From sdl.web at gmail.com Wed Dec 7 07:07:44 2005 From: sdl.web at gmail.com (leon) Date: Wed, 07 Dec 2005 07:07:44 +0000 Subject: request two icons for Bluecurve Message-ID: <86oe3t75bz.fsf@gmail.com> Hi All, Is it possible to make two Bluecurve icons for (x)emacs and chm (possibly including .chm mimetype icon)? Cheers -- .:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:. . * . . /.\ Merry Christmas . . /..'\ . . /'.'\ -- Leon . . /.''.'\ . . /.'.'.\ . . /'.''.'.\ . . ^^^[_]^^^ . .:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:. From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Wed Dec 7 07:32:40 2005 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Wed, 07 Dec 2005 09:32:40 +0200 Subject: request two icons for Bluecurve In-Reply-To: <86oe3t75bz.fsf@gmail.com> References: <86oe3t75bz.fsf@gmail.com> Message-ID: <43969018.2070906@nicubunu.ro> leon wrote: > Hi All, > > Is it possible to make two Bluecurve icons for (x)emacs and chm > (possibly including .chm mimetype icon)? Can we get from somewhere the color palette for Bluecurve? Even if it is not in .gpl format (used by GIMP and Inkscape), it would be enough to have the hexadecimal codes, I can assemble a palette file and publish it. BTW, what is the future of Bluecurve? At least does it have a future? It looks like the development of Bluecurve practically stopped around the release of FC2, I think it should be either revived or discontinued. How about starting a new generation theme with community involvement, the same way Novell do with Tango (http://tango-project.org/)? -- nicu my hats collection: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/hats/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From sundaram at redhat.com Wed Dec 7 07:58:49 2005 From: sundaram at redhat.com (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Wed, 07 Dec 2005 13:28:49 +0530 Subject: request two icons for Bluecurve In-Reply-To: <43969018.2070906@nicubunu.ro> References: <86oe3t75bz.fsf@gmail.com> <43969018.2070906@nicubunu.ro> Message-ID: <43969639.6010801@redhat.com> Hi > > BTW, what is the future of Bluecurve? At least does it have a future? > It looks like the development of Bluecurve practically stopped around > the release of FC2, I think it should be either revived or discontinued. > > How about starting a new generation theme with community involvement, > the same way Novell do with Tango (http://tango-project.org/)? or just adopt or work with Tango. If the general style suits Fedora there is no need to redo it. regards Rahul From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Wed Dec 7 11:21:14 2005 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Wed, 07 Dec 2005 13:21:14 +0200 Subject: request two icons for Bluecurve In-Reply-To: <43969639.6010801@redhat.com> References: <86oe3t75bz.fsf@gmail.com> <43969018.2070906@nicubunu.ro> <43969639.6010801@redhat.com> Message-ID: <4396C5AA.3080305@nicubunu.ro> Rahul Sundaram wrote: >> >> BTW, what is the future of Bluecurve? At least does it have a future? >> It looks like the development of Bluecurve practically stopped around >> the release of FC2, I think it should be either revived or discontinued. >> >> How about starting a new generation theme with community involvement, >> the same way Novell do with Tango (http://tango-project.org/)? > > > or just adopt or work with Tango. If the general style suits Fedora > there is no need to redo it. Sure, this is a possible approach, but personally I am not sure where the Tango theme will go: - it conflicts with GNOME HIG in both color palette and icon size - one day GNOME will have to make a decision about this; - KDE is creating a different theme (Oxygen) which will use at *the maximum* the naming scheme from Tango; - OpenOffice.org probably will continue to copy the Microsoft Office icons, as its primary target is Windows. In the meantime, a Fedora desktop is an inconsistent mix of Bluecurve, Industrial, OpenOffice.org and maybe some Mozilla icons. Tango is not only an icon theme, in fact it is mainly an icon naming specification. I think it make sense to support this naming scheme, which is under development at freedesktop.org. As for the icons themselves, I can see both pluses and minuses of either having an own theme or adopting Tango. A new theme is certainly a lot of work (maybe duplicate work) and have to be maintained for a long period of time (see the subject of this message) but it can improve the identity of the distro and expand the community. Look at how much publicity has Tango