From mclasen at redhat.com Tue Mar 3 18:21:29 2009 From: mclasen at redhat.com (Matthias Clasen) Date: Tue, 03 Mar 2009 13:21:29 -0500 Subject: Another thing to test Message-ID: <1236104489.12291.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> I have just built gnome-session 2.25.92, which is supposed to bring session saving back. I haven't tested this at all myself, so I don't know what shape it is in. Might be a fun thing to test...I know some people really missed session saving. Matthias From caillon at redhat.com Tue Mar 3 20:07:30 2009 From: caillon at redhat.com (Christopher Aillon) Date: Tue, 03 Mar 2009 12:07:30 -0800 Subject: Thunderbird 3 In-Reply-To: <4997636D.4010109@redhat.com> References: <4991226F.8030304@fedoraproject.org> <4997636D.4010109@redhat.com> Message-ID: <49AD8E02.6010808@redhat.com> On 02/14/2009 04:35 PM, Christopher Aillon wrote: > On 02/10/2009 01:45 AM, Rahul Sundaram wrote: >> Hi >> >> Are there plans to include Thunderbird 3 in Fedora 11? > > That depends on how willing we are to slip for it. I'm doubtful it will > be released in time for our release, however there's always a chance. > Which makes it a tough decision, and one I've been pondering since > December. Personally, I'd love to see it in, but regardless of what > happens in the final, if nothing else, it will make it as an update (to > all other releases too). I'll be continuing to monitor it and make a > decision in time for feature freeze. To follow up, Thunderbird 3.0 beta 2 has been built into rawhide. From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Tue Mar 3 23:54:54 2009 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Wed, 04 Mar 2009 05:24:54 +0530 Subject: Thunderbird 3 In-Reply-To: <49AD8E02.6010808@redhat.com> References: <4991226F.8030304@fedoraproject.org> <4997636D.4010109@redhat.com> <49AD8E02.6010808@redhat.com> Message-ID: <49ADC34E.3030104@fedoraproject.org> Christopher Aillon wrote: > On 02/14/2009 04:35 PM, Christopher Aillon wrote: >> On 02/10/2009 01:45 AM, Rahul Sundaram wrote: >>> Hi >>> >>> Are there plans to include Thunderbird 3 in Fedora 11? >> >> That depends on how willing we are to slip for it. I'm doubtful it >> will be released in time for our release, however there's always a >> chance. Which makes it a tough decision, and one I've been pondering >> since December. Personally, I'd love to see it in, but regardless of >> what happens in the final, if nothing else, it will make it as an >> update (to all other releases too). I'll be continuing to monitor it >> and make a decision in time for feature freeze. > > To follow up, Thunderbird 3.0 beta 2 has been built into rawhide. Yes, ran into the feature page a bit earlier. Thanks. Rahul From bnocera at redhat.com Thu Mar 5 00:26:00 2009 From: bnocera at redhat.com (Bastien Nocera) Date: Thu, 05 Mar 2009 00:26:00 +0000 Subject: New Bluetooth manager Message-ID: <1236212760.3602.781.camel@cookie.hadess.net> Heya, gnome-bluetooth is replacing bluez-gnome in rawhide. See http://live.gnome.org/GnomeBluetooth for details about why. Unless you find packaging bugs, UI problems and bugs should be filed upstream: http://bugzilla.gnome.org/browse.cgi?product=gnome-bluetooth Keeps things easier for me. I'll be updating the Bluetooth feature page for F11 soon. Cheers From mclasen at redhat.com Fri Mar 6 17:56:09 2009 From: mclasen at redhat.com (Matthias Clasen) Date: Fri, 06 Mar 2009 12:56:09 -0500 Subject: Switching to brasero Message-ID: <1236362169.9250.13.camel@localhost.localdomain> Gnome 2.26 is making brasero the default cd burning application in favour of nautilus-cd-burner. I think we should switch to using Brasero in the desktop spin as well. Bastien has done a lot of the work to make this change not regression. Basically, unless you explicitly start brasero, the cd burning user experience should be pretty much unchanged. Comments ? Matthias From gnomeuser at gmail.com Fri Mar 6 19:16:57 2009 From: gnomeuser at gmail.com (David Nielsen) Date: Fri, 6 Mar 2009 20:16:57 +0100 Subject: Switching to brasero In-Reply-To: <1236362169.9250.13.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1236362169.9250.13.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1dedbbfc0903061116k5fa2b702neb15d761645e2783@mail.gmail.com> 2009/3/6 Matthias Clasen > Gnome 2.26 is making brasero the default cd burning application in > favour of nautilus-cd-burner. I think we should switch to using Brasero > in the desktop spin as well. > > Bastien has done a lot of the work to make this change not regression. > Basically, unless you explicitly start brasero, the cd burning user > experience should be pretty much unchanged. > > Comments ? > I have recently been using this to burn a lot of ISO images to rewritables and I must say the integration has improved massively. The verfication of burned discs is a lifesaver. Aside the fact that translations at least for danish are very incomplete compared to n-c-b I would say yes. - David -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From toshlinux at gmail.com Fri Mar 6 21:40:14 2009 From: toshlinux at gmail.com (Tosh) Date: Fri, 06 Mar 2009 22:40:14 +0100 Subject: Switching to brasero In-Reply-To: <1dedbbfc0903061116k5fa2b702neb15d761645e2783@mail.gmail.com> References: <1236362169.9250.13.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1dedbbfc0903061116k5fa2b702neb15d761645e2783@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <49B1983E.5050401@gmail.com> David Nielsen wrote: > > > 2009/3/6 Matthias Clasen > > > Gnome 2.26 is making brasero the default cd burning application in > favour of nautilus-cd-burner. I think we should switch to using Brasero > in the desktop spin as well. > > Bastien has done a lot of the work to make this change not regression. > Basically, unless you explicitly start brasero, the cd burning user > experience should be pretty much unchanged. > > Comments ? > > > I have recently been using this to burn a lot of ISO images to > rewritables and I must say the integration has improved massively. The > verfication of burned discs is a lifesaver. Aside the fact that > translations at least for danish are very incomplete compared to n-c-b I > would say yes. > > - David > very welcome !!! nautilus-cd-burner crashes a lot and makes nautilus unnecessary unstable brasero is a good gnome alternative to k3b -- Toshaan - http://www.toshaan.be From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Sun Mar 8 07:55:38 2009 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Sun, 08 Mar 2009 13:25:38 +0530 Subject: xguest by default? In-Reply-To: <49A56DFD.608@redhat.com> References: <49A48910.9060004@fedoraproject.org> <20090225155059.GC15986@nostromo.devel.redhat.com> <49A56A7D.70503@fedoraproject.org> <49A56DFD.608@redhat.com> Message-ID: <49B379FA.7000908@fedoraproject.org> Daniel J Walsh wrote: > xguest does not affect other users. > > Only the xguest user will mount tmpfs on his version of /tmp. > > Of course other users will not be able to see files created by the > xguest user in /tmp (Or /home/xguest or /var/tmp) > > I don't see any reason xguest should not be installed by default. Excellent. Can I get the opinions of folks in the desktop team? I would like to see xguest by default in the Fedora 11 Beta Live cd. Rahul From bnocera at redhat.com Mon Mar 9 00:51:46 2009 From: bnocera at redhat.com (Bastien Nocera) Date: Mon, 09 Mar 2009 00:51:46 +0000 Subject: Switching to brasero In-Reply-To: <49B1983E.5050401@gmail.com> References: <1236362169.9250.13.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1dedbbfc0903061116k5fa2b702neb15d761645e2783@mail.gmail.com> <49B1983E.5050401@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1236559906.16880.750.camel@cookie.hadess.net> On Fri, 2009-03-06 at 22:40 +0100, Tosh wrote: > David Nielsen wrote: > > > > > > 2009/3/6 Matthias Clasen > > > > > Gnome 2.26 is making brasero the default cd burning application in > > favour of nautilus-cd-burner. I think we should switch to using Brasero > > in the desktop spin as well. > > > > Bastien has done a lot of the work to make this change not regression. > > Basically, unless you explicitly start brasero, the cd burning user > > experience should be pretty much unchanged. > > > > Comments ? > > > > > > I have recently been using this to burn a lot of ISO images to > > rewritables and I must say the integration has improved massively. The > > verfication of burned discs is a lifesaver. Aside the fact that > > translations at least for danish are very incomplete compared to n-c-b I > > would say yes. > > > > - David > > > very welcome !!! > nautilus-cd-burner crashes a lot and makes nautilus unnecessary unstable Given that it doesn't run in the same process, I'd call that a lie... From bnocera at redhat.com Mon Mar 9 00:52:28 2009 From: bnocera at redhat.com (Bastien Nocera) Date: Mon, 09 Mar 2009 00:52:28 +0000 Subject: Switching to brasero In-Reply-To: <1236362169.9250.13.