) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 13:49:11 -0500 Subject: Becoming a contributor Message-ID: Actually, because of the incompleteness of the list, I wasn't completely sure which projects were still open. I was interested in the Fedora USB distrobution Kit, though, as it looked like nobody has been working on it. On Wed, Oct 15, 2008 at 11:00 AM, wrote: > Send Fedora-art-list mailing list submissions to > fedora-art-list at redhat.com > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > fedora-art-list-request at redhat.com > > You can reach the person managing the list at > fedora-art-list-owner at redhat.com > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Fedora-art-list digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Fedora 10 promo video (draft) (Nicu Buculei) > 2. F10 artwork questions (Bill Nottingham) > 3. Re: Becoming a contributor (Nicu Buculei) > 4. Re: F10 artwork questions (Nicu Buculei) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 14:50:39 +0300 > From: Nicu Buculei > Subject: Re: Fedora 10 promo video (draft) > To: Fedora Art List > Message-ID: <48F5D90F.4010706 at nicubunu.ro> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed > > Paul W. Frields wrote: > > On Wed, 2008-10-15 at 09:17 +0300, Nicu Buculei wrote: > >> I also think it's very hard to make a "short" list with features to > outline > > > > We have made such a list in Marketing already: > > > https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-marketing-list/2008-September/msg00183.html > > I know about that list... it was my indirect way of pointing that a new > desktop theme is a *minor* feature (even if it is the most talked part > in reviews). > > > Hmm. Do we require simply FOSS-made materials, or specifically > > Fedora-made materials? > > Well, if we don't allow software from rpmfusion then we are SOL, no > videos beyond screen captures made with Istanbul or recorded from webcam > with Cheese. > > Effectively not even "I am Fedora" - > http://s6.video2.blip.tv/0570000043336/Mairin-IAmFedora740.ogg > > -- > nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com > Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ > Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org > my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 11:19:07 -0400 > From: Bill Nottingham > Subject: F10 artwork questions > To: fedora-art-list at redhat.com > Message-ID: <20081015151907.GH1773 at nostromo.devel.redhat.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > Some general questions: > > When is it going to land for integration and review? Time is ticking... > (Also, is it known late this release, and scheduled to be earlier > in future releases?) > > The poster on http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/F10Themes/Solar - > it doesn't appear to be valid English, certainly not in the header. > And I'm not sure what "an all branded new way of technology" is. > > Finally, not to start too much controversy - is there a reason the > *final* theme voting is Art-only? > > Bill > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 18:23:32 +0300 > From: Nicu Buculei > Subject: Re: Becoming a contributor > To: Fedora Art List > Message-ID: <48F60AF4.8000107 at nicubunu.ro> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed > > Alec Moon wrote: > > I have had some experience working with Photoshop, starting at verson 6, > > all the way to CS 3. I'm also experienced with GIMP. I like to do > > projects with a clear goal. I like abstract art more than realism. I'm > > very open to any sort of project. > > Hi Alec, > > Do you find something interesting in our open requests queue? > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/DesignService > > Note: our preferred applications are GIMP and Inkscape and a definite > must is file formats which can be opened with FOSS tools (GIMP and > Inkscape). > > -- > nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com > Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ > Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org > my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 18:38:53 +0300 > From: Nicu Buculei > Subject: Re: F10 artwork questions > To: Fedora Art List > Message-ID: <48F60E8D.5030006 at nicubunu.ro> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed > > Bill Nottingham wrote: > > Some general questions: > > > > When is it going to land for integration and review? Time is ticking... > > (Also, is it known late this release, and scheduled to be earlier > > in future releases?) > > As I understand, the final Solar images received OK and are ready for > packaging. I am not familiar with the process of going from wiki to > package. > > > The poster on http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/F10Themes/Solar - > > it doesn't appear to be valid English, certainly not in the header. > > And I'm not sure what "an all branded new way of technology" is. > > The post is not part of the release and should not be a blocker for > packaging (and I agree with you, its wording can be improved - we don't > have a better text from marketing). > > > Finally, not to start too much controversy - is there a reason the > > *final* theme voting is Art-only? > > It may not be the best link but > http://mihmo.livejournal.com/62031.html?thread=331343#t331343 > > We were not supposed to have a vote but decide the final theme by > consensus, only that for this release a consensus was not reached so we > had to use an internal vote. > > -- > nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com > Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ > Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org > my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro > > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list > > > End of Fedora-art-list Digest, Vol 31, Issue 33 > *********************************************** > -- The glass just broke all over my kitchen floor! That, my friends, is why Harley-Davidson motorcycles taste bad. -Alec- -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From martin.sourada at gmail.com Wed Oct 15 19:07:09 2008 From: martin.sourada at gmail.com (Martin Sourada) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 21:07:09 +0200 Subject: Echo Icon Theme in F10? In-Reply-To: <48F6375F.8030903@fedoraproject.org> References: <1223917421.2874.29.camel@pc-notebook> <48F6375F.8030903@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <1224097629.2820.33.camel@pc-notebook> First of all, thanks for the review, it pretty much outlines the issues I feel uneasy about as well. First, most of these issues are caused by SVG icon being scaled down (sometimes for a reason unknown to me and sometimes because of missing appropriate size variant). So I skip these, because we need to just finish other size and adjust them a little to keep them in sync with other icons. I seriously doubt we'll fix those in time for F10. Now, for the rest. The delete icon - yes, it looks different and I proposed we change it to something other. The discussion was postponed for after F10 release. The close icon on tabs - yes, it is chopped off and I don't understand why. It has correct size and the icon itself isn't chopped off, but in *some* applications it looks this way :-/ The door icon - the doors are slightly opened, perhaps too little, and behind there is a black space. The two pixel width outline is because both door and the door-hole has it's own outline. I agree, it might need improvement. System->Administration - yep, it probably needs rework to better fit with the style. Shut Down - dunno if you remember, but at the time it was being created there were a lot of submission and for some reason we chose this on. But even after a half a year (IIRC) of seeing it everyday it looks a bit weird me. Network - yep, an old style one. We need to use the new styled monitors for these... Palm - agreed Volume - I accepted it back when we were creating it, but it seems to me it actually uses different perspective from other icons... Firefox, Thunderbird, OpenOffice = pain, while firefox being the best... Basically the toolbar icons are pretty much themable in firefox, thunderbird needs theme, openoffice needs theme. Not a decent citizens. Seeing that our mail client of choice is Evolution though, which works good with Echo, I'd guess Thuderbird hasn't the highest priority (and it does not even fit with the F9 default icon theme). For openoffice we would probably need to symlink/copy the echo icons into echo icon theme for openoffice... I don't know, how they handle it. I'd very much like to hear Luya's opinion, but I don't feel like supporting Echo for F10 as default much longer... Martin -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Maybe my > > eyes suck, but it just looks like something went wrong when drawing the > > R. > > > > Overall I think I prefer the rounded 9, although I can't tell much > > difference between it and all the choices from Jay and Nicu, except for > > the (mis)spelling of "remix", and well, COLORS! > > > > I'd prefer something like 9, with remix spelled correctly, and as many > > color options as possible. > > I don't suppose we could just defer to the Fedora Art team to make a > decision, since we have set them up to be the authoritative voice on > precisely these kinds of matters? > > I'd rather see Mo/Nicu/et al making the call than Jesse. Not that I don't > love Jesse. ;) I'm OK with that call. I think the rounded banner definitely works best in everyone's opinion as being more thematically related to the font choices. So Artwork team, what do you say? -- Paul W. Frields gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://paul.frields.org/ - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From stickster at gmail.com Wed Oct 15 19:57:13 2008 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 19:57:13 +0000 Subject: F10 artwork questions In-Reply-To: <48F634B9.1030609@fedoraproject.org> References: <20081015151907.GH1773@nostromo.devel.redhat.com> <48F61FC9.9010606@fedoraproject.org> <20081015181825.GA5344@nostromo.devel.redhat.com> <48F634B9.1030609@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <1224100633.22899.85.camel@victoria-eth.internal.frields.org> On Wed, 2008-10-15 at 14:21 -0400, M?ir?n Duffy wrote: > Bill Nottingham wrote: > > I was thinking of it for the final cut as something akin to how the > > name is determined, after the entries have been winnowed by the Art > > team as above. But I understand where you're coming from. I'll hit > > up the archives. > > How do the ideas get winnowed by the art team though if > there are only typically 3-4 to choose from? > > See where we are coming from? > > Usually we come on a clear consensus. This time, a lot of > folks put a lot of effort into more themes than we all have > in the past. We felt the vote was the best way for our team > to come to an internal consensus but by no means do we plan > on relying on a vote for each feature. It's better when we > come to the consensus naturally I think and we usually do. The fact that there were so many solid entries this time around is a clear indicator of how the Artwork team has really prospered over the last couple of years. (Has it been that long? Yeesh.) I really do think that part of that success is due to a pretty solid design sense shared by the team, but yet open-mindedness about new ideas that fresh hands bring on board. I was really happy to look around at several theme ideas this release and think, "Wow, any of these would be really great for Fedora 10." -- Paul W. Frields gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://paul.frields.org/ - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From martin.sourada at gmail.com Wed Oct 15 20:23:41 2008 From: martin.sourada at gmail.com (Martin Sourada) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 22:23:41 +0200 Subject: Solar backrounds - enable by default? Message-ID: <1224102221.2820.92.camel@pc-notebook> Hi, I've just built an updated solar-backgrounds package [1]. It now contains all wallpapers available on wiki (16:10, 4:3, 5:4 and dual) for all day times with the xml for choosing one appropriate for the current time and date. I've bumped up the release to 0.90.0 and if everything is OK and these will be final, I'll bump it again to 1.0.0 which should be in Fedora 10 gold. I noticed there is a brighter horizontal line in the dual screen wallpapers at the left part of the wallpaper. Is that OK? I think it should be fixed. We need to enable them by default, I believe Mo is taking care of it? There's one concern though - the size of the package is 37.4 MiB. Is there a chance to make it smaller, or is it the best we can achieve? Thanks, Martin References: [1] http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/buildinfo?buildID=66473 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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In-Reply-To: <1224102221.2820.92.camel@pc-notebook> References: <1224102221.2820.92.camel@pc-notebook> Message-ID: <20081015210024.GC6602@nostromo.devel.redhat.com> Martin Sourada (martin.sourada at gmail.com) said: > We need to enable them by default, I believe Mo is taking care of it? > There's one concern though - the size of the package is 37.4 MiB. Is > there a chance to make it smaller, or is it the best we can achieve? That may be an issue for the livecd. The existing desktop-backgrounds package (that's put on the livecd, and includes the waves images) is 14MB. Bill From duffy at fedoraproject.org Wed Oct 15 21:02:44 2008 From: duffy at fedoraproject.org (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?M=E1ir=EDn_Duffy?=) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 17:02:44 -0400 Subject: Solar backrounds - enable by default? In-Reply-To: <20081015210024.GC6602@nostromo.devel.redhat.com> References: <1224102221.2820.92.camel@pc-notebook> <20081015210024.GC6602@nostromo.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <48F65A74.1070904@fedoraproject.org> Bill Nottingham wrote: > Martin Sourada (martin.sourada at gmail.com) said: >> We need to enable them by default, I believe Mo is taking care of it? >> There's one concern though - the size of the package is 37.4 MiB. Is >> there a chance to make it smaller, or is it the best we can achieve? > > That may be an issue for the livecd. The existing desktop-backgrounds > package (that's put on the livecd, and includes the waves images) > is 14MB. So the ones we have are very high resolution. We could scale them down to smaller more common resolutions and I am sure save a lot of space. But if people want to install the higher resolution ones, (say for a 30" monitor or dual screens) what's the best way to package that? ~m From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Wed Oct 15 21:11:47 2008 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2008 02:41:47 +0530 Subject: Solar backrounds - enable by default? In-Reply-To: <48F65A74.1070904@fedoraproject.org> References: <1224102221.2820.92.camel@pc-notebook> <20081015210024.GC6602@nostromo.devel.redhat.com> <48F65A74.1070904@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <48F65C93.70006@fedoraproject.org> M?ir?n Duffy wrote: > Bill Nottingham wrote: >> Martin Sourada (martin.sourada at gmail.com) said: >>> We need to enable them by default, I believe Mo is taking care of it? >>> There's one concern though - the size of the package is 37.4 MiB. Is >>> there a chance to make it smaller, or is it the best we can achieve? >> That may be an issue for the livecd. The existing desktop-backgrounds >> package (that's put on the livecd, and includes the waves images) >> is 14MB. > > So the ones we have are very high resolution. We could scale > them down to smaller more common resolutions and I am sure > save a lot of space. But if people want to install the > higher resolution ones, (say for a 30" monitor or dual > screens) what's the best way to package that? We can split up the high res ones into a separate sub package so it is available in the repo but not installed by default. Live CD is always cramped for space so we need to be careful there. Rahul From duffy at fedoraproject.org Wed Oct 15 21:16:34 2008 From: duffy at fedoraproject.org (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?M=E1ir=EDn_Duffy?=) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 17:16:34 -0400 Subject: Fedora Remix mark In-Reply-To: <1224100232.22899.81.camel@victoria-eth.internal.frields.org> References: <1223567677.13014.57.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1224097365.4122.48.camel@luminos.localdomain> <1224100232.22899.81.camel@victoria-eth.internal.frields.org> Message-ID: <48F65DB2.8080209@fedoraproject.org> Paul W. Frields wrote: > On Wed, 2008-10-15 at 15:40 -0400, Greg Dekoenigsberg wrote: >> On Wed, 15 Oct 2008, Jesse Keating wrote: >> >>> On Thu, 2008-10-09 at 15:54 +0000, Paul W. Frields wrote: >>>> This is the page where I collected your contributions to a design. The >>>> time's come for me to refer the design candidates to the Board for >>>> approval. >>> Yay art opinions! >>> >>> So, I strongly dislike what is done to the R of Remix in "13". Maybe my >>> eyes suck, but it just looks like something went wrong when drawing the >>> R. >>> >>> Overall I think I prefer the rounded 9, although I can't tell much >>> difference between it and all the choices from Jay and Nicu, except for >>> the (mis)spelling of "remix", and well, COLORS! >>> >>> I'd prefer something like 9, with remix spelled correctly, and as many >>> color options as possible. >> I don't suppose we could just defer to the Fedora Art team to make a >> decision, since we have set them up to be the authoritative voice on >> precisely these kinds of matters? >> >> I'd rather see Mo/Nicu/et al making the call than Jesse. Not that I don't >> love Jesse. ;) > > I'm OK with that call. I think the rounded banner definitely works best > in everyone's opinion as being more thematically related to the font > choices. So Artwork team, what do you say? My recommendation is this design, but let's try it with remix spelled out normally instead of with the !. https://fedoraproject.org/w/uploads/6/61/Fedora_secondary_logo_drafts_nicubunu_color.png Do we need to provide a palette of possible colors? Or is it okay to be open-ended in the usage guidelines for this mark? Or both? :) ~m From duffy at fedoraproject.org Wed Oct 15 21:27:57 2008 From: duffy at fedoraproject.org (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?M=E1ir=EDn_Duffy?=) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 17:27:57 -0400 Subject: Echo Icon Theme in F10? In-Reply-To: <1224097629.2820.33.camel@pc-notebook> References: <1223917421.2874.29.camel@pc-notebook> <48F6375F.8030903@fedoraproject.org> <1224097629.2820.33.camel@pc-notebook> Message-ID: <48F6605D.5070106@fedoraproject.org> Martin Sourada wrote: > I'd very much like to hear Luya's opinion, but I don't feel like > supporting Echo for F10 as default much longer... It's amazing how much more calm, easy, and productive discussions like this are when the folks involved are level-headed and treat each other with respect. Thanks, Martin! ~m From jarodwen at gmail.com Wed Oct 15 21:30:37 2008 From: jarodwen at gmail.com (Jarod Wen) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 17:30:37 -0400 Subject: The third draft for F10 Solar CD/DVD sleeves In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <378AA086-AC65-46DE-814A-3E338BCF5068@gmail.com> Hi Adam, Thanks for your comment. In fact the sentence has been changed back to be "i686 Live CD" to conform to the names in the download page of live cd. Please find the new version from the top of the list. Thanks! On Oct 15, 2008, at 5:21 PM, Adam Pribyl wrote: > There is a typo at: > http://www.ccs.neu.edu/home/jarodwen/Fedora/10/sleeve_arts/r5/Artwork_MediaArt_F10_CDSleeve_1.png > > For all Inter-Compatible PCs -> For all Intel-Compatible PCs. > > even though inter-compatible PC is also nice.:) > > Adam Pribyl > ------ Jarod Wen jarodwen at gmail.com From ivazqueznet at gmail.com Wed Oct 15 21:33:15 2008 From: ivazqueznet at gmail.com (Ignacio Vazquez-Abrams) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 17:33:15 -0400 Subject: Fedora Remix mark In-Reply-To: <48F65DB2.8080209@fedoraproject.org> References: <1223567677.13014.57.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1224097365.4122.48.camel@luminos.localdomain> <1224100232.22899.81.camel@victoria-eth.internal.frields.org> <48F65DB2.8080209@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <1224106395.13861.105.camel@ignacio.lan> On Wed, 2008-10-15 at 17:16 -0400, M?ir?n Duffy wrote: > Do we need to provide a palette of possible colors? Or is it > okay to be open-ended in the usage guidelines for this mark? > Or both? :) I'd say both. Give some tasteful colors as examples, but allow them to use any color they like provided that "remix" is clearly visible. -- Ignacio Vazquez-Abrams PLEASE don't CC me; I'm already subscribed -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From stickster at gmail.com Wed Oct 15 23:47:25 2008 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 23:47:25 +0000 Subject: Fedora Remix mark In-Reply-To: <1224106395.13861.105.camel@ignacio.lan> References: <1223567677.13014.57.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1224097365.4122.48.camel@luminos.localdomain> <1224100232.22899.81.camel@victoria-eth.internal.frields.org> <48F65DB2.8080209@fedoraproject.org> <1224106395.13861.105.camel@ignacio.lan> Message-ID: <1224114446.3335.59.camel@victoria-eth> On Wed, 2008-10-15 at 17:33 -0400, Ignacio Vazquez-Abrams wrote: > On Wed, 2008-10-15 at 17:16 -0400, M?ir?n Duffy wrote: > > Do we need to provide a palette of possible colors? Or is it > > okay to be open-ended in the usage guidelines for this mark? > > Or both? :) > > I'd say both. Give some tasteful colors as examples, but allow them to > use any color they like provided that "remix" is clearly visible. Our palette cannot be open-ended. We can make a selection of tasteful colors, though. The "fedora" logo type may not change colors, but the banner surrounding the "remix" text may. -- Paul W. Frields gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://paul.frields.org/ - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I presumed that choices had already been vetted by Art and what we were presented with was a stalemate or set of choices that Art wanted a decision on. If that hasn't happened (yet), then definitely let it. - Karsten -- Karsten Wade, Community Gardener Dev Fu : http://developer.redhatmagazine.com Fedora : http://quaid.fedorapeople.org gpg key : AD0E0C41 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Time is ticking... > >> (Also, is it known late this release, and scheduled to be earlier > >> in future releases?) > > > > As I understand, the final Solar images received OK and are ready for > > packaging. I am not familiar with the process of going from wiki to > > package. > > OK, cc'ing logos maintainer. I just need a list of the files that need to be added to the fedora-logos package (along with where I can download them). ~spot From jkeating at redhat.com Wed Oct 15 19:02:44 2008 From: jkeating at redhat.com (Jesse Keating) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 12:02:44 -0700 Subject: Fedora Remix mark In-Reply-To: <1223567677.13014.57.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1223567677.13014.57.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1224097365.4122.48.camel@luminos.localdomain> On Thu, 2008-10-09 at 15:54 +0000, Paul W. Frields wrote: > This is the page where I collected your contributions to a design. The > time's come for me to refer the design candidates to the Board for > approval. Yay art opinions! So, I strongly dislike what is done to the R of Remix in "13". Maybe my eyes suck, but it just looks like something went wrong when drawing the R. Overall I think I prefer the rounded 9, although I can't tell much difference between it and all the choices from Jay and Nicu, except for the (mis)spelling of "remix", and well, COLORS! I'd prefer something like 9, with remix spelled correctly, and as many color options as possible. -- Jesse Keating Fedora -- Freedom? is a feature! identi.ca: http://identi.ca/jkeating -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 197 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From gdk at redhat.com Wed Oct 15 19:40:43 2008 From: gdk at redhat.com (Greg Dekoenigsberg) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 15:40:43 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Fedora Remix mark In-Reply-To: <1224097365.4122.48.camel@luminos.localdomain> References: <1223567677.13014.57.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1224097365.4122.48.camel@luminos.localdomain> Message-ID: On Wed, 15 Oct 2008, Jesse Keating wrote: > On Thu, 2008-10-09 at 15:54 +0000, Paul W. Frields wrote: >> This is the page where I collected your contributions to a design. The >> time's come for me to refer the design candidates to the Board for >> approval. > > Yay art opinions! > > So, I strongly dislike what is done to the R of Remix in "13". Maybe my > eyes suck, but it just looks like something went wrong when drawing the > R. > > Overall I think I prefer the rounded 9, although I can't tell much > difference between it and all the choices from Jay and Nicu, except for > the (mis)spelling of "remix", and well, COLORS! > > I'd prefer something like 9, with remix spelled correctly, and as many > color options as possible. I don't suppose we could just defer to the Fedora Art team to make a decision, since we have set them up to be the authoritative voice on precisely these kinds of matters? I'd rather see Mo/Nicu/et al making the call than Jesse. Not that I don't love Jesse. ;) --g From skvidal at fedoraproject.org Wed Oct 15 20:50:43 2008 From: skvidal at fedoraproject.org (seth vidal) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 16:50:43 -0400 Subject: Fedora Remix mark In-Reply-To: References: <1223567677.13014.57.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1224097365.4122.48.camel@luminos.localdomain> Message-ID: <1224103843.21581.21.camel@rosebud> On Wed, 2008-10-15 at 15:40 -0400, Greg Dekoenigsberg wrote: > On Wed, 15 Oct 2008, Jesse Keating wrote: > > > On Thu, 2008-10-09 at 15:54 +0000, Paul W. Frields wrote: > >> This is the page where I collected your contributions to a design. The > >> time's come for me to refer the design candidates to the Board for > >> approval. > > > > Yay art opinions! > > > > So, I strongly dislike what is done to the R of Remix in "13". Maybe my > > eyes suck, but it just looks like something went wrong when drawing the > > R. > > > > Overall I think I prefer the rounded 9, although I can't tell much > > difference between it and all the choices from Jay and Nicu, except for > > the (mis)spelling of "remix", and well, COLORS! > > > > I'd prefer something like 9, with remix spelled correctly, and as many > > color options as possible. > > I don't suppose we could just defer to the Fedora Art team to make a > decision, since we have set them up to be the authoritative voice on > precisely these kinds of matters? Yes, agreed. -sv From pribyl at lowlevel.cz Wed Oct 15 21:21:58 2008 From: pribyl at lowlevel.cz (Adam Pribyl) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 23:21:58 +0200 (CEST) Subject: The third draft for F10 Solar CD/DVD sleeves Message-ID: There is a typo at: http://www.ccs.neu.edu/home/jarodwen/Fedora/10/sleeve_arts/r5/Artwork_MediaArt_F10_CDSleeve_1.png For all Inter-Compatible PCs -> For all Intel-Compatible PCs. even though inter-compatible PC is also nice.:) Adam Pribyl From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Thu Oct 16 07:19:36 2008 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2008 10:19:36 +0300 Subject: Echo Icon Theme in F10? In-Reply-To: <48F6375F.8030903@fedoraproject.org> References: <1223917421.2874.29.camel@pc-notebook> <48F6375F.8030903@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <48F6EB08.2020804@nicubunu.ro> M?ir?n Duffy wrote: > > Here's some of that feedback. There are other screenshots at > the bottom of the page I wanted to do the full critique on, > but after spending some hours doing the critique that is > complete there, I felt that what is there sufficiently and > objectively demonstrates that Echo is not ready to be a > default icon set: > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Duffy/EchoCritiqueF10 While I agree with a good part of your criticism, I think you go a bit too far in defending the current set and making it look like is not broken (maybe is not broken as much, but broken enough to need repairing): http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/Echocrit-f10-hardware-menu-gnome.png -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Thu Oct 16 07:39:06 2008 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2008 10:39:06 +0300 Subject: Fedora Remix mark In-Reply-To: <48F65DB2.8080209@fedoraproject.org> References: <1223567677.13014.57.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1224097365.4122.48.camel@luminos.localdomain> <1224100232.22899.81.camel@victoria-eth.internal.frields.org> <48F65DB2.8080209@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <48F6EF9A.4010201@nicubunu.ro> M?ir?n Duffy wrote: > My recommendation is this design, but let's try it with > remix spelled out normally instead of with the !. > > https://fedoraproject.org/w/uploads/6/61/Fedora_secondary_logo_drafts_nicubunu_color.png Added an update: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Image:Fedora_secondary_logo_drafts_nicubunu_color1.png > Do we need to provide a palette of possible colors? Or is it > okay to be open-ended in the usage guidelines for this mark? > Or both? :) This time I tried a single logo and a swatch for the other colors (used Agave to find fitting colors) -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From luya at fedoraproject.org Thu Oct 16 09:11:00 2008 From: luya at fedoraproject.org (Luya Tshimbalanga) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2008 02:11:00 -0700 Subject: Echo Icon Theme in F10? In-Reply-To: <48F6375F.8030903@fedoraproject.org> References: <1223917421.2874.29.camel@pc-notebook> <48F6375F.8030903@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <48F70524.7070502@fedoraproject.org> Blame me for pushing Echo through FESCO. After following suggestion for submitting it to FESCO, I was a bit surprised that icon set was accepted. Were it rejected, we will not have to deal with current issue. In one part we'd withdraw Echo while taking a hit from outside for once again not include it; in other part we keep, taking a hit for having some incomplete set. That is dilemma which basically means choosing a poison. It reminds PackageKit case that was pushed as 0.1 release which some incomplete functions. Granted, it has not as visible as Echo. It is up to the leader who has a final sentence. M?ir?n Duffy a ?crit : > Here's some of that feedback. There are other screenshots at > the bottom of the page I wanted to do the full critique on, > but after spending some hours doing the critique that is > complete there, I felt that what is there sufficiently and > objectively demonstrates that Echo is not ready to be a > default icon set: > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Duffy/EchoCritiqueF10 > Martin covered most issues, here is mine: Gedit: * - Gnome version of new file has a too bright star. * - Save icon can a matter of debate, Gnome version looks like a portable cd player. Echo version rendering issue will be addressed. * - Other Echo icons were from early version that need to be changed Gimp * Help and Reset are not Echo icons. System Hardware * Keyboard: actually a wrong symlink version because that icon was initially intended for preferences-desktop-keyboard-shortcut. I have prepared a new version of based on your suggestion minus letters along along with revamped input-keyboard I am uploading shortly.[1] * Palm: was before the new guideline, intended to fix that. * Firefox and Thunderbird: Actually Thunderbird perspective appears to match Echo version. When it comes to circular, only shadows are dealt. * That paint icon: does not come by default in panel. Additional icons * From which size of icons those blurriness come from? Luya - Nuts enough to have five different icons theme on desktop. Reference --------------- http://luya.fedorapeople.org/echo/applications/ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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As the color palette: I thought the colors chosen have a very pastel shade (the weather reminds me of the northern hemisphere, despite never having gone over there ... lol), and as I am Brazilian and I enjoy contrasting colors and a little warmer. I have published a new palette with my proposal and I hope you like it. I apologize for the delay and my English primary (Greg knows how my English is terrible) but I'm striving for the most part of the discussions. Regards. J 2008/10/16 Nicu Buculei > M?ir?n Duffy wrote: > >> My recommendation is this design, but let's try it with >> remix spelled out normally instead of with the !. >> >> >> https://fedoraproject.org/w/uploads/6/61/Fedora_secondary_logo_drafts_nicubunu_color.png >> > > Added an update: > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Image:Fedora_secondary_logo_drafts_nicubunu_color1.png > > Do we need to provide a palette of possible colors? Or is it >> okay to be open-ended in the usage guidelines for this mark? >> Or both? :) >> > > This time I tried a single logo and a swatch for the other colors (used > Agave to find fitting colors) > > -- > nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com > Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ > Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org > my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro > > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list > -- Jayme Ayres www.jaymeayres.com www.projetofedora.org http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/JaymeAyres -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From stickster at gmail.com Thu Oct 16 12:38:16 2008 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2008 12:38:16 +0000 Subject: Fedora Remix mark In-Reply-To: <48F6EF9A.4010201@nicubunu.ro> References: <1223567677.13014.57.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1224097365.4122.48.camel@luminos.localdomain> <1224100232.22899.81.camel@victoria-eth.internal.frields.org> <48F65DB2.8080209@fedoraproject.org> <48F6EF9A.4010201@nicubunu.ro> Message-ID: <1224160697.3335.98.camel@victoria-eth> On Thu, 2008-10-16 at 10:39 +0300, Nicu Buculei wrote: > M?ir?n Duffy wrote: > > My recommendation is this design, but let's try it with > > remix spelled out normally instead of with the !. > > > > https://fedoraproject.org/w/uploads/6/61/Fedora_secondary_logo_drafts_nicubunu_color.png > > Added an update: > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Image:Fedora_secondary_logo_drafts_nicubunu_color1.png > > > Do we need to provide a palette of possible colors? Or is it > > okay to be open-ended in the usage guidelines for this mark? > > Or both? :) > > This time I tried a single logo and a swatch for the other colors (used > Agave to find fitting colors) Very nice. I'm not sure how Agave picks colors, but I've been impressed with the results on the rare occasions I've used it! Once the Artwork team is happy with and approves a logo, there are a couple more treatments that would be helpful: * for use on dark backgrounds * one or two monochromatic versions Please let me know when as soon as you can when you've approved a logo -- there's at least one party queued up to use it. -- Paul W. Frields gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://paul.frields.org/ - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From stickster at gmail.com Thu Oct 16 13:07:11 2008 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2008 09:07:11 -0400 Subject: The third draft for F10 Solar CD/DVD sleeves In-Reply-To: <378AA086-AC65-46DE-814A-3E338BCF5068@gmail.com> References: <378AA086-AC65-46DE-814A-3E338BCF5068@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1224162431.19681.9.camel@victoria-eth> On Wed, 2008-10-15 at 17:30 -0400, Jarod Wen wrote: > Hi Adam, > > Thanks for your comment. In fact the sentence has been changed back to > be "i686 Live CD" to conform to the names in the download page of live > cd. Please find the new version from the top of the list. The names on the download page should be changed, not your cover. For a while now we've needed to make those pages more accessible to non-techies, and Mo had made a very attractive new draft for that purpose: http://duffy.fedorapeople.org/webdesign/get-fedora/ I notice that her draft also includes "i686" but I think that we really should be eliminating jargon as much as possible. I'll bring that up on the Websites list as a follow-on, since I didn't notice it earlier. Am I completely wrong that "For Intel-compatible PCs" is better for the users to whom we're handing these out? If we were to make special 64-bit covers, I'd suggest "For 64-bit PCs." The number of 64-bit machines is steadily growing in the USA but the people who typically ask specifically for 64-bit don't need to be told what they have. On the other hand, the only way to accommodate people who *don't* know is to give them the standard 32-bit version, and they don't need to know the difference. -- Paul W. Frields gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://paul.frields.org/ - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Thu Oct 16 13:26:33 2008 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2008 16:26:33 +0300 Subject: Fedora Remix mark In-Reply-To: <1224160697.3335.98.camel@victoria-eth> References: <1223567677.13014.57.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1224097365.4122.48.camel@luminos.localdomain> <1224100232.22899.81.camel@victoria-eth.internal.frields.org> <48F65DB2.8080209@fedoraproject.org> <48F6EF9A.4010201@nicubunu.ro> <1224160697.3335.98.camel@victoria-eth> Message-ID: <48F74109.9050105@nicubunu.ro> Paul W. Frields wrote: > > Very nice. I'm not sure how Agave picks colors, but I've been impressed > with the results on the rare occasions I've used it! Probably you don't have the time for it, but this is an interesting reading: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Color_theory -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Thu Oct 16 13:32:07 2008 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2008 16:32:07 +0300 Subject: The third draft for F10 Solar CD/DVD sleeves In-Reply-To: <1224162431.19681.9.camel@victoria-eth> References: <378AA086-AC65-46DE-814A-3E338BCF5068@gmail.com> <1224162431.19681.9.camel@victoria-eth> Message-ID: <48F74257.7030807@nicubunu.ro> Paul W. Frields wrote: > > Am I completely wrong that "For Intel-compatible PCs" is better for the > users to whom we're handing these out? If we were to make special > 64-bit covers, I'd suggest "For 64-bit PCs." The number of 64-bit > machines is steadily growing in the USA but the people who typically ask > specifically for 64-bit don't need to be told what they have. On the > other hand, the only way to accommodate people who *don't* know is to > give them the standard 32-bit version, and they don't need to know the > difference. Well, probably the AMD fanboys are not that happy with spelling "Intel"... Note: for the time being I run mostly Intel machines, but I still am an AMD fanboy at heart and understand why spelling "Intel" *may* be better for newbies (which newbies should be educated by someone). -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From notting at redhat.com Thu Oct 16 13:07:42 2008 From: notting at redhat.com (Bill Nottingham) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2008 09:07:42 -0400 Subject: Echo Icon Theme in F10? In-Reply-To: <48F70524.7070502@fedoraproject.org> References: <1223917421.2874.29.camel@pc-notebook> <48F6375F.8030903@fedoraproject.org> <48F70524.7070502@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <20081016130742.GA19687@nostromo.devel.redhat.com> Luya Tshimbalanga (luya at fedoraproject.org) said: > Blame me for pushing Echo through FESCO. After following suggestion for > submitting it to FESCO, I was a bit surprised that icon set was > accepted. As one of the FESCo members who accepted it, I'll take the blame for this. I assumed that Echo was at the time the will of the Art/Desktop/KDE teams, and it was being proposed as a Feature just to make sure it got the marketing/press/coverage that a change like that warrants. I did not actually *confirm* that assumption, and now we're here. My apologies, Bill From jayme at jaymeayres.com Thu Oct 16 13:50:23 2008 From: jayme at jaymeayres.com (Jayme Ayres) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2008 11:50:23 -0200 Subject: Fedora Remix mark In-Reply-To: <48F74109.9050105@nicubunu.ro> References: <1223567677.13014.57.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1224097365.4122.48.camel@luminos.localdomain> <1224100232.22899.81.camel@victoria-eth.internal.frields.org> <48F65DB2.8080209@fedoraproject.org> <48F6EF9A.4010201@nicubunu.ro> <1224160697.3335.98.camel@victoria-eth> <48F74109.9050105@nicubunu.ro> Message-ID: <64b33fc70810160650u5df12d1bs553da9e45130e993@mail.gmail.com> 2008/10/16 Nicu Buculei > Paul W. Frields wrote: > >> >> Very nice. I'm not sure how Agave picks colors, but I've been impressed >> with the results on the rare occasions I've used it! >> > > Probably you don't have the time for it, but this is an interesting > reading: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Color_theory > > See also this: http://www.mariaclaudiacortes.com/colors/Colors.html > > -- > nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com > Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ > Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org > my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list > -- Jayme Ayres www.jaymeayres.com www.projetofedora.org http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/JaymeAyres -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From stickster at gmail.com Thu Oct 16 14:07:31 2008 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2008 10:07:31 -0400 Subject: The third draft for F10 Solar CD/DVD sleeves In-Reply-To: <48F74257.7030807@nicubunu.ro> References: <378AA086-AC65-46DE-814A-3E338BCF5068@gmail.com> <1224162431.19681.9.camel@victoria-eth> <48F74257.7030807@nicubunu.ro> Message-ID: <1224166051.19681.59.camel@victoria-eth> On Thu, 2008-10-16 at 16:32 +0300, Nicu Buculei wrote: > Paul W. Frields wrote: > > > > Am I completely wrong that "For Intel-compatible PCs" is better for the > > users to whom we're handing these out? If we were to make special > > 64-bit covers, I'd suggest "For 64-bit PCs." The number of 64-bit > > machines is steadily growing in the USA but the people who typically ask > > specifically for 64-bit don't need to be told what they have. On the > > other hand, the only way to accommodate people who *don't* know is to > > give them the standard 32-bit version, and they don't need to know the > > difference. > > Well, probably the AMD fanboys are not that happy with spelling "Intel"... > > Note: for the time being I run mostly Intel machines, but I still am an > AMD fanboy at heart and understand why spelling "Intel" *may* be better > for newbies (which newbies should be educated by someone). Good point. We can't really say just "PCs" either thanks to Apple's switch to Intel CPUs. -- Paul W. Frields gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://paul.frields.org/ - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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From jonstanley at gmail.com Thu Oct 16 14:26:22 2008 From: jonstanley at gmail.com (Jon Stanley) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2008 10:26:22 -0400 Subject: Fifth draft for F10 sleeves In-Reply-To: <91B97DDD-601E-4683-B83F-BCB4C532A078@gmail.com> References: <91B97DDD-601E-4683-B83F-BCB4C532A078@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Tue, Oct 14, 2008 at 7:17 PM, Jarod Wen wrote: > http://www.ccs.neu.edu/home/jarodwen/Fedora/10/sleeve_arts/sleeve_arts.html I really like these, however, I'd also like to drive any potential contributors to join.fedoraproject.org on the back of the sleeve. I think that we did that with F9 to great effect. Comments, criticisms or flames? :) From martin.sourada at gmail.com Thu Oct 16 14:27:24 2008 From: martin.sourada at gmail.com (Martin Sourada) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2008 16:27:24 +0200 Subject: Echo Icon Theme in F10? In-Reply-To: <48F6EB08.2020804@nicubunu.ro> References: <1223917421.2874.29.camel@pc-notebook> <48F6375F.8030903@fedoraproject.org> <48F6EB08.2020804@nicubunu.ro> Message-ID: <1224167244.2820.107.camel@pc-notebook> On Thu, 2008-10-16 at 10:19 +0300, Nicu Buculei wrote: > M?ir?n Duffy wrote: > > > > Here's some of that feedback. There are other screenshots at > > the bottom of the page I wanted to do the full critique on, > > but after spending some hours doing the critique that is > > complete there, I felt that what is there sufficiently and > > objectively demonstrates that Echo is not ready to be a > > default icon set: > > > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Duffy/EchoCritiqueF10 > > While I agree with a good part of your criticism, I think you go a bit > too far in defending the current set and making it look like is not > broken (maybe is not broken as much, but broken enough to need repairing): > > http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/Echocrit-f10-hardware-menu-gnome.png > If I recall correctly Andreas asked many times here to fill bugs for problems like those ;-) Yeah, the upstream default is not complete either and have some issues (I also noticed slightly different perspective is used for e.g. keyboard and mouse icons than for than for e.g. the preferences one, but the difference is not that big as with echo vs. mist), but Mo wanted to point out Echo issues, which she did pretty carefully and throughout, I think. 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I think some tough decisions are going to be > have to made about echo's perspective and how it affects its > fitting in with other icon sets, which is going to be > inevitable. Regarding this, we also have bluecurve icons still which are also an isometric perspective, but a different one from Echo. For Echo replacing these seems to be a ToDo later item (https://fedorahosted.org/echo-icon-theme/wiki/ToDo/GnomeMenus); if we stick with Mist, do we intend to fix these there? Currently, the bluecurve icons that people see are: - the OpenOffice app start icons - Desktop Effects - the anaconda pixmaps/icons Bill From stickster at gmail.com Thu Oct 16 14:53:55 2008 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2008 14:53:55 +0000 Subject: The third draft for F10 Solar CD/DVD sleeves In-Reply-To: References: <378AA086-AC65-46DE-814A-3E338BCF5068@gmail.com> <1224162431.19681.9.camel@victoria-eth> <48F74257.7030807@nicubunu.ro> <1224166051.19681.59.camel@victoria-eth> Message-ID: <1224168836.19681.83.camel@victoria-eth> On Thu, 2008-10-16 at 10:18 -0400, Jon Stanley wrote: > 2008/10/16 Paul W. Frields : > > > Good point. We can't really say just "PCs" either thanks to Apple's > > switch to Intel CPUs. > > May be a little nitpicky, but what's wrong with calling a machine made > by Apple (regardless of whether it has a ppc, pcc64, or Intel chip) a > PC? By every definition (other than Apple's marketing), it is a > "personal computer" thereby qualifying it as a "PC". You should bring this up with Apple -- or maybe TBWA\Chiat\Day -- given their recent ads which still position Macs as something different than PCs. -- Paul W. Frields gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://paul.frields.org/ - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Thu Oct 16 15:05:04 2008 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2008 18:05:04 +0300 Subject: Fifth draft for F10 sleeves In-Reply-To: References: <91B97DDD-601E-4683-B83F-BCB4C532A078@gmail.com> Message-ID: <48F75820.9050606@nicubunu.ro> Jon Stanley wrote: > On Tue, Oct 14, 2008 at 7:17 PM, Jarod Wen wrote: > >> http://www.ccs.neu.edu/home/jarodwen/Fedora/10/sleeve_arts/sleeve_arts.html > > I really like these, however, I'd also like to drive any potential > contributors to join.fedoraproject.org on the back of the sleeve. I > think that we did that with F9 to great effect. Comments, criticisms > or flames? :) No flame, but I think we should have only *one* URL in such big letters, be it either fp.o or fp.o/join-fedora (we can have the other in small letters, but fewer people will look at it) -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From jarodwen at gmail.com Thu Oct 16 15:07:45 2008 From: jarodwen at gmail.com (Jarod Wen) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2008 11:07:45 -0400 Subject: The third draft for F10 Solar CD/DVD sleeves In-Reply-To: <20081016144028.9510F8E0294@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20081016144028.9510F8E0294@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <718154F7-17A5-4240-89DA-2FC51BE5BE99@gmail.com> > May be a little nitpicky, but what's wrong with calling a machine made > by Apple (regardless of whether it has a ppc, pcc64, or Intel chip) a > PC? By every definition (other than Apple's marketing), it is a > "personal computer" thereby qualifying it as a "PC". Personally, I wish I could see on the sleeve that my mac can use it. Of course, I admitted that when I was a newbie in Linux, I was rather confused by the name of i386/586/686... Maybe a simple mark, saying 32- bit or 64-bit, will be better? Or we just mention the 64-bit CD/DVD separately but none on CD? > I really like these, however, I'd also like to drive any potential > contributors to join.fedoraproject.org on the back of the sleeve. I > think that we did that with F9 to great effect. Comments, criticisms > or flames? :) I noticed that in the final printable sleeves for Fedora 9 "fedoraproject.org" has been changed to "join.fedoraproject.org". Maybe it is a good idea to follow this way, isn't it? ------ Jarod Wen jarodwen at gmail.com From duffy at fedoraproject.org Thu Oct 16 15:21:08 2008 From: duffy at fedoraproject.org (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?M=E1ir=EDn_Duffy?=) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2008 11:21:08 -0400 Subject: F10 artwork questions In-Reply-To: <1224087150.3270.29.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <20081015151907.GH1773@nostromo.devel.redhat.com> <48F60E8D.5030006@nicubunu.ro> <20081015160130.GA4378@nostromo.devel.redhat.com> <1224087150.3270.29.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <48F75BE4.5040300@fedoraproject.org> Tom "spot" Callaway wrote: > On Wed, 2008-10-15 at 12:01 -0400, Bill Nottingham wrote: >> Nicu Buculei (nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro) said: >>>> When is it going to land for integration and review? Time is ticking... >>>> (Also, is it known late this release, and scheduled to be earlier >>>> in future releases?) >>> As I understand, the final Solar images received OK and are ready for >>> packaging. I am not familiar with the process of going from wiki to >>> package. >> OK, cc'ing logos maintainer. > > I just need a list of the files that need to be added to the > fedora-logos package (along with where I can download them). Well, I did an rpm -ql on the fedora-logos package, and listed out the files that I know we're replacing for the solar theme. It some cases the same image is in the package under two different paths. Anywhere, here are all the paths: 1 - /boot/grub/splash.xpm.gz 2 - /usr/lib/anaconda-runtime/boot/syslinux-splash.png 3 - /usr/lib/anaconda-runtime/syslinux-vesa-splash.jpg 4 - /usr/share/anaconda/pixmaps/anaconda_header.png 5 - /usr/share/anaconda/pixmaps/progress_first-lowres.png 6 - /usr/share/anaconda/pixmaps/progress_first.png 7 - /usr/share/anaconda/pixmaps/splash.png 8 - /usr/share/anaconda/pixmaps/syslinux-splash.png 9 - /usr/share/firstboot/themes/fedora-waves/splash-small.png 10 - /usr/share/firstboot/themes/fedora-waves/firstboot-left.png 11 - /usr/share/gnome-screensaver/lock-dialog-system.png 12 - /usr/share/pixmaps/splash/gnome-splash.png 13 - /usr/share/pixmaps/splash All the images are named according to the above (the filenames, anyway) and in the following tar.gz: https://fedoraproject.org/w/uploads/a/a9/Fedora-logos-artwork_solar.tar.gz I also noticed these files in the fedora-logos package that should probably be deleted: 1 - /usr/share/firstboot/themes/fedora-waves/firstboot-header.png 2 - /usr/share/firstboot/themes/fedora-waves/shadowman-round-48.png 3 - /usr/share/pixmaps/redhat/shadowman-round-48.png One note is that the anaconda and syslinux images haven't been tested... ~m From duffy at fedoraproject.org Thu Oct 16 15:27:55 2008 From: duffy at fedoraproject.org (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?M=E1ir=EDn_Duffy?=) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2008 11:27:55 -0400 Subject: Fedora Remix mark In-Reply-To: <64b33fc70810160449l7d49913w86cc4876c2721a27@mail.gmail.com> References: <1223567677.13014.57.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1224097365.4122.48.camel@luminos.localdomain> <1224100232.22899.81.camel@victoria-eth.internal.frields.org> <48F65DB2.8080209@fedoraproject.org> <48F6EF9A.4010201@nicubunu.ro> <64b33fc70810160449l7d49913w86cc4876c2721a27@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <48F75D7B.1030807@fedoraproject.org> Hi Jayme! Jayme Ayres wrote: > I like the proposal of Mo and Nicu, but I think the corners are very > rounded, my preference in this design is further soften the corners with the > closing tipography Fedora. I still really like the very rounded corners Nicu did. They match the curves of the d, o, and a in Fedora. The letters 'r' and 'x' may need a bit more breathing room where they hit the edge of the rounded box but somehow it seems to match the fedora feel more than the more boxy corners to me. > As the color palette: I thought the colors chosen have a very pastel shade > (the weather reminds me of the northern hemisphere, despite never having > gone over there ... lol), and as I am Brazilian and I enjoy contrasting > colors and a little warmer. I have published a new palette with my proposal > and I hope you like it. I really like your palette. It takes the colors that Nicu picked from Agave but makes them a bit brighter. Can you upload the SVG of your palette? It looks like the file is missing (https://fedoraproject.