From mclasen at redhat.com Mon Jun 1 05:24:41 2009 From: mclasen at redhat.com (Matthias Clasen) Date: Mon, 01 Jun 2009 01:24:41 -0400 Subject: Epiphany in F12 Message-ID: <1243833881.20056.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> Just a heads-up: The epiphany team aims at switching to webkit in 2.28. I have just built epiphany 2.27.2 with webkit instead of gecko. If your epiphany browsing is better or worse or just different, that may explain it. Matthias From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Mon Jun 1 06:18:45 2009 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Mon, 01 Jun 2009 11:48:45 +0530 Subject: Epiphany in F12 In-Reply-To: <1243833881.20056.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1243833881.20056.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <4A2372C5.4020303@fedoraproject.org> On 06/01/2009 10:54 AM, Matthias Clasen wrote: > Just a heads-up: > > The epiphany team aims at switching to webkit in 2.28. > I have just built epiphany 2.27.2 with webkit instead of gecko. > > If your epiphany browsing is better or worse or just different, that may > explain it. For a head start, I have added this note to https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_12_Alpha_release_notes#GNOME_2.28 Rahul From mcepl at redhat.com Mon Jun 1 10:31:04 2009 From: mcepl at redhat.com (Matej Cepl) Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2009 10:31:04 +0000 (UTC) Subject: Epiphany in F12 References: <1243833881.20056.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: Matthias Clasen, Mon, 01 Jun 2009 01:24:41 -0400: > The epiphany team aims at switching to webkit in 2.28. I have just built > epiphany 2.27.2 with webkit instead of gecko. Build without problems on F11, unfortunately no epiphany-extensions yet it seems. Mat?j From mclasen at redhat.com Tue Jun 2 14:25:03 2009 From: mclasen at redhat.com (Matthias Clasen) Date: Tue, 02 Jun 2009 10:25:03 -0400 Subject: Gnote in F12 Message-ID: <1243952703.2765.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> I have now changed the default panel configuration in F12 to include gnote instead of tomboy, and changed comps to make gnote default and tomboy optional. This won't replace tomboy in existing installations, but new installations will get gnote instead of tomboy. This also means that gnote should show up on the live cd (where we excluded tomboy previously, due to no space for mono). Some things are still needed for a 100% smooth experience: - pick up existing tomboy notes (less urgent now, since we do not replace tomboy...) - don't show the 'start here' note initially Matthias From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Tue Jun 2 16:03:39 2009 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Tue, 02 Jun 2009 21:33:39 +0530 Subject: Gnote in F12 In-Reply-To: <1243952703.2765.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1243952703.2765.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <4A254D5B.7040603@fedoraproject.org> On 06/02/2009 07:55 PM, Matthias Clasen wrote: > I have now changed the default panel configuration in F12 to include > gnote instead of tomboy, and changed comps to make gnote default and > tomboy optional. > > This won't replace tomboy in existing installations, but new > installations will get gnote instead of tomboy. > > This also means that gnote should show up on the live cd (where we > excluded tomboy previously, due to no space for mono). Thanks. I have added some notes to https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_12_Alpha_release_notes#GNOME_2.28 I am curious. Would F-spot still installed by default for Fedora 12 DVD image? Rahul From debarshi.ray at gmail.com Wed Jun 3 02:16:48 2009 From: debarshi.ray at gmail.com (Debarshi Ray) Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 07:46:48 +0530 Subject: Gnote in F12 In-Reply-To: <4A254D5B.7040603@fedoraproject.org> References: <1243952703.2765.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> <4A254D5B.7040603@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <3170f42f0906021916q16331c1fh4a72e19e10dfe7a7@mail.gmail.com> > I am curious. Would F-spot still installed by default for Fedora 12 > DVD image? Would we be interested in something like this in future: http://santanu-sinha.blogspot.com/2009/06/solang.html Still a long way to go, though. Cheers, Debarshi -- One reason that life is complex is that it has a real part and an imaginary part. -- Andrew Koenig From foss.mailinglists at gmail.com Wed Jun 3 05:13:24 2009 From: foss.mailinglists at gmail.com (sankarshan) Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 10:43:24 +0530 Subject: Gnote in F12 In-Reply-To: <3170f42f0906021916q16331c1fh4a72e19e10dfe7a7@mail.gmail.com> References: <1243952703.2765.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> <4A254D5B.7040603@fedoraproject.org> <3170f42f0906021916q16331c1fh4a72e19e10dfe7a7@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <35586fc00906022213r78aba21l43a3be5e92478492@mail.gmail.com> On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 7:46 AM, Debarshi Ray wrote: >> I am curious. Would F-spot still installed by default for Fedora 12 >> DVD image? > > Would we be interested in something like this in future: > http://santanu-sinha.blogspot.com/2009/06/solang.html Still a long way > to go, though. Would be good to have a page listing out the current and upcoming (by release) features. -- http://www.gutenberg.net - Fine literature digitally re-published http://www.plos.org - Public Library of Science http://www.creativecommons.org - Flexible copyright for creative work From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Wed Jun 3 06:11:55 2009 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Wed, 03 Jun 2009 09:11:55 +0300 Subject: Gnote in F12 In-Reply-To: <35586fc00906022213r78aba21l43a3be5e92478492@mail.gmail.com> References: <1243952703.2765.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> <4A254D5B.7040603@fedoraproject.org> <3170f42f0906021916q16331c1fh4a72e19e10dfe7a7@mail.gmail.com> <35586fc00906022213r78aba21l43a3be5e92478492@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4A26142B.3020907@nicubunu.ro> On 06/03/2009 08:13 AM, sankarshan wrote: > On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 7:46 AM, Debarshi Ray wrote: >>> I am curious. Would F-spot still installed by default for Fedora 12 >>> DVD image? >> >> Would we be interested in something like this in future: >> http://santanu-sinha.blogspot.com/2009/06/solang.html Still a long way >> to go, though. > > Would be good to have a page listing out the current and upcoming (by > release) features. It would be good to have a rpm to see what's about and how it compares with the other applications (I am a heavily into photography and using mostly Nautilus, with gThumb from time to time). -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com/ photography: http://photoblog.nicubunu.ro/ my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/ From debarshi.ray at gmail.com Wed Jun 3 06:16:31 2009 From: debarshi.ray at gmail.com (Debarshi Ray) Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 11:46:31 +0530 Subject: Gnote in F12 In-Reply-To: <4A26142B.3020907@nicubunu.ro> References: <1243952703.2765.