From foolish at fedoraforum.org Sun Aug 1 11:28:21 2004 From: foolish at fedoraforum.org (Sindre Pedersen Bjordal) Date: Sun, 01 Aug 2004 13:28:21 +0200 Subject: Quicktime In-Reply-To: <410B39A5.9080104@earthlink.net> References: <1091128514.3528.43.camel@localhost.localdomain> <410B39A5.9080104@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <1091359701.2340.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> We have one solution to this over at the unofficial Fedora F.A.Q. www.fedorafaq.org/#browsermovies l?r, 31.07.2004 kl. 08.18 skrev Chris Farber: > Is there currently any way to watch quicktime movies inside > Mozilla/Mozilla Firefox? > > Thanks > Chris -- Sindre Pedersen Bjordal www.fedoraforum.org -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: Dette er en digitalt signert meldingsdel URL: From caolanm at redhat.com Tue Aug 3 07:27:53 2004 From: caolanm at redhat.com (Caolan McNamara) Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2004 03:27:53 -0400 Subject: test plans In-Reply-To: <41095F75.6030103@redhat.com> References: <1091128514.3528.43.camel@localhost.localdomain> <41095F75.6030103@redhat.com> Message-ID: <20040803072753.GB25381@devserv.devel.redhat.com> On Thu, Jul 29, 2004 at 04:35:01PM -0400, Christopher Aillon wrote: > Mozilla's basic functionality test suite (smoketest) which includes > plugins testing is at http://www.mozilla.org/quality/smoketests/index.html Similiarly OpenOffice has a qadev cvs module which has lots of qa tests, and there is a quicker smoketest 10erTest_680.sxw document which runs through some basic sanity tests. With OOo UNO interface its relative trivial to write tests in e.g. python to automate OOo specific tests like document load/convert comparisons. C. From kyrre at solution-forge.net Tue Aug 3 21:12:59 2004 From: kyrre at solution-forge.net (Kyrre Ness Sjobak) Date: Tue, 03 Aug 2004 23:12:59 +0200 Subject: test plans In-Reply-To: <20040803160011.774F973D80@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20040803160011.774F973D80@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1091567578.6089.16.camel@kyrre> > On Thu, Jul 29, 2004 at 04:35:01PM -0400, Christopher Aillon wrote: > > Mozilla's basic functionality test suite (smoketest) which includes > > plugins testing is at http://www.mozilla.org/quality/smoketests/index.html > > Similiarly OpenOffice has a qadev cvs module which has lots of qa tests, and > there is a quicker smoketest 10erTest_680.sxw document which runs through some > basic sanity tests. With OOo UNO interface its relative trivial to write > tests in e.g. python to automate OOo specific tests like document load/convert > comparisons. > > C. Yep. But wouldn't it be good to include a pointer to these instructions high up in the release-notes of the test-releases, or/and somewhere that is easyly seen (motd+users desktops?) I tested fc2-t3, but heard nothing of such instructions. Kyrre Ness Sj?b?k From bartk at clara.co.uk Wed Aug 4 20:20:34 2004 From: bartk at clara.co.uk (Bart Kalita) Date: Wed, 04 Aug 2004 21:20:34 +0100 Subject: new fedora logos, wallpapers, access to resources Message-ID: <1091650834.7598.10.camel@nemesis.astradine.net> Hi All, I'm thinking about creating some new wallpapers for FC3. I've made some for FC2 and had some if minimal response. Still I'm interested in a possibility to access to FC logos for FC3 even in a test 1 version. Can anybody help and tell me where to find those logos may it be on the ISOs or ftp? And by the way is there any particular reason why there are so few FC wallpapers? -- __________________________________________________________ Bart Kalita MCP Registered Linux user #347493 Fedora Core 3 test 1 www.bart-domain.com www.astradine.no-ip.org From bclark at redhat.com Thu Aug 5 03:08:14 2004 From: bclark at redhat.com (Bryan Clark) Date: Wed, 04 Aug 2004 23:08:14 -0400 Subject: new fedora logos, wallpapers, access to resources In-Reply-To: <1091650834.7598.10.camel@nemesis.astradine.net> References: <1091650834.7598.10.camel@nemesis.astradine.net> Message-ID: <1091675294.3841.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> Hi ~ On Wed, 2004-08-04 at 21:20 +0100, Bart Kalita wrote: > I'm thinking about creating some new wallpapers for FC3. Awesome. > I've made some for FC2 and had some if minimal response. Still I'm > interested in a possibility to access to FC logos for FC3 even in a test > 1 version. I haven't seen these, do you have a link? > Can anybody help and tell me where to find those logos may it be on the > ISOs or ftp? I believe you can still find Garret's work on his people.redhat site http://people.redhat.com/glesage/artwork/ > And by the way is there any particular reason why there are so few FC > wallpapers? *shrug* Cheers, ~ Bryan From skvidal at phy.duke.edu Thu Aug 5 03:14:15 2004 From: skvidal at phy.duke.edu (seth vidal) Date: Wed, 04 Aug 2004 23:14:15 -0400 Subject: new fedora logos, wallpapers, access to resources In-Reply-To: <1091675294.3841.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1091650834.7598.10.camel@nemesis.astradine.net> <1091675294.3841.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1091675655.6494.1.camel@binkley> > > And by the way is there any particular reason why there are so few FC > > wallpapers? > I think one good reason why there are few is the big fat TM on the logos. If you make Wallpapers for Fedora you might end up getting a nice C&D from Red Hat's Legal folks telling you why you have to take it down. Read the Trademark guidelines carefully... -sv From malikguna at yahoo.com Thu Aug 5 17:07:12 2004 From: malikguna at yahoo.com (malik malik) Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2004 10:07:12 -0700 (PDT) Subject: How can I Installation of Fedora Core2 through NFS? Message-ID: <20040805170712.76594.qmail@web50503.mail.yahoo.com> Dear friends I have 4 systems. I am not willing to spend more time to install each and every system. I heard we can install fedora core2 through NFS. plz let me know, how we can install fedora core2 through the NFS? plz let me in brief.. guna. --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - Send 10MB messages! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From byte at aeon.com.my Thu Aug 5 17:29:46 2004 From: byte at aeon.com.my (Colin Charles) Date: Fri, 06 Aug 2004 03:29:46 +1000 Subject: How can I Installation of Fedora Core2 through NFS? In-Reply-To: <20040805170712.76594.qmail@web50503.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20040805170712.76594.qmail@web50503.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1091726986.6373.30.camel@hermione.aeon.com.my> On Fri, 2004-08-06 at 03:07, malik malik wrote: > I have 4 systems. I am not willing to spend more time to install each > and every system. I heard we can install fedora core2 through NFS. plz > let me know, how we can install fedora core2 through the NFS? The right list for this is fedora-list at redhat.com - subscribe at http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Not to leave you high and dry, here's a guide that you might find useful: http://fedoranews.org/dowen/nfsinstall/ -- Colin Charles, byte at aeon.com.my http://www.bytebot.net/ "First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win." -- Mohandas Gandhi From bartk at clara.co.uk Thu Aug 5 18:22:54 2004 From: bartk at clara.co.uk (Bart Kalita) Date: Thu, 05 Aug 2004 19:22:54 +0100 Subject: new fedora logos, wallpapers, access to resources, Now with a lnk to some artwork In-Reply-To: <1091675294.3841.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1091650834.7598.10.camel@nemesis.astradine.net> <1091675294.3841.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1091730174.7081.10.camel@nemesis.astradine.net> Well, thats the link to my wallpapers: http://www.bart-domain.com/fedora/ U can d/l them and use them as U like. Not all backgrounds are mine and some wallpapers are in low resolutions. Please treat them as teasers rather than finished products. I'll try to see If I can mimic fedora logo and "3" in Ilustrator or Photoshop if I come up with something interesting I'll post the results here. As to the law side of it if somebody knows something for sure please let me know for now I'm taking my chances :-) On the side note I personally think that FC team is shooting itself in a foot here just look at KDE-Look org and see how many other Distro specific wallpapers are there! and no one can dispute the advertising power of a good screenshot with a cool wallpaper! :-) -- __________________________________________________________ Bart Kalita MCP Registered Linux user #347493 Fedora Core 3 test 1 www.bart-domain.com www.astradine.no-ip.org On Wed, 2004-08-04 at 23:08 -0400, Bryan Clark wrote: > Hi ~ > > On Wed, 2004-08-04 at 21:20 +0100, Bart Kalita wrote: > > I'm thinking about creating some new wallpapers for FC3. > > Awesome. > > > I've made some for FC2 and had some if minimal response. Still I'm > > interested in a possibility to access to FC logos for FC3 even in a test > > 1 version. > > I haven't seen these, do you have a link? > > > Can anybody help and tell me where to find those logos may it be on the > > ISOs or ftp? > > I believe you can still find Garret's work on his people.redhat site > > http://people.redhat.com/glesage/artwork/ > > > And by the way is there any particular reason why there are so few FC > > wallpapers? > > *shrug* > > Cheers, > ~ Bryan > > > From dann at godzilla.ics.uci.edu Thu Aug 5 22:11:37 2004 From: dann at godzilla.ics.uci.edu (Dan Nicolaescu) Date: Thu, 05 Aug 2004 15:11:37 -0700 Subject: enable the 256 colors support in xterm? Message-ID: <200408052211.i75MBeGK019313@scanner2.ics.uci.edu> Can the FC3 xterm be compiled with support for 256 colors enabled? (i.e. configure with --enable-256-color) This would enable applications to take advantage of a higher number of colors. For example, the next version of Emacs will have support for 256 color xterms. (This support is not present in emacs-21.3 but it can probably be easily backported, if desired. It would probably be an ~200 lines patch). With that support, syntax coloring in emacs running in an xterm looks almost identical to emacs running in X11. This is great for using emacs over slow connections. Thanks. --dan From pavels at capital.lv Fri Aug 6 07:37:33 2004 From: pavels at capital.lv (Pavels Nikolajevs) Date: Fri, 06 Aug 2004 10:37:33 +0300 Subject: new fedora logos, wallpapers, access to resources, Now with a lnk to some artwork In-Reply-To: <1091730174.7081.10.camel@nemesis.astradine.net> References: <1091650834.7598.10.camel@nemesis.astradine.net> <1091675294.3841.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1091730174.7081.10.camel@nemesis.astradine.net> Message-ID: <4113353D.2060903@capital.lv> http://www.bart-domain.com/fedora/fedora%20splash.jpg is really nice one, but let's not forget about people who have 2 monitors in xinerama mode :) Bart Kalita wrote: >Well, > >thats the link to my wallpapers: > >http://www.bart-domain.com/fedora/ > >U can d/l them and use them as U like. > >Not all backgrounds are mine and some wallpapers are in low resolutions. > >Please treat them as teasers rather than finished products. > >I'll try to see If I can mimic fedora logo and "3" in Ilustrator or >Photoshop if I come up with something interesting I'll post the results >here. > >As to the law side of it if somebody knows something for sure please let >me know for now I'm taking my chances :-) > >On the side note I personally think that FC team is shooting itself in a >foot here just look at KDE-Look org and see how many other Distro >specific wallpapers are there! and no one can dispute the advertising >power of a good screenshot with a cool wallpaper! :-) > > > From krh at bitplanet.net Fri Aug 6 15:03:06 2004 From: krh at bitplanet.net (=?UTF-8?B?S3Jpc3RpYW4gSMO4Z3NiZXJn?=) Date: Fri, 06 Aug 2004 17:03:06 +0200 Subject: CVS snapshot RPMs for Fedore Core 2 Message-ID: <41139DAA.1090603@bitplanet.net> Hi, I have put together a set of RPMs for Xorg CVS as of August 5 in http://freedesktop.org/~krh In other words, these RPMs have the new set of extensions, but also a set of known bugs (see #351). These aren't official Red Hat RPMs and they are only available for i386. Fedora Development will soon have official RPMs for other architectures, but for now these packages should make more widespread testing easier. Use the standard bugzilla.freedesktop.org for reporting bugs against these packages, and please Cc me (bugzilla account: krh at bitplanet.net) on bugs filed against them. Also, remember to check that the bug you are reporting is not already in bugzilla. Have fun, Kristian From malikguna at yahoo.com Sat Aug 7 07:26:10 2004 From: malikguna at yahoo.com (malik malik) Date: Sat, 7 Aug 2004 00:26:10 -0700 (PDT) Subject: How to install HP LaserJet 1010 printer in Fedora Message-ID: <20040807072610.97306.qmail@web50510.mail.yahoo.com> Dear members I want to install HP LaserJet 1010 printer in my fedora linux. How can i install it in fedora.? plz let me know in brief. guna. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - Send 10MB messages! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From kms at passback.co.uk Sat Aug 7 08:04:23 2004 From: kms at passback.co.uk (Keith Sharp) Date: Sat, 07 Aug 2004 09:04:23 +0100 Subject: How to install HP LaserJet 1010 printer in Fedora In-Reply-To: <20040807072610.97306.qmail@web50510.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20040807072610.97306.qmail@web50510.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1091865864.2377.5.camel@animal> On Sat, 2004-08-07 at 00:26 -0700, malik malik wrote: > Dear members > > I want to install HP LaserJet 1010 > printer in my fedora linux. How can i install it in > fedora.? plz let me know in brief. This is not the correct mailing list for questions about using Fedora. You would be better asking your question on the fedora-list: http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Out of interest could you let us know what led you to choose this list to ask for help? To answer your question, from the Hat menu select "System Settings" then "Printing", enter the root password of necessary. In the "Printer configuration" window that pops up you can add a new printer by clicking the new button and following the instructions. Keith. From malikguna at yahoo.com Sat Aug 7 10:51:48 2004 From: malikguna at yahoo.com (malik malik) Date: Sat, 7 Aug 2004 03:51:48 -0700 (PDT) Subject: How to install HP LaserJet 1010 printer in Fedora In-Reply-To: <1091865864.2377.5.camel@animal> Message-ID: <20040807105148.14584.qmail@web50506.mail.yahoo.com> Dear keith Thanks ur reply. I installed printer with ur instruction. I have one more question. How can i share that printer among my LAN system? guna. --- Keith Sharp wrote: > On Sat, 2004-08-07 at 00:26 -0700, malik malik > wrote: > > Dear members > > > > I want to install HP LaserJet > 1010 > > printer in my fedora linux. How can i install it > in > > fedora.? plz let me know in brief. > > This is not the correct mailing list for questions > about using Fedora. > You would be better asking your question on the > fedora-list: > > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list > > Out of interest could you let us know what led you > to choose this list > to ask for help? > > To answer your question, from the Hat menu select > "System Settings" then > "Printing", enter the root password of necessary. > In the "Printer > configuration" window that pops up you can add a new > printer by clicking > the new button and following the instructions. > > Keith. > > > -- > Fedora-desktop-list mailing list > Fedora-desktop-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-desktop-list > _______________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Express yourself with Y! Messenger! Free. Download now. http://messenger.yahoo.com From kms at passback.co.uk Sun Aug 8 09:39:18 2004 From: kms at passback.co.uk (Keith Sharp) Date: Sun, 08 Aug 2004 10:39:18 +0100 Subject: How to install HP LaserJet 1010 printer in Fedora In-Reply-To: <20040807105148.14584.qmail@web50506.