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Upload&wpDestFile=Ffedora_remix_jayme-colors.svg) I would like to see the rounded logo done up with all these colors to make sure they don't make the 'remix' text too hard to read. If they don't that's what I recommend we go with. Does that sound reasonable? ~m From stickster at gmail.com Thu Oct 16 14:50:44 2008 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2008 14:50:44 +0000 Subject: Fifth draft for F10 sleeves In-Reply-To: References: <91B97DDD-601E-4683-B83F-BCB4C532A078@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1224168644.19681.80.camel@victoria-eth> On Thu, 2008-10-16 at 10:26 -0400, Jon Stanley wrote: > On Tue, Oct 14, 2008 at 7:17 PM, Jarod Wen wrote: > > > http://www.ccs.neu.edu/home/jarodwen/Fedora/10/sleeve_arts/sleeve_arts.html > > I really like these, however, I'd also like to drive any potential > contributors to join.fedoraproject.org on the back of the sleeve. I > think that we did that with F9 to great effect. Comments, criticisms > or flames? :) Good catch, Jon. That should remain on the sleeve too. Perhaps we need a special section on the general Artwork media wiki page that outlines the "must-haves" for sleeve designs? It should include: * http://join.fedoraproject.org * Copyright notice * Proper logo usage -- Paul W. Frields gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://paul.frields.org/ - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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It should include: > > * http://join.fedoraproject.org > * Copyright notice > * Proper logo usage We have this page: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/CDArt -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From stickster at gmail.com Thu Oct 16 16:54:12 2008 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2008 12:54:12 -0400 Subject: Fifth draft for F10 sleeves In-Reply-To: <48F75820.9050606@nicubunu.ro> References: <91B97DDD-601E-4683-B83F-BCB4C532A078@gmail.com> <48F75820.9050606@nicubunu.ro> Message-ID: <1224176052.17377.3.camel@victoria-eth> On Thu, 2008-10-16 at 18:05 +0300, Nicu Buculei wrote: > Jon Stanley wrote: > > On Tue, Oct 14, 2008 at 7:17 PM, Jarod Wen wrote: > > > >> http://www.ccs.neu.edu/home/jarodwen/Fedora/10/sleeve_arts/sleeve_arts.html > > > > I really like these, however, I'd also like to drive any potential > > contributors to join.fedoraproject.org on the back of the sleeve. I > > think that we did that with F9 to great effect. Comments, criticisms > > or flames? :) > > No flame, but I think we should have only *one* URL in such big letters, > be it either fp.o or fp.o/join-fedora (we can have the other in small > letters, but fewer people will look at it) The big link on the sleeve should be join.fedoraproject.org -- just like on the F9 discs. In the instructions where there's a smaller font in use, it's OK to use help.fedoraproject.org I think. -- Paul W. Frields gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://paul.frields.org/ - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From ghanchi2000 at gmail.com Thu Oct 16 16:56:46 2008 From: ghanchi2000 at gmail.com (SAM) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2008 21:56:46 +0500 Subject: Fedora-art-list Digest, Vol 31, Issue 35 In-Reply-To: <20081015195058.0682B61A27B@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20081015195058.0682B61A27B@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <2ac36fc50810160956ta9c553n44da08680e74b404@mail.gmail.com> Hii, this is Abdul Samad Ghanchi, I am from Pakistan, and interested in ART and got command on PHOTOSHOP, Hope i contribute my best for FEDORA... Regards gHanchi2oOo On Thu, Oct 16, 2008 at 12:50 AM, wrote: > Send Fedora-art-list mailing list submissions to > fedora-art-list at redhat.com > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > fedora-art-list-request at redhat.com > > You can reach the person managing the list at > fedora-art-list-owner at redhat.com > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Fedora-art-list digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Becoming a contributor (Alec Moon) > 2. Re: Echo Icon Theme in F10? (Martin Sourada) > 3. Re: Fedora Remix mark (Paul W. Frields) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 13:49:11 -0500 > From: "Alec Moon" > Subject: Re: Becoming a contributor > To: fedora-art-list at redhat.com > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Actually, because of the incompleteness of the list, I wasn't completely > sure which projects were still open. I was interested in the Fedora USB > distrobution Kit, though, as it looked like nobody has been working on it. > > On Wed, Oct 15, 2008 at 11:00 AM, >wrote: > > > Send Fedora-art-list mailing list submissions to > > fedora-art-list at redhat.com > > > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list > > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > > fedora-art-list-request at redhat.com > > > > You can reach the person managing the list at > > fedora-art-list-owner at redhat.com > > > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > > than "Re: Contents of Fedora-art-list digest..." > > > > > > Today's Topics: > > > > 1. Re: Fedora 10 promo video (draft) (Nicu Buculei) > > 2. F10 artwork questions (Bill Nottingham) > > 3. Re: Becoming a contributor (Nicu Buculei) > > 4. Re: F10 artwork questions (Nicu Buculei) > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > Message: 1 > > Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 14:50:39 +0300 > > From: Nicu Buculei > > Subject: Re: Fedora 10 promo video (draft) > > To: Fedora Art List > > Message-ID: <48F5D90F.4010706 at nicubunu.ro> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed > > > > Paul W. Frields wrote: > > > On Wed, 2008-10-15 at 09:17 +0300, Nicu Buculei wrote: > > >> I also think it's very hard to make a "short" list with features to > > outline > > > > > > We have made such a list in Marketing already: > > > > > > https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-marketing-list/2008-September/msg00183.html > > > > I know about that list... it was my indirect way of pointing that a new > > desktop theme is a *minor* feature (even if it is the most talked part > > in reviews). > > > > > Hmm. Do we require simply FOSS-made materials, or specifically > > > Fedora-made materials? > > > > Well, if we don't allow software from rpmfusion then we are SOL, no > > videos beyond screen captures made with Istanbul or recorded from webcam > > with Cheese. > > > > Effectively not even "I am Fedora" - > > http://s6.video2.blip.tv/0570000043336/Mairin-IAmFedora740.ogg > > > > -- > > nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com > > Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ > > Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org > > my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Message: 2 > > Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 11:19:07 -0400 > > From: Bill Nottingham > > Subject: F10 artwork questions > > To: fedora-art-list at redhat.com > > Message-ID: <20081015151907.GH1773 at nostromo.devel.redhat.com> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > > > Some general questions: > > > > When is it going to land for integration and review? Time is ticking... > > (Also, is it known late this release, and scheduled to be earlier > > in future releases?) > > > > The poster on http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/F10Themes/Solar - > > it doesn't appear to be valid English, certainly not in the header. > > And I'm not sure what "an all branded new way of technology" is. > > > > Finally, not to start too much controversy - is there a reason the > > *final* theme voting is Art-only? > > > > Bill > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Message: 3 > > Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 18:23:32 +0300 > > From: Nicu Buculei > > Subject: Re: Becoming a contributor > > To: Fedora Art List > > Message-ID: <48F60AF4.8000107 at nicubunu.ro> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed > > > > Alec Moon wrote: > > > I have had some experience working with Photoshop, starting at verson > 6, > > > all the way to CS 3. I'm also experienced with GIMP. I like to do > > > projects with a clear goal. I like abstract art more than realism. I'm > > > very open to any sort of project. > > > > Hi Alec, > > > > Do you find something interesting in our open requests queue? > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/DesignService > > > > Note: our preferred applications are GIMP and Inkscape and a definite > > must is file formats which can be opened with FOSS tools (GIMP and > > Inkscape). > > > > -- > > nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com > > Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ > > Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org > > my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Message: 4 > > Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 18:38:53 +0300 > > From: Nicu Buculei > > Subject: Re: F10 artwork questions > > To: Fedora Art List > > Message-ID: <48F60E8D.5030006 at nicubunu.ro> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed > > > > Bill Nottingham wrote: > > > Some general questions: > > > > > > When is it going to land for integration and review? Time is ticking... > > > (Also, is it known late this release, and scheduled to be earlier > > > in future releases?) > > > > As I understand, the final Solar images received OK and are ready for > > packaging. I am not familiar with the process of going from wiki to > > package. > > > > > The poster on http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/F10Themes/Solar - > > > it doesn't appear to be valid English, certainly not in the header. > > > And I'm not sure what "an all branded new way of technology" is. > > > > The post is not part of the release and should not be a blocker for > > packaging (and I agree with you, its wording can be improved - we don't > > have a better text from marketing). > > > > > Finally, not to start too much controversy - is there a reason the > > > *final* theme voting is Art-only? > > > > It may not be the best link but > > http://mihmo.livejournal.com/62031.html?thread=331343#t331343 > > > > We were not supposed to have a vote but decide the final theme by > > consensus, only that for this release a consensus was not reached so we > > had to use an internal vote. > > > > -- > > nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com > > Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ > > Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org > > my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Fedora-art-list mailing list > > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list > > > > > > End of Fedora-art-list Digest, Vol 31, Issue 33 > > *********************************************** > > > > > > -- > The glass just broke all over my kitchen floor! > That, my friends, is why Harley-Davidson motorcycles taste bad. > > -Alec- > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-art-list/attachments/20081015/d85b1e05/attachment.html > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 21:07:09 +0200 > From: Martin Sourada > Subject: Re: Echo Icon Theme in F10? > To: Fedora Art List > Cc: Discussions about development for the Fedora desktop > > Message-ID: <1224097629.2820.33.camel at pc-notebook> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > First of all, thanks for the review, it pretty much outlines the issues > I feel uneasy about as well. First, most of these issues are caused by > SVG icon being scaled down (sometimes for a reason unknown to me and > sometimes because of missing appropriate size variant). So I skip these, > because we need to just finish other size and adjust them a little to > keep them in sync with other icons. I seriously doubt we'll fix those in > time for F10. > > Now, for the rest. > > The delete icon - yes, it looks different and I proposed we change it to > something other. The discussion was postponed for after F10 release. > > The close icon on tabs - yes, it is chopped off and I don't understand > why. It has correct size and the icon itself isn't chopped off, but in > *some* applications it looks this way :-/ > > The door icon - the doors are slightly opened, perhaps too little, and > behind there is a black space. The two pixel width outline is because > both door and the door-hole has it's own outline. I agree, it might need > improvement. > > System->Administration - yep, it probably needs rework to better fit > with the style. > > Shut Down - dunno if you remember, but at the time it was being created > there were a lot of submission and for some reason we chose this on. But > even after a half a year (IIRC) of seeing it everyday it looks a bit > weird me. > > Network - yep, an old style one. We need to use the new styled monitors > for these... > > Palm - agreed > > Volume - I accepted it back when we were creating it, but it seems to me > it actually uses different perspective from other icons... > > Firefox, Thunderbird, OpenOffice = pain, while firefox being the best... > Basically the toolbar icons are pretty much themable in firefox, > thunderbird needs theme, openoffice needs theme. Not a decent citizens. > Seeing that our mail client of choice is Evolution though, which works > good with Echo, I'd guess Thuderbird hasn't the highest priority (and it > does not even fit with the F9 default icon theme). For openoffice we > would probably need to symlink/copy the echo icons into echo icon theme > for openoffice... I don't know, how they handle it. > > I'd very much like to hear Luya's opinion, but I don't feel like > supporting Echo for F10 as default much longer... > > Martin > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: not available > Type: application/pgp-signature > Size: 197 bytes > Desc: This is a digitally signed message part > Url : > https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-art-list/attachments/20081015/d445b353/attachment.bin > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 19:50:32 +0000 > From: "Paul W. Frields" > Subject: Re: Fedora Remix mark > To: fedora-advisory-board at redhat.com > Cc: fedora-art-list > Message-ID: > <1224100232.22899.81.camel at victoria-eth.internal.frields.org> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > On Wed, 2008-10-15 at 15:40 -0400, Greg Dekoenigsberg wrote: > > On Wed, 15 Oct 2008, Jesse Keating wrote: > > > > > On Thu, 2008-10-09 at 15:54 +0000, Paul W. Frields wrote: > > >> This is the page where I collected your contributions to a design. > The > > >> time's come for me to refer the design candidates to the Board for > > >> approval. > > > > > > Yay art opinions! > > > > > > So, I strongly dislike what is done to the R of Remix in "13". Maybe > my > > > eyes suck, but it just looks like something went wrong when drawing the > > > R. > > > > > > Overall I think I prefer the rounded 9, although I can't tell much > > > difference between it and all the choices from Jay and Nicu, except for > > > the (mis)spelling of "remix", and well, COLORS! > > > > > > I'd prefer something like 9, with remix spelled correctly, and as many > > > color options as possible. > > > > I don't suppose we could just defer to the Fedora Art team to make a > > decision, since we have set them up to be the authoritative voice on > > precisely these kinds of matters? > > > > I'd rather see Mo/Nicu/et al making the call than Jesse. Not that I > don't > > love Jesse. ;) > > I'm OK with that call. I think the rounded banner definitely works best > in everyone's opinion as being more thematically related to the font > choices. So Artwork team, what do you say? > > -- > Paul W. Frields > gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 > http://paul.frields.org/ - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ > irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: not available > Type: application/pgp-signature > Size: 189 bytes > Desc: This is a digitally signed message part > Url : > https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-art-list/attachments/20081015/5838dca2/attachment.bin > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list > > > End of Fedora-art-list Digest, Vol 31, Issue 35 > *********************************************** > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From stickster at gmail.com Thu Oct 16 17:05:35 2008 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2008 13:05:35 -0400 Subject: The third draft for F10 Solar CD/DVD sleeves In-Reply-To: <718154F7-17A5-4240-89DA-2FC51BE5BE99@gmail.com> References: <20081016144028.9510F8E0294@hormel.redhat.com> <718154F7-17A5-4240-89DA-2FC51BE5BE99@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1224176735.17377.11.camel@victoria-eth> On Thu, 2008-10-16 at 11:07 -0400, Jarod Wen wrote: > > May be a little nitpicky, but what's wrong with calling a machine made > > by Apple (regardless of whether it has a ppc, pcc64, or Intel chip) a > > PC? By every definition (other than Apple's marketing), it is a > > "personal computer" thereby qualifying it as a "PC". > > > Personally, I wish I could see on the sleeve that my mac can use it. > Of course, I admitted that when I was a newbie in Linux, I was rather > confused by the name of i386/586/686... Maybe a simple mark, saying 32- > bit or 64-bit, will be better? Or we just mention the 64-bit CD/DVD > separately but none on CD? That's what I was driving at -- we shouldn't need to point out 32-bit since it won't be helpful to most people who don't know the difference. We can call out 64-bit specifically if desired, for the exact opposite reason. > > I really like these, however, I'd also like to drive any potential > > contributors to join.fedoraproject.org on the back of the sleeve. I > > think that we did that with F9 to great effect. Comments, criticisms > > or flames? :) > > > I noticed that in the final printable sleeves for Fedora 9 > "fedoraproject.org" has been changed to "join.fedoraproject.org". > Maybe it is a good idea to follow this way, isn't it? Yes, see the separate thread on the fifth draft (:-D) for details. The big link should be join.fedoraproject.org. I don't think it's a problem if we have the "help.fedoraproject.org" link contained in the smaller instructions section. We just want to make sure it's *not* as noticeable as join.fp.o. -- Paul W. Frields gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://paul.frields.org/ - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From luya_tfz at thefinalzone.com Thu Oct 16 17:48:31 2008 From: luya_tfz at thefinalzone.com (Luya Tshimbalanga) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2008 13:48:31 -0400 Subject: Echo Icon Theme in F10? In-Reply-To: <20081016144023.GD5834@nostromo.devel.redhat.com> References: <1223917421.2874.29.camel@pc-notebook> <48F6375F.8030903@fedoraproject.org> <20081016144023.GD5834@nostromo.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1224179311.48f77e6fe7244@ssl.mecca.ca> Quoting Bill Nottingham : > M?ir?n Duffy (duffy at fedoraproject.org) said: > > An isometric perspective is used for the > > panel-size icons which will make it nearly impossible to fit > > in with the many upstream application icons that tend to > > follow the gnome-icon-theme and tango guidelines by default > > these days. I think some tough decisions are going to be > > have to made about echo's perspective and how it affects its > > fitting in with other icon sets, which is going to be > > inevitable. > > Regarding this, we also have bluecurve icons still which are also > an isometric perspective, but a different one from Echo. > > For Echo replacing these seems to be a ToDo later item > (https://fedorahosted.org/echo-icon-theme/wiki/ToDo/GnomeMenus); if > we stick with Mist, do we intend to fix these there? > > Currently, the bluecurve icons that people see are: > - the OpenOffice app start icons > - Desktop Effects > - the anaconda pixmaps/icons > Also system-config* that contains Bluecurve icons. -- Luya Tshimbalanga Fedora Project contributor http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/LuyaTshimbalanga From jarodwen at gmail.com Thu Oct 16 18:31:02 2008 From: jarodwen at gmail.com (Jarod Wen) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2008 14:31:02 -0400 Subject: Fifth draft for F10 sleeves In-Reply-To: <20081016165712.4D441619D45@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20081016165712.4D441619D45@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <41B9FA7D-30FC-4E48-BA35-9DF8E8B524B4@gmail.com> Now the drafts are updated with "join.fedoraproject.org". So, "enjoin"! On Oct 16, 2008, at 12:57 PM, fedora-art-list-request at redhat.com wrote: > The big link on the sleeve should be join.fedoraproject.org -- just > like > on the F9 discs. In the instructions where there's a smaller font in > use, it's OK to use help.fedoraproject.org I think. ------ Jarod Wen jarodwen at gmail.com From jayme at jaymeayres.com Thu Oct 16 18:33:47 2008 From: jayme at jaymeayres.com (Jayme Ayres) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2008 16:33:47 -0200 Subject: Fedora Remix mark In-Reply-To: <48F75D7B.1030807@fedoraproject.org> References: <1223567677.13014.57.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1224097365.4122.48.camel@luminos.localdomain> <1224100232.22899.81.camel@victoria-eth.internal.frields.org> <48F65DB2.8080209@fedoraproject.org> <48F6EF9A.4010201@nicubunu.ro> <64b33fc70810160449l7d49913w86cc4876c2721a27@mail.gmail.com> <48F75D7B.1030807@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <64b33fc70810161133p4504feb9k127d6ca67a561680@mail.gmail.com> 2008/10/16 M?ir?n Duffy > Hi Jayme! > > Jayme Ayres wrote: > > I like the proposal of Mo and Nicu, but I think the corners are very > > rounded, my preference in this design is further soften the corners with > the > > closing tipography Fedora. > > I still really like the very rounded corners Nicu did. They > match the curves of the d, o, and a in Fedora. I understand that the rounded corner is compatible with the typography of Fedora, but thinking about the composition of the image, rounded corners less fit better in tune. > The letters > 'r' and 'x' may need a bit more breathing room where they > hit the edge of the rounded box but somehow it seems to > match the fedora feel more than the more boxy corners to me. I agree that the letters "r" and "x" are not well distributed and I think that '! " demonstrates very well the idea of "Remix" is a concept.. > > As the color palette: I thought the colors chosen have a very pastel > shade > > (the weather reminds me of the northern hemisphere, despite never having > > gone over there ... lol), and as I am Brazilian and I enjoy contrasting > > colors and a little warmer. I have published a new palette with my > proposal > > and I hope you like it. > > > I really like your palette. It takes the colors that Nicu > picked from Agave but makes them a bit brighter. Updated. Forgive me, I put an "F" at the file name, so that the link was broken. > > Can you upload the SVG of your palette? It looks like the > file is missing > ( > https://fedoraproject.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Upload&wpDestFile=Ffedora_remix_jayme-colors.svg > ) > I would like to see the rounded logo done up with all these > colors to make sure they don't make the 'remix' text too > hard to read. If they don't that's what I recommend we go > with. Does that sound reasonable? > > ~m > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list > -- Jayme Ayres www.jaymeayres.com www.projetofedora.org http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/JaymeAyres -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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They >> match the curves of the d, o, and a in Fedora. > > I understand that the rounded corner is compatible with the typography of > Fedora, but thinking about the composition of the image, rounded corners > less fit better in tune. I just don't agree with that. Maybe it will seem better when the r and x are giving more padding? > Updated. Forgive me, I put an "F" at the file name, so that the link was > broken. cool thanks ~m From jayme at jaymeayres.com Thu Oct 16 19:05:34 2008 From: jayme at jaymeayres.com (Jayme Ayres) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2008 17:05:34 -0200 Subject: Fedora Remix mark In-Reply-To: <48F78ADE.9050901@fedoraproject.org> References: <1223567677.13014.57.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1224097365.4122.48.camel@luminos.localdomain> <1224100232.22899.81.camel@victoria-eth.internal.frields.org> <48F65DB2.8080209@fedoraproject.org> <48F6EF9A.4010201@nicubunu.ro> <64b33fc70810160449l7d49913w86cc4876c2721a27@mail.gmail.com> <48F75D7B.1030807@fedoraproject.org> <64b33fc70810161133p4504feb9k127d6ca67a561680@mail.gmail.com> <48F78ADE.9050901@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <64b33fc70810161205g5863a109we6b1245f1d31e96f@mail.gmail.com> 2008/10/16 M?ir?n Duffy > Jayme Ayres wrote: > > 2008/10/16 M?ir?n Duffy > >> Jayme Ayres wrote: > >>> I like the proposal of Mo and Nicu, but I think the corners are very > >>> rounded, my preference in this design is further soften the corners > with > >> the > >>> closing tipography Fedora. > >> I still really like the very rounded corners Nicu did. They > >> match the curves of the d, o, and a in Fedora. > > > > I understand that the rounded corner is compatible with the typography of > > Fedora, but thinking about the composition of the image, rounded corners > > less fit better in tune. > > I just don't agree with that. Maybe it will seem better when > the r and x are giving more padding? See this example. > > > > Updated. Forgive me, I put an "F" at the file name, so that the link was > > broken. > > cool thanks > > ~m > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list > -- Jayme Ayres www.jaymeayres.com www.projetofedora.org http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/JaymeAyres -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Because of FeSCO request to address issues described from BaseSet[2], ToDo was put on hold. Regarding icons using different perspective, it is much worse for any theme especially when new applications do not have icons that follow either guideline (Blender, KOffice, xsane, about-me, gFTP, etc.) . Luya -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 259 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From luya at fedoraproject.org Thu Oct 16 19:10:48 2008 From: luya at fedoraproject.org (Luya Tshimbalanga) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2008 12:10:48 -0700 Subject: [Echo] Addressing ticket #25 with revamped keyboard + shortcut variant Message-ID: <48F791B8.5080505@fedoraproject.org> Addressing bug #25 [1] from Echo website, preferences-desktop-keyboard and input-keyboard ha been redesigned. After reading Mo's critic about Echo, I noticed input-keyboard from System-> Preferences->Hardware ->Keyboard has a wrong icon (Green e button) and should use the plain keyboard. Without delay, here is these icons Luya References --------------- [1] https://fedorahosted.org/echo-icon-theme/ticket/25 http://luya.fedorapeople.org/echo/applications/ -- -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: preferences-desktop-keyboard.png Type: image/png Size: 51856 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 259 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From duffy at fedoraproject.org Thu Oct 16 19:21:58 2008 From: duffy at fedoraproject.org (=?UTF-8?B?TcOhaXLDrW4gRHVmZnk=?=) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2008 15:21:58 -0400 Subject: [Echo] Addressing ticket #25 with revamped keyboard + shortcut variant In-Reply-To: <48F791B8.5080505@fedoraproject.org> References: <48F791B8.5080505@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <48F79456.10806@fedoraproject.org> Luya Tshimbalanga wrote: > Addressing bug #25 [1] from Echo website, preferences-desktop-keyboard > and input-keyboard ha been redesigned. After reading Mo's critic about > Echo, I noticed input-keyboard from System-> Preferences->Hardware > ->Keyboard has a wrong icon (Green e button) and should use the plain > keyboard. > Without delay, here is these icons the 16x16 icon has muddy icons and looks blurry. I would try again to align it to the pixel grid. The next larger one (22x22?) suffers the same muddiness of outlines. I think a flat perspective would be more appropriate, or maybe removing some of the keys. The next largest icon (32x32?) has some aliasing/awkwardness inbetween the ec and ho rows. i would suggest collapsing the border into one clear line. Overall the key caps aren't really deep enough to look like keys. They look like lettered white gum chiclets to me. ~m From duffy at fedoraproject.org Thu Oct 16 19:25:58 2008 From: duffy at fedoraproject.org (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?M=E1ir=EDn_Duffy?=) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2008 15:25:58 -0400 Subject: Echo Icon Theme in F10? In-Reply-To: <48F7914D.4000400@fedoraproject.org> References: <1223917421.2874.29.camel@pc-notebook> <48F6375F.8030903@fedoraproject.org> <20081016144023.GD5834@nostromo.devel.redhat.com> <48F7914D.4000400@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <48F79546.7090205@fedoraproject.org> Luya Tshimbalanga wrote: > Regarding icons using different perspective, it is much worse for any > theme especially when new applications do not have icons that follow > either guideline (Blender, KOffice, xsane, about-me, gFTP, etc.) . I'm not quite groking this sentence. But at least for what seems the majority of upstream GNOME apps these days, their icons are based on the gnome-icon-theme/tango standards which are flat or on the table perspectives. In the case of third party apps like blender, firefox, thunderbird, etc, the majority of these icons tend to again be a flat perspective. That an icon follows an isometric perspective also doesn't mean it will follow the same isometric perspective as Echo. Echo on my desktop faces away from me. Bluecurve is a bit friendlier because it faces towards me. The two together, while both isometric, do not match well at all wrt perspective. Again, I believe the isometric perspective, at least for the 22x22 and 24x24 icons of echo has proven to be a very poor choice in terms of cleanness/crispness, clarity, and alignment to the pixel grid, issues of integrating with other icons aside. ~m From duffy at fedoraproject.org Thu Oct 16 19:49:21 2008 From: duffy at fedoraproject.org (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?M=E1ir=EDn_Duffy?=) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2008 15:49:21 -0400 Subject: Fedora Remix mark In-Reply-To: <64b33fc70810161205g5863a109we6b1245f1d31e96f@mail.gmail.com> References: <1223567677.13014.57.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1224097365.4122.48.camel@luminos.localdomain> <1224100232.22899.81.camel@victoria-eth.internal.frields.org> <48F65DB2.8080209@fedoraproject.org> <48F6EF9A.4010201@nicubunu.ro> <64b33fc70810160449l7d49913w86cc4876c2721a27@mail.gmail.com> <48F75D7B.1030807@fedoraproject.org> <64b33fc70810161133p4504feb9k127d6ca67a561680@mail.gmail.com> <48F78ADE.9050901@fedoraproject.org> <64b33fc70810161205g5863a109we6b1245f1d31e96f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <48F79AC1.9030800@fedoraproject.org> Jayme Ayres wrote: > 2008/10/16 M?ir?n Duffy > >> Jayme Ayres wrote: >>> 2008/10/16 M?ir?n Duffy >>>> Jayme Ayres wrote: >>>>> I like the proposal of Mo and Nicu, but I think the corners are very >>>>> rounded, my preference in this design is further soften the corners >> with >>>> the >>>>> closing tipography Fedora. >>>> I still really like the very rounded corners Nicu did. They >>>> match the curves of the d, o, and a in Fedora. >>> I understand that the rounded corner is compatible with the typography of >>> Fedora, but thinking about the composition of the image, rounded corners >>> less fit better in tune. >> I just don't agree with that. Maybe it will seem better when >> the r and x are giving more padding? > > > See this example. I just don't like the squared corners. They don't seem to fit with the logo at all. ~m From jayme at jaymeayres.com Thu Oct 16 20:18:09 2008 From: jayme at jaymeayres.com (Jayme Ayres) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2008 18:18:09 -0200 Subject: Fedora Remix mark In-Reply-To: <48F79AC1.9030800@fedoraproject.org> References: <1223567677.13014.57.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1224100232.22899.81.camel@victoria-eth.internal.frields.org> <48F65DB2.8080209@fedoraproject.org> <48F6EF9A.4010201@nicubunu.ro> <64b33fc70810160449l7d49913w86cc4876c2721a27@mail.gmail.com> <48F75D7B.1030807@fedoraproject.org> <64b33fc70810161133p4504feb9k127d6ca67a561680@mail.gmail.com> <48F78ADE.9050901@fedoraproject.org> <64b33fc70810161205g5863a109we6b1245f1d31e96f@mail.gmail.com> <48F79AC1.9030800@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <64b33fc70810161318p678a6e42n9294b45b20a9e75a@mail.gmail.com> 2008/10/16 M?ir?n Duffy > Jayme Ayres wrote: > > 2008/10/16 M?ir?n Duffy > > > >> Jayme Ayres wrote: > >>> 2008/10/16 M?ir?n Duffy > >>>> Jayme Ayres wrote: > >>>>> I like the proposal of Mo and Nicu, but I think the corners are very > >>>>> rounded, my preference in this design is further soften the corners > >> with > >>>> the > >>>>> closing tipography Fedora. > >>>> I still really like the very rounded corners Nicu did. They > >>>> match the curves of the d, o, and a in Fedora. > >>> I understand that the rounded corner is compatible with the typography > of > >>> Fedora, but thinking about the composition of the image, rounded > corners > >>> less fit better in tune. > >> I just don't agree with that. Maybe it will seem better when > >> the r and x are giving more padding? > > > > > > See this example. > > I just don't like the squared corners. They don't seem to > fit with the logo at all. ok... If you just don?t like that I can?t change your opinion with :-( Cheers =) > > > ~m > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list > -- Jayme Ayres www.jaymeayres.com www.projetofedora.org http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/JaymeAyres -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From herlo1 at gmail.com Thu Oct 16 20:39:16 2008 From: herlo1 at gmail.com (Clint Savage) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2008 14:39:16 -0600 Subject: Fedora Remix mark In-Reply-To: <64b33fc70810161318p678a6e42n9294b45b20a9e75a@mail.gmail.com> References: <1223567677.13014.57.camel@localhost.localdomain> <48F65DB2.8080209@fedoraproject.org> <48F6EF9A.4010201@nicubunu.ro> <64b33fc70810160449l7d49913w86cc4876c2721a27@mail.gmail.com> <48F75D7B.1030807@fedoraproject.org> <64b33fc70810161133p4504feb9k127d6ca67a561680@mail.gmail.com> <48F78ADE.9050901@fedoraproject.org> <64b33fc70810161205g5863a109we6b1245f1d31e96f@mail.gmail.com> <48F79AC1.9030800@fedoraproject.org> <64b33fc70810161318p678a6e42n9294b45b20a9e75a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: 2008/10/16 Jayme Ayres : > > > 2008/10/16 M?ir?n Duffy >> >> Jayme Ayres wrote: >> > 2008/10/16 M?ir?n Duffy >> > >> >> Jayme Ayres wrote: >> >>> 2008/10/16 M?ir?n Duffy >> >>>> Jayme Ayres wrote: >> >>>>> I like the proposal of Mo and Nicu, but I think the corners are very >> >>>>> rounded, my preference in this design is further soften the corners >> >> with >> >>>> the >> >>>>> closing tipography Fedora. >> >>>> I still really like the very rounded corners Nicu did. They >> >>>> match the curves of the d, o, and a in Fedora. >> >>> I understand that the rounded corner is compatible with the typography >> >>> of >> >>> Fedora, but thinking about the composition of the image, rounded >> >>> corners >> >>> less fit better in tune. >> >> I just don't agree with that. Maybe it will seem better when >> >> the r and x are giving more padding? >> > >> > >> > See this example. >> >> I just don't like the squared corners. They don't seem to >> fit with the logo at all. > > ok... > If you just don?t like that I can?t change your opinion with :-( > > Cheers > =) > >> >> ~m I think the squared corners look better than the rounded ones. I guess its the spacing between the r and x and the edge of the ovals, but I don't think those are as nice. Maybe both Remix logos could work? Just my $.02 The color pallette is awesome btw, I love it. From stickster at gmail.com Thu Oct 16 20:54:38 2008 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2008 16:54:38 -0400 Subject: Fedora Remix mark In-Reply-To: <48F79AC1.9030800@fedoraproject.org> References: <1223567677.13014.57.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1224097365.4122.48.camel@luminos.localdomain> <1224100232.22899.81.camel@victoria-eth.internal.frields.org> <48F65DB2.8080209@fedoraproject.org> <48F6EF9A.4010201@nicubunu.ro> <64b33fc70810160449l7d49913w86cc4876c2721a27@mail.gmail.com> <48F75D7B.1030807@fedoraproject.org> <64b33fc70810161133p4504feb9k127d6ca67a561680@mail.gmail.com> <48F78ADE.9050901@fedoraproject.org> <64b33fc70810161205g5863a109we6b1245f1d31e96f@mail.gmail.com> <48F79AC1.9030800@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <1224190478.17377.82.camel@victoria-eth> On Thu, 2008-10-16 at 15:49 -0400, M?ir?n Duffy wrote: > Jayme Ayres wrote: > > 2008/10/16 M?ir?n Duffy > > > >> Jayme Ayres wrote: > >>> 2008/10/16 M?ir?n Duffy > >>>> Jayme Ayres wrote: > >>>>> I like the proposal of Mo and Nicu, but I think the corners are very > >>>>> rounded, my preference in this design is further soften the corners > >> with > >>>> the > >>>>> closing tipography Fedora. > >>>> I still really like the very rounded corners Nicu did. They > >>>> match the curves of the d, o, and a in Fedora. > >>> I understand that the rounded corner is compatible with the typography of > >>> Fedora, but thinking about the composition of the image, rounded corners > >>> less fit better in tune. > >> I just don't agree with that. Maybe it will seem better when > >> the r and x are giving more padding? > > > > > > See this example. > > I just don't like the squared corners. They don't seem to > fit with the logo at all. I think rounded is a much more unifying design; it fits not just with the Fedora logo font but also the MgOpen Modata font design too, and seems thematically joined with the Infinity logo and many of our other collateral designs like the FUDCon logo. I also know that while I was originally a proponent of the use of an exclamation mark '!' in the word "remix" to provide more cowbell, my discussions with legal folks since then indicates that might not be a wise move. If people start writing "Fedora Rem!x" in general text as opposed to "Fedora Remix," there's the risk of brand erosion. Using the "remix" word without the exclamation mark doesn't involve that risk, so as much as I hate to stick my nose in here, we may have to put the kibosh on that particular design detail. :-\ Sorry I introduced that concept into the mix -- sometimes my idle ideating is too much too soon! -- Paul W. Frields gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://paul.frields.org/ - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Your wish is my command :p https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Image:Fedora_secondary_logo_drafts_nicubunu_color2.png -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From luya at fedoraproject.org Fri Oct 17 09:54:05 2008 From: luya at fedoraproject.org (Luya Tshimbalanga) Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2008 02:54:05 -0700 Subject: [Echo] Addressing ticket #25 with revamped keyboard + shortcut variant In-Reply-To: <48F79456.10806@fedoraproject.org> References: <48F791B8.5080505@fedoraproject.org> <48F79456.10806@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <48F860BD.4050202@fedoraproject.org> M?ir?n Duffy a ?crit : > Luya Tshimbalanga wrote: > > the 16x16 icon has muddy icons and looks blurry. I would try > again to align it to the pixel grid. > > The next larger one (22x22?) suffers the same muddiness of > outlines. I think a flat perspective would be more > appropriate, or maybe removing some of the keys. > > The next largest icon (32x32?) has some aliasing/awkwardness > inbetween the ec and ho rows. i would suggest collapsing the > border into one clear line. > > Overall the key caps aren't really deep enough to look like > keys. They look like lettered white gum chiclets to me. > > Some calculators have similar keyboard. Added depth adn alignment to the grid should be fixed. Luya References: ---------------- http://luya.fedorapeople.org/echo/applications/ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: preferences-desktop-keyboard.png Type: image/png Size: 44042 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I'd suggest to bring the keys closer, or even join them together in the smallest sizes. The 16x16 really does not look at all like keyboard. You could perhaps try classical approach - whole keyboard, with key labels only on the 256x256 version. The shape is pretty easy to recognise even at small sizes and details are not much necessary there, you just need to make it look like keyboard ;-) You might even reuse (with slight edits, more detailed 256x256 version and different oriented 16x16 version - top look on the keyboard) the keyboard from the computer icon. The a-few-keys approach might on the other side work good for input method or shortcuts, but I'd make the keys more computer/laptop-keyboard-like and perhaps even omit the text, which is unreadable at small sizes. Just for the record, in rawhide correct icon is used already (preferences-desktop-keyboard). Martin -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Create a new message with a proper subject or at least shange the subject if you use "reply". -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From jayme at jaymeayres.com Fri Oct 17 13:11:47 2008 From: jayme at jaymeayres.com (Jayme Ayres) Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2008 11:11:47 -0200 Subject: Fedora Remix mark In-Reply-To: <1224190478.17377.82.camel@victoria-eth> References: <1223567677.13014.57.camel@localhost.localdomain> <48F65DB2.8080209@fedoraproject.org> <48F6EF9A.4010201@nicubunu.ro> <64b33fc70810160449l7d49913w86cc4876c2721a27@mail.gmail.com> <48F75D7B.1030807@fedoraproject.org> <64b33fc70810161133p4504feb9k127d6ca67a561680@mail.gmail.com> <48F78ADE.9050901@fedoraproject.org> <64b33fc70810161205g5863a109we6b1245f1d31e96f@mail.gmail.com> <48F79AC1.9030800@fedoraproject.org> <1224190478.17377.82.camel@victoria-eth> Message-ID: <64b33fc70810170611m596a2da4m766fbd92153c60f2@mail.gmail.com> 2008/10/16 Paul W. Frields > On Thu, 2008-10-16 at 15:49 -0400, M?ir?n Duffy wrote: > > Jayme Ayres wrote: > > > 2008/10/16 M?ir?n Duffy > > > > > >> Jayme Ayres wrote: > > >>> 2008/10/16 M?ir?n Duffy > > >>>> Jayme Ayres wrote: > > >>>>> I like the proposal of Mo and Nicu, but I think the corners are > very > > >>>>> rounded, my preference in this design is further soften the corners > > >> with > > >>>> the > > >>>>> closing tipography Fedora. > > >>>> I still really like the very rounded corners Nicu did. They > > >>>> match the curves of the d, o, and a in Fedora. > > >>> I understand that the rounded corner is compatible with the > typography of > > >>> Fedora, but thinking about the composition of the image, rounded > corners > > >>> less fit better in tune. > > >> I just don't agree with that. Maybe it will seem better when > > >> the r and x are giving more padding? > > > > > > > > > See this example. > > > > I just don't like the squared corners. They don't seem to > > fit with the logo at all. > > I think rounded is a much more unifying design; it fits not just with > the Fedora logo font but also the MgOpen Modata font design too, and > seems thematically joined with the Infinity logo and many of our other > collateral designs like the FUDCon logo. If you liked this composition, okay. > > > I also know that while I was originally a proponent of the use of an > exclamation mark '!' in the word "remix" to provide more cowbell, my > discussions with legal folks since then indicates that might not be a > wise move. If people start writing "Fedora Rem!x" in general text as > opposed to "Fedora Remix," there's the risk of brand erosion. Using the > "remix" word without the exclamation mark doesn't involve that risk, so > as much as I hate to stick my nose in here, we may have to put the > kibosh on that particular design detail. :-\ > I had not thought of that. I turn the letter "i" and rotate in 90 of the letter "x" to pass an idea to change the Spins. > > Sorry I introduced that concept into the mix -- sometimes my idle > ideating is too much too soon! > > -- > Paul W. Frields > gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 > http://paul.frields.org/ - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ > irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list > > -- Jayme Ayres www.jaymeayres.com www.projetofedora.org http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/JaymeAyres -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From stickster at gmail.com Fri Oct 17 14:43:33 2008 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2008 10:43:33 -0400 Subject: Fedora Remix mark In-Reply-To: <48F83D97.4080809@nicubunu.ro> References: <1223567677.13014.57.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1224097365.4122.48.camel@luminos.localdomain> <1224100232.22899.81.camel@victoria-eth.internal.frields.org> <48F65DB2.8080209@fedoraproject.org> <48F6EF9A.4010201@nicubunu.ro> <64b33fc70810160449l7d49913w86cc4876c2721a27@mail.gmail.com> <48F75D7B.1030807@fedoraproject.org> <48F83D97.4080809@nicubunu.ro> Message-ID: <1224254613.24465.18.camel@victoria-eth> On Fri, 2008-10-17 at 10:24 +0300, Nicu Buculei wrote: > M?ir?n Duffy wrote: > > > > I would like to see the rounded logo done up with all these > > colors to make sure they don't make the 'remix' text too > > hard to read. If they don't that's what I recommend we go > > with. Does that sound reasonable? > > Your wish is my command :p > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Image:Fedora_secondary_logo_drafts_nicubunu_color2.png Very nice! -- Paul W. 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Frields wrote: > On Fri, 2008-10-17 at 10:24 +0300, Nicu Buculei wrote: >> M?ir?n Duffy wrote: >>> I would like to see the rounded logo done up with all these >>> colors to make sure they don't make the 'remix' text too >>> hard to read. If they don't that's what I recommend we go >>> with. Does that sound reasonable? >> Your wish is my command :p >> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Image:Fedora_secondary_logo_drafts_nicubunu_color2.png > > Very nice! Way to go! I think these look great. Using this, here's my stab at an initial (albeit sparse) set of guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/w/uploads/2/29/Fedora_secondary_logo_draft_guidelines.png (I changed the blue lozenge to the lighter Fedora blue so it would stand out on dark backgrounds better.) ~m From stickster at gmail.com Fri Oct 17 15:32:35 2008 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2008 15:32:35 +0000 Subject: Fedora Remix mark In-Reply-To: <48F8AB99.3080108@fedoraproject.org> References: <1223567677.13014.57.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1224097365.4122.48.camel@luminos.localdomain> <1224100232.22899.81.camel@victoria-eth.internal.frields.org> <48F65DB2.8080209@fedoraproject.org> <48F6EF9A.4010201@nicubunu.ro> <64b33fc70810160449l7d49913w86cc4876c2721a27@mail.gmail.com> <48F75D7B.1030807@fedoraproject.org> <48F83D97.4080809@nicubunu.ro> <1224254613.24465.18.camel@victoria-eth> <48F8AB99.3080108@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <1224257555.24465.24.camel@victoria-eth> On Fri, 2008-10-17 at 11:13 -0400, M?ir?n Duffy wrote: > Paul W. Frields wrote: > > On Fri, 2008-10-17 at 10:24 +0300, Nicu Buculei wrote: > >> M?ir?n Duffy wrote: > >>> I would like to see the rounded logo done up with all these > >>> colors to make sure they don't make the 'remix' text too > >>> hard to read. If they don't that's what I recommend we go > >>> with. Does that sound reasonable? > >> Your wish is my command :p > >> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Image:Fedora_secondary_logo_drafts_nicubunu_color2.png > > > > Very nice! > > Way to go! I think these look great. > > Using this, here's my stab at an initial (albeit sparse) set > of guidelines: > > https://fedoraproject.org/w/uploads/2/29/Fedora_secondary_logo_draft_guidelines.png > > (I changed the blue lozenge to the lighter Fedora blue so it > would stand out on dark backgrounds better.) Super work! A couple corrections -- * Remixers are permitted to use transparency for filling the "remix" word where desired. Counsel specifically agreed to this. * The "recommended" palette should be marked as "approved" instead -- unfortunately we don't have the option to allow an arbitrary color choice. -- Paul W. 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I believe you put "dark background" at the top for symmetry with the red at the bottom, but I believe the white background/blue logotype will be the most used (and preferred), so is better to have it at the top. -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From duffy at fedoraproject.org Fri Oct 17 15:39:40 2008 From: duffy at fedoraproject.org (=?UTF-8?B?TcOhaXLDrW4gRHVmZnk=?=) Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2008 11:39:40 -0400 Subject: Fedora Remix mark In-Reply-To: <1224257555.24465.24.camel@victoria-eth> References: <1223567677.13014.57.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1224097365.4122.48.camel@luminos.localdomain> <1224100232.22899.81.camel@victoria-eth.internal.frields.org> <48F65DB2.8080209@fedoraproject.org> <48F6EF9A.4010201@nicubunu.ro> <64b33fc70810160449l7d49913w86cc4876c2721a27@mail.gmail.com> <48F75D7B.1030807@fedoraproject.org> <48F83D97.4080809@nicubunu.ro> <1224254613.24465.18.camel@victoria-eth> <48F8AB99.3080108@fedoraproject.org> <1224257555.24465.24.camel@victoria-eth> Message-ID: <48F8B1BC.3060607@fedoraproject.org> Paul W. Frields wrote: > On Fri, 2008-10-17 at 11:13 -0400, M?ir?n Duffy wrote: >> Paul W. Frields wrote: >>> On Fri, 2008-10-17 at 10:24 +0300, Nicu Buculei wrote: >>>> M?ir?n Duffy wrote: >>>>> I would like to see the rounded logo done up with all these >>>>> colors to make sure they don't make the 'remix' text too >>>>> hard to read. If they don't that's what I recommend we go >>>>> with. Does that sound reasonable? >>>> Your wish is my command :p >>>> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Image:Fedora_secondary_logo_drafts_nicubunu_color2.png >>> Very nice! >> Way to go! I think these look great. >> >> Using this, here's my stab at an initial (albeit sparse) set >> of guidelines: >> >> https://fedoraproject.org/w/uploads/2/29/Fedora_secondary_logo_draft_guidelines.png >> >> (I changed the blue lozenge to the lighter Fedora blue so it >> would stand out on dark backgrounds better.) > > Super work! A couple corrections -- > > * Remixers are permitted to use transparency for filling the "remix" > word where desired. Counsel specifically agreed to this. In practice it doesn't actually work that well. For 9 of the 10 background colors I used (the only one it really worked for was black) you could hardly read "remix". > > * The "recommended" palette should be marked as "approved" instead -- > unfortunately we don't have the option to allow an arbitrary color > choice. Oh I thought we had decided on a recommended palette and were able to give folks the option to choose other colors? So it's impossible for them to use osther colors? ~m From stickster at gmail.com Fri Oct 17 16:02:59 2008 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2008 16:02:59 +0000 Subject: Fedora Remix mark In-Reply-To: <48F8B1BC.3060607@fedoraproject.org> References: <1223567677.13014.57.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1224097365.4122.48.camel@luminos.localdomain> <1224100232.22899.81.camel@victoria-eth.internal.frields.org> <48F65DB2.8080209@fedoraproject.org> <48F6EF9A.4010201@nicubunu.ro> <64b33fc70810160449l7d49913w86cc4876c2721a27@mail.gmail.com> <48F75D7B.1030807@fedoraproject.org> <48F83D97.4080809@nicubunu.ro> <1224254613.24465.18.camel@victoria-eth> <48F8AB99.3080108@fedoraproject.org> <1224257555.24465.24.camel@victoria-eth> <48F8B1BC.3060607@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <1224259379.24465.33.camel@victoria-eth> On Fri, 2008-10-17 at 11:39 -0400, M?ir?n Duffy wrote: > Paul W. Frields wrote: > > On Fri, 2008-10-17 at 11:13 -0400, M?ir?n Duffy wrote: > >> Paul W. Frields wrote: > >>> On Fri, 2008-10-17 at 10:24 +0300, Nicu Buculei wrote: > >>>> M?ir?n Duffy wrote: > >>>>> I would like to see the rounded logo done up with all these > >>>>> colors to make sure they don't make the 'remix' text too > >>>>> hard to read. If they don't that's what I recommend we go > >>>>> with. Does that sound reasonable? > >>>> Your wish is my command :p > >>>> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Image:Fedora_secondary_logo_drafts_nicubunu_color2.png > >>> Very nice! > >> Way to go! I think these look great. > >> > >> Using this, here's my stab at an initial (albeit sparse) set > >> of guidelines: > >> > >> https://fedoraproject.org/w/uploads/2/29/Fedora_secondary_logo_draft_guidelines.png > >> > >> (I changed the blue lozenge to the lighter Fedora blue so it > >> would stand out on dark backgrounds better.) > > > > Super work! A couple corrections -- > > > > * Remixers are permitted to use transparency for filling the "remix" > > word where desired. Counsel specifically agreed to this. > > In practice it doesn't actually work that well. For 9 of the > 10 background colors I used (the only one it really worked > for was black) you could hardly read "remix". > > > > * The "recommended" palette should be marked as "approved" instead -- > > unfortunately we don't have the option to allow an arbitrary color > > choice. > > Oh I thought we had decided on a recommended palette and > were able to give folks the option to choose other colors? > So it's impossible for them to use osther colors? Not impossible for the remix lozenge (I LOVE that word!), but they would have to specifically ask. Frankly counsel is not eager to offer additional options, so we're not going to call it out if it's all the same to Artwork. We can handle requests on a case by case basis. The "fedora" word, of course, can only be our approved blue or white for color treatments. We should probably also have treatments for a monochromatic or grayscale situation. -- Paul W. Frields gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://paul.frields.org/ - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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The 16x16 > really does not look at all like keyboard. > Did for preferences-desktop-keyboard-shortcut. > You could perhaps try classical approach - whole keyboard, with key > labels only on the 256x256 version. The shape is pretty easy to > recognise even at small sizes and details are not much necessary there, > you just need to make it look like keyboard ;-) You might even reuse > (with slight edits, more detailed 256x256 version and different oriented > 16x16 version - top look on the keyboard) the keyboard from the computer > icon. > > Using that approach, 32x32 and above looks like. I had to simplified 22x22 and 16x16 for the keyboard. Luya References: ---------------- http://luya.fedorapeople.org/echo/applications/ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Italic version has an odd line of upper right, could you fix that? Otherwise, I have no further comment once the above issue is resolved. Luya -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 259 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From stickster at gmail.com Sat Oct 18 04:23:01 2008 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2008 00:23:01 -0400 Subject: Fedora Remix mark In-Reply-To: <48F8B090.7040400@nicubunu.ro> References: <1223567677.13014.57.