generated. However, looking back at the logo design process, I am not very confident our community excels in the graphic department: basically the community was not able to come with a good enough logo and in the end an external (professional) design was used. -- nicu my hats collection: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/hats Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From sundaram at redhat.com Wed Dec 7 11:50:33 2005 From: sundaram at redhat.com (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Wed, 07 Dec 2005 17:20:33 +0530 Subject: request two icons for Bluecurve In-Reply-To: <4396C5AA.3080305@nicubunu.ro> References: <86oe3t75bz.fsf@gmail.com> <43969018.2070906@nicubunu.ro> <43969639.6010801@redhat.com> <4396C5AA.3080305@nicubunu.ro> Message-ID: <4396CC89.6060400@redhat.com> Hi > > Tango is not only an icon theme, in fact it is mainly an icon naming > specification. > > I think it make sense to support this naming scheme, which is under > development at freedesktop.org. Yes. Oxygen in KDE IIUC is using the same naming scheme. Probably a more important step than any particular theme design for interoperability > > As for the icons themselves, I can see both pluses and minuses of > either having an own theme or adopting Tango. > A new theme is certainly a lot of work (maybe duplicate work) and have > to be maintained for a long period of time (see the subject of this > message) but it can improve the identity of the distro and expand the > community. Look at how much publicity has Tango generated. Fedora project generally hasnt been good at marketing and the focus has remained mostly on churning out engineering resources on improving the underlying system rather than look and feel. The current development branch has received some attention and some of the efforts should be visible by now. Involving more of the community into the design process is a good goal. Suggestions welcome. > However, looking back at the logo design process, I am not very > confident our community excels in the graphic department: basically > the community was not able to come with a good enough logo and in the > end an external (professional) design was used. > Partially thats the failure of the marketing project to define a set of guidelines for the artists before throwing open the contest and get the desktop/design team on board to discuss the proposals and offer suggestions. It also brought in the need to reach out better to the community for various Fedora related news. We learned from that and I am working on improving in both these fronts. regards Rahul From sdl.web at gmail.com Thu Dec 8 05:25:22 2005 From: sdl.web at gmail.com (leon) Date: Thu, 08 Dec 2005 05:25:22 +0000 Subject: request two icons for Bluecurve References: <86oe3t75bz.fsf@gmail.com> <43969018.2070906@nicubunu.ro> Message-ID: <86k6eg6tz1.fsf@gmail.com> Nicu Buculei writes: | Can we get from somewhere the color palette for Bluecurve? Even if it | is not in .gpl format (used by GIMP and Inkscape), it would be enough | to have the hexadecimal codes, I can assemble a palette file and | publish it. | | | BTW, what is the future of Bluecurve? At least does it have a future? | It looks like the development of Bluecurve practically stopped around | the release of FC2, I think it should be either revived or | discontinued. | | How about starting a new generation theme with community involvement, | the same way Novell do with Tango (http://tango-project.org/)? Can't believe one of the greatest themes on linux planet is going this way. Why doesn't fedora put some effort to make it more complete? -- .:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:. . * . . /.\ Merry Christmas . . /..'\ . . /'.'\ -- Leon . . /.''.'\ . . /.'.'.\ . . /'.''.'.\ . . ^^^[_]^^^ . .:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:. From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Thu Dec 8 07:01:44 2005 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Thu, 08 Dec 2005 09:01:44 +0200 Subject: request two icons for Bluecurve In-Reply-To: <86k6eg6tz1.fsf@gmail.com> References: <86oe3t75bz.fsf@gmail.com> <43969018.2070906@nicubunu.ro> <86k6eg6tz1.fsf@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4397DA58.8060804@nicubunu.ro> leon wrote: > > Can't believe one of the greatest themes on linux planet is going this > way. > > Why doesn't fedora put some effort to make it more complete? The author of Bluecurve has left Red Hat in 2004. The sources for icons are available but only in Adobe Illustrator