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20040807105148.14584.qmail@web50506.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1091957958.17834.5.camel@animal> On Sat, 2004-08-07 at 03:51 -0700, malik malik wrote: > Dear keith > > Thanks ur reply. I installed printer with > ur instruction. I have one more question. Please ask this question on fedora-list: http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list > How can i share that printer among my LAN > system? In the same "Printer configuration" application you used to install the printer you can enable sharing. Highlight the printer you just created and then click the "Edit" button, in the new window you will see a button labelled "Sharing...", click on this a you can configure sharing. Please, if you have any further questions ask them on fedora-list, *not* here! Keith. From tmclaugh at sdf.lonestar.org Mon Aug 9 03:56:47 2004 From: tmclaugh at sdf.lonestar.org (Tom McLaughlin) Date: Mon, 09 Aug 2004 03:56:47 +0000 Subject: Gnome 2.7 on Fedora Message-ID: <1092023807.87905.43.camel@compass.straycat.dhs.org> Hi, I'm looking to install Fedora on a machine of mine for the purpose of running Gnome 2.7. I'm regularly a FreeBSD user where I'm running Gnome 2.7 right now and I'd like to have a linux machine as a basis of comparison to track down bugs. I'd like to know if there are any reliable rpm repositories for Gnome 2.7 out there? My interest is in tracking the state of Gnome 2.7 instead of Gnome on Fedora. That means the recent updates to Gnome for RC 3 don't really help me. I'd like to have as vanilla an install of Gnome as possible and be able to keep both machines' Gnome installs relatively in sync with one another. I know there are garnome and jhbuild but this is a slow machine so I don't feel like building from source. I have found this repo so far: http://people.ecsc.co.uk/~matt/downloads/ I'm just wondering if there are any other repositories out there or if anyone has any experience with using rpms from here. If anyone can point me in a possible direction that would be great. Thanks. Tom From kmaraas at broadpark.no Mon Aug 9 05:34:46 2004 From: kmaraas at broadpark.no (Kjartan Maraas) Date: Mon, 09 Aug 2004 07:34:46 +0200 Subject: Gnome 2.7 on Fedora In-Reply-To: <1092023807.87905.43.camel@compass.straycat.dhs.org> References: <1092023807.87905.43.camel@compass.straycat.dhs.org> Message-ID: <1092029686.3969.1.camel@home.gnome.no> man, 09,.08.2004 kl. 03.56 +0000, skrev Tom McLaughlin: > Hi, I'm looking to install Fedora on a machine of mine for the purpose > of running Gnome 2.7. I'm regularly a FreeBSD user where I'm running > Gnome 2.7 right now and I'd like to have a linux machine as a basis of > comparison to track down bugs. I'd like to know if there are any > reliable rpm repositories for Gnome 2.7 out there? My interest is in > tracking the state of Gnome 2.7 instead of Gnome on Fedora. That means > the recent updates to Gnome for RC 3 don't really help me. I'd like to > have as vanilla an install of Gnome as possible and be able to keep both > machines' Gnome installs relatively in sync with one another. > GNOME 2.7.x has started appearing in rawhide/the development tree on the ftp servers. You're probably better off testing what is to become the official packages I guess, so start beta testing now? :) Cheers Kjartan From walters at redhat.com Mon Aug 9 19:35:54 2004 From: walters at redhat.com (Colin Walters) Date: Mon, 09 Aug 2004 15:35:54 -0400 Subject: time for session D-BUS? Message-ID: <1092080154.4961.2.camel@nexus.verbum.private> Hi, Since we're doing stuff now that requires a session D-Bus, shouldn't we patch the X init scripts to actually execute it? Or were we thinking of an approach with gnome-session executing it? Attached is a patch to implement in /etc/X11/xdm/Xsession. We also need to patch gdm to depend on dbus-x11. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Xsession-dbus.patch Type: text/x-patch Size: 2046 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Note that with the introduction of things like ~/Contacts/, ~/Mail/ and ~/Settings, this gives the user a clear picture of where things are, and what things are important to back up (if they so choose). Some users may just see their mail as important, and not care about contacts or music. Others may see Contacts, Mail, Settings and Documents as important and can just (easily! with nautilus-cd-burner) write these to CD for backup. ~/Contacts - where evolution stores contacts, with human-readable file names (e.g. "Firstname Lastname.vcf" or something). ~/Desktop - same as it is now, the contents of the users desktop. ~/Documents - a suggested location for documents (and the default save location for applications such as OpenOffice) ~/Mail - where Evolution stores it's mail. ~/Movies - for the kick-ass iMovie type thing that we so need. ~/Music - Music Player's place to put music! ~/Photos - Gthumb's place to go, and the digital camera tool! ~/Web Pages - ==public_html (and shared by apache, if installed). I have no real expectation taht this will make Core3 in any complete way, but is a good talking point and UI suggestion. This will make it easier for users. -- Stewart Smith (stewart at flamingspork.com) http://www.flamingspork.com/ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From skvidal at phy.duke.edu Tue Aug 10 15:16:25 2004 From: skvidal at phy.duke.edu (seth vidal) Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 11:16:25 -0400 Subject: New GDM Theme? Message-ID: <1092150984.3954.4.camel@opus.phy.duke.edu> Would this GDM theme be worth considering for FC3. It's different but very attractive, I think. http://gnome-look.org/content/show.php?content=15112 -sv From stevelist at silverorange.com Tue Aug 10 19:22:42 2004 From: stevelist at silverorange.com (Steven Garrity) Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 16:22:42 -0300 Subject: New GDM Theme? In-Reply-To: <1092150984.3954.4.camel@opus.phy.duke.edu> References: <1092150984.3954.4.camel@opus.phy.duke.edu> Message-ID: <41192082.3060805@silverorange.com> seth vidal wrote: > Would this GDM theme be worth considering for FC3. It's different but > very attractive, I think. > > http://gnome-look.org/content/show.php?content=15112 That is nice - but I'm not sure it's better than the simple theme in place now (in FC2). Steven Garrity From kyrre at solution-forge.net Tue Aug 10 20:35:03 2004 From: kyrre at solution-forge.net (Kyrre Ness Sjobak) Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 22:35:03 +0200 Subject: RFE: User-Understandable Default folders in Home Directory Message-ID: <1092170102.2614.16.camel@kyrre> Sounds like a great idea! Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 00:57:48 +1000 From: Stewart Smith Subject: RFE: User-Understandable Default folders in Home Directory To: Discussions about development for the Fedora desktop Message-ID: <1092149868.3858.5.camel at kennedy> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" a bit like what OSX has, i've been thinking that a set of default folders (with some cool icons) could help users a bit. I've put this up at : https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=129564 simply so it's kinda 1/2 officially tracked, and in the future, people with the same idea can (easily) find some track of discussion.... I propose adding the following to the /etc/skel for new users, with funky icons on the folders to help increasing the clarity of where things are and some hints on helping them organise things. Note that with the introduction of things like ~/Contacts/, ~/Mail/ and ~/Settings, this gives the user a clear picture of where things are, and what things are important to back up (if they so choose). Some users may just see their mail as important, and not care about contacts or music. Others may see Contacts, Mail, Settings and Documents as important and can just (easily! with nautilus-cd-burner) write these to CD for backup. >> Just make that damn app work PERFECT first. I cant burn iso's with it. It just refuses to do anything. But integrating K3B better with gnome (and def. install if cd-burner is detected) would be great. (yeah i know its really a KDE app. But who does really care?) ~/Contacts - where evolution stores contacts, with human-readable file names (e.g. "Firstname Lastname.vcf" or something). ~/Desktop - same as it is now, the contents of the users desktop. ~/Documents - a suggested location for documents (and the default save location for applications such as OpenOffice) ~/Mail - where Evolution stores it's mail. >> This is called evolution today. But renaming it wouldn't be a to bad idea - but it can create incompitability. ~/Movies - for the kick-ass iMovie type thing that we so need. ~/Music - Music Player's place to put music! ~/Photos - Gthumb's place to go, and the digital camera tool! ~/Web Pages - ==public_html (and shared by apache, if installed). >> ~/Settings - would there be some enviroment variable (etc) most progs will honor, which would make progs put their ".blah" - files there - instead of the (unorganized) way its now - when everything is just dumped at the ~/ ? It would make using apps that don't filter out such files (read: JAVA file uploaders etc) easyer, as with sharing home dirs with EvilOS (Windows) >> Isn't there something like mini-icons on files/folders for Gnome? Could this be integrated with KDE as well? And somhow stored (in some hidden file inside the dir) so that it would be honored when sharing to other machines that don't mount as ~/ over ex. NFS? Same goes to gthumb: Its really anoying having to wait for it to recreate the thumbs when i want to show the family the digital holyday pics on my laptop, over "11" mbps WLAN, in a dir mounted over NFS. Especially when i just did on my main machine. What about creating something like Thumbs.db, which are read by nautilus and gtumb (etc.) - but make it possible to turn the feature off. I have no real expectation taht this will make Core3 in any complete way, but is a good talking point and UI suggestion. This will make it easier for users. >> Why not? Its not like its hard to implement... -- Stewart Smith (stewart at flamingspork.com) http://www.flamingspork.com/ BTW. what happened to the D-bus mail? would somebody please remail it? I use diggest mode and i'm thinking that it was automagically deleted. (or at least "scrubbed" - there was no body... From mknepher at bluethingy.com Tue Aug 10 23:56:03 2004 From: mknepher at bluethingy.com (Michael Knepher) Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 16:56:03 -0700 Subject: Gnome 2.7 on Fedora In-Reply-To: <1092029686.3969.1.camel@home.gnome.no> References: <1092023807.87905.43.camel@compass.straycat.dhs.org> <1092029686.3969.1.camel@home.gnome.no> Message-ID: <1092182163.840.1.camel@lionel-hutz.darnell.group> On Mon, 2004-08-09 at 07:34 +0200, Kjartan Maraas wrote: > man, 09,.08.2004 kl. 03.56 +0000, skrev Tom McLaughlin: > > Hi, I'm looking to install Fedora on a machine of mine for the > purpose > > of running Gnome 2.7. I'm regularly a FreeBSD user where I'm > running > > Gnome 2.7 right now and I'd like to have a linux machine as a basis > of > > comparison to track down bugs. I'd like to know if there are any > > reliable rpm repositories for Gnome 2.7 out there? My interest is > in > > tracking the state of Gnome 2.7 instead of Gnome on Fedora. That > means > > the recent updates to Gnome for RC 3 don't really help me. I'd like > to > > have as vanilla an install of Gnome as possible and be able to keep > both > > machines' Gnome installs relatively in sync with one another. > > > > GNOME 2.7.x has started appearing in rawhide/the development tree on > the > ftp servers. You're probably better off testing what is to become the > official packages I guess, so start beta testing now? :) With the 2.7.x series, rawhide has only been a few days behind Matt's repository. I know in the past, Matt has hacked in some things like some of the Ximian patches, but I don't know if he's still doing that. And other than the default panel and theme settings, I don't think Fedora's packages are tweaked that much, though I could be wrong. > > Cheers > Kjartan > > From tmclaugh at sdf.lonestar.org Wed Aug 11 03:46:06 2004 From: tmclaugh at sdf.lonestar.org (Tom McLaughlin) Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 03:46:06 +0000 Subject: Gnome 2.7 on Fedora In-Reply-To: <1092182163.840.1.camel@lionel-hutz.darnell.group> References: <1092023807.87905.43.camel@compass.straycat.dhs.org> <1092029686.3969.1.camel@home.gnome.no> <1092182163.840.1.camel@lionel-hutz.darnell.group> Message-ID: <1092195966.4057.13.camel@compass.straycat.dhs.org> On Tue, 2004-08-10 at 16:56 -0700, Michael Knepher wrote: > On Mon, 2004-08-09 at 07:34 +0200, Kjartan Maraas wrote: > > man, 09,.08.2004 kl. 03.56 +0000, skrev Tom McLaughlin: > > > Hi, I'm looking to install Fedora on a machine of mine for the > > purpose > > > of running Gnome 2.7. I'm regularly a FreeBSD user where I'm > > running > > > Gnome 2.7 right now and I'd like to have a linux machine as a basis > > of > > > comparison to track down bugs. I'd like to know if there are any > > > reliable rpm repositories for Gnome 2.7 out there? My interest is > > in > > > tracking the state of Gnome 2.7 instead of Gnome on Fedora. That > > means > > > the recent updates to Gnome for RC 3 don't really help me. I'd like > > to > > > have as vanilla an install of Gnome as possible and be able to keep > > both > > > machines' Gnome installs relatively in sync with one another. > > > > > > > GNOME 2.7.x has started appearing in rawhide/the development tree on > > the > > ftp servers. You're probably better off testing what is to become the > > official packages I guess, so start beta testing now? :) > > With the 2.7.x series, rawhide has only been a few days