From lov111 at hotmail.com Fri Apr 3 18:00:04 2009 From: lov111 at hotmail.com (J L) Date: Fri, 3 Apr 2009 18:00:04 +0000 Subject: getting kernel panics with f11 beta... Message-ID: Hi all, new to this list, and I'm hoping not to get shot down... I've installed the f11 beta (kde version) from cd on to a T40 laptop (old Pentium M at 1.5Ghz)... 512 Megs RAM I have had extreme delays (like 3+ hours to install), and even 30+ minutes to boot from CD on this system... not sure if it was a CD/DVD driver issue or what... In any case, the install worked after much patience, then I did update the system with yum... in both cases, before and after the update, I'm getting consistent kernel panics, which I have sent back for analysis. Also, I'm getting some weird graphics 'melt downs' over time, what happens is 'fuzzy' / 'dirty' graphics are progressively happening mostly on window borders/title areas, and it seems to get worse over time. If you would like a screenshot, I could provide one... but basically, imagine a non-linear type corruption which would turn an otherwise monochromatic background section of a title bar into a dual or tri-colored pattern... I have run low level diagnostics on this system, and a full memory test which shows no errors. _________________________________________________________________ Share photos with friends on Windows Live Messenger http://go.microsoft.com/?linkid=9650734 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From praveenrocking2008 at gmail.com Sat Apr 4 04:12:53 2009 From: praveenrocking2008 at gmail.com (praveen kumar...life is not easy...) Date: Sat, 4 Apr 2009 09:42:53 +0530 Subject: getting kernel panics with f11 beta... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <7c04d07d0904032112w4766585ey1b81ba5a5f5de345@mail.gmail.com> i think your grapics card ya graphis accealerator not support kde enviroment u try gnome enviroment may be its work.... -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wm161 at wm161.net Sat Apr 4 17:01:32 2009 From: wm161 at wm161.net (Trever Fischer) Date: Sat, 4 Apr 2009 13:01:32 -0400 Subject: getting kernel panics with f11 beta... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200904041301.45849.wm161@wm161.net> On Friday 03 April 2009 2:00:04 pm J L wrote: > Hi all, > > > > new to this list, and I'm hoping not to get shot down... > > > > I've installed the f11 beta (kde version) from cd on to a T40 laptop (old > Pentium M at 1.5Ghz)... 512 Megs RAM > > > > I have had extreme delays (like 3+ hours to install), and even 30+ minutes > to boot from CD on this system... not sure if it was a CD/DVD driver issue > or what... > > > > In any case, the install worked after much patience, > > > > then I did update the system with yum... > > > > in both cases, before and after the update, I'm getting consistent kernel > panics, which I have sent back for analysis. > > > > Also, I'm getting some weird graphics 'melt downs' over time, what happens > is 'fuzzy' / 'dirty' graphics are progressively happening mostly on window > borders/title areas, and it seems to get worse over time. > Try compiling the linux kernel from vanilla sources. I've had to do that on my X61 thinkpad to get the intel graphics driver to work right. If that works, then the problem is just that Fedora is shipping an older kernel :) -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 197 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part. URL: From lov111 at hotmail.com Sat Apr 4 22:47:00 2009 From: lov111 at hotmail.com (J L) Date: Sat, 4 Apr 2009 22:47:00 +0000 Subject: kernel panic solved - gfx still messed up ... pic included! In-Reply-To: <20090404160037.86CC58E032A@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20090404160037.86CC58E032A@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: I ran another yum update, and now kernel panic's are gone! :)) However, the gfx issue remains, here is a screenshot. http://imagebin.ca/view/YhB8GYlL.html remember, this is a T40 IBM laptop with ATI 7500 class graphics chip, are these STILL not working in linux?? I thought those older ATI issues were fixed... Help please _________________________________________________________________ Create a cool, new character for your Windows Live? Messenger. http://go.microsoft.com/?linkid=9656621 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lov111 at hotmail.com Sat Apr 4 22:57:45 2009 From: lov111 at hotmail.com (J L) Date: Sat, 4 Apr 2009 22:57:45 +0000 Subject: gfx still messed up ... 2nd pic included! - ati 7500 gfx still fubar? In-Reply-To: References: <20090404160037.86CC58E032A@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: Here is a 2nd pic, which shows it much more clearly... (the first one you can see corruption by the address bar text area on firefox... and other windows) http://imagebin.ca/view/FJQIQ94T.html Anyone got ideas? _________________________________________________________________ Create a cool, new character for your Windows Live? 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Matthias From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Mon Apr 13 05:57:58 2009 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2009 11:27:58 +0530 Subject: Replacing Tomboy with Gnote in Fedora GNOME group Message-ID: <49E2D466.7070709@fedoraproject.org> Hi, I just packaged and pushed in Gnote, a a port of Tomboy to C++ for rawhide (and Fedora 10), a couple of days back. Gnote is compatible with Tomboy and you can just cp .tomboy to .gnote and use the notes. The user interface is exactly the same. The default GNOME group includes Tomboy which pulls in a considerably large number of dependencies. A quick test on a system pulls in 34 MB worth of dependencies (including 4.6 MB for Tomboy alone), while a install of Gnote pulls in just 582kb (I have not counted gtkmm since it is already required by gnome-system-monitor). Tomboy is not installed on the live cd already due to lack of space. Perhaps we can squeeze in Gnote as a replacement for Tomboy in the Fedora GNOME group? As a side note, anyone interested in gnote, feel free to sign-up as co-maintainers. Rahul ---- # yum install tomboy ================================================================================================================================= Package Arch Version Repository Size ================================================================================================================================= Installing: tomboy x86_64 0.14.0-2.fc11 rawhide 4.6 M Installing for dependencies: gnome-desktop-sharp x86_64 2.24.0-3.fc10 rawhide 211 k gnome-sharp x86_64 2.24.0-3.fc11 rawhide 326 k gtk-sharp2 x86_64 2.12.7-4.fc11 rawhide 817 k mono-addins x86_64 0.4-5.20091702svn127062.1.fc11 rawhide 483 k mono-core x86_64 2.4-9.RC1.fc11 rawhide 11 M mono-data x86_64 2.4-9.RC1.fc11 rawhide 1.5 M mono-data-sqlite x86_64 2.4-9.RC1.fc11 rawhide 157 k mono-extras x86_64 2.4-9.RC1.fc11 rawhide 1.4 M mono-web x86_64 2.4-9.RC1.fc11 rawhide 3.1 M mono-winforms x86_64 2.4-9.RC1.fc11 rawhide 3.0 M monodoc x86_64 2.4-9.RC1.fc11 rawhide 7.3 M ndesk-dbus x86_64 0.6.1a-4.fc11 rawhide 52 k ndesk-dbus-glib