format, making impossible for a Linux user to edit them. Also, we don't have specifications (color palettes, style guidelines) so recreating the theme from scratch using available tools is very hard (it would practically mean reverse engineering). -- nicu my hats collection: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/hats/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From ovidiu at linux360.ro Thu Dec 8 07:59:19 2005 From: ovidiu at linux360.ro (Ovidiu Lixandru) Date: Thu, 08 Dec 2005 09:59:19 +0200 Subject: request two icons for Bluecurve In-Reply-To: <86k6eg6tz1.fsf@gmail.com> References: <86oe3t75bz.fsf@gmail.com> <43969018.2070906@nicubunu.ro> <86k6eg6tz1.fsf@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4397E7D7.2010504@linux360.ro> leon wrote: > Can't believe one of the greatest themes on linux planet is going this > way. Others have seen it coming ever since Clearlooks was pushed as a default for the desktop. > Why doesn't fedora put some effort to make it more complete? Because there is nobody as tallented and skilled as Garrett willing to work pro bono? -- Ovidiu Lixandru linux360 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: smime.p7s Type: application/x-pkcs7-signature Size: 5653 bytes Desc: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature URL: From ovidiu at linux360.ro Thu Dec 8 08:08:34 2005 From: ovidiu at linux360.ro (Ovidiu Lixandru) Date: Thu, 08 Dec 2005 10:08:34 +0200 Subject: request two icons for Bluecurve In-Reply-To: <4397DA58.8060804@nicubunu.ro> References: <86oe3t75bz.fsf@gmail.com> <43969018.2070906@nicubunu.ro> <86k6eg6tz1.fsf@gmail.com> <4397DA58.8060804@nicubunu.ro> Message-ID: <4397EA02.7080609@linux360.ro> Nicu Buculei wrote: > The author of Bluecurve has left Red Hat in 2004. The sources for icons > are available but only in Adobe Illustrator format, making impossible > for a Linux user to edit them. Has anyone shouted "I need these in SVG format to start editing" and nobody answered? Where there's a will, there's a way. > Also, we don't have specifications (color palettes, style guidelines) so > recreating the theme from scratch using available tools is very hard (it > would practically mean reverse engineering). IMHO, Fedora has two good paths and a bad one. The first are to either hire a professional to extend their new visual identity with a common desktop theme (just as Bluecurve was back then), a set of professional wallpapers and so on or embrace Tango. The bad one is what's happening now, just to blindly follow upstream and hope gnome-look.org or whichever will suffice. -- Ovidiu Lixandru linux360 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: smime.p7s Type: application/x-pkcs7-signature Size: 5653 bytes Desc: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature URL: From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Thu Dec 8 08:15:36 2005 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Thu, 08 Dec 2005 10:15:36 +0200 Subject: request two icons for Bluecurve In-Reply-To: <4397E7D7.2010504@linux360.ro> References: <86oe3t75bz.fsf@gmail.com> <43969018.2070906@nicubunu.ro> <86k6eg6tz1.fsf@gmail.com> <4397E7D7.2010504@linux360.ro> Message-ID: <4397EBA8.4030809@nicubunu.ro> Ovidiu Lixandru wrote: > leon wrote: > >> Can't believe one of the greatest themes on linux planet is going this >> way. > > > Others have seen it coming ever since Clearlooks was pushed as a default > for the desktop. When talking about a theme we talk in fact about two components: window decorations and icons. Clearlooks is the default GNOME theme and is derived from Bluecurve, but it only cover widgets, not icons. As for icon themes, IMO both Bluecurve and Industrial looks aged (Bluecurve was intoduced in RHL 8, this was more than 3 years ago) -- nicu my hats collection: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/hats Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From sdl.web at gmail.com Thu Dec 8 08:22:56 2005 From: sdl.web at gmail.com (leon) Date: Thu, 08 Dec 2005 08:22:56 +0000 Subject: request two icons for Bluecurve References: <86oe3t75bz.fsf@gmail.com> <43969018.2070906@nicubunu.ro> <86k6eg6tz1.fsf@gmail.com> <4397E7D7.2010504@linux360.ro> <4397EBA8.4030809@nicubunu.ro> Message-ID: <86u0dk3sm7.fsf@gmail.com> Nicu Buculei writes: | | When talking about a theme we talk in fact about two components: | window decorations and icons. | | Clearlooks is the default GNOME theme and is derived from Bluecurve, | but it only cover widgets, not icons. | | As for icon themes, IMO both Bluecurve and Industrial looks aged | (Bluecurve was intoduced in RHL 8, this was more than 3 years ago) Icon theme is much more difficult to create than gtk and metacity theme. Anyway it's always good to see more icon themes. I'm interested in learning how to build icons. -- .:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:. . * . . /.