behind Matt's > repository. I know in the past, Matt has hacked in some things like some > of the Ximian patches, but I don't know if he's still doing that. And > other than the default panel and theme settings, I don't think Fedora's > packages are tweaked that much, though I could be wrong. > Okay, cool. I just wanted to make sure both of my machines would be similar so I had a good reference. Thanks a bunch for the info. Tom > > > > Cheers > > Kjartan > > > > > > From yusufg at outblaze.com Wed Aug 11 07:51:09 2004 From: yusufg at outblaze.com (Yusuf Goolamabbas) Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 15:51:09 +0800 Subject: Will Cairo be packaged for FC3 ? Message-ID: <20040811075109.GE8627@outblaze.com> Hi, Wanted to ask the following questions a) Will there be a package of a cairo snapshot for FC3 ? b) Will the Mozilla packaged in FC3 render through Pango or will it just be XFT based ? From breun at xs4all.nl Wed Aug 11 08:04:16 2004 From: breun at xs4all.nl (Nils Breunese) Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 10:04:16 +0200 Subject: New GDM Theme? In-Reply-To: <1092150984.3954.4.camel@opus.phy.duke.edu> References: <1092150984.3954.4.camel@opus.phy.duke.edu> Message-ID: <4119D300.6030708@xs4all.nl> seth vidal wrote: > Would this GDM theme be worth considering for FC3. It's different but > very attractive, I think. > > http://gnome-look.org/content/show.php?content=15112 Screenshot there looks nice, but when I installed it, it didn't look right. The three buttons weren't centered (more to the left) and should be a bit lower on the screen. Maybe it's that the theme can't handle my 1152x864 resolution? breun. -- "I got a funny feeling they got plastic in the afterlife" - Beck From foolish at fedoraforum.org Wed Aug 11 10:17:01 2004 From: foolish at fedoraforum.org (Sindre Pedersen Bjordal) Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 12:17:01 +0200 Subject: RFE: User-Understandable Default folders in Home Directory In-Reply-To: <1092149868.3858.5.camel@kennedy> References: <1092149868.3858.5.camel@kennedy> Message-ID: <1092219420.5759.14.camel@localhost.localdomain> tir, 10.08.2004 kl. 16.57 skrev Stewart Smith: > a bit like what OSX has, i've been thinking that a set of default > folders (with some cool icons) could help users a bit. > > I've put this up at : > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=129564 > > simply so it's kinda 1/2 officially tracked, and in the future, people > with the same idea can (easily) find some track of discussion.... > > I propose adding the following to the /etc/skel for new users, with > funky icons on the folders to help increasing the clarity of where > things are and some hints on helping them organise things. > > Note that with the introduction of things like ~/Contacts/, ~/Mail/ > and ~/Settings, this gives the user a clear picture of where things > are, and what things are important to back up (if they so choose). > > Some users may just see their mail as important, and not care about > contacts or music. Others may see Contacts, Mail, Settings and > Documents as important and can just (easily! with nautilus-cd-burner) > write these to CD for backup. > > ~/Contacts - where evolution stores contacts, with human-readable file > names (e.g. "Firstname Lastname.vcf" or something). > ~/Desktop - same as it is now, the contents of the users desktop. > ~/Documents - a suggested location for documents (and the default save > location for applications such as OpenOffice) > ~/Mail - where Evolution stores it's mail. > ~/Movies - for the kick-ass iMovie type thing that we so need. > ~/Music - Music Player's place to put music! > ~/Photos - Gthumb's place to go, and the digital camera tool! > ~/Web Pages - ==public_html (and shared by apache, if installed). > > I have no real expectation taht this will make Core3 in any complete > way, but is a good talking point and UI suggestion. This will make it > easier for users. I love this idea. It was proposed for in an article I read somewhere some time ago, but I can't locate it. What struck me then, and strikes me now is: What about the non-english users? Sure, having the names of the the folder internationalized shouldn't prove that difficult, but how do we make rhythmbox or Evolution look in the internationalized folders? -- Sindre Pedersen Bjordal www.fedoraforum.org -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Hi, The way Apple has done it for the past 15 years is a system call FindFolder(), into which you pass some constants, and get back a folder reference number: enum { kSystemFolderType = 'macs', kDesktopFolderType = 'desk', kSystemDesktopFolderType = 'sdsk', kTrashFolderType = 'trsh', kSystemTrashFolderType = 'strs', ... kExtensionFolderType = 'extn', kFontsFolderType = 'font', kPreferencesFolderType = 'pref', kSystemPreferencesFolderType = 'sprf', kTemporaryFolderType = 'temp' }; I would imagine that on Linux you would, of course, get back the name of that folder using the current system encoding. It would have to be a base-level library, not tied to GNOME or KDE, since other programs could conceivably use it as well. Hence, maybe its a good idea for a freedesktop.org project with a small library or something. I don't think it's a bad idea at all. So, perhaps: char *user_doc_folder_name = fl_get_folder_name (USER_DOCUMENTS_FOLDER); if (user_doc_folder_name) { free (user_doc_folder_name); } Dan From markdrago at mail.com Wed Aug 11 13:29:13 2004 From: markdrago at mail.com (Mark Drago) Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 09:29:13 -0400 Subject: RFE: User-Understandable Default folders in Home Directory In-Reply-To: <1092219420.5759.14.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1092149868.3858.5.camel@kennedy> <1092219420.5759.14.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1092230952.16681.4.camel@intern.int.bascom.com> > > ~/Contacts - where evolution stores contacts, with human-readable file > > names (e.g. "Firstname Lastname.vcf" or something). > > ~/Desktop - same as it is now, the contents of the users desktop. > > ~/Documents - a suggested location for documents (and the default save > > location for applications such as OpenOffice) > > ~/Mail - where Evolution stores it's mail. > > ~/Movies - for the kick-ass iMovie type thing that we so need. > > ~/Music - Music Player's place to put music! > > ~/Photos - Gthumb's place to go, and the digital camera tool! > > ~/Web Pages - ==public_html (and shared by apache, if installed). > I love this idea. It was proposed for in an article I read somewhere > some time ago, but I can't locate it. What struck me then, and strikes > me now is: What about the non-english users? Sure, having the names of > the the folder internationalized shouldn't prove that difficult, but how > do we make rhythmbox or Evolution look in the internationalized folders? The location of these folders could be stored in gconf. That way we can internationalize the real names of the folders and also allow an advanced user to store their music, photos, and whatever else wherever they want. I tend to store all of my music in ~/data/Music, and it would be nice to relocate the folder that way. --Mark Drago -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From mknepher at bluethingy.com Wed Aug 11 16:17:30 2004 From: mknepher at bluethingy.com (Michael Knepher) Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 09:17:30 -0700 Subject: RFE: User-Understandable Default folders in Home Directory In-Reply-To: <1092170102.2614.16.camel@kyrre> References: <1092170102.2614.16.camel@kyrre> Message-ID: <1092241050.2943.4.camel@lionel-hutz.darnell.group> Many of these suggestions touch on upstream issues, either regarding GNOME/KDE settings, or for individual apps. As such, it might be useful to approach some of these in the context of the freedesktop.org project, rather than just as a Fedora-specific hack. In fact, I believe many of these issues may have at least nascent specifications at freedesktop.org. On Tue, 2004-08-10 at 22:35 +0200, Kyrre Ness Sjobak wrote: > Some users may just see their mail as important, and not care about > contacts or music. Others may see Contacts, Mail, Settings and > Documents as important and can just (easily! with nautilus-cd-burner) > write these to CD for backup. > > >> Just make that damn app work PERFECT first. I cant burn iso's with > it. It just refuses to do anything. But integrating K3B better with > gnome (and def. install if cd-burner is detected) would be great. > (yeah > i know its really a KDE app. But who does really care?) > > ~/Contacts - where evolution stores contacts, with human-readable file > names (e.g. "Firstname Lastname.vcf" or something). > ~/Desktop - same as it is now, the contents of the users desktop. > ~/Documents - a suggested location for documents (and the default save > location for applications such as OpenOffice) > ~/Mail - where Evolution stores it's mail. > > >> This is called evolution today. But renaming it wouldn't be a to > bad > idea - but it can create incompitability. Evo-2.0 now stores everything in .evolution. The configuration stuff in there should *definitely* remain hidden. And the only system I've seen that makes directly-accessible mail messages useful (and usable) is BeOS, with the BeFS extended attributes essentially turning Tracker into a mailreader. I don't see any practical reason to expose the message store under the current filesystem/file-manager combo. Having a non- evolution-centric message store that would allow users to easily switch mail readers is another issue, but I still feel it should be hidden. > > ~/Movies - for the kick-ass iMovie type thing that we so need. Until there's a sufficient mass of free codecs and content, this is probably better left on the TODO list. > ~/Music - Music Player's place to put music! > ~/Photos - Gthumb's place to go, and the digital camera tool! These seem the easiest to add. What I'd like to see as well is to have easily set-up and accessible system-wide directories for these types of files that every user can read and write to. > ~/Web Pages - ==public_html (and shared by apache, if installed). > > >> ~/Settings - would there be some enviroment variable (etc) most > progs > will honor, which would make progs put their ".blah" - files there - > instead of the (unorganized) way its now - when everything is just > dumped at the ~/ ? It would make using apps that don't filter out such > files (read: JAVA file uploaders etc) easyer, as with sharing home > dirs > with EvilOS (Windows) Most KDE and GNOME apps now keep their settings under .kde and .gnome2, respectively. A third spot for "unaffiliated" apps would need upstream buy-in rather than patching every app. > > >> Isn't there something like mini-icons on files/folders for Gnome? > Could this be integrated with KDE as well? And somhow stored (in some > hidden file inside the dir) so that it would be honored when sharing > to > other machines that don't mount as ~/ over ex. NFS? These are called emblems in Nautilus. I don't recall if konqueror supports anything similar. Sharing them between KDE and GNOME would best be a freedesktop.org spec. I'm not sure where nautilus currently keeps the settings. > Same goes to gthumb: > Its really anoying having to wait for it to recreate the thumbs when i > want to show the family the digital holyday pics on my laptop, over > "11" > mbps WLAN, in a dir mounted over NFS. Especially when i just did on my > main machine. What about creating something like Thumbs.db, which are > read by nautilus and gtumb (etc.) - but make it possible to turn the > feature off. The most recent versions of gThumb have a preference setting to turn off thumbnail display, and nautilus has preferences for displaying thumbnails, such as "local files only", or only thumbnail files under a certain size, etc. It might be nice for gThumb to have similar settings or to be able to require it to follow nautilus' settings. From dmalcolm at redhat.com Wed Aug 11 16:50:09 2004 From: dmalcolm at redhat.com (David Malcolm) Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 12:50:09 -0400 Subject: RFE: User-Understandable Default folders in Home Directory In-Reply-To: <1092149868.3858.5.camel@kennedy> References: <1092149868.3858.5.camel@kennedy> Message-ID: <1092243010.29641.20.camel@cassandra.boston.redhat.com> On Wed, 2004-08-11 at 00:57 +1000, Stewart Smith wrote: > a bit like what OSX has, i've been thinking that a set of default > folders (with some cool icons) could help users a bit. I do something like this on my own folders at home, using emblems. I broadly like your idea (with some caveats concerning Evolution, see below), though in the blue-sky future perhaps we'll all be using Storage to organise our stuff, rather than this 20th century directory-based technology :-) (see http://www.gnome.org/~seth/storage/ ) > I've put this up at : > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=129564 > > simply so it's kinda 1/2 officially tracked, and in the future, people > with the same idea can (easily) find some track of discussion.... > > I propose adding the following to the /etc/skel for new users, with > funky icons on the folders to help increasing the clarity of where > things are and some hints on helping them organise things. > > Note that with the introduction of things like ~/Contacts/, ~/Mail/ > and ~/Settings, this gives the user a clear picture of where things > are, and what things are important to back up (if they so choose). > > Some users may just see their mail as important, and not care about > contacts or music. Others may see Contacts, Mail, Settings and > Documents as important and can just (easily! with nautilus-cd-burner) > write these to CD for backup. > > ~/Contacts - where evolution stores contacts, with human-readable file > names (e.g. "Firstname Lastname.vcf" or something). Currently Evolution 1.5.* stores its data (contacts, calendar, email etc) below the ~/.evolution directory and in GConf, and makes various assumptions about the layout of the ~/.evolution directory. Evolution could be changed to follow this proposal for "local contacts" (as opposed to contacts found on e.g. a shared corporate LDAP database), but it'd be non-trivial. A better way of accessing the contact information might be to use evolution-data-server API; this should handle nasty details such as file locking for you. If what you're really looking for is a sane way for home users to backup this data, I think a specialised tool could be written that knows about the various kinds of data that are stored on your computer (configuration settings, contents of home directory etc) and can display them in a good UI, tell you how big the backup is going to be etc, and maybe create ISO files ready to be burned to CD for you. > ~/Desktop - same as it is now, the contents of the users desktop. > ~/Documents - a suggested location for documents (and the default save > location for applications such as OpenOffice) > ~/Mail - where Evolution stores it's mail. Again, Evolution makes all kinds of assumptions about the layout of its mail directory; it's not something I'd want to expose to end users. Thankfully with Evo 1.5.