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1224097365.4122.48.camel@luminos.localdomain> <1224100232.22899.81.camel@victoria-eth.internal.frields.org> <48F65DB2.8080209@fedoraproject.org> <48F6EF9A.4010201@nicubunu.ro> <64b33fc70810160449l7d49913w86cc4876c2721a27@mail.gmail.com> <48F75D7B.1030807@fedoraproject.org> <48F83D97.4080809@nicubunu.ro> <1224254613.24465.18.camel@victoria-eth> <48F8AB99.3080108@fedoraproject.org> <48F8B090.7040400@nicubunu.ro> Message-ID: <1224303781.28644.4.camel@victoria-eth.internal.frields.org> On Fri, 2008-10-17 at 18:34 +0300, Nicu Buculei wrote: > M?ir?n Duffy wrote: > > > > Using this, here's my stab at an initial (albeit sparse) set > > of guidelines: > > > > https://fedoraproject.org/w/uploads/2/29/Fedora_secondary_logo_draft_guidelines.png > > I like it, +1 > > The only change I can think of is putting the "light background" section > at the top. I believe you put "dark background" at the top for symmetry > with the red at the bottom, but I believe the white background/blue > logotype will be the most used (and preferred), so is better to have it > at the top. I think OLPC is waiting on us for this logo, so if I can get it to them on Saturday, that would be great -- we're trying to make it into their update build so that we can have this logo appear on a million machines in the next year. What's the verdict? -- Paul W. Frields gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://paul.frields.org/ - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Frields wrote: > I think OLPC is waiting on us for this logo, so if I can get it to them > on Saturday, that would be great -- we're trying to make it into their > update build so that we can have this logo appear on a million machines > in the next year. What's the verdict? Is this update sufficient? https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Image:Fedora_secondary_logo_draft_guidelines.png ~m From stickster at gmail.com Sat Oct 18 04:46:19 2008 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2008 00:46:19 -0400 Subject: Fedora Remix mark In-Reply-To: <48F96764.1020208@fedoraproject.org> References: <1223567677.13014.57.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1224097365.4122.48.camel@luminos.localdomain> <1224100232.22899.81.camel@victoria-eth.internal.frields.org> <48F65DB2.8080209@fedoraproject.org> <48F6EF9A.4010201@nicubunu.ro> <64b33fc70810160449l7d49913w86cc4876c2721a27@mail.gmail.com> <48F75D7B.1030807@fedoraproject.org> <48F83D97.4080809@nicubunu.ro> <1224254613.24465.18.camel@victoria-eth> <48F8AB99.3080108@fedoraproject.org> <48F8B090.7040400@nicubunu.ro> <1224303781.28644.4.camel@victoria-eth.internal.frields.org> <48F96764.1020208@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <1224305179.28644.11.camel@victoria-eth.internal.frields.org> On Sat, 2008-10-18 at 00:34 -0400, Mairin Duffy wrote: > Paul W. Frields wrote: > > I think OLPC is waiting on us for this logo, so if I can get it to them > > on Saturday, that would be great -- we're trying to make it into their > > update build so that we can have this logo appear on a million machines > > in the next year. What's the verdict? > > Is this update sufficient? > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Image:Fedora_secondary_logo_draft_guidelines.png SUPERB! I'm going to suggest that OLPC stick with a design in Fedora Blue if possible. -- Paul W. Frields gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://paul.frields.org/ - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Frields wrote: > On Sat, 2008-10-18 at 00:34 -0400, Mairin Duffy wrote: >> Paul W. Frields wrote: >>> I think OLPC is waiting on us for this logo, so if I can get it to them >>> on Saturday, that would be great -- we're trying to make it into their >>> update build so that we can have this logo appear on a million machines >>> in the next year. What's the verdict? >> Is this update sufficient? >> >> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Image:Fedora_secondary_logo_draft_guidelines.png > > SUPERB! > > I'm going to suggest that OLPC stick with a design in Fedora Blue if > possible. Yippee! Yeah, sounds like a good recommend. ~m From martin.sourada at gmail.com Sat Oct 18 08:57:26 2008 From: martin.sourada at gmail.com (Martin Sourada) Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2008 10:57:26 +0200 Subject: [Echo] Addressing ticket #25 with revamped keyboard + shortcut variant In-Reply-To: <48F95F0B.2000801@fedoraproject.org> References: <48F791B8.5080505@fedoraproject.org> <48F79456.10806@fedoraproject.org> <48F860BD.4050202@fedoraproject.org> <1224239188.2925.11.camel@pc-notebook> <48F95F0B.2000801@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <1224320246.12513.14.camel@pc-notebook> On Fri, 2008-10-17 at 20:59 -0700, Luya Tshimbalanga wrote: > Did for preferences-desktop-keyboard-shortcut. The side and top faces are too dark --> outline not visible. I'd made the keys look more computer keyboard like, but these are probably fine as well, if you make the lighting corrections mentioned above. The 32x32 and bellow are blurry. For 32x32 it would be probably sufficient to play with the positioning/sizes to fix this, for 22x22 and bellow, I'd "join" the keys together (i.e. bring them close enough so that the gap between them would be just 1px thick outline). I'd drop the bottom row. > > You could perhaps try classical approach - whole keyboard, with key > > labels only on the 256x256 version. The shape is pretty easy to > > recognise even at small sizes and details are not much necessary there, > > you just need to make it look like keyboard ;-) You might even reuse > > (with slight edits, more detailed 256x256 version and different oriented > > 16x16 version - top look on the keyboard) the keyboard from the computer > > icon. > > > > > Using that approach, 32x32 and above looks like. I had to simplified > 22x22 and 16x16 for the keyboard. > It would work better if you added a cord to the design. 22x22 probably needs further simplification, 16x16 lacks clarity. I'd suggest you use about the same amount of detail both for 16x16 and 22x22, since the current 16x16, even though blurry, suggest better than the 22x22 that it's actually a keyboard. For 256x256 I'd suggest making more detailed design, where the keys would not be just painted on the keyboard, but objects by themselves. You can probably use the same design for input-keyboard as well. The only difference is that while input-keyboard is a device icon, preferences-desktop-keyboard is used for symbolising configuration of the keyboard. There's also icon for System->Preferences->Personal->Input Method (preferences-desktop-input), I think the bluecurve metaphor might work for echo as well. Martin -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 197 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From hydra84 at gmail.com Sat Oct 18 10:05:57 2008 From: hydra84 at gmail.com (Paolo Leoni) Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2008 12:05:57 +0200 Subject: The third draft for F10 Solar CD/DVD sleeves In-Reply-To: <1224176735.17377.11.camel@victoria-eth> References: <20081016144028.9510F8E0294@hormel.redhat.com> <718154F7-17A5-4240-89DA-2FC51BE5BE99@gmail.com> <1224176735.17377.11.camel@victoria-eth> Message-ID: <48F9B505.6020103@gmail.com> I've only a little propose: it can be useful writing on the rear of the sleeves some Fedora mains features, like version of kernel and Xorg. -- Paolo Leoni ~ http://pleoni.altervista.org GPG fingerprint: DAD1 6419 D42B 0B1C D9E1 A9CB 4587 4812 17F7 F764 From nisses.mail at home.se Sat Oct 18 13:43:41 2008 From: nisses.mail at home.se (Andreas Nilsson) Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2008 15:43:41 +0200 Subject: Echo Icon Theme in F10? In-Reply-To: <48F6EB08.2020804@nicubunu.ro> References: <1223917421.2874.29.camel@pc-notebook> <48F6375F.8030903@fedoraproject.org> <48F6EB08.2020804@nicubunu.ro> Message-ID: <48F9E80D.8000807@home.se> Nicu Buculei wrote: > M?ir?n Duffy wrote: >> >> Here's some of that feedback. There are other screenshots at >> the bottom of the page I wanted to do the full critique on, >> but after spending some hours doing the critique that is >> complete there, I felt that what is there sufficiently and >> objectively demonstrates that Echo is not ready to be a >> default icon set: >> >> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Duffy/EchoCritiqueF10 > > While I agree with a good part of your criticism, I think you go a bit > too far in defending the current set and making it look like is not > broken (maybe is not broken as much, but broken enough to need > repairing): > > http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/Echocrit-f10-hardware-menu-gnome.png > Palm OS Device (gnome-pilot) icon is: http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=551388 - Andreas From nisses.mail at home.se Sat Oct 18 13:46:47 2008 From: nisses.mail at home.se (Andreas Nilsson) Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2008 15:46:47 +0200 Subject: Echo Icon Theme in F10? In-Reply-To: <48F7914D.4000400@fedoraproject.org> References: <1223917421.2874.29.camel@pc-notebook> <48F6375F.8030903@fedoraproject.org> <20081016144023.GD5834@nostromo.devel.redhat.com> <48F7914D.4000400@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <48F9E8C7.9010505@home.se> Luya Tshimbalanga wrote: > Regarding icons using different perspective, it is much worse for any > theme especially when new applications do not have icons that follow > either guideline (Blender, KOffice, xsane, about-me, gFTP, etc.) . > The Blender icon in the package from blender.org is tango styled. Might be a issue that it seem to lack a 24x24 size . I'll look into it. - Andreas From luya at fedoraproject.org Sun Oct 19 08:12:59 2008 From: luya at fedoraproject.org (Luya Tshimbalanga) Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2008 01:12:59 -0700 Subject: [Echo] format-text-* icons In-Reply-To: <1224321620.12513.16.camel@pc-notebook> References: <1223304736.3208.14.camel@pc-notebook> <48EA2C4A.8040302@nicubunu.ro> <48EB1650.90302@fedoraproject.org> <1224272889.2916.4.camel@pc-notebook> <48F9649C.5040706@fedoraproject.org> <1224321620.12513.16.camel@pc-notebook> Message-ID: <48FAEC0B.7070505@fedoraproject.org> Martin Sourada a ?crit : > > I suppose you're talking about the 16x16 version? It should be fixed > now. Check the attachment. > > Yes, that 16x16 version. Could you sightly reduce gradient on upper-right? Other than that, no further comment. Luya -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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You should add shadow as well. > > > > Martin > > > New version of emblem-symbolic-link. > The shape is better, but a) the white outline has differing width and in 16x16 it's missing completely use 2px thick in 48x48, and 1px in 24x24, 32x32 can have either 1px or 1.5px width, whatever looks better. I'd also to create it from inkscape-drawn outline (4px resp. 2px width) with rounded edges/corners. b) the arrow head looks subjectively too big, probably because of a) c) the arrow looks like it's falling over. It should be standing, not laying. Martin -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I'd also to create it > from inkscape-drawn outline (4px resp. 2px width) with rounded > edges/corners. > b) the arrow head looks subjectively too big, probably because of a) > c) the arrow looks like it's falling over. It should be standing, not > laying. > > Martin I attach 256x256 example which addresses these issues. Martin -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: emblem-symbolic-link.png Type: image/png Size: 23316 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: emblem-symbolic-link.svg Type: image/svg+xml Size: 11598 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 197 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From william.jon.mccann at gmail.com Sun Oct 19 14:06:02 2008 From: william.jon.mccann at gmail.com (William Jon McCann) Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2008 10:06:02 -0400 Subject: Fwd: state of the icon theme In-Reply-To: <1224353019.3669.166.camel@charon.jimmac.net> References: <1224353019.3669.166.camel@charon.jimmac.net> Message-ID: <939dd5750810190706q566fc3f6w35b18e3404229677@mail.gmail.com> FYI. ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Jakub Steiner Date: Sat, Oct 18, 2008 at 2:03 PM Subject: state of the icon theme To: desktop-devel-list at gnome.org Cc: Tango Artists List After chatting with Jon McCann on IRC the other day it came up people are confused about the icon theme situation. Turns out there may be designers who would like to contribute icon artwork upstream, but aren't sure what project exactly. As most of the people involved in the Tango project are also heavily involved with the gnome-art project, it's perhaps hard to see why both projects exist. The Tango project is about defining the 'neutral' common ground in terms of icon style. It aims to provide guidelines to any free software developer as to how to style their application icons. A side project is the icon naming spec [2] defining the core desktop icon set in terms of naming and metaphors. Tango's aim _isn't_ creation of an all-encompassing icon theme that everybody should use. Tango-icon-theme was the first implementation of the style guidelines and has actually made writing the guidelines possible. Sadly its existence made many people think Tango project is about creating this icon theme. The original plan was that this base desktop theme would be used by the two main desktop environments KDE and GNOME. That sadly didn't happen. On top of that, the CCBYSA license chosen for the theme also prevented derived icons to be shipped with GPLed projects and some distributions even refused to ship the standalone theme. Thus for the GNOME project some of us continued to apply the Tango style to the existing gnome-icon-theme. Recently Novell has agreed to put all the assets from the old tango-icon-theme into public domain to allow the creation of what we call the tango-icon-library[3]. Along with the style guidelines these assets will help 3rd party developers to create their icon artwork and help spread the adoption of the style. Tango artists have worked with many upstream projects to have their icon artwork follow the style guidelines in the past. We have projects like Pidgin, GIMP, GNOME, Firefox, Scribus following the style. Sadly KDE project chose not to follow the guidelines when creating their base icon theme Oxygen, but their style is not that far away, especially taking into account the future enhancements to the style I'll talk about. ?There has been some criticism of the Tango style to be outdated and non-modern. While I certainly don't identify with that, we have experimented with adding a high resolution variant of the icons. No style guideline has been written yet, but it's essentially a highly detailed, almost photo-realistic look for high density displays and some other special cases. We are at a point where this style can be somewhat described and put into the Tango style guidelines as an optional size. Just like with the original tango-icon-theme, to iterate the final style for the high resolution icons, we have created and been working on an icon theme codenamed Mango [4]. This theme is currently developed in a git repository on freedesktop, but with the past experience I think this should become the next iteration of the GNOME desktop base icon theme and move to gnome svn/infrastructure rather than aiming to make this a common/fallback/hicolor theme [5]. So to answer the original question -- if you're a designer looking to work on upstream projects -- to minimize the duplicity of work we're doing -- pick any free software project that is in need of icon art and make sure it follows the Tango style guidelines. GNOME is one of such projects and the new icon theme will need a lot of work in the area of high resolution alternatives. We would surely welcome any help from experienced designers who actually do exist in free software companies as I have recently found out. Discussions about the style should be happening on the tango-artists mailing list [6], matters around the gnome-icon-theme should be discussed on the gnome-themes list [7]. I hope this summary makes up for the long "radio silence". [1] http://tango.freedesktop.org/Tango_Icon_Theme_Guidelines [2] http://standards.freedesktop.org/icon-naming-spec/icon-naming-spec-latest.html [3] http://cgit.freedesktop.org/tango/tango-icon-library/ [4] http://cgit.freedesktop.org/tango/tango-icon-theme/ [5] We need to discuss this with KDE/Oxygen people [6] http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/tango-artists [7] http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-themes-list _______________________________________________ desktop-devel-list mailing list desktop-devel-list at gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/desktop-devel-list From juankprada at gmail.com Sun Oct 19 22:53:50 2008 From: juankprada at gmail.com (Juan Camilo Prada Ojeda) Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2008 17:53:50 -0500 Subject: New design for Get-fedora section Message-ID: hello guys, so its me again showing here the new design for the get-fedora section. As planed for Fedora 10 release the get-fedora section should be changed providing a better interface for new users (and old users as well) to get the installation media. This new design tries to help new users while not getting in the way of experienced users who wants to download Fedora, as well as providing links to mirrors, spins and torrent files, also some information was added to make each choice more understandable following some old ideas that i've worked on before[1] So, please check the publicktest15[2] and give some feedback on the design. Also (and this goes specially to the art team ^^ ) the icons that are displayed on the new design are not the ones that should be used, those were taken from google and i'm not sure about any legal issues they might have so, i would like to know if we already have some similar icons to those on the Echo Icon theme, as it would be good the icons fit that theme. If we do have them please let me know where to find them and if we dont have them so... is anyone willing to help making the icons to replace the current ones on the new design :) ? Im open to any feedback you can provide [1] - http://jprada.fedorapeople.org/out/en/get-fedora [2] - http://publictest15.fedoraproject.org/en/get-fedora Juank -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Now, the information on how to upgrade fedora seems very useful but im not sure if it should be there or in any other sub-page linked from the get-fedora section, that might be something to discuss (again if this was discussed before ignore this). The other download options is pretty much the same i have on the third column although yours looks more polished. I'm gonna try an change the style on the third column to make it look more like what you have there and see how it looks- -- Juan Camilo Prada From duffy at fedoraproject.org Mon Oct 20 00:46:30 2008 From: duffy at fedoraproject.org (Mairin Duffy) Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2008 20:46:30 -0400 Subject: New design for Get-fedora section In-Reply-To: <1224463097.8871.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <48FBC78A.80506@fedoraproject.org> <1224463097.8871.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <48FBD4E6.1010209@fedoraproject.org> Juan Camilo Prada wrote: > On Sun, 2008-10-19 at 19:49 -0400, Mairin Duffy wrote: >> Juan Camilo Prada Ojeda wrote: >>> Im open to any feedback you can provide >>> >>> [1] - http://jprada.fedorapeople.org/out/en/get-fedora >>> [2] - http://publictest15.fedoraproject.org/en/get-fedora >> This doesn' t look like: >> >> http://duffy.fedorapeople.org/webdesign/get-fedora/ >> >> ~m > > Not sure what you mean by that, but taking a look at what you have > there, i would say that the first section where the Desktop live media > is promoted as the only option to download, might be good to use it in > the home page, as we discussed some time ago (if in previous meetings > you all changed your mind and decided that this was the way to go then > please ignore this comment). Maybe I don't recall the last of the many, many discussions we've had on this page but I kind of thought there had been some consensus on the design link I posted... which was done based on feedback on this list about the first few designs. As I believe was mentioned the last time this page was discussed, we really need to avoid a field of buttons and widgets all over the page. This does not make getting Fedora simple. In fact, I believe we had discussed the first page being simple, and there being a more advanced page that maybe could look like the mockup you've done? (Am I going senile?) > > Now, the information on how to upgrade fedora seems very useful but im > not sure if it should be there or in any other sub-page linked from the > get-fedora section, that might be something to discuss (again if this > was discussed before ignore this). I think maybe you might want to check the list archives to see the discussion because I think you may have missed it. > > The other download options is pretty much the same i have on the third > column although yours looks more polished. I'm gonna try an change the > style on the third column to make it look more like what you have there > and see how it looks- Can you implement the page as it is in the mockup? ~m From luya at fedoraproject.org Mon Oct 20 06:54:56 2008 From: luya at fedoraproject.org (Luya Tshimbalanga) Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2008 23:54:56 -0700 Subject: [Echo] New emblem-symbolic-link icon set draft In-Reply-To: <1224409362.12513.24.camel@pc-notebook> References: <48EDABD7.2020501@fedoraproject.org> <1223628221.10532.5.camel@pc-notebook> <48F1AA8B.3060608@fedoraproject.org> <1223800924.3682.4.camel@pc-notebook> <48F96069.5040109@fedoraproject.org> <1224409362.12513.24.camel@pc-notebook> Message-ID: <48FC2B40.60004@fedoraproject.org> Martin Sourada a ?crit : > The shape is better, but > > a) the white outline has differing width and in 16x16 it's missing > completely use 2px thick in 48x48, and 1px in 24x24, 32x32 can have > either 1px or 1.5px width, whatever looks better. I'd also to create it > from inkscape-drawn outline (4px resp. 2px width) with rounded > edges/corners. > b) the arrow head looks subjectively too big, probably because of a) > c) the arrow looks like it's falling over. It should be standing, not > laying. > > Above issues have been addressed. Here is latest version. Luya -- ??D0 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: emblem-symbolic-link.svg Type: image/svg+xml Size: 56600 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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For that size, I am not sure if it > is necessary to enlarge inner white outline. 16x16 should look crisp enough. > This one is definitely better. Maybe slightly darker gradient for the 16x16 might further help, maybe not. You could also try making the outline slightly darker in that size. I have no other comments. Martin -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 197 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From martin.sourada at gmail.com Mon Oct 20 15:29:04 2008 From: martin.sourada at gmail.com (Martin Sourada) Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2008 17:29:04 +0200 Subject: Echo Icon Theme Future Message-ID: <1224516544.2981.28.camel@pc-notebook> Hi, the last week's discussion about Echo was pretty fruitful I think and showed that the general opinion is to not include Echo in F10 as a default icon set. I take this as an opportunity to rethink the general goals of echo and "give some credit" to various critics. The main reason why *I* think not to have Echo in F10 as default is incomplete coverage of other-than-48x48-px sizes and shortcomings of the scalable icons that are supposed to fill the gap. We're slowly but steadily improving that and I think Echo should not be submitted for inclusion in Fedora as default icon set before this issue is resolved. Next there is a general coverage where we are already close to gnome upstream icon set. We will be improving that as well. I'd like to focus on (nearly) full coverage of Desktop Live Spin, KDE Live Spin and XFCE Live Spin (others as well, but I don't have them all in memory). So if you are missing echo styled icons in your favourite application that is included in one of those spins, feel free to file a bug [1]. It will not be handled instantly, but it helps us deciding what icons need to be done ;-) That also pretty much summarize our main goal, which is similar to what tango project has, to cover various desktops with one icon set. Finally I'd like to throw some fuel for discussion (mainly on the art-list). We are a lot criticized for inconsistencies in the projection we use in echo. Strictly speaking we are using 3 different types of projections and we have rules which is used where and we are pretty much consistent with that. Especially we do not introduce any other different projections to these and thus trying to keep the set consistent. In that we are even better than gnome - I discovered a few of icons there that does not adhere to their projection guidelines and have their own (though usually only slightly different from the main types). But on the other side it turns out that having three main types of projections is too much for an icon set and that having two is about the right number. So I started discovering the idea a bit more [2] with the hope to come to some conclusions (in the future) about echo projection guidelines. I am thinking about creating a parallel icon set that would use echo guidelines sans the projection ones, but I have not yet decided on the used type of projections. My top candidate currently is perspective projection from a similar viewpoint as used by gnome icon theme - that would much improve our coexistence with it. I am attaching proof of concept icon sketches following this projection rule. I plan to explore other types of projections as well and write another blog post (a follow-up to [2]) later (but it will take some time, since I don't have much spare time available for echo lately). 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Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 197 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From hylkebons at gmail.com Mon Oct 20 19:29:28 2008 From: hylkebons at gmail.com (Hylke Bons) Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2008 21:29:28 +0200 Subject: Echo Icon Theme Future In-Reply-To: <1224516544.2981.28.camel@pc-notebook> References: <1224516544.2981.28.camel@pc-notebook> Message-ID: <55cf1980810201229g29c343fbk3889ae082fc269b8@mail.gmail.com> "That also pretty much summarize our main goal, which is similar to what tango project has, to cover various desktops with one icon set." Well, with one style. Huge difference. I'm still not a fan of the isometric view of the bigger icons, i think it causes most of the noise in the icons. Also, I do not see a need for that particular viewpoint. Anyway, the new perspective icons look much crispier. Good job! :) Hylke 2008/10/20 Martin Sourada : > Hi, > > the last week's discussion about Echo was pretty fruitful I think and > showed that the general opinion is to not include Echo in F10 as a > default icon set. I take this as an opportunity to rethink the general > goals of echo and "give some credit" to various critics. > > The main reason why *I* think not to have Echo in F10 as default is > incomplete coverage of other-than-48x48-px sizes and shortcomings of the > scalable icons that are supposed to fill the gap. We're slowly but > steadily improving that and I think Echo should not be submitted for > inclusion in Fedora as default icon set before this issue is resolved. > > Next there is a general coverage where we are already close to gnome > upstream icon set. We will be improving that as well. I'd like to focus > on (nearly) full coverage of Desktop Live Spin, KDE Live Spin and XFCE > Live Spin (others as well, but I don't have them all in memory). So if > you are missing echo styled icons in your favourite application that is > included in one of those spins, feel free to file a bug [1]. It will not > be handled instantly, but it helps us deciding what icons need to be > done ;-) > > That also pretty much summarize our main goal, which is similar to what > tango project has, to cover various desktops with one icon set. > > Finally I'd like to throw some fuel for discussion (mainly on the > art-list). We are a lot criticized for inconsistencies in the projection > we use in echo. Strictly speaking we are using 3 different types of > projections and we have rules which is used where and we are pretty much > consistent with that. Especially we do not introduce any other different > projections to these and thus trying to keep the set consistent. In that > we are even better than gnome - I discovered a few of icons there that > does not adhere to their projection guidelines and have their own > (though usually only slightly different from the main types). > > But on the other side it turns out that having three main types of > projections is too much for an icon set and that having two is about the > right number. So I started discovering the idea a bit more [2] with the > hope to come to some conclusions (in the future) about echo projection > guidelines. I am thinking about creating a parallel icon set that would > use echo guidelines sans the projection ones, but I have not yet decided > on the used type of projections. > > My top candidate currently is perspective projection from a similar > viewpoint as used by gnome icon theme - that would much improve our > coexistence with it. I am attaching proof of concept icon sketches > following this projection rule. I plan to explore other types of > projections as well and write another blog post (a follow-up to [2]) > later (but it will take some time, since I don't have much spare time > available for echo lately). > > Comments welcome, > Martin > > References: > [1] https://fedorahosted.org/echo-icon-theme/newticket > [2] > http://mso-chronicles.blogspot.com/2008/10/echo-icon-theme-perspective-part-i.html > > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list > > From luya at fedoraproject.org Mon Oct 20 20:13:58 2008 From: luya at fedoraproject.org (Luya Tshimbalanga) Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2008 13:13:58 -0700 Subject: Echo Icon Theme Future In-Reply-To: <1224516544.2981.28.camel@pc-notebook> References: <1224516544.2981.28.camel@pc-notebook> Message-ID: <48FCE686.2050503@fedoraproject.org> Martin Sourada a ?crit : > Finally I'd like to throw some fuel for discussion (mainly on the > art-list). We are a lot criticized for inconsistencies in the projection > we use in echo. Strictly speaking we are using 3 different types of > projections and we have rules which is used where and we are pretty much > consistent with that. Especially we do not introduce any other different > projections to these and thus trying to keep the set consistent. In that > we are even better than gnome - I discovered a few of icons there that > does not adhere to their projection guidelines and have their own > (though usually only slightly different from the main types). > > But on the other side it turns out that having three main types of > projections is too much for an icon set and that having two is about the > right number. So I started discovering the idea a bit more [2] with the > hope to come to some conclusions (in the future) about echo projection > guidelines. I am thinking about creating a parallel icon set that would > use echo guidelines sans the projection ones, but I have not yet decided > on the used type of projections. > Quick comment, I remember having a discussion with Ma?r?n about setting perspective for 24x24 and less icons. Perhaps applying that illustrated perspectivs to all categories at those sizes might help. Spherical icons will have much impact. Extra small icons (16x16) should stay flat due to their size. Luya -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Especially we do not introduce any other different > > projections to these and thus trying to keep the set consistent. In that > > we are even better than gnome - I discovered a few of icons there that > > does not adhere to their projection guidelines and have their own > > (though usually only slightly different from the main types). > > > > But on the other side it turns out that having three main types of > > projections is too much for an icon set and that having two is about the > > right number. So I started discovering the idea a bit more [2] with the > > hope to come to some conclusions (in the future) about echo projection > > guidelines. I am thinking about creating a parallel icon set that would > > use echo guidelines sans the projection ones, but I have not yet decided > > on the used type of projections. > > > Quick comment, > > I remember having a discussion with Ma?r?n about setting perspective for > 24x24 and less icons. Perhaps applying that illustrated perspectivs to > all categories at those sizes might help. Spherical icons will have much > impact. > Extra small icons (16x16) should stay flat due to their size. > > Luya 16x16 should be definitely flat, I am still considering whether 24x24 as well, but seeing how gnome handles that, probably not... Martin -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 197 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From ricky at fedoraproject.org Thu Oct 23 02:33:06 2008 From: ricky at fedoraproject.org (Ricky Zhou) Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2008 22:33:06 -0400 Subject: Fedora 10 Countdown Message-ID: <20081023023306.GC10891@sphe.res.cmu.edu> Hey, do we have any images prepared for the F10 countdown right now? When do you thing we should try to have the counter up by? Thanks, Ricky -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Probably is a good idea to have the countdown banner based on the beta banner[1] (if that is made using a "clean" source). http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Image:Fedora-10-beta-release-graphic.png -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Thu Oct 23 06:41:07 2008 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2008 09:41:07 +0300 Subject: Sound themes Message-ID: <49001C83.7040503@nicubunu.ro> Maybe you saw Lennarts' call for XDG sound themes: http://0pointer.de/blog/projects/free-sound-themes.html I am afraid we may have driven away Chris with the lack of feedback when he tried to create one: https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-art-list/2008-September/msg00004.html Also, with the Echo experience fresh in mind, I wonder if we create a new set only to get it called a "charade" and "if you think what you're doing is 'value add' that makes Fedora look better than the 'competition' you are wrong". -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From fedora-art at brej.org Thu Oct 23 09:12:49 2008 From: fedora-art at brej.org (Charlie Brej) Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2008 10:12:49 +0100 Subject: Solar derived artwork under GPLv2+ Message-ID: <49004011.6040705@brej.org> Would it be possible for the copyright holders of the solar artwork to permit two derived images to be licensed under GPLv2+. Images: http://www.cs.man.ac.uk/~brejc8/temp/background.png http://www.cs.man.ac.uk/~brejc8/temp/star.png This would remove some complications around packaging the Plymouth solar plugin. From sstorari at byte-code.com Thu Oct 23 09:42:42 2008 From: sstorari at byte-code.com (Samuele Storari) Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2008 11:42:42 +0200 (CEST) Subject: Solar derived artwork under GPLv2+ In-Reply-To: <49004011.6040705@brej.org> Message-ID: <1543963755.59921224754962732.JavaMail.root@mail.byte-code.com> For me there's no problem to license the image in GPLv2+. But I think that right now Fedora is the holder of the artwork. But if I had to do something, or write something, I will. Let me know. Cheers Samuele ----- Original Message ----- From: "Charlie Brej" To: "Fedora Art List" Sent: Thursday, 23 October, 2008 11:12:49 AM GMT +01:00 Amsterdam / Berlin / Bern / Rome / Stockholm / Vienna Subject: Solar derived artwork under GPLv2+ Would it be possible for the copyright holders of the solar artwork to permit two derived images to be licensed under GPLv2+. Images: http://www.cs.man.ac.uk/~brejc8/temp/background.png http://www.cs.man.ac.uk/~brejc8/temp/star.png This would remove some complications around packaging the Plymouth solar plugin. _______________________________________________ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list at redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list -- Samuele Storari Art Director Byte-Code srl mobile: +39 347 50 798 32 office: +39 02 9840047 http://www.byte-code.com From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Thu Oct 23 09:50:47 2008 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2008 12:50:47 +0300 Subject: Solar derived artwork under GPLv2+ In-Reply-To: <1543963755.59921224754962732.JavaMail.root@mail.byte-code.com> References: <1543963755.59921224754962732.JavaMail.root@mail.byte-code.com> Message-ID: <490048F7.6000903@nicubunu.ro> Samuele Storari wrote: > For me there's no problem to license the image in GPLv2+. > > But I think that right now Fedora is the holder of the artwork. You will be *always* the copyright holder for your work. By signing the CLA you allow Fedora to use your work under a certain license, but your rights remain intact. > But if I had to do something, or write something, I will. > > Let me know. This email should be enough. -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From sstorari at byte-code.com Thu Oct 23 09:53:33 2008 From: sstorari at byte-code.com (Samuele Storari) Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2008 11:53:33 +0200 (CEST) Subject: Solar derived artwork under GPLv2+ In-Reply-To: <490048F7.6000903@nicubunu.ro> Message-ID: <1314400523.59951224755613810.JavaMail.root@mail.byte-code.com> thanks Nicu for your help. S ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nicu Buculei" To: "Fedora Art List" Sent: Thursday, 23 October, 2008 11:50:47 AM GMT +01:00 Amsterdam / Berlin / Bern / Rome / Stockholm / Vienna Subject: Re: Solar derived artwork under GPLv2+ Samuele Storari wrote: > For me there's no problem to license the image in GPLv2+. > > But I think that right now Fedora is the holder of the artwork. You will be *always* the copyright holder for your work. By signing the CLA you allow Fedora to use your work under a certain license, but your rights remain intact. > But if I had to do something, or write something, I will. > > Let me know. This email should be enough. -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro _______________________________________________ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list at redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list -- Samuele Storari Art Director Byte-Code srl mobile: +39 347 50 798 32 office: +39 02 9840047 http://www.byte-code.com From jreznik at redhat.com Thu Oct 23 10:01:15 2008 From: jreznik at redhat.com (Jaroslav Reznik) Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2008 06:01:15 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Solar derived artwork under GPLv2+ In-Reply-To: <490048F7.6000903@nicubunu.ro> Message-ID: <307367125.2954711224756075877.JavaMail.root@zmail02.collab.prod.int.phx2.redhat.com> So the final license will be CC-BY-SA and/or GPLv2+? Currently I'm preparing package for Solar KDE Themes (rhbz#467943) and it's now CC-BY-SA. R. --- Jaroslav Reznik Software Engineer - Base OS Core Services Brno Red Hat, Inc. +420 532 294 275 ----- "Nicu Buculei" wrote: > Samuele Storari wrote: > > For me there's no problem to license the image in GPLv2+. > > > > But I think that right now Fedora is the holder of the artwork. > > You will be *always* the copyright holder for your work. By signing > the > CLA you allow Fedora to use your work under a certain license, but > your > rights remain intact. > > > But if I had to do something, or write something, I will. > > > > Let me know. > > This email should be enough. > > -- > nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com > Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ > Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org > my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Thu Oct 23 10:09:59 2008 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2008 13:09:59 +0300 Subject: Solar derived artwork under GPLv2+ In-Reply-To: <307367125.2954711224756075877.JavaMail.root@zmail02.collab.prod.int.phx2.redhat.com> References: <307367125.2954711224756075877.JavaMail.root@zmail02.collab.prod.int.phx2.redhat.com> Message-ID: <49004D77.6090307@nicubunu.ro> Jaroslav Reznik wrote: > So the final license will be CC-BY-SA and/or GPLv2+? > Currently I'm preparing package for Solar KDE > Themes (rhbz#467943) and it's now CC-BY-SA. From my understanding, it's both. It was originally released as CC-BY-SA and the author just allowed also GPLv2+ -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From fedora-art at brej.org Thu Oct 23 10:16:00 2008 From: fedora-art at brej.org (Charlie Brej) Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2008 11:16:00 +0100 Subject: Solar derived artwork under GPLv2+ In-Reply-To: <49004D77.6090307@nicubunu.ro> References: <307367125.2954711224756075877.JavaMail.root@zmail02.collab.prod.int.phx2.redhat.com> <49004D77.6090307@nicubunu.ro> Message-ID: <49004EE0.3000806@brej.org> Nicu Buculei wrote: > From my understanding, it's both. > It was originally released as CC-BY-SA and the author just allowed also > GPLv2+ I just wanted the two images dual licensed under GPLv2. The rest can stay as CC-BY-SA which (AFAIK) is a better licence for artwork. From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Thu Oct 23 10:22:28 2008 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2008 13:22:28 +0300 Subject: Solar derived artwork under GPLv2+ In-Reply-To: <49004EE0.3000806@brej.org> References: <307367125.2954711224756075877.JavaMail.root@zmail02.collab.prod.int.phx2.redhat.com> <49004D77.6090307@nicubunu.ro> <49004EE0.3000806@brej.org> Message-ID: <49005064.3080701@nicubunu.ro> Charlie Brej wrote: > Nicu Buculei wrote: >> From my understanding, it's both. >> It was originally released as CC-BY-SA and the author just allowed >> also GPLv2+ > > I just wanted the two images dual licensed under GPLv2. The rest can > stay as CC-BY-SA which (AFAIK) is a better licence for artwork. The best option is dual license, both CC-BY-SA and GPL, otherwise you can go in murky waters: the GPL talks about the source code, and what is the source fode for those two images? The layered .xcf. So having a consistent (dual) license is the easiest way. -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From jreznik at redhat.com Thu Oct 23 11:16:25 2008 From: jreznik at redhat.com (Jaroslav Reznik) Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2008 07:16:25 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Solar derived artwork under GPLv2+ In-Reply-To: <446416296.2958331224760475394.JavaMail.root@zmail02.collab.prod.int.phx2.redhat.com> Message-ID: <953504590.2958441224760585391.JavaMail.root@zmail02.collab.prod.int.phx2.redhat.com> ----- "Nicu Buculei" wrote: > Charlie Brej wrote: > > Nicu Buculei wrote: > >> From my understanding, it's both. > >> It was originally released as CC-BY-SA and the author just allowed > > >> also GPLv2+ > > > > I just wanted the two images dual licensed under GPLv2. The rest can > > > stay as CC-BY-SA which (AFAIK) is a better licence for artwork. > > The best option is dual license, both CC-BY-SA and GPL, otherwise you > > can go in murky waters: the GPL talks about the source code, and what > is > the source fode for those two images? The layered .xcf. > So having a consistent (dual) license is the easiest way. Ok, sounds good for me. So I'm going to use multiple licenses for solar-kde-theme. CC-BY-SA for artwork and GPLv2 for source code of themes (it's inherited work from original KDM theme). Thanks! R. > > -- > nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com > Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ > Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org > my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list From ianweller at gmail.com Thu Oct 23 16:44:32 2008 From: ianweller at gmail.com (Ian Weller) Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2008 11:44:32 -0500 Subject: Fedora 10 Countdown In-Reply-To: <490010DF.9080903@nicubunu.ro> References: <20081023023306.GC10891@sphe.res.cmu.edu> <490010DF.9080903@nicubunu.ro> Message-ID: <20081023164432.GA23113@gmail.com> On Thu, Oct 23, 2008 at 08:51:27AM +0300, Nicu Buculei wrote: > Probably is a good idea to have the countdown banner based on the beta > banner[1] (if that is made using a "clean" source). > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Image:Fedora-10-beta-release-graphic.png > I made it so that it would be. Wouldn't be too hard to hack the XML and make it work with one of mizmo's previous scripts. The SVG should be on the wiki but I'm posting it here again. -- Ian Weller http://ianweller.org GnuPG fingerprint: E51E 0517 7A92 70A2 4226 B050 87ED 7C97 EFA8 4A36 "Technology is a word that describes something that doesn't work yet." ~ Douglas Adams -------------- next part -------------- image/svg+xml 10 FEDORA 10 BETA AVAILABLE NOW -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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However well intentioned Chris' effort may have been, the results are not suitable for use in a high quality desktop product. Have you actually listened to the theme that you reference here? There is absolutely nothing wrong with creating lots of fun and creative themes. This is exactly what Lennart and I would like to see happen. However, at some point we have to discriminate between what is play and what is the right choice for our product and intended audience. This is the same problem that some of us have with the way the icon theme and background art work has been handled in Fedora. I personally love to see lots of energy and experimentation going on. But at the end of the day we have to be concerned about our audience and how everything integrates into a coherent product. It is not often fun to be told that your work is not good enough or inappropriate. However, that is a very essential part of how a meritocracy works. And it is an essential part of how human development works. You simply can't grow without it. In this aspect, art design is no different from software design. You would be right to point out here that we don't all agree on what our audience is and what our product should feel like. That is indeed a serious problem. Another problem is how you define who the judges are. Do you try to poll your audience? (requires you to clearly define the audience) Do you trust your peers? (must define peers) Do you trust the critics/experts? It is a tough problem. But it always goes back to audience. Otherwise you may create something that is beautiful, complete, and wrong. I think that the desktop wallpapers we've used by default are a good example of this: http://blogs.gnome.org/mccann/2008/05/30/state-of-the-art-wallpapers/ Switching gears slightly. When resources are limited, fragmentation often results in inconsistency. Or, when the problem space is too large or unbounded the best we can do is to define standards. For desktop apps we have the GNOME Human Interface Guidelines. For icon themes we have the Tango guidelines, and the upcoming Mango guidelines. Widget themes are slightly different because the problem is basically bounded - there are only so many widgets to theme. So, back to sound themes. I am maintaining the default freedesktop sound theme. It is very new, incomplete, and definitely a bit rough. If anyone has any high quality sounds that meet the guidelines listed in the README please let me know. One thing that we need to stop right now is the "us" versus "them" mentality. I've heard that there is a long and sorted history between the Fedora art and desktop groups. Frankly, I don't know or care about any of that. It is all in the past. We need to focus on creating the right product for the right people and making it feel beautiful. Let's do it. Thanks, Jon From duffy at fedoraproject.org Fri Oct 24 02:02:57 2008 From: duffy at fedoraproject.org (Mairin Duffy) Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2008 22:02:57 -0400 Subject: four f's poster designs Message-ID: <49012CD1.2050007@fedoraproject.org> Hey folks, I put together some designs for the four f's posters. They are *very* different than our infinity freedom community ones. Because they are such a departure (a lot less shiny) and a little weird, I won't be broken-hearted if you hate them, just let me know. I designed them so you could use any of them alone, or you can use them together and connect them to make an even bigger poster. They are also designed so they are more of a backdrop than a main event. Influences include sari fabric (do you see it?), Red Hat's website background, and quilts! You'll see what I mean when you look at them, I think/hope. Anyhow, here's the individual posters. There's one for each f, then there are two that have all four f's on them: http://duffy.fedorapeople.org/collateral/fourfs/individual%20posters/ Here's what they look like connected to make a bigger poster and what they look like lined up horizontally: http://duffy.fedorapeople.org/collateral/fourfs/four-fs-four-posters.png Let me know what you think. If we want to go for another look let's talk about the kind of look/feel we should try. Any Fedora Ambassadors reading this, I'd especially like to hear what direction you think we should go in as you're the folks with these posters at events competing with other booths/tables. ~m From duffy at redhat.com Fri Oct 24 03:02:26 2008 From: duffy at redhat.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?M=E1ir=EDn_Duffy?=) Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2008 23:02:26 -0400 Subject: Artwork Quality (was Re: Sound themes) In-Reply-To: <939dd5750810231034t2d7032b7jaafc15ae411cd97d@mail.gmail.com> References: <49001C83.7040503@nicubunu.ro> <939dd5750810231034t2d7032b7jaafc15ae411cd97d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <49013AC2.9060808@redhat.com> William Jon McCann wrote: > It is not often fun to be told that your work is not good enough or > inappropriate. It seems you've hijacked a thread about sound themes to indirectly allude that the art team's work is not good enough or appropriate. If you do believe this, it would be better to give direct feedback rather than beat around the bush. Specific critiques about the Fedora 10 artwork, which I think exceeds the F9 artwork by far, would be greatly appreciated. Also, please consider that we have a number of non-native English speakers here who might not necessarily pick up on the nuances of your message. > And it is an essential part of how human > development works. You simply can't grow without it. > In this aspect, art design is no different from software design. I trust that was meant with the best of intentions, so I'm sad to admit I can't help finding this somewhat patronizing, sorry. > You would be right to point out here that we don't all agree on what > our audience is and what our product should feel like. > That is indeed a serious problem. How do you propose to fix it? > Another problem is how you define who the judges are. Do you try to > poll your audience? (requires you to clearly define the audience) Do > you trust your peers? (must define peers) Do you trust the > critics/experts? While you have not come out and said directly to what you would like to apply these questions to, I'm happy to be quite direct and state that we have done all of the above on the art team. Over the past few releases we've tried different things and learning from them. "Growing as human beings" you could say, I suppose. > It is a tough problem. But it always goes back to > audience. Otherwise you may create something that is beautiful, > complete, and wrong. Again, I can't help but feel a bit patronized. > I think that the desktop wallpapers we've used by default are a good > example of this: > http://blogs.gnome.org/mccann/2008/05/30/state-of-the-art-wallpapers/ Why not just say the Fedora 9 wallpapers sucked instead of going to all that effort? I wouldn't argue with you on it. There were some real stinkers before we had a community art process as well. Same with the bits of the release in general, we've had some real stinkers with some broken bits shipped out of the box. So artwork and code, we've never been perfect every release. Even so, there are quite a few fans of the F9 wallpaper despite its suckage. > Switching gears slightly. When resources are limited, fragmentation > often results in inconsistency. Or, when the problem space is too > large or unbounded the best we can do is to define standards. For > desktop apps we have the GNOME Human Interface Guidelines. For icon > themes we have the Tango guidelines, and the upcoming Mango > guidelines. Widget themes are slightly different because the problem > is basically bounded - there are only so many widgets to theme. Artwork is a little different and harder to pin down than GUI design guidelines (which are also very difficult to pin down except on the very top, surface level which is all the GNOME HIG itself has actual clear guidelines for.) We have some basic guidelines that the artwork adhere to a theme that can be clearly linked back to the spirit and goals of Fedora. Its base color is typically a shade of blue that is the same or complementary to the official Fedora logo colors. We have specific guidelines about resolution, aspect ratio, elements (where the logo is and isn't allowed), and formats for every bit of artwork we put into the release. These requirements, of course, are just as surface-level as the guidelines for widget usage in the HIG. Just as you can't follow a formula like the GNOME HIG and pop out a beautiful, usable interface, you can't follow a formula like the Fedora theme guidelines and pop out a beautiful theme. The magic inbetween that makes something good is design. I'm quite saddened by the fact that you don't seem to believe this team has or is capable of having that magic, but I suppose to relate it to coding as you did in your message, perhaps not everyone felt Linus had the magic or capability to develop the magic necessary to start a real, usable operating system. I suppose you could suggest we hire a professional Artist to sit in a room by themselves and design the entire theme all by themselves to get something beautiful, perfect, and befitting our high-quality desktop, but then you'd be in conflict designing artwork in a closed manner for a community operating system. It's not really fair to make comparisons to how software development and code works only when it is convenient so let's be fair and complete the analogy. The thing is, when one person designs things in a vaccuum, you only ever see the end product and you never see the work-in-progress so the end result I think always seems so impressive than if you had seen it develop in stages. Unfortunately with the open process we have here, it is quite easy to judge works before they have fully formed and thus adopt an unfair bias against a final work that otherwise may have seemed quite satisfactory. > > So, back to sound themes. I am maintaining the default freedesktop > sound theme. It is very new, incomplete, and definitely a bit rough. > If anyone has any high quality sounds that meet the guidelines listed > in the README please let me know. It probably would have been better if you started a new thread since I am sure this was lost in the heat of all of the above so I've started a new one for you. > > One thing that we need to stop right now is the "us" versus "them" > mentality. That would be great, I really look forward to this! It's a real shame. all the aggression that's happening on fedora-desktop-list concerning the artwork. The artwork list was left off of the cc as well, which makes me think the thread was started only to cause strife and not to help improve things (if it was meant constructively I don't understand leaving out the very folks involved in the decision it ranted about.) It's that kind of aggressive, adversarial behavior that really makes me question why I bother. (maybe from your POV it would be a good thing if I quit the art team, who knows) But I certainly don't see that type of behavior coming from the art team in the reverse direction, for sure. > I've heard that there is a long and sorted history between > the Fedora art and desktop groups. Frankly, I don't know or care > about any of that. It is all in the past. We need to focus on > creating the right product for the right people and making it feel > beautiful. Let's do it. How do you propose we "do it" since it seems clear to me that you feel we are not doing it? ~m From mairin at linuxgrrl.com Fri Oct 24 03:19:30 2008 From: mairin at linuxgrrl.