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1236362169.9250.13.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1236559948.16880.753.camel@cookie.hadess.net> On Fri, 2009-03-06 at 12:56 -0500, Matthias Clasen wrote: > Gnome 2.26 is making brasero the default cd burning application in > favour of nautilus-cd-burner. I think we should switch to using Brasero > in the desktop spin as well. > > Bastien has done a lot of the work to make this change not regression. > Basically, unless you explicitly start brasero, the cd burning user > experience should be pretty much unchanged. I still have to switch our version of rhythmbox to it. Cheers From toshlinux at gmail.com Mon Mar 9 09:28:23 2009 From: toshlinux at gmail.com (Tosh) Date: Mon, 09 Mar 2009 10:28:23 +0100 Subject: Switching to brasero In-Reply-To: <1236559906.16880.750.camel@cookie.hadess.net> References: <1236362169.9250.13.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1dedbbfc0903061116k5fa2b702neb15d761645e2783@mail.gmail.com> <49B1983E.5050401@gmail.com> <1236559906.16880.750.camel@cookie.hadess.net> Message-ID: <49B4E137.5070802@gmail.com> Bastien Nocera wrote: > On Fri, 2009-03-06 at 22:40 +0100, Tosh wrote: >> David Nielsen wrote: >>> >>> 2009/3/6 Matthias Clasen> >>> >>> Gnome 2.26 is making brasero the default cd burning application in >>> favour of nautilus-cd-burner. I think we should switch to using Brasero >>> in the desktop spin as well. >>> >>> Bastien has done a lot of the work to make this change not regression. >>> Basically, unless you explicitly start brasero, the cd burning user >>> experience should be pretty much unchanged. >>> >>> Comments ? >>> >>> >>> I have recently been using this to burn a lot of ISO images to >>> rewritables and I must say the integration has improved massively. The >>> verfication of burned discs is a lifesaver. Aside the fact that >>> translations at least for danish are very incomplete compared to n-c-b I >>> would say yes. >>> >>> - David >>> >> very welcome !!! >> nautilus-cd-burner crashes a lot and makes nautilus unnecessary unstable > > Given that it doesn't run in the same process, I'd call that a lie... > > ok, nautilus crashes and blames nautilus-cd-burner in its report states the reason for crashing is nautilus-cd-burner, so I uninstalled it and everything works fine, have had k3b running since with no problem -- Toshaan - http://www.toshaan.be From martin.sourada at gmail.com Mon Mar 9 14:33:10 2009 From: martin.sourada at gmail.com (Martin Sourada) Date: Mon, 09 Mar 2009 15:33:10 +0100 Subject: Switching to brasero In-Reply-To: <1236559948.16880.753.camel@cookie.hadess.net> References: <1236362169.9250.13.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1236559948.16880.753.camel@cookie.hadess.net> Message-ID: <1236609190.3181.2.camel@pc-notebook.kolej.mff.cuni.cz> On Mon, 2009-03-09 at 00:52 +0000, Bastien Nocera wrote: > On Fri, 2009-03-06 at 12:56 -0500, Matthias Clasen wrote: > > Gnome 2.26 is making brasero the default cd burning application in > > favour of nautilus-cd-burner. I think we should switch to using Brasero > > in the desktop spin as well. > > > > Bastien has done a lot of the work to make this change not regression. > > Basically, unless you explicitly start brasero, the cd burning user > > experience should be pretty much unchanged. > > I still have to switch our version of rhythmbox to it. > Then it means nautilus in rawhide is using brasero now for burning optical media, or are there some steps I need to do first to be able to test it (like removing nautilus-cd-burner package and installing nautilus-brasero or whatever instead)? Martin -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 197 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From mclasen at redhat.com Mon Mar 9 14:55:57 2009 From: mclasen at redhat.com (Matthias Clasen) Date: Mon, 09 Mar 2009 10:55:57 -0400 Subject: Switching to brasero In-Reply-To: <1236609190.3181.2.camel@pc-notebook.kolej.mff.cuni.cz> References: <1236362169.9250.13.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1236559948.16880.753.camel@cookie.hadess.net> <1236609190.3181.2.camel@pc-notebook.kolej.mff.cuni.cz> Message-ID: <1236610557.3343.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Mon, 2009-03-09 at 15:33 +0100, Martin Sourada wrote: > On Mon, 2009-03-09 at 00:52 +0000, Bastien Nocera wrote: > > On Fri, 2009-03-06 at 12:56 -0500, Matthias Clasen wrote: > > > Gnome 2.26 is making brasero the default cd burning application in > > > favour of nautilus-cd-burner. I think we should switch to using Brasero > > > in the desktop spin as well. > > > > > > Bastien has done a lot of the work to make this change not regression. > > > Basically, unless you explicitly start brasero, the cd burning user > > > experience should be pretty much unchanged. > > > > I still have to switch our version of rhythmbox to it. > > > Then it means nautilus in rawhide is using brasero now for burning > optical media, or are there some steps I need to do first to be able to > test it (like removing nautilus-cd-burner package and installing > nautilus-brasero or whatever instead)? Removing n-c-b and installing brasero should do it. If you have both installed, you get to choose (either in System > Preferences > File Management / Media, or in the 'Ask what to do' dialog). From mclasen at redhat.com Mon Mar 9 16:13:48 2009 From: mclasen at redhat.com (Matthias Clasen) Date: Mon, 09 Mar 2009 12:13:48 -0400 Subject: Switching to brasero In-Reply-To: <1236559948.16880.753.camel@cookie.hadess.net> References: <1236362169.9250.13.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1236559948.16880.753.camel@cookie.hadess.net> Message-ID: <1236615228.9065.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Mon, 2009-03-09 at 00:52 +0000, Bastien Nocera wrote: > On Fri, 2009-03-06 at 12:56 -0500, Matthias Clasen wrote: > > Gnome 2.26 is making brasero the default cd burning application in > > favour of nautilus-cd-burner. I think we should switch to using Brasero > > in the desktop spin as well. > > > > Bastien has done a lot of the work to make this change not regression. > > Basically, unless you explicitly start brasero, the cd burning user > > experience should be pretty much unchanged. > > I still have to switch our version of rhythmbox to it. I just saw the following go by: * Mon Mar 09 2009 - Bastien Nocera - 0.11.6-30.r6184 - Update to r6184 - Change default burner plugin to brasero I have now changed comps settings to "default" for brasero and "optional" for nautilus-cd-burner. From martin.sourada at gmail.com Mon Mar 9 17:59:18 2009 From: martin.sourada at gmail.com (Martin Sourada) Date: Mon, 09 Mar 2009 18:59:18 +0100 Subject: Switching to brasero In-Reply-To: <1236610557.3343.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1236362169.9250.13.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1236559948.16880.753.camel@cookie.hadess.net> <1236609190.3181.2.camel@pc-notebook.kolej.mff.cuni.cz> <1236610557.3343.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1236621558.3547.15.camel@pc-notebook.kolej.mff.cuni.cz> On Mon, 2009-03-09 at 10:55 -0400, Matthias Clasen wrote: > Removing n-c-b and installing brasero should do it. If you have both Does not look like this helps... Tried burning after that and nautilus just crashed. After that, no Burn button is to be seen anywhere. Burning directly with Brasero seems to work fine though. I'll recheck when I reboot if it helps. > installed, you get to choose (either in System > Preferences > File > Management / Media, or in the 'Ask what to do' dialog). > I do not see anywhere how to set which back-end will be used for burn:/// in nautilus. Martin -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 197 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From mclasen at redhat.com Mon Mar 9 18:28:45 2009 From: mclasen at redhat.com (Matthias Clasen) Date: Mon, 09 Mar 2009 14:28:45 -0400 Subject: Switching to brasero In-Reply-To: <1236621558.3547.15.camel@pc-notebook.kolej.mff.cuni.cz> References: <1236362169.9250.13.