x86_64 0.4.1-4.fc11 rawhide 11 k Transaction Summary ================================================================================================================================= Install 14 Package(s) Update 0 Package(s) Remove 0 Package(s) Total download size: 34 M ---- # yum install gnote ================================================================================================================================= Package Arch Version Repository Size ================================================================================================================================= Installing: gnote x86_64 0.1.1-4.fc11 rawhide 492 k Installing for dependencies: libxml++ x86_64 2.24.2-2.fc11 rawhide 90 k Transaction Summary ================================================================================================================================= Install 2 Package(s) Update 0 Package(s) Remove 0 Package(s) Total download size: 582 k From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Mon Apr 13 08:26:08 2009 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2009 11:26:08 +0300 Subject: Replacing Tomboy with Gnote in Fedora GNOME group In-Reply-To: <49E2D466.7070709@fedoraproject.org> References: <49E2D466.7070709@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <49E2F720.30107@nicubunu.ro> On 04/13/2009 08:57 AM, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > > I just packaged and pushed in Gnote, a a port of Tomboy to C++ for > rawhide (and Fedora 10), a couple of days back. Gnote is compatible with > Tomboy and you can just cp .tomboy to .gnote and use the notes. The user > interface is exactly the same. Thanks Rahul, I was eagerly awaiting to replace Tomboy with something and get rid of the last trace of Mono from my computer. However, I have a couple of minor observations: - it would be handy if Gnote would automatically import at the first use the existing notes from Tomboy (it seems a manual copy do the job); - Gnote installs an entry under Applications->Accessories while Tomboy can be found in the "Add to Panel" dialog, it would be handy for Gnote to be launched in the same way as Tomboy. -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com/ photography: http://photoblog.nicubunu.ro/ my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/ From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Mon Apr 13 09:29:18 2009 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2009 14:59:18 +0530 Subject: Replacing Tomboy with Gnote in Fedora GNOME group In-Reply-To: <49E2F720.30107@nicubunu.ro> References: <49E2D466.7070709@fedoraproject.org> <49E2F720.30107@nicubunu.ro> Message-ID: <49E305EE.1070207@fedoraproject.org> Nicu Buculei wrote: > On 04/13/2009 08:57 AM, Rahul Sundaram wrote: >> >> I just packaged and pushed in Gnote, a a port of Tomboy to C++ for >> rawhide (and Fedora 10), a couple of days back. Gnote is compatible with >> Tomboy and you can just cp .tomboy to .gnote and use the notes. The user >> interface is exactly the same. > > Thanks Rahul, I was eagerly awaiting to replace Tomboy with something > and get rid of the last trace of Mono from my computer. However, I have > a couple of minor observations: > - it would be handy if Gnote would automatically import at the first use > the existing notes from Tomboy (it seems a manual copy do the job); Not sure how to do this sanely for all users at the packaging level. Probably should be a upstream feature request to import on first run instead. I don't think upstream has a bug tracker yet so file it in the Red Hat one and I will talk to the developer about it. > - Gnote installs an entry under Applications->Accessories while Tomboy > can be found in the "Add to Panel" dialog, it would be handy for Gnote > to be launched in the same way as Tomboy. Gnote is not a applet. Rahul From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Mon Apr 13 09:38:00 2009 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2009 12:38:00 +0300 Subject: Replacing Tomboy with Gnote in Fedora GNOME group In-Reply-To: <49E305EE.1070207@fedoraproject.org> References: <49E2D466.7070709@fedoraproject.org> <49E2F720.30107@nicubunu.ro> <49E305EE.1070207@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <49E307F8.2000704@nicubunu.ro> On 04/13/2009 12:29 PM, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > Nicu Buculei wrote: >> - it would be handy if Gnote would automatically import at the first use >> the existing notes from Tomboy (it seems a manual copy do the job); > > Not sure how to do this sanely for all users at the packaging level. I think about something like the Pidgin transition, when the user data was imported from .gaim to .purple. I believe (but not 100% sure) when first introduced Tomboy also imported the data from the sticky notes applet. > Probably should be a upstream feature request to import on first run > instead. I don't think upstream has a bug tracker yet so file it in the > Red Hat one and I will talk to the developer about it. Yeah, it should be an upstream feature, IIRC it was one of the upstream requirements for Tomboy too. >> - Gnote installs an entry under Applications->Accessories while Tomboy >> can be found in the "Add to Panel" dialog, it would be handy for Gnote >> to be launched in the same way as Tomboy. > > Gnote is not a applet. And Tomboy is? From an user point of view the two are identical and I expect to launch them in the same way, -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com/ photography: http://photoblog.nicubunu.ro/ my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/ From bpepple at fedoraproject.org Mon Apr 13 11:41:37 2009 From: bpepple at fedoraproject.org (Brian Pepple) Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2009 07:41:37 -0400 Subject: Replacing Tomboy with Gnote in Fedora GNOME group In-Reply-To: <49E2D466.7070709@fedoraproject.org> References: <49E2D466.7070709@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <1239622897.2854.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Mon, 2009-04-13 at 11:27 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > > The default GNOME group includes Tomboy which pulls in a considerably > large number of dependencies. A quick test on a system pulls in 34 MB > worth of dependencies (including 4.6 MB for Tomboy alone), while a > install of Gnote pulls in just 582kb (I have not counted gtkmm since it > is already required by gnome-system-monitor). Tomboy is not installed on > the live cd already due to lack of space. Perhaps we can squeeze in > Gnote as a replacement for Tomboy in the Fedora GNOME group? I think it's probably a little late in the game to do this for F11, but I think we should look into doing that for F12. Later, /B -- Brian Pepple https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Bpepple gpg --keyserver pgp.mit.edu --recv-keys 810CC15E BD5E 6F9E 8688 E668 8F5B CBDE 326A E936 810C C15E -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Martin -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 197 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Mon Apr 13 14:50:54 2009 