Fedora 13 Schedule

[Jesse Keating]

On Nov 25, 2009, at 13:45, Matthias Clasen <mclasen at redhat.com> wrote:

> On Wed, 2009-11-25 at 13:09 -0800, John Poelstra wrote:
>> On 11/25/2009 05:58 AM, Mike Chambers wrote:
>>> On Tue, 2009-11-24 at 19:44 -0500, Matthias Clasen wrote:
>>>> On Tue, 2009-11-24 at 15:57 -0800, John Poelstra wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> The basic structure of Fedora 13 schedule has been set and will  
>>>>> soon go
>>>>> to FESCo for final approval.  Once that happens I will build  
>>>>> proposed
>>>>> schedules for: Documentation, Translation, Design, Marketing,  
>>>>> and Websites.
>>>>>
>>>>> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/13/Schedule
>>>>> http://poelstra.fedorapeople.org/schedules/f-13/f-13-releng-tasks.html
>>>>>
>>>>> If you have constructive feedback for altering or enhancing the
>>>>> schedule, now is the time to give it.  If it would be helpful to  
>>>>> create
>>>>> a public Desktop specific schedule I'd be glad to help with that  
>>>>> as well.
>>>>
>>>> I don't think I have much constructive feedback, other than that  
>>>> the
>>>> development phase seems very short, with holidays and whatnot.
>>>
>>> I was just looking at that as well, and have came up with 5 months  
>>> of
>>> development/testing (including from date F12 was released) for the
>>> cycle?  Just curious, isn't that kind of short?  And as stated  
>>> above,
>>> not even realy 5 months, since all the major holidays are included  
>>> in
>>> this cycle.
>>>
>>
>> Fedora does not usually factor in holidays.  I've attempted to  
>> include
>> them in previous schedule drafts, but they were dismissed by others  
>> as
>> not being relevant to Fedora since we don't have official work days,
>> office hours, etc..  Granted if a serious freeze or release date
>> occurred during a major holiday period I'm sure they would  
>> reconsider,
>> but our release dates are such that they don't.
>
> I've seen plenty of earlier discussion where rel-eng was carefully
> trying to triangulate the release date around thanksgiving or easter.
> It seems somewhat unfair to say that rel-eng get to take holidays, but
> developers are expected to work straight through... :-)

That's not it at all. We try to avoid any deadline that would fall on  
or near a major holiday. That's more for the developers than releng.


>
>
>> The flip side of this is Jesse's mention in another post about the
>> branch for Fedora 13 being open before the end of Fedora 12 and the  
>> thus
>> development being longer than five months.  I'm not sure how this  
>> works
>> out in reality for development--if they can really take advantage  
>> of the
>> early opening of the next release or if 95% of their energy remains
>> focused on the release at hand.
>
> If we want to get away from the 'just a feature dump' and 'just a  
> beta'
> monikers, we'll have to face the fact that it does not work out in
> practise, at some point.
>
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