From tiagomatos at gmail.com Thu Dec 4 12:52:55 2008 From: tiagomatos at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?Q?Rui_Tiago_Ca=C3=A7=C3=A3o_Matos?=) Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2008 12:52:55 +0000 Subject: Readahead Message-ID: Hi, at point 2.6.3 of the F10 release notes it's implied that readahead is installed by default and should reduce boot time a bit. I installed from the Desktop live CD and didn't have that package installed, is that an oversight or was it on purpose? If so why? Thanks, Rui From kidboy at brturbo.com.br Thu Dec 4 18:50:47 2008 From: kidboy at brturbo.com.br (Bruno de Oliveira Bastos) Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2008 16:50:47 -0200 Subject: Problem with gnome-settings-daemon Message-ID: ------------------------------ Hi, i am using the us-international keyboard, and, when the gnome-settings-daemon start in my sesstion, the +c = ?, but when i disabled gnome-settings-daemon, the +c = ?, and works. 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You can go to System -> Preferences -> Personal -> Input Method and configure the input method that is used while gnome-settings-daemon is running. From johannbg at hi.is Thu Dec 11 06:39:15 2008 From: johannbg at hi.is (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22J=F3hann_B=2E_Gu=F0mundsson=22?=) Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 06:39:15 +0000 Subject: Screensaver cleanup Message-ID: <4940B593.109@hi.is> Has there been any thought cleaning up the screen savers? Get rid of those that were made in the dark ages and arent worth a GPU cycle on todays modern graphic cards and defaulting to more of an eye candy to enhance end-user(s) experience. JBG -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Cheers From ajax at redhat.com Thu Dec 11 14:42:13 2008 From: ajax at redhat.com (Adam Jackson) Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 09:42:13 -0500 Subject: Screensaver cleanup In-Reply-To: <4940B593.109@hi.is> References: <4940B593.109@hi.is> Message-ID: <1229006533.29700.88.camel@atropine.boston.devel.redhat.com> On Thu, 2008-12-11 at 06:39 +0000, "J?hann B. Gu?mundsson" wrote: > Has there been any thought cleaning up the screen savers? > > Get rid of those that were made in the dark ages and arent worth a GPU > cycle on > todays modern graphic cards and defaulting to more of an eye candy to > enhance end-user(s) > experience. The only ones I have in the gnome-screensaver list are: blank, random, cosmos, fedora bubbles, gnome feet, the blue pop are squares, and the pictures folder slideshow. Which of these are you opposed to? Also, we've been moving more to a model where the screen just turns off, in the name of saving power. - ajax -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 197 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From johannbg at hi.is Thu Dec 11 15:57:25 2008 From: johannbg at hi.is (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22J=F3hann_B=2E_Gu=F0mundsson=22?=) Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 15:57:25 +0000 Subject: Screensaver cleanup In-Reply-To: <1229006527.3159.1624.camel@cookie.hadess.net> References: <4940B593.109@hi.is> <1229006527.3159.1624.camel@cookie.hadess.net> Message-ID: <49413865.5010303@hi.is> Bastien Nocera wrote: > On Thu, 2008-12-11 at 06:39 +0000, "J?hann B. Gu?mundsson" wrote: > >> Has there been any thought cleaning up the screen savers? >> >> Get rid of those that were made in the dark ages and arent worth a GPU >> cycle on >> todays modern graphic cards and defaulting to more of an eye candy to >> enhance end-user(s) >> experience. >> > > Do you have anything more precise in terms of what you want to achieve? > Having a list of screensavers that shouldn't be shipped, or that we > should convert and add to gnome-screensaver would be useful. > > Cheers > > Yeah sorry about that. The defaults are fine they are just missing some eye candy :) Shall put together a list from both the X ones and the Gnome ones which I would like to see shipped with the default. JBG -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: johannbg.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 356 bytes Desc: not available URL: From johannbg at hi.is Thu Dec 11 16:04:56 2008 From: johannbg at hi.is (=?UTF-8?B?IkrDs2hhbm4gQi4gR3XDsG11bmRzc29uIg==?=) Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 16:04:56 +0000 Subject: Screensaver cleanup In-Reply-To: <1229006533.29700.88.camel@atropine.boston.devel.redhat.com> References: <4940B593.109@hi.is> <1229006533.29700.88.camel@atropine.boston.