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2009 17:50:54 +0300 Subject: Replacing Tomboy with Gnote in Fedora GNOME group In-Reply-To: <1239631893.2745.203.camel@pc-notebook> References: <49E2D466.7070709@fedoraproject.org> <49E2F720.30107@nicubunu.ro> <49E305EE.1070207@fedoraproject.org> <49E307F8.2000704@nicubunu.ro> <1239631893.2745.203.camel@pc-notebook> Message-ID: <49E3514E.4050905@nicubunu.ro> On 04/13/2009 05:11 PM, Martin Sourada wrote: > On Mon, 2009-04-13 at 12:38 +0300, Nicu Buculei wrote: >> And Tomboy is? From an user point of view the two are identical and I >> expect to launch them in the same way, > I haven't ever used Tomboy (or any other notes app) and to my unaffected > eye it seems like the best places for it are applications menu and > desktop pop-up menu. It does not make any sense to me for it to be in a > panel... My point is: Tomboy is launched as an applet, Gnote is a replacement for Tomboy, so I expect it to be launched the same way (Tomboy is a replacement for Sticky Notes, and that *was* an applet). I won't dive into the debate about applet versus application, as this was probably beaten to death on the upstream mailing list (GNOME, about Tomboy), but the thing about note taking applications is that you don't launch them when you need to read/write a note, they are part of the desktop with an icon in the notification area. So you interact only with that icon. -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com/ photography: http://photoblog.nicubunu.ro/ my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/ From martin.sourada at gmail.com Mon Apr 13 15:17:37 2009 From: martin.sourada at gmail.com (Martin Sourada) Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2009 17:17:37 +0200 Subject: Replacing Tomboy with Gnote in Fedora GNOME group In-Reply-To: <49E3514E.4050905@nicubunu.ro> References: <49E2D466.7070709@fedoraproject.org> <49E2F720.30107@nicubunu.ro> <49E305EE.1070207@fedoraproject.org> <49E307F8.2000704@nicubunu.ro> <1239631893.2745.203.camel@pc-notebook> <49E3514E.4050905@nicubunu.ro> Message-ID: <1239635857.2745.240.camel@pc-notebook> On Mon, 2009-04-13 at 17:50 +0300, Nicu Buculei wrote: > My point is: Tomboy is launched as an applet, Gnote is a replacement for > Tomboy, so I expect it to be launched the same way (Tomboy is a > replacement for Sticky Notes, and that *was* an applet). > > I won't dive into the debate about applet versus application, as this > was probably beaten to death on the upstream mailing list (GNOME, about > Tomboy), but the thing about note taking applications is that you don't > launch them when you need to read/write a note, they are part of the > desktop with an icon in the notification area. So you interact only with > that icon. Well we're not exactly in disagreement since my point is that of a possible *new* user of this application and as such, I'd expect some kind of behaviour like, right-click on desktop and select 'Add note here'... But yep, having it in notification area is a good thing too. I don't really care if it's actually an applet or an application. So I think sometimes, even though the app is meant as an replacement for Tomboy, changes might actually be good, especially considering there is maybe going to be Gnome 3.0 in a year or so... As for the actual launching, that should be handled by session manager - i.e. started somewhere around log-in, as a daemon. IMHO the most important part is the interaction with user when the app is already running, not the act of launching it (unless you need to launch it every time you want to add new note, which would be IMHO a bad approach). Martin -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 197 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From mclasen at redhat.com Mon Apr 13 15:43:12 2009 From: mclasen at redhat.com (Matthias Clasen) Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2009 11:43:12 -0400 Subject: Replacing Tomboy with Gnote in Fedora GNOME group In-Reply-To: <49E2D466.7070709@fedoraproject.org> References: <49E2D466.7070709@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <1239637392.11484.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Mon, 2009-04-13 at 11:27 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > Hi, > > I just packaged and pushed in Gnote, a a port of Tomboy to C++ for > rawhide (and Fedora 10), a couple of days back. Gnote is compatible with > Tomboy and you can just cp .tomboy to .gnote and use the notes. The user > interface is exactly the same. > > The default GNOME group includes Tomboy which pulls in a considerably > large number of dependencies. A quick test on a system pulls in 34 MB > worth of dependencies (including 4.6 MB for Tomboy alone), while a > install of Gnote pulls in just 582kb (I have not counted gtkmm since it > is already required by gnome-system-monitor). Tomboy is not installed on > the live cd already due to lack of space. Perhaps we can squeeze in > Gnote as a replacement for Tomboy in the Fedora GNOME group? > Longer-term, this may be a possibility. Right now, it is a) late for F11 and (freezing in a day) b) early for gnote (just having seen its very first release) to replace a default component in the Fedora desktop. Some other notes: - We're using tomboy as an applet, which gnote currently does not support. I'm far from a notification area purist, but I do think that a note-taking application has no place in it... - If we are talking about replacing tomboy with gnote, we need to have some data migration that is more automatic that 'open terminal, cp .tomboy .gnote'. - While gnote on the surface looks like a clone of tomboy, if you look at the addins that come with tomboy, you'll probably find that gnote is not yet a full replacement for tomboy power users (it certainly works fine for my tomboy use...). So, I'd say, lets look at this for F12. If gnote stays alive for that long, it may be a suitable replacement at that point. Matthias From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Tue Apr 14 21:50:32 2009 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2009 03:20:32 +0530 Subject: Replacing Tomboy with Gnote in Fedora GNOME group In-Reply-To: <1239637392.11484.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <49E2D466.7070709@fedoraproject.org> <1239637392.11484.