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1236559948.16880.753.camel@cookie.hadess.net> <1236609190.3181.2.camel@pc-notebook.kolej.mff.cuni.cz> <1236610557.3343.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1236621558.3547.15.camel@pc-notebook.kolej.mff.cuni.cz> Message-ID: <1236623326.9065.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Mon, 2009-03-09 at 18:59 +0100, Martin Sourada wrote: > On Mon, 2009-03-09 at 10:55 -0400, Matthias Clasen wrote: > > Removing n-c-b and installing brasero should do it. If you have both > Does not look like this helps... Tried burning after that and nautilus > just crashed. After that, no Burn button is to be seen anywhere. Burning > directly with Brasero seems to work fine though. I'll recheck when I > reboot if it helps. > > > installed, you get to choose (either in System > Preferences > File > > Management / Media, or in the 'Ask what to do' dialog). > > > I do not see anywhere how to set which back-end will be used for > burn:/// in nautilus. It is a little hidden... Go down to 'Other Media', select type 'blank CD disc'. Then the action combo has 'Open CD/DVD Creator' as a choice. The icon on that choice gives you a hint whether it will use brasero or nautilus-cd-burner... From bnocera at redhat.com Mon Mar 9 19:57:38 2009 From: bnocera at redhat.com (Bastien Nocera) Date: Mon, 09 Mar 2009 19:57:38 +0000 Subject: Switching to brasero In-Reply-To: <1236615228.9065.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1236362169.9250.13.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1236559948.16880.753.camel@cookie.hadess.net> <1236615228.9065.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1236628658.32264.196.camel@cookie.hadess.net> On Mon, 2009-03-09 at 12:13 -0400, Matthias Clasen wrote: > On Mon, 2009-03-09 at 00:52 +0000, Bastien Nocera wrote: > > On Fri, 2009-03-06 at 12:56 -0500, Matthias Clasen wrote: > > > Gnome 2.26 is making brasero the default cd burning application in > > > favour of nautilus-cd-burner. I think we should switch to using Brasero > > > in the desktop spin as well. > > > > > > Bastien has done a lot of the work to make this change not regression. > > > Basically, unless you explicitly start brasero, the cd burning user > > > experience should be pretty much unchanged. > > > > I still have to switch our version of rhythmbox to it. > > I just saw the following go by: > > * Mon Mar 09 2009 - Bastien Nocera - > 0.11.6-30.r6184 > - Update to r6184 > - Change default burner plugin to brasero > > I have now changed comps settings to "default" for brasero and > "optional" for nautilus-cd-burner. You can remove nautilus-cd-burner completely from there. It will get pulled in if something needs the ncb libs. Nothing should do in the default install. Cheers From bnocera at redhat.com Mon Mar 9 19:59:25 2009 From: bnocera at redhat.com (Bastien Nocera) Date: Mon, 09 Mar 2009 19:59:25 +0000 Subject: Switching to brasero In-Reply-To: <1236621558.3547.15.camel@pc-notebook.kolej.mff.cuni.cz> References: <1236362169.9250.13.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1236559948.16880.753.camel@cookie.hadess.net> <1236609190.3181.2.camel@pc-notebook.kolej.mff.cuni.cz> <1236610557.3343.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1236621558.3547.15.camel@pc-notebook.kolej.mff.cuni.cz> Message-ID: <1236628765.32264.199.camel@cookie.hadess.net> On Mon, 2009-03-09 at 18:59 +0100, Martin Sourada wrote: > On Mon, 2009-03-09 at 10:55 -0400, Matthias Clasen wrote: > > Removing n-c-b and installing brasero should do it. If you have both > Does not look like this helps... Tried burning after that and nautilus > just crashed. After that, no Burn button is to be seen anywhere. Burning > directly with Brasero seems to work fine though. I'll recheck when I > reboot if it helps. nautilus probably didn't like libraries going away from under it... > > installed, you get to choose (either in System > Preferences > File > > Management / Media, or in the 'Ask what to do' dialog). > > > I do not see anywhere how to set which back-end will be used for > burn:/// in nautilus. There's no backend there. Both brasero and ncb can read what's necessary from burn:///. The only thing that matters is which app is launched. Cheers From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Tue Mar 10 22:09:31 2009 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 03:39:31 +0530 Subject: xguest in the live cd Message-ID: <49B6E51B.9000902@fedoraproject.org> Hi, Since the previous thread seems to be getting ignored, can someone from the desktop team, let me know what you think of this? It would be nice to a guest user by default on the live cd. We can get some feedback, if we make this happen by Fedora 11 beta release. Rahul From dekkon at live.com Tue Mar 10 23:48:06 2009 From: dekkon at live.com (Jeremy Hankenson) Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 18:48:06 -0500 Subject: IdeaForge In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: While this is probably not the correct mailing list but the closest I could find. I purpose that Fedora implement a "Ideaforge" or "Brainstorm" like functionality for the Fedora Distribution. These examples can be found at: http://ideaforge.linux.com/ * brainstorm.ubuntu.com to see the kind of functionality I am talking about. I believe an easy way to suggest Ideas to this distribution is a good community effort and is should be implemented through all distributions. Having to the ability suggest, rate, and comment on Ideas the Users want is definitely something that would allow us to put fourth our opinions and suggestions in a easy and convenient way to the Fedora Devs, while leaving the mailing lists for the developers and the "IdeaForge" for the users. Thoughs? _________________________________________________________________ Express your personality in color! Preview and select themes for Hotmail?. http://www.windowslive-hotmail.com/LearnMore/personalize.aspx?ocid=TXT_MSGTX_WL_HM_express_032009#colortheme -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bnocera at redhat.com Wed Mar 11 00:49:54 2009 From: bnocera at redhat.com (Bastien Nocera) Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 00:49:54 +0000 Subject: IdeaForge In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1236732594.32264.1982.camel@cookie.hadess.net> On Tue, 2009-03-10 at 18:48 -0500, Jeremy Hankenson wrote: > While this is probably not the correct mailing list but the closest I > could find. > > I purpose that Fedora implement a "Ideaforge" or "Brainstorm" like > functionality for the Fedora Distribution. These examples can be found > at: > > http://ideaforge.linux.com/ * brainstorm.ubuntu.com Most of the time this is full of: - bad ideas - good ideas that are already in bugzilla - good ideas that are already on the long-term plans for the distribution/desktop as a whole Last time I looked at Ubuntu's Brainstorm, I found _1_ good idea. Turns out it was already on my TODO list, and is implemented in F11[1]. Cheers [1]: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/Fingerprint From mclasen at redhat.com Wed Mar 11 01:05:36 2009 From: mclasen at redhat.com (Matthias Clasen) Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 21:05:36 -0400 Subject: xguest in the live cd In-Reply-To: <49B6E51B.9000902@fedoraproject.org> References: <49B6E51B.9000902@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <1236733536.3475.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Wed, 2009-03-11 at 03:39 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > Hi, > > Since the previous thread seems to be getting ignored, can someone from > the desktop team, let me know what you think of this? It would be nice > to a guest user by default on the live cd. We can get some feedback, if > we make this happen by Fedora 11 beta release. I don't see why not. But then, I also don't see much point in having a guest account on a live cd. From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Wed Mar 11 01:16:27 2009 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 06:46:27 +0530 Subject: xguest in the live cd In-Reply-To: <1236733536.3475.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <49B6E51B.9000902@fedoraproject.org> <1236733536.3475.