* this is now in ~/.evolution, rather than ~/evolution as it used to be before, so it's not quite as in-your-face as before. > ~/Movies - for the kick-ass iMovie type thing that we so need. Yes please! > ~/Music - Music Player's place to put music! Good idea IMHO > ~/Photos - Gthumb's place to go, and the digital camera tool! Also a good idea IMHO > ~/Web Pages - ==public_html (and shared by apache, if installed). Nice idea. Though you'd have to have some extra control panel applets to do things like turning apache on/off etc and punch through the firewall, or people could get confused. > > I have no real expectation taht this will make Core3 in any complete > way, but is a good talking point and UI suggestion. This will make it > easier for users. From otaylor at redhat.com Wed Aug 11 17:30:29 2004 From: otaylor at redhat.com (Owen Taylor) Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 13:30:29 -0400 Subject: Will Cairo be packaged for FC3 ? In-Reply-To: <1092237869.2904.41.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <20040811075109.GE8627@outblaze.com> <1092237869.2904.41.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1092245428.2904.239.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Wed, 2004-08-11 at 11:24, Owen Taylor wrote: > On Wed, 2004-08-11 at 03:51, Yusuf Goolamabbas wrote: > > Hi, Wanted to ask the following questions > > > > a) Will there be a package of a cairo snapshot for FC3 ? > > Not as part of FC3. Generally, libraries will only be added to > the distribution if they are: > > A) Reasonably stable > B) Used by some application we want to ship > > > b) Will the Mozilla packaged in FC3 render through Pango or will it just > > be XFT based ? > > It will be Xft based. Looks like I read this wrong ... I read "render through Cairo" ... our hope at this point is to have Mozilla rendering via Pango (and Pango then using Xft), but its still a bit up in the air. 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It was proposed for in an article I read somewhere > > some time ago, but I can't locate it. What struck me then, and strikes > > me now is: What about the non-english users? Sure, having the names of > > the the folder internationalized shouldn't prove that difficult, but how > > do we make rhythmbox or Evolution look in the internationalized folders? > > The location of these folders could be stored in gconf. That way we can > internationalize the real names of the folders and also allow an > advanced user to store their music, photos, and whatever else wherever > they want. I tend to store all of my music in ~/data/Music, and it > would be nice to relocate the folder that way. > > --Mark Drago > > ______________________________________________________________________ > -- > Fedora-desktop-list mailing list > Fedora-desktop-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-desktop-list Hello Does anyone know how the standard evolution receives its pop mail. I want to use mailscanner to review the incoming mail and hopefully run virus checking as well. It does not seem to use the default unix mail directories for incoming mail? The machine conects via a firewall to the Isp for mail collection via POP3 -- Ian Robertson Specialist Skating Tel +44 (0)1224 624811 Tel/Fax +44 (0)1224 781326 From jspaleta at gmail.com Wed Aug 11 17:38:17 2004 From: jspaleta at gmail.com (Jeff Spaleta) Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 13:38:17 -0400 Subject: RFE: User-Understandable Default folders in Home Directory In-Reply-To: <1092243010.29641.20.camel@cassandra.boston.redhat.com> References: <1092149868.3858.5.camel@kennedy> <1092243010.29641.20.camel@cassandra.boston.redhat.com> Message-ID: <604aa791040811103846b07c4e@mail.gmail.com> On Wed, 11 Aug 2004 12:50:09 -0400, David Malcolm wrote: > On Wed, 2004-08-11 at 00:57 +1000, Stewart Smith wrote: > > a bit like what OSX has, i've been thinking that a set of default > > folders (with some cool icons) could help users a bit. > > I do something like this on my own folders at home, using emblems. I personally would like to see the emblems concept expanded to fill the 'funky' icon role for default speciality folders. So create special default folders like photos and movies and documents... and attach the associated emblem by default. The current set of emblems would have to be expanded a little or perhaps rethought a bit more. But I would also find it interesting to expand the concept of emblem so that users can tag other folders as 'document' or 'movie' folders or whatever in such a way that you can easily search for documents and movies in all the folders tagged with the associated emblem, in a pre-Storage enabled world. Expand that even further so you can have systemwide tagged 'music' folders so users can query their userspace Music emblem tagged folders as well as systemwide folders tagged as Music. -jef From caolanm at redhat.com Thu Aug 12 15:08:07 2004 From: caolanm at redhat.com (Caolan McNamara) Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2004 15:08:07 +0000 Subject: little demo of OpenOffice.org 1.9m49 using gnomeprintui dialog Message-ID: <1092323287.7970.14.camel@sheol.homelinux.org> At http://people.redhat.com/caolanm/gnomeprintui.bin I've uploaded a self extracting installer (not rpm) of OpenOffice.org 1.9m49 which I've hacked to use gnomeprintui for the print dialog, should work fine for normal functionality and print to pdf/file. Still needs a bit more love, but might be of interest. C. From kyrre at solution-forge.net Fri Aug 13 10:05:47 2004 From: kyrre at solution-forge.net (Kyrre Ness Sjobak) Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2004 12:05:47 +0200 Subject: Fedora-desktop-list Digest, Vol 6, Issue 11 In-Reply-To: <20040812160009.A05DE73A78@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20040812160009.A05DE73A78@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1092391547.2718.12.camel@kyrre> > Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 12:50:09 -0400 > From: David Malcolm > Subject: Re: RFE: User-Understandable Default folders in Home > Directory > To: Discussions about development for the Fedora desktop > > Message-ID: <1092243010.29641.20.camel at cassandra.boston.redhat.com> > Content-Type: text/plain > > On Wed, 2004-08-11 at 00:57 +1000, Stewart Smith wrote: > > a bit like what OSX has, i've been thinking that a set of default > > folders (with some cool icons) could help users a bit. > > I do something like this on my own folders at home, using emblems. > > I broadly like your idea (with some caveats concerning Evolution, see > below), though in the blue-sky future perhaps we'll all be using Storage > to organise our stuff, rather than this 20th century directory-based > technology :-) > (see http://www.gnome.org/~seth/storage/ ) > Woow! Is this in for gnome 3 or something? It would certainly require a tour, but HOLY ****! Gnome starts to look better than looking glass (any chance of this being shipped with fc3?) Usefull to. And the evo integration looks nice :p > > > I've put this up at : > > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=129564 > > > > simply so it's kinda 1/2 officially tracked, and in the future, people > > with the same idea can (easily) find some track of discussion.... > > > > I propose adding the following to the /etc/skel for new users, with > > funky icons on the folders to help increasing the clarity of where > > things are and some hints on helping them organise things. > > > > Note that with the introduction of things like ~/Contacts/, ~/Mail/ > > and ~/Settings, this gives the user a clear picture of where things > > are, and what things are important to back up (if they so choose). > > > > Some users may just see their mail as important, and not care about > > contacts or music. Others may see Contacts, Mail, Settings and > > Documents as important and can just (easily! with nautilus-cd-burner) > > write these to CD for backup. > > > > ~/Contacts - where evolution stores contacts, with human-readable file > > names (e.g. "Firstname Lastname.vcf" or something). > > Currently Evolution 1.5.* stores its data (contacts, calendar, email > etc) below the ~/.evolution directory and in GConf, and makes various > assumptions about the layout of the ~/.evolution directory. Evolution > could be changed to follow this proposal for "local contacts" (as > opposed to contacts found on e.g. a shared corporate LDAP database), but > it'd be non-trivial. > What? How do i transfer my mail that is currently in my evo folder? I dont want to loose it! Only thing kept in .evolution before was passwords and mailservers etc... And there is another thing: Saving local mail in a non-hidden folder make shure its not deleted when somebody runs "rm -rf .*" in your homedir - such as I did to my users when upgrading from rh9 to fc1 and fc1 to fc2. I think bookmarks also should be saved that way. > A better way of accessing the contact information might be to use > evolution-data-server API; this should handle nasty details such as file > locking for you. > > If what you're really looking for is a sane way for home users to backup > this data, I think a specialised tool could be written that knows about > the various kinds of data that are stored on your computer > (configuration settings, contents of home directory etc) and can display > them in a good UI, tell you how big the backup is going to be etc, and > maybe create ISO files ready to be burned to CD for you. > > > ~/Desktop - same as it is now, the contents of the users desktop. > > ~/Documents - a suggested location for documents (and the default save > > location for applications such as OpenOffice) > > ~/Mail - where Evolution stores it's mail. > > Again, Evolution makes all kinds of assumptions about the layout of its > mail directory; it's not something I'd want to expose to end users. > Thankfully with Evo 1.5.* this is now in ~/.evolution, rather than > ~/evolution as it used to be before, so it's not quite as in-your-face > as before. > > > ~/Movies - for the kick-ass iMovie type thing that we so need. > > Yes please! > > > ~/Music - Music Player's place to put music! > Looks like the storage guys liked divX... > Good idea IMHO > > > ~/Photos - Gthumb's place to go, and the digital camera tool! > > Also a good idea IMHO > > > ~/Web Pages - ==public_html (and shared by apache, if installed). > > Nice idea. Though you'd have to have some extra control panel applets > to do things like turning apache on/off etc and punch through the > firewall, or people could get confused. > > > > > I have no real expectation taht this will make Core3 in any complete > > way, but is a good talking point and UI suggestion. This will make it > > easier for users. Another point: Webbrowsing. Today FC uses moz - which has a nice engine etc. But Epiphany is still better integrated with Gnome (and no difference when talking HTML engine): Why not use this as the standard web-browser instead? Only prob. as far as i can see, is that neither moz or epiphany has a user-friendly way to select which printer you want to use. Whic is... BAD! From mknepher at bluethingy.com Fri Aug 13 16:00:30 2004 From: mknepher at bluethingy.com (Michael Knepher) Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2004 09:00:30 -0700 Subject: Fedora-desktop-list Digest, Vol 6, Issue 11 In-Reply-To: <1092391547.2718.12.camel@kyrre> References: <20040812160009.A05DE73A78@hormel.redhat.com> <1092391547.2718.12.camel@kyrre> Message-ID: <1092412830.20259.13.camel@lionel-hutz.darnell.group> On Fri, 2004-08-13 at 12:05 +0200, Kyrre Ness Sjobak wrote: > > Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 12:50:09 -0400 > > From: David Malcolm > > > > Currently Evolution 1.5.* stores its data (contacts, calendar, email > > etc) below the ~/.evolution directory and in GConf, and makes various > > assumptions about the layout of the ~/.evolution directory. Evolution > > could be changed to follow this proposal for "local contacts" (as > > opposed to contacts found on e.g. a shared corporate LDAP database), but > > it'd be non-trivial. > > > > What? How do i transfer my mail that is currently in my evo folder? I > dont want to loose it! > > Only thing kept in .evolution before was passwords and mailservers The new Evolution will import all your old mail, contacts, calendar items, etc., on first startup. > Another point: Webbrowsing. Today FC uses moz - which has a nice engine > etc. But Epiphany is still better integrated with Gnome (and no > difference when talking HTML engine): Why not use this as the standard > web-browser instead? Check out some of the newer builds of mozilla - there's a lot of gtk2 integration going in that makes it fit in the desktop better appearance- wise. Here's a screenshot showing mozilla using the gtk+2.4 file chooser: http://sayamindu.randomink.org/ramblings/images/mozilla_pango.png > Only prob. as far as i can see, is that neither moz or epiphany has a > user-friendly way to select which printer you want to use. Whic is... > BAD! > For epiphany, it should be a fairly simple matter. I'm not sure what's involved with getting mozilla/firefox to use the new print system. From wtogami at redhat.com Sat Aug 14 23:18:10 2004 From: wtogami at redhat.com (Warren Togami) Date: Sat, 14 Aug 2004 13:18:10 -1000 Subject: SILC library inclusion? Message-ID: <411E9DB2.9010705@redhat.com> http://www.silcnet.org The upstream gaim developers have requested that we include the SILC libraries in FC3. This would allow our gaim package to enable the final missing protocol SILC. SILC is kind of like IRC, except using strong encryption and authentication. The gaim developers have exhibited a strong commitment to Fedora development and it would be great if we could support their request. Would it be possible to add this library to FC3? Warren Togami wtogami at redhat.com From kyrre at solution-forge.net Sun Aug 15 17:43:17 2004 From: kyrre at solution-forge.net (Kyrre Ness Sjobak) Date: Sun, 15 Aug 2004 19:43:17 +0200 Subject: RFE: User-Understandable Default folders in Home In-Reply-To: <20040814160007.057A173460@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20040814160007.057A173460@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1092591796.2664.7.camel@kyrre> > Message: 1 > Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2004 09:00:30 -0700 > From: Michael Knepher > Subject: Re: Fedora-desktop-list Digest, Vol 6, Issue 11 Ops, sorry about that one... > To: Discussions about development for the Fedora desktop > > Message-ID: <1092412830.20259.13.camel at lionel-hutz.darnell.group> > Content-Type: text/plain > > On Fri, 2004-08-13 at 12:05 +0200, Kyrre Ness Sjobak wrote: > > > Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 12:50:09 -0400 > > > From: David Malcolm > > > > > > Currently Evolution 1.5.