\ Merry Christmas . . /..'\ . . /'.'\ -- Leon . . /.''.'\ . . /.'.'.\ . . /'.''.'.\ . . ^^^[_]^^^ . .:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:. From ovidiu at linux360.ro Thu Dec 8 08:29:04 2005 From: ovidiu at linux360.ro (Ovidiu Lixandru) Date: Thu, 08 Dec 2005 10:29:04 +0200 Subject: request two icons for Bluecurve In-Reply-To: <4397EBA8.4030809@nicubunu.ro> References: <86oe3t75bz.fsf@gmail.com> <43969018.2070906@nicubunu.ro> <86k6eg6tz1.fsf@gmail.com> <4397E7D7.2010504@linux360.ro> <4397EBA8.4030809@nicubunu.ro> Message-ID: <4397EED0.7080601@linux360.ro> Nicu Buculei wrote: > When talking about a theme we talk in fact about two components: window > decorations and icons. Agreed. > Clearlooks is the default GNOME theme and is derived from Bluecurve, but > it only cover widgets, not icons. There was a default theme for GNOME when Bluecurve appeared, too. > As for icon themes, IMO both Bluecurve and Industrial looks aged > (Bluecurve was intoduced in RHL 8, this was more than 3 years ago) Perhaps, but I prefer an aged but complet set, to a mixture of visual components that fit like crap. GNOME with an upstream widgets theme and BC icons, KDE still on full BC, a creepy wallpaper made by God-knows-who and so on. If Fedora keeps mixing, nothing good will come out. You may look to any major distro and see that they either stick to upstream (Debian, Gentoo), or create/maintain a complete visual appearance for their desktop (Ubuntu, Mandriva, SUSE, Novell, etc). -- Ovidiu Lixandru linux360 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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GNOME with an upstream widgets theme > and BC icons, KDE still on full BC, a creepy wallpaper made by > God-knows-who and so on. Feel free to submit better looking wallpapers or any other artwork . http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork regards Rahul From ovidiu at linux360.ro Thu Dec 8 09:10:57 2005 From: ovidiu at linux360.ro (Ovidiu Lixandru) Date: Thu, 08 Dec 2005 11:10:57 +0200 Subject: request two icons for Bluecurve In-Reply-To: <4397F5D3.1080201@redhat.com> References: <86oe3t75bz.fsf@gmail.com> <43969018.2070906@nicubunu.ro> <86k6eg6tz1.fsf@gmail.com> <4397E7D7.2010504@linux360.ro> <4397EBA8.4030809@nicubunu.ro> <4397EED0.7080601@linux360.ro> <4397F5D3.1080201@redhat.com> Message-ID: <4397F8A1.7010307@linux360.ro> Rahul Sundaram wrote: > Feel free to submit better looking wallpapers or any other artwork . > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork If I had the talent, I would. Just a skilled hand in GIMP or Photoshop doesn't make one a great artist. Rahul, I'm not bitching around. I'm reasoning and hoping to see the good work done with the logo taken further, to the whole desktop. -- Ovidiu Lixandru linux360 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: smime.p7s Type: application/x-pkcs7-signature Size: 5653 bytes Desc: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature URL: From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Thu Dec 8 09:13:54 2005 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Thu, 08 Dec 2005 11:13:54 +0200 Subject: request two icons for Bluecurve In-Reply-To: <4397F5D3.1080201@redhat.com> References: <86oe3t75bz.fsf@gmail.com> <43969018.2070906@nicubunu.ro> <86k6eg6tz1.fsf@gmail.com> <4397E7D7.2010504@linux360.ro> <4397EBA8.4030809@nicubunu.ro> <4397EED0.7080601@linux360.ro> <4397F5D3.1080201@redhat.com> Message-ID: <4397F952.5070404@nicubunu.ro> Rahul Sundaram wrote: > > Feel free to submit better looking wallpapers or any other artwork . > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork Can we have an open process for this? I just don't feel like spamming Diana or J5 with my crappy creations :p Also, it would be useful to know what happened with your submission, maybe it just got tagged by a spam filter and ended in a trash folder. -- nicu my hats collection: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/hats/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From sundaram at redhat.com Thu Dec 8 09:21:01 2005 From: sundaram at redhat.com (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Thu, 08 Dec 2005 14:51:01 +0530 Subject: request two icons for Bluecurve In-Reply-To: <4397F8A1.7010307@linux360.ro> References: <86oe3t75bz.fsf@gmail.com> <43969018.2070906@nicubunu.ro> <86k6eg6tz1.fsf@gmail.com> <4397E7D7.2010504@linux360.ro> <4397EBA8.4030809@nicubunu.ro> <4397EED0.7080601@linux360.ro> <4397F5D3.1080201@redhat.com> <4397F8A1.7010307@linux360.ro> Message-ID: <4397FAFD.2020205@redhat.com> Ovidiu Lixandru wrote: > Rahul Sundaram wrote: > >> Feel free to submit better looking wallpapers or any other artwork . >> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork > > > If I had the talent, I would. Just a skilled hand in GIMP or Photoshop > doesn't make one a great artist. > Rahul, I'm not bitching around. I'm reasoning and hoping to see the > good work done with the logo taken further, to the whole desktop. It wasnt just a comment directed just to you but everyone following the discussion and has interest and skills to contribute. There are design improvements in the pipeline for the upcoming releases. There wasnt enough time in this release to plan out a community process to solicit contributions and has things out. So while opinions are fine and dandy, let it move beyond personal expressions of distaste over the current artwork. regards Rahul From sundaram at redhat.com Thu Dec 8 09:21:51 2005 From: sundaram at redhat.com (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Thu, 08 Dec 2005 14:51:51 +0530 Subject: request two icons for Bluecurve In-Reply-To: <4397F952.5070404@nicubunu.ro> References: <86oe3t75bz.fsf@gmail.com> <43969018.2070906@nicubunu.ro> <86k6eg6tz1.fsf@gmail.com> <4397E7D7.2010504@linux360.ro> <4397EBA8.4030809@nicubunu.ro> <4397EED0.7080601@linux360.ro> <4397F5D3.1080201@redhat.com> <4397F952.5070404@nicubunu.ro> Message-ID: <4397FB2F.3060905@redhat.com> Nicu Buculei wrote: > Rahul Sundaram wrote: > >> >> Feel free to submit better looking wallpapers or any other artwork . >> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork > > > Can we have an open process for this? I just don't feel like spamming > Diana or J5 with my crappy creations :p > Also, it would be useful to know what happened with your submission, > maybe it just got tagged by a spam filter and ended in a trash folder. > Probably something to look at for the subsequent releases. Send in a reminder at the start of the next development release. regards Rahul From ovidiu at linux360.ro Thu Dec 8 09:34:02 2005 From: ovidiu at linux360.ro (Ovidiu Lixandru) Date: Thu, 08 Dec 2005 11:34:02 +0200 Subject: request two icons for Bluecurve In-Reply-To: <4397FAFD.2020205@redhat.com> References: <86oe3t75bz.fsf@gmail.com> <43969018.2070906@nicubunu.ro> <86k6eg6tz1.fsf@gmail.com> <4397E7D7.2010504@linux360.ro> <4397EBA8.4030809@nicubunu.ro> <4397EED0.7080601@linux360.ro> <4397F5D3.1080201@redhat.com> <4397F8A1.7010307@linux360.ro> <4397FAFD.2020205@redhat.com> Message-ID: <4397FE0A.7080505@linux360.ro> Rahul Sundaram wrote: > It wasnt just a comment directed just to you but everyone following the > discussion and has interest and skills to contribute. There are design > improvements in the pipeline for the upcoming releases. There wasnt > enough time in this release to plan out a community process to solicit > contributions and has things out. So while opinions are fine and dandy, > let it move beyond personal expressions of distaste over the current > artwork. Excellent news. I couldn't see anything specific on "design improvements" although I keep a close eye on both desktop and marketing lists. Where can I read more about this? Promise I'll stop impaling the current artwork as soon as I see there's something good coming Fedora desktop's way. :P -- Ovidiu Lixandru linux360 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Promise I'll stop > impaling the current artwork as soon as I see there's something good > coming Fedora desktop's way. :P Desktop changes seem to be catching everyone's eye. The current development tree has mouse cursor changes as commented in several reviews. There is a ongoing effort to clean up the menu and organize it better. Diana talked about getting in other changes. Wait and see! regards Rahul From sdl.web at gmail.com Thu Dec 8 20:48:37 2005 From: sdl.web at gmail.com (leon) Date: Thu, 08 Dec 2005 20:48:37 +0000 Subject: request two icons for Bluecurve References: <86oe3t75bz.fsf@gmail.com> <43969018.2070906@nicubunu.ro> <86k6eg6tz1.fsf@gmail.com> <4397DA58.8060804@nicubunu.ro> Message-ID: <86u0dj8gd6.fsf@gmail.com> Nicu Buculei writes: | leon wrote: | > Can't believe one of the greatest themes on linux planet is going | > this | > way. | > Why doesn't fedora put some effort to make it more complete? | | The author of Bluecurve has left Red Hat in 2004. The sources for | icons are available but only in Adobe Illustrator format, making | impossible for a Linux user to edit them. Is it possible to convert the format to a linux-friendly one? | Also, we don't have specifications (color palettes, style guidelines) | so recreating the theme from scratch using available tools is very | hard (it would practically mean reverse engineering). Sad. -- .:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:. . * . . /.