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <49B710EB.8060805@fedoraproject.org> Matthias Clasen wrote: > On Wed, 2009-03-11 at 03:39 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote: >> Hi, >> >> Since the previous thread seems to be getting ignored, can someone from >> the desktop team, let me know what you think of this? It would be nice >> to a guest user by default on the live cd. We can get some feedback, if >> we make this happen by Fedora 11 beta release. > > I don't see why not. But then, I also don't see much point in having a > guest account on a live cd. It won't be that useful as a live cd as such but since we are recommending the desktop live cd as the primary point of entry for new users at http://get.fedoraproject.org/, it would be quite useful for desktop users once people use the live cd to install them to their hard disk, I think. Rahul From mclasen at redhat.com Wed Mar 11 01:45:35 2009 From: mclasen at redhat.com (Matthias Clasen) Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 21:45:35 -0400 Subject: xguest in the live cd In-Reply-To: <49B710EB.8060805@fedoraproject.org> References: <49B6E51B.9000902@fedoraproject.org> <1236733536.3475.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> <49B710EB.8060805@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <1236735935.3475.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Wed, 2009-03-11 at 06:46 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > It won't be that useful as a live cd as such but since we are > recommending the desktop live cd as the primary point of entry for new > users at http://get.fedoraproject.org/, it would be quite useful for > desktop users once people use the live cd to install them to their hard > disk, I think. Fair enough. I'm sure people will bitch about this poking unasked wholes in their system security. What do others think ? From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Wed Mar 11 07:26:26 2009 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 09:26:26 +0200 Subject: IdeaForge In-Reply-To: <1236732594.32264.1982.camel@cookie.hadess.net> References: <1236732594.32264.1982.camel@cookie.hadess.net> Message-ID: <49B767A2.2010002@nicubunu.ro> Bastien Nocera wrote: > On Tue, 2009-03-10 at 18:48 -0500, Jeremy Hankenson wrote: >> While this is probably not the correct mailing list but the closest I >> could find. >> >> I purpose that Fedora implement a "Ideaforge" or "Brainstorm" like >> functionality for the Fedora Distribution. These examples can be found >> at: >> >> http://ideaforge.linux.com/ * brainstorm.ubuntu.com > > Most of the time this is full of: > - bad ideas > - good ideas that are already in bugzilla > - good ideas that are already on the long-term plans for the > distribution/desktop as a whole There are also "absolutely hilarious ideas", like hiring Fedora art team to help with Ubuntu artwork and advertising (http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/idea/5992/) -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com/ photography: http://photoblog.nicubunu.ro/ my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/ From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Wed Mar 11 08:49:45 2009 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 14:19:45 +0530 Subject: IdeaForge In-Reply-To: <49B767A2.2010002@nicubunu.ro> References: <1236732594.32264.1982.camel@cookie.hadess.net> <49B767A2.2010002@nicubunu.ro> Message-ID: <49B77B29.3000800@fedoraproject.org> Nicu Buculei wrote: > Bastien Nocera wrote: >> On Tue, 2009-03-10 at 18:48 -0500, Jeremy Hankenson wrote: >>> While this is probably not the correct mailing list but the closest I >>> could find. >>> I purpose that Fedora implement a "Ideaforge" or "Brainstorm" like >>> functionality for the Fedora Distribution. These examples can be found >>> at: >>> http://ideaforge.linux.com/ * brainstorm.ubuntu.com >> >> Most of the time this is full of: >> - bad ideas >> - good ideas that are already in bugzilla >> - good ideas that are already on the long-term plans for the >> distribution/desktop as a whole > > There are also "absolutely hilarious ideas", like hiring Fedora art team > to help with Ubuntu artwork and advertising > (http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/idea/5992/) Some of my favourites include Idea #11730: Make developers pay attention to the ideas in this site http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/idea/11730/ or Idea #15205: Replace Xorg with Wayland http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/idea/15205/ Rahul From bnocera at redhat.com Wed Mar 11 12:25:27 2009 From: bnocera at redhat.com (Bastien Nocera) Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 12:25:27 +0000 Subject: Unwanted muting? We have the answer! Message-ID: <1236774327.32264.2693.camel@cookie.hadess.net> Heya, If you've been experiencing muting using the GNOME desktop in rawhide, I believe this would be fixed in the packages at: http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/taskinfo?taskID=1236323 Please test, as this needs to get upstream in GNOME, as well as in the Beta for Fedora. Cheers From katzj at redhat.com Wed Mar 11 13:40:06 2009 From: katzj at redhat.com (Jeremy Katz) Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 09:40:06 -0400 Subject: xguest in the live cd In-Reply-To: <1236735935.3475.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <49B6E51B.9000902@fedoraproject.org> <1236733536.3475.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> <49B710EB.8060805@fedoraproject.org> <1236735935.3475.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <20090311134006.GD6126@redhat.com> On Tuesday, March 10 2009, Matthias Clasen said: > On Wed, 2009-03-11 at 06:46 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > > It won't be that useful as a live cd as such but since we are > > recommending the desktop live cd as the primary point of entry for new > > users at http://get.fedoraproject.org/, it would be quite useful for > > desktop users once people use the live cd to install them to their hard > > disk, I think. > > Fair enough. I'm sure people will bitch about this poking unasked wholes > in their system security. > > What do others think ? I think making xguest more accessible is a Good Thing (tm) and that having it in the live images/installed by default is a part of that. But the other part is perhaps the "how do I make it easy to turn off" -- right now, that involves removing the package afaik. Having it be an easy "turn off the account in system-config-users[1]" would probably make it even more awesome. That said, let's put it in the beta and see what more people think :-) Worst case is we get some xguest testing with the beta (which isn't bad either) Jeremy [1] Or whatever tool we're saying is used for graphically adding/removing users today :) From mclasen at redhat.com Wed Mar 11 13:46:54 2009 From: mclasen at redhat.com (Matthias Clasen) Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 09:46:54 -0400 Subject: Unwanted muting? We have the answer! In-Reply-To: <1236774327.32264.2693.camel@cookie.hadess.net> References: <1236774327.32264.2693.camel@cookie.hadess.net> Message-ID: <1236779214.3705.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Wed, 2009-03-11 at 12:25 +0000, Bastien Nocera wrote: > Heya, > > If you've been experiencing muting using the GNOME desktop in rawhide, I > believe this would be fixed in the packages at: > http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/taskinfo?taskID=1236323 > > Please test, as this needs to get upstream in GNOME, as well as in the > Beta for Fedora. It works fine in my testing, with rhythmbox, totem and flash. From rdieter at math.unl.edu Wed Mar 11 14:02:11 2009 From: rdieter at math.unl.edu (Rex Dieter) Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 09:02:11 -0500 Subject: IdeaForge References: Message-ID: Jeremy Hankenson wrote: > While this is probably not the correct mailing list but the closest I > could find. => https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > I purpose that Fedora implement a "Ideaforge" or "Brainstorm" like > functionality for the Fedora Distribution. From mclasen at redhat.com Wed Mar 11 17:44:19 2009 From: mclasen at redhat.com (Matthias Clasen) Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 13:44:19 -0400 Subject: xguest in the live cd In-Reply-To: <20090311134006.GD6126@redhat.com> References: <49B6E51B.9000902@fedoraproject.org> <1236733536.3475.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> <49B710EB.8060805@fedoraproject.org> <1236735935.3475.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20090311134006.GD6126@redhat.com> Message-ID: <1236793459.3705.