* stores its data (contacts, calendar, email > > > etc) below the ~/.evolution directory and in GConf, and makes various > > > assumptions about the layout of the ~/.evolution directory. Evolution > > > could be changed to follow this proposal for "local contacts" (as > > > opposed to contacts found on e.g. a shared corporate LDAP database), but > > > it'd be non-trivial. > > > > > > > What? How do i transfer my mail that is currently in my evo folder? I > > dont want to loose it! > > > > Only thing kept in .evolution before was passwords and mailservers > > The new Evolution will import all your old mail, contacts, calendar > items, etc., on first startup. > How? Just copy the evo folder into my ~? What will then happen to my evolution-folder? Just imported and then never touched again? > > Another point: Webbrowsing. Today FC uses moz - which has a nice engine > > etc. But Epiphany is still better integrated with Gnome (and no > > difference when talking HTML engine): Why not use this as the standard > > web-browser instead? > > Check out some of the newer builds of mozilla - there's a lot of gtk2 > integration going in that makes it fit in the desktop better appearance- > wise. Here's a screenshot showing mozilla using the gtk+2.4 file > chooser: > http://sayamindu.randomink.org/ramblings/images/mozilla_pango.png > That is good. Even if i can't se the big diff. Cant read that language anyway :) > > > > Only prob. as far as i can see, is that neither moz or epiphany has a > > user-friendly way to select which printer you want to use. Whic is... > > BAD! > > > > For epiphany, it should be a fairly simple matter. I'm not sure what's > involved with getting mozilla/firefox to use the new print system. > > > What new print system? CUPS? It is really un-user-friendly the way it is now. Even KDE does better than that! (joke, not flamebait). But i still cant see why we are using moz not epiphany (apart from being completely unpronounceable, and the word also un-understandable...)? Decision-makers: please answer (or somebody else who knows the truth) From caillon at redhat.com Mon Aug 16 06:32:57 2004 From: caillon at redhat.com (Christopher Aillon) Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 02:32:57 -0400 Subject: Fedora-desktop-list Digest, Vol 6, Issue 11 In-Reply-To: <1092412830.20259.13.camel@lionel-hutz.darnell.group> References: <20040812160009.A05DE73A78@hormel.redhat.com> <1092391547.2718.12.camel@kyrre> <1092412830.20259.13.camel@lionel-hutz.darnell.group> Message-ID: <41205519.4040204@redhat.com> Michael Knepher wrote: >>Another point: Webbrowsing. Today FC uses moz - which has a nice engine >>etc. But Epiphany is still better integrated with Gnome (and no >>difference when talking HTML engine): Why not use this as the standard >>web-browser instead? >> >> >Check out some of the newer builds of mozilla - there's a lot of gtk2 >integration going in that makes it fit in the desktop better appearance- >wise. Here's a screenshot showing mozilla using the gtk+2.4 file >chooser: >http://sayamindu.randomink.org/ramblings/images/mozilla_pango.png > > Excellent. Hope its working fine for you. If you encounter any problems with it, do let me know at http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/ BTW, I hope to build a rawhide RPM with the latest incarnations of my file picker stuff in the next day or so to get wider exposure here. >>Only prob. as far as i can see, is that neither moz or epiphany has a >>user-friendly way to select which printer you want to use. Whic is... >>BAD! >> >For epiphany, it should be a fairly simple matter. I'm not sure what's >involved with getting mozilla/firefox to use the new print system. > > I'm on the job here. I'll post more about it when I get closer to have something working. From mknepher at bluethingy.com Mon Aug 16 07:31:21 2004 From: mknepher at bluethingy.com (Michael Knepher) Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 00:31:21 -0700 Subject: RFE: User-Understandable Default folders in Home In-Reply-To: <1092591796.2664.7.camel@kyrre> References: <20040814160007.057A173460@hormel.redhat.com> <1092591796.2664.7.camel@kyrre> Message-ID: <1092641481.30865.7.camel@doriath.sonichope.com> On Sun, 2004-08-15 at 19:43 +0200, Kyrre Ness Sjobak wrote: > > The new Evolution will import all your old mail, contacts, calendar > > items, etc., on first startup. > > > How? Just copy the evo folder into my ~? What will then happen to my > evolution-folder? Just imported and then never touched again? More or less. I gather the internal layout is different in the two directories, so it's not just a simple copy of the directory. > > > > > Only prob. as far as i can see, is that neither moz or epiphany has a > > > user-friendly way to select which printer you want to use. Whic is... > > > BAD! > > > > > > > For epiphany, it should be a fairly simple matter. I'm not sure what's > > involved with getting mozilla/firefox to use the new print system. > What new print system? CUPS? It is really un-user-friendly the way it is > now. Even KDE does better than that! (joke, not flamebait). Cups is still the backend, but it's being integrated with dbus to provide better usability. A screenshot of the new print dialog is attached. Very close to KDE's. > But i still > cant see why we are using moz not epiphany (apart from being completely > unpronounceable, and the word also un-understandable...)? > Decision-makers: please answer (or somebody else who knows the truth) That I don't know. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Print Dialog.png Type: image/png Size: 20996 bytes Desc: not available URL: From marco at gnome.org Mon Aug 16 07:53:08 2004 From: marco at gnome.org (Marco Pesenti Gritti) Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 09:53:08 +0200 Subject: Fedora-desktop-list Digest, Vol 6, Issue 11 In-Reply-To: <41205519.4040204@redhat.com> References: <20040812160009.A05DE73A78@hormel.redhat.com> <1092391547.2718.12.camel@kyrre> <1092412830.20259.13.camel@lionel-hutz.darnell.group> <41205519.4040204@redhat.com> Message-ID: <1092642788.5974.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> > >For epiphany, it should be a fairly simple matter. I'm not sure what's > >involved with getting mozilla/firefox to use the new print system. > > > > > > I'm on the job here. I'll post more about it when I get closer to have > something working. > Hey, is there any bug/info about this ? I'm interested ;) Marco From dmalcolm at redhat.com Mon Aug 16 16:28:20 2004 From: dmalcolm at redhat.com (David Malcolm) Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 12:28:20 -0400 Subject: RFE: User-Understandable Default folders in Home In-Reply-To: <1092591796.2664.7.camel@kyrre> References: <20040814160007.057A173460@hormel.redhat.com> <1092591796.2664.7.camel@kyrre> Message-ID: <1092673700.14449.9.camel@cassandra.boston.redhat.com> On Sun, 2004-08-15 at 19:43 +0200, Kyrre Ness Sjobak wrote: > > Message: 1 > > Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2004 09:00:30 -0700 > > From: Michael Knepher > > Subject: Re: Fedora-desktop-list Digest, Vol 6, Issue 11 > Ops, sorry about that one... > > > To: Discussions about development for the Fedora desktop > > > > Message-ID: <1092412830.20259.13.camel at lionel-hutz.darnell.group> > > Content-Type: text/plain > > > > On Fri, 2004-08-13 at 12:05 +0200, Kyrre Ness Sjobak wrote: > > > > Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 12:50:09 -0400 > > > > From: David Malcolm > > > > > > > > Currently Evolution 1.5.* stores its data (contacts, calendar, email > > > > etc) below the ~/.evolution directory and in GConf, and makes various > > > > assumptions about the layout of the ~/.evolution directory. Evolution > > > > could be changed to follow this proposal for "local contacts" (as > > > > opposed to contacts found on e.g. a shared corporate LDAP database), but > > > > it'd be non-trivial. > > > > > > > > > > What? How do i transfer my mail that is currently in my evo folder? I > > > dont want to loose it! > > > > > > Only thing kept in .evolution before was passwords and mailservers > > > > The new Evolution will import all your old mail, contacts, calendar > > items, etc., on first startup. > > > How? Just copy the evo folder into my ~? What will then happen to my > evolution-folder? Just imported and then never touched again? What I did was to copy my "~/evolution" directory to a "~/not_evolution", and then ran Evolution 1.5. It successfully created a new "~/.evolution" directory containing the same information in a new format. I believe it didn't touch the old directory afterwards, and after using the Evolution 1.5 for a week or so I moved "~/evolution" and "~/not_evolution" into a "backups" directory. [snip] Dave From kyrre at solution-forge.net Mon Aug 16 17:21:45 2004 From: kyrre at solution-forge.net (Kyrre Ness Sjobak) Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 19:21:45 +0200 Subject: Fedora-desktop-list Digest, Vol 6, Issue 15 In-Reply-To: <20040816160016.494097451F@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20040816160016.494097451F@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1092676904.28481.4.camel@kyrre> > > > > Only prob. as far as i can see, is that neither moz or epiphany has a > > > > user-friendly way to select which printer you want to use. Whic is... > > > > BAD! > > > > > > > > > > For epiphany, it should be a fairly simple matter. I'm not sure what's > > > involved with getting mozilla/firefox to use the new print system. > > > What new print system? CUPS? It is really un-user-friendly the way it is > > now. Even KDE does better than that! (joke, not flamebait). > > Cups is still the backend, but it's being integrated with dbus to > provide better usability. A screenshot of the new print dialog is > attached. Very close to KDE's. > Hmm... when will this reach yum? Or will it be part of fc3 in october? Couldn't see the screenshot - it was scrubbed by the list... > > But i still > > cant see why we are using moz not epiphany (apart from being completely > > unpronounceable, and the word also un-understandable...)? > > Decision-makers: please answer (or somebody else who knows the truth) > > That I don't know. But somebody else does? From mknepher at bluethingy.com Mon Aug 16 19:17:48 2004 From: mknepher at bluethingy.com (Michael Knepher) Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 12:17:48 -0700 Subject: Fedora-desktop-list Digest, Vol 6, Issue 15 In-Reply-To: <1092676904.28481.4.camel@kyrre> References: <20040816160016.494097451F@hormel.redhat.com> <1092676904.28481.4.camel@kyrre> Message-ID: <1092683869.3772.3.camel@lionel-hutz.darnell.group> On Mon, 2004-08-16 at 19:21 +0200, Kyrre Ness Sjobak wrote: > > Cups is still the backend, but it's being integrated with dbus to > > provide better usability. A screenshot of the new print dialog is > > attached. Very close to KDE's. > > > > Hmm... when will this reach yum? Or will it be part of fc3 in october? > Couldn't see the screenshot - it was scrubbed by the list... Try http://www.bluethingy.com/linux/Print_Dialog.png It's in rawhide, for FC3 release. From nphilipp at redhat.com Tue Aug 17 11:41:30 2004 From: nphilipp at redhat.com (Nils Philippsen) Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2004 13:41:30 +0200 Subject: Fedora-desktop-list Digest, Vol 6, Issue 15 In-Reply-To: <1092683869.3772.3.camel@lionel-hutz.darnell.group> References: <20040816160016.494097451F@hormel.redhat.com> <1092676904.28481.4.camel@kyrre> <1092683869.3772.3.camel@lionel-hutz.darnell.group> Message-ID: <20040817114129.GE13211@tiptoe.de> On Mon, Aug 16, 2004 at 12:17:48PM -0700, Michael Knepher wrote: > Try http://www.bluethingy.com/linux/Print_Dialog.png This file contains CRC errors. Nils -- Nils Philippsen / Red Hat / nphilipp at redhat.com "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." -- B. Franklin, 1759 PGP fingerprint: C4A8 9474 5C4C ADE3 2B8F 656D 47D8 9B65 6951 3011 From kyrre at solution-forge.net Tue Aug 17 17:35:24 2004 From: kyrre at solution-forge.net (Kyrre Ness Sjobak) Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2004 19:35:24 +0200 Subject: print-dialog In-Reply-To: <20040817160020.9DFE47569C@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20040817160020.9DFE47569C@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1092764117.6727.2.camel@kyrre> > Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 12:17:48 -0700 > From: Michael Knepher > Subject: Re: Fedora-desktop-list Digest, Vol 6, Issue 15 > To: Discussions about development for the Fedora desktop > > Message-ID: <1092683869.3772.3.camel at lionel-hutz.darnell.group> > Content-Type: text/plain > > On Mon, 2004-08-16 at 19:21 +0200, Kyrre Ness Sjobak wrote: > > > Cups is still the backend, but it's being integrated with dbus to > > > provide better usability. A screenshot of the new print dialog is > > > attached. Very close to KDE's. > > > > > > > Hmm... when will this reach yum? Or will it be part of fc3 in october? > > Couldn't see the screenshot - it was scrubbed by the list... > > Try http://www.bluethingy.com/linux/Print_Dialog.png > > It's in rawhide, for FC3 release. Looks nice. Will this be in both moz and epiphany? You say it is in Rawhide, can you please give me an URL for the RPM, so that I may download it? If all works well, then I am considering to install this on all the FC2 machines at the school i administer, and switch to epiphany as default browser. Kyrre Ness Sj?b?k From mknepher at bluethingy.com Tue Aug 17 18:31:37 2004 From: mknepher at bluethingy.com (Michael Knepher) Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2004 11:31:37 -0700 Subject: print-dialog In-Reply-To: <1092764117.6727.2.camel@kyrre> References: <20040817160020.9DFE47569C@hormel.redhat.com> <1092764117.6727.2.camel@kyrre> Message-ID: <1092767497.7965.14.camel@lionel-hutz.darnell.group> On Tue, 2004-08-17 at 19:35 +0200, Kyrre Ness Sjobak wrote: > > Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 12:17:48 -0700 > > From: Michael Knepher > > Subject: Re: Fedora-desktop-list Digest, Vol 6, Issue 15 > > To: Discussions about development for the Fedora desktop > > > > Message-ID: <1092683869.3772.3.camel at lionel-hutz.darnell.group> > > Content-Type: text/plain > > > > On Mon, 2004-08-16 at 19:21 +0200, Kyrre Ness Sjobak wrote: > > > > Cups is still the backend, but it's being integrated with dbus to > > > > provide better usability. A screenshot of the new print dialog is > > > > attached. Very close to KDE's. > > > > > > > > > > Hmm... when will this reach yum? Or will it be part of fc3 in october? > > > Couldn't see the screenshot - it was scrubbed by the list... > > > > Try http://www.bluethingy.com/linux/Print_Dialog.png > > > > It's in rawhide, for FC3 release. > > Looks nice. Will this be in both moz and epiphany? You say it is in > Rawhide, can you please give me an URL for the RPM, so that I may > download it? If all works well, then I