Echo vs the destkop

William Jon McCann mccann at
Tue Sep 23 22:27:05 UTC 2008

Hi Bill,

On Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 5:53 PM, Bill Nottingham <notting at> wrote:
> When we approved Echo as the default icon theme for F10, I was under the
> assumption that this was already more or less known as a feature to the
> Desktop group, and they were OK with the coverage provided and the
> experience given. Is that the case?


> Looking at the desktop now (beta), I see:
> - at least three different icon perspectives in the stock menus
>  (echo, 'stock', bluecurve)
> - nearly all 'upstream' gnome apps using non-echo style icons
> - an immediate disconnect between the perspective of the stock
>  icons and the perspective of the main menu logo
> It also appears to me that the Echo icons scale to menu size I'm
> using (24) much worse than the prior icons.
> Are we planning to address these issues, either by increasing the
> Echo icon coverage, or changing various apps to point to system
> icons provided by Echo?

I strongly disagree with the decision to use the Echo icon theme.  For
one, there is simply not enough time before Fedora 10 to fix the
problems that you point out.  There is also the fact that the quality
of the artwork is noticeably lower than the upstream GNOME and Tango
icon themes.

In my opinion, we should:
1. Not use the Echo icons for Fedora 10
2. Encourage Fedora artists to become involved with the upstream GNOME
and Tango artist communities


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