From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Mon Sep 1 07:45:28 2008 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Mon, 01 Sep 2008 10:45:28 +0300 Subject: New desktop sound theme. In-Reply-To: <1220217706.7637.3.camel@sparky> References: <1220217706.7637.3.camel@sparky> Message-ID: <48BB9D98.30809@nicubunu.ro> Chris Norman wrote: > Hi ALl, > I have altered the sounds in the freedesktop.com sound theme, and am > wondering two things: > > 1. How can I apply the new theme to my ubuntu machine? I have no idea about Ubuntu but I wonder if you need a F10 development build with libcanberra. > 2. Whom do I send the updated sound theme to for confirmation? Probably it is a good idea to post the sound files somewhere for feed-back first (using fedorapeople.org hosting is a good choice). -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Mon Sep 1 08:03:05 2008 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Mon, 01 Sep 2008 11:03:05 +0300 Subject: Fedora 10 Art Schedule In-Reply-To: <48B74D76.9030206@redhat.com> References: <48B74D76.9030206@redhat.com> Message-ID: <48BBA1B9.4040704@nicubunu.ro> John Poelstra wrote: > > For the Fedora 10 release I re-worked the underlying TaskJuggler file to > optimize reporting and the ability to allocate resources in the future. > As a result I've lost some of the dependencies that were built in and > am having a hard time reconnecting them. Also as I look at some of the > tasks I'm wondering if they still apply or not. > > I'd love your help reviewing the schedule here: > http://poelstra.fedorapeople.org/schedules/f-10/f-10-art-tasks.html I think you can drop "gnome screensaver lock dialog" or at least move it at he bottom, next to the gnome splash screen, as those graphics may not be created at all (they are not used by default and without an obvious way to display them). "bootup/loading graphics (plymouth?)" is blocked by lack of documentation about Plymouth. "Package Artwork for Beta ???" won't make it, we won't have Round 3 (so a final theme selected) in due time for Beta freeze. We should add somewhere (not sure where, when and how) a decision window about the default icon theme: we have to decide if we go with Echo or stay with Mist. See this: https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-art-list/2008-August/msg00328.html -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From martin.sourada at gmail.com Mon Sep 1 08:33:06 2008 From: martin.sourada at gmail.com (Martin Sourada) Date: Mon, 01 Sep 2008 10:33:06 +0200 Subject: [Echo] New preferences-system-authentication icon set In-Reply-To: <55cf1980808311539o247ceca8t3162d5947b23e919@mail.gmail.com> References: <1220217098.20732.69.camel@pc-notebook> <55cf1980808311539o247ceca8t3162d5947b23e919@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1220257986.28241.8.camel@pc-notebook> On Mon, 2008-09-01 at 00:39 +0200, Hylke Bons wrote: > Just an overall comment: I find the smaller sizes of echo-icon-theme > (16x16 and 22x22) very hard to recognize. This is because the > isometric perspective doesn't work there. Are there plans of making > them better? > > Hylke > We are doing our best to make it as easy to recognise as possible, but in such small sizes it's rather hard to do. It's not a problem of isometric projection since 16x16 is actually flat (plain 2D). We have no plans ATM to change the perspective (projection is better word) guidelines since it would require us to redo almost every icon... From time to time, I have a feeling though we could make a parallel project that would take icons from gnome-icon-theme/mist and just apply all but perspective echo guidelines on it (not sure though yet, how to call it, perhaps echo perspective?). But since we are short on people it's hardly possible this would happen - however, if there were someone who would be willing to invest their time into this project, but not to the current echo, we (or at least I) are willing to grant them enough rights to do so. Martin -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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In-Reply-To: <48BB9D98.30809@nicubunu.ro> References: <1220217706.7637.3.camel@sparky> <48BB9D98.30809@nicubunu.ro> Message-ID: <1220258784.13945.0.camel@sparky> On Mon, 2008-09-01 at 10:45 +0300, Nicu Buculei wrote: > Probably it is a good idea to post the sound files somewhere for > feed-back first (using fedorapeople.org hosting is a good choice). It is at: http://www.sendspace.com/file/4juk5m > HTH. -- Chris Norman From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Mon Sep 1 08:53:53 2008 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Mon, 01 Sep 2008 11:53:53 +0300 Subject: [Echo] Need feedback about Features Echo Icon theme In-Reply-To: <48BBAB82.1010805@fedoraproject.org> References: <48BBAB82.1010805@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <48BBADA1.9090903@nicubunu.ro> Luya Tshimbalanga wrote: > I have updated the feature session for Echo in order to get reviewed by > Fesco. > I am also sent a copy to desktop list. Feedback is welcome I think you should mention that Echo is already available in the distro (non-default) for a number of releases. -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From martin.sourada at gmail.com Mon Sep 1 08:59:24 2008 From: martin.sourada at gmail.com (Martin Sourada) Date: Mon, 01 Sep 2008 10:59:24 +0200 Subject: [Echo] Need feedback about Features Echo Icon theme In-Reply-To: <48BBADA1.9090903@nicubunu.ro> References: <48BBAB82.1010805@fedoraproject.org> <48BBADA1.9090903@nicubunu.ro> Message-ID: <1220259564.28241.11.camel@pc-notebook> On Mon, 2008-09-01 at 11:53 +0300, Nicu Buculei wrote: > Luya Tshimbalanga wrote: > > I have updated the feature session for Echo in order to get reviewed by > > Fesco. > > I am also sent a copy to desktop list. Feedback is welcome > > I think you should mention that Echo is already available in the distro > (non-default) for a number of releases. > Yep, and in Rawhide we also build regular git snapshots - which is pre 0.4 and that is what we intend to have in F10 - so it's good idea to discuss about the Rawhide package when we talk about making Echo default. Martin -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Luya Reference: --------------- https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/EchoIconTheme From martin.sourada at gmail.com Mon Sep 1 12:17:22 2008 From: martin.sourada at gmail.com (Martin Sourada) Date: Mon, 01 Sep 2008 14:17:22 +0200 Subject: Echo Monthly News, Issue 1 Message-ID: <1220271442.28241.34.camel@pc-notebook> The echo-icon-theme development team just officially released its first Echo Monthly News Issue [1]. In this release we cover these sections: 1. New Icons 2. "Huge" icons - 256x256 3. One Canvas Work-Flow 4. Automating the secondary jobs 1. Add a new icon set to Git 2. Setting up Git repository 3. Updating Git repository 4. Creating New Icon from Template 5. RPM package and other issues 5. Echo for Fedora 10? 6. Future plans 7. Request for feedback Since it's our first release it is not perfect and therefore we will appreciate any feedback, suggestions for improvement, etc. at the fedora-art-list and #fedora-art at irc.freenode.net :) References: [1] https://fedorahosted.org/echo-icon-theme/wiki/MonthlyNews/Issue1 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 197 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From mola.mp at gmail.com Mon Sep 1 15:47:31 2008 From: mola.mp at gmail.com (Mola Pahnadayan) Date: Mon, 01 Sep 2008 20:17:31 +0430 Subject: Fedora work Message-ID: <48BC0E93.4020000@gmail.com> Hi all see this link ;) http://www.molaora.com/index.php/photos/album/8.html From sstorari at byte-code.com Mon Sep 1 15:53:42 2008 From: sstorari at byte-code.com (Samuele Storari) Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2008 17:53:42 +0200 (CEST) Subject: R: Fedora work In-Reply-To: <48BC0E93.4020000@gmail.com> Message-ID: <405588591.25871220284422025.JavaMail.root@mail.byte-code.com> Hi, Very interesting work really, they was made with blender? Samuele ----- Messaggio originale ----- Da: "Mola Pahnadayan" A: fedora-art-list at redhat.com Inviato: Luned?, 1 settembre 2008 17:47:31 GMT +01:00 Amsterdam/Berlino/Berna/Roma/Stoccolma/Vienna Oggetto: Fedora work Hi all see this link ;) http://www.molaora.com/index.php/photos/album/8.html _______________________________________________ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list at redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list -- Samuele Storari Art Director Byte-Code srl mobile: +39 347 50 798 32 office: +39 02 9840047 http://www.byte-code.com From mola.mp at gmail.com Mon Sep 1 16:01:31 2008 From: mola.mp at gmail.com (Mola Pahnadayan) Date: Mon, 01 Sep 2008 20:31:31 +0430 Subject: R: Fedora work In-Reply-To: <405588591.25871220284422025.JavaMail.root@mail.byte-code.com> References: <405588591.25871220284422025.JavaMail.root@mail.byte-code.com> Message-ID: <48BC11DB.9070203@gmail.com> No some made with blender and some with Inkscape. ;) Samuele Storari wrote: > Hi, > Very interesting work really, they was made with blender? > > Samuele > > ----- Messaggio originale ----- > Da: "Mola Pahnadayan" > A: fedora-art-list at redhat.com > Inviato: Luned?, 1 settembre 2008 17:47:31 GMT +01:00 Amsterdam/Berlino/Berna/Roma/Stoccolma/Vienna > Oggetto: Fedora work > > Hi all > see this link ;) > > http://www.molaora.com/index.php/photos/album/8.html > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list > > > From no-reply at sendspace.com Mon Sep 1 08:45:15 2008 From: no-reply at sendspace.com (sendspace) Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2008 04:45:15 -0400 Subject: You have been sent a file (Description: New desktop sound theme for GNOME) Message-ID: <5eb9169890acb3858dca345ca7529ab9@mail.sendspace.com> sendspace file delivery notification: You've got a file called freedesktop.tar.gz, (10 MB) waiting for download at sendspace.com (Your email address was provided by chris.norman4 at ntlworld.com). 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URL: From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Tue Sep 2 07:03:21 2008 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Tue, 02 Sep 2008 10:03:21 +0300 Subject: You have been sent a file (Description: New desktop sound theme for GNOME) In-Reply-To: <5eb9169890acb3858dca345ca7529ab9@mail.sendspace.com> References: <5eb9169890acb3858dca345ca7529ab9@mail.sendspace.com> Message-ID: <48BCE539.6070601@nicubunu.ro> sendspace wrote: > You've got a file called freedesktop.tar.gz, (10 MB) waiting for > download at sendspace.com (Your email address was provided by > chris.norman4@*****.com). > > Description: New desktop sound theme for GNOME > > You can use the following link to retrieve your file: > > http://www.sendspace.com/file/4juk5m While I have not used this as a real theme and for a long time, only from a listening my opinion is overall positive. The only complaint would be about "dialog-warning.wav", where I am not sure about speaking the English word "attention" - some people not speaking English may not be that happy. And maybe, just maybe, a few sounds, like "window-close.wav" are a bit too long (but I may be mistaken here and the length fit a Compiz window closing animation). -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From sstorari at byte-code.com Tue Sep 2 07:38:29 2008 From: sstorari at byte-code.com (Samuele Storari) Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2008 09:38:29 +0200 (CEST) Subject: Fedora 10 round 3 Message-ID: <1312219562.26451220341109191.JavaMail.root@mail.byte-code.com> Hi all! Someone can say me what themes are in progress for the round 3? Samuele -- Samuele Storari Art Director Byte-Code srl mobile: +39 347 50 798 32 office: +39 02 9840047 http://www.byte-code.com From chris.norman4 at ntlworld.com Tue Sep 2 07:44:45 2008 From: chris.norman4 at ntlworld.com (Chris Norman) Date: Tue, 02 Sep 2008 08:44:45 +0100 Subject: You have been sent a file (Description: New desktop sound theme for GNOME) In-Reply-To: <48BCE539.6070601@nicubunu.ro> References: <5eb9169890acb3858dca345ca7529ab9@mail.sendspace.com> <48BCE539.6070601@nicubunu.ro> Message-ID: <1220341485.7001.0.camel@sparky> Very good point, I will rework the attention sound. As I don't really want to go through all of them and change the length, I will wait for a definate problem before I start editing anything. Cheers. On Tue, 2008-09-02 at 10:03 +0300, Nicu Buculei wrote: > sendspace wrote: > > You've got a file called freedesktop.tar.gz, (10 MB) waiting for > > download at sendspace.com (Your email address was provided by > > chris.norman4@*****.com). > > > > Description: New desktop sound theme for GNOME > > > > You can use the following link to retrieve your file: > > > > http://www.sendspace.com/file/4juk5m > > While I have not used this as a real theme and for a long time, only > from a listening my opinion is overall positive. > The only complaint would be about "dialog-warning.wav", where I am not > sure about speaking the English word "attention" - some people not > speaking English may not be that happy. > And maybe, just maybe, a few sounds, like "window-close.wav" are a bit > too long (but I may be mistaken here and the length fit a Compiz window > closing animation). > -- Chris Norman From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Tue Sep 2 07:50:18 2008 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Tue, 02 Sep 2008 10:50:18 +0300 Subject: Fedora 10 round 3 In-Reply-To: <1312219562.26451220341109191.JavaMail.root@mail.byte-code.com> References: <1312219562.26451220341109191.JavaMail.root@mail.byte-code.com> Message-ID: <48BCF03A.7050404@nicubunu.ro> Samuele Storari wrote: > Hi all! > > Someone can say me what themes are in progress for the round 3? Gears, Neon, InvinXible and Solar meet the requirements so they have progressed in Round 3 (no need for a formal decision). I am quite busy today and can't promise will find the time to publish a blog post about this. -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From martin.sourada at gmail.com Wed Sep 3 12:07:02 2008 From: martin.sourada at gmail.com (Martin Sourada) Date: Wed, 03 Sep 2008 14:07:02 +0200 Subject: [Echo] New system-software-sources icon set Message-ID: <1220443622.3083.15.camel@pc-notebook> Hi, I've just finished (initial take of) system-software-sources icon set. I attach an one canvas PNG, SVG is available on my fedorapeople page [1], and a screen-shot of it in action ;-) Comments welcome, Martin References: [1] http://mso.fedorapeople.org/echo/Applications/system-software-sources.svg -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: system-administration.png Type: image/png Size: 29440 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: system-software-sources.png Type: image/png Size: 41797 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I share the same feeling about flags: it is a complicated issue. A plain colour will suffice. (Libya is perhaps the only country to use a plain dark green colour as flag). That icons should be good enough. > PS: It's interesting to see how various applications handle mask > functionality in inkscape (when the SVG is saved as Inkscape SVG). While > nautilus does not display masked objects at all[...] Another Nautilus bug? Great. -- Luya Tshimbalanga Fedora Project contributor From luya_tfz at thefinalzone.com Wed Sep 3 17:28:09 2008 From: luya_tfz at thefinalzone.com (Luya Tshimbalanga) Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2008 13:28:09 -0400 Subject: [Echo] New system-software-sources icon set In-Reply-To: <1220443622.3083.15.camel@pc-notebook> References: <1220443622.3083.15.camel@pc-notebook> Message-ID: <1220462889.48bec929a068a@ssl.mecca.ca> Quoting Martin Sourada : > Hi, > > I've just finished (initial take of) system-software-sources > icon set. I attach an one canvas PNG, SVG is available on my > fedorapeople page [1], and a screen-shot of it in action ;-) System-software-source icon has two boxes hard to distinguish due the cast of light. Perhaps modifying the inline in opposite of gradient might help. -- Luya Tshimbalanga Fedora Project contributor http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/LuyaTshimbalanga From markg85 at gmail.com Thu Sep 4 07:53:07 2008 From: markg85 at gmail.com (Mark) Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2008 09:53:07 +0200 Subject: [Echo] New system-software-sources icon set In-Reply-To: <1220443622.3083.15.camel@pc-notebook> References: <1220443622.3083.15.camel@pc-notebook> Message-ID: <6e24a8e80809040053w1743de39q77e329239baa8ab0@mail.gmail.com> 2008/9/3 Martin Sourada : > Hi, > > I've just finished (initial take of) system-software-sources > icon set. I attach an one canvas PNG, SVG is available on my > fedorapeople page [1], and a screen-shot of it in action ;-) > > Comments welcome, > Martin > > References: > [1] > http://mso.fedorapeople.org/echo/Applications/system-software-sources.svg > > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list > > Hi, That looks good! But perhaps it looks better is you change the color of one of those 2 boxes? right now it's so... brown.. Perhaps make the small box blue? just an idea to give it some color variation. Btw. i'm glad you use the new box colors. From markg85 at gmail.com Thu Sep 4 08:05:09 2008 From: markg85 at gmail.com (Mark) Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2008 10:05:09 +0200 Subject: [Echo] New preferences-desktop-locale icon set DRAFT In-Reply-To: <1220459112.3083.26.camel@pc-notebook> References: <1220459112.3083.26.camel@pc-notebook> Message-ID: <6e24a8e80809040105x18d25ecfh53720969945fa604@mail.gmail.com> 2008/9/3 Martin Sourada : > Hi, > > I've just finished (initial take of) preferences-destkop-locale > icon set. I attach an one canvas PNG, SVG is available on my > fedorapeople page [1], and a screen-shot of it in action ;-) > > The icon is currently really simple and I am not sure if everyone is OK > with this level of simplicity. On the other hand I am not much sure > about using UNO flag [2] for this icon (as is done by gnome and oxygen > icon themes). Using national flags is also out of question. Comments? > Suggestions? Your takes? > > Thanks, > Martin > > PS: It's interesting to see how various applications handle mask > functionality in inkscape (when the SVG is saved as Inkscape SVG). While > nautilus does not display masked objects at all, webkit-gtk on the other > hand display it as if no mask were applied. Epiphany (with xulrunner > backend) will display it correctly. Of course, when exported to Plain > SVG (which is done for the SVG icon that is put into scalable folders in > git), nautilus is back in the game :-D > With what you said about webkit and xulrunner (gecko).. Gecko displays it the way your png looks (like you said) but Webkit on the other hand... (in Google Chrome) has indeed the flag pole mask bug. perhaps try the webkit svn version to see if it works in there otherwise report a bug. So if it's worth anything.. confirmed your finding. > References: > [1] > http://mso.fedorapeople.org/echo/Applications/preferences-desktop-locale.svg > [2] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Flag_of_the_United_Nations.svg > > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list > > Now about the flag. That looks good for a flag with no border. My only suggestion would be to try this flag with a border and see how that looks. Good luck, Mark From sstorari at byte-code.com Thu Sep 4 09:55:57 2008 From: sstorari at byte-code.com (Samuele Storari) Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2008 11:55:57 +0200 (CEST) Subject: Photo for InvinXble In-Reply-To: <266755949.28421220522071448.JavaMail.root@mail.byte-code.com> Message-ID: <1244858533.28441220522157738.JavaMail.root@mail.byte-code.com> Hi all As we said some days ago, now I'got a shoot of the Katana for the InvinXble theme. http://flickr.com/photos/sstorari/2826852493/ Last question: What kind of license I need? I used a CC license, I hope it is the right one. Let me know if I had to make a change. Round 3 request? I need a list of all the materials we have to create in order to proceed with my proposals and the deadline? Ciao Samuele -- Samuele Storari Art Director Byte-Code srl mobile: +39 347 50 798 32 office: +39 02 9840047 http://www.byte-code.com From martin.sourada at gmail.com Thu Sep 4 11:27:57 2008 From: martin.sourada at gmail.com (Martin Sourada) Date: Thu, 04 Sep 2008 13:27:57 +0200 Subject: Photo for InvinXble In-Reply-To: <1244858533.28441220522157738.JavaMail.root@mail.byte-code.com> References: <1244858533.28441220522157738.JavaMail.root@mail.byte-code.com> Message-ID: <1220527678.3083.35.camel@pc-notebook> On Thu, 2008-09-04 at 11:55 +0200, Samuele Storari wrote: > Hi all > > As we said some days ago, now I'got a shoot of the Katana for the InvinXble theme. > > http://flickr.com/photos/sstorari/2826852493/ > > Last question: > What kind of license I need? > I used a CC license, I hope it is the right one. > Let me know if I had to make a change. > If I read the license on the flickr page correctly, it's CC-BY which should be fine. > Round 3 request? > I need a list of all the materials we have to create in order to proceed with my proposals and the deadline? > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/ThemingOverview Not sure however, how much up-to-date it is... IIRC lock dialog isn't selected by default and therefore theme for it is not necessary, GDM is currently unthemed AFAIK, but you'll probably need a KDM theme. As for what *you* need to do: usually artwork is enough, but if you feel confident/adventurous enough, you can create complete themes (if they are not artwork-only) as well. > Ciao > Samuele > Martin -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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BTW, I've got literally many thousands of photos I've taken from our travels to exotic places. The problem is finding the time to go through them. Regards, Bob Peterson Red Hat Clustering & GFS From stlwrt at gmail.com Thu Sep 4 18:12:23 2008 From: stlwrt at gmail.com (Pavel Shevchuk) Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2008 21:12:23 +0300 Subject: Photo for InvinXble In-Reply-To: <1220527678.3083.35.camel@pc-notebook> References: <1244858533.28441220522157738.JavaMail.root@mail.byte-code.com> <1220527678.3083.35.camel@pc-notebook> Message-ID: 2008/9/4 Martin Sourada : > you'll probably need a KDM theme Samuele, if you're interested in theming KDE you can contact me via IRC (Stalwart on #fedora-kde, sometimes #fedora-art), jabber or email. I did KDM and KSplash themes for F9, i think i can do it again for F10 =) -- http://scwlab.com From stlwrt at gmail.com Thu Sep 4 18:22:33 2008 From: stlwrt at gmail.com (Pavel Shevchuk) Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2008 21:22:33 +0300 Subject: Photo for InvinXble In-Reply-To: <1220527678.3083.35.camel@pc-notebook> References: <1244858533.28441220522157738.JavaMail.root@mail.byte-code.com> <1220527678.3083.35.camel@pc-notebook> Message-ID: 2008/9/4 Martin Sourada : > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/ThemingOverview > Not sure however, how much up-to-date it is... I just noticed KDE section is outdated. New KSplash engine in KDE4 is very flexible, with alpha blended PNG sprite animation (i did fade-in+slide-in icons for f9) so only thing that can't be done is alpha blending with desktop background (not even rounded corners possible) For KDM we (KDE SIG) would like to have userlist enabled by default, so even having pretty nice layouting abilities for graphics, widget layout can't be changed much. As i mentioned already, you're very welcome to #fedora-kde, we will appreciate that =) -- http://scwlab.com From luya at fedoraproject.org Fri Sep 5 05:47:39 2008 From: luya at fedoraproject.org (Luya Tshimbalanga) Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 01:47:39 -0400 Subject: Good news about Echo Message-ID: <1220593659.48c0c7fbb75ed@ssl.mecca.ca> Fesco has accepted echo-icon-theme as default icon theme for Fedora 10.[1] Which means we need to push harder to include as many icons as possible using guideline and echo-artist tool now available on rawhide and is waiting for people to get them on both Fedora 8 and 9[2]. To get more details about echo-icon-theme, please visit the website[3]. References: ----------- [1] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/10/FeatureList [2] https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/search/echo-artist [3] https://fedorahosted.org/echo-icon-theme -- Luya Tshimbalanga Fedora Project contributor P.S: a little bit surprised but this news feel like a award. From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Fri Sep 5 06:56:16 2008 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Fri, 05 Sep 2008 12:26:16 +0530 Subject: Good news about Echo In-Reply-To: <1220593659.48c0c7fbb75ed@ssl.mecca.ca> References: <1220593659.48c0c7fbb75ed@ssl.mecca.ca> Message-ID: <48C0D810.1050207@fedoraproject.org> Luya Tshimbalanga wrote: > Fesco has accepted echo-icon-theme as default icon theme for Fedora 10.[1] > Which means we need to push harder to include as many icons as possible using > guideline and echo-artist tool now available on rawhide and is waiting for > people to get them on both Fedora 8 and 9[2]. To get more details about > echo-icon-theme, please visit the website[3]. Good move. Was comps.xml updated to reflect the new default in rawhide? Any communication with the desktop and kde teams? Rahul From luya at fedoraproject.org Fri Sep 5 07:47:06 2008 From: luya at fedoraproject.org (Luya Tshimbalanga) Date: Fri, 05 Sep 2008 00:47:06 -0700 Subject: Good news about Echo In-Reply-To: <48C0D810.1050207@fedoraproject.org> References: <1220593659.48c0c7fbb75ed@ssl.mecca.ca> <48C0D810.1050207@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <48C0E3FA.5070206@fedoraproject.org> Rahul Sundaram a ?crit : > > Good move. > > Was comps.xml updated to reflect the new default in rawhide? Any > communication with the desktop and kde teams? > Not yet. I got the news recently and need to contact both team. Luya From martin.sourada at gmail.com Fri Sep 5 08:03:15 2008 From: martin.sourada at gmail.com (Martin Sourada) Date: Fri, 05 Sep 2008 10:03:15 +0200 Subject: Good news about Echo In-Reply-To: <1220593659.48c0c7fbb75ed@ssl.mecca.ca> References: <1220593659.48c0c7fbb75ed@ssl.mecca.ca> Message-ID: <1220601795.17220.1.camel@pc-notebook> On Fri, 2008-09-05 at 01:47 -0400, Luya Tshimbalanga wrote: > Fesco has accepted echo-icon-theme as default icon theme for Fedora 10.[1] > Which means we need to push harder to include as many icons as possible using > guideline and echo-artist tool now available on rawhide and is waiting for > people to get them on both Fedora 8 and 9[2]. To get more details about > echo-icon-theme, please visit the website[3]. > > References: > ----------- > [1] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/10/FeatureList > [2] https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/search/echo-artist > [3] https://fedorahosted.org/echo-icon-theme > Just a note that Fesco (and many art team members as well) has some concerns about coverage. Simply said if we don't achieve the Mist/gnome icon themes coverage, we'll be rolled back to Mist and wait for another release. Is there anyone interested in doing diff - i.e. what needs to be done there? Martin -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Luya From luya at fedoraproject.org Fri Sep 5 08:48:31 2008 From: luya at fedoraproject.org (Luya Tshimbalanga) Date: Fri, 05 Sep 2008 01:48:31 -0700 Subject: [Echo] New utilities-lvm icon set draft Message-ID: <48C0F25F.60508@fedoraproject.org> Using echo-canvas template, here is icon set of utilities-lvm. It is basically an updated version of upstream with echo-style. Feedback welcome. Luya -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: utilities-lvm.png Type: image/png Size: 25894 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I'd separate the volumes completely in this size * perhaps using different colours for each particular volume might help with icon recognition * also the gradient could perhaps use more than one echo blues? (it would make the icon more saturated, not sure if it's desired, we'd need to try it first) Not sure whether you have filled a bug in redhat bugzilla, but seems the desktop file contains full path to the icon, it's impossible to theme it. You should file it and add a note at fedora wiki [2]. I noticed you used transform matrix for the icons. Since I use transform translate in the scripts to generate the scalable SVG, I'm not sure if it will work correctly. I'll try it and report back if there are any issues with it. Thanks, Martin -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I'd separate the volumes completely in > this size > * perhaps using different colours for each particular volume > might help with icon recognition > * also the gradient could perhaps use more than one echo blues? > (it would make the icon more saturated, not sure if it's > desired, we'd need to try it first) > > Not sure whether you have filled a bug in redhat bugzilla, but seems the > desktop file contains full path to the icon, it's impossible to theme > it. You should file it and add a note at fedora wiki [2]. > > I noticed you used transform matrix for the icons. Since I use transform > translate in the scripts to generate the scalable SVG, I'm not sure if > it will work correctly. I'll try it and report back if there are any > issues with it. > > Thanks, > Martin > err... hit send too early... 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I just noticed KDE section is outdated. New KSplash engine in KDE4 is very flexible, with alpha blended PNG sprite animation (i did fade-in+slide-in icons for f9) so only thing that can't be done is alpha blending with desktop background (not even rounded corners possible) For KDM we (KDE SIG) would like to have userlist enabled by default, so even having pretty nice layouting abilities for graphics, widget layout can't be changed much. As i mentioned already, you're very welcome to #fedora-kde, we will appreciate that =) -- http://scwlab.com _______________________________________________ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list at redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list -- Samuele Storari Art Director Byte-Code srl mobile: +39 347 50 798 32 office: +39 02 9840047 http://www.byte-code.com From martin.sourada at gmail.com Fri Sep 5 09:19:20 2008 From: martin.sourada at gmail.com (Martin Sourada) Date: Fri, 05 Sep 2008 11:19:20 +0200 Subject: [Echo] New utilities-lvm icon set draft In-Reply-To: <48C0F25F.60508@fedoraproject.org> References: <48C0F25F.60508@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <1220606360.17220.25.camel@pc-notebook> On Fri, 2008-09-05 at 01:48 -0700, Luya Tshimbalanga wrote: > Using echo-canvas template, here is icon set of utilities-lvm. > It is basically an updated version of upstream with echo-style. > Feedback welcome. > > Luya Ok, found some issues with echo-add-icon: * You need to add context (in this case app) to document properties in document metadata (this would have been done automatically if you had created the icon using echo-new-icon). * It seems you use older version of the template, so you should rename the "Artwork" layer to "artwork" layer * You need make a group of the objects for 48x48 icon first and then lable the group as "scalable" After fixing these issues, generating everything (even the SVG I had some concerns about) works fine. 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If you have questions, just ask. > > > It looks time to improve the scripts. Not sure about that - the context in metadata is necessary, so that the script knows where to put the icon - having 48x84 icon labelled as scalable is necessary for the script to know which objects to keep and which to delete when generating the scalable SVG. > I have updated utilities-lvm icon set. Let me know what can be > tweaked. > The context in metadata is in description not in identifier (jimmac's decision). The label for 48x48 is scalable not #scalable. > Luya I'll create explanatory screen-casts soonish (hopefully today). Btw. the only one thing you could mess up if you create the icon using echo-new-icon is the scalable icon label - the rest is checked (i.e. you cannot enter wrong or none context). Well, you could make a typo in the icon name, but that cannot be checked by the scripts :-D I attach fixed (for the one canvas workflow scripts) version. The concerns I had about the icon itself (save for the shadow and tallness) [1] still stand. The darker blue you used is better, but still not perfect - it should contrast with the icon in 48x48 and smaller sizes and thus making it better recognisable against various backgrounds (e.g. the 22x22 or 16x16 is really hard to recognise) and in echo it should be generally darker than the icon fills. Martin References: [1] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-art-list/2008-September/msg00035.html -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: utilities-lvm.svg Type: image/svg+xml Size: 31664 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 197 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From sstorari at byte-code.com Fri Sep 5 10:49:32 2008 From: sstorari at byte-code.com (Samuele Storari) Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 12:49:32 +0200 (CEST) Subject: Solar round3 first step Message-ID: <1137676519.29921220611772804.JavaMail.root@mail.byte-code.com> Hi Guys! Now I've uploaded on the wiki the widescreen background with different looks based on daytime. These are the final version of the background, no more changin'. Same as usual u can find they here: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/F10Themes/Solar After i will try to create something for the Anaconda boot. ciao Samuele -- Samuele Storari Art Director Byte-Code srl mobile: +39 347 50 798 32 office: +39 02 9840047 http://www.byte-code.com From tatadbb at gmail.com Fri Sep 5 13:24:06 2008 From: tatadbb at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Mar=EDa_Leandro?=) Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2008 08:54:06 +1930 Subject: Solar round3 first step In-Reply-To: <1137676519.29921220611772804.JavaMail.root@mail.byte-code.com> References: <1137676519.29921220611772804.JavaMail.root@mail.byte-code.com> Message-ID: <27a6293b0809050624p1fb98555h85996bcfd048b887@mail.gmail.com> +1 In fact, I have to confess that I already was using the wallpaper that you put into the round 3. :D I download a few days ago the .xfc and delete all the moons and supernovas and is something like this. 2008/9/6 Samuele Storari > Hi Guys! > > Now I've uploaded on the wiki the widescreen background with different > looks based on daytime. > These are the final version of the background, no more changin'. > Same as usual u can find they here: > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/F10Themes/Solar > > After i will try to create something for the Anaconda boot. > > ciao > Samuele > > -- > Samuele Storari > Art Director > Byte-Code srl > mobile: +39 347 50 798 32 > office: +39 02 9840047 > http://www.byte-code.com > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list > -- tatica Maria Gracia Leandro http://www.tatica.org http://www.iseit.net http://www.latinux.org http://www.latinux.com http://www.fedora-ve.org http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/MariaLeandro LinuxUser= 440285 GPG Public Key: E1CDCC56 "Be yourself... 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Any > communication with the desktop and kde teams? I'm here... So, I think we need to act quickly to make Echo the default for the beta, to test the waters before F10. For Gnome, the way to do that is to change the inheritance of the Fedora icon theme to pull in Echo instead of Mist. Wrt to coverage, I have worked pretty hard this cycle to make Gnome use icon-naming-spec names wherever possible, so things should be good as long as Echo has near-100% coverage for a) icon-naming spec b) GTK+ stock icons c) application icons that show up in the menus of the default install I can look into doing the fedora-icon-theme change. Matthias From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Fri Sep 5 13:55:51 2008 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 16:55:51 +0300 (EEST) Subject: Photo for InvinXble In-Reply-To: <1244858533.28441220522157738.JavaMail.root@mail.byte-code.com> References: <266755949.28421220522071448.JavaMail.root@mail.byte-code.com> <1244858533.28441220522157738.JavaMail.root@mail.byte-code.com> Message-ID: <41580.147.251.51.130.1220622951.squirrel@webmail.nicubunu.ro> Samuele Storari wrote: > As we said some days ago, now I'got a shoot of the Katana for the > InvinXble theme. > > http://flickr.com/photos/sstorari/2826852493/ > > Last question: > What kind of license I need? > I used a CC license, I hope it is the right one. > Let me know if I had to make a change. Since the photo is made by you, the license used on Flickr does not matter: you can keep the photo proprietary on Flickr (or not release it anywhere), you are the author so you can dual license it anytime. -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com From sstorari at byte-code.com Fri Sep 5 13:57:31 2008 From: sstorari at byte-code.com (Samuele Storari) Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 15:57:31 +0200 (CEST) Subject: R: Re: Solar round3 first step In-Reply-To: <27a6293b0809050624p1fb98555h85996bcfd048b887@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1364980208.30461220623051883.JavaMail.root@mail.byte-code.com> So right now, u can use the final version don't u? :D Samuele ----- Messaggio originale ----- Da: "Mar?a Leandro" A: "Discussions about the artwork included with Fedora, including icons, themes, and wallpapers." Inviato: Venerd?, 5 settembre 2008 15:24:06 GMT +01:00 Amsterdam/Berlino/Berna/Roma/Stoccolma/Vienna Oggetto: Re: Solar round3 first step +1 In fact, I have to confess that I already was using the wallpaper that you put into the round 3. :D I download a few days ago the .xfc and delete all the moons and supernovas and is something like this. 2008/9/6 Samuele Storari < sstorari at byte-code.com > Hi Guys! Now I've uploaded on the wiki the widescreen background with different looks based on daytime. These are the final version of the background, no more changin'. Same as usual u can find they here: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/F10Themes/Solar After i will try to create something for the Anaconda boot. ciao Samuele -- Samuele Storari Art Director Byte-Code srl mobile: +39 347 50 798 32 office: +39 02 9840047 http://www.byte-code.com _______________________________________________ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list at redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list -- tatica Maria Gracia Leandro http://www.tatica.org http://www.iseit.net http://www.latinux.org http://www.latinux.com http://www.fedora-ve.org http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/MariaLeandro LinuxUser= 440285 GPG Public Key: E1CDCC56 "Be yourself... Don't be anyone else" _______________________________________________ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list at redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list -- Samuele Storari Art Director Byte-Code srl mobile: +39 347 50 798 32 office: +39 02 9840047 http://www.byte-code.com From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Fri Sep 5 14:03:07 2008 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 17:03:07 +0300 (EEST) Subject: Using photos rather than "art" In-Reply-To: <1297061125.6449811220541595974.JavaMail.root@zmail02.collab.prod.int. phx2.redhat.com> References: <408561465.6444361220541203003.JavaMail.root@zmail02.collab.prod.int.phx2.redhat.com> <1297061125.6449811220541595974.JavaMail.root@zmail02.collab.prod.int.phx2.redhat.com> Message-ID: <38326.147.251.51.130.1220623387.squirrel@webmail.nicubunu.ro> Bob Peterson wrote: > Hi Everyone, Hi Bob, > I just wanted to let everyone know that, as promised, I just > uploaded a bunch of photos (I think 23) to the wallpaper > extras wiki: > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/Wallpaper_Extras Your photos are beautiful and I am glad you submitted them, however I have a small complaint: we tried to keep some sanity in wiki attachments and used a naming scheme for the images: Wallpaper-username-imagename.jpg, the file names used by you are all generic (with the potential of creating collisions). -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com From stlwrt at gmail.com Fri Sep 5 14:35:11 2008 From: stlwrt at gmail.com (Pavel Shevchuk) Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 17:35:11 +0300 Subject: Solar round3 first step In-Reply-To: <1137676519.29921220611772804.JavaMail.root@mail.byte-code.com> References: <1137676519.29921220611772804.JavaMail.root@mail.byte-code.com> Message-ID: What's the "Splash" graphic for? GNOME doesn't use splash anymore and KDE doesn't support alpha blending with desktop =( On Fri, Sep 5, 2008 at 1:49 PM, Samuele Storari wrote: > Hi Guys! > > Now I've uploaded on the wiki the widescreen background with different looks based on daytime. > These are the final version of the background, no more changin'. > Same as usual u can find they here: > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/F10Themes/Solar > > After i will try to create something for the Anaconda boot. > > ciao > Samuele > > -- > Samuele Storari > Art Director > Byte-Code srl > mobile: +39 347 50 798 32 > office: +39 02 9840047 > http://www.byte-code.com > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list > -- http://scwlab.com From sstorari at byte-code.com Fri Sep 5 14:47:43 2008 From: sstorari at byte-code.com (Samuele Storari) Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 16:47:43 +0200 (CEST) Subject: R: Re: Solar round3 first step In-Reply-To: <40303795.30941220625951322.JavaMail.root@mail.byte-code.com> Message-ID: <643389625.30991220626063741.JavaMail.root@mail.byte-code.com> It was in the request... so I made it. I think for round 3 we need a really precise format db, with the right size of everything. I'm still workin' on what I suppose we need. A list is not only required, but needed. If someone could make one I will be very thanksfull. Samuele ----- Messaggio originale ----- Da: "Pavel Shevchuk" A: "Discussions about the artwork included with Fedora, including icons, themes, and wallpapers." Inviato: Venerd?, 5 settembre 2008 16:35:11 GMT +01:00 Amsterdam/Berlino/Berna/Roma/Stoccolma/Vienna Oggetto: Re: Solar round3 first step What's the "Splash" graphic for? GNOME doesn't use splash anymore and KDE doesn't support alpha blending with desktop =( On Fri, Sep 5, 2008 at 1:49 PM, Samuele Storari wrote: > Hi Guys! > > Now I've uploaded on the wiki the widescreen background with different looks based on daytime. > These are the final version of the background, no more changin'. > Same as usual u can find they here: > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/F10Themes/Solar > > After i will try to create something for the Anaconda boot. > > ciao > Samuele > > -- > Samuele Storari > Art Director > Byte-Code srl > mobile: +39 347 50 798 32 > office: +39 02 9840047 > http://www.byte-code.com > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list > -- http://scwlab.com _______________________________________________ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list at redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list -- Samuele Storari Art Director Byte-Code srl mobile: +39 347 50 798 32 office: +39 02 9840047 http://www.byte-code.com From martin.sourada at gmail.com Fri Sep 5 14:42:15 2008 From: martin.sourada at gmail.com (Martin Sourada) Date: Fri, 05 Sep 2008 16:42:15 +0200 Subject: Solar round3 first step In-Reply-To: References: <1137676519.29921220611772804.JavaMail.root@mail.byte-code.com> Message-ID: <1220625735.17220.41.camel@pc-notebook> On Fri, 2008-09-05 at 17:35 +0300, Pavel Shevchuk wrote: > What's the "Splash" graphic for? GNOME doesn't use splash anymore and > KDE doesn't support alpha blending with desktop =( > That's for anaconda, as can be seen in the picture above this one. Martin -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 197 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From rpeterso at redhat.com Fri Sep 5 15:02:42 2008 From: rpeterso at redhat.com (Bob Peterson) Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 11:02:42 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Using photos rather than "art" In-Reply-To: <38326.147.251.51.130.1220623387.squirrel@webmail.nicubunu.ro> Message-ID: <1875082329.235771220626962626.JavaMail.root@zmail02.collab.prod.int.phx2.redhat.com> ----- "Nicu Buculei" wrote: | a small complaint: we tried to keep some sanity in wiki attachments | and | used a naming scheme for the images: Wallpaper-username-imagename.jpg, | the | file names used by you are all generic (with the potential of | creating | collisions). Hi Nicu, Sorry about that. I'll try to conform from now on. Is there any way I can rename the files out there to match the established convention? Regards, Bob Peterson Red Hat Clustering & GFS From sstorari at byte-code.com Fri Sep 5 15:37:09 2008 From: sstorari at byte-code.com (Samuele Storari) Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 17:37:09 +0200 (CEST) Subject: Solar round3 SysLinux Display Layout In-Reply-To: <1220625735.17220.41.camel@pc-notebook> Message-ID: <2117352737.31351220629029281.JavaMail.root@mail.byte-code.com> Hi again folks https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/F10Themes/Solar as the subject says... i've posted the Solar Sys Linux Display. Let me know. Samuele ----- Messaggio originale ----- Da: "Martin Sourada" A: "Discussions about the artwork \"included with Fedora, including icons, themes, and wallpapers.\"" Inviato: Venerd?, 5 settembre 2008 16:42:15 GMT +01:00 Amsterdam/Berlino/Berna/Roma/Stoccolma/Vienna Oggetto: Re: Solar round3 first step On Fri, 2008-09-05 at 17:35 +0300, Pavel Shevchuk wrote: > What's the "Splash" graphic for? GNOME doesn't use splash anymore and > KDE doesn't support alpha blending with desktop =( > That's for anaconda, as can be seen in the picture above this one. Martin _______________________________________________ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list at redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list -- Samuele Storari Art Director Byte-Code srl mobile: +39 347 50 798 32 office: +39 02 9840047 http://www.byte-code.com From martin.sourada at gmail.com Fri Sep 5 16:16:12 2008 From: martin.sourada at gmail.com (Martin Sourada) Date: Fri, 05 Sep 2008 18:16:12 +0200 Subject: [Echo] Guidelines change, tutorials update, new screencasts Message-ID: <1220631372.17220.50.camel@pc-notebook> Hi, I've done some work on Echo wiki today and added Huge size guideline and One Canvas guideline to the Echo Guidelines [1]. Also with the introduction of the new echo-artist scripts, I updated some Echo tutorials [2][3] and created three new screen-casts [4][5][6] showing how to use these tools properly. Comments welcome, Martin PS: I am going to FUDCon tomorrow (Saturday) and since we'll most likely hold a session about Fedora Art with Nicu, it's possible that I mention these changes as well :-) References: [1] https://fedorahosted.org/echo-icon-theme/wiki/Guidelines [2] https://fedorahosted.org/echo-icon-theme/wiki/WorkingWithGit [3] https://fedorahosted.org/echo-icon-theme/wiki/AddingNewIconSet [4] http://mso.fedorapeople.org/screencasts/echo-set-up.mkv [5] http://mso.fedorapeople.org/screencasts/echo-update.mkv [6] http://mso.fedorapeople.org/screencasts/echo-add-new-icon.mkv -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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For Gnome, the way to do > that is to change the inheritance of the Fedora icon theme to pull in > Echo instead of Mist. > Definitely, that would be the preferred way of doing it. > Wrt to coverage, I have worked pretty hard this cycle to make Gnome use > icon-naming-spec names wherever possible, so things should be good as > long as Echo has near-100% coverage for > > a) icon-naming spec Won't be easy, but we should be able to make it in time... > b) GTK+ stock icons Not sure about that, I'll probably need to look into gnome-icon-theme to see which are still missing. > c) application icons that show up in the menus of the default install > We are currently making icons for the System menus which has currently very bad coverage in all icon themes so far. We should be able to finish the System -> Administration menu soon. > I can look into doing the fedora-icon-theme change. > That would be great! > > Matthias Martin -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 197 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From luya at fedoraproject.org Fri Sep 5 17:24:57 2008 From: luya at fedoraproject.org (Luya Tshimbalanga) Date: Fri, 05 Sep 2008 10:24:57 -0700 Subject: [Echo] New utilities-lvm icon set draft In-Reply-To: <1220610270.17220.39.camel@pc-notebook> References: <48C0F25F.60508@fedoraproject.org> <1220606360.17220.25.camel@pc-notebook> <48C10381.1000807@fedoraproject.org> <1220610270.17220.39.camel@pc-notebook> Message-ID: <48C16B69.3050305@fedoraproject.org> Martin Sourada a ?crit : > I attach fixed (for the one canvas workflow scripts) version. The > concerns I had about the icon itself (save for the shadow and tallness) > [1] still stand. The darker blue you used is better, but still not > perfect - it should contrast with the icon in 48x48 and smaller sizes > and thus making it better recognisable against various backgrounds (e.g. > the 22x22 or 16x16 is really hard to recognise) and in echo it should be > generally darker than the icon fills. > > Martin > > Here is fixed icons. Gradient are removed on outline for sightly brighter 48x48 icon and lower. Luya -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: utilities-lvm.png Type: image/png Size: 32713 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: utilities-lvm.svg Type: image/svg+xml Size: 28021 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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From martin.sourada at gmail.com Fri Sep 5 17:44:43 2008 From: martin.sourada at gmail.com (Martin Sourada) Date: Fri, 05 Sep 2008 19:44:43 +0200 Subject: [Echo] New utilities-lvm icon set draft In-Reply-To: <48C16B69.3050305@fedoraproject.org> References: <48C0F25F.60508@fedoraproject.org> <1220606360.17220.25.camel@pc-notebook> <48C10381.1000807@fedoraproject.org> <1220610270.17220.39.camel@pc-notebook> <48C16B69.3050305@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <1220636683.17220.63.camel@pc-notebook> On Fri, 2008-09-05 at 10:24 -0700, Luya Tshimbalanga wrote: > Here is fixed icons. Gradient are removed on outline for sightly > brighter 48x48 icon and lower. > > Luya > Generally looking good, but still needs improvement: * 16x16 icon is blurry - display rectangular grid (the axonometric grid does not fit with pixel grid) and fix the lines with its help * 256x256 should use thinner borders (1 px), preferably semi-transparent (I tend to set ~30% opacity) and I think it would be better if you separated the volumes there, so you'd have actually three cylinders instead of one Martin -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I am (almost) unable to check now if it contains apps in document metadata description since I'm on CentOS and haven't installed inkscape yet. Martin From luya at fedoraproject.org Fri Sep 5 18:51:35 2008 From: luya at fedoraproject.org (Luya Tshimbalanga) Date: Fri, 05 Sep 2008 11:51:35 -0700 Subject: [Echo] New utilities-lvm icon set draft In-Reply-To: <1220636683.17220.63.camel@pc-notebook> References: <48C0F25F.60508@fedoraproject.org> <1220606360.17220.25.camel@pc-notebook> <48C10381.1000807@fedoraproject.org> <1220610270.17220.39.camel@pc-notebook> <48C16B69.3050305@fedoraproject.org> <1220636683.17220.63.camel@pc-notebook> Message-ID: <48C17FB7.6070003@fedoraproject.org> Martin Sourada a ?crit : > > Generally looking good, but still needs improvement: > * 16x16 icon is blurry - display rectangular grid (the > axonometric grid does not fit with pixel grid) and fix the lines > with its help > Fixed. > * 256x256 should use thinner borders (1 px), preferably > semi-transparent (I tend to set ~30% opacity) and I think it > would be better if you separated the volumes there, so you'd > have actually three cylinders instead of one > > Done. 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Martin From luya at fedoraproject.org Fri Sep 5 19:16:22 2008 From: luya at fedoraproject.org (Luya Tshimbalanga) Date: Fri, 05 Sep 2008 12:16:22 -0700 Subject: [Echo] New utilities-lvm icon set draft In-Reply-To: <1220641865.8252.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <48C0F25F.60508@fedoraproject.org> <1220606360.17220.25.camel@pc-notebook> <48C10381.1000807@fedoraproject.org> <1220610270.17220.39.camel@pc-notebook> <48C16B69.3050305@fedoraproject.org> <1220636683.17220.63.camel@pc-notebook> <48C17FB7.6070003@fedoraproject.org> <1220641865.8252.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <48C18586.8020709@fedoraproject.org> Whoops, here is the correct version. Luya -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: utilities-lvm.png Type: image/png Size: 24660 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Simply said if we don't achieve the Mist/gnome > > icon themes coverage, we'll be rolled back to Mist and wait for another > > release. > > > Well aware which is why extra manpower is need. Two people for iconset > are just not enough. > > Luya > Would be willing to get involved with the icons, but need "mentoring" as I go along. Frank -- gpg id EB547226 Revoked Forgot Password :( aMSN: Frankly3D http://www.frankly3d.com -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Martin From martin.sourada at gmail.com Fri Sep 5 19:27:07 2008 From: martin.sourada at gmail.com (Martin Sourada) Date: Fri, 05 Sep 2008 21:27:07 +0200 Subject: [Echo] New preferences-system-bootloader icon set draft In-Reply-To: <48C185ED.3060401@fedoraproject.org> References: <48C17A16.9070804@fedoraproject.org> <1220639808.8252.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> <48C185ED.3060401@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <1220642828.10044.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Fri, 2008-09-05 at 12:18 -0700, Luya Tshimbalanga wrote: > Updated version with axonometric perspective. > > Luya The shadow is still using the on-the-table perspective. Also it feels a little different than other axonometric icons. Perhaps comparison with some cube-like icon would help to better it. Also, please use linear gradient for the fill with brighter spots at top, the radial gradient with dark spot at top does feel strange. Martin From martin.sourada at gmail.com Fri Sep 5 19:30:30 2008 From: martin.sourada at gmail.com (Martin Sourada) Date: Fri, 05 Sep 2008 21:30:30 +0200 Subject: Good news about Echo In-Reply-To: <1220642496.2695.10.camel@frank-01> References: <1220593659.48c0c7fbb75ed@ssl.mecca.ca> <1220601795.17220.1.camel@pc-notebook> <48C0E8F0.5080708@fedoraproject.org> <1220642496.2695.10.camel@frank-01> Message-ID: <1220643030.10044.9.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Fri, 2008-09-05 at 20:21 +0100, Frank Murphy wrote: > On Fri, 2008-09-05 at 01:08 -0700, Luya Tshimbalanga wrote: > > Martin Sourada a ?crit : > > > Just a note that Fesco (and many art team members as well) has some > > > concerns about coverage. Simply said if we don't achieve the Mist/gnome > > > icon themes coverage, we'll be rolled back to Mist and wait for another > > > release. > > > > > Well aware which is why extra manpower is need. Two people for iconset > > are just not enough. > > > > Luya > > > > > Would be willing to get involved with the icons, but need "mentoring" as > I go along. > > Frank > Great! We'll help you as much as we can. I am going tomorrow to FUDCon and I don't whether I'll be on-line, but starting on Sunday I'll be able to help. Until then you can get familiar with Echo Guidelines [1]. Martin References: [1] https://fedorahosted.org/echo-icon-theme/wiki/Guidelines From stlwrt at gmail.com Fri Sep 5 23:24:41 2008 From: stlwrt at gmail.com (Pavel Shevchuk) Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2008 02:24:41 +0300 Subject: R: Re: Solar round3 first step In-Reply-To: <643389625.30991220626063741.JavaMail.root@mail.byte-code.com> References: <40303795.30941220625951322.JavaMail.root@mail.byte-code.com> <643389625.30991220626063741.JavaMail.root@mail.byte-code.com> Message-ID: On Fri, Sep 5, 2008 at 5:47 PM, Samuele Storari wrote: > It was in the request... so I made it. > I think for round 3 we need a really precise format db, with the right size of everything. > I'm still workin' on what I suppose we need. > A list is not only required, but needed. I updated technical info on KDE theming in wiki yesterday. GNOME folks could do the same ;) https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/ThemingOverview#KDE_Artwork -- http://scwlab.com From poelstra at redhat.com Sat Sep 6 03:33:44 2008 From: poelstra at redhat.com (John Poelstra) Date: Fri, 05 Sep 2008 20:33:44 -0700 Subject: Fedora 10 Art Schedule In-Reply-To: <48BBA1B9.4040704@nicubunu.ro> References: <48B74D76.9030206@redhat.com> <48BBA1B9.4040704@nicubunu.ro> Message-ID: <48C1FA18.2070806@redhat.com> Nicu Buculei wrote: > We should add somewhere (not sure where, when and how) a decision window > about the default icon theme: we have to decide if we go with Echo or > stay with Mist. See this: > https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-art-list/2008-August/msg00328.html > Has a final date been picked to decide the final theme? If so, what is it? Thanks, john From luya at fedoraproject.org Sat Sep 6 09:35:04 2008 From: luya at fedoraproject.org (Luya Tshimbalanga) Date: Sat, 06 Sep 2008 02:35:04 -0700 Subject: [Echo] New preferences-system-bootloader icon set draft In-Reply-To: <1220642828.10044.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <48C17A16.9070804@fedoraproject.org> <1220639808.8252.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> <48C185ED.3060401@fedoraproject.org> <1220642828.10044.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <48C24EC8.40809@fedoraproject.org> Martin Sourada a ?crit : > The shadow is still using the on-the-table perspective. Also it feels a > little different than other axonometric icons. Perhaps comparison with > some cube-like icon would help to better it. > Set shadow on axonometric perspective. > Also, please use linear gradient for the fill with brighter spots at > top, the radial gradient with dark spot at top does feel strange. > > Fixed. 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Perhaps adding outline on the globe might help . -- Luya Tshimbalanga Fedora Project contributor http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/LuyaTshimbalanga From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Sun Sep 7 10:35:31 2008 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2008 13:35:31 +0300 (EEST) Subject: Fedora 10 Art Schedule In-Reply-To: <48C1FA18.2070806@redhat.com> References: <48B74D76.9030206@redhat.com> <48BBA1B9.4040704@nicubunu.ro> <48C1FA18.2070806@redhat.com> Message-ID: <39055.147.251.51.130.1220783731.squirrel@webmail.nicubunu.ro> John Poelstra wrote: > > Has a final date been picked to decide the final theme? If so, what is > it? I believe Mo mentioned 21 September as the final date, but don't listen to me, I am at FUDCon with too much Czech beer... -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com From martin.sourada at gmail.com Sun Sep 7 12:41:13 2008 From: martin.sourada at gmail.com (Martin Sourada) Date: Sun, 07 Sep 2008 14:41:13 +0200 Subject: [Echo] New system-network-control icon set In-Reply-To: <1220763434.48c35f2a2a76d@ssl.mecca.ca> References: <1220707464.3587.7.camel@pc-notebook> <1220763434.48c35f2a2a76d@ssl.mecca.ca> Message-ID: <1220791273.3158.7.camel@pc-notebook> On Sun, 2008-09-07 at 00:57 -0400, Luya Tshimbalanga wrote: > Minor issue of the globle on 256x256 icon. If we think about the same issue, it's fixed now, along with minor monitor improvement. > Monitor and the global are hard to distinguish on extra small icon. Perhaps > adding outline on the globe might help . > Hopefully fixed. 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I attach the list and will transfer it gradually to wiki together with the check of what is *really* needed. Of course, this list contains only icons from specs, but if you feel there are other icons we need finished for F10 let us know and we'll expand the list if needed. 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I attach > the list and will transfer it gradually to wiki together with the check > of what is *really* needed. > > Of course, this list contains only icons from specs, but if you feel > there are other icons we need finished for F10 let us know and we'll > expand the list if needed. > > Thanks, > Martin OK, checked on F9 Desktop Live and transferred to wiki [1]. In numbers, we need to create about 28 new icons and will probably need to rework another 16 icons which totals up to 44 icons (these numbers are correct, unless I missed some important icon or did some miscalculation...). Note: the action icons might not be that important to create since we use similar projection to gnome-icon-theme to which we fall-back. Martin CC-ing fedora-desktop-list since they might be interested in checking the list if it is complete. References: [1] https://fedorahosted.org/echo-icon-theme/wiki/ToDo/BaseSet -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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For Gnome, the way to do >> that is to change the inheritance of the Fedora icon theme to pull in >> Echo instead of Mist. >> >> >> b) GTK+ stock icons >> > Not sure about that, I'll probably need to look into gnome-icon-theme to > see which are still missing. > Here is the list of stock items: http://library.gnome.org/devel/gtk/unstable/gtk-Stock-Items.html Even though the same team drew both GTK+ stock and gnome-icon-theme, we only ship icon-naming-spec stuff with gnome-icon-theme. So even though some items are the same, there is a bunch of icons in there that are specific to GTK+. These are actually used quite a lot in unexpected places, like the games, 3rd party applications etc. so they are quite important. - Andreas From martin.sourada at gmail.com Mon Sep 8 09:09:45 2008 From: martin.sourada at gmail.com (Martin Sourada) Date: Mon, 08 Sep 2008 11:09:45 +0200 Subject: Good news about Echo In-Reply-To: <48C4D108.4050907@home.se> References: <1220593659.48c0c7fbb75ed@ssl.mecca.ca> <48C0D810.1050207@fedoraproject.org> <1220621706.4220.10.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1220631779.17220.56.camel@pc-notebook> <48C4D108.4050907@home.se> Message-ID: <1220864985.3180.18.camel@pc-notebook> On Mon, 2008-09-08 at 09:15 +0200, Andreas Nilsson wrote: > Here is the list of stock items: > http://library.gnome.org/devel/gtk/unstable/gtk-Stock-Items.html > > Even though the same team drew both GTK+ stock and gnome-icon-theme, we > only ship icon-naming-spec stuff with gnome-icon-theme. So even though > some items are the same, there is a bunch of icons in there that are > specific to GTK+. > These are actually used quite a lot in unexpected places, like the > games, 3rd party applications etc. so they are quite important. > - Andreas > Heh, didn't occurred to me that I could check gtk docs :-D Thanks for the link, seems like many of the stock icons are already in the icon-naming-spec (though under different names). I think icon-naming-utils create symlinks for those correctly, but I'll check it nevertheless. Do you know whether gtk guys plan to stick with the current names (like gtk-add) or switch to icon-naming-spec (like list-add)? Martin -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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For Gnome, the way to do > >> that is to change the inheritance of the Fedora icon theme to pull in > >> Echo instead of Mist. > >> > >> > >> b) GTK+ stock icons > >> > > Not sure about that, I'll probably need to look into gnome-icon-theme to > > see which are still missing. > > > Here is the list of stock items: > http://library.gnome.org/devel/gtk/unstable/gtk-Stock-Items.html > > Even though the same team drew both GTK+ stock and gnome-icon-theme, we > only ship icon-naming-spec stuff with gnome-icon-theme. Thats actually a bug, if you ask me. In fact, I've filed one with a .xml file to use with the icon-naming-utils to create just gtk stock symlinks, not all the other legacy symlinks. From mclasen at redhat.com Mon Sep 8 15:01:15 2008 From: mclasen at redhat.com (Matthias Clasen) Date: Mon, 08 Sep 2008 11:01:15 -0400 Subject: Good news about Echo In-Reply-To: <1220864985.3180.18.camel@pc-notebook> References: <1220593659.48c0c7fbb75ed@ssl.mecca.ca> <48C0D810.1050207@fedoraproject.org> <1220621706.4220.10.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1220631779.17220.56.camel@pc-notebook> <48C4D108.4050907@home.se> <1220864985.3180.18.camel@pc-notebook> Message-ID: <1220886076.5494.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Mon, 2008-09-08 at 11:09 +0200, Martin Sourada wrote: > > Heh, didn't occurred to me that I could check gtk docs :-D Thanks for > the link, seems like many of the stock icons are already in the > icon-naming-spec (though under different names). I think > icon-naming-utils create symlinks for those correctly, but I'll check it > nevertheless. Our gnome-icon-theme package has a patch to create the gtk stock symlinks, even if the other legacy symlinks are left out, since the gtk stock names are not really legacy. > Do you know whether gtk guys plan to stick with the current names (like > gtk-add) or switch to icon-naming-spec (like list-add)? No, there is no plan to do that, and it is not really possible either. Those strings are compiled into millions of binaries all over the world... From martin.sourada at gmail.com Mon Sep 8 17:51:46 2008 From: martin.sourada at gmail.com (Martin Sourada) Date: Mon, 08 Sep 2008 19:51:46 +0200 Subject: Good news about Echo In-Reply-To: <1220886076.5494.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1220593659.48c0c7fbb75ed@ssl.mecca.ca> <48C0D810.1050207@fedoraproject.org> <1220621706.4220.10.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1220631779.17220.56.camel@pc-notebook> <48C4D108.4050907@home.se> <1220864985.3180.18.camel@pc-notebook> <1220886076.5494.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1220896306.3180.27.camel@pc-notebook> On Mon, 2008-09-08 at 11:01 -0400, Matthias Clasen wrote: > No, there is no plan to do that, and it is not really possible either. > Those strings are compiled into millions of binaries all over the > world... > Not sure about that. As long as we keep the symlinks in icon themes, but change the gtk #definitions, the old applications would still work and the newly rebuilt ones would follow icon-naming-spec more closely - which would eventually (after some years probably) practically remove the need for those symlinks. But I am in no position to tell gtk devs what they should do, so if you disagree, just ignore my comment, I was merely interested to know if there are any such plans :) Martin -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 197 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From nisses.mail at home.se Mon Sep 8 18:01:56 2008 From: nisses.mail at home.se (Andreas Nilsson) Date: Mon, 08 Sep 2008 20:01:56 +0200 Subject: Good news about Echo In-Reply-To: <1220886076.5494.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1220593659.48c0c7fbb75ed@ssl.mecca.ca> <48C0D810.1050207@fedoraproject.org> <1220621706.4220.10.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1220631779.17220.56.camel@pc-notebook> <48C4D108.4050907@home.se> <1220864985.3180.18.camel@pc-notebook> <1220886076.5494.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <48C56894.9070504@home.se> Matthias Clasen wrote: > On Mon, 2008-09-08 at 11:09 +0200, Martin Sourada wrote: > > >> Heh, didn't occurred to me that I could check gtk docs :-D Thanks for >> the link, seems like many of the stock icons are already in the >> icon-naming-spec (though under different names). I think >> icon-naming-utils create symlinks for those correctly, but I'll check it >> nevertheless. >> > > Our gnome-icon-theme package has a patch to create the gtk stock > symlinks, even if the other legacy symlinks are left out, since the gtk > stock names are not really legacy. > Ah, cool! Do you have a url to that patch? - Andreas From martin.sourada at gmail.com Mon Sep 8 18:24:37 2008 From: martin.sourada at gmail.com (Martin Sourada) Date: Mon, 08 Sep 2008 20:24:37 +0200 Subject: Good news about Echo In-Reply-To: <48C56894.9070504@home.se> References: <1220593659.48c0c7fbb75ed@ssl.mecca.ca> <48C0D810.1050207@fedoraproject.org> <1220621706.4220.10.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1220631779.17220.56.camel@pc-notebook> <48C4D108.4050907@home.se> <1220864985.3180.18.camel@pc-notebook> <1220886076.5494.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> <48C56894.9070504@home.se> Message-ID: <1220898277.3180.29.camel@pc-notebook> On Mon, 2008-09-08 at 20:01 +0200, Andreas Nilsson wrote: > Matthias Clasen wrote: > > On Mon, 2008-09-08 at 11:09 +0200, Martin Sourada wrote: > > > > > >> Heh, didn't occurred to me that I could check gtk docs :-D Thanks for > >> the link, seems like many of the stock icons are already in the > >> icon-naming-spec (though under different names). I think > >> icon-naming-utils create symlinks for those correctly, but I'll check it > >> nevertheless. > >> > > > > Our gnome-icon-theme package has a patch to create the gtk stock > > symlinks, even if the other legacy symlinks are left out, since the gtk > > stock names are not really legacy. > > > Ah, cool! Do you have a url to that patch? > - Andreas > http://cvs.fedoraproject.org/viewvc/rpms/gnome-icon-theme/devel/ Seems like they use custom version of the legacy-icon-mapping.xml. Martin -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 197 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From mclasen at redhat.com Mon Sep 8 18:50:01 2008 From: mclasen at redhat.com (Matthias Clasen) Date: Mon, 08 Sep 2008 14:50:01 -0400 Subject: Good news about Echo In-Reply-To: <48C56894.9070504@home.se> References: <1220593659.48c0c7fbb75ed@ssl.mecca.ca> <48C0D810.1050207@fedoraproject.org> <1220621706.4220.10.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1220631779.17220.56.camel@pc-notebook> <48C4D108.4050907@home.se> <1220864985.3180.18.camel@pc-notebook> <1220886076.5494.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> <48C56894.9070504@home.se> Message-ID: <1220899801.5494.9.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Mon, 2008-09-08 at 20:01 +0200, Andreas Nilsson wrote: > Matthias Clasen wrote: > > On Mon, 2008-09-08 at 11:09 +0200, Martin Sourada wrote: > > > > > >> Heh, didn't occurred to me that I could check gtk docs :-D Thanks for > >> the link, seems like many of the stock icons are already in the > >> icon-naming-spec (though under different names). I think > >> icon-naming-utils create symlinks for those correctly, but I'll check it > >> nevertheless. > >> > > > > Our gnome-icon-theme package has a patch to create the gtk stock > > symlinks, even if the other legacy symlinks are left out, since the gtk > > stock names are not really legacy. > > > Ah, cool! Do you have a url to that patch? > - Andreas http://mail.gnome.org/archives/gnome-themes-list/2008-June/msg00003.html From poelstra at redhat.com Tue Sep 9 04:53:41 2008 From: poelstra at redhat.com (John Poelstra) Date: Mon, 08 Sep 2008 21:53:41 -0700 Subject: Fedora 10 Art Schedule In-Reply-To: <39055.147.251.51.130.1220783731.squirrel@webmail.nicubunu.ro> References: <48B74D76.9030206@redhat.com> <48BBA1B9.4040704@nicubunu.ro> <48C1FA18.2070806@redhat.com> <39055.147.251.51.130.1220783731.squirrel@webmail.nicubunu.ro> Message-ID: <48C60155.3020203@redhat.com> Nicu Buculei said the following on 09/07/2008 03:35 AM Pacific Time: > John Poelstra wrote: >> Has a final date been picked to decide the final theme? If so, what is >> it? > > > I believe Mo mentioned 21 September as the final date, but don't listen to > me, I am at FUDCon with too much Czech beer... > Update schedule is here: http://poelstra.fedorapeople.org/schedules/f-10/f-10-art-tasks.html Let me know if anything else needs fixing. John From luya at fedoraproject.org Sat Sep 6 09:28:44 2008 From: luya at fedoraproject.org (Luya Tshimbalanga) Date: Sat, 06 Sep 2008 02:28:44 -0700 Subject: [Echo] New preferences-system-bootloader icon set draft In-Reply-To: <1220642828.10044.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <48C17A16.9070804@fedoraproject.org> <1220639808.8252.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> <48C185ED.3060401@fedoraproject.org> <1220642828.10044.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <48C24D4C.4010605@fedoraproject.org> Martin Sourada a ?crit : > The shadow is still using the on-the-table perspective. Also it feels a > little different than other axonometric icons. Perhaps comparison with > some cube-like icon would help to better it. > Set shadow on axonometric perspective. > Also, please use linear gradient for the fill with brighter spots at > top, the radial gradient with dark spot at top does feel strange. > > Fixed. Luya -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: preferences-system-bootloader.png Type: image/png Size: 49244 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Perhaps comparison with > > some cube-like icon would help to better it. > > > Set shadow on axonometric perspective. > > > Also, please use linear gradient for the fill with brighter spots at > > top, the radial gradient with dark spot at top does feel strange. > > > > > Fixed. > > Luya > I attach some minor fixes to icon clarity, alignment and some 256x256 improvement. With these changes I have no further comments. Martin -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: preferences-system-bootloader.png Type: image/png Size: 48805 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: preferences-system-bootloader.svg Type: image/svg+xml Size: 46532 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Thanks a lot. - -- Regards, Huzaifa Sidhpurwala, RHCE, CCNA (IRC: huzaifas) Research and Development Lead, Global Help Desk, Pune Phone: +91 20 4005 7322 (UTC +5.5) GnuPG Fingerprint: 3A0F DAFB 9279 02ED 273B FFE9 CC70 DCF2 DA5B DAE5 Visit the Help Desk portal at : http://helpdesk.corp.redhat.com -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Red Hat - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFIxhOdzHDc8tpb2uURAslFAKCZ/4R7IyUKM0aaUB9KdnUUuDU4WACdEZzZ KGf53I8JAKQ4JuLm+Qv4OCQ= =ObEI -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Tue Sep 9 12:41:24 2008 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Tue, 09 Sep 2008 15:41:24 +0300 Subject: Fedora Art at FUDCon Message-ID: <48C66EF4.7090300@nicubunu.ro> As I can't take photos of myself, here is an excellent photo taken by Francesco Crippa with Martin and me at FUDCon: http://www.flickr.com/photos/fcrippa/2841971331/ And a couple of photos by me with Martin talking about our projects: http://www.flickr.com/photos/nicubunu/2834913723/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/nicubunu/2835751382/ Not last, a proof that Martin worked on Echo at the conference: http://www.flickr.com/photos/nicubunu/2835749746/ (I also have proof of him drinking *****, but I will not shame him right now :p ) My recommendation is: if you have the opportunity to meet another member(s) of the team, do not hesitate and use it. It was really good time. -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From frankly3d at gmail.com Tue Sep 9 12:49:53 2008 From: frankly3d at gmail.com (Frank Murphy) Date: Tue, 09 Sep 2008 13:49:53 +0100 Subject: Fedora Art at FUDCon In-Reply-To: <48C66EF4.7090300@nicubunu.ro> References: <48C66EF4.7090300@nicubunu.ro> Message-ID: <1220964593.2658.39.camel@frank-01> On Tue, 2008-09-09 at 15:41 +0300, Nicu Buculei wrote: > http://www.flickr.com/photos/fcrippa/2841971331/ > http://www.flickr.com/photos/nicubunu/2834913723/ > http://www.flickr.com/photos/nicubunu/2835751382/ > My recommendation is: if you have the opportunity to meet another > member(s) of the team, do not hesitate and use it. It was really good time. > I feel old...ish Frank From sstorari at byte-code.com Tue Sep 9 14:03:48 2008 From: sstorari at byte-code.com (Samuele Storari) Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2008 16:03:48 +0200 (CEST) Subject: Solar Round 3 - Almost ended Message-ID: <1140160131.35181220969028789.JavaMail.root@mail.byte-code.com> Hi all I've almost done all the requirement for Solar Theme, leftin' me only the no-wide Wallpaper. If someone checks other materials leftin me, please, let me know. U can find all here. https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/F10Themes/Solar As usual let me know ur guest. Thanks Samuele -- Samuele Storari Art Director Byte-Code srl mobile: +39 347 50 798 32 office: +39 02 9840047 http://www.byte-code.com From duffy at fedoraproject.org Tue Sep 9 14:26:47 2008 From: duffy at fedoraproject.org (=?UTF-8?B?TcOhaXLDrW4gRHVmZnk=?=) Date: Tue, 09 Sep 2008 10:26:47 -0400 Subject: Solar Round 3 - Almost ended In-Reply-To: <1140160131.35181220969028789.JavaMail.root@mail.byte-code.com> References: <1140160131.35181220969028789.JavaMail.root@mail.byte-code.com> Message-ID: <48C687A7.8090100@fedoraproject.org> Hi Samuele, Samuele Storari wrote: > Hi all > > I've almost done all the requirement for Solar Theme, leftin' me only the no-wide Wallpaper. > If someone checks other materials leftin me, please, let me know. > > U can find all here. > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/F10Themes/Solar I apologize if you provided this earlier but I didn't see it - I was wondering if you could provide us the source/attribution info for: - the moon/planet image - the aurora image That are used in the solar wallpaper artwork. I would just like to ascertain that the licensing on them is acceptable so if not we have time to replace them with sufficiently-licensed work. I know the moon image should be easy to replace with a public-domain NASA image. The auroras I'm not sure - I tried to recreate them in gimp without much success. I would really appreciate if you could let us know the licenses/sources for the above. Thanks, ~m From duffy at fedoraproject.org Tue Sep 9 14:36:04 2008 From: duffy at fedoraproject.org (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?M=E1ir=EDn_Duffy?=) Date: Tue, 09 Sep 2008 10:36:04 -0400 Subject: Criteria for theme selection Message-ID: <48C689D4.60009@fedoraproject.org> Hi, Since our deadline to choose a theme is Sep 21 I would like to make sure before that point the criteria for selection are clear. Our base requirements is that the theme must have all required artwork needed for round 3. We have not yet had a case where more than one theme met this basic requirement. In case we do have multiple themes that meet this requirement, we need a fair method to choose which theme is selected as the default. Some ideas: - I believe Nicu suggested at one point that the number of people involved in creating the theme should be a selection factor, as the art team is a community effort. - I think perhaps setting up a vote could also be useful. The vote could be restricted to currently-active art team contributors and/or it could be opened to the whole set of Fedora accounts. - We could let FESCO decide. My suggestion is that we have a vote within the set of active Fedora art team contributors. The problem is how do we determine who is allowed in this vote - who is active? We could do: - anyone who contributed a theme idea or artwork throughout the 3 round process - anyone who has contributed a design to the art team (via the design queue, echo theme, or art theme process) in the past 6 months (the fedora 9 release period) - anyone who is in the art group in the account system (i don't think we have cleaned this out yet though and there are a few inactive accounts still I think) What do you all think? ~m From duffy at fedoraproject.org Tue Sep 9 14:30:21 2008 From: duffy at fedoraproject.org (=?UTF-8?B?TcOhaXLDrW4gRHVmZnk=?=) Date: Tue, 09 Sep 2008 10:30:21 -0400 Subject: Solar Critique (was Re: Solar Round 3 - Almost ended) In-Reply-To: <1140160131.35181220969028789.JavaMail.root@mail.byte-code.com> References: <1140160131.35181220969028789.JavaMail.root@mail.byte-code.com> Message-ID: <48C6887D.9060101@fedoraproject.org> Some feedback on solar thus far: Samuele Storari wrote: > Hi all > > I've almost done all the requirement for Solar Theme, leftin' me only the no-wide Wallpaper. > If someone checks other materials leftin me, please, let me know. > > U can find all here. > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/F10Themes/Solar - Where did the icons in the firstboot splash come from? We should be using gnome-icon-theme or Echo icons ideally. However it's not clear to me where this icons came from; we can't be using artwork from elsewhere without making sure the license allows it and is appropriate for Fedora. - the syslinux splash design doesn't seem to feed the feel/mood of the rest of the artwork. I think we could make it more photo realistic even with the color restrictions. - the background of the login window is too busy/distracting. Probably just a nice dark gradient would look nice although I don't even know if this kind of theming is possible with the new gdm. - the design for GRUB is missing. Thanks, ~m From martin.sourada at gmail.com Tue Sep 9 15:01:54 2008 From: martin.sourada at gmail.com (Martin Sourada) Date: Tue, 09 Sep 2008 17:01:54 +0200 Subject: Solar Critique (was Re: Solar Round 3 - Almost ended) In-Reply-To: <48C6887D.9060101@fedoraproject.org> References: <1140160131.35181220969028789.JavaMail.root@mail.byte-code.com> <48C6887D.9060101@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <1220972514.8385.33.