From pbhat at ongc.net Sun Apr 3 12:07:18 2005 From: pbhat at ongc.net (Parameshwara Bhat) Date: Sun, 03 Apr 2005 17:37:18 +0530 Subject: Can't connect to internet though Link is up Message-ID: ellao All, This is not exactly a Fedora issue.But knowledgeable on linux can help me. I was trying a Live CD distro.I could set my ADSL connection on it fine.I can see with 'ifconfig' the link 'ppp0' and can ping to both local and remote IPs listed there.'pppd' is constantly running. But I can't connect to internet,even as root.I have checked through pppd options and removed any settings that looked suspicious(rolled back). What is standing between browser and kernel(network route)? How can I know? Could somebody suggest how I should proceed checking further ? Regards, Parameshwara Bhat From anto.montagnani at virgilio.it Sun Apr 3 13:44:23 2005 From: anto.montagnani at virgilio.it (Antonio Montagnani) Date: Sun, 03 Apr 2005 15:44:23 +0200 Subject: Can't connect to internet though Link is up In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <424FF337.8040308@virgilio.it> Parameshwara Bhat said the following on 03/04/2005 14:07: > ellao All, > > This is not exactly a Fedora issue.But knowledgeable on linux can help > me. > > I was trying a Live CD distro.I could set my ADSL connection on it > fine.I can see with 'ifconfig' the link 'ppp0' and can ping to both > local and remote IPs listed there.'pppd' is constantly running. > > But I can't connect to internet,even as root.I have checked through > pppd options and removed any settings that looked suspicious(rolled > back). What is standing between browser and kernel(network route)? > How can I know? > > Could somebody suggest how I should proceed checking further ? > > Regards, > Parameshwara Bhat > How did you set DNS??? -- Antonio Montagnani ================================================================================ Mail by Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 Websurfing by Mozilla Firefox 1.0 http://start.mozilla.org/firefox?client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla:it-IT:official ================================================================================ Posta con Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 Navigazione con Mozilla Firefox 1.0 http://start.mozilla.org/firefox?client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla:it-IT:official ================================================================================ From pbhat at ongc.net Tue Apr 5 06:13:41 2005 From: pbhat at ongc.net (Parameshwara Bhat) Date: Tue, 05 Apr 2005 11:43:41 +0530 Subject: Fedora-desktop-list Digest, Vol 14, Issue 1 In-Reply-To: <20050403160007.9652673832@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20050403160007.9652673832@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: On Sun, 3 Apr 2005 12:00:07 -0400 (EDT), wrote: > Date: Sun, 03 Apr 2005 15:44:23 +0200 > From: Antonio Montagnani > Subject: Re: Can't connect to internet though Link is up > To: Discussions about development for the Fedora desktop > > Message-ID: <424FF337.8040308 at virgilio.it> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed > > Parameshwara Bhat said the following on 03/04/2005 14:07: > >> Hello All, >> >> This is not exactly a Fedora issue.But knowledgeable on linux can help >> me. >> >> I was trying a Live CD distro.I could set my ADSL connection on it >> fine.I can see with 'ifconfig' the link 'ppp0' and can ping to both >> local and remote IPs listed there.'pppd' is constantly running. >> >> But I can't connect to internet,even as root.I have checked through >> pppd options and removed any settings that looked suspicious(rolled >> back). What is standing between browser and kernel(network route)? >> How can I know? >> >> Could somebody suggest how I should proceed checking further ? >> >> Regards, >> Parameshwara Bhat >> > How did you set DNS??? In network configuration wizard. Parameshwara Bhat > -- Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/m2/ From pbhat at ongc.net Wed Apr 6 04:59:29 2005 From: pbhat at ongc.net (Parameshwara Bhat) Date: Wed, 06 Apr 2005 10:29:29 +0530 Subject: I just want one more option in the FC Kernels Message-ID: Hello List, My BIOS has 34 GB limit for hard-disks and I want the option IDE_DISK_STROKE set in kernel.Standard FC kernels do not have this set.So, I cannot access my data partition on second hard-disc.It also stopped me from installing Fedora on a larger partion on hdb. Setting this parameter doesn't add significant size to kernel.I do not understand why FC developers have opted out of this parameter. The minimum system requirement for FCs is PII systems and those are more likely to have BIOSes with this kind of limitation.Having this parameter set would in fact expand reach of Fedora. I would like this message coveyed to Fc developers.I am not a member of developers list.Would my mail to developers list will pass to the list? Parameshwara Bhat From davidz at redhat.com Wed Apr 6 15:15:33 2005 From: davidz at redhat.com (David Zeuthen) Date: Wed, 06 Apr 2005 11:15:33 -0400 Subject: I just want one more option in the FC Kernels In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1112800533.3479.12.camel@daxter.boston.redhat.com> Hi, On Wed, 2005-04-06 at 10:29 +0530, Parameshwara Bhat wrote: > I would like this message coveyed to Fc developers.I am not a member of > developers list.Would my mail to developers list will pass to the list? it sounds like you should file a bug against the kernel at https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/index.cgi Good luck, David From caolanm at redhat.com Wed Apr 6 20:04:24 2005 From: caolanm at redhat.com (Caolan McNamara) Date: Wed, 06 Apr 2005 20:04:24 +0000 Subject: sort of interesting, helixplayer in OOo Message-ID: <1112817864.16251.0.camel@sheol.homelinux.org> http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=41419 C. From sean.bruno at dsl-only.net Sat Apr 9 21:25:25 2005 From: sean.bruno at dsl-only.net (Sean Bruno) Date: Sat, 09 Apr 2005 14:25:25 -0700 Subject: Changes to firefox FC3 Message-ID: <1113081925.10963.1.camel@oscar.metro1.com> I was just diagnosing an issue with JavaScript versions for my university studies and noted that the version of JavaScript changed from the initial release of FC3 with the first update to firefox. Here is a short summary: rpm version JS version 1.0-2.fc3 1.5 1.0.1-1.3.1 1.4 1.0.1-1.3.2 1.4 1.0.2-1.3.1 1.4 Was this intentional, or is it something that should be fixed? Sean From davidz at redhat.com Sat Apr 9 22:15:12 2005 From: davidz at redhat.com (David Zeuthen) Date: Sat, 09 Apr 2005 18:15:12 -0400 Subject: Changes to firefox FC3 In-Reply-To: <1113081925.10963.1.camel@oscar.metro1.com> References: <1113081925.10963.1.camel@oscar.metro1.com> Message-ID: <1113084912.3453.22.camel@daxter.boston.redhat.com> On Sat, 2005-04-09 at 14:25 -0700, Sean Bruno wrote: > I was just diagnosing an issue with JavaScript versions for my > university studies and noted that the version of JavaScript changed from > the initial release of FC3 with the first update to firefox. When updating packages in Fedora, we usually bump to latest upstream version instead of back-porting fixes. So, yes, this is probably intentional. More information here http://fedora.redhat.com/about/rhel.html Cheers, David From sean.bruno at dsl-only.net Sat Apr 9 23:43:20 2005 From: sean.bruno at dsl-only.net (Sean Bruno) Date: Sat, 09 Apr 2005 16:43:20 -0700 Subject: Changes to firefox FC3 In-Reply-To: <1113084912.3453.22.camel@daxter.boston.redhat.com> References: <1113081925.10963.1.camel@oscar.metro1.com> <1113084912.3453.22.camel@daxter.boston.