am considering to install this on > all the FC2 machines at the school i administer, and switch to epiphany > as default browser. > > Kyrre Ness Sj?b?k Epiphany and mozilla don't yet use it. Hopefully they'll be able to hack it in for FC3 (I can't actually print from the rawhide epiphany right now - I'd better go poke bugzilla and see if a bug's been filed). I don't know how many packages are required for the new printing system (I'm running a full rawhide system), but it would probably involve a lot of GNOME-2.7.x and the hal/dbus stuff, which are pretty quick-moving targets right now in rawhide. For the most part, things seem fairly stable, but I don't know if it's worth just trying to grab that. If you're able to run a test system, with all the brokenness that may entail, I'd recommend installing fc3t1 on a system and grab all the latest updates from rawhide using yum. From crandall at redhat.com Wed Aug 18 19:48:37 2004 From: crandall at redhat.com (Ken Crandall) Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 12:48:37 -0700 Subject: print-dialog In-Reply-To: <1092767497.7965.14.camel@lionel-hutz.darnell.group> References: <20040817160020.9DFE47569C@hormel.redhat.com> <1092764117.6727.2.camel@kyrre> <1092767497.7965.14.camel@lionel-hutz.darnell.group> Message-ID: <1092858517.2991.62.camel@magellan.laptop> Actually, what would be really nice would be a command-line interface to this similar to what QTCups used to be. It would then allow for *any* non-gnome app to utilize the printing infrastructure in a sane way. Cheers, Ken On Tue, 2004-08-17 at 11:31, Michael Knepher wrote: > On Tue, 2004-08-17 at 19:35 +0200, Kyrre Ness Sjobak wrote: > > > Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 12:17:48 -0700 > > > From: Michael Knepher > > > Subject: Re: Fedora-desktop-list Digest, Vol 6, Issue 15 > > > To: Discussions about development for the Fedora desktop > > > > > > Message-ID: <1092683869.3772.3.camel at lionel-hutz.darnell.group> > > > Content-Type: text/plain > > > > > > On Mon, 2004-08-16 at 19:21 +0200, Kyrre Ness Sjobak wrote: > > > > > Cups is still the backend, but it's being integrated with dbus to > > > > > provide better usability. A screenshot of the new print dialog is > > > > > attached. Very close to KDE's. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hmm... when will this reach yum? Or will it be part of fc3 in october? > > > > Couldn't see the screenshot - it was scrubbed by the list... > > > > > > Try http://www.bluethingy.com/linux/Print_Dialog.png > > > > > > It's in rawhide, for FC3 release. > > > > Looks nice. Will this be in both moz and epiphany? You say it is in > > Rawhide, can you please give me an URL for the RPM, so that I may > > download it? If all works well, then I am considering to install this on > > all the FC2 machines at the school i administer, and switch to epiphany > > as default browser. > > > > Kyrre Ness Sj?b?k > > Epiphany and mozilla don't yet use it. Hopefully they'll be able to hack > it in for FC3 (I can't actually print from the rawhide epiphany right > now - I'd better go poke bugzilla and see if a bug's been filed). I > don't know how many packages are required for the new printing system > (I'm running a full rawhide system), but it would probably involve a lot > of GNOME-2.7.x and the hal/dbus stuff, which are pretty quick-moving > targets right now in rawhide. For the most part, things seem fairly > stable, but I don't know if it's worth just trying to grab that. If > you're able to run a test system, with all the brokenness that may > entail, I'd recommend installing fc3t1 on a system and grab all the > latest updates from rawhide using yum. -- Ken Crandall Red Hat, Inc. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mknepher at bluethingy.com Fri Aug 20 16:25:09 2004 From: mknepher at bluethingy.com (Michael Knepher) Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2004 09:25:09 -0700 Subject: print-dialog In-Reply-To: <1092858517.2991.62.camel@magellan.laptop> References: <20040817160020.9DFE47569C@hormel.redhat.com> <1092764117.6727.2.camel@kyrre> <1092767497.7965.14.camel@lionel-hutz.darnell.group> <1092858517.2991.62.camel@magellan.laptop> Message-ID: <1093019109.25502.9.camel@lionel-hutz.darnell.group> On Wed, 2004-08-18 at 12:48 -0700, Ken Crandall wrote: > Actually, what would be really nice would be a command-line interface > to this similar to what QTCups used to be. It would then allow for > *any* non-gnome app to utilize the printing infrastructure in a sane > way. > > Cheers, > Ken > Is XPrint supposed to be a solution for this? I've only skimmed briefly over the info about the new xorg release at freedesktop.org, so I'm not sure if it would allow similar functionality. From hp at redhat.com Fri Aug 20 19:24:37 2004 From: hp at redhat.com (Havoc Pennington) Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2004 15:24:37 -0400 Subject: print-dialog In-Reply-To: <1093019109.25502.9.camel@lionel-hutz.darnell.group> References: <20040817160020.9DFE47569C@hormel.redhat.com> <1092764117.6727.2.camel@kyrre> <1092767497.7965.14.camel@lionel-hutz.darnell.group> <1092858517.2991.62.camel@magellan.laptop> <1093019109.25502.9.camel@lionel-hutz.darnell.group> Message-ID: <1093029877.5311.14.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Fri, 2004-08-20 at 12:25, Michael Knepher wrote: > Is XPrint supposed to be a solution for this? I've only skimmed briefly > over the info about the new xorg release at freedesktop.org, so I'm not > sure if it would allow similar functionality. > No, XPrint is an X server feature that lets you draw to the printer using the same operations used to draw to the screen. Most of the Linux desktop crowd thinks it's fundamentally a broken design, because the drawing operations aren't vector-based and because it's in the X server instead of being a library. So the alternative is something like Cairo (in future) or right now the printing stuff in Qt and gnome-print. All these things have to do with generating postscript; an orthogonal question is how you get the postscript to the printer, which is most simply done by feeding it to lpr, but there are more complex things people also want to do. Havoc From hp at redhat.com Fri Aug 20 20:16:40 2004 From: hp at redhat.com (Havoc Pennington) Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2004 16:16:40 -0400 Subject: print-dialog In-Reply-To: <1093019109.25502.9.camel@lionel-hutz.darnell.group> References: <20040817160020.9DFE47569C@hormel.redhat.com> <1092764117.6727.2.camel@kyrre> <1092767497.7965.14.camel@lionel-hutz.darnell.group> <1092858517.2991.62.camel@magellan.laptop> <1093019109.25502.9.camel@lionel-hutz.darnell.group> Message-ID: <1093029877.5311.14.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Fri, 2004-08-20 at 12:25, Michael Knepher wrote: > Is XPrint supposed to be a solution for this? I've only skimmed briefly > over the info about the new xorg release at freedesktop.org, so I'm not > sure if it would allow similar functionality. > No, XPrint is an X server feature that lets you draw to the printer using the same operations used to draw to the screen. Most of the Linux desktop crowd thinks it's fundamentally a broken design, because the drawing operations aren't vector-based and because it's in the X server instead of being a library. So the alternative is something like Cairo (in future) or right now the printing stuff in Qt and gnome-print. All these things have to do with generating postscript; an orthogonal question is how you get the postscript to the printer, which is most simply done by feeding it to lpr, but there are more complex things people also want to do. Havoc From linux_fan at spymac.com Sat Aug 21 15:08:41 2004 From: linux_fan at spymac.com (McArthor Lee) Date: Sat, 21 Aug 2004 09:08:41 -0600 Subject: Rh9 - Autologin As Root - But Failed Message-ID: <20040821150858.981E23AC7D@spy23.spymac.net> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hp at redhat.com Sat Aug 21 18:14:57 2004 From: hp at redhat.com (Havoc Pennington) Date: Sat, 21 Aug 2004 14:14:57 -0400 Subject: Rh9 - Autologin As Root - But Failed In-Reply-To: <20040821150858.981E23AC7D@spy23.spymac.net> References: <20040821150858.981E23AC7D@spy23.spymac.net> Message-ID: <1093112097.7188.54.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Sat, 2004-08-21 at 11:08, McArthor Lee wrote: > hi list, > > i use redhat 9 > > i configured rh9 to autologin within 30 seconds as root into gnome, > but it told me "cannot login as system administrator here" or > something like that > > what's more, i cannot login when i input root and its password > > what to do to restore my configuration to login normally by input root > and its password? > gdm.conf has an AllowRoot setting in there, look through the file. Not that it's a good idea... Havoc From kyrre at solution-forge.net Sat Aug 21 22:51:17 2004 From: kyrre at solution-forge.net (Kyrre Ness Sjobak) Date: Sun, 22 Aug 2004 00:51:17 +0200 Subject: print-dialog + the guy who wantet GDM autologin as root In-Reply-To: <20040821160008.C963173B1C@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20040821160008.C963173B1C@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1093128677.4015.27.camel@kyrre> But gedit has a "select printer" iface, rigth? Anyway, is there ANY chance at all for this to make it into FC2? I really can wait to reinstall the machines at school... > Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2004 09:25:09 -0700 > From: Michael Knepher > Subject: Re: print-dialog > To: Discussions about development for the Fedora desktop > > Message-ID: <1093019109.25502.9.camel at lionel-hutz.darnell.group> > Content-Type: text/plain > > On Wed, 2004-08-18 at 12:48 -0700, Ken Crandall wrote: > > Actually, what would be really nice would be a command-line interface > > to this similar to what QTCups used to be. It would then allow for > > *any* non-gnome app to utilize the printing infrastructure in a sane > > way. > > > > Cheers, > > Ken > > > Is XPrint supposed to be a solution for this? I've only skimmed briefly > over the info about the new xorg release at freedesktop.org, so I'm not > sure if it would allow similar functionality. To the guy who asked about autologin as root: 1. DO NOT SEND HTML MAIL to a mailing-list - doing so will: - get your (HTML-part-of-the) message scrubbed - which means deleted - for all users using digest mode. I (and probably many others didn't bother to read your mail at all - only the title...) - Generally get people anoyed at you => not a good way to get help 2. This should probably be asked at fedora-list, not here 3. GDM autologin of root is not possible for security reasons. Go hack'ing (no, not crack. hack the code if you want it badly) 4. You should not use the root-account on a daily basis (not even i winblows - it makes you more volunerable to viruses etc). Go make yourself a real USER account - and then use "su -" to get root when needed. 5. You probably knew this - but rh9 is old and not as "gut geignet" for newbies (why do i think you are a newbie? Hmm...) 6. Welcome to the world of Linux. Enjoy your stay. And you probably made all the worst mailing-list mistakes (exept using "HEEELP!!!!" as subject), so your will probably have very few problems from now on. Kyrre Ness Sj?b?k From walters at redhat.com Sat Aug 21 23:04:25 2004 From: walters at redhat.com (Colin Walters) Date: Sat, 21 Aug 2004 19:04:25 -0400 Subject: print-dialog + the guy who wantet GDM autologin as root In-Reply-To: <1093128677.4015.27.camel@kyrre> References: <20040821160008.C963173B1C@hormel.redhat.com> <1093128677.4015.27.camel@kyrre> Message-ID: <1093129465.25155.9.camel@nexus.verbum.private> On Sun, 2004-08-22 at 00:51 +0200, Kyrre Ness Sjobak wrote: > But gedit has a "select printer" iface, rigth? Anyway, is there ANY > chance at all for this to make it into FC2? In short, no. At least I'm not going to do it. It would require a lot of backported things like D-BUS, cups, etc. And things are still changing a lot in the time leading up to FC3. I'd suggest just waiting for FC3. Nothing is stopping you from doing the backport yourself of course, but be warned it is nontrivial. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From kyrre at solution-forge.net Sun Aug 22 20:27:05 2004 From: kyrre at solution-forge.net (Kyrre Ness Sjobak) Date: Sun, 22 Aug 2004 22:27:05 +0200 Subject: Fedora-desktop-list Digest, Vol 6, Issue 20 In-Reply-To: <20040822160016.6D54E73943@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20040822160016.6D54E73943@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1093206425.4357.3.camel@kyrre> > Date: Sat, 21 Aug 2004 19:04:25 -0400 > From: Colin Walters > Subject: Re: print-dialog + the guy who wantet GDM autologin as root > To: fedora-desktop-list at redhat.com > Message-ID: <1093129465.25155.9.camel at nexus.verbum.private> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > On Sun, 2004-08-22 at 00:51 +0200, Kyrre Ness Sjobak wrote: > > But gedit has a "select printer" iface, rigth? Anyway, is there ANY > > chance at all for this to make it into FC2? > > In short, no. At least I'm not going to do it. It would require a lot > of backported things like D-BUS, cups, etc. And things are still > changing a lot in the time leading up to FC3. > > I'd suggest just waiting for FC3. Nothing is stopping you from doing > the backport yourself of course, but be warned it is nontrivial. Sigh... Oh how i can't wait to reinstall al the f*ing machines... I want to sing a song. :D That means - personaly: Ill loooove to see fc3 coming. But i don't do that at school. :D But how does KDE/opera/gedit do it in fc2 then? Kyrre Ness Sj?b?k From sean.plantz at gmail.com Tue Aug 24 20:33:53 2004 From: sean.plantz at gmail.com (Sean Plantz) Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2004 16:33:53 -0400 Subject: KDE locking up Message-ID: First off, I have had troubles locking up all through the install process as well, only way I could complete that is text mode install for the first part (package install partitioning and boot loader config) and using skipddc as a kernel option at grub before the finalization of settings part. after that it brings me to the login screen, I enter my info, and it boots KDE, (same thing happens with Gnome btw) once the kde loader screen dissappears, the mouse still moves but nothing responds when I click. just locks up the second kde is done loading.. I have a Geforce 5200fx sound card, a AMD athlon xp, and 1gb of ram which came out clean in memtest86, SuSe linux does the same exact thing as well, but no other distro does (eg mandrake, knoppix, slackware etc..) are there any options im missing, or known issues of the same type? thanks in advance Sean From bartk at clara.co.uk Wed Aug 25 16:54:55 2004 From: bartk at clara.co.uk (Bart Kalita) Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2004 17:54:55 +0100 Subject: wallpapers cont. Message-ID: <1093452895.8990.19.camel@nemesis.astradine.net> Well, here we go. 4 wallpapers for you to look at and hopefully give me some feedback. 