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?M=E1ir=EDn_Duffy?=) Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2008 23:19:30 -0400 Subject: four f's poster designs In-Reply-To: <49012CD1.2050007@fedoraproject.org> References: <49012CD1.2050007@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <49013EC2.70802@linuxgrrl.com> Mairin Duffy wrote: > Hey folks, > > I put together some designs for the four f's posters. They are *very* > different than our infinity freedom community ones. Because they are > such a departure (a lot less shiny) and a little weird, I won't be > broken-hearted if you hate them, just let me know. I designed them so > you could use any of them alone, or you can use them together and > connect them to make an even bigger poster. They are also designed so > they are more of a backdrop than a main event. Influences include sari > fabric (do you see it?), Red Hat's website background, and quilts! > You'll see what I mean when you look at them, I think/hope. Shame on me, I forgot to note that the 'first' and 'features' icons were designed by Nicu Buculei [1,2], so thanks Nicu! :) ~m [1] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-art-list/2008-September/msg00146.html [2] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-art-list/2008-September/msg00181.html From stickster at gmail.com Fri Oct 24 03:42:31 2008 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul Frields) Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2008 23:42:31 -0400 Subject: Artwork Quality (was Re: Sound themes) In-Reply-To: <49013AC2.9060808@redhat.com> References: <49001C83.7040503@nicubunu.ro> <939dd5750810231034t2d7032b7jaafc15ae411cd97d@mail.gmail.com> <49013AC2.9060808@redhat.com> Message-ID: On Thu, Oct 23, 2008 at 11:02 PM, M?ir?n Duffy wrote: > William Jon McCann wrote: >> >> It is not often fun to be told that your work is not good enough or >> inappropriate. > > It seems you've hijacked a thread about sound themes to indirectly allude > that the art team's work is not good enough or appropriate. If you do > believe this, it would be better to give direct feedback rather than beat > around the bush. Specific critiques about the Fedora 10 artwork, which I > think exceeds the F9 artwork by far, would be greatly appreciated. Also, > please consider that we have a number of non-native English speakers here > who might not necessarily pick up on the nuances of your message. [...snip...] The Artwork team has always been open, in my experience, to criticism and suggestions about artwork. They exemplify the way Fedora teams work openly and transparently in a cooperative effort. And they've consistently turned out designs that are always solid, and often spectacular, not just for the desktop but for a variety of other uses too. We can absolutely have dissension and discussion about artwork and design -- with specifics about what needs work. At the end of the day, the Fedora Artwork team has been charged with the responsibility of the look and feel of Fedora. They're expected to do -- and have done -- that work in a community-friendly way, and people who want to have input into the process should do the same. Paul From stickster at gmail.com Fri Oct 24 03:43:43 2008 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul Frields) Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2008 23:43:43 -0400 Subject: four f's poster designs In-Reply-To: <49013EC2.70802@linuxgrrl.com> References: <49012CD1.2050007@fedoraproject.org> <49013EC2.70802@linuxgrrl.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 2008-10-23 at 23:19 -0400, M?ir?n Duffy wrote: > Mairin Duffy wrote: > > Hey folks, > > > > I put together some designs for the four f's posters. They are *very* > > different than our infinity freedom community ones. Because they are > > such a departure (a lot less shiny) and a little weird, I won't be > > broken-hearted if you hate them, just let me know. I designed them so > > you could use any of them alone, or you can use them together and > > connect them to make an even bigger poster. They are also designed so > > they are more of a backdrop than a main event. Influences include sari > > fabric (do you see it?), Red Hat's website background, and quilts! > > You'll see what I mean when you look at them, I think/hope. > > Shame on me, I forgot to note that the 'first' and 'features' icons were > designed by Nicu Buculei [1,2], so thanks Nicu! :) That goes for me too. Great work Nicu, you have helped create something truly fantastic IMHO. -- Paul W. Frields gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://paul.frields.org/ - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug From kushaldas at gmail.com Fri Oct 24 04:06:59 2008 From: kushaldas at gmail.com (Kushal Das) Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2008 09:36:59 +0530 Subject: Fedora Button artwork Message-ID: Hi all, We need couple of artwork ready for the Fedora Buttons at FOSS.IN . Any links to the existing works or some new ideas will help :) Kushal -- http://fedoraproject.org http://kushaldas.in From duffy at redhat.com Fri Oct 24 04:13:14 2008 From: duffy at redhat.com (=?UTF-8?B?TcOhaXLDrW4gRHVmZnk=?=) Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2008 00:13:14 -0400 Subject: Fedora Button artwork In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <49014B5A.6040702@redhat.com> Hey Kushal, Kushal Das wrote: > We need couple of artwork ready for the Fedora Buttons at FOSS.IN . > Any links to the existing works or some new ideas will help :) John Rose had a bunch of these printed up for the recent Ohio Linux Fest and they came out well. There's printer-ready artwork here: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/MarketingCollateral#Fedora_Buttons One idea could also be to do a pin for each of the four Fedora f's... we don't have designs for that yet though. ~m From ianweller at gmail.com Fri Oct 24 04:14:16 2008 From: ianweller at gmail.com (Ian Weller) Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2008 23:14:16 -0500 Subject: four f's poster designs In-Reply-To: <49012CD1.2050007@fedoraproject.org> References: <49012CD1.2050007@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <20081024041416.GA2902@gmail.com> On Thu, Oct 23, 2008 at 10:02:57PM -0400, Mairin Duffy wrote: > Let me know what you think. If we want to go for another look let's talk > about the kind of look/feel we should try. Any Fedora Ambassadors > reading this, I'd especially like to hear what direction you think we > should go in as you're the folks with these posters at events competing > with other booths/tables. > Quick thought -- how large will the two-line text be for each poster? I didn't notice it until I looked at the individual posters. If they can't be read from about 6 feet away, I think they need to be enlarged or removed... -- Ian Weller http://ianweller.org GnuPG fingerprint: E51E 0517 7A92 70A2 4226 B050 87ED 7C97 EFA8 4A36 "Technology is a word that describes something that doesn't work yet." ~ Douglas Adams -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 197 bytes Desc: not available URL: From mairin at linuxgrrl.com Fri Oct 24 04:31:21 2008 From: mairin at linuxgrrl.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?M=E1ir=EDn_Duffy?=) Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2008 00:31:21 -0400 Subject: four f's poster designs In-Reply-To: <20081024041416.GA2902@gmail.com> References: <49012CD1.2050007@fedoraproject.org> <20081024041416.GA2902@gmail.com> Message-ID: <49014F99.2080806@linuxgrrl.com> Ian Weller wrote: > On Thu, Oct 23, 2008 at 10:02:57PM -0400, Mairin Duffy wrote: >> Let me know what you think. If we want to go for another look let's talk >> about the kind of look/feel we should try. Any Fedora Ambassadors >> reading this, I'd especially like to hear what direction you think we >> should go in as you're the folks with these posters at events competing >> with other booths/tables. >> > Quick thought -- how large will the two-line text be for each poster? I > didn't notice it until I looked at the individual posters. If they can't > be read from about 6 feet away, I think they need to be enlarged or > removed... I was thinking these would be printed at maybe 20"x30" or maybe larger proportions. These are just rough cuts so they do need some padding to fit that ratio, right now they scale to 20"x~24". At 20"x24", the two rows of text together are (if I'm measuring right) about 1.5" tall so I'm thinking not readable from 6 feet away. Do you think they'd work if we just took the text out? Maybe it could be resized and the little sound bites shortened even more, into 2-3 word phrases? ~m From lday at redhat.com Fri Oct 24 02:09:48 2008 From: lday at redhat.com (Leigh Cantrell Day) Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2008 22:09:48 -0400 Subject: four f's poster designs In-Reply-To: <49012CD1.2050007@fedoraproject.org> References: <49012CD1.2050007@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <49012E6C.8050000@redhat.com> Mairin -- these are just fabulous (IMHO, ie, not an artist or designer)! Could see these icons tell the story in so many use cases, alone and combined. Really great work... leigh Mairin Duffy wrote: > Hey folks, > > I put together some designs for the four f's posters. They are *very* > different than our infinity freedom community ones. Because they are > such a departure (a lot less shiny) and a little weird, I won't be > broken-hearted if you hate them, just let me know. I designed them so > you could use any of them alone, or you can use them together and > connect them to make an even bigger poster. They are also designed so > they are more of a backdrop than a main event. Influences include sari > fabric (do you see it?), Red Hat's website background, and quilts! > You'll see what I mean when you look at them, I think/hope. > > Anyhow, here's the individual posters. There's one for each f, then > there are two that have all four f's on them: > > http://duffy.fedorapeople.org/collateral/fourfs/individual%20posters/ > > Here's what they look like connected to make a bigger poster and what > they look like lined up horizontally: > > http://duffy.fedorapeople.org/collateral/fourfs/four-fs-four-posters.png > > Let me know what you think. If we want to go for another look let's talk > about the kind of look/feel we should try. Any Fedora Ambassadors > reading this, I'd especially like to hear what direction you think we > should go in as you're the folks with these posters at events competing > with other booths/tables. > > ~m From wdc at MIT.EDU Fri Oct 24 02:31:41 2008 From: wdc at MIT.EDU (William Cattey) Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2008 22:31:41 -0400 Subject: four f's poster designs In-Reply-To: <49012E6C.8050000@redhat.com> References: <49012CD1.2050007@fedoraproject.org> <49012E6C.8050000@redhat.com> Message-ID: <7700D4B9-6BB6-4D91-BE69-B9C8325AF28D@mit.edu> +1 You have a great eye and a great style, Mairin. -Bill ---- William Cattey Linux Platform Coordinator MIT Information Services & Technology N42-040M, 617-253-0140, wdc at mit.edu http://web.mit.edu/wdc/www/ On Oct 23, 2008, at 10:09 PM, Leigh Cantrell Day wrote: > Mairin -- these are just fabulous (IMHO, ie, not an artist or > designer)! Could see these icons tell the story in so many use > cases, alone and combined. > > Really great work... > > leigh > > > Mairin Duffy wrote: >> Hey folks, >> I put together some designs for the four f's posters. They are >> *very* different than our infinity freedom community ones. Because >> they are such a departure (a lot less shiny) and a little weird, I >> won't be broken-hearted if you hate them, just let me know. I >> designed them so you could use any of them alone, or you can use >> them together and connect them to make an even bigger poster. They >> are also designed so they are more of a backdrop than a main >> event. Influences include sari fabric (do you see it?), Red Hat's >> website background, and quilts! You'll see what I mean when you >> look at them, I think/hope. >> Anyhow, here's the individual posters. There's one for each f, >> then there are two that have all four f's on them: >> http://duffy.fedorapeople.org/collateral/fourfs/individual%20posters/ >> Here's what they look like connected to make a bigger poster and >> what they look like lined up horizontally: >> http://duffy.fedorapeople.org/collateral/fourfs/four-fs-four- >> posters.png >> Let me know what you think. If we want to go for another look >> let's talk about the kind of look/feel we should try. Any Fedora >> Ambassadors reading this, I'd especially like to hear what >> direction you think we should go in as you're the folks with these >> posters at events competing with other booths/tables. >> ~m > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list From ianweller at gmail.com Fri Oct 24 05:44:38 2008 From: ianweller at gmail.com (Ian Weller) Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2008 00:44:38 -0500 Subject: four f's poster designs In-Reply-To: <49014F99.2080806@linuxgrrl.com> References: <49012CD1.2050007@fedoraproject.org> <20081024041416.GA2902@gmail.com> <49014F99.2080806@linuxgrrl.com> Message-ID: <20081024054429.GA3767@gmail.com> On Fri, Oct 24, 2008 at 12:31:21AM -0400, M?ir?n Duffy wrote: > I was thinking these would be printed at maybe 20"x30" or maybe larger > proportions. These are just rough cuts so they do need some padding to > fit that ratio, right now they scale to 20"x~24". At 20"x24", the two > rows of text together are (if I'm measuring right) about 1.5" tall so > I'm thinking not readable from 6 feet away. > > Do you think they'd work if we just took the text out? > > Maybe it could be resized and the little sound bites shortened even > more, into 2-3 word phrases? > Well, if those are that small, then is the text in the bubbles (i.e., 'FEATURES') large enough? Should they be reprinted at about the same transparency as the reprinted symbol for the foundation? Or something? Back on the blurbs, they can definitely be shortened. What I think they should be (mostly adapted from mo's blurbs): freedom: "freedom trumps conveinence" # bit iffy on the word 'trumps', but it's all I could think of friends: "friends around the world" features: "fedora can do it" first: "followed, not following" -- Ian Weller http://ianweller.org GnuPG fingerprint: E51E 0517 7A92 70A2 4226 B050 87ED 7C97 EFA8 4A36 "Technology is a word that describes something that doesn't work yet." ~ Douglas Adams -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 259 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From luya at fedoraproject.org Fri Oct 24 06:20:47 2008 From: luya at fedoraproject.org (Luya Tshimbalanga) Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2008 23:20:47 -0700 Subject: Echo Icon Theme Future In-Reply-To: <1224534547.8905.1.camel@pc-notebook> References: <1224516544.2981.28.camel@pc-notebook> <48FCE686.2050503@fedoraproject.org> <1224534547.8905.1.camel@pc-notebook> Message-ID: <4901693F.2020002@fedoraproject.org> > 16x16 should be definitely flat, I am still considering whether 24x24 as > well, but seeing how gnome handles that, probably not... > > Martin Since 22x22 and 24x24 appears to be the main problem, perhaps using table perspective might do the trick. Luya -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 259 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From foss.mailinglists at gmail.com Fri Oct 24 06:38:26 2008 From: foss.mailinglists at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?B?IlNhbmthcnNoYW4gKOCmuOCmmeCnjeCmleCmsOCnjeCmt+Cmoyki?=) Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2008 12:08:26 +0530 Subject: Fedora Button artwork In-Reply-To: <49014B5A.6040702@redhat.com> References: <49014B5A.6040702@redhat.com> Message-ID: <49016D62.4020706@gmail.com> M?ir?n Duffy wrote: > John Rose had a bunch of these printed up for the recent Ohio Linux Fest > and they came out well. There's printer-ready artwork here: > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/MarketingCollateral#Fedora_Buttons Ooo nice. Can I request a design that has the 4 f's written on the top curve of the button ? > One idea could also be to do a pin for each of the four Fedora f's... we > don't have designs for that yet though. That would be awesome to have though. Yes, surely very nice to have. -- http://www.gutenberg.net - Fine literature digitally re-published http://www.plos.org - Public Library of Science http://www.creativecommons.org - Flexible copyright for creative work From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Fri Oct 24 07:06:51 2008 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2008 10:06:51 +0300 Subject: Sound themes In-Reply-To: <939dd5750810231034t2d7032b7jaafc15ae411cd97d@mail.gmail.com> References: <49001C83.7040503@nicubunu.ro> <939dd5750810231034t2d7032b7jaafc15ae411cd97d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4901740B.4050002@nicubunu.ro> William Jon McCann wrote: > > However well intentioned Chris' effort may have been, the results are > not suitable for use in a high quality desktop product. Have you > actually listened to the theme that you reference here? There is > absolutely nothing wrong with creating lots of fun and creative > themes. This is exactly what Lennart and I would like to see happen. > However, at some point we have to discriminate between what is play > and what is the right choice for our product and intended audience. Yes, I listened to the theme and found it not perfect. But know what? It was NOT supposed to be perfect... the "release early, release often" mantra in FOSS is exactly that, put your work in the open as soon as possible so other can play with it, comment or contribute. How can the author improve his work without our feedback, knowing which parts are good and which suck? And I think we failed at this step: giving feedback to Chris work and not encouraging him to continue and improve it. What can I say more? You can't have your cake and eat it too, when Lennart asked publicly for as many as possible sound themes, it was expected some themes will be better and other worse, with the most of them worse at first, until the creators grow in experience - nobody is born as a master in putting together XDG sound themes. -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Fri Oct 24 08:15:33 2008 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2008 11:15:33 +0300 Subject: Fedora Button artwork In-Reply-To: <49016D62.4020706@gmail.com> References: <49014B5A.6040702@redhat.com> <49016D62.4020706@gmail.com> Message-ID: <49018425.3020005@nicubunu.ro> Sankarshan (????????) wrote: > M?ir?n Duffy wrote: > >> John Rose had a bunch of these printed up for the recent Ohio Linux Fest >> and they came out well. There's printer-ready artwork here: >> >> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/MarketingCollateral#Fedora_Buttons > > Ooo nice. Can I request a design that has the 4 f's written on the top > curve of the button ? I think Scribus hates me, It refuses to open Mo's "plain" template, so I can provide only a SVG version: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Image:Fedora-button_4f.svg PNG preview: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Image:Fedora-button_4f.png >> One idea could also be to do a pin for each of the four Fedora f's... we >> don't have designs for that yet though. > > That would be awesome to have though. Yes, surely very nice to have. Maybe using the iconography/graphic style/colors form the posters, otherwise I think it would be boring to wear 4 blue buttons, very similar with each other, only with a different word on them. -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From martin.sourada at gmail.com Fri Oct 24 09:29:33 2008 From: martin.sourada at gmail.com (Martin Sourada) Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2008 11:29:33 +0200 Subject: [Echo] New emblem-symbolic-link icon set draft In-Reply-To: <49016683.6090703@fedoraproject.org> References: <48EDABD7.2020501@fedoraproject.org> <1223628221.10532.5.camel@pc-notebook> <48F1AA8B.3060608@fedoraproject.org> <1223800924.3682.4.camel@pc-notebook> <48F96069.5040109@fedoraproject.org> <1224409362.12513.24.camel@pc-notebook> <48FC2B40.60004@fedoraproject.org> <1224487473.2981.2.camel@pc-notebook> <48FC3983.1090807@fedoraproject.org> <1224514911.2981.6.camel@pc-notebook> <49016683.6090703@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <1224840573.13201.1.camel@pc-notebook> On Thu, 2008-10-23 at 23:09 -0700, Luya Tshimbalanga wrote: > Sorry for delay. Here is updated version. 16x16 outline is darker and > should be > ready to be pushed in the tree. The contrast is much better. Only the gradient inside is now almost non-existent, could you improve that? Martin -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 197 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From foss.mailinglists at gmail.com Fri Oct 24 10:00:51 2008 From: foss.mailinglists at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?B?IlNhbmthcnNoYW4gKOCmuOCmmeCnjeCmleCmsOCnjeCmt+Cmoyki?=) Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2008 15:30:51 +0530 Subject: four f's poster designs In-Reply-To: <49012CD1.2050007@fedoraproject.org> References: <49012CD1.2050007@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <49019CD3.7050801@gmail.com> Mairin Duffy wrote: > I put together some designs for the four f's posters. They are *very* > different than our infinity freedom community ones. Yes, they are so wonderfully and awesomely different. Words would be superfluous when trying to appreciate the perspective, insight and care that went into making them. Now to put them up at the office. -- http://www.gutenberg.net - Fine literature digitally re-published http://www.plos.org - Public Library of Science http://www.creativecommons.org - Flexible copyright for creative work From jayme at jaymeayres.com Fri Oct 24 11:37:36 2008 From: jayme at jaymeayres.com (Jayme Ayres) Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2008 09:37:36 -0200 Subject: four f's poster designs In-Reply-To: <49019CD3.7050801@gmail.com> References: <49012CD1.2050007@fedoraproject.org> <49019CD3.7050801@gmail.com> Message-ID: <64b33fc70810240437o30b901f1oe0f8710bfd3943ca@mail.gmail.com> Wonderful! I like the proposed changes in color and this has meant that art is more cheerful, leaving the intensive use of the blue. I think after the palette Remix we can use more colors in posters, flyers and so on. Congratulations to you and the fine work by Nico. ;-) 2008/10/24 "Sankarshan (????????)" > Mairin Duffy wrote: > > > I put together some designs for the four f's posters. They are *very* > > different than our infinity freedom community ones. > > Yes, they are so wonderfully and awesomely different. Words would be > superfluous when trying to appreciate the perspective, insight and care > that went into making them. > > Now to put them up at the office. > > > -- > > http://www.gutenberg.net - Fine literature digitally re-published > http://www.plos.org - Public Library of Science > http://www.creativecommons.org - Flexible copyright for creative work > > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list > -- Jayme Ayres www.jaymeayres.com www.projetofedora.org http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/JaymeAyres -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From johannbg at hi.is Fri Oct 24 11:44:58 2008 From: johannbg at hi.is (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22J=F3hann_B=2E_Gu=F0mundsson=22?=) Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2008 11:44:58 +0000 Subject: Photo backgrounds. Message-ID: <4901B53A.7070805@hi.is> Do we have any rules regulations ( size provide raw output can or can not be altered etc.) and competitions about photo backgrounds that can be included in a fedora-background packages? Here are some of my photos http://www.flickr.com/photos/johannbg Have most of these ( I think everything except the LCA trip ) in raw if anyone wants to play and make a nice background for Fedora out of it.. JBG -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: johannbg.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 356 bytes Desc: not available URL: From alsadi at gmail.com Fri Oct 24 12:01:44 2008 From: alsadi at gmail.com (Muayyad AlSadi) Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2008 15:01:44 +0300 Subject: Photo backgrounds. In-Reply-To: <4901B53A.7070805@hi.is> References: <4901B53A.7070805@hi.is> Message-ID: <385866f0810240501q22a526ele384d6b87f3678b2@mail.gmail.com> I was about to say big no when I saw the first pictures because they seem to be personal and related to some locale culture later I saw this http://www.flickr.com/photos/johannbg/page53/ in general I like any picture of nature that does not show humans nor animals just blue sky and green land and maybe yellow sand I liked those http://www.flickr.com/photos/johannbg/2291946810/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/johannbg/2291184191/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/johannbg/2290426575/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/johannbg/2303525516/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/johannbg/2290514777/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/johannbg/2291316890/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/johannbg/2290660173/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/johannbg/2291418754/ From herlo1 at gmail.com Fri Oct 24 13:06:08 2008 From: herlo1 at gmail.com (Clint Savage) Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2008 07:06:08 -0600 Subject: Fedora Button artwork In-Reply-To: <49018425.3020005@nicubunu.ro> References: <49014B5A.6040702@redhat.com> <49016D62.4020706@gmail.com> <49018425.3020005@nicubunu.ro> Message-ID: On Fri, Oct 24, 2008 at 2:15 AM, Nicu Buculei wrote: > Sankarshan (????????) wrote: >> >> M?ir?n Duffy wrote: >> >>> John Rose had a bunch of these printed up for the recent Ohio Linux Fest >>> and they came out well. There's printer-ready artwork here: >>> >>> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/MarketingCollateral#Fedora_Buttons >> >> Ooo nice. Can I request a design that has the 4 f's written on the top >> curve of the button ? > > I think Scribus hates me, It refuses to open Mo's "plain" template, so I can > provide only a SVG version: > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Image:Fedora-button_4f.svg > PNG preview: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Image:Fedora-button_4f.png > >>> One idea could also be to do a pin for each of the four Fedora f's... we >>> don't have designs for that yet though. >> >> That would be awesome to have though. Yes, surely very nice to have. > > Maybe using the iconography/graphic style/colors form the posters, otherwise > I think it would be boring to wear 4 blue buttons, very similar with each > other, only with a different word on them. > > -- > nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com > Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ > Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org > my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list > Not to step on anyone's toes, but less than a month ago, I submitted some buttons that already accomplish this task. I've included the link to the reviews. https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-art-list/2008-October/msg00000.html Funny thing, I had completed the rotation Mo asked for, but never got around to uploading them, until now, so for your consideration: http://herlo.fedorapeople.org/files/fedora_four_fs_shift.png http://herlo.fedorapeople.org/files/fedora_four_fs_shift.svg Made from the previously created works. Cheers, Clint From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Fri Oct 24 13:12:21 2008 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2008 16:12:21 +0300 Subject: Fedora Button artwork In-Reply-To: References: <49014B5A.6040702@redhat.com> <49016D62.4020706@gmail.com> <49018425.3020005@nicubunu.ro> Message-ID: <4901C9B5.8040407@nicubunu.ro> Clint Savage wrote: > > Not to step on anyone's toes, but less than a month ago, I submitted > some buttons that already accomplish this task. > > I've included the link to the reviews. > > https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-art-list/2008-October/msg00000.html Yeah, but our memory is volatile, we are mere humans forget about a lot of things :p Every time to create something like this take care and upload it to the appropriate wiki page, so people find it and don't have to do the work again. -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From duffy at fedoraproject.org Fri Oct 24 13:16:08 2008 From: duffy at fedoraproject.org (=?UTF-8?B?TcOhaXLDrW4gRHVmZnk=?=) Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2008 09:16:08 -0400 Subject: Fedora Button artwork In-Reply-To: <49018425.3020005@nicubunu.ro> References: <49014B5A.6040702@redhat.com> <49016D62.4020706@gmail.com> <49018425.3020005@nicubunu.ro> Message-ID: <4901CA98.20109@fedoraproject.org> Nicu Buculei wrote: > Sankarshan (????????) wrote: >> M?ir?n Duffy wrote: >> >>> John Rose had a bunch of these printed up for the recent Ohio Linux Fest >>> and they came out well. There's printer-ready artwork here: >>> >>> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/MarketingCollateral#Fedora_Buttons >> >> Ooo nice. Can I request a design that has the 4 f's written on the top >> curve of the button ? > > I think Scribus hates me, It refuses to open Mo's "plain" template, so I > can provide only a SVG version: Are you using the Fedora version of Scribus? I'm using mrdocs' which is slightly newer from SVN, maybe that is why? (If not, I wonder why it doesn't open for you :() ~m From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Fri Oct 24 13:24:56 2008 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2008 16:24:56 +0300 Subject: Fedora Button artwork In-Reply-To: <4901CA98.20109@fedoraproject.org> References: <49014B5A.6040702@redhat.com> <49016D62.4020706@gmail.com> <49018425.3020005@nicubunu.ro> <4901CA98.20109@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <4901CCA8.20004@nicubunu.ro> M?ir?n Duffy wrote: > > Are you using the Fedora version of Scribus? I'm using > mrdocs' which is slightly newer from SVN, maybe that is why? Yeah, that must be... and not when you say it, I remember you said it also back when created the design. > (If not, I wonder why it doesn't open for you :() -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From herlo1 at gmail.com Fri Oct 24 13:35:58 2008 From: herlo1 at gmail.com (Clint Savage) Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2008 07:35:58 -0600 Subject: Fedora Button artwork In-Reply-To: <4901C9B5.8040407@nicubunu.ro> References: <49014B5A.6040702@redhat.com> <49016D62.4020706@gmail.com> <49018425.3020005@nicubunu.ro> <4901C9B5.8040407@nicubunu.ro> Message-ID: On Fri, Oct 24, 2008 at 7:12 AM, Nicu Buculei wrote: > Clint Savage wrote: >> >> Not to step on anyone's toes, but less than a month ago, I submitted >> some buttons that already accomplish this task. >> >> I've included the link to the reviews. >> >> https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-art-list/2008-October/msg00000.html > > Yeah, but our memory is volatile, we are mere humans forget about a lot of > things :p > Every time to create something like this take care and upload it to the > appropriate wiki page, so people find it and don't have to do the work > again. No argument and I didn't mean to offend, so if I have, I apologize. However, I would upload it to the wiki except that I was told I must go through an approval process for my first bit of artwork. I wasn't told whether it was approved or not, so I didn't upload and also why it's not there yet. Cheers, Clint From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Fri Oct 24 13:47:48 2008 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2008 16:47:48 +0300 Subject: Fedora Button artwork In-Reply-To: References: <49014B5A.6040702@redhat.com> <49016D62.4020706@gmail.com> <49018425.3020005@nicubunu.ro> <4901C9B5.8040407@nicubunu.ro> Message-ID: <4901D204.6040207@nicubunu.ro> Clint Savage wrote: > > No argument and I didn't mean to offend, so if I have, I apologize. > However, I would upload it to the wiki except that I was told I must > go through an approval process for my first bit of artwork. I wasn't > told whether it was approved or not, so I didn't upload and also why > it's not there yet. Sorry, I do not remember the context, but now you *are* member of the Art group (probably you already received the mails from FAS). -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From rstrode at redhat.com Fri Oct 24 13:49:43 2008 From: rstrode at redhat.com (Ray Strode) Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2008 09:49:43 -0400 Subject: Bug 468277 - Solar: progress bar seems out of place Message-ID: <4901D277.50407@redhat.com> Hi guys, Plymouth recently got a bug report about the progress bar in the Solar boot plugin. The styling of the progress bar doesn't really match the surrounding artwork. Charlie mentioned on the bug report that this was to match the Nodoka theme. I think it doesn't really work because progress bars in Nodoka are normally on a solid gray background surrounded by other on screen controls. Do you guys think that you could do a more stylized one that fits in with the surrounding artwork? Charlie had a prototype idea here: http://www.cs.man.ac.uk/~brejc8/temp/progress_bar.jpg what we have now is this: http://www.cs.man.ac.uk/~brejc8/temp/progress_bar2.jpg >From a comment on the bug report, I think this thread may be a rehash of an old discussion, but I can't find it in the archives. --Ray From duffy at fedoraproject.org Fri Oct 24 13:55:55 2008 From: duffy at fedoraproject.org (=?UTF-8?B?TcOhaXLDrW4gRHVmZnk=?=) Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2008 09:55:55 -0400 Subject: Bug 468277 - Solar: progress bar seems out of place In-Reply-To: <4901D277.50407@redhat.com> References: <4901D277.50407@redhat.com> Message-ID: <4901D3EB.9040205@fedoraproject.org> Ray Strode wrote: > Hi guys, > > Plymouth recently got a bug report about the progress bar in the Solar > boot plugin. The styling of the progress bar doesn't really match the > surrounding artwork. > > Charlie mentioned on the bug report that this was to match the Nodoka > theme. I think it doesn't really work because progress bars in Nodoka > are normally on a solid gray background surrounded by other on screen > controls. > > Do you guys think that you could do a more stylized one that fits in > with the surrounding artwork? > > Charlie had a prototype idea here: > > http://www.cs.man.ac.uk/~brejc8/temp/progress_bar.jpg > > > what we have now is this: > > http://www.cs.man.ac.uk/~brejc8/temp/progress_bar2.jpg I like Charlie's prototype, can we use that? ~m From herlo1 at gmail.com Fri Oct 24 14:06:28 2008 From: herlo1 at gmail.com (Clint Savage) Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2008 08:06:28 -0600 Subject: Fedora Button artwork In-Reply-To: <4901D204.6040207@nicubunu.ro> References: <49014B5A.6040702@redhat.com> <49016D62.4020706@gmail.com> <49018425.3020005@nicubunu.ro> <4901C9B5.8040407@nicubunu.ro> <4901D204.6040207@nicubunu.ro> Message-ID: On Fri, Oct 24, 2008 at 7:47 AM, Nicu Buculei wrote: > Clint Savage wrote: >> >> No argument and I didn't mean to offend, so if I have, I apologize. >> However, I would upload it to the wiki except that I was told I must >> go through an approval process for my first bit of artwork. I wasn't >> told whether it was approved or not, so I didn't upload and also why >> it's not there yet. > > Sorry, I do not remember the context, but now you *are* member of the Art > group (probably you already received the mails from FAS). > Nicu, Yes, I see it, thank you. Now I can contribute more. I'll happily put the buttons up on the wiki sometime today. Cheers, Clint From johannbg at hi.is Fri Oct 24 14:09:25 2008 From: johannbg at hi.is (=?UTF-8?B?IkrDs2hhbm4gQi4gR3XDsG11bmRzc29uIg==?=) Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2008 14:09:25 +0000 Subject: Bug 468277 - Solar: progress bar seems out of place In-Reply-To: <4901D3EB.9040205@fedoraproject.org> References: <4901D277.50407@redhat.com> <4901D3EB.9040205@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <4901D715.6080608@hi.is> M?ir?n Duffy wrote: > Ray Strode wrote: > >> Hi guys, >> >> Plymouth recently got a bug report about the progress bar in the Solar >> boot plugin. The styling of the progress bar doesn't really match the >> surrounding artwork. >> >> Charlie mentioned on the bug report that this was to match the Nodoka >> theme. I think it doesn't really work because progress bars in Nodoka >> are normally on a solid gray background surrounded by other on screen >> controls. >> >> Do you guys think that you could do a more stylized one that fits in >> with the surrounding artwork? >> >> Charlie had a prototype idea here: >> >> http://www.cs.man.ac.uk/~brejc8/temp/progress_bar.jpg >> >> >> what we have now is this: >> >> http://www.cs.man.ac.uk/~brejc8/temp/progress_bar2.jpg >> > > I like Charlie's prototype, can we use that? > > ~m > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list > If the planets are rotating around the "sun" then that should be enough. I say skip the progress bar... " Since it is, in general, impossible to know how long service startup will take, we lie. We record the time it took to boot last time and run the progress bar against that. There's a detail here which is that you can't know that until you've mounted /, so we estimate something really long initially and then once we load the time off the disk we lerp between the estimate and the recorded time. We also cheat in that the growth of the progress bar is intentionally nonlinear, growing faster early and then slowing down towards the end. This fools your brain into thinking it's going faster than it really is. Usually the math works out such that you'll see the bar fully complete for a second or two before switching to gdm or text console. But, sometimes much longer, if this boot happens to take ten seconds longer than last one then there's just not much we can do about that. - ajax" JBG https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-test-list/2008-October/msg00925.html -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: johannbg.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 372 bytes Desc: not available URL: From rstrode at redhat.com Fri Oct 24 14:19:15 2008 From: rstrode at redhat.com (Ray Strode) Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2008 10:19:15 -0400 Subject: Bug 468277 - Solar: progress bar seems out of place In-Reply-To: <4901D715.6080608@hi.is> References: <4901D277.50407@redhat.com> <4901D3EB.9040205@fedoraproject.org> <4901D715.6080608@hi.is> Message-ID: <4901D963.1060207@redhat.com> Hi, > If the planets are rotating around the "sun" then that should be enough. > I say skip the progress bar... There are no planets anymore. They weren't a very intuitive indication of boot progress. Boot progress is pretty reliable now (thanks to Charlie), so a progress bar is pretty important I think. --Ray From fedora-art at brej.org Fri Oct 24 14:21:07 2008 From: fedora-art at brej.org (Charlie Brej) Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2008 15:21:07 +0100 Subject: Bug 468277 - Solar: progress bar seems out of place In-Reply-To: <4901D715.6080608@hi.is> References: <4901D277.50407@redhat.com> <4901D3EB.9040205@fedoraproject.org> <4901D715.6080608@hi.is> Message-ID: <4901D9D3.3080604@brej.org> J?hann B. Gu?mundsson wrote: > M?ir?n Duffy wrote: >> Ray Strode wrote: >> >>> Hi guys, >>> >>> Plymouth recently got a bug report about the progress bar in the Solar >>> boot plugin. The styling of the progress bar doesn't really match the >>> surrounding artwork. >>> >>> Charlie mentioned on the bug report that this was to match the Nodoka >>> theme. I think it doesn't really work because progress bars in Nodoka >>> are normally on a solid gray background surrounded by other on screen >>> controls. >>> >>> Do you guys think that you could do a more stylized one that fits in >>> with the surrounding artwork? >>> >>> Charlie had a prototype idea here: >>> >>> http://www.cs.man.ac.uk/~brejc8/temp/progress_bar.jpg >>> >>> >>> what we have now is this: >>> >>> http://www.cs.man.ac.uk/~brejc8/temp/progress_bar2.jpg >>> >> >> I like Charlie's prototype, can we use that? >> >> ~m >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Fedora-art-list mailing list >> Fedora-art-list at redhat.com >> http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list >> > If the planets are rotating around the "sun" then that should be enough. > I say skip the progress bar... > Actually the planets are no longer there because they dont give a clear indication of the progress. I removed them since taking the screenshots. I'm just playing with using the planet image but its not that good: http://www.cs.man.ac.uk/~brejc8/temp/progress_bar3.jpg From rstrode at redhat.com Fri Oct 24 14:23:25 2008 From: rstrode at redhat.com (Ray Strode) Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2008 10:23:25 -0400 Subject: Bug 468277 - Solar: progress bar seems out of place In-Reply-To: <4901D3EB.9040205@fedoraproject.org> References: <4901D277.50407@redhat.com> <4901D3EB.9040205@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <4901DA5D.8080307@redhat.com> Hi, > > Plymouth recently got a bug report about the progress bar in the Solar > > boot plugin. The styling of the progress bar doesn't really match the > > surrounding artwork. > > > > Charlie mentioned on the bug report that this was to match the Nodoka > > theme. I think it doesn't really work because progress bars in Nodoka > > are normally on a solid gray background surrounded by other on screen > > controls. > > > > Do you guys think that you could do a more stylized one that fits in > > with the surrounding artwork? > > > > Charlie had a prototype idea here: > > > > http://www.cs.man.ac.uk/~brejc8/temp/progress_bar.jpg > > > > > > what we have now is this: > > > > http://www.cs.man.ac.uk/~brejc8/temp/progress_bar2.jpg > > I like Charlie's prototype, can we use that? I'm okay with it. What do other people think? --Ray From duffy at fedoraproject.org Fri Oct 24 14:38:26 2008 From: duffy at fedoraproject.org (=?UTF-8?B?TcOhaXLDrW4gRHVmZnk=?=) Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2008 10:38:26 -0400 Subject: Bug 468277 - Solar: progress bar seems out of place In-Reply-To: <4901D9D3.3080604@brej.org> References: <4901D277.50407@redhat.com> <4901D3EB.9040205@fedoraproject.org> <4901D715.6080608@hi.is> <4901D9D3.3080604@brej.org> Message-ID: <4901DDE2.9080408@fedoraproject.org> Hey Charlie, Charlie Brej wrote: > Actually the planets are no longer there because they dont give a clear > indication of the progress. I removed them since taking the screenshots. > I'm just playing with using the planet image but its not that good: > http://www.cs.man.ac.uk/~brejc8/temp/progress_bar3.jpg Can you use the white version of the Fedora logotype instead of the blue? We don't normally allow a glow behind the logo. I'll send you a copy of the white logo privately. If there isn't enough contrast for the logomark/infinity symbol in the upper left corner mraybe try the lower left corner? What kind of specifications do you have for the artwork for the progress bar? Can you use just a flat image for the background? I could take a shot at putting something together? ~m From jreznik at redhat.com Fri Oct 24 14:46:14 2008 From: jreznik at redhat.com (Jaroslav Reznik) Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2008 10:46:14 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Bug 468277 - Solar: progress bar seems out of place In-Reply-To: <4901DDE2.9080408@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <71383925.3318341224859574413.JavaMail.root@zmail02.collab.prod.int.phx2.redhat.com> ----- "M?ir?n Duffy" wrote: > Hey Charlie, > > Charlie Brej wrote: > > Actually the planets are no longer there because they dont give a > clear > > indication of the progress. I removed them since taking the > screenshots. > > I'm just playing with using the planet image but its not that good: > > http://www.cs.man.ac.uk/~brejc8/temp/progress_bar3.jpg > > Can you use the white version of the Fedora logotype instead > of the blue? We don't normally allow a glow behind the logo. > I'll send you a copy of the white logo privately. If there > isn't enough contrast for the logomark/infinity symbol in > the upper left corner mraybe try the lower left corner? > > What kind of specifications do you have for the artwork for > the progress bar? Can you use just a flat image for the > background? I could take a shot at putting something together? For KDE splash we have small progress bar which should evoke comet in the space with Fedora logo. And of course there are other small comets and stars flashing around :) Just like Solar system ;-) http://img367.imageshack.us/img367/8924/screenshot1xq4.png R. --- Jaroslav Reznik Software Engineer - Base OS Core Services Brno Red Hat, Inc. +420 532 294 275 > > ~m > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list From rstrode at redhat.com Fri Oct 24 14:52:20 2008 From: rstrode at redhat.com (Ray Strode) Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2008 10:52:20 -0400 Subject: Bug 468277 - Solar: progress bar seems out of place In-Reply-To: <71383925.3318341224859574413.JavaMail.root@zmail02.collab.prod.int.phx2.redhat.com> References: <71383925.3318341224859574413.JavaMail.root@zmail02.collab.prod.int.phx2.redhat.com> Message-ID: <4901E124.1000004@redhat.com> Hi, > For KDE splash we have small progress bar which should evoke > comet in the space with Fedora logo. And of course there > are other small comets and stars flashing around :) > Just like Solar system ;-) > > http://img367.imageshack.us/img367/8924/screenshot1xq4.png > That's a cool idea. --Ray From duffy at fedoraproject.org Fri Oct 24 14:53:24 2008 From: duffy at fedoraproject.org (=?UTF-8?B?TcOhaXLDrW4gRHVmZnk=?=) Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2008 10:53:24 -0400 Subject: Bug 468277 - Solar: progress bar seems out of place In-Reply-To: <71383925.3318341224859574413.JavaMail.root@zmail02.collab.prod.int.phx2.redhat.com> References: <71383925.3318341224859574413.JavaMail.root@zmail02.collab.prod.int.phx2.redhat.com> Message-ID: <4901E164.70204@fedoraproject.org> Jaroslav Reznik wrote: > ----- "M?ir?n Duffy" wrote: > >> Hey Charlie, >> >> Charlie Brej wrote: >>> Actually the planets are no longer there because they dont give a >> clear >>> indication of the progress. I removed them since taking the >> screenshots. >>> I'm just playing with using the planet image but its not that good: >>> http://www.cs.man.ac.uk/~brejc8/temp/progress_bar3.jpg >> Can you use the white version of the Fedora logotype instead >> of the blue? We don't normally allow a glow behind the logo. >> I'll send you a copy of the white logo privately. If there >> isn't enough contrast for the logomark/infinity symbol in >> the upper left corner mraybe try the lower left corner? >> >> What kind of specifications do you have for the artwork for >> the progress bar? Can you use just a flat image for the >> background? I could take a shot at putting something together? > > For KDE splash we have small progress bar which should evoke > comet in the space with Fedora logo. And of course there > are other small comets and stars flashing around :) > Just like Solar system ;-) > > http://img367.imageshack.us/img367/8924/screenshot1xq4.png Oooh! Actually that one is my favorite. Is that something you could do, Charlie? ~m From fedora-art at brej.org Fri Oct 24 14:55:00 2008 From: fedora-art at brej.org (Charlie Brej) Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2008 15:55:00 +0100 Subject: Bug 468277 - Solar: progress bar seems out of place In-Reply-To: <4901DDE2.9080408@fedoraproject.org> References: <4901D277.50407@redhat.com> <4901D3EB.9040205@fedoraproject.org> <4901D715.6080608@hi.is> <4901D9D3.3080604@brej.org> <4901DDE2.9080408@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <4901E1C4.2000009@brej.org> M?ir?n Duffy wrote: > Hey Charlie, > > Charlie Brej wrote: >> Actually the planets are no longer there because they dont give a clear >> indication of the progress. I removed them since taking the screenshots. >> I'm just playing with using the planet image but its not that good: >> http://www.cs.man.ac.uk/~brejc8/temp/progress_bar3.jpg > > Can you use the white version of the Fedora logotype instead > of the blue? We don't normally allow a glow behind the logo. > I'll send you a copy of the white logo privately. If there > isn't enough contrast for the logomark/infinity symbol in > the upper left corner mraybe try the lower left corner? That actually is a packaging issue, the logo used is picked from /usr/pixmaps/fedora-logo-small.png. Here is how it would look (ignore the progress bar). http://www.cs.man.ac.uk/~brejc8/temp/progress_bar4.jpg If you want it like that then inform the packager to add the image into the rpm as we can't have it in the upstream. > What kind of specifications do you have for the artwork for > the progress bar? Can you use just a flat image for the > background? I could take a shot at putting something together? The progress bar is composed of two png images (the box and the bar) which have the center pixel column stretched. the nodoka example is attached. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I removed them since taking the >>> screenshots. >>>> I'm just playing with using the planet image but its not that good: >>>> http://www.cs.man.ac.uk/~brejc8/temp/progress_bar3.jpg >>> Can you use the white version of the Fedora logotype instead >>> of the blue? We don't normally allow a glow behind the logo. >>> I'll send you a copy of the white logo privately. If there >>> isn't enough contrast for the logomark/infinity symbol in >>> the upper left corner mraybe try the lower left corner? >>> >>> What kind of specifications do you have for the artwork for >>> the progress bar? Can you use just a flat image for the >>> background? I could take a shot at putting something together? >> For KDE splash we have small progress bar which should evoke >> comet in the space with Fedora logo. And of course there >> are other small comets and stars flashing around :) >> Just like Solar system ;-) >> >> http://img367.imageshack.us/img367/8924/screenshot1xq4.png > > Oooh! Actually that one is my favorite. Is that something > you could do, Charlie? > > ~m > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list Yeah. Could be possible although I will need to ammend the code a little. Jaroslav could you take a few more shots with the bar at different levels so I can get an idea of how it progresses? From rstrode at redhat.com Fri Oct 24 15:04:54 2008 From: rstrode at redhat.com (Ray Strode) Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2008 11:04:54 -0400 Subject: Bug 468277 - Solar: progress bar seems out of place In-Reply-To: <4901E1C4.2000009@brej.org> References: <4901D277.50407@redhat.com> <4901D3EB.9040205@fedoraproject.org> <4901D715.6080608@hi.is> <4901D9D3.3080604@brej.org> <4901DDE2.9080408@fedoraproject.org> <4901E1C4.2000009@brej.org> Message-ID: <4901E416.9090003@redhat.com> Hi, > > That actually is a packaging issue, the logo used is picked from > /usr/pixmaps/fedora-logo-small.png. shouldn't be. we configure --with-logo=/usr/share/pixmaps/system-logo-white.png --Ray From duffy at fedoraproject.org Fri Oct 24 15:14:54 2008 From: duffy at fedoraproject.org (=?UTF-8?B?TcOhaXLDrW4gRHVmZnk=?=) Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2008 11:14:54 -0400 Subject: Bug 468277 - Solar: progress bar seems out of place In-Reply-To: <4901E416.9090003@redhat.com> References: <4901D277.50407@redhat.com> <4901D3EB.9040205@fedoraproject.org> <4901D715.6080608@hi.is> <4901D9D3.3080604@brej.org> <4901DDE2.9080408@fedoraproject.org> <4901E1C4.2000009@brej.org> <4901E416.9090003@redhat.com> Message-ID: <4901E66E.3080303@fedoraproject.org> Ray Strode wrote: > Hi, >> >> That actually is a packaging issue, the logo used is picked from >> /usr/pixmaps/fedora-logo-small.png. > shouldn't be. we configure > --with-logo=/usr/share/pixmaps/system-logo-white.png I just asked spot to add this to the fedora-logos package. It looks like this on a dark blue background: http://duffy.fedorapeople.org/temp/fedoralogo_white_shaded2.png this is what will be packaged though: http://duffy.fedorapeople.org/temp/fedoralogo_white_shaded.png Is this something that will work against the background Charlie? (If not I can try a few tricks to make it stand out) I asked spot to have it install at: /usr/share/pixmaps/fedora-logo-fancy.png What do you think? ~m From rstrode at redhat.com Fri Oct 24 15:18:23 2008 From: rstrode at redhat.com (Ray Strode) Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2008 11:18:23 -0400 Subject: Bug 468277 - Solar: progress bar seems out of place In-Reply-To: <4901E66E.3080303@fedoraproject.org> References: <4901D277.50407@redhat.com> <4901D3EB.9040205@fedoraproject.org> <4901D715.6080608@hi.is> <4901D9D3.3080604@brej.org> <4901DDE2.9080408@fedoraproject.org> <4901E1C4.2000009@brej.org> <4901E416.9090003@redhat.com> <4901E66E.3080303@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <4901E73F.9050001@redhat.com> Hi, > >> > >> That actually is a packaging issue, the logo used is picked from > >> /usr/pixmaps/fedora-logo-small.png. > > shouldn't be. we configure > > --with-logo=/usr/share/pixmaps/system-logo-white.png > > I just asked spot to add this to the fedora-logos package. > It looks like this on a dark blue background: > http://duffy.fedorapeople.org/temp/fedoralogo_white_shaded2.png > > this is what will be packaged though: > http://duffy.fedorapeople.org/temp/fedoralogo_white_shaded.png > > Is this something that will work against the background > Charlie? (If not I can try a few tricks to make it stand out) > > I asked spot to have it install at: > /usr/share/pixmaps/fedora-logo-fancy.png > We already have a white logo in fedora logos. Charlie was using a custom built plymouth and his build was built against the wrong logo. --Ray From duffy at fedoraproject.org Fri Oct 24 15:21:55 2008 From: duffy at fedoraproject.org (=?UTF-8?B?TcOhaXLDrW4gRHVmZnk=?=) Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2008 11:21:55 -0400 Subject: Bug 468277 - Solar: progress bar seems out of place In-Reply-To: <4901E73F.9050001@redhat.com> References: <4901D277.50407@redhat.com> <4901D3EB.9040205@fedoraproject.org> <4901D715.6080608@hi.is> <4901D9D3.3080604@brej.org> <4901DDE2.9080408@fedoraproject.org> <4901E1C4.2000009@brej.org> <4901E416.9090003@redhat.com> <4901E66E.3080303@fedoraproject.org> <4901E73F.9050001@redhat.com> Message-ID: <4901E813.40607@fedoraproject.org> Ray Strode wrote: > Hi, >> >> >> >> That actually is a packaging issue, the logo used is picked from >> >> /usr/pixmaps/fedora-logo-small.png. >> > shouldn't be. we configure >> > --with-logo=/usr/share/pixmaps/system-logo-white.png >> >> I just asked spot to add this to the fedora-logos package. >> It looks like this on a dark blue background: >> http://duffy.fedorapeople.org/temp/fedoralogo_white_shaded2.png >> >> this is what will be packaged though: >> http://duffy.fedorapeople.org/temp/fedoralogo_white_shaded.png >> >> Is this something that will work against the background >> Charlie? (If not I can try a few tricks to make it stand out) >> >> I asked spot to have it install at: >> /usr/share/pixmaps/fedora-logo-fancy.png ooh switch that to /usr/share/pixmaps/logo-fancy.png (so its easier to de-brand) >> > We already have a white logo in fedora logos. Charlie was using a > custom built plymouth and his build was built against the wrong logo. But it's not FANCY! Is it? :)? ~m From jreznik at redhat.com Fri Oct 24 15:30:38 2008 From: jreznik at redhat.com (Jaroslav Reznik) Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2008 11:30:38 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Bug 468277 - Solar: progress bar seems out of place In-Reply-To: <4901E267.5020003@brej.org> Message-ID: <1526068708.3350111224862237852.JavaMail.root@zmail02.collab.prod.int.phx2.redhat.com> Jaroslav Reznik Software Engineer - Base OS Core Services Brno Red Hat, Inc. +420 532 294 275 ----- "Charlie Brej" wrote: > M?ir?n Duffy wrote: > > Jaroslav Reznik wrote: > >> ----- "M?ir?n Duffy" wrote: > >> > >>> Hey Charlie, > >>> > >>> Charlie Brej wrote: > >>>> Actually the planets are no longer there because they dont give > a > >>> clear > >>>> indication of the progress. I removed them since taking the > >>> screenshots. > >>>> I'm just playing with using the planet image but its not that > good: > >>>> http://www.cs.man.ac.uk/~brejc8/temp/progress_bar3.jpg > >>> Can you use the white version of the Fedora logotype instead > >>> of the blue? We don't normally allow a glow behind the logo. > >>> I'll send you a copy of the white logo privately. If there > >>> isn't enough contrast for the logomark/infinity symbol in > >>> the upper left corner mraybe try the lower left corner? > >>> > >>> What kind of specifications do you have for the artwork for > >>> the progress bar? Can you use just a flat image for the > >>> background? I could take a shot at putting something together? > >> For KDE splash we have small progress bar which should evoke > >> comet in the space with Fedora logo. And of course there > >> are other small comets and stars flashing around :) > >> Just like Solar system ;-) > >> > >> http://img367.imageshack.us/img367/8924/screenshot1xq4.png > > > > Oooh! Actually that one is my favorite. Is that something > > you could do, Charlie? > > > > ~m > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Fedora-art-list mailing list > > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list > > Yeah. Could be possible although I will need to ammend the code a > little. > Jaroslav could you take a few more shots with the bar at different > levels so I can get an idea of how it progresses? > I have to leave now, maybe later. Sorry. But now you have progress images so you can try it inkscape :) Nice to see you like my idea! R. > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list From rstrode at redhat.com Fri Oct 24 15:34:32 2008 From: rstrode at redhat.com (Ray Strode) Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2008 11:34:32 -0400 Subject: Bug 468277 - Solar: progress bar seems out of place In-Reply-To: <4901E813.40607@fedoraproject.org> References: <4901D277.50407@redhat.com> <4901D3EB.9040205@fedoraproject.org> <4901D715.6080608@hi.is> <4901D9D3.3080604@brej.org> <4901DDE2.9080408@fedoraproject.org> <4901E1C4.2000009@brej.org> <4901E416.9090003@redhat.com> <4901E66E.3080303@fedoraproject.org> <4901E73F.9050001@redhat.com> <4901E813.40607@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <4901EB08.8000404@redhat.com> Hi, > >> >> That actually is a packaging issue, the logo used is picked from > >> >> /usr/pixmaps/fedora-logo-small.png. > >> > shouldn't be. we configure > >> > --with-logo=/usr/share/pixmaps/system-logo-white.png > >> > >> I just asked spot to add this to the fedora-logos package. > >> It looks like this on a dark blue background: > >> http://duffy.fedorapeople.org/temp/fedoralogo_white_shaded2.png > >> > >> this is what will be packaged though: > >> http://duffy.fedorapeople.org/temp/fedoralogo_white_shaded.png > >> > >> Is this something that will work against the background > >> Charlie? (If not I can try a few tricks to make it stand out) > >> > >> I asked spot to have it install at: > >> /usr/share/pixmaps/fedora-logo-fancy.png > > ooh switch that to /usr/share/pixmaps/logo-fancy.png (so its > easier to de-brand) > >> > > We already have a white logo in fedora logos. Charlie was using a > > custom built plymouth and his build was built against the wrong logo. > > But it's not FANCY! Is it? :)? > It's pretty fancy: http://rstrode.fedorapeople.org/system-logo-white.png We could update it to be yours, but I don't think we should have both. --Ray From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Fri Oct 24 15:38:27 2008 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2008 18:38:27 +0300 Subject: Bug 468277 - Solar: progress bar seems out of place In-Reply-To: <4901E66E.3080303@fedoraproject.org> References: <4901D277.50407@redhat.com> <4901D3EB.9040205@fedoraproject.org> <4901D715.6080608@hi.is> <4901D9D3.3080604@brej.org> <4901DDE2.9080408@fedoraproject.org> <4901E1C4.2000009@brej.org> <4901E416.9090003@redhat.com> <4901E66E.3080303@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <4901EBF3.8060708@nicubunu.ro> M?ir?n Duffy wrote: > I just asked spot to add this to the fedora-logos package. > It looks like this on a dark blue background: > http://duffy.fedorapeople.org/temp/fedoralogo_white_shaded2.png > > this is what will be packaged though: > http://duffy.fedorapeople.org/temp/fedoralogo_white_shaded.png > > Is this something that will work against the background > Charlie? (If not I can try a few tricks to make it stand out) > > I asked spot to have it install at: > /usr/share/pixmaps/fedora-logo-fancy.png > > What do you think? Indeed, they are fancy, but will you change the logo guidelines to allow them? -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From duffy at fedoraproject.org Fri Oct 24 15:42:18 2008 From: duffy at fedoraproject.org (=?UTF-8?B?TcOhaXLDrW4gRHVmZnk=?=) Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2008 11:42:18 -0400 Subject: Bug 468277 - Solar: progress bar seems out of place In-Reply-To: <4901EBF3.8060708@nicubunu.ro> References: <4901D277.50407@redhat.com> <4901D3EB.9040205@fedoraproject.org> <4901D715.6080608@hi.is> <4901D9D3.3080604@brej.org> <4901DDE2.9080408@fedoraproject.org> <4901E1C4.2000009@brej.org> <4901E416.9090003@redhat.com> <4901E66E.3080303@fedoraproject.org> <4901EBF3.8060708@nicubunu.ro> Message-ID: <4901ECDA.7050904@fedoraproject.org> Nicu Buculei wrote: > M?ir?n Duffy wrote: >> I just asked spot to add this to the fedora-logos package. >> It looks like this on a dark blue background: >> http://duffy.fedorapeople.org/temp/fedoralogo_white_shaded2.png >> >> this is what will be packaged though: >> http://duffy.fedorapeople.org/temp/fedoralogo_white_shaded.png >> >> Is this something that will work against the background >> Charlie? (If not I can try a few tricks to make it stand out) >> >> I asked spot to have it install at: >> /usr/share/pixmaps/fedora-logo-fancy.png >> >> What do you think? > > Indeed, they are fancy, but will you change the logo guidelines to allow > them? Right now I approve this on a case-by-case basis (the one Ray sent me though, I'm not sure where it comes from but it was never submitted for approval) I think rather than changing the guidelines, what we should do is decide on one we like and just make it a standard that is part of the guidelines and shipped in the logo packs we send out. I think there is too much room for error for bad gradients so we should just say, don't do it unless you use this one kind of thing. What do you think? ~m From rstrode at redhat.com Fri Oct 24 15:47:40 2008 From: rstrode at redhat.com (Ray Strode) Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2008 11:47:40 -0400 Subject: Bug 468277 - Solar: progress bar seems out of place In-Reply-To: <4901EB08.8000404@redhat.com> References: <4901D277.50407@redhat.com> <4901D3EB.9040205@fedoraproject.org> <4901D715.6080608@hi.is> <4901D9D3.3080604@brej.org> <4901DDE2.9080408@fedoraproject.org> <4901E1C4.2000009@brej.org> <4901E416.9090003@redhat.com> <4901E66E.3080303@fedoraproject.org> <4901E73F.9050001@redhat.com> <4901E813.40607@fedoraproject.org> <4901EB08.8000404@redhat.com> Message-ID: <4901EE1C.7020101@redhat.com> Hi again, >> >> >> That actually is a packaging issue, the logo used is picked from >> >> >> /usr/pixmaps/fedora-logo-small.png. >> >> > shouldn't be. we configure >> >> > --with-logo=/usr/share/pixmaps/system-logo-white.png >> >> >> >> I just asked spot to add this to the fedora-logos package. >> >> It looks like this on a dark blue background: >> >> http://duffy.fedorapeople.org/temp/fedoralogo_white_shaded2.png >> >> >> >> this is what will be packaged though: >> >> http://duffy.fedorapeople.org/temp/fedoralogo_white_shaded.png >> >> >> >> Is this something that will work against the background >> >> Charlie? (If not I can try a few tricks to make it stand out) >> >> >> >> I asked spot to have it install at: >> >> /usr/share/pixmaps/fedora-logo-fancy.png >> >> ooh switch that to /usr/share/pixmaps/logo-fancy.png (so its >> easier to de-brand) >> >> > We already have a white logo in fedora logos. Charlie was >> using a >> > custom built plymouth and his build was built against the wrong logo. >> >> But it's not FANCY! Is it? :)? >> > It's pretty fancy: > > http://rstrode.fedorapeople.org/system-logo-white.png > > We could update it to be yours, but I don't think we should have both. Here are the two on a background similar to the boot screen: http://rstrode.fedorapeople.org/Screenshot-1.png http://rstrode.fedorapeople.org/Screenshot-2.png --Ray From duffy at fedoraproject.org Fri Oct 24 15:58:07 2008 From: duffy at fedoraproject.org (=?UTF-8?B?TcOhaXLDrW4gRHVmZnk=?=) Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2008 11:58:07 -0400 Subject: Bug 468277 - Solar: progress bar seems out of place In-Reply-To: <4901EE1C.7020101@redhat.com> References: <4901D277.50407@redhat.com> <4901D3EB.9040205@fedoraproject.org> <4901D715.6080608@hi.is> <4901D9D3.3080604@brej.org> <4901DDE2.9080408@fedoraproject.org> <4901E1C4.2000009@brej.org> <4901E416.9090003@redhat.com> <4901E66E.3080303@fedoraproject.org> <4901E73F.9050001@redhat.com> <4901E813.40607@fedoraproject.org> <4901EB08.8000404@redhat.com> <4901EE1C.7020101@redhat.com> Message-ID: <4901F08F.6040806@fedoraproject.org> Ray Strode wrote: >> We could update it to be yours, but I don't think we should have both. > Here are the two on a background similar to the boot screen: > > http://rstrode.fedorapeople.org/Screenshot-1.png > http://rstrode.fedorapeople.org/Screenshot-2.png screenshot 2 totally fades into the backgruond in the upper left corner of the fedora logo. i think we should go with the one in screenshot 1. ~m From rdieter at math.unl.edu Fri Oct 24 16:20:58 2008 From: rdieter at math.unl.edu (Rex Dieter) Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2008 11:20:58 -0500 Subject: Bug 468277 - Solar: progress bar seems out of place References: <71383925.3318341224859574413.JavaMail.root@zmail02.collab.prod.int.phx2.redhat.com> <4901E164.70204@fedoraproject.org> <4901E267.5020003@brej.org> Message-ID: Charlie Brej wrote: > Yeah. Could be possible although I will need to ammend the code a little. > Jaroslav could you take a few more shots with the bar at different > levels so I can get an idea of how it progresses? Here's a quick-n-dirty screencast: http://rdieter.fedorapeople.org/SolarComet-ksplash-1.ogg -- Rex From ianweller at gmail.com Fri Oct 24 17:33:16 2008 From: ianweller at gmail.com (Ian Weller) Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2008 12:33:16 -0500 Subject: Proposal: Wallpaper extras submission/packaging procedure Message-ID: <20081024173316.GA7335@gmail.com> The current gallery system for the Wallpaper Extras -- https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/Wallpaper_Extras isn't working. It doesn't do us good for keeping track of attributions, especially if we start taking lots of outside contributions from Flickr or the like (which I plan on doing soon). I propose the following method for controlling the wallpaper extras: The entire wallpaper extras framework for submission and tracking will be on the wiki, through MediaWiki's category system. The main category will be [[Category:Wallpaper extras]], which will contain only other categories and unsorted wallpapers. Subcategories to that will be along the lines of [[Category:Abstract wallpaper extras]], which can also contain other subcategories if we want to categorize further. Categories have a built-in gallery setup. The image page itself (i.e., [[Image:Wallpaper-nicubunu-hay.jpg]]) will contain a template (which we'll need to write) that will contain information such as the creator, the URL it was taken from (if applicable), and who added it to the wiki, and what license was originally under. From this, we can produce a Python script that will take all of the images from the wiki with its metadata and put it in a git repository, stored on Fedora Hosted. A CREDITS file (or something similar) can be created to give the necessary attribution to the original author under the CC-BY-SA license, which would be derived from the image's metadata. Everyone's thoughts? I think this gives an appropriate balance between ease of adding new wallpapers while still making it easy to produce a set of RPMs for Fedora. I can take care of writing the scripts. -- Ian Weller http://ianweller.org GnuPG fingerprint: E51E 0517 7A92 70A2 4226 B050 87ED 7C97 EFA8 4A36 "Technology is a word that describes something that doesn't work yet." ~ Douglas Adams -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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The main > category will be [[Category:Wallpaper extras]], which will contain only > other categories and unsorted wallpapers. > > Subcategories to that will be along the lines of [[Category:Abstract > wallpaper extras]], which can also contain other subcategories if we > want to categorize further. Categories have a built-in gallery setup. > > The image page itself (i.e., [[Image:Wallpaper-nicubunu-hay.jpg]]) will > contain a template (which we'll need to write) that will contain > information such as the creator, the URL it was taken from (if > applicable), and who added it to the wiki, and what license was > originally under. > > From this, we can produce a Python script that will take all of the > images from the wiki with its metadata and put it in a git repository, > stored on Fedora Hosted. A CREDITS file (or something similar) can be > created to give the necessary attribution to the original author under > the CC-BY-SA license, which would be derived from the image's metadata. > > Everyone's thoughts? I think this gives an appropriate balance between > ease of adding new wallpapers while still making it easy to produce a > set of RPMs for Fedora. I can take care of writing the scripts. > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > I personally think we should hold a wallpaper contest photo artwork etc with a specific subject/theme in conduction with fedoramagazine each month or so then top 3 picture ( or top in each category ) would be picked added to the wiki and package. There has to be some kind of review process both for the wiki and or contest. I can flood the wiki with pictures which I would think were good but that necessary does not make it that the majority of the public agrees with me.. 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Or, perhaps, some sort of voting scheme or committee, which would decide each individual image. Or! a quota for how many images can be in each package. And instead of categorizing images, why not have the packages by month? For example, wallpaper extras decided by a certain date in December and on the mirrors in January. One question I have: do we want to use optipng'd PNGs or compressed JPG files? -- Ian Weller http://ianweller.org GnuPG fingerprint: E51E 0517 7A92 70A2 4226 B050 87ED 7C97 EFA8 4A36 "Technology is a word that describes something that doesn't work yet." ~ Douglas Adams -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Could be possible although I will need to ammend the code a little. >> Jaroslav could you take a few more shots with the bar at different >> levels so I can get an idea of how it progresses? > > Here's a quick-n-dirty screencast: > > http://rdieter.fedorapeople.org/SolarComet-ksplash-1.ogg > > -- Rex > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list Here is the plymouth one. http://www.cs.man.ac.uk/~brejc8/temp/progress.swf From johannbg at hi.is Fri Oct 24 21:00:15 2008 From: johannbg at hi.is (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22J=F3hann_B=2E_Gu=F0mundsson=22?=) Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2008 21:00:15 +0000 Subject: Proposal: Wallpaper extras submission/packaging procedure In-Reply-To: <20081024184228.GA7471@gmail.com> References: <20081024173316.GA7335@gmail.com> <49020C07.9050401@hi.is> <20081024184228.GA7471@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4902375F.4060705@hi.is> Ian Weller wrote: > On Fri, Oct 24, 2008 at 05:55:19PM +0000, "J?hann B. Gu?mundsson" wrote: > >> There has to be some kind of review process both for the wiki and or >> contest. >> >> > I agree, I thought of this a few seconds after I sent the email (and > then became drastically distracted) -- but I don't think a contest is > the right way to go. > > Well we either have to go with all submitted that meet the "technical requirements" wallpapers then or we dont.. > Perhaps a few guidelines can keep submissions (and RPM sizes) down. We'd > need to come up with those. Or, perhaps, some sort of voting scheme or > committee, which would decide each individual image. > > As nicu pointed out when I discussed it a little bit with him today on irc that for example, who would be in that committee? Everyone on this list would want to contribute.... > Or! a quota for how many images can be in each package. And instead of > categorizing images, why not have the packages by month? For example, > wallpaper extras decided by a certain date in December and on the > mirrors in January. > > > First I would say we need a subject or a theme or something to focus on for this months photo/art project. It would gives something to focus on instead of trying our selfs to come up with something. Second it should be taken ( the photo ) or created during a certain time period that again would put art lovers to create up with create something new( instead of going into archives ). Third it needs to be categorized for example. In the photo contest we have at work you are only allowed to enter photos that has not been altered in any way other than you may have "enhanced" colouring on the raw output of the photo, no photoshop-ing or gimp-ing allowed. Then we have another category you can alter the original image as you see fit through photoshop or gimp or other image editing program. you can add others like the people that can create this stuff from scratch ( I know I cant ) as in drawings, water paints oil paints 3d and so fourth. JBG From herlo1 at gmail.com Fri Oct 24 22:34:32 2008 From: herlo1 at gmail.com (Clint Savage) Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2008 16:34:32 -0600 Subject: Fedora F's buttons Message-ID: So I got bored today while giving an RHCT exam and while waiting at the airport. I made these buttons, let me know what you think... http://herlo.fedorapeople.org/art/fedora_four_fs_logo2.png http://herlo.fedorapeople.org/art/fedora_four_fs_logo3.png http://herlo.fedorapeople.org/art/fedora_four_fs_logo4.png Cheers, Clint From duffy at fedoraproject.org Fri Oct 24 22:38:36 2008 From: duffy at fedoraproject.org (=?UTF-8?B?TcOhaXLDrW4gRHVmZnk=?=) Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2008 18:38:36 -0400 Subject: Fedora F's buttons In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <49024E6C.8050705@fedoraproject.org> Clint Savage wrote: > So I got bored today while giving an RHCT exam and while waiting at > the airport. I made these buttons, let me know what you think... > > http://herlo.fedorapeople.org/art/fedora_four_fs_logo2.png > http://herlo.fedorapeople.org/art/fedora_four_fs_logo3.png > http://herlo.fedorapeople.org/art/fedora_four_fs_logo4.png SWEET! I really like the pattern in the background of the logo2 file. Logo3 is really strong, well done! I think logo4 might look better without the dashed line at all and maybe a darker background color. Do you know how to scribus-ify these into print-ready, color-safe PDF artwork? ~m From ianweller at gmail.com Fri Oct 24 23:21:38 2008 From: ianweller at gmail.com (Ian Weller) Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2008 18:21:38 -0500 Subject: Fedora F's buttons In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20081024232138.GA8701@gmail.com> On Fri, Oct 24, 2008 at 04:34:32PM -0600, Clint Savage wrote: > So I got bored today while giving an RHCT exam and while waiting at > the airport. I made these buttons, let me know what you think... > Very nice! I like #2 the best. -- Ian Weller http://ianweller.org GnuPG fingerprint: E51E 0517 7A92 70A2 4226 B050 87ED 7C97 EFA8 4A36 "Technology is a word that describes something that doesn't work yet." ~ Douglas Adams -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Or, perhaps, some sort of voting scheme or >> committee, which would decide each individual image. >> >> > As nicu pointed out when I discussed it a little bit with him today on irc > that for example, who would be in that committee? > > Everyone on this list would want to contribute.... > Yeah, bad idea on my part. >> Or! a quota for how many images can be in each package. And instead of >> categorizing images, why not have the packages by month? For example, >> wallpaper extras decided by a certain date in December and on the >> mirrors in January. >> >> >> > First I would say we need a subject or a theme or something to focus on > for this months > photo/art project. It would gives something to focus on instead of > trying our selfs to come up with something. > Sounds good! Then have a new package of wallpapers per month? Perhaps ten or fifteen at a time? > Second it should be taken ( the photo ) or created during a certain time > period that again would put art lovers to create > up with create something new( instead of going into archives ). > I disagree with this. What if you already have (found) something excellent? No need to discriminate based on creation date. > Third it needs to be categorized for example. > > In the photo contest we have at work you are only allowed to enter > photos that has not been altered in any way other than > you may have "enhanced" colouring on the raw output of the photo, no > photoshop-ing or gimp-ing allowed. > > Then we have another category you can alter the original image as you > see fit through photoshop or gimp or other image editing program. > you can add others like the people that can create this stuff from > scratch ( I know I cant ) as in drawings, water paints oil paints 3d and > so fourth. > So, adaptations of original photos? Sounds like a nice idea. > > Heh. -- Ian Weller http://ianweller.org GnuPG fingerprint: E51E 0517 7A92 70A2 4226 B050 87ED 7C97 EFA8 4A36 "Technology is a word that describes something that doesn't work yet." ~ Douglas Adams -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 197 bytes Desc: not available URL: From ianweller at gmail.com Fri Oct 24 23:21:38 2008 From: ianweller at gmail.com (Ian Weller) Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2008 18:21:38 -0500 Subject: Fedora F's buttons In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20081024232138.GA8701@gmail.com> On Fri, Oct 24, 2008 at 04:34:32PM -0600, Clint Savage wrote: > So I got bored today while giving an RHCT exam and while waiting at > the airport. I made these buttons, let me know what you think... > Very nice! I like #2 the best. -- Ian Weller http://ianweller.org GnuPG fingerprint: E51E 0517 7A92 70A2 4226 B050 87ED 7C97 EFA8 4A36 "Technology is a word that describes something that doesn't work yet." ~ Douglas Adams -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 197 bytes Desc: not available URL: From herlo1 at gmail.com Sat Oct 25 06:09:39 2008 From: herlo1 at gmail.com (Clint Savage) Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2008 00:09:39 -0600 Subject: Fedora F's buttons In-Reply-To: <49024E6C.8050705@fedoraproject.org> References: <49024E6C.8050705@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: On Fri, Oct 24, 2008 at 4:38 PM, M?ir?n Duffy wrote: > Clint Savage wrote: >> So I got bored today while giving an RHCT exam and while waiting at >> the airport. I made these buttons, let me know what you think... >> >> http://herlo.fedorapeople.org/art/fedora_four_fs_logo2.png >> http://herlo.fedorapeople.org/art/fedora_four_fs_logo3.png >> http://herlo.fedorapeople.org/art/fedora_four_fs_logo4.png > > SWEET! > > I really like the pattern in the background of the logo2 file. > > Logo3 is really strong, well done! > > I think logo4 might look better without the dashed line at > all and maybe a darker background color. Thanks, I wasn't sure if they would be good enough. The dashed line is basically to indicate the edge of the button, but I can take it off. > Do you know how to scribus-ify these into print-ready, > color-safe PDF artwork? I do. I have done that before many times. I'll look into doing that on sunday. I assume you are referring to the fact that I need to make the images CMYK and making them pdfs so printers won't complain. I'm capable of doing that :) Thanks for the vote of confidence. Cheers, Clint From camilo at mesias.co.uk Sat Oct 25 07:23:07 2008 From: camilo at mesias.co.uk (Camilo Mesias) Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2008 08:23:07 +0100 Subject: Proposal: Wallpaper extras submission/packaging procedure In-Reply-To: <20081024232522.GB8701@gmail.com> References: <20081024173316.GA7335@gmail.com> <49020C07.9050401@hi.is> <20081024184228.GA7471@gmail.com> <4902375F.4060705@hi.is> <20081024232522.GB8701@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi, > Sounds good! Then have a new package of wallpapers per month? Perhaps > ten or fifteen at a time? Do the wallpapers have to be packaged up like this? It seems a bit archaic. I have an impression of many people downloading wallpapers they will never use. Instead, I suggest make the wiki presentable enough for end users to see, add a URL along the lines of "Get more wallpapers" to the desktop Appearance Preferences. Make sure the Firefox 'Set as desktop background' option works as expected. Then users can quickly find and use more wallpaper images. -Cam From gmureddu at prodigy.net.mx Sat Oct 25 09:14:52 2008 From: gmureddu at prodigy.net.mx (Gian Paolo Mureddu) Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2008 04:14:52 -0500 Subject: Fedora F's buttons In-Reply-To: References: <49024E6C.8050705@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <4902E38C.8090401@prodigy.net.mx> Clint Savage escribi?: > I do. I have done that before many times. I'll look into doing that > on sunday. I assume you are referring to the fact that I need to make > the images CMYK and making them pdfs so printers won't complain. I'm > capable of doing that :) > > Thanks for the vote of confidence. > > Cheers, > > Clint > You don't have to do that, actually... However Scribus SVG support is rather flaky and most of the time (except for really simple "kosher" SVG files) you will get an error stating that some features of the file were not supported. Also it tends to get the size "wrong", not the actual size of the drawing, but rather it kind of adds an additional "holding box" to the drawing. My personal recommendation when handling graphics with Scribus would be to export to EPS and then import that into Scribus, or export to bitmap (with the added side effect of reduced quality and "raster artifacts" [pixelation]). Regarding color management, I'd recommend you use the very latest snapshot of Scribus available from the OpenSuSE repo (there is a Fedora yum repo for it) because the one included in Fedora is quite outdated, and now largely unsupported (v 1.3.4), then you may grab the package with ICC profiles off Adobe's download section and install one of those ICC profiles into scribus so you get a color managed window (it is NOT recommended to install a printer ICC profile into Scribus unless you *REALLY* need it and the target printer supports it). Then you can generate the desired PDF and you may even embed an ICC profile into it to ensure proper display/print, don't forget to select the desired target media when generating the PDF! my 2? From gmureddu at prodigy.net.mx Sat Oct 25 09:15:35 2008 From: gmureddu at prodigy.net.mx (Gian Paolo Mureddu) Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2008 04:15:35 -0500 Subject: Fedora F's buttons In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4902E3B7.2040308@prodigy.net.mx> Clint Savage escribi?: > So I got bored today while giving an RHCT exam and while waiting at > the airport. I made these buttons, let me know what you think... > > http://herlo.fedorapeople.org/art/fedora_four_fs_logo2.png > http://herlo.fedorapeople.org/art/fedora_four_fs_logo3.png > http://herlo.fedorapeople.org/art/fedora_four_fs_logo4.png > > Cheers, > > Clint > > Nice indeed, it would seem like #2 is the winner :) However, I like them all. Nice work indeed! From jreznik at redhat.com Sat Oct 25 10:17:36 2008 From: jreznik at redhat.com (Jaroslav Reznik) Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2008 06:17:36 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Bug 468277 - Solar: progress bar seems out of place In-Reply-To: <49021D90.7050402@brej.org> Message-ID: <513458868.3510411224929856099.JavaMail.root@zmail02.collab.prod.int.phx2.redhat.com> ----- "Charlie Brej" wrote: > Rex Dieter wrote: > > Charlie Brej wrote: > > > >> Yeah. Could be possible although I will need to ammend the code a > little. > >> Jaroslav could you take a few more shots with the bar at different > >> levels so I can get an idea of how it progresses? > > > > Here's a quick-n-dirty screencast: > > > > http://rdieter.fedorapeople.org/SolarComet-ksplash-1.ogg Thanks Rex for this screencast! R. > > -- Rex > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Fedora-art-list mailing list > > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list > > Here is the plymouth one. > http://www.cs.man.ac.uk/~brejc8/temp/progress.swf > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list From jreznik at redhat.com Sat Oct 25 10:25:06 2008 From: jreznik at redhat.com (Jaroslav Reznik) Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2008 06:25:06 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Bug 468277 - Solar: progress bar seems out of place In-Reply-To: <354241839.3510441224930233848.JavaMail.root@zmail02.collab.prod.int.phx2.redhat.com> Message-ID: <496947250.3510461224930306778.JavaMail.root@zmail02.collab.prod.int.phx2.redhat.com> ----- "Charlie Brej" wrote: > Rex Dieter wrote: > > Charlie Brej wrote: > > > >> Yeah. Could be possible although I will need to ammend the code a > little. > >> Jaroslav could you take a few more shots with the bar at different > >> levels so I can get an idea of how it progresses? > > > > Here's a quick-n-dirty screencast: > > > > http://rdieter.fedorapeople.org/SolarComet-ksplash-1.ogg > > > > -- Rex > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Fedora-art-list mailing list > > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list > > Here is the plymouth one. > http://www.cs.man.ac.uk/~brejc8/temp/progress.swf Looking nice! R. > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list From mairin at linuxgrrl.com Sat Oct 25 14:47:36 2008 From: mairin at linuxgrrl.com (=?UTF-8?B?TcOhaXLDrW4gRHVmZnk=?=) Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2008 10:47:36 -0400 Subject: Fedora F's buttons In-Reply-To: References: <49024E6C.8050705@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <49033188.1080203@linuxgrrl.com> Clint Savage wrote: > Thanks, I wasn't sure if they would be good enough. The dashed line > is basically to indicate the edge of the button, but I can take it > off. Oh right, okay! > >> Do you know how to scribus-ify these into print-ready, >> color-safe PDF artwork? > > I do. I have done that before many times. I'll look into doing that > on sunday. I assume you are referring to the fact that I need to make > the images CMYK and making them pdfs so printers won't complain. I'm > capable of doing that :) Oh okay cool. You're probably using mrdocs' svn build for Fedora then right? (My head would have gone thru the monitor glass long ago if I was stuck with 1.3.4) If not, you should give it a try, it makes life so much easier! ~m From mairin at linuxgrrl.com Sat Oct 25 15:00:16 2008 From: mairin at linuxgrrl.com (=?UTF-8?B?TcOhaXLDrW4gRHVmZnk=?=) Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2008 11:00:16 -0400 Subject: Fedora F's buttons In-Reply-To: <4902E38C.8090401@prodigy.net.mx> References: <49024E6C.8050705@fedoraproject.org> <4902E38C.8090401@prodigy.net.mx> Message-ID: <49033480.1090604@linuxgrrl.com> Hi Gian, Gian Paolo Mureddu wrote: > Clint Savage escribi?: >> I do. I have done that before many times. I'll look into doing that >> on sunday. I assume you are referring to the fact that I need to make >> the images CMYK and making them pdfs so printers won't complain. I'm >> capable of doing that :) >> >> Thanks for the vote of confidence. >> >> Cheers, >> >> Clint >> > You don't have to do that, actually... Why don't you need to do it? The printers must have sent the cd and sleeve designs for Fedora 7 back and forth with me at least 20 times before they could do anything with them. They couldn't get the colors to come out right at all and eventually gave up (You'll note that the Fedora 7 discs are actually purple, not blue. That's why.) That was a nightmare and ever since I've used Scribus for setting up colors (definitely for Fedora 9 and I think Fedora 8's media artwork) and it just went so much more smoothly. So I do really think you have to do it, unless you know something I don't? :)? > However Scribus SVG support is > rather flaky and most of the time (except for really simple "kosher" SVG > files) you will get an error stating that some features of the file were > not supported. Also it tends to get the size "wrong", not the actual > size of the drawing, but rather it kind of adds an additional "holding > box" to the drawing. My personal recommendation when handling graphics > with Scribus would be to export to EPS and then import that into > Scribus, or export to bitmap (with the added side effect of reduced > quality and "raster artifacts" [pixelation]). Regarding color > management, I'd recommend you use the very latest snapshot of Scribus > available from the OpenSuSE repo (there is a Fedora yum repo for it) > because the one included in Fedora is quite outdated, and now largely > unsupported (v 1.3.4), then you may grab the package with ICC profiles > off Adobe's download section and install one of those ICC profiles into > scribus so you get a color managed window (it is NOT recommended to > install a printer ICC profile into Scribus unless you *REALLY* need it > and the target printer supports it). Then you can generate the desired > PDF and you may even embed an ICC profile into it to ensure proper > display/print, don't forget to select the desired target media when > generating the PDF! Is it effective to use the color profiles if your monitor isn't calibrated? (I honestly don't know but I wouldn't assume so which is why I don't bother with color profiles right now) I assume that doing the artwork first in Inkscape and then importing it into scribus and modifying the palette in Scribus to have the exact CMYK colors needed will ensure the colors come out right in the end since a CMYK value is a CMYK value (maybe not as reproducable as a spot color but more reliable than picking blindly based on what shows up on my monitor.) Past experience printing Fedora swag has shown this to be close enough / true enough that I'm comfortable with this method. However, i don't really know so much about using monitor profiles and color profiles at all and if you do I would love some advice/help! Thanks, ~m From gmureddu at prodigy.net.mx Sat Oct 25 17:23:28 2008 From: gmureddu at prodigy.net.mx (Gian Paolo Mureddu) Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2008 12:23:28 -0500 Subject: Fedora F's buttons In-Reply-To: <49033480.1090604@linuxgrrl.com> References: <49024E6C.8050705@fedoraproject.org> <4902E38C.8090401@prodigy.net.mx> <49033480.1090604@linuxgrrl.com> Message-ID: <49035610.8090201@prodigy.net.mx> M?ir?n Duffy escribi?: > Hi Gian, > > Gian Paolo Mureddu wrote: >> Clint Savage escribi?: >>> I do. I have done that before many times. I'll look into doing that >>> on sunday. I assume you are referring to the fact that I need to make >>> the images CMYK and making them pdfs so printers won't complain. I'm >>> capable of doing that :) >>> >>> Thanks for the vote of confidence. >>> >>> Cheers, >>> >>> Clint >>> >> You don't have to do that, actually... > > Why don't you need to do it? The printers must have sent the cd and > sleeve designs for Fedora 7 back and forth with me at least 20 times > before they could do anything with them. They couldn't get the colors > to come out right at all and eventually gave up (You'll note that the > Fedora 7 discs are actually purple, not blue. That's why.) That was a > nightmare and ever since I've used Scribus for setting up colors > (definitely for Fedora 9 and I think Fedora 8's media artwork) and it > just went so much more smoothly. > > So I do really think you have to do it, unless you know something I > don't? :)? I wouldn't *DARE* to say I know something you don't, Mo ;) However in my experience (and that may very well too subjective) Scribus can pretty much represent all colors on screen through CMYK (kind of converting them on-the-fly, or so it would seem). I have also struggled for the longest time to get colors right on print-outs with Linux (any distro, pretty much any program). However since F8 (IIRC, or was it F7?) the inclusion of lcms has actually helped a lot for color management (still a bit rudimentary as it would seem you have to do it in a per-application basis instead of being applied to the X session, like Windows or Mac seem to do it [and they still have per-application settings]) > >> However Scribus SVG support is rather flaky and most of the time >> (except for really simple "kosher" SVG files) you will get an error >> stating that some features of the file were not supported. Also it >> tends to get the size "wrong", not the actual size of the drawing, >> but rather it kind of adds an additional "holding box" to the >> drawing. My personal recommendation when handling graphics with >> Scribus would be to export to EPS and then import that into Scribus, >> or export to bitmap (with the added side effect of reduced quality >> and "raster artifacts" [pixelation]). Regarding color management, I'd >> recommend you use the very latest snapshot of Scribus available from >> the OpenSuSE repo (there is a Fedora yum repo for it) because the one >> included in Fedora is quite outdated, and now largely unsupported (v >> 1.3.4), then you may grab the package with ICC profiles off Adobe's >> download section and install one of those ICC profiles into scribus >> so you get a color managed window (it is NOT recommended to install a >> printer ICC profile into Scribus unless you *REALLY* need it and the >> target printer supports it). Then you can generate the desired PDF >> and you may even embed an ICC profile into it to ensure proper >> display/print, don't forget to select the desired target media when >> generating the PDF! > > Is it effective to use the color profiles if your monitor isn't > calibrated? (I honestly don't know but I wouldn't assume so which is > why I don't bother with color profiles right now) > > I assume that doing the artwork first in Inkscape and then importing > it into scribus and modifying the palette in Scribus to have the exact > CMYK colors needed will ensure the colors come out right in the end > since a CMYK value is a CMYK value (maybe not as reproducable as a > spot color but more reliable than picking blindly based on what shows > up on my monitor.) Past experience printing Fedora swag has shown this > to be close enough / true enough that I'm comfortable with this method. The main problem with CMYK (again, at least in my experience) is that support for this color space in Inkscape is MORE than flaky, it would seem that color values "wouldn't stick", that may be due to the fact that Inkscape follows as close as possible the SVG specification which IIRC only support SRGB, and Inkscape actually converts those SRGB color values to CMYK color space on-the-fly (or so I remember reading, albeit some time ago, on the Inkscape mailing list, most likely things have changed in 0.46, maybe I'll ask in the list again). I'm not sure if the color values are perfectly preserved when you import the vector graphics from Inkscape to Scribus (SVG, EPS or PS format), but I can tell you that *perceptually* speaking it would seem that colors you *see* on the screen (when you color manage Scribus, of course) indeed is the color you *get* (or very close) on the print out. This, though good, is a bit problematic, as you can't actually change the colors of the objects you import into Scribus and can only see the resulting colors as they may be printed, and any modifications imply that you have to go back to Inkscape, modify the color, and "test" again in Scribus (at least that's how I've done it, not the best way, though). Inkscape also supports (or has initial support for) color management in 0.46, but I have not been able to get reliable color representation with it. Another way I guess would be to get this with The GIMP whose color management seems to be more reliable than that of Inkscape and also support SVG files (both read and write to), but I must confess I have not tried with it. What I have done, though, is that since Inkscape has this color management support, I load the same color pofile into it as I do on Scribus and I seem to get much better results in that way. However this is with perceived colors, and not specific *actual* values (like those of the Fedora logo, and what is stipulated in the guidelines). I'll have to play around with the color values of the logo and see how are they represented in the different programs (The GIMP, Inkscape, Scribus) and how do they actually "print" from the different programs. > > However, i don't really know so much about using monitor profiles and > color profiles at all and if you do I would love some advice/help! > > Thanks, > ~m I'm only starting to get into this whole new world (to me) of color management, and have been following a few guides (for Mac or Windows, and trying to apply them to LCMS and the array of programs that actually support loading profiles, etc) and I can't yet say I "understand" a whole lot. I understand the basic idea behind color management, and why it is a must (especially in the print and publishing industries), and am struggling to understand "color accuracy representation across media types", etc. It would seem that with all these tools available, there is no way to ensure 100% accurate color representation, there are simply too many factors (no two monitors render colors exactly the same, no two printers print colors exactly the same, regardless of the ink, apparently there might even be slight colorimetric variations in two different color cartridges from the *same vendor*, color perception may even vary from person-to-person). I must confess that I'm only an amateur at this, and am only starting to get into the theory behind the magic of color management, publishing and design altogether. From fedora-art at brej.org Sun Oct 26 12:55:02 2008 From: fedora-art at brej.org (Charlie Brej) Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2008 12:55:02 +0000 Subject: Solar_3200x1200_* partly transparent column of pixels Message-ID: <490468A6.1010900@brej.org> Minor imperfection: In the 3200x1200 dual screen images there is a column at X=1151 which has a slight transparency. It is in fact very difficult to see it in gimp but it does become visible on desktop backgrounds with a contrasting solid colour behind. From fedora-art at brej.org Sun Oct 26 22:01:59 2008 From: fedora-art at brej.org (Charlie Brej) Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2008 22:01:59 +0000 Subject: Solar_3200x1200_* partly transparent column of pixels In-Reply-To: <490468A6.1010900@brej.org> References: <490468A6.1010900@brej.org> Message-ID: <4904E8D7.3030103@brej.org> Another little thing: For a technical reason[1] the last image, in the array of sizes in the background transition xml, is the one chosen for the thumbnail. In solar, this currently is the dual screen which very few people have and in most single screen setups the thumbnail looks quite distended. Would it be possible to reorder the size elements in the xml so either the 4:3 or maybe the 16:10 appears last and will be chosen for the thumbnail? [1] gnome-bg uses prepend reather than append in list functions presumebly for performance reasons From fedora-art at brej.org Sun Oct 26 23:28:17 2008 From: fedora-art at brej.org (Charlie Brej) Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2008 23:28:17 +0000 Subject: background space usage Message-ID: <4904FD11.1000706@brej.org> Current solar background's consume 33Mb. This a bit on the heavy side, especially on the Live CD which is over its image limit. Currently there are 4 different images (morning, noon, evening, night) sent out in 4 different sizes (4:3, 16:10, 5:4 and 8:3 for dual screen). What we could do is to send out just one 3200:1200 image and patch up gnome-desktop background handling to support cropping to the right aspect. So currently we have: 4-3.png 16-10.png 5-4.png 8-3.png And since we are interested in the stuff in the bottom right corner we add an X offset: 8-3.png 8-3.png 8-3.png 8-3.png This would allow us to ship just one 3200x1200 size of each time of day image. I do realise this is very late since the freeze is on Tuesday, so this can easily wait till F11. But if people think it may be possible to repackage gnome-desktop and the backgrounds in time then forward the attached patch to the gnome-desktop packagers and see if they agree. -------------- next part -------------- An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... 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Currently there > are 4 different images (morning, noon, evening, night) sent out in 4 > different sizes (4:3, 16:10, 5:4 and 8:3 for dual screen). > What we could do is to send out just one 3200:1200 image and patch up > gnome-desktop background handling to support cropping to the right > aspect. > Did we run optipng on our backgrounds? optipng -o7 *.png I remember this saving a few megabytes last time around. -- Ian Weller http://ianweller.org GnuPG fingerprint: E51E 0517 7A92 70A2 4226 B050 87ED 7C97 EFA8 4A36 "Technology is a word that describes something that doesn't work yet." ~ Douglas Adams -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 197 bytes Desc: not available URL: From duffy at fedoraproject.org Mon Oct 27 03:27:02 2008 From: duffy at fedoraproject.org (Mairin Duffy) Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2008 23:27:02 -0400 Subject: background space usage In-Reply-To: <20081026234203.GA29705@gmail.com> References: <4904FD11.1000706@brej.org> <20081026234203.GA29705@gmail.com> Message-ID: <49053506.8070901@fedoraproject.org> Ian Weller wrote: > On Sun, Oct 26, 2008 at 11:28:17PM +0000, Charlie Brej wrote: >> Current solar background's consume 33Mb. This a bit on the heavy side, >> especially on the Live CD which is over its image limit. Currently there >> are 4 different images (morning, noon, evening, night) sent out in 4 >> different sizes (4:3, 16:10, 5:4 and 8:3 for dual screen). >> What we could do is to send out just one 3200:1200 image and patch up >> gnome-desktop background handling to support cropping to the right >> aspect. >> > Did we run optipng on our backgrounds? > optipng -o7 *.png > I remember this saving a few megabytes last time around. We did and Martin and I have plans to clean up the background packages so the default one is much smaller and there is a larger extras package. He's waiting on me to fix some bugs in the artwork. ~m From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Mon Oct 27 07:03:01 2008 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 09:03:01 +0200 Subject: Bug 468277 - Solar: progress bar seems out of place In-Reply-To: <4901ECDA.7050904@fedoraproject.org> References: <4901D277.50407@redhat.com> <4901D3EB.9040205@fedoraproject.org> <4901D715.6080608@hi.is> <4901D9D3.3080604@brej.org> <4901DDE2.9080408@fedoraproject.org> <4901E1C4.2000009@brej.org> <4901E416.9090003@redhat.com> <4901E66E.3080303@fedoraproject.org> <4901EBF3.8060708@nicubunu.ro> <4901ECDA.7050904@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <490567A5.3080706@nicubunu.ro> M?ir?n Duffy wrote: > > I think rather than changing the guidelines, what we should > do is decide on one we like and just make it a standard that > is part of the guidelines and shipped in the logo packs we > send out. > > I think there is too much room for error for bad gradients > so we should just say, don't do it unless you use this one > kind of thing. > > What do you think? This seems a sane approach, otherwise we may get into an unpredictable slippery slope (I have an idea on my own about pushing the limits on this, will talk about it probably later this week). -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Mon Oct 27 07:43:51 2008 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 09:43:51 +0200 Subject: Fedora F's buttons In-Reply-To: <4902E38C.8090401@prodigy.net.mx> References: <49024E6C.8050705@fedoraproject.org> <4902E38C.8090401@prodigy.net.mx> Message-ID: <49057137.6060208@nicubunu.ro> Gian Paolo Mureddu wrote: > Regarding color > management, I'd recommend you use the very latest snapshot of Scribus > available from the OpenSuSE repo (there is a Fedora yum repo for it) > because the one included in Fedora is quite outdated, and now largely > unsupported (v 1.3.4) I know I am going to a tangent here, but can we get in touch somehow with our Scribus maintainer and get him to do an update? -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Mon Oct 27 09:02:51 2008 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 11:02:51 +0200 Subject: Proposal: Wallpaper extras submission/packaging procedure In-Reply-To: <49020C07.9050401@hi.is> References: <20081024173316.GA7335@gmail.com> <49020C07.9050401@hi.is> Message-ID: <490583BB.7010305@nicubunu.ro> J?hann B. Gu?mundsson wrote: > I personally think we should hold a wallpaper contest photo artwork etc > with a specific subject/theme in conduction with fedoramagazine each month > or so then top 3 picture ( or top in each category ) would be picked > added to the wiki and package. My tendency is to decouple packaging and contests. Have the images in a proper gallery and the users can use RSS feeds and see "best rated", "most viewed", "last uploaded" images with no effort. And they really need the packaging? They have the photos open in their browser and Firefox has an "Set As Desktop Background" command (it appears broken if Firefox/GNOME, but that is just a bug which needs a patch). And from this large pile of images, a packager may make a manual selection with the "most usable" images (or more packagers can to their own selections and packages). As for Fedora Magazine, it can automatically pick "the most viewed upload from the last week" or "the best rated upload from the last week" based on RSS... and we definitely must include JonRob in this talk about the magazine... Jon, here is the thread, for reference: https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-art-list/2008-October/msg00299.html > There has to be some kind of review process both for the wiki and or > contest. > > I can flood the wiki with pictures which I would think were good but > that necessary does not > make it that the majority of the public agrees with me.. -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Mon Oct 27 09:05:41 2008 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 11:05:41 +0200 Subject: Proposal: Wallpaper extras submission/packaging procedure In-Reply-To: <20081024184228.GA7471@gmail.com> References: <20081024173316.GA7335@gmail.com> <49020C07.9050401@hi.is> <20081024184228.GA7471@gmail.com> Message-ID: <49058465.2050307@nicubunu.ro> Ian Weller wrote: > > One question I have: do we want to use optipng'd PNGs or compressed JPG > files? We *have* to use a compressed format and not RAW files... (my RAWs are ~15MB each) PNGs are not that good for photos and the JPEG compression is at the discretion of the uploader, it may make the difference between a good and a bad submission. -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From gmureddu at prodigy.net.mx Mon Oct 27 10:13:10 2008 From: gmureddu at prodigy.net.mx (Gian Paolo Mureddu) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 04:13:10 -0600 Subject: Fedora F's buttons In-Reply-To: <49057137.6060208@nicubunu.ro> References: <49024E6C.8050705@fedoraproject.org> <4902E38C.8090401@prodigy.net.mx> <49057137.6060208@nicubunu.ro> Message-ID: <49059436.20401@prodigy.net.mx> Nicu Buculei escribi?: > Gian Paolo Mureddu wrote: >> Regarding color management, I'd recommend you use the very latest >> snapshot of Scribus available from the OpenSuSE repo (there is a >> Fedora yum repo for it) because the one included in Fedora is quite >> outdated, and now largely unsupported (v 1.3.4) > > I know I am going to a tangent here, but can we get in touch somehow > with our Scribus maintainer and get him to do an update? > Actually I have filed a bug regarding this particular issue... https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=461196 There's been an answer, and hopefully we'll see better sync with upstream (also upstream provides a yum repository as well for latest SVN head, at the home_mrdocs repository, from OpenSuSE [http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/home:/mrdocs/]). From jonrob at fedoraproject.org Mon Oct 27 10:21:53 2008 From: jonrob at fedoraproject.org (Jonathan Roberts) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 10:21:53 +0000 Subject: Proposal: Wallpaper extras submission/packaging procedure In-Reply-To: <490583BB.7010305@nicubunu.ro> References: <20081024173316.GA7335@gmail.com> <49020C07.9050401@hi.is> <490583BB.7010305@nicubunu.ro> Message-ID: <507738ef0810270321n1393d731padb4dc68460e9915@mail.gmail.com> > My tendency is to decouple packaging and contests. Have the images in a > proper gallery and the users can use RSS feeds and see "best rated", "most > viewed", "last uploaded" images with no effort. > And they really need the packaging? They have the photos open in their > browser and Firefox has an "Set As Desktop Background" command (it appears > broken if Firefox/GNOME, but that is just a bug which needs a patch). Why reinvent the wheel - why not just take advantage of Gnome look? Or set up a Flickr pool - I think one already exists possibly? > As for Fedora Magazine, it can automatically pick "the most viewed upload > from the last week" or "the best rated upload from the last week" based on > RSS... and we definitely must include JonRob in this talk about the > magazine... With respect to the magazine, I'd be more than happy if someone from the art team would be interested in doing a monthly post that would share work that members of the art team were involved with - whether it was Fedora related or just created using tools exclusively in Fedora. Obviously, as Nicu said further down, there would need to be some kind of editorial review... I certainly need to speak with Martin about getting his echo overviews published on there... I sadly don't have the time to organise the posting of any more content myself, as life is getting busier. If someone is interested in working with me on this, drop a note and we'll see about getting you added to the blog members, either as editor or author. Sorry thoughts are a bit spread out, I'm in the library between classes. Thanks for thinking of Fedora Magazine though :) Jon From hydra84 at gmail.com Mon Oct 27 00:20:59 2008 From: hydra84 at gmail.com (Paolo Leoni) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 01:20:59 +0100 Subject: Fedora 10 Countdown In-Reply-To: <20081023164432.GA23113@gmail.com> References: <20081023023306.GC10891@sphe.res.cmu.edu> <490010DF.9080903@nicubunu.ro> <20081023164432.GA23113@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4905096B.1050205@gmail.com> We are near to preview release, so I have two proposals for Fedora 10 countdown banner: http://pleoni.altervista.org/fedora10-countdown-banner_1.svg http://pleoni.altervista.org/fedora10-countdown-banner_2.svg -- Paolo Leoni ~ http://pleoni.altervista.org GPG fingerprint: DAD1 6419 D42B 0B1C D9E1 A9CB 4587 4812 17F7 F764 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: fedora10-countdown-banner_1.png Type: image/png Size: 35589 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: fedora10-countdown-banner_2.png Type: image/png Size: 37946 bytes Desc: not available URL: From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Tue Oct 28 08:12:28 2008 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 10:12:28 +0200 Subject: Fedora 10 Countdown In-Reply-To: <4905096B.1050205@gmail.com> References: <20081023023306.GC10891@sphe.res.cmu.edu> <490010DF.9080903@nicubunu.ro> <20081023164432.GA23113@gmail.com> <4905096B.1050205@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4906C96C.90000@nicubunu.ro> Paolo Leoni wrote: > We are near to preview release, so I have two proposals for Fedora 10 > countdown banner: > > http://pleoni.altervista.org/fedora10-countdown-banner_1.svg > http://pleoni.altervista.org/fedora10-countdown-banner_2.svg I have a technical comment about the first banner: there is something wrong with the rounded corners, due to the embedded bitmap. A good way to solve the problem is to have everything with sharp (not rounded) corners and then put a rectangle *with* rounded corners on top and apply a clipping operation. -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From duffy at fedoraproject.org Tue Oct 28 13:47:26 2008 From: duffy at fedoraproject.org (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?M=E1ir=EDn_Duffy?=) Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 09:47:26 -0400 Subject: quick task to help out if you're interested :) Message-ID: <490717EE.5000008@fedoraproject.org> Hey, So I spent all day yesterday (literally all day, it took 12 hours :( ) updating the Solar wallpaper, adding a wide dual screen version, fixing some bugs (the broken line in the dual screen wallpapers that Charlie mentioned a couple of days ago [1] as well as bug 468323 [2]). It would be extremely helpful if some wonderful volunteer :) would be willing to grab all the new wallpapers and update the wiki page with them. They are all in this 87mb tar.gz: http://people.redhat.com/duffy/tmp/solar-oct28-stdopti.tar.gz This is all of them, including the default set and a whole bunch of extras. Anyhow, let me know if you'd be willing to pick up this task; I would be extremely appreciative! ~m [1] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-art-list/2008-October/msg00317.html [2] https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=468323 From hydra84 at gmail.com Tue Oct 28 13:48:04 2008 From: hydra84 at gmail.com (Paolo Leoni) Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 14:48:04 +0100 Subject: Fedora 10 Countdown In-Reply-To: <4906C96C.90000@nicubunu.ro> References: <20081023023306.GC10891@sphe.res.cmu.edu> <490010DF.9080903@nicubunu.ro> <20081023164432.GA23113@gmail.com> <4905096B.1050205@gmail.com> <4906C96C.90000@nicubunu.ro> Message-ID: <49071814.1010801@gmail.com> > I have a technical comment about the first banner: there is something > wrong with the rounded corners, due to the embedded bitmap. A good way > to solve the problem is to have everything with sharp (not rounded) > corners and then put a rectangle *with* rounded corners on top and apply > a clipping operation. > I've fixed the issue on both with the help of Gimp (sorry, I don't have a good knowledge of Inkscape yet ;-) ). Thank you for your hint. http://pleoni.altervista.org/fedora10-countdown-banner_1.svg http://pleoni.altervista.org/fedora10-countdown-banner_2.svg -- Paolo Leoni ~ http://pleoni.altervista.org GPG fingerprint: DAD1 6419 D42B 0B1C D9E1 A9CB 4587 4812 17F7 F764 From duffy at fedoraproject.org Tue Oct 28 14:11:06 2008 From: duffy at fedoraproject.org (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?M=E1ir=EDn_Duffy?=) Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 10:11:06 -0400 Subject: Solar_3200x1200_* partly transparent column of pixels In-Reply-To: <490468A6.1010900@brej.org> References: <490468A6.1010900@brej.org> Message-ID: <49071D7A.7060600@fedoraproject.org> Hey Charlie, Charlie Brej wrote: > Minor imperfection: > In the 3200x1200 dual screen images there is a column at X=1151 which > has a slight transparency. It is in fact very difficult to see it in > gimp but it does become visible on desktop backgrounds with a > contrasting solid colour behind. Good eye! I was redoing the wallpapers anyway so thanks for the email - I was able to fix this in the latest version of the wallpapers. Martin should be packaging it up soon. (I think we missed the deadline but we'll get it in.) ~m From duffy at fedoraproject.org Tue Oct 28 14:17:15 2008 From: duffy at fedoraproject.org (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?M=E1ir=EDn_Duffy?=) Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 10:17:15 -0400 Subject: background space usage In-Reply-To: <4904FD11.1000706@brej.org> References: <4904FD11.1000706@brej.org> Message-ID: <49071EEB.1000701@fedoraproject.org> Hi Charlie, Charlie Brej wrote: > I do realise this is very late since the freeze is on Tuesday, so this > can easily wait till F11. But if people think it may be possible to > repackage gnome-desktop and the backgrounds in time then forward the > attached patch to the gnome-desktop packagers and see if they agree. This is awesome! I do think it's a bit late in the cycle to add this in, but this will save us a LOT of work for F11. (I spent 12 hours redoing the backgrounds all day yesterday and it was markedly NOT fun) Does this patch *just* crop or does it resize down too? otherwise for say 1024x768 you're going to just have one huge sun. It should probably scale down and crop, right? I filed a bug for this upstream in GNOME for you, including your patch: http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=558241 ~m From fedora-art at brej.org Tue Oct 28 14:26:00 2008 From: fedora-art at brej.org (Charlie Brej) Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 14:26:00 +0000 Subject: background space usage In-Reply-To: <49071EEB.1000701@fedoraproject.org> References: <4904FD11.1000706@brej.org> <49071EEB.1000701@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <490720F8.2090002@brej.org> M?ir?n Duffy wrote: > Hi Charlie, > > Charlie Brej wrote: >> I do realise this is very late since the freeze is on Tuesday, so this >> can easily wait till F11. But if people think it may be possible to >> repackage gnome-desktop and the backgrounds in time then forward the >> attached patch to the gnome-desktop packagers and see if they agree. > > This is awesome! I do think it's a bit late in the cycle to > add this in, but this will save us a LOT of work for F11. (I > spent 12 hours redoing the backgrounds all day yesterday and > it was markedly NOT fun) > > Does this patch *just* crop or does it resize down too? > otherwise for say 1024x768 you're going to just have one > huge sun. It should probably scale down and crop, right? > > I filed a bug for this upstream in GNOME for you, including > your patch: > > http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=558241 > > ~m Woops, should have mentioned that I also filled a gnome bug. http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=558143 The patch first crops the image to the specified size and then after app the zoom/stretch functions behave just as before. So it makes image the closest aspect to the desired one by cropping first, and then resizes to the desired resolution. So for the 1024x768 desktop it would crop to 1600x1200 (4:3) then scale to 1024x768. From duffy at fedoraproject.org Tue Oct 28 14:32:36 2008 From: duffy at fedoraproject.org (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?M=E1ir=EDn_Duffy?=) Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 10:32:36 -0400 Subject: background space usage In-Reply-To: <490720F8.2090002@brej.org> References: <4904FD11.1000706@brej.org> <49071EEB.1000701@fedoraproject.org> <490720F8.2090002@brej.org> Message-ID: <49072284.2020401@fedoraproject.org> Charlie Brej wrote: > M?ir?n Duffy wrote: >> Hi Charlie, >> >> Charlie Brej wrote: >>> I do realise this is very late since the freeze is on Tuesday, so this >>> can easily wait till F11. But if people think it may be possible to >>> repackage gnome-desktop and the backgrounds in time then forward the >>> attached patch to the gnome-desktop packagers and see if they agree. >> >> This is awesome! I do think it's a bit late in the cycle to >> add this in, but this will save us a LOT of work for F11. (I >> spent 12 hours redoing the backgrounds all day yesterday and >> it was markedly NOT fun) >> >> Does this patch *just* crop or does it resize down too? >> otherwise for say 1024x768 you're going to just have one >> huge sun. It should probably scale down and crop, right? >> >> I filed a bug for this upstream in GNOME for you, including >> your patch: >> >> http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=558241 >> >> ~m > > Woops, should have mentioned that I also filled a gnome bug. > http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=558143 Ah hehe I thought I was saving you some time. Would you mind closing the one I opened as a dupe? > > The patch first crops the image to the specified size and then after app > the zoom/stretch functions behave just as before. So it makes image the > closest aspect to the desired one by cropping first, and then resizes to > the desired resolution. So for the 1024x768 desktop it would crop to > 1600x1200 (4:3) then scale to 1024x768. I think you should be resizing first, then cropping. It doesn't sound like that process is going to result in the objects in the image being the right size? Have you tried it out on the solar images? ~m From gort.klaatu at gmail.com Tue Oct 28 14:45:47 2008 From: gort.klaatu at gmail.com (Klaatu) Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 07:45:47 -0700 Subject: quick task to help out if you're interested :) In-Reply-To: <490717EE.5000008@fedoraproject.org> References: <490717EE.5000008@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: I can get this today, no problem. Just so I don't muck anything up, can you send me the exact link to the wiki page I am to update? Downloading the tarball now. - klaatu On Tue, Oct 28, 2008 at 6:47 AM, M?ir?n Duffy wrote: > Hey, > > So I spent all day yesterday (literally all day, it took 12 > hours :( ) updating the Solar wallpaper, adding a wide dual > screen version, fixing some bugs (the broken line in the > dual screen wallpapers that Charlie mentioned a couple of > days ago [1] as well as bug 468323 [2]). > > It would be extremely helpful if some wonderful volunteer :) > would be willing to grab all the new wallpapers and update > the wiki page with them. They are all in this 87mb tar.gz: > > http://people.redhat.com/duffy/tmp/solar-oct28-stdopti.tar.gz > > This is all of them, including the default set and a whole > bunch of extras. > > Anyhow, let me know if you'd be willing to pick up this > task; I would be extremely appreciative! > > ~m > > > [1] > https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-art-list/2008-October/msg00317.html > [2] https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=468323 > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list > -- --- uzu linukso. subtenu libera programaro. kotizu al http://www.thebadapples.info/ogg.xml http://www.thebadapples.info/fedorareloaded/ogg.xml -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Just so I don't muck anything up, can >> you send me the exact link to the wiki page I am to update? >> >> Downloading the tarball now. >> > > Its ok Ive nearly done it. > > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list > -- --- uzu linukso. subtenu libera programaro. kotizu al http://www.thebadapples.info/ogg.xml http://www.thebadapples.info/fedorareloaded/ogg.xml -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From karlie_robinson at webpath.net Tue Oct 28 16:45:53 2008 From: karlie_robinson at webpath.net (Karlie Robinson) Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 12:45:53 -0400 Subject: F10 on OLPC XO illustration request Message-ID: <490741C1.90609@webpath.net> Good afternoon everyone. Good afternoon, a quick intro and then the real reason I'm here. I'm Karlie Robinson, a Fedora Ambassador and most recently a member of the Fedora OLPC SIG. This is my first time requesting artwork, so please don't hesitate to email for clarification. After all, I think I need images to get the idea across so words are bound to fail me. I've added a request on the Document Illustration Services page - http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/DocIllustrationService#Request_list I need an image or series of images illustrating how to insert a SD card into the OLPC XO. This will be used for instructions on how to load F10 onto the XO. I will also be using these to print instruction cards at the request of OLPC for SD cards that will be sold along side the XO at the Give One Get One at Amazon.com. So black and white/gray scale version would be preferred. Perhaps a line drawing? We need to illustrate how to access the SD slot by turning the monitor counter clockwise and then inserting the card into the slot. These photos may help visualize why words aren't the best way to point out where the SD slot is. http://www.laptop.org/en/laptop/start/externalports.shtml and http://www.laptop.org/en/laptop/start/externalports.shtml Thanks in advance for your time and consideration, Karlie Robinson From duffy at fedoraproject.org Tue Oct 28 17:43:29 2008 From: duffy at fedoraproject.org (=?UTF-8?B?TcOhaXLDrW4gRHVmZnk=?=) Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 13:43:29 -0400 Subject: quick task to help out if you're interested :) In-Reply-To: <490725DA.7060207@brej.org> References: <490717EE.5000008@fedoraproject.org> <490725DA.7060207@brej.org> Message-ID: <49074F41.5040703@fedoraproject.org> Charlie Brej wrote: > Klaatu wrote: >> I can get this today, no problem. Just so I don't muck anything up, >> can you send me the exact link to the wiki page I am to update? >> >> Downloading the tarball now. > > Its ok Ive nearly done it. Thanks both Charlie and Klaatu, that was really quick :)!! ~m From william.jon.mccann at gmail.com Tue Oct 28 22:25:55 2008 From: william.jon.mccann at gmail.com (William Jon McCann) Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 18:25:55 -0400 Subject: Artwork Quality (was Re: Sound themes) In-Reply-To: <49013AC2.9060808@redhat.com> References: <49001C83.7040503@nicubunu.ro> <939dd5750810231034t2d7032b7jaafc15ae411cd97d@mail.gmail.com> <49013AC2.9060808@redhat.com> Message-ID: <939dd5750810281525u6e8b6f39ma6b674601a731262@mail.gmail.com> Hi, I'm not sure that message-dissection is a particularly fruitful way to respond to the general theme and tone of a message. But I'll respond here because I find it somewhat better than having discussions via blog posts. For reference, the original message was: https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-art-list/2008-October/msg00246.html On Thu, Oct 23, 2008 at 11:02 PM, M?ir?n Duffy wrote: > William Jon McCann wrote: >> >> It is not often fun to be told that your work is not good enough or >> inappropriate. > > It seems you've hijacked a thread about sound themes to indirectly allude > that the art team's work is not good enough or appropriate. If you do > believe this, it would be better to give direct feedback rather than beat > around the bush. Specific critiques about the Fedora 10 artwork, which I > think exceeds the F9 artwork by far, would be greatly appreciated. Also, > please consider that we have a number of non-native English speakers here > who might not necessarily pick up on the nuances of your message. I was responding to Nicu's mail. I took the opportunity to try to start a discussion that I think we need have have. A discussion about our audience, product vision, and community expectations. I was not talking about any artwork in particular. As you know I have given direct feedback on artwork in the past and will continue to do so in the future. However, in this case, it was not my intention except for a comment that the sound theme Nicu pointed out wasn't exactly appropriate. ... >> You would be right to point out here that we don't all agree on what >> our audience is and what our product should feel like. >> That is indeed a serious problem. > > How do you propose to fix it? Well, as a first step, I was hoping to start a discussion about it. >> Another problem is how you define who the judges are. Do you try to >> poll your audience? (requires you to clearly define the audience) Do >> you trust your peers? (must define peers) Do you trust the >> critics/experts? > > While you have not come out and said directly to what you would like to > apply these questions to, I'm happy to be quite direct and state that we > have done all of the above on the art team. Over the past few releases we've > tried different things and learning from them. "Growing as human beings" you > could say, I suppose. > >> It is a tough problem. But it always goes back to >> audience. Otherwise you may create something that is beautiful, >> complete, and wrong. > > Again, I can't help but feel a bit patronized. Sorry to hear that - I wasn't addressing you or at anyone in particular. The above is, however, one of the central points I was trying to make. It is the reason why I think having a discussion about our audience, product vision, and expectations is so important. How can you evaluate whether what you are doing is right or wrong without that. This is why there are so many heated debates about these things. People are implicitly building different products for different people. >> I think that the desktop wallpapers we've used by default are a good >> example of this: >> http://blogs.gnome.org/mccann/2008/05/30/state-of-the-art-wallpapers/ > > Why not just say the Fedora 9 wallpapers sucked instead of going to all that > effort? I wouldn't argue with you on it. There were some real stinkers > before we had a community art process as well. Same with the bits of the > release in general, we've had some real stinkers with some broken bits > shipped out of the box. So artwork and code, we've never been perfect every > release. Even so, there are quite a few fans of the F9 wallpaper despite its > suckage. They did suck and the Fedora wallpapers have been of widely varying quality (never great) over the years. And yes one of the worst backgrounds of all time was the "undersea tentacles" one. Which as far as I know was not community designed. *BUT* that is not the point I was trying to make. The point is that one of my take-aways from doing the wallpapers study was that other distributions and operating systems have a much clearer sense of who they are designing for. And I think it shows in the consistency of the work and in the specific choices that were made. >> Switching gears slightly. When resources are limited, fragmentation >> often results in inconsistency. Or, when the problem space is too >> large or unbounded the best we can do is to define standards. For >> desktop apps we have the GNOME Human Interface Guidelines. For icon >> themes we have the Tango guidelines, and the upcoming Mango >> guidelines. Widget themes are slightly different because the problem >> is basically bounded - there are only so many widgets to theme. > > Artwork is a little different and harder to pin down than GUI design > guidelines (which are also very difficult to pin down except on the very > top, surface level which is all the GNOME HIG itself has actual clear > guidelines for.) We have some basic guidelines that the artwork adhere to a > theme that can be clearly linked back to the spirit and goals of Fedora. Its > base color is typically a shade of blue that is the same or complementary to > the official Fedora logo colors. We have specific guidelines about > resolution, aspect ratio, elements (where the logo is and isn't allowed), > and formats for every bit of artwork we put into the release. These > requirements, of course, are just as surface-level as the guidelines for > widget usage in the HIG. Probably my fault for not being clear. My point was that consistency matters. > Just as you can't follow a formula like the GNOME HIG and pop out a > beautiful, usable interface, you can't follow a formula like the Fedora > theme guidelines and pop out a beautiful theme. The magic inbetween that > makes something good is design. I'm quite saddened by the fact that you > don't seem to believe this team has or is capable of having that magic, but > I suppose to relate it to coding as you did in your message, perhaps not > everyone felt Linus had the magic or capability to develop the magic > necessary to start a real, usable operating system. Honestly, I can't see anywhere I suggested such a thing in my message. Not sure if I'm part of "this team" that you are referring to. > I suppose you could suggest we hire a professional Artist to sit in a room > by themselves and design the entire theme all by themselves to get something > beautiful, perfect, and befitting our high-quality desktop, but then you'd > be in conflict designing artwork in a closed manner for a community > operating system. It's not really fair to make comparisons to how software > development and code works only when it is convenient so let's be fair and > complete the analogy. The conflict you suggest simply does not exist. > The thing is, when one person designs things in a vaccuum, you only ever see > the end product and you never see the work-in-progress so the end result I > think always seems so impressive than if you had seen it develop in stages. > Unfortunately with the open process we have here, it is quite easy to judge > works before they have fully formed and thus adopt an unfair bias against a > final work that otherwise may have seemed quite satisfactory. While that may be possible, I doubt that it is a significant factor. It may be true in cases where it was simply the superficial details which were objectionable. However, it would not hold true in cases where the disagreement was more fundamental than that. Again, appropriateness for a particular audience would be one example of this. ... >> One thing that we need to stop right now is the "us" versus "them" >> mentality. > > That would be great, I really look forward to this! It's a real shame. all > the aggression that's happening on fedora-desktop-list concerning the > artwork. The artwork list was left off of the cc as well, which makes me > think the thread was started only to cause strife and not to help improve > things (if it was meant constructively I don't understand leaving out the > very folks involved in the decision it ranted about.) It's that kind of > aggressive, adversarial behavior that really makes me question why I bother. > (maybe from your POV it would be a good thing if I quit the art team, who > knows) But I certainly don't see that type of behavior coming from the art > team in the reverse direction, for sure. I didn't write those things and I can't answer for what other people write. Also I think it is obvious that there is some disagreement about what it is we are building, who it is for, and how it should look. It is only natural that the people that do most of the work to build the desktop should feel pretty passionately about those things. OK, now that we've gotten all that out and blamed each other for playing "us" versus "them" - let's move on. :) >> I've heard that there is a long and sorted history between >> the Fedora art and desktop groups. Frankly, I don't know or care >> about any of that. It is all in the past. We need to focus on >> creating the right product for the right people and making it feel >> beautiful. Let's do it. > > How do you propose we "do it" since it seems clear to me that you feel we > are not doing it? I think a lot of the responsibility is on the desktop team (and also the upstream community) to communicate more effectively. We're going to work to make some of our ideas and plans more available and decision making more transparent to those who don't follow upstream lists, source repository changes, and IRC channels. Together we should engage in a conversation about what we are building and for whom. Thanks, Jon From william.jon.mccann at gmail.com Tue Oct 28 22:25:55 2008 From: william.jon.mccann at gmail.com (William Jon McCann) Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 18:25:55 -0400 Subject: Artwork Quality (was Re: Sound themes) In-Reply-To: <49013AC2.9060808@redhat.com> References: <49001C83.7040503@nicubunu.ro> <939dd5750810231034t2d7032b7jaafc15ae411cd97d@mail.gmail.com> <49013AC2.9060808@redhat.com> Message-ID: <939dd5750810281525u6e8b6f39ma6b674601a731262@mail.gmail.com> Hi, I'm not sure that message-dissection is a particularly fruitful way to respond to the general theme and tone of a message. But I'll respond here because I find it somewhat better than having discussions via blog posts. For reference, the original message was: https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-art-list/2008-October/msg00246.html On Thu, Oct 23, 2008 at 11:02 PM, M?ir?n Duffy wrote: > William Jon McCann wrote: >> >> It is not often fun to be told that your work is not good enough or >> inappropriate. > > It seems you've hijacked a thread about sound themes to indirectly allude > that the art team's work is not good enough or appropriate. If you do > believe this, it would be better to give direct feedback rather than beat > around the bush. Specific critiques about the Fedora 10 artwork, which I > think exceeds the F9 artwork by far, would be greatly appreciated. Also, > please consider that we have a number of non-native English speakers here > who might not necessarily pick up on the nuances of your message. I was responding to Nicu's mail. I took the opportunity to try to start a discussion that I think we need have have. A discussion about our audience, product vision, and community expectations. I was not talking about any artwork in particular. As you know I have given direct feedback on artwork in the past and will continue to do so in the future. However, in this case, it was not my intention except for a comment that the sound theme Nicu pointed out wasn't exactly appropriate. ... >> You would be right to point out here that we don't all agree on what >> our audience is and what our product should feel like. >> That is indeed a serious problem. > > How do you propose to fix it? Well, as a first step, I was hoping to start a discussion about it. >> Another problem is how you define who the judges are. Do you try to >> poll your audience? (requires you to clearly define the audience) Do >> you trust your peers? (must define peers) Do you trust the >> critics/experts? > > While you have not come out and said directly to what you would like to > apply these questions to, I'm happy to be quite direct and state that we > have done all of the above on the art team. Over the past few releases we've > tried different things and learning from them. "Growing as human beings" you > could say, I suppose. > >> It is a tough problem. But it always goes back to >> audience. Otherwise you may create something that is beautiful, >> complete, and wrong. > > Again, I can't help but feel a bit patronized. Sorry to hear that - I wasn't addressing you or at anyone in particular. The above is, however, one of the central points I was trying to make. It is the reason why I think having a discussion about our audience, product vision, and expectations is so important. How can you evaluate whether what you are doing is right or wrong without that. This is why there are so many heated debates about these things. People are implicitly building different products for different people. >> I think that the desktop wallpapers we've used by default are a good >> example of this: >> http://blogs.gnome.org/mccann/2008/05/30/state-of-the-art-wallpapers/ > > Why not just say the Fedora 9 wallpapers sucked instead of going to all that > effort? I wouldn't argue with you on it. There were some real stinkers > before we had a community art process as well. Same with the bits of the > release in general, we've had some real stinkers with some broken bits > shipped out of the box. So artwork and code, we've never been perfect every > release. Even so, there are quite a few fans of the F9 wallpaper despite its > suckage. They did suck and the Fedora wallpapers have been of widely varying quality (never great) over the years. And yes one of the worst backgrounds of all time was the "undersea tentacles" one. Which as far as I know was not community designed. *BUT* that is not the point I was trying to make. The point is that one of my take-aways from doing the wallpapers study was that other distributions and operating systems have a much clearer sense of who they are designing for. And I think it shows in the consistency of the work and in the specific choices that were made. >> Switching gears slightly. When resources are limited, fragmentation >> often results in inconsistency. Or, when the problem space is too >> large or unbounded the best we can do is to define standards. For >> desktop apps we have the GNOME Human Interface Guidelines. For icon >> themes we have the Tango guidelines, and the upcoming Mango >> guidelines. Widget themes are slightly different because the problem >> is basically bounded - there are only so many widgets to theme. > > Artwork is a little different and harder to pin down than GUI design > guidelines (which are also very difficult to pin down except on the very > top, surface level which is all the GNOME HIG itself has actual clear > guidelines for.) We have some basic guidelines that the artwork adhere to a > theme that can be clearly linked back to the spirit and goals of Fedora. Its > base color is typically a shade of blue that is the same or complementary to > the official Fedora logo colors. We have specific guidelines about > resolution, aspect ratio, elements (where the logo is and isn't allowed), > and formats for every bit of artwork we put into the release. These > requirements, of course, are just as surface-level as the guidelines for > widget usage in the HIG. Probably my fault for not being clear. My point was that consistency matters. > Just as you can't follow a formula like the GNOME HIG and pop out a > beautiful, usable interface, you can't follow a formula like the Fedora > theme guidelines and pop out a beautiful theme. The magic inbetween that > makes something good is design. I'm quite saddened by the fact that you > don't seem to believe this team has or is capable of having that magic, but > I suppose to relate it to coding as you did in your message, perhaps not > everyone felt Linus had the magic or capability to develop the magic > necessary to start a real, usable operating system. Honestly, I can't see anywhere I suggested such a thing in my message. Not sure if I'm part of "this team" that you are referring to. > I suppose you could suggest we hire a professional Artist to sit in a room > by themselves and design the entire theme all by themselves to get something > beautiful, perfect, and befitting our high-quality desktop, but then you'd > be in conflict designing artwork in a closed manner for a community > operating system. It's not really fair to make comparisons to how software > development and code works only when it is convenient so let's be fair and > complete the analogy. The conflict you suggest simply does not exist. > The thing is, when one person designs things in a vaccuum, you only ever see > the end product and you never see the work-in-progress so the end result I > think always seems so impressive than if you had seen it develop in stages. > Unfortunately with the open process we have here, it is quite easy to judge > works before they have fully formed and thus adopt an unfair bias against a > final work that otherwise may have seemed quite satisfactory. While that may be possible, I doubt that it is a significant factor. It may be true in cases where it was simply the superficial details which were objectionable. However, it would not hold true in cases where the disagreement was more fundamental than that. Again, appropriateness for a particular audience would be one example of this. ... >> One thing that we need to stop right now is the "us" versus "them" >> mentality. > > That would be great, I really look forward to this! It's a real shame. all > the aggression that's happening on fedora-desktop-list concerning the > artwork. The artwork list was left off of the cc as well, which makes me > think the thread was started only to cause strife and not to help improve > things (if it was meant constructively I don't understand leaving out the > very folks involved in the decision it ranted about.) It's that kind of > aggressive, adversarial behavior that really makes me question why I bother. > (maybe from your POV it would be a good thing if I quit the art team, who > knows) But I certainly don't see that type of behavior coming from the art > team in the reverse direction, for sure. I didn't write those things and I can't answer for what other people write. Also I think it is obvious that there is some disagreement about what it is we are building, who it is for, and how it should look. It is only natural that the people that do most of the work to build the desktop should feel pretty passionately about those things. OK, now that we've gotten all that out and blamed each other for playing "us" versus "them" - let's move on. :) >> I've heard that there is a long and sorted history between >> the Fedora art and desktop groups. Frankly, I don't know or care >> about any of that. It is all in the past. We need to focus on >> creating the right product for the right people and making it feel >> beautiful. Let's do it. > > How do you propose we "do it" since it seems clear to me that you feel we > are not doing it? I think a lot of the responsibility is on the desktop team (and also the upstream community) to communicate more effectively. We're going to work to make some of our ideas and plans more available and decision making more transparent to those who don't follow upstream lists, source repository changes, and IRC channels. Together we should engage in a conversation about what we are building and for whom. Thanks, Jon From duffy at fedoraproject.org Wed Oct 29 00:33:31 2008 From: duffy at fedoraproject.org (Mairin Duffy) Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 20:33:31 -0400 Subject: Artwork Quality (was Re: Sound themes) In-Reply-To: <939dd5750810281525u6e8b6f39ma6b674601a731262@mail.gmail.com> References: <49001C83.7040503@nicubunu.ro> <939dd5750810231034t2d7032b7jaafc15ae411cd97d@mail.gmail.com> <49013AC2.9060808@redhat.com> <939dd5750810281525u6e8b6f39ma6b674601a731262@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4907AF5B.5030107@fedoraproject.org> William Jon McCann wrote: > Hi, > > I'm not sure that message-dissection is a particularly fruitful way to > respond to the general theme and tone of a message. But I'll respond > here because I find it somewhat better than having discussions via > blog posts. Well, I am sorry that you feel I was having a discussion with you via my blog (I was not.) It took you quite some time to reply to this thread and to be honest I was surprised that you did since you failed to reply to me the last time I tried to reach out to you about similar issues. > > For reference, the original message was: > https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-art-list/2008-October/msg00246.html > > On Thu, Oct 23, 2008 at 11:02 PM, M?ir?n Duffy wrote: >> William Jon McCann wrote: >>> It is not often fun to be told that your work is not good enough or >>> inappropriate. >> It seems you've hijacked a thread about sound themes to indirectly allude >> that the art team's work is not good enough or appropriate. If you do >> believe this, it would be better to give direct feedback rather than beat >> around the bush. Specific critiques about the Fedora 10 artwork, which I >> think exceeds the F9 artwork by far, would be greatly appreciated. Also, >> please consider that we have a number of non-native English speakers here >> who might not necessarily pick up on the nuances of your message. > > I was responding to Nicu's mail. I took the opportunity to try to > start a discussion that I think we need have have. A discussion about > our audience, product vision, and community expectations. I was not > talking about any artwork in particular. This is the problem - not talking about anything in particular, making very general and vague statements without any specifics. I understand that there are a small number of very vocal desktop team members who do not like the artwork very much. We have known this for 2 years now. I have never seen any specific feedback about how the artwork is inappropriate nor any discussion about what audience they would like it to be designed for from these individuals. They seem to be in the minority, as evidenced by various news articles, feedback we've received, events Fedora ambassadors have attended, and even Red Hat customers I have visited. So, pointing out the obvious conflict here is not really helpful since we know well that it exists. If you'd like to point out specific ways in which you think the F10 artwork does not cater to your imagined audience, then *that* would very likely be a useful, fruitful discussion. But just generally dismissing all of the efforts of this team (by "this team" I mean the Fedora Art team as we are on fedora-art-list) by saying they don't align with your vision for the desktop, without saying what that vision is, and by saying they don't align with your audience, without stating who you think the audience is, is really not useful as I see it. > As you know I have given > direct feedback on artwork in the past and will continue to do so in > the future. Really? Where? I saw your PDF but IIRC it just juxtaposes different wallpapers, it does not call out specific critique points in the Fedora wallpaper. Also, I have not seen any feedback from you on the F10 wallpaper. Can you tell me where it is while I still have a chance to incorporate it? (Although it's quite late in the game now) > However, in this case, it was not my intention except for > a comment that the sound theme Nicu pointed out wasn't exactly > appropriate. I'm confused because your message spanned a lot more than the sound theme. > > ... >>> You would be right to point out here that we don't all agree on what >>> our audience is and what our product should feel like. >>> That is indeed a serious problem. >> How do you propose to fix it? > > Well, as a first step, I was hoping to start a discussion about it. Okay. Let's discuss these questions then rather than harping on the fact that 'we may disagree on things and should discuss them': - who do you think the audience for Fedora is / should be? - what are the problems you see in the Fedora 10 wallpaper with that audience in mind? - what is your vision for the Fedora desktop? how can the art team help realize that vision? > >>> Another problem is how you define who the judges are. Do you try to >>> poll your audience? (requires you to clearly define the audience) Do >>> you trust your peers? (must define peers) Do you trust the >>> critics/experts? >> While you have not come out and said directly to what you would like to >> apply these questions to, I'm happy to be quite direct and state that we >> have done all of the above on the art team. Over the past few releases we've >> tried different things and learning from them. "Growing as human beings" you >> could say, I suppose. >> >>> It is a tough problem. But it always goes back to >>> audience. Otherwise you may create something that is beautiful, >>> complete, and wrong. >> Again, I can't help but feel a bit patronized. > > Sorry to hear that - I wasn't addressing you or at anyone in > particular. The above is, however, one of the central points I was > trying to make. It is the reason why I think having a discussion > about our audience, product vision, and expectations is so important. > How can you evaluate whether what you are doing is right or wrong > without that. This is why there are so many heated debates about > these things. People are implicitly building different products for > different people. I definitely have to agree that in designing something you need to have an idea of who your audience is. For example, audience is something we discussed extensively when designing the spins.fpo site but that site is much more narrow in focus and scope than that of a desktop. So, when we design the artwork for Fedora, we can look towards the more general potential audience that the Fedora marketing team had determined quite some time ago: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing/MarketingPlan#TARGET_AUDIENCE As you can see, this is quite a large net, but in general desktop users are quite a large net. As the primary target is "Free and open source software enthusiasts, developers, and remixers", I think we are doing a number of things correctly right now: - all of the artwork we create is 100% free, when sourcing images we use appropriately licensed images, and all the artwork we produce is licensed openly; - we use FOSS tools to produce the artwork that we create; - we produce the artwork in an open, collaborative manner, and the process from start to finish is well-documented and publicized such that we can receive feedback on it starting from the very beginning of the process. - even if you are not an artist you can participate and have an affect on the artwork in the first round of proposals with a theme idea. These are things that I think 'free and open source enthusiasts, developers, and remixers' appreciate. I might even dare to suggest that even if a wallpaper is not absolutely perfect but it is produced according to the guidelines above, these type of folks may prefer it to something astoundingly beautiful but produced in a closed manner using closed tools and a restrictive license. So the art team has been focusing a lot on this open, collaborative process and trying to tweak and improve it to go along, because again, these points above are really important for our audience and the process is what makes them possible. I even did a post-mortem style presentation of how the Fedora 8 artwork process went at FOSS.in 2007, and in the past two releases we've tried some of the ideas/suggestions that we came up with to improve things as a result of that post-mortem: http://foss.in/2007/register/speakers/talkdetailspub.php?talkid=355 I think as our process solidifies more and more, we can really start to push the boundaries on the quality of the artwork. With each release we've been getting better at the schedule, and with each release we've gotten better at understanding the requirements for the artwork and what kinds of things work and what kinds of things don't. With each release we've also seen more and more contributors. For Fedora 10 Charlie and Samuele joined us, for example, and they have done a lot of simply amazing work. We're hoping to attract more talent like them in upcoming releases by having a well-defined and open process as well. But regarding our audience, as far as the audience has been defined for Fedora I think we are on the right track, looking at the rationale above and looking at the overwhelmingly positive feedback we've received from the Fedora community. So I would be very curious to hear whom you think is the target audience of Fedora and how you would change the artwork priorities/focus and process to meet your perceived audience's needs. >>> I think that the desktop wallpapers we've used by default are a good >>> example of this: >>> http://blogs.gnome.org/mccann/2008/05/30/state-of-the-art-wallpapers/ >> Why not just say the Fedora 9 wallpapers sucked instead of going to all that >> effort? I wouldn't argue with you on it. There were some real stinkers >> before we had a community art process as well. Same with the bits of the >> release in general, we've had some real stinkers with some broken bits >> shipped out of the box. So artwork and code, we've never been perfect every >> release. Even so, there are quite a few fans of the F9 wallpaper despite its >> suckage. > > They did suck and the Fedora wallpapers have been of widely varying > quality (never great) over the years. And yes one of the worst > backgrounds of all time was the "undersea tentacles" one. Which as > far as I know was not community designed. That was actually designed by a Red Hat employee and a community member working together. It is also one of the most popular Fedora wallpapers of all time. Actually there are a few Red Hatters in the Westford office with it set as their wallpaper right now. :) It's not my favorite, but the fact is I've witnessed a lot of people using it still today and we hear folks propose 'the next wallpaper should be like that one from FC6!' at the beginning of each new artwork release process. > *BUT* that is not the point > I was trying to make. The point is that one of my take-aways from > doing the wallpapers study was that other distributions and operating > systems have a much clearer sense of who they are designing for. And > I think it shows in the consistency of the work and in the specific > choices that were made. See, I didn't actually see any analysis in the study that you did, just lots of screenshots and data about file paths and formats. I would be very interested in seeing some analysis if you have a writeup somewhere, though. I do see looking over it again that many of the distros had a color or thematic theme to the default wallpapers they shipped (nature or red + blue, etc). Right now, we ship the gnome-default wallpapers and our own image. We could, I suppose, remove the gnome default wallpapers and ship some wallpapers that match our palette/theme and then the default wallpaper design. Is that a change you would propose? You keep alluding to things, "in the specific choices that were made." What choices do you think were made? "other distributions and operating systems have a much clearer sense of who they are designing for" who do you think x distro was designing for based on their wallpapers? What things about the artwork signal to you that that was their intended audience? It may be blazingly clear to you, but not everyone will intrepet what the raw data you put together in the same way. Calling out specific details and providing some analysis of them I think would go a long way in making your point rather than alluding that specific things exist without actually stating what those specific things are. Our focus right now is on the default wallpapers and other branded bits (firstboot/anaconda/syslinux/various splashes/media and sleeves/banners/etc) and we've never really done anything with the other wallpapers that ship by default. We usually are so busy with the default design that the non-default wallpapers become an afterthought since they are explicitly scheduled or planned, we just take what upstream gives us. For F11, I don't know if you think it's a good idea, we could try to have a focus on the others too and cleaning up some of the cruft that is in our wallpaper packages (there are some really horrible looking wallpaper tiles in one of the packages that the rpm post then deletes, for example.) Do you see how I am bringing up specific points here? Do you see how that might be a bit more conducive to a productive conversation? > >>> Switching gears slightly. When resources are limited, fragmentation >>> often results in inconsistency. Or, when the problem space is too >>> large or unbounded the best we can do is to define standards. For >>> desktop apps we have the GNOME Human Interface Guidelines. For icon >>> themes we have the Tango guidelines, and the upcoming Mango >>> guidelines. Widget themes are slightly different because the problem >>> is basically bounded - there are only so many widgets to theme. >> Artwork is a little different and harder to pin down than GUI design >> guidelines (which are also very difficult to pin down except on the very >> top, surface level which is all the GNOME HIG itself has actual clear >> guidelines for.) We have some basic guidelines that the artwork adhere to a >> theme that can be clearly linked back to the spirit and goals of Fedora. Its >> base color is typically a shade of blue that is the same or complementary to >> the official Fedora logo colors. We have specific guidelines about >> resolution, aspect ratio, elements (where the logo is and isn't allowed), >> and formats for every bit of artwork we put into the release. These >> requirements, of course, are just as surface-level as the guidelines for >> widget usage in the HIG. > > Probably my fault for not being clear. My point was that consistency matters. Okay, and guidelines are a means to achieve some consistency and we have them for the artwork. Would love to hear some more thoughts on you how you think we can bring some consistency to the artwork. > >> Just as you can't follow a formula like the GNOME HIG and pop out a >> beautiful, usable interface, you can't follow a formula like the Fedora >> theme guidelines and pop out a beautiful theme. The magic inbetween that >> makes something good is design. I'm quite saddened by the fact that you >> don't seem to believe this team has or is capable of having that magic, but >> I suppose to relate it to coding as you did in your message, perhaps not >> everyone felt Linus had the magic or capability to develop the magic >> necessary to start a real, usable operating system. > > Honestly, I can't see anywhere I suggested such a thing in my message. I didn't say you did, I said you seemed to and that was based on the overall tone of your message. > Not sure if I'm part of "this team" that you are referring to. If you'd like to be a member of the art team we have an outline of the steps to join here: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork#How_to_Join Although of course you don't need to be a member of the team to have discussions on this list. > >> I suppose you could suggest we hire a professional Artist to sit in a room >> by themselves and design the entire theme all by themselves to get something >> beautiful, perfect, and befitting our high-quality desktop, but then you'd >> be in conflict designing artwork in a closed manner for a community >> operating system. It's not really fair to make comparisons to how software >> development and code works only when it is convenient so let's be fair and >> complete the analogy. > > The conflict you suggest simply does not exist. No it does not anymore, thankfully. > >> The thing is, when one person designs things in a vaccuum, you only ever see >> the end product and you never see the work-in-progress so the end result I >> think always seems so impressive than if you had seen it develop in stages. >> Unfortunately with the open process we have here, it is quite easy to judge >> works before they have fully formed and thus adopt an unfair bias against a >> final work that otherwise may have seemed quite satisfactory. > > While that may be possible, I doubt that it is a significant factor. > It may be true in cases where it was simply the superficial details > which were objectionable. However, it would not hold true in cases > where the disagreement was more fundamental than that. Again, > appropriateness for a particular audience would be one example of > this. Could you please explain what audience you feel we should be focusing on and how specifically we are failing to meet their needs? > > ... >>> One thing that we need to stop right now is the "us" versus "them" >>> mentality. >> That would be great, I really look forward to this! It's a real shame. all >> the aggression that's happening on fedora-desktop-list concerning the >> artwork. The artwork list was left off of the cc as well, which makes me >> think the thread was started only to cause strife and not to help improve >> things (if it was meant constructively I don't understand leaving out the >> very folks involved in the decision it ranted about.) It's that kind of >> aggressive, adversarial behavior that really makes me question why I bother. >> (maybe from your POV it would be a good thing if I quit the art team, who >> knows) But I certainly don't see that type of behavior coming from the art >> team in the reverse direction, for sure. > > I didn't write those things and I can't answer for what other people > write. I understand that completely, but you also cannot say that the conflict "is all in the past" when it is happening right now. You cannot suggest to us, the art team, that we should lay down our arms and sing kum-ba-yah around a campfire when we are being attacked and we are not the attackers. I would like nothing more than to sing kum-ba-yah around a campfire and churn out some awesome artwork that everyone loves and have a clear vision for the desktop and our audience that the artwork meets and not be deathly afraid any time I attempt to subscribe to fedora-desktop-list again and stay on it for more than three days at a time and not be constantly demotivated by and frightened of the rage I see directed towards this team and its efforts! Some days it feels like I am more likely to get a pink pony with wings, though. I also personally feel helpless towards making things better since I try to be open and to reach out and are either ignored or see this team derided indirectly. If there is anything I or this team can do to fix this let's talk about it. > Also I think it is obvious that there is some disagreement > about what it is we are building, who it is for, and how it should > look. It is only natural that the people that do most of the work to > build the desktop should feel pretty passionately about those things. Well, we've been here, openly developing our artwork and publicizing our process. We would have loved to hear from you all along since you can bring such passion to the table, and it's been quite some time but I suppose better late than never, right? > OK, now that we've gotten all that out and blamed each other for > playing "us" versus "them" - let's move on. :) As long as the scary emails stop (apologies would also be nice but I won't push it), I'd be *so* glad to agree to that. But please, oh please make them stop. Understand that for us on the art team, it's hard to have one arm extended out to you reaching out an olive branch and the other arm of the same creature brandishing a chainsaw and waving it in your face at the same time. > >>> I've heard that there is a long and sorted history between >>> the Fedora art and desktop groups. Frankly, I don't know or care >>> about any of that. It is all in the past. We need to focus on >>> creating the right product for the right people and making it feel >>> beautiful. Let's do it. >> How do you propose we "do it" since it seems clear to me that you feel we >> are not doing it? > > I think a lot of the responsibility is on the desktop team (and also > the upstream community) to communicate more effectively. What do you mean by upstream? You mean the Fedora Artwork team is the upstream for the Fedora-branded artwork, right? I think the GNOME art team upstream, at least, accepts and understands that individual distros will impose their own branding on their desktops, and I don't think there is any issue with that. (Andreas, I won't put any words in your mouth but I remember we'd discussed this at the GNOME usability summit not long ago.) > We're going > to work to make some of our ideas and plans more available and > decision making more transparent to those who don't follow upstream > lists, source repository changes, and IRC channels. By "we" I assume you mean the Red Hat desktop team. That would be great. Although I am still quite confused as to what you're talking about when, you seem to shift from talking about Fedora-specific artwork, to general artwork, to the entire desktop experience for Fedora, to the entire desktop experience for (I am assuming since you keep saying upstream) GNOME... I mean, these four things are all very different things. So let's make sure we're taking about the same thing here and let's pick one and stick with it as a focus rather than weave in and out. > Together we > should engage in a conversation about what we are building and for > whom. Okay, can we do that already rather than talking about having a conversation? ~m From mclasen at redhat.com Wed Oct 29 03:29:09 2008 From: mclasen at redhat.com (Matthias Clasen) Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 23:29:09 -0400 Subject: Artwork Quality (was Re: Sound themes) In-Reply-To: <4907AF5B.5030107@fedoraproject.org> References: <49001C83.7040503@nicubunu.ro> <939dd5750810231034t2d7032b7jaafc15ae411cd97d@mail.gmail.com> <49013AC2.9060808@redhat.com> <939dd5750810281525u6e8b6f39ma6b674601a731262@mail.gmail.com> <4907AF5B.5030107@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <1225250949.3338.60.