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1113090200.10963.6.camel@oscar.metro1.com> On Sat, 2005-04-09 at 18:15 -0400, David Zeuthen wrote: > On Sat, 2005-04-09 at 14:25 -0700, Sean Bruno wrote: > > I was just diagnosing an issue with JavaScript versions for my > > university studies and noted that the version of JavaScript changed from > > the initial release of FC3 with the first update to firefox. > > When updating packages in Fedora, we usually bump to latest upstream > version instead of back-porting fixes. So, yes, this is probably > intentional. More information here > > http://fedora.redhat.com/about/rhel.html > > Cheers, > David > Thanks. Just curious though, I grabbed the version of 1.0.2 from mozilla.org and it has JS 1.5 . I don't see anything in the release notes for any of the RPM's that would indicate a change in the version. So, I'm guessing that someone unintentionally changed the version when the package was built. Or maybe intentionally? Sean From mharris at www.linux.org.uk Sun Apr 10 06:32:14 2005 From: mharris at www.linux.org.uk (Mike A. Harris) Date: Sun, 10 Apr 2005 02:32:14 -0400 Subject: Changes to firefox FC3 In-Reply-To: <1113084912.3453.22.camel@daxter.boston.redhat.com> References: <1113081925.10963.1.camel@oscar.metro1.com> <1113084912.3453.22.camel@daxter.boston.redhat.com> Message-ID: <4258C86E.6040902@www.linux.org.uk> David Zeuthen wrote: > On Sat, 2005-04-09 at 14:25 -0700, Sean Bruno wrote: > >>I was just diagnosing an issue with JavaScript versions for my >>university studies and noted that the version of JavaScript changed from >>the initial release of FC3 with the first update to firefox. > > > When updating packages in Fedora, we usually bump to latest upstream > version instead of back-porting fixes. So, yes, this is probably > intentional. More information here > > http://fedora.redhat.com/about/rhel.html Reading the version numbers mentioned in the original mail in the thread, it would appear that the oldest firefox rpm mentioned contains the newest Javascript (1.5) and newer versions contain older Javascript (1.4). Sounds like a downgrade to me rather than an upgrade. I just noticed that and thought I'd point it out in case others saw it the other way around, which seems the case from other comments in the thread... From caillon at redhat.com Sun Apr 10 07:02:29 2005 From: caillon at redhat.com (Christopher Aillon) Date: Sun, 10 Apr 2005 03:02:29 -0400 Subject: Changes to firefox FC3 In-Reply-To: <1113081925.10963.1.camel@oscar.metro1.com> References: <1113081925.10963.1.camel@oscar.metro1.com> Message-ID: <4258CF85.7030204@redhat.com> Sean Bruno wrote: > I was just diagnosing an issue with JavaScript versions for my > university studies and noted that the version of JavaScript changed from > the initial release of FC3 with the first update to firefox. Out of curiosity, but how are you determining JavaScript versions? The JavaScript engine code has not changed much since 1.0, so your assertion very much surprises me. As a separate note, the JavaScript version distinction is largely irrelevant in today's browser world. In fact, its support is being removed completely from Firefox, as no other browser supports it. See https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=255895 From sean.bruno at dsl-only.net Sun Apr 10 18:37:39 2005 From: sean.bruno at dsl-only.net (Sean Bruno) Date: Sun, 10 Apr 2005 11:37:39 -0700 Subject: Changes to firefox FC3 In-Reply-To: <1113090200.10963.6.camel@oscar.metro1.com> References: <1113081925.10963.1.camel@oscar.metro1.com> <1113084912.3453.22.camel@daxter.boston.redhat.com> <1113090200.10963.6.camel@oscar.metro1.com> Message-ID: <1113158259.27704.11.camel@oscar.metro1.com> Rule #1: Define the problem prior to beginning a rant. Rule #2: See Rule #1 So, I violated the first rule of asking for help by not defining my issue. Let me attempt to give you folks ACTUAL information instead of just saying "it's broke!" I take on-line classes through the University of Maryland. They have a fancy web based interface that appears to "require" JavaScript 1.5 If your web browser doesn't support JS 1.5, you can login to their services, but some of the frames in their site will generate errors stating that you don't have the proper version of java script. They have a test page to see if your web browser supports JS 1.5 here: http://tychousa1.umuc.edu/sys/browserinfo.html This is the page that I used to determine the JS version as I am not savvy enough to poke through the firefox code to determine what version is in the application. This is how I came up with this table: rpm version JS version 1.0-2.fc3 1.5 1.0.1-1.3.1 1.4 1.0.1-1.3.2 1.4 1.0.2-1.3.1 1.4 I installed the various FC3 versions of firefox and clicked on the link above and wrote down the java script version that was detected. If I use the 1.0.2 from mozilla.org, I get JS version 1.5 which is different behavior from the the 1.0.2 from FC3. I believe this to be an issue with firefox in FC3, not an issue with firefox itself. Comments? Sean From caillon at redhat.com Mon Apr 11 06:33:08 2005 From: caillon at redhat.com (Christopher Aillon) Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2005 02:33:08 -0400 Subject: Changes to firefox FC3 In-Reply-To: <1113158259.27704.11.camel@oscar.metro1.com> References: <1113081925.10963.1.camel@oscar.metro1.com> <1113084912.3453.22.camel@daxter.boston.redhat.com> <1113090200.10963.6.camel@oscar.metro1.com> <1113158259.27704.11.camel@oscar.metro1.com> Message-ID: <425A1A24.4050103@redhat.com> Sean Bruno wrote: > Rule #1: Define the problem prior to beginning a rant. > Rule #2: See Rule #1 > > So, I violated the first rule of asking for help by not defining my > issue. Let me attempt to give you folks ACTUAL information instead of > just saying "it's broke!" > > I take on-line classes through the University of Maryland. They have a > fancy web based interface that appears to "require" JavaScript 1.5 > > If your web browser doesn't support JS 1.5, you can login to their > services, but some of the frames in their site will generate errors > stating that you don't have the proper version of java script. > > They have a test page to see if your web browser supports JS 1.5 here: > http://tychousa1.umuc.edu/sys/browserinfo.html Their script to detect this is broken: http://tychousa1.umuc.edu/js/browsercheck.js this.fx = ((agt.indexOf('mozilla/5')!=-1) && (agt.indexOf('spoofer')==-1) && (agt.indexOf('compatible')==-1) && (agt.indexOf('opera')==-1) && (agt.indexOf('webtv')==-1) && (agt.indexOf('hotjava')==-1) && (this.gecko) && (navigator.vendor=="Firefox")); They check that the vendor is "Firefox" which is not always true. For FC3, it is "Fedora". The fact that FIrefox 1.0 used a vendor string for "Firefox" is actually broken behavior, which I filed upstream a bit ago, and will be fixed in Firefox 1.1 (its already checked into cvs HEAD), so their script will not work as they expect in Firefox 1.1 as it is. Additionally, they are not even testing JavaScript versions, but rather just looking for a few browsers, so their test is going to be flawed by definition. > > This is the page that I used to determine the JS version as I am not > savvy enough to poke through the firefox code to determine what version > is in the application. This is how I came up with this table: > > rpm version JS version > 1.0-2.fc3 1.5 > 1.0.1-1.3.1 1.4 > 1.0.1-1.3.2 1.4 > 1.0.2-1.3.1 1.4 > > I installed the various FC3 versions of firefox and clicked on the link > above and wrote down the java script version that was detected. If I > use the 1.0.2 from mozilla.org, I get JS version 1.5 which is different > behavior from the the 1.0.2 from FC3. > > I believe this to be an issue with firefox in FC3, not an issue with > firefox itself. Comments? Sorry to dissapoint you, but I'd recommend you talk to the web admin at your school instead. Usually most websites that do these sorts of checks have no good reason to do so, anyway. From sean.bruno at dsl-only.net Mon Apr 11 15:37:32 2005 From: sean.bruno at dsl-only.net (Sean Bruno) Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2005 08:37:32 -0700 Subject: Changes to firefox FC3 In-Reply-To: <425A1A24.4050103@redhat.com> References: <1113081925.10963.1.camel@oscar.metro1.com> <1113084912.3453.22.camel@daxter.boston.redhat.com> <1113090200.10963.6.camel@oscar.metro1.com> <1113158259.27704.11.camel@oscar.metro1.com> <425A1A24.4050103@redhat.com> Message-ID: <1113233852.27704.26.camel@oscar.metro1.com> On Mon, 2005-04-11 at 02:33 -0400, Christopher Aillon wrote: > Their script to detect this is broken: > > http://tychousa1.umuc.edu/js/browsercheck.js > > this.fx = ((agt.indexOf('mozilla/5')!=-1) && (agt.indexOf('spoofer')==-1) && > (agt.indexOf('compatible')==-1) && (agt.indexOf('opera')==-1) && > (agt.indexOf('webtv')==-1) && (agt.indexOf('hotjava')==-1) && > (this.gecko) && (navigator.vendor=="Firefox")); > > They check that the vendor is "Firefox" which is not always true. For FC3, it is "Fedora". The fact that FIrefox 1.0 used a vendor string for "Firefox" is actually broken behavior, which I filed upstream a bit ago, and will be fixed in Firefox 1.1 (its already checked into cvs HEAD), so their script will not work as they expect in Firefox 1.1 as it is. Additionally, they are not even testing JavaScript versions, but rather just looking for a few browsers, so their test is going to be flawed by definition. > > Sorry to dissapoint you, but I'd recommend you talk to the web admin at your school instead. Usually most websites that do these sorts of checks have no good reason to do so, anyway. > No disappointment here. At least I have an idea where the issue is and what to do about it. For the time being, I will have to use the version from mozilla.org. But I have a couple of years to go, and I will attempt to get the web admins to "fix" their issue. Thanks for the guidance and patience. Sean From dewaalk at weathersa.co.za Mon Apr 11 13:52:40 2005 From: dewaalk at weathersa.co.za (Karel De Waal) Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2005 