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Wed, 2009-03-11 at 09:40 -0400, Jeremy Katz wrote: > On Tuesday, March 10 2009, Matthias Clasen said: > > On Wed, 2009-03-11 at 06:46 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > > > It won't be that useful as a live cd as such but since we are > > > recommending the desktop live cd as the primary point of entry for new > > > users at http://get.fedoraproject.org/, it would be quite useful for > > > desktop users once people use the live cd to install them to their hard > > > disk, I think. > > > > Fair enough. I'm sure people will bitch about this poking unasked wholes > > in their system security. > > > > What do others think ? > > I think making xguest more accessible is a Good Thing (tm) and that > having it in the live images/installed by default is a part of that. > But the other part is perhaps the "how do I make it easy to turn off" -- > right now, that involves removing the package afaik. Having it be an > easy "turn off the account in system-config-users[1]" would probably > make it even more awesome. > > That said, let's put it in the beta and see what more people think :-) > Worst case is we get some xguest testing with the beta (which isn't bad > either) Can you add a +xguest to fedora-livecd-desktop.ks ? For some reason I seem to have lost my git fu there... From katzj at redhat.com Wed Mar 11 19:14:44 2009 From: katzj at redhat.com (Jeremy Katz) Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 15:14:44 -0400 Subject: xguest in the live cd In-Reply-To: <1236793459.3705.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <49B6E51B.9000902@fedoraproject.org> <1236733536.3475.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> <49B710EB.8060805@fedoraproject.org> <1236735935.3475.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20090311134006.GD6126@redhat.com> <1236793459.3705.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <20090311191444.GA6584@redhat.com> On Wednesday, March 11 2009, Matthias Clasen said: > On Wed, 2009-03-11 at 09:40 -0400, Jeremy Katz wrote: > > On Tuesday, March 10 2009, Matthias Clasen said: > > > On Wed, 2009-03-11 at 06:46 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > > > > It won't be that useful as a live cd as such but since we are > > > > recommending the desktop live cd as the primary point of entry for new > > > > users at http://get.fedoraproject.org/, it would be quite useful for > > > > desktop users once people use the live cd to install them to their hard > > > > disk, I think. > > > > > > Fair enough. I'm sure people will bitch about this poking unasked wholes > > > in their system security. > > > > > > What do others think ? > > > > I think making xguest more accessible is a Good Thing (tm) and that > > having it in the live images/installed by default is a part of that. > > But the other part is perhaps the "how do I make it easy to turn off" -- > > right now, that involves removing the package afaik. Having it be an > > easy "turn off the account in system-config-users[1]" would probably > > make it even more awesome. > > > > That said, let's put it in the beta and see what more people think :-) > > Worst case is we get some xguest testing with the beta (which isn't bad > > either) > > Can you add a +xguest to fedora-livecd-desktop.ks ? For some reason I > seem to have lost my git fu there... Done. Will make sure with kanarip/f13 that it doesn't need to be on the branch and if so, will get it merged over also. Jeremy From mclasen at redhat.com Thu Mar 12 01:45:12 2009 From: mclasen at redhat.com (Matthias Clasen) Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 21:45:12 -0400 Subject: xguest in the live cd In-Reply-To: <20090311191444.GA6584@redhat.com> References: <49B6E51B.9000902@fedoraproject.org> <1236733536.3475.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> <49B710EB.8060805@fedoraproject.org> <1236735935.3475.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20090311134006.GD6126@redhat.com> <1236793459.3705.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20090311191444.GA6584@redhat.com> Message-ID: <1236822312.30785.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Wed, 2009-03-11 at 15:14 -0400, Jeremy Katz wrote: > > > That said, let's put it in the beta and see what more people think :-) > > > Worst case is we get some xguest testing with the beta (which isn't bad > > > either) > > > > Can you add a +xguest to fedora-livecd-desktop.ks ? For some reason I > > seem to have lost my git fu there... > > Done. Will make sure with kanarip/f13 that it doesn't need to be on the > branch and if so, will get it merged over also. Thanks, Jeremy. It might also be worthwhile to make sure that this gets mentioned in the beta release notes, together with some hints for how to turn it off (rpm -e xguest or userdel xguest). From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Thu Mar 12 14:25:48 2009 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 19:55:48 +0530 Subject: xguest in the live cd In-Reply-To: <1236822312.30785.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <49B6E51B.9000902@fedoraproject.org> <1236733536.3475.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> <49B710EB.8060805@fedoraproject.org> <1236735935.3475.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20090311134006.GD6126@redhat.com> <1236793459.3705.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20090311191444.GA6584@redhat.com> <1236822312.30785.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <49B91B6C.8000105@fedoraproject.org> Matthias Clasen wrote: > On Wed, 2009-03-11 at 15:14 -0400, Jeremy Katz wrote: > >>>> That said, let's put it in the beta and see what more people think :-) >>>> Worst case is we get some xguest testing with the beta (which isn't bad >>>> either) >>> Can you add a +xguest to fedora-livecd-desktop.ks ? For some reason I >>> seem to have lost my git fu there... >> Done. Will make sure with kanarip/f13 that it doesn't need to be on the >> branch and if so, will get it merged over also. > > Thanks, Jeremy. > > It might also be worthwhile to make sure that this gets mentioned in the > beta release notes, together with some hints for how to turn it off (rpm > -e xguest or userdel xguest). I have added the release notes at https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_11_Beta_release_notes#Desktop_Guest_User You might want to consider including xguest by default in the Fedora DVD image as well. Jesse Keating? Rahul From jkeating at redhat.com Thu Mar 12 16:44:51 2009 From: jkeating at redhat.com (Jesse Keating) Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 09:44:51 -0700 Subject: xguest in the live cd In-Reply-To: <49B91B6C.8000105@fedoraproject.org> References: <49B6E51B.9000902@fedoraproject.org> <1236733536.3475.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> <49B710EB.8060805@fedoraproject.org> <1236735935.3475.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20090311134006.GD6126@redhat.com> <1236793459.3705.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20090311191444.GA6584@redhat.com> <1236822312.30785.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> <49B91B6C.8000105@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <1236876291.3941.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Thu, 2009-03-12 at 19:55 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > > I have added the release notes at > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_11_Beta_release_notes#Desktop_Guest_User > > You might want to consider including xguest by default in the Fedora > DVD > image as well. Jesse Keating? > Getting it on the install media should be as easy as making it a default in one of the comps groups. -- Jesse Keating Fedora -- Freedom? is a feature! identi.ca: http://identi.ca/jkeating -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Jesse Keating? >> > > Getting it on the install media should be as easy as making it a default > in one of the comps groups. Which group would be appropriate? Can you do this? Rahul From notting at redhat.com Thu Mar 12 18:18:02 2009 From: notting at redhat.com (Bill Nottingham) Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 14:18:02 -0400 Subject: xguest in the live cd In-Reply-To: <49B93FA2.5090107@fedoraproject.org> References: <1236733536.3475.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> <49B710EB.8060805@fedoraproject.org> <1236735935.3475.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20090311134006.GD6126@redhat.com> <1236793459.3705.