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> <4A254D5B.7040603@fedoraproject.org> <3170f42f0906021916q16331c1fh4a72e19e10dfe7a7@mail.gmail.com> <35586fc00906022213r78aba21l43a3be5e92478492@mail.gmail.com> <4A26142B.3020907@nicubunu.ro> Message-ID: <3170f42f0906022316r3ca058e6l39aa11f4ad1063ba@mail.gmail.com> > It would be good to have a rpm to see what's about and how it compares with > the other applications (I am a heavily into photography and using mostly > Nautilus, with gThumb from time to time). You would need Fedora 10. If you can manage that I will get you an rpm. The reason for this is that Exiv2 and libgda broke API from F10 to F11. I could not install the F11 preview on my Macbook, and my co-developer is stuck with Debian Sid and its oldish packages. We plan to upgrade the dependencies in the next release. Cheers, Debarshi -- One reason that life is complex is that it has a real part and an imaginary part. -- Andrew Koenig From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Wed Jun 3 06:23:55 2009 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Wed, 03 Jun 2009 09:23:55 +0300 Subject: Gnote in F12 In-Reply-To: <3170f42f0906022316r3ca058e6l39aa11f4ad1063ba@mail.gmail.com> References: <1243952703.2765.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> <4A254D5B.7040603@fedoraproject.org> <3170f42f0906021916q16331c1fh4a72e19e10dfe7a7@mail.gmail.com> <35586fc00906022213r78aba21l43a3be5e92478492@mail.gmail.com> <4A26142B.3020907@nicubunu.ro> <3170f42f0906022316r3ca058e6l39aa11f4ad1063ba@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4A2616FB.3050608@nicubunu.ro> On 06/03/2009 09:16 AM, Debarshi Ray wrote: >> It would be good to have a rpm to see what's about and how it compares with >> the other applications (I am a heavily into photography and using mostly >> Nautilus, with gThumb from time to time). > > You would need Fedora 10. If you can manage that I will get you an rpm. Sorry, I have F11 all around. Please ping when you have it working. > The reason for this is that Exiv2 and libgda broke API from F10 to > F11. I could not install the F11 preview on my Macbook, and my > co-developer is stuck with Debian Sid and its oldish packages. We plan > to upgrade the dependencies in the next release. -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com/ photography: http://photoblog.nicubunu.ro/ my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/ From vaeood at yahoo.com Wed Jun 3 06:53:21 2009 From: vaeood at yahoo.com (Hristo Petkov) Date: Tue, 2 Jun 2009 23:53:21 -0700 (PDT) Subject: General Use Message-ID: <316359.77741.qm@web111602.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Hi, Yesterday I read in the posts that some people are working on F10 Desktop to make it a FLOSS Desktop. In my view it is glossy enough, rather than that perhaps it needs CLASS and STYLE. Well, I am not engaging anyone with my opinion. First, suppose we use the plain background of the desktop ('dark green') with the icons as they are at present - this may be called Classic Engineering (style). Now, let us change the background to 'Space outlook'. In my view the background is pretty good and shiny, however it does not go well with the icons and we need the general appearance, not only the background. If it is completed with icons of 'that style' (for example the desktop icons to look like famous satellites - Nimbus III, Hotbird 6, Hubble Telescope, etc.) this may be called for example Adventure Style or Scientific Style. Let us change the background to a flower. The classic icons do not look good here as well. If this background is completed with icons looking like cups of coffee, flowers, chocolates, champagne, etc. this could become a Romantic style. 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URL: From mcepl at redhat.com Wed Jun 3 08:19:01 2009 From: mcepl at redhat.com (Matej Cepl) Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 08:19:01 +0000 (UTC) Subject: Gnote in F12 References: <1243952703.2765.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> <4A254D5B.7040603@fedoraproject.org> <3170f42f0906021916q16331c1fh4a72e19e10dfe7a7@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Debarshi Ray, Wed, 03 Jun 2009 07:46:48 +0530: > Would we be interested in something like this in future: > http://santanu-sinha.blogspot.com/2009/06/solang.html Still a long way > to go, though. Why not cooperate with others ... there are so many half-baked photo collection managers with lack of resources ??? E.g., I maintain a package of jbrout (no, it is not Java, but Python), which looks really similar to what you are doing and needs more maintainers (well, another maintainer). Is it just NIH or wish to make your very own scratch on the face of Universe not matter how insignificant it is? Mat?j From debarshi.ray at gmail.com Wed Jun 3 08:36:29 2009 From: debarshi.ray at gmail.com (Debarshi Ray) Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 14:06:29 +0530 Subject: Gnote in F12 In-Reply-To: References: <1243952703.2765.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> <4A254D5B.7040603@fedoraproject.org> <3170f42f0906021916q16331c1fh4a72e19e10dfe7a7@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <3170f42f0906030136t58fd243fsd834b229d1cfc24a@mail.gmail.com> > E.g., I maintain a package > of jbrout (no, it is not Java, but Python), which looks really similar to > what you are doing and needs more maintainers (well, another maintainer). How does it compare with programs like F-Spot and Eye of GNOME with respect to resource consumption? Cheerio, Debarshi -- One reason that life is complex is that it has a real part and an imaginary part. -- Andrew Koenig From mcepl at redhat.com Thu Jun 4 06:58:16 2009 From: mcepl at redhat.com (Matej Cepl) Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2009 06:58:16 +0000 (UTC) Subject: Gnote in F12 References: <1243952703.2765.