15:52:40 +0200 Subject: Problem to DISPLAY from own PROGRAM with FC3 Message-ID: <001101c53e9d$bb330dc0$5195a8c0@BM11> Good day Help Please! I'm having problems with Fedora 3 and CentOS4 to send output to graphical display from my own programs. I'm running from csh and "setenv DISPLAY :0.0" or "setenv DISPLAY localhost:0.0". Even set "xhost +" but no go just get permition denied from the X server. Can any one help me with this one. Regards Karel PJ de Waal (SAWS - ICT) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From phiggins at nature.berkeley.edu Mon Apr 11 20:10:42 2005 From: phiggins at nature.berkeley.edu (Paul Higgins) Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2005 13:10:42 -0700 Subject: Failure to Wake Up Message-ID: <5.1.1.5.2.20050411131040.021a77a0@nature.berkeley.edu> I'm trying to run a model simulation over night in linux (Fedora Core2) but my computer goes to sleep without mouse or keyboard input and then fails to wake up. My biosis has S1 and S3 power management options so it appears that I cannot turn power management off completely. Does anyone know a solution? Set up for my machine: Dell Dimension 2400 running Bios version A05 Power Management option set to S3 Pentium IV Linux Redhat Fedora Core 2 (dual boot with Windows XP) Thanks, Paul ****************************************** Paul Higgins Visiting Research Fellow The University of California Berkeley, CA 94720-3110 phone: (510) 717-4088 http://nature.berkeley.edu/~phiggins From sean.bruno at dsl-only.net Mon Apr 11 21:27:33 2005 From: sean.bruno at dsl-only.net (Sean Bruno) Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2005 14:27:33 -0700 Subject: Evolution auto user setup Message-ID: <1113254854.5111.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> Was curious if anyone has seen/used any kind of auto-setup scripts for large amounts of users. I have a couple of hundred pine/mutt users that I intend to move over to evolution sooner rather than later. I would like to create their email accounts automatically, and not have to setup each one seperately as they login. Sean From ralabate at gmail.com Tue Apr 12 02:29:59 2005 From: ralabate at gmail.com (Nick Ralabate) Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2005 22:29:59 -0400 Subject: Install Process Message-ID: <197d75c505041119292a8b52df@mail.gmail.com> Hi, I am trying to find the proper source for install program feedback. I think the install is great -- except when you are told which CDs you need and there is no back button, only reboot! I don't want to just complain though, I am interested in learning how to fix this problem. Who should I talk to? Regards, Nick From mattdm at mattdm.org Tue Apr 12 03:19:58 2005 From: mattdm at mattdm.org (Matthew Miller) Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2005 23:19:58 -0400 Subject: Install Process In-Reply-To: <197d75c505041119292a8b52df@mail.gmail.com> References: <197d75c505041119292a8b52df@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20050412031958.GA4305@jadzia.bu.edu> On Mon, Apr 11, 2005 at 10:29:59PM -0400, Nick Ralabate wrote: > I am trying to find the proper source for install program feedback. I > think the install is great -- except when you are told which CDs you > need and there is no back button, only reboot! I don't want to just > complain though, I am interested in learning how to fix this problem. > Who should I talk to? The installer is called "anaconda", and it has its own mailing list. -- Matthew Miller mattdm at mattdm.org Boston University Linux ------> From pmatilai at welho.com Tue Apr 12 05:29:52 2005 From: pmatilai at welho.com (Panu Matilainen) Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2005 08:29:52 +0300 (EEST) Subject: Evolution auto user setup In-Reply-To: <1113254854.5111.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1113254854.5111.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: On Mon, 11 Apr 2005, Sean Bruno wrote: > Was curious if anyone has seen/used any kind of auto-setup scripts for > large amounts of users. I have a couple of hundred pine/mutt users that > I intend to move over to evolution sooner rather than later. > > I would like to create their email accounts automatically, and not have > to setup each one seperately as they login. Me too. Evolution is pure evil from that perspective, it stores it's configuration in GConf - and if that wasn't bad enough: it stores XML in there :(( (have a look at 'gconftool-2 -R /apps/evolution' output) http://lists.ximian.com/archives/public/evolution/2005-February/041859.html has some info on the topic (and indeed this is probably best discussed on evolution lists) - Panu - From dmalcolm at redhat.com Tue Apr 12 18:34:15 2005 From: dmalcolm at redhat.com (David Malcolm) Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2005 14:34:15 -0400 Subject: Evolution auto user setup In-Reply-To: <1113254854.5111.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1113254854.5111.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1113330856.5262.89.camel@cassandra.boston.redhat.com> On Mon, 2005-04-11 at 14:27 -0700, Sean Bruno wrote: > Was curious if anyone has seen/used any kind of auto-setup scripts for > large amounts of users. I have a couple of hundred pine/mutt users that > I intend to move over to evolution sooner rather than later. > > I would like to create their email accounts automatically, and not have > to setup each one seperately as they login. > > Sean I've written some Python scripts to make it easier to work with Evolution's configuration information, in the hope of automating mass deployments of Evolution. A source RPM is available here: http://people.redhat.com/dmalcolm/evolution-gconf-tools/ There's perhaps some overlap here with Sabayon [1]; however these take a simpler approach and don't involve a nested X session. Here's a HOWTO-style guide: How to get this working: ======================== You should set up a prototype/test user on one machine, and get Evolution working well for that user with whatever server(s) are needed. You then grab the configuration information for Evolution from GConf as an XML file thus: gconftool-2 --dump /apps/evolution > some-file.xml evolution-gconf-log =================== If you look at one of these XML files in a regular file viewer it will be almost unreadable (it contains further XML data in an "escaped form" internally). I wrote evolution-gconf-log to present this data in a more readable way: cat some-file.xml | evolution-gconf-log | less This should show you the various accounts and data sources in a somewhat more human-readable form (it shows you some of this inner XML). You can't do anything more with the output except read it; this is a debugging tool. evolution-gconf-filter-exchange =============================== This takes one of these XML GConf dump files and filters out everything apart from the accounts on an Exchange server. cat some-file.xml | evolution-gconf-filter-exchange > some-other-file.xml You can use the evolution-gconf-log tool on the result as desired. evolution-gconf-personalize =========================== This takes one of the XML GConf dump files and remaps all user information based on the values of environment variables set when the script is run. For example: export PERSONALIZE_USERNAME=jdoe export PERSONALIZE_FULLNAME="John Doe" cat some-file.xml | evolution-gconf-personalize > result.xml As before, you can use the evolution-gconf-log tool on the result to check that things have been mapped correctly for the new user. Putting the data back in GConf =============================== Once you've manipulated the data as needed (and verified results using the log tool as needed), you can put it back in GConf for another thus: gconftool-2 --load my-finished-file.xml The above command assumes you're logged in as the user; it will start the GConf daemon for that user if needed. If this is to run from a script where the user's session isn't running, you can bypass the daemon thus: gconftool-2 --shutdown gconftool-2 --direct --config-source=xml:readwrite:$HOME/.gconf --load result.xml Notes ===== I've tested this, and had it working for an Evolution 2.0 deployment. I suspect the approach will break under some circumstances, and with different versions of Evolution. Comments and patches welcome. [1]: http://www.gnome.org/projects/sabayon/ From om at iki.fi Wed Apr 13 01:27:57 2005 From: om at iki.fi (Otto J. Makela) Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2005 04:27:57 +0300 Subject: Focus of new windows in metacity Message-ID: <20050413012757.GB27402@nemesis.co.jyu.fi> On basic Fedora Core 3 gnome (using the Metacity window damager), and traditional focus-follows-mouse, how does one prevent the focus from changing when a new window is opened? At least for me, the principle of least astonishment