Fedora Core 2 Distribution Size
Manik Surtani
manik.surtani at conchango.com
Mon Jan 5 14:37:20 UTC 2004
Hello all.
I downloaded FC1 ISOs via bit torrent. Something that took me 3 hours
on my ADSL line rather than the 20 or so hours it would have taken me to
download the ISOs off a local mirror.
Essentially, using a network install (as mentioned here) would be just
as slow as downloading the ISOs from a mirror? Not a pleasant option,
even with broadband.
The last time I did a network install was with RH5.2 way back when, on
my then cable modem. Not fun - a basic install took all night to run,
and I've never touched network installs since (off the Internet. I do
network installs off a LAN frequently).
I hardly know anything of the internal workings of Anaconda, but perhaps
there is a way to do network installs of bittorrent shares? Now THAT
would be interesting!
Cheers,
Manik
On Mon, 2004-01-05 at 13:52, Stuart Children wrote:
> Maurice F. Piller wrote:
> > Fedora Core 1 came out with 3 iso installation images. Has the size of the
> > Fedora Core 2 release been determined yet?
> [snip]
>
> A few comments for the discussion:
>
> - As has already been mentioned, enough people want different sets of
> packages to make it impossible to place packages such that the majority
> only needs 2 CDs.
> - There is the issue with package ordering.
> - Something that hasn't been mentioned: When fedora extras really gets
> going we're going to have an even bigger problem when it comes to
> upgrades. Imagine I'm upgrading from Fedora 2 to Fedora 3 and I have
> many extras packages installed. I download the 2/3 CDs for Fedora
> *Core*. I start an upgrade... anaconda finds some extras installed that
> depend on an old version of a package in core which it is about to
> upgrade. So it removes that extra package. If this happens for many
> packages it's not good news! Perhaps someone can comment on how likely
> this scenario is (one would hope that newer packages maintain backwards
> compatibility, or compat packages are provided... but this is not always
> the case).
> - Obviously for an initial install you can just ignore extras and add
> them later. But as soon as you add them you hit the upgrade problem
> above. A solution is are mentioned below, but this does not really help
> users without sufficient internet access speed or capacity. What do we
> do for these users? Will we need to provide CDs of extras?
>
> Some thoughts on solutions:
>
> - Increased prominence of network based installs/upgrades. This has been
> mentioned already. This means people don't need to download 2 CDs worth
> of data to then only use 300Mb from each.
> - Network installs can also pick up extras repositories (either
> automatically or allow the user to specify - I would suggest the
> former). This solves the upgrade problem above.
> - Change how anaconda works (DANGER WILL ROBINSON ;]) so that there is a
> base set of packages that gives you a barebones system (there has
> already been discussion about this), and each CD is more like a
> repository - ala Debian. Users on poor internet connections can get CDs
> (off friends/whatever) that contain the majority of packages they use,
> and use network means to fetch any odd ones from CDs they don't have. So
> if I have lots of packages from CDs "FC1" and "FC2" and "FE1" (Fedora
> Extras), but only 10 packages off "FC3" and "FE2" I can have the
> benefits of CDs for most of what I need, but without having to get a
> full set of them.
>
> I am not proposing most of this for FC2 (certainly as it seems extras
> will not be there). However, it is obviously going to need some thinking
> about. There is a lot more to think about than the above - I only seek
> to raise awareness that intrusive changes may need to be made, so the
> sooner it's discussed the better.
>
> If these issues have already been discussed and either dismissed or
> solutions found, I would be interested to know what's planned!
>
> Cheers
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