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <49E50528.50708@fedoraproject.org> Matthias Clasen wrote: > > Some other notes: > > - We're using tomboy as an applet, which gnote currently does not > support. I'm far from a notification area purist, but I do think that a > note-taking application has no place in it... > > - If we are talking about replacing tomboy with gnote, we need to have > some data migration that is more automatic that 'open terminal, > cp .tomboy .gnote'. > > - While gnote on the surface looks like a clone of tomboy, if you look > at the addins that come with tomboy, you'll probably find that gnote is > not yet a full replacement for tomboy power users (it certainly works > fine for my tomboy use...). > > > So, I'd say, lets look at this for F12. If gnote stays alive for that > long, it may be a suitable replacement at that point. As a followup, there is now a GNOME bugzilla component where you can file your enhancement requests. I have talked to the developer and filed the following RFE's primarily based on the discussions here Import notes from Tomboy on first run: http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=578981 Need to support add-ons http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=578980 Autostart on login (might need to be solved in the spec instead) http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=578979 Help doesn't work http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=578982 Rahul From mclasen at redhat.com Tue Apr 14 21:56:02 2009 From: mclasen at redhat.com (Matthias Clasen) Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2009 17:56:02 -0400 Subject: Replacing Tomboy with Gnote in Fedora GNOME group In-Reply-To: <49E50528.50708@fedoraproject.org> References: <49E2D466.7070709@fedoraproject.org> <1239637392.11484.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> <49E50528.50708@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <1239746162.3079.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Wed, 2009-04-15 at 03:20 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > > As a followup, there is now a GNOME bugzilla component where you can > file your enhancement requests. I have talked to the developer and filed > the following RFE's primarily based on the discussions here > > Need to support add-ons > > http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=578980 > FWIW, that is not what I had in mind. Imo, adding an addon/plugin/extension system is something that should only be done as a last-resort measure. I'd much rather see important functionality from successful tomboy add-ins supported directly... From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Tue Apr 14 22:03:16 2009 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2009 03:33:16 +0530 Subject: Replacing Tomboy with Gnote in Fedora GNOME group In-Reply-To: <1239746162.3079.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <49E2D466.7070709@fedoraproject.org> <1239637392.11484.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> <49E50528.50708@fedoraproject.org> <1239746162.3079.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <49E50824.9060307@fedoraproject.org> Matthias Clasen wrote: > On Wed, 2009-04-15 at 03:20 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > >> As a followup, there is now a GNOME bugzilla component where you can >> file your enhancement requests. I have talked to the developer and filed >> the following RFE's primarily based on the discussions here >> > > >> Need to support add-ons >> >> http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=578980 >> > > FWIW, that is not what I had in mind. Imo, adding an > addon/plugin/extension system is something that should only be done as a > last-resort measure. I'd much rather see important functionality from > successful tomboy add-ins supported directly... If you can add in comments, what functionality you consider important, that would be useful. I never personally used any of the add-ons nor do I have an idea, which ones are actually useful. Rahul From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Mon Apr 20 03:48:29 2009 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2009 09:18:29 +0530 Subject: Recording from front mic in Fedora 11 Message-ID: <49EBF08D.8030105@fedoraproject.org> Hi I would like to record sounds and use voice chat. In the previous version, I would change the input source from mic to front mic to do this. The new GNOME volume preferences in Fedora 11 doesn't expose all the ALSA controls. This is discussed in many places including: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=491372 https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=495148 I tried pavucontrol and it doesn't seem to allow me to set the input source either. I had to install xfce4-mixer to finally get this. What is the recommended solution here? Rahul From mclasen at redhat.com Mon Apr 20 04:33:30 2009 From: mclasen at redhat.com (Matthias Clasen) Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2009 00:33:30 -0400 Subject: Recording from front mic in Fedora 11 In-Reply-To: <49EBF08D.8030105@fedoraproject.org> References: <49EBF08D.8030105@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <1240202010.2479.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Mon, 2009-04-20 at 09:18 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > Hi > > I would like to record sounds and use voice chat. In the previous > version, I would change the input source from mic to front mic to do this. > > The new GNOME volume preferences in Fedora 11 doesn't expose all the > ALSA controls. This is discussed in many places including: > > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=491372 > > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=495148 > > I tried pavucontrol and it doesn't seem to allow me to set the input > source either. I had to install xfce4-mixer to finally get this. What is > the recommended solution here? Have you read the discussion in the bugs you are pointing to ? From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Mon Apr 20 04:43:00 2009 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2009 10:13:00 +0530 Subject: Recording from front mic in Fedora 11 In-Reply-To: <1240202010.2479.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <49EBF08D.8030105@fedoraproject.org> <1240202010.2479.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <49EBFD54.8040106@fedoraproject.org> On 04/20/2009 10:03 AM, Matthias Clasen wrote: > On Mon, 2009-04-20 at 09:18 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote: >> Hi >> >> I would like to record sounds and use voice chat. In the previous >> version, I would change the input source from mic to front mic to do this. >> >> The new GNOME volume preferences in Fedora 11 doesn't expose all the >> ALSA controls. This is discussed in many places including: >> >> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=491372 >> >> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=495148 >> >> I tried pavucontrol and it doesn't seem to allow me to set the input >> source either. I had to install xfce4-mixer to finally get this. What is >> the recommended solution here? > > Have you read the discussion in the bugs you are pointing to ? I glimpsed through it and I don't see a current solution to the problem. If I missed something, let me know. I need to update the release notes. Rahul From mclasen at redhat.com Mon Apr 20 05:14:24 2009 From: mclasen at redhat.com (Matthias Clasen) Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2009 01:14:24 -0400 Subject: Recording from front mic in Fedora 11 In-Reply-To: <49EBFD54.8040106@fedoraproject.org> References: <49EBF08D.8030105@fedoraproject.org> <1240202010.2479.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> <49EBFD54.8040106@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <1240204464.2479.19.