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Tue, 2008-09-09 at 10:30 -0400, M?ir?n Duffy wrote: > Some feedback on solar thus far: > > - Where did the icons in the firstboot splash come from? We should be > using gnome-icon-theme or Echo icons ideally. However it's not clear to > me where this icons came from; we can't be using artwork from elsewhere > without making sure the license allows it and is appropriate for Fedora. > I'd guess these are oxygen icons by the look, which should be fine - we use them as default in KDE and they have good license. > - the syslinux splash design doesn't seem to feed the feel/mood of the > rest of the artwork. I think we could make it more photo realistic even > with the color restrictions. > > - the background of the login window is too busy/distracting. Probably > just a nice dark gradient would look nice although I don't even know if > this kind of theming is possible with the new gdm. > I totally agree with those two, but AFAIK, syslinux does not have the colour restriction GRUB has. The theme is probably for KDM which still allows it and is IIRC on the KDE Spin ;-) > - the design for GRUB is missing. > I think we could reuse the the syslinux one, only with 16 colours (or how much it supports). Personally I think the problem both with syslinux and login window theme are the dots on background - they are too strong/too contrastive and does not really fit well with the rest of the theme. The simplified sun is also questionable, I think it works nice in the firstboot screen, but nowhere else. BTW. I liked the syslinux image from Round 2 (I think it's listed as Anaconda Prompt Screen). I think it would work (after some simplification) for the colour-limited GRUB as well. Martin From sstorari at byte-code.com Tue Sep 9 15:07:56 2008 From: sstorari at byte-code.com (Samuele Storari) Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2008 17:07:56 +0200 (CEST) Subject: R: Re: Solar Round 3 - Almost ended In-Reply-To: <1223891955.35261220971955485.JavaMail.root@mail.byte-code.com> Message-ID: <216199063.35291220972876482.JavaMail.root@mail.byte-code.com> Hi Mairin, The aurora U see was for all created by me, in no complex mode, as u can see in the source file so u don't have to recreate it cos as I done all by myself it's totally open. I used the Cloud effect http://www.gimpguru.org/Tutorials/SimulatedFog/ but I color the cloud, and then I distort the cloud, apply the Screen Mode Blending layer Effect and that's all, i don't think we need any license. For the planet as u can see it's all maded by different layer and there aren't part of not open material. So don't worry, my works it's made right for their purpose, totally free and open source. :D Ciao Samuele ----- Messaggio originale ----- Da: "M?ir?n Duffy" A: "Discussions about the artwork included with Fedora, including icons, themes, and wallpapers." Inviato: Marted?, 9 settembre 2008 16:26:47 GMT +01:00 Amsterdam/Berlino/Berna/Roma/Stoccolma/Vienna Oggetto: Re: Solar Round 3 - Almost ended Hi Samuele, Samuele Storari wrote: > Hi all > > I've almost done all the requirement for Solar Theme, leftin' me only the no-wide Wallpaper. > If someone checks other materials leftin me, please, let me know. > > U can find all here. > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/F10Themes/Solar I apologize if you provided this earlier but I didn't see it - I was wondering if you could provide us the source/attribution info for: - the moon/planet image - the aurora image That are used in the solar wallpaper artwork. I would just like to ascertain that the licensing on them is acceptable so if not we have time to replace them with sufficiently-licensed work. I know the moon image should be easy to replace with a public-domain NASA image. The auroras I'm not sure - I tried to recreate them in gimp without much success. I would really appreciate if you could let us know the licenses/sources for the above. Thanks, ~m _______________________________________________ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list at redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list -- Samuele Storari Art Director Byte-Code srl mobile: +39 347 50 798 32 office: +39 02 9840047 http://www.byte-code.com From sstorari at byte-code.com Tue Sep 9 15:23:06 2008 From: sstorari at byte-code.com (Samuele Storari) Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2008 17:23:06 +0200 (CEST) Subject: R: Criteria for theme selection In-Reply-To: <48C689D4.60009@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <523069575.35451220973786818.JavaMail.root@mail.byte-code.com> Well I think the vote will be totally open to the whole community. Why I think that? Cos the graphic it's made for all, think about art, think about expression, it comes from the inside need of someone to express to other, to comunicate. I hope we don't think to elevate us over the other people, we aren't the keeper of a sort of graphical wisdom, we create for the community, we work for all them and I think will be the right thing let the community decide. Don't forget in first the community have to use what we create, and we have to hear to the voice of the majority. So this is my opinion. Free Art - Free World. :D Ciao Samuele ----- Messaggio originale ----- Da: "M?ir?n Duffy" A: "Discussions about the artwork included with Fedora, including icons, themes, and wallpapers." Inviato: Marted?, 9 settembre 2008 16:36:04 GMT +01:00 Amsterdam/Berlino/Berna/Roma/Stoccolma/Vienna Oggetto: Criteria for theme selection Hi, Since our deadline to choose a theme is Sep 21 I would like to make sure before that point the criteria for selection are clear. Our base requirements is that the theme must have all required artwork needed for round 3. We have not yet had a case where more than one theme met this basic requirement. In case we do have multiple themes that meet this requirement, we need a fair method to choose which theme is selected as the default. Some ideas: - I believe Nicu suggested at one point that the number of people involved in creating the theme should be a selection factor, as the art team is a community effort. - I think perhaps setting up a vote could also be useful. The vote could be restricted to currently-active art team contributors and/or it could be opened to the whole set of Fedora accounts. - We could let FESCO decide. My suggestion is that we have a vote within the set of active Fedora art team contributors. The problem is how do we determine who is allowed in this vote - who is active? We could do: - anyone who contributed a theme idea or artwork throughout the 3 round process - anyone who has contributed a design to the art team (via the design queue, echo theme, or art theme process) in the past 6 months (the fedora 9 release period) - anyone who is in the art group in the account system (i don't think we have cleaned this out yet though and there are a few inactive accounts still I think) What do you all think? ~m _______________________________________________ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list at redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list -- Samuele Storari Art Director Byte-Code srl mobile: +39 347 50 798 32 office: +39 02 9840047 http://www.byte-code.com From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Tue Sep 9 15:29:09 2008 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Tue, 09 Sep 2008 18:29:09 +0300 Subject: Solar Critique (was Re: Solar Round 3 - Almost ended) In-Reply-To: <1220972514.8385.33.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1140160131.35181220969028789.JavaMail.root@mail.byte-code.com> <48C6887D.9060101@fedoraproject.org> <1220972514.8385.33.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <48C69645.7070001@nicubunu.ro> Martin Sourada wrote: > On Tue, 2008-09-09 at 10:30 -0400, M?ir?n Duffy wrote: >> Some feedback on solar thus far: >> >> - Where did the icons in the firstboot splash come from? We should be >> using gnome-icon-theme or Echo icons ideally. However it's not clear to >> me where this icons came from; we can't be using artwork from elsewhere >> without making sure the license allows it and is appropriate for Fedora. >> > I'd guess these are oxygen icons by the look, which should be fine - we > use them as default in KDE and they have good license. But it would make a lot more sense to use Echo or Mist icons, something the majority of our users will really see after the install ends. -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Tue Sep 9 15:46:54 2008 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Tue, 09 Sep 2008 18:46:54 +0300 Subject: R: Criteria for theme selection In-Reply-To: <523069575.35451220973786818.JavaMail.root@mail.byte-code.com> References: <523069575.35451220973786818.JavaMail.root@mail.byte-code.com> Message-ID: <48C69A6E.8040502@nicubunu.ro> Samuele Storari wrote: > Well > > I think the vote will be totally open to the whole community. > > Why I think that? > Cos the graphic it's made for all, think about art, think about expression, it comes from the inside need of someone to express to other, to comunicate. > I hope we don't think to elevate us over the other people, we aren't the keeper of a sort of graphical wisdom, we create for the community, we work for all them and I think will be the right thing let the community decide. The trouble is that the large community knows little about usability and good design. I said it before and I say it again: if we keep a popular vote, I bet I storm the results if I propose some softcore anime or a half-nude photo of Angelina Jolie. > Don't forget in first the community have to use what we create, and we have to hear to the voice of the majority. We usually hear the voice of a loud minority. > So this is my opinion. > > Free Art - Free World. :D And then let's make all our decisions (about defaults, application choices, packaging) based on popular vote. -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Tue Sep 9 15:52:46 2008 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Tue, 09 Sep 2008 18:52:46 +0300 Subject: Criteria for theme selection In-Reply-To: <48C689D4.60009@fedoraproject.org> References: <48C689D4.60009@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <48C69BCE.7030104@nicubunu.ro> M?ir?n Duffy wrote: > > We could do: > > - anyone who contributed a theme idea or artwork throughout the 3 round > process > - anyone who has contributed a design to the art team (via the design > queue, echo theme, or art theme process) in the past 6 months (the > fedora 9 release period) > - anyone who is in the art group in the account system (i don't think we > have cleaned this out yet though and there are a few inactive accounts > still I think) The membership queue is not in a bad shape, its main problem is people who did the tasks needed for membership and then went silent. I think we should be realistic and avoid excessive bureaucracy: I won't, and I believe you won't either, compile by hand a huge list of all the people who contributed on the wiki, mailing list, git, cvs, etc. for half of a year and compare it with a list of votes (and I don't think we can automate this). -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com From sstorari at byte-code.com Tue Sep 9 15:34:49 2008 From: sstorari at byte-code.com (Samuele Storari) Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2008 17:34:49 +0200 (CEST) Subject: R: Re: Solar Critique (was Re: Solar Round 3 - Almost ended) In-Reply-To: <48C69645.7070001@nicubunu.ro> Message-ID: <137919636.35561220974489761.JavaMail.root@mail.byte-code.com> Yes, the icons are oxyicons, and, yes we can use echo no prob about it. For the GRUB screen it isn't missing, it is in the SysLinux Splash gallery. So, I will correct and create some layout as martin sayd lookin like the round 2, I prefer that ones, but I think we have to stay to max 14 / 16 colors layout, if i can use more, I'll only happy :D Back to work... Samuele ----- Messaggio originale ----- Da: "Nicu Buculei" A: "Discussions about the artwork included with Fedora, including icons, themes, and wallpapers." Inviato: Marted?, 9 settembre 2008 17:29:09 GMT +01:00 Amsterdam/Berlino/Berna/Roma/Stoccolma/Vienna Oggetto: Re: Solar Critique (was Re: Solar Round 3 - Almost ended) Martin Sourada wrote: > On Tue, 2008-09-09 at 10:30 -0400, M?ir?n Duffy wrote: >> Some feedback on solar thus far: >> >> - Where did the icons in the firstboot splash come from? We should be >> using gnome-icon-theme or Echo icons ideally. However it's not clear to >> me where this icons came from; we can't be using artwork from elsewhere >> without making sure the license allows it and is appropriate for Fedora. >> > I'd guess these are oxygen icons by the look, which should be fine - we > use them as default in KDE and they have good license. But it would make a lot more sense to use Echo or Mist icons, something the majority of our users will really see after the install ends. -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro _______________________________________________ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list at redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list -- Samuele Storari Art Director Byte-Code srl mobile: +39 347 50 798 32 office: +39 02 9840047 http://www.byte-code.com From duffy at fedoraproject.org Tue Sep 9 17:09:35 2008 From: duffy at fedoraproject.org (=?UTF-8?B?TcOhaXLDrW4gRHVmZnk=?=) Date: Tue, 09 Sep 2008 13:09:35 -0400 Subject: R: Re: Solar Round 3 - Almost ended In-Reply-To: <216199063.35291220972876482.JavaMail.root@mail.byte-code.com> References: <216199063.35291220972876482.JavaMail.root@mail.byte-code.com> Message-ID: <48C6ADCF.5010507@fedoraproject.org> Samuele Storari wrote: > Hi Mairin, > > The aurora U see was for all created by me, in no complex mode, as u can see in the source file so u don't have to recreate it cos as I done all by myself it's totally open. > I used the Cloud effect > > http://www.gimpguru.org/Tutorials/SimulatedFog/ > > but I color the cloud, and then I distort the cloud, apply the Screen Mode Blending layer Effect and that's all, i don't think we need any license. > > For the planet as u can see it's all maded by different layer and there aren't part of not open material. > So don't worry, my works it's made right for their purpose, totally free and open source. At least in the round 2 graphic, which i cracked open and played around with extensively, there was indeed an image of a moon in one of the layers. Where did that image come from? ~m From tatadbb at gmail.com Tue Sep 9 15:33:57 2008 From: tatadbb at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Mar=EDa_Leandro?=) Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 11:03:57 +1930 Subject: R: Criteria for theme selection In-Reply-To: <523069575.35451220973786818.JavaMail.root@mail.byte-code.com> References: <48C689D4.60009@fedoraproject.org> <523069575.35451220973786818.JavaMail.root@mail.byte-code.com> Message-ID: <27a6293b0809090833o55c018cdqa6ac56811f79304e@mail.gmail.com> +1 2008/9/10 Samuele Storari > Well > > I think the vote will be totally open to the whole community. > > Why I think that? > Cos the graphic it's made for all, think about art, think about expression, > it comes from the inside need of someone to express to other, to comunicate. > I hope we don't think to elevate us over the other people, we aren't the > keeper of a sort of graphical wisdom, we create for the community, we work > for all them and I think will be the right thing let the community decide. > > Don't forget in first the community have to use what we create, and we have > to hear to the voice of the majority. > > So this is my opinion. > > Free Art - Free World. :D > > Ciao > Samuele > > ----- Messaggio originale ----- > Da: "M?ir?n Duffy" > A: "Discussions about the artwork included with Fedora, including icons, > themes, and wallpapers." > Inviato: Marted?, 9 settembre 2008 16:36:04 GMT +01:00 > Amsterdam/Berlino/Berna/Roma/Stoccolma/Vienna > Oggetto: Criteria for theme selection > > Hi, > > Since our deadline to choose a theme is Sep 21 I would like to make sure > before that point the criteria for selection are clear. > > Our base requirements is that the theme must have all required artwork > needed for round 3. > > We have not yet had a case where more than one theme met this basic > requirement. In case we do have multiple themes that meet this > requirement, we need a fair method to choose which theme is selected as > the default. > > Some ideas: > > - I believe Nicu suggested at one point that the number of people > involved in creating the theme should be a selection factor, as the art > team is a community effort. > > - I think perhaps setting up a vote could also be useful. The vote could > be restricted to currently-active art team contributors and/or it could > be opened to the whole set of Fedora accounts. > > - We could let FESCO decide. > > My suggestion is that we have a vote within the set of active Fedora art > team contributors. The problem is how do we determine who is allowed in > this vote - who is active? > > We could do: > > - anyone who contributed a theme idea or artwork throughout the 3 round > process > - anyone who has contributed a design to the art team (via the design > queue, echo theme, or art theme process) in the past 6 months (the > fedora 9 release period) > - anyone who is in the art group in the account system (i don't think we > have cleaned this out yet though and there are a few inactive accounts > still I think) > > What do you all think? > > ~m > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list > > > -- > Samuele Storari > Art Director > Byte-Code srl > mobile: +39 347 50 798 32 > office: +39 02 9840047 > http://www.byte-code.com > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list > -- tatica Maria Gracia Leandro http://www.tatica.org http://www.iseit.net http://www.latinux.org http://www.latinux.com http://www.fedora-ve.org http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/MariaLeandro LinuxUser= 440285 GPG Public Key: E1CDCC56 "Be yourself... Don't be anyone else" -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From duffy at fedoraproject.org Tue Sep 9 17:20:50 2008 From: duffy at fedoraproject.org (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?M=E1ir=EDn_Duffy?=) Date: Tue, 09 Sep 2008 13:20:50 -0400 Subject: R: Criteria for theme selection In-Reply-To: <27a6293b0809090833o55c018cdqa6ac56811f79304e@mail.gmail.com> References: <48C689D4.60009@fedoraproject.org> <523069575.35451220973786818.JavaMail.root@mail.byte-code.com> <27a6293b0809090833o55c018cdqa6ac56811f79304e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <48C6B072.40708@fedoraproject.org> Mar?a Leandro wrote: > +1 > > 2008/9/10 Samuele Storari I think the vote will be totally open to the whole community. Well, I think with a little over a week to go on the final decision, we should maybe limit to art group members for this release, and plan a larger vote for F11. The reason I say this is because we don't really have time to plan for a Fedora-wide vote, and since there's not much time to wait on people to vote and to get the word out, we won't have a good representation of our base in the vote results. Does that seem fair? ~m From stlwrt at gmail.com Tue Sep 9 17:51:41 2008 From: stlwrt at gmail.com (Pavel Shevchuk) Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2008 20:51:41 +0300 Subject: Solar Critique (was Re: Solar Round 3 - Almost ended) In-Reply-To: <48C6887D.9060101@fedoraproject.org> References: <1140160131.35181220969028789.JavaMail.root@mail.byte-code.com> <48C6887D.9060101@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: On Tue, Sep 9, 2008 at 5:30 PM, M?ir?n Duffy wrote: > - the background of the login window is too busy/distracting. Probably just > a nice dark gradient would look nice although I don't even know if this kind > of theming is possible with the new gdm. Technically, it's possible to create such KDM theme, except userlist part. When i was crafting waves theme i couldn't find a way to make userlist widget background transparent, but probably it's fixed already, or maybe i could hack KDM source a little bit -- http://scwlab.com From mola.mp at gmail.com Tue Sep 9 18:00:23 2008 From: mola.mp at gmail.com (Mola Pahnadayan) Date: Tue, 09 Sep 2008 22:30:23 +0430 Subject: Need a wall paper for Fedora Security Spin In-Reply-To: <48C6139D.40209@redhat.com> References: <48C6139D.40209@redhat.com> Message-ID: <48C6B9B7.7010003@gmail.com> Hi http://molaora.com/data/files/Temp/security_spin_001.jpg http://molaora.com/data/files/Temp/security_spin.jpg Mola ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Huzaifa Sidhpurwala wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Hi All, > I just added a request for a Wall paper for Fedora Security spin, > Just wanted to drop a line to you guys to let you know. > Thanks a lot. > > > - -- > Regards, > Huzaifa Sidhpurwala, RHCE, CCNA (IRC: huzaifas) > Research and Development Lead, > Global Help Desk, Pune > Phone: +91 20 4005 7322 (UTC +5.5) > > GnuPG Fingerprint: > 3A0F DAFB 9279 02ED 273B FFE9 CC70 DCF2 DA5B DAE5 > > Visit the Help Desk portal at : http://helpdesk.corp.redhat.com > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) > Comment: Using GnuPG with Red Hat - http://enigmail.mozdev.org > > iD8DBQFIxhOdzHDc8tpb2uURAslFAKCZ/4R7IyUKM0aaUB9KdnUUuDU4WACdEZzZ > KGf53I8JAKQ4JuLm+Qv4OCQ= > =ObEI > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list > > From tatadbb at gmail.com Tue Sep 9 15:53:20 2008 From: tatadbb at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Mar=EDa_Leandro?=) Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 11:23:20 +1930 Subject: R: Criteria for theme selection In-Reply-To: <48C69A6E.8040502@nicubunu.ro> References: <523069575.35451220973786818.JavaMail.root@mail.byte-code.com> <48C69A6E.8040502@nicubunu.ro> Message-ID: <27a6293b0809090853k5376aac3k506bbb36868160b4@mail.gmail.com> at least 30% or 20% should be a community decision... right? 2008/9/10 Nicu Buculei > Samuele Storari wrote: > >> Well >> >> I think the vote will be totally open to the whole community. >> >> Why I think that? >> Cos the graphic it's made for all, think about art, think about >> expression, it comes from the inside need of someone to express to other, to >> comunicate. >> I hope we don't think to elevate us over the other people, we aren't the >> keeper of a sort of graphical wisdom, we create for the community, we work >> for all them and I think will be the right thing let the community decide. >> > > The trouble is that the large community knows little about usability and > good design. I said it before and I say it again: if we keep a popular vote, > I bet I storm the results if I propose some softcore anime or a half-nude > photo of Angelina Jolie. > > Don't forget in first the community have to use what we create, and we >> have to hear to the voice of the majority. >> > > We usually hear the voice of a loud minority. > > So this is my opinion. >> >> Free Art - Free World. :D >> > > And then let's make all our decisions (about defaults, application choices, > packaging) based on popular vote. > > -- > nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com > Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ > Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org > my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro > > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list > -- tatica Maria Gracia Leandro http://www.tatica.org http://www.iseit.net http://www.latinux.org http://www.latinux.com http://www.fedora-ve.org http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/MariaLeandro LinuxUser= 440285 GPG Public Key: E1CDCC56 "Be yourself... 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URL: From jspaleta at gmail.com Tue Sep 9 23:22:31 2008 From: jspaleta at gmail.com (Jeff Spaleta) Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2008 15:22:31 -0800 Subject: R: Criteria for theme selection In-Reply-To: <27a6293b0809090853k5376aac3k506bbb36868160b4@mail.gmail.com> References: <523069575.35451220973786818.JavaMail.root@mail.byte-code.com> <48C69A6E.8040502@nicubunu.ro> <27a6293b0809090853k5376aac3k506bbb36868160b4@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <604aa7910809091622k3135cbefwc0b58b89a5a6901@mail.gmail.com> 2008/9/9 Mar?a Leandro : > at least 30% or 20% should be a community decision... right? Here's my view, as a Board member. I consider the multiple rounds of discussion over the themes as a prolonged "community" decision. The final artwork decision is a culminating event in a process. Are people encouraged to participate in the earlier stages of that process as part of the art team? if they choose not to participate in the previous rounds do they have the context to make informed decisions at the final stage? Have they earned the right to be a part of the final decision? I'm not sure they do. Everything that gets done in Fedora is done by a subset of a larger community. We don't make it a point to take a community wide poll when the technical bits need to be updated. We put the trust and authority to make decisions into the teams responsible for developing those bits. And I'm not sure we should treat the default art work any differently than we treat gdm or the installer..things which end up making use of the artwork... by opening up the decision making to a popularity contest. -jef"That being said... solar better end up being the theme cuz it makes an awesome tie in to the International Heliophysical Year which is happening now"spaleta From linux.charged at gmail.com Wed Sep 10 02:38:18 2008 From: linux.charged at gmail.com (Junior Tomazelli) Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2008 23:38:18 -0300 Subject: Solar Round 3 - Almost ended In-Reply-To: <48C687A7.8090100@fedoraproject.org> References: <1140160131.35181220969028789.JavaMail.root@mail.byte-code.com> <48C687A7.8090100@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: Congratulations Samuel, our theme is more better then before round. 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URL: From ianweller at gmail.com Wed Sep 10 02:57:18 2008 From: ianweller at gmail.com (Ian Weller) Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2008 21:57:18 -0500 Subject: Criteria for theme selection In-Reply-To: <48C689D4.60009@fedoraproject.org> References: <48C689D4.60009@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <20080910025718.GB31889@gmail.com> On Tue, Sep 09, 2008 at 10:36:04AM -0400, =?ISO-8859-1?Q?M=E1ir=EDn_Duffy_ wrote: > What do you all think? > Flip a coin. (kidding) I don't doubt the existence of at least two of the three remaining themes, and so I'm glad we're talking about this *now* instead of at the last minute ;) I'm personally for a contributor-wide vote on it, using the FAS voting system (go talk to Nigel Jones), because we want to ask the widest audience possible, while still keeping the whole process sane and relatively organized. Or, perhaps even better, take a two-part voting approach; 50% of the vote allocated to current Art Team members (recent contributions, 6 months, yada yada) and 50% for the community. I have no freaking clue how the math for that would work, but I think it would help alleviate both concerns of 1) some of the general public not understanding usability (which I think is bunk, but whatever) and 2) not including the entire community in the process. To say it in the most crass way possible, it's the best solution to get community input, while still showing that we can override it if we really really really want to. It sounds horrible (or at least it does in my mind), but it's the fairest way, IMHO. And whatever it comes down to, it's still going to be really hard for me to choose votes, even if we use Range Voting. 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Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 197 bytes Desc: not available URL: From duffy at fedoraproject.org Wed Sep 10 03:08:45 2008 From: duffy at fedoraproject.org (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?M=E1ir=EDn?= Duffy) Date: Tue, 09 Sep 2008 23:08:45 -0400 Subject: R: Re: Solar Round 3 - Almost ended In-Reply-To: <216199063.35291220972876482.JavaMail.root@mail.byte-code.com> References: <216199063.35291220972876482.JavaMail.root@mail.byte-code.com> Message-ID: <1221016125.6478.3.camel@panda> Hi Samuele, On Tue, 2008-09-09 at 17:07 +0200, Samuele Storari wrote: > For the planet as u can see it's all maded by different layer and there aren't part of not open material. > So don't worry, my works it's made right for their purpose, totally free and open source. Just to be specific, it's this image I would like a link to the source work form: http://i61.photobucket.com/albums/h58/mairinduffy/solar_moon_image-layer2.png?t=1221015993 It's in layer 2 of the XCF. ~m From mclasen at redhat.com Wed Sep 10 03:44:43 2008 From: mclasen at redhat.com (Matthias Clasen) Date: Tue, 09 Sep 2008 23:44:43 -0400 Subject: R: Criteria for theme selection In-Reply-To: <48C6B072.40708@fedoraproject.org> References: <48C689D4.60009@fedoraproject.org> <523069575.35451220973786818.JavaMail.root@mail.byte-code.com> <27a6293b0809090833o55c018cdqa6ac56811f79304e@mail.gmail.com> <48C6B072.40708@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <1221018283.4215.21.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Tue, 2008-09-09 at 13:20 -0400, M?ir?n Duffy wrote: > Mar?a Leandro wrote: > > +1 > > > > 2008/9/10 Samuele Storari > I think the vote will be totally open to the whole community. > > Well, I think with a little over a week to go on the final decision, we > should maybe limit to art group members for this release, and plan a > larger vote for F11. The reason I say this is because we don't really > have time to plan for a Fedora-wide vote, and since there's not much > time to wait on people to vote and to get the word out, we won't have a > good representation of our base in the vote results. > > Does that seem fair? It seems like the right thing, too. I don't think a general vote on the default theme is a reasonable idea at all. Taste is not something that can be decided with simple majority. Voting for the default theme would pretty much devolve into 'which is the coolest looking background when glancing at a bunch of screenshots', which is not at all what a good default theme is about. This forum is the place for qualified and interested people to work on the art that makes up the default theme. It should also be the place where the default theme gets put together. If you want to gain more feedback on the drafts you work on, here is a proposal: next time, package up the remaining candidates in the final round (at that stage they should all be complete enough for that, I guess), and ship them with the beta, maybe with some nice paragraph in the beta release notes pointing at the available candidate themes. Matthias From luya at fedoraproject.org Wed Sep 10 04:39:29 2008 From: luya at fedoraproject.org (Luya Tshimbalanga) Date: Tue, 09 Sep 2008 21:39:29 -0700 Subject: introduction In-Reply-To: <703838.90716.qm@web94407.mail.in2.yahoo.com> References: <703838.90716.qm@web94407.mail.in2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <48C74F81.9040300@fedoraproject.org> amrita mukherjee a ?crit : > Hi, > I am Amrita Mukherjee ,currently pursuing B-tech from Dr. B.C. Roy > Engineering College. I am a member of DGPLUG group and presently doing > some artwork with the help of inkscape. I would be highly delighted to > be a member of this community and contribute some projects. > Welcome to Fedora Artwork team, For the task , you can start working on design services[1]. Since you know how to use Inkscape you can help to contribute to the development of Echo icon theme [2] that also includes instruction to easily publish newly created icon set. Luya References: ----------------- [1] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/DesignService [2] https://fedorahosted.org/echo-icon-theme -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 259 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Wed Sep 10 06:54:25 2008 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 09:54:25 +0300 Subject: Need a wall paper for Fedora Security Spin In-Reply-To: <48C6B9B7.7010003@gmail.com> References: <48C6139D.40209@redhat.com> <48C6B9B7.7010003@gmail.com> Message-ID: <48C76F21.9040301@nicubunu.ro> Mola Pahnadayan wrote: > Hi > http://molaora.com/data/files/Temp/security_spin_001.jpg > http://molaora.com/data/files/Temp/security_spin.jpg Mola, I don't think the text "security spin" from the second image is a good idea, it is in English and not possible to be localized. > Huzaifa Sidhpurwala wrote: >> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >> Hash: SHA1 >> >> Hi All, >> I just added a request for a Wall paper for Fedora Security spin, >> Just wanted to drop a line to you guys to let you know. >> Thanks a lot. -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Wed Sep 10 06:59:34 2008 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 09:59:34 +0300 Subject: R: Criteria for theme selection In-Reply-To: <1221018283.4215.21.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <48C689D4.60009@fedoraproject.org> <523069575.35451220973786818.JavaMail.root@mail.byte-code.com> <27a6293b0809090833o55c018cdqa6ac56811f79304e@mail.gmail.com> <48C6B072.40708@fedoraproject.org> <1221018283.4215.21.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <48C77056.2040505@nicubunu.ro> Matthias Clasen wrote: > > If you want to gain more feedback on the drafts you work on, here is a > proposal: next time, package up the remaining candidates in the final > round (at that stage they should all be complete enough for that, I > guess), and ship them with the beta, maybe with some nice paragraph in > the beta release notes pointing at the available candidate themes. But is not easy to package (and switch at runtime) parts of the theme like GRUB screen or Plymouth and is downright useless to provide alternate package for Anaconda/First run graphics, those are supposed to be seen only once. The only graphic for which it make sense to include as an option is the desktop wallpaper, but that is so easy to change without any packaging, only a copule of mouse clicks. -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Wed Sep 10 07:16:25 2008 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 10:16:25 +0300 Subject: introduction In-Reply-To: <703838.90716.qm@web94407.mail.in2.yahoo.com> References: <703838.90716.qm@web94407.mail.in2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <48C77449.8070205@nicubunu.ro> amrita mukherjee wrote: > Hi, Hi Amrita, I am glad you decided at last to join the list. > I am Amrita Mukherjee ,currently pursuing B-tech from Dr. B.C. Roy > Engineering College. I am a member of DGPLUG group and presently doing > some artwork with the help of inkscape. I would be highly delighted to > be a member of this community and contribute some projects. Since you forgot to introduce your work, let me show the other guys some of your works: http://amrita.dgplug.org/ I am particularly fond of this image, which shows great attention to details and a very skilled hand: http://flickr.com/photos/24964203 at N07/2357520906/ -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From sstorari at byte-code.com Wed Sep 10 08:23:14 2008 From: sstorari at byte-code.com (Samuele Storari) Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 10:23:14 +0200 (CEST) Subject: R: Re: R: Re: Solar Round 3 - Almost ended In-Reply-To: <1153700320.35941221032841806.JavaMail.root@mail.byte-code.com> Message-ID: <542086053.36061221034994960.JavaMail.root@mail.byte-code.com> There're one layers cloned in 4 different layer distorted and opacity changed "coming" from that image: http://flickr.com/photos/sstorari/2845527758/ This photo coming from a mine old shoot, It taked a lot of time to recover it cos for "coming" I mean that I worked on this moon as a file apart than incorporate it in to my graphic and then now I have to recover it. Others? Samuele ----- Messaggio originale ----- Da: "M?ir?n Duffy" A: "Discussions about the artwork included with Fedora, including icons, themes, and wallpapers." Inviato: Marted?, 9 settembre 2008 19:09:35 GMT +01:00 Amsterdam/Berlino/Berna/Roma/Stoccolma/Vienna Oggetto: Re: R: Re: Solar Round 3 - Almost ended Samuele Storari wrote: > Hi Mairin, > > The aurora U see was for all created by me, in no complex mode, as u can see in the source file so u don't have to recreate it cos as I done all by myself it's totally open. > I used the Cloud effect > > http://www.gimpguru.org/Tutorials/SimulatedFog/ > > but I color the cloud, and then I distort the cloud, apply the Screen Mode Blending layer Effect and that's all, i don't think we need any license. > > For the planet as u can see it's all maded by different layer and there aren't part of not open material. > So don't worry, my works it's made right for their purpose, totally free and open source. At least in the round 2 graphic, which i cracked open and played around with extensively, there was indeed an image of a moon in one of the layers. Where did that image come from? ~m _______________________________________________ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list at redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list -- Samuele Storari Art Director Byte-Code srl mobile: +39 347 50 798 32 office: +39 02 9840047 http://www.byte-code.com From sstorari at byte-code.com Wed Sep 10 08:28:16 2008 From: sstorari at byte-code.com (Samuele Storari) Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 10:28:16 +0200 (CEST) Subject: R: Re: introduction In-Reply-To: <48C77449.8070205@nicubunu.ro> Message-ID: <541888814.36091221035296697.JavaMail.root@mail.byte-code.com> Hi and Welcome :D Samuele ----- Messaggio originale ----- Da: "Nicu Buculei" A: "Discussions about the artwork included with Fedora, including icons, themes, and wallpapers." Inviato: Mercoled?, 10 settembre 2008 9:16:25 GMT +01:00 Amsterdam/Berlino/Berna/Roma/Stoccolma/Vienna Oggetto: Re: introduction amrita mukherjee wrote: > Hi, Hi Amrita, I am glad you decided at last to join the list. > I am Amrita Mukherjee ,currently pursuing B-tech from Dr. B.C. Roy > Engineering College. I am a member of DGPLUG group and presently doing > some artwork with the help of inkscape. I would be highly delighted to > be a member of this community and contribute some projects. Since you forgot to introduce your work, let me show the other guys some of your works: http://amrita.dgplug.org/ I am particularly fond of this image, which shows great attention to details and a very skilled hand: http://flickr.com/photos/24964203 at N07/2357520906/ -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro _______________________________________________ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list at redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list -- Samuele Storari Art Director Byte-Code srl mobile: +39 347 50 798 32 office: +39 02 9840047 http://www.byte-code.com From duffy at fedoraproject.org Wed Sep 10 15:12:13 2008 From: duffy at fedoraproject.org (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?M=E1ir=EDn_Duffy?=) Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 11:12:13 -0400 Subject: Last-minute request - any packagers for wallpapers in beta? Message-ID: <48C7E3CD.4070209@fedoraproject.org> Hey, Jesse told me that if we could get a package put together with the wallpapers that are in the running so far it could make the Beta. Here are the wallpapers I'd propose packaging up: gears -http://fedoraproject.org/w/uploads/b/b6/Gears-r2_goldengears.png -http://fedoraproject.org/w/uploads/0/0c/Gears-r2_largegoldengear.png solar -http://fedoraproject.org/w/uploads/thumb/4/45/Solar_2048x1536_SunRiseTime.png/800px-Solar_2048x1536_SunRiseTime.png -http://fedoraproject.org/w/uploads/thumb/7/77/Solar_2048x1536_DayTime.png/800px-Solar_2048x1536_DayTime.png -http://fedoraproject.org/w/uploads/thumb/c/c9/Solar_2048x1536_SunSetTime.png/800px-Solar_2048x1536_SunSetTime.png -http://fedoraproject.org/w/uploads/thumb/7/7e/Solar_2048x1536_NightTime.png/800px-Solar_2048x1536_NightTime.png invinxble -http://fedoraproject.org/w/uploads/a/aa/InvinXible_round2_640x404.jpg neon -http://fedoraproject.org/w/uploads/5/5a/Neontentacles800.png I wouldn't pick any as the default but package them such that they appear in the backgrounds capplet. ~m From sstorari at byte-code.com Wed Sep 10 15:22:41 2008 From: sstorari at byte-code.com (Samuele Storari) Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 17:22:41 +0200 (CEST) Subject: R: Last-minute request - any packagers for wallpapers in beta? In-Reply-To: <48C7E3CD.4070209@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <836399464.37911221060161793.JavaMail.root@mail.byte-code.com> Hi mairin, If u give me 10 minute i will upload a larger image of invinXble. Can I? Thanks Samuele ----- Messaggio originale ----- Da: "M?ir?n Duffy" A: "Discussions about the artwork included with Fedora, including icons, themes, and wallpapers." Cc: "Jesse Keating" Inviato: Mercoled?, 10 settembre 2008 17:12:13 GMT +01:00 Amsterdam/Berlino/Berna/Roma/Stoccolma/Vienna Oggetto: Last-minute request - any packagers for wallpapers in beta? Hey, Jesse told me that if we could get a package put together with the wallpapers that are in the running so far it could make the Beta. Here are the wallpapers I'd propose packaging up: gears -http://fedoraproject.org/w/uploads/b/b6/Gears-r2_goldengears.png -http://fedoraproject.org/w/uploads/0/0c/Gears-r2_largegoldengear.png solar -http://fedoraproject.org/w/uploads/thumb/4/45/Solar_2048x1536_SunRiseTime.png/800px-Solar_2048x1536_SunRiseTime.png -http://fedoraproject.org/w/uploads/thumb/7/77/Solar_2048x1536_DayTime.png/800px-Solar_2048x1536_DayTime.png -http://fedoraproject.org/w/uploads/thumb/c/c9/Solar_2048x1536_SunSetTime.png/800px-Solar_2048x1536_SunSetTime.png -http://fedoraproject.org/w/uploads/thumb/7/7e/Solar_2048x1536_NightTime.png/800px-Solar_2048x1536_NightTime.png invinxble -http://fedoraproject.org/w/uploads/a/aa/InvinXible_round2_640x404.jpg neon -http://fedoraproject.org/w/uploads/5/5a/Neontentacles800.png I wouldn't pick any as the default but package them such that they appear in the backgrounds capplet. ~m _______________________________________________ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list at redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list -- Samuele Storari Art Director Byte-Code srl mobile: +39 347 50 798 32 office: +39 02 9840047 http://www.byte-code.com From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Wed Sep 10 15:24:14 2008 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 18:24:14 +0300 Subject: Last-minute request - any packagers for wallpapers in beta? In-Reply-To: <48C7E3CD.4070209@fedoraproject.org> References: <48C7E3CD.4070209@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <48C7E69E.3050703@nicubunu.ro> M?ir?n Duffy wrote: > > Jesse told me that if we could get a package put together with the > wallpapers that are in the running so far it could make the Beta. > > Here are the wallpapers I'd propose packaging up: Aren't those (all of them, but especially InvinXible) too small in resolution for shipping? Do we have enough time (1-2 days?) to request the authors to upload a larger version? -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From duffy at fedoraproject.org Wed Sep 10 15:33:43 2008 From: duffy at fedoraproject.org (=?UTF-8?B?TcOhaXLDrW4gRHVmZnk=?=) Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 11:33:43 -0400 Subject: Last-minute request - any packagers for wallpapers in beta? In-Reply-To: <48C7E69E.3050703@nicubunu.ro> References: <48C7E3CD.4070209@fedoraproject.org> <48C7E69E.3050703@nicubunu.ro> Message-ID: <48C7E8D7.4070000@fedoraproject.org> Nicu Buculei wrote: > M?ir?n Duffy wrote: >> >> Jesse told me that if we could get a package put together with the >> wallpapers that are in the running so far it could make the Beta. >> >> Here are the wallpapers I'd propose packaging up: > > Aren't those (all of them, but especially InvinXible) too small in > resolution for shipping? > Do we have enough time (1-2 days?) to request the authors to upload a > larger version? Besides invixble they are all at least 800x which should be sufficient I think for someone to evaluate if they like the wallpaper or not, no? ~m From duffy at fedoraproject.org Wed Sep 10 15:34:03 2008 From: duffy at fedoraproject.org (=?UTF-8?B?TcOhaXLDrW4gRHVmZnk=?=) Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 11:34:03 -0400 Subject: R: Last-minute request - any packagers for wallpapers in beta? In-Reply-To: <836399464.37911221060161793.JavaMail.root@mail.byte-code.com> References: <836399464.37911221060161793.JavaMail.root@mail.byte-code.com> Message-ID: <48C7E8EB.5000202@fedoraproject.org> Samuele Storari wrote: > Hi mairin, > > If u give me 10 minute i will upload a larger image of invinXble. > > Can I? Please do although no one thus far has volunteered to do the packaging work. ~m From sstorari at byte-code.com Wed Sep 10 15:36:20 2008 From: sstorari at byte-code.com (Samuele Storari) Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 17:36:20 +0200 (CEST) Subject: R: Re: R: Last-minute request - any packagers for wallpapers in beta? In-Reply-To: <48C7E8EB.5000202@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <2025945623.38111221060980469.JavaMail.root@mail.byte-code.com> Here it is: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Image:Invinxible_round3_1900x1200.png :D Samuele ----- Messaggio originale ----- Da: "M?ir?n Duffy" A: "Discussions about the artwork included with Fedora, including icons, themes, and wallpapers." Inviato: Mercoled?, 10 settembre 2008 17:34:03 GMT +01:00 Amsterdam/Berlino/Berna/Roma/Stoccolma/Vienna Oggetto: Re: R: Last-minute request - any packagers for wallpapers in beta? Samuele Storari wrote: > Hi mairin, > > If u give me 10 minute i will upload a larger image of invinXble. > > Can I? Please do although no one thus far has volunteered to do the packaging work. ~m _______________________________________________ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list at redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list -- Samuele Storari Art Director Byte-Code srl mobile: +39 347 50 798 32 office: +39 02 9840047 http://www.byte-code.com From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Wed Sep 10 15:43:07 2008 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 21:13:07 +0530 Subject: R: Last-minute request - any packagers for wallpapers in beta? In-Reply-To: <48C7E8EB.5000202@fedoraproject.org> References: <836399464.37911221060161793.JavaMail.root@mail.byte-code.com> <48C7E8EB.5000202@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <48C7EB0B.3060009@fedoraproject.org> M?ir?n Duffy wrote: > Samuele Storari wrote: >> Hi mairin, >> >> If u give me 10 minute i will upload a larger image of invinXble. >> >> Can I? > > Please do although no one thus far has volunteered to do the packaging > work. Is this supposed to be a new package or a modifying of a existing one? If so, which one? Rahul From duffy at fedoraproject.org Wed Sep 10 15:46:39 2008 From: duffy at fedoraproject.org (=?UTF-8?B?TcOhaXLDrW4gRHVmZnk=?=) Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 11:46:39 -0400 Subject: R: Last-minute request - any packagers for wallpapers in beta? In-Reply-To: <48C7EB0B.3060009@fedoraproject.org> References: <836399464.37911221060161793.JavaMail.root@mail.byte-code.com> <48C7E8EB.5000202@fedoraproject.org> <48C7EB0B.3060009@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <48C7EBDF.2000103@fedoraproject.org> Rahul Sundaram wrote: > M?ir?n Duffy wrote: >> Samuele Storari wrote: >>> Hi mairin, >>> >>> If u give me 10 minute i will upload a larger image of invinXble. >>> >>> Can I? >> >> Please do although no one thus far has volunteered to do the packaging >> work. > > Is this supposed to be a new package or a modifying of a existing one? > If so, which one? Since I know hardly anything about packaging backgrounds, unfortunately, I've no idea the answer :( ~m From martin.sourada at gmail.com Wed Sep 10 16:27:48 2008 From: martin.sourada at gmail.com (Martin Sourada) Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 18:27:48 +0200 Subject: Last-minute request - any packagers for wallpapers in beta? In-Reply-To: <48C7E3CD.4070209@fedoraproject.org> References: <48C7E3CD.4070209@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <1221064068.8922.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Wed, 2008-09-10 at 11:12 -0400, M?ir?n Duffy wrote: > Hey, > > Jesse told me that if we could get a package put together with the > wallpapers that are in the running so far it could make the Beta. > > Here are the wallpapers I'd propose packaging up: > > gears > -http://fedoraproject.org/w/uploads/b/b6/Gears-r2_goldengears.png > -http://fedoraproject.org/w/uploads/0/0c/Gears-r2_largegoldengear.png > > solar > -http://fedoraproject.org/w/uploads/thumb/4/45/Solar_2048x1536_SunRiseTime.png/800px-Solar_2048x1536_SunRiseTime.png > -http://fedoraproject.org/w/uploads/thumb/7/77/Solar_2048x1536_DayTime.png/800px-Solar_2048x1536_DayTime.png > -http://fedoraproject.org/w/uploads/thumb/c/c9/Solar_2048x1536_SunSetTime.png/800px-Solar_2048x1536_SunSetTime.png > -http://fedoraproject.org/w/uploads/thumb/7/7e/Solar_2048x1536_NightTime.png/800px-Solar_2048x1536_NightTime.png > > invinxble > -http://fedoraproject.org/w/uploads/a/aa/InvinXible_round2_640x404.jpg > > neon > -http://fedoraproject.org/w/uploads/5/5a/Neontentacles800.png > > I wouldn't pick any as the default but package them such that they > appear in the backgrounds capplet. > > ~m > Hi, I know nothing about packaging backgrounds either, but I am willing to put them together today (is that enough?). I'd suggest to create one package per theme a new one - which means we'd need to also do four (4) package reviews :-p What's the preferred name for the packages? wallpapers-[theme-name-in-small-caps] fedora-wallpapers-[theme-name-in-small-caps] wallpaper-extras-[theme-name-in-small-caps] Martin From martin.sourada at gmail.com Wed Sep 10 17:26:49 2008 From: martin.sourada at gmail.com (Martin Sourada) Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 19:26:49 +0200 Subject: R: Re: R: Last-minute request - any packagers for wallpapers in beta? In-Reply-To: <2025945623.38111221060980469.JavaMail.root@mail.byte-code.com> References: <2025945623.38111221060980469.JavaMail.root@mail.byte-code.com> Message-ID: <1221067610.3086.2.camel@pc-notebook> On Wed, 2008-09-10 at 17:36 +0200, Samuele Storari wrote: > Here it is: > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Image:Invinxible_round3_1900x1200.png > > :D > > Samuele Thanks. One thing though... This is no ordinary size... The most used ratios are 16:10, 4:3 and sometimes 5:4 (1280x1024)... Can you render one of those, or should I crop it myself in gimp? Martin -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 197 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From martin.sourada at gmail.com Wed Sep 10 18:22:42 2008 From: martin.sourada at gmail.com (Martin Sourada) Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 20:22:42 +0200 Subject: Last-minute request - any packagers for wallpapers in beta? In-Reply-To: <1221064068.8922.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <48C7E3CD.4070209@fedoraproject.org> <1221064068.8922.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1221070962.3086.8.camel@pc-notebook> On Wed, 2008-09-10 at 18:27 +0200, Martin Sourada wrote: > Hi, > > I know nothing about packaging backgrounds either, but I am willing to > put them together today (is that enough?). I'd suggest to create one > package per theme a new one - which means we'd need to also do four (4) > package reviews :-p > > What's the preferred name for the packages? > > wallpapers-[theme-name-in-small-caps] > fedora-wallpapers-[theme-name-in-small-caps] > wallpaper-extras-[theme-name-in-small-caps] > > Martin > Ok, I started working on them and I've already done Solar (include 4:3 and 16:9 wallpapers, also with daylight changes) and Gears (the two wide-screen wallpapers Mo referenced). I suppose all the wallpapers will be licensed under CC-BY-SA? To keep with naming scheme put by fedorainfinity-backgrounds I named the packages solar-backgrounds and gears-backgrounds. Any objections? I'll keep you up-to date and submit rpm reviews as soon as I am done. Martin -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 197 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From duffy at fedoraproject.org Wed Sep 10 18:38:01 2008 From: duffy at fedoraproject.org (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?M=E1ir=EDn_Duffy?=) Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 14:38:01 -0400 Subject: Last-minute request - any packagers for wallpapers in beta? In-Reply-To: <1221070962.3086.8.camel@pc-notebook> References: <48C7E3CD.4070209@fedoraproject.org> <1221064068.8922.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1221070962.3086.8.camel@pc-notebook> Message-ID: <48C81409.8030104@fedoraproject.org> Martin Sourada wrote: > On Wed, 2008-09-10 at 18:27 +0200, Martin Sourada wrote: >> Hi, >> >> I know nothing about packaging backgrounds either, but I am willing to >> put them together today (is that enough?). I'd suggest to create one >> package per theme a new one - which means we'd need to also do four (4) >> package reviews :-p >> >> What's the preferred name for the packages? >> >> wallpapers-[theme-name-in-small-caps] >> fedora-wallpapers-[theme-name-in-small-caps] >> wallpaper-extras-[theme-name-in-small-caps] >> >> Martin >> > Ok, I started working on them and I've already done Solar (include 4:3 > and 16:9 wallpapers, also with daylight changes) and Gears (the two > wide-screen wallpapers Mo referenced). I suppose all the wallpapers will > be licensed under CC-BY-SA? CC-BY-SA is fine for Gears I'm sure. > > To keep with naming scheme put by fedorainfinity-backgrounds I named the > packages solar-backgrounds and gears-backgrounds. > > Any objections? > > I'll keep you up-to date and submit rpm reviews as soon as I am done. Sounds good. I think you need to modify or add an xml file or something to get them to appear in the capplet, no? ~m From stlwrt at gmail.com Wed Sep 10 19:27:17 2008 From: stlwrt at gmail.com (Pavel Shevchuk) Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 22:27:17 +0300 Subject: R: Criteria for theme selection In-Reply-To: <523069575.35451220973786818.JavaMail.root@mail.byte-code.com> References: <48C689D4.60009@fedoraproject.org> <523069575.35451220973786818.JavaMail.root@mail.byte-code.com> Message-ID: Sorry for off topic, but could you please reconfigure your mail client to use traditional Re: in subject instead of just R:? It breaks threading in GMail (if not everything else) and it's very hard to follow discussion On Tue, Sep 9, 2008 at 6:23 PM, Samuele Storari wrote: > Well > > I think the vote will be totally open to the whole community. > > Why I think that? > Cos the graphic it's made for all, think about art, think about expression, it comes from the inside need of someone to express to other, to comunicate. > I hope we don't think to elevate us over the other people, we aren't the keeper of a sort of graphical wisdom, we create for the community, we work for all them and I think will be the right thing let the community decide. > > Don't forget in first the community have to use what we create, and we have to hear to the voice of the majority. > > So this is my opinion. > > Free Art - Free World. :D > > Ciao > Samuele > > ----- Messaggio originale ----- > Da: "M?ir?n Duffy" > A: "Discussions about the artwork included with Fedora, including icons, themes, and wallpapers." > Inviato: Marted?, 9 settembre 2008 16:36:04 GMT +01:00 Amsterdam/Berlino/Berna/Roma/Stoccolma/Vienna > Oggetto: Criteria for theme selection > > Hi, > > Since our deadline to choose a theme is Sep 21 I would like to make sure > before that point the criteria for selection are clear. > > Our base requirements is that the theme must have all required artwork > needed for round 3. > > We have not yet had a case where more than one theme met this basic > requirement. In case we do have multiple themes that meet this > requirement, we need a fair method to choose which theme is selected as > the default. > > Some ideas: > > - I believe Nicu suggested at one point that the number of people > involved in creating the theme should be a selection factor, as the art > team is a community effort. > > - I think perhaps setting up a vote could also be useful. The vote could > be restricted to currently-active art team contributors and/or it could > be opened to the whole set of Fedora accounts. > > - We could let FESCO decide. > > My suggestion is that we have a vote within the set of active Fedora art > team contributors. The problem is how do we determine who is allowed in > this vote - who is active? > > We could do: > > - anyone who contributed a theme idea or artwork throughout the 3 round > process > - anyone who has contributed a design to the art team (via the design > queue, echo theme, or art theme process) in the past 6 months (the > fedora 9 release period) > - anyone who is in the art group in the account system (i don't think we > have cleaned this out yet though and there are a few inactive accounts > still I think) > > What do you all think? > > ~m > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list > > > -- > Samuele Storari > Art Director > Byte-Code srl > mobile: +39 347 50 798 32 > office: +39 02 9840047 > http://www.byte-code.com > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list > -- http://scwlab.com From ivazqueznet at gmail.com Wed Sep 10 19:47:16 2008 From: ivazqueznet at gmail.com (Ignacio Vazquez-Abrams) Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 15:47:16 -0400 Subject: Last-minute request - any packagers for wallpapers in beta? In-Reply-To: <1221070962.3086.8.camel@pc-notebook> References: <48C7E3CD.4070209@fedoraproject.org> <1221064068.8922.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1221070962.3086.8.camel@pc-notebook> Message-ID: <1221076036.27183.25.camel@ignacio.lan> On Wed, 2008-09-10 at 20:22 +0200, Martin Sourada wrote: > To keep with naming scheme put by fedorainfinity-backgrounds I named the > packages solar-backgrounds and gears-backgrounds. > > Any objections? Do we want them in separate packages, or would it be better to just have a single fedora10beta-backgrounds package? -- Ignacio Vazquez-Abrams PLEASE don't CC me; I'm already subscribed -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Packages prepared, review requests submitted: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=461818 https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=461819 https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=461820 https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=461821 Hope someone will review it soon (if we want in in beta)... Thanks, Martin -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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How did you distort the cloud in the starburst formation? The tutorial does not cover this, only creating the cloud. I spent quite some time attempting this on my own and could not reproduce it. I'm not asking about the clouds - those are obviously generated by a clouds plugin either in photoshop or gimp - I am wondering about the starburst effect/distortion. I'd like to be able to reproduce it. Here's some examples from your XCFs to show exactly what I mean: From Solar_gimp_1900x1200.xcf.bz2, marked as Layer 1: http://i61.photobucket.com/albums/h58/mairinduffy/starburst1.png From Solar_1280x1024.xcf.bz2, marked as "Night Flare": http://i61.photobucket.com/albums/h58/mairinduffy/starburst2.png Can you teach me how to achieve this effect? > There're one layers cloned in 4 different layer distorted and opacity changed "coming" from that image: > > http://flickr.com/photos/sstorari/2845527758/ > > This photo coming from a mine old shoot, It taked a lot of time to recover it cos for "coming" I mean that I worked on this moon as a file apart than incorporate it in to my graphic and then now I have to recover it. I was surprised to see that you didn't mention this photo earlier, only uploaded it to your account today, and that it has no EXIF data. What kind of equipment did you use to take it? It's quite an impressive photo. ~m From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Thu Sep 11 06:02:32 2008 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2008 09:02:32 +0300 Subject: R: Re: R: Last-minute request - any packagers for wallpapers in beta? In-Reply-To: <1221067610.3086.2.camel@pc-notebook> References: <2025945623.38111221060980469.JavaMail.root@mail.byte-code.com> <1221067610.3086.2.camel@pc-notebook> Message-ID: <48C8B478.2060501@nicubunu.ro> Martin Sourada wrote: > On Wed, 2008-09-10 at 17:36 +0200, Samuele Storari wrote: >> Here it is: >> >> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Image:Invinxible_round3_1900x1200.png > > Thanks. One thing though... This is no ordinary size... The most used > ratios are 16:10, 4:3 and sometimes 5:4 (1280x1024)... Can you render > one of those, or should I crop it myself in gimp? Yeah, Samuele was wrong with 20 pixels, the correct size for large wide screen is 1920x1200. -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From mairin at redhat.com Wed Sep 10 17:00:10 2008 From: mairin at redhat.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?M=E1ir=EDn_Duffy?=) Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 13:00:10 -0400 Subject: Four F's designs Message-ID: <48C7FD1A.8040103@redhat.com> Hi, Attached is a sketch of some four f's icon ideas. In order, first, friends, and features. Not sure if the flag really signifies first though. :/ For features was thinking of a gear... haven't done that yet. ~m -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Some comments: * the 16x16 is not symmetric, which makes it looks a little bit strange * on the top of the front face in 256x256, the backgrounds leaks in, please fix that * I don't like the border in 256x256, could you do it traditionally with duplicating the shield, putting it below the actual shield and setting border to 1.5-2px with ~0.3 opacity and dark orange/brown colour? * Generally, I think the border should have been dark orange/brown, not metallic * Something feels a little bit strange about the shadow for me, could you try adding it more bellow the icon than behind it? Some details might be good ;-) Martin PS: IIRC, this is the last icon for System -> Administration in queue, so next we can move to https://fedorahosted.org/echo-icon-theme/wiki/ToDo/BaseSet -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Choose as center of distortion the left side of ur img using the coordinates below in the window of the effect. Ok now U have to do 2 things. First apply the Screen Blending Mode use an 80 / 60 % opacity. Than Apply an Opacity Mask to ur Cloud - Galaxy coloured - level. (Little Trick: U can for other works use the cloud effect on the Mask and obtain some new kind of look.) Ok there u are. Feel free to let ur immagination and creativity running free to color the mask. Distort the Aurora using the Transform tool, everyone of the 4 u have will work, tryin on and on will be the best to get a good lookin effect. And That's It! U've got the Aurora. Everytime u will do it by zero the effect will change cos the Cloud Effect it's an randomic Algorithm and the effect change by the mask u apply to it and the color of the background were u put, and so on... About the moon this is not the original one file, cos as I said before I have to recover it. And u don't need to take a look in the EXIF data to understand that a square Photo it's not a basic photo :D. I've taked the original one a couple of year ago with my Canon 300D using a 600mm like this: http://www.monclick.it/schede/canon/2534A003/ef-600mm-f4-0-l-usm-is.htm than the photo was worked up... and reworked again, and again. So I extract it yesterday, again ( I really want u understand this :D), from one of my file and uploaded it. New File? Yes, Old Image? Yes. So what's the prob? I worked on this moon with a lot of stuff like the Blur / Sharpen Tool, and the Dodge / Burn Tool but I hope U don't need a tutorial for these if I'm Wrong i will provide it too soon. So, please, take my good willin', my good intentions and don't doubt about everything I do. I start work in the open source sector and lookin to my colleagues I want just to give some help and share my skill too, anything else. Cheers :D Samuele ----- Messaggio originale ----- Da: "Mairin Duffy" A: "Discussions about the artwork included with Fedora, including icons, themes, and wallpapers." Inviato: Gioved?, 11 settembre 2008 4:25:34 GMT +01:00 Amsterdam/Berlino/Berna/Roma/Stoccolma/Vienna Oggetto: Re: R: Re: Solar Round 3 - Almost ended Hi Samuele, Samuele Storari wrote: > The aurora U see was for all created by me, in no complex mode, as u can see in the source file so u don't have to recreate it cos as I done all by myself it's totally open. > I used the Cloud effect > > http://www.gimpguru.org/Tutorials/SimulatedFog/ > but I color the cloud, and then I distort the cloud, apply the Screen Mode Blending layer Effect and that's all, i don't think we need any license. > I thought that you created the original version of the artwork in Photoshop and converted to XCF afterwards. How did you distort the cloud in the starburst formation? The tutorial does not cover this, only creating the cloud. I spent quite some time attempting this on my own and could not reproduce it. I'm not asking about the clouds - those are obviously generated by a clouds plugin either in photoshop or gimp - I am wondering about the starburst effect/distortion. I'd like to be able to reproduce it. Here's some examples from your XCFs to show exactly what I mean: From Solar_gimp_1900x1200.xcf.bz2, marked as Layer 1: http://i61.photobucket.com/albums/h58/mairinduffy/starburst1.png From Solar_1280x1024.xcf.bz2, marked as "Night Flare": http://i61.photobucket.com/albums/h58/mairinduffy/starburst2.png Can you teach me how to achieve this effect? > There're one layers cloned in 4 different layer distorted and opacity changed "coming" from that image: > > http://flickr.com/photos/sstorari/2845527758/ > > This photo coming from a mine old shoot, It taked a lot of time to recover it cos for "coming" I mean that I worked on this moon as a file apart than incorporate it in to my graphic and then now I have to recover it. I was surprised to see that you didn't mention this photo earlier, only uploaded it to your account today, and that it has no EXIF data. What kind of equipment did you use to take it? It's quite an impressive photo. ~m _______________________________________________ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list at redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list -- Samuele Storari Art Director Byte-Code srl mobile: +39 347 50 798 32 office: +39 02 9840047 http://www.byte-code.com From sstorari at byte-code.com Thu Sep 11 08:43:55 2008 From: sstorari at byte-code.com (Samuele Storari) Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2008 10:43:55 +0200 (CEST) Subject: R: Re: R: Re: R: Last-minute request - any packagers for wallpapers in beta? In-Reply-To: <48C8B478.2060501@nicubunu.ro> Message-ID: <1234043981.39311221122635042.JavaMail.root@mail.byte-code.com> Ouch! :O My Fault... I will correct it soon. Samuele ----- Messaggio originale ----- Da: "Nicu Buculei" A: "Discussions about the artwork included with Fedora, including icons, themes, and wallpapers." Inviato: Gioved?, 11 settembre 2008 8:02:32 GMT +01:00 Amsterdam/Berlino/Berna/Roma/Stoccolma/Vienna Oggetto: Re: R: Re: R: Last-minute request - any packagers for wallpapers in beta? Martin Sourada wrote: > On Wed, 2008-09-10 at 17:36 +0200, Samuele Storari wrote: >> Here it is: >> >> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Image:Invinxible_round3_1900x1200.png > > Thanks. One thing though... This is no ordinary size... The most used > ratios are 16:10, 4:3 and sometimes 5:4 (1280x1024)... Can you render > one of those, or should I crop it myself in gimp? Yeah, Samuele was wrong with 20 pixels, the correct size for large wide screen is 1920x1200. -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro _______________________________________________ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list at redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list -- Samuele Storari Art Director Byte-Code srl mobile: +39 347 50 798 32 office: +39 02 9840047 http://www.byte-code.com From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Thu Sep 11 08:49:46 2008 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2008 11:49:46 +0300 Subject: Four F's designs In-Reply-To: <48C7FD1A.8040103@redhat.com> References: <48C7FD1A.8040103@redhat.com> Message-ID: <48C8DBAA.9@nicubunu.ro> M?ir?n Duffy wrote: > Hi, > > Attached is a sketch of some four f's icon ideas. In order, first, > friends, and features. ^^^^^^^^ Me thinks that this is "freedom" > Not sure if the flag really signifies first though. :/ > > For features was thinking of a gear... haven't done that yet. Maybe like the attached. -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: 4f-features.png Type: image/png Size: 2790 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Some comments: > * the 16x16 is not symmetric, which makes it looks a little bit > strange > Should be fixed. > * on the top of the front face in 256x256, the backgrounds leaks > in, please fix that > Fixed > * I don't like the border in 256x256, could you do it > traditionally with duplicating the shield, putting it below the > actual shield and setting border to 1.5-2px with ~0.3 opacity > and dark orange/brown colour? > Choosing brown instead of orange seems to be a good fit. > * Generally, I think the border should have been dark > orange/brown, not metallic > Done, set to brown. > * Something feels a little bit strange about the shadow for me, > could you try adding it more bellow the icon than behind it? > > Found that shadow was sandwiched between outline and inline drawing. > Some details might be good ;-) > Added echo brand. > PS: IIRC, this is the last icon for System -> Administration in queue, > so next we can move to > https://fedorahosted.org/echo-icon-theme/wiki/ToDo/BaseSet > Good hear. echo 0.3.3 should be released for both Fedora 8 and 9. 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I think you can add the circle also to some smaller sizes. -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From martin.sourada at gmail.com Thu Sep 11 11:01:54 2008 From: martin.sourada at gmail.com (Martin Sourada) Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2008 13:01:54 +0200 Subject: [Echo] New system-root-password icon set draft In-Reply-To: <48C8E40C.6010609@fedoraproject.org> References: <48C8CD67.2010209@fedoraproject.org> <1221121671.3086.31.camel@pc-notebook> <48C8E40C.6010609@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <1221130914.3086.36.camel@pc-notebook> On Thu, 2008-09-11 at 02:25 -0700, Luya Tshimbalanga wrote: > Martin Sourada a ?crit : > > > > > > Good. Some comments: > > * the 16x16 is not symmetric, which makes it looks a little bit > > strange > > > Should be fixed. Hm.. does not seems so... the left side is straight up, while on the right side there is a "cut" -> you should edit the left side. Other than that, I also think the same as nicu - the current colouring works better and the circle would look good in smaller sizes as well. + I still feel the shadow should be more bellow the icon than it is now - i.e. move it a little down, or the icon a little up, that should fix it. > Good hear. echo 0.3.3 should be released for both Fedora 8 and 9. > Yup, I'll handle it once you finish this icon (and I upload the authentication one...). > Luya > > Reference: > -------------- > http://luya.fedorapeople.org/echo/status/system-root-password.svg Martin -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I was curious about how you produced the aurora effect for my own curiosity because I tried to do it on my own and couldn't figure it out. With the photos, I unfortunately will question every photo used in any artwork submitted here, and there is a notice to that effect on the main Artwork page in the wiki. I know it might seem as if I'm singling you out and I apologize for that, but no one else used photos in their artwork, only vectors. It's really important that the work we create for Fedora is as free and open as possible and without proper documentation of where things came from, it is extremely difficult to be confident in our licensing. We do license audits of the code in Fedora too and they are even more strict. We have had some history of folks using artwork licensing that was not appropriate (some of the photos you used in invixible are an example) so I think we audit these licenses with good reason. ~m From luya at fedoraproject.org Thu Sep 11 09:20:17 2008 From: luya at fedoraproject.org (Luya Tshimbalanga) Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2008 02:20:17 -0700 Subject: [Echo] New system-root-password icon set draft In-Reply-To: <1221121671.3086.31.camel@pc-notebook> References: <48C8CD67.2010209@fedoraproject.org> <1221121671.3086.31.camel@pc-notebook> Message-ID: <48C8E2D1.6060502@fedoraproject.org> Martin Sourada a ?crit : > > > Good. Some comments: > * the 16x16 is not symmetric, which makes it looks a little bit > strange > Should be fixed. > * on the top of the front face in 256x256, the backgrounds leaks > in, please fix that > Fixed > * I don't like the border in 256x256, could you do it > traditionally with duplicating the shield, putting it below the > actual shield and setting border to 1.5-2px with ~0.3 opacity > and dark orange/brown colour? > Choosing brown instead of orange seems to be a good fit. > * Generally, I think the border should have been dark > orange/brown, not metallic > Done, set to brown. > * Something feels a little bit strange about the shadow for me, > could you try adding it more bellow the icon than behind it? > > Found that shadow was sandwiched between outline and inline drawing. > Some details might be good ;-) > Added echo brand. > PS: IIRC, this is the last icon for System -> Administration in queue, > so next we can move to > https://fedorahosted.org/echo-icon-theme/wiki/ToDo/BaseSet > Good hear. echo 0.3.3 should be released for both Fedora 8 and 9. Luya -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: system-root-password.png Type: image/png Size: 46472 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: system-root-password.svg Type: image/svg+xml Size: 60819 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 259 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From stickster at gmail.com Thu Sep 11 13:54:48 2008 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2008 13:54:48 +0000 Subject: R: Re: R: Re: Solar Round 3 - Almost ended In-Reply-To: <48C90B38.8060903@fedoraproject.org> References: <1080680121.39281221122542517.JavaMail.root@mail.byte-code.com> <48C90B38.8060903@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <1221141288.14588.176.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Thu, 2008-09-11 at 08:12 -0400, Mairin Duffy wrote: > Hi Samuele, > > Thanks for the tutorial, I will give it a try! > > Samuele Storari wrote: > > So, please, take my good willin', my good intentions and don't doubt about everything I do. I start work in the open source sector and lookin to my colleagues I want just to give some help and share my skill too, anything else. > Oh please don't misunderstand me. I was curious about how you produced > the aurora effect for my own curiosity because I tried to do it on my > own and couldn't figure it out. > > With the photos, I unfortunately will question every photo used in any > artwork submitted here, and there is a notice to that effect on the main > Artwork page in the wiki. I know it might seem as if I'm singling you > out and I apologize for that, but no one else used photos in their > artwork, only vectors. It's really important that the work we create for > Fedora is as free and open as possible and without proper documentation > of where things came from, it is extremely difficult to be confident in > our licensing. We do license audits of the code in Fedora too and they > are even more strict. Tom Callaway really appreciates the fact that the Artwork team works hard on making sure their licensing is clear and correct. He has been auditing every one of the over 10,000 software packages we have in Fedora, and it's been a *LOT* of work. > We have had some history of folks using artwork licensing that was not > appropriate (some of the photos you used in invixible are an example) so > I think we audit these licenses with good reason. Because Fedora is meant to be 100% free and redistributable by anyone, forever, we have to make sure that everything that goes into it has a clear licensing history. We wouldn't want to pass anything on to our community of users that might have some legal tangles for them. Samuele, thanks for bearing with us as we work through this. These processes are not meant to be offensive in any way. This is a burden that we bear as a completely free and open source project, and we are grateful that people like you step up to share their work with us. In doing that, you also benefit from understanding how a free (as in freedom) software project works. Thanks again. -- Paul W. Frields gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://paul.frields.org/ - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From sstorari at byte-code.com Thu Sep 11 14:02:48 2008 From: sstorari at byte-code.com (Samuele Storari) Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2008 16:02:48 +0200 (CEST) Subject: R: Re: R: Re: R: Re: Solar Round 3 - Almost ended In-Reply-To: <1221141288.14588.176.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <36854247.40821221141768453.JavaMail.root@mail.byte-code.com> No prob. Paul. Thanks for your support. Samuele ----- Messaggio originale ----- Da: "Paul W. Frields" A: "Discussions about the artwork \"included with Fedora, including icons, themes, and wallpapers.\"" Inviato: Gioved?, 11 settembre 2008 15:54:48 GMT +01:00 Amsterdam/Berlino/Berna/Roma/Stoccolma/Vienna Oggetto: Re: R: Re: R: Re: Solar Round 3 - Almost ended On Thu, 2008-09-11 at 08:12 -0400, Mairin Duffy wrote: > Hi Samuele, > > Thanks for the tutorial, I will give it a try! > > Samuele Storari wrote: > > So, please, take my good willin', my good intentions and don't doubt about everything I do. I start work in the open source sector and lookin to my colleagues I want just to give some help and share my skill too, anything else. > Oh please don't misunderstand me. I was curious about how you produced > the aurora effect for my own curiosity because I tried to do it on my > own and couldn't figure it out. > > With the photos, I unfortunately will question every photo used in any > artwork submitted here, and there is a notice to that effect on the main > Artwork page in the wiki. I know it might seem as if I'm singling you > out and I apologize for that, but no one else used photos in their > artwork, only vectors. It's really important that the work we create for > Fedora is as free and open as possible and without proper documentation > of where things came from, it is extremely difficult to be confident in > our licensing. We do license audits of the code in Fedora too and they > are even more strict. Tom Callaway really appreciates the fact that the Artwork team works hard on making sure their licensing is clear and correct. He has been auditing every one of the over 10,000 software packages we have in Fedora, and it's been a *LOT* of work. > We have had some history of folks using artwork licensing that was not > appropriate (some of the photos you used in invixible are an example) so > I think we audit these licenses with good reason. Because Fedora is meant to be 100% free and redistributable by anyone, forever, we have to make sure that everything that goes into it has a clear licensing history. We wouldn't want to pass anything on to our community of users that might have some legal tangles for them. Samuele, thanks for bearing with us as we work through this. These processes are not meant to be offensive in any way. This is a burden that we bear as a completely free and open source project, and we are grateful that people like you step up to share their work with us. In doing that, you also benefit from understanding how a free (as in freedom) software project works. Thanks again. -- Paul W. Frields gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://paul.frields.org/ - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug _______________________________________________ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list at redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list -- Samuele Storari Art Director Byte-Code srl mobile: +39 347 50 798 32 office: +39 02 9840047 http://www.byte-code.com From sstorari at byte-code.com Thu Sep 11 15:12:02 2008 From: sstorari at byte-code.com (Samuele Storari) Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2008 17:12:02 +0200 (CEST) Subject: Solar Round 3 - Ended? In-Reply-To: <36854247.40821221141768453.JavaMail.root@mail.byte-code.com> Message-ID: <322497047.40921221145922230.JavaMail.root@mail.byte-code.com> So Here we are. Solar it's ended... i Think... If I'm still missing some file please say it to me. I need just a little help, someone can help with the Welcome Screen and help me using the Echo Icons? Where I can find them? Which one I have to use, and what I don't have to use? Need Feedback Thanks Samuele ----- Messaggio originale ----- Da: "Samuele Storari" A: "Discussions about the artwork included with Fedora, including icons, themes, and wallpapers." Inviato: Gioved?, 11 settembre 2008 16:02:48 GMT +01:00 Amsterdam/Berlino/Berna/Roma/Stoccolma/Vienna Oggetto: R: Re: R: Re: R: Re: Solar Round 3 - Almost ended No prob. Paul. Thanks for your support. Samuele ----- Messaggio originale ----- Da: "Paul W. Frields" A: "Discussions about the artwork \"included with Fedora, including icons, themes, and wallpapers.\"" Inviato: Gioved?, 11 settembre 2008 15:54:48 GMT +01:00 Amsterdam/Berlino/Berna/Roma/Stoccolma/Vienna Oggetto: Re: R: Re: R: Re: Solar Round 3 - Almost ended On Thu, 2008-09-11 at 08:12 -0400, Mairin Duffy wrote: > Hi Samuele, > > Thanks for the tutorial, I will give it a try! > > Samuele Storari wrote: > > So, please, take my good willin', my good intentions and don't doubt about everything I do. I start work in the open source sector and lookin to my colleagues I want just to give some help and share my skill too, anything else. > Oh please don't misunderstand me. I was curious about how you produced > the aurora effect for my own curiosity because I tried to do it on my > own and couldn't figure it out. > > With the photos, I unfortunately will question every photo used in any > artwork submitted here, and there is a notice to that effect on the main > Artwork page in the wiki. I know it might seem as if I'm singling you > out and I apologize for that, but no one else used photos in their > artwork, only vectors. It's really important that the work we create for > Fedora is as free and open as possible and without proper documentation > of where things came from, it is extremely difficult to be confident in > our licensing. We do license audits of the code in Fedora too and they > are even more strict. Tom Callaway really appreciates the fact that the Artwork team works hard on making sure their licensing is clear and correct. He has been auditing every one of the over 10,000 software packages we have in Fedora, and it's been a *LOT* of work. > We have had some history of folks using artwork licensing that was not > appropriate (some of the photos you used in invixible are an example) so > I think we audit these licenses with good reason. Because Fedora is meant to be 100% free and redistributable by anyone, forever, we have to make sure that everything that goes into it has a clear licensing history. We wouldn't want to pass anything on to our community of users that might have some legal tangles for them. Samuele, thanks for bearing with us as we work through this. These processes are not meant to be offensive in any way. This is a burden that we bear as a completely free and open source project, and we are grateful that people like you step up to share their work with us. In doing that, you also benefit from understanding how a free (as in freedom) software project works. Thanks again. -- Paul W. Frields gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://paul.frields.org/ - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug _______________________________________________ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list at redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list -- Samuele Storari Art Director Byte-Code srl mobile: +39 347 50 798 32 office: +39 02 9840047 http://www.byte-code.com _______________________________________________ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list at redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list -- Samuele Storari Art Director Byte-Code srl mobile: +39 347 50 798 32 office: +39 02 9840047 http://www.byte-code.com From nicu at nicubunu.ro Thu Sep 11 15:34:01 2008 From: nicu at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2008 18:34:01 +0300 Subject: Solar Round 3 - Ended? In-Reply-To: <322497047.40921221145922230.JavaMail.root@mail.byte-code.com> References: <322497047.40921221145922230.JavaMail.root@mail.byte-code.com> Message-ID: <48C93A69.6070507@nicubunu.ro> Samuele Storari wrote: > I need just a little help, someone can help with the Welcome Screen and help me using the Echo Icons? > Where I can find them? Which one I have to use, and what I don't have to use? Here are the icons: https://fedorahosted.org/echo-icon-theme/wiki/IconThemeStatus There is no rule about which icons to use, use whatever you think fits. -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com From martin.sourada at gmail.com Thu Sep 11 15:54:29 2008 From: martin.sourada at gmail.com (Martin Sourada) Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2008 17:54:29 +0200 Subject: Solar Round 3 - Ended? In-Reply-To: <48C93A69.6070507@nicubunu.ro> References: <322497047.40921221145922230.JavaMail.root@mail.byte-code.com> <48C93A69.6070507@nicubunu.ro> Message-ID: <1221148469.3086.40.camel@pc-notebook> On Thu, 2008-09-11 at 18:34 +0300, Nicu Buculei wrote: > Samuele Storari wrote: > > I need just a little help, someone can help with the Welcome Screen and help me using the Echo Icons? > > Where I can find them? Which one I have to use, and what I don't have to use? > > Here are the icons: > https://fedorahosted.org/echo-icon-theme/wiki/IconThemeStatus > > There is no rule about which icons to use, use whatever you think fits. > Or even better, you can fetch the SVG sources directly from git: http://git.fedorahosted.org/git/?p=echo-icon-theme;a=tree;f=sources/base;hb=HEAD Martin -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Which one I have to use, and what I don't have to use? > > Here are the icons: > https://fedorahosted.org/echo-icon-theme/wiki/IconThemeStatus > > There is no rule about which icons to use, use whatever you think fits. > Or even better, you can fetch the SVG sources directly from git: http://git.fedorahosted.org/git/?p=echo-icon-theme;a=tree;f=sources/base;hb=HEAD Martin _______________________________________________ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list at redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list -- Samuele Storari Art Director Byte-Code srl mobile: +39 347 50 798 32 office: +39 02 9840047 http://www.byte-code.com From luya at fedoraproject.org Thu Sep 11 17:08:27 2008 From: luya at fedoraproject.org (Luya Tshimbalanga) Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2008 10:08:27 -0700 Subject: [Echo] New system-root-password icon set draft In-Reply-To: <1221130914.3086.36.camel@pc-notebook> References: <48C8CD67.2010209@fedoraproject.org> <1221121671.3086.31.camel@pc-notebook> <48C8E40C.6010609@fedoraproject.org> <1221130914.3086.36.camel@pc-notebook> Message-ID: <48C9508B.5000502@fedoraproject.org> Martin Sourada a ?crit : > > Hm.. does not seems so... the left side is straight up, while on the > right side there is a "cut" -> you should edit the left side. > > Other than that, I also think the same as nicu - the current colouring > works better and the circle would look good in smaller sizes as well. > > + I still feel the shadow should be more bellow the icon than it is now > - i.e. move it a little down, or the icon a little up, that should fix > it. > - Applied Nicu's suggestion on all size but 16x16 icon. - Set the shadow sightly below the icon. 