Fedora-desktop-list Digest, Vol 6, Issue 11

Kyrre Ness Sjobak kyrre at solution-forge.net
Fri Aug 13 10:05:47 UTC 2004


> Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 12:50:09 -0400
> From: David Malcolm <dmalcolm at redhat.com>
> Subject: Re: RFE: User-Understandable Default folders in Home
> 	Directory
> To: Discussions about development for the Fedora desktop
> 	<fedora-desktop-list at redhat.com>
> Message-ID: <1092243010.29641.20.camel at cassandra.boston.redhat.com>
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> On Wed, 2004-08-11 at 00:57 +1000, Stewart Smith wrote:
> > a bit like what OSX has, i've been thinking that a set of default
> > folders (with some cool icons) could help users a bit.
> 
> I do something like this on my own folders at home, using emblems.
> 
> I broadly like your idea (with some caveats concerning Evolution, see
> below), though in the blue-sky future perhaps we'll all be using Storage
> to organise our stuff, rather than this 20th century directory-based
> technology :-)
> (see http://www.gnome.org/~seth/storage/ )
> 

Woow! Is this in for gnome 3 or something? It would certainly require a
tour, but HOLY ****! Gnome starts to look better than looking glass (any
chance of this being shipped with fc3?)

Usefull to. And the evo integration looks nice :p
> 
> > I've put this up at :
> > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=129564
> > 
> > simply so it's kinda 1/2 officially tracked, and in the future, people
> > with the same idea can (easily) find some track of discussion....
> > 
> > I propose adding the following to the /etc/skel for new users, with
> > funky icons on the folders to help increasing the clarity of where
> > things are and some hints on helping them organise things.
> > 
> > Note that with the introduction of things like ~/Contacts/, ~/Mail/
> > and ~/Settings, this gives the user a clear picture of where things
> > are, and what things are important to back up (if they so choose).
> > 
> > Some users may just see their mail as important, and not care about
> > contacts or music. Others may see Contacts, Mail, Settings and
> > Documents as important and can just (easily! with nautilus-cd-burner)
> > write these to CD for backup.
> > 
> > ~/Contacts - where evolution stores contacts, with human-readable file
> > names (e.g. "Firstname Lastname.vcf" or something).
> 
> Currently Evolution 1.5.* stores its data (contacts, calendar, email
> etc) below the ~/.evolution directory and in GConf, and makes various
> assumptions about the layout of the ~/.evolution directory.  Evolution
> could be changed to follow this proposal for "local contacts" (as
> opposed to contacts found on e.g. a shared corporate LDAP database), but
> it'd be non-trivial.
> 

What? How do i transfer my mail that is currently in my evo folder? I
dont want to loose it!

Only thing kept in .evolution before was passwords and mailservers
etc...

And there is another thing: Saving local mail in a non-hidden folder
make shure its not deleted when somebody runs "rm -rf .*" in your
homedir - such as I did to my users when upgrading from rh9 to fc1 and
fc1 to fc2. I think bookmarks also should be saved that way.

> A better way of accessing the contact information might be to use
> evolution-data-server API; this should handle nasty details such as file
> locking for you.
> 
> If what you're really looking for is a sane way for home users to backup
> this data, I think a specialised tool could be written that knows about
> the various kinds of data that are stored on your computer
> (configuration settings, contents of home directory etc) and can display
> them in a good UI, tell you how big the backup is going to be etc, and
> maybe create ISO files ready to be burned to CD for you.
> 
> > ~/Desktop - same as it is now, the contents of the users desktop.
> > ~/Documents - a suggested location for documents (and the default save
> > location for applications such as OpenOffice)
> > ~/Mail - where Evolution stores it's mail.
> 
> Again, Evolution makes all kinds of assumptions about the layout of its
> mail directory; it's not something I'd want to expose to end users.
> Thankfully with Evo 1.5.* this is now in ~/.evolution, rather than
> ~/evolution as it used to be before, so it's not quite as in-your-face
> as before.
> 
> > ~/Movies - for the kick-ass iMovie type thing that we so need.
> 
> Yes please!
> 
> > ~/Music - Music Player's place to put music!
> 

Looks like the storage guys liked divX...

> Good idea IMHO
> 
> > ~/Photos - Gthumb's place to go, and the digital camera tool!
> 
> Also a good idea IMHO
> 
> > ~/Web Pages - ==public_html (and shared by apache, if installed).
> 
> Nice idea.  Though you'd have to have some extra control panel applets
> to do things like turning apache on/off etc and punch through the
> firewall, or people could get confused.
> 
> > 
> > I have no real expectation taht this will make Core3 in any complete
> > way, but is a good talking point and UI suggestion. This will make it
> > easier for users.

Another point: Webbrowsing. Today FC uses moz - which has a nice engine
etc. But Epiphany is still better integrated with Gnome (and no
difference when talking HTML engine): Why not use this as the standard
web-browser instead?

Only prob. as far as i can see, is that neither moz or epiphany has a
user-friendly way to select which printer you want to use. Whic is...
BAD!





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