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Mon, 2009-04-20 at 10:13 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > > Have you read the discussion in the bugs you are pointing to ? > > I glimpsed through it and I don't see a current solution to the problem. > If I missed something, let me know. I need to update the release notes. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=491372#c9 and https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=491372#c13 Give a good summary of the current state. In short: Alsa in its current state doesn't allow to implement a useful input selection UI. All you can currently do is expose Also controls 1-1 in the interface. alsamixer -c0 does that sufficiently well. From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Mon Apr 20 05:23:02 2009 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2009 10:53:02 +0530 Subject: Recording from front mic in Fedora 11 In-Reply-To: <1240204464.2479.19.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <49EBF08D.8030105@fedoraproject.org> <1240202010.2479.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> <49EBFD54.8040106@fedoraproject.org> <1240204464.2479.19.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <49EC06B6.4000705@fedoraproject.org> On 04/20/2009 10:44 AM, Matthias Clasen wrote: > On Mon, 2009-04-20 at 10:13 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > >>> Have you read the discussion in the bugs you are pointing to ? >> I glimpsed through it and I don't see a current solution to the problem. >> If I missed something, let me know. I need to update the release notes. > > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=491372#c9 > > and > > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=491372#c13 > > Give a good summary of the current state. > > In short: Alsa in its current state doesn't allow to implement a useful > input selection UI. All you can currently do is expose Also controls 1-1 > in the interface. alsamixer -c0 does that sufficiently well. I could suggest using alsamixer as a workaround for now except that I couldn't figure out how to switch between mic and front mic in alsamixer. Any pointers? Rahul From mclasen at redhat.com Mon Apr 20 05:24:46 2009 From: mclasen at redhat.com (Matthias Clasen) Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2009 01:24:46 -0400 Subject: Recording from front mic in Fedora 11 In-Reply-To: <49EC06B6.4000705@fedoraproject.org> References: <49EBF08D.8030105@fedoraproject.org> <1240202010.2479.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> <49EBFD54.8040106@fedoraproject.org> <1240204464.2479.19.camel@localhost.localdomain> <49EC06B6.4000705@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <1240205086.2479.20.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Mon, 2009-04-20 at 10:53 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > On 04/20/2009 10:44 AM, Matthias Clasen wrote: > > On Mon, 2009-04-20 at 10:13 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > > > >>> Have you read the discussion in the bugs you are pointing to ? > >> I glimpsed through it and I don't see a current solution to the problem. > >> If I missed something, let me know. I need to update the release notes. > > > > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=491372#c9 > > > > and > > > > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=491372#c13 > > > > Give a good summary of the current state. > > > > In short: Alsa in its current state doesn't allow to implement a useful > > input selection UI. All you can currently do is expose Also controls 1-1 > > in the interface. alsamixer -c0 does that sufficiently well. > > I could suggest using alsamixer as a workaround for now except that I > couldn't figure out how to switch between mic and front mic in > alsamixer. Any pointers? No. Using alsamixer -V capture might make things a little easier. From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Mon Apr 20 05:40:21 2009 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2009 11:10:21 +0530 Subject: Recording from front mic in Fedora 11 In-Reply-To: <1240205086.2479.20.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <49EBF08D.8030105@fedoraproject.org> <1240202010.2479.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> <49EBFD54.8040106@fedoraproject.org> <1240204464.2479.19.camel@localhost.localdomain> <49EC06B6.4000705@fedoraproject.org> <1240205086.2479.20.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <49EC0AC5.8050502@fedoraproject.org> On 04/20/2009 10:54 AM, Matthias Clasen wrote: > > No. Using alsamixer -V capture might make things a little easier. Tried that already. alsamixer -V capture gives me a single control to move up or down. It doesn't allow me to switch between mics and I have to use kmix or xfce4-mixer (both of which have a long list of dependencies, some of which are odd ) to actually do what I want. I tried alsamixer -V capture -c0 gives me more controls but front mic is disabled with no way to adjust that setting. Not sure whether there is any better solution and telling users to install other desktop environment's volume control doesn't seem right. Open to ideas. Rahul From mclasen at redhat.com Mon Apr 20 05:54:09 2009 From: mclasen at redhat.com (Matthias Clasen) Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2009 01:54:09 -0400 Subject: Recording from front mic in Fedora 11 In-Reply-To: <49EC0AC5.8050502@fedoraproject.org> References: <49EBF08D.8030105@fedoraproject.org> <1240202010.2479.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> <49EBFD54.8040106@fedoraproject.org> <1240204464.2479.19.camel@localhost.localdomain> <49EC06B6.4000705@fedoraproject.org> <1240205086.2479.20.camel@localhost.localdomain> <49EC0AC5.8050502@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <1240206849.2479.22.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Mon, 2009-04-20 at 11:10 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > On 04/20/2009 10:54 AM, Matthias Clasen wrote: > > > > > No. Using alsamixer -V capture might make things a little easier. > > Tried that already. alsamixer -V capture gives me a single control to > move up or down. It doesn't allow me to switch between mics and I have > to use kmix or xfce4-mixer (both of which have a long list of > dependencies, some of which are odd ) to actually do what I want. > > I tried alsamixer -V capture -c0 gives me more controls but front mic is > disabled with no way to adjust that setting. Not sure whether there is > any better solution and telling users to install other desktop > environment's volume control doesn't seem right. Open to ideas. man alsamixer lists available keyboard commands. 