\ Merry Christmas . . /..'\ . . /'.'\ -- Leon . . /.''.'\ . . /.'.'.\ . . /'.''.'.\ . . ^^^[_]^^^ . .:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:. From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Fri Dec 9 07:35:21 2005 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Fri, 09 Dec 2005 09:35:21 +0200 Subject: request two icons for Bluecurve In-Reply-To: <86u0dj8gd6.fsf@gmail.com> References: <86oe3t75bz.fsf@gmail.com> <43969018.2070906@nicubunu.ro> <86k6eg6tz1.fsf@gmail.com> <4397DA58.8060804@nicubunu.ro> <86u0dj8gd6.fsf@gmail.com> Message-ID: <439933B9.9000503@nicubunu.ro> leon wrote: > Nicu Buculei writes: > > | The author of Bluecurve has left Red Hat in 2004. The sources for > | icons are available but only in Adobe Illustrator format, making > | impossible for a Linux user to edit them. > > Is it possible to convert the format to a linux-friendly one? Is possible to open the .ai files in Adobe Illustrator and save them as SVG. Inkscape will not be very happy dealing with such big files and Illustrator do nasty things from time to time at SVG export, but at least this would produce something. -- nicu my hats collection: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/hats Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From dawson at fnal.gov Fri Dec 9 20:02:10 2005 From: dawson at fnal.gov (Troy Dawson) Date: Fri, 09 Dec 2005 14:02:10 -0600 Subject: Fedora Icons/Themes vs RedHat's Message-ID: <4399E2C2.8060309@fnal.gov> Hi, First off, thanks to all those that work on the desktop, themes, icons, and general look. I know it's alot of work, and most people don't realize how detail oriented it is. So you have my thanks, everyone who's helped with the look of Fedora. Now for my question. Does RedHat have an official desktop team? Some team that develops their graphics, themes, look and feel? Or is RedHat dependant on what Fedora turns out? One reason I ask this, is because back around the time that Garrett was leaving, I thought that RedHat hired several people, a whole team, to do what he did. (Granted, a team can be just 2 people) What happened to those people? The other reason I ask this, is because I'm curious if we contribute various graphics, if those graphics will be eventually show up in RHEL, or if RedHat will strip them out putting in their own graphics. Thanks Troy Dawson -- __________________________________________________ Troy Dawson dawson at fnal.gov (630)840-6468 Fermilab ComputingDivision/CSS CSI Group __________________________________________________ From johnp at redhat.com Fri Dec 9 22:57:49 2005 From: johnp at redhat.com (John (J5) Palmieri) Date: Fri, 09 Dec 2005 17:57:49 -0500 Subject: Fedora Icons/Themes vs RedHat's In-Reply-To: <4399E2C2.8060309@fnal.gov> References: <4399E2C2.8060309@fnal.gov> Message-ID: <1134169069.5549.10.camel@localhost.localdomain> Diana Fong our Visual Designer took over for Garrett. The "official" theme for RHEL is BlueCurve which is under the GPL and packaged in redhat-artwork (which I am the maintainer). Artists in Fedora can submit icons to be added if they wish or fork the icon set. There may be legal considerations to think about also like the use of trademarked graphics even if you created the graphics yourself. If you make a graphic and it is accepted for BlueCurve it will show up in RHEL unless we move to another icon theme of course (which would also be part of Fedora if we ever did that). It is hard enough maintaining one icon set. If we need special icons that couldn't be part of Fedora, they would be put into redhat-logos. On Fri, 2005-12-09 at 14:02 -0600, Troy Dawson wrote: > Hi, > First off, thanks to all those that work on the desktop, themes, icons, > and general look. I know it's alot of work, and most people don't > realize how detail oriented it is. So you have my thanks, everyone > who's helped with the look of Fedora. > > Now for my question. > > Does