is continuously broken when a newly opened window grabs the focus from right under my mouse pointer (and I need to move the pointer out of my window and then back in to regain it). piglet:~% uname -a Linux piglet.otto.net 2.6.10-1.770_FC3smp #1 SMP Thu Feb 24 14:20:06 EST 2005 i686 i686 i386 GNU/Linux piglet:~% rpm -q xorg-x11 metacity xorg-x11-6.8.2-1.FC3.13_2.rhfc3.at metacity-2.8.6-2 piglet:~% cat /etc/fedora-release Fedora Core release 3 (Heidelberg) -- /* * * Otto J. Makela * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * */ /* Phone: +358 40 765 5772, FAX: +358 42 765 5772, ICBM: 60N25E */ /* Mail: Mechelininkatu 26 B 27, FIN-00100 Helsinki, FINLAND */ /* * * Computers Rule 01001111 01001011 * * * * * * * * * * * * */ From eric at snowmoon.com Wed Apr 13 02:06:45 2005 From: eric at snowmoon.com (Eric Warnke) Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2005 22:06:45 -0400 Subject: Focus of new windows in metacity In-Reply-To: <20050413012757.GB27402@nemesis.co.jyu.fi> References: <20050413012757.GB27402@nemesis.co.jyu.fi> Message-ID: <425C7EB5.9010602@snowmoon.com> I could be wrong, but I believe that was fixed with gnome 2.10 ( FC4t1+). Metacity/gnome now does not preempt focus on new windows. They are also working on a theme friendly was for the window hint urgent to be seen by the user ( please no bouncing icons ). Cheers, Eric Otto J. Makela wrote: >On basic Fedora Core 3 gnome (using the Metacity window >damager), and traditional focus-follows-mouse, how does one >prevent the focus from changing when a new window is opened? > >At least for me, the principle of least astonishment is >continuously broken when a newly opened window grabs the focus >from right under my mouse pointer (and I need to move the >pointer out of my window and then back in to regain it). > >piglet:~% uname -a >Linux piglet.otto.net 2.6.10-1.770_FC3smp #1 SMP Thu Feb 24 14:20:06 EST 2005 > i686 i686 i386 GNU/Linux >piglet:~% rpm -q xorg-x11 metacity >xorg-x11-6.8.2-1.FC3.13_2.rhfc3.at >metacity-2.8.6-2 >piglet:~% cat /etc/fedora-release >Fedora Core release 3 (Heidelberg) > > -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I would appreciate your help in making sure that the lists are safe for all of us. I'm actually going to the trouble of subscribing to nearly all of the Red Hat mailing lists just to get the word out. One thing that I have done recently was to search for my e-mail addresses on the Internet web pages to find all of the places that list them. Why bother doing this? Just like how Google has spiders that crawl the Internet to gather general information, spammers have spiders that crawl the Internet to gather e-mail addresses to spam people. I have contacted all of the websites who did not modify my e-mail addresses (mostly on mailing lists) in such that they cannot be collected. Red Hat has done at least one thing right in that they have modified everyone's e-mail address in their web archive, such that it reads something like for mine. However Red Hat has left one big gaping whole that the spam spiders can still crawl into. There is a complete active mirror of these lists as postable newsgroups kept on a service called Gmane . I'm using Gmane to write this message to you now. It's a pretty sophisticated setup, has safeguards to prevent spam getting posted, and they use Spam Assassin to clean up stuff that still ends up on the list (except you have to filter it yourself on the newsgroup interface). The only problem is that spam spiders crawl the newsgroups to collect e-mail addresses. Gmane has a safeguard to prevent this, but it has to be turned on by the list administrator. Gmane can encrypt the e-mail addresses on the list such that any mail sent to them is routed through Gmane first, and then the sender must under go a challenge-response before the message gets routed to the actual recipient. Of all of the Red Hat lists I've only found two newsgroup mirrors that use address encryption: gmane.linux.redhat.fedora.java , and gmane.redhat.taroon . If you would like to see the Red Hat newsgroup mirrors have encrypted e-mail addresses, please reply to this topic and discuss. If you are even more brave (important since some of these lists are high-volume and not everything gets read), please contact your list administrator directly at . If someone knows how to get the word out on the international lists or to their administrators (since I don't speak multiple tongues), please do so. If someone knows who to contact who can make all of the newsgroups have encrypted e-mail addresses going above all of the list administrators (maybe the person who decided to obfuscate them all on the web archive?) please contact him or her and let us know how to contact that person. Thanks so much, William From eric at snowmoon.com Wed Apr 13 18:32:55 2005 From: eric at snowmoon.com (Eric Warnke) Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2005 14:32:55 -0400 Subject: Preventing spammers from infiltrating the Red Hat mailing lists In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <425D65D7.2030204@snowmoon.com> William, To communicate on the internet, and sometime just signing up for email, means that spammers will have access to your email address. If you get inbound email eventually you will receive spam, might as well work on either stopping spam at it's source or before it get to you inbox.To attempt to close this ONE way is a pointless excercise in futility. I would *MUCH* rather people be able to reply to me from my list posts archived on the internet than block spiders from finding my email address since my email is more than sufficiently filtered. Cheers, Eric William M. Quarles wrote: > One thing that I have done recently was to search for my e-mail > addresses on the Internet web pages to find all of the places that list > them. Why bother doing this? Just like how Google has spiders that > crawl the Internet to gather general information, spammers have spiders > that crawl the Internet to gather e-mail addresses to spam people. I -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Totem on the other > hand when backed by gst has a reasonable useful mechanism to extend > its support via additional gst plugins instead of being replaced > wholesale with another player application. And the gst dependancy > makes for tighter integration with the default desktop. I'm reading > http://fedora.redhat.com/projects/desktop/defaults.html > and I personally don't see a profound reason to keep Helix as the > default when compared to totem based on the objective criteria > setforth there. > > If there are differing opinions grounded in technical criteria for > helix still being the default, I'd appreciate hearing them for > perspective. Instead of discussing it here maybe we should take it to -desktop-list where it can maybe get a bit more sane and less flamable responses. -sv From walrus at bellsouth.net Thu Apr 14 22:07:42 2005 From: walrus at bellsouth.net (William M. Quarles) Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2005 18:07:42 -0400 Subject: Preventing spammers from infiltrating the Red Hat mailing lists In-Reply-To: <425D65D7.2030204@snowmoon.com> References: <425D65D7.2030204@snowmoon.com> Message-ID: Eric, They still can reply to your posts. They just have to verify that they exist first. William Eric Warnke wrote: > William, > > To communicate on the internet, and sometime just signing up for email, > means that spammers will have access to your email address. If you get > inbound email eventually you will receive spam, might as well work on > either stopping spam at it's source or before it get to you inbox.To > attempt to close this ONE way is a pointless excercise in futility. > > I would *MUCH* rather people be able to reply to me from my list posts > archived on the internet than block spiders from finding my email > address since my email is more than sufficiently filtered. > > Cheers, > Eric > > William M. Quarles wrote: > > >>One thing that I have done recently was to search for my e-mail >>addresses on the Internet web pages to find all of the places that list >>them. Why bother doing this? Just like how Google has spiders that >>crawl the Internet to gather general information, spammers have spiders >>that crawl the Internet to gather e-mail addresses to spam people. I > > > From byte at aeon.com.my Fri Apr 15 04:39:06 2005 From: byte at aeon.com.my (Colin Charles) Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2005 14:39:06 +1000 Subject: Focus of new windows in metacity In-Reply-To: <425C7EB5.9010602@snowmoon.com> References: <20050413012757.GB27402@nemesis.co.jyu.fi> <425C7EB5.9010602@snowmoon.com> Message-ID: <1113539946.4518.29.camel@arena.soho.bytebot.net> On Tue, 2005-04-12 at 22:06 -0400, Eric Warnke wrote: > I could be wrong, but I believe that was fixed with gnome 2.10 ( > FC4t1+). Metacity/gnome now does not preempt focus on new windows. > They are also working on a theme friendly was for the window hint > urgent > to be seen by the user ( please no bouncing icons ). Yes, "fixed" with GNOME 2.10 Now, how do I revert it back to the old behaviour, because I find not getting my GAIM messages pop-up to be something that negates productivity Thanks -- Colin Charles, byte at aeon.com.my http://www.bytebot.net/ "First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win." -- Mohandas Gandhi From pmatilai at welho.com Fri Apr 15 05:04:06 2005 From: pmatilai at welho.com (Panu Matilainen) Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2005 08:04:06 +0300 (EEST) Subject: Evolution auto user setup In-Reply-To: <1113330856.5262.89.camel@cassandra.boston.redhat.com> References: <1113254854.5111.