Desktop integration

[Nicu Buculei]

Peter Backlund wrote:
> I'd like to give my point of view of the current state of Bluecurve and
> desktop integration in Fedora, focusing on the artwork.
> 
> -- The icon set --
> 
> The BC icon set is of course comprehensive and generally of very high
> quality, but there are areas where it is lacking: very small icons,
> 16x16 or 20x20, are often badly hinted. It looks like the 48x48 version
> has been scaled down, and a very sharp black edge has been added along
> the perimeter. Sometimes hinting is missing entirely, leaving a very
> blurry icon. Also, too much detail is crammed into the small icons.
> 
> Compare these two screenshots of the Gnome file selector:
> 
> http://petrix.se/fedora/fileselector_bluecurve.png
> 
> http://petrix.se/fedora/fileselector_gnome.png
> 
> The Gnome icons on the left are not only scaled-down versions of the
> larger ones, but completely redesigned. The Bluecurve Home and Desktop
> icons are good examples of down-scaled, black-outlined icons with too
> much detail, and the filesystem icons are missing hinting.

comparing the two icon sets, you will see two different approaches:  the 
Gnome ones are made at bitmaps, requiring a complete redesign for 
various sizes; the Bluecurve icons are made in vectorial format (Adobe 
Illustrator), which means at resize only minor adjustments are needed. 
unfortunately, as you observe, this adjustment was not made or is not 
good enough.
i would like something else: the icon set made in a *free* scalable 
format, permitting contributors to work with affordable free tools 
(ideally with tools included in Fedora Core). back when Bluecurve was 
created, this was not possible, but, IMO, now a tool like Inkscape was 
matured enough, is good enough to be used to create a complete icon set, 
and as part of Fedora Extras is accessible to potential contributors.
note: in a future fully Cairo accelerated desktop make sense to have a 
SVG icon set.

> -- OpenOffice.org/NWF --
> 
> The state of of NWF in OOo in 1.1.x, and also in 2.0, is promising at
> best. If it were up to me, I wouldn't ship it for a few more months. The
> widget coverage has increased in 2.0, but the quality of individual
> widgets is still very low.

OOo 2.0 is still under heavy development, both at Red Hat and upstream 
and NWF is part of this ongoing development. as the OOo release is still 
at least two months away, there is time for visible improvements.

> Sizes, alignment, shapes, highlighting etc etc. Since the Open Office
> suite is such a prominent application, I believe more manpower should be
> thrown at the problem. I know this comes off very negative, and I do not
> mean to diminish the efforts of the NWF hackers (Dan W for example). It
> will look tremendous once it's done. It's just that 100% of the widgets
> are 50% finished, and it would look a lot better if 50% of the widgets
> were 100% done, and the rest were #ifdef-ed out until they are done. 

here i don't agree: 50% of widgets done and the rest untouched look very 
inconsistent.
take as an example the OOo iconset as included in FC3: half Bluecurve 
and half Industrial:
http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/ooo-bluecurve.png
IMO, this floppy icon example is very good: having access to the icons 
source (which as i said before, is AI) any contributor can produce a 
Bluecurve version of the second icon in less than one minute (just add a 
black triangle to the save one)

> -- Firefox/Thunderbird (XUL) --
> 
> FF/TB look fairly good already, but have a number of annoying rendering
> bugs. Submenu arrows, icons alignment on buttons and so on. Better icon
> coverage in the menus would also be nice -look at the Industrial theme,
> it has icons for nearly every menu entry:
> 
> http://linuxart.com/log/archives/2004/09/20/industrial-for-firefox/       

i agree: the default browser should make full use of the icon set used 
on the desktop (and not introduce a new style of icons)

> -- Conclusion -- 
> 
> So let me sum up:

well, as you may know, the look of FC3 was seriously lacking partly 
because the author of the original Bluecurve has left Red Hat around FC2 
release time and it was a few months until they found a replacement.

i believe the best solution is to increase the community involvement in 
maintaining and creating the icon theme

-- 
nicu