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> <4A254D5B.7040603@fedoraproject.org> <3170f42f0906021916q16331c1fh4a72e19e10dfe7a7@mail.gmail.com> <3170f42f0906030136t58fd243fsd834b229d1cfc24a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Debarshi Ray, Wed, 03 Jun 2009 14:06:29 +0530: >> E.g., I maintain a package >> of jbrout (no, it is not Java, but Python), which looks really similar >> to what you are doing and needs more maintainers (well, another >> maintainer). > > How does it compare with programs like F-Spot and Eye of GNOME with > respect to resource consumption? Comparing to f-spot very favorably ... it doesn't drag whole VM machinery, and feels pretty fast (I don't have any *sharp* packages installed though, so it is some time last time I had personal experience with f-spot). Truth to be told its functionality is limited to f-spot (it can call Gimp on selected image, but doesn't do almost any image manipulation itself), but that's debatable whether image collection manager should duplicate functionality of Gimp. And of course, patches welcome :). Comparing to eog is unfair to eog ... viewing of images doesn't cover the main functionality of jbrout, which is management of the collection of images -- tagging (all tags stored in IPTC keywords, no database, just a cache), plugins, export to flickr/picassa/your own webpage/email/etc, fast search. Take a look at http://jbrout.free.fr/index.php Anyway, initial caching of all metadata takes some time, but otherwise it feels reacting instantenous ... I have a developer's machine though, so I may not be right person to judge on this. Try it for yourself! Mat?j From foss.mailinglists at gmail.com Thu Jun 4 07:05:37 2009 From: foss.mailinglists at gmail.com (sankarshan) Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2009 12:35:37 +0530 Subject: Gnote in F12 In-Reply-To: References: <1243952703.2765.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> <4A254D5B.7040603@fedoraproject.org> <3170f42f0906021916q16331c1fh4a72e19e10dfe7a7@mail.gmail.com> <3170f42f0906030136t58fd243fsd834b229d1cfc24a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <35586fc00906040005x455057bcge532126e30d2e842@mail.gmail.com> On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 12:28 PM, Matej Cepl wrote: > Comparing to f-spot very favorably ... it doesn't drag whole VM > machinery, and feels pretty fast (I don't have any *sharp* packages > installed though, so it is some time last time I had personal experience > with f-spot). Truth to be told its functionality is limited to f-spot (it > can call Gimp on selected image, but doesn't do almost any image > manipulation itself), but that's debatable whether image collection > manager should duplicate functionality of Gimp. And of course, patches > welcome :). A somewhat well formed usage of F-Spot is using it to upload pictures to various services like flickr, smugmug and Picassa even. So, while basic image manipulation (contrast, sharpness, brightness, hue, saturation) might be a requirement along with aspects like crop, the upload part is good to have as well. That was one of the reasons I am looking for a features (now and upcoming) list/page for solang. -- http://www.gutenberg.net - Fine literature digitally re-published http://www.plos.org - Public Library of Science http://www.creativecommons.org - Flexible copyright for creative work From debarshi.ray at gmail.com Thu Jun 4 07:11:15 2009 From: debarshi.ray at gmail.com (Debarshi Ray) Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2009 12:41:15 +0530 Subject: Gnote in F12 In-Reply-To: <35586fc00906040005x455057bcge532126e30d2e842@mail.gmail.com> References: <1243952703.2765.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> <4A254D5B.7040603@fedoraproject.org> <3170f42f0906021916q16331c1fh4a72e19e10dfe7a7@mail.gmail.com> <3170f42f0906030136t58fd243fsd834b229d1cfc24a@mail.gmail.com> <35586fc00906040005x455057bcge532126e30d2e842@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <3170f42f0906040011h566182d1x1baf2d2fd4e960eb@mail.gmail.com> > That was one of the reasons I am > looking for a features (now and upcoming) list/page for solang. http://git.savannah.gnu.org/cgit/solang.git/tree/TODO A proper web page will take some time. Savannah is limping back to life after the outage. Cheers, Debarshi -- One reason that life is complex is that it has a real part and an imaginary part. -- Andrew Koenig From ankit at redhat.com Thu Jun 4 07:11:45 2009 From: ankit at redhat.com (Ankitkumar Rameshchandra Patel) Date: Thu, 04 Jun 2009 12:41:45 +0530 Subject: List of packages installed by default. Message-ID: <4A2773B1.2@redhat.com> Do we have a wiki page or some document, where one can find the list of packages installed by default? -- Regards, Ankit Patel http://www.indianoss.org/ From walters at verbum.org Thu Jun 4 17:03:14 2009 From: walters at verbum.org (Colin Walters) Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2009 13:03:14 -0400 Subject: List of packages installed by default. In-Reply-To: <4A2773B1.2@redhat.com> References: <4A2773B1.2@redhat.com> Message-ID: On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 3:11 AM, Ankitkumar Rameshchandra Patel wrote: > Do we have a wiki page or some document, where one can find the list of > packages installed by default? Unfortunately, there are two separate kinds of installation right now. First, the Live Image install (what's linked from the web page), is defined here: https://fedorahosted.org/spin-kickstarts/browser/fedora-livecd-desktop.ks The DVD image install is derived from comps, specifically the "gnome-desktop" group ID, which is here: http://cvs.fedoraproject.org/viewvc/comps/comps-f10.xml.in?view=log From shrikant.navelkar at gmail.com Fri Jun 5 06:38:27 2009 From: shrikant.navelkar at gmail.com (Shrikant) Date: Fri, 05 Jun 2009 12:08:27 +0530 Subject: yum reconfiguration Message-ID: Hi, I am using FC9. I am not able to use yum to download extra packages such as xine. My yum configuration seems to have messed up. How can I reinstall / reconfigure yum ? Shrikant From mcepl at redhat.com Fri Jun 5 09:53:15 2009 From: mcepl at redhat.com (Matej Cepl) Date: Fri, 5 Jun 2009 09:53:15 +0000 (UTC) Subject: yum reconfiguration References: Message-ID: Shrikant, Fri, 05 Jun 2009 12:08:27 +0530: > My yum configuration seems to have messed up. How can I reinstall / > reconfigure yum ? It's just couple of simple text files in /etc/yum.repos.d/ ... don't be afraid to take a look at fix it. However, if you want to get original files from packages, these are mine: bradford:~# rpm -qf /etc/yum.repos.d/*|grep -v nevlastn?