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1113330856.5262.89.camel@cassandra.boston.redhat.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 12 Apr 2005, David Malcolm wrote: > On Mon, 2005-04-11 at 14:27 -0700, Sean Bruno wrote: >> Was curious if anyone has seen/used any kind of auto-setup scripts for >> large amounts of users. I have a couple of hundred pine/mutt users that >> I intend to move over to evolution sooner rather than later. >> >> I would like to create their email accounts automatically, and not have >> to setup each one seperately as they login. >> >> Sean > > I've written some Python scripts to make it easier to work with > Evolution's configuration information, in the hope of automating mass > deployments of Evolution. [...] > I've tested this, and had it working for an Evolution 2.0 deployment. I > suspect the approach will break under some circumstances, and with > different versions of Evolution. Comments and patches welcome. Hey, this and Mark's LDAP gconf backend are a really nice start. What's currently missing for my environment is PERSONALIZE_SERVERNAME as there are god-knows-how-many different servers around the company. It's possible to get the server name from AD by ldap query but it's in format like this: "msExchHomeServerName: /O=foo/OU=bar/cn=Configuration/cn=Servers/cn=" ..where is the real name of the server. Maybe it'd be possible/worth adding support for that in the LDAP backend? Somehow I doubt I'm the only one surrounded by Exchange servers, whether we like it or not :) - Panu - From pmatilai at welho.com Fri Apr 15 05:48:54 2005 From: pmatilai at welho.com (Panu Matilainen) Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2005 08:48:54 +0300 (EEST) Subject: Evolution auto user setup In-Reply-To: References: <1113254854.5111.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1113330856.5262.89.camel@cassandra.boston.redhat.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 15 Apr 2005, Panu Matilainen wrote: > On Tue, 12 Apr 2005, David Malcolm wrote: > >> On Mon, 2005-04-11 at 14:27 -0700, Sean Bruno wrote: >>> Was curious if anyone has seen/used any kind of auto-setup scripts for >>> large amounts of users. I have a couple of hundred pine/mutt users that >>> I intend to move over to evolution sooner rather than later. >>> >>> I would like to create their email accounts automatically, and not have >>> to setup each one seperately as they login. >>> >>> Sean >> >> I've written some Python scripts to make it easier to work with >> Evolution's configuration information, in the hope of automating mass >> deployments of Evolution. > [...] >> I've tested this, and had it working for an Evolution 2.0 deployment. I >> suspect the approach will break under some circumstances, and with >> different versions of Evolution. Comments and patches welcome. > > Hey, this and Mark's LDAP gconf backend are a really nice start. What's > currently missing for my environment is PERSONALIZE_SERVERNAME as there are > god-knows-how-many different servers around the company. Oh well.. this adds optional PERSONALIZE_SERVERNAME and PERSONALIZE_MAILBOXNAME settings to it - the mailbox name isn't necessarily same as username. Oh and the mailbox name can contain dots in it so the mailboxRegex also tweaked. Didn't test this in action but based on visual inspection of the results it seems to do what it's supposed to. Further todo: currently only the Mail Account entry is fixed, other places potentially needing fixing of username and server name are Tasks-, Addressbook- and Calendar Source. - Panu - --- evolution-gconf-tools-0.1.0/lib/personalizevisitor.py.server 2005-04-15 08:11:16.719442154 +0300 +++ evolution-gconf-tools-0.1.0/lib/personalizevisitor.py 2005-04-15 08:41:29.216205051 +0300 @@ -22,9 +22,11 @@ """Personalize from a prototype account""" class PersonalizeVisitor(EvolutionAccountGConfVisitor): - def __init__(self, username, friendly_name): + def __init__(self, username, friendly_name, mailbox_name, server_name): self.username = username; self.friendly_name = friendly_name; + self.mailbox_name = mailbox_name + self.server_name = server_name def personalizeHumanReadableName(self, nameText): # The general case isn't doable, but look for things of the form SOMEONE at SOMETHING and remap to our username; hopefully this should work for many cases: @@ -85,8 +87,18 @@ pat = re.compile(patternText); mo = pat.search(urlText); + if self.server_name: + server = self.server_name + else: + server = mo.group(2) + + if self.mailbox_name: + mailbox = self.mailbox_name + else: + mailbox = self.username + # Personalise the URI and the mailbox: - newUrlText = "exchange://"+self.username+"@"+mo.group(2)+"/;pf_server="+mo.group(3)+";owa_path="+mo.group(4)+";mailbox="+self.username+";"+mo.group(6) + newUrlText = "exchange://"+self.username+"@"+server+"/;pf_server="+server+";owa_path="+mo.group(4)+";mailbox="+mailbox+";"+mo.group(6) #print urlText #print newUrlText @@ -195,6 +207,8 @@ # grab configuration information from environment username = os.getenv("PERSONALIZE_USERNAME") friendlyName = os.getenv("PERSONALIZE_FULLNAME") + mailboxName = os.getenv("PERSONALIZE_MAILBOXNAME") + serverName = os.getenv("PERSONALIZE_SERVERNAME") if username==None: print >> sys.stderr, "You must set the PERSONALIZE_USERNAME environment variable" @@ -205,7 +219,7 @@ sys.exit(-1) # process: - gconfEntries.accept(PersonalizeVisitor(username, friendlyName)) + gconfEntries.accept(PersonalizeVisitor(username, friendlyName, mailboxName, serverName)) # output the result: print gconfEntries.dom.toxml() --- evolution-gconf-tools-0.1.0/lib/common.py.server 2005-04-15 08:37:19.951153360 +0300 +++ evolution-gconf-tools-0.1.0/lib/common.py 2005-04-15 08:27:03.437583797 +0300 @@ -42,5 +42,5 @@ schemeRegex = "([a-z]*)"; usernameRegex = "([A-Za-z0-9\\\\%]*)"; -mailboxRegex = "([A-Za-z0-9]*)"; +mailboxRegex = "([A-Za-z0-9.]*)"; hostnameRegex = "([A-Za-z0-9\\.]*)"; From behdad at cs.toronto.edu Fri Apr 15 18:38:21 2005 From: behdad at cs.toronto.edu (Behdad Esfahbod) Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2005 14:38:21 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Focus of new windows in metacity In-Reply-To: <1113539946.4518.29.camel@arena.soho.bytebot.net> References: <20050413012757.GB27402@nemesis.co.jyu.fi> <425C7EB5.9010602@snowmoon.com> <1113539946.4518.29.camel@arena.soho.bytebot.net> Message-ID: On Fri, 15 Apr 2005, Colin Charles wrote: > On Tue, 2005-04-12 at 22:06 -0400, Eric Warnke wrote: > > Yes, "fixed" with GNOME 2.10 > > Now, how do I revert it back to the old behaviour, because I find not > getting my GAIM messages pop-up to be something that negates > productivity Exactly. I have to keep polling the GAIM window... Not only that, when I click on a PDF file in a browser, it takes a while to figure out why *nothing is happening*. Well, because the PDF viewer is opened in the background... I can only hope FC4 doesn't ship with this setting. Any chance to do that? > Thanks --behdad http://behdad.org/ From kyrre at solution-forge.net Fri Apr 15 21:41:06 2005 From: kyrre at solution-forge.net (Kyrre Ness Sjobak) Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2005 23:41:06 +0200 Subject: Focus of new windows in metacity In-Reply-To: References: <20050413012757.GB27402@nemesis.co.jyu.fi> <425C7EB5.9010602@snowmoon.com> <1113539946.4518.29.camel@arena.soho.bytebot.net> Message-ID: <1113601266.3391.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> fre, 15.04.2005 kl. 20.38 skrev Behdad Esfahbod: > On Fri, 15 Apr 2005, Colin Charles wrote: > > > On Tue, 2005-04-12 at 22:06 -0400, Eric Warnke wrote: > > > > Yes, "fixed" with GNOME 2.10 > > > > Now, how do I revert it back to the old behaviour, because I find not > > getting my GAIM messages pop-up to be something that negates > > productivity > > Exactly. I have to keep polling the GAIM window... Not only > that, when I click on a PDF file in a browser, it takes a while > to figure out why *nothing is happening*. Well, because the PDF > viewer is opened in the background... I can only hope FC4 > doesn't ship with this setting. Any chance to do that? > > > Thanks > > --behdad > http://behdad.org/ From kyrre at solution-forge.net Fri Apr 15 21:42:44 2005 From: kyrre at solution-forge.net (Kyrre Ness Sjobak) Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2005 23:42:44 +0200 Subject: Focus of new windows in metacity In-Reply-To: References: <20050413012757.GB27402@nemesis.co.jyu.fi> <425C7EB5.9010602@snowmoon.com> <1113539946.4518.29.camel@arena.soho.bytebot.net> Message-ID: <1113601363.3391.