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Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 259 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From martin.sourada at gmail.com Thu Sep 11 17:52:47 2008 From: martin.sourada at gmail.com (Martin Sourada) Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2008 19:52:47 +0200 Subject: [Echo] New system-root-password icon set draft In-Reply-To: <48C9508B.5000502@fedoraproject.org> References: <48C8CD67.2010209@fedoraproject.org> <1221121671.3086.31.camel@pc-notebook> <48C8E40C.6010609@fedoraproject.org> <1221130914.3086.36.camel@pc-notebook> <48C9508B.5000502@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <1221155567.3086.44.camel@pc-notebook> > - Applied Nicu's suggestion on all size but 16x16 icon. > - Set the shadow sightly below the icon. > > Luya > > Reference: > -------------- > http://luya.fedorapeople.org/echo/status/system-root-password.svg > Looking good. But looking at the icons with circle but without echo brand, it came to my mind it might look better if you put the brand up and circle down, what do you think? I still feel the shadow might be even more bellow the icon, but as it's now it's also fine. Other than that, I have no further comments :) Martin -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 197 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From luya at fedoraproject.org Thu Sep 11 18:15:47 2008 From: luya at fedoraproject.org (Luya Tshimbalanga) Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2008 11:15:47 -0700 Subject: [Echo] New system-root-password icon set draft In-Reply-To: <1221155567.3086.44.camel@pc-notebook> References: <48C8CD67.2010209@fedoraproject.org> <1221121671.3086.31.camel@pc-notebook> <48C8E40C.6010609@fedoraproject.org> <1221130914.3086.36.camel@pc-notebook> <48C9508B.5000502@fedoraproject.org> <1221155567.3086.44.camel@pc-notebook> Message-ID: <48C96053.1050603@fedoraproject.org> Martin Sourada a ?crit : > Looking good. But looking at the icons with circle but without echo > brand, it came to my mind it might look better if you put the brand up > and circle down, what do you think? I still feel the shadow might be > even more bellow the icon, but as it's now it's also fine. > Here is the modified version. I took time to sightly set shadow below the icon. Luya Reference: -------------- http://luya.fedorapeople.org/echo/status/system-root-password.svg -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: system-root-password.png Type: image/png Size: 43116 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 259 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From mola.mp at gmail.com Thu Sep 11 18:23:41 2008 From: mola.mp at gmail.com (Mola Pahnadayan) Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2008 22:53:41 +0430 Subject: Need a wall paper for Fedora Security Spin In-Reply-To: <48C6139D.40209@redhat.com> References: <48C6139D.40209@redhat.com> Message-ID: <48C9622D.1050703@gmail.com> Hi, Another wallpaper :) http://molaora.com/index.php?photos/album/8/photo/61.html with inkscape call for security like batman call. Mola. Huzaifa Sidhpurwala wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Hi All, > I just added a request for a Wall paper for Fedora Security spin, > Just wanted to drop a line to you guys to let you know. > Thanks a lot. > > > - -- > Regards, > Huzaifa Sidhpurwala, RHCE, CCNA (IRC: huzaifas) > Research and Development Lead, > Global Help Desk, Pune > Phone: +91 20 4005 7322 (UTC +5.5) > > GnuPG Fingerprint: > 3A0F DAFB 9279 02ED 273B FFE9 CC70 DCF2 DA5B DAE5 > > Visit the Help Desk portal at : http://helpdesk.corp.redhat.com > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) > Comment: Using GnuPG with Red Hat - http://enigmail.mozdev.org > > iD8DBQFIxhOdzHDc8tpb2uURAslFAKCZ/4R7IyUKM0aaUB9KdnUUuDU4WACdEZzZ > KGf53I8JAKQ4JuLm+Qv4OCQ= > =ObEI > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list > > From martin.sourada at gmail.com Thu Sep 11 18:49:52 2008 From: martin.sourada at gmail.com (Martin Sourada) Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2008 20:49:52 +0200 Subject: [Echo] New system-root-password icon set draft In-Reply-To: <48C96053.1050603@fedoraproject.org> References: <48C8CD67.2010209@fedoraproject.org> <1221121671.3086.31.camel@pc-notebook> <48C8E40C.6010609@fedoraproject.org> <1221130914.3086.36.camel@pc-notebook> <48C9508B.5000502@fedoraproject.org> <1221155567.3086.44.camel@pc-notebook> <48C96053.1050603@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <1221158992.3086.48.camel@pc-notebook> On Thu, 2008-09-11 at 11:15 -0700, Luya Tshimbalanga wrote: > Here is the modified version. I took time to sightly set shadow below > the icon. > > Luya > > Reference: > -------------- > http://luya.fedorapeople.org/echo/status/system-root-password.svg > I think you can safely remove the echo brand in 48x48 and smaller sizes or drastically simplify it, otherwise it looks good to me :) Martin -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Perhaps you mean to be shining at the moon, but I would contend that that confuses the image a bit if that's the case. I could see having a solid white light beam or one with a low alpha, but the mix is where you run into problems. 3) Do you need the white halo around the fedora logo? Have you tried nixing the halo and treating the fedora logo as if that were the only light? That may not look as good, I'm not sure, but perhaps it's worth a shot. All and all, a very pretty concept with a promising first or second pass at it. To be honest though, of all the ones you've posted so far, the one you did in blender ( http://molaora.com/data/files/Temp/security_spin_001.jpg ) is my favorite by far. That one is really fabulous. Great work, eve On Thu, 2008-09-11 at 22:53 +0430, Mola Pahnadayan wrote: > Hi, > Another wallpaper :) > http://molaora.com/index.php?photos/album/8/photo/61.html > with inkscape > call for security like batman call. > > Mola. > > Huzaifa Sidhpurwala wrote: > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > Hash: SHA1 > > > > Hi All, > > I just added a request for a Wall paper for Fedora Security spin, > > Just wanted to drop a line to you guys to let you know. > > Thanks a lot. > > > > > > - -- > > Regards, > > Huzaifa Sidhpurwala, RHCE, CCNA (IRC: huzaifas) > > Research and Development Lead, > > Global Help Desk, Pune > > Phone: +91 20 4005 7322 (UTC +5.5) > > > > GnuPG Fingerprint: > > 3A0F DAFB 9279 02ED 273B FFE9 CC70 DCF2 DA5B DAE5 > > > > Visit the Help Desk portal at : http://helpdesk.corp.redhat.com > > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > > Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) > > Comment: Using GnuPG with Red Hat - http://enigmail.mozdev.org > > > > iD8DBQFIxhOdzHDc8tpb2uURAslFAKCZ/4R7IyUKM0aaUB9KdnUUuDU4WACdEZzZ > > KGf53I8JAKQ4JuLm+Qv4OCQ= > > =ObEI > > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Fedora-art-list mailing list > > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list From martin.sourada at gmail.com Thu Sep 11 19:24:16 2008 From: martin.sourada at gmail.com (Martin Sourada) Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2008 21:24:16 +0200 Subject: [Echo] working on new mail-* action icons Message-ID: <1221161056.3086.58.camel@pc-notebook> Hi, The reason for this mail is simple - there are about eleven mail-* icons in the action context and two of them are missing in the echo icons, most of those also contain folder in the icon (letter folder) so it's good idea to recreate all of them in a batch and decide about the folder design first. So I attach my first try. Just to prevent unnecessary questions - they are bright intentionally - they're made from white paper and the current dark design really does not work very good for them. I also slightly changed the proportions. They now look alike to gnome icons. Also, due to being thin, there is no difference between flat and on-the-table projections :-D I also tested them against various solid-colour backgrounds (actually I tried all echo colours) and they are easily recognisable on all, but look slightly better on brighter or bluish backgrounds (as most of other echo icons). Comments welcome, Martin -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: mail.png Type: image/png Size: 21000 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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New releases: echo-icon-theme-0.3.3 [1] (built for F-8 [2] and F-9 [3]) latest git snapshot built for Rawhide [4] echo-artist-0.1.1 [5] (built for F-8 [6], F-9 [7] and Rawhide [8]) Please update the echo-artist package as soon possible (even though the chances of hitting the aforementioned bug are rather small). Thanks, Martin References: [1] https://fedorahosted.org/releases/e/c/echo-icon-theme/echo-icon-theme-0.3.3.tar.bz2 [2] https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/echo-icon-theme-0.3.3-1.fc8 [3] https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/echo-icon-theme-0.3.3-1.fc9 [4] http://kojipkgs.fedoraproject.org/packages/echo-icon-theme/0.3.89.0/0.10.20080911gita7c752e.fc10/noarch/echo-icon-theme-0.3.89.0-0.10.20080911gita7c752e.fc10.noarch.rpm [5] https://fedorahosted.org/releases/e/c/echo-icon-theme/echo-artist-0.1.1.tar.gz [6] https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/echo-artist-0.1.1-1.fc8 [7] https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/echo-artist-0.1.1-1.fc9 [8] http://kojipkgs.fedoraproject.org/packages/echo-artist/0.1.1/1.fc10/noarch/echo-artist-0.1.1-1.fc10.noarch.rpm -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Fedora's #1! ;) But using fingers may be trick, body parts and gestures have different meanings in various cultures... whatever you use *will* be offensive somewhere. -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Fri Sep 12 06:10:11 2008 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 09:10:11 +0300 Subject: Need a wall paper for Fedora Security Spin In-Reply-To: <1221159783.3039.16.camel@dhcp-100-19-191.bos.redhat.com> References: <48C6139D.40209@redhat.com> <48C9622D.1050703@gmail.com> <1221159783.3039.16.camel@dhcp-100-19-191.bos.redhat.com> Message-ID: <48CA07C3.5080001@nicubunu.ro> Evangeline McGlynn wrote: > Mola, > > I like your concept, but would suggest you reexamine the following > elements: [...] > 3) Do you need the white halo around the fedora logo? Have you tried > nixing the halo and treating the fedora logo as if that were the only > light? That may not look as good, I'm not sure, but perhaps it's worth > a shot. I think I would like it better if the "bat sign" was less of an in-the-face Fedora logo, maybe it could be just a cloudy letter "f" or infinity symbol. -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From luya at fedoraproject.org Fri Sep 12 07:10:38 2008 From: luya at fedoraproject.org (Luya Tshimbalanga) Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 00:10:38 -0700 Subject: [Echo] working on new mail-* action icons In-Reply-To: <1221161056.3086.58.camel@pc-notebook> References: <1221161056.3086.58.camel@pc-notebook> Message-ID: <48CA15EE.1080502@fedoraproject.org> Martin Sourada a ?crit : > Hi, > > The reason for this mail is simple - there are about eleven mail-* icons > in the action context and two of them are missing in the echo icons, > most of those also contain folder in the icon (letter folder) so it's > good idea to recreate all of them in a batch and decide about the folder > design first. So I attach my first try. > > Just to prevent unnecessary questions - they are bright intentionally - > they're made from white paper and the current dark design really does > not work very good for them. I also slightly changed the proportions. > They now look alike to gnome icons. Also, due to being thin, there is no > difference between flat and on-the-table projections :-D I also tested > them against various solid-colour backgrounds (actually I tried all echo > colours) and they are easily recognisable on all, but look slightly > better on brighter or bluish backgrounds (as most of other echo icons). > > Looks good. Are you using this icon as the base for other variants? Otherwise, I have no comment. Luya -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Frank -- gpg id EB547226 Revoked Forgot Password :( aMSN: Frankly3D http://www.frankly3d.com From martin.sourada at gmail.com Fri Sep 12 07:48:20 2008 From: martin.sourada at gmail.com (Martin Sourada) Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 09:48:20 +0200 Subject: [Echo] working on new mail-* action icons In-Reply-To: <48CA15EE.1080502@fedoraproject.org> References: <1221161056.3086.58.camel@pc-notebook> <48CA15EE.1080502@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <1221205700.3086.78.camel@pc-notebook> On Fri, 2008-09-12 at 00:10 -0700, Luya Tshimbalanga wrote: > Martin Sourada a ?crit : > Looks good. Are you using this icon as the base for other variants? > Otherwise, I have no comment. > > Luya Yes, this icons is intended as the base for all the mail-* action icons that will contain letter folder :) You could say its a "helper" icon to achieve consistency. Martin -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Now for the design: * You can use darker orange for the gradient, with more contrast. * The icons for 48x48 and smaller are far too small * The brightest spots should be on top and little to right, not left, on front faces * 22x22 should use flat perspective * The icons are a little blurry I have fixed all the above mentioned issues, check the attachment. Martin -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: object-flip-horizontal.png Type: image/png Size: 26250 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: object-flip-horizontal.svg Type: image/svg+xml Size: 26986 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Now for the design: > * You can use darker orange for the gradient, with more > contrast. > * The icons for 48x48 and smaller are far too small > * The brightest spots should be on top and little to right, not > left, on front faces > * 22x22 should use flat perspective > * The icons are a little blurry > > I have fixed all the above mentioned issues, check the attachment. > > Fixed shadow position, I think these icons can be pushed into repository. Luya -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: object-flip-horizontal.png Type: image/png Size: 23176 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: object-flip-horizontal.svg Type: image/svg+xml Size: 27286 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Now for the design: > > * You can use darker orange for the gradient, with more > > contrast. > > * The icons for 48x48 and smaller are far too small > > * The brightest spots should be on top and little to right, not > > left, on front faces > > * 22x22 should use flat perspective > > * The icons are a little blurry > > > > I have fixed all the above mentioned issues, check the attachment. > > > > > > Fixed shadow position, I think these icons can be pushed into repository. > > Luya For some reason, you attached the small version again... Martin -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 197 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From duffy at fedoraproject.org Fri Sep 12 13:26:09 2008 From: duffy at fedoraproject.org (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?M=E1ir=EDn_Duffy?=) Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 09:26:09 -0400 Subject: Four F's designs In-Reply-To: <1221205421.2613.1.camel@frank-01> References: <48C7FD1A.8040103@redhat.com> <20080911232541.GA27157@gmail.com> <48CA02B2.6070009@nicubunu.ro> <1221205421.2613.1.camel@frank-01> Message-ID: <48CA6DF1.8050907@fedoraproject.org> Frank Murphy wrote: > On Fri, 2008-09-12 at 08:48 +0300, Nicu Buculei wrote: >> Ian Weller wrote: >>> On Wed, Sep 10, 2008 at 01:00:10PM -0400, =?ISO-8859-1?Q?M=E1ir=EDn_Duffy_ wrote: >>>> Not sure if the flag really signifies first though. :/ >>>> > > > With the olympics finished. > How about a cup with the ears\handles, as 1st. Oh wow, awesome idea! I'll give it a go! ~m From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Fri Sep 12 14:00:32 2008 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 17:00:32 +0300 Subject: Four F's designs In-Reply-To: <48CA6DF1.8050907@fedoraproject.org> References: <48C7FD1A.8040103@redhat.com> <20080911232541.GA27157@gmail.com> <48CA02B2.6070009@nicubunu.ro> <1221205421.2613.1.camel@frank-01> <48CA6DF1.8050907@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <48CA7600.9040403@nicubunu.ro> M?ir?n Duffy wrote: > Frank Murphy wrote: >> >> With the olympics finished. >> How about a cup with the ears\handles, as 1st. > > Oh wow, awesome idea! I'll give it a go! If that is of any use for you, I have an old drawing of a cup around here. -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: 4f-first.svg Type: image/svg+xml Size: 20509 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: 4f-first.png Type: image/png Size: 2417 bytes Desc: not available URL: From kelving05 at comcast.net Fri Sep 12 14:14:46 2008 From: kelving05 at comcast.net (kelving05 at comcast.net) Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 14:14:46 +0000 Subject: new member Message-ID: <091220081414.2778.48CA7956000B0C3E00000ADA2216557996CACF09020790040A05@comcast.net> hi, my name is kelvin am studying to become an it tech, am 22yrs old, live in florida and born in the dominican republic. I use fedora live cd and iwould like to participate in the art wort , i have use the windows program to draw many things before i would like to be assing a task. thank you for your help. From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Fri Sep 12 14:21:30 2008 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 17:21:30 +0300 Subject: new member In-Reply-To: <091220081414.2778.48CA7956000B0C3E00000ADA2216557996CACF09020790040A05@comcast.net> References: <091220081414.2778.48CA7956000B0C3E00000ADA2216557996CACF09020790040A05@comcast.net> Message-ID: <48CA7AEA.70409@nicubunu.ro> kelving05 at comcast.net wrote: > hi, Hi Kelvin, > my name is kelvin am studying to become an it tech, am 22yrs old, live in florida and born in the dominican republic. I use fedora live cd and iwould like to participate in the art wort , i have use the windows program to draw many things before i would like to be assing a task. thank you for your help. Any specific area you are interested in? What is your field of expertise? -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From stickster at gmail.com Fri Sep 12 16:20:59 2008 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 16:20:59 +0000 Subject: Four F's designs In-Reply-To: <48CA7600.9040403@nicubunu.ro> References: <48C7FD1A.8040103@redhat.com> <20080911232541.GA27157@gmail.com> <48CA02B2.6070009@nicubunu.ro> <1221205421.2613.1.camel@frank-01> <48CA6DF1.8050907@fedoraproject.org> <48CA7600.9040403@nicubunu.ro> Message-ID: <1221236459.10226.152.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Fri, 2008-09-12 at 17:00 +0300, Nicu Buculei wrote: > M?ir?n Duffy wrote: > > Frank Murphy wrote: > >> > >> With the olympics finished. > >> How about a cup with the ears\handles, as 1st. > > > > Oh wow, awesome idea! I'll give it a go! > > If that is of any use for you, I have an old drawing of a cup around here. Cool. Maybe simplified a bit, with the handles looking more like "Spock ears" (hope that makes sense)? Also, making sure the cup is open at the top, and maybe on a sort of square-shaped pedestal, may complete the "trophy" look. -- Paul W. Frields gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://paul.frields.org/ - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Looking at the smallest version of this icon, I think without the context of the other larger icons around it, I would have no idea what that smaller icon was. ~m From luya at fedoraproject.org Fri Sep 12 17:40:19 2008 From: luya at fedoraproject.org (Luya Tshimbalanga) Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 10:40:19 -0700 Subject: [Echo] New object-* icon set draf (part 2) In-Reply-To: <48CAA29D.2030505@fedoraproject.org> References: <48CA30F4.4070201@fedoraproject.org> <1221213111.3086.89.camel@pc-notebook> <1221213339.3086.92.camel@pc-notebook> <48CAA08A.8080000@fedoraproject.org> <48CAA29D.2030505@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <48CAA983.7000204@fedoraproject.org> M?ir?n Duffy a ?crit : > > Looking at the smallest version of this icon, I think without the > context of the other larger icons around it, I would have no idea what > that smaller icon was. > Does it apply to object-flip-horizontal icon too? I include a new version with modified smallest icon. 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The 22x22 is > > indeed just a little off-set from the pixel grid. > > > > > Labelled 48 x48 icon to scalable. 22x22 should be crisp, could you > verify it please? > > Luya Yup, its fixed now. Martin -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I include a new > version with > modified smallest icon. Oh wow, that's much, much better, great work :) I saw the modified horizontal one too but I still think that one needs a little tweaking. I'm not sure how though :( ~m From luya at fedoraproject.org Fri Sep 12 18:22:15 2008 From: luya at fedoraproject.org (Luya Tshimbalanga) Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 11:22:15 -0700 Subject: [Echo] New object-* icon set draf (part 2) In-Reply-To: <48CAAD90.9010001@fedoraproject.org> References: <48CA30F4.4070201@fedoraproject.org> <1221213111.3086.89.camel@pc-notebook> <1221213339.3086.92.camel@pc-notebook> <48CAA08A.8080000@fedoraproject.org> <48CAA29D.2030505@fedoraproject.org> <48CAA983.7000204@fedoraproject.org> <48CAAD90.9010001@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <48CAB357.9060208@fedoraproject.org> M?ir?n Duffy a ?crit : > > Oh wow, that's much, much better, great work :) I saw the modified > horizontal one too but I still think that one needs a little tweaking. > I'm not sure how though :( > Thanks M?ir?n. That tweaking can be done later after the icon set is pushed in repository. Otherwise, find a way for small detail might take an eternity =p. 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That tweaking can be done later after the icon set is > pushed in repository. > Otherwise, find a way for small detail might take an eternity =p. If you > like, join the group, git > echo repository so you can play around. =) Well to be honest I likely won't be but thanks for the invite. My interest right now is more in design work for marketing materials than icon work... some day I might try to help out but I've not ever really enjoyed icon work. ~m From luya at fedoraproject.org Fri Sep 12 18:43:45 2008 From: luya at fedoraproject.org (Luya Tshimbalanga) Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 11:43:45 -0700 Subject: [Echo] New object-* icon set draf (part 2) In-Reply-To: <48CAB649.8020404@fedoraproject.org> References: <48CA30F4.4070201@fedoraproject.org> <1221213111.3086.89.camel@pc-notebook> <1221213339.3086.92.camel@pc-notebook> <48CAA08A.8080000@fedoraproject.org> <48CAA29D.2030505@fedoraproject.org> <48CAA983.7000204@fedoraproject.org> <48CAAD90.9010001@fedoraproject.org> <48CAB357.9060208@fedoraproject.org> <48CAB649.8020404@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <48CAB861.9080207@fedoraproject.org> M?ir?n Duffy a ?crit : > > Well to be honest I likely won't be but thanks for the invite. My > interest right now is more in design work for marketing materials than > icon work... some day I might try to help out but I've not ever really > enjoyed icon work. No problem, the door is always open and you can drop by anytime. Luya From g.zarafidis at gmail.com Fri Sep 12 21:14:43 2008 From: g.zarafidis at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-7?B?w+X58ePp7/IgxuHx4fbf5Ofy?=) Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2008 00:14:43 +0300 Subject: [Fedora-art-list] New member Message-ID: Greetings list! First of all let me introduce myself. My name is George Zarafidis, age 23 years old, studying Communications and Informatics and the Technological Institute of Serres. Some bio. I am one of the creators of the SerLUG (Serres Linux User Group) and also the leader of the SerLUG's Graphics Team. I use GIMP, Inkscape, Wings3D and various other design programms. I can draw from scratch, or manipulate photos/images and also I do the poster of our LUG. I also do the wallpapers and icons for our release (Slug, which is our Fedora based modified distro). An example of my work is the SerLUG's Penguin, SerTUX . I am going to do some work from the *Design Queue* and send it to the list for reviewing. George Zarafidis -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From martin.sourada at gmail.com Fri Sep 12 21:39:05 2008 From: martin.sourada at gmail.com (Martin Sourada) Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 23:39:05 +0200 Subject: [Fedora-art-list] New member In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1221255546.3086.104.camel@pc-notebook> On Sat, 2008-09-13 at 00:14 +0300, ???????? ????????? wrote: > Greetings list! > > First of all let me introduce myself. My name is George Zarafidis, age 23 years old, studying Communications and Informatics and the Technological Institute of Serres. > Some bio. I am one of the creators of the SerLUG (Serres Linux User Group) and also the leader of the SerLUG's Graphics Team. I use GIMP, Inkscape, Wings3D and various other design programms. > > I can draw from scratch, or manipulate photos/images and also I do the poster of our LUG. I also do the wallpapers and icons for our release (Slug, which is our Fedora based modified distro). > An example of my work is the SerLUG's Penguin, SerTUX. > > > I am going to do some work from the Design Queue and send it to the list for reviewing. > > George Zarafidis Hi George and welcome to team. I am looking forward to working with you :) Your SerTUX is great! BTW. I noticed in your displayed mail name that your name is ???????? ????????? which I would transcribe to latin alphabet (with my limited knowledge of greek alphabet thanks to me studying physics) as Georgios Zaraf?des (letter to letter transcription => don't read it as if it were English), yet you signed with George Zarafidis - I am wondering whether you just prefer to be called by English speakers George, or whether it is the correct "romanization" of your name. Martin -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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My name is George Zarafidis, age 23 > years old, studying Communications and Informatics and the Technological > Institute of Serres. > > Some bio. I am one of the creators of the SerLUG (Serres Linux User > Group) and also the leader of the SerLUG's Graphics Team. I use GIMP, > Inkscape, Wings3D and various other design programms. > > > > I can draw from scratch, or manipulate photos/images and also I do the > poster of our LUG. I also do the wallpapers and icons for our release (Slug, > which is our Fedora based modified distro). > > An example of my work is the SerLUG's Penguin, SerTUX. > > > > > > I am going to do some work from the Design Queue and send it to the list > for reviewing. > > > > George Zarafidis > > Hi George and welcome to team. I am looking forward to working with > you :) Your SerTUX is great! > > BTW. I noticed in your displayed mail name that your name is ???????? > ????????? which I would transcribe to latin alphabet (with my limited > knowledge of greek alphabet thanks to me studying physics) as Georgios > Zaraf?des (letter to letter transcription => don't read it as if it were > English), yet you signed with George Zarafidis - I am wondering whether > you just prefer to be called by English speakers George, or whether it > is the correct "romanization" of your name. > > Martin > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From luya_tfz at thefinalzone.com Sat Sep 13 08:54:52 2008 From: luya_tfz at thefinalzone.com (Luya Tshimbalanga) Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2008 04:54:52 -0400 Subject: Updated Nicu post on Fedora Forum Message-ID: <1221296092.48cb7fdcc3b26@ssl.mecca.ca> I modified and stick Nicu's post[1] on Fedora Forum to be visible. If there is some mistake, let me know so I can correct them. References: [1] http://forums.fedoraforum.org/showthread.php?t=194915 -- Luya Tshimbalanga Fedora Project contributor http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/LuyaTshimbalanga From fedora-art at brej.org Sat Sep 13 19:22:04 2008 From: fedora-art at brej.org (Charlie Brej) Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2008 20:22:04 +0100 Subject: Plymouth animated startup Message-ID: <48CC12DC.900@brej.org> In Fedora 10 there will be a new graphical startup program replacing RHGB[1]. Its called Plymouth and it starts even earlier than rhgb. You can see a demo of the current default fedora startup here[2]. The system works on plugins to allow different styles of splash screens. To play around with it I wrote a plugin which uses components of the InvinXble theme and animates them. You can see a video of this[3]. It is still work in progress but it does not seem too CPU intensive. I kept the plugin pretty general so it should be easy to change it to suit any theme. What I would like is some feedback as to whether something like this is desirable. [1] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/BetterStartup [2] http://katzj.livejournal.com/432586.html [3] http://brej.org/test/plymouth_invx.mpg and http://brej.org/test/plymouth_invx.gif From gnomeuser at gmail.com Sat Sep 13 19:55:26 2008 From: gnomeuser at gmail.com (David Nielsen) Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2008 21:55:26 +0200 Subject: Plymouth animated startup In-Reply-To: <48CC12DC.900@brej.org> References: <48CC12DC.900@brej.org> Message-ID: <1dedbbfc0809131255p6b322fc9yf90d0abcb7219bde@mail.gmail.com> 2008/9/13 Charlie Brej > In Fedora 10 there will be a new graphical startup program replacing > RHGB[1]. Its called Plymouth and it starts even earlier than rhgb. You can > see a demo of the current default fedora startup here[2]. The system works > on plugins to allow different styles of splash screens. To play around with > it I wrote a plugin which uses components of the InvinXble theme and > animates them. You can see a video of this[3]. It is still work in progress > but it does not seem too CPU intensive. I kept the plugin pretty general so > it should be easy to change it to suit any theme. > > What I would like is some feedback as to whether something like this is > desirable. > > [1] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/BetterStartup > [2] http://katzj.livejournal.com/432586.html > [3] http://brej.org/test/plymouth_invx.mpg > and http://brej.org/test/plymouth_invx.gif > That is definitely sexy, I do have one comment though. The current plymouth splash has a progress bar, and as pretty as this is it doesn't tell us anything about the boot progress so a user might be tempted to think we stalled, any thoughts as to the need for such visual feedback?. Aside that I love it. - David -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fedora-art at brej.org Sat Sep 13 20:29:48 2008 From: fedora-art at brej.org (Charlie Brej) Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2008 21:29:48 +0100 Subject: Plymouth animated startup In-Reply-To: <1dedbbfc0809131255p6b322fc9yf90d0abcb7219bde@mail.gmail.com> References: <48CC12DC.900@brej.org> <1dedbbfc0809131255p6b322fc9yf90d0abcb7219bde@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <48CC22BC.40609@brej.org> David Nielsen wrote: > > > 2008/9/13 Charlie Brej > > > In Fedora 10 there will be a new graphical startup program replacing > RHGB[1]. Its called Plymouth and it starts even earlier than rhgb. > You can see a demo of the current default fedora startup here[2]. > The system works on plugins to allow different styles of splash > screens. To play around with it I wrote a plugin which uses > components of the InvinXble theme and animates them. You can see a > video of this[3]. It is still work in progress but it does not seem > too CPU intensive. I kept the plugin pretty general so it should be > easy to change it to suit any theme. > > What I would like is some feedback as to whether something like this > is desirable. > > [1] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/BetterStartup > [2] http://katzj.livejournal.com/432586.html > [3] http://brej.org/test/plymouth_invx.mpg > and http://brej.org/test/plymouth_invx.gif > > > That is definitely sexy, I do have one comment though. The current > plymouth splash has a progress bar, and as pretty as this is it doesn't > tell us anything about the boot progress so a user might be tempted to > think we stalled, any thoughts as to the need for such visual feedback?. > Aside that I love it. > > - David I was planning adding a progress bar (not necessarily a bar). Because the process starts before any disks have been mounted, it makes a timed progress bar a little complicated. I think I have a solution but I will need agreement of the developers. The best way is probably to have an estimated 1 minute timer, and as soon as the root is mounted we read the target time from the disk. We then write the boot time to the disk when we are finished averaged over multiple runs. This would more suited to be within the core rather than the plugin. A lot of the callback structures are already there to support this. From martin.sourada at gmail.com Sat Sep 13 21:41:44 2008 From: martin.sourada at gmail.com (Martin Sourada) Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2008 23:41:44 +0200 Subject: [Echo] New mail-* icons (total of eleven icons) Message-ID: <1221342104.3152.47.camel@pc-notebook> Hi, I've just finished drawing the mail-* icons from the Action context. It's a total of eleven icons and it took me a lot of time to create theme :-D Anyway, generally I am content with the look of the icons (otherwise I would not post it here...) but still think there might be done some improvements, that I am however currently not able to do (either I don't know what exactly could be improved or have reached the top of my current skills with inkscape). So before I reference the sources/PNGs, I'll tell some words about difficulties I had/have: * the mail-reply-all icon sis pretty hard to do right in Echo style. First that type of arrows that are used in gnome icons is hard to do in Echo style, especially in small sizes and plain arrows just don't work when they are side-to-side. So I tried various colour combinations and arrow positions until I came up with the current design [1]. I hope it's good enough... * the mail-(not)junk proved pretty hard to create, especially in the 256x256 size - drawing crumpled paper with inkscape isn't easy, but somehow I managed to draw something that looks like it (though it probably might look better) [2]. If anyone feels (s)he could improve it, feel free to do so :) * I decided to put some text on the 256x256 mail-mark-read icon, because the size big is enough for that, however as I didn't know what to put there, I used lorem ipsum, today's date and "address" Echo Icon Theme; Fedora Project... I used URW Chancery L font (hope it's OK to use it) for that since I liked it there, and in a size that's not readable (but looks IMHO good) :-D I've uploaded all the icons to my Fedora People page [3] and also prepared animated gif (slideshow) [4] so you can see all the icons in one batch. Comments, improvements, suggestions... welcome. Martin References: [1] http://mso.fedorapeople.org/echo/Actions/mail-reply-all.png [2] http://mso.fedorapeople.org/echo/Actions/mail-mark-junk.png [3] http://mso.fedorapeople.org/echo/Actions/ [4] http://mso.fedorapeople.org/echo/Actions/mail-all.gif -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 197 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From tmus at tmus.dk Sun Sep 14 17:55:44 2008 From: tmus at tmus.dk (Thomas M Steenholdt) Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2008 15:55:44 -0200 Subject: Plymouth animated startup In-Reply-To: <48CC22BC.40609@brej.org> References: <48CC12DC.900@brej.org> <1dedbbfc0809131255p6b322fc9yf90d0abcb7219bde@mail.gmail.com> <48CC22BC.40609@brej.org> Message-ID: Charlie Brej wrote: > > I was planning adding a progress bar (not necessarily a bar). Because > the process starts before any disks have been mounted, it makes a timed > progress bar a little complicated. I think I have a solution but I will > need agreement of the developers. The best way is probably to have an > estimated 1 minute timer, and as soon as the root is mounted we read the > target time from the disk. We then write the boot time to the disk when > we are finished averaged over multiple runs. This would more suited to > be within the core rather than the plugin. A lot of the callback > structures are already there to support this. Perhaps it would be better to provide the user with info on what's going on instead of adding timed bars? Or let the animation be trigged by a change in the real progress. Stall = animation is stalled, Live progress = live animation. Or something like that. I'm afraid the progress bar idea is going to be imprecise and will perhaps take to many "hacks" to get implemented? Just my .2 cents /Thomas From markg85 at gmail.com Sun Sep 14 22:34:39 2008 From: markg85 at gmail.com (Mark) Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 00:34:39 +0200 Subject: [Echo] working on new mail-* action icons In-Reply-To: <1221161056.3086.58.camel@pc-notebook> References: <1221161056.3086.58.camel@pc-notebook> Message-ID: <6e24a8e80809141534r7dd01f6w2ee33a07202243f8@mail.gmail.com> 2008/9/11 Martin Sourada : > Hi, > > The reason for this mail is simple - there are about eleven mail-* icons > in the action context and two of them are missing in the echo icons, > most of those also contain folder in the icon (letter folder) so it's > good idea to recreate all of them in a batch and decide about the folder > design first. So I attach my first try. > > Just to prevent unnecessary questions - they are bright intentionally - > they're made from white paper and the current dark design really does > not work very good for them. I also slightly changed the proportions. > They now look alike to gnome icons. Also, due to being thin, there is no > difference between flat and on-the-table projections :-D I also tested > them against various solid-colour backgrounds (actually I tried all echo > colours) and they are easily recognisable on all, but look slightly > better on brighter or bluish backgrounds (as most of other echo icons). > > Comments welcome, > Martin > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list > > Hi Martin, I'm glad to see this icon but at the same time makes me really wonder something. In the days that you made the current mail icon i said that it looked "ugly" and so not mail like (maybe not in those words but that was the result) And i suggested better looking (more realistic) envelope icons. You where highly against it! Now you made new ones in basically the style i suggested which kinda stuns me because of your (at that time) definitive NO. So what did change your mind? Also something i notice recently.. This icon theme is really going towards the Oxygen icon theme which make me wonder something else: Why not stop making those nice icons and use the oxygen icon theme? If needed adjust that theme to the fedora needs. My guess is that you will be done a lot faster with this theme if you do it that way. From martin.sourada at gmail.com Sun Sep 14 23:07:57 2008 From: martin.sourada at gmail.com (Martin Sourada) Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 01:07:57 +0200 Subject: [Echo] working on new mail-* action icons In-Reply-To: <6e24a8e80809141534r7dd01f6w2ee33a07202243f8@mail.gmail.com> References: <1221161056.3086.58.camel@pc-notebook> <6e24a8e80809141534r7dd01f6w2ee33a07202243f8@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1221433677.3152.66.camel@pc-notebook> On Mon, 2008-09-15 at 00:34 +0200, Mark wrote: > Hi Martin, > > I'm glad to see this icon but at the same time makes me really wonder something. > In the days that you made the current mail icon i said that it looked > "ugly" and so not mail like (maybe not in those words but that was the > result) And i suggested better looking (more realistic) envelope > icons. You where highly against it! Now you made new ones in basically > the style i suggested which kinda stuns me because of your (at that > time) definitive NO. So what did change your mind? > Heh, I don't remember (and I am too lazy to look in archives)... Anyway, my opinions do change, evolve. Where I said definitive NO a year ago, does not mean I'd to the same today. Though I don't change my opinions on a daily basis, they are not "set in stone". I wonder what my reason was back then, perhaps I felt Echo should have been darker, or didn't wanted much to touch original Diana's designs... Or now I've just become accustomed to the 24x24 version of the mail icons (which are similarly bright to my current designs) and gnome mail icons... > Also something i notice recently.. This icon theme is really going > towards the Oxygen icon theme which make me wonder something else: Why > not stop making those nice icons and use the oxygen icon theme? If > needed adjust that theme to the fedora needs. My guess is that you > will be done a lot faster with this theme if you do it that way. > Does it? I'd argue that the current looks is closer to gnome icons than oxygen ones... We were asked to base our work on Tango in the past, now we are asked to base it on Oxygen... My only reply to that is: we're neither and we won't throw our past work away ;-) Martin -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 197 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From michael.d.beckwith at gmail.com Mon Sep 15 00:17:16 2008 From: michael.d.beckwith at gmail.com (Michael Beckwith) Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2008 19:17:16 -0500 Subject: Neon update. Message-ID: <48CDA98C.3050500@gmail.com> I've been recently working on the graphics and trying to gather up all of the needed items. So far, I have all that I have available posted on the official proposal page[1]. I know that I have SysLinux Splash + GRUB left to do. Anything else? I'd really like to see these get even more refined and detailed, if Neon gets selected. If not selected, then kudos to the theme that did work. I'm already happy with Neon and that I pushed it this far. I feel proud about myself. [1] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/F10Themes/Neon -- ~Michael http://michaelbox.net From sstorari at byte-code.com Mon Sep 15 07:47:28 2008 From: sstorari at byte-code.com (Samuele Storari) Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 09:47:28 +0200 (CEST) Subject: R: Re: Plymouth animated startup In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <1905664852.42991221464847999.JavaMail.root@mail.byte-code.com> I have only one word: COOL! Ur work it's great :D I'm glad u use the Sword for the mockup. Samuele ----- Messaggio originale ----- Da: "Thomas M Steenholdt" A: fedora-art-list at redhat.com Inviato: Domenica, 14 settembre 2008 19:55:44 GMT +01:00 Amsterdam/Berlino/Berna/Roma/Stoccolma/Vienna Oggetto: Re: Plymouth animated startup Charlie Brej wrote: > > I was planning adding a progress bar (not necessarily a bar). Because > the process starts before any disks have been mounted, it makes a timed > progress bar a little complicated. I think I have a solution but I will > need agreement of the developers. The best way is probably to have an > estimated 1 minute timer, and as soon as the root is mounted we read the > target time from the disk. We then write the boot time to the disk when > we are finished averaged over multiple runs. This would more suited to > be within the core rather than the plugin. A lot of the callback > structures are already there to support this. Perhaps it would be better to provide the user with info on what's going on instead of adding timed bars? Or let the animation be trigged by a change in the real progress. Stall = animation is stalled, Live progress = live animation. Or something like that. I'm afraid the progress bar idea is going to be imprecise and will perhaps take to many "hacks" to get implemented? Just my .2 cents /Thomas _______________________________________________ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list at redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list -- Samuele Storari Art Director Byte-Code srl mobile: +39 347 50 798 32 office: +39 02 9840047 http://www.byte-code.com From gmureddu at prodigy.net.mx Mon Sep 15 08:03:12 2008 From: gmureddu at prodigy.net.mx (Gian Paolo Mureddu) Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 03:03:12 -0500 Subject: Plymouth animated startup In-Reply-To: <48CC22BC.40609@brej.org> References: <48CC12DC.900@brej.org> <1dedbbfc0809131255p6b322fc9yf90d0abcb7219bde@mail.gmail.com> <48CC22BC.40609@brej.org> Message-ID: <48CE16C0.6040203@prodigy.net.mx> Charlie Brej escribi?: > David Nielsen wrote: >> >> >> 2008/9/13 Charlie Brej > > >> >> In Fedora 10 there will be a new graphical startup program replacing >> RHGB[1]. Its called Plymouth and it starts even earlier than rhgb. >> You can see a demo of the current default fedora startup here[2]. >> The system works on plugins to allow different styles of splash >> screens. To play around with it I wrote a plugin which uses >> components of the InvinXble theme and animates them. You can see a >> video of this[3]. It is still work in progress but it does not seem >> too CPU intensive. I kept the plugin pretty general so it should be >> easy to change it to suit any theme. >> >> What I would like is some feedback as to whether something like this >> is desirable. >> >> [1] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/BetterStartup >> [2] http://katzj.livejournal.com/432586.html >> [3] http://brej.org/test/plymouth_invx.mpg >> and http://brej.org/test/plymouth_invx.gif >> >> >> That is definitely sexy, I do have one comment though. The current >> plymouth splash has a progress bar, and as pretty as this is it >> doesn't tell us anything about the boot progress so a user might be >> tempted to think we stalled, any thoughts as to the need for such >> visual feedback?. Aside that I love it. >> >> - David > > I was planning adding a progress bar (not necessarily a bar). Because > the process starts before any disks have been mounted, it makes a > timed progress bar a little complicated. I think I have a solution but > I will need agreement of the developers. The best way is probably to > have an estimated 1 minute timer, and as soon as the root is mounted > we read the target time from the disk. We then write the boot time to > the disk when we are finished averaged over multiple runs. This would > more suited to be within the core rather than the plugin. A lot of the > callback structures are already there to support this. Only a suggestion, how about a blue-ish hue to on the Katana's blade as the boot progresses to give a sort of feedback? (instead of a progress bar as such, using the same logic that would apply to a progress bar), though I'm not sure how feasible it might be, especially considering graphics overlapping, added overhead, code involved, etc. From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Mon Sep 15 08:35:43 2008 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 11:35:43 +0300 Subject: [Echo] New mail-* icons (total of eleven icons) In-Reply-To: <1221342104.3152.47.camel@pc-notebook> References: <1221342104.3152.47.camel@pc-notebook> Message-ID: <48CE1E5F.8080204@nicubunu.ro> Martin Sourada wrote: > > So before I reference the sources/PNGs, I'll tell some words about > difficulties I had/have: > > * the mail-reply-all icon sis pretty hard to do right in Echo > style. First that type of arrows that are used in gnome icons is > hard to do in Echo style, especially in small sizes and plain > arrows just don't work when they are side-to-side. So I tried > various colour combinations and arrow positions until I came up > with the current design [1]. I hope it's good enough... You have two icons, one pointing left (reply) and another pointing right (forward). Not sure the likeness to the forward operation is wise. Here is how this icon looks in the default Thunderbird theme: the same back arrow as for "reply" but *two* envelopes (you reply by using more than one mail) - but this may not work at 16x16, here you do not display the envelope. Note: I think it is a mistake that the 16x16 icon has both of the arrows pointing left (back), unlike the other sizes. The set should be consistent internally. > * the mail-(not)junk proved pretty hard to create, especially in > the 256x256 size - drawing crumpled paper with inkscape isn't > easy, but somehow I managed to draw something that looks like it > (though it probably might look better) [2]. If anyone feels > (s)he could improve it, feel free to do so :) How about using the trash can? To not confuse with "delete mail", maybe envelope + trash can? > * I decided to put some text on the 256x256 mail-mark-read icon, > because the size big is enough for that, however as I didn't > know what to put there, I used lorem ipsum, today's date and > "address" Echo Icon Theme; Fedora Project... I used URW Chancery > L font (hope it's OK to use it) for that since I liked it there, > and in a size that's not readable (but looks IMHO good) :-D That is a nice touch (the cursive writing and all) and the "lorem ipsum" is the safest choice. As the text is normally unreadable, you can use it as an "Easter egg", putting in there anything you want: the description of Fedora mission, your favorite cook book recipe, an essay about beer (ups! I forgot you don't drink beer :D), some advanced physics, a love letter for someone special, etc (tip: open Firefox and type "about:mozilla" in the location bar). I think I would be tempted to go with a funny "Easter egg" myself. -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Mon Sep 15 08:42:58 2008 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 11:42:58 +0300 Subject: Plymouth animated startup In-Reply-To: <48CC12DC.900@brej.org> References: <48CC12DC.900@brej.org> Message-ID: <48CE2012.50301@nicubunu.ro> Charlie Brej wrote: > In Fedora 10 there will be a new graphical startup program replacing > RHGB[1]. Its called Plymouth and it starts even earlier than rhgb. I understand you are at least a bit familiar with the way Plymouth works, all of us could use some pointers, can you add a few words/links to the ThemingOverview page? http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/ThemingOverview#Plymouth -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From martin.sourada at gmail.com Mon Sep 15 09:19:19 2008 From: martin.sourada at gmail.com (Martin Sourada) Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 11:19:19 +0200 Subject: [Echo] New mail-* icons (total of eleven icons) In-Reply-To: <48CE1E5F.8080204@nicubunu.ro> References: <1221342104.3152.47.camel@pc-notebook> <48CE1E5F.8080204@nicubunu.ro> Message-ID: <1221470359.3152.89.camel@pc-notebook> On Mon, 2008-09-15 at 11:35 +0300, Nicu Buculei wrote: > You have two icons, one pointing left (reply) and another pointing right > (forward). Not sure the likeness to the forward operation is wise. > Here is how this icon looks in the default Thunderbird theme: the same > back arrow as for "reply" but *two* envelopes (you reply by using more > than one mail) - but this may not work at 16x16, here you do not display > the envelope. > I use Evolution so I am quite used to the current Echo icons which use (the 24x24 variants are displayed there) the same metaphor I used here. It's the same with Gnome icon theme, though they do not use straight arrows. It's further distinguished by colour (same colours like in gnome to keep consistent with them). Also the mail-forward bears now some likeness to forward, which is IMHO good. I also checked oxygen icons and they also use same metaphot. I personally would think a little bit at loss at the meaning of the Thunderbird icon, as you describe it. Basically when you forward a mail the point is that you take the original mail and send it over to someone else, i.e. forward it, you need not to add another explanatory mail to that - thus the combination of forward arrow and one mail envelope. However having two envelopes and one "reply" arrow seem to me more like replying to more than one e-mail at once (sometimes might be an useful feature :-D)... But come to think of it, it might be useful to have both ltr and rtl variants (sadly enough nothing supports it for these icons) since the directions of arrows have opposite symbolic meaning in rtl... But thanks for the suggestion :) > Note: I think it is a mistake that the 16x16 icon has both of the arrows > pointing left (back), unlike the other sizes. The set should be > consistent internally. > I just followed the example set by gnome icon theme - they use arrows pointing in both directions in bigger sizes and arrows pointing only left in 16x16. Oxygen uses doubled arrow pointing left in all sizes. Do you think I should try to rework the bigger sizes, the 16x16 or leave it as is now? > > * the mail-(not)junk proved pretty hard to create, especially in > > the 256x256 size - drawing crumpled paper with inkscape isn't > > easy, but somehow I managed to draw something that looks like it > > (though it probably might look better) [2]. If anyone feels > > (s)he could improve it, feel free to do so :) > > How about using the trash can? To not confuse with "delete mail", maybe > envelope + trash can? > I am personally against the trash can for junk mail metaphor (it's too much easy to confuse with edit-delete, and in Evo these two icons are next to each other so it would be really confusing, IMHO)... Even if it were with envelope. Note that oxygen uses throwing envelope into trash can for mail-junk and totally different metaphor for mail-notjunk which is confusing. So I again reused the gnome metaphor. Maybe I could add an envelope to the 256x256 so that I could make the crumpled paper smaller (and looking subjectively more detailed)... What do you think? > That is a nice touch (the cursive writing and all) and the "lorem ipsum" > is the safest choice. > As the text is normally unreadable, you can use it as an "Easter egg", > putting in there anything you want: the description of Fedora mission, > your favorite cook book recipe, an essay about beer (ups! I forgot you > don't drink beer :D), some advanced physics, a love letter for someone > special, etc (tip: open Firefox and type "about:mozilla" in the location > bar). > > I think I would be tempted to go with a funny "Easter egg" myself. > If I had good idea what to write there, I'd do it :-D Thanks, Martin -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 197 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Mon Sep 15 11:35:06 2008 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 14:35:06 +0300 Subject: [Echo] New mail-* icons (total of eleven icons) In-Reply-To: <1221470359.3152.89.camel@pc-notebook> References: <1221342104.3152.47.camel@pc-notebook> <48CE1E5F.8080204@nicubunu.ro> <1221470359.3152.89.camel@pc-notebook> Message-ID: <48CE486A.4030403@nicubunu.ro> Martin Sourada wrote: > On Mon, 2008-09-15 at 11:35 +0300, Nicu Buculei wrote: >> You have two icons, one pointing left (reply) and another pointing right >> (forward). Not sure the likeness to the forward operation is wise. >> Here is how this icon looks in the default Thunderbird theme: the same >> back arrow as for "reply" but *two* envelopes (you reply by using more >> than one mail) - but this may not work at 16x16, here you do not display >> the envelope. >> > I use Evolution so I am quite used to the current Echo icons which use > (the 24x24 variants are displayed there) the same metaphor I used here. > It's the same with Gnome icon theme, though they do not use straight > arrows. It's further distinguished by colour (same colours like in gnome > to keep consistent with them). Also the mail-forward bears now some > likeness to forward, which is IMHO good. I also checked oxygen icons and > they also use same metaphot. > > I personally would think a little bit at loss at the meaning of the > Thunderbird icon, as you describe it. Basically when you forward a mail Screenshot attached. > the point is that you take the original mail and send it over to someone > else, i.e. forward it, you need not to add another explanatory mail to > that - thus the combination of forward arrow and one mail envelope. I have to disagree. "Reply all" will send the reply to all people listed in TO: or CC: (is kind of a primitive mailing list substitute), all the people receiving your reply already have the original email. You don't send the message to any new address (thus it does not involve anything like forward). These days, the most common usage for "reply all" is when a mailing list does not se the Reply-to header and when using a plain "reply" button your message is sent only to the original sender, not also to the list. So you have to use "Reply all" to send it both to the original sender and to the list. > However having two envelopes and one "reply" arrow seem to me more like > replying to more than one e-mail at once (sometimes might be an useful > feature :-D)... But come to think of it, it might be useful to have both > ltr and rtl variants (sadly enough nothing supports it for these icons) > since the directions of arrows have opposite symbolic meaning in rtl... > > But thanks for the suggestion :) > >> Note: I think it is a mistake that the 16x16 icon has both of the arrows >> pointing left (back), unlike the other sizes. The set should be >> consistent internally. >> > I just followed the example set by gnome icon theme - they use arrows > pointing in both directions in bigger sizes and arrows pointing only > left in 16x16. Oxygen uses doubled arrow pointing left in all sizes. Do > you think I should try to rework the bigger sizes, the 16x16 or leave it > as is now? I think now is a bug (and also a bug in the gnome icon theme), so the arrows in all the variant of the icon should point the same directions. I leave up to decide if the direction is only left or both left and right based or may take above of "reply all" not being related to "forward". > I am personally against the trash can for junk mail metaphor (it's too > much easy to confuse with edit-delete, and in Evo these two icons are > next to each other so it would be really confusing, IMHO)... Even if it > were with envelope. Note that oxygen uses throwing envelope into trash > can for mail-junk and totally different metaphor for mail-notjunk which > is confusing. So I again reused the gnome metaphor. Maybe I could add an > envelope to the 256x256 so that I could make the crumpled paper smaller > (and looking subjectively more detailed)... What do you think? I think the 256x256 version of this particular icon will not be used in the foreseeable future so it is important how it look at the toolbar size (24x24/22x22). >> That is a nice touch (the cursive writing and all) and the "lorem ipsum" >> is the safest choice. >> As the text is normally unreadable, you can use it as an "Easter egg", >> putting in there anything you want: the description of Fedora mission, >> your favorite cook book recipe, an essay about beer (ups! I forgot you >> don't drink beer :D), some advanced physics, a love letter for someone >> special, etc (tip: open Firefox and type "about:mozilla" in the location >> bar). >> >> I think I would be tempted to go with a funny "Easter egg" myself. >> > If I had good idea what to write there, I'd do it :-D That is I pointed to a few examples. The idea is that you put something funny in there and if/when we discover it later have a good laugh. -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: reply-all.png Type: image/png Size: 18474 bytes Desc: not available URL: From martin.sourada at gmail.com Mon Sep 15 11:54:54 2008 From: martin.sourada at gmail.com (Martin Sourada) Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 13:54:54 +0200 Subject: [Echo] New mail-* icons (total of eleven icons) In-Reply-To: <48CE486A.4030403@nicubunu.ro> References: <1221342104.3152.47.camel@pc-notebook> <48CE1E5F.8080204@nicubunu.ro> <1221470359.3152.89.camel@pc-notebook> <48CE486A.4030403@nicubunu.ro> Message-ID: <1221479694.3152.101.camel@pc-notebook> On Mon, 2008-09-15 at 14:35 +0300, Nicu Buculei wrote: > Screenshot attached. > > > the point is that you take the original mail and send it over to someone > > else, i.e. forward it, you need not to add another explanatory mail to > > that - thus the combination of forward arrow and one mail envelope. > > I have to disagree. "Reply all" will send the reply to all people listed > in TO: or CC: (is kind of a primitive mailing list substitute), all the > people receiving your reply already have the original email. You don't > send the message to any new address (thus it does not involve anything > like forward). > > These days, the most common usage for "reply all" is when a mailing list > does not se the Reply-to header and when using a plain "reply" button > your message is sent only to the original sender, not also to the list. > So you have to use "Reply all" to send it both to the original sender > and to the list. > Aah, I see your point now. Since you talked about forward, I misunderstood what you were talking about (I thought you were arguing about having two envelopes for the mail-forward not for mail-all). Sorry about that. I'll try that version to see how it would look in echo style - for the 16x16 it's IMHO ok to have the two arrows instead of two envelopes due to size constraints, we're just duplicating the only available object and in context of other 16x16 icons it's IMHO easily recognisable enough. > I think now is a bug (and also a bug in the gnome icon theme), so the > arrows in all the variant of the icon should point the same directions. > I leave up to decide if the direction is only left or both left and > right based or may take above of "reply all" not being related to "forward". > I believe I get why they choose to do it that way - with envelope, having two arrows pointing the same directions looks a bit odd, without envelope having the arrows pointing in opposite directions looks odd. I would not call it a bug, just a limitations of design. > > I am personally against the trash can for junk mail metaphor (it's too > > much easy to confuse with edit-delete, and in Evo these two icons are > > next to each other so it would be really confusing, IMHO)... Even if it > > were with envelope. Note that oxygen uses throwing envelope into trash > > can for mail-junk and totally different metaphor for mail-notjunk which > > is confusing. So I again reused the gnome metaphor. Maybe I could add an > > envelope to the 256x256 so that I could make the crumpled paper smaller > > (and looking subjectively more detailed)... What do you think? > > I think the 256x256 version of this particular icon will not be used in > the foreseeable future so it is important how it look at the toolbar > size (24x24/22x22). > Ah, totally forgot about that :-D. We can improve the 256x256 one when we have more time... In toolbar size it looks IMHO good. > > If I had good idea what to write there, I'd do it :-D > > That is I pointed to a few examples. The idea is that you put something > funny in there and if/when we discover it later have a good laugh. > The difference between having topic to write about and actually write about it is pretty big (especially if you'd like to make it an Easter egg)... If you feel like you can think up something, feel free to update the icon ;-) Martin -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 197 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From martin.sourada at gmail.com Mon Sep 15 12:16:32 2008 From: martin.sourada at gmail.com (Martin Sourada) Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 14:16:32 +0200 Subject: [Echo] New mail-* icons (total of eleven icons) In-Reply-To: <1221479694.3152.101.camel@pc-notebook> References: <1221342104.3152.47.camel@pc-notebook> <48CE1E5F.8080204@nicubunu.ro> <1221470359.3152.89.camel@pc-notebook> <48CE486A.4030403@nicubunu.ro> <1221479694.3152.101.camel@pc-notebook> Message-ID: <1221480992.3152.110.camel@pc-notebook> On Mon, 2008-09-15 at 13:54 +0200, Martin Sourada wrote: > about that. I'll try that version to see how it would look in echo style > - for the 16x16 it's IMHO ok to have the two arrows instead of two > envelopes due to size constraints, we're just duplicating the only > available object and in context of other 16x16 icons it's IMHO easily > recognisable enough. Indeed, it IMHO looks much better than having two arrows... Check the attached PNG. Many thanks for the tip :-) Martin References: [1] http://mso.fedorapeople.org/echo/Actions/mail-reply-all.png [2] http://mso.fedorapeople.org/echo/Actions/mail-reply-all.svg [3] http://mso.fedorapeople.org/echo/Actions/mail-all.gif -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: mail-reply-all.png Type: image/png Size: 37127 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Ray Strode and others have left loads of good callback hooks and helper functions so the possibilities of plugins are pretty limitless. From martin.sourada at gmail.com Mon Sep 15 14:21:13 2008 From: martin.sourada at gmail.com (Martin Sourada) Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 16:21:13 +0200 Subject: [Echo] New mail-* icons for the Status context (total of six icons) In-Reply-To: <1221487668.3152.121.camel@pc-notebook> References: <1221487668.3152.121.camel@pc-notebook> Message-ID: <1221488473.3152.123.camel@pc-notebook> On Mon, 2008-09-15 at 16:07 +0200, Martin Sourada wrote: > Hi, > > I've just finished another batch of mail-* icons, this time for the > Status context. They're based either on gnome metaphors, or, in case of > mail-signed(-verified), where I feel the gnome metaphor is hard to > recognise, on current design. I've also checked tango and oxygen icons > for reference, but the metaphors are generally very similar, if not > exactly same. All the icons are available at my fedora people page [1]. > > Comments welcome, > Martin > > References: > [1] http://mso.fedorapeople.org/echo/Status/ I just uploaded a slide-show gif: http://mso.fedorapeople.org/echo/Status/mail-all.gif Martin -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 197 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From nisses.mail at home.se Mon Sep 15 14:49:41 2008 From: nisses.mail at home.se (Andreas Nilsson) Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 16:49:41 +0200 Subject: [Echo] New mail-* icons (total of eleven icons) In-Reply-To: <48CE486A.4030403@nicubunu.ro> References: <1221342104.3152.47.camel@pc-notebook> <48CE1E5F.8080204@nicubunu.ro> <1221470359.3152.89.camel@pc-notebook> <48CE486A.4030403@nicubunu.ro> Message-ID: <48CE7605.5060603@home.se> Nicu Buculei wrote: > Martin Sourada wrote: >> On Mon, 2008-09-15 at 11:35 +0300, Nicu Buculei wrote: >>> You have two icons, one pointing left (reply) and another pointing >>> right (forward). Not sure the likeness to the forward operation is >>> wise. >>> Here is how this icon looks in the default Thunderbird theme: the >>> same back arrow as for "reply" but *two* envelopes (you reply by >>> using more than one mail) - but this may not work at 16x16, here you >>> do not display the envelope. >>> >> I use Evolution so I am quite used to the current Echo icons which use >> (the 24x24 variants are displayed there) the same metaphor I used here. >> It's the same with Gnome icon theme, though they do not use straight >> arrows. It's further distinguished by colour (same colours like in gnome >> to keep consistent with them). Also the mail-forward bears now some >> likeness to forward, which is IMHO good. I also checked oxygen icons and >> they also use same metaphot. >> >> I personally would think a little bit at loss at the meaning of the >> Thunderbird icon, as you describe it. Basically when you forward a mail > > Screenshot attached. > >> the point is that you take the original mail and send it over to someone >> else, i.e. forward it, you need not to add another explanatory mail to >> that - thus the combination of forward arrow and one mail envelope. > > I have to disagree. "Reply all" will send the reply to all people > listed in TO: or CC: (is kind of a primitive mailing list substitute), > all the people receiving your reply already have the original email. > You don't send the message to any new address (thus it does not > involve anything like forward). > > These days, the most common usage for "reply all" is when a mailing > list does not se the Reply-to header and when using a plain "reply" > button your message is sent only to the original sender, not also to > the list. So you have to use "Reply all" to send it both to the > original sender and to the list. > >> However having two envelopes and one "reply" arrow seem to me more like >> replying to more than one e-mail at once (sometimes might be an useful >> feature :-D)... But come to think of it, it might be useful to have both >> ltr and rtl variants (sadly enough nothing supports it for these icons) >> since the directions of arrows have opposite symbolic meaning in rtl... >> >> But thanks for the suggestion :) >> >>> Note: I think it is a mistake that the 16x16 icon has both of the >>> arrows pointing left (back), unlike the other sizes. The set should >>> be consistent internally. >>> >> I just followed the example set by gnome icon theme - they use arrows >> pointing in both directions in bigger sizes and arrows pointing only >> left in 16x16. Oxygen uses doubled arrow pointing left in all sizes. Do >> you think I should try to rework the bigger sizes, the 16x16 or leave it >> as is now? > > I think now is a bug (and also a bug in the gnome icon theme), so the > arrows in all the variant of the icon should point the same directions. > I leave up to decide if the direction is only left or both left and > right based or may take above of "reply all" not being related to > "forward". Totally agree that this is inconsistent and bad. I like your ideas a lot better. Did you file a bug against gnome-icon-theme already, or should I do that? I'm also going to see if it's possible to get rid of some of the envelope noise in the evolution message list, right now it uses a icon for every single state, and all of them are envelopes. Just makes things look cluttered. - Andreas From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Mon Sep 15 15:34:51 2008 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 18:34:51 +0300 Subject: [Echo] New mail-* icons (total of eleven icons) In-Reply-To: <48CE7605.5060603@home.se> References: <1221342104.3152.47.camel@pc-notebook> <48CE1E5F.8080204@nicubunu.ro> <1221470359.3152.89.camel@pc-notebook> <48CE486A.4030403@nicubunu.ro> <48CE7605.5060603@home.se> Message-ID: <48CE809B.5090401@nicubunu.ro> Andreas Nilsson wrote: > Nicu Buculei wrote: >> I think now is a bug (and also a bug in the gnome icon theme), so the >> arrows in all the variant of the icon should point the same directions. >> I leave up to decide if the direction is only left or both left and >> right based or may take above of "reply all" not being related to >> "forward". > Totally agree that this is inconsistent and bad. I like your ideas a lot > better. > Did you file a bug against gnome-icon-theme already, or should I do that? No, I didn't fill the bug in GNOME as a Thunderbird user myself I wasn't aware of the problem until now. > I'm also going to see if it's possible to get rid of some of the > envelope noise in the evolution message list, right now it uses a icon > for every single state, and all of them are envelopes. Just makes things > look cluttered. -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Mon Sep 15 15:32:46 2008 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 18:32:46 +0300 Subject: Plymouth animated startup In-Reply-To: <48CE6E64.8020808@brej.org> References: <48CC12DC.900@brej.org> <48CE2012.50301@nicubunu.ro> <48CE6E64.8020808@brej.org> Message-ID: <48CE801E.5010500@nicubunu.ro> Charlie Brej wrote: > Nicu Buculei wrote: >> Charlie Brej wrote: >>> In Fedora 10 there will be a new graphical startup program replacing >>> RHGB[1]. Its called Plymouth and it starts even earlier than rhgb. >> >> I understand you are at least a bit familiar with the way Plymouth >> works, all of us could use some pointers, can you add a few >> words/links to the ThemingOverview page? >> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/ThemingOverview#Plymouth > > Done. Ray Strode and others have left loads of good callback hooks and > helper functions so the possibilities of plugins are pretty limitless. That is a good start, but look at the other entries in the table, they have listed file names, image resolutions, locations and so on, something a designer can easily parse and check. I understand the design based on plug-ins allow a lot of freedom, but maybe some specs for the default plugin? -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From fedora-art at brej.org Mon Sep 15 15:55:19 2008 From: fedora-art at brej.org (Charlie Brej) Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 16:55:19 +0100 Subject: Plymouth animated startup In-Reply-To: <48CE801E.5010500@nicubunu.ro> References: <48CC12DC.900@brej.org> <48CE2012.50301@nicubunu.ro> <48CE6E64.8020808@brej.org> <48CE801E.5010500@nicubunu.ro> Message-ID: <48CE8567.3000209@brej.org> Nicu Buculei wrote: > Charlie Brej wrote: >> Nicu Buculei wrote: >>> Charlie Brej wrote: >>>> In Fedora 10 there will be a new graphical startup program replacing >>>> RHGB[1]. Its called Plymouth and it starts even earlier than rhgb. >>> >>> I understand you are at least a bit familiar with the way Plymouth >>> works, all of us could use some pointers, can you add a few >>> words/links to the ThemingOverview page? >>> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/ThemingOverview#Plymouth >> >> Done. Ray Strode and others have left loads of good callback hooks and >> helper functions so the possibilities of plugins are pretty limitless. > > That is a good start, but look at the other entries in the table, they > have listed file names, image resolutions, locations and so on, > something a designer can easily parse and check. > > I understand the design based on plug-ins allow a lot of freedom, but > maybe some specs for the default plugin? > Yeah, the problem is that the resolution can be anything from 320x240 to 1600x1200 at any ratio. The default plugins do not take a default image as they just use the fedora logo from /usr/share/pixmaps/fedora-logo.png. No other theme images are used and they can be any size we like. I am just working on a function to change the size of images so we include one and then stretch it to the resolution of the screen. If you want to pick a decent size for the image to use as a basis for the stretched images then that would be good. Also decide on whether we have a 5:4 image which has top and bottom cropped, or a 16:9 with left/right cropped. From luya at fedoraproject.org Mon Sep 15 20:38:29 2008 From: luya at fedoraproject.org (Luya Tshimbalanga) Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 13:38:29 -0700 Subject: Updated Nicu post on Fedora Forum In-Reply-To: <1221296092.48cb7fdcc3b26@ssl.mecca.ca> References: <1221296092.48cb7fdcc3b26@ssl.mecca.ca> Message-ID: <48CEC7C5.8070209@fedoraproject.org> Some feedback from french community about the theme: http://forums.fedora-fr.org/viewtopic.php?id=35450 You can view the google translation (so weird) as I don't have time to do so: http://translate.google.ca/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fforums.fedora-fr.org%2Fviewtopic.php%3Fid%3D35450&sl=fr&tl=en&hl=fr&ie=UTF-8 It appears Solar is the favourite followed by InvinXble (some users suggested to remove katana). Gears came last somewhat due to dislike of retro theme from some users. Luya From martin.sourada at gmail.com Mon Sep 15 20:49:59 2008 From: martin.sourada at gmail.com (Martin Sourada) Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 22:49:59 +0200 Subject: Updated Nicu post on Fedora Forum In-Reply-To: <48CEC7C5.8070209@fedoraproject.org> References: <1221296092.48cb7fdcc3b26@ssl.mecca.ca> <48CEC7C5.8070209@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <1221511799.3428.6.camel@pc-notebook> On Mon, 2008-09-15 at 13:38 -0700, Luya Tshimbalanga wrote: > Some feedback from french community about the theme: > http://forums.fedora-fr.org/viewtopic.php?id=35450 > > You can view the google translation (so weird) as I don't have time to > do so: > http://translate.google.ca/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fforums.fedora-fr.org%2Fviewtopic.php%3Fid%3D35450&sl=fr&tl=en&hl=fr&ie=UTF-8 > > It appears Solar is the favourite followed by InvinXble (some users > suggested to > remove katana). Gears came last somewhat due to dislike of retro theme > from some users. > > Luya > I can add that from what I heard from various people on FUDCon they also seemed to like Solar the most (though the universal comment about *all* the proposals is that they are awesome). Samuele indeed done a great work... BTW. I wonder, whether I should vote on FedoraForum as well, I don't linger there much lately, but in past I was a pretty active part of that community ;-) Martin -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 197 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From michael.d.beckwith at gmail.com Tue Sep 16 03:52:10 2008 From: michael.d.beckwith at gmail.com (Michael Beckwith) Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 22:52:10 -0500 Subject: F10 Theme proposals Message-ID: <48CF2D6A.1010203@gmail.com> This is an idea that came up by someone in #fedora-social. How about, no matter which of the 4 themes wins and becomes "default", they all go on the default install and are available to those who's favorite didn't "win" the default slot. I think this would be a good idea and a good nod to everyone's hard work, and an acknowledgement of the fact. I realize size can be an issue, especially in the live CD image area, and I'm not quite sure how to get around that issue, but with the DVD installs, there's likely going to be plenty of room available. Thoughts? Issues? -- ~Michael http://michaelbox.net From gort.klaatu at gmail.com Tue Sep 16 04:10:40 2008 From: gort.klaatu at gmail.com (Klaatu) Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 21:10:40 -0700 Subject: F10 Theme proposals In-Reply-To: <48CF2D6A.1010203@gmail.com> References: <48CF2D6A.1010203@gmail.com> Message-ID: i think it's a good idea because i'm really impressed with all the themes that have come this far. i would love to have all at my (easily accessed) disposal. of course, as you say, size is probably an issue and I have no clue about that sort of logistics. - klaatu On Mon, Sep 15, 2008 at 8:52 PM, Michael Beckwith < michael.d.beckwith at gmail.com> wrote: > This is an idea that came up by someone in #fedora-social. How about, no > matter which of the 4 themes wins and becomes "default", they all go on the > default install and are available to those who's favorite didn't "win" the > default slot. 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How about, no matter which of the 4 themes wins and becomes "default", they all go on the default install and are available to those who's favorite didn't "win" the default slot. I think this would be a good idea and a good nod to everyone's hard work, and an acknowledgement of the fact. > > I realize size can be an issue, especially in the live CD image area, and I'm not quite sure how to get around that issue, but with the DVD installs, there's likely going to be plenty of room available. > > Thoughts? Issues? > > -- > ~Michael > http://michaelbox.net > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list > > > > -- > --- > uzu linukso. subtenu libera programaro. > kotizu al http://www.thebadapples.info/ogg.xml > http://www.thebadapples.info/fedorareloaded/ogg.xml _________________________________________________________________ Get in touch with your inner athlete. Take the quiz. http://yourinnerathlete.windowslive.com?locale=en-my&ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WLYIA_takequiz_my From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Tue Sep 16 07:54:21 2008 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2008 10:54:21 +0300 Subject: F10 Theme proposals In-Reply-To: <48CF2D6A.1010203@gmail.com> References: <48CF2D6A.1010203@gmail.com> Message-ID: <48CF662D.1090102@nicubunu.ro> Michael Beckwith wrote: > This is an idea that came up by someone in #fedora-social. How about, no > matter which of the 4 themes wins and becomes "default", they all go on > the default install and are available to those who's favorite didn't > "win" the default slot. I think this would be a good idea and a good nod > to everyone's hard work, and an acknowledgement of the fact. That won't work as a "theme" is more than a "wallpaper". We can include a few wallpapers and let the user change them, but can't do that for Anaconda, GRUB, Syslinux, GDM, DE splashes and so. > I realize size can be an issue, especially in the live CD image area, > and I'm not quite sure how to get around that issue, but with the DVD > installs, there's likely going to be plenty of room available. You probably know Martin started a Wallpaper Extras gallery, so they could so in there (it is till time to propose that package for F10?) -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From luya_tfz at thefinalzone.com Tue Sep 16 10:11:28 2008 From: luya_tfz at thefinalzone.com (Luya Tshimbalanga) Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2008 06:11:28 -0400 Subject: [Ech0] Features for Fedora 10 Beta Message-ID: <1221559888.48cf8650461b7@ssl.mecca.ca> Just got message about Features/echo-icon-theme[1]. I included the change we did during that time[2] on the wiki. If there is something missing on wiki, feel free to update it. Although some icons are missing, Echo shoud be testable enough for F10 Beta. Comments are welcome. References: ----------- [1]http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2008-September/msg01471.html [2]https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/EchoIconTheme -- Luya Tshimbalanga Fedora Project contributor http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/LuyaTshimbalanga From nisses.mail at home.se Tue Sep 16 12:15:50 2008 From: nisses.mail at home.se (Andreas Nilsson) Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2008 14:15:50 +0200 Subject: [Ech0] Features for Fedora 10 Beta In-Reply-To: <1221559888.48cf8650461b7@ssl.mecca.ca> References: <1221559888.48cf8650461b7@ssl.mecca.ca> Message-ID: <48CFA376.9010306@home.se> Luya Tshimbalanga wrote: > Just got message about Features/echo-icon-theme[1]. > I included the change we did during that time[2] on the wiki. If there is > something missing on wiki, feel free to update it. Although some icons are > missing, Echo shoud be testable enough for F10 Beta. Comments are welcome. > > References: > ----------- > [1]http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2008-September/msg01471.html > [2]https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/EchoIconTheme > Would it be suitable to mention on the wiki under Benefits where it says: "A unique set of icon that combines elegance and usability." That it will also mean a drawback in terms of integration on Fedora for 3rd party developers such as Mozilla [1], Medsphere [2] and VMWare [3]? 