RedHat have an official desktop team? Some team that develops > their graphics, themes, look and feel? Or is RedHat dependant on what > Fedora turns out? > > One reason I ask this, is because back around the time that Garrett was > leaving, I thought that RedHat hired several people, a whole team, to do > what he did. (Granted, a team can be just 2 people) What happened to > those people? > > The other reason I ask this, is because I'm curious if we contribute > various graphics, if those graphics will be eventually show up in RHEL, > or if RedHat will strip them out putting in their own graphics. > > Thanks > Troy Dawson > -- > __________________________________________________ > Troy Dawson dawson at fnal.gov (630)840-6468 > Fermilab ComputingDivision/CSS CSI Group > __________________________________________________ > -- John (J5) Palmieri From sdl.web at gmail.com Sat Dec 10 01:33:12 2005 From: sdl.web at gmail.com (leon) Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2005 01:33:12 +0000 Subject: request two icons for Bluecurve References: <86oe3t75bz.fsf@gmail.com> <43969018.2070906@nicubunu.ro> <86k6eg6tz1.fsf@gmail.com> <4397DA58.8060804@nicubunu.ro> <86u0dj8gd6.fsf@gmail.com> <439933B9.9000503@nicubunu.ro> Message-ID: <86r78lbusn.fsf@gmail.com> Nicu Buculei writes: | leon wrote: | > Nicu Buculei writes: | > | The author of Bluecurve has left Red Hat in 2004. The sources for | > | icons are available but only in Adobe Illustrator format, making | > | impossible for a Linux user to edit them. | > Is it possible to convert the format to a linux-friendly one? | | Is possible to open the .ai files in Adobe Illustrator and save them as SVG. | Inkscape will not be very happy dealing with such big files and | Illustrator do nasty things from time to time at SVG export, but at | least this would produce something. | I'll do this on Tuesday. -- .:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:. . * . . /.\ Merry Christmas . . /..'\ . . /'.'\ -- Leon . . /.''.'\ . . /.'.'.\ . . /'.''.'.\ . . ^^^[_]^^^ . .:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:. From sdl.web at gmail.com Sun Dec 11 02:20:09 2005 From: sdl.web at gmail.com (leon) Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2005 02:20:09 +0000 Subject: request two icons for Bluecurve References: <86oe3t75bz.fsf@gmail.com> <43969018.2070906@nicubunu.ro> <86k6eg6tz1.fsf@gmail.com> <4397DA58.8060804@nicubunu.ro> <86u0dj8gd6.fsf@gmail.com> <439933B9.9000503@nicubunu.ro> Message-ID: <86slt08jdy.fsf@gmail.com> Nicu Buculei writes: | leon wrote: | > Nicu Buculei writes: | > | The author of Bluecurve has left Red Hat in 2004. The sources for | > | icons are available but only in Adobe Illustrator format, making | > | impossible for a Linux user to edit them. | > Is it possible to convert the format to a linux-friendly one? | | Is possible to open the .ai files in Adobe Illustrator and save them as SVG. | Inkscape will not be very happy dealing with such big files and | Illustrator do nasty things from time to time at SVG export, but at | least this would produce something. | Where can I find the .ai files? Cheers -- .:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:. . * . . /.\ Merry Christmas . . /..'\ . . /'.'\ -- Leon . . /.''.'\ . . /.'.'.\ . . /'.''.'.\ . . ^^^[_]^^^ . .:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:. From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Sun Dec 11 08:12:28 2005 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2005 10:12:28 +0200 Subject: request two icons for Bluecurve In-Reply-To: <86slt08jdy.fsf@gmail.com> References: <86oe3t75bz.fsf@gmail.com> <43969018.2070906@nicubunu.ro> <86k6eg6tz1.fsf@gmail.com> <4397DA58.8060804@nicubunu.ro> <86u0dj8gd6.fsf@gmail.com> <439933B9.9000503@nicubunu.ro> <86slt08jdy.fsf@gmail.com> Message-ID: <439BDF6C.5090001@nicubunu.ro> leon wrote: > Nicu Buculei writes: > > | Is possible to open the .ai files in Adobe Illustrator and save them as SVG. > | Inkscape will not be very happy dealing with such big files and > | Illustrator do nasty things from time to time at SVG export, but at > | least this would produce something. > | > Where can I find the .ai files? http://people.redhat.com/~glesage/artwork/Fedora/ From jiangguowei2000 at hotmail.com Mon Dec 12 05:47:24 2005 From: jiangguowei2000 at hotmail.com (jiang guowei) Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 05:47:24 +0000 Subject: Why not do an all-sided testing for fedora? Message-ID: Hi! Ostl(Open Source Testing Lab) has ever done an all-sided