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <49413A28.3000606@hi.is> Adam Jackson wrote: > On Thu, 2008-12-11 at 06:39 +0000, "J?hann B. Gu?mundsson" wrote: > >> Has there been any thought cleaning up the screen savers? >> >> Get rid of those that were made in the dark ages and arent worth a GPU >> cycle on >> todays modern graphic cards and defaulting to more of an eye candy to >> enhance end-user(s) >> experience. >> > > The only ones I have in the gnome-screensaver list are: blank, random, > cosmos, fedora bubbles, gnome feet, the blue pop are squares, and the > pictures folder slideshow. Which of these are you opposed to? > > The defaults are fine they are just missing some eye candy :) > Also, we've been moving more to a model where the screen just turns off, > in the name of saving power. > That explains the bug I came across in anaconda when the screen went black after a while and I was unable to proceed with the install :) So for us in the world that do have juice but dont have money :- ) ( Icelanders ) How can I turn this feature off.. And this *feature* only applies to run level 5 right? JBG -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: johannbg.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 372 bytes Desc: not available URL: From tiagomatos at gmail.com Thu Dec 11 16:36:39 2008 From: tiagomatos at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?Q?Rui_Tiago_Ca=C3=A7=C3=A3o_Matos?=) Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 16:36:39 +0000 Subject: Screensaver cleanup In-Reply-To: <49413A28.3000606@hi.is> References: <4940B593.109@hi.is> <1229006533.29700.88.camel@atropine.boston.devel.redhat.com> <49413A28.3000606@hi.is> Message-ID: 2008/12/11 "J?hann B. Gu?mundsson" : >> Also, we've been moving more to a model where the screen just turns off, >> in the name of saving power. >> > > That explains the bug I came across in anaconda when the screen went black > after > a while and I was unable to proceed with the install :) That's certainly a bug, the screen should turn on as soon as you move your mouse or press a key. More importantly, more screensavers can and probably should be added to the gnome-screensaver list. But the default behaviour should indeed be the one that saves the most power, thus power down the screen after a while of inactivity. Actually it might be a good idea to add a "Note: screen savers are usually processor intensive and can drain your battery faster." to the gnome-screensaver preferences when on a laptop and the user chooses anything else than blank. Heck, maybe even make it unconditional and show it always for the environmentally clueless. Rui From linux at zamirfamily.com Tue Dec 16 05:52:40 2008 From: linux at zamirfamily.com (Dov Zamir) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 07:52:40 +0200 Subject: Problems with SCSI Disk recognition in Fedora 10 Message-ID: <49474228.1050004@zamirfamily.com> Hello Friends, If this is not the correct place to discuss this problem, then please accept my apologies, and kindly direct me to the correct list. I have upgraded two of my computers from Fedora 9 to Fedora 10. The first computer has several hard drives including SATA, ADA and an external USB drive, the last is recognized by Fedora as a SCSI disk. After updating this computer to F10, the boot sequence stopped while mounting the disks. It seems that it was unable, at this point, to recognize the UID it configured for the external disk. I commented out the line for this disk in /etc/fstab and then successfully rebooted. After the reboot, I removed the comment, mounet -a, and everything is fine. The computer will not reboot without this line commented out. A much more serious problem occurred when I upgraded a second computer. This computer only has SCSI disks. After upgrade, the computer would not boot, not recognizing the UID of its one and only LVM. I have not found a solution or a workaround for this. All my remaining computers have SCSI disks exclusively, so I am reluctant to upgrade them. Is this a known issue? Am I doing something wrong? This is a very serious issue. I now have a piece of metal sitting on the floor, instead of a web server, waiting for advice... DZ From davej at redhat.com Tue Dec 16 17:47:41 2008 From: davej at redhat.com (Dave Jones) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 12:47:41 -0500 Subject: Problems with SCSI Disk recognition in Fedora 10 In-Reply-To: <49474228.1050004@zamirfamily.com> References: <49474228.1050004@zamirfamily.com> Message-ID: <20081216174741.GA18902@redhat.com> On Tue, Dec 16, 2008 at 07:52:40AM +0200, Dov Zamir wrote: > A much more serious problem occurred when I upgraded a second computer. > This computer only has SCSI disks. After upgrade, the computer would not > boot, not recognizing the UID of its one and only LVM. I have not found > a solution or a workaround for this. > > All my remaining computers have SCSI disks exclusively, so I am > reluctant to upgrade them. > > Is this a known issue? Yes. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=470628 Dave -- http://www.codemonkey.org.uk From linux at zamirfamily.com Tue Dec 16 21:52:01 2008 From: linux at zamirfamily.com (Dov Zamir) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 23:52:01 +0200 Subject: Problems with SCSI Disk recognition in Fedora 10 In-Reply-To: <20081216174741.GA18902@redhat.com> References: <49474228.1050004@zamirfamily.com> <20081216174741.GA18902@redhat.com> Message-ID: <49482301.8020400@zamirfamily.com> Dave Jones wrote: > On Tue, Dec 16, 2008 at 07:52:40AM +0200, Dov Zamir wrote: > > > A much more serious problem occurred when I upgraded a second computer. > > This computer only has SCSI disks. After upgrade, the computer would not > > boot, not recognizing the UID of its one and only LVM. I have not found > > a solution or a workaround for this. > > > > All my remaining computers have SCSI disks exclusively, so I am > > reluctant to upgrade them. > > > > Is this a known issue? > > Yes. > > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=470628 > > Dave > Thanks Dave, But this bug seems to be just a 10 delay on startup. Mine doesn't do anything after the message. From davej at redhat.com Wed Dec 17 01:16:21 2008 From: davej at redhat.com (Dave Jones) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 20:16:21 -0500 Subject: Problems with SCSI Disk recognition in Fedora 10 In-Reply-To: <49482301.8020400@zamirfamily.com> References: <49474228.1050004@zamirfamily.com> <20081216174741.GA18902@redhat.com> <49482301.8020400@zamirfamily.com> Message-ID: <20081217011621.GC12933@redhat.com> On Tue, Dec 16, 2008 at 11:52:01PM +0200, Dov Zamir wrote: > > > All my remaining computers have SCSI disks exclusively, so I am > > > reluctant to upgrade them. > > > Is this a known issue? > > > > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=470628 > > But this bug seems to be just a 10 delay on startup. Mine doesn't do > anything after the message. The same problem manifests itself in several ways. Slow booting, or no booting. Dave -- http://www.codemonkey.org.uk From mclasen at redhat.com Thu Dec 18 15:58:01 2008 From: mclasen at redhat.com (Matthias Clasen) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 10:58:01 -0500 Subject: volume control changes Message-ID: <1229615881.3488.4.camel@matthiasc> Hey, just thought I should mention that we are currently landing some of the volume control improvements in rawhide that we are working on for F11. See http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/VolumeControl for more details. After things have settled, you should notice that the mixer applet is gone and instead a volume control icon shows up automatically in the notification area. Feedback appreciated, Matthias From davidz at redhat.com Thu Dec 18 17:08:20 2008 From: davidz at redhat.com (David Zeuthen) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 12:08:20 -0500 Subject: volume control changes In-Reply-To: <1229615881.3488.4.camel@matthiasc> References: <1229615881.3488.4.camel@matthiasc> Message-ID: <1229620100.8014.2.camel@x61.fubar.dk> On Thu, 2008-12-18 at 10:58 -0500, Matthias Clasen wrote: > Hey, just thought I should mention that we are currently landing some of > the volume control improvements in rawhide that we are working on for > F11. See http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/VolumeControl for more > details. After things have settled, you should notice that the mixer > applet is gone and instead a volume control icon shows up automatically > in the notification area. (dislaimer: I haven't actually tried this feature so maybe I'm speaking out of my ass.) Maybe this is just a small thing or me being suffering from OCD or something else or all of the above or a combination of the above. However. Can we make turn the volume control back into an applet? I really want it to be in the bottom right corner (Fitt's law, all that), not mingling with other notification icons... David From mclasen at redhat.com Thu Dec 18 18:11:02 2008 From: mclasen at redhat.com (Matthias Clasen) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 13:11:02 -0500 Subject: power management changes Message-ID: <1229623862.3488.23.camel@matthiasc> Another F11 feature that is