fedora 6/7 - why do you ignore k3b by default?

[Valent Turkovic]

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On 5/16/07, Valent Turkovic <valent.turkovic at gmail.com> wrote:
> On 5/16/07, Nicu Buculei <nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro> wrote:
> > Valent Turkovic wrote:
> > >
> > > I installed k3b on my gnome desktop after and some kde dependencies
> > > got also installed. so what?!? is that a bad thing?!? Users don't care
> >
> > Yes, wasted space is a bad thing:
> > - on the media space is important, the liveCD had already to leave out
> > useful applications due to space constraints;
>
> I didn't mention livecd. I'm talking about dvd installation.
>
> > - for an online install there is much more to download;
>
> Well until they invent quantum data transfer and you have everything
> installed before you finish your thought about installing it.
>
> For every app there is an package that needs to be installed - that is
> obvious and shouldn't even be mentioned.
>
> > - more libraries will require  more updates to be downloaded and
> > installed in the future;
>
> I'm very active in pushing deltarpm - if you really wan't to make a
> real change then get involved in presto yum plugin project.
>
> > - how about machines with a limited amount of RAM?
>
> If somebody can run gnome or kde deskop I can bet you that it can run k3b.
>
> > > which toolkit an app uses - when they can use it and it works.
> >
> > I detailed in another message why users care. Well, maybe not the users
> > coming from Windows, where almost every application has its own
> > incompatible look and feel...
>
> Have you been to real world recently? I suggest you walk around and
> look at other peoples desktops - and count how much of them are in
> mixed mode - KDE desktop + gnome apps or Gnome desktiops + KDE apps.
>
> Then tell me who uses only Gnome desktop and not a single app that
> uses qt widget set or vice versa. I can bet you won't find any.
>
> > > Ok, 3 seconds it too much time to wait :) Then switch to windows, they
> > > boot much faster than linux :) Speed is not a sane argument here for
> > > me.
> >
> > GnomeBaker is much faster to start (because the libraries are already in
> > memory).
>
> I answered this in previous message - it is not because of libraries -
> please get to know how k3b works before you send such false
> information.
>
> I have kde libraries loaded because I have krusader or some other kde
> app already running and it is still slower to start k3b - but only a
> second slower, and that is because k3b checks the system and
> configuration - NOT because of libraries need to load.
>
> > > I use it all the time, ISO burning the most, making cd and dvd
> > > compilations of multimedia... etc... formating DVD-RW and DVD+RW's...
> >
> > I believe you know about ISO burning with a right-click directly from
> > Nautilus.
>
> And I believe you know that nautilus doesn't have md5 calculator on
> it's right click integrated with the ISO burning.
> I know why I use k3b over nautilus.
>
> > >> Of course, the rule is not always true, as Firefox is preferred to
> > >> Epiphany, and examples can continue on both sides.
> > >
> > > Firefox is a great example and also is OpenOffice on KDE where it
> > > feels a bit misplaced but is needed still.
> >
> > I see quite a lot of KDE users preferring Konqueror instead of Firefox
> > and OpenOffice.org was kicked out of the LiveCD because is too large.
>
> Great - one single most important app on the whole linux desktop and
> it is not on livecd - I really strongly believe that it is a really
> huge mistake. Ubuntu in then clearly a much much better live CD then
> IMHO - because if you wan't to present a "linux desktio" via LiveCD
> how would you do it without OpenOffice? What would you say to
> potentianl users - "You know there is this great office suite but we
> deleted it of the cd - but trust us it is great!" :)
>
> And again I wasn't aware I was talking about live-cd.
>