The Future of Fedora

[Otto Haliburton]

> -----Original Message-----
> From: fedora-devel-list-admin at redhat.com [mailto:fedora-devel-list-
> admin at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Michael Kearey
> Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2003 5:27 PM
> To: fedora-devel-list at redhat.com
> Subject: Re: The Future of Fedora
> 
> Alexey Eremenko wrote:
> > Well. Let me rethink, and process your responses.
> >
> > The most interesting ones came from:
> >
> > Jesse Keating
> >
> > -and-
> >
> > Rui Miguel Seabra
> >
> >
> >
> > However, I misagree with on many items.OS MUST be easy.
> >
> > One man even wrote, that Linux must not, because it's for Professionals.
> >
> > He made a GREAT mistake, because me and my father are Pro's and running
> WindowsXP,
> >
> > and we see that a comfortable OS saves time. (while linux spends a lot
> of it on fight vs. the OS)
> >
> >
> >
> > Questions by: Rui Miguel Seabra
> >
> >
> >>>3)Boot:
> >
> >
> >>I don't understand such slow performance. Maybe you're doing something
> >>wrong (like having too many unneeded services starting up). Did you make
> >>a full installation?
> >
> >
> >>Also, the graphical boot does increase the boot time seriously.
> >
> >
> >
> > Well, almost full install, and YES I run GUI, because otherwise Linux is
> useless.
> >
> > Also I run all the default FC1 services. (including a DHCP client.)
> 
> One of my Fedora systems is a VMware virtual machine, running on a
> Redhat 9 desktop system. The Fedora system has full GUI and graphical
> boot, and with all default services on completes it's boot process -
> from turning the machine on to completely logged into GUI - in 1
> minute 40 seconds. That includes the pause in Grub showing me the
> kernel it's going to boot (10 seconds by default).
> 
> Edit /etc/grub.conf, change timeout to 2 seconds (From 10), remove
> 'rhgb' from end of kernel line in grub...
> 
> Boot time, from turn on to logged in is now 1 minute 20 seconds.
> 
> Looking at my VMware Fedora system, I don't need these services:
> apmd, isdn, kudsu (System will not have any devices added) netfs, nfs,
> nfslock, pcmcia, portmap or smartd (Smartd fails anyway on a VMware
> virtual disk). After disabling these services I have a perfectly
> functional Fedora system that boots in 1 minute 10 seconds.
> 
> Note that this is in a VMware virtual machine. It will be booting a
> lot slower than a native Fedora installation, on real hardware. I
> would suggest that 2 minutes for your machine is too slow ie It is not
> normal.
> >
> > I don't know any commands to enter for a command line.
> 
> Here is where you show your ignorance. The most valuable asset for
> Linux IMO is the command line, and I find it extraordinary that you
> say without GUI Linux is useless.. I suggest that you learn to use
> Linux AND command line. Then comment on how useable Linux is.
> 
> IMO Linux is most usefull BECAUSE of the commandline.
> 
> >
> >
> >>>5) Multimedia: Under good drivers I mean the ability to see my
> battery's
> >>>power, plus ability to give to buttons 4 and 5 different functions:
> >>>like minimazing windows, copy text, forward and backward buttons on
> >>>Interet Explorer (Mozilla - is my favourite in Linux). Etc...
> 
> Multimedia usually (And most correctly) refers to sound, video, etc.
> Mice have little to with that subject. Mice are generally input
> devices. Marketing drones may call a mouse product a 'Multimedia
> mouse'. But it isn't. It's just an input device.
> 
> <snip>
> > I see you understand nothing in multi button mice.
> >
> > Buttons 1,2,3 (left, right, scroll button) have standard function.
> >
> > All other buttons are programmable. (4 and 5)
> >
> > And YES, In the future I plan to use Logitech 8-button mouse.
> >
> > They *can* have the following commands: (this list isn't full)
> >
> > -Close -Copy -Ctrl -Cut -Delete -Explore -Help -Refresh -Find -Maximize
> -Minimize -Paste
> >
> > -Print screen -Redo -Run -Select All -Show/Hide desktop -Start -Tab -
> Undo
> 
> The beauty of Linux in general is that users can look at how it works,
> and can contribute. How about doing the community a service, and
> configure your Linux to utilise the multitude of buttons on your
> mouse? Then contribute to the development of the OS by publishing your
> efforts.
> 
> I have a low oppinion of those that criticise without any effort to
> contribute. After all, the Fedora you have installed was downloaded
> for FREE, and contains a huge amount of software written by generous
> contributors. I'd prefer to see bug reports than monologues from
> fairly ignorant users complaining that their free to download OS does
> not live up to their expectations...
>
IMHO it is this kind of attitude that causes problems.  The object of all
should be to put the best product out and the only way to do that is to
point out its defect, some may choose to write bug reports others may try to
describe the problem.  In any case the facts are out their irregardless of
whether it is free or not.  Free is a term of art, something free can cost a
fortune if it destroys something you value.....
 
> 
> 
> Cheers,
> Michael
> 
> 
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