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> fre, 15.04.2005 kl. 20.38 skrev Behdad Esfahbod: > On Fri, 15 Apr 2005, Colin Charles wrote: > > > On Tue, 2005-04-12 at 22:06 -0400, Eric Warnke wrote: > > > > Yes, "fixed" with GNOME 2.10 > > > > Now, how do I revert it back to the old behaviour, because I find not > > getting my GAIM messages pop-up to be something that negates > > productivity > > Exactly. I have to keep polling the GAIM window... Not only > that, when I click on a PDF file in a browser, it takes a while > to figure out why *nothing is happening*. Well, because the PDF > viewer is opened in the background... I can only hope FC4 > doesn't ship with this setting. Any chance to do that? > > > Thanks > > --behdad > http://behdad.org/ Perhaps the best way to do it, would be to have an API call which told metacity to never let anything take focus from it. So that pasword dialogs etc. wouldn't suffer todays problems, and no new problems would be generated. Kyrre From jon.nettleton at gmail.com Sat Apr 16 00:48:36 2005 From: jon.nettleton at gmail.com (Jon Nettleton) Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2005 20:48:36 -0400 Subject: Focus of new windows in metacity In-Reply-To: <1113601363.3391.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <20050413012757.GB27402@nemesis.co.jyu.fi> <425C7EB5.9010602@snowmoon.com> <1113539946.4518.29.camel@arena.soho.bytebot.net> <1113601363.3391.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: On 4/15/05, Kyrre Ness Sjobak wrote: > fre, 15.04.2005 kl. 20.38 skrev Behdad Esfahbod: > > On Fri, 15 Apr 2005, Colin Charles wrote: > > > > > On Tue, 2005-04-12 at 22:06 -0400, Eric Warnke wrote: > > > > > > Yes, "fixed" with GNOME 2.10 > > > > > > Now, how do I revert it back to the old behaviour, because I find not > > > getting my GAIM messages pop-up to be something that negates > > > productivity > > > > Exactly. I have to keep polling the GAIM window... Not only > > that, when I click on a PDF file in a browser, it takes a while > > to figure out why *nothing is happening*. Well, because the PDF > > viewer is opened in the background... I can only hope FC4 > > doesn't ship with this setting. Any chance to do that? > > > > > Thanks > > > > --behdad > > http://behdad.org/ > > Perhaps the best way to do it, would be to have an API call which told > metacity to never let anything take focus from it. So that pasword > dialogs etc. wouldn't suffer todays problems, and no new problems would > be generated. > > Kyrre > > -- > Fedora-desktop-list mailing list > Fedora-desktop-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-desktop-list > My solution to this problem has been to install the guifications plugin at http://guifications.sourceforge.net/ . It just raises a small window on your screen for certain events. You can then click on it to go over to that IM, or right click for more options.. It gives you the security of windows stealing focus when you are typing, and notification when events happen in gaim. I am using the Clearlooks theme which blends in quite nicely with gnome 2.10. Jon From hp at redhat.com Sat Apr 16 03:34:19 2005 From: hp at redhat.com (Havoc Pennington) Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2005 23:34:19 -0400 Subject: Focus of new windows in metacity In-Reply-To: <1113539946.4518.29.camel@arena.soho.bytebot.net> References: <20050413012757.GB27402@nemesis.co.jyu.fi> <425C7EB5.9010602@snowmoon.com> <1113539946.4518.29.camel@arena.soho.bytebot.net> Message-ID: <1113622460.31154.10.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Fri, 2005-04-15 at 14:39 +1000, Colin Charles wrote:. > > Yes, "fixed" with GNOME 2.10 > > Now, how do I revert it back to the old behaviour, because I find not > getting my GAIM messages pop-up to be something that negates > productivity So you want a toggle switch so users can choose suboptimal behavior A or suboptimal behavior B? While sometimes we need to settle for that, it's not the default solution. In this case I think something like this will fix it: http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=120439 I would like to see this done and backported to our 2.10 libwnck package. or something like this thing someone mentioned is another option: http://guifications.sourceforge.net/Guifications/ Or even simpler, gaim could be hacked to always grab focus or have an option for same, though I wouldn't advocate that. If these 3 things were hard to implement maybe we'd want a stopgap solution, but any or all of these fixes could be completed in a matter of a couple days. (so hint hint, someone should just do it, there's no point having a big mailing list argument ;-) Havoc From danhbarnes at yahoo.com Sun Apr 17 02:52:47 2005 From: danhbarnes at yahoo.com (Dan Barnes) Date: Sat, 16 Apr 2005 19:52:47 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Centering of the screen on the monitor. Message-ID: <20050417025247.42976.qmail@web21128.mail.yahoo.com> I have a problem with the screen not being centered on the monitor. The system is booted with Windows XP Pro, Red Hat 9 and Fedora Core 3. The screen is in the center of the monitor for Windows XP Pro and Red Hat 9. The screen is not in the center of the monitor for Fedora Core 3. The screen is against the right side of the monitor. Has anyone had this problem? How did you fix it? I have not been able to find a solution on google. Thanks Dan Barnes __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Plan great trips with Yahoo! Travel: Now over 17,000 guides! http://travel.yahoo.com/p-travelguide From bonglord at gmail.com Sun Apr 17 12:22:28 2005 From: bonglord at gmail.com (Kev) Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2005 13:22:28 +0100 Subject: Centering of the screen on the monitor. In-Reply-To: <20050417025247.42976.qmail@web21128.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20050417025247.42976.qmail@web21128.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <517deeec05041705221a09f7a@mail.gmail.com> Hi, I'm a linux newbie, but I had the same problem until I installed the nvidia drivers for FC3 then it fixed itself. Hope this helps, good luck! Kevin On 4/17/05, Dan Barnes wrote: > I have a problem with the screen not being centered > on the monitor. > > The system is booted with Windows XP Pro, Red Hat 9 > and > Fedora Core 3. > > The screen is in the center of the monitor for > Windows XP Pro and Red Hat 9. > > The screen is not in the center of the monitor for > Fedora Core 3. The screen is against the right side > of the monitor. > > Has anyone had this problem? How did you fix it? > > I have not been able to find a solution on google. > > Thanks > > Dan Barnes > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Plan great trips with Yahoo! Travel: Now over 17,000 guides! > http://travel.yahoo.com/p-travelguide > > -- > Fedora-desktop-list mailing list > Fedora-desktop-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-desktop-list > -- bonglord.com From otaylor at redhat.com Sun Apr 17 17:46:54 2005 From: otaylor at redhat.com (Owen Taylor) Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2005 13:46:54 -0400 Subject: Centering of the screen on the monitor. In-Reply-To: <20050417025247.42976.qmail@web21128.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20050417025247.42976.qmail@web21128.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1113760014.8002.44.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Sat, 2005-04-16 at 19:52 -0700, Dan Barnes wrote: > I have a problem with the screen not being centered > on the monitor. > > The system is booted with Windows XP Pro, Red Hat 9 > and > Fedora Core 3. > > The screen is in the center of the monitor for > Windows XP Pro and Red Hat 9. > > The screen is not in the center of the monitor for > Fedora Core 3. The screen is against the right side > of the monitor. > > Has anyone had this problem? How did you fix it? Depending on how far the screen is off center, the solution is usually just to use the monitor controls to move it back into place. But won't that mess things up for XP? Most likely not ... modern monitors usually store multiple remembered monitor settings for different refresh rates. The fact that the image is off-center in FC3 but OK in Windows probably means that the FC3 refresh rate is different than that for XP. If the screen is so far off-center that you can't fix it up with the monitor controls, then something else is going on. Regards, Owen -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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In-Reply-To: <200504181915.29509.kooleesh@interwave.ru> References: <200504181915.29509.kooleesh@interwave.ru> Message-ID: <4263D793.2090505@shahms.