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20090311191444.GA6584@redhat.com> <1236822312.30785.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> <49B91B6C.8000105@fedoraproject.org> <1236876291.3941.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> <49B93FA2.5090107@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <20090312181802.GA30425@nostromo.devel.redhat.com> Rahul Sundaram (sundaram at fedoraproject.org) said: >> Getting it on the install media should be as easy as making it a default >> in one of the comps groups. > > Which group would be appropriate? Can you do this? Presumably, gnome-desktop? Bill From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Tue Mar 17 16:24:20 2009 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 21:54:20 +0530 Subject: xguest in the live cd In-Reply-To: <20090312181802.GA30425@nostromo.devel.redhat.com> References: <1236733536.3475.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> <49B710EB.8060805@fedoraproject.org> <1236735935.3475.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20090311134006.GD6126@redhat.com> <1236793459.3705.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20090311191444.GA6584@redhat.com> <1236822312.30785.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> <49B91B6C.8000105@fedoraproject.org> <1236876291.3941.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> <49B93FA2.5090107@fedoraproject.org> <20090312181802.GA30425@nostromo.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <49BFCEB4.8090307@fedoraproject.org> Bill Nottingham wrote: > Rahul Sundaram said: >>> Getting it on the install media should be as easy as making it a default >>> in one of the comps groups. >> Which group would be appropriate? Can you do this? > > Presumably, gnome-desktop? Can someone in the desktop team please confirm that, you agree to this? Rahul From mclasen at redhat.com Tue Mar 17 16:44:40 2009 From: mclasen at redhat.com (Matthias Clasen) Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 12:44:40 -0400 Subject: xguest in the live cd In-Reply-To: <49BFCEB4.8090307@fedoraproject.org> References: <1236733536.3475.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> <49B710EB.8060805@fedoraproject.org> <1236735935.3475.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20090311134006.GD6126@redhat.com> <1236793459.3705.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20090311191444.GA6584@redhat.com> <1236822312.30785.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> <49B91B6C.8000105@fedoraproject.org> <1236876291.3941.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> <49B93FA2.5090107@fedoraproject.org> <20090312181802.GA30425@nostromo.devel.redhat.com> <49BFCEB4.8090307@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <1237308281.3168.18.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Tue, 2009-03-17 at 21:54 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > Bill Nottingham wrote: > > Rahul Sundaram said: > >>> Getting it on the install media should be as easy as making it a default > >>> in one of the comps groups. > >> Which group would be appropriate? Can you do this? > > > > Presumably, gnome-desktop? > > Can someone in the desktop team please confirm that, you agree to this? After some irc discussion, I've now put xguest as optional entry in the base-x group, since it is not really gnome specific. From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Tue Mar 17 16:53:48 2009 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 22:23:48 +0530 Subject: xguest in the live cd In-Reply-To: <1237308281.3168.18.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1236733536.3475.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> <49B710EB.8060805@fedoraproject.org> <1236735935.3475.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20090311134006.GD6126@redhat.com> <1236793459.3705.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20090311191444.GA6584@redhat.com> <1236822312.30785.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> <49B91B6C.8000105@fedoraproject.org> <1236876291.3941.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> <49B93FA2.5090107@fedoraproject.org> <20090312181802.GA30425@nostromo.devel.redhat.com> <49BFCEB4.8090307@fedoraproject.org> <1237308281.3168.18.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <49BFD59C.9060803@fedoraproject.org> Matthias Clasen wrote: > On Tue, 2009-03-17 at 21:54 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote: >> Bill Nottingham wrote: >>> Rahul Sundaram said: >>>>> Getting it on the install media should be as easy as making it a default >>>>> in one of the comps groups. >>>> Which group would be appropriate? Can you do this? >>> Presumably, gnome-desktop? >> Can someone in the desktop team please confirm that, you agree to this? > > After some irc discussion, I've now put xguest as optional entry in the > base-x group, since it is not really gnome specific. My goal was to get the desktop live cd experience to match the Fedora DVD experience as closely as possible. Now, you will get xguest by default only if you install from the live cd. I think such deviations should be avoided. Speaking from the documentation perspective, these things are very much a pain. Rahul From jkeating at redhat.com Tue Mar 17 16:59:04 2009 From: jkeating at redhat.com (Jesse Keating) Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 09:59:04 -0700 Subject: xguest in the live cd In-Reply-To: <49BFD59C.9060803@fedoraproject.org> References: <1236733536.3475.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> <49B710EB.8060805@fedoraproject.org> <1236735935.3475.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20090311134006.GD6126@redhat.com> <1236793459.3705.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20090311191444.GA6584@redhat.com> <1236822312.30785.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> <49B91B6C.8000105@fedoraproject.org> <1236876291.3941.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> <49B93FA2.5090107@fedoraproject.org> <20090312181802.GA30425@nostromo.devel.redhat.com> <49BFCEB4.8090307@fedoraproject.org> <1237308281.3168.18.camel@localhost.localdomain> <49BFD59C.9060803@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <1237309144.3823.25.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Tue, 2009-03-17 at 22:23 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > My goal was to get the desktop live cd experience to match the Fedora > DVD experience as closely as possible. Now, you will get xguest by > default only if you install from the live cd. I think such deviations > should be avoided. Speaking from the documentation perspective, these > things are very much a pain. > In this case, we're using the Beta as an experiment, not as a final setting. Where to put the package in comps is a real problem when you consider interaction with other DEs and WMs and LMs, particularly at this stage of the freeze. If things go well with xguest being on the Live image we can then discuss how to appropriately place it in comps after beta. -- Jesse Keating Fedora -- Freedom? is a feature! identi.ca: http://identi.ca/jkeating -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 197 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From mspevack at redhat.com Wed Mar 18 13:12:57 2009 From: mspevack at redhat.com (Max Spevack) Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 14:12:57 +0100 (CET) Subject: liveusb-creator on Live CD? Message-ID: Hi team, One of the suggestions that we received at the Fedora booth this past weekend at Chemnitzer Linux Tage was to add liveusb-creator to the default pacakge set for both the Desktop Live CD and the DVD. Since the package manifest for the Desktop Live CD is the responsibility of this team, I wanted to forward the suggestion on. The package is quite small, and I don't *think* it pulls in any dependencies that aren't already part of the spin. Thanks, Max From gerold at lugd.org Wed Mar 18 13:20:53 2009 From: gerold at lugd.org (Gerold) Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 14:20:53 +0100 (CET) Subject: liveusb-creator on Live CD? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5580.217.162.12.42.1237382453.squirrel@www.gbc.net> > Hi team, > > One of the suggestions that we received at the Fedora booth this past > weekend at Chemnitzer Linux Tage was to add liveusb-creator to the > default pacakge set for both the Desktop Live CD and the DVD. ^^ to be honest or re-ask the question as a "model" himself: - Create a Live-medium out of a live medium? -- Does this makes really sense? -- where to store the ISO for creating a Live medium? --- on the HDD of the not touched system? remeber, it's a live booted system --- on the CD? How??? --- on the DvD? How??? :-) > > Since the package manifest for the Desktop Live CD is the responsibility > of this team, I wanted to forward the suggestion on. > > The package is quite small, and I don't *think* it pulls in any > dependencies that aren't already part of the spin. > > Thanks, > Max ^^ Just my thoughts in that issue kindly yours Gerold From katzj at redhat.com Wed Mar 18 13:22:08 2009 From: katzj at redhat.com (Jeremy Katz) Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 09:22:08 -0400 Subject: liveusb-creator on Live CD? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20090318132207.GB5140@redhat.com> On Wednesday, March 18 2009, Max Spevack said: > One of the suggestions that we received at the Fedora booth this past > weekend at Chemnitzer Linux Tage was to add liveusb-creator to the > default pacakge set for both the Desktop Live CD and the DVD. > > Since the package manifest for the Desktop Live CD is the responsibility > of this team, I wanted to forward the suggestion on. > > The package is quite small, and I don't *think* it pulls in any > dependencies that aren't already part of the spin. liveusb-creator uses PyQt for its UI and thus ends up pulling in the QT stack. Which isn't on the livecd at present and isn't small. Jeremy From caolanm at redhat.com Wed Mar 18 14:09:18 2009 From: caolanm at redhat.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Caol=E1n?= McNamara) Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 14:09:18 +0000 Subject: gtk print dialog and OOo Message-ID: <1237385358.16894.133.camel@Vain> We've supported a gtk print dialog integration in OOo for a while, but there has always been a few little gotchas, and now that the "built-in" OOo dialog has some nifty extras there are extra gotchas. So I'll be reverting to the "built-in" dialog for F11, a quick dump of the gotchas are.. *) Need an extra "Selection" option for printing. http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=344519 http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=563619 OOo can print just the selected text, selected graphic or selected cells, but no way to show that in the gtk print dialog. *) Way to specify the page size and orientation (esp. when using n-up printing) http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=551409 http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=551726 Most OpenOffice.org applications have per-page orientations rather than global per print-job orientation, but when printing multiple pages in one sheet of paper through cups, its desirable to have a way to specify the orientation and page size of the combined sheet. We could do this with a custom tab, but see next entry *) Emit a signal when a printer is selected. http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=564854 So e.g. a custom tab that should only exist for say, printing to a cups backend, or using save as .pdf file can be shown/hidden depending on the printer selection, e.g. pdf encryption options or pdf "read-only except for filling in fields" directives which only make sense in a save as .pdf context. Hackable around with nasty switch-page callback on the notebook widget if you rummage around horrifically through the dialog hierarchy looking for it. *) Spreadsheet printing No "All Sheets", "Selected Sheets" in addition to the pages options for spreadsheets that may have multiple sheets each of which can span multiple pages. "Page 1 of 2 sheets selected out of 3 sheets in total". Could do a gnumeric and do this in a custom tab though *) Presentation printing Want to select notes, or outline, or handouts. Could do this in a custom tab though. From rdieter at math.unl.edu Wed Mar 18 14:20:15 2009 From: rdieter at math.unl.edu (Rex Dieter) Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 09:20:15 -0500 Subject: liveusb-creator on Live CD? References: <20090318132207.GB5140@redhat.com> Message-ID: Jeremy Katz wrote: > On Wednesday, March 18 2009, Max Spevack said: >> One of the suggestions that we received at the Fedora booth this past >> weekend at Chemnitzer Linux Tage was to add liveusb-creator to the >> default pacakge set for both the Desktop Live CD and the DVD. >> >> Since the package manifest for the Desktop Live CD is the responsibility >> of this team, I wanted to forward the suggestion on. >> >> The package is quite small, and I don't *think* it pulls in any >> dependencies that aren't already part of the spin. > > liveusb-creator uses PyQt for its UI and thus ends up pulling in the QT > stack. Which isn't on the livecd at present and isn't small. It's on the kde spin, since we can afford to do it. Wasn't someone working on a pygtk interface? (or maybe senility sinking in, and I'm imagining things)... -- Rex From jkeating at j2solutions.net Wed Mar 18 15:09:35 2009 From: jkeating at j2solutions.net (Jesse Keating) Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 08:09:35 -0700 Subject: liveusb-creator on Live CD? In-Reply-To: <5580.217.162.12.42.1237382453.squirrel@www.gbc.net> References: <5580.217.162.12.42.1237382453.squirrel@www.gbc.net> Message-ID: <1237388975.8808.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Wed, 2009-03-18 at 14:20 +0100, Gerold wrote: > to be honest or re-ask the question as a "model" himself: > - Create a Live-medium out of a live medium? Given that the Live images are also installable, this would be useful not just when running live, but also post-installation. > -- Does this makes really sense? Yes. > -- where to store the ISO for creating a Live medium? In memory or on the persistent overlay, or wherever once installed. > --- on the HDD of the not touched system? remeber, it's a live booted > system Not always. > --- on the CD? How??? > --- on the DvD? How??? A perhaps useful mode would be to have live-*-creator be able to use the running live image as the source for installing to USB. -- Jesse Keating RHCE (http://jkeating.livejournal.com) Fedora Project (http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/JesseKeating) GPG Public Key (geek.j2solutions.net/jkeating.j2solutions.pub) identi.ca (http://identi.ca/jkeating) -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 197 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From katzj at redhat.com Wed Mar 18 15:12:44 2009 From: katzj at redhat.com (Jeremy Katz) Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 11:12:44 -0400 Subject: liveusb-creator on Live CD? In-Reply-To: <1237388975.8808.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <5580.217.162.12.42.1237382453.squirrel@www.gbc.net> <1237388975.8808.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <20090318151244.GC5238@redhat.com> On Wednesday, March 18 2009, Jesse Keating said: > A perhaps useful mode would be to have live-*-creator be able to use the > running live image as the source for installing to USB. livecd-iso-to-disk actually can already do this I think, although it's a little horky and not necessarily obvious how to do so Jeremy From mclasen at redhat.com Tue Mar 24 17:01:37 2009 From: mclasen at redhat.com (Matthias Clasen) Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 13:01:37 -0400 Subject: xguest in the live cd In-Reply-To: <1237309144.3823.25.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1236733536.3475.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> <49B710EB.8060805@fedoraproject.org> <1236735935.3475.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20090311134006.GD6126@redhat.com> <1236793459.3705.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20090311191444.GA6584@redhat.com> <1236822312.30785.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> <49B91B6C.8000105@fedoraproject.org> <1236876291.3941.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> <49B93FA2.5090107@fedoraproject.org> <20090312181802.GA30425@nostromo.devel.redhat.com> <49BFCEB4.8090307@fedoraproject.org> <1237308281.3168.18.camel@localhost.localdomain> <49BFD59C.9060803@fedoraproject.org> <1237309144.3823.25.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1237914097.3563.9.