'm', space, up and down seem good candidates for randomly hitting. From debarshi.ray at gmail.com Tue Apr 21 12:07:29 2009 From: debarshi.ray at gmail.com (Debarshi Ray) Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2009 17:37:29 +0530 Subject: Using champlain sometime in the future? Message-ID: <3170f42f0904210507t4f1f8f83h65e5335b6c545356@mail.gmail.com> Champlain recently got a Summer of Code student to work on getting the map rendered locally [1] (using OpenStreetMap xml data) as opposed to downloading the pre-rendered tiles as is currently being done. If it works out well, would it be a good idea to use it in our clock applet and timezone selection widgets? Cheers, Debarshi [1] http://socghop.appspot.com/student_project/show/google/gsoc2009/gnome/t124022405195 -- One reason that life is complex is that it has a real part and an imaginary part. -- Andrew Koenig From mclasen at redhat.com Tue Apr 21 14:05:31 2009 From: mclasen at redhat.com (Matthias Clasen) Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2009 10:05:31 -0400 Subject: Using champlain sometime in the future? In-Reply-To: <3170f42f0904210507t4f1f8f83h65e5335b6c545356@mail.gmail.com> References: <3170f42f0904210507t4f1f8f83h65e5335b6c545356@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1240322731.2586.11.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Tue, 2009-04-21 at 17:37 +0530, Debarshi Ray wrote: > Champlain recently got a Summer of Code student to work on getting the > map rendered locally [1] (using OpenStreetMap xml data) as opposed to > downloading the pre-rendered tiles as is currently being done. If it > works out well, would it be a good idea to use it in our clock applet > and timezone selection widgets? Sure. I had put that idea here: http://live.gnome.org/SummerOfCode2009/Ideas but it didn't fly, for some reason. Feel free to work on this if you want to do something cool. From dwinship at redhat.com Tue Apr 21 14:10:49 2009 From: dwinship at redhat.com (Dan Winship) Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2009 10:10:49 -0400 Subject: Using champlain sometime in the future? In-Reply-To: <3170f42f0904210507t4f1f8f83h65e5335b6c545356@mail.gmail.com> References: <3170f42f0904210507t4f1f8f83h65e5335b6c545356@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <49EDD3E9.4000203@redhat.com> Debarshi Ray wrote: > Champlain recently got a Summer of Code student to work on getting the > map rendered locally [1] (using OpenStreetMap xml data) as opposed to > downloading the pre-rendered tiles as is currently being done. If it > works out well, would it be a good idea to use it in our clock applet > and timezone selection widgets? I imagine that even the raw shape data (for the whole world) is too huge for us to be able to package, so it would pretty much depend on being online, and so this would probably not be all that different for us than just using libchamplain with pre-rendered tiles now. (Meaning if you're excited about this, you can start hacking on it now without waiting for the new API. :-) There's also another SoC happening this summer to add GeoClue support to various things in GNOME, including autoselecting a location in the clock. (GeoClue is a framework for aggregating location information from various sources--GPS peripherals, IP-to-location mapping services, wifi SSID to location mapping services, etc--and providing a best guess of the user's location to other services on the machine.) Confusingly though, this SoC is officially sponsored by the Linux Foundation, not GNOME--a wireless driver hacker proposed a SoC for "have NetworkManager use GeoClue to find the current location and tell the wireless driver, so the driver can use the correct range of radio frequencies according to local law", but the proposal that was eventually accepted involves more GNOME-side hacking than kernel-side (and is therefore being unofficially co-mentored by GNOME (specifically, me)). -- Dan From debarshi.ray at gmail.com Tue Apr 21 14:24:46 2009 From: debarshi.ray at gmail.com (Debarshi Ray) Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2009 19:54:46 +0530 Subject: Using champlain sometime in the future? In-Reply-To: <1240322731.2586.11.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <3170f42f0904210507t4f1f8f83h65e5335b6c545356@mail.gmail.com> <1240322731.2586.11.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <3170f42f0904210724r2d127a31p10055483c18b05de@mail.gmail.com> > Sure. I had put that idea here: > > http://live.gnome.org/SummerOfCode2009/Ideas > > but it didn't fly, for some reason. Feel free to work on this if you > want to do something cool. Are you referring to: "gnome-shell: Location awareness for the clock applet"? Happy hacking, Debarshi -- One reason that life is complex is that it has a real part and an imaginary part. -- Andrew Koenig From a.mani.cms at gmail.com Tue Apr 21 16:00:11 2009 From: a.mani.cms at gmail.com (Mani A) Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2009 21:30:11 +0530 Subject: Recording from front mic in Fedora 11 In-Reply-To: <49EC0AC5.8050502@fedoraproject.org> References: <49EBF08D.8030105@fedoraproject.org> <1240202010.2479.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> <49EBFD54.8040106@fedoraproject.org> <1240204464.2479.19.camel@localhost.localdomain> <49EC06B6.4000705@fedoraproject.org> <1240205086.2479.20.camel@localhost.localdomain> <49EC0AC5.8050502@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <78323d480904210900n58edafj91370399f107733@mail.gmail.com> On Mon, Apr 20, 2009 at 11:10 AM, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > > I tried alsamixer -V capture -c0 gives me more controls but front mic is > disabled with no way to adjust that setting. Not sure whether there is > any better solution and telling users to install other desktop > environment's volume control doesn't seem right. Open to ideas. #amixer -c 1 sset front cap Best A. Mani -- A. Mani Member, Cal. Math. Soc From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Tue Apr 21 16:22:51 2009 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2009 21:52:51 +0530 Subject: Recording from front mic in Fedora 11 In-Reply-To: <78323d480904210900n58edafj91370399f107733@mail.gmail.com> References: <49EBF08D.8030105@fedoraproject.org> <1240202010.2479.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> <49EBFD54.8040106@fedoraproject.org> <1240204464.2479.19.camel@localhost.localdomain> <49EC06B6.4000705@fedoraproject.org> <1240205086.2479.20.camel@localhost.localdomain> <49EC0AC5.8050502@fedoraproject.org> <78323d480904210900n58edafj91370399f107733@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <49EDF2DB.6080603@fedoraproject.org> On 04/21/2009 09:30 PM, Mani A wrote: > #amixer -c 1 sset front cap That just returns the help back to me but it looks like I found the answer # amixer -c0 sset 'Input Source' 'Front Mic' Simple mixer control 'Input Source',0 Capabilities: cenum Items: 'Mic' 'Front Mic' Item0: 'Front Mic' Thanks for the hint. Rahul From jonstanley at gmail.com Fri Apr 24 01:52:52 2009 From: jonstanley at gmail.com (Jon Stanley) Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2009 21:52:52 -0400 Subject: Empathy feature Message-ID: This will be a topic at tomorrow's FESCo meeting, for whoever is interested. The feature owner is listed as this list,. and I didn't see my notification from Trac in the archives, so figured that I'd manually tell the list. From bpepple at fedoraproject.org Fri Apr 24 02:04:05 2009 From: bpepple at fedoraproject.org (Brian Pepple) Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2009 22:04:05 -0400 Subject: Empathy feature In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 9:52 PM, Jon Stanley wrote: > This will be a topic at tomorrow's FESCo meeting, for whoever is > interested. ?The feature owner is listed as this list,. and I didn't > see my notification from Trac in the archives, so figured that I'd > manually tell the list. I can probably field any questions about this since I'm one of the co-maintainers of Empathy. Later, /B From mclasen at redhat.com Fri Apr 24 13:35:43 2009 From: mclasen at redhat.com (Matthias Clasen) Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2009 09:35:43 -0400 Subject: Empathy feature In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1240580143.2302.