1. http://www.mozilla.com/ 2. http://medsphere.com/ 3. http://vmware.com/ - Andreas From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Tue Sep 16 13:22:16 2008 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2008 16:22:16 +0300 Subject: [Ech0] Features for Fedora 10 Beta In-Reply-To: <48CFA376.9010306@home.se> References: <1221559888.48cf8650461b7@ssl.mecca.ca> <48CFA376.9010306@home.se> Message-ID: <48CFB308.8060308@nicubunu.ro> Andreas Nilsson wrote: > Would it be suitable to mention on the wiki under Benefits where it says: > "A unique set of icon that combines elegance and usability." > That it will also mean a drawback in terms of integration on Fedora for > 3rd party developers such as Mozilla [1], Medsphere [2] and VMWare [3]? * VMware is closed source software, outside of the Fedora mission, so it does not matter; * I doubt that Medsphere OpenVista should be a blocker, it does not like a software I would recommend to be run on Fedora; * by Mozilla I guess you mean Firefox, as Thunderbird and Seamonkey do not use the GNOME icon theme anyway. After covering the base icons, I think the most obvious goal for Echo is to cover the Firefox icons. I don't think integration with 3rd party applications should be a concern, otherwise we are going to a slippery slope and may get to think about consistency with Windows icons (via Wine). -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Tue Sep 16 14:29:36 2008 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2008 17:29:36 +0300 Subject: Game graphics needed - Project: Starfighter Message-ID: <48CFC2D0.2060102@nicubunu.ro> Maybe some of you are familiar with a game named Project: Starfighter[1], a shoot 'em up whcih used to be part of Fedora (it is still available in Fedora 9 - use "yum install starfighter"): [1] http://www.parallelrealities.co.uk/starfighter.php Unfortunately, this game is not entirely free, it uses some non-free data files (mostly graphics, music and sounds) so it was temporarily pulled from Fedora, until those graphics are replaced. Hans de Goede, from the Games SIG[2], contacted me and asked for help: while the music and sounds can be replaced with free equivalents from other games, there is a need for new graphics. [2] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/Games I persuaded Hans to file a request in the DesignService queue[3] and to make the data available in an usable format[4] (it uses to be in a .pak file which needed special tools to open). [3] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/DesignService#Graphics_for_the_game_starfighter [4] http://people.atrpms.net/~hdegoede/starfighter-data.tar.gz Now what's needed from us: the tarball contains a "gfx" directory, with a number of PNG images. Among those are some which need to be replaced: character portraits and starfighter (and other spacecraft) images. I have to witness that this is not my favorite game genre (I can't play 5 minutes before getting bored) and also I don't have experience in that particular drawing style (pixel level tweaking in a raster editor), so probably I won't do much for it (maybe I'll try some portraits). So if anyone like this game and/or that style of graphics, this may be a fun project and a noble goal (freeing a game). -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From sstorari at byte-code.com Tue Sep 16 14:53:03 2008 From: sstorari at byte-code.com (Samuele Storari) Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2008 16:53:03 +0200 (CEST) Subject: Solar & InvinXble Updates In-Reply-To: <587522594.2181221576620562.JavaMail.root@mail.byte-code.com> Message-ID: <519059584.2201221576783337.JavaMail.root@mail.byte-code.com> Hi all! Here we are again... I've uploaded on the wiki all the requested materiale for Fedora 10 Theme. U find all here: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/F10Themes/Solar https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/F10Themes/InvinXble So guys I need some feedback and overall I need to know if something still missing from my purpose. Thanks Samuele Ps: what about votation? Rules? When it will starts? Re - Thanks Samuele -- Samuele Storari Art Director Byte-Code srl mobile: +39 347 50 798 32 office: +39 02 9840047 http://www.byte-code.com From br4in5t0rmm at gmail.com Tue Sep 16 14:53:21 2008 From: br4in5t0rmm at gmail.com (Erick Henrique) Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2008 11:53:21 -0300 Subject: Game graphics needed - Project: Starfighter In-Reply-To: <48CFC2D0.2060102@nicubunu.ro> References: <48CFC2D0.2060102@nicubunu.ro> Message-ID: <67d66b7b0809160753j6f1b679er823bd9b921b74347@mail.gmail.com> Hi Nicu I go yumwload this game and to test. I am interested for creation of art for open games. Who knows I can help. |||||||||||||||||||| |||||(o.o)||||| |||||||||||||||||||| Erick Goes On Tue, Sep 16, 2008 at 11:29 AM, Nicu Buculei wrote: > Maybe some of you are familiar with a game named Project: Starfighter[1], a > shoot 'em up whcih used to be part of Fedora (it is still available in > Fedora 9 - use "yum install starfighter"): > > [1] http://www.parallelrealities.co.uk/starfighter.php > > Unfortunately, this game is not entirely free, it uses some non-free data > files (mostly graphics, music and sounds) so it was temporarily pulled from > Fedora, until those graphics are replaced. > Hans de Goede, from the Games SIG[2], contacted me and asked for help: > while the music and sounds can be replaced with free equivalents from other > games, there is a need for new graphics. > > [2] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/Games > > I persuaded Hans to file a request in the DesignService queue[3] and to > make the data available in an usable format[4] (it uses to be in a .pak file > which needed special tools to open). > > [3] > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/DesignService#Graphics_for_the_game_starfighter > [4] http://people.atrpms.net/~hdegoede/starfighter-data.tar.gz > > Now what's needed from us: the tarball contains a "gfx" directory, with a > number of PNG images. Among those are some which need to be replaced: > character portraits and starfighter (and other spacecraft) images. > > I have to witness that this is not my favorite game genre (I can't play 5 > minutes before getting bored) and also I don't have experience in that > particular drawing style (pixel level tweaking in a raster editor), so > probably I won't do much for it (maybe I'll try some portraits). > > So if anyone like this game and/or that style of graphics, this may be a > fun project and a noble goal (freeing a game). > > -- > nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com > Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ > Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org > my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list > -- http://www.projetofedora.org http://www.mytoons.com/br4in *********************************************** DESIGN LIVRE *********************************************** <> -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Also process-stop is currently also using an icon that is very much similar to already established metaphors for dialog-cancel... So after a lot of though I decided to leave the icons that are already in echo with (nearly) untouched metaphor, for process-stop use the same metaphor as uses gnome-icon-theme, for dialog-apply use same as for dialog-ok, but in blue instead of green, for dialog-no used some sort of "this way is blocked" kind of metaphor and for dialog-yes used "no" metaphor (could be interpreted as some sort of "this way is open" kind of metaphor). Check my fedorapeople page [1] to know what I am trying to talk about... Suggestions, especially those leading to better metaphor usage, are welcome, from a design point of view, I am pretty much satisfied with those icons. Martin References: [1] http://mso.fedorapeople.org/echo/Actions/ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I think it is OK if you want to go with a completely different graphic style, the downside would be that the graphics have to be consistent, so you would have to remake all the images. However, I am not sure how to put the graphics back in the .pak file for testing, so I add Hans on CC, maybe he can give some insight. Note for Hans: [nicu at hell]$ file starfighter.pak starfighter.pak: Quake I or II world or extension > On Tue, Sep 16, 2008 at 11:29 AM, Nicu Buculei wrote: > > Maybe some of you are familiar with a game named Project: > Starfighter[1], a shoot 'em up whcih used to be part of Fedora (it > is still available in Fedora 9 - use "yum install starfighter"): > > [1] http://www.parallelrealities.co.uk/starfighter.php > > Unfortunately, this game is not entirely free, it uses some non-free > data files (mostly graphics, music and sounds) so it was temporarily > pulled from Fedora, until those graphics are replaced. > Hans de Goede, from the Games SIG[2], contacted me and asked for > help: while the music and sounds can be replaced with free > equivalents from other games, there is a need for new graphics. > > [2] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/Games > > I persuaded Hans to file a request in the DesignService queue[3] and > to make the data available in an usable format[4] (it uses to be in > a .pak file which needed special tools to open). > > [3] > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/DesignService#Graphics_for_the_game_starfighter > [4] http://people.atrpms.net/~hdegoede/starfighter-data.tar.gz > > > Now what's needed from us: the tarball contains a "gfx" directory, > with a number of PNG images. Among those are some which need to be > replaced: character portraits and starfighter (and other spacecraft) > images. > > I have to witness that this is not my favorite game genre (I can't > play 5 minutes before getting bored) and also I don't have > experience in that particular drawing style (pixel level tweaking in > a raster editor), so probably I won't do much for it (maybe I'll try > some portraits). > > So if anyone like this game and/or that style of graphics, this may > be a fun project and a noble goal (freeing a game). -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From martin.sourada at gmail.com Tue Sep 16 15:20:29 2008 From: martin.sourada at gmail.com (Martin Sourada) Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2008 17:20:29 +0200 Subject: Solar & InvinXble Updates In-Reply-To: <519059584.2201221576783337.JavaMail.root@mail.byte-code.com> References: <519059584.2201221576783337.JavaMail.root@mail.byte-code.com> Message-ID: <1221578429.3187.25.camel@pc-notebook> On Tue, 2008-09-16 at 16:53 +0200, Samuele Storari wrote: > Hi all! > > Here we are again... > I've uploaded on the wiki all the requested materiale for Fedora 10 Theme. > > U find all here: > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/F10Themes/Solar > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/F10Themes/InvinXble > > So guys I need some feedback and overall I need to know if something still missing from my purpose. > Thanks > > Samuele > > > Ps: what about votation? Rules? When it will starts? > > Re - Thanks > Samuele > Great, I'll update the wallpaper packages to contain more versions (though I won't probably include yet the dual-screen wallpapers). ;-) One comment though: the widescreen wallpapers are indeed 1920x1200, as you have fixed, but it actually corresponds to 16:10 ratio, not 16:9. I know it because I myself have laptop with widescreen display and widescreen movies have black stripes at top and bottom ;-) But you can easily count the ratio by using math (1920 is actually 16 \times 120). Anyway, great work on both themes. Oh, and I suggest you use for printer the other icon from devices context - it better fits with the rest. http://git.fedorahosted.org/git/?p=echo-icon-theme;a=blob_plain;f=base/48x48/devices/printer.png;hb=HEAD http://git.fedorahosted.org/git/?p=echo-icon-theme;a=blob_plain;f=sources/base/one-canvas/devices/printer.svg;hb=HEAD Martin -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I feel proud about myself. > > [1] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/F10Themes/Neon > Hi Michael, I noticed you updated the wallpapers and the daylight changes. Do you want me to update the wallpaper package now, or should I wait for 16:10 and 4:3 size variants? Thanks, Martin -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Finding good metaphors > for those icons is hard, because dialog-{no,cancel} I usually associated > with the same metaphor(s), in gtk stock icons gtk-no is just red globe > and is too much similar to media-record. Next dialog-{yes,ok,apply} also > are associated with same metaphor and in gtk stock icons the gtk-yes is > just green globe, which works better than the red globe for gtk-no... > Also process-stop is currently also using an icon that is very much > similar to already established metaphors for dialog-cancel... > Matthew Paul Thomas suggested at one point that gtk-yes and gtk-no should picture dead kittens, as 99 % of the dialogs that use gtk-yes and gtk-no should use proper verbs for the buttons instead. (If you see one that does, please help save humanity by filing a bug :) ) The reason we decided to stay with the red and green balls in GKT+ is because of how I've seen the symbols being (mis)used in applications. A lot of time these are used to indicate on and off states and other weird things. > > So after a lot of though I decided to leave the icons that are already > in echo with (nearly) untouched metaphor, for process-stop use the same > metaphor as uses gnome-icon-theme, for dialog-apply use same as for > dialog-ok, but in blue instead of green, for dialog-no used some sort of > "this way is blocked" kind of metaphor and for dialog-yes used "no" > metaphor (could be interpreted as some sort of "this way is open" kind > of metaphor). > Stop and Cancel are in most situations pretty much the same thing. - Andreas From u0103a at gmail.com Tue Sep 16 15:55:16 2008 From: u0103a at gmail.com (jude ui) Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2008 11:55:16 -0400 Subject: hi Message-ID: <91157db90809160855o2fd0c368y6d3287ce9c6f7752@mail.gmail.com> hi -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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It wouldn't be possible to use the themes that won't be selected for the next distributions? -- Paolo Leoni ~ http://pleoni.altervista.org GPG fingerprint: DAD1 6419 D42B 0B1C D9E1 A9CB 4587 4812 17F7 F764 From michael.d.beckwith at gmail.com Tue Sep 16 16:31:39 2008 From: michael.d.beckwith at gmail.com (Michael Beckwith) Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2008 11:31:39 -0500 Subject: Neon update. In-Reply-To: <1221578593.3187.29.camel@pc-notebook> References: <48CDA98C.3050500@gmail.com> <1221578593.3187.29.camel@pc-notebook> Message-ID: <48CFDF6B.7040700@gmail.com> Martin Sourada wrote: > On Sun, 2008-09-14 at 19:17 -0500, Michael Beckwith wrote: > >> I've been recently working on the graphics and trying to gather up all >> of the needed items. So far, I have all that I have available posted on >> the official proposal page[1]. I know that I have SysLinux Splash + GRUB >> left to do. Anything else? I'd really like to see these get even more >> refined and detailed, if Neon gets selected. If not selected, then kudos >> to the theme that did work. I'm already happy with Neon and that I >> pushed it this far. I feel proud about myself. >> >> [1] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/F10Themes/Neon >> >> > Hi Michael, > > I noticed you updated the wallpapers and the daylight changes. Do you > want me to update the wallpaper package now, or should I wait for 16:10 > and 4:3 size variants? > > Thanks, > Martin > I'll push those to my fedorapeople pages and send you the link. I didn't want to bog down the wiki page with a lot of huge images. -- ~Michael http://michaelbox.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From martin.sourada at gmail.com Tue Sep 16 17:12:45 2008 From: martin.sourada at gmail.com (Martin Sourada) Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2008 19:12:45 +0200 Subject: Using Fedora Hosted Space for Art Team? Message-ID: <1221585166.3187.35.camel@pc-notebook> Hi, we've briefly discussed with Mo on the irc, that it might be worth setting up a fedorahosted.org instance for the Fedora Art Team. Primary purpose would be to host our release graphics, but it could serve other purposes as well (e.g. using ticket system for design service come to my mind). What do you think about it? Is it worth setting up? What do you think would be good to use it for? Ideas? Comments?...? ;-) Martin -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Luya Reference ------------- [1]https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/EchoIconTheme -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 259 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From michael.d.beckwith at gmail.com Tue Sep 16 16:48:58 2008 From: michael.d.beckwith at gmail.com (Michael Beckwith) Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2008 11:48:58 -0500 Subject: F10 Theme proposals In-Reply-To: <48CFDE3C.20402@gmail.com> References: <48CF2D6A.1010203@gmail.com> <48CF662D.1090102@nicubunu.ro> <48CFDE3C.20402@gmail.com> Message-ID: <48CFE37A.5090907@gmail.com> I'd be happy to see just the wallpaper variants getting in too, since I kind of forgot about the fact that half of the graphics weren't seen after installing. Paolo Leoni wrote: > Nicu Buculei ha scritto: > >> That won't work as a "theme" is more than a "wallpaper". We can include >> a few wallpapers and let the user change them, but can't do that for >> Anaconda, GRUB, Syslinux, GDM, DE splashes and so. >> >> >> You probably know Martin started a Wallpaper Extras gallery, so they >> could so in there (it is till time to propose that package for F10?) >> >> > > I think that the propose of to include all themes would be good because > all themes are really greats, but as told by Nicu, for several reasons > there's need for a unique, default theme. So I think it's necessary to > make a choice. > > It wouldn't be possible to use the themes that won't be selected for the > next distributions? > > -- ~Michael http://michaelbox.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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That may not look as good, I'm not sure, but perhaps it's worth >> a shot. >> > > I think I would like it better if the "bat sign" was less of an in-the-face > Fedora logo, maybe it could be just a cloudy letter "f" or infinity symbol. > > -- > nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com > Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ > Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org > my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list > -- tatica Maria Gracia Leandro http://www.tatica.org http://www.iseit.net http://www.latinux.org http://www.latinux.com http://www.fedora-ve.org http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/MariaLeandro LinuxUser= 440285 GPG Public Key: E1CDCC56 "Be yourself... Don't be anyone else" -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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You can start the page yourself or I can help > with that. > > I think it is OK if you want to go with a completely different graphic > style, the downside would be that the graphics have to be consistent, so you > would have to remake all the images. > > However, I am not sure how to put the graphics back in the .pak file for > testing, so I add Hans on CC, maybe he can give some insight. > > Note for Hans: > [nicu at hell]$ file starfighter.pak > starfighter.pak: Quake I or II world or extension > Hi Hans Then, we need to redesign all the graphs of the game and will use in a version 100% free under GPL, including the sounds and music. Correct? I go to unpack the archive starfighter.pak and to study a form of I redesign everything in a new style. You could create wiki for me, please, Nicu. Who more goes helping in them in this mission? =) For example, joining the archives of sound and musics that will substitute the originals of the Starfighter project. I will make the drawings. Hugs Erick Goes > > > On Tue, Sep 16, 2008 at 11:29 AM, Nicu Buculei wrote: >> >> Maybe some of you are familiar with a game named Project: >> Starfighter[1], a shoot 'em up whcih used to be part of Fedora (it >> is still available in Fedora 9 - use "yum install starfighter"): >> >> [1] http://www.parallelrealities.co.uk/starfighter.php >> >> Unfortunately, this game is not entirely free, it uses some non-free >> data files (mostly graphics, music and sounds) so it was temporarily >> pulled from Fedora, until those graphics are replaced. >> Hans de Goede, from the Games SIG[2], contacted me and asked for >> help: while the music and sounds can be replaced with free >> equivalents from other games, there is a need for new graphics. >> >> [2] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/Games >> >> I persuaded Hans to file a request in the DesignService queue[3] and >> to make the data available in an usable format[4] (it uses to be in >> a .pak file which needed special tools to open). >> >> [3] >> >> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/DesignService#Graphics_for_the_game_starfighter >> [4] http://people.atrpms.net/~hdegoede/starfighter-data.tar.gz >> >> >> Now what's needed from us: the tarball contains a "gfx" directory, >> with a number of PNG images. Among those are some which need to be >> replaced: character portraits and starfighter (and other spacecraft) >> images. >> >> I have to witness that this is not my favorite game genre (I can't >> play 5 minutes before getting bored) and also I don't have >> experience in that particular drawing style (pixel level tweaking in >> a raster editor), so probably I won't do much for it (maybe I'll try >> some portraits). >> >> So if anyone like this game and/or that style of graphics, this may >> be a fun project and a noble goal (freeing a game). >> > > -- > nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com > Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ > Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org > my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list > -- http://www.projetofedora.org http://www.mytoons.com/br4in *********************************************** DESIGN LIVRE *********************************************** <> -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Using git to pull and push graphic is a suggestion given > our experience with echo-icon-theme on fedorahosted.org. Doing so also > means to update wiki page on fedoraproject.org. > A modified echo-artist script will be helpful to and hopefully someone > will be interested to develop a frontend version. > > Luya > . I was not suggesting using git (though it would be helpful too), I was suggesting using the space generally (like the ticket system, for releasing official tarbals, etc). But, yeah, if it were set up with git, I'd prepare some set of scripts for that as well :-) Martin -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 197 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From luya at fedoraproject.org Tue Sep 16 19:03:25 2008 From: luya at fedoraproject.org (Luya Tshimbalanga) Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2008 12:03:25 -0700 Subject: Using Fedora Hosted Space for Art Team? In-Reply-To: <1221590991.3187.37.camel@pc-notebook> References: <1221585166.3187.35.camel@pc-notebook> <48CFFDBE.1000607@fedoraproject.org> <1221590991.3187.37.camel@pc-notebook> Message-ID: <48D002FD.2070805@fedoraproject.org> Martin Sourada a ?crit : > I was not suggesting using git (though it would be helpful too), I was > suggesting using the space generally (like the ticket system, for > releasing official tarbals, etc). But, yeah, if it were set up with git, > I'd prepare some set of scripts for that as well :-) > Consider that as complementary suggestion. =) Luya -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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The bent part seems strange, the white > outline has inconsistent width throughout the icon (let inkscape make it > by duplicating the object, putting it bellow, adding an outline to have > desirable look, then transform outline to object and remove any holes). > > Martin 32x32 and 48x48 should be crisp. Top should look fine on 22x22 and the white outline issue has been addressed. Luya -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: object-rotate-left.png Type: image/png Size: 22813 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: object-rotate-left.svg Type: image/svg+xml Size: 47394 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Downloaded from here => http://hawksmont.com/blog/gimp-brushes-fingerprints/ Also the guy that made the brush have his terms of use and is GPL => http://hawksmont.com/blog/photoshop-brushes-terms-of-use/ 2008/9/17 Ignacio Vazquez-Abrams > On Wed, 2008-09-17 at 13:43 +0000, Mar?a Leandro wrote: > > what about this? > > > > http://www.flickr.com/photos/29783372 at N07/2863444874/ > > Where did the fingerprint come from? > > -- > Ignacio Vazquez-Abrams > > PLEASE don't CC me; I'm already subscribed > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list > > -- tatica Maria Gracia Leandro http://www.tatica.org http://www.iseit.net http://www.latinux.org http://www.latinux.com http://www.fedora-ve.org http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/MariaLeandro LinuxUser= 440285 GPG Public Key: E1CDCC56 "Be yourself... 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The bent part seems strange, the white > > outline has inconsistent width throughout the icon (let inkscape make it > > by duplicating the object, putting it bellow, adding an outline to have > > desirable look, then transform outline to object and remove any holes). > > > > Martin > 32x32 and 48x48 should be crisp. Top should look fine on 22x22 and the white > outline issue has been addressed. > > Luya To better explain what I thought (and I also agree with Ignacio's comment) I reworked the 256x256 version. The files you attached seem to be same like in the original mail so my version does not include the fix you talk about. I attach it. Martin -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: object-rotate-left.png Type: image/png Size: 19790 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 259 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From martin.sourada at gmail.com Tue Sep 16 20:49:41 2008 From: martin.sourada at gmail.com (Martin Sourada) Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2008 22:49:41 +0200 Subject: [Echo] New object-rotate-left icon set draft In-Reply-To: <48D01875.9090403@fedoraproject.org> References: <48CFFEBE.1000508@fedoraproject.org> <1221591876.3187.43.camel@pc-notebook> <48D00A61.8020807@fedoraproject.org> <1221595751.20344.3.camel@pc-notebook> <48D01875.9090403@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <1221598181.20344.5.camel@pc-notebook> On Tue, 2008-09-16 at 13:35 -0700, Luya Tshimbalanga wrote: > Martin Sourada a ?crit : > > > > To better explain what I thought (and I also agree with Ignacio's > > comment) I reworked the 256x256 version. The files you attached seem to > > be same like in the original mail so my version does not include the fix > > you talk about. I attach it. > > > > Martin > Here is updated version. Both 22x22 and 16x16 have been modified and > got their trunk shortened. > > Luya > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list The shape is now OK I think. Now that I look at it, for consistency you might want to either make the 256x256 arrow bigger or in other sizes smaller. The 48x48 need some fixes with pixel grid alignment (same place as with your last try), similarly, but to less extent with 32x32. 24x24 would perhaps need further tweaking to look more like the other arrows - it's thicker both than the bigger and lesser sizes. I'd also move it a little to the left and the top part is blurry. The 16x16 seems fine :) Martin -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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The 48x48 need some fixes with pixel grid alignment (same place > as with your last try), similarly, but to less extent with 32x32. 24x24 > would perhaps need further tweaking to look more like the other arrows - > it's thicker both than the bigger and lesser sizes. I'd also move it a > little to the left and the top part is blurry. The 16x16 seems fine :) > > Martin > 256x256 kept the same size. Reduce arrow size for both 48x48 and 32x32 instead. 24x24 got tweaked. Luya -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: object-rotate-left.png Type: image/png Size: 20733 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: object-rotate-left.svg Type: image/svg+xml Size: 60616 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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The 48x48 need some fixes with pixel grid alignment (same place > > as with your last try), similarly, but to less extent with 32x32. 24x24 > > would perhaps need further tweaking to look more like the other arrows - > > it's thicker both than the bigger and lesser sizes. I'd also move it a > > little to the left and the top part is blurry. The 16x16 seems fine :) > > > > Martin > > > 256x256 kept the same size. Reduce arrow size for both 48x48 and 32x32 > instead. > 24x24 got tweaked. > > Luya I attach further tweaks to improve the icon clarity. Martin -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: object-rotate-left.png Type: image/png Size: 20819 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: object-rotate-left.svg Type: image/svg+xml Size: 50213 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Primary > purpose would be to host our release graphics, but it could serve other > purposes as well (e.g. using ticket system for design service come to my > mind). > This has been brought up before (especially the trac repo) in unofficial IRC conversations as a way to actually track all of our work. *I* personally am under the impression that it can help us work faster, instead of worrying about organizing things on the wiki properly (however, you still have the same organizational problems with trac, just maybe not as bad). I'm personally all for the idea, but I knew there were some caveats that we should definitely look into before we even think about proceeding. I'd also like to see Mo's input, of course. -- Ian Weller http://ianweller.org GnuPG fingerprint: E51E 0517 7A92 70A2 4226 B050 87ED 7C97 EFA8 4A36 "Technology is a word that describes something that doesn't work yet." ~ Douglas Adams -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Why settle for something less than "the best" for the next release? -- nicu :: "the glass is always half empty" From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Wed Sep 17 11:01:28 2008 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2008 14:01:28 +0300 Subject: Game graphics needed - Project: Starfighter In-Reply-To: <67d66b7b0809161127g20c6027es13e00e1a943459a0@mail.gmail.com> References: <48CFC2D0.2060102@nicubunu.ro> <67d66b7b0809160753j6f1b679er823bd9b921b74347@mail.gmail.com> <48CFCEF2.30701@nicubunu.ro> <67d66b7b0809161127g20c6027es13e00e1a943459a0@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <48D0E388.9010100@nicubunu.ro> Erick Henrique wrote: > > Hi Hans Erick, AFAIK, Hans is not subscribed to out list, so you may need to add him to CC: (or just use the "reply all" button). > Then, we need to redesign all the graphs of the game and will use in a > version 100% free under GPL, including the sounds and music. Correct? > I go to unpack the archive starfighter.pak and to study a form of I > redesign everything in a new style. Unpack the tar.gz. Is up to you if you want to redo all the graphic set: 176 images, but some are really simple and some are just left-right mirrored. I guess it may be simpler to start from scratch than learning a different style. > You could create wiki for me, please, Nicu. Who more goes helping in > them in this mission? =) https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/Game_Starfighter > For example, joining the archives of sound and musics that will > substitute the originals of the Starfighter project. I will make the > drawings. As I understand, the music and sounds are already taken care of, probably resolved. > Hugs > > Erick Goes -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Wed Sep 17 11:14:13 2008 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2008 14:14:13 +0300 Subject: Need a wall paper for Fedora Security Spin In-Reply-To: <27a6293b0809161113o431d3d7cw8e376240cbc7c46f@mail.gmail.com> References: <48C6139D.40209@redhat.com> <48C9622D.1050703@gmail.com> <1221159783.3039.16.camel@dhcp-100-19-191.bos.redhat.com> <48CA07C3.5080001@nicubunu.ro> <27a6293b0809161113o431d3d7cw8e376240cbc7c46f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <48D0E685.8090203@nicubunu.ro> Mar?a Leandro wrote: > what about this? > > http://www.flickr.com/photos/29783372 at N07/2863444874/ I find funny that I have to remind *you* (someone who does not have English as her native language) that using words (in English or whatever another language) in wallpapers is not a good idea - they are not translatable. -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Wed Sep 17 11:35:05 2008 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2008 14:35:05 +0300 Subject: Using Fedora Hosted Space for Art Team? In-Reply-To: <1221585166.3187.35.camel@pc-notebook> References: <1221585166.3187.35.camel@pc-notebook> Message-ID: <48D0EB69.4040705@nicubunu.ro> Martin Sourada wrote: > > we've briefly discussed with Mo on the irc, that it might be worth > setting up a fedorahosted.org instance for the Fedora Art Team. Primary > purpose would be to host our release graphics, but it could serve other > purposes as well (e.g. using ticket system for design service come to my > mind). It is about released graphics, like a history and a place where one can find the graphics from previous releases *or* a place where to upload proposals and work-in progress for the next release? If we are using only the wiki from there (Trac), what is the advantage over using the main wiki? The disadvantage would be poorer discoverability and a need to know a second wiki syntax. Do you propose using the ticket system for things like the DesignService queue? > What do you think about it? Is it worth setting up? What do you think > would be good to use it for? Ideas? Comments?...? ;-) I am strongly against something which would raise the barrier to entry, so a NO-NO would be to require git to upload sketches (proposals) for the upcoming release. Here is another scenario: we have something like a poster or T-shirt design and upload it to fedorahosted. If someone want to include it in a marketing page from the main Fedora wiki, what is he supposed to do? - duplicate the image to fp.o/wiki - hotlink the image - do not inlcude the image, only a link to it -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From tatadbb at gmail.com Wed Sep 17 13:01:17 2008 From: tatadbb at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Mar=EDa_Leandro?=) Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2008 08:31:17 +1930 Subject: Need a wall paper for Fedora Security Spin In-Reply-To: <48D0E685.8090203@nicubunu.ro> References: <48C6139D.40209@redhat.com> <48C9622D.1050703@gmail.com> <1221159783.3039.16.camel@dhcp-100-19-191.bos.redhat.com> <48CA07C3.5080001@nicubunu.ro> <27a6293b0809161113o431d3d7cw8e376240cbc7c46f@mail.gmail.com> <48D0E685.8090203@nicubunu.ro> Message-ID: <27a6293b0809170601t2ca0e5bdw54370482984d5395@mail.gmail.com> Sorry about that... I just wanted to help... reloaded= http://www.flickr.com/photos/29783372 at N07/2864655139/ 2008/9/18 Nicu Buculei > Mar?a Leandro wrote: > >> what about this? >> >> http://www.flickr.com/photos/29783372 at N07/2863444874/ >> > > I find funny that I have to remind *you* (someone who does not have English > as her native language) that using words (in English or whatever another > language) in wallpapers is not a good idea - they are not translatable. > > > -- > nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com > Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ > Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org > my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list > -- tatica Maria Gracia Leandro http://www.tatica.org http://www.iseit.net http://www.latinux.org http://www.latinux.com http://www.fedora-ve.org http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/MariaLeandro LinuxUser= 440285 GPG Public Key: E1CDCC56 "Be yourself... 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Comments?...? ;-) What about the organization- maybe there should be catagories for each type of artwork - and maybe since this is mostly a gnome oreinted desktop maybe you guys could can make it look like art . gnome .org website. _______________________________________________ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list at redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list -- Samuele Storari Art Director Byte-Code srl mobile: +39 347 50 798 32 office: +39 02 9840047 http://www.byte-code.com From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Wed Sep 17 13:22:31 2008 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2008 16:22:31 +0300 Subject: Using Fedora Hosted Space for Art Team? In-Reply-To: <91157db90809170613l1761a8aciad71e3395006e742@mail.gmail.com> References: <1221585166.3187.35.camel@pc-notebook> <48D0EB69.4040705@nicubunu.ro> <91157db90809170613l1761a8aciad71e3395006e742@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <48D10497.5000609@nicubunu.ro> jude ui wrote: > > What about the organization- maybe there should be catagories for > each type of artwork - and maybe since this is mostly a gnome > oreinted desktop maybe you guys could can make it look like > *art*.*gnome*.org website. We would absolutely love to have something like this (it was discussed in the past) but we don't know about any software which could be used for this infrastructure (we pondered even using the same platform as art.gnome.org). Any suggestion? -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Wed Sep 17 13:26:10 2008 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2008 16:26:10 +0300 Subject: Need a wall paper for Fedora Security Spin In-Reply-To: <27a6293b0809170601t2ca0e5bdw54370482984d5395@mail.gmail.com> References: <48C6139D.40209@redhat.com> <48C9622D.1050703@gmail.com> <1221159783.3039.16.camel@dhcp-100-19-191.bos.redhat.com> <48CA07C3.5080001@nicubunu.ro> <27a6293b0809161113o431d3d7cw8e376240cbc7c46f@mail.gmail.com> <48D0E685.8090203@nicubunu.ro> <27a6293b0809170601t2ca0e5bdw54370482984d5395@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <48D10572.2020906@nicubunu.ro> Mar?a Leandro wrote: > Sorry about that... I just wanted to help... > > reloaded= http://www.flickr.com/photos/29783372 at N07/2864655139/ And this is appreciated... however, you will hear one more complaint from me: you market this image as proprietary (you know, flickr allows licensing as CC-BY-SA). -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From tatadbb at gmail.com Wed Sep 17 13:47:12 2008 From: tatadbb at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Mar=EDa_Leandro?=) Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2008 09:17:12 +1930 Subject: Need a wall paper for Fedora Security Spin In-Reply-To: <48D10572.2020906@nicubunu.ro> References: <48C6139D.40209@redhat.com> <48C9622D.1050703@gmail.com> <1221159783.3039.16.camel@dhcp-100-19-191.bos.redhat.com> <48CA07C3.5080001@nicubunu.ro> <27a6293b0809161113o431d3d7cw8e376240cbc7c46f@mail.gmail.com> <48D0E685.8090203@nicubunu.ro> <27a6293b0809170601t2ca0e5bdw54370482984d5395@mail.gmail.com> <48D10572.2020906@nicubunu.ro> Message-ID: <27a6293b0809170647h46f2ad20t452ed7cfdda0331@mail.gmail.com> Sorry... but at my work I can't upload images from my work to my website . Solved now http://tatica.org/tux/prin/security.png 2008/9/18 Nicu Buculei > Mar?a Leandro wrote: > >> Sorry about that... I just wanted to help... >> >> reloaded= http://www.flickr.com/photos/29783372 at N07/2864655139/ >> > > And this is appreciated... however, you will hear one more complaint from > me: you market this image as proprietary (you know, flickr allows licensing > as CC-BY-SA). > > > -- > nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com > Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ > Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org > my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list > -- tatica Maria Gracia Leandro http://www.tatica.org http://www.iseit.net http://www.latinux.org http://www.latinux.com http://www.fedora-ve.org http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/MariaLeandro LinuxUser= 440285 GPG Public Key: E1CDCC56 "Be yourself... 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Solved now > > http://tatica.org/tux/prin/security.png I am sorry, I may have worded badly my previous message: with only a couple of click you can put under a free license any picture hosted on flickr, like how sstorari is doing (and nobody complained) http://www.flickr.com/photos/sstorari/page2/ > > 2008/9/18 Nicu Buculei Mar?a Leandro wrote: > Sorry about that... I just wanted to help... > > reloaded= http://www.flickr.com/photos/29783372 at N07/2864655139/ > > > And this is appreciated... however, you will hear one more complaint > from me: you market this image as proprietary (you know, flickr > allows licensing as CC-BY-SA). -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From tatadbb at gmail.com Wed Sep 17 14:48:41 2008 From: tatadbb at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Mar=EDa_Leandro?=) Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2008 10:18:41 +1930 Subject: Need a wall paper for Fedora Security Spin In-Reply-To: <48D1144B.2090004@nicubunu.ro> References: <48C6139D.40209@redhat.com> <48C9622D.1050703@gmail.com> <1221159783.3039.16.camel@dhcp-100-19-191.bos.redhat.com> <48CA07C3.5080001@nicubunu.ro> <27a6293b0809161113o431d3d7cw8e376240cbc7c46f@mail.gmail.com> <48D0E685.8090203@nicubunu.ro> <27a6293b0809170601t2ca0e5bdw54370482984d5395@mail.gmail.com> <48D10572.2020906@nicubunu.ro> <27a6293b0809170647h46f2ad20t452ed7cfdda0331@mail.gmail.com> <48D1144B.2090004@nicubunu.ro> Message-ID: <27a6293b0809170748u5a06fc61ldaba6682f61d13a1@mail.gmail.com> Thx for the advise. I'n new posting images on foreign websites... but my home lacks of space. 2008/9/18 Nicu Buculei > Mar?a Leandro wrote: > >> Sorry... but at my work I can't upload images from my work to my website . >> Solved now >> >> http://tatica.org/tux/prin/security.png >> > > I am sorry, I may have worded badly my previous message: with only a couple > of click you can put under a free license any picture hosted on flickr, like > how sstorari is doing (and nobody complained) > http://www.flickr.com/photos/sstorari/page2/ > > > >> 2008/9/18 Nicu Buculei > Sorry about that... I just wanted to help... >> >> reloaded= http://www.flickr.com/photos/29783372 at N07/2864655139/ >> >> >> And this is appreciated... however, you will hear one more complaint >> from me: you market this image as proprietary (you know, flickr >> allows licensing as CC-BY-SA). >> > > > -- > nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com > Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ > Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org > my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list > -- tatica Maria Gracia Leandro http://www.tatica.org http://www.iseit.net http://www.latinux.org http://www.latinux.com http://www.fedora-ve.org http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/MariaLeandro LinuxUser= 440285 GPG Public Key: E1CDCC56 "Be yourself... 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I'n new posting images on foreign websites... but my > home lacks of space. If you need some web space for hosting Fedora related content, you can use the space provided by fedorapeople.org (150 MB, log in with your FAS account, ask if you need help with that) -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From luya at fedoraproject.org Wed Sep 17 17:05:30 2008 From: luya at fedoraproject.org (Luya Tshimbalanga) Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2008 10:05:30 -0700 Subject: [Echo]New object-rotate-right icon draft (last of object-* series) Message-ID: <48D138DA.8010502@fedoraproject.org> Based on object-icon-left icon set. Only difference is the direction. It should be fine after tweaking the previous object-rotate-left. Comment welcome. Luya -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Also thanks for the tip of where to find cool GIMP brushes! - klaatu 2008/9/17 Mar?a Leandro > Thx for the advise. I'n new posting images on foreign websites... but my > home lacks of space. > > > 2008/9/18 Nicu Buculei > >> Mar?a Leandro wrote: >> >>> Sorry... but at my work I can't upload images from my work to my website >>> . Solved now >>> >>> http://tatica.org/tux/prin/security.png >>> >> >> I am sorry, I may have worded badly my previous message: with only a >> couple of click you can put under a free license any picture hosted on >> flickr, like how sstorari is doing (and nobody complained) >> http://www.flickr.com/photos/sstorari/page2/ >> >> >> >>> 2008/9/18 Nicu Buculei >> Sorry about that... I just wanted to help... >>> >>> reloaded= http://www.flickr.com/photos/29783372 at N07/2864655139/ >>> >>> >>> And this is appreciated... however, you will hear one more complaint >>> from me: you market this image as proprietary (you know, flickr >>> allows licensing as CC-BY-SA). >>> >> >> >> -- >> nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com >> Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ >> Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org >> my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Fedora-art-list mailing list >> Fedora-art-list at redhat.com >> http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list >> > > > > -- > tatica > Maria Gracia Leandro > http://www.tatica.org > http://www.iseit.net > http://www.latinux.org > http://www.latinux.com > http://www.fedora-ve.org > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/MariaLeandro > LinuxUser= 440285 > GPG Public Key: E1CDCC56 > "Be yourself... Don't be anyone else" > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list > > -- --- uzu linukso. subtenu libera programaro. kotizu al http://www.thebadapples.info/ogg.xml http://www.thebadapples.info/fedorareloaded/ogg.xml -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From martin.sourada at gmail.com Wed Sep 17 17:30:42 2008 From: martin.sourada at gmail.com (Martin Sourada) Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2008 19:30:42 +0200 Subject: [Echo]New object-rotate-right icon draft (last of object-* series) In-Reply-To: <48D138DA.8010502@fedoraproject.org> References: <48D138DA.8010502@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <1221672642.3156.5.camel@pc-notebook> On Wed, 2008-09-17 at 10:05 -0700, Luya Tshimbalanga wrote: > Based on object-icon-left icon set. Only difference is the direction. > It should be fine after tweaking the previous object-rotate-left. > Comment welcome. > > > Luya > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list The 256x256 is too thick, compare with object-rotate-left. The 48x48 needs a little tweak on the out-most border, in top left corner of the canvas it's a little blurry. The 32x32 one seems to have blurry transition between the orange and white part (not 100% sure about that, it feels that way). The 22x22 is a little offset. Compare the positioning with the same object in object-rotate-left. Other that that it looks good :) One suggestion: try to compare the images directly with object-rotate-left to better see the differences ;-) Martin -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Primary > > purpose would be to host our release graphics, but it could serve other > > purposes as well (e.g. using ticket system for design service come to my > > mind). > > It is about released graphics, like a history and a place where one can > find the graphics from previous releases *or* a place where to upload > proposals and work-in progress for the next release? > > If we are using only the wiki from there (Trac), what is the advantage > over using the main wiki? > The disadvantage would be poorer discoverability and a need to know a > second wiki syntax. > Yeah, transferring just the wiki's does not make sense at all (first is no needed, media wiki is better than trac wiki, second I feel the main place for us still should be fp.o wiki). It's propose using it for things for wiki is sort of inappropriate like tarbals with released graphics (you know, those I use to build the backgrounds rpms), ticket system for requesting tasks... Etc. one of the reasons why I posted this here is to come to some conclusion what might be useful to have outside the wiki and trac on fh.o provides it (i.e. official releases hosting place, ticket system and maybe git/hg/whatever repository). > Do you propose using the ticket system for things like the DesignService > queue? > Yep. I think it would much more improve the interaction. We could even (or at least I think so) set up track to automatically send e-mails to art-list when new task is opened. > > What do you think about it? Is it worth setting up? What do you think > > would be good to use it for? Ideas? Comments?...? ;-) > > I am strongly against something which would raise the barrier to entry, > so a NO-NO would be to require git to upload sketches (proposals) for > the upcoming release. > +1 > Here is another scenario: we have something like a poster or T-shirt > design and upload it to fedorahosted. If someone want to include it in a > marketing page from the main Fedora wiki, what is he supposed to do? > - duplicate the image to fp.o/wiki > - hotlink the image > - do not inlcude the image, only a link to it > Dunno implications of either of them, but probably the first two suggestions would work (I'd prefer the hot-linking). You can look, e.g. what rel-eng use fedora hosted for as an example, though we'd have slightly different usage. https://fedorahosted.org/rel-eng Martin -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Changed the direction of gradient. > The 22x22 is a little offset. > Fixed. svg version is hosted due to limit. Luya Reference: ---------- http://luya.fedorapeople.org/echo/actions/object-rotate-right.svg -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: object-rotate-right.png Type: image/png Size: 23739 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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That part is better, but there's still one *horizontal* line (second dark-metal one from top) that is blurry. On the other hand, the right part got blurry. > > The 32x32 one seems to have blurry > > transition between the orange and white part (not 100% sure about that, > > it feels that way). > Changed the direction of gradient. Didn't helped much. Also the out-most outline is blurry compared to your previous version. > > The 22x22 is a little offset. > > > Fixed. > There's indeed slight improvement, but needs better fix. > svg version is hosted due to limit. > That's OK, some people might even prefer it to attaching to mails (also it's more useful when you do more similar icons in one batch) ;-) > Luya > > Reference: > ---------- > http://luya.fedorapeople.org/echo/actions/object-rotate-right.svg I've fixed the remaining issues, see the attachment (I've also removed unused defs in the SVG, so it's not that big now). 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Don't forget to let the echo-add-icon script also do the branch specific changes - it's not only adding symlinks, but also adding the icon to the build scripts (for master branch). You haven't done this for object-flip-* pushes (so I've done it instead ;-). You can call the scrip multiple times - if you do not make any changes, it generates (almost always) the exact same PNGs and always same SVGs, so if you forget to make the branch changes, you can push it once again and do them for the second time (or e.g. if you forget to add symlink, ...). It also checks for whether the icon / symlink is already included in the build scripts (speaking now about master branch), so it should not do any duplicities either, so you don't have to worry calling it multiple times on same icon ;-) Martin -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 197 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From luya at fedoraproject.org Wed Sep 17 22:46:50 2008 From: luya at fedoraproject.org (Luya Tshimbalanga) Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2008 15:46:50 -0700 Subject: [Echo]New object-rotate-right icon draft (last of object-* series) In-Reply-To: <1221688776.3156.39.camel@pc-notebook> References: <48D138DA.8010502@fedoraproject.org> <1221672642.3156.5.camel@pc-notebook> <48D15279.5050305@fedoraproject.org> <1221683787.3156.27.camel@pc-notebook> <48D17993.10200@fedoraproject.org> <1221688776.3156.39.camel@pc-notebook> Message-ID: <48D188DA.1020504@fedoraproject.org> Martin Sourada a ?crit : > You are free to do so. Don't forget to let the echo-add-icon script also > do the branch specific changes - it's not only adding symlinks, but also > adding the icon to the build scripts (for master branch). You haven't > done this for object-flip-* pushes (so I've done it instead ;-). You can > call the scrip multiple times - if you do not make any changes, it > generates (almost always) the exact same PNGs and always same SVGs, so > if you forget to make the branch changes, you can push it once again and > do them for the second time (or e.g. if you forget to add symlink, ...). > > So that was the bug from echo-artist package. Good to see the process is fixed. > It also checks for whether the icon / symlink is already included in the > build scripts (speaking now about master branch), so it should not do > any duplicities either, so you don't have to worry calling it multiple > times on same icon ;-) > > Let's give a try. Luya -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 259 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From martin.sourada at gmail.com Wed Sep 17 23:00:36 2008 From: martin.sourada at gmail.com (Martin Sourada) Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2008 01:00:36 +0200 Subject: [Echo]New object-rotate-right icon draft (last of object-* series) In-Reply-To: <48D188DA.1020504@fedoraproject.org> References: <48D138DA.8010502@fedoraproject.org> <1221672642.3156.5.camel@pc-notebook> <48D15279.5050305@fedoraproject.org> <1221683787.3156.27.camel@pc-notebook> <48D17993.10200@fedoraproject.org> <1221688776.3156.39.camel@pc-notebook> <48D188DA.1020504@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <1221692436.3156.47.camel@pc-notebook> On Wed, 2008-09-17 at 15:46 -0700, Luya Tshimbalanga wrote: > So that was the bug from echo-artist package. Good to see the process is > fixed. The only bug I am aware of so far was exposed in this commit: http://git.fedorahosted.org/git/?p=echo-icon-theme;a=commitdiff;h=c7faed7f8e939924ac9408d3827a310b8a03d2e8#patch7 That was fixed with echo-artist-0.1.1. > Let's give a try. > > Luya > Good, just check whether you have the 48x48 icon grouped and labelled as scalable (otherwise the scalable icon might end up being empty). I recently realised I tend to forgot to do that step (and it's possible I forgot to do it in the object-rotate-* icons), so I'll probably create another script that would just check if the source SVG is OK and print warnings/errors if there are problems... Or maybe I could check it in the echo-add-icon before anything is done... Martin -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 197 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From luya at fedoraproject.org Wed Sep 17 23:16:31 2008 From: luya at fedoraproject.org (Luya Tshimbalanga) Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2008 16:16:31 -0700 Subject: [Echo]New object-rotate-right icon draft (last of object-* series) In-Reply-To: <1221692436.3156.47.camel@pc-notebook> References: <48D138DA.8010502@fedoraproject.org> <1221672642.3156.5.camel@pc-notebook> <48D15279.5050305@fedoraproject.org> <1221683787.3156.27.camel@pc-notebook> <48D17993.10200@fedoraproject.org> <1221688776.3156.39.camel@pc-notebook> <48D188DA.1020504@fedoraproject.org> <1221692436.3156.47.camel@pc-notebook> Message-ID: <48D18FCF.8030101@fedoraproject.org> Martin Sourada a ?crit : > > Good, just check whether you have the 48x48 icon grouped and labelled as > scalable (otherwise the scalable icon might end up being empty). I > recently realised I tend to forgot to do that step (and it's possible I > forgot to do it in the object-rotate-* icons), so I'll probably create > another script that would just check if the source SVG is OK and print > warnings/errors if there are problems... Or maybe I could check it in > the echo-add-icon before anything is done... > > I just hit another bug. For some reasons, png icons on any size will appears either empty or out of space. Check out the git. Luya -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 259 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From ianweller at gmail.com Thu Sep 18 00:09:24 2008 From: ianweller at gmail.com (Ian Weller) Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2008 19:09:24 -0500 Subject: Using Fedora Hosted Space for Art Team? In-Reply-To: <48D0EB69.4040705@nicubunu.ro> References: <1221585166.3187.35.camel@pc-notebook> <48D0EB69.4040705@nicubunu.ro> Message-ID: <20080918000924.GB23243@gmail.com> On Wed, Sep 17, 2008 at 02:35:05PM +0300, Nicu Buculei wrote: > It is about released graphics, like a history and a place where one can > find the graphics from previous releases *or* a place where to upload > proposals and work-in progress for the next release? > ... > > I am strongly against something which would raise the barrier to entry, > so a NO-NO would be to require git to upload sketches (proposals) for > the upcoming release. > Agreed. Sketches are already usually uploaded to either fedorapeople.org or are shoved on our current wiki, and that's how it should be. The git repo would just be for contingency. > If we are using only the wiki from there (Trac), what is the advantage > over using the main wiki? > The disadvantage would be poorer discoverability and a need to know a > second wiki syntax. > There is none, other than integration with our git repo, which is not necessary. (see below) > Do you propose using the ticket system for things like the DesignService > queue? > I do, at least. And I have before. The current DesignService makes it harder to follow conversations between people, while a ticket-based system keeps things rolling smoothly, and separate from any others. > Here is another scenario: we have something like a poster or T-shirt > design and upload it to fedorahosted. If someone want to include it in a > marketing page from the main Fedora wiki, what is he supposed to do? > - duplicate the image to fp.o/wiki > - hotlink the image > - do not inlcude the image, only a link to it > In this case you'd have to either do the first or the third. Hotlinking is considered a "security risk" and is disabled. I'm an advocate for the first one, unless we can come up with an extension to read a file out of a git repo. (not likely) -- Ian Weller http://ianweller.org GnuPG fingerprint: E51E 0517 7A92 70A2 4226 B050 87ED 7C97 EFA8 4A36 "Technology is a word that describes something that doesn't work yet." ~ Douglas Adams -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Correct? >> I go to unpack the archive starfighter.pak and to study a form of I >> redesign everything in a new style. > > Unpack the tar.gz. > > Is up to you if you want to redo all the graphic set: 176 images, but > some are really simple and some are just left-right mirrored. > I guess it may be simpler to start from scratch than learning a > different style. > >> You could create wiki for me, please, Nicu. Who more goes helping in >> them in this mission? =) > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/Game_Starfighter > >> For example, joining the archives of sound and musics that will >> substitute the originals of the Starfighter project. I will make the >> drawings. > > As I understand, the music and sounds are already taken care of, > probably resolved. > No they are not already replaced, but there is plenty of experience in replacing troublesome sounds and music within the Games SIG and there enough places were one can get music and/or sounds matching Fedora's Licensing guidelines. So one the graphics are done I or someone else from the Games SIG can easily replace the sounds and music with something we can ship. Regards, Hans p.s. About recreating the .pak file I need to write a little utility for that, hopefully I'll have time for that this weekend. From luya at fedoraproject.org Wed Sep 17 18:27:46 2008 From: luya at fedoraproject.org (Luya Tshimbalanga) Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2008 11:27:46 -0700 Subject: [Echo]New object-rotate-right icon draft (last of object-* series) In-Reply-To: <1221672642.3156.5.camel@pc-notebook> References: <48D138DA.8010502@fedoraproject.org> <1221672642.3156.5.camel@pc-notebook> Message-ID: <48D14C22.2060007@fedoraproject.org> Martin Sourada a ?crit : > The 256x256 is too thick, compare with object-rotate-left. Whoops, corrected. > The 48x48 > needs a little tweak on the out-most border, in top left corner of the > canvas it's a little blurry. Slight alignment set on left side. > The 32x32 one seems to have blurry > transition between the orange and white part (not 100% sure about that, > it feels that way). Changed the direction of gradient. > The 22x22 is a little offset. > Fixed. Luya -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 259 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From martin.sourada at gmail.com Thu Sep 18 08:54:17 2008 From: martin.sourada at gmail.com (Martin Sourada) Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2008 10:54:17 +0200 Subject: [Echo]New object-rotate-right icon draft (last of object-* series) In-Reply-To: <48D18FCF.8030101@fedoraproject.org> References: <48D138DA.8010502@fedoraproject.org> <1221672642.3156.5.camel@pc-notebook> <48D15279.5050305@fedoraproject.org> <1221683787.3156.27.camel@pc-notebook> <48D17993.10200@fedoraproject.org> <1221688776.3156.39.camel@pc-notebook> <48D188DA.1020504@fedoraproject.org> <1221692436.3156.47.camel@pc-notebook> <48D18FCF.8030101@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <1221728057.3156.52.camel@pc-notebook> On Wed, 2008-09-17 at 16:16 -0700, Luya Tshimbalanga wrote: > Martin Sourada a ?crit : > > > > Good, just check whether you have the 48x48 icon grouped and labelled as > > scalable (otherwise the scalable icon might end up being empty). I > > recently realised I tend to forgot to do that step (and it's possible I > > forgot to do it in the object-rotate-* icons), so I'll probably create > > another script that would just check if the source SVG is OK and print > > warnings/errors if there are problems... Or maybe I could check it in > > the echo-add-icon before anything is done... > > > > > I just hit another bug. For some reasons, png icons on any size will > appears either empty > or out of space. Check out the git. > > Luya Actually there were two objects with inkscape:layer set to plate, check this output: $ /usr/bin/inkscape -i 256x256 -e /home/martin/Projects/Echo/git/base/256x256/actions/object-rotate-left.png object-rotate-left.svg > /dev/null 2>&1 $ /usr/bin/inkscape -i 48x48 -e /home/martin/Projects/Echo/git/base/48x48/actions/object-rotate-left.png object-rotate-left.svg > /dev/null 2>&1 $ /usr/bin/inkscape -i 32x32 -e /home/martin/Projects/Echo/git/base/32x32/actions/object-rotate-left.png object-rotate-left.svg > /dev/null 2>&1 $ /usr/bin/inkscape -i 24x24 -e /home/martin/Projects/Echo/git/base/24x24/actions/object-rotate-left.png object-rotate-left.svg > /dev/null 2>&1 $ /usr/bin/inkscape -i 22x22 -e /home/martin/Projects/Echo/git/base/22x22/actions/object-rotate-left.png object-rotate-left.svg > /dev/null 2>&1 $ /usr/bin/inkscape -i 16x16 -e /home/martin/Projects/Echo/git/base/16x16/actions/object-rotate-left.png object-rotate-left.svg > /dev/null 2>&1 $ /usr/bin/inkscape -i rect5309 -e /home/martin/Projects/Echo/git/base/256x256/actions/object-rotate-left.png object-rotate-left.svg > /dev/null 2>&1 $ /usr/bin/inkscape -i rect5311 -e /home/martin/Projects/Echo/git/base/48x48/actions/object-rotate-left.png object-rotate-left.svg > /dev/null 2>&1 $ /usr/bin/inkscape -i rect5313 -e /home/martin/Projects/Echo/git/base/32x32/actions/object-rotate-left.png object-rotate-left.svg > /dev/null 2>&1 $ /usr/bin/inkscape -i rect5315 -e /home/martin/Projects/Echo/git/base/24x24/actions/object-rotate-left.png object-rotate-left.svg > /dev/null 2>&1 $ /usr/bin/inkscape -i rect5317 -e /home/martin/Projects/Echo/git/base/22x22/actions/object-rotate-left.png object-rotate-left.svg > /dev/null 2>&1 $ /usr/bin/inkscape -i rect5319 -e /home/martin/Projects/Echo/git/base/16x16/actions/object-rotate-left.png object-rotate-left.svg > /dev/null 2>&1 Seems like you imported another one-canvas SVG, but didn't removed the hidden plate layer, which of course imported not as a layer but as an object inside the layer you imported it to. 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Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 197 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From martin.sourada at gmail.com Thu Sep 18 09:02:35 2008 From: martin.sourada at gmail.com (Martin Sourada) Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2008 11:02:35 +0200 Subject: [Echo]New object-rotate-right icon draft (last of object-* series) In-Reply-To: <48D18FCF.8030101@fedoraproject.org> References: <48D138DA.8010502@fedoraproject.org> <1221672642.3156.5.camel@pc-notebook> <48D15279.5050305@fedoraproject.org> <1221683787.3156.27.camel@pc-notebook> <48D17993.10200@fedoraproject.org> <1221688776.3156.39.camel@pc-notebook> <48D188DA.1020504@fedoraproject.org> <1221692436.3156.47.camel@pc-notebook> <48D18FCF.8030101@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <1221728555.3156.59.camel@pc-notebook> On Wed, 2008-09-17 at 16:16 -0700, Luya Tshimbalanga wrote: > Martin Sourada a ?crit : > > > > Good, just check whether you have the 48x48 icon grouped and labelled as > > scalable (otherwise the scalable icon might end up being empty). I > > recently realised I tend to forgot to do that step (and it's possible I > > forgot to do it in the object-rotate-* icons), so I'll probably create > > another script that would just check if the source SVG is OK and print > > warnings/errors if there are problems... Or maybe I could check it in > > the echo-add-icon before anything is done... > > > > > I just hit another bug. For some reasons, png icons on any size will > appears either empty > or out of space. Check out the git. > > Luya I could perhaps add a check for whether the same size isn't generated twice. I think that's the best solution for this. But if I checked for the correctness of the SVG at the before doing anything, this another check might not be necessary... Martin -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 197 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From stlwrt at gmail.com Thu Sep 18 09:13:46 2008 From: stlwrt at gmail.com (Pavel Shevchuk) Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2008 12:13:46 +0300 Subject: Solar & InvinXble Updates In-Reply-To: <519059584.2201221576783337.JavaMail.root@mail.byte-code.com> References: <587522594.2181221576620562.JavaMail.root@mail.byte-code.com> <519059584.2201221576783337.JavaMail.root@mail.byte-code.com> Message-ID: InvinXble KDE login mockup is damn sexy, except it lacks session select button and shutdown/reboot menu button. I will update ThemingOverview in wiki now. Those buttons can be rendered as text and/or sprite. On Tue, Sep 16, 2008 at 5:53 PM, Samuele Storari wrote: > Hi all! > > Here we are again... > I've uploaded on the wiki all the requested materiale for Fedora 10 Theme. > > U find all here: > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/F10Themes/Solar > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/F10Themes/InvinXble > > So guys I need some feedback and overall I need to know if something still missing from my purpose. > Thanks > > Samuele > > > Ps: what about votation? Rules? When it will starts? > > Re - Thanks > Samuele > > -- > Samuele Storari > Art Director > Byte-Code srl > mobile: +39 347 50 798 32 > office: +39 02 9840047 > http://www.byte-code.com > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list > -- http://scwlab.com From sstorari at byte-code.com Thu Sep 18 09:18:41 2008 From: sstorari at byte-code.com (Samuele Storari) Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2008 11:18:41 +0200 (CEST) Subject: R: Re: Solar & InvinXble Updates In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <941068562.5341221729521318.JavaMail.root@mail.byte-code.com> Yes, u're right, I will try to implement it right now. Samuele ----- Messaggio originale ----- Da: "Pavel Shevchuk" A: "Discussions about the artwork included with Fedora, including icons, themes, and wallpapers." Inviato: Gioved?, 18 settembre 2008 11:13:46 GMT +01:00 Amsterdam/Berlino/Berna/Roma/Stoccolma/Vienna Oggetto: Re: Solar & InvinXble Updates InvinXble KDE login mockup is damn sexy, except it lacks session select button and shutdown/reboot menu button. I will update ThemingOverview in wiki now. Those buttons can be rendered as text and/or sprite. On Tue, Sep 16, 2008 at 5:53 PM, Samuele Storari wrote: > Hi all! > > Here we are again... > I've uploaded on the wiki all the requested materiale for Fedora 10 Theme. > > U find all here: > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/F10Themes/Solar > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/F10Themes/InvinXble > > So guys I need some feedback and overall I need to know if something still missing from my purpose. > Thanks > > Samuele > > > Ps: what about votation? Rules? When it will starts? > > Re - Thanks > Samuele > > -- > Samuele Storari > Art Director > Byte-Code srl > mobile: +39 347 50 798 32 > office: +39 02 9840047 > http://www.byte-code.com > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list > -- http://scwlab.com _______________________________________________ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list at redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list -- Samuele Storari Art Director Byte-Code srl mobile: +39 347 50 798 32 office: +39 02 9840047 http://www.byte-code.com From luya at fedoraproject.org Thu Sep 18 09:31:27 2008 From: luya at fedoraproject.org (Luya Tshimbalanga) Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2008 02:31:27 -0700 Subject: [Echo]New object-rotate-right icon draft (last of object-* series) In-Reply-To: <1221728057.3156.52.camel@pc-notebook> References: <48D138DA.8010502@fedoraproject.org> <1221672642.3156.5.camel@pc-notebook> <48D15279.5050305@fedoraproject.org> <1221683787.3156.27.camel@pc-notebook> <48D17993.10200@fedoraproject.org> <1221688776.3156.39.camel@pc-notebook> <48D188DA.1020504@fedoraproject.org> <1221692436.3156.47.camel@pc-notebook> <48D18FCF.8030101@fedoraproject.org> <1221728057.3156.52.camel@pc-notebook> Message-ID: <48D21FEF.2080102@fedoraproject.org> Martin Sourada a ?crit : > $ /usr/bin/inkscape -i rect5319 > -e /home/martin/Projects/Echo/git/base/16x16/actions/object-rotate-left.png object-rotate-left.svg > /dev/null 2>&1 > > Seems like you imported another one-canvas SVG, but didn't removed the > hidden plate layer, which of course imported not as a layer but as an > object inside the layer you imported it to. You can delete it using Edit > -> XMLEditor... > > I've fixed both the SVG and the commit. > I saw that but I was not sure if that layer was a cause. It was hard to detect visually. I am pushing your corrected object-rotate-right version. Luya - still in learning mode From gnomeuser at gmail.com Thu Sep 18 11:40:58 2008 From: gnomeuser at gmail.com (David Nielsen) Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2008 13:40:58 +0200 Subject: Solar & InvinXble Updates In-Reply-To: <519059584.2201221576783337.JavaMail.root@mail.byte-code.com> References: <587522594.2181221576620562.JavaMail.root@mail.byte-code.com> <519059584.2201221576783337.JavaMail.root@mail.byte-code.com> Message-ID: <1dedbbfc0809180440s7e5173dfnfc42978654ee90bb@mail.gmail.com> 2008/9/16 Samuele Storari > Hi all! > > Here we are again... > I've uploaded on the wiki all the requested materiale for Fedora 10 Theme. > > U find all here: > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/F10Themes/Solar > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/F10Themes/InvinXble Invixible lacks the awesome plymouth splash mockup you posted the other day. Aside that I love every bit of it. - David -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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U find all here: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/F10Themes/Solar https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/F10Themes/InvinXble Invixible lacks the awesome plymouth splash mockup you posted the other day. Aside that I love every bit of it. - David _______________________________________________ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list at redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list -- Samuele Storari Art Director Byte-Code srl mobile: +39 347 50 798 32 office: +39 02 9840047 http://www.byte-code.com From martin.sourada at gmail.com Thu Sep 18 19:33:12 2008 From: martin.sourada at gmail.com (Martin Sourada) Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2008 21:33:12 +0200 Subject: [Echo] New Actions dialog-* + process-stop icons - update In-Reply-To: <1221577593.3187.15.camel@pc-notebook> References: <1221577593.3187.15.camel@pc-notebook> Message-ID: <1221766392.3392.12.camel@pc-notebook> I've slightly updated the icons. First I used correct projection (in guidelines incorrectly called perspective) for the 22x22 version, also I've further distinguished the dialog-ok and dialog-ok-apply (I changed the name from dialog-apply to be same as in oxygen icon theme). The change makes the dialog-ok-apply one slightly distinctive from the other icons, but that might not necessarily be bad, since it has usually slightly different consequences (while all the other icons, sans process-stop, usually close the opened window in the process, the apply one is usually not used that way). Anyway, I still wait for some feedback for the chosen metaphors (nicu had some suggestions for dialog-ok, but they didn't turn out much good). Basically some of the icons go in pairs, I'd also like to keep the original metaphors (to not confuse people by sudden big change) for dialog-{ok,cancel,close}. The pairs are: dialog-cancel x dialog-ok dialog-no x dialog-yes There's slight problem with dialog-{no,yes} since they are frequently misused, e.g. in system-config-services for displaying whether the service is running or is stopped... We have to keep that in mind. Also the dialog-ok-apply is sometimes used in tool-bars => another reason to keep it slightly distinctive from the other dialog-* icons. I attach dialog-ok and dialog-ok-apply, so that you can see the actual difference without having to open web browser, the rest can be found on my fp.o page [1]. Comments welcome, Martin References: [1] http://mso.fedorapeople.org/echo/Actions/ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: dialog-ok.png Type: image/png Size: 31815 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 197 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From nisses.mail at home.se Fri Sep 19 09:07:39 2008 From: nisses.mail at home.se (Andreas Nilsson) Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2008 11:07:39 +0200 Subject: [Ech0] Features for Fedora 10 Beta In-Reply-To: <48CFB308.8060308@nicubunu.ro> References: <1221559888.48cf8650461b7@ssl.mecca.ca> <48CFA376.9010306@home.se> <48CFB308.8060308@nicubunu.ro> Message-ID: <48D36BDB.5020806@home.se> Nicu Buculei wrote: > Andreas Nilsson wrote: >> Would it be suitable to mention on the wiki under Benefits where it >> says: >> "A unique set of icon that combines elegance and usability." >> That it will also mean a drawback in terms of integration on Fedora >> for 3rd party developers such as Mozilla [1], Medsphere [2] and >> VMWare [3]? > > * VMware is closed source software, outside of the Fedora mission, so > it does not matter; > * I doubt that Medsphere OpenVista should be a blocker, it does not > like a software I would recommend to be run on Fedora; > * by Mozilla I guess you mean Firefox, as Thunderbird and Seamonkey do > not use the GNOME icon theme anyway. After covering the base icons, I > think the most obvious goal for Echo is to cover the Firefox icons. The reason for my concerns was because some kind of predictability in the look of feel across distros was the reason Mozilla agreed to do Linux visual integration in the first place (the alternative was keep on using the WinXP style). http://www.beltzner.ca/mike/archives/2007/10/11/giving_the_penguin_a_makeover.html and http://steelgryphon.com/blog/?p=108 > I don't think integration with 3rd party applications should be a > concern, otherwise we are going to a slippery slope and may get to > think about consistency with Windows icons (via Wine). I don't think the slope is that slippery really, because Windows is a completely different platform all together (don't use platform technologies, follow the HIG or anything like that either). If 3rd party developers trying to integrate with your platform isn't a concern at all, I rest my case. Just thought it was worth mentioning as all design decisions have pros and cons and that it would be unfortunate not listing any possible cons. - Andreas From stickster at gmail.com Fri Sep 19 11:23:58 2008 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2008 11:23:58 +0000 Subject: Happy 5th Birthday banner Message-ID: <1221823438.16213.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> Dear Fedora Artists, Would anyone be interested in creating a "Happy 5th Birthday Fedora" banner for our web front page? The Fedora Project was born -- at least by domain records -- on September 24, 2003. I thought that celebrating this would be fun. Here's what I was thinking: * A graphic for the rotation block at the upper left, so we can get rid of that homely dude who keeps popping up there. * A bigger banner for the middle of the page, to run for about two to four weeks. * Maybe a set of buttons or banners of appropriate size for our Fedora friends & family to put on their web sites if desired. Any takers? I put the request on the DesignQueue: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/DesignService#Request_List -- Paul W. Frields gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://paul.frields.org/ - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Fri Sep 19 11:55:48 2008 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2008 14:55:48 +0300 Subject: Happy 5th Birthday banner In-Reply-To: <1221823438.16213.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1221823438.16213.