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 KooLeeSH wrote: | Why don't Fedora Project make an i586 optimized binaries (as Mandrake does)? | Some says about 40% performance increase with it. I am really doubt anybody | uses FC on machines slower than Pentium. What's you thoughts? Not really the right list, but the topic has been repeatedly covered in detail on fedora-devel-list: https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2004-August/msg01155.html That's the beginning of one of the many threads on this topic. The short answer: it doesn't help. Read that thread for the long answer. - -- Shahms E. King Multnomah ESD Public Key: http://shahms.mesd.k12.or.us/~sking/shahms.asc Fingerprint: 1612 054B CE92 8770 F1EA AB1B FEAB 3636 45B2 D75B -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFCY9eT/qs2NkWy11sRAon9AJ0Xs6uaf84sX3pKZWTBJgIB02Wa1ACfezWA I1eZrXiINoapiY4J79cofRg= =OEbQ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From sean.bruno at dsl-only.net Tue Apr 19 09:12:55 2005 From: sean.bruno at dsl-only.net (Sean Bruno) Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 02:12:55 -0700 Subject: Nforce Support Message-ID: <1113901975.18555.1.camel@oscar.metro1.com> I just noted that Asus has released a beauty of a Mobo for a Dual- Opteron setup I am building. What is the current level of support for the nVIDIA nForce4 Professional (CrushK8-04 Professional) chipset. Sean P.S. the mobo is an Asus K8N-DL From david at fubar.dk Tue Apr 19 17:43:48 2005 From: david at fubar.dk (David Zeuthen) Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 13:43:48 -0400 Subject: Nforce Support In-Reply-To: <1113901975.18555.1.camel@oscar.metro1.com> References: <1113901975.18555.1.camel@oscar.metro1.com> Message-ID: <1113932629.3245.2.camel@daxter.boston.redhat.com> On Tue, 2005-04-19 at 02:12 -0700, Sean Bruno wrote: > I just noted that Asus has released a beauty of a Mobo for a Dual- > Opteron setup I am building. What is the current level of support for > the nVIDIA nForce4 Professional (CrushK8-04 Professional) chipset. This post is off topic. Please post such questions to fedora-list instead. Thanks, David From dmalcolm at redhat.com Wed Apr 20 18:24:10 2005 From: dmalcolm at redhat.com (David Malcolm) Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2005 14:24:10 -0400 Subject: Evolution auto user setup In-Reply-To: References: <1113254854.5111.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1113330856.5262.89.camel@cassandra.boston.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1114021450.24455.71.camel@cassandra.boston.redhat.com> On Fri, 2005-04-15 at 08:48 +0300, Panu Matilainen wrote: > On Fri, 15 Apr 2005, Panu Matilainen wrote: > > > On Tue, 12 Apr 2005, David Malcolm wrote: > > > >> On Mon, 2005-04-11 at 14:27 -0700, Sean Bruno wrote: > >>> Was curious if anyone has seen/used any kind of auto-setup scripts for > >>> large amounts of users. I have a couple of hundred pine/mutt users that > >>> I intend to move over to evolution sooner rather than later. > >>> > >>> I would like to create their email accounts automatically, and not have > >>> to setup each one seperately as they login. > >>> > >>> Sean > >> > >> I've written some Python scripts to make it easier to work with > >> Evolution's configuration information, in the hope of automating mass > >> deployments of Evolution. > > [...] > >> I've tested this, and had it working for an Evolution 2.0 deployment. I > >> suspect the approach will break under some circumstances, and with > >> different versions of Evolution. Comments and patches welcome. > > > > Hey, this and Mark's LDAP gconf backend are a really nice start. What's > > currently missing for my environment is PERSONALIZE_SERVERNAME as there are > > god-knows-how-many different servers around the company. > Thanks; sorry about the delay in replying. >From a brief reading of the patch it looks good, but I haven't got it to apply yet. Please can you resend this as an attachment rather than inline? I tried fixing up the wordwraps and whitespace but Python hates me :-( > Oh well.. this adds optional PERSONALIZE_SERVERNAME and > PERSONALIZE_MAILBOXNAME settings to it - the mailbox name isn't > necessarily same as username. Oh and the mailbox name can contain dots in > it so the mailboxRegex also tweaked. > Didn't test this in action but based on visual inspection of the results > it seems to do what it's supposed to. Ideally we'd have a test suite to go with this; it would be nice to have it verify on "make test" that the output of personalization is as expected. > > Further todo: currently only the Mail Account entry is fixed, other places > potentially needing fixing of username and server name are Tasks-, > Addressbook- and Calendar Source. It should already fixup the username; it would be the server name that would need fixing in that case. Further patches welcome! Dave From bradley.king at mchsi.com Fri Apr 22 14:51:24 2005 From: bradley.king at mchsi.com (bradley king) Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2005 09:51:24 -0500 Subject: fedora core 1 Message-ID: <000901c5474a$c14c6b10$2102a8c0@your1a4d29f243> iwould like to use this but i need some help i am not a programer just a windows user that would like to convertany help would be aprecated. thank u From mattdm at mattdm.org Fri Apr 22 15:02:39 2005 From: mattdm at mattdm.org (Matthew Miller) Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2005 11:02:39 -0400 Subject: fedora core 1 In-Reply-To: <000901c5474a$c14c6b10$2102a8c0@your1a4d29f243> References: <000901c5474a$c14c6b10$2102a8c0@your1a4d29f243> Message-ID: <20050422150239.GA3603@jadzia.bu.edu> On Fri, Apr 22, 2005 at 09:51:24AM -0500, bradley king wrote: > iwould like to use this but i need some help i am not a programer just a > windows user that would like to convertany help would be aprecated. thank u Sure. However, you probably want to be on the main fedora list, not the specific fedora-desktop one -- this is more a development-oriented list. And, I don't think you really want FC1 -- that's quite old and won't be maintained even by Fedora Legacy for much longer. The current release is Fedora Core 3, and Fedora Core 4 will be out soon. -- Matthew Miller mattdm at mattdm.org Boston University Linux ------> Current office temperature: 73 degrees Fahrenheit. From tduvally at brown.edu Fri Apr 22 15:10:14 2005 From: tduvally at brown.edu (Thomas DuVally) Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2005 11:10:14 -0400 Subject: fedora core 1 In-Reply-To: <000901c5474a$c14c6b10$2102a8c0@your1a4d29f243> References: <000901c5474a$c14c6b10$2102a8c0@your1a4d29f243> Message-ID: <1114182614.3706.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Fri, 2005-04-22 at 09:51 -0500, bradley king wrote: > iwould like to use this but i need some help i am not a programer just a > windows user that would like to convertany help would be aprecated. I would suggest Fedora Core 3. As for trying it out, just make the 3 cd's from the downloads (or 1 DVD if you can) and boot from it. The easiest way is use a box you don't have anything else on. A simple desktop install without having to play with partitions is easiest. It will use the whole disk. No confusion about multi-booting and swap sizes or trying to shrink windows (can be difficult) If that's not possible, use a second disk. One will be windows, one will be FC (Fedora Core). That way you have one system, but two OS's and no disk issues. > thank u u r welcom -- TJ DuVally GPG fingerprint = FB59 8265 0865 0CB8 94B5 FC26 F573 F09C 15F2 33F6 http://www.gnupg.org - 'Cause they read your email! -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From dfong at redhat.com Mon Apr 25 20:07:30 2005 From: dfong at redhat.com (Diana Fong) Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2005 16:07:30 -0400 Subject: Current Artwork In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1114459650.5202.27.camel@dhcp83-80.boston.redhat.com> http://fedora.redhat.com/projects/artwork/ Diana On Fri, 2005-04-22 at 09:11 -0600, Daniel Kaliel wrote: > Is there a place I can go to check out the current artwork for Fedora > Core 4 Test 2 ? Is there any artwork that the group could use? > > > ===================================== > Daniel Kaliel > Network Administrator > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > J.J. Barnicke Edmonton Ltd. > #2300, 10123 99 Street > Edmonton, AB > T5J3H1 > > -- > Fedora-desktop-list mailing list > Fedora-desktop-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-desktop-list From dmalcolm at redhat.com Fri Apr 29 21:39:30 2005 From: dmalcolm at redhat.com (David Malcolm) Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2005 17:39:30 -0400 Subject: Evolution auto user setup In-Reply-To: <1114021450.24455.71.camel@cassandra.boston.redhat.com> References: <1113254854.5111.