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Tue, 2008-10-28 at 20:33 -0400, Mairin Duffy wrote: > This is the problem - not talking about anything in particular, making > very general and vague statements without any specifics. Well, the quality of artwork to a large extent consists of the general feeling that it gives the users. Which is a somewhat vague and unspecific thing, and varies from person to person. It is next to impossible to identify the one or two specific things that are wrong to cause the impression. I'll try anyway: the default Fedora backgrounds are stuck in an 'abstract, blue' box for a long time now. Jon's timeline (that you dismissed as 'just screenshots') shows this very nicely. > I understand that there are a small number of very vocal desktop team > members who do not like the artwork very much. We have known this for 2 > years now. I have never seen any specific feedback about how the artwork > is inappropriate nor any discussion about what audience they would like > it to be designed for from these individuals. They seem to be in the > minority, This I can just not let stand. Mairin. The old us vs. them game again. While some desktop team members may be more vocal and harsh in their critique than others (and, as you pointed out yourself, not native speakers, this applies in both directions), I can assure you that the dissatisfaction with some of the Fedora art is not limited to them. > Okay. Let's discuss these questions then rather than harping on the fact > that 'we may disagree on things and should discuss them': > > - who do you think the audience for Fedora is / should be? > > - what are the problems you see in the Fedora 10 wallpaper with that > audience in mind? Here I guess we come to the core of the problem. To cite the marketing material you refer to further down: PRIMARY TARGET * Free and open source software enthusiasts, developers, and remixers. I haven't polled the entire team about it, but I can pretty much guarantee you that this description is _not_ what we see as the target audience for the Fedora Desktop. SECONDARY TARGET (AS NEEDED) * General desktop users Comes probably much closer to what most Desktop team members have in mind for their audience (of course, it is too vague to be very useful). Going back to the second question, and looking at the F10 wallpaper: A blue sun ? Who is that supposed to appeal to, apart from the SciFi audience ? I admit that there is probably a larger overlap between 'open source enthusiasts' and SciFi fans than between 'general desktop users' and SciFi fans... > Our focus right now is on the default wallpapers and other branded bits > (firstboot/anaconda/syslinux/various splashes/media and > sleeves/banners/etc) and we've never really done anything with the other > wallpapers that ship by default. We usually are so busy with the default > design that the non-default wallpapers become an afterthought since they > are explicitly scheduled or planned, we just take what upstream gives > us. For F11, I don't know if you think it's a good idea, we could try to > have a focus on the others too and cleaning up some of the cruft that is > in our wallpaper packages (there are some really horrible looking > wallpaper tiles in one of the packages that the rpm post then deletes, > for example.) Indeed, the focus on the default background to the exclusion of anything else is very detrimental to the consistency of the background set we ship. I've mentioned this repeatedly in the past. Again, looking at Jon's document, it becomes very clear. We are shipping a bunch of backgrounds basically unchanged since F1. We are shipping a slowly changing set of upstream backgrounds. And we are shipping the default background, which is always abstract and blue. I look forward to continue this discussion with you, but please leave out the talk about chainsaws in the future. It makes me feel uneasy. Matthias From duffy at fedoraproject.org Wed Oct 29 04:13:35 2008 From: duffy at fedoraproject.org (Mairin Duffy) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 00:13:35 -0400 Subject: Artwork Quality (was Re: Sound themes) In-Reply-To: <1225250949.3338.60.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <49001C83.7040503@nicubunu.ro> <939dd5750810231034t2d7032b7jaafc15ae411cd97d@mail.gmail.com> <49013AC2.9060808@redhat.com> <939dd5750810281525u6e8b6f39ma6b674601a731262@mail.gmail.com> <4907AF5B.5030107@fedoraproject.org> <1225250949.3338.60.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <4907E2EF.5000709@fedoraproject.org> Matthias Clasen wrote: > On Tue, 2008-10-28 at 20:33 -0400, Mairin Duffy wrote: > >> This is the problem - not talking about anything in particular, making >> very general and vague statements without any specifics. > > Well, the quality of artwork to a large extent consists of the general > feeling that it gives the users. Which is a somewhat vague and > unspecific thing, and varies from person to person. It is next to > impossible to identify the one or two specific things that are wrong > to cause the impression. I'll try anyway: the default Fedora backgrounds > are stuck in an 'abstract, blue' box for a long time now. Jon's timeline > (that you dismissed as 'just screenshots') shows this very nicely. Okay. I remember very specifically that after F7 we were asked to focus more on abstract backgrounds. For example: https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-art-list/2007-June/msg00002.html "something much less branded and image-based" We have kept this up for a while so perhaps it is time to try to go back to the image-based artwork. With Fedora 8 particularly I remember we had some purple in the artwork and we received a lot of negative feedback on it (not from Jef, of course) because it wasn't blue so we haven't ventured there again but it may be worth another shot. I was not trying to dismiss Jon's timeline as unuseful, just that it doesn't really provide any analysis, just an overview. There is a lot that could be concluded from it. >> I understand that there are a small number of very vocal desktop team >> members who do not like the artwork very much. We have known this for 2 >> years now. I have never seen any specific feedback about how the artwork >> is inappropriate nor any discussion about what audience they would like >> it to be designed for from these individuals. They seem to be in the >> minority, > > This I can just not let stand. Mairin. The old us vs. them game again. > While some desktop team members may be more vocal and harsh in their > critique than others (and, as you pointed out yourself, not native > speakers, this applies in both directions), I can assure you that the > dissatisfaction with some of the Fedora art is not limited to them. I can understand an occasional slip up, believe me, but not a habit of being so extremely abrasive. > >> Okay. Let's discuss these questions then rather than harping on the fact >> that 'we may disagree on things and should discuss them': >> >> - who do you think the audience for Fedora is / should be? >> >> - what are the problems you see in the Fedora 10 wallpaper with that >> audience in mind? > > Here I guess we come to the core of the problem. To cite the marketing > material you refer to further down: > > PRIMARY TARGET > * Free and open source software enthusiasts, developers, and > remixers. > > I haven't polled the entire team about it, but I can pretty much > guarantee you that this description is _not_ what we see as the target > audience for the Fedora Desktop. Okay, so we may need to bring Fedora marketing into the discussion as to who Fedora's target audiences are since it seems the marketing team is marketing to the wrong audience, at least as far as the desktop spin is concerned? Perhaps marketing should develop different target audiences/strategy depending on the part of Fedora being marketed since maybe the audiences are different depending on the particular spin or other part of Fedora involved. > > SECONDARY TARGET (AS NEEDED) > * General desktop users > > Comes probably much closer to what most Desktop team members have in > mind for their audience (of course, it is too vague to be very useful). The vagueness is the problem. > > Going back to the second question, and looking at the F10 wallpaper: > A blue sun ? Who is that supposed to appeal to, apart from the SciFi > audience ? I admit that there is probably a larger overlap between 'open > source enthusiasts' and SciFi fans than between 'general desktop users' > and SciFi fans... Honestly? How about a big abstract orange bird? Or green swirls? Or a field with flowers? Or an aurora in space? Of course if you pose it in that way it sounds ridiculous. A lot of highly-ranked wallpapers on deviantart though, for example, are space-themed. When the concept was proposed in round 1, I don't remember there being any complaints about it; there was a lot of enthusiasm about Samuele's mockups. >> Our focus right now is on the default wallpapers and other branded bits >> (firstboot/anaconda/syslinux/various splashes/media and >> sleeves/banners/etc) and we've never really done anything with the other >> wallpapers that ship by default. We usually are so busy with the default >> design that the non-default wallpapers become an afterthought since they >> are explicitly scheduled or planned, we just take what upstream gives >> us. For F11, I don't know if you think it's a good idea, we could try to >> have a focus on the others too and cleaning up some of the cruft that is >> in our wallpaper packages (there are some really horrible looking >> wallpaper tiles in one of the packages that the rpm post then deletes, >> for example.) > > Indeed, the focus on the default background to the exclusion of anything > else is very detrimental to the consistency of the background set we > ship. I've mentioned this repeatedly in the past. I honestly don't remember your bringing that up so I apologize. I also honestly did not think the artwork team *could* do that? There is always the mantra of upstream, upstream, so I had thought the default wallpaper should be Fedora, but the rest should be GNOME and I do not remember any proposals to the contrary to be honest. It's I guess the way it has been for a long time and it may be a good idea to change. Do you think we should have our own *set* of Fedora wallpapers and not ship the GNOME defaults by default? Or should we be working with the GNOME art team upstream to change those defaults? (But is that appropriate, to be influencing upstream's default to be shipping wallpapers specifically chosen to 'go' with Fedora's brand?) > Again, looking at > Jon's document, it becomes very clear. We are shipping a bunch of > backgrounds basically unchanged since F1. We are shipping a slowly > changing set of upstream backgrounds. And we are shipping the default > background, which is always abstract and blue. > > I look forward to continue this discussion with you, but please leave > out the talk about chainsaws in the future. It makes me feel uneasy. This entire topic makes me feel uneasy. Hopefully this can be turned around. ~m From ianweller at gmail.com Wed Oct 29 04:27:51 2008 From: ianweller at gmail.com (Ian Weller) Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 23:27:51 -0500 Subject: Fedora 10 Countdown In-Reply-To: <4905096B.1050205@gmail.com> References: <20081023023306.GC10891@sphe.res.cmu.edu> <490010DF.9080903@nicubunu.ro> <20081023164432.GA23113@gmail.com> <4905096B.1050205@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20081029042751.GB4619@gmail.com> On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 01:20:59AM +0100, Paolo Leoni wrote: > We are near to preview release, so I have two proposals for Fedora 10 > countdown banner: > I thought we were going to adapt the beta release banner's text and leave the rest the same -- not that this artwork isn't OK, it's just fine (might need to be adapted a little bit, change the strings, whatever)... someone more important than me needs to make that decision, I think. -- Ian Weller http://ianweller.org GnuPG fingerprint: E51E 0517 7A92 70A2 4226 B050 87ED 7C97 EFA8 4A36 "Technology is a word that describes something that doesn't work yet." ~ Douglas Adams -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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After all, I think I need images to get the idea across > so words are bound to fail me. > I've added a request on the Document Illustration Services page - > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/DocIllustrationService#Request_list > > I need an image or series of images illustrating how to insert a SD card > into the OLPC XO. > > This will be used for instructions on how to load F10 onto the XO. > > I will also be using these to print instruction cards at the request of > OLPC for SD cards that will be sold along side the XO at the Give One Get > One at Amazon.com. So black and white/gray scale version would be > preferred. Perhaps a line drawing? > We need to illustrate how to access the SD slot by turning the monitor > counter clockwise and then inserting the card into the slot. These photos > may help visualize why words aren't the best way to point out where the SD > slot is. http://www.laptop.org/en/laptop/start/externalports.shtml and > http://www.laptop.org/en/laptop/start/externalports.shtml > > Thanks in advance for your time and consideration, > > Karlie Robinson > > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Wed Oct 29 07:00:18 2008 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 09:00:18 +0200 Subject: Fedora 10 Countdown In-Reply-To: <20081029042751.GB4619@gmail.com> References: <20081023023306.GC10891@sphe.res.cmu.edu> <490010DF.9080903@nicubunu.ro> <20081023164432.GA23113@gmail.com> <4905096B.1050205@gmail.com> <20081029042751.GB4619@gmail.com> Message-ID: <49080A02.1050601@nicubunu.ro> Ian Weller wrote: > On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 01:20:59AM +0100, Paolo Leoni wrote: >> We are near to preview release, so I have two proposals for Fedora 10 >> countdown banner: >> > I thought we were going to adapt the beta release banner's text and > leave the rest the same -- not that this artwork isn't OK, it's just > fine (might need to be adapted a little bit, change the strings, > whatever)... someone more important than me needs to make that decision, > I think. Like the Website project, which can see the proposals and use what they like the best? -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Wed Oct 29 07:37:20 2008 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 09:37:20 +0200 Subject: Artwork Quality (was Re: Sound themes) In-Reply-To: <4907E2EF.5000709@fedoraproject.org> References: <49001C83.7040503@nicubunu.ro> <939dd5750810231034t2d7032b7jaafc15ae411cd97d@mail.gmail.com> <49013AC2.9060808@redhat.com> <939dd5750810281525u6e8b6f39ma6b674601a731262@mail.gmail.com> <4907AF5B.5030107@fedoraproject.org> <1225250949.3338.60.camel@localhost.localdomain> <4907E2EF.5000709@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <490812B0.20903@nicubunu.ro> Mairin Duffy wrote: > Matthias Clasen wrote: >> Well, the quality of artwork to a large extent consists of the general >> feeling that it gives the users. Which is a somewhat vague and >> unspecific thing, and varies from person to person. It is next to >> impossible to identify the one or two specific things that are wrong >> to cause the impression. I'll try anyway: the default Fedora backgrounds >> are stuck in an 'abstract, blue' box for a long time now. Jon's timeline >> (that you dismissed as 'just screenshots') shows this very nicely. > > Okay. I remember very specifically that after F7 we were asked to focus > more on abstract backgrounds. For example: > > https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-art-list/2007-June/msg00002.html > > "something much less branded and image-based" > > We have kept this up for a while so perhaps it is time to try to go back > to the image-based artwork. I am one of those strongly believing our default artwork should be blue, it is part of our identity. I want a desktop that is easy to be recognized as "Fedora" and we can do this either by sticking to our "signature" color as default or by putting a huge "infinity bubble" in the middle of the screen... with the later option not being feasible. >> I haven't polled the entire team about it, but I can pretty much >> guarantee you that this description is _not_ what we see as the target >> audience for the Fedora Desktop. > > Okay, so we may need to bring Fedora marketing into the discussion as to > who Fedora's target audiences are since it seems the marketing team is > marketing to the wrong audience, at least as far as the desktop spin is > concerned? Perhaps marketing should develop different target > audiences/strategy depending on the part of Fedora being marketed since > maybe the audiences are different depending on the particular spin or > other part of Fedora involved. I am not sure I am reading this right, but it may be the intention for a "Desktop" spin with a different target audience than the rest of the distro. > Do you think we should have our own *set* of Fedora wallpapers and not > ship the GNOME defaults by default? Or should we be working with the > GNOME art team upstream to change those defaults? (But is that > appropriate, to be influencing upstream's default to be shipping > wallpapers specifically chosen to 'go' with Fedora's brand?) Then good thing we started a "Wallpaper Extras" collection in the wiki, hopefully we will be able to select a few good ones from there. Maybe we should advertise the project more to get more and hopefully better contributions. -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From jonrob at fedoraproject.org Wed Oct 29 08:19:19 2008 From: jonrob at fedoraproject.org (Jonathan Roberts) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 08:19:19 +0000 Subject: Artwork Quality (was Re: Sound themes) In-Reply-To: <1225250949.3338.60.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <49001C83.7040503@nicubunu.ro> <939dd5750810231034t2d7032b7jaafc15ae411cd97d@mail.gmail.com> <49013AC2.9060808@redhat.com> <939dd5750810281525u6e8b6f39ma6b674601a731262@mail.gmail.com> <4907AF5B.5030107@fedoraproject.org> <1225250949.3338.60.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <507738ef0810290119l5f33d170t4b0c59927d894fa3@mail.gmail.com> > PRIMARY TARGET > * Free and open source software enthusiasts, developers, and > remixers. > > I haven't polled the entire team about it, but I can pretty much > guarantee you that this description is _not_ what we see as the target > audience for the Fedora Desktop. Matthias, I guess the best I can do is invite you to come and discuss this issue with us on the marketing list. The reason, I think, we decided to go with this as our primary audience, is that the pace of development in Fedora, the amount of breakage, and our inability to ship restricted software by default means that in reality, we're not going to be a distribution for your average desktop user. While they might make a suitable secondary audience, from the point of view of promoting the great desktop development work you do, they're not necessarily the people who are most likely to actually be using the desktop in Fedora (though they may well use Fedora technologies in other distributions - and we want them to know this!) If you disagree, please come and talk with us! Of course, this does not necessarily mean that we can't design artwork for that audience, but I trust in the hands of the art team ... Jon From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Wed Oct 29 08:59:18 2008 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 10:59:18 +0200 Subject: Artwork Quality (was Re: Sound themes) In-Reply-To: <939dd5750810281525u6e8b6f39ma6b674601a731262@mail.gmail.com> References: <49001C83.7040503@nicubunu.ro> <939dd5750810231034t2d7032b7jaafc15ae411cd97d@mail.gmail.com> <49013AC2.9060808@redhat.com> <939dd5750810281525u6e8b6f39ma6b674601a731262@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <490825E6.1020105@nicubunu.ro> William Jon McCann wrote: > > I'm not sure that message-dissection is a particularly fruitful way to > respond to the general theme and tone of a message. But I'll respond > here because I find it somewhat better than having discussions via > blog posts. Speaking of blog posts, Jon, I noticed that your blog is aggregated only on Planet Gnome, not also on Planet Fedora, so a good part of our [Fedora] community miss some interesting posts regarding the desktop (like the recent one about "Presentity", but also the old one about wallpapers, covered in this thread). I think you may want fo be hard also by the Fedora users: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Planet/Join -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From ivazqueznet at gmail.com Wed Oct 29 09:51:46 2008 From: ivazqueznet at gmail.com (Ignacio Vazquez-Abrams) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 05:51:46 -0400 Subject: four f's poster designs In-Reply-To: <49012CD1.2050007@fedoraproject.org> References: <49012CD1.2050007@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <1225273906.25414.191.camel@ignacio.lan> On Thu, 2008-10-23 at 22:02 -0400, Mairin Duffy wrote: > I put together some designs for the four f's posters. Excellent work as always. I share Ian's concerns about the exact slicing of the logo (midway? Edge? 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Fedora is *forced* to be a lot of things to a lot of people. Some of the things that Fedora has to be (simultaneously) are: 1) The premiere community development platform in the OSS world. 2) An open R&D lab for new technologies that Red Hat is interested in from a RHEL server point of view (witness virtualization's path through Fedora over the years) 3) An open R&D lab for new ideas and technologies that Red Hat's desktop team is interested in. There are others too. The point is, the very heart of Fedora -- the nature of what we are, and what our sponsor company Red Hat asks that Fedora be -- will sometimes generate conflict, because there are multiple constituencies that must always be made happy. I firmly believe that the INFRASTRUCTURE OF PARTICIPATION that Fedora builds is the lifeblood that sustains the entire project. Without continually building and nurturing a strong community, Fedora might still produce a distro every six months, but that distro will be unable to provide any additional value back to Red Hat than a proprietary R&D model. And if that happens, then *some* of Fedora's key goals will have been failures, and almost all of the people that Red Hat pays to spend 100% of their time on Fedora should be fired immediately, including me. Now, let's look at the current situation: We have a Desktop team that is trying to innovate towards its particular vision. I will admit that I don't know enough about what that vision is as I would like to, but I am definitely eager to learn. Questions that I think are valid: (1) How does the Fedora Art team's *processes* around creating the default artwork for each Fedora release hinder the Desktop team's ability to achieve the goals that it has for Fedora? (2) What is the end-state of all of this that the Desktop team wants? It's much easier to find common ground in the middle when both sides understand what the other is actually trying to achieve. Let's all get our agendas out in the open. Everyone has an agenda, there is nothing evil or wrong with that. So let's share them. What does the Desktop Team actually want? Is it "complete control over everything that is seen in runlevel 5?" Is it something else? I have no idea. What is the delta between the decision making ability and leadership ability that the Desktop Team has *right now*, and what the Desktop Team thinks it should be. (3) How appropriate is it characterize opinions as belonging to the Desktop Team versus individuals within that team? Far better for the Art Team to have one set of positions and the Desktop Team to have another set of positions, but to know that the collective members of those teams all agree with the starting points. Then you can have one conversation, as opposed to 7 or 8 individual ones. (4) Does the Desktop Team feel that it has participated in the public processes that the Art Team has set up? Does the DT feel that is has been shut out from the process? Or does the DT simply not like the process, and therefore doesn't want to participate in it? (5) What needs to be done to finally end this cycle of conversations in a way that everyone can live with? We've been having the same instance of this talk since Fedora 6/7 timeframe, and one way or another, it has to end. So again, what is the end state that the Desktop Team is looking to realize? === I submit to you all that this isn't a problem that the Fedora Marketing team can solve. This Artwork v Desktop squabble is a problem about the fundamental way in which Fedora prioritizes the needs of its different constituencies. Red Hat has asked that Fedora be many things, as I said earlier. One of the things Red Hat asks is that Fedora be the best community development platform in the OSS world, and we strive for that every day. However, Red Hat has also asked that Fedora be the incubator for the Red Hat Desktop Team. If those two requests are so incompatible with each other that only one of those goals can be achieved, that is a RED HAT problem and not a FEDORA problem, and we should take that conversation to our managers internally. --Max From hydra84 at gmail.com Wed Oct 29 11:56:17 2008 From: hydra84 at gmail.com (Paolo Leoni) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 12:56:17 +0100 Subject: Fedora 10 Countdown In-Reply-To: <20081029042751.GB4619@gmail.com> References: <20081023023306.GC10891@sphe.res.cmu.edu> <490010DF.9080903@nicubunu.ro> <20081023164432.GA23113@gmail.com> <4905096B.1050205@gmail.com> <20081029042751.GB4619@gmail.com> Message-ID: <49084F61.4070408@gmail.com> > I thought we were going to adapt the beta release banner's text and > leave the rest the same -- not that this artwork isn't OK, it's just > fine (might need to be adapted a little bit, change the strings, > whatever)... someone more important than me needs to make that decision, > I think. I have sent only a little contribution with the hope it can be useful for the community, if it isn't, no problem :-) -- Paolo Leoni ~ http://pleoni.altervista.org GPG fingerprint: DAD1 6419 D42B 0B1C D9E1 A9CB 4587 4812 17F7 F764 From nisses.mail at home.se Wed Oct 29 12:29:59 2008 From: nisses.mail at home.se (Andreas Nilsson) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 13:29:59 +0100 Subject: Artwork Quality (was Re: Sound themes) In-Reply-To: <4907AF5B.5030107@fedoraproject.org> References: <49001C83.7040503@nicubunu.ro> <939dd5750810231034t2d7032b7jaafc15ae411cd97d@mail.gmail.com> <49013AC2.9060808@redhat.com> <939dd5750810281525u6e8b6f39ma6b674601a731262@mail.gmail.com> <4907AF5B.5030107@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <49085747.5020406@home.se> Mairin Duffy wrote: > William Jon McCann wrote: >> I think a lot of the responsibility is on the desktop team (and also >> the upstream community) to communicate more effectively. > What do you mean by upstream? You mean the Fedora Artwork team is the > upstream for the Fedora-branded artwork, right? > > I think the GNOME art team upstream, at least, accepts and understands > that individual distros will impose their own branding on their > desktops, and I don't think there is any issue with that. (Andreas, I > won't put any words in your mouth but I remember we'd discussed this > at the GNOME usability summit not long ago.) We know upstream that this happens and for stuff like backgrounds it doesn't really matter I think (hence why it completely blew my mind that some people got upset by the background decision [1], since the only people who will see that one is the few people who compile GNOME themselves). gnome-backgrounds is a nice little package with some cool stuff in it, but I'm confident that most people will replace their background with a crappy pic of their dog or whatever anyway. Backgrounds are also relatively cheap to produce and is highly visible (ie people who don't really care about computers will actually notice them, I wouldn't say the same thing is true for icons and widgets, except when things looks "weird and unpolished"). When it comes to widgets, things can possibly get a bit more unpredictable for app developers and will result in a couple of more bugs (and fixes for one thing in Fedora and another thing upstream, but probably not the same thing). As for icons I think Fedora does exactly the right thing with Mist. It follows the tango guidelines, so it will work well with 90% of the other stuff out there and is shipped with gnome-themes, so any bug fixes will benefit both ways, but still allows Fedora to maintain the distinct blue look. Another cool thing is that Susan Kare [2] originally designed Mist for Eazel [3], so it's a nice nod to computer history. :) 1. http://www.andreasn.se/blog/?p=58 2. http://www.kare.com 3. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eazel - Andreas From mlanglie at redhat.com Wed Oct 29 13:59:55 2008 From: mlanglie at redhat.com (Michael Langlie) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 09:59:55 -0400 (EDT) Subject: F10 on OLPC XO illustration request In-Reply-To: <671a617b0810282202n33f90b84l6e8f516651a381a8@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <287391316.231001225288794603.JavaMail.root@zmail02.collab.prod.int.phx2.redhat.com> Hi Karlie, I can render the process of positioning the XO and inserting an SD card in several steps as technical illustrations. Dan Williams demonstrated for me and it looks like a drawing may also be needed for removing the SD card. I will try to have these for you by the end of this week or early next week. Mike Langlie ----- Original Message ----- On Wed, Oct 29, 2008 at 2:45 AM, Karlie Robinson < karlie_robinson at webpath.net > wrote: Good afternoon everyone. Good afternoon, a quick intro and then the real reason I'm here. I'm Karlie Robinson, a Fedora Ambassador and most recently a member of the Fedora OLPC SIG. This is my first time requesting artwork, so please don't hesitate to email for clarification. After all, I think I need images to get the idea across so words are bound to fail me. I've added a request on the Document Illustration Services page - http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/DocIllustrationService#Request_list I need an image or series of images illustrating how to insert a SD card into the OLPC XO. This will be used for instructions on how to load F10 onto the XO. I will also be using these to print instruction cards at the request of OLPC for SD cards that will be sold along side the XO at the Give One Get One at Amazon.com. So black and white/gray scale version would be preferred. Perhaps a line drawing? We need to illustrate how to access the SD slot by turning the monitor counter clockwise and then inserting the card into the slot. These photos may help visualize why words aren't the best way to point out where the SD slot is. http://www.laptop.org/en/laptop/start/externalports.shtml and http://www.laptop.org/en/laptop/start/externalports.shtml Thanks in advance for your time and consideration, Karlie Robinson From stickster at gmail.com Wed Oct 29 14:46:04 2008 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 14:46:04 +0000 Subject: Artwork Quality (was Re: Sound themes) In-Reply-To: References: <49001C83.7040503@nicubunu.ro> <939dd5750810231034t2d7032b7jaafc15ae411cd97d@mail.gmail.com> <49013AC2.9060808@redhat.com> <939dd5750810281525u6e8b6f39ma6b674601a731262@mail.gmail.com> <4907AF5B.5030107@fedoraproject.org> <1225250949.3338.60.camel@localhost.localdomain> <507738ef0810290119l5f33d170t4b0c59927d894fa3@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1225291564.13550.70.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Wed, 2008-10-29 at 11:24 +0100, Max Spevack wrote: > On Wed, 29 Oct 2008, Jonathan Roberts wrote: > > >> PRIMARY TARGET > >> * Free and open source software enthusiasts, developers, and > >> remixers. > >> > >> I haven't polled the entire team about it, but I can pretty much > >> guarantee you that this description is _not_ what we see as the > >> target audience for the Fedora Desktop. > > Fedora is *forced* to be a lot of things to a lot of people. > > Some of the things that Fedora has to be (simultaneously) are: > > 1) The premiere community development platform in the OSS world. > > 2) An open R&D lab for new technologies that Red Hat is interested in > from a RHEL server point of view (witness virtualization's path through > Fedora over the years) > > 3) An open R&D lab for new ideas and technologies that Red Hat's desktop > team is interested in. > > There are others too. The point is, the very heart of Fedora -- the > nature of what we are, and what our sponsor company Red Hat asks that > Fedora be -- will sometimes generate conflict, because there are > multiple constituencies that must always be made happy. For what it's worth, I've talked about this with the Desktop team's leader in Red Hat, Jonathan Blandford, on a couple occasions since I came on board. There are indeed multiple masters to serve, and it's vital that Fedora also preserve the ability for the people who work on technologies like virtualization or SELinux to use Fedora for R&D. Fedora owes its very strong reputation for being a cutting edge technology leader to that flexibility. And that's why my only difference with the above is that Fedora enjoys the privilege of this leadership position, rather than being forced into it. > I firmly believe that the INFRASTRUCTURE OF PARTICIPATION that Fedora > builds is the lifeblood that sustains the entire project. Without > continually building and nurturing a strong community, Fedora might > still produce a distro every six months, but that distro will be unable > to provide any additional value back to Red Hat than a proprietary R&D > model. And if that happens, then *some* of Fedora's key goals will have > been failures, and almost all of the people that Red Hat pays to spend > 100% of their time on Fedora should be fired immediately, including me. > > Now, let's look at the current situation: > > We have a Desktop team that is trying to innovate towards its particular > vision. I will admit that I don't know enough about what that vision is > as I would like to, but I am definitely eager to learn. As am I -- there's a good opportunity to do this at FUDCon in January, but certainly I don't want to just let things stew until then. That happens to be a perfect time to communicate this vision to a sizable portion of the community that will be gathered for that event. > Questions that I think are valid: > > (1) How does the Fedora Art team's *processes* around creating the > default artwork for each Fedora release hinder the Desktop team's > ability to achieve the goals that it has for Fedora? > > (2) What is the end-state of all of this that the Desktop team wants? > It's much easier to find common ground in the middle when both sides > understand what the other is actually trying to achieve. Let's all get > our agendas out in the open. Everyone has an agenda, there is nothing > evil or wrong with that. So let's share them. What does the Desktop > Team actually want? Is it "complete control over everything that is > seen in runlevel 5?" Is it something else? I have no idea. What is > the delta between the decision making ability and leadership ability > that the Desktop Team has *right now*, and what the Desktop Team thinks > it should be. > > (3) How appropriate is it characterize opinions as belonging to the > Desktop Team versus individuals within that team? Far better for the > Art Team to have one set of positions and the Desktop Team to have > another set of positions, but to know that the collective members of > those teams all agree with the starting points. Then you can have one > conversation, as opposed to 7 or 8 individual ones. Thus the communication of vision. Certainly the Desktop team's vision is what should be driving the conversations. > (4) Does the Desktop Team feel that it has participated in the public > processes that the Art Team has set up? Does the DT feel that is has > been shut out from the process? Or does the DT simply not like the > process, and therefore doesn't want to participate in it? > > (5) What needs to be done to finally end this cycle of conversations in > a way that everyone can live with? We've been having the same instance > of this talk since Fedora 6/7 timeframe, and one way or another, it has > to end. So again, what is the end state that the Desktop Team is > looking to realize? > > === > > I submit to you all that this isn't a problem that the Fedora Marketing > team can solve. This Artwork v Desktop squabble is a problem about the > fundamental way in which Fedora prioritizes the needs of its different > constituencies. > > Red Hat has asked that Fedora be many things, as I said earlier. One of > the things Red Hat asks is that Fedora be the best community development that t > platform in the OSS world, and we strive for that every day. However, > Red Hat has also asked that Fedora be the incubator for the Red Hat > Desktop Team. > > If those two requests are so incompatible with each other that only one > of those goals can be achieved, that is a RED HAT problem and not a > FEDORA problem, and we should take that conversation to our managers > internally. In the same way that the KDE Live spin allows the KDE SIG to do justice to their favored platform, maybe the Desktop Live spin can do the same thing for the Desktop team. There are probably other questions needing resolution, like how we provide a specific user experience on that spin, while maintaining the general distribution's compatibility with other technical features contributed to Fedora by other groups, for example SELinux, virt, and so on. That wouldn't be so different from ideas like the Sugar spin, would it? -- Paul W. Frields gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://paul.frields.org/ - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From karlie_robinson at webpath.net Wed Oct 29 15:19:10 2008 From: karlie_robinson at webpath.net (Karlie Robinson) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 11:19:10 -0400 Subject: F10 on OLPC XO illustration request In-Reply-To: <671a617b0810282202n33f90b84l6e8f516651a381a8@mail.gmail.com> References: <490741C1.90609@webpath.net> <671a617b0810282202n33f90b84l6e8f516651a381a8@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <49087EEE.9010409@webpath.net> I don't know, but I can find out. Though I did get these yesterday - I don't know if they'll help at all http://en.flossmanuals.net/floss/publish/XO/rsrc/XO/resized_600x398_sdcardinsertion.JPG >> http://dev.laptop.org/~bjordan/sdcards/ ryan lerch wrote: > Are there any existing line drawings / vector drawings of the XO (even > a CAD representation of the XO may be useful)? > > cheers, > ryanlerch > > On Wed, Oct 29, 2008 at 2:45 AM, Karlie Robinson > > wrote: > > Good afternoon everyone. > Good afternoon, a quick intro and then the real reason I'm here. > I'm Karlie Robinson, a Fedora Ambassador and most recently a > member of the Fedora OLPC SIG. > This is my first time requesting artwork, so please don't hesitate > to email for clarification. After all, I think I need images to > get the idea across so words are bound to fail me. > I've added a request on the Document Illustration Services page - > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/DocIllustrationService#Request_list > > I need an image or series of images illustrating how to insert a > SD card into the OLPC XO. > > This will be used for instructions on how to load F10 onto the XO. > > I will also be using these to print instruction cards at the > request of OLPC for SD cards that will be sold along side the XO > at the Give One Get One at Amazon.com. So black and white/gray > scale version would be preferred. Perhaps a line drawing? > We need to illustrate how to access the SD slot by turning the > monitor counter clockwise and then inserting the card into the > slot. These photos may help visualize why words aren't the best > way to point out where the SD slot is. > http://www.laptop.org/en/laptop/start/externalports.shtml and > http://www.laptop.org/en/laptop/start/externalports.shtml > > Thanks in advance for your time and consideration, > > Karlie Robinson > > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list > From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Wed Oct 29 19:08:06 2008 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 00:38:06 +0530 Subject: Artwork Quality (was Re: Sound themes) In-Reply-To: <1225250949.3338.60.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <49001C83.7040503@nicubunu.ro> <939dd5750810231034t2d7032b7jaafc15ae411cd97d@mail.gmail.com> <49013AC2.9060808@redhat.com> <939dd5750810281525u6e8b6f39ma6b674601a731262@mail.gmail.com> <4907AF5B.5030107@fedoraproject.org> <1225250949.3338.60.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <4908B496.4080006@fedoraproject.org> Matthias Clasen wrote: > This I can just not let stand. Mairin. The old us vs. them game again. > While some desktop team members may be more vocal and harsh in their > critique than others (and, as you pointed out yourself, not native > speakers, this applies in both directions), I can assure you that the > dissatisfaction with some of the Fedora art is not limited to them. I am quite sure that "artwork" tends to be very subjective and it is complete not possible to please everybody. However feedback should be specific and should come early to be useful. If after 5 releases, someone says that "you know what. All the past 5 releases, artwork has been sucky. I will not tolerate this anymore", then it doesn't do anything to improve it. The impression seems to be that, distribution specific polish work is being treated as "playing in the sandbox" as opposed to upstream work which is a pretty bad attitude to take if we don't want to lose our users or letting others take credit for the work being done within Fedora. It does affect our viability in the longer run. Regular communication helps us more. Rahul From mspevack at redhat.com Wed Oct 29 19:30:27 2008 From: mspevack at redhat.com (Max Spevack) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 20:30:27 +0100 (CET) Subject: advertisement for Fedora Scholarship Message-ID: Hi guys, I'm trying to generate some buzz around this: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Scholarship and it was suggested to me that perhaps a nice looking flyer that people could print out and stick on walls at high schools or various places would be useful. I guess we'd want to include the URL, the application deadline, and something that would indicate an opportunity for Linux or FOSS users to get money for college. Perhaps (just a thought): Are you a free software hacker? Do you need money for college? Apply for the Fedora Scholarship. $2,000 per year. Travel to Fedora conference. Participate in the free software community. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Scholarship Application deadline is Feb. 16, 2009. --- Any takers for a mockup? --Max From notting at redhat.com Wed Oct 29 20:35:45 2008 From: notting at redhat.com (Bill Nottingham) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 16:35:45 -0400 Subject: Artwork Quality (was Re: Sound themes) In-Reply-To: <4907E2EF.5000709@fedoraproject.org> References: <49001C83.7040503@nicubunu.ro> <939dd5750810231034t2d7032b7jaafc15ae411cd97d@mail.gmail.com> <49013AC2.9060808@redhat.com> <939dd5750810281525u6e8b6f39ma6b674601a731262@mail.gmail.com> <4907AF5B.5030107@fedoraproject.org> <1225250949.3338.60.camel@localhost.localdomain> <4907E2EF.5000709@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <20081029203545.GA25197@nostromo.devel.redhat.com> Mairin Duffy (duffy at fedoraproject.org) said: >> PRIMARY TARGET * Free and open source software enthusiasts, >> developers, and >> remixers. >> >> I haven't polled the entire team about it, but I can pretty much >> guarantee you that this description is _not_ what we see as the target >> audience for the Fedora Desktop. > > Okay, so we may need to bring Fedora marketing into the discussion as to > who Fedora's target audiences are since it seems the marketing team is > marketing to the wrong audience, at least as far as the desktop spin is > concerned? Perhaps marketing should develop different target > audiences/strategy depending on the part of Fedora being marketed since > maybe the audiences are different depending on the particular spin or > other part of Fedora involved. They almost certainly are. The audience for Fedora Electronics Lab wouldn't be the same audience as for Fedora Desktop, which isn't (necessarily) the same audience as Fedora KDE, which isn't the same audience as 'the Fedora spin'. I'm pretty sure the audience for the latter has never been clearly defined. Since every Fedora inherits from the same package set (which includes artwork), this becomes a sticky wicket - we end up with continual conflict one way or another whenever anyone actually attempts to make a change that is for a particular audience. One example is artwork. Another might be the tty that X starts on, just to pick something out of a hat. I'm not sure what the solution is. Having the art group create different artwork for all the different targets we may serve with our spins? I suspect there's a resource problem there. Moreover, it's not like we fork initscripts for different spins, or desktop packages, etc. Bill From mmcgrath at redhat.com Wed Oct 29 23:32:08 2008 From: mmcgrath at redhat.com (Mike McGrath) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 18:32:08 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Artwork Quality (was Re: Sound themes) In-Reply-To: <1225291564.13550.70.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <49001C83.7040503@nicubunu.ro> <939dd5750810231034t2d7032b7jaafc15ae411cd97d@mail.gmail.com> <49013AC2.9060808@redhat.com> <939dd5750810281525u6e8b6f39ma6b674601a731262@mail.gmail.com> <4907AF5B.5030107@fedoraproject.org> <1225250949.3338.60.camel@localhost.localdomain> <507738ef0810290119l5f33d170t4b0c59927d894fa3@mail.gmail.com> <1225291564.13550.70.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: On Wed, 29 Oct 2008, Paul W. Frields wrote: > > > > We have a Desktop team that is trying to innovate towards its particular > > vision. I will admit that I don't know enough about what that vision is > > as I would like to, but I am definitely eager to learn. > > As am I -- there's a good opportunity to do this at FUDCon in January, > but certainly I don't want to just let things stew until then. That > happens to be a perfect time to communicate this vision to a sizable > portion of the community that will be gathered for that event. > Perhaps they should also register themselves via the bottom of this page: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Main_Page Create an IRC channel at #fedora-desktop and get involved. FWIW, I've never heard of a Fedora Desktop team. -Mike From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Wed Oct 29 23:37:12 2008 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 05:07:12 +0530 Subject: Artwork Quality (was Re: Sound themes) In-Reply-To: References: <49001C83.7040503@nicubunu.ro> <939dd5750810231034t2d7032b7jaafc15ae411cd97d@mail.gmail.com> <49013AC2.9060808@redhat.com> <939dd5750810281525u6e8b6f39ma6b674601a731262@mail.gmail.com> <4907AF5B.5030107@fedoraproject.org> <1225250949.3338.60.camel@localhost.localdomain> <507738ef0810290119l5f33d170t4b0c59927d894fa3@mail.gmail.com> <1225291564.13550.70.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <4908F3A8.800@fedoraproject.org> Mike McGrath wrote: > Perhaps they should also register themselves via the bottom of this page: > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Main_Page > > Create an IRC channel at #fedora-desktop and get involved. FWIW, I've > never heard of a Fedora Desktop team. Well, there is already a #fedora-desktop channel. Unfortunately it is in Gimpnet instead of Freenode and tends to be more disconnected from the Fedora community as a result but the Fedora desktop team believes that that since they are build around GNOME, the advantage of a better connection with the upstream community outweighs the disadvantages. Rahul From mmcgrath at redhat.com Wed Oct 29 23:43:55 2008 From: mmcgrath at redhat.com (Mike McGrath) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 18:43:55 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Artwork Quality (was Re: Sound themes) In-Reply-To: <4908F3A8.800@fedoraproject.org> References: <49001C83.7040503@nicubunu.ro> <939dd5750810231034t2d7032b7jaafc15ae411cd97d@mail.gmail.com> <49013AC2.9060808@redhat.com> <939dd5750810281525u6e8b6f39ma6b674601a731262@mail.gmail.com> <4907AF5B.5030107@fedoraproject.org> <1225250949.3338.60.camel@localhost.localdomain> <507738ef0810290119l5f33d170t4b0c59927d894fa3@mail.gmail.com> <1225291564.13550.70.camel@localhost.localdomain> <4908F3A8.800@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: On Thu, 30 Oct 2008, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > Mike McGrath wrote: > > > Perhaps they should also register themselves via the bottom of this page: > > > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Main_Page > > > > Create an IRC channel at #fedora-desktop and get involved. FWIW, I've > > never heard of a Fedora Desktop team. > > Well, there is already a #fedora-desktop channel. Unfortunately it is in > Gimpnet instead of Freenode and tends to be more disconnected from the Fedora > community as a result but the Fedora desktop team believes that that since > they are build around GNOME, the advantage of a better connection with the > upstream community outweighs the disadvantages. > Seriously? Does the Fedora Desktop team have any actual ties to Fedora or just name sharing similar to our relationship with OLPC? -Mike From martin.sourada at gmail.com Thu Oct 30 00:12:29 2008 From: martin.sourada at gmail.com (Martin Sourada) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 01:12:29 +0100 Subject: Updated Solar Backgrounds Package Message-ID: <1225325549.2717.20.camel@pc-notebook> Hi, I've just built an updated Solar Backgrounds Package with many fixes provided by Mo, and more resolutions/ratios [1]. As per request from both gnome and kde folks the package has been split into solar-backgrounds (for Desktop Live Spin) solar-backgrounds-common (for KDE) and solar-backgrounds-extras (containing everything not included in the previous two). Since we are in freeze already (sorry for it, we could not make it in time) and the packages are rather big, I'd like you to test it first before I request a freeze break. You can d/l from koji [1]. Please report any problems, preferably on fedora-art-list or by mail to me directly. If no serious problems/regressions are reported, I'll request a freeze break at Friday. Thanks, Martin References: [1] https://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/buildinfo?buildID=68050 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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PNG preview: http://yipyop.com/XO/XO_SD_card.png SVG, EPS, AI and PNG files: http://yipyop.com/XO/XO_SD_card.zip Mike From mclasen at redhat.com Thu Oct 30 00:56:44 2008 From: mclasen at redhat.com (Matthias Clasen) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 20:56:44 -0400 Subject: Artwork Quality (was Re: Sound themes) In-Reply-To: References: <49001C83.7040503@nicubunu.ro> <939dd5750810231034t2d7032b7jaafc15ae411cd97d@mail.gmail.com> <49013AC2.9060808@redhat.com> <939dd5750810281525u6e8b6f39ma6b674601a731262@mail.gmail.com> <4907AF5B.5030107@fedoraproject.org> <1225250949.3338.60.camel@localhost.localdomain> <507738ef0810290119l5f33d170t4b0c59927d894fa3@mail.gmail.com> <1225291564.13550.70.camel@localhost.localdomain> <4908F3A8.800@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <1225328204.9672.