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <48D39344.6070604@nicubunu.ro> Paul W. Frields wrote: > > Would anyone be interested in creating a "Happy 5th Birthday Fedora" > banner for our web front page? The Fedora Project was born -- at least > by domain records -- on September 24, 2003. I thought that celebrating > this would be fun. Here's what I was thinking: How about this banner? -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: 5years-banner.png Type: image/png Size: 29952 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Frields wrote: > >> > >> Would anyone be interested in creating a "Happy 5th Birthday Fedora" > >> banner for our web front page? The Fedora Project was born -- at least > >> by domain records -- on September 24, 2003. I thought that celebrating > >> this would be fun. Here's what I was thinking: > > > > How about this banner? > > After receiving some positive feed-back on it, I transformed the banner > in a few standard-sized buttons for web pages. > > However, I think the design is too simple to also work for the big > banner, so for that one we may try something different (maybe re-using > some parts, like the cake? maybe something completely original?) Nicu, this is GREAT! One idea for the big banner would be to bring the cake out of the banner, in other words let it break the borders. Then you might have more room to play with? Just an idea. I think it would also be good in the big banner to thank the community for the 5 wonderful years. :-) Something like: "Thanks to our community for 5 wonderful years of Fedora." What do people think? -- Paul W. Frields gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://paul.frields.org/ - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Here's what I was thinking: >> >> How about this banner? > > After receiving some positive feed-back on it, I transformed the banner > in a few standard-sized buttons for web pages. > > However, I think the design is too simple to also work for the big > banner, so for that one we may try something different (maybe re-using > some parts, like the cake? maybe something completely original?) How about this try at a larger-size one? ~m -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: 5years-banner.png Type: image/png Size: 90857 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Here's what I was thinking: >>> How about this banner? >> After receiving some positive feed-back on it, I transformed the banner >> in a few standard-sized buttons for web pages. >> >> However, I think the design is too simple to also work for the big >> banner, so for that one we may try something different (maybe re-using >> some parts, like the cake? maybe something completely original?) > > Nicu, this is GREAT! > > One idea for the big banner would be to bring the cake out of the > banner, in other words let it break the borders. Then you might have > more room to play with? Just an idea. > > I think it would also be good in the big banner to thank the community > for the 5 wonderful years. :-) Something like: "Thanks to our > community for 5 wonderful years of Fedora." What do people think? How about this? -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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What do people think? > > How about this? I was just-a-bit unhappy with the ribbon shape (its upper edge) and made a *minor* adjustment. -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: 5years-banner-large.png Type: image/png Size: 102091 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I kept the > plugin pretty general so it should be easy to change it to suit any theme. > > What I would like is some feedback as to whether something like this is > desirable. > > [1] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/BetterStartup > [2] http://katzj.livejournal.com/432586.html > [3] http://brej.org/test/plymouth_invx.mpg > and http://brej.org/test/plymouth_invx.gif I just saw your startup screen running on Ray Strode's machine and it is really fantastic. It'd be cool to see one with spinning gears for Gears, and one with solar flares for Solar! ~m From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Fri Sep 19 20:14:47 2008 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2008 01:44:47 +0530 Subject: [Ech0] Features for Fedora 10 Beta In-Reply-To: <48D36BDB.5020806@home.se> References: <1221559888.48cf8650461b7@ssl.mecca.ca> <48CFA376.9010306@home.se> <48CFB308.8060308@nicubunu.ro> <48D36BDB.5020806@home.se> Message-ID: <48D40837.9020809@fedoraproject.org> Andreas Nilsson wrote: > The reason for my concerns was because some kind of predictability in > the look of feel across distros was the reason Mozilla agreed to do > Linux visual integration in the first place (the alternative was keep on > using the WinXP style). > http://www.beltzner.ca/mike/archives/2007/10/11/giving_the_penguin_a_makeover.html Predictability can only be achieved by having everyone adopt the same look which I don't think is going to happen. What you really want is integration instead. Mozilla integrates well with the current theme (atleast for GNOME and Xfce) which is what we really want ISV's to be doing as well. You can clearly see that the current icon and set is being used by Firefox in the different screenshots from Fedora, Ubuntu etc. If they don't do proper integration and simply copy and use some icons, I would consider this a con for the ISV's. Rahul From martin.sourada at gmail.com Sat Sep 20 10:13:12 2008 From: martin.sourada at gmail.com (Martin Sourada) Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2008 12:13:12 +0200 Subject: [Echo] Reworked mail-mark-(not)junk icons Message-ID: <1221905592.8852.0.camel@pc-notebook> Hi, I've just finished another try on the mail-*-junk icons, because after a few days of usage I realised that no matter how much you try to get used to it, it always looks strange... I reverted to original design by Diana for mail-mark-junk (with various changes) and changed metaphor for mail-mark-notjunk to, a) better fit with the rest of echo icons, b) to better fit with oxygen icons and c) to IMHO better symbolise the mark-notjunk action. Comments welcome, Martin References: http://mso.fedorapeople.org/echo/Actions/mail-mark-junk.svg http://mso.fedorapeople.org/echo/Actions/mail-mark-notjunk.svg -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: mail-mark-junk.png Type: image/png Size: 38188 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: mail-mark-notjunk.png Type: image/png Size: 48388 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 197 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From hylkebons at gmail.com Sat Sep 20 15:58:35 2008 From: hylkebons at gmail.com (Hylke Bons) Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2008 17:58:35 +0200 Subject: [Echo] Reworked mail-mark-(not)junk icons In-Reply-To: <1221905592.8852.0.camel@pc-notebook> References: <1221905592.8852.0.camel@pc-notebook> Message-ID: <55cf1980809200858q31129929m8954f2b84a5d106f@mail.gmail.com> The notjunk icon really confuses me. It's like aproving it's junk. Hylke 2008/9/20 Martin Sourada : > Hi, > > I've just finished another try on the mail-*-junk icons, because after a > few days of usage I realised that no matter how much you try to get used > to it, it always looks strange... I reverted to original design by Diana > for mail-mark-junk (with various changes) and changed metaphor for > mail-mark-notjunk to, a) better fit with the rest of echo icons, b) to > better fit with oxygen icons and c) to IMHO better symbolise the > mark-notjunk action. > > Comments welcome, > Martin > > References: > http://mso.fedorapeople.org/echo/Actions/mail-mark-junk.svg > http://mso.fedorapeople.org/echo/Actions/mail-mark-notjunk.svg > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list > > From stlwrt at gmail.com Sat Sep 20 16:40:39 2008 From: stlwrt at gmail.com (Pavel Shevchuk) Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2008 19:40:39 +0300 Subject: [Echo] Reworked mail-mark-(not)junk icons In-Reply-To: <55cf1980809200858q31129929m8954f2b84a5d106f@mail.gmail.com> References: <1221905592.8852.0.camel@pc-notebook> <55cf1980809200858q31129929m8954f2b84a5d106f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Sat, Sep 20, 2008 at 6:58 PM, Hylke Bons wrote: > The notjunk icon really confuses me. It's like aproving it's junk. > I second that. It looks like "Junk is ok". Probably tick should be on unfolded sheet of paper with junk behind it. > Hylke > > 2008/9/20 Martin Sourada : >> Hi, >> >> I've just finished another try on the mail-*-junk icons, because after a >> few days of usage I realised that no matter how much you try to get used >> to it, it always looks strange... I reverted to original design by Diana >> for mail-mark-junk (with various changes) and changed metaphor for >> mail-mark-notjunk to, a) better fit with the rest of echo icons, b) to >> better fit with oxygen icons and c) to IMHO better symbolise the >> mark-notjunk action. >> >> Comments welcome, >> Martin >> >> References: >> http://mso.fedorapeople.org/echo/Actions/mail-mark-junk.svg >> http://mso.fedorapeople.org/echo/Actions/mail-mark-notjunk.svg >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Fedora-art-list mailing list >> Fedora-art-list at redhat.com >> http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list > -- http://scwlab.com From martin.sourada at gmail.com Sat Sep 20 17:12:16 2008 From: martin.sourada at gmail.com (Martin Sourada) Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2008 19:12:16 +0200 Subject: [Echo] Reworked mail-mark-(not)junk icons In-Reply-To: References: <1221905592.8852.0.camel@pc-notebook> <55cf1980809200858q31129929m8954f2b84a5d106f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1221930736.8852.5.camel@pc-notebook> On Sat, 2008-09-20 at 19:40 +0300, Pavel Shevchuk wrote: > On Sat, Sep 20, 2008 at 6:58 PM, Hylke Bons wrote: > > The notjunk icon really confuses me. It's like aproving it's junk. > > > > I second that. It looks like "Junk is ok". Probably tick should be on > unfolded sheet of paper with junk behind it. > I see your point... My idea was something like: tick symbolises that it's OK and the semi-transparent junk symbol suggests that it's about the junk - i.e. the mail is not junk... But well, seems it's too complex metaphor to grasp on first try (which is bad). What about something like this (see the attachment)? Martin -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: mail-mark-notjunk.png Type: image/png Size: 35828 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: mail-mark-notjunk.svg Type: image/svg+xml Size: 44237 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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What about something like > this (see the attachment)? > > Martin > Mail-mark-junk is much better than other version that looks like a wet hedgehog. For mail-mark-notjunk icon, why not keeping the same metaphor minus "wet hedgehog". For me, this draft means the mail has been verified. Luya -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 197 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From martin.sourada at gmail.com Sat Sep 20 17:34:10 2008 From: martin.sourada at gmail.com (Martin Sourada) Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2008 19:34:10 +0200 Subject: [Echo] Reworked mail-mark-(not)junk icons In-Reply-To: <48D531EC.8090204@fedoraproject.org> References: <1221905592.8852.0.camel@pc-notebook> <55cf1980809200858q31129929m8954f2b84a5d106f@mail.gmail.com> <1221930736.8852.5.camel@pc-notebook> <48D531EC.8090204@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <1221932050.8852.20.camel@pc-notebook> On Sat, 2008-09-20 at 10:25 -0700, Luya Tshimbalanga wrote: > Mail-mark-junk is much better than other version that looks like a wet > hedgehog. > For mail-mark-notjunk icon, why not keeping the same metaphor minus > "wet hedgehog". > For me, this draft means the mail has been verified. > That's the idea - it's an action icon, that means you are the one who verifies that mail is not junk by clicking button with that icon... I didn't exactly liked the original metaphor because it symbolises to me "delete junk mail" type of action... > Luya Martin -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 197 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From stlwrt at gmail.com Sat Sep 20 18:44:27 2008 From: stlwrt at gmail.com (Pavel Shevchuk) Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2008 21:44:27 +0300 Subject: [Echo] Reworked mail-mark-(not)junk icons In-Reply-To: <1221930736.8852.5.camel@pc-notebook> References: <1221905592.8852.0.camel@pc-notebook> <55cf1980809200858q31129929m8954f2b84a5d106f@mail.gmail.com> <1221930736.8852.5.camel@pc-notebook> Message-ID: 2008/9/20 Martin Sourada : > On Sat, 2008-09-20 at 19:40 +0300, Pavel Shevchuk wrote: >> On Sat, Sep 20, 2008 at 6:58 PM, Hylke Bons wrote: >> > The notjunk icon really confuses me. It's like aproving it's junk. >> > >> >> I second that. It looks like "Junk is ok". Probably tick should be on >> unfolded sheet of paper with junk behind it. >> > I see your point... My idea was something like: tick symbolises that > it's OK and the semi-transparent junk symbol suggests that it's about > the junk - i.e. the mail is not junk... But well, seems it's too complex > metaphor to grasp on first try (which is bad). What about something like > this (see the attachment)? > This one looks better. "Mail is ok" now =) > Martin > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list > > -- http://scwlab.com From stlwrt at gmail.com Sat Sep 20 18:46:58 2008 From: stlwrt at gmail.com (Pavel Shevchuk) Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2008 21:46:58 +0300 Subject: [Echo] New trash related icons In-Reply-To: <1221931786.8852.16.camel@pc-notebook> References: <1221931786.8852.16.camel@pc-notebook> Message-ID: I fail to recall any transparent trash bins. This one looks like glass of water =\ 2008/9/20 Martin Sourada : > Hi, > > I think there some major problems with how the current trash related > icons look in small sizes and I've tried to fix them once already, but > since I didn't want to touch the Diana's original design (the trash is > one of the first icons that were in the Echo set), it didn't end up very > well. Today I decided I'll give it a go (since I had already a new > design for it in mind), do it anew and see what the reaction would be > like... Just a small note, the edit-delete one has different > perspective, because it's from Action context ;-) > > I attach the basic one (user-trash), but the rest is on my fp.o page. > > Comments welcome, > Martin > > References: > [1] http://mso.fedorapeople.org/echo/Actions/edit-delete.png > [2] http://mso.fedorapeople.org/echo/Actions/edit-delete.svg > [3] http://mso.fedorapeople.org/echo/Places/user-trash.png > [4] http://mso.fedorapeople.org/echo/Places/user-trash.svg > [5] http://mso.fedorapeople.org/echo/Status/user-trash-full.png > [6] http://mso.fedorapeople.org/echo/Status/user-trash-full.svg > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list > > -- http://scwlab.com From luya at fedoraproject.org Sat Sep 20 18:55:21 2008 From: luya at fedoraproject.org (Luya Tshimbalanga) Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2008 11:55:21 -0700 Subject: [Echo] New trash related icons In-Reply-To: <1221931786.8852.16.camel@pc-notebook> References: <1221931786.8852.16.camel@pc-notebook> Message-ID: <48D54719.7070808@fedoraproject.org> Martin Sourada a ?crit : > Hi, > > I think there some major problems with how the current trash related > icons look in small sizes and I've tried to fix them once already, but > since I didn't want to touch the Diana's original design (the trash is > one of the first icons that were in the Echo set), it didn't end up very > well. Today I decided I'll give it a go (since I had already a new > design for it in mind), do it anew and see what the reaction would be > like... Just a small note, the edit-delete one has different > perspective, because it's from Action context ;-) > > These icons fail to impress. The original version for Diana is still better by far. Luya From luya at fedoraproject.org Sat Sep 20 18:56:33 2008 From: luya at fedoraproject.org (Luya Tshimbalanga) Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2008 11:56:33 -0700 Subject: [Echo] New trash related icons In-Reply-To: References: <1221931786.8852.16.camel@pc-notebook> Message-ID: <48D54761.2020903@fedoraproject.org> Pavel Shevchuk a ?crit : > I fail to recall any transparent trash bins. This one looks like glass > of water =\ > > Some themes use transparent trash bins. Luya From stlwrt at gmail.com Sat Sep 20 19:05:35 2008 From: stlwrt at gmail.com (Pavel Shevchuk) Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2008 22:05:35 +0300 Subject: [Echo] New trash related icons In-Reply-To: <48D54761.2020903@fedoraproject.org> References: <1221931786.8852.16.camel@pc-notebook> <48D54761.2020903@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: On Sat, Sep 20, 2008 at 9:56 PM, Luya Tshimbalanga wrote: > Pavel Shevchuk a ?crit : >> I fail to recall any transparent trash bins. This one looks like glass >> of water =\ >> >> > Some themes use transparent trash bins. I'm talking about real life, not artwork =) > Luya > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list > -- http://scwlab.com From martin.sourada at gmail.com Sat Sep 20 19:22:20 2008 From: martin.sourada at gmail.com (Martin Sourada) Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2008 21:22:20 +0200 Subject: [Echo] New trash related icons In-Reply-To: <48D54719.7070808@fedoraproject.org> References: <1221931786.8852.16.camel@pc-notebook> <48D54719.7070808@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <1221938540.8852.38.camel@pc-notebook> On Sat, 2008-09-20 at 11:55 -0700, Luya Tshimbalanga wrote: > These icons fail to impress. The original version for Diana is still > better by far. > The problem with Diana's version is usability. Due to the chosen colour combination and shape it's pretty hard to make it look crisp and distinctive in smaller sizes. So I decided to try metal/blue glass combination for the trash icon with more traditional shape. From usability POV it's indeed by far better than Diana's design, but as you noted the current incarnation fails to impress. I neither want to go with this icon (as is now), nor with Diana's design. It's an early "research" design that follows our current Echo style very closely and is very distinctive, though simple-looking. I'd like the broader audience here on art list to comment on it, improve it and finally come to some design that would satisfy both our usability needs *and* our wants to impress. So basically my intentions with this very icon is to think about it more deeply, throughoutly and collaboratively because it's an icon that has very wide usage. Take my design as a trigger for such discussion. Note however that it's by no means necessary to fix this icon in time for F10, we still have much of work to do on icons that are missing altogether, it just happened that I had the idea now so in order to not forgot, I put it together... If this discussion dies too fast due to lack of our present time, I'll bring it up again after F10 is released. > Luya Martin -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Also note that the cause for the transparency of my design is different - mine trashbin is done from coloured dim glass (or at least is supposed to be made from such material), while most real-life ones are transparent because they have holes in their body. Martin References: [1] http://www.istockphoto.com/file_thumbview_approve/2547270/2/istockphoto_2547270_trash_bin_full.jpg -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 197 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From luya at fedoraproject.org Sat Sep 20 20:14:59 2008 From: luya at fedoraproject.org (Luya Tshimbalanga) Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2008 13:14:59 -0700 Subject: [Echo] New edit-clear icons Message-ID: <48D559C3.7060107@fedoraproject.org> Angle broom icon. Intentionally went to modern version[1] instead of the folkloric witch style. Feedback welcome. Luya Reference: --------------- [1] http://a116.g.akamai.net/7/116/8068/infinite/www.canadiantire.ca/media/images/products/images/HouseHome/CleaningToolsVacuums/FloorCare/0429807_450_CC_v1_m56577569830890095.jpg -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: edit-clear.svg Type: image/svg+xml Size: 37790 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: edit-clear.png Type: image/png Size: 26800 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Luya References: ----------------- [1] http://forums.fedora-fr.org/viewtopic.php?id=35450 [2] http://inalgnu.nomade-dz.com/sondage-les-themes-proposes-pour-fedora-10/ From luya at fedoraproject.org Sat Sep 20 20:37:45 2008 From: luya at fedoraproject.org (Luya Tshimbalanga) Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2008 13:37:45 -0700 Subject: [Echo] New trash related icons In-Reply-To: <1221938540.8852.38.camel@pc-notebook> References: <1221931786.8852.16.camel@pc-notebook> <48D54719.7070808@fedoraproject.org> <1221938540.8852.38.camel@pc-notebook> Message-ID: <48D55F19.7000301@fedoraproject.org> Martin Sourada a ?crit : > The problem with Diana's version is usability. Due to the chosen colour > combination and shape it's pretty hard to make it look crisp and > distinctive in smaller sizes. > > So I decided to try metal/blue glass combination for the trash icon with > more traditional shape. From usability POV it's indeed by far better > than Diana's design, but as you noted the current incarnation fails to > impress. I neither want to go with this icon (as is now), nor with > Diana's design. It's an early "research" design that follows our current > Echo style very closely and is very distinctive, though simple-looking. > > I'd like the broader audience here on art list to comment on it, improve > it and finally come to some design that would satisfy both our usability > needs *and* our wants to impress. > > So basically my intentions with this very icon is to think about it more > deeply, throughoutly and collaboratively because it's an icon that has > very wide usage. > > Take my design as a trigger for such discussion. Note however that it's > by no means necessary to fix this icon in time for F10, we still have > much of work to do on icons that are missing altogether, it just > happened that I had the idea now so in order to not forgot, I put it > together... > Let?s put that on hold for now and write a ticket for say 0.5 release of echo-icon-them as enhancement. Once essential icons are made, we will back on that discussion. =) Luya -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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It's pretty radical change > > from the gnome-icon-theme one :-D > > > > Martin > > > Yeah, gnome-icon-theme looks boring and tiresome. I stripped out the > red part > to make close to the classical appearance but the shape is still > radical. > > Luya Hm... looks more like it's the red colour itself that I don't like there. Could you try more subtle colour? Btw. I wasn't implying that gnome-icon-theme looks boring or tiresome, in fact my personal preference is towards the traditional broom ;-) Martin -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I wasn't implying that gnome-icon-theme looks boring or tiresome, > > in fact my personal preference is towards the traditional broom ;-) > > > > > Luya > > References: > http://luya.fedorapeople.org/echo/actions/ Yeah, that is much better. Could you add some outline to the stripe as well? Also you could make the handle a little bit broader in the smaller sizes. Could you try using dark brown outline instead of the metallic one? I think it might work better. Martin -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 259 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From martin.sourada at gmail.com Sun Sep 21 09:42:34 2008 From: martin.sourada at gmail.com (Martin Sourada) Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2008 11:42:34 +0200 Subject: [Echo] New view-sort-ascending icon set draft In-Reply-To: <48D6119C.3080100@fedoraproject.org> References: <48D6119C.3080100@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <1221990154.25679.9.camel@pc-notebook> On Sun, 2008-09-21 at 02:19 -0700, Luya Tshimbalanga wrote: > These sets are based from gnome-version. Only difference is Echo treatment. > Comment welcome. > > > Luya The arrow looks too tall, if you played a little with its tale shape, it might help. I think the dots might be better of if the were actually globes - and thus using radial gradient. The white inner outline is too thin in the arrow, the side face is too dark, compared to other action icons. Could you try adding colour for the arrow? At 32x32 and bellow the arrow is hard to recognise. The dots should be distributed evenly IMHO. You could perhaps try some sort of fade-off for the arrow, like in the gnome icon, but I am not sure if that would work for echo. Martin -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 197 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From fedora-art at brej.org Sun Sep 21 12:47:23 2008 From: fedora-art at brej.org (Charlie Brej) Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2008 13:47:23 +0100 Subject: Plymouth animated startup In-Reply-To: <48D3F8C7.9040404@fedoraproject.org> References: <48CC12DC.900@brej.org> <48D3F8C7.9040404@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <48D6425B.7030806@brej.org> M?ir?n Duffy wrote: > I just saw your startup screen running on Ray Strode's machine and it is > really fantastic. > > It'd be cool to see one with spinning gears for Gears, and one with > solar flares for Solar! The gear one was easy to implement, it is just a case of deciding the position and speed of turning. Because tiny angle changes are easily visible on gears (the teeth are not aligned) there must be a massive number of rotated images stored in memory (360 works well). The other problem is that because there is a directional shade across the gear image I used, it looks a bit naff when that shade then rotates and the shades of the different gears are at different angles. The solar one on the other hand is rather difficult to make. Animating the flares is quite hard but I think I should have something to show quite soon. When is the theme decided? Are there licensing problems of including cc-by artwork into gpl projects? From martin.sourada at gmail.com Sun Sep 21 19:01:08 2008 From: martin.sourada at gmail.com (Martin Sourada) Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2008 21:01:08 +0200 Subject: [Echo,Actions] Various Dialog Related Icons, Final DRAFT Message-ID: <1222023668.3317.3.camel@pc-notebook> Hi, I've just slightly updated 22x22 version of the dialog-* icons and process-stop and added two new icons which share the same design concept - help-information and window-close. For convenience I attach 32x32 versions, one canvas SVGs and PNGs are at my fp.o page [1]. Comments welcome, Martin References: [1] http://mso.fedorapeople.org/echo/Actions/ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: dialog-cancel.png Type: image/png Size: 2111 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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At 32x32 and bellow FYI, I just checked oxygen icons and they use blue for the arrow, so I suggest you try blue as well :) Martin -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 197 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From luya at fedoraproject.org Mon Sep 22 03:44:39 2008 From: luya at fedoraproject.org (Luya Tshimbalanga) Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2008 20:44:39 -0700 Subject: [Echo,Actions] Various Dialog Related Icons, Final DRAFT In-Reply-To: <1222023668.3317.3.camel@pc-notebook> References: <1222023668.3317.3.camel@pc-notebook> Message-ID: <48D714A7.8040708@fedoraproject.org> Martin Sourada a ?crit : > Hi, > > I've just slightly updated 22x22 version of the dialog-* icons and > process-stop and added two new icons which share the same design concept > - help-information and window-close. For convenience I attach 32x32 > versions, one canvas SVGs and PNGs are at my fp.o page [1]. > > > Help-information icon seems out of place with it's serif "i". I noticed it is based from Oxygen theme. Can you try to make i with sans-serif or similar to Axialis theme[1]? Other icons are fine and can be pushed into git. Luya -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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What do people think? >> >> How about this? > > I was just-a-bit unhappy with the ribbon shape (its upper edge) and made > a *minor* adjustment. > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > I like this overall, but the text on the banner sounds like we're closing shop. If we could somehow add "and many more" or something similar to it, it'd be better in my opinion -- ~Michael http://michaelbox.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Use a translator as the posts are in French > language. > > Luya Would you mind giving us a summary? ~m From ivazqueznet at gmail.com Mon Sep 22 06:24:29 2008 From: ivazqueznet at gmail.com (Ignacio Vazquez-Abrams) Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2008 02:24:29 -0400 Subject: Round 3 theme and fedora-fr community In-Reply-To: <48D717EC.9070902@linuxgrrl.com> References: <48D55D9F.8080100@fedoraproject.org> <48D717EC.9070902@linuxgrrl.com> Message-ID: <1222064669.3433.116.camel@ignacio.lan> On Sun, 2008-09-21 at 23:58 -0400, M?ir?n Duffy wrote: > Hi Luya, I'm not Luya, but oh well. > Luya Tshimbalanga wrote: > > A poll was made following my posting[1] about the four theme that > > qualified for Round 3 in fedora-fr (the forum lacked tool for poll). > > You can view the result [2]. Use a translator as the posts are in French > > language. > > > > Luya > > Would you mind giving us a summary? Lots and lots and lots of people liked Solar. One person complained that the blue in the star was too bright. (if anything it's not bright enough, but that's a different story) A significant proportion of people liked InvinXble, but not all felt that a katana was appropriate for Fedora. And someone found the name unpronounceable. A few people liked Neon, but some thought that the colors were too shocking. A few people liked Gears, but some thought that it wasn't explored to its fullest potential. -- Ignacio Vazquez-Abrams PLEASE don't CC me; I'm already subscribed -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I noticed > it is based from Oxygen theme. > Can you try to make i with sans-serif or similar to Axialis theme[1]? > > Other icons are fine and can be pushed into git. > > Luya > Aah, good point! Fixed. Check the attachment. Martin -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: help-information.png Type: image/png Size: 32706 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: help-information.svg Type: image/svg+xml Size: 29031 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 197 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From martin.sourada at gmail.com Mon Sep 22 06:50:10 2008 From: martin.sourada at gmail.com (Martin Sourada) Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2008 08:50:10 +0200 Subject: [Echo] New view-sort-ascending icon set draft In-Reply-To: <48D72EE7.4070806@fedoraproject.org> References: <48D6119C.3080100@fedoraproject.org> <1221990154.25679.9.camel@pc-notebook> <48D72EE7.4070806@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <1222066210.3317.12.camel@pc-notebook> On Sun, 2008-09-21 at 22:36 -0700, Luya Tshimbalanga wrote: > I modified the tale shape of arrow, enlarge white inner line to 2px > and lighten the side. > Dots have radial gradients and are evenly distributed (3 instead of > 4). Also took suggestion > of making blue arrow. > > Luya That's much, much better. Few remaining comments: for ball-like objects, the most bright spot for the radial gradient is a little to top and a little to right (check e.g. applications-internet). The arrow still needs some love in 22x22 and 16x16, the white inner outline needs to be about 1px wide there. Also the shadow is too strong, try adding gradient, more blur and decrease opacity a little. Martin -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 197 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From luya at fedoraproject.org Mon Sep 22 07:06:52 2008 From: luya at fedoraproject.org (Luya Tshimbalanga) Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2008 00:06:52 -0700 Subject: Round 3 theme and fedora-fr community In-Reply-To: <48D717EC.9070902@linuxgrrl.com> References: <48D55D9F.8080100@fedoraproject.org> <48D717EC.9070902@linuxgrrl.com> Message-ID: <48D7440C.5020807@fedoraproject.org> M?ir?n Duffy a ?crit : > Hi Luya, > > > Would you mind giving us a summary? > Sure, here is summary of comments from fedora-fr for each theme: About Solar: - Sun to bright from one voter - Effects that brought back the success of Flying High theme from Fedora 7 - the most favourite theme by far About InvinXble - Split between the choice to have a katana or not - Some voters found the katana looks too much like the one from Kill Bill movie - Katana has too much presence - Petal effects from flower impressed the voters About Neon - Too colourful - Neon too big and too bright - Colours too classic About Gears: - Not enough blue - Retro style was disliked by most voters - Stream Punk was highlighted for the vote Some users would like to get ability to choose themes from round 3 not selected by defaut(login, background, grub, etc) . With a combined votes from both fedora-fr[1] and fedoraforum.org[2] and excluding "none of them" choice: Solar 67/135 49.6% InvinXble 50/135 37.0% Gears 10/135 7.4% Neon 8/135 6.0% References: [1] http://inalgnu.nomade-dz.com/sondage-les-themes-proposes-pour-fedora-10/ [2] http://forums.fedoraforum.org/poll.php?do=showresults&pollid=420 Luya -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 259 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From luya at fedoraproject.org Mon Sep 22 07:26:16 2008 From: luya at fedoraproject.org (Luya Tshimbalanga) Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2008 00:26:16 -0700 Subject: Round 3 theme and fedora-fr community In-Reply-To: <1222064669.3433.116.camel@ignacio.lan> References: <48D55D9F.8080100@fedoraproject.org> <48D717EC.9070902@linuxgrrl.com> <1222064669.3433.116.camel@ignacio.lan> Message-ID: <48D74898.1090505@fedoraproject.org> You beat me on that one. =) Luya From luya at fedoraproject.org Mon Sep 22 07:10:36 2008 From: luya at fedoraproject.org (Luya Tshimbalanga) Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2008 00:10:36 -0700 Subject: [Echo,Actions] Various Dialog Related Icons, Final DRAFT In-Reply-To: <1222065894.3317.6.camel@pc-notebook> References: <1222023668.3317.3.camel@pc-notebook> <48D714A7.8040708@fedoraproject.org> <1222065894.3317.6.camel@pc-notebook> Message-ID: <48D744EC.2090709@fedoraproject.org> Excellent. No further comment. Luya -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 259 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From luya at fedoraproject.org Mon Sep 22 07:30:17 2008 From: luya at fedoraproject.org (Luya Tshimbalanga) Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2008 00:30:17 -0700 Subject: [Echo] New view-sort-ascending icon set draft In-Reply-To: <1222066210.3317.12.camel@pc-notebook> References: <48D6119C.3080100@fedoraproject.org> <1221990154.25679.9.camel@pc-notebook> <48D72EE7.4070806@fedoraproject.org> <1222066210.3317.12.camel@pc-notebook> Message-ID: <48D74989.80609@fedoraproject.org> Martin Sourada a ?crit : > > That's much, much better. Few remaining comments: for ball-like objects, > the most bright spot for the radial gradient is a little to top and a > little to right (check e.g. applications-internet). The arrow still > needs some love in 22x22 and 16x16, the white inner outline needs to be > about 1px wide there. Also the shadow is too strong, try adding > gradient, more blur and decrease opacity a little. > > Shadow is fixed. Both 22x22 and 16x16 got outline sightly reduced to give more space to white inner outline. Ball object got radial gradient set at the right position. Luya -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: view-sort-ascending.png Type: image/png Size: 31651 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: view-sort-ascending.svg Type: image/svg+xml Size: 43392 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 259 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From martin.sourada at gmail.com Mon Sep 22 07:47:25 2008 From: martin.sourada at gmail.com (Martin Sourada) Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2008 09:47:25 +0200 Subject: [Echo] New view-sort-ascending icon set draft In-Reply-To: <48D74989.80609@fedoraproject.org> References: <48D6119C.3080100@fedoraproject.org> <1221990154.25679.9.camel@pc-notebook> <48D72EE7.4070806@fedoraproject.org> <1222066210.3317.12.camel@pc-notebook> <48D74989.80609@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <1222069645.3317.16.camel@pc-notebook> On Mon, 2008-09-22 at 00:30 -0700, Luya Tshimbalanga wrote: > Shadow is fixed. Both 22x22 and 16x16 got outline sightly reduced to > give more space to white inner outline. > Ball object got radial gradient set at the right position. > > Luya Hmm... still not feel good. The 22x22 is almost fixed, but the 16x16 is still hard to recognise... Perhaps you could try to simplify the shape a bit and better fill the available canvas? Martin -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 197 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From sstorari at byte-code.com Mon Sep 22 07:49:14 2008 From: sstorari at byte-code.com (Samuele Storari) Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2008 09:49:14 +0200 (CEST) Subject: R: Re: Round 3 theme and fedora-fr community In-Reply-To: <48D74898.1090505@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <811099206.8041222069754353.JavaMail.root@mail.byte-code.com> Wow! I can't believe it! The result is so impressive... I really can't immagine that. Sorry, but what about the official vote? Samuele ----- Messaggio originale ----- Da: "Luya Tshimbalanga" A: "Discussions about the artwork included with Fedora, including icons, themes, and wallpapers." Inviato: Luned?, 22 settembre 2008 9:26:16 GMT +01:00 Amsterdam/Berlino/Berna/Roma/Stoccolma/Vienna Oggetto: Re: Round 3 theme and fedora-fr community You beat me on that one. =) Luya _______________________________________________ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list at redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list -- Samuele Storari Art Director Byte-Code srl mobile: +39 347 50 798 32 office: +39 02 9840047 http://www.byte-code.com From mmornati at byte-code.com Mon Sep 22 08:07:43 2008 From: mmornati at byte-code.com (Marco Mornati) Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2008 10:07:43 +0200 Subject: R: Re: Round 3 theme and fedora-fr community In-Reply-To: <811099206.8041222069754353.JavaMail.root@mail.byte-code.com> References: <811099206.8041222069754353.JavaMail.root@mail.byte-code.com> Message-ID: <1222070863.3164.4.camel@mmornati.byte-code.lan> Hi, I read all comment on French Forum... Just a point... I noticed that there are some "problems" to have a Katana on a desktop and there were a propose to change with something like bamboo... I think that a substitution of katana with something different (different than an arms) change also the meaning of the "invinxible theme"... I'm also in agreement with vote with solar and invinxible in the first two positions! ;) Waiting for the final decision. Bye Marco On Mon, 2008-09-22 at 09:49 +0200, Samuele Storari wrote: > Wow! > > I can't believe it! > > The result is so impressive... I really can't immagine that. > Sorry, but what about the official vote? > > Samuele > > ----- Messaggio originale ----- > Da: "Luya Tshimbalanga" > A: "Discussions about the artwork included with Fedora, including icons, themes, and wallpapers." > Inviato: Luned?, 22 settembre 2008 9:26:16 GMT +01:00 Amsterdam/Berlino/Berna/Roma/Stoccolma/Vienna > Oggetto: Re: Round 3 theme and fedora-fr community > > You beat me on that one. =) > > Luya > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list > -- Dott. Ing. Mornati Marco Byte-Code s.r.l via Antonio Cechov, 1 San Giuliano Milanese (MI) E-Mail: mmornati at byte-code.com -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Perhaps you could try to simplify the shape a > > bit and better fill the available canvas? > > > > Martin > > > Arrows are enlarged for both 22x22 and 16x16. The latter should be > recognizable. > > Luya Still not quite right, so I decided to give it a go myself to see what can be done. See the attached result. Note that I also slightly changed the gradient to better fit with other icons (most notably I made it brighter). Martin -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: view-sort-ascending.png Type: image/png Size: 32306 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: view-sort-ascending.svg Type: image/svg+xml Size: 37763 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 197 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From luya at fedoraproject.org Mon Sep 22 09:10:27 2008 From: luya at fedoraproject.org (Luya Tshimbalanga) Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2008 02:10:27 -0700 Subject: [Echo] New view-sort-ascending icon set draft In-Reply-To: <1222073424.3317.18.camel@pc-notebook> References: <48D6119C.3080100@fedoraproject.org> <1221990154.25679.9.camel@pc-notebook> <48D72EE7.4070806@fedoraproject.org> <1222066210.3317.12.camel@pc-notebook> <48D74989.80609@fedoraproject.org> <1222069645.3317.16.camel@pc-notebook> <48D7555F.9010503@fedoraproject.org> <1222073424.3317.18.camel@pc-notebook> Message-ID: <48D76103.2060800@fedoraproject.org> Martin Sourada a ?crit : > Still not quite right, so I decided to give it a go myself to see what > can be done. See the attached result. Note that I also slightly changed > the gradient to better fit with other icons (most notably I made it > brighter). > I saw that you increased outline to 2.5 px on both 22x22 and 16x16. The latter looks good enough. Next target, view-sort-descending. Luya P.S: you haven?t reviewed last update of edit-clear. From martin.sourada at gmail.com Mon Sep 22 09:17:34 2008 From: martin.sourada at gmail.com (Martin Sourada) Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2008 11:17:34 +0200 Subject: [Echo] New edit-clear icons In-Reply-To: <48D5807F.4080209@fedoraproject.org> References: <48D559C3.7060107@fedoraproject.org> <1221942131.8852.48.camel@pc-notebook> <48D56312.9080003@fedoraproject.org> <1221944646.8852.54.camel@pc-notebook> <48D569FE.7060405@fedoraproject.org> <1221948820.25679.3.camel@pc-notebook> <48D5807F.4080209@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <1222075054.3317.22.camel@pc-notebook> On Sat, 2008-09-20 at 16:00 -0700, Luya Tshimbalanga wrote: > Martin Sourada a ?crit : > > Yeah, that is much better. Could you add some outline to the stripe as > > well? Also you could make the handle a little bit broader in the smaller > > sizes. Could you try using dark brown outline instead of the metallic > > one? I think it might work better. > > > > Martin > > > Icon updated with following suggestion: > - Added outline on stripe. > - Used dark brown outline instead metallic. > - Broader handle on smallest size icon. > > > Luya Oops, I forgot to actually reply to this... sorry about that :) Looks pretty good now, though at 48x48 the stripe border looks blurry and in smaller sizes it's not visible at all (but that does not matter much). On the 256x256 the stripe outline could be thinner and semi-transparent. The shadow is too intensive, decrease the opacity and it should be good enough :) Martin -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 259 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From gnomeuser at gmail.com Mon Sep 22 11:23:10 2008 From: gnomeuser at gmail.com (David Nielsen) Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2008 13:23:10 +0200 Subject: R: Re: Round 3 theme and fedora-fr community In-Reply-To: <1222070863.3164.4.camel@mmornati.byte-code.lan> References: <811099206.8041222069754353.JavaMail.root@mail.byte-code.com> <1222070863.3164.4.camel@mmornati.byte-code.lan> Message-ID: <1dedbbfc0809220423h6bda2834x4be9069f3722503b@mail.gmail.com> Den 22. sep. 2008 10.07 skrev Marco Mornati : > Hi, > > I read all comment on French Forum... > > Just a point... I noticed that there are some "problems" to have a > Katana on a desktop and there were a propose to change with something > like bamboo... I think that a substitution of katana with something > different (different than an arms) change also the meaning of the > "invinxible theme"... > > I'm also in agreement with vote with solar and invinxible in the first > two positions! ;) Invinxible is by far the nicest theme in my opinion. I don't really see a problem with having a nice katana on the desktop, the katana when invented was a marvel of technology, like Fedora is today. I have showed the invinxible theme to many people and not one has replied negatively in any way, artistically or as a result of offence over the motive. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From sstorari at byte-code.com Mon Sep 22 11:30:20 2008 From: sstorari at byte-code.com (Samuele Storari) Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2008 13:30:20 +0200 (CEST) Subject: R: Re: R: Re: Round 3 theme and fedora-fr community In-Reply-To: <1dedbbfc0809220423h6bda2834x4be9069f3722503b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <558241549.8601222083020428.JavaMail.root@mail.byte-code.com> Yep, Everyone who saw invinXble doesn't say nothing negative for the katana... More.. I think for this version we have to dare to use some strong - high impact visual. Sir & Miss this is the 10 version, if we mess this oppurnity we have to wait for the 100... :D maybe too long I think :D Dare, Dare & Dare. Samuele Ps: InvinXle is my favorite one... yes. ;) ----- Messaggio originale ----- Da: "David Nielsen" A: mmornati at byte-code.com, "Discussions about the artwork included with Fedora, including icons, themes, and wallpapers." Inviato: Luned?, 22 settembre 2008 13:23:10 GMT +01:00 Amsterdam/Berlino/Berna/Roma/Stoccolma/Vienna Oggetto: Re: R: Re: Round 3 theme and fedora-fr community Den 22. sep. 2008 10.07 skrev Marco Mornati < mmornati at byte-code.com > : Hi, I read all comment on French Forum... Just a point... I noticed that there are some "problems" to have a Katana on a desktop and there were a propose to change with something like bamboo... I think that a substitution of katana with something different (different than an arms) change also the meaning of the "invinxible theme"... I'm also in agreement with vote with solar and invinxible in the first two positions! ;) Invinxible is by far the nicest theme in my opinion. I don't really see a problem with having a nice katana on the desktop, the katana when invented was a marvel of technology, like Fedora is today. I have showed the invinxible theme to many people and not one has replied negatively in any way, artistically or as a result of offence over the motive. _______________________________________________ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list at redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list -- Samuele Storari Art Director Byte-Code srl mobile: +39 347 50 798 32 office: +39 02 9840047 http://www.byte-code.com From mairin at linuxgrrl.com Mon Sep 22 13:10:44 2008 From: mairin at linuxgrrl.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?M=E1ir=EDn_Duffy?=) Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2008 09:10:44 -0400 Subject: Round 3 Vote is now open Message-ID: <48D79954.3020100@linuxgrrl.com> Hi folks, Nigel Jones set up a vote for us to vote on round 3. You must be a member of the art group in the accounts system to be eligible to vote. Here is where you may vote: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/voting/about/f10art The voting will close on Wednesday, September 24 at 1 AM UTC (Sept 23, 9 PM ET). ~m From stickster at gmail.com Mon Sep 22 13:53:50 2008 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2008 09:53:50 -0400 Subject: Happy 5th Birthday banner In-Reply-To: <48D3DDB7.7080309@gmail.com> References: <1221823438.16213.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> <48D39344.6070604@nicubunu.ro> <48D3A96A.9060304@nicubunu.ro> <1221837068.2097.27.camel@localhost.localdomain> <48D3C7E0.1050502@fedoraproject.org> <48D3D37B.4020503@nicubunu.ro> <48D3DDB7.7080309@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1222091630.25208.58.camel@victoria-eth> On Fri, 2008-09-19 at 12:13 -0500, Michael Beckwith wrote: > > > I like this overall, but the text on the banner sounds like we're > closing shop. If we could somehow add "and many more" or something > similar to it, it'd be better in my opinion Maybe "Thank you, Fedora Community, for five great years and counting!" ...or "...five great years so far!" Hmm, that's a lot of text, but hopefully you design types -- with a better eye than mine -- can figure out a way to make it work properly. -- Paul W. Frields gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://paul.frields.org/ - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From stickster at gmail.com Mon Sep 22 13:53:50 2008 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2008 09:53:50 -0400 Subject: Happy 5th Birthday banner In-Reply-To: <48D3DDB7.7080309@gmail.com> References: <1221823438.16213.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> <48D39344.6070604@nicubunu.ro> <48D3A96A.9060304@nicubunu.ro> <1221837068.2097.27.camel@localhost.localdomain> <48D3C7E0.1050502@fedoraproject.org> <48D3D37B.4020503@nicubunu.ro> <48D3DDB7.7080309@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1222091630.25208.58.camel@victoria-eth> On Fri, 2008-09-19 at 12:13 -0500, Michael Beckwith wrote: > > > I like this overall, but the text on the banner sounds like we're > closing shop. If we could somehow add "and many more" or something > similar to it, it'd be better in my opinion Maybe "Thank you, Fedora Community, for five great years and counting!" ...or "...five great years so far!" Hmm, that's a lot of text, but hopefully you design types -- with a better eye than mine -- can figure out a way to make it work properly. -- Paul W. Frields gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://paul.frields.org/ - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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The other > problem is that because there is a directional shade across the gear > image I used, it looks a bit naff when that shade then rotates and the > shades of the different gears are at different angles. > > The solar one on the other hand is rather difficult to make. Animating > the flares is quite hard but I think I should have something to show > quite soon. I added some shading to the invinXble theme [1]. And I had a bit of a go at creating solar flares[2] on the solar theme[3]. This still needs quite a bit of work and it doesn't look as nice as thee invinXble one. [1] http://www.cs.man.ac.uk/~brejc8/temp/3.swf [3] http://www.crystalinks.com/solarflare105a.jpg [2] http://www.cs.man.ac.uk/~brejc8/temp/4.swf From mairin at linuxgrrl.com Mon Sep 22 15:47:34 2008 From: mairin at linuxgrrl.com (=?UTF-8?B?TcOhaXLDrW4gRHVmZnk=?=) Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2008 11:47:34 -0400 Subject: R: Re: R: Re: Round 3 theme and fedora-fr community In-Reply-To: <558241549.8601222083020428.JavaMail.root@mail.byte-code.com> References: <558241549.8601222083020428.JavaMail.root@mail.byte-code.com> Message-ID: <48D7BE16.4060501@linuxgrrl.com> Samuele Storari wrote: > Yep, > > Everyone who saw invinXble doesn't say nothing negative for the katana... I do have an issue with Fedora being represented with a weapon and I've seen other feedback to this effect in IRC and I believe on this list. ~m From sebastian at when.com Mon Sep 22 16:15:15 2008 From: sebastian at when.com (Sebastian Dziallas) Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2008 18:15:15 +0200 Subject: State of Fedora Education Artwork Message-ID: <48D7C493.4060000@when.com> Hi all, I just wanted to give a short update on the state of the artwork request for the Education SIG [1]. Maria has created and sent me some time ago a wiki banner, which looks really good! Can we go with it and start using it? On the other hand, I'm right now working on a science spin for Fedora - does anybody have a wallpaper idea for this one? Thanks a lot. --Sebastian [1] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/DesignService#Fedora_Education From gort.klaatu at gmail.com Mon Sep 22 16:18:47 2008 From: gort.klaatu at gmail.com (Klaatu) Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2008 09:18:47 -0700 Subject: R: Re: R: Re: Round 3 theme and fedora-fr community In-Reply-To: <48D7BE16.4060501@linuxgrrl.com> References: <558241549.8601222083020428.JavaMail.root@mail.byte-code.com> <48D7BE16.4060501@linuxgrrl.com> Message-ID: I am not clear, is this to be the final katana or is it still being swapped out with a newly photographed one? I recall there being an issue with licensing, and thought we would be seeing a different sword...but maybe I missed the thread in which all of this was solved. -klaatu On Mon, Sep 22, 2008 at 8:47 AM, M?ir?n Duffy wrote: > > > Samuele Storari wrote: > >> Yep, >> >> Everyone who saw invinXble doesn't say nothing negative for the katana... >> > > I do have an issue with Fedora being represented with a weapon and I've > seen other feedback to this effect in IRC and I believe on this list. > > ~m > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list > -- --- uzu linukso. subtenu libera programaro. kotizu al http://www.thebadapples.info/ogg.xml http://www.thebadapples.info/fedorareloaded/ogg.xml -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Can we go with it and start using it? > > On the other hand, I'm right now working on a science spin for Fedora - > does anybody have a wallpaper idea for this one? > > Thanks a lot. > > --Sebastian > > [1] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/DesignService#Fedora_Education > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list > -- tatica Maria Gracia Leandro http://www.tatica.org http://www.iseit.net http://www.latinux.org http://www.latinux.com http://www.fedora-ve.org http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/MariaLeandro LinuxUser= 440285 GPG Public Key: E1CDCC56 "Be yourself... Don't be anyone else" -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Here is a reminder of what you need to do in order to be considered for membership in the FAS art group, as outlined on the Fedora Art Team main wiki page [1]: -1- Join this mailing list -2- Send an introduction to the mailing list, talking about your art/design experience and interests so we'll know what kinds of design tasks you might be interested in helping out with. -3- Complete a small design task such as one at the design service queue or email the fedora-art-list mailing list to be assigned a task. -4- Once you've completed an initial draft of your design task, submit it to the fedora-art-list for feedback. Once the task has been completed and approved, you may then proceed with requesting access to the art group. If you have not fulfilled these 4 steps, your membership request will not be approved. If you have done work for the art team in the past but have not applied for art group membership for whatever reason, or if you have applied for membership but it is still unapproved, I would greatly appreciate if you would email fedora-art-list with a note saying that you are applying for art group membership, and also noting which work(s) you completed that you'd like considered in your application. Thanks! ~m [1] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork#First_Steps From gmureddu at prodigy.net.mx Mon Sep 22 17:22:05 2008 From: gmureddu at prodigy.net.mx (Gian Paolo Mureddu) Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2008 12:22:05 -0500 Subject: Plymouth animated startup In-Reply-To: <48D7A72E.1010705@brej.org> References: <48CC12DC.900@brej.org> <48D3F8C7.9040404@fedoraproject.org> <48D6425B.7030806@brej.org> <48D7A72E.1010705@brej.org> Message-ID: <48D7D43D.90305@prodigy.net.mx> Charlie Brej escribi?: > I added some shading to the invinXble theme [1]. And I had a bit of a > go at creating solar flares[2] on the solar theme[3]. This still needs > quite a bit of work and it doesn't look as nice as thee invinXble one. > > [1] http://www.cs.man.ac.uk/~brejc8/temp/3.swf > [3] http://www.crystalinks.com/solarflare105a.jpg > [2] http://www.cs.man.ac.uk/~brejc8/temp/4.swf I LOVE the solar animation!! Looks incredible! Very nice work. Now I'm eager to see this on F10 :-) From sebastian at when.com Mon Sep 22 17:28:52 2008 From: sebastian at when.com (Sebastian Dziallas) Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2008 19:28:52 +0200 Subject: State of Fedora Education Artwork In-Reply-To: <27a6293b0809221008m63ccf1ceh252986033ce5e2bc@mail.gmail.com> References: <48D7C493.4060000@when.com> <27a6293b0809221008m63ccf1ceh252986033ce5e2bc@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <48D7D5D4.5080603@when.com> Mar?a Leandro wrote: > something like this? > > http://tatica.org/tux/fedora-science-pe.png > > http://tatica.org/tux/fedora-education-pe.png > > (just draws) Yeah! Looks really good so far... the first one looks good for a science spin (even if it seems to be kind of chemistry-related) and the second one might be fitting for a spin related to younger children... Thanks :) > 2008/9/23 Sebastian Dziallas > > > Hi all, > > I just wanted to give a short update on the state of the artwork > request for the Education SIG [1]. > > Maria has created and sent me some time ago a wiki banner, which > looks really good! Can we go with it and start using it? > > On the other hand, I'm right now working on a science spin for > Fedora - does anybody have a wallpaper idea for this one? > > Thanks a lot. > > --Sebastian > > [1] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/DesignService#Fedora_Education From br4in5t0rmm at gmail.com Mon Sep 22 17:59:37 2008 From: br4in5t0rmm at gmail.com (Erick Henrique) Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2008 14:59:37 -0300 Subject: Game graphics needed - Project: Starfighter In-Reply-To: <48D10D1A.2000502@hhs.nl> References: <48CFC2D0.2060102@nicubunu.ro> <67d66b7b0809160753j6f1b679er823bd9b921b74347@mail.gmail.com> <48CFCEF2.30701@nicubunu.ro> <67d66b7b0809161127g20c6027es13e00e1a943459a0@mail.gmail.com> <48D0E388.9010100@nicubunu.ro> <48D10D1A.2000502@hhs.nl> Message-ID: <67d66b7b0809221059n4bcc8081h65d5b1cd1035220d@mail.gmail.com> Hi Hans and Nicu See the 2 ships that I drew for the Starfighter game. Later sending the other conceptual images and avatars. When to conclude the other ships I will generate one pixel art to see as they are the sprites in the compiled game. I can publish in wiki of the project to starfighter my progress? Hugs Erick Goes On Wed, Sep 17, 2008 at 10:58 AM, Hans de Goede wrote: > Nicu Buculei wrote: > >> Erick Henrique wrote: >> >>> >>> Hi Hans >>> >> >> Erick, >> >> AFAIK, Hans is not subscribed to out list, so you may need to add him to >> CC: (or just use the "reply all" button). >> >> > Correct, I didn't see the original mail thanks for CC-ing me. > > Then, we need to redesign all the graphs of the game and will use in a >>> version 100% free under GPL, including the sounds and music. Correct? >>> I go to unpack the archive starfighter.pak and to study a form of I >>> redesign everything in a new style. >>> >> >> Unpack the tar.gz. >> >> Is up to you if you want to redo all the graphic set: 176 images, but some >> are really simple and some are just left-right mirrored. >> I guess it may be simpler to start from scratch than learning a different >> style. >> >> You could create wiki for me, please, Nicu. Who more goes helping in them >>> in this mission? =) >>> >> >> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/Game_Starfighter >> >> For example, joining the archives of sound and musics that will >>> substitute the originals of the Starfighter project. I will make the >>> drawings. >>> >> >> As I understand, the music and sounds are already taken care of, probably >> resolved. >> >> > No they are not already replaced, but there is plenty of experience in > replacing troublesome sounds and music within the Games SIG and there > enough places were one can get music and/or sounds matching Fedora's > Licensing guidelines. > > So one the graphics are done I or someone else from the Games SIG can > easily replace the sounds and music with something we can ship. > > Regards, > > Hans > > p.s. > > About recreating the .pak file I need to write a little utility for that, > hopefully I'll have time for that this weekend. > > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list > -- http://www.projetofedora.org http://www.mytoons.com/br4in *********************************************** DESIGN LIVRE *********************************************** <> -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Kevin Kofler From tatadbb at gmail.com Mon Sep 22 20:21:28 2008 From: tatadbb at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Mar=EDa_Leandro?=) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2008 15:51:28 +1930 Subject: State of Fedora Education Artwork In-Reply-To: <48D7D5D4.5080603@when.com> References: <48D7C493.4060000@when.com> <27a6293b0809221008m63ccf1ceh252986033ce5e2bc@mail.gmail.com> <48D7D5D4.5080603@when.com> Message-ID: <27a6293b0809221321m3b5a5131k5f30bc30e86273c2@mail.gmail.com> just another idea http://tatica.org/tux/fedora-edu-wp2-wide.png 2008/9/23 Sebastian Dziallas > Mar?a Leandro wrote: > >> something like this? >> >> http://tatica.org/tux/fedora-science-pe.png >> >> http://tatica.org/tux/fedora-education-pe.png >> >> (just draws) >> > > Yeah! Looks really good so far... the first one looks good for a science > spin (even if it seems to be kind of chemistry-related) and the second one > might be fitting for a spin related to younger children... > > Thanks :) > > 2008/9/23 Sebastian Dziallas > sebastian at when.com>> >> >> Hi all, >> >> I just wanted to give a short update on the state of the artwork >> request for the Education SIG [1]. >> >> Maria has created and sent me some time ago a wiki banner, which >> looks really good! Can we go with it and start using it? >> >> On the other hand, I'm right now working on a science spin for >> Fedora - does anybody have a wallpaper idea for this one? >> >> Thanks a lot. >> >> --Sebastian >> >> [1] >> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/DesignService#Fedora_Education >> > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list > -- tatica Maria Gracia Leandro http://www.tatica.org http://www.iseit.net http://www.latinux.org http://www.latinux.com http://www.fedora-ve.org http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/MariaLeandro LinuxUser= 440285 GPG Public Key: E1CDCC56 "Be yourself... Don't be anyone else" -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From sebastian at when.com Tue Sep 23 05:02:06 2008 From: sebastian at when.com (Sebastian Dziallas) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2008 07:02:06 +0200 Subject: State of Fedora Education Artwork In-Reply-To: <27a6293b0809221321m3b5a5131k5f30bc30e86273c2@mail.gmail.com> References: <48D7C493.4060000@when.com> <27a6293b0809221008m63ccf1ceh252986033ce5e2bc@mail.gmail.com> <48D7D5D4.5080603@when.com> <27a6293b0809221321m3b5a5131k5f30bc30e86273c2@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <48D8784E.8000707@when.com> Mar?a Leandro wrote: > just another idea > > http://tatica.org/tux/fedora-edu-wp2-wide.png Yeah! Again thumbs up :) I like it. I'm wondering how it could be best integrated in a wallpaper... > 2008/9/23 Sebastian Dziallas > > > Mar?a Leandro wrote: > > something like this? > > http://tatica.org/tux/fedora-science-pe.png > > http://tatica.org/tux/fedora-education-pe.png > > (just draws) > > > Yeah! Looks really good so far... the first one looks good for a > science spin (even if it seems to be kind of chemistry-related) and > the second one might be fitting for a spin related to younger > children... > > Thanks :) > > 2008/9/23 Sebastian Dziallas >> > > > Hi all, > > I just wanted to give a short update on the state of the artwork > request for the Education SIG [1]. > > Maria has created and sent me some time ago a wiki banner, which > looks really good! Can we go with it and start using it? > > On the other hand, I'm right now working on a science spin for > Fedora - does anybody have a wallpaper idea for this one? > > Thanks a lot. > > --Sebastian > > [1] > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/DesignService#Fedora_Education From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Tue Sep 23 06:12:12 2008 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2008 09:12:12 +0300 Subject: State of Fedora Education Artwork In-Reply-To: <27a6293b0809221008m63ccf1ceh252986033ce5e2bc@mail.gmail.com> References: <48D7C493.4060000@when.com> <27a6293b0809221008m63ccf1ceh252986033ce5e2bc@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <48D888BC.3040006@nicubunu.ro> Mar?a Leandro wrote: > something like this? > > http://tatica.org/tux/fedora-science-pe.png I like this one better but maybe with *less* bright colors. > http://tatica.org/tux/fedora-education-pe.png > > (just draws) -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Tue Sep 23 06:13:52 2008 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2008 09:13:52 +0300 Subject: State of Fedora Education Artwork In-Reply-To: <27a6293b0809221321m3b5a5131k5f30bc30e86273c2@mail.gmail.com> References: <48D7C493.4060000@when.com> <27a6293b0809221008m63ccf1ceh252986033ce5e2bc@mail.gmail.com> <48D7D5D4.5080603@when.com> <27a6293b0809221321m3b5a5131k5f30bc30e86273c2@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <48D88920.5020405@nicubunu.ro> Mar?a Leandro wrote: > just another idea > > http://tatica.org/tux/fedora-edu-wp2-wide.png Sorry, but I not think this one is a good idea, it is disturbingly similar to http://images.google.com/images?q=vista+box&btnG=Search+Images -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Tue Sep 23 06:36:38 2008 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2008 09:36:38 +0300 Subject: FedoraQA Art Request In-Reply-To: <27a6293b0809221245h6908e879k8347066f5a507bca@mail.gmail.com> References: <27a6293b0809221245h6908e879k8347066f5a507bca@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <48D88E76.2040905@nicubunu.ro> Mar?a Leandro wrote: > > I was reading the Artwork Design Service and some ideas came up on the > FedoraQA open request. I was talking a little with jlaska at the IRC > channel and this are two propositions. (draws). > > Hope some like it :D > > http://tatica.org/tux/FedoraQA.png > > http://tatica.org/tux/FedoraQA2.png Here the requester has the final word, but I like better the first one. Maybe with the graphic (magnifier and window) a little to the left. And with the window title bar bright blue, as in default Nodoka, so it looks like Fedora. -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Tue Sep 23 06:45:21 2008 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2008 09:45:21 +0300 Subject: Game graphics needed - Project: Starfighter In-Reply-To: <67d66b7b0809221059n4bcc8081h65d5b1cd1035220d@mail.gmail.com> References: <48CFC2D0.2060102@nicubunu.ro> <67d66b7b0809160753j6f1b679er823bd9b921b74347@mail.gmail.com> <48CFCEF2.30701@nicubunu.ro> <67d66b7b0809161127g20c6027es13e00e1a943459a0@mail.gmail.com> <48D0E388.9010100@nicubunu.ro> <48D10D1A.2000502@hhs.nl> <67d66b7b0809221059n4bcc8081h65d5b1cd1035220d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <48D89081.3070406@nicubunu.ro> Erick Henrique wrote: > Hi Hans and Nicu > > See the 2 ships that I drew for the Starfighter game. Later sending the > other conceptual images and avatars. This is interesting, I would like to see how they look inside the game. > When to conclude the other ships I will generate one pixel art to see as > they are the sprites in the compiled game. > > I can publish in wiki of the project to starfighter my progress? Sure, please do. -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Tue Sep 23 07:01:03 2008 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2008 10:01:03 +0300 Subject: R: Re: R: Re: Round 3 theme and fedora-fr community In-Reply-To: References: <558241549.8601222083020428.JavaMail.root@mail.byte-code.com> <48D7BE16.4060501@linuxgrrl.com> Message-ID: <48D8942F.4040402@nicubunu.ro> Klaatu wrote: > I am not clear, is this to be the final katana or is it still being > swapped out with a newly photographed one? I recall there being an > issue with licensing, and thought we would be seeing a different > sword...but maybe I missed the thread in which all of this was solved. Honestly, I have some doubts about hat: sstorari *claimed* he remade the image using his own (Free) photo as a base and he posted the reference photo: http://www.flickr.com/photos/sstorari/2826852493/ While it looks pretty much like a katana (just like the photos used previously), the sword in the photo is not at the same angle as the sword in the wallpaper (so the hilt looks different), which make me have some doubts. But I am known to be paranoid. -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From gmureddu at prodigy.net.mx Mon Sep 22 17:16:00 2008 From: gmureddu at prodigy.net.mx (Gian Paolo Mureddu) Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2008 12:16:00 -0500 Subject: Happy 5th Birthday banner - Italian version In-Reply-To: <48D6C1A9.7050704@gmail.com> References: <1221823438.16213.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> <48D39344.6070604@nicubunu.ro> <48D3A96A.9060304@nicubunu.ro> <1221837068.2097.27.camel@localhost.localdomain> <48D3C7E0.1050502@fedoraproject.org> <48D3D37B.4020503@nicubunu.ro> <48D6C1A9.7050704@gmail.com> Message-ID: <48D7D2D0.6020509@prodigy.net.mx> Paolo Leoni escribi?: > I've attached Italian translation of two bigger "5 years birthday" banners. > > Good banner :-) > I have done a translation of the banner to Spanish, following your banners as template. 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At any rate, I have used URW Gothic > L in substitution, this is work in progress as I'll most likely use > another font, just a quick prototype to see how it looks in Spanish. yum install -y mgopen-fonts Read more about this font and why we are using it here:http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Logo/UsageGuidelines#Complementary_Font -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From sstorari at byte-code.com Tue Sep 23 09:50:54 2008 From: sstorari at byte-code.com (Samuele Storari) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2008 11:50:54 +0200 (CEST) Subject: R: Re: R: Re: R: Re: Round 3 theme and fedora-fr community In-Reply-To: <48D8942F.4040402@nicubunu.ro> Message-ID: <847955061.9561222163454089.JavaMail.root@mail.byte-code.com> sstorari *claimed* that he had remade the photo cos he had remade the photo. If u take a look in the source before write something u can see that the problem was solved creatin' the blade from 0. I think it's clear this sword is totally a patchwork of various level created. Just take a look to the level "Blade_White Copy" as u can see this piece was totally fake. Created by using the clone tool, in fact u see it's totally the same in every part. It was created by taken a first part from the photo and than manipuleted. As for other parts. The Hilt was totally reworked using dodge/burn tool and other "effect" of photomanipulation but u know they don't create new layer. So just a little question: If u can't do something, it means that it can't be done? Sorry, but I'm a lil sick to try to defend my work everyday and u wait til the last day to make a "new" question? Cheers Samuele ----- Messaggio originale ----- Da: "Nicu Buculei" A: "Discussions about the artwork included with Fedora, including icons, themes, and wallpapers." Inviato: Marted?, 23 settembre 2008 9:01:03 GMT +01:00 Amsterdam/Berlino/Berna/Roma/Stoccolma/Vienna Oggetto: Re: R: Re: R: Re: Round 3 theme and fedora-fr community Klaatu wrote: > I am not clear, is this to be the final katana or is it still being > swapped out with a newly photographed one? I recall there being an > issue with licensing, and thought we would be seeing a different > sword...but maybe I missed the thread in which all of this was solved. Honestly, I have some doubts about hat: sstorari *claimed* he remade the image using his own (Free) photo as a base and he posted the reference photo: http://www.flickr.com/photos/sstorari/2826852493/ While it looks pretty much like a katana (just like the photos used previously), the sword in the photo is not at the same angle as the sword in the wallpaper (so the hilt looks different), which make me have some doubts. But I am known to be paranoid. -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro _______________________________________________ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list at redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list -- Samuele Storari Art Director Byte-Code srl mobile: +39 347 50 798 32 office: +39 02 9840047 http://www.byte-code.com From sstorari at byte-code.com Tue Sep 23 08:40:20 2008 From: sstorari at byte-code.com (Samuele Storari) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2008 10:40:20 +0200 (CEST) Subject: R: Re: R: Re: R: Re: Round 3 theme and fedora-fr community In-Reply-To: <417784579.9491222158966517.JavaMail.root@mail.byte-code.com> Message-ID: <14921828.9511222159220727.JavaMail.root@mail.byte-code.com> sstorari *claimed* that he had remade the photo cos he had remade the photo. If u take a look in the source before write something u can see that the problem was solved creatin' the blade from 0. I think it's clear this sword is totally a patchwork of various level created. Just take a look to the level "Blade_White Copy" as u can see this piece was totally fake. Created by using the clone tool, in fact u see it's totally the same in every part. It was created by taken a first part from the photo and than manipuleted. As for other parts. The Hilt was totally reworked using dodge/burn tool and other "effect" of photomanipulation but u know they don't create new layer. So just a little question: If u can't do something, it means that it can't be done? Sorry, but I'm a lil sick to try to defend my work everyday and u wait til the last day to make a "new" question? Cheers Samuele ----- Messaggio originale ----- Da: "Nicu Buculei" A: "Discussions about the artwork included with Fedora, including icons, themes, and wallpapers." Inviato: Marted?, 23 settembre 2008 9:01:03 GMT +01:00 Amsterdam/Berlino/Berna/Roma/Stoccolma/Vienna Oggetto: Re: R: Re: R: Re: Round 3 theme and fedora-fr community Klaatu wrote: > I am not clear, is this to be the final katana or is it still being > swapped out with a newly photographed one? I recall there being an > issue with licensing, and thought we would be seeing a different > sword...but maybe I missed the thread in which all of this was solved. Honestly, I have some doubts about hat: sstorari *claimed* he remade the image using his own (Free) photo as a base and he posted the reference photo: http://www.flickr.com/photos/sstorari/2826852493/ While it looks pretty much like a katana (just like the photos used previously), the sword in the photo is not at the same angle as the sword in the wallpaper (so the hilt looks different), which make me have some doubts. But I am known to be paranoid. -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro _______________________________________________ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list at redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list -- Samuele Storari Art Director Byte-Code srl mobile: +39 347 50 798 32 office: +39 02 9840047 http://www.byte-code.com From luca at foppiano.org Tue Sep 23 10:04:49 2008 From: luca at foppiano.org (Luca Foppiano) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2008 12:04:49 +0200 Subject: Round 3 theme and fedora-fr community In-Reply-To: <847955061.9561222163454089.JavaMail.root@mail.byte-code.com> References: <847955061.9561222163454089.JavaMail.root@mail.byte-code.com> Message-ID: <1222164289.3551.7.camel@sboing.byte-code.lan> On Tue, 2008-09-23 at 11:50 +0200, Samuele Storari wrote: > sstorari *claimed* that he had remade the photo cos he had remade the > photo. If u take a look in the source before write something u can see > that the problem was solved creatin' the blade from 0. I think it's > clear this sword is totally a patchwork of various level created. Just > take a look to the level "Blade_White Copy" as u can see this piece > was totally fake. Created by using the clone tool, in fact u see it's > totally the same in every part. It was created by taken a first part > from the photo and than manipuleted. As for other parts. The Hilt was > totally reworked using dodge/burn tool and other "effect" of > photomanipulation but u know they don't create new layer. > > So just a little question: If u can't do something, it means that it > can't be done? Sorry, but I'm a lil sick to try to defend my work > everyday and u wait til the last day to make a "new" question? I completely agree! Sometime I don't understand which is the real goal: find *the best* fedora theme or do whatever to try to denigrate the others? This is the point. And *is related to some issues and questions* about Samuele work. Luca -- Today is Sweetmorn, the 47th day of Bureaucracy in the YOLD 3174 A celebrity is a person who is known for his well-knownness. From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Tue Sep 23 10:42:16 2008 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2008 13:42:16 +0300 Subject: R: Re: R: Re: R: Re: Round 3 theme and fedora-fr community In-Reply-To: <847955061.9561222163454089.JavaMail.root@mail.byte-code.com> References: <847955061.9561222163454089.JavaMail.root@mail.byte-code.com> Message-ID: <48D8C808.1020109@nicubunu.ro> Samuele Storari wrote: > > Sorry, but I'm a lil sick to try to defend my work everyday and u wait til the last day to make a "new" question? Well, Klaatu asked and I answered to the best of my knowledge. I have not waited until the last day, this is something I said all along, see [1], but didn't make much fuss about it as the most likely scenario is that *Solar* will be used in F10 and the license of InvinXible will not matter that much. [1] - http://forums.fedoraforum.org/showpost.php?p=1081998&postcount=67 -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From sstorari at byte-code.com Tue Sep 23 10:49:34 2008 From: sstorari at byte-code.com (Samuele Storari) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2008 12:49:34 +0200 (CEST) Subject: R: Re: R: Re: R: Re: R: Re: Round 3 theme and fedora-fr community In-Reply-To: <1706007980.10011222166867388.JavaMail.root@mail.byte-code.com> Message-ID: <2051201791.10031222166974543.JavaMail.root@mail.byte-code.com> ----- Messaggio originale ----- Da: "Nicu Buculei" A: "Discussions about the artwork included with Fedora, including icons, themes, and wallpapers." Inviato: Marted?, 23 settembre 2008 12:42:16 GMT +01:00 Amsterdam/Berlino/Berna/Roma/Stoccolma/Vienna Oggetto: Re: R: Re: R: Re: R: Re: Round 3 theme and fedora-fr community Samuele Storari wrote: > > Sorry, but I'm a lil sick to try to defend my work everyday and u wait til the last day to make a "new" question? Well, Klaatu asked and I answered to the best of my knowledge. Yes, but the leave out the sarcasm. we don't need it :D We don't need too to continue in this useless argument. I think both have understand. I have not waited until the last day, this is something I said all along, see [1], but didn't make much fuss about it as the most likely scenario is that *Solar* will be used in F10 and the license of InvinXible will not matter that much. [1] - http://forums.fedoraforum.org/showpost.php?p=1081998&postcount=67 -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro _______________________________________________ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list at redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list -- Samuele Storari Art Director Byte-Code srl mobile: +39 347 50 798 32 office: +39 02 9840047 http://www.byte-code.com From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Tue Sep 23 11:08:40 2008 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2008 14:08:40 +0300 Subject: Round 3 theme and fedora-fr community In-Reply-To: <1222164289.3551.7.camel@sboing.byte-code.lan> References: <847955061.9561222163454089.JavaMail.root@mail.byte-code.com> <1222164289.3551.7.camel@sboing.byte-code.lan> Message-ID: <48D8CE38.2000207@nicubunu.ro> Luca Foppiano wrote: > > I completely agree! Sometime I don't understand which is the real goal: > find *the best* fedora theme or do whatever to try to denigrate the > others? The real goal is to create a Free theme, using as much as possible Free tools, by a team working in an open and collaborative process. -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From stickster at gmail.com Tue Sep 23 11:36:33 2008 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2008 07:36:33 -0400 Subject: Happy 5th Birthday banner In-Reply-To: <1222091630.25208.58.camel@victoria-eth> References: <1221823438.16213.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> <48D39344.6070604@nicubunu.ro> <48D3A96A.9060304@nicubunu.ro> <1221837068.2097.27.camel@localhost.localdomain> <48D3C7E0.1050502@fedoraproject.org> <48D3D37B.4020503@nicubunu.ro> <48D3DDB7.7080309@gmail.com> <1222091630.25208.58.camel@victoria-eth> Message-ID: <1222169793.22903.18.camel@victoria-eth.internal.frields.org> On Mon, 2008-09-22 at 09:53 -0400, Paul W. Frields wrote: > On Fri, 2008-09-19 at 12:13 -0500, Michael Beckwith wrote: > > > > > > I like this overall, but the text on the banner sounds like we're > > closing shop. If we could somehow add "and many more" or something > > similar to it, it'd be better in my opinion > > Maybe "Thank you, Fedora Community, for five great years and counting!" > > ...or "...five great years so far!" > > Hmm, that's a lot of text, but hopefully you design types -- with a > better eye than mine -- can figure out a way to make it work properly. I tried doing this myself this morning, without any luck or success. If anyone can get this banner working this morning, I'll talk to the admins about putting it up tonight. -- Paul W. Frields gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://paul.frields.org/ - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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(draws). > > > > Hope some like it :D > > > > http://tatica.org/tux/FedoraQA.png > > > > http://tatica.org/tux/FedoraQA2.png > > Here the requester has the final word, but I like better the first one. > Maybe with the graphic (magnifier and window) a little to the left. And > with the window title bar bright blue, as in default Nodoka, so it looks > like Fedora. It's probably also good to get the "fedora" and "QA" text aligned on the same baseline -- the former seems a bit higher off the reflection than the latter. -- Paul W. Frields gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://paul.frields.org/ - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Frields) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2008 07:57:04 -0400 Subject: Round 3 theme and fedora-fr community In-Reply-To: <847955061.9561222163454089.JavaMail.root@mail.byte-code.com> References: <847955061.9561222163454089.JavaMail.root@mail.byte-code.com> Message-ID: <1222171024.22903.26.camel@victoria-eth.internal.frields.org> On Tue, 2008-09-23 at 11:50 +0200, Samuele Storari wrote: > sstorari *claimed* that he had remade the photo cos he had remade the photo. > If u take a look in the source before write something u can see that the problem was solved creatin' the blade from 0. > I think it's clear this sword is totally a patchwork of various level created. > Just take a look to the level "Blade_White Copy" as u can see this piece was totally fake. > Created by using the clone tool, in fact u see it's totally the same in every part. > It was created by taken a first part from the photo and than manipuleted. > As for other parts. > The Hilt was totally reworked using dodge/burn tool and other "effect" of photomanipulation but u know they don't create new layer. > > So just a little question: If u can't do something, it means that it can't be done? > Sorry, but I'm a lil sick to try to defend my work everyday and u wait til the last day to make a "new" question? Samuele, I'm a big fan of Quentin Tarantino, and collected some desktop backgrounds when Kill Bill Vol. 1 was going to be released. One of the backgrounds features a katana sword which looks to me to be identical to the one in your source .XCF file: http://img1.jurko.net/wall/paper/hattorihanzo_1280.jpg When we talk about having an entirely free desktop theme, it means that *all* the elements must be created from free sources. Is this sword graphic -- the one used in the Kill Bill poster and apparently your source -- available for free use, modification, and distribution? If it is, there's absolutely no problem with the InvinXble theme. If it's not then we can't use this theme for Fedora 10. -- Paul W. Frields gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://paul.frields.org/ - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I think this should do it... -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: 5years-banner-large1.png Type: image/png Size: 104205 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: 5years-banner-large1.svg Type: image/svg+xml Size: 75461 bytes Desc: not available URL: From stickster at gmail.com Tue Sep 23 12:13:17 2008 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2008 12:13:17 +0000 Subject: Happy 5th Birthday banner In-Reply-To: <48D8DBAB.2080909@nicubunu.ro> References: <1221823438.16213.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> <48D39344.6070604@nicubunu.ro> <48D3A96A.9060304@nicubunu.ro> <1221837068.2097.27.camel@localhost.localdomain> <48D3C7E0.1050502@fedoraproject.org> <48D3D37B.4020503@nicubunu.ro> <48D3DDB7.7080309@gmail.com> <1222091630.25208.58.camel@victoria-eth> <1222169793.22903.18.camel@victoria-eth.internal.frields.org> <48D8DBAB.2080909@nicubunu.ro> Message-ID: <1222171997.22903.30.camel@victoria-eth.internal.frields.org> On Tue, 2008-09-23 at 15:06 +0300, Nicu Buculei wrote: > Paul W. Frields wrote: > > > > I tried doing this myself this morning, without any luck or success. If > > anyone can get this banner working this morning, I'll talk to the admins > > about putting it up tonight. > > I think this should do it... Superb! We just spoke with Ricky in IRC so I *think* this is on its way to the web site, but just in case, let me make that request here... if anyone wants me to file a ticket, I'm happy to do so! Personally I would love to have this up on the site for about 15 days. A couple weeks is not too long a time to celebrate 5 years of one awesome community. :-) -- Paul W. Frields gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://paul.frields.org/ - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From sstorari at byte-code.com Tue Sep 23 12:18:08 2008 From: sstorari at byte-code.com (Samuele Storari) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2008 14:18:08 +0200 (CEST) Subject: R: Re: Round 3 theme and fedora-fr community In-Reply-To: <1853336789.10111222171772688.JavaMail.root@mail.byte-code.com> Message-ID: <1776173007.10131222172288676.JavaMail.root@mail.byte-code.com> Part of my idea come from part of that image. YES But the desktop was created by USING free source and this is the last time I will say it. The Hattory Hanzo katana is a katana u know a katana. Katana is for most similar: I link for u some photo so u can see what I mean: http://www.flickr.com/photos/scumfrog/222867694/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/scumfrog/134196791/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/sstorari/2826852493/ Take a look to the Hilt of every singol katana, it looks like the same cos it's basically the same for the most katanas u see. http://www.flickr.com/photos/sstorari/2851011556/in/set-72157607053787890/ the Blade wasn't the same cos the blade was totally recreated. Take a look to the source file and please post something similar. Taking about particulars: the grain under the ribbon on the grip is similar for all katana in the world and not a trademark. The Hilt AGAIN is not the hattory hanzo hilt cos as u can see is for most similar to other thousand katana's hilt. Ok, if u don't wont to use InvinXble don't use it, but don't try to find some excuses to do it. Just do it and stop. Samuele ----- Messaggio originale ----- Da: "Paul W. Frields" A: "Discussions about the artwork \"included with Fedora, including icons, themes, and wallpapers.