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Thu, 2009-04-23 at 22:04 -0400, Brian Pepple wrote: > On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 9:52 PM, Jon Stanley wrote: > > This will be a topic at tomorrow's FESCo meeting, for whoever is > > interested. The feature owner is listed as this list,. and I didn't > > see my notification from Trac in the archives, so figured that I'd > > manually tell the list. > > I can probably field any questions about this since I'm one of the > co-maintainers of Empathy. What is there to discuss about it at this point ? From johannbg at hi.is Fri Apr 24 13:46:18 2009 From: johannbg at hi.is (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22J=F3hann_B=2E_Gu=F0mundsson=22?=) Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2009 13:46:18 +0000 Subject: Empathy feature In-Reply-To: <1240580143.2302.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1240580143.2302.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <49F1C2AA.6020108@hi.is> Matthias Clasen wrote: > On Thu, 2009-04-23 at 22:04 -0400, Brian Pepple wrote: > >> On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 9:52 PM, Jon Stanley wrote: >> >>> This will be a topic at tomorrow's FESCo meeting, for whoever is >>> interested. The feature owner is listed as this list,. and I didn't >>> see my notification from Trac in the archives, so figured that I'd >>> manually tell the list. >>> >> I can probably field any questions about this since I'm one of the >> co-maintainers of Empathy. >> > > What is there to discuss about it at this point ? > > Replacing pidgin with empathy as the default shipped im client I think.. JBG -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: johannbg.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 356 bytes Desc: not available URL: From mclasen at redhat.com Fri Apr 24 13:58:20 2009 From: mclasen at redhat.com (Matthias Clasen) Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2009 09:58:20 -0400 Subject: Empathy feature In-Reply-To: <49F1C2AA.6020108@hi.is> References: <1240580143.2302.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> <49F1C2AA.6020108@hi.is> Message-ID: <1240581500.2302.10.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Fri, 2009-04-24 at 13:46 +0000, "J?hann B. Gu?mundsson" wrote: > Matthias Clasen wrote: > > On Thu, 2009-04-23 at 22:04 -0400, Brian Pepple wrote: > > > >> On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 9:52 PM, Jon Stanley wrote: > >> > >>> This will be a topic at tomorrow's FESCo meeting, for whoever is > >>> interested. The feature owner is listed as this list,. and I didn't > >>> see my notification from Trac in the archives, so figured that I'd > >>> manually tell the list. > >>> > >> I can probably field any questions about this since I'm one of the > >> co-maintainers of Empathy. > >> > > > > What is there to discuss about it at this point ? > > > > > Replacing pidgin with empathy as the default shipped im client I think.. > I know what the feature page is about. I do not know what has changed about empathy and/or pidgin that warrants fesco discussion this page again at this point. It has been through fesco several times already... From jonstanley at gmail.com Fri Apr 24 14:28:09 2009 From: jonstanley at gmail.com (Jon Stanley) Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2009 10:28:09 -0400 Subject: Empathy feature In-Reply-To: <1240581500.2302.10.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1240580143.2302.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> <49F1C2AA.6020108@hi.is> <1240581500.2302.10.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: On Fri, Apr 24, 2009 at 9:58 AM, Matthias Clasen wrote: > I know what the feature page is about. I do not know what has changed > about empathy and/or pidgin that warrants fesco discussion this page > again at this point. It has been through fesco several times already... Since the feature didn't make F11, this is to reconsider the feature for F12. From chung at engr.orst.edu Sun Apr 26 23:27:46 2009 From: chung at engr.orst.edu (chung at engr.orst.edu) Date: Sun, 26 Apr 2009 16:27:46 -0700 Subject: Open source and diagramming survey Message-ID: <20090426162746.13864928do2cbzsw@webmail.oregonstate.edu> Dear open source contributors, I am Eunyoung Chung, a Masters student working with Dr. Jensen at Oregon State University. We are currently doing a research project in collaboration with Dr. Truong and Ph.D student Koji Yatani at University of Toronto. Our goal is to understand how contributors communicate and collaborate in Open Source Software (OSS) projects, including diagramming practices. We are seeking volunteers for a quick survey on this topic. Any person who is actively working on a OSS project is eligible. The survey takes approximately 10-15 minutes, and the 5 volunteers will be picked to receive a $30 Amazon gift certificate. Your participation is anonymous (unless you consent to have us contact you) Here is the survey address. https://secure.engr.oregonstate.edu/limesurvey/58564/lang-en We really appreciate your help! From poelstra at redhat.com Mon Apr 27 16:47:13 2009 From: poelstra at redhat.com (John Poelstra) Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2009 09:47:13 -0700 Subject: Open source and diagramming survey In-Reply-To: <20090426162746.13864928do2cbzsw@webmail.oregonstate.edu> References: <20090426162746.13864928do2cbzsw@webmail.oregonstate.edu> Message-ID: <49F5E191.5080602@redhat.com> chung at engr.orst.edu said the following on 04/26/2009 04:27 PM Pacific Time: > Dear open source contributors, > > I am Eunyoung Chung, a Masters student working with Dr. Jensen at > Oregon State University. > > We are currently doing a research project in collaboration with Dr. > Truong and Ph.D student Koji Yatani at University of Toronto. Our goal > is to understand how contributors communicate and collaborate in Open > Source Software (OSS) projects, including diagramming practices. > > We are seeking volunteers for a quick survey on this topic. Any person > who is actively working on a OSS project is eligible. The survey takes > approximately 10-15 minutes, and the 5 volunteers will be picked to > receive a $30 Amazon gift certificate. Your participation is anonymous > (unless you consent to have us contact you) > > Here is the survey address. > > https://secure.engr.oregonstate.edu/limesurvey/58564/lang-en > > We really appreciate your help! > May I suggest reworking the question "What are the major projects that you have been involved in other than users?" A bunch of individual OSS projects and ONE distro: Ubuntu are listed... and you're asking Fedora folks to participate? Listing more distros or least the ones you're seeking feedback from might help discourage people from thinking that you are biased while also encouraging them to finish the survey. John From chung at engr.orst.edu Mon Apr 27 20:01:43 2009 From: chung at engr.orst.edu (chung at engr.orst.edu) Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2009 13:01:43 -0700 Subject: Open source and diagramming survey In-Reply-To: <49F5E191.5080602@redhat.com> References: <20090426162746.13864928do2cbzsw@webmail.oregonstate.edu> <49F5E191.5080602@redhat.com> Message-ID: <20090427130143.12965ioch2l94b8c@webmail.oregonstate.edu> Thanks for pointing it out. We had several pilot study before real distribution of the survey. No one (even our open source lab students here) had suggested we have only one distro on our list. We will add more on the lists. Thanks again. Quoting John Poelstra : > chung at engr.orst.edu said the following on 04/26/2009 04:27 PM Pacific Time: >> Dear open source contributors, >> >> I am Eunyoung Chung, a Masters student working with Dr. Jensen at >> Oregon State University. >> >> We are currently doing a research project in collaboration with Dr. >> Truong and Ph.D student Koji Yatani at University of Toronto. Our goal >> is to understand how contributors communicate and collaborate in Open >> Source Software (OSS) projects, including diagramming practices. >> >> We are seeking volunteers for a quick survey on this topic. Any person >> who is actively working on a OSS project is eligible. The survey takes >> approximately 10-15 minutes, and the 5 volunteers will be picked to >> receive a $30 Amazon gift certificate. Your participation is anonymous >> (unless you consent to have us contact you) >> >> Here is the survey address. >> >> https://secure.engr.oregonstate.edu/limesurvey/58564/lang-en >> >> We really appreciate your help! >> > > May I suggest reworking the question "What are the major projects > that you have been involved in other than users?" > > A bunch of individual OSS projects and ONE distro: Ubuntu are > listed... and you're asking Fedora folks to participate? > > Listing more distros or least the ones you're seeking feedback from > might help discourage people from thinking that you are biased while > also encouraging them to finish the survey. > > John > From martin.sourada at gmail.com Tue Apr 28 10:04:16 2009 From: martin.sourada at gmail.com (Martin Sourada) Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2009 12:04:16 +0200 Subject: Epiphany 2.28 and webkitgtk Message-ID: <1240913056.2515.22.camel@pc-notebook.kolej.mff.cuni.cz> Hi all, the WebKit GTK port, webkitgtk, has gained some momentum during the Fedora 11 development and it looks like it might be ready for being default in Epiphany 2.28 [1]. And so I though it might be worth tracking this change and helping with testing for Fedora 12 (I have been already testing webkitgtk in midori and I can see it has improved *a lot* during the past few months and much more improvements will come in the next release as well). Because this falls under the Desktop SIG 'reign', I thought I'd contact you first, even before trying to sketch some feature page, to see what are your positions regarding this change. Do we have some specific use cases that we consider a must-have for epiphany being ship with WebKit back-end in Fedora in addition to those outlined at the upstream tracking page[1] (ability to authenticate to koji web interface [2] springs to mind)? Are there any general concerns about using WebKit over XULRunner in Epiphany in Fedora? On a similar note, perhaps worth a different thread in -devel list, webkitgtk supports (more or less functionally from my experience) browser plug-ins using the NP API (swfdec-mozilla, java-1.6.0-openjdk-plugin, totem-mozplugin, etc). These are usually put into -mozplugin or -mozilla subpackages. I am not sure how much of sense this makes when these are actually used both in mozilla based and webkit based (IIRC the QT port of WebKit supports them as well) applications and as such the mozilla suffix does not make much sense. Perhaps -(web)browser-plugin would be a better suffix? Thanks, Martin References: [1] http://live.gnome.org/Epiphany/WebKit228 [2] http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 197 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From caillon at redhat.com Tue Apr 28 11:31:28 2009 From: caillon at redhat.com (Christopher Aillon) Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2009 04:31:28 -0700 Subject: Epiphany 2.28 and webkitgtk In-Reply-To: <1240913056.2515.22.camel@pc-notebook.kolej.mff.cuni.cz> References: <1240913056.2515.22.camel@pc-notebook.kolej.mff.cuni.cz> Message-ID: <49F6E910.3070400@redhat.com> On 04/28/2009 03:04 AM, Martin Sourada wrote: > Hi all, > > the WebKit GTK port, webkitgtk, has gained some momentum during the > Fedora 11 development and it looks like it might be ready for being > default in Epiphany 2.28 [1]. And so I though it might be worth tracking > this change and helping with testing for Fedora 12 (I have been already > testing webkitgtk in midori and I can see it has improved *a lot* during > the past few months and much more improvements will come in the next > release as well). > > Because this falls under the Desktop SIG 'reign', I thought I'd contact > you first, even before trying to sketch some feature page, to see what > are your positions regarding this change. Do we have some specific use > cases that we consider a must-have for epiphany being ship with WebKit > back-end in Fedora in addition to those outlined at the upstream > tracking page[1] (ability to authenticate to koji web interface [2] > springs to mind)? Are there any general concerns about using WebKit over > XULRunner in Epiphany in Fedora? The only concern I have is whether it will finally make it as the default upstream. It's been going to happen for the past few releases. Maybe this one will finally be it. But then I was saying that 6 months ago, too. If it does, great, and we'll migrate to webkit (the XR backend will go away when it does, so it's not like there's a real choice anyway ;-) > On a similar note, perhaps worth a different thread in -devel list, > webkitgtk supports (more or less functionally from my experience) > browser plug-ins using the NP API (swfdec-mozilla, > java-1.6.0-openjdk-plugin, totem-mozplugin, etc). These are usually put > into -mozplugin or -mozilla subpackages. I am not sure how much of sense > this makes when these are actually used both in mozilla based and webkit > based (IIRC the QT port of WebKit supports them as well) applications > and as such the mozilla suffix does not make much sense. Perhaps > -(web)browser-plugin would be a better suffix? The plugin format is still the mozilla format. But I don't really care either way.