starting to land in rawhide: Richard has built gnome-power-manager 2.25.1, which uses DeviceKit-power instead of hal. This should be a largely invisible change, as far as the user experience is concerned. Right, Richard ? From hughsient at gmail.com Thu Dec 18 18:32:37 2008 From: hughsient at gmail.com (Richard Hughes) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 18:32:37 +0000 Subject: power management changes In-Reply-To: <1229623862.3488.23.camel@matthiasc> References: <1229623862.3488.23.camel@matthiasc> Message-ID: <1229625157.3651.73.camel@hughsie-work.lan> On Thu, 2008-12-18 at 13:11 -0500, Matthias Clasen wrote: > Another F11 feature that is starting to land in rawhide: > Richard has built gnome-power-manager 2.25.1, which uses > DeviceKit-power instead of hal. This should be a largely invisible > change, as far as the user experience is concerned. Right, Richard ? Yes, it should be invisible if it's all working. The gnome-power-statistics application is now a whole lot more useful, and we support many more different types of power device. Yell if anything is broken. Richard. From william.jon.mccann at gmail.com Thu Dec 18 22:56:46 2008 From: william.jon.mccann at gmail.com (William Jon McCann) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 17:56:46 -0500 Subject: volume control changes In-Reply-To: <1229620100.8014.2.camel@x61.fubar.dk> References: <1229615881.3488.4.camel@matthiasc> <1229620100.8014.2.camel@x61.fubar.dk> Message-ID: <939dd5750812181456w66cb4aaas49a121b8b00be6ce@mail.gmail.com> On Thu, Dec 18, 2008 at 12:08 PM, David Zeuthen wrote: > On Thu, 2008-12-18 at 10:58 -0500, Matthias Clasen wrote: >> Hey, just thought I should mention that we are currently landing some of >> the volume control improvements in rawhide that we are working on for >> F11. See http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/VolumeControl for more >> details. After things have settled, you should notice that the mixer >> applet is gone and instead a volume control icon shows up automatically >> in the notification area. > > (dislaimer: I haven't actually tried this feature so maybe I'm speaking > out of my ass.) > > Maybe this is just a small thing or me being suffering from OCD or > something else or all of the above or a combination of the above. > However. Can we make turn the volume control back into an applet? I > really want it to be in the bottom right corner (Fitt's law, all that), > not mingling with other notification icons... Nope. Die applets die. Jon From debarshi.ray at gmail.com Fri Dec 26 11:44:20 2008 From: debarshi.ray at gmail.com (Debarshi Ray) Date: Fri, 26 Dec 2008 17:14:20 +0530 Subject: Adding glade3 and gnome-valgrind-session to comps-fn.xml.in Message-ID: <3170f42f0812260344l4ff158f1l7d62c5602cb3b603@mail.gmail.com> I am planning to make the following change to the gnome-software-development group in comps-f11.xml.in. ddd gazpacho gconfmm26-devel + glade3 glibmm24-devel gnome-common gnome-python2-gda-devel + gnome-valgrind-session gnome-vfsmm26-devel gob2 gquilt Any comments or objections? Happy hacking, Debarshi ---- [1] https://admin.fedoraproject.org/pkgdb/packages/name/glade3 [2] https://admin.fedoraproject.org/pkgdb/packages/name/gnome-valgrind-session From mclasen at redhat.com Fri Dec 26 18:48:09 2008 From: mclasen at redhat.com (Matthias Clasen) Date: Fri, 26 Dec 2008 13:48:09 -0500 Subject: Adding glade3 and gnome-valgrind-session to comps-fn.xml.in In-Reply-To: <3170f42f0812260344l4ff158f1l7d62c5602cb3b603@mail.gmail.com> References: <3170f42f0812260344l4ff158f1l7d62c5602cb3b603@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1230317289.3365.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Fri, 2008-12-26 at 17:14 +0530, Debarshi Ray wrote: > I am planning to make the following change to the > gnome-software-development group in comps-f11.xml.in. > > ddd > gazpacho > gconfmm26-devel > + glade3 > glibmm24-devel > gnome-common > gnome-python2-gda-devel > + gnome-valgrind-session > gnome-vfsmm26-devel > gob2 > gquilt > > Any comments or objections? Go for it. From debarshi.ray at gmail.com Sat Dec 27 05:13:09 2008 From: debarshi.ray at gmail.com (Debarshi Ray) Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2008 10:43:09 +0530 Subject: Adding glade3 and gnome-valgrind-session to comps-fn.xml.in In-Reply-To: <1230317289.3365.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <3170f42f0812260344l4ff158f1l7d62c5602cb3b603@mail.gmail.com> <1230317289.3365.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <3170f42f0812262113p5a7729au690eda367051a4d9@mail.gmail.com> Done. Cheers, Debarshi