|sort -u fedora-release-11-1.noarch rpmfusion-free-release-11-1.noarch rpmfusion-nonfree-release-11-1.noarch bradford:~# Mat?j From bnocera at redhat.com Fri Jun 5 10:23:30 2009 From: bnocera at redhat.com (Bastien Nocera) Date: Fri, 05 Jun 2009 11:23:30 +0100 Subject: Interested in scanning? Message-ID: <1244197410.30768.2379.camel@cookie.hadess.net> Heya, Yesterday, I was browsing Ubuntu's "Blueprints" for their next release, and saw this: https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-karmic-gnomescan gnome-scan is already packaged by Deji, but I gather that more integration work could be done to make setting up and using scanners easier in GNOME and Fedora in general. Any takers? I think a good start would be making a list of problems seen in setting up scanners (additional packages required, tweaks), and make sure that gnome-scan and the necessary plugins are installed in a default installation. Cheers /Bastien, who doesn't own a scanner From bsund.fed at vilse.eu Fri Jun 5 11:46:56 2009 From: bsund.fed at vilse.eu (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Bj=F6rn?= Sund) Date: Fri, 05 Jun 2009 13:46:56 +0200 Subject: F11: What's the deal with Control-Center? Message-ID: <1244202416.16650.1.camel@woot> System->Preferences is a mess. Control-Center only shows via user-switch-applet. Is there any ideas around this? From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Fri Jun 5 12:30:58 2009 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Fri, 05 Jun 2009 18:00:58 +0530 Subject: F11: What's the deal with Control-Center? In-Reply-To: <1244202416.16650.1.camel@woot> References: <1244202416.16650.1.camel@woot> Message-ID: <4A291002.3050302@fedoraproject.org> On 06/05/2009 05:16 PM, Bj?rn Sund wrote: > System->Preferences is a mess. > If you prefer the previous hierarchical menus # yum install preferences-menus Rahul From stickster at gmail.com Fri Jun 5 13:09:07 2009 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Fri, 5 Jun 2009 09:09:07 -0400 Subject: Interested in scanning? In-Reply-To: <4A29160F.4000208@redhat.com> References: <1244197410.30768.2379.camel@cookie.hadess.net> <4A29160F.4000208@redhat.com> Message-ID: <20090605130907.GV14154@localhost.localdomain> On Fri, Jun 05, 2009 at 08:56:47AM -0400, Tom spot Callaway wrote: > On 06/05/2009 06:23 AM, Bastien Nocera wrote: > > Heya, > > > > Yesterday, I was browsing Ubuntu's "Blueprints" for their next release, > > and saw this: > > https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-karmic-gnomescan > > > > gnome-scan is already packaged by Deji, but I gather that more > > integration work could be done to make setting up and using scanners > > easier in GNOME and Fedora in general. > > > > Any takers? > > > > I think a good start would be making a list of problems seen in setting > > up scanners (additional packages required, tweaks), and make sure that > > gnome-scan and the necessary plugins are installed in a default > > installation. > > Perhaps we could target some specific scanners on the first attempt? We > might be able to get some hardware donated to the effort. > > ~spot, who has several scanners of varying age and quality in a box ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Same here. Paul From william.jon.mccann at gmail.com Fri Jun 5 13:25:36 2009 From: william.jon.mccann at gmail.com (William Jon McCann) Date: Fri, 5 Jun 2009 09:25:36 -0400 Subject: F11: What's the deal with Control-Center? In-Reply-To: <1244202416.16650.1.camel@woot> References: <1244202416.16650.1.camel@woot> Message-ID: <939dd5750906050625l1cfbee7dyd65dc02ed1be1c05@mail.gmail.com> Hi, On Fri, Jun 5, 2009 at 7:46 AM, Bj?rn Sund wrote: > System->Preferences is a mess. > > Control-Center only shows via user-switch-applet. > > Is there any ideas around this? Yeah we very badly need someone to write a new one. Perhaps based on mpt's thoughts (http://live.gnome.org/SystemSettings). It would also be great if Sun would release the designs and user testing research they've been working on since last year... Jon From mclasen at redhat.com Fri Jun 5 16:50:40 2009 From: mclasen at redhat.com (Matthias Clasen) Date: Fri, 05 Jun 2009 12:50:40 -0400 Subject: Interested in scanning? In-Reply-To: <1244219732.3036.24.camel@adam.local.net> References: <1244197410.30768.2379.camel@cookie.hadess.net> <1244219732.3036.24.camel@adam.local.net> Message-ID: <1244220641.2328.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Fri, 2009-06-05 at 09:35 -0700, Adam Williamson wrote: > So I think the gnome-scan interface is nice but if my results are > reproduced by others, we can't really replace xsane with it until it's a > bit less buggy. It would be nice if any coders with scanning interest > could contribute to the code I guess (I'm unfortunately not a coder). IMO the obnoxious license dialog that xsane still subjects you to is sufficient reason already to replace it. We don't tolerate dialogs like that in other default-installed components... Matthias From notting at redhat.com Fri Jun 5 16:56:05 2009 From: notting at redhat.com (Bill Nottingham) Date: Fri, 5 Jun 2009 12:56:05 -0400 Subject: Interested in scanning? In-Reply-To: <1244220641.2328.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1244197410.30768.2379.camel@cookie.hadess.net> <1244219732.3036.24.camel@adam.local.net> <1244220641.2328.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <20090605165605.GA7539@nostromo.devel.redhat.com> Matthias Clasen (mclasen at redhat.com) said: > > So I think the gnome-scan interface is nice but if my results are > > reproduced by others, we can't really replace xsane with it until it's a > > bit less buggy. It would be nice if any coders with scanning interest > > could contribute to the code I guess (I'm unfortunately not a coder). > > IMO the obnoxious license dialog that xsane still subjects you to is > sufficient reason already to replace it. We don't tolerate dialogs like > that in other default-installed components... Not to go all Ubuntu on everyone, but we have a patch command. We should use it. Bill From mclasen at redhat.com Fri Jun 5 17:18:30 2009 From: mclasen at redhat.com (Matthias Clasen) Date: Fri, 05 Jun 2009 13:18:30 -0400 Subject: Interested in scanning? In-Reply-To: <20090605165652.GQ18265@redhat.com> References: <1244197410.30768.2379.camel@cookie.hadess.net> <1244219732.3036.24.camel@adam.local.net> <1244220641.2328.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20090605165652.GQ18265@redhat.com> Message-ID: <1244222310.2328.