\"" Inviato: Marted?, 23 settembre 2008 13:57:04 GMT +01:00 Amsterdam/Berlino/Berna/Roma/Stoccolma/Vienna Oggetto: Re: Round 3 theme and fedora-fr community On Tue, 2008-09-23 at 11:50 +0200, Samuele Storari wrote: > sstorari *claimed* that he had remade the photo cos he had remade the photo. > If u take a look in the source before write something u can see that the problem was solved creatin' the blade from 0. > I think it's clear this sword is totally a patchwork of various level created. > Just take a look to the level "Blade_White Copy" as u can see this piece was totally fake. > Created by using the clone tool, in fact u see it's totally the same in every part. > It was created by taken a first part from the photo and than manipuleted. > As for other parts. > The Hilt was totally reworked using dodge/burn tool and other "effect" of photomanipulation but u know they don't create new layer. > > So just a little question: If u can't do something, it means that it can't be done? > Sorry, but I'm a lil sick to try to defend my work everyday and u wait til the last day to make a "new" question? Samuele, I'm a big fan of Quentin Tarantino, and collected some desktop backgrounds when Kill Bill Vol. 1 was going to be released. ?One of the backgrounds features a katana sword which looks to me to be identical to the one in your source .XCF file: http://img1.jurko.net/wall/paper/hattorihanzo_1280.jpg When we talk about having an entirely free desktop theme, it means that *all* the elements must be created from free sources. ?Is this sword graphic -- the one used in the Kill Bill poster and apparently your source -- available for free use, modification, and distribution? ?If it is, there's absolutely no problem with the InvinXble theme. ?If it's not then we can't use this theme for Fedora 10. -- Paul W. Frields ??gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 ?5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 ??http://paul.frields.org/ ? - ?- ? http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ ??irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug _______________________________________________ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list at redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list -- Samuele Storari Art Director Byte-Code srl mobile: +39 347 50 798 32 office: +39 02 9840047 http://www.byte-code.com From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Tue Sep 23 12:27:59 2008 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2008 15:27:59 +0300 Subject: R: Re: Round 3 theme and fedora-fr community In-Reply-To: <1776173007.10131222172288676.JavaMail.root@mail.byte-code.com> References: <1776173007.10131222172288676.JavaMail.root@mail.byte-code.com> Message-ID: <48D8E0CF.1050805@nicubunu.ro> Samuele Storari wrote: > Part of my idea come from part of that image. YES > But the desktop was created by USING free source and this is the last time I will say it. > > The Hattory Hanzo katana is a katana u know a katana. > > Katana is for most similar: Trying to hod myself from exclaiming "no shit?" > The Hilt AGAIN is not the hattory hanzo hilt cos as u can see is for most similar to other thousand katana's hilt. What can I say? rotate the image 180 degrees and the resemblance is, uh..., uncanny: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/invinxible.ogv -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From gnomeuser at gmail.com Tue Sep 23 12:41:48 2008 From: gnomeuser at gmail.com (David Nielsen) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2008 14:41:48 +0200 Subject: R: Re: Round 3 theme and fedora-fr community In-Reply-To: <48D8E0CF.1050805@nicubunu.ro> References: <1776173007.10131222172288676.JavaMail.root@mail.byte-code.com> <48D8E0CF.1050805@nicubunu.ro> Message-ID: <1dedbbfc0809230541u35f9d444t6b201b51b0416751@mail.gmail.com> 2008/9/23 Nicu Buculei > Samuele Storari wrote: > >> Part of my idea come from part of that image. YES >> But the desktop was created by USING free source and this is the last time >> I will say it. >> >> The Hattory Hanzo katana is a katana u know a katana. >> >> Katana is for most similar: >> > > Trying to hod myself from exclaiming "no shit?" > And yet.. > The Hilt AGAIN is not the hattory hanzo hilt cos as u can see is for most >> similar to other thousand katana's hilt. >> > > What can I say? rotate the image 180 degrees and the resemblance is, uh..., > uncanny: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/invinxible.ogv ...it surprises you that an iconic image of a katana which he already admitted to using as inspiration contains a katana of a similar design.. when katanas are pretty much the same, I mean it looks exactly like the replica my friend has hanging on his wall as well, will you accuse him of stealing that as well? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From sstorari at byte-code.com Tue Sep 23 12:53:08 2008 From: sstorari at byte-code.com (Samuele Storari) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2008 14:53:08 +0200 (CEST) Subject: R: Re: R: Re: Round 3 theme and fedora-fr community In-Reply-To: <1850141921.10201222173971707.JavaMail.root@mail.byte-code.com> Message-ID: <1687804025.10221222174388354.JavaMail.root@mail.byte-code.com> U can exclaim exactly what do u want. "Part of my idea come from part of that image. YES" U use the round 1 image. Other? U know what's the problem? Since the first round u try to push my works down. InvinXble, Solar as same, everyday every single day since some months ago but I made all u request to continue work. Where's the problem? U talk about work togheter? Yes! U work togheter to don't let me work. Nobody except for the great guy using my work for the plymouth screen try to collaborate, I do my best really, really my best. Collaboration is a great word. Nothing nobody do nothing for my proposals, a banner, a test, a little test, nothing. I have only criticisms on my works strange kind of collaboration. We have to create something in 3 round to partecipate to the final voting, but where's the 3rd round of gears? Where're something new? I keep my mouth shut up to don't exclaim: no shit. :D The problem isn't my work, the problem is that never been a contest, it is only a fake contest. U wanna Win? I don't care a damn to Win, wanna see Gears everywhere? Use ur work no prob. We are here Again and again argumenting on my work. With this last mail I close up. Do wath u wanna do but don't try to make it real. Samuele ----- Messaggio originale ----- Da: "Nicu Buculei" A: "Discussions about the artwork included with Fedora, including icons, themes, and wallpapers." Inviato: Marted?, 23 settembre 2008 14:27:59 GMT +01:00 Amsterdam/Berlino/Berna/Roma/Stoccolma/Vienna Oggetto: Re: R: Re: Round 3 theme and fedora-fr community Samuele Storari wrote: > Part of my idea come from part of that image. YES > But the desktop was created by USING free source and this is the last time I will say it. > > The Hattory Hanzo katana is a katana u know a katana. > > Katana is for most similar: Trying to hod myself from exclaiming "no shit?" > The Hilt AGAIN is not the hattory hanzo hilt cos as u can see is for most similar to other thousand katana's hilt. What can I say? rotate the image 180 degrees and the resemblance is, uh..., uncanny: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/invinxible.ogv -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro _______________________________________________ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list at redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list -- Samuele Storari Art Director Byte-Code srl mobile: +39 347 50 798 32 office: +39 02 9840047 http://www.byte-code.com From sstorari at byte-code.com Tue Sep 23 12:54:34 2008 From: sstorari at byte-code.com (Samuele Storari) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2008 14:54:34 +0200 (CEST) Subject: R: Re: R: Re: Round 3 theme and fedora-fr community In-Reply-To: <1dedbbfc0809230541u35f9d444t6b201b51b0416751@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1785221341.10251222174474291.JavaMail.root@mail.byte-code.com> David... Yes I admit... I stoled it. Say to your friend that now he can come to me to get back his own katana. :D Thanks Samuele ----- Messaggio originale ----- Da: "David Nielsen" A: "Discussions about the artwork included with Fedora, including icons, themes, and wallpapers." Inviato: Marted?, 23 settembre 2008 14:41:48 GMT +01:00 Amsterdam/Berlino/Berna/Roma/Stoccolma/Vienna Oggetto: Re: R: Re: Round 3 theme and fedora-fr community 2008/9/23 Nicu Buculei < nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro > Samuele Storari wrote: Part of my idea come from part of that image. YES But the desktop was created by USING free source and this is the last time I will say it. The Hattory Hanzo katana is a katana u know a katana. Katana is for most similar: Trying to hod myself from exclaiming "no shit?" And yet.. The Hilt AGAIN is not the hattory hanzo hilt cos as u can see is for most similar to other thousand katana's hilt. What can I say? rotate the image 180 degrees and the resemblance is, uh..., uncanny: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/invinxible.ogv ...it surprises you that an iconic image of a katana which he already admitted to using as inspiration contains a katana of a similar design.. when katanas are pretty much the same, I mean it looks exactly like the replica my friend has hanging on his wall as well, will you accuse him of stealing that as well? _______________________________________________ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list at redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list -- Samuele Storari Art Director Byte-Code srl mobile: +39 347 50 798 32 office: +39 02 9840047 http://www.byte-code.com From sstorari at byte-code.com Tue Sep 23 12:53:08 2008 From: sstorari at byte-code.com (Samuele Storari) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2008 14:53:08 +0200 (CEST) Subject: R: Re: R: Re: Round 3 theme and fedora-fr community In-Reply-To: <1850141921.10201222173971707.JavaMail.root@mail.byte-code.com> Message-ID: <1687804025.10221222174388354.JavaMail.root@mail.byte-code.com> U can exclaim exactly what do u want. "Part of my idea come from part of that image. YES" U use the round 1 image. Other? U know what's the problem? Since the first round u try to push my works down. InvinXble, Solar as same, everyday every single day since some months ago but I made all u request to continue work. Where's the problem? U talk about work togheter? Yes! U work togheter to don't let me work. Nobody except for the great guy using my work for the plymouth screen try to collaborate, I do my best really, really my best. Collaboration is a great word. Nothing nobody do nothing for my proposals, a banner, a test, a little test, nothing. I have only criticisms on my works strange kind of collaboration. We have to create something in 3 round to partecipate to the final voting, but where's the 3rd round of gears? Where're something new? I keep my mouth shut up to don't exclaim: no shit. :D The problem isn't my work, the problem is that never been a contest, it is only a fake contest. U wanna Win? I don't care a damn to Win, wanna see Gears everywhere? Use ur work no prob. We are here Again and again argumenting on my work. With this last mail I close up. Do wath u wanna do but don't try to make it real. Samuele ----- Messaggio originale ----- Da: "Nicu Buculei" A: "Discussions about the artwork included with Fedora, including icons, themes, and wallpapers." Inviato: Marted?, 23 settembre 2008 14:27:59 GMT +01:00 Amsterdam/Berlino/Berna/Roma/Stoccolma/Vienna Oggetto: Re: R: Re: Round 3 theme and fedora-fr community Samuele Storari wrote: > Part of my idea come from part of that image. YES > But the desktop was created by USING free source and this is the last time I will say it. > > The Hattory Hanzo katana is a katana u know a katana. > > Katana is for most similar: Trying to hod myself from exclaiming "no shit?" > The Hilt AGAIN is not the hattory hanzo hilt cos as u can see is for most similar to other thousand katana's hilt. What can I say? rotate the image 180 degrees and the resemblance is, uh..., uncanny: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/invinxible.ogv -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro _______________________________________________ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list at redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list -- Samuele Storari Art Director Byte-Code srl mobile: +39 347 50 798 32 office: +39 02 9840047 http://www.byte-code.com From andrew at fitzsimon.com.au Tue Sep 23 13:09:53 2008 From: andrew at fitzsimon.com.au (Andy Fitzsimon) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2008 21:09:53 +0800 Subject: request to join art team Message-ID: Hi guys.. I'd like to (finally) join the Fedora Art team.. -[Proper]- I've helped out on DVD artwork stuff, contributed a few samples, built visual remixes on your ideas and a shot a few fedora inspired photos too . (most mentioned on this list or peer to peer with other art team members) I'd also like to mention my vote for solar (pending acceptance to the team) My backup vote is for neon (should solar get disqualified for copyright concerns over the underlying moon photograph) Anyway, goodnight (there's a typhoon on here) Zzzz Andy -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I find this presumption extremely offensive. ~m From mmornati at byte-code.com Tue Sep 23 13:29:05 2008 From: mmornati at byte-code.com (Marco Mornati) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2008 15:29:05 +0200 Subject: R: Re: R: Re: Round 3 theme and fedora-fr community In-Reply-To: <1687804025.10221222174388354.JavaMail.root@mail.byte-code.com> References: <1687804025.10221222174388354.JavaMail.root@mail.byte-code.com> Message-ID: <1222176545.3126.7.camel@mmornati.byte-code.lan> Honestly I can't see the problem. In round 1, as Samuele said, there was a question about "the origin" of katana (all "sword" look like a peace of iron with an handle) and there was a discussion about it... Samuele posted a photo to shown the "start point" of his image... and you (I don't know who... but someone) have decided to go ahead also with Invixble! In this moment there is again the same question about Katana in the photo... I think you if you are not sure (also with all "probations" about katana!!!!) you have to STOP the vote over that theme. I'm not in agreement with this decision... but I think this is a "stupid discussion" during the FINAL vote after all themes was selected for final round! Bye Marco -- Dott. Ing. Mornati Marco Byte-Code s.r.l via Antonio Cechov, 1 San Giuliano Milanese (MI) E-Mail: mmornati at byte-code.com -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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A big reason for the Fedora art team producing its own work is that we can be confident that the artwork in Fedora is openly licensed and freely distributable. When artwork that is not properly licensed is thrown into Fedora, it not only goes against the guidelines of Fedora but it entirely defeats the purpose of us creating our own artwork. Part of the stated purpose of the art team is to create artwork that can be freely re-usable. Artwork that incorporates other works that have a restrictive license cannot meet this goal. We are as strict on this license policy as any other team is strict on code licensing. There is no special treatment here. I certainly hope a theme with questionably-licensed imagery does not win the vote. If it does, I will be up all night every night this week re-making the artwork to make sure our artwork can be Free. I am sick this week so a series of late nights will not be good for my health. ~m From duffy at fedoraproject.org Tue Sep 23 13:33:03 2008 From: duffy at fedoraproject.org (=?UTF-8?B?TcOhaXLDrW4gRHVmZnk=?=) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2008 09:33:03 -0400 Subject: R: Re: R: Re: Round 3 theme and fedora-fr community In-Reply-To: <1687804025.10221222174388354.JavaMail.root@mail.byte-code.com> References: <1687804025.10221222174388354.JavaMail.root@mail.byte-code.com> Message-ID: <48D8F00F.5020205@fedoraproject.org> Samuele Storari wrote: > U can exclaim exactly what do u want. > > "Part of my idea come from part of that image. YES" > U use the round 1 image. > > Other? > U know what's the problem? Yes, I do know what the problem is: you appear to be taking Fedora's license policies personally. Please don't. > Since the first round u try to push my works down. > InvinXble, Solar as same, everyday every single day since some months ago but I made all u request to continue work. > Where's the problem? U talk about work togheter? > Yes! U work togheter to don't let me work. What are you talking about? > Nobody except for the great guy using my work for the plymouth screen try to collaborate, I do my best really, really my best. > Collaboration is a great word. > Nothing nobody do nothing for my proposals, a banner, a test, a little test, nothing. And you did NOTHING on anyone else's proposals either. Collaboration is two-way. I actually did do some work on Solar because I liked it, but you seemed to get extremely offended when I asked how you created part of the image when I was working with it so I backed off and never posted my work. > I have only criticisms on my works strange kind of collaboration. Wow, this mailing list and all the forums are filled with praise for your themes, yet you are unsatisfied?????!! > We have to create something in 3 round to partecipate to the final voting, but where's the 3rd round of gears? > Where're something new? I worked on gears. I decided to stop working on it because I liked Solar and wanted it to win. > I keep my mouth shut up to don't exclaim: no shit. :D > The problem isn't my work, the problem is that never been a contest, it is only a fake contest. I'm sorry, I find this extremely offensive as well. You are full of vinegar today aren't you? ~m From mmornati at byte-code.com Tue Sep 23 13:38:37 2008 From: mmornati at byte-code.com (Marco Mornati) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2008 15:38:37 +0200 Subject: Round 3 theme and fedora-fr community In-Reply-To: <48D8EE99.7050104@fedoraproject.org> References: <847955061.9561222163454089.JavaMail.root@mail.byte-code.com> <1222164289.3551.7.camel@sboing.byte-code.lan> <48D8EE99.7050104@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <1222177117.3126.11.camel@mmornati.byte-code.lan> Yes... I'm in agreement with you M?ir?n... we can't have a NO.Licenses Image inside Fedora... that it's completely free! My question is... why now? There are user voting also Invinxible theme... and are all lost. There were a licensing doubt over that theme... why it's in the final round? Anyway... in my opinion there are many photo "creative commons" that shown us the invinxible theme origin... Bye Marco On Tue, 2008-09-23 at 09:26 -0400, M?ir?n Duffy wrote: > Luca Foppiano wrote: > > I completely agree! Sometime I don't understand which is the real goal: > > find *the best* fedora theme or do whatever to try to denigrate the > > others? > > We have had egregious violations of copyright and image licensing in the > past, due to a misunderstanding of licensing and copyright law. > > A big reason for the Fedora art team producing its own work is that we > can be confident that the artwork in Fedora is openly licensed and > freely distributable. When artwork that is not properly licensed is > thrown into Fedora, it not only goes against the guidelines of Fedora > but it entirely defeats the purpose of us creating our own artwork. Part > of the stated purpose of the art team is to create artwork that can be > freely re-usable. Artwork that incorporates other works that have a > restrictive license cannot meet this goal. > > We are as strict on this license policy as any other team is strict on > code licensing. There is no special treatment here. > > I certainly hope a theme with questionably-licensed imagery does not win > the vote. If it does, I will be up all night every night this week > re-making the artwork to make sure our artwork can be Free. I am sick > this week so a series of late nights will not be good for my health. > > ~m > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list -- Dott. Ing. Mornati Marco Byte-Code s.r.l via Antonio Cechov, 1 San Giuliano Milanese (MI) E-Mail: mmornati at byte-code.com -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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If invixble wins, and there is still a question over the licensing of the katana image, I will re-make the artwork if necessary. ~m From stickster at gmail.com Tue Sep 23 13:36:26 2008 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2008 09:36:26 -0400 Subject: Round 3 theme and fedora-fr community In-Reply-To: <1222164289.3551.7.camel@sboing.byte-code.lan> References: <847955061.9561222163454089.JavaMail.root@mail.byte-code.com> <1222164289.3551.7.camel@sboing.byte-code.lan> Message-ID: <1222176986.22903.47.camel@victoria-eth.internal.frields.org> On Tue, 2008-09-23 at 12:04 +0200, Luca Foppiano wrote: > On Tue, 2008-09-23 at 11:50 +0200, Samuele Storari wrote: > > sstorari *claimed* that he had remade the photo cos he had remade the > > photo. If u take a look in the source before write something u can see > > that the problem was solved creatin' the blade from 0. I think it's > > clear this sword is totally a patchwork of various level created. Just > > take a look to the level "Blade_White Copy" as u can see this piece > > was totally fake. Created by using the clone tool, in fact u see it's > > totally the same in every part. It was created by taken a first part > > from the photo and than manipuleted. As for other parts. The Hilt was > > totally reworked using dodge/burn tool and other "effect" of > > photomanipulation but u know they don't create new layer. > > > > So just a little question: If u can't do something, it means that it > > can't be done? Sorry, but I'm a lil sick to try to defend my work > > everyday and u wait til the last day to make a "new" question? > > I completely agree! Sometime I don't understand which is the real goal: > find *the best* fedora theme or do whatever to try to denigrate the > others? > > This is the point. And *is related to some issues and questions* about > Samuele work. The Artwork team treats art in Fedora just like the developers and packagers treat code. There is a simple solution to any problems with the artwork in question -- Samuele, just replace any image that is not freedom-licensed with one that is! :-) It's absolutely OK to be inspired by something that's non-free. Using non-free elements for examples for the first round (or two) is probably even OK. But at this point in the cycle, you should have replaced any non-free elements with free ones. If you do that, there is no reason the theme can't be in Fedora. The only thing standing in the way is the non-free element you're using. Fedora is all about giving our users and contributors freedom -- freedom to use, modify and redistribute, now and always. If we were to give them artwork that doesn't have that level of freedom, we would be putting a legal burden on them. That's not the right thing to do, and it's not in the letter or spirit of how Fedora works. All we're asking is that the contributors to our themes live by the same rules as everyone else who contributes to Fedora. -- Paul W. Frields gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://paul.frields.org/ - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I think you if you are not sure (also with all "probations" > > about katana!!!!) you have to STOP the vote over that theme. > > If invixble wins, and there is still a question over the licensing of > the katana image, I will re-make the artwork if necessary. > > ~m Ok thanks for the answer M?ir?n... For me was so strange the decision to have an image "not creative commons" in the final round! As I said yesterday... maybe what many people said over fedora forum (specially in french one): "I don't want an arm on my desktop" shown that there is also another problem around that theme... Marco -- Dott. Ing. Mornati Marco Byte-Code s.r.l via Antonio Cechov, 1 San Giuliano Milanese (MI) E-Mail: mmornati at byte-code.com -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Andy, I just added you to the group, but your account "andyfitz" is marked as "inactive" in the Fedora Account System (you have to change the password after the recent intrusion) > I'd also like to mention my vote for solar (pending acceptance to the team) > My backup vote is for neon (should solar get disqualified for copyright > concerns over the underlying moon photograph) As soon as you reactivate your account, you should be allowed to vote by the voting app. -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From duffy at fedoraproject.org Tue Sep 23 13:42:01 2008 From: duffy at fedoraproject.org (=?UTF-8?B?TcOhaXLDrW4gRHVmZnk=?=) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2008 09:42:01 -0400 Subject: R: Re: Round 3 theme and fedora-fr community In-Reply-To: <1dedbbfc0809230541u35f9d444t6b201b51b0416751@mail.gmail.com> References: <1776173007.10131222172288676.JavaMail.root@mail.byte-code.com> <48D8E0CF.1050805@nicubunu.ro> <1dedbbfc0809230541u35f9d444t6b201b51b0416751@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <48D8F229.5090805@fedoraproject.org> David Nielsen wrote: > ...it surprises you that an iconic image of a katana which he already > admitted to using as inspiration contains a katana of a similar design.. > when katanas are pretty much the same, I mean it looks exactly like the > replica my friend has hanging on his wall as well, will you accuse him > of stealing that as well? Um, did you watch the ogv Nicu posted? ~m From stickster at gmail.com Tue Sep 23 13:42:09 2008 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2008 13:42:09 +0000 Subject: Round 3 theme and fedora-fr community In-Reply-To: <1222177117.3126.11.camel@mmornati.byte-code.lan> References: <847955061.9561222163454089.JavaMail.root@mail.byte-code.com> <1222164289.3551.7.camel@sboing.byte-code.lan> <48D8EE99.7050104@fedoraproject.org> <1222177117.3126.11.camel@mmornati.byte-code.lan> Message-ID: <1222177329.22903.53.camel@victoria-eth.internal.frields.org> On Tue, 2008-09-23 at 15:38 +0200, Marco Mornati wrote: > Yes... I'm in agreement with you M?ir?n... we can't have a NO.Licenses > Image inside Fedora... that it's completely free! > > My question is... why now? There are user voting also Invinxible > theme... and are all lost. There were a licensing doubt over that > theme... why it's in the final round? > > Anyway... in my opinion there are many photo "creative commons" that > shown us the invinxible theme origin... It wasn't until today that I found my picture of that Kill Bill desktop. Let's keep in mind that it shouldn't require our Artwork team to dig up all source artwork and compare it. We should be able to trust that all contributions are respectful of the freedom that Fedora is about. Furthermore, just because this artwork has a non-free element doesn't mean it can't be fixed for final release. But it should be up to the artist to do that. It would have been nice if that were finished by Round 3, and hopefully we can add this to the process for the next release. There could be a clause like "Remove all non-free elements or inspiration by Round 3." That might make all the expectations clearer. -- Paul W. Frields gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://paul.frields.org/ - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From sstorari at byte-code.com Tue Sep 23 13:42:36 2008 From: sstorari at byte-code.com (Samuele Storari) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2008 15:42:36 +0200 (CEST) Subject: R: Re: Round 3 theme and fedora-fr community In-Reply-To: <1255214524.10451222177297530.JavaMail.root@mail.byte-code.com> Message-ID: <983709983.10471222177356253.JavaMail.root@mail.byte-code.com> I'm little sad about our discussion. I think everyone loud his voice more than necessary, the only problem with my image is the hilt? Ok, but why waitin the last day to say it? I understand your position, and believe me I've got nothing with u don't take me bad. I worked a lot for adv agency and I know the prob with copyR, I really do my best to create something usable and free, I'm new to the concept of FREE in the open source and I think (maybe wrong) that my work will work right (sorry for bad grammar). Sorry if I same like vinegar today but i fell under attack and i try to defend my self. I'm glad u like Solar. I think we (all) have to take this discussion as a new start. Maybe I wrong, maybe U (not U u...) are wrong, I work alone and maybe I do some error. Next time I will be glad if someone help me. Cheers and sorry Samuele ----- Messaggio originale ----- Da: "M?ir?n Duffy" A: luca at foppiano.org, "Discussions about the artwork included with Fedora, including icons, themes, and wallpapers." Inviato: Marted?, 23 settembre 2008 15:26:49 GMT +01:00 Amsterdam/Berlino/Berna/Roma/Stoccolma/Vienna Oggetto: Re: Round 3 theme and fedora-fr community Luca Foppiano wrote: > I completely agree! Sometime I don't understand which is the real goal: > find *the best* fedora theme or do whatever to try to denigrate the > others? We have had egregious violations of copyright and image licensing in the past, due to a misunderstanding of licensing and copyright law. A big reason for the Fedora art team producing its own work is that we can be confident that the artwork in Fedora is openly licensed and freely distributable. When artwork that is not properly licensed is thrown into Fedora, it not only goes against the guidelines of Fedora but it entirely defeats the purpose of us creating our own artwork. Part of the stated purpose of the art team is to create artwork that can be freely re-usable. Artwork that incorporates other works that have a restrictive license cannot meet this goal. We are as strict on this license policy as any other team is strict on code licensing. There is no special treatment here. I certainly hope a theme with questionably-licensed imagery does not win the vote. If it does, I will be up all night every night this week re-making the artwork to make sure our artwork can be Free. I am sick this week so a series of late nights will not be good for my health. ~m _______________________________________________ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list at redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list -- Samuele Storari Art Director Byte-Code srl mobile: +39 347 50 798 32 office: +39 02 9840047 http://www.byte-code.com From duffy at fedoraproject.org Tue Sep 23 13:44:35 2008 From: duffy at fedoraproject.org (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?M=E1ir=EDn_Duffy?=) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2008 09:44:35 -0400 Subject: Round 3 theme and fedora-fr community In-Reply-To: <1222176986.22903.47.camel@victoria-eth.internal.frields.org> References: <847955061.9561222163454089.JavaMail.root@mail.byte-code.com> <1222164289.3551.7.camel@sboing.byte-code.lan> <1222176986.22903.47.camel@victoria-eth.internal.frields.org> Message-ID: <48D8F2C3.1060102@fedoraproject.org> Paul W. Frields wrote: > Using > non-free elements for examples for the first round (or two) is probably > even OK. I don't think it should be, absolutely not if the artwork is going to be uploaded to our wiki. We have always said, if you are using artwork you did not create to make a proposal, that's fine, but you need to get permission from the creators. ~m From stickster at gmail.com Tue Sep 23 13:48:47 2008 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2008 13:48:47 +0000 Subject: Round 3 theme and fedora-fr community In-Reply-To: <48D8F2C3.1060102@fedoraproject.org> References: <847955061.9561222163454089.JavaMail.root@mail.byte-code.com> <1222164289.3551.7.camel@sboing.byte-code.lan> <1222176986.22903.47.camel@victoria-eth.internal.frields.org> <48D8F2C3.1060102@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <1222177727.22903.62.camel@victoria-eth.internal.frields.org> On Tue, 2008-09-23 at 09:44 -0400, M?ir?n Duffy wrote: > Paul W. Frields wrote: > > Using > > non-free elements for examples for the first round (or two) is probably > > even OK. > > I don't think it should be, absolutely not if the artwork is going to be > uploaded to our wiki. > > We have always said, if you are using artwork you did not create to make > a proposal, that's fine, but you need to get permission from the creators. Yes, you're right -- I was thinking too much about the "ideating" part without remembering where the ideas get posted. If someone wanted to host their own ideas somewhere *not* on our wiki, though, that would be acceptable. Once the artwork lands on Fedora space, it should be composed of all free elements. -- Paul W. Frields gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://paul.frields.org/ - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From duffy at fedoraproject.org Tue Sep 23 13:50:58 2008 From: duffy at fedoraproject.org (=?UTF-8?B?TcOhaXLDrW4gRHVmZnk=?=) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2008 09:50:58 -0400 Subject: R: Re: Round 3 theme and fedora-fr community In-Reply-To: <983709983.10471222177356253.JavaMail.root@mail.byte-code.com> References: <983709983.10471222177356253.JavaMail.root@mail.byte-code.com> Message-ID: <48D8F442.7050803@fedoraproject.org> Hi Samuele, Samuele Storari wrote: > I'm little sad about our discussion. > I think everyone loud his voice more than necessary, the only problem with my image is the hilt? > Ok, but why waitin the last day to say it? Nicu and I brought up our concerns with the licensing of this imagery weeks ago, so please do not pose this as your artwork being questioned at the last minute. This is clearly evidenced in the mailing list archives. I *TRUSTED* you when you assured me weeks ago that you had changed the photos to a properly-licensed photo. It appears that you did not. I am very disappointed and angry right now. > I worked a lot for adv agency and I know the prob with copyR, I really do my best to create something usable and free, I'm new to the concept of FREE in the open source and I think (maybe wrong) that my work will work right (sorry for bad grammar). This is irresponsible and unacceptable in any venue, not just one where Free artwork is to be produced. This is no more acceptable when creating closed-license artwork. While I have never worked for a professional design agency, as a former teaching assistant I know that students in design programs who violate licensing like this can be giving a failing grade for their class, if not expelled from school entirely. > Sorry if I same like vinegar today but i fell under attack and i try to defend my self. We are not attacking you personally. You are attacking us personally. > I'm glad u like Solar. > I think we (all) have to take this discussion as a new start. > Maybe I wrong, maybe U (not U u...) are wrong, I work alone and maybe I do some error. Next time I will be glad if someone help me. I would find it a lot easier to work with you if you didn't get offended when I asked how you did something so I can work on your artwork. I would also find it a lot easier to work with you if you didn't make all of the offensive statements you've made here and if you had not completely violated my trust. It will definitely take quite some time for me to feel less hurt over this. ~m From duffy at fedoraproject.org Tue Sep 23 13:54:57 2008 From: duffy at fedoraproject.org (=?UTF-8?B?TcOhaXLDrW4gRHVmZnk=?=) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2008 09:54:57 -0400 Subject: Round 3 theme and fedora-fr community In-Reply-To: <1222177117.3126.11.camel@mmornati.byte-code.lan> References: <847955061.9561222163454089.JavaMail.root@mail.byte-code.com> <1222164289.3551.7.camel@sboing.byte-code.lan> <48D8EE99.7050104@fedoraproject.org> <1222177117.3126.11.camel@mmornati.byte-code.lan> Message-ID: <48D8F531.5010900@fedoraproject.org> Hi Marco, Marco Mornati wrote: > Yes... I'm in agreement with you M?ir?n... we can't have a NO.Licenses > Image inside Fedora... that it's completely free! > > My question is... why now? There are user voting also Invinxible > theme... and are all lost. There were a licensing doubt over that > theme... why it's in the final round? This is absolutely not last-minute. I brought up licensing concerns to Samuele weeks ago on this very list and he assured me he was switching any photos with bad licenses to other ones with good licenses. I am really angry that I was misled. Here is the thread from the archives: http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-art-list/2008-August/msg00326.html That message was posted four weeks ago. It would have given Samuele plenty of time to replace the imagery, which he said he was doing: http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-art-list/2008-August/msg00334.html ~m From duffy at fedoraproject.org Tue Sep 23 13:56:00 2008 From: duffy at fedoraproject.org (=?UTF-8?B?TcOhaXLDrW4gRHVmZnk=?=) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2008 09:56:00 -0400 Subject: R: Re: R: Re: Round 3 theme and fedora-fr community In-Reply-To: <1222177392.3126.17.camel@mmornati.byte-code.lan> References: <1687804025.10221222174388354.JavaMail.root@mail.byte-code.com> <1222176545.3126.7.camel@mmornati.byte-code.lan> <48D8F0A7.7030400@fedoraproject.org> <1222177392.3126.17.camel@mmornati.byte-code.lan> Message-ID: <48D8F570.6000802@fedoraproject.org> Hi Marco, Marco Mornati wrote: > Ok thanks for the answer M?ir?n... For me was so strange the decision to > have an image "not creative commons" in the final round! I was unaware the image wasn't properly licensed as again, it had been brought up earlier and Samuele assured us he would replace it. ~m From stickster at gmail.com Tue Sep 23 13:58:25 2008 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2008 13:58:25 +0000 Subject: R: Re: R: Re: Round 3 theme and fedora-fr community In-Reply-To: <48D8F00F.5020205@fedoraproject.org> References: <1687804025.10221222174388354.JavaMail.root@mail.byte-code.com> <48D8F00F.5020205@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <1222178305.22903.72.camel@victoria-eth.internal.frields.org> On Tue, 2008-09-23 at 09:33 -0400, M?ir?n Duffy wrote: > Samuele Storari wrote: > > U can exclaim exactly what do u want. > > > > "Part of my idea come from part of that image. YES" > > U use the round 1 image. > > > > Other? > > U know what's the problem? > > Yes, I do know what the problem is: you appear to be taking Fedora's > license policies personally. > > Please don't. Yes, remember that the Fedora stance on freedom is there to make sure that anyone who receives Fedora can also modify and redistribute it to others. If our content violates that precept, it means we've failed our users. I'm sure that Samuele doesn't want that to happen. If he can use his actual photo or some other free element to replace the katana in the image, there's not a problem. (There is the question of the images hosted on the Fedora wiki that include this non-free stuff, but we can handle that separately.) > > Since the first round u try to push my works down. > > InvinXble, Solar as same, everyday every single day since some months ago but I made all u request to continue work. > > Where's the problem? U talk about work togheter? > > Yes! U work togheter to don't let me work. > > What are you talking about? Yeah, I don't get this at all. I *love* Solar and have been saying that since it was first introduced! > > Nobody except for the great guy using my work for the plymouth screen try to collaborate, I do my best really, really my best. > > Collaboration is a great word. > > Nothing nobody do nothing for my proposals, a banner, a test, a little test, nothing. > > And you did NOTHING on anyone else's proposals either. Collaboration is > two-way. > > I actually did do some work on Solar because I liked it, but you seemed > to get extremely offended when I asked how you created part of the image > when I was working with it so I backed off and never posted my work. > > > I have only criticisms on my works strange kind of collaboration. > > Wow, this mailing list and all the forums are filled with praise for > your themes, yet you are unsatisfied?????!! > > > We have to create something in 3 round to partecipate to the final voting, but where's the 3rd round of gears? > > Where're something new? > > I worked on gears. I decided to stop working on it because I liked Solar > and wanted it to win. > > > I keep my mouth shut up to don't exclaim: no shit. :D > > The problem isn't my work, the problem is that never been a contest, it is only a fake contest. > > I'm sorry, I find this extremely offensive as well. You are full of > vinegar today aren't you? Let's all take a moment to cool down a bit. Samuele, maybe we haven't done a good job explaining all the requirements for free art in Fedora, or why we have those requirements. I'd be happy to help explain that further if it doesn't make sense to you. Or if there's something you disagree on, let's talk about it. Honestly, there's only a few things that need to happen: * Replace any non-free elements with free ones. Really, the original artist should take the opportunity to do this rather than have the task fall on others. But there's no reason it can't be a team effort if Samuele asks for help. * Fix the wiki to remove any non-free stuff, with an appropriate note of explanation. * It would be nice if we knew the actual source of the image instead of guessing. What if it's actually free, and we just don't know it because we don't know the source? Until then, we have to assume it's not, of course. -- Paul W. Frields (Sorry to open the can of worms this morning.) gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://paul.frields.org/ - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I'd like to (finally) join the Fedora Art team.. -[Proper]- >> >> I've helped out on DVD artwork stuff, contributed a few samples, built >> visual remixes on your ideas and a shot a few fedora inspired photos too . >> (most mentioned on this list or peer to peer with other art team members) >> > > ... and many more. > > Andy, I just added you to the group, but your account "andyfitz" is marked > as "inactive" in the Fedora Account System (you have to change the password > after the recent intrusion) > > I'd also like to mention my vote for solar (pending acceptance to the >> team) >> My backup vote is for neon (should solar get disqualified for copyright >> concerns over the underlying moon photograph) >> > > As soon as you reactivate your account, you should be allowed to vote by > the voting app. > > -- > nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com > Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ > Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org > my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I'd like to (finally) join the Fedora Art team.. -[Proper]- >>> >>> I've helped out on DVD artwork stuff, contributed a few samples, built >>> visual remixes on your ideas and a shot a few fedora inspired photos too . >>> (most mentioned on this list or peer to peer with other art team members) >>> >> >> ... and many more. >> >> Andy, I just added you to the group, but your account "andyfitz" is marked >> as "inactive" in the Fedora Account System (you have to change the password >> after the recent intrusion) >> >> I'd also like to mention my vote for solar (pending acceptance to the >>> team) >>> My backup vote is for neon (should solar get disqualified for copyright >>> concerns over the underlying moon photograph) >>> >> >> As soon as you reactivate your account, you should be allowed to vote by >> the voting app. >> >> -- >> nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com >> Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ >> Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org >> my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Fedora-art-list mailing list >> Fedora-art-list at redhat.com >> http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list >> > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Message-ID: <48D926DE.4090800@fedoraproject.org> Hi folks, Since it is now clear we have some licensing issues with at least one of the candidates for the theme, I would like to hear your thoughts on what we should do. Since the vote is in art team members' hands I think it's our call to decide what to do next. Here are the options as I see them and/or as have been suggested to me: 1 - disqualify invinXble as a theme, even if invinXble wins, the 2nd-place winner will win 2 - if invinXble (or any theme that has photos we aren't able to source) wins, replace any sourced photographs in it with properly-licensed ones 3 - disqualify any themes that use images we cannot find properly-licensed photo source references for. For what it's worth, anyway, here are my thoughts: I've considered option 1 because I think it would make it quite clear that as a team we can not and will not tolerate risks to Fedora's freedom. While I can understand an accidental slip-up or misunderstanding, I cannot understand deception taken to this degree over time (posting multiple fake sources, 'cover ups' in the source files, repeated denials, broken promises) and I don't want us to look as if we endorse that kind of behavior in any way. If invinXble ends up being the default for Fedora, at least for myself, it would be a continual reminder of this deception even if it was repaired. As for option 2, I have offered to do the work needed but I also understand this may be quite some work and we *cannot* slip and miss the preview release. It's may need to involve me going to Boston Museum of Fine Arts for a katana shoot... Consider this the 'making lemonade out of lemons' option. I don't know if 3 is really a viable option; it will be a lot of work to replace source photos we aren't sure of, but it will also be a lot of work to expand the other two themes to a final state. (both Neon and Grub need grub and syslinux designs and overall refinement.) I do think that in their current state, inviXble and potentially Solar are not acceptable for inclusion in Fedora. I think Solar will be easier to repair than invinXble. The moon photo in Solar is not as visible and central as the katana photo in invinXble. ~m [1] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/F10Themes/Neon#Round_2 From duffy at fedoraproject.org Tue Sep 23 17:47:36 2008 From: duffy at fedoraproject.org (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?M=E1ir=EDn_Duffy?=) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2008 13:47:36 -0400 Subject: Education on image licensing and freedom Message-ID: <48D92BB8.6010506@fedoraproject.org> Hi folks, Did any of you joining the art team have doubts/questions/confusion over copyright law and licensing as it pertains to the usage of externally-sourced images used in artwork? Were you unsure of what licenses were acceptable to use in Fedora artwork? What kinds of questions / uncertainties did you have, if any? I think we may need to get better at making clear our expectations with respect to sourced image licensing. For some time now, we have had the following statement on the main artwork wiki page [1]: > # All contributions must be covered by the Contributor License > Agreement . We cannot accept contributions from individuals who have > not signed the CLA in the Fedora Account System . The CLA allows us > to properly license artwork submissions for distribution with Fedora > and other Fedora projects. > > # Submissions must respect artwork > licensing. If your submissions consist of artwork created by other > people, please make sure the license of the original work you > incorporate is compatible with Fedora and that you are not violating > any of the provisions of its license. Just because a work is licensed > with a Creative Commons license does not mean it is free to use (make > sure you provide attribution to artists that license their work with > a CC Attribution clause.) Are there any issues with this text? Does it need to be modified or expanded to be made more clear? Should it be copied to every main theme process page (eg /Artwork/F10Themes)? Here are some of my proposals at making our licensing policies more clear: 1) Have a written statement our wiki's upload form [2] that you agree that you are uploading content that belongs to you and you are licensing to Fedora under the CLA or that belongs to someone else and you have permission to upload it under a Fedora-appropriate license; 2) Maybe we could do some kind of comic strip on image licensing and link to it from our front Artwork wiki page and also post it to planet Fedora. We could use Nicu's templates :) If there are common questions / confusions that you have about licenses, let me know and we can come up with a list of topics for the comic to address. 3) We should require references to any source images used in proposed themes, including author, URL of where the image was acquired, and its license. I know it can be hard to keep track and get in the way of the creative process, but I also think it's really important to avoid this situation in the future and have some insurance in case some questions come up later. I like how Michael posted the texture source photo on his Neon proposal page [3]. Maybe we should require a source mediawiki gallery page for each theme proposal? It might be cool after each theme process is over to then aggregate all the source images used in one area of the wik. We'll then have a built-in stock gallery of properly-licensed images for future projects. I think making this a base requirement for a theme submission to proceed through the rounds process will ensure that submitters fill it out. As part of the submission promotion process, maybe one or two of us could volunteer to be theme 'nannies' and verify the source references in order for it to proceed forward. I also think making it a part of the process will perhaps come off as less confrontational as it has been interpreted here. What do you think? Is there anything else you can think of to make our licensing policies more clear and easier-to-follow? ~m [1] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork#Fedora_Artwork_Guidelines [2] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Special:Upload [3] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/F10Themes/Neon#Round_2 From gort.klaatu at gmail.com Tue Sep 23 18:01:39 2008 From: gort.klaatu at gmail.com (Klaatu) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2008 11:01:39 -0700 Subject: Education on image licensing and freedom In-Reply-To: <48D92BB8.6010506@fedoraproject.org> References: <48D92BB8.6010506@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: The rules and licensing issues were clear to me when I joined a few months ago. I think a quick reference guide on what is ok to use and what is not ok to use might be a good idea, though, just because i think everyone must get a little confused from time to time about what combination of magic letters (CC-SA-BY, CC-SA-ND, CC-BY-ND-WTF etc) = free. All in all, the third option makes sense to me. Whether one agrees with it or not, we have to deal with licensing and "ownership" of images. And whether you're doing graphic design, or filmmaking, or music with sampling...you have to keep track of what your sources are, and you have to be responsible for them. -klaatu On Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 10:47 AM, M?ir?n Duffy wrote: > Hi folks, > > Did any of you joining the art team have doubts/questions/confusion over > copyright law and licensing as it pertains to the usage of > externally-sourced images used in artwork? Were you unsure of what > licenses were acceptable to use in Fedora artwork? > > What kinds of questions / uncertainties did you have, if any? > > I think we may need to get better at making clear our expectations with > respect to sourced image licensing. For some time now, we have had the > following statement on the main artwork wiki page [1]: > > # All contributions must be covered by the Contributor License >> Agreement . We cannot accept contributions from individuals who have >> not signed the CLA in the Fedora Account System . The CLA allows us >> to properly license artwork submissions for distribution with Fedora >> and other Fedora projects. >> > > > >> # Submissions must respect artwork >> licensing. If your submissions consist of artwork created by other >> people, please make sure the license of the original work you >> incorporate is compatible with Fedora and that you are not violating >> any of the provisions of its license. Just because a work is licensed >> with a Creative Commons license does not mean it is free to use (make >> sure you provide attribution to artists that license their work with >> a CC Attribution clause.) >> > > Are there any issues with this text? Does it need to be modified or > expanded to be made more clear? Should it be copied to every main theme > process page (eg /Artwork/F10Themes)? > > Here are some of my proposals at making our licensing policies more clear: > > 1) Have a written statement our wiki's upload form [2] that you agree that > you are uploading content that belongs to you and you are licensing to > Fedora under the CLA or that belongs to someone else and you have permission > to upload it under a Fedora-appropriate license; > > 2) Maybe we could do some kind of comic strip on image licensing and link > to it from our front Artwork wiki page and also post it to planet Fedora. We > could use Nicu's templates :) If there are common questions / confusions > that you have about licenses, let me know and we can come up with a list of > topics for the comic to address. > > 3) We should require references to any source images used in proposed > themes, including author, URL of where the image > was acquired, and its license. I know it can be hard to keep track and get > in the way of the creative process, but I also think it's really important > to avoid this situation in the future and have some insurance in case some > questions come up later. > > I like how Michael posted the texture source photo on his Neon proposal > page [3]. Maybe we should require a source mediawiki gallery page for each > theme proposal? It might be cool after each theme process is over to then > aggregate all the source images used in one area of the wik. We'll then have > a built-in stock gallery of properly-licensed images for future projects. > > I think making this a base requirement for a theme submission to proceed > through the rounds process will ensure that submitters fill it out. As part > of the submission promotion process, maybe one or two of us could volunteer > to be theme 'nannies' and verify the source references in order for it to > proceed forward. I also think making it a part of the process will perhaps > come off as less confrontational as it has been interpreted here. > > > > What do you think? Is there anything else you can think of to make our > licensing policies more clear and easier-to-follow? > > ~m > > > > [1] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork#Fedora_Artwork_Guidelines > [2] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Special:Upload > [3] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/F10Themes/Neon#Round_2 > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list > -- --- uzu linukso. subtenu libera programaro. kotizu al http://www.thebadapples.info/ogg.xml http://www.thebadapples.info/fedorareloaded/ogg.xml -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gort.klaatu at gmail.com Tue Sep 23 18:06:35 2008 From: gort.klaatu at gmail.com (Klaatu) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2008 11:06:35 -0700 Subject: Round 3 theme and fedora-fr community In-Reply-To: <48D8F531.5010900@fedoraproject.org> References: <847955061.9561222163454089.JavaMail.root@mail.byte-code.com> <1222164289.3551.7.camel@sboing.byte-code.lan> <48D8EE99.7050104@fedoraproject.org> <1222177117.3126.11.camel@mmornati.byte-code.lan> <48D8F531.5010900@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: I was frankly confused on what I was voting on, which is why I asked for clarification on this in the first place. I did not want to vote on InvinXible as it was only to have a different sword in the final product. I didn't mean to wait til the last minute, I jsut didn't understand why in the last moments, the final version of the art -- with the new sword -- had not yet been developed. It wasn't an effort to pick on Samuele, it was just an effort to vote on something I felt comfortable and safe on voting for. - klaatu On Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 6:54 AM, M?ir?n Duffy wrote: > Hi Marco, > > Marco Mornati wrote: > >> Yes... I'm in agreement with you M?ir?n... we can't have a NO.Licenses >> Image inside Fedora... that it's completely free! >> >> My question is... why now? There are user voting also Invinxible >> theme... and are all lost. There were a licensing doubt over that >> theme... why it's in the final round? >> > > This is absolutely not last-minute. I brought up licensing concerns to > Samuele weeks ago on this very list and he assured me he was switching any > photos with bad licenses to other ones with good licenses. I am really angry > that I was misled. > > Here is the thread from the archives: > > http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-art-list/2008-August/msg00326.html > > That message was posted four weeks ago. It would have given Samuele plenty > of time to replace the imagery, which he said he was doing: > > http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-art-list/2008-August/msg00334.html > > > ~m > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list > -- --- uzu linukso. subtenu libera programaro. kotizu al http://www.thebadapples.info/ogg.xml http://www.thebadapples.info/fedorareloaded/ogg.xml -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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But it's true that, for example with Invixible theme, if you decide to change the katana, maybe the result couldn't be beautiful like current version. Marco On Tue, 2008-09-23 at 11:06 -0700, Klaatu wrote: > I was frankly confused on what I was voting on, which is why I asked > for clarification on this in the first place. I did not want to vote > on InvinXible as it was only to have a different sword in the final > product. I didn't mean to wait til the last minute, I jsut didn't > understand why in the last moments, the final version of the art -- > with the new sword -- had not yet been developed. > > It wasn't an effort to pick on Samuele, it was just an effort to vote > on something I felt comfortable and safe on voting for. > > - klaatu > > > > On Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 6:54 AM, M?ir?n Duffy > wrote: > Hi Marco, > > > Marco Mornati wrote: > Yes... I'm in agreement with you M?ir?n... we can't > have a NO.Licenses > Image inside Fedora... that it's completely free! > > My question is... why now? There are user voting also > Invinxible > theme... and are all lost. There were a licensing > doubt over that > theme... why it's in the final round? > > > This is absolutely not last-minute. I brought up licensing > concerns to Samuele weeks ago on this very list and he assured > me he was switching any photos with bad licenses to other ones > with good licenses. I am really angry that I was misled. > > Here is the thread from the archives: > > http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-art-list/2008-August/msg00326.html > > That message was posted four weeks ago. It would have given > Samuele plenty of time to replace the imagery, which he said > he was doing: > > http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-art-list/2008-August/msg00334.html > > > > ~m > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list > > > > > -- > --- > uzu linukso. subtenu libera programaro. > kotizu al http://www.thebadapples.info/ogg.xml > http://www.thebadapples.info/fedorareloaded/ogg.xml > > -- Dott. Ing. Mornati Marco Byte-Code s.r.l via Antonio Cechov, 1 San Giuliano Milanese (MI) E-Mail: mmornati at byte-code.com -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Since the vote is in art team members' hands I think it's our > call to decide what to do next. > > Here are the options as I see them and/or as have been suggested to me: > > 1 - disqualify invinXble as a theme, even if invinXble wins, the 2nd-place > winner will win > > 2 - if invinXble (or any theme that has photos we aren't able to source) > wins, replace any sourced photographs in it with properly-licensed ones > > 3 - disqualify any themes that use images we cannot find properly-licensed > photo source references for. > > For what it's worth, anyway, here are my thoughts: > > I've considered option 1 because I think it would make it quite clear that > as a team we can not and will not tolerate risks to Fedora's freedom. While > I can understand an accidental slip-up or misunderstanding, I cannot > understand deception taken to this degree over time (posting multiple fake > sources, 'cover ups' in the source files, repeated denials, broken promises) > and I don't want us to look as if we endorse that kind of behavior in any > way. If invinXble ends up being the default for Fedora, at least for myself, > it would be a continual reminder of this deception even if it was repaired. > > As for option 2, I have offered to do the work needed but I also understand > this may be quite some work and we *cannot* slip and miss the preview > release. It's may need to involve me going to Boston Museum of Fine Arts for > a katana shoot... Consider this the 'making lemonade out of lemons' option. > > I don't know if 3 is really a viable option; it will be a lot of work to > replace source photos we aren't sure of, but it will also be a lot of work > to expand the other two themes to a final state. (both Neon and Grub need > grub and syslinux designs and overall refinement.) > > I do think that in their current state, inviXble and potentially Solar are > not acceptable for inclusion in Fedora. I think Solar will be easier to > repair than invinXble. The moon photo in Solar is not as visible and central > as the katana photo in invinXble. I would favor option 2 with the understanding that a proper policy be written and must be agreed upon when submitting artwork for Fedora in the future. This way we do not lose the two most developed themes this late in the game and we still get to correct the problem. This at least would be similar to what we have done in other parts of the distro when such unfortunate issues have arisen. - David -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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What next steps would you suggest here? ~m From gnomeuser at gmail.com Tue Sep 23 19:31:56 2008 From: gnomeuser at gmail.com (David Nielsen) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2008 21:31:56 +0200 Subject: Education on image licensing and freedom In-Reply-To: <48D92BB8.6010506@fedoraproject.org> References: <48D92BB8.6010506@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <1dedbbfc0809231231t4991592cm72a826696b064b93@mail.gmail.com> 2008/9/23 M?ir?n Duffy > Hi folks, > > Did any of you joining the art team have doubts/questions/confusion over > copyright law and licensing as it pertains to the usage of > externally-sourced images used in artwork? Were you unsure of what > licenses were acceptable to use in Fedora artwork? > > What kinds of questions / uncertainties did you have, if any? > > I think we may need to get better at making clear our expectations with > respect to sourced image licensing. For some time now, we have had the > following statement on the main artwork wiki page [1]: > > # All contributions must be covered by the Contributor License >> Agreement . We cannot accept contributions from individuals who have >> not signed the CLA in the Fedora Account System . The CLA allows us >> to properly license artwork submissions for distribution with Fedora >> and other Fedora projects. >> > > > >> # Submissions must respect artwork >> licensing. If your submissions consist of artwork created by other >> people, please make sure the license of the original work you >> incorporate is compatible with Fedora and that you are not violating >> any of the provisions of its license. Just because a work is licensed >> with a Creative Commons license does not mean it is free to use (make >> sure you provide attribution to artists that license their work with >> a CC Attribution clause.) >> > > Are there any issues with this text? Does it need to be modified or > expanded to be made more clear? Should it be copied to every main theme > process page (eg /Artwork/F10Themes)? Overall I think it's fine, maybe the wiki could supplement with a few simple examples of do and don'ts, such as: * Unsure about source licensing terms, don't use it. * Unable to document source licensing terms, don't use it. It's my experience that humans often respond better to such guidelines, the above is great from a legal stance but it does not always mean the human mind thinks through all the possible scenerios. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gnomeuser at gmail.com Tue Sep 23 19:38:16 2008 From: gnomeuser at gmail.com (David Nielsen) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2008 21:38:16 +0200 Subject: Policy on works using unacceptable licenses? In-Reply-To: <48D942B7.5050501@fedoraproject.org> References: <48D926DE.4090800@fedoraproject.org> <1dedbbfc0809231222n2432425dy61dcc36c4f02a606@mail.gmail.com> <48D942B7.5050501@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <1dedbbfc0809231238t659f200ep7796be0554f96a8c@mail.gmail.com> 2008/9/23 M?ir?n Duffy > David Nielsen wrote: > >> >> I would favor option 2 with the understanding that a proper policy be >> written and must be agreed upon when submitting artwork for Fedora in the >> future. >> > > I don't understand. This is the case today. We've had a clearly written > policy on our wiki page for at least a year now, and anyone submitting > anything to the wiki has agreed to the CLA. > > What next steps would you suggest here? Well as it seems we have two potential violations something much have gone wrong, I suggested in another thread that we might supplement the policy with examples of things to avoid. I suspect short of requiring a full audit trail for all submissions with ample documentation we will always see these slip ups, humans being fallable and all, but we might be able to minimize them by giving good examples of things to consider before submission. The human mind is apt to not thinking through all the scenerios that might create problems so helping it along is probably a good idea - sort of a "before you submit your work, did you check a,b,c,d....". - David -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From martin.sourada at gmail.com Tue Sep 23 19:43:13 2008 From: martin.sourada at gmail.com (Martin Sourada) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2008 21:43:13 +0200 Subject: Legal issues with InvinXble? (I doubt so) Message-ID: <1222198993.3217.24.camel@pc-notebook> Hi, I haven't read the whole discussion yet, but I feel greatly disappointed with what I read so far. First, I have an impression that Mo and Nicu are somehow biased against Samuele's work. First, some weeks ago, Mo kept asking Samuele about Moon brushes in the Solar theme, when the Moons were already removed from the artwork, next there is the problem in katana. As nicu pointed out, the original design indeed resembles the Kill Bill poster, but even though I saw the .ogv file he provided, I am not 100% convinced Samuele used that katana. But that's beyond the point - we all know, the original katana had some licensing issues and Samuele just wasn't educated enough in that area to discover them himself. What I'd like to point out is that Nicu is greatly wrong there - the image that is packaged in Fedora and the Round 3 designs in wiki have definitely different katana. It's obvious that the blade is based on the image Samuele provided, and it's also obvious that the hilt is different from the original image (look at it more closely, it has slightly different design and also slightly different lighting), I cannot say though, which image it is based on and if it's OK, but I think I can trust Samuele, when he says: "I've taken this image and done these editions," and if the source image is OK, then I would not follow the issue further. Samuele, don't get hindered by those concerns, I believe both Mo and Nicu are just trying to prevent any legal issues that might arose in the future otherwise, and be patient with them - you have my full support! Just link to the very images you work with (and talk about) to support your claims, it might be just some misunderstanding somewhere. Just try to not get angry in your e-mails because it only adds fuel to the fire. Calm yourself before you post anything ;-) And BTW., please, please, please, set-up your mail client to use Re: instead of R: in the subject when replying - sometimes it breaks the threading feature in Evolution and also it's not very pleasing to read subjects like: "R: Re: R: Re: R: Re: Round 3 theme and fedora-fr community". Thanks, Martin -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 197 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From duffy at fedoraproject.org Tue Sep 23 20:06:43 2008 From: duffy at fedoraproject.org (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?M=E1ir=EDn_Duffy?=) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2008 16:06:43 -0400 Subject: Legal issues with InvinXble? (I doubt so) In-Reply-To: <1222198993.3217.24.camel@pc-notebook> References: <1222198993.3217.24.camel@pc-notebook> Message-ID: <48D94C53.90605@fedoraproject.org> Hi, Martin Sourada wrote: > I haven't read the whole discussion yet, but I feel greatly disappointed > with what I read so far. First, I have an impression that Mo and Nicu > are somehow biased against Samuele's work. First, some weeks ago, Mo > kept asking Samuele about Moon brushes in the Solar theme, when the > Moons were already removed from the artwork There is still a moon in the latest artwork. Check the XCF and see. , next there is the problem > in katana. As nicu pointed out, the original design indeed resembles the > Kill Bill poster, but even though I saw the .ogv file he provided, I am > not 100% convinced Samuele used that katana. Open up the XCF and see and be 100% sure. > But that's beyond the point > - we all know, the original katana had some licensing issues and Samuele > just wasn't educated enough in that area to discover them himself. I think we were pretty clear in explaining the issues at the time. > > What I'd like to point out is that Nicu is greatly wrong there - the > image that is packaged in Fedora and the Round 3 designs in wiki have > definitely different katana. It's obvious that the blade is based on the > image Samuele provided, and it's also obvious that the hilt is different > from the original image (look at it more closely, it has slightly > different design and also slightly different lighting), It is very obvious if you download the round 3 XCF from here: http://fedoraproject.org/w/uploads/0/06/Invinxible_2054x1536.xcf.bz2 And open as layer this Kill Bill wallpaper: http://img1.jurko.net/wall/paper/hattorihanzo_1280.jpg flip the kill bill wallpaper vertically. hide all layers but the 'da sword' layer and the kill bill layer in the xcf. Nudge the images to go on top of each other. You don't even need to resize them. It's undeniable that the hilts of the swords are exactly the same. > > Samuele, don't get hindered by those concerns, I believe both Mo and > Nicu are just trying to prevent any legal issues that might arose in the > future otherwise, and be patient with them - you have my full support! > Just link to the very images you work with (and talk about) to support > your claims, it might be just some misunderstanding somewhere. This image was listed as being the source image: http://www.flickr.com/photos/sstorari/2826852493/ Are you kidding me? ~m From fedora-art at brej.org Tue Sep 23 20:10:16 2008 From: fedora-art at brej.org (Charlie Brej) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2008 21:10:16 +0100 Subject: Legal issues with InvinXble? (I doubt so) In-Reply-To: <1222198993.3217.24.camel@pc-notebook> References: <1222198993.3217.24.camel@pc-notebook> Message-ID: <48D94D28.60903@brej.org> Martin Sourada wrote: > Hi, > > I haven't read the whole discussion yet, but I feel greatly disappointed > with what I read so far. First, I have an impression that Mo and Nicu > are somehow biased against Samuele's work. First, some weeks ago, Mo > kept asking Samuele about Moon brushes in the Solar theme, when the > Moons were already removed from the artwork, next there is the problem > in katana. As nicu pointed out, the original design indeed resembles the > Kill Bill poster, but even though I saw the .ogv file he provided, I am > not 100% convinced Samuele used that katana. But that's beyond the point > - we all know, the original katana had some licensing issues and Samuele > just wasn't educated enough in that area to discover them himself. (read to the end) I didn't believe it either but when you look at the layers of the image you can see it. Attached is (on the left) the image of the "Da Sword" layer of the invinXible theme and on the right section of the image from http://img1.jurko.net/wall/paper/hattorihanzo_1280.jpg (fair use). Along with the stones used to cover up the second and third holes. I think sstorari was rather naive thinking he can get away with something like this and the implications would have been very embarrassing if it wasn't picked up before release (I could see the geek media headlines now). I don't think he realised these implications at the time. *But* I do respect the ability of learning based on mistakes and judging by the fact that he, apparently, is staying up all night to try and correct his errors, he is now probably much wiser about the repercussions of this than than the average person. He has less broken the CLA and should at this stage come fully clean, sign it again and I think people will find it in their hart to forgive him. I think that the reworked designs will probably be just as good (if not better) than the submitted ones. I really do hope he does not get turned off from the community as his work is really excellent and I don't think he should let this bitter his experience. The biggest thing I learned from personally contributing or watching others contribute to open source projects and have their work discussed publicly is that people (especially me) take this stuff more personally that necessary. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: compare.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 31790 bytes Desc: not available URL: From martin.sourada at gmail.com Tue Sep 23 20:56:10 2008 From: martin.sourada at gmail.com (Martin Sourada) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2008 22:56:10 +0200 Subject: Legal issues with InvinXble? (there are some) In-Reply-To: <48D94D28.60903@brej.org> References: <1222198993.3217.24.camel@pc-notebook> <48D94D28.60903@brej.org> Message-ID: <1222203370.3217.45.camel@pc-notebook> Ok, ok, I am sorry, you proved me partly wrong, my bad. I still feel awkward about the whole discussion, but Mo is right there (I am sorry for my accusations). I looked into the sources and while the blade has been changed I believe it is directly based on Samuele's own photo, the tilt is from same photo as is used in kill bill. Samuele, I've got some questions, if you answer straight (without any personal offends taken) I believe all the issues could be fixed promptly: 1. What is the source image for the katana's tilt? (layer Da Sword copy) We just need link to the source image, if it is appropriately licensed than it's OK, if not, than we just need to find another image that is OK to use for source. 2. You haven't said where the petals are from. Did you make them yourself, or are they from another image? Could you provide link to it if that's the case? 3. It has been pointed out, the moons are still present in the Solar source, but I don't see them in the final images. I think the best solution would be to just remove them from the XFC. Sorry, if I was too hasty and you are already working on fixing these :) Mo and Nicu, I'd like to apologize for accusing you from being biased and pointing out outdated issues. It was me who was wrong and I should have checked the sources first. While part of the sword was replaced, the tilt was indeed from the same source image and I was wrong in arguing otherwise. I am sorry if I sounded in the mail as accusing you from being the *cause* for this problem. There has indeed been some "social" misunderstandings on both sides, but your points stand correct. Thanks, Martin -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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At any rate, I have used URW >> Gothic L in substitution, this is work in progress as I'll most >> likely use another font, just a quick prototype to see how it looks >> in Spanish. > > yum install -y mgopen-fonts > > Read more about this font and why we are using it > here:http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Logo/UsageGuidelines#Complementary_Font > > Later today I'll be uploading the updated version... Strange, though that in PackageKit the description for the mgopen-fonts package is that of TrueType Greek fonts (no wonder why I did not have them installed when I installed additional fonts on this laptop) From notting at redhat.com Tue Sep 23 21:53:26 2008 From: notting at redhat.com (Bill Nottingham) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2008 17:53:26 -0400 Subject: Echo vs the destkop Message-ID: <20080923215326.GA25920@nostromo.devel.redhat.com> When we approved Echo as the default icon theme for F10, I was under the assumption that this was already more or less known as a feature to the Desktop group, and they were OK with the coverage provided and the experience given. Is that the case? Looking at the desktop now (beta), I see: - at least three different icon perspectives in the stock menus (echo, 'stock', bluecurve) - nearly all 'upstream' gnome apps using non-echo style icons - an immediate disconnect between the perspective of the stock icons and the perspective of the main menu logo It also appears to me that the Echo icons scale to menu size I'm using (24) much worse than the prior icons. Are we planning to address these issues, either by increasing the Echo icon coverage, or changing various apps to point to system icons provided by Echo? Bill From mccann at jhu.edu Tue Sep 23 22:27:05 2008 From: mccann at jhu.edu (William Jon McCann) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2008 18:27:05 -0400 Subject: Echo vs the destkop In-Reply-To: <20080923215326.GA25920@nostromo.devel.redhat.com> References: <20080923215326.GA25920@nostromo.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <939dd5750809231527n41562b06r4ec4e534720eae49@mail.gmail.com> Hi Bill, On Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 5:53 PM, Bill Nottingham wrote: > When we approved Echo as the default icon theme for F10, I was under the > assumption that this was already more or less known as a feature to the > Desktop group, and they were OK with the coverage provided and the > experience given. Is that the case? No. > Looking at the desktop now (beta), I see: > > - at least three different icon perspectives in the stock menus > (echo, 'stock', bluecurve) > - nearly all 'upstream' gnome apps using non-echo style icons > - an immediate disconnect between the perspective of the stock > icons and the perspective of the main menu logo > > It also appears to me that the Echo icons scale to menu size I'm > using (24) much worse than the prior icons. > > Are we planning to address these issues, either by increasing the > Echo icon coverage, or changing various apps to point to system > icons provided by Echo? I strongly disagree with the decision to use the Echo icon theme. For one, there is simply not enough time before Fedora 10 to fix the problems that you point out. There is also the fact that the quality of the artwork is noticeably lower than the upstream GNOME and Tango icon themes. In my opinion, we should: 1. Not use the Echo icons for Fedora 10 2. Encourage Fedora artists to become involved with the upstream GNOME and Tango artist communities Thanks, Jon From mairin at linuxgrrl.com Tue Sep 23 22:47:26 2008 From: mairin at linuxgrrl.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?M=E1ir=EDn_Duffy?=) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2008 18:47:26 -0400 Subject: Echo vs the destkop In-Reply-To: <939dd5750809231527n41562b06r4ec4e534720eae49@mail.gmail.com> References: <20080923215326.GA25920@nostromo.devel.redhat.com> <939dd5750809231527n41562b06r4ec4e534720eae49@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <48D971FE.6080409@linuxgrrl.com> William Jon McCann wrote: > Hi Bill, > > On Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 5:53 PM, Bill Nottingham wrote: >> When we approved Echo as the default icon theme for F10, I was under the >> assumption that this was already more or less known as a feature to the >> Desktop group, and they were OK with the coverage provided and the >> experience given. Is that the case? > > No. I had thought Matthias volunteered to serve as the Desktop team representative. He had outlined a plan here which is what the Echo folks have been following: https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-art-list/2008-September/msg00044.html I also was under the understanding that Echo was set as the default in rawhide to enable the folks working on it a chance to get fuller coverage, and that if it was deemed to not have appropriate coverage, it would be pulled. But I'm not directly involved in any of that, I think these were things brought up in the FESCO meeting about the Echo feature. > >> Looking at the desktop now (beta), I see: >> >> - at least three different icon perspectives in the stock menus >> (echo, 'stock', bluecurve) >> - nearly all 'upstream' gnome apps using non-echo style icons >> - an immediate disconnect between the perspective of the stock >> icons and the perspective of the main menu logo >> >> It also appears to me that the Echo icons scale to menu size I'm >> using (24) much worse than the prior icons. >> >> Are we planning to address these issues, either by increasing the >> Echo icon coverage, or changing various apps to point to system >> icons provided by Echo? > > I strongly disagree with the decision to use the Echo icon theme. For > one, there is simply not enough time before Fedora 10 to fix the > problems that you point out. There is also the fact that the quality > of the artwork is noticeably lower than the upstream GNOME and Tango > icon themes. The Echo artists have been working hard at improving the coverage. If it is not there in time for the preview release, I presume they would try again for F11. Martin and Luya and perhaps FESCO can probably speak more and better to this. ~m From mclasen at redhat.com Tue Sep 23 23:03:14 2008 From: mclasen at redhat.com (Matthias Clasen) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2008 19:03:14 -0400 Subject: Echo vs the destkop In-Reply-To: <48D971FE.6080409@linuxgrrl.com> References: <20080923215326.GA25920@nostromo.devel.redhat.com> <939dd5750809231527n41562b06r4ec4e534720eae49@mail.gmail.com> <48D971FE.6080409@linuxgrrl.com> Message-ID: <1222210994.4803.9.