2 unnamed ones are unfinished but show the idea that I would like to pursue. other 2 are just 1280x1024 updates to ones I've shown before. Please drop me a line if you find them at least interesting and what you think about the "3" I still hope that there is somebody from redhat that monitors this group and has access to proper FC3 logos + would not mind sharing them with the group ... i.e me. www.bart-domain.com/fedora/ links to full images are via the scaled ones. enjoy -- _____________________________________________________________________________________ Bart Kalita MCP Registered Linux User #347493 Fedora Core 3 test 1 http://www.bart-domain.com http://astradine.no-ip.org From felipe_alfaro at linuxmail.org Fri Aug 27 01:55:09 2004 From: felipe_alfaro at linuxmail.org (Felipe Alfaro Solana) Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2004 03:55:09 +0200 Subject: CVS snapshot RPMs for Fedore Core 2 In-Reply-To: <41139DAA.1090603@bitplanet.net> References: <41139DAA.1090603@bitplanet.net> Message-ID: <200408270355.10008.felipe_alfaro@linuxmail.org> On Friday 06 August 2004 17:03, Kristian H?gsberg wrote: > Hi, > > I have put together a set of RPMs for Xorg CVS as of August 5 in > > http://freedesktop.org/~krh > > In other words, these RPMs have the new set of extensions, but also a > set of known bugs (see #351). These aren't official Red Hat RPMs and > they are only available for i386. Fedora Development will soon have > official RPMs for other architectures, but for now these packages should > make more widespread testing easier. The "Composite" extension is very nice, although it's still somewhat unstable. I have compiled "xcompmgr" myself and now have shadowed windows. Nice job. From tweeksjunk2 at theweeks.org Sat Aug 28 07:33:02 2004 From: tweeksjunk2 at theweeks.org (Tom Weeks) Date: Sat, 28 Aug 2004 02:33:02 -0500 Subject: KDE locking up In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200408280233.02402.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> First.. What version of Fedora Core? 1? 2? 3-T1? What hardware? A Laptop? You on a dual proc? Running a P4 maybe? Might want to (from the grub menu) hit "A" (for append) and then try a combination of these " noapic nopcmcia nofb 3" (leave the "3" in there with which ever other options you use, and you'll boot into runlevel 3 (text only)) then to boot. (most of this from page 31 of the new "Linux Troubleshooting Bible") That should at least help get you up and running from the command line... then use the text login (as root) to do an "up2date --nox -u" from the command line and get your system updated & patched. I've really gone to far given the amount of info you provided.. so I'll just stop there for now until you can give us a bit more to go on... Tweeks From kyrre at solution-forge.net Sat Aug 28 18:01:31 2004 From: kyrre at solution-forge.net (Kyrre Ness Sjobak) Date: Sat, 28 Aug 2004 20:01:31 +0200 Subject: Fedora-desktop-list Digest, Vol 6, Issue 23 In-Reply-To: <20040826160017.640EC737EE@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20040826160017.640EC737EE@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1093716086.2655.5.camel@kyrre> > Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2004 17:54:55 +0100 > From: Bart Kalita > Subject: wallpapers cont. > To: fedora-desktop-list at redhat.com > Message-ID: <1093452895.8990.19.camel at nemesis.astradine.net> > Content-Type: text/plain > > Well, > > here we go. > > 4 wallpapers for you to look at and hopefully give me some feedback. > > 2 unnamed ones are unfinished but show the idea that I would like to > pursue. > > other 2 are just 1280x1024 updates to ones I've shown before. > > Please drop me a line if you find them at least interesting and what you > think about the "3" > > I still hope that there is somebody from redhat that monitors this group > and has access to proper FC3 logos + would not mind sharing them with > the group ... i.e me. > > www.bart-domain.com/fedora/ > > links to full images are via the scaled ones. > > enjoy > -- > _____________________________________________________________________________________ > > Bart Kalita MCP > > Registered Linux User #347493 Fedora Core 3 test 1 > > http://www.bart-domain.com > > http://astradine.no-ip.org Looks nice! :D Really cool - only prob. as far as i can se is that they migth be a bit "fancy" beckause of huge contrasts and bright colours - ie. distracting etc. But my vote is to include them - but not as default! Good job. Kyrre Ness Sj?b?k From xsos1982 at yahoo.com.sg Mon Aug 30 05:50:45 2004 From: xsos1982 at yahoo.com.sg (Rubi Sutanto) Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 12:50:45 +0700 Subject: Fedora-desktop-list Digest, Vol 6, Issue 23 In-Reply-To: <1093716086.2655.5.camel@kyrre> References: <20040826160017.640EC737EE@hormel.redhat.com> <1093716086.2655.5.camel@kyrre> Message-ID: <1093845045.9522.1.camel@> Helo guys, I had made a wallpaper, could you guys give a comment, sugestion, and criticsm for my art work. (I hope this wallpaper could bundle with fedora core 3 :D ) But could i Upload it to www.gnome-look.org or www.kde-look.org ? thanks On Sat, 2004-08-28 at 20:01 +0200, Kyrre Ness Sjobak wrote: > > Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2004 17:54:55 +0100 > > From: Bart Kalita > > Subject: wallpapers cont. > > To: fedora-desktop-list at redhat.com > > Message-ID: <1093452895.8990.19.camel at nemesis.astradine.net> > > Content-Type: text/plain > > > > Well, > > > > here we go. > > > > 4 wallpapers for you to look at and hopefully give me some feedback. > > > > 2 unnamed ones are unfinished but show the idea that I would like to > > pursue. > > > > other 2 are just 1280x1024 updates to ones I've shown before. > > > > Please drop me a line if you find them at least interesting and what you > > think about the "3" > > > > I still hope that there is somebody from redhat that monitors this group > > and has access to proper FC3 logos + would not mind sharing them with > > the group ... i.e me. > > > > www.bart-domain.com/fedora/ > > > > links to full images are via the scaled ones. > > > > enjoy > > -- > > _____________________________________________________________________________________ > > > > Bart Kalita MCP > > > > Registered Linux User #347493 Fedora Core 3 test 1 > > > > http://www.bart-domain.com > > > > http://astradine.no-ip.org > > Looks nice! :D > > Really cool - only prob. as far as i can se is that they migth be a bit > "fancy" beckause of huge contrasts and bright colours - ie. distracting > etc. But my vote is to include them - but not as default! > > Good job. > > Kyrre Ness Sj?b?k > > -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Screenshot-3 Type: image/jpeg Size: 25427 bytes Desc: not available URL: From angela at kahealani.com Mon Aug 30 07:04:09 2004 From: angela at kahealani.com (Angela Kahealani) Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2004 21:04:09 -1000 Subject: Fedora-desktop-list Digest, Vol 6, Issue 23 In-Reply-To: <1093845045.9522.1.camel@> References: <20040826160017.640EC737EE@hormel.redhat.com> <1093716086.2655.5.camel@kyrre> <1093845045.9522.1.camel@> Message-ID: <200408292104.09041.angela@kahealani.com> On Sunday 2004-08-29 19:50, Rubi Sutanto wrote: > Helo guys, I had made a wallpaper, could you guys give a comment, > sugestion, and criticsm for my art work. (I hope this wallpaper could > bundle with fedora core 3 :D ) It makes me sick. It uses both a MacOS Trademarked Logo, and names the disk drives as per WinDOwS. But then I don't think ANY desktop artwork is worth a damn, because I have no use for a desktop in the first place.. it's the ONE totally dysfunctional "window" that you can't bring to the top of the stack. I access everything from menues, from auto-hiding function bars that popup over every other window, and basically never see my desktop. But in the rare circumstances I do see my desktop I for sure don't want to see anything that would make me think I'm dealing with either Steve or Bill's creations. -- Copyright 2004 Angela Kahealani. All rights reserved without prejudice; UCC1-207. All information and transactions are non negotiable and are private between the parties. http://www.kahealani.com/ From markmc at redhat.com Mon Aug 30 07:17:44 2004 From: markmc at redhat.com (Mark McLoughlin) Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 08:17:44 +0100 Subject: desktop backgrounds [was Re: Fedora-desktop-list Digest, Vol 6, Issue 23] In-Reply-To: <200408292104.09041.angela@kahealani.com> References: <20040826160017.640EC737EE@hormel.redhat.com> <1093716086.2655.5.camel@kyrre> <1093845045.9522.1.camel@> <200408292104.09041.angela@kahealani.com> Message-ID: <1093850263.4149.17.camel@localhost.localdomain> Hi, On Mon, 2004-08-30 at 08:04, Angela Kahealani wrote: > On Sunday 2004-08-29 19:50, Rubi Sutanto wrote: > > Helo guys, I had made a wallpaper, could you guys give a comment, > > sugestion, and criticsm for my art work. (I hope this wallpaper could > > bundle with fedora core 3 :D ) > > It makes me sick. It uses both a MacOS Trademarked Logo, > and names the disk drives as per WinDOwS. You're referring to the icons on the desktop, not the desktop background which Rubi was looking for comments on. > But then I don't > think ANY desktop artwork is worth a damn, because I have > no use for a desktop in the first place.. it's the ONE > totally dysfunctional "window" that you can't bring to the > top of the stack. I access everything from menues, from > auto-hiding function bars that popup over every other window, > and basically never see my desktop. But in the rare circumstances > I do see my desktop I for sure don't want to see anything that would > make me think I'm dealing with either Steve or Bill's creations. Please keep rants like this to yourself. Thanks, Mark. From angela at kahealani.com Mon Aug 30 07:30:26 2004 From: angela at kahealani.com (Angela Kahealani) Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2004 21:30:26 -1000 Subject: desktop backgrounds [was Re: Fedora-desktop-list Digest, Vol 6, Issue 23] In-Reply-To: <1093850263.4149.17.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <20040826160017.640EC737EE@hormel.redhat.com> <200408292104.09041.angela@kahealani.com> <1093850263.4149.17.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <200408292130.26692.angela@kahealani.com> On Sunday 2004-08-29 21:17, Mark McLoughlin wrote: > Hi, > > On Mon, 2004-08-30 at 08:04, Angela Kahealani wrote: > > On Sunday 2004-08-29 19:50, Rubi Sutanto wrote: > > > Helo guys, I had made a wallpaper, could you guys give a comment, > > > sugestion, and criticsm for my art work. (I hope this wallpaper > > > could bundle with fedora core 3 :D ) > > > > It makes me sick. It uses both a MacOS Trademarked Logo, > > and names the disk drives as per WinDOwS. > > You're referring to the icons on the desktop, not the desktop > background which Rubi was looking for comments on. I looked at what he sent to us. > Please keep rants like this to yourself. He said: "could you guys give a comment". I did. It's off topic. Artwork is NOT Fedora specific. Keep OFF-TOPIC e-mail out of my Fedora mailing list subscription! -- Copyright 2004 Angela Kahealani. All rights reserved without prejudice; UCC1-207. All information and transactions are non negotiable and are private between the parties. http://www.kahealani.com/ From markmc at redhat.com Mon Aug 30 07:51:55 2004 From: markmc at redhat.com (Mark McLoughlin) Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 08:51:55 +0100 Subject: desktop backgrounds [was Re: Fedora-desktop-list Digest, Vol 6, Issue 23] In-Reply-To: <200408292130.26692.angela@kahealani.com> References: <20040826160017.640EC737EE@hormel.redhat.com> <200408292104.09041.angela@kahealani.com> <1093850263.4149.17.camel@localhost.localdomain> <200408292130.26692.angela@kahealani.com> Message-ID: <1093852314.4149.26.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Mon, 2004-08-30 at 08:30, Angela Kahealani wrote: > On Sunday 2004-08-29 21:17, Mark McLoughlin wrote: > > Hi, > > > > On Mon, 2004-08-30 at 08:04, Angela Kahealani wrote: > > > On Sunday 2004-08-29 19:50, Rubi Sutanto wrote: > > > > Helo guys, I had made a wallpaper, could you guys give a comment, > > > > sugestion, and criticsm for my art work. (I hope this wallpaper > > > > could bundle with fedora core 3 :D ) > > > > > > It makes me sick. It uses both a MacOS Trademarked Logo, > > > and names the disk drives as per WinDOwS. > > > > You're referring to the icons on the desktop, not the desktop > > background which Rubi was looking for comments on. > > I looked at what he sent to us. ... and ignored what he specifically asked for comments on. > > Please keep rants like this to yourself. > > He said: "could you guys give a comment". I did. > It's off topic. Artwork is NOT Fedora specific. > Keep OFF-TOPIC e-mail out of my Fedora mailing list subscription! Excuse me? [markmc at blaa markmc]$ rpm -q redhat-artwork redhat-artwork-0.98-1 [markmc at blaa markmc]$ rpm -qf /usr/share/backgrounds/images/default.png desktop-backgrounds-basic-2.0-21 Fedora has its own artwork, Rubi suggested a new desktop background, you ranted about the icons on his desktop. Good Luck, Mark. From angela at kahealani.com Mon Aug 30 08:14:50 2004 From: angela at kahealani.com (Angela Kahealani) Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2004 22:14:50 -1000 Subject: desktop backgrounds [was Re: Fedora-desktop-list Digest, Vol 6, Issue 23] In-Reply-To: <1093852314.4149.26.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <20040826160017.640EC737EE@hormel.redhat.com> <200408292130.26692.angela@kahealani.com> <1093852314.4149.26.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <200408292214.50192.angela@kahealani.com> On Sunday 2004-08-29 21:51, Mark McLoughlin wrote: > Fedora has its own artwork, Rubi suggested a new desktop background, > you ranted about the icons on his desktop. I did not rant... you passed judgement upon my opinion that it was a "rant". He asked for OPINIONS, I gave mine. He got what he asked for. As for "desktop"s, the best desktop is a simple neutral 50% grey... it's the ONLY background that will not pollute your color perception of anything else showing on the screen. If you're not doing serious color sensitive work, but merely like eye-candy, then you're dealing with very personal preferences, and have forsaken color correct perception. If you're editing / color correcting graphics or video, you need a neutral grey surround, and monitor color temperature calibration and gamma compensation appropriate for the target medium, either print or NTSC video or computer video. So, artwork on the desktop cannot be taken seriously, as any serious rational approach can only lead where I went in the previous paragraph. Therefore, as someone once said: "I don't know much about art, but I do know what I like". Rubi solicited opinions, and got what he asked for. Art being non rational and of widely varying tastes, it's no wonder that most "desktop" software ships with a wide variety of sample backgrounds, so yeah, go ahead and include it as one of those. Great. My desktop will remain a rarely seen neutral 50% grey, mostly only seen as a surround for Gimp work when I bother to hide all other open windows in order to obtain collor correct perception of what I'm editing in the Gimp. If Rubi wants an evaluation of the artwork, it would be better to send it without iconic overlays, allowing us to install and test it on our own desktops... but as he submitted it to us, it WAS a piece of artwork that included a TradeMarked icon that could not be conveniently or easily removed for evaluation of the art on its' own merit. Icons invoke associations. Include them in artwork upon which opinions are requested, and the opinion will be colored with the association invoked by the icon, just as a non grey surround alters color perception of an image in a window that does not fill the screen. Are we having fun yet? -- Copyright 2004 Angela Kahealani. All rights reserved without prejudice; UCC1-207. All information and transactions are non negotiable and are private between the parties. http://www.kahealani.com/ From xsos1982 at yahoo.com.sg Mon Aug 30 10:10:02 2004 From: xsos1982 at yahoo.com.sg (Rubi Sutanto) Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 17:10:02 +0700 Subject: desktop backgrounds [was Re: Fedora-desktop-list Digest, Vol 6, Issue 23] In-Reply-To: <200408292214.50192.angela@kahealani.com> References: <20040826160017.640EC737EE@hormel.redhat.com> <200408292130.26692.angela@kahealani.com> <1093852314.4149.26.camel@localhost.localdomain> <200408292214.50192.angela@kahealani.com> Message-ID: <1093860602.13680.2.camel@> Helo I want to sorry to all, I only want you guys give me a comment to my wallpaper not my desktop, cause i only download the themes and use it in my desktop except wallpaper that i made my selft, sory i think the screenshoot the desktop will be better than only wallpaper that i attach, once agai i'm sorry if you guys don't like my desktop themes. once again i'm only want a commnent for my wallpaper not the desktop themes thanks again. On Sun, 2004-08-29 at 22:14 -1000, Angela Kahealani wrote: > On Sunday 2004-08-29 21:51, Mark McLoughlin wrote: > > Fedora has its own artwork, Rubi suggested a new desktop background, > > you ranted about the icons on his desktop. > > I did not rant... you passed judgement upon my opinion that it was a > "rant". He asked for OPINIONS, I gave mine. He got what he asked for. > > As for "desktop"s, the best desktop is a simple neutral 50% grey... > it's the ONLY background that will not pollute your color perception of > anything else showing on the screen. If you're not doing serious color > sensitive work, but merely like eye-candy, then you're dealing with > very personal preferences, and have forsaken color correct perception. > If you're editing / color correcting graphics or video, you need a > neutral grey surround, and monitor color temperature calibration and > gamma compensation appropriate for the target medium, either print or > NTSC video or computer video. > > So, artwork on the desktop cannot be taken seriously, as any serious > rational approach can only lead where I went in the previous paragraph. > Therefore, as someone once said: "I don't know much about art, but I do > know what I like". Rubi solicited opinions, and got what he asked for. > Art being non rational and of widely varying tastes, it's no wonder > that most "desktop" software ships with a wide variety of sample > backgrounds, so yeah, go ahead and include it as one of those. Great. > > My desktop will remain a rarely seen neutral 50% grey, mostly only seen > as a surround for Gimp work when I bother to hide all other open > windows in order to obtain collor correct perception of what I'm > editing in the Gimp. > > If Rubi wants an evaluation of the artwork, it would be better to send > it without iconic overlays, allowing us to install and test it on our > own desktops... but as he submitted it to us, it WAS a piece of artwork > that included a TradeMarked icon that could not be conveniently or > easily removed for evaluation of the art on its' own merit. > > Icons invoke associations. Include them in artwork upon which opinions > are requested, and the opinion will be colored with the association > invoked by the icon, just as a non grey surround alters color > perception of an image in a window that does not fill the screen. > > Are we having fun yet? > > -- > Copyright 2004 Angela Kahealani. All rights reserved without prejudice; > UCC1-207. All information and transactions are non negotiable and are > private between the parties. http://www.kahealani.com/ > > From xsos1982 at yahoo.com.sg Mon Aug 30 10:23:39 2004 From: xsos1982 at yahoo.com.sg (Rubi Sutanto) Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 17:23:39 +0700 Subject: desktop backgrounds [was Re: Fedora-desktop-list Digest, Vol 6, Issue 23] In-Reply-To: <200408292214.50192.angela@kahealani.com> References: <20040826160017.640EC737EE@hormel.redhat.com> <200408292130.26692.angela@kahealani.com> <1093852314.4149.26.camel@localhost.localdomain> <200408292214.50192.angela@kahealani.com> Message-ID: <1093861419.13680.7.camel@> This is my wallapaper please a comment, sorry with all i have done. I'm a newbie linux user. On Sun, 2004-08-29 at 22:14 -1000, Angela Kahealani wrote: > On Sunday 2004-08-29 21:51, Mark McLoughlin wrote: > > Fedora has its own artwork, Rubi suggested a new desktop background, > > you ranted about the icons on his desktop. > > I did not rant... you passed judgement upon my opinion that it was a > "rant". He asked for OPINIONS, I gave mine. He got what he asked for. > > As for "desktop"s, the best desktop is a simple neutral 50% grey... > it's the ONLY background that will not pollute your color perception of > anything else showing on the screen. If you're not doing serious color > sensitive work, but merely like eye-candy, then you're dealing with > very personal preferences, and have forsaken color correct perception. > If you're editing / color correcting graphics or video, you need a > neutral grey surround, and monitor color temperature calibration and > gamma compensation appropriate for the target medium, either print or > NTSC video or computer video. > > So, artwork on the desktop cannot be taken seriously, as any serious > rational approach can only lead where I went in the previous paragraph. > Therefore, as someone once said: "I don't know much about art, but I do > know what I like". Rubi solicited opinions, and got what he asked for. > Art being non rational and of widely varying tastes, it's no wonder > that most "desktop" software ships with a wide variety of sample > backgrounds, so yeah, go ahead and include it as one of those. Great. > > My desktop will remain a rarely seen neutral 50% grey, mostly only seen > as a surround for Gimp work when I bother to hide all other open > windows in order to obtain collor correct perception of what I'm > editing in the Gimp. > > If Rubi wants an evaluation of the artwork, it would be better to send > it without iconic overlays, allowing us to install and test it on our > own desktops... but as he submitted it to us, it WAS a piece of artwork > that included a TradeMarked icon that could not be conveniently or > easily removed for evaluation of the art on its' own merit. > > Icons invoke associations. Include them in artwork upon which opinions > are requested, and the opinion will be colored with the association > invoked by the icon, just as a non grey surround alters color > perception of an image in a window that does not fill the screen. > > Are we having fun yet? > > -- > Copyright 2004 Angela Kahealani. All rights reserved without prejudice; > UCC1-207. All information and transactions are non negotiable and are > private between the parties. http://www.kahealani.com/ > > -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Blue-Steel.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 26032 bytes Desc: not available URL: From angela at kahealani.com Mon Aug 30 11:11:32 2004 From: angela at kahealani.com (Angela Kahealani) Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 01:11:32 -1000 Subject: desktop backgrounds In-Reply-To: <1093861419.13680.7.camel@> References: <20040826160017.640EC737EE@hormel.redhat.com> <200408292214.50192.angela@kahealani.com> <1093861419.13680.7.camel@> Message-ID: <200408300111.32464.angela@kahealani.com> On Monday 2004-08-30 00:23, Rubi Sutanto wrote: > This is my wallapaper please a comment Hey, that's a pretty blue curve! However, if you remove the "3" it will be usable on ALL versions of Fedora Core, not just FC3. -- Copyright 2004 Angela Kahealani. All rights reserved without prejudice; UCC1-207. All information and transactions are non negotiable and are private between the parties. http://www.kahealani.com/ From kasey at cornerspeed.com Mon Aug 30 13:28:07 2004 From: kasey at cornerspeed.com (Kasey Speakman) Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 08:28:07 -0500 (CDT) Subject: desktop backgrounds In-Reply-To: <200408300111.32464.angela@kahealani.com> References: <20040826160017.640EC737EE@hormel.redhat.com><200408292214.50192.angela@kahealani.com><1093861419.13680.7.camel@> <200408300111.32464.angela@kahealani.com> Message-ID: <32814.66.0.246.161.1093872487.spork@webmail.cornerspeed.com> Interesting discussion that I get to start the list with. Your desktop background is GREAT Rubi. You did a wonderful job on it. Kasey > On Monday 2004-08-30 00:23, Rubi Sutanto wrote: >> This is my wallapaper please a comment > > Hey, that's a pretty blue curve! > However, if you remove the "3" it will be usable on ALL versions of > Fedora Core, not just FC3. > > -- > Copyright 2004 Angela Kahealani. All rights reserved without prejudice; > UCC1-207. All information and transactions are non negotiable and are > private between the parties. http://www.kahealani.com/ > > > -- > Fedora-desktop-list mailing list > Fedora-desktop-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-desktop-list > From xsos1982 at yahoo.com.sg Mon Aug 30 15:33:13 2004 From: xsos1982 at yahoo.com.sg (Rubi Sutanto) Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 22:33:13 +0700 Subject: desktop backgrounds In-Reply-To: <32814.66.0.246.161.1093872487.spork@webmail.cornerspeed.com> References: <20040826160017.640EC737EE@hormel.redhat.com> <200408292214.50192.angela@kahealani.com><1093861419.13680.7.camel@> <200408300111.32464.angela@kahealani.com> <32814.66.0.246.161.1093872487.spork@webmail.cornerspeed.com> Message-ID: <1093879993.1963.5.camel@> Hello All, Thanks for the support, soon i will make a splash screen, for 1600 x 1200 you guys could download it from www.kde-look.org / www.gnome-look.org or in fedoraforum.org gallery. for Angela i'll make fedora core version by remove 3 from the wallpaper, if had done i'll send to you email :) and for GDM it think i will have trouble with the script, and it will take a long time to built it and the icons i need more practice :) thanks again :) If you guys want to see another version from my wallpaper you could search in kde-look.org and gnome-look.org with xsos as keyword in form provide by: GBU On Mon, 2004-08-30 at 08:28 -0500, Kasey Speakman wrote: > Interesting discussion that I get to start the list with. > > Your desktop background is GREAT Rubi. You did a wonderful job on it. > > Kasey > > > On Monday 2004-08-30 00:23, Rubi Sutanto wrote: > >> This is my wallapaper please a comment > > > > Hey, that's a pretty blue curve! > > However, if you remove the "3" it will be usable on ALL versions of > > Fedora Core, not just FC3. > > > > -- > > Copyright 2004 Angela Kahealani. All rights reserved without prejudice; > > UCC1-207. All information and transactions are non negotiable and are > > private between the parties. http://www.kahealani.com/ > > > > > > -- > > Fedora-desktop-list mailing list > > Fedora-desktop-list at redhat.com > > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-desktop-list > > > > > > From felipe_alfaro at linuxmail.org Tue Aug 31 01:25:53 2004 From: felipe_alfaro at linuxmail.org (Felipe Alfaro Solana) Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2004 02:25:53 +0100 Subject: Terminal services prototype Message-ID: <20040831012554.07D1F3AA515@ws5-8.us4.outblaze.com> Hi! What has happened to the terminal services prototype that Mark McLoughlin published on his homepage http:// people.redhat.com/markmc/terminal-services-demo? The webpage is no longer there and I'm still interested on this. Thanks! -- ______________________________________________ Check out the latest SMS services @ http://www.linuxmail.org This allows you to send and receive SMS through your mailbox. Powered by Outblaze From markmc at redhat.com Tue Aug 31 06:54:48 2004 From: markmc at redhat.com (Mark McLoughlin) Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2004 07:54:48 +0100 Subject: Terminal services prototype In-Reply-To: <20040831012554.07D1F3AA515@ws5-8.us4.outblaze.com> References: <20040831012554.07D1F3AA515@ws5-8.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <1093935288.25323.35.camel@localhost.localdomain> Hi, On Tue, 2004-08-31 at 02:25, Felipe Alfaro Solana wrote: > Hi! > > What has happened to the terminal services prototype that Mark McLoughlin published on his homepage http:// > people.redhat.com/markmc/terminal-services-demo? The webpage is no longer there and I'm still interested on this. So, the latest status is that I wrote this: http://www.gnome.org/~markmc/remote-desktop-2.html The latest patches are here: http://www.gnome.org/~markmc/code/gdm-vnc-support.patch http://www.gnome.org/~markmc/code/vnc-managed.patch http://www.gnome.org/~markmc/code/vnc-tls.patch And pretty much nothing has been happening with it in the last couple of months due to lack of time. At GUADEC I sat down for a few hours with George Lebl (GDM maintainer) reviewing the code so I've a bunch of notes on stuff that needs to be fixed up before the GDM patch can go upstream. George also pointed out the fact that the authentication mechanism is very heavy (a VNC server and GDM greeter gets launched per-connection) so this design is vulnerable to denial of service attacks. Now, XDMCP is vulnerable in the same way so maybe its not a huge issue, but I think before I'd go any further with the original design I'd investigate whether we could do something like authenticate using SSH and then secure the connection by using an SSH tunnel. However, long term for terminal services I think we'll be looking at using something like NX[1] to improve networked X performance. The nice thing about authenticating/tunnelling with SSH is that it would be equally applicable to NX as to VNC. HTH, Mark. [1] - http://www.gnome.org/~markmc/a-look-at-nomachine-nx.html