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1113330856.5262.89.camel@cassandra.boston.redhat.com> <1114021450.24455.71.camel@cassandra.boston.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1114810771.17518.47.camel@cassandra.boston.redhat.com> On Wed, 2005-04-20 at 14:24 -0400, David Malcolm wrote: > On Fri, 2005-04-15 at 08:48 +0300, Panu Matilainen wrote: > > On Fri, 15 Apr 2005, Panu Matilainen wrote: > > > > > On Tue, 12 Apr 2005, David Malcolm wrote: > > > > > >> On Mon, 2005-04-11 at 14:27 -0700, Sean Bruno wrote: > > >>> Was curious if anyone has seen/used any kind of auto-setup scripts for > > >>> large amounts of users. I have a couple of hundred pine/mutt users that > > >>> I intend to move over to evolution sooner rather than later. > > >>> > > >>> I would like to create their email accounts automatically, and not have > > >>> to setup each one seperately as they login. > > >>> > > >>> Sean > > >> > > >> I've written some Python scripts to make it easier to work with > > >> Evolution's configuration information, in the hope of automating mass > > >> deployments of Evolution. > > > [...] > > >> I've tested this, and had it working for an Evolution 2.0 deployment. I > > >> suspect the approach will break under some circumstances, and with > > >> different versions of Evolution. Comments and patches welcome. > > > > > > Hey, this and Mark's LDAP gconf backend are a really nice start. What's > > > currently missing for my environment is PERSONALIZE_SERVERNAME as there are > > > god-knows-how-many different servers around the company. > > > > Thanks; sorry about the delay in replying. > > >From a brief reading of the patch it looks good, but I haven't got it to > apply yet. Please can you resend this as an attachment rather than > inline? I tried fixing up the wordwraps and whitespace but Python hates > me :-( > > > Oh well.. this adds optional PERSONALIZE_SERVERNAME and > > PERSONALIZE_MAILBOXNAME settings to it - the mailbox name isn't > > necessarily same as username. Oh and the mailbox name can contain dots in > > it so the mailboxRegex also tweaked. > > Didn't test this in action but based on visual inspection of the results > > it seems to do what it's supposed to. > > Ideally we'd have a test suite to go with this; it would be nice to have > it verify on "make test" that the output of personalization is as > expected. > > > > > Further todo: currently only the Mail Account entry is fixed, other places > > potentially needing fixing of username and server name are Tasks-, > > Addressbook- and Calendar Source. > > It should already fixup the username; it would be the server name that > would need fixing in that case. Further patches welcome! This is now in GNOME CVS as the module "evolution-gconf-tools" From dmalcolm at redhat.com Fri Apr 29 23:25:00 2005 From: dmalcolm at redhat.com (David Malcolm) Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2005 19:25:00 -0400 Subject: Evolution auto user setup In-Reply-To: <1114810771.17518.47.camel@cassandra.boston.redhat.com> References: <1113254854.5111.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1113330856.5262.89.camel@cassandra.boston.redhat.com> <1114021450.24455.71.camel@cassandra.boston.redhat.com> <1114810771.17518.47.camel@cassandra.boston.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1114817101.20722.31.camel@cassandra.boston.redhat.com> On Fri, 2005-04-29 at 17:39 -0400, David Malcolm wrote: > On Wed, 2005-04-20 at 14:24 -0400, David Malcolm wrote: > > On Fri, 2005-04-15 at 08:48 +0300, Panu Matilainen wrote: > > > On Fri, 15 Apr 2005, Panu Matilainen wrote: > > > > > > > On Tue, 12 Apr 2005, David Malcolm wrote: > > > > > > > >> On Mon, 2005-04-11 at 14:27 -0700, Sean Bruno wrote: > > > >>> Was curious if anyone has seen/used any kind of auto-setup scripts for > > > >>> large amounts of users. I have a couple of hundred pine/mutt users that > > > >>> I intend to move over to evolution sooner rather than later. > > > >>> > > > >>> I would like to create their email accounts automatically, and not have > > > >>> to setup each one seperately as they login. > > > >>> > > > >>> Sean > > > >> > > > >> I've written some Python scripts to make it easier to work with > > > >> Evolution's configuration information, in the hope of automating mass > > > >> deployments of Evolution. > > > > [...] > > > >> I've tested this, and had it working for an Evolution 2.0 deployment. I > > > >> suspect the approach will break under some circumstances, and with > > > >> different versions of Evolution. Comments and patches welcome. > > > > > > > > Hey, this and Mark's LDAP gconf backend are a really nice start. What's > > > > currently missing for my environment is PERSONALIZE_SERVERNAME as there are > > > > god-knows-how-many different servers around the company. > > > > > > > Thanks; sorry about the delay in replying. > > > > >From a brief reading of the patch it looks good, but I haven't got it to > > apply yet. Please can you resend this as an attachment rather than > > inline? I tried fixing up the wordwraps and whitespace but Python hates > > me :-( > > > > > Oh well.. this adds optional PERSONALIZE_SERVERNAME and > > > PERSONALIZE_MAILBOXNAME settings to it - the mailbox name isn't > > > necessarily same as username. Oh and the mailbox name can contain dots in > > > it so the mailboxRegex also tweaked. > > > Didn't test this in action but based on visual inspection of the results > > > it seems to do what it's supposed to. > > > > Ideally we'd have a test suite to go with this; it would be nice to have > > it verify on "make test" that the output of personalization is as > > expected. > > > > > > > > Further todo: currently only the Mail Account entry is fixed, other places > > > potentially needing fixing of username and server name are Tasks-, > > > Addressbook- and Calendar Source. > > > > It should already fixup the username; it would be the server name that > > would need fixing in that case. Further patches welcome! > > This is now in GNOME CVS as the module "evolution-gconf-tools" and they now have a page on the GNOME wiki here: http://live.gnome.org/Evolution_2fGConfTools Dave From kyrre at solution-forge.net Sat Apr 30 11:00:17 2005 From: kyrre at solution-forge.net (Kyrre Ness Sjobak) Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2005 13:00:17 +0200 Subject: OpenOffice icons Message-ID: <1114858817.3343.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> Is it just me, or does the openoffice icon artwork look really terrible and difficult-to-understand? I opened a bugzilla for it: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=156424 If those agreeing/disagreeing could post comments there, it would be great. Kyrre Ness Sj?b?k From cs007fc at wowway.com Sat Apr 30 16:10:00 2005 From: cs007fc at wowway.com (Craig) Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2005 12:10:00 -0400 Subject: OpenOffice icons In-Reply-To: <1114858817.3343.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1114858817.3343.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <4273ADD8.20707@wowway.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Kyrre Ness Sjobak wrote: | Is it just me, or does the openoffice icon artwork look really terrible | and difficult-to-understand? I opened a bugzilla for it: | | https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=156424 | | If those agreeing/disagreeing could post comments there, it would be | great. | | Kyrre Ness Sj?b?k | IMHO it is without question *just you*. Personally, they're among the very few icons that are bright, colorful and _easy_ to identify. The problem I see for newbies is that gnome isn't as inviting as kde because _a lot_ of the icons and themes use dark or matte colors (not bad in my book) which tends to make them unreadable (_very, very_ bad in my book). This is one of the many reasons that kde is so much more popular with newbies. It's more M$-like - true - but one of the main reasons that kde is M$-like is the polish of there brightly colored "friendly" icons. This is something the new OOo icons have captured and again, it's a _very, very, very good thing_. Craig -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFCc63Y6XcoldzZ4rgRAiXaAJ0RyQ481OlfAU30TswnH3HmIYTIGACfdgc0 WVe1wC3E31Gg8jzN/4AcH9k= =KtEz -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: cs007fc.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 2146 bytes Desc: not available URL: