Rodrigo Padula de Oliveira rodrigopadula at projetofedora.org
Wed May 6 23:23:04 UTC 2009

Máirín Duffy escreveu:
> ----- Original Message ----
>> From: Rodrigo Padula de Oliveira <rodrigopadula at projetofedora.org>
>> Not complicated, but with a logo or symbol about the name/release.
> We haven't had a logo in the wallpaper since F8. The wallpaper uses the same base artwork/theme as the more knock-you-over-the-head artwork so it matches fine.
>> I think a blue screen with some effects isn't the best wallpaper for
>> Fedora 11.
>> Fedora 10 had a sun
>> Fedora 9 waves
>> Fedora 8 transition effect during the day
> This was an extremely abstract rendering. F8 and F9 both had transition effects.

Yes, I know!

> Just because things were done one way in the past doesn't mean that way was the best way or the way to go now. As has been discussed on this list extensively over the past couple of years, we're looking to tone down the artwork a lot more and make it a bit more elegant and not knock-you-over-the-head-with-something-thematic-in-every-single-available-space-used-for-artwork. 

We need to change, of corse, but we need to improve, to grow up.
Release by release the artwork team has done this job better and better.

IMHO the Fedora 11 artwork, codename and slogan isn't going in the same
way. All decisions was very confuse and troubled.

>> My sugestion isn't to "voting on every bug and issue that comes up", but
>> voting on artwork options for every Fedora Release to take a direction
>> (not a final decision), to have feedback from the people that spread and
>> use Fedora around the world.
> I'm sorry, I must have misunderstood. I thought you were talking about the decision to not have the lion on the left screen wallpaper by default. The decision to go with the lion wallpaper was made very much as a group discussion, discussed and agonized over thoroughly on-list and over IRC. 
> The last time we did a vote was a disaster. We were getting multiple art team FAS group requests daily from people who wanted to vote. Too bad we don't normally get that many requests from people who actually want to help produce artwork.
>> I'm talking constantly with Maria Leandro, Jayme and more recently
>> Samuele and nobody knew about the changes and decisions taked about the
>> wallpaper/Lion.
> Ultimately, as the team lead of the art team, I am responsible for when these decisions have to be made. 
> I am the person who has to stay up all night and work to make
deadlines, giving up my free time up to get things done when it isn't
getting done.
> This is a role I truly do not enjoy, as it seems that the artwork is
ALWAYS controversial, release after release.
> There is no way to satisfy everyone with the artwork.
> When one person is happy, there are 5 others who are upset about it.
>Change things to make those 5 people happy,then there are 20 more who
are unhappy

Your arguments confirm my arguments. If we have troubles and
controversies release by release, the process is not good enough and we
need to improve.

I'm working in the Fedora Project since 2005 as contributor
(translation, documentation, free media, events, support, infra, fedora
latam, fedora education and others projects) and some decisions makes
our job more hard, I know!

> Samuele went on vacation for a long time. Unfortunately, the deadlines for this team do not get to go on vacation. We were getting many complaints about the lion being in the wallpaper by default, and a decision had to be made. If I had held a vote, Samuele wouldn't have been there to vote. It is unfortunate that the artwork we went with was submitted so late (well past the deadline). The quality of the artwork is what drove us to make an exception to the deadline, but this obviously left us very shorthanded on time to deal with issues that cropped up such as the incessant complaints about the lion being too busy. Perhaps if the artwork had been submitted according to the schedule, we would have had more time to deliberate on how to handle the user complaints.
> Please read the archives. Please. I just had to take time out of my incredibly busy day to dig these links out for you. I would greatly appreciate if you would honor that by reading these threads before continuing this discussion.


> Thread: "Artwork Feedback" start here: https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-art-list/2009-April/msg00070.html
> Thread: "Leonidas background brightness" start here: https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-art-list/2009-April/msg00137.html
> Thread: "Leonidas backgrounds" start here: https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-art-list/2009-April/msg00132.html
> Thread: "Improving Leonidas backgrounds" start here: https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-art-list/2009-April/msg00141.html 
> Message (Schedule reminder) https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-art-list/2009-April/msg00160.html
> Thread: "Wallpaper for F11" https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-art-list/2009-April/msg00255.html

Good, but, we have millions of users. Using a open process (voting
system) we can take the feedback/opinions from a large community and not
from 15 people only.

99% of our users use icons/files/folders only in the left side of the
Desktop.(Warren, please move your icons to the left side of the screen
:-) ). We could change the lion colors, brightness, we dont need to
remove the Lion.

Using this blue lion variation
http://mola.fedorapeople.org/gimp/mairin/change_to_blue_006-1.jpg the
Warren's icons can stay in the right site of the screnn and we can have

We have time to do it ?

>> If this process is open, clear and etc why these members, member of this
>> list don't knew about this decision ?
> If they were following the list, they would have as documented above. If Samuele, Maria, and Jayme have issues I would rather hear from them directly than second hand, okay? I saw Samuele's message about the changes and after the discussion that had ensured I had thought the confusion had been cleared up. I have not heard from either Maria or Jayme about their concerns as of yet so that is news to me.
>> For me this decision impacts all users/contributors/ambassadors, but the
>> decision isn't clear and isn't open!
> You tell me how it isn't open after reading the threads above.

Isn't open enough! We need to ask and invite users, contributors and
ambassadors to vote.

>> Samule saved us again, this time from a Windows XP Like wallpaper, but,
>> unfortunately the beautiful wallpaper was ripped!
>> Our artwork team is great and is doing a GREAT JOB, but, we need to
>> improve the decision process.
> If anyone would like to step up as art team leader, please let me know, as I no longer wish to hold the position.

You are a great designer and is doing a great job with your team!

Don't take it personal. The problem isn't with you, is with the process!



Rodrigo Padula de Oliveira
M.Sc. Student - COPPE/UFRJ
Fedora Community Manager - Latin America
Red Hat Community and Academy Relations

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