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Tue, 2008-09-23 at 18:47 -0400, M?ir?n Duffy wrote: > I had thought Matthias volunteered to serve as the Desktop team > representative. He had outlined a plan here which is what the Echo folks > have been following: > > https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-art-list/2008-September/msg00044.html I'm the last desktop team member on fedora-art-list, but I'm not a representative, and I have no way to reconcile the wildly varying opinions inside the desktop team when it comes to style and quality of the default icon theme. From mccann at jhu.edu Tue Sep 23 23:28:06 2008 From: mccann at jhu.edu (William Jon McCann) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2008 19:28:06 -0400 Subject: Spectrum? Message-ID: <939dd5750809231628p8c6fd34y9679628375aecdb3@mail.gmail.com> Hi, Is there a reason why Mike Langlie's Spectrum wallpaper is no longer being considered for Fedora 10? http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/F10Themes/spectrum I've looked at the wiki and I'm still not sure exactly how this selection process works. Thanks, Jon From mairin at linuxgrrl.com Tue Sep 23 23:31:19 2008 From: mairin at linuxgrrl.com (=?UTF-8?B?TcOhaXLDrW4gRHVmZnk=?=) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2008 19:31:19 -0400 Subject: Echo vs the destkop In-Reply-To: <1222210994.4803.9.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <20080923215326.GA25920@nostromo.devel.redhat.com> <939dd5750809231527n41562b06r4ec4e534720eae49@mail.gmail.com> <48D971FE.6080409@linuxgrrl.com> <1222210994.4803.9.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <48D97C47.8040102@linuxgrrl.com> Matthias Clasen wrote: > On Tue, 2008-09-23 at 18:47 -0400, M?ir?n Duffy wrote: > >> I had thought Matthias volunteered to serve as the Desktop team >> representative. He had outlined a plan here which is what the Echo folks >> have been following: >> >> https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-art-list/2008-September/msg00044.html > > I'm the last desktop team member on fedora-art-list, but I'm not a > representative, and I have no way to reconcile the wildly varying > opinions inside the desktop team when it comes to style and quality of > the default icon theme. Oh okay, sorry for misunderstanding. ~m From mairin at linuxgrrl.com Tue Sep 23 23:33:10 2008 From: mairin at linuxgrrl.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?M=E1ir=EDn_Duffy?=) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2008 19:33:10 -0400 Subject: Spectrum? In-Reply-To: <939dd5750809231628p8c6fd34y9679628375aecdb3@mail.gmail.com> References: <939dd5750809231628p8c6fd34y9679628375aecdb3@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <48D97CB6.9090604@linuxgrrl.com> William Jon McCann wrote: > Hi, > > Is there a reason why Mike Langlie's Spectrum wallpaper is no longer > being considered for Fedora 10? > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/F10Themes/spectrum > > I've looked at the wiki and I'm still not sure exactly how this > selection process works. It was not completed. From http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/F10Themes#How_to_Play: "Round 2: Visually refine the concepts gathered in round 1. For this round a theme must contain at least a wallpaper draft, and 3 supporting artwork: one vertically long, one horizontally long and a square one. Deadline: Mon Sep 01 2008" ~m From luya at fedoraproject.org Wed Sep 24 00:40:19 2008 From: luya at fedoraproject.org (Luya Tshimbalanga) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2008 17:40:19 -0700 Subject: Echo vs the destkop In-Reply-To: <939dd5750809231527n41562b06r4ec4e534720eae49@mail.gmail.com> References: <20080923215326.GA25920@nostromo.devel.redhat.com> <939dd5750809231527n41562b06r4ec4e534720eae49@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <48D98C73.9080205@fedoraproject.org> William Jon McCann a ?crit : > Hi Bill, > > On Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 5:53 PM, Bill Nottingham wrote: > >> When we approved Echo as the default icon theme for F10, I was under the >> assumption that this was already more or less known as a feature to the >> Desktop group, and they were OK with the coverage provided and the >> experience given. Is that the case? >> > > No. > > > > I strongly disagree with the decision to use the Echo icon theme. For > one, there is simply not enough time before Fedora 10 to fix the > problems that you point out. There is also the fact that the quality > of the artwork is noticeably lower than the upstream GNOME and Tango > icon themes. > > See the baseset[1]. Also there are issue on system->Administration that neither gnome nor tango addressed that were done on Echo theme. > In my opinion, we should: > 1. Not use the Echo icons for Fedora 10 > 2. Encourage Fedora artists to become involved with the upstream GNOME > and Tango artist communities > The aim was to get ready before the preview release version will be out. With the given time, we (particulary Martin and I) work hard despite the lack of manpower and the calling for assistance Fesco asks to fix essential icons which are currently addressed on fedorahosted.org. Latest snapshot are available on git repostory. Need to remind Gnome/Tango artists are keeping eyes on on Echo. Luya References: ---------------- [1] https://fedorahosted.org/echo-icon-theme/wiki/ToDo/BaseSet -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 259 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From luya at fedoraproject.org Wed Sep 24 01:22:04 2008 From: luya at fedoraproject.org (Luya Tshimbalanga) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2008 18:22:04 -0700 Subject: Echo vs the destkop In-Reply-To: <20080923215326.GA25920@nostromo.devel.redhat.com> References: <20080923215326.GA25920@nostromo.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <48D9963C.7060008@fedoraproject.org> Bill Nottingham a ?crit : > Looking at the desktop now (beta), I see: > > - at least three different icon perspectives in the stock menus > (echo, 'stock', bluecurve) > I think Bluecurve mix are desktop bug. Current Fedora default theme used Bluecurve from some applications, same issue occurs on all icons theme. > - nearly all 'upstream' gnome apps using non-echo style icons > On Todo list. > - an immediate disconnect between the perspective of the stock > icons and the perspective of the main menu logo > Problem is Fedora logo cannot be modified according to guideline thus perspective cannot be used. > It also appears to me that the Echo icons scale to menu size I'm > using (24) much worse than the prior icons. > They were derived the old method before new techniques[1](echo-artist scripts derived from jimmac one canvas template[2]) were applied recently. > Are we planning to address these issues, either by increasing the > Echo icon coverage, or changing various apps to point to system > icons provided by Echo? > For the former, it can be possible as long more people participate. For the latter, upstream gnome can be "echofied" following the guideline[3]. Luya References: ---------------- [1] https://fedorahosted.org/echo-icon-theme/wiki/AddingNewIconSet [2] http://pastebin.ca/1071599 [3] https://fedorahosted.org/echo-icon-theme/wiki/Guidelines -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 259 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From mairin at linuxgrrl.com Wed Sep 24 01:29:03 2008 From: mairin at linuxgrrl.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?M=E1ir=EDn_Duffy?=) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2008 21:29:03 -0400 Subject: Echo vs the destkop In-Reply-To: <48D9963C.7060008@fedoraproject.org> References: <20080923215326.GA25920@nostromo.devel.redhat.com> <48D9963C.7060008@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <48D997DF.8020507@linuxgrrl.com> Luya Tshimbalanga wrote: > For the former, it can be possible as long more people participate. For > the latter, upstream gnome can be "echofied" following the guideline[3]. Is it realistic to expect this to happen? ~m From ianweller at gmail.com Wed Sep 24 01:37:54 2008 From: ianweller at gmail.com (Ian Weller) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2008 20:37:54 -0500 Subject: Spectrum? In-Reply-To: <939dd5750809231628p8c6fd34y9679628375aecdb3@mail.gmail.com> References: <939dd5750809231628p8c6fd34y9679628375aecdb3@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20080924013754.GB3230@gmail.com> On Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 07:28:06PM -0400, William Jon McCann wrote: > Is there a reason why Mike Langlie's Spectrum wallpaper is no longer > being considered for Fedora 10? > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/F10Themes/spectrum > I was gonna complete this for Mike but I unfortunately ran out of time. :( I might repropose it for him (or make it from scratch in inkscape, hopefully) for a later version of Fedora. Or, of course, he can repropose it for then. -- Ian Weller http://ianweller.org GnuPG fingerprint: E51E 0517 7A92 70A2 4226 B050 87ED 7C97 EFA8 4A36 "Technology is a word that describes something that doesn't work yet." ~ Douglas Adams -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Current Fedora default theme used > Bluecurve from some applications, same issue occurs on all icons theme. > > - nearly all 'upstream' gnome apps using non-echo style icons Please point out where we still have bluecurve icons in the default install. I don't see how that would happen. The inheritance of the Fedora icon theme in rawhide is: Fedora - Echo - Mist - gnome (- hicolor) Bluecurve doesn't come into play. Unfortunately, we still have to install Bluecurve by default, for the cursor theme. Longer-term, it might be worthwhile to find a newer, separately packaged cursor theme to use instead of the aging Bluecurve cursors. From mairin at linuxgrrl.com Wed Sep 24 02:09:47 2008 From: mairin at linuxgrrl.com (=?UTF-8?B?TcOhaXLDrW4gRHVmZnk=?=) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2008 22:09:47 -0400 Subject: Echo vs the destkop In-Reply-To: <1222221892.3832.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <20080923215326.GA25920@nostromo.devel.redhat.com> <48D9963C.7060008@fedoraproject.org> <1222221892.3832.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <48D9A16B.1060506@linuxgrrl.com> Matthias Clasen wrote: > On Tue, 2008-09-23 at 18:22 -0700, Luya Tshimbalanga wrote: >> Bill Nottingham a ?crit : >>> Looking at the desktop now (beta), I see: >>> >>> - at least three different icon perspectives in the stock menus >>> (echo, 'stock', bluecurve) >>> >> I think Bluecurve mix are desktop bug. Current Fedora default theme used >> Bluecurve from some applications, same issue occurs on all icons theme. >>> - nearly all 'upstream' gnome apps using non-echo style icons > > Please point out where we still have bluecurve icons in the default > install. I don't see how that would happen. The inheritance of the > Fedora icon theme in rawhide is: > > Fedora - Echo - Mist - gnome (- hicolor) I have seen bluecurve icons in rawhide's applications menu, but I think they are there because the 'upstream' apps use bluecurve style icons. For example, the SELinux Troubleshooter and the SELinux Management Tool. I think those should either be replaced with Echo icons or overrided with Echo icons when Echo is installed, right? ~m From mclasen at redhat.com Wed Sep 24 02:13:08 2008 From: mclasen at redhat.com (Matthias Clasen) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2008 22:13:08 -0400 Subject: Echo vs the destkop In-Reply-To: <48D9A16B.1060506@linuxgrrl.com> References: <20080923215326.GA25920@nostromo.devel.redhat.com> <48D9963C.7060008@fedoraproject.org> <1222221892.3832.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> <48D9A16B.1060506@linuxgrrl.com> Message-ID: <1222222388.5220.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Tue, 2008-09-23 at 22:09 -0400, M?ir?n Duffy wrote: > Matthias Clasen wrote: > > On Tue, 2008-09-23 at 18:22 -0700, Luya Tshimbalanga wrote: > >> Bill Nottingham a ?crit : > >>> Looking at the desktop now (beta), I see: > >>> > >>> - at least three different icon perspectives in the stock menus > >>> (echo, 'stock', bluecurve) > >>> > >> I think Bluecurve mix are desktop bug. Current Fedora default theme used > >> Bluecurve from some applications, same issue occurs on all icons theme. > >>> - nearly all 'upstream' gnome apps using non-echo style icons > > > > Please point out where we still have bluecurve icons in the default > > install. I don't see how that would happen. The inheritance of the > > Fedora icon theme in rawhide is: > > > > Fedora - Echo - Mist - gnome (- hicolor) > > I have seen bluecurve icons in rawhide's applications menu, but I think > they are there because the 'upstream' apps use bluecurve style icons. > For example, the SELinux Troubleshooter and the SELinux Management Tool. > I think those should either be replaced with Echo icons or overrided > with Echo icons when Echo is installed, right? > Oh, yeah. Good point. From michael.d.beckwith at gmail.com Wed Sep 24 02:16:52 2008 From: michael.d.beckwith at gmail.com (Michael Beckwith) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2008 21:16:52 -0500 Subject: Fedora 10's official Default theme Message-ID: <48D9A314.60100@gmail.com> On an operating system, far far away,, we were deep. We were busy slaving away in front of our lovely Fedora 9-run computer, hacking away at graphics for our theme proposals. Three rounds in, and we were down to four options. When it came down to it, we decided that we were no longer content with staying on this planet. The voices in our heads had spoken, and we decided to blast off into space and go Solar. We weren't feeling completely InvinXble. However, being the FOSS advocates we are, and with our support of Fedora, we were not afraid of of the unknown frontier. The Gears of time shown bright with a healthy Neon glow, but neither of these had very much effect on the course of destiny. Come join us as we sail into the Solar future for Fedora 10 later this year. Official winning order: Solar InvinXble Gears Neon From mspevack at redhat.com Wed Sep 24 04:52:01 2008 From: mspevack at redhat.com (Max Spevack) Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2008 06:52:01 +0200 (CEST) Subject: Fedora 10's official Default theme In-Reply-To: <48D9A314.60100@gmail.com> References: <48D9A314.60100@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 23 Sep 2008, Michael Beckwith wrote: > Solar > InvinXble > Gears > Neon They are all beautifully done pieces of artwork, and I really hope that everyone in the Art Team is proud of what the group has collectively achieved. I say "congrats" to everyone on the Art Team. --Max From martin.sourada at gmail.com Wed Sep 24 06:05:06 2008 From: martin.sourada at gmail.com (Martin Sourada) Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2008 08:05:06 +0200 Subject: Echo vs the destkop In-Reply-To: <20080923215326.GA25920@nostromo.devel.redhat.com> References: <20080923215326.GA25920@nostromo.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1222236306.3185.4.camel@pc-notebook> On Tue, 2008-09-23 at 17:53 -0400, Bill Nottingham wrote: > When we approved Echo as the default icon theme for F10, I was under the > assumption that this was already more or less known as a feature to the > Desktop group, and they were OK with the coverage provided and the > experience given. Is that the case? > No, they weren't OK with the current coverage (at least Matthias Clasen) and we are working hard to improve it. > Looking at the desktop now (beta), I see: > > - at least three different icon perspectives in the stock menus > (echo, 'stock', bluecurve) With Mist, there are still new gnome styled icons, old gnome styled icons and bluecurve. In some places we reduced the old gnome and bluecurve to minimum, in others not yet. Check the System -> Administration menu as an example. > - nearly all 'upstream' gnome apps using non-echo style icons > - an immediate disconnect between the perspective of the stock > icons and the perspective of the main menu logo > > It also appears to me that the Echo icons scale to menu size I'm > using (24) much worse than the prior icons. > > Are we planning to address these issues, either by increasing the > Echo icon coverage, or changing various apps to point to system > icons provided by Echo? > Yep. If you feel some particular icon is missing, it's need-to-have and is not on our todo [1], feel free to ping us about it. > Bill > Our general idea is that some time around the final freeze it will be decided by art and desktop teams whether we are ready. If not, echo will be pulled back and submitted again for F11. I'd be for voting, enabled for art and desktop fas groups members regarding this issue. Martin -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I invite more people from the desktop team to the art list, we are doing a lot of things related to the desktop so your input would be really useful. -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From luya at fedoraproject.org Wed Sep 24 06:26:33 2008 From: luya at fedoraproject.org (Luya Tshimbalanga) Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2008 02:26:33 -0400 Subject: Echo vs the destkop In-Reply-To: <48D997DF.8020507@linuxgrrl.com> References: <20080923215326.GA25920@nostromo.devel.redhat.com> <48D9963C.7060008@fedoraproject.org> <48D997DF.8020507@linuxgrrl.com> Message-ID: <1222237593.48d9dd9948904@ssl.mecca.ca> Quoting M?ir?n Duffy : > Is it realistic to expect this to happen? > Anything that thought to be unrealistic can happen. =) -- Luya Tshimbalanga Fedora Project contributor From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Wed Sep 24 06:35:09 2008 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2008 09:35:09 +0300 Subject: Policy on works using unacceptable licenses? In-Reply-To: <1dedbbfc0809231238t659f200ep7796be0554f96a8c@mail.gmail.com> References: <48D926DE.4090800@fedoraproject.org> <1dedbbfc0809231222n2432425dy61dcc36c4f02a606@mail.gmail.com> <48D942B7.5050501@fedoraproject.org> <1dedbbfc0809231238t659f200ep7796be0554f96a8c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <48D9DF9D.9020603@nicubunu.ro> David Nielsen wrote: > > Well as it seems we have two potential violations something much have > gone wrong, I suggested in another thread that we might supplement the > policy with examples of things to avoid. I suspect short of requiring a > full audit trail for all submissions with ample documentation we will > always see these slip ups, humans being fallable and all, but we might > be able to minimize them by giving good examples of things to consider > before submission. The human mind is apt to not thinking through all the > scenerios that might create problems so helping it along is probably a > good idea - sort of a "before you submit your work, did you check > a,b,c,d....". Well, I propose a simple guideline: "Don't like. When people ask about the source of your work, be honest and tell the truth." That would have solved all of our problems *weeks* ago, but I think it is common-sense and we should not have to have this as a written guideline. -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From luya_tfz at thefinalzone.com Wed Sep 24 06:54:00 2008 From: luya_tfz at thefinalzone.com (Luya Tshimbalanga) Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2008 02:54:00 -0400 Subject: Echo vs the destkop In-Reply-To: <1222222388.5220.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <20080923215326.GA25920@nostromo.devel.redhat.com> <48D9963C.7060008@fedoraproject.org> <1222221892.3832.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> <48D9A16B.1060506@linuxgrrl.com> <1222222388.5220.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1222239240.48d9e4086fa00@ssl.mecca.ca> Quoting Matthias Clasen : > On Tue, 2008-09-23 at 22:09 -0400, M??ir??n Duffy wrote: > > Matthias Clasen wrote: > > > On Tue, 2008-09-23 at 18:22 -0700, Luya Tshimbalanga wrote: > > >> Bill Nottingham a ??crit : > > >>> Looking at the desktop now (beta), I see: > > >>> > > >>> - at least three different icon perspectives in the stock menus > > >>> (echo, 'stock', bluecurve) > > >>> > > >> I think Bluecurve mix are desktop bug. Current Fedora default theme used > > >> Bluecurve from some applications, same issue occurs on all icons theme. > > >>> - nearly all 'upstream' gnome apps using non-echo style icons > > > > > > Please point out where we still have bluecurve icons in the default > > > install. I don't see how that would happen. The inheritance of the > > > Fedora icon theme in rawhide is: > > > > > > Fedora - Echo - Mist - gnome (- hicolor) > > > > I have seen bluecurve icons in rawhide's applications menu, but I think > > they are there because the 'upstream' apps use bluecurve style icons. > > For example, the SELinux Troubleshooter and the SELinux Management Tool. > > I think those should either be replaced with Echo icons or overrided > > with Echo icons when Echo is installed, right? > > > > Oh, yeah. Good point. > *Writin for OLPC XO*,There are reported bugs related to hardcoded icons for system-config* that have not been addressed via Bugzilla. Echo is using symlink as workaround. -- Luya Tshimbalanga Fedora Project contributor http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/LuyaTshimbalanga From kanarip at kanarip.com Wed Sep 24 09:19:21 2008 From: kanarip at kanarip.com (Jeroen van Meeuwen) Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2008 11:19:21 +0200 Subject: Mock-ups for pages on spins.fp.o Message-ID: <48DA0619.9020701@kanarip.com> Hey there, It is time for the spins.fp.o website to take shape and there's a lot of stuff to do; First of all, we've come up with a Site Map[1] of what spins.fp.o is going to look like in the end, and we like to get started for F-10 GA for at least some of these pages. I'm thinking everything that is interactive is off the map for now as we can probably not get that in the 1.5-2 months that we have left for F-10 GA, but the pages itself, describing the process, the features of a spin, the viewing of the kickstart used to compose it, the HOWTO pages, etc. should be perfectly doable for F-10 GA. So, I've been asked to make some wire-frames[2] for the pages, but I am a graphical no-know (really). There's a couple of mockup[3] pages, which give an impression of how cool it could look ;-) So, the question is; who will help me in getting these wireframes for the pages we want to create for F-10 GA? It concerns the following pages (see sitemap) (need a wireframe): - Home[2] - Browse - Search - Spin Details - Download - View Kickstart - Spins Guide - What this? - Howto use - Howto burn - Howto USB - Howto Create `- Submit Review And I would like to gather some volunteers from the Spins SIG as well as the Art and Websites team so we can make this into something really really cool. If you would like to take on one or two or more of these wireframes, please let me know so we can keep track of who does what and save ourselves from doing duplicates. Thanks in advance, Jeroen van Meeuwen -kanarip [1] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Websites/Spins/SiteMap [2] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Websites/Spins/Wireframes [3] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Websites/Spins/Mockups From sstorari at byte-code.com Wed Sep 24 09:56:31 2008 From: sstorari at byte-code.com (Samuele Storari) Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2008 11:56:31 +0200 (CEST) Subject: Fixing Solar In-Reply-To: <1575897566.11181222249563696.JavaMail.root@mail.byte-code.com> Message-ID: <65092739.11201222250191869.JavaMail.root@mail.byte-code.com> First of all I want to apologize with all art-team and mailing list member for last two days mails. This is my first work in FOSS environment and I didn't understand all implication and I saw your continue checking on my work as a way to find something wrong. Anyway... I fixed Solar wall paper with a moon taken from http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:Full_moon.png which is public domain and is possible to use. After it, I will fix also invinxible so we can leave it on wiki. Here https://fedoraproject.org/w/uploads/c/c6/Solar_2048x1536_v2.xcf.bz2 you can find the source correct. Step by Step i'm correctin the other format. Samuele -- Samuele Storari Art Director Byte-Code srl mobile: +39 347 50 798 32 office: +39 02 9840047 http://www.byte-code.com From luya at fedoraproject.org Wed Sep 24 10:04:06 2008 From: luya at fedoraproject.org (Luya Tshimbalanga) Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2008 03:04:06 -0700 Subject: [Echo] New system-run icon set Message-ID: <48DA1096.1040900@fedoraproject.org> system-run is an action icon hence the use of table perspective following the guideline. It is derived from emblem-system, one gear is used instead of three like some other icon theme. 16x16 and 22x22 should be crisp enough. Comment welcome. Luya Reference: http://luya.fedorapeople.org/echo/actions/ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I fixed Solar wall paper with a moon taken from > http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:Full_moon.png which is public > domain and is possible to use. > After it, I will fix also invinxible so we can leave it on wiki. > There is a tsuka image from wikipedia under cc-by-sa license. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Tsuka-p1000660.jpg Luya -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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From sstorari at byte-code.com Wed Sep 24 10:42:50 2008 From: sstorari at byte-code.com (Samuele Storari) Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2008 12:42:50 +0200 (CEST) Subject: R: Re: Fixing Solar In-Reply-To: <48DA181B.9000101@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <1849231713.11391222252970589.JavaMail.root@mail.byte-code.com> Thanks a lot But I think I will use this one: http://www.flickr.com/photos/renfield/149727039/sizes/o/ It have the same license of ur one. It will be a little better for perspective. Samuele ----- Messaggio originale ----- Da: "Luya Tshimbalanga" A: "Discussions about the artwork included with Fedora, including icons, themes, and wallpapers." Inviato: Mercoled?, 24 settembre 2008 12:36:11 GMT +01:00 Amsterdam/Berlino/Berna/Roma/Stoccolma/Vienna Oggetto: Re: Fixing Solar Samuele Storari a ?crit : > Anyway... I fixed Solar wall paper with a moon taken from > http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:Full_moon.png which is public > domain and is possible to use. > After it, I will fix also invinxible so we can leave it on wiki. > There is a tsuka image from wikipedia under cc-by-sa license. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Tsuka-p1000660.jpg Luya _______________________________________________ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list at redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list -- Samuele Storari Art Director Byte-Code srl mobile: +39 347 50 798 32 office: +39 02 9840047 http://www.byte-code.com From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Wed Sep 24 10:56:22 2008 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2008 13:56:22 +0300 Subject: Fixing Solar In-Reply-To: <65092739.11201222250191869.JavaMail.root@mail.byte-code.com> References: <65092739.11201222250191869.JavaMail.root@mail.byte-code.com> Message-ID: <48DA1CD6.9040706@nicubunu.ro> Samuele Storari wrote: > > Anyway... I fixed Solar wall paper with a moon taken from > http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:Full_moon.png which is public > domain and is possible to use. That source should be OK. > After it, I will fix also invinxible so we can leave it on wiki. Prioritize InvinXile as the last, we need Solar ASAP in a good shape for inclusion. > Here https://fedoraproject.org/w/uploads/c/c6/Solar_2048x1536_v2.xcf.bz2 you can find the source correct. > Step by Step i'm correctin the other format. If that makes your work easier: you don't have to provide XCFs for *all* the sizes of the wallpaper, the largest one is enough, the other are cut/resized from it. When you get to GRUB maybe try a simplified version, for the current one the white pixels (noise) do not look very good (I now, is really hard to have a good looking image with so few colors). Probably it has to be processed a bit after conversion to delete the noise. -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Wed Sep 24 11:01:56 2008 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2008 14:01:56 +0300 Subject: R: Re: Fixing Solar In-Reply-To: <1849231713.11391222252970589.JavaMail.root@mail.byte-code.com> References: <1849231713.11391222252970589.JavaMail.root@mail.byte-code.com> Message-ID: <48DA1E24.2070201@nicubunu.ro> Samuele Storari wrote: > Thanks a lot > > But I think I will use this one: > > http://www.flickr.com/photos/renfield/149727039/sizes/o/ > It have the same license of ur one. Keep in mind that it still has the "Attribution" clause, so you have to mention it in the wiki page along with a link to the source. I am not an expert in this matter but I suspect that it may requre your final image to be attributed like this: "Created by Samuele Storari using samples by Renfield" (but I am not certain, it may not be needed) -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From martin.sourada at gmail.com Wed Sep 24 11:06:40 2008 From: martin.sourada at gmail.com (Martin Sourada) Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2008 13:06:40 +0200 Subject: Echo vs the destkop In-Reply-To: <1222236306.3185.4.camel@pc-notebook> References: <20080923215326.GA25920@nostromo.devel.redhat.com> <1222236306.3185.4.camel@pc-notebook> Message-ID: <1222254400.3476.1.camel@pc-notebook> > Yep. If you feel some particular icon is missing, it's need-to-have and > is not on our todo [1], feel free to ping us about it. > Sorry, I forgot to add reference: [1] https://fedorahosted.org/echo-icon-theme/wiki/ToDo/BaseSet Martin -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 197 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From jreznik at redhat.com Wed Sep 24 11:24:41 2008 From: jreznik at redhat.com (Jaroslav Reznik) Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2008 07:24:41 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Echo vs the destkop In-Reply-To: <177253899.3182571222255358782.JavaMail.root@zmail02.collab.prod.int.phx2.redhat.com> Message-ID: <292861380.3182741222255481662.JavaMail.root@zmail02.collab.prod.int.phx2.redhat.com> Hi Martin, thanks for this useful link. We (KDE SIG) are trying to use Echo theme as default for KDE but currently there are still some icons missing. We are preparing list of to-be-done icons. So can we fill it as ticket for echo-icon-theme and edit Todo on Wiki? I really like Echo theme and it's amazing work from you and Art Team! Thank you! R. ----- "Martin Sourada" wrote: > > Yep. If you feel some particular icon is missing, it's need-to-have > and > > is not on our todo [1], feel free to ping us about it. > > > Sorry, I forgot to add reference: > [1] https://fedorahosted.org/echo-icon-theme/wiki/ToDo/BaseSet > > Martin > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list From luca at foppiano.org Wed Sep 24 11:32:46 2008 From: luca at foppiano.org (Luca Foppiano) Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2008 13:32:46 +0200 Subject: R: Re: Fixing Solar In-Reply-To: <48DA1E24.2070201@nicubunu.ro> References: <1849231713.11391222252970589.JavaMail.root@mail.byte-code.com> <48DA1E24.2070201@nicubunu.ro> Message-ID: <1222255966.4165.15.camel@sboing.byte-code.lan> On Wed, 2008-09-24 at 14:01 +0300, Nicu Buculei wrote: > Keep in mind that it still has the "Attribution" clause, so you have to > mention it in the wiki page along with a link to the source. > > I am not an expert in this matter but I suspect that it may requre your > final image to be attributed like this: "Created by Samuele Storari > using samples by Renfield" (but I am not certain, it may not be needed) I think so...And also the derivative image must released using the same licence. Luca -- Today is Boomtime, the 48th day of Bureaucracy in the YOLD 3174 Put your trust in those who are worthy. From mairin at linuxgrrl.com Wed Sep 24 11:48:02 2008 From: mairin at linuxgrrl.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?M=E1ir=EDn_Duffy?=) Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2008 07:48:02 -0400 Subject: Echo vs the destkop In-Reply-To: <1222237593.48d9dd9948904@ssl.mecca.ca> References: <20080923215326.GA25920@nostromo.devel.redhat.com> <48D9963C.7060008@fedoraproject.org> <48D997DF.8020507@linuxgrrl.com> <1222237593.48d9dd9948904@ssl.mecca.ca> Message-ID: <48DA28F2.4090004@linuxgrrl.com> Luya Tshimbalanga wrote: > Quoting M?ir?n Duffy : > > >> Is it realistic to expect this to happen? >> > Anything that thought to be unrealistic can happen. =) Sure, but does upstream gnome have any plans to echo-ify their icons? I think I'm on gnome-art-list and I've seen nothing there indicating this. It's not just going to happen. And I'm not sure it's a great idea. Why would they do this? ~m From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Wed Sep 24 11:47:56 2008 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2008 14:47:56 +0300 Subject: R: Re: Fixing Solar In-Reply-To: <1222255966.4165.15.camel@sboing.byte-code.lan> References: <1849231713.11391222252970589.JavaMail.root@mail.byte-code.com> <48DA1E24.2070201@nicubunu.ro> <1222255966.4165.15.camel@sboing.byte-code.lan> Message-ID: <48DA28EC.30907@nicubunu.ro> Luca Foppiano wrote: > On Wed, 2008-09-24 at 14:01 +0300, Nicu Buculei wrote: > >> Keep in mind that it still has the "Attribution" clause, so you have to >> mention it in the wiki page along with a link to the source. >> >> I am not an expert in this matter but I suspect that it may requre your >> final image to be attributed like this: "Created by Samuele Storari >> using samples by Renfield" (but I am not certain, it may not be needed) > > I think so...And also the derivative image must released using the same > licence. Sorry, I overlook the Share Alike part... you are right. -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From mairin at linuxgrrl.com Wed Sep 24 11:55:08 2008 From: mairin at linuxgrrl.com (=?UTF-8?B?TcOhaXLDrW4gRHVmZnk=?=) Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2008 07:55:08 -0400 Subject: R: Re: Fixing Solar In-Reply-To: <1849231713.11391222252970589.JavaMail.root@mail.byte-code.com> References: <1849231713.11391222252970589.JavaMail.root@mail.byte-code.com> Message-ID: <48DA2A9C.8090902@linuxgrrl.com> Samuele Storari wrote: > Thanks a lot I'm sorry but could I please ask that you fix your email client so it uses "Re:" instead of "R:"? It makes the mailing list hard to read! Thanks, :) ~m From jlaska at fedoraproject.org Tue Sep 23 12:01:07 2008 From: jlaska at fedoraproject.org (James Laska) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2008 08:01:07 -0400 Subject: FedoraQA Art Request In-Reply-To: <27a6293b0809221245h6908e879k8347066f5a507bca@mail.gmail.com> References: <27a6293b0809221245h6908e879k8347066f5a507bca@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1222171267.6075.4.camel@flatline> Thanks Mar?a, I do like the bug shown in the second example. But I also like how the second example is spread out and makes full use of the space in the banner. The second example seems to jump out of the page a bit more, perhaps just using more contrasting colors. After taking into account Nicu's suggestion, my preference would be the first logo (http://tatica.org/tux/FedoraQA.png). Many thanks! James On Tue, 2008-09-23 at 15:15 +0000, Mar?a Leandro wrote: > > Hello! > > I was reading the Artwork Design Service and some ideas came up on the > FedoraQA open request. I was talking a little with jlaska at the IRC > channel and this are two propositions. (draws). > > Hope some like it :D > > http://tatica.org/tux/FedoraQA.png > > http://tatica.org/tux/FedoraQA2.png > > > > > -- > tatica > Maria Gracia Leandro > http://www.tatica.org > http://www.iseit.net > http://www.latinux.org > http://www.latinux.com > http://www.fedora-ve.org > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/MariaLeandro > LinuxUser= 440285 > GPG Public Key: E1CDCC56 > "Be yourself... Don't be anyone else" > From danishka at gmail.com Tue Sep 23 12:19:38 2008 From: danishka at gmail.com (Danishka Navin) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2008 17:49:38 +0530 Subject: Happy 5th Birthday banner In-Reply-To: <1222171997.22903.30.camel@victoria-eth.internal.frields.org> References: <1221823438.16213.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> <48D3A96A.9060304@nicubunu.ro> <1221837068.2097.27.camel@localhost.localdomain> <48D3C7E0.1050502@fedoraproject.org> <48D3D37B.4020503@nicubunu.ro> <48D3DDB7.7080309@gmail.com> <1222091630.25208.58.camel@victoria-eth> <1222169793.22903.18.camel@victoria-eth.internal.frields.org> <48D8DBAB.2080909@nicubunu.ro> <1222171997.22903.30.camel@victoria-eth.internal.frields.org> Message-ID: to the web site, but just in case, let me make that request here... if > anyone wants me to file a ticket, I'm happy to do so! > > Personally I would love to have this up on the site for about 15 days. > A couple weeks is not too long a time to celebrate 5 years of one > awesome community. :-) Superb! 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Frields > On Tue, 2008-09-23 at 15:06 +0300, Nicu Buculei wrote: > > Paul W. Frields wrote: > > > > > > I tried doing this myself this morning, without any luck or success. > If > > > anyone can get this banner working this morning, I'll talk to the > admins > > > about putting it up tonight. > > > > I think this should do it... > > Superb! We just spoke with Ricky in IRC so I *think* this is on its way > to the web site, but just in case, let me make that request here... if > anyone wants me to file a ticket, I'm happy to do so! > > Personally I would love to have this up on the site for about 15 days. > A couple weeks is not too long a time to celebrate 5 years of one > awesome community. :-) > > -- > Paul W. 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The Fedora Project was born -- at least >>>> by domain records -- on September 24, 2003. I thought that celebrating >>>> this would be fun. 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URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: 5years-banner1.png Type: image/png Size: 98853 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: 5years-banner1.png Type: image/png Size: 98853 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: 5years-banner-large1.svg Type: image/svg+xml Size: 75807 bytes Desc: not available URL: From sstorari at byte-code.com Wed Sep 24 12:11:40 2008 From: sstorari at byte-code.com (Samuele Storari) Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2008 14:11:40 +0200 (CEST) Subject: R: Re: Fixing Solar In-Reply-To: <48DA2A9C.8090902@linuxgrrl.com> Message-ID: <1110273952.11741222258300319.JavaMail.root@mail.byte-code.com> Ok, now will be better. Samuele ----- Original Message ----- From: "M?ir?n Duffy" To: "Discussions about the artwork included with Fedora, including icons, themes, and wallpapers." Sent: Wednesday, 24 September, 2008 1:55:08 PM GMT +01:00 Amsterdam / Berlin / Bern / Rome / Stockholm / Vienna Subject: Re: R: Re: Fixing Solar Samuele Storari wrote: > Thanks a lot I'm sorry but could I please ask that you fix your email client so it uses "Re:" instead of "R:"? It makes the mailing list hard to read! Thanks, :) ~m _______________________________________________ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list at redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list -- Samuele Storari Art Director Byte-Code srl mobile: +39 347 50 798 32 office: +39 02 9840047 http://www.byte-code.com From sstorari at byte-code.com Wed Sep 24 12:28:47 2008 From: sstorari at byte-code.com (Samuele Storari) Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2008 14:28:47 +0200 (CEST) Subject: Fixing Solar In-Reply-To: <48DA1CD6.9040706@nicubunu.ro> Message-ID: <946910338.11911222259327024.JavaMail.root@mail.byte-code.com> Hi Nicu, can u help me with the indexed image. On the Wiki u find the correct source file https://fedoraproject.org/w/uploads/d/d4/Screen_Prompt_640x300.xcf.bz2 may u try to do some test? Thanks Samuele ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nicu Buculei" To: "Discussions about the artwork included with Fedora, including icons, themes, and wallpapers." Sent: Wednesday, 24 September, 2008 12:56:22 PM GMT +01:00 Amsterdam / Berlin / Bern / Rome / Stockholm / Vienna Subject: Re: Fixing Solar Samuele Storari wrote: > > Anyway... I fixed Solar wall paper with a moon taken from > http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:Full_moon.png which is public > domain and is possible to use. That source should be OK. > After it, I will fix also invinxible so we can leave it on wiki. Prioritize InvinXile as the last, we need Solar ASAP in a good shape for inclusion. > Here https://fedoraproject.org/w/uploads/c/c6/Solar_2048x1536_v2.xcf.bz2 you can find the source correct. > Step by Step i'm correctin the other format. If that makes your work easier: you don't have to provide XCFs for *all* the sizes of the wallpaper, the largest one is enough, the other are cut/resized from it. When you get to GRUB maybe try a simplified version, for the current one the white pixels (noise) do not look very good (I now, is really hard to have a good looking image with so few colors). Probably it has to be processed a bit after conversion to delete the noise. -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro _______________________________________________ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list at redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list -- Samuele Storari Art Director Byte-Code srl mobile: +39 347 50 798 32 office: +39 02 9840047 http://www.byte-code.com From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Wed Sep 24 12:48:16 2008 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2008 15:48:16 +0300 Subject: Fixing Solar In-Reply-To: <946910338.11911222259327024.JavaMail.root@mail.byte-code.com> References: <946910338.11911222259327024.JavaMail.root@mail.byte-code.com> Message-ID: <48DA3710.2020003@nicubunu.ro> Samuele Storari wrote: > > can u help me with the indexed image. On the Wiki u find the correct source file > https://fedoraproject.org/w/uploads/d/d4/Screen_Prompt_640x300.xcf.bz2 > may u try to do some test? While I am no expert at this, I can try. But looking at Fedora 9, I think Syslinux is able to use images with more than 16 colors (and the ThemingOverview page is obsolete about this matter - the boot splash on the LiveCD is beautiful, the one on the normal install is ugly) so the 640x480 version has to be optimised. And I will say it again: for such splashes the XCF with *all* layers is not needed, we can use the PNG wallpaper as a base and do not waste a lot of space and bandwidth. -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From sstorari at byte-code.com Wed Sep 24 12:50:22 2008 From: sstorari at byte-code.com (Samuele Storari) Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2008 14:50:22 +0200 (CEST) Subject: Fixing Solar In-Reply-To: <48DA3710.2020003@nicubunu.ro> Message-ID: <1717512979.12031222260622318.JavaMail.root@mail.byte-code.com> Ok, wich format i will render? 640x480 will be good? 16bit color right? Samuele ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nicu Buculei" To: "Discussions about the artwork included with Fedora, including icons, themes, and wallpapers." Sent: Wednesday, 24 September, 2008 2:48:16 PM GMT +01:00 Amsterdam / Berlin / Bern / Rome / Stockholm / Vienna Subject: Re: Fixing Solar Samuele Storari wrote: > > can u help me with the indexed image. On the Wiki u find the correct source file > https://fedoraproject.org/w/uploads/d/d4/Screen_Prompt_640x300.xcf.bz2 > may u try to do some test? While I am no expert at this, I can try. But looking at Fedora 9, I think Syslinux is able to use images with more than 16 colors (and the ThemingOverview page is obsolete about this matter - the boot splash on the LiveCD is beautiful, the one on the normal install is ugly) so the 640x480 version has to be optimised. And I will say it again: for such splashes the XCF with *all* layers is not needed, we can use the PNG wallpaper as a base and do not waste a lot of space and bandwidth. -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro _______________________________________________ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list at redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list -- Samuele Storari Art Director Byte-Code srl mobile: +39 347 50 798 32 office: +39 02 9840047 http://www.byte-code.com From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Wed Sep 24 13:00:55 2008 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2008 16:00:55 +0300 Subject: Fixing Solar In-Reply-To: <1717512979.12031222260622318.JavaMail.root@mail.byte-code.com> References: <1717512979.12031222260622318.JavaMail.root@mail.byte-code.com> Message-ID: <48DA3A07.6040603@nicubunu.ro> Samuele Storari wrote: > Ok, wich format i will render? > > 640x480 will be good? > 16bit color right? I fear we may have to go with the simplification as far as that (attached) -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: 640x300.png Type: image/png Size: 4831 bytes Desc: not available URL: From sstorari at byte-code.com Wed Sep 24 13:03:52 2008 From: sstorari at byte-code.com (Samuele Storari) Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2008 15:03:52 +0200 (CEST) Subject: Fixing Solar In-Reply-To: <48DA3A07.6040603@nicubunu.ro> Message-ID: <1323938920.12191222261432557.JavaMail.root@mail.byte-code.com> So there it is... But think it would be only a lil step, after user will find the real graphic. :D I will upload your treatment of the image if u have nothing contrary Samuele ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nicu Buculei" To: "Discussions about the artwork included with Fedora, including icons, themes, and wallpapers." Sent: Wednesday, 24 September, 2008 3:00:55 PM GMT +01:00 Amsterdam / Berlin / Bern / Rome / Stockholm / Vienna Subject: Re: Fixing Solar Samuele Storari wrote: > Ok, wich format i will render? > > 640x480 will be good? > 16bit color right? I fear we may have to go with the simplification as far as that (attached) -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro [image/png:640x300.png] _______________________________________________ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list at redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list -- Samuele Storari Art Director Byte-Code srl mobile: +39 347 50 798 32 office: +39 02 9840047 http://www.byte-code.com -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: 640x300.png Type: image/png Size: 4831 bytes Desc: not available URL: From martin.sourada at gmail.com Wed Sep 24 13:30:54 2008 From: martin.sourada at gmail.com (Martin Sourada) Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2008 15:30:54 +0200 Subject: Echo vs the destkop In-Reply-To: <292861380.3182741222255481662.JavaMail.root@zmail02.collab.prod.int.phx2.redhat.com> References: <292861380.3182741222255481662.JavaMail.root@zmail02.collab.prod.int.phx2.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1222263054.3476.5.camel@pc-notebook> On Wed, 2008-09-24 at 07:24 -0400, Jaroslav Reznik wrote: > Hi Martin, > thanks for this useful link. > > We (KDE SIG) are trying to use Echo theme as default > for KDE but currently there are still some icons missing. > We are preparing list of to-be-done icons. So can we > fill it as ticket for echo-icon-theme and edit Todo on > Wiki? > > I really like Echo theme and it's amazing work from you > and Art Team! Thank you! > > R. > I am not sure if we allowed write rights on wiki to everyone, but you can send the list, when it's done, to the art-list or make a new ticket for it, depends on what you prefer. I'll transfer it to the wiki then. Thank you as well, Martin -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 197 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Wed Sep 24 13:39:16 2008 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2008 16:39:16 +0300 Subject: Fixing Solar In-Reply-To: <1323938920.12191222261432557.JavaMail.root@mail.byte-code.com> References: <1323938920.12191222261432557.JavaMail.root@mail.byte-code.com> Message-ID: <48DA4304.3000803@nicubunu.ro> Samuele Storari wrote: > So there it is... But think it would be only a lil step, after user will find the real graphic. > :D > > I will upload your treatment of the image if u have nothing contrary Or maybe someone more experienced at this can come with a better looking simplification. -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From martin.sourada at gmail.com Wed Sep 24 13:40:41 2008 From: martin.sourada at gmail.com (Martin Sourada) Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2008 15:40:41 +0200 Subject: Echo vs the destkop In-Reply-To: <48DA28F2.4090004@linuxgrrl.com> References: <20080923215326.GA25920@nostromo.devel.redhat.com> <48D9963C.7060008@fedoraproject.org> <48D997DF.8020507@linuxgrrl.com> <1222237593.48d9dd9948904@ssl.mecca.ca> <48DA28F2.4090004@linuxgrrl.com> Message-ID: <1222263641.3476.14.camel@pc-notebook> On Wed, 2008-09-24 at 07:48 -0400, M?ir?n Duffy wrote: > Luya Tshimbalanga wrote: > > Quoting M?ir?n Duffy : > > > > > >> Is it realistic to expect this to happen? > >> > > Anything that thought to be unrealistic can happen. =) > > Sure, but does upstream gnome have any plans to echo-ify their icons? I > think I'm on gnome-art-list and I've seen nothing there indicating this. > > It's not just going to happen. And I'm not sure it's a great idea. Why > would they do this? > Me too. I think it just don't make sense to make echo from gnome icons or the other way round. They're two different icon themes and should stay such - but compatible when it comes to metaphors. Apart from that, while gnome icon theme strives to be default icon theme gnome-wide, echo would like to be default fedora-wide (in the future). It has the caveats that we need to maintain some amount of compatibility with both gnome icon theme (gnome default) and oxygen icon theme (KDE4 default) to keep the "dissonances" low. Also it has the pros that we can better focus on covering fedora/redhat specific apps, like system-config-* that the other icon themes are overlooking/ignoring. Martin -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I like the idea of Fedora-wide icon theme and Echo icon theme. It can cover differences between Gnome & KDE in the future and as you said we need it for system-configs and other Fedora related applications too. R. > Martin > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list From martin.sourada at gmail.com Wed Sep 24 13:58:53 2008 From: martin.sourada at gmail.com (Martin Sourada) Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2008 15:58:53 +0200 Subject: [Echo] New system-run icon set In-Reply-To: <48DA1096.1040900@fedoraproject.org> References: <48DA1096.1040900@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <1222264733.3476.26.camel@pc-notebook> On Wed, 2008-09-24 at 03:04 -0700, Luya Tshimbalanga wrote: > system-run is an action icon hence the use of table perspective > following the guideline. > It is derived from emblem-system, one gear is used instead of three like > some other icon theme. > 16x16 and 22x22 should be crisp enough. Comment welcome. > > Luya > > Reference: > http://luya.fedorapeople.org/echo/actions/ The icon looks generally good (and crisp), but I have some comments. First the metaphor - can you try to fit there more than one gear? Or maybe you could try similar metaphor like oxygen theme uses (gear with "play" symbol inside). The current single gear variant looks IMHO too much like settings or something... Next is 256x256 version - you might want to redo the 3-D part to make it look more echoey. Just take the front face and redo the rest and it should be fine I think. I mostly don't like the outline around the hole and you should use 1px wide (or if it's just the outline and bellow all other objects, 2px wide because only half of the width is actually visible) semitransparent outline to keep in sync with other new icons. Finally, the shadow - in 22x22 it is too small and in 32x32 it seem a little bit off. You can use similar shadow I used for the go-* icons or the dialog-* icons. It should be possible to make the gears both smaller and still recognisable by reducing number of sprockets. 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In-Reply-To: <20080924013754.GB3230@gmail.com> References: <939dd5750809231628p8c6fd34y9679628375aecdb3@mail.gmail.com> <20080924013754.GB3230@gmail.com> Message-ID: <48DA5461.2060400@redhat.com> Ian Weller wrote: > On Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 07:28:06PM -0400, William Jon McCann wrote: > >> Is there a reason why Mike Langlie's Spectrum wallpaper is no longer >> being considered for Fedora 10? >> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/F10Themes/spectrum >> >> > I was gonna complete this for Mike but I unfortunately ran out of time. > :( > > I might repropose it for him (or make it from scratch in inkscape, > hopefully) for a later version of Fedora. Or, of course, he can > repropose it for then. > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list > Sorry for the incompletion, been bludgeonably busy. Mike From gnomeuser at gmail.com Wed Sep 24 17:38:06 2008 From: gnomeuser at gmail.com (David Nielsen) Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2008 19:38:06 +0200 Subject: Spectrum? In-Reply-To: <48DA5461.2060400@redhat.com> References: <939dd5750809231628p8c6fd34y9679628375aecdb3@mail.gmail.com> <20080924013754.GB3230@gmail.com> <48DA5461.2060400@redhat.com> Message-ID: <1dedbbfc0809241038h2b18d7b0p14db9c9a52906f2f@mail.gmail.com> 2008/9/24 Mike Langlie > Ian Weller wrote: > >> On Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 07:28:06PM -0400, William Jon McCann wrote: >> >> >>> Is there a reason why Mike Langlie's Spectrum wallpaper is no longer >>> being considered for Fedora 10? >>> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/F10Themes/spectrum >>> >>> >>> >> I was gonna complete this for Mike but I unfortunately ran out of time. >> :( >> >> I might repropose it for him (or make it from scratch in inkscape, >> hopefully) for a later version of Fedora. Or, of course, he can >> repropose it for then. >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Fedora-art-list mailing list >> Fedora-art-list at redhat.com >> http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list >> >> > Sorry for the incompletion, been bludgeonably busy. It's to bad I have been using the original spectrum background for a while now and I really love it. I hope to see a nice professional looking full theme like it presented for F11. - David -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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See the numbers and results for the vote at: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/F10Themes -- ~Michael http://michaelbox.net From ivazqueznet at gmail.com Wed Sep 24 18:05:44 2008 From: ivazqueznet at gmail.com (Ignacio Vazquez-Abrams) Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2008 14:05:44 -0400 Subject: [Echo] New system-run icon set In-Reply-To: <48DA1096.1040900@fedoraproject.org> References: <48DA1096.1040900@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <1222279544.3276.33.camel@ignacio.lan> On Wed, 2008-09-24 at 03:04 -0700, Luya Tshimbalanga wrote: > system-run is an action icon hence the use of table perspective > following the guideline. > It is derived from emblem-system, one gear is used instead of three like > some other icon theme. > 16x16 and 22x22 should be crisp enough. Comment welcome. The angle looks a little strange (it looks like it's falling over towards the left), teeth 1, 4, and 5 (counting clockwise from the top) look the wrong size/shape (shape, shape, and size respectively), and the gaps between teeth 2 and 3 and teeth 6 and 7 seem too wide. But I'm picky. -- Ignacio Vazquez-Abrams PLEASE don't CC me; I'm already subscribed -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Also it has the pros that we can > better focus on covering fedora/redhat specific apps, like > system-config-* that the other icon themes are overlooking/ignoring. One of the things it can help fix is gaps in the icon theme specification as well. Rahul From luya at fedoraproject.org Wed Sep 24 18:13:48 2008 From: luya at fedoraproject.org (Luya Tshimbalanga) Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2008 11:13:48 -0700 Subject: Echo vs the destkop In-Reply-To: <1222263641.3476.14.camel@pc-notebook> References: <20080923215326.GA25920@nostromo.devel.redhat.com> <48D9963C.7060008@fedoraproject.org> <48D997DF.8020507@linuxgrrl.com> <1222237593.48d9dd9948904@ssl.mecca.ca> <48DA28F2.4090004@linuxgrrl.com> <1222263641.3476.14.camel@pc-notebook> Message-ID: <48DA835C.9090005@fedoraproject.org> Martin Sourada a ?crit : > > Me too. I think it just don't make sense to make echo from gnome icons > or the other way round. 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Just take the front face and redo the rest and it > should be fine I think. I mostly don't like the outline around the hole > and you should use 1px wide (or if it's just the outline and bellow all > other objects, 2px wide because only half of the width is actually > visible) semitransparent outline to keep in sync with other new icons. > I forgot to shrink outline to 2px which has been addressed. > > It should be possible to make the gears both smaller and still > recognisable by reducing number of sprockets. > > Done for 16x16. Need to see how it looks on other screen. Luya Reference: --------------- http://luya.fedorapeople.org/echo/actions/ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: system-run.png Type: image/png Size: 49494 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Need to see how it looks on other screen. > Might need some more touches, the other sizes are looking crisp, but the 16x16 is a little bit hard to recognise. > Luya > Further comments to this version: The gradients are a bit strange, I think both gears should use same gradients, rather metallic than grey. Also the side face should have different gradient - one the top of the gear it should be similarly bright as the front face I think to better follow the lighting guidelines. The connection of the two grears is a little off, it's noticeable only on the 256x256 and slightly on 48x48 version. The shadow below the second gear should be more transparent, since the gear is higher. You might want to make the top-right gear smaller than the bottom left one, I think it would look better. Martin -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Also the side face should have > different gradient - one the top of the gear it should be similarly > bright as the front face I think to better follow the lighting > guidelines. > Set the side brighter if not than the face to avoid to much blending. > The connection of the two grears is a little off, it's noticeable only > on the 256x256 and slightly on 48x48 version. The shadow below the > second gear should be more transparent, since the gear is higher. You > might want to make the top-right gear smaller than the bottom left one, > I think it would look better. > Fixed. I was not sure if I should take off outline inside the connection. Shadow has been addressed. Luya Reference: --------------- http://luya.fedorapeople.org/echo/actions/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I hope to see a nice professional looking full > theme like it presented for F11. > Yeah, I would too. I'll collaborate with Mike as necessary... hopefully I will have a bit more free time before F11. (hah, funny) -- Ian Weller http://ianweller.org GnuPG fingerprint: E51E 0517 7A92 70A2 4226 B050 87ED 7C97 EFA8 4A36 "Technology is a word that describes something that doesn't work yet." ~ Douglas Adams -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 197 bytes Desc: not available URL: From sstorari at byte-code.com Thu Sep 25 00:17:10 2008 From: sstorari at byte-code.com (Samuele Storari) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 02:17:10 +0200 (CEST) Subject: F10 Default Theme clarification In-Reply-To: <48DA7DD0.3040200@gmail.com> Message-ID: <855751370.12751222301830001.JavaMail.root@mail.byte-code.com> Wow... No word left. I can't imagine so much people like solar. I'm workin til now to fix something. Tomorrow i will continue work on Solar, I think it will be ready for all not over friday. Samuele ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Beckwith" To: "Fedora Art List" Cc: "Fedora Marketing List" Sent: Wednesday, 24 September, 2008 7:50:08 PM GMT +01:00 Amsterdam / Berlin / Bern / Rome / Stockholm / Vienna Subject: F10 Default Theme clarification In case my announcement was not the clearest in wording, Solar is in fact the winning design, and will be getting pushed further in the polish. See the numbers and results for the vote at: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/F10Themes -- ~Michael http://michaelbox.net _______________________________________________ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list at redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list -- Samuele Storari Art Director Byte-Code srl mobile: +39 347 50 798 32 office: +39 02 9840047 http://www.byte-code.com From mairin at linuxgrrl.com Thu Sep 25 03:45:57 2008 From: mairin at linuxgrrl.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?M=E1ir=EDn_Duffy?=) Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2008 23:45:57 -0400 Subject: Fedora 10's official Default theme In-Reply-To: <7f5a764e0809241808w5b2e0bau15ed37ac284cb7f8@mail.gmail.com> References: <48D9A314.60100@gmail.com> <9ae7d5480809240808x7163c9f4k26e272d5ebc6ac6f@mail.gmail.com> <1dedbbfc0809241725h2cdaf9e1of3f6a84a9785bbef@mail.gmail.com> <48DAE3F3.1080107@fedoraproject.org> <7f5a764e0809241808w5b2e0bau15ed37ac284cb7f8@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <48DB0975.5000701@linuxgrrl.com> Anoochit Chalothorn wrote: > To all > > I like Solar so much :) I don't mean to pick on you Anoochit, but it seems like there is still some confusion despite a the art team sending out a few clarifications on the theme voting (maybe they only reached the art list): - the vote is over. - Solar won. - we are not accepting votes by email, but the vote is over anyway. - the vote was only open to art group members. So please, stop sending "votes"! :) The election is over. Thanks! ~m From n1ghtcr4wler at gmail.com Wed Sep 24 15:08:30 2008 From: n1ghtcr4wler at gmail.com (Ricardo Ichizo) Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2008 12:08:30 -0300 Subject: Fedora 10's official Default theme In-Reply-To: <48D9A314.60100@gmail.com> References: <48D9A314.60100@gmail.com> Message-ID: <9ae7d5480809240808x7163c9f4k26e272d5ebc6ac6f@mail.gmail.com> Hi, On Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 11:16 PM, Michael Beckwith < michael.d.beckwith at gmail.com> wrote: > On an operating system, far far away,, we were deep. We were busy slaving > away in front of our lovely Fedora 9-run computer, hacking away at graphics > for our theme proposals. Three rounds in, and we were down to four options. > When it came down to it, we decided that we were no longer content with > staying on this planet. The voices in our heads had spoken, and we decided > to blast off into space and go Solar. > > We weren't feeling completely InvinXble. However, being the FOSS advocates > we are, and with our support of Fedora, we were not afraid of of the unknown > frontier. The Gears of time shown bright with a healthy Neon glow, but > neither of these had very much effect on the course of destiny. Come join us > as we sail into the Solar future for Fedora 10 later this year. > > > Official winning order: > Solar > InvinXble > Gears > Neon > My favorite is Solar theme. Best regards, -- Ricardo Ichizo -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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For >> one, there is simply not enough time before Fedora 10 to fix the >> problems that you point out. There is also the fact that the quality >> of the artwork is noticeably lower than the upstream GNOME and Tango >> icon themes. >> >> > See the baseset[1]. Also there are issue on system->Administration > that neither gnome nor > tango addressed that were done on Echo theme. If the system -> Administration looks out of place with the rest of the system, does it help to introduce another icon style so the rest of the system looks out of place instead? A icon set is a mighty beast, bigger than it might appear at first. It have taken about 3 years for the 6-7 core icon developers upstream (with several others occasionally helping out) to where it is now. We're welcoming all interested contributors to help out upstream with open arms. I've had a very good experience with working together on with Fedora developers in GNOME and would love for more collaboration to happen. btw, big thanks to Mike Langlie, who did a great job on the icons for Packagekit! - Andreas From martin.sourada at gmail.com Thu Sep 25 09:04:48 2008 From: martin.sourada at gmail.com (Martin Sourada) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 11:04:48 +0200 Subject: [Echo] New system-run icon set In-Reply-To: <48DAAB66.2040706@fedoraproject.org> References: <48DA1096.1040900@fedoraproject.org> <1222264733.3476.26.camel@pc-notebook> <48DA8719.4080309@fedoraproject.org> <1222285582.3344.6.camel@pc-notebook> <48DAAB66.2040706@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <1222333488.3344.10.camel@pc-notebook> I wasn't still happy about it so I decided to redo it from scratch. The sprockets are now distributed evenly and the top gear is smaller. It's still not there yet I think, but I leave the rest of the tweaking for you. 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It > have taken about 3 years for the 6-7 core icon developers upstream (with > several others occasionally helping out) to where it is now. We're > welcoming all interested contributors to help out upstream with open > arms. I've had a very good experience with working together on with > Fedora developers in GNOME and would love for more collaboration to happen. Hopefully, we can leverage your experience and make use of the useful things you discovered, like the one canvas workflow or some icon metaphors and don't reinvent the wheel, just paint it differently. -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Thu Sep 25 09:52:03 2008 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 12:52:03 +0300 Subject: [Echo] New system-run icon set In-Reply-To: <1222333488.3344.10.camel@pc-notebook> References: <48DA1096.1040900@fedoraproject.org> <1222264733.3476.26.camel@pc-notebook> <48DA8719.4080309@fedoraproject.org> <1222285582.3344.6.camel@pc-notebook> <48DAAB66.2040706@fedoraproject.org> <1222333488.3344.10.camel@pc-notebook> Message-ID: <48DB5F43.50601@nicubunu.ro> Martin Sourada wrote: > I wasn't still happy about it so I decided to redo it from scratch. The > sprockets are now distributed evenly and the top gear is smaller. It's > still not there yet I think, but I leave the rest of the tweaking for > you. Having the second gear smaller is a suggestion I wanted to make but I was shy about it: it was late in the discuss and I may sound much like a whiner which contribute only with words and no actual work to the icon set... So +1 from me There is still a minor observation: in the 256x256 version it looks like the small gear is not on the same plane with the other, like it is a bit backward, so maybe raise it a bit (overlap more the two gears). > Reference: > http://mso.fedorapeople.org/echo/Actions/system-run.svg -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From martin.sourada at gmail.com Thu Sep 25 10:02:51 2008 From: martin.sourada at gmail.com (Martin Sourada) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 12:02:51 +0200 Subject: [Echo] New system-run icon set In-Reply-To: <48DB5F43.50601@nicubunu.ro> References: <48DA1096.1040900@fedoraproject.org> <1222264733.3476.26.camel@pc-notebook> <48DA8719.4080309@fedoraproject.org> <1222285582.3344.6.camel@pc-notebook> <48DAAB66.2040706@fedoraproject.org> <1222333488.3344.10.camel@pc-notebook> <48DB5F43.50601@nicubunu.ro> Message-ID: <1222336971.15551.2.camel@pc-notebook> On Thu, 2008-09-25 at 12:52 +0300, Nicu Buculei wrote: > Having the second gear smaller is a suggestion I wanted to make but I > was shy about it: it was late in the discuss and I may sound much like a > whiner which contribute only with words and no actual work to the icon > set... > Don't be shy about that. Suggestions and comments are also welcome contribution, if you are not confident enough to draw the icons yourself :-) > So +1 from me > > There is still a minor observation: in the 256x256 version it looks like > the small gear is not on the same plane with the other, like it is a bit > backward, so maybe raise it a bit (overlap more the two gears). > Hm... I didn't want the gears to touch, and being slightly apart, it creates the unwanted effect of not being on the same plane... > > Reference: > > http://mso.fedorapeople.org/echo/Actions/system-run.svg > > Martin -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From hylkebons at gmail.com Thu Sep 25 13:28:44 2008 From: hylkebons at gmail.com (Hylke Bons) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 15:28:44 +0200 Subject: Echo vs the destkop In-Reply-To: <48DB5D39.3000609@nicubunu.ro> References: <20080923215326.GA25920@nostromo.devel.redhat.com> <939dd5750809231527n41562b06r4ec4e534720eae49@mail.gmail.com> <48D98C73.9080205@fedoraproject.org> <48DB3ED5.2000607@home.se> <48DB5D39.3000609@nicubunu.ro> Message-ID: <55cf1980809250628j41ecb6d2we6e7fe48d167de9f@mail.gmail.com> I think what Andreas means is that when you install an application that is not in the default Fedora install, it's going to look out of place. All the most popular OSS packages now use the same icon style upstream, which is a major achievement, but instead Fedora chooses to do it all over again. It's not very hard to make Echo look integrated with the upstream icons, without losing its characteristics. Echo already got the thick outer stroke, i think what's most "out of place" is the weird perspective. What you will see happening is toolbars in applications using different kinds of icon perspectives. At least that's what I think of it. I'm not just criticising, but if you agree I will put my money where my mouth is and help out. Hylke On Thu, Sep 25, 2008 at 11:43 AM, Nicu Buculei wrote: > Andreas Nilsson wrote: >> >> If the system -> Administration looks out of place with the rest of the >> system, does it help to introduce another icon style so the rest of the >> system looks out of place instead? > > But Echi is not going to be used exclusively for the Administration menu, > but for the entire menu, so the icons will be consistent. > >> A icon set is a mighty beast, bigger than it might appear at first. It >> have taken about 3 years for the 6-7 core icon developers upstream (with >> several others occasionally helping out) to where it is now. We're welcoming >> all interested contributors to help out upstream with open arms. I've had a >> very good experience with working together on with Fedora developers in >> GNOME and would love for more collaboration to happen. > > Hopefully, we can leverage your experience and make use of the useful things > you discovered, like the one canvas workflow or some icon metaphors and > don't reinvent the wheel, just paint it differently. > > -- > nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com > Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ > Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org > my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list > From martin.sourada at gmail.com Thu Sep 25 13:42:01 2008 From: martin.sourada at gmail.com (Martin Sourada) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 15:42:01 +0200 Subject: Echo vs the destkop In-Reply-To: <55cf1980809250628j41ecb6d2we6e7fe48d167de9f@mail.gmail.com> References: <20080923215326.GA25920@nostromo.devel.redhat.com> <939dd5750809231527n41562b06r4ec4e534720eae49@mail.gmail.com> <48D98C73.9080205@fedoraproject.org> <48DB3ED5.2000607@home.se> <48DB5D39.3000609@nicubunu.ro> <55cf1980809250628j41ecb6d2we6e7fe48d167de9f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1222350121.15551.10.camel@pc-notebook> On Thu, 2008-09-25 at 15:28 +0200, Hylke Bons wrote: > I think what Andreas means is that when you install an application > that is not in the default Fedora install, it's going to look out of > place. > All the most popular OSS packages now use the same icon style > upstream, which is a major achievement, but instead Fedora chooses to > do it all over again. I guess you are wrong here - you are talking only about GTK/Gnome applications, but Fedora equally supports QT/KDE applications, that use totally different style (oxygen). And because we want full desktop integration for both QT and GTK applications we are left with no other choice that create our own icons style that will not clash very much with either of them. The perspective choices were done by Diana when she started the icon set some years ago and we're probably not going to rethink them. Though I would not be against it, if there were enough people working on redoing all the icons with the "better" perspective. > It's not very hard to make Echo look integrated with the upstream > icons, without losing its characteristics. Echo already got the thick > outer stroke, i think what's most "out of place" is the weird > perspective. What you will see happening is toolbars in applications > using different kinds of icon perspectives. > Not necessarily. In toolbars there are primarily actions icons that have similar perspective to gnome icons (on the table or flat). > At least that's what I think of it. I'm not just criticising, but if > you agree I will put my money where my mouth is and help out. > > Hylke > Martin -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 197 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From stickster at gmail.com Thu Sep 25 15:45:09 2008 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 15:45:09 +0000 Subject: Secondary wordmark Message-ID: <1222357510.4386.27.camel@victoria-eth> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Pfrields/Secondary_trademark_design OK, as if things weren't exciting enough with the new Fedora 10 artwork and our progress toward a beautiful new theme, here's something I wanted to talk to the Art team about: a secondary wordmark. Having a secondary wordmark, a community-usable mark for derivative spins, will help drive more interest in Fedora. It enables a slew of use cases, some of which I've outlined in a draft of new trademark guidelines here, which are under review by Red Hat's legal department: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Pfrields/New_trademark_guidelines So why am I coming to the Artwork team? Well, it's simple -- I'm no artist. I made a couple drafts using one of the proposed word marks, "Fueled by Fedora," which got a lot of positive response when I floated it around to different community members. Another great suggestion is "Fedora Remix." We will probably not use something tired like "Based on Fedora," nor awkward or jargon-laden, like "Derived from Fedora" or "Contains Fedora RPMs." If anyone's got a great suggestion, I'll take it under advisement and a good design will have some weight too, but so far the two phrases I suggested above are the only ones that have had significant flash value to me and the other people who've heard them. I'm cutting the Marketing Project on the cc: line so they can pitch in ideas, and the FAB list so the Board and other watchers are aware of our progress on this issue. If you're an artist, dump your designs to: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Pfrields/Secondary_trademark_design -- or some other wiki page, but please put a link on my page so I can track them all! :-) I'll start a discussion about the wording for the mark on Fedora Marketing List which anyone should (as always) feel free to join. Thanks for your time everyone, and I hope you enjoy the opportunity to open Fedora up to a whole new group of contributors and community members! -- Paul W. Frields gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://paul.frields.org/ - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From jspaleta at gmail.com Thu Sep 25 16:22:03 2008 From: jspaleta at gmail.com (Jeff Spaleta) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 08:22:03 -0800 Subject: Fedora 10's official Default theme In-Reply-To: <48D9A314.60100@gmail.com> References: <48D9A314.60100@gmail.com> Message-ID: <604aa7910809250922u56c3fa9eh4c8269bb890a543@mail.gmail.com> On Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 6:16 PM, Michael Beckwith wrote: > Solar Now that Solar is selected. I would like to humbly suggest that we attempt to make a connection in our F10 release press materials to the International Heliophysical Year events. Nothing overly science geeked out, but a shout out the scientific research community participating in the IHY activities would make a lot of sense to me. And not because I'm technically one of those people. http://ihy2007.org/ Yeah it says 2007, but they really mean 2007-2009.. who knew that Heliophysical years are twice as long as Earth years. -jef From sstorari at byte-code.com Thu Sep 25 20:21:52 2008 From: sstorari at byte-code.com (Samuele Storari) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 22:21:52 +0200 (CEST) Subject: Solar final fixing In-Reply-To: <297230275.14181222373975047.JavaMail.root@mail.byte-code.com> Message-ID: <11006586.14201222374112125.JavaMail.root@mail.byte-code.com> Hi all, as today told on irc channel (#fedora-art) I've uploaded on fedorapeople.org an archive with screenshots attesting my work is now fixed so there will be no problem about any part of the file. You will find all at: http://sstorari.fedorapeople.org/ Please check this out and if all is correct i will go on creatin the Solar Theme. Thanks Samuele -- Samuele Storari Art Director Byte-Code srl mobile: +39 347 50 798 32 office: +39 02 9840047 http://www.byte-code.com From william.jon.mccann at gmail.com Thu Sep 25 21:22:39 2008 From: william.jon.mccann at gmail.com (William Jon McCann) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 17:22:39 -0400 Subject: Echo vs the destkop In-Reply-To: <1222350121.15551.10.camel@pc-notebook> References: <20080923215326.GA25920@nostromo.devel.redhat.com> <939dd5750809231527n41562b06r4ec4e534720eae49@mail.gmail.com> <48D98C73.9080205@fedoraproject.org> <48DB3ED5.2000607@home.se> <48DB5D39.3000609@nicubunu.ro> <55cf1980809250628j41ecb6d2we6e7fe48d167de9f@mail.gmail.com> <1222350121.15551.10.camel@pc-notebook> Message-ID: <939dd5750809251422v7ad33c22sa23f1fc56cfa058@mail.gmail.com> Hi, 2008/9/25 Martin Sourada : > On Thu, 2008-09-25 at 15:28 +0200, Hylke Bons wrote: >> I think what Andreas means is that when you install an application >> that is not in the default Fedora install, it's going to look out of >> place. >> All the most popular OSS packages now use the same icon style >> upstream, which is a major achievement, but instead Fedora chooses to >> do it all over again. > I guess you are wrong here - you are talking only about GTK/Gnome > applications, but Fedora equally supports QT/KDE applications, that use > totally different style (oxygen). And because we want full desktop > integration for both QT and GTK applications we are left with no other > choice that create our own icons style that will not clash very much > with either of them. The perspective choices were done by Diana when she > started the icon set some years ago and we're probably not going to > rethink them. Fedora does not equally support QT/KDE applications. And even if we did, there is a difference between supporting the applications and guaranteeing that they integrate perfectly with a GNOME desktop. Even if we did want QT/KDE applications to integrate perfectly into a GNOME desktop, it is not true that the only way to do this is to adopt the Oxygen icon theme styles and metaphors. It is simply not true that your only choice was to create a brand new icon theme. From what I can tell, the Tango icon theme has similar goals, is complete, and has an active community. One problem with icon set proliferation is that it makes it very difficult for applications shipping icons. Remember that not all icons on the screen are part of an icon set. In fact, one of the specific goals of the icon naming standard was to reduce the number of application icons shipped in the theme. We also fail to support the art communities upstream. Andreas has practically begged you to work with him upstream. We simply don't have enough good artists around to have turf wars over icon sets. I will join him in asking you to work upstream. So, I think that the stated reasons for creating a new icon theme are not strong, the icon set is incomplete and inconsistent, makes things more confusing for application developers, and further fractures our already small art community. > Though I would not be against it, if there were enough people working on > redoing all the icons with the "better" perspective. Consistency is not the only problem with the Echo icon theme. I propose that we officially switch back to using the upstream icons while we continue to discuss whether a new icon set is in the best interest of our larger community and the Fedora "product". Meanwhile, the Echo icons can be improved, completed, and made more consistent. Thanks, Jon From martin.sourada at gmail.com Thu Sep 25 22:12:16 2008 From: martin.sourada at gmail.com (Martin Sourada) Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2008 00:12:16 +0200 Subject: Echo vs the destkop In-Reply-To: <939dd5750809251422v7ad33c22sa23f1fc56cfa058@mail.gmail.com> References: <20080923215326.GA25920@nostromo.devel.redhat.com> <939dd5750809231527n41562b06r4ec4e534720eae49@mail.gmail.com> <48D98C73.9080205@fedoraproject.org> <48DB3ED5.2000607@home.se> <48DB5D39.3000609@nicubunu.ro> <55cf1980809250628j41ecb6d2we6e7fe48d167de9f@mail.gmail.com> <1222350121.15551.10.camel@pc-notebook> <939dd5750809251422v7ad33c22sa23f1fc56cfa058@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1222380736.3308.25.camel@pc-notebook> On Thu, 2008-09-25 at 17:22 -0400, William Jon McCann wrote: > Hi, > Hi, > Fedora does not equally support QT/KDE applications. And even if we I'd strongly disagree with that. QT/KDE applications has equal love from the KDE SIG as GTK/Gnome from the Desktop team, and I think the KDE SIG guys are trying hard to avert the general opinion that Fedora does not care about KDE. > did, there is a difference between supporting the applications and > guaranteeing that they integrate perfectly with a GNOME desktop. > True, but we'd like to reduce the integration shortcomings to minimum. > Even if we did want QT/KDE applications to integrate perfectly into a > GNOME desktop, it is not true that the only way to do this is to adopt > the Oxygen icon theme styles and metaphors. It is simply not true > that your only choice was to create a brand new icon theme. From what > I can tell, the Tango icon theme has similar goals, is complete, and > has an active community. > You got me wrong. What I was trying to say is that Gnome Icon Theme (which is current gnome upstream, Tango is IMHO worse in case of coverage) is designed for gnome, and oxygen is designed for KDE and there is zero probability that gnome switches to oxygen or kde to tango-styled icons. Echo wants to be fit for both. We cannot just prefer one set to the other, it would be unfair to the one that would not be selected, also we'd like to distinguish Fedora look and feel more from other distributions. > One problem with icon set proliferation is that it makes it very > difficult for applications shipping icons. Remember that not all > icons on the screen are part of an icon set. In fact, one of the > specific goals of the icon naming standard was to reduce the number of > application icons shipped in the theme. > In my opinion it's applications fault. The day icon themes were born to the world, people should have accepted the fact and make it possible to change every icon on desktop by looking them up in icon themes. It's not only because the Echo icon theme, we can replace the upstream icons if needed for Fedora, the biggest issue I see there is that it effectively blocks creating themes designed specially for people with disabilities, like HiContrast icon theme. > We also fail to support the art communities upstream. Andreas has > practically begged you to work with him upstream. We simply don't > have enough good artists around to have turf wars over icon sets. I > will join him in asking you to work upstream. > Echo *is* an upstream, even though it's done by Fedora artists and for Fedora. We are interested in creating the Echo icon set, not the Gnome icon set, nor Oxygen icon set (otherwise we'd be already working on these), yet we'd like to help others as well. That's why we try to work with upstream applications to support icon themes better. > So, I think that the stated reasons for creating a new icon theme are > not strong, the icon set is incomplete and inconsistent, makes things > more confusing for application developers, and further fractures our > already small art community. > Yet we have already many supporters in our user base, both from KDE and GNOME camps and every new release many people are disappointed that Echo is still not default. I know that's not a reason to include it and that's why I'd like it to be voted on by the camps that have most to say about that - Art Team and Desktop Team (and in case of KDE also the KDE SIG). > > Though I would not be against it, if there were enough people working on > > redoing all the icons with the "better" perspective. > > Consistency is not the only problem with the Echo icon theme. I > propose that we officially switch back to using the upstream icons > while we continue to discuss whether a new icon set is in the best > interest of our larger community and the Fedora "product". Meanwhile, > the Echo icons can be improved, completed, and made more consistent. > That will be decided by both Art and Desktop teams. I'll accept whatever way they'll decide to go, but the decision is still about a month ahead of us - and that's a plenty of time. > Thanks, > Jon > Thanks, Martin -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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It is quite obvious you have done a lot of work here to retrace and document carefully your steps and I really, really appreciate that. You've done a tremendous job! I walked through all of your screenshots. My main question (which I asked you earlier on IRC but I don't think I got a response from you on) is where did the original flare bitmap that you traced come from? I feel a little nervous about giving you an okay when I don't know the source of that bitmap, because I do not want to encourage tracing of unknown-licensed works. I think in some cases using a photo or other work as a guide can be ok, and you've certainly done some manual work in tracing it and applied to the solar graphic so that it's not that recognizable. However, I do want there to be some recognition that at least in spirit it's a bad practice to trace other people's work like that (if it is another person's work). This is especially true if you plan to publish your tutorial on doing the flare to a wider audience (which I would love to see you do! It's very useful :) ) I would really encourage you to cite that image in the tutorial if so. If the image it's from is not openly-licensed, I would encourage you to modify the tutorial such that it uses an openly-licensed photo. I know this may seem very strict and perhaps it's overly so. But I think you have to be VERY careful, especially in a tutorial setting when you are setting an example for others, to send the right message. Being very responsible and clear about your sources can only set a *good* example to your audience. So here are just two things I'd like to hear from you before I give you my approval on this: - Can you tell us the source of the flare bitmap that you started from? (I considered that perhaps you created it on your own, but it would be rather recursive to create it, trace it, and then re-create it - wouldn't it? So I assume it came from elsewhere. Where?) - Can you provide the final XCF? I would feel a lot more confident giving you my approval if I had the chance to look it over beforehand. Again, this is a tremendous effort on your part Samuele, thank you so much! I'm really looking forward to working with this new improved Solar artwork so I can start creating banners for fedoraproject.org and working on the disc and disc sleeve artwork! :) I hope this mail isn't a discouragement to you; it's obvious you have a lot of talent and I think you will be a very valuable member of the art team! ~m From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Fri Sep 26 07:18:06 2008 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2008 10:18:06 +0300 Subject: Secondary wordmark In-Reply-To: <1222357510.4386.27.camel@victoria-eth> References: <1222357510.4386.27.camel@victoria-eth> Message-ID: <48DC8CAE.7080905@nicubunu.ro> Paul W. Frields wrote: > > If you're an artist, dump your designs to: > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Pfrields/Secondary_trademark_design > -- or some other wiki page, but please put a link on my page so I can > track them all! :-) You went on-purpose with all-caps for the Fedora word to make it stand-out from the primary wordmark? I think it looks better with small letters: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Image:Fedora_secondary_logo_draft4.png (note: I made the graphic yesterday and uploaded a primary version but updated the letter spacing in the meantime). -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From sstorari at byte-code.com Fri Sep 26 09:14:44 2008 From: sstorari at byte-code.com (Samuele Storari) Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2008 11:14:44 +0200 (CEST) Subject: Solar final fixing In-Reply-To: <971163205.14651222420235018.JavaMail.root@mail.byte-code.com> Message-ID: <1315381835.14671222420484516.JavaMail.root@mail.byte-code.com> Hi M?ir?n About the sources (XCF) they was already online on the Solar page i've uploaded it yesterday, I forgot to say it, sorry :D And about the Image i used in the background of my tutorial it was a part of solar created followin' the instruction I shown you in this other Tutorial: http://people.byte-code.com/sstorari/?p=21 I wanted to recreate a new effect so we can certificate the image now is totally cc, made by zero. The problem with the past effect is that unfortunately I can't certificate the originality so for don't fall again I do it by new. The past effect after the start tutorial here above where masked, scaled, rotated and merged in gimp, as the same for the vector. Why I use Inkscape in the yesterday tutorial? 