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Fri, 2009-06-05 at 17:56 +0100, Daniel P. Berrange wrote: > On Fri, Jun 05, 2009 at 12:50:40PM -0400, Matthias Clasen wrote: > > On Fri, 2009-06-05 at 09:35 -0700, Adam Williamson wrote: > > > > > So I think the gnome-scan interface is nice but if my results are > > > reproduced by others, we can't really replace xsane with it until it's a > > > bit less buggy. It would be nice if any coders with scanning interest > > > could contribute to the code I guess (I'm unfortunately not a coder). > > > > IMO the obnoxious license dialog that xsane still subjects you to is > > sufficient reason already to replace it. We don't tolerate dialogs like > > that in other default-installed components... > > Why don't we patch it out then.... > Ok, lets try that: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=504344 From william.jon.mccann at gmail.com Sat Jun 6 02:19:46 2009 From: william.jon.mccann at gmail.com (William Jon McCann) Date: Fri, 5 Jun 2009 22:19:46 -0400 Subject: Interested in scanning? In-Reply-To: <1244197410.30768.2379.camel@cookie.hadess.net> References: <1244197410.30768.2379.camel@cookie.hadess.net> Message-ID: <939dd5750906051919p65ee0d2aq6d5db17c82773235@mail.gmail.com> Hey, On Fri, Jun 5, 2009 at 6:23 AM, Bastien Nocera wrote: > Heya, > > Yesterday, I was browsing Ubuntu's "Blueprints" for their next release, > and saw this: > https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-karmic-gnomescan > > gnome-scan is already packaged by Deji, but I gather that more > integration work could be done to make setting up and using scanners > easier in GNOME and Fedora in general. > > Any takers? > > I think a good start would be making a list of problems seen in setting > up scanners (additional packages required, tweaks), and make sure that > gnome-scan and the necessary plugins are installed in a default > installation. Would certainly be nice to have something reasonable happen when I connect a scanner and hit the hardware scan button. But what should that be? From a quick look at the (possibly out of date) gnome-scan web page it seems to me that it is trying to be an application. That approach may have similar problems to those of sound-juicer. Basically this is somewhat hard to solve if we don't have a rhythmbox for photos... unless we do something like the screenshot tool where we offer a few fixed options: 1. Save to Photos 2. Upload to Flickr 3. Upload to Picasa 4. Save as PDF Incidentally whatever we do we should do the same for cameras... Jon From drago01 at gmail.com Sat Jun 6 10:34:14 2009 From: drago01 at gmail.com (drago01) Date: Sat, 6 Jun 2009 12:34:14 +0200 Subject: Interested in scanning? In-Reply-To: <1244219732.3036.24.camel@adam.local.net> References: <1244197410.30768.2379.camel@cookie.hadess.net> <1244219732.3036.24.camel@adam.local.net> Message-ID: On Fri, Jun 5, 2009 at 6:35 PM, Adam Williamson wrote: > On Fri, 2009-06-05 at 11:23 +0100, Bastien Nocera wrote: >> Heya, >> >> Yesterday, I was browsing Ubuntu's "Blueprints" for their next release, >> and saw this: >> https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-karmic-gnomescan >> >> gnome-scan is already packaged by Deji, but I gather that more >> integration work could be done to make setting up and using scanners >> easier in GNOME and Fedora in general. >> >> Any takers? >> >> I think a good start would be making a list of problems seen in setting >> up scanners (additional packages required, tweaks), and make sure that >> gnome-scan and the necessary plugins are installed in a default >> installation. >> >> Cheers >> >> /Bastien, who doesn't own a scanner > > I have a scanner, but it's a rather well-behaved one (an HP ScanJet > 2100C). As long as SANE is installed you don't really need to do > anything to set it up - you can just run GIMP or xsane directly and get > to scanning. > > Looking at gnome-scan, I see the author is asking for help: > > http://blogs.gnome.org/gnome-scan/ > > testing it out, it seems a bit odd - it certainly has a nicer interface > than xsane's horribleness, but it seems a bit weird in places. It > defaulted to a rather odd scanned image size for me, and the preview tab > would only show that area of the page. I then switched to the 'Letter' > size on the main tab, previewed again, and the preview seemed to come > out right - but I couldn't then click and drag to resize the area to be > scanned. I had to go back to the main tab, switch back to 'Manual', then > go back to the preview tab before I could click and drag to resize - and > if I then tried to refresh the preview, it didn't preview correctly > again, it only previewed a tiny corner of the area and I couldn't click > and drag the selection to make it any bigger. > > So I think the gnome-scan interface is nice but if my results are > reproduced by others, we can't really replace xsane with it until it's a > bit less buggy. It would be nice if any coders with scanning interest > could contribute to the code I guess (I'm unfortunately not a coder). The thing that I did not like about gnome-scan is the interface. It resize the window without any reason so that the buttons do not fit on the screen (I have no idea why it does resize the window at all in this stage). I just went back to xsane but probably I should file a bug. From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Tue Jun 9 08:40:50 2009 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Tue, 09 Jun 2009 11:40:50 +0300 Subject: Interested in scanning? In-Reply-To: <939dd5750906051919p65ee0d2aq6d5db17c82773235@mail.gmail.com> References: <1244197410.30768.2379.camel@cookie.hadess.net> <939dd5750906051919p65ee0d2aq6d5db17c82773235@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4A2E2012.5010608@nicubunu.ro> On 06/06/2009 05:19 AM, William Jon McCann wrote: > But what should that be? From a quick look at the (possibly out of > date) gnome-scan web page it seems to me that it is trying to be an > application. That approach may have similar problems to those of > sound-juicer. Basically this is somewhat hard to solve if we don't > have a rhythmbox for photos... unless we do something like the > screenshot tool where we offer a few fixed options: > 1. Save to Photos > 2. Upload to Flickr > 3. Upload to Picasa > 4. Save as PDF The operations I do the most are: 1. send the image by mail (but I prefer to save first so I can send more than one file in each email); 2. edit the image with GIMP. I don't think is a good idea for us to promote by default the usage of proprietary services (flickr, picasaweb). Maybe by default we should offer uploading by sftp and to gallelry2 and flickr and picasaweb be installable plug-ins. > Incidentally whatever we do we should do the same for cameras... Cameras have a different usage pattern, usually you download from the camera a large amount of images and do something with them (selection, cropping) before publishing. -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com/ photography: http://photoblog.nicubunu.ro/ my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/ From mclasen at redhat.com Tue Jun 9 14:56:23 2009 From: mclasen at redhat.com (Matthias Clasen) Date: Tue, 09 Jun 2009 10:56:23 -0400 Subject: Empathy in F12 Message-ID: <1244559383.2310.27.camel@localhost.localdomain> Hi, in the past, we have delayed switching to empathy as the default IM client, because it seemed not ready [1]. Meanwhile, many of the UI glitches that caused the initial negative review have been fixed and empathy is growing interesting features like video chat [2] and geolocation [3]. Ubuntu is going to do the same switch this cycle which should lead to some synergy in getting remaining issues fixed. I think we should pick this up again for F12, and see how it goes. I wanted to say 'lets do the switch in time for alpha', but considering there may be no alpha, lets just do the switch when the next empathy release happens (which should be sometime next week). Matthias [1] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/Empathy [2] http://people.collabora.co.uk/~xclaesse/screenshot/empathy-call.png [3] http://blog.pierlux.com/2009/01/22/empathy-where-are-you/en/ From mclasen at redhat.com Wed Jun 10 05:35:18 2009 From: mclasen at redhat.com (Matthias Clasen) Date: Wed, 10 Jun 2009 01:35:18 -0400 Subject: PolicyKit changes in F12 In-Reply-To: <1242262846.9432.9.