testing for ubuntu5.04, and published their testing report at http://www.paul.sladen.org/ubuntu/ostl/UbuntuDefectReport.pdf http://www.paul.sladen.org/ubuntu/ostl/UbuntuTestingReport.pdf or http://snipurl.com/UbuntuDefectReport http://snipurl.com/UbuntuTestingReport Why not ask ostl to do a similar testing for our fedora?All is free. _________________________________________________________________ ???? MSN Explorer: http://explorer.msn.com/lccn/ From sdl.web at gmail.com Sat Dec 17 08:24:17 2005 From: sdl.web at gmail.com (leon) Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2005 08:24:17 +0000 Subject: request two icons for Bluecurve References: <86oe3t75bz.fsf@gmail.com> <43969018.2070906@nicubunu.ro> <86k6eg6tz1.fsf@gmail.com> <4397DA58.8060804@nicubunu.ro> <86u0dj8gd6.fsf@gmail.com> <439933B9.9000503@nicubunu.ro> <86slt08jdy.fsf@gmail.com> <439BDF6C.5090001@nicubunu.ro> Message-ID: <8664poyvv2.fsf@gmail.com> Nicu Buculei writes: | leon wrote: | > Nicu Buculei writes: | > | Is possible to open the .ai files in Adobe Illustrator and save | > them as SVG. | > | Inkscape will not be very happy dealing with such big files and | > | Illustrator do nasty things from time to time at SVG export, but at | > | least this would produce something. | > | Where can I find the .ai files? | | http://people.redhat.com/~glesage/artwork/Fedora/ Do you think it's worth to convert them to .svg? Are they released under GPL? Thank you. -- .:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:. . * . . /.\ Merry Christmas . . /..'\ . . /'.'\ -- Leon . . /.''.'\ . . /.'.'.\ . . /'.''.'.\ . . ^^^[_]^^^ . .:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:. From aonibudo at gmail.com Sat Dec 17 12:31:06 2005 From: aonibudo at gmail.com (abayomi onibudo) Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2005 12:31:06 +0000 Subject: Graphical Login screen background color Message-ID: Hi all, i was wondering if anyone could share on how to change the Blue background color of the Graphical Login screen? I will also like to include this in a customization for my distro, which relevant rpm can such chnage be made for my custom distro? Thanks Abayomi -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Sun Dec 18 10:25:24 2005 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 12:25:24 +0200 Subject: Graphical Login screen background color In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <43A53914.5080704@nicubunu.ro> abayomi onibudo wrote: > Hi all, > > i was wondering if anyone could share on how to change the Blue > background color of the Graphical Login screen? I will also like to > include this in a customization for my distro, which relevant rpm can > such chnage be made for my custom distro? The login screen is GDM, found obviously in the "gdm" package. Use gdm.conf to define which theme is used by default. The default blue theme in Fedora is Bluecurve, part of the redhat-artwork package. From lavel at solomonscomputing.com Sun Dec 25 20:26:01 2005 From: lavel at solomonscomputing.com (Solomon) Date: Sun, 25 Dec 2005 12:26:01 -0800 Subject: Merry Christmas Message-ID: <1135542361.5536.10.camel@localhost.localdomain> Hey, I know the post is off topic, but I am new to Fedora 4 and I have gotten a lot of assistance from this list. I call this friends without faces and the best Christmas gift you can get are friends (and a 19" LCD monitor). Hey I pray everyone, their family and friends the very best. Thanks ! Solomon -- The widows son is often seen With computers he checks at night When systems crash and thoughts careen He verifies inputs are right .................GAOTU Bless, Solomon... From sundaram at redhat.com Mon Dec 26 11:59:53 2005 From: sundaram at redhat.com (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Mon, 26 Dec 2005 17:29:53 +0530 Subject: Merry Christmas In-Reply-To: <1135542361.5536.10.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1135542361.5536.10.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <43AFDB39.60204@redhat.com> Solomon wrote: >Hey, >I know the post is off topic, but I am new to Fedora 4 and I have gotten >a lot of assistance from this list. I call this friends without faces >and the best Christmas gift you can get are friends (and a 19" LCD >monitor). Hey I pray everyone, their family and friends the very best. >Thanks ! >Solomon > > Merry Christmas to you Solomon. Happy holidays. -- Rahul Learn. Network. Experience open source. Red Hat Summit Nashville | May 30 - June 2, 2006 Learn more: http://www.redhat.com/promo/summit/