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Tue, 2009-03-17 at 09:59 -0700, Jesse Keating wrote: > On Tue, 2009-03-17 at 22:23 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > > My goal was to get the desktop live cd experience to match the Fedora > > DVD experience as closely as possible. Now, you will get xguest by > > default only if you install from the live cd. I think such deviations > > should be avoided. Speaking from the documentation perspective, these > > things are very much a pain. > > > > In this case, we're using the Beta as an experiment, not as a final > setting. Where to put the package in comps is a real problem when you > consider interaction with other DEs and WMs and LMs, particularly at > this stage of the freeze. If things go well with xguest being on the > Live image we can then discuss how to appropriately place it in comps > after beta. Indeed, just an experiment. After playing a bit with it, I am pretty convinced that we don't want xguest by default in F11. We are just fooling ourselves if we think that having "Guest" appear on the gdm login screen means that we have a working guest account. The current xguest package is more like a technology demo that shows that selinux does indeed make it possible to tightly lock down a lot of desktop features without adjusting the UI at all. If we want to have a meaningful guest account we will have to do the same hard work that the Ubuntu guys did of defining the use cases, figuring out what the guest is supposed to do, and adjust the guest session to actually reflect these abilities. Here are some things I noticed in 10 minutes of using a xguest session: - When logging into the xguest account, I get a regular default gnome desktop, with the difference that a lot of things don't work (except for firefox). - For some reason, gnome-power-manager is not running in the xguest session. - I tried to open a web page with epiphany, and it didn't work, while doing it in firefox works just fine. But still, epiphany is in the menus. - I inserted a usb stick, and got some nautilus dialogs, but unlocking the encrypted partition didn't work, probably because /media was not visible. - None of the PolicyKit policies have been adapted to reflect that xguest will not be able to do much of anything. On top of this, xguest seems to have some serious issues, see e.g. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=491924 Matthias From ankit at redhat.com Wed Mar 25 08:28:41 2009 From: ankit at redhat.com (Ankitkumar Rameshchandra Patel) Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2009 13:58:41 +0530 Subject: system-config-display ? Message-ID: <49C9EB39.1070100@redhat.com> Is system-config-display removed from Fedora rawhide (or F11) ? -- Regards, Ankit Patel http://www.indianoss.org/ From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Wed Mar 25 08:44:50 2009 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2009 14:14:50 +0530 Subject: system-config-display ? In-Reply-To: <49C9EB39.1070100@redhat.com> References: <49C9EB39.1070100@redhat.com> Message-ID: <49C9EF02.9070103@fedoraproject.org> Ankitkumar Rameshchandra Patel wrote: > Is system-config-display removed from Fedora rawhide (or F11) ? Seems to be available still but it hasn't been installed by default since the previous release. Note that, it is going away soon. https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2009-March/msg01413.html Rahul From ankit at redhat.com Wed Mar 25 12:13:59 2009 From: ankit at redhat.com (Ankitkumar Rameshchandra Patel) Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2009 17:43:59 +0530 Subject: system-config-display ? In-Reply-To: <49C9EF02.9070103@fedoraproject.org> References: <49C9EB39.1070100@redhat.com> <49C9EF02.9070103@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <49CA2007.4010001@redhat.com> Rahul Sundaram wrote: > Ankitkumar Rameshchandra Patel wrote: > >> Is system-config-display removed from Fedora rawhide (or F11) ? >> > > Seems to be available still but it hasn't been installed by default > since the previous release. Note that, it is going away soon. > > https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2009-March/msg01413.html > > Rahul > Thanks Rahul -- Regards, Ankit Patel http://www.indianoss.org/ From mclasen at redhat.com Wed Mar 25 19:03:04 2009 From: mclasen at redhat.com (Matthias Clasen) Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2009 15:03:04 -0400 Subject: xguest in the live cd In-Reply-To: <1237914097.3563.9.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1236733536.3475.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> <49B710EB.8060805@fedoraproject.org> <1236735935.3475.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20090311134006.GD6126@redhat.com> <1236793459.3705.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20090311191444.GA6584@redhat.com> <1236822312.30785.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> <49B91B6C.8000105@fedoraproject.org> <1236876291.3941.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> <49B93FA2.5090107@fedoraproject.org> <20090312181802.GA30425@nostromo.devel.redhat.com> <49BFCEB4.8090307@fedoraproject.org> <1237308281.3168.18.camel@localhost.localdomain> <49BFD59C.9060803@fedoraproject.org> <1237309144.3823.25.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1237914097.3563.9.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1238007784.3851.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> One more xguest problem I forgot to mention: - When selinux is not in enforcing mode, logging into the guest account doesn't work. And it fails without any error message. From jonstanley at gmail.com Wed Mar 25 23:47:24 2009 From: jonstanley at gmail.com (Jon Stanley) Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2009 19:47:24 -0400 Subject: xguest in the live cd In-Reply-To: <1238007784.3851.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1236733536.3475.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1236876291.3941.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> <49B93FA2.5090107@fedoraproject.org> <20090312181802.GA30425@nostromo.devel.redhat.com> <49BFCEB4.8090307@fedoraproject.org> <1237308281.3168.18.camel@localhost.localdomain> <49BFD59C.9060803@fedoraproject.org> <1237309144.3823.25.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1237914097.3563.9.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1238007784.3851.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 3:03 PM, Matthias Clasen wrote: > - When selinux is not in enforcing mode, logging into the guest account > doesn't work. And it fails without any error message. I thought that the option wasn't even available when not in enforcing mode. But I agree, this seems to be a "look what SELinux can do!" rather than something with immediate practical applications. That being said, it would be great if someone could write down a list of exactly what usecases we're trying to get at with xguest, and work with Dan to make that a reality. Unfortunately I don't think that I'm a good candidate for that, since I'm not your typical desktop user :) From mclasen at redhat.com Thu Mar 26 00:11:38 2009 From: mclasen at redhat.com (Matthias Clasen) Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2009 20:11:38 -0400 Subject: xguest in the live cd In-Reply-To: References: <1236733536.3475.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1236876291.3941.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> <49B93FA2.5090107@fedoraproject.org> <20090312181802.GA30425@nostromo.devel.redhat.com> <49BFCEB4.8090307@fedoraproject.org> <1237308281.3168.18.camel@localhost.localdomain> <49BFD59C.9060803@fedoraproject.org> <1237309144.3823.25.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1237914097.3563.9.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1238007784.3851.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1238026299.3550.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Wed, 2009-03-25 at 19:47 -0400, Jon Stanley wrote: > > That being said, it would be great if someone could write down a list > of exactly what usecases we're trying to get at with xguest, and work > with Dan to make that a reality. Unfortunately I don't think that I'm > a good candidate for that, since I'm not your typical desktop user :) > Dan himself is describing his xguest as more akin to a kiosk system than to a guest account. Here are some links: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/300489 Windows XP https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/Specs/Intrepid/GuestAccount Ubuntu https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Desktop/Whiteboards/GuestUser our own (blank) slate...