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1242262846.9432.9.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1244612118.2294.13.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Wed, 2009-05-13 at 21:00 -0400, Matthias Clasen wrote: > Just a heads-up: > > We hope to land a new PolicyKit version (which will turn into 1.0, > eventually) in F12 soon. PolicyKit 0.92 has now landed in rawhide; the package name has changed to polkit and polkit-gnome, to allow it to coexist with PolicyKit 0.9 until the transition is completed. David has put a lot of effort into improving the api docs which are included in polkit-devel, which should help in getting the remaining porting done. Matthias From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Wed Jun 17 12:39:15 2009 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Wed, 17 Jun 2009 18:09:15 +0530 Subject: Gnote 0.5.0 now with support for importing Tomboy notes Message-ID: <4A38E3F3.4060001@fedoraproject.org> Hi Gnote 0.5,0 released today and I have now built it for Rawhide, Fedora 11 and Fedora 10. It has support for importing Tomboy notes on first run for a new user. With this feature being added, I believe all the desired features discussed in this list before has been covered. If you got more, feel free to file them (preferably in the upstream bug tracker). Rahul From mclasen at redhat.com Thu Jun 18 19:57:40 2009 From: mclasen at redhat.com (Matthias Clasen) Date: Thu, 18 Jun 2009 15:57:40 -0400 Subject: Empathy in F12 Message-ID: <1245355060.13332.19.camel@localhost.localdomain> With empathy-2.27.3 in rawhide, I have now switched pidgin for empathy in the default install. I haven't added any explicit telepathy modules, so by default we'll just get what empathy pulls in: -gabble (XMPP), -salut (XMPP/zeroconf) and -haze (protocols supported by libpurple). I haven't added -sofiasip (and relegated ekiga to optional) yet, we can finetune this later. Matthias From bnocera at redhat.com Mon Jun 29 17:30:21 2009 From: bnocera at redhat.com (Bastien Nocera) Date: Mon, 29 Jun 2009 18:30:21 +0100 Subject: Interested in scanning? In-Reply-To: <4A2E2012.5010608@nicubunu.ro> References: <1244197410.30768.2379.camel@cookie.hadess.net> <939dd5750906051919p65ee0d2aq6d5db17c82773235@mail.gmail.com> <4A2E2012.5010608@nicubunu.ro> Message-ID: <1246296621.9903.7.camel@snoogens.fab.redhat.com> On Tue, 2009-06-09 at 11:40 +0300, Nicu Buculei wrote: > On 06/06/2009 05:19 AM, William Jon McCann wrote: > > But what should that be? From a quick look at the (possibly out of > > date) gnome-scan web page it seems to me that it is trying to be an > > application. That approach may have similar problems to those of > > sound-juicer. Basically this is somewhat hard to solve if we don't > > have a rhythmbox for photos... unless we do something like the > > screenshot tool where we offer a few fixed options: > > 1. Save to Photos > > 2. Upload to Flickr > > 3. Upload to Picasa > > 4. Save as PDF > > The operations I do the most are: > 1. send the image by mail (but I prefer to save first so I can send more > than one file in each email); Some nautilus-sendto integration would be in order then. I did this for Evolution, so you can right-click on attachments and have them sent via Bluetooth, or another person straight away, without having to save them first on the hard disk. > 2. edit the image with GIMP. That's a given. > I don't think is a good idea for us to promote by default the usage of > proprietary services (flickr, picasaweb). Maybe by default we should > offer uploading by sftp and to gallelry2 and flickr and picasaweb be > installable plug-ins. It's pretty much the same architecture. We should be using Conduit for this (Conduit ships with a Totem plugin that allows you to upload the currently playing video to Youtube, without going through a web browser, or another application). > > Incidentally whatever we do we should do the same for cameras... > > Cameras have a different usage pattern, usually you download from the > camera a large amount of images and do something with them (selection, > cropping) before publishing. Red-eye removal, people tagging, keyword tagging... Different usage pattern. From mclasen at redhat.com Mon Jun 29 19:27:27 2009 From: mclasen at redhat.com (Matthias Clasen) Date: Mon, 29 Jun 2009 15:27:27 -0400 Subject: Raising the bar Message-ID: <1246303647.1527.132.camel@localhost.localdomain> Hey all, we'd like to announce the 'Fit and Finish' initiative for Fedora, http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fit_and_Finish with the goal to improve the user experience of the Fedora desktop. We want to identify the small (and sometimes large) roadblocks that make everyday computer use harder than it needs to be, and try to fix them. 'Fit and Finish' is meant to be complementary to the work of the Fedora QA team. They do a great job of ensuring the quality of all the new features that land in Fedora each cycle. But when features are developed and tested on their own, the overall experience of the system as a whole can sometimes end up a bit uneven and rough. 'Fit and Finish' will focus on improving the way our users experience Fedora. To achieve this, we will hold regular test days, each of which will focus on use cases in a certain area. A few ideas for test day topics can be found on the 'Fit and Finish' page already. If you have ideas for other areas that could benefit from this kind of attention, please let us know. Our first test day will focus on display configuration, and will be held on Tuesday, July 7, from 12:00 to 21:00 UTC (8am -> 5pm EDT), in the fedora-fit-and-finish irc channel on FreeNode. Please come and join us there ! Matthias Clasen for the Desktop team From mclasen at redhat.com Mon Jun 29 20:28:56 2009 From: mclasen at redhat.com (Matthias Clasen) Date: Mon, 29 Jun 2009 13:28:56 -0700 Subject: Raising the bar In-Reply-To: References: <1246303647.1527.132.