'Cause it's nice to change :D, and 'cause make it again usin' the brushes will take so much time more. Than I hope here we are, sorry for the misunderstandings we have had. I hope to see your works soon. Cheers Samuele ----- Original Message ----- From: "M?ir?n Duffy" To: "Fedora Art List" Sent: Friday, 26 September, 2008 2:17:09 AM GMT +01:00 Amsterdam / Berlin / Bern / Rome / Stockholm / Vienna Subject: Re: Solar final fixing Hi Samuele, Samuele Storari wrote: > Hi all, > > as today told on irc channel (#fedora-art) I've uploaded on fedorapeople.org an archive with screenshots attesting my work is now fixed so there will be no problem about any part of the file. > > You will find all at: http://sstorari.fedorapeople.org/ > > Please check this out and if all is correct i will go on creatin the Solar Theme. It is quite obvious you have done a lot of work here to retrace and document carefully your steps and I really, really appreciate that. You've done a tremendous job! I walked through all of your screenshots. My main question (which I asked you earlier on IRC but I don't think I got a response from you on) is where did the original flare bitmap that you traced come from? I feel a little nervous about giving you an okay when I don't know the source of that bitmap, because I do not want to encourage tracing of unknown-licensed works. I think in some cases using a photo or other work as a guide can be ok, and you've certainly done some manual work in tracing it and applied to the solar graphic so that it's not that recognizable. However, I do want there to be some recognition that at least in spirit it's a bad practice to trace other people's work like that (if it is another person's work). This is especially true if you plan to publish your tutorial on doing the flare to a wider audience (which I would love to see you do! It's very useful :) ) I would really encourage you to cite that image in the tutorial if so. If the image it's from is not openly-licensed, I would encourage you to modify the tutorial such that it uses an openly-licensed photo. I know this may seem very strict and perhaps it's overly so. But I think you have to be VERY careful, especially in a tutorial setting when you are setting an example for others, to send the right message. Being very responsible and clear about your sources can only set a *good* example to your audience. So here are just two things I'd like to hear from you before I give you my approval on this: - Can you tell us the source of the flare bitmap that you started from? (I considered that perhaps you created it on your own, but it would be rather recursive to create it, trace it, and then re-create it - wouldn't it? So I assume it came from elsewhere. Where?) - Can you provide the final XCF? I would feel a lot more confident giving you my approval if I had the chance to look it over beforehand. Again, this is a tremendous effort on your part Samuele, thank you so much! I'm really looking forward to working with this new improved Solar artwork so I can start creating banners for fedoraproject.org and working on the disc and disc sleeve artwork! :) I hope this mail isn't a discouragement to you; it's obvious you have a lot of talent and I think you will be a very valuable member of the art team! ~m _______________________________________________ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list at redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list -- Samuele Storari Art Director Byte-Code srl mobile: +39 347 50 798 32 office: +39 02 9840047 http://www.byte-code.com From stickster at gmail.com Fri Sep 26 11:39:51 2008 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2008 07:39:51 -0400 Subject: Secondary wordmark In-Reply-To: <48DC8CAE.7080905@nicubunu.ro> References: <1222357510.4386.27.camel@victoria-eth> <48DC8CAE.7080905@nicubunu.ro> Message-ID: <20080926113951.GA14754@victoria-eth.internal.frields.org> On Fri, Sep 26, 2008 at 10:18:06AM +0300, Nicu Buculei wrote: > Paul W. Frields wrote: >> >> If you're an artist, dump your designs to: >> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Pfrields/Secondary_trademark_design >> -- or some other wiki page, but please put a link on my page so I can >> track them all! :-) > > You went on-purpose with all-caps for the Fedora word to make it > stand-out from the primary wordmark? I think it looks better with small > letters: > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Image:Fedora_secondary_logo_draft4.png > (note: I made the graphic yesterday and uploaded a primary version but > updated the letter spacing in the meantime). I noted in the design page that you can (and probably *should*) use the "fedora" word design from the official trademark to design this new wordmark. Much to my surprise the attorneys said that was acceptable and probably desirable. What we *can't* do is to use the Infinity logo in this new wordmark, and we should not create a second logo to go with it -- the new mark will be just a wordmark with a nifty design. -- Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Samuele Storari wrote: > Hi M?ir?n > > About the sources (XCF) they was already online on the Solar page i've uploaded it yesterday, I forgot to say it, sorry :D > And about the Image i used in the background of my tutorial it was a part of solar created followin' the instruction I shown you in this other Tutorial: > > http://people.byte-code.com/sstorari/?p=21 > > I wanted to recreate a new effect so we can certificate the image now is totally cc, made by zero. > The problem with the past effect is that unfortunately I can't certificate the originality so for don't fall again I do it by new. > The past effect after the start tutorial here above where masked, scaled, rotated and merged in gimp, as the same for the vector. > Why I use Inkscape in the yesterday tutorial? 'Cause it's nice to change :D, and 'cause make it again usin' the brushes will take so much time more. > > Than I hope here we are, sorry for the misunderstandings we have had. > I hope to see your works soon. Oh okay, this is great - thanks for your patience! It's early morning here, I'll be able to look over the XCF later today to give you final approval. So far it's looking really good. ~m From rdieter at math.unl.edu Fri Sep 26 14:45:03 2008 From: rdieter at math.unl.edu (Rex Dieter) Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2008 09:45:03 -0500 Subject: Echo vs the destkop References: <20080923215326.GA25920@nostromo.devel.redhat.com> <939dd5750809231527n41562b06r4ec4e534720eae49@mail.gmail.com> <48D98C73.9080205@fedoraproject.org> <48DB3ED5.2000607@home.se> <48DB5D39.3000609@nicubunu.ro> <55cf1980809250628j41ecb6d2we6e7fe48d167de9f@mail.gmail.com> <1222350121.15551.10.camel@pc-notebook> <939dd5750809251422v7ad33c22sa23f1fc56cfa058@mail.gmail.com> <1222380736.3308.25.camel@pc-notebook> Message-ID: Martin Sourada wrote: > On Thu, 2008-09-25 at 17:22 -0400, William Jon McCann wrote: >> Fedora does not equally support QT/KDE applications. And even if we > I'd strongly disagree with that. QT/KDE applications has equal love from > the KDE SIG as GTK/Gnome from the Desktop team I'm going to give a benefit of doubt here, and venture that the "equal support" comment was based on the # of upstream developers involved in Fedora, which the fedora-desktop team has quite a number of, and kde-sig much less so. That said, "equal love" is not far from the mark either. :) > Echo *is* an upstream, even though it's done by Fedora artists and for > Fedora. We are interested in creating the Echo icon set... Amen brother. Do what you love, love what you do... -- Rex From duffy at fedoraproject.org Fri Sep 26 14:55:05 2008 From: duffy at fedoraproject.org (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?M=E1ir=EDn_Duffy?=) Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2008 10:55:05 -0400 Subject: Echo vs the destkop In-Reply-To: References: <20080923215326.GA25920@nostromo.devel.redhat.com> <939dd5750809231527n41562b06r4ec4e534720eae49@mail.gmail.com> <48D98C73.9080205@fedoraproject.org> <48DB3ED5.2000607@home.se> <48DB5D39.3000609@nicubunu.ro> <55cf1980809250628j41ecb6d2we6e7fe48d167de9f@mail.gmail.com> <1222350121.15551.10.camel@pc-notebook> <939dd5750809251422v7ad33c22sa23f1fc56cfa058@mail.gmail.com> <1222380736.3308.25.camel@pc-notebook> Message-ID: <48DCF7C9.3060204@fedoraproject.org> Rex Dieter wrote: > Martin Sourada wrote: >> Echo *is* an upstream, even though it's done by Fedora artists and for >> Fedora. We are interested in creating the Echo icon set... > > Amen brother. Do what you love, love what you do... Nobody has the right to say 'stop working on it' and 'go work upstream.' However, people do have a right to say they prefer upstream in Fedora. ~m From camilo at mesias.co.uk Fri Sep 26 17:01:56 2008 From: camilo at mesias.co.uk (Camilo Mesias) Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2008 18:01:56 +0100 Subject: Secondary wordmark In-Reply-To: <48DC8CAE.7080905@nicubunu.ro> References: <1222357510.4386.27.camel@victoria-eth> <48DC8CAE.7080905@nicubunu.ro> Message-ID: How about "genus fedora" as a word mark? From martin.sourada at gmail.com Sat Sep 27 08:56:48 2008 From: martin.sourada at gmail.com (Martin Sourada) Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2008 10:56:48 +0200 Subject: [Echo] network-(dis)connect icon set Message-ID: <1222505808.3308.29.camel@pc-notebook> Hi, I've just finished the network-(dis)connect icon series, the metaphor is pretty much the same like in oxygen and gtk stock, although I've chosen different design (standard network cable + socket). 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Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 197 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From nisses.mail at home.se Sat Sep 27 10:14:31 2008 From: nisses.mail at home.se (Andreas Nilsson) Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2008 12:14:31 +0200 Subject: Echo vs the destkop In-Reply-To: <1222350121.15551.10.camel@pc-notebook> References: <20080923215326.GA25920@nostromo.devel.redhat.com> <939dd5750809231527n41562b06r4ec4e534720eae49@mail.gmail.com> <48D98C73.9080205@fedoraproject.org> <48DB3ED5.2000607@home.se> <48DB5D39.3000609@nicubunu.ro> <55cf1980809250628j41ecb6d2we6e7fe48d167de9f@mail.gmail.com> <1222350121.15551.10.camel@pc-notebook> Message-ID: <48DE0787.3070301@home.se> Martin Sourada wrote: > On Thu, 2008-09-25 at 15:28 +0200, Hylke Bons wrote: > >> I think what Andreas means is that when you install an application >> that is not in the default Fedora install, it's going to look out of >> place. >> All the most popular OSS packages now use the same icon style >> upstream, which is a major achievement, but instead Fedora chooses to >> do it all over again. >> > I guess you are wrong here - you are talking only about GTK/Gnome > applications, but Fedora equally supports QT/KDE applications, that use > totally different style (oxygen). And because we want full desktop > integration for both QT and GTK applications we are left with no other > choice that create our own icons style that will not clash very much > with either of them. The perspective choices were done by Diana when she > started the icon set some years ago and we're probably not going to > rethink them. > This sounds interesting and reminds me of a similar project (http://tango.freedesktop.org), but for Fedora only. However, I have a hard time seeing where the Echo style are a in-between style between GNOME and KDE. I don't think the differences between KDE style and GNOME style differs that much to begin really, if one compares the following screenshots: http://jakilinux.org/reviews/kde-4-rev-823000/kde4_823000_dolphin_oxygen.jpg http://library.gnome.org/misc/release-notes/2.24/figures/rnusers.nautilus.tabs.png.en_GB Same perspectives, similar outlines etc. Sightly different colors, KDE drops the outline at 48, GNOME at 128. The guidelines are not set it stone, and we're happy to change them where needed. - Andreas From nisses.mail at home.se Sat Sep 27 10:23:39 2008 From: nisses.mail at home.se (Andreas Nilsson) Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2008 12:23:39 +0200 Subject: Echo vs the destkop In-Reply-To: <1222380736.3308.25.camel@pc-notebook> References: <20080923215326.GA25920@nostromo.devel.redhat.com> <939dd5750809231527n41562b06r4ec4e534720eae49@mail.gmail.com> <48D98C73.9080205@fedoraproject.org> <48DB3ED5.2000607@home.se> <48DB5D39.3000609@nicubunu.ro> <55cf1980809250628j41ecb6d2we6e7fe48d167de9f@mail.gmail.com> <1222350121.15551.10.camel@pc-notebook> <939dd5750809251422v7ad33c22sa23f1fc56cfa058@mail.gmail.com> <1222380736.3308.25.camel@pc-notebook> Message-ID: <48DE09AB.2010906@home.se> Martin Sourada wrote: > On Thu, 2008-09-25 at 17:22 -0400, William Jon McCann wrote: > > In my opinion it's applications fault. The day icon themes were born to > the world, people should have accepted the fact and make it possible to > change every icon on desktop by looking them up in icon themes. It's not > only because the Echo icon theme, we can replace the upstream icons if > needed for Fedora, the biggest issue I see there is that it effectively > blocks creating themes designed specially for people with disabilities, > like HiContrast icon theme. > The theming functionality is mostly there already (with 2.24 all of evolution is themeable etc. please file bugs where it's not), but the contributions to HighContrast are few and far between. It would be cool to see more icon creation happening for those. >> We also fail to support the art communities upstream. Andreas has >> practically begged you to work with him upstream. We simply don't >> have enough good artists around to have turf wars over icon sets. I >> will join him in asking you to work upstream. >> Unless I pay people, I can only kindly ask them to help us. I think people should be free to work on what they enjoy best. Just wanted to make that clear. - Andreas From luya at fedoraproject.org Sat Sep 27 10:23:43 2008 From: luya at fedoraproject.org (Luya Tshimbalanga) Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2008 03:23:43 -0700 Subject: [Echo] network-(dis)connect icon set In-Reply-To: <1222506579.3308.32.camel@pc-notebook> References: <1222505808.3308.29.camel@pc-notebook> <1222506253.48ddf70d2df6c@ssl.mecca.ca> <1222506579.3308.32.camel@pc-notebook> Message-ID: <48DE09AF.4020907@fedoraproject.org> Martin Sourada a ?crit : > On Sat, 2008-09-27 at 05:04 -0400, Luya Tshimbalanga wrote: > >> Quoting Martin Sourada : >> >> >>> Hi, >>> >>> I've just finished the network-(dis)connect icon series, the metaphor is >>> pretty much the same like in oxygen and gtk stock, although I've chosen >>> different design (standard network cable + socket). >>> >>> Comments welcome, >>> Martin >>> I looked to Oxygen icon version and was wondering if there were a power plug with extension. This version is not bad but the 256x256 network-(dis)connect looks strange. For network-disconnect, could you fix the top from the cable? for disconnect, could you make the gold part deeper like salsa icons[1]? Another alternate is *ahem* Vista version of network-(dis)connect[2] through the implementation feels awkward. Luya Reference -------------- [1] //flickr.com/photos/oliviercharavel/2279933536/in/set-72157603828166803/ [2] http://shareme.com/images/large/Network_Icon_Library-6452.jpg -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Not for Fedora only, but for Fedora mainly ;-) > However, I have a hard time seeing where the Echo style are a in-between > style between GNOME and KDE. > Ours look more realistic than gnome, but less the oxygen icons. The perspective choices were done by Diana (based on community input) back when she started with the icon set (back than Fedora was still using Bluecurve), changing those would basically mean to start from the beginning, but I am not exactly opposed to that idea, but I'd rather started such a project parallel to our current Echo... > I don't think the differences between KDE style and GNOME style differs > that much to begin really, if one compares the following screenshots: > http://jakilinux.org/reviews/kde-4-rev-823000/kde4_823000_dolphin_oxygen.jpg > http://library.gnome.org/misc/release-notes/2.24/figures/rnusers.nautilus.tabs.png.en_GB > > Same perspectives, similar outlines etc. Sightly different colors, KDE > drops the outline at 48, GNOME at 128. Oxygen has a lot more lively/glossy colouring and less contrastive outlines for many icons than gnome. Echo tries to be somewhere in-between... > The guidelines are not set it stone, and we're happy to change them > where needed. > - Andreas > Same on Echo part. You can think of Echo as an alternative icon theme designed especially for Fedora with both KDE and GNOME in mind. Andreas, are there any areas we might help you other than designing icons (and filling bugs for unthemeable application icons, which we've already started doing with system-config-*)? Although we'd like to continue creating the Echo styled icons, we'd like to help gnome-icon-theme artist as well... Martin -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I guess, you are talking rather about the network-connect looking a bit strange around the socket? I'll try to improve that. > for disconnect, could you make the gold part deeper like salsa icons[1]? Will try. > Another alternate is *ahem* Vista version of network-(dis)connect[2] > through the implementation feels awkward. > A lot awkward. Their icons feel strange and blurry... Anyway, the most important sizes for this icon are AFAIK 22x22 and 16x16. > Luya > Martin -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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For network-disconnect, could you fix the top from the cable? >> for disconnect, could you make the gold part deeper like salsa icons[1]? >> > Does this one looks better? > > Much better. Only comment is the top of socket is sightly blurry on both 16x16 and 22x22. Could you also darken the wire on 16x16? Luya -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Burns From luca at foppiano.org Sun Sep 28 11:54:26 2008 From: luca at foppiano.org (Luca Foppiano) Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2008 13:54:26 +0200 Subject: a couple of ideas about fedora usb station In-Reply-To: <1222602476.3520.39.camel@sboing.byte-code.lan> References: <1222602476.3520.39.camel@sboing.byte-code.lan> Message-ID: <1222602866.3520.46.camel@sboing.byte-code.lan> On Sun, 2008-09-28 at 13:47 +0200, Luca Foppiano wrote: > I draw a couple of idea about fedora usb kit ...this email was sending by my hand without I finish to write it... :) http://omploader.org/vczVs http://omploader.org/vczVr if someone don't know what is fedora usb kit: https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-ambassadors-list/2008-July/msg00320.html Luca -- Today is Sweetmorn, the 52nd day of Bureaucracy in the YOLD 3174 The heart has its reasons which reason knows nothing of. -- Blaise Pascal From j.w.r.degoede at hhs.nl Sun Sep 28 11:48:37 2008 From: j.w.r.degoede at hhs.nl (Hans de Goede) Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2008 13:48:37 +0200 Subject: Game graphics needed - Project: Starfighter In-Reply-To: <67d66b7b0809221059n4bcc8081h65d5b1cd1035220d@mail.gmail.com> References: <48CFC2D0.2060102@nicubunu.ro> <67d66b7b0809160753j6f1b679er823bd9b921b74347@mail.gmail.com> <48CFCEF2.30701@nicubunu.ro> <67d66b7b0809161127g20c6027es13e00e1a943459a0@mail.gmail.com> <48D0E388.9010100@nicubunu.ro> <48D10D1A.2000502@hhs.nl> <67d66b7b0809221059n4bcc8081h65d5b1cd1035220d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <48DF6F15.6060206@hhs.nl> Erick Henrique wrote: > Hi Hans and Nicu > > See the 2 ships that I drew for the Starfighter game. Later sending the > other conceptual images and avatars. > > When to conclude the other ships I will generate one pixel art to see as > they are the sprites in the compiled game. > Hi Erick, Great that you are working on this! I've created a little utility to recreate the .pak file from an exploded tree. To compile it do: "gcc -o pack pack.c" and then do: cd starfighter-data /pack `find -type f -printf "%P\n"` And then one dir above starfighter-data you will find starfighter.pak About the images you've done so far, they are a bit big, starfighter is an old game designed to run at 640x480. So you will need to significantly downscale them. You can make things a little bit bigger then the originals if you want, as the engine will happily accept any sprite size, but the ones you've done now are just to big (the original is 25x14 pixels) Thanks & Regards, Hans -------------- next part -------------- An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: pack.c URL: From luca at foppiano.org Mon Sep 29 07:22:03 2008 From: luca at foppiano.org (Luca Foppiano) Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2008 09:22:03 +0200 Subject: a couple of ideas about fedora usb station In-Reply-To: <1222602866.3520.46.camel@sboing.byte-code.lan> References: <1222602476.3520.39.camel@sboing.byte-code.lan> <1222602866.3520.46.camel@sboing.byte-code.lan> Message-ID: <1222672923.3465.3.camel@sboing.byte-code.lan> On Sun, 2008-09-28 at 13:54 +0200, Luca Foppiano wrote: > On Sun, 2008-09-28 at 13:47 +0200, Luca Foppiano wrote: > > I draw a couple of idea about fedora usb kit > ...this email was sending by my hand without I finish to write it... :) > > http://omploader.org/vczVs > http://omploader.org/vczVr > > if someone don't know what is fedora usb kit: > > https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-ambassadors-list/2008-July/msg00320.html ...I forgot to ask you few question...what do you think? I want to explain the relationship between the "Fedora usb station" and "the fedora usb kit" :-) I think I have to make my icons more homogeneous but my problem is how increase the beauty of the group shape. Luca -- Today is Boomtime, the 53rd day of Bureaucracy in the YOLD 3174 I have never let my schooling interfere with my education. -- Mark Twain From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Mon Sep 29 07:26:37 2008 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2008 10:26:37 +0300 Subject: [Echo] network-(dis)connect icon set In-Reply-To: <1222515974.3308.54.camel@pc-notebook> References: <1222505808.3308.29.camel@pc-notebook> <1222506253.48ddf70d2df6c@ssl.mecca.ca> <1222506579.3308.32.camel@pc-notebook> <48DE09AF.4020907@fedoraproject.org> <1222515974.3308.54.camel@pc-notebook> Message-ID: <48E0832D.2010708@nicubunu.ro> Martin Sourada wrote: > On Sat, 2008-09-27 at 03:23 -0700, Luya Tshimbalanga wrote: >> I looked to Oxygen icon version and was wondering if there were a power >> plug with extension. >> This version is not bad but the 256x256 network-(dis)connect looks >> strange. For network-disconnect, could you fix the top from the cable? >> for disconnect, could you make the gold part deeper like salsa icons[1]? > Does this one looks better? Overall I like it, but I have a few observations: - at 22x22 and 16x16 I feel the icons are not distinctive enough. Sometime disconnection is perceived as an error, so maybe have something red in there? - *only* if you have time, as we don't really use that, maybe a slight 3D look for the wall socket in 256x256? - at the first look it was hard for me to understand the shadow, it was odd. Then I understood that only the cable has shadow, not also the wall socket. -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Mon Sep 29 07:51:45 2008 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2008 10:51:45 +0300 Subject: a couple of ideas about fedora usb station In-Reply-To: <1222672923.3465.3.camel@sboing.byte-code.lan> References: <1222602476.3520.39.camel@sboing.byte-code.lan> <1222602866.3520.46.camel@sboing.byte-code.lan> <1222672923.3465.3.camel@sboing.byte-code.lan> Message-ID: <48E08911.7040003@nicubunu.ro> Luca Foppiano wrote: >>> I draw a couple of idea about fedora usb kit >> ...this email was sending by my hand without I finish to write it... :) >> >> http://omploader.org/vczVs >> http://omploader.org/vczVr > > ...I forgot to ask you few question...what do you think? > > I want to explain the relationship between the "Fedora usb station" and > "the fedora usb kit" :-) > > I think I have to make my icons more homogeneous but my problem is how > increase the beauty of the group shape. What I don't like about the group shape is the color: it is on top of the icons and it change their color. Maybe put it under the icons? Also I am not sure the box is useful for the drawing, of course the stuff is put on a box and one may consider the pink group shape as a metaphor for the box, making the icon redundant. I know this may be some work, but how about a icon for the final result, Fedora USB station? That would be the computer icon with the poster on front of it and maybe a cable going from one to the other. -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From luya at fedoraproject.org Mon Sep 29 08:01:48 2008 From: luya at fedoraproject.org (Luya Tshimbalanga) Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2008 01:01:48 -0700 Subject: [Echo] New system-run icon set In-Reply-To: <1222336971.15551.2.camel@pc-notebook> References: <48DA1096.1040900@fedoraproject.org> <1222264733.3476.26.camel@pc-notebook> <48DA8719.4080309@fedoraproject.org> <1222285582.3344.6.camel@pc-notebook> <48DAAB66.2040706@fedoraproject.org> <1222333488.3344.10.camel@pc-notebook> <48DB5F43.50601@nicubunu.ro> <1222336971.15551.2.camel@pc-notebook> Message-ID: <48E08B6C.6030406@fedoraproject.org> Martin Sourada a ?crit : > >> So +1 from me >> >> There is still a minor observation: in the 256x256 version it looks like >> the small gear is not on the same plane with the other, like it is a bit >> backward, so maybe raise it a bit (overlap more the two gears). >> >> > Hm... 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[1] https://fedoraproject.org/w/uploads/3/34/F10-solar-plymouth1.swf From martin.sourada at gmail.com Mon Sep 29 10:37:42 2008 From: martin.sourada at gmail.com (Martin Sourada) Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2008 12:37:42 +0200 Subject: [Echo] New system-run icon set In-Reply-To: <48E08B6C.6030406@fedoraproject.org> References: <48DA1096.1040900@fedoraproject.org> <1222264733.3476.26.camel@pc-notebook> <48DA8719.4080309@fedoraproject.org> <1222285582.3344.6.camel@pc-notebook> <48DAAB66.2040706@fedoraproject.org> <1222333488.3344.10.camel@pc-notebook> <48DB5F43.50601@nicubunu.ro> <1222336971.15551.2.camel@pc-notebook> <48E08B6C.6030406@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <1222684662.3274.0.camel@pc-notebook> On Mon, 2008-09-29 at 01:01 -0700, Luya Tshimbalanga wrote: > Martin Sourada a ?crit : > > > > > So +1 from me > > > > > > There is still a minor observation: in the 256x256 version it looks like > > > the small gear is not on the same plane with the other, like it is a bit > > > backward, so maybe raise it a bit (overlap more the two gears). > > > > > > > > Hm... I didn't want the gears to touch, and being slightly apart, it > > creates the unwanted effect of not being on the same plane... > > > > > Tweaked both huge and large icons by sightly spacing both gears. There > were no much to do with > other sizes. Feedback welcome. > Looks good to me. No further comments. > Luya > Martin -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 197 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From martin.sourada at gmail.com Mon Sep 29 10:48:31 2008 From: martin.sourada at gmail.com (Martin Sourada) Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2008 12:48:31 +0200 Subject: [Echo] New image-missing icon set In-Reply-To: <48E0A43E.8000803@fedoraproject.org> References: <48E0A43E.8000803@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <1222685311.3274.10.camel@pc-notebook> On Mon, 2008-09-29 at 02:47 -0700, Luya Tshimbalanga wrote: > Looking into the old Echo icon theme, I found early image-missing[1]. I > replaced the blue background by red for better metaphor. Interesting > enough other theme like gnome, Tango and oxygen have different way to > interpret the same metaphor. Feedback welcome. > > Luya > Something's strange, not sure what though. Perhaps you could try to make the "X" read instead of the paper and use semitransparent/greyscale image below it on the paper to suggest that it's a (missing) image? Or perhaps try different metaphor? The gnome metaphor seems more suggestive to me than bluecurve (red X on a paper) or oxygen (red cancel sign on a paper). Also, since you are reworking first of the many icons containing the paper, it would be nice if you provided a template with only the paper on it, you can call it e.g. paper-template.svg or whatever. It would help in the future with finishing most of the mimetypes icons. We could add it to the guidelines. :-) Also the echo-new-icon script is set-up to look into ~/Templates for echo-one-canvas-template.svg first before using its own template - it really helps when creating bunch of icons all containing the same part, like envelope or paper ;-) I'll probably add a --template=PATH switch to some future version so that you can provide your own template without having to copy/rename it... > Reference: > [1] https://fedorahosted.org/echo-icon-theme/ticket/61 Martin -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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If you can supply a pixmap too then that > would be useful. > > [1] https://fedoraproject.org/w/uploads/3/34/F10-solar-plymouth1.swf > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list What about some thing that is orbiting the sun or a comet passing the sun shuttle flowing to or away from the sun? Just some ideas :) Best regards.. J?hann B. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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'Cause it's nice to change :D, and 'cause make it again usin' the brushes will take so much time more. > > Than I hope here we are, sorry for the misunderstandings we have had. > I hope to see your works soon. The XCF and half of the wallpapers look okay, but it looks like the other artworks need to be replaced. I think probably you might have been waiting for my okay to do that, so consider this an okay for the following source: http://fedoraproject.org/w/uploads/2/2c/Solar_2048x1536.xcf.bz2 Artwork that needs to be replaced: - The row of 2560x960 wallpapers are still using the old artwork - The row of 2048x1536 wallpapers are still using the old artwork - The syslinux splashes are still using the old artwork - What are labeled as grub splashes (they are actually syslinux splashes, grub is missing) are using the old artwork (I checked in the XCF) - The anaconda header and splash are using the old artwork - the release poster is using the old artwork and also appears to be using an unidentified brush ~m From sstorari at byte-code.com Mon Sep 29 14:58:34 2008 From: sstorari at byte-code.com (Samuele Storari) Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2008 16:58:34 +0200 (CEST) Subject: Solar final fixing In-Reply-To: <1905204556.18791222700040083.JavaMail.root@mail.byte-code.com> Message-ID: <135750651.18841222700314054.JavaMail.root@mail.byte-code.com> Hi Mairin I'm replaicing right now all the materials, I changed some little things on the Solar Login and on the User Icon was changed too. Side Bar and the Welcome splash was changed too, just a little. All the Dual Format wallpaper still waitin to be finished, and right now I'm doin' something for the Splash. This time the progress splash will have some modify just cause when I was re-doing the sun last week I don't draw all the side of the Sun so it can be not rendered a little transparent as the past version. If you have some other correction I'm here. cheers Samuele ----- Original Message ----- From: "M?ir?n Duffy" To: "Fedora Art List" Sent: Monday, 29 September, 2008 4:47:25 PM GMT +01:00 Amsterdam / Berlin / Bern / Rome / Stockholm / Vienna Subject: Re: Solar final fixing Hi Samuele, Samuele Storari wrote: > Hi M?ir?n > > About the sources (XCF) they was already online on the Solar page i've uploaded it yesterday, I forgot to say it, sorry :D > And about the Image i used in the background of my tutorial it was a part of solar created followin' the instruction I shown you in this other Tutorial: > > http://people.byte-code.com/sstorari/?p=21 > > I wanted to recreate a new effect so we can certificate the image now is totally cc, made by zero. > The problem with the past effect is that unfortunately I can't certificate the originality so for don't fall again I do it by new. > The past effect after the start tutorial here above where masked, scaled, rotated and merged in gimp, as the same for the vector. > Why I use Inkscape in the yesterday tutorial? 'Cause it's nice to change :D, and 'cause make it again usin' the brushes will take so much time more. > > Than I hope here we are, sorry for the misunderstandings we have had. > I hope to see your works soon. The XCF and half of the wallpapers look okay, but it looks like the other artworks need to be replaced. I think probably you might have been waiting for my okay to do that, so consider this an okay for the following source: http://fedoraproject.org/w/uploads/2/2c/Solar_2048x1536.xcf.bz2 Artwork that needs to be replaced: - The row of 2560x960 wallpapers are still using the old artwork - The row of 2048x1536 wallpapers are still using the old artwork - The syslinux splashes are still using the old artwork - What are labeled as grub splashes (they are actually syslinux splashes, grub is missing) are using the old artwork (I checked in the XCF) - The anaconda header and splash are using the old artwork - the release poster is using the old artwork and also appears to be using an unidentified brush ~m _______________________________________________ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list at redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list -- Samuele Storari Art Director Byte-Code srl mobile: +39 347 50 798 32 office: +39 02 9840047 http://www.byte-code.com From duffy at fedoraproject.org Mon Sep 29 15:11:41 2008 From: duffy at fedoraproject.org (=?UTF-8?B?TcOhaXLDrW4gRHVmZnk=?=) Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2008 11:11:41 -0400 Subject: Solar final fixing In-Reply-To: <135750651.18841222700314054.JavaMail.root@mail.byte-code.com> References: <135750651.18841222700314054.JavaMail.root@mail.byte-code.com> Message-ID: <48E0F02D.20502@fedoraproject.org> Hi Samuele, Samuele Storari wrote: > Hi Mairin > > I'm replaicing right now all the materials, > I changed some little things on the Solar Login and on the User Icon was changed too. > Side Bar and the Welcome splash was changed too, just a little. > All the Dual Format wallpaper still waitin to be finished, and right now I'm doin' something for the Splash. This time the progress splash will have some modify just cause when I was re-doing the sun last week I don't draw all the side of the Sun so it can be not rendered a little transparent as the past version. > If you have some other correction I'm here. Right now I'm working with the wallpaper XCF, cleaning up the layers so I can make a grub splash. The stars I think are a little messy/unrealistic so I'm creating some hopefully better ones. ~m From sstorari at byte-code.com Mon Sep 29 15:16:09 2008 From: sstorari at byte-code.com (Samuele Storari) Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2008 17:16:09 +0200 (CEST) Subject: Solar final fixing In-Reply-To: <48E0F02D.20502@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <285806913.19011222701369944.JavaMail.root@mail.byte-code.com> So if you will do something for the GRUB SPLASH I will dedicat my time to the Solar Poster? Ok? Samuele ----- Original Message ----- From: "M?ir?n Duffy" To: "Fedora Art List" Sent: Monday, 29 September, 2008 5:11:41 PM GMT +01:00 Amsterdam / Berlin / Bern / Rome / Stockholm / Vienna Subject: Re: Solar final fixing Hi Samuele, Samuele Storari wrote: > Hi Mairin > > I'm replaicing right now all the materials, > I changed some little things on the Solar Login and on the User Icon was changed too. > Side Bar and the Welcome splash was changed too, just a little. > All the Dual Format wallpaper still waitin to be finished, and right now I'm doin' something for the Splash. This time the progress splash will have some modify just cause when I was re-doing the sun last week I don't draw all the side of the Sun so it can be not rendered a little transparent as the past version. > If you have some other correction I'm here. Right now I'm working with the wallpaper XCF, cleaning up the layers so I can make a grub splash. The stars I think are a little messy/unrealistic so I'm creating some hopefully better ones. ~m _______________________________________________ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list at redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list -- Samuele Storari Art Director Byte-Code srl mobile: +39 347 50 798 32 office: +39 02 9840047 http://www.byte-code.com From duffy at fedoraproject.org Mon Sep 29 15:43:52 2008 From: duffy at fedoraproject.org (=?UTF-8?B?TcOhaXLDrW4gRHVmZnk=?=) Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2008 11:43:52 -0400 Subject: Solar final fixing In-Reply-To: <285806913.19011222701369944.JavaMail.root@mail.byte-code.com> References: <285806913.19011222701369944.JavaMail.root@mail.byte-code.com> Message-ID: <48E0F7B8.10303@fedoraproject.org> Samuele Storari wrote: > So if you will do something for the GRUB SPLASH I will dedicat my time to the Solar Poster? > Ok? Sounds good but you may want to consult with the marketing list on the actual content. ~m From sstorari at byte-code.com Mon Sep 29 15:50:31 2008 From: sstorari at byte-code.com (Samuele Storari) Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2008 17:50:31 +0200 (CEST) Subject: Solar final fixing In-Reply-To: <48E0F7B8.10303@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <1413160876.19151222703431329.JavaMail.root@mail.byte-code.com> Ok, I will thanks for support. Samuele ----- Original Message ----- From: "M?ir?n Duffy" To: "Fedora Art List" Sent: Monday, 29 September, 2008 5:43:52 PM GMT +01:00 Amsterdam / Berlin / Bern / Rome / Stockholm / Vienna Subject: Re: Solar final fixing Samuele Storari wrote: > So if you will do something for the GRUB SPLASH I will dedicat my time to the Solar Poster? > Ok? Sounds good but you may want to consult with the marketing list on the actual content. ~m _______________________________________________ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list at redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list -- Samuele Storari Art Director Byte-Code srl mobile: +39 347 50 798 32 office: +39 02 9840047 http://www.byte-code.com From luya at fedoraproject.org Mon Sep 29 17:49:54 2008 From: luya at fedoraproject.org (Luya Tshimbalanga) Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2008 10:49:54 -0700 Subject: [Echo] New image-missing icon set In-Reply-To: <1222685311.3274.10.camel@pc-notebook> References: <48E0A43E.8000803@fedoraproject.org> <1222685311.3274.10.camel@pc-notebook> Message-ID: <48E11542.3090000@fedoraproject.org> Martin Sourada a ?crit : > > Something's strange, not sure what though. Perhaps you could try to make > the "X" read instead of the paper and use semitransparent/greyscale > image below it on the paper to suggest that it's a (missing) image? Or > perhaps try different metaphor? The gnome metaphor seems more suggestive > to me than bluecurve (red X on a paper) or oxygen (red cancel sign on a > paper). > I will make gnome version for comparison. > Also, since you are reworking first of the many icons containing the > paper, it would be nice if you provided a template with only the paper > on it, you can call it e.g. paper-template.svg or whatever. It would > help in the future with finishing most of the mimetypes icons. We could > add it to the guidelines. :-) > Good idea. Now that you mention it, once we complete 0.4, I will create template for emote as well. > Also the echo-new-icon script is set-up to look into ~/Templates for > echo-one-canvas-template.svg first before using its own template - it > really helps when creating bunch of icons all containing the same part, > like envelope or paper ;-) I'll probably add a --template=PATH switch to > some future version so that you can provide your own template without > having to copy/rename it... > > Ah, I did not known that one. Does script support the xdg path i.e., in my case, "Template" folder is translated into "Mod?le"? Luya -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I think it's a good idea to provide as many templates as can be helpful - i.e. the paper sheet, perhaps the mail envelope (though all the mail icons are done now...), templates with some more used emblems in icons like an arrow (used in application-exit, mail-reply, ...), plus sing, star sign (I am working on these) - it would greatly help with the design and consistency... > > Also the echo-new-icon script is set-up to look into ~/Templates for > > echo-one-canvas-template.svg first before using its own template - it > > really helps when creating bunch of icons all containing the same part, > > like envelope or paper ;-) I'll probably add a --template=PATH switch to > > some future version so that you can provide your own template without > > having to copy/rename it... > > > > > > Ah, I did not known that one. Does script support the xdg path i.e., > in my case, "Template" folder is translated into "Mod?le"? > Alas not yet, but I hope to implement it in the future (I am not sure yet how to do it correctly). Currently it looks only for ~/Templates/echo-one-canvas-template.svg and /usr/share/echo-artist/echo-one-canvas-template.svg in that order. > Luya Martin -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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This time the progress splash >> will have some modify just cause when I was re-doing the sun last week >> I don't draw all the side of the Sun so it can be not rendered a >> little transparent as the past version. >> If you have some other correction I'm here. > > Right now I'm working with the wallpaper XCF, cleaning up the layers so > I can make a grub splash. All the wallpapers are now the new version and I uploaded the cleaned-up XCF sources. Moving on to grub now. ~m From luca at foppiano.org Mon Sep 29 20:00:21 2008 From: luca at foppiano.org (Luca Foppiano) Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2008 22:00:21 +0200 Subject: a couple of ideas about fedora usb station In-Reply-To: <48E08911.7040003@nicubunu.ro> References: <1222602476.3520.39.camel@sboing.byte-code.lan> <1222602866.3520.46.camel@sboing.byte-code.lan> <1222672923.3465.3.camel@sboing.byte-code.lan> <48E08911.7040003@nicubunu.ro> Message-ID: <1222718421.3547.7.camel@sboing.byte-code.lan> On Mon, 2008-09-29 at 10:51 +0300, Nicu Buculei wrote: > What I don't like about the group shape is the color: it is on top of > the icons and it change their color. Maybe put it under the icons? > > Also I am not sure the box is useful for the drawing, of course the > stuff is put on a box and one may consider the pink group shape as a > metaphor for the box, making the icon redundant. uhm, you are right... > > I know this may be some work, but how about a icon for the final > result, > Fedora USB station? That would be the computer icon with the poster > on > front of it and maybe a cable going from one to the other. this is a draft of it... I didn't find any decent usb cable photo... I think I have to improve the DVD. http://omploader.org/vc2Fl Luca -- Today is Boomtime, the 53rd day of Bureaucracy in the YOLD 3174 There's no such thing as pure pleasure; some anxiety always goes with it. From duffy at fedoraproject.org Mon Sep 29 22:01:26 2008 From: duffy at fedoraproject.org (=?UTF-8?B?TcOhaXLDrW4gRHVmZnk=?=) Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2008 18:01:26 -0400 Subject: Solar final fixing In-Reply-To: <1413160876.19151222703431329.JavaMail.root@mail.byte-code.com> References: <1413160876.19151222703431329.JavaMail.root@mail.byte-code.com> Message-ID: <48E15036.7090608@fedoraproject.org> Samuele Storari wrote: > Ok, I will thanks for support. Hey I got GRUB up: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/F10Themes/Solar#GRUB It seems to work really well with 16-color. I think we should use the same image (cropped to 300px tall) for the low color syslinux as well. And keep the hicolor syslinux one. ~m From mairin at linuxgrrl.com Tue Sep 30 04:33:40 2008 From: mairin at linuxgrrl.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?M=E1ir=EDn_Duffy?=) Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2008 00:33:40 -0400 Subject: Another Solar Update & remaining F10 release tasks (volunteers needed!) Message-ID: <48E1AC24.6090106@linuxgrrl.com> Hi team, I spent about 12 hours today going through most of the Solar artwork and updating it to use the new, cleaned XCF source. I also created some additional wallpaper artwork so we can support dual 1600x1200 monitors as well as a larger 5:4 ratio resolution. The only artwork left to be modified is: - the KDE Login screen. I don't know much about KDE login theming; Samuele you may need to update the artwork in your mockup - I think Stalwart was going to write the theme based on that artwork. (Any status updates on the KDE login theme?) - the release poster - I think this still needs modification and also as mentioned earlier on the list, I think the content should be vetted by the marketing team. It would be good if it had a space for people to write out time / date / location for release parties. Low-priority at this point though, it's really the last task to get done before release day. Now that we have a solid set of clean artwork to work with, we have the following items outstanding: = WEB BANNERS = - countdown banner (200x100px) (this is the banner that counts down the days until the release date. Some examples [1,2]) we need a volunteer! - final release small banner (200x100px) (Ian, can you adjust the beta banner [3] so we can use it for this as well?) - final release full-size banner (600x200px) we need a volunteer! An example is [4] = DISC / MEDIA ART = - we should probably go with the simple design for the disc itself as we did for Fedora 9. I'll take on the task of updating the artwork so it says Fedora 10 instead of 9. - we need a sleeve design for Fedora 10. The disc will come in a cardboard sleeve. Any takers? (Ryan, yours came out great for Fedora 9, *hint hint* *wink wink*) = EXTRAS = I don't think these are 100% necessary, but if you'd like to take a stab at them please feel free: - screensaver lock dialog - gnome splash - kde splash I think that's about it. If there's any extras you'd like to take on let us know! Almost all done, phew! ~m [1] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Image:Artwork_PromoBanners_fedora9-countdown-banner.png [2] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Image:Artwork_PromoBanners_fedora8-countdown-banner.png [3] http://fedoraproject.org/w/uploads/4/41/Fedora-10-beta-release-graphic.png [4] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Image:Artwork_PromoBanners_fedora9_0day_banner.png From ianweller at gmail.com Tue Sep 30 04:41:45 2008 From: ianweller at gmail.com (Ian Weller) Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2008 23:41:45 -0500 Subject: Another Solar Update & remaining F10 release tasks (volunteers needed!) In-Reply-To: <48E1AC24.6090106@linuxgrrl.com> References: <48E1AC24.6090106@linuxgrrl.com> Message-ID: <20080930044145.GA4073@gmail.com> On Tue, Sep 30, 2008 at 12:33:40AM -0400, =?ISO-8859-1?Q?M=E1ir=EDn_Duffy_ wrote: > - final release small banner (200x100px) (Ian, can you adjust the beta > banner [3] so we can use it for this as well?) Yes. Remind me tomorrow if you can :D -- Ian Weller http://ianweller.org GnuPG fingerprint: E51E 0517 7A92 70A2 4226 B050 87ED 7C97 EFA8 4A36 "Technology is a word that describes something that doesn't work yet." ~ Douglas Adams -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 197 bytes Desc: not available URL: From ianweller at gmail.com Tue Sep 30 04:57:33 2008 From: ianweller at gmail.com (Ian Weller) Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2008 23:57:33 -0500 Subject: Another Solar Update & remaining F10 release tasks (volunteers needed!) In-Reply-To: <48E1AC24.6090106@linuxgrrl.com> References: <48E1AC24.6090106@linuxgrrl.com> Message-ID: <20080930045733.GA8517@gmail.com> On Tue, Sep 30, 2008 at 12:33:40AM -0400, =?ISO-8859-1?Q?M=E1ir=EDn_Duffy_ wrote: > - countdown banner (200x100px) (this is the banner that counts down the > days until the release date. Some examples [1,2]) we need a volunteer! I guess I'll do this one too. Will most likely be based off of beta/release one. -- Ian Weller http://ianweller.org GnuPG fingerprint: E51E 0517 7A92 70A2 4226 B050 87ED 7C97 EFA8 4A36 "Technology is a word that describes something that doesn't work yet." ~ Douglas Adams -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Note that is a good idea to have it a bit ahead of the date we start counting down (the last release we started counting roughly a month before the release) to leave some time for translators to do their job. -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From martin.sourada at gmail.com Tue Sep 30 08:00:33 2008 From: martin.sourada at gmail.com (Martin Sourada) Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2008 10:00:33 +0200 Subject: Another Solar Update & remaining F10 release tasks (volunteers needed!) In-Reply-To: <48E1AC24.6090106@linuxgrrl.com> References: <48E1AC24.6090106@linuxgrrl.com> Message-ID: <1222761633.3140.1.camel@pc-notebook> On Tue, 2008-09-30 at 00:33 -0400, M?ir?n Duffy wrote: > Hi team, > > I spent about 12 hours today going through most of the Solar artwork and > updating it to use the new, cleaned XCF source. I also created some > additional wallpaper artwork so we can support dual 1600x1200 monitors > as well as a larger 5:4 ratio resolution. > Great work! I noticed that the 5:4 sun-rise one is different from the other three at that ratio (the sun is bigger). I don't suppose that is intentional? Martin -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 197 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From stlwrt at gmail.com Tue Sep 30 10:01:16 2008 From: stlwrt at gmail.com (Pavel Shevchuk) Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2008 13:01:16 +0300 Subject: Another Solar Update & remaining F10 release tasks (volunteers needed!) In-Reply-To: <48E1AC24.6090106@linuxgrrl.com> References: <48E1AC24.6090106@linuxgrrl.com> Message-ID: On Tue, Sep 30, 2008 at 7:33 AM, M?ir?n Duffy wrote: > - the KDE Login screen. I don't know much about KDE login theming; Samuele > you may need to update the artwork in your mockup - I think Stalwart was > going to write the theme based on that artwork. (Any status updates on the > KDE login theme?) One of KDE SIG members is already working on KDM theme. KSplash mockup would be nice -- http://scwlab.com From duffy at fedoraproject.org Tue Sep 30 13:39:30 2008 From: duffy at fedoraproject.org (=?UTF-8?B?TcOhaXLDrW4gRHVmZnk=?=) Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2008 09:39:30 -0400 Subject: Another Solar Update & remaining F10 release tasks (volunteers needed!) In-Reply-To: <1222761633.3140.1.camel@pc-notebook> References: <48E1AC24.6090106@linuxgrrl.com> <1222761633.3140.1.camel@pc-notebook> Message-ID: <48E22C12.3010002@fedoraproject.org> Martin Sourada wrote: > On Tue, 2008-09-30 at 00:33 -0400, M?ir?n Duffy wrote: >> Hi team, >> >> I spent about 12 hours today going through most of the Solar artwork and >> updating it to use the new, cleaned XCF source. I also created some >> additional wallpaper artwork so we can support dual 1600x1200 monitors >> as well as a larger 5:4 ratio resolution. >> > Great work! I noticed that the 5:4 sun-rise one is different from the > other three at that ratio (the sun is bigger). I don't suppose that is > intentional? Hey Martin, great catch. It looks like I uploaded the wrong one there. If you shift-reload it should be fixed now! thanks, ~m From kushaldas at gmail.com Tue Sep 30 14:24:41 2008 From: kushaldas at gmail.com (Kushal Das) Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2008 19:54:41 +0530 Subject: Another Solar Update & remaining F10 release tasks (volunteers needed!) In-Reply-To: <48E1AC24.6090106@linuxgrrl.com> References: <48E1AC24.6090106@linuxgrrl.com> Message-ID: On Tue, Sep 30, 2008 at 10:03 AM, M?ir?n Duffy wrote: > Hi team, > > I spent about 12 hours today going through most of the Solar artwork and > updating it to use the new, cleaned XCF source. I also created some > additional wallpaper artwork so we can support dual 1600x1200 monitors as > well as a larger 5:4 ratio resolution. > > The only artwork left to be modified is: > > - the KDE Login screen. I don't know much about KDE login theming; Samuele > you may need to update the artwork in your mockup - I think Stalwart was > going to write the theme based on that artwork. (Any status updates on the > KDE login theme?) The final version full source is still pointing to the old file http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Image:Solar_gimp_1900x1200.xcf.bz2 \ Kushal -- http://fedoraproject.org http://kushaldas.in http://badvista.org http://noooxml.org From jayme at jaymeayres.com Tue Sep 30 14:42:44 2008 From: jayme at jaymeayres.com (Jayme Ayres) Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2008 11:42:44 -0300 Subject: Happy 5th Birthday banner In-Reply-To: <5bddd8fd0809240210k658572a8vc1a4e25282ad62a2@mail.gmail.com> References: <1221823438.16213.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> <48D39344.6070604@nicubunu.ro> <48D3A96A.9060304@nicubunu.ro> <48D3C0BD.4000504@fedoraproject.org> <5bddd8fd0809240210k658572a8vc1a4e25282ad62a2@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <64b33fc70809300742i26496a4u553d04ce73d56fc4@mail.gmail.com> I translate happy birthday Fedora banner in portuguese in two sizes with a little modification =) http://jaymeayres.fedorapeople.org/5years-banner-large_pt-br.png http://jaymeayres.fedorapeople.org/5years-banner-small_pt-br.png Sources: http://jaymeayres.fedorapeople.org/5years-banner-large_pt-br.svg http://jaymeayres.fedorapeople.org/5years-banner-small_pt-br.svg Regards Jayme Ayres 2008/9/24 nihed mbarek > Hi, > I translate happy birthday in arabic > > 2008/9/19 M?ir?n Duffy > >> Nicu Buculei wrote: >> >>> Nicu Buculei wrote: >>> >>>> Paul W. Frields wrote: >>>> >>>>> >>>>> Would anyone be interested in creating a "Happy 5th Birthday Fedora" >>>>> banner for our web front page? The Fedora Project was born -- at least >>>>> by domain records -- on September 24, 2003. I thought that celebrating >>>>> this would be fun. Here's what I was thinking: >>>>> >>>> >>>> How about this banner? >>>> >>> >>> After receiving some positive feed-back on it, I transformed the banner >>> in a few standard-sized buttons for web pages. >>> >>> However, I think the design is too simple to also work for the big >>> banner, so for that one we may try something different (maybe re-using some >>> parts, like the cake? maybe something completely original?) >>> >> >> How about this try at a larger-size one? >> >> ~m >> >> -- >> Fedora-websites-list mailing list >> Fedora-websites-list at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-websites-list >> >> > > > -- > M'BAREK Med Nihed, > http://www.nihed.com > Fedora Ambassador, TUNISIA, Northern Africa > Association for Computing Machinery Member > PUB 1024D/FCC5B291 2006-02-28 [expires: 2008-12-27] > FPR 16A4 AC3F 0B84 B3D1 A0E5 9BCC AD13 0DAE FCC5 B291 > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list > > -- Jayme Ayres www.jaymeayres.com www.projetofedora.org http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/JaymeAyres -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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In-Reply-To: <4339390.691781222786238808.JavaMail.root@zmail02.collab.prod.int.phx2.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1879437087.21271222786512672.JavaMail.root@mail.byte-code.com> I'm here if u need me :D Samuele ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jaroslav Reznik" To: "Fedora Art List" Sent: Tuesday, 30 September, 2008 4:50:38 PM GMT +01:00 Amsterdam / Berlin / Bern / Rome / Stockholm / Vienna Subject: Re: Another Solar Update & remaining F10 release tasks (volunteers needed!) ----- "M?ir?n Duffy" wrote: > > - screensaver lock dialog > - gnome splash > - kde splash I'm taking KDE splash but I'd like to cooperate with gnome-splash and of course with Samuel. Now when we are going towards seamless boot would be nice to have 'seamless' art during boot. R. _______________________________________________ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list at redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list -- Samuele Storari Art Director Byte-Code srl mobile: +39 347 50 798 32 office: +39 02 9840047 http://www.byte-code.com From duffy at fedoraproject.org Tue Sep 30 14:55:28 2008 From: duffy at fedoraproject.org (=?UTF-8?B?TcOhaXLDrW4gRHVmZnk=?=) Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2008 10:55:28 -0400 Subject: Another Solar Update & remaining F10 release tasks (volunteers needed!) In-Reply-To: <4339390.691781222786238808.JavaMail.root@zmail02.collab.prod.int.phx2.redhat.com> References: <4339390.691781222786238808.JavaMail.root@zmail02.collab.prod.int.phx2.redhat.com> Message-ID: <48E23DE0.9070404@fedoraproject.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Jaroslav Reznik wrote: > ----- "M?ir?n Duffy" wrote: >> - screensaver lock dialog >> - gnome splash >> - kde splash > > I'm taking KDE splash but I'd like to cooperate with gnome-splash > and of course with Samuel. Now when we are going towards seamless > boot would be nice to have 'seamless' art during boot. So we don't show the GNOME splash in Fedora by default, which is why I don't consider it high-priority. I don't know what the case is for KDE though. Is the KDE splash always shown or shown by default? What do you mean by seamless boot / seamless art? Do you mean plymouth? ~m -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEUEARECAAYFAkjiPeAACgkQiEa2m2XgTuKDpACSAqJLI/Cr1/uyg2wXGfdNwAh4 hgCg7wE90a27QLKIsfZFJrtQXD5HHjc= =pFrl -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Tue Sep 30 15:01:37 2008 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2008 18:01:37 +0300 Subject: Another Solar Update & remaining F10 release tasks (volunteers needed!) In-Reply-To: <4339390.691781222786238808.JavaMail.root@zmail02.collab.prod.int.phx2.redhat.com> References: <4339390.691781222786238808.JavaMail.root@zmail02.collab.prod.int.phx2.redhat.com> Message-ID: <48E23F51.8020704@nicubunu.ro> Jaroslav Reznik wrote: > > I'm taking KDE splash but I'd like to cooperate with gnome-splash > and of course with Samuel. Now when we are going towards seamless > boot would be nice to have 'seamless' art during boot. Not being used by default, the GNOME splash is *not* a priority, nobody announced he's working on it so far (and some of us even consider it useless, GNOME is faster enough to start and does not need it), so go forward with the KDE one without waiting. It would be easy for the GNOME splash to be based on your work, as it is just a bitmap. -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Tue Sep 30 15:07:34 2008 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2008 18:07:34 +0300 Subject: Happy 5th Birthday banner In-Reply-To: <64b33fc70809300742i26496a4u553d04ce73d56fc4@mail.gmail.com> References: <1221823438.16213.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> <48D39344.6070604@nicubunu.ro> <48D3A96A.9060304@nicubunu.ro> <48D3C0BD.4000504@fedoraproject.org> <5bddd8fd0809240210k658572a8vc1a4e25282ad62a2@mail.gmail.com> <64b33fc70809300742i26496a4u553d04ce73d56fc4@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <48E240B6.6080008@nicubunu.ro> Jayme Ayres wrote: > I translate happy birthday Fedora banner in portuguese in two sizes with > a little modification =) Too bad that now is too late for the other translations to benefit from your modification... -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Tue Sep 30 15:27:07 2008 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2008 18:27:07 +0300 Subject: Another Solar Update & remaining F10 release tasks (volunteers needed!) In-Reply-To: <48E23DE0.9070404@fedoraproject.org> References: <4339390.691781222786238808.JavaMail.root@zmail02.collab.prod.int.phx2.redhat.com> <48E23DE0.9070404@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <48E2454B.5030406@nicubunu.ro> M?ir?n Duffy wrote: > Jaroslav Reznik wrote: >> I'm taking KDE splash but I'd like to cooperate with gnome-splash >> and of course with Samuel. Now when we are going towards seamless >> boot would be nice to have 'seamless' art during boot. > > What do you mean by seamless boot / seamless art? Do you mean plymouth? Seamless is supposed to be the transition from GDM to the GNOME desktop, yet another reason to remove the GNOME splash... but I also don't know about KDE. Seamless *boot* would be if also Plymouth would use the same background image as GDM and the Desktop (with a progress animation), which I understand is *not* the case. And also seamless boot would be if we would use GRUB2 with the same background image as Plymouth/GDM/Desktop, which is also not the case (but we have the bits to make it possible). Ah, I forgot: also the screen not flickering when transitioning from one of those steps to another. -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From jreznik at redhat.com Tue Sep 30 15:35:05 2008 From: jreznik at redhat.com (Jaroslav Reznik) Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2008 11:35:05 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Another Solar Update & remaining F10 release tasks (volunteers needed!) In-Reply-To: <2121262729.705271222788367817.JavaMail.root@zmail02.collab.prod.int.phx2.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1255830698.708571222788905404.JavaMail.root@zmail02.collab.prod.int.phx2.redhat.com> ----- "M?ir?n Duffy" wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Jaroslav Reznik wrote: > > ----- "M?ir?n Duffy" wrote: > >> - screensaver lock dialog > >> - gnome splash > >> - kde splash > > > > I'm taking KDE splash but I'd like to cooperate with gnome-splash > > and of course with Samuel. Now when we are going towards seamless > > boot would be nice to have 'seamless' art during boot. > > So we don't show the GNOME splash in Fedora by default, which is why > I > don't consider it high-priority. I don't know what the case is for > KDE > though. Is the KDE splash always shown or shown by default? Oh, there is no Gnome splash :) I'm not using Gnome, so I didn't know it. The KDE splash is always shown by default. It takes some time to start KDE especially first one. > > What do you mean by seamless boot / seamless art? Do you mean > plymouth? That's new Fedora 10 feature - start without switching graphics modes, flickering, black screen during boot. Plymouth is another part. So now we can have consistent look from very first time of boot to desktop. R. > > ~m > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) > Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org > > iEUEARECAAYFAkjiPeAACgkQiEa2m2XgTuKDpACSAqJLI/Cr1/uyg2wXGfdNwAh4 > hgCg7wE90a27QLKIsfZFJrtQXD5HHjc= > =pFrl > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list From jayme at jaymeayres.com Tue Sep 30 15:36:28 2008 From: jayme at jaymeayres.com (Jayme Ayres) Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2008 12:36:28 -0300 Subject: Happy 5th Birthday banner In-Reply-To: <48E240B6.6080008@nicubunu.ro> References: <1221823438.16213.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> <48D39344.6070604@nicubunu.ro> <48D3A96A.9060304@nicubunu.ro> <48D3C0BD.4000504@fedoraproject.org> <5bddd8fd0809240210k658572a8vc1a4e25282ad62a2@mail.gmail.com> <64b33fc70809300742i26496a4u553d04ce73d56fc4@mail.gmail.com> <48E240B6.6080008@nicubunu.ro> Message-ID: <64b33fc70809300836x3bf1e5f7g2b463d272e3c14ee@mail.gmail.com> I think that changing only the year is still valid for the rest of the year 2008. Ex 2003-2008 What do you think? Jayme Ayres 2008/9/30 Nicu Buculei > Jayme Ayres wrote: > >> I translate happy birthday Fedora banner in portuguese in two sizes with a >> little modification =) >> > > Too bad that now is too late for the other translations to benefit from > your modification... > > -- > nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com > Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ > Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org > my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list > -- Jayme Ayres www.jaymeayres.com www.projetofedora.org http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/JaymeAyres -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Tue Sep 30 15:38:28 2008 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2008 18:38:28 +0300 Subject: Another Solar Update & remaining F10 release tasks (volunteers needed!) In-Reply-To: <1255830698.708571222788905404.JavaMail.root@zmail02.collab.prod.int.phx2.redhat.com> References: <1255830698.708571222788905404.JavaMail.root@zmail02.collab.prod.int.phx2.redhat.com> Message-ID: <48E247F4.5080609@nicubunu.ro> Jaroslav Reznik wrote: > > That's new Fedora 10 feature - start without switching graphics modes, > flickering, black screen during boot. Plymouth is another part. So And I think it will work only on select AMD graphic cards. > now we can have consistent look from very first time of boot to > desktop. I think we have at last one mode change, from GRUB to Plymouth (that is, on supported cards). -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From duffy at fedoraproject.org Tue Sep 30 15:39:07 2008 From: duffy at fedoraproject.org (=?UTF-8?B?TcOhaXLDrW4gRHVmZnk=?=) Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2008 11:39:07 -0400 Subject: Another Solar Update & remaining F10 release tasks (volunteers needed!) In-Reply-To: <1255830698.708571222788905404.JavaMail.root@zmail02.collab.prod.int.phx2.redhat.com> References: <1255830698.708571222788905404.JavaMail.root@zmail02.collab.prod.int.phx2.redhat.com> Message-ID: <48E2481B.1000907@fedoraproject.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Jaroslav Reznik wrote: > ----- "M?ir?n Duffy" wrote: > > Jaroslav Reznik wrote: >>>> ----- "M?ir?n Duffy" wrote: >>>>> - screensaver lock dialog >>>>> - gnome splash >>>>> - kde splash >>>> I'm taking KDE splash but I'd like to cooperate with gnome-splash >>>> and of course with Samuel. Now when we are going towards seamless >>>> boot would be nice to have 'seamless' art during boot. > What do you mean by seamless boot / seamless art? Do you mean > plymouth? > >> That's new Fedora 10 feature - start without switching graphics modes, >> flickering, black screen during boot. Plymouth is another part. So >> now we can have consistent look from very first time of boot to >> desktop. Does KDE interact with plymouth the way it does with GNOME? ~m -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkjiSBoACgkQiEa2m2XgTuI/pgCgqFjRGrOMWWLt7vKKwtg+RJmL dhUAn1qNxe4R+fBarJ3tmo2ZBPWIoEjR =CMMo -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From jreznik at redhat.com Tue Sep 30 16:25:38 2008 From: jreznik at redhat.com (Jaroslav Reznik) Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2008 12:25:38 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Another Solar Update & remaining F10 release tasks (volunteers needed!) In-Reply-To: <1705286399.724401222791875047.JavaMail.root@zmail02.collab.prod.int.phx2.redhat.com> Message-ID: <918810512.724621222791938576.JavaMail.root@zmail02.collab.prod.int.phx2.redhat.com> ----- "Samuele Storari" wrote: > I'm here if u need me :D Thanks :) Can you help me with mockup for splash screen for KDE? I like that Plymouth mockup but I'm afraid there is no time to implement it for KSplash. So now KDE splash is just banner like that one in your Anaconda mockup. But still I'd like to implement something more interesting - cool :D There are specs somewhere on Wiki for KSplash theme but I'm not able to find it now... > Samuele R. From gmureddu at prodigy.net.mx Tue Sep 30 17:26:45 2008 From: gmureddu at prodigy.net.mx (Gian Paolo Mureddu) Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2008 12:26:45 -0500 Subject: Another Solar Update & remaining F10 release tasks (volunteers needed!) In-Reply-To: <48E247F4.5080609@nicubunu.ro> References: <1255830698.708571222788905404.JavaMail.root@zmail02.collab.prod.int.phx2.redhat.com> <48E247F4.5080609@nicubunu.ro> Message-ID: <48E26155.6080107@prodigy.net.mx> Nicu Buculei escribi?: > > And I think it will work only on select AMD graphic cards. I think it is actually AMD and Intel graphics cards which support this (AFAIK mode setting was recently added to the ati driver, and it has been present for a longer time (since F9) on the Intel driver. Support is driver dependent rather than "hardware" dependent, but yeah, only a couple drivers currently support it. > >> now we can have consistent look from very first time of boot to desktop. > > I think we have at last one mode change, from GRUB to Plymouth (that > is, on supported cards). The way I understand this, is that there actually is a change from text (in end Grub uses the same graphics capabilities as the BIOS) to the kernel mode setting when the kernel loads (and before the rest of the services start), currently in any Fedora release you can somewhat see this "transition" if you set a VGA accelerated mode as a command line argument (such as vga=791 in F1 - F8 or vga=823 in F9, which causes the kernel to use a framebuffer of 1024x768 in size at 16-bit color depth), there is a brief print-out of the GRUB arguments for the selected while the kernel loads before you are presented with the graphics (the penguin(s) at the top-left corner) and smoother letters, bigger size, etc. I'm not all that familiar with GRUB2 and if would require the same kind of drivers as the mode setting feature of the kernel. My guess would be it wouldn't since it'd be running prior any kernel (and hence drivers) are loaded, so it may very well rely only on the VESA capabilities of the cards, but again, I don't know for certain... Will have to take a look. From stlwrt at gmail.com Tue Sep 30 18:04:35 2008 From: stlwrt at gmail.com (Pavel Shevchuk) Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2008 21:04:35 +0300 Subject: Another Solar Update & remaining F10 release tasks (volunteers needed!) In-Reply-To: <918810512.724621222791938576.JavaMail.root@zmail02.collab.prod.int.phx2.redhat.com> References: <1705286399.724401222791875047.JavaMail.root@zmail02.collab.prod.int.phx2.redhat.com> <918810512.724621222791938576.JavaMail.root@zmail02.collab.prod.int.phx2.redhat.com> Message-ID: On Tue, Sep 30, 2008 at 7:25 PM, Jaroslav Reznik wrote: > I like that Plymouth mockup but I'm afraid there > is no time to implement it for KSplash. Plymouth splash doesn't display progress. KSplash must display either icons (default behaviour), or something like progressbar. -- http://scwlab.com From duffy at fedoraproject.org Tue Sep 30 18:10:18 2008 From: duffy at fedoraproject.org (=?UTF-8?B?TcOhaXLDrW4gRHVmZnk=?=) Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2008 14:10:18 -0400 Subject: Another Solar Update & remaining F10 release tasks (volunteers needed!) In-Reply-To: References: <1705286399.724401222791875047.JavaMail.root@zmail02.collab.prod.int.phx2.redhat.com> <918810512.724621222791938576.JavaMail.root@zmail02.collab.prod.int.phx2.redhat.com> Message-ID: <48E26B8A.2020407@fedoraproject.org> Pavel Shevchuk wrote: > On Tue, Sep 30, 2008 at 7:25 PM, Jaroslav Reznik wrote: >> I like that Plymouth mockup but I'm afraid there >> is no time to implement it for KSplash. > > Plymouth splash doesn't display progress. It does, doesn't it? ~m From jarodwen at gmail.com Tue Sep 30 18:39:27 2008 From: jarodwen at gmail.com (Jarod Wen) Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2008 14:39:27 -0400 Subject: Fedora-art-list Digest, Vol 30, Issue 142 In-Reply-To: <20080930045753.2FEB061A6F5@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20080930045753.2FEB061A6F5@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: On Sep 30, 2008, at 12:57 AM, fedora-art-list-request at redhat.com wrote: > = DISC / MEDIA ART = > - we should probably go with the simple design for the disc itself > as we > did for Fedora 9. I'll take on the task of updating the artwork so it > says Fedora 10 instead of 9. > - we need a sleeve design for Fedora 10. The disc will come in a > cardboard sleeve. Any takers? (Ryan, yours came out great for Fedora > 9, > *hint hint* *wink wink*) Hi All, This is Jarod Wen. I am new here, but I want to start on some contributions to our group. I have some experience on desktop publishing(a local magazine for NGO). I am not a seasoned designer on artwork, but I wish I could learn more here in our group! I want to have a try on the disk/media artwork for F10. I will try to based on the idea of disk/media artwork of F9. Wish I can publish a draft by this weekend. To Ryan: I am a new comer so may I turn to you if I have any questions on this task? ------ Jarod Wen jarodwen at gmail.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From duffy at fedoraproject.org Tue Sep 30 18:43:06 2008 From: duffy at fedoraproject.org (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?M=E1ir=EDn_Duffy?=) Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2008 14:43:06 -0400 Subject: Fedora-art-list Digest, Vol 30, Issue 142 In-Reply-To: References: <20080930045753.2FEB061A6F5@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <48E2733A.4000203@fedoraproject.org> Hey Jarod, Jarod Wen wrote: > This is Jarod Wen. I am new here, but I want to start on some > contributions to our group. I have some experience on desktop > publishing(a local magazine for NGO). I am not a seasoned designer on > artwork, but I wish I could learn more here in our group! > > I want to have a try on the disk/media artwork for F10. I will try to > based on the idea of disk/media artwork of F9. Wish I can publish a > draft by this weekend. Cool. We have a standard design we use for the disc so all that is needed is the sleeve design. We need one for live media and one for DVD. ~m From fedora-art at brej.org Tue Sep 30 19:58:23 2008 From: fedora-art at brej.org (Charlie Brej) Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2008 20:58:23 +0100 Subject: Another Solar Update & remaining F10 release tasks (volunteers needed!) In-Reply-To: <48E26B8A.2020407@fedoraproject.org> References: <1705286399.724401222791875047.JavaMail.root@zmail02.collab.prod.int.phx2.redhat.com> <918810512.724621222791938576.JavaMail.root@zmail02.collab.prod.int.phx2.redhat.com> <48E26B8A.2020407@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <48E284DF.8030609@brej.org> M?ir?n Duffy wrote: > Pavel Shevchuk wrote: >> On Tue, Sep 30, 2008 at 7:25 PM, Jaroslav Reznik wrote: >>> I like that Plymouth mockup but I'm afraid there >>> is no time to implement it for KSplash. >> Plymouth splash doesn't display progress. > > It does, doesn't it? > > ~m It will do. Ray committed the progress branch to main yesterday and we now have the option of having some kind of progress bar/timer/... Just need some ideas now. From stlwrt at gmail.com Tue Sep 30 20:03:59 2008 From: stlwrt at gmail.com (Pavel Shevchuk) Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2008 23:03:59 +0300 Subject: Another Solar Update & remaining F10 release tasks (volunteers needed!) In-Reply-To: <48E284DF.8030609@brej.org> References: <1705286399.724401222791875047.JavaMail.root@zmail02.collab.prod.int.phx2.redhat.com> <918810512.724621222791938576.JavaMail.root@zmail02.collab.prod.int.phx2.redhat.com> <48E26B8A.2020407@fedoraproject.org> <48E284DF.8030609@brej.org> Message-ID: On Tue, Sep 30, 2008 at 10:58 PM, Charlie Brej wrote: > M?ir?n Duffy wrote: >> >> Pavel Shevchuk wrote: >>> >>> On Tue, Sep 30, 2008 at 7:25 PM, Jaroslav Reznik >>> wrote: >>>> >>>> I like that Plymouth mockup but I'm afraid there >>>> is no time to implement it for KSplash. >>> >>> Plymouth splash doesn't display progress. >> >> It does, doesn't it? >> >> ~m > > It will do. Ray committed the progress branch to main yesterday and we now > have the option of having some kind of progress bar/timer/... Just need some > ideas now. Yes, i'm talking about some themed progress indicator. Like icons solarizing... -- http://scwlab.com From jarodwen at gmail.com Tue Sep 30 20:14:52 2008 From: jarodwen at gmail.com (Jarod Wen) Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2008 16:14:52 -0400 Subject: Fedora-art-list Digest, Vol 30, Issue 145 In-Reply-To: <20080930200420.B1FCF61A592@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20080930200420.B1FCF61A592@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: On Sep 30, 2008, at 4:04 PM, fedora-art-list-request at redhat.com wrote: > Cool. We have a standard design we use for the disc so all that is > needed is the sleeve design. We need one for live media and one for > DVD. Sure. It is very useful that I have got the source files of ones for F9. It really a good starting point for me to do some work based on them. ------ Jarod Wen jarodwen at gmail.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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