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Wed, 2008-10-29 at 18:43 -0500, Mike McGrath wrote: > On Thu, 30 Oct 2008, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > > > Mike McGrath wrote: > > > > > Perhaps they should also register themselves via the bottom of this page: > > > > > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Main_Page > > > > > > Create an IRC channel at #fedora-desktop and get involved. FWIW, I've > > > never heard of a Fedora Desktop team. > > > > Well, there is already a #fedora-desktop channel. Unfortunately it is in > > Gimpnet instead of Freenode and tends to be more disconnected from the Fedora > > community as a result but the Fedora desktop team believes that that since > > they are build around GNOME, the advantage of a better connection with the > > upstream community outweighs the disadvantages. > > > > Seriously? Does the Fedora Desktop team have any actual ties to Fedora or > just name sharing similar to our relationship with OLPC? Mike, can we leave this kind of stuff on fedora-devel-list, please ? From mclasen at redhat.com Thu Oct 30 01:22:38 2008 From: mclasen at redhat.com (Matthias Clasen) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 21:22:38 -0400 Subject: Artwork Quality (was Re: Sound themes) In-Reply-To: <490812B0.20903@nicubunu.ro> References: <49001C83.7040503@nicubunu.ro> <939dd5750810231034t2d7032b7jaafc15ae411cd97d@mail.gmail.com> <49013AC2.9060808@redhat.com> <939dd5750810281525u6e8b6f39ma6b674601a731262@mail.gmail.com> <4907AF5B.5030107@fedoraproject.org> <1225250949.3338.60.camel@localhost.localdomain> <4907E2EF.5000709@fedoraproject.org> <490812B0.20903@nicubunu.ro> Message-ID: <1225329758.9672.24.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Wed, 2008-10-29 at 09:37 +0200, Nicu Buculei wrote: > I am not sure I am reading this right, but it may be the intention for a > "Desktop" spin with a different target audience than the rest of the distro. I honestly don't think that the 'rest of the distro' has any clearly defined target audience. But 'open source enthusiast' is probably a fairly good description for most of the package maintainers, so if they are just targeting themselves, they are doing ok in therms of that target definition. All of the specialized spins, on the other hand, probably have a different target audience in mind. I don't think the desktop is special in that respect. > Then good thing we started a "Wallpaper Extras" collection in the wiki, > hopefully we will be able to select a few good ones from there. Maybe we > should advertise the project more to get more and hopefully better > contributions. Yes, that would be very nice. It would be great to replace the FC1 era backgrounds we currently ship with a subset of those. From mclasen at redhat.com Thu Oct 30 01:25:44 2008 From: mclasen at redhat.com (Matthias Clasen) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 21:25:44 -0400 Subject: Artwork Quality (was Re: Sound themes) In-Reply-To: <507738ef0810290119l5f33d170t4b0c59927d894fa3@mail.gmail.com> References: <49001C83.7040503@nicubunu.ro> <939dd5750810231034t2d7032b7jaafc15ae411cd97d@mail.gmail.com> <49013AC2.9060808@redhat.com> <939dd5750810281525u6e8b6f39ma6b674601a731262@mail.gmail.com> <4907AF5B.5030107@fedoraproject.org> <1225250949.3338.60.camel@localhost.localdomain> <507738ef0810290119l5f33d170t4b0c59927d894fa3@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1225329944.9672.27.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Wed, 2008-10-29 at 08:19 +0000, Jonathan Roberts wrote: > > PRIMARY TARGET > > * Free and open source software enthusiasts, developers, and > > remixers. > > > > I haven't polled the entire team about it, but I can pretty much > > guarantee you that this description is _not_ what we see as the target > > audience for the Fedora Desktop. > > Matthias, > > I guess the best I can do is invite you to come and discuss this issue > with us on the marketing list. The reason, I think, we decided to go > with this as our primary audience, is that the pace of development in > Fedora, the amount of breakage, and our inability to ship restricted > software by default means that in reality, we're not going to be a > distribution for your average desktop user. > Yet, the very same document has the following statement, which seems to be at odds with this assessment: User Experience. Fedora offers a user experience that is unsurpassed. From duffy at fedoraproject.org Thu Oct 30 02:47:29 2008 From: duffy at fedoraproject.org (Mairin Duffy) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 22:47:29 -0400 Subject: Updated Solar Backgrounds Package In-Reply-To: <1225325549.2717.20.camel@pc-notebook> References: <1225325549.2717.20.camel@pc-notebook> Message-ID: <49092041.7040407@fedoraproject.org> Hi Martin, Martin Sourada wrote: > If no serious problems/regressions are reported, I'll request a freeze > break at Friday. Jesse said he really needs this ASAP, so I think we should get it to him tomorrow morning. He's on West Coast US time so that will give us a few more hours for folks to review but then I think we should just push it out. Hopefully we will have an opportunity to fix any other bugs as a result of preview release feedback. Thanks so much for getting this done so quickly, it's a real lifesaver! ~m From duffy at fedoraproject.org Thu Oct 30 02:52:07 2008 From: duffy at fedoraproject.org (Mairin Duffy) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 22:52:07 -0400 Subject: F10 on OLPC XO illustration request In-Reply-To: <357236649.482051225325804011.JavaMail.root@zmail02.collab.prod.int.phx2.redhat.com> References: <357236649.482051225325804011.JavaMail.root@zmail02.collab.prod.int.phx2.redhat.com> Message-ID: <49092157.8030106@fedoraproject.org> Michael Langlie wrote: > I drew a 6-step process for opening and positioning an XO laptop for SD card insertion. Let me know if anything seems to need revising or clarification. I tried to keep it simple and readable with or without additional text explanation. (Big thanks to professional hand model Dan Williams!) > wooo those are awesome! Great work! ~m From notting at redhat.com Thu Oct 30 03:00:45 2008 From: notting at redhat.com (Bill Nottingham) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 23:00:45 -0400 Subject: Artwork Quality (was Re: Sound themes) In-Reply-To: References: <49001C83.7040503@nicubunu.ro> <939dd5750810231034t2d7032b7jaafc15ae411cd97d@mail.gmail.com> <49013AC2.9060808@redhat.com> <939dd5750810281525u6e8b6f39ma6b674601a731262@mail.gmail.com> <4907AF5B.5030107@fedoraproject.org> <1225250949.3338.60.camel@localhost.localdomain> <507738ef0810290119l5f33d170t4b0c59927d894fa3@mail.gmail.com> <1225291564.13550.70.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <20081030030045.GA4467@nostromo.devel.redhat.com> Mike McGrath (mmcgrath at redhat.com) said: > Perhaps they should also register themselves via the bottom of this page: > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Main_Page > > Create an IRC channel at #fedora-desktop and get involved. FWIW, I've > never heard of a Fedora Desktop team. No offense, but... First hit in the wiki search for Desktop. fedora-desktop-list. It's not exactly hard to find, unless you're attempting to be obtuse. And if a search is too much, the wiki is fixed now. :P (Considering the XFCE, Sugar, "netbook", and other groups aren't listed...) Bill From mclasen at redhat.com Thu Oct 30 03:01:13 2008 From: mclasen at redhat.com (Matthias Clasen) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 23:01:13 -0400 Subject: Artwork Quality (was Re: Sound themes) In-Reply-To: References: <49001C83.7040503@nicubunu.ro> <939dd5750810231034t2d7032b7jaafc15ae411cd97d@mail.gmail.com> <49013AC2.9060808@redhat.com> <939dd5750810281525u6e8b6f39ma6b674601a731262@mail.gmail.com> <4907AF5B.5030107@fedoraproject.org> <1225250949.3338.60.camel@localhost.localdomain> <507738ef0810290119l5f33d170t4b0c59927d894fa3@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1225335673.9672.91.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Wed, 2008-10-29 at 11:24 +0100, Max Spevack wrote: > Fedora is *forced* to be a lot of things to a lot of people. Of course. That doesn't mean that individual spins cannot have a more clearly defined target audience. > We have a Desktop team that is trying to innovate towards its particular > vision. I will admit that I don't know enough about what that vision is > as I would like to, but I am definitely eager to learn. We are working on writing up some aspects of that vision, I'm not going to try an impromptu definition here. > What is > the delta between the decision making ability and leadership ability > that the Desktop Team has *right now*, and what the Desktop Team thinks > it should be. I don't think there is a big delta. We have editorial control of the desktop spin, just like the KDE sig has full editorial control of the KDE spin. So far, we have to a large extent failed to make use of that editorial control, since our focus has been to work upstream or on the boundaries of the desktop. > (3) How appropriate is it characterize opinions as belonging to the > Desktop Team versus individuals within that team? Far better for the > Art Team to have one set of positions and the Desktop Team to have > another set of positions, but to know that the collective members of > those teams all agree with the starting points. Then you can have one > conversation, as opposed to 7 or 8 individual ones. You mean we need to pick our sides, elect speakers and clamp down on dissenters ? Not going to happen. The single unifying characteristic of the Fedora community is that we are all individualists who speak for themselves. > (4) Does the Desktop Team feel that it has participated in the public > processes that the Art Team has set up? Does the DT feel that is has > been shut out from the process? Or does the DT simply not like the > process, and therefore doesn't want to participate in it? Not quite sure what to say here. There are several answers: There is a very strong sentiment that voting for the default is not the way to go. The process defines the possible results, by narrowing the focus and rewarding those that meet the predefined target best. Ie having such a process ensures that we'll always have an acceptable default background. But if a 'default background' is not the art that would make our desktop experience more polished, then the process will not help much. Jon invested a significant amount of work in a comparison of OS background images, and sent the document to this list. Is that participating in the process ? I guess not. But it was an attempt to influence the outcome of the process for the better. > (5) What needs to be done to finally end this cycle of conversations in > a way that everyone can live with? We've been having the same instance > of this talk since Fedora 6/7 timeframe, and one way or another, it has > to end. I don't agree with this at all. Conversation should not end. What must end is the divisive 'us' vs. 'them' mentality. The conversion about the goals and visions for the desktop and its art should continue. And I will defend the freedom of anybody in my team to criticize the art, just as everybody else is free to criticize what vt we choose to run X on. Matthias From kevin.kofler at chello.at Thu Oct 30 03:39:00 2008 From: kevin.kofler at chello.at (Kevin Kofler) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 03:39:00 +0000 (UTC) Subject: Updated Solar Backgrounds Package References: <1225325549.2717.20.camel@pc-notebook> Message-ID: Martin Sourada gmail.com> writes: > I've just built an updated Solar Backgrounds Package with many fixes > provided by Mo, and more resolutions/ratios [1]. As per request from > both gnome and kde folks the package has been split into > solar-backgrounds (for Desktop Live Spin) solar-backgrounds-common (for > KDE) and solar-backgrounds-extras (containing everything not included in > the previous two). Since we are in freeze already (sorry for it, we > could not make it in time) and the packages are rather big, I'd like you > to test it first before I request a freeze break. You can d/l from koji > [1]. Please report any problems, preferably on fedora-art-list or by > mail to me directly. Thanks a lot! I updated solar-kde-theme to use the new images. There is, however, a problem: the 1280x1024 image is only 1280x1014, any chance this can be fixed? (It leads to bad transitions between KSplash and Plasma because they use different scaling methods.) Kevin Kofler From mmcgrath at redhat.com Thu Oct 30 04:08:01 2008 From: mmcgrath at redhat.com (Mike McGrath) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 23:08:01 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Artwork Quality (was Re: Sound themes) In-Reply-To: <20081030030045.GA4467@nostromo.devel.redhat.com> References: <49001C83.7040503@nicubunu.ro> <939dd5750810231034t2d7032b7jaafc15ae411cd97d@mail.gmail.com> <49013AC2.9060808@redhat.com> <939dd5750810281525u6e8b6f39ma6b674601a731262@mail.gmail.com> <4907AF5B.5030107@fedoraproject.org> <1225250949.3338.60.camel@localhost.localdomain> <507738ef0810290119l5f33d170t4b0c59927d894fa3@mail.gmail.com> <1225291564.13550.70.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20081030030045.GA4467@nostromo.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 29 Oct 2008, Bill Nottingham wrote: > Mike McGrath (mmcgrath at redhat.com) said: > > Perhaps they should also register themselves via the bottom of this page: > > > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Main_Page > > > > Create an IRC channel at #fedora-desktop and get involved. FWIW, I've > > never heard of a Fedora Desktop team. > > No offense, but... > > First hit in the wiki search for Desktop. > > fedora-desktop-list. > > It's not exactly hard to find, unless you're attempting to be obtuse. > And if a search is too much, the wiki is fixed now. :P > > (Considering the XFCE, Sugar, "netbook", and other groups aren't listed...) > Got'cha, they're a spin group. I don't think we typically consider spins subprojects so that makes more sense. -Mike From kevin.kofler at chello.at Thu Oct 30 05:00:31 2008 From: kevin.kofler at chello.at (Kevin Kofler) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 05:00:31 +0000 (UTC) Subject: Updated Solar Backgrounds Package References: <1225325549.2717.20.camel@pc-notebook> Message-ID: Kevin Kofler chello.at> writes: > Thanks a lot! > I updated solar-kde-theme to use the new images. > There is, however, a problem: the 1280x1024 image is only 1280x1014, any > chance this can be fixed? (It leads to bad transitions between KSplash and > Plasma because they use different scaling methods.) I noticed the normalish.dual images have the correct height, and the rectangle at offset (1280,10) (i.e. the lower right corner, from (1280,10) to (2559,1023)) is identical to the 1280x1014 images (the GIMP difference tool created an all black portion when I overlay them and the fill tool confirms it's really all black). Is that observation correct? If so, I can fix the 1280x1024 images by simply taking the right half (from (1280,0) to (2559,1023)) of the normalish.dual images (or, equivalently, copying (1280,0) to (2559,9) (the 1280x10 pixel rectangle at the top right) from the normalish.dual images and adding that on top of the 1280x1024 images). Any objections to me doing that? (There's no scaling involved, and if I'm not mistaken the result will be pixel-identical to the current images and add the missing 10 pixels of height.) Kevin Kofler From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Thu Oct 30 06:53:50 2008 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 08:53:50 +0200 Subject: Fedora 10 Countdown In-Reply-To: <49084F61.4070408@gmail.com> References: <20081023023306.GC10891@sphe.res.cmu.edu> <490010DF.9080903@nicubunu.ro> <20081023164432.GA23113@gmail.com> <4905096B.1050205@gmail.com> <20081029042751.GB4619@gmail.com> <49084F61.4070408@gmail.com> Message-ID: <490959FE.4040105@nicubunu.ro> Paolo Leoni wrote: >> I thought we were going to adapt the beta release banner's text and >> leave the rest the same -- not that this artwork isn't OK, it's just >> fine (might need to be adapted a little bit, change the strings, >> whatever)... someone more important than me needs to make that decision, >> I think. > > I have sent only a little contribution with the hope it can be useful > for the community, if it isn't, no problem :-) It *is* useful. Basing it on the beta banner was a shortcut for you. -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Thu Oct 30 06:57:56 2008 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 08:57:56 +0200 Subject: F10 on OLPC XO illustration request In-Reply-To: <357236649.482051225325804011.JavaMail.root@zmail02.collab.prod.int.phx2.redhat.com> References: <357236649.482051225325804011.JavaMail.root@zmail02.collab.prod.int.phx2.redhat.com> Message-ID: <49095AF4.2080108@nicubunu.ro> Michael Langlie wrote: > I drew a 6-step process for opening and positioning an XO laptop for SD card insertion. Let me know if anything seems to need revising or clarification. I tried to keep it simple and readable with or without additional text explanation. (Big thanks to professional hand model Dan Williams!) > > PNG preview: > http://yipyop.com/XO/XO_SD_card.png > > SVG, EPS, AI and PNG files: > http://yipyop.com/XO/XO_SD_card.zip Next time can you host such files in a place where they will be up for more than a few hours? I get "404 Not Found"... fedorapeople.org is a great place for this. Also I advise you post the work in the wiki, to properly close Karlie's request and as a reference for future works. -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Thu Oct 30 08:03:41 2008 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 10:03:41 +0200 Subject: Artwork Quality (was Re: Sound themes) In-Reply-To: <1225335673.9672.91.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <49001C83.7040503@nicubunu.ro> <939dd5750810231034t2d7032b7jaafc15ae411cd97d@mail.gmail.com> <49013AC2.9060808@redhat.com> <939dd5750810281525u6e8b6f39ma6b674601a731262@mail.gmail.com> <4907AF5B.5030107@fedoraproject.org> <1225250949.3338.60.camel@localhost.localdomain> <507738ef0810290119l5f33d170t4b0c59927d894fa3@mail.gmail.com> <1225335673.9672.91.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <49096A5D.8050600@nicubunu.ro> Matthias Clasen wrote: > > Jon invested a significant amount of work in a comparison of OS > background images, and sent the document to this list. Is that > participating in the process ? I guess not. But it was an attempt to > influence the outcome of the process for the better. Sorry, but *not*. Jon wrote that piece half year ago (in May) and published it on his blog which is aggregated *only* on Planet Gnome. He didn't brought it on either fedora-desktop or fedora-art. So I qualify it as outside of the process. The talked here about it for the first time only a few days ago, roughly 6 months after publishing. -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From kevin.kofler at chello.at Thu Oct 30 08:13:44 2008 From: kevin.kofler at chello.at (Kevin Kofler) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 08:13:44 +0000 (UTC) Subject: Updated Solar Backgrounds Package References: <1225325549.2717.20.camel@pc-notebook> Message-ID: Kevin Kofler chello.at> writes: > of the normalish.dual images (or, equivalently, copying (1280,0) to (2559,9) > (the 1280x10 pixel rectangle at the top right) from the normalish.dual images > and adding that on top of the 1280x1024 images). That's what I did (can't be too careful - with that process, I can guarantee that not a single of your pixels was changed, just the missing ones added), I uploaded the result here (I already ran optipng -o7 on it): http://repo.calcforge.org/f10/solar-normalish-fixed.tar Can I commit and build this into solar-backgrounds? Kevin Kofler From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Thu Oct 30 08:21:53 2008 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 10:21:53 +0200 Subject: Artwork Quality (was Re: Sound themes) In-Reply-To: <20081029203545.GA25197@nostromo.devel.redhat.com> References: <49001C83.7040503@nicubunu.ro> <939dd5750810231034t2d7032b7jaafc15ae411cd97d@mail.gmail.com> <49013AC2.9060808@redhat.com> <939dd5750810281525u6e8b6f39ma6b674601a731262@mail.gmail.com> <4907AF5B.5030107@fedoraproject.org> <1225250949.3338.60.camel@localhost.localdomain> <4907E2EF.5000709@fedoraproject.org> <20081029203545.GA25197@nostromo.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <49096EA1.20102@nicubunu.ro> Bill Nottingham wrote: > > They almost certainly are. The audience for Fedora Electronics Lab > wouldn't be the same audience as for Fedora Desktop, which isn't > (necessarily) the same audience as Fedora KDE, which isn't the > same audience as 'the Fedora spin'. I'm pretty sure the audience > for the latter has never been clearly defined. The thing is that we want to make easier for people to "get" Fedora, with a simplified download page and such, offering as default a single option and this option is the Desktop spin, effectively making it the main spin. > Since every Fedora inherits from the same package set (which > includes artwork), this becomes a sticky wicket - we end up with continual > conflict one way or another whenever anyone actually attempts to make a > change that is for a particular audience. One example is artwork. Another > might be the tty that X starts on, just to pick something out of a hat. > > I'm not sure what the solution is. Having the art group create different > artwork for all the different targets we may serve with our spins? > I suspect there's a resource problem there. Moreover, it's not like > we fork initscripts for different spins, or desktop packages, etc. We get from time to time requests for such customized artwork, he most recent which come to my mind is the Security spin. Sometime the requests are meet with resistance by people like me who does not understand the need of a Fedora spin with a different look and feel (or the purpose of still calling it Fedora) and sometime they get followed with some artwork. But usually in such cases the artwork is... how I can say in not-offending words? ...less than perfect, since it is developed on a shortcut, not a full process. It may have not the best usability or violate the guidelines (logo usage). -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Thu Oct 30 08:53:36 2008 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 10:53:36 +0200 Subject: Artwork Quality (was Re: Sound themes) In-Reply-To: References: <49001C83.7040503@nicubunu.ro> <939dd5750810231034t2d7032b7jaafc15ae411cd97d@mail.gmail.com> <49013AC2.9060808@redhat.com> <939dd5750810281525u6e8b6f39ma6b674601a731262@mail.gmail.com> <4907AF5B.5030107@fedoraproject.org> <1225250949.3338.60.camel@localhost.localdomain> <507738ef0810290119l5f33d170t4b0c59927d894fa3@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <49097610.6080602@nicubunu.ro> Max Spevack wrote: > > (3) How appropriate is it characterize opinions as belonging to the > Desktop Team versus individuals within that team? Far better for the > Art Team to have one set of positions and the Desktop Team to have > another set of positions, but to know that the collective members of > those teams all agree with the starting points. Then you can have one > conversation, as opposed to 7 or 8 individual ones. We at the Art Team have a documented leadership structure and while we are not exactly one single voice, from my experience, we usually agree on the main points. Bus as we are literally spread all around the world (North America, South America, Europe, India, Asia) is impossible for the team to participate in face to face meetings in other way than using representatives. -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From martin.sourada at gmail.com Thu Oct 30 09:13:24 2008 From: martin.sourada at gmail.com (Martin Sourada) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 10:13:24 +0100 Subject: Updated Solar Backgrounds Package In-Reply-To: References: <1225325549.2717.20.camel@pc-notebook> Message-ID: <1225358004.2668.2.camel@pc-notebook> On Thu, 2008-10-30 at 08:13 +0000, Kevin Kofler wrote: > Kevin Kofler chello.at> writes: > > of the normalish.dual images (or, equivalently, copying (1280,0) to (2559,9) > > (the 1280x10 pixel rectangle at the top right) from the normalish.dual images > > and adding that on top of the 1280x1024 images). > > That's what I did (can't be too careful - with that process, I can guarantee > that not a single of your pixels was changed, just the missing ones added), I > uploaded the result here (I already ran optipng -o7 on it): > http://repo.calcforge.org/f10/solar-normalish-fixed.tar > > Can I commit and build this into solar-backgrounds? > > Kevin Kofler > Aah, thanks Kevin, good catch! To me it seems your fix is all right. Martin -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 197 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From martin.sourada at gmail.com Thu Oct 30 09:17:06 2008 From: martin.sourada at gmail.com (Martin Sourada) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 10:17:06 +0100 Subject: Updated Solar Backgrounds Package In-Reply-To: <49092041.7040407@fedoraproject.org> References: <1225325549.2717.20.camel@pc-notebook> <49092041.7040407@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <1225358226.2668.5.camel@pc-notebook> On Wed, 2008-10-29 at 22:47 -0400, Mairin Duffy wrote: > Hi Martin, > Hi M?ir?n, > Martin Sourada wrote: > > If no serious problems/regressions are reported, I'll request a freeze > > break at Friday. > > Jesse said he really needs this ASAP, so I think we should get it to him > tomorrow morning. He's on West Coast US time so that will give us a few > more hours for folks to review but then I think we should just push it > out. Hopefully we will have an opportunity to fix any other bugs as a > result of preview release feedback. > > Thanks so much for getting this done so quickly, it's a real lifesaver! > Kevin already found a error there (1280x1024 having only 1014 height) and built a fixed package [1]. I'll request the freeze break then. Martin References: [1] http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/buildinfo?buildID=68083 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Far better for the >> Art Team to have one set of positions and the Desktop Team to have >> another set of positions, but to know that the collective members of >> those teams all agree with the starting points. Then you can have >> one conversation, as opposed to 7 or 8 individual ones. > > You mean we need to pick our sides, elect speakers and clamp down on > dissenters ? No, that's not what I meant. Just that it's useful for individual teams to have a relatively agreed-upon vision of what they want when they start talking to other teams, so that all of the individual conversations that do happen are more or less starting from the same place. There's nothing sinister or anti-community in that, it's just basic common sense and teamwork, IMHO. >> (5) What needs to be done to finally end this cycle of conversations >> in a way that everyone can live with? We've been having the same >> instance of this talk since Fedora 6/7 timeframe, and one way or >> another, it has to end. > > I don't agree with this at all. Conversation should not end. What must > end is the divisive 'us' vs. 'them' mentality. The conversion about > the goals and visions for the desktop and its art should continue. And > I will defend the freedom of anybody in my team to criticize the art, > just as everybody else is free to criticize what vt we choose to run X > on. I agree with that. I'd like the conversation to move on to a new topic after 4 releases or arguing about the background. :) --Max From stickster at gmail.com Thu Oct 30 12:55:44 2008 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 08:55:44 -0400 Subject: Artwork Quality (was Re: Sound themes) In-Reply-To: <1225329944.9672.27.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <49001C83.7040503@nicubunu.ro> <939dd5750810231034t2d7032b7jaafc15ae411cd97d@mail.gmail.com> <49013AC2.9060808@redhat.com> <939dd5750810281525u6e8b6f39ma6b674601a731262@mail.gmail.com> <4907AF5B.5030107@fedoraproject.org> <1225250949.3338.60.camel@localhost.localdomain> <507738ef0810290119l5f33d170t4b0c59927d894fa3@mail.gmail.com> <1225329944.9672.27.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <20081030125544.GE12427@salma.internal.frields.org> On Wed, Oct 29, 2008 at 09:25:44PM -0400, Matthias Clasen wrote: > On Wed, 2008-10-29 at 08:19 +0000, Jonathan Roberts wrote: > > > PRIMARY TARGET > > > * Free and open source software enthusiasts, developers, and > > > remixers. > > > > > > I haven't polled the entire team about it, but I can pretty much > > > guarantee you that this description is _not_ what we see as the target > > > audience for the Fedora Desktop. > > > > Matthias, > > > > I guess the best I can do is invite you to come and discuss this issue > > with us on the marketing list. The reason, I think, we decided to go > > with this as our primary audience, is that the pace of development in > > Fedora, the amount of breakage, and our inability to ship restricted > > software by default means that in reality, we're not going to be a > > distribution for your average desktop user. > > > > Yet, the very same document has the following statement, which seems to > be at odds with this assessment: > > User Experience. Fedora offers a user experience that is unsurpassed. Perhaps that should be amended: "User Experience. Fedora offers a user experience unsurpassed by other fully free software distributions." -- Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Is that > > participating in the process ? I guess not. But it was an attempt to > > influence the outcome of the process for the better. > > Sorry, but *not*. > Jon wrote that piece half year ago (in May) and published it on his blog > which is aggregated *only* on Planet Gnome. He didn't brought it on > either fedora-desktop or fedora-art. So I qualify it as outside of the > process. > The talked here about it for the first time only a few days ago, roughly > 6 months after publishing it. I explicitly said it was not part of your process. But I have pointed to it out repeatedly back in May on this very list. From duffy at fedoraproject.org Thu Oct 30 13:33:52 2008 From: duffy at fedoraproject.org (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?M=E1ir=EDn_Duffy?=) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 09:33:52 -0400 Subject: Artwork Quality (was Re: Sound themes) In-Reply-To: <1225335673.9672.91.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <49001C83.7040503@nicubunu.ro> <939dd5750810231034t2d7032b7jaafc15ae411cd97d@mail.gmail.com> <49013AC2.9060808@redhat.com> <939dd5750810281525u6e8b6f39ma6b674601a731262@mail.gmail.com> <4907AF5B.5030107@fedoraproject.org> <1225250949.3338.60.camel@localhost.localdomain> <507738ef0810290119l5f33d170t4b0c59927d894fa3@mail.gmail.com> <1225335673.9672.91.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <4909B7C0.7010304@fedoraproject.org> Matthias Clasen wrote: > Jon invested a significant amount of work in a comparison of OS > background images, and sent the document to this list. Is that > participating in the process ? I guess not. But it was an attempt to > influence the outcome of the process for the better. Actually, I would have to say that it was not participating in the process, at least not until two weeks ago. You see, if I didn't read planet GNOME, I never would have seen that document before he posted it to this list two weeks ago. It was posted to his blog months ago and was never shared with this group and the blog never hit planet Fedora. > I don't agree with this at all. Conversation should not end. What must > end is the divisive 'us' vs. 'them' mentality. The conversion about the > goals and visions for the desktop and its art should continue. And I > will defend the freedom of anybody in my team to criticize the art, just > as everybody else is free to criticize what vt we choose to run X on. I don't think anyone takes issue with criticism so let's shelve that point right here. (Although it would be nice if in the cases where it unprofessional, that it could instead be polite and professional.) I think people take issue with the fact that essentially we are hearing, "this doesn't fit with our vision" when there is no way anyone can know of or what that vision is since it's never been articulated anywhere. Also, "I don't like it" (or worse) without any explanation of why. It's nice to know you do not like it but there is not much that can be done to improve it based on "I don't like it." I've taken studio art classes before where the professor laid down ground rules to forbid anyone from saying "I don't like it" without giving at least two specific points of critique to help the person improve their work or at least understand where the critiquer was coming from. ~m From duffy at fedoraproject.org Thu Oct 30 13:37:16 2008 From: duffy at fedoraproject.org (=?UTF-8?B?TcOhaXLDrW4gRHVmZnk=?=) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 09:37:16 -0400 Subject: Updated Solar Backgrounds Package In-Reply-To: <1225358226.2668.5.camel@pc-notebook> References: <1225325549.2717.20.camel@pc-notebook> <49092041.7040407@fedoraproject.org> <1225358226.2668.5.camel@pc-notebook> Message-ID: <4909B88C.3000300@fedoraproject.org> Hi Kevin, Martin Sourada wrote: > On Wed, 2008-10-29 at 22:47 -0400, Mairin Duffy wrote: >> Hi Martin, >> > Hi M?ir?n, > >> Martin Sourada wrote: >>> If no serious problems/regressions are reported, I'll request a freeze >>> break at Friday. >> Jesse said he really needs this ASAP, so I think we should get it to him >> tomorrow morning. He's on West Coast US time so that will give us a few >> more hours for folks to review but then I think we should just push it >> out. Hopefully we will have an opportunity to fix any other bugs as a >> result of preview release feedback. >> >> Thanks so much for getting this done so quickly, it's a real lifesaver! >> > Kevin already found a error there (1280x1024 having only 1014 height) > and built a fixed package [1]. I'll request the freeze break then. THANK YOU SO MUCH!!! :) ~m From mlanglie at redhat.com Thu Oct 30 13:38:32 2008 From: mlanglie at redhat.com (Michael Langlie) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 09:38:32 -0400 (EDT) Subject: F10 on OLPC XO illustration request In-Reply-To: <49095AF4.2080108@nicubunu.ro> Message-ID: <659938963.683701225373912670.JavaMail.root@zmail02.collab.prod.int.phx2.redhat.com> Hi Nicu, The files are still there. My site host is having domain problems. I think the URLs posted seem to be up and down depending on which server they are using at any moment. Here are more direct URLs. http://yipyop.tripod.com/blog/XO/XO_SD_card.zip http://yipyop.tripod.com/blog/XO/XO_SD_card.png Oh yeah, I meant to ask where people recommend these files go on the wiki. I was spacing out after a long day. Anywhere in particular I should put them? Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nicu Buculei" To: "Fedora Art List" Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2008 2:57:56 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: F10 on OLPC XO illustration request Michael Langlie wrote: > I drew a 6-step process for opening and positioning an XO laptop for SD card insertion. Let me know if anything seems to need revising or clarification. I tried to keep it simple and readable with or without additional text explanation. (Big thanks to professional hand model Dan Williams!) > > PNG preview: > http://yipyop.com/XO/XO_SD_card.png > > SVG, EPS, AI and PNG files: > http://yipyop.com/XO/XO_SD_card.zip Next time can you host such files in a place where they will be up for more than a few hours? I get "404 Not Found"... fedorapeople.org is a great place for this. Also I advise you post the work in the wiki, to properly close Karlie's request and as a reference for future works. -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro _______________________________________________ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list at redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list From notting at redhat.com Thu Oct 30 13:43:31 2008 From: notting at redhat.com (Bill Nottingham) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 09:43:31 -0400 Subject: Artwork Quality (was Re: Sound themes) In-Reply-To: <49096EA1.20102@nicubunu.ro> References: <49001C83.7040503@nicubunu.ro> <939dd5750810231034t2d7032b7jaafc15ae411cd97d@mail.gmail.com> <49013AC2.9060808@redhat.com> <939dd5750810281525u6e8b6f39ma6b674601a731262@mail.gmail.com> <4907AF5B.5030107@fedoraproject.org> <1225250949.3338.60.camel@localhost.localdomain> <4907E2EF.5000709@fedoraproject.org> <20081029203545.GA25197@nostromo.devel.redhat.com> <49096EA1.20102@nicubunu.ro> Message-ID: <20081030134331.GA7510@nostromo.devel.redhat.com> Nicu Buculei (nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro) said: >> They almost certainly are. The audience for Fedora Electronics Lab >> wouldn't be the same audience as for Fedora Desktop, which isn't >> (necessarily) the same audience as Fedora KDE, which isn't the >> same audience as 'the Fedora spin'. I'm pretty sure the audience >> for the latter has never been clearly defined. > > The thing is that we want to make easier for people to "get" Fedora, > with a simplified download page and such, offering as default a single > option and this option is the Desktop spin, effectively making it the > main spin. OK. But even in that case, I'm sure you could see how if the artwork is designed for 'the main spin' for one set of users (such as enthusiasts, whatever that means) and the code is designed for a different set of users (such as general desktop users, whatever that means) that there is inevitably going to be conflicts. > We get from time to time requests for such customized artwork, he most > recent which come to my mind is the Security spin. Sometime the requests > are meet with resistance by people like me who does not understand the > need of a Fedora spin with a different look and feel (or the purpose of > still calling it Fedora) ... ? Part of the whole purpose is to have different spins for what people want to do with Fedora software, whether it's the Games spin, the Education spin, the XO/Sugar spin. Maybe I'm misunderstanding you. Bill From notting at redhat.com Thu Oct 30 13:45:49 2008 From: notting at redhat.com (Bill Nottingham) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 09:45:49 -0400 Subject: Artwork Quality (was Re: Sound themes) In-Reply-To: <20081030125544.GE12427@salma.internal.frields.org> References: <49001C83.7040503@nicubunu.ro> <939dd5750810231034t2d7032b7jaafc15ae411cd97d@mail.gmail.com> <49013AC2.9060808@redhat.com> <939dd5750810281525u6e8b6f39ma6b674601a731262@mail.gmail.com> <4907AF5B.5030107@fedoraproject.org> <1225250949.3338.60.camel@localhost.localdomain> <507738ef0810290119l5f33d170t4b0c59927d894fa3@mail.gmail.com> <1225329944.9672.27.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20081030125544.GE12427@salma.internal.frields.org> Message-ID: <20081030134549.GB7510@nostromo.devel.redhat.com> Paul W. Frields (stickster at gmail.com) said: > "User Experience. Fedora offers a user experience unsurpassed by other > fully free software distributions." Which means.... what exactly? 'Unsurpassed' implies a great quantity or level of something, and I'm not sure 'user experience' is quantified in that way. (Sorry, being nitpicky.) Bill From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Thu Oct 30 13:51:11 2008 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 15:51:11 +0200 Subject: F10 on OLPC XO illustration request In-Reply-To: <659938963.683701225373912670.JavaMail.root@zmail02.collab.prod.int.phx2.redhat.com> References: <659938963.683701225373912670.JavaMail.root@zmail02.collab.prod.int.phx2.redhat.com> Message-ID: <4909BBCF.20209@nicubunu.ro> Michael Langlie wrote: > Hi Nicu, > > The files are still there. My site host is having domain problems. I think the URLs posted seem to be up and down depending on which server they are using at any moment. Here are more direct URLs. > http://yipyop.tripod.com/blog/XO/XO_SD_card.zip > http://yipyop.tripod.com/blog/XO/XO_SD_card.png Now that I can see the files, I agree, they are wonderful. > Oh yeah, I meant to ask where people recommend these files go on the wiki. I was spacing out after a long day. Anywhere in particular I should put them? Just upload using the normal upload form https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Special:Upload and then add a link, maybe also a thumbnail, to Karlie's request https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/DocIllustrationService#Request_list (also change the status and add your name as designer) -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From mlanglie at redhat.com Thu Oct 30 13:53:27 2008 From: mlanglie at redhat.com (Michael Langlie) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 09:53:27 -0400 (EDT) Subject: F10 on OLPC XO illustration request - Closed In-Reply-To: <49095AF4.2080108@nicubunu.ro> Message-ID: <821191807.687631225374807410.JavaMail.root@zmail02.collab.prod.int.phx2.redhat.com> I closed the diagram request from Karlie Robinson on this page: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/DocIllustrationService The zipped files (SVG, AI, EPS, PNG) are found on this page: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Image:XO_SD_card.zip A PNG preview is here: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Image:XO_SD_card.png Mike From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Thu Oct 30 13:57:15 2008 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 15:57:15 +0200 Subject: Artwork Quality (was Re: Sound themes) In-Reply-To: <20081030134331.GA7510@nostromo.devel.redhat.com> References: <49001C83.7040503@nicubunu.ro> <939dd5750810231034t2d7032b7jaafc15ae411cd97d@mail.gmail.com> <49013AC2.9060808@redhat.com> <939dd5750810281525u6e8b6f39ma6b674601a731262@mail.gmail.com> <4907AF5B.5030107@fedoraproject.org> <1225250949.3338.60.camel@localhost.localdomain> <4907E2EF.5000709@fedoraproject.org> <20081029203545.GA25197@nostromo.devel.redhat.com> <49096EA1.20102@nicubunu.ro> <20081030134331.GA7510@nostromo.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <4909BD3B.3010204@nicubunu.ro> Bill Nottingham wrote: > Nicu Buculei said: >> We get from time to time requests for such customized artwork, he most >> recent which come to my mind is the Security spin. Sometime the requests >> are meet with resistance by people like me who does not understand the >> need of a Fedora spin with a different look and feel (or the purpose of >> still calling it Fedora) > > ... ? Part of the whole purpose is to have different spins for what > people want to do with Fedora software, whether it's the Games spin, > the Education spin, the XO/Sugar spin. Maybe I'm misunderstanding you. If a spin is geared for games, for example, you think is a good idea for it to have an inverted GTK+ theme (white on black), a wallpaper that make your eyes hurt and a general look that does not resemble Fedora at all? I think is a bad idea to go for something like http://ubuntustudio.org/screenshots -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From william.jon.mccann at gmail.com Thu Oct 30 14:09:12 2008 From: william.jon.mccann at gmail.com (William Jon McCann) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 10:09:12 -0400 Subject: Artwork Quality (was Re: Sound themes) In-Reply-To: <49096A5D.8050600@nicubunu.ro> References: <49001C83.7040503@nicubunu.ro> <939dd5750810231034t2d7032b7jaafc15ae411cd97d@mail.gmail.com> <49013AC2.9060808@redhat.com> <939dd5750810281525u6e8b6f39ma6b674601a731262@mail.gmail.com> <4907AF5B.5030107@fedoraproject.org> <1225250949.3338.60.camel@localhost.localdomain> <507738ef0810290119l5f33d170t4b0c59927d894fa3@mail.gmail.com> <1225335673.9672.91.camel@localhost.localdomain> <49096A5D.8050600@nicubunu.ro> Message-ID: <939dd5750810300709x31d5d518u6e905e99b2a7405c@mail.gmail.com> Hey, On Thu, Oct 30, 2008 at 4:03 AM, Nicu Buculei wrote: > Matthias Clasen wrote: >> >> Jon invested a significant amount of work in a comparison of OS >> background images, and sent the document to this list. Is that >> participating in the process ? I guess not. But it was an attempt to >> influence the outcome of the process for the better. > > Sorry, but *not*. > Jon wrote that piece half year ago (in May) and published it on his blog > which is aggregated *only* on Planet Gnome. He didn't brought it on either > fedora-desktop or fedora-art. So I qualify it as outside of the process. > The talked here about it for the first time only a few days ago, roughly 6 > months after publishing. Just for the record, you are being disingenuous. Matthias mentioned it on this list before I could: https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-art-list/2008-May/msg00200.html It was even mentioned in the Fedora Weekly News: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FWN/Issue129 (and says that you were the author of that section) At that time I *was* syndicated on planet fedora. Seth Vidal added me on Apr 14. That was before the new account system kicked in or something. Also a little shocking that you consider planet gnome outside your community. Dude, seriously. Jon From notting at redhat.com Thu Oct 30 14:16:43 2008 From: notting at redhat.com (Bill Nottingham) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 10:16:43 -0400 Subject: Artwork Quality (was Re: Sound themes) In-Reply-To: <4909BD3B.3010204@nicubunu.ro> References: <939dd5750810231034t2d7032b7jaafc15ae411cd97d@mail.gmail.com> <49013AC2.9060808@redhat.com> <939dd5750810281525u6e8b6f39ma6b674601a731262@mail.gmail.com> <4907AF5B.5030107@fedoraproject.org> <1225250949.3338.60.camel@localhost.localdomain> <4907E2EF.5000709@fedoraproject.org> <20081029203545.GA25197@nostromo.devel.redhat.com> <49096EA1.20102@nicubunu.ro> <20081030134331.GA7510@nostromo.devel.redhat.com> <4909BD3B.3010204@nicubunu.ro> Message-ID: <20081030141643.GB7907@nostromo.devel.redhat.com> Nicu Buculei (nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro) said: >>> We get from time to time requests for such customized artwork, he >>> most recent which come to my mind is the Security spin. Sometime the >>> requests are meet with resistance by people like me who does not >>> understand the need of a Fedora spin with a different look and feel >>> (or the purpose of still calling it Fedora) >> >> ... ? Part of the whole purpose is to have different spins for what >> people want to do with Fedora software, whether it's the Games spin, >> the Education spin, the XO/Sugar spin. Maybe I'm misunderstanding you. > > If a spin is geared for games, for example, you think is a good idea for > it to have an inverted GTK+ theme (white on black), a wallpaper that > make your eyes hurt and a general look that does not resemble Fedora at > all? > I think is a bad idea to go for something like > http://ubuntustudio.org/screenshots There's a difference between having somewhat of a 'different look and feel' depending on audience, and something that 'makes your eyes hurt', aside from the subjective taste issues that involves. XO would be a primary example - Sugar's going to have a different look and feel before you even get to any artwork, and Fedora specific artwork may be better off trying to fit into that motif than coercing it to the motif we have now. (Especially if the target audience is a different userbase/age group/whatever.) Bill From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Thu Oct 30 14:43:17 2008 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 16:43:17 +0200 Subject: Artwork Quality (was Re: Sound themes) In-Reply-To: <939dd5750810300709x31d5d518u6e905e99b2a7405c@mail.gmail.com> References: <49001C83.7040503@nicubunu.ro> <939dd5750810231034t2d7032b7jaafc15ae411cd97d@mail.gmail.com> <49013AC2.9060808@redhat.com> <939dd5750810281525u6e8b6f39ma6b674601a731262@mail.gmail.com> <4907AF5B.5030107@fedoraproject.org> <1225250949.3338.60.camel@localhost.localdomain> <507738ef0810290119l5f33d170t4b0c59927d894fa3@mail.gmail.com> <1225335673.9672.91.camel@localhost.localdomain> <49096A5D.8050600@nicubunu.ro> <939dd5750810300709x31d5d518u6e905e99b2a7405c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4909C805.2000000@nicubunu.ro> William Jon McCann wrote: > Just for the record, you are being disingenuous. > > Matthias mentioned it on this list before I could: > https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-art-list/2008-May/msg00200.html > > It was even mentioned in the Fedora Weekly News: > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FWN/Issue129 > (and says that you were the author of that section) Sorry for that, I forgot about that, I was remembering the post form Planet Gnome and today I searched the list archive only for threads start, not deep into conversation. So sorry, my mistake. > At that time I *was* syndicated on planet fedora. Seth Vidal added me > on Apr 14. That was before the new account system kicked in or > something. > > Also a little shocking that you consider planet gnome outside your community. I *do* read Planet Gnome almost daily, but I *do not* read Planet KDE or Planet XFCE, Planet Mozilla or Planet OpenOffice.org at all and arguably, they are equally part of the community. -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From duffy at fedoraproject.org Thu Oct 30 15:08:18 2008 From: duffy at fedoraproject.org (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?M=E1ir=EDn_Duffy?=) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 11:08:18 -0400 Subject: Artwork Quality (was Re: Sound themes) In-Reply-To: <939dd5750810300709x31d5d518u6e905e99b2a7405c@mail.gmail.com> References: <49001C83.7040503@nicubunu.ro> <939dd5750810231034t2d7032b7jaafc15ae411cd97d@mail.gmail.com> <49013AC2.9060808@redhat.com> <939dd5750810281525u6e8b6f39ma6b674601a731262@mail.gmail.com> <4907AF5B.5030107@fedoraproject.org> <1225250949.3338.60.camel@localhost.localdomain> <507738ef0810290119l5f33d170t4b0c59927d894fa3@mail.gmail.com> <1225335673.9672.91.camel@localhost.localdomain> <49096A5D.8050600@nicubunu.ro> <939dd5750810300709x31d5d518u6e905e99b2a7405c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4909CDE2.4000502@fedoraproject.org> William Jon McCann wrote: > Hey, > > On Thu, Oct 30, 2008 at 4:03 AM, Nicu Buculei wrote: >> Matthias Clasen wrote: >>> Jon invested a significant amount of work in a comparison of OS >>> background images, and sent the document to this list. Is that >>> participating in the process ? I guess not. But it was an attempt to >>> influence the outcome of the process for the better. >> Sorry, but *not*. >> Jon wrote that piece half year ago (in May) and published it on his blog >> which is aggregated *only* on Planet Gnome. He didn't brought it on either >> fedora-desktop or fedora-art. So I qualify it as outside of the process. >> The talked here about it for the first time only a few days ago, roughly 6 >> months after publishing. > > Just for the record, you are being disingenuous. > > Matthias mentioned it on this list before I could: > https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-art-list/2008-May/msg00200.html > > It was even mentioned in the Fedora Weekly News: > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FWN/Issue129 > (and says that you were the author of that section) In either case, I do not remember your being involved in a discussion about it until now. Not six months ago. I think that is why a few of us here are having a hard time even recalling it being posted here. I mean, if I write a document about, I don't know, creating Gimp brushes, and some community somewhere picks up on it, let's say a brushes group on deviant art, and discusses it, that is great. But if I'm not participating directly in that community or even are aware that community is using my document am I really a part of that deviant art brush group? I would think not. But this is a really silly point to argue. So let's talk about your analysis of the document rather than who posted it where and when. I would love to hear more about your takeaways from creating it. ~m From stickster at gmail.com Thu Oct 30 17:43:08 2008 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 13:43:08 -0400 Subject: Artwork Quality (was Re: Sound themes) In-Reply-To: <20081030134549.GB7510@nostromo.devel.redhat.com> References: <49001C83.7040503@nicubunu.ro> <939dd5750810231034t2d7032b7jaafc15ae411cd97d@mail.gmail.com> <49013AC2.9060808@redhat.com> <939dd5750810281525u6e8b6f39ma6b674601a731262@mail.gmail.com> <4907AF5B.5030107@fedoraproject.org> <1225250949.3338.60.camel@localhost.localdomain> <507738ef0810290119l5f33d170t4b0c59927d894fa3@mail.gmail.com> <1225329944.9672.27.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20081030125544.GE12427@salma.internal.frields.org> <20081030134549.GB7510@nostromo.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1225388588.24889.96.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Thu, 2008-10-30 at 09:45 -0400, Bill Nottingham wrote: > Paul W. Frields (stickster at gmail.com) said: > > "User Experience. Fedora offers a user experience unsurpassed by other > > fully free software distributions." > > Which means.... what exactly? 'Unsurpassed' implies a great quantity or > level of something, and I'm not sure 'user experience' is quantified > in that way. > > (Sorry, being nitpicky.) Actually one of that word's meanings is simply to excel, which need not be related to quantity. -- Paul W. Frields gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://paul.frields.org/ - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From mlanglie at redhat.com Fri Oct 31 15:22:56 2008 From: mlanglie at redhat.com (Michael Langlie) Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2008 11:22:56 -0400 (EDT) Subject: F10 on OLPC XO illustration request - Closed In-Reply-To: <821191807.687631225374807410.JavaMail.root@zmail02.collab.prod.int.phx2.redhat.com> Message-ID: <394940872.997221225466576034.JavaMail.root@zmail02.collab.prod.int.phx2.redhat.com> FYI, I revised the XO diagrams. The screen is now tipped forward a bit in step 3. Mike ----- Original Message ----- I closed the diagram request from Karlie Robinson on this page: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/DocIllustrationService The zipped files (SVG, AI, EPS, PNG) are found on this page: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Image:XO_SD_card.zip A PNG preview is here: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Image:XO_SD_card.png Mike