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1246307337.1527.135.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Mon, 2009-06-29 at 23:48 +0400, Peter Lemenkov wrote: > If you wish to improve *user* experience, then you should focus > entirely on actual Fedora releases rather than on Rawhide. However I > see that in testing days you still encourage only users with > up-to-date Rawhide installations. That's not an option for wide > audience, and, therefore this initiative will be doomed. Making it easy for a wide audience to participate without requiring a rawhide installation is certainly a goal. We will have live cds available for the test days, just like you know from other Fedora test days. As soon as live cd creation works again on rawhide... Thanks for raising this point, Matthias From ajax at redhat.com Mon Jun 29 20:35:27 2009 From: ajax at redhat.com (Adam Jackson) Date: Mon, 29 Jun 2009 16:35:27 -0400 Subject: Raising the bar In-Reply-To: References: <1246303647.1527.132.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1246307727.25343.8492.camel@atropine.boston.devel.redhat.com> On Mon, 2009-06-29 at 23:48 +0400, Peter Lemenkov wrote: > 2009/6/29 Matthias Clasen : > > Hey all, > > > > we'd like to announce the 'Fit and Finish' initiative for Fedora, > > > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fit_and_Finish > > > > with the goal to improve the user experience of the Fedora desktop. > > If you wish to improve *user* experience, then you should focus > entirely on actual Fedora releases rather than on Rawhide. However I > see that in testing days you still encourage only users with > up-to-date Rawhide installations. That's not an option for wide > audience, and, therefore this initiative will be doomed. > > -- > With best regards! I have difficulty reconciling your last sentence, and your .sig. In addition to rawhide live media, as Matthias mentioned, we'll be happy to take bug reports against current releases. They're of slightly less value, since they are effectively a list of things to check the next rawhide against, and may never get fixed in the stream they're reported against due to all the usual technical reasons (backport difficulty, etc), but that doesn't mean they're valueless. - ajax -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 197 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From johannbg at hi.is Mon Jun 29 20:40:38 2009 From: johannbg at hi.is (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22J=F3hann_B=2E_Gu=F0mundsson=22?=) Date: Mon, 29 Jun 2009 20:40:38 +0000 Subject: Raising the bar In-Reply-To: <1246303647.1527.132.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1246303647.1527.132.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <4A4926C6.7000901@hi.is> On 06/29/2009 07:27 PM, Matthias Clasen wrote: > Hey all, > > we'd like to announce the 'Fit and Finish' initiative for Fedora, > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fit_and_Finish > > with the goal to improve the user experience of the Fedora desktop. We > want to identify the small (and sometimes large) roadblocks that make > everyday computer use harder than it needs to be, and try to fix them. > > 'Fit and Finish' is meant to be complementary to the work of the Fedora > QA team. They do a great job of ensuring the quality of all the new > features that land in Fedora each cycle. But when features are developed > and tested on their own, the overall experience of the system as a whole > can sometimes end up a bit uneven and rough. 'Fit and Finish' will focus > on improving the way our users experience Fedora. > > To achieve this, we will hold regular test days, each of which will > focus on use cases in a certain area. A few ideas for test day topics > can be found on the 'Fit and Finish' page already. If you have ideas for > other areas that could benefit from this kind of attention, please let > us know. > > Our first test day will focus on display configuration, and will be held > on Tuesday, July 7, from 12:00 to 21:00 UTC (8am -> 5pm EDT), in the > fedora-fit-and-finish irc channel on FreeNode. Please come and join us > there ! > > > Matthias Clasen for the Desktop team > > Hey you Remember to CC to the test list atleast for the actual test day.. :) JBG From johannbg at hi.is Mon Jun 29 21:11:59 2009 From: johannbg at hi.is (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22J=F3hann_B=2E_Gu=F0mundsson=22?=) Date: Mon, 29 Jun 2009 21:11:59 +0000 Subject: Raising the bar In-Reply-To: <4A4926C6.7000901@hi.is> References: <1246303647.1527.132.camel@localhost.localdomain> <4A4926C6.7000901@hi.is> Message-ID: <4A492E1F.8070207@hi.is> On 06/29/2009 08:40 PM, "J?hann B. Gu?mundsson" wrote: > On 06/29/2009 07:27 PM, Matthias Clasen wrote: >> Hey all, >> >> we'd like to announce the 'Fit and Finish' initiative for Fedora, >> >> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fit_and_Finish >> > Is this a joint effort between all the *DE's if not please specify which DE is intended to use we have atleast 5 probably soon to be six ( moblin ) Make sure the test cases you write include direction on what needs to be included on the bug report for each component you want reports/feedback on to improve the quality of the bug report. If you need help with that dont hesitate asking for it on the test list or open a ticket in the fedora-qa track instance on fedorahosted X has already been covered and reporters can be redirected to https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Xorg/Debugging#All_bug_reports JBG From johannbg at hi.is Mon Jun 29 21:27:49 2009 From: johannbg at hi.is (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22J=F3hann_B=2E_Gu=F0mundsson=22?=) Date: Mon, 29 Jun 2009 21:27:49 +0000 Subject: Raising the bar In-Reply-To: <4A4926C6.7000901@hi.is> References: <1246303647.1527.132.camel@localhost.localdomain> <4A4926C6.7000901@hi.is> Message-ID: <4A4931D5.3060500@hi.is> On 06/29/2009 08:40 PM, "J?hann B. Gu?mundsson" wrote: > On 06/29/2009 07:27 PM, Matthias Clasen wrote: >> Hey all, >> >> we'd like to announce the 'Fit and Finish' initiative for Fedora, >> >> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fit_and_Finish >> >> with the goal to improve the user experience of the Fedora desktop. We >> want to identify the small (and sometimes large) roadblocks that make >> everyday computer use harder than it needs to be, and try to fix them. >> >> 'Fit and Finish' is meant to be complementary to the work of the Fedora >> QA team. They do a great job of ensuring the quality of all the new >> features that land in Fedora each cycle. But when features are developed >> and tested on their own, the overall experience of the system as a whole >> can sometimes end up a bit uneven and rough. 'Fit and Finish' will focus >> on improving the way our users experience Fedora. >> >> To achieve this, we will hold regular test days, each of which will >> focus on use cases in a certain area. A few ideas for test day topics >> can be found on the 'Fit and Finish' page already. If you have ideas for >> other areas that could benefit from this kind of attention, please let >> us know. >> >> Our first test day will focus on display configuration, and will be held >> on Tuesday, July 7, from 12:00 to 21:00 UTC (8am -> 5pm EDT), in the >> fedora-fit-and-finish irc channel on FreeNode. Please come and join us >> there ! >> >> >> Matthias Clasen for the Desktop team >> > Hey you > Remember to CC to the test list atleast for the actual test day.. :) > Ignore this Matthias certainly did announce this to the test list as well ( https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-test-list/2009-June/msg00741.html ) Apparently our mailing server is having one if his fits again.... My bad :) JBG From johannbg at hi.is Mon Jun 29 22:08:43 2009 From: johannbg at hi.is (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22J=F3hann_B=2E_Gu=F0mundsson=22?=) Date: Mon, 29 Jun 2009 22:08:43 +0000 Subject: Automatic Bug Reporting Tool ( ABRT ) Message-ID: <4A493B6B.3010306@hi.is> Does anyone have any info on which components support or are supported by abrt or how it's their wiki does not mention it nor how to it's done? The reason I ask is because I'm working in trying to improve reporting and their faced with same problem as we @ QA are which is we need to know what maintainers want on their report. ( which files to attache etc ) If ye want to see more about improved reporting here https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Johannbg/QA/Improve_reporting#Lack_of_needed_information_for_maintainer.28s.29_to_be_able_to_successfully_work_with_the_report. I took a look at their Gui and suggested some improvements https://fedorahosted.org/abrt/attachment/ticket/53/Automatic%20Bug%20Reporting%20Tool%20Mockup1.png https://fedorahosted.org/abrt/attachment/ticket/53/ABRT_simple_bug_filing_form.png There is no rocket science behind my suggestion the upcoming Bugzilla release is introducing a simpler reporting form see http://lpsolit.wordpress.com/2009/05/24/simpler-form-to-file-bugs-in-bugzilla-3-4/ if we make abrt look as similar to the bugzilla as we can we reduce the learning curve for reporters. Reporters that start using abrt will have no problem using our bugzilla ( if needed ) nor will reporters that are used to use the bugzilla have no problem using abrt. Feed back appreciated. JBG From jonstanley at gmail.com Mon Jun 29 22:55:58 2009 From: jonstanley at gmail.com (Jon Stanley) Date: Mon, 29 Jun 2009 18:55:58 -0400 Subject: Automatic Bug Reporting Tool ( ABRT ) In-Reply-To: <4A493B6B.3010306@hi.is> References: <4A493B6B.3010306@hi.is> Message-ID: 2009/6/29 "J?hann B. Gu?mundsson" : > Does anyone have any info on which components support or are supported by > abrt or how it's ?their wiki does not mention it nor how to it's done? I think that this was a Will Woods project from F11. I'm not sure how it works, but I know that the basic concept was to make something like apport in Ubuntu - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Apport From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Tue Jun 30 07:46:59 2009 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2009 10:46:59 +0300 Subject: Interested in scanning? In-Reply-To: <1246296621.9903.7.camel@snoogens.fab.redhat.com> References: <1244197410.30768.2379.camel@cookie.hadess.net> <939dd5750906051919p65ee0d2aq6d5db17c82773235@mail.gmail.com> <4A2E2012.5010608@nicubunu.ro> <1246296621.9903.7.camel@snoogens.fab.redhat.com> Message-ID: <4A49C2F3.4000305@nicubunu.ro> On 06/29/2009 08:30 PM, Bastien Nocera wrote: > On Tue, 2009-06-09 at 11:40 +0300, Nicu Buculei wrote: >> On 06/06/2009 05:19 AM, William Jon McCann wrote: > >>> Incidentally whatever we do we should do the same for cameras... >> >> Cameras have a different usage pattern, usually you download from the >> camera a large amount of images and do something with them (selection, >> cropping) before publishing. > > Red-eye removal, people tagging, keyword tagging... Different usage > pattern. In my experience, most of the time you scan documents, not photos. These days with the photography going digital, scanning photos is really a corner case. -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com/ photography: http://photoblog.nicubunu.ro/ my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/ From poelstra at redhat.com Tue Jun 30 16:34:24 2009 From: poelstra at redhat.com (John Poelstra) Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2009 09:34:24 -0700 Subject: Raising the bar In-Reply-To: <4A492E1F.8070207@hi.is> References: <1246303647.1527.132.camel@localhost.localdomain> <4A4926C6.7000901@hi.is> <4A492E1F.8070207@hi.is> Message-ID: <4A4A3E90.5060606@redhat.com> J?hann B. Gu?mundsson said the following on 06/29/2009 02:11 PM Pacific Time: > On 06/29/2009 08:40 PM, "J?hann B. Gu?mundsson" wrote: >> On 06/29/2009 07:27 PM, Matthias Clasen wrote: >>> Hey all, >>> >>> we'd like to announce the 'Fit and Finish' initiative for Fedora, >>> >>> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fit_and_Finish >>> >> > Is this a joint effort between all the *DE's if not please specify which > DE is intended to use > we have atleast 5 probably soon to be six ( moblin ) What is a "DE?" John From skvidal at fedoraproject.org Tue Jun 30 16:34:16 2009 From: skvidal at fedoraproject.org (Seth Vidal) Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2009 12:34:16 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Raising the bar In-Reply-To: <4A4A3E90.5060606@redhat.com> References: <1246303647.1527.132.camel@localhost.localdomain> <4A4926C6.7000901@hi.is> <4A492E1F.8070207@hi.is> <4A4A3E90.5060606@redhat.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 30 Jun 2009, John Poelstra wrote: > J?hann B. Gu?mundsson said the following on 06/29/2009 02:11 PM Pacific Time: >> On 06/29/2009 08:40 PM, "J?hann B. Gu?mundsson" wrote: >>> On 06/29/2009 07:27 PM, Matthias Clasen wrote: >>>> Hey all, >>>> >>>> we'd like to announce the 'Fit and Finish' initiative for Fedora, >>>> >>>> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fit_and_Finish >>>> >>> >> Is this a joint effort between all the *DE's if not please specify which DE >> is intended to use >> we have atleast 5 probably soon to be six ( moblin ) > > What is a "DE?" > Desktop Environment -sv